| 00:00.14 | cman1 | what program should i use to burn a avi file to dvd? |
| 00:00.38 | itchi | cman1: Do you want to invent a SuperDVD ? |
| 00:00.55 | martianixor | itchi: yes of course |
| 00:01.02 | cman1 | what is a super dvd? |
| 00:01.27 | itchi | cman1: Next future generation of SVCD i just invented |
| 00:01.47 | jim | the one after that is super duper |
| 00:02.06 | cman1 | i just want to burn a avi file to a dvd |
| 00:02.07 | itchi | cman1: Do you want to create a (S)VCD DVD ? |
| 00:02.17 | itchi | cman1: Well burn that as a data DVD then |
| 00:02.31 | cman1 | no and watch it on a dvd player. |
| 00:02.52 | cman1 | ? |
| 00:03.02 | itchi | martianixor: Try to create that link? I don't know if that would work honesty |
| 00:03.02 | cman1 | S dvd |
| 00:03.21 | martianixor | itchi: already trying, thanks for trying to help :-) |
| 00:03.23 | itchi | cman1: That would be great heh :-p |
| 00:03.37 | cman1 | what should i use except kd3 |
| 00:03.44 | cman1 | ? |
| 00:04.12 | itchi | cman1: K3B won't help you for this, neither any other burn tools |
| 00:04.41 | cman1 | i have an avi file and want to watch it on my dvd player |
| 00:04.54 | cman1 | i also have a blank dvd 4.8 gigs |
| 00:05.04 | cman1 | *4.7 |
| 00:05.06 | jcranmer | streuner: any more recommendations? |
| 00:05.21 | AwesomeGuy | if the firmware for WUSB54G is non-free, where do i buy it... |
| 00:05.38 | stew | AwesomeGuy: it doesn't cost any money, you can download it from a debian mirror |
| 00:05.39 | streuner | jcranmer: yes, read http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian |
| 00:05.55 | cman1 | itichi, what should i do? |
| 00:06.03 | AwesomeGuy | if it's not free, then that would mean it costs money |
| 00:06.04 | AwesomeGuy | ? |
| 00:06.16 | itchi | cman1: You need to convert that avi to a DVD format file |
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| 00:06.27 | cman1 | what can i ues to do that? |
| 00:06.30 | stew | AwesomeGuy: no, it is non-free meaning it doesn't meet the debian free software guidelines, /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 00:06.46 | AwesomeGuy | oh |
| 00:06.55 | AwesomeGuy | so debian has all the stuff to make it work in it? |
| 00:06.58 | cman1 | devede? |
| 00:07.20 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: what is `it' in this case? |
| 00:07.31 | stew | AwesomeGuy: technally no, since it isn't in debian. but debian provides it for you in the non-free repositories which are not officially part of debian |
| 00:07.34 | cman1 | itichi, what program should i use to convert avi to dvd? |
| 00:07.36 | AwesomeGuy | WUSB54G usb wireless adapter |
| 00:07.40 | AwesomeGuy | linksys |
| 00:07.52 | AwesomeGuy | linksys makes good wireless routers, why does dpkg say they don't |
| 00:08.00 | itchi | cman1: Seems that you are able to find the stuff yourself ;-) |
| 00:08.01 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: because they don't. |
| 00:08.10 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: google the model number and linux |
| 00:08.16 | AwesomeGuy | I did.. |
| 00:08.21 | Guerin | and what were your results? |
| 00:08.29 | AwesomeGuy | I tried installing the drivers and things but I couldn't get it to work |
| 00:08.39 | AwesomeGuy | is the firmware and drivers two seperate things |
| 00:08.47 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: you're not taking a very methodical approach about this, are you |
| 00:08.56 | AwesomeGuy | what? |
| 00:08.57 | Guerin | yes, the firmware and drivers are different |
| 00:09.02 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 00:09.23 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: try telling us exactly what went wrong, and why |
| 00:09.39 | Guerin | people in #debian are fairly intolerant of vagueness |
| 00:10.06 | stew | AwesomeGuy: the driver is software that runs in your kernel. firmware is software which is downloaded and used by the card itself |
| 00:10.17 | jcranmer | streuner: none of that is helping |
| 00:10.44 | streuner | jcranmer: damn, you read pretty fast :-) |
| 00:10.55 | jcranmer | (because I tried most of that before) |
| 00:11.23 | streuner | jcranmer: try the madwifi-ng package then |
| 00:11.24 | AwesomeGuy | doesn't the thing already have the firmware in it? |
| 00:11.35 | Guerin | yes and no |
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| 00:11.44 | AwesomeGuy | it works with windows, just not linux |
| 00:11.52 | streuner | jcranmer: or, alternativly, just use ndiswrapper |
| 00:11.53 | AwesomeGuy | or I don't know how to make linux recognize it |
| 00:11.54 | stew | AwesomeGuy: no, it gets uploaded everytime you load the driver |
| 00:12.00 | Guerin | suffice to say that if the driver needs an additional, downloadable firmware, you'd best supply it |
| 00:12.01 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 00:12.04 | izzyb | k, I feel stupid having to ask this question, but I'm sure someone here can give me the answer |
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| 00:12.07 | AwesomeGuy | so do I need special firmware for linux |
| 00:12.17 | stew | AwesomeGuy: no, it uses the same firmware |
| 00:12.19 | jcranmer | streuner: E: Couldn't find package madwifi-ng |
| 00:12.27 | izzyb | if you add a user to a group, does it not work until after you log out? |
| 00:12.30 | izzyb | and back in? |
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| 00:12.38 | stew | izzyb: yes |
| 00:12.43 | Guerin | izzyb: yes. Or you can use newgrp(1) |
| 00:12.45 | izzyb | is there a way around this? |
| 00:12.48 | cman1 | tj, you there? |
| 00:12.55 | streuner | !info madwifi-source |
| 00:12.59 | izzyb | newgrp... hmm, me reads man |
| 00:13.04 | AwesomeGuy | ok, so what do I need except the drivers I got |
| 00:13.07 | Guerin | !beer izzyb |
| 00:13.07 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for izzyb |
| 00:13.12 | AwesomeGuy | do I extract the drivers into a special place |
| 00:13.24 | izzyb | hehe :) |
| 00:13.25 | dpkg | madwifi-source: (source for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.4~rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3480 kB, Installed size: 3536 kB |
| 00:13.29 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: the firmware. And the drivers likely need to be built for your kernel. It might help if you told us what drivers you're using. |
| 00:13.48 | gordboy | <gordboy> Amerikuhs_Armee: apart from the non-functional wireless for ralink chips, the hastily bodged new kernel a week after release, a er ... _fragile_ kde setup, broken .mo translations and a host of other minor glitches, i'd say ubuntu really rocks |
| 00:13.50 | streuner | jcranmer: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 00:13.53 | AwesomeGuy | http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html |
| 00:13.55 | AwesomeGuy | 2500 |
| 00:14.04 | martianixor | itchi: what're the permissions on the cdrw device link? |
| 00:14.05 | AwesomeGuy | the forum link i found sayd to use 2500 |
| 00:14.05 | Guerin | gordboy: banning is your friend |
| 00:14.11 | AwesomeGuy | http://forums.driverguide.com/showthread.php?t=23488 |
| 00:14.21 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: ah, I know it well. Is it a udb adaptor? |
| 00:14.22 | martianixor | itchi: owner group? |
| 00:14.25 | Guerin | err, USB |
| 00:14.25 | stew | gordboy: please keep it on-topic |
| 00:14.29 | AwesomeGuy | yes |
| 00:14.31 | AwesomeGuy | USB |
| 00:14.33 | itchi | martianixor: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-05-03 17:47 /dev/cdrw -> hda |
| 00:14.37 | stew | AwesomeGuy: why would you want to download the driver from there instead of debian? |
| 00:14.39 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: then it's not a 2500 - the 2500 is PCI only |
| 00:14.44 | AwesomeGuy | .. |
| 00:14.58 | AwesomeGuy | how do i download it from debian |
| 00:15.02 | martianixor | itchi: mine is lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-05-04 00:29 /dev/cdrw1 -> hdc |
| 00:15.11 | gordboy | stew: sorry guv, i couldn't resist it |
| 00:15.17 | stew | AwesomeGuy: /msg dpkg rt2x00 |
| 00:15.23 | AwesomeGuy | i was told to use google to get the driver |
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| 00:15.29 | jcranmer | streuner: same error message, no madwifi-ng |
| 00:15.35 | jcranmer | and yes, I have non-free |
| 00:15.43 | jcranmer | (testing, if it helps) |
| 00:15.49 | izzyb | Guerin, Awesome! thanks :) |
| 00:15.54 | itchi | martianixor: I'm running on sata RAID0, that's why i got hda for that burner |
| 00:15.55 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: you need to find the device id of the thing and match it to a driver using google, then install that driver. The problem with vendors is that they use different chipsets in the same model of wifi device. I suspect yours is either a 2570 or a rt73 |
| 00:15.57 | streuner | jcranmer: madwifi-source, madwifi-ng is the real name... |
| 00:16.02 | Guerin | izzyb: welcome. |
| 00:16.09 | streuner | !info madwifi-source testing |
| 00:16.15 | AwesomeGuy | I'll try rt17 |
| 00:16.25 | izzyb | the silly things I still don't know after years of playing with linux ;) |
| 00:16.32 | martianixor | itchi: yeah I understand, I'm just wondering what else could be the problem, if it's not about permissions |
| 00:16.35 | martianixor | !! |
| 00:16.35 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 00:16.37 | jcranmer | yes, I have madwifi-source |
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| 00:16.43 | streuner | good |
| 00:16.44 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: use lsusb to determine what device id it is (looks like xxxx:xxxx) and google that |
| 00:16.44 | dpkg | madwifi-source: (source for the Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.4~rc2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 3480 kB, Installed size: 3536 kB |
| 00:16.44 | martianixor | oh ... sorry :S |
| 00:16.53 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 00:16.55 | itchi | martianixor: What says dmesg about that driver? |
| 00:16.58 | AwesomeGuy | I have to reboot into debian now |
| 00:17.05 | itchi | martianixor: Which programs did you try? |
| 00:17.06 | debian | how can i get grub to read my windows partition from sda4... not having much luck |
| 00:17.15 | martianixor | itchi: 1 min I'll grep it |
| 00:17.35 | martianixor | itchi: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
| 00:17.37 | martianixor | heh |
| 00:17.45 | itchi | martianixor: grep will be bad for this, like we don't know what to look for |
| 00:17.46 | jim | debian: what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 00:18.09 | debian | get grub to detect windows |
| 00:18.12 | debian | so i can boot it |
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| 00:18.44 | black_13 | is there a what to speed up the creation a squashfs file system |
| 00:18.49 | debian | windows is on sda4 |
| 00:18.59 | jim | what is grub calling sda? |
| 00:19.04 | Guerin | !htfswk black_13 |
| 00:19.04 | dpkg | black_13: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 00:19.35 | debian | the windows part isnt even there |
| 00:19.39 | martianixor | itchi: wow, I've just found out that my cdrw is hdd according to dmesg |
| 00:19.44 | martianixor | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.47 | debian | it didnt detect my windows partition on installation |
| 00:19.57 | Guerin | debian: vista? |
| 00:19.57 | tolecnal | Anyone in here set up user accounts that gives the user that logs in a shell script/menu instead of actual shell access and know how this is set up? And has any guides/references for this? |
| 00:20.03 | debian | XP |
| 00:20.04 | black_13 | Guerin, what you just directly curse me instead of using third party |
| 00:20.13 | Guerin | black_13: CBA |
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| 00:20.26 | martianixor | I mean not hdc |
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| 00:20.55 | martianixor | itchi: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2008-05-04 00:29 /dev/hdd |
| 00:21.05 | black_13 | Guerin, you could have just said "i dont know" or this is the wrong form |
| 00:21.08 | jim | debian: what is grub calling sda? |
| 00:21.18 | jcranmer | streuner: anything else? |
| 00:21.20 | Guerin | black_13: yes, I could have. But it wouldn't have had the same effect. |
| 00:21.28 | itchi | martianixor: Change maybe the /dev/cdrw link |
| 00:21.34 | izzyb | is there a link that explains the different debian release names? |
| 00:21.41 | debian | (hd0,0) |
| 00:21.49 | martianixor | itchi: how should those link be made in the first place? |
| 00:21.51 | black_13 | you mean showing that you lack manners |
| 00:21.56 | Guerin | izzyb: debian.org/releases |
| 00:22.00 | jim | so hd0 |
| 00:22.11 | intheboat | sorry just a newbies question : i need a terminal web browser for debian etch |
| 00:22.13 | jim | maybe it's hd0,4 |
| 00:22.17 | Guerin | black_13: I'd rather be rude than stupid. |
| 00:22.17 | izzyb | Guerin, thanks :) |
| 00:22.25 | streuner | iinthe: links, lynx |
| 00:22.28 | Gorbulas | intheboat: links2 |
| 00:22.31 | martianixor | itchi: I mean it's not done manually unless I'm troubleshooting a problem like now, correct? |
| 00:22.33 | intheboat | ok thanks |
| 00:22.39 | intheboat | for all |
| 00:22.41 | jcranmer | intheboat: elinks or the like |
| 00:22.46 | stew | black_13: Guerin: drop it |
| 00:22.47 | intheboat | color ? |
| 00:22.48 | debian | jim: (hd0,0) |
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| 00:22.59 | jim | that's your first partition |
| 00:23.00 | black_13 | stew fair enoughh |
| 00:23.03 | jim | not your fourth |
| 00:23.11 | Gorbulas | links2 has colors |
| 00:23.26 | debian | jim that's all thats in the menu.lst |
| 00:23.40 | jim | what's in devices.txt about sda |
| 00:23.40 | itchi | martianixor: The link should be created automagically. According to my ls -lh /dev/cdrw, this link was created when i booted |
| 00:23.44 | Gorbulas | on some distributions(I haven't checked on Debian) you can use the fromebuffer console for graphics in links2 |
| 00:23.55 | streuner | jcranmer: no, we told you everything you need, it should work now. |
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| 00:24.12 | AwesomeGuy | I didn't get the drivers by googleing it |
| 00:24.23 | AwesomeGuy | 13b1:000d |
| 00:24.35 | intheboat | thanks gorbulas jcranner ....and alll |
| 00:24.37 | AwesomeGuy | maybe I wasn't looking right but I couldn't find them |
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| 00:24.58 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: it's not easy. I did this a few months ago, though, should be doable. |
| 00:25.07 | AwesomeGuy | can you give me the link you used |
| 00:26.02 | martianixor | itchi: yup now I've deleted all CD drives links and recreated them cdrom -> /dev/hdc also cdrw -> /dev/hdd just like dmesg told me |
| 00:26.11 | martianixor | itchi: now re-trying to burning |
| 00:26.26 | martianixor | s/burning/burn/ |
| 00:27.55 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: google suggests this device is powered by rt2570 |
| 00:29.05 | AwesomeGuy | why do I have to compile everything myself.. |
| 00:29.26 | AwesomeGuy | I tried compileing some of the things in it a while ago and it just have me a bunch of errors |
| 00:29.29 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: because you insist on using cheap wireless devices instead of well-supported hardware |
| 00:29.37 | AwesomeGuy | ... |
| 00:29.41 | AwesomeGuy | It's not mine |
| 00:29.45 | AwesomeGuy | I'm at my friends house |
| 00:29.46 | jim | better question: why am I lucky enough to be able to compile everything myself if I need to |
| 00:29.48 | Guerin | that said, ralink are about the best of a bad bunch of wireless gear |
| 00:29.53 | AwesomeGuy | it's not cheap, it works fine |
| 00:30.20 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: dude, I bought one - it was cheap. |
| 00:30.26 | AwesomeGuy | and the case is under the desk, so if it was a card it would get no signal because it's blocked all around it |
| 00:30.34 | martianixor | itchi: it was a miserable failure ..., I'll try something and brb |
| 00:30.37 | Guerin | !rt2570 |
| 00:30.37 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. |
| 00:31.12 | AwesomeGuy | so does that say how to make it work |
| 00:31.20 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: the first thing you should do is plug the machine in to wired ethernet so you can use apt. Until then it's going to be a hell of a miserable time. |
| 00:31.32 | AwesomeGuy | I can't |
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| 00:31.38 | Guerin | why not? |
| 00:31.54 | AwesomeGuy | the whole computer is in this room, and the modem itself is an another |
| 00:32.01 | Guerin | move one or the other |
| 00:32.20 | AwesomeGuy | I've noticed apt-get works with the debian CD |
| 00:32.37 | jim | yes it does |
| 00:32.41 | AwesomeGuy | just what do I need to apt-get |
| 00:33.03 | jim | build-essential for one, module-assistant, |
| 00:33.16 | jim | headers that go with your kernel |
| 00:33.21 | jim | and the driver source |
| 00:33.28 | AwesomeGuy | why are the dev's so lazy they can't compile it themselvs and supload it.. |
| 00:33.56 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: module-assistant, build-essential, headers for your current kernel, wireless-tools and rt2570-source |
| 00:33.57 | jim | to give YOU a chance to learn how. |
| 00:34.14 | jim | oh, so I missed one :) |
| 00:34.14 | AwesomeGuy | wich is a waste of my time |
| 00:34.22 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: it's not that - it's that it needs to be built per-kernel and it causes problems in some cases |
| 00:34.29 | AwesomeGuy | oh |
| 00:34.31 | jcranmer | streuner: believe it or not, for some reason, dmesg is still spewing out the same error |
| 00:34.36 | jcranmer | wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3) |
| 00:34.41 | jim | oh, so? why are you using linux when you know you're going to have to EXPEND EFFORT? |
| 00:34.41 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: and module-assistant was built for precisely that reason. |
| 00:35.04 | Guerin | module-assistant does it all automagically IF you have internet (or all the packages available locally) |
| 00:35.09 | streuner | jcranmer: could be a bug in kernel (driver) |
| 00:35.13 | jcranmer | :-/ |
| 00:35.18 | dondelelcaro | jcranmer: generally you get that error if there's something wrong with the madwifi card, you've got the wrong firmware, or something else is wedged. |
| 00:35.25 | streuner | jcranmer: ok, just use the source (madwifi) then |
| 00:35.25 | Guerin | so I recommend running an ethernet cable to your modem for the time being |
| 00:35.48 | poseidon | How can I upgrade from python 2.4 to python 2.5 |
| 00:35.50 | jim | AwesomeGuy: I tend to get triggered when you talk about your time being wasted, as if your time is any more valuable than (say) the person helping you |
| 00:36.09 | streuner | jcranmer: keep in mind, you have to make sure, the kernel-module doesn't load at boot-time then... |
| 00:36.14 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: follow this howto: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_rt2500_Howto - but use rt2570-source instead of rt2500-source |
| 00:36.24 | AwesomeGuy | I already have this driver thing full of source files that won't compile |
| 00:36.25 | dondelelcaro | poseidon: just install the python2.5 package (or just python in unstable) |
| 00:36.27 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 00:37.14 | Guerin | is avoiding housework |
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| 00:37.30 | jim | knowing C and knowing how the parts of the compiler break down is a plus in this process... not absolutely necessary, but it |
| 00:37.32 | streuner | jcranmer: or, as we told you before, just use as a first start ndiswrapper |
| 00:37.36 | jim | is handy |
| 00:38.00 | jcranmer | my experience with ndiswrapper has not been good... |
| 00:38.33 | martianixor | itchi: I've deleted the links under /dev which are related to CD drives mounted in my computer, then rebooted |
| 00:38.36 | streuner | its crap, but sometimes it works, when there is no other solution |
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| 00:39.04 | martianixor | itchi: when I listed /dev again I've found them just exactly the same as before deleting them and rebooting, there's something wrong |
| 00:39.44 | martianixor | itchi: I have three enteries related to my CD drives |
| 00:40.46 | martianixor | itchi: cdrom -> hdd, cdrom1 -> hdc and cdrw1 -> hdc |
| 00:41.09 | Guerin | there's always a better solution than ndiscrapper - buying a supported card |
| 00:41.23 | martianixor | itchi: dmesg told me that hdd is my burner and hdc is the ordinary cdrom drive |
| 00:41.23 | streuner | laptop... |
| 00:41.34 | Guerin | streuner: s/card/laptop/ ;) |
| 00:41.42 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:42.32 | martianixor | itchi: I'm not sure what would be the reason they're created that way at boot time |
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| 00:43.29 | martianixor | itchi: but thanks anyway, at least now I have a wider view of the problem |
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| 00:43.59 | AwesomeGuy | can I just use the windows drivers for the usb thing with ndiswrapper |
| 00:44.05 | AwesomeGuy | that sounds alot easier |
| 00:44.11 | Guerin | it's not |
| 00:44.13 | akt | having problem installing unstable by using debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 00:44.21 | Guerin | just ask jcranmer |
| 00:44.38 | Guerin | akt: use a stable installer, then upgrade |
| 00:44.40 | jcranmer | especially when ndiswrapper updates |
| 00:44.47 | AwesomeGuy | how do i change the permissions of a folder |
| 00:44.50 | Guerin | akt: if you need newer hardware support /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 00:45.03 | AwesomeGuy | everything I make with root always ends up beingo nly accesable with root |
| 00:45.06 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: info coreutils chmod |
| 00:45.15 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: solution: don't dfo things as root |
| 00:45.22 | Guerin | !grounding |
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| 00:45.22 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 00:45.40 | akt | the error I'm having is "Can't locate Hash/Util.pm In "@INC" |
| 00:45.48 | AwesomeGuy | why can't it just let you log in with root normally, instead of only allowing you to do it with a terminal window |
| 00:45.54 | stew | akt: probably becuaes of the perl transition |
| 00:45.56 | AwesomeGuy | can I change that |
| 00:46.03 | AwesomeGuy | it would make everything way easier |
| 00:46.11 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: depends |
| 00:46.43 | akt | installing Lenny also didn't work for me |
| 00:46.52 | Guerin | akt: install etch. |
| 00:46.58 | Guerin | iut's the only one likely to work |
| 00:48.52 | akt | Guerin: yes I suppose I should. but surprized to see test/unstable both don't go well. |
| 00:49.13 | akt | Guerin: Is this known probelm? |
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| 00:49.30 | Guerin | testing and unstable installers not working? Yes. It's normal. |
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| 00:50.45 | dondelelcaro | akt: in general you should install stable and upgrade to unstable, especially when unstable is undergoing transitions like this |
| 00:50.47 | stew | akt: the installer you are using is beta. you are trying to install unstable which is in the middle of a major perl transition |
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| 00:51.46 | akt | so it was especially a bad time to try to install testing/unstable this time, right? |
| 00:52.05 | akt | a few days ago, I had no problem installing. |
| 00:52.25 | akt | So I thought it should work as before. |
| 00:52.53 | Guerin | akt: things change daily. |
| 00:53.10 | akt | it seems I was just a lucky when I installed first time ;) |
| 00:53.49 | akt | Guerin: yes, as the name implys ;) |
| 00:54.01 | akt | Thanks for you help! |
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| 00:57.56 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: are you there? |
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| 01:00.48 | aum | hi - i just installed sid - in xorg the fonts are way too big - even 6pt is very big - how do i get normal font sizes? (my resolution is 1440x900) |
| 01:00.53 | jcranmer | I'm getting a new problem now |
| 01:01.02 | jcranmer | MadWifi: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3) |
| 01:01.21 | jcranmer | the docs say something involving a setpci -s **** SUBORDINATE_BUS=** |
| 01:01.34 | jcranmer | what should I be setting those two values to? |
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| 01:03.49 | stew | aum: what dpi is it? "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" would tell you |
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| 01:05.12 | aum | stew: 229x254 dpi |
| 01:05.25 | Gorbulas | that's really high |
| 01:05.32 | aum | how do i reduce it? |
| 01:05.40 | Gorbulas | values like 72 and 96 are common |
| 01:06.12 | aum | the trouble i'm having is that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg no longer allows setting screen/display configs, and xorgconf is not included in debian's xorg |
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| 01:06.27 | aum | is there any way to reduce the dpi? |
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| 01:06.53 | Gorbulas | Gnome has a way to set it in the font settings |
| 01:07.11 | Gorbulas | I don't know if that only applies to GTK applications |
| 01:07.19 | amphi | aum: you can set it in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc IIRC |
| 01:07.47 | stew | aum: "man xorg.conf" and search for DisplaySize |
| 01:08.15 | aum | ok - found the dpi setting in gnome - thx guys |
| 01:09.20 | Joelito | Hi guys, How do I disable or enabled the tray notifications of listen media player? |
| 01:09.58 | aum | has xorg configuration gone through some recent shake-up in debian? |
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| 01:13.02 | dondelelcaro | aum: some; the configuration is slowly but surely approaching the point where there we ship an empty xorg.conf |
| 01:13.20 | dondelelcaro | (since that's really the way it should have been done all along, anywya) |
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| 01:17.26 | frank_white | has anyone had any luck writing to NTFS partitions in debian? |
| 01:18.04 | jcranmer | raises his hand |
| 01:18.20 | dondelelcaro | !ntfsrw |
| 01:18.20 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 01:19.17 | frank_white | i can mount it fine, i have rw in my fstab but it just says Operation not permitted everytime I try to modify a file |
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| 01:21.54 | dondelelcaro | frank_white: see above; ask dpkg about ntfs-3g |
| 01:22.08 | frank_white | yep i think this is what i need, thanks |
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| 01:24.00 | factotum | anyone know if there is a xorg bug in etch dealing with nvidia pcie cards? I came across it at work today and now I cant find it. |
| 01:24.06 | frank_white | how reliable is it? is it the type of thing that isn't very reliable and I should probably convert that filesystem to vfat asap or is it relatively robust? |
| 01:25.08 | factotum | I have a pcie Nvidia GT 7300 that I cannot for the life of me get to work outside of the vesa driver |
| 01:25.50 | ix | factotum: ntfs-3g works like a charm for me. |
| 01:25.53 | ix | oops. |
| 01:26.05 | ix | that was supposed to go to frank_white. |
| 01:26.10 | factotum | hah, its alright |
| 01:26.15 | ix | :) |
| 01:27.16 | ix | never experienced any issue (except for the fuse shared writable mmap limitation, but that only bothers me when I'm using rtorrent anyway) |
| 01:27.56 | frank_white | sounds like worst case scenario the write fails but the paertition is left intact, |
| 01:29.43 | dondelelcaro | factotum: yeah, some of the newer nvidia cards do not work |
| 01:29.53 | dondelelcaro | factotum: you'll have to either use the nvidia driver, or a newer version of xorg. |
| 01:30.09 | dondelelcaro | ('course, for most normal things, the vesa driver works pretty well) |
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| 01:33.16 | factotum | i tried that once, I must have forgoten to install something needed because it could not find....err..kernel source or libraries or sometthing that I couldnt recall the location of |
| 01:34.22 | factotum | so I went back to the other solution trying to figure it out, good to know that there are issues though, thank you! |
| 01:34.46 | netdaemon | factotum, apt-get module-assistant |
| 01:34.53 | netdaemon | factotum, then m-a prepare |
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| 01:35.09 | netdaemon | that should grab everything you need to build kernel modules |
| 01:35.11 | factotum | yes, that |
| 01:35.20 | sChaaa | night² |
| 01:35.24 | factotum | ill triple check it then |
| 01:36.04 | factotum | and yes, it is etch |
| 01:36.19 | factotum | im a stability nut i guess |
| 01:36.27 | netdaemon | no problem with that =) |
| 01:36.38 | factotum | exactly |
| 01:36.38 | netdaemon | i like for little things to break here and there...sid for me |
| 01:37.03 | netdaemon | none of the packages i have have broken though =\ |
| 01:37.18 | netdaemon | (yet) |
| 01:37.19 | factotum | so you sit idle...waiting? |
| 01:37.43 | netdaemon | nah |
| 01:37.44 | netdaemon | lol |
| 01:38.06 | factotum | if its not broken you can do a perfectly good job doing it yourself as well I suppose |
| 01:38.19 | netdaemon | indeed =) |
| 01:39.41 | factotum | thank you all for the help. Im going to get back to it, or beat it with a stick. One of the two. Thanks! |
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| 01:48.51 | jcranmer | trying to use ndiswrapper again gives me this tidbit: |
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| 01:48.57 | jcranmer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:50.09 | netdaemon | means you can use the madwifi drivers if you want |
| 01:50.52 | morghanphoenix | any recommendations for a lightweight im client? |
| 01:51.04 | netdaemon | morghanphoenix, bitlbee |
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| 01:51.40 | jcranmer | but madwifi seems to be breaking on me... |
| 01:52.05 | netdaemon | jcranmer, then ignore =) |
| 01:52.32 | jcranmer | ndiswrapper isn't working either |
| 01:53.45 | morghanphoenix | interesting little toy there netdaemon |
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| 01:54.11 | morghanphoenix | doesn't get much more lightweight than a daemon. |
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| 01:56.45 | NicolasLevy | Hi. I've got a laptop and until recently I used Ksynaptics. Now I found out it's discontinued. How do I replace the functionality it provided? |
| 01:57.16 | dondelelcaro | NicolasLevy: use the synaptics command line client |
| 01:57.40 | dondelelcaro | (as far as gui stuff goes, that may have been rolled into kde proper; I really don't know) |
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| 01:59.03 | NicolasLevy | dondelelcaro: thanks. It's a shame ksynaptics is no longer mantained |
| 01:59.15 | frank_white | when did XMMS stop being a standalone program and become some type of daemon client/server API? |
| 01:59.28 | dondelelcaro | frank_white: when it went from xmms to xmms2 |
| 01:59.44 | benjamindees | rides his bike with no handlebars |
| 01:59.44 | frank_white | what does everyone use now? |
| 01:59.46 | dondelelcaro | a client/server API is way more sane for a media player anyway |
| 02:00.50 | dondelelcaro | frank_white: I use mpd, but people use just about everything from audacious to yauap |
| 02:01.29 | benjamindees | xmms always had a pretty unusable gui imho |
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| 02:01.52 | garme | hi. |
| 02:02.20 | garme | Is someone getting problems between gmail and firefox 2.0.0.14? |
| 02:02.47 | Guerin | garme: why the hell would you ask us? |
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| 02:03.00 | garme | i'm sorry. |
| 02:03.10 | garme | I'm not so good with english. |
| 02:03.13 | garme | I'm from brazil. |
| 02:03.29 | Guerin | garme: ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org - your english is fine |
| 02:03.34 | garme | I'm having problems to access gmail by my firefox 2.0.0.14... :( |
| 02:03.52 | garme | ok. |
| 02:03.54 | garme | tnx. |
| 02:03.58 | Guerin | g'luck |
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| 02:06.12 | benjamindees | !info firefox |
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| 02:06.20 | benjamindees | !info iceweasel |
| 02:06.23 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7930 kB, Installed size: 24432 kB |
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| 02:14.18 | frank_white | so no recommendations about a solid mp3 player? |
| 02:14.27 | dondelelcaro | frank_white: I gave you two |
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| 02:14.32 | dondelelcaro | (and mentioned a third) |
| 02:14.38 | amphi | frank_white: I like quodlibet |
| 02:14.41 | jescis | Hello all \o |
| 02:14.42 | frank_white | sorry i lost it in the backlog im on a really small terminal |
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| 02:15.00 | amphi | frank_white: heh, 80x25 ? |
| 02:15.03 | dondelelcaro | frank_white: mpd, audacious, cplay, xmms2, quodlibit, etc. |
| 02:15.24 | amphi | moc |
| 02:15.29 | jescis | what are the best options for read/writing vfat partitions for me and root? |
| 02:15.35 | frank_white | yep |
| 02:15.38 | frank_white | thanks guys |
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| 02:17.26 | Guerin | jescis: sync |
| 02:17.39 | Guerin | hm, at least, I think it supports sync |
| 02:18.13 | jescis | Guerin, sync? no rw,user,...? |
| 02:19.47 | zineey | :-) |
| 02:19.58 | Guerin | jescis: those are down to how you want to mount the device. The only ones I'd specify other than sync (which shouldn't be used on flash media) are uid and umask |
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| 02:21.25 | jescis | well sync then. Because they're actual Hard Drive partitions. |
| 02:22.23 | Guerin | jescis: if you want people to have write access, /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 02:31.16 | jescis | Now is there a way to get ACPI configured(screen turnes black after a while)? |
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| 02:31.53 | jescis | I really need a newer book :/ |
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| 02:56.59 | pablo` | hi, with aptget upgrade python2.5 has been installed, however i cant remove because many apps which depend on python which was python2.4 but now is python2.5 (mm a bit confusing or bd redactated), how can i remove python2.4? |
| 02:58.25 | jescis | pablo`, there's always aptitude |
| 02:58.52 | pablo` | jescis: ?? ist more o less the same? |
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| 03:00.32 | jescis | apt-get is cli while aptitude is more graphical(menu driven) |
| 03:00.53 | Coweater | pablo`: wait until the packages have been tested and depend on python2.5 |
| 03:01.24 | pablo` | Coweater: ok |
| 03:01.33 | akt | is there any advantage to choose aptitude over apt-get when doing cli job? |
| 03:02.22 | Guerin | akt: yes. |
| 03:02.25 | akt | menu driven one is nice, but wondering how it differ from apt-get |
| 03:02.29 | Guerin | aptitude is better on the cli as well |
| 03:02.33 | Guerin | it's just better overall |
| 03:02.37 | Guerin | !why aptitude |
| 03:02.37 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 03:02.58 | benjamindees | akt, aptitude installs recommended packages by default, keeps track of packages you specifically request and which ones are just dependencies, and removes unneeded dependencies... yeah that |
| 03:03.10 | pablo` | how can i remove packages marked with rc and what does it means? |
| 03:03.26 | n3kr0 | i have my notebook hang after upgrading kernel 2.6.22 to 2.6.24 on lenny, booting with 2.6.22 have no problem, any idea? im usung amd64 |
| 03:03.30 | Guerin | pablo`: using purge. It means the package is removed, but config files remain |
| 03:03.59 | pablo` | Guerin: ok, thanks, how do i purge all rc? |
| 03:04.30 | akt | If so, why is still apt-get there? symlinking aptitude to apt-get wouldn't work? Just a thought. |
| 03:05.03 | dondelelcaro | pablo`: COLUMNS=2000 dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/{print $2}'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only purge; aptitude; or similar |
| 03:05.10 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:05.17 | dondelelcaro | akt: because it's not entirely a drop in replacement |
| 03:05.19 | Guerin | i just got though typing that mostly out |
| 03:05.36 | pablo` | dondelelcaro: and how do i purge a specific package? |
| 03:05.48 | dondelelcaro | pablo`: uh... it should be obvious from that example; man aptitude; if you don't get it. |
| 03:06.19 | Guerin | n3kr0: check BTS |
| 03:06.24 | pablo` | dondelelcaro: mm i dont have aptitude, do you know its equivalent apt? |
| 03:06.33 | Guerin | install aptitude |
| 03:06.39 | Guerin | apt is so 2005 |
| 03:06.42 | pablo` | Guerin: i like apt |
| 03:06.43 | n3kr0 | Guerin: what is BTS? |
| 03:06.56 | Guerin | pablo`: apt is deprecated; use aptitude |
| 03:07.07 | Guerin | it's mostly identical from a cli perspective |
| 03:07.14 | Guerin | ]nbugs.debian.org |
| 03:07.18 | Guerin | n3kr0: ^ |
| 03:07.31 | jescis | I use both aptitude and apt-get(not at the same time though ;) ). |
| 03:08.01 | pablo` | jescis: ok, do you know how to purge a removed package? |
| 03:08.17 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:08.23 | Guerin | !moron pablo` |
| 03:08.23 | dpkg | pablo`: You are moron #65 |
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| 03:08.56 | pablo` | !moro pablo` |
| 03:09.01 | pablo` | xD |
| 03:09.04 | jescis | lol XD |
| 03:09.53 | mr_flea | I have a LVM2 volume with a lost configuration. Is there a way to easily restore it or do I need to go through getting it from the backup it stores? |
| 03:10.11 | Guerin | hooray for lvm being crap |
| 03:11.54 | benjamindees | never uses lvm |
| 03:12.04 | Guerin | for that very reason |
| 03:12.17 | akt | lately I often see LVM powered backup technique especially for mysql |
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| 03:12.41 | benjamindees | I was pretty horrified when fedora made it default, which was quite a while ago |
| 03:12.48 | jescis | speaking of which... me neither ^^ |
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| 03:13.40 | Guerin | yeah, but hot-shot commercial-distro types looking for a point of difference routinely do stupid shit |
| 03:13.49 | Guerin | like suse making ricerfs the default for a while there |
| 03:13.57 | mr_flea | I actually lost the configuration due to a dead disk. It's really not LVM's fault. |
| 03:14.01 | akt | could you give me some disadvantage of lvm? |
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| 03:14.15 | Guerin | akt: the current fuckup you're in |
| 03:14.28 | Guerin | err, mr_flea is in |
| 03:14.40 | jescis | ext2/3 is good enough for me. |
| 03:14.40 | mr_flea | The file was lost. The volume is fine. |
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| 03:15.41 | benjamindees | akt, like I said since I never use it I have no experience, but it basically adds a layer of recursion for the small benefit of not having to do some arithmetic and resize partitions. |
| 03:15.53 | \amethyst | akt: dynamically grow block devices |
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| 03:16.35 | akt | I have some experiece with lvm actually but not on linux (was in Solaris or something) |
| 03:16.43 | \amethyst | akt: take snapshots (some FSs can do that themselves) |
| 03:16.47 | akt | speaking of that OS, lvm works just fine. |
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| 03:16.51 | Guerin | wouldn't that ve SVM ;) |
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| 03:17.07 | \amethyst | Guerin: for backup purposes---you want the filesystem not to be changing |
| 03:17.25 | Guerin | not really |
| 03:17.33 | akt | lately its popular to take snapshots with lvm so I thoguht it was a recommended way |
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| 03:17.40 | \amethyst | if you're backing up a database, you do |
| 03:17.46 | \amethyst | you want to be between transactions |
| 03:18.02 | \amethyst | especially if it's something like MySQL :) |
| 03:18.12 | Guerin | yeah, so you dump it and then restore it |
| 03:18.40 | akt | mysqldump is not so fast, sadly |
| 03:18.52 | akt | maybe off topic? :) |
| 03:21.05 | \amethyst | Guerin: you can actually get fs corruption in the image if you take a volume-level (as opposed to fs-level) backup of a changing fs |
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| 03:21.48 | Guerin | \amethyst: depends what sort of backup you're making |
| 03:21.52 | jescis | \amethyst, even on ext2/3? |
| 03:21.54 | \amethyst | since, e.g., a file's inodes might be backed up, then the file is deleted and those blocks assigned to another inode later on the disk |
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| 03:22.56 | jescis | never had issues with the ext2/3 FS |
| 03:24.22 | benjamindees | jescis, he's talking about backing up by doing something like dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.img on a mounted partition, which is true. |
| 03:24.44 | dondelelcaro | that's why you should remount ro in those cases |
| 03:24.51 | Guerin | right |
| 03:24.54 | dondelelcaro | (or use tar or rsync or similar) |
| 03:24.57 | Guerin | but I do backups using rsync |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | since I have neither space nor need to backup all of my everythings |
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| 03:25.25 | \amethyst | with rsync, you won't have filesystem inconsistencies, just (possibly) application inconsistency |
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| 03:25.38 | Guerin | in incredibly rare cases |
| 03:25.57 | \amethyst | like a database with multiple tables taking lots of writes |
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| 03:26.50 | Guerin | ... which you dump |
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| 03:27.02 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 03:27.19 | \amethyst | right, if you're backing up the db another way, you don't need to worry about inconsistencies in a block-level dump |
| 03:27.33 | \amethyst | since you're going to restore the DB right after you restore the filesystem |
| 03:28.35 | jescis | backs up by having another partition for his Files. So if the OS screwed up he can still haver his stuff. |
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| 03:29.49 | benjamindees | right, lvm is overkill for a desktop because you shouldn't have everything in one big filesystem anyways |
| 03:31.01 | mr_flea | Oh, hey, stupid me. vgscan restores configuration files... |
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| 03:33.04 | dondelelcaro | uh... the whole point of lvm is making it easy not to have everything in one big filesystem |
| 03:34.13 | jescis | dondelelcaro, until this discussion I never really heard of lvm. |
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| 03:35.42 | dondelelcaro | well, it's not like you have to use it; it has it's purposes, and they're quite useful. |
| 03:35.53 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, then, like I said, you're just adding points of failure for the benefit of not having to calculate partition sizes and resize partitions as necessary. |
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| 03:38.09 | jescis | Also, how am I to help people with something if I never used the thing they need help with? |
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| 03:42.51 | jescis | I'm moron #2 :( |
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| 03:43.29 | jescis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.29 | dpkg | jescis: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 03:45.20 | pablo | hi, is usful to have the iptables package installed? |
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| 03:46.10 | dondelelcaro | pablo: yes. |
| 03:46.19 | pablo | dondelelcaro: what for? |
| 03:46.32 | dondelelcaro | pablo: it's used to modulate the kernel iptables filters. |
| 03:47.06 | pablo | dondelelcaro: yes, but i did no configuration, should i have it anyway? |
| 03:47.28 | dondelelcaro | pablo: it won't hurt anything |
| 03:47.41 | dondelelcaro | pablo: if your machine is not otherwise protected by a firewall, you probably want it (and you may want to install things like fail2ban or similar) |
| 03:48.48 | pablo | dondelelcaro: does iptable comes with a default conf, or it is doing nothing right now to the system? |
| 03:48.57 | dondelelcaro | pablo: there's no default configuration |
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| 03:49.19 | dondelelcaro | pablo: all it is is an interface to the kernel's iptables configuration; nothing more. |
| 03:49.26 | pablo | dondelelcaro: so right now it is doing nothing? |
| 03:49.33 | dondelelcaro | pablo: most likely |
| 03:49.43 | dondelelcaro | (something you've got installed may be using it though; hard to say) |
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| 03:51.13 | pablo | dondelelcaro: mm like which apps could be using it? |
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| 04:00.10 | geleandre | Alguem pode me ajudar a montar um srv-de internet' |
| 04:00.33 | Guerin | !br |
| 04:00.33 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 04:04.27 | markybob | i wonder what he meant by "internet server" |
| 04:05.32 | firedemon | a server that exists on the Internet? |
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| 04:06.39 | pablo | hi, is it useful to use acpid if i dont have a battery? |
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| 04:06.46 | markybob | pablo yes |
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| 04:07.05 | pablo | markybob: what for? |
| 04:07.15 | markybob | pablo it controls your fans and possible cpu frequency |
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| 04:08.25 | firedemon | well whats the other purpose to regulate your fans and cpu freqency other than to save battery life |
| 04:08.37 | Guerin | noise |
| 04:08.38 | Guerin | heat |
| 04:08.46 | markybob | energy bills |
| 04:08.46 | firedemon | ah i suppose :| |
| 04:08.52 | Ryan52 | I have 2 chroots. How can I make a certain set of files accessable to both? |
| 04:08.56 | markybob | run 10 server and that's a lot of wasted energey |
| 04:08.59 | markybob | energy* |
| 04:09.22 | firedemon | i have 5 servers in my house i dont bitch about electricity anymore because i would be a hyprocrite lol |
| 04:09.22 | markybob | Ryan52 you mount bind |
| 04:10.02 | Ryan52 | and its okay to have something bind mounted in 2 places? |
| 04:10.14 | markybob | yes |
| 04:10.19 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 04:12.30 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 04:13.14 | jaggz- | does anyone know what happened to my mail which was sent on my server using /usr/sbin/sendmail PRIOR to exim4 being configured (and therefore not allowing sending to remote systems) |
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| 04:21.10 | streetbystander | Is there a package in debian testing that removes gnome totally if I apt-get remove it. I really don't care for having it on my machine but don't want to go through the bother of removing it one piece at a time. |
| 04:21.43 | markybob | kind of. /msg dpkg remove gnome |
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| 04:21.45 | Guerin | streetbystander: gnome-desktop-environment should do it |
| 04:22.04 | benjamindees | streetbystander, aptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment |
| 04:22.14 | streetbystander | Ah, nice, thanks. |
| 04:22.47 | jaggz- | how do I get these emails sent? /var/spool/exim4/input/ |
| 04:22.54 | streetbystander | Trying to keep it light after that hideous monster of k/ubuntu I just removed but not wanting to give up all the pretty repos and go back to slackware. |
| 04:23.12 | jaggz- | exim's running now but those mails are just sitting there |
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| 04:24.39 | streetbystander | recently found myself somewhat enamoured with fluxbox. |
| 04:24.58 | lastnode | streetbystander: gnome is a meta-package i think, and aptitude should remove it |
| 04:25.01 | lastnode | and all deps |
| 04:25.04 | lastnode | not sure what it is though |
| 04:25.07 | lastnode | gnome-core amybe? |
| 04:25.37 | streetbystander | Yeah, I see gnome-core installed on it, stuill running the initial netinst though. |
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| 04:26.12 | lastnode | if you are running netinst, you can build it from scratch, i dont think it brings in gnome automatically |
| 04:26.15 | streetbystander | I thought I deselected gnome, but I guess not watching the packages download and install |
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| 04:26.24 | lastnode | i see |
| 04:26.49 | streetbystander | And of course by the time I noticed all the gnome stuff it was over half installed. |
| 04:27.02 | lastnode | wipe, and do it again? :) |
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| 04:27.37 | streetbystander | Oh, by the way /tmp is where DVD copys are dropped isn't it? |
| 04:27.56 | lastnode | dvd copies? |
| 04:28.26 | streetbystander | disc copy temporary data, seems like /tmp should be the place. |
| 04:28.48 | lastnode | i dont get what you mean by disc copy |
| 04:28.50 | streetbystander | But I've seen stuff stuck wierd places before :) |
| 04:29.36 | streetbystander | The iso that a program rips and then burns to disc again, like k3b makes an iso and then burns the iso when you copy a disc. |
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| 04:30.34 | streetbystander | And the data fo video encoding, wanting to make sure I expanded the right partition. |
| 04:31.10 | streetbystander | I know one of them gets eaten through real fast when you encode video or copy discs. |
| 04:31.25 | markybob | k3b and most other programs include preferences to change where they store temp data to |
| 04:31.31 | streetbystander | Heh, should probably get off my wife's nick, eh? |
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| 04:40.16 | acehigh | anyone know much about the ati 1600 series cards and how to configure them in debian? |
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| 04:41.09 | jescis | acehigh, with a hammer? ;) |
| 04:41.13 | waldschatten | only that it's an ati, enough reason for me to not buy it. |
| 04:41.36 | acehigh | im asking for help not comments on how ati sucks |
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| 04:42.30 | waldschatten | I had an ati card, was still using vesa drivers on that computer, so no help from me. |
| 04:42.55 | Maliuta | acehigh: depends on what you want to do with it |
| 04:42.57 | jescis | same here |
| 04:43.29 | Maliuta | acehigh: I recently went away from the fglrx driver back to the standard radeon driver on my laptop with an ati in it |
| 04:43.59 | jescis | last ati card I had was an Ati Radeon 7000 |
| 04:44.06 | acehigh | I just want to do standard 3d |
| 04:44.13 | acehigh | direct rendering = yes |
| 04:44.15 | Maliuta | acehigh: other than that, it's pretty much the same way to do X either way ... just a couple of X modules different |
| 04:44.25 | acehigh | with at least a fps of around 100ish |
| 04:44.33 | Maliuta | acehigh: which driver? |
| 04:44.41 | acehigh | one that works :) |
| 04:44.44 | waldschatten | Well, the last nvidia driver I installed compiled the wrong kernel module through the script so I guess they can all screw up on occasion :P |
| 04:44.49 | acehigh | either one is fine by me |
| 04:45.05 | Maliuta | acehigh: but what is "works" ... do you want compiz/beryl? |
| 04:45.18 | acehigh | yea and quake |
| 04:45.29 | Maliuta | for the record, I hate ATI. I prefer my NVIDIAs |
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| 04:45.42 | Maliuta | acehigh: so don't use the fglrx driver |
| 04:45.47 | acehigh | I have a onboard nvidia |
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| 04:46.05 | jescis | is it a good one? |
| 04:46.14 | acehigh | dont know never configured it |
| 04:46.29 | acehigh | its vga not dvi |
| 04:46.33 | waldschatten | does compiz not screw with fullscreen opengl apps anymore? Last time I used fusion I had to write scripts to start all my games to replace it before starting teh game. |
| 04:46.36 | acehigh | my monitor is dvi |
| 04:47.02 | waldschatten | GeForce Go 7400 256MB on mine |
| 04:47.17 | acehigh | think mine is the 5 or 6 series |
| 04:47.27 | jescis | GeForce 5200 FX here |
| 04:47.45 | waldschatten | Well, actually it's an NVS120M, but seems to work better in linux where it goes by the chipset rather than what dell tells it to use. |
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| 04:48.11 | waldschatten | XP drivers for my card lag me out playing diablo2 |
| 04:48.22 | acehigh | Maliuta, so use the radeon driver? |
| 04:48.25 | waldschatten | the nix drivers play Dawn of War fine |
| 04:48.48 | acehigh | waldschatten, that blizz anyways :P |
| 04:49.04 | acehigh | I play hellgate which i enjoy |
| 04:49.11 | waldschatten | On Linux? |
| 04:49.13 | acehigh | yea |
| 04:49.19 | acehigh | well on ubuntu |
| 04:49.28 | acehigh | in wine |
| 04:49.30 | Maliuta | acehigh: yeah, http://www.pastebin.org/33677 is the xorg.conf on my laptop |
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| 04:50.03 | Maliuta | acehigh: that's debian/etch with compiz/beryl working |
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| 04:50.18 | waldschatten | I have wine 0.9.6, well, have nothing right now, doing a reinstall of actual debian after 8.04 on ubuntu started reminding me a bit too much of windows. |
| 04:50.21 | Maliuta | sorry, debian/unstable |
| 04:50.29 | acehigh | k so i need to put the entries only? |
| 04:50.55 | waldschatten | Any tricks to make hellgate play? |
| 04:51.04 | acehigh | I'm not for sure if the drivers are there as only thing ive loaded so far is xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 04:51.13 | acehigh | waldschatten, yea transgaming |
| 04:51.18 | Maliuta | acehigh: that will give you an idea of the modules you need to load in it, and the composite section |
| 04:51.29 | waldschatten | Ah, so cedega then |
| 04:51.31 | acehigh | k looking now |
| 04:51.34 | acehigh | waldschatten, yea |
| 04:51.41 | Maliuta | acehigh: that will have the radeon driver in it |
| 04:51.43 | acehigh | only thing that works |
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| 04:52.02 | waldschatten | Wierd how some things work fine on one and not on the other and then the other way around. |
| 04:52.17 | Maliuta | remember kids ... g4|\/|3r5 are l4m3r5 ;) |
| 04:52.32 | waldschatten | Had cedega users ask me how I managed to play something that just worked out of the box on wine. |
| 04:52.33 | Maliuta | acehigh: pastebin me your xorg.conf |
| 04:52.42 | acehigh | Maliuta, sec |
| 04:53.06 | waldschatten | heh, well, if it wasn't for games I'd still be running a 300MHz laptop |
| 04:53.13 | Maliuta | I _hate_ that phrase ... nothing "just works" it works for specific reasons |
| 04:53.49 | waldschatten | well, I'll leave the reason up to the devs :P |
| 04:54.03 | Maliuta | that pisses me off too |
| 04:54.30 | Maliuta | reminds me I need to finish that fix for the amd64 packages of acroreader |
| 04:55.13 | waldschatten | Well, someone needs a nice cup of tea and a comfy chair. |
| 04:55.25 | waldschatten | Relaxation is always best when pissed off. |
| 04:55.32 | Maliuta | have those ... still pisses me off |
| 04:55.37 | waldschatten | heh |
| 04:55.50 | Maliuta | "oh, I'll just leave that up to someone else" |
| 04:55.56 | Guerin | Maliuta: the only fix for arcobat reader is rm -rf |
| 04:55.57 | acehigh | Maliuta, http://pastebin.ca/1006680 |
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| 04:56.07 | Maliuta | acehigh: looking |
| 04:56.30 | waldschatten | Well, the extent of my knowledge so far is some bash, so mucking around in source for wine would be an exercise in futility, give it a few years and it may be different. |
| 04:56.39 | `mac` | could someone help me with this postfix.. was working.. but had some conflect .. not its sayin relay deny.. |
| 04:57.02 | Maliuta | acehigh: have you ever had a working X config on this machine? |
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| 04:57.06 | Guerin | `mac`: postfix is among the best-documented programs in the world |
| 04:57.14 | Guerin | i recommend you read its doc |
| 04:57.17 | Maliuta | postfix rocks |
| 04:57.23 | Guerin | specifically the bit about relaying |
| 04:57.30 | Maliuta | postfix+tls+ldap |
| 04:57.33 | `mac` | dude you think i don't know that? |
| 04:58.07 | waldschatten | Well, smoke break time, the installation of debian is almost finished. |
| 04:58.09 | Guerin | `mac`: if you have a more specific question, ask it - but until then I'm going to presume abject stupidity |
| 04:58.28 | Guerin | `mac`: and try asking #postfix too - they know a great deal more about it than we do |
| 04:58.34 | `mac` | forget even i ask don't start talking shit 2 me dude |
| 04:58.46 | meff | lol |
| 04:58.46 | `mac` | i know that dumb stupid chan u know |
| 04:58.51 | Guerin | good |
| 04:58.56 | Guerin | off you go |
| 04:59.06 | `mac` | if you cant help shut up |
| 04:59.14 | meff | haha |
| 04:59.18 | `mac` | hehe |
| 04:59.18 | Maliuta | acehigh: I think you should start with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:59.21 | meff | props up a lawn chair |
| 04:59.27 | cafuego | Yes, abusing people will make them want to help you MORE. |
| 04:59.37 | `mac` | picked himself from the floor on meff chair statment |
| 04:59.41 | acehigh | Maliuta, k doing that now |
| 05:00.04 | Maliuta | acehigh: that should at least fill in some blanks for you |
| 05:00.22 | `mac` | well, let me format stupid script is conflecting i know i fixed it on bsd why cant i fix it on debian |
| 05:00.31 | cafuego | I see, abusing people on #postfix too. All class. |
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| 05:01.12 | cafuego | And then you wonder why you get ignored. |
| 05:01.27 | `mac` | i jsut cant get it in my head if i can help i help .. does ppl in postfix are weirdos for real they just talk shit , |
| 05:01.32 | Maliuta | acehigh: _exactly_ what is the setup? card type[s]? monitor[s]? I can write you an xorg.conf from scratch with the right info. |
| 05:01.33 | Guerin | cafuego: OMG UR 2 MEAN |
| 05:01.41 | `mac` | this is good |
| 05:01.44 | `mac` | very nice dude |
| 05:01.46 | `mac` | keep talkin |
| 05:01.50 | `mac` | wasting more of my time |
| 05:01.53 | `mac` | bla |
| 05:01.54 | `mac` | bye |
| 05:01.56 | Maliuta | acehigh: It also depends on how you want it setup |
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| 05:01.59 | cafuego | Guerin: don't make me kimchi you |
| 05:02.01 | meff | yay! |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | !customer |
| 05:02.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 05:02.19 | meff | nice job guys |
| 05:02.20 | mx | cananyone hlp me with an apache isue?i know this is not apache and all |
| 05:02.39 | waldschatten | hmm, now what would someone who talks like that in IRC need postfix for? |
| 05:02.47 | meff | lol |
| 05:02.53 | Maliuta | waldschatten: spamming |
| 05:02.57 | acehigh | I have a ati 1600 pro with a sony sdm monitor |
| 05:02.57 | Guerin | waldschatten: that's about the average standard of a SYsadmin in 2008, from what I can tell |
| 05:03.03 | Guerin | waldschatten: perhaps a bit above average |
| 05:03.07 | cafuego | waldschatten: Dunno.. maybe someone should have told him debian uses exim ;-) |
| 05:03.20 | waldschatten | I wouldn;t want him to ahve a yahoo mail account. |
| 05:03.22 | cafuego | mx: If you state the issue, perhaps. |
| 05:03.23 | Maliuta | cafuego: maybe _your_ debian uses exim |
| 05:03.35 | Maliuta | cafuego: _mine_ uses postfix :) |
| 05:03.50 | mx | cafuego just wondering why this isnt owrking http://pastebin.ca/1006678 |
| 05:03.52 | cafuego | Maliuta: Normally it does, until my first login. Then it starts using postfix <heh> |
| 05:03.54 | mx | *working |
| 05:04.06 | waldschatten | debian uses whatever you want it to, and fairly easily, that's why I'm coming back to it. |
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| 05:04.21 | Maliuta | I try to kill it before then |
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| 05:04.43 | acehigh | Maliuta, basically I would like to use fluxbox with compiz and also have 3d for gaming |
| 05:05.01 | acehigh | outside of that really dont care what else :) |
| 05:05.08 | Maliuta | I build custom packages of the important things too, I prefer my compile options to the arbitrary ones most mainstream packagers do |
| 05:05.13 | waldschatten | I wish I had've recorded my MS tech support call that ended with "I fixed it!" ts: "how?" me: "put a debian disc in and rebooted." *click* |
| 05:05.16 | Ryan52 | So earlier I asked how I can have a certain group of files available in 2 chroots. Somebody said bind mounting. The problem is that I need all of the files in /chroot1/etc/openvpn and I need some of them in /chroot2/etc/openvpn. (the chroots serve on different networks). and they need a separate server.conf. So how can I do this? |
| 05:05.24 | Maliuta | acehigh: multi-head setup? |
| 05:05.28 | acehigh | single |
| 05:05.37 | meff | as a general spam solution, is spamassassin+postfix still the best idea or is there something else out now? |
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| 05:05.42 | Maliuta | acehigh: old-skool ;P |
| 05:05.52 | acehigh | called being broke |
| 05:05.53 | cafuego | mx: Serve hotlink.gif if someone doesn't request a thumbnail AND doesn't send a referrer which includes mysite.com ? |
| 05:05.59 | acehigh | but yea old school |
| 05:06.15 | mx | yes |
| 05:06.18 | Maliuta | acehigh: can you give me an "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 05:06.23 | acehigh | ive been around since the c64 days |
| 05:06.46 | mx | in christian words, i wnat to allow hotlinking files with the suffix _thumb only |
| 05:06.59 | cafuego | mx: the second http_referer regex looks bad |
| 05:07.02 | Maliuta | acehigh: I bought my first 2 lcd's while a leukaemia patient on disability support pension |
| 05:07.05 | waldschatten | I miss my cyrix chip, wish they still made em. |
| 05:07.10 | Maliuta | acehigh: heads are cheap :) |
| 05:07.42 | acehigh | dangit xchat wont paste |
| 05:07.46 | Maliuta | ahhh, nostalgia ... cyrix 5x86 100, faster than a p90 |
| 05:07.52 | mx | what wron g with it? |
| 05:08.02 | jescis | I like my Apple ][. To bad I can't house a PDP-11/20 :/ |
| 05:08.09 | Maliuta | acehigh: it should be a single line, try a middle click |
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| 05:08.26 | cafuego | mx: What is it supposed to match? |
| 05:08.31 | arussel | using kde, I can switch keyboard layout without pb (just clicking an applet). How can I have the same functionnality without using kde ? |
| 05:08.49 | waldschatten | If I had the money my house would be lined with old systems. |
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| 05:09.05 | frank_white | waldschatten: its not all its cracked up to be |
| 05:09.20 | mx | cafuego i have an image folder with large image and thumb images, i jsut dont want users to hotlink large images, only thumbs |
| 05:09.36 | frank_white | I used to have 40+ systems none of which were PCs, my electricity bill was out of control |
| 05:09.39 | and][ng | hello |
| 05:09.47 | acehigh | 02:00.0 VGA compatiblecontroller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 Radeon X1600 |
| 05:09.48 | mx | all thumb files have a suffix of _thumb |
| 05:10.02 | jescis | A super computer by way of old computers hooked up together. |
| 05:10.08 | Maliuta | acehigh: got it, give me a sec |
| 05:10.09 | frank_white | id get rid of them all if i could have one 8x3.2ghz xeon Mac Pro with 8gb of RAM |
| 05:10.12 | acehigh | Maliuta, had to type it hehe |
| 05:10.13 | cafuego | mx: So if the referrer does not include mysite.com and the request_uri doesn't include _thumb, rewrite |
| 05:10.46 | acehigh | Maliuta, just to give ya how old school i am I still use eterm for the see through ability |
| 05:10.48 | waldschatten | I don't even want one as new as I have, keep getting paranoid about things like reports of dell shipping laptops with hardware keyloggers in them. |
| 05:10.49 | acehigh | :) |
| 05:11.06 | mx | cafuego how cani put that n apache language? |
| 05:11.40 | waldschatten | I keep looking at mine wondering what's inside it that I don't know about and who is watching what I type. |
| 05:11.41 | acehigh | waldschatten, now why would dell ship keyloggers in thier laptops |
| 05:11.52 | Maliuta | acehigh: I don't use any eye candy shite at all .... fullscreen xterm inside xfce with screen sessions |
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| 05:12.14 | frank_white | i think you overestimate your importance to the gov't :) |
| 05:12.22 | acehigh | Maliuta, thats my only eye candy as I use fluxbox otherwise |
| 05:12.24 | waldschatten | I think it's supposed to be a tech support thing. |
| 05:12.25 | cafuego | RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ! .*mysite\.com » RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} .*\.(jpe?g|gif|jpg)$ » RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ! .*_thumb » RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://mysite.com/hotlink.gif [L] |
| 05:12.35 | frank_white | "i wonder what he's shopping for online tonight!? put our best men on it!" |
| 05:12.51 | jescis | lol |
| 05:12.54 | cafuego | mx: So if the referrer does not include mysite.com AND the rquest is for a jpeg or gif AND the request_uri doesn't include _thumb, rewrite |
| 05:13.06 | mx | cafuego hm i get starnge charcatrs, can u please post it here www.pastebin.ca |
| 05:13.15 | waldschatten | making records of porn viewing habbits |
| 05:13.17 | waldschatten | :P |
| 05:13.22 | cafuego | mx: The strange chars are newlines |
| 05:13.23 | mx | chegg |
| 05:13.24 | acehigh | frank_white, trust me uncle sam has alot more important things to do that to watch someone chatting on irc |
| 05:13.28 | mx | ok |
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| 05:13.43 | cafuego | mx: ... then, as far as I know, it ought to work. |
| 05:13.43 | acehigh | like kicking out our vets for medical after spending 12 years in |
| 05:13.44 | Maliuta | acehigh: got some specs on your monitor? even just the resolution it can do would help |
| 05:13.52 | mx | lets try it |
| 05:13.58 | acehigh | rez is 1280x1024 |
| 05:14.07 | acehigh | 60hz |
| 05:14.14 | and][ng | acehigh: 17"? |
| 05:14.18 | mx | cafuego |
| 05:14.19 | Maliuta | acehigh: hoirzontal sync and vert refresh ranges would be good too |
| 05:14.21 | waldschatten | Heh, they use bots for all that, hunting for keywords. |
| 05:14.24 | frank_white | yeah, like stopping those no-good kids and their mp3 sharing |
| 05:14.27 | acehigh | dont know those |
| 05:14.36 | Ryan52 | I have a multipurpose server that is running mailman and postfix (amount other things). I moved the mailman/postfix off of it. I want to make it so postfix and mailman won't start when the system starts. How do I do that? I cant remove the packages because if something goes wrong we need to switch back quick. |
| 05:14.36 | acehigh | got a command i can run to get it? |
| 05:14.43 | mx | .*_thumb <- is tat supposed to be like an extension? |
| 05:14.46 | and][ng | Maliuta: 1280x1024@60 should do 75khz horz and |
| 05:15.09 | and][ng | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.22 | cafuego | mx: No, that matches "_thumb" in the file path |
| 05:15.23 | mx | file are lke this filename_thumb*.jpg|gif|png |
| 05:15.23 | Ryan52 | nvm. |
| 05:15.28 | mx | ah ok |
| 05:15.32 | acehigh | Ryan52, could state in the rc to run no |
| 05:15.49 | acehigh | but then again im thinking free hehe |
| 05:16.00 | acehigh | i use unix to much at work |
| 05:16.03 | acehigh | :( |
| 05:16.15 | cafuego | is doing a tricky server migration, so goes idle |
| 05:16.21 | acehigh | we need more graphical linux based systems |
| 05:16.35 | frank_white | acehigh: why? |
| 05:16.39 | waldschatten | bah |
| 05:16.49 | acehigh | frank_white, to make it fun to learn |
| 05:16.58 | jescis | acehigh, what unix? AIX? or something? |
| 05:17.03 | acehigh | freebsd |
| 05:17.07 | acehigh | openbsd |
| 05:17.10 | frank_white | as a network security officer, i love your logic |
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| 05:17.52 | mx | cafuego how does this look? http://pastebin.ca/1006695 |
| 05:18.00 | cafuego | in what way are either freebsd or openbsd graphical or linux based? |
| 05:18.13 | acehigh | they are not |
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| 05:18.21 | acehigh | my point |
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| 05:18.52 | cafuego | mx: updated: http://pastebin.ca/1006700 |
| 05:18.56 | mx | thanks |
| 05:18.59 | qbert_ | hrm |
| 05:19.03 | frank_white | cafuego: no he is just saying that he wants to do the system administration from KDE with one of those web-based all-in-one system config tools |
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| 05:19.15 | frank_white | security ;-) |
| 05:19.25 | acehigh | cafuego, but i got a wonderful running laptop over next to me with xorg installed |
| 05:19.51 | cafuego | ... and? |
| 05:19.53 | acehigh | frank_white, oh dont get me wrong i dont mind command line at all but it would be nice to see a picture behind the text your typing |
| 05:19.59 | Maliuta | acehigh: http://pastebin.ca/1006702 has my adapted xorg.conf for you\ |
| 05:20.08 | acehigh | k looking |
| 05:20.17 | jescis | frank_white, I'm a consumer and a performer. I'd like to get paid for my music. But only those who can't afford to buy CDs should get them for free(disabled american veterans and others on Social Security). |
| 05:20.23 | cafuego | wouldn't have thought it was in any way hard to make a machine with gfx hardware run X these days |
| 05:20.30 | frank_white | a real server that does actual work should never have X installed on it |
| 05:20.37 | cafuego | more like than not you'd need to *remove* X |
| 05:20.37 | ddalton | I'm blind so if you could help me with fstab please join ##ddalton I don't currently have braille so no freze... :-( here is my fstab file though. |
| 05:20.39 | yitz_ | Hi. In the /etc/rc?.d/ links, are the Snn and Knn supposed to have the same nn numbers, or are they supposed to add up to 100? Or does it really not matter? |
| 05:20.40 | ddalton | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1006701 |
| 05:20.41 | Maliuta | acehigh: to get the compiz stuff going you will need additional packages and stuff, and if you have extra fonts installed you will want to add them |
| 05:21.07 | waldschatten | people should support the artists not the RIAA |
| 05:21.25 | jescis | waldschatten, amen brother! |
| 05:21.40 | mx | cafuego didnt work :/ |
| 05:21.51 | jescis | Don't forget the MPAA |
| 05:22.03 | cafuego | yitz_: They are used for startup order, they need not be identical. |
| 05:22.13 | firedemon | mpaa is evil |
| 05:22.31 | osmosis | what time would /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 run? |
| 05:22.41 | cafuego | osmosis: cron.daily - 6:25am |
| 05:22.45 | frank_white | metallica was going to build a solid gold bar with a shark tank in the side of it this month, but now because of people downloading their music online for free, they are going to have to wait a few months, can you live with that? |
| 05:22.49 | jescis | firedemon, I totally agree. |
| 05:22.49 | waldschatten | I have an RIAA label list. Won't buy a damn thing if it's on that list. |
| 05:22.59 | cafuego | osmosis:You can check that by the first log entry in your apache log. |
| 05:23.09 | waldschatten | heh southpark ftw! |
| 05:23.32 | osmosis | cafuego: good one |
| 05:23.39 | yitz_ | cafuego: I think I read a README that said to make them add to 100. And some services (eg ksyslog?) did have them adding to 100. But others just used the same numbers... |
| 05:23.45 | osmosis | cafuego: as well as /etc/crontab |
| 05:24.04 | cafuego | osmosis: /etc/crontab specifies start times |
| 05:24.17 | cafuego | yitz_: The readme was mistaken. |
| 05:24.22 | Maliuta | then there is lag in doing other jobs :) |
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| 05:25.04 | cafuego | yitz_: Adding to 100 would make then start and shutdown in the same order, BUT there is no rule that says this should be so. |
| 05:25.06 | mx | oh wel |
| 05:25.07 | mx | l |
| 05:25.24 | and][ng | I need a small installation with xorg xorg-dev and build-essential, how much space could it take? I have to create image disk and would like to keep it as smaller as possible |
| 05:25.33 | yitz_ | cafuego: Thanks |
| 05:25.40 | cafuego | mx: Disbale all but one until you find the directive that's being wrong |
| 05:26.03 | jescis | waldschatten, if I msg you my email will you give me the RIAA label list? |
| 05:26.29 | mx | ok |
| 05:26.59 | frank_white | jescis: something tells me its really long ;) |
| 05:27.17 | mx | oh but how will know which one is wrnng? all i do to test it is hotlink a large iamgein a random forum site |
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| 05:27.27 | jescis | frank_white, that's why I want it emailed to me. |
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| 05:28.19 | poseidon | Are variable command line arguments represented as %u in linux? |
| 05:28.31 | waldschatten | jescis I googled for it, do that every few months and print it, don't have a soft copy of it right now |
| 05:28.42 | cafuego | mx: Set the rules such that you can check that each one is correct. Ie: fuirst check if ther referrer one works, then check if the _thumb one works.. etc |
| 05:28.53 | mx | ok |
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| 05:29.05 | jescis | waldschatten, ah ok. |
| 05:29.27 | cafuego | poseidon: %u? |
| 05:30.32 | and][ng | poseidon: I don't thin linux has a concept of cli arguments, what do you mean? |
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| 05:30.42 | acehigh | brb |
| 05:30.48 | acehigh | Maliuta, restarting x |
| 05:31.07 | poseidon | I am trying to figure out why iceweasel isn't being set to defualt web browser when I try |
| 05:31.08 | cafuego | %u is an unsigned decimal int in c's printf() fucntion |
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| 05:31.46 | poseidon | cafuego, I know that. I thought it might be like %s because I had thought I had saw it in a run command before |
| 05:31.47 | cafuego | poseidon: Oh, you mean %u as param to a gnome app preference or something? |
| 05:31.57 | waldschatten | how do you set the xserver to use fluxbox when you type startx |
| 05:32.08 | Maliuta | .xsession |
| 05:32.18 | cafuego | waldschatten: echo "exec fluxbox &" > .xsession |
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| 05:32.37 | waldschatten | as the user to set or root. |
| 05:32.42 | mx | cafuego i tried it without the RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ! .*_thumb and it doesnt any image |
| 05:32.44 | Maliuta | waldschatten: though running a session manager, like xdm/gdm/kdm makes it easier |
| 05:33.01 | Maliuta | waldschatten: I like gdm these days |
| 05:33.04 | mx | *it doesnt protect an imagewhatsoever |
| 05:33.31 | Maliuta | waldschatten: a .xsession should be as a user, otherwise it's a sytem wide Xsession file |
| 05:33.31 | cafuego | So the image extension match is wrong? |
| 05:33.32 | mx | uh |
| 05:33.51 | and][ng | waldschatten: system wide or on a per user basis? |
| 05:33.54 | mx | is it supposed to wrok globally for the site? |
| 05:34.06 | mx | or one mus specify the locationof the images? |
| 05:34.14 | cafuego | mx: depends on where you'r putting it. in the apache cfg file, then yes |
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| 05:34.21 | waldschatten | well, system wide should bo console, per user to set it |
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| 05:34.32 | mx | in a .httaccess |
| 05:34.46 | and][ng | waldschatten: I'm sorry I don't understand |
| 05:34.47 | cafuego | that only works in any dirs under the .htaccess file |
| 05:34.54 | cafuego | (plus the dir it's in) |
| 05:35.10 | Maliuta | mx: you got a link to those rewrite rules? I'm pretty good with them |
| 05:35.13 | and][ng | Maliuta: what's the difference between using .xinitrc and Xsession? |
| 05:35.23 | mx | yes |
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| 05:35.37 | poseidon | I have tried setting iceweasel as my defualt web browser, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 05:35.37 | Maliuta | and][ng: .xsession works with xdm aswell as startx |
| 05:35.38 | cafuego | and][ng: .xinitrc is the old style filename |
| 05:35.41 | acehigh | Maliuta, still no screens found |
| 05:35.45 | mx | http://pastebin.ca/1006700 |
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| 05:35.49 | and][ng | ah I see |
| 05:35.59 | Maliuta | acehigh: pastebin me the xorg log output |
| 05:35.59 | and][ng | cafuego: and that's what I'm used to |
| 05:36.14 | and][ng | this ibook with debian heats a lot |
| 05:36.26 | mx | cafuego the images are in /adult/imaes/ |
| 05:36.26 | and][ng | much more than it does with os x with similar usage |
| 05:36.29 | Maliuta | cafuego: technically the only thing that looks for .xinitrc is startx |
| 05:36.29 | mx | *images |
| 05:36.42 | mx | Maliuta http://pastebin.ca/1006700 |
| 05:36.46 | cafuego | notes the images are not work safe |
| 05:37.02 | mx | yep |
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| 05:37.13 | mx | i can provide u with worksafe images |
| 05:37.17 | mx | to test |
| 05:37.28 | and][ng | !worksafe |
| 05:37.36 | cafuego | Maliuta: The idea is to disallow external linking to image files that do not have _thumb in the file path |
| 05:37.47 | mx | but i dont think tis necesaaary |
| 05:37.47 | and][ng | what are worksafe images? |
| 05:37.48 | acehigh | Maliuta, the current output will work right because i had to put my old to get into xchat |
| 05:37.52 | mx | i can do all the testing |
| 05:37.58 | mx | ahaha and][ng |
| 05:38.01 | acehigh | let me cat it to another file hold on |
| 05:38.05 | acehigh | brb |
| 05:38.15 | cafuego | pats and][ng on the head. never you mind. |
| 05:38.47 | poseidon | I have tried setting the defualt web browser in kde componet manager to both iceweasel and /usr/bin/iceweasel but it still opens konqueror instead by defualt |
| 05:38.50 | and][ng | seriously I can't get what it means |
| 05:39.07 | mx | cafuego so if i put the .httacess in the public_html, it hsould wrk for all subflders, right? |
| 05:39.22 | mx | and][ng thinkk of images they allow u to see at work |
| 05:39.29 | and][ng | ahhh |
| 05:39.36 | and][ng | got it |
| 05:39.46 | Maliuta | mx: have you tried replacing the "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ! .*_thumb" with "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} ! .*_thumb.*"? |
| 05:39.54 | mx | no |
| 05:39.56 | mx | but i will |
| 05:39.56 | and][ng | for example no 2girls1cup at workplace |
| 05:40.02 | and][ng | sure |
| 05:40.09 | mx | thats NWS |
| 05:40.11 | mx | Not worksafe |
| 05:40.30 | and][ng | I tought you were talking about some damn ramdisk boot image |
| 05:40.34 | Maliuta | worksafe doesn't bother me, and I'm not testing anyhow |
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| 05:40.46 | acehigh | k got the output one sec |
| 05:40.49 | cafuego | mx: Yup |
| 05:41.30 | and][ng | qemu got stuck scanning debian-4.0r1 netinst iso |
| 05:41.47 | Maliuta | acehigh: from the failed session? a "working" session might also have some info I can use |
| 05:41.47 | mx | Maliuta ddint work either |
| 05:41.56 | waldschatten | X just crashes when I start it |
| 05:42.06 | mx | however even if i dont use the thumb part, its not protecting any images at all |
| 05:42.24 | and][ng | bye |
| 05:42.26 | Maliuta | mx: what is a url for a valid thumbnail? |
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| 05:42.48 | acehigh | Maliuta, http://pastebin.ca/1006720 |
| 05:42.53 | mx | http://dumppix.com/adult/images/j550e5abf9igbb9cxdmx.jpg <====== worksafe |
| 05:43.04 | acehigh | Maliuta, thats the failed one |
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| 05:43.35 | mx | Maliuta http://dumppix.com/adult/images/j550e5abf9igbb9cxdmx_thumb.jpg <--- thumbnail of image |
| 05:44.16 | acehigh | Maliuta, working one http://pastebin.ca/1006724 |
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| 05:46.50 | vraa | hey what's up guys |
| 05:46.56 | vraa | i think i need help |
| 05:47.10 | acehigh | vraa, another fun day in the hood |
| 05:47.32 | vraa | i have a process, 7zr, which has been running for 2.5hrs now. it's taing up 707mb vmem and 85% of the real mem -- but it's only maybe 30mb of files it's gotta compress. |
| 05:47.39 | vraa | lol another day in the new neighborhood :D |
| 05:47.49 | vraa | it's a learning experience |
| 05:48.50 | Maliuta | mx: http://pastebin.ca/1006725 ... might work assuming that the .htaccess is in the right place. I would put it into the <VirtualHost> directive by preference |
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| 05:48.57 | dondelelcaro | vraa: the 7z compressor uses insane amounts of memory |
| 05:48.58 | Maliuta | acehigh: getting to it :) |
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| 05:50.04 | vraa | well, the thing is, i've also been working on the folders which it's compressing |
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| 05:50.17 | vraa | maybe i might've caused a loop or something? is there a way to find out if the process is broken? |
| 05:50.39 | vraa | it's not using much cpu time at all |
| 05:51.20 | ceil420 | how can i enable ctrl+shift+u > unicode? |
| 05:51.49 | acehigh | great the next wonderful thing I got to get working is sound |
| 05:51.57 | acehigh | udigy 1 card |
| 05:51.58 | dondelelcaro | ceil420: huh? |
| 05:52.00 | acehigh | audigy |
| 05:52.11 | acehigh | but one thing at a time hehe |
| 05:52.39 | ceil420 | dondelelcaro, in Xubuntu, it was enabled by default. hit ctrl+shift+u and you could enter 4 hexadecimal digits to input a unicode symbol |
| 05:52.50 | dondelelcaro | ceil420: that's console dependent |
| 05:52.52 | ceil420 | 262e = peace sign, 2665 = heart, etc |
| 05:53.10 | ceil420 | i could do it anywhere in the OS; xchat, firefox, terminal, etc |
| 05:53.52 | Maliuta | acehigh: this is a laptop right? |
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| 05:54.12 | and][ng | hello |
| 05:54.16 | and][ng | (again) |
| 05:54.21 | acehigh | Maliuta, desktop |
| 05:54.24 | waldschatten | la la la, install install, la la la |
| 05:54.41 | waldschatten | Maybe someday I'll have a working X here |
| 05:55.18 | and][ng | I enable routing on the debian box simply running a "sudo ipmasq", is there a command to turn masquerading off too? |
| 05:55.23 | waldschatten | But I do have lynx wget gcc g++ etc so the system works great. |
| 05:55.48 | waldschatten | Installing nvidia binary drivers to see if the nvidia-config thing does it right for me. |
| 05:57.10 | Maliuta | acehigh: from the output the failed sessions using the ati drivers that card is not in the supported list. and all the searching only mentions the vesa and fglrx drivers supporting it |
| 05:57.30 | Maliuta | acehigh: they also only mention x1600 mobility (i.e. in a laptop) |
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| 05:57.46 | Guerin | and][ng: you don't turn on maqsing qwith that command in any debian I've used. |
| 05:58.09 | and][ng | Guerin: tell my system... |
| 05:58.14 | mx | Maliuta it works but it is also protecting thumbnails |
| 05:58.19 | acehigh | Maliuta, so basically I cant get it up and running? |
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| 05:58.44 | acehigh | Maliuta, know much about nvidia? |
| 05:58.57 | acehigh | Maliuta, I have the onboard |
| 05:59.03 | Guerin | and][ng: anyway, ipmasq, if it's the same as the debian package, is just a script calling iuptables. You can turn all iptables off by the usual methods. |
| 05:59.20 | acehigh | brb booting to the nvidia |
| 06:00.11 | and][ng | Guerin: the point is I never learnt about tables so I'm not sure what usual methods are |
| 06:00.44 | Guerin | and][ng: man iptables! |
| 06:01.19 | Guerin | and][ng: look for `flush' |
| 06:01.58 | and][ng | thanks |
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| 06:06.43 | sergiu | hello |
| 06:07.14 | mx | grr |
| 06:08.05 | sergiu | i have in sources.list only security.debin.org |
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| 06:08.35 | sergiu | from where to get the complete list of sources for debian etch |
| 06:08.42 | mx | Maliuta so it odes protect the images , but it also includes the _thumb files, i also retried with "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} ! .*_thumb.*" |
| 06:08.45 | mx | but no uck either |
| 06:08.50 | dondelelcaro | !sources.list |
| 06:08.50 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:08.54 | dondelelcaro | sergiu: see above. |
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| 06:09.16 | sandman | Is there a script or something that I can run, which will find all files not in the packages I have installed? |
| 06:09.48 | sandman | Apparently virtualbox doesn't uninstall cleanly... when I remove it with aptitude, a lot of its files are still there for example /etc/init.d/vboxdev |
| 06:09.59 | sandman | I wanted to see what else is laying around my filesystem which shouldn't be there |
| 06:10.53 | dondelelcaro | sandman: cruft |
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| 06:11.01 | sergiu | can i use the testing repository in debian etch ? |
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| 06:11.02 | Maliuta | mx: one sec, caffinating |
| 06:11.13 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Oh that's awesome. Thank you |
| 06:11.13 | dondelelcaro | sergiu: not unless you want to run testing, not etch. |
| 06:11.25 | sergiu | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 06:11.27 | mx | okay Maliuta :) |
| 06:11.36 | sergiu | :> |
| 06:12.41 | poseidon | I have tried setting the defualt web browser in kde componet manager to both iceweasel and /usr/bin/iceweasel but it still opens konqueror instead by defualt |
| 06:12.52 | poseidon | Has anyone else ever had this problem? |
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| 06:14.38 | sergiu | i dont understand.. can i use the example like the default repository?\ |
| 06:14.40 | Maliuta | poseidon: update-alternative --config x-www-browser |
| 06:14.51 | sergiu | the sources.list example |
| 06:15.06 | markybob | i wish zenoss had a sqlite version that didnt require myqsl |
| 06:15.10 | sergiu | from /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 06:16.30 | sergiu | ) |
| 06:16.41 | Maliuta | mx: odd |
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| 06:17.42 | acehigh | k im back but without a physical mouse view |
| 06:17.45 | acehigh | hehe |
| 06:17.57 | acehigh | Maliuta, im booted on the nvidia card |
| 06:18.04 | mx | i know |
| 06:18.13 | mx | it just ignores the _thumb condition |
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| 06:20.08 | mx | everything else works except this part |
| 06:20.10 | mx | "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^.*_thumb\.*$ [NC]" |
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| 06:21.16 | mx | haha |
| 06:21.42 | mx | Maliuta i found this site |
| 06:21.43 | mx | http://www.webmasterworld.com/apache/3577026.htm |
| 06:22.04 | mx | the guy asking for help has the exact same problem becsaue he is suing the same imagehost script |
| 06:23.31 | Maliuta | mx: that should read "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^.*_thumb.*$ [NC]" or RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^.*_thumb\..*$ [NC] |
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| 06:24.30 | mx | ok |
| 06:25.04 | Maliuta | mx: the first matches foo/bar_thumbmorecharsincluding.stuff, the second foo/bar_thumb.stuff |
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| 06:25.18 | mx | let me try iy |
| 06:25.18 | ArtVandalae | Is there a way to say, I want chmod to change all directories to permission: 755, but all normal files to 744? |
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| 06:26.35 | quentusrex | What is some software to play real media files? I want to play a 'rm' video file... |
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| 06:27.07 | sergiu | how can i play .avi |
| 06:27.10 | sergiu | !avi |
| 06:27.10 | dpkg | avi is probably an acronym for Audio Video Interleave, for avi playback, ask me about <mplayer>, <xine>, <w32codecs> |
| 06:27.32 | ArtVandalae | quentusrex, you could install Realmedia... but that's possibly the worst piece of software ever. |
| 06:27.49 | ArtVandalae | quentusrex, I'm not 100% sure, but Helix Player might be able to play Realmedia files |
| 06:27.57 | quentusrex | ArtVandalae, is there anything else that will play the files? or atleast transcode them? |
| 06:28.02 | sergiu | !codec |
| 06:28.10 | sergiu | !codecs |
| 06:28.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, codecs is See <w32codecs>, or for a run-down of various free(ish) codecs and container formats, see http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=19555 |
| 06:28.23 | mx | no luck with neither Maliuta |
| 06:28.32 | ceil420 | does anyone know how i can make it so that when i can hit ctrl+shift+U and enter 4 hexadecimal digits to get a unicode symbol? |
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| 06:29.04 | sergiu | !media |
| 06:29.04 | dpkg | i heard media is TP |
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| 06:29.16 | sergiu | :> |
| 06:29.23 | ArtVandalae | quentusrex, I'm not sure tbh. I don't think all of the realmedia codecs have been 100% reverse engineered (to play). I think ffmpeg is close. |
| 06:29.47 | Maliuta | mx: I'm just hunting down some more on the regex stuff specific to mod_rewrite |
| 06:30.01 | mx | okay |
| 06:30.16 | mx | thansk for ur help :) |
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| 06:31.09 | iSupaplex | mx: the apache website has pretty good info on mod_rewrite |
| 06:31.48 | mx | iSupaplex if only i could understand |
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| 06:32.00 | mx | i really new wth this |
| 06:32.13 | iSupaplex | regex's are like black magic. :) |
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| 06:34.33 | jescis | what do I use to burn cds or dvds? |
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| 06:35.06 | sergiu | hm, why when i open for example an movie from another partition , the movie has to be copied in /home/user ? |
| 06:35.22 | mx | jescis nero |
| 06:35.27 | Guerin | sergiu: it doesn't |
| 06:35.35 | jescis | mx, in tty? |
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| 06:35.43 | Guerin | jescis: cdrecord or cdw |
| 06:35.45 | kiiwii | Hi. My laptop have no sound after resume. I searched the web. But with no luck. How can I tackle it? |
| 06:35.58 | jescis | thanks Guerin |
| 06:36.07 | sergiu | Guerin, it dose.. i use video - Noatun. |
| 06:36.15 | lastnode | kiiwii: try restarting alsa? |
| 06:36.18 | cahoot | isn't it wodim in debian? |
| 06:36.30 | Guerin | sergiu: noatun is fucking stupid. Use something better. |
| 06:36.30 | lastnode | srit doesn't have to. |
| 06:36.36 | Guerin | cahoot: yweah, wodim too. |
| 06:36.39 | sergiu | Guerin :D |
| 06:36.39 | lastnode | wth is naotun? |
| 06:36.44 | sergiu | don't be angry.. |
| 06:36.51 | kiiwii | lastnode, yes, trying restarting alsa is ok. But I don't like it :( |
| 06:36.53 | Guerin | kde's crappy no-options audio player |
| 06:36.55 | lastnode | Guerin: he's not, mate. :) just a figure of speech. |
| 06:37.06 | mx | tty? |
| 06:37.15 | Guerin | kiiwii: when you send it down to hibernate, remove your sound modules; then re-insert them on resume/. |
| 06:37.19 | lastnode | kiiwii: write a scriptat executes on unsuspend. |
| 06:37.32 | lastnode | what guerin said works too. |
| 06:37.32 | sergiu | eh, very strange. |
| 06:37.48 | Guerin | sergiu: use mplayer of vlc |
| 06:37.53 | Guerin | s/of/or |
| 06:38.19 | kiiwii | Guerin, Ahhh. That sounds good. Why isn't it the default configuration in debian? |
| 06:38.30 | Guerin | kiiwii: because it's not necessary for most sound devices. |
| 06:38.50 | cahoot | sergiu: use aqualung if you want to differ from the majority |
| 06:38.53 | kiiwii | Guerin, It is a bug of alsa with my sound device? |
| 06:38.57 | lastnode | kiiwii: my sound works fine, but i never suspend |
| 06:39.13 | lastnode | kiiwii: prolyl with your sound decide mate. and the drivers? i dunno, what is your sound card? |
| 06:39.14 | Guerin | kiiwii: sound driver bug. |
| 06:39.21 | lastnode | *device |
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| 06:39.54 | acehigh | k that was wack |
| 06:40.01 | Maliuta | mx: so really your only issue is that the thumbnails can't be hotlinked? |
| 06:40.17 | acehigh | Maliuta, k im booted on the nvidia |
| 06:40.22 | acehigh | its a 6100 |
| 06:40.24 | and][ng | bye |
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| 06:40.48 | Maliuta | acehigh: you should be able to install the nvidia glx packages |
| 06:40.50 | kiiwii | lastnode, lspci gives "Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] |
| 06:40.58 | mx | Maliuta exaclty |
| 06:41.01 | Maliuta | acehigh: and the bob should be you mothers brother |
| 06:41.21 | acehigh | Maliuta, seeing as ive never installed nvidia could you point me to some docs? |
| 06:41.45 | lastnode | kiiwii: does restarting alsa work? |
| 06:41.46 | acehigh | im a doc kinda guy hehe |
| 06:41.47 | mx | Maliuta unfortunately the script saves both large and small images int he same folder |
| 06:42.19 | Maliuta | acehigh: ahhh, I have always just used the INSTALL file in the nvidia installer, I roll my own packages :) |
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| 06:42.35 | kiiwii | lastnode, Yes it works, but lots of apps have to be restarted as well |
| 06:42.40 | Maliuta | mx: you want the thumnails to be hotlinkable? |
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| 06:42.55 | mx | hmm yes |
| 06:42.56 | mx | :? |
| 06:43.01 | Maliuta | mx: because I have another hackjob way to get it to work :) |
| 06:43.12 | mx | sounds scary |
| 06:43.38 | mx | who do I have to kill? |
| 06:43.43 | lastnode | kiiwii: that is annoying amte. i guess google is the way to go |
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| 06:44.31 | kiiwii | lastnode, Yes I am doing that. but not succeeded yet. Thanks. |
| 06:44.37 | sergiu | i am trying to play an .avi , mplayer couse : error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device |
| 06:44.41 | sergiu | any suggestions.. |
| 06:45.12 | Guerin | sergiu: mplayer -vo xv file.avi |
| 06:45.31 | Maliuta | mx: http://pastebin.ca/1006751 might work |
| 06:45.49 | jescis | gets his hammer for sergiu's problem ;) |
| 06:46.24 | Maliuta | mx: it matches the thumbnail before the rest and by-passes the other rules |
| 06:46.25 | phorce1 | vlc |
| 06:46.52 | Guerin | if mplayer can't open a given vo device, vlc won't be able to do so either |
| 06:47.46 | lastnode | has anyoen here doen disk ecnryption on deb? any recomemnded apps? |
| 06:47.52 | phorce1 | but trying another player may help narrow the problem with a differently woded error message |
| 06:47.53 | sergiu | i will try vlc |
| 06:47.53 | mx | Maliuta checking |
| 06:48.08 | Guerin | sergiu: no, try what I told you |
| 06:48.08 | phorce1 | s/woded/worded/ |
| 06:48.17 | Guerin | no |
| 06:48.26 | Guerin | i know what the error is likely to be with this |
| 06:48.29 | Maliuta | mx: sorry, the PT line should be "RewriteRule ^(.*)$ $1 [PT]" |
| 06:48.34 | phorce1 | ok |
| 06:48.40 | jescis | lastnode, linux doesn't need encryption software. |
| 06:48.45 | Guerin | (but only with mplayer, not vlc) |
| 06:48.53 | Guerin | vlc has shithouse error messages anyhow |
| 06:49.06 | lastnode | jescis: er? |
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| 06:49.09 | mx | ok changking |
| 06:49.26 | phorce1 | Guerin: I've never gotten one yet so I wouldn't know ;-) |
| 06:49.27 | lastnode | jescis: i want to make sure that in the evet my laptop is ever stolen, the theives wont eb able to access crap |
| 06:49.30 | Ryan52 | What does "drwxrwxr-t" mean? (from ls -l) |
| 06:49.53 | mx | no go Maliuta :/ |
| 06:49.53 | Guerin | phorce1: right, exactly. No informational output. Which is nice if it all works, but not so when it doesn't. |
| 06:50.01 | mx | Ryan52 looks like permisions |
| 06:50.11 | mx | file permissions |
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| 06:50.18 | jescis | well that's what passwords and permissions are for. |
| 06:50.23 | Ryan52 | mx: ya, but what does the t mean? |
| 06:50.32 | sergiu | Guerin, works\ |
| 06:50.40 | cafuego | sTicky |
| 06:50.51 | bobby_ | does anyone here develop qt projects with autotools? |
| 06:50.53 | Guerin | Ryan52: info coreutils ls |
| 06:50.59 | sergiu | Guerin, can i simplicy this, to not all the time do open avi from terminal.. |
| 06:51.02 | Maliuta | mx: do you control the machine? or is this on a hosted server? |
| 06:51.04 | sergiu | ) |
| 06:51.12 | cafuego | means group permissions do no not override ownership |
| 06:51.21 | mx | D = directory |
| 06:51.25 | sergiu | i will think about it |
| 06:51.25 | mx | v |
| 06:51.26 | mx | L = symbolic link |
| 06:51.28 | sergiu | alone |
| 06:51.31 | mx | google is ur friend |
| 06:51.31 | sergiu | :D |
| 06:51.33 | mx | :D |
| 06:51.41 | mx | Maliuta |
| 06:51.42 | Maliuta | mx: because I would like to try some logging of the rewrite process |
| 06:51.47 | mx | dedicated service |
| 06:52.01 | mx | *server |
| 06:52.06 | mx | i have root access |
| 06:52.06 | phorce1 | Ryan52: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 06:52.13 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 06:52.13 | mx | i isntalled the cpanel myself |
| 06:52.20 | Maliuta | mx: examalent :) |
| 06:52.20 | Guerin | sergiu: right. make it permanent by running mkdir ~/.mplayer; echo vo=xv > ~/.mplayer/config |
| 06:52.26 | Ryan52 | (I thought that was s...) |
| 06:52.35 | Maliuta | mx: cpanel == bad |
| 06:52.36 | mx | sooooo |
| 06:53.00 | mx | cpanel == helps a nnoob like me mage his site :) |
| 06:53.00 | sergiu | Guerin, big thanks |
| 06:53.10 | mx | *manage |
| 06:53.24 | mx | its my first dedicated server |
| 06:53.31 | acehigh | Maliuta, the deb packages are apprently broken on the nvidia driver |
| 06:53.50 | mx | what knind of access do u need? |
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| 06:54.33 | jescis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.45 | jescis | oops :o |
| 06:54.54 | Guerin | mx: you're not actually going to give someone from irc a shell on your machine, are you? |
| 06:55.20 | iSupaplex | I feel sorry for the fool that does |
| 06:55.26 | cafuego | Coz right after you do that, you cannot trust it and will need to do a new install. |
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| 06:55.30 | Guerin | iSupaplex: you mean `I pity the fool ...' |
| 06:55.32 | mx | no |
| 06:55.35 | waldschatten | how do I go abouyt setting up a wifi card, allready installed the ipw3945 ipw3945d and firmware-ipw3945 packages, iwconfig is only giving me eth0 and lo, no wlan0 or eth1 |
| 06:55.42 | mx | tthats why i am asking first |
| 06:55.49 | Maliuta | mx: give me second to run up a test flag myself |
| 06:55.54 | mx | ok |
| 06:55.57 | mx | Maliuta |
| 06:56.05 | Guerin | what's the point in asking if you already know the answer has to be `fuck no' |
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| 06:56.20 | nascentmind | hi |
| 06:56.21 | mx | do u have a wbesite? u can install the scirpt in2 mins |
| 06:56.22 | Maliuta | acehigh: you are using real debian? I thought I saw you mention ubuntu before |
| 06:56.40 | nascentmind | i upgraded to lenny and I am getting an error while upgrading or installing exim4 |
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| 06:56.47 | acehigh | this system is real debian |
| 06:56.49 | Guerin | nascentmind: BTS |
| 06:56.53 | mx | Guerin i can give him acess as a webhost user and still eba ble to run ssh |
| 06:56.55 | acehigh | my laptop is ubuntu |
| 06:56.59 | Maliuta | mx: I run my server here at home ... running up a test domian now. I want to test the rewrite rules on apache and not your script :) |
| 06:57.05 | acehigh | and the other laptop is freebsd |
| 06:57.05 | nascentmind | Guerin, i didn't get you |
| 06:57.15 | Guerin | !bts |
| 06:57.15 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 06:57.16 | mx | okidokie |
| 06:57.32 | waldschatten | !wifi |
| 06:57.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11 wireless networking. `Wifi' should have been a proper spec, like USB, and we'd have a few chipsets which would all work. Instead it was whizz-bang, let's include half-arsed encryption in the protocol spec, oh shit we now have to implement some not-half-arsed encryption which breaks everything, and ooh, fun let's release the same chipset again with changes to make it non-interoperable. Bah. |
| 06:57.37 | Maliuta | acehigh: download the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website and have them build the packages |
| 06:57.45 | acehigh | k |
| 06:57.46 | waldschatten | Bah, need a guide damn you! |
| 06:57.48 | Maliuta | acehigh: just one q, is it a 64bit system? |
| 06:58.02 | nascentmind | Guerin, I saw that there was this bug mentioned. |
| 06:58.06 | Guerin | waldschatten: there isn't one, really |
| 06:58.17 | acehigh | Maliuta, yes |
| 06:58.26 | Guerin | waldschatten: man iwlist,iwconfig etc. |
| 06:58.33 | nascentmind | Guerin, how do i get the patched version. |
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| 06:58.40 | Guerin | waldschatten: #wireless is also fairly good |
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| 06:59.03 | acehigh | Maliuta, is that a bad thing? |
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| 06:59.06 | Guerin | nascentmind: you wait until it filters down into lenny. In the mean time, use another mail server. |
| 06:59.44 | nascentmind | Guerin, how do i remove the upgrading from dist-upgrade? |
| 06:59.58 | waldschatten | I put the ipw3945 driver ucode and daemon packaes on here, usually iwconfig returns eth1 or wlan0 depending on the distro after the driver is installed |
| 07:00.00 | Guerin | nascentmind: when you install another mail server it will do so for you |
| 07:00.15 | nascentmind | Guerin, i don't need any mail server in the first place.. |
| 07:00.24 | Guerin | nascentmind: then install nullmailer |
| 07:00.39 | Guerin | the mail server you have when you don't need a mail server |
| 07:01.33 | acehigh | brb |
| 07:01.53 | nascentmind | Guerin, ok will install that. |
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| 07:02.37 | nascentmind | Guerin, k done dist-upgrade and it skipped exim |
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| 07:03.56 | arussel | what application can I use to switch keyboard layout easily ? (without using kde or gnome) |
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| 07:04.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | where would be the apropriate place to ask with help on anonftpsync? |
| 07:05.29 | waldschatten | linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable |
| 07:05.51 | waldschatten | missing a repo or something here |
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| 07:07.13 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:07.23 | jim | hi |
| 07:07.30 | eleet_fstab | hey all i need some help i would like to put on beryl but apt-get install beryl is kicking me in the arse not finding it |
| 07:07.36 | eleet_fstab | good morning dimir |
| 07:07.49 | jim | well beryl is dead for one thing :) |
| 07:07.59 | eleet_fstab | really? |
| 07:08.02 | jim | maybe you can get older beryls |
| 07:08.18 | jim | yes, it's a dead project, the live one is compiz fusion |
| 07:08.25 | eleet_fstab | oh well whats new :) is there anything that dose the same |
| 07:08.36 | jim | see above |
| 07:08.39 | eleet_fstab | oh compiz fusion wow im getting old |
| 07:08.48 | eleet_fstab | !compiz fusion |
| 07:08.50 | jim | reading comprehension is good for you :) |
| 07:09.07 | jim | well I tried to get it going once, didn't... |
| 07:09.16 | jim | but the truth is I'd like to try again |
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| 07:09.31 | mx | chan chaddan chadan |
| 07:09.32 | eleet_fstab | :) well i guess in that case i will try it to |
| 07:09.33 | waldschatten | compiz-fusion now |
| 07:09.42 | waldschatten | bah, lagged that one |
| 07:09.46 | eleet_fstab | aright be back in a second |
| 07:09.57 | jim | do you etch? |
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| 07:10.06 | waldschatten | looks pretty, but the performance hit isn't worth it inho |
| 07:10.20 | jim | I don't doubt that for a minnit |
| 07:10.42 | jim | but I have amd64x2 w/2g ram... I might be sorta ok :) |
| 07:10.53 | eleet_fstab | waldschatten im going to run it on xfce wdm xorg minimal system should hit me too bad |
| 07:11.22 | jim | etch? |
| 07:11.28 | eleet_fstab | jim im lenny |
| 07:11.36 | waldschatten | heh, I play games with wine, any boost I can get I'll take. Get better pings and fps on wine than in the XP they were written for. |
| 07:11.49 | jim | oh, well... we're coming from 2 different dists... |
| 07:11.56 | eleet_fstab | yea i hear you |
| 07:12.06 | jeffwheeler | I'm certain this is a user error, but my cron jobs don't seem to be running, and I'm not sure where I can find any (if they exist) error logs. |
| 07:12.19 | jim | !info compiz-fusion lenny |
| 07:12.33 | eleet_fstab | jim isnt lenny testing |
| 07:12.40 | jeffwheeler | The crontab looks like this: http://pastie.org/191261 |
| 07:12.41 | jim | yes, it's what you're running |
| 07:12.51 | eleet_fstab | nice |
| 07:13.14 | jim | !find compiz |
| 07:13.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'compiz' (3 of 10): (/usr/lib/{libcompizconfig.so.0|libcompizconfig.so.0.0.0}) in libs/libcompizconfig0 ;; (/usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/compiz.desktop, /usr/lib/libgnome-window-settings1/libcompiz.so) in x11/compiz-gnome ;; (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/libcompizconfig.pc, /usr/lib/{libcompizconfig.a|libcompizconfig.so}) in libdevel/libcompizconfig-dev. |
| 07:14.17 | akt | a quick question. where can I get apt-setup? or apt-setup is deprecated like apt-get? |
| 07:14.23 | jeffwheeler | I'm pretty sure the crontab (above) is correct, so should there be something else I do before it'll start running? |
| 07:14.25 | eleet_fstab | i did a apt-cache search on beryl and it came back with compiz-backend-gconf is this what im looking for? |
| 07:14.25 | jim | compiz-fustion doesn't exist in lenny... so looks like you might be building it |
| 07:14.29 | akt | i'd like to upgrade to sid |
| 07:14.38 | jim | maybe |
| 07:14.54 | Guerin | no, you wouldn't |
| 07:14.54 | waldschatten | well, how do I fix a broken package? linux-kbuild-2.6.22 is not installable through the berkeley repo |
| 07:15.09 | waldschatten | someone have a repo I can replace it with |
| 07:15.15 | jim | akt: you know the consequences? you're not doing real work with that box? you keep it backed up? |
| 07:15.23 | Guerin | waldschatten: all repos are the same, in principle. |
| 07:15.29 | eleet_fstab | might as well any how jim might run better if i do it that way |
| 07:15.34 | Guerin | waldschatten: so you need to find out what's wrong and fix it |
| 07:15.40 | akt | jim: it's on vmware so I don't care much with it |
| 07:16.04 | eleet_fstab | thank you jim i need to do some reading now, Off to google land i go. |
| 07:16.11 | jim | akt: so, do you have lotsa linuxes that you do your real work with? |
| 07:16.11 | akt | jim: And I was debian users about 3 or 4 years ago. at least that time, unstable is not so unstable. |
| 07:16.29 | jim | eleet_fstab, welcome, if you see me around let me know how it went |
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| 07:16.57 | jim | akt: as long as you understand it's allowed to be |
| 07:17.06 | waldschatten | linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable Guerin |
| 07:17.10 | Guerin | akt: ok. Three things you need to know when using sid: 1. there's no going back. 2. the BTS loves you as much as you love it. 3. Don't bother asking for help in here. |
| 07:17.11 | eleet_fstab | oh ill build this in a hour if i find it |
| 07:17.41 | Guerin | waldschatten: i bet there's a more recent kernel |
| 07:17.41 | eleet_fstab | give you the heads up if your still here if not when i see you ill let you know for sure |
| 07:17.45 | jim | akt: the whole purpose is to release something stable, so you're right, lots of times it's not so unstable... but it's the times that it's not that can getcha :) |
| 07:17.51 | nascentmind | Guerin, when i boot from kernel 2.6.24 it gets stuck saying waiting for filesystem.. |
| 07:17.52 | akt | Guerin: sorry. I couldn't undersand No 2 |
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| 07:18.21 | Guerin | akt: you aren't ready to use sid, then. I suppose that's the 4th thing: you have to be able to figure out how to do it all on your own. Good luck :) |
| 07:18.28 | ceil420 | does anyone know how i can make it so that i can hit ctrl+shift+U and enter 4 hexadecimal digits to get a unicode symbol? |
| 07:18.41 | Guerin | nascentmind: i'm sorry to hear that. |
| 07:18.51 | waldschatten | So how do I get a new kernel without compiling it myself which I am terrable at, always get a kernel panic when I do it myslef. |
| 07:19.00 | nascentmind | Guerin, i think the upgrade got stuck near splash |
| 07:19.03 | jim | akt: more power to ya. if you want to see it, go for it... but there are things about it people don't know, and that includes the maints... |
| 07:19.06 | Guerin | waldschatten: aptitude search linux-image |
| 07:19.17 | nascentmind | Guerin, but when i ran dist-upgrade again it didn't have any problem |
| 07:19.27 | akt | fair enough... |
| 07:19.39 | waldschatten | just aptitude install it them? |
| 07:19.57 | Guerin | waldschatten: are you asking for permission, or advice? |
| 07:20.06 | waldschatten | advice |
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| 07:20.26 | waldschatten | just a straight install through package management works? |
| 07:20.29 | jim | akt: if that's acceptable, and if it's acceptable that it can get so bad on any given day that it burys you in problems (ok, so that's a possible scenario, not one I've seen), |
| 07:20.32 | Guerin | waldschatten: didn't I already give you this advice? |
| 07:20.36 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:20.40 | jim | then go ahead and take a look |
| 07:20.45 | waldschatten | Okay, thanks |
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| 07:20.55 | jim | I'd like to tell you the following as well... |
| 07:21.18 | jim | if you have some experience tracing down problems you find, it would be helpful if you report those problems |
| 07:21.35 | mx | are u still alive Maliuta? |
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| 07:23.28 | akt | when i was using debian as my work box, I'm using unstable and it works fine usually. but sometimes, after the big apt-upgrade, I had problems which causes my box unusable for 3 or more days. |
| 07:23.52 | eleet_fstab | jim still wanting to get it up and running your self read here its as easy as one two three http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 07:24.20 | akt | to me it's acceptable. as i said it just vm on my main box so I don't have ot care of it much |
| 07:24.20 | jim | eleet_fstab: you did it already? |
| 07:24.21 | nascentmind | Guerin, while upgrading does the installer maintain any error logs? |
| 07:24.25 | eleet_fstab | hope this helps out |
| 07:24.30 | eleet_fstab | :) |
| 07:24.40 | jim | yeah I remember that site |
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| 07:24.57 | akt | and I usually like to report buggies |
| 07:25.03 | eleet_fstab | almost there im configuring it for xfce4 |
| 07:25.56 | akt | I'm wondering why info on debian reference is so old. it was a perfect doc ever when I was debian user |
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| 07:26.03 | akt | about 4 years ago. |
| 07:26.15 | jim | akt: perfect... then by all means, go for it... and if I were you... I'd write out all the steps you use to get it, INCLUDING all sites you hit with google AND all search terms you use to find them |
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| 07:26.26 | jim | keep a sid scrapbook |
| 07:26.30 | sandman | Anyone know why Etch Xorg might intermittently occupty 99% CPU utilization and lock up? |
| 07:27.08 | jim | that way you can refer to it if you want to get it going again, that time will be with everything you find this time right in front of you |
| 07:27.21 | akt | jim: because it would help some other unstable guys? |
| 07:27.28 | akt | fair enough. |
| 07:27.37 | jim | well that depends on how unstable they are :) |
| 07:27.51 | jim | littl joke there |
| 07:28.33 | jim | akt: maybe, but it certainly will help you, in case you want to blow it away and try again |
| 07:28.43 | jim | Guerin: you concur here at all? |
| 07:29.05 | akt | yeah. |
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| 07:30.31 | eleet_fstab | 123@|> |33t|/\|33|\| t|-|3 <0|>3 |
| 07:30.34 | hhMish_ | What is debian way of installing perl modules ? |
| 07:30.50 | akt | btw are you using stable, jim? |
| 07:30.50 | Quintin | I'm having some trouble with ssh X forwarding.. DISPLAY is not set it says |
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| 07:31.06 | jim | yes I am |
| 07:31.17 | hhMish_ | Do poeple just use 'cpan install' ? |
| 07:31.41 | jim | which raises the possibility I don't know much about unstable :) |
| 07:32.08 | hhMish_ | I need some 2.4 distro to test things on 2.4 kernel. Which debian version can I pick ? |
| 07:32.12 | eleet_fstab | i like testing its not too bad to live on the edge :) |
| 07:32.30 | akt | haha |
| 07:32.50 | streuner | hhMish_: since stable/etch there is no 2.6.x kernel in Debian |
| 07:33.02 | jim | Quintin: you have to make sure of a coupla things |
| 07:33.04 | jim | first |
| 07:33.18 | hhMish_ | what ? no 2.6 ? then what ? |
| 07:33.23 | dutchfish | eleet_fstab, oldstable |
| 07:33.24 | eleet_fstab | my system is a custom kernel with reseirfs file manager wdm xorg xfce and its all on my little eee 2g |
| 07:33.25 | jim | you need xauth on both boxes, |
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| 07:33.42 | jim | in debian that program is in the package xbase-clients |
| 07:34.10 | eleet_fstab | dutchfish lenny testing |
| 07:34.16 | jim | eleet_fstab: have you checked your wife's vital signs lately? "_ |
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| 07:34.35 | eleet_fstab | ha nope |
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| 07:35.03 | snogglethorpe | j |
| 07:35.04 | Quintin | jim: fixed it. thansk! |
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| 07:35.16 | Fujisan | !fable |
| 07:35.16 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 07:35.26 | dutchfish | eleet_fstab, oldstable was ment for Quintin , sorry |
| 07:35.43 | Quintin | jim: well, xterm worked. iceweasel doesn't seem to load |
| 07:36.27 | jim | Quintin: oh good... so your sshd-config must be allowing x forwarding |
| 07:36.31 | Maliuta | mx: you there? |
| 07:36.37 | eleet_fstab | almost there jim would you like a screen shot? |
| 07:36.39 | Quintin | jim: yea I did that already |
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| 07:36.58 | Quintin | jim: any idea why iceweasel isn't showing up on my local box? |
| 07:37.05 | akt | hmm. couldn't find apt-setup. I'm going to write it by myself |
| 07:37.07 | jim | no, no idea |
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| 07:37.15 | Fujisan | how do i use dpkg in pm |
| 07:37.22 | Fujisan | ! trigger aint werking |
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| 07:37.30 | streuner | Fujisan: /msg dpkg help |
| 07:37.32 | jim | you don't need ! in /msg |
| 07:37.35 | jim | that too |
| 07:37.46 | Fujisan | i did fable in IM and he doesnt responf |
| 07:37.49 | Fujisan | f=d |
| 07:38.22 | nick01 | the only way to directly install sid would be the netinst cds ? |
| 07:38.36 | streuner | nick01: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:38.46 | renard99 | I want to pin my xserver and nvidia drivers to stable before I upgrade to testing. Could someone check if I have done this correctly? http://debian.pastebin.com/m66d25c17 tnx |
| 07:39.33 | Quintin | jim: :\ |
| 07:39.34 | dutchfish | !install sid |
| 07:39.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install sid is install testing then upgrade to sid, or if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 07:40.38 | jim | Quintin: how are you invoking it |
| 07:41.04 | Supaplex | m00 |
| 07:41.05 | Quintin | jim: ssh -X host , iceweasel & |
| 07:41.07 | nick01 | streuner, tks |
| 07:41.39 | streuner | dpkg, install sid is also read <sid faq> too |
| 07:41.39 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 07:42.13 | akt | jim: now i'm making my box crazy! thanks for your advice. |
| 07:42.32 | jim | akt: well I hope you like it... |
| 07:42.54 | jim | there's a small chance you won't, but let's let you decide that |
| 07:43.07 | dutchfish | !tell streuner about sidux |
| 07:43.09 | eleet_fstab | shoot one of my mirrors are down umm anyone have a stable mirror for lenny? this is the one im using Could not connect to mirror.cs.wisc.edu:80 |
| 07:43.25 | akt | pythonyeah, |
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| 07:43.36 | streuner | dutchfish: heh |
| 07:43.47 | renard99 | anyone? |
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| 07:43.58 | akt | stable is not acceptable for me as a python programmer |
| 07:44.05 | dutchfish | streuner, just to complete it ;) |
| 07:44.42 | jim | akt: I'm somewhat discouraging you, but I'm not disabling you |
| 07:44.47 | jim | why not? |
| 07:44.57 | jim | you could build your own python in stable |
| 07:44.58 | Quintin | jim: would it take a long time to get initial window you think? |
| 07:45.08 | eleet_fstab | renard looks good |
| 07:45.09 | jim | it could |
| 07:45.20 | renard99 | eleet_fstab: thanks, |
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| 07:45.32 | eleet_fstab | l checked out your paste should be fine :) no problem |
| 07:45.45 | mx | i am here Maliuta |
| 07:45.45 | akt | jim: I like to have it on default location. |
| 07:46.01 | Maliuta | mx: you get the p/m? |
| 07:46.19 | jim | Quintin: why not try firing it up without & |
| 07:46.50 | dutchfish | i compiled latest emerald along with compiz-fusion in edge, everything is working perfectly, only when i add emerald --replace in gnome session it crashes on boot, if i invoke it manually as non-prive user it starts ok. How to circumvent this so it will start correct on boot? |
| 07:46.58 | eleet_fstab | !mirrors |
| 07:46.58 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 07:47.06 | Quintin | jim: WEIRD |
| 07:47.12 | Quintin | jim: screwd up! it launched a local firefox |
| 07:47.19 | eleet_fstab | aww haha im a bot abuser |
| 07:47.20 | Quintin | jim: but, when I go to whatismyip.com , it shows IP of remote box |
| 07:47.20 | dutchfish | s/edge/etch |
| 07:47.23 | streuner | dutchfish: you are pretty confused today |
| 07:47.28 | jim | !bot |
| 07:47.28 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:47.40 | dutchfish | streuner, need some more coffee :) |
| 07:48.17 | akt | dist-upgrading ... |
| 07:48.20 | akt | thanks bye |
| 07:48.35 | eleet_fstab | what ever ya say there jim, looks to me someone spent alot of time crafting that finely tuned answering machine :) |
| 07:48.39 | mxmx | hm |
| 07:48.51 | jim | Quintin: you sure that's not remote? |
| 07:49.07 | Quintin | jim: yes. |
| 07:49.15 | Quintin | jim: oh.. no i tjust launches local firefox |
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| 07:49.21 | Quintin | this is really peculiar |
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| 07:49.40 | jim | look at the shell, you still logged in remote? |
| 07:49.55 | Quintin | yea |
| 07:50.13 | Nyle | yo |
| 07:50.17 | jim | if you hit ctrl-z then bg <enter> |
| 07:50.37 | Quintin | my prompt shows remote |
| 07:50.39 | jim | then ps <enter> |
| 07:50.49 | jim | does it show a firefox? |
| 07:51.04 | Quintin | I killed it.. I'm trying to launch iceweasel again.. |
| 07:51.08 | Quintin | waiting... ... .. |
| 07:52.06 | Quintin | jim: just did it again. long long wait, and it pops up local firefox |
| 07:52.19 | Quintin | jim: -bash: bg: current: no such job |
| 07:52.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | does anonftpsync support excluding different arches based on release? eg, only mirroring i386 for testing, but i386 and amd64 on stable? |
| 07:52.34 | jim | oh, because you killed it |
| 07:52.49 | Quintin | jim: I just did $ iceweasel again |
| 07:52.51 | jim | and did you background this iceweasel? |
| 07:52.58 | Quintin | after a long long wait, it opens local firefox |
| 07:53.03 | jim | did you & it? |
| 07:53.05 | Quintin | no |
| 07:53.18 | jim | so right now it's running? |
| 07:53.22 | Quintin | no |
| 07:53.25 | Quintin | ... |
| 07:53.33 | jim | you killed it again? :) |
| 07:53.42 | Quintin | iceweasel.does.not.start. |
| 07:53.56 | Quintin | I wait forever, then the remote shell returns, and a LOCAL firefox window opens |
| 07:54.18 | subzero__ | Hi all! Which utility can I use along with Thunderbird e-mail client to filter unwanted messages before downloading them? |
| 07:55.37 | Quintin | jim: do you understand what I am describing? |
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| 07:55.47 | jim | yes, I understand |
| 07:56.51 | Quintin | any ideas? |
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| 07:57.12 | jim | I'm trying to think of why/how this can happen, and the only way I can come up with is if firefox has some weird little program in it that behaves as you describe, it seems like it's a proxy |
| 07:57.33 | Nyle | why are we discussing firefox? |
| 07:57.34 | streuner | subzero__: Doesn't your mail-ISP provide some tools to fight against that? |
| 07:57.39 | Quintin | jim: well, this seems kind of dumb, but I'm thinking of purging local firefox then trying again |
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| 07:57.43 | sergiu | hello |
| 07:57.47 | Supaplex | it's by design. man iceweasel |
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| 07:57.51 | Nyle | do you mean 'iceweasel' instead of firefox? |
| 07:58.02 | Quintin | Nyle: no. the local machine is ubuntu. remote is debian |
| 07:58.02 | sergiu | can i fix this? W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 07:58.06 | Quintin | Supaplex: ?! elaborate? |
| 07:58.17 | Supaplex | "Don’t connect to a running iceweasel instance." |
| 07:58.18 | streuner | sergiu: visit that website |
| 07:58.21 | jim | Supaplex: oh really :) |
| 07:58.23 | subzero__ | streuner: no, it doesn't |
| 07:58.45 | sergiu | streuner, ok, i thought that it is an official debian site) |
| 07:58.51 | sergiu | sorry |
| 07:58.56 | sergiu | :> |
| 07:58.59 | streuner | subzero__: change it then, change your mail-ISP and your mail-client |
| 07:59.07 | streuner | sergiu: nope |
| 07:59.27 | Quintin | Supaplex: weird. I don't understand reason for that design |
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| 07:59.28 | dutchfish | ah, found out that adding emerald --replace to gnomes session manager starts emerald to soon, how can i start it later when compiz-fusion is done with starting up? |
| 07:59.32 | Quintin | jim: new error: http://pastebin.ca/1006780 |
| 07:59.45 | Quintin | dutchfish: man sleep? |
| 08:00.09 | subzero__ | streuner: How should I change mail-client? What is wrong with old Thunderbird? ) |
| 08:00.16 | dutchfish | Quintin, that would be an option but i dont grasp the order of gnome-sessions |
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| 08:01.23 | Quintin | well wow it started this time! now I just need to install flash in it |
| 08:01.25 | streuner | subzero__: aptitude install <some new mail client>, well, it doesn't support spam filtering (in your words) |
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| 08:03.01 | streuner | subzero__: there are free mail-ISP's which provides some SPAM-filtering in .de (if you don't want change your mailclient) |
| 08:03.12 | subzero__ | streuner: do you know, by any chance, which does? |
| 08:03.25 | streuner | gmx.net |
| 08:03.25 | subzero__ | I mean, email-client |
| 08:03.34 | streuner | sylpheed |
| 08:04.16 | subzero__ | streuner: ok, thanks, I'll check it |
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| 08:04.28 | streuner | via bogofilter |
| 08:04.33 | streuner | !bogofilter |
| 08:04.33 | dpkg | well, bogofilter is a Bayesian spam filter. to be found at bogofilter.sf.net or in the package bogofilter. |
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| 08:06.20 | jim | is it as fake as a bogomip? |
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| 08:08.58 | Bushmills | spam filtering is better done on the server rather than on the client side |
| 08:09.19 | streuner | sure, but you don't want to setup a server now... |
| 08:09.38 | Bushmills | "without downloading" on client side is almost a contradiction, because without downloading, the client doesn't get the chance to look at mail contents |
| 08:10.09 | Bushmills | spam has no magical tag which marks it as such |
| 08:10.18 | streuner | Bushmills: wanna teach him/her to setup a mail-server? Have fun... |
| 08:10.30 | ootput | any of you suggest a dvd/cd burner app that doesn't require too many dependent gnome/kde libs? |
| 08:10.32 | Bushmills | no, there are how-tos for that |
| 08:10.40 | ootput | but with a functional gui that's not too ugly |
| 08:10.58 | streuner | ootput: wodim? |
| 08:11.03 | Bushmills | and not everyone has the prerequisites. |
| 08:11.21 | jescis | ootput, cdrecorder or cdw |
| 08:11.34 | ootput | streuner, jescis: thanks. |
| 08:11.50 | streuner | !wodim |
| 08:11.50 | dpkg | [wodim] a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
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| 08:13.09 | simonrvn | Bushmills, streuner: being able to cd from place to place for instance ;) |
| 08:15.12 | ootput | streuner: do you know of any scripted interface for wodim? |
| 08:15.20 | ootput | streuner: a menulayout, that is |
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| 08:15.37 | nascentmind | hi |
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| 08:15.52 | Bushmills | ootput: graphical frontend? |
| 08:16.11 | streuner | s(he) doesn't want that |
| 08:16.20 | jescis | can't wait to get the Freebsd cd burned |
| 08:16.22 | ootput | Bushmills: ideally it would be run in console |
| 08:16.23 | streuner | no gtk or qt-based one |
| 08:16.26 | nascentmind | after upgrading to lenny it say waiting for filesystem while booting and drops to busybox. After i changed the boot disk to /dev/sda2 instead of /dev/hda2 it works.. why is that? |
| 08:16.39 | HSorgYves_ | morning |
| 08:16.45 | streuner | ootput: so why not learn basic wodim commands then? |
| 08:16.47 | simonrvn | sata drive obviously |
| 08:16.49 | ootput | Bushmills: something like bashburn, if you're familiar with it |
| 08:17.05 | Bushmills | no, i'm not. |
| 08:17.10 | ootput | streuner: I won't be using it personally |
| 08:17.19 | simonrvn | there's burn, which is bashburn i think |
| 08:17.33 | ootput | so it needs to be fairly intuitive, but without the graphical bloat of other ones |
| 08:17.46 | simonrvn | ootput: etch? |
| 08:17.55 | simonrvn | !info burn etch |
| 08:17.58 | simonrvn | !info burn lenny |
| 08:18.00 | dpkg | burn: (Command line Data-CD, Audio-CD, ISO-CD, Copy-CD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.4.3-2.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 08:18.18 | dpkg | burn: (Command line Data-CD, Audio-CD, ISO-CD, Copy-CD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.4.3-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 08:18.18 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.22 | nascentmind | anybody? |
| 08:18.22 | Bushmills | something like that? |
| 08:18.27 | jim | is that like cdrecord |
| 08:18.28 | ootput | Bushmills: yep |
| 08:18.32 | Bushmills | cdw |
| 08:18.35 | simonrvn | ootput: ^^^ |
| 08:18.52 | ootput | simonrvn: yeah. that appears to be python-based though. I'll check it out |
| 08:19.05 | simonrvn | oh, lemme check deps |
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| 08:19.19 | streuner | jim: s(he) needs something which is rather easy to use and support CD/DVD burning only in cli |
| 08:19.28 | ootput | (he) |
| 08:19.35 | simonrvn | yeh, python |
| 08:19.52 | simonrvn | burn: depends on python (>= 2.3), cdrecord (>= 4:2.01+01a01-2), mkisofs (>= 4:2.01+01a01-2), cdrdao, python-pyvorbis, python-eyed3, python-pyao, python-pymad, mpg321 (>= 0.2.10.3) |
| 08:19.56 | yang | cahoot: are you around? |
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| 08:20.07 | ootput | thanks guys. looks like cdw is close to the mark |
| 08:20.18 | simonrvn | cool |
| 08:20.55 | simonrvn | !win Bushmills |
| 08:20.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, Bushmills! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
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| 08:21.13 | Bushmills | great. wanted to emmigrate anyway |
| 08:21.22 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:21.36 | Bushmills | for 2 people? |
| 08:21.54 | nascentmind | can anybody help me with the filesystem problem? |
| 08:22.08 | Supaplex | !fix nascentmind's filesystem |
| 08:22.08 | dpkg | takes nascentmind's filesystem to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 08:22.13 | Supaplex | ewps. |
| 08:22.15 | simonrvn | they're free, and they give out as many as you need |
| 08:22.29 | ootput | jescis: does cd-blanking work fine with cdw interface for you? |
| 08:22.51 | jescis | I never did that personally. |
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| 08:24.47 | jescis | But I'd read the help or man pages or search google before I ask(depends on the situation and me) |
| 08:25.20 | nascentmind | after the upgrade if feel my udev is not upgraded |
| 08:25.37 | streuner | nascentmind: unstable? |
| 08:25.43 | ootput | jescis: wodim appears to blank fine. must be something with the interface. will look into it |
| 08:25.54 | nascentmind | streuner, no from etch to lenny i.e. testing |
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| 08:26.12 | streuner | !etch->lenny |
| 08:26.27 | streuner | !stable->testing |
| 08:26.28 | nascentmind | streuner, many seem to have the same problem but the fixes are very different.. |
| 08:26.32 | streuner | hm |
| 08:27.04 | streuner | what did i wrong or aren't these factoids in dpkg's db? |
| 08:27.06 | nascentmind | streuner, i tried one persons fix where he said change the hda to sda and it will work.. and it works.. but it doesn't make sense to me. |
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| 08:28.45 | ootput | nascentmind: with newer kernels, different drivers for harddrives may be used instead |
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| 08:29.09 | streuner | dpkg, hey! |
| 08:29.09 | dpkg | Hello |
| 08:29.12 | streuner | hm |
| 08:29.16 | ootput | nascentmind: for instance, a generic driver that produced hda nodes may have been made obsolete by a more specific sata driver |
| 08:29.22 | streuner | !listkeys stable->testing |
| 08:29.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stable->testing' by key (4): _default stable->testing ;; stable->testing ;; #debian-bots stable->testing ;; #debian stable->testing. |
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| 08:29.45 | nascentmind | ootput, well so it should update all the devices and stuff right? |
| 08:30.10 | nascentmind | ootput, why does it leave an unusable system to me? |
| 08:30.26 | nascentmind | ootput, atleast i still have my older kernel now.. |
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| 08:33.13 | ootput | i'm not sure |
| 08:33.38 | nascentmind | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/waiting-for-root-file-system...-kernel-ypgrade-452854/page2.html .. the bottom post is the exact problem that i have. |
| 08:33.59 | Sortudo | I have installed my wireless card drivers and its working, but i can not connect, what shoul i do? |
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| 08:34.23 | ootput | Sortudo: how is it 'working'? |
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| 08:34.51 | hellues | hey |
| 08:35.11 | hellues | are there a linux driver for samsung s759 digital camera |
| 08:35.41 | Sortudo | ootput: i find my network name, that is "test" |
| 08:36.02 | streuner | hellues: webcam? |
| 08:36.07 | hellues | no |
| 08:36.11 | ootput | Sortudo: is it serving static or dynamic ips via dhcp? |
| 08:36.15 | hellues | digital camera |
| 08:36.19 | ootput | Sortudo: the wireless router, that is. |
| 08:36.27 | Sortudo | ootput: i useed kwifmanager to find my network |
| 08:36.29 | hellues | photograph machine |
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| 08:36.52 | Sortudo | dinamic with DHCP |
| 08:37.08 | Sortudo | chanel 6 with no security |
| 08:37.09 | hellues | streuner, http://www.featured-reviews.com/digitalcamera/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/img_12622_samsung-s750-zoom1_450x360.jpg |
| 08:37.15 | streuner | look at gphoto2 |
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| 08:37.22 | hellues | gphoto2 |
| 08:37.30 | hellues | is a debian package ? |
| 08:37.33 | streuner | yes |
| 08:38.13 | Bushmills | Sortudo: a. check that you got an ip address. b. check that you can ping the gateway. c. check that route has been set. d. check that the DNs in /etc/resolv.conf is usable. |
| 08:38.20 | Bushmills | DNS |
| 08:38.41 | sergiu | i use debian and ubuntu, and can say that debian better resolve dependencies. |
| 08:38.53 | sergiu | it's smarter |
| 08:39.08 | sergiu | =]] |
| 08:39.40 | Sortudo | Busmille: I got and DhCP erro when runing the wireless configuratin script |
| 08:39.45 | liable | hmm, out package maintainers are probably just better at their jobs :) |
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| 08:41.04 | streuner | hellues: did you try to access the RAM via scsi too? |
| 08:41.21 | Sortudo | <> Configuring throw DHCP ath0: Operation Failed. error. |
| 08:41.50 | streuner | What's the name of the possibility to have acces on the digital camera without using gphoto? |
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| 08:42.08 | streuner | via scsi? |
| 08:42.13 | Bushmills | Sortudo: figure out why it fails, and fix it. |
| 08:42.16 | liable | via scsi? |
| 08:42.30 | liable | streuner: what are you using to configure wifi? |
| 08:42.34 | liable | Sortudo: ^^ |
| 08:43.04 | hellues | streuner, no |
| 08:43.25 | hellues | streuner, |
| 08:43.32 | hellues | i am downloading gphoto2 |
| 08:43.37 | streuner | hellues: ok, according to http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php its not supported |
| 08:43.47 | Sortudo | Bushmills, I am sory, does not understand you last message |
| 08:43.49 | hellues | hmm |
| 08:43.59 | hellues | my camera doesnt support what can ido |
| 08:44.05 | nascentmind | if i change all the hda labels to sda then my old kernel won't boot. |
| 08:44.15 | nascentmind | is there any other easier way to do it? |
| 08:44.24 | ootput | Sortudo: is it possible to manually set the ip for the wireless interface, (netmask gateway ssid channel etc.) to ping the router? |
| 08:44.31 | streuner | hellues: if your camera support scsi-emulation you are fine |
| 08:44.37 | Bushmills | Sortudo: you have all means and information to derive the reason for DHCP failure. We don't. therefore you are in a better position to find ouit what is wrong. |
| 08:44.38 | nascentmind | or atleast make the new kernel see it as hda instead of sda? |
| 08:44.59 | Sortudo | ootput: i think it is possible |
| 08:45.06 | ootput | nascentmind: you could try to see which module is being used for sda recognition, and blacklist that. |
| 08:45.10 | Sortudo | ootput, let me try thet |
| 08:45.27 | nascentmind | ootput, how can i find that out? |
| 08:45.28 | ootput | nascentmind: though, be sure to check if sda is the newer replacement, in which case, forget the old kernel |
| 08:45.38 | Bushmills | Sortudo: you could monitor the interface of DHCP request, with st like tshark. or look at dhcp server config. or set dhcp client to be more verbose. |
| 08:45.52 | nascentmind | ootput, yes its the new replacement because it boots when i change it to sda |
| 08:45.56 | streuner | hellues: /msg dpkg usbstorage |
| 08:47.10 | Sortudo | ootptu: destination host unrricheble to 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:47.12 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.25 | hellues | sorry |
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| 08:48.03 | hellues | oki i understyood |
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| 08:48.09 | hellues | i knıot that method |
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| 08:48.33 | hellues | memory card of digital has vfat filesystem are you sure streuner |
| 08:49.19 | streuner | hellues: yes |
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| 08:51.08 | streuner__ | hellues: the factoid doesn't say anything you "have to" create a FS on that... |
| 08:51.14 | streuner__ | !usbstorage |
| 08:51.15 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 08:52.01 | Sortudo | My wireless light on notebook must be on to these card work? |
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| 08:52.23 | Sortudo | cose the ligth is off |
| 08:52.35 | vslash | hi all, BSD user question : Debian is freshly installed on an external usb hdd, kernel load is ok, but init failed, 'cause root mount failed 'cause /dev/sda doesn't exist ; my question is : is there some time delay to get /dev/sda Ok ? how to change this delay at boot time ? Many thanks |
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| 08:53.35 | HSorgYves | for the apache module evasive, when i specify the log dir, where should i put it on Debian? /var/lock/ mod_evasive? |
| 08:54.11 | cahoot | vslash: you lack a partiton number like sda1? |
| 08:54.13 | jescis | to bad I ccan't kill Xorg on tty7 :/ |
| 08:54.16 | hellues | hahahaha |
| 08:54.22 | vslash | yes |
| 08:54.23 | hellues | my system saw my camera hahaha |
| 08:54.50 | vslash | there's not partition at all, nor sda* drive |
| 08:54.59 | vslash | i think this is just a delay pb. |
| 08:55.20 | nascentmind | vslash, does it say waiting for root filesystem? |
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| 08:55.49 | vslash | i mean, waiting in order dev/sda will appear on /dev |
| 08:55.56 | streuner__ | !congratulate hellues |
| 08:55.56 | dpkg | Nice one hellues, you did it! |
| 08:56.31 | nascentmind | vslash, no i mean was there a message? |
| 08:56.42 | vslash | i'm not sure this is a delay trouble, but i guess it (not a Linux expert at all) |
| 08:57.39 | Bushmills | BSD, not Linux ... |
| 08:58.10 | vslash | init can't find its root, and from (fsram) i don't see any /dev/sda* |
| 08:58.53 | Sortudo | Someone have any other good idea, please? |
| 08:59.06 | Bushmills | vslash: it sounds like it should use hdd1 - but i don't know whether there's something akin to kernel boot parameter boot= in bsd |
| 08:59.11 | Bushmills | sry. root= |
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| 09:00.32 | vslash | how do you start debian from an external drive though ? |
| 09:00.44 | and][ng | how is qemu kernel module called ? |
| 09:00.53 | and][ng | I can't find it in etch |
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| 09:01.29 | Bushmills | vslash: tell your BIOS to boot from that drive? |
| 09:01.45 | maligor | and][ng, you mean kqemu? |
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| 09:02.17 | ddalton | If someone can help me with usb_to_serial please join ##ddalton. Sorry, but I'm blind and it is hard to follow #debian with out braille. |
| 09:02.18 | and][ng | maligor: I mean, and it's not in modules, do I have to use m-a? |
| 09:02.40 | vslash | yes, my BIOS is Ok (i do that with other OS), i use FreeBSD BootMenu, Lilo on Debian partition, Lilo bios ckeck is nice, kernel load is nice, but not way to see /dev/sda |
| 09:02.56 | maligor | and][ng, probably |
| 09:03.09 | Bushmills | vslash: you may want to give label to root partition, and use that in fstab for specifying root partition, especially when device id changes. |
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| 09:04.21 | cahoot | uuid? |
| 09:04.49 | placebo1 | hello |
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| 09:05.55 | vslash | well, i'll try other solution. Many thanks to you, have a nice day. |
| 09:06.06 | placebo1 | miniupnpd, a upnpd daemon, set up a port forward. when I use iptables to list the rules, the line ends like this: udp dpt:5353 to:10.8.15.10:5353-0. I'm wondering what the -0 at the end means since it's not there when I set up forwards by hand. |
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| 09:08.12 | simonrvn | port range? |
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| 09:09.52 | placebo1 | no, the forward is for just one port. |
| 09:10.35 | placebo1 | and ranges show up differently |
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| 09:13.12 | Bushmills | oops .. DRAM pig cycle seems to be at turn around point |
| 09:13.30 | Bushmills | looks like now is a good moment to upgrade RAM |
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| 09:13.45 | and][ng | maligor: I can't find it in m-a list too, I've updated m-a packages |
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| 09:15.04 | Laurenceb | hi, I'm trying to run compiz on ubuntu |
| 09:15.10 | Laurenceb | can anyone help me? |
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| 09:15.20 | HSorgYves | or the apache module evasive, when i specify the log dir, where should i put it on Debian? /var/lock/mod_evasive? |
| 09:15.22 | maligor | and][ng, versions in etch seem to be in non-free |
| 09:15.32 | maligor | and][ng, there are prebuilt modules too in non-free for it |
| 09:15.37 | and][ng | maligor: ah thanks |
| 09:15.40 | valdyn | Laurenceb: there's a #ubuntu channel for a good reason |
| 09:15.41 | and][ng | that'd be great |
| 09:15.51 | Laurenceb | nobody talks to me there |
| 09:16.01 | Laurenceb | thought someone here might help |
| 09:16.01 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 09:16.01 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:16.16 | maligor | sid and testing have the Freeified version of kqemu |
| 09:16.28 | cahoot | Laurenceb: must be a host of howtos on ubuntus site |
| 09:16.32 | and][ng | I prefer stay on etch |
| 09:16.37 | up365 | Laurenceb, #compiz-fusion |
| 09:17.04 | Laurenceb | thanx |
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| 09:19.18 | DawnLight_ | hello. i'm looking at using debian as a system for profesionnal video editors. there are two programs that those people use; adobe premier and avid media composer. both do not work in wine. is there a free way to run them in debian that isn't wine and without using windows? |
| 09:19.41 | valdyn | DawnLight_: use windows. |
| 09:19.55 | valdyn | DawnLight_: or maybe max os x if those tools exist for mac os x |
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| 09:20.38 | and][ng | DawnLight_: why running them in linux ? |
| 09:20.52 | valdyn | DawnLight_: use the right tool for the job. |
| 09:21.03 | and][ng | valdyn: gospel |
| 09:21.04 | DawnLight_ | yes, they do exist for mac os x |
| 09:21.29 | valdyn | and][ng: point being? |
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| 09:22.02 | and][ng | valdyn: that what you said is exactly what I tought, right tool for each job |
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| 09:29.19 | valdyn | !btrfs |
| 09:30.55 | joako | hi , just wanna ask , for a linux book recommendation , my level ,think, im intermediate........anything help thanks |
| 09:31.15 | valdyn | dpkg: btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use. |
| 09:31.15 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 09:31.41 | valdyn | joako: covering which topics? |
| 09:31.52 | valdyn | joako: and coming with which background? unix? windows? |
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| 09:32.38 | joako | im coming from windows-ubuntu.......general topics..... |
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| 09:32.49 | joako | thanx for answer |
| 09:33.09 | ddalton | no one feels like helping/joining me in ##ddalton? |
| 09:33.40 | valdyn | ddalton: thats not how support works in this channel, ask here and get answers here, or not. |
| 09:34.06 | ddalton | well, I'm blind so its impossible to follow with out a braille display since its so busy. |
| 09:34.10 | and][ng | maligor: kqemu device isn't created automatically |
| 09:34.13 | valdyn | joako: general what? debian related? |
| 09:34.29 | XTZGZoReX | Is there a simple command to truncate a file(s) in a dir? |
| 09:34.29 | valdyn | joako: administration has a huge chunk of distro specific stuff |
| 09:34.37 | XTZGZoReX | Without deleting them, that is. |
| 09:34.39 | joako | yes i really would like it debian related |
| 09:34.44 | maligor | and][ng, sure it's not a permission issue? |
| 09:34.46 | valdyn | joako: http://www.amazon.com/Debian-GNU-Linux-3-1-Bible/dp/0764576445 |
| 09:34.59 | jim | joako: |
| 09:35.01 | and][ng | maligor: sure, there's no the device file |
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| 09:35.09 | and][ng | maligor: probably not using udev or so |
| 09:35.12 | jim | so have you explored your file system? |
| 09:35.15 | maligor | I've never used kqemu |
| 09:35.33 | ddalton | as I stated in my first message |
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| 09:35.48 | valdyn | !debian reference |
| 09:35.48 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 09:35.58 | valdyn | joako: or online: ^^ |
| 09:36.03 | and][ng | maligor: oh I missed that one, anyway I just created it and it runs fine |
| 09:36.22 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 09:36.22 | dpkg | hmm... refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 09:37.05 | joako | ok thanx |
| 09:37.08 | jim | joako: you probably don't need a book |
| 09:37.19 | valdyn | i think debian system by martin krafft should be useful |
| 09:37.20 | jim | these online things can help thos |
| 09:38.08 | joako | ok ....to read them |
| 09:38.24 | jim | but two things I think most people should come to be aware of, are... how the file system is laid out (what dirs are in the system, what does the tree look like, what things are in what place) |
| 09:39.01 | valdyn | joako: and dont see a book that could be decent and _also_ up to date |
| 09:39.07 | jim | joako: and you only need cd and ls for that |
| 09:39.08 | valdyn | s/and/I/ |
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| 09:39.46 | jim | joako: do you understand? |
| 09:39.55 | valdyn | jim: im not sure most people can tell what the files are supposed to be grouped by by just "ls" |
| 09:39.59 | joako | yes..... |
| 09:40.22 | jim | valdyn: but it;s a damn good start |
| 09:40.27 | joako | look this one its like general info about linux How Linux Works: What Every Superuser Should Know |
| 09:40.27 | joako | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.45 | joako | have you ever read it? |
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| 09:40.58 | valdyn | joako: the usual problem with general linux books is that they ignore or even tend to teach stuff |
| 09:41.05 | valdyn | joako: that you should never do on debian |
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| 09:41.32 | joako | what do you mean |
| 09:41.53 | valdyn | joako: stuff that conflicts with the policy that only debian package management is allowed to touch certain areas of your system |
| 09:42.27 | jim | well policy applies to packages, not to people using them |
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| 09:43.02 | valdyn | those people tend to break their system |
| 09:43.04 | jim | but he has a point: debian wants to have control over certain areas in your filesystem |
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| 09:43.55 | jim | if you exert control over those areas too, you risk breaking the debian-ness of your system |
| 09:44.31 | jim | but, I have to ask, are you familiar with how your file system is laid out? |
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| 09:45.08 | jim | do you understand the difference between relative pathnames and absolute ones |
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| 09:45.51 | behrad | I want script or solution for autodial a connection. didi any body know that? |
| 09:46.15 | phr3ak | dsl or analog modem? |
| 09:46.16 | Bushmills | behrad: chat |
| 09:46.19 | jim | solution: two parts water, 100 parts salt |
| 09:46.37 | liable | mmm, salty |
| 09:46.38 | behrad | jim, :D |
| 09:46.49 | behrad | Bushmills, chat? |
| 09:47.02 | Bushmills | behrad: chat - Automated conversational script with a modem |
| 09:47.06 | jim | behrad: sure, look into it |
| 09:47.32 | behrad | phr3ak, modem |
| 09:47.36 | jim | also look into minicom, which allows you manual access to the modem so you can develop chat scripts |
| 09:47.40 | valdyn | behrad: what'S the purpose? |
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| 09:48.26 | phr3ak | behrad: http://www.davidpashley.com/articles/wvdial-pppd-dod.html |
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| 09:48.29 | behrad | valdyn, always connect to internet |
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| 09:48.44 | valdyn | behrad: thats done by pppd |
| 09:48.50 | valdyn | behrad: you dont need an extra tool |
| 09:49.12 | valdyn | behrad: pppd does the dialing and the net connection over that modem |
| 09:49.16 | jim | well with some ISPs you might |
| 09:49.41 | valdyn | behrad: it uses chat iirc |
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| 09:50.08 | jim | those would be old, decrepit and worthy of being rolled like a homeless drunk |
| 09:50.21 | jim | but they might exist |
| 09:50.26 | valdyn | behrad: so you just run "pppconfig" to set this up and be done with it |
| 09:51.14 | valdyn | behrad: though for a connection that is not "always on" you might like to use something like wvdial |
| 09:51.22 | jim | but valdyn's solution, while less salty than mine, is absolutely worth trying first |
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| 09:52.07 | jim | how are you connected now? |
| 09:52.11 | and][ng | I need to create a small vm image with xorg and a couple apps (and needed libraries, mainly tcl/tk) is there a specific tool? |
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| 09:57.01 | jim | behrad: how are you connected to the net right now? |
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| 10:20.22 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I have a samba/linux permissions questions. There's /home/share/share. It has the permissions share:share, 775 Bob is part of group, "share". But Bob cannot add/delete/mod any files in that folder. I was wondering are permissions recursive. i.e. Do I also have to make /home/share 775? |
| 10:21.22 | dutchfish | !tell ArtVandalae about umask |
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| 10:22.44 | valdyn | and][ng: vm image? |
| 10:23.11 | dutchfish | ArtVandalae, also read this: http://www.flatmtn.com/article/setting-samba |
| 10:23.21 | valdyn | and][ng: debootstrap, probably |
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| 10:26.24 | dutchfish | ArtVandalae, pay attention to create mode & directory mode |
| 10:29.46 | ArtVandalae | dutchfish, that worked beautifully, thanks. I have no idea why it worked though. I have to figure that out now :) |
| 10:30.11 | dutchfish | ArtVandalae, read on, you will grasp it, took myself some time ;) |
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| 10:32.43 | and][ng | and][ng: yes, an I have to provide a few guys an image (namely VLSI tools) so I tought about building a small live iso or hd image for an emulator |
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| 10:46.37 | timday | Lenny's /etc/X11/xorg.conf no longer contains modules section, so what's procedure these days to stop dri & mesa glx loading (so nvidia driver's get used) ? |
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| 10:47.54 | rhineheart_m | hostname -d >>>>> gives me .com why? |
| 10:47.56 | urv | hi, is there a debian package including the kobjects of the precompiled kernel shipped with debian in order to build my own modules on my system? |
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| 10:48.50 | cahoot | urv: linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
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| 10:51.13 | rhineheart_m | how to make "hostname -d" returns domain.com ? |
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| 10:51.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | setup your /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname correctly |
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| 10:52.08 | dv_ | hi |
| 10:52.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | hostname should be *only* the systems name, hosts should be the format ip hostname.domainname hostname |
| 10:52.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi |
| 10:52.14 | dv_ | if I want gcc 4.3 as default |
| 10:52.17 | dv_ | instead of 4.2.3 |
| 10:52.21 | urv | cahoot: thnx that's it - i thought headers package contains only the headers |
| 10:52.28 | dv_ | I have to edit the symlinks manually, right? |
| 10:53.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | rhineheart_m, eg 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
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| 10:54.22 | rhineheart_m | wow! precise answer.. I'm noting it.. :) |
| 10:54.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 10:56.25 | timday | aha... just found the answer to my own question in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-core/NEWS.Debian.gz... now it's Disable instead of commenting out Load lines |
| 10:56.26 | Cyorxamp | Hi, I think I know the answer to this but I wanna check... Could I play a 64bit game on a the normal x86 version of debian? |
| 10:56.55 | DawnLight_ | hello. i'm looking at using debian + rosegarden as a system for audio editing, an alternative to the common windows xp + pro tools method. does anyone know why debian doesn't have an RT kernel? i've read about studio 64. does anyone have experience with that distro; i'd like to know how much it is compatible with debian because i have a deep trust in debian and i am not sure why the folks at studio 64 had to make their own distro ra |
| 10:57.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Cyorxamp, no |
| 10:57.37 | Cyorxamp | thought so :( |
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| 10:58.03 | dutchfish | DawnLight, this is [partially] solved in 2.6.25, for midi/audio you need at least a low latency desktop, not a RT kernel |
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| 10:58.47 | DawnLight_ | dutchfish: where can i read about this? |
| 10:58.50 | dutchfish | DawnLight, most important timeticks 1000 (kernel recompile) default is 300 |
| 10:59.06 | valdyn | DawnLight_: there is variousdegrees of "RT" kernnels |
| 10:59.12 | valdyn | DawnLight_: debian cant ship all |
| 10:59.33 | xingu | there's various degrees of RT hardware too |
| 10:59.47 | DawnLight_ | debian could ship some, if people were contributing their work to it |
| 10:59.48 | dutchfish | DawnLight, but as i said this is solved with cfq in > 2.6.24 best results in 2.6.25 |
| 10:59.48 | Bushmills | DawnLight, no real time kernel because unix is not a real time OS. there are modules, rtlinux, which sort of convert linux to a real time Os, by basically making the module the Os, and linux a module :) |
| 11:00.08 | Bushmills | DawnLight, you might want to google for Protux |
| 11:00.11 | dutchfish | DawnLight, useing it myself for that purpose |
| 11:00.35 | dutchfish | DawnLight, look also at 64studio |
| 11:01.05 | xingu | if userspace _still_ needs 1kHz jiffie it's doing something wrong. |
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| 11:01.15 | dutchfish | DawnLight, http://64studio.com/ |
| 11:01.38 | dutchfish | xingu, for midi, up to 2.6.23 yes after that no |
| 11:01.49 | Cyorxamp | I'll be honest I use a lenny based distro (same apt repo's) called Dreamlinux - but only on my gaming box, but theres no 64bit editio |
| 11:01.56 | xingu | dutchfish: HPET exists for a reason |
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| 11:02.02 | dutchfish | xingu, yup |
| 11:02.58 | xingu | dutchfish: the _kernel_ ought to be able to be tickless, and in any case SMM-induced skew in anything newer than about oh maybe 1998 is going to mess with the kernel jiffie's brain - and that skew will be amplified as a function of its divisor |
| 11:03.47 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: you cannot |
| 11:03.50 | Bushmills | yes. tickless Os for clockless CPU |
| 11:04.05 | dutchfish | xingu, if am not mistaken from 2.6.24 tickless and HPET with low latency are working as it should be, but before that its a [little] nightmare |
| 11:04.16 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: however you can run your 32-bit distro on a 64-bit kernel and play 64-bit games on that |
| 11:04.54 | Cyorxamp | come again!? |
| 11:04.55 | xingu | dutchfish: good diagnosis; tglx's work (timers rewrite) wasn't merged until 2.6.23 iirc and it's a total crapshoot before then, RT-patches or no |
| 11:05.06 | dutchfish | xingu, yep |
| 11:05.26 | Cyorxamp | valdyn: you mean install my 32bit distro - and just replace the kernel - would do all I need? |
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| 11:06.02 | xingu | dutchfish: there's still way too much variance through the alsa stack itself though, and not all of that is code related (some of the hardware is bogus too) |
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| 11:06.17 | Cyorxamp | valdyn: know of a good guide for that? or am I just running something like apt-get install kernel-whatever-(uname thingy)_x86_64 or something? |
| 11:06.29 | dutchfish | xingu, lots have been then on that too in 2.6.25 preventing memspikes as well |
| 11:06.54 | dutchfish | xingu, but userpsace needs too adept it all, yet |
| 11:07.03 | dutchfish | xingu, it will come |
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| 11:07.29 | xingu | dutchfish: I think most of the audio-reqs. will be hit once userspace stops trying to abuse rtc and jiffie-loops and starts using the hpet api's |
| 11:07.39 | dutchfish | xingu, exactly |
| 11:07.43 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: debian ships 64-bit kernels for 32-bit distro |
| 11:07.50 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: i dont know and dont care about dreamlinux |
| 11:08.09 | Cyorxamp | valdyn: dreamlinux _is_ debian lenny - just a little customized... same testing apt repositories |
| 11:08.26 | dutchfish | xingu, but now my midi station perfers 2.6.25, hyperthreading, HPET and low latency desktop (what a relieve) |
| 11:08.32 | xingu | dutchfish: what's really hilarious is that some platforms appear to implement rtc in SMM - so phase-locking with it is doubly bogus :) |
| 11:08.36 | valdyn | Cyorxamp: apt-cache search linux image amd64 |
| 11:08.36 | Cyorxamp | I'm not one to go for forks like ubuntu, dreamlinux goes on my gaming box only because its err a little more 'whooshy' out of the box :D |
| 11:09.02 | dutchfish | xingu, never beleived in phase locked loops anyway .... |
| 11:09.36 | dutchfish | xingu, unless you are a radio-amateur ;) |
| 11:09.51 | Cyorxamp | true debian goes on my servers, normal pc, work pc., testing box, phone system, etc lol - even the nas drives and my PDA |
| 11:10.04 | xingu | dutchfish: it's got to the point where implementing a windowsly-enough-accurate time-of-day chip is cheaper to do in some smm code poked in from the bios and seeded from bios nvram than by adding a crystal and an actual rtc chip |
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| 11:10.36 | dutchfish | xingu, a add a real hardware random number generator too it too plz |
| 11:11.01 | xingu | dutchfish: heh; well via are still doing those |
| 11:11.10 | dutchfish | xingu, a propos got mersene twister adopted for my AI |
| 11:11.14 | xingu | dutchfish: intel has (infamously) dropped it from their bridge chipset |
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| 11:11.57 | dutchfish | xingu, thrying too get it to run on GPU, not so succesfull so |
| 11:12.02 | xingu | dutchfish: via must have a volume customer I figure for ssl based crypto |
| 11:12.06 | xingu | laughs |
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| 11:12.17 | dutchfish | yes a good laugh |
| 11:12.32 | dutchfish | its hard |
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| 11:12.55 | dutchfish | also wasted my time on compiz compiz-fusion too much |
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| 11:13.14 | dutchfish | ok, ill stop ... you guys talk |
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| 11:14.24 | dutchfish | but anything (hardware) will be better then now for random numbe rgeneration |
| 11:14.36 | pythonic | hi! i have enforcing=1 in the boot line but i get SELinux: Disabled at boot in /var/log/syslog and ps -Z shows no labels.. |
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| 11:14.41 | Neeesat | Hello |
| 11:15.05 | Neeesat | anyone know why I get this error when I try to mount an nfs drive?: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'rpcbind' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
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| 11:15.38 | [Juventino] | hello |
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| 11:18.03 | rhineheart_m | is this correct? if MX record is mail.domain.com and the /etc/hosts is IP server.domain.com server IT SHOULD BE CHANGED to IP mail.domain.com mail ? |
| 11:18.15 | [Juventino] | I'm trying to install nvidia's driver on ETCH4, but everytime i try to do so, it gives me an error about the Kerenel's source |
| 11:18.20 | [Juventino] | how can i fix that? |
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| 11:18.48 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, MX mail.domain.tld & x.x.x.x A mail.domain.com |
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| 11:19.58 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, I can't get your x.x.x.x A mail.domain.com |
| 11:20.23 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, you need to create a adress record for your MX ref mail.domain.tld |
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| 11:21.23 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, or if it refers to another DNS server, at least it must exist |
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| 11:22.21 | rcbarnes | I have spent more time than I'd like to admit in the blasted sudo & sudoers manpages, but I cannot figure out why I can't get passwordless commands to work. I have the line 'clay ALL= NOPASSWD:POWER, NETWORK, INSTALL, DEBSUMS, FIND, MOUNTALL, TWCLI' in my sudoers file, and visudo doesn't complain about anything when I save/close sudoers, so I know my syntax is correct. What else might be the issue? |
| 11:22.40 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, I got ths mail.domain.tld IP .....but my problem is.. it will give me bounce email with this error: Relay access denied |
| 11:23.02 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, SMTP port is already open |
| 11:23.27 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, thats not a DNS problem, but a mailserver problem or your MTA isnt configured to accept for this domain |
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| 11:24.25 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, I am using postfix actually. I might messed up somewhere there.. hope you have an idea about this issue |
| 11:24.40 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, but check if dig -t MX domain.tld and dig -x domain.tld configured correctly first |
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| 11:26.10 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, check for instance relay_domains = $mydestination |
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| 11:26.45 | sobersabre | hi guys. I want to install an internal ftp server. there are several, I need the fastest with the lowest mem/cpu overhead. |
| 11:26.50 | dante_2core | rcbarnes, your problem still there? |
| 11:26.53 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, if its a relay check $tansport_maps |
| 11:26.56 | sobersabre | which do you recommend ? |
| 11:27.13 | rcbarnes | dante_2core: yup |
| 11:27.17 | sobersabre | [bsd,wu,... what else ?] |
| 11:27.47 | dante_2core | rcbarnes, I have lines with the following syntax in the file: <username> ALL= NOPASSWD: /path/to/command -options |
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| 11:28.11 | dante_2core | rcbarnes, maybe you need to define commands specifically? |
| 11:28.16 | rhineheart_m | BTW what to check in dig -t MX domain.tld and dig -x domain.tld :) |
| 11:28.27 | rcbarnes | dante_2core: I'll play with it some more |
| 11:28.36 | dante_2core | rcbarnes, ok, good luck |
| 11:28.45 | rcbarnes | but I just felt the leading edge of a migraine so I have to run *now* |
| 11:28.47 | rcbarnes | :-( |
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| 11:28.54 | dante_2core | wo |
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| 11:29.03 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 11:29.14 | sobersabre | sh1te.. hope it finishes quicker than you expect. |
| 11:29.15 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, dig -x gives me local IP...while dig -t is the mail.domain.tld |
| 11:29.21 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, if the dig -t A mail.domain.tld gives the ip of YOUR mailserver and if dig -x properly reverse dns |
| 11:29.54 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, and check this at a CLIENT not the server itself |
| 11:30.47 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, where to check the relay_domains = $mydestination ? |
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| 11:31.49 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, main.cf ... it should point to your hashed table for transportmaps (wich you of coarse have created) |
| 11:32.04 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, man postmap |
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| 11:32.24 | Jenika | Why are there 21 cd iso images? do i need them all or something? if not, how do i choose which? |
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| 11:32.59 | pythonic | Jenika: which desktop do you want? |
| 11:33.07 | Jenika | gnome |
| 11:33.31 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, can't find the line relay_domains = $mydestination there in main.cf |
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| 11:33.58 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, is it a relay? |
| 11:34.03 | valdyn | Jenika: you get only the first and install any other package that you need from the net |
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| 11:34.17 | valdyn | Jenika: or even just the netinstall cd |
| 11:34.25 | Jenika | thank you |
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| 11:35.09 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, what do you mean "is it a relay"? |
| 11:35.30 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, did you configure it as relay or as an endpoint? |
| 11:35.40 | Jenika | what is the purpose of 2 through 21? packages that are also available on the net? |
| 11:35.52 | valdyn | Jenika: yes |
| 11:36.17 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, I'm using virtualmin actually... before it works fine.. I just don't know what config I messed up :( |
| 11:36.37 | valdyn | Jenika: 2 thru 21 aren't needed by many people at all |
| 11:36.54 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, yeah a relay. I remember. I will try another address |
| 11:37.05 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, you better of by understanding what you are doing .... |
| 11:37.05 | valdyn | Jenika: just for people with slow or no internet who buy debian |
| 11:37.14 | Jenika | ah |
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| 11:37.53 | valdyn | Jenika: also useless for people with dvd drive |
| 11:37.57 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, http://wiki.sharlaan.net/us:howto:postfix:debian |
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| 11:38.45 | Jenika | In the distributions of linux i have tried, the ones i liked all happened to be based on debian. seems logical for me to try it yes? |
| 11:38.47 | dutchfish | looks at the book of postfix |
| 11:39.02 | valdyn | Jenika: no? |
| 11:39.15 | valdyn | Jenika: what's your logic? |
| 11:39.29 | Jenika | Debian = root of goodness? |
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| 11:40.05 | valdyn | i havent tried eating appletree roots, so what do i know ;) |
| 11:40.12 | valdyn | Jenika: go ahead... |
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| 11:40.29 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, I am using another yahoomail account sending to different user with endpoint.. it gives me this error: user unknown in virtual alias table |
| 11:40.39 | Jenika | valdyn: is it a bad assumption to make? |
| 11:40.48 | valdyn | Jenika: nah, you got a point |
| 11:40.51 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, well, you should have a clue about that .... |
| 11:41.41 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, the clue is user doesn't exist in virtual alias table.. well, the question is.. how do I check if it is there? |
| 11:42.11 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, set it up accordingly, it also can mean the box doesnt exist |
| 11:42.20 | valdyn | !debian love |
| 11:42.26 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 11:42.26 | dpkg | from memory, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 11:42.29 | valdyn | ah |
| 11:42.30 | valdyn | thanks |
| 11:42.35 | Bushmills | there exists even a manpage "man virtual" |
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| 11:43.09 | moshii | surely that should be UNIX-like operating systems or similar opposed to "linux" |
| 11:43.10 | Bushmills | better, man 5 virtual |
| 11:43.39 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, the link you gave me don't work |
| 11:44.14 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 11:45.02 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, i dont want to be rude, but please you definitely need some firm reading baout this topic |
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| 11:45.38 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, virtualmin isnt the way |
| 11:46.39 | and][ng | !debootstrap |
| 11:46.39 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 11:46.40 | valdyn | dutchfish: what is he wanting that isnt done by dpkg-reconfigure postfix ? |
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| 11:47.12 | dutchfish | valdyn, a basic relay setup, but he bogused it with virtualmin |
| 11:47.23 | Bushmills | adding recipients to virtual isn;t done by dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 11:47.45 | moshii | purge and start again.. :) |
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| 11:48.24 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 11:48.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 11:48.35 | milligan_ | To the people that tried to help me get my nvidia driver up and running yesterday .. I got it working. |
| 11:49.15 | moshii | dutchfish: all "control panels" are awful, not just webmin |
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| 11:49.28 | dutchfish | moshii, ;) |
| 11:49.45 | moshii | if you can't run a server without one, you should consider finding another job.. ;) |
| 11:49.48 | Bushmills | lol, |
| 11:50.02 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, what do you mean I bogused it with virtualmin? Actually.. the rumour was based on the old presumptions.. like not well supported by the developer.. but it is not that way anymore nowadays.. |
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| 11:50.21 | fde | Hello, could anyone please enlighten me as to what exactly is occuring when I type 'apt-get -s install gstreamer0.10-plugins-[ugly,bad]' (note it's simulated, so won't actually result in any packages being installed or removed) |
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| 11:50.25 | Bushmills | in one of three cases i found, on machines which did some sort of botnet attack, the one or other web configurator on their port 80 :) |
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| 11:50.38 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, no panel can make you actually UNDERSTAND what you are doing, thats what I ment |
| 11:50.47 | Bushmills | just yesterday, examining an attacker showed the default "plesk" login page |
| 11:50.55 | valdyn | fde: run "echo gstreamer0.10-plugins-[ugly,bad]" |
| 11:51.11 | Bushmills | i wonder whether machines being part of botnets and admin frontends are somehow related |
| 11:51.23 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, the ironie is, when you come to understanding you dont wnat panels anymore |
| 11:51.28 | fde | valdyn: that returns exactly what is typed, however the results from apt and from terminal differ rather greatly... |
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| 11:52.13 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, yeah I know that.. But it is not a good thought to consider using the term "bogus" in such case. Unless you mean it otherwise |
| 11:52.19 | moshii | Bushmills: botnets are windows machines, not usually badly configured dedi's/vps's |
| 11:52.20 | fde | valdyn: (as that isn't true regex, I simply mistyped {foo,bar} and got this result) |
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| 11:52.41 | Bushmills | moshii: the box i looked at yesterday was a linux box |
| 11:52.46 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, i have myself to often in past messed up things with those panels (good or bad) |
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| 11:53.11 | moshii | Bushmills: ssh attacks? |
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| 11:53.25 | Bushmills | moshii: link spam injector |
| 11:53.50 | valdyn | fde: abc] is any of a or b or c |
| 11:54.03 | fde | valdyn: For me, it seems to result in {foo,bar}-* |
| 11:54.05 | valdyn | fde: no idea why its allowing anything to come after any of those 3 letters |
| 11:54.16 | dutchfish | moshii, also > 2% of the botnets are linux based (look at bothunter's pages) |
| 11:54.20 | valdyn | fde: [abc] is any of a or b or c |
| 11:54.24 | moshii | Bushmills: mmm, broken !windows boxes are generally used from better things ;) |
| 11:54.27 | unop | fde, appears to be the same as sudo apt-get -s install "gstreamer0.10-plugins-[ugly|bad]" |
| 11:54.36 | moshii | dutchfish: running as control servers or something? |
| 11:54.39 | fde | valdyn: I see it returning -dbg and -doc packages in this particular case... |
| 11:54.46 | dutchfish | moshii, no, i meant the zmobies |
| 11:54.48 | unop | fde, but {foo,bar}.* is not a valid regex, not even to apt-get |
| 11:54.56 | valdyn | fde: i guess as soon as it finds that what you are using is a regex it just does a substring match |
| 11:54.57 | dutchfish | s/zmobies/zombies |
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| 11:56.45 | dutchfish | moshii, http://www.cyber-ta.org/pubs/botHunter-final7.pdf |
| 11:56.49 | Bushmills | in fact, my first exposure to BSD was trying to "unlock" a server/router/gateway with a disappeared admin. didn't take long - there was webmin installed :) |
| 11:56.52 | fde | valdyn: unop: Thanks, I guess I'll play some more, and see if I can think of a valid use for this result... |
| 11:57.07 | valdyn | fde: you could use the terminator $ i think |
| 11:57.11 | moshii | takes a look |
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| 11:57.39 | fde | valdyn: I'm not really asking how to accomplish something, I'm asking why a typo resulted in what happened... |
| 11:57.59 | valdyn | fde: yea i know |
| 11:58.15 | valdyn | fde: but that shows why it pulled -doc |
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| 11:58.29 | unop | fde, something like this. sudo apt-get install "xfonts-cronyx-koi8r-[75,100]dpi" |
| 11:59.05 | valdyn | unop: no workee |
| 11:59.13 | fde | valdyn: Could you give an example use, I'm not particularly familiar with regex |
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| 11:59.49 | valdyn | fde: apt-get install foo-[abc] installs foo-a and also foo-abar or foo-axxxxx |
| 11:59.59 | valdyn | fde: or foo-bxxxxx |
| 12:00.15 | dutchfish | moshii, i hope someday bothunter will be in debian |
| 12:00.21 | valdyn | fde: apt-get install foo-[abc]$ will only install foo-a and foo-b and foo-c |
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| 12:01.44 | valdyn | fde: and apt-get install foo-[a,]$ would match foo-a and foo-, |
| 12:01.51 | valdyn | fde: not sure what is unclear now |
| 12:01.56 | moshii | dutchfish: I hope some day people will stop giving spam etc a reason to exist.. i.e. not be stupid enough to buy stuff from them :( |
| 12:02.01 | fde | valdyn: ahh, I understand... that still doesn't explain, for instance: sudo apt-get -s install gstreamer0.10-[plugins,ffmpeg] |
| 12:02.12 | dutchfish | moshii, yes, but till then, i love bothunter |
| 12:02.15 | fde | valdyn: Note gstreamer0.10-sdl amoungst other results here... |
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| 12:02.40 | valdyn | fde: sure,because s is contained in [plugins,ffmpeg] |
| 12:02.45 | fde | valdyn: Unless you're saying it's returning them due to the s in plugins? |
| 12:02.52 | valdyn | fde: exactly |
| 12:02.53 | fde | valdyn: ahh... gotcha... ok thanks |
| 12:03.09 | valdyn | fde: the , is just a char, not a seperator here |
| 12:03.29 | moshii | dutchfish: be interesting if they could integrate their work into something like ntop |
| 12:03.41 | fde | valdyn: Thanks for the clarification :) |
| 12:04.03 | dutchfish | moshii, maybe, but it need some special thing for IDS |
| 12:04.25 | dutchfish | moshii, i am expirimenting with it |
| 12:04.57 | moshii | dutchfish: from a sys admins point of view,.. being able to see which machines are infected before worse stuff starts to happen |
| 12:05.08 | dutchfish | moshii, :) |
| 12:05.29 | Bushmills | moshii: the fewer people buy, the more spam will be sent to win the few buyers |
| 12:05.56 | valdyn | Bushmills: thats just your own economical theory |
| 12:06.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, but that is only part of it, not all botnets have spam purpose |
| 12:06.30 | moshii | Bushmills: survey people before they get an internet connection.. Are you a facebook user? if yes deny |
| 12:06.36 | Bushmills | dutchfish: i didn't claim that it was |
| 12:06.46 | dutchfish | Bushmills, no you didnt |
| 12:06.51 | fde | Bushmills: That assums spam actually causes people to buy things. |
| 12:07.28 | dutchfish | Bushmills, well, in this case the granmom example applies .... |
| 12:07.34 | moshii | fde: someone must buy stuff from spam or get done over with phishing otherwise there wouldn't be so much of it |
| 12:07.45 | Bushmills | fde. if one in one millions buys, that's enough |
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| 12:08.47 | Bushmills | so if there's only one in 10 million ... what would be the consequence? no more spam? |
| 12:08.57 | valdyn | Bushmills: spamming is not free |
| 12:09.09 | valdyn | Bushmills: as soon as cost outweighs gain, no more spam |
| 12:09.12 | fde | moshii: I think advertising only causes people to be aware... they already wanted what you're selling if they buy though... |
| 12:09.31 | f00li5h | valdyn: if you're doing it with other people's resources, it is free |
| 12:09.37 | valdyn | f00li5h: no |
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| 12:09.52 | dutchfish | well, this is all offtopic (pointing to #debian-offtopic) ;) |
| 12:09.53 | moshii | f00li5h: they still have to get someone to put the botnet together |
| 12:09.58 | f00li5h | as far as I know, theft has a really low cost of ownership |
| 12:10.14 | valdyn | f00li5h: you still have to steal |
| 12:10.25 | f00li5h | i don't have to, i just do it for fun |
| 12:10.33 | Bushmills | valdyn: one botnetted machine is somewhere between 30cents and 1$ per hour, and tarives are coming down. |
| 12:10.38 | fde | dutchfish: This channel rarely sticks to a technical topic unless an op starts noticing people not getting helped, or if it becomes inappropriate... |
| 12:10.48 | dmnd | hehe |
| 12:10.56 | dutchfish | fde, ok thank you |
| 12:10.58 | dmnd | then you're banned |
| 12:10.59 | dmnd | ;) |
| 12:11.40 | moshii | at least it has something to do with "computers", I've seen a lot worse here |
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| 12:12.12 | fde | has seen ops +m a channel and +v the person being helped to ensure they get the help |
| 12:12.23 | dutchfish | well botnets, cybercrime and not to forget terrorism are heavy topics |
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| 12:12.36 | gladideg | anyone experienced this error: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0806f058 *** ? |
| 12:12.42 | jescis | I'm in the process of removing X11 and all dependancies. Good or bad? |
| 12:13.01 | moshii | dutchfish: downling mp3's and movies are the root cause of terrorism, not spam ;) |
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| 12:13.11 | valdyn | jescis: good for what? |
| 12:13.13 | dutchfish | moshii, could be |
| 12:13.21 | fde | jescis: neither, unless you were planning on keeping X? Just don't use --purge else it'll be a pita to get X working in the future again. |
| 12:13.34 | moshii | gladideg: yes, you'll need to tell us what app it is etc, otherwise your question means nothing. |
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| 12:14.11 | gladideg | moshii ok. I run MP4Box, which hints mpeg4 movies for streaming. This error comes when the hinting is at 99% and is about to save the file |
| 12:14.46 | gladideg | is applies certain code to a mpeg file on the server, but errors out when it's about to write it out |
| 12:14.59 | moshii | gladideg: doesn't seem to be in debian? you've built it yourself? |
| 12:15.01 | dutchfish | gladideg, etch 2.6.18-6? |
| 12:15.23 | gladideg | 2.6.18-8 |
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| 12:15.34 | jescis | fde, ever since I installed debian X never did anything. I got X in working order when I've install ubuntu but not debian |
| 12:15.34 | gladideg | it's debian |
| 12:15.45 | gladideg | moshii, debian virtualized on xen |
| 12:16.06 | moshii | gladideg: you have the xen libc installed? |
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| 12:17.02 | gladideg | moshii, only executing the script through php/www-data gives that error. If i run it manually with root access, it works fine |
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| 12:17.34 | gladideg | moshii, even a subdomain with same settings, and directory structure, can run the script from php/www-data without any problems. |
| 12:17.45 | DirkGently | apart from using samba, is there a better way to serve media files from a Windows box to my Debian laptop? |
| 12:18.03 | moshii | gladideg: running on the same files? |
| 12:18.23 | moshii | DirkGently: plently of ftp servers for windows |
| 12:18.32 | gladideg | moshii, it's a clone of a working setup, but of course, with new directory structures and pointers etc. |
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| 12:18.50 | gladideg | I can't figure out why this error comes, when all outputs points to existing dir's |
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| 12:19.34 | DirkGently | moshii: hmm... I was thinking along the lines of http, I guess sftp would work too |
| 12:20.16 | moshii | gladideg: those sort of things happen when a: a program is buggy, b: you have some library missmatch, c: it was compiled with too many stupid options and produced duff code |
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| 12:20.35 | donald_ | i cannot seem to see my computer when browsing bluetooth places from my phone. |
| 12:20.36 | unlink | how do i control what time anacron jobs get run? |
| 12:20.45 | dutchfish | gladideg, could it be related to a lack of resources, have you setup enough swap space, wich version of libc6-xen, how much mem on dom-U? |
| 12:20.45 | _danilo | anuyone here know how i can set a network interface that the virtual machine can use? beacuse i have 3 nic on my pc ? |
| 12:20.47 | gladideg | moshii, i think I found the error... It is caused by user rights etc. |
| 12:20.52 | moshii | DirkGently: well, you answered your own question then really. |
| 12:21.01 | _danilo | on xen |
| 12:21.14 | gladideg | dutchfish, it should be enough... it's almost a dedicated server and up to date with the latest |
| 12:21.22 | dutchfish | gladideg, ok |
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| 12:22.08 | moshii | gladideg: you sure you have the xen glibc package installed? |
| 12:22.37 | gladideg | libc6-xen package? |
| 12:22.47 | gladideg | like dutchfish mentioned? |
| 12:22.52 | donald_ | anyone here can help me out setting up bluetooth? |
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| 12:22.57 | dutchfish | !info libc6-xen etch |
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| 12:23.19 | dpkg | libc6-xen: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [Xen version]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 1096 kB, Installed size: 2488 kB |
| 12:23.25 | gladideg | moshii, wow somehow it wasn't. I must have missed it |
| 12:23.26 | moshii | gladideg: I also mentioned it right at the start ;) |
| 12:23.35 | gladideg | assumptions sucks |
| 12:23.37 | gladideg | ;) |
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| 12:24.06 | Lethalman | hello |
| 12:24.08 | gladideg | still get the error. And btw, It's not caused by user rights as I first thought |
| 12:24.16 | Lethalman | i would like to try enlightenment, but without the live cd |
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| 12:24.20 | Lethalman | now i have gnome |
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| 12:24.33 | Lethalman | i've seen a package in unstable but i don't know if it's e16 or e17 |
| 12:24.42 | Lethalman | che version is a bit weird to me |
| 12:24.44 | Lethalman | *the |
| 12:24.45 | moshii | gladideg: doublefree would mean the prog was calling free() twice, which it shouldn't.. |
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| 12:25.06 | gladideg | moshii, ok |
| 12:25.48 | moshii | gladideg: you could also check dmesg, some stuff from xen can pop up |
| 12:25.49 | Bushmills | unlink: you don't, apart from when anacron is executed by cron. |
| 12:25.56 | dutchfish | gladideg, wich package exactly caused that error and what version? |
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| 12:26.33 | gladideg | moshii: yes |
| 12:26.35 | abrotman | !info enlightenment sid |
| 12:26.53 | gladideg | dutchfish: MP4Box - GPAC version 0.4.4 |
| 12:26.58 | Bushmills | unlink: for executing on specific times, you have them executed by cron |
| 12:27.04 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.7.2-5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 392 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 12:27.06 | gladideg | dutchfish, as I read on, There may be some issues with GPAC |
| 12:27.13 | Bushmills | i.e. on specific times *only* |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | it says 16 |
| 12:27.29 | unlink | Bushmills: if i have anacron installed, when do things in /etc/cron.daily/ get run? |
| 12:27.48 | lord_rob | Hi ! I can't start an X app as root with the MIT-magic cookie trick. I have created the temporary user test with password test. I use export XAUTHORITY=/home/test/.Xauthority but it still doesn't work ... Any idea why ? |
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| 12:28.05 | Bushmills | unlink: either at the time given in /etc/crontab, or at a time anacron finds it suitable when it couldn't execute it at the time given there |
| 12:28.25 | lord_rob | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 12:28.48 | cahoot | lord_rob: not even if you use sux? |
| 12:28.49 | FordCortina | i just suddenly lost a speaker channel, im sure its not the speaker because ive swapped my speakers and they both work |
| 12:28.54 | FordCortina | ive tried headphones |
| 12:28.57 | unlink | Bushmills: my /etc/crontab only checks that anacron is present |
| 12:29.03 | FordCortina | everythings coming out of the right speaker |
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| 12:29.11 | lord_rob | cahoot: what's sux ? |
| 12:29.19 | Bushmills | unlink: and behind the || ? |
| 12:29.20 | moshii | FordCortina: the jack isnt broken? |
| 12:29.22 | cahoot | aptitude show sux |
| 12:29.39 | moshii | FordCortina: or youve muted one of the channels or something... looked at alsamixer? |
| 12:29.40 | milligan_ | Would installing a new "linux-image" require me to recompile the nvidia driver ? |
| 12:29.44 | FordCortina | moshii: the jack on the card could have suddenly broken.... maybe |
| 12:29.49 | SeveredC1oss | milligan_: Generally, yes. |
| 12:29.54 | FordCortina | moshii: i havent forced it or anything |
| 12:29.55 | unlink | Bushmills: aha. it's in /etc/cron.d/anacron |
| 12:30.00 | SeveredC1oss | Because the driver includes a kernel module, AFAIK. |
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| 12:30.07 | gladideg | dutchfish, moshii: If I run the script like "MP4Box /home/usr1/file.mp4" it works fine. But "MP4Box /home/usr2/file.mp4" gives that error. |
| 12:30.40 | unlink | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 12:31.01 | moshii | gladideg: usr1 and usr2 have different perms? |
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| 12:31.31 | dutchfish | gladideg, is the script asuming sudoers ? |
| 12:31.39 | gladideg | dutchfish: no |
| 12:31.46 | gladideg | moshii: 2 sec, should be same perms for everyone |
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| 12:31.54 | FordCortina | moshii: i dont see anything in alsa mixer that has been muted |
| 12:31.59 | gladideg | it's not users in tht sence, it's just different folders for different urls |
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| 12:32.38 | lostson | what is up with iceweasel locking on any site with flash |
| 12:32.50 | dutchfish | gladideg, is /home the right place for that, is apache2 configured for that, do you use suxec? |
| 12:33.08 | dutchfish | s.suxec/suexec |
| 12:33.20 | lord_rob | cahoot: actually no (I suppose set mit-magic-cookie for my user automatically but thanks for pointing that out btw) |
| 12:33.46 | cahoot | lord_rob: sudo would do too |
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| 12:33.52 | gladideg | dutchfish, the site works perfectly. The location of www is : /home/www/site1, site2 etc. |
| 12:34.07 | gladideg | running MP4Box on site 2 gives error. |
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| 12:34.21 | dutchfish | gladideg, apache2 as default www-data and usphp i suppose? |
| 12:34.27 | cahoot | lord_rob: err - disregard, misunderstood your input |
| 12:34.28 | gladideg | dutchfish, yes |
| 12:34.29 | dutchfish | s/usphp/suphp |
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| 12:34.46 | lord_rob | cahoot: I don't like using sudo, that's a matter of taste |
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| 12:35.03 | dutchfish | gladideg, mm... first impression -> rights |
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| 12:35.26 | gladideg | dutchfish, yes. there should be no other reason... But I've checked everything... starting to headace :P |
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| 12:36.05 | dutchfish | gladideg, default php.ini ? safe-mode off? |
| 12:36.15 | gladideg | dutchfish: it's on. |
| 12:36.28 | gladideg | dutchfish: slightly edited php.ini |
| 12:36.35 | solar_sea | Help. After upgrading my i386 lenny it won't boot anymore. Lilo runs, loads the kernel and then says that i cannot find a root filesystem. what could be wrong ? (i'm writing this through a live cd) |
| 12:37.07 | dutchfish | gladideg, i dont know mp4box but i would try safemode off first to see what happens |
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| 12:38.35 | dutchfish | gladideg, and check phpinfo() on both sides if there are any clues (in script) |
| 12:38.49 | dutchfish | s/sides/sites |
| 12:38.49 | gladideg | dutchfish: yes thanks |
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| 12:39.26 | gbear | hello? |
| 12:40.02 | gbear | anyone arund and active today? |
| 12:40.15 | Bakkal | hi gbear |
| 12:40.53 | gbear | hello Bakkal |
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| 12:41.23 | gbear | Wanted to make sure trillian was working correctly with IRC channels... not used the client with IRC befre |
| 12:41.59 | jescis | irssi couldn't find freenode :/ I wonder if it's related to me killing the X11 packages :/ |
| 12:42.01 | Bakkal | well, it works I guess |
| 12:42.30 | Bakkal | can you guys help me out with flash on iceweasel, I installed flashplugin-nonfree, but still... |
| 12:44.02 | milligan_ | Bakkal, visit a site that requires flash, press the small dropdown, and it will autoinstall. |
| 12:44.13 | Bakkal | hmm |
| 12:44.40 | gbear | ok, so I have question... I'm a new debian user so I apologize ahead of time but I'm trying to get a wpc54g pcmcia card to work with my debian etch install and have heard rumors that you no longer have to use ndiswrapper... anyone know anyway to make this happen? (wpc54g card is a broadcom driver) |
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| 12:46.06 | and][ng | is there a debian tool to create a live iso? |
| 12:46.44 | cloakable | gbear: I have a broadcom card, and while I'm not sure it's the same for the PCMCIA card, all I did was put the right firmware into /lib/firmware |
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| 12:47.00 | gbear | claokable... which firmware did you use? |
| 12:47.16 | gbear | I've heard that broadcom drivers are a pain... :-/ |
| 12:47.20 | cloakable | !bcm43xx | gbear |
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| 12:47.54 | cloakable | gbear: the broadcom driver works pretty well for me |
| 12:48.12 | dvs | cloakable: but was it hard to set up? |
| 12:48.39 | cloakable | dvs: I have a tar file of the firmware :P |
| 12:48.48 | Bakkal | milligan_: I have another problem, I have a 1680x1050 monitor, I installed 915resolution and set the mode, doesn't work, what else can I try |
| 12:48.51 | dvs | thief! ;-) |
| 12:49.12 | JyZyXEL | whats this Perforce? |
| 12:49.33 | cloakable | dvs: So a simple matter of extracting it on install ;) |
| 12:49.34 | milligan_ | Bakkal, Did you try to let debian set the resolution automaticly? That worked on my monitor. |
| 12:49.38 | Bakkal | milligan_: on Fedora I got it working, but I got this problem on debian and solaris |
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| 12:49.53 | cloakable | then configuring as a normal wireless card |
| 12:49.55 | Bakkal | milligan_: how do I set it automatically? |
| 12:50.11 | milligan_ | Bakkal, you're running gnome, right ? |
| 12:50.15 | Bakkal | yes |
| 12:50.23 | dvs | cloakable: on an eth? interface? |
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| 12:50.43 | milligan_ | Bakkal, Desktop - Prefferences - Screen Resolution |
| 12:50.44 | cloakable | dvs: yup |
| 12:50.57 | milligan_ | Bakkal, select the screen you are having problems with, then set the size to "Auto" |
| 12:51.13 | cloakable | dvs: eth1 on my box :) |
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| 12:51.50 | Bakkal | milligan_: there is no auto in this, and max is 1600x1200, but no 1680x1050, I forced the 1680x1050 using some params from a working xorg.conf(on fedora) |
| 12:52.09 | milligan_ | Bakkal, ah .. one sec.. nvidia card? |
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| 12:52.38 | Bakkal | milligan_: Intel integrated graphics, either 915 or 815 GM, is there a way I can take the drivers from fedora n d try them out on debian? |
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| 12:53.12 | milligan_ | Bakkal, doubt it ... none that I know of anyway. There should be drivers for debian though. |
| 12:54.05 | Bakkal | I noticed this problem on Solaris and Debian (with the use of 915resolution), but Fedora got it right, Fedora must have better drivers for my chip perhaps? |
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| 12:55.32 | milligan_ | Possibly .. I wouldn't have thought so though. |
| 12:55.52 | Bakkal | milligan_: I found a howto, wil try it out :) |
| 12:56.21 | milligan_ | Bakkal, maybe this would be of help http://intellinuxgraphics.org/user.html |
| 12:57.06 | milligan_ | Maybe not. |
| 12:57.12 | milligan_ | needs to read before linking |
| 12:57.19 | Bakkal | lol |
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| 12:59.07 | SeveredCross | Bah. Perl's breaking everything. |
| 12:59.31 | SeveredCross | Bakkal: Check the Xorg versions between the two. |
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| 12:59.35 | SeveredCross | And the kernel versions. |
| 12:59.37 | milligan_ | Bakkal, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/74172-updating-2-6-3-1-a-3.html <- someone got it working here. |
| 12:59.41 | bjwebb | in aptitude search |
| 12:59.42 | bjwebb | i is installed, p is not installed, v is virtual, what exactly is c? |
| 13:00.05 | dvs | bjwebb: config files left behind |
| 13:00.30 | bjwebb | dvs: how to i get rid of them? |
| 13:00.42 | dvs | bjwebb: dpkg -P |
| 13:01.51 | bjwebb | ah, thankyou very much |
| 13:01.56 | dvs | np |
| 13:02.31 | Bakkal | SeveredCross: do I check X's version? |
| 13:02.43 | SeveredCross | On Debian, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
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| 13:02.54 | SeveredCross | On Fedora, I haven't the foggiest. |
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| 13:03.02 | SeveredCross | Maybe rpm -i xorg or something like that. |
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| 13:03.41 | SeveredCross | Never used an RPM-based system extensively (used SuSE for about 2-3 weeks before I got annoyed with how slow it was, amongst other things). |
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| 13:05.18 | cjzjm100 | Hi guys,i had install the mplayer from repo,and i had puted codecs file named all-20071007 into the /usr/lib/codecs,however i still can't see the rmvb files.i can hear the sounds,but can't see the video.why? |
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| 13:05.54 | Bakkal | alright guys, killing X.. |
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| 13:06.26 | Jenika | i'm used to being able to run a file in terminal by typing ./<filename> |
| 13:06.26 | Jenika | how do i do it in debian? |
| 13:06.37 | valdyn | Jenika: the same way |
| 13:06.37 | SeveredCross | Jenika: That works in any distribution using Bash. |
| 13:06.41 | SeveredCross | Or zsh. |
| 13:06.45 | Laona | opening a terminal |
| 13:06.45 | SeveredCross | Or ksh. Pretty sure every shell does that. |
| 13:06.52 | Laona | applications menu |
| 13:06.54 | Laona | first item |
| 13:07.11 | Jenika | it said no such file or directory when i tried |
| 13:07.20 | SeveredCross | Jenika: Are you in the directory that the file is in? |
| 13:07.23 | dvs | Jenika: what are the permissions onthe file? |
| 13:07.37 | Jenika | it's a .run file on a cd |
| 13:07.37 | SeveredCross | dvs: I think it says permission denied if it's not executable. |
| 13:07.48 | SeveredCross | Hmm... |
| 13:07.52 | dvs | SeveredCross: what if the file is not readable? |
| 13:07.53 | Bushmills | Jenika: is the file which you want to execute actually in the current directory? |
| 13:07.56 | SeveredCross | dvs: Touche. |
| 13:08.04 | valdyn | Jenika: paste the output of "mount" on a paste site |
| 13:08.06 | Jenika | oh i see, permission denied |
| 13:08.12 | valdyn | Jenika: nm |
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| 13:08.24 | Bushmills | Jenika: run it with . file |
| 13:08.27 | Bushmills | without the slash |
| 13:08.39 | Bushmills | or . path/to/file |
| 13:09.20 | Jenika | ok, i think it ran |
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| 13:10.45 | hotdog92 | VISTA RULEZZZ :D |
| 13:11.07 | Bushmills | trolls suck |
| 13:11.22 | hotdog92 | Well someone said me I should go in here |
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| 13:11.29 | hotdog92 | And then say: VISTA RULEZZZ :D |
| 13:11.31 | cloakable | hotdog92: yes, at raping your ram |
| 13:11.33 | dvs | they were wrong |
| 13:11.42 | hotdog92 | I know that |
| 13:11.44 | Jenika | and taking up too much space |
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| 13:12.03 | hotdog92 | Well, I should leave then ;) |
| 13:12.06 | hotdog92 | Have fun with Debian |
| 13:12.32 | cloakable | o.o |
| 13:12.59 | Zacaa | Hi, I'm currently trying to install NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run on debian stable but when I do, and I reboot my machine I get a blank screen, could anyone give me any suggestions? |
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| 13:16.13 | vvd | google :D |
| 13:16.19 | LinuxBlues | Zacaa: have you installed linux-headers |
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| 13:19.38 | extor | does debian testing have any decent video editors, similar to virtualdub or avidemux? |
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| 13:21.03 | Bushmills | avidemux is in testing. if that's a decent one |
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| 13:21.26 | Bushmills | there is also cinelerra, kino, and one if forgot. kino wasn't very stable recently |
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| 13:22.35 | Bushmills | ah, pitivi it was. no idea how decent that one is |
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| 13:23.13 | vjoe | hey |
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| 13:27.04 | Bushmills | then what has been known as filmgimp before, can't remember its current name, and openmovieeditor |
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| 13:28.08 | Bushmills | ah, filmgimp -> cinepaint |
| 13:28.12 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:28.34 | DexterF | what does "brek=bottom" on the kernel line do? wait for a keypress when the screen is filled? |
| 13:28.37 | Bushmills | oops. cinepaint not in testing |
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| 13:30.28 | extor | debian-multimedia.org <--- Is this site safe to get .deb packages from? Just need a random opinion from someone |
| 13:30.50 | markybob | extor yes |
| 13:30.50 | Bushmills | extor: it is the recommended site for multimedia .debs |
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| 13:31.23 | extor | yeah cuz some of those debs showed up kinda funny when I did an apt-get update |
| 13:31.50 | extor | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:31.51 | extor | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 13:33.29 | joltcan | extor: gpg --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 ; gpg --export | apt-key add - |
| 13:33.51 | joltcan | extor: oops gpg --export 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:34.04 | extor | I hate typing encryption commands which I don't understand |
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| 13:34.48 | joltcan | extor: Then read man. First import the public key (from the debian-multimedia stuff) in your local keyring, then export it and pipe it to apt-key so that apt understand it next time |
| 13:34.48 | dvs | the commands look easy enough to me. It's the actual keys that are a mystery. |
| 13:35.22 | extor | yeah the commands are easy but my knowledge of encryption is nill...just a habit not to do something cluelessly |
| 13:35.29 | joltcan | They always sign the debian-mutlimedia packages (just like debian does with the regular ones). The problem here is that you don't have their pubkeys in your keyring, so you cant verify them |
| 13:35.29 | extor | Call me old fashioned |
| 13:35.45 | extor | all gibberish to me |
| 13:36.46 | joltcan | extor: Well, you got the explanation above. If that is to much, take a look at the gpg howto before continuing |
| 13:37.30 | extor | yeah I intend to do a wiki read session on SSL, SSH, MD5, RCA..keys..all that stuff |
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| 13:50.39 | pred2k3 | hi, is it possible to write the PID of a ssh connect in a file? |
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| 13:50.52 | kazol | I have installed support for my BCM4306 wifi card using http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper but I don't know howto configure it. |
| 13:51.02 | kazol | Including wpa, etc. |
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| 13:52.32 | cloakable | !bcm43xx > kazol |
| 13:52.34 | Turicas | kazol, there is bcm43xx, this module [probably] works with your card. did you test it? |
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| 13:54.18 | Turicas | kazol, to configure wpa, install the package wpasupplicant |
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| 13:55.45 | DexterF | kazol: what desktop? |
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| 13:56.23 | DexterF | anyway, try WiCD, it's aa breeze |
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| 13:58.12 | dmnd | im having issues installing debian Etch, it fails to install grub boot loader |
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| 13:59.47 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 13:59.58 | Mantaar | dmnd: are you trying to install grub 2 |
| 14:00.00 | nullvoid | how can I mount rw on hfsplus partition |
| 14:00.07 | Mantaar | nullvoid: you can't |
| 14:00.21 | dmnd | Mantaar: i dont know, it's the netinstall of Etch? :) |
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| 14:00.29 | Bushmills | dmnd: after weighting all the provided information, there is only one conclusion possible: the mirror you use has broken packages |
| 14:00.40 | Mantaar | dmnd: ... did you choose the 'expert' installation |
| 14:01.09 | Mantaar | damn, my question mark doesn't work... |
| 14:01.16 | nullvoid | Mantaar: any other way? |
| 14:01.41 | dmnd | Mantaar: no :) im trying the install again |
| 14:01.49 | dmnd | im not doing any weird stuff |
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| 14:01.58 | dmnd | heh |
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| 14:02.07 | Mantaar | dmnd: strange. What is the exact error message you get. |
| 14:02.27 | dmnd | Mantaar: if oyu have a sec, i rebooted again :) |
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| 14:03.00 | Mantaar | nullvoid: None that I know of. You might have luck trying to format your mac with UFS and then using FreeBSD to access the partitions rw. |
| 14:03.01 | AlexC_ | hey all |
| 14:03.06 | Mantaar | Otherwise, use nfs. |
| 14:03.18 | Mantaar | dmnd: I'm here till 6 p.m. CEST |
| 14:03.25 | Mantaar | :-) |
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| 14:04.14 | Mantaar | WTF! My freaking question mark doesn't work. |
| 14:04.28 | abrotman | like this? |
| 14:04.34 | Mantaar | abrotman: yeah. |
| 14:04.35 | abrotman | you can't make one of these? |
| 14:04.38 | Mantaar | No. |
| 14:04.39 | abrotman | does that bother you? |
| 14:04.46 | Mantaar | Every other simbol, OK, everything else... |
| 14:04.50 | abrotman | I should stop now? |
| 14:04.51 | Bushmills | nullvoid: maybe this helps: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-hfsplus |
| 14:04.58 | AlexC_ | I'm trying to 'apt-get source php5-cgi' however I am getting loads and loads of the following errors: http://paste2.org/p/25270 - this is the last part of it. I am running that as root and root has no quota, so I have no idea what all that is about. dpkg-dev is also installed |
| 14:05.23 | AlexC_ | and, why on earth is it trying to change ownership? |
| 14:05.24 | Mantaar | abrotman: it's not for the question mark. You know... it's just that 'something-doesn't-work-i-gotta-fix-it' thing again. |
| 14:05.33 | abrotman | Mantaar: wrong keymap ? |
| 14:05.34 | Bushmills | nullvoid: support is in recent kernels |
| 14:05.50 | dmnd | Mantaar: :D |
| 14:05.56 | Mantaar | abrotman: the same keymap I've been using all days to ask stupid support questions on IRC. |
| 14:06.07 | dmnd | Mantaar: use ALT-2342342342 if you have a question ;) |
| 14:06.39 | Mantaar | dmnd: this key combo changes my desktops in a frantic speed. Something's not right. |
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| 14:06.42 | Mantaar | :-) |
| 14:06.44 | kazol | Turicas: How well does it work? I remember using something similar. |
| 14:06.47 | abrotman | Mantaar: broken keyboard? |
| 14:07.01 | dvs | pebkac? |
| 14:07.29 | Mantaar | abrotman: likely. Poor keyboard. I like it. xev doesn't even register it |
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| 14:07.55 | Mantaar | damn. Hardware issue. Linux console dosen't print it either. |
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| 14:08.34 | abrotman | replug the keyboard? |
| 14:08.38 | Mantaar | the key works without shift. But when I press shift: nothing. really strange... |
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| 14:08.49 | Mantaar | abrotman: just rtied. |
| 14:09.23 | Mantaar | yeah. It's the external keyboard to my laptop. Here's my internal:???????? |
| 14:09.28 | Mantaar | shoot. |
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| 14:10.03 | abrotman | seems fine |
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| 14:10.34 | Mantaar | yeah. It's a keyboard issue. Logitech can't isn't what it used to be... |
| 14:11.24 | Mantaar | -can't ... meh. This board's one year old. |
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| 14:11.24 | abrotman | it's just not an m20 :) |
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| 14:11.58 | dmnd | Mantaar: it went fine this time |
| 14:12.06 | dmnd | Mantaar: weird tho |
| 14:13.20 | Mantaar | dmnd: well, Mars probably was misaligned a few minutes ago. That issue reoccurs every 235 years or so. |
| 14:13.43 | Mantaar | abrotman: meh. I needed a good excuse to buy a dvorak-keyboard anyway... |
| 14:13.49 | dmnd | i think the gravity caused it |
| 14:13.52 | dmnd | ;) |
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| 14:14.32 | Mantaar | well yeah. It's the old story again: interaction between gravitational and electromagnetic fields. Can cause serious mess. |
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| 14:14.43 | Mantaar | glad you made it this time, though... :-) |
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| 14:17.19 | Mantaar | OK. changed keyboards. Time to ask stupid questions again: Why is it that whenever I start up my laptop (ICH7 chipset) I get the error '/dev/rtc wait for clock tick timed out' or so on 'setting the system clock...'??? |
| 14:17.36 | AlexC_ | I'm trying to 'apt-get source php5-cgi' however I am getting loads and loads of the following errors: http://paste2.org/p/25270 - this is the last part of it. I am running that as root and root has no quota, so I have no idea what all that is about. dpkg-dev is also installed |
| 14:18.05 | renard99 | Could I have some help installing compiz-fusion? I have drivers for my nvidia 6200 working. I have installed all compiz and compiz fusion packages from testing. The error I get when I run fusion-icon is here, along with my xorg.conf. I suspect the problem is in my xorg.conf. http://pastebin.com/m3e693cb3 Please help. |
| 14:18.17 | Mantaar | AlexC_: stupid guess... you've exceeded your disk quota? |
| 14:18.27 | AlexC_ | Mantaar, I haven't =) |
| 14:18.29 | cahoot | Mantaar: don't know why but one workaround is to give --drectisa as option to hwclock |
| 14:18.39 | cahoot | --directisa |
| 14:19.05 | Mantaar | cahoot: that probably goes somewhere in /etc/defaults, eh? |
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| 14:20.53 | Mantaar | or can i put it directly in /etc/init.d/hwclock? |
| 14:21.08 | cahoot | Mantaar: try from cli first - IIRC I put it in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
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| 14:21.44 | and][ng | !deb |
| 14:21.44 | dpkg | [deb] the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 14:21.53 | and][ng | !package |
| 14:21.56 | and][ng | !packages |
| 14:21.56 | dpkg | from memory, packages is a file you can parse with grep-dctrl, or apt-get install auto-apt, auto-apt update, auto-apt search <the_file_you_want> |
| 14:22.20 | Mantaar | cahoot: thanks. I'll try it |
| 14:22.26 | lastnode | and][ng: use /msg dpkg |
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| 14:23.02 | and][ng | I'd like to create a live system with a couple specific apps that are not in repository |
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| 14:24.09 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 14:25.07 | Mantaar | cahoot: Any idea *why* --directisa works? My machine is a x86. No ISA, no Alpha, no nothing fancy.. |
| 14:25.13 | Mantaar | but it *does* work... |
| 14:25.33 | cahoot | Mantaar: read and didn't understand an explanation once |
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| 14:26.15 | cahoot | Mantaar: seems I don't need it longer with a newer kernel |
| 14:26.43 | Mantaar | cahoot: my kernel's 2.6.24... |
| 14:27.12 | Mantaar | the best I can get in sid... |
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| 14:29.05 | cahoot | Mantaar: I honestly believe quite a few persons in channel can explain why |
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| 14:29.38 | cahoot | ... directisa works |
| 14:30.44 | renard99 | any help would be greatly appreciated... |
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| 14:32.43 | and][ng | renard99: what about? |
| 14:32.57 | renard99 | Could I have some help installing compiz-fusion? I have drivers for my nvidia 6200 working. I have installed all compiz and compiz fusion packages from testing. The error I get when I run fusion-icon is here, along with my xorg.conf. I suspect the problem is in my xorg.conf. http://pastebin.com/m3e693cb3 Please help. |
| 14:33.12 | abrotman | and][ng: try /lastlog |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | renard99: how did yuou install your nvidia drivers? |
| 14:34.38 | renard99 | abrotman: I kept back the stable xserver from etch, along with the modules and kernel. |
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| 14:35.04 | hollywoo1b | renard99: methinks the etch nvidia driver is too old http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=6802 |
| 14:37.07 | hollywoodb | renard99: but afaik you shouldn't use the nvidia installer to update the driver |
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| 14:38.11 | renard99 | hollywoodb: ok, thanks. I'll upgrade nvidia-glx to the latest version. Just to check, that shouldn't break my kernel module should it? |
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| 14:39.00 | hollywoodb | renard99: I think you might need to upgrade nvidia-glx, the kernel, and the module from testing, but I'm not 100% sure. it's been a while since I've toyed with the nvidia drivers |
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| 14:39.30 | salvin | anyone use ext4? |
| 14:39.33 | Mantaar | wouldn't there also be a possibility of X.org ABI breakage? |
| 14:40.09 | renard99 | Mantaar: yes, but Im holding back xorg |
| 14:40.46 | Mantaar | well. I sure hope you have console IRC client ;-) |
| 14:41.11 | multi_io | which package contains /etc/init.d/hplip ? |
| 14:41.29 | Mantaar | multi_io: you might want to look into apt-file. |
| 14:41.43 | Mantaar | multi_io: but for this particular case, it's. Uh. hplip! |
| 14:41.51 | abrotman | multi_io: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:41.52 | multi_io | it's not in hplip in testing or unstable |
| 14:42.07 | multi_io | apt-file says it's nowhere... |
| 14:42.30 | abrotman | !find init.d/hplip etch |
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| 14:43.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'init.d/hplip' (1): (/etc/init.d/hplip) in utils/hplip. |
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| 14:45.23 | multi_io | well, I have hplip 2.8.2-1 installed, which is the current version in testing and unstable, and it doesn't contain /etc/init.d/hplip... |
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| 14:46.09 | multi_io | oh, you looked in etch, which is stable... |
| 14:46.31 | multi_io | !find init.d/hplip lenny |
| 14:47.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'init.d/hplip' returned no results. |
| 14:47.34 | kazol | Does anyone know howto configure wpa in wireless-tools? |
| 14:48.22 | multi_io | well, looks like hplip is broken in testing and unstable :-( |
| 14:48.36 | and][ng | will lenny's aptitude have super-cow powers? |
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| 14:50.22 | xingu | kazol: install wpasupplicant; then see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz as regards interfaces(5) syntax |
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| 14:50.53 | xingu | kazol: typcally it's enough to set wpa-ssid, wpa-psk (if that's what you're using) |
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| 14:54.32 | dmnd | Mantaar: i replicated the message i got earlier, i set noexec and nosuid on /tmp and then it fails to install grub |
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| 14:55.17 | dmnd | it looks like it's related to that |
| 14:55.30 | Mantaar | dmnd: ... afaik grub shouldn't really depend on /tmp being accessible at all, let alone having noexec and/or nusuid |
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| 14:55.49 | Mantaar | but maybe Debian's installation procedure does ... |
| 14:55.59 | Mantaar | I'd call 'bug' on that |
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| 14:56.50 | ukwiz | I am trying to install webmin on a debian system, but it doesn't seem to be available in any of the sources I have available. 3 questions: |
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| 14:57.13 | ukwiz | 1. Where do I find what sources I have available, |
| 14:57.23 | Mantaar | !tell ukwiz about webmin |
| 14:57.48 | renard99 | hmm.. it seems the latest nvidia binary blob has unresolvable dependancies. Guess that's what you get with Sid :( |
| 14:57.56 | ukwiz | 2. How do I find webmin, and 3. How do I add new sources? |
| 14:58.41 | Mantaar | renard99: well, you'll need up-to-date software for compiz blitzfests... |
| 14:58.46 | ukwiz | Mantaar: no-one told me anything :( |
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| 14:59.16 | Mantaar | ukwiz: dpkg shoud have privmsg'd you, telling you that webmin sucks. |
| 14:59.18 | abrotman | ukwiz: webmin has been removed from debian thank goodness |
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| 15:00.29 | noisesmith | anybody have any idea why my wifi would work for irc and aptitude, but not port 80? ethernet works just fine, wifi times out for most protocols? |
| 15:00.37 | xingu | renard99: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110088 |
| 15:00.44 | ukwiz | Mantaar: Ah yes, got it, thanks |
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| 15:00.55 | Mantaar | noisesmith: you have a nazi-ISP that blocks port 80? |
| 15:01.10 | noisesmith | no, ethernet on the same router works great |
| 15:01.16 | ukwiz | abrotman: OK, you don't like it... but what would you recommend instead? |
| 15:01.21 | abrotman | vi |
| 15:01.39 | noisesmith | but I switch to wifi and half of the protocols fail... ssh times out too |
| 15:01.40 | Mantaar | abrotman: the number of the beast: vi vi vi... |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | uh |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | noisesmith: do you switch after power on? |
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| 15:02.18 | noisesmith | yeah |
| 15:02.22 | noisesmith | I did an ifdown first |
| 15:02.25 | Mantaar | noisesmith: huh. OK. strange. routing table says? netstat? iptables? |
| 15:02.35 | Mantaar | ... ah. OK, forget about the routing table... |
| 15:02.40 | noisesmith | lemme check, that stuff is a bit over my head |
| 15:02.52 | noisesmith | wait... what should I check then? |
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| 15:03.18 | Mantaar | well. OK. You could start with the routing table while you're on wifi. |
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| 15:04.13 | noisesmith | iptables -L or? |
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| 15:05.07 | HSorgYves | is there any debian maintainer online? |
| 15:05.17 | Konam | can someone give me a repository to install iceweasel? |
| 15:05.24 | Mantaar | noisesmith: if you've not yet configured iptables, it's not likely the firewall. issuing `route' to check the routing table would be a first attempt |
| 15:05.31 | renard99 | xingu: thanks for the link, I'll try it when I have more time. Right now I need some sleep. |
| 15:05.57 | noisesmith | Mantaar: if the way to change it is iptables -L, then the output is the same on this one, as it is on the one with working wifi (same router) |
| 15:06.13 | Mantaar | huh. |
| 15:06.23 | Mantaar | I'm out of ideas :-( |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | route table ? |
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| 15:06.52 | noisesmith | the output of route is the same on both machines |
| 15:06.54 | pappanz | hello. i was wondering if it is possible to get a list of the packages selected by the debian installer when one selects "desktop environment"... |
| 15:07.09 | noisesmith | this is a ibook running ppc sid |
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| 15:07.37 | abrotman | noisesmith: you're sure the gateway is the right device? |
| 15:07.38 | noisesmith | pappanz: in aptitude, go to the entry, and check the dependancies |
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| 15:07.56 | noisesmith | identical gateways for both machines, one gets through, the other not |
| 15:08.04 | abrotman | pappanz: tasksel --list-packages <task> or something like that .. tasksel --help |
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| 15:08.25 | pappanz | thanks! |
| 15:08.26 | abrotman | tasksel --task-packages <task> |
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| 15:12.06 | ldiamond | I want to make a USB hard drive bootable on any computer. I need at least a linux distro and dos (other such as win, bart would be nice too). Can any1 here help me out? |
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| 15:12.37 | noisesmith | I cannot figure out why port 80 and 20 would be broken on one machine, and not on the machine sitting next to it: I configured them both the same way. |
| 15:14.17 | ldiamond | noisesmith what doesnt work? browsing? |
| 15:14.20 | ldiamond | or a web server? |
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| 15:14.41 | noisesmith | I get reset connections browsing |
| 15:14.50 | noisesmith | and everything is alot slower than it should be |
| 15:15.05 | noisesmith | and the same website works fine on the laptop sitting next to it |
| 15:15.17 | noisesmith | connected to same router, etc. |
| 15:15.19 | ldiamond | well, that could be a network problem |
| 15:15.33 | ldiamond | maybe the network adapter isnt working correctly |
| 15:15.39 | noisesmith | hmm |
| 15:15.51 | noisesmith | using a hermes card on ppc |
| 15:16.00 | noisesmith | and no pcmcia slot :( |
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| 15:17.01 | AlexC_ | guys, my 'root' account seems to have exceeded it's quota, however that is mad. 'root' doesn't have a quota |
| 15:17.10 | noisesmith | also, anyone know why all the X11 mouse cursors are reversed inside out on the ppc distro? |
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| 15:17.49 | AlexC_ | ie, if I download a .tar.gz and attempt to extract it, I can't - says quota exceeded and I get a lot of: Cannot change ownership to uid 1002, gid 1002: Disk quota exceeded |
| 15:17.56 | AlexC_ | but, why is it trying to change to gid 1002? |
| 15:18.15 | noisesmith | who has uid 1002 on your machine? |
| 15:18.32 | noisesmith | sounds like a messed up /etc/passwd or something |
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| 15:19.43 | abrotman | AlexC_: what are you trying to install ? |
| 15:20.00 | rootmos | i can not find the package madwifi-tools when i do a aptitude search but it is there when i search packagages.debian.org it is there |
| 15:20.12 | rootmos | im on lenny |
| 15:20.18 | AlexC_ | abrotman, nothing really, I just wanted to 'apt-get source php5-cgi' and I started getting these errors, so I tried extracting a tar.gz to check and I get the same |
| 15:20.40 | noisesmith | rootmos is madwifi tools maybe nonfree? do you have nonfree in your sources.list? |
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| 15:20.55 | abrotman | AlexC_: is there a uid/gid of 1002 on your system ? |
| 15:21.05 | AlexC_ | abrotman, yes |
| 15:21.06 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 15:21.06 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 15:21.14 | abrotman | AlexC_: are any of your drives full ? |
| 15:21.25 | AlexC_ | abrotman, they shouldn't be anywhere near. How can I check this? |
| 15:21.29 | abrotman | df |
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| 15:22.46 | AlexC_ | abrotman, hum, it is not showing the results I was expecting. This is a VPS I am working with and that seems to be picking up the host node |
| 15:22.59 | abrotman | sounds like a problem |
| 15:23.17 | AlexC_ | abrotman, is there anyway I can see what size a directory is? |
| 15:23.24 | AlexC_ | ie, the total amount of /home or /etc |
| 15:23.39 | abrotman | du -s |
| 15:23.50 | AlexC_ | that is shown in bytes, correct? |
| 15:24.39 | noisesmith | you can add -h for human readable prefixes |
| 15:24.40 | rootmos | noisesmith: i missed contrib in the sources, thanks |
| 15:25.10 | AlexC_ | abrotman, noisesmith thanks, |
| 15:25.16 | AlexC_ | abrotman, that is showing that / is using 2.2gb |
| 15:25.33 | AlexC_ | abrotman, and I have a limit of 30gb |
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| 15:26.47 | abrotman | is it my imagination... or do VPS systems cause more problems than they are worth ? |
| 15:27.07 | AlexC_ | ^^ |
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| 15:27.17 | multi_io | what do "Ign" lines in the output of "apt-get update" mean? |
| 15:27.28 | AlexC_ | if you feel like donating so I can have a true dedicated then go ahead, abrotman :P |
| 15:27.43 | xingu | abrotman: one of the nice things about them is that a given system image is built to the virtual machine spec. rather than the physical; so in the event of node failure the time-to-repair to rebootstrap all impacted _images_ is virtually nil |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | it was just a comment |
| 15:27.47 | ukwiz | so, debian gurus don't like webmin, but can anyone suggest a viable alternative? |
| 15:28.02 | abrotman | xingu: they still seem to not work well |
| 15:28.03 | abrotman | ukwiz: vi |
| 15:28.24 | xingu | abrotman: largescale vmware esx is in the "it just works" category |
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| 15:28.48 | xingu | abrotman: the real problem with vps' is that they're highly prevalent amongst bottom-feeder _internet_ outfits. |
| 15:28.49 | abrotman | just that we get a lot of questions with some goofed up VPS setup that fails badly |
| 15:28.54 | catsup | vmware sex?? |
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| 15:29.01 | indro | hi all |
| 15:29.06 | catsup | i'll stick to the real thing |
| 15:29.10 | indro | im trying to unpack a bunch of files. |
| 15:29.16 | xingu | abrotman: it's a self-selecting community for boneheadedness iotw |
| 15:29.25 | indro | i want give them the switch -o |
| 15:29.27 | Bushmills | ukwiz: ssh |
| 15:29.34 | ukwiz | vi is an abomination. at least webmin presents a uniform interface to different distros |
| 15:29.34 | indro | but it still ask if i want overwrite the file. |
| 15:29.46 | indro | i tried following command: unp *.rar -- o- |
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| 15:29.56 | indro | any idea why this not works? |
| 15:30.13 | abrotman | ukwiz: webmin is a total pile of shit and if you require one to admin a server you should get a real admin to help you |
| 15:30.28 | catsup | ukwiz: why would you want a uniform interface to different distros? |
| 15:30.32 | lastnode | !webmin |
| 15:30.32 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 15:30.44 | catsup | ukwiz: any reasonable distribution will maintain compatibility with debian. |
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| 15:31.01 | markybob | i wanna join in! i hate webmin too! |
| 15:31.03 | markybob | :P |
| 15:31.13 | Optic | what abou ispconfig? :) |
| 15:31.36 | AlexC_ | I don't get this Webmin issue - when ever anyone mentions it they *always* link to that mailing list. Well, guys - look at the date, that was in 2005. It is now 2008 |
| 15:32.10 | xingu | AlexC_: and you know what? webmin hasn't advanced one whit since |
| 15:32.32 | ukwiz | yeah, command line junkies all. I don't have time to look after all the fiddly config files scattered at random over the system |
| 15:32.47 | xingu | it must be sunday-o-clock |
| 15:33.05 | abrotman | ukwiz: then you shouldn't be the admin |
| 15:33.07 | markybob | ukwiz time is often the point. much quicker to do things from the command line |
| 15:33.10 | Bushmills | at random over the system?? |
| 15:33.27 | Bushmills | is that misconception the result of using a config front end? |
| 15:33.35 | AlexC_ | they are not randomly placed |
| 15:33.51 | indro | is anyone using unp? :/ |
| 15:34.30 | Bushmills | ehm. misperception :) |
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| 15:34.40 | ukwiz | abrotman: no, i would like someone else to be the admin, but unfortunately there is only me and I only get an hour a day to try to set all this stuff up. |
| 15:34.54 | Mantaar | ukwiz: get used to man, grep, vi, find and a good shell (I use zsh) and then you'll see how doing with the command line is easier, more comfortable and just more sane. |
| 15:35.02 | multi_io | I have lots of "Ign" lines in the output ofa run of "apt-get update", e.g. "Ign http://tick stable/non-US Release.gpg". What do they mean? No packages from that repository are indexed, apparently. |
| 15:35.02 | catsup | Bushmills: many philosophers would argue that there is no such thing... |
| 15:35.04 | abrotman | ukwiz: then god damn install your crap from source .. it's not in debian get over it .. if you want to muck up your system, just get on with it already |
| 15:35.39 | ukwiz | abrotman: I understand that Linux isn't ready for the normal user, but at least I am trying to get to grips with it. It would be much simpler to stay with Windows |
| 15:35.45 | Bushmills | catsup: possibly. how many of those philosophers would be adequate shell users? |
| 15:35.48 | AlexC_ | O_o |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | ukwiz: then do that .. whining here isn't going to help |
| 15:36.33 | abrotman | Bushmills: and are they dining ? |
| 15:36.36 | xingu | I think it might once again be time for some masturbatory bot-slaying bzflag |
| 15:36.39 | ukwiz | markybob: yes, I do use the command line, but identifying all the config files is a pain. |
| 15:36.44 | xingu | unless any of you have other suggestions |
| 15:36.47 | abrotman | multi_io: non-us is dead |
| 15:36.56 | indro | can anyone help with the unp issue or do i need to write a script? |
| 15:37.13 | ukwiz | Bushmills: not necessarily at random, but not in a cohesive and coherent manner |
| 15:37.30 | catsup | ukwiz: what are you talking about man? identifying config files is pretty damned simple, it's understanding their semantics that requires the effort... |
| 15:37.46 | Bushmills | abrotman: and how many can eat and think at the same time? |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | indro: just describe your issue |
| 15:38.26 | indro | abrotman: thx for not ignoring me. ;) |
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| 15:39.05 | indro | like i said i want unpack a lot of rar files with the "not overwrite" flag. |
| 15:39.06 | gigo | I was dist-upgrading to lenny and I had to restart /etc/init.d/gdm restart in between. now all my fonts have become too small. I am using the correct resolution i.e. 1280 x 800. Please help |
| 15:39.11 | abrotman | indro: no one is ignoring you .. but no one is going to jump up and run around and ask you for more info |
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| 15:39.24 | jescis | Since I got rid of X11, I wonder what makes it where you can only have six ttys? |
| 15:39.36 | indro | i tried unp *.rar -- -o but it still ask if i want overwrite files. |
| 15:39.37 | cahoot | inittab |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | indro: i don't use rar .. sorry |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | jescis: /etc/inittab |
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| 15:39.52 | Mantaar | !tell indro about anyone |
| 15:40.03 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:40.18 | ukwiz | I only have debian on one machine at the moment - suse on 4 others. I am not whining specifically, I just asked if there was something in deb which is similar in function to webmin. |
| 15:40.25 | gigo | how can I fix the font sizes. it is so diffuclt to read the small fonts |
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| 15:40.34 | abrotman | ukwiz: no |
| 15:40.37 | catsup | ukwiz: debconf |
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| 15:40.40 | cahoot | gigo: gnome? |
| 15:40.42 | noisesmith | gigo: are you using gnome? |
| 15:40.45 | noisesmith | jynx |
| 15:40.49 | gigo | cahoot: noisesmith: yes |
| 15:40.51 | abrotman | jinx ? |
| 15:40.54 | indro | i get this on the unp help: |
| 15:40.55 | indro | Use -- to pass arguments to external programs, eg. some tar options: |
| 15:40.55 | indro | unp fastgl.tgz xmnt.tgz -- -C /tmp |
| 15:40.56 | jescis | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:41.00 | cahoot | gigo: use its fonttool |
| 15:41.22 | gigo | cahoot: ok. but this problem happened when I was dist-upgrading and I had to restart gdm in between |
| 15:41.28 | indro | but this doesnt seem to work, maybe a bug? |
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| 15:41.43 | gigo | fonttool command does not work cahoot |
| 15:41.45 | Mantaar | indro: how about using a shell script? for i in files; do tar xzf $i; done. |
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| 15:41.48 | noisesmith | gigo: gdm does not affect your fonts, unless it changes your resulotuion |
| 15:41.57 | enouf | jescis: just add more there |
| 15:42.12 | gigo | i haven't changed my resolution at all. then what might have caused the problem. I only restartd gdm in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
| 15:42.12 | Bushmills | abrotman: btw, that problem would disqualify me as philosopher - i carry a lightweight cutlery set with me all the time. |
| 15:42.13 | enouf | dpi ? |
| 15:42.19 | cahoot | gigo: try changing the dpi - system->prefs->fonts or such? |
| 15:42.20 | ukwiz | the other problem with the deb machine is that it is running in 32MB |
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| 15:42.29 | ukwiz | man debconfo |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | Bushmills: pocketknife? |
| 15:42.37 | noisesmith | gigo: change in default gnome font? |
| 15:42.40 | gigo | I don't have a fonts option in System -> Prefs |
| 15:42.47 | abrotman | ukwiz: i'm not sure how that's a problem |
| 15:42.48 | gigo | noisesmith: why would that happen? |
| 15:42.58 | Bushmills | titanium spoon and fork. 2 pocket knives :) |
| 15:43.07 | indro | Mantaar: could try that, with what i need to replace files? |
| 15:43.18 | Mantaar | All i need for philosophy is my Leatherman. |
| 15:43.19 | cahoot | gigo: try changing the dpi - system->prefs->looks? |
| 15:43.20 | noisesmith | gigo I have had distro upgrades override my gnome settings, it has been ages since I used gnome though, so I cannot help much more than what I have said |
| 15:43.30 | Bushmills | well, just the fork is needed here |
| 15:43.39 | catsup | the fashionable thing is to philosophize with a hammer |
| 15:43.44 | gigo | cahoot: I don't have any looks also there. |
| 15:44.08 | indro | files = ? |
| 15:44.17 | Mantaar | indro: enumeration of files. If you want files foo, bar and baz you can say for i in foo bar baz. If it's more like file1 file2 file3, use for i in file*; you can also use set-like shell globbing: {file*,bar,baz}. |
| 15:44.25 | cahoot | gigo: well I sit here with a non-english gonme so the exact wording is a guess - take your time and look around |
| 15:44.42 | catsup | http://timothybuckwalter.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/nietzsche_family_circus.png |
| 15:44.44 | indro | okay thanks. :) |
| 15:44.46 | multi_io | abrotman: ok |
| 15:44.47 | gigo | cahoot: got it in appearances. thanks |
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| 15:44.50 | multi_io | thanks |
| 15:45.01 | Mantaar | catsup: Nietzsche, ftw! |
| 15:45.02 | abrotman | okay? |
| 15:45.17 | Bushmills | for knives i am very fond of the opinel knives |
| 15:45.28 | Bushmills | these kind: http://forthfreak.net/misc/opinel.jpg |
| 15:46.11 | ukwiz | ok. debian box switched off until another day. not enough time to sort it out now. |
| 15:46.58 | cahoot | ukwianks for sharingz: th |
| 15:47.01 | abrotman | that was useful |
| 15:48.14 | multi_io | I'm trying to downgrade package hplip from 2.8.2-1 (current testing/unstable version) to 1.6.10-3etch1 (current stable version). "apt-get install hplip =1.6.10-3etch1" only says "hplip is already the newest version." and "E: Couldn't find package", even though the apt-get manpage says the "=" operator can downgrade packages. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:49.15 | catsup | multi_io: remove the space |
| 15:49.18 | abrotman | multi_io: why? |
| 15:49.25 | ukwiz | at least I am not leaving the box switched on and connected to the outside world without configuring security on it. I was going to use webmin for setting up iptables initially. |
| 15:49.31 | enouf | go grab the .deb and dpkg -i it ;-) |
| 15:49.45 | catsup | hm, that last png came from here: http://www.losanjealous.com/nfc/ |
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| 15:49.46 | abrotman | ukwiz: if you had asked that .. we could have told you there are ncurses/gui tools for that |
| 15:49.50 | enouf | (chooses the easy way out) |
| 15:49.56 | multi_io | catsup: ah, thanks |
| 15:50.00 | abrotman | catsup: are you done ? |
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| 15:50.31 | ukwiz | abrotman: but the question was generic. webmin brings many "tools" together in one place. |
| 15:50.32 | multi_io | abrotman: 14:48 < multi_io> well, looks like hplip is broken in testing and unstable :-( |
| 15:50.32 | catsup | abrotman: still breathing... |
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| 15:50.40 | abrotman | ukwiz: okay .. fine, do whatever you want |
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| 15:51.03 | yitz_ | Why are there so many /lib/mozilla paths? I used the Adobe flash player installer and now flash movies freeze up my browser. How do I (re)install flash? I seem to have flash plugins in many directories... |
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| 15:52.34 | enouf | ukwiz: as much as i agree with the others about webmin crapola, i'm going to atleast throw this out there, for whatever reasons http://wiki.debian.org/CipUX/CAT?action=show&redirect=DebianEdu%2FCipUX%2FCAT |
| 15:53.16 | enouf | FlashCrapPoopShit is causing issues? who would've ever guessed ;-) |
| 15:53.40 | yitz_ | Except now I'm not able to play any flash... |
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| 15:53.51 | abrotman | yitz_: remove all the libflashplugin.so and then reinstall them ? |
| 15:53.58 | enouf | good, now her a life ;-) |
| 15:54.07 | enouf | erm s/her/get |
| 15:54.15 | yitz_ | The bed repos got several flash options. Is there any 'best' ones? Or are they all equally iffy? |
| 15:54.17 | enouf | (off by a few letters :-P) |
| 15:54.29 | abrotman | yitz_: i just get it from adobe.com |
| 15:54.30 | Mantaar | yitz_: download youtube stuff using youtube-dl, watch it with mplayer. There is no other useful application of flash. </flame> :-D |
| 15:55.04 | noisesmith | mantaar: one of the best things about moving to a ppc machine is no working flash player |
| 15:55.15 | noisesmith | what sucks is all the little fucking endianness bugs |
| 15:55.28 | Mantaar | noisesmith: absolutely. You can actually disable adblock for the most part... |
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| 15:56.11 | noisesmith | like check this out: my x11 cursors display their right half on their left side, and their left half on their right side: not mirrored, just split in half and swapped |
| 15:56.39 | noisesmith | I am pretty sure that is an endian issue |
| 15:56.40 | ukwiz | enouf: thanks. I am slowly getting through commandline manipulation of config files, but I am also trying to get away from windows. unfortunately trying to det a linux system up and running is not trivial. Thus the desire for something to help with the process. |
| 15:57.17 | lastnode | ukwiz: it's pretty trivial for most day-to-day tasks. what are you having problems with? |
| 15:57.33 | lastnode | abrotman: what is the meta package to remove all of gnome? |
| 15:57.42 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 15:57.42 | dpkg | well, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common |
| 15:57.59 | Mantaar | ukwiz: switching operating systems is _never_ easy. That does not have something to do with the os itself. If I was to admin a Windows box now, I would be completely lost. |
| 15:58.37 | catsup | Mantaar: somehow i suspect that is not quite true... |
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| 15:58.52 | catsup | (that you would be lost) |
| 15:59.23 | lastnode | finds it hard to setup a basic network on windows. it's all so complicated |
| 15:59.30 | ukwiz | lastnode: well, a database, a web server, an smtp server, security... |
| 15:59.32 | lastnode | s/complicated/stupid |
| 15:59.32 | Mantaar | catsup: yeah, I would be all go-get-an-axe-and-shred-that-box. |
| 15:59.41 | lastnode | ukwiz: and setting up all that on windows is easy? |
| 15:59.42 | catsup | heh |
| 15:59.46 | lastnode | ukwiz: _security_? |
| 15:59.54 | lastnode | rofl |
| 16:00.25 | lastnode | if you have run a web server, smtp server and expected security from a widnows box, umm.. i really dunnow hat to say |
| 16:00.34 | noisesmith | I would say setting up windows is PROPERLY is hard enough that nobody has actually done it yet. Thus we use debian. |
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| 16:00.45 | lastnode | what noisesmith said |
| 16:00.49 | ukwiz | on windows I would just install a lamp stack |
| 16:01.04 | lastnode | ukwiz: lamp stack? as in, xampp? |
| 16:01.17 | lastnode | or each separately? |
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| 16:01.52 | noisesmith | well the first step in installing lamp is the l right? |
| 16:02.14 | Bushmills | valid assumption |
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| 16:02.28 | lastnode | so um, download apache, install. download pph, install. download mysql, install. edit configs. |
| 16:02.37 | lastnode | next, how would you _secure_ this box? |
| 16:02.44 | catsup | lastnode: unplug the network |
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| 16:03.00 | ukwiz | lastnode: yes, the l is perhaps wrong :) but you get the idea. |
| 16:03.26 | lastnode | yeah, but someone could still boot a virused cd. :o you have to unplug the network, take out the etherenet card, trash the dvdromd rive, kill all USB sockets |
| 16:03.36 | catsup | ukwiz: i don't get it. apt-get install apache mysql perl -- is that not good enough for you? everything gets set up and working. |
| 16:03.37 | lastnode | then you have a completely secure windows box. |
| 16:04.00 | lastnode | ukwiz: plus um, most default installs of debian come with a smtp server setup. |
| 16:04.06 | Deezire | A box is secure as long as it's not activly listening for something on the network. |
| 16:04.15 | jescis | enouf: Well I just modified the inittab file to go all the way to tty12 |
| 16:04.28 | lastnode | plus, security updates, where you actually _know_ what youa re getting, isntead of ambigious 'updates' from the windows udpate service |
| 16:04.31 | catsup | jescis: you might want to look into package 'screen' |
| 16:04.32 | enouf | \o/ |
| 16:04.37 | noisesmith | jescis: you prefer this to screen? |
| 16:04.48 | noisesmith | jynx |
| 16:04.49 | lastnode | jescis: screen roxors your boxors man. use it. |
| 16:05.13 | catsup | screen does seem to have some stability issues |
| 16:05.19 | abrotman | catsup: i doubt those are the correct packages he wants, and they won't actually lead to a working LAMP setup |
| 16:05.37 | enouf | tasksel? |
| 16:05.40 | Bushmills | Deezire: i'd add "..or is connected in any way to a machine on the network" |
| 16:05.41 | enouf | runs |
| 16:05.43 | jescis | I can't use anything right now I'm in windoze |
| 16:05.51 | Deezire | catsup: Been running stable for like a year at my box. |
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| 16:06.00 | ukwiz | lastnode: smtp as in exim? |
| 16:06.18 | Deezire | Bushmills: As long as the machine is not accepting connections you cant do anything with it. It's year 2008, that things worked in 1996. |
| 16:06.32 | lastnode | ukwiz: yes |
| 16:06.45 | Haris | do we have squid 3 stable2 on any of the archives/lists? |
| 16:06.55 | ukwiz | don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like windows, although it has kept me in work for many years |
| 16:07.02 | catsup | Deezire: it's pretty rare, but sometimes screen randomly locks up, and i can't reattach, and then (after a while) i can |
| 16:07.02 | valdyn | Haris: go have a look, why ask us? |
| 16:07.07 | Bushmills | Deezire: a machine accepts input from keyboard. had you a key-pecking robot arm, controlled by another machine, it would be potentially vulnerable too |
| 16:07.18 | ukwiz | lastnode: and exim is easy to configure? |
| 16:07.33 | valdyn | ukwiz: mail servers are never easy |
| 16:07.34 | Haris | ukwiz: It still keeps alot of people at work and there are more windows jobs comming in to the market. Whether people like it or not, windows is a fact. |
| 16:07.39 | jescis | noisesmith: yes I do. partly because I know very little about using screen without X |
| 16:07.43 | Deezire | Bushmills: Now you're just being a "wise guy" |
| 16:07.44 | catsup | abrotman: how is it not a working setup? you can write your perl cgi that accesses mysql, what more is there to it? really i don't get it. |
| 16:07.50 | Haris | valdyn: well, I think I'm looking in the wrong place |
| 16:07.57 | Haris | I'm looking at backports |
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| 16:08.12 | Bushmills | Deezire: just because i try to point out that your idea of "secure machine" may be incomplete? |
| 16:08.19 | Haris | do I check backports for unstable, testing or etch to check new versions? |
| 16:08.24 | lastnode | ukwiz: i expect it's about as easy as smtp on windows? |
| 16:08.34 | valdyn | Haris: etch does not get new versions |
| 16:08.40 | noisesmith | jescis: wait, how does screen work differently under X? |
| 16:08.42 | abrotman | catsup: there is no libapache(2)-mod-php5 .. there is no php5-mysql .. he likely meant php not perl |
| 16:08.43 | yitz_ | Argh! Totem is freezing up when I try opening a movie with it. |
| 16:08.49 | abrotman | catsup: he's a windows person :) |
| 16:08.51 | valdyn | Haris: backports gets a subset of packages |
| 16:08.53 | Haris | valdyn: I need to change my souces line for unstable? |
| 16:08.59 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:08.59 | Haris | sources+ |
| 16:09.04 | Haris | for=to |
| 16:09.04 | noisesmith | yitz_: I have noticed mplayer to be much more stable |
| 16:09.06 | valdyn | Haris: if you have to ask this, no, stick to squid2 |
| 16:09.07 | catsup | abrotman: oh, php |
| 16:09.17 | ukwiz | lastnode: hopefully it will be easier. |
| 16:09.18 | yitz_ | Installing mplayer |
| 16:09.31 | lastnode | ukwiz: yeah |
| 16:09.39 | Haris | I downloaded squid3stable1 but I think I lost it when I rebiult this box. Need to re-download the source to make the package |
| 16:09.52 | noisesmith | yitz: you probably want gmplayer for point+click (unless you prefer command line) |
| 16:09.53 | Haris | I'm guessing squid3 stable 2 would be in there by now |
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| 16:10.06 | catsup | i guess what you should do to install "lamp" is find some php cgi that uses mysql and installs on the box running. if you install that, you must have the full thing... |
| 16:10.06 | valdyn | Haris: stable does not get new packages |
| 16:10.16 | valdyn | Haris: etch will not ever have squid3 |
| 16:10.28 | Haris | Ok, checking unstable |
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| 16:10.32 | Haris | Noted! that |
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| 16:11.01 | catsup | like apt-get install mysql-server phpbb2-conf-mysql |
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| 16:11.12 | ukwiz | but of course I will have to learn it. Postfix was bad enough, but at least I could use webmin to find out what config files to use and how the config hung together |
| 16:11.17 | yitz_ | MPlayer: "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." |
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| 16:11.42 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to clean up memory (ie Cached programs/data) in order to improve the speed when copying data using 'dd' ? |
| 16:11.51 | valdyn | Jemt: no |
| 16:12.01 | Haris | ukwiz: postfix was .. bad? |
| 16:12.02 | Jemt | valdyn: Ok, thanks |
| 16:12.04 | enouf | ~$ tasksel --task-packages web-server |
| 16:12.07 | Haris | o_O |
| 16:12.08 | enouf | hides |
| 16:12.14 | noisesmith | yitz_: is some app hogging the xv overlay or something? you can manually specify -vo X11 or -vo SDL |
| 16:12.16 | amphi | Jemt: there is a way to flush the file cache |
| 16:12.19 | catsup | ukwiz: finding config files is really easy. they're all in /etc and named the same as the package. anyway you can just use postfix if you know that already. |
| 16:12.24 | valdyn | Jemt: long answer: linux is more intelligent about doing this than you can be, its autmagic |
| 16:12.34 | fromport | hi! anyone here with experience with grub-pc ? i installed lenny, but it cant find the ubuntu partition which is also on this system. anyone else encountered this problem ? |
| 16:12.47 | Jemt | valdyn: Okay, that's good enough for me :) |
| 16:12.51 | Bushmills | ukwiz: there was a guy earlier on here in this channel who suffered from a messed up config of postfix, as result of using a web based config frontend. |
| 16:13.01 | Jemt | amphi: The file cache ? Is that stored in RAM ? |
| 16:13.21 | lastnode | Jemt: also you may want to apt-get clean |
| 16:13.22 | valdyn | Jemt: you can clear the file cache to slow this down or to do a benchmark |
| 16:13.22 | catsup | valdyn: i duno about that. linux can't predict what you're about to start doing... |
| 16:13.27 | valdyn | Jemt: not to speed that up |
| 16:13.27 | Bushmills | well, his config didn't do what he wanted, but - he didn't know where and how to fix it because of using the config frontend |
| 16:13.27 | lastnode | Jemt: if youa re copyign teh entire folder |
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| 16:13.34 | lastnode | s/folder/drive |
| 16:13.35 | valdyn | catsup: thats not required. |
| 16:13.37 | enouf | sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 16:13.37 | noisesmith | Jempt: you can manually send a sync order, but that will not increase throughput |
| 16:13.51 | ukwiz | Haris: not bad, but it took time to work out what the various bits meant and how it all hung together. |
| 16:13.52 | Jemt | Ah, okay. Thanks |
| 16:14.22 | amphi | enouf: thats the one ;) |
| 16:14.27 | ukwiz | catsup: agreed, but understanding them enough is the problem |
| 16:14.34 | enouf | amphi: ;-) |
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| 16:15.21 | Haris | I can only download source packages with apt-get and not with aptitude? |
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| 16:15.32 | valdyn | Haris: no |
| 16:15.33 | lastnode | Haris: you can |
| 16:15.44 | ukwiz | Bushmills: yes, it is easy to mess up a config, but quite often it is enough to get you up and running so that you can then go back and look at the config files to see how it was done |
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| 16:15.57 | yitz_ | noisesmith: That seemed to work. Gonna try replacing the moz totem plugin with mplayer |
| 16:16.04 | Haris | reading |
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| 16:16.32 | Bushmills | ukwiz: his problem was that it wasn't running. well, sitting in mem and doing something but not what he needed. |
| 16:16.55 | yitz_ | Is the totem/mplayer plugin used to play YouTube? |
| 16:17.03 | valdyn | yitz_: no |
| 16:17.06 | noisesmith | yitz_: good idea, mplayer is much less of a cpu hog too, and: it can even display using ascii in an xterm :) |
| 16:17.13 | Bushmills | ukwiz: leaving him in a situation that he had some customized config files which were not really suited to do manual refinement on |
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| 16:17.23 | noisesmith | yitz_: if you download the flv mplayer can play it |
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| 16:17.43 | catsup | noisesmith: i don't think so, not in the browser |
| 16:17.53 | yitz_ | If YouTube isn't using Totem... why's it seizing up? Gah! |
| 16:18.09 | yitz_ | is frusterated |
| 16:18.15 | enouf | noisesmith: i usually stream the flv directly in mplayer ;-) |
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| 16:18.18 | Haris | updating with sources for unstable |
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| 16:18.35 | gigo | i play flv files with xine and they run just fine |
| 16:18.41 | catsup | noisesmith: oh, i parsed that wrong |
| 16:18.46 | valdyn | Haris: you are going to run a squid server on unstable? |
| 16:18.52 | valdyn | Haris: does that sound like a good idea? |
| 16:18.53 | noisesmith | yitz: because the flash player is a piece of crap |
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| 16:19.07 | yitz_ | Last week it was working... :( |
| 16:19.08 | Haris | valdyn: No, I'm going to check if it has squid3 stable2 on it |
| 16:19.19 | Haris | if stable2 is there, its worth getting? |
| 16:19.20 | black_13 | how does usplash transition xorg seemlessly |
| 16:19.24 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 16:19.24 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 16:19.36 | valdyn | Haris: no idea which benefits squid3 has |
| 16:19.39 | noisesmith | yitz: well, at least they opened the flash spec, so soon gnash should be 10x better than the adobe player |
| 16:19.42 | catsup | black_13: it doesn't? |
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| 16:19.55 | enouf | black_13: usplash is buggy to say the least |
| 16:19.56 | catsup | what? they opened the flash spec?? |
| 16:20.05 | noisesmith | yeah |
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| 16:20.08 | catsup | it's not usplash that is buggy, but Xorg |
| 16:20.09 | black_13 | enouf, explain |
| 16:20.12 | noisesmith | 100% unencumbered |
| 16:20.19 | catsup | noisesmith: unbelievable... |
| 16:20.20 | WormFood | ugh! I'm trying to do something like.... for i in `seq -w 1 60` ; do echo $i $(($i*60)) ; done....but I get an error of "bash: 08: value too great for base (error token is "08")".....anyone know a workaround/solution for this, other than removing the -w from seq or making 2 loops (one for 1-9 and one for 10+)? I'm at a loss for a solution |
| 16:20.24 | enouf | nothing to explain, it breaks your console |
| 16:20.26 | noisesmith | awesome, isn't it |
| 16:20.39 | enouf | noisesmith: URL? |
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| 16:20.55 | jescis | noisesmith: Because with X you can close the terminal emulator. But being that I'm not using Xscreen has to be killed in a different fashion if something goes not the way that one is expecting it to. In other words idk. :/ |
| 16:20.57 | yitz_ | youtube-dl isn't working for me. I'm running: youtube-dl 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBPWtng1dBA' -> Error: unable to extract URL parameters. |
| 16:20.57 | Haris | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free <- is this good? |
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| 16:21.32 | noisesmith | yitz: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/26417 |
| 16:21.40 | black_13 | catsup yet i have seen other distros to be unamed that transition from the splash to xorg with no text visible |
| 16:21.48 | KlrSp1 | Does anyone know how to restore default config files for apache? i did a purge and reinstall, and it's not placing a conf file there and apache won't start because of this |
| 16:21.52 | catsup | black_13: oh, that's what you meant... |
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| 16:22.00 | valdyn | WormFood: why are you using -w ? |
| 16:22.10 | cahoot | KlrSp1: try /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:22.13 | jelly-home | WormFood: printf |
| 16:22.15 | noisesmith | yitz: they are doing it because they want iphones to be able to use flash |
| 16:22.20 | Bushmills | WormFood: drop - -w in seq, do the formatting in the loop, using printf |
| 16:22.27 | catsup | black_13: i thought you meant Xorg was flashing your display when it started. |
| 16:22.34 | black_13 | catsup no no |
| 16:22.41 | valdyn | skipping -w does not change formatting |
| 16:22.43 | catsup | black_13: on my pc, that's the only problem |
| 16:23.00 | catsup | "This license does not permit the usage of the specification to create software which supports SWF file playback." |
| 16:23.01 | valdyn | rtt nm |
| 16:23.16 | KlrSp1 | cahoot: thankyou! |
| 16:23.24 | enouf | noisesmith: you mean ShockShitMonkeyButtSmacking Flash crap? ..or, just FLV? <-- ahh bingo catsup |
| 16:23.29 | noisesmith | catsup: where does it say that? I think that is what they just changed |
| 16:23.44 | Bushmills | valdyn: it does for the first $i |
| 16:23.44 | catsup | in the google cache'd version of their page |
| 16:23.57 | valdyn | Bushmills: aye |
| 16:23.59 | catsup | http://www.adobe.com/licensing/developer/fileformat/faq/ is now a broken link... |
| 16:24.30 | catsup | google still has the cache |
| 16:24.53 | enouf | hehe, even adobe.com is broken |
| 16:24.57 | catsup | "The Flash Player Source Code SDK contains a portable C++ source code version of Flash Player as well as documentation designed to help a third-party software or hardware developer easily port Flash Player to any platform." |
| 16:25.01 | WormFood | why I need -w is moot....I said I need a solution without removing the -w |
| 16:25.01 | noisesmith | what I heard was that they used to prohibit making a player, that is why gnash could not read the spec. They opened the spec for third party players, because they did not want to lose the embedded web market |
| 16:25.29 | WormFood | I just created the simplest command that would demonstrate my problem without giving the entire command I'm really doing |
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| 16:25.59 | yitz_ | On the one hand, that's great news, but on the other hand, I can't figure out why it was working fine last week and won't work now |
| 16:26.10 | fromport | Q: is there a designated irc channel for sid/lenny ? |
| 16:26.24 | lastnode | fromport: thsi is it |
| 16:26.27 | lastnode | :) |
| 16:26.36 | enouf | would the ((x=1; x<=60; x++)) construct work there? |
| 16:26.40 | WormFood | thanks, jelly-home and Bushmills....printf is what I need |
| 16:26.51 | enouf | oh nm .. |
| 16:26.51 | WormFood | no enouf, I need (want) that leading zero |
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| 16:26.57 | enouf | oh |
| 16:27.03 | WormFood | I just don't want it to take it as an octal digit |
| 16:27.04 | catsup | WormFood: add the leading zero after you do the math |
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| 16:27.24 | WormFood | it is easier to strip the leading zero, rather than adding it |
| 16:27.26 | WormFood | I think |
| 16:27.29 | catsup | it isn't |
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| 16:27.39 | fromport | lastnode: thanks. in that case nodoby else is running into the same problem i have with grub-pc . i'll ask later (again) |
| 16:27.46 | WormFood | I may need 2 or 3 leading zeroes |
| 16:28.17 | catsup | WormFood: well, then, strip the leading zero before you do the math |
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| 16:28.21 | WormFood | stripping them would require no changes....adding 2 or 3 leading zeroes would require me to change the printf statement, in addition to my seq part |
| 16:28.27 | WormFood | I will catsup |
| 16:28.36 | WormFood | I was not aware of 'printf' in bash...thanks guys |
| 16:28.48 | fromport | are there packages out with the 3.0beta5 browser of firefox/iceweasel ? |
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| 16:29.07 | catsup | WormFood: you've got a funny way of thinking about programming |
| 16:29.22 | lastnode | fromport: get the tar.gz and run it |
| 16:29.27 | n8ature | the 64bit debian distro for intel xeon processors is AMD64? what am i missing? |
| 16:29.37 | enouf | yep |
| 16:29.38 | WormFood | why is that funny? I want to make one change and have it work, not make 2 or 3 changes |
| 16:30.06 | WormFood | when I change it to 'seq -w 1 1000`, I don't want to change the printf formatting |
| 16:30.14 | WormFood | how is that funny? |
| 16:30.31 | enouf | n8ature: amd64 came up with the 64bit extensions first - so Intel pays a fee to license their EM64T variant ;-) |
| 16:30.35 | lastnode | n8ature: amd did 64 first? :p that's the distro for 64bit |
| 16:30.38 | enouf | (something like that) |
| 16:30.41 | WormFood | if you can think of a better way, I'm all ears |
| 16:30.45 | fromport | lastnode: that's what i did,but i'm not particarly fond of the whole /opt thing... |
| 16:30.45 | Haris | Where do I change in the source for squid3 to make it work with more than the default number of FDs? |
| 16:30.50 | Haris | The default is 4K |
| 16:30.51 | catsup | WormFood: it's funny that you think about the number of changes you have to make to your existing code |
| 16:30.51 | noisesmith | wormfood: I think he is talking about seperating calculation logic from display logic |
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| 16:31.01 | lastnode | fromport: i just have it in $HOME, and bind it to a key (ratpoison) |
| 16:31.01 | n8ature | ok.. makes sense then.. thanks |
| 16:31.06 | Bladerunner05 | Hello how may I change the charset of a script to utf-8 ? |
| 16:31.06 | enouf | n8ature: wikipedia will tell you the whole story |
| 16:31.15 | fromport | lastnode: :-) that's an idea ;-) thanks |
| 16:31.16 | catsup | WormFood: at least when you're talking about something so trivial |
| 16:31.17 | lastnode | fromport: as long as iceweasel is not open, it runs fine. if iw is open, it just opens a new ic window |
| 16:31.17 | Haris | I want to build it with 65K |
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| 16:31.30 | lastnode | iw |
| 16:31.36 | Bible | Hi to all |
| 16:31.39 | WormFood | less chance for mistakes when only 1 change is needed rather than multiple changes |
| 16:31.42 | Bible | I'm new here ;) |
| 16:31.56 | lastnode | hi Bible |
| 16:31.57 | WormFood | but I can also make it into a shell scrip easier if I format the math instead of the display |
| 16:31.58 | davidc007 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 16:32.01 | davidc007 | amd64 |
| 16:32.05 | Bible | hi lastnode |
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| 16:32.15 | WormFood | anyways, printf solves my problems....thanks again |
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| 16:32.18 | davidc007 | sry |
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| 16:35.30 | frank_white_ | ifconfig is to unix as ______ is to debian? |
| 16:35.56 | Bushmills | frank_white, hot chocolate? |
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| 16:36.04 | Cromag | blue chese |
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| 16:36.16 | noisesmith | frank_white: ifconfig |
| 16:36.40 | frank_white_ | haha thanks |
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| 16:36.52 | frank_white_ | i thought i had tried that, my bad |
| 16:36.56 | catsup | frank_white_: but /sbin/ip is hte new tool |
| 16:36.58 | catsup | for linux |
| 16:36.59 | Haris | ? |
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| 16:39.17 | magyar | hmm, when i do a "dpkg-reconfigure locales" the /etc/environment file is not being adjusted |
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| 16:39.46 | WormFood | hhhmmm....this is interesting....now I get an error on 08 and 09, but it does not stop my loop...."bash: printf: 08: invalid number" |
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| 16:39.59 | noisesmith | This is so weird... all my port 80 and port 22 times out on this machine, and not the other machine next to it, both using wifi with the same router *bangs head against wall* |
| 16:40.36 | catsup | WormFood: you understand why you're getting this error right? |
| 16:40.46 | WormFood | of course |
| 16:40.54 | WormFood | it is treating them as octal |
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| 16:41.13 | WormFood | of which digits 0-7 are the only valid digits |
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| 16:41.39 | xingu | noisesmith: does your "router" have port forwarding enabled for either of those two ports? |
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| 16:42.52 | noisesmith | xingu: I am not sure, I am not the one that set it up, but both of these laptops have the same network settings |
| 16:43.11 | WormFood | oh well...I'll just use sed ;) |
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| 16:43.26 | Haris | I don't understand how to get source with aptitude from man page. getting with apt-get |
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| 16:43.35 | davidc007 | installing etch amd64 r3 netinstall, configuring software raid just like http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 but at the point I should have a newly created Raid1 volume, it just isn't there. why? |
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| 16:44.22 | davidc007 | using two physical disks with 3 primary partions each, in raid 1; 5gb (boot) 500mb (swap, remaining for lvm) |
| 16:44.51 | noisesmith | oddly, if I start servers on the "wrong" port on the good machine, the one with the iffy network still cannot connect... so the protocol may be affecting it? |
| 16:45.24 | Haris | Guys, where do I tell the source package the number of FDs is 65K, before I build a .deb with it? |
| 16:46.17 | Haris | I tried grep, can't find anything relevant |
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| 16:48.02 | WormFood | and in case anyone is interested in what I'm really doing....I'm scripting mplayer to give me screen shots every 30 seconds, and renaming them, so I can make sure I download the videos I want from a slow link, so I'm not wasting time downloading shit I don't want |
| 16:48.12 | Bushmills | WormFood: again, drop the -w, for formatting with printf, like printf '%02d' "$i" |
| 16:48.59 | Bushmills | hates doing spoonfeeding |
| 16:49.06 | WormFood | no Bushmills...that requires me to change the 'seq' and the printf....using 2 seds I can just have it strip the 2 leading zeroes (or one leading zero) |
| 16:49.13 | Haris | http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/SquidAndWccp2#head-0144ded14ffbdf85bc24bbff4213794db2fde5ac |
| 16:49.15 | Haris | got it |
| 16:49.19 | WormFood | your solution sucks Bushmills....thanks for the effort tho |
| 16:49.25 | WormFood | I don't require spoonfeeding :P |
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| 16:50.14 | WormFood | and I'm very well versed in printf formatting....I sure as hell don't need your help to format leading zeroes with printf |
| 16:50.22 | Bushmills | WormFood: try i="02" ; echo $((i)) |
| 16:50.41 | Haris | squid source package/debian/* doesn't contain MAXFD :| |
| 16:50.43 | WormFood | Bushmills, try it with 08 |
| 16:51.10 | WormFood | it is moot....I have my solution that works for me |
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| 16:51.42 | WormFood | does it work Bushmills? no it does not....thanks for the effort tho |
| 16:51.46 | mercel | am sorry |
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| 16:52.14 | catsup | WormFood trolls... |
| 16:52.35 | mercel | yeah |
| 16:52.41 | noisesmith | wormfood can't you add the zeroes at the end of your pipeline, right before it is sent to mplayer, after all the math? |
| 16:52.57 | WormFood | noisesmith, not if I don't know how many zeroes I need |
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| 16:53.05 | mercel | i dont understand |
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| 16:53.13 | WormFood | like i said, it is easier to strip the zeroes than to add them |
| 16:53.28 | noisesmith | wormfood: if you have a fixed fieldwidth, just tell printf that, that is what printf is for |
| 16:53.36 | catsup | WormFood is full of shit. he's using "two seds" just because he wants someone to point out he doesn't need sed... |
| 16:53.39 | Haris | I cna find two file ./configure and ./configure.in with SQUID_MAXFD, but they have alot of occurances |
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| 16:53.48 | Haris | There's no single point, where I can make the change |
| 16:53.52 | WormFood | mplayer will give me a file called 0000001.jpg for every frame....I have to rename that to something more useful |
| 16:53.56 | CY`Octal | Hi dudes, I've got a problem with my debian. Since now a few months, I'm trying to get sound: I have a Realtek ALC888 chipset and an ATI Radeon HD 2900XT with an HDMI Audio support |
| 16:54.11 | davidc007 | anyone know why a software raid volume created in the install dialog wouldn't show up? |
| 16:54.12 | noisesmith | Haris: try ./configure SQUID_MAXFD=<foo> |
| 16:54.18 | WormFood | catsup, I'm quite happy using 2 seds....I don't need a better solution |
| 16:54.28 | CY`Octal | However, Even if I compile on my own the last alsa drivers (1.16), I can't get sound on my debian |
| 16:54.36 | CY`Octal | Has anyone an idea to help me ? |
| 16:54.42 | CY`Octal | I'm now bored to not get sound |
| 16:54.49 | WormFood | there is more than one way to do it, I'm doing it the way that gives me 1 change to my line, not 2 or 3 changes |
| 16:54.56 | noisesmith | cy'octal the modules are loaded and the mixer is adjusted? |
| 16:54.58 | Haris | noisesmith: Well, I know I can do that, but is that the only way? |
| 16:55.06 | Bushmills | WormFood: i="08" ; echo $(( 1$i-100 )) |
| 16:55.06 | Bushmills | :P |
| 16:55.09 | CY`Octal | Well, wait |
| 16:55.13 | Haris | I thought it'd just be a change in config in some file |
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| 16:55.50 | CY`Octal | I don't know if mixer is adjusted |
| 16:56.01 | CY`Octal | I believe that alsaconf didn't adjust it when I tried |
| 16:56.12 | noisesmith | cy`octal: alsamixergui |
| 16:56.16 | noisesmith | if you are running x |
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| 16:56.35 | WormFood | well, I'm impressed Bushmills, that is a clever solution, but moot at this point, because I've already solved my problem |
| 16:56.39 | CY`Octal | ok |
| 16:56.58 | yitz_ | Any clue how to change where Firefox looks for plugins and where the firefox 'components' directory is? |
| 16:57.11 | WormFood | anyways, it is almost 1am, and I'm going to bed...thanks for the help, even tho I solved it on my own :P |
| 16:57.48 | cahoot | CY`Octal: http://dontfeedtheseagulls.com/2008/05/04/realtek-alc888-and-ubuntu-hardy-heron-low-audio-problem/ |
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| 16:59.35 | MarcWeber | What does [security] (end of title) on packages.debian.org mean ? (http://packages.debian.org/etch/dovecot-common) |
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| 16:59.50 | CY`Octal | Oh cool, alsamixer doesn't want to launch itself |
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| 17:00.11 | noisesmith | cy`octal: sounds like a permissions problem or the driver is not loaded |
| 17:00.20 | noisesmith | can root run alsamixergui? |
| 17:00.35 | noisesmith | alsamixer only runs in a terminal, but I do prefer it over alsamixergui |
| 17:00.37 | CY`Octal | gonna try |
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| 17:00.53 | catsup | MarcWeber: i'd guess it means it's on the security.debian.org repository, which is for security updates to stable |
| 17:00.58 | chris_goe | Q: is there a linux-image available for debian/stable, which would run as a Xen dom0 but *without* PAE support? |
| 17:01.10 | mercel | am back |
| 17:01.26 | chris_goe | I can't use the PAE hypervisor, so I'm looking for a -nonpae dom0 kernel |
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| 17:01.52 | CY`Octal | nothing to do ... |
| 17:01.58 | CY`Octal | root can't run it |
| 17:02.00 | mercel | am back |
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| 17:02.12 | mercel | jjjjj |
| 17:02.13 | MarcWeber | catsup: So this mean it might have security issues? |
| 17:02.14 | noisesmith | is the module loaded? what is the error message? |
| 17:02.19 | xingu | WormFood: for i in `seq -w 1 60`; do echo $i $((10#$i*60)); done |
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| 17:02.24 | catsup | MarcWeber: that means that some security issue was fixhed |
| 17:02.34 | mercel | i love food |
| 17:02.35 | CY`Octal | I don't have any error |
| 17:02.43 | CY`Octal | gonna check dmesg |
| 17:02.45 | mercel | why |
| 17:03.29 | catsup | MarcWeber: so yes: the fact that some security issue existed, does mean that it might have another one ;) |
| 17:03.33 | CY`Octal | WHen i run lsmod, module is loaded |
| 17:03.35 | xingu | wonders why people don't read manpages... |
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| 17:03.37 | WormFood | that is a new one on me xingu....I'll have to check that out....what does "#" do in this context? (I didn't notice that in the bash manpage) |
| 17:03.39 | MarcWeber | catsup So it is for sys-admins so that they know they should get this version? |
| 17:03.45 | abrotman | xingu: words are scary .. newspapers are dying too! |
| 17:03.49 | xingu | WormFood: sets the arithmetic base |
| 17:04.01 | MarcWeber | catsup: That's the point.. if there is no fixed issue yo can't conlude there are none.. |
| 17:04.04 | catsup | MarcWeber: the purpose of that repo is so that people can upgrade their stable machines to have security updates |
| 17:04.09 | noisesmith | cy`octal: and alsamixer just silently fails in a terminal, with no error message? |
| 17:04.24 | MarcWeber | catsup: And if there is another one you can't flag it? |
| 17:04.31 | CY`Octal | yes |
| 17:04.44 | MarcWeber | catsup: It would make sense to have something like security-update-3 so that you know if you have -2 you should get -3 |
| 17:04.49 | catsup | MarcWeber: see, stable doesn't include updates for new upstream versions; rather, security updates to newer versions are backported to the versions in debian |
| 17:04.54 | WormFood | very nice....I overlooked that in the man page xingu |
| 17:05.06 | noisesmith | cy`octal: did you say you have multiple sound cards |
| 17:05.08 | catsup | MarcWeber: you just include security.debian.org in your sources.list and apt-get upgrade to get security udpates |
| 17:05.29 | mercel | i do u mean |
| 17:05.43 | CY`Octal | noisesmith: yep I have a Realtek ALC888 and an HDMI Audio Device with my Radeon card |
| 17:05.45 | WormFood | you don't need the '10' (according to the man page, I didn't read it all) |
| 17:05.47 | noisesmith | cy`octal: if so, try alsamixer -c 1 for the second card -c 2 for the third, etc. |
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| 17:06.42 | WormFood | but when I omit the "10" I get an error |
| 17:06.51 | CY`Octal | erk well noisesmith |
| 17:06.54 | CY`Octal | alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 17:07.09 | mercel | bye |
| 17:07.14 | xingu | WormFood: ...((#$i*60... won't parse; if you use #, you must specify a base; the base# is optional and base-10 is assumed - unless - as you've discovered the variable parses as octal (or indeed hex) |
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| 17:07.28 | noisesmith | cy`octal: I get that when a driver is not loaded, or is broken |
| 17:07.46 | CY`Octal | when I run lsmod, I have snd_* loaded |
| 17:08.06 | CY`Octal | maybe the driver is broken |
| 17:08.12 | catsup | xingu: i think WormFood is trolling |
| 17:08.18 | noisesmith | cy`octal including the snd_realtek or whatever? |
| 17:08.19 | WormFood | oh...I see....I misread the man page |
| 17:08.34 | CY`Octal | snd_hda_intel |
| 17:08.38 | WormFood | actually catsup, you are the one trolling |
| 17:08.51 | WormFood | thanks xingu, I learned something new today |
| 17:08.51 | indro | anyone know which perl package has this module? Net::HTTP module |
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| 17:09.25 | cult_acamas | hi all |
| 17:10.25 | cult_acamas | what would you say is the nicest way to get an uptodate php on etch? dotdeb packages? compiling by yourself? fetch packages from testing? |
| 17:10.42 | catsup | indro: perl libraries X::Y::Z are generally packaged like libx-y-z-perl... there's no libnet-http-perl so i'd guess it's not in debian. |
| 17:10.48 | MarcWeber | Is there an easy way when looking at http://packages.debian.org/etch/dovecot-imapd to determine wether this package is main, contrib or non-free? |
| 17:11.04 | Bushmills | indro: might be libwww-perl |
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| 17:12.01 | abrotman | indro: you can use dh-make-perl |
| 17:12.09 | catsup | libwww-perl is different, although i bet it's better |
| 17:12.18 | Bushmills | MarcWeber: apt-cache policy dovecot-imapd |
| 17:14.04 | noisesmith | cult_acamas: php5 is availible, but if you want to get upstream changes immediatly, you need to sacrifice debian stability and follow their upstream |
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| 17:14.22 | jelly-home | !find /usr/share/perl5/Net/HTTP.pm |
| 17:14.29 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/perl5/Net/HTTP.pm' returned no results. |
| 17:14.33 | catsup | cult_acamas: see if there's a backport |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: leave off leading / |
| 17:15.12 | jelly-home | it's in libwww-perl, fwiw |
| 17:15.14 | abrotman | !tell cult_acamas about backports |
| 17:15.17 | indro | catsup: i searched for something like that but doesnt found anything. |
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| 17:15.22 | CY`Octal | Ok when I run alsaconf in root |
| 17:15.27 | jelly-home | !find /Net/HTTP.pm |
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| 17:15.28 | CY`Octal | Setting default volumes... it stays there |
| 17:15.28 | MarcWeber | Bushmills Thanks. Which is the relation dpkg and apt-cache? The apt-cache has listed dovecot, but dpkg -l 'dove*' didn't ? |
| 17:15.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/Net/HTTP.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Net/HTTP.pm) in perl/libwww-perl. |
| 17:15.34 | pablo | hi, which do you prefer deborphan or debfoster? |
| 17:15.39 | valdyn | MarcWeber: the fact that you see nothing means its main |
| 17:15.47 | netdaemon | pablo, i prefer aptitude |
| 17:15.47 | indro | humm okay, will install that then, thanks. :) |
| 17:15.48 | valdyn | MarcWeber: compare to http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:15.51 | Bushmills | MarcWeber: they use the same package database files |
| 17:16.04 | noisesmith | cy`octal: I cannot figure out why alsaconf would work, and not alsamixer |
| 17:16.08 | catsup | ah! |
| 17:16.38 | pablo | MarcWeber: swfdec works fine and it is free sowtware |
| 17:16.43 | Bushmills | MarcWeber: dpkg -l string shows the installed packages |
| 17:16.44 | CY`Octal | the both are not woring |
| 17:17.01 | noisesmith | I think that means a broken driver |
| 17:17.05 | noisesmith | or a broken card |
| 17:17.16 | valdyn | MarcWeber: dpkg only knows about installed packages, apt-* knows about available packages and uses dpkg to know about installed packages |
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| 17:17.21 | pablo | hi, how do i remove old logs that are now gzipped? |
| 17:17.24 | noisesmith | it could be something obscrure like an irq.. I am iffy on that part |
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| 17:17.35 | CY`Octal | my cards are working on Win |
| 17:17.42 | noisesmith | pablo: maybe logrotate is the package you want? |
| 17:17.43 | catsup | pablo: /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 17:17.59 | Bushmills | ehm. forgot what i just said |
| 17:18.02 | Bushmills | forget |
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| 17:18.34 | Mark17 | hello, where does debian install the mysql library by default (if you install with apt-get install)? |
| 17:19.00 | MarcWeber | valdyn, Bushmills Thanks |
| 17:19.10 | noisesmith | cy`octal try comparing the irqs the cards get under windows to the irq under linux, I think there is a way to force a particular irq when loading the module, or something... I get hazy about that part |
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| 17:19.29 | CY`Octal | Mhh I think I'll isntall anything else like Arch |
| 17:19.37 | CY`Octal | and I'll see if it works |
| 17:19.41 | CY`Octal | but thx for your help |
| 17:19.47 | noisesmith | a live cd would be a quick test |
| 17:19.48 | noisesmith | np |
| 17:20.16 | catsup | Mark17: what do you mean the mysql library? |
| 17:20.21 | pablo | should i add the volatile repos? |
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| 17:22.05 | enouf | Mark17: /msg dpkg search (hint; use dpkg -L pkgname) |
| 17:22.07 | Bushmills | pablo: for logs, configure logrotate |
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| 17:22.21 | Bushmills | pablo: you can specify there how long the gzipped logs are kept |
| 17:22.22 | cult_acamas | noisesmith catsup abrotman: thanks. i try a backport. i dont need the most current version, but the one shipped with etch doesnt have some features |
| 17:22.39 | Mark17 | catsup: i need to know where the mysql library is located (for powermail) |
| 17:22.51 | pablo | Bushmills: ok thanks, by default how long are they kept? |
| 17:23.15 | Bushmills | pablo: depends on the log file, can be specified per file, directory or pattern |
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| 17:23.36 | catsup | Mark17: yes but it's not clear what you mean by 'the mysql library'. you can get a list of files in the mysql-server package here: http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/mysql-server-5.0/filelist (or if you have it installed, with dpkg -L as enouf said) |
| 17:23.40 | pablo | Bushmills: ok thx |
| 17:23.42 | enouf | iinm, /lib and /usr/lib are the locations, but those other commands will tell you |
| 17:23.43 | noisesmith | mark17: is this a dynamic library? if so ldd <executable> lists all the libs it loads, and the locations ld would load them from |
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| 17:24.15 | vinc456 | how can i get M-x to work with emacs in konsole? |
| 17:25.07 | noisesmith | you can bind some other key to act like M in emacs (I don't remember how off the top of my head, but it is easy). I don't know konsole, at all |
| 17:25.12 | enouf | for some reason methinks Mark17 is looking for what's analagous to Audacity wanting to know where libmp3lame.so is at ;-) |
| 17:25.14 | catsup | vinc456: try uxrvt :) |
| 17:25.28 | enouf | (or similar) |
| 17:25.33 | Zacaa | Hello, I've installed my nvidia drivers and everything works fine until I reboot my system then they don't work anymore and I can't start X, anyone experienced this before or could anyone help me with this? |
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| 17:25.40 | mauro | good evening |
| 17:25.47 | enouf | good morning |
| 17:26.13 | catsup | good afternoon |
| 17:26.13 | mauro | can i have help?? i must install libffi4, but it depeands to gcc-4.3.0.3 |
| 17:26.31 | noisesmith | zacaa: is the driver in your /etc/modules file? |
| 17:26.43 | enouf | Zacaa: xorg,conf needs "nvidia"? or some module, like maybe "dri" or "drm" ? |
| 17:26.57 | mauro | and i have installed debian sid that tooday upgrade gcc-4.3.0-3 to 0-4? |
| 17:26.58 | noisesmith | zacaa: there should be a single line that just says "nvidia" |
| 17:27.33 | enouf | Zacaa: /msg dpkg drxx for correct xorg configuring ;-) |
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| 17:27.56 | Zacaa | that's right, I have set the driver to nvidia, once installed, and when I edit my config file and then start X, everything works, nvidia works, until I reboot |
| 17:27.59 | Zacaa | then it stops working |
| 17:28.09 | Zacaa | /msg dpkg drxx |
| 17:28.12 | Zacaa | whoops |
| 17:28.15 | simonrvn | mauro: you shouldn't install sid unless you know how to deal with that sort of thing.... /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:28.17 | enouf | misfire |
| 17:28.18 | catsup | Zacaa: is it loading hte module on boot? |
| 17:28.22 | noisesmith | zacaa: is nvidia in your /etc/modules? |
| 17:29.24 | Zacaa | nope noisesmith, I don't see it there |
| 17:29.28 | mauro | simonrvn: yes i know, but now i have this problem and i want to resolve it...you can help me? |
| 17:29.34 | noisesmith | zacaa: guess how to fix that :) |
| 17:29.41 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache depends libffi4 here, shows Depends: gcc-4.3-base |
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| 17:30.56 | simonrvn | mauro: i just told you how to fix it |
| 17:31.10 | enouf | mauro: there's no need to constantly update and upgrade every single day ;-) do "/msg dpkg grounding" in your irc client |
| 17:32.58 | sortudo_78 | how do o completely remove the pakage wine-0.9.61.tar.bz2 that i had installed from these machine ? |
| 17:33.04 | abrotman | wtf .. how do people end up on sid |
| 17:33.13 | abrotman | sortudo_78: that's not a package .. |
| 17:33.19 | simonrvn | doing dumb things... |
| 17:33.22 | noisesmith | sortudo_78: use apt next time |
| 17:33.51 | noisesmith | sortudo_78: manually delete the install targets from the makefile |
| 17:33.54 | simonrvn | enouf: there isn't? ;p |
| 17:34.14 | sortudo_78 | but these newer version that i need is not at apt repository :( |
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| 17:34.31 | enouf | simonrvn: heh |
| 17:34.38 | simonrvn | sortudo_78: wine.budgetdedicated.com has etch stuff |
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| 17:35.57 | abrotman | which the wine website metnions |
| 17:36.01 | sortudo_78 | Debian Etch (4.0): 0.9.58 i386 | 0.9.58 amd64 >>> i deen 0.9.61 |
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| 17:36.08 | sortudo_78 | i need 0.9.61 |
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| 17:36.32 | abrotman | how does it feel to need? :) |
| 17:36.46 | markybob | gives sortudo some cheese |
| 17:36.50 | enouf | !need |
| 17:36.51 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 17:37.17 | sortudo_78 | please, how can i revove a make installation??? |
| 17:37.24 | simonrvn | i disagree about beer |
| 17:37.26 | enouf | raises a cheer and buys everyone attending a round ;-) |
| 17:37.42 | noisesmith | sortudo_78: you could make it install to a directory like /opt/wine and manually add that to your PATH and your /etc/ldconfig |
| 17:37.50 | enouf | simonrvn: i drink stronger stuff ;-) |
| 17:38.05 | markybob | sortudo_78 if make uninstall doesnt work, you have to manually do it. which is why we use packages |
| 17:38.10 | noisesmith | sortudo_78: that way you can at least do a clean whipe |
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| 17:38.19 | simonrvn | only alkies need beer |
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| 17:38.40 | enouf | alkalines? |
| 17:38.41 | sortudo_78 | ok i will try make unistall |
| 17:38.42 | enouf | :-P |
| 17:39.10 | Bushmills | enouf: http://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/bushmills.jpg :) |
| 17:39.20 | enouf | or reinstall with paco, or strace or somecrap and see what gets installed where |
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| 17:39.41 | chris_goe | any Xen users here? |
| 17:39.54 | enouf | Bushmills: now we're talkin' mate ;-) |
| 17:40.25 | sortudo_78 | no rules for make unistall :(((( |
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| 17:40.44 | enouf | Bushmills: you look nice and hopped up man ;-) .. hope the call girls are nearby ;-P |
| 17:40.46 | abrotman | sortudo_78: ask #winehq how to uninstall their source stuff |
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| 17:41.29 | valdyn | sortudo_78: you got this stuff into /usr/local somewhere most likely |
| 17:41.40 | valdyn | sortudo_78: you cant break debian by rm -r /usr/local/* |
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| 17:41.58 | sortudo_78 | please, someone could give me a step by step to how install wine from .tar.bz2 pakeges? |
| 17:42.01 | cesar` | hi people |
| 17:42.02 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 17:42.09 | abrotman | sortudo_78: ask #winehq how to uninstall their source stuff |
| 17:42.16 | valdyn | sortudo_78: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" and use the sid release |
| 17:42.34 | sodio | cesar`: hi |
| 17:42.38 | cesar` | i have installed in a computer of 64 bits |
| 17:42.39 | sortudo_78 | ok going to #winehq tkahs a lot |
| 17:42.41 | sortudo_78 | byebye |
| 17:42.48 | cesar` | sodio : hi |
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| 17:42.59 | enouf | Bushmills: you have a stupid away message |
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| 17:43.17 | cesar` | a Debian 64 bits... and |
| 17:43.23 | noisesmith | sortudo_78: you could try script followed by make install, when you exit it will save the script, and you can manually delete the things that the script recorded it installing (most make install targets echo as they copy) |
| 17:43.29 | cesar` | some archives |
| 17:43.36 | cesar` | has problems |
| 17:43.45 | valdyn | or he could just use checkinstall |
| 17:43.46 | cesar` | the error message is this |
| 17:43.51 | valdyn | or the real debian package |
| 17:43.52 | cesar` | invalid ELF header - |
| 17:44.07 | noisesmith | valdyn: that does not help him get rid of the old one |
| 17:44.15 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, I am running Lenny as my desktop, I got Nvidia 8600GT card, however I can not get it to work, I have followed all the guide lines, however on reboot, xorg fails to load 'nvidia' driver. Please help...... ? |
| 17:44.20 | valdyn | noisesmith: oh, i already told him how to get rid of it safely |
| 17:44.25 | enouf | valdyn: thanks, could'nt recall the name 'checkinstall' |
| 17:44.34 | noisesmith | valdyn: my bad |
| 17:44.35 | cesar` | ldconfig: invalid ELF header - |
| 17:44.42 | valdyn | noisesmith: checkinstall is good for it too though |
| 17:44.55 | pred2k3 | hi, when I use -D 1080 as ssh parameter it acts as socks server, my problem is, that clients from outside arent able to use it, is it an iptables thing? |
| 17:45.14 | cesar` | always the programs with problem are .so |
| 17:45.25 | valdyn | pred2k3: which device is between that server and the intarweb? |
| 17:45.32 | pred2k3 | nothing ^^ |
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| 17:45.40 | pred2k3 | just a router, its at home |
| 17:45.48 | valdyn | pred2k3: right, a router is nothing |
| 17:45.54 | pred2k3 | :) |
| 17:45.55 | cesar` | what can is happen? |
| 17:45.57 | enouf | valdyn: but i disagree with that rm /usr/local/ command above .. so be it |
| 17:46.04 | cesar` | corrupt instalation? |
| 17:46.04 | valdyn | pred2k3: fix your nothing, it needs port forwarding enabled for that port, likely |
| 17:46.10 | pred2k3 | no |
| 17:46.12 | Bushmills | enouf: wasn't aware that i had one at all - says "away auto-reply: never" in config here. |
| 17:46.13 | pred2k3 | both home pcs |
| 17:46.19 | pred2k3 | same network |
| 17:46.22 | enouf | simply b/c it'll remove everything within, no matter |
| 17:46.31 | valdyn | pred2k3: i thought "outside" meant internet |
| 17:46.36 | pred2k3 | no sorry |
| 17:46.36 | enouf | Bushmills: no worries ;-) |
| 17:46.40 | pred2k3 | it means other pcs |
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| 17:46.50 | noisesmith | cesar` .so are libraries, are you installing the right ones for your cpu? |
| 17:46.54 | valdyn | pred2k3: activate that ssh, run netstat -plunt to see if its listening |
| 17:46.59 | pred2k3 | ya |
| 17:47.00 | pred2k3 | its listening |
| 17:47.14 | valdyn | pred2k3: "telnet server port" from the other box to see if its reachable |
| 17:47.30 | valdyn | pred2k3: and if that doesnt work, its iptables or whatever else is in between |
| 17:47.36 | cesar` | i did "apt-get dist-upgrade" and when during the instalation of programs the error are repeating for a lot of libraries |
| 17:47.37 | pred2k3 | ok |
| 17:47.59 | JonathanD | wc |
| 17:48.08 | noisesmith | cesar`: did you upgrade to a new libc version or something? |
| 17:48.12 | enouf | Bushmills: dude, i keep getting "Bushmills is away: Away" when trying to send a pm |
| 17:48.13 | cesar` | yes |
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| 17:48.39 | noisesmith | cesar` is the upgrade done? interrupted? |
| 17:48.45 | Inc | how do you add a user to a specific group again? |
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| 17:48.53 | cesar` | interrupted |
| 17:48.59 | cesar` | the program |
| 17:49.15 | cesar` | xdebconfigurator |
| 17:49.29 | cesar` | had problems.. and the instalation stop |
| 17:49.43 | noisesmith | cesar` what versions were you upgrading between? |
| 17:49.44 | Bushmills | not "away" anymore |
| 17:50.04 | cesar` | then i try again install |
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| 17:50.45 | noisesmith | isn't xdebconfigurator just for configuring X11? |
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| 17:50.58 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 17:50.58 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 17:50.59 | cesar` | yes |
| 17:51.14 | cesar` | xdebconfigurator_1.32_all.deb isn't work |
| 17:51.34 | cesar` | and so I reintall xdebconfigurator_1.31_all.deb |
| 17:51.41 | noisesmith | ok |
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| 17:52.07 | cesar` | dpkg -i --force-overwrite xdebconfigurator_1.31_all.deb |
| 17:52.07 | dpkg | removes a liver from cesar` and replaces it with --force-overwrite xdebconfigurator_1.31_all.deb |
| 17:52.35 | pred2k3 | valdyn |
| 17:52.38 | pred2k3 | I got it |
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| 17:52.53 | cesar` | well.. but.. is posible that libc6 has other error? |
| 17:52.56 | pred2k3 | i had to do 0.0.0.0:1080 |
| 17:53.13 | cesar` | and so .. i have problems with libraries .so now? |
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| 17:53.21 | disco- | I've just installed debian on an old box and am getting some weird terminal behaviour over SSH. The terminal basically freezes and won't update until I press a key, so in something like top it just shows the same thing until I press a key, and then I get a ton of updates in a fraction of a second |
| 17:53.38 | noisesmith | cesar`: what programs are broken? |
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| 17:53.52 | disco- | Also, top with a delay of 0.5 is taking up 25% cpu of a P4 2.8, that can't be good either |
| 17:54.02 | disco- | Anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:54.02 | valdyn | pred2k3: because it was listening local only? |
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| 17:54.13 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 17:54.22 | Doug52392 | Can I copy a DVD to another DVD with the dd command? |
| 17:54.32 | Bushmills | disco-: how many processes? |
| 17:54.39 | valdyn | Doug52392: why not use growisofs ? |
| 17:55.03 | disco- | normal, about 70ish |
| 17:55.07 | Doug52392 | whats that? |
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| 17:55.18 | valdyn | Doug52392: a dvd burning command line program |
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| 17:55.46 | Bushmills | disco-: yes, a bit high. about 2% here, over ssh, with 160 processes |
| 17:56.01 | cesar` | the first time when i saw this type of error was trying load this lobrary of ruby on rails.. this library is installed from gems... "gem install ruby-informix --version '0.7.1' |
| 17:56.16 | enouf | Doug52392: got two DVD drives? one a writer? |
| 17:56.27 | disco- | Bushmills: I've got a feeling that it's to do with my frozen terminal, as when I hit a key it spikes up to about 60%, rather worrying |
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| 17:56.43 | cesar` | so.. i tryed did this "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 17:56.47 | pred2k3 | yes valdyn |
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| 17:57.13 | Doug52392 | I have 2 DVD drives, one is a built in one, the other is USB |
| 17:57.16 | noisesmith | cesar`: that is the command for changing debian versions |
| 17:57.20 | enouf | growisofs -Z -dvd-compat /dev/sda=/dev/sdb -R -J (or like so) |
| 17:57.44 | enouf | install dvd+rw-tools |
| 17:57.45 | cesar` | so.. i saw a lot of libraries with the same message error "ldconfig: .so: |
| 17:57.45 | valdyn | Doug52392: growifso -Z /dev/dvd_with_empty_disk=/dev/dvd_with_data_disk should work i guess |
| 17:57.45 | cesar` | invalid ELF header -" |
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| 17:58.23 | noisesmith | cesar`: one issue could be if you have lots of manually compiled programs linked to the old libc version |
| 17:58.36 | enouf | Doug52392: if you think you're going to copy commercially pressed DVDs that way though, forget about it ;-) |
| 17:58.38 | noisesmith | they will all need to be recompiled, I think |
| 17:59.04 | Bushmills | disco-: how long will update be alive after pressing a key? |
| 17:59.04 | valdyn | that doesnt make sense, elf headers didnt change |
| 17:59.06 | Doug52392 | I don't see any Copyprotection logo on this DVD :) |
| 17:59.16 | cesar` | but... before this problems ... i did "apt-get dist-upgrade" and a problem with "xdebcondifurator-1.32" stop the instalation |
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| 17:59.54 | cesar` | recompille all? how? dpkg-recofigure -a? |
| 17:59.55 | disco- | Bushmills: It just does one refresh and then freezes again |
| 18:00.00 | noisesmith | cesar: you don't need xdebconfigurator any more if you have x working |
| 18:00.10 | cesar` | yes |
| 18:00.13 | valdyn | !info xdepconfigurator |
| 18:00.19 | valdyn | !info xdebconfigurator |
| 18:00.24 | catsup | disco-: the reason for that cpu spike-- |
| 18:00.24 | dpkg | xdebconfigurator: (A script used with debconf to autoconfigure xserver-xorg), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.33 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 18:00.30 | pred2k3 | is it possible to make ssh write a pid to file on startup? |
| 18:00.42 | valdyn | pred2k3: whats the goal? |
| 18:00.44 | catsup | disco-: is probably that top is updating the screen 1094092409 times in a row |
| 18:00.49 | cesar` | noisesmith: but.. if i upgrade libc6? what you think? |
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| 18:01.01 | Doug52392 | Its running now |
| 18:01.03 | Doug52392 | Thanks :) |
| 18:01.08 | noisesmith | cesar`: I only meant that in the situation where you have manually installed packages that broke, if you don't you can ignore that |
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| 18:01.16 | pred2k3 | just want to check if ssh is still up |
| 18:01.19 | catsup | disco-: what if you hit space about every .5 seconds, does top still take up lots of cpu? |
| 18:01.38 | disco- | catsup: what should I set the top refresh rate to? |
| 18:01.41 | noisesmith | a half-upgraded system is going to be barely if at all usable, so it is essential to either undo or finish the upgrade |
| 18:01.44 | valdyn | pred2k3: you want to bring it back up once its down? |
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| 18:01.52 | pred2k3 | yes, without autossh ;) |
| 18:01.52 | valdyn | pred2k3: "apt-cache show autossh" |
| 18:01.57 | valdyn | pred2k3: ah |
| 18:02.13 | catsup | disco-: that's not it, it's that your terminal is hanging, so that multiple top updates, that are supposed to have a delay between them, are done all at once |
| 18:02.47 | cesar` | i install all the package trougth "apt-get install" ... nothing are installed out of this procedure |
| 18:02.53 | disco- | catsup: ok, well top is using about 30% cpu with two presses per second |
| 18:03.10 | disco- | catsup: Actually I lie |
| 18:03.19 | catsup | disco-: what if you run top in a detached screen? |
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| 18:03.30 | catsup | i mean screen(1) |
| 18:03.34 | pred2k3 | I think I should solve I will solve it with pgrep and awk |
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| 18:03.48 | valdyn | pred2k3: start-stop-daemon is made for this |
| 18:03.54 | disco- | catsup: top uses more cpu the faster I update it |
| 18:03.57 | valdyn | pred2k3: though im not sure whats wrong with autossh |
| 18:04.03 | pred2k3 | start-stop-daemon? |
| 18:04.13 | valdyn | pred2k3: see manpage |
| 18:04.16 | noisesmith | cesar`: in aptitude, it should list broken packages, and hitting e should let you browse them and check for fixes |
| 18:04.24 | catsup | pred2k3: quick'n'dirty: ps -C ssh |
| 18:04.37 | cesar` | well.. i will try reinstall o recompile libc6 and maybe the problem dissapear |
| 18:04.37 | Bushmills | pred2k3: there are daemontools, usable for keeping a process running |
| 18:04.54 | enouf | catsup: stop it, you're turning me on :-P |
| 18:04.55 | cesar` | i will see aptitude too |
| 18:04.58 | pred2k3 | cool |
| 18:05.05 | catsup | enouf: that's usually my signal to keep going |
| 18:05.08 | omry | my boot/grub/menu.lst gets messed up every time my (stock) kernel is upgraded. |
| 18:05.12 | Bushmills | pred2k3: is your problem due to network reconnect and change of ip address because of dynamic ip? |
| 18:05.21 | pred2k3 | no |
| 18:05.27 | enouf | hehe, no porb here |
| 18:05.35 | pred2k3 | network failures ;) |
| 18:05.41 | pred2k3 | at "work" |
| 18:05.51 | Bushmills | pred2k3: consider to use screen or openvpn |
| 18:05.54 | disco- | catsup: It uses basically exactly the same while in a detached screen |
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| 18:05.57 | pred2k3 | Im using openvpn |
| 18:06.00 | catsup | disco-: bizarre |
| 18:06.03 | enouf | omry: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:06.03 | Bushmills | both can be used to reconnect to running session |
| 18:06.13 | cesar` | i tryed yesterday install "qemu" to try install the apliction inside this instalation but.. i didn't install qemu |
| 18:06.15 | pred2k3 | openvpn through ssh |
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| 18:06.19 | omry | enouf, lenny/sid |
| 18:06.26 | Bushmills | i thought the other way around :) |
| 18:06.34 | Nazcafan | I think my / partition is getting too small for all the stuff that is in |
| 18:06.39 | cesar` | my debian is ill |
| 18:06.41 | Bushmills | ssh through openvpn .. |
| 18:06.42 | pred2k3 | in detail: openvpn through javatunnel (udp -> tcp) through ssh |
| 18:06.42 | Nazcafan | I should do some cleanout |
| 18:06.42 | cesar` | :-D |
| 18:06.47 | Nazcafan | cleanup |
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| 18:07.26 | enouf | omry: well, do you have in /etc/kernel-img.conf this--> postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 18:07.48 | omry | enouf, maybe you should know what "messed up" means first? |
| 18:07.56 | Gorbulas | how many files is it safe to put into an ext3 folder? |
| 18:08.01 | enouf | omry: lmao, ok, i'm game |
| 18:08.26 | catsup | Gorbulas: it depends on whether you have b-trees enabled |
| 18:08.42 | Gorbulas | I haven't messed with the settings |
| 18:08.48 | omry | enouf, :). it replaces the root device for the kernel with a wrong one. |
| 18:08.49 | Nazcafan | hey, when apt-get upgrading, I get this message very often now : database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db failed to load. |
| 18:09.03 | enouf | 32K generally Gorbulas |
| 18:09.08 | Nazcafan | Any clue about that? |
| 18:09.09 | omry | for example, it replaces: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18rv3 root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/8397dc08-be26-491d-9a06-c3fc93303d82 ro single with kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18rv3 root=/dev/hda1 ro single |
| 18:09.15 | omry | which wont boot on my machine |
| 18:09.20 | omry | (been there, done that) |
| 18:09.31 | Haris | Would having these on etch break it? -> |
| 18:09.31 | Haris | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libldap2-dev libpam0g-dev libdb-dev dpatch (>= 2.0.9) cdbs libsasl2-dev debhelper (>= 5) libcppunit-dev |
| 18:09.32 | Haris | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 18:09.42 | enouf | omry: your # groot= line handles that |
| 18:10.04 | Bushmills | pred2k3: well, ssh server & echo $PPID > file ; fg would write pid to file and resume ssh connection, but i'd say whatever you;d use the ppid for would be sort of hackish |
| 18:10.09 | dvs | omry: shouldn't it be "UUID=8397dc08-be26-491d-9a06-c3fc93303d82" ? |
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| 18:10.15 | omry | enouf, where? |
| 18:10.22 | enouf | omry: is that ubuntu? |
| 18:10.37 | omry | enouf, Debian lenny. |
| 18:10.45 | enouf | wtf is .18rv3 ? |
| 18:10.58 | omry | dvs, dunno. this works fine. |
| 18:10.59 | dvs | enouf: trouble. ;-) |
| 18:11.03 | enouf | bingo |
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| 18:11.09 | abrotman | that's not a debian kernel |
| 18:11.13 | Gorbulas | I have 330k in the "a" folder. should I delete it before it causes problems? |
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| 18:11.20 | Bushmills | pred2k3: no, forget that. that's the wrong pid |
| 18:11.20 | enouf | omry: i will tell you anyway how to make it right |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | Gorbulas: why is that a problem? |
| 18:11.34 | Gorbulas | that's a lot more than 32k |
| 18:12.17 | enouf | omry: read the comments in menu.lst where it says AUTOMAGIC LIST |
| 18:12.17 | dvs | Gorbulas: he means 32000 files, right? |
| 18:12.17 | Gorbulas | yes |
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| 18:12.17 | Gorbulas | I have 330330 files in the "a" folder |
| 18:12.20 | dvs | yikes! |
| 18:12.40 | dvs | That's a LOT of files! |
| 18:12.44 | omry | abchirk, enouf - yes, it's not a debian kernel. I copied the wrong line. but it's the same for all kernels. |
| 18:12.49 | Gorbulas | I'm working on a copy of Wikipedia on a computer that has very low RAM so I can't load it all or even a small part at once |
| 18:12.52 | enouf | omry: but i bet the issues are arising because either a) you have no initrd, or b) you messed it's pants |
| 18:13.16 | omry | enouf, I have ramfstools, I think. how do I check? |
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| 18:13.26 | omry | enouf, and sure I have initrd. |
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| 18:13.36 | Gorbulas | 448904 in the "t" folder |
| 18:14.07 | enouf | omry: sorry, i can't dissect custom made kernel issues concerning grub's menulst |
| 18:14.13 | omry | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/8397dc08-be26-491d-9a06-c3fc93303d82 ro single <NEWLINE> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 18:14.23 | Gorbulas | how is my fs going to crash? should I be worried about it just dieing. or if I managed to get all this on there will it be fine? |
| 18:14.24 | omry | this is the kernel I am booting into. |
| 18:14.26 | omry | not custom. |
| 18:14.29 | abrotman | Gorbulas: i still don't see why it's a problem |
| 18:14.46 | dvs | says that root like still looks weird. It's only a symlink. |
| 18:15.00 | Haris | 14:10:53.354029 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 128, id 40555, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 48) 192.168.0.244.4505 > www.xe.com.www: S, cksum 0xde53 (correct), 791258100:791258100(0) win 65535 <mss 1260,nop,nop,sackOK> <- What is the S in -> www.xe.com.www: S, cksum 0xde53 ? |
| 18:15.06 | enouf | dvs: it is wrong |
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| 18:15.28 | Gorbulas | I like the symlinks like that, but I've seen them change on me |
| 18:15.36 | enouf | dvs: and correct, it's just a silly symlink |
| 18:15.41 | frenchn00b | Is there a master in jail_kit ? |
| 18:15.54 | omry | my root is fine and it's exactly what I want. how do I prevent grub update scripts from changing the root? |
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| 18:16.09 | omry | this is all I want. every time I dist upgrade I risk having my system unbootable. |
| 18:16.31 | dvs | omry: you want a different root for each kernel? |
| 18:16.35 | enouf | you use root=UUID= |
| 18:16.39 | omry | dvs, no. |
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| 18:16.55 | enouf | omry: i told you - your # groot= line |
| 18:16.57 | xingu | Gorbulas: what does tune2fs say about "filesysytem features"? does it include "dir_index"? |
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| 18:17.10 | enouf | not to mention your #kopt= line |
| 18:17.10 | dvs | omry: Then I'm not sure how to specify a different root for each kernel. |
| 18:17.18 | frenchn00b | what means the jail error message : "May 4 19:57:12 localhost jk_chrootsh[17918]: abort, path /home/chrootusers is setgid |
| 18:17.19 | frenchn00b | May 4 19:57:12 localhost jk_chrootsh[17918]: abort, path /home/chrootusers is not a safe jail, check ownership and permissions" |
| 18:17.40 | dvs | enouf: the kopt line will change the root for ALL the kernels. |
| 18:17.44 | omry | enouf, edited the comment line # groot=(hd0,1) ? |
| 18:17.46 | catsup | Gorbulas: that limit is not really about safety, your fs will not crash--it will just be very slow |
| 18:17.48 | xingu | Gorbulas: tune2fs -l /dev/whatever |
| 18:17.51 | omry | s/edited/edit |
| 18:17.59 | enouf | dvs: not change .. keep the same |
| 18:18.09 | Haris | OK, this is the tcpdump -vv output for when the website www.xe.com/ucc was not opening for me -> http://pastebin.ca/1007221 <- From this tcpdump output can anyone point out the reason why traffic to www.xe.com is not working here? |
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| 18:18.41 | enouf | omry: the one hash stays |
| 18:19.13 | omry | enouf, right now it has grub device there. should I put the symlink instead? |
| 18:19.15 | Gorbulas | ha that's why I couldn't find it. I was looking for sda on the wrong computer |
| 18:19.26 | catsup | Gorbulas: you should definitely enable b-trees |
| 18:20.10 | Gorbulas | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file |
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| 18:20.24 | enouf | omry: if you want your kernel always the same, then #kopt=root=UUID=xxxx or similar |
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| 18:21.02 | Haris | looks like the syn and ack work, but after that, there is no traffic? |
| 18:21.02 | catsup | Gorbulas: oh, you've got them enabled! then you have no worries :) |
| 18:21.22 | Gorbulas | ok good :) |
| 18:21.23 | Haris | does that make sense? |
| 18:21.25 | omry | enouf, thanks. now I see why this happened. I had # kopt=root=/dev/hde2 ro |
| 18:21.34 | VI_Lenin | Hello! Can you please help me to edit iso image: mount -t iso9660 -o loop,rw /image.iso /mnt/iso/ gives read-only fs. how to get RW? |
| 18:21.38 | enouf | omry: how do you actually install your new kernels? |
| 18:21.43 | catsup | Gorbulas: i mean other than hyperinflation |
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| 18:22.06 | omry | enouf, apt-get dist-upgrade just upgrades em. |
| 18:22.08 | enouf | omry: and are they in .deb linux-image-version form ? |
| 18:22.10 | Haris | squid3-PRE5-5 has no record of me asking for www.xe.com/ucc |
| 18:22.11 | epsilon | OT-question, does a DDR1-400 SO-DIMM work in a laptop working with DDR1-266? |
| 18:22.32 | enouf | omry: well, the kernel you showed me wasn't a debian one, but ok |
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| 18:22.53 | cesar` | somebody have problems similar to this " ldconfig: invalid ELF header - " for archives ".so" |
| 18:22.53 | Haris | so what does that mean, its a problem with ip_conntrack? |
| 18:22.55 | catsup | VI_Lenin: you cannot mount ISO read-write |
| 18:22.55 | omry | enouf, I am on stock kernel now. so yes. I initially copied the wrong like from the menu.lst for a none debian kernel. |
| 18:22.56 | cesar` | ? |
| 18:23.03 | enouf | omry: ok |
| 18:23.22 | catsup | VI_Lenin: also, you cannot dictate a communal society |
| 18:23.31 | catsup | simply not possible. |
| 18:23.38 | cesar` | if somebody have a similar problem could fix it? |
| 18:23.39 | omry | enouf, how do I manually run the grub update scripts to be sure it works? |
| 18:24.03 | dvs | update-grub |
| 18:24.33 | enouf | omry: as dvs said |
| 18:24.36 | Gorbulas | VI_Lenin: there are some tools like growisofs that might help iirc |
| 18:24.49 | omry | enouf, dvs - looks like it's good now. thanks. |
| 18:24.55 | enouf | omry: there's a man page too ;-) |
| 18:25.05 | dvs | I meant "update, you grub". ;-)\ |
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| 18:25.24 | darx | when reconfiguring xorg, what does use kernel framebuffer interface mean? |
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| 18:25.30 | omry | enouf, you mean something like "man how do I manually update grub" ? |
| 18:26.13 | cesar` | i was seeing the list of Debian in english and spanish and i didn't find something similar... the same results in google |
| 18:26.15 | cesar` | :-( |
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| 18:26.26 | valdyn | VI_Lenin: an ISO fs is not writable |
| 18:26.37 | enouf | omry: "man -k grub" is a start ;-) |
| 18:26.38 | Haris | ? |
| 18:26.47 | enouf | omry: or 'apropos grub' |
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| 18:27.10 | dvs | pinfo grub! |
| 18:27.19 | omry | enouf, or google. or back tracing dist upgrade and see what it did. or just ask here :) |
| 18:28.19 | enouf | darx: say no |
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| 18:29.47 | enouf | darx: it means; use one of any of the various ones listed here that are also selectable in while drxx'ing http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/fb/ |
| 18:30.09 | enouf | darx: which for xorg, is slow as molasses :-P |
| 18:30.23 | enouf | but in console, well ... |
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| 18:31.13 | enouf | darx: with a debian kernel, you'll likely only get the vesafb choice, if that, in drxx |
| 18:31.27 | enouf | or just "vesa" |
| 18:32.12 | yitz_ | How come, after spending 2 hours trying to get YouTube/flash to work in Firefox, then giving up and going to lunch, I come back to find that it magically fixed itself while I was eating? |
| 18:32.46 | catsup | yitz_: enouf rooted your box and fixed it while you were gone |
| 18:33.09 | catsup | yitz_: (it was on a dare) |
| 18:33.17 | yitz_ | Beyond that explanation, nothing else makes sense.... |
| 18:33.23 | enouf | epsilon: perhaps - erm, 266 == what .. erm 2700? .. no, less |
| 18:33.39 | yitz_ | I restarted FF myself enough times. Nothing shoulda changed... I hate computers.... |
| 18:33.53 | enouf | yitz_: tomatoes have awesome powers ;-) |
| 18:33.54 | catsup | enouf: you're lucky he doesn't believe me... |
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| 18:34.54 | yitz_ | catsup: I'm tempted to believe you. Except my router blocks every port but SSH and that only accepts authorized hosts (no passwords), so its hard to see how he got it |
| 18:35.07 | simonrvn | /nick Count_Chocula |
| 18:35.19 | yitz_ | Gotta run |
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| 18:35.34 | catsup | yitz_away: he used a vulnerability in your irc client |
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| 18:35.38 | catsup | yitz_away: duh |
| 18:35.39 | enouf | epsilon: IIRC, DDR-200 through 400 were interchangeable, the 400 though will run as slow as your slowest other DIMM |
| 18:36.00 | VI_Lenin | OK, thank you! |
| 18:36.15 | yitz_away | will check for rootkits and security updates when i return |
| 18:36.41 | epsilon | ok thx |
| 18:36.43 | dmnd | how do i know if apt-get installs amd64 optimized packages? |
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| 18:37.36 | enouf | epsilon: i know that if there is/was a mid breakpoint, it was ~2700 .. so 3200<->2100 was the full range |
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| 18:38.08 | enouf | epsilon: if wols was here, he'd correct me in a heartbeat ;-) |
| 18:38.33 | enouf | dmnd: amd64 is an 'arch' |
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| 18:39.29 | enouf | epsilon: PC3200==DDR-400, and PC2100==DDR-200 |
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| 18:39.41 | enouf | er .. |
| 18:39.49 | catsup | 386, otoh, is merely a bend... |
| 18:40.07 | enouf | yeah, looks right |
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| 18:41.08 | simonrvn | amd64 is really a sub-arch, since it's considered a subset of i386 |
| 18:41.30 | enouf | simonrvn: now it is again, finally :-P |
| 18:41.44 | enouf | a subset of x86 you mean |
| 18:41.51 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:41.57 | simonrvn | ix86 ;p |
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| 18:42.16 | simonrvn | hrm, yeh x86, since it's not an inhel cpu |
| 18:42.30 | mmlj4 | s/sub/super/ you mean |
| 18:42.37 | xingu | Gorbulas: per ...src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ext2.txt: The (meaningless) absolute upper limit of files in a single directory (imposed by the file size, the realistic limit is obviously much less) is over 130 trillion files. It would be higher except there are not enough 4-character names to make up unique directory entries, so they have to be 8 character filenames, even then we are fairly close to running out of unique filenames. |
| 18:42.44 | catsup | plenty of amd64 cpus in hell |
| 18:42.53 | simonrvn | mmlj4: super? |
| 18:43.01 | mmlj4 | da |
| 18:43.08 | davidc007 | in mdadm i'm reformatting and creating new arrays, but old mdadm data persists even after overwriting the disks, why? |
| 18:43.18 | simonrvn | please say why you think super |
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| 18:43.28 | catsup | the instruction set is a superset of x86's, while the set of amd64 cpus is a subset of the set of x86 cpus |
| 18:43.32 | abrotman | amd64 is a superset of i386 |
| 18:43.33 | enouf | xingu: WHOA </neo> ;-) |
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| 18:43.43 | simonrvn | catsup: yes |
| 18:43.49 | thedonvaughn | x86 would be the super arch/class. amd64 is sub-arch like simonrvn said. |
| 18:43.50 | abrotman | enouf: i think you meant </JoeyFromBlossom> |
| 18:43.59 | enouf | abrotman: wtf? |
| 18:43.59 | ceil420 | does anyone know how i can make it so that i can hit ctrl+shift+U and enter 4 hexadecimal digits to get a unicode symbol? |
| 18:44.00 | xingu | Gorbulas: there's various scalability concerns; memory for the directory entry cache, memory for the directory index hash, and performance in scanning the directory index when creating a new file (a test for filename uniqueness is inferred by this) |
| 18:44.03 | wd | how do i load kernel module pcmcia into 2.4 kernel.... my pcmcia services disappeared on reboot? |
| 18:44.20 | simonrvn | it's exactly what catsup said |
| 18:44.20 | catsup | oh god, don't use 2.4... |
| 18:44.20 | wd | ooops hello all. :) |
| 18:44.21 | enouf | abrotman: no, i meant </Matrix 1> |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | enouf: WHOA</JoeyFromBlossom> :) |
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| 18:44.33 | ceil420 | lol @ Blossom |
| 18:44.38 | catsup | wd: but modprobe pcmcia |
| 18:44.39 | xingu | abrotman: WHOA</buffy> |
| 18:44.39 | wd | catsup: have to .. very old laptop. very |
| 18:44.45 | enouf | abrotman: are you feeling Floral? |
| 18:44.54 | wd | catsup: ok |
| 18:44.54 | catsup | wd: 2.6 should work on anything 2.4 does... ? |
| 18:45.01 | abrotman | enouf: the show? |
| 18:45.07 | catsup | wd: but seriously--use 2.2 if you can't use 2.6 |
| 18:45.11 | Gorbulas | 2.6 will not run on my router |
| 18:45.12 | enouf | no, horticulturally |
| 18:45.15 | wd | catsup: i booted with floppys |
| 18:45.28 | Gorbulas | but it needs proprietary drivers |
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| 18:45.44 | wd | catsup: http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 18:45.51 | wd | catsup: i did this |
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| 18:45.57 | Zacaa | I've just installed the latest nvidia drivers on debian and if I start up my linux with GLX enabled, I can't get into X. I just get a black screen at startup, could anyone help? |
| 18:45.59 | catsup | i think i have one of those! |
| 18:45.59 | simonrvn | Gorbulas: and they haven't been ported to 2.6, i'm guessing |
| 18:46.09 | catsup | let me check the model... |
| 18:46.13 | enouf | abrotman: b/c if you do, i can accomodate with some of my personal 'aroma therapy' ;-) |
| 18:46.16 | wd | catsup: u saw this link that quick? lol |
| 18:46.24 | simonrvn | !fart |
| 18:46.24 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 18:46.29 | enouf | haha |
| 18:46.43 | xingu | !belch |
| 18:46.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, belch is a fart in reverse |
| 18:46.43 | catsup | wd: no, i have the 410cdt |
| 18:47.11 | Codex_ | which packages control the laptop fan? (I have a problem that fan stops and then boots after a while because of overheating) |
| 18:47.19 | catsup | although those specs look like they describe mine just as well |
| 18:47.20 | dvs | acpi I think |
| 18:47.31 | catsup | it might be a p90 instead of p100 |
| 18:47.32 | enouf | acpi-support |
| 18:47.50 | enouf | laptop-mode? |
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| 18:47.53 | enouf | who knows |
| 18:48.24 | catsup | wd: that guy said he's using 2.6. i think i am too... although i haven't booted the machine in a year |
| 18:48.35 | wd | catsup: it worked fine but i was doing the update apt-get and i think my reposit said unstable instead of sarge so i ummmm "gulp" pulled the plug and reboot didn't find pcmcia card services.. don't scream. lol |
| 18:48.41 | pablo | hi, i heard that the new netinstall comes by default with a package to sync the clock, does someone knows which package it uses? |
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| 18:49.03 | catsup | wd: ok, next time just hit control-c |
| 18:49.11 | xingu | Codex_: cpufreqd indirectly, via acpi processor p- or c-states |
| 18:49.14 | enouf | pablo: what? tzdata? |
| 18:49.17 | wd | catsup: modprobe 'can't locate pcmcia" crap |
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| 18:49.23 | wd | catsup: didn't work. |
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| 18:49.33 | catsup | wd: control-c didn't work?? |
| 18:49.41 | pablo | enouf: tzdata uses ntp? |
| 18:49.42 | DDave | anyone knows a graphical design representation made out of movable boxes? I only know nassischneidermann diagrams :/ |
| 18:49.44 | enouf | Codex_: acpi -V |
| 18:49.55 | wd | catsup: it kept tying to find headers or something and just kept searching. |
| 18:49.59 | enouf | pablo: no, but you can install ntp and use it |
| 18:49.59 | catsup | wd: oh, modprobe didn't. were you actually in the process of installing the packages when you powered off? |
| 18:50.00 | wd | catsup: nope |
| 18:50.12 | enouf | pablo: well, it might once installed |
| 18:50.15 | waldschatten | what does this mean: wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 ? |
| 18:50.20 | wd | catsup: don't scream but yea.. |
| 18:50.31 | waldschatten | get it when I run dhclient on wlan0 |
| 18:50.32 | catsup | wd: inconceivable... |
| 18:50.53 | wd | catsup: last install i didn't see so many things being installed so it freaked me out. |
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| 18:50.59 | wd | catsup: i know. |
| 18:51.01 | wd | sorry |
| 18:51.12 | catsup | wd: ctrl-z probably would have done it |
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| 18:51.20 | enouf | waldschatten: why are you running dhclient ? |
| 18:51.26 | pablo | enouf: tzdata to use ntp? |
| 18:51.28 | waldschatten | then it tries dhcpdiscover five times at different intervals and says no dhcpoffers recieved |
| 18:51.29 | catsup | then kill -9. the problem could only have been that some installation process was trapping the ctrl-c |
| 18:51.35 | enouf | !set the time |
| 18:51.36 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:51.48 | wd | catsup: rats. i'll write that down in my note booklet. this switch from gentoo is costing me. lol |
| 18:51.49 | enouf | pablo: ^^^^^^ |
| 18:51.52 | waldschatten | umm, what else would I use to connect my ipw3945 card to the network |
| 18:51.56 | catsup | that really needs to be changed |
| 18:52.09 | catsup | the truly enlightened user will realize that time is an illusion and that all is one |
| 18:52.30 | enouf | catsup: i see ou took the red pill today ;-) |
| 18:52.36 | enouf | s/ou/you |
| 18:52.41 | catsup | enouf: the doctors make me |
| 18:52.43 | wd | enouf: hehe. |
| 18:52.43 | catsup | every day |
| 18:53.01 | wd | catsup: ok. morpheous.. |
| 18:53.04 | wd | hehe |
| 18:53.09 | enouf | heh |
| 18:53.40 | Zacaa |  I've just installed the latest nvidia drivers on debian and if I start up my linux with GLX enabled, I can't get into X. I just get a black screen at startup, could anyone help? |
| 18:53.42 | wd | catsup: ur ok. thanks. so now pcmcia isn't recogn. by modprobe |
| 18:53.46 | Zacaa | Please :) |
| 18:54.12 | enouf | Zacaa: i would help if i could, i never used the 3D proprietary drivers |
| 18:54.12 | pablo | enouf: ok the new lenny netinstal comes with adjtimex? |
| 18:54.14 | wd | catsup: did i screw up kernel? |
| 18:54.22 | waldschatten | i have iwlwifi and the firmware as well as the intel microcode installed, iwconfig gives me my device and letrs me set the essid rate etc just fine, but doesn't get any replies from dhcp |
| 18:54.34 | enouf | pablo: no idea - read the README and Chnagelogs, etc |
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| 18:54.59 | catsup | wd: try a depmod -a |
| 18:55.04 | wd | catsup: last time i had a diff reposit in sources.list and the one mirror i chosed just kept going on and on. |
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| 18:55.29 | Bushmills | dpkg, set the time is To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp or adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:55.30 | dpkg | Bushmills: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 18:55.30 | dpkg | Bushmills: You are moron #4 |
| 18:55.33 | Zacaa | thanks enouf :) |
| 18:55.34 | catsup | wd: anyway your system is probably totally hosed, i mean if you want to downgrade it; to upgrade it should be possible |
| 18:55.50 | enouf | waldschatten: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 18:55.59 | Bushmills | someone ought to change that "ntp *and* adjtimex |
| 18:56.09 | pablo | enouf: ok thx |
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| 18:56.29 | waldschatten | what's that enouf? |
| 18:56.30 | wd | catsup: oh i was wondering if woody would be liter based on the laptop resources |
| 18:56.44 | enouf | omg, 'locked' ? |
| 18:56.53 | wd | catsup: depmod finished. |
| 18:57.04 | catsup | wd: no, probably not, exempting a few applications that wouldn't run there anyway |
| 18:57.12 | enouf | i guess mills got a little too exhuberant ;-) |
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| 18:57.15 | Bushmills | stupid dpkg calls me moron for spilling stupid factoids :( |
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| 18:57.27 | enouf | dpkg: you dumbass |
| 18:57.27 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 18:57.45 | catsup | who are 1, 2, and 3? |
| 18:58.03 | catsup | !morons |
| 18:58.03 | dpkg | cluebats some morons over the head |
| 18:58.07 | enouf | !tell waldschatten -about interfaces |
| 18:58.10 | dvs | ow! |
| 18:58.24 | enouf | !8ball are you naked? |
| 18:58.24 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 18:58.25 | Bushmills | dpkg, smite dpkg |
| 18:58.25 | dpkg | smites dpkg with a plague of punctuation characters |
| 18:58.36 | muddd | heh, smite |
| 18:59.13 | Codex_ | acpi -V says: Thermal 1: passive active[0], 86.0 degrees C. :) |
| 18:59.14 | enouf | apt: pound dpkg with a sack of badges |
| 18:59.15 | apt | ACTION flattens dpkg with a sack of badges with a meat tenderizer |
| 18:59.18 | wd | catsup: ok so now modprobe pcmcia_cs? |
| 18:59.22 | catsup | oh my |
| 18:59.27 | waldschatten | okay, thanks, checking that |
| 18:59.28 | enouf | (i meant badgers!) |
| 18:59.42 | catsup | wd: oh, is it _cs ? well, then yeah |
| 19:00.07 | dutchfish | !slap apt |
| 19:00.07 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across apt's face |
| 19:00.09 | enouf | Codex_: is that a laptop? "/msg dpkg laptop" |
| 19:00.16 | wd | catsup: well i don't know i googled pc cardservices and pcmcia_cs popped up.. |
| 19:00.36 | enouf | Codex_: 86 C ? wtf? |
| 19:00.44 | xingu | wonders wtf adjtimex's postinstall just did to his clock |
| 19:00.53 | enouf | xingu: haha |
| 19:00.56 | catsup | wd: well it's pcmcia.ko in 2.6, but i forget about 2.4 |
| 19:01.08 | wd | catsup: whatever pc services the kernel used during install. |
| 19:01.11 | wd | catsup: oh |
| 19:01.26 | wd | catsup: i'll try it pcmcia_cs |
| 19:01.35 | enouf | wd yenta_socket, pcmcia_cs |
| 19:01.42 | enouf | and pcimcia |
| 19:01.46 | enouf | gah |
| 19:01.52 | enouf | and pcmcia |
| 19:02.04 | wd | enouf: can't locate module |
| 19:02.11 | enouf | modprobe -l |
| 19:02.20 | wd | enouf: oh do modprobe yenta_socket and pcmcia? |
| 19:02.22 | wd | oh |
| 19:02.30 | enouf | modprobe -l | egrep 'pcmcia|yenta' |
| 19:03.04 | catsup | how about try uname -a |
| 19:03.15 | pablo | where can i see the packages that come with the netinstall? |
| 19:03.22 | catsup | maybe you will be surprised |
| 19:03.35 | dvs | pablo: it's just the base packages |
| 19:03.47 | enouf | wd: old stuff? http://www.wlug.org.nz/HotPlugNotes |
| 19:04.02 | enouf | 2.4 |
| 19:04.06 | streuner | pablo: why? |
| 19:04.27 | pablo | streuner: only to know |
| 19:04.29 | streuner | pablo: netinstall ist just what you need to install a *base* system |
| 19:04.43 | enouf | pablo: you can install a 'base' system with netinstall and no inet |
| 19:04.48 | streuner | pablo: basically you need a working kernel and a few other packages - not more |
| 19:04.56 | pablo | streuner: yep, |
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| 19:05.07 | catsup | is netinst only packages with priority essential? |
| 19:05.11 | pablo | streuner: where can i see wich are those few packages? |
| 19:05.28 | enouf | catsup: i think 3 priorities, one sec |
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| 19:05.34 | streuner | prolly #debian-boot might know :-) |
| 19:05.48 | catsup | pablo: if you have an image already, you can just look at it |
| 19:05.51 | wd | catsup: uname -a = Linux debian-toshiba 2.4.27-3-586tsc (date) |
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| 19:06.11 | enouf | ~$ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs echo |
| 19:06.12 | enouf | ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 19:06.22 | enouf | catsup: i could be way off though with that |
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| 19:06.49 | pablo | catsup: i have one, where should i look? |
| 19:07.10 | enouf | streuner: need to mention the accompanying network ;-) |
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| 19:07.20 | catsup | pablo: easiest thing is to mount it loop and find -name '*.deb' |
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| 19:07.31 | enouf | s/accompanying/accomodating |
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| 19:08.15 | jcranmer | trying to get my wireless working has been enough of a trial, I think I'll postpone that until I hit a better time |
| 19:08.19 | streuner | hm, no package list at cdimage.d.o |
| 19:08.26 | Fujisan | enouf said |
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| 19:08.35 | dvs | heh |
| 19:09.01 | streuner | enouf: not really, he should do what catsup told him... |
| 19:09.10 | Fujisan | enouf |
| 19:09.22 | Fujisan | what are you doing outside of your #linux cage |
| 19:09.23 | Fujisan | :P |
| 19:09.24 | jcranmer | so let me try another problem: |
| 19:09.26 | pablo | catsup: thx |
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| 19:09.31 | Fujisan | who let enouf out |
| 19:09.34 | Fujisan | D: |
| 19:09.38 | streuner | Don't feed |
| 19:09.41 | Fujisan | hehe |
| 19:09.41 | enouf | !fix Fujisan |
| 19:09.41 | dpkg | takes Fujisan to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 19:09.56 | wd | enouf: modprobe -l | egrep pcmcia = ok i don't see my orinico driver (which it had during install). i see pcmcia_core.o and yenta_socket.o so modprobe those? |
| 19:10.19 | enouf | wd: i wasn't paying close attention to your issue |
| 19:10.24 | jehoo | hey all ... im booting knoppix and it has said loading AGP modules for literally the last 15 min |
| 19:10.29 | wd | enouf: sorry. |
| 19:10.31 | jehoo | do i have to change settings in the bios or something ? |
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| 19:10.42 | wd | catsup: modprobe -l | egrep pcmcia = ok i don't see my orinico driver (which it had during install). i see pcmcia_core.o and yenta_socket.o so modprobe those? |
| 19:10.44 | jcranmer | this problem is a minor one that drives me crazy: irssi over ssh doesn't seem to work right from my debian box but it works over Windows' PuTTy and a gentoo box |
| 19:10.48 | enouf | wd: but i recall 3 modules needed for pcmcia support in older Sarge kernels. 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
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| 19:11.14 | jcranmer | trying to hit `Alt-*' to change windows in irssi doesn't work in Debian; I suspect a keyboard misconfiguration |
| 19:11.17 | jcranmer | ² |
| 19:11.24 | wd | enouf: for card services? which ones? |
| 19:11.38 | enouf | wd: i mentioned them earlier |
| 19:11.42 | n8ature | davidc007: try zeroing your superblocks of any drives on the old array |
| 19:11.48 | catsup | jcranmer: alt-* doesn't do anything in my irssi either. try alt-a |
| 19:12.01 | wd | enouf: sorry i thought i saw two..i'll scroll up. |
| 19:12.03 | enouf | yenta_socket, pcmcia_cs, and pcmcia |
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| 19:12.09 | enouf | IIRC |
| 19:12.10 | wd | enouf: ok |
| 19:12.11 | catsup | (it might just be the default keybindings are different) |
| 19:12.42 | catsup | wd: really, you can try to track this down, but your system must be in a very inconsistent state... |
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| 19:12.53 | jcranmer | well, this is over ssh, and it works from several different non-Debian machines and breaks on two different Debian machines, so the default Debian configuration is definitely the problem here |
| 19:12.55 | wd | catsup: ok |
| 19:13.06 | catsup | wd: i hate to say it but-- |
| 19:13.11 | wd | catsup: i'll try modprobe if fails reinstall |
| 19:13.12 | catsup | wd: (can it really be?) |
| 19:13.18 | catsup | wd: you should probably reinstall... |
| 19:13.23 | wd | catsup: lol |
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| 19:13.27 | wd | catsup: i hate u |
| 19:13.27 | wd | lol |
| 19:13.32 | wd | catsup: ur right |
| 19:13.34 | wd | catsup: ok |
| 19:13.35 | wd | lol |
| 19:13.48 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.49 | frank_white | whats the best package to monitor incoming network traffic? |
| 19:13.56 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.25 | dvs | my! oh my! |
| 19:14.28 | catsup | i duno about best, but you might like trafshow (in netdiag) |
| 19:14.30 | Bushmills | frank_white, depends on what you want to see. |
| 19:14.37 | ceil420 | does anyone know how i can make it so that i can hit ctrl+shift+U and enter 4 hexadecimal digits to get a unicode symbol? someone suggested using US-international keyboard layout, so guiding me in that direction may work... |
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| 19:14.43 | Bushmills | frank_white, wireshark is an option |
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| 19:15.08 | n8ature | http://howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p3 |
| 19:15.11 | catsup | ceil420: that strikes me as a very inconvenient method of input... anywya i don't know. |
| 19:15.12 | Bushmills | or the console counterpart tshark |
| 19:15.15 | frank_white | trying to figure out why ssh connections are getting refused, whether its on the gateway with the portforwarding or the actual server |
| 19:15.19 | jcranmer | ceil420: I think its workingness depends on the application in use |
| 19:15.29 | jcranmer | e.g., it works in firefox but not in xterm, for me |
| 19:15.38 | jcranmer | I want to say it's a gnome thing |
| 19:15.57 | ceil420 | jcranmer, it worked in Firefox, XChat, GIMP, and xfce4-terminal in Xubuntu |
| 19:16.04 | Sebboh | Hmm, can someone give me recommendations regarding bug #479018 ? "linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686: update-grub doesn't recognize vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-xen-686 or vmlinuz-2.6.25-1-xen-686" |
| 19:16.06 | ceil420 | but it was enabled by default, so i don't know how it gets enabled :x |
| 19:16.12 | frank_white | or if it is the ISP that is blocking the port, any suggestions? |
| 19:16.20 | wd | catsup: ok. i'm looking in the directory enouf gave me and i see the modules but modprobe spit out can't locate each one.. darn. reinstall is on the way. crap. |
| 19:16.23 | enouf | ceil420: if so, it would involve us international combined with deadkeys, IINM |
| 19:16.23 | xingu | thumps enouf |
| 19:16.23 | Sebboh | Are those two xen builds like, broken? |
| 19:16.33 | wd | catsup: how can this be.. i see the modules. |
| 19:16.34 | catsup | wd: might as well try the upgrade first |
| 19:16.41 | ceil420 | enouf, IINM? deadkeys? |
| 19:16.45 | enouf | wd: 2.4 used insmod |
| 19:16.46 | ceil420 | googles |
| 19:16.52 | enouf | !iinm |
| 19:16.53 | dpkg | from memory, iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 19:16.53 | catsup | oh! |
| 19:16.54 | Bushmills | frank_white, for that you might want to look in server /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:17.02 | ceil420 | oh :p |
| 19:17.04 | wd | catsup: huh. serious. etch on this |
| 19:17.06 | wd | enouf: oh |
| 19:17.08 | frank_white | its not even getting that far so it seems |
| 19:17.13 | Zacaa |  I've just installed the latest nvidia drivers on debian and if I start up my linux with GLX enabled, I can't get into X. I just get a black screen at startup, could anyone help? |
| 19:17.16 | Zacaa | anyone? :) |
| 19:17.21 | catsup | wd: etch, *certainly* |
| 19:17.25 | frank_white | the connection is almost immediately refused, which leads me to believe its the ISP blocking the port |
| 19:17.28 | enouf | wd: wait, why do i think 2.4 with you? |
| 19:17.38 | catsup | he's using 2.4 |
| 19:17.42 | wd | yep |
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| 19:17.50 | catsup | he aborted in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
| 19:17.58 | Bushmills | frank_white, then check out wireshark. tshark, tcpdump. first uses X, 2nd and third console. |
| 19:18.00 | enouf | Etch cannot use 2.4 |
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| 19:18.05 | catsup | he's not using etch |
| 19:18.06 | xingu | enouf: I gather what's happened is that adjtimex has now added slew to my system clock to keep it in phase with my rtc; and from this, ntp's carefully calculated (system-timer) frequency/ ppm is hideously out |
| 19:18.08 | laurin | hi |
| 19:18.09 | frank_white | thanks |
| 19:18.09 | enouf | GAH! |
| 19:18.37 | enouf | xingu: oh teH n03z ;-) |
| 19:18.38 | xingu | enouf: if it doesn't all sort itself out overnight I'm going to be one grumpy chappy. |
| 19:18.53 | Bushmills | ssh -v might also tell you |
| 19:18.57 | catsup | fuck the slew, kill ntp and run ntpdate |
| 19:19.00 | Bushmills | or ssh -v -v -v ... |
| 19:19.02 | ceil420 | enouf, "dead key" sounds like my compose key; i hit R-Winkey and two keys (like ` and e) and get a character (like è). i'm talking about inputting unicode with a different type of compose key (it probably doesn't have to be ctrl+shift+u) and inputting unicode digits (like 262e) and getting a unicode character (like a peace symbol) |
| 19:19.09 | enouf | xingu: some nice pizza, a hot chick, and a good movie will make it all better ;-) |
| 19:19.13 | ceil420 | looks into changing keyboard layout in Debian |
| 19:19.29 | laurin | i have an encrypted filesystem (dm-crypt+luks). i use the first 2048 bytes of an usb stick as the key but it won't work |
| 19:19.34 | enouf | ceil420: sorry - now my brain is spinning, literally ;-) |
| 19:19.38 | xingu | enouf: got the last two; but tonight matthew we're having port+pasta leftovers |
| 19:19.40 | frank_white | yeah i tried that, just says its refused |
| 19:19.40 | wd | catsup: oh i know why i steered from etch because somehow on my third install my sources got screwed and updated system to use xorg (which i use in gentoo) and was intimidate on this box. |
| 19:19.45 | ceil420 | enouf, my bad <_< |
| 19:20.06 | enouf | xingu: cool |
| 19:20.12 | catsup | i think i've got xorg on my 410, as a matter of fact |
| 19:20.21 | catsup | anyway i'm going to boot the fucker up and see what's on it |
| 19:20.29 | wd | catsup: no way. |
| 19:20.31 | laurin | the onley error message i get is that it can't read the key file |
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| 19:20.52 | wd | catsup: ok but i'm doing floppy install... cdrom not being recogn for some reason.. |
| 19:21.00 | pablo | hi, which is the difference between rdate and rdate-udeb? |
| 19:21.12 | wd | catsup: so just go get etch img's and start over? |
| 19:21.36 | laurin | the kernel reads the first 2 kb (cryptkey=/dev/sdz:0:2028) i don't know what i should do now |
| 19:22.07 | catsup | oh fuck, it says Bad RTC Battery, Bad check sum (CMOS) |
| 19:22.44 | catsup | still seems to be booting though |
| 19:23.23 | laurin | can someone help me please? |
| 19:23.25 | simonrvn | the rtc stuff is really funky last few kernel revs :/ |
| 19:23.41 | catsup | hm, it is running 2.4 and Xorg |
| 19:24.07 | Tramp | laurin: what syntax is that (cryptkey=...)? 2048 byte would probably be 0:2047 - but I have never seen this syntax. |
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| 19:24.36 | vjoe | hey |
| 19:25.10 | laurin | Tramp, it's just to show the kernel where to look for the key |
| 19:25.24 | laurin | i try the 2047 |
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| 19:25.39 | sortudo_78 | Hello, please, could anybody help me eith my wireless card driver installation (Atheros AR5007EG)? |
| 19:25.40 | catsup | it should be 0:2048... |
| 19:25.43 | Tramp | laurin: ah. as kernel boot-param? |
| 19:25.48 | laurin | yes |
| 19:25.59 | catsup | i mean: that is the syntax it should use. i don't know if it is. |
| 19:26.00 | streuner | sortudo_78: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 19:26.17 | catsup | (offset:length) |
| 19:26.19 | Tramp | laurin: well. try 2048 as catsup said. he seems to know about it 8) |
| 19:26.25 | catsup | oh no, i don't know about it |
| 19:26.32 | catsup | i'm dictating opinion |
| 19:26.40 | sortudo_78 | struner: do nut understud, sory... |
| 19:26.58 | catsup | someone has to, since VI_Lenin is gone |
| 19:26.59 | streuner | sortudo_78: what's your native language? |
| 19:27.08 | sortudo_78 | portuguese |
| 19:27.13 | streuner | !br |
| 19:27.13 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:27.16 | sortudo_78 | yes |
| 19:27.29 | wd | catsup: oh i remember why i also didn't go 2.6.. i tried to do this but 2.6 wouldn't find pcmcia card.. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Gentoo_From_Floppy_Without_A_CD-ROM_Drive |
| 19:27.31 | laurin | Tramp, with 2048 it alwasy says 'Keyfile could not be opened, Reverting to passphrase' |
| 19:27.44 | sortudo_78 | thank you |
| 19:27.55 | laurin | 2047 don't works too |
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| 19:28.08 | catsup | laurin: try 2048 ? |
| 19:28.30 | laurin | catsup, i tried, same error as mentioned before |
| 19:28.33 | catsup | oh, you did |
| 19:28.35 | wd | catsup: so ur usingg 2.4 with xorg? |
| 19:28.41 | catsup | wd: yep |
| 19:29.03 | wd | catsup: ok. lol. can u imaging compiling everything on this box.. |
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| 19:29.12 | catsup | wd: i compiled the kernel on here, apparently |
| 19:29.17 | wd | catsup: deb is the way to go. |
| 19:29.32 | catsup | in fact i think i remember compiling it, leaving it overnight |
| 19:29.46 | catsup | i had a woman to sleep with at the time... |
| 19:29.53 | wd | catsup: hard to do, i wanna take out usb and others i dont have, the guy in the article suggested that. |
| 19:29.59 | ceil420 | hmm.. The Google seems to agree that the unicode input i seek is common in gtk. Does that mean i'll have to use Xfce behind e16? |
| 19:30.06 | wd | catsup: haha |
| 19:30.13 | wd | enouf: ty pcm up |
| 19:30.19 | wd | catsup: pcm up on reboot |
| 19:30.22 | wd | yay |
| 19:30.24 | catsup | http://xkcd.com/386 |
| 19:30.30 | SeveredCross | ceil420: Why not just install GTK-based apps? |
| 19:30.39 | SeveredCross | You don't need a full-out install of a GTK-based WM/DE. |
| 19:30.46 | enouf | !win wd |
| 19:30.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, wd! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:30.47 | SeveredCross | I use E17 with GTK apps on my Gentoo box. |
| 19:30.52 | ceil420 | SeveredCross, i thought XChat was one, but the unicode won't work in here now |
| 19:31.06 | ceil420 | (or in Iceweasel, or in xfce4-terminal) |
| 19:31.08 | SeveredCross | Bizarre, works fine for me. |
| 19:31.24 | SeveredCross | Might be a change between E16 and E17. |
| 19:31.33 | ceil420 | unicode input doesn't work; i can see the characters fine |
| 19:31.44 | wd | enouf: i transfer all power of attorney to u.. lol |
| 19:31.52 | SeveredCross | Did you have it working before in E16? |
| 19:32.03 | SeveredCross | Or only in a GTK-based WM/DE. |
| 19:32.05 | catsup | wd: that's legally binding |
| 19:32.19 | ceil420 | i did, but i'm not sure exactly how. that was when i was using Xubuntu, so e16 may have just been the WM on top of Xfce's DE |
| 19:32.24 | wd | catsup: ok so u think update is in order, i'm tired of searching and apt-spy all depos.. to keep sarge. damnit. |
| 19:32.30 | Tramp | laurin: did this work at one point? Are you following some tutorial to set this up? It looks weird to me. |
| 19:32.40 | catsup | wd: ya, definitely |
| 19:32.49 | catsup | wd: it shouldn't perform worse, but better |
| 19:32.52 | wd | catsup: won't that get me a new kernel |
| 19:32.58 | catsup | ya |
| 19:33.02 | wd | catsup: i'm scared. lol |
| 19:33.13 | enouf | !comfort wd |
| 19:33.13 | dpkg | There, there, wd. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:33.15 | catsup | you can work out the kinks in 2.6 and send me the info so i can update mine more easily |
| 19:33.18 | wd | catsup: i had a 2.6 kernel issue why trying that gentoo install. |
| 19:33.36 | wd | catsup: i'm the g. pig huh? |
| 19:33.38 | wd | lol |
| 19:33.49 | laurin | Tramp, i used this http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LUKS#Storing_the_key_between_MBR_and_1st_partition |
| 19:33.58 | wd | catsup: if u help me we both win. |
| 19:34.00 | catsup | man, this thing has a loud hard drive |
| 19:34.22 | enouf | laurin: that means ... somwhere in sectors 2-62 |
| 19:34.28 | Tramp | laurin: on a debian system? |
| 19:34.29 | catsup | i wonder if you can make oldconfig a 2.6 with a 2.4 .config... |
| 19:34.35 | catsup | (why not?) |
| 19:34.36 | laurin | Tramp, no ArchLinux |
| 19:34.55 | enouf | catsup: nah |
| 19:34.59 | wd | catsup: oh my hd is only 547, etch won't be bulky right.. i don't need gnome and all that just dillo, term and some apps. |
| 19:35.02 | ceil420 | goes shopping |
| 19:35.04 | enouf | catsup: no bueno |
| 19:35.07 | ceil420 | i'll see if i can do it in Xfce later :x |
| 19:35.17 | laurin | enouf, i let dd read the first 2 kb of the usb stick and used them as a key |
| 19:35.29 | catsup | wd: no man, etch is not more bulky than sarge, this ain't windows |
| 19:35.34 | Tramp | laurin: well, then you may better check a channel for #archlinux (or ##linux). This may require some kernel-support or support in the initramfs to work |
| 19:35.36 | wd | catsup: ok so what do i do.. apt-get dist upgrade or something? |
| 19:35.43 | enouf | laurin: 2KB == 4 x 512 sectors |
| 19:35.47 | wd | catsup: lol |
| 19:35.52 | wd | i know catsup . |
| 19:35.54 | catsup | wd: go for it :) |
| 19:35.54 | laurin | Tramp, it already works on my other computer |
| 19:36.05 | wd | catsup: command? |
| 19:36.08 | laurin | enouf, i know |
| 19:36.23 | Tramp | laurin: on debian? |
| 19:36.26 | enouf | laurin: so, sectors 1-4 ? |
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| 19:36.32 | enouf | on debian? |
| 19:36.35 | laurin | Tramp, no ArchLinux ^^ |
| 19:36.36 | wd | catsup: maybe i should get a good sources.list. |
| 19:36.44 | Tramp | laurin: you realize, this is #debian? |
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| 19:36.52 | laurin | enouf, dd if=/dev/sdz of=file bs=2048 count=1 |
| 19:37.07 | enouf | !tell wd -about sources.list |
| 19:37.12 | laurin | Tramp, yes but in #archlinux they can't help/inore mee |
| 19:37.18 | laurin | *ignore me |
| 19:37.28 | wd | catsup: do u have a sarge list.. mine commented. |
| 19:37.28 | enouf | ... |
| 19:37.33 | wd | enouf: ty |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | laurin: that doesn't make this right place to ask, you're offtopic, use the channel for your distro or use ##linux .. |
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| 19:38.05 | enouf | look guys, i ordered some serious food for me and my gal - gotta go ;-) |
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| 19:38.15 | ProN00b | i am having a problem with mdadm on my lenny install, mdadm-raid seems to start on runevels S, 0 and 6 but when i start up it never seems to be called and i need to start it manually |
| 19:38.25 | laurin | abrotman, okay, i switch the channel |
| 19:38.56 | googlah | Hey guys, I just downloaded the netinstall of Debian. Can I burn it on a DVD+R and still make it bootable? |
| 19:39.07 | catsup | googlah: yep. |
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| 19:39.35 | Sebboh | Uh, if the latest version of a package has a bug, can I download and install a prior version? And, how can I see a list of prior versions? FYI, the packages I'm interested in are in the linux-image-xen family. |
| 19:39.40 | googlah | good stuff. does it depend on the burning software I'm using? |
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| 19:40.20 | catsup | googlah: in the most general sense, yes... without burning software, there's no way to get the data on the disc |
| 19:40.21 | administrator | I just installed Debian, but I have a low screen resolution (1024x768); I tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and it included the higher resolutions, but they do not appear when I actually try changing the screen resolution. |
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| 19:40.51 | googlah | catsup: hehe, yeah |
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| 19:40.55 | catsup | 1024x768 is low resolution? kids are spoiled these days... |
| 19:41.14 | kazol_ | catsup: Yes, I need something close to 1680x1050. |
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| 19:41.35 | googlah | We'll try. I'm using Alcohol 120% now to burn it.. |
| 19:41.40 | catsup | googlah: that should work |
| 19:41.42 | Zacaa | hahaha catsup, that's funny! :) |
| 19:41.43 | abrotman | kazol_: card/driver ? |
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| 19:42.06 | kazol_ | abrotman: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 945G/GZ/P/PL Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) |
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| 19:42.22 | abrotman | kazol_: lspci | grep VGA |
| 19:42.29 | kazol_ | abrotman: Sorry, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 945G/GZ Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
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| 19:43.59 | abrotman | !tell kazol_ about etch->lenny |
| 19:44.21 | kazol_ | ok... |
| 19:44.28 | wd | catsup: ok update sources.. with etch repos..aptitude updating now, when done if i do aptitude i should see upgrade or update options huh? |
| 19:44.39 | ProN00b | i am having a problem with mdadm on my lenny install, mdadm-raid seems to start on runevels S, 0 and 6 but when i start up it never seems to be called and i need to start it manually, can anyone tell me how i could go about debugging that ? |
| 19:44.51 | catsup | wd: yeah, misc. debconf stuff |
| 19:44.53 | wd | catsup: for system that is |
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| 19:45.25 | catsup | ProN00b: it should start on S... |
| 19:45.56 | catsup | ProN00b: do you mean that if you boot to single user, you get your raid partition, but not if you boot to runlevel 2? |
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| 19:46.11 | SeveredCross | That would make...no sense. |
| 19:46.23 | ProN00b | i don't even know how to boot into runlevels individually |
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| 19:46.53 | wd | catsup: ok couldn't stat some stuff but dependency tree finished i'm a prompt. what's command to upgrade? |
| 19:46.55 | catsup | ProN00b: ok, well you need to describe the problem a bit differently |
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| 19:47.12 | catsup | wd: you did update? do dist-upgrade |
| 19:47.13 | Sebboh | ProN00b, is that supposed to say pro-newb, or pr0n-newb? heh. |
| 19:47.31 | kazol_ | abrotman: Ok, I changed the sources.list file and ran apt-get update, but I don't know the cmnd for dist-upgrade. |
| 19:47.37 | catsup | somehow i have the feeling he's no newb to pr0n |
| 19:47.53 | dvs | sighs |
| 19:48.02 | abrotman | !tell kazol_ about etch->lenny |
| 19:48.06 | abrotman | read the whole thing |
| 19:48.15 | ProN00b | catsup, mdadm-raid never seems to start, even tho its in init.d and has links to it in rc0.d rcS.d and rc6.d, any idea why it doesn't start ? |
| 19:48.30 | ProN00b | catsup, and i boot normally, no toying with runlevels or anything |
| 19:48.38 | kazol_ | abrotman: I don't understand, what is this for? |
| 19:48.50 | kazol_ | And I did read the whole thing twice. |
| 19:48.50 | wd | catsup: i did aptitude update but it couldn't stat source package list /var/lin/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_packages |
| 19:48.57 | wd | catsup: wew alot of typing. |
| 19:49.26 | catsup | ProN00b: ok, without first running mdadm manually, see if running '/etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start' works, and if not, i guess sh -x the same command, but first make sure /etc/mdadm.conf is correct |
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| 19:49.30 | wd | catsup: i need to update package list to correct. |
| 19:49.41 | ProN00b | catsup, that works, thats what i first tried |
| 19:49.53 | ProN00b | /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
| 19:50.01 | ProN00b | otherwise i would at least have something to debug from |
| 19:50.06 | catsup | ProN00b: ok, that's pretty strange |
| 19:50.10 | ProN00b | yeah |
| 19:50.18 | googlah | Hm, just popped a net-CD in and booted Debian. But it doesn't go further than DHCP... and all I can use is DHCP. How can I continue? Any ideas? :\ |
| 19:50.26 | wd | catsup: doing dist-upgrade will it also change my sources.list to current? |
| 19:50.32 | catsup | ProN00b: try throwing a sulogin in before mdadm starts, and then you can debug from there |
| 19:50.41 | catsup | wd: nope |
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| 19:51.13 | catsup | wd: it sounds like your update failed, did it? btw use http not ftp, it's faster |
| 19:51.28 | wd | catsup: getting apt-spy. |
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| 19:52.35 | catsup | ProN00b: i guess the most likely thing is that your devices aren't available when mdadm loads, which would still be very unusual; what are the devices? |
| 19:52.43 | wd | catsup: doing aptitude dist-upgrade now |
| 19:52.55 | ProN00b | catsup, usb harddisks |
| 19:53.01 | catsup | ok, that makes more sense |
| 19:53.55 | ProN00b | it used to work before *_* |
| 19:53.59 | catsup | i mean that must be it. your usb disks aren't up at S25, for some reason |
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| 19:54.49 | magyar | hi, when I create a directory in my home dir it gets assignet a group "1000" on it's own. Where do I overwrite it? |
| 19:54.56 | catsup | really, the way the init scripts work is wrong, they should be enabling disks as udev events bring them in... |
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| 19:55.35 | catsup | magyar: chgrp |
| 19:55.42 | ProN00b | catsup, so how would i make it work ? |
| 19:56.41 | magyar | catsup: why are the files and dirs get created with group 1000, is there a way to disable this fearure and have it created with group "users" ? |
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| 19:56.44 | catsup | ProN00b: well--i guess what i'd do is lose the mdadm-raid script, and try to load your array in a udev rules file |
| 19:56.51 | azeem | magyar: what does the "id" command output? |
| 19:56.52 | frank_white_ | what is the default iptable rule? all opened? |
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| 19:57.27 | catsup | magyar: yes, remove your user from the group 1000 and put her in the group users |
| 19:57.28 | azeem | frank_white_: yes |
| 19:57.31 | meandrain | Hello. Any ideea how to use static arp on a router, if i add to arp table with arp -s IP MAC, then what command should I use to enable static arp on a network interface? |
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| 19:58.01 | magyar | azeem: 1000 is my GID, but my GID doesn't exists. How can I modify my GID to 100 ? |
| 19:59.13 | azeem | magyar: how many users are on this machine? |
| 19:59.28 | catsup | magyar: use vipw, go to the user that has uid 1000, change the 4th field to 100 instead of 1000 |
| 20:00.06 | magyar | azeem: 5 users |
| 20:00.22 | ProN00b | catsup, when installing mdadm it seems to do "Generating udev events for MD arrays...done." is that possibly what you mean ? |
| 20:00.47 | catsup | ProN00b: no |
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| 20:01.09 | catsup | ProN00b: you want to hook on the udev event for the underlying disks |
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| 20:01.27 | catsup | ProN00b: that means (i guess) generating an event for the md device itself |
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| 20:02.23 | catsup | ProN00b: the udev rules solution might be too difficult, if you don't know anything about udev |
| 20:03.46 | ProN00b | catsup, any idea why it worked before but now doesn't anymore ? |
| 20:03.48 | catsup | ProN00b: well, no, it's not difficult. just make sure mdadm runs with --no-degraded and put a hook on every one of your underlying disks |
| 20:03.58 | frank_white_ | is there still a site out there someplace that will let you have a free shell in chroot environment for testing purposes? |
| 20:04.21 | catsup | ProN00b: race condition, the usb drives have to be picked up by udev before the init scripts reach S25. |
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| 20:04.39 | catsup | frank_white_: there's a list of such sites... |
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| 20:04.56 | catsup | frank_white_: i've got it bookmarked somewhere but i think google 'free shells' might find it faster |
| 20:05.02 | wd | cat |
| 20:05.20 | ProN00b | catsup, but udev is S03 so it should start before S25... |
| 20:05.42 | catsup | ProN00b: it's not udev itself, but the udev event, that is generated by the kernel, at no guaranteed time |
| 20:06.03 | catsup | ProN00b: see /usr/share/doc/udev |
| 20:06.07 | wd | catsup: should i get all 3 en_us locale or just keep the one checked... en_US ISO-889-1? |
| 20:06.09 | ootput | hi guys, i'm trying to create an init script that's run on boot. I'm stuck on accomplishing the following: kill pid of program, and if no pid exists, echo message and exit script. All this is done by normal user: su -c "kill `pidof fah6` || exit && echo 'Error: no instance of F@H found'" normaluser |
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| 20:06.35 | ootput | atm, the echo ' ' gets executed with both OR conditions |
| 20:06.40 | catsup | wd: shrug |
| 20:06.47 | wd | catsup: ok |
| 20:06.51 | catsup | wd: i think there's one that says UTF, i usually pick that |
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| 20:07.49 | catsup | ootput: 'kill `pidof fah6` || exit' will never continue |
| 20:08.03 | catsup | erm, what? both? |
| 20:08.16 | ootput | when pid exists, error message is sstill displayed |
| 20:08.51 | catsup | does || shit create a subshell? anyway, killall fah6 || echo is what you want |
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| 20:09.52 | ootput | catsup: why killall? |
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| 20:10.15 | ootput | both do the same thing, no? |
| 20:10.22 | catsup | killall process-name is equivalent to kill $(pidof process-name) but starts fewer processes |
| 20:10.30 | ootput | oh |
| 20:10.37 | catsup | and it's easier to type, although having to explain it to you nullifies that advantage to me |
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| 20:11.25 | ootput | haha. yeah |
| 20:11.30 | dondelelcaro | that's why pkill exists. |
| 20:11.35 | catsup | 'false || exit && echo' <-- this just exits in bash |
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| 20:11.42 | meandrain | Hello. Any ideea how to use static arp on a router, if i add to arp table with arp -s IP MAC, then what command should I use to enable static arp on a network interface? |
| 20:12.28 | meandrain | i am looking for something like "ifconfig fxp0 staticarp" (on FreeBSD) |
| 20:12.30 | ootput | pkill isn't used in any of theinitscripts of a base install |
| 20:12.54 | dondelelcaro | ootput: because the initscripts should all know the pid of the daemon that they started |
| 20:13.08 | catsup | meandrain: i searched google for 'static arp' linux |
| 20:13.15 | catsup | meandrain: first hit was tihs thread: http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-linux/2003-12/0027.html |
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| 20:13.54 | meandrain | if i use ifconfig eth0 -arp then, router is not sending arp to known hosts |
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| 20:14.22 | meandrain | catsup: that is about using static arp with iptables which i did but it works very slow, because i have a lot of iptables rules |
| 20:14.34 | catsup | oh |
| 20:14.51 | catsup | well i certainly don't have any more to offer than that :) |
| 20:15.19 | meandrain | i can disable arp learning on linux router, but then i must define also static arp tables on windoze clients |
| 20:15.24 | meandrain | which is not nice |
| 20:15.37 | catsup | meandrain: did you read ip(8) ? |
| 20:15.45 | catsup | meandrain: RTPROTO := [ kernel | boot | static | NUMBER ] |
| 20:15.52 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.55 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.59 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.03 | meandrain | i see |
| 20:16.04 | meandrain | thanx |
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| 20:18.17 | Sebboh | test. Am I connected? |
| 20:18.20 | catsup | Sebboh: no. |
| 20:18.23 | streuner | no |
| 20:18.24 | Sebboh | k. |
| 20:18.46 | streuner | !test |
| 20:18.46 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 20:18.57 | zicho | how do i change permissions of a file to a certain user? "chown user file"? |
| 20:19.12 | catsup | that changes the owner, to change the permissions use chmod |
| 20:19.20 | streuner | !+tell zicho -about permissions |
| 20:19.21 | dpkg | told zicho about permissions. |
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| 20:23.09 | zicho | so chmod 777 gives all users the right to read, write and execute? |
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| 20:26.40 | milligan_ | hmz. Anyone familiar with iceweasel freezing when watching movies based on flashplayers? |
| 20:27.26 | cammoblammo | I seem to have an issue in which if I have my iPod Shuffle mounted my wireless connection effectively drops out. If I umount the iPod my wireless connection comes back to life. Any idea where to begin tracking down the problem? (FWIW, the machine takes a very long time to boot if the iPod is connected as well.) |
| 20:28.15 | Sebboh | Most of my Debian systems do shell auto-complete magic with package names. One system doesn't. What do I need to change on that system (Lenny) to make it do the magic? |
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| 20:28.36 | abrotman | is the bash-completion package installed ? |
| 20:28.55 | Sebboh | cammoblammo, is your wireless device a USB device? |
| 20:29.01 | cammoblammo | No, PCI |
| 20:29.01 | Sebboh | abrotman, probably not. Thanks. |
| 20:30.20 | gravity | (or switch to zsh) |
| 20:30.46 | abrotman | quit your pimping! |
| 20:30.50 | gravity | :-) |
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| 20:33.45 | simonrvn | gravity! |
| 20:34.02 | simonrvn | *shock* *shock* |
| 20:34.06 | gravity | simonrvn: Heya |
| 20:34.13 | simonrvn | how are ya ? |
| 20:34.20 | gravity | I'm good, how about you? |
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| 20:34.24 | simonrvn | :D |
| 20:34.32 | simonrvn | (i.e., doing ok) |
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| 20:35.22 | gravity | Good :-) |
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| 20:36.30 | madk | how do i get a list of all packages installed on my system, so that i can save the file and do sth. like cat list | apt-get install on a new system? |
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| 20:36.56 | simonrvn | dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 20:36.56 | dpkg | simonrvn: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:37.05 | simonrvn | dpkg: not since last year |
| 20:37.05 | dpkg | no idea, simonrvn |
| 20:37.21 | gravity | heh |
| 20:37.21 | ceil420 | using Xfce didn't get me my unicode input :( |
| 20:37.24 | simonrvn | dpkg: i know, you're a bot |
| 20:37.24 | dpkg | simonrvn: are you using Windows? |
| 20:37.31 | simonrvn | dpkg: no i'm not |
| 20:37.31 | dpkg | simonrvn: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:37.39 | streuner | haha |
| 20:37.41 | simonrvn | dpkg: not today |
| 20:37.42 | dpkg | simonrvn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:37.47 | simonrvn | dpkg: no |
| 20:37.47 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 20:37.54 | maligor | is it running eliza or what? :P |
| 20:37.59 | gravity | I found my way over to tldp for the first time in a while the other day. Trying to learn emacs is taking me to places I hadn't seen in a while. |
| 20:38.10 | simonrvn | emacs++ |
| 20:38.16 | simonrvn | vim++ |
| 20:38.16 | abrotman | like the mental hospital? :) |
| 20:38.28 | simonrvn | *groan* hehe |
| 20:38.29 | asg | abrotman: like costco to buy extra ram |
| 20:39.13 | gravity | abrotman: Nearly. Switching editors at this point is a little horrifying. |
| 20:39.25 | asg | C-x C-c hate |
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| 20:39.40 | maligor | :love |
| 20:39.51 | Sebboh | hmm.. |
| 20:39.51 | abrotman | gravity: so don't |
| 20:39.55 | Sebboh | dpkg public key |
| 20:39.55 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 20:39.57 | asg | :fist maligor |
| 20:40.00 | simonrvn | i'm mostly using emacs nowadays. i got tired of switching modes all the time :/ |
| 20:40.05 | asg | !fist maligor |
| 20:40.06 | dpkg | uses maligor as a handpuppet |
| 20:40.11 | Farhadix | hi guys :D. how i can change a file to utf-8 encoding? |
| 20:40.11 | abrotman | Sebboh: msg the bot please |
| 20:40.24 | ceil420 | lol abrotman |
| 20:40.26 | ceil420 | @ emacs insanity |
| 20:40.33 | Pulpie | does anyone here have a radeon x1650 or close to that? |
| 20:40.48 | simonrvn | Farhadix: iconv or recode |
| 20:41.00 | simonrvn | Pulpie: /msg dpkg polls |
| 20:41.15 | madk | can i get a list of all installed packages on my system? |
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| 20:41.21 | gravity | abrotman: It's worth it. vim is too constraining for a lot of my coding these days |
| 20:41.24 | asg | madk: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 20:41.49 | abrotman | gravity: just become a manager .. problem solved |
| 20:41.51 | Sebboh | Pulpie, simply ask your question. The round trip time for the pre-question is at least twice as far as just asking, and more if you count this. :) |
| 20:42.01 | Pulpie | simonrvn: Its cause I have a problem, It will only help if you have the same software as me because people who don't will suggest the wrong things. |
| 20:42.06 | Farhadix | simonrvn, how i can find that what is encoding a file? |
| 20:42.08 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 20:42.11 | gravity | Although I'm spending more time coding outside of both vim and emacs than in them now. Go go squeak! |
| 20:42.18 | madk | asg, that are all packages i have installed with aptitude? |
| 20:42.24 | gravity | abrotman: Heh, one glorious day in the future maybe |
| 20:42.28 | simonrvn | Farhadix: you mean what encoding a file has? same tools |
| 20:42.31 | madk | asg, i get "only" 1100 packages |
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| 20:42.40 | asg | madk: yes and? |
| 20:42.52 | Farhadix | simonrvn, yes. how? |
| 20:43.39 | maligor | gravity, ed will free your potential |
| 20:43.44 | asg | !be ed |
| 20:43.45 | dpkg | ? |
| 20:43.58 | frank_white_ | what could cause sshd to work when you try it from a local machine if you enter the LAN IP of the machine, but not if you enter its public IP? (connection refused) but then it seems to work if you try to ssh into it with the public ip from a machine not on the network? |
| 20:43.58 | gravity | heh |
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| 20:44.21 | simonrvn | Farhadix: man foo , like everyone else does |
| 20:44.32 | abrotman | gravity: i'm not sure what your vim level was .. but can emacs really solve that ? |
| 20:44.58 | asg | abrotman: of course, emacs comes with lap dances |
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| 20:45.20 | abrotman | asg: he was a level 6 vim user with a +1 Dexterity |
| 20:45.27 | Farhadix | simonrvn, thanks :D |
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| 20:45.42 | asg | abrotman: now you are starting to sound like clint |
| 20:45.43 | simonrvn | and +1 strength to lift the vim help docs |
| 20:45.49 | cammoblammo | frank_white_: I had a similar issue once. It turned out to be a firmware problem in my modem whereby it wouldn't recognise it's own external IP. |
| 20:45.56 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 20:46.00 | Pulpie | abrotman, simonrvn go to #debian-offtopic if your not going to help. |
| 20:46.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: he needs +1 speed to boot it! |
| 20:46.08 | madk | asg, and if i do sth. like dpkg -l | grep ii | cut -d' ' -f3 >> list i get all the names of the packages, so that i could reinstall them easily with apt-get? |
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| 20:46.18 | Pulpie | !offtopic |
| 20:46.18 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:46.19 | streuner | Pulpie: Don't troll |
| 20:46.23 | simonrvn | Pulpie: ,.|.. |
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| 20:46.39 | AlexC_ | hey all |
| 20:46.41 | gravity | abrotman: I don't know, but we'll see. Even using ctags and doing small amounts of (blech) vimscript, working on something complex like the x server was difficult. |
| 20:46.44 | asg | madk: use dpkg --get-selections ; dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:46.50 | Pulpie | im trolling, in fact I have been here for a good week without a problem |
| 20:46.55 | AlexC_ | how come there is no 'checkinstall' in the repos for Etch? Is there a better way to do it? |
| 20:46.56 | Pulpie | im not trolling* |
| 20:47.04 | simonrvn | i've been here for 5+ years |
| 20:47.05 | frank_white_ | freudian slip? ;-) |
| 20:47.06 | abrotman | you were a few days ago |
| 20:47.08 | gravity | abrotman: I get the impression that emacs does a better job of handling split views and multiple buffers than vim, but I don't know that yet since I'm still learning. |
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| 20:47.15 | asg | simonrvn: has it been only 5+ years? |
| 20:47.23 | Sebboh | I'm on Lenny. I did a apt-get source on a kernel package and I get "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found". I have the latest debian-archive-keyring. What's up here? |
| 20:47.26 | simonrvn | asg: something like that |
| 20:47.29 | Pulpie | abrotman: No, I was not. |
| 20:47.32 | madk | asg, thanks. |
| 20:47.33 | asg | simonrvn: cripes, we are getting old |
| 20:47.41 | Pulpie | simonrvn: then you should know the rules and set an example. |
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| 20:47.49 | abrotman | gravity: do you require a separate VM for each buffer? :) |
| 20:47.53 | gravity | abrotman: One surprising thing is that emacs actually starts up faster than vim for me though, which is a plus |
| 20:47.53 | simonrvn | asg: yup *grin*. i have several more white hairs ;) |
| 20:47.56 | streuner | damn, iam become old ('99) |
| 20:48.03 | asg | Pulpie: we do know the rules. This is Sunday. |
| 20:48.07 | Sebboh | Pulpie, your conversation seems sort of off topic.. |
| 20:48.13 | simonrvn | Pulpie: welcome to my /ignore list |
| 20:48.43 | simonrvn | gravity: i run it in multi-tty mode, really nice |
| 20:48.53 | Pulpie | asg: Sebboh, good point so lets get back on topic |
| 20:49.02 | asg | Pulpie: /msg dpkg checkinstall |
| 20:49.28 | asg | AlexC_: ^^^ |
| 20:49.33 | simonrvn | Sebboh: whatever source it is, it hasn't been added to the apt-key db |
| 20:49.45 | gravity | simonrvn: Cool, I'll have a look |
| 20:49.54 | AlexC_ | asg, just did that =). What is another way of creating a package for it then, just for use on this one server? |
| 20:50.11 | Pulpie | asg: why are you telling me that? |
| 20:50.17 | asg | Pulpie: ^^^ |
| 20:50.33 | Pulpie | asg: I read it and it doesn't have to do with anything. |
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| 20:50.35 | asg | AlexC_: you are better off just doing ./configure --prefix=/usr/local and dealing with it that way. |
| 20:50.59 | AlexC_ | asg, I have already done that, but ideally I don't want to do 'make install' since then I can not remove it easily, afaik |
| 20:51.02 | asg | Pulpie: The ^^^ was in reference to the ^^^ I gave to AlexC_ right after I told you that. Try to keep up. |
| 20:51.24 | abrotman | asg: he needs a helmet |
| 20:51.29 | Pulpie | asg: sorry I only read the things people say to me. |
| 20:51.34 | asg | AlexC_: if you do --prefix=/usr/local/<pkg> then removal is as simple as rm -Rf /usr/local/<pkg>. |
| 20:51.47 | AlexC_ | asg, oh right ok =) |
| 20:52.00 | abrotman | asg: odd .. he sure called us on being offtopic for a guy that only reads things that people say to him eh ? |
| 20:52.11 | asg | shrugs and gets more beer |
| 20:52.31 | simonrvn | frank_white: please ask first before msging people. thanks |
| 20:52.38 | Psy-X | sup? |
| 20:53.00 | frank_white | mutters |
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| 20:53.49 | simonrvn | frank_white: could you msg me that again, i closed it |
| 20:54.04 | abrotman | gravity: how long did it take you to start vim ? |
| 20:54.26 | gravity | abrotman: I don't know, but noticeably longer |
| 20:54.34 | abrotman | gravity: mine is pretty instant |
| 20:54.42 | gravity | I wish I could say that |
| 20:54.56 | abrotman | gravity: do you have a 486? |
| 20:55.06 | gravity | Why yes, yes I do |
| 20:55.13 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:55.49 | Sebboh | simonrvn, I see. Thanks. Hum, I've got the key now.. in my user's uh, keyring? So now I can gpg --export <that name> | apt-key add - .. right? But, I don't know what should go in <that name>. |
| 20:55.50 | gravity | I need to try out viper mode though at some point soon. I'm sure I'll end up using it a bit. |
| 20:55.53 | elif | hi, where is xdvi in debian testing ? |
| 20:56.25 | simonrvn | Sebboh: no, the apt one, in /etc/apt |
| 20:56.39 | simonrvn | Sebboh: /msg dpkg apt-key |
| 20:57.02 | elif | I distro-upgrade (etch->lenny) and I tryed to run xdvi, I received this error: |
| 20:57.02 | elif | Can't exec "xdvi.bin": Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado at /usr/bin/xdvi line 87. |
| 20:57.02 | elif | xdvi: xdvi.bin terminated abnormally: -1 |
| 20:57.12 | abrotman | elif: sounds like it's there |
| 20:57.35 | elif | yeah, but I tried to find the package to reinstall it... |
| 20:57.54 | abrotman | !+find bin/xdvi lenny |
| 20:57.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:58.09 | asg | abrotman: it's part of the latex collective |
| 20:58.15 | Sebboh | I think that .. The issue is that I don't know how to tell gpg which key I want to export. I don't know if I'm following the same method that dpkg would recommend or not.. My method lacks only a bit of information, hmm. |
| 20:58.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xdvi' (3): (/usr/bin/xdvipdfmx) in tex/texlive-xetex ;; (/usr/bin/{xdvi-ja|xdvi-ja.real}) in tex/xdvik-ja ;; (/usr/bin/{xdvi|xdvi-xaw.bin|xdvizilla}) in tex/texlive-base-bin. |
| 20:58.34 | abrotman | asg: i thought so .. but i wasn't sure after all the latex stuff they redid awhile ago |
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| 20:59.06 | elif | abrotman: So it is in a transactionpackage of tetex to texlive ? |
| 20:59.13 | simonrvn | Sebboh: do this: apt-key SOMEKEYID with dpkg, and it should spit out a generic one-liner for you |
| 20:59.27 | abrotman | elif: install texlive-base-bin |
| 20:59.42 | simonrvn | transition |
| 20:59.49 | Sebboh | simonrvn, ok. By the way, check out what dpkg says about apt-key ... |
| 20:59.52 | elif | simonrvn: yeah... transition |
| 20:59.54 | Sebboh | dpkg apt-key |
| 20:59.55 | dpkg | Sebboh: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:00.09 | abrotman | Sebboh: you're doing it wrong |
| 21:00.13 | simonrvn | Sebboh: ah, just do the second thing ;) |
| 21:00.15 | Sebboh | without arguments anyway. yes. |
| 21:00.18 | Sebboh | ;) |
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| 21:00.45 | simonrvn | some factoids have two triggers, some don't. i thought that one did |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | it does have one |
| 21:01.31 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 21:01.37 | simonrvn | hm |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | !apt-key foo |
| 21:01.43 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys foo ; gpg --export foo | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:01.55 | simonrvn | !apt-key |
| 21:02.05 | simonrvn | guess not |
| 21:02.57 | Sebboh | Oh, the .. yep, what I was missing was the gpg --export foo.. I thought that I needed --export bar where bar was some value I didn't know. All said, thanks guys. |
| 21:03.31 | simonrvn | np |
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| 21:07.50 | liang | hello, everyone. |
| 21:08.10 | elif | abrotman: I just reinstalled texlive-base-bin, and received the same error... any ideas howto go ? |
| 21:08.17 | liang | i have a question about how to use a debian -dpg package... |
| 21:08.35 | liang | for example, i have both r-base-core and r-base-core-dbg installed. |
| 21:08.38 | abrotman | elif: LANG=C <command> |
| 21:08.52 | liang | but how can i load the symbol files when inside gdb? |
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| 21:09.06 | liang | some general ideas will be good? |
| 21:09.20 | liang | i searched the web but to no avail. |
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| 21:10.35 | Bushmills | liang, 16 mb rather than 300 k? |
| 21:10.39 | JordiGH | I've got some Vorbis files encoded at a ridiculously high bitrate. How can I re-encode them to a lower bitrate? |
| 21:10.51 | elif | abrotman: hum... nothing yet, I'm reading the perl script here, But I don't understand why they make this... |
| 21:11.02 | liang | bushmills: what do you mean by 16 mb? |
| 21:11.06 | elif | abrotman: the same error resulted... |
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| 21:11.14 | abrotman | elif: but in english ? |
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| 21:11.41 | Bushmills | liang: nm, was too early opening my mouth - thought i recognized your problem but noticed it was a different one when i read on. |
| 21:11.42 | elif | oh... no, it was in portuguese the error, |
| 21:12.00 | hollywoodb | JordiGH: does oggenc not take vorbis files as input? |
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| 21:12.05 | elif | but I may translate to you, if you want. |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | that'd be helfpul |
| 21:12.17 | abrotman | !pt |
| 21:12.17 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 21:12.19 | JordiGH | hollywoodb: It seems like it doesn't... oddly enough. |
| 21:12.19 | liang | bushmills: no problem.. |
| 21:12.27 | JordiGH | ERROR: Input file "01 - Ae Ae.ogg" is not a supported format |
| 21:12.29 | testga22 | what is the best way to queue cpu-intensive jobs, like video transcoding? |
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| 21:12.37 | noisesmith | does anyone know what interface I use to get my battery info with the ppc port? |
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| 21:13.03 | JordiGH | testga22: Do you want to queue the job or to nice it? |
| 21:13.10 | Bushmills | testga22: running them with nice should do. |
| 21:13.11 | elif | abrotman: Can't exec "xdvi.bin": file or directory not found at /usr/bin/xdvi line 87. |
| 21:13.11 | elif | xdvi: xdvi.bin terminated abnormally: -1 |
| 21:13.14 | noisesmith | also, for those of you who were as confused as me by my network problems, it was a misconfigured router, that affected one machine and not the other |
| 21:13.21 | abrotman | elif: what is line 87? |
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| 21:13.39 | magyar | is there a way to "ls" and see file count? |
| 21:13.53 | elif | abrotman: that is because, xdvi is a perl script... I don't know why they did it... |
| 21:13.54 | noisesmith | magyar: ls | wc -l |
| 21:14.20 | elif | abrotman: this script does somethin (I dont know) and then I think call the real xdvi program |
| 21:14.28 | testga22 | JordiGH, Bushmills, ok gotta check out what nice is. The jobs are submitted through php to process media. want to queue it up very simple... |
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| 21:14.57 | JordiGH | testga22: nice makes a process use less CPU, not queue it. |
| 21:15.18 | JordiGH | testga22: It makes a process... behave nicely. :-) It won't hog the CPU and let other processes use it. |
| 21:15.28 | testga22 | JordiGH, ok that's smart. |
| 21:15.34 | elif | abrotman: and the line 87 is... |
| 21:15.34 | elif | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.37 | noisesmith | also, ionice is helpful |
| 21:15.40 | testga22 | JordiGH: I will want to combine a queue system and nice then |
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| 21:15.53 | abrotman | elif: that file is not anywhere in lenny so says apt-file |
| 21:16.02 | abrotman | !find xdvi.bin sid |
| 21:16.10 | noisesmith | ionice helps when you don't want an app to hog the hard disk or the internet link |
| 21:16.15 | Hinata` | I've got a message like "error unable to set system clock to date something" when I start debian, is there a way to find it - because when debian start my clock don't have the correct hour :s |
| 21:16.34 | hollywoodb | JordiGH: well, there's soundconverter for gnome, but you could try piping the output from oggdec into oggenc, or making a little wrapper script |
| 21:16.40 | Tramp | abrotman: it's a link to /etc/alternatives, then back to /usr/bin/xdvi-xaw.bin |
| 21:16.47 | elif | abrotman: So, I do I have it? I just downloaded from the debian repository (a mirror, in brazil). |
| 21:16.53 | elif | * why |
| 21:17.10 | abrotman | Tramp: cute |
| 21:17.12 | JordiGH | hollywoodb: Wrapper script? I bet that's a one-liner bashism. ;-) |
| 21:17.13 | testga22 | JordiGH, right now 5 users can add as many jobs they want, but that hogs the cpu... I want to process 1 at the time...So each time they submit a job, it's placed into a queue... Will Crontab be a good idea for this? |
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| 21:17.38 | noisesmith | so, is it possible to query the status of my ppc battery? |
| 21:17.41 | JordiGH | testga22: I'm not sure how to queue processes. |
| 21:17.44 | Tramp | abrotman: So I presume he has to "update alternatives" something - I cannot help him, since I don't understand this mechanism |
| 21:17.57 | elif | abrotman: there is a header for this wrapper script that say: |
| 21:17.57 | elif | # This is the xdvi wrapper script for Debian, based on Thomas Esser's |
| 21:17.57 | elif | # teTeX version 0.2. |
| 21:17.57 | elif | # Debian version: Copyright Julian Gilbey, 2002. Lots of modifications |
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| 21:18.00 | asg | abrotman: xdvi.bin is an /etc/alternatives link (in my case on etch, to /usr/bin/xdvi-xaw.bin |
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| 21:18.14 | abrotman | well .. if he comes back .. we'll see what he has |
| 21:18.19 | simonrvn | !update-alternatives |
| 21:18.19 | dpkg | update-alternatives is, like, a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 21:18.23 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.31 | abrotman | elif: ls /etc/alternatives/ | grep xdvi .. how many lines ? |
| 21:18.34 | elif | abrotman: I'm back |
| 21:18.49 | simonrvn | !update-alternatives =~ s/?,/./ |
| 21:18.49 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 21:19.03 | simonrvn | oops |
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| 21:19.53 | JordiGH | Hm, oggdec can't output to stdout. :-/ |
| 21:19.53 | magyar | noisesmith: thanks |
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| 21:20.17 | elif | abrotman: sorry I fell down again... I'll checkout the command just a minute |
| 21:20.18 | Tramp | JordiGH: you tried "-o -"? |
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| 21:20.53 | Tramp | JordiGH: the manpage implies, that this is the way to do it (as one would expect) |
| 21:20.59 | Hinata` | ^^ |
| 21:20.59 | noisesmith | jordigh: sox can read ogg and output to stdout |
| 21:21.12 | elif | abrotman: ls /etc/alternatives/ | grep xdvi; shows just the line xdvi.bin |
| 21:21.22 | JordiGH | Tramp: Oops, that did it. |
| 21:21.34 | JordiGH | Oh well. I've got an inefficient method to do it for now. |
| 21:21.43 | JordiGH | Next time, I will be more efficient and cryptic. |
| 21:21.49 | abrotman | elif: if you `ls -l` .. where does it point ? |
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| 21:22.59 | elif | abrotman: it points to /usr/bin/xdvi.real |
| 21:23.16 | abrotman | that's wrong |
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| 21:23.28 | noisesmith | I had this daydream that even though google wasn't helping me with ppc battery monitoring, someone here would have the magic sauce |
| 21:23.29 | elif | hum... yeah I check out there's no xdvi.real |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | elif: update-alternatives --config xdvi |
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| 21:24.21 | elif | abrotman: thks |
| 21:24.27 | kazol | Is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso the lenny release? |
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| 21:24.45 | unseensoul | hi |
| 21:24.50 | abrotman | kazol: it's not been released |
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| 21:25.04 | kazol | abrotman: But I've heard that it's stable enough. |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | depends on your definition |
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| 21:25.16 | kazol | abrotman: And you recommended me to upgrade to it earlier. |
| 21:25.20 | streuner | kazol: its a devel version, if you want testing just use stable d-i (debian-installer) and upgrade to testing then |
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| 21:25.30 | JordiGH | Hm, I lost the tags this way. |
| 21:25.42 | JordiGH | Oh, well. That's what tagtool is for. :-) |
| 21:25.50 | elif | abrotman: well, I think should be a different target, it's getting: |
| 21:25.50 | elif | None alternative for xdvi (translated). |
| 21:26.02 | kazol | streuner: How would I upgrade? |
| 21:26.15 | streuner | kazol: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:26.21 | streuner | kazol: and read that first |
| 21:26.21 | unseensoul | is there any package which provides the x-director plugin? |
| 21:26.24 | abrotman | elif: does /usr/bin//xdvi-xaw.bin exist ? |
| 21:26.42 | elif | I'll checkout |
| 21:26.45 | kazol | streuner: I've read it, but I'm not sure how to perform a distro upgrade. |
| 21:27.00 | abrotman | elif: oh .. my bad .. wrong command .. hold on |
| 21:27.08 | elif | yes.. |
| 21:27.21 | elif | abrotman: ok |
| 21:27.32 | streuner | kazol: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 21:28.03 | kazol | streuner: It says "Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade." |
| 21:28.11 | kazol | streuner: How do I "dist-upgrade"? |
| 21:28.33 | streuner | dpkg, stable->testing |
| 21:28.33 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 21:29.10 | kazol | Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. |
| 21:29.11 | heavensrevenge | hello? |
| 21:29.19 | kazol | How do I perform the "dist-upgrade"? |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | elif: just make /etc/alternatives/xdvi a symlink to /usr/bin/xdvi-xaw.bin |
| 21:29.35 | heavensrevenge | ive got a perl problem, and my package handeling seems unusable |
| 21:29.51 | wd | ok what should one use from commandline.. apt-get or aptitude? don't they both handle depends? |
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| 21:30.00 | abrotman | heavensrevenge: more details |
| 21:30.06 | heavensrevenge | is there any way to force a removal of irssi without letting it to its pre-removal scripts that is dependant on perl? |
| 21:30.14 | Bushmills | testga22: if you need scheduling/queuying to avoid your machine being overwhelmed with processes, there are several options. i'd look at "at now -c <queuespec>" |
| 21:30.23 | heavensrevenge | since perl is stuck between 5.8.8 and 5.10 |
| 21:30.27 | Bushmills | -q, not -c ... |
| 21:30.28 | elif | abrotman: ok, I was thinking about it, but one question that I don't understand its why so many deviations to the command, its something wrong with my system or something from debian testing settings... |
| 21:30.31 | testga22 | Bushmills, great. thank you |
| 21:30.34 | Sebboh | I can't seem to find a debian package called linux-patch-xen. A tutorial I'm following to build a xen kernel says that I should get that package. Has something changed; where do I find the xen patches? |
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| 21:30.48 | abrotman | elif: for whatever reason .. your symlink didn't get updated |
| 21:31.02 | heavensrevenge | yes syn synaptic caused this error :( |
| 21:31.03 | elif | abrotman: ok... thks alot |
| 21:31.15 | streuner | kazol: in $editor just make the entries mentioned in the factoid (stable->testing), save that file and do "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 21:31.32 | heavensrevenge | but i rarely use it, this time i did, it screwed me, and im very very stuck |
| 21:31.40 | salvin | -- --- --- |
| 21:31.41 | testga22 | Bushmills, what exactly is " at now" ? |
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| 21:31.59 | kazol_ | streuner: Ok, thanks. |
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| 21:32.23 | streuner | kazol: read man aptitude |
| 21:32.33 | testga22 | Bushmills: can't seem to find any info on "at now -c <queuespec>" |
| 21:32.35 | Bushmills | at is a scheduler. by now you tell that you don't schedule a job for a given time, but as soon as possible. with -q you instruct to execute jobs sequentially |
| 21:32.38 | streuner | kazol: or/and man apt-get |
| 21:32.51 | testga22 | Bushmills: but that's exactly what I want to achieve |
| 21:32.57 | Bushmills | i thought so |
| 21:33.05 | heavensrevenge | im trying to remove irssi, but perl is needed to do a pre-remival script, and perl isnt working for it |
| 21:33.06 | Bushmills | that's why i told you |
| 21:33.20 | heavensrevenge | debian guys shouldnt rely on perl so much ;) |
| 21:33.46 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: uh... perl-base is Essential: yes, so there's no reason not to rely on it. |
| 21:33.54 | heavensrevenge | now that perl is borked, how does a system get back on its feet? |
| 21:34.07 | testga22 | Bushmills: great tip |
| 21:34.08 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: you show us the full output from your apt-get/dpkg run, and we'll tell you how to fix it. |
| 21:34.14 | kazol | streuner: So after performing dist-upgrade I will get updates every week, and when lenny becomes "stable", my system would have the same stability, right? |
| 21:34.30 | heavensrevenge | hmm, ok ill get a pastebin ready |
| 21:34.43 | streuner | kazol: /msg dpkg security |
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| 21:35.28 | streuner | kazol: if you using "stable" in sources.list, once when lenny is stable you are getting the security stuff |
| 21:35.38 | Bushmills | testga22: to pass a command, you may want to look at "here documents" which look like command <<< string |
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| 21:35.53 | kazol | Ok, good. |
| 21:36.11 | testga22 | Bushmills: ok |
| 21:36.16 | streuner | kazol: just use it, you'll find out later... |
| 21:36.17 | heavensrevenge | irssi seems to want to be in the installed AND upgraded category.. |
| 21:36.28 | heavensrevenge | ill still get z pastebin ready |
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| 21:37.14 | wd | can i use aptitude to upgrade my kernel from 2.4.27 to newer 2.6.x? |
| 21:37.23 | elif | Just a xterm question... is there a way to setup from shell the window title of xterm (I mean, not config how it will be, but assign a name to it after it was started)... |
| 21:37.25 | streuner | wd: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:37.43 | Bushmills | elif: yes. |
| 21:37.59 | elif | Bushmills: would you mind to say me how ? |
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| 21:38.12 | Bushmills | elif: just trying to remember :) |
| 21:38.20 | elif | Bushmills: oh... thks.. |
| 21:38.29 | Bushmills | elif: i think one way was by using the xwit tool |
| 21:38.45 | wd | streuner: no packages found matching lib6 |
| 21:38.58 | streuner | wd: libc6 |
| 21:39.06 | streuner | wd: not lib6 |
| 21:39.07 | Bushmills | elif |
| 21:39.08 | Bushmills | yes |
| 21:39.14 | Bushmills | xwit -name foo |
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| 21:39.33 | unop | elif, PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;My Title\007"' |
| 21:39.34 | elif | Bushmills: thks... I think I'll have to downloaded it here, I'm not finding xwit... |
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| 21:40.12 | elif | thks also unop, I think I'll use that, since I wont have to download anything |
| 21:40.13 | wd | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:40.28 | wd | streuner: i need to ssh into this laptop so i can paste.. lol |
| 21:40.32 | Bushmills | elif, a debian package xwit exists |
| 21:40.36 | streuner | wd: just use aptitude install <some kernel> |
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| 21:41.05 | streuner | wd: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:41.16 | streuner | wd: and install the kernel you need |
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| 21:41.26 | elif | Bushmills: yeah, but that way I just make an alias for it, I will test that solution, If I can't I fall on yours, thks |
| 21:41.40 | wd | streuner: i did this.. with 2.4.27 kernel, now i went from sarge to etch.. but catsup said if the guy in article used 2.6.8 i can use deb's. |
| 21:41.46 | wd | streuner: http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 21:42.04 | unop | elif, i believe PROMPT_COMMAND is set to do this already.. have a look in ~/.bashrc (or similar) |
| 21:42.17 | heavensrevenge | http://debian.pastebin.com/m7e32e5c6 |
| 21:42.17 | elif | unop: It worked perfectly |
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| 21:42.37 | heavensrevenge | thats what an apt-f install and an attempt at removing irssi gives me |
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| 21:43.05 | heavensrevenge | *apt-get -f install |
| 21:43.29 | wd | streuner: ok. is apt-get handling depends i'm reading that aptitude does? i mean which one should i use? |
| 21:43.57 | streuner | aptitude |
| 21:44.39 | heavensrevenge | http://debian.pastebin.com/m7e32e5c6 for the brave |
| 21:45.14 | abrotman | heavensrevenge: are you using sid? |
| 21:45.20 | heavensrevenge | yup |
| 21:45.32 | heavensrevenge | i havent dist-updraded for a few days |
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| 21:45.42 | bradhex | Speaking of apt-get, if i was to remove gnome using apt-get (i'm a kde user), would there be any severe damage done besides a few programs not working? |
| 21:45.43 | heavensrevenge | i had perl on hold for a while since it was giving problems |
| 21:45.45 | abrotman | heavensrevenge: that's probably why .. if you try, what does it try to install |
| 21:46.26 | heavensrevenge | what does what try to install abrotman ? |
| 21:46.30 | streuner | perl is in transition |
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| 21:46.41 | streuner | so expect a few headaches right now... |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | what's the output of aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
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| 21:46.53 | Bushmills | yes. and a bit more is broken in sid arm |
| 21:46.55 | Bushmills | atm |
| 21:46.55 | heavensrevenge | ok.. should i wait until perl is fixed? and up to 5.10 |
| 21:47.15 | heavensrevenge | yikes lol ok yea, perl is the bastard right now |
| 21:47.18 | streuner | you didn't read sid faq |
| 21:47.19 | Bushmills | not the best moment for dist-upgrade at all |
| 21:47.28 | dondelelcaro | !dist-upgrade |
| 21:47.28 | dpkg | dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch>, or <etch->lenny> |
| 21:47.30 | heavensrevenge | and i cant touch irssi, which has a perl pre-removal script |
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| 21:47.59 | streuner | bad luck |
| 21:48.08 | streuner | nobody told you to use unstable |
| 21:48.20 | heavensrevenge | ah, im using sid tho, so i can wait for sure :) but mainly i hope the perl woes get sorted soon |
| 21:49.01 | heavensrevenge | ill bite the bullet for using sid, cmon perl migrate!! |
| 21:49.05 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: what does apt-cache policy perl-base liblocale-gettext-perl; ? |
| 21:49.32 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: perl has already moved to 5.10. Your problem is that you've got packages which haven't been rebuilt against the proper version of the perl-api, and you've somehow managed to break liblocale-gettext-perl |
| 21:49.48 | heavensrevenge | ah yes that sounds right |
| 21:49.57 | heavensrevenge | perlapi is whats stuck inbetween |
| 21:50.08 | dondelelcaro | (which, considering that it *does* have a dependency on the right version of perlapi, sounds like you forced something to break it) |
| 21:50.31 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: perlapi is Provided by perl-base. |
| 21:51.25 | heavensrevenge | perl-base: Installed: 5.8.8-12 Candidate: 5.10.0-9 |
| 21:51.46 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: and liblocale-gettext-perl? |
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| 21:52.02 | heavensrevenge | liblocale-gettext-perl: Installed: 1.05-3+b1 Candidate: 1.05-3+b1 |
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| 21:52.53 | heavensrevenge | http://debian.pastebin.com/d620593fb |
| 21:53.05 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: there's your problem. That version of liblocale-gettext-perl is provided by perl-base 5.10.0-9, not the version you've got installed. |
| 21:53.08 | St0n3-C0l | hmm how do i lock my resolv.conf? chmod +i+w /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 21:53.10 | heavensrevenge | thats in attempt to update perl-base |
| 21:53.30 | St0n3-C0l | there was something i did with +i i remember |
| 21:53.35 | St0n3-C0l | now i've to unlock it |
| 21:53.44 | St0n3-C0l | not even root can write it at startup |
| 21:53.56 | Bushmills | St0n3-C0l: probably chattr |
| 21:54.02 | St0n3-C0l | ohhh |
| 21:54.07 | St0n3-C0l | chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 21:54.18 | Bushmills | -i to reset the flag |
| 21:54.21 | heavensrevenge | so... liblocale-gettext-perl is giving a conflicting version of perl-base?? |
| 21:54.23 | St0n3-C0l | LoL |
| 21:54.26 | St0n3-C0l | thanks |
| 21:54.34 | St0n3-C0l | i confused it wid chmod |
| 21:54.40 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: so apt-get install irssi- perl-base; |
| 21:54.43 | heavensrevenge | im not too sure, ive never seen such a conundrum before |
| 21:54.44 | Bushmills | St0n3-C0l: and fix your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:54.56 | heavensrevenge | ok 1 moment |
| 21:54.58 | St0n3-C0l | fix what in it? |
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| 21:55.15 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: and possibly libterm-readkey-perl- as well. |
| 21:55.20 | Bushmills | St0n3-C0l: dns-nameservers |
| 21:55.23 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 21:55.24 | St0n3-C0l | oki |
| 21:55.25 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
| 21:55.28 | St0n3-C0l | will do it |
| 21:55.29 | St0n3-C0l | thanks |
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| 21:56.22 | wd | how do i correct an offending key on my client.. my host key has changed.. i have a new remote host key do i just enter in into my client /user/.ssh/known.hosts? |
| 21:56.29 | heavensrevenge | http://debian.pastebin.com/d15975363 |
| 21:56.46 | heavensrevenge | theses both with and without libterm-readkey-perl- |
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| 21:57.35 | heavensrevenge | but the libterm is wanting the older version of perl |
| 21:57.40 | Bushmills | wd, you'd delete the offending key from client's .ssh/known_hosts |
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| 21:58.23 | wd | Bushmills: there's a paragraph of keys i guess just delete all this? |
| 21:58.46 | Bushmills | when ssh complains, it gives you the line number |
| 21:59.20 | Bushmills | and in fact there is a command to delete it but i forgot. deleting it manually, usually |
| 22:00.18 | wd | Bushmills: ok |
| 22:00.37 | Bushmills | ssh-add -D it might be. not sure, better read about it before just trying, |
| 22:00.46 | Bushmills | or delete manually |
| 22:01.54 | wd | Bushmills: did it manually i'll write command down tho ty |
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| 22:03.02 | testga22 | I apt-get install at, the scheduler, but there is no command called: at |
| 22:03.17 | abrotman | testga22: did you install 'at' ? |
| 22:03.21 | testga22 | abrotman, yes |
| 22:03.38 | testga22 | abrotman, along wih the dependencies... |
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| 22:04.03 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.19 | testga22 | Bushmills: no such ..... |
| 22:04.39 | testga22 | Bushmills: got it to work |
| 22:04.46 | testga22 | didn't workj installing with aptitude somehow |
| 22:04.50 | Bushmills | well, that's your opinion against mine then |
| 22:07.01 | heavensrevenge | hopefully perl's ependancies are fixed soon :) |
| 22:07.25 | Bushmills | heavensrevenge: transition started today |
| 22:07.42 | heavensrevenge | phiew |
| 22:07.51 | Bushmills | today UTC that is |
| 22:08.04 | heavensrevenge | its ok |
| 22:08.25 | heavensrevenge | being done is needed for my system to become d-u'd |
| 22:08.41 | heavensrevenge | darn dependencies on perl |
| 22:09.23 | Bushmills | heavensrevenge: why don't you put all packages which depend on not yet available stuff on hold? |
| 22:09.28 | Bushmills | or better, put all on hold |
| 22:09.45 | Bushmills | and just upgrade selected packages |
| 22:09.59 | heavensrevenge | haha well perl seems to be in transition o nmy system |
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| 22:10.09 | heavensrevenge | sadly not a test system, but im ok for waiting |
| 22:10.24 | heavensrevenge | so far, lol check this out :P |
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| 22:11.05 | streuner | heavensrevenge: we know, we told you already |
| 22:11.39 | kazol_ | After installing KDE, is it recommended that I uninstall GNOME? |
| 22:11.43 | streuner | if you aren't able to read <sid faq> you shouldn't use unstable |
| 22:11.44 | heavensrevenge | http://debian.pastebin.com/d4b00dcb8 |
| 22:11.50 | Bushmills | kazol_, not needed |
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| 22:12.33 | heavensrevenge | a dpkg --configure -a shows some major chaos |
| 22:12.33 | kazol_ | Bushmills: How do I remove it? Just apt-get remove --purge gnome? |
| 22:12.33 | streuner | good |
| 22:12.45 | Bushmills | heavensrevenge: look at debootstrap etch, and chroot |
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| 22:13.22 | heavensrevenge | bootstrap etch? |
| 22:13.45 | Bushmills | kazol_ won't do as it will only refuse because of its dependencies |
| 22:14.06 | kazol_ | Bushmills: How would I uninstall GNOME then? |
| 22:14.14 | Bushmills | kazol_ i suppose it may be easier to delect for deletion using st like dselect |
| 22:14.24 | Bushmills | or aptitude, for that matter |
| 22:14.39 | Bushmills | to *select* for deletetion ... |
| 22:14.46 | Bushmills | grrr |
| 22:14.57 | Bushmills | coffee ... |
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| 22:16.08 | kazol_ | Dammit, I'm getting: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 22:17.46 | Phase | Whats the package name to install java (to run java programs) in stable? |
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| 22:18.05 | streuner | Phase: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 22:22.27 | wd | streuner: ok. my laptop is an old toshiba satellite pro, has a emblem says Pentium processor i'm assuming PI so should i get image 2.6-486 image on x86 or 2.6-686 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 22:23.15 | streuner | !686 |
| 22:23.15 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
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| 22:23.52 | streuner | in doubt just use i386 |
| 22:24.14 | wd | streuner: thank you. this guy used 2.6.8 see bottom http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 22:24.34 | wd | streuner: will this 2.6.18 be too big for me? |
| 22:24.51 | streuner | depends on your /boot |
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| 22:25.10 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 22:25.18 | streuner | what do you mean with "too big"? |
| 22:25.34 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to work out why my locale isn't being set when slim is run on boot |
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| 22:26.17 | humbolto | how can I use the package repository on my cdroms to install stuff? I have used apt-cdrom successfully but apt-get update tells me, that it ignores the cdrom entry. |
| 22:26.29 | man_in_shack | i suppose i could just hack the slim init script to set the locale, but that's not the right way to do it :P |
| 22:26.31 | streuner | ladan: log out and back in as <user>, otherwise you aren't able to speak here |
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| 22:27.00 | streuner | humbolto: why? |
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| 22:27.16 | streuner | humbolto: apt-cdrom add should work |
| 22:27.28 | ladan | hello, is there any utility i could use to recover data from a formated ntfs partition ? |
| 22:27.47 | streuner | restore from backup? |
| 22:27.59 | ladan | it'sa workstation... no back-up |
| 22:28.37 | abrotman | !info mondo etch |
| 22:28.39 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
| 22:28.45 | humbolto | I did that, and the entry seems ok, but I get an Ign cdrom on apt-get update |
| 22:29.03 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.20-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
| 22:29.49 | streuner | humbolto: why not just install from internet? |
| 22:29.51 | abrotman | i'm not even sure if it understand ntfs .. there's also the UBCD for windows |
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| 22:30.11 | man_in_shack | /etc/defaults/locale is set correctly, but where do the LANG and LC_* vars get set? |
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| 22:30.32 | Kevin` | how can I disable the automatic assignment of an ipv6 address? |
| 22:30.52 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, why do you want to? |
| 22:31.03 | humbolto | streuner: just because. |
| 22:31.05 | abrotman | blacklist the ipv6 module ? |
| 22:31.20 | humbolto | streuner: Takes longer. What do I have the CDs for? |
| 22:31.39 | Kevin` | man_in_shack: because ipv6 traffic isn't working for some reason and I don't currently use it for anything |
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| 22:31.53 | Kevin` | I can't blacklist ipv6 to do it because that would require a reboot |
| 22:32.25 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, is having an ipv6 assigned to your eth interface hurting anything? |
| 22:32.27 | Mantaar | Kevin`: can't you just rmmod? |
| 22:32.28 | Kevin` | the problem is my apt mirror has an ipv6 address, so it times out trying to connect to it first (which should really work) |
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| 22:32.34 | nookie | Hi all! |
| 22:32.40 | Kevin` | Mantaar: you can't remove ipv6 |
| 22:32.45 | nookie | How do I connect to my AP, if it doesn't broadcast it's BSSID? |
| 22:32.47 | man_in_shack | sure you can! |
| 22:32.55 | man_in_shack | unless it's compiled in to the kernel |
| 22:33.08 | nookie | I have BSSID, ESSID, WEP Key |
| 22:33.14 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, put the ipv4 for your address in /etc/hosts |
| 22:33.18 | nookie | when I try it with iwconfig wlan0 ap <ap> |
| 22:33.20 | nookie | it dosen't work |
| 22:33.20 | nookie | :( |
| 22:33.23 | man_in_shack | *for your apt server |
| 22:33.49 | man_in_shack | nookie, is it "hidden"? |
| 22:33.53 | Kevin` | man_in_shack: http://pastebin.ca/1007501 |
| 22:34.01 | nookie | man_in_shack, yeah |
| 22:34.03 | Mantaar | Kevin`: well, you'd have to kill every process accessing it. Yeah, that might be a hard task and maybe rebooting would be better :-\ |
| 22:34.05 | Kevin` | man_in_shack: that's icky, but I suppose it would work |
| 22:34.22 | Kevin` | Mantaar: the kernel is using it, you can't kill the kernel |
| 22:34.34 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, of course it would work. then you could find out why ipv6 isn't working and fix it :) |
| 22:34.54 | Kevin` | but, there's another problem from that |
| 22:34.57 | man_in_shack | the *kernel* does not run services that handle network connections |
| 22:35.04 | man_in_shack | well, not servers anyways |
| 22:35.07 | Kevin` | it shouldn't be getting an automatic ipv6 address anyway |
| 22:35.17 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, why not? |
| 22:35.22 | Kevin` | if it's using ipv6 it should be via 6to4, not via the lan |
| 22:35.36 | man_in_shack | that's stupid |
| 22:35.37 | nookie | man_in_shack, any idea? |
| 22:35.42 | Kevin` | no it's not |
| 22:35.54 | man_in_shack | that's like saying "hey, i've got 8GB of ram, but i'll only allow the system to see 2GB of it" |
| 22:36.16 | Kevin` | the automatic address it's getting is routed through another computer on the LAN |
| 22:36.22 | Kevin` | and this computer is directly on the internet |
| 22:36.28 | man_in_shack | that's BAD |
| 22:36.33 | Kevin` | yes, it is |
| 22:36.37 | Kevin` | I don't want it to get one |
| 22:36.42 | man_in_shack | you shouldn't be "directly" on the internet |
| 22:36.42 | wd | streuner: ok. after i apt-get kernel will i have to do any compiling for my wireless or is debian going to do all that for me? |
| 22:36.50 | Kevin` | man_in_shack: why not? |
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| 22:37.04 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, because that leaves you open to all sorts of attacks |
| 22:37.11 | man_in_shack | you should be behind a router |
| 22:37.36 | man_in_shack | nookie, try using essid command even though it's not broadcasting it |
| 22:37.40 | Kevin` | man_in_shack: if I was behind a router I would be forwarding ports for all the services open anyway, and then i'd have to deal with split-horizon crap |
| 22:37.47 | man_in_shack | nookie, assuming the basestation HAS an essid :) |
| 22:38.03 | nookie | okay, I try |
| 22:38.08 | streuner | wd: depends on the chipset, basically you need to read and search |
| 22:38.41 | man_in_shack | Kevin`, well obviously you know a lot more than me about networking and security, with your direct connection and kernel providing ipv6 servers that can't be disabled |
| 22:38.56 | Kevin` | man_in_shack: yeah :D |
| 22:39.37 | Kevin` | it is, of course, behind a router. there's just not anything to filter, btw |
| 22:39.51 | wd | streuner: if on reboot system fails how do i revert back to old kernel, will it besaved somewhere? |
| 22:39.51 | Kevin` | and the router doesn't do nat |
| 22:40.17 | streuner | wd: remote box? |
| 22:40.39 | wd | streuner: i'm ssh into laptop now |
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| 22:41.11 | streuner | wd: depends, grub does that do automatically |
| 22:41.39 | wd | streuner: oh. right i should see old kernel in boot menu huh? |
| 22:41.54 | wd | streuner: good ol' grub. :) |
| 22:41.55 | streuner | wd: in grub, yes. |
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| 22:42.05 | wd | streuner: here i go. |
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| 22:50.06 | Supaplex | how do I match a list of hardware addresses for a class in dhcpd v3? http://rafb.net/p/4YjHZO65.html fails when I uncomment line 3 |
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| 22:54.42 | catsup | Supaplex: are you sure you're allowed multiple match statements? |
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| 22:54.52 | Supaplex | not sure |
| 22:56.00 | catsup | try an 'or' instead of two statements |
| 22:56.02 | Supaplex | http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:UpgX-toIYeYJ:marc.info/%3Fl%3Ddhcp-server%26m%3D102521117221954%26w%3D2+%22match+if+substring%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a |
| 22:56.12 | Supaplex | google fu for the win (finally) |
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| 22:56.34 | catsup | (what's the error?) |
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| 22:57.14 | wd | catsup: installing kernel 2.6..18 now..cross your fingers. :) |
| 22:57.49 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/KaAamO18.html |
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| 22:58.09 | catsup | yeah sounds like you need just one match |
| 23:00.31 | Supaplex | ahh works bettah now. |
| 23:01.29 | Supaplex | eg http://rafb.net/p/l86Ttt11.html |
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| 23:12.10 | wd | streuner: ummm booting into new kernel and it's just sitting at "savedefault"... rats |
| 23:12.15 | wd | catsup: ^^^^ |
| 23:12.34 | wd | catsup: i guess our laptops can't take new kernel. |
| 23:12.37 | wd | :( |
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| 23:13.39 | wd | catsup: you think memory issue, that's why guy in article went with 2.6.8? |
| 23:13.43 | catsup | naw, they can |
| 23:15.57 | wd | catsup: article said he used 2.6.8 from kernel.org... i'm going to assume it's compressed if so how do u install? |
| 23:16.22 | wd | catsup: man it's just sitting... lol |
| 23:16.41 | wd | catsup: i'll try recovery 2.6 see what happens. |
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| 23:17.51 | wd | catsup: hehe.. nope recovery same.. darnit man i MUST use this 2.4.27.. lol |
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| 23:25.06 | yigal | I'm using gnu screen + urxvt + vim and when I use :make output comes from the top of the screen but the text isn't cleared, so it overwrites only the part where there is output, making it difficult to see |
| 23:25.36 | yigal | I thought someone might have delt with this before |
| 23:25.44 | meandrain | Question: i have a router dual core, and most of the time i have 90%-100% cpu load on one core. It helps if i add another CPU ? |
| 23:25.56 | abrotman | dual core is two cpus |
| 23:26.28 | meandrain | yes |
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| 23:26.36 | meandrain | but it not equaly share |
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| 23:27.14 | abrotman | that's because whatever that process is, is not threaded |
| 23:27.15 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 23:27.20 | yigal | sup |
| 23:27.21 | Mantaar | you can't distribute applications written for single threaded processing over two cores... so... depends on *what* your router's loaded with. |
| 23:27.29 | meandrain | this is a router only with iptables..... so is possible somehow to make it run multiple threads? |
| 23:27.53 | abrotman | and your iptables shuldn't be taking 90% of your CPU .. i suspect something else is going on |
| 23:28.02 | Mantaar | meandrain: analyze the output of top -o cpu to see what's eating cpu. it's not iptables. |
| 23:28.04 | meandrain | i have like 2500 rules |
| 23:28.04 | meandrain | <meandrain> :) |
| 23:28.14 | Mantaar | 2500? |
| 23:28.16 | meandrain | yes |
| 23:28.21 | meandrain | for every lan user one rule |
| 23:28.22 | acehigh | ouch |
| 23:28.25 | Mantaar | ... what for? But... even then... |
| 23:28.44 | noisesmith | 2500 users and only one router? |
| 23:28.53 | meandrain | and WAN NIC is on gigabit, with bandwidth of 500 mbps |
| 23:28.57 | meandrain | yes |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | why do you have all those rules ? |
| 23:30.25 | Supaplex | sounds like it's time for another extra router or two :) |
| 23:30.38 | Supaplex | or more optimal rules |
| 23:30.43 | jberg_ | i have two sata disks connected to a sata controller which i want to run raid-1 on, does debian have drivers for most sata controllers and it should work fine on most installations`? |
| 23:30.52 | meandrain | it is possible to get rid of all rules, by using static arp entries on router, and activate lan card to trust only macs from static arp table? |
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| 23:31.14 | meandrain | and allow users to lean router mac |
| 23:31.27 | abrotman | jberg_: mostly |
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| 23:31.36 | meandrain | i did ifconfig eth1 -arp, but then windoze boxes does not learn router's mac |
| 23:31.57 | romano2k | hi everyone! |
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| 23:32.06 | romano2k | how can i check the version of a software in another branch than stable? |
| 23:32.16 | jberg_ | abrotman: ok. do i need to enter some boot paramaters? |
| 23:32.17 | stopher | Afternoon/Evening. How do I check to see if mod_rewrite is enabled in Apache on Debian? Or should I be asking in #apache? |
| 23:32.17 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 23:32.22 | abrotman | jberg_: shouldn't have to |
| 23:32.27 | romano2k | thank you abrotman |
| 23:32.36 | Tramp | meandrain: you were here some days ago and I told you to reorder the rules or use multiple tables. A linear ruleset that size will not only hog the cpu but even thrash the cpu cache. |
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| 23:32.59 | romano2k | hmm, abrotman, since the search is disabled |
| 23:33.05 | romano2k | can i look for a software in the "testing" branch? |
| 23:33.06 | jberg_ | ok thanks |
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| 23:33.10 | Mantaar | stopher: it's morning here. grep mod_rewrite httpd.conf apache2.conf |
| 23:33.12 | Mantaar | or so... |
| 23:33.16 | meandrain | Tramp: i've tried some things (except multiple tables) |
| 23:33.18 | acehigh | anyone know a good how-to on installing nvidia drivers? |
| 23:33.24 | meandrain | if i create multiple tables, how would help? |
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| 23:33.39 | navetz | hey has anyone here got dualscreen working with a intel i810 ? |
| 23:33.48 | meandrain | Tramp: do you know a link with this topic, for me to read? |
| 23:33.56 | abrotman | romano2k: packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 23:33.57 | stopher | Thanks Mantaar., just put that into telnet? |
| 23:34.23 | Mantaar | stopher: telnet? who's using telnet? |
| 23:34.28 | Tramp | meandrain: if /all/ rules are needed /all/ the time, it will not help. but if you can make some intelligent decisions early in the filtering-process, it will help a lot |
| 23:34.42 | stopher | Mantaar: I am. Easier than walking into the other room for terminal |
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| 23:35.07 | acehigh | im getting mixed info on if I should install the nvidia package from nvidia.com or should I install something else |
| 23:35.08 | meandrain | Tramp: all rules are needed, since i do filter for every user from 2500 peoples |
| 23:35.14 | acehigh | anyone have a good idea? |
| 23:35.28 | markybob | acehigh drink lots of beer |
| 23:35.34 | Mantaar | stopher: I'd use ssh still... but OK. grep's a unix command. Just issue it on the command prompt ;-) how you aquire it shouldn't matter. |
| 23:35.45 | acehigh | markybob, why's that |
| 23:35.50 | stopher | okay :) |
| 23:35.54 | markybob | acehigh beer's always a good idea |
| 23:35.55 | meandrain | I only use a ALLOW on outgoing / user, and allow all 3 subnets with 3 rules |
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| 23:36.03 | markybob | acehigh /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:36.03 | acehigh | markybob, hehe |
| 23:36.07 | stopher | mantaar: i have telnet for in building- it's faster, ssh for outside world |
| 23:36.45 | abrotman | faster? |
| 23:36.50 | meandrain | Tramp: it is a smarter way to do that? (for example in bsd there are TABLES, some kind of IP lists, that can be matched with one rule) |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | yes, much faster to steal your credentials |
| 23:37.02 | Mantaar | stopher: yeah. You're right of course. I'm just lazy and afraid to accidentially leave that port open. So I just use telnet. I don't mind the extra overhead since it's rarely loaded anyways. I doubt telnet is *that* much faster. |
| 23:37.17 | acehigh | markybob, that what I was thinking but when i run apt-cache search for the packages they are not there |
| 23:37.18 | Mantaar | *i use ssh, of course.. |
| 23:37.29 | acehigh | markybob, maybe im missing something in sources? |
| 23:37.32 | markybob | acehigh you have to add non-free to sources.lsit |
| 23:37.37 | markybob | sources.list* |
| 23:37.40 | acehigh | ah |
| 23:37.44 | Tramp | meandrain: I don't fully understand. You have 1rule/IP and 1 IP==1user? |
| 23:37.47 | acehigh | thats might be the problem |
| 23:37.58 | stopher | Mantaar: I knew what you meant :D |
| 23:38.12 | jberg_ | the debian installer says no disk drive was detected, is this because it's a sata controller with two sata disks? should i just go on without a disk drive? |
| 23:38.31 | meandrain | Tramp: yes, and this is for outgoing rule / user, the incoming rule allow the whole subnet on incoming |
| 23:38.37 | jberg_ | (i have no idea what disk drive i need) |
| 23:39.12 | wd | streuner: ok. 2.6 kernel didn't boot so i removed and booted 2.4 however i three red *... UDEV req kernel 2.6.15 also /etc/network/options is deprecated also "not starting internet superserver: no services enabled. |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | !tell jberg_ about kmuto |
| 23:39.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. is it posable to use rsync to copy from one host:/filename to localhost/newfilename? |
| 23:39.39 | wd | streuner: how can i take these things off, did new kernel put em on? |
| 23:39.39 | meandrain | Tramp: I must be able to easily block/allow every user, so I allow traffic on incoming for all 3 subnets we have, and then on every user is a rule to allow outgoing on user (IP) and MAC of user |
| 23:39.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont see a way to do this :/ |
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| 23:40.44 | jberg_ | hmm abrotman, doesnt normal debian installer support sata controllers? |
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| 23:40.47 | jberg_ | i want to install lenny btw |
| 23:40.50 | wd | catsup: all bootup messages are logged in dmesg or messages? |
| 23:41.23 | Tramp | meandrain: and are thoses 2500 users online simultanously (i.e. within the same minute)? |
| 23:41.50 | meandrain | Tramp: now but I don;t know how to see which of them are online |
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| 23:42.37 | acehigh | markybob, fubar |
| 23:43.01 | acehigh | markybob, it complains about nvidia-kernel-common but can not install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:43.32 | Tramp | meandrain: this doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure, a little "tree" of tables would help. Maybe three levels |
| 23:43.35 | abrotman | jberg_: it does .. but you haven't told me which controller you have |
| 23:43.55 | markybob | acehigh why? http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:44.03 | meandrain | Tramp: by tables you mean CHAINS ? |
| 23:44.10 | acehigh | sec ill pastebin the error |
| 23:44.13 | Tramp | meandrain: sorry. yes. Chains. |
| 23:44.29 | jberg_ | abrotman: hm ok. ill have to turn of the machine and rip out the card. hang on a few minutes please |
| 23:44.41 | abrotman | jberg_: you don't know what you bought ? |
| 23:44.43 | Tramp | meandrain: do you create these rules dynamically or are they static? |
| 23:44.54 | meandrain | Tramp: static |
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| 23:46.49 | jberg_ | abrotman: promise technology sata 300 tx2 plus |
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| 23:47.30 | abrotman | i'd guess that should work .. but try the kmuto with a .24 kernel |
| 23:47.44 | Tramp | meandrain: so - depending on how your IP range is organized, you would make a first chain which jumps into a second depending on the source-ip (either as a CIDR-notation or maybe with iprange) |
| 23:48.21 | jberg_ | abrotman: but, where can i find out what disk drive i should choose for that sata controller? |
| 23:48.36 | Tramp | meandrain: maybe 10-20 rules in this first chain, each covering about 1/10 to 1/20 of your range |
| 23:48.52 | acehigh | anyone know why I am getting this problem on a nvidia install? http://pastebin.com/m7537a0da |
| 23:49.15 | meandrain | Tramp: this is a good idea, the only problem is that i also have MAC filtering / every of those 2500 rules |
| 23:49.20 | Tramp | meandrain: then 10-20 "second level" chains which subdivide further, and then, in the third level, your real rules |
| 23:49.25 | abrotman | jberg_: drive? that's a hardware question .. not debian |
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| 23:50.10 | Tramp | meandrain: mac-filtering with ebtables or what? |
| 23:50.40 | jberg_ | abrotman: hm well should i just go on without disk drives? |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | you can't do that |
| 23:51.09 | meandrain | something like that: /sbin/iptables -A CLIENTI -i eth1 -o eth2 -m mac --mac-source 00:12:79:CD:9F:20 -s 85.10.10.10 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:51.23 | meandrain | (this is a sample of a rule) |
| 23:51.41 | acehigh | anyone know why I am getting this problem on a nvidia install? http://pastebin.com/m7537a0da |
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| 23:51.57 | meandrain | Tramp: do you thing is possible using your idea to do trees of chains and still use also mac filterin? |
| 23:52.53 | Tramp | meandrain: I don't think this is a problem. This is a rule as you would write it in a third level chain (in my approch). The first two levels simply work on IP (-s) to "direct the filtering" to the correct final chain where then this rule is found (or not found) |
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| 23:53.58 | Tramp | meandrain: i.e. in the first two chain-levels you don't care about the mac-source. You simply make decisions based on the IP-range |
| 23:54.02 | meandrain | Tramp: how many sublevels would be optimal? |
| 23:54.28 | jberg_ | strange, after i took out the sata controller and restarted the installation i got to be partition screen |
| 23:54.40 | jberg_ | it didnt say it didnt find the disk drives? |
| 23:55.09 | pmo | hi, i'd like toask a question what do yuo do of your logs.. do you clean them up, archive them, each time something is logs you check out ? what do you do ? |
| 23:55.11 | Tramp | meandrain: hard to say. I'd suggest three, but maybe even two is enough. With smaller "worker" chains (i.e. three levels) you have greater chances to avoid the cache-thrashing problem. |
| 23:55.50 | testga22 | I need some help using the "at scheduler" |
| 23:56.01 | meandrain | Tramp: thank you |
| 23:56.01 | pmo | testga22, dont use it |
| 23:56.22 | testga22 | I use "at now -q a -f /path/to/script.sh" |
| 23:56.27 | pmo | testga22, if you dont use it, you will not need help, i hope thi s helps |
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| 23:56.30 | testga22 | It doesn't run the script correctly |
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| 23:56.48 | testga22 | pmo, what you mean? |
| 23:56.50 | pmo | testga22, i dont usually use it taht way |
| 23:56.56 | Tramp | meandrain: if you have, let's say a "distribution" chain with 200 entries (200 ranges) and then "worker chains" with 120 entries each, there is still some chance, that you have thousends of rules in the cache at the same time (if one user out of every "worker chain" is active at any given moment) |
| 23:57.05 | navetz | hey has anyone here got dualscreen working with a intel i810 ? |
| 23:57.17 | testga22 | pmo, how do usualy run it? |
| 23:57.17 | pmo | echo "whatever script you want to run" | at hour:minute |
| 23:57.29 | Tramp | meandrain: sorry, it would more be like 20*120 (not 200*120) - got my math wrong. |
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| 23:57.46 | meandrain | i see |
| 23:58.17 | testga22 | pmo, so I just type in ~# echo /home/usr1/script.sh | at now for example? |
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| 23:58.29 | testga22 | with quotes* |
| 23:58.29 | pmo | testga22, yes |
| 23:58.37 | Tramp | meandrain: but cpu-work will go down. now, on average, you have to search 2500/2 rules to find a match (and worst case is, if you don't have a match and run - after 2500 comparisons - in the policy-drop) |
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| 23:58.54 | testga22 | pmo, great I'll try it out |
| 23:59.03 | pmo | testga22, you can try with "ls" first |
| 23:59.24 | Tramp | meandrain: but with 2 levels of chains 20*120, you have 10+60 comparisons average for a match and 20+120 in worst case |
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| 23:59.48 | meandrain | Tramp: this is a smart solution :D |
