| 00:00.07 | Tramp | meandrain: I hope so 8) |
| 00:00.11 | pmo | may i ask if there is any wifi group ? |
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| 00:00.29 | testga22 | pmo, it executes the scheduler, ut the script isn't actually running, like it would by just executing it in the shell |
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| 00:01.00 | pmo | testga22, sounds you have a problem with your script, not with at.. |
| 00:01.07 | cusco | pmo: I archive my logs |
| 00:01.13 | cusco | you can add them to logrotate |
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| 00:01.20 | pmo | cusco, and you never read them ? :) |
| 00:01.20 | Tramp | meandrain: I (re)invented somthing like this once for the company I worked for, where firewall-performance with some thousand rules basically dropped to nothing at some point - exactly the point, where the cache-thrashing started |
| 00:01.27 | cusco | pmo: I do |
| 00:01.36 | testga22 | pmo, yes but does the script need to have certain layout, execept from line breaks? |
| 00:01.40 | jberg_ | hmm, so if i want sata raid, what do i chose in the partition screen? just partition both disk the same or what? |
| 00:01.42 | cusco | pmo: Some I read, Some others I parse to generate stats |
| 00:01.53 | pmo | testga22, echo "/bin/ls" | at now ( will work just fine ) |
| 00:02.24 | cusco | at: command not found |
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| 00:03.12 | pmo | testga22, issues with at.. might be if you use exported varialbe.. not full path for executables to run.. etc.. and also it shoudl work properly outside at.. but then it is your script i can't tell much more.. |
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| 00:03.19 | meandrain | :D Tramp |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:03.21 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:03.23 | ruinevil | greetings |
| 00:03.24 | frank_white | What could cause the backspace key and delete key to no longer work when you hold them down and only work when they are pressed repeatedly in the middle of an xsession? |
| 00:03.28 | ruinevil | i am #800 |
| 00:03.29 | pmo | cusco, you didnt install it ;-) |
| 00:03.50 | pmo | cusco, is part of crontab usually |
| 00:03.58 | cusco | I have crontab |
| 00:04.09 | \amethyst | strange... if I'm in /etc/network or a subdirectory and do 'sudo su', the first key I press that isn't <Enter> causes the shell to exit, as though I had typed 'exit' (it even appears at the prompt) |
| 00:04.13 | testga22 | pmo, the script runs fine outside at... Just 3 lines of code executing ffmpeg, rm and mv, ffmpeg with full path |
| 00:04.18 | pmo | cusco, i am looking ahead exact package |
| 00:04.33 | cusco | dpkg -S /bin/at |
| 00:04.34 | dpkg | Package: /bin/at: Status: install ok installed |
| 00:04.42 | \amethyst | oh, it's not just /etc/network |
| 00:04.44 | cusco | lol |
| 00:04.45 | abrotman | \amethyst: because you're failing the su bit ? |
| 00:04.50 | testga22 | pmo, seems like it doesn't understand the whole line of code... on the first line, ie: /usr/bin/locale/ffmpeg -i et bla bla... |
| 00:04.58 | \amethyst | abrotman: I get a root prompt |
| 00:05.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:05.06 | \amethyst | abrotman: then I press a key and it exits |
| 00:05.13 | pmo | testga22, locale ??? |
| 00:05.14 | \amethyst | abrotman: but if I press enter first it works fine |
| 00:05.23 | testga22 | pmo: local* |
| 00:05.28 | \amethyst | abrotman: it's almost like a readline binding, but that's not it |
| 00:05.49 | pmo | testga22, would be nice to put somehting like #!/usr/bin/sh or similar on first line |
| 00:05.53 | \amethyst | abrotman: hm, it's not just /etc/network |
| 00:05.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: file bugs! |
| 00:06.02 | pmo | testga22, so it will start with the appropriate shell |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | \amethyst: make it RC .. delay lenny! |
| 00:06.07 | \amethyst | abrotman: I'm trying to figure out what the problem is first |
| 00:06.08 | testga22 | pmo, yes I've done that |
| 00:06.15 | testga22 | pmo: sorry to not make that clear |
| 00:06.26 | abrotman | \amethyst: can you strace or something? |
| 00:06.34 | abrotman | or attach to it from another shell with a debugger? |
| 00:06.36 | acehigh | brb |
| 00:07.00 | \amethyst | abrotman: hm, attaching with a debugger is a good idea |
| 00:07.02 | pmo | testga22, i cant tell, is your script.. is not 'at' issue sounds like.. can you make it run properly outside at ? |
| 00:07.09 | \amethyst | abrotman: oddly, it doesn't happen with sudo sh -l |
| 00:07.21 | \amethyst | abrotman: or with just su |
| 00:07.36 | pmo | cusco, what sort of stat do you do ? web stats ? |
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| 00:08.15 | cusco | pmo: yes |
| 00:08.26 | cusco | I also grep from stuff from time to time |
| 00:08.26 | \amethyst | abrotman: um, as soon as I strace -p the shell it exit (and echos 'exit' after the prompt as though I had typed it) |
| 00:08.34 | \amethyst | s/it exit/&s/ |
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| 00:09.08 | abrotman | \amethyst: yeah .. that is odd |
| 00:09.18 | pmo | cusco, i do the same.. but dont feel good with all this. only grabbing from time to time when serious errors shoudl be considerd when they happened;. not well, i'd like to have a look |
| 00:09.42 | testga22 | pmo, yes it works fine outside, just checked again. |
| 00:09.59 | Mantaar | \amethyst: being technically correct in your typo-regexes is taking nerdiness up to a whole new level. |
| 00:10.00 | \amethyst | abrotman: same thing with gdb... as soon as I (c)ontinue from gdb, it dies |
| 00:10.15 | pmo | testga22, ok.. then. you'll have to tell more about the sort of error message you have running it with at :-/ |
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| 00:10.40 | \amethyst | abrotman: it *doesn't* happen if I'm in my home directory |
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| 00:11.19 | abrotman | permissions problem ? |
| 00:11.27 | jberg_ | hm, is the easiest way to just partition one disk now, the when debian is installed i partition the other disk exactly the same and use the mdadm tool to set up the raid? |
| 00:11.34 | jkimball4 | what's the default kernel in lenny at this time? |
| 00:11.35 | jberg_ | s/the/then |
| 00:11.36 | \amethyst | abrotman: permissions look fine... |
| 00:11.46 | markybob | anyone wanna donate me an hd? :P |
| 00:11.48 | cusco | pmo: what's stopping you? |
| 00:12.01 | \amethyst | abrotman: hm... it doesn't happen in /etc, but it does happen in any subdirectory |
| 00:12.10 | testga22 | pmo, is there a way to output into my shell what happens when the script is runned? Ie. outputting to a log file or something? |
| 00:12.18 | Mantaar | markybob: I have a Quantum Bigfoot (1Gig) and an old Maxtor (500 MB) to offer. |
| 00:12.31 | testga22 | when it's executed by the scheduler.. |
| 00:12.41 | \amethyst | abrotman: hm, and not if I sudo from root... which might make debugging a pain |
| 00:12.46 | markybob | Mantaar you should give those to your local museum ;) |
| 00:12.51 | pmo | cusco, i dont know where to start, which tool to use, as i just think about it |
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| 00:13.22 | Mantaar | markybob: a few more years and I'll *host* the local museum. |
| 00:13.25 | pmo | testga22, set -x |
| 00:13.31 | cusco | markybob: I also have a fujitsu 2.11Gigs |
| 00:13.42 | cusco | pmo: grep |
| 00:13.49 | cusco | or zgrep our bzgrep |
| 00:14.08 | pmo | cusco, to grab, not to get the info, at time it happens |
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| 00:14.21 | cusco | tail -f |
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| 00:14.41 | cusco | tail -f /var/log/something|grep ERROR |
| 00:14.58 | cusco | wrap a script that sends a mail while true |
| 00:15.05 | Blue_Mousey | Anyone knows something about tomcat packages being broken |
| 00:15.15 | cusco | but you should just check your logs everyday |
| 00:15.25 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: release? nature of the isssue? checked the BTS? |
| 00:16.26 | Blue_Mousey | Unless the BTS stands for Beautiful Tall S**ts no |
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| 00:17.03 | Blue_Mousey | Well, i tried to apt-get myself tomcat5 and tomcat5.5 |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:17.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 00:17.08 | Blue_Mousey | But neither are working for me |
| 00:17.18 | testga22 | pmo: I got it to work. :-) something about permissions etc. really dumb |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: need more info .. version of debian ? define not working ? |
| 00:17.47 | Blue_Mousey | Debian Etch, tomcat5.5 won't even install and tomcat5 does but doesn't start |
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| 00:19.00 | Blue_Mousey | I forgot the exact command for the version of debian etch itself, however it should be fully up to date with the current state. |
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| 00:19.25 | ruinevil | uname -a~ |
| 00:19.42 | pmo_ | testga22, all linux master started by doing dumb thing and they still do, they just cant admit it ;-) |
| 00:19.45 | Blue_Mousey | 2.6.9-023stab044.11-entnosplit |
| 00:19.58 | abrotman | that's not a debian kernel |
| 00:20.14 | ruinevil | looks like aids to me |
| 00:20.18 | testga22 | pmo_, yes it's a dumb world |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | ruinevil: not funny |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | Blue_Mousey: this is a VPS ? |
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| 00:20.30 | Blue_Mousey | Yeah |
| 00:20.34 | pmo_ | testga22, and big man is bush |
| 00:20.47 | pmo_ | testga22, (dumbest of all) :) |
| 00:20.49 | Blue_Mousey | Want me to blow out at the people who are responsible? |
| 00:20.52 | testga22 | hehe |
| 00:20.55 | jberg_ | gah, why should it be so complicated to install a sata raid :( |
| 00:20.55 | testga22 | pmo_: true |
| 00:21.01 | Blue_Mousey | Cause making tickets is quite easy (Which a helpdesk should never do) |
| 00:21.25 | abrotman | no .. but it's hard to tell if the issue is the debian or the host |
| 00:21.30 | pmo_ | jberg_, do you use raidtools ? |
| 00:21.46 | Blue_Mousey | Can we do anything in little time to figure out the basics of that? |
| 00:21.59 | abrotman | look in the tomcat/catalina logs |
| 00:22.07 | jberg_ | pmo_: no i haven't actually installed debian, i thought i could do it in the installation |
| 00:22.21 | jberg_ | but im stuck at the partition screen with no idea what to do |
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| 00:22.55 | pmo_ | jberg_, you mean that is the hardware tool to deal with raid.. and you mothercard.. |
| 00:23.05 | Blue_Mousey | Al it says is "using bla bla bla" |
| 00:23.14 | Blue_Mousey | i'll pastebin |
| 00:23.44 | Blue_Mousey | http://rafb.net/p/47jp9113.html |
| 00:23.46 | jberg_ | pmo_: hm? |
| 00:24.26 | pmo_ | jberg_, didnt really understaood what you were talking about .. since.. yuo dont have a debian.. where are you.. where this partition tool comes from |
| 00:24.33 | testga22 | pmo_, seems like all .sh files that are not owned by root, are not executed properly... even from root shell. |
| 00:24.38 | testga22 | trough at |
| 00:24.51 | testga22 | isn't that silly. |
| 00:24.51 | jberg_ | pmo_: oh its in the debian installer, where you can partition the disks |
| 00:24.54 | Nyle | hola |
| 00:25.20 | Nyle | whats going on in the world of #debian |
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| 00:25.38 | pmo_ | jberg_, oops.. allritght, long time i ever did anything properly.. i can hardly remember how you set up all this.. on installation process |
| 00:26.00 | pmo_ | testga22, should be some reason.. but i can't guess right now |
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| 00:26.37 | jberg_ | pmo_: should i just install debian on one disk, then do the raid stuff when it's installed? |
| 00:26.46 | pmo_ | testga22, also, you must know, you can be root.. and not real root at the same time |
| 00:27.36 | testga22 | pmo_, im as root as possibly... it's root beer all over down here... |
| 00:28.16 | pmo_ | jberg_, can't tell you, in last 5 or more years, i have behaved badly when it was time to install.. doing my own proper way.. with cp.. (pretty bad) |
| 00:28.40 | pmo_ | testga22, you heard about real user id ? |
| 00:29.02 | cafuego | jberg_: Are the disks empty at the moment? |
| 00:29.04 | testga22 | pmo_: no |
| 00:29.13 | jberg_ | cafuego: yes |
| 00:29.22 | cafuego | jberg_: What kind of raid do you want to run? |
| 00:29.29 | jberg_ | software |
| 00:29.37 | cafuego | Yes, but what level? :-) |
| 00:29.44 | jberg_ | oh, raid 1 |
| 00:29.48 | cafuego | Ok. |
| 00:29.51 | jberg_ | thats mirroring, right= |
| 00:29.52 | jberg_ | ? |
| 00:29.54 | cafuego | yes |
| 00:30.00 | Blue_Mousey | i'll try a reboot abrotman, i have had good experiences with that solution |
| 00:30.00 | jberg_ | ok raid 1 |
| 00:30.19 | cafuego | So what you'll want on each disk is a partition for raid and a partition for swap. |
| 00:30.38 | jberg_ | like, 1 gb swap and the rest for / ? |
| 00:30.40 | Blue_Mousey | cafuego how about a boot partition? |
| 00:30.53 | cafuego | jberg_: What I usually do is a 512Mb swap partition at the end of each disk |
| 00:31.01 | cafuego | Blue_Mousey: Not needed for raid1 |
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| 00:31.15 | Nyle | what is the benefit of a swap partition? |
| 00:31.21 | Blue_Mousey | Nyle, caching |
| 00:31.22 | Nyle | couldn't one use a file instead? |
| 00:31.27 | jberg_ | cafuego: ok. but do you do this in the partition screen in installation? |
| 00:31.28 | cafuego | jberg_: and the start (rest) of each disk for / (well, LVM usually, but still) |
| 00:31.34 | cafuego | Nyle: yes, you could. |
| 00:31.35 | Nyle | !swap |
| 00:31.36 | dpkg | well, swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 00:31.45 | cafuego | Nyle: it'd be shit slow, though. |
| 00:31.49 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:31.54 | Nyle | why is that? |
| 00:32.00 | chairmeleon | hello :) would it be ok if I posted a link to a torrent with my band's latest demo? I know it's a bit off topic, but I'd really appreciate some seeding help and I think many of you might like it. it's...prog rock kinda |
| 00:32.14 | cafuego | jberg_: Yes. First you create the partitions, then you set their type to RAID |
| 00:32.24 | Nyle | cafuego, how come it would be really slow? |
| 00:32.29 | cafuego | jberg_: When that is done, you will have an option to configure RAID. |
| 00:32.35 | jberg_ | cafuego: do i set the raid in installer or after the installer? |
| 00:32.42 | cafuego | Nyle: you'd be seeking in a file through whatever FS driver layer |
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| 00:32.52 | Nyle | cafuego, ah I see |
| 00:33.02 | cafuego | jberg_: in the installer. Create the partition, then set the partition type to raid. |
| 00:33.21 | jberg_ | ah i see. ill try that now. are you sure no boot partition is needed? |
| 00:33.26 | cafuego | Nyle: wheeras with a partition your're accessing a block device directly |
| 00:33.29 | cafuego | jberg_: yes |
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| 00:33.45 | cafuego | jberg_: Though WITH a boot partition you could use LVM on raid. |
| 00:34.07 | cafuego | jberg_: Which I prefer for servers, though not for desktop machines. |
| 00:34.12 | jberg_ | what is LVM? |
| 00:34.33 | Blue_Mousey | Logical Volume Manager |
| 00:34.35 | cafuego | LVM is a way of arbitrarily splitting a partition that can span multiple disks |
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| 00:35.02 | cafuego | The volumes are the partitions, but they're more flexible and cam be changed whilst the system is running. |
| 00:35.11 | jberg_ | ah ok. should i choose logical or primary partitions for /? |
| 00:35.18 | cafuego | jberg_: primary |
| 00:35.28 | cafuego | make the / raid partitions #1 and swap #4 |
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| 00:36.03 | ebw | Hi! How can I install a pcf font? (such that it is available to xfontsel.) |
| 00:36.27 | \amethyst | Blue_Mousey: what JVM do you use? |
| 00:36.51 | jberg_ | cafuego: hm what are those numbers? |
| 00:37.05 | \amethyst | Blue_Mousey: I have previously had tomcat fail to restart after upgrading packages, and usually it's because the java alternatives got reset to gcj instead of sun-java6 |
| 00:37.09 | cafuego | jberg_: a stupid design decision in the x86 archirecture |
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| 00:38.19 | \amethyst | cafuego: DOS and BIOS, not x86 |
| 00:38.34 | cafuego | x86 |
| 00:38.54 | jberg_ | hm i cant create a swap partition.. how do i do it? it gets mounted as /home.. |
| 00:39.20 | markybob | wtf |
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| 00:39.54 | noisesmith | jberg_: it is mounting swap as home... how? |
| 00:40.09 | \amethyst | cafuego: Intel Macs (among others) use a different kind of partition table |
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| 00:40.54 | jberg_ | i just click "create new partition" and then it mounts it as /home |
| 00:41.05 | jberg_ | i never get to choose swap partition |
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| 00:41.38 | jberg_ | are there some settings i dont see? |
| 00:41.43 | biopyte | anybody here, running debian on eeepc? |
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| 00:42.10 | jakeisawake | jberg_, where do you click create new and get it as home? |
| 00:42.16 | jakeisawake | jberg_, using gparted? or installer? |
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| 00:42.37 | jberg_ | in the installer |
| 00:42.51 | jakeisawake | biopyte, i installed ubuntu on eeepc. debian shouldnt be much diff. what are you trying to get to work |
| 00:42.57 | Blue_Mousey | Ok i'm really getting annoyed now |
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| 00:43.08 | jakeisawake | jberg_, there should be an option to select what it is used for in the installer |
| 00:43.10 | Blue_Mousey | The only JSP servlet in my apt-caches is Tomcat and that one isn't working for me... |
| 00:43.26 | Blue_Mousey | bangs his head to the wall, don't you like JSP servlets and crap like that? :( |
| 00:43.36 | jberg_ | ah yes found swap |
| 00:43.38 | jberg_ | thanks |
| 00:44.30 | jberg_ | ok so now i have two / partitions and two swaps, should i click finish and then later i can make them raid 1? |
| 00:44.38 | jakeisawake | two? |
| 00:44.44 | jakeisawake | oh you are doing raid |
| 00:44.48 | jberg_ | yes i have two disks |
| 00:44.59 | biopyte | jakeisawake, i was just curious, because i have never seen a real person with a eee. i'm enthusiastic about getting one. what about you, like it? |
| 00:45.13 | jakeisawake | doesnt the installer have an option for installing to a raid? you should use that |
| 00:45.26 | jakeisawake | biopyte, the eeepc is GREAT |
| 00:45.34 | nvz | I thought I just seen one of those eeepc in the bestbuy ad this week |
| 00:45.35 | jberg_ | jakeisawake: i dont know. i havent seen it yet |
| 00:45.36 | abrotman | jakeisawake: yes it does |
| 00:45.48 | markybob | jberg_ that's what happens when you dont read the install guide |
| 00:45.49 | jakeisawake | everything works. there are websites for installing debian and ubuntu and both work |
| 00:45.49 | markybob | !ig |
| 00:45.49 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 00:45.50 | noisesmith | biopyte: I got to use my mom's for a short while: tiny unusably small keyboard, good batter life, very very portable |
| 00:45.57 | jberg_ | cafuego: still there? do you know where i can select raid? |
| 00:46.19 | jakeisawake | jberg_, i imagine it is in the selection for disk partitioning |
| 00:46.26 | jakeisawake | should ask if you want to do a raid or lvm. |
| 00:46.35 | cafuego | jberg_: making coffee |
| 00:46.39 | biopyte | jakeisawake, noiseesmith, cool. i think this is the perfect machine for me. |
| 00:46.57 | jakeisawake | biopyte, the keyboard is a little small but for travel it is great |
| 00:47.01 | biopyte | what gui are you running? |
| 00:47.04 | jakeisawake | can use external monitor as well no probs |
| 00:47.08 | jberg_ | hm yes. i can select "physical volume for raid" |
| 00:47.10 | cafuego | jberg_: After you've set the partition type to 'Use for RAID' you will have a 'Configire RAID' option in the main partitioning menu. |
| 00:47.17 | jakeisawake | biopyte, what gui? |
| 00:47.21 | biopyte | veeeery nice |
| 00:47.49 | biopyte | well, gnome, xfce, e16 ... |
| 00:47.56 | cafuego | jberg_: That will ask you about the raid type and to select raid volumes to use. |
| 00:48.08 | jakeisawake | well i bought it for my gf so i put ubuntu on it so gnome. . .compiz works great |
| 00:48.12 | jberg_ | cafuego: yep see it. will try. should i set both the / partitions to "physical volumes for raid" or just one? |
| 00:48.14 | jakeisawake | but for me i will be installing xfce |
| 00:48.23 | jakeisawake | there is an eeepc installer out there that is custom for it i think |
| 00:48.24 | cafuego | jberg_: both |
| 00:48.34 | biopyte | yep |
| 00:48.36 | jberg_ | ok and what about swaps? |
| 00:48.47 | cafuego | jberg_: they need to be set to 'Use for Swap' |
| 00:48.53 | jberg_ | ok |
| 00:49.08 | cafuego | jberg_: You won't be RAIDing swap, just using two seperate swap partitions |
| 00:49.23 | jakeisawake | biopyte, i never set up the suspend to ram or to disk but i believe that can be made to work easily. but the boot time is so quick that i figure dnt need it |
| 00:50.08 | jberg_ | hmm, "create multidisk device" "delete multidisc device" "finish" |
| 00:50.16 | jberg_ | i should choose create right? |
| 00:50.17 | cafuego | create |
| 00:50.23 | cafuego | then pick 'raid 1' |
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| 00:50.28 | jberg_ | yes |
| 00:50.29 | cafuego | and select both the raid partitions |
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| 00:50.40 | cafuego | that will create a new device (md0) in the main list. |
| 00:50.40 | biopyte | jakeisawake, i think so, too. besides it works like a complete debian,ubuntu? no restrictions? |
| 00:51.10 | cafuego | Then tell the installer that /dev/md0 is to be used as ext3 (prolly) for / and contionue installing. |
| 00:51.18 | jakeisawake | biopyte, well best is to install it with wired internet connection. then set up the wireless. i used a patched driver for the wireless. it has been a while so you might not need that anymore |
| 00:51.26 | jberg_ | should i have two active devices on my raid? or just one? |
| 00:51.30 | cafuego | two |
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| 00:52.09 | cafuego | if you had just one, the other would be a hot spare, and not actually try to mirror data until the other one failed, at which point it would be too late. |
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| 00:52.22 | biopyte | jakeisawake, i dont mind a little tweaking here and there, as long as it works ... fine. |
| 00:52.26 | jberg_ | ah ;) |
| 00:52.30 | cafuego | You could add a third and make that third one be not active. |
| 00:52.35 | jakeisawake | biopyte, have you read this? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install and this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 00:52.53 | cafuego | So that if a disk failed, the third would take its place and start syncing at that point in tim. |
| 00:52.54 | jakeisawake | biopyte, it works great, i can even connect to my wpa enterprise at work with it |
| 00:52.57 | cafuego | e |
| 00:53.28 | jberg_ | ok so now i have a RAID 1 device #0 749 GB in the partition menu, so things should be alright? |
| 00:53.40 | cafuego | Yup. Use that device as / |
| 00:53.42 | biopyte | yeah, looks pretty straight forward. |
| 00:53.52 | jberg_ | thanks :D |
| 00:54.11 | cafuego | jberg_: Btw, on a disk that huge, you mayw ant to consider LVM after all. |
| 00:54.24 | jberg_ | hmm, why? |
| 00:54.35 | cafuego | jberg_: Allows you to partition it |
| 00:54.45 | jberg_ | i see |
| 00:54.52 | jakeisawake | biopyte, yeah just use lenny installer. might get wireless workin out of the box with 24 kern. are you buying a new 8.9 inch or old 7inch |
| 00:54.54 | jberg_ | should i do it over again with lvm= |
| 00:54.56 | biopyte | anyway, i'll wait for the atom version and the market cooled down a bit |
| 00:54.56 | jberg_ | ? |
| 00:55.00 | cafuego | I probably would, though there's no real reason to |
| 00:55.25 | jberg_ | ok, but should i click on the raid device and use ext3? |
| 00:55.38 | biopyte | yes, lenny is my default anyway. no problem with that. |
| 00:55.44 | cafuego | jberg_: LVM will add some complexity, which you'd need to be happy to manage. Will you just use it for file storage? |
| 00:56.00 | jberg_ | cafuego: yes mostly |
| 00:56.06 | cafuego | jberg_: if you're not going to sue LVM, yes. |
| 00:56.23 | jberg_ | ok so use ext3 then? |
| 00:56.27 | cafuego | yep |
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| 00:56.30 | jberg_ | thank |
| 00:56.46 | Blue_Mousey | I love computers, especially for olympic games |
| 00:57.05 | cafuego | When install is complete you will need to double check some of the ext3 filesystem options on / |
| 00:57.06 | jberg_ | should i set the bootable flag on it? |
| 00:57.15 | jberg_ | how so? |
| 00:57.17 | Blue_Mousey | do you want it to boot? |
| 00:57.25 | jberg_ | probably? |
| 00:57.27 | cafuego | jberg_: Linux cares not for a bootable flag, but if it makes you happy... ;-) |
| 00:57.48 | jberg_ | oh ok i dont care either :) |
| 00:57.57 | Blue_Mousey | cafuego, untill the day one of your harddrives goes dead |
| 00:58.14 | biopyte | jakeisawake, thanks for your impressions. |
| 00:58.18 | cafuego | jberg_: I don't know if Debian ceates ext3 with dir_index and sparse_super options yes, but you WILL want those enbled on a disk that size. |
| 00:58.29 | cafuego | Blue_Mousey: it's a software raid volume |
| 00:58.34 | cafuego | Blue_Mousey: the bios can't read it |
| 00:58.39 | cafuego | Blue_Mousey: So what's the point |
| 00:58.44 | jberg_ | cafuego: hmm ok. what are those and how do i set them later? |
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| 00:59.08 | cafuego | jberg_: You can set them later via the tune2fs command |
| 00:59.15 | jberg_ | ok thanks |
| 00:59.28 | jakeisawake | no prob |
| 00:59.43 | cafuego | jberg_: dir_index causes directories with a large amount of files to not be extremely slow to open and sparse_super keeps less backups of your superblock. |
| 00:59.47 | jberg_ | so now i have a raid device ext3 / , should i finish partition? nothing more to do? |
| 01:00.02 | cafuego | jberg_: you have a raid / ext3 and two swap partitions? |
| 01:00.06 | jberg_ | cafuego: ok i se |
| 01:00.10 | jberg_ | cafuego: yes |
| 01:00.18 | cafuego | jberg_: Continue on then :-) |
| 01:00.24 | jberg_ | cool :) |
| 01:00.53 | cafuego | a superblock backup every 4096 blocks on a 750G disk is a massive waste of space |
| 01:01.42 | jberg_ | ok, will try to fix it with tune2fs |
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| 01:02.03 | cafuego | it's trivially easy, just ask when install is done |
| 01:02.13 | jberg_ | thanks :) |
| 01:02.18 | cafuego | you'll want to tweak reserved space percentage too |
| 01:02.37 | jberg_ | with tune2fs? |
| 01:02.38 | cafuego | Root really doesn't need 38GB reserved |
| 01:02.41 | cafuego | aye |
| 01:02.57 | jberg_ | what should i set it to? |
| 01:03.08 | jberg_ | like 10GB 5GB ? |
| 01:03.12 | cafuego | 1000 blocks or something |
| 01:03.21 | jberg_ | ok |
| 01:03.22 | cafuego | or just turn it off, it's a desktop box after all |
| 01:03.55 | jberg_ | mm |
| 01:04.39 | jberg_ | it should take some time to partition? been stuck on 33% for a few minutes now |
| 01:04.53 | cafuego | yeah, it'll be writing superblocks... takes a while :-) |
| 01:05.01 | jberg_ | yep :) |
| 01:05.08 | cafuego | if you need it to be quicker, use 4.1GB disks |
| 01:05.23 | jberg_ | hehe |
| 01:05.34 | cafuego | You can check progress on tty3 and tty4 |
| 01:05.56 | jberg_ | what do i type then? |
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| 01:06.04 | cafuego | alt-F3 and alt-F4 |
| 01:06.10 | cafuego | alt-F1 to get back to the installer |
| 01:06.15 | syamajala2 | hi |
| 01:06.17 | cafuego | alt-F2 allows you to run a shell |
| 01:06.21 | syamajala2 | i setup debian etch as a domU on a netbsd system with xen |
| 01:06.47 | syamajala2 | i'm trying to figure out how to connect to it with vnc from a remote system |
| 01:06.49 | Blue_Mousey | Fuck tomcat damn |
| 01:06.51 | jberg_ | ah ok |
| 01:06.57 | syamajala2 | my dom0 doesn't have x installed |
| 01:07.02 | cafuego | syamajala2: install and run a vnc server |
| 01:07.16 | syamajala2 | i installed a vnc server in debian |
| 01:07.30 | syamajala2 | and uncommented the vnc stuff in my xen config file |
| 01:07.37 | cafuego | once it's running, connect to port 5900 on the domU's IP |
| 01:07.47 | jberg_ | its unpacking a lot of stuff already |
| 01:07.54 | cafuego | Oh, yopu're running vnc via xend? |
| 01:08.17 | cafuego | just runs it on the domU, not via xen |
| 01:08.22 | syamajala2 | i think its supposed to be |
| 01:08.29 | syamajala2 | i'm not sure if its actually working |
| 01:08.58 | cafuego | syamajala2: vnc would need to be installed on the dom0 i think |
| 01:09.11 | syamajala2 | see my dom0 doesn't have x installed |
| 01:09.15 | cafuego | so? |
| 01:09.28 | cafuego | you would need a vnc server i suppose |
| 01:09.49 | cafuego | syamajala2: Can you check with netstat if it's listening on a port that seems right? |
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| 01:10.53 | syamajala2 | it should be 5900 right |
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| 01:11.27 | syamajala2 | doesn't seem to be there |
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| 01:13.16 | syamajala2 | i guess i could just run it on domU right? |
| 01:14.06 | jberg_ | what sql database do i get if i choose sql-database in installation? postgres? |
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| 01:14.45 | Supaplex | jberg_: well, is mysql really sql? ;) </flamebait> |
| 01:14.54 | rcbarnes | Is there some legal/ethical restriction on OpenSSL that I'm not aware of? I ask because slrn is compiled without support for it, and it seems like a rather glaring omission, especially because slrn's tags include "SSL/TLS." |
| 01:14.57 | jberg_ | so thats a yes? :) |
| 01:15.23 | Supaplex | I'm not really sure. try it and see. it should ask before it continues |
| 01:16.28 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: GPL compatibility probably |
| 01:16.51 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: or, rather, incompatibility |
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| 01:17.03 | syamajala2 | cafuego: how do you run it on domU instead? just start vncserver and connect? |
| 01:17.18 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
| 01:18.21 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: thanks. |
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| 01:30.03 | abrotman | !flw |
| 01:30.03 | dpkg | < busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system? |
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| 01:32.41 | cafuego | syamajala2: yah |
| 01:33.04 | cafuego | bored abrotman? |
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| 01:34.04 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm watching bad tv |
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| 01:35.40 | syamajala2 | cafuego: i'm confused about how it starts xfce though |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | it's magic! |
| 01:36.18 | markybob | abrotman cubs/cardinals game? :P |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | markybob: why bother .. cubs will win |
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| 01:38.21 | syamajala2 | cafuego: i just ran vncserver -geometry 800x600 -depth 24 on the domU |
| 01:38.42 | syamajala2 | but when i try to connect to it from another system it says connection refused |
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| 01:44.36 | syamajala2 | woot |
| 01:44.37 | syamajala2 | it works |
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| 01:44.41 | syamajala2 | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:44.43 | DynV | is there a way I can update to a package without having to download it ? the version that aptituge give me is 1.2 but there's 1.4.1 there http://packages.debian.org/wesnoth but I don't know how to make aptitude see it |
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| 01:46.03 | noisesmith | what do people recommend for a simple program that displays the "menu" system? pdmenu is almost it, but if you close pdmenu, the commands it spawned die too, and I want to be able to use the app as a launcher |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | !tell DynV about bpo |
| 01:48.09 | DynV | abrotman: thanks ! |
| 01:48.27 | abrotman | DynV: make sure you read the instructions at the site |
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| 01:48.39 | ftp3 | is there a way to do a traceroute that displays % of packetloss per hop? |
| 01:48.40 | DynV | abrotman: cool |
| 01:48.51 | amphi | ftp3: mtr perhaps |
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| 01:51.55 | ftp3 | thanks |
| 01:51.58 | ftp3 | that was cool :-) |
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| 01:53.13 | rcbarnes | Is there a single console newsreader that supports SSL in Debian? |
| 01:53.33 | rcbarnes | I cannot for the life of me find one, if there is. |
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| 01:54.29 | cafuego | slrn |
| 01:55.12 | rcbarnes | cafuego: Nope. ssl's compiled out |
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| 01:55.27 | cafuego | So compile it back in |
| 01:55.31 | rcbarnes | External programs / libs: +canlock +inews -ssl -uudeview +iconv |
| 01:55.50 | cafuego | It's not rocket science. |
| 01:55.53 | rcbarnes | cafuego: that would make it not in Debian, if I'm builiding it from source. :-/ |
| 01:56.03 | cafuego | rcbarnes: build it from debian source |
| 01:56.48 | rcbarnes | cafuego: Oh. Wait. That is a better idea than messing with the broken tarball that seems to be on the official site. |
| 01:56.55 | rcbarnes | smacks himself |
| 01:57.05 | ieatcereal | exit |
| 01:57.06 | cafuego | smacks you too. |
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| 01:57.37 | cafuego | apt-get source rlrn, enable ssl on debian/rules, change version in debian/changelog, build |
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| 01:58.26 | cafuego | I wonder if ssl is disabled for the same unfathomable reason tls is not enabled in freeradius |
| 01:59.56 | rcbarnes | cafuego: I actually got this link: |
| 02:00.06 | rcbarnes | http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html |
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| 02:00.21 | rcbarnes | The issue's that openssl is how SLRN gets ssl support |
| 02:00.32 | rcbarnes | and the gnu ssl library's not stable yet for slrn |
| 02:00.33 | cafuego | Mine seems to depend on gnutls |
| 02:00.42 | rcbarnes | cafuego: oh. Strange. |
| 02:00.48 | cafuego | (ubuntu, not debian) |
| 02:00.53 | rcbarnes | cafuego: ah. |
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| 02:01.17 | Supaplex | let's watch utnubu steal it ;) |
| 02:02.06 | cafuego | gets annoyed with the dns slave that refuses to accept updates |
| 02:02.26 | Supaplex | !whip cafuego'd dns slave |
| 02:02.26 | dpkg | whips cafuego'd dns slave with a wet and grimy noodle just because. |
| 02:03.06 | cafuego | two are fine, one just won'y |
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| 02:06.04 | Led_Zeppelin | for lsof, what is the size represented in? |
| 02:06.06 | Led_Zeppelin | kilobytes? |
| 02:07.09 | Supaplex | column 7 appears to be in bytes |
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| 02:07.19 | Supaplex | kio_file 27196 supaplex mem REG 8,2 43368 97237 /lib/libnss_files-2.3.6.so |
| 02:07.24 | Supaplex | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43368 2008-01-21 02:33 /lib/libnss_files-2.3.6.so |
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| 02:09.01 | cafuego | fark |
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| 02:10.24 | `mac` | having issues installing libapache2-mod-security .. any urls can help me? |
| 02:10.37 | elagar | hi.... im having a "segmentation fault" erro running stellariun can somebody help me? |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | does it tell you why? |
| 02:11.08 | Led_Zeppelin | Supaplex, is it kilo? thanks! |
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| 02:12.08 | elagar | only tells segmentation error.. but using strace it is not clear to me.. the error |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:12.48 | elagar | lenny |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | elagar: it doesn't segfault for me .. but it does fail to start |
| 02:13.13 | cafuego | Ok, I seem to have gotten away with that |
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| 02:13.19 | abrotman | stellarium: error while loading shared libraries: libQtOpenGL.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:13.30 | wd | anyone have or know where i can get floppy images with a early 2.6 kernel.. maybe 2.6.9? |
| 02:13.38 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 02:13.38 | dpkg | methinks sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
| 02:14.03 | wd | abrotman: hello. ty but early kernel. |
| 02:14.14 | wd | abrotman: i went there and it's 2.6.18 |
| 02:14.15 | elagar | abrotman: ok.. i installed the libtqOpenGL library.. and it shows them "segmentation error" |
| 02:14.15 | enouf | 2.6.8 |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | wd: sarge isn't .. it's 2.6.8 |
| 02:14.37 | abrotman | elagar: check the BTS |
| 02:15.39 | `mac` | having issues installing libapache2-mod-security .. any urls can help me? E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-security |
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| 02:16.16 | enouf | `mac`: which debian version? i think that module has issues |
| 02:16.26 | `mac` | enouf: thank you, 4.0 |
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| 02:16.45 | Phil4 | wheeee |
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| 02:16.47 | cafuego | it's libapache2-mod-security2 and it's not in Debian |
| 02:16.47 | Supaplex | JoshH_: sup slacker ;) |
| 02:16.49 | cafuego | License changed. |
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| 02:17.10 | `mac` | cafuego: thank you |
| 02:17.14 | `mac` | let me see.. |
| 02:17.54 | `mac` | i looked in the mod folder i sow the file in their but it said its disabling.. |
| 02:17.57 | cafuego | youcnna get a deb from the authors site |
| 02:18.37 | `mac` | mod-security2.load ls /etc/apache2/mods-available |
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| 02:19.59 | elif | I can't remember how to access a wide settings of gnome shortcuts, (not the one from desktop preferences menus), any body knows how ? |
| 02:22.05 | elif | states: the only thing gnome is better than kde is in its less (just a bit a less) memory usages... |
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| 02:22.24 | extor | why does debian proper not have the mod security deb? |
| 02:22.54 | enouf | gotta read the changelog i guess |
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| 02:23.41 | enouf | elif: gconf{2} ? |
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| 02:24.02 | joako | hi, how can i found whats my laptop wireless chipset? thanxs |
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| 02:24.27 | enouf | joako: lspci perhaps |
| 02:25.10 | hedos | Hello. I have just installed Debian, however I don't have any compiler. Is there a package I can install to get all the common compilers and libraries? |
| 02:25.24 | enouf | hedos: install build-essential |
| 02:25.28 | hedos | Thanks enouf. |
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| 02:25.45 | joako | thanks it works |
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| 02:26.00 | elif | enouf: I didn't worked, and besides, gconf was difficult, I didn't use that, it was another thing acessible from the keyboard applet, but when I dist upgraded this option disappeared mysteriously... |
| 02:26.05 | elif | *It |
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| 02:26.22 | enouf | hedos: debian separates building header pkgs with '-dev' appended |
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| 02:26.55 | wd | abrotman: could u send me that link again because i'm using the floppy images and the modules loading says 2.4.27-3. |
| 02:27.11 | enouf | elif: apologies, i don't use gnome - how about #gnome, or #debian-gnome, or irc.gnome.org |
| 02:27.14 | elif | agree with trovalds opnion's about gnome and kde... |
| 02:27.37 | hedos | enouf, what do you mean by "building header pkgs"? |
| 02:27.38 | elif | enouf: thks |
| 02:27.47 | abrotman | wd: what are you trying to do ? |
| 02:27.48 | enouf | wd: well IIRC, the default was 2.4.27, but 2.6.8 is avail |
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| 02:28.21 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 02:28.33 | enouf | hedos: nevermind ;-) try "/msg dpkg grounding" for general info |
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| 02:28.39 | wd | enouf: here is where i got the images.. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 02:28.41 | abrotman | wd: yeah .. sorry .. those were 2.4 |
| 02:28.47 | hedos | enouf, ok, thanks again. |
| 02:29.32 | uzbek | my wdm is broken, it complains about X for my user, but if i choose any other user everything is ok, what might be wrong? |
| 02:29.43 | wd | abrotman: strange because when i use the 2.4 my network works but when i use etch 2.6 i get no network.. (my cdrom on laptop is toatst) |
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| 02:30.35 | abrotman | wd: which network card? |
| 02:30.39 | wd | abrotman: the 2.4 is only 4 floppies, 2.6 5 floppies. |
| 02:30.57 | wd | pcmcia orinico lucent silver 16bit |
| 02:31.32 | abrotman | that should be fine in 2.6 AFAIK |
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| 02:31.41 | enouf | uzbek: start mv'ing (to somewhere safe as backup) specific dotfiles specific to your user until it goes away |
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| 02:32.07 | uzbek | enouf, ok, thanx |
| 02:32.19 | enouf | uzbek: i mean the possible relevant ones,l ike maybe .xinitrc, .xsession, .wdm, or whatever |
| 02:32.33 | uzbek | ok, enouf |
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| 02:34.14 | enouf | uzbek: i meant dotfiles _and__or_ dotdirs ;-) do "/msg dpkg dotfiles" in your irc client for more info about those |
| 02:34.48 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:34.51 | Nyle | !dotfiles |
| 02:34.51 | dpkg | dotfiles is probably http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 02:35.16 | Nyle | dpkg dotfiles is also http://www.dotfiles.com/ |
| 02:35.17 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 02:35.20 | enouf | wd: hrm, can pnputils help with that? |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | you know .. like /msg |
| 02:35.25 | Nyle | that is a handy website |
| 02:35.38 | lkthomas_ | guys, I am using rapidsvn to connect to my SVN server, but I got this error when I use non-english file name: Can't convert string from 'UTF-8' to native encoding |
| 02:35.41 | enouf | !cupcake Nyle |
| 02:35.43 | lkthomas_ | anyone know how to fix it ? |
| 02:35.45 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | apparently the libqt4-gui maintainer is a putz |
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| 02:35.54 | enouf | haha |
| 02:35.54 | Nyle | enouf, hey whats up man |
| 02:35.58 | Nyle | !beer enouf |
| 02:35.58 | dpkg | pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for enouf |
| 02:35.59 | enouf | yoda |
| 02:36.06 | Nyle | enouf, I got a new tattoo |
| 02:36.15 | enouf | no .. |
| 02:36.15 | Nyle | I big black dragon on my leg |
| 02:36.22 | abrotman | Nyle: msg him already .. no one else cares |
| 02:36.25 | enouf | nice - fiery? |
| 02:36.30 | Nyle | nah |
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| 02:36.59 | Nyle | its got red eyes though |
| 02:37.23 | Nyle | in a few weeks my new tat is gonna be this design im doing, i'll upload it too, a crazy debian logo |
| 02:37.27 | Nyle | going on my shoulder |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | Nyle: STOP |
| 02:38.07 | morghanphoenix | okay, trying to install the nvidia binary drivers and it's telling me that gcc is not the same version used to compile the kernel, what's the easiest way to fix this? |
| 02:38.17 | Nyle | morghanphoenix, don't use the nvidia installer |
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| 02:38.19 | morghanphoenix | that's from the script off their page |
| 02:38.22 | Nyle | !tell morghanphoenix -about nvidia |
| 02:38.27 | morghanphoenix | m-a isn't working |
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| 02:38.34 | Nyle | come again? |
| 02:39.11 | morghanphoenix | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed |
| 02:39.14 | Nyle | enouf, could get an nvidia logo hehe |
| 02:39.21 | Nyle | morghanphoenix, what exactly are you doing, the one liner? |
| 02:39.31 | Nyle | morghanphoenix, what have you done so far, and what do you mean by not working? |
| 02:39.38 | morghanphoenix | Blah blah, enable contrib and non-free (both enabled) |
| 02:39.48 | enouf | update? |
| 02:39.52 | morghanphoenix | updated |
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| 02:40.21 | abrotman | morghanphoenix: you're using testing or unstable ? |
| 02:40.26 | morghanphoenix | lenny |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | are the nvidia drivers finally back in testing ? |
| 02:41.25 | strav | he. Small annoyance question: I know sid is considered unstable but is it necessary that once a week, I run an update that leaves my system in some inconsistent state - can't the package be automatically checked for dependency deadlocks and such before being added the the repos? |
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| 02:41.42 | Nyle | strav, you don't have to... |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | strav: if you want a stable system, use stable .. unstable is currently undergoing a few transitions .. like python and perl |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | and a gcc one also |
| 02:42.04 | enouf | strav: use -s ;-) and stop updating/upgrading so often |
| 02:42.28 | morghanphoenix | aside from nvidia everything works great though, quite the improvement over that ubuntu. |
| 02:42.57 | Nyle | morghanphoenix, oh gawd i fsckin hate that buntut crapola |
| 02:43.11 | morghanphoenix | 7.10 was usable, 8.04 is not |
| 02:43.25 | Nyle | all I know is that debian is just quality man |
| 02:43.26 | strav | enouf, yea, I checked for some options (I actually use synaptic with safe upgrade), but I didn't checked over aptitude or else. |
| 02:43.34 | Nyle | you need something that works, gets stable |
| 02:43.43 | morghanphoenix | Use slackware on my desktop, but needed something that dealt better with wifi for the laptop. |
| 02:43.58 | Nyle | morghanphoenix, which nic? |
| 02:44.08 | cafuego | Oh, so *you* are the other slackware user |
| 02:44.18 | Nyle | what me? no |
| 02:44.21 | Nyle | not since like 97 |
| 02:44.23 | morghanphoenix | ipw3945, was having driver problems in slackware. |
| 02:44.24 | Nyle | or something |
| 02:44.38 | Nyle | i have that one in my hp notebook |
| 02:44.39 | morghanphoenix | Mainly due to me having issues recompiling the kernel |
| 02:44.52 | cafuego | bitchslaps nessus and tells it to stop segfaulting |
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| 02:45.33 | morghanphoenix | so, are the nvidia binary drivers not in testing? |
| 02:45.51 | cafuego | has a ipw3945 in an hp notebook too. works just dandy (with ubunto 8.04 no less ;-) |
| 02:46.10 | morghanphoenix | it was m-a a-i nvidia that I ran by the way. |
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| 02:46.26 | morghanphoenix | yeah, works great with fc9 as well |
| 02:46.35 | silencedbear | Would anyone know of software to convert mpg to smv ? |
| 02:46.38 | morghanphoenix | and with debian |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | silencedbear: mencoder? |
| 02:47.36 | noisesmith | ^ emphaticly what abrotman said |
| 02:47.36 | silencedbear | I havent tried any i've looked on google i'll try that one ty :). |
| 02:47.38 | enouf | ffmpeg? |
| 02:47.46 | enouf | dunno what smv is |
| 02:47.47 | cafuego | silencedbear: ffmpeg |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | is smv video or audio ? |
| 02:48.08 | morghanphoenix | course debian is the only distro so far that's given me nvidia problems, though everything else is working great, and it's a really light install since I went minimal and then ran apt-get for everything once I had a command line. |
| 02:48.09 | noisesmith | enouf: I recommend mplayer, since it has all the ffmpeg codecs built in, plus some |
| 02:48.10 | silencedbear | smv is the file the videos need to be for my mp3 player i guess thats what it says. It would be video. |
| 02:48.42 | noisesmith | **make that mencoder, oops |
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| 02:49.07 | enouf | noisesmith: well, i've been using mplayer a while, but had to install ffmpeg separately ... oh, ok |
| 02:49.22 | enouf | noisesmith: i don't do much encoding/decoding though, so |
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| 02:49.49 | morghanphoenix | I like mplayer |
| 02:49.56 | noisesmith | mplayer is the shit |
| 02:50.04 | enouf | silencedbear: some-new-crap-proprietary-format eh? |
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| 02:50.09 | abrotman | what kind of goofy mp3 player uses smv ? |
| 02:50.16 | morghanphoenix | of course, and never a step forwards |
| 02:50.18 | noisesmith | plays everything, and converts it all to any format anything else plays |
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| 02:50.44 | morghanphoenix | usually just more DRM and less functionality. |
| 02:51.00 | enouf | s/usually/always |
| 02:51.01 | rubenCOR | is debian a good desktop operative system or is better to use as a server operative system? |
| 02:51.10 | mcarberry | Having some problems making openchrome. http://paste.debian.net/2215/\ |
| 02:51.14 | morghanphoenix | debian is good for anything. |
| 02:51.20 | mcarberry | *http://paste.debian.net/2215/ |
| 02:51.21 | silencedbear | Yea pretty much it's a phillips. But it may be able to read the vidoe as mpg not sure.. I've looked on ubuntu forums only thing ive found is something about machspeed.com.. and they are using wine to convert it. |
| 02:51.24 | noisesmith | oh: http://www.codu.org/smvconv/ is what you need for smv, it looks like |
| 02:51.26 | morghanphoenix | depends on what you add to it. |
| 02:51.34 | noisesmith | that has prereqs for both mplayer and ffmpeg |
| 02:52.34 | noisesmith | smv is a wrapper for the JPEG format |
| 02:52.36 | noisesmith | roflmao |
| 02:52.42 | enouf | omg |
| 02:52.43 | morghanphoenix | so, what does module assistant look for when installin nvidia that isn't in main contrib non-free or multimedia? |
| 02:53.03 | morghanphoenix | jpeg? |
| 02:53.05 | strav | Nyle: the thing is, there's some point for some users to be willing to use up-to-date applications: sometimes bug free,or they have an essential feature so longed for. Now it should be possible to do so without compromising the whole system. Hence my question: why not a freakin package check before submitting. |
| 02:53.36 | enouf | morghanphoenix: i know there's been a long issue with some major component needed from sid in the past, not sure, if that's still the case |
| 02:53.55 | morghanphoenix | sid is unstable isn't it? |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:54.04 | Coweater | correct |
| 02:54.11 | enouf | morghanphoenix: if you do need something from sid, you do a simple sid backport |
| 02:54.13 | noisesmith | yeah, so it is some proprietary version of mjpeg... none of that fancy difference key encoding here! the bonus I guess it is easy to extract frames and fix corrupted videos, but the sizes of the files are gonna suck ass |
| 02:54.16 | morghanphoenix | That also apply to lenny? I'm not inn sid |
| 02:54.53 | rubenCOR | when will be available in the Lenny's repository? |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | will what ? |
| 02:55.03 | rubenCOR | when will be KDE4 available in the Lenny's repository? |
| 02:55.11 | strav | Call sid what you wish, but the situation was kinda different before etch eh? |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | is it in unstable yet? |
| 02:55.18 | morghanphoenix | kde4 is a monster. |
| 02:55.33 | morghanphoenix | was using it for a while, chews through system resources like windows. |
| 02:55.36 | rubenCOR | abrotman: I don't know |
| 02:55.51 | enouf | morghanphoenix: that 'ssb' procedure would only pull in the necessary components (and keep you almost exclusively still at lenny/testing) -- but again, i don't mess with the 3D drivers and haven't, i'm just spewing some past info |
| 02:55.56 | rubenCOR | morghanphoenix: why? |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | rubenCOR: it won't be in lenny until after it's in unstable .. ask #debian-kde to see if they know more |
| 02:56.17 | morghanphoenix | why what? |
| 02:56.47 | silencedbear | Whoever said about mencoder they still here ? |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | some people said mencoder .. some said ffmpeg |
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| 02:57.22 | rubenCOR | morghanphoenix: why do you say KDE4 is a monster |
| 02:57.36 | rubenCOR | abrotman: thanks! |
| 02:57.46 | noisesmith | silencedbear: that url I posted before is what you need |
| 02:57.56 | morghanphoenix | uses more memory, cpu etc. |
| 02:58.09 | noisesmith | silencedbear it uses both mencoder and ffmpeg |
| 02:58.10 | morghanphoenix | can't immagine running tit with compiz-fusion |
| 02:58.31 | rubenCOR | morghanphoenix: it's a bad thinks |
| 02:58.35 | strav | Now can anyone tell me what unstable mean in our current matter? Ubuntu mostly has the same packages we can find in sid, in no better state and it does not label itself: unstable. Most of my applications on sid work flawlessly. So beside of this package mess, what's unstable about unstable? |
| 02:59.06 | noisesmith | strav: less stable then the current stable, of course |
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| 02:59.40 | stew | strav: it changes daily |
| 03:00.01 | strav | while on stable that's a question of years right? |
| 03:00.15 | stew | strav: what is the question? |
| 03:00.38 | morghanphoenix | heh, ubuntu is unstable |
| 03:00.58 | morghanphoenix | I had to hard reboot out of ubuntu, even ctrl+alt+F1 didn't get me tty1 |
| 03:01.00 | noisesmith | strav: only bugfixes get into stable, never version changes |
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| 03:01.51 | strav | noisesmith, that's the point. |
| 03:01.59 | stew | sometimes there are version changes, in order to fix bugs |
| 03:02.27 | morghanphoenix | wee, go apt go! |
| 03:02.50 | strav | noisesmith, stable has good reason the work this way. Now there is no intermediate step between having a steady as a rock environnement and something that gets your open-office removed the day you need it. |
| 03:02.52 | morghanphoenix | Bah, bored, tired and connected to IRC, bad combination. |
| 03:02.56 | wd | abrotman: is there a memory req for the 2.6 floppy images? |
| 03:03.33 | stew | wd: "/msg dpkg ig" and read the section on 'hardware requirements' |
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| 03:04.25 | enouf | stew: i think he's using sarge 2.6.8 floppy images - from earlier, has issues with a 16bit pcmcia card |
| 03:04.56 | stew | wd: sarge floppies would need 32 mb of memory |
| 03:05.42 | enouf | and IIRC, Etch requires atleast 48MB or ram |
| 03:05.48 | enouf | s/or/of |
| 03:06.23 | catsup | what? |
| 03:06.26 | catsup | why? |
| 03:06.29 | enouf | who? |
| 03:06.39 | catsup | pft |
| 03:06.45 | enouf | pffle |
| 03:07.01 | catsup | where? do you get off. i've had enouf of your lip |
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| 03:07.10 | morghanphoenix | how easy is it to recompile the kernel with the new version of gcc so the nvidia installer will work since module assistant isn't? |
| 03:07.22 | uzbek | enouf, thanx, it did the job :) |
| 03:07.39 | nevyn | morghanphoenix: have you installed build-essential? |
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| 03:07.43 | enouf | uzbek: np |
| 03:07.48 | uzbek | how can i add a user to video and audio group? |
| 03:08.07 | morghanphoenix | Aye, it has GCC 4.2, 4.1 was used to compile the kernel so compiling kmods isn't flying. |
| 03:08.07 | stew | uzbek: adduser username audio ; adduser username video |
| 03:08.11 | enouf | a few ways, gpasswd -a user group is one way |
| 03:08.21 | stew | morghanphoenix: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 03:08.25 | morghanphoenix | tried reverting to gcc 4.1 but then it told me I didn't have gcc at all |
| 03:08.32 | uzbek | stew, enouf thanx |
| 03:08.55 | morghanphoenix | what's that stew? |
| 03:09.14 | stew | morghanphoenix: that's how you would tell it to compile with gcc-4.1 so that hte modules would match your kernel |
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| 03:09.45 | enouf | uzbek: you must logout your user entirely and log back in for it to take affect, unless you use newgrp, which i guess you shouldn't ;-) |
| 03:09.47 | morghanphoenix | ah, does that work with scripts like the nvidia installer that I'm trying to use? |
| 03:10.12 | stew | morghanphoenix: i don't know anything about the nvidia installer, but i'd expect it to |
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| 03:10.30 | catsup | don't use the nvidia installer |
| 03:10.31 | morghanphoenix | becasue I have to remove 4.2 to install 4.1 as far as I can tell |
| 03:10.33 | catsup | use the nvidia packages |
| 03:10.49 | uzbek | enouf, yeah, you're right :) i tried several times to open a video file, but apparently adding to group didn't take effect |
| 03:10.49 | morghanphoenix | m-a isn't working, there an apt-get way to do it? |
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| 03:11.13 | stew | morghanphoenix: you don't have to remove 4.2 to install 4.1 |
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| 03:11.32 | catsup | i think there are nvidia source packages in non-free |
| 03:11.40 | catsup | i guess m-a should work if you have non-free |
| 03:11.46 | morghanphoenix | all I find online for debian nvidia drivers is module assistant, nothing like the upuntu apt-get install nvidia'glx-new |
| 03:11.52 | catsup | but i don't know for a fact, i haven't dealt with nvidia in a while |
| 03:11.54 | enouf | morghanphoenix: you should perhaps rehash your situation to these guys that came later |
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| 03:12.48 | morghanphoenix | Umm, m-a tells me I need to enable contrib and non-free (which are enabled) nvidia installer says I need to have the same version of GCC that wa used to compile the kernel. |
| 03:12.50 | cafuego | morghanphoenix: the nvidia-glx packages should be in non-free |
| 03:12.54 | Akuw | when install debian, it install exim4 ? but i don't choose mail server |
| 03:12.54 | cafuego | !info nvidia-glx |
| 03:12.56 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 169.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6155 kB, Installed size: 17592 kB |
| 03:13.08 | cafuego | ... and they are. |
| 03:13.24 | wd | enouf: ok. i see testing floppies are 2.6.22 i smell error coming.. where can i find the "2.6.8" |
| 03:13.43 | cafuego | wd: sarge |
| 03:13.45 | stew | morghanphoenix: aptitude install gcc-4.1 |
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| 03:14.02 | enouf | wd: i'm not sure, i thought you found them earlier - maybe snapshot.debian.net ? |
| 03:14.04 | wd | cafuego: i went there also |
| 03:14.09 | morghanphoenix | nvidia-cg-toolkit, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig are the only packages I get rom a search for nvidia |
| 03:14.14 | catsup | morghanphoenix: did you aptitude update ? |
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| 03:14.40 | cafuego | wd: ...and? |
| 03:14.48 | wd | cafuego: i went here..http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 03:14.52 | morghanphoenix | Aye, several times, and I'm using multimedia which I added after contrib and non-free |
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| 03:15.01 | wd | cafuego:this is sarge right? |
| 03:15.09 | cafuego | Oh I see, no 2.6 floppies in there |
| 03:15.39 | catsup | morghanphoenix: um |
| 03:15.41 | morghanphoenix | aptitude install gcc-4.1 no packages will be installed |
| 03:15.53 | stew | morghanphoenix: is it already installed? |
| 03:16.09 | cafuego | isn't that just teh suck then |
| 03:16.51 | morghanphoenix | the gcc directory has 4.2 4.2.1 4.2.2 4.2.3 in it |
| 03:17.45 | morghanphoenix | that's what I get from locate gcc, not sure if there is another way to find it |
| 03:18.14 | cafuego | !info gcc-4.1 etch |
| 03:18.23 | enouf | ls -l /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 03:18.37 | dpkg | gcc-4.1: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.1.1-21 (etch), Packaged size: 450 kB, Installed size: 1292 kB |
| 03:18.38 | enouf | don't paste into the channel |
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| 03:18.55 | morghanphoenix | gcc 4.1 & 4.2 |
| 03:19.59 | enouf | so, 4.1 is installed, use the export CC= like stew showed you earlier, if that's what |
| 03:20.01 | enouf | s needed |
| 03:20.02 | morghanphoenix | so how do I run the nvidia installer script with gcc 4.1? is the export thing you said earlier appended to the script when I sh NVIDIA(blah)? |
| 03:20.20 | enouf | ugh, nvidia.com crap? |
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| 03:20.36 | morghanphoenix | yup, ma isn't working and I see no nvidia-glx in the repos |
| 03:20.38 | enouf | see #nvidia then |
| 03:21.01 | enouf | morghanphoenix: "/msg dpkg ssb" as i noted earlier |
| 03:22.34 | `mac` | anyone know where i can download new version ov clamav_0.90.1dfsg-3etch11_amd64.deb |
| 03:23.02 | cafuego | !info clamav etch |
| 03:23.04 | dpkg | clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.90.1dfsg-3etch9 (etch), Packaged size: 835 kB, Installed size: 1260 kB |
| 03:23.48 | cafuego | `mac`: offhand, "not". |
| 03:24.09 | `mac` | thank you cafuego, for this and for this exellent support |
| 03:24.23 | cafuego | And yes, I'm aware it's crap and yes, I use a lenny backport of 0.92 |
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| 03:24.48 | morghanphoenix | okay, updating sid sources, going for the backport thing. thanks and I'm crossing my fingers |
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| 03:25.17 | enouf | ok |
| 03:25.49 | `mac` | cafuego: sorry to take your time, could you please tell me how i can provent this flood, on my ssh got fail2ban installed also using iptables.. let me show you the log.. |
| 03:26.24 | `mac` | http://pastebin.com/m7a5b8ec7 |
| 03:26.25 | enouf | !info denyhosts |
| 03:26.27 | dpkg | denyhosts: (an utility to help sys admins thwart ssh crackers), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 03:27.24 | `mac` | sounds good, let me see on install |
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| 03:27.48 | enouf | nice faq on homepage too `mac` |
| 03:28.41 | noisesmith | what package should I reportbug for that my X11 cursors are all broken? |
| 03:28.54 | noisesmith | is that a font thing? |
| 03:28.58 | `mac` | thank you enouf: |
| 03:29.04 | noisesmith | an xorg thing? |
| 03:29.08 | catsup | noisesmith: that's some crazy shit yo |
| 03:29.51 | noisesmith | the left half of the cursors are on the right half, and visa versa: not backward but shuffled |
| 03:29.53 | `mac` | the ip was already in the hosts.deny |
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| 03:30.09 | noisesmith | I am using ppc, it could be an endian issue |
| 03:31.02 | noisesmith | it includes the generic "X" cursor when you don't start X with a wm, so I think it might be xserver-xorg |
| 03:31.53 | catsup | is it the generic X cursor that's reversed? yeah, it's xorg that's the problem, probably; it has to be, unless you're giving it bad input |
| 03:31.59 | morghanphoenix | wow, look at it go |
| 03:32.13 | morghanphoenix | that's a lot of output compiling a backport :) |
| 03:32.13 | catsup | what happens when you set a new cursor with xsetroot ? |
| 03:34.31 | noisesmith | catsup: haven't tried it, but all the cursors normal used (up-left, hair, busy, hand, etc.) do it |
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| 03:35.28 | noisesmith | yeah, the xsetroot ones are broken too |
| 03:35.30 | catsup | noisesmith: this is repeatable? |
| 03:36.52 | noisesmith | every time I boot :) |
| 03:37.04 | noisesmith | every time I restart the x server |
| 03:37.05 | enouf | `mac`: http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html and http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts .. for iptables rules only, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 03:37.24 | catsup | noisesmith: well, you can fix it with Option SWCursor 1 |
| 03:37.40 | catsup | noisesmith: apparently the problem is Xorg's radeon driver. see http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-686018-highlight-.html |
| 03:37.51 | noisesmith | I am not using radeon |
| 03:37.55 | catsup | oh |
| 03:37.58 | noisesmith | this is a ppc with an ati card |
| 03:38.09 | catsup | oh very interesting |
| 03:38.34 | catsup | still i'm sure the software cursor won't do that |
| 03:38.43 | noisesmith | that is why I think it may be a endian issue? |
| 03:38.53 | catsup | well |
| 03:39.13 | noisesmith | it is kind of amusing, I am getting used to it :) |
| 03:39.15 | morghanphoenix | nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.12 however: Package (blah) is not installed. |
| 03:39.21 | noisesmith | the X looks like a diamond |
| 03:39.31 | enouf | noisesmith: tried update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme ? (or similar) |
| 03:39.33 | morghanphoenix | isn't that part of nvidia kernel source? |
| 03:39.38 | `mac` | finish editing the file, thank you guys.. |
| 03:39.45 | black_13 | catsup i am trying to using a different console |
| 03:39.54 | catsup | it looks like xorg-ppc's hw accelerated pointer... wrong-endianness wouldn't create that problem unless it was a very unusual file formta, and it's not, it's a bitmap |
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| 03:40.01 | noisesmith | enouf: this is the standard built in cursors |
| 03:40.07 | deadcat_ | what the f is this: Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
| 03:40.12 | catsup | (but maybe it's not the fileformat, but something else, endian-switched; but stlil seems odd) |
| 03:40.14 | deadcat_ | using sid |
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| 03:40.52 | catsup | hm, this guy says 'The cursors pointers from xcursor-themes look fine,' |
| 03:40.55 | noisesmith | catsup: I really think it is a software thing |
| 03:41.06 | noisesmith | catsup: ok, I will try that as a workaround |
| 03:41.51 | catsup | yeah it is software |
| 03:42.00 | catsup | i meant the he acceleration code |
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| 03:42.28 | morghanphoenix | ah, with sid src enabled m-a is doing something now. |
| 03:43.03 | morghanphoenix | I assume it's a manual xorg.config edit now, or does ma do it for you? |
| 03:43.05 | noisesmith | catsup: using the framebuffer driver, and with the xcursor themes installed the display is the same-- or do I need to tell windowmaker to use the xcursor themes somehow? |
| 03:43.23 | enouf | morghanphoenix: drxx as usual, would be my guess |
| 03:43.38 | catsup | noisesmith: no, xcursor themes won't fix the problem |
| 03:43.38 | morghanphoenix | drxx? |
| 03:43.49 | catsup | noisesmith: using software cursor should |
| 03:43.51 | enouf | !drxx |
| 03:43.51 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 03:43.54 | noisesmith | I have dri and glx turned off, and using fbdev |
| 03:43.55 | morghanphoenix | ah |
| 03:44.01 | deadcat_ | what can i do about this? Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
| 03:44.19 | catsup | noisesmith: the xcursor themes don't replace all the x cursors, but the ones that it does replace--according to this guy--should be fixed |
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| 03:44.29 | enouf | deadcat_: google? |
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| 03:44.50 | enouf | deadcat_: check the BTS ? |
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| 03:46.41 | catsup | i guess the hw cursor code must be copying the image into the video card in the wrong way |
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| 03:46.52 | noisesmith | yeah, must be |
| 03:47.09 | catsup | maybe because the video card demands something different, maybe for endian reasons |
| 03:47.20 | wd | enouf: see, again i have problems with 2.6.22 kernel floppy installer testing...network isn't detecting even after choosine orinoco_cs lucent pcmcia drivers but if i use stabel 2.4.27 kernel it get's loaded. |
| 03:47.37 | catsup | noisesmith: you might want to try a more recent xorg just to see if it works |
| 03:47.37 | noisesmith | so where is the hwcursor option in xorg.conf? man xorg.conf is not finding it |
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| 03:47.46 | noisesmith | running sid |
| 03:47.58 | noisesmith | or do you mean from source upstream? |
| 03:48.09 | catsup | yeah |
| 03:48.15 | catsup | orveldv_: an older version |
| 03:48.18 | catsup | erm |
| 03:48.25 | catsup | *or* an older version |
| 03:48.52 | noisesmith | ok, I could give a shit about inside out cursors, I wanted to make sure the developers knew the package was broken mostly |
| 03:48.53 | catsup | Option "SWCursor" "1" |
| 03:48.57 | noisesmith | cool |
| 03:49.30 | noisesmith | catsup: waht section is that? |
| 03:49.38 | catsup | yeah, if you find a working version tho, then you've practically fixed the problem for them |
| 03:49.43 | catsup | Device |
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| 03:50.55 | noisesmith | ok SWCursor "1" is indeed the magic sauce |
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| 03:51.01 | davidc007__ | i have 3 nic ports on my server, eth0 is configured properly, i dont see the other two how do I see and configure them? assume they are eth1 and eth2? |
| 03:51.11 | jberg | hey cafuego, thanks for everything. works great :) |
| 03:51.16 | enouf | wd: dang, i really don't know man , sorry - anything helpful at wiki.debian.org ? and you can switch to alt-f4 in the regular installer and see messages, and use alt-f2 to modprobe <module-name> if needed i guess - oh .. no CD drive, right? |
| 03:51.17 | noisesmith | so is this a bug against xserver-xorg then? or the fbdev driver? |
| 03:51.28 | wd | is there a lower 2.6 kernel available for debian installed by floppy testing floppies 2.6.22 aren't detecting my network even after choosing drivers. |
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| 03:51.45 | jberg | except, i fell asleep right after i logged in, and when i woke up the computer was off? is there any reason for that? |
| 03:51.49 | catsup | noisesmith: found someone else with the problem. no it's not the fbdev driver, it does the same thing with other drivers |
| 03:52.07 | catsup | this other guy is using freebsd/ppc |
| 03:52.10 | noisesmith | catsup: so it is xserver-xorg? |
| 03:52.13 | wd | enouf: i see |
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| 03:52.55 | noisesmith | I will miss my hand cursor sliced in half and pointing at his own palm :) |
| 03:52.56 | catsup | this from dec. 2007 |
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| 03:53.00 | catsup | noisesmith: yeah |
| 03:53.09 | catsup | hold on |
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| 03:53.15 | jberg | when i do apt-cache search firefox i get firefox - transition for iceweasel rename, what does that mean? |
| 03:53.37 | noisesmith | jberg: it means if you ask for firefox, you get iceweasel |
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| 03:53.43 | enouf | wd: perhaps you can use 2.4 and then upgrade to etch? again., not sure |
| 03:53.56 | catsup | noisesmith: what's your xorg version? |
| 03:54.08 | jberg | noisesmith: ookay, why? |
| 03:54.27 | markybob | !tell jberg about iceweasel |
| 03:55.21 | catsup | coz it turns out, the firefox is not a fox at all, but a panda bear |
| 03:55.38 | wd | enouf: i did that and etch worked with 2.4 kernel also, but some apps need 2.6 plus i wanted a new kernel. darn. why doesn't the kernel on these floppy detect? |
| 03:55.41 | catsup | at least with iceweasel, you get the rodent you expect |
| 03:55.48 | jberg | hm strange. but is iceweasel as good as firefox? |
| 03:56.09 | markybob | jberg exact same thing, just branding/trademark stuff replaced |
| 03:56.14 | catsup | jberg: it can certainly squeeze through smaller openings |
| 03:56.20 | jberg | ok cool |
| 03:56.29 | wd | enouf: i'm at alt f2 busybox.. to load driver this way what's command modprobe orinico_cs? |
| 03:56.38 | enouf | wd: yep |
| 03:56.49 | davidc007__ | how do i identify all hardware nics on my server? |
| 03:56.58 | enouf | wd: well 2.4 might use insmod |
| 03:57.00 | catsup | davidc007__: lspci |
| 03:57.07 | davidc007__ | tx |
| 03:57.18 | jberg | aptitude install firefox gave me dependencies it couldnt fix.. |
| 03:57.21 | wd | enouf: yea this is 2.6.22 |
| 03:57.41 | jberg | does anyone know how can i install iceweasel fix dependencies? |
| 03:57.41 | enouf | wd: but insmod doesn't resolve and pull in dependent modules like modprobe does - oh ,. ok |
| 03:58.03 | jakeisawake | davidc007, just hardware on pci bus? if so lspci or you can install lshw |
| 03:58.34 | jakeisawake | jberg, apt-get install iceweasel |
| 03:58.38 | markybob | or you just dont see it because you're doing ifconfig instead of ifconfig -a |
| 03:58.44 | catsup | jberg: apt-get update first |
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| 03:58.50 | jberg | ah |
| 03:59.10 | jberg | should i be using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:59.17 | catsup | whater you like |
| 03:59.43 | jberg | theres no difference? |
| 03:59.45 | enouf | wd: you don't need yenta_socket? |
| 03:59.48 | catsup | there is |
| 04:00.08 | jberg | so is on "better" than the other? |
| 04:00.16 | jberg | ive heard aptitude is the preferred |
| 04:00.23 | jakeisawake | catsup, i heard you shouldnt use both, this true? |
| 04:00.24 | catsup | values are relative |
| 04:00.26 | markybob | !tell jberg about why aptitude |
| 04:00.30 | enouf | !why aptitude |
| 04:00.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 04:00.38 | enouf | oh .. late again :-P |
| 04:00.50 | jberg | thanks |
| 04:00.52 | catsup | jakeisawake: aptitude doesn't like it when you use apt-get, apt-get doesn't care. |
| 04:01.02 | enouf | (still uses apt-get though) |
| 04:01.48 | jberg | btw, whats the best terminal/console? preferably one where i can click links which opens in iceweasel |
| 04:01.55 | catsup | me too. aptitude wants to remove libraries it thinks i'm not using so i'm like fuck it even though i could configure it not to do that |
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| 04:03.40 | jberg | no one has a favorite console/terminal? |
| 04:04.02 | jberg | oh and one last thing, how can i make iceweasel a desktop icon? |
| 04:04.05 | jakeisawake | jberg, xfce terminal is nice |
| 04:04.08 | catsup | i've got a couple vt220s |
| 04:04.16 | catsup | it's my favorite |
| 04:04.18 | jakeisawake | xterm is nice |
| 04:04.22 | catsup | no firefox though |
| 04:04.23 | jakeisawake | lol |
| 04:04.57 | wd | enouf: how is it that i can see kernel drivers in directory but modprobe gives me fatal error's "FATAL: Module orinoco.ko not found |
| 04:05.01 | catsup | xterm is not a terminal, but a software emulation of one, which is lame |
| 04:05.15 | catsup | can you plug xterm into a serial port? no. |
| 04:05.30 | jakeisawake | lol |
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| 04:06.14 | waldschatten | well I think that did it, how do I check for 3d acceleration again, been a long time since I did this. |
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| 04:07.09 | wd | enouf: ok. modprobe -l | grep pcmcia gave me /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia.ko but modprbe pcmcia.ko not found. |
| 04:07.09 | enouf | wd: hrm, .. |
| 04:07.29 | jakeisawake | vt220s eh, wow go 1980's .. . is there anything more modern out there |
| 04:07.31 | catsup | you don't need the .ko, and maybe you can't specify the .ko |
| 04:07.32 | enouf | wd: feed modprobe the full path |
| 04:07.37 | noisesmith | wd: what about "modprobe pcmcia" |
| 04:07.37 | wd | enouf: crap |
| 04:07.48 | enouf | wd: er, yeah, no .ko ;-) |
| 04:08.23 | jakeisawake | wonder if i can turn my trs-80 model 100 portable into a terminal |
| 04:08.35 | wd | noisesmith: fatal erro..unknown symbol in modules or unknown paramete |
| 04:08.45 | wd | enouf: doing path |
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| 04:08.54 | noisesmith | jakeisawake: I have one, and it works - but no curses, it is a dumb terminal |
| 04:08.55 | jberg | but how can i make things get on my desktop? |
| 04:09.13 | noisesmith | jakeisawake: so that means ed or same instead of vi or emacs |
| 04:09.16 | noisesmith | *sam |
| 04:09.18 | jakeisawake | noisesmith, was it tough to configure? or should i just sell it on ebay lol |
| 04:09.18 | catsup | jakeisawake: ya. http://www.linutop.com/linutop2/index.en.html |
| 04:09.39 | jakeisawake | oh catsup those look nice |
| 04:09.51 | markybob | jberg you need to be more specific. |
| 04:09.58 | catsup | jakeisawake: actually these are pretty cool too: http://www.chumby.com/ |
| 04:10.15 | catsup | the chumby doesn't run X for its gui, but adobe flash on the fb |
| 04:10.23 | jberg | markybob: say i want iceweasel on my desktop so i can open it easy |
| 04:10.30 | markybob | jberg gnome? kde? xfce? |
| 04:10.33 | noisesmith | jakeisawake: add a line on your /etc/inittab to run login on the serial port, and set the serial port for the parameters for the trs80 100, the trs80 is great, days of continuous battery life, indestructable... |
| 04:10.35 | jberg | gnoome |
| 04:10.46 | markybob | jberg right-click on the menu icon of it and click on "add launcher to desktop" |
| 04:10.56 | jberg | ok |
| 04:11.03 | noisesmith | jberg: navigate to /usr/bin in the file browser, drag the iceweasel icon to the desktop |
| 04:11.12 | jakeisawake | nice |
| 04:11.16 | wd | enouf: nope both ways .ko and just pcmcia using path..error |
| 04:11.17 | noisesmith | or what markybob said :) |
| 04:11.33 | jakeisawake | noisesmith, i will have to give it a shot |
| 04:11.49 | jberg | btw, its annyoing that the default file browser opens new windows every time i enter a directory, but i didnt find anything in the preferences to turn it off, is it possible? |
| 04:11.50 | jakeisawake | chumby.com didnt work |
| 04:12.02 | jakeisawake | catsup, that link right? |
| 04:12.10 | catsup | ya |
| 04:12.34 | catsup | wd: how come your modprobe -l doesn't show the kernel version subdir ? |
| 04:12.45 | noisesmith | jakeisawake: I use mine like a tty only eepc, but lighter, less fragile, and nobody in their right mind would steal it |
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| 04:13.11 | jberg | like, just to navigate to /usr/bin i have 4 nautilus windows open :( |
| 04:13.18 | noisesmith | jberg: yes, it is under the gnome preferences on the top bar |
| 04:13.21 | jberg | there must be a way to turn that off? |
| 04:13.23 | jberg | oh ok |
| 04:13.27 | catsup | why would you ever want a listing of /usr/bin in nautilus? |
| 04:13.37 | waldschatten | how do I check for direct rendering? |
| 04:13.43 | noisesmith | to drag an icon, I gave him bad advice |
| 04:14.00 | catsup | oh |
| 04:14.02 | jakeisawake | i am going to have to dig up a serial cable . . . bottom of closet for sure |
| 04:14.05 | jberg | catsup. to get iceweasel on my desktop |
| 04:14.10 | markybob | waldschatten glxinfo |
| 04:14.12 | hedos | Hello. I just installed Debian, then I configured it for static ip by modifying /etc/network/interfaces. However, after a little while, the internet connection completely stopped working, I had to switch back to DHCP. |
| 04:14.19 | hedos | Any idea what's wrong and how to prevent it? |
| 04:14.25 | jakeisawake | noisesmith, wow this guy modified his trs80 to use bluetooth |
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| 04:14.37 | noisesmith | jakeisawake: fuck! that is awesome |
| 04:14.39 | catsup | shrug, if you're a gui weenie i suppose it makes sense or something, i don't know, i have trouble relating to normal people |
| 04:14.45 | jakeisawake | noisesmith, http://www.flickr.com/photos/ehgradman/sets/72157603124164552/ |
| 04:14.51 | hedos | I remember having the same problem with Slackware a while ago, but I don't remember the solution. Also the configuration file is different. |
| 04:14.55 | waldschatten | what package is glxinfo part of I get command not found. |
| 04:15.13 | catsup | hedos: what do you mean 'completely stopped working' ? |
| 04:15.42 | catsup | and exactly how did you fix it with dhcp? |
| 04:15.43 | hedos | catsup, can't access web sites or even ping an host. Would result in "unknown host : www.google.com" if I'd try to ping it. |
| 04:15.50 | enouf | wd: that's a floppy disk boot there, right? i doubt all the modules are on that one floppy ;-) |
| 04:16.01 | markybob | waldschatten mesa-utils |
| 04:16.12 | catsup | hedos: so maybe your dns was wrong? did you try pinging an ip of a locally connected box? |
| 04:16.25 | hedos | catsup, wouldn't work either |
| 04:16.43 | `mac` | intresting artical http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1906452/Brain-training-games-boost-IQ,-study-shows.html |
| 04:16.44 | hedos | catsup, I commented out my changes in /etc/network/interfaces, uncommented the default settings and rebooted my machine, to go back to DHCP. |
| 04:16.49 | catsup | you rebooted! |
| 04:16.57 | catsup | and you suppose that dhcp fixed it |
| 04:17.03 | waldschatten | okay, glxinfo is a lot of output, how do I make it just check for dri |
| 04:17.04 | enouf | jberg: what links in console? |
| 04:17.04 | jberg | noisesmith: still didn't find anything in the gnome preferences to make nautilus just use one window |
| 04:17.07 | catsup | but you completely destroyed all of the system state |
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| 04:17.11 | catsup | so you really have no idea what fixed it |
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| 04:17.33 | enouf | waldschatten: | grep -i direct |
| 04:17.33 | markybob | waldschatten it would say "direct rendering" on the first couple of lines |
| 04:17.47 | hedos | catsup, heh, now that you mention it. I thought I had rebooted before switching back to DHCP, but maybe I didn't. |
| 04:17.48 | catsup | !reboot |
| 04:17.48 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 04:17.52 | jberg | enouf: nm. i found out the default terminal can open links in a browser by clicking on them. i dont know how to change it to iceweasel though |
| 04:18.12 | catsup | hedos: well, do you know how to apply changes to network/interfaces without rebooting? |
| 04:18.15 | hedos | catsup, in any case, if my connection just dropped like this, it risks happening again with the current settings... :/ |
| 04:18.16 | enouf | jberg: i think you mean xterm, not terminal/console |
| 04:18.20 | waldschatten | yeah, using xterm, no scroll to get back to the top. |
| 04:18.25 | waldschatten | Direct rendering Yes |
| 04:18.40 | hedos | catsup, invoking /etc/init.d/networking restart wouldn't do anything. |
| 04:18.55 | waldschatten | Thanks to all that helped me set this up, I now have a box with all the functionality I used with ubuntu and about a quarter of the size. |
| 04:19.05 | jberg | enouf: this says terminal 2.22.1 for GNOME in "about" |
| 04:19.07 | markybob | waldschatten shift+pageup |
| 04:19.08 | waldschatten | probably a lot more stable too even with the sid backport |
| 04:19.15 | catsup | hedos: it sounds like you have a problem on a lower level than the network interface's configuration |
| 04:19.33 | enouf | jberg: right, xterm is X dependent and simulates a terminal/console |
| 04:20.02 | enouf | jberg: likely called gnome-terminal |
| 04:20.03 | waldschatten | And thanks for that markybob , filed away for future referance ther as well. |
| 04:20.03 | hedos | catsup: To be exact, and this is quite weird, I noticed my connection going back as the system was initiating shutdown procedures. (I was attempting to ssh from another machine) |
| 04:20.03 | jberg | enouf: oh, so this is xterm? |
| 04:20.09 | enouf | jberg: echo $TERM |
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| 04:20.28 | noisesmith | jberg: sorry, I do not have gnome installed, maybe someone else here uses gnome? |
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| 04:20.32 | enouf | jberg: but yeah, a variant thereof |
| 04:20.37 | Owner | hello all |
| 04:20.38 | catsup | hedos: maybe your internet link went down. it happens all the time... |
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| 04:20.52 | waldschatten | All that's left is to find me some info on ifup and setting up a boot time connect to my network that works with wpa2 enterprise. |
| 04:20.54 | wd | enouf: 5 disk |
| 04:20.54 | jberg | enouf: echo $TERM is xterm |
| 04:21.07 | jberg | but i typed the command xterm and got another terminal |
| 04:21.15 | enouf | wd: maybe what you need is on one of those other 4 ? ;-) |
| 04:21.20 | Owner | would someone be so kind as to answer some questions regarding the fsck check my system went into after a random reboot? |
| 04:21.25 | waldschatten | Thanks again to the channel, got more done in here in a few hours than after months in some other distros irc channels :) |
| 04:21.28 | waldschatten | g'night all |
| 04:21.32 | catsup | Owner: what's the question? |
| 04:21.43 | hedos | catsup, nah, I'm using another machine on the same network which was fine. Thanks for the help, I'll wait for it to happen again I guess. |
| 04:21.52 | hedos | (or not, hopefully!) |
| 04:21.55 | markybob | $TERM doesnt say what term you're in |
| 04:21.56 | Owner | it says.... |
| 04:22.01 | catsup | hedos: what's your network card? |
| 04:22.02 | jberg | anyways, cant drag iceweasel to desktop from /usr/bin.. |
| 04:22.04 | markybob | jberg you're using gnome-terminal |
| 04:22.14 | jberg | markybob: yes thats what i thought |
| 04:22.14 | Owner | clearing orphaned inode ##### |
| 04:22.24 | Owner | Illegal inode ###### in orphaned inode list |
| 04:22.35 | Owner | was not cleanly unmounted, check force |
| 04:22.36 | catsup | hedos: next time try reloading the module for the network card |
| 04:22.39 | Owner | *forced |
| 04:22.42 | noisesmith | jberg: why not? anyway, you should be able to drag it's icon from anywhere to the desktop, even a menu or whatever |
| 04:23.00 | hedos | catsup, integrated with my acer laptop |
| 04:23.06 | jberg | noisesmith: says i dont have permissions |
| 04:23.07 | Owner | the check is moving a snails pass of .1 ever 3 seconds |
| 04:23.13 | hedos | catsup, oh, sounds like a good idea, how would I do that? |
| 04:23.19 | enouf | jberg: yep, Console/Terminal usually refers to those ttys as defined in /etc/inittab (gettys) .. your xterms are pty/pts .. more about all that http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/devices.txt#L3247 |
| 04:23.20 | catsup | point, drag, grunt--it's a caveman interface, for preliterates... |
| 04:23.21 | noisesmith | jberg oh, you want to link, it thinks you want to move? |
| 04:23.49 | catsup | really it's rather violent when you think about it, all this dragging and dropping |
| 04:23.56 | jberg | i dont know? i just want an icon on the desktop so i can click it |
| 04:24.04 | markybob | jberg i already told you h ow |
| 04:24.06 | markybob | how* |
| 04:24.18 | jberg | markybob: to drag it? |
| 04:24.20 | catsup | jberg: right click on the desktop and select create new link to application or something like that |
| 04:24.20 | Owner | wtf is it doing this, and is my file system farked?!?!?! |
| 04:24.25 | markybob | jberg that's not what i said |
| 04:24.29 | markybob | jberg right-click on the menu icon of it and click on "add launcher to desktop" |
| 04:24.31 | nvz | can I do dhclient eth0 (my wired interface) without screwing with my routes for eth1 which is my wireless connection to the internet? |
| 04:24.52 | nvz | I had to manually bring up eth0 to be able to keep my route to the intarweb |
| 04:24.55 | catsup | Owner: it does that to make sure your file system is not farked, and if it succeeds in the check, then it isn't, probably |
| 04:25.00 | noisesmith | Owner: sounds like you had a bad shutdown while your disk was busy |
| 04:25.05 | jberg | markybob: oh sorry. what is the menu icon? |
| 04:25.05 | catsup | hedos: is it a wireless card? |
| 04:25.28 | markybob | jberg top left of your screen. applications->internet->iceweasel |
| 04:25.30 | Owner | sad, right during a migration to a new server too |
| 04:25.43 | catsup | hedos: you find out what the module is with lsmod and you modprobe -r it. |
| 04:25.45 | noisesmith | catsup: this one time, I had fucked ram, and fsck thought the disk was bad, because of ram errors- so it fucked the perfectly good file system :) |
| 04:25.45 | Owner | alls i need is this pos server to last me an hour for a file transfer and it does this |
| 04:25.50 | jberg | markybob: ah thank you |
| 04:26.18 | catsup | of course, bad memory will corrupt everything |
| 04:26.41 | noisesmith | catsup: yeah, but you know, when it's your machine... it's like a horror movie |
| 04:26.55 | noisesmith | laughs |
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| 04:27.17 | catsup | i want a box with ecc memory... |
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| 04:27.28 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 04:27.29 | noisesmith | yeah, don't we all |
| 04:27.30 | catsup | that kind of shit is way overpriced though |
| 04:27.36 | jberg | when i click on links in the gnome terminal it opens the gnome browser, can i change an env variable so it opens iceweasel instead? |
| 04:27.48 | Owner | quoting from best scene of superbad... |
| 04:27.53 | Owner | "fuck my life" |
| 04:27.54 | hedos | catsup: Not wireless. Thanks. |
| 04:27.59 | markybob | jberg system->preferences->preferred applciations |
| 04:28.00 | \amethyst | jberg: run gnome-default-application-properties |
| 04:28.13 | \amethyst | jberg: aka 'Preferred Applications' in the control-center |
| 04:28.31 | acehigh | anyone familiar with oss driver setup for sound blaster audigy sound cards? |
| 04:28.47 | catsup | the gui interface is strictly hierarchical too, it's fascistic as well as brutish |
| 04:28.55 | acehigh | or know a way to get sound working on audigy |
| 04:29.22 | jberg | thanks! |
| 04:29.28 | catsup | PATH creates a harmonious society of equals among system binaries |
| 04:29.34 | \amethyst | jberg: if it's set to debian-sensible-browser, then you can use the BROWSER env var |
| 04:29.41 | enouf | nvz: IINM, an allow-hotplug line in your /interfaces should allow you to bring up/down at will using ifup/down |
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| 04:30.22 | catsup | jberg: if you do as \amethyst says, realize you have to set the environment variable in whatever you use to *start* your console; you cannot set it using the shell *inside* the console |
| 04:30.31 | \amethyst | indeed |
| 04:30.39 | enouf | nvz: just remove or comment out the auto eth0 part |
| 04:31.13 | noisesmith | acehigh: why use oss? |
| 04:31.20 | \amethyst | or (again if it's "Debian Sensible Browser") you can update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser to change the default systemwide |
| 04:31.25 | enouf | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ? |
| 04:31.34 | jberg | catsup: it worked when i used system-preferences-etc.. |
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| 04:32.22 | \amethyst | enouf: sensible-browser checks for a GNOME session and uses gnome-www-browser instead if there is one (and it exists) |
| 04:33.10 | catsup | acehigh: modprobe snd-pcm-oss; modprobe snd-mixer-oss |
| 04:33.14 | enouf | \amethyst: ok, i suppose iceweasel would then be a choice to that |
| 04:33.48 | \amethyst | enouf: it is |
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| 04:34.41 | \amethyst | (at least if you have iceweasel-gnome-support installed) |
| 04:34.42 | acehigh | catsup, Module snd_pcm_oss not found. |
| 04:34.44 | enouf | acehigh: install alsa-oss alsa-utils, if you mean OSS processing/emulation through alsa |
| 04:34.45 | jberg | hm, gcc is not installed by default? |
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| 04:34.59 | noisesmith | jberg: oddly enough, no |
| 04:35.08 | noisesmith | jberg: very little is installed by default |
| 04:35.10 | acehigh | I just want the sound to work oss worked in the past but doesnt seem to now |
| 04:35.16 | enouf | jberg: build-essential |
| 04:35.45 | jberg | enouf: ah thanks |
| 04:35.45 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 04:35.45 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 04:35.49 | noisesmith | acehigh: oss is depricated on linux |
| 04:35.56 | jberg | enouf: is that binutils gdb etc? |
| 04:36.04 | acehigh | alsaconf does not find the card |
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| 04:36.32 | enouf | acehigh: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 04:36.39 | catsup | gcc not installed by default: that's what you get for leaving the default to a popularity contest... |
| 04:36.59 | enouf | jberg: binutils, yes, gdb? not sure |
| 04:37.09 | acehigh | 01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) |
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| 04:37.28 | noisesmith | jberg: binutils is as, ld, ldd |
| 04:37.29 | enouf | acehigh: lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
| 04:37.37 | `mac` | question, off the topic if i may, using ispconfig it just says unpack doesnt say where to unpack when i do indeed unpack does install files going to be used.. i m not very clear on their info.. |
| 04:37.42 | noisesmith | jberg: and some others I am sure I forgot |
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| 04:38.04 | acehigh | 01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB Audigy [1102:0004] (rev 03) |
| 04:38.08 | catsup | no gdb in build-essential |
| 04:38.29 | enouf | acehigh: modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 04:38.41 | acehigh | ah thats the one i was thinking about |
| 04:38.44 | enouf | acehigh: then run alsaconf |
| 04:39.17 | acehigh | enouf, not found |
| 04:39.21 | acehigh | :| |
| 04:39.32 | enouf | acehigh: is that debian? |
| 04:39.35 | acehigh | yes |
| 04:39.42 | enouf | which one? |
| 04:39.42 | acehigh | no flavor debian |
| 04:39.45 | noisesmith | now a real system would come with an assembly manual for your processor, as, ld, and a hex editor, cat, and nothing else whatsoever :) |
| 04:39.47 | enouf | huh? |
| 04:39.56 | acehigh | 4.0r |
| 04:40.10 | acehigh | the latest netboot iso |
| 04:40.23 | `mac` | well, ok thak you |
| 04:40.40 | enouf | acehigh: something's not right - dd you install those pkgs i mentioned? |
| 04:40.41 | acehigh | enouf, meaning no ubuntu or stuff like that |
| 04:40.49 | enouf | s/dd/did |
| 04:40.57 | enouf | alsa-base as well |
| 04:41.11 | catsup | sudo alsaconf |
| 04:41.22 | jberg | hm, emacs-bin-common, emacs-common, emacs-gtk? xemacs is only emacs 21 |
| 04:41.34 | acehigh | enouf, yes |
| 04:41.41 | enouf | acehigh: wait, what's not found? your card? or alsaconf? |
| 04:42.04 | enouf | acehigh: you need to show exact error messages |
| 04:42.14 | acehigh | modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 04:42.21 | markybob | see, what we have here is a failure to communicate :P |
| 04:42.27 | acehigh | Module snd_emu10k1 not found. |
| 04:42.34 | enouf | wtf? |
| 04:43.09 | enouf | acehigh: you built that kernel? |
| 04:43.15 | acehigh | no |
| 04:43.19 | acehigh | default install |
| 04:43.29 | acehigh | only patch was the nvidia driver |
| 04:43.37 | acehigh | nvidia-kernel |
| 04:43.45 | enouf | well, something's wrong - those modules are there |
| 04:43.58 | acehigh | what directory they reside in |
| 04:44.10 | enouf | acehigh: modprobe -l | grep emu10k1 |
| 04:44.13 | sChaaa | hola |
| 04:44.59 | acehigh | /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/drivers/input/gameport/emu10k1-gp.ko |
| 04:44.59 | acehigh | /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/oss/emu10k1x.ko |
| 04:45.04 | catsup | markybob: that's how he wants it--well, that's how he gets it |
| 04:45.15 | markybob | :) |
| 04:45.35 | acehigh | markybob, that nvidia worked earlier :) |
| 04:46.00 | markybob | acehigh ah, good |
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| 04:46.53 | nvz | I am connected to an Wireless AP on eth1 to get online, and eth0 is hooked to the switch on another router, how can I share my internet with the computers on eth0? right now they only have local access to my box. |
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| 04:47.16 | hedos | Hello. I can't configure Debian to use a static IP, when I do it, the network connection will not work at all. |
| 04:47.27 | \amethyst | !ipmasq |
| 04:47.27 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 04:47.34 | hedos | 'ifconfig' reports no IP address assigned at all. |
| 04:47.39 | jberg | btw, is there something i should make more secure after installing debian right out of the box? |
| 04:48.27 | hedos | I've followed the many tutorials that say the same thing about what to write in /etc/network/interfaces, yet it doesn't work. Any idea what I can do? |
| 04:48.35 | enouf | acehigh: you appear to be missing snd_ alsa modules .. maybe try that "emu10k1x" |
| 04:48.42 | markybob | jberg i always install fail2ban |
| 04:49.00 | \amethyst | hedos: does ifup eth0 (or whatever the device is) work? |
| 04:49.25 | catsup | dpkg says 'be happy' but it's not so simple |
| 04:49.25 | dpkg | catsup: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:49.29 | enouf | jberg: install harden-doc |
| 04:49.34 | enouf | and read |
| 04:49.35 | jberg | markybob: ah what is that? |
| 04:49.40 | jberg | enouf: and what is that? |
| 04:49.49 | jberg | (is there a way i can see info on apt packages?) |
| 04:49.53 | markybob | hedos ifconfig eth0 ip_here netmask netmsk_here up then do `route add default gw gwip_here` |
| 04:49.55 | hedos | \amethyst, magic, that fixed it, apparently |
| 04:49.58 | catsup | dpkg: what if i get NAT working with ipmasq, but i still feel empty? |
| 04:49.59 | dpkg | wish i knew, catsup |
| 04:50.01 | hedos | \amethyst, what was that? |
| 04:50.02 | enouf | and just kill all unwanted services, /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 04:50.07 | acehigh | enouf, you wouldn't happen to know the package name would you? |
| 04:50.27 | markybob | jberg protects against ssh login attacks and other auth related attacks |
| 04:50.28 | \amethyst | hedos: that brings up the named device... since it works, that means your stanza is fine |
| 04:50.39 | \amethyst | hedos: you're probably just missing an auto eth0 at the beginning |
| 04:50.39 | enouf | acehigh: i have no idea what's up with that there - hrm ... |
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| 04:51.03 | enouf | acehigh: it's part of the linux-image-version kernel pkg ;-) |
| 04:51.21 | hedos | \amethyst, it is there |
| 04:51.30 | acehigh | alsa-base and alsa-source are installed |
| 04:51.44 | enouf | unless they separate them for amd64 .. acehigh does modprobe -l |
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| 04:52.37 | \amethyst | hedos: strange... in a normal boot, /etc/init.d/networking would be called (early in the boot, in runlevel S), and would itself invoke ifup -a |
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| 04:52.40 | enouf | unless they separate them for amd64 .. acehigh does modprobe -l | grep "snd-" list many ? |
| 04:52.47 | \amethyst | hedos: which should bring up all interfaces marked as 'auto' |
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| 04:53.36 | enouf | acehigh: ~$ modprobe -l | grep "snd-" | wc -l |
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| 04:54.01 | acehigh | rebooting |
| 04:54.04 | acehigh | brb |
| 04:54.04 | \amethyst | hedos: does ifdown -a take the eth0 interface back down? |
| 04:54.06 | enouf | wtf? |
| 04:54.16 | hedos | \amethyst, ah! Thanks, I had an "auth" written instead of "auto"! |
| 04:54.22 | \amethyst | hedos: aha! |
| 04:54.34 | acehigh | enouf, one sec the kernel package required a reboot |
| 04:54.36 | acehigh | brb |
| 04:54.42 | hedos | Thanks a lot, bye. |
| 04:55.03 | enouf | acehigh: you were in the installer still ? |
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| 04:55.25 | acehigh | no i searched for the kernel package ya told me about |
| 04:56.23 | acehigh | and that command returned 105 |
| 04:56.27 | acehigh | brb |
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| 04:58.24 | acehigh | enouf, back |
| 04:59.06 | markybob | i wonder if discover would help him |
| 04:59.07 | acehigh | enouf, still not found |
| 04:59.11 | markybob | havent used that in a long time though |
| 04:59.24 | acehigh | Module snd_emu10k1 not found. |
| 05:01.13 | markybob | acehigh http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ does this detect your sound card type? |
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| 05:02.33 | acehigh | markybob, no |
| 05:02.49 | enouf | acehigh: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1x.ko |
| 05:02.55 | acehigh | one sec |
| 05:03.00 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/amd64/linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64/filelist |
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| 05:03.30 | enouf | you're lying about something |
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| 05:03.58 | acehigh | 11020004YesCreative LabsSB Audigysnd-emu10k1v2.6.24 |
| 05:04.11 | acehigh | didnt see the i had to paste part hehe |
| 05:04.49 | markybob | heh. that's it |
| 05:04.51 | markybob | - instead of _ |
| 05:04.55 | markybob | snd-emu10k1 |
| 05:05.10 | enouf | it doesn't matter |
| 05:05.24 | markybob | i have no idea, then |
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| 05:05.26 | acehigh | enouf, that first directory does not exist |
| 05:05.38 | acehigh | it stops at the sound part |
| 05:07.27 | jberg | so when i do aptitude install harden-doc, where do they go? /usr/share something? |
| 05:07.35 | acehigh | I do not have /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/sound/ |
| 05:07.38 | markybob | acehigh zcat /proc/config.gz |grep -i snd_emu show anything? |
| 05:07.43 | enouf | in /usr/share/doc |
| 05:07.53 | jberg | ok thanks |
| 05:07.58 | enouf | but dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 05:08.28 | enouf | acehigh: you have a broken kernel |
| 05:08.37 | enouf | install a non-broken one |
| 05:08.51 | jberg | can i use tune2fs with ext3? |
| 05:08.55 | acehigh | CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1=m |
| 05:08.56 | acehigh | CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1X=m |
| 05:09.09 | acehigh | k whats a good non broken one |
| 05:09.12 | acehigh | hehe |
| 05:09.13 | markybob | acehigh you probably messed up an rm config somewhere |
| 05:09.20 | markybob | rm command* |
| 05:09.33 | acehigh | haven't ran a rm command on this system yet |
| 05:09.39 | markybob | jberg yep |
| 05:09.41 | acehigh | new install today this morning |
| 05:09.45 | enouf | no |
| 05:09.58 | enouf | that's not a Debian kernel |
| 05:10.03 | jberg | some guy said before that i should use tune2fs and tweak dir..something so big directories list faster, do you remember what it was? |
| 05:10.16 | catsup | jberg: dir_index |
| 05:10.21 | enouf | Debian does not use /proc/config.gz |
| 05:10.29 | catsup | jberg: you can't do that with tune2fs, i don't think... |
| 05:10.38 | catsup | have to do it with mkfs |
| 05:10.42 | markybob | enouf uh. does here |
| 05:10.43 | streuner | !listvals tune2fs |
| 05:10.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tune2fs' by value (4): ext2->ext3 ;; ext3->ext2 ;; reserved disk space ;; tune2fs. |
| 05:11.08 | catsup | oh wait, you can, cool |
| 05:11.09 | acehigh | Linux Acehigh 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 03:57:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 05:11.16 | acehigh | thats what uname -a returns |
| 05:11.25 | enouf | markybob: well, i certainly didn't test them all - but /boot/config-$(uname -r) is where it goes |
| 05:11.38 | jberg | catsup: ah ok. well it can't find tune2fs anyways, should i install e2fslibs instead? |
| 05:11.42 | markybob | enouf that's separate, but yes, it has that too |
| 05:11.56 | catsup | jberg: you don't have /sbin/tune2fs ? |
| 05:12.19 | jberg | oh i dont have sbin in my path |
| 05:12.22 | enouf | acehigh: cat /proc/version |
| 05:12.26 | jberg | maybe i have to sudo |
| 05:12.35 | catsup | it's in package e2fsprogs which you should have |
| 05:12.44 | acehigh | Linux version 2.6.18-6-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch3) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 03:57:46 UTC 2008 |
| 05:12.48 | sandman | Is it possible to map out bad regions of RAM, such that they will not be used? |
| 05:13.00 | enouf | ok, your netinstall must be brken |
| 05:13.05 | jberg | catsup: yes i have it. how do i set dir_index? |
| 05:13.08 | catsup | i think acehigh compiled his own kernel and reinstalled it on top of debian's kernel |
| 05:13.16 | catsup | oh wait, no |
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| 05:13.28 | enouf | apt-get update &&& apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 05:13.33 | SerajewelKS | is there something better than dia for diagramming? |
| 05:13.36 | acehigh | catsup, I couldnt have as this install was this morning |
| 05:13.37 | enouf | erm, && not 3 |
| 05:13.44 | streuner | sandman: use a screwdriver and just throw that into trash |
| 05:13.48 | SerajewelKS | its export mechanism borks the graph in just about every possible way |
| 05:13.55 | sandman | streuner: I am very poor. |
| 05:14.01 | streuner | well |
| 05:14.02 | catsup | acehigh: nm i didn't see that output |
| 05:14.29 | enouf | acehigh: that's possible if you grabbed a "daily" snapshot, rather than the weekly ones, or whatever the stable ones are |
| 05:14.31 | catsup | SerajewelKS: try bic |
| 05:14.44 | acehigh | linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 is already the newest version. |
| 05:14.45 | markybob | enouf he's using 2.6.18...a daily would use 2.6.24 |
| 05:14.58 | enouf | markybob: a Etch netinstall ? |
| 05:15.15 | enouf | something is really screwy here |
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| 05:15.32 | markybob | yeah. i still think it was a bad mistyped rm command :P |
| 05:15.33 | acehigh | enouf, all i did was download the iso off the debian ftp burned it to cd, poped it into my cdrom, and proceeded to install using the ftp.us.debian.org link provided |
| 05:15.52 | markybob | acehigh apt-get --reinstall the kernel |
| 05:15.54 | catsup | acehigh: well reinstall the kernel package |
| 05:15.58 | acehigh | ran apt-get update after install and then proceeded to install xorg and fluxbox and gnome |
| 05:16.20 | jberg | catsup: should i do tune2fs -O +dir_index,+sparse_super ? |
| 05:16.53 | acehigh | and then configured my nvidia card which markybob helped me see my sources needed non-free in them and then I took a break and we are here |
| 05:17.00 | enouf | acehigh: understandable - dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 05:17.02 | acehigh | and I installed oss |
| 05:17.02 | catsup | jberg: possibly |
| 05:17.19 | enouf | installed OSS? |
| 05:17.37 | markybob | acehigh what exactly do you mean? |
| 05:17.45 | jberg | hm no that doesnt seem to work.. i get the help menu |
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| 05:17.57 | jberg | but thats what i get from the man page.. |
| 05:18.01 | enouf | still, even some freaky software install should NOT remove non-existant kernel modules |
| 05:18.13 | catsup | jberg: lose the + |
| 05:18.20 | enouf | er .. you know what i mean |
| 05:18.22 | acehigh | downloaded the deb from oss and did a dpkg -i on it |
| 05:18.29 | enouf | lmao |
| 05:18.30 | markybob | huh |
| 05:18.34 | catsup | oh wit, the + is right, um |
| 05:18.38 | enouf | nice one, thanks for telling us |
| 05:18.48 | SerajewelKS | catsup: no debian package? |
| 05:18.53 | catsup | jberg: did you specify the filesystem? |
| 05:18.58 | markybob | acehigh whoever told you to do that mislead you terribly |
| 05:18.59 | jberg | hm no |
| 05:18.59 | catsup | SerajewelKS: http://www.bicgraphic.com/ |
| 05:19.30 | acehigh | markybob, I did it because in the past oss worked on this same card |
| 05:19.39 | noisesmith | markybob: reminds me of how I hosed an rpm based system or two back in the day |
| 05:19.39 | sandman | Do stock Debian kernels come with the BadRAM kernel patch? |
| 05:19.42 | acehigh | and it was the only thing that would work back then |
| 05:19.49 | markybob | acehigh things change :P sorry |
| 05:19.59 | acehigh | i know to often sometimes |
| 05:20.00 | jberg | catsup: ah maybe i need to specify device in the end |
| 05:20.01 | acehigh | hehe |
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| 05:20.15 | catsup | jberg: uh, yeah |
| 05:20.17 | acehigh | enouf, can you join #flood so i can paste that output |
| 05:20.27 | jberg | but.. i have two satas in a raid, do you know what device that is? |
| 05:20.32 | jberg | /dev/md0 or something? |
| 05:20.57 | enouf | markybob: even so, OSS is again some sort of option - should a user choose so - opensound.com/4front did release new versions under some GPL version, so some people do use it .. but fuck!, if the install of the .deb actually removes the alsa modules? O M G |
| 05:21.02 | catsup | jberg: type 'mount' |
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| 05:21.29 | enouf | acehigh: dude, i need to go - good luck though |
| 05:21.31 | markybob | enouf i have no idea. seems to be the only thing that's left. something's fucked and that's standing out |
| 05:21.31 | catsup | jberg: actually, mount -t ext3 |
| 05:21.35 | jberg | hm yes i think /dev/md0 is right |
| 05:21.45 | acehigh | enouf, k thats cool thanks for helping out :) |
| 05:21.46 | jberg | yep |
| 05:22.13 | jberg | yay now it worked :) |
| 05:22.26 | markybob | acehigh remove that oss package, reinstall the kernel, restart, reinstall the alsa stuff and nvidia. or reinstall debian. that's my best guess |
| 05:22.26 | noisesmith | enouf: having alsa and oss is like having kde and gnome, or emacs and xemacs, or firefox and iceweasel - it is possible, but it is a pain, and hardly worth the hastle |
| 05:22.26 | acehigh | k guess my question is how do i get the oss package uninstalled and the modules reinstalled |
| 05:22.36 | markybob | dpkg --purge packagename |
| 05:22.36 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, markybob |
| 05:22.41 | acehigh | k |
| 05:22.51 | streuner | sandman: http://packages.debian.org/de/kernel-patch-badram |
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| 05:23.29 | enouf | noisesmith: his entire ../../sound/pci/* section in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ is missing |
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| 05:24.05 | noisesmith | enouf: yeah, because alsa and oss are incompatible |
| 05:25.00 | catsup | having both kde and gnome, and emacs and xemacs, is no hassle |
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| 05:25.22 | SerajewelKS | catsup: ahahaha funny |
| 05:25.24 | acehigh | noisesmith, k with that said how to get rid of one and make the other work |
| 05:25.27 | acehigh | :) |
| 05:25.29 | dimir | Morning! |
| 05:25.48 | jberg | hm i wonder which emacs to install.. xemacs is 21, emacs-bin-common, emacs-common emacs-gtk is 22 |
| 05:25.57 | jberg | but i dont know which one of those i should choose |
| 05:26.01 | acehigh | markybob, k i tried using dpkg --purge on the package name and it stated I could not do that |
| 05:26.13 | markybob | acehigh why? |
| 05:26.14 | noisesmith | jberg: xemacs is dead |
| 05:26.20 | catsup | xemacs is dead?? |
| 05:26.22 | jberg | really? |
| 05:26.29 | acehigh | markybob, join flood ill show ya the output |
| 05:26.45 | markybob | acehigh use dpaste.com and paste the link. that way all can see |
| 05:26.48 | jberg | noisesmith: what about the other three? |
| 05:27.21 | noisesmith | get emacs-gtk, it uses emacs-bin-common and emacs-common |
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| 05:27.39 | jberg | ok. whats the difference between common and bin-common? |
| 05:27.39 | webPragmatist | man i really don't miss compiling crap |
| 05:27.40 | catsup | i used to use xemacs only because it wasn't possible to configure emacs the way i wanted |
| 05:27.44 | noisesmith | I guess I am wrong, xemacs is still around |
| 05:28.00 | markybob | noisesmith what you meant was, xemacs should be dead :P |
| 05:28.02 | jberg | but its still only 21 not 22 |
| 05:28.04 | acehigh | http://dpaste.com/48267/ |
| 05:28.11 | catsup | xemacs seems to be better in a number of ways though |
| 05:28.18 | noisesmith | markybob: wishful thinking, I really thought the project no longer existed |
| 05:28.20 | catsup | jberg: that means nothing |
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| 05:28.41 | markybob | acehigh ah, you use the package name, not the filename. so it'd be dpkg --purge oss-linux probably |
| 05:28.52 | acehigh | k |
| 05:29.16 | acehigh | k that worked :) |
| 05:29.23 | jberg | catsup: yes, but i want the newest :) |
| 05:29.25 | acehigh | I do what I know :P |
| 05:29.26 | markybob | one step at a time :) |
| 05:29.34 | catsup | jberg: a higher version number does not mean newer |
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| 05:29.39 | noisesmith | xemacs has a more traditional graphic setup, but gnu emacs has slightly more third party stuff, iirc |
| 05:29.49 | jberg | catsup: uhm? how so? |
| 05:29.53 | noisesmith | I am using erc inside emacs at the moment |
| 05:30.00 | catsup | jberg: they're two independent projects |
| 05:30.05 | noisesmith | jberg: they forked over a decade ago |
| 05:30.07 | jberg | oh |
| 05:30.22 | markybob | acehigh ok, so now apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 and ignore the warnings about installing a currently running kernel |
| 05:30.30 | jberg | so, which do you prefer, xemacs or emacs-gtk? |
| 05:30.30 | markybob | acehigh then restart and get your ass back in here |
| 05:30.49 | noisesmith | jberg: emacs-gtk, I think |
| 05:30.49 | catsup | jberg: get both |
| 05:30.49 | acehigh | brb |
| 05:30.59 | jberg | okay |
| 05:31.08 | catsup | jberg: make your .emacs portable between them |
| 05:31.16 | noisesmith | catsup: xemacs destroys the .emacs, so install xemacs and make it's config first |
| 05:31.26 | catsup | jberg: merely doing that will teach you the difference between them |
| 05:31.48 | catsup | noisesmith: that's not true |
| 05:31.49 | noisesmith | catsup: how recently have you been able to use xemacs and emacs with the same .emacs? |
| 05:31.59 | jberg | hm there can't be that much difference between them? |
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| 05:32.13 | noisesmith | I just last week installed xemacs, and it totally destroyed my .emacs |
| 05:32.17 | catsup | i haven't used emacs in a while |
| 05:32.21 | jberg | installed emacs-gtk now. going to use that and see if i like it. if not try xemacs |
| 05:32.28 | catsup | 4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 d d 2181 2006-10-01 02:06 .emacs |
| 05:32.56 | noisesmith | catsup: maybe it was an ubuntu particular bug, I dunno |
| 05:33.08 | noisesmith | that is part of why I went back to debian |
| 05:33.17 | catsup | i do have a lot of crap in .xemacs/custom.el |
| 05:33.25 | catsup | erm, .xemacs/init.el |
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| 05:33.51 | acehigh | k back |
| 05:34.06 | catsup | customizing emacs is just too nerdy for me now |
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| 05:34.11 | catsup | that's why i use vim |
| 05:34.31 | SerajewelKS | !start an editor war |
| 05:34.31 | dpkg | ae blows |
| 05:34.40 | acehigh | markybob, modprobe worked now |
| 05:34.51 | nirupama | My laptop takes 1366x768 resolution but when connected to projector it should change to 1024x768 as my system hanges with 1366x768 |
| 05:34.52 | markybob | acehigh yahoo! |
| 05:34.55 | nirupama | how can i solve this |
| 05:35.00 | nirupama | Its a sony vaio |
| 05:35.21 | noisesmith | nirupama: what is your desktop environment? |
| 05:35.25 | acehigh | alsaconf worked |
| 05:35.33 | noisesmith | acehigh: sweet |
| 05:35.33 | acehigh | now what |
| 05:35.36 | nirupama | noisesmith, its gnome |
| 05:35.37 | acehigh | hehe |
| 05:35.50 | markybob | acehigh now you redo the nvidia one-liner and enjoy your system :) |
| 05:35.51 | nirupama | noisesmith, let me tell u the complete problem |
| 05:35.58 | noisesmith | nirupama: there is a system settings item for changing your screen resolution, you will have to do it manually |
| 05:36.03 | noisesmith | nirupama: ok |
| 05:36.19 | acehigh | markybob, the nvidia is still running in direct rendering = yes mod |
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| 05:36.40 | acehigh | markybob, trust me i checked hehe |
| 05:36.43 | nirupama | noisesmith, when i give only 1366x768 in xorg.conf I screen accepts that and sets the screen accordingly |
| 05:36.45 | markybob | acehigh you should be good to go, then. |
| 05:36.56 | acehigh | woot |
| 05:37.00 | acehigh | yall rock |
| 05:37.16 | acehigh | now to test a mp3 |
| 05:37.24 | nirupama | noisesmith, but when i give all the resoluitons like 1366x768 1024x768 800x600 etc it nevers takes 1366x768 instead it accepts 1024x768 and makes the screen small |
| 05:37.44 | nirupama | noisesmith, In the gui for screen resoultion setting also i dont find 1366x768 at all |
| 05:37.52 | acehigh | and get enemy territory quake installed |
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| 05:38.11 | nirupama | noisesmith, for projector also its not default i add a line Option "Clone" "true" in device section to make the projector work |
| 05:38.27 | markybob | acehigh you'll probably wanna modprobe snd-pcm-oss too |
| 05:38.41 | nirupama | noisesmith, but 1366x768 and Clone "true" never go together |
| 05:38.45 | noisesmith | nirupama: sounds like you want to use a seperate xorg.conf, one for regular usage, and one for with the projector? |
| 05:39.06 | noisesmith | nirupama: that would be one way to deal with it |
| 05:39.27 | nirupama | noisesmith, If i keep the resolution to 1024x768 and do Clone "true it works very well but if i keep 1366x768 and Clone "true" my monitor becomes blank and I can tsee anything and need to restart |
| 05:39.33 | acehigh | markybob, I just ran xmms and it stated I do not have a sound card |
| 05:39.37 | acehigh | :| |
| 05:39.44 | nirupama | noisesmith, ok |
| 05:39.50 | acehigh | markybob, should i reboot just for gigles |
| 05:39.59 | markybob | acehigh after the snd-pcm-oss modprobe? i think xmms might use oss by default, which would need that module |
| 05:40.03 | nirupama | noisesmith, but how can i make it to use one at one time and the other at some time |
| 05:40.08 | nirupama | noisesmith, what is the process |
| 05:40.10 | acehigh | yea i ran that too |
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| 05:40.12 | sandman | streuner: Thank you for the link |
| 05:40.17 | markybob | acehigh also, is your user in the audio group? |
| 05:40.22 | acehigh | oh |
| 05:40.24 | acehigh | duh |
| 05:40.25 | noisesmith | nirupama: I am looking into that now |
| 05:40.34 | jberg | ok last question before i go to bed. how can i make nautilus use only one window? :) |
| 05:40.42 | streuner | sandman: what kernel do you use? |
| 05:40.48 | nirupama | noisesmith, I saw in vista that is also in the same laptop it nicely adjusts the screen to 1024x768 as soon as projector is connected and rest other time takes 1366x768 |
| 05:40.52 | markybob | acehigh you have to relogin after adding a user to a group, btw |
| 05:41.02 | acehigh | brb |
| 05:41.18 | catsup | chmod 666 /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
| 05:41.25 | catsup | rather than log out |
| 05:41.28 | catsup | but he already left |
| 05:41.39 | noisesmith | nirupama: that may be possible, but I wouldn't know how to do it |
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| 05:42.21 | acehigh | k xmms plays but no sound |
| 05:42.35 | markybob | acehigh check your mixer levels |
| 05:43.08 | markybob | acehigh (gnome-alsamixer) |
| 05:43.16 | noisesmith | nirupama: set $XORGCONFIG in your shell to <file>, and the xserver will use /etc/X11/<file> instead of /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:43.29 | acehigh | got it |
| 05:43.37 | acehigh | want a good laugh |
| 05:43.42 | nirupama | noisesmith, not able to understand how to proceed as if i am using it i can do it manually everytime but when a normal user uses it ....? |
| 05:43.50 | markybob | acehigh does it regard george bush? |
| 05:43.54 | acehigh | the power cord was ..... |
| 05:43.58 | markybob | haha |
| 05:44.05 | markybob | nice |
| 05:44.20 | acehigh | but at least its working now |
| 05:44.32 | acehigh | now for the quake install |
| 05:44.33 | noisesmith | nirupama: hmm... that is tricky |
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| 05:45.02 | nirupama | noisesmith, i can say my users to do that manually :) They with hit me :) |
| 05:45.21 | nirupama | noisesmith, I did not understand ur prebvious statement |
| 05:45.32 | nirupama | noisesmith, setting the PATH how will ittake |
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| 05:45.36 | noisesmith | nirupama: make a shell script for them to source? |
| 05:45.59 | acehigh | markybob, ready for the next one hehe |
| 05:46.09 | markybob | acehigh there's a next one? :P |
| 05:46.21 | noisesmith | or make a different frontend to called xprojector or whatever, that is basically XORGCONFIG=<file> xinit |
| 05:46.22 | acehigh | markybob, sh ETQW.run will not let me run it and its chmod +x'ed |
| 05:46.34 | noisesmith | if they can handle running xinit |
| 05:46.39 | acehigh | I got all kinds of interesting ones |
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| 05:47.04 | markybob | acehigh hrm. what's the error? permission denied? |
| 05:48.26 | acehigh | ETQW-client-1.4-full.x86.run: ETQW-client-1.4-full.x86.run: cannot execute binary file |
| 05:49.38 | noisesmith | nirupama: maybe I am totally on the wrong track: there is also a way to specify the preferred resolution in the xorg.conf, while having other resolutions available... but that does not fix the "copy" thing |
| 05:50.34 | noisesmith | nirupama: also: what about having two x's running, modifying init.d to start one gdm at 1024 with the copy parameter on ctrl-alt-f7, another with the better resolution on ctl-alt-f8 |
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| 05:57.40 | catsup | you can change X's resolutoin while it runs |
| 05:58.05 | noisesmith | catsup: his issue was a parameter that only works with the less favorable resolution |
| 05:58.20 | catsup | oh |
| 05:58.31 | noisesmith | he needs the parameter for the projector to work |
| 05:59.13 | noisesmith | so having two x configurations looks like the only fix without patching xorg to fix the bug |
| 05:59.13 | nirupama | noisesmith, how can that be done |
| 05:59.28 | noisesmith | nirupama: you can tell gdm which display to open on |
| 05:59.52 | nirupama | noisesmith, how can i do that |
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| 06:00.11 | nirupama | noisesmith, you mean in init.d i need to specify xorg.conf file that is my edited file |
| 06:00.18 | nirupama | and ask gdm to use that wehn it restarts |
| 06:00.19 | noisesmith | nirupama: so set the XORGCONFIG=noprojector xdm -- :1 |
| 06:00.19 | nirupama | ? |
| 06:00.28 | noisesmith | or something like that |
| 06:00.30 | catsup | you don't really want separate configs |
| 06:00.40 | catsup | set up two different screens in one config, and use -screen |
| 06:00.43 | nirupama | catsup, |
| 06:00.45 | nirupama | ? |
| 06:00.46 | noisesmith | and then, on the next line XORGCONFIG=projector xdm -- :2 |
| 06:00.53 | catsup | eh, whatever |
| 06:00.57 | nirupama | catsup, how? |
| 06:01.16 | noisesmith | oh, I hadn't thought of that |
| 06:01.26 | catsup | nirupama: i can show you a config as an example |
| 06:01.26 | nirupama | catsup how to detect whether projector is connected or not |
| 06:01.33 | catsup | nirupama: i don't know how to do that |
| 06:01.36 | nirupama | catsup, that will be really a help |
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| 06:01.58 | _ZeuZ_ | Does anybody know a good GUI for tcng that's not based on htb.init ? |
| 06:02.01 | catsup | eh, you realize it won't do what you want |
| 06:02.02 | nirupama | catsup, can u show me that config file |
| 06:03.13 | acehigh | brb |
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| 06:04.22 | catsup | nirupama: http://childrenofmay.org/XF86Config-4.txt |
| 06:04.45 | catsup | nirupama: that's just how to put two different configurations in one file, not to do anything about detecting your projector |
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| 06:06.37 | noisesmith | theoretically udev (or maybe hald?) could be configured to tell gnome to change the X11 resolution via ipc whenever the projector is plugged in |
| 06:07.00 | noisesmith | if you are using gnome |
| 06:07.25 | noisesmith | I wouldn't know how to make the udev file though, I tried making a udev file once and failed |
| 06:07.34 | catsup | nirupama: i found what you want... |
| 06:07.55 | catsup | http://lunapark6.com/dual-head-configuration-with-different-resolutions-per-screen-linux.html |
| 06:07.55 | nirupama | catsup, yes tell me |
| 06:08.12 | catsup | oh wait |
| 06:08.20 | catsup | he's using two different X instances |
| 06:08.25 | nirupama | catsup, noisesmith i will be back have a meeting |
| 06:08.29 | catsup | what a douchebag |
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| 06:10.27 | noisesmith | waves. |
| 06:10.38 | catsup | i was thinking, if you can get both devices at the same time, you could have xinerama and put them in the same x server, and just move windows from one to the other when you want to switch |
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| 06:11.08 | acehigh | markybob, figured it out |
| 06:11.18 | acehigh | I needed ia32-libs installed |
| 06:11.22 | mhymn | hi, how can I open 'fts' file? here is the output of file command: FITS image data, 16-bit, two's complement binary integer |
| 06:11.40 | markybob | acehigh ah, good. |
| 06:11.40 | catsup | mhymn: try imagemagick |
| 06:12.19 | mhymn | catsup: I have that package but which tool? |
| 06:12.40 | acehigh | yea good to know that I can now get this installed after a whole day of working on getting to this point hehe |
| 06:13.22 | catsup | mhymn: 'display' if you want to view it, 'convert' if you want to convert it to png or something |
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| 06:16.08 | mhymn | catsup: are you sure that display can open that? here it shows me a balck screen |
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| 06:17.17 | mhymn | black* |
| 06:17.25 | catsup | no |
| 06:18.18 | mhymn | catsup: thanks anyway ;-) |
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| 06:24.53 | acehigh | k dont start a game in 1280x1024 on max vid ability |
| 06:24.55 | acehigh | hehe |
| 06:25.05 | acehigh | tends to not allow it on a monitor |
| 06:26.05 | acehigh | brb |
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| 06:29.28 | msshams | Hi, please tell me about difference of apache2-common and apache2 packages. |
| 06:30.43 | sep | msshams, the one that say -common contains common files you need no matter wich of the 4 worker modules you choose to use. |
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| 06:32.40 | sep | msshams, apt-cache show apache2.2-common is not a bad idea :) |
| 06:35.00 | msshams | sep: thank you, so can i move to apache2.2? note that is only has one package named apache2.2-common!! |
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| 06:38.57 | sep | yes but if you look at one of the mpm workers eg. apache2-mpm-prefork you will see that it depends on apache2.2-common |
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| 06:40.03 | msshams | sep: you are a good friend!! please tell more about mpm workers :) |
| 06:40.41 | streuner | msshams: did you ever read the docs about? |
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| 06:41.33 | msshams | streuner: in https.apache? |
| 06:41.37 | msshams | httpd.apache |
| 06:41.48 | `mac` | can i ask a question on bind or i sould go to bind chan.. |
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| 06:42.02 | streuner | would be a good start or/and /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 06:42.39 | sep | msshams, just apt-cache search apache2-mpm then apt-cache show each of them to learn more, you probably want mpm-perfork if you have php and are migrating from a apache 1.x install |
| 06:43.06 | sep | or just read the apache website. :) |
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| 07:15.44 | \amethyst | gzz () { tar -cvf - "$1"/ | gzip > "$1".tar.gz; } |
| 07:15.45 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 07:18.15 | predder | I'm writing an init script and I need to pass a certain user's uid and gid to an application. Are there any standard debian utilities that I can use to retrieve this information? |
| 07:18.37 | \amethyst | predder: getent and cut |
| 07:18.55 | \amethyst | predder: err, actually, id can do that |
| 07:19.32 | \amethyst | predder: id -u username |
| 07:20.08 | predder | exactly what I was looking for. Thanks \amethyst! |
| 07:20.13 | \amethyst | predder: I don't think ID has a way to look up a particular group though |
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| 07:21.03 | predder | just the "effective group" of that user is what i'm after |
| 07:21.15 | predder | so for example id -g predder returns what I need |
| 07:21.19 | \amethyst | predder: cool |
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| 07:22.23 | \amethyst | predder: the other way, if you're interested: getent passwd "$username" | cut -d: -f3 |
| 07:23.12 | \amethyst | both id and cut are in coreutils; getent is in libc |
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| 07:23.28 | \amethyst | so you can assume they all exist |
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| 07:24.19 | mx|asleep | sup maligor |
| 07:24.19 | karsten | Semi-OT: can a Linksys wireless router be used to connect to another wireless network? Sort of as a repeater? |
| 07:24.20 | mx|asleep | er |
| 07:24.22 | mx|asleep | Maliuta |
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| 07:28.27 | xingu | karsten: the feature you need is "WDS"; some of them can. |
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| 07:32.09 | Maliuta | mxmx: not much, just got back from may day celebrations :) |
| 07:32.12 | vslash | hi all ; i have installed a fresh debian from CD to USB Mass storage ; Lilo boot, kernel boot, initrd failed ; trouble is due to some delay in order to get /dev/sda* appearing where reside my /root ; modprobe show me sd_mod ; udevtrigger --verbose show me entry for /dev/sda ; ls /dev/sd* show me nothing ; i don't see any udevd running ; question is : how to change my initrd to wait until /dev/sda* devices appears, and how to triggered th |
| 07:32.12 | vslash | y thanks |
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| 07:33.08 | Maliuta | vslash: the point of initrd is it has the device nodes in it,until udev can come up properly |
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| 07:33.32 | johnf | anyone know the process for becoming a DM rather than a DD. Do you just fill out the form to become a DD or is there a different process? |
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| 07:34.53 | Maliuta | johnf: there is a sponsorship requirement I think |
| 07:35.27 | vslash | thanks, so why i don't see my /dev/sda* where reside my root ? |
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| 07:35.54 | vslash | (from initramfs) |
| 07:36.00 | johnf | Maliuta: I've read the wiki page and have all the requirements, just not sure how to kick it off though |
| 07:36.45 | ddalton | hey can someone tell me where to start with building my own livecd? I want to: use my own kernel, and edit some boot scripts and install packages I want eg. gnome... |
| 07:37.00 | johnf | hmm maybe I just send the email with the signed forms and file a bug |
| 07:37.46 | Maliuta | johnf: if I need info on something like that I just bug aj, but then I've known him since uni :) |
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| 07:38.31 | johnf | Maliuta: that was going to be my next step :) Know him well through organising LCA |
| 07:39.34 | Maliuta | I like to blame all debian brokenness on him ... it's just more fun that way |
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| 07:40.13 | gypsymauro | OT: I know is the wrong question to do but..there is a roadmap or a supposed date for the release of lenny?:) |
| 07:40.50 | Maliuta | gypsymauro: I think that it's on googleearth ;) |
| 07:41.05 | gypsymauro | lol |
| 07:41.09 | Maliuta | gypsymauro: you just search "lenny" ;) |
| 07:41.26 | Maliuta | It's like where's wally |
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| 07:42.59 | vslash | thanks, have a nice day |
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| 07:45.26 | shingouz | oi! my pppd dies screaming about an error 16 (modem hung up). as i cannot find any problem on my end, could it be that the other party has some problems? |
| 07:45.51 | shingouz | ...or maybe i *do* have a problem here but the wvdial connect log tells nothing more... |
| 07:46.20 | karsten | xingu: Linksys WRT54GL |
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| 07:48.37 | Supaplex | modem? what's that? I must be in dire need of sleep :p |
| 07:48.50 | xingu | karsten: openwrt or dd-wrt might be an option. |
| 07:49.00 | shingouz | Supaplex: stop complaining and get some caffeine :) |
| 07:49.10 | xingu | karsten: http://www.sylbek.eu/support/wrtgl-firmware/wrt54gl-as-wds-ap-en.html <-- google turns this up trivially |
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| 07:51.19 | shingouz | ok, lets ask the question in a slightly different manner. the computer i am trying to diagnose sits about 5000 miles away from me and the user is a complete noob. i was planning on getting a grep on /var/log/messages but i am not sure what to grep for. ppp? pppd? |
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| 07:53.56 | Bushmills | karsten: that's the model with 4 mb flash? |
| 07:54.00 | karsten | xingu: Yeah, looking into that. |
| 07:54.04 | karsten | Bushmills: Yes. |
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| 07:54.19 | Bushmills | karsten: should be fine. "meshing" is what you'd look at |
| 07:54.28 | karsten | Bushmills: Best I can tell the 'L' stands for "linux" |
| 07:54.43 | karsten | Bushmills: ... that's with the firmwar e replacement in it? |
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| 07:54.53 | karsten | Bushmills: ... or does the stock Linksys firmware do that? |
| 07:55.07 | Bushmills | no, that's the term for router-to-router connections |
| 07:55.32 | Bushmills | and i'd reflash. look at what xingu suggested |
| 07:55.53 | karsten | Yeah, just trying to get straight what's required. |
| 07:56.14 | karsten | This suggests that there's a mesh solution built on top of OpenWRT: http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/rich-tehrani/ip-communications/mesh-networks.html |
| 07:56.17 | Bushmills | there's a channel for those on freenode |
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| 07:56.57 | karsten | Several *wrt* channels according to chanserv. |
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| 07:57.16 | karsten | xingu: FYI, this looks good: http://www.the-mesh.org/tiki-index.php?page=Linksys+WRT54G |
| 07:58.12 | xingu | karsten: meshing ~= wds; true 802.11 meshing has to play funny buggers with timings to deal with hidden node issues etc; a good (survivable in dense topologies) mesh protocol is only barely 802.11 |
| 07:58.29 | karsten | xingu: OK. |
| 07:58.42 | xingu | karsten: I'm a big fan of keeping things simple, and wds is part of the standards-track |
| 07:59.15 | xingu | karsten: "meshing" can also mean introducing an igp (typically ospf) to deal with related layer3 issues fwiw |
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| 08:00.01 | vslash | Hi all ; question about initrd -> init-premount : where to set $ROOTDELAY parameter ? Thanks |
| 08:00.02 | nirupama | catsup, are you there |
| 08:00.07 | catsup | yep |
| 08:00.09 | nirupama | catsup, I was in a meeting |
| 08:00.27 | nirupama | catsup, u gave two links let me see those and get back to u |
| 08:00.57 | karsten | xingu: OK. So I guess the summary is: I can do what I want (bridge/share connections) via "meshing", which rwquires openwrt or dd-wrt. |
| 08:01.26 | Bushmills | or build a community network :) |
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| 08:01.59 | karsten | Bushmills: That too. I'm doing snarfnet at present ;-) |
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| 08:02.34 | xingu | karsten: seems that way yes (kit as supplied does not support wds) |
| 08:02.47 | karsten | xingu: Got it. Thanks. |
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| 08:12.50 | nirupama | catsup, There is options for device like "TV" does that mean its projector and is those lines common for all the projectors |
| 08:14.09 | nirupama | catsup, r u there |
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| 08:17.14 | maruz | amavis was broken after last apt-get upgrade on debian sid, it seems something re;ated perl 5.10 install, someone dows know how fix amavisd now? thnx |
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| 08:21.08 | nirupama | catsup, r u there |
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| 08:24.48 | jakeisawake | nirupama, dont see much activity . . . its late |
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| 08:25.10 | nirupama | jakeisawake, oh ok |
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| 08:25.31 | Fuzzy | where does debootstrap store it's scripts? |
| 08:25.53 | jim | does youtube provide a tool which debian packages that downloads a youtube video? |
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| 08:26.26 | jim | store it is scripts |
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| 08:26.32 | jim | ? |
| 08:26.38 | jakeisawake | Fuzzy, ? /usr/sbin/debootstrap is a script |
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| 08:26.50 | jakeisawake | jim, when you watch a youtube video they are downloaded to /tmp |
| 08:26.53 | Fuzzy | the scripts it uses to decide which files to use for which distro |
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| 08:27.14 | Fuzzy | if i tell it to bootstrap etch, it's reading a file somewhere |
| 08:27.19 | Fuzzy | where are those stored? |
| 08:27.21 | jakeisawake | some junk looking name like "/tmp/FlsvCDSfs" lol just move them to "somefile.flv" and youtube is yours |
| 08:27.39 | jakeisawake | Fuzzy, reading from where? what are you looking for. |
| 08:27.50 | jim | what's a flv? |
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| 08:28.05 | jakeisawake | flv . . flash . . .at least something mplayer likes to auto complete |
| 08:28.07 | Fuzzy | i'm looking to add hardy's bootstrap conf file to my debootstrap on etch |
| 08:28.30 | jakeisawake | Fuzzy, try "nano /usr/sbin/debootstrap" it is text. should show you where it finds everything |
| 08:28.38 | Fuzzy | thanks |
| 08:28.40 | jim | Fuzzy: check the debootstrap man page |
| 08:28.42 | Fuzzy | and btw nano sucks |
| 08:28.53 | Fuzzy | the debootstrap page didn't list it |
| 08:28.56 | Fuzzy | i looked there first |
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| 08:29.33 | jakeisawake | well i know nano sucks |
| 08:29.39 | jakeisawake | but people seem to hate vim too lol |
| 08:29.51 | bostko | http://fifa.f-games.org/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=10a814879bdf0bd3360079af76135886 |
| 08:30.05 | bostko | can you tell me why this error |
| 08:30.07 | bostko | apears |
| 08:30.18 | jakeisawake | hmm locate debootstrap shows all the stuff he wants but he is gone |
| 08:30.19 | jakeisawake | lol |
| 08:30.30 | bostko | i tried to export my forum from one host to another |
| 08:30.52 | jim | HAWT |
| 08:30.58 | jim | thanks jake |
| 08:31.11 | xingu | jim: I doubt that youtube are ever going to publish such a tool, the whole model is built around the idea of the world being glued to _their_ portal, not watching content offline in an unmetered fashion |
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| 08:31.38 | xingu | jim: obviously screen scraping is viable for anything published on the web |
| 08:31.53 | jim | I found a bunch of Kurt Elling stuff I want to show to my improv class |
| 08:32.11 | jim | and this is -perfect-... thank you so much |
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| 08:32.23 | sep | i am reading a script and am puzzeled by a command, what would this thing do ? ifconfig $iface >/dev/urandom ? iface = eth0 in this case. why giving output to /dev/urandom ? is it some scheme to give more entropy ? |
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| 08:34.04 | jim | I'll get some Dennis Chambers stuff and blow their minds too :) |
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| 08:34.58 | xingu | sep: per ...src/linux/drivers/char/random.c - it just seeds the prng |
| 08:35.08 | jim | I found a bunch of Kurt Elling stuff I want to show to my improv class, lagbolt |
| 08:35.12 | jim | and this is -perfect-... thank you so much |
| 08:35.12 | xingu | err, rng, not prng |
| 08:35.27 | lagbolt | yeah? |
| 08:35.51 | lagbolt | oh youtube stuff? |
| 08:36.03 | jim | yeah, I think I can show it to them not |
| 08:36.05 | jim | now |
| 08:36.08 | xingu | sep: "seed" as in "pushes into the entropy pool" |
| 08:36.12 | lagbolt | sweet |
| 08:36.29 | jim | just gotta make sure the audio from the sound card would feed a line level |
| 08:37.30 | xingu | says something about broadcast rights licensing |
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| 08:38.23 | sep | xingu, thanks :) |
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| 08:45.51 | delor | Where does Debian have config file, with Daemons runed at startup? |
| 08:46.23 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 08:46.24 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 08:46.33 | Maliuta | delor: it's a sysvinit system |
| 08:47.43 | delor | Guerin: no offence but I'm not gona read all that just to find answaer fo so small question |
| 08:47.54 | delor | Maliuta: gona look into it |
| 08:48.13 | Maliuta | delor: if you don't know what sysvinit is, read the docs |
| 08:48.28 | delor | Maliuta: I will, thx |
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| 09:00.57 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:00.58 | dpkg | <HostilePenguin> your smarter |
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| 09:01.10 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 09:01.10 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
| 09:01.23 | simonrvn | waves |
| 09:01.37 | liable | howdy |
| 09:01.42 | xingu | http://spectrum.ieee.org/may08/6171 |
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| 09:03.55 | mne | hi guys, is there a way to import a mbox file to an existing IMAP account ? One of my freshly setup mail clients deleted all the mails that were on the server. |
| 09:06.37 | mquin | mne: you can do that easily with mutt |
| 09:07.07 | mne | mquin, thanks. i'll try it |
| 09:07.09 | vslash | hello. booting fomr USB Disk - initrd question : i changed ROOTDELAY parameter to 20 in order my usb mass disk being up and udev (from init-premount) discover /dev/sda* ; my trouble is : ROOTDELAY parms is ignored by initrd (ENV report NULL value) ; i had cpio my initrd img, put it on /boot, verify /etc/lilo.conf, when i boot, ROOTDELAY is NULL ; any idea ? (i'm a BSD user, thanks) |
| 09:07.39 | AcTiVaTe | Debian has a BSD version? |
| 09:07.52 | fireba11 | wtf |
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| 09:08.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Debian has a BSD version!? |
| 09:08.21 | vslash | not at all, i try Linux |
| 09:08.32 | AcTiVaTe | Oh I misunderstood ;) |
| 09:08.38 | lagbolt | yeh there is a debian bsd |
| 09:08.39 | AcTiVaTe | You normally run BSD |
| 09:08.45 | AcTiVaTe | But now are trying Debian? |
| 09:08.45 | lagbolt | its debian running bsd kern |
| 09:08.47 | mquin | mne: open the mbox file 'mutt -F mbox', select all the messages then type 's' to save and when prompted put in the address of your imap server in the form imap://servername/INBOX |
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| 09:08.57 | vslash | yep |
| 09:09.07 | mne | mquin, thanks. that was quite verbose :) |
| 09:09.33 | mquin | :) |
| 09:09.44 | mquin | hope it helps |
| 09:10.02 | mne | mquin, I'll let you know in a minute ;) |
| 09:10.14 | maligor | kFreeBSD I guess? |
| 09:10.24 | vslash | yep |
| 09:10.47 | AcTiVaTe | vslash: Where did you specify the rootdelay=xx ? |
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| 09:11.20 | maligor | there's hurd too, for all you ignorant linux users :P |
| 09:11.25 | vslash | in order to wait my USB drive ready, allowing udev to discover my root which reside on /dev/sda* |
| 09:11.48 | xingu | maligor: and you'd have to be an ignorant user indeed to want to use it :p |
| 09:12.14 | mne | mquin, unfortunately, the file is in mozilla icedove format (which is raw mail text). Maybe I can convert it somehow |
| 09:12.19 | AcTiVaTe | vslash: Where, not why ;) |
| 09:12.23 | vslash | init-premount need this |
| 09:12.46 | dustybin | am i right in thinking that one should setup static IP on servers and use DHCP on clients to the server? |
| 09:12.48 | vslash | sorry ! |
| 09:12.50 | AcTiVaTe | vslash: Normally this is set in either /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:13.49 | vslash | i was seeing it on the initrd script which setting up ROOTDELAY= |
| 09:14.06 | vslash | in my case, i'm using lilo |
| 09:14.38 | AcTiVaTe | vslash: Then you will need to specify it in /etc/lilo.conf and run 'lilo' again afterwards to commit changes |
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| 09:16.17 | vslash | i understand better ; i can't run it 'cause i don't have Debian running. What i was trying is to change directly content of the file named /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6 |
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| 09:16.46 | mquin | mne: you should be able do pretty much the same thing in icedove, just drag the messages back to your IMAP folder |
| 09:17.15 | delor | Maliuta: thx for help but was that so hard to point me to rcconf? |
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| 09:17.40 | mne | mquin, that didn't work |
| 09:17.57 | AcTiVaTe | vslash: Never tried it that way so can't say if it will work ;) |
| 09:18.09 | xingu | vslash: assuming that's what your problem is - bypass lilo's automatic boot, and append your rootdelay= to the command line at its prompt when selecting an image manually. |
| 09:18.15 | mne | mquin, this funny icedove mbox file is the only thing i have left |
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| 09:19.08 | Talisker | hi, I started a remote Debian installation and my SSH session dropped during "select and install software" |
| 09:19.10 | vslash | xingu: i'll do that, it's the better way, after i would change my initrd properly, thanks |
| 09:19.29 | Talisker | Now whenever I try to restart that step I get a failure (regular red screen, no useful info) |
| 09:19.34 | Talisker | anyway to salvage that installation? |
| 09:20.38 | Dewi | anyone know how to change tab stops in an xterm? |
| 09:20.53 | Dewi | I've found some escape sequences but it's hard to figure out how they are meant to be used... |
| 09:21.03 | Dewi | GNU has something called 'termutils' but this is not in debian |
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| 09:21.54 | mne | Dewi, have you tried setterm (1) ? |
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| 09:22.17 | agenx_okley | hello |
| 09:23.14 | agenx_okley | hello depbhelper |
| 09:23.23 | agenx_okley | hello chanserv |
| 09:23.35 | Dewi | mne: appears to do nothing |
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| 09:23.54 | streuner_ | dpkg, say hi agenx_okley |
| 09:23.54 | dpkg | hi agenx_okley |
| 09:24.06 | agenx_okley | hi to.. |
| 09:24.12 | streuner_ | if you enjoy greetings from bots :-P |
| 09:24.17 | agenx_okley | can you help me.. |
| 09:24.43 | streuner_ | sure, but wait first, my crystal-thingie is in low state ;-) |
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| 09:24.57 | agenx_okley | can you help me..streuner_ |
| 09:25.03 | streuner_ | !ask |
| 09:25.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:26.58 | agenx_okley | i need shell account dpkg |
| 09:27.13 | agenx_okley | i need it for education. |
| 09:27.54 | streuner_ | aptitude install bloobot |
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| 09:28.15 | streuner_ | create your own channel and play with it |
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| 09:28.42 | agenx_okley | yes.. |
| 09:29.02 | streuner_ | !blootbot |
| 09:29.02 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
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| 09:31.33 | agenx_okley | please..sent me..shell account |
| 09:31.47 | agenx_okley | for root n password please.. |
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| 09:33.08 | agenx_okley | please |
| 09:36.14 | dryrot | i need a credit card number to make shell account |
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| 09:37.03 | Dewi | what does 'CSI Ps g' mean in xterm-ese? |
| 09:38.47 | Dewi | (oh, CSI is ESC[ and Ps is a parameter) |
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| 09:41.37 | vaenilicious | how to uninstall debian? |
| 09:42.01 | mosno | vaenilicious: you generally don't. just install another OS on top. |
| 09:42.06 | vaenilicious | okey, |
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| 09:43.48 | esteel | well maybe delete all the files or even the partition before hand :) |
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| 09:44.34 | petemc | microsoft have a page in their knowledgebase on how to install windows over linux |
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| 09:45.13 | petemc | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458 |
| 09:45.17 | jberg | hey. my computer keeps shutting down. is there a monitor application where i can see the temperature of the cpu or something? |
| 09:46.28 | markrian | On the Debian wiki, http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall tells you you can get 'an installation of KDE analogous to the KDE CD' by installing the package 'kde-desktop', but AFAICT, that package doesn't exist anywhere. Am I missing something? |
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| 09:46.45 | xingu | jberg: acpi -t, sensors |
| 09:46.58 | mosno | markrian: maybe via tasksel |
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| 09:47.26 | AcTiVaTe | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/lm-sensors |
| 09:47.44 | mosno | petemc: wow, Microsoft admit that Windows and Linux can co-exist on the same PC... |
| 09:47.47 | jberg | xingu: thanks |
| 09:48.15 | Raging_Hog | jberg: a cli solution(y-directorypaths-mv): cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature |
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| 09:49.07 | markrian | mosno, hmm, no, that only offers 'Desktop Environment', which gets GNOME. I guess I'll fix that wiki page then |
| 09:49.20 | jberg | Raging_Hog: what is a cli solution? |
| 09:49.27 | Raging_Hog | command-line |
| 09:49.31 | AcTiVaTe | doesn't that just do acpi -t? |
| 09:49.37 | jberg | xingu: i get no support for device type |
| 09:49.42 | mosno | markrian: ok |
| 09:49.49 | jberg | device type thermal* |
| 09:50.18 | jberg | is my monitor missing a thermometer or what? |
| 09:50.21 | slxix | AcTiVaTe: don't you mean the other way around? :) |
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| 09:50.40 | Raging_Hog | at least I don't even have acpi package installed |
| 09:50.43 | AcTiVaTe | slxix: I meant it boils down to the same yeah ;) |
| 09:50.45 | xingu | acpi's procfs stuff is deprecated afaik, unlearn that and use sysfs |
| 09:50.49 | jberg | Raging_Hog: no such file or directory |
| 09:51.01 | Dewi | markrian: bot says - "The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest." |
| 09:51.22 | Dewi | markrian: any one of those might be appropriate, I'm guessing kde-desktop task probably selected a relatively big one like 'kde' |
| 09:51.48 | Raging_Hog | jberg: thought so, I tried to say that your directory paths may vary. I found it with cat /proc/acp<TAB>/<TAB>/<TAB><TAB> |
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| 09:52.03 | jberg | Raging_Hog: ah ill check |
| 09:52.03 | xingu | acpi/acpi-support really ought to be essential/base on x86 these days |
| 09:52.10 | dustybin | Server 2008 better than linux? |
| 09:52.11 | dustybin | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/default.mspx |
| 09:52.24 | vaq | lol |
| 09:52.26 | jberg | xingu: this is an old asus card and an old athlon xp1800+ |
| 09:52.42 | rampage | Hey, I'm trying to modify a printer via the cups interface, but no matter what user I try to authorize with I get a failure. The settings are for localhost user @SYSTEM, how can I fix this error? |
| 09:52.44 | infinity0 | how do i link up libupse1 into rhythmbox so that it can play playstation PSF files? |
| 09:53.29 | jberg | Raging_Hog: i have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone but that directory is empty |
| 09:53.50 | xingu | dustybin: totally OT - but a certain Ghandi quote springs to mind. |
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| 09:54.27 | slxix | xingu: does sysfs replace /proc completely? or just take out the non-proc stuff? |
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| 09:54.52 | debian | !Ã¥sa |
| 09:54.56 | debian | !pastebin |
| 09:54.56 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 09:56.17 | xingu | slxix: per ... src/linux/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt: What: ACPI procfs interface/ When: July 2008/ Why: ACPI sysfs conversion should be finished by January 2008. |
| 09:57.13 | markrian | Dewi, I know about those packages, but I don't think they pull in some packages that are useful for a desktop user. As in, a base debian install with the 'kde' package installed is not that same as a KDE CD Debian install. |
| 09:57.29 | slxix | ah. |
| 09:58.14 | Dewi | markrian: what's a KDE CD Debian install? |
| 09:58.34 | Dewi | markrian: the bot in this channel mentions the kde-desktop task as well, but I don't have it, so I assume it has been phased out. |
| 09:59.01 | sep | Dewi, i guess he mean the task kde |
| 10:00.23 | Dewi | sep: there is no task kde |
| 10:00.32 | LV-426 | any good trick to keep track of 'make install' file changes besides a full directory tree diff ? |
| 10:01.04 | fireba11 | hi, i need to monitor connection attempts from a certain IP for a couple minutes ... i'm in a hurry, so i was hoping someone could tell me insteadof spending some time serching .. ? |
| 10:01.22 | sep | Dewi, i meant the one you mentioned |
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| 10:02.34 | Dewi | markrian: here is some kind of task file from the debian tasksel svn |
| 10:02.47 | Dewi | markrian: it might be a good representation of what was in that task when it was still being shipped |
| 10:02.51 | Dewi | markrian: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/tasksel/trunk/tasks/kde-desktop?rev=1921&view=log |
| 10:04.06 | Dewi | markrian: I'm not sure why there are so many tasks in there but so few in debian... |
| 10:04.21 | markrian | Thanks Dewi - and after some messing around with tasksel/aptitude, doing 'aptitude install kde-desktop' actually works, yet if you enter aptitude's UI, no such task or package exists! But aptitude is still aware of it. Bug, I'd say |
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| 10:04.54 | Dewi | markrian: really? It doesn't come in searches either; I checked for it |
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| 10:05.29 | Dewi | markrian: this works too - $ tasksel --task-packages kde-desktop |
| 10:05.50 | Dewi | markrian: so it's definitely a task, just not one it lists |
| 10:06.06 | Dewi | tasksel is a mysterious beast... |
| 10:06.13 | markrian | Evidently |
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| 10:06.45 | sep | well i have kde-desktop task as expected. its defined in /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc |
| 10:07.13 | sep | markrian, and aptitude can install tasks afaik. |
| 10:07.28 | INternat | whats the command to check if a package is installed properly? asin verify all files exist and md5sum? |
| 10:08.31 | markrian | sep - I can do 'aptitude install kde-desktop', and it pulls all the right packages, but in aptitude's UI, there is no mention of KDE in the Tasks top level directory |
| 10:10.12 | sep | markrian, i acn do tasks--end-user and i see KDE Desktop enviorment |
| 10:10.26 | markrian | sep, on debian etch? |
| 10:10.46 | sep | etch and lenny tried on both |
| 10:11.07 | markrian | sep, that's odd, it's not there for me in etch |
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| 10:11.52 | sep | that's odd. do you have it defined in /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc ? |
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| 10:13.59 | markrian | sep, yes, and this is a brand-new, clean etch install... |
| 10:14.49 | Dewi | sep: in current etch it's defined but hidden both in aptitude, tasksel UI, and tasksel --list-tasks |
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| 10:15.15 | Dewi | sep: I don't really understand it |
| 10:15.26 | Dewi | sep: similarly, "standard" is hidden after install |
| 10:15.35 | Dewi | sep: that's what I got annoyed at previously myself |
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| 10:15.58 | latitu | hi, i have dsl on one lan card and another lan card connected to an other pc. how can i make the other pc share the internet ? |
| 10:16.30 | sep | Dewi, its hidden as you say in tasksel --list-tasks but i see it in aptitude |
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| 10:16.39 | Dewi | !nat |
| 10:16.39 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 10:17.30 | Dewi | latitu: see ^^^^ nat used to be known to linux people as ipmasq, it's a standard feature of iptables |
| 10:18.04 | Dewi | (NAT is actually a more general term but most people use it to mean what you mean) |
| 10:19.09 | markrian | sep, Dewi, there's property in /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc called 'Test-new-install:', and under the kde-desktop task it's set to 'skip skip', and under the 'standard' task, it's set to 'mark skip'. No other task has this type of property. I guess that'd be why it's not showing up? |
| 10:19.25 | latitu | Dewi no gui ? |
| 10:19.49 | slxix | latitu, reread what dpkg wrote. look for GUI. |
| 10:19.53 | Dewi | latitu: personally I use shorewall firewall to manage my iptables rules, but it's file-based, not GUI |
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| 10:20.15 | sep | latitu, i would use shorewall it's very easy and gui's are just adding confusion :) |
| 10:21.28 | slxix | doesn't it only take two or three rules to masquerade? :) |
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| 10:21.44 | Dewi | nods. Shorewall needs you to edit about 4 files where you list your network zones, physical interfaces, and policy |
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| 10:22.09 | latitu | hm |
| 10:22.26 | latitu | for now. how do i assigg a static ip to the other computer? |
| 10:22.29 | Dewi | slxix: yes, even in iptables it's very simple, but shorewall makes a nice model |
| 10:22.52 | Dewi | latitu: machines can use whatever IPs you want |
| 10:22.57 | slxix | pfft. i feel outdated. |
| 10:23.02 | joako | hello, i gotta a question , i cant see my laptop on my networks. im working debian[pc] to debian[lap] but it seems like they dont recognize each other.. |
| 10:23.07 | joako | any help? |
| 10:23.23 | Dewi | latitu: as long as they are connected and on the same subnet with appropriate default gateway they should be able to talk |
| 10:23.34 | fireba11 | joako: too unspecific |
| 10:23.41 | slxix | latitu, you assign a static ip for the other computer on that computer. |
| 10:24.09 | Dewi | joako: machines don't just "see" eachother on networks, that's a windows thing |
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| 10:24.35 | joako | sorry i come from windows., so i was expecting that |
| 10:24.46 | Dewi | joako: you can use the windows approach by installing 'samba' and 'winbind', that will set up what windows calls "file and print sharing" |
| 10:24.47 | latitu_ | for now. how do i assigg a static ip to the other computer? |
| 10:24.52 | fireba11 | even with windows that doesn't always work :-) |
| 10:24.55 | latitu_ | i was disconected. sory........ |
| 10:25.01 | slxix | latitu, what OS does the other computer run? :) |
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| 10:25.03 | fireba11 | latitu_ : /etc/network |
| 10:25.06 | Dewi | 20:22:51 < Dewi> latitu: machines can use whatever IPs you want |
| 10:25.08 | Dewi | 20:23:22 < Dewi> latitu: as long as they are connected and on the same subnet with appropriate default gateway they should be able to talk |
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| 10:25.27 | joako | ok samba i get it .....gonna read |
| 10:25.38 | latitu_ | fireba11 if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d interfaces |
| 10:25.59 | fireba11 | latitu_: sorry, interfaces of course |
| 10:25.59 | Dewi | joako: samba is the services part, winbind inserts windows naming as part of the standard name resolutions network apps will do |
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| 10:26.34 | latitu_ | fireba11 what to change there? |
| 10:26.55 | Dewi | joako: although, things like nautilus might start to "see" other machines even without samba and winbind |
| 10:27.21 | Dewi | joako: but machines are generally only visible at all if they are offering services, this is true even in windows |
| 10:28.09 | joako | oh........when i start windows on my laptop, my debian was able to see it... but now i start debian on the laptop , my debian[pc] dont recognize |
| 10:28.49 | sep | joako, perhaps you have no shares from the debian on the laptop ? (i assume you mean samba) |
| 10:28.56 | Dewi | joako: only if you have "file and printer sharing" turned on on your laptop, and allowed through Windows Firewall |
| 10:29.11 | Dewi | joako: on linux that is like installing the samba daemon |
| 10:29.30 | slxix | i'd start by pinging one or the other. |
| 10:29.31 | Dewi | joako: then your windows machine is likely to see the linux machine |
| 10:29.47 | joako | ok get it ...gonna try samba |
| 10:29.48 | Dewi | joako: if you want linux to be able to resolve windows-like names and "see" the windows machine you should install winbind |
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| 10:31.20 | joako | what i want, is my desktop with debian .....recognize my laptop which is using debian too..... |
| 10:31.49 | joako | i suppose i can do it with samba?right? |
| 10:31.58 | slxix | depends on what you mean by recognize. |
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| 10:32.13 | joako | been able to share files |
| 10:33.12 | lagbolt | debian to debian why not use nfs |
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| 10:34.09 | slxix | or turn on sshd :) |
| 10:35.09 | slxix | !nfs |
| 10:35.09 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 10:35.43 | slxix | lagbolt, i suppose that's why. |
| 10:36.34 | lagbolt | ooo ssh tenneled |
| 10:36.52 | lagbolt | nfs is not secure but if you have a secure local network why not |
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| 10:37.08 | lagbolt | i have 4 machines sharing nfs for 5 years and never a single problem |
| 10:37.21 | lagbolt | it is all about application . . . what do you need and what does what you need |
| 10:37.26 | AcTi | for a LAN NFS is the bomb |
| 10:37.50 | AcTi | A *nix LAN that is ;) |
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| 10:38.21 | slxix | windows must have nfs support, atleast by a third party driver. |
| 10:38.52 | xingu | I suspect whoever wrote that factoid lacked design experience at the time |
| 10:39.47 | xingu | the only part of the nfs model which is weak security-wise is that it uses a per-client-host rather than per-client-user security domain |
| 10:40.05 | xingu | as for the performance and stability jibes - pure horseshit. |
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| 10:40.47 | mquin | slxix: NFS support is part of Services for Unix (SFU) http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742523.aspx |
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| 10:42.12 | Dewi | xingu: isn't it all IP-based? |
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| 10:43.03 | xingu | Dewi: isn't what? |
| 10:43.08 | Dewi | xingu: if you have clients with varying IP addresses in a usual DHCP setup, it seemed a bit difficult to secure last time I looked into it... so I've just used CIFS where needed |
| 10:43.42 | Dewi | anyone know whether column position 1 has a tab stop? |
| 10:43.48 | Dewi | I am seeing conflicting reports :P |
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| 10:44.31 | Dewi | I *think* it doesn't |
| 10:44.38 | latitu | fireba11 what to change there? |
| 10:44.43 | slxix | column position 1 for what? |
| 10:44.54 | mquin | the problem with NFS historically (may have been fixed in 4 - been a long time since I looked at this) is that is assumes that clients are completely trusted. If a malicious user has the ability to change his UID on the client he can access other's files. |
| 10:44.55 | Dewi | slxix: tab stops in terminal |
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| 10:46.24 | slxix | dewi, i'm still not sure what you're talking about. so i probably don't have a valuable answer. :) |
| 10:46.41 | Dewi | slxix: hehe |
| 10:46.49 | salvin | -- --- --- |
| 10:47.08 | Dewi | slxix: I mess with text in console a *lot*, and it's bothered me for years that I cna't change the tab stops |
| 10:47.22 | Dewi | slxix: all the old utils don't seem to work today |
| 10:47.30 | Dewi | slxix: or are unavailable in debian |
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| 10:47.39 | slxix | ooh, i get it. |
| 10:47.43 | Dewi | slxix: but I seem to have the ingredients now to bash script it |
| 10:50.03 | xingu | Dewi: kerberize the client and server, use nfs4 |
| 10:50.51 | Dewi | xingu: I don't really know where to start with kerberos and PAM |
| 10:50.56 | Dewi | xingu: I have nfi about them |
| 10:51.06 | xingu | right, but that's not nfs's problem |
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| 10:51.30 | xingu | here's a few thoughts - http://media.netapp.com/documents/tr_3387.pdf |
| 10:52.20 | xingu | the point is that your cifs shared secret is weaker than a kerberized host pricipal |
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| 10:52.51 | Dewi | xingu: at least it exists by default |
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| 10:53.35 | xingu | ... and at that point (where we're going down the rabbit hole discussing vendor default configuration) is where I rapidly lose interest |
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| 10:53.41 | Dewi | xingu: modern authentication systems seem nebulous to me, I just have literally no idea where to start |
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| 10:54.01 | xingu | again, this isn't nfs's problem; there's books on such things |
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| 10:54.21 | Dewi | xingu: don't I need to reconfigure *everything* to use kerberos to use it in that context? |
| 10:54.37 | Haris1 | Guys, I need help. No one in #exim is responding |
| 10:54.47 | Haris1 | I'm stuck with DCconfig_DEBCONFconfigtypeDEBCONF = 1 |
| 10:54.58 | xingu | Dewi: your clients need to be able to obtain a host principal from the kdc, yes |
| 10:55.03 | Haris1 | no matter if I set it to 2 or 3 or any other value, I can't get it to be configtype= internet |
| 10:55.06 | Haris1 | How do I do it? |
| 10:56.17 | Haris1 | Secondly, is there a place where debian declares values against macros used in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template? grep -iR MACRO_NAME /etc/exim4/* returns nothing that one can configure. Its frustrating me |
| 10:56.19 | xingu | Dewi: from my perspective the cifs approach is twice as bad as nfs'; one, it leaves you with the illusion that the alternative is worse; two, it leaves you with the illusion that what you've implemented is worth a damn security-wise. |
| 10:57.12 | xingu | Dewi: there's been _bugs_ in cifs clients before that allow them to disclose their per-share stored secrets to any random remote system |
| 10:57.39 | Dewi | xingu: I guess my opinion basically depends on whether or not a *debian* machine naturally lends itself to PAM/kerberos being added into the mix |
| 10:57.50 | Dewi | xingu: and I just don't know, because I don't know where to start |
| 10:57.56 | xingu | variations on the mschap password retrieval bugs for anyone with memory that log |
| 10:57.59 | xingu | s/log/long/ |
| 10:58.51 | Dewi | xingu: I mean, even if I put the kerberos model in my head, I don't know how that model intersects with the more traditional unix system, what's in /etc/passwd etc |
| 10:59.00 | xingu | Dewi: it does, but you'll need to invest some legwork in learning how the components fit together; first, bootstrap a kdc; next, bootstrap client authentication and ticketing for network service; finally, add nfs4 into the mix |
| 10:59.20 | slxix | chap? you mean minicom? |
| 10:59.35 | Dewi | xingu: I've actually got a fresh install in vmware waiting for me to play with this stuff |
| 10:59.45 | xingu | I mean broken implementations of essentially weak protocols |
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| 11:00.00 | Dewi | xingu: do clients tend to access kerb via PAM or some kerb-specific API? |
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| 11:00.42 | xingu | Dewi: the client code itself tends to get kerberized; kerberos is not a directory service, it's a ticketing/ grant system |
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| 11:00.57 | ex1stenz | http://www.colectionarul.com/existenz1.html |
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| 11:01.07 | xingu | Dewi: if you want distributed credentias, ldap-ssl is the go |
| 11:01.12 | slxix | ex1stenz: what is that? |
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| 11:01.35 | Dewi | xingu: so to pick a random example, does opensshd need to know about kerberos or is PAM sufficient? |
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| 11:02.32 | slxix | this should be an interesting answer. |
| 11:02.36 | latitu_ | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9729/41823606xq6.png please see this ? |
| 11:03.13 | xingu | Dewi: ldd /usr/sbin/sshd | grep libkrb5support |
| 11:03.29 | slxix | latitu, mm.. try eth0 and eth1 instead? |
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| 11:03.31 | jberg | now i've added cooling paste to the cpu, hope that fixes the problem :X |
| 11:03.36 | Dewi | xingu: fair enough :) |
| 11:03.52 | Dewi | xingu: I'll stop bullying you for information now :) |
| 11:03.57 | xingu | grins |
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| 11:04.31 | Dewi | xingu: hopefully one day soon there is a quiet day at work and I can fire up the VM and really wreck a machine a few times trying the different approaches |
| 11:04.43 | Dewi | xingu: maybe even 2 machines, heh |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xdvi.bin' returned no results. |
| 11:05.10 | xingu | mquin: yes, as I said nfs has a per-client-host not per-client-user security domain; but the question is - is _assuming_ that the client is actually capable of keeping its own user contexts separate really that clever anyway? |
| 11:05.24 | xingu | mquin: again this looks like a really good way to cook in really bad design flaws. |
| 11:05.31 | jberg | what are some other fun stuff i should install? right now i only have the basesystem |
| 11:06.39 | slxix | jberg, xjump |
| 11:07.19 | jberg | hmm :) |
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| 11:10.24 | slxix | slow and steady wins the race. :P |
| 11:10.29 | mquin | NFS is pretty much a victim of when it was designed - when you've only got a few machines with the same administration and security policies then it' weaknesses arent a big deal. Once you take away central control it breaks down, badly. |
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| 11:11.09 | ex1stenz | http://www.colectionarul.com/existenz1.html |
| 11:11.23 | slxix | ex1stenz: is that spam? |
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| 11:12.57 | xingu | mquin: absolutely; clients and servers must be members of _a_ trust domain; but the same is true of any remote data access protocol |
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| 11:14.06 | xingu | mquin: if you want to sinbin each client into partitioned but untrusted domains, you can do that too - multiple namespaces, multiple nfsd's, one hypervisor |
| 11:14.16 | slxix | xingu, isn't that also true of copying files to removable media and using it between computers? |
| 11:14.29 | xingu | it's the nature of the beast |
| 11:14.42 | xingu | if you accept remote access to local data, you must colour it. |
| 11:15.09 | larstr | slxix: probably.. also in some unknown language (.it ?) |
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| 11:15.47 | slxix | larstr: huh? :) (i feel slow tonight.) |
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| 11:16.15 | larstr | slxix: ex1stenz spam |
| 11:16.16 | Bushmills | xingu, a DNS, as server, and resolver, as client, don't need to be members of a trust domain. |
| 11:16.34 | slxix | larstr: oh, i never looked. :) |
| 11:16.53 | larstr | slxix: I opened it in lynx |
| 11:16.59 | xingu | Bushmills: yes they do; the client is trusting the server not to feed it horseshit and the server is trusting the client to stay vaguely onspec and not floor all other clients also relying on the directory |
| 11:17.09 | larstr | and he's nw also spamming other channels |
| 11:17.27 | Bushmills | xingu: in that case is the whole of internet a trust domain? |
| 11:17.45 | Bushmills | there are - functional - public DNS after all |
| 11:17.49 | xingu | Bushmills: not a single trust domain, but each client/server access is. |
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| 11:19.02 | xingu | Bushmills: where you have multiple clients accessing a single instance (multiaccess topology) you have a trust domain that extends across the whole group |
| 11:19.14 | ootput | is lenny code currently in a semi-freeze atm? |
| 11:19.24 | ootput | ie, mostly frozen, save for a handful of packages? |
| 11:19.30 | xingu | anyway, this was dull a decade ago when people stopped paying me to do it and it's not got any more fun in the intervening years |
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| 11:21.11 | slxix | xingu: now what do you do for geekfun? :) |
| 11:22.01 | xingu | slxix: network management (the systems and app support bit, not the hands-on bit) |
| 11:23.02 | atoz | hi all...this site indonesian debian gnu/linux community...www.debian-id.org |
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| 11:23.36 | atoz | and next time release debian-id magazine for debian gnu/linux user... |
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| 11:23.41 | fafnir0 | http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/apt-get_wife.png |
| 11:23.47 | esteel | is there a way to make X try two different drivers for my graphic cards? my laptop can use some buildin intel chipset graphic card or the 'real' nvidia card.. i want X to just work regardless of which card i use.. |
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| 11:25.03 | slxix | esteel, how do you switch between them? |
| 11:25.27 | esteel | slxix: thats the sad part.. using a windows program :( |
| 11:26.10 | slxix | and you use the builtin intel to save power? :) |
| 11:27.04 | esteel | slxix: yes indeed.. the 8800m is not really known to save power.. so the internal chipset card just has to use less power ;) |
| 11:28.18 | xingu | esteel: you can probably just put two device sections into your xorg.conf and set driver/busid as appropriate |
| 11:28.38 | slxix | http://www.linux.com/articles/113516 |
| 11:28.44 | slxix | perhaps that might help. |
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| 11:29.04 | slxix | it's for dual-head, but you can modify to work for you. |
| 11:29.07 | xingu | esteel: does the nvidia actually disappear off the end of lspci when it's switched off? |
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| 11:29.49 | esteel | xingu: but the identifier is used in the screen section.. should i add both there? |
| 11:29.56 | esteel | xingu: or try the same name? |
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| 11:30.34 | ToYKillAS | hi |
| 11:30.35 | esteel | xingu: it just has to disappear.. its powered off to save money. but good idea to check |
| 11:30.37 | ToYKillAS | which tools can i use to test my lan speed ? |
| 11:30.50 | bijur | hello |
| 11:30.55 | bijur | hello, world |
| 11:30.55 | xingu | esteel: hence the question - I'm not sure how xorg's error path actually works in that regard (ie where you have devices known to a screen but not detected) |
| 11:30.56 | esteel | xingu: hmm oh right in that case i just can give the other driver the same name, should work.. |
| 11:31.30 | esteel | well, will test it later, at work currently :) |
| 11:31.31 | xingu | esteel: maybe, it's worth a shot; as a very last resort you can use serverlayouts and -t start option, but that's admittedly grubby |
| 11:31.56 | xingu | esteel: probably better to build two screens, two device names, and let xorg deal with whatever it finds |
| 11:32.50 | esteel | xingu: i guess so.. well it was worth asking, maybe someone else did that before. |
| 11:33.25 | slxix | isn't it the same as dual-head? :) |
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| 11:34.29 | Mnabil_work | hello, guys, how can autmount usb devices without X using hal ? |
| 11:34.34 | esteel | slxix: well with dual head you normally have both cards present.. but on the other hand so far i only setup a single card with two monitors.. thats working |
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| 11:35.18 | q-tip | quit |
| 11:35.29 | slxix | xingu's last comment was to do something very similar (if not the same) as dual head. hopefully one will load while the other quietly fails. |
| 11:35.51 | esteel | slxix: well i'll try it :) thanks so far |
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| 11:37.55 | slxix | it'd be a shame not to document what you learn. where's the knowledgebase at? :) |
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| 11:38.28 | abrotman | !autmount |
| 11:38.32 | abrotman | !automount |
| 11:38.32 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
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| 11:40.02 | abrotman | ToYKillAS: netcat |
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| 11:41.14 | ToYKillAS | thanks |
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| 11:42.00 | esteel | slxix: i'l comeback to that :) |
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| 11:42.18 | slxix | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234105 |
| 11:42.54 | slxix | that has you set up an rc script to probe which video card shows up, then copies the appropriate config file. :P |
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| 11:44.41 | slxix | that's all the googlebraining i'm doing on that subject.. |
| 11:46.02 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 11:49.00 | Zacaa | hello |
| 11:49.23 | slxix | hi. |
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| 11:50.17 | Zacaa | I'm wonder how I could get the nvidia-bug-report.log on my debian system ? :) |
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| 11:51.04 | slxix | you have one but can't find it? |
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| 11:52.06 | Zacaa | yeah well, I don't know where to even start looking :) |
| 11:52.30 | slxix | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46678 |
| 11:53.09 | Zacaa | I've read that and thank you :) but where is my PATH? |
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| 11:54.51 | slxix | that means you should just be able to type 'nvidia-bug-report.sh' from the command line and it should run. |
| 11:54.58 | xNinja | hello...if iam at work and i have linux server at home... and i want to do http over ssh tunnel from work to the home to internet...do i need proxy server at my home server? |
| 11:55.55 | Twigathy | Shouldn't need to; take a look at "ssh -ND" and the FoxyProxy firefox extension |
| 11:56.58 | slxix | Zacaa: am I helping? |
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| 11:57.31 | Zacaa | Yes thank you, I figured it out now :) |
| 11:57.38 | Zacaa | I need to report this error that I'm getting |
| 11:57.45 | Zacaa | X won't start when I have GLX enabled |
| 11:57.56 | Zacaa | it just starts up into a black screen |
| 11:58.03 | xNinja | Twigathy nice...and in the general way all what i need is ssh -ND and setup my browser proxy? |
| 11:58.04 | Zacaa | would you maybe have any idea what that may be? |
| 11:58.13 | Twigathy | xNinja: pretty much it :) |
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| 11:58.16 | Zacaa | When I disable GLX nvidia and everything else works fine |
| 11:58.20 | Skratz0r | Zacaa; your path should be /bin |
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| 11:58.31 | Skratz0r | Or check ~/.bash_profile |
| 11:58.32 | Zacaa | and what's really strange, is that GLX does work the FIRST time that I start X |
| 11:58.41 | Zacaa | but as soon as I reboot my machine, GLX stops working |
| 11:58.48 | slxix | ? |
| 11:58.48 | Twigathy | FoxyProxy is a w00t extension, you can switch on and off proxying, only proxy certain URLs etc... |
| 11:58.48 | Zacaa | If I don't reboot, GLX works |
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| 12:01.14 | slxix | Zacaa: Do you use any GL programs? |
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| 12:01.56 | Zacaa | Yes, I do indend to but I can't just yet because I can't get it working.. it only works that first time after I've installed the drivers, otherwise it doesn't work after I reboot |
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| 12:02.05 | Lovecraft | So, after an update of Debian testing, the X configs are screwy and dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't fix it. |
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| 12:02.29 | xNinja | Twigathy let me try...thanks :D |
| 12:03.15 | abrotman | Lovecraft: going to need more info |
| 12:03.15 | Twigathy | heh, np |
| 12:03.42 | slxix | Zacaa, oh. Odd. Good luck with your bug report. :) |
| 12:04.04 | extor | Ok if I have a street address in a business district, how do I find out if it is a legit office or if it is a maildrop address? |
| 12:04.05 | Zacaa | haha thank you :) |
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| 12:04.16 | Lovecraft | Thats as good as it gets. dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stops when it gets to the mouse section, and writes an xorg.conf with no details about X server or hardware or anything in it. |
| 12:04.31 | slxix | i was lucky to get GL working on my laptop. then I disabled it. :P |
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| 12:04.54 | Lovecraft | No detection of video hardware. |
| 12:05.19 | Lovecraft | No detection of monitor resolution. |
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| 12:06.26 | abrotman | and lspci shows your VGA right ? |
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| 12:07.00 | Lovecraft | It was all working until I did an upgrade this morning and most of X was upgeaded. |
| 12:07.11 | abrotman | did the dist-upgrade finish completely? |
| 12:07.36 | Lovecraft | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 12:07.48 | Lovecraft | Yup, sure did; no interupts. |
| 12:08.00 | Lovecraft | No errors. |
| 12:09.13 | Lovecraft | The old config doesn't work right either. |
| 12:09.34 | Lovecraft | It give the wrong res when I specify 1280x1024 |
| 12:09.57 | Lovecraft | Its broke, doc. |
| 12:10.42 | Lovecraft | I suppose I could try hacing up an X config file, but I don't need it at the moment. |
| 12:11.08 | Lovecraft | hello? |
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| 12:16.35 | jberg | uhm, to install flashplayer i need to enter the installation path of my browser (iceweasel), where is that? i installed with apt |
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| 12:18.01 | Zoup | how can i set to not upgrade regex of some package ( example : '*2.6.24*' for kernel-image-2.6.24.* ) in apt.conf file ? |
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| 12:18.23 | arctanx | jbasse: use the `which` command to find where iceweasel is. `man which` if you don't know that command |
| 12:18.45 | arctanx | jberg: ** |
| 12:19.01 | Trewas | Lovecraft: afaik dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not supposed to set up video hw and monitor settings anymore, as they are detected automagically when X is started |
| 12:19.20 | Lovecraft | The installation path will be like /usr/share/mozilla or /usr/share/iceweasel or /usr/lib/<somethingorother> |
| 12:19.20 | jberg | hm yes, i chose /usr/lib/iceweasel, not sure if i should have chose /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 12:19.24 | arctanx | jberg: though keep in mind it may actually want a library dirctory |
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| 12:19.52 | arctanx | yeah the first one sounds right |
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| 12:20.02 | halflife08 | hello folks, how does determine what family the processor belongs to? i have looked at /proc/cpuinfo and all it says is Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz, i am trying to find out more details about the processor, as i need to verify if it supports hardware virtualization |
| 12:20.12 | jberg | yep seems to work |
| 12:20.36 | halflife08 | i am trying to find out the model number so that i can compare it with info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization |
| 12:21.26 | Lovecraft | "you're" |
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| 12:23.20 | foobar8 | halflife08: to find out wether the cpu supports virtualization afair you look at the flags |
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| 12:24.00 | halflife08 | foobar8:hmmn does the flag just say vt? or what should it be |
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| 12:25.03 | foobar8 | halflife08: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Xen/InstallingHVMDomU ("Checking your hardware") |
| 12:25.26 | foobar8 | halflife08: vmx or svm |
| 12:25.47 | halflife08 | foobar8: thank you |
| 12:26.11 | foobar8 | halflife08: but also read the part about bios settings |
| 12:26.33 | halflife08 | foobar8: sure will do |
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| 12:28.16 | Zoup | if i set aptitude hold <packagename> , does package get autoamtic updated if i ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade daily ? |
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| 12:30.05 | abrotman | Lovecraft: sorry .. work is work :) |
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| 12:30.18 | Lovecraft | Ah .. yes. |
| 12:30.23 | abrotman | Lovecraft: you're using the radeon driver right? |
| 12:30.29 | Lovecraft | Yup. |
| 12:30.42 | abrotman | Lovecraft: aptitude install xorg .. does it try to install additional stuff ? |
| 12:30.49 | Lovecraft | Let me look |
| 12:31.12 | Lovecraft | None |
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| 12:31.37 | asdzxc | hi |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg .. make any difference? |
| 12:31.45 | asdzxc | anyone knows what happened to the mod_cband project ? |
| 12:31.51 | abrotman | Lovecraft: FWIW .. you're not the first person to have this issue, it might be in the BTS |
| 12:31.51 | Lovecraft | No, I tried that too. |
| 12:32.15 | Lovecraft | I'll just wait til they get it fixed upstream. |
| 12:32.43 | Lovecraft | But thanks for yoyr time. |
| 12:32.48 | abrotman | it's not an upstream problem .. i'm using Lenny and X works fine |
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| 12:33.38 | Lovecraft | If its not, how did an upgrade break it? Why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stop half way? |
| 12:34.06 | abrotman | Lovecraft: that's what i'm saying .. it's a bug in the debian stuff |
| 12:34.45 | abrotman | Lovecraft: let's go through the steps .. which mouse device are you giving the config? |
| 12:35.19 | abrotman | you said it crashes after the mouse question right ? |
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| 12:35.49 | abrotman | i wonder if gravity knows about this issue |
| 12:36.13 | Lovecraft | abrotman: It doesn't get that far. It gets to asking about if I wan't to emulate a thre button mouse, I say no, I hit enter, it write a useless xorg.conf. |
| 12:36.27 | abrotman | if you say yes? same thing? |
| 12:36.34 | Lovecraft | Let me look] |
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| 12:37.24 | Lovecraft | The same. It stops there with: |
| 12:37.25 | Lovecraft | xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration |
| 12:37.25 | Lovecraft | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:38.04 | abrotman | oh .. cinco demayo |
| 12:38.06 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 12:38.32 | Lovecraft | We should have some leaves by now; we had 50" of snow in April. |
| 12:38.41 | scanwinder | Does anybody know how to find the battery status on a macbook? acpi just yields: "No support for device type: battery" |
| 12:38.46 | abrotman | !xmd5sum |
| 12:38.46 | dpkg | from memory, xmd5 is If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum -" -- if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 12:38.53 | abrotman | but .. supposedly that was gone |
| 12:39.26 | Lovecraft | I hadn't edited it. |
| 12:39.49 | Lovecraft | but... |
| 12:39.50 | abrotman | but it doesn't match the md5sum for some reason .. |
| 12:39.59 | abrotman | but that whole issue was supposed to have to have gone away |
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| 12:40.39 | Lovecraft | same thing. |
| 12:40.54 | scanwinder | so nobody knows how to find the battery status on a macbook then? :P |
| 12:41.02 | Lovecraft | Ifg I tear it all out and do it again, will that do it, I wonder? |
| 12:42.46 | Lovecraft | Well, its baaaack! heh |
| 12:43.01 | abrotman | Lovecraft: back? |
| 12:43.18 | Lovecraft | <abrotman> but that whole issue was supposed to have to have gone away |
| 12:43.24 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 12:43.42 | abrotman | i'll ask gravity about it next time i see him around ..or the whole issue in general |
| 12:43.57 | vvd | Lovecraft: have you tried X -configure ? |
| 12:45.05 | Lovecraft | vvd: I haven't, but that isn't the issue. Let me see though |
| 12:45.31 | abrotman | it may solve the ultimate issue .. of X not working .. but debconf shouldn't be diong that i don't think |
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| 12:45.41 | vvd | Lovecraft: yeah, just to get the X back without hassle |
| 12:46.03 | abrotman | though i've also been told that the xorg.conf isn't really even required anymore |
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| 12:56.05 | teenage_kossan | hey ppl, anyone who could help me out with a little problem I've got? |
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| 12:56.52 | teenage_kossan | see, I've just 'make install'-ed mysql 5.1, but now when I want to start it (with 'mysql'), I get this: |
| 12:56.59 | nirupama | I have a .ppt file |
| 12:57.05 | teenage_kossan | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | teenage_kossan: you mean `aptitude install mysql` ? |
| 12:57.12 | nirupama | It does not cover whole screen when I do view slide show |
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| 12:57.30 | teenage_kossan | abrotman: no, the thing is, mysql 5.1 is still an rc |
| 12:57.33 | nirupama | but same ppt file opens full screen covering the whole screen in a normal desktop machione |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | teenage_kossan: i'd guess you want to ask #mysql |
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| 12:57.50 | nirupama | how to make the ppt to open in full screen mode covering the entire space in laptop |
| 12:57.54 | teenage_kossan | abrotman: =) I guess so |
| 12:58.00 | abrotman | nirupama: your viewer probably has a full screen mode |
| 12:58.15 | nirupama | abrotman, which viewer |
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| 12:58.36 | abrotman | the one oyu're using ? |
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| 12:58.45 | abrotman | nirupama: this is on Debian right? |
| 12:58.50 | nirupama | abrotman, I am using openoffice |
| 12:58.52 | khaled | is there a ping utility called mbr ? |
| 12:58.58 | nirupama | abrotman, how to check that |
| 12:59.03 | JyZyXEL | anyone know if there is any standard for beep error codes? |
| 12:59.08 | mplex | is there a collection of alternative but fairly well tested kernel packages for etch? I am having problems with the bigmem kernel, but would rather not compile my own in this case |
| 12:59.10 | abrotman | right, i'm sure Impress or whatever it is has a full screen mode .. look in the "View" or Window menu |
| 12:59.16 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: not even close |
| 12:59.19 | JyZyXEL | damn |
| 12:59.40 | JyZyXEL | i have a motherboard that i completely undocumented |
| 12:59.41 | abrotman | mplex: etchnhalf has a .24 |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: so ask #hardware .. not us |
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| 13:00.09 | mplex | abrotman: thanks I'll take a look |
| 13:00.16 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 13:00.16 | dpkg | etchnhalf is probably "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Installer images at etchnhalf is also Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 13:00.25 | o2T7 | hi, I see some manpages packages for c++ standard library functions on ftp servers ( i.e. gcc.gnu.org). Are these manpages available on lenny's official repositories? |
| 13:00.36 | abrotman | mplex: there's also a .24 at backports.org .. /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions carefully |
| 13:00.36 | nirupama | abrotman, there is view slide show but it does not cover my entire screen |
| 13:00.48 | Wyzard | khaled: there's a package called "mbr", but it has nothing to do with networks |
| 13:00.57 | Wyzard | khaled: You might be thinking of mtr |
| 13:01.05 | esteel | btw i can't m-a i-a the nvidia drivers with 2.6.25.. a known problem? |
| 13:01.16 | abrotman | it's unstable ? |
| 13:01.26 | esteel | abrotman: yeah |
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| 13:01.42 | abrotman | it's unstable ? |
| 13:01.43 | mplex | k |
| 13:01.57 | abrotman | nirupama: ask the openoffice people .. slideshow goes fullscreen on my system |
| 13:02.01 | nirupama | abrotman, openoffice 2.2 |
| 13:02.14 | Lovecraft | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/Hryj8m17.html This is what the standard Debian X config thangers give me now. I started with an empty xorg.conf, correct md5sum as don'e above. |
| 13:02.16 | abrotman | nirupama: is it a widescreen laptop ? |
| 13:02.27 | nirupama | abrotman, even in my desktop machine it goes full screeen but in this particular laptopn(sony vaio) it does not |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | Lovecraft: you're missing a few important bits :) |
| 13:02.34 | nirupama | abrotman, yes |
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| 13:02.50 | abrotman | nirupama: ask #openoffice.org or whatever it is .. it may be a known issue |
| 13:02.54 | nirupama | abrotman, so what can i do to make it full screen |
| 13:03.05 | abrotman | get a crappier laptop ? |
| 13:03.40 | Wyzard | nirupama: Does your normal X screen (e.g. your desktop) fill your whole screen? |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | Lovecraft: did the X -configure work ? |
| 13:03.55 | Lovecraft | abrotman: It worked. |
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| 13:04.24 | nirupama | Wyzard, it was not filling but i made it to fill through xorg |
| 13:04.53 | Wyzard | nirupama: fullscreen in openoffice should fill the same area that your desktop does |
| 13:05.47 | nirupama | Wyzard, by default my dektop took 1024x768 but I changed it to 1366x768 |
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| 13:06.07 | christianp | hi all |
| 13:06.07 | nirupama | Wyzard, but openoffice does not take that I mean ppt is not taking it is in 1024x768 |
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| 13:06.45 | christianp | i have installed apache2 then, for an error i delete the /etc/apache2 folder. |
| 13:07.00 | christianp | now, how can i reinstall apache2 and all the dependencies? |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | !tell christianp about confmiss |
| 13:07.29 | abrotman | the package is apache2.2-common IIRC |
| 13:07.45 | Wyzard | nirupama: Actually, thinking about it, it's probably just preserving the aspect ratio of the slide |
| 13:08.09 | christianp | thanks abrotman |
| 13:08.13 | nirupama | Wyzard, ya but how can i make it full screen.Any streatching option |
| 13:08.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: but odn't you think it should blackfill the edges ? |
| 13:08.37 | Lovecraft | Anyhoo, thanks guys. |
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| 13:09.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: I figured that's what it's doing |
| 13:09.20 | Wyzard | nirupama: Not that I know of (I don't use openoffice) but I don't see why you'd want to do that anyway... it'd distort the slide |
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| 13:09.30 | christianp | abrotman, i do as you suggest me, but apache modules are not reinstalled. what other? |
| 13:09.41 | nirupama | Wyzard, but is there any solution for that |
| 13:10.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: he says it isn't |
| 13:10.15 | abrotman | christianp: /msg dpkg search .. find the packages |
| 13:10.34 | Wyzard | nirupama: What sort of solution are you looking for? |
| 13:10.45 | unop | christianp, use something like this. aptitude reinstall apache2 # but include all the dependencies too |
| 13:10.49 | nirupama | Wyzard, I need a full screen whatever it may be |
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| 13:11.19 | Wyzard | nirupama: If you display a 4:3 picture on a widescreen monitor without stretching it horizontally, there's nothing to put on the sides |
| 13:11.28 | Wyzard | nirupama: If you stretch it, you distort the slide and make it look bad |
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| 13:12.00 | abrotman | unop: that won't work |
| 13:12.16 | Wyzard | nirupama: If you want it to stretch and look bad just for the sake of not having bars on the side of the screen, I can't help you if openoffice doesn't have that capability |
| 13:12.19 | unop | abrotman, it won't? |
| 13:12.24 | abrotman | unop: he deleted conf files |
| 13:12.58 | unop | abrotman, right, but doesn't reinstalling the package recreate them? |
| 13:13.04 | abrotman | no |
| 13:13.30 | Wyzard | nirupama: What do you see on the sides of the screen when you fullscreen the slide, anyway? |
| 13:13.36 | unop | abrotman, so what is the recommended way to get around this then? |
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| 13:14.25 | nirupama | Wyzard, both sides are black |
| 13:14.26 | abrotman | unop: /msg dpkg confmiss .. it should give you a hint |
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| 13:14.38 | nirupama | Wyzard, its taking only the default one 1024x768 |
| 13:14.43 | Wyzard | nirupama: What's so bad about that then? |
| 13:14.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. it is blackfilling .. i thought he meant the app was "fullscreen" but actually showing the desktop |
| 13:15.02 | o2T7 | Are libstdc++ functions' manpages distributed by official debian repositories? |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | nirupama: that's normal .. even on PowerPoint in windows it does that IIRC |
| 13:15.05 | Wyzard | nirupama: Your monitor has some extra pixels on the sides that the slide just doesn't have any information for |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | o2T7: manpages-dev ? |
| 13:15.13 | nirupama | Wyzard, i just want to know whether we can make it full screen |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | it is full screen .. |
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| 13:15.22 | unop | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:15.30 | o2T7 | abrotman: I have them installed, but no, they aren't there |
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| 13:15.54 | Wyzard | nirupama: It would be possible to fill the sides by stretching the picture horizontally, but openoffice might not have that feature |
| 13:15.55 | nirupama | Wyzard, let me check the same slide in windows |
| 13:16.03 | abrotman | o2T7: which man page do you want ? |
| 13:16.12 | nirupama | Wyzard, ya I too tried |
| 13:16.25 | Wyzard | nirupama: and I don't see why you'd want it to do that anyway |
| 13:16.29 | o2T7 | abrotman: i.e. setw |
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| 13:18.23 | o2T7 | abrotman: They are here ( ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/libstdc++/doxygen/ ), but I was wondering if there was an official package for them |
| 13:18.30 | joako | wow , i just get to make my wireless card work!!! after a full week of research and guess what was my error, debian detect my wireless card as an AR242X ...but actually its a AR5007 ....theres anyway to send this to debians develp? |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | o2T7: the docs are html |
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| 13:18.53 | abrotman | o2T7: i don't see man pages either .. on etch or lenny |
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| 13:19.26 | o2T7 | abrotman: ok, thanks ;) |
| 13:19.34 | abrotman | !find structstd_1_1_setw.html etch |
| 13:19.41 | abrotman | i'm guessing that's what you want |
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| 13:20.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'structstd_1_1_setw.html' (2): (/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.4-base/libstdc++/html_user/structstd_1_1_setw.html) in doc/libstdc++6-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.3-base/libstdc++/html_user/structstd_1_1_setw.html) in doc/libstdc++5-3.3-doc. |
| 13:20.17 | abrotman | o2T7: right ? |
| 13:20.26 | o2T7 | abrotman: right |
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| 13:24.12 | o2T7 | abrotman: perhaps there is a more intuitive ui for it? my path is /usr/share/doc/libstdc++6-4.2-doc/libstdc++/html_user/ |
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| 13:24.34 | abrotman | UI? use a webbrowser? |
| 13:24.42 | infinity0 | how do i access $COLUMNS from inside a bash shell script? |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | ask #bash |
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| 13:25.56 | o2T7 | abrotman: I mean for searching and so |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | oh .. no idea .. you oculd index it, but that seems overkill .. i'd probably use google |
| 13:26.27 | catsup | install dwww |
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| 13:29.53 | o2T7 | ok, i guess that I need a long reading on it, thanks again |
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| 13:32.05 | christianp | unop, i have no way to include "automagically" all dipendencies? |
| 13:33.04 | unop | christianp, not sure there is, ask abrotman |
| 13:33.15 | abrotman | include all deps in what? |
| 13:34.09 | christianp | abrotman, i want to reinstall a package and all its dependencies |
| 13:34.10 | unop | abrotman, he's trying to reinstall apache2 |
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| 13:34.37 | uwe | hello, im trying to install iscsitarget from etch-backports, so i do apt-get install iscsitarget-source for the module-assistant but it fails to build ! and i cant find something about it in google, there is something about it on sid but not on etch ... what can i do? |
| 13:34.44 | abrotman | so just list them all in the install line |
| 13:34.56 | abrotman | apt-cache depends <pkg1> .. cut and paste |
| 13:35.11 | christianp | thanks |
| 13:35.27 | unop | not very automagical .. but anyway |
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| 13:36.12 | ootput | for those of you using gift with gnutella & openft, are you getting corrupt downloads? It appears for every media file that I get is corrupted. |
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| 13:37.28 | abrotman | there's a gift channel IIRC |
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| 13:38.47 | berzerka | can i see the build-dependancies of a package on packages.debian.org? |
| 13:38.57 | uwe | here is the output http://code.bulix.org/wwm697-66316 |
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| 13:43.09 | berzerka | is there any way to find out the build-dependancies of a package, without installing debian? |
| 13:44.54 | infinity0 | berzerka: look at packages.debian.org |
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| 13:45.11 | infinity0 | berzerka: it's in the description file for each package |
| 13:45.38 | berzerka | infinity0: got it, thanks! |
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| 13:51.04 | uwe | can someone test it please if you have a testing machine before i submit a bug report ? |
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| 13:52.34 | abrotman | uwe: you're using backports.org ? |
| 13:52.37 | larsl_ | Is there no Freenet package in the official repositories? An 'apt-cache search freenet' doesn't show anything. |
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| 13:53.15 | uwe | abrotman, im using http://ftp.de.debian.org/backports.org |
| 13:53.31 | uwe | which was provided as a mirror of backports.org |
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| 13:55.58 | abrotman | uwe: you might want to ask #debian-backports on OFTC .. |
| 13:55.59 | uwe | hmm, i just enabled security updates, and there is a kernel-headers update , maybe this might fix stuff ... |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | uwe: or that :) |
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| 13:57.04 | harpal | I have installed pop3.proxy and I have started it. but how can i know that on which port its listening? |
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| 13:59.46 | abrotman | netstat/fuser/lsof |
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| 14:04.05 | leOn | howdy |
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| 14:05.47 | leOn | i've just be handled an etch server that apparently has all the clock/timezone configuration done properly, but no matter what the system time is 1 hour ahead than it's supposed to ... any ideas? |
| 14:06.44 | hoxu | leOn, get timezone updates from volatile? |
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| 14:07.02 | hoxu | leOn, if it's DST-related that should fix it |
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| 14:07.14 | leOn | hoxu: no, i'm using the regular repos+security updates |
| 14:07.18 | hoxu | leOn, what do "date" and "date -u" return and what should it? |
| 14:08.04 | leOn | yes, they return different values |
| 14:08.36 | brewmaster | anyone have any experience administering debian based web clusters? |
| 14:08.58 | brewmaster | i'm looking at this: http://iweb.com/managed-hosting/web-cluster/ |
| 14:09.03 | hoxu | leOn, show us the outputs please, and what "date" *should* say in your opinion |
| 14:09.04 | brewmaster | not sure if it's worth it... |
| 14:09.21 | leOn | Seg Mai 5 16:07:04 WEST 2008 |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | that's managed .. |
| 14:09.31 | leOn | Seg Mai 5 15:08:33 UTC 2008 |
| 14:09.58 | leOn | it should be the last one ... but i wouldn't want to use UTC because of timesaving |
| 14:10.03 | hoxu | leOn, that's not correct UTC date, it's 14:10 now |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 14:10.05 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 14:10.19 | brewmaster | abrotman, "managed" is a word that gets abused quite a bit i think |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | brewmaster: it's in the page title :) |
| 14:10.53 | abrotman | brewmaster: it wasn't me abusing it .. are you just wondering how to do something like taht, or if the cost is worth it ? |
| 14:11.02 | leOn | i'm wondering why doesn't ntpdate-debian set the proper date |
| 14:11.10 | leOn | shouldn't it? |
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| 14:11.37 | brewmaster | abrotman, a little of both I guess |
| 14:11.45 | brewmaster | it's for my company's website |
| 14:11.53 | leOn | it states there an offset that corresponds to the actual gap, but it doesn't preform the update |
| 14:11.54 | brewmaster | so I want to be relatively stress free |
| 14:11.59 | abrotman | holy crap .. $500/month ? |
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| 14:12.17 | brewmaster | is that cheap or expensive? |
| 14:12.31 | brewmaster | i've heard they have decent prices |
| 14:12.47 | abrotman | brewmaster: it obviously depends on the size of your company and your expertise |
| 14:13.01 | helo | is that recent cross-platform null-pointer flash exploit a threat? |
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| 14:13.49 | abrotman | a threat to whom? |
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| 14:13.49 | helo | i redownloaded the flash player, but it seemed to be the same version i installed months and months ago |
| 14:13.49 | jytd | how do I get a list of all cifs systems that are mounted? |
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| 14:13.49 | abrotman | helo: get it from adobe.com |
| 14:13.49 | maligor | you could just use swfdec or gnash instead |
| 14:13.53 | peterlh | Hi, can anyone tell me how to install the apr_dbd_mysql driver in debian? |
| 14:13.53 | maligor | they work fairly well already |
| 14:13.58 | hoxu | jytd, mount -l and grep |
| 14:14.01 | helo | a threat to my girlfriend-utilized debian box :) |
| 14:14.29 | \amethyst | jytd: mount -t cifs |
| 14:14.33 | abrotman | brewmaster: there are so many factors to the desire to pay that price .. for instance, my boss probably wouldn't do it. |
| 14:14.42 | jytd | thanks |
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| 14:15.14 | brewmaster | yeah, i think they up the price a lot for the "Fully Managed" feature |
| 14:15.17 | brewmaster | which is complete BS |
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| 14:15.26 | jytd | what happens when my system's ram is fully used? |
| 14:15.30 | brewmaster | i have a dedicated server with them |
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| 14:15.33 | hoxu | \amethyst, thanks for the info, I somehow missed it while not reading the manual :P |
| 14:15.35 | helo | by threat, i guess i mean "still exploitable" |
| 14:15.46 | brewmaster | and they just do not let you speak with anyone useful |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 14:15.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 14:16.10 | maligor | jytd, I think what happens depends on how the application who allocates over the boundary behaves |
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| 14:16.30 | leOn | fsck!... no matter what the damn machine won't change the date |
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| 14:16.55 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
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| 14:17.03 | jytd | maligor: cause I have a debian install running nothing but vmware server, and it's hosting a good 4-5 VMs, so I want to know how to monitor things so they don't get out of hand. For starters, all my ram is used up, and I want to know how to diagnose if it's a problem or not |
| 14:17.08 | helo | i'd like to download a version of flash and see in the changelog: "fixed null pointer memory allocation exploit" |
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| 14:17.31 | hoxu | !tell leOn about ntp |
| 14:17.41 | helo | as well as the pre-run and runtime safety check discrepancies... |
| 14:18.01 | leOn | hoxu: i've tried ntp, ntpdate, ntpdate-debian, date --set, tzconfig, etc |
| 14:18.04 | leOn | nothing works |
| 14:18.10 | hoxu | lies |
| 14:18.46 | hoxu | leOn, ntp should be enough if the timezone is OK, provided that it can actually send and get packets from the internet :p |
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| 14:19.03 | abrotman | leOn: did you read what the bot said about "set the time" ? |
| 14:19.09 | leOn | http://rafb.net/p/0AINF071.html |
| 14:19.16 | leOn | if you please |
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| 14:20.07 | abrotman | leOn: tried chrony ? |
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| 14:20.27 | leOn | chrony? .. what's that |
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| 14:20.41 | hoxu | !installit |
| 14:20.41 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 14:22.50 | brewmaster | is there any decent alternative to cpanel / WHM on debian? |
| 14:23.05 | brewmaster | i'm sick of having my dedicated server on a FC 5 machine |
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| 14:24.33 | jytd | how od I know if my os is paging? Or does that not apply to linux? |
| 14:24.47 | xingu | tries to work out what the likely dpi is for a seriously old 21" tv |
| 14:24.49 | azeem | jytd: why do you need to know? |
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| 14:25.03 | azeem | jytd: you can run vmstat 3 and check the si/so columns |
| 14:25.14 | \amethyst | jytd: whether it is *currently* writing dirty pages to swap, or whether swap is in use? |
| 14:25.34 | \amethyst | jytd: vmstat as azeem said for the former; the third like of `free` for the latter |
| 14:25.47 | \amethyst | s/like/line/ |
| 14:25.49 | abrotman | brewmaster: AFAIK, there are no web interfaces to admin a machine in the debian archives, there may be unofficial ones though |
| 14:26.10 | jytd | well in windows, when your system runs out of ram it swaps stuff in and out of the pagefile. The amount of swaps/pages that have occurred are an indicator of performance. If you are paging alot, it means your system doesn't have enough ram. |
| 14:26.23 | jytd | at least that's what someone told me. Is this the same in linux? |
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| 14:26.49 | enouf | yes, except what they told you about windows is a iie ;-) |
| 14:27.00 | xingu | !cake |
| 14:27.00 | dpkg | The cake is a lie. |
| 14:27.04 | \amethyst | brewmaster: in lenny and sid there is dtc, but I haven't used it |
| 14:27.19 | \amethyst | brewmaster: and it doesn't manage everything |
| 14:27.29 | jytd | enouf: good to know. So how does this all work? I want to make sure that my system isn't using more ram than it has. |
| 14:27.29 | leOn | i've just ran adjtimex ... it stated Adjusting system time by -100086 sec/day to agree with CMOS clock...done. |
| 14:27.42 | \amethyst | jytd: if you want to make sure of that, don't use swap |
| 14:27.45 | enouf | jytd: others told you |
| 14:27.50 | leOn | but then, date -u Seg Mai 5 15:28:43 UTC 2008 |
| 14:28.15 | jytd | \amethyst: is disabling swap a bad idea though? |
| 14:28.30 | noisesmith | I want to set up a computer to act as a gateway via ethernet, connecting a computer with no wifi card... anyone have a url with a step by step? |
| 14:28.40 | \amethyst | jytd: it means that, if you do run out of memory, the kernel will start killing processes |
| 14:28.48 | jytd | basically, in linux, is swap only used when I'm out of memory? If I see that swap is used when I 'top', then my system is running out of memory? |
| 14:29.06 | \amethyst | jytd: swap is used before you run out, actually |
| 14:29.10 | brewmaster | amethyst, thanks, i'll take a look |
| 14:29.45 | \amethyst | jytd: the idea is that it's better to use RAM to cache recently-used blocks than to hold old memory pages that aren't being used much |
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| 14:30.09 | enouf | jytd: here's an overview http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management |
| 14:30.29 | jytd | \amethyst: I follow |
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| 14:30.44 | \amethyst | jytd: so things will get swapped out to make room for cache; the kernel 'swappiness' variable (/proc/sys/vm/swappiness) determines how eager the kernel is to do that sort of thing |
| 14:30.54 | jytd | now, when I do 'top' on my syste, the ram used keeps rising slowly, is this cause of a memory leak? |
| 14:31.29 | \amethyst | jytd: the 'used' reported by top includes cache |
| 14:31.42 | ptux | hi there. i've an ethc installed and it work well, by the way when i login i've to launch #alsaconf to use all the sound channels. else i can just listen the system messages (like advise, error and so on), but not music, dvd, etc. |
| 14:31.46 | \amethyst | jytd: is the 'cached' entry (at the end of the next line) increasing by the same amount? |
| 14:31.48 | ptux | can someone of you help me? |
| 14:31.59 | noisesmith | jytd: a "leak" means you cannot get the ram back without killing the process, it could be some process just keeps wanting more ram |
| 14:32.00 | hoxu | ptux, no, we don't know your problem |
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| 14:32.25 | jytd | so is there a good program to see where my memory is going? |
| 14:32.50 | \amethyst | jytd: to what level of detail? |
| 14:32.58 | ptux | well i search to explain better (english is not my language..): when i login i can listen jingles and similar, but if i want see a dvd i've no audio. |
| 14:33.04 | jytd | and also, to summarize, if my top reports that my memory is in full use, it's not really indicative of a problem, could just be cache, etc.. |
| 14:33.05 | enouf | noisesmith: do you mean like ipmasq? (i mean what's the relevance of "no wifi" there?) |
| 14:33.07 | ptux | to fix it i've to run #alsaconf. |
| 14:33.19 | \amethyst | jytd: add together the 'free' + 'cached' |
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| 14:33.32 | \amethyst | jytd: or run the program free and look at the second line |
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| 14:33.44 | ptux | i would like let the audio work without run each time alsaconf... |
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| 14:34.00 | jytd | yea, cool. free is what I was looking for |
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| 14:34.16 | googlah | anyone in here with a gigabyte p35 ds3 motherboard? :p |
| 14:34.32 | noisesmith | enouf: dell -> has wifi that can connect to the real world ibook -> has wifi incompatible with router, wants to talk to the real world; between them -> ethernet cable; how does the ibook access the real world? |
| 14:34.33 | jytd | \amethyst: the free + cached you were referring to was in top, right? The cached being on the same line as the swap |
| 14:34.40 | \amethyst | jytd: right |
| 14:34.57 | ptux | hoxu, i hope u understand my problem now.. |
| 14:35.05 | jytd | is cache a swap memory concept? |
| 14:35.08 | PovAddict | can I make apt get packages from a mounted .iso? |
| 14:35.30 | \amethyst | jytd: it's disk cache |
| 14:35.41 | \amethyst | jytd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_cache |
| 14:36.18 | noisesmith | PovAddict: check out man apt-cdrom |
| 14:36.18 | \amethyst | jytd: recently-used disk blocks that are read-only or haven't been changed in RAM yet |
| 14:37.04 | noisesmith | \amethyst: not to be confused, of course, with processor cache |
| 14:37.05 | PovAddict | oh, it can take a mountpoint... so I could mount the iso and pass it that :) |
| 14:37.37 | \amethyst | jytd: actually, I guess it also includes dirty pages (those that have been changed since being loaded from disk) |
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| 14:37.56 | hoxu | ptux, I thought you only need to run alsaconf once |
| 14:38.18 | enouf | noisesmith: i'm slow today, but so; ibook <-cat5-> dell <-router-> - <-modem-> - internet ? |
| 14:38.32 | noisesmith | enouf: exactly |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | enouf: today? |
| 14:38.51 | enouf | noisesmith: so "/msg dpkg ipmasq" ;-) |
| 14:38.56 | MBitter | Hi, is it possible to list all packages wich have been manually installed (not as a dependency)? |
| 14:39.03 | noisesmith | enouf: cool, thanks |
| 14:39.08 | enouf | hey, no comments from the peanut gallery :-P |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | i'm a cashew! |
| 14:39.43 | noisesmith | enouf: dpkg is ignoring me! |
| 14:39.52 | ptux | hoxu, with alsaconf it work, but when i login again i've the same problem.. |
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| 14:40.01 | \amethyst | MBitter: aptitude search '!~M' |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | !tell noisesmith about ipmasq |
| 14:40.13 | enouf | noisesmith: hrm, are you registered and Identified to services? |
| 14:40.18 | hoxu | ptux, what did you mean with "jingles"? |
| 14:40.23 | noisesmith | enouf: guess not |
| 14:40.25 | MBitter | \amethyst: thx |
| 14:40.34 | PovAddict | \amethyst: that printed nothing for me |
| 14:40.46 | ptux | i mean system sound like error messages, and so on.. |
| 14:40.51 | PovAddict | oh, aptitude :) |
| 14:41.34 | \amethyst | MBitter: ~M means 'autoMatically installed', and ! means 'not' (yes, it's backwards) |
| 14:41.35 | jytd | alright, thanks guys |
| 14:41.44 | ptux | (bip, clic, question, etc.) in System -> Settings -> Audio -> SystemSound |
| 14:42.00 | dirk_ | how can I set my konsole to use a other editor as default, for example Kate? |
| 14:42.02 | PovAddict | \amethyst: doesn't that print packages that aren't even installed too? :) |
| 14:42.25 | MBitter | \amethyst: ok, but that lists nearly everything installed on my system :( |
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| 14:42.45 | \amethyst | PovAddict: aha, you're right |
| 14:42.52 | enouf | ptux: try "alsactl store" (unless hoxu has a better idea) |
| 14:43.05 | solidslash | hey, is anyone experiencing any problems with sonata on sid ? |
| 14:43.14 | \amethyst | MBitter: it's probably listing non-installed stuff too as PovAddict says. Try aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 14:43.27 | ptux | enouf, i tryed the sequence: 1. alsaconf (to enable the sound card) |
| 14:43.36 | \amethyst | MBitter: also try aptitude search '~M' to list the auto-installed packages... maybe there aren't any |
| 14:43.37 | ptux | 2. alsamixer (to unmute each channel) |
| 14:43.51 | ptux | 3. alsactl store (to save the volume setting) |
| 14:43.52 | \amethyst | MBitter: have you used apt-get, aptitude, or something else to do most of your package installations? |
| 14:43.59 | ptux | but it's always the same problem. |
| 14:44.58 | MBitter | \amethyst: i've used apt-get for the most of them |
| 14:45.00 | hoxu | ptux, do you use KDE, gnome or what? |
| 14:45.07 | enouf | ptux: then either you have a ~/.asound.conf or /etc/asound.conf or similar file messing your settings - or your sound module isn't loading at bootup/login, or something |
| 14:45.24 | ptux | i use gnome |
| 14:45.29 | hoxu | !tell ptux about alsa checklist |
| 14:45.33 | \amethyst | MBitter: etch? |
| 14:45.40 | hoxu | ptux, particularly the 4) part about arts/esound |
| 14:45.50 | \amethyst | MBitter: Because, until a recent version, apt-get didn't keep track of manual vs automatic installation |
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| 14:46.02 | \amethyst | MBitter: and that version is more recent than etch |
| 14:46.05 | maligor | hoxu, my apt package list doesn't seem to have what |
| 14:46.07 | enouf | ptux: for 4, i use as root; lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd' |
| 14:46.14 | hoxu | maligor, what? |
| 14:46.31 | ptux | enouf, i've not a ~/.asound.conf or a /etc/asound.con |
| 14:46.35 | hoxu | does gnome use esd or what was it? |
| 14:46.40 | MBitter | \amethyst: I |
| 14:46.50 | MBitter | \amethyst: I'm using sid |
| 14:46.51 | enouf | ptux: ok |
| 14:46.54 | ptux | !tell alsa |
| 14:46.57 | noisesmith | hoxu: gnome uses pulse-audio, which is esd compatible, and still crap |
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| 14:47.09 | enouf | ptux: do /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 14:47.14 | MBitter | \amethyst: But not from the beginning... there is a lot to clean up now... |
| 14:47.14 | maligor | noisesmith, mm.. what's wrong with pulse |
| 14:47.25 | enouf | !tell ptux -about msg the bot |
| 14:47.42 | maligor | pulse provides hotplug output, which is quite nice in general setups |
| 14:47.45 | \amethyst | MBitter: ah, so you probably got a version of apt-get that tracks automatic installations fairly recently, and most of your packages don't have that info |
| 14:47.46 | noisesmith | maligor: bad performance, jackd incompatible |
| 14:47.56 | hoxu | enouf, showed that factoid to him already :) |
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| 14:48.05 | enouf | hoxu: i know ;-) |
| 14:48.07 | \amethyst | MBitter: you might want to look at the packages deborphan and/or debfoster |
| 14:48.17 | hoxu | ptux, tried disabling the sound daemon or whatever from gnome's settings? |
| 14:48.26 | enouf | hoxu: i run into some, whose scroll must be like 5 lines tops :-P |
| 14:48.39 | maligor | noisesmith, most people won't use jackd |
| 14:48.40 | hoxu | ptux, alsaconf kills all sound-using processes including any sound daemons, so that might explain why your desktop environment sounds work, but DVD stuff doesn't |
| 14:49.06 | \amethyst | MBitter: or use aptitude to flag everything auto, then unflag the specific applications you need, and then aptitude install |
| 14:49.30 | ptux | mmh in the session list i just read the "volume-manager". |
| 14:49.40 | hoxu | maligor, was your line addressed to me by mistake? :p |
| 14:49.54 | \amethyst | MBitter: in the aptitude UI, M will mark as auto, m as manual |
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| 14:50.04 | ptux | when i launch alsaconf it stop each modules. then it load it again.. and i have audio also from dvd.. |
| 14:50.19 | maligor | hoxu, well, you asked if the DE in question was gnome, kde or what, I just can't find what in my repositories |
| 14:50.20 | noisesmith | ptux: I bet that some program is hogging your sound card, maybe a sound daemon that your audio apps are not set up to use |
| 14:50.40 | \amethyst | MBitter: or you can use aptitude markauto/unmarkauto command |
| 14:50.42 | noisesmith | ptux: alsaconf kills that program |
| 14:50.46 | \amethyst | s/command/package/ |
| 14:50.55 | ptux | so, what i can do to fix the problem, noisesmith? pls suggest me something. |
| 14:51.06 | MBitter | \amethyst: Thanks for the meny tips. I'll try it with aptitude |
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| 14:51.30 | noisesmith | ptux: you could try killall esd pulseaudio artsd jackd |
| 14:52.14 | hoxu | maligor, I think you are in direct violation of EU directives for not suffixing your line with ';)' |
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| 14:52.40 | hoxu | ptux, see what I said about setting the sound daemon off in gnome's settings |
| 14:53.03 | noisesmith | ^ yeah hoxu's solution is more elegant, and works better long term |
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| 14:54.48 | enouf | flower: you asked about konsole and kate as default editor (as dirk_ ?) well, anyways, ask in a kde related channel, likely set it in kcontrol (k control center) |
| 14:54.51 | noisesmith | off topic: how do I go about registering my nick with freenode? |
| 14:55.00 | azeem | noisesmith: /msg nickserv help |
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| 14:56.08 | hoxu | noisesmith, the right channel for network-related questions is #freenode btw |
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| 14:57.17 | noisesmith | hoxu: thanks |
| 14:58.07 | noisesmith | dpkg still ignores me |
| 14:58.07 | dpkg | noisesmith: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 14:58.18 | SolidSlash | hey, I can't open sonata music player (based on MPD) - here's what it shows me in terminal : http://wklej.org/txt/1493505a94 |
| 14:58.20 | SolidSlash | any clue? |
| 14:58.41 | hoxu | !tell noisesmith about msg the bot |
| 14:58.43 | ptux | well. now i tryed. |
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| 14:58.50 | jberg | my computer keeps turning off, and im not sure why. are there any diagnostics tools or something which will give me info on my hardware or tell me if theres something wrong? |
| 14:58.54 | noisesmith | hoxu: nothing |
| 14:58.54 | ptux | it's enough to kill esd. |
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| 14:59.26 | enouf | flower: though if you run as root/su/sudo this command; update-alternatives --list editor you won't likely see things kate or kwrite mentioned and such - so not sure about all that, but those are your choices for xterm/Konsole, i suppose you could add kate to that list, man update-alternatives |
| 14:59.32 | hoxu | ptux, yes, but you should also disable it in the settings to make sure it doesn't start again |
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| 14:59.37 | noisesmith | jberg: have you looked at the output of dmesg? |
| 14:59.58 | ptux | well hoxu. so: where it's saved? where i've to change? |
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| 15:00.27 | noisesmith | ptux: in the gnome system settings |
| 15:00.28 | hoxu | ptux, I don't know about gnome, but should be pretty easy to find from the menus (think you mentioned some place already yourself) |
| 15:00.36 | jberg | noisesmith: hm no looking now |
| 15:00.48 | jberg | what does dmesg do? print boot messages? |
| 15:00.58 | ptux | well. i found it, but if i disable esd, then also the sound system look like disabled... |
| 15:01.02 | noisesmith | jberg: important kernel events show up in the dmesg buffer |
| 15:01.10 | enouf | noisesmith: once you register, /msg Nickserv identify help |
| 15:01.16 | noisesmith | enouf: thanks |
| 15:01.33 | enouf | or maybe it's Chanserv |
| 15:01.40 | jberg | noisesmith: ok, so something should show up if the pc crashes? |
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| 15:02.40 | noisesmith | jberg: well, dmesg is not preserved across boots, but if you see errors on dmesg, that is a clue to what could be happening |
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| 15:03.08 | enouf | ptux: see if you can tell gnome you want to use ALSA and not OSS |
| 15:03.11 | RichiH | hrm |
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| 15:03.28 | enouf | ptux: also run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and select alsa |
| 15:03.36 | RichiH | anyone familiar with a 'inode out of bounds' error? |
| 15:03.38 | RichiH | ext3_add_entry: bad entry in directory #2719748: inode out of bounds - offset=0, inode=4261281277, rec_len=52, name_len=43 |
| 15:04.00 | enouf | jberg: 'crashes' how? |
| 15:04.08 | ptux | ok enouf. i did it. |
| 15:04.15 | RichiH | metric shitloads of them.. |
| 15:04.20 | twobitwork | what's the prefered way of making symlinks in a debian package? should I run ln -s in the postinst script, or just make relative symlinks in the source tree and let dpkg-buildpackage capture them? |
| 15:04.31 | ptux | thank you everybody! ;) |
| 15:04.32 | enouf | RichiH: is that a USB attached Disk? |
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| 15:04.36 | azeem | twobitwork: man dh_link |
| 15:04.44 | twobitwork | azeem: ahh, thanks |
| 15:04.46 | ptux | bye |
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| 15:04.53 | RichiH | enouf: sata |
| 15:04.53 | jberg | dont see any errors :X |
| 15:04.58 | jberg | enouf: just shuts down |
| 15:04.59 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.00 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 15:05.06 | \amethyst | RichiH: check your RAM and your disk |
| 15:05.28 | RichiH | \amethyst: what would the RAM have to do with it? |
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| 15:05.36 | hoxu | RichiH, did anything change in your setup? Like partition tables? |
| 15:05.38 | enouf | helo: maybe /var/cache/*/dhcp.leases ? or similar |
| 15:05.45 | RichiH | hoxu: no |
| 15:05.47 | \amethyst | RichiH: because corruption in the disk cache can lead to corruption on disk |
| 15:05.51 | \amethyst | s/disk cache/page cache/ |
| 15:06.00 | noisesmith | RichiH: bad ram can mess up ANYTHING |
| 15:06.01 | RichiH | hoxu: i did copy a _lot_ of files to the partition in question, though |
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| 15:06.15 | RichiH | \amethyst, noisesmith: true |
| 15:06.23 | enouf | jberg: are you present when it occurs? |
| 15:06.39 | enouf | jberg: perhaps heat issues? your CPU is overheating and BIOS is protecting it? |
| 15:06.50 | enouf | jberg: do you overclock your machine? |
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| 15:07.00 | \amethyst | RichiH: that number is so close to INT_MAX that I'm guessing the high-order byte got written with the wrong value |
| 15:08.13 | enouf | RichiH: dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdaX for ex; should show you amt of inodes free/avail .. hrm |
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| 15:08.45 | jberg | enouf: i was thinking heat issues too. but the fan runs and ive just applied new cooling paste to the cpu. no overclocking |
| 15:08.57 | googlah | i am using debian etch.. can I mount a ntfs-drive? i don't need write-ability |
| 15:09.04 | jberg | maybe its the power supply |
| 15:09.16 | stew | googlah: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 15:09.46 | helo | enouf: ahh, /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases |
| 15:09.55 | enouf | jberg: perhaps the PSU, but are you sure yuo applied the thermal paste corectly? did yuo scrape and clean off old paste? |
| 15:10.09 | noisesmith | jberg: you could tail -f dmesg > logfile, then read the logfile after a crash? |
| 15:10.10 | jberg | enouf: no, should I? |
| 15:10.22 | jberg | noisesmith: yes ill do that |
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| 15:10.30 | RichiH | !paste |
| 15:10.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:10.32 | ziyax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.50 | enouf | jberg: ofcourse - there are plenty of howtos on google apply +thermal +paste +cpu +correctly +arctic silver |
| 15:11.06 | jberg | enouf: hmm ok ill check it out |
| 15:11.15 | RichiH | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/2255/ |
| 15:11.23 | noisesmith | enouf jberg: that reminds me of that issue with macbooks, where mac was having it's hardware suppliers incorrectly apply the cooling paste |
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| 15:11.43 | noisesmith | (they were telling the suppliers to just slather it on thick) |
| 15:11.45 | enouf | jberg: the paste needs to be only a microscopically thin film to only fill imperfections on the CPU IHS, and HSF plate |
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| 15:12.22 | enouf | noisesmith: haha |
| 15:12.24 | jberg | enouf: oh |
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| 15:12.56 | enouf | jberg: and naturally, both surfaces 1st need to be clean of debris, grease, grime, etc |
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| 15:13.19 | enouf | jberg: be very careful when cleaning, use isopropyl alcohol prior to applying paste |
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| 15:13.25 | enouf | allow to evaporate |
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| 15:13.37 | jberg | hmm i dont have that |
| 15:13.39 | defrysk | elalobate |
| 15:13.56 | enouf | well, got any Scotch Whiskey? :-) |
| 15:13.58 | enouf | <jk> |
| 15:14.00 | noisesmith | jberg: it's about a buck a bottle at the drug store |
| 15:14.16 | sin_ | hi guys, I am using debian lenny, and I just updated through apt-get dist-upgrade my x-server etc. and now all fonts of all gtk programs (in gnome) have bigger fonts, how can I change that ? |
| 15:14.19 | defrysk | errata humanum est |
| 15:14.36 | noisesmith | actually, you can rescue cell phones that fall in water by immediately immersing them in the stuff, so it is good to keep around |
| 15:14.43 | sin_ | if I go system->preferences->appearance it says 10 which was the font I had but now 10 seems much larger |
| 15:15.10 | noisesmith | sin_ in the gnome system preferences menu |
| 15:15.24 | sin_ | noisesmith, yes well the option is just like the old one, it is 10 |
| 15:15.31 | enouf | jberg: so, to recap, the issues started occuring just after? --> "ive just applied new cooling paste to the cpu" |
| 15:15.55 | noisesmith | sin_: did it mess up your resolution? |
| 15:16.07 | sin_ | nop |
| 15:16.26 | sin_ | resolution is the same |
| 15:16.31 | noisesmith | sin_: I am stumped, I don't use gnome myself, maybe someone else knows the deal |
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| 15:16.47 | sin_ | I don't use gnome either, I use wmii but I use the gnome terminal and that changed size too |
| 15:16.54 | \amethyst | sin_: what does xdpyinfo | grep resolution say (note that this is DPI resolution, not screen size) |
| 15:17.33 | sin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.49 | sin_ | iceweasel is normal though |
| 15:18.03 | sin_ | xterm is normal |
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| 15:18.42 | \amethyst | sin_: hm, so it's only gnome programs? |
| 15:18.46 | sin_ | yes |
| 15:18.47 | noisesmith | sin_: could it be your gnome theme got changed? |
| 15:18.59 | sin_ | it is the default gnome theme |
| 15:19.05 | defrysk | I believe that for a successful upgrade fron etch > sid you need to be in a tty |
| 15:19.10 | defrysk | from* |
| 15:19.30 | enouf | sin_: does ps aux | grep X return any -dpi 100 or similar in that line? |
| 15:19.41 | defrysk | and that also goes for etch > lenny |
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| 15:19.47 | jberg | enouf: no this is just an old processer and motherboard which i put together |
| 15:19.53 | jberg | enouf: so it has happened from the start |
| 15:19.57 | \amethyst | sin_: if you go into Appearance Properties, Fonts tab, and click on Details... what does it list as the resolution there? also 96? |
| 15:20.07 | jberg | so i bought thermal paste to see if that would help |
| 15:20.07 | sin_ | enouf, nop |
| 15:20.13 | sin_ | yes 96 |
| 15:20.15 | jberg | enouf: but it didnt |
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| 15:20.45 | enouf | jberg: i see .. well, you have some hardware tshooting to do - run memtest86+ also |
| 15:21.06 | jberg | i've bought brand new ram for this pc yesterday |
| 15:21.12 | enouf | jberg: you might want to ask more about all that in #hardware as well |
| 15:21.15 | jberg | so i don't think its memory related |
| 15:21.19 | enouf | jberg: it's possible it's bad |
| 15:21.21 | jberg | enouf: yes thanks |
| 15:21.32 | jberg | is memtest86+ on apt? |
| 15:21.33 | enouf | jberg: or not seated correctly |
| 15:21.39 | \amethyst | sin_: if that number had gone up, I would think that to be your problem (higher DPI means the same point size takes more pixels) |
| 15:21.41 | enouf | jberg: reseat all the parts |
| 15:21.46 | jberg | enouf: yep |
| 15:21.54 | enouf | jberg: most live CDs have memtest86+ |
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| 15:22.05 | enouf | even the debian Installer CD does |
| 15:22.12 | sin_ | \amethyst, so do you think I should decrease it ? |
| 15:22.12 | flower | enouf, thanks for your help, I did export EDITOR="emacs" and put it in .bashrc |
| 15:22.18 | \amethyst | sin_: but it doesn't sound like it has, since 96 is the default |
| 15:22.27 | sin_ | hm ok |
| 15:22.35 | enouf | flower: out with kate, in with emacs? \o/ |
| 15:22.51 | noisesmith | ERC REPREZENT! |
| 15:22.53 | jberg | apt-get memtest86+ now |
| 15:22.57 | \amethyst | sin_: is gnome-settings-daemon running? (does pidof gnome-settings-daemon print a number?) |
| 15:23.05 | flower | enouf, out with vim in with emacs with ess |
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| 15:23.15 | enouf | jberg: you need to reboot into it, no matter what anyway |
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| 15:23.23 | defrysk | nano ftw |
| 15:23.28 | jberg | reboot into memtest? |
| 15:23.34 | enouf | yes |
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| 15:23.35 | sin_ | \amethyst, yes it is |
| 15:23.38 | jberg | oh |
| 15:23.45 | jberg | how do i do that? :) |
| 15:23.54 | enouf | jberg: i told you above ^^^^^ |
| 15:23.57 | defrysk | reboot and select memtest ? |
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| 15:24.17 | jberg | ok i have the debian installer cd |
| 15:24.18 | \amethyst | sin_: ah, I guess it wouldn't matter anyway since xdpyinfo is saying 96 too |
| 15:24.23 | enouf | jberg: press F1-F10 at any boot prompt, from any LiveCD or the Debian installer |
| 15:24.43 | jberg | ok will try it |
| 15:24.57 | jberg | ill be gone for a few minutes then |
| 15:25.01 | jberg | thanks and bye |
| 15:25.03 | vins | hi, I try to resolve a problem of latency on my debian. I have removed ipv6 and the problem is resolved with firefox but I have still latency with apt-get (8 seconds approximately). Do you have an idea why ? |
| 15:25.09 | enouf | jberg: better test longer ';-) |
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| 15:25.40 | \amethyst | sin_: I *think* that if gnome-settings-daemon isn't running, GNOME apps will use the X setting instead: I have 96dpi in Gnome settings, 121dpi in xdpyinfo, and if I start gnome programs before settings-daemon, they get fonts that are too large |
| 15:25.53 | \amethyst | sin_: however, that doesn't seem to be your problem, so I'm stuck :( |
| 15:26.16 | \amethyst | sin_: how big is your monitor, and what resolution do you run at? |
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| 15:26.28 | sin_ | 1280x800 15.4 widescreen |
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| 15:26.50 | enouf | vins: for the heck of it, try /etc/init.d/avahi* stop |
| 15:26.56 | \amethyst | sin_: is that 16:10, 16:9, or what? |
| 15:27.04 | sin_ | basically I just run through sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and then I rebooted and then all fonts were bigger. |
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| 15:27.07 | sin_ | 16:9 I think |
| 15:27.09 | \amethyst | sin_: I mean, the physical screen, not the number of pixels |
| 15:27.42 | vins | thanks but the problem is still here :) |
| 15:27.55 | enouf | vins: was it even running prior? ;-) |
| 15:28.02 | noisesmith | sin_: it is 16:10 |
| 15:28.09 | sin_ | noisesmith, ok :-) |
| 15:28.19 | enouf | vins: anyways, no idea really - just a quick quess concerning mDNS issues |
| 15:28.24 | enouf | guess |
| 15:28.28 | vins | enouf : I don't understand what you say |
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| 15:28.50 | vins | ok |
| 15:28.53 | \amethyst | sin_: so your screen is pretty close to 96dpi |
| 15:28.55 | enouf | vins: did any service 'stop' ater you ran the command? |
| 15:29.01 | vins | yes |
| 15:29.10 | o2T7 | There is a bug in exim4 that prevents it from being started by init.d because of quoting some variables. As far as I know it wsas reported on march, but still there isn't an updated version. Where could I see if it is planned to release the updated version including it to debian's repositories? |
| 15:29.19 | vins | Stopping Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon. |
| 15:29.35 | \amethyst | sin_: okay, so for something that is too big: what point size is it set to use, and how many pixels high is it? |
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| 15:29.57 | enouf | ok, well, if you find you want it, without rebooting use "/etc/init.d/avahi* start" , but i highly doubt you're using it, and besides a reboot will replace it running |
| 15:30.01 | enouf | vins: ^^^^ |
| 15:30.10 | vins | what ? :) |
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| 15:30.22 | sin_ | \amethyst, isn't 96 the default for all apps that use gtk ? |
| 15:30.24 | bijur | hello :) |
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| 15:30.46 | defrysk | 96 is the default for 1280x1024 |
| 15:31.04 | enouf | vins: better to leave it stopped for now - do "/msg dpkg startup" and "/msg dpkg rcconf" |
| 15:31.06 | sin_ | ok, so what is the default for 1280x800 ? |
| 15:31.18 | defrysk | probably less |
| 15:31.23 | \amethyst | defrysk: ? |
| 15:31.33 | defrysk | \amethyst, not ? |
| 15:31.46 | vins | bash: /msg: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 15:31.47 | \amethyst | sin_: I don't know about defaults (whether it uses 96 or your monitor's size), but on your machine it's definitely using 96 |
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| 15:32.04 | vins | this is the response of the first command |
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| 15:32.07 | enouf | vins: if all that is too much, start with items mentioned in "/msg dpkg grounding" |
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| 15:32.57 | vins | I'm not sure of what you answer to me ^^ |
| 15:33.01 | defrysk | has a 1400x1050 and it settles for 98 dpi |
| 15:33.04 | enouf | vins: you want to register and identify to services to use dpkgbot |
| 15:33.07 | sin_ | I tried 72 it looks much better |
| 15:33.09 | enouf | vins: i have no idea what that means |
| 15:33.17 | vins | ok |
| 15:33.27 | \amethyst | sin_: 72 is 1:1 (1 point = 1 pixel) |
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| 15:33.43 | vins | bash: /msg: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type = no file or directory of this type |
| 15:33.51 | vins | is it better ? |
| 15:33.57 | enouf | vins: oh, sorry - in your irc client |
| 15:33.58 | sin_ | \amethyst, bb |
| 15:34.18 | vins | ah ok :) |
| 15:34.29 | enouf | vins: and a little trick - if you want English message errors, use LANG=C as a prefix to your commands ;-) |
| 15:34.38 | enouf | in bash, etc ;-) |
| 15:34.46 | vins | yes but I'm french so ^^ |
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| 15:34.55 | enouf | haha - no shit :-P |
| 15:35.05 | defrysk | silly French |
| 15:35.16 | enouf | but we speaka julio inglesias aqui :-P |
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| 15:35.45 | sin_ | \amethyst, back, I checked the timestamp of the toe /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I noticed that it changed, so it was modified when I updated my system |
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| 15:36.15 | \amethyst | sin_: ah, maybe your system DPI had been set to 72 before |
| 15:36.36 | sin_ | yes but still now I went into wmii, xdpyinfo | grep resolution gives 96 |
| 15:36.47 | sin_ | that is because I am not running gnome I guess so I get the default X's one |
| 15:37.03 | Lovecraft | After a reinstallation and upgrade to 'testing' / lenny/sid, X is once again broken. It happens on the upgrade to lenny/sid. This was a clean install. |
| 15:37.20 | \amethyst | sin_: yes... you said X programs like xterm look fine? |
| 15:37.21 | vins | oops :/ |
| 15:37.26 | sin_ | \amethyst, yes |
| 15:37.33 | \amethyst | sin_: how are you specifying xterm's font, with a pixel or point size? |
| 15:37.44 | defrysk | Lovecraft, I did the same this morning, no issues |
| 15:37.53 | defrysk | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 15:38.01 | sin_ | \amethyst, I am not using xterm, I haven't done anything to it, so it is actually the default setting |
| 15:38.12 | enouf | !info xdebconfigurator |
| 15:38.17 | dpkg | xdebconfigurator: (A script used with debconf to autoconfigure xserver-xorg), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.33 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 15:38.24 | enouf | hrm |
| 15:38.45 | Lovecraft | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is broken. |
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| 15:39.42 | defrysk | is off |
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| 15:40.01 | vader-- | Any of you guys install NRPE for nagions on a remote Debian 3.1 box? |
| 15:40.05 | enouf | !bts |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 15:41.50 | Lovecraft | There seems to be some problems in detecting stuff. |
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| 15:42.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:42.27 | enouf | vins: apologies from skewing away from your original 'apt latency' issues, can you explain more about it? are you using a Proxy? is it your Desktop machine at home? does 'apt-get ..', and 'apt-cache ...' act the same way? |
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| 15:42.44 | enouf | vins: perhaps you want a closer/local debian mirror? |
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| 15:44.10 | vins | I have the latency problem on my laptop (desktop), I'm not using a proxy and I don't have the problem when I connect my laptop on another modem |
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| 15:44.23 | renard99 | Alsa and vlc are already at max volume. How can I amplify sound further? |
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| 15:45.17 | vins | I have removed IPv6 support of my debian and the problem is resolved with firefox (there was 8 seconds of latency too) |
| 15:45.20 | enouf | vins: cable modems? DSL modems? |
| 15:45.25 | enouf | vins: dialup? |
| 15:45.29 | vins | DSL modem |
| 15:45.34 | vins | with ethernet |
| 15:45.40 | abrotman | Damn Slow Line |
| 15:45.49 | noisesmith | renard99: you could use the ladspa amplify plugin (mplayer can use ladspa plugins) |
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| 15:46.32 | vins | is there an option to remove ipv6 support of apt-get ? |
| 15:46.42 | vins | with apt-conf ? |
| 15:46.46 | noisesmith | renard99: also check that not only master volume, but also pcm are turned up in alsamixer |
| 15:47.10 | enouf | vins: is your ISPs DNS servers the same? (in each modem's setup? .. using a Router prior?) .. each modem might want different DNS Servers listed in your /etc/resolv.conf? or are your pppoe settings off? i really don't know much about DSL connections/modems |
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| 15:47.59 | vins | I have no idea of that |
| 15:48.22 | enouf | vins: generally, there's no need to touch ipv6 stuff - usually though, you blacklist the appropriate modules if really needed - you can likely tell Firefox to not use ipv6 |
| 15:48.23 | renard99 | noisesmith: They are, but it seems mplayer has a wider range of volume than vlc, so I'm good. |
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| 15:49.39 | vins | yes and it works with firefox but I don't know how to do with apt-get I don't find any option |
| 15:50.18 | noisesmith | vins: I am having that same latency issue with one of my machines |
| 15:50.37 | enouf | vins: "removing ipv6 support of my debian" does not == Firefox > Preferences > OPtions > whatever > no IPV6 ;-) |
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| 15:51.12 | enouf | vins: and btw, how did you "removed IPv6 support of my debian" ? |
| 15:51.13 | vins | oh cool and resoled ? :) |
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| 15:52.33 | noisesmith | so where in iceweasel do I turn of ipv6? |
| 15:52.50 | _sin_ | alright so I got my font size back to more or less normal, but now the quality of the font is not so good hmm :S |
| 15:53.06 | hoxu | suggestions for backing up gmail? getmail4 + imap didn't work for me, as it kept redownloading all the messages |
| 15:53.06 | vins | enouf : yes I have first remove ipv6 only for firefox and then I try to remove it for the system because I didn't find any option in apt |
| 15:53.16 | enouf | vins: try this; sysctl -w "net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1" |
| 15:53.37 | _sin_ | I touched the .Xresources file to set the default dpi |
| 15:53.44 | vins | error: "net.ipv4.ip_forward " is an unknown key |
| 15:53.53 | vader-- | can anyone assit me i just did an apt-get update |
| 15:53.57 | enouf | vins: try this; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 <-- try that |
| 15:54.05 | vader-- | i am trying to install nrpe from aptitude |
| 15:54.14 | vader-- | just did the update and now it wants to remove some stuff |
| 15:54.14 | vader-- | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 15:54.15 | vader-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.47 | xingu | _sin_: xorg gets dpi set correctly these days from edid data (or where this is lacking - DisplaySize dimensions in your monitor section) |
| 15:54.52 | enouf | !tell vader-- about hold |
| 15:54.57 | vins | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 15:55.01 | abrotman | uhm? he should finish his dist-upgrade |
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| 15:55.05 | enouf | vader--: now try apt-get |
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| 15:55.07 | enouf | gah |
| 15:55.12 | enouf | vins: now try apt-get |
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| 15:55.22 | abrotman | there's no 2.4 in etch .. and no 2.6.16 in sarge |
| 15:55.34 | vins | I have still latency |
| 15:55.40 | enouf | i know - i though it was 'wd' with sarge floppies ;-) |
| 15:55.41 | xingu | _sin_: generally speaking using obsolete cargo-cult-esque howtos on x11 font prettification is a surefire route to disaster |
| 15:55.44 | vader-- | abrotman i am running kernel 2.6.16.4 |
| 15:55.47 | vader-- | i recompiled it |
| 15:55.57 | vader-- | it came with 2.4.27 |
| 15:56.08 | abrotman | vader--: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:56.16 | abrotman | vader--: and put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 15:56.26 | enouf | and no kernel-image-name with .16 |
| 15:56.34 | _sin_ | xingu I tried cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i displaysize and I did not get anything, there is no DisplaySize in my xorg.conf |
| 15:56.35 | enouf | those are all linux-image-name |
| 15:56.35 | vins | I have remove ipv6 blacklisting ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 15:56.42 | vader-- | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 15:56.46 | vader-- | only one line |
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| 15:57.15 | googlah | I would need my sound working.. :/ Anybody have a clue? I have a slightly new Gigabyte P35 DS3 (rev1.0) MB with on-board audio. |
| 15:57.23 | xingu | _sin_: probably, because you haven't set one; what does xdpyinfo say about your screen's dimensions, and is it right? |
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| 15:58.10 | enouf | vins: if still after the net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 same issues, do sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=0 to return it to previous state |
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| 15:59.07 | xingu | enouf: re: adjtimex adventures in wonderland - ntpd doesn't get a chance to re-regulate if you have a pre-existing driftfile - and - it's now wrong. |
| 15:59.09 | _sin_ | xingu: well it says 72x72 because I just changed it and 1280x800. But it doesn't look like before, 72x72 may be more or less the normal size font but it is quite distorted. |
| 15:59.23 | vader-- | http://www.pastebin.ca/1008319 |
| 15:59.28 | xingu | _sin_: _dimensions_ - in millimeters |
| 15:59.35 | enouf | xingu: nice one ;-) |
| 15:59.58 | _sin_ | xingu: 339x212 |
| 15:59.59 | xingu | enouf: ... so obviously blowing away a driftfile is the way forward |
| 16:00.08 | enouf | vins: comment out this line -> alias net-pf-10 ipv6 <-- in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 16:00.14 | vader-- | abrotman this is a production Asterisk PBX how bad will running that install screw things up? |
| 16:00.26 | enouf | xingu: stanky dead driftwood ;-0 |
| 16:00.27 | vader-- | my goal is just to get nrpe running |
| 16:00.28 | abrotman | vader--: well ... those are your running kernels |
| 16:00.41 | vader-- | why does it want to remove them now? |
| 16:00.47 | abrotman | vader--: just so you're aware .. sarge security support ended a month ago |
| 16:00.56 | xingu | _sin_: right, so that looks sane - now if xorg is calculating the correct dpi from your (dots / inches) then that's not your problem. |
| 16:00.57 | abrotman | vader--: because you're pointing at 'stable' .. not 'sarge' |
| 16:01.07 | vader-- | ya this box sits by itself |
| 16:01.07 | enouf | xingu: from whence doth thou driftfile originate? |
| 16:01.14 | vader-- | abrotman how can i fix that? |
| 16:01.21 | vader-- | i had it where all it was using was the cdrom |
| 16:01.24 | vader-- | i kinda liked that |
| 16:01.27 | abrotman | you can try to point it at sarge instead of stable .. but you really really should upgrade the box |
| 16:01.30 | xingu | enouf: ntpd itself spits it out if you tell it to with ntp.conf: driftfile directive |
| 16:01.40 | xingu | enouf: (and in the ordinary case - you really, really want to do that) |
| 16:01.46 | enouf | xingu: ahh.. ok thanks - good heads up |
| 16:01.51 | abrotman | vader--: so every place it says 'stable' .. you change to 'sarge' |
| 16:01.51 | noisesmith | vader--: apt-cdrom ? |
| 16:01.58 | _sin_ | xingu: some programs look ok, gnome-terminal has big fonts, xchat also, synaptic has normal ones, iceweasel too. |
| 16:02.24 | abrotman | noisesmith: look at his CD sources .. it's been a long time since "sarge" was "unstable" |
| 16:02.26 | vins | enouf : still the problem :( |
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| 16:02.50 | xingu | _sin_: at a guess, the difference is whether or not you've asked for bitmap fonts |
| 16:02.51 | abrotman | noisesmith: the CDs are dated from 2005 .. obviously very very out of date |
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| 16:03.17 | vader-- | ya |
| 16:03.30 | enouf | vins: and uncomment this line (just the 1st hash there); alias net-pf-10 off IPv6 in file:///etc/modutils/aliases |
| 16:03.30 | vader-- | i installed this system back in like december of 05 |
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| 16:03.36 | vader-- | it's been running rock solid |
| 16:03.46 | vader-- | problem is we use it for our telephone system |
| 16:03.48 | enouf | valdyn_: and you would need to reboot for it/all that to take affect |
| 16:03.48 | xingu | _sin_: a vector font will come out at the right size; a bitmap font, if you've gone from a wrong fake dpi, to one which is now calculated correctly - your chosen point sizes will scale correspondingly. |
| 16:03.52 | enouf | gah |
| 16:03.55 | vader-- | so kinda need total uptime on it |
| 16:03.57 | enouf | vins: and you would need to reboot for it/all that to take affect |
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| 16:04.06 | enouf | valdyn_: apologies, my bad tab |
| 16:04.19 | vins | ok I try thank you very much for help |
| 16:04.27 | _sin_ | xingu: so how do I get vector fonts only ? |
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| 16:05.30 | xingu | _sin_: check /etc/fonts/conf.d/*bitmap* - I have 70-no-bitmaps.conf, which is a start. |
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| 16:06.52 | _sin_ | xingu: I do not have 70-no-bitmaps.conf. |
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| 16:07.02 | georgij | PLEASE HELP ME |
| 16:07.06 | xingu | _sin_: a simpler test case is to pick a font that you know to be vector; I use monospace 8 in my xchat |
| 16:07.07 | abrotman | go to #ubuntu |
| 16:07.15 | georgij | Ubuntu can suck my cock |
| 16:07.16 | _sin_ | xingu I use monospace too |
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| 16:07.50 | georgij | I am getting error 17 while booting ubuntu PLEASE HELp |
| 16:07.54 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 16:07.56 | enouf | _sin_: well, just to offer some info, iceweasel has it's own font controls/settings/cache, iinm - whereas Synaptics doesn't even have a font setting (does it? it's using the system-wide font settings, no?), but gnome-terminal and xchat would/do .. |
| 16:08.10 | abrotman | georgij: Ubuntu is not supported here, try #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 16:08.18 | georgij | I wrote some code in the terminal mounted something in dev sda1 |
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| 16:08.28 | enouf | georgij: wrong channel |
| 16:08.36 | georgij | Debian is fucking ubuntu |
| 16:08.38 | georgij | just help me |
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| 16:08.49 | enouf | georgij: yuo def won't get help now ;-) |
| 16:08.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 16:08.54 | abrotman | whoa |
| 16:08.56 | abrotman | god damn it |
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| 16:08.58 | enouf | not even in ##linux from moi ;-) |
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| 16:09.12 | vins | enouf : still the problem ^^ |
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| 16:09.30 | enouf | vins: ok, time to undo what we've done - remember what? |
| 16:09.44 | vins | yes |
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| 16:10.30 | enouf | ok, one file, you added a comment /etc/modprobe.d/aliases , -- one you removed it /etc/modutils/aliases |
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| 16:11.25 | enouf | vins: how about using the modem that works ;-) |
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| 16:11.40 | mot | *shakes fist* IT!! |
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| 16:11.46 | mot | alright gentlemen i need your help |
| 16:11.46 | enouf | vins: did you answer us about a router in there? |
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| 16:11.58 | abrotman | enouf: i thought you were in the OT? |
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| 16:12.05 | abrotman | erm .. OT channel |
| 16:12.16 | enouf | abrotman: i was, i keeop forgetting to /j |
| 16:12.20 | abrotman | oh |
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| 16:12.32 | enouf | after i tweak some settings and refire up irc |
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| 16:12.40 | mot | here is my predicament: i work as a sysadmin-type doing IT stuff at michigan state university, however there are two problems. first, i am a student so you know, what the fuck do i know? second, i work in the plant and soil sciences building (glorified farmers) so nobody knows anything about IT and i'm basically the only resource because they don't have anybody fulltime |
| 16:12.52 | mot | i have two fileservers that i'm responsible for |
| 16:13.03 | mot | and nobody knows the local passwords for either, so i have basically no access to them |
| 16:13.09 | mot | so i wanted to wipe off windows 2003 server and throw on debian |
| 16:13.11 | mot | really. really badly. |
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| 16:13.22 | mot | however, you know how most people are - they hear linux and automatically shit all over themselves |
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| 16:13.33 | vins | enouf : I have a modem-router |
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| 16:13.43 | abrotman | mot: be better on one line |
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| 16:13.45 | mot | my boss was like "well i don't really want to put linux on there because nobody knows how to use it" (nevermind the fact that those boxes are my sole responsibility) |
| 16:14.07 | mot | so here's my actual question: how should i convince my boss to let me install debian on these boxes, and not w2k3 server? |
| 16:14.38 | noisesmith | mot: if stability and security record won't convince him, I don't know what would |
| 16:14.47 | o2T7 | mot: leave it as is and he shall convince himself that the situations is unsostenible |
| 16:15.08 | vlt_ | Hello. I use Debian Etch on a NAT router. Sometimes packets are sent out through one device with the other device's IP address. Any idea where to look first why? |
| 16:15.10 | waseem57 | mot: debian is free as in free beer and as in freedom |
| 16:15.35 | abrotman | mot: setup a test box .. as a fileserver .. have it integrate with the domain/whatever .. and show him that it works just as well, ifn ot better |
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| 16:15.51 | abrotman | waseem57: not a valid argument at a Uni with a site license |
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| 16:15.58 | vins | enouf, thanks for help I must go :) |
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| 16:16.21 | enouf | vins: ok |
| 16:16.41 | mot | the only issue i think she has is that i'm a student and i'm graduating in a year |
| 16:16.48 | mot | and she wants whoever she hires to be able to administer it |
| 16:16.57 | mot | (and most people don't know linux)... |
| 16:17.13 | waseem57 | mot: does she knows anything about servers and stuff? |
| 16:17.18 | abrotman | doesn't EvilSporkMan go to MSU ? |
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| 16:17.37 | mot | no |
| 16:17.41 | mot | you see the quandry here is that |
| 16:17.48 | hmmhesays | ok how the heck did this kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64 get installed on an intel box? |
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| 16:17.59 | roue | hola |
| 16:18.03 | abrotman | hmmhesays: because em64t is AMD64 |
| 16:18.05 | mot | nobody here knows anything about IT except for me. they all want my advice, but if it deviates outside of the little realm of technical comprehension (point and click) that they have, they automatically tune out and ignore me. |
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| 16:18.43 | o2T7 | mot: well, once graduated they could contract you |
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| 16:18.49 | abrotman | or hire you :) |
| 16:18.55 | mot | no that's okay - the pay sucks and the job sucks |
| 16:19.02 | mot | plus i'm already going into the navy as an officer anyways. |
| 16:19.09 | abrotman | mot: setup a demo .. only want it's going to happen |
| 16:19.12 | waseem57 | mot: then i don't think there is any other good point to convince those people than tell them that you will save them a lot of money. |
| 16:19.17 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 16:19.17 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 16:19.28 | jelly | is there something like adjtimex that can compare kernel with cmos _and_ ntp time sources? |
| 16:19.30 | roue | I'm running Etch on a box with PCI card lspci -vvv identifies as "00:07.0 RAID bus controller: American Megatrends Inc. MegaRAID (rev 02)". It has two drives attached to it (RAID mirror), but when I modprobe megaraid, megaraid_mm, and megaraid_mbox it sees the device but not the drives. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 16:19.30 | abrotman | hmmhesays: satisfied ? |
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| 16:19.39 | hmmhesays | yup |
| 16:19.47 | hmmhesays | annoyed but satisfied |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | hmmhesays: /msg dpkg amd64 if you want more info |
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| 16:20.06 | abrotman | or read the page at debian.org/ports/ or whatever it is |
| 16:20.10 | roue | We migrated this box from RedHat (old old old, probably a 2.4 kernel) which saw the drives fine (and still does when I boot into it). |
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| 16:20.31 | abrotman | roue: isn't there a megaraid2 module ? |
| 16:20.45 | roue | abrotman I don't know. I'll take a look. |
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| 16:21.40 | roue | abrotman - I don't see one. would it just be called megaraid2? |
| 16:21.50 | hmmhesays | yeah me vncserver is segfaulting at start and I'm trying to chase down why |
| 16:22.27 | Bushmills | jelly, ntp. it does both slewing and updating the hardware clock. |
| 16:22.51 | jelly | Bushmills: ntpd fails miserably on a couple machines I have |
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| 16:23.07 | jelly | Bushmills: I'm currently running ntpdate in cron :-| |
| 16:23.18 | Bushmills | jelly do you run adjtimex at the same time? |
| 16:23.26 | jelly | Bushmills: no. |
| 16:23.35 | hmmhesays | is there any alternative to Xserver? |
| 16:23.40 | jelly | Bushmills: that wouldn't be a good idea ;-) |
| 16:23.51 | Bushmills | did you set time before starting ntp? |
| 16:24.02 | enouf | jelly: just a guess, but http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/char/Kconfig#L777 ? |
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| 16:24.27 | jelly | Bushmills: don't remember, actually, but let's assume the answer is yes |
| 16:24.48 | jelly | Bushmills: they just drift away is ntpd is running |
| 16:25.49 | enouf | jelly: i know one kid you put his ntp sync stuff in rc.local :-P |
| 16:26.14 | hmmhesays | vncserver seems to not work very well in this arch |
| 16:26.22 | cyph3r_ | what permissions would I set to a dir that someone could add files to the dir but couldn't delete the dir |
| 16:26.25 | cyph3r_ | is that possible? |
| 16:26.50 | stew | cyph3r_: make the dir +w but make the dir's parent dir not have +w |
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| 16:27.14 | cyph3r_ | stew, thanks |
| 16:27.21 | stew | cyph3r_: (deleting a file / directory is an operation on the parent directory, not the file/directory itself) |
| 16:27.26 | enouf | roue: how many ports on the controller? what drives are they? do you need dmraid for that? |
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| 16:28.10 | fxcp | anyone here has experiences with vlans running linksys switches? the switch i use can handle tag-based vlans (802.1q). does it include thy can handle port-based vlns? |
| 16:28.12 | roue | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.47 | enouf | roue: so, EIDE/PATA drives? |
| 16:28.52 | roue | enouf yes. |
| 16:29.16 | enouf | roue: does the controller require using 2 ports over the other 2 if only 2 drives exist? |
| 16:29.28 | enouf | roue: kind of like RAM DIMM slots, etc |
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| 16:29.47 | Bushmills | jelly, i'd to stop ntp, delete the drift file, set time, and start ntp again |
| 16:30.02 | roue | I don't think so. The drives haven't been switched from the ports they were in when we booted redhat. I can still boot them under redhat (the old RH install is on those drives). |
| 16:30.06 | Bushmills | then give it a few hours |
| 16:30.19 | enouf | Bushmills: you've been listening to xingu , haven't you? :-P |
| 16:30.37 | Bushmills | enouf: what makes you think that? |
| 16:30.41 | zoldar | hello, anybody experienced segfault after updating php to 5.2.6 (from dotdeb repository) ? |
| 16:31.07 | enouf | Bushmills: oh nm - he mentioned this (deleting a driftfile) up there somewhere ^^^^^ |
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| 16:31.49 | enouf | roue: hrm ... |
| 16:31.50 | roue | enouf is mdadm used to manage hardware raid? |
| 16:31.50 | enouf | roue: so / is on those drives? |
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| 16:31.58 | enouf | roue: no, mdadm is software raid |
| 16:32.08 | roue | enouf it is under RH. the Etch install is on a new drive on the motherboard's IDE channel. |
| 16:32.11 | Bushmills | enouf: oh. good. so maybe that's not a completely stupid suggestion. |
| 16:32.24 | stew | zoldar: i doubt many people would be using dotdeb. why are you bothering with dotdeb? |
| 16:32.31 | enouf | but, dmraid is used for fakeraid, so likely doesn't apply either - not sure if you need devicemapper at all though |
| 16:32.41 | aasdfas | anyone here uses paltalk or recommend using paltalk? what about skype? are they trying to screw up my speaking skills? |
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| 16:32.42 | xingu | enouf: actually I take back what I said about adjtimex; it's the way adjtimexconfig estimates tick and frequency that are totally bogus and will hose a tickless kernel for sure. |
| 16:32.43 | enouf | roue: ^^^^ |
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| 16:32.53 | zoldar | stew: i have one machine on sarge (not for long but still) |
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| 16:32.53 | xingu | enouf: the only sane way to do it is to estimate both after letting ntp regulate _its_ pll. |
| 16:32.56 | enouf | roue: just let me say - see lunux-ata.org for general info about those |
| 16:32.59 | noisesmith | I have a 2wire gateway here, my ubuntu box can connect to it via 802.11b, as can my pure:dyne box, but my debian box gets throttled/stalled for certain protocols: is that a debian bug or a 2wire bug? other wifi devices (ie. an ad hoc wifi connection) work just fine. I am looking into ipmasq but I wonder if there is an easier fix |
| 16:33.08 | enouf | xingu: ok, i suck anyways ;-) |
| 16:33.28 | stew | zoldar: but why use dotdeb intead of backports.org? (backports.org typically would have much higher quality software, since it comes from debian developers) |
| 16:33.33 | enouf | Bushmills: i goofed ..again ;-) |
| 16:33.38 | stew | zoldar: note that sarge is no longer getting security support |
| 16:33.44 | roue | enouf the netsplit ate what you were referring to. What? |
| 16:33.51 | zoldar | stew: thank you for suggestion |
| 16:34.19 | zoldar | i'll switch to etch asap |
| 16:34.38 | Bushmills | enouf: nm - whatever as said it was passing me by altogether - i only came on now |
| 16:34.47 | stew | zoldar: '/msg dpkg sarge->etch' for instructions for upgrading |
| 16:35.01 | noisesmith | noisesmith: pings, irc, and apt-get go through fine, http and ssh stall |
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| 16:37.16 | Bushmills | jelly, what does cat /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift show? |
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| 16:38.34 | xingu | enouf: if you ever find yourself having hosed a system by installing it; "adjtimex --tick 0" will spit out "n <= tick <= m" - then adjtimex --tick (n+m)/2 --frequency 0; then let ntpd re-regulate; then use "adjtimex --log=somefile", and a day later, "adjtimex --review=somefile" |
| 16:38.57 | enouf | roue: i have no 1st hand megaraid experience, but perhaps type in "megaraid" in search box here; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/+search and search this page also for megaraid http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 16:39.17 | roue | enouf - okay, thanks for the suggestions. |
| 16:39.22 | enouf | roue: i know you said PATA drives, but that's all i know |
| 16:39.44 | roue | it's looking like it might be a firmware bug ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=203592#c10 ) |
| 16:40.23 | jelly | Bushmills: a reasonable figure of "-17.113", last time it was running (a year ago) |
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| 16:41.03 | Bushmills | a year ago ... but you run ntp from crontab and it throws your machine off? |
| 16:41.13 | zxd_ | is there any perfomance boost in running a 64bit kernel in a 32bit distro? |
| 16:41.33 | Optic | well, most of your apps won't work, so you'll have more spare CPU cycles ;) |
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| 16:41.45 | Optic | actually i'm totally full of shit |
| 16:41.47 | jelly | Bushmills: that was, I believe, the time when we switched to running ntpdate because ntpd didn't work well |
| 16:41.48 | Optic | i'm just being silly |
| 16:41.50 | hanedera | to make use of default settings in /etc/kde3 I would need to set the env var KDEDIRS to point there, right? |
| 16:41.52 | Bushmills | zxd_: there is more likely a tiny performance loss |
| 16:42.00 | zxd_ | :) |
| 16:42.10 | hanedera | any kde pros here? |
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| 16:42.43 | hanedera | what is the correct location to set an env var for all users? |
| 16:43.18 | hmmhesays | anyone run across this trying to start Xrealvnc ? Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/lib/X11/rgb' |
| 16:43.32 | jelly | Bushmills: ntpdate steps about .7 - 1.0s, run hourly, on this machine, and it works. I'd prefer if ntpd worked. |
| 16:43.34 | simonrvn | it's in /etc/X11 |
| 16:43.40 | simonrvn | hmmhesays: ^^^ |
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| 16:46.16 | Bushmills | jelly, usually it works, if the local slew data is not completely wrong. and it doesn't like wildly changing network delays a lot. |
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| 16:46.40 | bk__ | how can i see if the network interface is on 10 mbps or 100 mbps? |
| 16:46.50 | hmmhesays | is it looking for rgb.txt? |
| 16:47.06 | xingu | jelly: does ntpd ever synchronise? (ntpdc -c kerninfo) |
| 16:47.25 | xingu | jelly: ie you'd be looking for status 0001 in there. |
| 16:47.44 | Bushmills | jelly, have seen ntp swinging around their ideal correction, with the swing increasing |
| 16:47.54 | jelly | xingu: lemme go back to ntpd and answer that in a couple days :-) |
| 16:47.59 | hmmhesays | ok now it just segfaults straight out |
| 16:48.01 | xingu | jelly: and you're not doing anything mad like trying to sync a vm system clock? |
| 16:48.09 | simonrvn | hmmhesays: yeh it is |
| 16:48.18 | jelly | xingu: these are real machines |
| 16:48.22 | hmmhesays | yeah now it just segfaults, this sucks |
| 16:48.30 | xingu | jelly: helps if you use server ... minpoll 6 maxpoll 7 iburst |
| 16:48.54 | simonrvn | hmmhesays: i dunno what happened, since i only just started paying attention here |
| 16:49.14 | xingu | jelly: winching the maxpoll right in to 64s helps reduce the amount of total time it takes to get the phase error and skew right. |
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| 16:49.27 | hmmhesays | simonrvn, oh I'm trying to get vncserver running on this machine and it just segfaults |
| 16:49.47 | xingu | jelly: also real good idea to use driftfile ..., otherwise you'll be doing it all over again the next time you restart ntpd... |
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| 16:50.30 | enouf | xingu: well, gollllie ;-) i think i played with adjtimex once, almost broke the system, stopped toying with it ;-) xingu i wonder, do you think any of these; "Applying Intel IA32 Microcode update... done." types of code interfere with ntp/d or adjtimex ? (i've been looking feverishly for this info, i see it plain as day in tty1 - but had to go to /var/log/boot* to retrieve it from logs (nothing mentioned in /messages, /kern.* , /syslog.* )) |
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| 16:51.37 | Bushmills | one of mine also went totally wild when i had adjtimex and ntp together. |
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| 16:51.50 | Bushmills | learned to better not do that :) |
| 16:51.53 | xingu | enouf: possible, but doubtful if ntpd has been running for any length of time |
| 16:52.15 | xingu | Bushmills: that's precisely what I'm de-kinking at the moment; the concept is fine, it's adjtimeconfig that's fubarred |
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| 16:52.49 | xingu | Bushmills: once I've managed to undo the damage locally I'll get back to making adjtimex behave as well. |
| 16:53.35 | enouf | hanedera: not sure, but look in file:///etc/kde3/kdm/ as well, try #kde, or maybe even #debian-kde |
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| 16:54.37 | wng-- | is there a good way to install nvidia-glx-legacy on lenny? |
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| 16:55.06 | Bushmills | xingu: sounds good, removing that pitfall. |
| 16:55.14 | keith4 | mmmm, whiskey |
| 16:55.36 | Bushmills | xingu: it is not frequently warned of that combination. |
| 16:55.49 | simonrvn | @fuck whiskey |
| 16:55.57 | keith4 | so, I can use "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" to set iceweasel as the default... is there an equivalent for icedove? |
| 16:56.53 | Bushmills | keith4, define "equivalent" |
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| 16:57.13 | ehird | https://launchpad.net/~ipod-touch/+archive how can I get this for debian>? |
| 16:57.14 | ehird | stable |
| 16:57.22 | xingu | Bushmills: mmm; it's literally the scheme that adjtimexconfig is using to guess "good" values for "tick" is bogus. |
| 16:57.31 | keith4 | well, when I click website link in icedove, iceweasel opens. but when i click a mailto: link in iceweasel... evolution opens |
| 16:57.38 | xingu | Bushmills: ntpd will set "frequency" anyway as it does its own error estimation |
| 16:57.51 | enouf | keith4: likely in kcontrol for KDE |
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| 16:58.00 | keith4 | enouf: and for gnome? |
| 16:58.04 | enouf | keith4: gnome, not sure ;-) |
| 16:58.12 | keith4 | yah, me neither |
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| 16:58.23 | enouf | keith4: system > preferences > somewhere |
| 16:58.33 | Bushmills | keith4, alternatives, possibly |
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| 16:59.19 | enouf | keith4: i'm almost positive kcontrol has an applet for setting default Mail application to use - likely gnome has similar |
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| 16:59.35 | keith4 | Bushmills: nothing in /etc/alternatives that points to evolution, nor anything that contains "mail" in the name |
| 16:59.50 | xingu | Bushmills: ntpd is pretty unstoppable once it gets its own clock estimation within a few microseconds of the peer (see offset column); it'll lock on like nobody's business unless you've done something daft designwise |
| 16:59.52 | Bushmills | keith4. not, not alternatives. no x-mailer or similar in there. |
| 17:00.07 | keith4 | yah, that's what i'm looking for |
| 17:00.10 | noisesmith | ehird: see those dependancies on the bottom on the page? apt-get the debian versions of those |
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| 17:00.24 | Jumba | eh, I'm trying to open up some ports in debian but i don't think they're opening.. any ideas how to open em up? |
| 17:00.26 | xingu | Bushmills: there are admittedly a whole nest of factors that can impact things though, so folk tend to get it wrong more often than not |
| 17:00.31 | ehird | noisesmith: sorry but the whole repos are incompatible ;) |
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| 17:00.44 | cahoot | keith4: try gcon-editor |
| 17:00.51 | cahoot | keith4: gconf-editor |
| 17:00.56 | noisesmith | ehird: many of those programs have debian packages |
| 17:01.02 | enouf | keith4: there's stuff exists like gnome-default-application-settings O_o |
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| 17:01.18 | ehird | noisesmith: I don't think you read the package description. It's patched versions that work with the iPhone. |
| 17:01.19 | Bushmills | xingu: most of the time,ntp manages to sort itself out after a while, if there isn't an active factor interfering |
| 17:01.34 | xingu | Bushmills: for instance my little gateway here is down to 0.000194s est error - and that's a crusoe tm5600 |
| 17:01.35 | cahoot | keith4: gconf-editor ->url-handlers->mailto |
| 17:01.41 | abrotman | roue: might not be in etch |
| 17:01.55 | keith4 | cahoot: enouf: looks like the "Preferred Applications" applet is a frontend to that section of gconf. thanks! |
| 17:02.01 | xingu | Bushmills: and that's not too ruddy bad considering that it's 1/ a crusoe and 2/ using a pcmcia NIC |
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| 17:02.05 | roue | abrotman: what might not be in etch? |
| 17:02.12 | abrotman | !find megaraid2.ko sid |
| 17:02.28 | roue | abrotman: ah. |
| 17:02.29 | noisesmith | ehird: well then what I would do is make the .debs from source |
| 17:02.51 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 17:02.52 | dpkg | niihau, abrotman |
| 17:03.05 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'megaraid2.ko' returned no results. |
| 17:03.08 | ehird | noisesmith: that's ... kinda the opposite of what i'd like to do, esp. since that they'll be patches against a different version |
| 17:03.16 | abrotman | roue: i must be going insane .. |
| 17:03.17 | ehird | I really just want to put music on my iphone using debian |
| 17:03.17 | ehird | :\ |
| 17:03.22 | keith4 | ugh, openoffice still insists on using evolution |
| 17:03.22 | abrotman | roue: more than i already am |
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| 17:03.35 | roue | abrotman: this is fine. it's the CRT radiation. |
| 17:03.44 | noisesmith | ehird: if you don't want to compile the .debs, wait for someone else to port them? |
| 17:03.48 | abrotman | i know i've seen it .. grr |
| 17:03.56 | abrotman | roue: or the beer .. |
| 17:03.59 | ehird | noisesmith: I was asking if anyone already had |
| 17:04.07 | roue | abrotman: looks like megaraid2 is a 2.4 kernel-ism. |
| 17:04.14 | abrotman | maybe it was .. hrm |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | roue: see .. getting old and feeble-minded |
| 17:04.32 | wng-- | is there a good way to install nvidia-glx-legacy on lenny? |
| 17:04.35 | roue | abrotman: soon you'll be in a home. |
| 17:04.51 | abrotman | hopefully they give me a long leash and water bowl |
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| 17:05.08 | enouf | keith4: #openoffice.org ? |
| 17:05.08 | Bushmills | xingu: those are mine atm: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1210007082141889760.png |
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| 17:05.25 | abrotman | Bushmills: is that your coffee intake? |
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| 17:06.01 | peterius | where does evolution/ssl look for user ssl certificates? I want to connect to an email server that keeps passing me an ssl to accept and I just want to store instead of reading the info each time |
| 17:06.02 | Bushmills | second one has a bit of network load, immediately shows |
| 17:06.27 | Bushmills | abrotman: no it isn't but you gave me a great idea :) |
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| 17:06.43 | abrotman | Bushmills: i just saw the "jitter" bit :) |
| 17:06.52 | xingu | Bushmills: what does ntpdc -c kerninfo say about est. error? |
| 17:07.05 | enouf | wng--: hrm, not sure -- seen "/msg dpkg nvidia" ? |
| 17:07.39 | Bushmills | third machine is 0.000378 s |
| 17:08.43 | Bushmills | the jittery one has estimated error: 0.000564 |
| 17:10.06 | xingu | Bushmills: seems high; ever thought about giving it a little chrt love? |
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| 17:10.16 | abrotman | put your chrt back on! |
| 17:10.38 | abrotman | peterius: can't you accept permanently or install ? |
| 17:10.49 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:10.49 | dpkg | i heard qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 17:10.49 | peterius | abrotman: no option to do so |
| 17:11.03 | abrotman | dumb |
| 17:11.27 | abrotman | peterius: ask #evolution on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:11.37 | Bushmills | xingu: the 2nd one? well, that's a loaded machine, and more a kind of fallback for ntp. |
| 17:11.39 | abrotman | i bet it's a gnome keyring thingie .. but no idea which iti s |
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| 17:11.56 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 17:11.59 | karmatronic | been a long time :) |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | and gals? |
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| 17:12.44 | xingu | Bushmills: bah, quality time is the only thing that's important in this life :) |
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| 17:13.23 | Bushmills | the first one i mainly leave alone. is the oldest of all, not a lot of RAM, slow cpu. ideal for ntp.:) that's what i'm suncing the local ntpd with |
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| 17:13.40 | karmatronic | does NAT-T require a kernel patch on 2.6.X ? |
| 17:13.58 | zErOaCid | i have a nic but i dont know the module for lne100tx ? |
| 17:14.20 | Bushmills | except for some daily backup both ways very little activity on that one |
| 17:15.18 | karmatronic | is there anyone using NAT-T :) |
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| 17:16.11 | enouf | zErOaCid: lspci -nn | grep -i Ether says? |
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| 17:19.30 | xingu | Bushmills: nb schedtool can be a bit nicer to work with than chrt etc; that, and its manpage is a bit less terse... |
| 17:20.17 | markybob | thank you, oh google lords, for changing your bookmarks api and breaking all my shit |
| 17:20.35 | enouf | haha, "Do no evil" |
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| 17:21.40 | peterius | karmatronic: NAT-T? |
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| 17:22.22 | Bushmills | and it's a deb package |
| 17:22.37 | karmatronic | what kind of route shows up when a ipsec tunnel is enabled ? |
| 17:24.14 | peterius | karmatronic: sorry, personally I'm not that familiar |
| 17:24.35 | Bushmills | karmatronic: sorry, i'm only guessing here .. i'd think you'd have a tun0 interface, which is routed through "normally", i.e. visible with route -n |
| 17:24.36 | peterius | karmatronic I would guess it would be indistinsuighable though |
| 17:24.47 | peterius | yeah |
| 17:25.43 | karmatronic | Bushmills: no , there s no tun interface in ipsec :) |
| 17:25.53 | Bushmills | tap maybe? |
| 17:26.01 | karmatronic | Bushmills: there s no virtual device in that case (unfortunately ) |
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| 17:26.36 | karmatronic | Bushmills: my route shows up good , but pinging doesnt work |
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| 17:26.55 | karmatronic | Bushmills: and i suspect some missing routing ,cos tcpdump doesnt show this traffic |
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| 17:29.05 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 17:29.24 | xingu | karmatronic: I don't use any tunnel-mode, my transport mode stuff doesn't tamper with the kernel routing tables at all - it just uses them. |
| 17:29.28 | fas3r | it's possible to use truecrypt on LVM partition ? |
| 17:30.32 | karmatronic | xingu:using tunnel or transport mode still alters routing , i think ... |
| 17:30.41 | zErOaCid | enouf: 04:05.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX [11ad:000 |
| 17:31.00 | karmatronic | xingu: as you need a route to the virtual subnet provided by the other side of the tunnel |
| 17:31.12 | xingu | karmatronic: transport mode doesn't, here; kame-derived in-kernel (2.6) ipsec stack, racoon isakmpd |
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| 17:31.37 | xingu | karmatronic: again transport mode doesn't tunnel, hence the name, so no routing jiggery-pokery. |
| 17:31.48 | enouf | zErOaCid: i get "tulip" |
| 17:31.49 | enouf | ~$ grep '11ad .*0000' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 17:31.50 | enouf | tulip 0x000011ad 0x00000002 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
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| 17:32.35 | zErOaCid | enouf: thanks |
| 17:32.37 | karmatronic | xingu: yeah, i ll probably end tryinh racoon and isakmpd, openswan is a pain in the ass when you re not in the typical "2 public IP/2 subnets" mode ... |
| 17:32.49 | keith4 | can anyone recommend a good log analyzer that is packaged? |
| 17:33.10 | xingu | keith4: splunk? :) |
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| 17:33.49 | keith4 | xingu: is splunk packaged? |
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| 17:35.13 | xingu | keith4: for some arch's, yep. |
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| 17:36.20 | xingu | keith4: currently - i386, v3.2.3 from the looks |
| 17:36.39 | keith4 | xingu: not according to packages.debian.org it's not |
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| 17:36.50 | xingu | keith4: http://www.splunk.com/download |
| 17:37.08 | keith4 | hmmm |
| 17:37.13 | keith4 | strokes his beard |
| 17:37.36 | xingu | keith4: join the dark side, you know you want to |
| 17:37.47 | xingu | keith4: it's written in python, that makes it soft and cuddly right? |
| 17:37.54 | keith4 | ugh |
| 17:37.59 | keith4 | at least it's not java |
| 17:38.14 | xingu | keith4: it's written by some ex-google principals too :) |
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| 17:41.00 | Pio | anyone here happen to use dotdeb php5 packages on sarge? |
| 17:41.29 | simonrvn | on sarge? |
| 17:41.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:41.57 | keith4 | is php5 even packaged for sarge? |
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| 17:42.16 | Pio | that's where dotdeb comes in.. its an unofficial repo that provides php5 packages |
| 17:42.26 | keith4 | yikes |
| 17:42.28 | Pio | we'll be moving off sarge soon, these are some old servers.. |
| 17:42.47 | Pio | but really the dotdeb packages have always been of good quality, i used them for years |
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| 17:43.08 | Pio | they rolled out a php5 update on friday that caused apache segfaults on all our sarge boxes |
| 17:43.20 | keith4 | Pio: what's wrong with the backported package? |
| 17:43.24 | xingu | 's stomach turns at the thought of a c library that old |
| 17:43.38 | enouf | fas3r: crypt-setup is not good enough? |
| 17:43.46 | Pio | keith4, hmm never looked in to that |
| 17:43.52 | keith4 | Pio: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=sarge-backports |
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| 17:44.08 | keith4 | Pio: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:44.11 | Pio | hmm, yeah, that sounds much better |
| 17:44.18 | fas3r | enouf: i don't know .. what 's crypt-setup ? |
| 17:44.29 | Pio | we'd just been using dotdeb for a long time, way before etch was released |
| 17:44.34 | xingu | _not_ having vdso/ sysenter on current metal must suck up the watts if nothing else |
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| 17:45.40 | enouf | fas3r: see wiki.debian.org for more about all that - ~$ apt-cache show cryptsetup |
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| 17:46.06 | fas3r | enouf: ok thank i go to see ;) |
| 17:46.29 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 17:46.34 | hmmhesays | looks like vncserver is completely broken on amd64 etch |
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| 17:47.11 | cire | Hi. I am using debian sid, and trying to control my X via vnc. I installed vnc4server and added "Load" "vnc" in modules section in xorg.conf. Unfortunately, there is no vnc.so file, and X tells me it can't find it. WHich packet provides vnc.so? |
| 17:47.49 | enouf | cire: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 17:48.14 | cire | thanks, I'll try this |
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| 17:49.31 | enouf | heh, auto-apt == same results, but much faster |
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| 17:50.12 | cire | too late ;) |
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| 17:52.02 | buntfalke | Hi |
| 17:52.10 | buntfalke | Is there a link like http://www.kernel.org/linux-latest-stable which permanently moves to the latest stable .tar.bz2 file? would be handy for scripting kernel updates... |
| 17:52.14 | benjamindees | dpkg, x-not-vnc is also ; <Cygwin> also provides a free (speech) X server for windows. |
| 17:52.14 | dpkg | benjamindees: okay |
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| 17:54.57 | LaicepS | hello |
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| 17:56.22 | phorce1 | oops -- /me needs to update my lenny --- Current status: 194 updates [+52], 7898 new [+14] |
| 17:56.27 | abrotman | jesus |
| 17:56.32 | LaicepS | when i run apt-get update i get an error about no public key for a repository whereas i don't this repo in my sources.list |
| 17:56.41 | LaicepS | +have |
| 17:56.45 | abrotman | LaicepS: paste the error and your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:57.19 | phorce1 | Need to get 276MB of archives. ouch |
| 17:57.25 | vlt | Hello. Any idea what could prevent iptables from doing proper SNAT? There are packets currently sent out through device ppp0 (w/ MASQUERADE in POSTROUTING) using another devices's src IP address. Those packtes are not being counted (`watch iptables ...`). Any idea where to look first? |
| 17:57.48 | abrotman | ask #iptables ? |
| 17:57.49 | Gorbulas | what happened with netatalk on lenny? was the update supposed to automatically convert my cnid database? |
| 17:57.52 | LaicepS | http://pastebin.com/d344d1389 |
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| 17:58.19 | extor | Can WMV filed run with VLC potentially carry viruses, trojans and adware to linux boxes too or does it only happen in windows? |
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| 17:58.49 | maligor | extor, theoretically |
| 17:59.10 | Gorbulas | I installed an update over a week ago and it changed my Berkeley DB version and I had to manually update the cnid2.db in some undocumented way |
| 17:59.13 | Mantaar | extor: probably not. |
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| 17:59.25 | Eulex | even if it did, virii on linux are pretty harmless |
| 17:59.25 | maligor | I didn't know any wmv could serve as a virus transport tho |
| 17:59.35 | noisesmith | windows media player and vlc are not bug compatible |
| 17:59.52 | Gorbulas | extor: yes, but the exploit code would need to target Linux because VLC and the like do not implement the entire win32 api |
| 17:59.55 | noisesmith | maligor: they need to take advantage of windows media player bugs |
| 18:00.00 | extor | "adware" sorta comes through iceweasel though--I do get popups :( |
| 18:00.05 | LaicepS | abrotman, any idea ? :) |
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| 18:00.15 | abrotman | i didn't see the paste yet ... |
| 18:00.21 | hoxu | extor, adblock, flashblock, noscript - problem solved |
| 18:00.24 | abrotman | LaicepS: i wanted your sources.list also |
| 18:00.25 | maligor | Gorbulas, maybe you could make a mono-compatible .NET virus |
| 18:00.27 | LaicepS | oh sorry, i'm new at using paste bin |
| 18:00.29 | Eulex | maligor, any program that reads a file and has vulnerabilities can be taken advantage of |
| 18:00.31 | extor | Gorb is the "infest your PC with adware" code in WMV sandboxed out of linux by design? |
| 18:00.39 | noisesmith | extor: the difference is that those are javascript- javascript is compatible between windows/linux to some degree. the binary api, not so much |
| 18:00.42 | maligor | Eulex, ofcourse, that's why I said theoretically |
| 18:01.02 | maligor | I'm not aware of any practical attack vectors for vlc/wmv on linux :P |
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| 18:01.08 | extor | Ok well..to cut a long story short I wanna know if all the WMV pr0n I run in VLC/Linux could possibly screw my box.. |
| 18:01.11 | Eulex | extor, eh, what code? |
| 18:01.15 | Gorbulas | VLC and MPlayer can execute the codecs from Windows, but they don't have all of Windows in there |
| 18:01.21 | vlt | abrotman: already did ask there :( |
| 18:01.21 | noisesmith | extor: the "infest your PC with adware" code relies on particular bugs in one implementation, even if it would work with vlc, it would not work with mplayer |
| 18:01.25 | LaicepS | ok, i pasted my sources.list too |
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| 18:02.01 | phorce1 | Cool, at least the aptitude download has grabbed my DSL subnet rather than the T1 I'm hooked up to. |
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| 18:02.04 | extor | noise but WMV+ Windows Media Player = Adware delivery + installation toolkit |
| 18:02.05 | noisesmith | extor: wmv files are not executable, only bugs in the player make them able to execute code, so you are safe |
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| 18:02.38 | noisesmith | extor: that is only with the help of windows media bugs, which are absent on linux (or at the very least substantially different) |
| 18:02.39 | maligor | could one use NX to stop that |
| 18:02.45 | extor | oh gawd you dont really know how they infect windows do you |
| 18:02.50 | Gorbulas | actually in WMP the file can open URLs which may exploit browser bugs |
| 18:02.54 | extor | its not BUGS it is by design |
| 18:02.54 | xNinja | whic is better for server debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 18:03.05 | noisesmith | extor: semantics |
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| 18:03.26 | Gorbulas | unwanted design features are bugs |
| 18:03.31 | unop | buntfalke, wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST*; latest=(LATEST*); echo latest kernel is ${latest##*-} |
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| 18:03.43 | noisesmith | extor: nothing in the wmv spec says a file should be able to execute code, so if a wmv file executes code (rather than just displaying) that is a bug |
| 18:03.47 | abrotman | LaicepS: where? |
| 18:03.57 | maligor | Gorbulas, it could be a conspiracy to sell more computers (and therefore windows licenses) :P |
| 18:04.00 | Mantaar | xNinja: wrong place, wrong question, |
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| 18:04.12 | xNinja | then which is the right place? |
| 18:04.20 | abrotman | LaicepS: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:04.24 | Mantaar | xNinja: We're here 'cause we use Debian. So we prefer Debian. That's why it's the wrong place. |
| 18:04.25 | noisesmith | #linux-distro-flamewar? |
| 18:04.31 | unop | file a bug for whatever it is that allows your wmv file to execute itself. |
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| 18:04.34 | maligor | extor, I wouldn't really worry about that if you don't use windows codecs |
| 18:04.40 | Scurz | xNinja: debian, of course ;) |
| 18:04.41 | abrotman | LaicepS: wait .. are you using debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 18:04.50 | LaicepS | abrotman, debian, lenny |
| 18:04.58 | xNinja | Mantaar i dont think wrong place and wrong question but i think you have something wrong :P |
| 18:04.59 | xNinja | lol |
| 18:05.00 | Mantaar | xNinja: wrong question: it's totally dependent on what you want to do with it. |
| 18:05.04 | abrotman | LaicepS: so what did you install from Ubuntu ? |
| 18:05.04 | maligor | even if you do use windows codecs, it probably still would fail |
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| 18:05.15 | abrotman | !tell LaicepS about apt-key E4946268 |
| 18:05.16 | Gorbulas | the open source codecs are pretty complete and are completely different |
| 18:05.16 | LaicepS | abrotman, nothing, IFAIK |
| 18:05.19 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:05.35 | Gorbulas | but can't play DRMed files(directshow probably won't either) |
| 18:05.35 | noisesmith | and regardless, mplayer can play wmv without any windows codecs |
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| 18:05.43 | xNinja | i like debian but i said let me ask |
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| 18:05.53 | LaicepS | abrotman, ok thanks, the problem is solved |
| 18:06.00 | maligor | Gorbulas, heh, yeah, ffmpeg is awesome |
| 18:07.15 | khaleel5000 | hello I have 3 files in folder /mnt/sda12/GB (named GBGSW.part1.rar ,GBGSW.part2.rar, GBGSW.part3.rar ) how do I un zip them in debian , with unrar i fail ,it shows error, the command I type is unrar-free -x (or -e ) /mnt/sda11/GB/GBGSW.part1.rar |
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| 18:07.35 | Gorbulas | what's the error? |
| 18:07.42 | noisesmith | I think if you WANTED your machine to get rooted by a malicious wmv, your only choice would be running windows-media-player under wine, and wine is unstable enough that that may not even work |
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| 18:08.22 | abrotman | xNinja: you're in #debian, you're going to get a totally biased answer |
| 18:08.40 | bogo | what do I have to do to change the default run-level ? so I can boot in console with networking etc. but not X ? I tried changing /etc/inittab but it seems that debian a different convention. |
| 18:08.49 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 18:08.49 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 18:08.53 | abrotman | !tell bogo bah |
| 18:08.55 | dondelelcaro | bogo: see above. |
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| 18:09.55 | Gorbulas | did I miss something with netatalk updates? I was running my own build that supported encryption for a while, and aptitude installed an update(even though I thought netatalk was on hold) that changed the database version from 4.2 to 4.6 |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | bogo: and FWIW .. run levels 2-5 in debian are the same by default |
| 18:10.05 | bogo | so without removing these packages, it can't be done ? I just want to boot my system into console and if I need something like firefox then I can start X or so |
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| 18:10.15 | abrotman | bogo: read the rest of what the bot said .. |
| 18:10.40 | bogo | abrotman, thanks. |
| 18:11.01 | Gorbulas | (specifically the thing about false) |
| 18:11.06 | noisesmith | I disagree with that dpkg suggestion: rename /etc/rc<n>.d/S[x]gdm to /etc/rc<n>.d/K[100-x]gdm |
| 18:11.12 | noisesmith | that is the right way |
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| 18:11.37 | Gorbulas | I'd use the "false" option |
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| 18:12.07 | fas3r | it's possible to ghost lvm file system ? |
| 18:12.24 | fas3r | with dd or partimage .. |
| 18:12.38 | Gorbulas | it's possible with madm, so I'd assume so |
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| 18:12.59 | Gorbulas | use the mount command to find the device |
| 18:13.24 | vlt | fas3r: `dd if=/dev/mapper/...` for example. |
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| 18:14.08 | stew | fas3r: take a look at lvm snapshots, which are a way of getting an image of a running lvm without having to worry about contents being changed mid-backup |
| 18:14.08 | fas3r | vlt: if i use dd i need to umount the partition no ? |
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| 18:14.10 | buntfalke | unop: thanks! |
| 18:14.32 | noisesmith | fas3r: I think remounting ro would be good enough |
| 18:14.34 | Gorbulas | unmount or mount readonly. stew's answer sounds better |
| 18:14.57 | xNinja | which is the best Virtualization to install on my remote debian server ? |
| 18:15.11 | vlt | fas3r: You don't _need_ to. But maybe some write process b0rks your dumped fs ... |
| 18:15.12 | xNinja | so that i can run multiple systems on that server |
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| 18:15.50 | Gorbulas | you don't need to, but you should if you want a valid filesystem in the image file |
| 18:15.54 | fas3r | and it doesn't exist utils like arc serve or livestate but free :) |
| 18:16.04 | cire | this is weird... I find a lot of howtos, telling me that vnc.so (or libvnc.so) was included in vnc4server package, but I cannot find it. Also, apt-file vnc.so tells me that libvnc.so is in xrdp package. I installed it, but X-Server cannot use this module. (LoadModule: Module vnc does not have a vncModuleData data object) |
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| 18:17.19 | cire | The only thing I wanna do is to control my running X Session from another computer. |
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| 18:17.53 | Gorbulas | cire: Gnome has something built in for that, or you can use x11vnc |
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| 18:18.08 | Mantaar | cire: have you thought about forwarding X11 over ssh? |
| 18:18.10 | vlt | fas3r: I don't know what the tools you mentioned are for. What do you want to do? |
| 18:18.24 | fas3r | i think i go to search information on snapshot like stew say |
| 18:18.47 | vlt | fas3r: Yes, snapshots may be what you're looking for. |
| 18:19.09 | fas3r | i need to don't turn off the server |
| 18:19.36 | unop | cire, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=vnc.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any # so it looks like you need to update apt and get the latest package list. sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude install vnc4server |
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| 18:20.08 | cire | unop: thanks, I'll try this. |
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| 18:21.40 | abrotman | !polls |
| 18:21.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 18:21.58 | markybob | i'm a boy! i use x and y! |
| 18:22.17 | markybob | get it? tough crowd :P |
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| 18:24.04 | abrotman | !cookie markybob |
| 18:24.05 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, deluge-torrent is a pygtk bittorrent client co-developed by our very own markybob. visit http://www.deluge-torrent.org for more |
| 18:24.16 | markybob | hehe :) |
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| 18:24.48 | markybob | uh, wtf. i think the cookie thing is broken |
| 18:25.09 | o2T7 | !cookie markybob |
| 18:25.10 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds reiser boot floppies... http://markybobdeb.sourceforge.net/zoltan/disks/xfs/, or these disks have moved to http://www.digitaltux.com/, or at http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ |
| 18:25.21 | markybob | that's better :) |
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| 18:26.15 | abrotman | eww |
| 18:26.28 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone have X="a little bit of time" and use Y="Debian as a NAT router" and could help with a routing problem? ;-) I have more than one WAN lines and try to use iproute2 and iptables to direct traffic to one or the other. |
| 18:26.32 | vlt | Sometimes the wrong src IP is used when sending out packets. Anyone who could help me? |
| 18:27.07 | abrotman | ask #iptables ? |
| 18:27.22 | Gorbulas | I do use Debian on a NAT router, but I only have one internet link |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | markybob: better that the stuff that gets dumped for my cookies |
| 18:27.34 | Gorbulas | you might need to have two nats |
| 18:27.44 | Pio | i have seen what you describe vlt, only for SIP traffic strangely enough |
| 18:27.51 | Pio | and i've never bothered figuring out why |
| 18:28.14 | SolidSlash | hey, during boot sequence I see ' blabla 8139cp, use 8139too instead'.. how to do that? |
| 18:28.15 | Gorbulas | actually |
| 18:28.18 | Gorbulas | try ebtables |
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| 18:28.47 | Gorbulas | you might be able to change the source IP to the correct one and not have issues when the packet comes back |
| 18:29.05 | Gorbulas | incoming packets, not the same packet returning |
| 18:30.24 | Gorbulas | SolidSlash: do you have a 8139 network card? |
| 18:30.29 | SolidSlash | yes |
| 18:30.36 | vlt | Gorbulas: I use CONNTRACK rules for incoming packets (or rather their answers) to mark and iproute fwmark filter for sending them to a certain routing table. But some packets are sent out using the wrong src IP. |
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| 18:31.39 | SolidSlash | I guess i gotta blacklist 8139cp and set 8139too to be loaded during boot, right? |
| 18:31.43 | Gorbulas | does Debian build that module in? |
| 18:31.51 | SolidSlash | yes |
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| 18:33.34 | benjamindees | SolidSlash, grep 8139 /etc/modules |
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| 18:34.03 | SolidSlash | that command gives me nothing |
| 18:34.36 | benjamindees | hmm, how do you manage to get a cardbus module loaded automatically; is it a laptop? |
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| 18:35.16 | SolidSlash | hm, do I have to edit /etc/modules and add a 8139too module into it ? |
| 18:35.46 | SolidSlash | also, removing 8139cp would be useful I guess |
| 18:35.53 | benjamindees | you could do that; but you probably want to remove... right |
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| 18:36.26 | SolidSlash | yeah, I want to get rid of 8139cp and use 8139too |
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| 18:39.21 | shyam_k | hi i was trying notify-send hi hello it replied nothing.. what could be the problem? |
| 18:39.43 | wam | Hi, I need a shared diskspace in my company. The features should be like what samba offers (i.e. per-user shares and per-group shares), but I don't need any windows support. I looked at coda, but the source changes are very slow. Are there any alternatives? |
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| 18:40.11 | Gorbulas | nfs? |
| 18:40.31 | hmmhesays | hmm how do I just extract the contents of a *.deb package ? |
| 18:40.32 | Gorbulas | sshfs maybe |
| 18:40.44 | wam | Gorbulas: Yeah, but I read that for auth&auth kerberos is required. And I don't want to use kerberos and ldap - that's too complicated for me ;) |
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| 18:40.58 | wam | Gorbulas: the performance isn't really good - but it's at least an alternative... |
| 18:41.05 | benjamindees | hmmhesays, cpio -i <package.deb |
| 18:41.23 | Gorbulas | do your computers have a centralized authentication system? |
| 18:41.28 | wam | Gorbulas: no |
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| 18:41.41 | Gorbulas | that's going to suck |
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| 18:42.26 | vlt | Can anyone have a look at http://rafb.net/p/yzKCIX13.html please? This is my current setup. Ayn idea why there are packets sent ou through ppp0 using the src IP of device "extern" (192.168.178.20)? |
| 18:42.32 | elias | where do I set environment variables for all users? |
| 18:42.34 | benjamindees | there are other alternatives, but they're all more complicated than nfs or samba |
| 18:42.37 | SolidSlash | eh, the 'use 8139too instead of 8139cp' message still shows up during boot.. any ideas? |
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| 18:42.47 | wam | benjamindees: which? |
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| 18:42.52 | elias | what is the best/appropriate place for env vars for all users? |
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| 18:43.04 | Gorbulas | elias: /etc/profile |
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| 18:43.10 | benjamindees | wam, afs |
| 18:43.20 | wam | benjamindees: andrews? Hmm - heard about that |
| 18:43.28 | elias | Gorbulas: just add an export there? |
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| 18:43.30 | dsnopek | I just upgraded from etch to lenny and the fonts in Gtk and Qt apps got huge (didn't seem to affect straight X apps). I changed the font size in my .gtkrc-2.0 and .qt/qtrc from 10 to 8 and now everything is normal sized again. I was just wondering if anyone else had this problem and if there was a better solution? |
| 18:43.58 | fglrx_drv | Hello. I'm trying to get fglrx-driver + fglrx-glx to work on Debian Stable w/ ATI Mobility X1400. I've installed the two packages and in xorg.conf my device section is as such: Section "Device"; Identifier "Device0"; Driver "fglrx"; EndSection (I've used ";" for new line). `ls -al /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so` shows that the file is there with perms 644 (root:root). However, when I startx, I get the following: FATAL: Module fglrx not foun |
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| 18:44.08 | Gorbulas | elias: should work like that |
| 18:44.08 | wam | benjamindees: hmm - at least it sounds interesting ;) I'll have a look. |
| 18:45.06 | shyam_k` | oh sorry if anybody replied to my problem.. i didnt see those messages |
| 18:45.18 | Gorbulas | how do you know which user is accessing the share? |
| 18:45.20 | shyam_k` | i was trying an emacs add-on and that truncated all those messages.. |
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| 18:47.35 | _vvd | fglrx_drv: you need to build the kernel fglrx.ko |
| 18:47.42 | wam | Gorbulas: just user&pass authentication |
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| 18:47.59 | _vvd | fglrx_drv: install fglrx-kernelsrc (somthing like that) |
| 18:48.25 | _vvd | fglrx_drv: then restart X |
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| 18:48.44 | Gorbulas | so like smb afp or sshfs without any single sign on or certificates? |
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| 18:49.55 | fglrx_drv | _vvd: I'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 18:49.57 | Gorbulas | it sounds like a nightmare to me… |
| 18:50.02 | monra | Hello i'm lookin for a program to copy whatever i do in my bash and what programs runs and so on. Any ideas? |
| 18:50.31 | Gorbulas | monra: look at ~/.bash_history |
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| 18:50.44 | wam | Gorbulas: do you suggest to learn kerberos then? |
| 18:50.45 | monra | Gorbulas: bash_history doesn't have programs output |
| 18:50.57 | Gorbulas | it can be defeated, so if you're doing it for security purposes you probably want something else |
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| 18:51.37 | wam | Gorbulas: well, I think kerberos will be "good ehough"(tm) |
| 18:51.43 | monra | Gorbulas: no. no i have a program that prints some stuff and then gets in infinite loop and so i cannot do ./program > file.txt and i need something else |
| 18:51.45 | Gorbulas | wam: or something. from my experience, users aren't good at multiple passwords |
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| 18:52.26 | benjamindees | why doesn't the gid mount option work with loopback filesytems? |
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| 18:52.51 | wam | Gorbulas: alright. I'll have a look. What always prevented me from learning it was the close integration of ldap, which i find a terrible thing. Not only for security reasons, but i find it's also overdefined. |
| 18:53.03 | Gorbulas | loopback is not a filesystem, but a way of mounting one |
| 18:53.13 | Zacaa | hi could someone please look at this for me, trying to get nvidia working with debian: (7:24:30 PM) i like pie: i went to a webcam site last night an saw a topless 15yr old girl ;o |
| 18:53.15 | Zacaa | erm |
| 18:53.21 | Zacaa | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=112754 |
| 18:53.31 | benjamindees | Gorbulas, thanks; I know that. |
| 18:53.33 | Zacaa | hahahaha |
| 18:53.33 | Zacaa | v.v |
| 18:53.38 | fglrx_drv | Zacaa: link plskthnx |
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| 18:54.25 | maligor | Zacaa, try adding nvidia in /etc/modules |
| 18:54.53 | Zacaa | I did that maligor, didn't work |
| 18:55.12 | catsup | you have to load the module too |
| 18:55.25 | Zacaa | I tried that |
| 18:55.27 | catsup | /etc/modules is just what's loaded when you boot |
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| 18:55.31 | catsup | do you have the nv device? |
| 18:55.31 | Zacaa | didn't make a difference when it booted |
| 18:55.41 | Zacaa | nope nvidia |
| 18:55.50 | catsup | is the module loaded? |
| 18:56.13 | Zacaa | yes |
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| 18:56.17 | Zacaa | it loads, definitely |
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| 18:56.25 | Zacaa | without glx i get a black screen at boot |
| 18:56.27 | fglrx_drv | _vvd: NICE! That worked, thanks a lot. |
| 18:56.36 | Zacaa | with glx i mean * |
| 18:56.45 | Zacaa | without glx, nvidia works perfectly fine |
| 18:56.52 | Zacaa | glx is my problem |
| 18:56.55 | catsup | oh |
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| 18:57.08 | Zacaa | if you look at my log, it ends on this line: (II) Initializing extension GLX |
| 18:57.16 | Zacaa | that means that something must be wrong with GLX |
| 18:57.22 | Zacaa | because when I turn it off nvidia works fine |
| 18:57.23 | catsup | you're using the 'nvidia' xorg driver right? not nv? |
| 18:57.30 | Zacaa | but then I only have 2d and not 3d |
| 18:57.31 | Zacaa | yes i am |
| 18:57.36 | Zacaa | im using nvidia without glx |
| 18:57.42 | abrotman | what does this have to do with pie? |
| 18:57.50 | catsup | you realize there are two drivers in xorg right? one is called nv and the other nvidia? |
| 18:57.59 | Zacaa | hahaha abrotman :P |
| 18:57.59 | abrotman | nvidia isn't *in* xorg |
| 18:58.03 | Zacaa | i pasted the wrong thing >.> |
| 18:58.25 | catsup | well here's a working nvidia xorg conf: childrenofmay.org/XF86Config-4.txt |
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| 18:58.37 | Gorbulas | it's worse when you aren't even trying to paste |
| 18:58.37 | catsup | probably you want to adjust your Modules section to match it |
| 18:58.58 | Gorbulas | I bumped alt insert or something once and pasted some garbage off the clip board |
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| 18:59.22 | gkiagia | Zacaa: reinstall the drivers |
| 18:59.23 | Zacaa | hey hey nvidia is definitely in my xorg.conf |
| 18:59.29 | Zacaa | im using it right now without glx |
| 18:59.32 | catsup | Zacaa: that's not what i said |
| 18:59.34 | Zacaa | i've reinstalled the drivers already |
| 18:59.39 | Zacaa | reinstalled the jan ones too |
| 18:59.48 | Zacaa | (8:57:48 PM) abrotman: nvidia isn't *in* xorg |
| 18:59.49 | catsup | Zacaa: i said adjust your Module section |
| 18:59.57 | abrotman | no it' snot |
| 19:00.01 | abrotman | it's not |
| 19:00.03 | catsup | he's just being silly |
| 19:00.08 | gkiagia | Zacaa: this usually happens (at least to me) if you upgrade mesa or xorg after installing nvidia drivers |
| 19:00.10 | abrotman | no .. i'm being correct |
| 19:00.16 | catsup | he means that nvidia is not part of the xorg distribution |
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| 19:00.22 | catsup | not that it's not part of your running Xorg system process |
| 19:00.22 | abrotman | you have to build the nvidia binary shit to make it work |
| 19:00.32 | Zacaa | oh right |
| 19:00.33 | Zacaa | well |
| 19:00.40 | catsup | not that you do not have, inside the memory location allocated for Xorg, a copy of the nvidia module |
| 19:00.52 | Zacaa | so my module section is wrong? |
| 19:00.56 | catsup | possibly |
| 19:01.00 | catsup | does it match that one? |
| 19:01.09 | Zacaa | should I try mimic this one then? http://childrenofmay.org/XF86Config-4.txt |
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| 19:01.15 | catsup | notice dri and GLCore are not loaded |
| 19:01.25 | abrotman | Zacaa: that's for XF86 .. not xorg |
| 19:01.38 | catsup | no |
| 19:01.41 | catsup | it works for Xorg |
| 19:01.51 | catsup | Xorg reads XF86Config-4 if Xorg.conf is not present |
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| 19:02.09 | abrotman | xorg.conf |
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| 19:02.18 | Zacaa | okay cool |
| 19:02.24 | catsup | abrotman: careful, you just made a mistake |
| 19:02.32 | abrotman | i put cows on mars? |
| 19:02.39 | catsup | 15:01 <abrotman> Zacaa: that's for XF86 .. not xorg |
| 19:02.43 | Zacaa | so I should try running it with those modules and those 2 dri and GLCore commented out? |
| 19:02.49 | abrotman | it is for XF86 .. it's quite possible that config may not work for xorg |
| 19:03.03 | catsup | it's a working xorg nvidia config |
| 19:03.27 | catsup | Zacaa: ya man, that's what i said |
| 19:03.45 | Zacaa | ok just making sure |
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| 19:03.48 | Zacaa | thanks catsup |
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| 19:03.55 | Zacaa | i wonder why my GLX doesn't load though? |
| 19:03.55 | _vvd | fglrx_drv: np :) |
| 19:04.17 | Zacaa | I mean, in that XF86Config-4 file that you gave me |
| 19:04.17 | catsup | i think it's because you're loading 'dri' |
| 19:04.22 | Zacaa | GLX is listed there |
| 19:04.31 | Zacaa | oh |
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| 19:04.33 | abrotman | dri and glx should be fine together |
| 19:04.40 | Zacaa | so without dri that should do the trick?? |
| 19:04.41 | vlt | Can anyone have a look at http://rafb.net/p/yzKCIX13.html please? This is my current setup. (I left out some MARKING rules.) Any idea why there are packets sent ou through ppp0 using the src IP of device "extern" (192.168.178.20)? |
| 19:04.44 | catsup | i don't think you can load dri with the nvidia module |
| 19:04.45 | abrotman | not sure about with the nvidia stuff .. but on intel it is |
| 19:04.48 | stevil | anyone know if there is a way to search in the backports repository from apt-cache ? |
| 19:04.53 | abrotman | vlt: did you ask #iptables yet? |
| 19:04.54 | stevil | i did not find a -t flag to apt-cache |
| 19:05.05 | abrotman | stevil: add the source.list line .. apt-cache search |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | stevil: apt-cache policy to see the different versions available |
| 19:05.28 | vlt | abrotman: Yes, they seem to know very little about the iproute2 stuff :( |
| 19:05.33 | stevil | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 19:05.42 | abrotman | vlt: i thought it was iptables ? |
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| 19:06.34 | vlt | abrotman: I'm using ipatbles to mark packets and for SNAT. And iproute2 for directing the marked packets to a specific routing table. |
| 19:06.50 | vlt | Looks like I need a smart Debian user to help me? |
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| 19:07.20 | vlt | Anyone? (Dust ... Anyone? No? Dust. Anyone? No? Dust ...) |
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| 19:07.39 | Deezire | Seems like you need pfsense instead. |
| 19:08.03 | catsup | seems like you need a tranquilizer |
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| 19:08.36 | jim | too much office coffee? |
| 19:09.07 | stevil | abrotman: either i'im doing it wrong, or there aren't many packages in the backports |
| 19:10.28 | jim | you could browse the backports site yourself |
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| 19:10.52 | jim | find out definitively and empiracally which is the case |
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| 19:11.20 | jim | maybe neither |
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| 19:13.00 | adema | Hello :p |
| 19:13.11 | adema | do you know if the qemu debian package is compiled with kqemu support ? |
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| 19:13.45 | jim | you can get the source and read the debian/rules and makefile and see |
| 19:13.56 | Gorbulas | or you can try to run it |
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| 19:14.23 | adema | i run it |
| 19:14.23 | ylooc_ | hello. i have one strange problem. when i create new partition with cfdisk or fdisk on /dev/sdb, for ex. /dev/sdb1 it correctly adds this device to /dev/ and create node for it 8,16. But after reboot /dev/sdb1 dissappears and there is again only /dev/sdb as it was before partition was created. when i use again cfdisk /dev/sdb it shows /dev/sdb1 normally but it is not listed in /dev/ folder. what chould be wrong that MAKDEV does not create it while boot? |
| 19:14.33 | abrotman | stevil: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ |
| 19:14.39 | adema | i installed kqemu kernel modules |
| 19:14.52 | dlynes | Hello. I'm trying to get an Intel 82566DM-2 Gigabit Ethernet Controller to work on Debian Etch, from a Seanix SQ35JO motherboard. However, the card is not detected (PCI ID: 10BD:0001)...I've heard that's fixed with kernel 2.6.22; is there a port of 2.6.22 to debian etch? |
| 19:15.10 | adema | but i don't know how to check if kqemu in enabled is qemu :/ |
| 19:15.24 | jim | by reading those two files |
| 19:15.42 | jim | (as noted above, you may have another choice too) |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | adema: qemu will tell you when it starts .. or see if /dev/kqemu exists |
| 19:16.00 | toor | dlynes: why you dont download the kernel-source and compile it by hand? :P |
| 19:16.14 | adema | i don't have a /dev/kqemu |
| 19:16.22 | adema | but per aps i need to restart |
| 19:16.27 | dlynes | toor: because I want the same settings for it as debian uses, and it's a production machine |
| 19:16.31 | stew | dlynes: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:16.33 | Gorbulas | the device appears if you install the kernel module |
| 19:16.34 | adema | (don't hit me xD) |
| 19:16.39 | benjamindees | there are kqemu packages for etch in non-free |
| 19:16.43 | dlynes | toor: so if I screw up on the options, i'll have a non-working system |
| 19:16.44 | jim | compile by hand... hope you have a LOT of paper... |
| 19:16.46 | stew | dlynes: oh, wait, if you have already installed, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:16.49 | vlt | ylooc_: Does `sfdisk -R <device>` help? |
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| 19:17.30 | ylooc_ | vlt, yes. now /dev/sdb1 file exists |
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| 19:17.49 | adema | Gorbulas, i installed the kernel modules |
| 19:18.00 | ylooc_ | vlt, but how to do it at boot time, that it can add this partition into raid 1 at boot time too |
| 19:18.00 | adema | but there is no kqemu device file |
| 19:18.07 | Gorbulas | oo does sfdisk -R refresh the partition table in the kernel? I once wrote a script that piped quit into fdisk for the same reason |
| 19:18.31 | vlt | Gorbulas: :) |
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| 19:19.27 | vlt | ylooc_: I have no idea _why_ it isn't recognized when booting ... but maybe you could add the sfdisk command to /etc/rc* ... |
| 19:19.30 | hmmhesays | what it he easiest way to reinstall a package in debian? |
| 19:19.42 | stew | hmmhesays: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 19:20.27 | hmmhesays | ahh thats handy |
| 19:20.38 | hmmhesays | my google skillz are lacking I didn't come up with that |
| 19:20.55 | ylooc_ | vlt, hm..actually i can but would like to add it before raid is initialized..if i do it after it will always reconstruct disk image before it will start to use it because it will think it was corrupted as it was not available at initialization |
| 19:20.55 | arussel | I am having this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgtk-x11-2.0 but I have libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in /usr/lib, where did I go wrong ? |
| 19:21.25 | pll | Where can I find decent documentation on APT:: and Dpkg:: config options? |
| 19:21.40 | Gorbulas | ylooc_: are you using an odd partition table format? |
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| 19:21.56 | abrotman | pll: /usr/share/doc/ i believe |
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| 19:22.27 | ylooc_ | Gorbulas, hm..dont know what actully is odd |
| 19:22.32 | pll | Oh, really? |
| 19:22.33 | Gorbulas | like a Mac format on a PC or a PC format on a Mac? |
| 19:22.54 | tiagoOM | anyone here knows how can i debianize a library using dh-make? |
| 19:23.04 | vlt | Gorbulas: ylooc_ created the partition table using cfdisk I tink ... |
| 19:23.08 | vlt | *think |
| 19:23.25 | ylooc_ | Gorbulas, i tried to create it using fdisk and cfdisk |
| 19:23.35 | dlynes | stew: thanks...that last one, the back ports is what I needed |
| 19:23.35 | ylooc_ | Gorbulas, so should i try to create it using sfdisk or...? |
| 19:23.55 | stew | tiagoOM: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html |
| 19:23.57 | vlt | ylooc_: Don't think so. |
| 19:24.07 | Gorbulas | I'm not sure how to check what format it is anymore |
| 19:24.29 | pll | abrotman: I must be missing something, there's nothing in /usr/share/doc/dpkg/ except for things like AUTHORS and THANKS. |
| 19:24.37 | pll | So, nothing useful :( |
| 19:24.43 | tiagoOM | stew: thanks |
| 19:25.03 | abrotman | pll: apt-doc package .. sorry |
| 19:25.03 | pll | wishes Linux distro's documented their OS like OpenBSD ... |
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| 19:25.06 | davis | hello |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | pll: apt-cache show apt-doc |
| 19:25.28 | stew | pll: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz for APT:: |
| 19:25.33 | pll | Ah, okay, I seem to be missing that one. thanks. |
| 19:25.37 | abrotman | pll: there's also the aptitude manual .. which is huge .. and /usr/share/doc/apt/ |
| 19:25.55 | arussel | how can I know where ld is looking ? |
| 19:25.58 | ylooc_ | so the this was what i did. i installed debian. when creating partitions while debian installation i created /dev/sdb1 as raid autodetect and /dev/sdb1 as raid autodetect. everything was ok till i by exident used /dev/sdb as raid device and not /dev/sdb1. so i deleted partition on /dev/sdb using cfdisk and created new one /dev/sdb1. till that i have these problems :) |
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| 19:26.49 | pll | abrotman: I'll probably have to read the aptitude manual. If it's huge, it's probably improved substantially since the last time I poked at it. |
| 19:26.54 | davis | anybody have any problems with init and 2.4 kernel? I have a 2.6 kernel and the os works fine. I use a 2.4 and I get no process left in this runlevel error after crond is started. |
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| 19:27.11 | abrotman | pll: that's more for how to use aptitude .. but it might have some of what you're looking for .. see what stew said about the apt conf example |
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| 19:27.33 | pll | Ah, missed that, thanks stew |
| 19:27.41 | Gorbulas | davis: it's possible your kernel doesn't support your glibc |
| 19:27.55 | davis | ahh. ok. |
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| 19:28.07 | davis | no way to put two glibc's on the box is there? |
| 19:28.12 | Gorbulas | Debian doesn't seem to ship a non nptl version |
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| 19:28.54 | Gorbulas | of course it could be something completely different causing trouble |
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| 19:29.08 | abrotman | davis: the 2.4 kernels and using them with etch isn't supported |
| 19:29.15 | hmmhesays | wtf my ld-linux is missing |
| 19:29.21 | hmmhesays | I need to figure out what package provided that |
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| 19:30.12 | stew | davis: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:30.30 | Gorbulas | does anyone use MusicBrainz Picard on Lenny? Nothing happens when I click "cluster" |
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| 19:31.30 | Zacaa | okay, I've tried mimicing the exact modules that are loaded just like in this config file: http://childrenofmay.org/XF86Config-4.txt and still nothing changed |
| 19:31.49 | Zacaa | I still got a blank/black screen when I started X |
| 19:32.08 | Zacaa | as soon as I disabled GLX, X starts with nvidia, but without GLX, of course |
| 19:32.15 | Zacaa | could anyone suggest anything? |
| 19:32.46 | hmmhesays | is there any easy way to figure out what package provides the file I need? |
| 19:33.04 | stew | hmmhesays: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:34.26 | Zacaa | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=112754 that is the issue that I am currently having please would someone have a look at it :) I'd really appreciate it |
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| 19:35.41 | adema | well i don't have a /dev/kqemu :s |
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| 19:40.37 | dmnd | when i copy php.ini-recommended to /etc/php5/apache/php.ini and restart apache i dont get any output from php; what could be the issue? |
| 19:40.48 | dmnd | debian etch |
| 19:40.55 | shingouz | if i get a pppd error 16 "modem hung up", is it because of *my* modem hung up or is it the modem i *called* that hung up? |
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| 19:41.53 | wam | Please recommend one (the nicer to begin with / better documented or so): Heimdal or MIT krb5? |
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| 19:45.12 | mot | can anybody explain to me how LVM works? |
| 19:45.18 | mot | i have a new workstation |
| 19:45.24 | mot | with 4x 500GB sata drives |
| 19:46.13 | mot | i ordered it from dell in a raid 5 config, but i just formatted all of them and i was to throw a debian install on them but i want to put it on a 50GB partition and use the rest of the 1.95TB of space as one big logical partition for data |
| 19:46.20 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 19:46.20 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 19:46.44 | S3v3N | When i try to install sendmail i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1008563 |
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| 19:47.21 | mot | damn |
| 19:47.27 | mfowle | any suggestions for a audio cd ripper / encoder application ? |
| 19:47.30 | stew | S3v3N: show us the output of "apt-cache policy sendmail-bin libc6" |
| 19:47.31 | mfowle | please and thank you |
| 19:47.37 | mot | is there an easier way besides LVM to do what i want to do? (make one large logical partition out of 4 physical drives) |
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| 19:48.03 | abrotman | mot: raid? |
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| 19:48.23 | S3v3N | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1008567 |
| 19:48.27 | Pio | mot, raid 0 |
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| 19:48.32 | mot | it originally came with a RAID5 setup |
| 19:48.38 | abrotman | don't use raid0 |
| 19:48.46 | mquin | mot: md can do it, but IME lvm is more flexible |
| 19:48.49 | mot | well, how do i set it up in debian? |
| 19:48.55 | mot | is the question |
| 19:49.09 | mot | i'm using the netboot cd |
| 19:49.37 | stew | S3v3N: i'd suggest using aptitude instead of apt-get (it is better at resolving dependencies). and I'd try installing sendmail-bin directly to see why it won't be installed |
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| 19:50.27 | mot | okay so |
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| 19:50.38 | mot | if i take one of those drives and take 50gb and partition it and install debian |
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| 19:50.45 | S3v3N | stew: apt-get sendmail-bin works. Lemme check now |
| 19:50.52 | mot | how would i take the other 450 gb plus the 3x 500gb drives and combine them into one large logical partition? |
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| 19:51.25 | S3v3N | stew: Is that correct command for sending mails echo test |mail test@test.com |
| 19:51.37 | S3v3N | stew: Is that correct command for sending mails "echo test |mail test@test.com" |
| 19:51.41 | stew | S3v3N: sure |
| 19:51.52 | S3v3N | stew: okay thank's i'll try ;> |
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| 19:52.01 | mquin | mot: (assuming you want to do this from the installer) create an partition on each drive of type lvm, then go into the 'configure logical volumes' bit. Create volume group and add all of the lvm partitions to it |
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| 19:52.13 | mquin | then you can create logical volumes with than volume group as needed |
| 19:52.19 | cr3_ | wow |
| 19:52.35 | stew | S3v3N: note that sendmail is not often recommended except for those that are already using sendmail. exim4 and postfix are recommended instead |
| 19:52.37 | mot | how big should the lvm partition be on each drive? |
| 19:52.40 | mot | can it be the whole drive? |
| 19:52.51 | mot | or can i have like a 50g ext3 partition to install debian on |
| 19:52.56 | stew | mot: it can be as large or a small as you want, including the whole drive |
| 19:53.04 | mot | then a 450gb lvm, then the other 3 drives as 500gb lvm |
| 19:53.14 | mot | and add the 450/500/500/500 to the lv group? |
| 19:53.20 | mquin | yep |
| 19:53.27 | mot | okay |
| 19:53.31 | mot | thanks |
| 19:53.41 | S3v3N | stew: what could be wrong if i don't recieve mail? doesn't apt-get sendmail-bin configure sendmail automatically that it works? |
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| 19:57.50 | S3v3N | stew: ? :s |
| 19:58.21 | stew | S3v3N: i don't know, i haven't used sendmail in 10 years or so. start by checking /var/log/mail.log |
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| 19:59.58 | S3v3N | Does someone here got a lot of knowledge at sendmail? |
| 20:00.05 | tarzeau | #sendmail |
| 20:00.12 | S3v3N | oh thanks |
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| 20:00.54 | Bushmills | S3v3N: i think exim or postfix may be better choices when you haven't set up an SMTP server yet |
| 20:01.11 | abrotman | does anyone really know a lot about sendmail ? :) |
| 20:01.28 | Bushmills | sendmail has by far the most complex configuration of these three |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | that guy in here last week with the web admin tool had a pretty butchered postfix config |
| 20:02.21 | joh | Hi, I'm having some trouble getting dpkg-buildpackage to compile for a different architecture (i386) than the one I'm currently on (x86-64). `file' on the binary reports that it's x86-64 although I passed -ai386 to dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 20:02.55 | Bushmills | abrotman: sounded like he was just missing the recipient in his virtual |
| 20:03.10 | Eulex | joh, for building for i386, get yourself an i386 chroot. |
| 20:03.18 | abrotman | Bushmills: no .. it was really bad .. someone had checked the box for TLS or something .. it was not in good shape |
| 20:03.36 | Bushmills | ah, ok. that must have been another one |
| 20:03.40 | Eulex | joh, it's easy with debootstrap. |
| 20:03.43 | stew | joh: why not just build in a chroot (perhaps using pbuilder or cowbuilder)? |
| 20:03.51 | joh | Eulex: Ok, thanks |
| 20:04.55 | Bushmills | i wonder how come that people can use webmin or the like while it is not even in debian |
| 20:05.26 | Bushmills | think it has been removed 3 or 4 years ago |
| 20:05.43 | chops | Bushmills: A lot of people who are new to Debian are accustomed to tracking down strange software from strange places and installing it; they don't think twice about it |
| 20:07.33 | mfowle | i dont think twice about adding new repositories |
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| 20:07.56 | chops | Anyone happen to know a good web app that summarizes the results of unit/load testing? |
| 20:08.30 | chops | I'm looking to plug results from my (probably-custom) testing scripts into an app that will display a little graph of performance metrics over time, and little green boxes for passed tests and red boxes for failed tests, and the like |
| 20:08.33 | chops | mfowle: You should |
| 20:08.55 | Mantaar | WTF?? Emacs doesn't support folding? What is this? This OS surely lacks an editor... |
| 20:09.04 | chops | Mantaar: Folding? |
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| 20:09.40 | Bushmills | Mantaar: have a look at fte, or better its fork efte (which is not in debian yet) |
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| 20:09.53 | Bushmills | efte = fte + scripting |
| 20:09.55 | Mantaar | chops: collapsing a block in, let's say C to only a line so you can concentrate on other stuff. |
| 20:10.07 | nick01 | is there a meta package for gcc and the rest by any chance ? |
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| 20:10.16 | markybob | nick01 build-essential |
| 20:10.20 | Bushmills | + no config compiler anymore |
| 20:10.24 | Mantaar | Bushmills: thanks. I'm currently editor-frustrated again... vim plays badly on me.. |
| 20:11.03 | Bushmills | Mantaar: efte scripts are about 300...400 times faster than emacs scripts |
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| 20:11.33 | Mantaar | Bushmills: Well, I don't need speed. I need functionality ;-) |
| 20:11.48 | Bushmills | can you stand RPN notation? |
| 20:11.49 | noisesmith | Bushmills: and let me guess: since there are less scripts available, you get to write it yourself |
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| 20:12.13 | nick01 | markybob: tks |
| 20:12.20 | Mantaar | Bushmills: I prefer dc over bc, if that answers your question |
| 20:12.24 | dondelelcaro | Mantaar: uh... emacs supports folding. It's called outline mode. |
| 20:12.39 | vjoe | is there a .swf player for Linux? |
| 20:12.39 | Mantaar | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 20:12.45 | Mantaar | vjoe: use mplayer |
| 20:13.01 | Mantaar | vjoe: at least for film. |
| 20:13.04 | Bushmills | noisesmith: you write what you want to extend with. other than that, scripts are used for efte too, even quite low level stuff. |
| 20:13.07 | noisesmith | vjoe what architecture? there is gnash, but that hardly ever works |
| 20:13.13 | stew | Mantaar: there are folding add-ons for c-mode as well. ask #emacs or consult emacswiki.org |
| 20:13.27 | vjoe | 32bits |
| 20:13.47 | noisesmith | Bushmills: my point was, I doubt it has as many extensions working -- ie, the scripts may be 400 times as fast, but there are 1/1000th as many available |
| 20:13.47 | vjoe | it's not a file embed in a site, it's on the disk |
| 20:13.51 | Bushmills | Mantaar: yes it does. well, efte script language is RPN notation |
| 20:13.52 | Mantaar | stew: thanks, I'll do that. I actually didn't count on people answering to my rant here. Seems you're a nicer lot than I thought... |
| 20:14.14 | Mantaar | Bushmills: like, a stack-based language? |
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| 20:14.47 | Bushmills | noisesmith: fewer scripts than emacs no doubt. but for some things, scripts not needed, because built -in already, like folding. |
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| 20:15.03 | Bushmills | where emacs seem to need scripts - which don't come with it? |
| 20:15.20 | Bushmills | 1000 times as many scripts are no good if they don't do what you need |
| 20:15.43 | noisesmith | Bushmills: on debian, they do come with it |
| 20:16.05 | Bushmills | noisesmith: ah. Mantaar might like to hear that |
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| 20:16.35 | Bushmills | so it may be more of a "so many scripts that one can't find the ones one needs" situation |
| 20:16.53 | Mantaar | well, I chose debian because it comes nicely packaged with all but the useless and obscure stuff... :-) |
| 20:17.12 | Mantaar | so I could type M-X viper right away ^^ |
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| 20:17.45 | newbie | HELP |
| 20:17.48 | newbie | can somebody help me?!?!? |
| 20:17.53 | newbie | i keep getting this weird error message |
| 20:17.55 | newbie | http://pasteplace.net/?q=2346523 |
| 20:17.59 | Bushmills | sorry, quite short in cash myself |
| 20:18.09 | newbie | dude, it's really weird |
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| 20:18.15 | newbie | did somebody put in swear words in debian or something? |
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| 20:18.31 | jelly-home | stew: thanks |
| 20:18.53 | noisesmith | dude: kick newbie, that website is evil |
| 20:19.20 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:19.37 | stoned | see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil, click no evil |
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| 20:19.58 | stoned | kernel panics are evil too, I shouldn't have upgraded sid |
| 20:20.00 | stoned | grr. |
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| 20:20.42 | rahul | you tool |
| 20:21.06 | stoned | no sid is kinda umm.. bitchy lately |
| 20:21.16 | rahul | it's sid |
| 20:21.36 | stoned | bah |
| 20:21.44 | stoned | it ain't nothin' I can't handle. |
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| 20:21.59 | rahul | that's what she said |
| 20:22.03 | stoned | dude |
| 20:22.06 | rahul | heh |
| 20:22.12 | stoned | if you say that one more time I'm gonna pop you |
| 20:22.15 | nick01 | what was that link newbie posted ? it started a zillion pop-ups here and I had to shut down |
| 20:22.23 | rahul | you'd have to come to manhattan first |
| 20:22.42 | stoned | it is time to browse the bts |
| 20:22.46 | noisesmith | nick01: I was able to fix it with a killall -9 firefox-bin; it was a gnaa site |
| 20:23.04 | noisesmith | nick01: iirc gnaa are old school anti-linux trolls from slashdot |
| 20:23.39 | nick01 | I see |
| 20:23.39 | nick01 | lol |
| 20:23.44 | noisesmith | nick01: it was trying to connect to irc too, I cam glad I don't have my firefox set up to access irc at all |
| 20:23.47 | stoned | popups? |
| 20:23.58 | stoned | keep that javascript off until you need the script that needs it |
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| 20:24.04 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 20:24.05 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:24.05 | stoned | er.. site that needs to runa script |
| 20:24.10 | noisesmith | yeah, and some kind of plugin that my machine cannot use (maybe flash?) |
| 20:24.15 | stoned | there is a very good firefox extension that does it |
| 20:24.26 | stoned | `noscript' I think, one of the top |
| 20:24.34 | stoned | for iceweasel of course |
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| 20:25.32 | Mantaar | bah. no Emacs for me... |
| 20:26.37 | noisesmith | Mantaar: why? |
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| 20:28.11 | Mantaar | noisesmith: many reasons. Most of all, I'd need at least a 200 lines long .emacs to replace my >200 lines .vimrc |
| 20:28.23 | Mantaar | don't have the time for it right now... |
| 20:28.41 | noisesmith | Mantaar: yeah, extensive customization can be a lock-in |
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| 20:28.55 | sandman_ | So Debian kernels don't, by default, have the BadRAM kernel patch |
| 20:29.06 | Hinata` | Hi there I'm on sid and I'im trying to reinstall gedit with aptitude and I got this message http://pastebin.org/34052 what should I do?? ^^' |
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| 20:29.14 | stew | i just did a major purge on my .emacs, and split some stuff out into files into .emacs.d and now i'm down to 549 lines in .emacs :) |
| 20:29.34 | abrotman | Hinata`: that's in french |
| 20:29.43 | Hinata` | :s |
| 20:29.59 | Hinata` | abrotman: aptitude want the uninstall everything :s |
| 20:30.04 | Mantaar | well, I'll go with Emacs for Haskell maybe. And then slowly build my .emacs... |
| 20:30.32 | Mantaar | But Emacs dosen't have eclim! Which I wanted to pack up for debian long ago... |
| 20:30.53 | noisesmith | Mantaar: do you know about M-x configure-group? |
| 20:31.09 | noisesmith | err I mean customize-group of courspe |
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| 20:32.05 | noisesmith | if what you want is in an existing script, but is a configuration option, customize-group is much easier than hand editing, and you can mix customize-group with hand edits |
| 20:32.16 | Mantaar | noisesmith: well, yeah. That integrated Emacs GUI for configuring it... |
| 20:32.34 | abrotman | hinaRANAWAY |
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| 20:33.20 | Mantaar | I'll definetly use it to disable this annoying cursor blinking... |
| 20:33.38 | Mantaar | Is there a 23 package for emacs in Debian? I want smooth fonts and unicode support :-( |
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| 20:33.44 | noisesmith | Mantaar: that is right in the Options menu if you turn menu-bar-mode on |
| 20:34.10 | jim | emacs comes in 23 packages?? |
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| 20:34.15 | jim | or on 23 cds? |
| 20:34.47 | Mantaar | jim: more like floppies. |
| 20:35.08 | stew | jim: no, he's talking about the not yet released version 23 of emacs |
| 20:35.09 | jim | seriously... check out backports.org |
| 20:35.19 | jim | not yet released? |
| 20:35.19 | noisesmith | Mantaar: emacs22-gtk will use gtk fonts |
| 20:35.23 | stew | jim: currect |
| 20:35.25 | Mantaar | jim: I'm on sid |
| 20:35.28 | kenjy | hi guys I have a dell dimension 9200 with debian, it had 2gb of ram and I added two dims of 1gb each one, the bios see the 4gb of ram but debian only see 3, how can I get the 4gb working? |
| 20:35.33 | stew | Mantaar: you want emacs-snapshot which is no longer in debian, hang on... |
| 20:35.50 | jim | can he build it up? |
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| 20:36.08 | Mantaar | kenjy: that's hard. You'll need a bigmem kernel first. |
| 20:36.14 | Hinata` | Ok than as I said, I'm trying to install/reinstall gedit and aptitude gives me that message http://pastebin.org/34056 (now it is in english ^^') what should I do?? ^^' |
| 20:36.20 | stew | Mantaar: http://emacs.orebokech.com/ |
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| 20:36.48 | Mantaar | stew: thanks! |
| 20:36.52 | kenjy | Mantaar: where can I get it? I have another server with 8gb of ram with debian, but I don't did that instalation |
| 20:36.57 | axolx_ | hey guys -- anyone know how to make TAR start a new file when the current reaches the 4GB limit, instead of dying? |
| 20:36.58 | Mantaar | Why has it been discontinued? |
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| 20:37.04 | Dyyos | hi |
| 20:37.08 | Dyyos | is it possible to start another WM on its own X session and display it on the first X session on a window??? |
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| 20:37.09 | karsten | Hinata`: Don't accept that solution, find one in which gedit _is_ updated. |
| 20:37.09 | stew | dpkg: emacs-snapshot is there is no longer a cvs snaphost package in debian unstable, the maintainer now maintains it in a separate repository, see http://emacs.orebokech.com/ |
| 20:37.09 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:37.16 | karsten | Dyyos: Yes. |
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| 20:37.26 | Dyyos | karsten how? |
| 20:37.29 | karsten | Dyyos: 'startx' takes both display and vc arguments. man startx. |
| 20:37.31 | Mantaar | kenjy: most likely this is a 64 bit server, while your machine is 32 bit. Or so. |
| 20:37.33 | stew | Mantaar: the maintainer is not happy about debian moving the emacs documentation to non-free |
| 20:37.57 | karsten | Dyyos: Alternatively, you can specify multiple displays in your X display manager configuration, though I don't know how easily you can specify alternate desktops. |
| 20:37.58 | kenjy | Mantaar: the server with 8gb of ram its 32bits, this dell dimension with 4gb its 32bits |
| 20:38.06 | chops | axolx_: What 4GB limit? I create tar files with hundreds of GBs. |
| 20:38.07 | good_dana | kenjy: do you have a 32bit or 64bit kernel? if 32bit, do you have pae extensions? |
| 20:38.11 | Mantaar | stew: lol. |
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| 20:38.24 | Hinata` | karsten: there aren't other solution |
| 20:38.28 | axolx_ | chops: i get a file too large error. it could be a filesystem limit? |
| 20:38.41 | Hinata` | karsten: http://pastebin.org/34057 |
| 20:38.42 | karsten | Hinata`: There almost undoubtedly are. |
| 20:38.48 | axolx_ | chops: do you know if you can tell tar to start a new archive after reaching a given size? |
| 20:38.53 | karsten | Hinata`: Um, sorry. |
| 20:38.55 | karsten | Hinata`: Not sure. |
| 20:39.00 | chops | axolx_: You can. man tar |
| 20:39.10 | Hinata` | ok than ^^' |
| 20:39.12 | karsten | got Hinata` and Dyyos confuzzed. |
| 20:39.17 | chops | axolx_: It's kind of a PITA (or was the last I used it, which was a while ago). What filesystem? |
| 20:39.17 | kenjy | good_dana: its a 32bits kernel in a 32bits PC, I don't have a package called pae installed and I don't see any one in apt |
| 20:39.34 | axolx_ | chops: FAT32 (it's a shared external hard drive) |
| 20:39.37 | karsten | Hinata`: You might be able to play games with pinning. If Debian doesn't want to install/upgrade a package, it's usually got good reasons for it. |
| 20:39.37 | Hinata` | =^.^= |
| 20:39.48 | chops | axolx_: Ah, well that's your problem then probably. |
| 20:39.55 | axolx_ | chops: do you have a pointer to the name of the option? man tar is biiig |
| 20:40.03 | good_dana | kenjy: PAE is a kernel extension |
| 20:40.11 | Hinata` | may be I should destroy all and reinstall ^^' |
| 20:40.12 | axolx_ | chops: yeah. stupid FAT :) |
| 20:40.26 | good_dana | kenjy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 20:40.45 | chops | axolx_: Ugh... --multi-volume is the option, it looks like. See also --tape-length. |
| 20:40.49 | karsten | kenjy: Not sure what the max filesize restrictions are for FAT. Might Google that while you're at it. |
| 20:40.55 | axolx_ | chops: thanks lots |
| 20:41.03 | karsten | kenjy: 4GB might be one though. |
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| 20:41.13 | kenjy | karsten: what what have to do FAT with my ram? |
| 20:41.18 | chops | axolx_: (The fact that it's biiig doesn't really mean that it's right for me to do the work of looking through it and then tell you the answer, instead of you looking for yourself :-/) |
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| 20:41.46 | karsten | kenjy: NM. |
| 20:41.48 | axolx_ | chops: didnt mean for you to look through. i was asking if you remembered the option name . that's all |
| 20:41.49 | kenjy | good_dana: so there is not a kernel with bigmem suport in the debian repos? |
| 20:42.04 | chops | axolx_: No, I didn't happen to remember the option name :-) |
| 20:42.18 | good_dana | kenjy: i'm not sure, you'll have to do some investigation |
| 20:42.20 | axolx_ | chops: k well help for looking it up . and thanks for the help in general |
| 20:42.27 | chops | axolx_: np |
| 20:42.42 | kenjy | good_dana: debian should have bigmem support |
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| 20:42.56 | karsten | axolx_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table FYI |
| 20:43.00 | Dyyos | karsten type startx insde fluxbox?? |
| 20:43.01 | kenjy | some one else know how to use 4gb of ram in debian? |
| 20:43.04 | karsten | kenjy: In general it does IIRC. |
| 20:43.16 | karsten | Dyyos: Xwrapper usually means you've got to run startx from console. |
| 20:43.19 | chops | kenjy: apt-cache search bigmem |
| 20:43.43 | karsten | Dyyos: You can configure to allow any user to run startx but it's a security risk, if you ever have remote users on your box, they can hose the console session. |
| 20:44.43 | kenjy | tnks chops: that was helpfull :P |
| 20:44.43 | noisesmith | karsten: is there a way to have a whitelist for startx? |
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| 20:45.00 | karsten | noisesmith: sudo wrapper, maybe. |
| 20:45.02 | kenjy | guys good_dana, karsten if yo don't know don't try to help |
| 20:45.12 | chops | kenjy: np |
| 20:45.39 | Guerin | !aolify kenjy |
| 20:45.39 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in kenjy's ear |
| 20:45.40 | karsten | kenjy: You're welcome. |
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| 20:45.51 | jcranmer | whee, wireless magically started working |
| 20:45.57 | karsten | Guerin: Tactful as ever ;-) |
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| 20:46.46 | jcranmer | in other questions, how do I change my screen resolution? I know it can support higher than 1024x768 but xrandr claims the maximum is 1024x768 |
| 20:47.09 | stew | jcranmer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:47.25 | karsten | kenjy: FYI, 3/1 user/kernel memory split is what you want to look at. |
| 20:47.43 | Hinata` | karsten: have you an idea? http://pastebin.org/34061 |
| 20:47.59 | karsten | kenjy: PAE is what you want, though you'll have to RTFM for specifics on it. |
| 20:48.02 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: if you're using the 686 kernels, they already support 4G. If you need more, then you need the bigmem kernels. If you want to use more than 1G in a single slice, you'll have to use a 64bit architecture. |
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| 20:48.17 | karsten | kenjy: And FYI, I manage servers with up to 128 GB RAM, though generall amd64 arch. |
| 20:48.46 | kenjy | karsten: shhhh first go and study then back |
| 20:48.47 | dondelelcaro | (bigmem works up to 64G, iirc, but not terribly efficiently) |
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| 20:48.55 | karsten | kenjy: What dondelelcaro said. Even w/ PAE what you get is a total addressable memory that's > 4GB, but per-process limits below that. |
| 20:49.03 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: look, if you want to be insulting, you can ask elsewhere. |
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| 20:49.17 | ning | question |
| 20:49.30 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I'm a big boy, can take it. |
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| 20:49.35 | ning | i setup a lvm environment with 3x 500GB + 1x 450GB partitions into a local 1.95TB volume |
| 20:49.51 | dondelelcaro | karsten: heh; you shouldn't *have* to, though. |
| 20:49.54 | karsten | kenjy: Sometimes pointing you at the appropriate reference _is_ the help you need. I'll fax you your dollar back, that' smy usual degree. |
| 20:49.58 | ning | however when i do fdisk -l it says the disk /dev/dm-0 (the 1.95TB logical volume) doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 20:50.05 | ning | how do i mount my 1.95tb logical disk? |
| 20:50.23 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Agreed, and appreciate it ;-) |
| 20:50.38 | dondelelcaro | ning: you make a filesystem on the logical volume, and mount it |
| 20:50.43 | Bushmills | Dyyos: there is also Xnest which allows you to run a new X in a window |
| 20:50.51 | ning | ahh can i do that in gparted? |
| 20:50.54 | Mantaar | ning: wild guess: you make a partition table with fdisk, then format... |
| 20:51.01 | karsten | Bushmills: FYI, XNest is *horribly* antiquated. |
| 20:51.11 | dondelelcaro | ning: no, just mkfs.ext3 /dev/logicalvolume; (or whatever) and mount it. |
| 20:51.18 | Mantaar | ning: you can. But mkfs.ext3 is easier :-) |
| 20:51.28 | karsten | Bushmills: It's got a really primitive X server, misses a hell of a lot of extensions. There's a more modern replacement, name escapes me at the moment. |
| 20:51.34 | karsten | Bushmills: Xephyr, I think. |
| 20:51.45 | Bushmills | karsten: yes, but it addresses his needs, to run a new window manager in a window |
| 20:51.51 | karsten | Dyyos: I'd look at Xephyr or VNC or NX myself. |
| 20:52.03 | Mantaar | has to use nested X for displaying Java apps... |
| 20:52.04 | karsten | Bushmills: *barely*. I've tried it ;-) |
| 20:52.12 | ning | okay so i do mkfs.ext /dev/logicalvolume ? |
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| 20:52.22 | Dyyos | Bushmills which one is better? |
| 20:52.29 | karsten | Bushmills: ... wait, no, I'm thinking of xmove. xmove => xephyr. Xnest is only somewhat painful. |
| 20:52.31 | Mantaar | ning: iff it has a partition table already |
| 20:52.39 | karsten | Dyyos: For quick and dirty testing, Xnest should be fine, my bad. |
| 20:52.41 | ning | Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 20:52.45 | ning | that's what fdisk -l tells me |
| 20:52.52 | Mantaar | ning: well, then make one up. |
| 20:52.55 | ning | this if my lvm logical volume |
| 20:52.58 | ning | yea, but how? |
| 20:53.01 | Bushmills | Dyyos: i'd start a new session on another VC und swtich between the two |
| 20:53.02 | karsten | ning: Then put a valid partition table there. or just create a filesystem and mount it raw. |
| 20:53.18 | karsten | ning: 'fdisk /dev/dm-0', 'n' to create a new partition, follow the prompts. |
| 20:53.25 | Mantaar | fdisk /dev/logdrive, then pres n <enter>. p <enter> 1 <enter>. |
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| 20:53.44 | S3v3N | Hello all. What's the command that my eth0 will ask for new mac address so i'll get new ip then? Cauz everytime i want new ip i need to put UTP cable in another network card lol... I'm using debian of course ;) |
| 20:53.48 | Mantaar | just follow the instructions. fdisk is primitive and easy to use. |
| 20:53.48 | karsten | Dyyos: At console: startx :1 -- <windowmanager> |
| 20:53.56 | Dyyos | Bushmills alt+Fn?? |
| 20:54.04 | karsten | Dyyos: erm: startx <windowmanager> -- :1 |
| 20:54.09 | Bushmills | startx ... -- :1 |
| 20:54.13 | karsten | Dyyos: client options -- server options |
| 20:54.15 | ning | what's the diff. between primary/extended for partitions? |
| 20:54.16 | Bushmills | where ... is path and command |
| 20:54.21 | karsten | Bushmills: Yeah, I just RTFMd. |
| 20:54.26 | karsten | ning: 4 or more. |
| 20:54.41 | karsten | ning: You get four primary partitions, up to 16 (IIRC) extended. |
| 20:55.05 | Bushmills | Dyyos: ctrl-alt-F8 for the :1 serverr |
| 20:55.08 | Mantaar | ning: primary is an actual partition, of which you can have four. extended is a logical partition which allows you to make more than four partitions in it. |
| 20:55.12 | karsten | ning: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 20:55.12 | ning | it wants a # 1-4 |
| 20:55.18 | ning | i already have a 50gb boot partition (ext3) for my OS |
| 20:55.28 | ning | then the other 1.95tb logical volume |
| 20:55.32 | Mantaar | ning: for starters, I'd go with primary and use the first partiton. |
| 20:55.32 | ning | so would i give it #2? |
| 20:55.42 | Mantaar | ning: no. partitions are device-local. |
| 20:55.45 | ning | ahh |
| 20:56.01 | Mantaar | ning: that's an incredible amount of pr0n store you have... |
| 20:56.04 | karsten | ning: You can create an extended partition as one of your first four partitions. You can put additional partitions into this. I usually do /boot / swap and <extended> as 1-4, and put additional (extended) partitions on from there. |
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| 20:56.20 | Bushmills | 50 *gig* boot? |
| 20:56.27 | Bushmills | mine is 50 meg :) |
| 20:56.29 | karsten | ning: The specific ordering doesn't strictly matter, but it's a lot less confusing to have your first four partitions in logical/physical order. |
| 20:56.31 | Deezire | Heh, i lol'd. |
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| 20:56.59 | Dyyos | Bushmills: karsten thanks a lot! I see there's no shortage in options |
| 20:57.17 | karsten | Bushmills: I've just upgraded to 250 MB boot. |
| 20:57.30 | Talemon | hi, i installed debian on my tablet pc, it was working until i changed login screen theme. now i think it cannot start xwindow can you help me? |
| 20:57.36 | jcranmer | stew: still not working |
| 20:57.43 | karsten | Bushmills: Still the #2 Google hit for "linux partitioning faq": http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 20:57.48 | Bushmills | karsten: waiting to do that until my first drive get replaced. |
| 20:58.04 | Bushmills | can't just add .. mini barebone. full. |
| 20:58.11 | karsten | screen |
| 20:58.12 | stew | jcranmer: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:58.29 | karsten | Feh. Logging in to the same host twice ... |
| 20:58.37 | karsten | Bushmills: Heh. 1TB storage on the new box. |
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| 20:59.19 | Bushmills | 600 mb in 2 drives here, but the box itself is about 8 years old now, could do with an upgrade |
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| 20:59.23 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 20:59.25 | Bushmills | 600 gig ... |
| 20:59.39 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 20:59.42 | acehigh | sup everyone |
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| 20:59.51 | ning | thanks gents |
| 21:00.04 | Bushmills | especially, machine could be more silent,. |
| 21:00.39 | Mantaar | Bushmills: I prefer silence over performance these days... |
| 21:00.57 | Talemon | i changed the login screen theme and now when i boot it just flickers back and forth between console and xwindow. can anyone help? |
| 21:01.04 | phorce1 | only needs a CPU and RAM for the new box. 8 SATA II ports. Have a 250 SATA and a 750 PATA going in to start plus maybe 4 147G SCA in an external case |
| 21:01.10 | Bushmills | had a shuttle barebone before which was nicely silent. this is a soltek, and very noisy. |
| 21:01.46 | Deezire | Can you buy 750GB PATA-disks? |
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| 21:03.01 | jcranmer | stew: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/423104 and http://pastebin.mozilla.org/423105 |
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| 21:04.22 | icedtea | !vmware |
| 21:04.22 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 21:05.48 | Talemon | !gdm |
| 21:05.48 | dpkg | somebody said gdm was the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 21:06.53 | icedtea | are there any other virtual servers/clients that will run on top of linux besides vmware-server that will let you boot a os from another partition on your hard disk? |
| 21:07.06 | stew | jcranmer: so the problem is that you are stuck using the VESA driver, you could try to force it to try the vga driver, or you can use the non-free fglrx driver from ati |
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| 21:07.50 | jcranmer | stew: how? |
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| 21:08.44 | stew | jcranmer: you can specify "driver" in the Device section (man xorg.conf) if you want to try vga. |
| 21:10.04 | phorce1 | Deezire: Yeah -- seagate. Got it on sale for USD $140 |
| 21:10.16 | Bushmills | do western digital hard disks still have a good name nowadays? |
| 21:10.41 | jcranmer | like `Driver "vga" ' ? |
| 21:10.47 | stew | jcranmer: yes |
| 21:11.08 | phorce1 | Bushmills: Almost everything I have installed is Seagate Barracuda line but WD ppears to be "better" again |
| 21:11.27 | torrr | can anyone comment about 'too many open files'? |
| 21:11.27 | phyburn | how can I run a command in the "background" so if my shell looses connection the command will still be running |
| 21:11.33 | phyburn | I'm trying to run a server |
| 21:11.43 | Deezire | phorce1: Still, you really want to be stuck with 20 year old interface? :p |
| 21:11.48 | azeem | phyburn: use start-stop-server, e.g. |
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| 21:12.01 | azeem | phyburn: servers should be written to background themselves |
| 21:12.14 | Bushmills | phorce1: i still try to avoid seagate. but that's a leftover from their quality dip they had in the 40..120 megabyte disks phase |
| 21:12.22 | phyburn | this one isn't, just a java app |
| 21:12.26 | _vvd | phyburn: nohup |
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| 21:12.45 | phorce1 | Deezire: It works for it's purpose. Media storage. Everything else in the box will be SATA or SCSI <--- speaking of old interface |
| 21:12.48 | Bushmills | still associating seagate with "noisy", "running hot" and "failing frequently" |
| 21:12.56 | Deezire | phorce1: Real men run SAS! ;) |
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| 21:13.22 | acehigh | anyone istalled etqw on debian before? I got a video problem as it will not run in 1280x1024 mode and its the only mode I can run it in |
| 21:13.36 | karsten | Deezire: Which SAS is that? |
| 21:13.37 | phorce1 | Bushmills: Some of their non-Barracuda line suffered after they bought Maxtor too |
| 21:13.39 | atomiku | Wow.. total mindblank.. What are "things" like XFCE/KDE/gnome called? |
| 21:13.44 | karsten | votes for shoes. |
| 21:13.49 | karsten | ... with his feet. |
| 21:13.51 | atomiku | I'd call em GUIs but Im sure thats not what they're usually called |
| 21:13.56 | atomiku | Or are they? |
| 21:14.07 | phorce1 | Deezire: SAS --- are you going to $ub$idize my purchases? |
| 21:14.09 | karsten | atomiku: windowmanagers / desktop environments |
| 21:14.14 | atomiku | Thankyou very much :) |
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| 21:14.26 | Deezire | phorce1: Hehe :p |
| 21:14.27 | Bushmills | i just notice that western digital has a quite low price/capacity ratio. |
| 21:14.27 | atomiku | googles "linux desktop environments" |
| 21:14.32 | karsten | atomiku: KDE / GNOME / XFCE4 == desktop environment |
| 21:14.38 | atomiku | I'm hoping to get a nice list of them, so I can see which one I want to try today |
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| 21:14.46 | Bushmills | about on par with samsung |
| 21:14.46 | atomiku | XFCE4 is pretty nice... |
| 21:15.23 | jcranmer | what's the kernel option? runacpi=off? |
| 21:15.29 | karsten | atomiku: arguably also windowmaker / GNUstep and enlightenment as well. |
| 21:15.30 | Bushmills | atomiku: yes, if one could change desktop double click to single click |
| 21:15.45 | karsten | jcranmer: noacpi / acpi=off IIRC. |
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| 21:15.53 | karsten | jcranmer: different strokes for different kernels. |
| 21:16.08 | karsten | !tell atomiku about window managers for x |
| 21:16.09 | phorce1 | I think I've talked myself into buying the engineering sample Core2 Quad for the box too. About the same price as a new Core2 Duo |
| 21:16.24 | atomiku | Thanks for the help |
| 21:16.41 | atomiku | Hopefully I will pick a nice one :) |
| 21:16.52 | atomiku | Well, they're all nice.. *Hopefully I'll pick one which suits me |
| 21:16.56 | karsten | atomiku: See that link. GNOME, KDE, XFCE4, Enlightenment, Windowmaker, Fluxbox, blackbox, fvwm2, are among the more popular ones, with KDE/GNOME taking up the lions share. |
| 21:16.59 | keith4 | is splashy pretty much the same thing as usplash? |
| 21:17.09 | atomiku | Yeah, I never really liked GNOME/KDE... |
| 21:17.12 | atomiku | Too bulky.. |
| 21:17.30 | acehigh | atomiku, fluxbox |
| 21:17.39 | acehigh | simple but yet powerful |
| 21:17.47 | atomiku | thanks |
| 21:18.04 | acehigh | very configurable too |
| 21:18.11 | phorce1 | I got used to seeing Debian zoom in ultra spped on my quad-core 480 MHz Sun E450 before it died from me "playing with it" (adding modern hardware like SATA drives) too much. |
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| 21:18.18 | karsten | atomiku: WindowMaker is the One True Desktop ;-) |
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| 21:18.24 | karsten | !start a wm war |
| 21:18.24 | dpkg | CDE bites! |
| 21:18.31 | karsten | can't disagree. |
| 21:18.44 | Deezire | How can i deny access to root from phpmyadmin? |
| 21:19.03 | acehigh | Deezire, remove root as a access in sql |
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| 21:19.19 | acehigh | but be careful doing that |
| 21:19.34 | Deezire | Exactly, i know there is a smoother way to do it. |
| 21:19.38 | acehigh | make sure you have a full control user setup prior to removing that |
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| 21:19.54 | keith4 | doesn't phpmyadmin disallow root logins by default? |
| 21:19.58 | keith4 | or am I thinking of phppgadmin? |
| 21:20.05 | acehigh | phpadmin does |
| 21:20.15 | acehigh | phppgadmin |
| 21:20.18 | acehigh | duh |
| 21:20.33 | Deezire | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.34 | Deezire | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.35 | acehigh | phpmyadmin will allow if root was the master who was setup first |
| 21:20.45 | Deezire | keith4: Nupe, but i found it. |
| 21:21.16 | acehigh | Deezire, make sure to edit both cfg's |
| 21:21.46 | Deezire | config.inc.php |
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| 21:22.37 | acehigh | Deezire, there's one more in a sub directory |
| 21:22.42 | acehigh | under that one |
| 21:23.00 | torrr | how can I see how many open files a process have? |
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| 21:23.36 | Deezire | acehigh: But it worked with just editing that one |
| 21:23.40 | acehigh | i know this aint debian related but anyone know how to get etqw to run in different video modes besides the one that runs defaulted due to xorg.conf |
| 21:23.54 | acehigh | Deezire, just making sure I had to edit two files on mine |
| 21:24.16 | acehigh | my problem is that if I run etqw it defaults to 1280x1024 and I get a display on my monitor stating that its out of sync |
| 21:24.39 | noisesmith | torrr: man lsof |
| 21:25.14 | torrr | ok |
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| 21:25.45 | beardy | acehigh: Configure your X to use the resolution you want, switch to it before starting that. |
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| 21:26.16 | torrr | noisesmith, is there something in /proc too? (I remember something vagely) |
| 21:26.40 | noisesmith | torrr: I think you want lsof -p <pid> |
| 21:26.41 | noisesmith | torrr: if you mean by "process" that you want the open files of one known process |
| 21:26.47 | acehigh | beardy, wont work it defaults to the highest rez configured on xorg.conf |
| 21:27.27 | acehigh | torrr, top should show ya processed |
| 21:27.33 | noisesmith | torrr: sounds right, but I could not tell you much more without looking in proc to remind myself |
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| 21:28.04 | torrr | ok :) |
| 21:28.25 | acehigh | bbiab |
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| 21:28.48 | sycle | whats the package name to install curl? |
| 21:29.21 | noisesmith | torrr: the /proc/<pid> directory does not show you file names (or at least not in a straightforward way), but I am sure lsof is just using the same info proc is |
| 21:29.55 | themill | !tell sycle about search |
| 21:30.30 | sycle | thanks |
| 21:30.34 | jcranmer | whee, both my problems are now fixed! |
| 21:30.46 | torrr | my process have 1000 files opened |
| 21:30.54 | jcranmer | stew: btw, I needed device ati, vga was broken |
| 21:30.57 | torrr | most of them look like this java 26231 root 33r REG 8,49 861 20119569 /tmp/tmp41555.james (deleted) |
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| 21:31.44 | torrr | and I get a 'too many open files' error |
| 21:31.49 | sycle | themill, which one do i need? |
| 21:32.21 | torrr | and I wonder first what does this "(deleted)" means |
| 21:32.39 | torrr | and second where are the open files limit set to 1000 |
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| 21:32.50 | xingu | java code that leaks file descriptors, now there's a first |
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| 21:33.09 | torrr | xingu, what should I do? |
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| 21:33.28 | torrr | xingu, I understand you have seen this before |
| 21:33.49 | xingu | torrr: file a bug with the vendor of the code concerned |
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| 21:34.01 | torrr | xingu, I am the vendor |
| 21:34.05 | torrr | xingu, :D |
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| 21:34.15 | xingu | torrr: then close your file descriptors after unlink |
| 21:34.43 | torrr | xingu, I used the temp file mechanism in java, IIRC |
| 21:36.26 | xingu | torrr: the code's buggy, whatever it is; fix it |
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| 21:39.52 | \amethyst | torrr: you can set the (per-process) FD limit in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:40.46 | \amethyst | torrr: though if you closed your temp files when you're done with them you probably wouldn't have as many open fds (unless you really are using > 1000 temp files at the same time) |
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| 21:41.52 | mranostay_work | hello |
| 21:42.00 | mranostay_work | how can i force dpkg to overwrite a file? |
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| 21:42.33 | themill | mranostay_work: I can almost guarantee that you don't want to do that. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:42.53 | \amethyst | mranostay_work: presumably you have two packages with conflicting files... which packages and which files? |
| 21:43.06 | mranostay_work | i know what i'm doing, they are alien converted packages |
| 21:43.07 | markybob | mranostay_work dpkg --force-help |
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| 21:43.13 | mranostay_work | ok thanks |
| 21:43.23 | \amethyst | mranostay_work: then you probably want to use diversions, not --force-overwrite |
| 21:43.40 | themill | mranostay_work: using diversions is a much better option that overwriting. |
| 21:43.45 | mranostay_work | ok |
| 21:44.00 | themill | mranostay_work: Try to work *with* the package management system rather than against it and your life will be much easier. |
| 21:44.24 | Talemon | my gdm is not working, how can i re-install it? |
| 21:44.31 | \amethyst | mranostay_work: the problem with overwriting is when you later go and update one of the packages but not the other; or when you uninstall one of them. diversions handle that properly |
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| 21:45.04 | \amethyst | mranostay_work: man dpkg-divert, and also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html |
| 21:45.28 | \amethyst | mranostay_work: you'll be putting calls to dpkg-divert in the preinst and the postrm |
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| 21:46.08 | \amethyst | torrr: how are you getting your temp files? File.createTempFile(...) ? |
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| 21:46.22 | markybob | looks forward to ext4 online defrag |
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| 21:46.48 | \amethyst | torrr: then what? |
| 21:47.08 | morghanphoenix | 'Ello, how would I go about getting wine 9.6.0 on testing, they don't have any newer packages in the wine repo either, all the new stuff in deb is for ubuntu. |
| 21:47.09 | \amethyst | torrr: how are you opening the file? |
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| 21:48.34 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 21:48.35 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.53 | RazaMetaL | i've question... my gnome desktop is very slow ... |
| 21:48.58 | webPragmatist | format c: |
| 21:49.07 | webPragmatist | kill -9 !! |
| 21:49.09 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.10 | RazaMetaL | but my load average is 0.52, 0.40, 0.37 |
| 21:49.25 | kriston | Does anyone know why when I use my left-alt key in xterm in 4.0r3 it capitalizes words? I just want it to be meta like it is in gnome-terminal. |
| 21:49.27 | \amethyst | torrr: That doesn't open a file though |
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| 21:49.50 | \amethyst | torrr: do you open a FileInputStream or FileOutputStream on that File ? |
| 21:50.10 | themill | morghanphoenix: you mean wine 0.9.60? You'll actually find 0.9.61 is in unstable at present. |
| 21:50.25 | LV-426 | should /var/run be user writable , ie. allow normal users to create pid files ? |
| 21:50.41 | \amethyst | LV-426: no |
| 21:51.02 | \amethyst | LV-426: users shouldn't be putting their pidfiles there |
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| 21:51.20 | \amethyst | LV-426: directory writability (at least without the sticky bit) means you can delete any file in the directory |
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| 21:51.34 | dondelelcaro | users generally shouldn't be running daemons that write pidfiles |
| 21:52.10 | morghanphoenix | so, the backports thing again like I used for nvidia-glx? |
| 21:52.21 | \amethyst | I don't know about that... but they should put the pidfiles under their own directory if they do |
| 21:52.53 | sandman | Why does linux-source-2.6.18 suggest libqt3-mt-dev? |
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| 21:53.02 | sandman | Is there some new interface for kernel config which I'm unfamiliar? |
| 21:53.05 | \amethyst | sandman: for make xconfig probably |
| 21:53.06 | themill | sandman: for make xconfig. |
| 21:53.18 | LV-426 | right - this gnunet example case is a bit confusing since it allows running the daemon as a regular user but still attempts to write to it's own pid file |
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| 21:55.13 | \amethyst | LV-426: being started from init.d, or manually by the user? |
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| 21:55.43 | dondelelcaro | LV-426: in the case where a daemon runs as a different user, it should have a directory in /var/run which is owned by that user. |
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| 21:55.45 | themill | dondelelcaro: thanks for your tip about FiXme (on debian-science). Will start playing with it on a grant application tomorrow :) |
| 21:55.54 | dondelelcaro | themill: ah, yeah, it's great. |
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| 21:56.15 | mns | Anyone using tsclient as a front end to VNC and RDP ? |
| 21:56.16 | themill | dondelelcaro: if only I could find a package that would actually do the writing for me... |
| 21:56.30 | dondelelcaro | themill: \listoffixmes and \newcommand{\RZ}[1]{\textcolor{blue}{\fixme{#1 -- RZ}}}; is another useful one |
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| 21:56.42 | rswarbrick | dondelelcaro: Ooh that looks exciting. Thanks! |
| 21:56.54 | dondelelcaro | themill: so I just tell my collaborators (RZ in this case) to write \RZ{blah blah this sucks, delete it all} |
| 21:57.35 | dondelelcaro | and you get (in blue) blah blah -- RZ (and mine is \DLA{blah blah} (orange) blah blah --DLA) |
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| 21:57.43 | Bushmills | mns, http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=tsclient |
| 21:57.54 | LV-426 | \amethyst, manual invocation. dondelelcaro - I see, thanks |
| 21:57.59 | themill | dondelelcaro: nice... I'll file that one away too :) |
| 21:58.44 | mns | Bushmills:apparently a lot of people are using it :) |
| 21:58.44 | \amethyst | LV-426: then you can use what dondelelcaro suggests |
| 21:58.45 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.54 | dondelelcaro | themill: you know about natbib and acronym too, right? |
| 21:58.55 | \amethyst | torrr: do you ever close that SFIS ? |
| 21:59.04 | Bushmills | mns, yes. hope that answered your question. |
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| 21:59.12 | themill | dondelelcaro: natbib I use, not acronym though |
| 21:59.21 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.30 | dondelelcaro | themill: and if you use pubmed alot, I have a set of scritps that rip from a pmid to a bibtex reference |
| 21:59.37 | \amethyst | torrr: it sounds like it's not happening |
| 21:59.52 | mns | Does anyone know how to get tsclient to organise the "Quick connects" pull down menu alphabetically ? |
| 22:00.00 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.27 | dondelelcaro | themill: acronym is useful; you go \acro{TLA}{Three Letter Acronym} and then you can just \ac{TLA}, and the first time it sees \ac{TLA} it goes Three Letter Acronym (TLA), and every subsequent time, TLA. |
| 22:00.33 | \amethyst | torrr: deleting a file doesn't close it |
| 22:00.49 | dondelelcaro | (coupled with links to the list of acronyms if you put the list of acronyms in place) |
| 22:00.52 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.08 | themill | dondelelcaro: acro sounds useful too... I recognise the problem. I tend not to use pubmed much, but have a couple of websites I've found that can pubmed->bib when I need to. |
| 22:01.16 | \amethyst | torrr: what object is the finalize method on? |
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| 22:01.28 | rajkosto | hello |
| 22:01.30 | dondelelcaro | themill: ah; yeah, I use it almost exclusively. I think I have 5 references out of about 400 right now which are not in pubmed. ;-) |
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| 22:01.35 | rajkosto | i am trying to install 64bit debian in vmware |
| 22:01.39 | rajkosto | it hangs at decompressing linux... |
| 22:01.43 | \amethyst | torrr: overloaded how? |
| 22:01.58 | themill | dondelelcaro: I've been giving mhchem a good workout recently. |
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| 22:02.01 | SyL | how do you configure the eth devices in debian? |
| 22:02.13 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.16 | dondelelcaro | SyL: with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:02.18 | vlt | SyL: ifconfig |
| 22:02.21 | dondelelcaro | SyL: man 5 interfaces for details |
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| 22:02.32 | mns | SyL: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:02.44 | SyL | heh... nothing nice and automatic? |
| 22:02.57 | mns | SyL: there is NetworkManager in GNOME |
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| 22:03.03 | \amethyst | torrr: and your finalize method is in that class (the one that contains the SFIS and File)? |
| 22:03.25 | poseidon | How can I set up dual screens in debian? |
| 22:03.25 | mns | But I don't use it so I can't speak for it. |
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| 22:03.26 | SyL | mns: thanks... |
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| 22:03.42 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.07 | \amethyst | torrr: quiz: what does File represent in Java? |
| 22:04.10 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.15 | \amethyst | torrr: might be good |
| 22:04.42 | Snadder | Do any of the openoffice program manage to open power point presentations? |
| 22:04.59 | \amethyst | Snadder: ooimpress |
| 22:05.02 | themill | Snadder: yes. Impress normally does a good job on them. |
| 22:05.08 | unsolo | seems i have forgotten how to get https running on apache2 |
| 22:05.13 | unsolo | on lenny |
| 22:05.43 | Snadder | Cant find ooimpress in lenny |
| 22:06.01 | \amethyst | Snadder: the package is openoffice.org-impress |
| 22:06.02 | lagbolt | openoffice.org-impress - OpenOffice.org office suite - presentation |
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| 22:06.18 | alberto | hi, has anybody suffered plone breakage after tonight's linguaplone update? |
| 22:06.21 | Snadder | But.. in reality I was looking for something for windows.. for a friend.. but thats not the best question to ask here :-p |
| 22:06.49 | lagbolt | Snadder, why would you ask that in here? |
| 22:07.02 | rswarbrick | Snadder: ooo is also available for windows. |
| 22:07.10 | lagbolt | snadder do you want to edit or just view? |
| 22:07.17 | lagbolt | cause there are free "windows office viewers" |
| 22:07.23 | Snadder | I didnt ask it, I must have typed it wrong or something :-p |
| 22:07.33 | Snadder | lagbolt, edit |
| 22:07.34 | \amethyst | torrr: does close eventually get called on your SharedTempPufFileInputStream ? |
| 22:07.49 | lagbolt | lol download office illegally :) |
| 22:07.54 | \amethyst | torrr: I guess it's the other code that's supposed to be calling close |
| 22:08.02 | lagbolt | or try OO for windows |
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| 22:08.19 | \amethyst | torrr: you should verify |
| 22:08.35 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.42 | \amethyst | torrr: add some logging or print statements to your STPFIS's close method |
| 22:09.08 | \amethyst | torrr: then you can see every time it is called |
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| 22:09.25 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.46 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.49 | \amethyst | that would work |
| 22:10.08 | \amethyst | torrr: or run it under a debugger and set breakpoints |
| 22:10.28 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.36 | \amethyst | torrr: yeah |
| 22:10.41 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.54 | \amethyst | torrr: any particular reason? |
| 22:11.14 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.10 | SyL | ok, what was the think for configuring eth* again. when I reboot it doesn't stay at all |
| 22:12.38 | \amethyst | torrr: my guess is that the STPFIS is getting disposed of before its close method is called... then the TPF is being deleted by the finalizer, but the SFIS is never being closed, so the file is still open-but-deleted |
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| 22:13.18 | unsolo | anyone that can help me get https rolling on lenny |
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| 22:13.57 | morghanphoenix | Yeah for backports |
| 22:14.03 | \amethyst | torrr: however, it might be something to do with your newStream implementation instead |
| 22:14.49 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.50 | \amethyst | torrr: probaby 1024---run ulimit -n to see |
| 22:14.50 | morghanphoenix | Why did I stop using Debian in the first place? This is so much better than that ubuntu crap. |
| 22:15.07 | torrr | cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max is 318588 |
| 22:15.08 | \amethyst | torrr: that's set in /etc/security/limits.conf (which is read on login) |
| 22:15.13 | \amethyst | torrr: that's different |
| 22:15.25 | \amethyst | torrr: file-max is the max number of open files on the entire system |
| 22:15.36 | unsolo | hmm so i enabled mod ssl and rewrite but nothing happens |
| 22:15.38 | \amethyst | torrr: ulimit -n is the max number of open fds in a given process |
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| 22:16.06 | poseidon | How can I get dual screens? |
| 22:16.17 | poseidon | *to work (I already have them) |
| 22:18.02 | _vvd | poseidon: configure your x server |
| 22:18.30 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.33 | _vvd | poseidon: its simple :) |
| 22:18.38 | poseidon | _vvd, how do I configure it for two monitors? |
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| 22:19.25 | _vvd | poseidon: that depends on the driver and/or the x version |
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| 22:20.34 | ``y7 | can i run debian as a firewall/router at the same time as using it as debian? |
| 22:20.47 | poseidon | _vvd, I'm using the vesa driver |
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| 22:21.02 | poseidon | _vvd, how do i find the version of x do I have (X11)? |
| 22:21.06 | valdyn | ``y7: sure |
| 22:21.21 | _vvd | poseidon: X -version |
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| 22:21.39 | kazol_ | I cannot use "sudo"-should I install it? |
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| 22:22.12 | poseidon | _vvd, O, I was trying --version |
| 22:22.21 | ``y7 | valdyn, which program would you recommend for that? |
| 22:22.22 | poseidon | _vvd, it's 7.1.1 |
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| 22:22.44 | joh | Why does my package create an empty sbin directory? The original source package doesn't. |
| 22:22.49 | ribasushi | hi |
| 22:22.51 | _vvd | poseidon: ah, same as mine :) |
| 22:23.05 | poseidon | _vvd, Yay! |
| 22:23.41 | _vvd | poseidon: what video card do you have? |
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| 22:23.56 | poseidon | _vvd, nvidia gforce 8500gt |
| 22:24.15 | poseidon | I'm using the vesa driver |
| 22:24.19 | ribasushi | is it a good idea to use the equivs package to create a pseudo package which depends on a number of libraries I need for development? The readme files it creates talk about ugly hacks and other not very nice stuff, so I began to wonder... |
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| 22:25.09 | _vvd | poseidon: oh, there should be tons of howtos in the net! try google "linux howto nvidia dual screen" or something (without the quotes |
| 22:25.21 | poseidon | _vvd, k thanks |
| 22:25.42 | _vvd | poseidon: yw |
| 22:26.58 | \amethyst | torrr: use - rather than hard |
| 22:27.07 | \amethyst | torrr: that sets both the hard and soft limits |
| 22:28.14 | \amethyst | torrr: oh, it's 'nofile' not 'nofiles'... that's the problem |
| 22:29.09 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.27 | ribasushi | usage of equivs anyone? |
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| 22:30.32 | markybob | no thanks |
| 22:30.58 | \amethyst | torrr: ah, you can change that in /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 22:31.04 | \amethyst | torrr: uncomment the pam_limits.so line |
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| 22:34.14 | unsolo | any debian how to https ssl guides out there |
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| 22:36.51 | nelf | bless you |
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| 22:37.24 | Akuw | is there any application to decompress rar files? |
| 22:37.26 | nelf | you too |
| 22:37.38 | markybob | Akuw unrar |
| 22:38.37 | neoark | or rar e |
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| 22:42.37 | ^Willie^ | evening ! |
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| 22:43.27 | ^Willie^ | someone here ??? |
| 22:43.31 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.05 | mquin | torrr: it means the file has been deleted while a process has it open |
| 22:44.06 | Gorbulas | files can be deleted but still in use |
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| 22:44.45 | ^Willie^ | can anyone tell me where i can find here at freenode the mdadm developer ?? |
| 22:45.02 | azeem | ^Willie^: file a bug report |
| 22:45.35 | ^Willie^ | i have a question that posible only he can answer .. not a bug thats up to him to decide if it is an bug or design error |
| 22:45.45 | acehigh | i know this aint debian related but anyone know how to get etqw to run in different video modes besides the one that runs defaulted due to xorg.conf |
| 22:45.50 | acehigh | my problem is that if I run etqw it defaults to 1280x1024 and I get a display on my monitor stating that its out of sync |
| 22:45.53 | dondelelcaro | unsolo: just a2enmod ssl; and follow the instructions on apache's website. |
| 22:46.00 | ribasushi | ^Willie^: this is what the mailing list is for |
| 22:46.02 | dondelelcaro | unsolo: besides the first part, there's nothing that is Debian specific. |
| 22:46.06 | azeem | ^Willie^: just file a bug and mention it might be a design error |
| 22:46.09 | ^Willie^ | ribasushi: url ? |
| 22:46.34 | ^Willie^ | http://neil.brown.name/blog/mdadm is not verry helpfull atall ... |
| 22:46.38 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: pkg-mdadm-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org |
| 22:46.48 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: apt-cache show mdadm; FTW. |
| 22:46.49 | ribasushi | ^Willie^: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid |
| 22:46.55 | ^Willie^ | i did ask for the mdadm dev not debian |
| 22:47.36 | dondelelcaro | uh... the Debian maintainer is also called a developer, so your question wasn't particularly clear. |
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| 22:48.16 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, bothering upstream is generally to be discouraged |
| 22:48.33 | ^Willie^ | somehow partitionable raid is imposible to be auto assembled since it overwrite some important parts that can be avoided by manual attatch partitions where an normal human that want to sleep normal stick whole disk`s in raid |
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| 22:49.01 | dondelelcaro | huh? |
| 22:49.08 | torrr | mquin, ah |
| 22:49.24 | ribasushi | ^Willie^: before sending this email read it carefully - what you just said made no sense at all |
| 22:49.25 | torrr | strange concept |
| 22:49.55 | unsolo | dondelelcaro: hmm ok |
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| 22:49.58 | ^Willie^ | ribasushi: if it made no sense to you try some back to the 1997 raid in big highend quad xeon compaq`s and comeback ok ? |
| 22:49.59 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: there's no problem with assembling partitioned raid devices. In fact, that's how software raid is actually done |
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| 22:50.39 | ^Willie^ | dondelelcaro: it only work when i tell mdadm to use the disk partitions and it won`t work when i ask to use whole disk`s .. |
| 22:50.41 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, I have run raid in hundreds of different configruations, so if your question makes no sense to me, odds are it's nonsensical) |
| 22:50.47 | ^Willie^ | dondelelcaro: that is an problem .. |
| 22:50.59 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: so? it's not like it's a big deal to use a whole partition on the device |
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| 22:51.57 | ^Willie^ | dondelelcaro: that is a little bit tolate now when the system is installed already and i have no damn cable to boot from cd with "all" disk`s in it .. notr money to buy one .. |
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| 22:52.00 | ribasushi | ^Willie^: running raid on non-partitioned disks is rather stupid, but beyond the point - please try to explain what happens when you create a raid from whole block devices |
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| 22:52.08 | ribasushi | ^Willie^: what is getting overwritten and by what |
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| 22:52.44 | ^Willie^ | the disk is just like an normal disk... it have 4 partitions thats right my raid1 have 4 partitions but are not detected at all .. |
| 22:52.48 | acehigh | I beleive he is trying to run a lun without partitions |
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| 22:53.16 | ribasushi | gives up, ^Willie^ must be high |
| 22:53.22 | ^Willie^ | only way to fix this is buy an cable without money or reinstall .. i refuse both and need something to do tonight .. |
| 22:53.40 | ribasushi | is happy he gave up :) |
| 22:53.42 | ^Willie^ | ribasushi: i wish then i had the option to do nothing .. now i can`t |
| 22:53.43 | acehigh | ^Willie^, are the partitions exact same size in both the disk and the raid configuration? |
| 22:54.20 | ^Willie^ | i did build an raid1 with missing disk... since i had not 2 cables it whas not posible to build it with 2 disk1s .. |
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| 22:54.40 | dutchfish | hi, by default bind9 in debian doesnt allow to write the .jnl files in /etc/bind dir. Probably this is good. But how to set up a separte path for the journal files for the master zones that are update with a correct TSIG hdmac? |
| 22:54.56 | ^Willie^ | now it refuse to auto assemble the partitions and the partitions are type 83 and 82 .. i did put those types at the metadisk and not the real disk .. |
| 22:55.03 | acehigh | ^Willie^, did you virtualize that disk or just give the peramitores for the raid |
| 22:55.12 | acehigh | and yes i misspelled the word |
| 22:55.23 | ^Willie^ | <- not care about spelling at all |
| 22:55.40 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: did you actually --grow the array after putting these new disks into place? |
| 22:55.51 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: or did you expect them just to automatically be stuck onto the array? |
| 22:56.00 | phyburn | how do you find what proccess is bound to a port? |
| 22:56.05 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: netstat -plunt; |
| 22:56.07 | acehigh | ^Willie^, k question 2 since you have a 83 and a 82 do you also have a matching raid of those two? |
| 22:56.20 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: or other invocations of netstat, dependening on what you're doing |
| 22:56.27 | ^Willie^ | i did create an raid1 with mdadm with one disk and planning to add an second disk later when i can remove the cdrom drive .. |
| 22:56.49 | ^Willie^ | now it refuse to boot and i can`t dd the data to the other disk when i boot from that disk .. so i have an problem here |
| 22:56.55 | acehigh | ^Willie^, answer what i asked please |
| 22:57.29 | phyburn | dondelelcaro, isn't there a command that shows whats bound to a port and also shows tyhe proccess id? |
| 22:57.29 | bartman_9923 | phyburn: netstat -utpa |
| 22:57.36 | ^Willie^ | acehigh: you did not understand what i wrote i gues .. |
| 22:57.57 | ^Willie^ | acehigh: 1 hdd 1 cdrom .. 1 cable .. no money .. wont assemble automatic .. get it ? |
| 22:58.23 | acehigh | ^Willie^, I get what your saying I am trying to help you understand what yoru saying |
| 22:58.27 | ^Willie^ | boot from disk make it imposible to run dd and clone the data manual else i whas able to edit the mdadm setup without loosing my dATA |
| 22:58.46 | phyburn | where is the PID lol tcp 0 0 *:43041 *:* LISTEN - |
| 22:58.49 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: uh... the command that I gave you does that. |
| 22:58.54 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: you need to be root to see it. |
| 22:58.59 | phyburn | oh okay thanks |
| 22:59.09 | Gorbulas | pid 0 is the kernel |
| 22:59.11 | dondelelcaro | phyburn: tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 10043/sshd FE. |
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| 22:59.35 | dondelelcaro | Gorbulas: no, - is the kernel (or a process for which there is no pid that you can see) |
| 22:59.38 | zicho | does anyone know how to set xterms fg-color using html-color code? |
| 22:59.39 | Gorbulas | or maybe it's "-" |
| 22:59.49 | dondelelcaro | (those zeros are the SendQ and RecvQ) |
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| 23:00.33 | dondelelcaro | zicho: AFAIK, it doesn't take html colors |
| 23:00.35 | bk_ | i've updated lenny today and now my alt-gr is borked |
| 23:00.38 | dondelelcaro | (or rgb colors) |
| 23:01.00 | dondelelcaro | zicho: but there are enough X11 colors to do just about anything you'd want, and they have nice names, like plum. |
| 23:01.18 | acehigh | ^Willie^, I do beleive what you have done is built a raid1 without matching raids....hince now when you boot the matching raid can not be found and will not boot due to this configuration......hince what I was asking you about 83 and 82...... |
| 23:01.58 | zicho | dondelelcaro, i found this: http://mkaz.com/ref/xterm_colors.html |
| 23:02.21 | zicho | but some colornames just tell me "Warning: Color name XX is not defined" |
| 23:02.30 | dondelelcaro | zicho: those are some of the X11 colors, yes. |
| 23:02.30 | ^Willie^ | acehigh: i did not expect mdadm whas doing an direct symlink /dev/mdX->/dev/sdX .. |
| 23:03.04 | dondelelcaro | zicho: they may not all be defined in whatever the right x11 header is; you'd have to check |
| 23:03.18 | zicho | dondelelcaro, how? |
| 23:03.32 | ^Willie^ | acehigh: when you use sda and sdc for an mirrorset (raid1) and partition it .. do i not expect fdisk -l show sda == mda 100% identical .. |
| 23:03.58 | ^Willie^ | acehigh: it have an UUsomething id and that must be enough to assemble if you ask me .. |
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| 23:04.30 | dondelelcaro | zicho: see /etc/X11/rgb.txt or similar |
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| 23:04.57 | zicho | dondelelcaro, ill look into it. thx |
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| 23:06.13 | dondelelcaro | uh... you can't partition md style raid devices |
| 23:06.21 | dondelelcaro | you need mdp ones, and they're rather different. |
| 23:06.25 | acehigh | ^Willie^, k quoted straight from a how-to "Spare-disks are not supported here. If a disk dies, the array dies with it. There's no information to put on a spare disk." |
| 23:06.36 | ^Willie^ | dondelelcaro: DUH i know and i did .. |
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| 23:06.55 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: "do i not expect fdisk -l show sda == mda 100% identical" ? |
| 23:07.03 | adam__ | anyone know how to fix this? Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version. |
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| 23:07.16 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: mda!=mdp |
| 23:07.29 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: if you don't want our assistance, you're free to go elsewhere. Otherwise, kindly work with us. |
| 23:07.37 | ^Willie^ | dondelelcaro: create /dev/mda --auto=mdp ... |
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| 23:08.01 | acehigh | ^Willie^, with mdadm you can have partitions of different sizes and they can be identical also but if they do not match as far as type then they can and mostlikely will be coorupt |
| 23:08.05 | acehigh | corrupt |
| 23:08.19 | ^Willie^ | dondelelcaro: if you did know mdadm you did not piss me off right now and did know mdadm make symlinks |
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| 23:09.31 | acehigh | welp we tried |
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| 23:09.59 | dondelelcaro | ^Willie^: please spend the next 10 minutes figuring whether you actually want to have us answer your questions; if you do, then slowly and correctly write exactly what the problem is, what you tried to do, what happened, and what you expected to happen. |
| 23:10.07 | dondelelcaro | so much for that |
| 23:11.03 | doki_pen | can I apt-get install openssh-server without installing X? |
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| 23:11.27 | jberg_ | i'd like to put an emacs icon on the desktop (gnome), how can i do that? and on the tool/menu bar on the top |
| 23:11.28 | acehigh | yes but i forgot the syntax atm |
| 23:11.30 | Sam1337 | What is the point in double compilation? |
| 23:11.30 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: sure. |
| 23:11.44 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: what is the magical incantation? |
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| 23:12.02 | dutchfish | hi, by default bind9 in debian doesnt allow to write the .jnl files in /etc/bind dir. Probably this is good. But how to set up a separate path for the journal files for the master zones that are updated with a correct TSIG hmac? |
| 23:12.06 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: aptitude install openssh-server; |
| 23:12.15 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: :S |
| 23:12.27 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: if you're absolutely sure that you're never going to want remote X, then aptitude install --without-recommends openssh-server. |
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| 23:12.47 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: the xlibs and xorg-common are *not* an X server, in case it wasn't clear. |
| 23:13.00 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: that's better, It's a server, absolutely no X |
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| 23:13.05 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:13.20 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: yes, I know, I said I don't want any X, let alone X server |
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| 23:13.28 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: uh... just because it's a server doesn't mean that you won't use remote X from it. |
| 23:13.34 | dondelelcaro | does that all the time |
| 23:13.55 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: I don't |
| 23:14.08 | acehigh | that includes smb passthrough |
| 23:14.18 | dondelelcaro | well, now you know what to do. |
| 23:14.25 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: ty! |
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| 23:14.38 | acehigh | which alot do with ssh :) |
| 23:14.49 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: it's actually an appliance and needs to be very small |
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| 23:14.59 | abrotman | that is kind of a goofy recommends |
| 23:15.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not really |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | subjectively |
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| 23:15.30 | doki_pen | abrotman: I don't agree with you |
| 23:15.35 | dondelelcaro | unless you've got special needs (no disk space?) you almost always want xauth |
| 23:15.42 | doki_pen | abrotman: but I knew there must be a way to do it without X |
| 23:15.48 | abrotman | doki_pen: you don't? you just did agree with me |
| 23:16.09 | doki_pen | abrotman: sorry. I don't use X, I know a lot do |
| 23:16.16 | dondelelcaro | and if you've got special needs, you should know (or learn) how to turn of recommends |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | doki_pen: you're agreeing with me |
| 23:16.29 | doki_pen | abrotman: and if it's compiled with X, then ppl expect it to work |
| 23:16.34 | adam__ | anyone know how to get my kernel headers to match the one i have running |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | waits for doki_pen to catch up |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | adam__: uname -a |
| 23:17.06 | dondelelcaro | adam__: m-a a-i prepare; should also do it for you, assuming you're running a Debian kernel. |
| 23:17.13 | abrotman | and it's up to date |
| 23:17.17 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: out of curiousity, is there a way to do it with apt-get? |
| 23:17.46 | doki_pen | abrotman: it's perfectly legit to have X on by default |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | doki_pen: wtf? you just switched sides |
| 23:18.04 | adam__ | dondelelcaro: it says "prepare? what is prepeare?" |
| 23:18.06 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: sure |
| 23:18.41 | dondelelcaro | adam__: uh, if it said 'prepeare', you typoed. |
| 23:18.53 | dondelelcaro | adam__: and it should ahve been m-a prepare; ditch the a-i |
| 23:18.53 | acehigh | brb |
| 23:19.21 | doki_pen | abrotman: read what I said |
| 23:19.34 | abrotman | first you want ssh without xauth .. then with ? |
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| 23:19.44 | doki_pen | abrotman: I only said that I don't use X for a server and that I want to know how to shut it off |
| 23:19.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i guess i'd probably go with a Suggests .. i have plenty of machines that use ssh but not xauth |
| 23:20.02 | doki_pen | abrotman: I never said, debian is stupid for having X on by default |
| 23:20.14 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:20.24 | doki_pen | abrotman: I still love you though |
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| 23:20.34 | abrotman | doki_pen: can i have my beer and burrito now? :) |
| 23:20.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, the number of times that people ask here about it tells me that it should be a recommends, because almost everyone wants it |
| 23:21.18 | abrotman | i don't think we have as many anymore .. or i just don't see them |
| 23:21.38 | dondelelcaro | I think that's largely because of the recommends, as it now "just works" |
| 23:21.51 | dondelelcaro | (it's also not a big deal now, because xauth is separated from xbase-clients) |
| 23:21.57 | dondelelcaro | *that* used to suck |
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| 23:22.18 | dondelelcaro | had his own xauth-static package for precisely that reason |
| 23:23.34 | abrotman | it's not set that way in etch though |
| 23:23.46 | doki_pen | what is the mechanism that controls init.d scripts in debian? |
| 23:23.56 | doki_pen | gives abrotman a beer and a burrito |
| 23:23.57 | dondelelcaro | doki_pen: in what way? |
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| 23:24.03 | adam__ | dondelelcaro: when i apt-get cpad-kernel-source it says that my kernel headers arent the same still. do i need to reboot or something? |
| 23:24.10 | abrotman | doki_pen: to install them or start/stop them ? |
| 23:24.14 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: how does init decide which to run? is it all of them? |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | adam__: uname -a ? |
| 23:24.40 | doki_pen | dondelelcaro: for install, in slackware, if they are +x they run. In gentoo, you use the rc-update program. |
| 23:25.02 | doki_pen | abrotman: install/uninstall I guess |
| 23:25.05 | abrotman | doki_pen: we have update-rc.d to change what runs .. but as far as the mechanism that actually runs them, that's something else |
| 23:25.21 | doki_pen | abrotman: yes, just to change, ty |
| 23:25.33 | adam__ | abrotman: Linux localhost 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat Apr 5 10:03:18 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:25.55 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, ya know much about games? |
| 23:25.58 | doki_pen | abrotman: where is that program? I can't find it |
| 23:25.59 | abrotman | adam__: and if you `m-a prepare` .. what happens ? |
| 23:26.05 | abrotman | doki_pen: are you root ? |
| 23:26.16 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, i.e. etqw and running it at a different resolution |
| 23:26.29 | doki_pen | abrotman: yes |
| 23:26.32 | doki_pen | abrotman: sudo |
| 23:26.50 | abrotman | it's /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 23:27.10 | doki_pen | abrotman: :(, I don't have it! |
| 23:27.14 | doki_pen | abrotman: lol |
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| 23:27.35 | abrotman | doki_pen: is it debian ? |
| 23:27.37 | adam__ | abrotman: it says it got them and that they are available in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build |
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| 23:27.40 | acehigh | opps |
| 23:27.42 | acehigh | hehe |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | adam__: okay .. and your cpad still fails ? |
| 23:27.51 | dondelelcaro | acehigh: don't really have time to play them much, so no. |
| 23:27.58 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, np |
| 23:28.09 | doki_pen | abrotman: yes!! |
| 23:28.30 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, thats why i play etqw when i got time i can and if I dont I dont have to worry :) |
| 23:28.45 | abrotman | doki_pen: you should have that |
| 23:28.49 | \amethyst | doki_pen: if you want to see the script that actually launches the rc?.d scripts, it's /etc/init.d/rc |
| 23:28.49 | adam__ | abrotman: yea, cause it tries it automaticly after it gets the headers |
| 23:28.54 | doki_pen | abrotman: I'll try RTFM |
| 23:29.02 | abrotman | doki_pen: is file-rc installed ? |
| 23:29.09 | doki_pen | abrotman: maybe not |
| 23:29.19 | abrotman | adam__: does it give a more useful error ? |
| 23:29.40 | doki_pen | I have sysv-rc installed |
| 23:29.44 | doki_pen | is that wrong? |
| 23:29.57 | doki_pen | abrotman: it says if I install file-rc, sysv-rc will be uninstalled |
| 23:30.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:30.15 | adam__ | abrotman: /var/lib/dpkg/info/cpad-kernel-source.postinst: line 49: [: too many arguments then says they dont match |
| 23:30.22 | abrotman | that's different |
| 23:30.35 | abrotman | doki_pen: that should also have a /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
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| 23:31.04 | doki_pen | abrotman: I think it's just like slackware |
| 23:31.18 | doki_pen | abrotman: I think slackware uses sysv style |
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| 23:31.29 | doki_pen | speak of the devil!! |
| 23:31.29 | abrotman | roughly |
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| 23:33.22 | adam__ | abrotman: can i delete the old headers in the /lib/modules dir? |
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| 23:33.40 | HELLOF | this might be a little complex, but is there a way to automatically collect a copy of each update or patch i make to debian in a separate folder for archival purposes? (so I can re-use these updates offline if needed) |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | adam__: those aren't headers |
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| 23:34.27 | abrotman | HELLOF: the changes you make? or the updated packages? |
| 23:34.58 | adam__ | abrotman: should i delete them? |
| 23:35.08 | HELLOF | i guess it would make more sense to archive the updated packages. |
| 23:35.33 | abrotman | adam__: no |
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| 23:36.12 | abrotman | HELLOF: you can use something like apt-zip i guess |
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| 23:36.31 | abrotman | HELLOF: or just burn them to a CD and then /msg dpkg repository |
| 23:36.34 | adam__ | abrotman: is that my old kernel source or something? |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | in /lib/modules/ are your old kernel modules, etc |
| 23:37.19 | HELLOF | cool, i plan on backing these up so i can always have a custom, personalized debian straight out the box any time i reformat |
| 23:37.20 | abrotman | and your current stuff |
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| 23:37.41 | adam__ | oh ok, yea. i got a folder for my current kernel and my old one |
| 23:39.31 | adam__ | hmmm, so theres no way to fix the kernel headers? |
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| 23:41.10 | ushdfgakk | my x just crashed really hard |
| 23:41.19 | ushdfgakk | i can't get to a console or do any alt-sysrqs |
| 23:41.31 | ushdfgakk | anybody have any better ideas? |
| 23:41.32 | abrotman | adam__: i don't think anything is wrong with them |
| 23:41.43 | adam__ | ok dude |
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| 23:41.47 | abrotman | ushdfgakk: don't boot directly into X |
| 23:41.52 | ushdfgakk | i didn't |
| 23:41.52 | abrotman | ok dude! |
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| 23:42.11 | ushdfgakk | but how do i get out now |
| 23:42.42 | ushdfgakk | short of shutting it off, which would piss me off |
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| 23:43.24 | ushdfgakk | do i have any other magic key combos |
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| 23:44.13 | noisesmith | how do I find the exact info about the airport card on my ibook, other than lspci (lspci only lists the ethernet port) |
| 23:45.49 | And1 | Does anyone know where I can find a libgtk2.0-0 2.10 or 2.12 .deb package for Debian Etch, or where I can find someone who knows it? =) |
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| 23:45.59 | ZombB | noisesmith, maybe lsusb or ls*** just try eith tab |
| 23:46.18 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 23:46.18 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 23:46.56 | abrotman | And1: doesn't it have 2.8 ? |
| 23:47.15 | And1 | abrotman: It has, yup. |
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| 23:47.23 | kibibyte | hi |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | And1: you can google for "gnome gtk etch backport" or make your own(not sure how well that would go) |
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| 23:47.50 | And1 | I don't know much about making .debs :/ In etch-backports there also is 2.8 ... =/ |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | And1: i thought Norbert made a backport of like gnome 2.16 for etch |
| 23:47.59 | lwhacker | I did an upgrade from sarge to etch. Now I want to upgrade my kernel, but apt-get wants to uninstall grub and install lilo. Have we gone back to lilo? Or what do I need to do to prevent this? |
| 23:48.06 | kibibyte | i removed /etc/init.d/alsa how to revert it? i tries remove alsa-base and then install this package again but i still canoot find it |
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| 23:48.15 | kibibyte | help |
| 23:48.25 | And1 | abrotman: I don't use gnome, I just need the lib for a gtk theme... |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | !tell kibibyte about confmiss |
| 23:48.28 | noisesmith | abrotman: none of the ls's helped, I will install hwinfo when my current aptitude is done running, and try that |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | And1: that's a lot of work for a theme |
| 23:49.00 | And1 | abrotman: What you mean? =) |
| 23:49.04 | kibibyte | confmiss? |
| 23:49.27 | kibibyte | when i list package alsa-base i see: |
| 23:49.34 | kibibyte | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 5884 2008-02-22 21:02 ./etc/init.d/alsa |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | !find etc/init.d/alsa etch |
| 23:49.49 | kibibyte | but why its not copied to /etc/init.d then |
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| 23:50.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/alsa' (2): (/etc/init.d/alsa) in sound/alsa-base ;; (/etc/init.d/alsa-utils) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 23:50.35 | abrotman | kibibyte: /msg dpkg confmiss .. use what it tells you to reinstall the alsa-utils package |
| 23:50.39 | noisesmith | hwinfo did the trick, thanks |
| 23:50.44 | abrotman | kibibyte: erm .. alsa-base package |
| 23:50.50 | kibibyte | ok |
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| 23:52.48 | smultron | anyone good with postfix? i can't get recipient_bcc to work. http://pastebin.com/db6aa6a |
| 23:52.49 | kibibyte | ill try now |
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| 23:55.58 | docta_v | any debuild gurus in here that can help me with a quirky issue? |
| 23:56.27 | docta_v | i am trying to build the squid3 package from source |
| 23:56.31 | abrotman | smultron: you know there's a #postfix right ? |
| 23:56.42 | docta_v | but debuild is improperly deleting some of the Makefiles causing the build to fail |
| 23:56.50 | smultron | abrotman: yeah. not much help |
| 23:56.54 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:56.58 | abrotman | smultron: ##linux ? |
| 23:57.05 | abrotman | just other ideas :) |
| 23:57.11 | smultron | abrotman: good idea, thanks :) |
| 23:57.13 | abrotman | and your mail.log isn't really anything useful |
| 23:57.36 | smultron | because it's amavis not postfix? |
| 23:57.50 | abrotman | it doesn't say it's not working for example |
| 23:58.25 | smultron | well, yeah. that's the weird part. it looks like it's fine but the gmail isn't getting BCC'd |
