| 00:00.05 | Dinosaur | dpkg --configure -a isn't working. |
| 00:00.07 | Joelito | Wyzard: My idea is to create shorcuts for fluxbox so people can easy shutdown or reboot from the desktop |
| 00:00.08 | dpkg | i don't know, Dinosaur |
| 00:00.08 | abrotman | he didn't say he didn't have that |
| 00:00.13 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:00.18 | beardy | So why do you want to reboot a machien you don't have root on? |
| 00:00.20 | Dinosaur | jim: did you use to work at laney.edu? |
| 00:00.24 | abrotman | he wants the users to be able to do it without root passwd |
| 00:00.28 | Gm4n | hmm, ftp-ssl connects, but won't actually list files :( |
| 00:00.29 | jim | yeah |
| 00:00.32 | beardy | Or, why can't you ask your root? |
| 00:00.33 | jim | why? |
| 00:00.46 | Dinosaur | jim: just wondering if you are the jim I remember from 1999. you are. :) |
| 00:00.56 | jim | who's this? |
| 00:01.13 | markybob | jim you have a stalker |
| 00:01.16 | Dinosaur | jim: name is Ted. I think you spent the night at my friends place at Linux Expo, back in 99. |
| 00:01.25 | jim | oh wow ok |
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| 00:01.54 | Dinosaur | jim: I recall he kept you up all night helping him install linux. you kept your cool and treated him like a saint. :) |
| 00:01.56 | jim | the one in san jose? and your friend is a good dist south? |
| 00:01.58 | abrotman | jim: it was a magical night for him :) |
| 00:02.06 | jim | heh |
| 00:02.12 | Dinosaur | jim: yes, just on the southern end of san jose, off the 408 I think. |
| 00:02.23 | beardy | Heh |
| 00:02.46 | jim | back then I could keep my cool... |
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| 00:03.07 | beardy | !cool jim |
| 00:03.15 | Dinosaur | lately, I've been having tons of fun with newlisp. |
| 00:03.22 | Dinosaur | it is as powerful as perl, and as simple as BASIC. |
| 00:03.23 | beardy | (Never seen one, but there should be one, then.) |
| 00:03.30 | Dinosaur | but it has the syntax of LISP. |
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| 00:03.49 | jim | does it have the features of lisp at its core? |
| 00:03.50 | nse | what's the file iin charge for loading deamons during the startup? |
| 00:03.56 | abrotman | there is no single file |
| 00:03.58 | mentor | Well, at least it's not as simple as perl and as powerful as basic |
| 00:03.59 | Wyzard | Dinosaur: Lots of Irritating Silly Parentheses? :-P |
| 00:04.02 | beardy | !init.d |
| 00:04.02 | dpkg | init.d is probably where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel> |
| 00:04.06 | nse | great! |
| 00:04.14 | mentor | I can write the last quarter of any lisp program |
| 00:04.33 | noisesmith | laughs at mentor's remark |
| 00:04.38 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:04.57 | netdaemon | curses at perl |
| 00:05.05 | jim | it's always )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 00:05.11 | mentor | really? |
| 00:05.21 | mentor | Damn, that completely ruins my joke |
| 00:05.23 | jim | or some subset :) |
| 00:05.27 | mentor | rolls his eyes |
| 00:05.33 | Dinosaur | jim: yes, it has the features of lisp at its core. but it has so many convenience functions that the )))))) vanish |
| 00:05.50 | abrotman | so it's lisp for lazy people ? |
| 00:05.53 | Dinosaur | jim: it has networking, file io, and GUI stuff built in, as easy as tcl/tk. easier, in fact. |
| 00:06.01 | Dinosaur | and the binary is only 180k on windows. |
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| 00:06.13 | Dinosaur | most cross platform version of LISP i've ever used. |
| 00:06.23 | Dinosaur | really easy to package up an application in it and distribute it. |
| 00:06.28 | markybob | damnit. lkml is down |
| 00:06.31 | Dinosaur | full regular expression integration. etc |
| 00:06.35 | jim | there was xlisp which built across platforms |
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| 00:06.59 | jim | anyway I'm off for the eve |
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| 00:07.10 | jim | good meeting you again Ted |
| 00:07.15 | AcTiVaTe | Gm4n: Filezilla supposedly also does TLS/SSL |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | they do |
| 00:07.33 | Gm4n | AcTiVaTe: just tried it, but it didn't give me that option, just sftp :/ |
| 00:07.34 | abrotman | erm .. it does |
| 00:07.43 | jim | ever seen/heard gongzilla? |
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| 00:08.24 | Peder_ | Anyone that could help me a bit? I have set up samba to be ad for a domain. But I cant find the domain using the windows machine. |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | Peder_: #samba ? |
| 00:09.20 | Peder_ | abrotman - Good idea. I'll try there :) |
| 00:10.04 | Dinosaur | jim: likewise. have a great evening. |
| 00:10.56 | noisesmith | Dinosaur: where do I find the newlisp package? |
| 00:11.10 | pkcahier | curses the pure-ftpd maintainer for not adding the simple utf-8 support that has been in the bug report system for almost a year now |
| 00:11.21 | Dinosaur | # newLisp |
| 00:11.21 | Dinosaur | deb http://en.feautec.pp.ru/debian/ etch main |
| 00:11.21 | Dinosaur | deb-src http://en.feautec.pp.ru/debian/ etch main |
| 00:11.21 | Dinosaur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:11.43 | Dinosaur | how much of that got through? |
| 00:11.44 | humbolto | can I dynamically adjust the ram size for quests on xen 3.0? |
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| 00:11.57 | Gm4n | Dinosaur: first 3 lines |
| 00:12.10 | Dinosaur | Gm4n: thanks. |
| 00:12.23 | Dinosaur | noisesmith: ok, pop those 3 lines into your apt/sources.list and you are good to go with newlisp. |
| 00:12.48 | Dinosaur | noisesmith: the online newlisp documentation is excellent; start first with his "code patterns" document, it'll have you up and running real quick. |
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| 00:13.09 | DexterF | hi |
| 00:13.32 | noisesmith | feautec.pp.ru is giving me a 404 for packages, sources are working though |
| 00:13.37 | Dinosaur | odd. |
| 00:13.38 | DexterF | when a package is removed, will the .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info be removed, too? |
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| 00:14.36 | Dinosaur | noisesmith: I'm having problems backing off from the latest perl instability in sid, so I can't help much right now. |
| 00:14.38 | DexterF | or better: when I remove a package and they are still there something went wrong? |
| 00:14.44 | Dinosaur | noisesmith: my package manager is borked |
| 00:15.00 | noisesmith | Dinosaur: ok, I think I have it figured out, there was only one 404 in the list |
| 00:15.03 | nerdMX | what is better WPA Encryption: tkip or aes ? |
| 00:15.14 | AcTiVaTe | mac filtering ftw! |
| 00:15.26 | mentor | head-desk |
| 00:15.42 | mentor | nerdMX: WPA2 with AES-CCMP |
| 00:15.48 | mentor | Don't accept any imitations |
| 00:16.10 | AcTiVaTe | only uses MAC filtering and no WEP or WPA or whatever |
| 00:16.34 | mentor | Umm, right. |
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| 00:16.49 | mentor | AcTiVaTe: To achieve what? |
| 00:17.23 | Dinosaur | noisesmith: what was the problem? are you downloading the newlisp .deb now? |
| 00:18.49 | Dinosaur | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 00:18.59 | Dinosaur | running dpkg --configure -a is not correcting the problem |
| 00:19.17 | mentor | See what the error is... |
| 00:19.43 | Dinosaur | dselect doesn't show the error. and aptitude is just hanging with a blank screen |
| 00:21.05 | pkcahier | thinks things are going to take some time after Get:934 :D |
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| 00:22.17 | AcTiVaTe | mentor: Intruders in the WLAN? |
| 00:22.34 | themill | !tell AcTiVaTe about mac change |
| 00:22.59 | AcTiVaTe | They would need to have a valid MAC then wouldn't they? |
| 00:23.12 | AcTiVaTe | Methinks just trying random can take quite a while |
| 00:24.26 | goodshit | anyone know how to password a variable in a brwoser. kinda like ftp://username:password@domain.com . That way you don't have to type in a username and password and get you straight in. Can you do that for http: where you have a .htaccess file. can you do a http://username:passwod@domain.com? I tried that buy didnt' work any variable to put into the http: for it not to prompt me for a username and password? |
| 00:26.04 | BubbaT | Using KDE, is the only way to change the monitor resolutions to edit XF86CXonfig? |
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| 00:26.15 | BubbaT | Sorry XF86Config-4? |
| 00:26.38 | noisesmith | BubbaT: no, and these days it is xorg.conf |
| 00:26.58 | noisesmith | BubbaT: unless you are using a very old version |
| 00:26.59 | stew | BubbaT: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:27.10 | abrotman | goodshit: maybe ask #web .. i've never seen that .. that i can recall |
| 00:27.41 | themill | AcTiVaTe: do you think that the mac address can't be trivially obtained from your wlan? |
| 00:27.42 | BubbaT | stew etch sort of upgrading to lenny right now :O |
| 00:27.43 | themill | goodshit: that syntax is perfect |
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| 00:28.32 | stew | BubbaT: you can change resolution with xrandr, running 'xrandr' by itself will list availble resolutions. if the resolution you want isn't there, you'd ahve to reconfigure your xorg.conf by running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | themill: for http? |
| 00:28.39 | themill | abrotman: yep |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman | themill: never seen that .. but i guess i don't see the point of putting the password in the URL :) |
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| 00:29.30 | themill | abrotman: that's how the phishers construct urls that look more sensible -- they put the username as www.ebay.com in that url syntax. |
| 00:29.48 | BubbaT | stew but of I have to modify xorg.conf, then I have to restart X? |
| 00:29.52 | pkcahier | I Wonder if pure-ftpd's maintainer is dead... Almost all the bug in the bug tracker seem unanswered. |
| 00:29.53 | abrotman | themill: i don't look that closely :) |
| 00:30.18 | elagar | hi.. how can y Disable the wifi on linux at init? im using ifconfig ath0 down.. but where can disable by default? |
| 00:30.23 | stew | BubbaT: yes |
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| 00:31.00 | Vejeta | elagar, edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out the lines about ath0 |
| 00:31.34 | BubbaT | Yeah that's what i'm trying to avoid. :( |
| 00:32.19 | elagar | they are commented.. it does not try to connect.. but it is listening.. it makes interference with the speakers.. the only way that it stops is using ifconfig ath0 down manually.. |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | elagar: blacklist the modules ? |
| 00:33.03 | pkcahier | where can I view the history of a package?(with release dates) |
| 00:33.29 | stew | pkcahier: http://changelogs.debian.net/sourcepackagename |
| 00:33.34 | themill | pkcahier: in the debian changelog. /usr/share/doc/packagename (or on packages.debian.org) |
| 00:33.39 | pkcahier | thanks |
| 00:33.56 | elagar | i nned to cooment the modules in /etc/modules? |
| 00:33.56 | abrotman | pkcahier: packages.debian.org is one place .. and also packages.qa.debian.org/<packagename> |
| 00:34.05 | abrotman | yay 10 places! |
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| 00:34.27 | pkcahier | hum... what I suspected seems confirmed... http://changelogs.debian.net/pure-ftpd no sign of the maintainer(stefan hornburg) since june 2007... |
| 00:34.45 | markybob | pkcahier no one uses pure-ftpd, anyway |
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| 00:34.52 | markybob | pkcahier switch to vsftpd like a sane admiin |
| 00:34.53 | markybob | admin* |
| 00:34.57 | pkcahier | :/ |
| 00:35.04 | pkcahier | does vsftpd have a mysql module? |
| 00:35.10 | markybob | yes |
| 00:35.17 | pkcahier | does it support utf-8? |
| 00:35.22 | themill | stew: istr that changelogs.d.n doesn't have stable-security updates, only uploads to unstable, doesn't it? |
| 00:35.23 | markybob | pkcahier yes. |
| 00:35.29 | pkcahier | ok, sounds fair then. |
| 00:35.30 | pkcahier | I should move |
| 00:35.38 | stew | themill: yeah, probably |
| 00:35.58 | markybob | pkcahier http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ |
| 00:36.24 | pkcahier | thanks |
| 00:36.33 | pkcahier | I moved to pure-ftpd because proftpd was horrid |
| 00:36.39 | pkcahier | but I guess vsftpd will be better in the end. |
| 00:36.55 | pkcahier | (moved... 11 months ago now) |
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| 00:37.48 | pkcahier | now to wait for these 990 packages to finish installing... that's what I get for 90 days of absense. |
| 00:38.01 | dvs | o_O |
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| 00:39.33 | Hinata` | Hi |
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| 00:40.22 | Hinata` | When I type sudo aptitude upgrade I get this message: W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead. juste befor make the upgrade, is it normal? |
| 00:40.37 | Hinata` | *making |
| 00:41.07 | stew | Hinata`: yes, upgrade was renamed to safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade was renamed full-upgrade |
| 00:41.30 | SerajewelKS | ok, wtf, totem tells me that i need the -bad gstreamer plugins to be able to watch youtube videos. i installed it and restarted totem and now it politely tells me the exact same thing. |
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| 00:41.39 | Hinata` | ah ok ^ |
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| 00:42.36 | mentor | AcTiVaTe: Umm, yeah, but your traffic is completely plaintext, so they can just clone your MACs |
| 00:42.40 | elagar | hi... sorry.. it does not work.. the module stills go up |
| 00:43.05 | Akuw | annybody here know how to export dia images? |
| 00:43.10 | Vejeta | elagar, another solution, make a script that "ifconfig ath0 down" and use update-rc.d to make it run at your runlevel boot. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 00:43.12 | Akuw | i have a problem when i do |
| 00:44.12 | elagar | i think that is the network-manager script |
| 00:45.03 | jim | Akuw: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | mentor: it stops joe-random .. not the guy who really wants it |
| 00:45.36 | jim | and I'm out the door... but when you say "i have a problem" without saying what it is... well, let's just say that's not a conversation |
| 00:45.57 | mentor | Ugh |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | Akuw: we need more details |
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| 00:46.13 | mentor | No, it's just a false sense of security |
| 00:46.17 | PleXuS | hi all |
| 00:46.28 | mentor | Might as well leave one's wireless open |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | mentor: i didn't say it was secure .. all it will do is keep the random person from leeching your bandwidth, unless they really want in |
| 00:46.44 | Akuw | well, everytime i export a dia diagram, it appear so big |
| 00:46.46 | PleXuS | anyone known if its possible on linux to dump dvd writer fw? |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | Akuw: export to what? |
| 00:46.59 | Akuw | jpg |
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| 00:47.13 | abrotman | Akuw: tried viewing the dia diagram at 100% for comparison? |
| 00:47.18 | abrotman | Akuw: FWIW .. you can resize the JPG |
| 00:47.33 | Akuw | wait |
| 00:47.34 | mentor | There's just no fucking point. Setting it up securely is easy. Propogating any other stupidity is... unethical |
| 00:48.05 | abrotman | mentor: as long as you understand the risks .. so be it, you can't secure everybody else's stuff |
| 00:48.34 | stew | plz to be securing my stuff |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | hopefully the guy doing it understands the implications |
| 00:48.43 | abrotman | !staple stew |
| 00:48.43 | dpkg | whips out his power stapler and staples stew's genitalia to the ground |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | stuff secured! |
| 00:49.00 | mentor | abrotman: He clearly didn't. |
| 00:49.13 | mentor | Stop this nonsense! Won't somebody think of the children? |
| 00:49.14 | mentor | ! |
| 00:49.14 | abrotman | mentor: hopefully he does now .. though i'm skeptical |
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| 00:49.27 | Akuw | some page to paste image? |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:49.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | last URL |
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| 00:49.58 | jim | pic yr paste! |
| 00:52.06 | Akuw | abrotman: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_10.png |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | HI |
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| 00:52.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | i completely fail to see the issue |
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| 00:53.38 | abrotman | hopes there is a second paste comin |
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| 00:53.50 | abrotman | Akuw: FWIW .. your dia screenshot there shows the zoom as 50% |
| 00:54.04 | Akuw | http://picpaste.com/case.jpeg |
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| 00:54.14 | Akuw | i just show my config |
| 00:54.21 | Akuw | now see the exported file |
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| 00:54.36 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 00:54.49 | SamuraiDio | how do i create/format a fat32 filesystem? |
| 00:54.51 | abrotman | Akuw: oh .. you mean your stuff is really far to the right ? |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat |
| 00:54.58 | SamuraiDio | what package do i need? |
| 00:54.59 | heroxbd | How can I setup the new linux-2.6.25 isatap feature, being a isatap client? |
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| 00:55.05 | smacnay | how unstable has sid been in recent months? Any major glitches? |
| 00:55.07 | Akuw | yeah and very small |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | Akuw: move your dudes to the left in the dia window .. and zoom to 100% |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | smacnay: many major transitions .. stuff broken left and right .. |
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| 00:55.40 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, mkfs.vfat doesn't exist here, i may need some extra package, but what? |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | ok .. maybe not so much stuff broken .. but yes transitions |
| 00:55.45 | xzero | >hey guys.. have a bit of a problem with a bridged connection. The system has two nics and the connections are bridged fine, but whenever the PC on the NIC that's connected by a crossover reboots, the bridge is lost on the linux machine and the only way to fix it is to bring the other bridged nic down and up again. Any suggestions? |
| 00:55.47 | abrotman | !tell SamuraiDio about search |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | !find mkfs.vfat etch |
| 00:55.59 | Akuw | is the same |
| 00:56.04 | Akuw | no changes |
| 00:56.10 | heroxbd | Samonoske, dosfstools |
| 00:56.10 | abrotman | Akuw: you moved them to the left ? |
| 00:56.15 | Akuw | yeah |
| 00:56.18 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i already search the internet but couldn't find anything until now |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: you did it wrong |
| 00:56.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 00:56.49 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks for the info |
| 00:56.58 | abrotman | !dda |
| 00:56.58 | dpkg | debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
| 00:57.05 | Samonoske | heroxbd what? |
| 00:57.18 | Samonoske | Wrong tab key i think? |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | yes wrong tab |
| 00:57.30 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, its dosfstools : thanks |
| 00:57.34 | SamuraiDio | :) |
| 00:58.01 | heroxbd | Samonoske, I'm sorry. I meant to speak to SamuraiDio . |
| 00:58.37 | SamuraiDio | heroxbd, hehe, dpkg already told me |
| 00:58.38 | Samonoske | lol heroxbd no probs man. |
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| 00:59.17 | heroxbd | Samonoske, Ah? Is there a good kit knows as "probs"? |
| 00:59.33 | Samonoske | heroxbd, problems* |
| 00:59.35 | Akuw | damm, i know what is the problem |
| 00:59.46 | BubbaT | Configuring my monitor has gone half well. Configuring itself went OK, but I get firestarter log messages scrolling all over the screen making it hard to see what I am doing. How can I kill the logs? |
| 00:59.57 | heroxbd | Samonoske, O i c ;) |
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| 01:00.57 | noisesmith | BubbaT: does switching to a different vt avoid the message spam? |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | it won't |
| 01:01.27 | BubbaT | noisesmith, it doesn't. |
| 01:01.56 | BubbaT | The simplest thing would be to configure from X, but is that OK? |
| 01:02.39 | Akuw | thanks abrot |
| 01:03.07 | abrotman | Akuw: got it ? |
| 01:03.11 | n3kl | Ahoy. I just finished firefly, freaking cool. What other neat sifi shows should I know about? |
| 01:03.16 | noisesmith | BubbaT: you can change xorg.conf while in X, sure, you can even have x sessions using different config files in parellel |
| 01:03.20 | abrotman | n3kl: wrong channel |
| 01:03.21 | Akuw | abrotman: actually i want to know all about NFS and how to configure a server with the best security, what i need to read? |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | Akuw: start at tldp.org and read the nfs howtos |
| 01:04.07 | Akuw | the problem with dia was: if you for some reason hace a for example one point away the main images, when you export the image it takes all images |
| 01:04.17 | abrotman | yes .. |
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| 01:05.00 | braydon | i'm getting this error popup Error - artsmessage Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting ... any idea where this comes from? |
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| 01:06.51 | noisesmith | braydon: it is from artsd, the kde sound server |
| 01:07.07 | braydon | ah, thanks |
| 01:07.12 | susanne-- | is there an rsync client somewhere that will show the progress of a transfer overall? rsync -v --progress shows only per-file, and file count, but not a reasonable progress meter imo. |
| 01:07.13 | noisesmith | braydon: it could be a frozen app using audio, or your machien being too slow for all the apps using audio |
| 01:07.22 | noisesmith | *machine |
| 01:07.59 | noisesmith | susanne--: the other day I saw a generic "progress meter" front end for the command line, let me see if I can find it again |
| 01:08.00 | braydon | noisesmith, it doest seem to effect anything just the popup |
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| 01:11.33 | susanne-- | my problem really is that the file count is updated as the files transfer, so for example, mine just jumped from 3118/4374 to 2925/4374. i understand why this happened, but it doesn't give me a useful read on how many files are left to actually transfer, as opposed to left to check. |
| 01:11.49 | heroxbd | Wowwww.... I have succeed! setting up isatap client is merely "ip t add is<N> mode sit local <my v4 addr> remote <server v4 addr>"! |
| 01:12.18 | heroxbd | Cuz, isatap is implemented using sit module. |
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| 01:16.10 | noisesmith | susanne--: I think the program you want is bar (http://clpbar.sourceforge.net/) |
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| 01:16.38 | humbolto | where to get "rinse" for xen-tools? |
| 01:16.39 | noisesmith | susanne--: it was designed for monitoring the progress of many gigs of data on a network pipe |
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| 01:24.25 | Phil4 | does anyone else have the issue with spamassassin that it flags messages as having no subject even when they do? |
| 01:24.51 | Phil4 | if so, is there a fix? |
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| 01:26.07 | abrotman | there is a #spamassassin .. but i've never been there |
| 01:26.13 | venger | i haven't at least from 3.2.3-1 and prior |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | i've never seen that issue with SA |
| 01:27.13 | Phil4 | * 1.3 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header |
| 01:27.17 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1084 |
| 01:27.27 | Phil4 | that is spam but it appears in legit mails too |
| 01:27.38 | Phil4 | and it's pushing one legit mail from a forum over the limit |
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| 01:31.54 | BubbaT | Is there a password management program that runs in linux that has a database that is accessible by a similar program on Windows? |
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| 01:32.23 | n3kl | BubbaT: what window manager are you using? |
| 01:32.30 | BubbaT | kde |
| 01:32.39 | BubbaT | actually kwin |
| 01:32.55 | n3kl | BubbaT: sure, kde has one |
| 01:33.27 | BubbaT | ? |
| 01:33.47 | BubbaT | What's it called, and what's Windows version called? |
| 01:34.13 | n3kl | http://www.google.com/search?q=kde+password+manager&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
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| 01:35.34 | BubbaT | hates idiots who rely on google for *all* their information, almost as much as people who give half-baked answers. |
| 01:35.41 | heroxbd | Hello, my /var partition has just crashed. And the dpkg status has all gone. Can I rebuild a new "package list" to recover? |
| 01:36.01 | noisesmith | heroxbd: OUCH |
| 01:36.04 | n3kl | BubbaT: don't use kde, couldn't tell you what the name of it is |
| 01:36.16 | heroxbd | For now everything is "not installed" and I can't install any package |
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| 01:36.58 | heroxbd | noisesmith, Yes it is very painful... :( |
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| 01:38.12 | abrotman | BubbaT: one would assume that if it were a Qt app, it could also be run in windows. |
| 01:39.00 | BubbaT | abrotman, that doesn't mean that the same database can be used by both versions. |
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| 01:39.22 | abrotman | BubbaT: i'd hope so .. that'd be the idea of crossplatform |
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| 01:40.10 | abrotman | BubbaT: FWIW .. apt-cache show pwsafe .. see the bit about a win32 program |
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| 01:40.43 | BubbaT | abrotman, I tried pwsafe the databases are not compatible. |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | i can't argue with what i read! |
| 01:41.04 | n3kl | BubbaT: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:42.02 | heroxbd | I found in Bhttp://www.debuntu.org/" But then, what happens if the whole /var get corrupted? |
| 01:42.02 | heroxbd | YOU JUST GET F****D !!! |
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| 01:42.31 | abrotman | heroxbd: this is #debian |
| 01:42.47 | BubbaT | n3k1, you seem to really really want to prove Churchills edict on keeping your mouth shut. |
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| 01:43.15 | heroxbd | abrotman, I am sorry. I just want to say that "have a corrupted /var is like being F***D"... |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | heroxbd: still don't care |
| 01:43.38 | slaytanic | heroxbd: Once, at work, a girl from the operations department rm -rf'ed /var to clear some space. It was fun. |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | BubbaT: is there an entry in the BTS about the incompatibility ? |
| 01:43.51 | heroxbd | abrotman, I have to reinstall / rebootstrap my entire system.... |
| 01:43.57 | BubbaT | abrotman, BTS? |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:44.02 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | heroxbd: DROP IT |
| 01:44.32 | heroxbd | abrotman, the /var/lib/dpkg is unrecoverable... |
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| 01:45.17 | BubbaT | abrotman, it doesn't matter. Experience trumps a website. |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | BubbaT: i meant if the bug was noted .. but i don't see it |
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| 01:46.00 | abrotman | BubbaT: you know .. stating it didn't work, vs a PEBKAC |
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| 01:55.34 | n3kl | Is there a way to script an install? |
| 01:55.48 | markybob | dpkg preseed |
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| 01:56.49 | abrotman | n3kl: /msg dpkg fai .. /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 01:57.50 | Orion_X11 | How do I install the same programs from on computer to another without linking them through cable. Apt_on_cd? |
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| 01:59.59 | abrotman | Orion_X11: you want to move the packages? or just have the same packages installed? |
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| 02:00.58 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: Just to have the same packages. For example from my desktop to a laptop |
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| 02:01.09 | abrotman | !tell Orion_X11 about debian clone |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | !tell Orion_X11 about aptitude clone |
| 02:01.18 | jaggz- | I can't figure out what's playing my mp3s! |
| 02:01.24 | jaggz- | (out my speakers) |
| 02:01.47 | abrotman | good thing it's not coming out your monitor |
| 02:02.33 | jaggz- | because monitors with builtin speakers... ? |
| 02:02.49 | jaggz- | but seriously.. lsof | grep mp3 doesn't show it either |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | i meant the screen |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | i once had totem crash while playing an mp3 .. and when i restarted the machine .. it continued |
| 02:03.28 | jaggz- | heh. that's neat.. state file? |
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| 02:04.06 | noisesmith | jaggz-: try lsof +d /dev/snd |
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| 02:04.53 | shyam_k | is debpartial and debpartial-mirror the same? |
| 02:05.55 | evil64 | hi, i have two raid arrays on a 3ware card and im seeind my first array as hd0 and hd1 and my second array as hd2 which is where my Linux is installed so i modifed the device.map file and set it up to use hd2 as the root but mapped it to /dev/sdb and reinstalled grub. Now im getting error 21 tho can someone please help? |
| 02:06.00 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: thx a lot :-) |
| 02:06.06 | jaggz- | how in the world did firefox find my mp3s |
| 02:06.26 | abrotman | jaggz-: it was hardly neat |
| 02:06.44 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: What about apt_on_cd? |
| 02:06.48 | shyam_k | http://howtoforge.com/dvd_images_of_ubuntu_repositories says abot debpartial.. but debian lenny repo dont seem to have that package |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | Orion_X11: i'm not quite sure what you mean |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | Orion_X11: i know of apt-zip if that helps |
| 02:07.31 | shyam_k | or is it an ubuntu specific(??) package? |
| 02:07.48 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: can I clone using apt_on_cd also? |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | shyam_k: ask #ubuntu ? |
| 02:07.55 | shyam_k | ok |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | Orion_X11: no idea .. never used it |
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| 02:22.20 | shyam_k | abrotman: it seems ubuntu too dont have debpartial http://howtoforge.com/dvd_images_of_ubuntu_repositories the howto to make dvds of deb repos described here uses debpartial now what can i use instead? |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | jigdo ? |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | i have no idea how to make images of ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 02:23.24 | shyam_k | ok.. no worries its more about the deb system than distros right? |
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| 02:23.59 | meff | wrong heh |
| 02:24.09 | shyam_k | actually i want to make the dvds out of gnewsense repo:) |
| 02:24.36 | meff | ubuntu and debian have very different archive layouts iirc |
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| 02:24.49 | shyam_k | ok ill check it.. no problem... thanks.. |
| 02:25.15 | kgod | Not sure who I was talking to about it the other day, but dd-wrt and bridged wireless routing. |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | shyam_k: hi, this is #debian ... ask whatever channel is for your distro .. this isn't a general support channel |
| 02:25.19 | kgod | FTW. |
| 02:25.24 | kgod | abrotman: How's Ohio? |
| 02:25.28 | meff | lol |
| 02:25.41 | shyam_k | ok ok sorry:( |
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| 02:25.51 | abrotman | kgod: warm today i'm guessing |
| 02:27.10 | kgod | Now to get Debian properly installed from Kubuntu. |
| 02:27.25 | kgod | Stupid question: how do I tell amd64 from IA64? |
| 02:27.34 | lkthomas_ | guys, currently I am using www-data user and I want to run a command on vmail user, how should I config my sudoer ? |
| 02:27.51 | kgod | CPU is Intel core2 duo |
| 02:28.00 | kgod | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz |
| 02:28.06 | abrotman | kgod: ? |
| 02:28.16 | kgod | abrotman: It's karsten here. |
| 02:28.17 | abrotman | hits karsten |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | kgod: i know .. i can read |
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| 02:28.26 | kgod | abrotman: Yeah, I love you too. |
| 02:28.40 | abrotman | kgod: oh .. you really want to know |
| 02:28.48 | kgod | abrotman: Yes, I really want to know. |
| 02:28.50 | abrotman | kgod: that's amd64 |
| 02:28.53 | kgod | OK. |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | kgod: i'd imagine Itanium says something wacky |
| 02:29.19 | kgod | abrotman: That's what I thought. IA64 is pretty much dead, it's just itanium, right? |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | kgod: same thing .. not dead .. but usually only used in scientific arenas |
| 02:30.10 | kgod | abrotman: As I was saying ;-) |
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| 02:30.32 | abrotman | apparently popular for clusters that have a large budget :) |
| 02:31.09 | kgod | abrotman: Not where I'm at. |
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| 02:31.44 | abrotman | kgod: you don't have a large budget :) |
| 02:31.59 | kgod | abrotman: QED |
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| 02:32.54 | abrotman | http://www.top500.org/list/2007/11/100 |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | or used to be anywas |
| 02:33.21 | Miesco | I got a question, when you reply to an e-mail, do you put your repose on the top or the bottom of the message? |
| 02:33.29 | Miesco | response* |
| 02:33.41 | abrotman | kgod: http://www.top500.org/stats/list/30/procfam |
| 02:33.54 | noisesmith | Miesco: old-school prefers bottom, newer users generally do top, target your audience :) |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | follow the rest of the thread ? |
| 02:34.55 | Miesco | noisesmith: Okay thanks, mutt I guess is old school, now if im following the rest of the thread is there a way to make mutt put your signature at the top of the reply? |
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| 02:35.21 | noisesmith | Miesco: sig at top of reply? |
| 02:35.27 | Miesco | noisesmith: Yes |
| 02:35.37 | noisesmith | why at the top? |
| 02:35.45 | kgod | abrotman: Two notes of interest: amd64 has a small share, and the nomenlcature is linux-specific. |
| 02:36.00 | abrotman | kgod: em64t is amd64 |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | i assume they're differentiating between amd and intel branded CPUs .. but really it's the same family |
| 02:37.04 | Miesco | noisesmith: Cause the rest of the thread is responding to the top of the thread |
| 02:38.13 | noisesmith | Miesco: then do what they are doing? a sig should always go on the bottom of your reply, and reversing everyone else's quoting convention is just annoying, just reply on the same side of what you are quoting as everyone else |
| 02:38.21 | kgod | abrotman: kubuntu isn't a half-bad Debian installer. |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | kgod: /msg dpkg ot |
| 02:38.53 | kgod | abrotman: I'm not registered, dpkg ignores me. |
| 02:39.00 | Miesco | noisesmith: Put my signature at the bottom of the whole thread and write my message at the top of the thread? |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | !tell kgod about ot |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | runs |
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| 02:39.13 | kgod | abrotman: ... and it's debian-specific ;-) |
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| 02:39.47 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 02:40.26 | robboplus | would you happen to know a way of making wget (or else) download first n bytes/kilobytes of a given file? |
| 02:40.52 | robboplus | i have a long list and i need it to just grab first 500KB of each |
| 02:40.53 | kgod | robboplus: You could stream to stdout and trim using dd, cut, or some other utility. |
| 02:41.07 | robboplus | kgod i mean i don't want them to get leeched completely |
| 02:41.09 | kgod | robboplus: RTFM for specifics. |
| 02:41.10 | robboplus | they are too big |
| 02:41.13 | Tramp | kgod: Nickname: dpkg << ONLINE >> ... Nickname Options: Secure, UnFiltered,... - so dpkg should not ignore you |
| 02:41.15 | kgod | robboplus: I understand. |
| 02:41.37 | kgod | Tramp: Point. It's not. |
| 02:41.45 | robboplus | kgod and you still advice me to use dd/cut? |
| 02:41.50 | robboplus | i don't follow that |
| 02:42.04 | robboplus | or hm... |
| 02:42.10 | robboplus | some light... |
| 02:42.23 | kgod | robboplus: for file in <list>; do wget <options to stream to stdout> | dd if=/dev/stdin of=<some file> bs=<filesize> count=1 |
| 02:42.28 | kgod | robboplus: ... ; done |
| 02:42.32 | shyam_k | abrotman: thanks it seems jigdo is what i want:) |
| 02:42.35 | kgod | robboplus: In general. |
| 02:42.42 | robboplus | kgod damn that's incredible trick |
| 02:42.48 | kgod | robboplus: ;-) |
| 02:42.50 | pkcahier | arg |
| 02:42.53 | kgod | robboplus: There's reasons I love shell. |
| 02:43.04 | robboplus | i love it myself but i never tried such thing |
| 02:43.06 | pkcahier | vsftpd's mysql support is horrible, it's only libpam... cant define the home directory in the sql table |
| 02:43.17 | robboplus | pkcahier hm |
| 02:43.27 | robboplus | pkcahier it's not horrible because of that |
| 02:43.28 | kgod | robboplus: I don't see a stdout option for wget, but '-O /dev/stdout' may work. |
| 02:43.36 | Miesco | noisesmith: mutt puts my signature at the bottom of the whole message, like: <message> thanks </n> >Hey Miesco, your so sexy Regards, Cindy </n> Regards, Miesco </message> You see the problem now? |
| 02:43.44 | robboplus | kgod hm... |
| 02:43.49 | pkcahier | robboplus: exept that I currently manage my users through the sql db completly |
| 02:43.54 | robboplus | kgod i will check with curl also |
| 02:43.56 | pkcahier | so it's proving to be hell now |
| 02:44.00 | robboplus | pkcahier i do as well |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | kgod: -O - ? |
| 02:44.08 | kgod | robboplus: curl may be better suited. It *does* default to stdout. |
| 02:44.23 | noisesmith | Miesco: oh, I see... well the quotation characters will help with that, but otherwise you could just turn the sig off? |
| 02:44.26 | kgod | !win abrotman |
| 02:44.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 02:44.27 | robboplus | kgod can't wait to try it... brb |
| 02:44.27 | kgod | abrotman: yep. |
| 02:44.30 | pkcahier | how am I supposed to get use an sql column for home then? |
| 02:44.40 | robboplus | dpkg botsnack for that one.. |
| 02:44.40 | dpkg | :), robboplus |
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| 02:45.20 | kgod | OK, 'nother question. My system doesn't currently boot w/o having an install disk installed, the GRUB prompt is never displayed (just get a "no boot disk" message). |
| 02:45.20 | robboplus | pkcahier what about custom config for every user? |
| 02:45.24 | robboplus | pkcahier tried that? |
| 02:45.26 | kgod | checks for bootable flag on partitions... |
| 02:45.39 | Miesco | noisesmith: But I want my signature to be automatic, im wondering if mutt will put it below my response and above the thread |
| 02:45.43 | pkcahier | robboplus, custom config for every user? using sql in vsftpd? |
| 02:45.51 | pkcahier | I have ready queries to put in the config if it can take that |
| 02:45.59 | robboplus | pkcahier you set such stuff tru conf, not via mysql which is only for auth.. if you need more goodies you just write a conf for particular user and place it in the right path |
| 02:46.17 | robboplus | pkcahier it's all explained in some howto, i was going tru that before |
| 02:46.19 | pkcahier | that's where it's very wrong. |
| 02:46.24 | robboplus | no |
| 02:46.26 | pkcahier | I want to use mysql for all of the config. |
| 02:46.29 | robboplus | there are TONS of opitions |
| 02:46.33 | robboplus | options* |
| 02:46.36 | pkcahier | I dont want to start splitting things in a gazillion places |
| 02:46.46 | robboplus | it's not a gazillion |
| 02:46.48 | pkcahier | I'm returning to pure-ftpd, at least it had a real sql module. |
| 02:46.57 | robboplus | i dare to disagree |
| 02:47.00 | robboplus | you just don't get it. |
| 02:47.11 | robboplus | auth is one level and per-user setup is another level |
| 02:47.18 | robboplus | i find vsftpd's solution way better |
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| 02:47.37 | pkcahier | well even so, it should still allow to get user's info from the sql |
| 02:47.40 | pkcahier | and not from a dirty disk config. |
| 02:47.50 | robboplus | how about security reasons? |
| 02:47.58 | pkcahier | Security? |
| 02:48.03 | robboplus | ... |
| 02:48.04 | pkcahier | I dont see how that is a security concern. |
| 02:48.18 | robboplus | vsftpd is very secure ftpd |
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| 02:48.36 | pkcahier | Right, saying it doesnt make it much better than pureftpd. |
| 02:48.50 | robboplus | so just stick to what you prefer |
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| 02:49.12 | robboplus | but don't make opinions that something is stupid or such just because YOU don't like it or don't understand it... |
| 02:49.17 | devicenull | so, I have a system running, I believe it's etch.. I'd like to wipe it and start over, but it doesn't have a floppy or cd drive.. I know netboot is an option but is there a way to do it from an already running system? |
| 02:49.24 | robboplus | that's where i can't agree with you |
| 02:49.42 | pkcahier | I didnt mean to say it was stupid, only that it couldnt what I need. |
| 02:49.52 | devicenull | or, is there a way to uninstall all the packages except the base system? |
| 02:50.22 | robboplus | that's where you have another solution.. for me vsftpd is essential.. i won't swap it and i have NO problem setting up a conf per user |
| 02:50.33 | robboplus | and i can tweak WAY more there than with pureftpd |
| 02:51.01 | robboplus | anyway... back to wget |
| 02:51.04 | Akuw | dam |
| 02:51.22 | Akuw | i continue having problems with dia |
| 02:52.04 | devicenull | hmm, it seems that I can install through a USB drive, which would work |
| 02:52.25 | Akuw | is the any other application to create UML diagrams ? |
| 02:52.43 | pkcahier | [04:50:22] <robboplus> that's where you have another solution.. for me vsftpd is essential.. i won't swap it and i have NO problem setting up a conf per user => Again, I will not split my per-user-configuration and want it all in sql, so no, it does not fit my needs. |
| 02:52.48 | kgod | Akuw: What's that Visio clone? Via. It more-or-less sucks. |
| 02:52.49 | pkcahier | unless I missed an option that allows to do so |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | kgod: you mean Dia ? |
| 02:52.58 | kgod | Akuw: dia. Yeah, you know that. |
| 02:53.04 | kgod | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 02:53.08 | Akuw | i am using dia |
| 02:53.17 | Akuw | but have problems exporting |
| 02:53.24 | kgod | Akuw: Sorry, best I know. |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | exporting to what? |
| 02:53.26 | Akuw | in the past i used and no problems |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | have you started viewing it in DIa at 100% ? |
| 02:53.36 | Akuw | jpg |
| 02:54.53 | devicenull | ooh, usb memory stick |
| 02:54.56 | devicenull | that looks promising |
| 02:54.57 | Akuw | i created http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_12.png |
| 02:55.35 | pkcahier | so... how does one debug libpam-mysql? |
| 02:55.44 | pkcahier | It's refusing my logins and I do not know why. |
| 02:55.52 | kgod | Is there a way to associate flash sticks, cameras, etc., with specific mountpoints? |
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| 02:56.06 | Akuw | avery time i export that file i get this http://picpaste.com/admin_articulos.jpeg |
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| 02:56.48 | abrotman | Akuw: in Dia, your scroll bars are at the far right, which might have osmething to do with it |
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| 02:58.20 | benjamindees | kgod, you could set partition labels on them |
| 02:58.47 | pkcahier | robboplus: since you seem to know vsftpd and pam-mysql, why does it complain SELECT Crypt FROM ftpd WHERE User = 'DeathWolf' returns no resutl, when I just tried it in the db and it works fine |
| 02:59.23 | yetifoot | hi, i just installed the kernel modules gspca for a webcam, lsusb shows the device, i did modprobe gspca, but i still get "unable to open '/dev/video0': No such file or directory", anyone have any clues |
| 02:59.24 | kgod | ... and what happened to the US/Pacific timezone? |
| 02:59.28 | kgod | benjamindees: Hrm. |
| 02:59.32 | kgod | benjamindees: How? |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | slid into the ocean |
| 03:00.26 | benjamindees | kgod, I think this is still the way it's done: http://lissot.net/partition/ext2fs/labels.html |
| 03:00.39 | pkcahier | http://pastebin.ca/1010040 someone tell me what is going wrong there. |
| 03:00.57 | pkcahier | (I tried the select, and it returns 1 row if I run it from mysql) |
| 03:01.20 | Miesco | How do you make vim add a signature at the cursor? |
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| 03:02.21 | kgod | benjamindees: Most of these are vfat devices. |
| 03:02.25 | kgod | benjamindees: Just FYi. |
| 03:02.30 | kgod | benjamindees: ... but I'll look at that. |
| 03:03.26 | benjamindees | kgod, 'mkfs.vfat -n volumeName' perhaps |
| 03:03.34 | kgod | benjamindees: Hrm. |
| 03:03.44 | kgod | needs a hostname |
| 03:04.59 | devicenull | hey I'm reading the USB manual ( http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html ) .. and it says "copy the following files from the Debian archives to the stick: ".. where exactly would I get those filse? |
| 03:05.35 | devicenull | I found some of them, but vmlinuz is missing.. |
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| 03:06.53 | benjamindees | you're really installing sarge? |
| 03:07.20 | devicenull | the docs for sarge/etch are the same.. thats just the one I had been linked to |
| 03:07.23 | kgod | devicenull: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s02.html.en#where-files |
| 03:07.26 | BubbaT | If I mount an iso image, can I write to it? |
| 03:07.49 | benjamindees | BubbaT, no |
| 03:07.51 | kgod | devicenull: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/hd-media/ |
| 03:07.55 | devicenull | ahh |
| 03:07.59 | kgod | devicenull: Would be my guess. |
| 03:08.01 | devicenull | I was looking in the netboot dierctory there |
| 03:08.01 | benjamindees | yeah that /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/20050317sarge2/images/hd-media |
| 03:08.11 | kgod | BubbaT: No, iso9660 is not a writeable format. |
| 03:08.46 | BubbaT | Hmm. How is an iso ioamge created. |
| 03:08.51 | kgod | BubbaT: You have to copy the files to a new location, change what you're going to change, and run mkisofs from there. |
| 03:09.04 | kgod | BubbaT: ... that's transparently handled in a lot of GUI ISO tools (eg: k3b). |
| 03:09.30 | pkcahier | sigh, and of course debian's pam-mysql is 'non-crypt()ish MD5 hash is not supported in this build.' |
| 03:09.32 | pkcahier | hits his head on the wall |
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| 03:09.55 | kgod | comforts the wall. |
| 03:09.58 | kgod | !comfort the wall |
| 03:09.59 | dpkg | There, there, the wall. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 03:10.52 | pkcahier | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373834 obviously the maintainer for pam-mysql has suicidal tendencies too |
| 03:11.11 | Akuw | abrotman: look http://picpaste.com/dia.png |
| 03:11.33 | Akuw | now is ok, but when i export, this cut some of the borders |
| 03:11.33 | kgod | pkcahier: You may wish to file a bug or otherwise contact the maintainer. I'd check to see if the issue's been raised. |
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| 03:13.30 | xuser | Where do I set which fonts should applications use? |
| 03:13.38 | pkcahier | kgod, as show in that last url I pasted, it was raised |
| 03:13.42 | pkcahier | in... 2006 |
| 03:13.49 | benjamindees | xuser, it depends on the application |
| 03:13.54 | kgod | pkcahier: Yeah, saw that. No response. Raise it again. |
| 03:14.09 | kgod | pkcahier: In general: if you've got a valid gripe, raise it, but check for history first. |
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| 03:14.43 | benjamindees | !defoma |
| 03:14.43 | dpkg | i heard defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 03:14.45 | xuser | benjamindees: so you configure the application to use a certain font? |
| 03:14.58 | pkcahier | and of course while rebuilding it to see if it works fine... I hit http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/419793 |
| 03:15.03 | pkcahier | thinks he's really having a bad day |
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| 03:15.33 | benjamindees | xuser, man defoma |
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| 03:16.25 | Miesco | Is it possible to have evolution check my mail that is in /var/mail/shawn? |
| 03:16.31 | Miesco | Like mutt does |
| 03:16.57 | Miesco | Wait I did it! |
| 03:17.29 | xuser | benjamindees: kk |
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| 03:20.48 | magyar | hi, looking for ms-sys command, would anyone know which package contains the file? |
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| 03:21.25 | kgod | !tell magyar about search |
| 03:21.31 | pkcahier | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474905 can anyone explain to me what the heck happened there? |
| 03:21.55 | pkcahier | I'm havig the same issue as there, but if I read well the one that closed the bug is the same as the one that opened it... and he does not explain why it worked... |
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| 03:24.21 | pkcahier | just fixes the debian/rules file then |
| 03:24.37 | magyar | is there a reason why lenny doesnt carry ms-sys and how can one get it? |
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| 03:24.52 | Nyle | enouf, ping |
| 03:25.32 | nevyn | magyar: ms-sys? |
| 03:25.52 | \amethyst | magyar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=470678 |
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| 03:26.10 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 03:26.42 | \amethyst | magyar: the Microsoft MBRs are non-free |
| 03:27.10 | \amethyst | I'm not sure why it's still in etch |
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| 03:27.39 | acehigh | ............. |
| 03:28.08 | devicenull | wow |
| 03:28.17 | devicenull | USB drive installation is dead simple |
| 03:28.22 | acehigh | think he was channel surfing maybe? |
| 03:28.28 | devicenull | makes me wonder why I would ever want to use a cd |
| 03:28.43 | acehigh | devicenull, yea makes for easy installs on laptops |
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| 03:29.26 | devicenull | yea, I'm using it on my "server" which doesnt have a cd or floppy drive.. though I wonder if it will work on my old laptop |
| 03:29.34 | magyar | \amethyst: two words, fuck microsoft |
| 03:30.20 | \amethyst | magyar: right, so Debian stopped redistributing their code |
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| 03:30.37 | magyar | wants all to note that the above proceedure shouldnt be performed with his shiny knob |
| 03:30.57 | acehigh | devicenull, any of the version can be loaded that way all the way back to 1.0 |
| 03:31.11 | devicenull | no, I mean I wonder if the laptop can boot off a usb drive :p |
| 03:31.19 | magyar | \amethyst: and thats the way it sould be |
| 03:31.21 | clrscrn | I'll jump right to it. I have a SATA and an ATA disk installed in my PC. They are both master but the sata disk is the primary boot device. Vista is installed on the sata disk, and I have just finished installing debian on the ata disk a couple of minutes ago. I'm afraid that the debian installer has installed GRUB onto the ATA disk rather than the SATA disk, because it is booting into the vista bootloader rather than GRUB (which will |
| 03:31.21 | acehigh | oh |
| 03:31.48 | robboplus | that spytorex... descr: TT ADSL-NEC dynamic_gay |
| 03:31.50 | robboplus | lol |
| 03:31.51 | clrscrn | Is there any way I can manually set where GRUB should be installed ? |
| 03:32.06 | kgod | clrscrn: man grub-install |
| 03:32.08 | kgod | clrscrn: Yes. |
| 03:32.11 | acehigh | clrscrn, boot a live cd and load lilo or grub |
| 03:32.26 | clrscrn | I am using the debian win32 loader |
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| 03:33.06 | clrscrn | it gives me no option to open a recovery console and provides no advanced options at the grub/lilo steps |
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| 03:33.45 | acehigh | you have to load grub manually and a loader cd i do not beleive will do that |
| 03:33.52 | acehigh | only live cd's |
| 03:33.57 | acehigh | I might be wrong though |
| 03:34.07 | clrscrn | mmmm I might have one lying around here |
| 03:34.29 | clrscrn | laying, whatever |
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| 03:35.00 | acehigh | clrscrn, if you dont care which loader ya have boot a live cd and type lilo -M /dev/(device i.e.sda) |
| 03:35.15 | clrscrn | what about grub? |
| 03:35.25 | acehigh | dont know that one off top my head |
| 03:35.40 | clrscrn | I guess lilo will have to do, be right back, hopefully from debian |
| 03:35.43 | acehigh | im a old school geek stuck in his ways :P |
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| 03:36.28 | justnuts | vmware server |
| 03:36.40 | justnuts | i was tempted to use NFS over TCP and limits its bandwidth pre connection ... i laugth at my ideas sometimes ..plausible? |
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| 03:37.19 | justnuts | ops ...didnt realise i cant paste |
| 03:37.32 | justnuts | apologies |
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| 03:41.14 | robboplus | dd: opening `/dev/stdin': No such file or directory |
| 03:41.15 | robboplus | uh? |
| 03:41.22 | robboplus | it was working just a sec ago... |
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| 03:42.43 | kgod | robboplus: dd may not be happy writing to a file descriptor. |
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| 03:44.56 | Ainu | does anyone know how to keep the display from timing out, im not sure what its called, it times out after 10 min or so with a large X on the screen, ive set noblank with xset as well as standby/suspend/off all being set to zero in DPMS |
| 03:45.14 | Ainu | i would like to watch movies and stuff without it timing out, maybe its a screensave setting, but i have screensaver disabled in kde |
| 03:45.20 | Ainu | is it somewhere else in xorg? |
| 03:47.14 | Ainu | ill try the noexpose setting and see if that helps |
| 03:47.17 | Ainu | if not ill be back :D |
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| 03:47.39 | BubbaT | Anyone actually make the DevianLive CD? Can you make it in a FAT32 partition? |
| 03:48.51 | robboplus | hm kgod... dd of="test_512KB" bs=524288 count=1 |
| 03:49.07 | robboplus | that seems to work only that it wrote down ~15KB, not 512KB.. why? |
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| 03:52.00 | robboplus | err i think i got it |
| 03:52.33 | robboplus | YES |
| 03:52.34 | robboplus | 524288 bytes (524 kB) copied, 0.116438 seconds, 4.5 MB/s |
| 03:52.50 | robboplus | thanks so much again kgod |
| 03:53.44 | kgod | Trying to more-or-less clone one system to another. How would I get all explicitly installed packages? 'dpkg --get-selections' shows installed/uninstalled, but not whether or not install was explicit or dependency-based. |
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| 03:55.00 | simonrvn | that's aptitude stuff |
| 03:55.17 | meff | i dont think apt-get tracks explicit installs |
| 03:55.21 | meff | aptitude does |
| 03:55.26 | simonrvn | dpkg doesn't keep track of that kind of metadata |
| 03:55.26 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, simonrvn |
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| 03:55.41 | simonrvn | proof ^^^ :P |
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| 03:56.40 | kgod | meff: Yeah, it's an aptitude thing. |
| 03:56.48 | kgod | simonrvn: QED :) |
| 03:56.57 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:57.52 | kgod | xorg: what's recommended for: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:58.10 | clrscrn | so I just booted up a live-cd, trying to install lilo onto /dev/sda, but it kept spitting back "read only filesystem" errors :/ |
| 03:58.11 | simonrvn | that inhel driver i810? |
| 03:58.15 | kgod | Yeah |
| 03:58.27 | simonrvn | sumpmn' anyway |
| 03:58.28 | kgod | I think. Intel integrated onboard graphics |
| 03:59.19 | clrscrn | any idea acehigh? |
| 03:59.23 | meff | why lilo? heh |
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| 03:59.39 | kgod | clrscrn: Running as root? |
| 03:59.42 | clrscrn | yup |
| 03:59.56 | kgod | clrscrn: Is your filesystem read-only? Check /proc/mounts, *not* /etc/mtab |
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| 04:07.03 | devicenull | hey, is there any reason why mythtv isn't a package? |
| 04:07.58 | craigevil | devicenull: there is on debian-multimedia |
| 04:08.55 | devicenull | ah |
| 04:10.13 | craigevil | apt-cache policy mythtv > Candidate: 0.21-0.13 |
| 04:10.54 | devicenull | I had forgotten about that |
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| 04:17.09 | drs | i need a bit of help.. ive copied a file from one directory to another and it overwrote the file that was there already, now my system wont boot.. is there any way i can use the debian cd to mount my partitions and attempt to fix it? |
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| 04:17.39 | noisesmith | drs yes, if you know what should be in the file, definitely\ |
| 04:17.52 | drs | yes i have backed it up |
| 04:18.02 | drs | uhmm is there a tutorial you can point me to |
| 04:18.18 | keila | hey all...testing out ext4 and particularly its defrag tool, but no matter what i keep getting "get fileinfo fail inappropriate ioctl" ...any thoughts on how to fix that? |
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| 04:18.21 | drs | or something that will be able to help me a bit |
| 04:18.54 | noisesmith | drs: the live cd should mount your linux disks, or at least make that straightforward |
| 04:18.56 | ericrw | does the Lenny installer finally support raid10 ? |
| 04:19.14 | noisesmith | drs: if you remember the name of the disk you want to mount, the mount command is very easy to use |
| 04:19.40 | noisesmith | drs: by the name of the disk I mean /dev/hda1 or /dev/sdb3 or whatever |
| 04:19.46 | drs | noisesmith, i dont have the live cd.. only the debian installation cd. i can download it but i dont currently have an active cd burner :/ |
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| 04:20.43 | noisesmith | drs: if you are comfortable on the command line you can boot the install cd and manually mount and edit the file, there are lots of tutorials on using mount, cd, cp online |
| 04:21.23 | drs | ok do i need to hit F4 and go to rescue mode? |
| 04:21.35 | noisesmith | drs: yeah you want rescue mode |
| 04:21.40 | drs | ok thanks |
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| 04:27.59 | drs | noisesmith, sorry to bother ya again... wont mount anything says it cant find it in /etc/fstab.. would i have to create the file for the time being and add mount options? |
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| 04:28.31 | dondelelcaro | drs: it'll mount stuff that isn't there; you just need to specify the device and the mountpoint. |
| 04:28.46 | noisesmith | drs: look at man mount. you need to specify the device and the mount point |
| 04:29.17 | noisesmith | jynx |
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| 04:30.42 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, hows it goin |
| 04:31.33 | dondelelcaro | acehigh: good, just busy. |
| 04:31.46 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, know that feeling :) |
| 04:31.56 | acehigh | good luck with what ever your doing |
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| 04:33.32 | dondelelcaro | acehigh: thanks; pretty much just working on finishing up my dissertation |
| 04:34.07 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: is it like 700 pages long? :) |
| 04:34.41 | acehigh | dondelelcaro, those suck |
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| 04:37.08 | drs | ok its just not dectecting my hard drive |
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| 04:37.58 | legis | Hi, how can I make applications, (eg: iceweasel) use better fonts? I didn't install a desktop enviroment so fonts look ugly. |
| 04:38.01 | noisesmith | drs what command are you using? and what is the result? |
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| 04:38.19 | legis | I installed the bitstream fonts pkg but applications didn't pick it. |
| 04:38.55 | drs | noisesmith, ive tried mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 / || mount /dev/hda2 / || neither work says no such device |
| 04:39.13 | drs | but that is my hard drive and root is hda2 |
| 04:39.28 | noisesmith | drs: you don't probably want to mount it on / |
| 04:39.42 | drs | yea ive tried temp |
| 04:39.47 | drs | ive tried all sorts |
| 04:39.58 | noisesmith | drs: echo /dev/hda* |
| 04:40.26 | noisesmith | drs: or, better yet echo /dev/hd* /dev/sd* |
| 04:40.57 | Caelum | legis: install msttcorefonts |
| 04:41.53 | drs | noisesmith, nothing it just prints /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* |
| 04:42.00 | legis | Caelum: I'm using fluxbox, after that will applications pick up the font automatically? |
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| 04:42.51 | noisesmith | drs ok, is the drive connected properly? |
| 04:42.59 | drs | sure... when i take out the cd |
| 04:43.02 | drs | it tries to boot |
| 04:43.19 | drs | it loads up grub i select the kernel |
| 04:43.22 | drs | it loads |
| 04:43.23 | noisesmith | drs: try hwinfo | less |
| 04:43.29 | drs | kk |
| 04:43.53 | Caelum | legis: I think you have to xset fp rehash |
| 04:44.01 | drs | both not found |
| 04:44.19 | noisesmith | drs did it find anything that looked like a hard-drive? |
| 04:44.44 | drs | no it just said no found |
| 04:44.48 | drs | not* |
| 04:44.51 | acehigh | night |
| 04:45.04 | noisesmith | drs: oh, so the cd doesn't have that command |
| 04:45.20 | drs | i may have to suffer a reinstall huh |
| 04:45.42 | noisesmith | drs: I don't know, hopefuly not |
| 04:45.56 | noisesmith | anyone know how he can search for a hard drive from the install cd? |
| 04:46.55 | drs | is there a way to get a shell during an installation without going to rescue? |
| 04:47.08 | drs | i know during installation it detects disks |
| 04:47.29 | noisesmith | drs: alt+right arrow switches vts |
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| 04:47.40 | drs | ahh that may work... ok ill try it |
| 04:47.44 | noisesmith | drs: well alt+right or left switches back and forth |
| 04:47.52 | drs | ok |
| 04:48.00 | drs | brb |
| 04:48.36 | deadcat | if i am signed in with gmail account. when i search google. does it keep track of what i search? |
| 04:49.00 | Caelum | yes, I think so |
| 04:49.15 | deadcat | Caelum: thanks.. i thought so too.... |
| 04:49.21 | markybob | depends. you can set the history setting to whatever you want |
| 04:49.33 | deadcat | oh |
| 04:52.05 | deadcat | markybob: history settings in settings? i am affraid they say 1 thing but still logs everything.. |
| 04:52.30 | deadcat | but they already keep track of my emails already so i dont even know why i am complaining |
| 04:52.34 | Caelum | of course it logs everything |
| 04:52.58 | markybob | google.com/history/ allows you to "pause" history tracking |
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| 04:53.10 | Caelum | I'm surprised they're not doing more targeted ads |
| 04:53.13 | noisesmith | deadcat: just to be safe I would log out of gmail and delete all your google cookies before searching for nasty grandma on toddler jello action |
| 04:53.21 | catsup | markybob: that's when the logs are redirected to usgov |
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| 04:53.37 | markybob | catsup stop trolling |
| 04:53.40 | deadcat | noisesmith: damn. even deleting cookies? )= |
| 04:54.04 | evil64 | hi, im having trouble with grub detecting my second raid setup on an 3ware sas drive can some one help? It seems its detecting my first raid drive twice as hd0 and hd1 |
| 04:54.31 | catsup | markybob: u r |
| 04:55.08 | noisesmith | deadcat: if you are on their website, and you have their cookie, the info is available to them, if you care what they know. You could create a special user for just the stuff you don't want google to know, but really I don't know how much they even care unless you are a miscreant google employee |
| 04:55.30 | deadcat | noisesmith: ok. (= |
| 04:55.54 | deadcat | noisesmith: i thought about installing galeon or epiphany, but those packages requires too many dependencies so i gave up. |
| 04:55.54 | catsup | evil64: is it booting? |
| 04:55.57 | deadcat | hahah |
| 04:56.22 | aurehman | Hi... i m installing debian on a sata disk... but it is not booting from sata... is there any special method for sata drive? |
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| 04:56.47 | Caelum | deadcat: try links2 |
| 04:56.50 | catsup | aurehman: sometimes the device names are unstable |
| 04:56.52 | evil64 | catsup: what do u mean is it booting yeah grub is starting up but its not seeing my secondary raid which is where my windows is tat i would like to dual boot |
| 04:57.11 | maligor | aurehman, where does it fail? |
| 04:57.23 | aurehman | catsup: actually the system have SATA hard disk drive |
| 04:57.34 | aurehman | it never boots after installation.. |
| 04:57.35 | catsup | evil64: i don't mean is grub itself loading, but is grub booting the listed os |
| 04:57.40 | ericrw | does the lenny installer beta1 include a raid10 md driver? |
| 04:58.08 | deadcat | Caelum: thanks.. i guess links2 supports more stuff than dillo |
| 04:58.10 | ericrw | nevermind- found the changelong |
| 04:58.13 | ericrw | *log |
| 04:58.17 | catsup | aurehman: the problem may be the device names changing |
| 04:58.18 | evil64 | catsup: yeah its booting the os only on hd0 which is my first raid1 but on my raid0 which should show up as hd1 or hd2 its not seeng |
| 04:58.23 | catsup | aurehman: what media are you installing from? |
| 04:58.34 | aurehman | i am installing from cd |
| 04:58.35 | Caelum | huh weird, links2 doesn't start for me |
| 04:59.10 | catsup | evil64: what is your disk/raid setup exactly? |
| 04:59.46 | evil64 | catsup: its an 3ware 9690 with boot drive being radi1 and secondary being raid0 |
| 05:00.08 | catsup | a hardware raid controller? |
| 05:00.30 | evil64 | catsup: when i load up the a grub boot disk ( supergrub ) i see my raid1 partitions showing up under hd0 and hd1 and my raid0 showing up under hd2 which is very weird |
| 05:00.37 | evil64 | catsup: yes hardware |
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| 05:00.44 | Caelum | holy shit, links2 is awesome :) |
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| 05:00.55 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 05:01.02 | vraa | hey guys, i think i've got a pretty noob question. how do i use my usb stick? |
| 05:01.04 | catsup | are you sure it's not fake raid? |
| 05:01.14 | deadcat | vraa: stick it in.. |
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| 05:01.16 | evil64 | catsup: positive |
| 05:01.19 | drs | noisesmith, ive got it.. thank you for the help. it was very appreciated |
| 05:01.24 | vraa | oh, i installed only debian minimal |
| 05:01.30 | noisesmith | drs: np |
| 05:01.32 | drs | very much* even |
| 05:01.35 | drs | ;) |
| 05:01.42 | vraa | so yeah, i stuck it in, but i'm kinda lost as to how i use it, what xterm commands do i do |
| 05:01.45 | Caelum | vraa: mount /dev/sdasomething-or-other |
| 05:02.04 | vraa | also, how do i copy paste from xterm and kinda make it a little more user friendly? i did apt-get install xorg xdm fluxbox |
| 05:02.09 | deadcat | vraa: dmesg see if you get sda or something like that. |
| 05:02.10 | vraa | how do i know which sda it is? |
| 05:02.16 | noisesmith | vraa: it will usually be /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 05:02.18 | catsup | evil64: erm, what do you mean you see them showing up? |
| 05:02.26 | deadcat | vraa: you just hilight and its copied. |
| 05:02.32 | noisesmith | vraa: if it fails, that was the wrong one :) |
| 05:02.36 | deadcat | vraa: paste is middle mouse button |
| 05:02.41 | evil64 | catsup: i boot the supergrub cd then i go into console mode |
| 05:02.55 | bonii | Hello, I got a problem on my laptop running Debian lenny, when I log in the gdmlogin screen appears, when I key in my password and username, it comes back to the login screen again and the second time I key in the username and password it logs me in, this problem is occuring since I upgraded from etch to lenny |
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| 05:02.56 | catsup | i never heard of supergrub |
| 05:02.56 | evil64 | catsup: then i do root (hd0,1) and see what partition type comes up |
| 05:02.58 | vraa | oh that is badass, sweet thanks for the highlighting trick! |
| 05:03.01 | vraa | dmesg says it's sdd |
| 05:03.13 | deadcat | vraa: try sdd then. |
| 05:03.15 | vraa | so i do "mount /sdd |
| 05:03.17 | vraa | " |
| 05:03.42 | evil64 | catsup: then i try hd1,1 and same type shows up but when i do hd2,0 i see my windows partition which should be hd1,0 since i only have two hardware raid setups |
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| 05:03.56 | deadcat | vraa: is it sdd1? mkdir /mnt/sdd1 && mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt/sdd1 |
| 05:03.59 | noisesmith | vraa: mount /dev/sdd |
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| 05:04.19 | evil64 | catsup: so basically the device map is funky during BIOS / GRUB |
| 05:04.26 | vraa | i did "mount /dev/sdd" and it said "mount: can't find /dev/sdd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
| 05:04.40 | catsup | vraa: you need to specify a mount point (and the partition) |
| 05:04.43 | vraa | it's just sdd, i do see a sdd1 though |
| 05:04.44 | bonii | dmesg gives me the following error "gdm[3514]: segfault at 0000000c eip b77a41d2 esp bfb974a0 error 6" |
| 05:04.44 | catsup | like, mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt |
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| 05:04.59 | noisesmith | vraa: ahh, give it a mount point then (a folder it should mount on) you could add a line to /etc/fstab |
| 05:05.00 | catsup | vraa: but you should maybe not do it manually like that |
| 05:05.24 | vraa | okay if i dont do it manually, how do i do it? |
| 05:05.32 | vraa | how do i undo what i've done so far? i guess nothing right? |
| 05:05.46 | catsup | evil64: it makes no sense to me, if it's real raid, for it to do that... |
| 05:05.49 | noisesmith | with hald I hear you can have auto usb-drive mounting like on mac |
| 05:06.04 | noisesmith | vraa: it has done nothing yet, so nothing to undo |
| 05:06.10 | catsup | vraa: 'udev' generates events for these things |
| 05:06.23 | vraa | i have, uh, no idea what udev is |
| 05:06.33 | catsup | vraa: gnome and kde handle them through hal, maybe you want to use that shit... |
| 05:06.34 | vraa | is that the same thing as the hald that noisesmith is talking about? |
| 05:06.40 | catsup | vraa: kind of |
| 05:06.42 | vraa | no, that stuff has too much extra packages |
| 05:06.46 | evil64 | catsup: yup but its showing up correctly after linux boots |
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| 05:07.14 | vraa | are there negative consequences to mounting the usb stick by hand? |
| 05:07.31 | noisesmith | vraa extra typing |
| 05:07.33 | catsup | vraa: well, the scripts in /etc/udev are run when a new device shows up |
| 05:07.39 | vraa | if all i have to do is "mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt" and then "umount /dev/sdd1", that's easy |
| 05:07.58 | catsup | vraa: you can put whatever script in ther eyou want, to have it monut automatically, if you read the docs in /usr/share/udev you'll learn al about it |
| 05:08.01 | noisesmith | vraa that is pretty much what I always do |
| 05:08.02 | vraa | oh i see, yes i see some .rules files in that directory |
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| 05:08.14 | vraa | okay most excellent. i'm going to read the man page on udev |
| 05:08.18 | catsup | vraa: there are no negative consequences to doing it by hand |
| 05:08.46 | catsup | vraa: but it's inconvenient, you can have it automatically generate mountpoints by uuid or by device label and do neat stuff |
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| 05:10.00 | catsup | erm, /usr/share/doc/udev of course |
| 05:10.05 | evil64 | catsup: thanks for ur help gonna reboot and try something |
| 05:10.13 | catsup | heh, good luck |
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| 05:10.33 | vraa | btw, i've got another basic question. is using apt-get to setup a lamp stack inherently insecure? or can i run it for a small 20 user environment inhouse? |
| 05:10.41 | catsup | aurehman: hey weren't you in here a couple days ago with the same problem? |
| 05:11.00 | catsup | man, these terms, 'lamp stack', bah |
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| 05:11.10 | vraa | linux apache mysql php, sorry |
| 05:11.14 | catsup | i know what i tmeans |
| 05:11.17 | catsup | heh |
| 05:11.28 | liable | depends entirely on the shit php you run :) |
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| 05:11.48 | catsup | vraa: no, it's not 'inherently insecure' |
| 05:11.50 | vraa | i see, that's what i was some what worried about, i'll talk to our programmer and see if he knows anything |
| 05:12.13 | vraa | i've made to sure lock out root access through ssh, and limit the # of processes users can create |
| 05:12.16 | catsup | there is a certain way in which php is inherently insecure |
| 05:12.51 | catsup | php is a language to which incompetent programmers flock |
| 05:12.58 | catsup | such programmers write insecure code |
| 05:13.22 | catsup | vraa: that's not security |
| 05:13.25 | Baloo | You phrased that more politely than I could have. |
| 05:13.39 | noisesmith | plush php mysql bindings are insecurely designed last I heard |
| 05:13.48 | noisesmith | s/plush/plus/ |
| 05:14.00 | vraa | but are there things that as the hardware guy, i can make sure i've done my job right? |
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| 05:14.14 | Baloo | They also tend to re-invent the wheel. Look at all the php forum implementations out there. Do we really need that many piss-poor substitutes to mailing lists, when mailing lists are inheirently superior at the task? |
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| 05:14.37 | vraa | well, our guy is writing our own management information system |
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| 05:15.07 | vraa | essentially, it's a glorified excel, we just outgrew excel a tad bit and needed some things which a db engine allowed |
| 05:15.08 | noisesmith | Baloo: but if you have a mailing list, it is much less likely to get hacked by some turkish teenager, and where is the fun in that? |
| 05:15.10 | catsup | i duno what a management information system is, but somehow i'm confident that it won't be real secure |
| 05:15.28 | vraa | well basically data is entered into it, and lots of reports are available |
| 05:15.45 | vraa | for example, you can get a report of food costs per store, average for the company, average for an area, etc. |
| 05:15.46 | catsup | noisesmith: i've had enough of this channel's anti-turkey prejudice |
| 05:16.00 | vraa | but i'm rambling, i'm going to figure out udev stuff, bbl |
| 05:16.01 | bonii | hello, dmesg gives me the following errors "hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 05:16.03 | bonii | hdb: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { AbortedCommand } |
| 05:16.05 | bonii | " |
| 05:16.23 | catsup | bonii: that means your hard drive is dying |
| 05:16.55 | bonii | catsup: But I never got this problem on etch, this error is recurring since I upgraded to lenny |
| 05:17.15 | catsup | bonii: it's not because of software |
| 05:17.18 | catsup | it's a hardware error |
| 05:17.28 | catsup | are you using raid? |
| 05:17.33 | bonii | catsup: No |
| 05:17.38 | catsup | do you have backups? |
| 05:17.42 | bonii | catsup: Yes |
| 05:17.47 | catsup | then ignore it |
| 05:17.53 | bonii | catsup: Ok |
| 05:17.57 | noisesmith | bonii: DriveReady SeekComplete Error is kernelese for "buy a new harddrive tomorrow, and I hope you have been doing backups" |
| 05:18.22 | catsup | that's not exactly true... |
| 05:18.32 | catsup | you can get those errors for a long time before the drive completely shits out |
| 05:18.33 | noisesmith | catsup: no? |
| 05:18.58 | catsup | but keep those backups up to date ;) |
| 05:18.59 | noisesmith | catsup: I admire your bravery in doing what it takes to find that out! |
| 05:19.03 | catsup | heheh |
| 05:19.23 | bonii | catsup: I got similar problems around a year back on Ubuntu but then they sort of fixed out. |
| 05:19.44 | bonii | catsup: I also have a gdmlogin problem, it logs me in on the second time |
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| 05:20.15 | bonii | catsup: First time when I key in username and password it comes back to the login screen and then logs me in on the second time |
| 05:20.32 | catsup | shrug |
| 05:21.11 | bonii | dmesg shows me a gdm segfault |
| 05:21.21 | bonii | I am using Debian lenny |
| 05:21.42 | catsup | well, clearly it is a gdm bug |
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| 05:22.02 | noisesmith | bonii: you could try using xdm or kdm temporarily as a workaround |
| 05:22.20 | drs- | noisesmith, system is working again.. thanks once more :) |
| 05:22.28 | catsup | but gdm is the pretty one |
| 05:22.46 | noisesmith | drs-: any time |
| 05:23.08 | noisesmith | catsup: pretty vs stable, sounds like my dating choices |
| 05:23.16 | catsup | heheheh |
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| 05:23.34 | bonii | noisesmith: :) |
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| 05:39.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:39.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd148 is <Laney> alright lads. i set my root shell to /sbin/nolgin, but apparently that means i can't use "su -c" and sudo isn't installed. how can i change it back? :( |
| 05:44.26 | Nyle | ahh nothing like the feeling of hacking a debian based hosting server |
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| 05:44.54 | Nyle | let me just... take in this moment |
| 05:45.12 | Nyle | is this what you guru people feel like? |
| 05:45.14 | Nyle | all the time? |
| 05:45.23 | erpo | If I type program_a | program_b into my shell, is there a way to control the block size for the chunks of data passed through the pipe? |
| 05:45.23 | Nyle | wow its like amazing |
| 05:45.28 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 05:47.05 | Baloo | http://qdb.us/125764 |
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| 05:51.12 | Zoup | do you know any console based applicaation to configure network/system setting which can be replaced as root shell ? can you see the idea ? |
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| 05:54.06 | vraa | Zoup: webmin ? |
| 05:54.20 | vraa | oh sorry, that's not console based |
| 05:55.24 | Zoup | vraa: yeah but thanks , you see the idea ? i want to replace root shell with a menu with settings that people usualy need |
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| 05:59.24 | nevyn | Zoup: sh. |
| 05:59.38 | nevyn | Zoup: that's an insanely bad idea. |
| 06:00.16 | Zoup | nevyn: can you explain why ? |
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| 06:00.52 | nevyn | Zoup: it paints you into a corner where you can't get out when you mess up the menu |
| 06:01.14 | nevyn | Zoup: if you really want to do it use a different account. |
| 06:01.31 | Zoup | nevyn: its quite easy to put a menu for 'executing shell' , isnt it ? :) |
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| 06:02.12 | nevyn | Zoup: the problem is when your menu thingy is broken or doesn't provide the capability you need and you can't get out of it. |
| 06:02.17 | Zoup | nevyn: and for sure , its better to use some wrapper to look for menu app , if it wasnt available , it will run the shell |
| 06:02.30 | nevyn | Zoup: use another account. |
| 06:02.35 | nevyn | Zoup: call it admin |
| 06:02.40 | aurehman_ | catsup: i'm succeded in installing debian |
| 06:02.42 | nevyn | make it uid 0 if you really want. |
| 06:02.53 | Zoup | nevyn: thats not a bad idea :) thanks :) |
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| 06:03.00 | Zoup | nevyn: do you know any app suitable ? |
| 06:03.16 | Zoup | nevyn: any network configuration on console ? |
| 06:03.18 | aurehman_ | now i need to install Apache 2.2.8 on debian... plz help me |
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| 06:04.04 | nevyn | Zoup: linuxconf is the closest thing that springs to mind |
| 06:04.15 | streuner | !info apache |
| 06:04.41 | streuner | !info apache2 |
| 06:04.42 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-3 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 06:05.03 | Zoup | meff: which is not available on debian i guess |
| 06:05.25 | aurehman | how can i update my sources.list |
| 06:05.41 | streuner | aurehman: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 06:09.15 | njende | hi there!Are there any germans in here who are signed to debian users ML? |
| 06:09.52 | njende | I just would like to know if its just me wjo is not getting any mails since yesterday |
| 06:10.01 | njende | from the ML. |
| 06:10.56 | streuner | so you think german users didn't get any mail and all others in the world got them? |
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| 06:12.42 | njende | streuner: No, I havent said that. I'm just wondering that I didn't get any mails from the Listserver since yesterday |
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| 06:13.43 | streuner | njende: which ML is that exactly? |
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| 06:14.29 | njende | streuner: debian-user-german@lists.debian.org <-- that's the ML |
| 06:14.53 | distatica | I installed gspca-source via apt-get and now I'm wondering where on earth it would have stuck this.. any ideas? |
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| 06:17.50 | streuner | njende: did you ask somewhere else too about? |
| 06:17.50 | bryndza | Hi i have problem with NetworkManager, it ignores my wired network, it sees only my wirelles. |
| 06:18.07 | bryndza | distatica try: /usr/src |
| 06:18.20 | njende | streuner: I just asked users @ #debian.de |
| 06:18.29 | njende | whereelse should I ask? |
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| 06:18.54 | streuner | njende: somebody answered you already... |
| 06:19.08 | distatica | bryndza: oh weird, I checked there first, but somehow managed ot miss it. |
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| 06:19.35 | njende | streuner: yep, and so did I |
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| 06:19.58 | njende | streuner: I guess you'll agree if I say that this is kind of weird |
| 06:20.21 | streuner | !multiple ask |
| 06:20.21 | dpkg | from memory, multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying. |
| 06:20.30 | bryndza | distatica ten try to look inside the package in /var/cache/apt/archives via mc and look in the content directory for clues |
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| 06:31.43 | vraa | hey guys, i did apt-get install xfce4, and after i login, i just have a background with white and black squares and nothing else |
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| 06:33.46 | jim | vraa: so you're wondering if that's good or bad? would you have preferred red and blue? |
| 06:33.58 | vraa | well, how do i use it? |
| 06:34.02 | vraa | i thought it replaces fluxbox? |
| 06:34.24 | BubbaT | I'm trying to make a DebianLive CD, I have some files I want to add to the cd, how can i do that? |
| 06:34.25 | jim | those are things you can find out by looking at the docs |
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| 06:34.45 | jim | is there a debian live cd that's actually considered debian? |
| 06:35.09 | BubbaT | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/live-helper |
| 06:35.24 | aurehman | how can i install apache on debian |
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| 06:35.43 | Zoup | aurehman: apt-get install apache :) |
| 06:36.02 | aurehman | Zoup: i think sources.list is not upgraded |
| 06:36.24 | jim | so figure out what you want there and put it there |
| 06:36.27 | Zoup | aurehman: add debian repository then :) |
| 06:36.37 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:37.01 | aurehman | Zoup: i m a newbie for debian plz tell me how |
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| 06:37.17 | jim | read up |
| 06:37.32 | jim | if you find it yourself you won't be a newbie for long |
| 06:37.32 | Zoup | aurehman: i can help you fix this but you wont learn anything , can you please start by rading debian users manual ? |
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| 06:38.07 | aurehman | Zoup: i am agree with you.. i can't learn if you'll do everything for me... |
| 06:38.11 | aurehman | thanx for your thoughts |
| 06:39.11 | jim | so what's your plan for learning how to do this |
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| 06:40.02 | aurehman | just hints |
| 06:40.05 | Zoup | aurehman: start by http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ |
| 06:40.17 | aurehman | i have this in sources.list ... http://pastebin.com/d41d0ef0a |
| 06:40.24 | Zoup | aurehman: after that http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
| 06:40.26 | Zoup | omg .. |
| 06:40.49 | jim | aurehman: all the questions you ask hava ALREADY been answered, in extensive ways. |
| 06:41.17 | jim | aurehman: do you understand that when you approach like this, some people will run when you approach? |
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| 06:41.34 | jim | unless you have money in your hand, that is |
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| 06:54.19 | aurehman | :) ... thanx jim |
| 06:55.05 | lokkju_wrk | I'm having some unknown nmi errors on a tyan thunder le S2510 motherboard, and I am finally thinking it could be related to an issue with the ECC RAM. The RAM passes all memcheck tests, but I've been seeing a few things on google that says memcheck and other such things can't fully test ECC or something... ideas? |
| 06:55.56 | Phil4 | memtest isn't foolproof, lokkju_wrk |
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| 06:56.23 | Phil4 | a flatmate spent literally weeks debugging his new build and found that, of all things, one of the sticks of ram was dead |
| 06:56.34 | Phil4 | although memtest claimed they were all ok |
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| 06:57.45 | jim | aurehman: waht to see what you can install? |
| 06:58.07 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, which is what I suspect, the problem is that this is somewhat of an intermittant problem |
| 06:58.46 | aurehman | jim: just reading the manual |
| 06:58.51 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, I can cause the NMI error to pop up when I do a massive grep (say, a recursive grep of /var/log), it will usually happen in the first 5 seconds or so |
| 06:58.55 | aurehman | how to add sources in sources.list |
| 06:59.17 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, I wouldn't care at all except that sometimes it causes a full system freeze. |
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| 06:59.38 | Phil4 | lokkju_wrk, he caused Windows to lock up and require a hard reset when he played high performance games |
| 06:59.42 | Phil4 | so it sounds like a similar issue |
| 07:00.15 | lokkju_wrk | What makes me suspect the RAM is that if I only have one stick in (I have not tried rotating through them all yet, that is next), it will not have an issue - which means either the RAM, the memory socket, or the power |
| 07:00.47 | lokkju_wrk | so, is there any way to more thouroghly test ECC RAM? |
| 07:01.37 | Phil4 | not overly sure, lokkju_wrk |
| 07:01.49 | Phil4 | he found it by running various combinations of his 4 sticks |
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| 07:02.25 | lokkju_wrk | my suspicion is that the NMI is being sent by the ECC, when an error is detected |
| 07:02.42 | aurehman | how can i update my sources.list |
| 07:02.43 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, and memcheck didn't rate his chips as bad either? |
| 07:02.48 | lokkju_wrk | aurehman, manually? |
| 07:02.50 | Phil4 | nop, lokkju_wrk |
| 07:02.58 | Phil4 | ran for almost 18 hours and it didn't say a thing |
| 07:02.58 | Phil4 | heh |
| 07:03.02 | aurehman | manually and automatically |
| 07:03.26 | Phil4 | aurehman, nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:04.18 | aurehman | i've these lines in sources.list ... http://pastebin.com/d4b3151d2 |
| 07:04.42 | Phil4 | you're missing the main repos |
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| 07:05.12 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1085 <-- that's mine |
| 07:05.29 | karllenz_ | hey i cant seem to get my wifi working on a fresh install of debian kde |
| 07:05.42 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, yeah, I did 72 hours, plus ran em through a hardware memory test machine |
| 07:05.59 | Phil4 | who makes 'em, lokkju_wrk? |
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| 07:07.02 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, crucial |
| 07:07.03 | karllenz_ | its a belkin usb |
| 07:07.23 | karllenz_ | i also have a mn-510 that wont work |
| 07:07.28 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, but they are old, and have thousands of hours on them - these were graphics rendering servers in a cluster |
| 07:07.36 | karllenz_ | and a dlink pci card that wont detect either |
| 07:07.53 | Phil4 | hrmmm |
| 07:08.14 | aurehman | so... which repos should i add in my sources.list |
| 07:08.21 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, but I have four of these boxes, and they are all doing the same thing |
| 07:08.41 | Phil4 | all crashing, lokkju_wrk? |
| 07:08.43 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, so, either all the memory is bad, or all the motherboards are having power issues |
| 07:09.21 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, all throwing the same NMI errors in dmesg, all can be caused to generate the nmi error with a heavy grep, and all eventually crashing |
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| 07:10.27 | aurehman | Phil4: i've aded your repos in my sources.list |
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| 07:10.38 | Phil4 | sounds more like a software error that a freak simultanious hardware error |
| 07:11.12 | Phil4 | aurehman, keep in mind mine are for Lenny |
| 07:11.21 | Phil4 | replace Lenny with Etch to keep your current release |
| 07:11.22 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, I get the same errors (slightly different wording of course) on freebsd |
| 07:11.32 | Phil4 | urgh |
| 07:11.42 | lkthomas_ | guys, anyone know where could I find the latest clamav debian binary ? |
| 07:11.45 | aurehman | Phil4: what is the difference with Lenny and Etch |
| 07:11.52 | Phil4 | aurehman, Lenny is testing |
| 07:11.55 | lokkju_wrk | yeah, though at least freebsd doesn't (or hasn't) actually frozen on me yet |
| 07:12.08 | Phil4 | slightly more updated software but you run the risk of stuff being broken |
| 07:12.10 | streuner | aurehman: just use stable/etch first |
| 07:12.38 | streuner | get some experience before you using something other than etch/stable |
| 07:13.47 | aurehman | i m used to with ubuntu.. but debian is my first time installation |
| 07:15.06 | streuner | Why did you change anyway? |
| 07:15.07 | aurehman | what are the repos of the Etch? |
| 07:15.23 | esteel | not really debian related sorry for that, but: My new laptop has a combined 3.5mm stereo/optical 7.1 jack.. at home i have a cheap 5.1 surround system that has 3x 3.5mm plugs.. is there a way to get them to work together? some hardware that 'splits' the optical into 3x 3.5mm analog? |
| 07:15.53 | streuner | esteel: there is #hardware, IIRC |
| 07:16.28 | esteel | streuner: have an idea on the name? right now i'm not even sure what to look for.. |
| 07:16.44 | esteel | LOL sorry, i overread the # :) thanks |
| 07:17.30 | streuner | aurehman: etch=stable |
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| 07:17.43 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, "When detecting multi-bit errors, ECC mode will perform in a similar manner to that of parity RAM, in which the parity circuit will report a not-maskable interrupt (NMI) error and halt the processor" |
| 07:18.02 | Phil4 | hrmmm, ok |
| 07:18.03 | streuner | aurehman: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 07:18.07 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, what you think, that sound close to the issue? |
| 07:18.16 | Phil4 | indeed |
| 07:18.30 | Phil4 | question is, what's causing bad data to be passed to the ram |
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| 07:19.42 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, well, it could still just be bad ram |
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| 07:20.07 | Phil4 | on all 4 servers, lokkju_wrk? |
| 07:20.11 | used1 | hello it's uv... can anyone capture my location |
| 07:20.11 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, but otherwise, my first guess has to be power related |
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| 07:20.43 | used1 | anyone here? |
| 07:21.01 | lokkju_wrk | remember, these server are all exactly the same, were all run for essentially exactly the same amount of time, and in the same conditions - any hardware error, in the power supply, motherboard, or RAM, will probably show up at about the same time |
| 07:21.28 | lokkju_wrk | Also, the ECC only sends an NMI when it detects a multibit error, which means something REALLY wrong |
| 07:21.31 | used1 | hmmm... my world is destroyed.... need to get back to the mountains... can anyone help tiget return to an d embrace the mountain??? |
| 07:21.38 | used1 | tiget == tiger |
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| 07:22.09 | Phil4 | I don't know too much about ECC, but does it have error correcting similar to that of parity? |
| 07:22.19 | used1 | error I'm talking about terror |
| 07:22.26 | used1 | anyone here? |
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| 07:23.17 | ma3x | should i move to ext4? |
| 07:24.38 | markybob | ma3x not 'til it's stable |
| 07:25.00 | karllenz_ | i have this wifi adapter http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=179211 |
| 07:25.02 | ma3x | ok |
| 07:25.09 | karllenz_ | and i cant get it to work wat so ever |
| 07:25.22 | karllenz_ | any one know how can get it up and running |
| 07:25.31 | markybob | karllenz_ then use ndiswrapper |
| 07:25.57 | karllenz_ | markybob: where can i get the windows driver |
| 07:26.17 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, yes, it does, which is why memcheck passes it |
| 07:26.39 | markybob | karllenz_ http://www.belkin.com/support/ |
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| 07:27.04 | Phil4 | so as you say, these aren't trivial errors being created here if it's sending that interrupt |
| 07:27.14 | karllenz_ | markybob: i also have and mn-510 |
| 07:27.18 | karllenz_ | and a dling pci |
| 07:27.25 | karllenz_ | none of them will work out of the box |
| 07:27.37 | markybob | again, so use ndiswrapper |
| 07:28.00 | karllenz_ | the work fine when using ubuntu tho |
| 07:28.09 | lokkju_wrk | Phil4, yeah |
| 07:28.35 | markybob | karllenz_ ubuntu includes non-free firmware and drivers |
| 07:28.43 | karllenz_ | markybob: o |
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| 07:37.08 | aurehman | how to install Zend Optimizer 3.3.3 on debian |
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| 07:37.22 | pstickne | anyone happen to know the package containing the libc man-pages? |
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| 07:37.36 | jim | aurehman: /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:38.12 | jim | unless you have money, then I'll search for you |
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| 07:40.09 | Dewi | anyone noticed that bitlbee stopped working with ICQ? |
| 07:40.19 | Dewi | (or it could just be mine) |
| 07:40.36 | Zharf | my bitlbee works fine wiht ICQ |
| 07:40.48 | aurehman | jim: i didn't find Zend Optimizer 3.3.3 in dpkg |
| 07:40.58 | Dewi | Zharf: as of today? must be me then |
| 07:41.27 | Zharf | Dewi, it disconnected about 30 minutes ago |
| 07:41.29 | Dewi | Zharf: it keeps saying "Error: Gaim - Oscar SNAC Error: SNAC threw error: Busted SNAC payload", although then it says I'm logged in, but I don't see anyone |
| 07:41.45 | Zharf | Dewi, oh, it says that to me too, but I do see people |
| 07:42.07 | Dewi | Zharf: maybe all my friends aren't around; I don't have many! |
| 07:42.14 | Zharf | :) |
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| 07:50.43 | Zoup | how can i assign stdin to arraay in shell ? list=`ls` , when i want list as array |
| 07:50.57 | tarzeau | Zoup: you can't have an array... |
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| 07:51.15 | tarzeau | Zoup: but you could use some separator string or character and handle that? |
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| 07:51.19 | Zoup | tarzeau: aa emm ... you mean there is no shell array ? |
| 07:51.28 | tarzeau | Zoup: usually no |
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| 07:51.37 | tarzeau | Zoup: unless you use some special shell that supports that |
| 07:51.50 | Zoup | tarzeau: line bash! :) |
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| 07:52.17 | Zoup | tarzeau: if i want to get line number of lspci out , what should i use ? cut or awk ? |
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| 07:52.28 | Zoup | tarzeau: since these are word based and i need line based solution |
| 07:52.45 | o2T7 | For an offtopic question? :) |
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| 07:53.42 | o2T7 | "How should I translate "Finals revision" into spanish?" <- my question ;) |
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| 07:54.27 | Bushmills | Zoup: foo=( $(ls) ) |
| 07:54.55 | Zoup | Bushmills: thanks |
| 07:55.37 | Bushmills | Zoup: elements are echo ${foo[0]} ... |
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| 08:01.56 | fireba11 | does the debian exim4 config contain some default way to block accepting mails for a specific system user ? |
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| 08:07.41 | jim | probably not... but what did you find out when you read the config files? |
| 08:08.38 | o2T7 | fireba11: There is an #exim channel at freenode |
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| 08:09.04 | petemc | fireba11s problem is specific to debian |
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| 08:09.38 | o2T7 | petemc: and to exim too |
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| 08:09.44 | petemc | o2T7: no |
| 08:09.50 | jim | it does relate to debian's default config... but wait, is there such a thing? I thought the config was generated |
| 08:09.53 | petemc | its easy to do with vanilla exim |
| 08:11.29 | jim | it is still of help to try #exim if he can find the config file that's in effect |
| 08:11.47 | petemc | exim4 -bV will print the path to the config |
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| 08:12.03 | jim | that would help too |
| 08:12.05 | petemc | but to edit that, you need to poke in /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/ |
| 08:12.16 | petemc | and run update-exim4.conf |
| 08:12.41 | petemc | fwiw, all you need is something like "deny local_parts = foo" in the rcpt acl |
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| 08:13.58 | fireba11 | jim: i know what config is in effect. i want to know if there is a default mechanism for that |
| 08:14.34 | jim | oh, I thought you said a default provision in the existing configuration |
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| 08:15.18 | fireba11 | debian config got several options for white- and balcklists etc already set up you only need to provide the file, so i thought ther was something for that case too but i couldn't find anything |
| 08:15.28 | fireba11 | petemc : good morning btw |
| 08:15.34 | petemc | morning |
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| 08:16.38 | jim | did you say you want local system users blocked? like if the exim is aplace.net then you would want root@aplace.net to fail to be accepted? |
| 08:17.25 | o2T7 | still there isn't an official fix to the exim4 init.d problem? |
| 08:17.26 | fireba11 | jim : yes, mail@foobar.com to be precise .. i'm getthign hundreds of bounces on that address |
| 08:18.11 | jim | I was going to suggest redirecting, but not for this |
| 08:18.40 | fireba11 | i'd rather not accept those mails than throw them away |
| 08:19.16 | jim | so what you really want is to solve a specific problem you're having |
| 08:19.37 | petemc | fireba11: it would be simple enough to add a line in the acl that looks in a file for a list of blacklisted local parts |
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| 08:19.53 | fireba11 | petemc: true .- i probably should just do that |
| 08:20.03 | jim | or would you also like to build a system into exim's debian config system that adds the feature you were asking about? |
| 08:20.34 | fireba11 | jim: well i can just throw in another config file in my split config anyway |
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| 08:21.07 | jim | probably no one else has quite the same problem you do since you have the foobar domain |
| 08:21.24 | fireba11 | jim : er .. that was only an example :-D |
| 08:21.44 | o2T7 | exim4's init.d script tries to start the mail server with `/sbin/start-stop-daemon --start --nicelevel 0 --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/exim4 --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/exim4/exim.pid -- -bd -q30m '' '' '`, which gives an error "exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments". It was reported some time ago, but upgrading lenny still breaks the mail system. |
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| 08:21.46 | jim | oh, ok... |
| 08:21.57 | petemc | problems with backscatter are fairly universal now, its always useful to be able to find a pattern in the bounces etc and block on that |
| 08:22.24 | petemc | o2T7: its been reported upstream by marc haber, there are workarounds |
| 08:22.42 | jim | why did it need to go upstream? |
| 08:22.51 | petemc | its a problem with lsb or some such |
| 08:22.57 | petemc | i dont recall the details |
| 08:23.03 | jim | oh ok |
| 08:23.19 | o2T7 | petemc: It declares some quoted variables which result in the '' '' among the options |
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| 08:24.35 | fireba11 | petemc: i got a lot at mail@ on the different domains ... since that account isn't used but a system user it gets acceppted and clogs up my queue rather dumb |
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| 08:26.10 | petemc | fireba11: i dont accept mail for anything that doesnt have a valid mailbox |
| 08:26.21 | fireba11 | petemc: that#s what i'm trying to do |
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| 08:26.50 | petemc | so do recipient verification, and ensure mail isnt aliased to something valid |
| 08:26.51 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Where is the file that contains what application GNOME should launch when a web browser window opens? |
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| 08:35.35 | rcbarnes | The difference between /dev/urandom and /dev/random is that the latter blocks when the entropy pool is exausted (as I understand it). Is there an easy way to access the "random" data that's generated for the former after the entropy is used up without wasting the entropy pool? |
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| 08:39.48 | mds_ | hi all! how can I keep debain from starting apache automatically at boot time? |
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| 08:43.10 | fireba11 | mds_: it's expected you want it started if its installed. however you can just remove it from the rc levels |
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| 08:45.45 | ShiftOnYou | hi all, |
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| 08:46.10 | ShiftOnYou | what do i have to do, that i can use my debian as a i-net gateway? |
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| 08:46.31 | zxd_ | hi |
| 08:46.40 | ShiftOnYou | i want to connect from my computer (with win) over the debian to the internet... |
| 08:46.43 | Dewi | mds_: or if you don't want to mess with /etc/rc.* |
| 08:46.58 | Dewi | mds_: you can disable it in /etc/default/apache2 |
| 08:47.06 | zxd_ | what's the name of the tarball that has debian installation on chroot |
| 08:47.13 | mds_ | ok thanks. I DO want to disable the functionality,cause I need port 80 for a different installation... |
| 08:47.51 | fireba11 | mds_: any reason not to remove apache then ? |
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| 08:48.05 | mds_ | Dewi: I put NO_START = 1 right? |
| 08:48.35 | mds_ | fireba11: Yeah, I might need it later ;-) |
| 08:48.36 | Dewi | mds_: probably |
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| 08:48.46 | zxd_ | debootstrap |
| 08:48.48 | Dewi | mds_: test using /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 08:48.55 | Dewi | mds_: that should no longer start it |
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| 08:49.02 | esteel | ShiftOnYou: you need to setup NAT |
| 08:49.09 | sChaaa | hola |
| 08:49.10 | mds_ | Dewi: Ok, I try, thanks for the help guys! |
| 08:49.32 | ShiftOnYou | esteel: ok, do you have any good tutorial or howto? |
| 08:50.02 | mds_ | works fine with NO_START = 1 ! |
| 08:50.22 | esteel | ShiftOnYou: not really.. i setup my debian router like 3 years ago and never had to touch that part again :) |
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| 08:51.22 | ShiftOnYou | esteel: ok :D but thx |
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| 08:52.45 | ShiftOnYou | now i did something... lets try :D |
| 08:53.18 | esteel | ShiftOnYou: seraching google for 'debian nat' brought up: http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html |
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| 08:53.27 | esteel | ShiftOnYou: skipping over it that might be what you need |
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| 08:54.49 | vy | How can I see which packages are installed in a system by looking at some sort of cache file? I suppose it to be somewhere under /var/cache/... |
| 08:57.04 | Phil4 | vy: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 08:58.14 | vy | Phil4: I'm trying to restore from backups and don't have a working binary directory, but a copy of /var. |
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| 08:58.42 | Phil4 | oh right, then I'm unsure |
| 08:59.08 | vy | How can I read binary files under /var/cache/apt? |
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| 08:59.39 | Eulex | hello, how do I launch an X application from within a chroot? |
| 08:59.54 | aurehman | jim: i've installe php5 on debian but it is not working... can u tell me what to do? |
| 09:02.50 | aurehman | jim: i got it ... it was due to unavailability of curl... i installed curl and the problem is solved.. thanx |
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| 09:12.20 | freezer | hi |
| 09:12.26 | freezer | im installing a new kernel to my rootserver |
| 09:12.48 | Bushmills | great. |
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| 09:12.55 | Bushmills | i'm brewing a cup of coffee |
| 09:13.02 | SlayerXP | freezer: i'm sipping tea |
| 09:13.07 | freezer | ist there a grub option, which will let the new kernel only boot once, so in case it does not work, the next boot the old one will be choosen by grub? |
| 09:13.17 | liable | beer ftw! |
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| 09:14.16 | Bushmills | there was with lilo ... not sure about grub - i suppose it has one |
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| 09:14.26 | Bushmills | but - you have a root server without rescue system? |
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| 09:14.28 | freezer | i know the lilo one |
| 09:14.47 | freezer | Bushmills: it has a rescue i think, but why the hassle? |
| 09:14.47 | indraveni | how to create an autorun cd in debian. I want my index.html file from cd to automatically open in browser when the cd is inserted |
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| 09:15.05 | zxd_ | what does --second-stage do in deboostrap? |
| 09:15.29 | Bushmills | because you can install another kernel from the rescue system, should boot fail |
| 09:15.35 | lastnode | zxd_: man deboostrap |
| 09:15.47 | zxd_ | it dosent say there |
| 09:15.48 | zxd_ | lastnode, |
| 09:16.12 | lastnode | ok one second |
| 09:16.16 | lastnode | curses ratpoison |
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| 09:16.32 | freezer | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html |
| 09:16.34 | freezer | haha! |
| 09:17.14 | lastnode | ok zxd_ , are you usign a guide? |
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| 09:17.33 | zxd_ | no |
| 09:17.47 | zxd_ | lastnode, what you mean , which guide? |
| 09:17.59 | lastnode | zxd_: there are many |
| 09:18.01 | lastnode | let's see |
| 09:18.03 | lastnode | !deboostrap |
| 09:18.07 | lastnode | *debootstrap |
| 09:18.12 | lastnode | !debootstrap |
| 09:18.12 | dpkg | i heard debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 09:18.17 | lastnode | sorry about that, just woke up :) |
| 09:18.31 | lastnode | check out teh wiki link |
| 09:18.38 | lastnode | im not sure what your switch does |
| 09:18.45 | lastnode | because ive deboostrapped a lot and never had to use it |
| 09:18.58 | lastnode | maybe it's a new switch that automates getting the base system for you? nto sure |
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| 09:19.30 | zxd_ | lastnode, it dosen't mention --second-stage there.. |
| 09:19.37 | zxd_ | lastnode, hmm |
| 09:19.44 | lastnode | zxd_: can you tell me why you are worrieda bout it? |
| 09:20.10 | zxd_ | no reason |
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| 09:21.39 | p3u | hi |
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| 09:22.07 | lastnode | zxd_: i see. let me know if you find out :) |
| 09:22.13 | lastnode | hi p3u |
| 09:22.19 | p3u | not sure if i'm on the right place but i have a problem with apache2 since i upgraded |
| 09:22.35 | lastnode | p3u: what's the problem |
| 09:23.10 | p3u | since i upgraded i can't use the balancer manager web interface of apache2 |
| 09:23.17 | p3u | the fix was this one : http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-changes@lists.debian.org/msg13351.html |
| 09:23.42 | p3u | now if i tri to connect to http://localhost/balancer-manager?b=mycluster&w=http://www1 |
| 09:24.02 | p3u | i got in ErrorLog [Wed May 07 10:38:54 2008] [notice] child pid 23964 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 09:24.28 | p3u | in the changelog i can read "Fix mod_proxy_balancer configuration file parsing (closes: #453630)" |
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| 09:24.39 | p3u | before the fix everything was working fine |
| 09:24.47 | p3u | after the fix i have this problem |
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| 09:24.55 | jatt | Segmentation fault means bug. |
| 09:25.12 | p3u | yes i just was on apache channel |
| 09:25.16 | lastnode | p3u: #apache mate |
| 09:25.17 | lastnode | oh right |
| 09:25.20 | lastnode | so they say it's a bug? |
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| 09:25.42 | p3u | no they said if its after a debian fix i was on the wrong channel :) |
| 09:26.12 | lastnode | p3u: did you check the bug trakcer? |
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| 09:26.44 | lastnode | or a similar/the same bug |
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| 09:27.09 | p3u | humm i don't really know where to check |
| 09:27.14 | lastnode | !bugs |
| 09:27.15 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
| 09:27.22 | lastnode | meh bad dpkg |
| 09:27.23 | p3u | i'm just a simple user |
| 09:27.25 | ruben | Hello, I am using debiat etch amd64, but if I try to mount a nfs partition my server does not respond (it has ping) but I can't connect using ssh, seems a 'little kernel panic' |
| 09:27.45 | spitfirekdv | Hi all! I want to install some java software on debian etch. And I receive error ERROR: JAVA_HOME not found in your environment. |
| 09:28.04 | spitfirekdv | I created JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/java" in /etc/profile |
| 09:28.21 | p3u | lastnode: you mean this ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453630 |
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| 09:28.35 | lastnode | p3u: http://bugs.debian.org yes |
| 09:28.38 | spitfirekdv | And . /etc/profile |
| 09:28.47 | spitfirekdv | but doesn't work |
| 09:28.48 | lastnode | spitfirekdv: are you following a guide? |
| 09:28.53 | p3u | lastnode: ok i'm looking thank you |
| 09:28.59 | spitfirekdv | yes, http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
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| 09:29.56 | lastnode | ruben: your message is garbled. what exactly are you saying? use more words, and more sentences please :) |
| 09:30.04 | lastnode | checking spitfirekdv |
| 09:30.17 | zxd_ | what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-xen-686 and linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 09:30.50 | freezer | do i need PAE for 4GB ram? |
| 09:31.02 | lastnode | zxd_: http://packages.debian.org, find the appropriate packages, and compare tehir descriptions |
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| 09:31.43 | lastnode | !java |
| 09:31.43 | dpkg | i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 09:31.52 | zxd_ | lastnode, i read the description with apt-cache show |
| 09:31.54 | lastnode | spitfirekdv: ask dpkg about install java |
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| 09:32.01 | lastnode | zxd_: and? |
| 09:32.08 | zxd_ | same description |
| 09:32.25 | lastnode | spitfirekdv: http://wiki.debian.org/Java |
| 09:32.38 | freezer | do i need 64 bit linux for 4GB RAM? |
| 09:32.39 | lastnode | zxd_: maybe one is a deprec package now? perhaps a name change? |
| 09:32.47 | freezer | im confused! |
| 09:32.50 | lastnode | freezer: off teh top of my head, id say yes. im nto sure though |
| 09:32.51 | zxd_ | so am i |
| 09:33.02 | zxd_ | freezer, no you dont |
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| 09:33.10 | p3u | lastnode: i can't find more information on the bugtracker |
| 09:33.16 | zxd_ | freezer, you need PAE for more than 4GB |
| 09:33.37 | lastnode | freezer: a little googling would have brought this up mate - http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_22591780.html |
| 09:33.40 | zxd_ | and as you know PAE is for 32bit machine |
| 09:33.45 | zxd_ | 64bit dosen't have this limitation |
| 09:33.55 | lastnode | freezer: sorry er lwrong link - http://www.skolelinux.org/~klaus/sarge/x2003.html |
| 09:34.07 | lastnode | p3u: then try the debian-users mailing list |
| 09:34.10 | lastnode | !debian-users |
| 09:34.23 | freezer | ah ok |
| 09:34.30 | freezer | ok... |
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| 09:34.50 | sandman | Do packages in Debian Stable typically not have a watch file? |
| 09:34.52 | freezer | is there any use of Video for Linux support in the kernel on a rootserver? |
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| 09:35.03 | freezer | could possibly need it? |
| 09:35.08 | freezer | *I |
| 09:35.21 | aurehman | Hi... how can i install MySQL 5.1.23 RC in debian? |
| 09:35.33 | lastnode | p3u: www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
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| 09:35.38 | freezer | like, do i need it to use encoders and stuff |
| 09:35.45 | p3u | thank you lastnode |
| 09:35.53 | lastnode | np p3u , sorry i couldn't help mate |
| 09:36.02 | ricosecada | The easiest way to count the number of installed packages? |
| 09:36.18 | lastnode | aurehman: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?117,199535,199535 |
| 09:36.32 | the-dude | dpkg --get-selections|grep installed|wc -l |
| 09:36.32 | dpkg | the-dude: wish i knew |
| 09:36.40 | p3u | np lastnode, you seem to be very busy on that channel ! a fulltime job ! :) |
| 09:36.55 | ricosecada | the-dude, thanks |
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| 09:39.08 | lastnode | p3u: just hang in her when i can. :) btw, as a debian user, it is kinda your duty to post that bug, if in fact you find it's a bug :) |
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| 09:39.28 | lastnode | dpkg --get-selections|grep installed|wc -l |
| 09:39.29 | dpkg | lastnode: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:39.42 | lastnode | P |
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| 09:43.31 | lastnode | er sorry about that |
| 09:43.33 | lastnode | messy terminals |
| 09:43.49 | lastnode | the-dude: wouldn't dpkg -l work too? |
| 09:44.43 | the-dude | lastnode: does the same trick :) |
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| 09:45.07 | lastnode | gotcha |
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| 09:45.22 | lastnode | ok that's a little lull :) |
| 09:45.28 | lastnode | does a little dance |
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| 09:47.25 | mazzanet | ok something mildly urgent |
| 09:47.41 | mazzanet | i need to download a particular version of a package that isn't available anymore |
| 09:47.47 | mazzanet | ...on mirrors |
| 09:47.59 | lastnode | mazzanet: what is the package? |
| 09:48.00 | mazzanet | where can i get it |
| 09:48.22 | mazzanet | bluez-utils 3.24-1 |
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| 09:48.36 | Uatschitchun | Hi all |
| 09:49.25 | lastnode | arch/release? |
| 09:49.28 | lastnode | Uatschitchun: hi |
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| 09:50.05 | extor | How do I figure out which IDE chipset my mobo is using along with which driver it is using? In kernel 2.6.18 I keep getting this error: "speed down requested but no transfer mode left" and a couple of other ATA errors |
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| 09:50.36 | moshii | extor: lspci should help |
| 09:50.37 | mazzanet | lastnode: i386 |
| 09:50.54 | Uatschitchun | Short question: I build multiple packages from one source (like package abc & abc-plugin-ddd). Package abc-plugin-ddd should depend on abc, but only that, but on the version that is beeing build. Like if source is 1.0.2, abc-plugin-ddd should depend on abc (= 1.0.2) ... how does one do that in control? |
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| 09:51.06 | lastnode | mazzanet: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bluez-utils/bluez-utils_3.24-1_i386.deb |
| 09:51.13 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.29 | cedric3 | hi all i want to update sarge to etch anyone have any documentation to do this properly please thanks |
| 09:51.42 | liable | !sarge->etch |
| 09:51.43 | moshii | extor: then lsmod and look for a driver.. it might be using an generic one |
| 09:51.44 | mazzanet | 404 |
| 09:51.47 | liable | bah |
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| 09:51.57 | lastnode | !upgrade etch |
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| 09:52.01 | cedric3 | liable : yes |
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| 09:52.03 | lastnode | ok dpkg is being bad again |
| 09:52.17 | liable | cedric3: see the changelog on debian.org |
| 09:52.21 | cedric3 | lastnode : i make only this command !upgrade etch and it work ? |
| 09:52.29 | lastnode | cedric3: no no mate. |
| 09:52.32 | lastnode | cedric3: hang on :) |
| 09:52.41 | mazzanet | lastnode: 404 |
| 09:52.45 | lastnode | cedric3: http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html |
| 09:52.53 | lastnode | mazzanet: yeah i know.s orry, checkeda fter is ent the link |
| 09:53.01 | mazzanet | ah |
| 09:53.55 | cedric3 | lastnode : very thanks for this doc i see and try with this thanks are you already see the bug to do this or it work no problem |
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| 09:55.16 | lastnode | cedric3: np |
| 09:55.21 | lastnode | mazzanet: why do you want that specific version? |
| 09:55.21 | Uatschitchun | Is there something like: Depends: package (= $currently_build_version) in debian/control? |
| 09:55.28 | lastnode | mazzanet: you can prolly get hte source |
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| 09:56.29 | mazzanet | lastnode: latest ver (upgrded last night) blacklists my device |
| 09:56.46 | mazzanet | i kinda need it working... |
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| 09:57.16 | lastnode | ok try and get the source for ehg version you need |
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| 09:59.28 | cedric3 | lastnode : thanks |
| 09:59.39 | stevil | one of my proccesses seem to have a lot of futex locking going on, (looking at it via strace) is there away what is being locked, or which processes is locking it ? |
| 09:59.42 | mazzanet | lastnode: so there isn't some archive of old packages? |
| 10:02.51 | Uatschitchun | Is there someone here who might answer some questions regarding debian/control? |
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| 10:03.09 | rcbarnes | The difference between /dev/urandom and /dev/random is that the latter blocks when the entropy pool is exausted (as I understand it). Is there an easy way to access the "random" data that's generated for the former after the entropy is used up without wasting the entropy pool? |
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| 10:03.55 | idimmu | !ask Uatschitchun |
| 10:04.01 | idimmu | bugger |
| 10:04.04 | idimmu | !ask |
| 10:04.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:04.34 | Uatschitchun | idimmu: cool |
| 10:06.15 | Uatschitchun | idimmu: Is it possible to make a package depend on ${Binary-Version}? |
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| 10:06.37 | Lagbolt | lol you said bugger |
| 10:07.02 | jelly | rcbarnes: eh, use /dev/u?random as seed for a rng, instead? |
| 10:07.21 | Uatschitchun | idimmu: upstream is: 1.1.0-rc6, so package is: 1.1.0-rc6-1 ... ${Source-Version} = 1.1.0-rc6 and ${Binary-Version} = 1.1.0-rc6-1 ? |
| 10:07.40 | indraveni | how can I create an autorun cd in debian |
| 10:07.45 | jelly | Uatschitchun: don't do that. 1.1.0 < 1.1.0-rc6 |
| 10:08.03 | Uatschitchun | jelly: no, I do: 1.1.0~rc6 for real ;) |
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| 10:08.19 | Uatschitchun | is there a variable Binay-version? |
| 10:08.21 | jelly | Uatschitchun: good ;-) |
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| 10:09.13 | Uatschitchun | say I have a package abc, how does depending on ${abc:Depends} in plugins on that package works? |
| 10:09.36 | Uatschitchun | may I use it or does it need more than just adding ${abc:Depends}? |
| 10:10.12 | jelly | also, |
| 10:10.19 | jelly | !tell Uatschitchun about mentors |
| 10:10.36 | jelly | that channel might be better suited for your packaging needs |
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| 10:11.27 | jelly | sees "Depends: tshark (= ${binary:Version}) " in a nearby control file |
| 10:12.03 | freezer | how to enable ip_tables nat support in kernel? |
| 10:12.07 | jelly | Uatschitchun: so why not just depend on your main package |
| 10:12.11 | freezer | i dont find the option in menuconfig |
| 10:12.57 | Uatschitchun | jelly: cause that does not include the correct version |
| 10:13.13 | Uatschitchun | jelly: it then just depends on that the package is installed, not a specific version |
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| 10:13.39 | jelly | Uatschitchun: note the (= ${binary:Version}) bit |
| 10:14.09 | Uatschitchun | jelly: yes, thx! do you know there's any docu on that? |
| 10:14.22 | markybob | freezer you should look harder. networking->networking options->network package filterning framework |
| 10:14.57 | jelly | Uatschitchun: this is all over my head, try that #debian-mentors instead (or wait for someone competent to appear ;-) |
| 10:14.58 | Uatschitchun | I'll go and ask on debian-mentors |
| 10:15.17 | jelly | it's on that other network |
| 10:15.29 | Uatschitchun | jelly: yeah, I know, thx ;) |
| 10:15.36 | Uatschitchun | jelly: have a nice one still! |
| 10:15.40 | Uatschitchun | bye |
| 10:15.42 | jelly | cheers |
| 10:15.46 | freezer | markybob: i enabled it ... ip tables support is there...but no NAT |
| 10:16.17 | markybob | freezer did you modprobe it? |
| 10:16.51 | freezer | markybob: yes |
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| 10:18.26 | markybob | freezer grep CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:18.42 | mazzanet | lastnode: woo found binary package on snapshots.debian.net |
| 10:19.22 | freezer | markybob: found it ... |
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| 10:19.37 | freezer | thx |
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| 10:23.06 | aurehman_ | Hi... how to install django on debian.. on different port |
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| 10:24.09 | jelly | aurehman_: step 1. set up apache to listen on different port, and configure a vhost there. step 2. install django |
| 10:24.28 | lastnode | mazzanet: great. :) |
| 10:24.54 | aurehman_ | jelly how i can configure a vhost? |
| 10:25.07 | aurehman_ | i have setup apache to listen on different port as well |
| 10:25.48 | aurehman_ | etc/apache2/ports.conf... here i add another port to listen |
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| 10:26.20 | vslash | Maliuta: FYI : about booting trouble from external USB ; you can edit initrd image from other os, and put in back to your debian partition, but to get it work, just re-install lilo boot, which do some update-lilo, and all will be ok. Thanks for your help anyway |
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| 10:29.27 | aurehman_ | jelly plz guide me |
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| 10:30.15 | jelly | aurehman_: I have no time for handholding, sorry. However, you can use /etc/apache2/sites-available/default as a template, copy it, edit to your needs, and symlink it to ../sites-enabled/ when done. if you plan to only have one site, you could just edit that default one |
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| 10:30.58 | aurehman_ | jelly:thanx a lot for your help |
| 10:31.24 | jelly | aurehman: basically you'll need to edit NameVirtualHost * <VirtualHost *> and replace * with ip-address:port |
| 10:31.50 | jelly | there's also #apache |
| 10:32.02 | aurehman | jelly where is Name Virtual Host |
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| 10:34.38 | Bushmills | aurehman: do you know that there is a thing called "documentation"? |
| 10:35.05 | aurehman | Bushmills: yes and i m getting help from it also... thanx for your suggetion.. :) |
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| 10:35.23 | jelly | zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 10:37.08 | Bushmills | seen this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/directives.html ? |
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| 10:39.56 | vsd | do i need acpid running for a lamp server in a VPS? |
| 10:40.01 | darx | hi, i'm trying to calibrate my monitor using monica. The sliders don't seem to be doing anything. http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/dl/monica-3.4_gcc-3.3.5.tar.bz2 here is the binary if anyone needs to confirm. I'm on ati x300 fglrx |
| 10:40.02 | darx | thanks |
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| 10:42.30 | vsd | how do i disable the cdrom and floppy? |
| 10:42.44 | Lagbolt | disable? in what way? |
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| 10:42.47 | Lagbolt | unplug them |
| 10:42.47 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 10:42.58 | streuner | sledgehammer! |
| 10:43.24 | ricosecada | What is wrong with this iptables script? http://pastebin.org/34438 I can ping the machine, but can't use ssh on port 30000, and ssh is setup to use that port. |
| 10:43.32 | streuner | vsd: why? |
| 10:43.52 | vsd | streuner, im running a lamp server i dont need it |
| 10:44.04 | vsd | for extra sec |
| 10:44.10 | streuner | but, it wouldn't hurd too... |
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| 10:49.14 | Bushmills | ricosecada: try to connect with INPUT policy accept |
| 10:49.28 | Bushmills | then you know whether it is an iptables or an ssh issue |
| 10:49.41 | ricosecada | Bushmills, yes |
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| 10:51.26 | vsd | should i use exim or postfix? |
| 10:51.41 | Bushmills | vsd, whatever works better for you |
| 10:52.19 | vsd | Bushmills, im not familiar with any of those |
| 10:52.35 | Bushmills | we're not familiar with your needs |
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| 10:52.53 | vsd | which is easier, simpler to setup? |
| 10:52.58 | Bushmills | either works |
| 10:53.09 | Bushmills | my personal preference is postfix |
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| 10:53.30 | zxd_ | what's the command to reinstall a package |
| 10:53.38 | vsd | Bushmills, can you recommend a tut on setting it up? |
| 10:53.43 | zxd_ | per example i want to reinstall kernel image package so it will edit the menu.lst |
| 10:54.07 | moshii | vsd: read the manuals, the world needs less badly setup mail relays not more |
| 10:54.09 | zxd_ | hmm |
| 10:54.13 | Bushmills | vsd, the postfix config files come primed as commented man pages, and suffice in most cases |
| 10:54.34 | Bushmills | vsd, other then that, you probably want to look at a howto which explains a specific aspect |
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| 10:55.03 | noosphere | is there a way to prevent mke2fs from creating a lost+found dir? |
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| 10:56.50 | zxd_ | how come after installing a new kernel it didnt auto update my grub |
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| 10:58.01 | Bushmills | noosphere: running mke2fs -V won't create that dir |
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| 10:58.19 | noosphere | Bushmills, thanks |
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| 10:58.31 | Bushmills | but also won't create a file system |
| 10:58.36 | slxix | zxd_: did you compile the kernel? |
| 10:58.39 | noosphere | just red man page |
| 10:59.07 | noosphere | s/ed/ead |
| 10:59.11 | zxd_ | slxix, no |
| 10:59.28 | moshii | zxd_: di you install grub after lilo? |
| 10:59.34 | zxd_ | no |
| 10:59.39 | zxd_ | i dont have lilo |
| 10:59.41 | zxd_ | i have grub |
| 10:59.45 | zxd_ | i installed a xen kernel |
| 11:00.14 | slxix | yikes. seems like a lot of people ask for help with xen. |
| 11:00.28 | slxix | has never used it. |
| 11:00.38 | moshii | zxd_: did you check there aren't some xen parts in the menu.lst? |
| 11:00.54 | moshii | zxd_: have you tried running the update script manually |
| 11:01.34 | zxd_ | moshii, yes , just now , it didnt add any kernels |
| 11:01.43 | zxd_ | update-grub |
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| 11:02.07 | zxd_ | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 11:02.18 | zxd_ | no kernels in menu.lst |
| 11:02.26 | moshii | zxd_: you've checked the docs, the bits in the menu.lst file for configuring xen etc? |
| 11:02.37 | zxd_ | no |
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| 11:04.07 | moshii | zxd_: with stuff as complex as xen it does pay to read the stuff in /usr/share/doc, or the wiki pages |
| 11:04.54 | zxd_ | dosen't have any xen stuff in the manuals |
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| 11:05.56 | slxix | zxd_: if you don't mind me asking, why do you use xen? |
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| 11:06.06 | moshii | doesnt the hypervisor load the dom0 kernel anyhow.. ;) |
| 11:06.07 | Dexter_F | hi |
| 11:06.16 | the-dude | docs are a different package |
| 11:06.42 | Stephan | Hello. I have a quick question about disabling the root account. Does anyone here do it and if so, what are the advantages? |
| 11:07.37 | Dexter_F | so during a dist-upgrade power failed. all debs were downloaded and the system was at configuring packages. haven't powered up since then. what would be a good approach? boot a live cd, chroot, aptitude install -f? |
| 11:08.09 | slxix | Stephan: i like to have myself as the only person who can sudo to root and then disable root logins. |
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| 11:08.37 | Dexter_F | why would one wanna disable root? |
| 11:09.43 | Bushmills | Stephan: disabling root makes most sense for remote logins. |
| 11:09.46 | Stephan | Some people I know want to make it so that you can't su to root. I'm not sure of the advantages. I can think of disadvantages, but no advantages yet. Ubuntu sort-of does it, but they are talking about making it so that sudo -s and su - don't work |
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| 11:09.58 | Stephan | Yeah, Bushmills, I think you are right there. |
| 11:10.22 | moshii | Stephan: implement a "wheel" group |
| 11:10.23 | slxix | Stephan: it keeps people from forgetting that they're root and running startx or some such silliness. |
| 11:10.24 | Stephan | What about local logins, can anyone think of any good reasons? The people who want it say that it might block exploits, like the vmsplice one |
| 11:10.32 | extor | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. <--- What is the usual fix for this? |
| 11:10.42 | Bushmills | Stephan: sshd has provisions to disable root logins, ot to allow logins from specific users only |
| 11:10.44 | moshii | Stephan: that wouldn't block the vmsplice exploit |
| 11:11.51 | slxix | disabling root logins shouldn't make you any more secure. |
| 11:11.59 | Stephan | ok, thanks for your help. |
| 11:12.04 | moshii | Stephan: disabling logins ability to create a root shell doesn't processes running as root |
| 11:12.07 | slxix | if so, then there's a bug that needs to be fixed. :P |
| 11:12.39 | moshii | *doesn'T stop |
| 11:12.39 | Stephan | I think that it isn't really possible to disable root fully, and also that Linux is designed to have a root user, so it should probably stay. It might cause issues. |
| 11:13.06 | Bushmills | Stephan: yes, local exploits don't care about login |
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| 11:13.25 | Stephan | The people who are suggesting it says it works fine for Ubuntu, but even there you can sudo -s and you'll have root, so I dunno |
| 11:13.59 | slxix | Stephan: that sort of question is a matter of religion. :) |
| 11:14.04 | Stephan | If one of the advantages is that people can't brute force the password over SSH, allowing key-based logins only is probably the way to go. (where root access is needed if at all) |
| 11:14.13 | moshii | Stephan: ubuntu's stuff is protecting the stupid from themselves |
| 11:14.17 | Stephan | Yeah, it's a tricky subject, because I don't want to rock the boat or upset anyone! |
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| 11:15.15 | elagar | hi... all.. how can i disable the local time at boot? im using ntd but.. at the boot it try to set the local time... |
| 11:15.17 | moshii | Stephan: there is nothing there that prevents a real exploit from working |
| 11:15.19 | Stephan | I'm just writing an e-mail with the advantages and disadvantages and so far don't have many advantages. The thing where people forget that they are root though, that's one. These people shouldn't be doing stuff like that... |
| 11:15.40 | Bushmills | Stephan: disabling password login is a good move |
| 11:15.40 | the-dude | you can avoid root with sudo |
| 11:16.35 | Bushmills | still, i'd consider a machine which allows local users as potentially hacked. |
| 11:16.36 | Stephan | I like sudo too. However, using the same password twice means that with only one password, you can get root. I like the idea of logging in with one password, then using a different password for sudo |
| 11:16.38 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 11:16.41 | Bushmills | broken in to i mean |
| 11:16.56 | Bushmills | didn;t mean to fall into sensation press jargon |
| 11:17.02 | slxix | elagar: find which runlevel you boot into, go to /etc/rc#.d and rename the ntp script from Swhatever to Kwhatever. |
| 11:17.09 | moshii | Stephan: if people really want root they'll search google for a local exploit. |
| 11:17.42 | Stephan | yeah. It would be great not to have local users |
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| 11:17.56 | grul | you should use a vm for each user :O |
| 11:18.02 | moshii | Stephan: if they have access to the machine they can root it manually |
| 11:18.03 | slxix | Stephan: You're a BOFH? :) |
| 11:18.08 | Stephan | :-) |
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| 11:18.11 | pinto3 | speaking of google, do you guys know any way around the invalid cookie search path '/' thing you get every time connecting with lynx? i can't find a way to fix that |
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| 11:18.44 | slxix | pinto, i just hit A once. :) |
| 11:19.43 | moshii | grul: and hope the hypervisor is secure |
| 11:20.00 | slxix | and i probably editted my /etc/lynx.cfg, too. |
| 11:20.10 | Stephan | Thanks for your help everyone. I think I have enough to go on to write this e-mail with the for and against arguments. It's handy to have a couple of hundred extra people's opinions on here! |
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| 11:20.22 | Stephan | I need to head off now. Thanks again. |
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| 11:20.33 | pinto3 | heh, i got most of my basic settings fixed up in that file, it still prompts on cookies for some sites i need, but i couldn't see anything related to that |
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| 11:21.40 | slxix | pinto3: my .lynxrc has accept_all_cookies=on |
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| 11:21.55 | Bushmills | pinto3: not directly related to your cookie problem, just to point out .. you looked at links2, didn't you? |
| 11:21.57 | slxix | i must have found an options screen in lynx. |
| 11:22.08 | pinto3 | i used links before, it has a nice interface |
| 11:22.25 | pinto3 | on some systems only lynx is offered though, so I'm trying to get to know it |
| 11:22.48 | slxix | ahh, i pressed "o" in lynx and changed my settings. |
| 11:25.37 | vsd | do i need klogd running for a lamp server? |
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| 11:25.55 | Bushmills | you probably want to, yes |
| 11:25.56 | abrotman | vsd: need, no, but it's probably a good idea |
| 11:26.00 | Bushmills | !need |
| 11:26.00 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 11:26.06 | slxix | vsd: why do you ask that? |
| 11:26.10 | vsd | abrotman, why is it a good idea? |
| 11:26.15 | abrotman | that's your system logging |
| 11:26.17 | vsd | i'm removing daemons i dont need |
| 11:26.20 | vsd | syslog is |
| 11:26.24 | vsd | not klogd |
| 11:26.38 | liable | sigh |
| 11:26.39 | abrotman | sysklogd ? |
| 11:26.53 | liable | why do you need to remove daemons you dont need? |
| 11:27.07 | vsd | security |
| 11:27.17 | vsd | /var/log/kern.log is klogd ? |
| 11:27.34 | abrotman | that's not an externally listening daeomon |
| 11:27.39 | liable | vsd: where did you get the idea that klogd is a security risk? |
| 11:27.52 | abrotman | it makes disk writes! |
| 11:27.59 | vsd | every unneeded service is a sec risk |
| 11:28.05 | abrotman | it's NOT a service |
| 11:28.06 | slxix | /var/log/kern.log looks like it's from syslog. |
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| 11:28.23 | idimmu | would it be fair to say that as you're unsure about what deamons do, you may also be unsure about reasonable security procedures vsd? |
| 11:28.28 | moshii | vsd: bad security policy is a bigger risk |
| 11:28.32 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 11:28.32 | dpkg | hmm... securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
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| 11:28.48 | liable | vsd: i suggest you rethink your security policy |
| 11:28.50 | slxix | vsd: have you considered a default openbsd install? :) |
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| 11:29.06 | idimmu | go with a newly formatted hdd tbh |
| 11:29.08 | idimmu | and leave it at that |
| 11:29.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:29.23 | vsd | slxix, yes but im not very good with bsd so im trying deb "hardened" |
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| 11:29.36 | Bushmills | removing klogd is a bit akin to removing video cams in the name of security |
| 11:29.51 | slxix | vsd: i don't think their would be much difference in the learning curve. |
| 11:29.52 | vsd | idimmu, maybe |
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| 11:29.57 | moshii | slxix: pretty sure openbsd has those daemons too |
| 11:29.59 | abrotman | vsd: leave it .. |
| 11:30.01 | slxix | ack. i feel my grammar is slipping. |
| 11:30.18 | abrotman | slxix: welcome to IRC |
| 11:30.26 | vsd | where does klogd write to? |
| 11:30.27 | moshii | vsd: there are hardening packages that will ensure you don't install potential problems |
| 11:30.35 | slxix | heheh. |
| 11:30.47 | vsd | i mean i removed acpid since i dont need it on a server |
| 11:30.47 | moshii | vsd: if you don't know what you're doing leave well-enough alone IMHO |
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| 11:30.54 | slxix | abrotman: welcome? this is year 15. :) |
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| 11:31.05 | vsd | moshii, im learning |
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| 11:31.25 | vsd | moshii, can you suggest hardening pkgs? |
| 11:31.27 | moshii | vsd: start by reading up then |
| 11:31.30 | abrotman | vsd: yes, but you're removing things that actually serve a useful purpose just because their a "service" |
| 11:31.40 | moshii | vsd: apt-cache search harden |
| 11:31.42 | vsd | abrotman, like what? |
| 11:31.43 | pinto3 | i used the bastille one, it's alright |
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| 11:31.55 | abrotman | vsd: oh, the thing you just asked about ? |
| 11:31.55 | slxix | vsd: are you trying to secure your debian from outside threats or inside threats? |
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| 11:31.58 | pinto3 | just for a little input |
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| 11:32.06 | Bushmills | vsd: they are forwarded to syslog |
| 11:32.09 | moshii | pinto3: there is a harderned-environment package that conflicts with ftp servers etc :) |
| 11:32.30 | Bushmills | unless file specified |
| 11:33.05 | moshii | pinto3: harden-environment, sorry |
| 11:33.17 | vsd | moshii, i just installed harden but i dont know where it is |
| 11:33.24 | vsd | harden-environment to |
| 11:33.27 | vsd | *too |
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| 11:33.44 | moshii | vsd: you don't know what you're doing then |
| 11:33.51 | vsd | slxix, outside |
| 11:33.55 | moshii | or don't have eyes |
| 11:34.22 | Bushmills | there's a package "bastille" which massages your config files. disadvantage is that one relies too easily on such tools, because they remove the need to patch up the system manually. |
| 11:34.24 | abrotman | vsd: sysklogd and klogd do NOT listen to the outside by default |
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| 11:34.40 | vsd | ok abrotman im not touching those |
| 11:34.47 | Bushmills | and as consequence, doesn't exactly know what their effects are |
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| 11:34.52 | Buck | hey ho |
| 11:35.16 | vsd | besides syslogd and klogd what else should i have on? |
| 11:35.35 | Buck | I was wondering, is there an existing application that forces you to log off after a certain amount of minutes of being ssh'd in (and preferably keeps you out) ? |
| 11:35.40 | abrotman | vsd: it's not a matter of what should be on |
| 11:35.55 | Bushmills | vsd, st like inetd or xinetd would be helpful |
| 11:36.13 | vsd | Bushmills, i dont have any daemons started by inetd |
| 11:36.17 | vsd | so i removed it |
| 11:36.30 | abrotman | vsd: do you actually know which ports are listening externally ? |
| 11:36.36 | moshii | vsd: getting on the debian security announce list would do you more favors to be honest |
| 11:36.47 | vsd | abrotman, no that's 2nd step |
| 11:36.48 | Bushmills | well, some prefer to have services started through those rather than daemonize them - in the name of security |
| 11:37.06 | abrotman | vsd: uh |
| 11:37.10 | pinto3 | there might be a way to do something like that with some firewall rules @ buck |
| 11:37.42 | slxix | vsd: i find hiding behind a NAT to be a very effective firewall. |
| 11:38.03 | vsd | what are the tools installed by the harden pkg? |
| 11:38.12 | moshii | slxix: until someone finds out that malformed packets make it puke |
| 11:38.15 | vsd | slxix, done that |
| 11:38.30 | abrotman | Buck: locks your account if it goes inactive ? |
| 11:40.04 | Buck | abrotman: no |
| 11:40.13 | Buck | pinto3: I guess I could look into that |
| 11:40.18 | vsd | anyone know how to disable the cd and floppy? |
| 11:40.28 | Bushmills | powersurge them? |
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| 11:40.34 | Buck | abrotman: the idea is to limit the amount of time a person could be logged in on any one day |
| 11:40.36 | abrotman | vsd: isn't it going to be in a data center? locked up ? |
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| 11:41.06 | greenmang0 | problem setting up LTSP |
| 11:41.08 | slxix | vsd: why disable when you can remove them? |
| 11:41.09 | Bushmills | i suspect he's locking down his gateway |
| 11:41.15 | Bushmills | thought server before too |
| 11:41.22 | Bushmills | but doesn't appear to |
| 11:41.23 | greenmang0 | i followed the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto |
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| 11:41.27 | Bushmills | (no xinetd services ...) |
| 11:41.39 | greenmang0 | but while booting i get.. nfsmout : need a path |
| 11:41.51 | greenmang0 | what can be the solution? |
| 11:41.56 | abrotman | vsd: disable them in the bios |
| 11:41.58 | moshii | abrotman: not even data centres are safe these days.. |
| 11:42.09 | abrotman | moshii: they take the whole machine :) |
| 11:42.29 | greenmang0 | abrotman: can you please help me? |
| 11:42.30 | abrotman | at which point, i doubt the security of the OS is really the issue |
| 11:42.40 | Bushmills | right |
| 11:42.43 | slxix | abrotman: ah. like storing all your jewelry in a small safe in your living room? :) |
| 11:42.45 | Bushmills | sensitive user data is |
| 11:42.46 | abrotman | greenmang0: never used that |
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| 11:42.54 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ok... |
| 11:43.08 | moshii | abrotman: next he'll be munging up encrypted disks just incase they get stolen |
| 11:43.13 | greenmang0 | !nfsmount : need a path |
| 11:43.42 | vsd | what's hpssd |
| 11:43.42 | abrotman | moshii: don't do that .. he'll be asking how! |
| 11:44.03 | slxix | who doesn't have a thermite mix sitting ontop of their hard drives that mixes together when the computer is being transported? |
| 11:44.04 | Bushmills | greenmang0: have set up the "server" section in dhcpd.conf? |
| 11:44.30 | Bushmills | yes. probably |
| 11:44.46 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: next-server entry do you mean? |
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| 11:44.48 | Legality | Hi |
| 11:44.50 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: it's there |
| 11:44.55 | moshii | vsd: point eyes at screen, use hands to type google, use brain to read. simple process really |
| 11:44.58 | Legality | hey, I need to mount a drive to a temp folder? how to do that? |
| 11:45.03 | Legality | mount device folder? |
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| 11:45.21 | Bushmills | greenmang0: yes, thought so. otherwise you'd not have that error msg, that comes form booting the net-loaded kernel |
| 11:45.24 | slxix | Legality: try it and see. :) |
| 11:45.57 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: my dhcpd.conf file is perfect |
| 11:46.00 | Legality | I did :) but it says mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 11:46.39 | moshii | Legality: type mount and check what's already mount and where |
| 11:46.44 | slxix | is /dev/sda1 already mounted? |
| 11:46.56 | Bushmills | greenmang0: its long while ago that i had set that up, trying to remember .. you're loading a bootstrap loader, such as pxelinux, which in turn loads the boot kernel? |
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| 11:47.27 | greenmang0 | i am using etherboot image |
| 11:47.31 | Legality | slxix: I'm on a rescue mode, I'm trying to see the folders i really have one the box |
| 11:48.00 | slxix | is /mnt empty? |
| 11:48.19 | moshii | slxix: it doesn't need to be |
| 11:48.20 | Bushmills | greenmang0: you might, and i may stay corrected, want to specify a root= or nfsroot= kernel parameter where the kernel boot pars are specified |
| 11:48.21 | Legality | gotcha |
| 11:48.29 | Legality | I forgot I had sw-raid |
| 11:48.37 | Legality | it's actually /dev/mdx that I should mount |
| 11:48.38 | Legality | sry |
| 11:48.42 | slxix | moshii: hmm. i didn't know that. |
| 11:49.44 | slxix | do those files just become inaccessable? :) |
| 11:49.50 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs |
| 11:49.54 | moshii | Legality: hopefully you haven't mashed up your disks by forgetting that ;) |
| 11:51.14 | moshii | slxix: whatever you mount to that mountpoint replaces the tree from that point on |
| 11:51.48 | azeem | moshii: I think slxix was asking a particular question to Legality, not asking in general |
| 11:51.51 | Bushmills | greenmang0: nothing like nfsroot=/nfsroot/common ? |
| 11:52.03 | Bushmills | just looked at my 10 year old config |
| 11:52.11 | slxix | azeem: moshii was right. :) |
| 11:52.17 | azeem | oh well |
| 11:52.30 | moshii | azeem: ner ner heh |
| 11:52.39 | greenmang0 | Bushmills: you know what... sometimes thin client boots...but dosen't boot most of the times with the same configuration |
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| 11:53.11 | slxix | i'm find myself failing to be helpful to most of these problems. |
| 11:53.15 | Bushmills | greenmang0: that;s my old boot config, used with pxelinux: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1210161139908344073.png |
| 11:53.42 | slxix | seems like everything i struggled with is automatically configured now. :P |
| 11:54.06 | slxix | even X is pretty simple. |
| 11:54.45 | Bushmills | slxix: yeah. in most cases just install, and it runs, as it comes preconfigured. |
| 11:54.47 | Bushmills | boring |
| 11:54.48 | Bushmills | :) |
| 11:54.50 | pinto3 | X is pretty good at configuring itself, when i first tried debian 7 years ago it was tough |
| 11:55.04 | slxix | whatever happened to looking up modelines? :) |
| 11:55.12 | moshii | slxix: if things get too easy it won't be nice,.. need to keep the unwashed masses out |
| 11:55.36 | abrotman | sussudio: is piggy broken ? |
| 11:55.37 | moshii | pinto3: xorg even have randr now, woot |
| 11:55.59 | moshii | *has |
| 11:56.00 | mosno | moshii: don't worry, debian will never be noob friendly |
| 11:56.10 | Bushmills | in fact, coming from SLS i was pretty disappointed when i installed debian for the first time |
| 11:56.21 | Bushmills | because it had an install menu |
| 11:56.36 | slxix | SLS? |
| 11:56.42 | moshii | mosno: they'll be a debian based distro covered in shinyness though. and all those idiots will end up here |
| 11:56.45 | Bushmills | soft landing solutions |
| 11:56.46 | mosno | slxix: oldschool distro |
| 11:56.51 | moshii | mosno: there'll |
| 11:56.59 | Bushmills | that's what became slackware |
| 11:57.00 | mosno | moshii: ya think? :) |
| 11:57.11 | slxix | oh wow. there was a distro before slackware? |
| 11:57.21 | Bushmills | i think sls was among the first |
| 11:57.23 | moshii | mosno: yeah, it'll be brown shiny though |
| 11:57.37 | mosno | moshii: symbolic of the polished turd that is GNU/Linux ;) |
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| 11:58.06 | Bushmills | well. no, i know that it was among the first. i don't know whether it was 8the* first |
| 11:58.29 | Bushmills | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System |
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| 11:59.29 | Bushmills | however, it didn't come with an install menu |
| 12:00.53 | Bushmills | ah. MCC Interim was earlier |
| 12:00.57 | slxix | i think debian should occasionally force people to upgrade libc on their own. :) |
| 12:01.04 | Bushmills | and TAMU |
| 12:01.09 | moshii | mosno: i'd say code quality is pretty bad across the board, you just don't get to see apple or microsofts as much |
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| 12:02.05 | mosno | moshii: it was a joke. but now that you mention it, you get to "feel" it on all platforms. |
| 12:02.26 | mosno | i can't talk for mac, haven't used it extensively, but from what i HAVE seen, it's the nicest end-user-desktop experience of all. |
| 12:02.40 | Bushmills | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg linux genealogy chart |
| 12:02.43 | mosno | and i'm a tragic linux fan |
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| 12:03.01 | Legality | mosno: how long have ya used linux? |
| 12:03.05 | moshii | mouse is faster on debian, that's why I like debian |
| 12:03.05 | ApOgEE- | balik umah.. bye |
| 12:03.07 | mosno | Legality: since 2001 |
| 12:03.19 | mosno | maybe earlier actually |
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| 12:03.28 | Legality | so you're pretty familiar playing with it |
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| 12:03.29 | mosno | but only dabbling earlier than 2001 |
| 12:03.31 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 12:03.32 | mosno | Legality: yea |
| 12:03.41 | Haris1 | Does debian support Adaptec's 5805 raid cards? |
| 12:03.43 | mosno | Legality: i'm talking about mac where i'm not familiar |
| 12:03.45 | Legality | 8 years,,, 5 years still to come and then I can play with it with no sweat |
| 12:03.49 | Haris1 | debian's not mentioned on the adaptec page |
| 12:03.50 | mosno | Legality: only had a week with my sister's mac |
| 12:04.03 | Legality | *6-7 years to come i meant |
| 12:04.16 | moshii | Haris1: is there a kernel module for it? do an lspci and plug the result into google |
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| 12:05.31 | slxix | mosno: that doesn't sound legal. :P |
| 12:06.00 | Haris1 | moshii: I don't have it. I'm shopping for it |
| 12:06.08 | Legality | google is great for debugging my gf |
| 12:06.23 | Legality | relationship counselling, google the nagging |
| 12:06.38 | Haris1 | google for relationship counselling? o_O |
| 12:06.43 | mosno | slxix: what did i say? |
| 12:06.45 | Haris1 | O_o |
| 12:06.45 | moshii | Haris1: ok, plug "linux adaptec 5805" into google, you'll find what you need in the first couple results usually |
| 12:06.56 | Legality | sure |
| 12:06.56 | Legality | http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=take+out+the+trash&btnG=Google-haku&meta= |
| 12:07.12 | slxix | mosno: spending a week with your sisters mac. |
| 12:07.15 | Legality | haha http://www.wikihow.com/Take-out-the-Trash |
| 12:07.22 | mosno | slxix: only a true perv would misinterperet that :) |
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| 12:07.58 | slxix | mosno: i didn't ask what you were doing with it.. :) |
| 12:08.00 | moshii | Legality: I have worse, I get do the washing!! the washing machine is in a language I can't read,.. much telling off |
| 12:08.14 | mosno | slxix: touche |
| 12:08.28 | mosno | slxix: even if it was entrapping |
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| 12:08.49 | mosno | i wish GNUstep had more backing |
| 12:08.59 | mosno | that's half decent |
| 12:09.24 | mosno | instead we get GTK/Qt turds |
| 12:09.39 | Bushmills | washing machine code? http://forthfreak.net/snap/1210162152427487821.png |
| 12:09.40 | slxix | isn't GNUstep based on an apple design? |
| 12:09.45 | mosno | slxix: it's similar |
| 12:09.48 | mosno | NeXT |
| 12:10.05 | mosno | for instance, the application shortcut and application taskbar icon are the same thing |
| 12:10.07 | mosno | like on the mac |
| 12:10.13 | mosno | makes more sense when you think about it |
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| 12:10.34 | mosno | ie. you don't have to think where to click depending on if the app is already launched or not |
| 12:10.52 | mosno | as opposed to KDE/Gnome copying the retarded QuickLaunch/Taskbar paradigm of Windows |
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| 12:10.58 | mosno | XFCE too |
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| 12:11.13 | moshii | mosno: atleast you have the choice(tm) |
| 12:11.17 | mosno | ROFL |
| 12:11.21 | Freeaqingme | I just installed openldap, following this tutorial http://www.debuntu.org/ldap-server-and-linux-ldap-clients-p2 . I also installed phpldapadmin to have some gui, I do not seem to be able to login however, only anonymously. If I provide any credentials (the ones that seem right to me), I'm getting this error: Error number: 0x11 (LDAP_UNDEFINED_TYPE) |
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| 12:11.46 | mosno | moshii: one of these days i should choose to be productive |
| 12:12.17 | moshii | mosno: /quit ;) |
| 12:12.22 | mosno | moshii: haha |
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| 12:12.28 | Bushmills | i liked the os/2 workbench. pity that ibm wouldn't gpl that code for an alternative wm |
| 12:12.44 | slxix | /ignore * all |
| 12:12.45 | mosno | BSD would have been fine ;) |
| 12:12.57 | moshii | Bushmills: the code would be filled with os/2 calls.. |
| 12:13.31 | Bushmills | moshii: there should be ways to seperate GUI from OS |
| 12:13.45 | mosno | Bushmills: try bribery |
| 12:13.51 | mosno | shuts up now |
| 12:13.56 | slxix | and a seperate OS from the Kernel? :) |
| 12:14.09 | Bushmills | apt-cache search bribery -> not found :P |
| 12:15.08 | moshii | Bushmills: there are probably a lot less layers you can take apart,.. might as well start from scratch |
| 12:15.29 | Bushmills | moshii: will think about it |
| 12:15.48 | Bushmills | one of the charmes was the relative lean-ness of the GUI |
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| 12:15.55 | moshii | slxix: if you agree with knuth, only stuff that runs in supervisor mode is the os anyhow.. ;) |
| 12:16.28 | moshii | Bushmills: install ratpoison or twm |
| 12:16.28 | slxix | ack. you're getting too low level for me. |
| 12:17.20 | extor | How do I reinstall grub after my whole grub installation is just totally trashed? I booted from a knoppix CD and mounted my volume but it keeps telling me it doesn't like stage1 |
| 12:17.21 | Bushmills | moshii: had done so. |
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| 12:17.43 | stevil | how can i see how many socket i have open, and what the limit is of my max open sockets ? |
| 12:17.44 | Bushmills | also awesome and ion2 |
| 12:17.49 | moshii | slxix: unix has a lot of seperation between things, lots and lots libraries. I doubt os/2 is the same. |
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| 12:18.06 | moshii | stevil: ulimit |
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| 12:18.29 | stevil | moshii: ulimit can display the current amount of sockets open? |
| 12:18.30 | moshii | stevil: sockets are files like everything else in unix |
| 12:19.03 | moshii | stevil: the fdlimit is what you need to be fiddling with |
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| 12:19.34 | Clouclou | hi !:) |
| 12:19.40 | slxix | hello |
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| 12:21.33 | stevil | moshii: thanks |
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| 12:26.32 | atoz | hi all.. |
| 12:26.52 | slxix | hello one |
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| 12:28.32 | atoz | this link to download joomla for debian... |
| 12:28.42 | atoz | http://ubuntu.nad.go.id/download/applikasi/cms/joomla/joomla_1.5.3_all.deb |
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| 12:29.40 | moshii | installing random packages != good idea (tm) |
| 12:29.40 | slxix | yes? |
| 12:30.15 | slxix | moshii: especially ones from a host named ubuntu? :) |
| 12:30.42 | vsd | in /etc/rc2.d/ i have many files that do not startup on boot |
| 12:30.46 | vsd | why are they there? |
| 12:31.07 | atoz | this server on repository ubuntu for Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam in Indonesia... |
| 12:31.08 | moshii | vsd: leave it alone already. you're going to break it |
| 12:31.16 | Bushmills | to stop when you change from runlevel 2 to another |
| 12:31.23 | slxix | vsd: do you mean the ones that start with K? |
| 12:31.24 | rwaite | vsd: do not taunt happy fun /etc/rc2.d |
| 12:31.33 | vsd | moshii, no they start with S |
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| 12:31.52 | Bushmills | wdym. "don't start up"? |
| 12:32.11 | micols__ | anyone recalling what /etc file i have to edit in order to use arrow up to scroll back in buffer in zsh ? so that my cursor position ends at end of line instead of start of line |
| 12:32.17 | slxix | if they start with S then they probably are run. |
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| 12:32.34 | Bushmills | if there's an S, and a num, and a link to a script, the script will be executed |
| 12:32.43 | Bushmills | (if needed) |
| 12:32.59 | moshii | slxix: aside from that, he/she/himshe should just leave them alone |
| 12:33.06 | Bushmills | if not you may have messed up your system |
| 12:33.19 | Bleupomme | Hi I'm having an ftp server problem. I get error 421 if I try to access from outside through the router. |
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| 12:33.37 | Stereo | hello folks |
| 12:33.46 | slxix | moshii: i was hoping for a question to follow. |
| 12:34.02 | Stereo | is there a way to see which packages I've installed from a certain mirror, e.g. backports? I'm running etch. |
| 12:34.07 | moshii | Bleupomme: passive mode enabled, ports not open maybe |
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| 12:34.42 | Bleupomme | moshii: should I disable passive mode? |
| 12:34.56 | rgr_cern | can anyone tell me what to tweak so I get a graphical progress meter at boot rather than pages of technical status text scrolling down the screen? |
| 12:35.14 | moshii | Bleupomme: open the range of ports you've defined for passive connections if they arent open. thats just a guess though |
| 12:35.21 | Bushmills | Stereo: apt-cache policy shows what source matches it, if that's enough |
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| 12:35.41 | Bleupomme | moshii: yes that should be it |
| 12:36.04 | moshii | rgr_cern: install uspalsh, bootsplash or similar. apt-cache search splash |
| 12:36.16 | moshii | rgr_cern: *usplash |
| 12:36.19 | rgr_cern | moshii: thanks |
| 12:36.23 | slxix | Bushmills: that sounds better than removing backports from the apt config and running an update to see what it complains on. :) |
| 12:36.36 | Stereo | Bushmills: I see the source lists and the priorities, but no list of packages |
| 12:36.41 | vlt | Hello. Any idea how to check the SSL cert a remote SMTP server is using? |
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| 12:37.02 | Stereo | slxix: yeah, that's what I was going to try :) |
| 12:37.03 | moshii | rgr_cern: you can get a situation where the splash screen thing prevents the machine from booting though ;) |
| 12:37.05 | Bushmills | Stereo: ah. no. that's per package. you might have to loop thorugh list of package names |
| 12:37.09 | Bushmills | through |
| 12:37.31 | Bushmills | but it accepts a list of package names too |
| 12:38.28 | Bushmills | try apt-cache policy $(dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}') |
| 12:38.58 | Stereo | whoa, | less :) |
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| 12:40.04 | Stereo | or | grep Installed | grep bpo |
| 12:40.30 | Bushmills | sure. whatever works for you |
| 12:40.46 | Stereo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.48 | Stereo | that worked |
| 12:40.51 | Stereo | great :) |
| 12:40.55 | Stereo | thank you Bushmills |
| 12:40.59 | Bushmills | yw |
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| 12:42.06 | vsd | what's this .rnd doing at my ~ |
| 12:42.09 | vsd | ? |
| 12:42.11 | atoz | ya? |
| 12:42.42 | slxix | vsd: i think that was the sign of the infamous internet worm. |
| 12:42.52 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 12:43.04 | vsd | lolwut? |
| 12:43.06 | idimmu | not the robert morris N DESTROY worm? |
| 12:43.23 | moshii | vsd: yeah, you've been hacked |
| 12:43.27 | idimmu | :( |
| 12:43.27 | slxix | runs away. |
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| 12:43.52 | moshii | vsd: you need to install norton cleansweep 2008 to fix it |
| 12:44.16 | Stereo | I wish we had these old worms in a domesticated form in debian |
| 12:44.17 | vsd | moshii, you're like an ubuntu user |
| 12:44.40 | Stereo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:44.44 | idimmu | haha |
| 12:44.45 | rwaite | ha. ubuntu? is that like windows |
| 12:44.58 | moshii | vsd: yeah, I'm hurt |
| 12:45.11 | idimmu | im an ubuntu user :( |
| 12:45.14 | Stereo | swahili for "I can't configure debian", or so the email signature says |
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| 12:46.08 | orveldv | vsd: it's openssl or something ; no need to worry ; sleep tight |
| 12:46.20 | vsd | orveldv, thanks |
| 12:46.20 | idimmu | shakes fist at orveldv |
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| 12:46.38 | slxix | just wait until he finds out what the "or something" means. |
| 12:46.43 | moshii | vsd: you should delete everything on the machine just in case though |
| 12:46.47 | Bushmills | rwaite: no. users are still waiting for the linspire/ubuntu merge. that will become Clickibuntu. |
| 12:46.58 | mosno | Stereo: swahili for "i can't patch Sid in time" |
| 12:47.12 | moshii | Bushmills: will the theme be even browner? |
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| 12:47.23 | vsd | moshii, ill do that. but for the time being just shut it and be on your way |
| 12:47.36 | Bushmills | mishok13: not with the Aerobuntu theme |
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| 12:47.50 | moshii | vsd: just helping with your security mate |
| 12:48.26 | Bushmills | s/mishok13/moshii/ |
| 12:49.23 | slxix | vsd, have you read http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing ? |
| 12:49.25 | moshii | Bushmills: I gave up on shinyness when kde4 turned out shiny but shit |
| 12:49.47 | vsd | slxix, yes in the process of |
| 12:50.20 | moshii | one more spam bot for the pile |
| 12:50.29 | Bushmills | moshii: i find myself sometimes to enjoy some sleek looks for a short time, but the effect fades off quickly. |
| 12:51.03 | Bushmills | same thing with screen effects, transparenct and such |
| 12:51.06 | Bushmills | cy |
| 12:51.19 | moshii | Bushmills: the black plasma them suited my black macbook.. then I realised none of it works so went back to 3.5.9 |
| 12:51.57 | Bushmills | and i can't have too demanding themes or screen gadgeds, my machine isn't really up to it. |
| 12:52.22 | freezer | how can i check that the RTC is active? |
| 12:52.30 | freezer | g: system time went backward by 2 seconds |
| 12:52.31 | freezer | Warning: system time went backward by 3 seconds |
| 12:52.35 | freezer | ive got these messages |
| 12:52.36 | Bushmills | freezer: hwclock |
| 12:52.40 | moshii | freezer: you have ntp running? |
| 12:52.50 | freezer | endofuniverse:/usr/src/linux-2.6.25.2# hwclock |
| 12:52.50 | freezer | Wed 07 May 2008 02:52:44 PM CEST -0.477000 seconds |
| 12:52.57 | freezer | moshii: no |
| 12:53.05 | Bushmills | compare it against ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 12:53.05 | moshii | freezer: I get those messages from dovecot because ntpd is scaling the system time back |
| 12:53.06 | freezer | hm |
| 12:53.13 | freezer | i dont know, maybe it ran through cron |
| 12:53.21 | moshii | freezer: the kernel doesn't use the hardware rtc while running though |
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| 12:53.37 | mistiipu_ | i made a pc share my internet connection by cross cable direct nic to nic connection. it worked. i changed the client pc and its lan card but with same cable and same settings. it was not working. i have checked cable and lan card. both are fine. i think there is some settings in the server (linux) that has been saved for that old pc. when i plug the new pc it says a network cable has ben unplugd? |
| 12:53.41 | freezer | ive compiled kernel 2.6.25.2 |
| 12:53.49 | freezer | the ping ms is rounded now?! |
| 12:54.02 | freezer | 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=100 ms |
| 12:54.03 | freezer | 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=3 ttl=244 time=102 ms |
| 12:54.04 | moshii | freezer: ping isn't in the kernel |
| 12:54.16 | freezer | why is that |
| 12:54.27 | freezer | debian etch |
| 12:54.50 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: unlikely |
| 12:55.01 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills what? |
| 12:55.15 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: "there is some settings in the server (linux) that has been saved for that old pc." |
| 12:55.44 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills i used firestater to share internet |
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| 12:55.52 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills then what can be wrong./ |
| 12:55.54 | mistiipu_ | ? |
| 12:56.39 | slxix | mistiipu_: one computer says the network cable is unplugged. what does the other tell you? |
| 12:56.40 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: a. check whether you have client-server connection. b. verify that your firewall allows your client out (mac filtering,m maybe?) |
| 12:56.53 | mistiipu_ | slxix same |
| 12:57.12 | slxix | bad cable? :) |
| 12:57.19 | moshii | freezer: anyhow, if you're running in a vm or something you can have weird time issues, you should not use ntp in a cronjob use the ntpd, the hw clock is only used to set the intial kernel time. |
| 12:57.44 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills no firewall. i even pluged the 2nd nic to the working pc. only the old nic works. but when i pluge the nic to the server. it works there. |
| 12:58.00 | mistiipu_ | slxix got the same cable working for the old pc |
| 12:58.27 | orveldv | mistiipu_: but is the new nic working? (is it any good) |
| 12:58.42 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: what do you use firestarter for if there is not firewall? |
| 12:58.56 | mistiipu_ | orveldv it works if ipluge it in server and then use the old client. |
| 12:59.08 | Bushmills |  a. check whether you have client-server connection. |
| 12:59.08 | mistiipu_ | but when i plug the nic in old client. it doent work. |
| 12:59.19 | mistiipu_ | the clients builtin nic works |
| 12:59.27 | mistiipu_ | all nicks work. |
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| 12:59.39 | Bushmills | b. verify that whatever you call what firestarter does if its not a firewall allows your client out (mac filtering,m maybe?) |
| 12:59.40 | mistiipu_ | but in client server relation. only my old pc works |
| 12:59.42 | mistiipu_ | not the new one |
| 12:59.47 | moshii | mistiipu_: you've checked you have link and that you can ping the other machine etc? |
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| 12:59.57 | kriston | Why are my custom mouse pointers turning black-and-white in Iceweasel and other apps? |
| 13:00.01 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills i am using firestarter to share internet |
| 13:00.22 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills its a firewall. and i dont know what mac filtering |
| 13:00.43 | moshii | mistiipu_: check that your networking is working before you introduce nat into the problem.. |
| 13:00.44 | mistiipu_ | moshii no. i cant ping. no link up |
| 13:01.05 | moshii | mistiipu_: so it's nothing to do with sharing internet. your network is broken full stop |
| 13:01.09 | mistiipu_ | moshii no. but when i plug the old pc. it gets up |
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| 13:01.19 | mistiipu_ | same setings. same cable |
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| 13:01.26 | moshii | mistiipu_: you're using crossover cables? |
| 13:01.31 | mistiipu_ | moshii what is broken? |
| 13:01.34 | mistiipu_ | moshii yes |
| 13:01.51 | mistiipu_ | moshii i use the same cable to use old pc. it works |
| 13:01.55 | moshii | mistiipu_: maybe this other card doesn't like crossover cables, have you tried a switch? |
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| 13:02.02 | kibibyte | hi i installed gxine but when im playing video from internet i have just black screen and sound |
| 13:02.04 | kibibyte | how to fix it |
| 13:02.21 | moshii | kibibyte: you need a decoder for that video format |
| 13:02.29 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: to share internet, that's 2 commands. firestarter only causes you to not know how to share internet |
| 13:02.48 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: and consequently, not really knowing where to start to debug this |
| 13:02.49 | moshii | kibibyte: if it's from the interweb you probably need the win32 codec |
| 13:02.52 | mistiipu_ | moshii Bushmills either the card dont like cross over. or theres something to do with mac addres.. ????/ |
| 13:03.05 | kibibyte | its some windows stream |
| 13:03.06 | moshii | mistiipu_: you need link first |
| 13:03.10 | kibibyte | moshii, how to install it |
| 13:03.35 | moshii | mistiipu_: run mii-tool as root and tell us what it says |
| 13:04.00 | mistiipu_ | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 13:04.01 | mistiipu_ | eth4: no link |
| 13:04.03 | moshii | kibibyte: google up debian-multimedia, there is a factoid here too but I can't remember it |
| 13:04.13 | kibibyte | ok |
| 13:04.21 | orveldv | mistiipu_: is the new nic detected properly, shows up in "lspci" and all that stuff? |
| 13:04.26 | mistiipu_ | moshii as soon as i pluge the cable to old pc. it gets up and works. |
| 13:04.29 | slxix | mii-tool is a cool program. |
| 13:04.30 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/masq |
| 13:04.30 | moshii | mistiipu_: so as far as the card is concerned the cable is as good as unplugged, there is your problem |
| 13:04.50 | mistiipu_ | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 13:04.50 | mistiipu_ | 04:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 13:05.21 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills what are the possibilities? |
| 13:05.23 | moshii | mistiipu_: i guess the phy in eth4 doesn't like being directly connected to another phy or is just plain broken |
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| 13:05.33 | Bushmills | assuming table policies are - as default - ACCEPT |
| 13:05.39 | slxix | plug a cable from eth4 to eth1 and see if the link goes up? :) |
| 13:05.45 | mistiipu_ | moshii for eth 4 as soon as i pluge the cable to old pc. it gets up and works. |
| 13:06.03 | moshii | Bushmills: problem is lower level than that |
| 13:06.05 | mistiipu_ | slxix ^ |
| 13:06.22 | Bushmills | moshii: that is meant to eliminate firestarter effects |
| 13:06.39 | Bushmills | like possible MAC filtering, or such |
| 13:07.05 | moshii | mistiipu_: ok, so whatever is on the other end of eth4 is unhappy |
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| 13:07.39 | moshii | mistiipu_: the fundemental problem here is that there is no link between those two things |
| 13:07.47 | kibibyte | cani upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 13:07.52 | mistiipu_ | hmm. so is it bad lan card. i dont think so. coz i pluged out nic eth4 of server(thats working with old pc) and pluged in to old pc. it didnt worked |
| 13:08.00 | moshii | kibibyte: yes |
| 13:08.03 | kibibyte | how? |
| 13:08.05 | kibibyte | ;d |
| 13:08.07 | mistiipu_ | moshii for eth 4 as soon as i pluge the cable to old pc. it gets up and works. |
| 13:08.21 | mistiipu_ | moshii Bushmills or may be some mac thing? filtering |
| 13:08.33 | moshii | mistiipu_: what are you pluggingf it into when it doesnt work? |
| 13:08.35 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: show what route -n gives |
| 13:08.39 | mistiipu_ | moshii Bushmills something to do with mac or arp? |
| 13:08.49 | moshii | mistiipu_: mac filter means shit when you have not link |
| 13:08.51 | mistiipu_ | moshii the new pc |
| 13:09.10 | mistiipu_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 13:09.11 | mistiipu_ | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 13:09.11 | mistiipu_ | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth4 |
| 13:09.11 | mistiipu_ | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth1 |
| 13:09.11 | mistiipu_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 13:09.29 | Legality | nice |
| 13:09.36 | kibibyte | moshii, are you using lenny |
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| 13:10.02 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:10.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:10.03 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: your route looks ok |
| 13:10.10 | mistiipu_ | hm |
| 13:10.10 | moshii | kibibyte: right now, netbsd, fc6 and sid.. same screen very confusing |
| 13:10.29 | slxix | maybe you should try using a non-crossover cable to connect them? |
| 13:10.34 | moshii | mistiipu_: you're connecting to the internet through the machine with two nics? |
| 13:10.41 | abrotman | 169.254.x.x .. isn't that the "I can't find a DHCP" thing ? |
| 13:11.03 | moshii | abrotman: zeroconf address thingy isn't it? |
| 13:11.07 | mistiipu_ | moshii no. the server has 2. one for dsl. one for sharing |
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| 13:11.27 | abrotman | moshii: that's what windows gets when it can't find dhcp .. no idea what it really means, never looked into it that much |
| 13:11.29 | slxix | 196.254 are "self assigned" |
| 13:11.38 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills moshii slxix so what can be wrong? |
| 13:11.41 | moshii | mistiipu_: you connect the old pc into eth4 and everything is fine? |
| 13:11.49 | mistiipu_ | moshii yup |
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| 13:12.01 | mistiipu_ | moshii the old pc has a build in nic |
| 13:12.01 | moshii | mistiipu_: the new machine isn't getting a link, you need to fix that |
| 13:12.21 | moshii | mistiipu_: some cards dont like crossover cables |
| 13:12.23 | mistiipu_ | moshii ya. why isnt it geting a link. i have changed 4 nics in new pc |
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| 13:12.49 | moshii | mistiipu_: maybe you need to force some media settings |
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| 13:13.17 | mistiipu_ | moshii i checked those cards by pluging them to the server in eth4 and then conecting to old pc. it works. now if those cards dont like cross. they wouldnt work in that too????? do i have a point? |
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| 13:13.40 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills ^ ? |
| 13:13.52 | slxix | i need a visual refernce of what's going on for troubleshooting |
| 13:13.53 | moshii | mistiipu_: media settings on the new machine then |
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| 13:14.00 | mistiipu_ | moshii whats that? |
| 13:14.04 | kibibyte | Bushmills is whiskey |
| 13:14.17 | Bushmills | it is a town |
| 13:14.26 | moshii | mistiipu_: the speed/duplex of the link |
| 13:14.27 | kibibyte | Bushmills is whiskey a drunk it |
| 13:14.28 | kibibyte | i |
| 13:14.30 | Bushmills | but that town has a distillery |
| 13:14.41 | mistiipu_ | moshii are you sure thats the only problem? |
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| 13:14.47 | kriston | Why are my mouse pointers turning black-and-white in Iceweasel and other apps? |
| 13:14.51 | mistiipu_ | moshii you mean both should have same speed? |
| 13:14.59 | moshii | mistiipu_: you don't have a link, you can't pass ANY data without a link |
| 13:15.01 | Bushmills | kriston: 256 colours? |
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| 13:15.11 | kibibyte | i paid 100 punds for bushmills |
| 13:15.12 | Bushmills | changes color map when moving mouse? |
| 13:15.15 | kibibyte | pounds |
| 13:15.17 | mistiipu_ | moshii you sure its not about mac? |
| 13:15.21 | kriston | Bushmills: Nope, 24-bit color |
| 13:15.29 | mistiipu_ | moshii or firesaterter firewall by which i shared internet |
| 13:15.39 | mistiipu_ | moshii how to check the speed? |
| 13:15.41 | moshii | mistiipu_: you haven't got up to the phy level of the osi yet. |
| 13:16.00 | mistiipu_ | moshii you haven't got up to the phy level of the osi yet. <-? |
| 13:16.02 | moshii | mistiipu_: you dont have a link!! jesus |
| 13:16.20 | moshii | mistiipu_: mii-tool -r eth4 |
| 13:16.25 | mistiipu_ | moshii oh.. so mac and firestarter wont matter |
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| 13:16.40 | moshii | mistiipu_: or mii-tool -w eth4 and plug the cable in and out a few times |
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| 13:17.00 | kriston | In Pidgin's buddy list window the mouse cursors are okay, but in the Pidgin instant message or IRC window the mouse cursors turn black-and-white. |
| 13:17.05 | orveldv | mistiipu_: while testing, disable any firewall (or better tell it to accept everything) and only see if you can ping |
| 13:17.08 | mistiipu_ | $ sudo mii-tool -r eth4 |
| 13:17.08 | mistiipu_ | restarting autonegotiation... |
| 13:17.08 | mistiipu_ | user1@computer1:~$ |
| 13:17.24 | moshii | mistiipu_: yes, as far as the nics are concerned there is no cable, mac filtering doesn't matter at this stage |
| 13:17.41 | moshii | mistiipu_: now mii-tool eht4 |
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| 13:17.51 | moshii | mistiipu_: eth4 |
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| 13:18.12 | slxix | hm. i think one of the problems is the unimaginitive names of the user and computer. |
| 13:18.15 | mistiipu_ | 18:17:24 eth4: no link |
| 13:18.31 | moshii | mistiipu_: what is the other box running? |
| 13:18.40 | mistiipu_ | win xp |
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| 13:18.56 | moshii | mistiipu_: you probably have some manky settings there then |
| 13:19.05 | yggshack_ | hi dumb qeustion here, how do make the character for up arrow in irssi with a cli box. |
| 13:19.17 | slxix | win xp has ipconfig, right? |
| 13:19.20 | mistiipu_ | moshii those manky settings get the old pc up |
| 13:19.32 | slxix | yggshack_: huh? |
| 13:19.34 | moshii | slxix: i think it's more to do with the nics media settings |
| 13:19.43 | moshii | mistiipu_: I don't mean ip setting etc |
| 13:19.48 | mistiipu_ | moshii then? |
| 13:20.02 | moshii | mistiipu_: your media(read cable) settings |
| 13:20.07 | mistiipu_ | moshii what kind of? and how to change them |
| 13:20.14 | yggshack_ | â |
| 13:20.21 | moshii | mistiipu_: I don't support windows |
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| 13:20.24 | yggshack_ | how do i do that without a gui. |
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| 13:20.33 | mistiipu_ | moshii ok how can i in linux? |
| 13:20.48 | slxix | yggshack_: have you used the alt-### "codes"? |
| 13:20.52 | moshii | mistiipu_: mii-tool or ethtool |
| 13:21.03 | yggshack_ | ill try it so its just alt and the utf number ? |
| 13:21.15 | moshii | mistiipu_: try mii-tool -R eth4, see if you can get autoconf working |
| 13:21.19 | Eulex | hmm, I suddenly have 14 new network interfaces: nr0 through nr3, with Link encap:AMPR NET/ROM and rose0 through rose9, with Link encap:AMPR ROSE. does anyone have any idea why that might be? |
| 13:21.31 | yggshack_ | it is 2191 |
| 13:21.35 | yggshack_ | 2191 |
| 13:21.40 | slxix | yggshack_: i'm not too sure nowadays. i don't remember the up arrow being a symbol... |
| 13:21.47 | yggshack_ | haha |
| 13:21.51 | yggshack_ | ok thanks ill figure it out |
| 13:21.53 | slxix | it used to be just 000-255 |
| 13:21.56 | mistiipu_ | moshii $ sudo mii-tool -R eth4 |
| 13:21.57 | mistiipu_ | resetting the transceiver... |
| 13:21.59 | yggshack_ | just thought somone would whitp it out |
| 13:22.15 | mistiipu_ | moshii how can i see change media settings? |
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| 13:22.49 | moshii | mistiipu_: you can't just randomly change then, they need to be the same at each end. they should autoconfigure anyway |
| 13:23.14 | moshii | mistiipu_: if you run mii-tool -w eth4 and plug the cable in and out does it say anything? |
| 13:23.16 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills slxix and yes. if i buy a switch. will the issure be solved for good. media speed settings or nic hating cross cable? |
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| 13:23.58 | mistiipu_ | moshii user1@computer1:~$ sudo mii-tool -w eth4 |
| 13:23.59 | mistiipu_ | 18:17:24 eth4: no link |
| 13:23.59 | mistiipu_ | 18:21:35 eth4: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link |
| 13:24.19 | moshii | mistiipu_: if you buy a switch autoconfiguration is more likely to work |
| 13:24.26 | Bushmills | mistiipu_: probably not. in terms of signal, the switch does about the same to the nic as the crossover cable does |
| 13:24.41 | mistiipu_ | hm |
| 13:24.47 | moshii | mistiipu_: ok, so something is happening there |
| 13:24.53 | mistiipu_ | moshii hm. |
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| 13:24.59 | mistiipu_ | Bushmills ic |
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| 13:25.20 | slxix | have you plugged the new computer ethernet into eth1 ? :) |
| 13:25.31 | mistiipu_ | moshii so its 10 mb . and the client nic should be set to 10 too? any thing else |
| 13:25.32 | mistiipu_ | ? |
| 13:25.39 | mistiipu_ | slxix no. |
| 13:25.47 | mistiipu_ | slxix eth1 is dsl |
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| 13:26.11 | moshii | mistiipu_: thats the nic trying the lowest base settings it has to try and create a link to the other nic |
| 13:26.11 | slxix | dsl and not ethernet? |
| 13:26.34 | moshii | mistiipu_: notice it says no link at the end |
| 13:26.37 | mistiipu_ | slxix dsl by a router |
| 13:26.42 | mistiipu_ | moshii ya |
| 13:26.46 | mistiipu_ | moshii so? |
| 13:26.59 | slxix | try using eth4 for dsl and eth1 for the new computer? :) |
| 13:27.04 | moshii | mistiipu_: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325487 i would say |
| 13:27.29 | mistiipu_ | slxix hm.. ill try i think |
| 13:27.30 | lastnode | no one is gonna sleep tonight :) |
| 13:27.56 | mistiipu_ | moshii i will but what do you expect. its only about media speed? |
| 13:27.58 | moshii | mistiipu_: I think windows is probably trying to use fullduplex or something silly |
| 13:28.10 | mistiipu_ | moshii your right |
| 13:28.21 | mistiipu_ | moshii my eth4 is half duplex and 10mb ? |
| 13:28.33 | mistiipu_ | moshii my eth4 is half duplex and 10mb ? and i should set the same for the client nic ? |
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| 13:29.09 | slxix | what would be wrong with full duplex on a crossover cable? |
| 13:29.10 | moshii | mistiipu_: you shouldn't need to. the nics should work it out themselves |
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| 13:32.42 | moshii | slxix: shouldnt be a problem, but network cards are weird |
| 13:33.14 | moshii | slxix: they should be configuring themselves, but it appears they aren't ;) |
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| 13:33.16 | mistiipu_ | moshii ya. i just saw the client new pc nic is on auto detect duplex and speed |
| 13:33.21 | mistiipu_ | moshii so whats wrong now>? |
| 13:34.12 | slxix | did you try connecting dsl to eth4, yet? :) |
| 13:34.13 | moshii | mistiipu_: it should be to be honest. try disabling and enabling it on windows. running mii-tool -w eth4 on the other machine while you do it |
| 13:34.33 | mistiipu_ | moshii no use. done |
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| 13:34.39 | moshii | slxix: i guess his current connection is there ;) |
| 13:34.40 | adema | hello |
| 13:34.46 | mistiipu_ | slxix nop. i think iam going to.. |
| 13:34.50 | mistiipu_ | moshii brb. |
| 13:34.51 | mistiipu_ | thx |
| 13:34.52 | mistiipu_ | .. |
| 13:34.54 | adema | i need some help with two bridges :/ |
| 13:35.03 | moshii | mistiipu_: no output on the linux machine? |
| 13:35.05 | adema | here is interfaces file : http://rafb.net/p/ZFjBGo45.html |
| 13:35.06 | slxix | moshii: oh. right. don't be obvious.... ;) |
| 13:35.12 | adema | is there something wrong ? |
| 13:35.15 | mistiipu_ | moshii same |
| 13:35.49 | moshii | mistiipu_: mmm, reboot the windows machine |
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| 13:36.12 | moshii | mistiipu_: keep mii-tool -w eth4 running while you do that |
| 13:37.48 | slxix | i learned an important lesson doing something like that. i ssh'd into one of my computers and for some reason i had the need to temporarily take down the network connection. |
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| 13:38.10 | fixed_ | hi people |
| 13:38.15 | lastnode | hi fixed_ |
| 13:38.39 | mistiipu | LOLZZZ |
| 13:38.49 | moshii | mistiipu_: fixed? |
| 13:38.49 | mistiipu | well, again lolzzz |
| 13:38.55 | mistiipu | well. once again. |
| 13:39.00 | mistiipu | yup........ |
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| 13:39.11 | mistiipu | ah.. lolz for a third time actually. |
| 13:39.11 | moshii | mistiipu_: you had the wrong cable plugged in? |
| 13:39.11 | fixed_ | adding to /etc/locale.alias and running `dpkg-reconfigure locales` isn't working |
| 13:39.28 | fixed_ | `locale -a` doesn't list my added locale |
| 13:39.45 | fixed_ | how can I add an alias? |
| 13:40.01 | slxix | mistiipu_: what magic fixed it? |
| 13:40.03 | mistiipu | moshii no.. i just used eth1 and changed ip settings . (exchanged the sharing with dsl setings) changed nic actualy. as slxix said. and its working. i think it was something about nic compatibility |
| 13:40.11 | mistiipu | slxix ^ |
| 13:40.28 | moshii | mistiipu: I said that a lot of times |
| 13:40.35 | slxix | takes full credit. |
| 13:40.51 | slxix | scrams. :) |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | fixed_: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. pick the ones you want to generate |
| 13:41.14 | mistiipu | moshii well i did changed nics for "sharing"... but those were not built in ofcourse. this time i used the builtin nic "for the server" |
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| 13:41.47 | Juventino | hello |
| 13:41.52 | Juventino | i have a quick question |
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| 13:42.05 | Juventino | is it possible to install nvidia's driver on a sid? |
| 13:42.09 | freezer | no |
| 13:42.27 | mistiipu | moshii slxix Bushmills thanks all. and every one else.. thanks :) |
| 13:42.36 | moshii | mistiipu: you know how to use mii-tool now though. you'll be able to debug network issues easier ;) |
| 13:42.36 | adema | so |
| 13:42.43 | Juventino | freezer, hmm any given reason? |
| 13:42.48 | freezer | no |
| 13:42.48 | adema | noonve ever set up a bridge between network interfaces ? |
| 13:42.49 | mistiipu | moshii iam a big noob |
| 13:42.54 | freezer | sid is broken |
| 13:42.58 | freezer | always |
| 13:43.00 | mistiipu | moshii i dont know how i got this far |
| 13:43.02 | freezer | so good luck |
| 13:43.06 | mistiipu | moshii may be i dont quite |
| 13:43.13 | fixed_ | abrotman: I did it |
| 13:43.13 | Juventino | freezer, i tried m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 13:43.26 | Juventino | freezer, that's the correct command, right? |
| 13:43.35 | fixed_ | abrotman: `locale -a` doesn't show my new locale alias |
| 13:43.40 | freezer | Juventino: dunno, havent used nvidia for a very long time |
| 13:43.45 | lastnode | Juventino: depends on what your source is called |
| 13:43.47 | freezer | Juventino: ya should work |
| 13:43.52 | fixed_ | abrotman: I added to /etc/locale.alias |
| 13:43.54 | lastnode | *module |
| 13:44.18 | Juventino | lastnode, well i tried m-a a-i nvidia on etch, it worked like charm |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:44.23 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | !tell Juventino about nvidia_post_etch |
| 13:44.33 | mistiipu | moshii slxix you used firestarter? iam using it to share internet. good idea? or if shift to 2 cross over cables. two nics on server and 2 pcs? switch is good idea but i only have 2 pcs |
| 13:45.03 | abrotman | fixed_: what's in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 13:45.26 | Juventino | ok thanks a million abrotman |
| 13:45.29 | fixed_ | I have pt_PT and en_US |
| 13:45.30 | Juventino | i'll try that |
| 13:45.35 | slxix | i use iptables. i might try firestarter one day. |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | fixed_: i don't think you're supposed to be editing the locale.alias |
| 13:45.57 | fixed_ | and have added 'pt pt_PT.ISO-8859-1' to locale.alias |
| 13:46.04 | themill | Juventino: /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 13:46.05 | abrotman | fixed_: which version of debian ? |
| 13:46.35 | fixed_ | 4.0 |
| 13:46.37 | Juventino | but i'm trying to install it on Sidux |
| 13:46.40 | Juventino | not etch |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | then ask #sidux .. not us |
| 13:46.54 | lastnode | well played |
| 13:46.59 | Juventino | isn't sidux a debian/sid? |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | in locale.gen is supposed to be the full alias |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | Juventino: if you want Debian .. install Debian |
| 13:47.25 | lastnode | Juventino: no. |
| 13:47.28 | fixed_ | en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 13:47.29 | fixed_ | pt_PT ISO-8859-1 |
| 13:47.34 | Juventino | abrotman i already have debian :) |
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| 13:47.47 | BubbaT | OK anyone know where I can find documentation on how to use cdebootstrap? |
| 13:47.49 | fixed_ | portuguese pt_PT.ISO-8859-1 |
| 13:47.50 | fixed_ | pt pt_PT.ISO-8859-1 |
| 13:47.51 | Juventino | lastnode yes it is |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | Juventino: sidux is NOT debian |
| 13:47.58 | fixed_ | locale.alias this last one |
| 13:47.59 | vjoe | hey |
| 13:47.59 | lastnode | Juventino: no it isn't. |
| 13:48.04 | azeem | Juventino: put the content of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
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| 13:48.06 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 13:48.06 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:48.16 | lastnode | !sidux |
| 13:48.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
| 13:48.29 | fixed_ | I have portuguese on the `locale -a` output |
| 13:48.29 | fixed_ | but not pt |
| 13:48.31 | Juventino | lastnode believe it now? |
| 13:48.34 | lastnode | Juventino: ^^ "based" |
| 13:48.47 | lastnode | Juventino: it is not Debian, and hence is not supported on this channel |
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| 13:49.09 | Juventino | ok thnx anyway for all the help guys |
| 13:49.20 | lastnode | there is no way we can keep track of every single debian based distro out there |
| 13:49.24 | lastnode | as abrotman suggested, try #sidux |
| 13:49.33 | Juventino | lastnode will do thnx :) |
| 13:49.34 | lastnode | if you have a problem with debian sid, we'd be happy to help. |
| 13:49.41 | lastnode | ok, have a great day |
| 13:49.42 | azeem | actually, no |
| 13:49.48 | Juventino | but it's not on freenode, is it? |
| 13:49.48 | azeem | sid isn't generally supported here |
| 13:49.52 | lastnode | yeah actaulyl sid is "walsy broken" |
| 13:49.54 | lastnode | *always broken |
| 13:49.58 | lastnode | what azeem said, m ybad |
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| 13:50.09 | lastnode | Juventino: i have no idea where it is. google is your friend :) |
| 13:50.19 | slxix | do we support lenny? :) |
| 13:50.20 | Juventino | so you guys think i should get rid of Sidux? |
| 13:50.44 | azeem | Juventino: no, we just think you should go elsewhere for support |
| 13:50.52 | azeem | Juventino: or pastebin your sources.list |
| 13:50.55 | Juventino | azeem ok thnx :) |
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| 13:51.02 | lastnode | Juventino: personally, id advise an install of debian lenny (testing). it's a good balance of bleeding edge, and stability. of course, for a server, id only recommend etch |
| 13:51.11 | Juventino | azeem, i'm not on the sidux pc at the moment |
| 13:51.18 | lastnode | Juventino: for stuff lik envidia drivers and stuff, sid is kinda a nightmare |
| 13:51.22 | Juventino | lastnode i only have 2 pcs |
| 13:51.24 | BubbaT | We do not support squiggy for sure. |
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| 13:51.33 | Juventino | lastnode yea i noticed |
| 13:51.43 | Juventino | i mean on etch it was a on step thing |
| 13:51.54 | lastnode | Juventino: that's because sid is 'unstable', where new packages are dropped |
| 13:51.55 | Juventino | but on sid, i've been trying for a few days |
| 13:52.09 | Juventino | lastnode, the problem is with the kernel i guess |
| 13:52.11 | lastnode | Juventino: etch (stable) -> lenny (testing) -> sid (unstable) |
| 13:52.18 | lastnode | Juventino: what kernel are you running? |
| 13:52.24 | Juventino | there is no driver for the current kernel of sidux |
| 13:52.24 | Juventino | hmm |
| 13:52.31 | Juventino | on sidux i guess it's 2.6.23 |
| 13:52.32 | lastnode | Juventino: you need to install a new kernel moduel for every new kernel you get, you know that, right? |
| 13:52.44 | Juventino | on etch it's 2.6.18 |
| 13:52.47 | lastnode | Juventino: im running 2.6.24 on lenny right now, and i use custom kernel modules too. |
| 13:53.13 | Juventino | lastnode i don't know a lot about that sorry, i'm a noob, i started using linux like 3 months ago |
| 13:53.29 | fixed_ | abrotman: ok, I've just tested it on 3.1 and it works |
| 13:53.31 | lastnode | Juventino: then you are in teh right place. :) just get a debian install so we can help you out, mate |
| 13:53.43 | fixed_ | abrotman: not working on 4.0 |
| 13:53.45 | Juventino | lastnode i do have etch installed :D |
| 13:53.55 | lastnode | right |
| 13:54.02 | lastnode | so nvidia works on that? |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | fixed_: what if you run locale-gen manually ? |
| 13:54.09 | Juventino | yes perfectly |
| 13:54.14 | Juventino | i even got beryl to work there |
| 13:54.17 | lastnode | as azeem said, we dont usualyl help with sid, because it's kinda difficult, it's in constant flux |
| 13:54.19 | fixed_ | abrotman: I add to /etc/locale.alias and run `dpkg-reconfigure locales` and the new alias appears on `locale -a` output |
| 13:54.28 | lastnode | Juventino: so for your bleedng edge box, id suggest lenny |
| 13:54.36 | fixed_ | abrotman: doesn't do it |
| 13:54.40 | fixed_ | abrotman: tried that |
| 13:54.41 | lastnode | you can always bring in sid packages with apt-pinning (more on that later, taht's for your readingng) |
| 13:54.44 | lastnode | :) |
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| 13:54.59 | vsd | if i do purge, it does not leave anything of the selected program? |
| 13:55.00 | Juventino | lastnode i'll look it up :) |
| 13:55.03 | lastnode | Juventino: sid is mainly for people who take part int he dev process. like developers, bug triagers etc |
| 13:55.10 | Juventino | there's also that unstable package on sidux.. |
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| 13:55.15 | lastnode | cool, good luck Juventino :) |
| 13:55.24 | Juventino | thnx |
| 13:55.29 | abrotman | fixed_: what if you move the locale.gen .. and then run dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 13:55.35 | Juventino | actually Sidux was recommened to me by a friend |
| 13:55.40 | Juventino | was my 1st distro |
| 13:55.44 | azeem | we recommend lenny |
| 13:55.49 | Timothy | hey, I have configured eth0 and 2 virtual interfaces eth0:0 and eth0:1, but the virtual interfaces don't come up on boot. How can I get them to come up on boot? |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | Timothy: auth <interface> |
| 13:56.01 | Juventino | so i didn't really know what i was getting :) |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | erm .. auto |
| 13:56.22 | Timothy | abrotman, ah thanks! |
| 13:56.41 | fixed_ | abrotman: no, doesn't do it |
| 13:56.55 | Juventino | ok guys time for me to go, but sure i'll be coming back later :D |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | fixed_: try a -plow |
| 13:57.04 | Juventino | take care you all, and thnx for the advices |
| 13:57.05 | fixed_ | did it |
| 13:57.06 | BubbaT | Back to my question--documentation cdebootstrap? |
| 13:57.11 | lastnode | np Juventino , laters |
| 13:57.22 | lastnode | BubbaT: ive only used deboostrap. try google. |
| 13:57.28 | fixed_ | I think this might be a bug/feature |
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| 13:57.28 | lastnode | or try /msg dpkg <your topic> |
| 13:57.42 | liable | BubbaT: no real docs for a lot of debian internals. |
| 13:57.50 | enouf | what's the best way to clear my 'apt-cache .. ' from displaying non-existant pkgs when using "dpkg -l lvm*" (as an example)? I realize many listed were at one time avail, but either have been merged, repackaged, renamed, etc... If you look at this; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1010529 you'll get exactly what i mean, .. |
| 13:57.52 | timonator | i have a filesystem that's 50% full (says df), but i can't put anything onto it, as i get the "no space left on device" error. i set the number or reserved blocks to 0 with tune2fs, but it didn't help :( |
| 13:58.00 | liable | BubbaT: theres the headers and source, and they arent much help |
| 13:58.01 | enouf | i've looked in man apt-cache (and tried the 'gencaches', and the referenced, 'apt-get update' command). I'm using a stale lenny/sid mix - and this system started out as sarge |
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| 13:58.48 | slxix | timonator: are you sure you're writing to the 50% filesystem? |
| 13:58.51 | liable | BubbaT: going by my attempts at finding cdebconf docs anyway.. |
| 13:59.20 | enouf | will perhaps debfoster and deborphan help out here? |
| 13:59.24 | timonator | yes, 100% sure |
| 13:59.26 | fixed_ | abrotman: do you have a 4.0 on which to try it yourself? |
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| 13:59.50 | abrotman | fixed_: i have many here .. and i've not had that issue |
| 13:59.54 | slxix | can you write to it as root? |
| 13:59.55 | enouf | timonator: any LVM or RAID involved? |
| 14:00.04 | timonator | yes, it's inside an LVM volume |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | fixed_: but i also didn't try to use the locale.alias |
| 14:00.38 | fixed_ | abrotman: try adding 'en' for example as an alias and running `dpkg-reconfigure locales` if you please |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | en what? |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | en isn't a full locale |
| 14:01.03 | fixed_ | en en_US.ISO-8859-1 |
| 14:01.07 | fixed_ | to /etc/locale.alias |
| 14:01.13 | h0ax | Anyone know what i can do with a domain i have.. something debian orientated |
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| 14:01.31 | liable | h0ax: host a mirror? |
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| 14:01.39 | fixed_ | 'en' or 'english' |
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| 14:01.42 | fixed_ | whatever |
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| 14:02.03 | h0ax | liable i dont have the bandwidth for that |
| 14:02.11 | enouf | timonator: very possible you're either a) out of PEs or b) you need to extend a LV, or similar - i'm not well versed on these things, but i've been lately reviewing http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-5-manual/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/LV_create.html and http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/raid-lvm.php - perhaps they can help a bit |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | fixed_: well, i didn't get it the list .. but it is generating the locale i awnted |
| 14:02.34 | timonator | hmm, ok thanks, i'll see into that |
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| 14:03.05 | enouf | timonator: as well as http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2/index.html |
| 14:03.16 | liable | h0ax: write some crappy howtos for debian then :) |
| 14:03.26 | liable | h0ax: thats what i do ;) |
| 14:03.36 | h0ax | liable i was thinking , a debian command reference |
| 14:03.43 | liable | so do that |
| 14:03.45 | h0ax | and a debian reference |
| 14:03.46 | fixed_ | abrotman: did the new alias appeared on `locale -a` or not? |
| 14:03.53 | h0ax | but .. i want something .. someone will use |
| 14:03.57 | slxix | yeah, focus on those newfangled commands that nobody tells me about :) |
| 14:04.10 | shingouz | if i have a booting system and i only edit the /boot/menu.lst, do i have to run some grub command like after editing lilo.conf, i have to rerun lilo? |
| 14:04.13 | slxix | like mii-tool and those update commands. |
| 14:04.28 | abrotman | fixed_: apparently not |
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| 14:04.43 | fixed_ | it might be bug/feature then |
| 14:04.46 | enouf | slxix: iinm, mii-tool is replaced by ethtool |
| 14:04.57 | abrotman | fixed_: or we're doing it wrong :) |
| 14:05.07 | fixed_ | I did it on 3.1 |
| 14:05.11 | fixed_ | it worked |
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| 14:06.22 | Stephan_ | Does anyone know if it is possible to make sudo require the root password of the server? I know that sounds a bit odd, but I want to have 2 levels of passwords, but still use sudo to have the audit trail |
| 14:06.31 | Stephan_ | I'm sure I read about it somewhere on the Internet, but I can't find it anywhere |
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| 14:06.39 | liable | shingouz: nope. grub reads it unlike lilo which stores it in the mbr |
| 14:06.58 | Stephan_ | so, ssh me@server <normal password> . sudo command <root password> |
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| 14:07.33 | liable | shingouz: but, if you change disks and shit, thats a different story |
| 14:07.42 | Stephan_ | ok, I'm a timewaster, just found the answer I think. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/sudo-annoyances-458067/ |
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| 14:07.48 | Stephan_ | I'll go and give that a shot |
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| 14:07.54 | enouf | well, right, sudo commands run get logeed to /var/log/auth* - but perhaps you want to look into how /etc/pam.d/* play roles in authentication, especially when using shadow passwds, but there are also ssh/sshd aspects in that dir/ |
| 14:07.58 | fixed_ | abrotman: tried on another 4.0 |
| 14:08.03 | fixed_ | abrotman: doesnt work |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | fixed_: bugs.debian.org/locales ? |
| 14:08.17 | XTZGZoReX | A script with "while true do" as the first line will run forever, won't it? |
| 14:08.21 | shingouz | liable: just took out some fancy root=UUID=hex-crap and changed it to a real device :) |
| 14:08.32 | enouf | shingouz: haha |
| 14:08.42 | Stephan_ | enouf, thanks |
| 14:08.46 | enouf | ubuntu-ism |
| 14:08.52 | fixed_ | abrotman: seeing it now |
| 14:08.57 | liable | shingouz: should be fine |
| 14:09.23 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: as second line. and missing a ; . you can also use while : ; do ... |
| 14:09.23 | slxix | Stephan_: man sudo seems to think there's a way |
| 14:09.24 | shingouz | enouf: very much that. liable i'll cross my fingers and do a shutdown -r on the box |
| 14:09.38 | enouf | shingouz: maybe man update-grub, but also note your "# kopt= ..." line in menu.lst |
| 14:09.44 | XTZGZoReX | Bushmills: K |
| 14:09.50 | XTZGZoReX | Bushmills: thanks |
| 14:09.57 | Bushmills | yw |
| 14:10.03 | shingouz | enouf: kopt was changed to the same /dev/sda1 as the UUID-crap |
| 14:10.06 | enouf | shingouz: and naturally your kernel lines - oh, and you /etc/fstab |
| 14:10.23 | liable | shouldn't be an issue |
| 14:10.25 | shingouz | enouf: fstab has been edited ages ago :) |
| 14:10.37 | enouf | shingouz: ls -l /dev/disk/by-* and check for stale entried in /etc/blkid.tab |
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| 14:11.08 | shingouz | let the box boot up first, guys! :D |
| 14:11.20 | n0mad | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.32 | enouf | well, iptables -L |
| 14:11.32 | aib42_ | what's the debian command to install a base system on a target directory? |
| 14:11.38 | enouf | IIRC |
| 14:11.46 | Bushmills | n0mad: in a script of your choice |
| 14:11.46 | liable | shingouz: only thing to note may be the ##kopt lines for when a new kernel gets installed. |
| 14:11.46 | liable | !ping |
| 14:11.46 | dpkg | pong |
| 14:11.51 | enouf | chroot and debootstrap? |
| 14:11.58 | aib42_ | debootstrap, thanks |
| 14:12.11 | Bushmills | n0mad: unless you mean "where after loading them" |
| 14:12.25 | n0mad | and that and that |
| 14:12.27 | shingouz | liable: already changed to the /dev/sda1 here. looks like the computer works now, thanks. |
| 14:12.41 | liable | shingouz: sweet |
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| 14:13.02 | dam85 | hello |
| 14:13.07 | dam85 | i upgrade to debian sid |
| 14:13.13 | dam85 | but xorg seems to be broken |
| 14:13.21 | dam85 | when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:13.31 | shingouz | i had to install the buntu system off a backup to check something on the original system about 5000 miles away. the owner of the computer is a total noob and cannot get the modem to work. no modem = no ssh = no remote fix |
| 14:13.31 | dam85 | i can set only keyboard and mouse |
| 14:13.35 | zeitsofas | Hello @ all after upgrade from sagre to lenny i have errr with exim4 http://pastebin.com/m6c727b88 - i have read something about that but i dont understand what is the solution :/ did anyone have an idea ? |
| 14:13.38 | dam85 | what can i do? |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | dam85: define broken |
| 14:14.01 | enouf | shingouz: just to follow up, you did not remove the leading # from the kopt= line , correct? |
| 14:14.15 | shingouz | enouf: nope, the # is still there |
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| 14:14.22 | enouf | attaboy ;-) |
| 14:14.23 | n0mad | i mean after fresh system install; is there some rules ? |
| 14:14.28 | shingouz | i *did* read the comments on the file :) |
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| 14:14.45 | dam85 | abrotman: when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i can configure ONLY keyboard and mouse |
| 14:14.45 | enouf | bingo - so many people do not read/notice that |
| 14:15.06 | abrotman | dam85: i told the maintainer the other day, and it's been fixed upstream, but he didn't give me a workaround |
| 14:15.21 | shingouz | enouf: rtfm is something that helps. and that is speaking from personal experience |
| 14:15.29 | XTZGZoReX | PID1=(pidof ${"some-program"}) --- I was wondering, how will this turn out if I have multiple processes of the same app running? |
| 14:15.31 | dam85 | aah good |
| 14:15.31 | enouf | dam85: someone i know also can get d-r x-x to work, but they installed X after an entire install |
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| 14:15.45 | dam85 | so is fixed but there isn't on repository ? |
| 14:15.47 | enouf | ok, so likely a bug |
| 14:15.48 | slxix | Stephan_: stephan ALL = ALL, rootpw, insults |
| 14:15.55 | slxix | no promises if it works or not. :) |
| 14:16.05 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: will give an error because not quoted |
| 14:16.08 | Stephan_ | Thank you :-) I'm just giving stuff a go, but it's not working yet |
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| 14:16.12 | Bushmills | oh |
| 14:16.13 | Bushmills | sorry |
| 14:16.13 | abrotman | dam85: i don't think it's made it that far yet .. uhm .. let me see if i can find it in the git stuff |
| 14:16.20 | Bushmills | seen the ( ) too late |
| 14:16.28 | dam85 | ok thanks |
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| 14:16.30 | enouf | shingouz: i know, trust me - i try hard to say rtfm in a polite manner .. but, many times, it falls on deaf ears ;-) |
| 14:16.32 | Bushmills | will give you pids as [0] [1] [2] ... |
| 14:16.33 | unop | XTZGZoReX, PID1 will be populated with the pids of ${"some-program"} |
| 14:16.35 | dam85 | because is too important |
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| 14:16.41 | XTZGZoReX | Ugh. |
| 14:16.45 | XTZGZoReX | So it'll become an array? |
| 14:16.51 | unop | XTZGZoReX, yes |
| 14:16.56 | abrotman | dam85: it's called unstable for a reason |
| 14:17.04 | potat | smtp handles receiving and sending mail? |
| 14:17.05 | XTZGZoReX | well, is there any way I can run the same app with "a different name"? |
| 14:17.10 | XTZGZoReX | so I can avoid an array? |
| 14:17.18 | tim|mb | hi all, I'm having some trouble getting partman to do what i want... in particular, I want to preseed a partitioning scheme with two lvm vgs... any idea how i should tackle that? |
| 14:17.26 | shingouz | enouf: polite? a lart and a nice rtfmfm is not ok anymore? what is the world coming to... |
| 14:18.10 | unop | XTZGZoReX, what do you mean - run the same app with "a different name"? |
| 14:18.26 | XTZGZoReX | unop: Like, say, my app is named "mangos-worldd" (the executable), and I want to run two of it, but have one of them run under "an alias" |
| 14:18.29 | XTZGZoReX | if you get what I mean |
| 14:18.46 | unop | not really no :) |
| 14:18.48 | XTZGZoReX | So that pidof ${"mangos-worldd"} will not become an array |
| 14:18.56 | XTZGZoReX | like |
| 14:19.03 | XTZGZoReX | I want to run mangos-worldd as mangos-worldd2 |
| 14:19.13 | XTZGZoReX | so it shows up as that |
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| 14:19.59 | WormFood | does anyone have 'anki' installed so they can test something before I file a bug report |
| 14:20.09 | abrotman | dam85: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/debian/xorg.git;a=commit;h=2187535f5d8c9641fc4f9099ba18b774551a1735 |
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| 14:20.48 | BubbaT | I want to make a live CD which includes a few of my own files. Someone suggested building a DebianLive CD but that just seems way to complicated. Any suggestions? |
| 14:20.50 | XTZGZoReX | unop: in other words, name the process |
| 14:20.59 | XTZGZoReX | unop: withour renaming the file |
| 14:20.59 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: /proc/<pid>/cmdline has the commandline of any process .. if you can put something on commandline, your could identify the right process that way |
| 14:21.10 | liable | to be fair (or explanatory) this is in bumfuck outback WA oz |
| 14:21.10 | lastnode | BubbaT: a debian live cd is actually now surprisingly simple. |
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| 14:21.17 | unop | XTZGZoReX, i'm really not following .. but if you don't want PID1 to be an array . just use PID1=$(pidof foo) |
| 14:21.18 | liable | echan |
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| 14:21.25 | dam85 | i read |
| 14:21.38 | BubbaT | lastnode, the problem is that it is either too simnple o not simple enough. |
| 14:21.43 | Bushmills | PID1="$(pidof foo)" it would have to be |
| 14:21.43 | XTZGZoReX | unop: well, what if there are two then? will it just pick the first one? |
| 14:21.47 | Bushmills | or error |
| 14:21.49 | BubbaT | s/o/or/ |
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| 14:22.01 | abrotman | dam85: no idea what you want to do with that .. but there it is :) |
| 14:22.06 | lastnode | abrotman: what is hte debian live cd generator script called? |
| 14:22.10 | lastnode | script/package |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | boot-disk ? |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | !info boot-disk etch |
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| 14:22.22 | BubbaT | If I go the simple route, I don't have enough options. |
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| 14:22.30 | dam85 | abrotman: no no, i'm using a kde tool |
| 14:22.34 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 14:22.36 | dam85 | to set the resolution |
| 14:22.37 | lastnode | no as in, he wants to remaster a lived with his own files |
| 14:22.41 | Bushmills | no. no error. forget my last statement |
| 14:22.45 | enouf | !info bootcd |
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| 14:22.49 | dam85 | when i set 800*600 there is a error |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | lastnode: oh .. no idea |
| 14:22.55 | dam85 | *an error |
| 14:23.04 | abrotman | lastnode: customccd ? |
| 14:23.08 | dam85 | with the last kernel 25.1 |
| 14:23.12 | BubbaT | If I go the hard route I get flooded with too much poorly documented stuff. |
| 14:23.16 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.10 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 280 kB |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | !cdd |
| 14:23.21 | dpkg | Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | that ? |
| 14:23.25 | abrotman | no idea really |
| 14:23.40 | unop | XTZGZoReX, no, it will have all the pids .. if you wan't only one pid, use pidof -s |
| 14:23.42 | dam85 | so when i reconfigure xorg i can't set what resolution i want to use |
| 14:23.46 | dam85 | do you have understand? |
| 14:23.52 | And1 | How can I install Picard on Etch? |
| 14:23.54 | XTZGZoReX | unop: that will pick the first one found? |
| 14:24.06 | dam85 | i don't want to configure only mouse and keyboards |
| 14:24.10 | lastnode | BubbaT: try customccd, what abrotman said |
| 14:24.15 | unop | XTZGZoReX, -s Single shot - this instructs the program to only return one pid. |
| 14:24.27 | Bushmills | dam85: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:24.27 | dam85 | but not resolutions...why? |
| 14:24.34 | XTZGZoReX | unop: Good, how can I return the second one found then? If possible |
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| 14:25.02 | abrotman | dam85: card/driver? |
| 14:25.09 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/315216 |
| 14:25.25 | dam85 | only this!! i have nvidia driver installed |
| 14:25.35 | WormFood | anyone have 'anki' installed on sid? only me? |
| 14:25.55 | unop | XTZGZoReX, ok, why don't you just use an array .. and extract what you need from it? PID1=($(pidof foo)); FIRST_PID=${PID1[0]}; SECOND_PID=${PID[1]}# etc |
| 14:26.21 | Bushmills | WormFood: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=anki |
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| 14:26.43 | XTZGZoReX | unop: I could. If there is no other way around? |
| 14:27.40 | dam85 | what can i do? |
| 14:28.00 | unop | XTZGZoReX, i'm sure there is but arrays are easier to work with .. if you insist on something else, try asking in #bash |
| 14:28.07 | dam85 | i don't understand why i can't set the resolutions with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 14:28.19 | WormFood | Bushmills, interesting graph, but what does it mean to me? nobody (or almost nobody) is using it? |
| 14:28.24 | XTZGZoReX | unop: I'll mess a bit around first. Thanks so far. |
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| 14:28.33 | rwaite | hey guys, i'm having this problem with time on my system. i've tried reading thru the docs, and i just can't wrap my head around it. |
| 14:28.41 | Bushmills | WormFood: "(15:25:35) WormFood: anyone have 'anki' installed on sid? only me?" |
| 14:28.55 | And1 | Anyone knows, how to install Picard on Etch? Which packages and/or dependencie .debs/sources do I need? |
| 14:29.00 | rwaite | it keeps resetting to 4 hours behind the right time |
| 14:29.08 | rwaite | if i change it, it changes back |
| 14:29.11 | WormFood | I was looking for someone here that had it installed, so I can see if they have the same problem as me before I file a bug report |
| 14:29.28 | Bushmills | WormFood: then your phrasing of your question was inaccurate |
| 14:29.46 | enouf | rwaite: got UTC=Yes in /etc/default/rcS ? "/msg dpkg utc" , and "/msg dpkg set the time" |
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| 14:29.48 | WormFood | Bushmills, nobody responded to my first request :P |
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| 14:30.04 | Bushmills | i did to your second |
| 14:30.05 | dam85 | i have to go :( |
| 14:30.05 | WormFood | rwaite, did you do a "hwclock --systohw"? |
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| 14:30.08 | dam85 | byeb ye |
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| 14:30.15 | rwaite | yeah it hangs |
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| 14:30.33 | cahoot | hwclock --systohc --directisa? |
| 14:30.35 | enouf | rwaite: some (laptops?) use also the --directisa option |
| 14:30.35 | WormFood | rwaite, is it set right in the hardware? |
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| 14:31.08 | enouf | rwaite: is you BIOS set to correct time? |
| 14:31.12 | enouf | your* |
| 14:31.17 | rwaite | i think? |
| 14:31.17 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how debian install this? postfix-mysql |
| 14:31.22 | rwaite | maybe not |
| 14:31.29 | rwaite | i never even thought of that |
| 14:31.36 | rwaite | i'll play with it more, thanks for the pointers |
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| 14:32.15 | WormFood | rwaite, you have several different things that could be the source of the problem....is your system configured to use GMT? |
| 14:32.24 | WormFood | or UTC |
| 14:32.25 | enouf | rhineheart_m: how debian install? |
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| 14:32.39 | enouf | rhineheart_m: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:32.42 | XTZGZoReX | onup, would this work: if (( PID1[1] < 1 )) ? |
| 14:33.10 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: it download, and it unpack |
| 14:33.10 | rhineheart_m | enouf, yeah.. right after doing aptitude install postfix-mysql |
| 14:33.27 | unop | XTZGZoReX, you want to count the number of pids .. if (( ${PID1[@]} < 1 )); # IIRC |
| 14:33.39 | Bushmills | and it run install scripten |
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| 14:34.00 | rwaite | WormFood: honestly, i have no idea. when i tried tackling this, all the different variables confused the heck out of me. utc, is the bios utc, what timezone, hwclock doesnt work, it hangs, not a laptop, its just all swirling round my head |
| 14:34.08 | XTZGZoReX | unop: no, rather, just check if the PID exists (isnt null) |
| 14:34.19 | XTZGZoReX | inup: what I meant was if my syntax was correct? :) |
| 14:34.30 | rwaite | time.gov says utc is -4 hours from here, so that makes me think its a problem with the utc setting somewhere |
| 14:34.38 | rwaite | UTC=yes is in that rcS file too |
| 14:34.45 | WormFood | rwaite, it can be confusing the first time you tackle it |
| 14:35.04 | WormFood | you can set your hardware clock to local time, or UTC |
| 14:35.11 | iguanna | hi all, i want to create a image of my hard disk doing: dd if=/dev/hda |gzip > /mnt/backupDisk/hda.bin.gz is it right? |
| 14:35.23 | rwaite | so if bios was local, and utc=yes was set |
| 14:35.25 | rwaite | hmm |
| 14:35.29 | WormFood | if you only run Linux, or an OS that expected the RTC to be in UTC, then I suggest you set it to UTC |
| 14:35.39 | WormFood | what is your time zone? |
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| 14:35.41 | rwaite | i use linux only |
| 14:35.43 | rwaite | EST |
| 14:35.46 | rwaite | eastern |
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| 14:36.02 | unop | XTZGZoReX, it's not correct syntax .. i think you can do it this way. if [[ ${PID1[0]} ]] |
| 14:36.11 | rwaite | ive never played with time in bios, can you just select "utc" from options in there |
| 14:36.20 | XTZGZoReX | unop: K, thanks |
| 14:36.26 | unop | XTZGZoReX, or better. if [[ ${PID1[0]} -ne "" ]] |
| 14:36.32 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, will it overwrite existing postfix config? since I noticed it won't work anymore right after I did it.. I guess it is looking for mysql since it gives me this error: relay=none, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table) |
| 14:36.37 | WormFood | rwaite, you're not in EST, your in EDT |
| 14:36.41 | rwaite | oh yes |
| 14:36.45 | rwaite | sorry |
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| 14:37.12 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: no. it will ask. depending on your answer, either the old or the new will be residing in the config dir too |
| 14:37.18 | WormFood | unless you're in one of the rare areas that don't support DST (I fuckin' HATE DST!) |
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| 14:37.43 | rwaite | nah, ohio |
| 14:37.48 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, do you have an idea how would I solve this issue? |
| 14:37.53 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: ehm .. amendmend. |
| 14:37.56 | WormFood | rwaite, so I'm thinking, you are UTC-4...is that right? |
| 14:38.09 | Bushmills | will do that for config files it acticely copies. |
| 14:38.13 | Bushmills | actively |
| 14:38.15 | WormFood | it sounds to me like your RTC is set to local time, and Linux is adjusting it accordingly |
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| 14:38.36 | enouf | WormFood: yeah! who are these geniuses whom think they know better than einstein? :-p |
| 14:38.41 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, what do you mean with that? |
| 14:38.45 | WormFood | just use ntpdate to set it for right now, and when you reboot, the shutdown script should save the system time to the hardware clock |
| 14:38.46 | iguanna | anybody can help me? |
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| 14:38.53 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: easiest way is usually, get the old config and replace the new config with it. |
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| 14:39.11 | rhineheart_m | ows...how would I do that? where to find those old ones? |
| 14:39.12 | eckhart_ | hi |
| 14:39.20 | Bushmills | or diff it, and see what you have changed, apply to new config |
| 14:39.25 | LaicepS | Hello. |
| 14:39.39 | WormFood | iguanna, why not use bzzip2, it compresses better |
| 14:39.47 | LaicepS | I have a big problem with apt, which i can't fix. Here it is : http://pastebin.com/d299deb6c |
| 14:40.09 | jelly | rhineheart_m: the canonical useless answer to that question is "your backup" |
| 14:40.11 | WormFood | er, I mean bzip2 |
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| 14:40.21 | LaicepS | (i have highlighted the lines which cause problem) |
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| 14:40.57 | rhineheart_m | jelly, It should have been backdup.. :( |
| 14:41.11 | iguanna | WormFood, ok thanks i will use bzzip2, but my doubt is if my order is right? |
| 14:41.28 | themill | LaicepS: what are you upgrading from and too? |
| 14:41.30 | WormFood | iguanna, you don't need to use dd at all |
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| 14:41.38 | sandman | This is rather odd. When I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it never asks me which video driver I want to use... and the xorg.conf that it creates doesn't contain hardly anything. Not even a specified driver. |
| 14:41.46 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.47 | sandman | Yet, when I run xinit, it selects the cirrus driver. |
| 14:41.53 | eckhart_ | whose fault is it: i'm doing an aptitude safe-upgrade, libdecibel0.7.0{a} as new package, libdecibel0.6.0{u} gets removed |
| 14:41.55 | iguanna | WormFood, ok i understand |
| 14:41.55 | LaicepS | themill, i just run "apt-get upgrade" |
| 14:42.08 | eckhart_ | "Versuche, »/usr/share/doc/Decibel/demos.html« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket libdecibel0.6.0 ist" |
| 14:42.18 | WormFood | if bzip2 will read from stdin, then you can just do bzip2</dev/hda1 >backup.bz2 but I don't think that will work....not sure what bzip2 expects as input |
| 14:42.22 | eckhart_ | (tries to overwrite ...) |
| 14:42.32 | gordboy | sandman: xorg is pretty minimalist these days. even fonts anywhere in /usr/share/fonts get included |
| 14:42.41 | themill | LaicepS: yes, but are you trying to track lenny or sid here? |
| 14:42.43 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, what do you think? Is there a chance of full recovery of it? or Do I need to reinstall postfix again? |
| 14:42.46 | enouf | iguanna: at the least, all partitions should be mounted 'ro' prior, better is to use a livecd (or look into using 'g4u'). I'd prefer using tar (with gzip/bzip2), rsync, etc. though. |
| 14:42.47 | Bushmills | that too |
| 14:42.50 | WormFood | iguanna, also, you don't want that to be the hard drive you boot from, because you'll have open files on it |
| 14:43.21 | LaicepS | themill, i just try to upgrade my debian lenny |
| 14:43.23 | sandman | gordboy: Well how do I tell it I want to use a different server? |
| 14:43.34 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: reinstalling won't give you your old config. look in the config dirs, whether there are renamed copies of your previous config |
| 14:43.39 | WormFood | enouf, while that is a good idea, I suspect he wants a backup of the entire drive, including unallocated sectors and all |
| 14:44.07 | themill | LaicepS: does running "aptitude full-upgrade" solve it? |
| 14:44.14 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, okay.. can you guide me where to find the config files? |
| 14:44.19 | WormFood | iguanna, why do you want to backup the entire parition that way, instead of backing up the files? |
| 14:44.22 | iguanna | enouf, WormFood, i prefer user 'dd' with optin conv=noerror because my disk is damages |
| 14:44.25 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: otherwise, grab an editor and start configuring again. also, make a cronjob from a backup of your config files |
| 14:44.43 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: /etc/postfix |
| 14:44.43 | gordboy | sandman: you need a "Device" section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, with Driver "whatever" in it |
| 14:44.50 | LaicepS | well i have ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" many times and it didn't fix anything. But i'll give a try to "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 14:45.02 | WormFood | ok iguanna, that is a reasonable reason to use dd |
| 14:45.05 | enouf | eckhart_: run whatever command you ran using LANG=C as a prefix so we can understand your error message (English) |
| 14:45.11 | sandman | gordboy: And one isn't specified by default. That's messed up. |
| 14:45.12 | iguanna | WormFood, becuase i want to can restore also my programas installed and other configurations |
| 14:45.31 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, can't find an old configs there in /etc/postfix |
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| 14:45.36 | WormFood | if it is damaged, then I think you're going about backing up the wrong way |
| 14:45.45 | enouf | iguanna: i see - also look into using ddrescue in that case |
| 14:45.48 | gordboy | sandman: once you get your nice working xorg.conf, protect it with your life :) |
| 14:45.52 | Bushmills | and if postfix-mysql uses a different dir, look where that one might be with dpkg -L postfix-mysql |
| 14:46.02 | eckhart_ | > dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdecibel0.7.0_0.5.0+svn803080-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:46.05 | eckhart_ | > trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/Decibel/demos.html', which is also in package libdecibel0.6.0 |
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| 14:46.14 | WormFood | you're better off to get a list of packages install, your updated config files, and your personal data, and just reinstall.....but that is just opinion, and you know what they say about opinions |
| 14:46.27 | LaicepS | themill, it didn't fix anything sorry :( |
| 14:46.36 | LaicepS | same error |
| 14:46.43 | LaicepS | (higlighted in pastebin) |
| 14:46.43 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, Package `postfix-mysql' is not installed. (Since I uninstalled it) :) |
| 14:46.55 | iguanna | enouf, thanks but actually i think that both command are the same. |
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| 14:47.24 | iguanna | friend nice chat, but my doubt is not solve :) |
| 14:48.00 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: installing it won't overwrite any files belonging to other packages |
| 14:48.08 | enouf | eckhart_: ok, great , now can you pastebin the entire command you ran with it's output? also tell us your version of debian, and what "dpkg -l libc6" says |
| 14:48.12 | XTZGZoReX | Can anyone help me determine why this doesn't worK? -- http://rafb.net/p/3DFiQl47.html -- it should check constantly whether or not a process is running, and restart them if they arent, but it restarts all 3 processes even though they are running |
| 14:48.41 | iguanna | is the order ddrescue if=/dev/hda |bzzip2> /mnt/backupDisk/hda.bin.gz right? |
| 14:48.48 | LaicepS | any idea ? :( |
| 14:48.57 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, so what is your recommendation then? |
| 14:49.07 | enouf | iguanna: ddrescue gives many more (helpful) options |
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| 14:49.53 | iguanna | ok i think that the better is to try the order...thanks friends |
| 14:50.18 | vsd | how can i change the apache signature? |
| 14:50.23 | enouf | iguanna: if you use bzip2 make teh file extension .bz2 |
| 14:50.27 | vsd | i mean the banner |
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| 14:50.53 | iguanna | enouf, ok i will do |
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| 14:51.18 | rhineheart_m | Anybody here who could give me a better option to solve this issue? relay=none, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table) |
| 14:51.28 | devicenull | Is there an easy way to log into X automatically when the computer starts? I tried the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_MythTV_on_Debian_Etch "Auto Login" steps but they don't seem to work |
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| 14:52.32 | enouf | rhineheart_m: tried #mysql or #postfix ? |
| 14:52.46 | eckhart_ | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/QFXowc17.html (debian testing/sid/experimental mixture, and yeah, i know that experimental is evil) |
| 14:53.01 | enouf | ... |
| 14:53.22 | rhineheart_m | enouf, thanks but I've been trying at #postfix but nobody gave me a working solution.. :( |
| 14:53.38 | Mnabil_work | hello, guys i wanna take a copy of my existing gentoo installation to another machine with the same specs, just i wanna make the 2nd machine to be a clone of it without building the system again . any idea how can i do that ? |
| 14:53.38 | And1 | Anyone knows what's wrong here? http://pbot.rmdir.de/2991ccd5aff9e16f7087253a240bbf9b |
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| 14:55.47 | halflife08 | Mnabil_work: #gentoo |
| 14:56.00 | enouf | eckhart_: the only way i can think of to fix that is to add 'exit 0' (just after the shebang) to the top of the .postinst script for that pkg - but that's likely not the best solution |
| 14:56.29 | Mnabil_work | halflife08, sorry wrong msg |
| 14:56.31 | Mnabil_work | sorry again |
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| 14:56.42 | eckhart_ | enouf: more important question to me: which package should i file that bug for? |
| 14:56.56 | eckhart_ | libdecibel0.7.0 ? |
| 14:57.26 | themill | eckhart_: these are experimental kde packages, aren't they? |
| 14:57.33 | enouf | eckhart_: with some 'experimental' pkgs and sources (mixing) or whatever - i'm not sure |
| 14:57.43 | XTZGZoReX | How do I swtch locale? |
| 14:57.44 | XTZGZoReX | switch* |
| 14:57.50 | enouf | !locales |
| 14:57.50 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 14:57.56 | XTZGZoReX | I knew that. |
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| 14:58.00 | XTZGZoReX | But how do I set it just for my useR? |
| 14:58.02 | XTZGZoReX | user* |
| 14:58.06 | eckhart_ | enouf: still, this seems to replace one version of that package by another |
| 14:58.06 | WormFood | iguanna, you may have to use "-" with bzip2 to read from stdin....read the man page and experiment |
| 14:58.07 | enouf | ... |
| 14:58.35 | devicenull | hm, no matter what I try I seem to get the X login manager asking me to log in |
| 14:58.38 | enouf | seetxkbmap <CC> > |
| 14:58.40 | enouf | ? |
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| 14:58.56 | enouf | gah! .. i mean "setxkbmap <CC>" |
| 14:59.04 | vsd | can anyone tell me how to remove the banner from apache? |
| 14:59.08 | vsd | apache's signature |
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| 15:02.10 | Pryon | vsd: The very first hit on google answers your question. In any case, security through obscurity isn't. |
| 15:02.44 | vsd | i can't do it |
| 15:02.49 | Stereo | Pryon: I'd argue that it isn't full security |
| 15:02.54 | vsd | i m thinking debian has something to do with it |
| 15:03.00 | Stereo | but it's an important part of security |
| 15:03.13 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m:  (User unknown in virtual alias table) yes. add user to virtual |
| 15:03.19 | vsd | i changed serversignature and servertokens |
| 15:03.21 | vsd | and still |
| 15:03.24 | vsd | it displays |
| 15:03.28 | Pryon | did you restart the server? |
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| 15:03.39 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: do you happen to run any web admin frontend, by any chance? |
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| 15:04.05 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, yeah.. that's easy to say... but I don't know yet how to do it.... I tried to check /etc/postfix/virtual but all users are there |
| 15:04.16 | Bushmills | postmap virtual |
| 15:04.19 | Bushmills | reload config |
| 15:04.32 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. I did even reboot the system |
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| 15:05.50 | Bushmills | third line, under "synopsis" of man 5 virtual ... |
| 15:05.53 | vsd | Pryon, of course |
| 15:05.57 | sandman | What will be closest to native-speed?: user-mode-linux, linux-vserver, or qemu? |
| 15:06.02 | Bushmills | any chance you have followed what is written there? |
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| 15:06.39 | Bushmills | actually, first line under "synopsis" |
| 15:07.14 | Sebboh | I'm configuring a kernel for a machine that I've rented from a hosting provider.. The CPUs in the machine are E5405's, and I think that these are the correpsonding specs: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAP2 How should I configure my kernel for these CPUs? (Is it pIII based, or Core 2 based?) |
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| 15:08.46 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: i suppose your mail.info or .log file contains lines such as "warning, virtual has more recent time stamp than virtual.db" |
| 15:08.47 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, what do you mean with run any web admin frontend? |
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| 15:09.28 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, those logs I posted earlier were from my /var/log/mail.log |
| 15:09.57 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: as virtual users are not configured default, one has to enable them. therefore, people using virtual know about what you didn't. most people using web config frontends don't know why things don't work |
| 15:10.18 | Bushmills | so i suspected you use st like .. webmin or such |
| 15:10.35 | Pryon | vsd: You might also take a peek at the ServerTokens directive. Depending on which version of Apache you're running, it may be the ticket. |
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| 15:11.01 | Pryon | AFAIK, apart from hacking the source, you won't be able to completely obliterate any information from the server response. |
| 15:11.06 | vsd | Pryon, i changed that too |
| 15:11.12 | vsd | Pryon, why not? |
| 15:11.50 | Pryon | Because (it appears that) the minimum information apache is designed to send is "Apache" |
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| 15:12.06 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, yeah.. you're right.. I am using virtualmin which you sound like you discourage me to do it that way |
| 15:12.33 | Pryon | But I'm just reading the docs, not looking at the code, so that's why I include "AFAIK" |
| 15:13.07 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: you are a living example of why those config aids are not ideal. |
| 15:13.27 | vsd | Pryon, my bad:D i was working on wrong vm |
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| 15:14.17 | enouf | sandman: none of the above :-P |
| 15:14.29 | enouf | sandman: kvm, with hardware VT |
| 15:14.43 | enouf | sandman: but those you mentioned have specific uses |
| 15:14.48 | enouf | functionality |
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| 15:16.13 | enouf | sandman: vservers and UML are mainly (AFAIK) for giving people/users their own VPS, and for security when administering |
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| 15:18.07 | enouf | Qemu has many implementaions from using with kvm, when no hardware VT is available to just using it as you would vmware, or any other VM - but i think it's atleast as broad in it's options of Host/Client OS choices, whereas UML and Vservers are primarily all linux, IINM |
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| 15:18.51 | enouf | dpkg: say "She's dead Jim!" ala Bones |
| 15:18.51 | dpkg | "She's dead Jim!" ala Bones |
| 15:19.21 | devicenull | hey, I enabled autologin in gdm.. but now openbox doesn't seem to be executing it's autostart.sh file |
| 15:19.53 | devicenull | could that be caused by autologin? I know openbox's site says that sometimes it's not started correcly |
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| 15:23.01 | DreamLnr | hello |
| 15:23.19 | DreamLnr | how do i make a script start up automatically when pc starts? |
| 15:24.00 | enouf | devicenull: /msg dpkg xsession |
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| 15:24.31 | enouf | DreamLnr: depends .. what script? |
| 15:24.38 | DreamLnr | "myscript.sh" |
| 15:24.40 | DreamLnr | :) |
| 15:24.42 | hollywoodb | DreamLnr: you could call it from /etc/rc.local |
| 15:24.53 | enouf | DreamLnr: most likely you want rc.local - but maybe ~/.kde/Autostart is for you |
| 15:25.12 | DreamLnr | well my server does not have kde |
| 15:25.18 | enouf | it also depends exactly when you want it to start |
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| 15:25.23 | DreamLnr | so i will try rc.local |
| 15:25.24 | DreamLnr | thanks |
| 15:25.25 | enouf | ok, more clues |
| 15:25.35 | DreamLnr | well its an iptables script |
| 15:25.37 | enouf | !Carnak |
| 15:25.40 | DreamLnr | that configures filtering |
| 15:25.59 | enouf | !8ball is carnak all knowing? |
| 15:25.59 | dpkg | Negative. |
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| 15:26.43 | devicenull | where would I go to determine what command gdm is using to start the window manager? |
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| 15:29.35 | giuSerpe | hai hall |
| 15:29.56 | giuSerpe | http://www.astepoint.eu/dpasp-as/start.asp |
| 15:30.05 | enouf | devicenull: it's complicated (see /etc/X11/Xsession.d , /etc/X11/*/xinitrc et al in that general location), use a ~/.xsession file .. or look into whatever gdm can tell you, see /etc/gdm/* |
| 15:30.12 | giuSerpe | the logo... |
| 15:30.41 | enouf | devicenull: also review whatever /etc/init.d/gdm can tell you |
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| 15:31.14 | hyphn | @giuSerpe yeah - a complete copy! |
| 15:31.31 | dan2 | what's that shell tool that provides history for cli commands? |
| 15:31.48 | Bushmills | dan2: history |
| 15:32.04 | dan2 | not what I meant |
| 15:32.08 | dan2 | I meant history in a cli shell |
| 15:32.12 | dan2 | not in a shell |
| 15:32.23 | dan2 | like python for example |
| 15:33.02 | Bushmills | the lib function, called? readline? |
| 15:33.09 | devicenull | k, thx |
| 15:33.31 | dan2 | the readline for various clis |
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| 15:33.57 | giuSerpe | hyphn: copy/paste/mirror :P |
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| 15:35.12 | And1 | Still no one here, who uses picard? =/ |
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| 15:35.45 | hyphn | @giuSerpe i wonder how much it cost them? |
| 15:36.59 | giuSerpe | mboh... |
| 15:37.20 | stew | giuSerpe: hyphn: its not the debian logo. i'd imagine that, like the debian logo, this was just created using adobe illustrator's swirl tool |
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| 15:38.26 | giuSerpe | it's uguale |
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| 15:41.13 | enouf | devicenull: oh, one more thing i should mention; checkout /etc/X11/default-display-manager, and run as root, or sudo; update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
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| 15:41.36 | devicenull | yep, I found that already |
| 15:41.38 | enouf | devicenull: then replace --list with --config to actually change |
| 15:42.03 | legis | Hi, how can I make applications, (eg: iceweasel) use better fonts? I didn't install a desktop enviroment so fonts look ugly. |
| 15:42.07 | legis | I installed the bitstream fonts pkg but applications didn't pick it. |
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| 15:42.55 | enouf | devicenull: yeah, and x-window-manager |
| 15:43.07 | devicenull | yea, I found that already |
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| 15:44.31 | abrotman | legis: is defoma installed? .. iceweasel uses gtk stuff for its fonts |
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| 15:47.34 | legis | abrotman: yes defoma installed, I'm running fluxbox, maybe that's why fonts look bad? |
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| 15:48.25 | rwaite | yay! my time is working. |
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| 15:48.45 | rwaite | but setting hwclock fails on startup, and i dunno why |
| 15:48.54 | legis | like for example, I installed google-earth too but when start it it says it can't find the bitstream vera fonts and I installed the bitstream vera pkg. |
| 15:48.55 | liable | mine is going backwords |
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| 15:49.36 | enouf | legis: there are some font pkgs you may not only wnt to install, but alos ensure they're list in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... such as xfonts-base , xfonts-100dpi . xfonts-75dpi , xfonts-utils |
| 15:50.01 | WormFood | anyone here using 'anki' that can test something for me before I file a bug report? |
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| 15:51.49 | legis | enouf: all fonts should be listed in xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:52.29 | enouf | legis: nah, mostly just for fallback purposes |
| 15:52.41 | stew | legis: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:52.47 | legis | sid |
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| 15:52.59 | stew | legis: then fonts need not be mentioned at all in xorg.conf |
| 15:53.00 | enouf | i think the unix/:7000 line is the major one used |
| 15:53.29 | kingsley | Is there a console application that lets you to invert the video (highlight) multiple and disparate regions of text? |
| 15:53.30 | stew | enouf: i don't think xfs would be common on sid these days |
| 15:53.31 | legis | stew: yeah, that's what i though so, I don't have them listed xorg.conf |
| 15:54.00 | legis | my section 'file' is blank |
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| 15:54.35 | enouf | hrm, dunno about which release has what, i have ; FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server |
| 15:54.50 | legis | I know if I installed a DE fonts will look better but I don't want to in sid. |
| 15:54.50 | stew | enouf: is xfs installed? |
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| 15:55.02 | enouf | no idea stew |
| 15:55.08 | stew | enouf: dpkg -l xfs |
| 15:55.15 | enouf | will check |
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| 15:55.37 | enouf | stew: no, it's not |
| 15:55.44 | stew | enouf: then that line isn't doing anything |
| 15:55.55 | stew | enouf: which would be verified by 'fc-cache -v' |
| 15:56.05 | stew | legis: does 'fc-list | grep -i vera' return a match? |
| 15:56.10 | stew | legis: how did you install google-earth? |
| 15:56.20 | legis | so google-earth complains about not finding bitstream vera but when I do fc-list is shows the font is there |
| 15:56.41 | legis | stew: using the google pkg |
| 15:56.52 | abrotman | legis: did you try to use the gtk font chooser thingie ? |
| 15:57.48 | enouf | great, no man fc-cache, yet, /usr.bin/fc-cache exists |
| 15:57.52 | stew | legis: i wonder if the debian made package would work better |
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| 15:58.12 | enouf | and i guess all these lines aren't doing anything either; FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi" |
| 15:58.14 | stew | !find fc-cache.1.gz |
| 15:58.15 | legis | abrotman: no, never heard of it |
| 15:58.27 | abrotman | gtkthemeswitch2 or something like that |
| 15:58.41 | abrotman | i don't mess with fonts much .. or themes |
| 15:58.52 | legis | stew: I think there is some debian pkg/script to easy installation of google-earth |
| 15:58.58 | rwaite | hey. i'm having trouble setting inconsolata as my xterm font. if i use xfontsel and try to set fn it tells me it cant find the font, using "fixed" |
| 15:59.09 | rwaite | is there a fontconfig i need to run or something? |
| 15:59.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fc-cache.1.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man1/fc-cache.1.gz) in utils/fontconfig. |
| 15:59.46 | jelly | rwaite: xfontsel will only display bitmapped fonts |
| 15:59.56 | rwaite | oh i disabled those |
| 16:00.06 | jelly | no you didn't |
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| 16:00.13 | stew | legis: yes, googleearth-package in contrib |
| 16:00.20 | enouf | well, fwiw, my fc-cache -v output http://pastebin.ca/raw/1010656 (i got a weird mix system, so no surprise) |
| 16:00.33 | rwaite | i ran dpkg-reconfigure and said no to them, maybe thats not disabling them |
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| 16:01.08 | jelly | fonts in X are a needlessly messy business |
| 16:01.20 | rwaite | inconsolata lists in the fc-list output too |
| 16:01.26 | enouf | ii fontconfig 2.4.2-1.2 generic font configuration library - support binaries <-- i did recall i did used to have a fc-cache/fccache manpage (or similar, but something removed it awhile back) |
| 16:01.52 | jelly | you could have disabled fontconfig's usage of bitmapped fonts, which is another thing. however, Xorg's embedded font server still knows about them. |
| 16:02.12 | rwaite | hmm. i disabled trhe bitmapped fonts cause it makes everything look better for some reason |
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| 16:02.35 | legis | stew: yeah saw it, but how do I fix fonts for other applications? like openoffice, pidgin, etc... |
| 16:02.53 | rwaite | xchat which im using now, has the font set to Monospace 9, and it looks really nice. but i cant for the life of me get xterm to take it |
| 16:03.03 | jelly | rwaite: what exactly did you dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:03.16 | rwaite | fontconfig? |
| 16:03.30 | maligor | rwaite, you can see what it matches with 'fc-match Monospace' |
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| 16:03.48 | rwaite | DejaVuSansMono.ttf: "DejaVu Sans Mono" "Book" |
| 16:03.55 | rwaite | oops sorry, i know, no pasting |
| 16:03.57 | Legality | when using sw-raid, should swap partition be raid1 or raid0? |
| 16:04.29 | enouf | jelly: ahh, right, "configure-debian -l" shows me "fontconfig-config" as available for dpkg-reconfigure .. i likely ran that awhile back |
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| 16:04.45 | rwaite | yes, i ran fontconfig-config |
| 16:04.48 | JW | Anyone here use vserver? |
| 16:04.49 | enouf | and deselected bitmap fonts, or similar |
| 16:04.49 | maligor | rwaite, now you figure out how it maps to the obsoleted x11 font system, unless xterm uses font config now |
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| 16:05.15 | rwaite | so deja vu sans mono is what i want |
| 16:05.30 | maligor | yeah, you can probably figure it out with xfontsel |
| 16:05.31 | legis | found this: http://web.archive.org/web/20050306015258/http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt - but is to old |
| 16:05.38 | rwaite | ok |
| 16:05.43 | enouf | but in general, i'm more lost than abrotman is when it comes to fonts :-P |
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| 16:05.48 | rwaite | and that 9, thats probably point size |
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| 16:06.30 | maligor | curiously my xterm is linked against fontconfig |
| 16:06.37 | rwaite | its ugly looking |
| 16:06.42 | rwaite | yuck |
| 16:06.51 | rwaite | maybe xterm doesnt antialias |
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| 16:07.10 | enouf | btw, all my fc- manpages are missing, man fc-<TAB><TAB> == nothing |
| 16:07.11 | cahoot | rwaite: try something like: xterm -fn "-*-dejavu sans mono-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" |
| 16:07.40 | rwaite | that gives me a really big, slanted font |
| 16:07.48 | rwaite | if i manually set the pt size to 90 |
| 16:08.00 | rwaite | it looks bad, almost like it isnt antialiased |
| 16:08.54 | maligor | rwaite, actually, try xterm -fa Monospace |
| 16:08.56 | jelly | in this age and time, xterm doesn't support antialiased ft fonts? |
| 16:09.01 | abrotman | enouf: i doubt it .. i use the default everywhere :) |
| 16:09.23 | jelly | ah, it does |
| 16:09.26 | rwaite | sweet! |
| 16:09.47 | maligor | -fs 9 to set the size |
| 16:10.05 | maligor | beats me why you'd want to use xterm tho, dreadful thing :P |
| 16:10.23 | jelly | xterm has decent DEC VT emulation |
| 16:10.47 | rwaite | i dont care |
| 16:10.54 | rwaite | as long as its lightweight and works good |
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| 16:11.07 | maligor | I used to use rxvt before moving to gnome-terminal |
| 16:11.22 | jelly | I'm on rxvt-unicode-lite now |
| 16:11.44 | maligor | rwaite, if you want light, use rxvt |
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| 16:11.54 | legis | yeah rxvt-unicode + terminus is nice |
| 16:12.05 | rwaite | i think i might |
| 16:12.13 | maligor | I don't personally see the need to preserve memory with 4gb |
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| 16:12.31 | jelly | rxvt-unicode + konsole's console8x16 (bitmapped VGA font with a good bit of iso10646-1) |
| 16:12.33 | maligor | not in the kilobyte range anyway |
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| 16:12.48 | rwaite | now i gotta figure out how to disable bolding of any text |
| 16:13.55 | catsup | rwaite: set the bold font to the normal font |
| 16:14.09 | catsup | xvt is way lighter than rxvt |
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| 16:14.50 | guk | okay ... I got a question ... now ... I got my debian system I don't want to turn off ... can I shut the HDD off the main drive (my root partition) and pull it out ... fix what I have to then reconnect it |
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| 16:15.03 | catsup | maligor: gnome-terminal puts borders around the edges |
| 16:15.03 | guk | I have Ultra 2 Wide SCSI with an adapter to a Ultra320 SCSI drive |
| 16:15.11 | guk | I just don't like turning my machine off |
| 16:15.24 | guk | I just need a new HDD fan |
| 16:15.53 | maligor | cateye, my 21" monitor has enough space for borders too :P |
| 16:16.00 | maligor | whops, wrong target, heh |
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| 16:16.15 | jelly | guk: unless your drive, controller and enclosure explicitely support hotplugging, no |
| 16:16.41 | rwaite | it doesnt look as nice against a black bg, lol all that work |
| 16:16.56 | rwaite | maybe itll grow on me |
| 16:17.15 | jelly | slow gnome-terminal is slooow |
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| 16:17.32 | jelly | !start a terminal emulator war |
| 16:17.37 | maligor | jelly, so is my brain :P |
| 16:17.54 | rwaite | i should make a ver of cat called longcat that stretches out the text really far |
| 16:17.56 | enouf | bingo - i upgraded my fontconfig pkg and now again, i get my manpages \o/ ~$ man fc- |
| 16:17.56 | enouf | fc-cache fc-cat fc-list fc-match |
| 16:18.15 | rwaite | powershell.exe is the best!!1 |
| 16:18.30 | guk | jelly: I know my drive supports it ... im not sure on my controller ... I would think so ... ima google into it more for sure |
| 16:18.32 | maligor | psh isn't too bad for a first try |
| 16:18.43 | rwaite | i like it, but its big |
| 16:18.51 | maligor | enouf, mm.. never noticed the automagic completer worked on man too, nice :P |
| 16:19.10 | enouf | (i actually ran a install --reinstall, but it upgraded, which is fine by me - and also my apt-listchanges showed me changelog stuffs ;-)) |
| 16:19.31 | enouf | maligor: oh, .. i'd fall all over myself without it ;-) |
| 16:19.46 | enouf | (i do pretty good anyway in that dept :-P) |
| 16:20.07 | catsup | guk: i assume you have some sort of raid? |
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| 16:20.21 | maligor | my own configs overrode them for a long time, took me ages to get on the autocompletion train |
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| 16:20.41 | guk | catsup: nope ... single drive ... that's why im asking ... I know RAID I should be able too ... |
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| 16:20.49 | catsup | guk: uh, no |
| 16:21.00 | guk | catsup: but really I should just bite the bullet and shut down ... I got a mountain of HW/reboot things to do when it shuts down |
| 16:21.04 | catsup | guk: what you should do is s2disk |
| 16:21.36 | guk | im just lazy ... and trying to get outa as much work as possible |
| 16:21.36 | guk | haha |
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| 16:21.42 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.54 | catsup | s2disk will save your system state and power down, then restore it on power up |
| 16:21.58 | guk | just it's working perfectly fine ...other then the little 99 cent HDD cooler I got is all melting |
| 16:22.16 | catsup | uh, melting? sounds like your system is way too hot |
| 16:22.20 | guk | and not spinning ... 15k scsi's don't like being actively cooling ... so once I hit 45c ... im shutting it down |
| 16:22.26 | catsup | i suggest you open up the case and point a 10"+ fan into it asap |
| 16:22.44 | guk | it's not melting ... but the fans are spinning slower and slower on the "HDD" Cooler |
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| 16:23.14 | catsup | heh, i've had a system running for a year with a fan like that |
| 16:23.29 | guk | oh yeah ... it's not bugging me ... but I had a SCSI like this before |
| 16:23.32 | guk | and it ran at 55c |
| 16:23.33 | catsup | obviously it was intended to be temporary at the time |
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| 16:23.54 | guk | I came home one day ... it would only read ... not write ;) hint hint ... so basicly if I hddtemp my HDD and it's more then 43c ... im shuttin er down |
| 16:24.04 | guk | I got a nice thermaltake HDD cooler on top of the case ready to go so to speak |
| 16:24.08 | guk | /dev/sda: MAXTOR ATLAS15K_73SCA: 43°C |
| 16:24.32 | catsup | guk: the housefan approach really works... if you're averse to shutting down... but like i said s2disk will solve your problem |
| 16:25.00 | guk | yeah ... but if I don't shut it down now ... haha it'll be up for another 200 days ... and a house fan is not a solution it's a hack ... i'll take it down and put the proper fan on |
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| 16:25.05 | guk | I dxo |
| 16:25.09 | enouf | my case side has been off for years, HDDs are propped up on makeshift holders along side the case :-P |
| 16:25.21 | catsup | i *think* s2disk preserves the uptime counter |
| 16:25.23 | guk | erm ... I don't mind shutting it down ... im just lazy ... thought I could "cheat" |
| 16:25.41 | guk | I don't care about the "uptime" counter ... I care about having to reboot it ... and then for some reason if it doese |
| 16:25.44 | catsup | guk: i don't think you understand what i'm saying... |
| 16:25.53 | guk | doesn't come back up ... then I have to connect a monitor etc etc |
| 16:26.00 | catsup | s2disk will allow you to power the machine down, without having to reboot |
| 16:26.07 | enouf | sdparm /dev/name --command=stop ? |
| 16:26.07 | devicenull | hey does anyone here use the lirc package? |
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| 16:26.08 | catsup | i.e., go through the boot process |
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| 16:26.15 | guk | yeah ... it "hibernates" |
| 16:26.27 | guk | but if im going to take it down ... I mas well put the new kernel on it |
| 16:26.28 | guk | etc etc |
| 16:26.38 | enouf | then you have things like the rescan-scsi.sh script? scsitools pkg? |
| 16:26.44 | devicenull | I noticed a problem in the docs for it.. they say to edit /etc/lircd.conf , but the init.d script checks /etc/lircd/lircd.conf |
| 16:26.52 | catsup | enouf: that won't work for him, he's got only one disk |
| 16:27.08 | guk | http://www.solosoft.org/sysinfo |
| 16:27.09 | enouf | catsup: doh! .. righto |
| 16:27.09 | guk | yeah ... well there is an IDE disk ... but that's coming out now too |
| 16:27.15 | guk | I flashed the bios awhile ago and noticed it supports a boot from scsi |
| 16:27.20 | enouf | catsup: i figured it wasn't his / FS disk .. nm then ;-) |
| 16:27.27 | guk | so the 6gb IDE isn't needed anymore (for the 48mb boot partition) |
| 16:28.00 | enouf | devicenull: dpkg -L <packagename> ? |
| 16:28.03 | guk | im just basicly looking around at my options ... it's been so long since I rebooted it im almost afraid it won't boot again .. I did change the /boot partition to the sda drive instead of the ide |
| 16:28.18 | guk | is there some kinda script to see if the system can properly boot with it's setup ? |
| 16:28.34 | enouf | hah! |
| 16:28.49 | devicenull | enouf: yea, it indicaets the /etc/lircd folder.. I guess it's just the docs that are wrong |
| 16:28.51 | catsup | just verify you've got your bootloader set up correctly |
| 16:29.10 | enouf | there are plenty of workarounds like failsafe/fallback booting of kernels and such |
| 16:29.12 | guk | yeah grubby is all nicely setup on the sda drive ... it's a p3 450mhz with a onboard scsi built right into it |
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| 16:29.26 | guk | oh yeah ... im not that worried ... I know a knoppix disk can solve that |
| 16:29.35 | enouf | devicenull: file a bug? use reportbug pkg? |
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| 16:29.47 | guk | then I have to install a CD drive into it too ... haha ... last time I put debian on it ... potato just came out |
| 16:29.51 | guk | haha |
| 16:30.08 | devicenull | oh, I didnt know there was a nice command for it :p |
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| 16:30.44 | bjwebb | hi |
| 16:31.13 | guk | it's mostly just a home server ... handles squid ... adblock ... etc etc for my network ... so really it never goes down unless I break it ... im pretty happy with it tho ... and we all know from intels press page that p3's make the internet faster |
| 16:31.20 | guk | so 2 of them must make the internet 2x as fast |
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| 16:31.57 | bjwebb | would it kill my system if i upgraded it from hardy to sid? |
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| 16:32.47 | guk | ive been dist-upgradin from potato ... it's fine |
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| 16:32.58 | devicenull | hm |
| 16:33.07 | guk | ive had a few package issues ... mind you ... but they usually just go away in time |
| 16:33.09 | devicenull | reportbug probably shouldnt assume that user@hostname is a valid email address :p |
| 16:33.31 | guk | well if you setup your system properly as a mail server it should |
| 16:33.46 | guk | mines right chris@solosoft.org ... chris is my user the system is solosoft.org and ironicly that's my email |
| 16:33.49 | devicenull | my system is behind a firewall, and I didn't bother setting it up as a mail server |
| 16:34.04 | guk | so is mine I just opened 2501 and got a nice redirect happening |
| 16:34.09 | guk | or 25 ... but ipv |
| 16:34.12 | guk | ipv6 |
| 16:34.12 | devicenull | does a machine with the sole purprose of being a htpc need to be a mailserver? I don't really think so |
| 16:34.57 | legis | bjwebb: probably |
| 16:34.59 | guk | why not ... |
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| 16:35.03 | guk | haha :D |
| 16:35.05 | legis | htpc? |
| 16:35.05 | bjwebb | legis: lol |
| 16:35.13 | guk | home theatre PC ... |
| 16:35.17 | devicenull | legis: it connects to my TV and plays video :p |
| 16:35.29 | legis | ah ok |
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| 16:36.46 | zfs | Here comes a classic: what are the benefits of Debian Testing/Unstable for a desktop system over Ubuntu? |
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| 16:37.11 | guk | if you want cushy GUI management and someoen to tell you how your setup is ... ubuntu |
| 16:37.23 | guk | if you want somthing a little more manual ... and configure to your liking ... then debian |
| 16:37.29 | guk | ubuntu doesn't like being customized |
| 16:37.31 | guk | it breaks it |
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| 16:38.01 | loganaden | greetings |
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| 16:38.42 | loganaden | I wish to use openssh 4.8 for its chroot feature |
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| 16:38.54 | loganaden | but don't want to move to sid as It's a production server |
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| 16:39.00 | DavidProck1981 | what is the shell command to hibernate |
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| 16:39.21 | guk | Im running testing ... I don't have too many issues with it ... once in awhile somthing is a little sick and is unable to update ... I try it again tomorrow it magicly fixes it ... |
| 16:39.34 | guk | mind you I would never do such on a production enviroment |
| 16:39.46 | guk | but for my lazy p3 ... meh ... it dies it dies i'll reconfigure it ... that's why god made backups |
| 16:39.52 | loganaden | guk, can't I try it from source ? |
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| 16:40.08 | guk | try what from source ? |
| 16:40.09 | loganaden | Guerin, any alternatives/workaround you can suggest ? |
| 16:40.17 | guk | for openssh |
| 16:40.19 | guk | sure why not |
| 16:40.25 | guk | apt-get build-dep ssh |
| 16:40.30 | guk | that gets all the build requirements |
| 16:40.33 | guk | then just compile it yourself |
| 16:40.36 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way i can get the PC to automaticly hibernate at 2:00 PM ? |
| 16:40.42 | `duKe` | is there a good NES game what you will choose when you are in a train for at least 7 hours? |
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| 16:40.47 | loganaden | guk, ok |
| 16:40.56 | zfs | guk: first of all, thank you. is lenny's repository enough to build a desktop? I mean it can be broken sometimes. actually I want debian for a fast, stable system and don't want to reinstall it forever. =) |
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| 16:40.58 | the-dude | DavidProck1981: you could use cron for that |
| 16:41.03 | guk | DavidProck1981: why not get it to S3 standby ... same shit but keeps all your shit in RAM so it comes on even quicker |
| 16:41.31 | guk | zfs: ive been running the "testing" scheme since potato ... and that's just randomly apt-get dist-upgrading |
| 16:41.34 | the-dude | zfs: its fine, testing isn't that hard as most ppl think it is |
| 16:41.39 | DavidProck1981 | i want a compleet powerdown at 2:00 pm if im not at the pc |
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| 16:41.44 | guk | naw ... it's just not for production enviroments ... |
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| 16:41.52 | DavidProck1981 | with a hibernat |
| 16:42.10 | guk | so if 5 9's is your plan ... keep off of testing ... since you said desktop ... chances are 5 9's are not in the picture ... and you'll get some more usablity off testing in that aspect |
| 16:42.23 | loganaden | guk, I'm basically looking for an SFTP-chroot SSH solution |
| 16:42.34 | DavidProck1981 | but i dont want it to do it every day, i want to set it to do it each day |
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| 16:42.39 | DavidProck1981 | the auto command |
| 16:42.39 | the-dude | testing is fine for running a desktop |
| 16:42.40 | guk | loganaden: oh ... no idea ... I just use the ssh that debian comes with and it does it's thing ... |
| 16:42.43 | enouf | loganaden: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:43.15 | enouf | loganaden: for building newer pkgs with older releases, basically |
| 16:43.26 | zfs | guk, the-dude: thanks again. by the way is there a repository which maintains nvidia kernel modules or does it make more sense building the modules with every kernel upgrade? |
| 16:43.36 | loganaden | enouf, that sure looks interesting |
| 16:43.38 | guk | I think debian does |
| 16:43.50 | guk | your talking to a 3Dfx voodoo 5 user here |
| 16:43.53 | guk | :/ |
| 16:43.57 | zfs | =) |
| 16:44.10 | guk | well last time I ran X on linux |
| 16:44.17 | Legality | just had a massive nostalgy moment |
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| 16:44.21 | guk | I of course took off that heat factory and slapped a 4mb ATI Rage on here |
| 16:44.22 | Legality | voodoo5 |
| 16:44.25 | zfs | sid was not maintaining as far as i remember. i don't know about testing. |
| 16:44.27 | guk | yup |
| 16:44.28 | guk | SLI . |
| 16:44.28 | Legality | man that had a nice looking package |
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| 16:44.36 | guk | 4x AA without losing FPS on all games |
| 16:44.36 | guk | <3 |
| 16:44.38 | Legality | SLI? You have really put some money on it |
| 16:44.38 | guk | quality |
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| 16:44.46 | guk | the voodoo 5 was SLI built in |
| 16:44.52 | Legality | reallyh? |
| 16:44.53 | guk | 2x 166MHz VIA chips in it |
| 16:44.56 | Legality | yea, could be |
| 16:45.08 | Legality | I had voodoo 3 |
| 16:45.08 | the-dude | zfs: build your own module with module-assistant |
| 16:45.11 | loganaden | enouf, hope it doesn't break anything :-) |
| 16:45.14 | Legality | it was great with half life |
| 16:45.18 | guk | yeah ... linux only sees it as a voodoo 4 ... with 1x 166mhz VIA chipset and 32mb of memory ... but wintendo see's it as a 2x 166mhz with 64mb |
| 16:45.29 | zfs | the-dude: thanks =) |
| 16:45.31 | guk | I can play HL1 with 4x AA on glide with that card flawless |
| 16:45.33 | guk | on a PII 350 |
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| 16:45.46 | enouf | DavidProck1981: maybe ~$ apt-cache show remind to help remind you to set/unset the cron? |
| 16:46.05 | maligor | VIA chips? |
| 16:46.05 | enouf | loganaden: right, Backups ftw ;-) |
| 16:46.15 | guk | yeah ... that's what the voodoo 5 used ... |
| 16:46.45 | maligor | I guess VIA is short for some codename and not the electronics company |
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| 16:47.00 | maligor | or do you think we could destroy VIA by eradicating all voodoo5s from the face of the earth |
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| 16:47.11 | guk | I think it is a company ... it's been awhile since I did anything with that |
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| 16:47.13 | joshteam | so i just got a new debian server and when i add a VirtualHost to the apache config and restart I get this: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName, any ideas? |
| 16:47.13 | guk | gimmie a second |
| 16:47.32 | guk | VSA |
| 16:47.34 | guk | im sorry |
| 16:47.39 | guk | oh wow ... as if I was so wrong |
| 16:47.40 | guk | im sorry |
| 16:47.42 | mikeones | hello |
| 16:47.46 | maligor | heh, voodoo scalable archtechture sounds like |
| 16:48.03 | guk | I had VIA on the brain it seems |
| 16:48.47 | mikeones | just installed debian form a bussiness card and am curious if there is a netcardconfig app or similar to configure wireless besides iwconfig and ifconfig? |
| 16:48.47 | the-dude | joshteam: is your machine able to resolve the name of the virtual host? |
| 16:49.00 | vsd | what is a good cli mail client? |
| 16:49.06 | DavidProck1981 | ok i want it to do it on mon through fri .... BUT NOT Sat & Sun, so how can i set that up on cron |
| 16:49.15 | joshteam | the-dude: VirtualHost *:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results |
| 16:49.32 | DavidProck1981 | the auto hibernate that is |
| 16:49.39 | \amethyst | vsd: do you really want CLI, or just something to run in a terminal? |
| 16:49.44 | maligor | guk, I remember looking in horrified wonder at those cards, but they're pretty mild compared to modern cards |
| 16:49.45 | DavidProck1981 | at 2:00 PM |
| 16:50.18 | vsd | \amethyst, is there a difference? |
| 16:50.31 | the-dude | joshteam: remove the *:80 |
| 16:50.38 | guk | it's a nice card |
| 16:50.40 | \amethyst | vsd: CLI is command-line: you type commands to the program, followed by enter |
| 16:50.51 | guk | it uses alot of power for sure ... it's HUGE too ... haha ... but whatever it does work well |
| 16:50.54 | guk | and does the trick |
| 16:50.54 | \amethyst | vsd: mailx and nail would be examples of such programs |
| 16:51.09 | guk | esp if you like older games ... it can throw 4x AA onto anything ... with 0 reduction in performance |
| 16:51.16 | guk | where do you think nvidia got it's SLI ideas |
| 16:51.26 | vsd | \amethyst, ok the terminal then |
| 16:51.33 | maligor | guk, no, it doesn't use a lot of power, you just have to look at the cooling solution and compare it to highend nvidia or ati |
| 16:51.45 | joshteam | the-dude: so just <virtualhost> ? |
| 16:52.00 | \amethyst | vsd: I have heard good things about mutt. I use xemacs and M-x vm, myself |
| 16:52.03 | guk | maligor: for it's time ... it uses retarded amounts of power for it's age ... |
| 16:52.15 | guk | considering it's about as powerfull as a GeForce 4 |
| 16:52.23 | DavidProck1981 | ? ok if i want the PC to auto hibernate at 2:00 PM on everyday BUT NOT on Sat or Sun,,, useing cron how would i do it, what command ??? |
| 16:52.31 | \amethyst | vsd: there'a also alpine |
| 16:52.44 | vsd | \amethyst, not on the repos. alpine that is |
| 16:52.50 | joshteam | the-dude: i sent u a pm of my current vhost file |
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| 16:53.05 | guk | and my geforce 4 ran without a fan for about 5 years now ... and it's still fine ... think of slowing down that fan on the voodoo and it would peolly melt |
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| 16:53.09 | \amethyst | vsd: it's in lenny, and is also available through backports |
| 16:53.10 | guk | and it requires a molex adapter for power |
| 16:53.18 | stew | DavidProck1981: 0 14 * * 1-5 |
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| 16:53.45 | \amethyst | vsd: it's based on the old (not completely free) PINE, if you've ever used that or seen it used |
| 16:53.53 | guk | 00:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 210888CX [Mach64 CX] (rev 01) |
| 16:54.02 | \amethyst | vsd: 'based on' in terms of interface, not code |
| 16:54.13 | guk | im running this now cause of the lack of fan ... and the conrtoller to support the ATI TV tuner (the old ass ISA ones they made in 96) |
| 16:54.30 | vsd | \amethyst, how do i get the backport? |
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| 16:54.53 | vsd | \amethyst, i know pine. it was from a uni right? why not free anymore? |
| 16:54.59 | \amethyst | !backports.org |
| 16:54.59 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 16:55.17 | Snadder | Anyone know why I cant get sound on my flv's when encoding h264/mp4a videos in lenny. it worked in etch? |
| 16:55.56 | \amethyst | vsd: since 3.9.2 it's been non-free because they don't allow you to distribute modified versions |
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| 16:56.26 | the-dude | joshteam: I can't go private cause I am not registred here |
| 16:56.52 | stew | vsd: it was never free. the authors do not allow the redistribution of modified copies |
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| 16:57.25 | guk | pull a windows ... and just make it happen without a license |
| 16:57.32 | \amethyst | stew: it originally said "Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software . . ." |
| 16:57.50 | vsd | ah ok |
| 16:58.18 | \amethyst | stew: the copyright holders (I don't know if they authors are involved or not) at some point decided that didn't mean you could *both* modify and distribute |
| 16:58.31 | stew | \amethyst: right |
| 16:58.49 | stew | http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html #4 |
| 16:59.06 | Snadder | !ffmpeg |
| 16:59.06 | dpkg | Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer |
| 16:59.12 | guk | fuck the copyright holders ... |
| 16:59.13 | \amethyst | stew: but AIUI that wasn't always the interpretation |
| 16:59.21 | guk | no one listens to the RIAA and the MPAA why would some uni kids make a difference |
| 16:59.34 | guk | copyright is just a suggestion |
| 16:59.39 | \amethyst | It's not uni kids, it's uni lawyers |
| 16:59.54 | enouf | ambulance chasers? |
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| 17:01.02 | guk | like I said copyrights are just a suggestion ... just make it happen keep it quiet ... as long as your not making profit off it ... who cares ... who would know but you ... ;) |
| 17:01.08 | stew | guk: stop |
| 17:01.28 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.36 | \amethyst | guk: The question is why Debian doesn't ship pine |
| 17:01.42 | stew | guk: if your suggestion is that debian should ignore copyrights and illegally distribute software, you aren't going to find support here. and advocating that people violate copyright licenses here is not welcome |
| 17:02.00 | \amethyst | guk: if debian routinely intentionally violated copyrights, it would have been shut down long ago |
| 17:02.01 | Snadder | I suspect ffmpeg dosnt support mp3 in lenny.. anyone know why and how to fix it? |
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| 17:02.05 | guk | oh of course im not ... it's defintiely wrong ... and for a company ... well not a company ... but close like debian ... it would be illegal |
| 17:02.07 | guk | they would be profiting off it |
| 17:02.09 | guk | that's wrong |
| 17:02.19 | guk | but for personal use it yourself is another totally different thing that's all |
| 17:02.23 | \amethyst | guk: it's also illegal for individuals. |
| 17:02.28 | guk | is it ? |
| 17:02.31 | \amethyst | yes |
| 17:02.35 | guk | since when |
| 17:03.09 | guk | hmm ... I remember snagging the source compiling that along time ago for fun ... I know there was a big license thing happening with it ... but this is like 1998 |
| 17:03.12 | DavidProck1981 | when i update crontab is there a command i need to run to update cron |
| 17:03.13 | guk | haha |
| 17:03.14 | \amethyst | guk: Criminal or civil penalties? |
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| 17:03.59 | stew | < guk> since when ; since the 1700s in the US |
| 17:04.05 | guk | hmm... whatever I guess ... |
| 17:04.34 | guk | ima get a copy now and compile it ... just because I can |
| 17:04.39 | EvilDin | hi, how can i install pgbench on debian, i installed postgresql-contrib-8.1, but there is still now program called like this ? |
| 17:04.39 | guk | brb |
| 17:04.42 | luquee | i have a debian etch r3 y try to setup a cable usb to serial but my sistem not sow me a /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 17:04.47 | luquee | what can i do |
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| 17:04.54 | \amethyst | guk: commercial infringement (in the US) has been criminal for a long time. And 'commercial' doesn't mean 'a company' |
| 17:04.54 | luquee | i have a debian etch r3 y try to setup a cable usb to serial but my sistem not sow me a /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 17:05.23 | \amethyst | guk: if you trade unlicensed software for other unlicensed software, that is considered commercial |
| 17:05.23 | luquee | help me |
| 17:05.28 | luquee | thanks |
| 17:05.28 | \amethyst | for example |
| 17:05.33 | guk | trade ... now your trading |
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| 17:06.10 | guk | no no ... trust me ... im mr who cares about copyright ... I don't believe in paying or profiting from it in ANY ANY way possible |
| 17:06.14 | luquee | i run modprobe usbserial but nothing happend |
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| 17:06.56 | guk | that's sick ... you don't profit off it ... personal use tho ... meh ... who cares ... just pretend you never saw the EULA ... do your thing ... and move on with life ... now distributing it ... selling it ... mas burning it ... etc etc is defintiely not right and im with you 100% on that |
| 17:07.07 | sandman | TightVNC vs. the normal vnc4 package? |
| 17:07.26 | stew | guk: drop it |
| 17:07.37 | the-dude | davi: try crontab -e |
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| 17:10.27 | arcsky | When i remote computers with Terminal Server Client with setting "Operate in Full screen" i leave that screen and use "switch -F" doesnt work neither... anyone know what to do ? |
| 17:10.43 | vsd | is there a way to instruct less to start from the end? |
| 17:11.11 | abrotman | tail ? |
| 17:11.16 | the-dude | vsd: you mean tail ? |
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| 17:13.06 | vsd | yes but ...behave like less |
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| 17:13.14 | paparsifal | hi there |
| 17:13.26 | paparsifal | is there a postfix guru in here ? |
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| 17:14.15 | paparsifal | i need advice on how to setup my mail box to do simple but strange things |
| 17:14.23 | the-dude | like what? |
| 17:14.23 | benjamindees | what does it mean when 'dig host.domain.local' and 'nslookup host.domain.local' return valid IPs but 'ping host.domain.local' says 'unknown host' ?? |
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| 17:15.30 | the-dude | that ping isn't able to use a dns server? |
| 17:15.50 | fugit | vsd: don't know if this helps but shift g will jump you to the end. |
| 17:16.15 | \amethyst | benjamindees: possibly that there's something wrong with the 'hosts' line in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 17:16.28 | paparsifal | i want that emails with From: "exemple@toto.com" be Bcc to 4 differents adresses |
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| 17:16.55 | \amethyst | benjamindees: to verify, try: getent hosts host.domain.local ; if it fails, then it's definitely nsswitch's problem |
| 17:17.08 | benjamindees | it says 'hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4' |
| 17:17.27 | \amethyst | benjamindees: change that to hosts: files dns mdns4 |
| 17:17.33 | \amethyst | benjamindees: (or get rid of mdns4) |
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| 17:17.46 | benjamindees | I don't even know how it got there (or what it is really) |
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| 17:18.34 | \amethyst | benjamindees: possibly libnss-mdns (recommended by avahi-daemon and by sun-java[56]-bin |
| 17:18.37 | \amethyst | ) |
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| 17:18.52 | enouf | there was a libmdns issue iirc, stemmed from avahi-daemon? |
| 17:19.05 | enouf | ahh libnss-mdns ;-) |
| 17:19.22 | benjamindees | \amethyst, that command returns nothing |
| 17:19.24 | paparsifal | i also want mail From: me@mywebhost.com be Bcc to me@mywebhost.com and modified with Reply-to: Anotheradress@myhost.com |
| 17:19.32 | \amethyst | battlemidget: what command? |
| 17:19.34 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:19.38 | \amethyst | benjamindees: what command? |
| 17:19.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.18 | benjamindees | \amethyst, getent hosts host.domain.local |
| 17:20.21 | paparsifal | i end up on using postfix content_filter on smtp |
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| 17:20.38 | paparsifal | writing a perl script content filter do do that |
| 17:21.09 | \amethyst | benjamindees: so it's not able to resolve it |
| 17:21.21 | paparsifal | can't i do that with amavisd new ? or anithing else ? |
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| 17:21.38 | paparsifal | is some1 reading what i'm writting ? |
| 17:21.39 | vsd | fugit: thanks! |
| 17:21.43 | abrotman | eh .. can i uhm .. change the options of a long running process in /proc/<pid>/ without issue? |
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| 17:22.09 | \amethyst | benjamindees: If you're using DNS and not zeroconf/avahi/mDNS for your .local domain, then you want to get rid of the mdns_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] part in nsswitch.conf |
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| 17:23.07 | benjamindees | ugh, I hate avahi; should have removed it a long time ago; please tell me it won't be in lenny? |
| 17:23.28 | \amethyst | it's not going away any time soon |
| 17:23.39 | \amethyst | don't name your domain 'local' and you should be fine :) |
| 17:23.59 | abrotman | benjamindees: going to be around for a long time |
| 17:24.34 | benjamindees | what the hell, every basic networking guide ever suggests you can make up your own .local domain. I didn't even do this one, the CCNA upstairs did, but I've done it before. |
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| 17:25.08 | \amethyst | benjamindees: you can also configure mDNS to respond for a different domain |
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| 17:25.31 | benjamindees | avahi is just broken; in other ways as well; like the random useless ip addresses it auto-configures whenever it can't fetch an address from DHCP... |
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| 17:26.03 | \amethyst | benjamindees: with /etc/mdns.allow (see the README.html that enouf mentioned) |
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| 17:26.09 | benjamindees | \amethyst, or I can remove it :) |
| 17:26.24 | benjamindees | why the hell it was in a default install anyways, I have no idea. |
| 17:26.26 | rwaite | i hate how every time i install a package, 10 others get installed with it |
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| 17:26.54 | \amethyst | benjamindees: yes, avahi+libnss-mdns is usually only recommended |
| 17:27.09 | abrotman | benjamindees: would you like some cheese? |
| 17:27.36 | \amethyst | benjamindees: it's for network autoconfiguration (lighter-weight than DHCP+DNS) |
| 17:27.42 | \amethyst | benjamindees: what Apple calls 'bonjour' |
| 17:27.48 | abrotman | zeroconf |
| 17:27.49 | benjamindees | \amethyst, I absolutely did not install avahi, apt-get just removed libnss-mdns without complaint, and I very rarely use aptitude, so what the hell? |
| 17:28.02 | abrotman | that's why it didn't complain |
| 17:28.18 | \amethyst | benjamindees: did you install sun-java6-bin? cupsys? rhythmbox? |
| 17:28.28 | abrotman | still wonders about edting in /proc/ |
| 17:28.32 | benjamindees | \amethyst, yeah, it doesn't work for network autoconfiguration. |
| 17:29.00 | benjamindees | I'm sure I have cupsys |
| 17:29.20 | \amethyst | benjamindees: the idea is that each computer runs avahi-daemon or zeroconf and bonjour; then you plug in a new computer running a similar daemon and it's just available |
| 17:29.44 | \amethyst | s/and b/or b/ |
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| 17:29.58 | abrotman | !zeroconf |
| 17:29.58 | dpkg | Zeroconf or Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf |
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| 17:31.06 | \amethyst | benjamindees: again, if you don't need it, it's fine to reinstall. The problem is probably that you installed cupsys and didn't use --without-recommends |
| 17:31.12 | kdub432 | so gdb is not working in etch. it complains it cannot read a valid object from memory. this points to a kernel problem, i think. anyone know of a workaround? |
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| 17:32.01 | \amethyst | benjamindees: probably, cupsys recommends it because some modern network printers use zeroconf to make themselves available over the network |
| 17:32.28 | \amethyst | kdub432: what's the exact error message? |
| 17:32.52 | \amethyst | kdub432: oh, 'Failed to read . . .' ? |
| 17:33.12 | kdub432 | \amethyst: Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. |
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| 17:34.27 | \amethyst | kdub432: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401482 |
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| 17:35.52 | \amethyst | kdub432: claims to be fixed in 2.6.23; or there are patches available for older kernels in the bug's thread |
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| 17:36.56 | kdub432 | \amethyst: i'm working on building a 2.6.25 kernel now, hopefully it fixes it |
| 17:38.36 | benjamindees | \amethyst, thank-you for your time; abrotman, thanks for the sarcastic prodding :p |
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| 17:38.47 | abrotman | any time! |
| 17:39.22 | enouf | sucks :-P .. and still not sure what abrotman 's question is all about |
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| 17:40.00 | twobitwork | hmm... so if I have a package that I'm building, but it doesn't have a .dsc, what's the prefered way to build it using pbuilder? |
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| 17:41.09 | stew | twobitwork: pdebuild |
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| 17:43.11 | twobitwork | stew: I don't understand... it doesn't seem to help |
| 17:43.36 | twobitwork | i.e., my problem is that pbuilder assumes that I'm building from a .dsc, and to do otherwise seems to involve lots of --execute script hackery |
| 17:43.36 | KomiaPoika | in debian i changed all the display of the kdm login manager, but when i relog, i still see the old login manager with debian defaults... why? |
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| 17:43.53 | abrotman | KomiaPoika: dpkg-reconfigure kdm .. make it the default |
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| 17:45.37 | rwaite | cant wait till the new openbox is in lenny |
| 17:45.41 | twobitwork | stew: in otherwords, the application that I'm packaging is all perl, so there's no need for a source package... so I have a directory with a 'debian' subdirectory, but I want to build it in a chroot |
| 17:45.44 | rwaite | stupid vmware bug |
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| 17:47.07 | twobitwork | you mean, openbox, the window manager? |
| 17:47.15 | \amethyst | twobitwork: why not just make dscs solely to please pbuilder |
| 17:47.15 | rwaite | yah |
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| 17:47.36 | \amethyst | twobitwork: after all, pbuilder is for building Debian packages, and Debian packages have dscs |
| 17:47.40 | KomiaPoika | abrotman: thanks, kdm was already the default, but i had to do dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:47.41 | rwaite | theres this annoying bug where when vmware is running none of the keybindings work |
| 17:47.44 | twobitwork | \amethyst: well... dpkg-buildpackage seems to assume that I have a Makefile in the package, and I haven't figured out how to get around that |
| 17:48.15 | twobitwork | I can't remember, but it seemed like there were other problems too |
| 17:48.22 | \amethyst | twobitwork: dpkg-buildpackage shouldn't run (directly) any makefiles other than debian/rules |
| 17:48.31 | \amethyst | twobitwork: you do have a functioning debian/rules, right? |
| 17:48.36 | twobitwork | yes |
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| 17:49.23 | benjamindees | twobitwork, debian/rules has to be a makefile |
| 17:49.43 | rwaite | i agree. debian rules! |
| 17:50.02 | twobitwork | benjamindees: I know this... but I seem to remember it wanting to run make in the base of the package and complaining about not having a Makefile |
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| 17:50.23 | twobitwork | but actually, now that I try it again, it seems to work |
| 17:50.36 | twobitwork | I can't remember exactly what I was trying before now that I think about it |
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| 17:53.28 | doublehp | which program can extract images/pictures from .doc files ? antiword ? I need to do it just the same way as unzip would do it for .sxw or .odt files. |
| 17:54.07 | benjamindees | doublehp, that's gsf |
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| 17:54.45 | doublehp | benjamindees: ??? |
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| 17:55.28 | benjamindees | doublehp, apt-get install libgsf-bin |
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| 17:56.00 | doublehp | benjamindees: will that include a binary to run ? |
| 17:56.49 | stew | twobitwork: if you have a valid debian/ directory, pdebuild, will create a .dsc for you by first running dpkg-source -b |
| 17:57.05 | \amethyst | doublehp: wv might be able to do that |
| 17:57.25 | \amethyst | benjamindees: huh? does libgsf handle Microsoft Word documents? |
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| 17:58.07 | \amethyst | benjamindees: ah, so it does |
| 17:58.21 | \amethyst | benjamindees: neat, I had thought it was only for free formats |
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| 17:58.45 | \amethyst | doublehp: yes, it includes the binary 'gsf' |
| 17:59.06 | \amethyst | doublehp: (as well as gsf-vba-dump and gsf-office-thumbnailer) |
| 17:59.09 | doublehp | \amethyst: seems like so : http://rafb.net/p/vrYHP976.html |
| 17:59.14 | smacnay | I have a working nvidia driver in Deb testing and am wondering if it is safe to d/l and install the nvidia drivers from sid? My current driver is to be removed if I run dist-upgrade and I have learned that the nvidia drivers are not provided in "testing". |
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| 17:59.54 | smacnay | My current driver was prepared by the nvidia maintainer almost one year ago and d/l from his personla page. |
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| 18:00.04 | jaggz- | does anyone else have this vim-hanging problem? when I suspend (^Z) and run a command, fg hangs until I hit CTRL-C, at which time vim will redraw and be fine once again. |
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| 18:00.12 | doublehp | \amethyst: in Gentoo I see wv and wv2 ... |
| 18:00.18 | corr | those stupid gentoo weenies |
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| 18:01.00 | doublehp | rwaite: are you a bot ? |
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| 18:01.46 | rwaite | says yes i'm a bot! |
| 18:02.12 | jaggz- | "We know you're all robots... and we don't care!" |
| 18:02.12 | rwaite | actually, no, no i'm not a bot |
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| 18:02.51 | benjamindees | is a flobot |
| 18:02.54 | rwaite | lol |
| 18:03.39 | rwaite | hey does anyone know of a currently working yahoo chat client for linux |
| 18:03.51 | rwaite | i used to use curfloo/curphoo but they no longer work |
| 18:03.57 | seeds | gyache |
| 18:04.08 | seeds | gyach i meant |
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| 18:04.13 | rwaite | ugh. command line preferably |
| 18:04.14 | smacnay | rwaite, pidgin |
| 18:04.22 | rwaite | pidgin does chat now? |
| 18:04.26 | smacnay | rwaite, maybe kopete |
| 18:04.31 | rwaite | like, LFS:1? |
| 18:04.38 | smacnay | not sure |
| 18:04.41 | seeds | pidgin is good |
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| 18:04.43 | rwaite | i wanna go into the rooms |
| 18:04.45 | jaggz- | yeah, pidgin handles chat too |
| 18:05.01 | seeds | am using pidgin right now |
| 18:05.12 | rwaite | cool |
| 18:05.36 | rwaite | whoa. pidgin reuires 46 libs |
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| 18:06.07 | rascal999_ | does debian support intel wireless cards? |
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| 18:06.38 | the-dude | some |
| 18:06.43 | seeds | yea some |
| 18:06.59 | rascal999_ | on a tc1100 tablet? HP? |
| 18:07.11 | the-dude | what chipset does it have? |
| 18:07.18 | rascal999_ | not sure |
| 18:07.22 | rascal999_ | I'll link spec sheet |
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| 18:08.54 | rascal999_ | http://www.tabletpc2.com/Review-HPTC1100.htm http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11755_na/11755_na.HTML |
| 18:09.56 | smacnay | rwaite, try centericq - look into it |
| 18:10.19 | KomiaPoika | how do i create encrypted lvm on second hard drive? |
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| 18:12.21 | mike-ekim | hi, i set up wifi on my PC with ubuntu studio desktop, and used ndiswrapper |
| 18:12.32 | mike-ekim | all drivers work and are recognized, but i think i missed the alias creation of wlan0, can someone help me withthis? |
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| 18:12.38 | doublehp | \amethyst: did not get gsf or antiword do it .... |
| 18:12.41 | the-dude | rascal999_: should work |
| 18:12.52 | mike-ekim | any ideas? |
| 18:13.01 | mike-ekim | using ndiswrapper to initialize the driver |
| 18:13.04 | mike-ekim | it works fine |
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| 18:13.15 | rascal999_ | the-dude: thanku |
| 18:13.26 | benjamindees | mike-ekim, that's great, ask in #ubuntu |
| 18:13.27 | the-dude | rascal999_: see http://stefan.desire.ch/howto/x41debian/ |
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| 18:14.19 | pschorf | i'm having trouble listening on any ports besides 80 with apache |
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| 18:15.06 | Pryon | pschorf: what's the trouble? |
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| 18:15.38 | KomiaPoika | how can i create a encrypted partition on the second hard drive? |
| 18:15.53 | the-dude | KomiaPoika: by reading a howto |
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| 18:16.25 | pschorf | Pryon: bugger, i forgot to forward the ports |
| 18:16.32 | pschorf | that fixed it |
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| 18:17.28 | gadi_ | i need of /sbin/consoletype, what is package ? |
| 18:17.44 | keith4 | !tell gadi_ about search |
| 18:18.33 | pschorf | Can someone trying browsing to www.paulschorfheide.com? |
| 18:18.33 | pschorf | i was having reachability issues |
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| 18:18.34 | good_dana | is there a majordomo irc support channel? |
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| 18:19.50 | gadi_ | ./msg dpkg no results for consoletype |
| 18:20.04 | the-dude | pschorf: doesn't seem to work |
| 18:20.13 | pschorf | the-dude: thanks |
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| 18:21.41 | pschorf | I'm having some reachability problems with my webserver: i can access it by IP or by domain name internally, but external connections time out..my firewall is off and i forwarded ports 80 and 443 |
| 18:21.44 | pschorf | any ideas? |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | good_dana: i don't think i've seen one .. doesn't mean it doesn't exist i suppose |
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| 18:22.24 | the-dude | pschorf: netstat -tan does it run on all interfaces? |
| 18:22.30 | good_dana | abrotman: i think majordomo is too out of style to have one on freenode |
| 18:23.34 | abrotman | good_dana: well .. it is a mailing list manager .. they probably figure they have to eat their own cooking :) |
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| 18:24.30 | pschorf | the-dude: i can see ports 80 and 443 are listening, if that's what you mean |
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| 18:24.41 | the-dude | pschorf: which ip's ? |
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| 18:25.28 | pschorf | the-dude: they're listed as IPv6 addresses, i think: tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
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| 18:26.06 | g00se | Trying to build wireless card driver.Just wondering how i alter the all target of the Makefile here ( http://pastebin.com/d5c9cb367 ), given i've downloaded the kernel source and got it into /tmp/build/linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1/arch/i386 ? |
| 18:26.15 | Elrond__ | hi |
| 18:26.16 | abrotman | which driver? |
| 18:26.17 | peleg | when I try $ ssh 1.2.3.4, I get a line that asks for "Enter passphrase for key '/home/peleg/.ssh/id_rsa':" - just like when I try $ ssh peleg@yogiley.org. the problem happens when others try to $ ssh 1.2.3.4 - they probably need my personal key to enter, right? |
| 18:26.37 | abrotman | the key passphrase |
| 18:26.39 | the-dude | pschorf: your ip is 68.187.242.177 ? |
| 18:26.40 | dondelelcaro | peleg: not necessarily. |
| 18:26.46 | pschorf | yes |
| 18:27.08 | dondelelcaro | peleg: you can either ssh with key authentication, passphrase authentication (kerberos, and a few other methods, though those are much less common) |
| 18:27.11 | joshteam | Does MySQL come open or closed to the world by default? |
| 18:27.13 | rascal999_ | does debian live enable you to install debian on the hdd? |
| 18:27.14 | joshteam | on Debian |
| 18:27.24 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: it should only be listening on localhost, iirc. |
| 18:27.25 | Elrond__ | why when i played enemy territory i got some freez and i must reset my pc with the button ! |
| 18:27.27 | g00se | abrotman: was the 'which driver?' question for me ? ;-) |
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| 18:27.43 | pschorf | the-dude: yes |
| 18:27.46 | the-dude | pschorf: do you see anything is syslog or so? |
| 18:27.47 | peleg | dondelelcaro: but it's like that at the moment. how can I change it? |
| 18:27.50 | dondelelcaro | rascal999_: you always can; I don't seem to recall it having a special installer, though. |
| 18:27.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:27.59 | dondelelcaro | peleg: what do you want to do? |
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| 18:28.06 | the-dude | pschorf: or apache logs ? |
| 18:28.11 | rascal999_ | what do you mean by a special installer? |
| 18:28.11 | g00se | abrotman: rt61 linux driver |
| 18:28.11 | joshteam | dondelelcaro: familiar with how to open it up? |
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| 18:28.24 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: edit /etc/mysql/my.conf; it's commented and pretty obvious. |
| 18:28.32 | joshteam | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 18:28.33 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: you should also have set a root password for mysql before you do that. |
| 18:28.38 | pschorf | the-dude: my access log only has local IP's connecting |
| 18:28.38 | Elrond__ | why when i played enemy territory i got some freez and i must reset my pc with the button ! |
| 18:28.47 | g00se | (That's an Edimax card - a good and cheap one) |
| 18:29.07 | the-dude | pschorf: which firewall do you use? |
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| 18:29.37 | Pryon | pschorf: the way a telnet to port 80 behaves, it looks like your router is dropping external packets in the bit bucket (i.e. no conn refused, etc) |
| 18:29.47 | peleg | dondelelcaro: I am not sure. I am trying to let other people checkout from my svn repository. to address of that repository is "svn+ssh://www.freeallweb.org/var/svn/salary.freeallweb.org", which will accept only peleg's password, but not other passwords. |
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| 18:30.03 | g00se | abrotman: i think the problem is that it expects Redhat-style source trees |
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| 18:30.16 | abrotman | g00se: that driver isn't in etch already? |
| 18:30.19 | pschorf | the-dude: none currently, it is a fresh Debian install and I haven't bothered yet |
| 18:30.29 | g00se | abrotman: afaik no |
| 18:30.30 | peleg | maybe I should try "svn+ssh://otheruser@www.freeallweb.org/var/svn/salary.freeallweb.org" ? |
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| 18:31.13 | the-dude | pschorf: show me your apache configs? |
| 18:31.34 | Pryon | pschorf: Is it possible that charter is blocking incoming connections to port 80 for residential accounts? |
| 18:31.53 | Pryon | Have you tried a non-standard port > 1024? |
| 18:31.57 | pschorf | Pryon: that could be, i just brought the computer home from school |
| 18:31.58 | g00se | abrotman: at least apt-cache search reveals nothing |
| 18:32.12 | pschorf | Pryon: port 8080 is being listened to, could you try that? |
| 18:32.26 | Pryon | I can connect to that |
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| 18:32.52 | dondelelcaro | peleg: you should actually have an http/dav connection to the svn server |
| 18:33.13 | pschorf | Pryon: i will look at charter's web page, thanks for the tip |
| 18:33.19 | dondelelcaro | peleg: so it'll be svn://www.freeallweb.org/something; but if you want people to be able to write, they'll have to use their own users. |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | !tell g00se about rt61 |
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| 18:33.44 | dondelelcaro | whoever, set up that server should know (or if it's you, you should be able to configure it that way) |
| 18:33.56 | abrotman | !tell g00se about rt2x00 |
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| 18:35.10 | Pryon | pschorf: I can guarantee you that your terms of service say no web servers |
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| 18:35.49 | peleg | dondelelcaro: they do have users, even in the svn group; I want them to be able to write. |
| 18:35.51 | g00se | abrotman: yes - looks like there is rt2x00-source . Wonder how close that is though? |
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| 18:36.03 | dondelelcaro | peleg: oh, then they should just log in as their user@themachine |
| 18:36.16 | dondelelcaro | peleg: and assuming the repository is g+w for the group that you all share, it should all be fine. |
| 18:36.16 | abrotman | g00se: m-a a-i rt2x00 .. find out |
| 18:36.21 | peleg | dondelelcaro: right, but I am using rapidsvn, |
| 18:36.28 | peleg | which do everything in one line. |
| 18:36.30 | dondelelcaro | peleg: so? |
| 18:36.36 | peleg | so I thought to use "svn+ssh://asaf@www.freeallweb.org/var/svn/salary.freeallweb.org" |
| 18:36.42 | pschorf | Pryon: thanks for the help, looks like i'm out of business until this fall |
| 18:36.43 | dondelelcaro | peleg: the user gets encoded into the url, just like that. |
| 18:36.45 | peleg | otherwise it won't accept their password. |
| 18:36.54 | dondelelcaro | (there's no other way to do it) |
| 18:37.14 | joshteam | dondelelcaro: i read the relatively small cnf file, and can't see anything except maybe the bind-address = 127.0.0.1 property, idea? |
| 18:37.18 | dondelelcaro | well, I lie; you can use .ssh/config, and you can also reset RSH, but... |
| 18:37.19 | peleg | dondelelcaro: wait: are you saying that my solution won't work, or is it the only solution ? |
| 18:37.25 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: that would be it... |
| 18:37.36 | joshteam | dondelelcaro: forgive me, but I am not sure what to set it to? |
| 18:37.38 | dondelelcaro | peleg: I'm saying that your solution is the usual way you do it. |
| 18:37.43 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: 0.0.0.0 or similar. |
| 18:37.50 | g00se | abrotman: thanks - shall check it out |
| 18:37.53 | peleg | dondelelcaro: oh, thanks! I'll try that |
| 18:37.54 | joshteam | dondelelcaro: 0.0.0.0 will open it up? |
| 18:38.11 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: that'll make it bind to all addresses, which will mean that you can access it from external machines. |
| 18:38.17 | joshteam | thanks |
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| 18:38.19 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 18:38.54 | joshteam | dondelelcaro: familar with how to restart mysql? :-p |
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| 18:38.59 | joshteam | I know, i am really green at this |
| 18:39.06 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: same way you restart anything; /etc/init.d/mysql restart; |
| 18:39.17 | dondelelcaro | !grounding |
| 18:39.18 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 18:39.26 | dondelelcaro | joshteam: see above; that'll help get you started |
| 18:39.35 | dserban | hey, does zgrep have the same command switches as grep does? |
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| 18:39.43 | dondelelcaro | dserban: in general, yes. |
| 18:39.45 | Terminus | hello. question regarding ipv6. in /etc/network/interfaces, i've got allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet6 static, address fc00::1:1, netmask 7. why isn't the ipv6 address assigned to eth0 on bootup? |
| 18:39.52 | joshteam | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 18:40.22 | dondelelcaro | dserban: it's really just a wrapper around grep that calls gzip -cdfq before |
| 18:41.07 | stew | though unfortunately -r doesn't work |
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| 18:41.31 | simonrvn | gotta do the find | xargs thing :/ |
| 18:41.32 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah; no clue how that'd work anyway. ;-) |
| 18:42.17 | stew | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 18:42.19 | dondelelcaro | honestly almost never uses grep -r, though |
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| 18:42.35 | dondelelcaro | stew: well, it's kind of non-sensical as to what it should run gzip on |
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| 18:42.57 | dondelelcaro | (since you almost certainly don't want it running gzip on everything) |
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| 18:43.01 | stew | dondelelcaro: it already handles non-gzipped files just fine. (try zgrep root /etc/passwd) |
| 18:43.35 | dondelelcaro | hrm; well, there's no reason why it couldn't be special cased, then. |
| 18:43.43 | dondelelcaro | though it makes the codebase more complex and ugly |
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| 18:44.26 | dondelelcaro | (and it'd probably actually end up calling find {} |xargs gzip -cdfq instead of just gzip... |
| 18:44.46 | keith80403 | Running unstable at the moment, is the BTS the best place to find what changes have been made to programs such as aptitude ? |
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| 18:44.59 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: reading the changelog is |
| 18:45.12 | dondelelcaro | the bts is the best place to figure out what bugs are affecting aptitude |
| 18:45.25 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, OK, I'll note that - thanks. |
| 18:45.27 | stew | i do really like that that these tools handle non-gzipped files, since doing somehting like "zless *" in a docs directory where dh_installdocs has gzipped SOME of the files works |
| 18:45.41 | format_c | find and xargs should better be used with the -print0 and -0 switch to use zerobyte string terminator instead of whitespace |
| 18:45.50 | dondelelcaro | format_c: obviously |
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| 18:45.55 | topeira | Hi guys |
| 18:46.06 | topeira | any Qt mantainer? |
| 18:46.10 | dondelelcaro | is just giving shorthand |
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| 18:46.27 | dondelelcaro | topeira: best to just ask your question |
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| 18:46.30 | debian- | Hello |
| 18:46.38 | debian- | Do I have to configure xsane before use? |
| 18:46.59 | debian- | Because it isnt finding my hp psc 1317 |
| 18:47.13 | topeira | dondek: to enable phonon in Qt 4.4 package, do I have to install libphonon and kdelibs from kde4 too? |
| 18:47.21 | topeira | dondelelcaro: : to enable phonon in Qt 4.4 package, do I have to install libphonon and kdelibs from kde4 too? |
| 18:47.40 | topeira | Ã'd like to use gstreamer backend in linux |
| 18:47.43 | streuner | debian-: is that device supported? |
| 18:48.04 | debian- | streuner: Quite sure I used before sometime with Kubuntu |
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| 18:48.49 | debian- | Can I open xane without any devices? |
| 18:49.20 | dondelelcaro | topeira: most likely you can just install libphonon4, but I personally don't know about that. |
| 18:49.40 | topeira | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks! |
| 18:50.19 | streuner | debian-: Did you read http://www.xsane.org/doc/sane-xsane-doc.html yet? |
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| 18:51.03 | debian- | streuner: Is kooka a bether choise? |
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| 18:51.37 | streuner | no idea |
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| 18:52.43 | streuner | Scanner support using the SANE library. out of there website... |
| 18:52.49 | wng-- | I'm trying to set up my .Xdefaults the same way I have it working in arch linux on debian te/exit |
| 18:53.00 | debian- | streuner: I cannot get to the settings, because it tells me it is no devices. |
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| 18:53.49 | abrotman | find the driver that makes it work .. does lsusb or whatever see it attached? |
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| 18:54.13 | streuner | debian-: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
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| 18:54.52 | and][ng | hi, I created a live with live-magic and the keymap was completely messed up, has this already been reported? |
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| 18:55.27 | debian- | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 18:55.39 | debian- | is that what you need? |
| 18:55.43 | Bushmills | i guess i'll drop debtorrent again. nice idea to reduce load but 400 mb virt, whereof 220 mb res mem is just too much. |
| 18:55.45 | And1 | Anyone may tell me, how to install "picard" on Etch? |
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| 18:55.59 | streuner | debian-: no, we need the whole output of that command |
| 18:56.01 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 18:57.19 | unfancyness | And1, ensign, engage! |
| 18:58.02 | keith4 | lol |
| 18:58.15 | stew | And1: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:59.12 | unseensoul | how can I run Java applets? I have the java package installed and I can run them in the browser, but I want to be able to run them in other place... |
| 18:59.24 | keith4 | "the java package"? |
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| 19:01.10 | unseensoul | keith4: fair enough, so what shall I run now? |
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| 19:01.36 | unseensoul | ah ok... I meant, sun-java6-jre |
| 19:02.00 | keith4 | how else are you expecting to run a java applet? |
| 19:02.24 | peleg | I am looking for gnome's art repository; I want to download their logos, icons, etc (it's probably GPL). do you know where can I find it? |
| 19:03.06 | unseensoul | keith4: Don't know, that's why I'm asking... |
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| 19:03.13 | abrotman | art.gnome.org ? |
| 19:03.13 | Haris | Hello people |
| 19:03.24 | debian- | streuner: I dont have internet on that box... |
| 19:03.40 | Haris | Is it possible to get a binary/pre-compiled version of old kernels with support for most hardware and widely used stuff like iptables, pppoe, etc, etc ? |
| 19:03.54 | peleg | abrotman: cool, thanks! |
| 19:03.55 | streuner | debian-: what does happen when you try what abrotman told you? |
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| 19:04.07 | Haris | iptables = nat, mangle, filter at least |
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| 19:04.47 | Terminus | anybody got any ideas regarding my problem? --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/05/msg00615.html |
| 19:05.08 | And1 | stew: Thanks. |
| 19:05.43 | debian- | streuner: It is connected, it is an all in one, cups found it |
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| 19:06.30 | streuner | debian-: read http://groups.google.de/group/linux.debian.user.french/browse_thread/thread/7b98416daa093cb7/59659b75b1245ca4?hl=de&lnk=st&q=hp+psc+1317+debian+sane#59659b75b1245ca4 |
| 19:06.37 | Bushmills | Terminus: have you tried to ifconfig eth0 add ... from a script in /etc/network/if-up.d ? |
| 19:06.45 | streuner | debian-: good luck |
| 19:07.06 | Bushmills | or from an up ... line in interfaces |
| 19:07.11 | Terminus | Bushmills: not yet. was hoping i could just do everything from interfaces since that's what it's for. |
| 19:07.29 | Saar | how would i tell X on debian to open a port to allow remote connections? |
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| 19:07.35 | Bushmills | well, if that's a known problem, one tries to work around it. or fixes it., |
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| 19:08.10 | Bushmills | try to run it from an up line, then it's in interfaces |
| 19:08.31 | Saar | i remember way back X had a port open by default but it looks like it's closed nowadays |
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| 19:09.02 | Terminus | Bushmills: trying it from post-up now. |
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| 19:09.34 | pinto3 | maybe edit `which startx` and remove what server flags are there |
| 19:09.47 | pinto3 | i think it starts with -nolisten tcp |
| 19:10.07 | Saar | right thanks |
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| 19:10.56 | Haris | ? |
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| 19:11.40 | Terminus | Bushmills: guess i should be filing a bug report now... |
| 19:11.54 | Bushmills | did it help? |
| 19:12.04 | Terminus | Bushmills: not yet. i'm still rebooting the machine. |
| 19:12.22 | Bushmills | if not, you might try to go rube goldberg. |
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| 19:13.02 | Bushmills | like, having it executed by at now <<< ... |
| 19:13.28 | Bushmills | or at abitlater <<< .. |
| 19:14.05 | Haris | any help for me? |
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| 19:14.37 | Terminus | taking a while for the box to come up. must be running an fsck on one of the disks |
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| 19:14.45 | geekunit | just installed kde-base. Anyone know how to add a battery monitor? |
| 19:15.18 | Bushmills | geekunit: apt-get, i suppose |
| 19:15.29 | Bushmills | or aptitude :P |
| 19:15.35 | geekunit | bushmills: thanks ;) Any idea what the kde version is called? |
| 19:15.39 | Haris | can we use mirror -R *.frm with lftp? |
| 19:15.53 | Bushmills | educated guess: kbattmon |
| 19:16.16 | geekunit | nope :( |
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| 19:17.12 | Saar | pinto3: startx has no -nolisten entries, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc does but has it commented out, yet i don't see an X port open |
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| 19:19.23 | rascal999_ | how do determine dev path for a usb drive? |
| 19:19.44 | mistiipu | hi al |
| 19:20.02 | mistiipu | iam on a server that shares internet to 2 computers. i want to limit their bandwidth to 20k/s jointly pc1+pc2=20k/s and give them priority to my persoanal internet use on server. secondly i dont want any of the two pcs suck all the bandwidth (by excesive downloading at a time or by torrents) and drain the others pcs band. (out of 20k/s). "i dont want any 3rd distro or another router. i use linux and want it to route". |
| 19:20.02 | mistiipu | i think i need the tc command? where to read about it. and what else i need? thirdly i want to moniter each pc what he is doing. sniff internet. keep detailed records. (if he does any illegal activity eg.) see gui graphic speed graphs. etc. any app or guidance please? |
| 19:20.14 | pinto3 | lsusb might show it |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | again?! |
| 19:20.48 | rascal999_ | na |
| 19:20.57 | rascal999_ | just Microsoft Corp. crap |
| 19:21.26 | wng-_ | I'm trying to set up my Xdefaults for urxvt in lenny the same way I have it in Arch Linux, but it's getting a problem with this line: ' urxvt*cutchars: "'`()*,<>[]{}| ' It gives me the error: <stdin>:27:19: warning: missing terminating " character, where that line is the 27th line and the " is the 19th character - I know this works for arch as I just copied the file over |
| 19:21.58 | wng-_ | I'm not sure if thats just a random warning message xrdb throws out though |
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| 19:24.42 | Haris | mistiipu: lartc.org |
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| 19:25.00 | mistiipu | Haris ok. is that all i need? |
| 19:25.09 | mistiipu | someone said i need qos? |
| 19:25.30 | Haris | mistiipu: you can setup graphing with munin |
| 19:25.43 | Haris | lartc.org has detailed docs which'll tell you |
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| 19:26.06 | Bushmills | rascal999_: look in /etc/usbmount/mouint.d whether tyhere is a "create_model_symlink" script |
| 19:26.18 | Terminus | Bushmills: post-up and pre-down didn't work. =/ |
| 19:26.22 | mistiipu | Haris munin is an ap? |
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| 19:26.41 | Bushmills | (not sure whether that came with preconfig or whether i custimized it by adding) |
| 19:27.00 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.19 | Bushmills | Terminus: hm. not good |
| 19:28.01 | Haris | mistiipu: yep |
| 19:28.23 | Haris | mistiipu: you can use mrtg, rtg, prtg, munin, nagios etc etc, the list is long |
| 19:28.55 | Bushmills | rascal999_: ok, i know. that's not my writing, i only customized that file. in there is a path given, assigned to var SYMLINKS |
| 19:29.07 | rascal999_ | its ok |
| 19:29.08 | rascal999_ | found it |
| 19:29.26 | Terminus | Bushmills: yup. before i proceed further, i think it'd be a good idea to file a bug report first. |
| 19:29.26 | Bushmills | in there are symlinks, pointing to the device, carrying the name of the device |
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| 19:30.57 | rascal999_ | I've got livedebian running |
| 19:31.03 | Bushmills | and that comes with package usbmount |
| 19:31.06 | rascal999_ | its at the cli, how do I install debian to the hard disk? |
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| 19:31.43 | Bushmills | rascal999_: through debootstrap, maybe |
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| 19:32.13 | Bushmills | install minimal system, install kernel, bootloader. |
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| 19:32.33 | rascal999_ | yeah |
| 19:32.36 | rascal999_ | its running of usb atm |
| 19:32.44 | rascal999_ | at cli, so I need to use debootstrap? |
| 19:32.53 | Bushmills | that'd be one option, yes |
| 19:32.56 | mistiipu | Haris . ic. all those are not gui. except munin? |
| 19:33.18 | Haris | everyone of those tools have a gui |
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| 19:33.23 | Haris | web based gui |
| 19:33.28 | rascal999_ | how do I get debootstrap? |
| 19:33.40 | revmoo | can someone give me a correct unstable etch apt source? I've been googling for almost a half hour and each source i find is 404 |
| 19:33.40 | Haris | looks >.> |
| 19:33.48 | Haris | looks <.< |
| 19:33.53 | Bushmills | munin no gui. just generates html and png/guf files |
| 19:34.00 | Haris | anyone on kernels? |
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| 19:34.16 | devicenull | for some reason, when I do make-kpkg modules_image, it spits a bunch of bash code at me |
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| 19:34.27 | devicenull | it *looks* like there are no modules listed so it screws up |
| 19:34.28 | mistiipu | Haris oh thats nice.! which are your favorite. with ease and max info. good gui |
| 19:34.43 | Haris | has+ |
| 19:34.56 | devicenull | http://dev3.ampaste.net/187043 is what I see |
| 19:35.01 | Haris | mistiipu: Can't help you with that. I'm new to it myself |
| 19:35.22 | revmoo | can someone give me a correct unstable etch apt source? I've been googling for almost a half hour and each source i find is 404 |
| 19:35.46 | valdyn | !mirrors |
| 19:35.46 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 19:35.52 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 19:35.52 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:36.16 | revmoo | neither of those are helpful |
| 19:36.19 | Bushmills | what is "unstable etch" ?? |
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| 19:36.37 | valdyn | revmoo: because you cant read? |
| 19:36.40 | mistiipu | Haris ok. thanks alot.. and what about the other bandwidth and routing problem? |
| 19:36.55 | Haris | tc is not an easy cake |
| 19:36.59 | Haris | you'll have to read |
| 19:37.10 | Haris | to me anyway |
| 19:37.29 | bfremon | Hi everyone |
| 19:37.37 | Bushmills | for unstable etch, one needs to go back in time. |
| 19:37.52 | valdyn | unstable etch never existed |
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| 19:38.07 | Bushmills | oh. right. testing at best |
| 19:39.01 | bfremon | I'm trying to install a DGE-528T under stable, and i have no luck with it... |
| 19:39.03 | Bushmills | supposedly, those sites saying "404" have it at the right end. |
| 19:40.03 | bfremon | lspci shows the card, the corresponding module (r8169.ko) is automatically loaded at boot time, attributing eth0 at the card (as dmesg shows), but i'm unable to ifup the card. Any hints ? |
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| 19:41.09 | valdyn | !tell bfremon -about ask |
| 19:41.27 | bfremon | valdyn: ? |
| 19:41.40 | ootput | anyone know of the lightweight display manager alternative to xdm, gdm, kdm (that still has a nice interface?) |
| 19:41.54 | bfremon | valdyn: sorry, i just forgot that irc command begins with a /! |
| 19:42.22 | valdyn | bfremon: try a little harder giving us useful info "cant ifup the card" is <<< "when running 'ifup' i get "..." as error message |
| 19:42.28 | bfremon | I was just wanted to say that /etc/network/interfaces was correctly configured... |
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| 19:43.19 | valdyn | bfremon: what is the error message? |
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| 19:43.47 | bfremon | valdyn: ifup complains about not being able to find eth0 (with ESIOGADDR). |
| 19:44.03 | valdyn | bfremon: and "ifconfig eth0" ? |
| 19:44.25 | bfremon | I'm rebooting the server, i will tell you precisely once my raid5 has finished its scan :-) in a couple minutes |
| 19:44.26 | nick01 | http://people.debian.org/~amaya/wallpapers/logo_debian_gris.jpg anybody knows a wallpaper like that one but at a higher resolution ? |
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| 19:47.44 | bfremon | valdyn: ifup eth0 says SIOCSIFADDR: no such a device, and ifconfig eth0: error during the info search on the interface: card not found. |
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| 19:48.29 | valdyn | bfremon: so you dont have an eth0 |
| 19:48.37 | valdyn | bfremon: check what you find in "ifconfig -a" |
| 19:48.41 | bfremon | valdyn: yes |
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| 19:49.32 | mistiipu | Haris how to run munin ? |
| 19:49.37 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 19:49.37 | dpkg | methinks z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 19:49.38 | bfremon | valdyn: ifconfig -a gives me two cards: eth1 and eth2... 2 days for nothing... |
| 19:49.46 | bfremon | thanks a lot... |
| 19:49.51 | valdyn | bfremon: read what dpkg said |
| 19:50.17 | bfremon | valdyn: ok thanks, i'll do that! |
| 19:51.54 | Haris | mistiipu: #munin |
| 19:51.57 | rascal999_ | is there an easier way than debootstrap? |
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| 19:52.11 | mistiipu | Haris thx |
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| 19:53.36 | and][ng | what's "unimobilectrl" port? |
| 19:54.18 | and][ng | I'm getting connection from internet to my debian box on .unimobilectrl |
| 19:54.21 | evilsporkman | i'm running debian-amd64, and networking in apps using ia32 libs has been broken for a while now. any ideas for fixing it? (they just plain can't touch the network) |
| 19:54.38 | valdyn | evilsporkman: thats not broken |
| 19:54.46 | valdyn | evilsporkman: its just your system |
| 19:54.47 | mistiipu | Haris ya got it. i hope i find a simple gui one day . so i dont have to read and understand each config |
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| 19:55.38 | evilsporkman | valdyn: i know it's not working on my system -- how do I fix my system? |
| 19:55.41 | valdyn | evilsporkman: so, what does not work? |
| 19:55.47 | valdyn | !tell evilsporkman -about ask |
| 19:56.56 | evilsporkman | valdyn: I think you weren't reading carefully. When I use any 32-bit program (e.g., google earth), said 32-bit program cannot access the network. |
| 19:57.08 | valdyn | evilsporkman: yes, i want examples |
| 19:57.22 | valdyn | evilsporkman: thats why dpkg told you what it told you |
| 19:57.29 | valdyn | evilsporkman: any other app? |
| 19:57.46 | valdyn | evilsporkman: ge is a little hard to debug, being binary only proprietary software |
| 19:57.51 | evilsporkman | valdyn: some random statically linked app one of my friends wrote -- http://mobilegrades.com/ |
| 19:58.08 | evilsporkman | let me see if i ever set up a 32-bit chroot on this machine |
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| 19:59.16 | valdyn | evilsporkman: for all i can see right now you could just aswell just not be able to lookup dns names |
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| 19:59.25 | valdyn | evilsporkman: aptitude reinstall ia32-libs |
| 19:59.34 | ma3x | is it a problem if i put .TTF (capitals) files in /home/user/.fonts/ ? |
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| 20:00.59 | ShiftOnYou | hi all |
| 20:01.08 | ShiftOnYou | how do i setup a nat on debian? |
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| 20:01.17 | valdyn | !nat |
| 20:01.17 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 20:01.22 | valdyn | !masq |
| 20:01.22 | dpkg | it has been said that masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 20:01.28 | valdyn | damn |
| 20:01.30 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 20:01.30 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 20:01.37 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: that last one is it |
| 20:01.53 | ShiftOnYou | yeah, i tried it ... but no luck |
| 20:02.06 | ShiftOnYou | i cant reach the i-net with my win :( |
| 20:02.08 | format_c | How to install TT fonts on debian? create /usr/share/fonts/TTF and just copy fonts into this directory? |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: windows cant guess the path, you need to set a gateway on windows |
| 20:02.41 | valdyn | format_c: no |
| 20:02.44 | ShiftOnYou | a gateway? |
| 20:02.53 | valdyn | format_c: ~/.fonts/ or /usr/local/share/fonts/ |
| 20:02.59 | evilsporkman | valdyn: wget http://google.com/ works great in the chroot; after reinstall ia32-libs no change in googleearth's behavior |
| 20:03.06 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: yes, its called gateway on windows too |
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| 20:03.37 | evilsporkman | valdyn: mobilegrades complains explicitly about DNS resolution, so we've narrowed it down to DNS not working when i use ia32-libs |
| 20:03.41 | ShiftOnYou | so, i did, also the dns (ip of my debian pc) but no luck |
| 20:03.42 | format_c | valdyn, just into this directory. No TTF directory |
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| 20:03.51 | valdyn | evilsporkman: no we havent |
| 20:04.06 | ShiftOnYou | is there a way to test it on the debian if nat should work? |
| 20:04.12 | valdyn | format_c: you dont need a ttf directory |
| 20:04.20 | evilsporkman | someone suggested a week or two ago that resolv.conf was hosed. this is a laptop that moves around a lot and nameserver in resolv.conf is 127.0.0.1 but search is hsd1.mi.comcast.net as it should be |
| 20:04.34 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you did set up a nameserver on that box? |
| 20:04.41 | evilsporkman | nameserver being 127.0.0.1 seems fine to me as i'm running dnsmasq |
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| 20:05.09 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: yes... i think, i installed bind :/ |
| 20:05.30 | ShiftOnYou | i also cant ping my router / modem |
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| 20:05.34 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: try network access by ip, not by names |
| 20:05.35 | ShiftOnYou | from the win |
| 20:05.41 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: ok, i see |
| 20:05.42 | ShiftOnYou | i did |
| 20:06.00 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you can ping the gateway ip though? |
| 20:06.03 | ShiftOnYou | like my router is 192.168.1.1 (that works on debian but not on win) |
| 20:06.29 | rascal999_ | mke2fs -j -b 4096 -o dir_index /dev/hda1... what should I replace dir_index with? |
| 20:06.59 | valdyn | rascal999_: why replace it? |
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| 20:07.15 | rascal999_ | mke2fs: unkown os - dir_index |
| 20:07.45 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: yes thats possible |
| 20:07.59 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.04 | valdyn | rascal999: more like you should replace the -o |
| 20:08.09 | ShiftOnYou | if you mean gateway = my debian cp ;) |
| 20:08.20 | valdyn | rascal999: with -O |
| 20:08.29 | evilsporkman | ShiftOnYou: your aggressive abbreviations hurt my brain |
| 20:08.56 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: "dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq" |
| 20:08.59 | rascal999 | valdyn: there we go |
| 20:09.04 | stew | rascal999: is there a reason you aren't just running "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1" ? |
| 20:09.21 | ShiftOnYou | evilsporkman: sry |
| 20:09.21 | valdyn | the more options the more l33t, i guess |
| 20:09.47 | valdyn | big blocks anda dir_index required at a time seems weird |
| 20:10.01 | stew | 4096 is the default |
| 20:10.04 | valdyn | ah |
| 20:10.06 | valdyn | umm |
| 20:10.23 | stew | i thought |
| 20:10.47 | rascal999 | stew: just following some guide |
| 20:10.51 | rascal999 | http://www.linux.com/articles/114165 |
| 20:11.01 | valdyn | stew: mke2fs block-size is heuristically determined by the file system size and the expected usage of the ... |
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| 20:11.59 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: i did reconfigure it, still can ping debian gateway but not my router :( |
| 20:12.20 | maxspacemax | selam |
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| 20:12.34 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: i dont know your router, it could be setup to drop traffic, no idea, ping google |
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| 20:12.46 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: like 72.14.221.104 |
| 20:13.01 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
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| 20:13.32 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: no luck :( |
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| 20:13.58 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: paste output of iptables -t nat --list |
| 20:14.14 | ShiftOnYou | moment please |
| 20:14.19 | valdyn | !paste |
| 20:14.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:14.41 | ShiftOnYou | i know ;) |
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| 20:15.37 | joshteam | how can i empty the contents in a directory? |
| 20:15.51 | ootput | hi guys, my ~/.asoundrc is up at http://pastebin.ca/1011031 I'd get what sounds like static when I set the default device to av710, but normal sound when using nforce. Settings for both are pretty much identical? Any ideas on what's happening? |
| 20:15.52 | cmonk82 | joshteam: rm -rf dir/* |
| 20:16.07 | joshteam | cmonk82: that wont destroy the dir itself? |
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| 20:16.18 | cmonk82 | joshteam: nope |
| 20:16.24 | cmonk82 | rm -rf dir would |
| 20:16.47 | ootput | are you sure? |
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| 20:17.08 | cmonk82 | if you clear the contents of a directory what do you have to worry about? |
| 20:17.10 | petemc | you dont need the f |
| 20:17.15 | cmonk82 | u can simply issue mkdir dir/ |
| 20:17.16 | valdyn | i dont know why -f is brought up here |
| 20:17.18 | NetEcho | wow XP Sp3 breaks windows |
| 20:17.20 | valdyn | its just dangerous habbit |
| 20:17.26 | abrotman | NetEcho: OT here |
| 20:17.49 | NetEcho | I just upgraded now I have an assload of corupted files and I can't access many websites |
| 20:17.55 | simonrvn | "habit". i know, it's a bad habit to spell habit habbit, but even bad habits can be broken ;p |
| 20:18.10 | valdyn | damnit |
| 20:18.17 | NetEcho | it looks like SP3 is forcing me to use IE |
| 20:18.19 | CrazyTB | hey, people, I need help with apt-get |
| 20:18.33 | abrotman | NetEcho: STOP |
| 20:18.49 | CrazyTB | If I do "upgrade", it won't install new packages, even if they are dependencies of new versions of already installed packages |
| 20:18.52 | simonrvn | valdyn: *grin* |
| 20:19.01 | NetEcho | and this is why I use Debian on my other machines |
| 20:19.08 | simonrvn | NetEcho: we don't care, it's OT |
| 20:19.13 | NetEcho | OT? |
| 20:19.16 | evilsporkman | off-topic |
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| 20:19.57 | CrazyTB | So... How can I tell apt-get to install all new packages, as required by new versions of current packages? |
| 20:20.16 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1011035 |
| 20:20.16 | valdyn | CrazyTB: first, read the manpage on the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 20:20.18 | abrotman | dist-upgrade will do all kinds of fun stuff |
| 20:20.26 | valdyn | CrazyTB: then consider using dist-upgrade |
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| 20:21.18 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: did you mess with iptables elsewhere? did you double check that the gateway set in windows is ok? |
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| 20:21.41 | CrazyTB | hum... I will re-read the manpage, then |
| 20:21.43 | CrazyTB | brb |
| 20:21.57 | ShiftOnYou | in windows i set the gateway to 192.168.0.2 and the eth0 ip is the same... that should be right ? |
| 20:22.05 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: traceroute should the the first hop , the gateway, i think, so try "traceroute <ip_of_google>" or somesuch |
| 20:22.18 | webPragmatist | is there some sort of file permission beyond rwxrwxrwx heh? |
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| 20:22.26 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 20:22.26 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: what is the ip of the windows box? |
| 20:22.32 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 20:22.44 | ShiftOnYou | 192.168.0.4 |
| 20:22.44 | evilsporkman | any other takers on "DNS and/or networking doesn't seem to work with ia32-libs-using apps but it works great in my chroot"? |
| 20:23.14 | Freeaqingme | I've got a NIC, of which the number is increased by one, everytime I boot the pc, a couple of times ago it was eth2, now it's eth5 already. How do I stop this? |
| 20:23.15 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: and run "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
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| 20:23.37 | valdyn | !forcedeth mac |
| 20:23.37 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 20:23.42 | valdyn | Freeaqingme: ^^^ |
| 20:24.01 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: returns 1 |
| 20:24.08 | Freeaqingme | great, ty valdyn |
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| 20:25.14 | debian- | How come xsane is only 32mb, and the windows software from HP is 350mb? |
| 20:25.15 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: btw, i dont have traceroute on win ;( |
| 20:25.16 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: thats ok, ips are ok too, i didnt see the output of traceroute yet |
| 20:25.24 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: though its probably "tracert" |
| 20:25.30 | archie_leach | how can I prevent a vg from activating while booting? |
| 20:25.31 | ShiftOnYou | ah ... |
| 20:25.45 | valdyn | archie_leach: why? |
| 20:26.01 | valdyn | archie_leach: /etc/lvm/ has config files |
| 20:26.03 | geekunit | after I install ndiswrapper, how do I install the module? insmod ndiswrapper can't find the file |
| 20:26.06 | archie_leach | I want heartbeat to activate the VG |
| 20:26.23 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: fist and last station is 192.168.0.2 |
| 20:26.33 | evilsporkman | geekunit: modprobe ndiswrapper? |
| 20:26.44 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: windows must have set the wrong gateway |
| 20:26.51 | ShiftOnYou | ok.. |
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| 20:27.09 | greenmanwitch | I am having troubles with Apache: php files keep trying to save to my HDD instead of loading in my web browser. |
| 20:27.15 | archie_leach | valdyn: I know that the config-files are located there, but I don't know how to configure it. |
| 20:27.24 | geekunit | evilsporkman: Module ndiswrapper not found |
| 20:27.25 | ShiftOnYou | but it isnt (default gateway......: 192.168.0.2) |
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| 20:27.56 | valdyn | weird weird |
| 20:28.19 | ShiftOnYou | thats why iam here ^^ |
| 20:28.26 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: i dont see whats wrong |
| 20:28.46 | ShiftOnYou | i try to change the cable... maybe thats the problem :/ |
| 20:28.49 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: ipconfig on windows, route on debian, paste... |
| 20:29.00 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: if you can ping the router then the cable isnt an issue |
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| 20:29.19 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: router =gateway = your debian box |
| 20:30.24 | maxspacemax | Im very like debian Debian Stable :D |
| 20:30.25 | ShiftOnYou | i konw but i checked all other things ^^ |
| 20:31.13 | debian- | I love debian. It just works, windows never works. |
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| 20:32.21 | ma3x | why is iceweasel so slow if i open more than 10 tabs? |
| 20:32.25 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: well i cant paste the output of my win pc, no i-net :/ but i ll figure something out ;) |
| 20:32.25 | ma3x | in windows its pretty fast |
| 20:32.43 | debian- | ma3x: You have iceweasel in windows? |
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| 20:32.50 | stew | ma3x: are you swapping? |
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| 20:32.53 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you could "/etc/init.d/ipmasq restart" if you havent |
| 20:32.58 | evilsporkman | ma3x: is it firefox 3 on windows and iceweasel 2 on debian? |
| 20:32.58 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: samba works also! |
| 20:33.02 | rascal999 | what is the default password for debootstrap install for root? |
| 20:33.03 | ma3x | stew: swapping?? |
| 20:33.10 | ma3x | what's swapping - yoiu mean switching? |
| 20:33.15 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
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| 20:33.29 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: well, thats just the router, that you can ping so.... we knew already |
| 20:33.32 | _ZeuZ_ | GUys, I need to track the connections a software executed through the wine's compatibility layer is commiting to the outside world, any idea how can I do that? |
| 20:33.50 | nick01 | I made a new kernel with just the serial ata/pata intel module, sr0 and sr1 for the burners should have been created in /dev, but that didnt happen, I used this kernel config before in other distros and it worked |
| 20:33.55 | valdyn | _ZeuZ_: man netstat |
| 20:34.07 | nick01 | anybody got an idea why it doesnt ? |
| 20:34.13 | ma3x | stew: let me open all those tabs and i'll tell you |
| 20:34.17 | _ZeuZ_ | Local connections displayd only even with netstat -puta |
| 20:34.23 | stew | nick01: does /dev/cdrw or /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvdrw or anything like that exist? |
| 20:34.45 | Saar | /usr/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 -> where does debian configure the -nolisten tcp? Commenting out -nolisten tcp in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc has no effect |
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| 20:34.56 | nick01 | stew: no |
| 20:34.58 | _ZeuZ_ | valdyn: Local connections displayd only even with netstat -puta seems like it has some kind of propietary trick |
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| 20:35.05 | valdyn | Saar: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 20:35.34 | justin | Saar: why are you wanting your X server to listen on a tcp port? |
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| 20:36.01 | Saar | the why isn't important, I can so I try :) |
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| 20:36.05 | nick01 | stew: I got scsi cdrom support in kernel too... |
| 20:36.08 | mistiipu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.16 | ma3x | stew: it's 0 all the time |
| 20:36.19 | Saar | but /etc/gdm/gdm.conf has no "-nolisten" entry |
| 20:36.35 | _ZeuZ_ | mistiipu, what are you trying to do? messure the ammount of bandwith clients can take? |
| 20:36.43 | ootput | is there a way to list the packages that introduced files into /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 20:36.54 | Tramp | Saar: the entry is called "DissalowTCP", iirc and if you're on lenny it's /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 20:36.57 | mistiipu | _ZeuZ_ yes. limit band of clients |
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| 20:37.11 | _ZeuZ_ | mistiipu, you'll better use tcng for that... |
| 20:37.16 | Tramp | Saar: DisallowTCP that is |
| 20:37.25 | mistiipu | _ZeuZ_ whats tcng |
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| 20:37.34 | _ZeuZ_ | try for example tcng with htb.init and there's a confortable GUI through web interface for servers.. |
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| 20:37.43 | greenmanwitch | how can I see a list of the recently apt-getted things? |
| 20:37.44 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1011052 |
| 20:37.45 | valdyn | ootput: apt-file search etc/init.d |
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| 20:37.54 | _ZeuZ_ | tcng stands for traffic control, new generation... related to this> packages.debian.org/tcng |
| 20:38.12 | evilsporkman | still no iceweasel 3 packages? |
| 20:38.16 | mistiipu | _ZeuZ_ ya. but can squid do it? |
| 20:38.20 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: you have 2 default routes why |
| 20:38.26 | ootput | valdyn: is there a way to limit that to installed packages? |
| 20:38.27 | stew | ootput: "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/*" |
| 20:38.35 | ootput | valdyn: thanks, btw. that's a handy tool |
| 20:38.41 | _ZeuZ_ | yes, with delay pools, though i don't know of it's perfomancce |
| 20:38.42 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: ath0 goes to your internet router /modem ? |
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| 20:38.48 | ShiftOnYou | yes |
| 20:38.56 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: route del default eth0 |
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| 20:39.06 | EstaTiC_FeAR | u suck |
| 20:39.06 | EstaTiC_FeAR | ! |
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| 20:39.14 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: ok, i try |
| 20:39.17 | Saar | Tramp: I am on etch, i'll grep for DisallowTCP |
| 20:39.20 | peleg | I am doing: $ tar -czf test.tar.gz --exclude=*.php --no-recursion * ... but the folder NAMES are still entering the archive (though, without the files in them...) - is there any way to avoid that? (man tar doesn't talk about it, I think...) |
| 20:39.38 | _ZeuZ_ | mistiipu, yes, with delay pools, though i don't know of it's perfomancce |
| 20:39.41 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: then reconfigure ipmasq again, then try net access again |
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| 20:39.47 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 20:39.57 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: or restart ipmasq too if reconfiguring doesnt do that autmagically |
| 20:40.03 | mistiipu | _ZeuZ_ what is delay pools? |
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| 20:40.25 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: ok, now the big moment... |
| 20:40.33 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: IT WORKS! |
| 20:40.38 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: THX |
| 20:40.43 | valdyn | oh the magic |
| 20:40.46 | ShiftOnYou | really great! |
| 20:40.49 | _ZeuZ_ | a characteristic of squid for controlling the ammount of bandwidth (upload and download) that a user on your network, or a host on your network, can take at the time |
| 20:41.05 | ShiftOnYou | did i set the second default or could it be that the system did that? |
| 20:41.06 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: get rid of that default route on eth0 if its in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:41.07 | Saar | grep -r DisallowTCP /etc/ doesn't find much useful |
| 20:41.15 | ShiftOnYou | ah, ok |
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| 20:41.26 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: or if you just added that manually it will be gone too on next reboot |
| 20:41.33 | ootput | stew, valdyn: thanks |
| 20:41.35 | _ZeuZ_ | mistiipu, a characteristic of squid for controlling the ammount of bandwidth (upload and download) that a user on your network, or a host on your network, can take at the time |
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| 20:42.13 | Saar | ok found it, same file as lenny /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 20:42.25 | valdyn | no |
| 20:42.31 | mistiipu | _ZeuZ_ so dely pool is a builtin feature of squid? |
| 20:42.32 | valdyn | you're not supposed to edit that file |
| 20:42.38 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: in the /etc/network/interfaces should be written default 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 20:42.38 | valdyn | Saar: ^^ |
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| 20:42.54 | ShiftOnYou | and that i have to delete? |
| 20:43.00 | ShiftOnYou | if its there... |
| 20:43.11 | _ZeuZ_ | mistiipu, Dunno, I compiled it myself with the flag and apt-build with O3 optimization... but I guess it should... |
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| 20:44.15 | _ZeuZ_ | Either way, I did not have good results,so I took htb-gen to do my job through a simple configuration file and a simple client managment plan that creates the rules for tcng for me and apliesit.. |
| 20:44.17 | mistiipu | _ZeuZ_ and it can do the 'combined' thing? user1+user2=20k/s ? |
| 20:44.22 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: the "gateway <ip>" adds a default route via that gateway |
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| 20:44.33 | ShiftOnYou | ok |
| 20:44.56 | _ZeuZ_ | mistiipu, Yes, you can, you'll have to do it by IP... guess you have a client that's gonna pay just for one PC and will have a movile one... |
| 20:45.05 | ShiftOnYou | valdyn: i deleted it, thank you very much 4 helping me! |
| 20:45.09 | valdyn | ShiftOnYou: default 192.168.1.1 and default 192.168.0.1 is a gateway entry on both interfaces, the one on eth0 is false |
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| 20:45.46 | ShiftOnYou | ok, now i have to test the pings :D |
| 20:46.05 | _ZeuZ_ | ShiftOnYou, if you did not filter ICMP echo, you won't have problems to ping |
| 20:46.24 | mot | can anybody point me to a quick and dirty guide for taking a box and making it a router/firewall with debian? |
| 20:46.26 | ShiftOnYou | sure but the speed of it |
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| 20:46.33 | Tramp | valdyn: why? I thought the whole purpose of moving gdm-config into /usr/share... was, to make the gdm-config editable while still being able to distribute package-changes in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 20:46.35 | ShiftOnYou | if its slower then direct connect... |
| 20:46.38 | mot | i'm basically stuckon the park about actually bringing in traffic through one NIC and forwarding it back out through another |
| 20:46.59 | valdyn | Tramp: youre the gdm package maintainer? |
| 20:47.01 | _ZeuZ_ | mot: use firestarter/guarddog/kmyfirewall/etc etc etc... |
| 20:47.06 | _ZeuZ_ | Or learn how to deal with iptables... |
| 20:47.11 | nick01 | stew: I'm using the ata-piix- I found on google problems with it and dvds but for kernel 2.6.18- this is 2.6.24 |
| 20:47.19 | valdyn | Tramp: only /etc has config that you should edit |
| 20:47.24 | Tramp | valdyn: editing /etc/gdm/gdm.config was a nightmare with every update bringing dozens of changes - no, did I imply that? |
| 20:47.25 | mot | could i setup a box that has say, firestarted on it |
| 20:47.34 | twobitwork | what's the dpkg command for the onliner to update the gpg key? |
| 20:47.39 | twobitwork | one-liner* |
| 20:47.41 | Saar | valdyn: yes i know |
| 20:47.43 | mot | that will take in traffic from one NIC, run it through FS, and push it back out another NIC onward? |
| 20:47.55 | Saar | valdyn: where would I set it then? |
| 20:47.57 | Tramp | valdyn: ah, sorry, you are right. It is exactly the other way round. Sorry. |
| 20:47.58 | valdyn | Tramp: i dont know how to best adjust gdm except by using gdmsetup the gui |
| 20:47.58 | _ZeuZ_ | That's routing |
| 20:48.00 | _ZeuZ_ | and yes. |
| 20:48.09 | valdyn | Tramp: my statement was just general |
| 20:48.10 | Saar | instead |
| 20:48.15 | _ZeuZ_ | Kmyfirewall will be better for you mot |
| 20:48.20 | mot | why so? |
| 20:48.21 | _ZeuZ_ | easier to do it... even NAT is made easy |
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| 20:48.44 | Tramp | valdyn: yes. most stuff was moved to /usr/share, so editing /etc/gdm/gdm.config is not a nightmare anymore - my fault. |
| 20:48.56 | Saar | /etc/gdm/gdm.config i guess |
| 20:49.10 | valdyn | gdm.conf |
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| 20:49.54 | Tramp | Saar: you leave the /usr/share... alone (as valdyn said) but overwrite this parameter in gdm.conf |
| 20:50.21 | Saar | Tramp: yes I figured, thanks |
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| 20:52.55 | mistiipu | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.21 | valdyn | mistiipu: usually |
| 20:53.22 | pipegeek | I feel kind of silly asking this, but why is the ability to specify hosts in /etc/sudoers useful? When will there ever be more than one host at issue? |
| 20:53.46 | mistiipu | valdyn squid ? |
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| 20:54.22 | valdyn | !sentence |
| 20:54.25 | valdyn | oo |
| 20:54.31 | valdyn | mistiipu: no idea what that is supposed to ask |
| 20:55.47 | fengor | ok why did aptitude safe-upgrade fucked up my xorg.conf? |
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| 20:56.02 | valdyn | fengor: it didnt? |
| 20:56.12 | stew | fengor: it moved it to xorg.conf.$timestamp |
| 20:56.41 | fengor | stew i already copied the last known working config back but x stilld oesnt want to function correctly |
| 20:56.48 | _ZeuZ_ | grrr he left and I was on the phone... |
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| 20:56.58 | stew | fengor: does it work with the one generated by the upgrade? |
| 20:57.03 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:57.10 | fengor | dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf gives me an almost empty xorg.conf as well as it skips graphic cards and monitor selection |
| 20:57.23 | valdyn | fengor: and whats wrong with that? |
| 20:57.28 | stew | fengor: yes, those are determined at runtime now, and don't need to be specified in the xorg.conf |
| 20:57.29 | valdyn | fengor: does X no longer work? |
| 20:57.51 | fengor | oh ? didnt know that |
| 20:57.59 | fengor | valdyn it works but not as expected |
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| 20:58.20 | fengor | is stuck with 640x480 instead of his 1600x1200 |
| 20:58.35 | valdyn | fengor: you might have to readd modelines |
| 20:58.48 | fengor | thanks for the tip valdyn |
| 20:58.52 | evilsporkman | can I set KDEWM in .dmrc? I am running kdm and want to change my KDE window manager |
| 20:58.55 | stew | fengor: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:58.58 | valdyn | fengor: your old xorg.conf should still work too i think |
| 20:58.59 | fengor | goes to search the corresponding manpage |
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| 20:59.26 | DexterF | following problem: I generated fglrx debs from the ATi installer, installed them, found I don't like the driver and uninstalled the debs again. now on dist-upgrade dpkg complained that it can't overwrite libGL.so.1.2 since it is already in xorg-driver-fglrx. seems fglrx didn't uninstall cleanly. where can those leftothers be? I noticed the postrm/<deb>.file files are still in /var/lib/dpkg/info. supposed to? |
| 20:59.56 | valdyn | DexterF: seems like you did not uninstall that package |
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| 21:00.39 | DexterF | valdyn: unless aptitude remove <packagename> doesn't remove the package I totally did. |
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| 21:01.01 | valdyn | DexterF: the error message explicitely mentions xorg-driver-fglrx, so its still installed |
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| 21:01.45 | DexterF | valdyn: I guess ATi fscked up the postrm scripts since it didn't undo the dpkg-diverts, had to call postrm manually. again: I *did* remove them and dpkg -l doesn't list them anymore |
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| 21:02.08 | valdyn | DexterF: what is the real error message then? |
| 21:02.26 | joshteam | how easy/difficult is it to set up a ftp server on debian etch>? |
| 21:02.45 | itchi | joshteam: *That* easy :-p |
| 21:02.55 | joshteam | lol? oh yeah. |
| 21:03.03 | itchi | joshteam: Depending of the server you plan to use |
| 21:03.13 | joshteam | itchi: the simplest one :) |
| 21:03.24 | simonrvn | not installing any |
| 21:03.29 | itchi | joshteam: The simplest is not always the best/most secure |
| 21:03.33 | simonrvn | that's easiest of all ;) |
| 21:03.37 | joshteam | i just hate scp long file name x.x.x.x/long_file in shell :( |
| 21:03.47 | itchi | joshteam: Use that tab key? |
| 21:04.05 | joshteam | itchi: shell doesn't see the files on remote system :) |
| 21:04.11 | itchi | joshteam: Sure?? |
| 21:04.12 | valdyn | DexterF: youre telling us that dpkg claims that xorg-driver-fglrx is instealled while its not installed, so dpkg would be lieing -> way more likely thatb you are wrong. |
| 21:04.16 | itchi | joshteam: Well, use zsh then :-p |
| 21:04.19 | \amethyst | joshteam: if you use bash_completion it can |
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| 21:04.31 | Lagbolt | joshteam, you have to type in ip address for ftp server too |
| 21:04.48 | Lagbolt | joshteam, why not use sshfs . . . or hell if you want gui you can ssh://addy with nautilus |
| 21:05.04 | simonrvn | joshteam: *cough* zsh |
| 21:05.07 | joshteam | Lagbolt: but i can save that stuff :) |
| 21:05.09 | DexterF | valdyn: dude. I. Removed. The packages. I can paste you the history lines if you want. |
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| 21:05.30 | valdyn | DexterF: nah, i only asked for the real error message |
| 21:05.37 | joshteam | simonrvn: I haven't ever heard of zsh, looking at the site now |
| 21:05.41 | valdyn | joshteam: there's tab completion for scp too |
| 21:05.46 | simonrvn | apt-cache show zsh |
| 21:05.56 | joshteam | simonrvn ? |
| 21:06.03 | Lagbolt | joshteam, you can ssh mount with fstab, or you can write scripts to login to places that you want |
| 21:06.03 | valdyn | joshteam: or theres sftp which looks like an ftp client |
| 21:06.09 | itchi | joshteam: Try that on your console ^ |
| 21:06.14 | simonrvn | it's packaged already |
| 21:06.27 | simonrvn | i use aliases |
| 21:06.53 | simonrvn | scripts if they're more complex, and/or can be used by others |
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| 21:07.52 | streuner | hm |
| 21:08.17 | fengor | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1011090 |
| 21:09.00 | format_c | valdyn, great works thanks |
| 21:09.23 | DexterF | valdyn: uh.. can't remember from which computer I pasted the error and had to restore a backup, so I can't look here anymore... lemme dig... |
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| 21:11.14 | nick01 | stew: looks like it detects my dvd/cd burners but as disks or something |
| 21:11.15 | nick01 | ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xd400 ctl 0xd000 bmdma 0xc400 irq 16 |
| 21:11.15 | nick01 | ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xcc00 ctl 0xc800 bmdma 0xc408 irq 16 |
| 21:11.17 | nick01 | :( |
| 21:11.38 | valdyn | DexterF: rerunning the failed "aptitude upgrade" or whatever it was is sufficient |
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| 21:12.02 | DexterF | valdyn: I'm looking |
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| 21:12.35 | stew | fengor: # |
| 21:12.39 | stew | (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 using initial mode 1280x768 |
| 21:12.58 | stew | are you sure it is 640x480? ; what resolutions does 'xrandr' list? |
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| 21:14.18 | nick01 | stew: the latest kernel in lenny is 2.6.24 without any patches ? I found my problem reported as fixed in 2.6.24.2, if the source I got is just 2.6.24 it would explain it |
| 21:14.20 | fengor | stew my fault I overreacted cause everything was bigger than expected. sorry it took me on the wrong foot. |
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| 21:14.50 | fengor | xrandxrandr reports it at 1280x768 as well |
| 21:15.01 | fengor | any idea how i can get 1600x1200 back? |
| 21:15.05 | valdyn | nick01: see /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/[changelog |
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| 21:15.16 | valdyn | nick01: see /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/[cC]hangelog* |
| 21:15.36 | valdyn | fengor: you did have modelines in your old xorg.conf |
| 21:15.48 | valdyn | fengor: you do not have modern hardware so modes could be detected |
| 21:15.56 | SyL | is there a better place to put sysctl.conf stuff? I'm having issues while rebooting of stuff not loading in sysctl.conf for somereason |
| 21:16.16 | fengor | sigh guess i shpud finally consider a hardware upgrade |
| 21:16.17 | valdyn | fengor: first was supposed to be a question |
| 21:16.32 | fengor | lemme check the old version of xorg.conf brb |
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| 21:17.08 | DexterF | where can I find freenode logs? |
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| 21:17.39 | nick01 | valdyn: seems based on 2.6.24.3 |
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| 21:17.47 | nick01 | I'll get a vanilla kernel |
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| 21:18.28 | ricosecada | I have some users on a server where they have a www directory in their home directory. I don't want users to be able to look into each others directories, so they are chmod 770, but in order to get apache to read from the www dir, I have made each home directory with user as owner and www-data as group. Is this a bad way to do it? |
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| 21:19.14 | fengor | hmm i have a modes line. *goes to read man xorg.conf* |
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| 21:20.51 | t04no | does anyone know a tool that shows graphically which directories/files eat up your disk-space (like this konqueror view does) ? |
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| 21:21.58 | Scurz | hi |
| 21:22.09 | Scurz | I have a problem with grub |
| 21:23.29 | Scurz | at booting grub says "grub loading stage 1.5 grub loading please wait..." I already reinstalled grub but nothing, still the same problem |
| 21:23.39 | Scurz | any ideas? |
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| 21:27.24 | itchi | t04no: ncdu |
| 21:28.55 | valdyn | ricosecada: yes |
| 21:29.31 | ricosecada | yeah, if the server gets cracked there is access to homes. |
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| 21:32.52 | Saar | I always like "The full documentation for dd is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and dd programs are properly installed..." where info command gives you the exact same man page :D |
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| 21:33.35 | simonrvn | probably in some -doc package... |
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| 21:34.08 | foobar8 | Saar: info coreutils |
| 21:34.13 | DexterF | valdyn: |
| 21:34.13 | DexterF | dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/m/mesa/libgl1-mesa-glx_7.0.3-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 21:34.13 | DexterF | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.14 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 21:34.31 | stew | Saar: info coreutils |
| 21:34.46 | valdyn | DexterF: neat, that still means that xorg-driver-fglrx is still installed |
| 21:34.48 | Saar | well hm? |
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| 21:35.01 | valdyn | DexterF: i dont know why you are making this any more complicated |
| 21:35.28 | Saar | thanks :) |
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| 21:36.35 | DexterF | valdyn: I think I told you about 3 times now that I ran aptitude remove xorg-driver-flgrx, -dev, amdccle and the fourth I can't remember right now and that removing seemed to have not properly finished. what else do you want? |
| 21:36.53 | simonrvn | purge |
| 21:37.09 | simonrvn | remove leaves conffiles (and other stuff) around |
| 21:37.20 | valdyn | DexterF: the issue you are having with removing xorg-driver-fglrx, thats another error message |
| 21:37.58 | DexterF | valdyn: well it didn't throw any errors - I guess it's not hard to follow that I believed it was properly removed |
| 21:38.25 | valdyn | DexterF: no, there certainly was either an error or you didnt try to remove it |
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| 21:38.33 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 21:38.37 | valdyn | DexterF: run "aptitude remove xorg-driver-fglrx" |
| 21:38.57 | d34df00d | I have troubles compiling libtorrent-rasterbar from deb-src ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/btg/debian other unstable |
| 21:39.07 | d34df00d | The error is here: http://rafb.net/p/3AXd1n40.html |
| 21:39.10 | d34df00d | What's wrong? |
| 21:39.59 | fengor | yay i got it. thanks stew and valdyn |
| 21:40.03 | DexterF | valdyn: that's the command I ran - here's the output: http://pastebin.ca/1011118 -- partly german, but no word of "fehler"(=error) or "warnung" |
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| 21:40.31 | jelly-home | d34df00d: does the configure script have executable permissions? |
| 21:40.49 | DexterF | valdyn: but the postrm and list files are still in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 21:40.51 | valdyn | DexterF: now its removed, now you can install the package that failed before |
| 21:40.54 | DexterF | should they? |
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| 21:40.59 | valdyn | DexterF: yes |
| 21:41.05 | valdyn | DexterF: thats ok |
| 21:41.22 | DexterF | well, I'll retry the upgrade again but I bet it will fail again. can't really to that today anymore tho. |
| 21:41.28 | valdyn | DexterF: you can get rid of those with dpkg --purge xorg-driver-fglrx, but you dont need to |
| 21:41.42 | d34df00d | jelly: eh, now. |
| 21:41.55 | d34df00d | Seems like I should make it executable myself. |
| 21:41.58 | DexterF | how would I download all debs req'ed for dist-upgrade first? I could use the time to download them but need the system operational for now |
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| 21:42.19 | valdyn | DexterF: why dont you still have them from the last try? |
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| 21:42.52 | valdyn | DexterF: and above source was your cdrom drive |
| 21:43.42 | d34df00d | jelly: thanks! Compiling goes fine now. |
| 21:44.10 | DexterF | valdyn: cd turned out outdated, pulled internet debs anyway. had to revert to backup of the system, power cut, long story |
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| 21:44.32 | DexterF | well, whatever, I'll reload them |
| 21:44.36 | valdyn | -d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives |
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| 21:46.15 | itchi | What does that means "... kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode" in the messages log? |
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| 21:46.44 | streuner | hm, usually its used by a scanner... |
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| 21:47.04 | itchi | streuner: snort for example? |
| 21:47.14 | streuner | could be, yes |
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| 21:50.23 | itchi | streuner: The thing is that it is enabled on my nic for internal traffic and not to the world on my gateway |
| 21:50.40 | itchi | streuner: How can i check what have enabled this? |
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| 21:51.56 | streuner | How about to turn off $scanner and reboot... |
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| 21:52.26 | itchi | streuner: I only reboot when i got a power failure or a heavy problem :-p |
| 21:52.37 | itchi | streuner: But you are right |
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| 21:52.58 | streuner | hm, you shouldn't care much then, but wait, if someone hacked you it could be too ;-) |
| 21:53.14 | itchi | streuner: I'm still waiting to get be hacked :-p |
| 21:53.35 | hatter | when i check who is logged on with 'w' or 'who' what does ':1.0' mean in the FROM column |
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| 21:55.57 | dondelelcaro | hatter: that's the display that you're on. |
| 21:56.18 | hatter | dondelelcaro, which means a local user ? |
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| 21:57.10 | d34df00d | Compiled source package fails to install because only i386 is mentioned in architectures in dsc file. |
| 21:57.17 | d34df00d | How could I force it to install on amd64? |
| 21:57.20 | itchi | bah, i gona simulate a heavy problem :-p brb rebooting |
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| 21:57.59 | hatter | dondelelcaro, i see. i ran vnc as that user |
| 21:58.18 | hatter | dondelelcaro, thx |
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| 21:59.58 | itchi | streuner: Well, it's not snort |
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| 22:12.19 | kgod | So, if I'm now amd64 arch, am I SOL for running win32codecs, or is there a workaround? |
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| 22:17.33 | zomgoblinz | everytime I go to install a package i get Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 2.6.24-6 (using .../linux-image-2.6.24-1-686_2.6.24-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:17.41 | zomgoblinz | which in turn reboots the box |
| 22:17.44 | zomgoblinz | and I have no idea why |
| 22:17.59 | zomgoblinz | although, last night I accidentally removed that package |
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| 22:26.09 | ootput | kgod: debian-multimedia.org for more featureful builds of mplayer |
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| 22:32.19 | Teltariat | Quick question; I'm using Getopt::Long. I want to have a command line that looks like "./command <arguments> Arg1 Arg2 <arguments>" I'd like to have Getopt grab the first <arguments> bundle, and ignore arg1, arg2 and the second <arguments> bundle. |
| 22:32.41 | Teltariat | How can I do this? Or should abandon Getopt and use another module for argument processing? |
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| 22:34.17 | [Gandhi] | hi all |
| 22:34.57 | [Gandhi] | something can install debian in ibm blade servers |
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| 22:36.09 | atomiku | Hey hey :) How do I get a list of applications I have installed with apt-get? |
| 22:36.21 | goodshit | apt-get list |
| 22:36.23 | atomiku | I'm trying to do a quick cleanup after a rouge install of some big metapackage |
| 22:36.30 | atomiku | goodshit: Thanks man, also: Loving your nick |
| 22:36.49 | Teltariat | Yea, thats some good shit. |
| 22:37.21 | atomiku | shame that apt-get list command doesnt work |
| 22:37.26 | atomiku | lol |
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| 22:38.26 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 22:38.44 | acehigh | any recommendation on installing flash on debian? |
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| 22:40.30 | iced_tea | anyone here run xp or vista ontop of linux with qemu? does it mess with the activation process? |
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| 22:40.50 | iced_tea | I assume it would but I'm curious to the reaction |
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| 22:45.10 | extor | I had my server formatted to go from 64 bit debian etch to 32 bit debian etch, now I notice at peak times my system load shoots up to about 20 easily before it dies down. Is this likely something other than going down to 32 from 64? I just can't understand it. |
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| 22:47.42 | patarok | hello i need somebody who can tell me in which directory i will find the X11 Cursor sets... |
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| 22:49.10 | patarok | @mirezwer can you tell me where i find Debians X11 Cursors? |
| 22:49.20 | patarok | which directory? |
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| 22:50.26 | dondelelcaro | patarok: dpkg -L is your friend. |
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| 22:52.57 | vvd | anyone happen to know a tool to take shot from frame x (video)? |
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| 22:54.08 | NickPresta | vvd, `import`? |
| 22:54.56 | vvd | thats for screen capture |
| 22:55.06 | vvd | i mean frame x of video y |
| 22:55.16 | patarok | HELLO! SORRY FOR SHOUTIN please tell WHERE I CAN FIND Debians X11 CURSOR DIRECTORY! |
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| 22:57.17 | itchi | i'm not sure if the message has been pass |
| 22:57.22 | itchi | streuner: ntop was the cause of the Promiscuous mode |
| 22:57.29 | patarok | THX |
| 22:57.36 | kgod | ootput: I've got debian-multimedia selected. w32codecs doesn't exist in the amd64 arch |
| 22:58.30 | kgod | atomiku: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 22:58.47 | atomiku | kgod: Ahh thanks. :D |
| 22:58.52 | atomiku | Just managed to find that one out |
| 22:59.03 | atomiku | KDE hsa installed loads of crap that hasnt been removed when I removed the kda metapackage |
| 22:59.15 | atomiku | I'm trying to clean it all up :( Anyway to remove wildcard *kde* apps? |
| 22:59.40 | kgod | atomiku: metapackages don't delete deps, IIUC |
| 22:59.48 | atomiku | argh :( |
| 23:00.08 | kgod | atomiku: deleting kde-core may work, one sec |
| 23:00.12 | itchi | atomiku: Do you use apt-get or aptitude to install stuff? |
| 23:00.17 | DexterF | when running "aptitude -d dist-upgrade" aptitude still asks for solutions on what to remove and so on - that ok? it will stop after downlaoding anyway? |
| 23:00.18 | ootput | kgod: i never said there was w32codecs |
| 23:00.22 | atomiku | itchi: apt-get |
| 23:00.30 | kgod | !rtemove kde |
| 23:00.40 | kgod | !remove kde |
| 23:00.40 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 23:00.43 | vinc456 | hello, i received a strange e-mail from my server? and am unsure of how to proceed. It went something like this |
| 23:00.46 | vinc456 | Subject: *** SECURITY information for debian *** |
| 23:00.55 | itchi | atomiku: Well, you should better make use of aptitude anyway |
| 23:00.55 | vinc456 | debian : May 7 15:26:40 : vinc : user NOT in sudoers ; TTY=unknown ; PWD=/home/vincent ; USER=root ; |
| 23:00.55 | vinc456 | +COMMAND=/usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper |
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| 23:01.18 | atomiku | Cool, i'm doing aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a now :D |
| 23:01.22 | atomiku | 422MB will be freed :D |
| 23:01.29 | ootput | vinc456: periodic report (monthly). that particular message means that a user attempted to sudo, but he/she isn't allowed to in /etc/sudoers |
| 23:01.33 | itchi | atomiku: Check that it won't remove to much heh |
| 23:01.42 | atomiku | XD |
| 23:01.52 | atomiku | Why do guis need to install all those extra applications anyway? I'd be happy with just the essential utils that kde needs, like the cpanel |
| 23:01.59 | atomiku | I hate bulk. |
| 23:02.08 | atomiku | gnome is guilty of that as well |
| 23:02.09 | itchi | atomiku: Especially the first time you use aptitude, like it don't know all the stuff you have installed with apt-get, so all the stuff installed with apt-get will be removed with aptitude. |
| 23:02.09 | ootput | that's _the_ problem with kde/gnome |
| 23:02.21 | vinc456 | ootput: ok, i figured out that much and will add vinc to the sudoers |
| 23:02.22 | vinc456 | thanks |
| 23:02.38 | ootput | vinc456: you must use visudo to edit sudoers |
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| 23:02.49 | vinc456 | another thing i don't quite understand is that the e-mail appears to come from root@ucalgary.ca, which is not my e-mail address |
| 23:02.49 | itchi | still runs fluxbox on my heavy box :-p |
| 23:03.13 | fluor- | hi there - I'm upgrading a box that has an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU to lenny, |
| 23:03.15 | ootput | vinc456: ucalgary.ca is not your domainname? |
| 23:03.22 | atomiku | Hmm, so how do I do a nice cleanup? the debs are still there or soemthing, in the selectionlist or whatever it's called |
| 23:03.23 | fluor- | and it seems there's no longer any -k7 kernel packages |
| 23:03.25 | ootput | vinc456: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:03.42 | vinc456 | i'm a student at the u of c and i do have a webmail account, it is not my domain name |
| 23:03.48 | fluor- | linux-image-2.6-k7 has a dependency for -686 |
| 23:03.52 | fluor- | but when I install the resulting kernel, |
| 23:03.55 | kgod | ootput: Didn't say you did. However that was *my* original question. |
| 23:04.01 | fluor- | it kernel panics on boo |
| 23:04.01 | fluor- | +t |
| 23:04.09 | fluor- | I had to fallback to -486 |
| 23:04.12 | fluor- | is there an alternative? |
| 23:04.17 | ootput | vinc456: think about it. you obtained a dhcp lease, correct? the domainname was most likely transmitted through that |
| 23:04.18 | kgod | ootput: I'm trying to sort out 64-bit desktop userland, multimedia is one of the minefields. |
| 23:04.24 | ootput | vinc456: obviously it's not your email address |
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| 23:04.59 | vinc456 | ootput: "nameserver 192.168.0.1" |
| 23:05.04 | itchi | fluor-: Did you check the bug reports on that kernel version? |
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| 23:05.31 | ootput | kgod: which particular codec were you after? |
| 23:05.39 | ootput | kgod: check the faq on that site |
| 23:06.00 | atomiku | ooops |
| 23:06.01 | atomiku | Well I fucked up :D |
| 23:06.08 | vinc456 | ootput: ok, i must be misunderstanding something and will research/investigate some more |
| 23:06.09 | atomiku | Very badly |
| 23:06.11 | fluor- | itchi: yes, but couldn't find anything related to my problem |
| 23:06.11 | vinc456 | ootput: thanks for your help |
| 23:06.15 | atomiku | Lol goodbye debian installation, it was nice knowing you |
| 23:06.18 | fluor- | itchi: which I think is architecture related |
| 23:06.39 | kgod | ootput: OK. Haven't tried mplayer or xine yet. Flash is going to be another question.' |
| 23:06.45 | itchi | fluor-: Well, you should maybe report it |
| 23:06.58 | acehigh | any recommendation on installing flash on debian? |
| 23:07.05 | ootput | kgod: for me, flash was okay. there were instructions on the web for 64bit + lenny |
| 23:07.08 | acehigh | i.e. to play youtube vids |
| 23:07.11 | fluor- | itchi: I'd like to be sure -k7 has been destroyed in favour of -686 before doing so |
| 23:07.22 | fluor- | 'cause it looks pretty weird to me |
| 23:07.33 | atomiku | lol well i just rm -rf'd it all |
| 23:07.35 | kgod | ootput: OK. I'll sort the rest out later. |
| 23:07.43 | fluor- | apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 stills reports optimization for intel Pentiums, _not_ any AMD CPU |
| 23:07.50 | itchi | fluor-: Yes it is, that's what apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-k7 is saying |
| 23:08.00 | ootput | kgod: fwiw, vlc is a good alternative to mplayer |
| 23:08.10 | ootput | bit-wise |
| 23:08.34 | atomiku | Screw it, Looks like I'm using XFCE |
| 23:08.43 | acehigh | What do yall feel is the best supported video card to play 3d in linux? Including model |
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| 23:09.13 | _ZeuZ_ | nVidia Quadro for Editing, and GeForce 8600 for gaming... |
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| 23:09.57 | kgod | ootput: OK. |
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| 23:10.10 | vinc456 | ootput: sorry, one more thing. Where can I learn more about "monthly reports"? the thing i'm really confused about is why my system is e-mailing me because i did not set it up to do so |
| 23:10.20 | kgod | acehigh: I prefer the Intel stuff which is open spec, myself. |
| 23:10.21 | vinc456 | it seems very much like magic |
| 23:10.33 | kgod | vinc456: /etc/cron.monthly/ |
| 23:11.01 | kgod | vinc456: See also: /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.d/, /etc/cron.daily/, /etc/cron.hourly/, /etc/cron.weekly/ |
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| 23:11.14 | acehigh | basically i have 200 to spend and I can get a 9600gt but wanted to make sure its fully supported |
| 23:11.22 | DocMAX78 | hello |
| 23:11.23 | acehigh | if not what is the best |
| 23:11.50 | kgod | acehigh: Your best bet is to search mailing list archives for gripes about specific models. |
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| 23:12.03 | ootput | acehigh: i doubt you'll be able to use the full potential of that card in a linux environment |
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| 23:12.47 | itchi | fluor-: Take a look in the config file of that kernel |
| 23:13.29 | vinc456 | kgod: thanks |
| 23:13.35 | itchi | fluor-: /boot/2.6-686 or somethings like that |
| 23:14.00 | itchi | fluor-: nah /boot/config-2.6-686 morelikely |
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| 23:14.55 | DawnLigh1 | hello. knetworkmanager problem. i installed it, commented out the interfaces apart from lo in /etc/network/interfaces and added my user to the netdev group. my ath0 interface works when i set it manually. when i tell knetworkmanager to set it up, even without encryption, it doesn't get past 28% in the progress bar |
| 23:15.32 | kgod | Speaking of graphics, what's a good performance test? |
| 23:15.40 | kgod | is going through Xscreensaver hacks. |
| 23:15.42 | zomgoblinz | I have a package that is installed but apt is saying it's not fully installed when it is |
| 23:15.53 | zomgoblinz | how do I get apt to stop trying to install it? |
| 23:16.02 | zomgoblinz | apt-get -f install doesn't fix it |
| 23:16.09 | zomgoblinz | dpkg --configure -a doesn't either |
| 23:16.09 | dpkg | zomgoblinz: i don't know |
| 23:16.36 | atomiku | Okay well anyways |
| 23:16.42 | zomgoblinz | hmm, well it's linux-image and it's causing a massive headache |
| 23:16.45 | atomiku | Any repos that have KDE4? :o |
| 23:16.56 | zomgoblinz | it's obviously there and I am booted onto that kernel |
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| 23:19.59 | itchi | !kde4 |
| 23:19.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
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| 23:24.49 | Rockj | In debian after I install java, where can I change java.security stuff? |
| 23:24.58 | Rockj | I need my applet to be allowed to connect to localhost |
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| 23:30.01 | stew | Rockj: /usr/lib/jvm/*/jre/lib |
| 23:31.26 | stew | Rockj: oh, actually, "dpkg -S java.security" |
| 23:33.02 | Rockj | Thanks, then I only need to figure out how to allow socket connections to ssh port from java :) |
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| 23:35.52 | flami | Hi , I have some problems with the fglrx driver. whenever I use it XV is horribly unstable, Im using lenny and tried the "newest" driver from ati and the one packaged . |
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| 23:36.53 | flami | If I use the ati driver it works nicely , unfortunately no DRI . If I use XSHM in kaffeine its stable too but the image is blocky and tearing :/ |
| 23:37.15 | flami | anyone might have an idea what could make fglrx not fudge me up? |
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| 23:38.32 | Fire | Hey people. |
| 23:39.08 | Fire | Why, when connecting to a debian machine (ssh) , when I use backspace, it says "Wuff -- Wuff!"? |
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| 23:39.19 | Teltariat | Quick question |
| 23:39.47 | Teltariat | CONSTANT1 is a constant. When strict is enabled, how comeI can't assign the value of it to some arbitrary var? Like my $foo = CONSTANT1; ? |
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| 23:41.15 | itchi | Teltariat: You will be better to ask that on #LovelyLanguage |
| 23:41.35 | simonrvn | #perl |
| 23:41.38 | Teltariat | Oh crap |
| 23:41.41 | Teltariat | Sorry, wrong channel |
| 23:41.44 | simonrvn | --> that way |
| 23:41.44 | Teltariat | I didn't see that |
| 23:41.45 | Teltariat | sorry |
| 23:41.49 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 23:41.53 | simonrvn | np |
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| 23:42.19 | hikenboot | greetings all what directory in debian should texinfo be installed in apparently it has to be specified during the make install |
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| 23:43.36 | dvs | about time |
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| 23:44.57 | Nyle | hola |
| 23:45.17 | dvs | see ya |
| 23:45.32 | Nyle | hikenboot, how come you don't use the package? is there no package? do you have to build it? |
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| 23:46.23 | hikenboot | I am doing a cross linux from scratch build and am afraid of doing apt-get upgrade texinfo cause it installs a lot of stuff that I am afraid will break my building process |
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| 23:47.12 | hikenboot | there's a bug in texinfo that falsely reports that it isnt installed |
| 23:47.23 | FordCortina | is there a guide on how to "clone" virtual machines using unionfs? (yes im looking on google it hasnt been very helpful) |
| 23:48.01 | Fire | Where do I change my shell prefs? |
| 23:48.05 | jaggz- | how can I change the ftp-connection timeout in nautilus? if I accidentally select a bookmark which isn't on my current lan (when I'm on the laptop) it locks up nautilus for a long time |
| 23:48.32 | jaggz- | I really don't need it to try more than 5 or 10 seconds before I accept an FTP connection fails in this case. |
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| 23:49.25 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I have a problem while trying to access a webmin in a remote server, mind you if I show you the rules I currently have? |
| 23:49.34 | Nyle | hikenboot, I don't have a clue about that |
| 23:49.49 | hikenboot | ok I guess I do an upgrade and see what happens |
| 23:49.52 | Nyle | hikenboot, you are building a LFS from inside debian? |
| 23:49.57 | hikenboot | yes |
| 23:50.21 | nvrpunk | woops, thought I was rebooting our asterisk box but my boss rewired the KVM and I rebooted our main hotspot so about 1000 devices just went down/up |
| 23:50.24 | Nyle | and then you will chroot/install booter and go from there to convert to it? |
| 23:50.39 | Nyle | hikenboot, how come you don't like debian? |
| 23:50.52 | hikenboot | I am building my own embedded distro |
| 23:50.56 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:51.06 | hikenboot | based on uClibc |
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| 23:51.17 | Nyle | what does google say about the typical locations that its installed to? |
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| 23:51.43 | Nyle | http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_scratch/chapter05/texinfo.html |
| 23:51.47 | hikenboot | not sure how to look for that with all the slashes and all which google doesnt index |
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| 23:51.54 | hikenboot | oh thanks |
| 23:52.10 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?aq=-1&oq=&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=hoY&q=where+to+install+texinfo&btnG=Search |
| 23:52.16 | Nyle | argh |
| 23:52.23 | Nyle | damn browser specific shit |
| 23:52.38 | Nyle | "where to install texinfo" |
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| 23:54.26 | jaggz- | does synaptic handle dependencies as well as aptitude? |
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| 23:54.37 | jaggz- | if not weller. |
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| 23:56.58 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: it uses the same underlying libraries |
| 23:57.13 | dondelelcaro | aptitude may be better than some earlier versions of synpatic, though. |
| 23:57.36 | jaggz- | but different libraries than apt-get? |
| 23:57.46 | nvrpunk | how do i remove a package from apt that says I need to reinstall it |
| 23:57.49 | jaggz- | because they told me, here I believe, to use aptitude over apt-get |
| 23:57.49 | nvrpunk | but when I do |
| 23:57.52 | nvrpunk | it reboots the box |
| 23:57.57 | nvrpunk | and never installs it fully |
| 23:58.05 | nvrpunk | so I am in an endless loop of failure |
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