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| 00:06.11 | nvrpunk | here is a pastebin of exactly what is happening: http://pastebin.com/m61a5adda |
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| 00:14.18 | hedos | Hello. I can ssh into my machine no prob from another computer in the local network. However, this fails from the internet. I'm pretty sure my router is configured correctly to forward port 22 to the correct machine. |
| 00:14.41 | hedos | Is there some special settings I must configure in ssh_config to allow connection from outside the local network? Or something like that? |
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| 00:15.00 | rascal999 | does a flash drive have to be fat16 to be bootable? |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | no |
| 00:15.14 | jaggz- | hedos: /etc/hosts.allow needs sshd line |
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| 00:15.27 | abrotman | hedos: shuld be fine by default |
| 00:15.38 | itchi | hedos: Does your ISP block ports lower as 1024? |
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| 00:15.52 | rascal999 | ok, I'm having real problems getting debian to boot from usb. Tablet does boot from usb, but atm its giving me a missing operating system error. |
| 00:15.54 | hedos | itchi, nope, I could ssh just fine before installing debian (on slackware). |
| 00:16.04 | jaggz- | are you sure you're typing latin 22 and not some foreign characters? |
| 00:16.07 | hedos | jaggz: I just put "sshd", that's all? |
| 00:16.08 | rascal999 | I've copied a boot.img and netinst of debian to it, but that doesn't work |
| 00:16.11 | Livingroom | guys, quick question: how do i show package names of installed packages with apt-get? so i can apt-get uninstall foo-bar |
| 00:16.19 | jaggz- | look at it |
| 00:16.27 | Maliuta | hedos: have you tried debugging the ssh session to see where the failure is? |
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| 00:16.41 | jaggz- | lol |
| 00:16.51 | Maliuta | hedos: it's a good idea to try _some_ troubleshooting before asking stupid questions |
| 00:16.56 | jaggz- | view your logs too |
| 00:17.14 | jaggz- | oh.. I thought you meant.. like.. gdb debugging |
| 00:17.21 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: did you follow the howto precisely? |
| 00:17.27 | rascal999 | well |
| 00:17.30 | hedos | Thanks. |
| 00:17.35 | rascal999 | I didn't unmount the usb |
| 00:17.38 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: if you're getting an OS not found, that generally means that you didn't copy the boot.img across properly |
| 00:17.43 | Maliuta | jaggz-: read the ssh man pages re the -v options |
| 00:17.48 | rascal999 | oh |
| 00:17.50 | jaggz- | no |
| 00:17.54 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: first just do that, and make sure it boots. |
| 00:17.59 | dondelelcaro | (totally ignore the iso for now) |
| 00:18.00 | rascal999 | zcat boot.img > /dev/ssd |
| 00:18.05 | rascal999 | is how it should go apparantly |
| 00:18.30 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: assuming the device is /dev/ssd (which would be a bit odd) |
| 00:18.32 | rascal999 | but how can this work if the guide tells me to first unmount |
| 00:18.40 | rascal999 | its sdd1 |
| 00:19.01 | rascal999 | ok, starting from scratch |
| 00:19.03 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: then you want to write to /dev/sdd1, and it tells you to unmount, because it's going to completely replace that filesystem. |
| 00:19.07 | rascal999 | I'm gonna format to fat16 |
| 00:19.10 | Livingroom | loves this channel so much |
| 00:19.16 | rascal999 | oh |
| 00:19.30 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: no formatting necessary. |
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| 00:19.57 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: your usb device is at least 512M, right? |
| 00:19.58 | rascal999 | ok its umounted |
| 00:20.08 | rascal999 | yes |
| 00:20.12 | rascal999 | 512 |
| 00:20.24 | rascal999 | right |
| 00:20.29 | dondelelcaro | rascal999: ok, then write the image to it, and follow the instructions in the installation guide exactly. |
| 00:20.53 | rascal999 | so now i've unmounted, I need to catz boot.img.gz > /dev/sdd1 |
| 00:20.58 | rascal999 | this is where I come to problems |
| 00:21.47 | rascal999 | bash: /dev/sdd1: Permission denied |
| 00:21.56 | rascal999 | this is using sudo |
| 00:22.56 | rascal999 | so when that doesn't work, I just copied to /media/disk-1 |
| 00:23.02 | rascal999 | guess that isn't how it's done |
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| 00:25.30 | hedos | It seems that somebody is constantly attempting to ssh into my machine using a dictionary of username/passwords. What should I do? Also the IP address of the attacker seems to change exactly once a day. |
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| 00:26.32 | \amethyst | hedos: how good is your root password? |
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| 00:26.55 | hollywoodb | hedos: denyhosts is easy enough to set up |
| 00:26.55 | scorche|sh | hedos: are you familiar with iptables? |
| 00:26.57 | cyph3r | what is the command to find something running on a certain port |
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| 00:26.59 | hedos | \amethyst, over 10 letters including symbols |
| 00:27.01 | \amethyst | hedos: you can use fail2ban to block them (or their entire network) after a number of failures |
| 00:27.09 | hedos | scorche|sh, no |
| 00:27.09 | cyph3r | getting errors saying cant bind to port |
| 00:27.16 | scorche|sh | hedos: then have a look at fail2ban |
| 00:27.27 | \amethyst | hedos: then you probably don't need to altogether disable root ssh login |
| 00:27.29 | rascal999 | hedos: put a strong password on it, and sit back and laugh |
| 00:27.41 | \amethyst | I allow root login, but not with a password |
| 00:27.55 | \amethyst | they can damn well crack DSA if they want into my machine |
| 00:28.02 | geekunit | what KDE utility can I use to dim my screen when power's unplugged from the laptop? |
| 00:28.14 | hedos | Ok, thanks a lot. |
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| 00:29.23 | rascal999 | I'm having problems wth sudo zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdd1 ... anyone? |
| 00:29.40 | rascal999 | Permission Denied is the error on /dev/sdd1 |
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| 00:30.31 | felipe__ | hi |
| 00:30.37 | Ryan52 | rascal999: You have to do sudo su - -c "zcat boot.img > /dev/sdd1" |
| 00:30.38 | felipe__ | I need a hand with bind |
| 00:31.07 | felipe__ | how do I set an address for calling an specific page? |
| 00:31.24 | Ryan52 | felipe__: specific page? |
| 00:32.10 | Ryan52 | felipe__: are you talking about a web site where you want everything to go to server A execpt /asdf to go to server B? |
| 00:32.11 | felipe__ | like 192.168.... /home/something.html |
| 00:32.13 | rascal999 | Ryan52: su: User account expired ...!? |
| 00:32.37 | Ryan52 | felipe__: You dont understand how dns works |
| 00:32.50 | Ryan52 | felipe__: dns only handles the name |
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| 00:33.07 | felipe__ | mm.... |
| 00:33.10 | Ryan52 | felipe__: so everything between "http://" and the first / is handled with dns |
| 00:33.31 | Ryan52 | felipe__: Once it gets the ip address to for that, it asks that server for /home/something.html |
| 00:33.44 | Ryan52 | felipe__: with apache you can set up redirects though |
| 00:34.29 | \amethyst | actually it asks the server for http://the.whole.thing/home/something.html |
| 00:34.46 | elif | Hi, Is there a visual keyboard that can highlight the key I'm pressing even if its windows was not on focus (so I can show with a screen recorder how I'm controling another program...) thks |
| 00:34.47 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: not if its http 0.9 :P |
| 00:34.48 | \amethyst | that's important because it allows you to use virtual hosts even if you only have one IP |
| 00:34.51 | \amethyst | true |
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| 00:35.57 | Ryan52 | felipe__: this should work: make a .htaccess inside of /home and put in "RedirectMatch ^/home/something.html$ http://other.server.com/some_file" |
| 00:36.00 | Livingroom | this is going to sound stupid, but ... what is rsync? |
| 00:36.15 | Ryan52 | Livingroom: its a method of transfering files |
| 00:36.24 | Ryan52 | Livingroom: err, a program for transfering files |
| 00:36.29 | agnus | Anyone prepared to guide a java noob through compiling nasa worldwind? |
| 00:36.45 | Ryan52 | Livingroom: and you usually use it over ssh to transfer between 2 servers |
| 00:36.46 | Livingroom | copying files like, across a network, or inter-system? |
| 00:36.49 | Livingroom | oh i see |
| 00:36.51 | Livingroom | ok, ty |
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| 00:37.08 | \amethyst | Livingroom: both |
| 00:37.12 | Ryan52 | Livingroom: you can use it to copy from one directory to another |
| 00:37.24 | \amethyst | Livingroom: it tries to minimize bandwidth by only copying the changed parts of files |
| 00:37.33 | Livingroom | o i c |
| 00:37.35 | Livingroom | cool |
| 00:38.01 | Livingroom | playing around with my new linux box and it's been like 8 years since i used debian, and even then i was a nub |
| 00:38.13 | Ryan52 | Livingroom: and you do stuff like exclude certain files |
| 00:38.27 | \amethyst | Livingroom: usually rsync with a remote machine uses ssh, but it can also be run as a server |
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| 00:39.25 | \amethyst | you can do things like take a reference tree on destination, and if a file is unchanged from the reference version, hav rsync just create a hardlink |
| 00:39.41 | \amethyst | for incremental backups kind of like Time Machine |
| 00:40.25 | \amethyst | rsnapshot, faubackup, and dirvish are three (of many) programs that do this |
| 00:40.32 | \amethyst | s/programs/backup programs/ |
| 00:40.37 | nevyn | backuppc isn't bad imo |
| 00:41.35 | \amethyst | though AIUI Apple added support for hardlinks to directories to make Time Machine even better |
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| 00:42.30 | \amethyst | (bind mounts are similar but not quite as good for this purpose, since they're not persistent and there is IIRC a limit to the number of mount points you can have) |
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| 00:50.06 | sonnie | after upgrading perl-base from 5.8.8 to 5.10.0, libdbd-sqlite3-perl is unavailable: libdbd-sqlite3-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.8.8 but it is not installable |
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| 00:52.28 | daniel0 | hey all |
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| 00:59.20 | Livingroom | how do i kick a user that is currently logged on? |
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| 00:59.56 | sonnie | kill the pid of his login shell |
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| 01:00.22 | Livingroom | i did, still shows up in 'who' |
| 01:00.31 | \amethyst | Livingroom: did you kill -9 ? |
| 01:00.35 | Livingroom | ahh, no |
| 01:00.37 | Livingroom | i kill -KILL |
| 01:00.39 | \amethyst | Livingroom: good |
| 01:00.43 | \amethyst | Livingroom: you shouldn't |
| 01:00.46 | Livingroom | o, ok |
| 01:00.51 | Xenguy | Livingroom: install 'slay' -- using it is fun ;-) |
| 01:01.16 | Livingroom | i dont think slay is combiled for TI-OMAP250 :( |
| 01:01.24 | Xenguy | pity |
| 01:01.38 | Livingroom | compiled rather |
| 01:01.53 | Livingroom | i could compile it myself i guess |
| 01:02.01 | Xenguy | Livingroom: you can't apt-get ? |
| 01:02.19 | Livingroom | i can |
| 01:02.29 | Livingroom | E: Couldn't find package slay |
| 01:02.42 | Xenguy | !info slay |
| 01:02.50 | sonnie | !info slay |
| 01:02.59 | Livingroom | hmm, infobot is broke? |
| 01:03.10 | Xenguy | dpkg is apparently 'updating' <shrug> |
| 01:03.10 | dpkg | Xenguy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 01:03.17 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.2+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 01:03.24 | Xenguy | oh be quiet dpkg :P |
| 01:03.28 | anarcat | i've got the weirdest bug |
| 01:03.36 | anarcat | my space bar doesn't work, kinda |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | youmeanlikethis |
| 01:03.52 | Livingroom | orlikethis? |
| 01:03.52 | anarcat | it generates the escape sequence c2a0 instead of 20 |
| 01:03.56 | anarcat | no |
| 01:04.04 | Livingroom | so^its^like^this? |
| 01:04.05 | anarcat | i     can    type    spaces |
| 01:04.18 | anarcat | *but*: |
| 01:04.19 | anarcat | anarcat@marvin:~$ ls / |
| 01:04.19 | anarcat | zsh: no such file or directory: ls / |
| 01:04.25 | Livingroom | roffles |
| 01:04.34 | anarcat | unfuckingbelievable |
| 01:04.47 | sonnie | can anyone answer my question?after upgrading perl-base from 5.8.8 to 5.10.0, libdbd-sqlite3-perl is unavailable: libdbd-sqlite3-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.8.8 but it is not installable |
| 01:04.48 | Livingroom | do a rm -rf / and see if that fixes it? :P |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | Livingroom: don't do that again .. EVER |
| 01:05.03 | anarcat | Livingroom: :P |
| 01:05.13 | Livingroom | hehe, sorry. |
| 01:05.15 | Livingroom | couldnt resist :) |
| 01:05.22 | WormFood | Livingroom, I got a better one....do a cp /dev/zero /dev/hda1 ;) |
| 01:05.23 | anarcat | Livingroom: i'm fairly confident that if i type that right now, it won't do anything, but i won't :P |
| 01:05.45 | anarcat | well bunch of fun, but still, this is a real issue :) |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:05.48 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 01:05.55 | anarcat | this affects only x, not the console |
| 01:06.00 | Livingroom | so, like, i should just go fdisk /r, right? to fix everything, right? |
| 01:06.16 | anarcat | i regenerated the xorg.conf from scratch (rm xorg.conf ; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) |
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| 01:06.21 | Livingroom | right? |
| 01:06.37 | anarcat | abrotman: |
| 01:06.38 | anarcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.38 | anarcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.43 | Livingroom | god, this embedded linux device is epic win FTW. |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | seems not good |
| 01:06.53 | anarcat | definitly |
| 01:07.02 | anarcat | this is after a funky upgrade i did recently |
| 01:07.23 | rascal999 | I'm following this guide http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 and I've done everything exact, but when trying to boot from usb, I get an Missing operating system. Operating System not found error. |
| 01:07.34 | rascal999 | any other methods for installing via usb/network? |
| 01:07.38 | anarcat | well, nothing was funky about it, i just upgraded testing to testing, but it seems all hell broke loose |
| 01:07.56 | anarcat | i guess that'll teach me to run testing :p |
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| 01:08.32 | WormFood | testing? that is no fun....run unstable instead |
| 01:08.43 | abrotman | WormFood: don't do that |
| 01:08.52 | abrotman | anarcat: tried another window manager |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:09.05 | anarcat | abrotman: the best part is that i can't actually do /msg dpkg :) |
| 01:09.07 | \amethyst | anarcat: is the keysym still 0x20, space, or is it different, too? |
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| 01:09.15 | abrotman | !tell anarcat about foo |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:09.37 | abrotman | anarcat: are you gnome? kde? something else? |
| 01:09.44 | anarcat | http://pastebin.ca/1011273 |
| 01:09.46 | anarcat | abrotman: gnome |
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| 01:09.56 | Livingroom | guys, here's a real pickle |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | anarcat: FWIW .. my gnome works perfectly fine |
| 01:10.05 | anarcat | !tell anarcat about drxx |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | anarcat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:10.18 | Livingroom | how do i use mencoder to stream a v4l2 device? |
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| 01:10.21 | WormFood | I find with unstable I have very few problems, if I keep it updated fairly regularly |
| 01:10.22 | mot_ | here's my situation |
| 01:10.26 | abrotman | anarcat: but is it all X or just gnome? |
| 01:10.26 | \amethyst | anarcat: okay, so the keycode is right, but the keysym is wrong |
| 01:10.28 | anarcat | abrotman: did that, got a virgin xorg now |
| 01:10.33 | anarcat | abrotman: i'll try that |
| 01:10.40 | WormFood | if I wait months between updates, then I have more problems with unstable it seems |
| 01:11.08 | \amethyst | anarcat: to fix it do xmodmap -e 'keycode 65 = space' |
| 01:11.09 | mot_ | i have 2 partitions - OS and data. i wiped the OS partition of windows 2003 server and threw debian on it, however the data partition still seems to be "locked" it complains that $LogFile is dirty and will only mount is as read-only, however i want to read/write. i tried running ntfsfix on it and it says it was successful, but then mount still says the volume is dirty and only mounts it as ro |
| 01:11.29 | \amethyst | anarcat: to type that, use ctrl-v tab to insert a tab instead of space |
| 01:11.41 | mot_ | so i have 30gb of data and no quick way to copy it anywhere so i can delete/recreate that partition and copy the data back over - i'm sending it to another box via lan (don't have enough space on my OS partition to copy it locally) |
| 01:11.44 | anarcat | \amethyst: cool trick, will try |
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| 01:11.45 | mot_ | anybody have any suggestions? |
| 01:11.46 | \amethyst | or select a space somewhere onscreen and middle click |
| 01:11.52 | anarcat | then i'll try something else than gnome |
| 01:12.00 | anarcat | i have tens of wms here anyways :) |
| 01:12.33 | anarcat | \amethyst: that worked |
| 01:12.39 | anarcat | \amethyst: i mean the xmodmap |
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| 01:12.45 | anarcat | \amethyst: copy-pasting didn't work |
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| 01:12.57 | anarcat | now copy-pasting works |
| 01:13.09 | anarcat | abrotman: i'm now fairly sure this is a xorg issue... |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | anarcat: i blame kde |
| 01:13.16 | sploozer | how come there are so many people in this room |
| 01:13.18 | anarcat | \amethyst: where are those keycodes defined again? |
| 01:13.27 | anarcat | abrotman: i don't run kde, blame gnome :) |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | anarcat: blame canada! |
| 01:13.45 | anarcat | abrotman: hey, i'm canadian :P |
| 01:13.52 | anarcat | blame the aliens |
| 01:13.57 | anarcat | whatever |
| 01:13.58 | \amethyst | anarcat: /etc/X11/xkb among other places |
| 01:14.38 | \amethyst | thoug I'm wondering about the state: 0x2010 ? |
| 01:14.46 | anarcat | \amethyst: am i supposed to have a keycodes/xorg file in there? |
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| 01:15.13 | anarcat | i have a xfree86 file in there |
| 01:15.24 | Livingroom | guys, here's a real pickle |
| 01:15.25 | Livingroom | how do i use mencoder to stream a v4l2 device? |
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| 01:15.28 | anarcat | this is an old box, btw, that was upgraded again and again, probably dates back to sarge, at least |
| 01:16.24 | anarcat | so it had xfree at some point |
| 01:16.25 | \amethyst | anarcat: maybe /usr/share/X11/xkb/ instead |
| 01:16.29 | \amethyst | anarcat: I think they're in /usr/share now because they're no longer considered conffiles |
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| 01:16.38 | \amethyst | (meaning if you're going to edit them you should probably use dpkg-divert) |
| 01:16.38 | anarcat | \amethyst: no xorg there either |
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| 01:16.54 | Livingroom | i have a ghost user. he's no longer conencted but who reports that he his. how can i kick his ass? there's no tty or sshd active for him |
| 01:17.15 | anarcat | Livingroom: ps axu |grep user |
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| 01:17.53 | anarcat | hum |
| 01:18.06 | anarcat | on another system, i don't have a xorg keycode files either, so i guess that's not the issue |
| 01:18.22 | anarcat | root@lenny [keycodes]# grep 65 xfree86 <SPCE> = 65; |
| 01:18.30 | mot_ | why can't i apt-get ntfs-3g in etch? |
| 01:18.38 | anarcat | garbled paste, but you get the idea |
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| 01:18.54 | Ryan52 | On some of my systems /proc/fd does not exist. so "cat <(echo asdf)" fails with "cat: /dev/fd/63: No such file or directory". I solved that by "ln -s /proc/self/fd /proc/fd". Then last night we installed kernel upgrades and rebooted all of the servers. Now /proc/fd does not exist on some of them again. How do I solve this? |
| 01:19.14 | \amethyst | mot_: it's not in etch, but you can get it from backports |
| 01:19.17 | \amethyst | !backports |
| 01:19.17 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 01:20.09 | Wyzard | Ryan52: I have no /proc/fd either, but my /dev/fd is a symlink to /proc/self/fd |
| 01:20.19 | Wyzard | Ryan52: so <(echo asdf) works fine |
| 01:20.33 | Ryan52 | Wyzard: yes, thats how it should be. but on a few of my systems there is no symlink causeing that to fail |
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| 01:21.03 | Wyzard | Ryan52: That's true on both my etch system (running 2.6.18) and my sid system (running 2.6.24) so I'd say it's the way it's supposed to be |
| 01:21.05 | andycr | Is there a way to get a list, in order by time installed, of packages apt has installed? |
| 01:21.16 | \amethyst | Ryan52: do you mean /dev/fd doesn't exist? |
| 01:21.20 | Wyzard | Ryan52: If you don't have /dev/fd pointing to /proc/self/fd, that's the real problem |
| 01:21.24 | Ryan52 | amethyst: yes |
| 01:21.35 | \amethyst | Ryan52: are these machines using udev? |
| 01:21.46 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: how do I check that? |
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| 01:22.09 | Wyzard | Ryan52: ps -ef | grep udev |
| 01:22.16 | Wyzard | Ryan52: You should see a "udevd --daemon" running |
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| 01:22.22 | anarcat | this is incredibly weird |
| 01:22.24 | Ryan52 | oooo...no, they aren't |
| 01:22.42 | \amethyst | Ryan52: then you can just make the link yourself |
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| 01:22.59 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: after reboot its gone |
| 01:23.00 | \amethyst | Ryan52: ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev/fd |
| 01:23.11 | Wyzard | Ryan52: udev is part of a standard Debian install afaik |
| 01:23.12 | \amethyst | Ryan52: do you have a /dev/.static/ |
| 01:23.13 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: thats what I did originally |
| 01:23.33 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: yes |
| 01:23.50 | \amethyst | Ryan52: what OS and version are these machines? |
| 01:23.54 | Livingroom | how can i become more leet? |
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| 01:24.05 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: mostly etch. 1 lenny. |
| 01:24.11 | jhan100 | Hi guys, does anybody know a good e-mule client to Linux ? there's a long time I dont use these stuffs and the last I heard about was the amule |
| 01:24.15 | jhan100 | do we have a new one ? |
| 01:24.16 | \amethyst | Ryan52: oh, then udev should be running |
| 01:24.35 | Ryan52 | \amethyst: theyre all xen instances. does that make a difference? |
| 01:24.48 | \amethyst | Ryan52: what does grep '^L fd' /etc/udev/links.conf say? |
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| 01:25.08 | Ryan52 | grep: /etc/udev/links.conf: No such file or directory |
| 01:26.12 | Livingroom | are any of you guys familiar with tsocks? |
| 01:26.27 | \amethyst | Ryan52: hm, so it doesn't have udev, yet /dev is getting recreated on each boot |
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| 01:27.18 | Wyzard | Ryan52: My Xen VMs (running etch) have udev |
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| 01:27.26 | Ryan52 | most of mine do too |
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| 01:27.38 | \amethyst | Ryan52: does running udev fix it? |
| 01:27.45 | anarcat | i have another one for you |
| 01:27.46 | Wyzard | Ryan52: It's a dependency of initramfs-tools, which is a dependency of the linux-image packages |
| 01:28.04 | Ryan52 | could running it screw anything up? |
| 01:28.10 | Ryan52 | cause these are live important servers |
| 01:28.14 | anarcat | once X11 has been started, when i return to the console, it's "faded" (barely visible) |
| 01:28.25 | anarcat | during the boot, everything is fine and all bright |
| 01:28.40 | anarcat | but once x is started, the console looks like its gamma is way down |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | isn't that good ? |
| 01:28.58 | \amethyst | Ryan52: it would at most screw up the list of devices in /dev, but you can always emergency mount /dev/.static over /dev |
| 01:29.03 | anarcat | x11 is fine too, all consoles are affected (except from x11) |
| 01:29.07 | \amethyst | err, /dev/.static/dev over /dev |
| 01:29.14 | anarcat | abrotman: no, it's not good, i can't *read* anything! :) |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | turns his brightness all the way down |
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| 01:29.59 | Wyzard | Ryan52: It's a significant change (udev is responsible for things like boot-time hardware detection and module loading, and populating /dev dynamically) so there's some risk, but udev is a standard system daemon that's intended to be used on most/all systems so I'd say it's a small risk |
| 01:30.23 | \amethyst | Ryan52: oh, wait, there is one concern |
| 01:30.26 | xsamurai | im having problems using the --files-from option in my rsync command |
| 01:30.32 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 01:30.32 | dpkg | from memory, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 01:30.56 | \amethyst | Ryan52: because of that you'll probably want to remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules symlink |
| 01:31.04 | anarcat | abrotman: i don't, and even if i did, i would like x11 to be down too... |
| 01:31.17 | Wyzard | \amethyst: Why remove it? |
| 01:31.23 | \amethyst | well |
| 01:31.45 | \amethyst | I guess whether you would remove it or not depends on which you do more often: replace network cards, or add new ones |
| 01:31.55 | Wyzard | If he only has one NIC it's harmless, and if he has multiple, he'd already be having the problem that persistent-net is intended to solve |
| 01:31.56 | xsamurai | heres the command i use $RSYNC -avz --include-from=$LFILE -e "ssh -i $KEY" $RUSER@$RHOST:$RDIR |
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| 01:32.45 | anarcat | abrotman: i also suspect gnome for the keymap issue now, btw |
| 01:32.46 | Ryan52 | theyre xen instances so I dont think theyd notice net card changes |
| 01:32.55 | Wyzard | good point |
| 01:32.56 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | anarcat: gnome has a keyboard applet |
| 01:33.06 | anarcat | control-] doesn't work properly either, but when i punch "setxkbmap us" in a shell, everything comes back to normal |
| 01:33.06 | \amethyst | I'd say in a Xen instance you shouldn't have that |
| 01:33.14 | anarcat | abrotman: yeah, i use the dreaded thing |
| 01:33.19 | \amethyst | doesn't Xen use a slightly different MAC each time? |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:33.26 | anarcat | they kinda got it working right, for a while, seems they screwed up again |
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| 01:33.34 | Wyzard | \amethyst: not mine |
| 01:33.49 | \amethyst | Wyzard: oh, cool |
| 01:34.06 | \amethyst | I haven't yet got round to trying Xen, but I'll probably be doing so later this week |
| 01:34.32 | Wyzard | \amethyst: though I specify fixed MAC addresses in the VMs' config files |
| 01:34.48 | \amethyst | Wyzard: I'll keep that in mind |
| 01:34.59 | Wyzard | vif = [ 'bridge=xenbr0, mac=00:16:3e:xx:yy:zz' ] |
| 01:35.15 | \amethyst | Wyzard: what kernel do you use for your DomU? |
| 01:35.19 | \amethyst | Wyzard: err, dom0 |
| 01:35.22 | xsamurai | errr its $RSYNC -avz --files-from=$LFILE -e "ssh -i $KEY" $RUSER@$RHOST:$RDIR |
| 01:35.32 | Wyzard | 2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 01:35.36 | Wyzard | in both dom0 and domU |
| 01:35.40 | anarcat | abrotman: do you think i should file a bug on debian/gnome/somewhere? |
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| 01:35.53 | abrotman | anarcat: only if you can figure out what is causing it |
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| 01:36.11 | anarcat | abrotman: so that it can be reproduced, got it |
| 01:36.17 | anarcat | not sure i can do that just yet |
| 01:36.31 | anarcat | i'll probably upgrade my laptop by mistake at some point and reproduce it :) |
| 01:36.33 | abrotman | anarcat: aptitude install gnome xorg .. anything else want to come in ? |
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| 01:37.20 | anarcat | i guess you'd need to get the silly applet and duplicate my configuration (which is use the "ca" and "us" keymaps in alternance, with scroll lock switching and led, "ca" being the default) |
| 01:37.55 | anarcat | http://pastebin.ca/1011305 |
| 01:38.00 | anarcat | that used to be my x11 config |
| 01:38.25 | anarcat | i suspect it's the cause of my worries, but then again it might just be that gnome appley |
| 01:38.29 | anarcat | applet* |
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| 01:45.55 | Fire | Hello. |
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| 01:46.25 | Fire | Could anybody help me? Specifing startx when connected to my machine via ssh doesn't work. Why _? |
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| 01:47.22 | Ryan52 | Fire: what are you trying to accomplish by doing that? |
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| 01:48.12 | Fire | Ryan52: I want to use a window managere |
| 01:48.19 | Fire | -e |
| 01:48.29 | Ryan52 | on the system that your ssh-ing to or from? |
| 01:48.38 | Fire | on |
| 01:48.43 | Fire | via ssh |
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| 01:49.04 | Ryan52 | so you want to see it on your local machine but it to be running on the remote? |
| 01:49.13 | liable | did you enable x forwarding? |
| 01:49.23 | Fire | No . I want to see it on my remote machine |
| 01:49.27 | Fire | err. |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 01:49.38 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 01:49.43 | asg | Fire: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 01:50.01 | Fire | i c |
| 01:50.06 | Fire | Let's try that. |
| 01:50.24 | iced_tea | lets :P |
| 01:50.37 | Fire | Second thing: Is it possible to attach/detach an X-session? |
| 01:50.52 | Ryan52 | Fire: yes, using vnc |
| 01:51.39 | Fire | Ryan: Hmm, but not via ssh? For ssh it only works with screens which are not based on X, right=? |
| 01:52.01 | Ryan52 | Fire: vnc is a networking protocol. |
| 01:52.07 | asg | Fire: you can tunnel vnc over ssh if need be |
| 01:52.35 | Fire | So that client and server are on the same pc? |
| 01:52.43 | Ryan52 | Fire: they can be |
| 01:52.56 | Ryan52 | Fire: but you can also connect remotely |
| 01:53.22 | Fire | ÂÂnot if the vnc is closed where I need ssh.h |
| 01:53.31 | Fire | vnc port |
| 01:53.36 | WormFood | anyone have 'anki' installed, that can test something for me before I file a bug report? |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | just file the freaking bug .. it's been like 12 hours |
| 01:54.57 | Fire | Ryan: I have a small problem with backspace. I can't just use it, I need to go exactly on the character I want to delete, I can't just press backspace on the end of a word or sentence. Why's tht? |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | if it's not a bug .. the maintainer will tell you that you're an idiot and close it |
| 01:55.37 | WormFood | yeah abrotman, I'm asking again, because we have a different group of people here....except you :P |
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| 01:58.05 | sumargtin | Hi, How do you screen the desktop? |
| 01:58.18 | sumargtin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.45 | gravity | I don't even know what "screen the desktop" means |
| 01:59.04 | Tramp | !screenshot |
| 01:59.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd, or push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome, or kde, or or gnome-panel-screenshot |
| 01:59.05 | rascal999 | I've extracted boot.img and tried both businesscard and netinst to usb, but when the stick is read, I keep getting this error. Missing operating system. Operating System not found |
| 01:59.07 | Tramp | maybe |
| 01:59.07 | Livingroom | anyone wanna ssh into my box and check out my awesome debian pda? |
| 01:59.08 | rascal999 | any ideas? |
| 01:59.14 | sumargtin | yes screenshot |
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| 01:59.18 | asg | Livingroom: no, don't be stupid |
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| 01:59.32 | Livingroom | it's single-user anyway, and there's no write permissions |
| 01:59.41 | gravity | thought it was "screen" for X sessions, go figure |
| 01:59.46 | sumargtin | gravity screenshot |
| 02:00.04 | Tramp | sumargtin: see what dpkg wrote above |
| 02:00.26 | sumargtin | ok |
| 02:00.43 | Livingroom | imagemagick RAWKS MAN |
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| 02:01.22 | lostson | are there any good comand line cd rippers ? |
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| 02:01.47 | pjv | hi is it possible to do a screenshot and also capture the video i am playing on mplayer?? |
| 02:01.52 | asg | lostson: abcde |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | !info istanbul |
| 02:02.02 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is extra. Version: 0.2.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 02:02.12 | asg | abrotman: !constantinople |
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| 02:02.32 | abrotman | asg: you know they make music for kids now ? |
| 02:02.38 | lostson | asg: thanks |
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| 02:03.14 | asg | abrotman: and 'New Kids' is making a comeback *shudder* |
| 02:03.27 | gravity | Hangin' tough |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | asg: THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T BUY JUDAS PRIEST TICKETS! |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | i knew it! |
| 02:03.51 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 02:03.56 | Fire | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | use the right authentication |
| 02:04.04 | Fire | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 02:04.11 | asg | abrotman: "Fatback's back alright!!!!!" |
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| 02:04.35 | Fire | ? |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | asg: they should do a boyband supergroup reunion tour thingie .. like nsync and back street and new kids |
| 02:05.22 | asg | abrotman: the Zodiac killer should come out of retirement |
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| 02:05.28 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:05.36 | abrotman | asg: though i'd vote for BTK |
| 02:06.11 | asg | abrotman: true though BTK sounds like something you get at a drive through |
| 02:06.15 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: so we can dispatch al qaeda to them? |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:06.27 | Livingroom | how do i use mencoder to stream a v4l2 device? |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | asg: but what's the K for? |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | Kangaroo! |
| 02:06.52 | asg | abrotman: ketchup |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | bah .. mine was beter |
| 02:07.14 | asg | abrotman: kanga ketchup also works ... k2k |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:15.25 | pksharma | how to remap keyboard of pc ? |
| 02:16.28 | asg | pksharma: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 02:17.31 | pksharma | 2. how to get desired characters by rightAlt+key and RAlt+RShift+key ? |
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| 02:18.21 | Fire | Hmm, the x-session starts on the remote computer after specifying startx in ssh. Why? |
| 02:18.25 | Fire | What did I wrong? |
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| 02:18.46 | gravity | pksharma: xev will help you figure out the right keysym |
| 02:20.27 | Fire | anyone? |
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| 02:21.03 | asg | Fire: you probably want to utilize xdmcp (/msg dpkg xdmcp) |
| 02:21.09 | Samonoske | Is there a program for debian that will make it automount flash drives? |
| 02:21.24 | gravity | Samonoske: gnome-volume-manager |
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| 02:22.12 | Samonoske | gravity i'm not running any GUI's |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | ivman ? |
| 02:22.43 | asg | Samonoske: autofs will work but only when you access the mountpoint. |
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| 02:23.15 | Samonoske | asg i'm n00b..i'm not sure how to do it at all |
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| 02:24.03 | asg | Samonoske: then install autofs and read /usr/share/doc/autofs/* to see if it fits your requirements |
| 02:24.40 | Samonoske | asg okay |
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| 02:26.17 | Ryan52 | Is udev needed in xen instances? Is there any reason to not have udev in xen instances. Because its not installed by default but that causes problems with /dev/fd not existing. |
| 02:26.34 | pksharma | gravity: thanks |
| 02:26.45 | Wyzard | Ryan52: Strictly speaking it's not *needed* anywhere, but it's useful |
| 02:27.06 | Ryan52 | but is there a reason why its not installed by default? |
| 02:27.12 | Wyzard | Ryan52: and it works fine in Xen; I have a dom0 and three domUs running etch and they all have it |
| 02:27.56 | Wyzard | Ryan52: with the caveat that I mentioned earlier about specifying fixed MAC addresses in the domUs' .cfg files |
| 02:29.03 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks |
| 02:29.07 | Wyzard | or alternatively, deleting udev's persistent-net.generator file (but that's less preferable IMO) |
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| 02:30.07 | Fire | asg: I've done what in the msg, still, using 'startx', it opens on the local, not on the remote. |
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| 02:33.11 | Fire | Using 'wmaker' it says I am already using a window manager altough I'm not. |
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| 02:34.22 | Fire | My question might be dumb and newbie-ish, still I'd appreciate help.. |
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| 02:36.32 | Wyzard | Fire: Do your windows have titlebars on them? |
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| 02:37.17 | Fire | Wyzard: wmaker didn't even open. |
| 02:37.36 | Ryan52 | Wyzard: Some of mine dont have the mac set in the .cfg. Are you sure that the mac addr will change? I tried restarting a test domU and it didnt. Will it change when the dom0 is rebooted? |
| 02:37.59 | Wyzard | Ryan52: I'm not sure what happens with a domU's mac address if you don't specify it in the config file |
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| 02:38.15 | doublehp | can someone point me a good tuto for transparent routing using iptables ? (transfering packets eth0 <=> eth1 under the same network, without NAT, without brctl ) |
| 02:38.23 | Wyzard | Ryan52: I'm not aware of it being persistently "remembered" somewhere automatically |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | doublehp: not possible? |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | i don't think ... |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | and why are you routing on the same network ? |
| 02:39.28 | Fire | Wyzard: startx starts a x session on the server, not on my computer connected via ssh. |
| 02:39.41 | Wyzard | Fire: correct |
| 02:40.07 | Fire | Who do I start a session via ssh? |
| 02:40.18 | Fire | Using ssh -X doesn't work. |
| 02:40.18 | doublehp | abrotman: I know some people do it, but, 10p tutos I did read are fuzzy to me ... |
| 02:40.42 | Wyzard | Fire: If you want to display stuff locally, you have to run X locally |
| 02:41.00 | Wyzard | Fire: "ssh -X" lets you run programs on the remote computer and have their windows appear on the X display that you're already running locally |
| 02:41.38 | Wyzard | doublehp: If eth0 and eth1 are on the same network, why do you need to route between them? |
| 02:42.05 | Dewi | if I make a zone (for development only) with no slave DNS |
| 02:42.05 | \amethyst | you could maybe use something like ssh -Y me@othermachine gnome-session as the client when you startx locally |
| 02:42.09 | Dewi | will anything bad happen? |
| 02:42.12 | doublehp | Wyzard: to unify physical nets, into a single virtual one :) |
| 02:42.21 | Dewi | will a clown eat me? will I go to the 9th circle of bind9 hell? |
| 02:42.32 | Wyzard | doublehp: That's what bridging (or just a switch) is for |
| 02:42.38 | Fire | Wyzard: From the beginning. I am connected to my computer using ssh -X. I use "wmaker". It says that there's already a window manager session. What should I do? |
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| 02:43.09 | Dewi | Fire: maybe it's a bad idea to run two at once |
| 02:43.11 | \amethyst | Dewi: it means that when the server goes down, people will get timeouts trying to look up the domain and will be annoyed |
| 02:43.15 | Dewi | Fire: as the same user |
| 02:43.35 | Fire | Dewi: both computers are in text-mode |
| 02:43.39 | Dewi | \amethyst: the domain is hosted on the same server so it's unlikely to hurt much |
| 02:44.05 | Dewi | Fire: verify with 'ps' that you're not running a bunch of wmaker / X11 stuff somehow |
| 02:44.13 | doublehp | Wyzard: in a way, yes, but brctl never work on Wifi cards ... |
| 02:44.16 | Dewi | Fire: otherwise, did you shut wmaker down cleanly? maybe a lock file lingers... |
| 02:44.26 | \amethyst | Dewi: it is painful when the lack of server gets cached |
| 02:44.40 | Dewi | Fire: oh unless it's talking about the window manager on your local xclient end |
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| 02:44.41 | abrotman | doublehp: that sounds like an issue with your wifi card driver |
| 02:44.42 | \amethyst | Dewi: but, yeah, I've usually done DNS the same way |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | doublehp: or you did it wrong |
| 02:45.04 | kuber | 2x1680x1050, 1x1920x1080 aww yeah |
| 02:45.11 | \amethyst | Fire: you're sitting at a computer in text mode? |
| 02:45.14 | doublehp | abrotman: problem is not mine, problem is ALL wifi cards ! |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | doublehp: i'm totally not going to try to prove you wrong :) |
| 02:45.53 | liable | brctl works on my atheros card |
| 02:46.09 | Fire | amethyst: No. The remote computer is _now_ in text-mode. The local one I'm on, chatting with you, is a mac connected to the remote via ssh |
| 02:46.18 | \amethyst | Fire: and it's running a window manager? |
| 02:46.22 | Fire | runlevel 2 |
| 02:46.26 | Fire | amethyst: It's not. |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | doublehp: SEE! |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | doublehp: i know liable is crazy .. but he says it works |
| 02:46.39 | \amethyst | Fire: so you're in X but you don't have any window decorations? |
| 02:46.47 | Fire | Probably. |
| 02:46.57 | doublehp | abrotman: especially when I reid it a dozen time, just to check, confirmed by 3 Wifi tutos, and a close friend :) |
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| 02:47.04 | doublehp | tried |
| 02:47.04 | \amethyst | Fire: Do your windows have borders or titles or maximize buttons or anything like that? |
| 02:47.14 | Wyzard | doublehp: I think it's only certain wireless cards that have that problem... but you can buy a "wireless bridge" device that's meant for exactly that purpose |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | doublehp: bridging is not super easy |
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| 02:47.20 | Fire | amethyst: No, I don't have any window manager session. |
| 02:47.28 | Fire | I'm in text mode. |
| 02:47.36 | \amethyst | text mode? |
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| 02:47.39 | liable | doublehp: i have set up a bridge between my ethernet and my atheros card so i could use it as an ap. worked fine.. |
| 02:47.42 | \amethyst | I thought you said you were in X |
| 02:47.58 | Wyzard | Fire: You're running "ssh -X" from a text console, correct? |
| 02:47.59 | doublehp | liable: prism2.0 PCI |
| 02:48.05 | Fire | Yes, Wyzard |
| 02:48.12 | Wyzard | Fire: "ssh -X" lets remote programs connect to your local X display |
| 02:48.20 | Wyzard | Fire: For it to work, you need to *have* a local X display |
| 02:48.34 | liable | doublehp: dont have one. |
| 02:48.34 | \amethyst | Fire: run an X server on the mac |
| 02:48.40 | Wyzard | Fire: You need to be running X locally, e.g. by running startx locally, or using something like gdm |
| 02:48.45 | doublehp | liable: known to not work :) |
| 02:48.56 | \amethyst | Fire: then use ssh -X or ssh -Y to connect to wherever |
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| 02:49.14 | \amethyst | Fire: you still might not be able to start a window manager, if X is running in rootless mode |
| 02:49.14 | liable | doublehp: just pointing out that not *all* wifi cards cant do bridging. :) |
| 02:49.28 | doublehp | ok |
| 02:49.37 | \amethyst | Fire: since then OS X rather than X manages the windows |
| 02:50.43 | \amethyst | Fire: XDarwinStartup locally (on the Mac) |
| 02:50.58 | \amethyst | (unless you already have it enabled) |
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| 02:54.06 | Fire | amethyst: I have an X server running locally |
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| 02:55.55 | Fire | zola:/home/rr# wmaker |
| 02:55.55 | Fire | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 02:55.55 | Fire | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 02:55.55 | Fire | zola:/home/rr# |
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| 02:56.25 | Fire | Sorry, didn't know that four lines would lead to a kick. |
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| 02:56.35 | \amethyst | Fire: ah, the 'wrong authentication' thing looks relevant |
| 02:56.46 | \amethyst | Fire: does the machine you're sshing to have xauth on it? |
| 02:56.48 | benjamindees | is anyone using the gnash backport for etch successfully? |
| 02:57.09 | \amethyst | Fire: also, soes using ssh -Y instead of ssh -X change the behaviour |
| 02:57.10 | Fire | yes |
| 02:57.28 | Fire | locate xauth found it in /usr/bin |
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| 03:00.14 | Fire | ameth: Can I PM you ? |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 03:00.50 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
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| 03:01.35 | Fire | abrotman: Doesn't work with xchat@mac |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | bullshit |
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| 03:13.13 | Nyle | is there a setting for tab completion in xchat maybe? |
| 03:16.09 | Fire | abrotman: see? |
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| 03:31.24 | acehigh | welp wish me luck with my new vid card |
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| 03:34.51 | acehigh | bbiab |
| 03:34.54 | Nyle | Fire, apparantly xchat has tab completion built in and there is no setting to turn it off, only to turn auto complete on or off |
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| 03:35.08 | Nyle | Fire, if it isn't working then maybe you should check your tab key ;) |
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| 03:36.59 | Nyle | enouf, ping |
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| 03:38.25 | CompWizrd | you can shut it off, sure |
| 03:38.49 | CompWizrd | settings, preferences, interface, input box |
| 03:39.40 | Nyle | CompWizrd, /me reads online in forums maybe |
| 03:39.54 | Nyle | CompWizrd, /me uses irssi and only irssi |
| 03:40.05 | Nyle | I refuse to use anything else |
| 03:40.34 | Nyle | keep a usbkey with putty.exe in case i have to work on windows |
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| 03:40.49 | Nyle | some live cds |
| 03:40.54 | Nyle | with irssi of course |
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| 03:49.52 | enouf | Nyle: yo |
| 03:50.26 | Nyle | hey man may I message you? |
| 03:50.29 | venger | anyone have an idea how long wiping a 500gb hd using dd should take? its been about 1h45min so far |
| 03:50.43 | enouf | sure |
| 03:51.40 | benjamindees | venger, 7 hours ? |
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| 03:53.03 | benjamindees | could be like 4 hours though; I'm not sure how fast the average 500 gb hd is |
| 03:53.16 | CompWizrd | venger: kill -USR1 the dd process, and it'll tell you how far you've gotten so far |
| 03:53.25 | CompWizrd | (as documented in man dd) |
| 03:53.41 | CompWizrd | (and iti'll keep going after too) |
| 03:54.08 | venger | reading the man about it |
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| 03:54.39 | CompWizrd | skip the kill $pid part though :) |
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| 03:55.49 | venger | 453226004480 bytes (453 GB) copied, 6595.31 s, 68.7 MB/s |
| 03:55.59 | CompWizrd | almost done then |
| 03:56.06 | venger | thanks for the cool tip btw |
| 03:56.12 | CompWizrd | 68.7 sounds about right.. spinpoint F1, or seagate 7200.11? |
| 03:56.18 | venger | .11 |
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| 03:56.56 | venger | of course its my first .11 all others are .10 and here i've had it a week or so and started getting smart events |
| 03:57.31 | benjamindees | dpkg, gnash_etch is After adding a mirror for <backports.org>, aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash konqueror-plugin-gnash libqt3-mt=3:3.3.8b-5~bpo40+1 && x-www-browser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw |
| 03:57.31 | dpkg | okay, benjamindees |
| 03:58.00 | benjamindees | dpkg, gnash is also ask me about <gnash_etch> |
| 03:58.00 | dpkg | benjamindees: okay |
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| 03:59.40 | CompWizrd | venger: i have 4 of the 1TB 7200.11's at home, I was lucky none of them had issues |
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| 04:05.06 | venger | my opinion is that the these shops like newegg and zzf could do a better job with the packing. it *appears* here lately that they are skimping much more than they should on sensitive devices. I say this without knowing for sure thats what caused my issue here but it doesn't hurt for these things to be packed well. |
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| 04:05.48 | acehigh | im back |
| 04:06.05 | techrush | venger, i noticed that about newegg as well |
| 04:06.15 | acehigh | I have to say that the 9600gt rocks in debian |
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| 04:06.52 | CompWizrd | venger: we bought 15 Maxline III's for a server at work a few years back, about 4-5 of them were DOA thanks to newegg's packaging |
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| 04:07.20 | CompWizrd | too bad they didn't all DOA, it was awhile before the drives were actually usable, due to firmware issues. |
| 04:07.59 | Dewi | is bind9 chrooted by default these days? |
| 04:08.02 | venger | does your 1TB's use SD15 too? |
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| 04:09.50 | Dewi | the whole concept of buying a drive by post fills me with dread |
| 04:09.58 | Dewi | that said, I'm sure my local shop doesn't handle them perfectly |
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| 04:10.29 | venger | i can hear this drive make a weird noise in the mix of steady writing, three cheers for S.M.A.R.T this time |
| 04:10.54 | CompWizrd | SD15? |
| 04:11.04 | Dewi | venger: I haven't had a failure in years that wasn't predicted by SMART, where available |
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| 04:11.25 | Dewi | venger: google reckons 1/3 of failures are totally missed by SMART though |
| 04:11.51 | Dewi | (sudden failure of heads etc) |
| 04:11.58 | CompWizrd | i have a drive sitting on my desk that you can hear clicking from the other side of the office.. my brother did the prairie-dog thing when i first plugged it in.. it's massively bad, it clunks back and forth.. SMART says it's fine. :) |
| 04:12.14 | CompWizrd | even after leaving ddrescue running for a week, with hundreds of megs of errors.. smart says its fine |
| 04:12.23 | Dewi | CompWizrd: I had that recently |
| 04:12.38 | Dewi | CompWizrd: but the next week, some bad sectors, SMART tripped |
| 04:12.50 | Dewi | CompWizrd: but gddrescue saved all but 16kB |
| 04:13.16 | Dewi | that tool is just amazing, it's all in the retry patterns |
| 04:13.34 | Dewi | so simple it hurts - avoid rereading bad sectors until you've rescued the good data |
| 04:14.20 | CompWizrd | yeah, and if you turn on the log file, you can start from where yuo left off, in case it totally locked up or something |
| 04:14.30 | CompWizrd | or if you want to try a different orientation or the freezer-trick again |
| 04:14.35 | Dewi | yep, you just plug in a USB drive |
| 04:14.48 | Dewi | and it no longer matters if you have a SATA controller/driver that reboots linux in the event of serious issues |
| 04:15.10 | venger | on the home stretch this thing is really starting to click |
| 04:15.18 | Dewi | CompWizrd: it's also handy for stuff like CD media where you know you have a bit-perfect copy that is also damaged |
| 04:15.22 | CompWizrd | venger, that's what the 5 year warranty is for |
| 04:15.27 | Dewi | CompWizrd: you can piece the whole back together from 2 opticals |
| 04:15.37 | CompWizrd | dewi: i use par2's for that, but yeah :) |
| 04:15.57 | Dewi | CompWizrd: heh |
| 04:16.06 | Dewi | CompWizrd: opticals have that built in already |
| 04:16.37 | Dewi | CompWizrd: but I guess it's wise to predict that the general degradation gradually spills out of the recoverable and into unrecoverable territory... so put some additional bits aside |
| 04:17.04 | Dewi | CompWizrd: but obviously you'd have to get there before that happened to make your PAR2 |
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| 04:19.48 | JDigital | How do I move hidden files |
| 04:20.26 | JDigital | that is to say I have a directory where I've done "mv *" but it's left files beginining in . (.htaccess, .svn, etc) |
| 04:21.06 | phrozen77 | what about mv .* |
| 04:21.36 | JDigital | oh it turns out I only have one file and I can move it by name. |
| 04:21.48 | JDigital | thanks :) |
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| 04:25.14 | venger | ok final result was 2h22m to zero the 500gb drive =) |
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| 04:26.23 | Dyyos | just curious, any hardcore, die-hard CLI users around using plain console and framebuffer without Xorg?? |
| 04:26.52 | acehigh | K I have to say Nvidia has broken the market hold |
| 04:26.58 | benjamindees | I do periodically, why? |
| 04:27.16 | acehigh | I just got a 9600gt OC and the drivers even though beta are rockin |
| 04:27.22 | hifi | Dyyos: why would anyone do that, really? |
| 04:27.29 | hifi | you even get nicer fonts on Xorg |
| 04:27.32 | acehigh | I just ran quake et for 10 minutes without a flaw |
| 04:27.53 | Dyyos | benjamindees I was wondering if it was a dying breed |
| 04:27.56 | acehigh | and the gpu temp didnt even move |
| 04:28.33 | Dyyos | hifi just cause a hardcore, die-hard CLI |
| 04:28.41 | acehigh | going to do a fps test right fast |
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| 04:30.00 | liable | most people who run servers dont have x |
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| 04:30.18 | liable | most dont even have monitors |
| 04:31.39 | hifi | of course |
| 04:32.10 | Dyyos | what about ppl using m$$ server? |
| 04:32.27 | benjamindees | hifi, x is a memory hog; it's also slower than a simple framebuffer for a lot of video cards. |
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| 04:33.35 | Dyyos | contemplates switching to Xframebuffer |
| 04:33.43 | venger | well you can always have it installed and not run a dm and use it on occasion, at leasts that what i do on my server |
| 04:33.57 | CompWizrd | Dyyos: i run icewm on dual monitor, with a whole pile of xterm's open.. close enough? :) |
| 04:34.08 | benjamindees | that reminds me, I need to play around with konqueror-embedded some more |
| 04:34.58 | Dyyos | CompWizrd almost... still uses X, so not hardcore die-hard CLIer |
| 04:35.47 | CompWizrd | i used to use just plain CLI, but only having 12 alt-fX shortcuts was limiting, and i didn't want to bother with splitvt or screen |
| 04:36.10 | acehigh | K thats just sick period |
| 04:36.33 | acehigh | I got better framerates than my buddies alienware system |
| 04:36.40 | Dyyos | "didn't want to bother with" <-- WTF??!! |
| 04:37.13 | Dyyos | *"didn't want to bother with screen" |
| 04:37.38 | Dyyos | screen is AWSOME |
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| 04:38.16 | CompWizrd | oh, i use it when i'm remoted into something I know i have to walk away from in a bit.. but if i can open two or more sessions and park one on each monitor, that's so much easier |
| 04:38.35 | Dyyos | screen -r |
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| 04:41.42 | venger | acehigh, did quake et come with boxed with the linux client? |
| 04:42.34 | acehigh | no i bought it sep |
| 04:42.40 | acehigh | Ive had it for a bit |
| 04:42.55 | acehigh | this week ive been trying to get it setup and performing in debian |
| 04:43.17 | acehigh | and yesterday i finally got it running but the graphics was crappy because of a 6100nvidia card i had |
| 04:43.30 | acehigh | now i upgraded to 9600gt oc and omg its sick |
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| 04:43.58 | acehigh | I am currently trying to find a 3d test besides glxgears |
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| 04:46.42 | phrost6 | how do I manually set a package as installed with APT? |
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| 04:47.45 | Lagbolt | manually set? |
| 04:48.08 | Lagbolt | do you want to install a package |
| 04:48.11 | Lagbolt | or tell it one is installed? |
| 04:48.14 | phrost6 | an external package is claming libxen3.1-dev as a dependency, but libxen-dev is installed which is basically the same package |
| 04:48.24 | phrost6 | i need to fake libxen3.1-dev as installed |
| 04:48.28 | phrost6 | because libxen-dev is providing it |
| 04:49.09 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 04:49.09 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 04:51.14 | phrost6 | valdyn: thanks a lot |
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| 04:55.25 | torgrimt | Nis there really a point in having 1 partition? |
| 04:55.28 | torgrimt | like.. |
| 04:55.32 | torgrimt | /dev/sdc is entire device, not just one partition! |
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| 04:56.40 | acehigh | welp night everyone |
| 04:56.48 | acehigh | debian wins again today :) |
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| 04:57.08 | torgrimt | seem like creating the filesystem directly on /dev/sdc works perfectl |
| 04:57.09 | torgrimt | y |
| 04:57.10 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 04:58.57 | Livingroom | guys, i'm sorry to ask this silly question |
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| 04:59.04 | Livingroom | how do i apt-get search for a *mail ? |
| 04:59.47 | enouf | apt-get search \*mail |
| 04:59.52 | enouf | er |
| 04:59.55 | enouf | lmao |
| 05:00.02 | enouf | apt-cache search \*mail |
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| 05:01.07 | enouf | my bad - > ~$ apt-cache search \.*mail |
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| 05:02.24 | enouf | awe crap, just do ~$ apt-cache search mail .. depends |
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| 05:03.22 | enouf | i know how to find things, depends .. i use | ^mail and apt-cache search --names-only mail .. etc etc |
| 05:03.36 | enouf | erm | grep ^mail |
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| 05:20.48 | n3kl | Anyone know why, when the only display mode I have set in Xorg.conf is 1024x768, X still defaults to 800x600? |
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| 05:21.05 | Lagbolt | n3kl, check the log |
| 05:21.23 | n3kl | Lagbolt: I did, looks like the mode I am trying to use *is* supported. |
| 05:22.00 | Lagbolt | n3kl, what driver u using? |
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| 05:24.22 | n3kl | Lagbolt: correction, there is a message that says no mode of this name or something like that |
| 05:24.27 | n3kl | I am using the vesa driver |
| 05:24.36 | n3kl | why would it have trouble with mode " |
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| 05:24.43 | n3kl | 1024x768" |
| 05:24.49 | n3kl | Should be able to use that mode. |
| 05:24.55 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin xorg.conf and xorg.0.log |
| 05:25.13 | n3kl | Lagbolt: its a straight default config, straight from xconfig |
| 05:25.46 | Lagbolt | still i cant help if i dont see, it is a starting point. |
| 05:25.49 | n3kl | er xorg-config er whatever is run when X is installed |
| 05:25.54 | Lagbolt | have you had debian in that res on this monitor before? |
| 05:26.00 | n3kl | um, have to think how I can paste from teh shell |
| 05:26.15 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 05:26.15 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
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| 05:26.46 | Lagbolt | and you said it defaults to 800x600 |
| 05:26.50 | n3kl | Lagbolt: well, here is the kicker, I am in framebuffer on that monitor at 1024x768 |
| 05:26.53 | Lagbolt | you can run X right? |
| 05:26.56 | n3kl | right |
| 05:27.10 | Lagbolt | so you can pastebin :) |
| 05:27.12 | enouf | do drxx |
| 05:27.12 | n3kl | lemme try your magic trick |
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| 05:27.31 | Lagbolt | drxx? |
| 05:27.36 | n3kl | enouf: drxx? |
| 05:27.38 | enouf | !drxx |
| 05:27.38 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 05:27.46 | Lagbolt | ah |
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| 05:29.47 | aurehman | Hi... how can i install MySQL 5.1.23 RC on debian? |
| 05:30.12 | n3kl | I have arendition verite card |
| 05:31.14 | n3kl | nm |
| 05:32.38 | n3kl | Aparantly, when you install xserver-xorg, it is not really doing all of the dpkg-configure xserver-xorg. Ran the command and everything seems to come up fine |
| 05:32.43 | n3kl | Thanks for the help |
| 05:33.05 | n3kl | Lagbolt: good information about the pastebin from the shell, I am sure I will be using that soon. Thanks. |
| 05:34.30 | Lagbolt | that wasnt me :) but yeah it is cool |
| 05:34.37 | Lagbolt | i think enouf mentioned that |
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| 05:41.23 | aurehman | Hi... how can i install symfony 1.1 on debian.. anybody help me plz |
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| 05:42.58 | craigevil | wtf is symfony? |
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| 05:44.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | Apparently some PHP crap |
| 05:44.34 | iateadonut | how do i make a wav smaller? |
| 05:44.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | uh |
| 05:44.49 | catsup | iateadonut: flac |
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| 05:45.48 | catsup | mmm |
| 05:45.54 | catsup | grilled cheese with catsup and a donut |
| 05:46.07 | iateadonut | and tomato soup. |
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| 05:48.29 | aurehman | symfony is a php extention |
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| 05:49.44 | Cusoon959 | ZOMG. |
| 05:49.46 | Cusoon959 | Finally. |
| 05:49.52 | Cusoon959 | No more Ubuntu... just installed Etch ;) |
| 05:50.03 | Lagbolt | Cusoon959, yay! |
| 05:50.10 | Cusoon959 | hehe |
| 05:50.33 | Cusoon959 | I used to like it... but tbh... the last release is just slow and bloated |
| 05:50.41 | catsup | um |
| 05:50.50 | catsup | sigh |
| 05:50.58 | Livingroom | how can i use apt-get to display all installed packages? |
| 05:50.59 | Cusoon959 | hrm. |
| 05:51.02 | Lagbolt | sup catsup |
| 05:51.30 | catsup | if ubuntu is slow and bloated, that has nothing to do with the ubuntu distribution |
| 05:51.45 | Cusoon959 | I mean after install >_< kept crashing on me damnit |
| 05:51.53 | Cusoon959 | sometimes just slowed down a bunch |
| 05:52.09 | Cobra^^ | Livingroom: try dpkg -l |
| 05:52.22 | Lagbolt | catsup, true true |
| 05:52.34 | Livingroom | SWEET tyvm cobra |
| 05:52.37 | Livingroom | you are DA MAN |
| 05:52.41 | Lagbolt | Livingroom, or dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:53.05 | aurehman | catsup i need to insall symfony 1.1 on debian.. how can i do so? |
| 05:53.15 | Livingroom | wow, the last one has a LOT of output |
| 05:53.21 | catsup | i duno; read the docs |
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| 05:53.55 | Lagbolt | aurehman, http://howto.landure.fr/gnu-linux/debian-4-0-etch-en/install-symfony-on-debian-4-0-etch |
| 05:54.04 | Lagbolt | google :) |
| 05:55.47 | aurehman | Lagbolt: thanx a lot.. let me try this |
| 05:55.52 | iateadonut | thanks for the tip on flac; but, i meant, how do i decrease the quality (size) of a .wav file, and still keep it a wav file? |
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| 05:56.32 | Livingroom | guys |
| 05:56.37 | Livingroom | can i paste about 7 lines in here? |
| 05:56.45 | Lagbolt | lol they will not be happy |
| 05:56.47 | Lagbolt | pastebin dude |
| 05:56.50 | Livingroom | oh yeah |
| 05:56.55 | Livingroom | pastebin *bonks self* |
| 05:57.07 | Lagbolt | mmmmm |
| 05:57.11 | Lagbolt | oh yeah twix are so good |
| 05:57.14 | Lagbolt | havent had one in ages |
| 05:57.17 | Livingroom | http://pastebin.com/d4a83a66d |
| 05:57.22 | Livingroom | what do you guys think about that error |
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| 05:58.10 | Lagbolt | lol it is not installed |
| 05:58.14 | Lagbolt | thats what i think |
| 05:58.20 | catsup | Livingroom: i think you don't know what --get-selections does :) |
| 05:58.29 | iateadonut | or... how can i find which command line utilities a program like audacity uses? |
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| 05:58.32 | Livingroom | well, it's been forever and a day since i used debian :( |
| 05:58.45 | catsup | iateadonut: it probably doesn't use any |
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| 05:58.59 | Lagbolt | Livingroom, if you do dpkg -l | grep rhapsody |
| 05:59.02 | Lagbolt | you will see "rc" |
| 05:59.13 | Lagbolt | it is removed but still configured i believe is the translation |
| 05:59.22 | Lagbolt | you have to "purge" to get rid of it entirly |
| 05:59.33 | Lagbolt | dpkg -P rhapsody-installer |
| 05:59.33 | dpkg | Lagbolt: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 05:59.39 | Lagbolt | lol dorry dpkg :) |
| 06:00.01 | Livingroom | sweet |
| 06:00.02 | Livingroom | got it |
| 06:00.04 | Livingroom | ty! |
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| 06:01.00 | iateadonut | what is the sound equivalent of the command line program "convert"? |
| 06:01.03 | catsup | iateadonut: you could find out if it executing external programs during any given run with strace; to find out everything it might even run, you'd have to do something more elaborate |
| 06:01.28 | catsup | iateadonut: mencoder, maybe |
| 06:01.40 | Lagbolt | iateadonut, sox will convert most audio i believe |
| 06:01.53 | catsup | Lagbolt: no it won't |
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| 06:02.08 | Lagbolt | no? i thought it did |
| 06:02.14 | catsup | Lagbolt: it only handles uncompressed audio |
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| 06:02.24 | catsup | afaik |
| 06:03.13 | catsup | oh, no, not true |
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| 06:04.03 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:04.04 | iateadonut | These appear to be very similar to IFF files, but not the same. They are the native sound file format of Windows. (Obviously, Windows was of such incredible importance to the computer industry that it just had to have its own sound file format.) - that's from the sox manual. |
| 06:04.07 | catsup | it supports mp3 and ogg |
| 06:04.24 | catsup | but not ac3. that's the format in dvds, so it's pretty important... |
| 06:04.27 | Lagbolt | there are sox libs for flac, mp3, ogg, gsm |
| 06:04.35 | Lagbolt | ah yeah no ac3 |
| 06:04.48 | Lagbolt | ffmpeg works great for dvd audio :) |
| 06:05.01 | catsup | mencoder uses ffmpeg |
| 06:05.03 | Lagbolt | sure sox cant do it with ffmpeg lib? |
| 06:05.08 | catsup | no |
| 06:05.15 | catsup | but 'ac3' doesn't occur in its manual page |
| 06:05.23 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 06:06.52 | Lagbolt | sweet this movie "from beyond" has the guy from reanimator in it :) |
| 06:07.00 | catsup | heh |
| 06:07.13 | iateadonut | i think sox will probably do it. i just thought that was kind of funny to have in a man file. |
| 06:07.54 | catsup | iateadonut: what was? |
| 06:08.08 | enouf | sox, yeah |
| 06:09.19 | iateadonut | (Obviously, Windows was of such incredible importance to the computer industry that it just had to have its own sound file format.) - that's from the sox manual. |
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| 06:10.05 | catsup | the strace manual page boasts: "Arguments are printed in symbolic form with a passion." |
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| 06:10.10 | enouf | iateadonut: heh, arecord ;-) |
| 06:10.39 | enouf | iateadonut: man aplay (arecord), see -f option, and look at example section |
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| 06:12.17 | iateadonut | thanks. i thought you wanted to show me something funny in a manual, though, so i'm a little disappointed. |
| 06:12.28 | catsup | heheh |
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| 06:13.22 | catsup | $ apropos fuck |
| 06:13.22 | catsup | fuck: nothing appropriate. |
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| 06:17.39 | aurehman_ | Lagbolt: i tried to install symfony with your provided url.. but unable to install symfony |
| 06:18.06 | Lagbolt | well dont know what to tell ya. i never installed it. google around. did you get error messages? |
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| 06:22.54 | aurehman_ | i googled it... some links found... but 1 of them was 1.0... and i m facing problem in installing with 1.1 |
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| 06:23.35 | aurehman_ | actually all the things gone smoothly but when i check whether symfony installed it said -bash: symfony: command not found |
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| 06:34.36 | phyburn | i can't seem to find apxs on my system, nor any package with apt-get. Anyone know if it's named something diffrent? |
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| 06:35.29 | Kaell | hello, I am relatively new to linux, and am trying to A) set my default browser to iceweasel, and B) get my logitech MX revolution mouse working fully (or at least more) |
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| 06:35.53 | Kaell | i have ran: sudo update-alternatives -config x-www-browser, and selected iceweasel, but it does not seem to have worked |
| 06:36.08 | Kaell | when i double click a saved shortcut on my desktop it opens gnome web browser |
| 06:36.26 | Livingroom | guys |
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| 06:36.45 | Livingroom | why would the system tell me that 192.168.1.2 is not on a local subnet? the machine giving me the message is 192.168.1.12... |
| 06:37.02 | Kaell | because you have your subnet mask set wrong |
| 06:37.09 | Livingroom | 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:37.26 | Livingroom | what should i set it to? |
| 06:37.27 | Kaell | what is "the system"? |
| 06:37.32 | Kaell | to that |
| 06:37.37 | Kaell | then restart networking |
| 06:37.54 | Livingroom | hrmm |
| 06:38.01 | Livingroom | ifdown wlan0 ... is not configured |
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| 06:38.38 | hwdyki | how do i uninstall everything except the base system? |
| 06:38.53 | Livingroom | granted, what i'm doing is tsocks rdesktop, and it's bombing with the error about the subnet blah blah |
| 06:42.09 | Kaell | i have now tried setting Desktop-Prefs-Prefered Apps to Iceweasel, and to Firefox |
| 06:42.12 | streuner | hwdyki: why? |
| 06:42.14 | Kaell | neither of those work either |
| 06:43.42 | hwdyki | streuner: cos i'm lovin it? |
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| 06:45.00 | streuner | dude, we don't waste our time to amuse you |
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| 06:46.24 | streuner | if you don't have a special reason, its pretty senseless |
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| 06:47.11 | catsup | hwdyki: first get a list of all the packages you have installed, then get a list of all the packages in the base system, then subtract the latter from the former, and apt-get remove the result |
| 06:47.18 | hwdyki | i'm trying to clear all the crap that's accumulated and start off a clean state but still retain my existing configs. |
| 06:47.36 | markybob | hwdyki reinstall and backup /etc and /home |
| 06:47.42 | catsup | markybob: NO |
| 06:47.47 | simonrvn | so remove everything not in standard and base ;p |
| 06:48.05 | simonrvn | usual disclaimer applies |
| 06:48.09 | markybob | catsup fuck, you're seriously starting to get on my nerves lately. back off of me |
| 06:48.23 | Guerin | markybob is right |
| 06:48.24 | hwdyki | catsup: how do i determine what's in the base? dpkg doesn't say anything. |
| 06:48.35 | simonrvn | try aptitude |
| 06:48.41 | Guerin | that's the only surefire way of getting a completely clean system |
| 06:48.49 | catsup | markybob: what, really? i don't even remember saying anything to you previously, although i recognize your nick |
| 06:48.58 | Kaell | i say we take off, nuke the thing from orbit |
| 06:49.06 | Kaell | it's the only way to be sure |
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| 06:49.22 | catsup | hwdyki: this question came up recently, nobody had an easy answer... |
| 06:49.26 | Kaell | someone help me set firefox as default browser pelase? :) |
| 06:49.47 | markybob | Kaell depends in what. python for example uses the environment variable $BROWSER |
| 06:49.50 | Kaell | can has weasel? |
| 06:49.57 | Kaell | for desktop shortcuts |
| 06:50.17 | streuner | hwdyki: netinstall-CD has pretty much everything out of essential, just get the list |
| 06:50.48 | catsup | hwdyki: i guess you want to search the apt repo on the Priority field... |
| 06:51.39 | Livingroom | guys |
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| 06:51.45 | Livingroom | http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/faq.php#local |
| 06:51.49 | Livingroom | read that |
| 06:51.58 | Livingroom | and tell me what the @$*#& it means. and you win the internet! |
| 06:52.14 | Livingroom | what is a local subnet statement, for example? i googled, and they did nothing. |
| 06:53.03 | catsup | Livingroom: i'll explain it to you for $100/hr |
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| 06:54.43 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:55.13 | catsup | hwdyki: do you know about 'ara' ? |
| 06:55.39 | streuner | hwdyki: Hint: "Additionally, some packages are marked as Essential since they are absolutely necessary for the proper functioning of the system. The package management tools will refuse to remove these." |
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| 06:56.19 | Livingroom | $100 an hour? ok |
| 06:56.20 | Livingroom | deal |
| 06:56.21 | streuner | well, removing X removes almost everything usually on a system, exept servers |
| 06:56.30 | Livingroom | do you has a paypal? |
| 06:56.49 | catsup | hm |
| 06:56.55 | streuner | that was a joke |
| 06:57.03 | streuner | spend that money to SPI |
| 06:57.13 | Livingroom | SPI? |
| 06:57.19 | catsup | Livingroom: i have an old paypal account that probably still wors |
| 06:57.20 | webPragmatist | AHH wtf my timestamps are gone |
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| 06:57.34 | webPragmatist | fwww |
| 06:57.51 | Livingroom | it absoloutely boggles me how there could be no route to a host thats like, 10 ip's down range |
| 06:58.27 | fireba11 | : Livingroomthat does not necesarily mean it's physically anywhere close |
| 06:58.41 | Livingroom | 's head a splode |
| 06:58.55 | catsup | fireba11: i'd say 'living room' implies fairly close physically, at least if you're at home |
| 06:58.56 | jelly-home | Livingroom: why are you using a proxy to get to a machine (that you think is) on the local network? |
| 06:59.12 | fireba11 | catsup : ow, iddn't get that part |
| 06:59.13 | streuner | Livingroom: http://www.us.debian.org/donations |
| 06:59.15 | webPragmatist | I have a quick question... with IP tables how would it be possible for me to allow only incoming from local addresses on port 22? (like if I wanted to only allow access via VPN) |
| 06:59.53 | streuner | !spi |
| 06:59.53 | dpkg | hmm... spi is Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
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| 07:00.18 | Livingroom | oh ok |
| 07:00.26 | Livingroom | well, here's what i'm doing. |
| 07:00.43 | sep | webPragmatist, yes you could do that, or just change sshd to only listen on 127.0.0.1 ... |
| 07:01.14 | Livingroom | i have an iphone; it is running tiny proxy. my nokia n800 *running debian!* is able to browse teh web through my pseudo-tether'ed internet connection on the iphone. i want other services to be able to use the connection, like wget, etc, and tsocks is supposed to enable that; but, it keeps giving me the error that the socks server is not on the local subnet |
| 07:01.16 | webPragmatist | I didn't make a suggestion :\ |
| 07:01.22 | webPragmatist | nor would that work |
| 07:01.48 | catsup | webPragmatist: route source from your local ips to -j accept with default policy reject, or reversibackwardswise |
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| 07:02.21 | catsup | webPragmatist: i mena for the port 22 |
| 07:02.59 | webPragmatist | I guess what I am trying to do is make it so that the incoming only falls within the subnet 255.255.255.192 ? |
| 07:03.06 | webPragmatist | but I don't know how to do that |
| 07:03.08 | webPragmatist | mask* |
| 07:03.15 | crazyfrog | my /usr/share/man/man2 is almost empty,containing only the intro.2.gz.that is why?have i missed some packages? |
| 07:03.49 | jelly-home | Livingroom: let me repeat the question. WHY are you using the socks proxy to get to a local machine? |
| 07:04.02 | catsup | Livingroom: you have two phones and you want one to be an internet proxy for the other? |
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| 07:04.44 | catsup | Livingroom: ok, well, can you ping the iphone from the nokia phone? |
| 07:05.03 | Livingroom | yes |
| 07:05.23 | Livingroom | and actually the nokia doesnt have a phone- wifi, bt, etc but no cell |
| 07:05.34 | catsup | oh |
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| 07:07.00 | catsup | so you're running socks on the iphone |
| 07:07.04 | catsup | what is producing this error? |
| 07:07.08 | streuner | hm, n800 supports Wifi |
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| 07:08.11 | Livingroom | the n800 |
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| 07:08.38 | catsup | what application on the n800? |
| 07:08.41 | streuner | Maemo is usually used as Linux-distro |
| 07:08.59 | jelly-home | catsup: his misconfigured socks client is producing the error. |
| 07:09.31 | streuner | Livingroom: How did you install Debian? |
| 07:09.36 | jelly-home | Livingroom: you need to tell tsocks that 192.168.1.0/24 really is your local network |
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| 07:10.17 | jelly-home | Livingroom: ... that's pretty much what the faq entry says |
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| 07:10.32 | Livingroom | hmmm |
| 07:10.36 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | When running GTK programs in the debugger, is there anyway to use the debugging libraries instead of the standard libraries? |
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| 07:10.46 | Livingroom | let me check the config file |
| 07:11.21 | streuner | Livingroom: How did you install Debian? |
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| 07:11.40 | Livingroom | ah well |
| 07:11.57 | Livingroom | it's not *truly* debian i suppose, it's maemo which is a sub-debian distro |
| 07:12.02 | Livingroom | it does apt-get, etc |
| 07:12.33 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | the debug libraries are all in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib, would there be any way to change where libraries are temporarily? |
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| 07:13.56 | Livingroom | OH SWEET |
| 07:14.02 | catsup | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 07:14.03 | Livingroom | jelly-home, you are awesome, and i love you |
| 07:14.48 | jelly-home | send pizza to spi. |
| 07:14.49 | streuner | Livingroom: better than love jelly, just donate the money to SPI :-) |
| 07:14.51 | Livingroom | it was in the tsocks.conf file. it had a netmask of 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 07:15.03 | Livingroom | are you saying that donating money to the SPI is better than LOVE JELLY? |
| 07:15.12 | streuner | sure |
| 07:15.15 | jelly-home | pizza! |
| 07:15.18 | Livingroom | because lovejelly is awesome too |
| 07:15.36 | streuner | ok, do both and be happy :-) |
| 07:15.39 | Livingroom | is the spi in trouble? i mean if it's teetering on the brink, i'll go donate, otherwise ... |
| 07:15.40 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | catsup: And how would I change this? |
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| 07:16.26 | catsup | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: it's an environment variable |
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| 07:16.54 | catsup | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: it's just like PATH but for libs |
| 07:17.12 | Livingroom | rats, now i need to install dns on the iphone. |
| 07:17.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | There are already DNSTools for it |
| 07:17.28 | jim | specifically those libs which come in when pieces of them are used |
| 07:17.29 | Livingroom | bah, it is the time of bed |
| 07:17.40 | jim | it' |
| 07:17.40 | Livingroom | may you all have a good night |
| 07:17.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | Livingroom: There are already DNSTools for it |
| 07:17.47 | jim | it's the time of the season |
| 07:17.56 | Livingroom | yeah i know blast i just never installed them |
| 07:18.09 | Livingroom | cant use the ones in the installer, have to use the ones by zibri |
| 07:18.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | ah, wanted to save you the trouble of porting them |
| 07:18.22 | Livingroom | oh, ty :) |
| 07:18.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | yup |
| 07:18.29 | Livingroom | i dont have the darwin toolchains anyway |
| 07:18.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Good night |
| 07:18.40 | Livingroom | nite all |
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| 07:19.06 | Livingroom | i have the sweetest tethering setup ever |
| 07:19.14 | Livingroom | it's so freakin' awesome, i'm going to write up a blog about it. |
| 07:19.22 | Livingroom | i guarantee nobody has ever done this before |
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| 07:20.45 | catsup | Livingroom: do you get unlimited internet on the iphone? |
| 07:21.43 | rati | hey is backport is repository? |
| 07:21.50 | streuner | yes |
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| 07:22.01 | streuner | backports.org you surely mean |
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| 07:22.23 | rati | yes, Can i have repository url of that? |
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| 07:22.50 | streuner | dpkg, maemo is also #maemo (irc.freenode.net) |
| 07:22.50 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 07:23.00 | streuner | !backports |
| 07:23.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 07:23.25 | catsup | the back port is exit only, no repositing |
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| 07:23.58 | streuner | !backports.org |
| 07:23.58 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 07:25.48 | Livingroom | catsup: yeah i get unlimited internet for $20 a month |
| 07:26.53 | Livingroom | anyway nite all |
| 07:27.16 | rati | streuner: Thanks a lot. Can I set proxy in apt, because my internet connection works with proxy |
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| 07:27.52 | streuner | sure, look at apt-proxy or such |
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| 07:28.25 | streuner | oh, wait |
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| 07:36.55 | streuner | rati: look at /usr/doc/apt/examples/ -> configure-index.gz |
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| 07:39.36 | rati | streuner: ok |
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| 07:40.34 | streuner | rait: you need to edit /etc/apt/apt.conf, configure-index.gz has some scripts you have to modify for your needs |
| 07:41.08 | beardy | rati: Also can be set with a environment variable, apparently. http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html |
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| 07:44.04 | rati | streuner: beardy: ok |
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| 07:47.47 | beardy | rati: man 5 apt.conf |
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| 07:49.42 | rati | beardy: ok. looking |
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| 07:51.22 | zorrolero | rati: in /etc/apt/apt.conf: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://$USERNAME:$PASSWORD@$PROXY-SERVER:$PORT"; |
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| 07:53.14 | beardy | zorrolero: Only thing being that /etc/apt/apt.conf.d seems to be used instead.. simillar to the rc.d startupscripts, with a priority. |
| 07:53.20 | yxa | my etch kernel only detected 1gb of ram instead of the 2gb i have. how can I force it to detect? |
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| 07:56.14 | zorrolero | beardy: ah, ok. |
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| 08:00.05 | beardy | yxa: With the "mem" boot argument (add it in your bootloader's config, menu.lst if grub) Example: mem=2000M |
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| 08:18.25 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | How do I remoe a flag I exported? |
| 08:18.33 | ceil420 | do i need nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy for my FX5200? |
| 08:18.40 | slxix | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: umm.. what? |
| 08:18.57 | beardy | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: If you mean an environment variable.. set it to something else. |
| 08:19.02 | Kaell | hmm, i just did that yesterday... |
| 08:19.07 | Kaell | i forget |
| 08:19.14 | Kaell | that doesnt delete it beardy |
| 08:19.15 | dimir | unset |
| 08:19.18 | Kaell | thats it |
| 08:19.30 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | ah thanks dimir |
| 08:19.33 | dimir | np |
| 08:19.45 | slxix | how did you guys get that from that question? :) |
| 08:19.53 | dimir | I couldn't. |
| 08:20.24 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | woops, I meant to say variable, don't know why I said flag |
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| 08:22.13 | Kaell | wasnt that hard... what kinds of things do you use export to set? |
| 08:22.23 | Kaell | how would you remove such a thing from being set? |
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| 08:22.50 | beardy | Kaell: No.. but as he set something, he probably want to set it to what he wants, which makes "deleting" it unnecessary. (Though you are of course right.) |
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| 08:25.29 | slxix | ceil420: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11148 suggests just getting the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 08:26.13 | ceil420 | slxix, so i shouldn't have just done sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx? :x |
| 08:26.33 | slxix | i don't know how to answer that. |
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| 08:26.51 | webPragmatist | how do you get info about a particular PID? |
| 08:26.53 | slxix | personally, i fiddle until things work. then when things break, i learn how i filled wrong. |
| 08:27.04 | slxix | fiddled, even. |
| 08:27.15 | webPragmatist | like the name of it and stuff |
| 08:27.34 | ceil420 | slxix, if nvidia-glx doesn't work, i'll check nvidia.com. thanks o/ |
| 08:27.45 | slxix | webPragmatist: ps auxw ? :) |
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| 08:29.14 | webPragmatist | what does defunct mean? |
| 08:29.19 | slxix | ps -e might be better.. |
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| 08:29.36 | slxix | webPragmatist: man ps and search for defunct |
| 08:30.05 | slxix | they have parent processes which no longer exist and haven't exitted themselves, i think, i think. |
| 08:30.15 | rati | webPragmatist: means you have ended that process but its not stopped. its stopping |
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| 08:32.55 | Sebo | Hi!! Is there any way to run something @tty2 whil working on pts/0?? |
| 08:34.33 | slxix | i'm sure there is. |
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| 08:35.16 | slxix | ttysnoop? :) |
| 08:35.17 | Sebo | slxix: So how can I do it?? |
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| 08:35.42 | slxix | i'm not really sure. |
| 08:35.43 | yxa | from what I see, the default etch kernel does not come with HIGHMEM support. will the kernel parameter mem=2048M work? |
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| 08:36.51 | beardy | yxa: HIGHMEM is only required for >4GB IIRC, just try? |
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| 08:37.27 | slxix | Sebo, how pretty does it have to be? root can just echo blah > /dev/tty2 |
| 08:37.27 | Sebo | slxix: Ok - I'll go this way :) - I need to run ERP console remotely cause the staff has closed it and now they can't run it ;] |
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| 08:38.31 | slxix | what is erp console? :) |
| 08:38.38 | Sebo | I'm root :) ...but the program is interactive and it uses ncurses |
| 08:39.04 | beardy | If it's interactive you'd have to set input from the correct terminal aswell.. |
| 08:39.12 | beardy | But I doubt it is that simple. |
| 08:39.22 | gynterk | sudo? |
| 08:39.27 | Sebo | ERP system - it is some kind of bisness program for menagement the corporation |
| 08:39.39 | cyph3r | protftpd keeps failing to start cause it says it fails to bind on port 21 but it doesn't seem anything is on port 21 |
| 08:40.14 | beardy | Sebo: And yes.. why can't they start it? Why aren't they root if it can only be run by root? |
| 08:40.29 | beardy | And why on earth does it have to be run by root. |
| 08:40.40 | Sebo | And it need to be run as some other user (not by root) |
| 08:40.47 | slxix | beardy: it doesn't have to be run by root. that was my echo abc > /dev/tty2 as root thing. |
| 08:41.12 | beardy | Right, but why can't they start it at the correct tty then? |
| 08:41.14 | Sebo | They are just not to smart tu write one stupid command ;] |
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| 08:41.26 | beardy | Then I hope you are well paid. |
| 08:41.35 | slxix | um. |
| 08:42.10 | Sebo | It is my parents corporation ;] |
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| 08:42.23 | slxix | so edit /etc/inittab to run ERP console instead of getty? :) |
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| 08:43.20 | justin007 | I have been repeatedly getting this while I do a dist-upgrade on lenny. grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/hda2. Check your device.map. |
| 08:43.31 | justin007 | and that is preventing updating the kernel as well. |
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| 08:43.47 | justin007 | I tried installing grub as well as grub2 and grub-pc |
| 08:43.52 | justin007 | but this issue remains. |
| 08:44.00 | beardy | justin007: Instead of just doing what it says? |
| 08:44.19 | justin007 | I checked my device.map |
| 08:44.26 | justin007 | and I don't seem to find a problem with it. |
| 08:44.26 | slxix | or perhaps have getty use ERP console as the login program |
| 08:44.56 | justin007 | device.map has got just a single line (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 08:45.01 | beardy | justin007: Well, grub does, and it's its file, so it's probably right. |
| 08:45.09 | beardy | justin007: And you don't see the error with that? |
| 08:45.51 | justin007 | beardy: there was a debian bug around the time I started seeing this issue mentioning the same issue. but it was closed as fixed in grub2. |
| 08:46.00 | lxsameer | hi. i have etch installed in my pc, and i use kde . when i try to start kbluetoothd i get an error that say it is crash. with any useful message. what is the problem. |
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| 08:46.21 | slxix | ah, yes. agetty parameters -nl /usr/bin/erpconsole will run erpconsole on that tty without logging in. but it will run it as root. |
| 08:46.28 | beardy | justin007: But why aren't you installing it in the MBR, on /dev/hda? |
| 08:46.44 | slxix | so you might want to find a way to drop root privledges.. :P |
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| 08:46.59 | arussel | I am having a weird problem. In .xsession I start dzen with: FG='#a8a3f7' BG='#3f3c6d' xmonad-clock | dzen2 -e '' -x 400 -w 1200 -ta r -fg $FG -bg $BG & |
| 08:47.00 | justin007 | beardy: I thought it was installed on the MBR. |
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| 08:47.31 | slxix | Sebo: does any of that help? |
| 08:47.41 | justin007 | beardy: I just got debian lenny on my laptop. let me install once more and see. |
| 08:47.43 | arussel | but ps aux shows: dzen2 -e -w 400 -ta l -fg #a8a3f7 -bg #3f3c6d |
| 08:48.00 | beardy | justin007: Hmm. Why the /dev/hda2 then, does it complain on it when it checks the rootfs? |
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| 08:48.10 | Sebo | Now I'm trying to do what you've sad :] |
| 08:48.19 | lxsameer | hi. i have etch installed in my pc, and i use kde . when i try to start kbluetoothd i get an error that say it is crash. with any useful message. what is the problem. |
| 08:48.35 | beardy | justin007: Your MBR is on the diskdevice itself, not its second partition. |
| 08:49.01 | justin007 | beardy: how do I check that. when I do grub-install /dev/hda I get the same error. |
| 08:49.18 | beardy | justin007: Why aren't you running stable? |
| 08:49.31 | slxix | Sebo: let me know what you end up changing your getty parameters to, please. :) |
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| 08:49.48 | justin007 | beardy: were running it for ever since it was stable. thought it was time to move to lenny. |
| 08:50.08 | justin007 | beardy: usually I am able to fix things, but not this time around. |
| 08:50.23 | arussel | what program read .xsession ? |
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| 08:51.20 | arussel | does X cache .xsession for users ? |
| 08:51.21 | streuner | !listvals xsession |
| 08:51.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xsession' by value (14): ~xsession ;; xenvironment ;; .xinitrc ;; starting gnome ;; xf4-7 ;; /.xsession ;; choose window manager ;; x problem ;; gdm ;; /.xinitrc ;; xinitrc ;; xsession ;; .xsession ;; reverse mouse. |
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| 08:51.34 | slxix | Sebo: i think you might need to killall -HUP init to get it to change. |
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| 08:51.40 | slxix | but don't quote me on that :P |
| 08:51.40 | streuner | arussel: no |
| 08:51.40 | arussel | streuner: have you any idea about my pb ? |
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| 08:52.09 | arussel | streuner: my .xsession: http://pastebin.com/m58bafd9b |
| 08:52.30 | arussel | streuner: ps aux: http://pastebin.com/m31e380fa |
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| 08:55.16 | Sebo | I've tried # su -c erpconsole erpuser < /dev/tty2 > /dev/tty2 And the console has shown for them but they couldn't interact with it ;] |
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| 08:55.56 | slxix | nono, edit your /etc/inittab |
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| 08:56.11 | ricosecada | I haven't messed around to much with setting up a FQDN other than home use. When I have a server with several domains pointing towards the server, which one should I choose as a QDM? Anyone can do? |
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| 08:57.25 | beardy | justin007: This one? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473340 |
| 08:57.44 | cyph3r | anyone know what port proto-47 usses? |
| 08:57.57 | beardy | justin007: Check the comments on it, maybe you can use a temporary device.map, as it talks about. |
| 08:58.13 | justin007 | beardy: I will check that. |
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| 08:59.08 | Sebo | And is there any way to take a look on what is there at some tty?? |
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| 08:59.39 | slxix | that would be ttysnoop |
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| 09:02.35 | slxix | oh, but you have to set ttysnoop as the login program. nevermind. :) |
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| 09:04.08 | justin007 | beardy: The bug your mentioned is the same I had seem when I had come up with this issue in the first place. my rootfs is on /dev/hda2. maybe thats causing this. I will check more. |
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| 09:04.17 | slxix | sebo, if they are able to login, just change their ~/.bashrc to execute erpconsole. |
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| 09:04.29 | slxix | that would be the cleanest way of doing it. |
| 09:04.47 | beardy | Sebo: linuxvnc may work without relogging in though, but be careful if you have to do it over unsecure networks and so on |
| 09:04.54 | beardy | Have to check that sometime. |
| 09:05.02 | Legality | hey, is it possible to transfer an existing partitions on debian with sw-raid to lvm? |
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| 09:06.18 | barellos | hello |
| 09:06.26 | barellos | is there no gnuplot 4.3 for debian ? |
| 09:06.38 | Sebo | beardy: But as I know vnc can be tunelled through SSH which is secure ;] |
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| 09:09.23 | orveldv | now this is strange, this morning google seems to think that I'm french and all the adds are in french and about hotels ; till now they were in english and about IT :-/ |
| 09:09.26 | justin007 | beardy: allthough I see the same error when i do "grub-probe -t fs /boot" I cannot figure out how to fix in my case. just a single harddisk on a laptop. |
| 09:09.32 | jim | barellos: you're reqesting a specific version... there is (usually) only one version of a package available at a given time... you have options. |
| 09:09.50 | barellos | which are? |
| 09:10.11 | jim | why not look for gnuplot in a debian mirror, and see what's available in the pool |
| 09:10.31 | barellos | why can't apt-get update get me the latest in said pool ? |
| 09:10.53 | jim | while gnuplot has "gnu" in the name, I recall something about it's not being a gnu thing and I don't remember if it's free or non-free |
| 09:11.07 | barellos | ok thanks |
| 09:11.26 | jim | because the latest one may not be built against the libs you have in your version of debian |
| 09:11.35 | jim | but as I said, you have options |
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| 09:12.02 | jim | maybe you'll find a prebuilt one of the version you want at backports.org |
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| 09:12.35 | davoq | Hello |
| 09:12.50 | davoq | <treec> sbin/init :432: Cannot open dev/console: no such file |
| 09:12.50 | davoq | <treec> Kernel panic: attempted to kill init! |
| 09:12.59 | davoq | any idea this error in load one kernel ? |
| 09:13.18 | jim | if not... you may end up having to either port a package and do some "messy" work getting the version you're interested built into a package |
| 09:13.22 | gordboy | orveldv: the CustomiseGoogle firefox extension allows you to set all sorts of otions, including the language. and cookies, click-tracking, safe search etc etc |
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| 09:14.20 | barellos | jim, thanks ! |
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| 09:14.38 | jim | if you're willing to build it yourself and not have it be a debian package, you can do that too; set the prefix to either your home dir, somewhere in your home dir, /usr/local, somewhere in /usr/local |
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| 09:15.33 | jim | (if you build anything yourself you're advised in general to not use places debian has control over (debian could break your custom installation, also possible vise versa) |
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| 09:15.55 | jim | specifically, don't use /usr or /var |
| 09:16.49 | veter | k1 |
| 09:17.05 | jim | to build yourself, you will need to fulfill the build requirements, which should be specified in the docs somewhere (no guarantee where or how easy to find) |
| 09:17.10 | jim | ) |
| 09:17.11 | beardy | (This is of course true for any *nix) |
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| 09:17.31 | orveldv | gordboy: I see ; thanks. I'm using the "evil" Opera on this machine, it seems to eat less resources :-) But I seldom pay attention to the adds, it just surprised me since today they were useless for everyone |
| 09:17.34 | jim | what I'm saying? some of it is |
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| 09:17.44 | jim | some of it only applies to debian |
| 09:18.10 | beardy | Using /usr/local or the home directory is quite universal.. |
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| 09:18.45 | slxix | orveldv: are you going through a proxy of any sort? |
| 09:18.48 | arussel | I have "dzen -e '' -x 400 -w 1200 -ta r -fg #a8a3f7 -bg 3f3c6d &" in .xsession file. |
| 09:19.04 | slxix | go to one of those websites that check your IP and DNS. :) |
| 09:19.13 | jim | that part, sure... not using var, that's somewhat universal, it's not what /var is for |
| 09:19.13 | barellos | apt-cacher question: can i just change from one release to another , in the conf file entries ? is that safe? |
| 09:19.20 | orveldv | slxix: no proxy, no IP change, no anything ; troubles at google I should say |
| 09:19.29 | arussel | If I do "sh .xsession" dzen is not started, I I enter the line in a console then dzen is started. Why ? |
| 09:19.37 | slxix | orveldv: reset your cookies. |
| 09:19.43 | jim | not using /usr, the effect varies depending on the effect of installing various things |
| 09:19.50 | orveldv | slxix: let's see |
| 09:19.59 | jim | I guess it's similar |
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| 09:21.58 | jim | barellos: you mean to get packages from other versions of debian? as Isaid before, those (binary) packages are linked for specific versions of debian, so installing an app from the wrong dist is a bit dangerous... installing a lib from the wrong dist is more dangerous, as is installing something that depends on that lib |
| 09:22.23 | slxix | orveldv: any joy? |
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| 09:22.41 | jim | building them yourself is safer as long as you avoid having it install itself into places where debian packaging is in control |
| 09:22.54 | barellos | jim : how just from etch to another stable release? |
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| 09:24.06 | barellos | wait etch is still the stable version ? |
| 09:24.13 | AcTiVaTe | arussel: .xsession-errors ? |
| 09:24.30 | orveldv | slxix: no adds at all! hooray (and don't ask me why) |
| 09:25.00 | slxix | orveldv: ads? i thought we were working on the french thing? :) |
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| 09:25.36 | arussel | AcTiVaTe: http://pastebin.com/m41a6f6db |
| 09:26.08 | orveldv | slxix: you know those little adds to the right in gmail, while opening an email... those were in french; now they're gone |
| 09:26.23 | arussel | AcTiVaTe: I can't see what char it is unhappy about. |
| 09:26.39 | clarity_ | hey i just installed xen and a dom0, but when i do brctl show xenbr0 it just has the domU's ifaces and not peth0... i can't add peth0 either |
| 09:26.41 | clarity_ | any ideas? |
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| 09:26.54 | slxix | oh, yeah. those. i only notice them when i'm deleting my spam mail. |
| 09:26.57 | AcTiVaTe | arussel: The # perhaps? Can't see any more unusual chars |
| 09:27.00 | barellos | jim: I meant that as a general question about apt-cacher , not for the sake of my earlier question |
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| 09:27.22 | slxix | and i hope that the spam company isn't paying per impression or they're getting screwed. :) |
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| 09:27.57 | Legality | hey, Im reinstalling debian and I was wondering how I could get the LVM activated? |
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| 09:28.08 | Legality | Is there an option in the install software? |
| 09:28.21 | slxix | You enable LVM when you partition your hard drive. |
| 09:28.32 | Legality | ok |
| 09:29.13 | Legality | slxix: is there a clear option for LVM? |
| 09:29.23 | Legality | slxix: is there any problem using sw-raid with LVM? |
| 09:29.32 | orveldv | another thing I noticed about Opera is that flash doesn't work in debian, but since Opera is not supported, I probably shouldn't ask |
| 09:29.43 | Legality | slxix: and sorry about constantly talking to you and asking questions :D |
| 09:29.56 | jim | Legality: yes, you have to make PV partitions first and format them as such... then you have storage for VGs and LVs |
| 09:30.00 | slxix | Legality: i don't know what a clear option is, nor have i ever used sw-raid. :) |
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| 09:30.40 | jim | orveldv: what arch are you runnign |
| 09:30.59 | orveldv | jim: I tried on sarge, etch and lenny |
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| 09:31.17 | jim | that's what version... you running (say) amd64? |
| 09:31.32 | orveldv | jim: nope, plain 386 |
| 09:32.29 | jim | at least that doesn't prevent flash from running (like amd64 would) |
| 09:32.40 | orveldv | I see |
| 09:33.04 | jim | I guess if flash doesn't work in opera, you'd have to use a different browser to use flash |
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| 09:33.25 | orveldv | jim: yep, I switch to iceweasel when I need it |
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| 09:35.47 | DawnLigh1 | hello. problem with knetworkmanager. it gets stuck in 28% after i tell it to connect ath0 to my ap. everything seems to be configured fine to me. anyone knows this problem/can help debug? |
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| 09:37.36 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | How would I actually use the tons of packages with -dbg I installed with GDB in my own apps? |
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| 09:38.05 | DawnLigh1 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: doesn't that have docs? |
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| 09:39.17 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | DawnLight: If it does I can't find any |
| 09:40.08 | jim | one thing you might need, is the (configured) source of each -dbg you want to trace into from your app |
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| 09:41.17 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I'm tempted to just symlink all the libraries to fool it |
| 09:41.22 | jim | I never figured out where to put such sources... I always thought they would need to be placed in the original location they were in when the -dbg package was built |
| 09:41.57 | jim | keep track of your changes so you could reverse that |
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| 09:43.05 | jelly | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: you still having issues with LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 09:43.29 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Doesn't work with the GTK libraries |
| 09:43.44 | jelly | how does it not work? |
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| 09:44.41 | jelly | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: pastebin the output of env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib ldd -v `which your-binary` |
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| 09:46.47 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | jelly: http://rafb.net/p/mlDgab65.html |
| 09:46.49 | jelly | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: there's also LD_PRELOAD to force loading a library; man ld.so |
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| 09:47.29 | Le-Chuck_ITA | Hi there, somebody knows when is xorg.conf regenerated automatically? It seems that mere xorg.conf upgrade does not call dexconf even though xorg.conf was generated by dexconf and not modified |
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| 09:48.08 | jelly | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: doesn't look like _any_ dbg library is being used. Do the -dbg packages you have really contain dynamic libraries? |
| 09:48.11 | slxix | i would hope xorg.conf isn't regenerated automatically. |
| 09:48.31 | slxix | Le-Chuck_ITA: do you mean you want to reconfigure X> |
| 09:48.46 | arussel | why "echo "dzen2 -e '' -x 400 -w 1200 -ta r -fg '#a8a3f7' -bg '#3f3c6d' " > t && sh t " starts dzen but |
| 09:48.46 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | jelly: I got them from Debian's Repositories |
| 09:48.54 | Le-Chuck_ITA | slxix: I want it to be reconfigured by upgrades to xorg.conf since I want to provide a patch to dexconf |
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| 09:49.02 | arussel | "echo "dzen2 -e '' -x 400 -w 1200 -ta r -fg '#a8a3f7' -bg '#3f3c6d' &" > t && sh t " doesn't ? |
| 09:49.14 | TapoutT | aptitude search mysql-server <-- shows 'c' for status, anyone know what it means? I don't see it in the man page |
| 09:49.28 | jelly | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: that's not what I'm asking. Is there a, for example, libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib? |
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| 09:50.01 | slxix | Le-Chuck_ITA: hm. i don't know. |
| 09:50.09 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | jelly: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.9 |
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| 09:51.01 | Le-Chuck_ITA | in general when is a package reconfigured? |
| 09:51.04 | Le-Chuck_ITA | on upgrade I mean |
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| 09:52.36 | locus | hi, I'd like to install a package on stable which is only available on unstable so far (it's not on backports.org as well). Can I just take the source deb for unstable and compile it on stable? Or what's the prefered way to do this? Thanks |
| 09:52.59 | lxsameer | i have a question about revresioning |
| 09:53.25 | themill | !tell locus about ssb |
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| 09:53.58 | TapoutT | !tell tapoutt about aptitude status column |
| 09:54.19 | slxix | you just msg dpkg :) |
| 09:54.25 | locus | themill, thanks for the info's |
| 09:54.34 | themill | locus: no worries |
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| 09:54.58 | themill | TapoutT: this is documented in the aptitude-doc package. c means the package was deleted but its configuration files remain on the system, |
| 09:55.17 | themill | TapoutT: i.e. you haven't purged the package, only removed it. |
| 09:55.32 | TapoutT | ahh i see, ya i didn't purge i only removed |
| 09:55.42 | TapoutT | my debian came with mysql 5.0.32 .. i wanted the backports version |
| 09:55.58 | TapoutT | i guess I should have done purge+ ... -t etch-backports install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 09:56.32 | themill | TapoutT: removing first isn't required; aptitude -t etch-backports install mysql-server-5.0 should be sufficient. |
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| 09:56.58 | TapoutT | themill, i wanted to make sure it upgraded all the tables properly and stuff ;) .. i guess that's taken care of already |
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| 09:58.40 | aurehman | Hi... when i make any source.. it said .... -bash: make: command not found |
| 09:58.45 | aurehman | how can i solve this problem |
| 09:59.32 | themill | !isntallit |
| 09:59.38 | themill | fail |
| 09:59.39 | themill | !installit |
| 09:59.39 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 09:59.58 | themill | aurehman: actually, you probably want to aptitude install build-essential |
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| 10:00.12 | TapoutT | thanks themill |
| 10:00.22 | themill | TapoutT: no worries :) |
| 10:00.32 | TapoutT | you're doing god's work |
| 10:00.36 | TapoutT | he loves you |
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| 10:02.03 | aurehman | themill: thanx for your help |
| 10:02.07 | themill | np |
| 10:03.32 | Deetz | Can anyone recommend a shop offering VPS hosting and debian installs? |
| 10:04.31 | slxix | sure. do i get 10% ? :) |
| 10:04.45 | Deetz | 10% of what tho :p |
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| 10:04.52 | beardy | Yes, just tell me what "VPS" is and pay up. |
| 10:04.55 | Deetz | 10% of the amount of my goodwill for the day |
| 10:04.56 | Deetz | haha |
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| 10:05.06 | Deetz | virtual private server, so someone offereing virtualized servers |
| 10:05.07 | o2T7 | holas |
| 10:05.30 | slxix | i'll offer a VPS from my laptop. garaunteed 80% dowtime. :) |
| 10:05.36 | slxix | downtime, even. |
| 10:05.38 | Deetz | haha |
| 10:05.44 | Deetz | What kind of link will you offer me? |
| 10:05.46 | beardy | Ah. Why is the P necessary.. Well, I'd like to. |
| 10:05.47 | Deetz | 14.4? |
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| 10:06.05 | masus | hi, need to read serial port on debian etch can anybody give me an startpoint howto ? Thanks |
| 10:06.16 | slxix | It depends on where I am at the time. |
| 10:06.25 | Superbartt | www.google.com - the starting point of all questions :P (no i can't really help you) |
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| 10:06.36 | masus | Superbartt: :) |
| 10:06.37 | themill | beardy: it's to differentiate it from shared hosting; it's not just a virtualhost in the apache sense but a virtual machine. |
| 10:06.44 | kgod | masus: make sure you'vre got a serial port. Should be /dev/ttyS{0,1,2} |
| 10:06.57 | masus | kgod: im listening |
| 10:07.05 | beardy | themill: I still don't see the P.. a virtual machine is most of the time quite private. |
| 10:07.24 | kgod | masus: either cat it directly or use something like minicom or screen (which can read from arbitrary ptys). |
| 10:07.32 | beardy | themill: Anyway, that's how I understood it, yes. |
| 10:07.34 | masus | kgod: thats all ? |
| 10:07.43 | kgod | masus: I don't think there's a driver. There is for parallel. |
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| 10:07.49 | kgod | masus: Yeah. Pretty bog-simple stuff. |
| 10:08.07 | themill | beardy: but if you called it a virtual server people would just think it's still an apache virtual host. It's just there for emphasis, I guess. Also often called Virtual Dedicated Server. |
| 10:08.10 | masus | kgod: thank u very much |
| 10:08.19 | beardy | themill: Woould they really? |
| 10:08.25 | beardy | I know people are stupid.. |
| 10:08.25 | kgod | masus: In the old days you could test serial mice by plugging them in and doing 'cat /dev/ttyS0' while wiggling the mouse. |
| 10:08.36 | themill | beardy: we're talking about the $5/month market here... brains are optional. |
| 10:09.02 | masus | kgod: i understand . Thanks |
| 10:11.47 | jelly | kgod: serial driver is bulit in debian's kernels |
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| 10:14.32 | Deetz | I'm not chasing the $5/month hosting |
| 10:14.57 | Deetz | So if anyone had any recommendations other than slixix's hosting I'm all ears |
| 10:15.00 | slxix | silly vending machine. i put in 200, bought a drink for 110, and i got 100 yen back. |
| 10:15.06 | masus | kgod: do you know how to detect on which serial port is an device attached ? |
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| 10:18.59 | slxix | masus: i'd just try and use it. |
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| 10:20.28 | slxix | what device do you have that still uses the serial port? :) |
| 10:20.28 | iw | The hard drive on my system is reading and writing very slowly, and it is causing major slowups on my desktop. I did an `hdparm -tT` and its "buffered disk reads" are only 5.82 MB/sec, which is about 10 times slower than my other hard drive. I checked all the parameters - DMA is on, UDMA5 is on, and it seems most of the other advanced features are on. I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.25.2 as well. is this a sign my hard drive is dying? |
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| 10:20.28 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 10:20.48 | slxix | hello |
| 10:21.15 | masus | slxix: in the moment i dont hava attached no device but still after 3 hours i ll get an device that get data from an "ice machine :)" |
| 10:21.45 | uzbek | i'd like to install OpenOffice 3 beta version (yes, im aware of risks:). i have downloaded deb's. i have no idea how to install it. can i do dpkg -i *.deb? |
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| 10:22.44 | slxix | masus: oh, neat. i would wait for the ice machine to arrive and play with it then. |
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| 10:23.29 | masus | :) |
| 10:24.16 | slxix | masus: kgod suggested minicom. i'd go with that. |
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| 10:25.47 | masus | ok give me some tricks on minicom |
| 10:26.54 | battlemidget | uzbek: yes |
| 10:27.36 | masus | slxix: i need only the incoming data from the device and put it into one database |
| 10:27.42 | slxix | oh. |
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| 10:29.07 | uzbek | battlemidget, thanx! |
| 10:29.48 | the-dude | uzbek: just start with dpkg -i and wait for dependancy's |
| 10:30.30 | uzbek | the-dude, ok, thanx :) |
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| 10:30.34 | klad | I installed glipper, but when i try to add it in my panel, it wont appear. And after the next reboot, panel stop showing any icons in panel... |
| 10:30.40 | slxix | masus: can you program in perl? |
| 10:30.57 | masus | i have to see, maybe |
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| 10:31.18 | slxix | http://aplawrence.com/Unix/logger.htm was my first google result that looked decent. |
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| 10:31.44 | masus | 12:08 < kgod> masus: make sure you'vre got a serial port. Should be /dev/ttyS{0,1,2} |
| 10:31.47 | masus | 12:08 < masus> kgod: im listening |
| 10:31.51 | masus | 12:08 < beardy> themill: I still don't see the P.. a virtual machine is most of the time quite private. |
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| 10:32.09 | jorge_ | hi |
| 10:33.05 | masus | slxix: great that is what i need |
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| 10:34.27 | slxix | you've been empowered. :) |
| 10:34.43 | masus | :) |
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| 10:36.58 | slxix | make sure you register icemakerlogfile.com and have a realtime feed of the output. |
| 10:37.28 | masus | give me your contact details pls :) |
| 10:38.06 | slxix | no, just have an RSS feed and register it with one of those services. :) |
| 10:38.18 | masus | :) |
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| 10:39.29 | peleg | I am using mailx to read mail; I am trying to delete a message using "d 34" (to delete message number 34). I the help of mailx, there is this line: "d [message list] delete message(s).". well, after d 34, and d 15, and so on, I exit mailx, enter again, and see there all the messages that I TRIED to delete. what am I doing wrong? |
| 10:40.51 | slxix | peleg, how do you exit mailx? |
| 10:40.54 | masus | perl is like php |
| 10:40.56 | peleg | q |
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| 10:41.33 | peleg | slxix: actually, after quitting I get: "mailx: Cannot create lockfile /var/mail/peleg.lock: Error creating temporary lockfile" |
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| 10:41.59 | slxix | peleg: do you have ideas as to why that is? |
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| 10:42.14 | peleg | slxix: no. |
| 10:42.35 | peleg | weird: drwxrwsr-x 2 root man 1024 2008-05-08 07:38 mail |
| 10:43.30 | slxix | change the group to mail instead of man? |
| 10:43.47 | peleg | slxix: trying now :-) |
| 10:44.57 | peleg | now it works. |
| 10:45.17 | slxix | you can thank nezroy from http://forum.slicehost.com/comments.php?DiscussionID=775. and google. :) |
| 10:45.41 | peleg | slxix: weird thing it was owned by "man" group... |
| 10:45.51 | slxix | peleg: sounds like a mail man joke. :P |
| 10:46.23 | peleg | :-) - thanks! |
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| 10:48.29 | jim | that's the lock file for what user? |
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| 10:49.36 | userlol | Hey is it possible to tunnel traffic (vnc in particular) through ssh on port 80? wihtout disrupting web browsing? |
| 10:49.45 | slxix | peleg: you're not the only person who's had that problem. |
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| 10:49.51 | TapoutT | so if you've got 16GB of ram and linux has the files cached, is there a way to monitor how fast it's fetching from it? vmstat 1 .. doesn't show any blocks in/out .. I wanna watch to see how fast it's going |
| 10:49.57 | dam85 | hello eveybody |
| 10:50.06 | slxix | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/141346 |
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| 10:50.44 | dam85 | is this the official Debian chan? |
| 10:50.45 | masus | slxix: can i execute the logger.pl file anywher ? |
| 10:50.46 | dam85 | :) |
| 10:51.32 | slxix | masus, you need to make a lot of changes to logger.pl and if you've done that, you should know the answer. :) |
| 10:51.37 | Ivan_Shi | dam85: yes |
| 10:51.51 | slxix | i would suspect yes. |
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| 10:53.13 | dam85 | wow :P |
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| 10:53.25 | masus | slxix: i have made the changes chmod the file to 755 and make the other changes , but when i execute the file there is nothing no output |
| 10:53.43 | masus | i have wrote to the first line print "hello world"; and nothing |
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| 10:55.15 | slxix | masus: i don't know about that. but all your output should be going to a logfile, and you won't have any until you plug something into that port. |
| 10:55.31 | masus | oh :) ok 2 hours later |
| 10:56.09 | slxix | then you can "tail -f the_log_file" and watch. |
| 10:56.38 | jim | masus: if you want instant support, get a bag of cement... just add water... |
| 10:57.01 | masus | cement ? |
| 10:57.08 | masus | one mom i'll see the translate |
| 10:57.43 | slxix | jim: where did you get that one? :) |
| 10:57.51 | jim | mind. |
| 10:58.18 | masus | jim: i dont understand what u mean |
| 10:58.24 | masus | jim: can u explain ? |
| 10:58.35 | jim | oh, ok... |
| 10:59.13 | jim | were you mentioning the "2 hours later" because someone replied to your question 2 hours after you asked it? |
| 10:59.42 | masus | jim: nooo |
| 10:59.44 | dam85 | are there any problems about xorg? (reconfigure)...because when i do the reconfigure i can't set the resolution i want |
| 10:59.51 | masus | jim: i get the device 2 hours later |
| 11:00.02 | jim | oh, you figured it out? |
| 11:00.02 | masus | jim: so i can test it 2 hours later |
| 11:00.31 | jim | you mean you don't have the thing you want to connect yet? |
| 11:00.43 | slxix | masus will get the device in 2 hours |
| 11:00.53 | jim | oh, ok |
| 11:00.55 | dam85 | ? |
| 11:01.01 | jim | * |
| 11:01.12 | slxix | masus, what is your native language? |
| 11:01.25 | jim | cobol |
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| 11:01.51 | masus | slxix: Turkish , German |
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| 11:02.29 | jim | hmm, it's possible we can find for you a german or turkish speaker |
| 11:02.41 | masus | wow |
| 11:02.45 | masus | realy :) |
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| 11:03.03 | jim | well for one thing there is #debian-de |
| 11:03.10 | fireba11 | also i could translate |
| 11:03.11 | jim | !de |
| 11:03.12 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 11:03.31 | jim | or fireball has also offered help |
| 11:03.46 | masus | very nice |
| 11:04.04 | jengelh | I cannot find cp437.uni _anywhere_ in debian (even packages.debian.org says nothing about it)-- where could it be? In suse it's in /usr/share/kbd/unimaps/cp437.uni |
| 11:04.48 | masus | !tr |
| 11:04.48 | dpkg | well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 11:05.00 | masus | :P |
| 11:06.29 | dam85 | please help me |
| 11:06.56 | slxix | i've been getting a lot of practice listenning to people who know english as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. |
| 11:07.02 | slxix | being a foreigner in japan. :P |
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| 11:07.41 | slxix | it'll be fun when i can speak broken japanese to them. :) |
| 11:07.48 | TapoutT | should hillary drop out so it clears the way for McCain to the whitehouse? :) |
| 11:07.48 | masus | :) |
| 11:08.30 | smax | I made a mistake in fstab file. Root filesystem mounted as readonly. How I can remount it without wrong option as rw? |
| 11:08.44 | smax | debian etch 4.0 |
| 11:09.15 | liable | mount -o remount rw / |
| 11:09.24 | dam85 | ?? |
| 11:10.17 | slxix | TapoutT: I think hillary dropping out would help Obama. |
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| 11:11.09 | slxix | although McCain has a clever campaign. |
| 11:11.14 | TapoutT | slxix, I'm canadian.. I've travelled through the southern states.. there is *no way* a black man will be in teh whitehouse. It's the 'gay' movement for the republicans.. I bet you 10,000 .. 1 to 1 today.. |
| 11:11.25 | TapoutT | it's more of his skin color than mccain anything :) |
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| 11:12.03 | TapoutT | this whole idea that he brings change and stuff is a gimic to put clinton out and guarantee republicans |
| 11:12.04 | TapoutT | :) |
| 11:12.08 | jim | dam85 : why can't you set your resolution? |
| 11:12.35 | TapoutT | slxix, I hope i'm wrong.. I swear I do but ... if clinton goes.. there goes democrats in the whitehouse , watch :) |
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| 11:13.24 | slxix | TapoutT: we'll probably just have a really low voter turnout. ;) |
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| 11:13.42 | jim | TapoutT: just out of curiousity... is there a clinton or a white house built into a debian package distributed from the debian archives? |
| 11:13.42 | TapoutT | ya for democrats lol |
| 11:13.44 | TapoutT | watch :) |
| 11:14.17 | TapoutT | i'd love to see a democrat in the house.. |
| 11:14.19 | TapoutT | jim, lemme check |
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| 11:14.35 | dam85 | jim: i don't know, i'm passed from etch to sid....... when i so reconfigure i can set...keyboard, mouse....i don't see monitor, resolution |
| 11:14.37 | dam85 | why? |
| 11:14.44 | dam85 | *so |
| 11:14.47 | dam85 | *do |
| 11:14.47 | dam85 | :) |
| 11:14.56 | slxix | what are the presidential candidates stance on free software? :P~~ |
| 11:15.16 | jim | I think they want to tax it |
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| 11:15.52 | TapoutT | good, tax it and pay off the debt to the private corporation .. 'federal reserve' .. and yes jim, your'e correct.. wrong channel to be chatting this in I guess |
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| 11:16.14 | TapoutT | I've always wondered why 'federal reserve' doesn't have to go by 'federal reserve,inc' or ... 'llc' or whatever |
| 11:16.14 | dam85 | jim: what can i do? |
| 11:16.23 | TapoutT | but yes Jim, i'll shaddup |
| 11:16.26 | dam85 | jim: is a xorg bug ? |
| 11:16.33 | jim | well I personally don't care what channel you do it in... I have the choice to /ignore if I want to |
| 11:16.41 | slxix | TapoutT: 'specially since you're a canadian. O:) |
| 11:16.53 | TapoutT | slxix, I make american money... the USD = peso |
| 11:17.08 | TapoutT | so my curiosity and interest is fair ;) |
| 11:17.46 | slxix | Peso? That's to the south, not to the north? |
| 11:18.15 | TapoutT | slxix, the american dollar is in the crapper |
| 11:18.17 | Legality | damn my lower jaw is numb |
| 11:18.23 | TapoutT | Legality, dentist? |
| 11:18.31 | TapoutT | or did you get knocked out by the wife |
| 11:19.12 | Legality | TapoutT: lower jaw surgery to fix overbite |
| 11:19.15 | TapoutT | slxix, clinton years... 1.45-1.58 .. lately .. .92-1.03 .. sucks :( |
| 11:19.21 | slxix | it's slowly been getting better this week. |
| 11:19.31 | TapoutT | Legality, nasty |
| 11:19.56 | slxix | TapoutT: i've been comparing the dollar to yen a lot lately. |
| 11:20.30 | TapoutT | slxix, and another thing that bothers me .. .. the 'Amero' ... I routinely hear it on the radio, and it's not mentioned in the US at all. The whole idea that in a year and a half, when I go into the banka nd they hand me back Amero's instead of a CND dollar is gonna make me upset |
| 11:20.36 | TapoutT | slxix, how is it? |
| 11:20.38 | TapoutT | good/bad? |
| 11:20.45 | themill | !ot |
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| 11:20.45 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 11:21.08 | TapoutT | themill, ah ok.. Jim kinda said it was ok .. :) JIM you dirty devil you |
| 11:21.20 | bogo | I've got 0 10,22 * * * /root/script.sh will that crontab entry execute script.sh every day at 10 am and 10 pm ? |
| 11:21.23 | jim | please reread. |
| 11:21.41 | jim | carefully this time :P |
| 11:21.46 | TapoutT | I know jim, I'm just joking around |
| 11:21.49 | TapoutT | i'm bored outta my mind |
| 11:21.52 | TapoutT | it's 5:21 am |
| 11:21.58 | TapoutT | nobody is up, 'cept you crazies |
| 11:22.08 | slxix | it's 8:21 pm :P |
| 11:22.15 | TapoutT | slxix, what country? |
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| 11:22.26 | TapoutT | japan, hey lets go to the casino :) |
| 11:23.34 | slxix | i'm going to 711. bbiab. :P |
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| 11:23.41 | TapoutT | :) |
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| 11:24.22 | liable | do they still seel litre cans of beer in vending machines in .jp? |
| 11:24.32 | liable | s/seel/sell/ |
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| 11:24.51 | TapoutT | wow, that would have been great when I was a kid :) |
| 11:25.20 | ricosecada | I have apache2 installed but would like to have ssl also, which package do I install? I tried installing the libapache-mod-ssl, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 11:25.36 | liable | did you enable the module? |
| 11:25.38 | slxix | liable: yes 300 yen |
| 11:25.43 | liable | and edit your conf |
| 11:25.46 | liable | slxix: sweet |
| 11:25.59 | liable | how much is that in .au? |
| 11:26.01 | fireba11 | ricosecada: you don't need a package. you just have to configure it and provide certificates |
| 11:26.10 | slxix | ~$3 .. ? |
| 11:26.14 | slxix | US :P |
| 11:26.15 | liable | awsome |
| 11:26.50 | ricosecada | fireball, ah thanks.. I guess I forgot the firewall also :-) |
| 11:26.54 | TromBoeZoe | Hi. I have a ASUS A7N8X-X-EAYZ Motherboard, and Debian Etch installed. Since 2 days i have been unable to boot, the Machine boots up as normal.... but i have no Graphics, I have tried several GraphicCards PCI and AGP but nothing seems to work. |
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| 11:27.30 | meff | sounds like your hardware TromBoeZoe |
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| 11:29.13 | meff | TromBoeZoe: try clearing cmos, and if no luck replace the mobo |
| 11:29.38 | TromBoeZoe | meff, mobo ? |
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| 11:29.45 | meff | motherboard |
| 11:29.48 | TromBoeZoe | motherboard ;) |
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| 11:30.38 | ricosecada | fireball, do you know what needs to be setup other than listen on p? 443? |
| 11:30.55 | meff | apache ssl? |
| 11:31.05 | TromBoeZoe | meff, will do try ;D hopefully see ja then with the ASUS ;D |
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| 11:31.38 | DawnLigh1 | hello. problem with knetworkmanager. it gets stuck in 28% after i tell it to connect ath0 to my ap. everything seems to be configured fine to me. anyone knows this problem/can help debug? |
| 11:31.53 | meff | hrm |
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| 11:32.05 | meff | try in cmdline so you can look for errors |
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| 11:32.24 | DawnLigh1 | it doesn't stay attached to the terminal |
| 11:32.42 | meff | anything in your logs |
| 11:32.43 | place | DawnLigh1: Is there any related output in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 11:32.49 | meff | heh |
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| 11:33.43 | peleg | is there a command to add an emblem to a directory in gnome? (from terminal) |
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| 11:33.57 | meff | people use those? :) |
| 11:34.23 | peleg | meff: well, not until now! but it might be useful for one of the scripts I write now |
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| 11:35.29 | meff | well, my google-fu showed up nothing but gui ways |
| 11:35.41 | peleg | meff: yes, tried that as well... |
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| 11:35.53 | peleg | still, I'm quite sure there is a terminal way |
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| 11:36.07 | meff | i'd say there probably isnt is a safe guess.. but then again, i dont use them :) |
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| 11:36.20 | meff | how does gnome store the emblem status? |
| 11:36.28 | meff | if its plain file or dotfile or whatnot.. |
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| 11:37.18 | peleg | meff: I am not sure. trying to find out now |
| 11:37.25 | meff | good place to start :) |
| 11:37.36 | meff | figure that out and you can probably hack up a function to do it. |
| 11:38.03 | BubbaT | How can I get NetFilter to log all the "DROPPED" packets? |
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| 11:38.25 | meff | you using iptables or a firewall BubbaT ? |
| 11:38.59 | BubbaT | Meff, For now I am using firestarter, but I want to replace it with iptables. |
| 11:39.14 | meff | *nods* have you looked at shorewall or firehol? |
| 11:39.20 | meff | raw iptables is pretty daunting |
| 11:39.21 | TapoutT | ahh.. got a new server with : 2934 root 15 0 1307m 87m 13m S 0 0.5 0:08.30 java <-- java wtf |
| 11:39.37 | meff | haha |
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| 11:39.47 | meff | TapoutT: sad. |
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| 11:39.59 | Legality | buuhaa |
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| 11:40.24 | Legality | java is evolving on its own! SOON IT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD! |
| 11:40.29 | meff | lol |
| 11:40.33 | Legality | it's already a process |
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| 11:40.57 | meff | java is scary |
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| 11:41.12 | slxix | this bean sushi is scary |
| 11:41.21 | meff | azureus takes up more ram than any app im using right now :/ |
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| 11:41.26 | arctanx | bean sushi? ever had bean tea? _That_ stuff is crazy |
| 11:41.27 | meff | need to put rtorrent back |
| 11:41.34 | BubbaT | I looked briefly at shorewall and thought that the extra effort to learn iptables might be better. |
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| 11:41.46 | Legality | is there a release for utorrent linux? |
| 11:41.47 | DawnLigh1 | place: http://pastebin.ca/1011605. trying to make sense of it myself |
| 11:41.51 | arctanx | Legality: nope |
| 11:41.54 | arctanx | BubbaT: yep |
| 11:41.59 | BubbaT | Say meff are you mef on KGS? |
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| 11:42.01 | Legality | utorrent rules |
| 11:42.13 | DawnLigh1 | Legality: rtorrent is my choice |
| 11:42.15 | arctanx | Legality: yeah, try ktorrent if you want something similar for nix |
| 11:42.24 | arctanx | which doesn't bloat like azureus |
| 11:42.34 | arctanx | mldonkey's rather convenient too, though a different style |
| 11:42.39 | defrysk | try transmission if you like gnome |
| 11:42.39 | meff | BubbaT: better in what way? ;) i mean.. shorewall is pretty nifty but if you need ultimately fine graned control, then i understand.. you might wanna take a look at firehol also. for the raw cmds, i dont know :/ |
| 11:42.53 | Legality | azureus requires a freaking 3d-card to work |
| 11:42.55 | arctanx | mldonkey if you're one of those people who doesn't use X :P |
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| 11:43.16 | liable | normally highlights are are different colour for me. |
| 11:43.16 | meff | transmission's lack of options reminds me of osx apps :P |
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| 11:43.29 | liable | bleh |
| 11:43.35 | defrysk | transmission has all the options i need ;0 |
| 11:43.46 | arctanx | meff: My experience with shorewall was that you spend all your time wondering why you're setting up your interfaces and so on in a convoluted way, just so it can go and plug the stuff into iptables |
| 11:43.48 | TapoutT | is there a way to see why java is running? is it required for something that I'm unaware of? |
| 11:43.49 | BubbaT | Other then a frontend for "programming" iptables/NetFilter do firewalls add anything? |
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| 11:44.21 | meff | arctanx: yeah, shorewall is really for large setups. however, i have used firehol in the past and its pretty easy to craft up something for a single firewall or desktop and such. |
| 11:44.27 | Legality | oo MAMA! My chicken wings are almost ready! |
| 11:44.48 | arctanx | meff: mm I can understand why something slightly more high level might be needed then |
| 11:45.08 | slxix | TapoutT: ps --ppid # maybe |
| 11:45.27 | meff | arctanx: yeah, writing out thousands of iptables lines for a company firewall would be hell (and hell to maintain) |
| 11:45.56 | meff | shorewall also plays nice with custom iptables lines ran at teh end of its initialization |
| 11:46.16 | DJF5 | you should make a gui around it... like php that reads the rules, and you can easily edit them and write them back |
| 11:46.16 | meff | firehol is more light-weight if shorewall seems to bloat |
| 11:46.28 | liable | hah |
| 11:46.34 | place | DawnLigh1: whoa that's alot of output.. nothing familiar (errors I've solved) jumps out |
| 11:46.49 | arctanx | DJF5: webmin more or less does that :P |
| 11:46.56 | DJF5 | true |
| 11:46.57 | meff | pukes on webmin |
| 11:47.00 | slxix | just adding the rules yourself is more rewarding for a single user system. :) |
| 11:47.06 | meff | slxix: hehe |
| 11:47.15 | TapoutT | slxix, nothing listed.. weird that they've got java setup to run on startup |
| 11:47.15 | arctanx | yeah I'm not recommending webmin. Just saying it's been done :P |
| 11:47.26 | liable | and done badly |
| 11:47.40 | meff | how hard is it to edit conf files? i mean.. jeeze. |
| 11:47.57 | meff | learn vim, and you're good to go .. if you can follow directions and read :P |
| 11:47.57 | slxix | TapoutT: removes the overhead time it takes to start it when they need it. cool.... |
| 11:47.57 | arctanx | if they're small, yeah |
| 11:48.07 | liable | meff: very hard if you like clicky goodness |
| 11:48.25 | TapoutT | slxix, i'm gonna get rid of it :) |
| 11:48.30 | TapoutT | just gotta find out where it's starting up from |
| 11:48.37 | meff | liable: one of the reason i love linux/gnu/x over windows.. terminals! |
| 11:48.37 | arctanx | now that's something I always wondered. Is there a more secure way to reconfigure your firewall than flush the lot and reprogram it? There is the possibility, though remote, that something could get in while you're mid-programmed |
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| 11:48.43 | meff | keyboard always wins out over mouse |
| 11:48.47 | byte_slave | hello all! |
| 11:49.03 | TapoutT | slxix, i just got a 16GB raid+10 beast .. i don't want java on it :) |
| 11:49.05 | slxix | arctanx: add a rule to drop all packets, then remove the rest. :) |
| 11:49.10 | liable | !be a config barbie |
| 11:49.10 | dpkg | Aww, config is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 11:49.16 | meff | arctanx: well, most firewall apps flush it then insert temp rules to drop all, then flush and rerun again |
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| 11:49.48 | arctanx | meff: I don't see how that helps. Won't you be back to square one after the second flush? |
| 11:49.52 | byte_slave | i've a auto partitioned disk made by etch installation and i need to attach another new one to have it only for storage. how should i format it? |
| 11:50.06 | arctanx | slxix: makes sense if you set drop policy then add exceptions, which I presume is what you mean :) |
| 11:50.10 | meff | arctanx: iirc one chain stays on that drops all pkts |
| 11:50.22 | slxix | byte_slave: you can do it any way you would like. |
| 11:50.30 | arctanx | meff: hmmk. *sighs* must read the iptables book. someday. |
| 11:50.32 | liable | byte_slave: will it only be for linux? ext3 is sensible unless you have a real need for another file system |
| 11:50.41 | DawnLigh1 | debian has never gave me such an error before. help? http://pastebin.ca/1011609 |
| 11:51.19 | meff | arctanx: or you could peek at shorewall's internals.. it has a few engines to compile the iptables rules, sh and perl and one other one i think |
| 11:51.43 | meff | firehol is written in sh also |
| 11:51.43 | byte_slave | the idea is to have a disk new formated to backup my windows files via smb |
| 11:51.45 | arctanx | meff: yeah that's the other way to do it |
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| 11:52.00 | meff | arctanx: i seem to enjoy diving in other than reading books ;) |
| 11:52.13 | liable | DawnLigh1: hmm, are you out of space in / ? |
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| 11:52.20 | ricosecada | Where is the apache2-ssl-certificate? |
| 11:52.21 | slxix | arctanx: i haven't actually touched ipchains since the transition period from iptables.. |
| 11:52.28 | meff | stupid ATT. pastebin isnt loading. |
| 11:52.34 | liable | DawnLigh1: or is it ro for some reason? |
| 11:52.40 | arctanx | slxix: Um, are you saying iptables is deprecated? |
| 11:52.41 | slxix | or the opposite way. *shrug* :) |
| 11:52.43 | meff | ricosecada: i generate one and put it in /etc/apache2/ssl |
| 11:52.45 | byte_slave | i'm more confused about abou if just one primary partition or if no primary and just 1 extended. |
| 11:52.46 | arctanx | Yeah thought so :P |
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| 11:53.00 | slxix | long live ipchains. :) |
| 11:53.10 | liable | its dead already |
| 11:53.12 | meff | ricosecada: make sure to chmod 600 the dir too |
| 11:53.32 | ricosecada | meff, I mean where is the script called apache2-ssl-certificate? As I can see it doesn't come with apache2 on etch. |
| 11:53.39 | meff | huh? |
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| 11:53.45 | meff | i just use openssl binary |
| 11:54.03 | meff | google for "debian apache2 ssl commands" or whatnot |
| 11:54.07 | DawnLigh1 | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1011613 |
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| 11:54.31 | BubbaT | arctanx, what do you mwea by the iptables book? |
| 11:54.33 | slxix | DawnLigh1: have you seen any other problems other than this one? |
| 11:54.56 | ricosecada | meff, I created one using openssl, but got this error in my apache2 log: Init: Unable to read server certificate from file /etc/ssl/private/apache.pem |
| 11:54.59 | arctanx | BubbaT: They have this crazily big manual thing explaining its ins and outs |
| 11:55.11 | ricosecada | meff, and also: SSL Library Error: 218529960 error:0D0680A8:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_CHECK_TLEN:wrong tag |
| 11:55.20 | ricosecada | meff, any experience in what this might be? |
| 11:55.22 | meff | ricosecada: try this http://slacksite.com/apache/certificate.php |
| 11:55.24 | DawnLigh1 | slxix: never in my debian experience, actually. i've installed debian in this thinkpad some two days ago |
| 11:55.29 | meff | ricosecada: it has worked for me in etch. |
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| 11:55.35 | byte_slave | liable, the idea is to have a disk new formated to backup my windows files via smb |
| 11:55.36 | BubbaT | The one by Oskar ANdressean? |
| 11:55.50 | byte_slave | liable,i'm more confused about abou if just one primary partition or if no primary and just 1 extended. |
| 11:55.57 | liable | DawnLigh1: k, looks like a problem in your fontconfig cache, whetever the fuck that is. borken package i guess |
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| 11:56.20 | meff | ricosecada: what you want is the self signed cert |
| 11:56.30 | ricosecada | meff, thanks! |
| 11:56.33 | meff | yep |
| 11:57.18 | meff | just used that a few days ago on my server cuz i can never remember the openssl cmd args :P |
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| 11:58.06 | meff | yawns |
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| 11:58.19 | slxix | DawnLigh1: find /usr/share/fonts /usr/local/share/fonts /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d -type d -print0 | xargs ânull touch |
| 11:58.58 | meff | what will touching the font dirs do? |
| 11:59.05 | meff | just updates the date.. |
| 11:59.15 | BubbaT | Anyway, back to my question, how can I get NetFilter to log dropped packets? |
| 11:59.26 | slxix | meff: ask google. i did. :) |
| 11:59.34 | slxix | http://soniahamilton.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/usrsharefonts-failed-to-write-cache/ |
| 11:59.39 | meff | ah |
| 12:00.04 | meff | BubbaT: google is your friend, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=iptables+log+dropped+packets&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 12:00.21 | DawnLigh1 | slxix: i don't know what you're trying to do. "xargs: ânull: No such file or directory" |
| 12:00.42 | slxix | me neither. hold on. |
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| 12:01.07 | meff | BubbaT: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2007-10/msg02013.html |
| 12:01.10 | liable | anyone know if the ar5007 tarball compiles against .25? |
| 12:01.37 | liable | fucking hell, i always do that. ECHAN |
| 12:02.28 | meff | throws random desk items at wife in bed to wake her up ;) |
| 12:02.52 | slxix | DawnLigh1: find /usr/share/fonts /usr/local/share/fonts /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d -type d -print0 | xargs â0 touch |
| 12:02.59 | slxix | be sure you have xargs installed, too? |
| 12:03.04 | DawnLigh1 | i do |
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| 12:03.13 | DawnLigh1 | what should this do? |
| 12:03.23 | meff | updates access dates on the font dirs |
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| 12:03.37 | jelly | slxix: find and xargs are in the same findutils package |
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| 12:05.33 | slxix | DawnLigh1: find will list all the font files. xargs -0 touch will run the touch command on all the files. |
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| 12:06.06 | DawnLigh1 | slxix: it doesn't fix it; same error |
| 12:08.10 | Cyorxamp | Lo, If I tar a dir with files A, B, and C in it... would it store them in that order or would it be C, B, and A ? |
| 12:08.16 | Cyorxamp | just after a little confirmation, google isn't talking - I put a gun to its head... still nothing |
| 12:09.03 | slxix | DawnLigh1: run fc-cache |
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| 12:09.31 | slxix | this was my google search: "failed to write cache" fontconfig |
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| 12:10.35 | BubbaT | Thanks all. |
| 12:11.30 | DawnLigh1 | slxix: http://pastebin.ca/1011631 |
| 12:11.34 | slxix | DawnLigh1: "Simply touching the directories where fc-cache refuses to write its |
| 12:11.51 | slxix | ack. bad paste. :) |
| 12:11.56 | moshii | Are there any cluster filesystems that are workable over the internet.. ocfs and gfs seem to be for clusters in the same room :/ |
| 12:12.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | How would one go about disabling items in init.d from starting? |
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| 12:12.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | s/from starting// |
| 12:12.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm a bit tired |
| 12:12.37 | slxix | Blast_Hardcheese: which runlevel? go to /etc/rc#.d and read the README file. |
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| 12:12.51 | meff | Blast_Hardcheese: if you wanna do it hackish (and temporarly), chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatnot |
| 12:13.01 | meff | otherwise you can do it the proper way :P |
| 12:13.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | hmm, don't want to do that |
| 12:13.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Proper is good |
| 12:13.07 | slxix | DawnLigh1: the fix says to touch those directories. |
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| 12:13.15 | slxix | Blast_Hardcheese: the README tells you how. :) |
| 12:13.38 | meff | Blast_Hardcheese: check if it uses a /etc/default/appname config.. for daemons that use it you can disable it there most likely |
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| 12:13.51 | meff | and slxix's way :) |
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| 12:14.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | slxix: The reame actually says very little about the purpose or usage, surprisingly. |
| 12:14.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm in rc6.d |
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| 12:14.33 | netsrot | Hi, I just updated kernel using aptitude doing u U g g g and now it doesn't route the network saying, does not start network superserver and something about /etc/network not being used any more? |
| 12:14.36 | DawnLigh1 | slxix: wow, thanks. touching them did solve it. blessed be |
| 12:14.53 | slxix | DawnLigh1: thank google. :) |
| 12:15.20 | slxix | and debian-bugs. |
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| 12:15.37 | netsrot | and it's refering to README.debian network base, where is that? |
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| 12:16.29 | slxix | find /* -name "README.debian network base" |
| 12:16.45 | slxix | well, maybe / instead of /* :) |
| 12:17.18 | netsrot | I'm using debian 4.0 without X just running as a router. |
| 12:17.49 | sChaaa | hola |
| 12:18.21 | slxix | netsrot: can you find out what changed? |
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| 12:18.46 | netsrot | slxix: not sure how. |
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| 12:19.20 | slxix | where did you see those error msgs? from aptitude? |
| 12:19.31 | netsrot | slxix: I was just doing an update and then it told me to reboot so I did and now it doesn't route. |
| 12:19.43 | netsrot | slxix: during boot |
| 12:20.19 | slxix | can you select the previous kernel and see if that works? |
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| 12:20.27 | netsrot | slxix: and it's complaining about modules already loaded. |
| 12:21.16 | netsrot | slxix: no, the kernel update was to the same version but with different modules it said so it's only one option in grub menu. |
| 12:21.27 | Legality | Hey, I need to get some unpartitioned LVM space, how can I get my VolGroup00-LogVol01 smaller? |
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| 12:21.59 | slxix | netsrot: that confuses me. |
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| 12:23.01 | netsrot | slxix: me too, as I was only doing a normal u U g g g in aptitude. |
| 12:23.02 | meff | Legality: well you can resize the lvm yes, but after that its up to your filesystem utilities to resize the filesystem on that lvm |
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| 12:24.11 | Legality | meff: basicly a software that I use needs unpartitioned LVM space and I need to free some of that |
| 12:24.18 | meff | ah |
| 12:24.39 | slxix | netsrot: adding kernel modules doesn't require a new kernel. |
| 12:24.43 | Legality | I have / LVM volume that uses all the space, how can I get that smaller :? |
| 12:25.06 | meff | shrink the fs, then use the lvm tools to resize the lvm |
| 12:25.10 | netsrot | slxix: yes but as I said, I was only trying to update, and the update changed the kernel automaticaly. |
| 12:25.41 | slxix | you said it didn't change the kernel, though. :) |
| 12:25.59 | netsrot | slxix: yes, I don't know why it did. |
| 12:26.09 | netsrot | slxix: as it's the same version |
| 12:26.35 | slxix | i think there's a deeper issue. |
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| 12:26.57 | slxix | anything else fishy happen with your system? |
| 12:26.58 | Legality | meff? |
| 12:27.40 | slxix | you said inetd wasn't starting.. |
| 12:28.28 | netsrot | slxix: I think it's because /etc/network/options is deprecated. |
| 12:29.38 | slxix | netsrot: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12038 |
| 12:29.44 | netsrot | ok, thank you. |
| 12:30.41 | slxix | for what? you know the problem all along. :) |
| 12:30.48 | slxix | s/know/knew |
| 12:32.01 | netsrot | slxix: no I just recently found the README.debian so didn't know before. |
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| 12:32.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ctrl is ^v, right? |
| 12:32.23 | slxix | Blast_Hardcheese: sometimes. :) |
| 12:32.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | excellent. |
| 12:32.36 | rwaite | is away: Working |
| 12:32.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | sometimes. |
| 12:33.04 | slxix | it's kind of odd to define CTRL and CTRL-V :) |
| 12:33.16 | slxix | argh. words. s/and/as/ |
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| 12:34.04 | Agiofws | apt-cache search nvu ? |
| 12:34.10 | Agiofws | what package am i looking for ? |
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| 12:34.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm trying to do a screen -X stuff, but control characters are being dropped |
| 12:34.32 | bijur | hello all :) |
| 12:34.48 | bijur | maybe there are too overcontrolling |
| 12:34.58 | bijur | no one likes overcontrolling beings |
| 12:34.59 | bijur | u know |
| 12:35.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | Precisely. Thank you for your input. |
| 12:35.26 | bijur | hehe :D u r welcome any day |
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| 12:35.32 | bijur | sorry abt being an asshole though :) |
| 12:35.50 | slxix | Blast_Hardcheese: are you familiar with screen? |
| 12:35.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | You're not an asshole, you just can't spell very well |
| 12:36.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | slxix: Yessir |
| 12:36.38 | abrotman | like your punctuation is anything to brag about :) |
| 12:36.46 | slxix | what does screen -X do? :) |
| 12:36.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | Sends a command |
| 12:36.57 | slxix | i don't quite grasp it from the man page. |
| 12:37.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Punctuation, smunctuation ;) |
| 12:39.17 | slxix | is ^V not working? |
| 12:39.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | Well, control is not working. |
| 12:39.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm trying to quit rtorrent with a stuff script, |
| 12:39.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | The normal way to quit rtorrent is a Ctrl+A,Q |
| 12:40.37 | slxix | try Ctrl-A A,Q |
| 12:41.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's the thing, Ctrl doesn't work. Unless I'm aiming for a ^A |
| 12:41.47 | slxix | your control key is broken? |
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| 12:42.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | -X stuff '^Vaq' |
| 12:42.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | (^V being the character) |
| 12:42.42 | slxix | do you need to use -X? can't you just go to it and type CTRL-A A Q? :) |
| 12:42.43 | abrotman | would you actually want to send the key code? |
| 12:42.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Trying to do it from a shutdown script |
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| 12:43.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | rtorrent doesn't like being kill'd |
| 12:43.26 | slxix | oh. |
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| 12:43.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah, that did it |
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| 12:44.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | I was going about it the wrong way |
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| 12:44.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | ^Aq was to sidestep around screen's key grabbing, |
| 12:44.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | All I needed to send was a ^q |
| 12:45.04 | netsrot | how do I make a bookmark in lynx? |
| 12:45.16 | DawnLigh2 | hello. what can i use as a GUI for network interface administration in a laptop? i've tried knetworkmanager and kwlan and they both give me problems while i follow the documentation carefully |
| 12:45.29 | slxix | Blast_Hardcheese: does kill -2 rtorrentpid shut it down gracefully? |
| 12:45.45 | slxix | a webpage told me it does. |
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| 12:46.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | slxix: hmm. |
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| 12:46.34 | slxix | although screen -X is pretty neat. :) |
| 12:46.58 | defrysk | uses top to kill processes |
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| 12:48.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | slxix: I use screen -X to throttle rtorrent with cron, works wonderfully :D |
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| 12:48.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | brb |
| 12:49.35 | slxix | defrysk: what if you want to send a signal other than the kill signal? |
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| 12:51.08 | slxix | oh, nevermind. |
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| 12:54.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | slxix: No, kill -2 does nothing, kill -3 kills it immediately |
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| 12:54.59 | slxix | you know, i don't remember their being more than 15 signals. |
| 12:55.24 | slxix | kill -l has a list of 64 ! |
| 12:55.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | brb, cereal |
| 12:55.49 | sandman | Is there anything significant to note between Linux VServer and UML? I'm deciding as to which I'll try next |
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| 12:56.00 | sandman | It's either that or Xen, I suppose. |
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| 12:56.18 | slxix | or more computers? :) |
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| 13:03.21 | slxix | good night all |
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| 13:08.02 | netsrot | internet superserver not started, no services found, what does that mean? |
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| 13:08.18 | tingle | hello, i got a intel core 2 duo in my laptop what iso should i download i368 or amd64? |
| 13:08.45 | joltcan | tingle: intel != amd, go for the i386 |
| 13:09.02 | rwaite | um, c2d can support amd64 |
| 13:09.17 | rwaite | it's just called amd64 because amd spearheaded it |
| 13:09.18 | tingle | joltcan: are you sure because everyone is telling me something else :) |
| 13:09.36 | joltcan | tingle: Trust the others! |
| 13:09.43 | tingle | rwaite: so amd64? |
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| 13:09.48 | mistiipu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.48 | rwaite | tingle: 64 bit is harder w/drivers, i personally would go w/i386 |
| 13:09.53 | rwaite | but it's your call |
| 13:10.03 | tingle | hm oke but will 64 bit be faster at the end? |
| 13:10.27 | rwaite | -very- marginally faster, it allows for more memory and more efficient pipelining |
| 13:11.02 | rwaite | for a desktop system the i386 should perform fine up until 4gb of ram |
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| 13:11.14 | rwaite | then you get into bigmem kernels, etc |
| 13:11.31 | tingle | ok i understand :) thanks rwaite and joltcan |
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| 13:11.58 | joltcan | 64bit would actually be slower as memory pointers would be bigger |
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| 13:12.24 | rwaite | that might be true |
| 13:12.34 | joltcan | but the pipeliing part maybe fast, but that depends on the program. There are usually no point in going 64bit on a desktop/laptop |
| 13:12.40 | mistiipu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.50 | rwaite | but as i understand it when a c2d is in emt64 mode, there are like 8 additional registers |
| 13:12.53 | joltcan | If you have a huge db, well, go with 64 if you need to allocate the mem |
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| 13:13.07 | rwaite | which would certainly help |
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| 13:13.20 | joltcan | more isn't always faster |
| 13:13.42 | rwaite | which is why i said marginally :) |
| 13:14.21 | BubbaT | Oh man something weird has happened. |
| 13:14.30 | joltcan | But hey, your milage may vary. It is very hard to ballpark numbers for laptop anyway, so many different components that might influence performance |
| 13:14.55 | fireba11 | mistiipu : that's a ubuntu tutorial and you are in #debian. either you are in the wrong channel or you used the wrong tutorial, though it might work too |
| 13:14.56 | rwaite | yeah, and i agree, no need for 64 bit on a desktop system yet |
| 13:15.01 | BubbaT | I replaced an old OmniView with a new OmniCube which seems to work without attaching the power supply. |
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| 13:15.51 | mistiipu | fireba11 ubuntu / debian . same |
| 13:16.37 | fireba11 | mistiipu : not. go to #ubuntu |
| 13:16.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | mistiipu, no their not. perhaps try debian-administration if your running debian and looking for guides |
| 13:16.57 | mistiipu | ok |
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| 13:19.25 | abrotman | why don't people just use ipmasq ? |
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| 13:19.49 | jelly | use what? |
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| 13:28.32 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:28.32 | dpkg | <bart_> seanius, only 4 people at #C++ <seanius> try another network then <bart_> network? <bart_> IRC is the biggest isn't it? |
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| 13:29.10 | kdub432 | i need help compiling a new kernel for etch, no matter what i do i get a kernel panic, although i have the drivers for my hdd working right... |
| 13:29.14 | rwaite | rofl |
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| 13:29.36 | SlayerXP | kdub432: what's special about your hardware that means you need to compile your own kernel> |
| 13:29.37 | SlayerXP | ? |
| 13:30.07 | kdub432 | SlayerXP: the debian etch kernel has a bug with gdb that makes it unusable |
| 13:31.03 | kdub432 | even a new deb package with a new kernel in it for etch somewhere would be fine... |
| 13:31.35 | Maulkin | GDB works for me. |
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| 13:32.18 | liable | kernel makes gdb unusable? |
| 13:32.23 | kdub432 | Maulkin: everything i run gets 'Failed to read a valid object file image from memory.', and ive been told its a kernel bug |
| 13:32.29 | liable | that seems a bit strange |
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| 13:33.22 | kdub432 | liable: not really, i mean gdb is stopping a running process and accessing its memory locations, seems like the kernel would be involved |
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| 13:33.55 | liable | point |
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| 13:34.27 | kdub432 | point is though, i need a way to get a new kernel on my etch machine, anyone know how? |
| 13:34.39 | Blinny | What do I need to /msg dpkg to get info on building .debs |
| 13:34.55 | hoxu | !tell kdub432 about bpo |
| 13:35.02 | hoxu | !tell kdub432 about kernel-package |
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| 13:35.21 | hellues | hey |
| 13:35.27 | defrysk | this might be useful http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 13:35.39 | hellues | how do imaker kernel logo |
| 13:35.50 | hellues | how do i make kernel logo in c |
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| 13:36.00 | liable | kdub432: you can generally just install kernels from lenny/sid though recently installing source has dependancy problems |
| 13:36.23 | liable | bit just the image should work ok. |
| 13:36.32 | liable | s/bit/but/ |
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| 13:39.45 | hellues | how can i writee a kernel module in c ? |
| 13:39.58 | hellues | do you suggest a tutorial ? |
| 13:40.49 | liable | hellues: http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ |
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| 13:41.32 | kdub432 | hellues: the only thing you can write a kernel module in is c... |
| 13:42.05 | hellues | yeah i know i wonna write a simple kernel module and i wonna compile |
| 13:42.12 | hellues | for example kernel logo |
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| 13:42.57 | hellues | actually i have to write a simple thing for kernel and i have to compile this is my project |
| 13:43.11 | hellues | this is wrong channel to ask this :D |
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| 13:43.23 | rwaite | or asm |
| 13:43.49 | kdub432 | in the free book, linux device drivers, the first chapter has a hello world module |
| 13:44.28 | hellues | i download this book |
| 13:44.54 | hellues | are there information for writing on my own kernel module ? |
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| 13:46.18 | badcfe | i just edited resolv.conf -- now how do i refresh the resolver? |
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| 13:46.43 | badcfe | the search domain is not updated according to my resolv.conf -- how do i do this? |
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| 13:48.50 | dbmoodb | how come we don't have apparmor available for lenny ..? |
| 13:48.52 | dbmoodb | !apparmor |
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| 13:49.26 | liable | !why is apparmor not in testing? |
| 13:49.26 | dpkg | apparmor is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=apparmor |
| 13:49.58 | dbmoodb | ok so ... |
| 13:50.11 | dbmoodb | that doesn't go anywhere |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | you mean the host is down |
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| 13:51.03 | liable | typo, whats the real name |
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| 13:51.25 | dbmoodb | no the host is up |
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| 13:51.33 | dbmoodb | why would it be down ? |
| 13:51.40 | liable | no, the name of the package... |
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| 13:51.48 | dbmoodb | oh apparmour * ? |
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| 13:52.10 | dbmoodb | AppArmor --- is how it is spelt i believe |
| 13:52.27 | dbmoodb | AppArmor ("Application Armor") is security software for Linux, released under the GNU -- from wiki |
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| 13:53.28 | [apo] | *searches for a real debian non ubuntu distro* Any suggestions? |
| 13:53.35 | themill | !dbugs 440680 |
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| 13:53.38 | dpkg | #440680:W[wnpp] ITP: apparmor -- application security framework; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:12:01 UTC |
| 13:53.46 | [apo] | !debian distro |
| 13:53.46 | themill | [apo]: umm... you mean debian? |
| 13:53.56 | dbmoodb | [apo]: yes stop trolling and use etch |
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| 13:54.19 | [apo] | what is etch? |
| 13:54.22 | dbmoodb | if you want something more up to date try lenny, if you don't like lenny try something else perahps .. |
| 13:54.30 | rhineheart_m | hi! Is there a way to set a home directory for a user that even he will be using winscp he couldn't explore to other folders outside his home dir? |
| 13:54.30 | dbmoodb | !tell [apo] about etch |
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| 13:54.45 | defrysk | for desktop lenny is nice |
| 13:54.53 | themill | !nickometer [apo] |
| 13:54.54 | dpkg | '[apo]' is 10.000% lame, themill |
| 13:55.00 | themill | only 10%?... |
| 13:55.09 | rwaite | uses lenny as his ws at work |
| 13:55.16 | dbmoodb | yes rhineheart_m --- there is chroot or other ways i think you can just specify it in the openssh configuration ? |
| 13:55.16 | [apo] | This is my first visit to debian |
| 13:55.20 | defrysk | uses sid @ home |
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| 13:55.26 | Cusoon959 | http://pastebin.com/m2b418662 |
| 13:55.32 | dbmoodb | oh ok [apo] can i ask why --- debian were you on ubuntu |
| 13:55.32 | Cusoon959 | Trying to install Cairo Dock... |
| 13:55.46 | Cusoon959 | My system is up to date, how do I get the newer packages? |
| 13:55.47 | liable | themill: you nasty prick. dude is new and you lart him.. think of his children! |
| 13:55.55 | rwaite | is back (gone 01:23:19) |
| 13:56.04 | liable | they will be scarred for life.. |
| 13:56.09 | liable | rhineheart_m: we dont care |
| 13:56.09 | [apo] | I have a ubuntu web server but the guys told me that real debian guys hate ubuntu so now I am looking for a real debian. |
| 13:56.17 | liable | rwaite: we dont care |
| 13:56.22 | liable | rhineheart_m: sorry |
| 13:56.34 | [apo] | I have tuff skin no worries... |
| 13:56.48 | [apo] | so lenny and 1 hear old debian |
| 13:56.48 | stew | many of the real debian debian guys have been hired by cannonical |
| 13:56.50 | themill | Cusoon959: That .deb is not designed for etch. Where is it from? |
| 13:56.52 | dbmoodb | oh well this is "real" debian, no one hates ubuntu -- it just doesn't always work -- not always stable not for every application --- debian etch / stable is what a lot of people use |
| 13:56.52 | [apo] | er year... |
| 13:56.59 | defrysk | no one "hates " Ubuntu |
| 13:57.18 | dbmoodb | stew: not enough -- hardy is terrible compared with lenny |
| 13:57.20 | rhineheart_m | liable, dbmoodb can you suggest a better method to do it? |
| 13:57.29 | [apo] | I will look up lenny then... |
| 13:57.33 | dbmoodb | .... ah yeah the openssh configuration files should allow it |
| 13:57.34 | [apo] | does apt-get work right in lenny... |
| 13:57.35 | defrysk | ubuntu is dumbed down bloat |
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| 13:57.46 | dbmoodb | [apo]: debian is the god of apt |
| 13:57.49 | dbmoodb | ~apt |
| 13:57.49 | apt | [apt] not as cool as jbot |
| 13:58.09 | dbmoodb | !apt |
| 13:58.09 | dpkg | apt is probably Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 13:58.23 | Cusoon959 | themill, https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=8724... |
| 13:58.33 | defrysk | likes aptitude |
| 13:58.33 | [apo] | I used apt-get to make this site ttusaonline.com |
| 13:58.36 | [apo] | its smart |
| 13:58.40 | stew | heh, apt is mostly developed by cannonical employees |
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| 13:59.15 | dbmoodb | stew: yeah ubuntu is the new testing |
| 13:59.16 | [apo] | cannonical is mostly ubuntu right? |
| 13:59.36 | fugit | rhineheart_m: I use scponly chroot jail |
| 13:59.39 | dbmoodb | ... yes [apo] cannoical is ubuntu -- the company that provides support for it at large |
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| 14:00.03 | rhineheart_m | fugit, really? hope you could give me a hint how to do it? |
| 14:00.04 | dbmoodb | rhineheart_m: if the use only needs one dir ... what is the problem with a jail ? |
| 14:00.06 | themill | Cusoon959: well... it sounds like you need to ask the cairo-dock developers then; that .deb cannot be installed on an etch machine. It must be either designed for ubuntu or for lenny/sid. |
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| 14:00.13 | Cusoon959 | ahh I see |
| 14:00.13 | Cusoon959 | okay |
| 14:00.14 | Cusoon959 | thanks |
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| 14:00.48 | liable | stew: really? debains apt? |
| 14:00.50 | rhineheart_m | fugit, dbmoodb, are the two of you suggesting scponly chroot jail? |
| 14:00.55 | mot__ | anybody know of any GUI-based tape drive backup/recovery software for linux? |
| 14:01.11 | mot__ | preferably something that will let me back up to AND recover from tape |
| 14:01.14 | dbmoodb | rhineheart_m: it is a good option -- there are others |
| 14:01.38 | jelly | mot__: does it have to be free? |
| 14:01.43 | fugit | rhineheart_m: don't have time but this has some good starting info http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 14:01.45 | mot__ | yes. |
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| 14:02.01 | fugit | rhineheart_m: there are always more options this is the one I just happened to choose GL |
| 14:02.04 | fireba11 | mot__: bacula got some interfaces available |
| 14:02.49 | rhineheart_m | thank you guys for helping me with this.. I appreciate you all :) |
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| 14:03.03 | stew | liable: yeah, most of the recent (last couple of years) contributions happens to have come from people employed by cannonical. (at least the last time i looked) |
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| 14:04.01 | dbmoodb | but debian isn't ubuntu |
| 14:04.24 | dbmoodb | to turn on selinux -- do i just install the package ? |
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| 14:09.53 | mot__ | hm, how can i figure out which devices in debian my tape drive mapped to? |
| 14:10.16 | dbmoodb | .... mount ? |
| 14:10.27 | dbmoodb | or ls -la |grep /dev/tape ? |
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| 14:10.47 | mot__ | well nothing mounted to /dev/tape |
| 14:10.49 | mot__ | that's the thing |
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| 14:11.17 | SyL | I'm having issues with sysctl and init.d/network, is there someone in here that can help with that? |
| 14:12.05 | SyL | I need to add 4 kernel arp lines in sysctl.conf, but 2 of them are related to eth0 which doesn't exist when it's booting |
| 14:13.30 | jelly | mot__: "mounted"? |
| 14:14.22 | mot__ | ? |
| 14:14.47 | abrotman | don't mount tapes |
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| 14:15.24 | jelly | mot__: tape drives cannot be mounted. What are you looking for? |
| 14:15.46 | mot__ | dunno, the path to my tape drive. |
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| 14:16.40 | roxazer | if i reboot my computer i have to run "dhclient" to get the network running, how can i do so the network starting auto? |
| 14:16.50 | jelly | mot__: ah. /dev/nst? for non-rewinding, and /dev/st? for rewinding device entries. man st |
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| 14:17.45 | mot__ | i guess i have to put a tape in first huh? |
| 14:17.52 | jelly | mot__: no. |
| 14:17.55 | _bernie | is this the right channel for semi-newbie questions about aptitude? |
| 14:18.18 | dbmoodb | _bernie: what kind ? |
| 14:18.21 | dbmoodb | ~aptitude |
| 14:18.22 | apt | rumour has it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 14:18.28 | jelly | _bernie: ask and see what happens |
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| 14:19.19 | joltcan | The channel might blow up |
| 14:19.26 | chops | roxazer: The right way to configure that is in /etc/network/interfaces; if you pastebin that file and explain a few more details of your interfaces I can tell you if you should make any changes to it |
| 14:19.31 | _bernie | jelly: kickban :) |
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| 14:19.55 | jelly | !tell _bernie -about ask |
| 14:20.02 | joltcan | SyL: add them to a "up" clause in /etc/network/interfaces for lo |
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| 14:20.07 | _bernie | Q: I need to downgrade a bunch of related packages from unstable to lenny... what's the abracadabra to do that? |
| 14:20.25 | Cusoon959 | How do I make Nautilus open everything in one window? Currently it opens everything in a new Window |
| 14:21.13 | jelly | _bernie: aptitude install foo/lenny libfoo1/lenny foo-plugins/lenny |
| 14:21.17 | roxazer | chops: http://pastebin.com/d1b54f571 |
| 14:21.30 | roxazer | ask for questions, i dont know what to say about it |
| 14:21.37 | _bernie | Specifically, I installed Sugar (the OLPC desktop) on unstable, then realized it's the wrong version with the alpha UI, and I'd like to replace it with Sugar in lenny which should work fine. |
| 14:21.45 | defrysk | Cusoon959, edit > preferences > behaviour |
| 14:22.00 | defrysk | tic always open in browser windows |
| 14:22.05 | Cusoon959 | Thansk! |
| 14:22.07 | chops | roxazer: You don't have your eth0 interface configured to use DHCP; if it's using DHCP, you should specify that in /etc/network/interfaces instead of running dhclient by hand |
| 14:22.10 | Cusoon959 | Thanks!* |
| 14:22.21 | defrysk | wuor wklome |
| 14:22.22 | Cusoon959 | works now :) |
| 14:22.23 | Cusoon959 | lol |
| 14:22.39 | jelly | _bernie: that's untested, however. what works for me is to look at the versions available using "apt-cache policy foo", and do aptitude install foo=version-from-lenny, then answer no to aptitude's questions until it offers to downgrade the stuff |
| 14:22.45 | chops | roxazer: So change "iface eth0 inet static" to "iface eth0 dhcp" and remove the following three lines specifying address, netmask, and gateway |
| 14:22.57 | roxazer | chops: its that i want an static IP, i dont want it to change all the time |
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| 14:23.08 | roxazer | i use it as server, thats why |
| 14:23.28 | chops | roxazer: And yet you want DHCP? |
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| 14:23.53 | roxazer | chops: i dont know really, it is up 24/7 and it just change IP if i restart it right? |
| 14:23.53 | chops | roxazer: Wait, this interface definition is wrong. You have a gateway that isn't in your subnet. That's not going to work. |
| 14:23.56 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to unzip rar file? |
| 14:24.06 | defrysk | apt-get install unrar |
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| 14:24.12 | roxazer | rhineheart_m: aptitude install unrar |
| 14:24.12 | idimmu | unrar x file.rar |
| 14:24.13 | joltcan | rhineheart_m: unrar! |
| 14:24.16 | kdub432 | hoxu: that suggestino for using the unsupported repo for upgrading my kernel worked, thanks |
| 14:24.23 | chops | roxazer: Better to use DHCP and something like dyndns if you'd like to run a server |
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| 14:24.36 | jelly | rhineheart_m: install rar or unrar from non-free |
| 14:24.47 | roxazer | chops: im using dyndns, but i have to change the IP if it is wrong |
| 14:24.53 | chops | roxazer: Just defining a static IP address and ignoring the DHCP server is going to cause problems sooner or later if you're supposed to be using DHCP |
| 14:25.02 | rhineheart_m | roxazer, got this: No candidate version found for unrar |
| 14:25.19 | _bernie | jelly: I just realized it's the same broken version in lenny too. but thanks for the tip. |
| 14:25.26 | jelly | !tell rhineheart_m -about non-free |
| 14:25.29 | chops | roxazer: So you should set up a script to reset the IP in dyndns whenever yours changes (there should be examples on the dyndns site) |
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| 14:25.58 | jelly | _bernie: you can try and pick older versions from /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:26.05 | roxazer | chops: okey, but when does it change IP? when im loosing my connection or when the computer reboots? |
| 14:26.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a linux tool to burn .daa files ? |
| 14:26.31 | chops | roxazer: A DHCP address can change at any time, theoretically. In practice it generally stays the same even across most reboots. |
| 14:26.32 | roxazer | rhineheart_m: poweriso |
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| 14:26.51 | rhineheart_m | I'm in a server.. |
| 14:27.15 | roxazer | chops: couse i want dhcp, but i want to have the same IP. it doesnt matter if it changes on reboot |
| 14:27.40 | roxazer | how should the onfig file for interfaces look like? |
| 14:27.43 | roxazer | config |
| 14:27.54 | chops | (10:22:33 AM) chops: roxazer: So change "iface eth0 inet static" to "iface eth0 dhcp" and remove the following three lines specifying address, netmask, and gateway |
| 14:28.14 | chops | roxazer: Er, sorry, it's "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 14:28.28 | Cusoon959 | http://pastebin.com/m401782e4 << can anyone help me out with this? kiba-dock errors out when compiling |
| 14:28.43 | roxazer | chops: ty, i will look at dyndns for the scripts |
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| 14:31.12 | Cusoon959 | Damn gotta go... |
| 14:31.13 | Cusoon959 | bye |
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| 14:32.46 | roxazer | chops: where should i look so i dont have to explore every little thing on dyndns? |
| 14:33.06 | roxazer | chops: is it custom dns? |
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| 14:33.21 | roxazer | or not.. |
| 14:33.37 | ricosecada | Recommendations for apache statistics? (like modlogan) |
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| 14:34.06 | JasonF | Is there any way in either bind9 or dnsmasq to pull out any statistics? something like qps? |
| 14:34.22 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.39 | petemc | as long as you dont ask me how... |
| 14:34.40 | JasonF | Any idea as to how? Links to some docs? anything? my googling has come out dark |
| 14:34.41 | JasonF | lol |
| 14:34.50 | joltcan | ricosecada: like visitors and stuff? awstats |
| 14:34.58 | JasonF | I can't think of any way how except for logging all queries, which seems like a terrible idea. |
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| 14:35.54 | petemc | JasonF: rndc stats ? |
| 14:37.21 | ricosecada | joltcan, yes thanks :-) |
| 14:37.38 | petemc | JasonF: chap 7 of the oreilly book covers it |
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| 14:37.41 | visof | hello |
| 14:37.49 | joltcan | ricosecada: but a google-stats account is way-way better |
| 14:37.53 | visof | how can i rename the directory? |
| 14:37.57 | visof | mv |
| 14:38.00 | visof | ? |
| 14:38.04 | joltcan | visof: mv foo bar |
| 14:38.06 | defrysk | mv |
| 14:38.20 | visof | no another argument |
| 14:38.22 | chops | roxazer: I don't know. I could explore every little thing on dyndns, find it, and then tell you, but that doesn't seem like an efficient division of labor between us :-). |
| 14:38.25 | visof | like copy |
| 14:38.31 | defrysk | cp |
| 14:38.31 | visof | cp -r foo bar |
| 14:38.31 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.38 | joltcan | visof: No, just mv foo bar |
| 14:39.00 | visof | is this working for hidden directory? |
| 14:39.06 | visof | mv .foo bar ? |
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| 14:39.35 | defrysk | man mv |
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| 14:40.50 | rocketmagnet | what's a common debian tool to unpack .iso files ? |
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| 14:41.42 | esteel | rocketmagnet: i think the gnome archive program can just open them.. |
| 14:41.48 | ricosecada | joltcan, do you mean google analytics? |
| 14:41.54 | justin | rocketmagnet: unpack? you can just mount it |
| 14:41.56 | esteel | rocketmagnet: or you could just mount the .iso file |
| 14:43.20 | joltcan | ricosecada: Yeah, thats right |
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| 14:43.37 | ricosecada | why is that better joltcan? |
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| 14:44.05 | joltcan | ricosecada: Lot more geographical data, well, lot more data and lot more detail |
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| 14:44.59 | alfadir | hi, cant get "Multiple Bugzilla databases with a single installation" ( http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.22/html/x767.html ) with bugzilla. Debian is version 2.22.1 and should have the functionality according to the release notes form bugzilla.. |
| 14:45.24 | alfadir | export PROJECT does not have any effect |
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| 14:46.48 | rwaite | shudders at the thought of installing two network printers |
| 14:47.47 | ricosecada | joltcan thanks |
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| 14:48.55 | bijur | hey all |
| 14:49.07 | bijur | has anyone got the intel x3100 to run with compiz |
| 14:51.14 | up365 | bijur, get help #compiz-fusion |
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| 14:55.09 | ootput | does Ubuntu implement some sort of preloading-mechanism (besides preload) to shoot for a more responsive system? |
| 14:55.26 | ootput | i've noticed that my lenny install doesn't feel quite as snappy as the Heron release |
| 14:55.30 | petemc | ootput: why dont you ask them? |
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| 14:56.20 | twobitwork | I have gpg-agent running... but reprepro still says "gpgme gave GPGME error: Bad passphrase" |
| 14:56.26 | ootput | petemc: i know that there are a few ub users here, and seeing how my next q would have been whether or not it was reproducible in debian, I thought I'd ask here first |
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| 14:56.45 | petemc | ootput: fair enough |
| 14:56.46 | twobitwork | I'm trying to set up an apt repo with automatic import from an incoming directory |
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| 14:58.40 | themill | twobitwork: I use a variant on the script from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 14:58.41 | moshii | ootput: you have to define what you mean by "snappy" |
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| 14:59.12 | moshii | ootput: the mouse moving faster isn't a good benchmark of performance |
| 15:00.11 | twobitwork | themill: that's the page I'm looking at... but the script complains that it can't sign the repo because of a bad passphrase |
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| 15:02.35 | DawnLight_ | hello. how do i set the script that will be run when i press one of the suspend or sleep buttons in my thinkpad? |
| 15:02.59 | DawnLight_ | is that acpid documentation? |
| 15:03.00 | ootput | moshii: faster load up times |
| 15:03.35 | ootput | sorry, duty calls |
| 15:03.45 | moshii | ootput: you mean you click an icon and it appears quicker? |
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| 15:08.00 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 15:08.00 | dpkg | it has been said that acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see ... |
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| 15:10.46 | hikenboot | can someone using debian please do a "which install-info" and tell me the result? |
| 15:11.06 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:11.09 | abrotman | !tell hikenboot about search |
| 15:11.18 | Hinata` | Hi, I'm trying to install radeon drivers for my ATI mobility radeon X600 but when I do glxinfo | grep render I get this message: http://pastebin.org/34712 here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.org/34708 is there a solution? |
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| 15:12.02 | abrotman | Hinata`: whihc version of debian? |
| 15:12.04 | DawnLight_ | hi abrotman |
| 15:12.08 | Hinata` | sid |
| 15:12.24 | Hinata` | I'm on sid ^^' |
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| 15:12.26 | abrotman | DawnLight_: hi |
| 15:12.38 | keith4 | anyone know offhand what minimum debian kernel version I need for UDF 2.5? |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | Hinata`: are you sure the radeon driver in X supports DRI on that card? `man radeon` to see |
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| 15:14.25 | Hinata` | abrotman: RV380 Radeon X600: is it the same as mobility radeon x600? |
| 15:14.42 | abrotman | maybe? |
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| 15:14.51 | Hinata` | abrotman: I tried fglrx driver befor but I does the same ^^' |
| 15:14.52 | abrotman | but if you scroll down .. does it say 2D only ? |
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| 15:16.26 | Hinata` | abrotman: non I says: hardware 2D acceleration, hardware 3D acceleration |
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| 15:19.00 | helo | omg... i just was informed that our wpa key is exactly the same as what is written on our front door |
| 15:19.55 | helo | yay for competence! |
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| 15:20.10 | x0rg62 | hi |
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| 15:22.48 | x0rg62 | +l ? |
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| 15:23.29 | themill | twobitwork: do you allow the script to connect to your gpg-agent? e.g. I added "keychain --quiet; . ~/.keychain/${HOSTNAME}-sh-gpg" to mine, but I don't use it from cron, I use it with "post_upload_command = ssh -X repomachine /usr/local/bin/repoincoming" |
| 15:23.55 | helo | is there some package that i can install that will shock the hell out of anyone who gets on our wireless network? |
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| 15:25.47 | \amethyst | helo: it's not in Debian, but there's http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 15:26.02 | stew | helo: a captive portal that forces users to 2girls1something |
| 15:27.13 | RichiH | i need a script that will upper and lower case a text alternatingly -- suggestions? |
| 15:27.28 | \amethyst | RichiH: alternating letters? |
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| 15:27.46 | RichiH | lIkE tHiS i MeAn |
| 15:28.34 | themill | RichiH: wtf? Have you gone mad suddenly? |
| 15:29.06 | \amethyst | RichiH: perl -lpe 'BEGIN { $i=0 }; s/([[:alpha:]])/$i++%2 ? uc($1) : lc($1)/eg' |
| 15:29.10 | RichiH | themill: no, it's a joke on a private forum |
| 15:29.54 | themill | \amethyst: you are a very very sick person |
| 15:30.05 | \amethyst | you could even do |
| 15:30.08 | stew | and the BEGIN is not needed |
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| 15:30.40 | Koheleth | hi there |
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| 15:30.45 | \amethyst | RichiH: perl -lpe 's/([[:alpha:]])/rand()<0.5 ? uc($1) : lc($1)/eg' |
| 15:30.57 | RichiH | heh |
| 15:31.03 | RichiH | the rand is a nice touch |
| 15:31.12 | themill | \amethyst: fail... not alternating.... not within specification! |
| 15:31.45 | Koheleth | I am about to purchase a dedicated server with Debian as the OS, it has not admin gui, is it easy to access via root and install webmin for example? |
| 15:31.57 | themill | !webmin |
| 15:31.57 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 15:32.32 | Koheleth | what do you recommend then? |
| 15:32.35 | kdub432 | Koheleth: why use webmin when ssh exists? |
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| 15:32.56 | Koheleth | I not good with command stuff, I want a gui |
| 15:33.27 | fugit | funny description of webmin :-P |
| 15:33.27 | Koheleth | I like to look at picture :) |
| 15:33.40 | kdub432 | Koheleth: ssh -Y forwards your X11 connection, you can use gui programs, if you need, but def. practice with the CLI.... |
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| 15:34.36 | n3kl | What is the prefered ntfs driver for linux? |
| 15:34.59 | Koheleth | ok, but if I wanted I could install and then access the server via https and a gui. |
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| 15:38.23 | themill | n3kl: read-only or read-write? |
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| 15:39.40 | Songtao | Welcome aplsin! You have achieved a new peak of 849 users for #debian! |
| 15:39.55 | aplsin | wow |
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| 15:40.14 | Songtao | Welcome zophy! You have achieved a new peak of 850 users for #debian! |
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| 15:40.29 | Songtao | Welcome felix_da_catz! You have achieved a new peak of 851 users for #debian! |
| 15:40.37 | themill | Songtao: please stop |
| 15:41.21 | Songtao | themill, sorry, i dont know this. |
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| 15:47.38 | dcestari | hello, I'm having a problem with open office, I can't insert an image |
| 15:47.45 | dcestari | I get "graphics filter not found" |
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| 15:48.32 | themill | dcestari: which version of openoffice and what sort of graphic (file format) are you trying to insert? |
| 15:48.46 | n3kl | I am have created an ntfs partiton and mounted it using the fstab line options of users,defaults, now when I mount the device as a regular user, the file is owned by root and I am unable to access it. How can I correct this so I am able to access the device as non-root |
| 15:49.07 | dcestari | themill: I'm trying to insert a simple JPEG from a file into an OO 2.0.4 Doc. |
| 15:49.15 | dcestari | themill: I'm on Etch |
| 15:49.16 | themill | !tell n3kl about ntfsro |
| 15:49.41 | n3kl | BTW, I am using ntfs-3g |
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| 15:51.33 | dcestari | anyone knows if I need a package to insert images in OpenOffice that debian doesn't installs by default? |
| 15:51.40 | hoxu | n3kl, man 8 mount, read the "Mount options for ntfs" section |
| 15:51.56 | hoxu | n3kl, or what the ntfsro factoid said :p |
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| 15:55.05 | eheil | Hey guys. I've heard that Debian will drop support for Sparc in Lenny. What's the best way to keep my Sun systems up to date? Switch to Opensolaris? |
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| 15:55.10 | themill | dcestari: it suggests imagemagick or graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat nit I'm not entirely sure what for. |
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| 15:55.17 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 15:56.02 | themill | dcestari: I actually use openoffice 2.4 from backports.org because 2.0 is rather ... umm ... "limited" in various important ways to me. |
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| 15:56.08 | achandrashekar | hi guys..i was pointed here with regards to ltsp on debian..im looking for more of an infrastructure setup of ltsp with the use of clustered nodes...anyone have experience with this? |
| 15:56.09 | jelly | n3kl: from my fstab: /dev/ice /mount/point ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,locale=hr_HR.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 15:56.35 | dcestari | themill, I don't see it in synaptics, and I have backports.org in my source.list :( |
| 15:56.36 | Spec | anyone know why my nfs mount of 30gigs says it's full (with df -h, and anything trying to write a file), but when I use 'du -chs /path/to/nfs/mount' it says there's only 14 gigs present (out of 30) |
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| 15:56.42 | soppman | hi |
| 15:56.45 | soppman | if grub is working fine |
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| 15:56.53 | soppman | and i added something to menu.lst |
| 15:56.56 | soppman | how do i just run it? |
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| 15:57.44 | defrysk | menu.lst is used @ boot |
| 15:58.00 | themill | dcestari: it's certainly there.... have a look at "apt-cache policy openoffice.org" |
| 15:59.35 | dcestari | themill: and how do I install that from synaptics? is like hidden right? |
| 16:00.26 | themill | dcestari: nfi.... I don't use synaptics. "aptitude -t etch-backports install openoffice.org" |
| 16:00.37 | dcestari | themill: thanks! |
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| 16:02.32 | blame | apt-get boys need to come up with a command that will enable apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or I need to come up with a script...) |
| 16:02.50 | rwaite | is away: Working |
| 16:02.55 | themill | blame: alias auu='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade' |
| 16:03.04 | themill | !tell rwaite about away |
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| 16:07.54 | rwaite | sorry themill |
| 16:07.56 | blame | thanks for the tip themill ;-) |
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| 16:09.31 | themill | blame: no worries. My .bash_profile is a mixture of inspired brilliance and dirty habits... alias gerp=grep is in there somewhere.... |
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| 16:10.45 | mkelly32 | hi, are there any docs on packaging ruby libraries as a .deb? (like, special templates/guidelines to follow) |
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| 16:11.02 | blame | themill: alias isn't available in my 'man' page. How do I "unlink", edit the alias entires? |
| 16:11.16 | hikenboot | abrotman I attempted to manually install this package because upgrading the package will cause my LFS build to break unfortunately I did not read close enough there is an install path that is supposed to be specified |
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| 16:11.44 | abrotman | whowhathuh ? |
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| 16:12.05 | hikenboot | install-info |
| 16:12.28 | hikenboot | I am cross compiling Linux From Scratch |
| 16:12.32 | hikenboot | on my debian system |
| 16:12.36 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:12.51 | themill | blame: umm.... I'm not sure what you mean. If bash is your shell, then man bash certainly talks about aliases. You usually define them in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile. /msg dpkg dotfiles |
| 16:13.15 | hikenboot | now my debian system is broken I am not sure what the package installer is trying to get for a path its not very clean |
| 16:14.15 | twobitwork | hikenboot: what exactly are you trying to do, and what errors/mis-behaviors are you getting? |
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| 16:17.10 | stew | blame: also "help alias" "help unalias" |
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| 16:18.10 | blame | sorry for that stew, thank you |
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| 16:20.43 | hikenboot | twobitwork, http://paste.debian.net/2434/ |
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| 16:22.11 | mike1o | how do I get mircryption working for xchat? |
| 16:22.51 | yxa | etch default kernel is not detecting ram above 1Gb even after mem=2048M. anything i can try besides compiling kernel? |
| 16:23.08 | chops | hikenboot: So you manually modified your install-info installation, and now it doesn't work? |
| 16:23.23 | chops | hikenboot: How did you modify your install-info installation? |
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| 16:24.33 | rwaite | yxa: what does uname -a say |
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| 16:24.44 | chops | yxa: You can use a bigmem kernel |
| 16:25.00 | yxa | 2.6.24-1-486 #1 Thu Feb 14 19:09:00 JST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:25.08 | themill | yxa: use a -686 kernel not a 486 kernel |
| 16:25.09 | rwaite | the 686 kernel will do up to 4 i believe |
| 16:25.26 | themill | rwaite: yep, you're right. |
| 16:25.28 | \amethyst | slightly less than 4, but yes |
| 16:25.58 | hikenboot | I compiled ./configure... make ...make install but I was supposed to use make TEXMF=/your/texmf install-tex which i tried the second time but I dont think i am specifying the TEXMF path correctly |
| 16:26.05 | themill | yxa: and btw, that is *not* the etch default kernel... |
| 16:26.06 | rwaite | yeah, i have 4, but i only see 3200 or so, some of that is the onboard video, but i cant be bothered to find out which kernel will allow me to make use of all of it |
| 16:26.23 | yxa | the-dude its not? |
| 16:26.26 | chops | hikenboot: You compiled install-info using ./configure... make ...make install? |
| 16:26.31 | yxa | sorry themill its not? |
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| 16:26.36 | themill | yxa: what did you install from? |
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| 16:28.10 | sandman | I'm not finding any easy way to use the BadRAM linux-kernel patch with Xen. I take it this will be an impossibility? |
| 16:29.09 | yxa | themill you are right. its a custom kernel |
| 16:29.39 | themill | yxa: You can also grab that kernel from etchnhalf. /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 16:30.09 | yxa | themill just found out from one of my guys. we had to use one from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ coz it was not detecting some hardware |
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| 16:30.36 | kibibyte | hi |
| 16:31.00 | themill | yxa: yes, that's the other place a kernel like that will come from. |
| 16:31.15 | kibibyte | how to fix my keyboard ie. i have ' instead of @ |
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| 16:32.04 | \amethyst | kibibyte: ' or " ? |
| 16:32.26 | kibibyte | ' |
| 16:32.35 | kibibyte | no sorry |
| 16:32.39 | sandman | Am I somewhat accurate when I consider Linux-VServer a secured chroot? |
| 16:32.41 | hikenboot | chops yes |
| 16:32.46 | \amethyst | kibibyte: weird... anyway, are you in Gnome? |
| 16:32.53 | kibibyte | " |
| 16:33.04 | kibibyte | and i want @ |
| 16:33.15 | grendal_prime | whats a good command to find out what is accessing a mount ? |
| 16:33.20 | kibibyte | @ is when i push shift+2 |
| 16:33.29 | simonrvn | sandman: more or less |
| 16:33.43 | themill | grendal_prime: lsod |
| 16:33.47 | themill | grendal_prime: ermmm lsof |
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| 16:34.01 | grendal_prime | im trying to umount a cifs share and it keeps telling me its busy...dont know what is accssing it though |
| 16:34.02 | simonrvn | bsod ;p |
| 16:34.03 | kibibyte | amethyst no fluxbox |
| 16:34.04 | sandman | simonrvn: According to my reading, it should also be the fastest solution against UML/Xen/what-have-you, as it doesn't virtualize the networking or anything, really |
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| 16:34.17 | simonrvn | sandman: yeh |
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| 16:34.30 | sandman | simonrvn: I've found my godsend, then. |
| 16:34.36 | simonrvn | been around longer in the kernel too |
| 16:34.56 | kibibyte | how to change this keyboard layout |
| 16:35.17 | blizzow | What's the proper debian way to reconfigure my network interfaces from dynamic to static? |
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| 16:35.54 | maligor | define them |
| 16:36.00 | \amethyst | blizzow: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:36.10 | sandman | simonrvn: Would I be able to create a vserver, run a VNCserver in it, and connect to it on loopback? |
| 16:36.31 | simonrvn | sandman: dunno. i don't see why not. |
| 16:36.41 | sandman | simonrvn: I think this would likely be a good way to get graphics. Basically what I want to do is run Debian Etch, with a Testing/Unstable VServer, in which I'll do most my work. |
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| 16:36.56 | chops | hikenboot: You probably shouldn't do that :-). My advice is to reinstall the install-info package and see if that fixes things for you. In general, installing by hand over Debian-packaged software can do pretty bad things to a Debian system (as you're running into now). |
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| 16:37.10 | sandman | simonrvn: So the Etch installation above it will have mostly just server software on it, whereas the VServer will have client software. |
| 16:37.42 | helo | i'm looking at this security vuln: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2006-7212 it is listed as not being remote, but does that assume that remote access to the db is disabled? |
| 16:37.43 | sandman | simonrvn: Like GIMP, Nvu, and so forth. Sound like a good idea? Or is this crazy |
| 16:37.58 | simonrvn | sandman: hm, i'd do more reading on it first, as it it isn't a chroot in the usual sense |
| 16:38.10 | helo | 'multiple buffer overflows' in a db package would seem likely to be a remote vuln to me... |
| 16:38.12 | simonrvn | sandman: might be doable though |
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| 16:38.32 | sandman | simonrvn: Well I hope so. It'd solve a lot, while keeping security at a maximum. |
| 16:38.42 | sandman | simonrvn: Plus, it'd make it easy =) |
| 16:38.45 | simonrvn | for sure |
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| 16:38.49 | yxa | themill so anything above 1G I will need HIGHMEM? i thought it was only 4G and above |
| 16:38.50 | simonrvn | *2 |
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| 16:39.00 | sandman | Oh, hey. I have an idea, btw. I meant to mention this a while ago, but I'll say it again just for the heck of it. |
| 16:39.12 | sandman | Can information be read from multiple banks of a DIMM at the same time? |
| 16:39.46 | sandman | And if so, are there speed benefits to this? |
| 16:39.50 | themill | yxa: up to 4ish GB is fine with the -686 kernel, for >4GB you want the -686-bigmem kernel. highmem and bigmem are different things. |
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| 16:39.55 | mikeones | hello |
| 16:40.17 | \amethyst | for >64GB you want -amd64 |
| 16:40.40 | cusco | sandman: Im not sure about that but isn't dual channel banks in the borad what you mean? I dunno but I think you will get better replys in ~hardware |
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| 16:41.26 | sandman | Well, I'm familiar with doing that these days with DDR2 memory. But that's sort of like striping them. |
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| 16:41.41 | rwaite | aha |
| 16:41.54 | hikenboot | chops, I was trying to avoid an apt-get upgrade cause I am cross compiling and didnt want to break my cross compile...I will reinstall keeping my home directory |
| 16:41.57 | hikenboot | thanks. |
| 16:41.58 | rwaite | i just gained 800 megs of ram by installing the bigmem kernel |
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| 16:42.08 | sandman | I'm talking about reading from an individual memory bank, and another memory bank, at the same time. For example, let's say there are 4 banks in a DIMM. Can it read from bank 1 and bank 4 at exactly the same instant? |
| 16:42.16 | sandman | Or must the reads from different banks be serialized? |
| 16:42.33 | valdyn | sandman: thats a feature of your chipset |
| 16:42.40 | valdyn | sandman: linux has no influence on that |
| 16:42.53 | sandman | valdyn: Linux cannot force that? I thought Linux could bypass a BIOS |
| 16:43.06 | valdyn | sandman: this feature has nothing to do with bios |
| 16:43.19 | sandman | valdyn: Has to do with the Northbridge? |
| 16:43.26 | valdyn | sandman: yes |
| 16:44.07 | mike1o | !mircryption |
| 16:44.08 | yxa | why dont they enable bigmem by default? :) |
| 16:44.24 | valdyn | yxa: because it has overhead |
| 16:44.48 | rwaite | bigmem is like windows' pae right? |
| 16:44.57 | valdyn | rwaite: it is pae |
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| 16:45.14 | rwaite | oh okay, i didnt know if pae was some microsoft marketing term for the underlying tech |
| 16:45.26 | \amethyst | PAE is Intel's term for the underlying tech |
| 16:45.29 | valdyn | rwaite: its some intel term |
| 16:45.51 | rwaite | oh ok kewl. hey, all i know is i can run a whole other vm now |
| 16:45.58 | mikeones | anyone help my with sources.list issues? I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free as my only source. When I try to install kde I get "kde: Depends: kdenetwork (>= 4:3.5.5) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 16:45.59 | rwaite | with no swappin |
| 16:46.06 | mikeones | do I have to try a diffrent mioor? |
| 16:46.13 | mikeones | *mirror |
| 16:46.20 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 16:46.20 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 16:46.23 | valdyn | mikeones: ^^^ |
| 16:46.28 | mikeones | my hardware is the ARMEL |
| 16:46.44 | sandman | valdyn: Well then I suppose I can forget about the speed-end of my question. The other part is about cache. I was thinking instead of doing just specifically filecache for using unused memory, could the kernel be configured to write the same information to RAM in multiple places? This way, if a RAM error is detected in one of the two writes of the information, it could re-write the data in another place, and then try to rewrite the data in the |
| 16:46.59 | simonrvn | a) shouldn't use .us. b) if you can't manage simple things like that don't use sid |
| 16:47.01 | linkslice | I'm upgrading an apache 1.3 install to apache2, and have the config files mostly figured out, with the exception of ssl how is this set up 'the debian way' with apache2? |
| 16:47.08 | sandman | Whichever of the two fails against the re-written data, it could then discern which area of RAM was bad, and mark it as such. |
| 16:47.14 | \amethyst | sandman: you're talking about mainframe-level stuff there |
| 16:47.19 | simonrvn | linkslice: mod_ssl |
| 16:47.27 | valdyn | sandman: thats silly |
| 16:47.29 | \amethyst | sandman: or airplane flight computers :) |
| 16:47.49 | sandman | valdyn: Why? |
| 16:48.10 | \amethyst | sandman: ECC is usually good enough, and is handled in-hardware |
| 16:48.15 | valdyn | sandman: because pc hardware doesnt fail often enough to make doing everything twice reasonable |
| 16:48.17 | sandman | True, what if you don't have ECC |
| 16:48.18 | \amethyst | if you have ECC RAM |
| 16:48.25 | \amethyst | then you get ECC |
| 16:48.33 | sandman | lol What if I don't have the money to invest? |
| 16:48.44 | \amethyst | but you have the money to invest in twice as much RAM? |
| 16:48.49 | valdyn | sandman: then you cant afford twice the memory either? |
| 16:48.53 | \amethyst | and slowing down everything considerable? |
| 16:48.54 | sandman | I have more memory than I need as it is |
| 16:49.01 | valdyn | sandman: ecc does not cost twice as much as usual memory |
| 16:49.02 | \amethyst | s/ble/bly/ |
| 16:49.13 | sandman | True, but I'd also need to get the motherboard to support it |
| 16:49.14 | valdyn | sandman: then sell your ram and buy ecc ram |
| 16:49.29 | \amethyst | sandman: one problem is that the kernel isn't the only thing writing to memory |
| 16:49.29 | sandman | And then I'd also likely need to get a new CPU, and a new video card since the one I have now is AGP8x |
| 16:49.34 | mikeones | valdyn: I am use to runing sidux but ARMEL hardware is not in their repos |
| 16:49.46 | \amethyst | sandman: this is really the kind of thing you'd want to implement in hardware |
| 16:49.57 | valdyn | mikeones: sidux is off topic, sid is as explained in the sid faq |
| 16:49.58 | sandman | \amethyst: Well, that makes sense to me. |
| 16:49.59 | mikeones | valdyn: just curious why kde is not showing up as 3.5.9 |
| 16:50.06 | sandman | \amethyst: Basically something the northbridge could do, again. |
| 16:50.07 | valdyn | mikeones: theres not really anything else to say |
| 16:50.07 | sandman | I want OpenHardware. |
| 16:50.09 | sandman | Like, now. |
| 16:50.14 | sandman | So I can develop this sort of thing |
| 16:50.26 | valdyn | sandman: that part of hardware is open |
| 16:50.33 | valdyn | sandman: specs are open. |
| 16:50.44 | sandman | valdyn: Yeah, but if I modified it, who would fabricate the silicon for me? |
| 16:50.52 | \amethyst | sandman: you can make a memory controller with VHDL and FPGAs; getting it fast enough to want to use, however, is expensive |
| 16:50.58 | sandman | I don't know of anyone who does custom CPU fabrication |
| 16:51.04 | valdyn | sandman: ask a faq, they'll give you a quote |
| 16:51.08 | \amethyst | (and probably not feasible in FPGAs) |
| 16:51.15 | sandman | valdyn: FAQ? |
| 16:51.15 | valdyn | sandman: ask a *fab* |
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| 16:51.18 | sandman | Ah |
| 16:51.19 | sandman | Fab lab |
| 16:51.29 | sandman | Okay, how about this. |
| 16:51.37 | mikeones | valdyn: I am not getting what you mean. I do not see any mirrors in the fqa you linked to. Is that just do I can read the diff between sid and unstable, ect.? |
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| 16:51.51 | valdyn | mikeones: you should read the faq |
| 16:52.00 | valdyn | mikeones: i didnt tell you to search for mirrors |
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| 16:52.34 | sandman | Well, let me ask this. If I were to take out a loan and do what's necessary to start a company that does custom online-ordered (and automatic) silicon fabrication, how much interest do you suppose there'd be? |
| 16:52.35 | mikeones | valdyn: thats al the help you give? Or is this too insignificat to address? |
| 16:52.48 | valdyn | mikeones: you dare come here asking about sid without reading the sid faq |
| 16:52.56 | mikeones | *insignificant |
| 16:52.59 | valdyn | mikeones: thats unpolite |
| 16:53.04 | WormFood | when did this become the custom silicone channel? |
| 16:53.08 | valdyn | mikeones: no one sais your question is insignificant |
| 16:53.10 | \amethyst | sandman: that's a big loan. many millions |
| 16:53.13 | WormFood | silicon I mean |
| 16:53.25 | sandman | For example, here's what I'd do: A website would have a front-end in which you could upload schematics in the proper format. After you paid for the estimated raw materials (also done automatically), it would just automatically make however many you wanted and send them out. |
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| 16:53.41 | sandman | Automatically. Using robotic arms and stuff. Do you suppose you, for instance, would be interested in such a thing? |
| 16:53.56 | sandman | I could then start an OpenHardware project. I know a few guys who could help out with this |
| 16:53.58 | WormFood | sandman, you can get custom fabricated ICs...not sure of the details, but you can do small volumes |
| 16:54.00 | mikeones | valdyn: cool, thanks |
| 16:54.05 | valdyn | sandman: do you have _any_ clue what you are talking about? |
| 16:54.09 | sandman | valdyn: Yes |
| 16:54.21 | valdyn | sandman: or is this just some supposedly totally unrealistic science fiction? |
| 16:54.27 | WormFood | valdyn, obviously not, as he has not done the research into that area |
| 16:54.31 | valdyn | sandman: ( which it is ) |
| 16:54.45 | WormFood | you can get custom ICs, in low volume....but they are not that cheap |
| 16:54.53 | sandman | valdyn: Well, you can say it's impossible if you want. |
| 16:54.58 | sandman | But what if I did it? Would you be interested? |
| 16:55.01 | valdyn | sandman: its not impossible |
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| 16:55.11 | valdyn | sandman: its prohibitively expensive |
| 16:55.14 | themill | mikeones: to be really blunt, the fact that you are asking these questions indicates that you should not be running sid; stick with your currently etch installation. Users of sid are supposed to be self-supporting. Sid breaks. Often. Sid users get to keep both pieces when it does. And btw you need to upgrade to lenny moving to sid. |
| 16:55.24 | sandman | valdyn: You mean, to start with no money? Who said I don't have any money? |
| 16:55.31 | sandman | Oh wait, I did. |
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| 16:55.40 | \amethyst | sandman: whether I would be interested in such a thing would depend on how much you charged for it |
| 16:55.45 | sandman | Well, whatever. |
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| 16:55.52 | valdyn | sandman: if you want to spend 10k $ for a medium to low end gfx card and ALSO provide the schematics.. go ahead |
| 16:56.06 | sandman | \amethyst: Only as much as the raw materials + a small markup for repair costs on the equipment. |
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| 16:56.13 | \amethyst | sandman: 'raw materials'? |
| 16:56.18 | sandman | \amethyst: Could be all contained under a 501(c)(3) corporation, which all information about it public. |
| 16:56.26 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:56.27 | valdyn | !troll |
| 16:56.27 | dpkg | hmm... troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
| 16:56.31 | sandman | \amethyst: Sure, like the mats for creating a single silicon crystal |
| 16:56.32 | stew | sandman: please take this to a more appropriate channel |
| 16:56.43 | \amethyst | sandman: do you know how chip fab works? |
| 16:56.48 | \amethyst | sandman: and how much the machines cost? |
| 16:56.48 | sandman | stew: I'll just stop. |
| 16:56.55 | \amethyst | and how much they cost to run |
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| 16:57.25 | \amethyst | sandman: you'd probably be better off paying TI or somebody to make the chips for you |
| 16:57.25 | yxa | chip fab machines get obselete fast rite? |
| 16:57.30 | stew | #debian-offtopic #hardware #defocus are all better channels for htis |
| 16:57.33 | sandman | \amethyst: Yes, you need to create the silicon crystal, cut it up into thin layers, apply a laser. It sort of reminds me of stereolithography, but as far as I know it runs sort of like that. But I don't really need to know, as I know someone who is in the business. It was just to be a little project of mine, that is all. |
| 16:57.38 | sandman | I'll stop, though. |
| 16:58.03 | sandman | stew: Thank you for the #hardware tip, I'm there now. |
| 16:58.27 | WormFood | and isn't there an #electronics channel too? |
| 17:00.18 | sandman | stew: Mostly I think hardware vendors who don't release specifications about their products are something of a hurdle for the opensource movement. Somebody out there purchases hardware like the aforementioned, then tries to install linux sometime later only to discover that it's not entirely compatible. Following this, they develop a negative opinion of opensource because, largely, they don't know any better. |
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| 17:01.57 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.00 | \amethyst | sandman: http://wiki.opengraphics.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware |
| 17:02.21 | valdyn | yxa: not really obsolete, just not "top" for more than 3 years |
| 17:02.23 | stew | sandman: is there a particular video card that you are having troublt getting debian to work with? |
| 17:02.49 | valdyn | yxa: but theres plenty of chips that dont need a top fab |
| 17:03.02 | stew | sandman: or what exactly is the problem you are having with debian? |
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| 17:03.39 | sandman | stew: I don't have a problem with Debian. I just thought this would be constructive toward Debian |
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| 17:03.53 | stew | sandman: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:04.03 | sandman | Okay. |
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| 17:10.12 | kuber | may i get a lil sometihn for the gs? |
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| 17:16.41 | egospun | i have an apache that handles several vhosts. occasionally it get's quite high loads. I'm trying to figure out what requests are being made that are causing a load. seems the only way is to tail each vhost's log file. is there a better way? |
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| 17:17.18 | dooglus | is there some package available that will let me create a virtual v4l (webcam) device showing static images and showing my desktop? |
| 17:17.23 | egospun | ideally I'd like to query the root httpd process somehow and see what requests it is handling (without using http since my http is completely loaded) |
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| 17:17.33 | Ward1983 | is vmware server in the repositiries for 64 bit? |
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| 17:19.15 | wd | does 2.6 kernel have a low memory limit to operate because everytime i use 2.4 floppies to install pcmcia/lucent card is recognzd but 2.6 floppies won't load up card services? |
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| 17:20.36 | wd | sarge etch lenny floppies aren't configing lucent wireless card but 2.4.27 is... strange. can i load modules manually? |
| 17:21.29 | sandman | I was looking for the vserver patch against the linux kernel on packages.d.o, and it would appear that its last appearance was in Sarge. I assume this means I'll need to get it from outside apt to get it applied |
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| 17:21.56 | dmnd | does it make sense to use acpi on a server platform? |
| 17:21.57 | sandman | I know there are linux-image-*vserver* packages, but I've BadRAM patch applied to my kernel, and the vserver images don't have them. |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | dmnd: if you're concerned about things like energy bills .. yes |
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| 17:22.59 | dmnd | abrotman: but i dont want a harddrive to spin down once it has done not much for a while? |
| 17:23.07 | rwaite | 3.5 hours and freedom |
| 17:23.10 | abrotman | you can set that in multiple places |
| 17:23.37 | dmnd | abrotman: where do i look in debian? :) |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | probably the acpi settings .. i'm sure the BIOS has a few things also |
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| 17:24.26 | dmnd | ok, but without acpi, i only have a bit more power consumption? |
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| 17:25.01 | thrope | hi - I have a problem with an init script that uses start-stop-daemon: it exits with status 1 if you run stop when the daemon isn't running (which causes package upgrade to fail if the service is stopped) |
| 17:25.30 | thrope | how should this be handled? ie get start-stop-daemon to not return 1 if there is no running process |
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| 17:25.53 | egospun__ | is there an equiv to truss or dtrace on debian? |
| 17:26.08 | abrotman | dmnd: i have no idea .. you'd have to use a meter to check that |
| 17:26.21 | abrotman | egospun__: is there one in linux ? |
| 17:26.32 | dmnd | abrotman: ok, i'll just disable this stuff |
| 17:26.34 | dmnd | :) |
| 17:26.36 | abrotman | up to you |
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| 17:28.46 | thrope | found it: --oknodo |
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| 17:31.56 | wd | does a 2.6.22 floppy kernel need a certain amount of ram and mhz because the floppy images 2.4 find my pcmcia lucent card but 2.6 kernels can't? |
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| 17:32.16 | dooglus | is there some package available that will let me create a virtual v4l (webcam) device showing static images and showing my desktop? |
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| 17:33.51 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
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| 17:35.14 | ttl- | After a recent update my numeric key block went dead in gnome, i checked keyboard layout and type and they are set correctly. |
| 17:35.19 | blizzow | I'm setting up apache and mysql on a new server. Will setting my locale to en_US.UTF-8 be ok? |
| 17:35.21 | wd | how do i load pc card services and lucent pcmcia manually using floppy install? |
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| 17:35.55 | PDani | hi |
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| 17:36.21 | kripton1x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.12 | kripton1x | it tells me no such device wlan0, after doing ndiswrapper -m, which created 'alias wlan0 ndiswrapper' in /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper file |
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| 17:37.34 | ttl- | in the console all keys work perfectly so it has to be a configuration issue |
| 17:37.45 | Ward1983 | is vmware server in the repositiries for 64 bit? |
| 17:37.53 | n3kl | kripton1x: try iwconfig, anything returned? |
| 17:37.57 | PDani | i would like to make a package from a source package, but it depends on debhelper (>=6), and when i try to build anyway (dpkg-buildpackage -d), it says: "dh_clean: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper." is there an easier solution to this than having to compile debhelper6 and a bunch of other packages which it relies on |
| 17:37.58 | PDani | ? |
| 17:38.01 | kripton1x | yes, just lo and eth0 |
| 17:38.23 | kripton1x | even after modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 17:38.26 | kripton1x | loading everything up |
| 17:38.44 | n3kl | kripton1x: wish I could help, I don't know much about ndiswrapper, but it sounds to me like the device has not been created |
| 17:38.55 | kripton1x | hm |
| 17:39.02 | kripton1x | ndiswrapper -m is supposed to do that but not in this case. |
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| 17:39.15 | kripton1x | i have an exact same OS with same configuration and samew hardware, that is working |
| 17:39.20 | kripton1x | which i am actually on right now lol |
| 17:39.20 | n3kl | PDani: I think you can install deps using apt-get install build-dep packagename |
| 17:39.53 | ttl- | i even did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and all keyboard settings are the same as ever |
| 17:40.07 | n3kl | kripton1x: any erros with modprobe? |
| 17:40.14 | n3kl | kripton1x: try lsmod | grep modulename |
| 17:40.28 | ttl- | what can be causing the numeric block not responding in xorg/gnome |
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| 17:41.00 | n3kl | ttl-: what driver is listed for the keyboard and layout in xorg.conf |
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| 17:43.31 | ttl- | n3kl: Driver "kbd" and "XkbLayout" "be" |
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| 17:44.08 | n3kl | ttl-: how about the model. I don't know much about the "be", but if that is correct for your location... |
| 17:44.18 | PDani | n3kl: i have installed debhelper, but it's the 5.0.x from etch. and i would like to keep my etch, so what i'm asking is what should i change in the debian/rules file in the source to work around the mentioned error message above? |
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| 17:44.33 | ttl- | n3kl: Option "XkbModel" "pc105" |
| 17:44.54 | PDani | i wouldn't like to upgrade to testing my whole dpkg system |
| 17:44.55 | n3kl | ttl-: so what is not working. Seems like that should work correctly if you have a 105key keyboard |
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| 17:45.18 | n3kl | PDani: msg dpkg etch->lenny in that case |
| 17:45.26 | ttl- | n3kl: the numeric key block |
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| 17:46.07 | n3kl | ttl-: do you have any other funky junk in the keyboard section? |
| 17:46.10 | ttl- | n3kl: the numeric keys on the right side of the keyboard |
| 17:46.24 | ttl- | n3kl: nope |
| 17:46.34 | n3kl | ttl-: numlock on? |
| 17:46.45 | ttl- | lol |
| 17:46.49 | n3kl | ttl-: did you change anything in gnome? |
| 17:46.52 | ttl- | n30: yes |
| 17:46.56 | ttl- | nope |
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| 17:47.10 | ttl- | did an dist-upgrade a few days ago |
| 17:47.10 | n3kl | ttl-: also, try xev to see if X is even seeying your key preeses? |
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| 17:48.09 | wd | using modprobe to load yenta_socket.ko drivers in 2.6.22 floppy kernel but getting Fatal:module not found...how is this and i'm reading dir? |
| 17:48.38 | ttl- | n3kl: X does not see any keys on the numeric block |
| 17:48.52 | n3kl | wd: do fine /lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname "*yenta*" Return anything? |
| 17:49.18 | n3kl | ttl-: sounds like something to do with gnome then honestly. I don't know much about gnome |
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| 17:49.35 | n3kl | ttl-: I am sure it has some keyboard setting whonanny that could help you troubleshoot the issue |
| 17:49.58 | n3kl | wd: not fine, find |
| 17:51.22 | ttl- | n3k: it is a very strange thing |
| 17:51.30 | n3kl | indeed |
| 17:51.34 | wd | do i use "*yenta*" as is with quotes and aster? |
| 17:51.36 | n3kl | and this happened on upgrade? |
| 17:51.44 | n3kl | wd: yeah |
| 17:51.52 | ttl- | n3k: i did not see any errors |
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| 17:52.24 | wd | n3kl: BusyBox v1.1.3 Debian 1:1.1.3-5 multi-call binary |
| 17:52.48 | n3kl | wd: what kind of device are you working with? |
| 17:53.29 | ttl- | n3k: strange that xev does not report anything |
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| 17:54.11 | wd | n3kl: toshiba satellite 400cs, 100mhz 40meg ram. 500mg hd.. if i use 2.4 floppy imgs i can install sarge even upgrade to etch.. but if i use 2.6 img's i can't get pcmcia going. |
| 17:54.36 | wd | n3kl: 2.4 find lucent pcmcia card and start pccard services but 2.6 won't |
| 17:54.37 | n3kl | ttl-: xev does not report anything? I thought you said it did? If X recognized the keyboard, every time you press a key, it should generate an X event, hence xev. |
| 17:54.37 | ttl- | n3kl: in native console all keys work |
| 17:55.08 | ttl- | n3kl: no it does not report anything for the numeric key block |
| 17:55.25 | n3kl | wd: is the system fully installed or are you trying to get it installed using the floppy? |
| 17:55.40 | wd | n3kl: 2.4.27-3 works but every 2.6 wont using debian floppy. |
| 17:55.59 | wd | n3kl: trying to get it installed using floppies |
| 17:56.00 | n3kl | ttl-: do you have an old copy of your xorg.conf to compare to or something. I think it may be something with the lines in your x config. |
| 17:56.18 | n3kl | wd: can this lappy boot usb? |
| 17:56.38 | wd | n3kl: no and cdrom won't be picked up by 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. |
| 17:56.54 | wd | n3kl: must use floppy. |
| 17:57.00 | n3kl | Hmm |
| 17:57.06 | wd | yea i know |
| 17:57.08 | wd | :( |
| 17:57.10 | n3kl | wd: and you need yenta for network? |
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| 17:58.08 | ttl- | n3kl: http://pastebin.org/34750 |
| 17:58.13 | wd | n3kl: not sure i was trying it because i tried to use 2.6.18 kernel for sarge and guy here told me to modprobe yenta_socket, pcmcia_cs and pcmcia |
| 17:58.22 | n3kl | wd: also, what are you modprobing to load the driver. should just be "modprobe yenta_socket" |
| 17:58.33 | ttl- | n3kl: yes i have some older copies |
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| 17:59.30 | wd | n3kl: i did that and got error. ooops nvm did it your way and it loaded.. i've been using full path. |
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| 18:00.03 | n3kl | wd: yeah, but why? Do you have network without it? If you are able to boot the floppy with network, I would think you would be able to install from the network. I would not think that all of the modules would fit on a floppy, so I am not certian that yenta is included |
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| 18:00.24 | wd | n3kl: ok did modprobe yenta_socket and did lsmod and i see yenta on left but right used by is 0 |
| 18:00.27 | n3kl | wd: no need to use the full path. debian knows ehere to look. |
| 18:00.52 | lvh | hello. after updating this morning it seems my system is partially hosed (vim won't start and aptitude won't start -- both with bus errors). |
| 18:00.57 | lvh | I've made straces and pastebinning them now. |
| 18:01.09 | wd | n3kl: i'm not getting network booting 2.6 kernels only 2.4.. :( |
| 18:01.11 | brandom | " |
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| 18:01.26 | n3kl | wd: back to the same question though. Do you have networking without yenta? Do ifconfig and look for a non-lo network device, or do dmesg | grep eth. SOmething like that might help |
| 18:01.27 | wd | n3kl: using 2.6 detection is failing so i figured i'll load modules manually |
| 18:01.58 | catsup | wd: did that guy with the page about the satellite post a kernel .config ? |
| 18:02.05 | lvh | wait, aptitude started working again \i/ |
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| 18:02.37 | ttl- | n3kl: it is just a standard PS/2 keyboard |
| 18:02.39 | wd | catsup: no |
| 18:02.46 | lvh | here's the vim strace: http://rafb.net/p/9BiB5o23.html |
| 18:02.51 | n3kl | ttl-: I would drop line 24, change pc105 to pc104, and restart X. Then test |
| 18:02.58 | n3kl | ttl-: lenny? |
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| 18:03.44 | ttl- | n3kl: yes lenny |
| 18:04.01 | n3kl | lvh: missing any packages, try apt-get -f install? |
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| 18:04.35 | wd | n3kl: ifconfig returns nothing. |
| 18:04.35 | n3kl | ttl-: try changing those settings and test it |
| 18:04.46 | ttl- | ok |
| 18:04.49 | n3kl | wd: pastebin an lspci |
| 18:04.49 | ttl- | one sec |
| 18:04.52 | n3kl | wd: if you can |
| 18:05.01 | n3kl | ttl-: make backups! |
| 18:05.03 | wd | n3kl: n3kl can't get network |
| 18:05.13 | n3kl | wd: hmm |
| 18:05.14 | n3kl | right |
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| 18:05.33 | wd | n3kl: dmesg | grep eth get's nothing |
| 18:05.53 | n3kl | wd: do lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 18:06.07 | n3kl | wd: do you have an ethernet port on this laptop? |
| 18:06.28 | n3kl | lvh: thats wack |
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| 18:06.38 | wd | n3kl: oh i loaded yenta_socket but i see pcmcia_core is loaded with lsmod and it has yenta_socket, i82365,rsrc_nonstatic already maybe i should remove yenta i just loaded? |
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| 18:07.09 | wd | n3kl: no. it's old sorry. |
| 18:07.17 | n3kl | wd: just hold your horses. Do you have anything plugged into pcmcia? |
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| 18:07.33 | ttyS1 | Ekiga doesn't come with the iLBC codec on Debian. is there a way I can add it ? |
| 18:07.36 | wd | n3kl: yes the lucent wireless pcmcia card |
| 18:08.00 | n3kl | wd: what module does it need, do you know? |
| 18:08.26 | wd | n3kl: in 2.4 i used the orinoco_cs and it worked great |
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| 18:08.41 | ttl- | re |
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| 18:08.57 | ttl- | n3kl: it still does not work |
| 18:09.00 | ma3x | is there a public smarthost i can use? |
| 18:09.17 | ma3x | my isp doesn't allow me to use its server |
| 18:09.17 | wd | n3kl: by the way lsmod shows orinoco and hermes on left side of screen and on right orinoco_nortel,orinoco_plx, orinoco.. so it's loaded right? |
| 18:09.18 | ttl- | n3kl: i found that the key are working in the gdm login screen |
| 18:09.22 | n3kl | ma3x: perhaps one provided by your isp? I think dyndns also has some you can use |
| 18:09.36 | n3kl | ttl-: blame gnome |
| 18:09.46 | n3kl | wd: did you try to modprobe the module again? |
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| 18:10.21 | ttl- | ttl-: yeah thought the same thing |
| 18:10.55 | wd | n3kl: which one yenta yes and i see it on the left but it's already included with pcmcia_core.. but orinoco no not again.. it's already loaded. |
| 18:11.26 | n3kl | ttl-: if gnome got upgraded, perhaps there is a config conflict. I would try moving the configs to a different location, for back purposes, and then trying to rebuild some of the configs by loggin in. This way you start clean and let gome try again. |
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| 18:12.17 | n3kl | wd: so lsmod | grep orinco returns that the driver is already loaded? |
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| 18:12.56 | ricosecada | Any comments on running vlogger (have several virtual hosts on apache) together with something like webalizer? |
| 18:13.01 | ttl- | n3kl: yeah |
| 18:13.14 | ttl- | n3kl: going to try |
| 18:14.23 | wd | n3kl: lsmod got me orinoco_nortel with 7680 0, orinoco_plx 8320 0, orinoco 39060 2 orinoco_nortel,orinoco_plx, hermes 7168 3 blah blah |
| 18:17.44 | n3kl | wd: I would think that *if* those are actually the correct drivers you need, then it would associate that with the yenta socket. Not sure to be honest. Sounds almost like the modules you are using are not the correct ones for the hardware. Also, if 2.4 works, get it installed and then upgrade later. Is that a possibility? |
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| 18:17.57 | rdiazr | hello |
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| 18:18.41 | wd | n3kl: yep. i don't get it tho.. how come 2.4 loads up network and 2.6 won't ? |
| 18:18.46 | rdiazr | anybody know how can i install type1 module? |
| 18:19.31 | n3kl | wd: strange, yes, but the goal is to get the system installed, and like I say you might try 2.4 to install, then upgrade on a working system. |
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| 18:20.01 | davoq | Hello |
| 18:20.08 | davoq | I have one problen whit Debian |
| 18:20.21 | davoq | I need recompile one kernel, bit my Quad Core not accept any kernel |
| 18:20.22 | dustybin | does everyone here put there ADSL modem on the 'main' telephone socket in your house? how does one know what the main socket is? |
| 18:20.37 | davoq | have errores |
| 18:21.25 | davoq | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 18:21.25 | davoq | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 18:21.25 | davoq | /sbin/init: 426:cannot open /dev/console: No such file |
| 18:21.25 | davoq | any idea ? |
| 18:21.43 | ricosecada | davoq, you need to know what you are doing in order to custom build your kernel. |
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| 18:22.15 | dondelelcaro | danny: why excatly are you recompiling the kernel anyway? |
| 18:22.28 | dondelelcaro | s/danny/davoq/ |
| 18:22.31 | n3kl | davoq: ^^ |
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| 18:23.37 | davoq | dondelelcaro, I compile correect, ( I work in One P4 ) but in one Quad Core have error :( |
| 18:23.53 | dondelelcaro | davoq: clearly not if you're getting that error. |
| 18:24.04 | dondelelcaro | davoq: but that's not my question; why are you recompiling the kernel? |
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| 18:25.11 | davoq | dondelelcaro |
| 18:25.11 | davoq | because I need to run the kernel |
| 18:25.25 | davoq | config_hz: 1000 |
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| 18:25.33 | davoq | actualy run to 250 |
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| 18:25.40 | n3kl | dood install a kernel and use it, doesn't sound like you need to compile a kernel. |
| 18:26.02 | Mazingaro | hi please I got problem with X on lenny: last update screwed my video config (xorg.conf) |
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| 18:26.27 | n3kl | And the problem is? |
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| 18:26.57 | dondelelcaro | davoq: for what reason? |
| 18:27.19 | davoq | dondelelcaro, I run Gameservers, and not work correectly ( FPS ) |
| 18:27.21 | dondelelcaro | switching the interrupt frequency generally not terribly useful |
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| 18:27.51 | n3kl | davoq: I doubt that the lag of any kind is related to that config item. |
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| 18:28.54 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, making it lower isn't going to make the lag shorter. |
| 18:28.59 | davoq | n3kl, in page steam, say that kernel need config_hz to 1000 |
| 18:29.22 | n3kl | "in page steam"? |
| 18:29.56 | Mazingaro | hi please I got problem with X on lenny: last update screwed my video config (xorg.conf) |
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| 18:30.33 | dondelelcaro | davoq: and in any event, Debian kernels are compiled now with CONFIG_NO_HZ, so whatever is telling you to use CONFIG_HZ=1000 is very outdated. |
| 18:30.44 | dondelelcaro | (and probably was wrong even when it wasn't outdated) |
| 18:31.01 | n3kl | Mazingaro: right, what is the problem. "screwed my video" is not terribly usefull. |
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| 18:31.31 | Mazingaro | n3kl: no data in Device section for the video card |
| 18:31.43 | Mazingaro | Section "Device" |
| 18:31.53 | n3kl | Mazingaro: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:32.03 | Mazingaro | n3kl: done! Same problem |
| 18:32.10 | Mazingaro | n3kl: I tried to reinstall, but no way |
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| 18:32.17 | Bert_2 | hi, anybody know anything about Xephyr or Xnesting ? |
| 18:32.23 | n3kl | Mazingaro: paste your xorg.conf |
| 18:32.29 | n3kl | Mazingaro: tried to reinstall what? |
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| 18:33.28 | Mazingaro | n3kl: all xorg |
| 18:33.39 | x0rg62 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.39 | davoq | dondelelcaro, one version for one Quad Core Xeon X3220 with Debian 32 bits ? |
| 18:33.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: stable kernels are either config_hz = 100 or 250 |
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| 18:34.02 | davoq | stew correct, and I need 1000 |
| 18:34.12 | dondelelcaro | stew: right, because CONFIG_NO_HZ came in around .23 iirc. |
| 18:34.20 | itguru | Can I use rsync to copy just one file? I was doing a transfer of a 3G file, and the connection dropped @ 50% - I don't want to have to start all over again |
| 18:34.31 | dondelelcaro | davoq: yes; all you need is the .24 -686 kernel, and you're set. |
| 18:34.46 | n3kl | itguru: yes, but you will still have to start it all over again |
| 18:34.51 | n3kl | itguru: man rsync for details |
| 18:34.52 | davoq | in kernel.org not see |
| 18:34.59 | davoq | you can provide one link ? |
| 18:35.10 | dondelelcaro | itguru: sure, just use rsync -avP; or similar, which will check what you've already sent. |
| 18:35.26 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: news to me |
| 18:35.36 | n3kl | itguru: listen to dondelelcaro |
| 18:35.37 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the -P and --append options are really useful |
| 18:35.38 | Mazingaro | n3kl: http://paste.debian.net/2446/ |
| 18:35.48 | dondelelcaro | (or --append-verify) |
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| 18:36.17 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: that could have helped me so much in the past. good to knwp |
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| 18:37.18 | davoq | Please, can you provide one link with one kernel for one Quad Core ? |
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| 18:38.06 | dondelelcaro | davoq: http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
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| 18:38.24 | davoq | amd for one intel ? |
| 18:38.32 | dondelelcaro | davoq: yes. |
| 18:38.46 | davoq | ok thanks, I download now to see |
| 18:38.48 | itguru | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I'll try that in a few moments |
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| 18:39.15 | Mazingaro | n3kl: then? |
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| 18:39.28 | zephyr | hello i was just wondering how to change the login info |
| 18:39.47 | zephyr | like |
| 18:39.47 | dondelelcaro | zephyr: which bits? |
| 18:39.47 | zephyr | The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; |
| 18:39.52 | zephyr | all that when u login via ssh |
| 18:39.56 | dondelelcaro | zephyr: /etc/motd.tail et al. |
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| 18:40.12 | zephyr | ok how do i change the hostname to a box? |
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| 18:40.23 | dondelelcaro | !hostname |
| 18:40.23 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 18:40.27 | zephyr | ooo |
| 18:40.56 | n3kl | Mazingaro: you have no driver specified in your device section. |
| 18:41.06 | Mazingaro | n3kl: yes I know |
| 18:41.11 | n3kl | Mazingaro: so add one. |
| 18:41.17 | Mazingaro | n3kl: was dpkg-reconfigure to do that |
| 18:41.20 | n3kl | Mazingaro: what kind of device are you using. |
| 18:41.26 | n3kl | Mazingaro: prolly. |
| 18:41.36 | n3kl | Mazingaro: are you using lenny? |
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| 18:42.23 | zephyr | whats the best src to use? |
| 18:42.27 | zephyr | for apt-get? |
| 18:42.35 | Mazingaro | Mazingaro: yes it worked until last xorg update (Radeon 9200 R280) |
| 18:42.43 | Mazingaro | n3kl: yes it worked until last xorg update (Radeon 9200 R280) |
| 18:43.28 | n3kl | Mazingaro: try adding Driver "vesa" to your device section. I am not sure what driver the radeons use |
| 18:43.45 | Mazingaro | n3kl: ok, forget it |
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| 18:44.47 | zephyr | whats the best apt-get src to use? |
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| 18:45.09 | stew | zephyr: you mean mirror? |
| 18:45.14 | n3kl | zephyr: to do what? |
| 18:45.21 | zephyr | most things |
| 18:45.22 | zephyr | :P |
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| 18:45.40 | zephyr | i cant browse the net because my net is fucked i can only go on irc |
| 18:46.13 | stew | zephyr: what country are you in? |
| 18:46.18 | davoq | dondelelcaro, :( I have installed 2.6.24amd and work |
| 18:46.18 | zephyr | uk |
| 18:46.20 | davoq | but |
| 18:46.20 | zephyr | but the box is in se |
| 18:46.22 | davoq | # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set |
| 18:46.22 | davoq | CONFIG_HZ_250=y |
| 18:46.22 | davoq | # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set |
| 18:46.22 | davoq | # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set |
| 18:46.22 | davoq | CONFIG_HZ=250 |
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| 18:46.29 | davoq | i need 1000 |
| 18:46.38 | n3kl | Mazingaro: try the driver ati. |
| 18:46.54 | Mazingaro | n3kl: was radeon |
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| 18:47.01 | stew | Mazingaro: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:47.26 | n3kl | Mazingaro: so use radeon. Sounds like you know what the problem is and how to fix it. |
| 18:47.31 | rwaite | !nickometer rwaite |
| 18:47.32 | stew | Mazingaro: radeon and ati are interchangable for you, but you shouldn't have to specify either (your original xorg.conf with no driver specified was correct) |
| 18:47.32 | dpkg | 'rwaite' is 0.000% lame, rwaite |
| 18:47.49 | stew | n3kl: he shouldn't use either |
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| 18:48.00 | quieteyes | nickometer?!? |
| 18:48.01 | n3kl | stew: he has no driver in the device section of xorg.conf |
| 18:48.04 | stew | well he should use radeon, but he shouldn't have to specify either |
| 18:48.07 | stew | n3kl: right, that is correct |
| 18:48.10 | n3kl | stew: which should he be using. |
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| 18:48.27 | unsolo | hmm im trying to get https going on apache2 |
| 18:48.29 | stew | n3kl: radeon, which should not require specifying anything in xorg.conf |
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| 18:49.17 | n3kl | stew: but, how would X know what to use then if there is nothing to be specified? |
| 18:49.23 | unsolo | [Fri May 09 04:46:31 2008] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `mail.customweb.no' does NOT match server name!? |
| 18:49.26 | stew | n3kl: it is autodetected |
| 18:49.43 | rwaite | what i want to know if why doesnt dri work with dual monitors |
| 18:49.45 | unsolo | whats up with that ? |
| 18:49.48 | n3kl | stew: ah. Is that a new Xorg feature or something that I have just been missing out on? |
| 18:49.57 | stew | n3kl: its new as of xorg 7.3 |
| 18:50.16 | rwaite | and also, i cannot get opengl working with my intel mobo card |
| 18:50.17 | n3kl | stew: ah. makes sense now |
| 18:50.18 | Mazingaro | stew: cannot paste it too long |
| 18:50.35 | stew | n3kl: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html |
| 18:50.40 | rwaite | glxinfo says drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument) |
| 18:50.52 | rwaite | and then reverting to indirect rendering |
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| 18:51.21 | stew | Mazingaro: can you upload it to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 18:52.00 | n3kl | stew: news to me, thanks. |
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| 18:53.47 | Mazingaro | stew: http://paste.debian.net/2449/ |
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| 18:55.40 | Mazingaro | stew: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask me for video card type or name and it won't setup resolution |
| 18:56.35 | stew | Mazingaro: it shouldnt' need to. this log all looks pretty happy, what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:56.43 | twobitwork | lintian complains about "package-installs-nonbinary-perl-in-usr-lib-perl5" ... but it doesn't seem like any of the other modules in /usr/lib/perl5 are binary... |
| 18:56.58 | Mazingaro | stew |
| 18:57.03 | twobitwork | and I don't see anything in the debian perl police about it... |
| 18:57.33 | Mazingaro | stew: no 1280x1024 resolution, changing it to 1280x1024 force frequency to 60Hz |
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| 18:58.00 | stew | Mazingaro: how are you changing the resolution? does xrandr show the resolution/frequency you need? |
| 18:58.35 | adama | !paste |
| 18:58.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:58.43 | stew | adama: you can /msg the bot |
| 18:59.10 | adama | will do |
| 18:59.10 | stew | Mazingaro: it looks like your monitor was detected as 1280x768 |
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| 19:03.18 | zephyr | is there anything i can use to make my ssh look nice and pretty :P |
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| 19:03.58 | noisesmith | zephyr: run a different terminal emulator? |
| 19:04.08 | zephyr | like... |
| 19:04.09 | n3kl | zephyr: Change the PS1 variable |
| 19:04.18 | n3kl | zephyr: thought that not really ssh, more shell |
| 19:04.21 | n3kl | zephyr: aterm |
| 19:04.25 | n3kl | zephyr: xterm |
| 19:04.33 | zephyr | <- new to linux |
| 19:04.34 | zephyr | lol |
| 19:04.36 | n3kl | zephyr: most of them can look "pretty" |
| 19:04.45 | zephyr | but ive seen one which a hosting company uses |
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| 19:04.49 | zephyr | let me find them |
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| 19:07.17 | noisesmith | zephyr: your hosting companie's ssh is like google's web browser |
| 19:07.22 | zephyr | lol |
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| 19:07.27 | zephyr | nah i want it on my own box |
| 19:07.35 | noisesmith | zephyr: that is the point |
| 19:07.57 | noisesmith | zephyr: it runs in a terminal, if you are the server, you see nothing, the client sees whatever program connects to the server |
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| 19:09.12 | n3kl | zephyr: are you looking for a screenshot to show us or something? What are you trying to do? Make the terminal emulater window look nice? |
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| 19:09.54 | jim | it's helpful to know exactly what you want |
| 19:10.02 | ZootAllures | how can i configure x to have one desktop spanning two displays aside from xinerama? |
| 19:10.15 | n3kl | ZootAllures: what driver? |
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| 19:10.28 | ZootAllures | ati(mach64) and sis |
| 19:10.45 | n3kl | ZootAllures: two cards? |
| 19:10.49 | ZootAllures | yes |
| 19:11.03 | n3kl | ZootAllures: I think you have to use xinerama with two cards, especially of different make |
| 19:11.16 | n3kl | ZootAllures: could be wrong, but I think that is the case |
| 19:11.36 | ZootAllures | :( the only way i have been able to get both displays working is to turn *off* xinerama and turn on acceleration |
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| 19:13.22 | n3kl | ZootAllures: There are several ways to setup xinerma I know, so it seems possible that you have them setup incorrectly. |
| 19:13.25 | dmnd | where can i find agetty? |
| 19:13.26 | dimsuz | hi! any hint why Xorg might constantly take around 60% of cpu here? |
| 19:13.43 | n3kl | dimsuz: wrong driver perhaps? |
| 19:13.55 | dimsuz | n3kl: nvidia. |
| 19:14.06 | valdyn | dimsuz: its some program running inside xorg that is the cause for that load |
| 19:14.08 | Eulex | dimsuz, some application is using Xorg to do rendering? |
| 19:14.20 | ZootAllures | n3kl: what would mergedfb be for? |
| 19:14.22 | dmnd | i cannot find the package agetty is part of |
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| 19:14.25 | n3kl | dimsuz: you using beryl or sometign? |
| 19:14.26 | dimsuz | valdyn: any hint on how to track that programm? |
| 19:14.30 | valdyn | dimsuz: so, find that out by quitting programs, webbrowser first, particularily of theres a flash app |
| 19:14.50 | dimsuz | n3kl: kwin, but i disabled compositing in it |
| 19:14.51 | n3kl | dimsuz: htop |
| 19:15.25 | n3kl | flash is the worst |
| 19:16.29 | dimsuz | hmm. seems that was amarok2. i quit it and now it's about 8-15 % |
| 19:16.42 | n3kl | dimsuz: amarok is a big one |
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| 19:17.04 | dimsuz | n3kl: espesially an unstable one ;) |
| 19:17.27 | jair | guys if I have a machine with: http://paste.debian.net/2450 and I want to grow the sda2, I will need to create an extended partition and then create a new primary partition. or grow the disk using the vmware commands? |
| 19:17.30 | Mazingaro | stew: my monitor worked ok until last xorg update |
| 19:17.35 | jair | this is a virtual machine by the way |
| 19:17.58 | jair | but I think what i need to grow is the "/" file system |
| 19:18.00 | stew | Mazingaro: you can try your xorg.conf from before the upgrade which got renamed xorg.conf.____ where ____ is a date/time |
| 19:18.48 | Mazingaro | stew: but I can use only 60Hz |
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| 19:19.01 | noisesmith | jair: do you know the directory that needs to grow? if so "df ." in that directory will tell you the partition that needs to grow |
| 19:19.03 | stew | Mazingaro: even with your old config? |
| 19:19.07 | stew | Mazingaro: or just with the new config? |
| 19:19.28 | Mazingaro | stew: the old one |
| 19:19.31 | stew | Mazingaro: i assume this is a crt and not an lcd? |
| 19:19.37 | cr3 | is there a way to remove a package which has an issue with the postrm script? I get this error which is preventing me from installing other packages: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:19.39 | Mazingaro | stew: yes |
| 19:19.39 | jair | noisesmith: "/dev/sda2" or "/" |
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| 19:19.54 | n3kl | jair: hmm |
| 19:19.57 | noisesmith | jair: /dev/sda2 is the partition. / is a mount point |
| 19:19.58 | jair | this is a virtual machine and the disk is configured growable |
| 19:19.58 | Mazingaro | stew: but dpkg-reconfigure won't ask me for video card and monitor |
| 19:20.02 | stew | Mazingaro: then you need to specify the refresh rates in xorg.conf, or a modeline |
| 19:20.06 | n3kl | jair: grow the root of a vmware image |
| 19:20.13 | jair | n3kl: correct |
| 19:20.14 | stew | Mazingaro: yes, you'll have to edit xorg.conf by hand |
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| 19:20.25 | jair | noisesmith: yes... so? |
| 19:20.53 | Mazingaro | stew: it's a change in the xorg behavior? |
| 19:21.09 | stew | Mazingaro: yes |
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| 19:22.13 | stew | Mazingaro: xrandr doens't list the resolution/frequency you desire? |
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| 19:22.28 | Mazingaro | stew: xrandr? |
| 19:22.43 | adama | I am having a problem starting X which was previously working fine. xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/vCnCgN88.html Xorg.0.log: http://rafb.net/p/sncpqd30.html |
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| 19:23.01 | n3kl | Wholy crap, everyone has trouble with xorg today |
| 19:23.14 | drewr | What's considered best practice nowadays? KVM or Xen? |
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| 19:23.29 | adama | it was either a recent dist-upgrade or a power outage broke the video card, but it works if I go back to a clone-mode xorg.conf |
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| 19:23.39 | stew | Mazingaro: yes, xrandr |
| 19:23.47 | zephyr | ok how wud i customize my cmd promt |
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| 19:24.02 | n3kl | zephyr: google custom ps1 bash |
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| 19:24.14 | noisesmith | zephyr: look at the manual page for your shell, and change your PS1 variable |
| 19:24.24 | Mazingaro | stew: it can't open display |
| 19:24.29 | n3kl | zephyr: PS1 is an environmental variable you can change in your bash profile. |
| 19:24.40 | Mazingaro | stew: I'm on console now, X totally screwed |
| 19:24.49 | noisesmith | zephyr: try logging into that provider you mentioned and typing "echo $PS1" using that will give you the identical prompt |
| 19:25.12 | noisesmith | zephyr: I mean the hosting provider you mentioned |
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| 19:25.24 | n3kl | zephyr: then put that in ~/.bashrc and it will remain the same next time you log in |
| 19:25.30 | stew | adama: you are running testing? |
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| 19:25.54 | stew | Mazingaro: how is X totally screwed? do you get an error? |
| 19:26.00 | noisesmith | zephyr: actually you may just want to copy the whole .profile .bashrc and .login from that site |
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| 19:26.28 | Mazingaro | stew: it could not find device |
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| 19:26.36 | Mazingaro | stew: video card |
| 19:28.02 | jair | can I extend a file system "/" "/dev/sda2" on a linux system? I know it could be done, but any recommendation? |
| 19:28.29 | n3kl | jair: livecd. What filesystem? |
| 19:28.38 | stew | Mazingaro: show me your current xorg.conf |
| 19:28.47 | n3kl | jair: ext3 has to be unmounted iirc before you can extend the volume. |
| 19:28.48 | jair | n3kl: "/" |
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| 19:28.52 | jair | ohhh |
| 19:28.54 | jair | ext3 |
| 19:28.56 | jair | so sorry |
| 19:28.59 | n3kl | jair: right |
| 19:29.06 | jair | n3kl: ext3 |
| 19:29.13 | Mazingaro | stew: I'm changing it |
| 19:29.20 | jair | noisesmith: the FS is ext3 |
| 19:29.23 | x0rg62 | shut |
| 19:29.31 | jair | n3kl: I will try gparted |
| 19:29.35 | jair | live cd |
| 19:29.43 | x0rg62 | fdisk rocks |
| 19:30.20 | n3kl | fdisk does rock the shizzle |
| 19:30.43 | adama | stew: yes I do believe so. testing |
| 19:30.52 | Mazingaro | stew: now X startx, but no 1280x1024 then there are flashing black stripes on the video |
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| 19:33.32 | stew | adama: you haven't upgaraded your kernel in over a year though? |
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| 19:33.37 | stew | Mazingaro: show me your current xorg.conf |
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| 19:33.46 | Mazingaro | stew: ok |
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| 19:34.32 | n3kl | jair: I would first make a backup. Then I would take notes on the block locations of the information in fdisk, then I would extend the vm disk image, then boot the image and fdisk, compare the vaules. If the values have changed, I check the size of the partition, if the values have not changed, see if fdisk will let you extend the partition. Then you should be able to unmount the disk, and extend the volume |
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| 19:34.42 | fengor | X again? may i joinin with a few questions stew? |
| 19:34.43 | Mazingaro | stew: http://paste.debian.net/2453/ |
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| 19:34.53 | adama | stew: could be *blush |
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| 19:35.38 | stew | Mazingaro: you'll have to specify refresh/sync rates and/or a modeline in the monitor section |
| 19:35.42 | lymeca_ | I'm running amd64 sid with 2.6.25 and I'm trying to install fglrx onto it using the fglrx-kernel-source package and running "module-assistant a-i fglrx", however the compile proces quits with errors. Should I be doing something differently to install this driver? |
| 19:35.53 | humbolto | I have a really weird routing problem. Unfortunately it does not really involve a debian based device but rather a openwrt router. Would still anyone be interested in helping me to fix this? |
| 19:35.56 | Mazingaro | stew: I didn't recall them for my monitor |
| 19:36.03 | stew | Mazingaro: i'd start by just specifying the refresh/sync rates (as you'd need those to generate a modeline anyway) |
| 19:36.05 | Mazingaro | stew: It's a 17'' monitor |
| 19:36.17 | humbolto | The OpenWRT channel is rather non-technical. |
| 19:36.18 | n3kl | humbolto: you might try #dd-wrt |
| 19:36.24 | xand | humbolto: there's an openwrt channel, as well as ##networking |
| 19:36.36 | stew | humbolto: there is also #wireless |
| 19:36.45 | dustybin | is there a way to get server messages sent as a SMS to ones phone? i live in UK ? |
| 19:36.47 | n3kl | humbolto: er, is openwrt and dd-wrt different? |
| 19:36.51 | humbolto | does not have much to do with wireless. |
| 19:37.00 | humbolto | n3kl: yes |
| 19:37.04 | fengor | Mazingaro: you can generate modeliens with the gtf utility: gtf width heigth frequency for example: gtf 1280 1024 75 |
| 19:37.15 | n3kl | dustybin: you will need a phone plugged into a computer to be able to send the sms messages |
| 19:37.18 | Mazingaro | fengor: wow thanks |
| 19:37.20 | n3kl | dustybin: I think |
| 19:37.34 | stew | Mazingaro: look them up |
| 19:37.36 | dustybin | for instance, imagine there was a powercut, id like my home server to send a sms message to my mobile phone |
| 19:37.36 | fengor | no problem i was myself at that step yesterday. |
| 19:37.47 | dustybin | **warning powercut in progress** |
| 19:37.56 | dustybin | etc |
| 19:38.10 | n3kl | dustybin: if there were a power cut, would your internet be up? |
| 19:38.10 | dustybin | **warning: intruder alert** |
| 19:38.13 | stew | Mazingaro: or try your previously working xorg.conf, if you haven't already |
| 19:38.21 | dustybin | n3kl: not with my APC no |
| 19:38.22 | humbolto | Is there an option in the linux kernel to not route packages that seem to belong to another party on the same subnet? |
| 19:38.28 | abrotman | dustybin: probably end more like "po#@$)(*FLSKJ:R#" |
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| 19:38.43 | themill | !dbugs 476884 |
| 19:38.46 | humbolto | on a subnet I am connected to? |
| 19:38.47 | dpkg | DONE:#476884:W[auth2db] [INTL:fi] Finnish translation of the debconf templates; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:57:02 UTC |
| 19:38.48 | themill | lymeca_: ^^ |
| 19:38.49 | dustybin | surely there are some free SMS web services out there? |
| 19:38.58 | themill | errr |
| 19:39.00 | dustybin | maybe there is a linux way to send information to those |
| 19:39.04 | Mazingaro | stew: it didn't work |
| 19:39.05 | themill | !dbugs 476844 |
| 19:39.08 | dpkg | #476844:G[fglrx-kernel-src] Won't build with 2.6.25; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:00:01 UTC |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | dustybin: FWIW, my cell phone company lets me email stuff to my phone |
| 19:39.10 | themill | lymeca_: ^^ |
| 19:39.11 | n3kl | dustybin: I think there are ways to use an old phone plugged into your computer to send sms to the phone you cary, but that will require two phone bills, I think |
| 19:39.19 | Mazingaro | stew: my last working config DON'T WORK ANYMORE |
| 19:39.24 | abrotman | doesn't |
| 19:39.24 | stew | Mazingaro: why not? |
| 19:39.28 | dustybin | n3kl: hmm ok |
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| 19:39.42 | Mazingaro | stew: here again: 1280x1024 at 60Hz |
| 19:40.00 | abrotman | dustybin: i just send to <phone#>@cellphone.com .. and it shows up a few minutes later |
| 19:40.02 | stew | Mazingaro: does xrandr show the resolution/frequency you desire? |
| 19:40.11 | abrotman | dustybin: and no .. "cellphone.com" is not real |
| 19:40.13 | Mazingaro | stew: where? |
| 19:40.16 | abrotman | well .. not my cell phone provider |
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| 19:40.29 | stew | Mazingaro: when you run "xrandr" |
| 19:40.35 | dustybin | heres a fine example of a free service: www.sendatxt.co.uk |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | okay .. ignore me .. whatever |
| 19:40.46 | dustybin | if there are free service, cant one make use of them |
| 19:40.56 | jair | n3kl: I have the backup already |
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| 19:41.06 | n3kl | jair: good work |
| 19:41.17 | jair | n3kl: but I was thinking that gparted will do that for me ? |
| 19:41.21 | Mazingaro | stew: yes, but asterisk is on 1280x768 60Hz :( |
| 19:42.12 | fengor | my current xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1011922 , my current Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/1011924 my modelines i added with xrandr http://pastebin.ca/1011926 my problem at resolutions higher than 1280x1024 http://imagebin.ca/view/7CVoQ2.html |
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| 19:42.24 | n3kl | dustybin: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/939/sms_email_cingular_nextel_sprint_tmobile_verizon_virgin |
| 19:42.27 | fengor | Did i generate the modelines wrong? anyone has a pointer where to start looking? |
| 19:42.33 | n3kl | dustybin: I think that is what abrotman is talking about |
| 19:42.40 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
| 19:42.42 | fengor | Mazingaro: try xrandr -s 1280x1024 if it shows up in the xrandr lsit |
| 19:42.49 | dmnd | im looking for agetty, but i cannot find it? anyone who knows where it is? im using Etch |
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| 19:42.51 | abrotman | i'm not crazy! |
| 19:42.57 | n3kl | we know |
| 19:42.59 | DeFirence | hi all |
| 19:43.37 | jair | n3kl: I am booting the machine using gparted live |
| 19:44.03 | Mazingaro | fengor: ok it worked |
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| 19:44.29 | DeFirence | how hard would it be to setup debian that: it connects to many pppoe connections, and acts like a proxy that connections on a certain port go out through a certain pppoe connection? |
| 19:44.53 | jair | n3kl: using gparted to see |
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| 19:44.57 | n3kl | jair: k |
| 19:45.06 | n3kl | jair: never used gparted before |
| 19:45.24 | Mazingaro | fengor: to save that configuration? |
| 19:45.28 | n3kl | DeFirence: dunno about the pppoe connections, but iptables would be able to mangle your traffic |
| 19:46.06 | DeFirence | how hard will it be for me to setup iptables to do that? |
| 19:46.10 | fengor | Mazingaro: you would have to add that modeline to xorg.conf. man xorg.conf should help you. i havent added my modelines yet since 2 out of 3 dont work correctly yet |
| 19:46.19 | DeFirence | i know almost nothing about iptables |
| 19:46.37 | Mazingaro | fengor: I added the modeline, but didn't work |
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| 19:46.50 | n3kl | DeFirence: might be a good time to learn |
| 19:46.59 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 19:46.59 | n3kl | DeFirence: for what reason are you doing this? Sounds neat. |
| 19:47.19 | n3kl | DeFirence: iptables is not hard if you understand what a packet is and does. |
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| 19:47.41 | DeFirence | i want to make multiple connections to an nntp server going out and in through different connections |
| 19:47.51 | DeFirence | since theres a limit of 5 connections per ip |
| 19:48.23 | Mazingaro | fengor: :( |
| 19:49.01 | n3kl | DeFirence: you are almost talking about link aggregation or load ballancing, which is a little more difficult |
| 19:49.15 | DeFirence | no no |
| 19:49.20 | DeFirence | all i want is: |
| 19:50.00 | DeFirence | i set my pc to connect to port 1000 on the debian box, and it forwards all traffic on port 1000 through ppp1 |
| 19:50.06 | stew | Mazingaro: what is the modeline you added? |
| 19:50.29 | DeFirence | and all traffic on port 119 of ppp1 it sends to port 1000 or something like that |
| 19:50.30 | n3kl | DeFirence: sure, thats not too hard. |
| 19:50.47 | DeFirence | you think you could help me set it up? |
| 19:50.50 | DeFirence | :) |
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| 19:50.57 | Mazingaro | stew: # 1280x1024 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 80.17 kHz; pclk: 138.54 MHz |
| 19:50.57 | Mazingaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.58 | n3kl | DeFirence: there, all you need to learn is how to convert that to iptables |
| 19:51.06 | Mazingaro | stew: ok, ok |
| 19:51.18 | Mazingaro | stew: I've to select it |
| 19:51.21 | Mazingaro | stew: right |
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| 19:51.41 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 19:51.42 | DeFirence | ok |
| 19:52.17 | Mazingaro | stew: it works! |
| 19:52.28 | Mazingaro | stew, fengor: thank you very much |
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| 19:53.27 | n3kl | DeFirence: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i <source interface> -s <source ip> -p tcp --dport 1000 -j DNAT <dest IP> |
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| 19:53.57 | n3kl | DeFirence: then you will need some masquerade rules and some forward rules, but that would do it. Another place it ask where the iptables masters live is in #iptables |
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| 19:54.34 | DeFirence | alright thanks |
| 19:54.45 | DeFirence | im going to install debian on a box now |
| 19:54.54 | DeFirence | and then i'll start trying |
| 19:54.55 | DeFirence | :) |
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| 19:56.12 | noisesmith | anyone know an easy way to switch my mouse x and y to work with a rotated xrandr? I like my screen better sideways, but I want my mouse to agree |
| 19:57.37 | Flinx | Hi! Have problem in debian: to resolve host wget take 20sec, but curl or nslookup working <1sec . How can this be? |
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| 19:59.40 | Flinx | for example command `wget www.google.com` is running 20 sec |
| 20:00.01 | chops | Flinx: You can run it under strace to find out what operation is running slowly |
| 20:00.02 | Flinx | but `curl www.google.com` is running 1 sec |
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| 20:00.56 | Flinx | chops: i did it already. But i'm not strong in system calls. If i will post somewhere output can you look on it? |
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| 20:01.03 | Quag7 | I have a production system in limbo right now because of an error I keep getting with apache - an upgrade failed (my ssh connection died in the middle of a config script), and now everything I do to try to get apache to install gives me a "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" |
| 20:01.17 | Quag7 | Sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:01.27 | chops | Flinx: Sure. The most helpful thing will be to run it, wait until it stalls (which presumably it should; I would expect that it's a single call that takes most of those 20 seconds), and then break it and post the output up until where it was broken |
| 20:01.27 | Quag7 | Is there something I can clean out to make this work? |
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| 20:01.33 | pinto3 | try reading the dpkg manpage |
| 20:01.45 | pinto3 | look at the --force stuff sections, there's probably something there |
| 20:01.47 | keith4 | Quag7: doesn't it *tell* you how to fix it? |
| 20:01.48 | chops | Quag7: Can you pastebin the full output of dpkg |
| 20:01.53 | chops | pinto3: No no no |
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| 20:02.05 | Quag7 | no it doesn't give me that usual "try x"...One sec I'll pastebin |
| 20:02.18 | chops | pinto3: Running around with --force is one of the worst things you can do to a Debian system if you have problems you don't quite understand |
| 20:02.41 | pinto3 | it's pretty self-explainatory |
| 20:03.13 | Quag7 | http://pastebin.com/d444d0552 <- pastebin |
| 20:04.53 | pinto3 | ok, sry, i just replied with the place i'd look to fix the problem first |
| 20:05.19 | Quag7 | I've tried removing the package with apt-get and then re-installing it, even. |
| 20:05.23 | Quag7 | same issue unfortunately |
| 20:05.32 | chops | Quag7: You can look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst; running it by hand (with the 'configure' argument) should do exactly what dpkg is doing. If you examine the file, run sections of it by hand as root, and maybe comment parts of it out to see what's working and what isn't you may be able to sort out what went wrong and fix it. |
| 20:05.47 | Quag7 | thanks, I will have a look |
| 20:06.26 | chops | Quag7: Once you've got it to work by hand (and sorted out what went wrong -- just commenting it all out without understanding is likely to leave you with a broken apache), dpkg should be able to use it too, at which point your problem may go away |
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| 20:08.15 | Flinx | chops: Ok. Here is strace output for wget www.google.com: http://pastebin.com/d35f50805 |
| 20:08.21 | zephyr | where can dotfiles.some be found? |
| 20:08.37 | n3kl | zephyr: ls -a ~/ |
| 20:08.38 | noisesmith | zephyr: cd home; ls -a |
| 20:09.12 | chops | Flinx: Looks like you've got a dead DNS server on 192.168.1.254 to me |
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| 20:10.02 | chops | Flinx: If that's your router, perhaps the trusty "unplug it and plug it back in" solution is in order |
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| 20:10.12 | Quag7 | Does anywhere know where I can get a list of what "error exit status 10" means? |
| 20:10.16 | Flinx | chops: Hmm.... I thought about it... Seems like i should to configure DNS properly in my network |
| 20:10.18 | petur_ | Anyone here, by change, into bodybuilding/fitness sports? |
| 20:10.24 | n3kl | Quag7: in what package |
| 20:10.36 | noisesmith | Quag7: for what program? |
| 20:10.40 | Quag7 | this is in apache, but it occurs with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:10.48 | Quag7 | IOW reconfiguring apache |
| 20:10.54 | Flinx | chops: Ok, thanks! will try. Btw, where is win xp getting DNS server ip? |
| 20:11.12 | chops | Flinx: From DHCP maybe? |
| 20:11.14 | Flinx | chops: Because xp in same network returning pages faster |
| 20:11.35 | n3kl | Flinx: iptables /all will tell you |
| 20:11.37 | Flinx | chops: No, in DHCP there is no DNS set |
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| 20:11.40 | chops | Flinx: Well, it looks like the DNS server is working intermittently. |
| 20:11.42 | n3kl | Flinx: er ipconfig /all |
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| 20:12.00 | Flinx | chops: Thanks for advices! :) |
| 20:12.00 | chops | Flinx: In that case look in the control panel for which servers are manually configured |
| 20:12.03 | chops | Flinx: np |
| 20:12.11 | stew | petur_: is this somehow related to debian? |
| 20:13.01 | Quag7 | ugh, even with apache purged, all of its config files gone, it still gives me this error.. |
| 20:13.19 | stew | Quag7: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:13.20 | n3kl | Quag7: what is "it" |
| 20:13.30 | n3kl | Quag7: listen to stew |
| 20:13.52 | chops | stew: He shut down during a dpkg operation and now apache.postinst --configure is busted |
| 20:14.30 | noisesmith | stew: he pasted it before, no helpful info |
| 20:15.07 | Quag7 | I just wish there was something better than "exit status 10." Google gives me links to very old dpkg bugs, but this is not very old. |
| 20:15.11 | Quag7 | hm |
| 20:15.27 | chops | Quag7: dpkg is not supposed to work if you shut down your machine in the middle of it doing its work; that's not a dpkg bug. |
| 20:15.45 | stew | Quag7: you are installing apache for the first time? or upgrading? |
| 20:16.01 | noisesmith | stew: this is a purge followed by reinstall |
| 20:16.18 | Quag7 | Upgrading. I was doing a routine apt-get upgrade to a remote system about 2500 miles away. My cable connection died on the configure screen |
| 20:16.22 | Quag7 | severing my ssh connection |
| 20:16.30 | zephyr | where can i get a list of src's? |
| 20:16.39 | Quag7 | Just bad luck |
| 20:16.43 | keith4 | Quag7: maybe you'll look into using "screen" now? |
| 20:16.43 | stew | Quag7: do you know which version you are upgrading from? |
| 20:16.50 | n3kl | zephyr: depends on what sources you want |
| 20:17.05 | Quag7 | 1.3 something, to 1.34. |
| 20:17.08 | n3kl | zephyr: if you have a specific need for a piece of software, chances are that there is a deb source for it. |
| 20:17.08 | Quag7 | It's definitely the 1.x series |
| 20:17.14 | Quag7 | Which actually raised an interesting question |
| 20:17.21 | Quag7 | I wonder if I just made the upgrade to apache2 |
| 20:17.24 | Quag7 | if that would bypass this issue |
| 20:17.31 | zephyr | no just for apt-get update etc |
| 20:17.32 | Quag7 | (because I really dont care; it serves a flat basic html web) |
| 20:17.44 | themill | zephyr: apt-cache showsrc packagename; apt-get source packagename. See also packages.debian.org. |
| 20:17.53 | n3kl | zephyr: you can look on google for sources.list examples, but I would build them by hand. Also, olook at the debian mirrors page on teh site |
| 20:18.05 | stew | Quag7: you are upgrading from sarge to etch? or doing etch security upgrades? |
| 20:18.10 | zephyr | okie |
| 20:18.15 | Quag7 | security upgrades. |
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| 20:18.44 | blakez | what is the difference between 40 and 40r3? |
| 20:18.48 | blakez | should i download the new ISO? |
| 20:18.57 | stew | Quag7: show us the output of "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst configure 1.3.34-4.1" |
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| 20:19.06 | SerajewelKS | what does it mean when the Hardware_ECC_Recovered and Seek_Error_Rate values in smartctl output are climing at an astronomical rate, but everything else seems ok? |
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| 20:19.24 | keith4 | blakez: you should probably use the netinst iso |
| 20:19.28 | PeterFA | How do I unlock the dpkg database? |
| 20:19.30 | keith4 | 40r3 is "release 3" |
| 20:19.37 | SerajewelKS | PeterFA: kill the process that has it locked |
| 20:19.40 | PeterFA | Adept crashed and left it locked. |
| 20:19.48 | noisesmith | PeterFA: quit whatever program is using itr |
| 20:19.48 | blakez | keith4: that clears up nothing |
| 20:20.02 | keith4 | SerajewelKS: it means back up your disk |
| 20:20.03 | blakez | keith4: what are the essential differences? |
| 20:20.09 | webPragmatist | anyone ever installed php-pear ? |
| 20:20.12 | PeterFA | noisesmith, lsof returns nothing on the files it mentioned during apt-get install something. |
| 20:20.22 | Quag7 | http://pastebin.com/m6db7d813 <- pastebin with apache.postinst output |
| 20:20.28 | keith4 | blakez: the difference is that if you install from an older release of 4.0, you'll just have more security updates to install |
| 20:20.31 | webPragmatist | i am just wondering if i have to do anything special... or if it is supposed to show up in phpinfo() |
| 20:20.33 | noisesmith | PeterFA: the database is locked if any program is using the database |
| 20:20.33 | chops | blakez: Mostly security updates |
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| 20:20.53 | blakez | ahhh, ok |
| 20:20.55 | noisesmith | PeterFA: so you cannot run aptitude as root twice, for example, or apt-get and aptitude at the same time |
| 20:21.00 | pinto3 | try looking for a .lock file in /var |
| 20:21.02 | PeterFA | noisesmith, then I must be wrong which file is the database. |
| 20:21.04 | zephyr | how wud i add color to my ssh terlmin |
| 20:21.09 | blakez | so it's like having an xp sp2 disk vs a regular xp disk |
| 20:21.09 | zephyr | like |
| 20:21.12 | SerajewelKS | keith4: interestingly if i reboot then it's ok for a few hours |
| 20:21.14 | blakez | it just has the update already on it |
| 20:21.29 | PeterFA | noisesmith, Adept is totally not running. |
| 20:21.33 | zephyr | <name@hostname> ls |
| 20:21.34 | zephyr | etc |
| 20:21.34 | keith4 | blakez: sort of |
| 20:21.37 | PeterFA | noisesmith, I'm really sure nothing is using the database. |
| 20:21.58 | blakez | when will the next version of debian be coming out? |
| 20:21.58 | zephyr | but make it all look good not just the <name@hostname> |
| 20:21.58 | SerajewelKS | blakez: when they release it |
| 20:21.58 | keith4 | !lenny |
| 20:21.58 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 20:22.01 | noisesmith | PeterFA: then you are looking for a .lock file like pinto3 said |
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| 20:22.04 | PeterFA | pinto3, if I see it, do I remove it? |
| 20:22.10 | blakez | .voteban SerajewelKS |
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| 20:22.20 | SerajewelKS | !lose blakez |
| 20:22.21 | dpkg | blakez: You Lose. |
| 20:22.33 | keith4 | voteban? that's a good one |
| 20:22.35 | blakez | SerajewelKS is a slinking jew who lost his family to the ovens |
| 20:22.38 | pinto3 | yeah, it's just there for other software to check for i think |
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| 20:22.45 | Quag7 | You know, I'm looking in /var/cache/debconf, and I notice there is a file called passwords.dat - I don't know what this does but I notice it is zero bytes. The other dat files are not empty. |
| 20:22.54 | SerajewelKS | !ops blakez obvious |
| 20:22.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: serajewelks complains about: blakez obvious |
| 20:22.55 | PeterFA | find /var -name '.lock' <-- silence. |
| 20:23.16 | blakez | !ops SerajewelKS racist troll |
| 20:23.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: blakez complains about: SerajewelKS racist troll |
| 20:23.22 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: you want Hardware ECC Recovered to be big |
| 20:23.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
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| 20:23.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 20:23.36 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: ok, i'm assuming not seek error |
| 20:23.45 | PeterFA | A lot of troll problems? |
| 20:23.56 | noisesmith | PeterFA: check out /var/lock |
| 20:24.19 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: right... is it a Seagate by any chance? |
| 20:24.25 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: there are quite a few self-tests in the log that seem to have failed, the all have the same LBA_of_first_error |
| 20:24.27 | stew | PeterFA: you'd probably want to stay away from adept for a while. see #464340 |
| 20:24.33 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: maxtor |
| 20:24.38 | PeterFA | noisesmith, one entry for apache2. |
| 20:24.53 | PeterFA | stew, where do I look up that number? debian.org? |
| 20:25.01 | themill | PeterFA: http://bugs.debian.org/464340 |
| 20:25.04 | keith4 | !bts |
| 20:25.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 20:25.26 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: Seek Error Rate isn't a critical attribute, but the self-test failures are not good |
| 20:25.28 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: my sda is a hitachi and it's fine |
| 20:25.34 | PeterFA | themill, stew, thanks for the warning. |
| 20:25.36 | craigevil | PeterFA: adept is rather buggy, heck its so buggy its not even in Sid |
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| 20:26.13 | PeterFA | craigevil, no kidding. |
| 20:26.15 | keith4 | wow.. adept is only in etch and... experimental? wtf? |
| 20:26.17 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: hrm, i hope this is still under warranty |
| 20:26.28 | PeterFA | craigevil, why does Canonical publish it? |
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| 20:26.46 | craigevil | PeterFA: ubuntu has lots of apps that are crap |
| 20:26.48 | quieteyes | !submit |
| 20:27.02 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: is Reallocated Sector Count or Uncorrectable Sector Count non-zero? |
| 20:27.28 | PeterFA | craigevil, I'm beginning to see that. I am using Kubuntu Hardy right now. I'm only here because I can't get advice in the Canonical channels. |
| 20:27.29 | quieteyes | PeterFA: Debian - <QA> + <BleedingEdge> = Ubuntu |
| 20:27.40 | craigevil | apt-cache policy adept Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) |
| 20:28.28 | Quag7 | stew: I really appreciate your constructive and helpful attitude. As I am under extreme time pressure, I have decided to just upgrade to apache2, which worked. As much as I would like to unravel this knot in an ordered fashion and repair what went wrong, I don't have the time in this instance (which is rare). Anyway thank you very much for your help; I do appreciate it. |
| 20:28.29 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: reallocated is, i don't see an uncorrected one |
| 20:28.48 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: shall i just pastebin? |
| 20:28.52 | PeterFA | One thing I liked about Gentoo is that they made sure you went out of your way to get the unstable packages. |
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| 20:29.06 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: sure... non-zero for the reallocated count is usually a bad sign |
| 20:29.10 | PeterFA | Onething that helps is that you knew where you were doing if you really did get the unstable package. |
| 20:29.12 | \amethyst | especially if it's increasing |
| 20:29.24 | PeterFA | Because you were smart enough to add ~x86. |
| 20:30.08 | craigevil | PeterFA: if you want Debian Sid but not the way ubuntu does it take a look at sidux or install lenny |
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| 20:30.23 | PeterFA | craigevil, hmm... |
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| 20:30.27 | Flinx | chops: Weird, winxp have exactly same dns server setting up and working perfect. I reconnected router - still same problem :( |
| 20:30.28 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i notice the seek error going up especially when i'm loading a large amount of data from the disk. sometimes the application will load *VERY* slowly, which makes me think that the drive just can't manage to seek to the right place. |
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| 20:30.51 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: btw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. has a list and description of the attributes |
| 20:30.56 | kgod | Debian amd-64 lenny: konqueror doesn't have a search plugin for the location bar. What do I need? |
| 20:31.07 | craigevil | kgod: kio-locate |
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| 20:31.10 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: http://www.pastebin.ca/1011991 |
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| 20:31.24 | Mazingaro | stew: I lost DRI :( |
| 20:31.32 | stew | Quag7: sorry, i left you hanging. that paste from the command you showed me was complete? if so, it sounds like maybe the debconf database got messed up? |
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| 20:31.53 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: reallocated sector count there is zero |
| 20:31.56 | kgod | craigevil: Thanks. |
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| 20:32.09 | Quag7 | stew: That is, sadly, complete. It does look like debconf 's database is unhappy. |
| 20:32.10 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: yeah, that's what i said |
| 20:32.30 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i'm wondering if it's temperature-related |
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| 20:32.42 | Quag7 | stew: I hope this doesn't start some kind of chain reaction of corruption. Nevertheless apache2 did install, I purged apache1, and will reconfigure for apache2 for now, even though I fully understand this is not optimal. |
| 20:32.53 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: no, the termparatures look fine (lifetime max of 39) |
| 20:33.05 | danh_ | hello i have a package removal problem, how do fix this? thanks. http://pastebin.com/m391c461c |
| 20:33.10 | stew | Quag7: well, one way of looking at it is that you were going to have to do this upgrade to apache2 before long... |
| 20:33.12 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: yes but i mean i wonder if by defect the disk has a lower tolerance than it should |
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| 20:33.33 | Quag7 | stew: Yes, this is not at all a big deal for me to upgrade to apache2. I don't care either way which version runs, so, no big deal. |
| 20:33.40 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: possibly... seek errors can be caused by thermal expansion of the disk |
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| 20:33.50 | stew | Quag7: if i were looking to fix debconf db, i'd start with 'man 7 debconf' and 'man 7 debconf-devel', i don't know off the top of my head |
| 20:33.57 | PeterFA | craigevil, is Lenny a Debian derivative that's apart from Debian? |
| 20:34.23 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: it's not a huge deal except when i'm playing a game and it loads crap. what should take 10-30 seconds to load takes 5 minutes sometimes and servers kick me off. |
| 20:34.26 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: note that those three self-test errors are from at least 10 days ago |
| 20:34.38 | stew | PeterFA: lenny is the current version of 'debian testing' it well be the next version of debian stable, to replace etch |
| 20:34.39 | Quag7 | stew: I will have a look when I am done, definitely. This is the first time in about 6 years I've had a "catastrophic" problem with Debian so that says a lot about the distribution I think. The timing of this problem is just particularly painful in this case. |
| 20:34.43 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: yes but their results are not that different from some tests i ran 6 months ago |
| 20:34.53 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: on the same drive? |
| 20:35.07 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:35.16 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: oh, they are probably the results for six months ago.. look at the LifeTime column |
| 20:35.24 | PeterFA | stew, oh, it's the name of a release. |
| 20:35.32 | PeterFA | stew, is this a desktop based release? |
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| 20:35.43 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: unlikely, i leave this box on most of the time so i'd expect those hours to be pretty close to realtime |
| 20:35.48 | PeterFA | stew, I thought Debian was like Gentoo, it's about what you install and configure it to dol |
| 20:35.51 | PeterFA | stew, to do* |
| 20:36.11 | PeterFA | stew, that is, it boots and leaves you with a package manager. |
| 20:36.23 | stew | PeterFA: debian doesn't have separate desktop and server releases. just stable releases |
| 20:36.38 | Mazingaro | this xorg release it's a mess |
| 20:36.41 | PeterFA | stew, so it's like the Gentoo paradigm? |
| 20:37.23 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: interestingly it hasn't done this for a while, and now it's spring |
| 20:37.40 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: warmer temperatures. that reinforces my hypothesis that it's a temperature thing. |
| 20:38.01 | stew | PeterFA: yes. but debian makes 'releases' where it has determined a set of packages and versions of those packages which should work well together, and then doens't change these for the lifetime of the release except to fix security bugs and rarely bugs that make some piece of the software unusable, otherwise everything remains constant, hence the 'stable' moniker |
| 20:38.27 | PeterFA | stew, oh. |
| 20:38.40 | PeterFA | stew, in Gentoo, you struggle a bit. |
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| 20:39.24 | PeterFA | stew, that's why Debian is so stable. |
| 20:39.26 | SerajewelKS | stable is living in a building that is finished being built. testing is living in a building that is undergoing expansion construction. and unstable is living on the rafters while they build it around you. |
| 20:39.41 | SerajewelKS | experimental is living on the beam that they're currently installing with their crane. |
| 20:39.52 | PeterFA | SerajewelKS, good analogy. |
| 20:40.00 | stew | PeterFA: so when new software is made available by debian developers, it goes into the 'unstable' release. after some period of time, if that version meets certain criteria, the package is moved to 'testing'. at some point, they start freezing the packages in testing, and when all of the 'release critical' bugs are gone, 'testing' (currently named lenny) gets released as 'stable' |
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| 20:40.50 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: so i guess my fix for right now is to turn the AC up and see if it goes away |
| 20:40.59 | dmnd | when i enable my serial consoles i get this message from the kernel: SysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot Crashdump tErm Full kIll saK showMem Nice powerOff showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount |
| 20:41.04 | PeterFA | stew, oh, so I can go ahead and install every package that's marked as non-conflicting and it should just work? |
| 20:41.06 | dmnd | what does this mean? :) |
| 20:41.26 | \amethyst | dmnd: that's the magic sysrq menu |
| 20:41.27 | catsup | dmnd: your serial console is sending a spurious BRK |
| 20:41.33 | catsup | which brings up the magic sysrq menu |
| 20:41.36 | dmnd | how do i turn this off? |
| 20:41.39 | dmnd | :) |
| 20:41.41 | stew | PeterFA: yes, and the pacakge managers would prevent you from installing conflicting packages |
| 20:41.54 | catsup | either fix your serial console, or, uh, change the magic key? or set it to something else? |
| 20:42.02 | PeterFA | stew, ok, that's cool. That's one thing I ran into with Gentoo. |
| 20:42.02 | SerajewelKS | or use a keyboard? |
| 20:42.07 | dmnd | how do i disable that sysreq key |
| 20:42.08 | catsup | actually there might be some kernel option to deal with broken terminals, because it's a common problem |
| 20:42.15 | \amethyst | PeterFA: when you get up to 7000 packages installed, dpkg becomes a little slow :) |
| 20:42.20 | PeterFA | stew, in RedHat and Fedora, I ran into complete failures. |
| 20:42.27 | dmnd | it took me a while |
| 20:42.31 | noisesmith | dmnd: sounds like a misconfigured sysrqd |
| 20:42.33 | dmnd | google didnt show anything usefull |
| 20:42.44 | PeterFA | stew, if it took say, more than like 8 or so dependencies, it just gave up. |
| 20:43.00 | PeterFA | stew, I liked Gentoo because it wouldn't choke like that. |
| 20:43.02 | \amethyst | noisesmith: why do you think sysrqd is involved at all? |
| 20:43.02 | dmnd | but i cannot turn this menu off or ? |
| 20:43.13 | catsup | dmnd: it's a kernel option |
| 20:43.31 | PeterFA | I hate the sysreq menu because I don't know how to exit it. |
| 20:43.34 | PeterFA | It's really irritating. |
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| 20:43.37 | \amethyst | dmnd: echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq |
| 20:43.38 | dmnd | i saw it in the menu's.. but im using the debian kernel with vserver |
| 20:43.42 | PeterFA | I've rebooted on accident too. |
| 20:43.58 | \amethyst | PeterFA: you don't need to do anything to exit it... just stop pressing alt-sysrq :) |
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| 20:44.17 | PeterFA | \amethyst, ? Something must have been wrong. |
| 20:44.26 | dmnd | \amethyst: where do i add that in debian for permanent usage? :) |
| 20:44.27 | PeterFA | \amethyst, anyways, so what does the basic Lenny install look like? |
| 20:44.31 | catsup | \amethyst: that won't turn it off at boot |
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| 20:44.54 | Dexter_F | hi |
| 20:45.07 | Dexter_F | can I use UUIDs in fstab in etch? |
| 20:45.16 | catsup | um, debian kernels don't have sysrq enabled do they? |
| 20:45.19 | SerajewelKS | Dexter_F: pretty sure yes |
| 20:45.41 | dmnd | catsup: they have apparently |
| 20:45.42 | dmnd | :) |
| 20:46.40 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: god is DoSing me! |
| 20:46.47 | dmnd | catsup: it's a vserver kernel im using tho |
| 20:46.56 | \amethyst | catsup: I think they do |
| 20:47.06 | catsup | dmnd: i don't understand... |
| 20:47.23 | catsup | dmnd: if it's a virtual server, is it a virtual serial port? |
| 20:47.25 | dmnd | catsup: i installed a kernel available in debian Etch which has vserver support |
| 20:47.38 | stew | Dexter_F: yes |
| 20:47.49 | catsup | because if it's a virtual serial port, then fixing your virtual serial terminal is probably the best option |
| 20:47.56 | \amethyst | dmnd: to make it permanent, add kernel.sysrq = 0 to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:47.58 | dmnd | its not virtual serial port |
| 20:48.07 | dmnd | \amethyst: that's what i was looking for thanks |
| 20:48.12 | catsup | \amethyst: that won't work, becaues the broken terminal will produce the brk during boot |
| 20:48.18 | catsup | before sysctl runs |
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| 20:49.02 | dmnd | catsup: how do i fix this then? :) |
| 20:49.19 | Quag7 | phew back online |
| 20:49.23 | \amethyst | catsup: can you pass sysctl settings on the kernel command line? |
| 20:49.33 | catsup | \amethyst: no |
| 20:49.58 | catsup | i can't find any command line option for sysrq, but that makes no sense, there should be one |
| 20:50.11 | dmnd | hehe |
| 20:50.22 | catsup | i thought i remembered there being one |
| 20:50.34 | Jemt | Greetz. When I try mounting a FAT32 partition (mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb), I get this error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'. Any suggestion ? |
| 20:51.24 | Lagbolt | jemt do you have dosfstools installed? |
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| 20:51.47 | Jemt | Lagbolt> Yes, got mkfs.vfat so I would guess so |
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| 20:51.56 | catsup | bullshit, there's a sysrq_always_enabled to prevent /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq from working, but no corresponding _disabled |
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| 20:52.07 | Jemt | Lagbolt, Yep, it is installed - just checked |
| 20:52.20 | Ryan52 | How do you kill a process? I tried kill and kill -s 9 but that didnt work. |
| 20:52.20 | Lagbolt | hmmm, |
| 20:52.25 | catsup | reading kernel params for 2.6.25 |
| 20:52.58 | Lagbolt | jemt, is there data on it that you want? you could try reformatting it |
| 20:53.01 | catsup | dmnd: i seriously recommend fixing your console, but if you can't, recompile your kernel turning off option CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ |
| 20:53.21 | Lagbolt | Jemt, what about blkid /dev/sda1 |
| 20:53.23 | Jemt | Lagbolt, I have already tried that but it doesnt do anything |
| 20:53.28 | Jemt | Lagbolt, Checking |
| 20:53.32 | dmnd | catsup: well, it's a nullmodem cable between 2 servers running debian |
| 20:53.33 | catsup | oh right, now i remember: it used to be off by default, until you enabled it with sysctl--now it's on by default |
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| 20:53.43 | Jemt | Lagbolt, /dev/sda1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="4823-57D7" TYPE="vfat" |
| 20:53.56 | catsup | dmnd: ah, well, then i think you should be able to fix the software on the other end, although i can't tell you how |
| 20:53.57 | Ryan52 | nvm. |
| 20:54.08 | dmnd | catsup: hmmm :) |
| 20:54.11 | Lagbolt | Jemt, you have tried that? have you tried a diff file system, maybe make it etc |
| 20:54.18 | Lagbolt | ext2 i mean |
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| 20:54.27 | Lagbolt | looks like it should work |
| 20:54.32 | Jemt | Lagbolt, Nope, I will give it a try. Just a sec :) |
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| 20:54.46 | catsup | dmnd: you just need it to not send BRK |
| 20:55.06 | Jemt | Lagbolt, Weird, that worked |
| 20:55.10 | Lagbolt | jemt, try ntfs |
| 20:55.13 | Jemt | Okay |
| 20:55.35 | Jemt | Lagbolt, mkfs does not support ntfs it seems |
| 20:55.38 | dmnd | catsup: ok hmm |
| 20:55.40 | Lagbolt | ntfstools |
| 20:55.44 | Lagbolt | or progs i forget |
| 20:55.47 | Jemt | Ah, ok |
| 20:55.59 | Lagbolt | ntfsprogs |
| 20:56.05 | catsup | mkfs doesn't support anything |
| 20:56.06 | Jemt | Jep |
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| 20:56.16 | catsup | mkfs -t fs just calls mkfs.fs |
| 20:56.21 | Lagbolt | that will give mkfs.ntfs |
| 20:56.55 | Jemt | Lagbolt> It did :) |
| 20:57.06 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 20:57.13 | Lagbolt | but no on vfat eh |
| 20:57.18 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Now I get > mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs' |
| 20:57.40 | Lagbolt | that is interesting. |
| 20:57.41 | Jemt | Lagbolt> mkfs.vfat is available through msdostools |
| 20:57.46 | Jemt | Lagbolt> Very |
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| 20:59.03 | Lagbolt | what version of mount, ntfsprogs, and dosfstools do you have |
| 20:59.27 | Jemt | Lagbolt: I installed it from Stable |
| 20:59.35 | Lagbolt | do you get more information in logs? |
| 20:59.39 | Jemt | Debian 4.0 RC3 |
| 20:59.44 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Checkng |
| 20:59.45 | Lagbolt | after you try to mount what do you get in dmesg |
| 20:59.46 | Jemt | Checking |
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| 21:01.14 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Nothing in dmesg |
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| 21:02.20 | Jemt | This is just odd |
| 21:02.30 | corN1C | heya quick reatrded question |
| 21:02.33 | corN1C | and i can't spell |
| 21:02.41 | corN1C | rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
| 21:02.48 | corN1C | whats the name of this in apt i can't find it |
| 21:02.49 | Lagbolt | Jemt, try /sbin/mount.ntfs-fuse /dev/sda1 /mntpoint |
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| 21:02.57 | Lagbolt | Jemt, i forget what your mntpoint was |
| 21:02.59 | \amethyst | corN1C: you're using etch? |
| 21:03.08 | corN1C | etch? |
| 21:03.11 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Okay, trying :) |
| 21:03.14 | corN1C | not that im aware of |
| 21:03.22 | \amethyst | corN1C: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:03.33 | corN1C | 4.0 |
| 21:03.33 | Jemt | Lagbolt: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 21:03.33 | Jemt | fuse_mount failed. |
| 21:03.33 | Jemt | Unmounting /dev/sda1 () |
| 21:03.44 | stew | corN1C: this means you are trying to use a program which was compiled for a newer version of debian. how did you install rar? |
| 21:03.52 | corN1C | i didn't its a clients server |
| 21:04.00 | corN1C | i think he is trying to install winrar......... |
| 21:04.05 | corN1C | which makes no sense to me on linux |
| 21:04.32 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 21:04.42 | corN1C | ive personally never heard of anyone installing winrar on a linux machine |
| 21:04.42 | \amethyst | corN1C: installing it from where? |
| 21:05.13 | Lagbolt | Jemt, modprobe fuse |
| 21:05.16 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: drive is still reporting seek errors but it's much more responsive since i turned the A/C on. temp has dropped 2C. |
| 21:05.28 | Jemt | Ok |
| 21:05.33 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: maybe it's time to invest in a HD fan? |
| 21:05.40 | Jemt | Lagbolt: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:05.43 | \amethyst | corN1C: apt-get install rar |
| 21:06.01 | stew | corN1C: the "rar" pacakge which debian distributes is the same codebase as winrar |
| 21:06.02 | \amethyst | corN1C: it will only be version 3.7b1 and not 3.7.1, but it is in non-free |
| 21:06.05 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: this case has five fans, one of which is an intake over the drives |
| 21:06.13 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: wait, two |
| 21:06.23 | corN1C | Package rar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:06.24 | corN1C | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 21:06.24 | corN1C | is only available from another source |
| 21:06.24 | corN1C | E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
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| 21:06.30 | \amethyst | !non-free |
| 21:06.30 | dpkg | somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:06.34 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: i just don't think the room air is cool enough |
| 21:06.35 | corN1C | Oo |
| 21:06.38 | Lagbolt | fuse isnt in 18 kern? |
| 21:06.38 | \amethyst | !non-free sources |
| 21:06.38 | dpkg | somebody said non-free sources was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 21:06.41 | \amethyst | corN1C: that |
| 21:07.32 | stew | Lagbolt: no, there is a backport of fuse-source on bpo, or you can just install a backported kernel from bpo |
| 21:07.43 | corN1C | wonder how to reverse |
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| 21:07.45 | corN1C | maybe if i remove rar |
| 21:07.59 | Lagbolt | stew, but ntfsprogs should still be able to mount or not? |
| 21:08.02 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Not sure |
| 21:08.15 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 21:08.20 | vanksi | i have a box with 3 IP:s, how can i specify which one it uses when i mount a NFS/samba share? |
| 21:08.27 | corN1C | apt-get --purge remove rar maybe lol |
| 21:08.32 | vanksi | since only one of them are allowed in the fw |
| 21:08.40 | themill | !tell corN1C about paste |
| 21:08.44 | Jemt | Lagbolt: "modprobe vfat" fails too |
| 21:09.01 | Lagbolt | what is the error? |
| 21:09.08 | stew | Lagbolt: yes, but only readonly. if you want readwrite, use ntfs3g from bpo |
| 21:09.11 | corN1C | thanks themill |
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| 21:09.14 | Jemt | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:09.19 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Above :) |
| 21:09.20 | corN1C | i was hoping it was all on one line but it was not |
| 21:09.27 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Seems I'm lacking several important modules |
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| 21:09.33 | Lagbolt | stew, right, i am just checking cause jemt is havin issues |
| 21:09.52 | Lagbolt | Jemt, sounds like you are having some troubles |
| 21:09.55 | stew | Jemt: 'depmod -a' |
| 21:10.07 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Yea :-/ |
| 21:10.13 | Jemt | stew: Okay |
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| 21:10.28 | Jemt | stew: WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686: No such file or directory |
| 21:10.28 | Jemt | FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 21:10.37 | Lagbolt | Jemt, go to /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/fs/vfat |
| 21:10.40 | \amethyst | Jemt: you uninstalled the running kernel, didn't you? |
| 21:10.41 | Lagbolt | see what is there |
| 21:10.50 | Lagbolt | jemt, are you root? |
| 21:10.53 | enderxim | is there an issue with debian testing xorg atm? i just did a fresh install and can't start fluxbox or anything. |
| 21:11.00 | Jemt | \amethyst: Nope, using the default kernel that comes with RC3 |
| 21:11.09 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Yes, I'm root |
| 21:11.26 | \amethyst | Jemt: what does uname -a say? 2.6.18-5-686? |
| 21:11.28 | Jemt | Lagbolt: I'm in the directory now |
| 21:11.38 | Jemt | \amethyst: Linux LinuxStick 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:11.46 | Jemt | Argh! |
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| 21:12.03 | Mazingaro | stew: it's screwed again!!! |
| 21:12.09 | Jemt | I'm using the kernel installed on my laptop while the actual installation is on a USB stick - and that is running kernel 2.6.18-6 |
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| 21:12.34 | Lagbolt | Jemt, what was that? |
| 21:12.35 | Jemt | I'm sorry, guys. Let me just boot this stick on a computer that supports booting from USB, so I don't have to use the kernel on the hard drive |
| 21:12.46 | Lagbolt | that sounds like a mess |
| 21:13.06 | Jemt | Lagbolt: I got a Linux Stick but the computer is not capable of performing USB Boot. So I'm using GRUB from the hard drive to boot into the USB stick |
| 21:13.10 | jim | enderxim: probably that information is at the bts |
| 21:13.15 | Jemt | Linux Stick = USB Stick pre-installed with Linux |
| 21:13.17 | Jemt | (Debian) |
| 21:13.28 | Lagbolt | Jemt, grub is fine but are you pointing to kern on usb or on grub |
| 21:13.30 | jim | if it's been reported as a bug that is |
| 21:13.32 | Lagbolt | i mean usb |
| 21:13.37 | Lagbolt | or harddrive |
| 21:13.41 | TiEuAM | Saluche ! Y'aurai pas des français par ici pour m'éclairer un peu pr recompiler php sous debian 4, j'capte pas les histoire de compilation, ./configure.... export CFLAGS="-O3.......... ?????? |
| 21:13.45 | Lagbolt | you should be able to boot the usb kern with grub |
| 21:13.54 | SerajewelKS | !fr |
| 21:13.54 | dpkg | well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:13.56 | SerajewelKS | TiEuAM: ^^^ |
| 21:13.57 | DJF5 | pour le vous engles? |
| 21:14.00 | dondelelcaro | TiEuAM: uh... why are you recompiling with -O3? |
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| 21:14.03 | Lagbolt | or is your bios not supporting that |
| 21:14.10 | Jemt | Lagbolt: On grub (the HDD). I'm pointing to the USB sticks root partition though; kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 21:14.43 | TiEuAM | nop it's an exemple, i don't understand what i need to do to recompile my php5 with something |
| 21:14.45 | Jemt | Lagbolt: BRB - I'll reboot into a new kernel :) |
| 21:14.52 | Lagbolt | so it is using a kernel on usb stick but root is on a diff drive? |
| 21:15.06 | stew | TiEuAM: what do you need to add to php5 that debian doesn't already provide? |
| 21:15.13 | SerajewelKS | TiEuAM: what are you trying to accomplish? you should'n need to recompile anything. |
| 21:15.18 | SerajewelKS | shouldn't* |
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| 21:15.55 | TiEuAM | gd for imageantialiasing and i want optimize my serveur, he is very slow i find |
| 21:16.08 | SerajewelKS | TiEuAM: install the php5-gd package |
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| 21:16.29 | SerajewelKS | TiEuAM: and before you start recompiling things you should determine exactly why it is slow |
| 21:16.33 | tweaked | anyone know how to ftp in a bash script in debain? |
| 21:16.41 | SerajewelKS | TiEuAM: recompiling stuff with optimizations is unlikely to help you very much |
| 21:16.49 | stew | tweaked: you can use ncftpput or ncftpget |
| 21:16.51 | jim | !debain |
| 21:16.51 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 21:17.11 | SerajewelKS | TiEuAM: i'd bet that the bottleneck is either disk I/O or CPU |
| 21:17.12 | tweaked | sorry type fast |
| 21:17.15 | \amethyst | Use Debayn, it's Objectively better |
| 21:17.28 | stew | tweaked: or wput/wget |
| 21:18.00 | Deepfrz | I've lost my xwindow system, running Lenny and did an update and screwed up x. Reloaded everything but when KDM starts it just directs me back to the console screen. Any ideas? |
| 21:18.06 | jim | TiEuAM: how much ram is on the machine? |
| 21:18.42 | TiEuAM | the web interface i have code in php run better on my ex "hebergement mutualiser" than on the server i have buy just 3 day (core2 4go ddr2, 100mbs) |
| 21:18.52 | adama | lot of X problems going on today eh |
| 21:19.07 | jim | Deepfrz: lost your xwindow system? I did too, found it behind the refridgerator |
| 21:19.28 | Deepfrz | jim, thanks, now anything helpful? |
| 21:19.33 | stew | Deepfrz: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:19.36 | stew | Deepfrz: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:19.53 | Lagbolt | Deepfrz, do you have "splashy" installed? |
| 21:20.05 | jim | Deepfrz: seriously... you should check your logs and show them here using a pastebin |
| 21:20.08 | Lagbolt | Deepfrz, it kills xdm and gdm . . . a bug |
| 21:20.11 | Deepfrz | stew, I'm running Knoppix right now so I could get on the web |
| 21:20.34 | jim | Deepfrz: on the same machine? |
| 21:20.43 | stew | Deepfrz: mount your debian drive and upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:20.43 | Deepfrz | jim, yes |
| 21:20.44 | Mazingaro | stew: xorg won't choose 1280x1024 75 anymore |
| 21:20.53 | jim | so you probably can get to the logs |
| 21:20.57 | stew | Mazingaro: what did you change? |
| 21:21.10 | Mazingaro | stew: I add DRI section |
| 21:21.33 | Lagbolt | Deepfrz, if you comment out "log_daemon_msg "Starting GNOME Display Manager" "gdm"" in /etc/init.d/xdm or gdm |
| 21:21.41 | tweaked | stew: do i have to install a package to get ncftpput? |
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| 21:21.57 | Lagbolt | then it will start with splashy |
| 21:22.04 | stew | tweaked: yes, ncftp |
| 21:22.09 | Lagbolt | i think there is a patch somewhere |
| 21:23.10 | Deepfrz | stew, okay, will try that |
| 21:23.34 | Mazingaro | stew: modeline is completely ignored |
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| 21:24.55 | stew | Mazingaro: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:25.19 | Mazingaro | stew: no errors |
| 21:25.45 | stew | Mazingaro: see if you can tell why its ignoring your modeline |
| 21:25.54 | stew | Mazingaro: compare it to one when your modeline was working |
| 21:26.30 | Mazingaro | stew: it's the same |
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| 21:26.51 | Jemt | Back |
| 21:26.53 | stew | Mazingaro: exactly the same? |
| 21:27.09 | Dexter_F | can I use firefox extensions with iceweasel or are they incomaptible? |
| 21:27.15 | Jemt | Lagbolt: I'm transfering a backup of my installation to the USB stick so it's all fresh - I'll test afterwards |
| 21:27.20 | stew | Dexter_F: they are compatible |
| 21:27.54 | Mazingaro | stew: yes :( |
| 21:28.14 | stew | Mazingaro: so disable DRI, since it isn't working anyawy |
| 21:28.35 | TiEuAM | ciao et thx pour #debian-fr |
| 21:28.47 | Mazingaro | stew: same problem |
| 21:28.59 | stew | Mazingaro: so what did you change? |
| 21:29.25 | Mazingaro | stew: removed dri section |
| 21:30.26 | Mazingaro | stew: damned xorg... |
| 21:30.43 | Mazingaro | stew: I will remove xorg.conf and rewrite it |
| 21:30.45 | stew | Mazingaro: so you had it working the way you wanted. you enabled dri, and nothing changed at all including the logfile (which means that DRI wasn't enabled anyway). now you reverted your xorg.conf, and now the logfile is still identical to the one with or without the dri section, dri doesn't work, and you don't have available a resolution that was available when you were using the same exact xorg.conf as the one that you were using when the resolution WAS |
| 21:31.11 | Mazingaro | yes |
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| 21:31.22 | stew | Mazingaro: this is very hard to believe |
| 21:31.36 | Mazingaro | stew: log told me that dri is automatically loaded |
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| 21:32.00 | Mazingaro | stew: but glxinfo told that direct rendering is disabled |
| 21:32.02 | stew | Mazingaro: so why did you add a dri section? |
| 21:32.21 | stew | Mazingaro: is the radeon kernel module loaded? |
| 21:32.31 | Mazingaro | stew: radeon and radeonfb |
| 21:33.17 | ed_ | just curious, does anyone have a dvorak-gb keyboard layout? |
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| 21:34.10 | Dexter_F | stew: including themes? for I installed one and it doesn't do anything |
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| 21:35.21 | stew | Dexter_F: yes, i'm using a theme. you might have to select it by going to 'tools->add-ons->themes' |
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| 21:35.45 | Mazingaro | stew: I got another PC with matrox g450 lenny and same xorg, but dpkg-reconfigure show me the current agp video card and write down the correct xorg.conf |
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| 21:36.17 | Mazingaro | stew: so why dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work on ati? |
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| 21:36.29 | stew | Mazingaro: it does |
| 21:37.25 | Mazingaro | stew: it does what? |
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| 21:37.29 | stew | Mazingaro: work |
| 21:38.08 | stew | Mazingaro: in your case there might be a problem with the radeon driver correctly detecting your monitor, but this is not a fault of debian's configuration scripts. the configuration that is produced *should* work |
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| 21:38.48 | stew | Mazingaro: the fact that you are saying that sometimes the driver gives you the resolution that you want and sometimes it doesn't even when using exactly the same config means that something else is at work. and i'm guessing the problem there is that you don't remember things correctly |
| 21:39.51 | Mazingaro | stew: I remember things correctly |
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| 21:40.14 | phyburn | what is the package name for libcap when installign with apt-get? |
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| 21:40.49 | stew | Mazingaro: then your problem doesn't have anything to do with the debian package. yoru problem is either faulty hardware or a buggy driver |
| 21:40.57 | \amethyst | phyburn: apt-file search libcap |
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| 21:41.11 | phyburn | I did came up with a bunch of stuff but none really seem to be libcap |
| 21:41.12 | \amethyst | phyburn: apt-file search libcap.so to be a little more selective |
| 21:41.36 | phyburn | yeah nothing =( |
| 21:41.55 | stew | Mazingaro: there is no reason that the resolution you should desire should be available to you some of the time and not others if the hardware isn't changing and the software isn't changing and the configuration is the same every time. |
| 21:41.57 | \amethyst | phyburn: it doesn't list libcap1 and libcap-dev ? |
| 21:42.00 | Mazingaro | stew: hardware it's ok, xorg it's a crap |
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| 21:42.09 | stew | Mazingaro: my guess, however, is that the configuration is changing |
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| 21:44.28 | phyburn | \amethyst, its already installed but when I try and isntall snort says its not installed =( |
| 21:44.44 | \amethyst | phyburn: installing snort or compiling it? |
| 21:44.52 | Saar | hmm |
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| 21:45.01 | phyburn | argh compiling it |
| 21:45.22 | Saar | does someone know a quick and easy way to tell vnc to just start an x session with the most minimal wm, say twm, and one terminal, say xterm? |
| 21:45.25 | \amethyst | phyburn: then you need the -dev package |
| 21:45.36 | Saar | instead of this bloated gnome crap :) |
| 21:45.43 | \amethyst | phyburn: apt-get build-dep snort would be the simplest thing to do |
| 21:45.44 | phyburn | argh found libcap it's in /lib/libcap.so |
| 21:45.55 | phyburn | \amethyst, trying to get snort-inline though |
| 21:45.59 | Saar | it's painful to see the screen draw for minutes |
| 21:46.52 | stew | phyburn: why are you compiling snort instead of just installing it? |
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| 21:47.17 | phyburn | stew becuase I need snot-inline |
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| 21:47.26 | mateusz | What does "kissed an MOS" mean? |
| 21:47.32 | stew | phyburn: are you recompiling the debian package? |
| 21:47.34 | Mazingaro | stew: That's a big problem I need this machine now |
| 21:47.47 | phyburn | stew, im just isntalling the package I got off their site |
| 21:47.49 | phyburn | snort that is |
| 21:47.51 | stew | Mazingaro: and its not usable now? |
| 21:48.03 | Mazingaro | stew: no |
| 21:48.09 | stew | Mazingaro: what changed? |
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| 21:48.31 | stew | Mazingaro: did you change the xorg.conf again? |
| 21:48.35 | Mazingaro | stew: 1280x768 60Hz gave me flashing black horizontal bands across the screen |
| 21:48.53 | phyburn | stew, I use this to compile and get this error http://pastebin.ca/1012073 |
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| 21:49.13 | Mazingaro | stew: Now I have only 1280x768 whatever fucking change I made in xorg.conf |
| 21:49.49 | stew | Mazingaro: show me your xorg.conf |
| 21:50.06 | Mazingaro | stew: ok |
| 21:50.17 | stew | phyburn: we'd probably recommend you just reocmpile the debian pacakges. /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 21:50.28 | stew | phyburn: at a minimum, you should run "apt-get build-dep snort" |
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| 21:50.33 | phyburn | stew, does that include snort-inline? |
| 21:50.47 | phyburn | stew, i did that before and it doesn't come with snort-inline |
| 21:51.15 | stew | phyburn: does including snort-inline just mean compiling snort with --enable-inline ? |
| 21:51.31 | phyburn | I'm not sure |
| 21:51.38 | stew | phyburn: then neither am I |
| 21:51.55 | phyburn | it just says to do ./configure --enabl-inline make make isntall |
| 21:52.00 | route | Any patch to the SSH exploit in etch? |
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| 21:52.11 | Mazingaro | stew: http://paste.debian.net/2459/ |
| 21:52.18 | route | I don't see any news about it on debian.org |
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| 21:52.31 | phyburn | stew, how can I point the configure to the path to libcap |
| 21:52.32 | mateusz | >> |
| 21:52.35 | mateusz | ?? |
| 21:52.38 | mateusz | What does "kissed an MOS" mean? |
| 21:52.42 | phyburn | of libcap* |
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| 21:54.02 | stew | route: do you have a mitre id for the exploit you are talking about? (something starting with CVE-) |
| 21:54.13 | stew | Mazingaro: you removed the modeline |
| 21:54.26 | stew | Mazingaro: that was the thing that you said made it work |
| 21:54.37 | thei0s | hi, I am wondering what is the best package to install in Debian: console-tools (I read somewhere it is deprecated), kbd (version that comes with etch has bugs and I spent a couple of hours debugging them and making it work, but then I found that version in sid also has everything fixed) or console-setup-mini (I somehow didn't manage to configure my keymap correctly and therefore letters are not working, just numbers and other ke |
| 21:54.37 | thei0s | so which package should I set up and is the recommended "Debian-way"? |
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| 21:55.05 | route | stew The only thing I know about the exploit is somebody used it against one of my servers a few days ago, and my server has been attacking other machines since then (until a few minutes ago when I finally stopped it). |
| 21:55.35 | route | I did a search for OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 exploits and I read something about using SCP to run files on the remote machine. |
| 21:55.43 | Mazingaro | stew: I tried also with modeline on and it worked until I exited X |
| 21:55.48 | route | I'm guessing that's what they did. I was wondering if there was a patch to fix this. |
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| 21:56.18 | Cusoon959 | http://pastebin.com/m32cd8d55 << compiling kiba-dock... make error... help? |
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| 21:57.11 | phyburn | stew, do you know what this means? use the --with-libpcap-* options |
| 21:57.18 | Mazingaro | stew: It seems that it's getting conf file from another place not /etc/X11 |
| 21:58.10 | thei0s | route: so you have the exploit executable, look if it tells anything about itself... and investigate further |
| 21:58.29 | themill | !tell thei0s about ssb |
| 21:58.52 | route | There was a file in /tmp named dt_ssh2 or something that was running 50 times as a test user on the box who has since been disabled. |
| 21:59.39 | route | hrm, seems that wasn't actually the ssh version from etch... I just upgraded. Let's hope that fixed the problem. |
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| 22:00.46 | stew | Mazingaro: then why when you added the modeline, did it start working? |
| 22:01.09 | thei0s | route: to me it looks like a ssh worldlist guesser, sure it was an exploit that enabled them to get in? |
| 22:01.16 | stew | phyburn: i don't know what that means, try "./configure --help" |
| 22:01.23 | Mazingaro | stew: dunno |
| 22:01.57 | Mazingaro | stew: I did xrandr to set the correct resolution and it works... So it isn't an hardware issue |
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| 22:02.48 | phyburn | stew, what is a include directory? |
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| 22:03.13 | route | thei0s How else would they have gotten in? there's nothing in that users .bash_history, no files other than the ones in /tmp |
| 22:03.33 | stew | phyburn: like /usr/include is a directory full of c/c++ header files. in debian, if you had to specify where the include directory for the pcap header files was, you'd probably say /usr |
| 22:04.08 | phyburn | and then the library dir would be /lib correct? |
| 22:04.13 | thei0s | route: through weak u/p.. check the logs when the hack happened and what do they say |
| 22:04.22 | stew | phyburn: though i'd recommend just trying to compile the debian package of snort after adding the configure option you need to add to debian/rules |
| 22:04.45 | Mazingaro | stew: I'm going to remove purge X |
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| 22:04.54 | stew | phyburn: i don't konw what the library dir would be, either / or /usr, but you should not have to specify any of this i woudlnt' think, it should be able to find it on its own |
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| 22:04.57 | phyburn | stew, how would I make it so it did --inline-enable? |
| 22:05.18 | stew | phyburn: edit debian/rules |
| 22:05.28 | phyburn | where is that? |
| 22:05.51 | stew | phyburn: in the source directory |
| 22:05.55 | stew | phyburn: /msg dpkg source |
| 22:05.57 | z1pp3r | Anyone know what package in debian contains 'java'? So i can do 'java -jar blabla.jar' ? |
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| 22:06.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | z1pp3r: the jre, apt-cache search java or apt-cache search jre |
| 22:06.36 | stew | z1pp3r: a few. "apt-cache showpkg java-virtual-machine" will list posibilities in the "reverse provides" section |
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| 22:07.08 | z1pp3r | Blast_Hardcheese, great thanks |
| 22:07.15 | Cusoon959 | http://pastebin.com/m32cd8d55 << compiling kiba-dock... make error... help? |
| 22:07.27 | themill | !tell z1pp3r about install java |
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| 22:07.45 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I mount a hard disk drive using ie Nautilus or another GUI program if I do not have privileges to do so? Maybe it is possible to authenticate using gksu ? |
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| 22:08.09 | Jemt | (I am using Gnome btw) |
| 22:08.11 | jelly-home | Cusoon959: you don't have relevant -dev packages installed? |
| 22:08.29 | Cusoon959 | I'm pretty sure I do but lemme go make sure |
| 22:08.50 | efaistos | does anybody use iwl3945 ? I'm missing something somewhere ... |
| 22:09.07 | jelly-home | Cusoon959: maybe they're not the exact same version the maintainer used :-| |
| 22:09.09 | stew | efaistos: did you install the firmware package from non-free? |
| 22:09.44 | efaistos | yes |
| 22:09.49 | efaistos | modprobed it |
| 22:09.57 | efaistos | but then cant configure it ... |
| 22:10.03 | efaistos | im using wpa btw |
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| 22:10.41 | efaistos | stew: any idea ? |
| 22:10.46 | stew | efaistos: does "iwconfig" list the card? |
| 22:10.54 | efaistos | I removed also the line in udev rules |
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| 22:11.11 | efaistos | stew: yes wlan0 |
| 22:11.20 | stew | efaistos: does "iwlist scan" find APs? |
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| 22:12.27 | efaistos | nope |
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| 22:12.48 | kgod | lenny amd64: what's xine / mplayer need to play DVDs? |
| 22:13.34 | kgod | libdvdcss2? libdvdplay0? |
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| 22:14.39 | Mazingaro | stew: No way it doesn't work at all |
| 22:14.57 | efaistos | stew: the thing is I dont know how to configure interfaces file for wpa ... |
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| 22:15.23 | stew | efaistos: check /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian |
| 22:15.39 | stew | Mazingaro: you purged it? |
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| 22:16.11 | Cusoon959 | jelly-home, No, I have all the dev packages too |
| 22:16.16 | stew | Mazingaro: or what exactly did you do? |
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| 22:16.22 | efaistos | stew: oki but any idea why the iwlist doesnt scan APs ? |
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| 22:16.57 | stew | efaistos: not sure. is there a hardware kill switch perhaps? |
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| 22:17.15 | efaistos | stew: hhmmm dunno ... |
| 22:17.20 | stew | efaistos: can you "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail" and see if there is anything diagnostic there? |
| 22:17.24 | Mazingaro | stew: now nothing... |
| 22:17.24 | themill | kgod: libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdplay0 libdvdread3 (and possibly others) some of which are from debian-multimedia.org. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 22:17.34 | davidc007_ | i have a server with 2 gigabit nics, eth1 and eth2. eth1 is external, eth2 i want on an internal network 10.0.0.0. When I add the settings to /etc/nteworking/interfaces and restart, I lose my eth1 connection, though both are configured in the interfaces file. why |
| 22:17.37 | stew | Mazingaro: so it wasn't working. you didnt' do anything. and its still not working? |
| 22:17.37 | kgod | themill: Danke |
| 22:17.50 | kgod | themill: Yeah, I know about marillat, just needed the packagelist. |
| 22:18.06 | stew | Mazingaro: or was it partially working, you did nothing, and now its not working at all? |
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| 22:19.26 | dendrite | davidc007_: Do you have eth1 listed as an 'auto' interface? |
| 22:19.30 | Mazingaro | stew: I didn't do purge yet |
| 22:19.43 | Mazingaro | stew: nor disinstalle |
| 22:19.44 | Mazingaro | stew: nor disinstalled |
| 22:19.49 | stew | Mazingaro: so it wasn't working. you did nothing. and it is still not working? |
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| 22:20.32 | themill | kgod: no worries |
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| 22:20.42 | rawb | is there anything special rules/guides I should follow when installing a perl module manually that's not available as a package with aptitude? such as location... |
| 22:21.33 | Jemt | Greetz. When I click "Computer" on my desktop, Nautilus lists all my partitions. How do I mount partitions on hard drives without a console tool ? |
| 22:21.34 | Jemt | (Using Gnome) |
| 22:21.34 | efaistos | stew: http://rafb.net/p/b72vL255.html |
| 22:21.36 | themill | !tell rawb about dh-make-perl |
| 22:21.42 | stew | efaistos: i'd look for a hardware kill switch |
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| 22:21.48 | stew | efaistos: what kind of machien is this |
| 22:22.00 | efaistos | stew: laptop nc4400 |
| 22:22.02 | efaistos | hp |
| 22:22.03 | rawb | themill: awesome, thanks! |
| 22:22.13 | themill | rawb: :) |
| 22:22.44 | efaistos | i used to use the ipw3945d pkg and the modules ... but since this evening it doesnt work anymore |
| 22:22.50 | stew | efaistos: i'd look for some kind of physical switch which disables the wireless somewhere, or look for some Fn+?? key combination |
| 22:22.54 | efaistos | so I thought about using the new one |
| 22:22.54 | highatrisk | can anyone help with a small xserver-xorg question? recently xinit was taken out of the xserver-xorg package for some reason. any idea why? |
| 22:23.07 | efaistos | yeah there is a button :P |
| 22:23.17 | efaistos | i was thinking about a soft one ;) |
| 22:23.46 | rawb | themill: i'm kind of surprised debian doesn't have this module (crypt::dsa), they have like every other libcrypt-*-perl package ;) |
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| 22:25.14 | themill | rawb: libcrypt-openssl-dsa-perl? |
| 22:25.50 | Mazingaro | stew: how can I reinstall xorg? |
| 22:26.09 | rawb | themill: i thought that was it, but they're two different modules |
| 22:26.27 | kgod | themill: Still no joy FWIW. |
| 22:26.37 | themill | rawb: ahh... I wasn't sure. |
| 22:27.19 | themill | !tell kgod about dvd playback troubleshooting |
| 22:27.27 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 22:27.27 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 22:27.33 | themill | !tell kgod about literal dvd playback troubleshooting |
| 22:28.07 | Lagbolt | literal dvd playback toubleshooting <-- how do you remember that lol |
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| 22:29.03 | themill | Lagbolt: the actual factoid is dvd playback toubleshooting and there's a bug in dpkgbot atm that means it doesn't spit some factoids out properly. Sticking literal in front normally fixes that. |
| 22:29.23 | Lagbolt | cool |
| 22:29.27 | stew | Mazingaro: aptitude reinstall packagename |
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| 22:30.12 | DexterF | when Iceweasel crashes when trying to upload an image to eBay, is that IWs fault or eBays? |
| 22:31.01 | stew | DexterF: nothing ebay could possibly do should be able to crash your browser, it must be a bug in the browser, or one of the browser's plug-ins or extensions |
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| 22:31.35 | DexterF | stew: that's what I wanted to hear, fules my anti-Firefox attitude ;) |
| 22:31.41 | petur | hi |
| 22:31.50 | DexterF | what sucks about it tho is that I now ran outta browsers... |
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| 22:32.09 | stew | DexterF: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 22:32.18 | DexterF | DexterF: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 22:32.22 | petur | My ip alias does not come up during reboot, i must execute the command ifdown -a;ifup -a |
| 22:32.23 | DexterF | duh |
| 22:32.26 | petur | any ideas? |
| 22:32.34 | petur | up After reboot |
| 22:32.51 | joltcan | petur: have you put auto foo in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:32.57 | themill | kgod: do you have a region set on your dvd drive? |
| 22:33.05 | petur | joltcan: auto eth0 eth0:1 |
| 22:33.45 | efaistos | nobody for this f## iwl3945 card ? |
| 22:33.51 | efaistos | stew: any idea ? |
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| 22:34.07 | petur | Everything look ok, except the fact i must manualy enter "ifdown -a;ifup -a" after reboot. ( unless i do so, i can only see eth0 and lo ) |
| 22:34.12 | themill | efaistos: what kernel are you using? |
| 22:34.13 | stew | efaistos: oh, i thought you found the rf kill switch and was all set |
| 22:34.25 | efaistos | 2.6.24 |
| 22:34.41 | efaistos | stew: rf ? |
| 22:34.55 | stew | efaistos: some switch on your laptop to kill the wireless card |
| 22:35.05 | stew | efaistos: 'radio frequency' |
| 22:35.19 | themill | !killswitch |
| 22:35.20 | dpkg | Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. |
| 22:35.29 | stew | nice |
| 22:35.40 | Mazingaro | stew: no way |
| 22:35.56 | Mazingaro | stew: I could not stop that machine I need graphic output :( |
| 22:35.57 | themill | stew: just don't do !kill switch ... that will have a rather umm different effect |
| 22:36.21 | petur | ifstate has the three following lines: 1. "lo=lo" 2. "eth0=eth0" 3."eth0:1=eth0:1" .. is that normal? |
| 22:36.55 | stew | Mazingaro: although i have tried. you are very difficult to help. its hard to get information out of you, and often the information i get out of you is inaccurate. i'm not tired of trying to press you for details over and over again |
| 22:37.13 | blizzow | dpkg x11-common |
| 22:37.13 | dpkg | blizzow: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 22:37.42 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any channel for QoS or traffic managment/shapping ? |
| 22:38.08 | Deezire | Look for anything with PF in it. |
| 22:38.09 | stew | err, s/not// |
| 22:38.26 | efaistos | i can do an iwconfig wlan0 essid myhome keys:pass but nothing after that |
| 22:38.41 | blizzow | Why do I neex x11-common and fontconfig for phpmyadmin? |
| 22:38.43 | highatrisk | is there a reason that xinit has been removed from xserver-xorg in debian testing? |
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| 22:39.24 | petur | exit |
| 22:39.24 | petur | exi |
| 22:39.39 | ma3x | how much GBps can fiber cables transfer? |
| 22:39.43 | _ZeuZ_ | Deezire, ehmm... that was for me? xD |
| 22:40.07 | themill | blizzow: phpmyadmin recommends php5-gd which uses x11 libs for font rendering. |
| 22:40.11 | efaistos | how do you configure your wireless card for wpa ? |
| 22:40.24 | Deezire | _ZeuZ_: Yeah |
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| 22:40.31 | efaistos | apparently we can use the same thing than wep in interfaces file |
| 22:40.43 | efaistos | the same option ... |
| 22:40.51 | _ZeuZ_ | but I'm currently using iptables and tcng for it, and I would need a channel for that... also, is pf installable on Debian? |
| 22:41.13 | Deezire | pF is bsd only afaik |
| 22:41.19 | stew | _ZeuZ_: there is #iptables, there used to be #lartc but it seems to be gone |
| 22:41.28 | Deezire | And I would only use bsd for trafficshaping anyway :p |
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| 22:41.47 | themill | efaistos: is it feasible for you to turn off your wep or wpa for a while so you can check that the rest of it is working properly? |
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| 22:42.56 | _ZeuZ_ | Deezire: I've allready mounted the server, and without X, because I could do it with a VM with FreeBSD, but my project is having an ISP server with Debian... currently using htb-gen since my commrade is a dumbass to do the rules himself... but as far as for my rules go, I need to ask some questions |
| 22:42.57 | efaistos | themill: what do you mean by the rest of it ? |
| 22:43.16 | Mazingaro | stew: thanks |
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| 22:43.52 | efaistos | i mean I have to other latops they work well ... one macbook with madwifi driver and debian on it and another macbook with OSX |
| 22:43.54 | themill | efaistos: well, if it works without wpa or wep then you know that your card, driver, microcode, killswitch are set up properly and isolates it to a wep/wpa configuration issue |
| 22:43.59 | efaistos | so the wireless is working |
| 22:44.01 | DexterF | stew: that a bug in reportbug? http://pastebin.ca/1012143 |
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| 22:44.56 | _ZeuZ_ | efaistos: what distor is installed on the troublesome PC? |
| 22:45.06 | efaistos | themill: i used to use ipw3945d and its modules and it worked until tonight |
| 22:45.06 | _ZeuZ_ | s/distor/distro/ |
| 22:45.18 | efaistos | _ZeuZ_: what do you think ? |
| 22:45.27 | efaistos | ;) |
| 22:45.37 | _ZeuZ_ | Dunno, kubuntu users come here since there's not as much support in theirs xD |
| 22:45.54 | efaistos | Debian of course ... or I would be on #fedora, #suse or somethin like this |
| 22:46.03 | themill | efaistos: yes, all that proves is that your card is working properly. driver, microcode, killswitch are yet to be tested |
| 22:46.05 | _ZeuZ_ | well, some don't ;) xD |
| 22:46.28 | themill | efaistos: how did you get the iwlwifi driver? |
| 22:46.35 | efaistos | apt-get |
| 22:46.37 | efaistos | install |
| 22:46.38 | quieteyes | was there a recent "dist-upgrade" for lenny? |
| 22:46.48 | efaistos | i followed the article on the wiki |
| 22:46.54 | _ZeuZ_ | efistos, what did you install last before it failed? |
| 22:46.57 | themill | efaistos: lenny? sid? |
| 22:47.04 | efaistos | lenny |
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| 22:47.57 | themill | efaistos: what did you apt-get install to get this driver? the 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 22:48.40 | efaistos | themill: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:48.43 | quieteyes | did lenny receive a massive upgrade? |
| 22:49.29 | mquin | quieteyes: yeah, he won't be able to sit down for a week |
| 22:49.34 | themill | quieteyes: it continually does on a daily basis.... but perl transition is in the works and python transition has just finished if that's what you're asking |
| 22:50.21 | efaistos | perl 5.10 in sid ;) |
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| 22:52.11 | themill | efaistos: does "iwlist wlan0 scan" return any APs? You may need to run it a couple of times to get results back. |
| 22:52.41 | efaistos | bope |
| 22:52.43 | efaistos | nope |
| 22:53.07 | efaistos | it drives me crazy :( |
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| 22:54.05 | themill | efaistos: what does lsmod | grep 3945 show? |
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| 22:55.00 | efaistos | iwl3945 84712 0 |
| 22:55.01 | efaistos | mac80211 114380 1 iwl3945 |
| 22:55.01 | efaistos | firmware_class 9312 2 iwl3945,pcmcia |
| 22:55.37 | themill | efaistos: OK. This is saying that either the ucode is not installed or is the wrong version or you have the kill switch enabled still. |
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| 22:56.34 | Maxt3r | i cant make i got error i have build-essential libncurses5-dev libncursesw5-dev what else do i need |
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| 22:57.35 | dendrite | Maxt3r: apt-get build-dep <package-you're-building> |
| 22:57.56 | blizzow | If I install mysql-server-5.0, how do I enable remote connections to the db? |
| 22:58.15 | Maxt3r | i have a package i have wget and uncompresse i shall make but i got erroer, and its not only one package |
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| 22:58.44 | efaistos | themill: i just switched off the kill switch and then i dont even have the card with an iwconfig |
| 22:58.55 | efaistos | so whats the other two solution ? |
| 22:59.24 | dendrite | blizzow: dpkg -L mysql-server-5.0 | egrep -i '(readme|etc)' |
| 23:00.32 | themill | efaistos: what's the output of modinfo iwl3945; apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 23:00.41 | efaistos | Maxt3r: what r you trying to do ? |
| 23:01.34 | efaistos | themill: http://rafb.net/p/YsIHcM50.html |
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| 23:01.42 | Maxt3r | make (file) |
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| 23:02.06 | sefyroth | Hey guys, debian newbie here. Where do I get drivers for a motherboard (sound and graphics)? |
| 23:02.34 | Maxt3r | efaistos, make |
| 23:02.51 | efaistos | themill: and for the policy I have the candidate version installed 0.10 |
| 23:02.57 | efaistos | Maxt3r: make for what ? |
| 23:03.01 | themill | Maxt3r: you'll need to pastebin the entire output of the make run |
| 23:03.01 | Maxt3r | efaistos, make a driver i wget for my wireless card |
| 23:03.05 | Maxt3r | k |
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| 23:04.04 | themill | efaistos: have you tried some of the other suggestions on how the wiki page? I've now been through every thing that I've ever had to do with it. (I'm currently using that driver) |
| 23:04.19 | Maxt3r | http://pastebin.com/m2a98e838 |
| 23:04.23 | Maxt3r | efaistos, http://pastebin.com/m2a98e838 |
| 23:04.59 | efaistos | themill: yeah tried a couple of things the udev rules |
| 23:05.04 | efaistos | etc .. |
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| 23:05.30 | themill | efaistos: I was thinking more of ip up and essid any |
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| 23:07.14 | efaistos | themill: Im trying that right now |
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| 23:07.50 | efaistos | DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 but no offers :( |
| 23:07.59 | Maxt3r | themill, sry my lab just ran out off power |
| 23:08.23 | Maxt3r | themill, do have anything 2 heplp me whit |
| 23:09.00 | themill | Maxt3r: You probably need to aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 23:09.10 | Maxt3r | okay i do that |
| 23:09.21 | themill | efaistos: but you do now see entries in iwlist? |
| 23:09.39 | Maxt3r | 2 sec |
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| 23:09.58 | Maxt3r | themill, iwlist in consol ? |
| 23:10.24 | themill | Maxt3r: that was for efaistos. not for you. |
| 23:10.50 | efaistos | themill: no forgot to check still nothing |
| 23:11.01 | themill | efaistos: :( |
| 23:11.07 | efaistos | i tried an ifup wlan0 ap any |
| 23:11.21 | efaistos | got access point invalid |
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| 23:12.08 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I force the installation of a iX86 package on an amd64 kernel? |
| 23:12.20 | themill | efaistos: You might get more joy in #ipw2100 |
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| 23:12.43 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: you can't |
| 23:12.54 | efaistos | themill: ipw2100? or iwl2100? |
| 23:13.08 | _ZeuZ_ | I know theres a way... I;ve seen it... but cant find it... aint it --force ? |
| 23:13.19 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: you can't |
| 23:13.34 | _ZeuZ_ | like dpkg -i --force-arch or something like that? |
| 23:13.40 | abrotman | then man dpkg .. find it |
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| 23:13.46 | themill | efaistos: I believe the intel wireless website says #ipw2100 |
| 23:13.46 | abrotman | break your own system .. don't ask for help doing it |
| 23:14.01 | efaistos | themill: yeah |
| 23:14.30 | _ZeuZ_ | I did not find it until now xD: dpkg --force-architecture -i da_file_i386.deb |
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| 23:15.30 | efaistos | themill: thanks anyway |
| 23:15.40 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, either way, it was not for me :P |
| 23:15.44 | themill | efaistos: good luck :) |
| 23:15.53 | efaistos | thanks :P |
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| 23:16.10 | abrotman | whatever that means |
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| 23:18.31 | TiEuAM | re salut ! maybe i have problem with my raid : fdisk -l |
| 23:18.34 | Maxt3r | hm i thing it worked, how do i test it |
| 23:18.43 | Maxt3r | iwlist |
| 23:18.52 | TiEuAM | Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 23:19.02 | efaistos | themill: dmesg -->iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: |
| 23:19.04 | efaistos | Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. |
| 23:19.06 | TiEuAM | same for the 2 |
| 23:19.08 | rhineheart_m | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.29 | themill | efaistos: yes... I thought you'd got past that one. |
| 23:19.37 | vyrus001 | is there a debian package for ext4 ? |
| 23:19.40 | fengor | chmod -r /home/* ? |
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| 23:19.45 | vyrus001 | e2fsprogs dosnt seem to hav eit |
| 23:20.00 | fengor | the ? not belonging to the command ;) |
| 23:20.23 | fengor | or was it -x for directories. i always have trouble remembering that |
| 23:20.24 | themill | !ext4 |
| 23:20.24 | dpkg | ext4 is, like, a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477). |
| 23:20.42 | vyrus001 | ic |
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| 23:21.22 | Deepfrz | jim, I have been trying to figure out how to mount my hard drive under knoppix to I can get to my Xorg log file. I need help |
| 23:21.22 | rhineheart_m | fengor, thanks for that.. but would it not allow them to eplore even the root directory? |
| 23:21.31 | robboplus | 1 exabyte shall be enough for everyone ;) |
| 23:21.55 | fengor | dunno they could explore anything they could explore with a shell login i suppose |
| 23:22.00 | robboplus | that's enough porn for every single hour of your life! |
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| 23:22.26 | efaistos | themill: but iwlist wlan0 scanning still doesnt list the AP |
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| 23:22.59 | themill | efaistos: but that message just said that the kill switch was on. If "on" there is no radio, so there is no scanning. |
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| 23:24.37 | efaistos | http://rafb.net/p/FpCoTD73.html |
| 23:24.55 | Deepfrz | stew, are you still around? |
| 23:25.00 | Mazingaro | please help: I removed /etc/X11, now I cannot login via kdm, thanks |
| 23:25.51 | Maxt3r | help get my wireless card 2 work, in lspci i got Network controller: RaLink Unknown device 0781 my card is a Zepto Zpro2 N-Standard (NBG) | RaLink rt2860 i have dl the drivers but got erroer while make |
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| 23:28.00 | Deepfrz | Mazingaro, I think I have the same problem, did you do an upgrade to xserver? |
| 23:28.24 | Mazingaro | Deepfrz: yes, but I removed /etc/X11 trying to fix another problem |
| 23:29.19 | Deepfrz | Mazingaro, okay, I am trying to mount my hd under Knoppix so I can post my log file. Any idea how to do that? |
| 23:29.22 | fengor | Mazingaro: again... aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 23:29.55 | themill | efaistos: I'd try modprobe -r iwl3945; turn kill switch on then off ; modprobe iwl3945. I've seen that help before.... |
| 23:30.46 | efaistos | themill: just did it and ... root@nashira [/home/efaistos]# iwconfig wlan0 essid BeBox [0:24] |
| 23:30.50 | efaistos | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. |
| 23:30.52 | efaistos | root@nashira [/home/efaistos]# ip link set wlan0 up [0:24] |
| 23:30.55 | efaistos | Cannot find device "wlan0" |
| 23:31.03 | Mazingaro | fengor: it's removing all!!! |
| 23:31.53 | Mazingaro | fengor: it didn't fix the problem, cannot login |
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| 23:32.55 | Mazingaro | fengor: it only removed a lot of things I need like gtk2 |
| 23:33.11 | Mazingaro | fengor: and reinstalled a non working xorg... |
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| 23:33.59 | Maxt3r | what can i do whit a dat file |
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| 23:36.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | Installing a new kernel requires me to update every single binary on my system? |
| 23:37.05 | petemc | no |
| 23:37.23 | themill | !wayttd Blast_Hardcheese |
| 23:37.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Blast_Hardcheese? |
| 23:37.55 | jair | guys I boot my system with a live cd using grub, and got it to work |
| 23:38.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | Just installed xfce4, it says there are 574 updates for my machine, everything from wesnoth to python |
| 23:38.21 | jair | now if I want to install grub so it boot automatically without me have to type the commands on the grub command line? |
| 23:38.22 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: are you running lenny? |
| 23:38.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Not entirely sure |
| 23:38.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | 2.6.24 |
| 23:38.40 | jair | I do => grub-install (hd0)? |
| 23:38.44 | jair | something like that |
| 23:38.50 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:39.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | 4.0, 2.7-10 |
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| 23:39.52 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: right... so you have an interesting mix of etch and lenny/sid. |
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| 23:40.19 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: Have you been monkeying around with your sources.list? |
| 23:40.31 | jair | how do I install grub usign the live cd that has grub? should I run the command before or after I get the system boot? |
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| 23:41.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | themill: short answer, yes |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | shor answer .. not etch anymore |
| 23:41.53 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: let me guess, you stuck in lenny or sid and didn't put in any pinning? |
| 23:42.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | A friend of mine gave me his sources list, he knows much more about Debian than I do, but has a tendency to think that everyone knows as much as he does |
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| 23:43.47 | themill | :( |
| 23:43.53 | themill | with friends like those... |
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| 23:44.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | I needed at least 2.6.22 to fix a bug in my Firewire card's driver, unfortunately that was the exact revision where they switched over to the amazing new (currently non-existant) firewire modules |
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| 23:45.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | I gave up getting my FireWire card working under Linux and just bought a Gig-E card, but I've already upgraded my kernel and don't know my way around the system well enough to know what things I can keep during a reinstall |
| 23:45.52 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: 2.6.22 is in etch-backports or 2.6.24 is in etch-proposed-updated. No lenny required. |
| 23:46.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is lenny bad? |
| 23:46.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's "not stable yet" |
| 23:46.27 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: it's a moving target. Not for everyone. |
| 23:46.40 | Mazingaro | please I'm installing a package with apt, but files from package are not written on the hd :( |
| 23:46.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm not trying to send a robot to the moon |
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| 23:47.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | All I really want is a linux box that will not erase the data on the HDDs. |
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| 23:47.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | Which brings me back to my previous question, I've updated my kernel and the updater insists that there are 574 updates for my computer. |
| 23:48.12 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: well... those are the remaining updates to get you to a pure lenny system.... |
| 23:48.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | I see |
| 23:48.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | If I stick with the apps I've got now, would my machine be more stable than if I were to update everything? |
| 23:48.59 | abrotman | themill: .24 is in backports too ? |
| 23:49.16 | themill | abrotman: not that I know of. etch-proposed-updates for etchnhalf |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:49.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | Currently I've only installed the kernel and xfce from the lenny sources |
| 23:49.45 | Maxt3r | how can i test my wireless card |
| 23:49.46 | Maxt3r | ? |
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| 23:49.56 | themill | put the proposed etchnhalf updates on his laptop yesterday |
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