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| 00:11.12 | rhineheart_m | what's the best AV out there for debian? |
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| 00:12.02 | DocMAX78 | helo i have some questions |
| 00:12.20 | themill | !just ask |
| 00:12.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:12.51 | DocMAX78 | when running gnome in user mode (not root) i cant mount any device (for example it shows my windows partition, but cant mount) |
| 00:13.10 | fstab | anyone know a good program for packet editing something like wpe but for debian |
| 00:13.16 | DocMAX78 | how can i change that? |
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| 00:13.38 | abrotman | DocMAX78: try adding the 'user' option in your fstab |
| 00:14.17 | DocMAX78 | abrotman... can u explain it to be? |
| 00:14.19 | DocMAX78 | me? |
| 00:14.29 | rhineheart_m | what's the best AV out there for debian? |
| 00:14.31 | DocMAX78 | i ll check out my fstab |
| 00:14.40 | DocMAX78 | mc |
| 00:14.48 | ricosecada | What directories should be ignored when running a tool like aide? I have listed these http://pastebin.org/34809 do I miss any? |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | !best |
| 00:14.50 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:15.31 | fstab | !wpe |
| 00:15.32 | dpkg | [wpe] the itty-bitty IDE that rocks the world. in COLOR! see also xwpe. |
| 00:15.40 | DocMAX78 | abrotan... what i have to change in fstab? |
| 00:15.43 | fstab | !xwpe |
| 00:16.46 | abrotman | man fstab .. man mount |
| 00:18.24 | DocMAX78 | i dint want t use mount or fstab |
| 00:18.41 | DocMAX78 | gnome automaticaly detects my windows partition |
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| 00:18.58 | abrotman | okay .. fine .. |
| 00:18.59 | DocMAX78 | and creates a "Windows XP" symbol on my desktop |
| 00:19.30 | DocMAX78 | it automaticly mounts to /media/Windows XP when i am root |
| 00:19.37 | DocMAX78 | but not in user mode |
| 00:19.53 | DocMAX78 | when double clicking it says cant mount |
| 00:20.01 | themill | DocMAX78: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab for us? |
| 00:20.08 | DocMAX78 | yes |
| 00:20.17 | abrotman | NOO .. he doesn't want to use fstab |
| 00:21.02 | DocMAX78 | # /etc/fstab: static file system information. |
| 00:21.02 | DocMAX78 | # |
| 00:21.02 | DocMAX78 | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 00:21.02 | DocMAX78 | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 00:21.02 | DocMAX78 | /dev/hda2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 00:21.18 | themill | !tell DocMAX78 about paste |
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| 00:21.31 | abrotman | !tell DocMAX78 about fstab |
| 00:21.35 | DocMAX78 | shit kicked |
| 00:21.41 | themill | DocMAX78: you missed the magic word *pastebin* |
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| 00:21.53 | themill | DocMAX78: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab for us? |
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| 00:22.21 | themill | DocMAX78: or is it only the 6 lines that we saw? |
| 00:22.24 | fstab | !xwpe |
| 00:22.49 | xuser | for virtual hosts in apache2, I just need to add the site to 'sites-available'? |
| 00:22.50 | fstab | darn t |
| 00:22.53 | abrotman | fstab: it doesn't work .. no matter how many times you try |
| 00:22.58 | timlarson | anyone here run debian on a mac mini? |
| 00:22.58 | fstab | ha |
| 00:23.08 | DocMAX78 | yes the standard devices |
| 00:23.09 | fstab | abrotman xwpe any good |
| 00:23.26 | abrotman | try it and let us know |
| 00:23.33 | abrotman | timlarson: PPC or i386 ? |
| 00:23.35 | fstab | sounds good |
| 00:23.35 | DocMAX78 | as i said, when staring gnome with root, i can access drive "Windows XP" |
| 00:23.39 | timlarson | abrotman, ppc |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | timlarson: i have one collecting dust .. why?> |
| 00:23.51 | DocMAX78 | it automaticly mount to /media/Windows XP |
| 00:23.51 | timlarson | having trouble getting the video (X) to work... |
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| 00:24.18 | timlarson | it works fine on a small monitor, but a larger flat-screen reports "no signal" and give a blank screen. |
| 00:24.18 | themill | !tell DocMAX78 about gnome-volume-manager |
| 00:24.27 | mot__ | here's a question: let's say i am trying to backup something |
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| 00:24.54 | abrotman | timlarson: make sure your X and the monitor can do the same modes |
| 00:24.56 | timlarson | the larger monitor works fine when the mini is running OSX |
| 00:25.10 | mot__ | the original data is 32GB, but i started a backup that was interrupted and it copied 30/32GB...is there a command in linux that will compare all of the files in the source/destination and only copy the difference? |
| 00:25.19 | dondelelcaro | mot__: rsync |
| 00:25.40 | davidc007_ | i have two gigbit nics, first one works great. when i configure the 2nd nic, after inet.d/network restart it removes my old route |
| 00:25.41 | timlarson | how do I check what modes the X driver can do? I can check the monitor manual for its specs. |
| 00:25.52 | abrotman | timlarson: the X log in /var/log/ should give some hints |
| 00:25.59 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 00:26.08 | timlarson | k, will check. |
| 00:26.09 | dondelelcaro | timlarson: xrandr; may also tell you |
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| 00:26.16 | timlarson | thanks |
| 00:26.23 | wd | catsup: u still here.. lol got one for u. |
| 00:26.28 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, will rsync work on the same host? |
| 00:26.34 | mot__ | that is, i'm backing up from a HDD to an external HDD |
| 00:26.40 | mot__ | it doesn't have to be two remote hosts does it? |
| 00:26.42 | wd | catsup: ok u read this right?.. http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 00:27.11 | wd | catsup: well how do u compile new kernel .. read the bottom of article please. he used a 2.6.8 |
| 00:27.52 | DocMAX78 | adduser username plugdev |
| 00:27.58 | DocMAX78 | i dont understand this |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | it's a command .. run it |
| 00:28.38 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, do you know how the syntax of rsync works? i'm a bit pressed for time and don't have time to read the whole man page |
| 00:28.39 | wd | catsup: it seem that everytime i try to install debian on my laptop with the floppies using 2.6.22 kernel or other 2.6 during install pcmcia isn't picked up.. but 2.4 floppy images are. |
| 00:28.44 | themill | DocMAX78: substituting your username for "username" in the command, obviously... |
| 00:29.01 | themill | mot__: man rsync has excellent examples |
| 00:29.03 | dondelelcaro | mot__: yes, and of course I do, but you should read the manpage. I'll give you a hint: a v P. |
| 00:29.20 | dondelelcaro | and no, that's not alien versus predator |
| 00:29.28 | themill | :) |
| 00:29.28 | abrotman | because that would suck |
| 00:29.30 | mot__ | thanks |
| 00:29.46 | Mazingaro | stew: I know what happened: xorg 7.3 won't support ati anymore, gotta install fglrx, but it won't work on my card (R280) |
| 00:29.48 | wd | catsup: so the guy in the article said he used 2.6.8 from kernel.org, is it difficult to install new kernel that way vs debian image-kernel? |
| 00:30.02 | DocMAX78 | ok and what is "plugdev"? |
| 00:30.14 | DocMAX78 | a group? |
| 00:30.17 | themill | the name of a group, yes |
| 00:30.37 | DocMAX78 | ok ill check if it works, thanks |
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| 00:31.28 | wd | to use a wm on freshly installed system do i need both x window sys and xfree or x base clients? |
| 00:31.52 | DocMAX78 | but i checked.. i dont have a group plugdev right now |
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| 00:33.20 | DocMAX78 | i want to start the gnome volume manager |
| 00:33.27 | DocMAX78 | whats the command in terminal? |
| 00:34.37 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, i'm reading through this, and so far i'm finding the -u and -v flags relevant (v for verbose, u for update) but nothing else |
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| 00:35.04 | mot__ | am i on the right track? i don't want to just give this a shot, because 1) this is 42GB of data i'd like to get it right the first time and 2) there is no other backup of this data and if i screw it up, i get fired. |
| 00:35.16 | dondelelcaro | mot__: look at the -a and -P options, as I suggested. |
| 00:35.32 | dondelelcaro | mot__: and if there's no backup, you need to sit and read the manual very carefully. |
| 00:35.35 | dondelelcaro | isn't responsible |
| 00:35.45 | mot__ | dondek, i looked at -a and didn't see why archive would be relevant |
| 00:36.17 | dondelelcaro | mot__: then you didn't look at it very carefully; "archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)" |
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| 00:36.38 | themill | mot__: -a => -r == recursive (plus other things) |
| 00:37.38 | dondelelcaro | mot__: you also should have read the section below, where it verbosely describes the options, and you should have noticed that it's present in the examples... |
| 00:38.00 | mot__ | reading != skimming, sorry. |
| 00:38.12 | mot__ | i'm going on a 12-hour day i'm trying to start the backup and get the hell outta here. |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | boohoo 12 hour day .. get a real job! |
| 00:38.30 | mot__ | i'm in the navy. |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | where's that army guy now |
| 00:38.50 | mot__ | (anything else to say, abrotman?) |
| 00:38.52 | mot__ | hah. |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | mot__: yes .. it's your job .. do it or stop whining |
| 00:39.01 | themill | mot__: will you get shot at dawn if you get this wrong? or is that only an army thing? |
| 00:39.11 | mot__ | it's not a US military thing, lol. |
| 00:39.31 | abrotman | so the 12 hour day is your doing .. not your work |
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| 00:40.26 | mot__ | sorta kinda not really? i'm actually covering for one of my people. |
| 00:40.55 | mot__ | to be honest, this technically isn't even my job and i won't get 'fired' so much as i will yelled at |
| 00:41.00 | mot__ | but anyways, that's a non-issue. |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | i don't think you get "fired" in the military? :) |
| 00:41.19 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, if it save to make use of -P in conjunction with -u? |
| 00:41.28 | mot__ | abrotman, you do, but they don't call it that |
| 00:41.30 | dondelelcaro | you almost certainly don't want -u |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | that's what i mean |
| 00:41.37 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, update? |
| 00:42.00 | dondelelcaro | mot__: did you read what it actually does? |
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| 00:42.06 | abrotman | didn't he say 'a' 'v' and 'P' ? .. i didn't see a 'u' |
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| 00:45.56 | mot__ | dondelelcaro, is it allowable to specify multiple source/remote locations? i.e. rsynch -avP /DATA/foo /DATA/bar /backup/foo /backup/bar ? |
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| 00:46.01 | mot__ | -h |
| 00:46.44 | dondelelcaro | mot__: you can only have one destination. |
| 00:47.18 | mot__ | ahh so then can i specify /backup/ as the destination if the source folders already [partially] exist there? |
| 00:47.36 | dondelelcaro | if you do so correctly, yes. |
| 00:47.54 | abrotman | you mean it's partially already backedup ? |
| 00:47.59 | mot__ | partially |
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| 00:48.11 | mot__ | give or take a few GBs |
| 00:49.35 | mot__ | rsync -avP rsync -avP 'peopleware Queen share users' /media/usbdisk/MG/ <---does that look syntactically correct? (copying/updating folders Queen, peopleware, share, and users to /media/usbdisk/MG/ ?) |
| 00:50.05 | mot__ | (meh minus the first rsync -avP) |
| 00:50.55 | themill | no quotes required |
| 00:51.14 | mot__ | thanks |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | Queen ? |
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| 00:51.37 | themill | abrotman: don't ask... |
| 00:51.38 | abrotman | doesn't fit with the others really :) |
| 00:51.49 | mot__ | i didn't name these shares *shrugs* |
| 00:51.56 | abrotman | british navy! |
| 00:52.25 | mot__ | so i need trailing slash on those source directories to copy the directory by name versus the contents of those directories? |
| 00:52.57 | mot__ | i want the directories to go along with their contents...by man says 'a trailing slash on the source chances this behavior to avoid creating an additionaly directory level at the destination' |
| 00:52.58 | wd | do i have to install x window system and xfree86 just to run fvwm? i cant run xfree only? |
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| 00:53.15 | abrotman | wd: you mean xorg? |
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| 00:53.52 | abrotman | wd: wait .. are you the guy with sarge? |
| 00:53.55 | wd | abrotman: hey abrotman, no i have xfree86-common about to intall with all this other stuff x window, xbase, xdm all this just to run fvwm.. sarge. |
| 00:54.01 | gravity | parties like it's 1999 with his non-modular x server |
| 00:54.04 | wd | abrotman: you got it. |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:54.10 | wd | abrotman: i had etch but crashed |
| 00:54.11 | abrotman | wd: limited HDD space? |
| 00:54.14 | wd | yes |
| 00:54.27 | wd | very very very old lap |
| 00:54.29 | wd | lol |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | wd: are you going to use something like xdm? or just startx ? |
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| 00:54.37 | wd | startx |
| 00:55.07 | abrotman | then get fvwm and xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:55.10 | wd | abrotman: please say i don't need to fill my hd 132mg of xdm xbase-clients and all |
| 00:55.16 | wd | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:55.31 | abrotman | at least .. i think that was the metapackage .. |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | it's been a long time :) |
| 00:56.03 | wd | abrotman: haha funny.... |
| 00:56.04 | wd | lol |
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| 00:59.10 | wd | abrotman: i've been reinstalling day and night... :( 2.4 to 2.6 sarge to etch.. openbsd, freebsd, debian .. lol |
| 00:59.29 | wd | abrotman: looks like debian is ** still ** the winner lol |
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| 00:59.39 | abrotman | you missed netbsd! |
| 00:59.52 | dvs | good! |
| 00:59.58 | wd | abrotman: well after open and free failed.. heck. |
| 00:59.58 | Nyle | hola |
| 01:00.03 | dvs | bonjour! |
| 01:00.09 | Nyle | whats up |
| 01:00.21 | dvs | my blood pressure |
| 01:00.25 | wd | abrotman: hey got something for u. |
| 01:00.36 | wd | abrotman: |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | wd: |
| 01:00.42 | wd | abrotman: http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 01:00.44 | Nyle | dvs, hmm |
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| 01:00.52 | Nyle | dvs, hey have medicine for that |
| 01:01.02 | dvs | they do? ;-) |
| 01:01.05 | abrotman | wd: your webserver is very broken |
| 01:01.08 | wd | abrotman: ok. look at the bottom. he got a 2.6.9 to run.. all the debian's 2.6 failed on me |
| 01:01.37 | wd | abrotman: wait how do u know? |
| 01:01.38 | wd | lol |
| 01:01.47 | wd | abrotman: wait. |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | i clicked on the link ? |
| 01:02.15 | wd | abrotman: ooops. http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
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| 01:02.24 | abrotman | same link ? |
| 01:02.30 | abrotman | still broken! |
| 01:02.31 | wd | yea i just tested it |
| 01:02.36 | wd | what |
| 01:02.37 | wd | omg |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | page loads .. php include fails everywhere |
| 01:02.46 | wd | abrotman: rats |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | i bet it wasn't rats |
| 01:03.02 | wd | ok well nvm |
| 01:03.04 | wd | lol |
| 01:03.05 | wd | oh u |
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| 01:05.45 | wd | abrotman: im using laptop 547meg hd, 40meg ram, 100mhz.. need simple config.. i had sarge with fvwm dillo man i'm missing fluxbox something terrible but i'll be paging swap like crazy huh? |
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| 01:06.32 | cesar_CR | hello guys |
| 01:06.40 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | wd: i used to use blackbox on a 486 with less RAM |
| 01:07.24 | cesar_CR | I need some opinios about migrating from Etch to Lenny on a Non-production server ? it's a workstation at home |
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| 01:07.52 | wd | abrotman: no way. fluxbox came from black box right? it's still present? |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 01:08.21 | abrotman | !info blackbox etch |
| 01:08.40 | dpkg | blackbox: (Window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.70.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 247 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
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| 01:09.03 | wd | abrotman: installed size what. no way. |
| 01:09.08 | wd | that's it? |
| 01:09.34 | wd | abrotman: that's lite. is that liter that fvwm? i was told fvwm is liter that fluxbox. |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | no idea .. don't use either |
| 01:10.25 | nevyn | wd: ion is lighter still. |
| 01:10.30 | nevyn | as is dwm |
| 01:10.46 | wd | nevyn: ion. googling now. |
| 01:10.51 | abrotman | !xwinman |
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| 01:10.51 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 01:11.27 | nevyn | wd: there's a window manager with a design spec that requires it stay under 2000 lines of C |
| 01:11.44 | nevyn | wd: but why would you want such a thing |
| 01:11.49 | mot__ | lightweight. |
| 01:12.05 | WormFood | does anyone still use sawfish/sawmill window manager? |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | i use sawfish right now |
| 01:14.15 | WormFood | cool...I've been using sawfish for many years (and still do) |
| 01:14.32 | WormFood | you know what they say abrotman....great minds think alike :P |
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| 01:15.38 | Lagbolt | WormFood, whats so cool bout sawfish? i am lookin for a change |
| 01:16.15 | WormFood | it is light weight, and fast |
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| 01:16.30 | nevyn | wd: http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm |
| 01:16.34 | WormFood | it does what I want, and does it well, and I never bothered looking for something else |
| 01:16.35 | wd | nevyn: ok |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | WormFood: i use it with gnome |
| 01:16.43 | WormFood | I set up my key bindings the way I like |
| 01:16.47 | WormFood | I use it with gnome too |
| 01:16.55 | nevyn | I quite like kwin |
| 01:16.59 | WormFood | and I like the window frame I use too |
| 01:17.04 | nevyn | It mostly doesn't do stupid things |
| 01:17.13 | nevyn | It's very themeable. |
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| 01:17.42 | WormFood | I use aboslute-e....don't know why I like that one so much |
| 01:17.45 | wd | nevyn: cool |
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| 01:18.11 | nevyn | but it's big. |
| 01:18.13 | wd | well i only have 40 mg ram and 100mhz so i need something really lite |
| 01:18.39 | titii | Hello, please how to carrefully update the mySQL 5.0 into 5.1? Thank you |
| 01:18.53 | nevyn | wd: honestly ion/ratpoison/dwm are going to drive you insane stick with something like fluxbox |
| 01:19.04 | wd | nevyn: oh ok |
| 01:19.25 | nevyn | and with 40mb of ram you're going to be in trouble running a modern web browser like firefox |
| 01:19.34 | abrotman | he's using dillo |
| 01:19.36 | wd | nevyn: yea i used dil |
| 01:19.57 | timlarson | ratpoison is great for an old notebook pc with a tiny screen...that is how I used it. |
| 01:20.07 | wd | timlarson: oh |
| 01:20.40 | timlarson | but I would not be very likely to use it in a less restricted hardware setup. |
| 01:21.04 | nevyn | I want to set up kde4 with no panel and a hotkey for the widgets when I buy an eeepc 900 |
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| 01:24.21 | cesar_CR | guys any tutorial for upgrading Etch to Lenny ??? |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | !tell cesar_CR about etch->lenny |
| 01:24.51 | ceil420 | is there a way to update libc6 in Etch? ;x |
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| 01:25.30 | ceil420 | actually, "version `GLIBC_2.4'" is what i need... |
| 01:25.39 | cesar_CR | yes Please ....abrotman |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | ceil420: quit playing games ... they rot your brain |
| 01:26.51 | Deepfrz | I've screwed up KDE and KDM. KDM wont start when I boot. How can I reconfigure it? I've tried doing reinstall, deleting and installing kdm and kde as well. |
| 01:27.18 | ceil420 | uh huh |
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| 01:27.26 | ceil420 | so how can i get glibc_2.4 in Etch? |
| 01:27.38 | craigevil | Deepfrz: dpkg -reconfigure kdm |
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| 01:28.31 | titii | How to successfully update the mySQL 5.0 into 5.1? Thank you |
| 01:28.34 | Deepfrz | craigevil, will that do more than reinstalling? |
| 01:28.47 | craigevil | Deepfrz: if that doesnt work dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should fix it |
| 01:29.04 | Deepfrz | craigevil, the problem started when I did an upgrade on lenny. |
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| 01:29.08 | craigevil | this isnt windows reinstalling more than likely wont fix whatever the problem is |
| 01:29.51 | craigevil | i would try dpkg-reconfigure kdm if that doesnt work reconfigure xorg will more than likely fix the issue |
| 01:29.53 | Deepfrz | craigevil, okay, thanks I'll give that a try. |
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| 01:36.15 | DynV | how do I install a program I downloaded as a tar.gz ? perferably with aptitude |
| 01:37.09 | zeitsofas | try tar -zxvf yourfile.tar.gz |
| 01:37.22 | Lagbolt | DynV, if you want to make a deb you can use checkinstall |
| 01:37.27 | zeitsofas | switch to the new folder and read the read me ;) |
| 01:37.50 | DynV | Lagbolt: isn't there a way to install a regular linux program ? |
| 01:38.01 | Lagbolt | a regular linux program? |
| 01:38.22 | Lagbolt | yeah a couple ways . . . like zeitsofas said you can untar it and install it by it's directions |
| 01:38.40 | Lagbolt | or you can switch it up using checkinstall instead of make install and it will make a deb for you |
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| 01:41.40 | DynV | zeitsofas: sorry I didn't see you reply, you didn't put my nick, thanks |
| 01:42.04 | zeitsofas | DynV: im so sorry :( |
| 01:42.30 | DynV | zeitsofas: don't worry :) |
| 01:42.37 | zeitsofas | :) |
| 01:42.57 | DynV | by any chance someone know the easiest cpp compiler ? |
| 01:43.00 | DynV | CPP |
| 01:43.13 | Lagbolt | easiest? |
| 01:43.46 | DynV | I got a .cpp and don't know anything about it |
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| 01:44.05 | DynV | except that it's safe to execute |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | hardly |
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| 01:57.09 | n3kl | is there a command to view all the users in a group? |
| 01:57.48 | icekold^ | grep <group> /etc/group |
| 01:58.03 | n3kl | icekold^: I know that one. Lokking for something like id |
| 01:58.29 | DynV | I can't seem to find g++, I'm on etch 4.01 |
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| 01:58.39 | icekold^ | n3kl: what's wrong with the grep? |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | icekold^: getent group foo |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | roughly the same as grep though |
| 01:58.49 | DynV | is it supposed to be or just can'T find g++ ? |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | !b-e DynV |
| 01:58.56 | dpkg | DynV: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:59.24 | DynV | is it part of debian ? |
| 01:59.33 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: getent |
| 01:59.37 | asg | abrotman: 'getent grope foo' never worked for me |
| 02:00.03 | n3kl | thanks |
| 02:00.05 | DynV | abrotman: is it part of debian ? |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | whoops .. told the wrong person |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | asg: that's because you installed the wife package |
| 02:00.45 | asg | abrotman: or spent too much time in -ot with Dave2 :/ |
| 02:01.02 | abrotman | asg: he's a bad influence! |
| 02:01.12 | DynV | abrotman: found it thanks ! :D |
| 02:01.40 | asg | abrotman: besides, I've had the wife packge since slink and haven't upgraded |
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| 02:02.04 | abrotman | asg: you need one of those swedish things :) |
| 02:02.26 | asg | abrotman: wifes? or some furniture thingy? |
| 02:02.40 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I don't think a chef is going help him |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | asg: do you buy swedish furniture? |
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| 02:03.17 | abrotman | does dpkg have a bork mode? |
| 02:03.22 | asg | abrotman: no |
| 02:03.24 | asg | !bork |
| 02:03.24 | dpkg | from memory, bork is to sexor as in "bork bjork", lart to death, or a nicer curse word, or the Swedish Chef's favorite word, or broke |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | no .. like |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | !pig latin asg likes eggs |
| 02:03.41 | DynV | if I'm on AMD64 and my portable is i386, do I need to compile on both compuers or copying will execute well ? |
| 02:03.42 | dpkg | Get up, latin asg likes eggs boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 02:03.48 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | !piglatin asg likes eggs |
| 02:03.57 | dpkg | asgway ikeslay eggsway |
| 02:03.59 | abrotman | better :) |
| 02:04.01 | asg | abrotman: someone is playing with the factoids |
| 02:04.48 | asg | !chef abrotman likes cheesesteak |
| 02:04.55 | asg | ... it's thinking |
| 02:04.58 | abrotman | !bork asg eats cheese |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 02:13.22 | DynV | OK ! I compiled with g++ and there's a a.out file, what do I do with it ? |
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| 02:13.35 | ectospasm | DynV: execute it |
| 02:13.59 | DynV | ectospasm: just type a.cout in command ? |
| 02:14.26 | ectospasm | although you could have gotten a better filename by compiling like this: g++ -o file file.cpp |
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| 02:16.31 | DynV | can't I just rename it ? |
| 02:17.02 | ectospasm | that too, but is it executable now? |
| 02:17.15 | ectospasm | if not, chmod +x it |
| 02:17.20 | DynV | ah |
| 02:18.15 | DynV | it's -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 02:19.06 | ectospasm | then execute it |
| 02:19.21 | DynV | command won't let me complete it |
| 02:19.32 | ectospasm | try /path/to/file, or if it's in your pwd, ./file |
| 02:19.37 | icekold^ | put a ./ before it |
| 02:19.39 | DynV | bash: a.out: command not found |
| 02:19.39 | icekold^ | ./a.out |
| 02:19.54 | DynV | ah ! |
| 02:19.56 | DynV | :) |
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| 02:20.24 | DynV | YES ! :D |
| 02:20.30 | DynV | pep8 |
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| 02:21.37 | DynV | is there a directory os somthing I can put it in so it can be reached from any path ? |
| 02:21.48 | icekold^ | yes |
| 02:21.56 | icekold^ | echo $PATH to show you a list of possibles |
| 02:22.03 | DynV | ty |
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| 02:22.15 | icekold^ | probably want to put it in /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 02:22.37 | DynV | cool ! whats sbin ? |
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| 02:23.05 | icekold^ | for binaries that do more with the system and/or need root privs |
| 02:23.09 | nevyn | DynV: any directory in the path. |
| 02:23.09 | nevyn | DynV: but. you really should rename the file to something other than a.out |
| 02:23.23 | DynV | nevyn: it is :) |
| 02:23.45 | DynV | it's compiled on AMD64, will it work on i386 ? |
| 02:23.56 | icekold^ | no |
| 02:23.59 | DynV | k |
| 02:24.17 | nevyn | DynV: if it's for everyone on the systems use then /usr/local/bin if it's just for your use then ~/bin and add it to your shell startups |
| 02:24.42 | DynV | nevyn: ty |
| 02:25.10 | nevyn | DynV: there should be a commented section in ~/.bashrc to add ~/bin to your path on login that's commented |
| 02:25.25 | DynV | if I want to share it, should I give specification like etch 4.01 or is there something broader it will work with ? |
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| 02:26.53 | nevyn | DynV: if you want to give it to other people you should document it and make a package. |
| 02:27.46 | DynV | nevyn: oh ok ... they'll just compile iot too then ! :P |
| 02:28.07 | nevyn | you should document it anyway |
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| 02:28.38 | nevyn | even a readme file that goes with the C file or substancial comment at the start of the C file is better than nothing. |
| 02:29.55 | DynV | coment like compiled on etch 4.01 AMD64 ? |
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| 02:32.23 | DynV | TYVM all, I won't have to use the ONLY compiled version available in the public university ... Windows ! >:( |
| 02:33.00 | DynV | I can understand private companies not makind it available for linux but governement agencies ?! |
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| 02:37.39 | Akuw | Hi |
| 02:37.51 | Akuw | ni hao |
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| 02:43.53 | elGuille_wugro | hello everyone |
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| 02:44.39 | tj83 | hello all. |
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| 02:45.41 | abrotman | tj83: you should find a nick and stick with it |
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| 02:45.54 | tj83 | does anyone know the fundamentals of IO-APIC? Especialy pertaining to AMD cpu's and the linux kenerl... issues and problems |
| 02:46.00 | abrotman | or maybe that's the wrong tj |
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| 02:46.15 | Kaell | could anyone help me get my mouse working properly? |
| 02:46.16 | tj83 | abrotman...sad to say.. i'm on my gf win machine... sorry its me guys |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:46.27 | Kaell | it would be much appreciated |
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| 02:46.28 | abrotman | tj83: you can turn apic off |
| 02:46.46 | tj83 | i tried... but seems to slow down performance considerably. |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | sure does |
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| 02:47.37 | Kaell | when i scroll it goes very slowly |
| 02:47.47 | Kaell | some of the buttons dont work |
| 02:47.53 | tj83 | so... why is this still a problem then abrotman? I read on wikipedia its an Intel thing.... why doesnt the linux kernel support AMD equally? |
| 02:48.28 | abrotman | it's an intel version of an AMD design |
| 02:48.29 | hinata | I'm trying to install fglrx drivers for my ati mobility radeon X600 on Debian/sid using that: http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html | But when I do that: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) I get this message: Pas de version candidate trouvée pour linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 ^^' What is the problem?? :( |
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| 02:48.50 | abrotman | tj83: you could also try a newer kernel from backports.org or /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 02:49.14 | Kaell | seems your OS got hijacked by the french? |
| 02:49.18 | Kaell | >< |
| 02:49.23 | tj83 | so my AMD machine doesnt have and IO-APIC device? if not i assume there is another terminology or name for a comparable system operation for the AMD? |
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| 02:49.42 | Kaell | type the kernel name manually |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | sure it does |
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| 02:51.30 | tj83 | abrotman.. I know its not appreciated to bring Ubuntu issues here, but this is technically a kernel issue... so any advice for the kernel 2.6.24? |
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| 02:51.36 | hinata | :( |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | tj83: if it's Ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | or ##kernel |
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| 02:52.41 | tj83 | It is... but its a general subject not really distro specific. and its much more peaceful here. |
| 02:52.43 | linuxguy | Im just wondeing....whats the better card to usse an ati or an nvidia?.....ive a choice of 2 an 128 mbati 9600xt or an 256mb fx5500 |
| 02:52.47 | path_ | anybody who translates packages here ? |
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| 02:53.14 | tj83 | linux guy.... i always liked ATI.... but i am regretting it now :( just my opinion though. |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | tj83: it's offtopic here .. Ubuntu provided your kernel .. please ask there .. |
| 02:53.50 | linuxguy | tj83, problems with drivers? |
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| 02:54.46 | tj83 | abrotman.... thanks anyway... I'll come back when i have a debian subject... but just as nothing more than a friendly comment.... can you just lighten up a tincy wincy tiny little bit every once and again? |
| 02:55.08 | tj83 | linuxguy...yes.. drivers |
| 02:55.58 | linuxguy | tj....same think here.....there must be a solution |
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| 02:58.01 | linuxguy | Dos anyone else have the issue problems with ati or nvidia cards? |
| 02:58.50 | Xenguy | linuxguy: do you want to run stable debian? |
| 02:59.57 | catsup | wd: you can use make-kpkg on an official kernel.org kernel |
| 03:00.29 | linuxguy | Xenguy, ,,,,,,yes its 4.03 |
| 03:01.04 | Xenguy | linuxguy: nvidia works for me fine, once I learned how to patch when a new kernel arrives :-) |
| 03:01.33 | Xenguy | linuxguy: I don't know if lenny and sid are nvidia friendly again, but they sure weren't some time ago :-/ |
| 03:01.37 | acehigh | anyone got a good howto on getting flash installed on debian? |
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| 03:03.14 | Orion_X11 | !flash |
| 03:03.14 | dpkg | from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:03.20 | Xenguy | linuxguy: see the wiki instructions for nvidia instructions - they seem to work fine (tho requires some reading) |
| 03:03.21 | linuxguy | Xenguy, and installing the drivers was ok?........I was told that the 2 cards i can use arent really supported anymore....something to do with the licensing of the drivers for debian |
| 03:04.23 | Xenguy | linuxguy: worked fine for me, but I can't even tell you what my driver is :P except that it's nvidia |
| 03:04.54 | linuxguy | Xenguy, thanks...>>I will check the wiki out |
| 03:05.00 | Xenguy | linuxguy: hrm, looks like GeForce 6100 ? |
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| 03:06.11 | Xenguy | good luck then |
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| 03:07.21 | Xenguy | linuxguy: one last thing... |
| 03:07.43 | linuxguy | xen.....yes i know it.........im interesting in getting the ati card working more though because it out performed the 5500 by almost 200% |
| 03:08.07 | Xenguy | linuxguy: whenever I install a new kernel, I need to do this to patch nvidia drivers... |
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| 03:08.20 | Xenguy | 1. m-a update |
| 03:08.21 | Xenguy | 2. m-a prepare |
| 03:08.23 | Xenguy | 3. m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 03:08.39 | Xenguy | linuxguy: that's it, that's all, have fun then :-) |
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| 03:09.28 | linuxguy | xen do you think it would be the same with ati? |
| 03:09.44 | fortruth | my laptop has the ipw3945 wifi. i am using kernel-2.6.24-1 in lenny. how do i startup my wifi |
| 03:10.03 | Xenguy | linuxguy: I have no experience with ATI, but check the wiki first I would think :-) |
| 03:10.24 | linuxguy | xedasx, .....yes looking there now :) |
| 03:10.59 | Xenguy | heads for dreamland... |
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| 03:12.21 | Kaell | is the reason my screen updates slowly because debian stable doesnt have drivers for X1300? |
| 03:12.43 | Kaell | do i need to go to some other distro in order to have decent video? or is this the case with all linux distros? |
| 03:13.07 | streuner_ | Kaell: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 03:13.46 | Kaell | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 [Radeon X1300] (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 03:13.52 | streuner_ | Kaell: for the second question, no. |
| 03:13.55 | nevyn | Kaell: there are no drivers for a X1300 included by default in debian. |
| 03:14.32 | nevyn | Kaell: and indeed in the strict definition of the debian distribution at all. |
| 03:14.35 | Kaell | any pointers to where to start to get my system running well? i have no idea where to even start as far as video drivers on linux |
| 03:14.54 | nevyn | Kaell: start by buying supported hardware.. but it's a little late for that. |
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| 03:14.57 | Kaell | i see, so there wont be anything in the debian stable repos? |
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| 03:15.17 | nevyn | Kaell: debian does not include non-free and contrib by definition. |
| 03:15.31 | streuner_ | but its possible |
| 03:15.35 | nevyn | Kaell: there may be software to support that hardware availible but it's not "part of debian" |
| 03:15.35 | streuner_ | use your brain |
| 03:15.46 | Kaell | ok, thanks |
| 03:16.13 | Coweater | Kaell: you're probably looking at using the fglrx driver /msg dpkg fglrx and /msg dpkg ati |
| 03:16.16 | nevyn | Kaell: I'd start by installing module-assistant and the fglx module |
| 03:16.27 | streuner_ | nevyn: well, if i would be your boss i would fire you now |
| 03:16.47 | nevyn | streuner_: why? |
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| 03:17.22 | streuner_ | because you are an idiot |
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| 03:17.48 | nevyn | streuner_: seriously.. I have a purebreed horse I want to use to get around.. but I cant' work out how to use it with my ferrari. |
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| 03:18.59 | markybob | i just spent five hours doing benchmarks on vbox vs kvm. for those interested, kvm beats in just about everything. not by much, but enough to matter. kvm compiled pidgin 2 minutes faster than vbox (18m32.503s vs 16m42.838) |
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| 03:30.53 | crazyfrog | how to extract files from a microsoft compressed file:filename.rar? |
| 03:31.29 | WormFood | markybob, how does it compare to vmware? |
| 03:31.51 | WormFood | crazyfrog, did you try "unrar"? |
| 03:32.09 | markybob | WormFood dont know yet. i'm setting up to do that next :) |
| 03:32.11 | crazyfrog | i will try,thanks |
| 03:32.18 | Coweater | crazyfrog: unrar-free (doesn't work with newer rar formats) or more likely unrar (which is in non-free) |
| 03:32.45 | WormFood | you can download a linux version of rar from rarsoft.com last time I checked |
| 03:33.09 | Coweater | there are debian packages available, they're just in non-free |
| 03:33.37 | WormFood | I always use "rar" with a cracked reg file |
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| 03:34.10 | WormFood | markybob, would you be kind enough to /msg me your results, or say my nick when you share your results, so I can see them too (I'm about to leave the house soon) |
| 03:34.26 | K|NgGh0sT | If I have a whole liust of files, and I need to rename them all by just taking the same character out of every file, is there an easy way to do this? |
| 03:34.32 | markybob | WormFood sure thing |
| 03:35.09 | WormFood | thanks, I appreciate it |
| 03:35.21 | WormFood | K|NgGh0sT, yes |
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| 03:35.32 | WormFood | there are many ways to do it |
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| 03:35.34 | karsten | crazyfrog: aptitude install unrar. non-free |
| 03:36.01 | karsten | crazyfrog: Doesn't work for _all_ rar archives, as it's a nonstandard "format" with several noncompatible versions, but that usually works. |
| 03:36.04 | K|NgGh0sT | Wolfete, nice, can ya explain a way please |
| 03:36.41 | crazyfrog | Karsten:unrar-free did not work |
| 03:36.58 | karsten | crazyfrog: Try non-free then. |
| 03:37.12 | WormFood | for i in *X* ; do echo mv "`echo $i | sed 's/X//'`" "$i" ; done...that just outputs the commands to be executed....after you are sure that is what you want, remove the first 'echo' |
| 03:37.13 | karsten | crazyfrog: And see what I told you above. It's a nonstandard archiving format. |
| 03:37.27 | acehigh | Woot |
| 03:37.40 | acehigh | I got a all in one printer configured in debian |
| 03:37.49 | WormFood | I may have overlooked or misremembered something, so use at your own risk K|NgGh0sT |
| 03:38.07 | K|NgGh0sT | Wolfete, , I'll make a copy first and try it |
| 03:38.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks |
| 03:38.13 | K|NgGh0sT | er WormFood |
| 03:38.44 | WormFood | that won't actually do anything, until you remove the first 'echo' |
| 03:39.06 | WormFood | of course, there are other ways to do it too, so if someone has a better way, then speak up |
| 03:39.16 | crazyfrog | karsten:unrar.non-free right?i can not find the package |
| 03:39.26 | WormFood | and of course, replace "X" with the character you want to replace |
| 03:40.01 | icekold^ | K|NgGh0sT: for i in `ls -lC1`; do echo $i | sed 's/stuff//'; done |
| 03:40.08 | karsten | crazyfrog: You'll need to allow non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 03:40.17 | WormFood | crazyfrog, learn some of the basics of debian repositories |
| 03:40.28 | K|NgGh0sT | onesec guys gotta reset the size of this font so I can read it |
| 03:40.33 | K|NgGh0sT | usoing a tv for a monitor |
| 03:41.07 | karsten | crazyfrog: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 03:41.19 | karsten | WormFood: That's a slightly more useful response. |
| 03:41.32 | WormFood | thanks karsten |
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| 03:42.02 | WormFood | icekold^, why use 'ls'? how is that supposed to rename the files? |
| 03:42.27 | icekold^ | WormFood: no, I was just brain-farting for my own benefit |
| 03:42.41 | karsten | WormFood: Generating filelists to do renames. |
| 03:42.44 | WormFood | icekold^, that will not work if colors are turned on |
| 03:42.59 | karsten | icekold^: There *is* an "mmove" or "rename" command, based on perl, that does renames based on regexes. |
| 03:43.14 | icekold^ | yes it will as the colors are removed with the C1 switch |
| 03:43.18 | K|NgGh0sT | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.22 | K|NgGh0sT | That's what I want right? |
| 03:43.27 | karsten | WormFood: Depends on how colors are enabled. If' it's '--color=auto' it's fine (ansi colors are disabled when stdout != tty). |
| 03:43.33 | WormFood | that will also not work if there are any special characters ...echo will error out |
| 03:43.36 | K|NgGh0sT | If the text I need to remove is ? ? |
| 03:43.57 | WormFood | icekold^, colors are not removed with the "C1" switch |
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| 03:44.06 | icekold^ | WormFood: they are on my install of Etch |
| 03:44.14 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: Try an "echo mv ..." first. See if the command looks like what you want first. |
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| 03:44.28 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: ... then either remove the 'echo' or just pipe to 'bash'. |
| 03:44.36 | WormFood | karsten, colors are not disabled when running through a pipe in my experience |
| 03:45.14 | karsten | WormFood: Woath's your 'ls' alias? |
| 03:45.18 | karsten | erm, "what". |
| 03:45.23 | WormFood | anyways, I need to leave....I hope that helps K|NgGh0sT....I'll see you all l8r |
| 03:45.39 | karsten | WormFood: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 03:45.42 | WormFood | karsten, it is --color=auto....and I'm running sid |
| 03:45.44 | karsten | WormFood: Ta. |
| 03:45.53 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 03:46.10 | WormFood | I just unalias ls when I need to use the output of ls anymore....I just got into that habit |
| 03:46.17 | K|NgGh0sT | It just echos the same thing back, eg, mv file ? ?.txt file ? ?.txt |
| 03:46.23 | K|NgGh0sT | It doesn't actually remove anything |
| 03:46.30 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks WormFood |
| 03:46.39 | karsten | WormFood: '\ls' will unalias it (the backslash dereferences the alias) |
| 03:46.51 | karsten | WormFood: As will '/bin/ls' (full path invocation). |
| 03:47.04 | WormFood | K|NgGh0sT, I told you that my command wouldn't actually do anything, until you remove the first 'echo' (after "do") |
| 03:47.11 | karsten | WormFood: However, the behavior you're describing doesn't match the docs. |
| 03:47.20 | WormFood | that is nice to know karsten, thanks for the tip |
| 03:47.34 | WormFood | karsten, perhaps it has been changed recently |
| 03:47.53 | SerajewelKS | why would one of my cores be seeing ~100% wait instead of ~100% idle? |
| 03:47.59 | K|NgGh0sT | WormFood, I understand that, but it's not actually showing the change on echo |
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| 03:48.18 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: Stuck processes, usually hung on IO, network or device, would be my guess. |
| 03:48.38 | SerajewelKS | karsten: hey i'm over here <--- |
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| 03:49.05 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i suspect that it's stuck on sdb which has been showing weird crap in smartctl output |
| 03:49.06 | WormFood | K|NgGh0sT, sorry I can't help you more now, I need to go....I'm sure someone else can help you....there are some incredibly smart people here |
| 03:49.07 | K|NgGh0sT | WormFood, , Instead of mv Test? ?.txt Test.txt like I want it's mv Test? ?.txt Test? ?.txt |
| 03:49.21 | WormFood | heh |
| 03:49.21 | SerajewelKS | karsten: how can i tell which process or preferably which file this is happening over? |
| 03:49.26 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I'm clearly only partly here. |
| 03:49.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: :) |
| 03:49.37 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Look for 'Z' or 'D' state in 'ps waux' output. |
| 03:50.00 | WormFood | K|NgGh0sT, try "ls -b", and make sure it is really a question mark, and not a non-printable character |
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| 03:50.32 | SerajewelKS | karsten: as i thought, it is pidgin |
| 03:50.38 | SerajewelKS | seems it's lagging doing something |
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| 03:50.45 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: You can also list files w/ inodes, find them by inodes, and run xargs to nuke 'em by inodes. |
| 03:50.45 | SerajewelKS | i suspect with this disk |
| 03:51.05 | karsten | SerajewelKS: IME it's usually network activity that kills. |
| 03:51.09 | WormFood | karsten, he is not trying to delete them, he is trying to rename them |
| 03:51.09 | SerajewelKS | karsten: the big number in smartctl output is Seek_Error_Rate |
| 03:51.10 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... but YMMV. |
| 03:51.17 | K|NgGh0sT | WormFood, Ya it's \231\ \227\ |
| 03:51.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Ouch. |
| 03:51.25 | karsten | SerajewelKS: That smells like bad disk. |
| 03:51.26 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it's at 85259494 increasing by a few hundred each second |
| 03:51.52 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Backup what you can now, buy a new disk. What vendor? |
| 03:51.58 | SerajewelKS | karsten: maxtor |
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| 03:52.03 | karsten | Feh. |
| 03:52.05 | SerajewelKS | karsten: it seems to happen in the summer :/ |
| 03:52.10 | karsten | Not even worth target practice. |
| 03:52.12 | WormFood | K|NgGh0sT, I don't know a way off the top of my head to work around that...you'll need to get someone else to help you....it is simple, I just don't have time to play with it for you |
| 03:52.12 | SerajewelKS | smells like temp |
| 03:52.23 | K|NgGh0sT | SerajewelKS, Have fyb dealing with Seagate now |
| 03:52.28 | SerajewelKS | karsten: my other is a hitachi, it's fine |
| 03:52.33 | K|NgGh0sT | SerajewelKS, Seagate has terrible RMA |
| 03:52.34 | WormFood | l8r all....I have to go to chinese class ;) |
| 03:52.38 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: fyb? |
| 03:52.46 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I'm doing Seagate ATM, 0.5TB. |
| 03:52.48 | K|NgGh0sT | SerajewelKS, Have fun dealing with Seagate now |
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| 03:53.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Maxtor RMA used to be awesome, Seagate's is terrible |
| 03:53.16 | karsten | WormFood: Tzai Chen or however it's written. |
| 03:53.16 | SerajewelKS | my hda is a seagate, it is also fine |
| 03:53.16 | K|NgGh0sT | Wish Maxtor was still their own Company |
| 03:53.19 | K|NgGh0sT | WormFood, , thanks anywyas |
| 03:53.26 | SerajewelKS | hah |
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| 03:53.29 | SerajewelKS | or not |
| 03:53.33 | SerajewelKS | jesus, wtf |
| 03:53.41 | SerajewelKS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.49 | SerajewelKS | == Hardware_ECC_Recovered |
| 03:53.56 | karsten | SerajewelKS: What's kern.log or dmesg have to say? |
| 03:53.57 | K|NgGh0sT | Sounds like a bad Controller |
| 03:53.57 | SerajewelKS | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.02 | titii_ | Hey guys!!! From which server should I update the mySQL 5.1??? |
| 03:54.09 | SerajewelKS | K|NgGh0sT: one is sata, one is ide, so unless both controllers are dead... |
| 03:54.17 | karsten | suspects a lot of read-seek-complete failures. |
| 03:54.19 | K|NgGh0sT | Well that's just bad luck then |
| 03:54.28 | karsten | SerajewelKS: .. or bad mobo. |
| 03:54.30 | SerajewelKS | is it possible that some speed mismatch between mobo components is at fault? |
| 03:54.56 | SerajewelKS | my sda seek-error rate is fine |
| 03:55.00 | SerajewelKS | sdb and hda are all over the place |
| 03:55.14 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Not my area of expertise, but if multiple wholly seperate systems are failing, could be mobo, south-end bus, or something like that. |
| 03:55.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Okay, I'll ask again, since Wormy tried but had to run, I have a list of files I need to rename that have the text of " \231\ \227\" in them that I need removed. Anyone have a quick way, of doing so? |
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| 03:55.36 | SerajewelKS | karsten: sda working fine seems a little odd in that scenario though |
| 03:55.46 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: Removed? |
| 03:55.52 | SerajewelKS | sda and sdb on the same sata controller, hda on the mobo ide controller |
| 03:56.13 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: find . -name \*<pattern>\* -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 03:56.15 | K|NgGh0sT | Ya I want them renamed to the same name less the "\231\ \227\" |
| 03:56.35 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: ... note that that's pretty drastic. Make sure the pattern is what you want it to be. Run w/o the xargs component to see that you get the right file list first. |
| 03:57.00 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: *RENAMED* not *REMOVED*? *** DON'T *** do what I just told you. |
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| 03:57.22 | karsten | K|NgGh0sT: aptitude install rename; man rename |
| 03:57.22 | enouf | man rename :-) |
| 03:57.43 | karsten | enouf: Points for brevity, but I score on completeness. |
| 03:57.48 | enouf | readlink -f `which rename` --> prename :-P |
| 03:58.16 | enouf | karsten: it's nice to get a good long massage ;-0 thank you :-P |
| 03:58.25 | karsten | ... erm, but it's not the right package name. |
| 03:58.31 | SerajewelKS | that's what she said |
| 03:58.32 | karsten | enouf: Feh! |
| 03:58.34 | SerajewelKS | ducks |
| 03:59.08 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Yes, she did ;-) |
| 03:59.14 | enouf | perl: /usr/bin/prename |
| 03:59.15 | SerajewelKS | karsten: if it was something on the mobo do you know what bios settings i would start with? |
| 03:59.26 | SerajewelKS | karsten: assuming it's something tweakable anyway, not just borkedness |
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| 03:59.43 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Not really. I'd just see if swapping HW did/didn't fix it. |
| 04:00.00 | SerajewelKS | karsten: don't really have money to experiment with drives |
| 04:00.06 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I'd assume borkedness. Question is whether or not other HDs have the same problem. |
| 04:00.20 | karsten | SerajewelKS: That sounds like a personal problem ;-) |
| 04:00.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: those are some funky errors |
| 04:00.40 | SerajewelKS | i need a new mobo anyway though, i'm running two sata300 drives over standard pci |
| 04:00.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: not an install, correct? |
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| 04:00.56 | SerajewelKS | enouf: an install of what when who? |
| 04:01.02 | K|NgGh0sT | the rename manpage just gives an example of stripping the extension |
| 04:01.03 | elGuille_wugro | coul anyone help me please building an initial ramdisk for a customized debian system? |
| 04:01.07 | enouf | !fix SerajewelKS |
| 04:01.07 | dpkg | takes SerajewelKS to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 04:01.10 | elGuille_wugro | coul=could |
| 04:01.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: If you've got another system around, test the drives on it, or test its drives on yours, with Knoppix or something like. |
| 04:01.27 | SerajewelKS | no, not my spleen! |
| 04:01.41 | dbmoodb | so is it possible to run apparmor on debian lenny ? -- can't see a package .. |
| 04:02.25 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm |
| 04:02.26 | SerajewelKS | enouf: not sure what you're asking me |
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| 04:03.11 | SerajewelKS | karsten: i do have other systems, but not with sata controllers |
| 04:03.34 | enouf | <WormFood> for i in X ; do echo mv "`echo $i | sed 's/X//'`" "$i" ; done that just outputs the commands to be executed....after you are sure that is what you want, remove the first 'echo' |
| 04:04.56 | enouf | SerajewelKS: a debian installation |
| 04:05.08 | K|NgGh0sT | enouf, where do I put the \231\ \227 i9n that command |
| 04:05.19 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: no idea mate |
| 04:05.26 | enouf | ask #bash |
| 04:05.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i am running debian lenny if that is what you are asking |
| 04:06.16 | enouf | 7 |
| 04:06.16 | enouf | [23:53:26] <SerajewelKS> == Hardware_ECC_Recovered |
| 04:06.37 | enouf | smells like bad ram |
| 04:06.40 | K|NgGh0sT | rename just seems to be for extensions from what I gather |
| 04:06.44 | enouf | memtest86+ it |
| 04:06.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: bad ram... in the hard disks? |
| 04:07.25 | SerajewelKS | enouf: what part of my smartctl output leads you to believe the ram is bad |
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| 04:07.34 | elGuille_wugro | could anyone help with customized kamikaze kernel for x86 and initrd image? |
| 04:07.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: your HDD have ECC ? what fucked up kernel is that? |
| 04:07.43 | karsten | SerajewelKS: OK. Other option is to swap with friends, etc. Basically you've got to find out where the problem is. If you're having problems with two totally different driver architectures, I'd suspect a mobo / system issue. Might want to shell out for a shop diagnostic. Depends on what your downtime cost is. |
| 04:07.57 | karsten | WTF is kamikaze? |
| 04:07.59 | enouf | SerajewelKS: smartctl? bwahahaha |
| 04:08.08 | dbmoodb | openwrt -- karsten |
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| 04:08.39 | enouf | SerajewelKS: google 'google smartctl test result' |
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| 04:08.54 | dbmoodb | so debian isn't looking into app armor ? |
| 04:09.00 | dbmoodb | !app armor |
| 04:09.01 | enouf | filetype:pdf |
| 04:09.15 | karsten | dbmoodb: Right. I knew I'd run across that recently. I went with dd-wrt. |
| 04:09.25 | enouf | dpkg: say apparmour sucks ass |
| 04:09.26 | dpkg | apparmour sucks ass |
| 04:09.31 | Rat409 | lol |
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| 04:09.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ok which of the ten first page results am i looking for |
| 04:09.42 | dbmoodb | oh well enouf selinux seems to be hard to manage ..? |
| 04:09.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: (hint: being vague about shit isn't really helping me) |
| 04:10.15 | enouf | yes, it might be - but GUYS ,, i've been drinking ;-) |
| 04:10.23 | enouf | SerajewelKS: sorry |
| 04:10.27 | Rat409 | openwrt.org/kamikaze? |
| 04:10.50 | Rat409 | embedded linux basically |
| 04:10.59 | SerajewelKS | FWIW the latest self-test passed. but there are still lots of seek errors. |
| 04:11.04 | dbmoodb | it is rather cool ;) |
| 04:11.52 | SerajewelKS | temp is 30C |
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| 04:12.17 | enouf | SerajewelKS: http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
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| 04:14.01 | dbmoodb | so add a fan already |
| 04:14.23 | Rat409 | 30 is cool |
| 04:15.13 | kuber | beer time |
| 04:15.25 | dbmoodb | so 30 is ok ? |
| 04:15.31 | Rat409 | SerajewelKS: if recovering data is needed might try testdisk |
| 04:15.45 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.49 | Rat409 | dbmoodb: from what i've read <50 is fine |
| 04:16.07 | Rat409 | my laptops at 40C atm |
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| 04:16.27 | dbmoodb | those sata disks are weird tho |
| 04:16.35 | Rat409 | yuh |
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| 04:16.50 | dbmoodb | i hate the new connecting parts |
| 04:17.16 | dbmoodb | so what does google say about disks -- consumer ones are ok ? |
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| 04:18.01 | Rat409 | all ive seen do vary but less than 53C seems to be the main theme,of course,info varies on web |
| 04:18.27 | Rat409 | best to check the mfr's website |
| 04:18.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i scrolled back quite a few hours and don't see a clear description of you issue other than the obscure smart errors you've shown - why even run smart? |
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| 04:20.05 | enouf | not to mention what exact hardware you are on, .. and the system history (upgrades, whatever == issues started occuring when ________ and i tried _______) |
| 04:20.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: because various applications are lagging like hell doing simple things |
| 04:20.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: pidgin hangs for 30+ seconds regularly and when running games what usually is a 1 minute load easily becomes 20+ |
| 04:20.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok, what sata drives on which controllers, lspci |
| 04:20.59 | dbmoodb | Configuration:Logicalmaxcurrent cylinders MAX16383 current 65535heads max 16 current 1 sectors/track max63 current63 |
| 04:21.05 | dbmoodb | is this is problem ? |
| 04:21.11 | enouf | how much system RAM, how about swap? |
| 04:21.38 | kuber | hey dude is the greatest tv show ever fyi |
| 04:23.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: hdparm -I /dev/sda and /sdb see if "*udma5" is present (note the '*') see linux-ata.org |
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| 04:23.58 | Serajewe1KS | enouf: MAXTOR STM3320620AS is giving high seek rates on 00:0a.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4) (rev 02) |
| 04:24.03 | Serajewe1KS | enouf: 'Hitachi Deskstar T7K250 series' is on the same controller with 0 seek errors |
| 04:24.10 | enouf | Yes your BIOS IDE Config and/or SATA controller settings can affect it |
| 04:24.46 | Rat409 | promise controllers had issues in the past with linux |
| 04:25.20 | Rat409 | think it was a kernel issue |
| 04:25.21 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 04:25.28 | enouf | mucho - fakeraid - not to mention PCI bus saturation |
| 04:25.28 | SerajewelKS | i'm on 2.4.24 |
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| 04:25.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that's very possible, this is regular PCI and i'm pretty sure my AGP GPU runs on the same bus, no? |
| 04:26.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not sure why that would be causing *drive* seek errors though |
| 04:26.17 | enouf | AGP is a 2x speed PCI bus |
| 04:26.22 | enouf | 66MHz |
| 04:26.43 | SerajewelKS | btw i am not using any raid |
| 04:26.51 | enouf | and graphics only allocated - it makes use of GART |
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| 04:28.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: could be many things, does grepping dmesg for NCQ show anything? see that URL i gave |
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| 04:29.00 | SerajewelKS | enouf: just two lines, 'ata1.00: 488397168 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)' 'ata2.00: 625142448 sectors, multi 0: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32)' |
| 04:29.08 | enouf | man .. i'm tired - and getting real sleepy |
| 04:29.14 | SerajewelKS | :( |
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| 04:29.33 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok, 0/32 means not activcated - it's some info anyways |
| 04:29.53 | SerajewelKS | don't i want it activated? |
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| 04:30.11 | enouf | well, it might mean the Drives are not "capable" |
| 04:30.30 | enouf | or the wrong controller driver - or wrong BIOS settings .. or .. |
| 04:30.40 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 04:30.47 | enouf | see linux-ata.org |
| 04:30.48 | SerajewelKS | well yeah i'm getting tired too |
| 04:30.58 | enouf | there's info there about it |
| 04:31.00 | SerajewelKS | maybe i'll power it off this one night |
| 04:31.03 | SerajewelKS | let the drives sleep |
| 04:31.17 | enouf | i doubt it heat, from what i've seen so far |
| 04:31.29 | SerajewelKS | k |
| 04:31.32 | enouf | what did hdparm say? |
| 04:31.40 | SerajewelKS | i didn't run it |
| 04:31.53 | Rat409 | might bookmark thislinux 2.6 diver source http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?category=all&os=100&productID=138 |
| 04:32.10 | Rat409 | driver darn laptop keybd |
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| 04:32.30 | enouf | i recall Older Maxtors' upchucking even on windows when they should've been doing udma6 and had to be told to do udma5 for corruption reasons |
| 04:32.39 | enouf | there's all sots of crap that it could be |
| 04:32.46 | enouf | s/sots/sorts |
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| 04:32.50 | Rat409 | true |
| 04:32.54 | SerajewelKS | i don't even have hdparm installed |
| 04:33.10 | enouf | ok .. i need to chill - good luck man |
| 04:33.19 | SerajewelKS | k thanks |
| 04:33.57 | Rat409 | see if controller or hdd mfr' tools show anything,most linux rescue-disks have the tools |
| 04:36.13 | Rat409 | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/9/23/37 seems udma level is noted |
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| 04:44.07 | titii_ | Hey guys!!! There is no mySQL 5.1 for debian??? |
| 04:44.39 | zeitsofas | wünscht allen einen schönen tag | have a nice day @ all bye |
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| 04:47.11 | catsup | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 04:47.25 | catsup | (shell script) |
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| 04:49.03 | liable | looks like that fork bomb one |
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| 04:49.56 | enouf | !turd catsup |
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| 04:51.38 | titii | testing.. Can you hear me???!!!! |
| 04:51.48 | streuner_ | no |
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| 04:52.01 | catsup | streuner_: i disagree |
| 04:52.06 | titii | streuner_ whats wrong with you? |
| 04:52.37 | SerajewelKS | Rat409: you know if i can disable dma with the system running? |
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| 04:52.44 | streuner_ | catsup: sure, when did you not disagree... |
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| 04:53.20 | catsup | streuner_: that time, when you were right, i didn't... |
| 04:53.58 | VARGUX | hi |
| 04:54.28 | VARGUX | anyone knows where i can get debian logo ttf ??? |
| 04:55.16 | kevix | the debian sight has an SVG which contains the logo |
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| 04:56.35 | VARGUX | but ttf ? |
| 04:56.47 | VARGUX | kevin, but ttf sources? |
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| 04:57.04 | nevyn | why do you need ttf? |
| 04:57.06 | SerajewelKS | why would you want a ttf |
| 04:57.13 | SerajewelKS | ttfs are for fonts, not pictures |
| 04:58.00 | kevix | most folks use the Debian logo in an image. you can use the SVG to create a pasteable image. |
| 04:58.10 | streuner_ | someone wrote specially for debian some font |
| 04:58.12 | streuner_ | IIRC |
| 04:58.13 | VARGUX | i will create some debian "svg" and i need ttf |
| 04:58.28 | VARGUX | source |
| 04:58.34 | SerajewelKS | VARGUX: you only think you need ttf |
| 04:58.38 | VARGUX | yeah |
| 04:58.50 | nevyn | svg can be composed of other SVG's |
| 04:58.56 | VARGUX | i have debian logo |
| 04:59.14 | nevyn | you need the font that DEBIAN is in. |
| 04:59.19 | VARGUX | only, i need ttf sources |
| 04:59.22 | VARGUX | yeah |
| 04:59.34 | nevyn | the word debian in the logo what font is used |
| 04:59.40 | nevyn | bet's it's non-free |
| 04:59.46 | catsup | haha |
| 04:59.58 | SerajewelKS | it is a non-free font |
| 05:00.00 | SerajewelKS | you have to buy it |
| 05:00.05 | VARGUX | mmm |
| 05:00.11 | Rat409 | lol |
| 05:00.32 | catsup | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22debian%20logo%20font%22 |
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| 05:00.44 | VARGUX | and.. if i use this ttf http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Download |
| 05:00.47 | catsup | 'Poppl Laudation Condensed' non-free |
| 05:00.54 | kevix | if you wanted to 'type' the word 'debian' in a document, you would need the logo. |
| 05:00.55 | acidchild | what tool can i use to find out which package a tool i want is in? |
| 05:01.01 | acidchild | save me asking dumb questions on IRC.. |
| 05:01.02 | SerajewelKS | acidchild: apt-file |
| 05:01.14 | acidchild | thanks. |
| 05:02.00 | kevix | acidchild: apt-file get a database of files from the internet, so you need access at least one time to update the database |
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| 05:03.42 | acidchild | thanks SerajewelKS and kevix |
| 05:03.45 | acidchild | :) great help. |
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| 05:06.23 | phyburn | how do you fully remove a package? Because I used apt-get remove 'package name' but I still see config files? |
| 05:06.29 | catsup | dpkg --purge |
| 05:06.29 | dpkg | catsup: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:06.44 | acidchild | haha. |
| 05:06.52 | catsup | dpkg: you better hope not, because it's going up your rear |
| 05:06.52 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 05:07.38 | nevyn | VARGUX: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo has details with a free "option" that isn't the same font but close |
| 05:07.52 | catsup | !debian font logo |
| 05:08.06 | catsup | !debian logo font |
| 05:08.06 | dpkg | The debian logo's font is Poppl Laudation Condensed. http://www.identifont.com/show?U5 by Friedrich Poppl. |
| 05:09.04 | VARGUX | thanks !!! |
| 05:09.05 | catsup | i wonder who put that font in the logo in the first place |
| 05:09.09 | acidchild | anyone know a userland VPN client/daemon? |
| 05:09.54 | catsup | acidchild: ssh |
| 05:09.58 | catsup | oh wait |
| 05:09.59 | xuser | is there a debian way for adding ftp only accounts? |
| 05:10.12 | acidchild | SSH or stunnel isn't VPN exacly |
| 05:10.23 | acidchild | my kernel doesn't have tun/tap drivers.. |
| 05:10.26 | catsup | no, not quite |
| 05:10.28 | acidchild | so i'm trying to think of an alternative. |
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| 05:10.54 | acidchild | and i can't change the kernel because its a VPS.. :/ |
| 05:11.21 | catsup | i don't know anything about 'tinc' |
| 05:11.30 | catsup | but it's in debian |
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| 05:12.05 | acidchild | tinc requires tun/tap :/ |
| 05:12.13 | acidchild | i use TINC for the rest of my VPN grid |
| 05:12.21 | jaggz- | my ejabberd stopped working on my old system.. I'm trying to setup a new jabber server on my "new" etch system now.. |
| 05:12.29 | catsup | oh. maybe you could set it up with ssh and a socks proxy or something |
| 05:12.39 | jaggz- | I'm thinking I'll go with the plain "jabber" package? |
| 05:12.42 | catsup | i don't know, you don't get any routing |
| 05:13.40 | phyburn | i used dpkg to remove a package, now I'm trying to reinstall it and apt-get wont fully install it =( |
| 05:13.56 | phyburn | I think apt things some files are still on my computer so it wont re install them |
| 05:14.00 | acidchild | catsup: i think ssh and a socks proxy is good enough |
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| 05:15.36 | liable | phyburn: you hand deleted some config files? |
| 05:15.49 | phyburn | i hand deleted some stuff yes =( |
| 05:15.51 | catsup | phyburn: if that's the case you can use dpkg --force-overwrite |
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| 05:15.58 | liable | !confmiss |
| 05:15.58 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 05:16.16 | catsup | yeah i figured it wasn't |
| 05:17.09 | phyburn | catsup, so dpkg --force-overwrite vuurmuur |
| 05:17.11 | phyburn | ? |
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| 05:19.13 | catsup | no, --force-confmiss, see the dpkg message liable showed you |
| 05:19.22 | catsup | sigh, i mean dpkg the bot |
| 05:19.23 | phyburn | okay I see it now |
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| 05:22.44 | phyburn | catsup do I include this in the command? DPkg::Options:: |
| 05:23.29 | liable | you can copy/paste that command and just replace <packagename> |
| 05:25.04 | kevix | phyburn: are you saying that yu want dpkg to use confmiss always? seems odd to me to use. |
| 05:25.23 | liable | eh? |
| 05:25.32 | phyburn | liable, yeah still seems to be missing stuff, what I did was apt-get remove vuurmuur then went into /etc/vuurmuur and just did rm * to remove everything |
| 05:25.42 | phyburn | and now it just wont install everything again |
| 05:25.49 | phyburn | also did rm -R * |
| 05:25.55 | liable | phyburn: if it had a directory in there, you need to make that as well. |
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| 05:26.12 | phyburn | liable, what do you mean make that as well? |
| 05:26.19 | phyburn | I have no idea what all the dir names were |
| 05:26.26 | catsup | really? why? |
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| 05:26.50 | liable | dunno, its what i have had to do in the past |
| 05:26.53 | catsup | you shouldn't have to, that would be silly semantics for dpkg, but i duno, i didn't even know about that option |
| 05:27.04 | phyburn | because it's a firewall program and for some reason it was bugging iptables and bring my server offline so I thought removing and reinstall everything was the way to go |
| 05:27.34 | phyburn | that's really annoying idk why apt-get remove doesn't remove everything |
| 05:27.35 | catsup | can't you just dpkg --purge and then install? |
| 05:27.40 | phyburn | that's like mac os x =( |
| 05:27.51 | kevix | phyburn: aptitude has a reinstall option or you can use purge and then install with apt-get |
| 05:27.53 | phyburn | catsup, did that |
| 05:27.56 | catsup | phyburn: dpkg --purge removes everything, apt-get remove only leaves in place configuration files |
| 05:27.57 | phyburn | didn't work sadly |
| 05:27.59 | simonrvn | --purge |
| 05:28.14 | phyburn | okay ill try --purge again |
| 05:28.42 | phyburn | god this sucks trying to do all this over SSH and the server is under DDoS lol |
| 05:28.43 | kevix | phyburn: purge allows you to have the program configured the way you want when you reinstall it. |
| 05:28.48 | phyburn | and I have no firewall |
| 05:29.14 | kevix | s/purge/remove/ |
| 05:29.45 | phyburn | okay so I;m doing dpkg --purge vuurmuur |
| 05:30.29 | catsup | kevix: the way it was configured when you decided you didn't want it ;) |
| 05:31.47 | phyburn | lol |
| 05:31.49 | phyburn | Need to get 0B/665kB of archives. |
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| 05:33.14 | phyburn | yeah nothing guys, still not installing everything =( |
| 05:33.27 | kevix | phyburn: when you use apt-get or aptitude, the package is downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives and since you didnt clean this out, you are installing the current downloaded version |
| 05:33.45 | catsup | what is the error? |
| 05:34.00 | phyburn | no error, but when the program starts says its missing its whole life |
| 05:34.13 | phyburn | its says its missing a ton of files and folder |
| 05:34.13 | catsup | uh |
| 05:34.28 | kevix | it will install (more or less) what is listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vuurmuur.list |
| 05:35.24 | kevix | it will install (more or less) what is listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vuurmuur.list |
| 05:36.14 | phyburn | kevix not in that list |
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| 05:37.26 | kevix | phyburn: what is not in the list |
| 05:38.04 | ootput | what's the name of the utility to determine the fastest (often times closest) official repo mirro? |
| 05:38.07 | ootput | *mirror? |
| 05:38.16 | markybob | WormFood around? |
| 05:38.25 | ootput | netselect-apt? |
| 05:39.00 | jim | apt-spy is or was one name for such a tool |
| 05:39.02 | WormFood | I fuckin' hate asterisk...that god damn shit has been far more problems than solutions....every time I turn around it has filled up my fuckin' hard drive, which causes other things to break, even after I delete all the bullshit asterisk did.....drives me fuckin' crazy |
| 05:39.36 | kevix | WormFood: log files? |
| 05:39.52 | jim | if you don't like asterisk.... try ampersand... try explanation point... hell, try comma... |
| 05:39.55 | WormFood | yes, of course |
| 05:39.57 | markybob | WormFood just finished the final test. i'm completely surprised. before the tests i thought they would've been exactly opposite. anyway, kvm, vbox, vmw in that order (16m42.832, 18m32.503, 20m38.165) |
| 05:40.27 | WormFood | wow...vmware is pretty slow for commercial software....but that is just one test |
| 05:40.51 | markybob | yeah. i did other tests, too. i have the tio bench logs if you want |
| 05:41.00 | jim | ... or even the most prolific... elipsis... |
| 05:42.04 | WormFood | I finally just ended up stopping asterisk, because the god damn shit just does not work for me :( |
| 05:42.26 | jim | is it easy to convert flash video files to mpeg4? to ogg theora? |
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| 05:42.44 | kevix | Have you tried one of the pre-configured asterix distro? trixbox |
| 05:43.21 | kevix | for ogg, these days I use oggconvert. it works for audio and video files. |
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| 05:44.29 | jim | does that work when converting from flash video? like youtube videos |
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| 05:45.43 | phyburn | for some reason apt-get wont install this dir anymore /usr/lib/vuurmuur/plugins/ |
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| 05:46.02 | phyburn | can't figure out why, it installed it when I first installed the program but not now |
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| 05:47.03 | jim | purge it thentry installing again (back up config files if you care, BEFORE purging) |
| 05:47.25 | phyburn | jim, ive done that and still wont install that dir |
| 05:47.38 | jim | then it's some other package |
| 05:47.51 | phyburn | AHHHHH libvuurmuur |
| 05:47.52 | phyburn | damn it |
| 05:48.20 | jim | what's a vuurmuur anyway? |
| 05:48.34 | phyburn | iptable config program it's amazing =) |
| 05:48.52 | jim | another is ipmasq, but that's for a specific application |
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| 05:50.02 | dutchfish | goodmorning, can someone tell me if this is already in etchandhalf: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd.git;a=commit;h=fd2224e563a5d23661e98c2c480d5612f4252249 and how can i get this to work on my new HD 2400 XT 500mb? |
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| 06:00.47 | cast | evening all |
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| 06:01.32 | simonrvn | hi cast |
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| 06:05.14 | cast | right, now to close hotornot and do something productive |
| 06:05.24 | cast | starts wiping eee and installing debian |
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| 06:06.06 | dutchfish | starting a first compile try from the git |
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| 06:07.03 | liable | cast: theres #debian-eeepc channel on oftc if you have questions particular to it. |
| 06:07.12 | hellues | hey |
| 06:07.17 | hellues | http://paste.ubuntu.com/11063/,ü |
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| 06:07.25 | hellues | how can i fxix this error |
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| 06:08.46 | fireba11 | hellues : you got ubuntu or debian running there ? |
| 06:08.56 | hellues | debian |
| 06:09.21 | hellues | i am using debian and this error occurs in debian |
| 06:09.49 | fireba11 | just asking because of the ubuntu pastebin |
| 06:09.55 | liable | file a bug |
| 06:10.05 | liable | or check for one |
| 06:10.20 | hellues | hmm yeah i understand i use just ubuntu`s paste |
| 06:10.34 | dutchfish | hellues, what version of libruby1.8 ? |
| 06:10.54 | cast | how'd the ,ü get there out of curiosity? |
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| 06:11.22 | hellues | 1.8.6.114-2 |
| 06:11.45 | dutchfish | !info libruby1.8 etch |
| 06:12.07 | dpkg | libruby1.8: (Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.8.5-4etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1496 kB, Installed size: 5716 kB |
| 06:12.18 | dutchfish | thats your problem ;) |
| 06:12.40 | hellues | my problem ? :p |
| 06:12.57 | fireba11 | hellues: is that unstable ? |
| 06:12.59 | dutchfish | sorry, thats why you get that error |
| 06:13.31 | hellues | no lenny |
| 06:13.49 | dutchfish | hellues, yup its still buggy |
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| 06:14.51 | hellues | hmm |
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| 06:15.07 | hellues | i am thinking of downloading libruby1.8 on etch |
| 06:15.09 | phyburn | I want to use apt-get to install a package but I need to pass special configure options how would I do that? |
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| 06:17.15 | Steveanders | hi... i m facing following error in debian |
| 06:17.17 | Steveanders | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 06:17.26 | Steveanders | can anybody help me |
| 06:17.39 | liable | !b-e Steveanders |
| 06:17.39 | dpkg | Steveanders: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 06:19.56 | Steveanders | dpkg: ok.. i m installing it |
| 06:19.56 | dpkg | Steveanders: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 06:20.46 | Steveanders | dpkg: actually i was compiling mysql and it generated errors |
| 06:20.46 | dpkg | Steveanders: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 06:23.07 | liable | Steveanders: dpkg is a bot :) |
| 06:23.16 | cast | don't tell him that :( |
| 06:23.31 | Steveanders | ohhh k... |
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| 06:23.56 | Steveanders | now i m getting the following error |
| 06:23.59 | Steveanders | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 06:25.00 | sep | Steveanders, so intall it ? if you dont know the package to install, google the error |
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| 06:26.17 | sep | Steveanders, or if you are going totaly overboard, read the README and INSTALL and see what prerequisites it have... and install those |
| 06:26.42 | sep | instead of just trying.. failing.. searching.. installing you can then just get the list of what you need and install those |
| 06:26.58 | Steveanders | sep: thanx a lot for your tips... i got the hint.. and the problem is solved |
| 06:27.03 | Steveanders | thanx for all of you |
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| 06:28.16 | simonrvn | Matic`Makovec: fix your client |
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| 06:33.54 | debian | How do I change root password? |
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| 06:34.09 | solid_liq | passwd |
| 06:34.22 | solid_liq | or sudo passwd if you need to do it that way |
| 06:34.53 | solid_liq | debian, ^^ |
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| 06:39.35 | vy | Hi! I cannot make cron to run per-user cron jobs (introduced via "crontab -e" command by related user). What might be causing the problem? Is there any default restriction of per-user cron jobs? |
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| 06:43.37 | Livingroom | dude, i just made a youtube video |
| 06:43.44 | Livingroom | when it uploads, you have to tell me what you think. i'll link it to the channel |
| 06:43.56 | cast | 3whats it about. |
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| 06:48.43 | phyburn | I want to use apt-get to install a package but I need to pass special configure options how would I do that? |
| 06:49.02 | cast | as in ./configure options? |
| 06:49.07 | phyburn | yes |
| 06:49.31 | cast | compile it yourself. maybe use apt-build or similar if you're that way inclined |
| 06:50.20 | cast | apt-get source, then edit something, dunno what the steps are, it'll be documented somewhere |
| 06:50.21 | phyburn | cast, yeah I've been trying to compile it myself but I keep getting missing this or that errors even though w/e it thinks its missing is actually on my system |
| 06:50.45 | cast | apt-get has a build-dep option |
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| 06:51.01 | phyburn | okay ill check that out |
| 06:51.02 | cast | so that should download all the build dependancies of the source package |
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| 06:51.13 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 06:51.27 | gypsymauro | there is a way to clone an entire debian repository? |
| 06:51.56 | cast | http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror sure |
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| 07:00.19 | vy | Must I introduce a custom /var/spool/cron/crontabs job to /etc/crontab file in able to get per-user cron jobs exacuted via cron in etch? |
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| 07:02.50 | evilsporkman | my resolv.conf is getting trashed periodically. /etc/init.d/networking restart fixes it but only temporarily. I am running ndiswrapper on my laptop. |
| 07:03.41 | jim | I thought the user could execcute crontab -e to edit |
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| 07:05.07 | jim | evilsporkman does it get filled in by dhcp |
| 07:05.43 | Livingroom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc |
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| 07:06.51 | evilsporkman | jim: yes, that's what i meant by networking restart fixing it |
| 07:07.18 | blame | If my ISP isn't running DNS on my IP address is it possible to launch bind DNS server of my own to dns reverse dns my domain name with the IP address assigned by the ISP? |
| 07:07.35 | vy | jim: Are you able to get your per-user cron jobs run? |
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| 07:09.24 | Livingroom | did you guys watch my latest youtoob? |
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| 07:10.10 | simonrvn | no. please don't spam. |
| 07:10.19 | Livingroom | i didnt spam. |
| 07:10.25 | Livingroom | i mentioned it like 30 minutes ago in the channel |
| 07:10.30 | dimir | Livingroom: no but we already seen your living room: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/nerd8.jpg |
| 07:10.47 | Livingroom | holy @#$& dude that would be an epic livingroom |
| 07:10.48 | simonrvn | more like 5, but anyway |
| 07:10.51 | Livingroom | all except the win2k box |
| 07:11.05 | Livingroom | <Livingroom> dude, i just made a youtube video |
| 07:11.05 | Livingroom | <Livingroom> when it uploads, you have to tell me what you think. i'll link it to the channel |
| 07:11.10 | Livingroom | that was like, 30 mins ago |
| 07:11.28 | simonrvn | .:03:05:43:. < Livingroom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc |
| 07:11.31 | dimir | [09:43] <Livingroom> when it uploads, you have to tell me what you think. i'll link it to the channel |
| 07:11.40 | dimir | Indeed. |
| 07:11.52 | dimir | [10:10] <simonrvn> more like 5, but anyway |
| 07:11.57 | dimir | 27! |
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| 07:12.02 | Livingroom | ty :) |
| 07:12.05 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:12.07 | Livingroom | but still |
| 07:12.10 | Livingroom | it's about cool *nix things |
| 07:12.27 | Livingroom | like how i linked my iphone and n800 and lappy together in harmory, sharing EDGE! |
| 07:12.37 | Livingroom | my lappy386 |
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| 07:12.45 | cast | can i have a link i can see without non-free software, which is detrimental to debians core aim |
| 07:12.46 | evilsporkman | my eyes are glazing over already and I haven't even switched to my browser. |
| 07:12.58 | Livingroom | lolz |
| 07:12.58 | dimir | Livingroom: is it you speaking? :-) |
| 07:13.02 | Livingroom | it is, yes |
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| 07:13.35 | linkslice | i'm trying to upgrade an apache 1.3 install to apache2 but it's not working http://tacomaymca.org/ |
| 07:13.43 | linkslice | it just wants to download the phtml file |
| 07:14.09 | linkslice | I *think* the php4 (I know I know) module is loaded ok any clues? |
| 07:14.54 | evilsporkman | is there a log of who is crapping on resolv.conf? |
| 07:14.55 | Kaell | looks like apache is working, eh? |
| 07:15.09 | dimir | Livingroom: this video is OK. |
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| 07:15.21 | Livingroom | sweet, ty |
| 07:15.23 | Kaell | clearly its something else that 'isnt working' |
| 07:15.49 | linkslice | Kaell, apache is indeed working, but not fully |
| 07:16.18 | linkslice | hmmm i got an idea... |
| 07:17.36 | Livingroom | dimir: do you mean ok like, so~so or like, cool/acceptable? |
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| 07:19.02 | The_Dr | Hi, I have installed gkellm but cannot find it using the sled menu. Where is it? |
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| 07:22.05 | dimir | Livingroom: I mean, I liked it. The way you talk, the way you show things and the content. Good job! |
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| 07:25.05 | catsup | linkslice: you need to load the module and set the handler |
| 07:25.19 | Livingroom | dimir: sweet, TY |
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| 07:26.25 | catsup | which should be automatic in debian... |
| 07:26.39 | catsup | but maybe not for .phtml |
| 07:26.49 | phyburn | god does anyone know what this means -_- ERROR! programmatic interface to dynamic link loader |
| 07:26.49 | phyburn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:26.56 | phyburn | ops sorry for three lines =0 |
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| 07:32.18 | simonrvn | Livingroom: i was a bit hard on you, sorry for that |
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| 07:33.32 | Livingroom | simonrvn: no, it's ok |
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| 07:35.06 | Coke | A bit OT, but I'm looking for a working x server that runs on Windows and can connect to a Debian box using XDMCP, suggestions? (cygwinx has some keyboard issues) |
| 07:35.29 | linkslice | catsup, i did, the problem was i didn't install libapache2-php5 |
| 07:35.35 | linkslice | it's fixed now |
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| 07:35.57 | meff | exceed? |
| 07:39.38 | trench | http://www.rtfm.no/fun/pic/apt-get_wife.png |
| 07:39.40 | trench | hahaha |
| 07:39.43 | vy | Does anybody have an idea about this cron problem: http://rafb.net/p/C9ih1996.html (Manually executing commands works without a problem.) |
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| 07:41.23 | Livingroom | how can i pipe output of a daemon to a txt file? isnt it program_name & >logfile.txt ? |
| 07:41.28 | Internat | out of corisoty, anyone managed to setup a decent distributed monityoring solution? something that can perform checks from multiple locations etc? |
| 07:41.45 | meff | nagios? |
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| 07:42.17 | vy | Livingroom: { program_name >logfile.txt } & |
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| 07:42.24 | vallhalla81 | hello there i am building a pc for a friend it is going to be his first linux he has no internet at the moment and some one sugested to me that debian would be better because of this do you all agre and how easy is debian for a first time user |
| 07:42.57 | Livingroom | must... resist... commas. |
| 07:42.58 | cast | i think its piss easy. just make sure you select desktop environment in the installer |
| 07:43.03 | phyburn | what is a source tree? |
| 07:43.15 | cast | phyburn: a directory tree..or source |
| 07:43.19 | cast | of* |
| 07:43.39 | phyburn | argh what would be apache source tree? |
| 07:43.45 | phyburn | Extract this archive into src/modules in the Apache source tree |
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| 07:44.03 | vallhalla81 | cast: thank you |
| 07:44.28 | cast | phyburn: the apache source code |
| 07:44.43 | vy | Livingroom: "{ program_name >logfile.txt 2>&1 } &" would fit better. |
| 07:45.16 | titii | HEY you must help me now please.... I am installing the mySQL 5.1 client package from experimental, and it should Remove the following packages: util-linux ! It is ok? Or NOT??? Help me please. Thank you |
| 07:46.16 | stew | titii: its not ok. util-linux is a 'Priority: required' 'Essential: yes' package |
| 07:46.21 | stew | titii: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 07:47.16 | titii | stew Hmmm it is strange, can you help me? But I dont know sorry, how can I get it? |
| 07:47.26 | stew | titii: how can you get what? |
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| 07:48.37 | titii | stew debian version |
| 07:48.49 | titii | stew what you would like to know |
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| 07:49.04 | stew | titii: you should not be trying to use packages from experimental |
| 07:49.50 | titii | stew hmmm, But there is also php5.2, and the php5.1 is not stable? Its strange, not? |
| 07:51.23 | stew | titii: what do you mean by stable? php 5.1.x is no longer distributed by debian |
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| 07:51.51 | Coke | Is update-alternatives still in use? |
| 07:51.56 | markybob | yes |
| 07:51.56 | stew | Coke: yes |
| 07:52.07 | Coke | I look at /usr/bin/python, it's linked to python2.4, but update-alternatives --list python gives nothing |
| 07:52.12 | Coke | I have 2.4 and 2.5 installed |
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| 07:52.31 | Coke | stew: shouldn't the Python packages handle their own alternatives? |
| 07:52.31 | stew | Coke: yes, python is not managed via alternatives |
| 07:52.31 | cbx33 | hey guys |
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| 07:52.37 | cbx33 | anyone here use kdenlive.....? |
| 07:52.42 | stew | Coke: no |
| 07:52.44 | cbx33 | or not as teh case may be with 0.6svn |
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| 07:53.27 | Livingroom | makes a note to himself: learn the ways of the RegEx |
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| 07:54.21 | vallhalla81 | does the net install require a comand line install or is it a gui? |
| 07:54.32 | Coke | stew: some packages do not support newer versions of Python, yet I know they work with them, why is this? |
| 07:55.01 | stew | Coke: what is an example? |
| 07:55.03 | cast | vallhalla81: it has a gui, just a low res one :) |
| 07:55.15 | stew | vallhalla81: either |
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| 07:55.57 | Coke | stew: python-reportlab, it says "Python verions: all" |
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| 07:56.04 | vallhalla81 | cast: thats cool its just my friend is new to all this but wants to do the install him self so gui would be better i think:) |
| 07:56.05 | linkslice | is there something special I have to do for apache2 ssl? under 1.3 I needed to install apache-ssl package |
| 07:56.06 | Coke | stew: yet, it's only installed in python2.4 site-packages |
| 07:57.02 | Coke | stew: hm, I must have got it wrong with the package vs source stuff, it's in pycentral, not site-packages. nevermind. |
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| 07:57.56 | Coke | I don't understand how Python is supposed to find reportlab under /usr/share/pycentral ?! |
| 07:57.58 | cast | ...i should probably have checked what was on that usb drive i just dded :( |
| 07:58.15 | vallhalla81 | think i will run a test install back soon |
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| 07:58.35 | Coke | apt-get install python-reportlab; python -c "import reportlab"; ImportError: No module named reportlab |
| 07:58.37 | vallhalla81 | have fun all thank you for your help |
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| 07:59.56 | stew | Coke: it wouldn't find it in /usr/share/pycentral. python-central should compile and make this package available for all supported python versions, which are returned from 'pyversions -s' |
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| 08:00.21 | Coke | stew: ah, this crap again. how do I make Python 2.5 part of pycentral |
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| 08:01.48 | stew | Coke: backport the python-defaults package |
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| 08:02.15 | stew | though i'd expect problems |
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| 08:04.06 | stew | Coke: i don't know if perhaps you can force pycentral to byte compile for some other version without backporting |
| 08:05.40 | blame | If my ISP isn't running DNS on my IP address is it possible to launch bind DNS server of my own to dns and reverse my domain name with the IP address assigned by the ISP? |
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| 08:08.09 | marinosi | Hello..I ve made a deb package from apt sources and I want to hold that package and not to be upgraded as I have configured it with some extra options that are not enables with the precompiled package.How can I do that? |
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| 08:10.29 | markybob | marinosi aptitude hold foo |
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| 08:11.47 | marinosi | apt-get hasn't got any flag like this eh? |
| 08:11.56 | markybob | no |
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| 08:14.46 | crazyfrog | configuring the X system is so hard,where can i find the manual? |
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| 08:15.04 | cast | nowdays aptitude is advised over apt-get |
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| 08:16.02 | markybob | crazyfrog so hard how? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 08:18.06 | abli | H! using gnome and debian lenny, I set the caps lock key to be an additional Ctrl (via System->Preferences->Keyboard Preferences) It works ok, however the caps lock _led_ keeps behaving as if caps lock key would be used as a caps lock (i.e. is turned on or off when I press the key. Any ideas what should I check?) |
| 08:18.21 | abli | The led toggling is quite annoying |
| 08:18.46 | jelly-home | !tell marinosi abut hold |
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| 08:18.52 | jelly-home | !tell marinosi about hold |
| 08:19.01 | cast | abli: have you considered tape |
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| 08:19.27 | abli | cast, real funny. But I don't have black tape handy. |
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| 08:20.40 | abli | plus, it is obviously a software bug |
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| 08:21.37 | crazyfrog | markbob:i want to learn about the X system,i find some howtos about XFree86,but in my box it seems use x.org.They are different,and the configure files also different .so i am quite confused |
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| 08:23.06 | markybob | crazyfrog there's documentation at x.org ...but if you have specific questions, feel free to ask |
| 08:24.14 | markybob | crazyfrog (http://www.x.org/wiki/HelpContents) |
| 08:24.39 | titii | stew no php 5.1, I updating the mySQL 5.0 to 5.1 |
| 08:24.53 | crazyfrog | markybob;thanks |
| 08:25.10 | markybob | crazyfrog also http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.8.0/doc/xorg.conf.5.html |
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| 08:26.48 | titii | stew? |
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| 08:29.42 | snogglethorpe | Anyone know how to prevent kinput2 from stealing the Control-o from all my apps? |
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| 08:31.19 | crazyfrog | markybob;what is the relationship about XFree86 and x.org? |
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| 08:31.45 | markybob | crazyfrog none anymore. xfree86 is non-free, so xorg forked |
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| 08:32.57 | markybob | crazyfrog it steams back when xfree86 changed their license. long story :P |
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| 08:33.19 | markybob | stems* |
| 08:33.39 | crazyfrog | markybob:in old version it use XFree86 ,right? |
| 08:33.44 | chickamade | does anyone use yakuake? |
| 08:34.05 | markybob | crazyfrog yes, the first version of xorg was pretty much exactly a copy of the last free version of xfree86 |
| 08:34.13 | stew | titii: yeah? |
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| 08:34.47 | crazyfrog | markybob:oh,i see |
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| 08:35.52 | christianp | hi all |
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| 08:36.50 | christianp | someone having the same problem with nm-applet? I'm trying to configure a VPN, but no VPN menu appears clicking on the applet. What's the matter? |
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| 08:39.00 | titii | stew so how it is? I dont have to update PHP, but mySQL, I have a 5.0, and there is also 5.2, today I saw it on the mysql site. So there is no mySQL 5.1 stable version at the moment? |
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| 08:39.27 | markybob | titii packaged in debian, no, there isnt |
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| 08:40.13 | titii | markybob that mean, there is no way to get it there? or is there some another way? I just would like to know |
| 08:40.31 | stew | titii: no, when stable was released over a year ago, mysql 5.1 didn't exist |
| 08:40.31 | hark | christianp: install the network-manager vpn package |
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| 08:40.45 | stew | titii: what do you need in mysql 5.1 that mysql 5.0 can't do? |
| 08:40.48 | markybob | titii debian's "stable" reputation had a bit to do with having tested software. |
| 08:40.57 | markybob | has* |
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| 08:41.23 | Lagbolt | does dpkg have info or good links for policykit? |
| 08:41.24 | markybob | titii you can get the source from experimental and build your own package from it, or install directly from source |
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| 08:43.08 | titii | stew hmmm good question, I just looked for RENAME database SQL statements, and I told my self it is no wrong also have an currently version :) |
| 08:43.34 | markybob | titii good news for you, you can rename databases in 5.0 :) |
| 08:44.09 | titii | markybob Ok, I guess that, but this is complicated for me, so if isnt there stable package, I leave it left :) |
| 08:44.43 | markybob | titii that's a good idea |
| 08:45.06 | titii | markybob hmm but how? I looking for that for some time, and on the mysql channel no one should told, hmmm noooobs??? :D exactly! :D |
| 08:45.25 | Flinx | Hello! Have problem. wget www.google.com is getting 20-30sec, when curl www.google.com takes 1 sec. |
| 08:45.37 | christianp | hark, i install network-manager-vpnc and network-manager-pptp but no VPN Connection appears :( |
| 08:46.09 | titii | markybob ofcourse no problem, I just thank you for the information there is no PHP5.1, so now its ok, I can peacely sleep :) |
| 08:46.09 | Flinx | So, firefox is getting 20 sec more for each webpage |
| 08:46.12 | markybob | titii basically you use mysqldumb and backup the old database and restore it |
| 08:46.40 | markybob | titii it's not an "official rename" method, but it sure works |
| 08:47.35 | christianp | hark, the only think i can choose is "manual configuration" :( |
| 08:47.36 | hark | christianp: try installing network-manager-vpnc-gnome |
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| 08:48.28 | markybob | titii err, i meant mysqldump, not mysqldumb :P |
| 08:48.43 | christianp | No package called "network-manager-vpnc-gnome". I find network-manager-gnome |
| 08:49.05 | titii | markybob I am no, or we can say no in all the way the linux man, but now some two days ago I got an idea to studing it and making the stuff by my own, no install my server my friend, I know just some little works, I am a programmer in the fact so it so not so far to me, I am getting to like it :d |
| 08:49.22 | Flinx | What is difference between methods curl and wget are getting pages??? Why wget is getting 20s to resolve hostname, but curl is getting less than second? |
| 08:49.30 | christianp | hark, ubuntu hardy ;) |
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| 08:50.01 | liable | !topicsmite christianp |
| 08:50.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon christianp. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:50.05 | markybob | Flinx you should probably ask in #curl |
| 08:50.48 | christianp | liable, :) I know, ubuntu people can't help me, so i try asking to debian people ;) |
| 08:50.51 | Flinx | markybob: ok, thanks, didn't thought about this node exists |
| 08:51.14 | markybob | Flinx no problem. i'd answer you if i knew :) |
| 08:51.17 | noisesmith | what is the easiest way to let my debian system know it should compile emacs packages for my hand-built emacs23? (I just had to get true type fonts) |
| 08:52.19 | titii | markybob and the subject of renaming the database. In fact I tried the dump in cmd line for the first time today, so now I know how it works a little bit, but I gues I can just rename the directory name of the database in a mySQL datasource directory, it is so? Or it is my fake guess? |
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| 08:55.15 | fengor | titii: i dont know if it would work, but personally i would not do it |
| 08:55.44 | fengor | titii: better dump the database and use sed to make your changes then reimport it |
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| 08:56.10 | fengor | that way you dont have to worry about mysql internals |
| 08:56.40 | o2T7 | hi. Which package contains `lspci` ? |
| 08:56.59 | markybob | titii yes, but make sure that mysql is not running when you rename the dir |
| 08:57.14 | cast | 0 ~$ dlocate lspci |
| 08:57.14 | cast | pciutils: /usr/share/man/man8/lspci.8.gz |
| 08:57.50 | titii | fengor so it works as an duplicateting the initial database, make an copy of it, then delete the initial old one |
| 08:57.53 | o2T7 | cast: I don't have it installed. It is for installing it |
| 08:58.06 | o2T7 | oh |
| 08:58.08 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 08:58.39 | titii | markybob fengor has an opinion to didnt do it, so the mysql-dump stay :) |
| 08:58.47 | fengor | markybob: does it update permissions and allt hat stuff that way too? |
| 08:59.04 | markybob | o2T7 pciutils |
| 08:59.17 | o2T7 | cast: markybob: thanks |
| 08:59.19 | fengor | titii: i never tried it. if markybob is sure it works you can give it a try. i just gave my personal oppinion onhow i would try it. but i am no mysql guru |
| 08:59.42 | o2T7 | there isn't a way of asking apt-cache for a given command? |
| 09:00.21 | cast | apt-file search bin/cmd |
| 09:00.36 | cast | no, there isn't with apt-cache AFAIK |
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| 09:01.18 | markybob | titii here's a step-by-step on it < 5.1 http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=31587 |
| 09:01.45 | jim | o2T7: what command do you want to ask it for? |
| 09:02.16 | markybob | o2T7 you're probably thinking of apt-file |
| 09:02.26 | o2T7 | I wanted to look for lspci, though now I know where it is |
| 09:02.40 | markybob | !find |
| 09:02.48 | markybob | hrm |
| 09:02.59 | markybob | !search |
| 09:02.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 09:03.01 | Coke | I have a tab separated CSV file, in my console the tabs are for some reason ignored which is a problem when I cut and paste. How can I make the console show true tabs? |
| 09:03.02 | markybob | there we go :P |
| 09:03.06 | jim | oic, you want to see what package that a command having a specified name is located in |
| 09:03.35 | Coke | That is, I want the console to use ascii 9 instead of 8 spaces. |
| 09:03.40 | jim | !l00kferitondag0ggl3 |
| 09:04.04 | o2T7 | Yes, apt-file seems to do the job: searching the package container for a known command |
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| 09:04.56 | jim | o2T7: there is also packages.debian.org |
| 09:04.57 | titii | Hey, what is that mean??? WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ... php5-cli php5-mysql php5-gd php5-curl libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common ,... Install these packages without verification [y/N]? What should I to choose? But maybe is fact it is already installed. What to choose? |
| 09:05.10 | jim | which also has categorized package lists |
| 09:05.31 | markybob | titii paste your sources.list somewhere and link us |
| 09:05.34 | jim | titii: WARNING: means listen up bub |
| 09:05.52 | stew | titii: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 09:06.07 | jim | The following means something that comes after "The following" |
| 09:06.54 | titii | stew UI have no apt-secure |
| 09:07.08 | o2T7 | jim: Yes, it's good. But I wanted something which I could use from the command line |
| 09:07.09 | jim | titii: if it's offering to install them, then either they are not already installed or else this is an upgrade |
| 09:07.12 | stew | dpkg: tell titii about apt-secure |
| 09:08.02 | Coke | Any idea why my copy/paste in console would translate tabs into spaces? |
| 09:08.12 | jim | you can tell if it's already installed... dpkg -s <putDaPackageNameHere> | grep Status |
| 09:08.28 | noisesmith | Coke: many editors do this |
| 09:08.52 | Coke | noisesmith: this is in regular console, bash |
| 09:09.09 | titii | jim so I have to about it? |
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| 09:09.30 | jim | Coke: when the console copy scrapes the stuff off the screen, it comes off in spaces (well sometimes) |
| 09:10.06 | stew | titii: did you see the message the dpkg bot sent you? |
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| 09:10.19 | jim | titii: you mentioned you were unsure whether the packages were already installed; perhaps you'd find it useful to know for sure. |
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| 09:10.33 | Coke | jim: how do I turn this off? |
| 09:10.36 | ricosecada | I have just installed amavis, and I am looking at the config file in /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults. It says "Debian suggests that any changes... should be made in another file..." What file? It doesn't say. |
| 09:11.12 | phyburn | what is correct server file permissions? |
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| 09:11.43 | titii | jim I is possible, butg I solve it in a simple apt-get upgrade |
| 09:12.00 | stew | phyburn: which file? |
| 09:12.38 | jim | phyburn: for which file? how many files are we talking about? do you want to know the "correct" permissions of every file on the server? perhaps you could make the decision yourself after studying a text on system administration |
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| 09:13.52 | Coke | How can I make my terminal stop converting tabs to spaces? |
| 09:14.03 | phyburn | oh sorry guys, I mean for just random files in /var/www/ |
| 09:14.18 | jim | titii: then, it's offered to you (as well as the suggestion to look at the output of dpkg --help) for future reference. |
| 09:14.24 | cast | your terminal does that? scary. editor, i can imagine |
| 09:14.45 | stew | titii: its not likely that a apt-get upgrade would solve it. you'd likely have to install the debian-archive-keyring package but it depends on whether or not this is a debian mirror that you are having trouble with |
| 09:14.56 | stew | jim: what does dpkg --help have to do with a apt repository? |
| 09:15.26 | ricosecada | http://www200.pair.com/mecham/debian/2.4.2/20-debian_defaults, what other file are they talking about? |
| 09:15.41 | Coke | cast: in editors it works fine. |
| 09:15.58 | jim | you know me... I usually give a little extra to people who ask about things. you get more than you bargained for, as well as a chance to think for yourself about what you want to do. |
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| 09:16.15 | stew | jim: i know you. you usually send people on wild goose chases |
| 09:16.31 | stew | jim: dpkg --help has lots and lots of information, and none of it would actually help him with his problem |
| 09:16.55 | jim | as mentioned, offered for future reference. |
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| 09:17.20 | jim | so that's two justifications, that's -enough-. |
| 09:17.42 | kgod | jim: You the guy I think you are? |
| 09:17.45 | stew | jim: if you would please just concentrate on helping people with problems they are asking about, instead of confusing them with completely unrelated information, it would be much more helpful |
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| 09:18.10 | jim | kgod: I'm the guy I think I am! |
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| 09:18.31 | kgod | jim: AnswerGuy? |
| 09:18.55 | jim | stew: plonk |
| 09:19.05 | jim | leave me alone |
| 09:19.12 | kgod | jim: Plonking admins isn't generally advised. |
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| 09:19.51 | kgod | BTW, fix to last night's question about konqueror's search dialog: konq-plugins. |
| 09:20.09 | kgod | Bushmills was helping me that, don't see him around. |
| 09:20.21 | titii | How to make an auto reconfigure of the package? |
| 09:21.08 | jim | kgod: doesn't matter, either I'm here or I'm not, and I'm ok either way |
| 09:21.26 | stew | titii: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 09:21.34 | jim | so well-advised or not, he's permanently plonked |
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| 09:22.01 | stew | jim: drop it |
| 09:22.18 | titii | stew thanks |
| 09:22.21 | stew | jim: and try to be more constructive with helping people in the future |
| 09:22.57 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude does 'aptitude install pkg' really involve ncurses? |
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| 09:24.36 | stew | cast: it does not. if you were to just run "aptitude" it would |
| 09:24.40 | noisesmith | cast: the [Y/n] thing where you don't have to press enter, that is often curses |
| 09:25.22 | vallhalla81 | hi i just installed Debian via net install it said it had installed ok and ejected the cd but wont go in to its first boot i get a load of text then the screen juoes black and sits there any idears |
| 09:25.49 | cast | i think that first line could do with a rewrite then, saying aptitude is ncurses based is going to deter a lot of people and they'll stop reading right there |
| 09:25.53 | noisesmith | vallhalla81: what does control-alt-f1 do? |
| 09:26.12 | noisesmith | vallhalla81: that "load of text" is normal for a debian boot |
| 09:26.12 | stew | cast: go ahead and rewrite it |
| 09:26.47 | cast | damn requirement to register :( |
| 09:26.51 | vallhalla81 | i am not sure i left it for an hour just incase then did a hard reset and had the same thing and am using a live cd for this |
| 09:27.18 | noisesmith | vallhalla81: did you install X11? |
| 09:27.22 | markybob | cast you're just confused. aptitude is ncurse based, but if you do aptitude install foo, it doesnt use ncurses unless that packages requires conf. so aptitude and aptitude install are different |
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| 09:27.56 | vallhalla81 | i installed as desktop envorment if thats what you mean |
| 09:28.23 | stew | vallhalla81: if you hit ctrl-alt-f1 from the blank screen, do you get a login screen? |
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| 09:28.46 | vallhalla81 | shall i try a reboot and use th alt-f1 if so what do i do from thre? |
| 09:29.11 | stew | vallhalla81: if you get a login prompt. login as root and run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
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| 09:29.35 | vallhalla81 | stew: i will give it a try give me a moment |
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| 09:32.13 | XtypeWriter74 | good morning |
| 09:32.48 | rahsputin | Good Morning. I have Debian Etch installed and have made a CMOS Reset on my ASUS Board BIOS... Now that i get a "DISPLAY" up again, since the Graphics didn't work... I get a reading : AWARD BOOTBLOCK BIOS v1.0 Copywrite... / BIOS ROM checksum error / DETECTING FLOPPY DRIVE A MEDIA |
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| 09:33.31 | rahsputin | Could i have some PRIVAT help from a person interested in helpin me out , in a seperate Room |
| 09:34.03 | rgr_doze | which log shows all the lines from the boot? I am trying to track down a message that scrolled past saying it could not set the system clock. |
| 09:34.05 | mbroeker | sounds like a big problem or a lonely person |
| 09:34.12 | ftales | when you backup your system to move it to another hdd with "cp -a", how should i handle /dev? |
| 09:34.14 | petemc | or BOTH |
| 09:34.30 | petemc | ftales: you shouldnt copy it |
| 09:34.48 | noisesmith | what is the name of the program that grabs the x selection from the command line? |
| 09:35.00 | ftales | petemc: so i just "mkdir /dev" and udev will create what it needs? |
| 09:35.03 | rahsputin | mbroeker: you mean me ? |
| 09:35.15 | rgr_doze | anyone? Which log would have any boot up issues stored in it? |
| 09:35.16 | mbroeker | rahsputin, yes |
| 09:35.35 | rahsputin | mbroeker: is it a really "big" problem ? |
| 09:35.38 | petemc | ftales: it will be created automagically |
| 09:35.47 | ftales | very nice |
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| 09:36.40 | mbroeker | rahsputin, best practise is to ask the big questions first and wait for the responses. |
| 09:37.07 | rahsputin | mbroeker: ?? I dont get it? |
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| 09:37.47 | vallhalla81 | ah ha i got in :) |
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| 09:38.34 | rgr_doze | rahsputin: ignore him. He's another "contributor" more interested in laying down the law than actually helping. Every group has one. |
| 09:38.40 | mbroeker | rahsputin, two people go into private with you. Both have less expierence with it and will leave the private chat. So ask first and everybody knows whether he/she is an expert in that topic or not. |
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| 09:39.07 | vallhalla81 | stew: i got it ok thank you i selectid single user mode and it booted right in |
| 09:39.34 | stew | vallhalla81: did you try 'ctrl-alt-f1'? |
| 09:39.47 | vallhalla81 | i didnt need to |
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| 09:39.59 | stew | vallhalla81: did you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'? |
| 09:40.13 | vallhalla81 | it loged str8 to the login window |
| 09:40.26 | rahsputin | mbroeker: the message went out to for everybody to read... so... |
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| 09:41.25 | mbroeker | nevermind, rahsputin. it was a guideline, not a rule. it was a tip. not an attempt to force you to something. |
| 09:41.46 | rahsputin | mbroeker: are you and "expert" in my presentation ? |
| 09:42.03 | rahsputin | an |
| 09:42.16 | mbroeker | i don't know, because i don't know your particular problem. |
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| 09:42.21 | ootput | i recently installed pcsx. I've configured the keyboard control, but for some reason, I'm unable to input anything into the loaded rom |
| 09:42.35 | ootput | are there any requesite packages? |
| 09:42.38 | kgod | Any way to sort why nvu isn't packaged for Debian? sarge backports, per p.d.o. |
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| 09:42.56 | markybob | kgod because nvu has been dead for over a year |
| 09:42.56 | kgod | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvu&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 09:43.02 | kgod | markybob: OK. |
| 09:43.06 | kgod | markybob: Suggested alternate? |
| 09:43.16 | stew | kgod: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvu.html |
| 09:43.22 | markybob | kgod i'm not the guy to ask. i just use gedit |
| 09:43.44 | unclepj | I installed lighttpd and I can't see the docs when browsing locally at http://127.0.0.1/doc/ like the file lighttpd.conf suggests I should be able in accordance with debian policy. Can someone else confirm this bug? |
| 09:43.48 | stew | kgod: likely one of the REMOVED messages in there contains a bug number you could lookup on bugs.debian.or |
| 09:43.51 | stew | g |
| 09:44.34 | stew | unclepj: debian policy would say that the docs would be available in /usr/share/doc/packagename not http://127.0.0.1/doc |
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| 09:44.41 | markybob | kgod as far as wysiwyg goes, you're not gonna have that on linux for html. |
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| 09:44.58 | markybob | kgod if you want a good code html editor, bluefish is pretty good |
| 09:46.48 | crazyfrog | markybob:how to find out which windows manager i am using? |
| 09:47.27 | markybob | crazyfrog gnome? |
| 09:47.35 | rahsputin | media... ( which i havent bult in yet ) |
| 09:47.50 | stew | crazyfrog: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/x-window-manager" return? |
| 09:49.39 | vallhalla81 | !compiz |
| 09:49.39 | dpkg | i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 09:49.47 | ma3x | i mount vfat partition and then i don't have write right on it as a normal user. why? |
| 09:49.58 | kgod | markybob: I usually use vim. Had heard nvu was good in the past, finding it's not available now. |
| 09:50.13 | kgod | !tell ma3x aobut vfatrw |
| 09:50.31 | jim | rahsputin: the clearer you tell your situation and the more complete, the easier it will be for anyone to help you... you don't necessarily need a specific expert |
| 09:50.32 | crazyfrog | stew : thanks |
| 09:50.42 | markybob | kgod vim is also good. i used vim before moving on to gedit |
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| 09:51.12 | unclepj | stew: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html, section 11.5 suggests can be referred to as http://localhost/doc/package/filename |
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| 09:51.27 | stew | crazyfrog: that is not definately the window manager you are using, but it is the most likely candidate. check "ps aux | grep whatever" where "whatever" is the the thing returned. if you have such a process running, then it is the one you are acutally using |
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| 09:51.42 | kgod | ma3x: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 09:51.51 | Enigma | Wich package provides the ip command? |
| 09:52.02 | kgod | !tell Enigma about search |
| 09:52.05 | stew | unclepj: its a should, not a must, however |
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| 09:52.15 | stew | Enigma: iproute ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 09:52.17 | unclepj | actually, my problem is that lighttpd suggests the docs are viewable. But I can't view them in a more or less default install from a web client. So I'm wondering if lighttpd is configured wrong in default debian. |
| 09:52.34 | ma3x | kgod: what should be USERID GROUP and PID? |
| 09:52.41 | Enigma | kgod: I did - but found nothing :( the keyword ip is not good :( |
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| 09:53.29 | slxix | what's the ip command do? |
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| 09:53.35 | kgod | ma3x: eg: mount -t vfat -o noatime,async,uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sde1 /mnt/misc1 |
| 09:53.41 | markybob | i've gotta get soemone interested about getting my vbox vs kvm vs wmw benchmarks. some manaizne ssould be interested that vware came dead last |
| 09:53.50 | stew | slxix: everything /sbin/ifconfig and /sbin/route can do and more |
| 09:53.51 | Enigma | slxix: the same as ifconfig and route |
| 09:53.53 | kgod | ma3x: where 1000 is your userid and groupid. Run 'id' to see your user's UID and GID. |
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| 09:54.26 | kgod | slxix: man ip ;-) |
| 09:54.44 | slxix | man 7 ip? |
| 09:54.47 | jim | you'd have to install it too, to have the man page |
| 09:55.05 | jim | !find ip |
| 09:55.06 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ip' (15 of 433): aespipe ;; apt-zip ;; arno-iptables-firewall ;; avahi-autoipd ;; bip ;; bzip2 ;; bzip2-doc ;; cakephp-scripts ;; cakephp1.2-scripts ;; chiark-scripts ;; cl-paip ;; cl-parenscript ;; cl-pipes ;; classpath-common-unzipped ;; clips. |
| 09:55.06 | kgod | slxix: Probably man 1 ip. |
| 09:55.12 | ma3x | kgod: should i add 2 entries in /etc/fstab? because sometimes my external hd with ext3 on it appears as /dev/sdb1 and sometimes the external hd with vfat appears as /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:55.22 | jim | hmm, that wasn't too fruitful |
| 09:55.29 | stew | slxix: no, we're talking about 'man 8 ip' |
| 09:55.45 | jim | we can try !find bin/ip |
| 09:57.31 | jim | ma3x: maybe you can use uuids, which are serial numbers written on some kinds of partitions which when read back in upon the next time you boot the machine, turns them into referrers to the partition with that serial number |
| 09:58.07 | ma3x | jim: there are serial numbers on partitions? |
| 09:58.10 | jim | it may be that uuids are only used for certain file system types; look into that to see if it's of use to you |
| 09:58.14 | unclepj | stew: "should", ok understood that bit. The conf file itself actually says it obeys the policy (here I assume the lighttpd packager mean in the "must" sense otherwise why bother putting it in in the conf file anyway - surely not to trip innocent people like me up?). SO it looks like a bug to me, but I could just have a messed up box ;-)) |
| 09:58.20 | jim | they're called (as said) uuids |
| 09:58.50 | slxix | ip is part of package iproute |
| 09:58.52 | jim | they might be serially determined, or maybe random, or some sort of hash |
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| 10:04.01 | vallhalla81 | i am getting a error with synaptic the error reads: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 10:04.01 | vallhalla81 | E: Error occurred while processing type-handling (NewVersion1) |
| 10:04.01 | vallhalla81 | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 10:04.01 | vallhalla81 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 10:04.01 | vallhalla81 | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
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| 10:04.36 | vallhalla81 | sorry didnt know about paste |
| 10:04.51 | vallhalla81 | !pastbin |
| 10:04.59 | vallhalla81 | !pastebin |
| 10:04.59 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:05.03 | titii | Hmmm, If I am try to start the mysql it error me : ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO), how is that solving please? |
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| 10:05.57 | slxix | titii: have you asked google? :) |
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| 10:06.23 | titii | slxix I am doing it, but what are you doing here??? :D |
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| 10:07.08 | slxix | titii: nothing. i don't run mysql. :) |
| 10:07.19 | vallhalla81 | ok i have a synaptic error the error msg reads http://paste.lisp.org/display/60501. |
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| 10:08.02 | micols | titii: perhaps wrong password to your sql db? |
| 10:08.20 | slxix | vallhalla81: have you tried running aptitude? :) |
| 10:08.26 | micols | you open with user,pass,dbname |
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| 10:09.35 | titii | micols no pass is ok. and also I am in, but how to set it without accessing? Because this is my server, I am logged as a root, its ok. |
| 10:10.03 | titii | just from the cmd in a linux console with root logged |
| 10:10.04 | micols | root is never ok |
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| 10:10.26 | stew | titii: what is the exact command that is giving you this error? |
| 10:10.39 | titii | micols Ok I would like to solving this one , it is just a question of my firewall |
| 10:10.51 | jim | micols: well you just have to be careful |
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| 10:11.04 | vallhalla81 | slxix: what do i do when i have aptitude running? |
| 10:11.24 | micols | jim: wouldn't count on it, my apache servers get around 20 requests a minute with shell code in $_GET :) |
| 10:12.28 | slxix | vallhalla81: hm. try "apt-get update" instead. :) |
| 10:12.32 | micols | not very hard adding another user, really no excuse for using root |
| 10:12.52 | titii | stew, no its ok, I understand, I have to get in with the accessing as a mysql -u 'root' -p. But I would like to turn off in this situation, Because I am as a root and this is my own server for my works only. Intranet, but I am visible from out ofcourse, but it is ok. I had it so also before |
| 10:12.55 | ootput | how do i determine which device in /dev/input is used by my keyboard? |
| 10:12.59 | ootput | there's no keyboard device |
| 10:13.12 | titii | stew, now its ok... mistake :) |
| 10:13.13 | micols | cat it ootput :) |
| 10:13.17 | jim | micols: I'm also not saying use it haphazardly or unnecessarily... but it's there, use it when you need it |
| 10:13.26 | ootput | micols: which one? |
| 10:13.27 | ootput | all? |
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| 10:13.30 | titii | stew but how to turn it off? |
| 10:13.34 | micols | ootput: your xorg log should show it |
| 10:13.38 | stew | titii: turn what off? |
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| 10:14.03 | titii | stew that accessing with password |
| 10:14.23 | titii | JUST in command line |
| 10:14.25 | stew | titii: you mean you want to make it so that the root password for mysql has no password? |
| 10:14.33 | ootput | micols: whereabouts? |
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| 10:14.43 | titii | stew yea |
| 10:14.48 | ootput | there's mention of 'kbd' |
| 10:15.00 | stew | titii: that's a dangerous idea |
| 10:15.14 | jim | ootput: between the start of the log and the end? |
| 10:15.30 | ootput | jim: is it? |
| 10:15.47 | ootput | puff of smoke |
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| 10:16.04 | jim | you'd have to read the file to see |
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| 10:16.27 | vallhalla81 | apt-get install returns an error too |
| 10:16.33 | ootput | micols: is he correct? |
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| 10:16.42 | slxix | vallhalla81: can you paste that error? |
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| 10:16.53 | titii | stew hmmm, but Why??? Some one should hack my firewall to get access there. |
| 10:16.53 | slxix | you know, in the pastebin :) |
| 10:16.54 | vallhalla81 | apt-get update sorry |
| 10:17.06 | vallhalla81 | !patebin |
| 10:17.15 | vallhalla81 | !pastebin |
| 10:17.15 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:17.21 | stew | titii: or any service you expose publicly |
| 10:17.32 | stew | titii: and you have no other local usrs? |
| 10:17.37 | stew | users* |
| 10:18.10 | AcTiVaTe | titii: Still, you would rather just create an extra MySQL user with access to the database you need and set that user to have no password instead of giving root access without password. |
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| 10:18.27 | AcTiVaTe | titii: root with no password is silly |
| 10:18.28 | vallhalla81 | http://pastebin.ca/1012582 |
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| 10:19.04 | jim | if that machine is on the net, it could be pwnd in seconds (or just blown away) |
| 10:19.58 | titii | stew no, all is mine there are just some users for a web, but ofcourse they should be accessing everytime! I mean before I had that settings also... hmm |
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| 10:20.27 | slxix | vallhalla81: try running "apt-get clean" and then try synaptic again |
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| 10:20.47 | vallhalla81 | slxix: okies 1 sec |
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| 10:21.01 | jim | at the same time as it's a very good idea to get sufficient shell chops that you minimize mistakes (so that being in as root is less risky), it's also a good idea to minimize the need to be root at all... having mysql need root is not the best idea for these reasons |
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| 10:22.58 | titii | AcTiVaTe hmmm you think If I had it before without pass for a root I could login in a phpMyAdmin as a root without pass??? (but the fact was I had there also the .httaccess, i have no access for the web clients there) They have an acesss just in one domain, my website service(electronic cards) wich was configured with aPACHE virtual hosts |
| 10:23.50 | stew | titii: well you'd just clear the Password column of the user table, but this is really a bad idea, if you really are so lazy as to want a user without a password, then create a new one and grant it only access to stuff it really needs access ot |
| 10:23.55 | stew | s/ot/to/ |
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| 10:24.49 | jim | titii: htaccess isn't the greatest security... the thing you're protecting would be more worth hacking through if it's hiding a root login |
| 10:25.04 | AcTiVaTe | Yeah, if your gonna give someone passwordless access you better restrict the paths that can be taken. Why give a user access to MySQL when you can just give him access to just one database? |
| 10:25.41 | jim | to his own database that is |
| 10:26.08 | slxix | vallhalla81: any joy? |
| 10:26.55 | jim | one thing to consider is what else would the box and more specifically the mysql be used for |
| 10:27.13 | slxix | porn. |
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| 10:27.28 | jim | then passwordless for the whole world! |
| 10:27.43 | titii | stew Hmmm, dammed, you are right, I just wanted the settings as before, but what is the problem to typing the pass anytime? And I have an experince with the hack of my mySQL daatbase also :).. this is a defiance :D ok you are right! Thank you for wake me up LOL |
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| 10:29.37 | jim | if you can involve ssh and rsa/dsa keys then you can add some more protection |
| 10:29.42 | vallhalla81 | slxix:it says cand download all repos |
| 10:30.12 | titii | Some time ago somehow turned off my .httaccess password on my site, and I had a nice public access to the phpMyAdmin for all databases without any passwords for each DB :D and one day I found the all deleted databases with one created name Hacked By.... :D |
| 10:30.45 | slxix | read through http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dynamic-mmap-ran-out-of-room-error-when-adding-new-apt-source-list-233417/ and see if any of the posts might be your problem. continue to ask questions if you have them. |
| 10:30.49 | vallhalla81 | http://pastebin.ca/1012593 |
| 10:30.50 | jim | for example, the ssh packets are generally encrypted, so anyone watching the routers along the path to your mysql server won't necessarily even know what the connection is for |
| 10:31.28 | jim | much less be able to watch you access the server, watch the queries and the results of those queries |
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| 10:33.09 | slxix | vallhalla81: perhaps your sources list isn't quite right? |
| 10:34.02 | jim | pastebin the sources.list |
| 10:34.09 | vallhalla81 | slxix: i think you may be right how do i reset to defualt only? |
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| 10:34.12 | ootput | jim: well? |
| 10:34.22 | ootput | what becomes of the condescension? |
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| 10:34.38 | ShredZ | if I forward a port with iptables it shows up on nmap as filtered, but it doesn't actually work. Any ideas ? |
| 10:35.15 | jim | ootput: so you've read the log? |
| 10:35.29 | slxix | vallhalla81: pastebin your source.list like jim asked. he probably knows. :) |
| 10:35.32 | ootput | jim: well? |
| 10:35.38 | jim | ootput: so you've read the log? |
| 10:35.45 | ootput | no shit |
| 10:35.53 | jim | what did you find out? |
| 10:36.20 | ootput | jim: that you haven't done so yourself.. going against your own advice |
| 10:36.38 | jim | ootput: oh, did you pastebin it? |
| 10:36.41 | ootput | i just wanted to clarify why you'd do such a thing |
| 10:36.55 | jim | what, get you to read your log? |
| 10:36.58 | vallhalla81 | is there a way to post a screen shot? |
| 10:37.17 | vallhalla81 | !screenshot |
| 10:37.17 | dpkg | i guess screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd, or push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome, or kde, or or gnome-panel-screenshot |
| 10:37.19 | jim | I'll clarify it in this way: you read your log to try to determine what happened. |
| 10:38.12 | ootput | jim: you chimed in with your unwanted tip to re-read the log file.. hinting that the answer lay within. The only problem was that you've no idea if the answer may(not) lie in the log. |
| 10:38.29 | ootput | jim: and I'm asking you why you'd do such a thing |
| 10:38.35 | markybob | alright, stop. the bashing jim session has ended now |
| 10:38.43 | ootput | markybob: ok |
| 10:40.17 | jim | that's true, I didn't. but neither of us would have known that until someone should read it. Since you are the one with the problem/responsibility, it's you that should read it. what if anything had you learned from looking not only at the log, but at relevent documentation which would clarify any points of uncertainty about what anything in the log means |
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| 10:41.14 | slxix | real men don't read docs, they go straight to the source code. |
| 10:41.27 | ootput | log-deciphering wasn't the issue |
| 10:41.30 | markybob | if jim was a bitch, i'd do her. i mean, uh, he's been around for a long time and has earned his right to have some strange comments and nights :P |
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| 10:41.53 | jim | haha :P |
| 10:42.18 | liable | !u |
| 10:42.18 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:42.31 | liable | are you the same jim? |
| 10:42.37 | jim | that's true, I've been around since both this net and the previous started |
| 10:42.46 | jim | No, I'm not jim kirk. |
| 10:43.11 | markybob | i still havent gotten used to freenode |
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| 10:43.20 | markybob | just seems wrong |
| 10:43.29 | jim | I haven't gotten used to no lilo |
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| 10:43.46 | markybob | i thought he died? literally? |
| 10:43.52 | jim | I mean the guy once lived two blocks from my house |
| 10:43.59 | jim | yes he did |
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| 10:44.08 | markybob | ah |
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| 10:44.46 | liable | that was actually quite strange, i got a bit teary over a guy i never met when i found out.. |
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| 10:45.58 | jim | I think I saw his irc client for the first time in like 1995 or so |
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| 10:47.44 | slxix | vallhalla81: you still there? |
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| 10:51.57 | vallhalla81 | slxix: it seems to be the sarge sorce causing thew problem |
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| 10:52.53 | vallhalla81 | i removed it and am running a update |
| 10:53.07 | slxix | removing isn't always the best answer. but if it works... :) |
| 10:53.23 | vallhalla81 | it seems to be doing the trick |
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| 10:53.59 | vallhalla81 | while i am here can i ask what are the options for eye candy in debian? |
| 10:54.20 | slxix | you asking about certain websites or something? :) |
| 10:54.29 | mosno | lol |
| 10:54.53 | vallhalla81 | hehe no i mean compiz looking glass that sort of thing |
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| 10:57.22 | titii | Hey.... with mysql-dump cmd there is no users and passwords accessing backups for each DB? |
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| 10:57.56 | markybob | titii you bring down the database first |
| 10:57.59 | markybob | then you do it |
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| 10:59.20 | titii | markybob sorry I dont understand, but I am after loading SQL dump backup, and it seems there are no users and passwords |
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| 10:59.59 | markybob | titii great, doesnt soundl ike you have a problem |
| 11:00.36 | jim | were there users and passwords before? |
| 11:00.48 | jim | and what kind of users are we talking about |
| 11:01.01 | markybob | i get the feeling they dont give a fuck |
| 11:01.02 | idimmu | looks like someone didnt dump the mysql database |
| 11:01.31 | jim | hmm could be right |
| 11:01.53 | idimmu | what command/parametes are you using to do the sql dump titii? |
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| 11:02.09 | titii | markybob hmm not so much, I just create one user access hurry for one web, the others I can create repeatly, but how works the users accessings data? |
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| 11:02.54 | markybob | i need to get laid. it's been at least 9-11 monthons :p fuckl |
| 11:02.56 | titii | idimmu just --all-databases |
| 11:03.15 | jim | markybob: uhoh! 9-11! |
| 11:03.42 | markybob | jim yeah. i've been strugglign :( |
| 11:03.43 | idimmu | flies a boeing in to markybob's cock |
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| 11:03.53 | jel | hi all. Anyone know why a mailserver might establish a connection (to receive mail), but not send a banner, and drop the connection immediately after something is sent? After connection setup and sending an SMTP command, I just get a RST,ACK back. |
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| 11:04.18 | slxix | idimmu: in? do you know how big it has to be to fly *in*? :P |
| 11:04.27 | idimmu | heh |
| 11:04.47 | markybob | jim you wanna send me all of your momey for having beeing deployed twice in your owenor? :P |
| 11:04.52 | gkiagia | anybody else has this bug? apt-mirror stops with: closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 528. any ideas? |
| 11:05.28 | jim | I only have one momey! |
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| 11:06.36 | Tapout | is there no package for mysql 5.1 ? |
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| 11:06.53 | markybob | Tapout for the third time, no, there isnt |
| 11:07.13 | jim | Tapout: you can always build your own |
| 11:07.17 | markybob | Tapout you wanna try a froth time? |
| 11:07.18 | slxix | gkiagia: http://howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12328.html ? |
| 11:07.22 | Tapout | markybob, for the 3rd tiem? |
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| 11:07.46 | Tapout | markybob, are you confusing me with someone else? I don't recall asking about 5.1 mysqld ever |
| 11:07.46 | jim | or you could try porting the latest debian packaging for it |
| 11:07.56 | titii | Hey! I just use the same data as I have in the PHP configuration script and it doesnt work!!??? The SQL statement I successfully run like a GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `dbname`.* TO 'user'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password' WITH GRANT OPTION; whats wrong??? |
| 11:07.59 | gkiagia | Tapout: there is in experimental afaik |
| 11:08.15 | Tapout | markybob, and .. for the record I tried packages.debian.org but they've disabled the search for now |
| 11:08.26 | Tapout | gkiagia, k thanks |
| 11:08.47 | jim | titii: you sure you're talking to the same mysql server in both cases? |
| 11:09.07 | jim | what do you mean (exactly) by "doesn't work" |
| 11:09.46 | ftales | is there a command or tool that can check the temperatur of a GeForce 6600? |
| 11:10.09 | jim | the tool is called a thermometer |
| 11:10.22 | slxix | gkiagia: is it a permissions issue like that webpage suggests? |
| 11:10.58 | titii | jim, omg I am sorry, it works, I just called the bad php GET params, hmmm strange :| |
| 11:11.00 | slxix | the infrared thermometers are neat. :P |
| 11:11.00 | jim | other than that, this geforce 6600 would have to support it |
| 11:11.31 | jim | titii: cool... so you're getting closer |
| 11:11.37 | gkiagia | slxix: I am running the whole thing as root, so I don't think so but I'll try |
| 11:11.41 | jim | learning anything along the way? |
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| 11:12.58 | ftales | well |
| 11:13.16 | ftales | the CPU and Fan has sensors, but the GeForce 6600 does not? |
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| 11:13.23 | titii | jim YEA :) I am before finish, but how to delete the USER with GRANT which I created, I should test something :) |
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| 11:13.45 | jim | this is a mysql user? |
| 11:13.54 | jim | I don't know the exact command |
| 11:14.08 | titii | jim the sql query |
| 11:14.11 | ootput | puff of smoke |
| 11:14.22 | cast | ftales: run nvidia-settings to get temps |
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| 11:14.50 | jim | titii: in pg it's drop user, but I have no idea for mysql |
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| 11:16.12 | fireba11 | titii : REVOKE |
| 11:16.23 | abrotman | jim: you just wait til the DB corrupts itself :) |
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| 11:16.31 | ftales | cast: i see nice information there, but nothing about temperature |
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| 11:17.16 | titii | fireba11 I see, but I am testing the statement, hmmm how it is ... :) |
| 11:17.30 | gkiagia | slxix: yes it probably was a permissions problem. apt-mirror is running now and hasn't stopped yet... thanks |
| 11:17.51 | jim | ootput: yeah, there's a puff of smoke every time someone learns something as a result of their own experimentation... also consider that when you appear to get upset at someone who might provide you only a hint or possible avenue of exploration into a problem you might be having and you get upset before you report your results or even mention you've already went the suggested route, I guess people who are regular helpers get that kind of thing all the time if |
| 11:17.51 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.59 | slxix | gkiagia: you're welcome, i guess. :) |
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| 11:18.11 | titii | jim hmmm a little bit else |
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| 11:19.23 | gkiagia | slxix: ah, nope. still stops. :( |
| 11:19.38 | slxix | same problem? |
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| 11:19.55 | peleg | I have edited the files gnome-mime-application-x-php.png and gnome-mime-application-x-php.svg in /home/peleg/.icons/Neu/24x24, /home/peleg/.icons/Neu/48x48 and /home/peleg/.icons/Neu/scalable, and *.php / *.php3 etc files are indeed written as MIME type: application/x-php, but when I browse my HD, I still see the old icons on these files. Should I refresh anything? |
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| 11:20.20 | ootput | jim: diatribe duly noted |
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| 11:21.26 | fireba11 | doesn't debians amd64 kernel contain k8temp module ? |
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| 11:22.08 | jim | look at its config file and see |
| 11:22.09 | gkiagia | slxix: yes. seems like a perl bug according to google :( http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=682504 |
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| 11:22.21 | slxix | i don't think it's a perl bug. |
| 11:23.26 | slxix | check out http://search.cpan.org/dist/perl/pod/perldiag.pod |
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| 11:23.59 | slxix | it might be that a directory is a file? or a directory is missing? |
| 11:24.11 | slxix | ..or a permissions issue? :) |
| 11:25.54 | slxix | i'd investigate the line it stops on for more clues. |
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| 11:27.38 | titii | HAHA, I used the REVOKE also DROP USER, and now I can create that :D whats wrong? |
| 11:27.47 | titii | I cant |
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| 11:28.31 | abrotman | titii: you know that #mysql exists ? |
| 11:29.03 | zephyr | how do i add color to my motd? |
| 11:29.57 | beardy | Use colourful language. |
| 11:30.23 | jim | a motd would be output to a large number of different kinds of terminals |
| 11:30.32 | jim | some of which do color |
| 11:30.40 | zephyr | motd when i login to ssh |
| 11:30.48 | gkiagia | slxix: I don't know much about perl but the code seems ok to me... it opens a directory successfully, processes it and crashes on closedir http://pastebin.com/d24995704 |
| 11:31.03 | titii | abrotman mysql exists? |
| 11:31.11 | abrotman | titii: the channel .. #mysql .. it's there |
| 11:31.18 | jim | one command that does color you might look into to determine how to go about doing color in a terminal-independent way, is ls with the color option |
| 11:31.28 | titii | aha sorry :) my fall |
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| 11:32.45 | aurehman | Hi.. how can i install webmin ssl on debian? |
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| 11:33.22 | jim | find the package name, feed it to apt-get install |
| 11:33.40 | darsie | Hi! Which man page describes the Xorg mouse options? man 4 mouse appearently not. |
| 11:34.10 | jim | what do you mean by mouse options? |
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| 11:34.30 | darsie | jim: I want to enable the scroll wheel. |
| 11:34.31 | slxix | gkiagia: i'm stumped. |
| 11:34.35 | beardy | !aptitudesmite jim |
| 11:34.54 | jim | oh, ok... so you want info on the xorg config file |
| 11:34.55 | abrotman | aurehman: webmin is not in Debian, you'll have to ask them |
| 11:35.13 | jim | wow, they kicked it to the curb? |
| 11:35.21 | abrotman | catch up |
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| 11:35.33 | abrotman | it wasn't even in etch |
| 11:35.46 | beardy | I don't think it was in sarge either. |
| 11:35.48 | darsie | jim: Well, it's not in man xorg.conf. There are only general inputdevice options. |
| 11:36.00 | slxix | gkiagia: my only advice is to read the documentation and start over. but that might not even be good advice. :) |
| 11:36.06 | gkiagia | slxix: I just run perl -W /usr/bin/apt-mirror and there is absolutely no warning or something like that. still crashes on closedir. |
| 11:36.07 | abrotman | darsie: it's likely in the mouse driver man page |
| 11:36.09 | aurehman | abrotman: ok.. thanx a lot |
| 11:36.12 | jim | perhaps you'd use the general option in a more specific way |
| 11:36.29 | gkiagia | slxix: anyway, thanks for the help |
| 11:36.35 | darsie | abrotman: Well, man 4 mouse seems to be the wrong one. |
| 11:36.40 | slxix | well, i guess you could find out which directory it's erroring on? |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | darsie: and i don't have an X box here to find it for you |
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| 11:37.07 | abrotman | darsie: man -k mouse ? |
| 11:37.21 | abrotman | darsie: alternately, ask #xorg |
| 11:37.23 | beardy | Thanks to.. someone, X configuration is made 1000 times harder and more cumbersome because autoconfiguration/autocrappingitup is always in effecft and afaik can not be turned off, to get a real config file. So good luck. |
| 11:37.33 | slxix | gkiagia: add a line of code to print out what DIR is? :) |
| 11:37.33 | jim | you would't specify the protocol in xorg.conf? |
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| 11:37.48 | abrotman | !wheel |
| 11:37.48 | dpkg | [wheel] n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | bah |
| 11:38.02 | gkiagia | slxix: yeah, I was about to ask how do I print a dir in perl.... "print DIR;" ? |
| 11:38.16 | slxix | sounds good to me. |
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| 11:41.51 | darsie | ahh, man mousedrv seems to be it. thx |
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| 11:42.53 | buu | gkiagia: What? |
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| 11:43.44 | enderxim | does anyone know why xinit(startx) was taken out of the xserver-xorg package? |
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| 11:44.57 | jim | were they moved to a different package? |
| 11:45.27 | gkiagia | buu: I am trying to run apt-mirror and it crashes strangely with this: closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 528. |
| 11:45.31 | enderxim | it still installs if you just aptitude install xorg, but not xserver-xorg |
| 11:45.35 | enderxim | i'm not sure why it was moved |
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| 11:46.19 | jim | maybe startx doesn't have anything that would need to know what server is there, xorg, xfree, whatever... so maybe there's a package for these files that would be in common to all x server flavors |
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| 11:48.08 | enderxim | evidently. i did a dist-upgrade yesterday and was having all kind of trouble with my wine, x, lots of stuff (this was testing). got it figured out, was just confused about the changes. |
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| 11:48.55 | juice` | does anyone know anything that could help me detect php shells that users are uploading ? |
| 11:49.00 | o2T7_ | ok, It was "wext" (linux wireless extensions -- generic) |
| 11:49.24 | juice` | clamav is failing on base64 encoded ones |
| 11:49.32 | buu | gkiagia: That's not technically a crash. |
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| 11:50.16 | jim | juice`: one approach is to not allow uploaded scripts to run |
| 11:50.23 | buu | gkiagia: Basically in that code you pasted 'DIR' is a global variable that contains a directory handle. When you recurse it gets overwritten and strange things happen. |
| 11:50.32 | jim | you might need to do that on a per-user basis |
| 11:50.47 | juice` | jim: this is automatic free hosting |
| 11:50.54 | gkiagia | buu: well, it's not a crash, but it stops for some reason |
| 11:50.54 | juice` | jim: not possible on this scale |
| 11:51.49 | abrotman | juice`: then what are you going to do after you detect the upload? |
| 11:51.50 | buu | juice`: So, wait, you're attempting to allow them to run any php code they want, except some subset you define? |
| 11:52.04 | buu | gkiagia: Because the code is dumb. |
| 11:52.24 | jim | oh, yeah, exactly... he wants to only disallow it if it's a shell |
| 11:52.28 | juice` | buu: yes, like 90% of the other free hostings. |
| 11:52.36 | buu | juice`: Good luck. |
| 11:53.07 | jim | can you just fail to allow it for everyone, and find a way to upload the site |
| 11:53.09 | juice` | buu: are you suggesting it's impossible? |
| 11:53.13 | buu | Yes. |
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| 11:53.20 | buu | juice`: The only sane way to solve this is to apply limits outside of the language. |
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| 11:53.31 | buu | I mean, you're close to trying to solve the halting problem. |
| 11:53.39 | buu | Instead jut limit what the code is allowed to do. |
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| 11:53.42 | jim | juice`: you suggested the same thing when you said it's a free automatic hosting service |
| 11:53.47 | juice` | this is possible, php.shell script that is working on my host, is not working on most of the other site i tried |
| 11:53.52 | juice` | so you must be wrong |
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| 11:54.04 | buu | "Good luck" |
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| 11:54.34 | abrotman | not working how? |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | there are a million reasons it might not work |
| 11:54.44 | buu | gkiagia: If you change line 5 in the paste to "opendir( my$dirhandle, $dir) ... " and line 12 to "closedir $dirhandle" it should work. |
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| 11:55.23 | juice` | going back to my question, does anyone know any system/anti-virus/anything that detects php shells for linux? (please, if you don't know the answer , just don't answer) |
| 11:55.33 | slxix | buu: that seems odd. apt-mirror works for other people. ? |
| 11:55.38 | jim | juice`: perhaps you're saying one thing's possible while he was saying something else is not |
| 11:55.48 | buu | slxix: *shrug* |
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| 11:56.01 | jim | (i.e., failed communication; retry) |
| 11:56.08 | juice` | maybe |
| 11:56.26 | SlayerXP | juice`: the correct solution to your problem is to uninstall php |
| 11:56.39 | buu | slxix: It's possible that most people don't hit this particular case. For some reason. |
| 11:56.42 | SlayerXP | "no, you may not use php" |
| 11:56.57 | jim | "let them eat python!" |
| 11:57.14 | buu | Any execution of code poses the same risks. |
| 11:57.19 | buu | Regardless of the language. |
| 11:57.31 | juice` | another one who doesn't know the answers, but tries hard ;) nah one easy solution would be to install clamav and just scan every file that is uploaded |
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| 11:57.45 | buu | juice`: Why on earth would clamav detect that? |
| 11:57.50 | buu | That's the part I don't get. |
| 11:57.58 | jim | clamav detects php shell? |
| 11:58.15 | buu | It certainly doesn't sound like a virus or malware.. |
| 11:58.18 | jelly | jim: given the right database, why wouldn't it? |
| 11:58.29 | juice` | so you don't even what what it is... |
| 11:58.36 | juice` | ask next time ;) |
| 11:58.38 | SlayerXP | jim: it's just pattern matching |
| 11:58.44 | buu | jelly: Because it's not a virus? Because it could involve an infinite number of patterns? |
| 11:58.49 | SlayerXP | if php is the answer, it was a fucking stupid question. |
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| 11:59.00 | juice` | p.txt: PHP.Shell FOUND |
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| 11:59.06 | juice` | this is what clamav shows |
| 11:59.06 | jim | jelly/SlayrXP. good point |
| 11:59.14 | jim | argh, typing is -hard- today |
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| 11:59.41 | buu | juice`: Er, yes, but that's just one particular implementation. Anyone could write their own version trivially. |
| 11:59.47 | gkiagia | buu, slxix: this code seems to be executed when apt-mirror is trying to clean the directory... I think I may have a wrong clean line in the configuration file... |
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| 11:59.59 | juice` | buu: not the script kiddies |
| 12:00.11 | buu | Hey, it's your security dude. |
| 12:00.18 | juice` | buu: besides, there are PATTERNS that detected |
| 12:00.19 | buu | gkiagia: Well, try it with my changes. |
| 12:00.27 | buu | juice`: Yes, PATTERNS like "PHP CODE" |
| 12:00.28 | juice` | buu: according to you, every anti-virus out there is sensless |
| 12:00.42 | juice` | because it's easy to just change one letter in it and it's not detectable ? |
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| 12:00.55 | jim | to assume you only get hacked by kiddies is a form of security by obscurity |
| 12:00.56 | buu | juice`: What part of "THIS CODE IS NOT A VIRUS" and "YOU ARE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO UPLOAD ARBITRARY CODE TO YOU" sounds like "anti-virus is useless" ? |
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| 12:01.36 | buu | Viruses can be detected because they're viruses, that is, they automatically transmit themselves and have to rely on similar code to exploit things. |
| 12:01.38 | jelly | s/YOU/customers running crappy php apps/ |
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| 12:02.32 | SlayerXP | at one place of work, i decided that finding a new place of work was infinately preferable to dealing with random lumps of php crapware. |
| 12:02.39 | juice` | maybe i will ask again, as i suppose you didn't understand me (not saying it's your fault, maybe i described it not corretly). anyways. do you know anything else than clamav that will detect php shells ? |
| 12:02.47 | buu | Perhaps I've missunderstood. From what I've read you're trying to some how validate arbitrary php code that your users are uploading |
| 12:03.06 | buu | You are stuck on this idea that the only threat from arbitrary php code is "php shell" |
| 12:03.11 | juice` | yes. like every other free hosting out there ! |
| 12:03.15 | fireba11 | hi, i'm trying to read my CPU temperature with lm_sensors but got problems. sensors-detect told me to modprobe k8temp and i did, but still it shows no sensors .. i#m on etch amd64. anyone got tips ? |
| 12:03.22 | jelly | juice`: trained monkeys? an unwritten static code analysis tool for php? |
| 12:03.30 | juice` | no, not only php shells |
| 12:03.55 | jim | so, how will you detect -any- threat that's php? |
| 12:04.06 | juice` | ok, let me rephrase again, do you know anything that will detect any suspicious php code, the system that OTHER very well known, millions users sites are using ? |
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| 12:04.13 | buu | No? |
| 12:04.39 | buu | And I'll go out on a limb that "OTHER very well known sites" are not relying on attempting to analyze php code. |
| 12:04.40 | jim | we understand the question as far as you've went |
| 12:04.48 | SlayerXP | juice`: look for a file ending in ".php" |
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| 12:04.50 | jelly | is restraining from making an "all php code is suspicious" comment. Wait. |
| 12:04.53 | SlayerXP | you can safely delete all those. |
| 12:04.55 | jim | and this is an area that's more or less nontrivial |
| 12:05.12 | slxix | just run your customer php code in a sandbox :) |
| 12:05.25 | jelly | sandboxen are expensive |
| 12:05.38 | buu | juice`: Look. PHP is a programming language. You write code in it. You are now asking us for another program that will read this code and attempt to guess what it does. |
| 12:05.40 | jim | and the -sand-... astronomical! |
| 12:05.51 | RichiH | is there a sane way to monitor link status of interfaces? |
| 12:06.00 | RichiH | ip monitor all is kinda verbose |
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| 12:06.16 | juice` | buu: yes, something like clamav does :| |
| 12:06.20 | susanne-- | i'm perodically getting a kernel panic on some kind of file access issue on my qmail queue. the system appears to automatically reboot and i can't find where any errors might be logged. fs is ext3. two questions: where do i check for logs? how can i figure out what's causing this. the machine is remote and i don't have console; i'm only notified there's a problem when the services it provides disappear. |
| 12:06.29 | buu | juice`: No, see, clamav just looks for certain static patterns. |
| 12:06.32 | jim | clamav doesn't do that |
| 12:06.36 | juice` | buu: that's enough for me |
| 12:06.41 | buu | juice`: The fact that you can't see a difference in those statements is horrifying. |
| 12:06.46 | juice` | better for start to have this than nothing. |
| 12:06.48 | liable | RichiH: to do what? |
| 12:06.53 | jim | clamav looks for a file with specific content |
| 12:06.54 | abrotman | RichiH: heartbeat maybe ? |
| 12:07.10 | buu | juice`: Why don't you just do this the right way? |
| 12:07.12 | abrotman | juice`: maybe you should ask ##php ? |
| 12:07.13 | liable | or ifplugd? |
| 12:07.23 | juice` | abrotman: i think so too, thanks. |
| 12:07.28 | jim | that is not the same as trying to find out any possilbe thing that's suspicioul |
| 12:07.30 | RichiH | liable: i want to know when a cable is plugged in/out and/or the other side goes down/up |
| 12:07.39 | jelly | RichiH: mii-toll manual says it can do it. Never tested |
| 12:07.40 | slxix | susanne--: i would assume the computer has dying hardware. |
| 12:07.44 | RichiH | abrotman: i assume there is something in /proc i can read out |
| 12:07.45 | jelly | mii-tool* |
| 12:07.59 | juice` | buu: i don't know the right way, and it seems neither do you |
| 12:08.26 | susanne-- | slxix: and i might diagnose this how? it's always on /dev/sda1, not on any of the other partitions on /dev/sda. |
| 12:08.31 | abrotman | RichiH: i'd imagine .. but /proc/ is full of tons of "useless" crap you have wade through .. it also might be in /sys/ |
| 12:08.47 | slxix | susanne--: remotely? i'm not sure. |
| 12:08.51 | buu | juice`: Are you interested in the right way or just trying to pick a fight? |
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| 12:09.26 | abrotman | susanne--: you can use a remote system logger to capture some of that stuff .. also consider failing hardware |
| 12:09.32 | juice` | buu: i want to know the right way. but i got answers like 'delete your php' and i just think you don't know how to do it |
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| 12:09.50 | jelly | RichiH: possibly something under /sys/class/net/devicename/ |
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| 12:10.47 | gkiagia | buu, slxix: yes, it doesn't choke on closedir now, but it still stops. It says it's finished but it has still about 15 GB to download :S |
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| 12:11.39 | jelly | RichiH: /sys/class/net/eth0/{carrier,operstate} change when I (un)plug the cable |
| 12:11.53 | cast | ftales: you don't see "Thermal Monitor" listed under GPU-0..? |
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| 12:12.36 | gkiagia | buu, slxix: http://pastebin.com/d2740a45b |
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| 12:13.29 | buu | gkiagia: Oh, wait, did you make that change? |
| 12:13.40 | buu | gkiagia: Because I forgot a line =/ |
| 12:13.43 | gkiagia | buu: yes, I applied your changes |
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| 12:14.06 | buu | gkiagia: On line 6, where you see 'readdir(DIR)' change it to 'readdir($mydir)' |
| 12:14.07 | susanne-- | how can i pull the smart status off a hard drive? |
| 12:14.21 | buu | I mean |
| 12:14.25 | buu | 'readdir($dirhandle)' |
| 12:14.29 | buu | Whatever I said to name the damn thing. |
| 12:14.29 | ootput | i found (through dmesg) that the kbd was associated with /class/input/input1.. but how does this translate to a device node? |
| 12:14.38 | gkiagia | buu: yes I changed that... :) |
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| 12:14.53 | buu | gkiagia: Oh. |
| 12:15.04 | buu | gkiagia: No idea then! |
| 12:15.32 | abrotman | susanne--: smartctl |
| 12:15.47 | cast | any idea how to turn off a laptops lcd display? i dont have x installed so xrandr isn't there |
| 12:15.51 | slxix | gkiagia: purge and start from scratch? |
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| 12:17.03 | unixSnob | Any Europeans around? |
| 12:17.11 | slxix | cast: shut the laptop or disconnect the cable from the motherboard? |
| 12:17.11 | unixSnob | wonders if IT contractors in Europe get per diem |
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| 12:17.51 | cast | slxix: was the second part a serious suggestion o_0 |
| 12:17.53 | abrotman | unixSnob: #defocus perhaps ? |
| 12:18.08 | slxix | cast: if you never plan on using the lcd, then yes. :) |
| 12:18.15 | gkiagia | slxix: each time I run it it downloads about 200 MB and then stops. maybe I'll just write an infinite loop that will run apt-mirror forever (and stop it later manually) :P |
| 12:18.23 | cast | hmm |
| 12:18.27 | unixSnob | joins defocus to see what that is |
| 12:18.37 | cast | shutting kicks it into a suspend mode |
| 12:18.56 | susanne-- | god i hate living here. the dsl connection STINKS. |
| 12:18.57 | abrotman | unixSnob: it's a general chat/social channel |
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| 12:19.10 | unixSnob | thanks |
| 12:19.19 | cast | susanne--: frequent disconnects? |
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| 12:20.04 | enouf | ootput: why do you need a /dev/ node? writing an app? interfacing? |
| 12:20.21 | ootput | enouf: close. psx emulator :) |
| 12:20.22 | slxix | cast: what model laptop? |
| 12:20.29 | cast | eee, 701 |
| 12:20.30 | susanne-- | cast just dog slow. 1.5mb, compared to my usual 6mb. i trade live recordings of my fav band by bittorrent on a seedbox, and the shows come in to the seedbox faster than i can download them to the house now. (what i get for letting my wife file for divorce) |
| 12:20.35 | enouf | psx is? |
| 12:20.40 | ootput | enouf: configuration for controls includes a field for /dev/ node |
| 12:20.41 | jelly | ootput: /dev/input/ ? |
| 12:20.45 | ootput | enouf: playstation |
| 12:21.04 | ootput | jelly: but the content isn't intuitive |
| 12:21.12 | ootput | jelly: no obvious kbd or similar |
| 12:21.19 | cast | susanne--: often different modem brands will deal to differing ability with bad line conditions |
| 12:22.20 | unixSnob | figures.. I go to defocus, and it's all tech talk there too |
| 12:22.26 | jelly | ootput: I have no idea about a proper api for enumerating those and finding out their capabilities, sorry |
| 12:22.36 | enouf | ootput: all i can tell ya is do udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/input/input5 |
| 12:22.46 | enouf | for some overall info |
| 12:23.03 | enouf | you'd think Sony would be smarter than that, heh |
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| 12:24.15 | ootput | enouf: that might just do the trick |
| 12:24.17 | enouf | linux.sysfs_path = '/sys/devices/pnp0/00:02' (string) |
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| 12:24.36 | enouf | ootput: more info in lshal |
| 12:24.37 | slxix | cast: |
| 12:24.40 | fireba11 | i'm not getting CPU temp sensor on etch amd64 to work .. could that even work ? does the debian kernel include the module already ? how can i find out ? |
| 12:24.44 | cast | hes awesome isn't he |
| 12:24.55 | enouf | ootput: more info in lshal | less <-- then search for 'kbd' |
| 12:24.58 | slxix | xset dpms force off |
| 12:25.05 | cast | fireba11: i have a different approach, if it doesn't crash who cares :) |
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| 12:25.44 | slxix | wait. you said no x. |
| 12:25.57 | enouf | ootput: lshal | grep device_file |
| 12:26.00 | fireba11 | cast : not really an option for monitoring a server room ^^ |
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| 12:26.13 | enouf | ootput: that's all i got ;-) |
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| 12:27.25 | enouf | fireba11: lmsensors ? |
| 12:27.37 | o2T7_ | enouf: Hi, do you remember my sata rewriter problem? |
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| 12:28.06 | enouf | o2T7_: oh ... you tried to ping me some while back |
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| 12:28.17 | enouf | but you had left by the time i returned |
| 12:28.23 | cast | fireba11: being not an IT person, i don't understand the usefulness. if the fan dies the temp is going to go up pretty fast, you'd notice and do a clean shutdown i imagine. alternative is to not do anything and then the box undergoes a non-clean shutdown. so is that the general idea, to make it a clean shutdown? |
| 12:28.40 | o2T7_ | Yes :) I had to go. At last it was a sata communications error, not a problem with the rewriter. Something nasty with my sata configuration |
| 12:28.40 | slxix | cast: explore /etc/acpi for a usefull program? |
| 12:28.57 | enouf | hrm, refresh a bit please o2T7_ (about your - i think i recall - they''re mostly all the same :-) ) |
| 12:29.03 | cast | i might just install X, i ultimately was going to install X anyway :\ |
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| 12:29.16 | jetscreamer | how would you notice |
| 12:29.33 | enouf | o2T7_: hrm, so how did you find out what it was and what did you do to remedy it? |
| 12:29.36 | jetscreamer | fireba11: install lmsensors and run sensors-detect |
| 12:29.36 | o2T7_ | my drive was burning unreadable disks, or even not burning them at all |
| 12:29.58 | enouf | right ... ahh |
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| 12:30.16 | o2T7_ | I found a log entry somewhere talking about something like "sata port is slow on responding" |
| 12:30.26 | ootput | enouf: thanks |
| 12:30.31 | enouf | ok, and? |
| 12:30.37 | enouf | ootput: np ;-) |
| 12:30.47 | o2T7_ | So, that probably was the input/output error on the buffer |
| 12:31.01 | o2T7_ | I got tired and bought an ide one |
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| 12:31.07 | jetscreamer | oh... you'd notice when the cpu started smoking... |
| 12:31.07 | enouf | hahahahahaha |
| 12:31.13 | o2T7_ | :D |
| 12:31.16 | enouf | i knew it :-P |
| 12:31.30 | enouf | oh well - win win ;-) |
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| 12:31.56 | o2T7_ | I then remembered some sata dma problems with a sata hard disk |
| 12:32.19 | o2T7_ | Perhaps is a bus problem, my motherboard always gave me trouble |
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| 12:33.46 | enouf | o2T7_: sometimes .. nay, many times ,,, i just WISH it was like that with ALL hardware on linux .. where people have a clear choice - a) known working proven device -or- b) experimental proprietary piece of fucken crap .. and we can then mock the b0z0s that opt for 'b' :-) |
| 12:34.21 | o2T7_ | heh |
| 12:34.29 | enouf | a) also == all open source drivers, etc |
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| 12:34.52 | susanne-- | ok so i've run smarctl on the drive that keeps causing a kernel panic. could somebody please be so kind as to tell me wtf it all means? http://www.pastebin.ca/1012661 |
| 12:34.54 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: did that. told me i need to load a few modules, did a modprobe on each with no response and still isn't working |
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| 12:34.57 | enouf | yeah. there's tons of buggy shit out there |
| 12:35.07 | slxix | vbetool dpms off will turn off your lcd :P |
| 12:35.23 | o2T7_ | enouf: And even trademarks supposed to be "good" |
| 12:35.27 | liable | open source can still be crap for drivers |
| 12:35.33 | o2T7_ | enouf: Well, see you, have to go again |
| 12:35.37 | enouf | !lart liable |
| 12:35.37 | dpkg | nabs the moon and broadsides liable with the sea of tranquility |
| 12:35.40 | liable | notably wifi |
| 12:35.51 | enouf | you're ruining my party! :-P |
| 12:35.53 | slxix | liable: and some video :) |
| 12:35.55 | enouf | biingo |
| 12:35.59 | liable | whther reverse enginered ot not |
| 12:35.59 | enouf | all crap liable |
| 12:36.15 | liable | enouf: some are ok |
| 12:36.18 | enouf | too much restrictions - FCC sucks ass |
| 12:36.32 | enouf | liable: which ones? |
| 12:36.39 | jetscreamer | fireba11: check if they are actually loaded with lsmod|grep some_module_name |
| 12:36.39 | ziro01 | hello |
| 12:36.40 | liable | no, layers that work for vendors suck ass |
| 12:36.45 | liable | lawers* |
| 12:36.54 | enouf | ambulance chasers |
| 12:37.29 | enouf | liable: so ... which ones? make a list - post it, promote it |
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| 12:37.45 | jetscreamer | 'no response' 'usually' means they are loaded ... if they fail to load you usually get an error |
| 12:38.01 | enouf | then try telling that to the wintendo weenie that just bought a sony laptop |
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| 12:38.20 | liable | enouf: no point in making a list seeing as there is a lot of work going on in wireless atm. |
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| 12:38.41 | enouf | liable: the list is to separate out closed vs open |
| 12:38.52 | enouf | are you catching my drift yet? |
| 12:39.04 | enouf | wireless sucks ass for that reason |
| 12:39.26 | liable | enouf: i have 3 atheros chips and an intel chip, the atheros all work well with madwifi, the ones supported by ath5k also work well, my intel works ok, except its sensitivity seems to blow chunks. |
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| 12:39.57 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: yes, they are loaded .. except k8temp, that one is not anywhere .. ^^ |
| 12:40.00 | liable | so they both are open :P |
| 12:40.08 | enouf | so, now tell the wintendo weenie with his new Acer craptop to replcae their card |
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| 12:40.15 | jetscreamer | fireba11: that's about as far as i can go... :( |
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| 12:40.54 | enouf | those are the easy ones - wait till you wander into sony or lenovo land .. lmao |
| 12:41.20 | liable | enouf: lenovo use intel afaik |
| 12:41.43 | liable | if anyone uses broadcom, thats too bad, but theres a lot of work on that driver too |
| 12:41.48 | enouf | see, IMHO craptops provide yet another layer with which almost all Manu abd vendors hide behind |
| 12:42.08 | enouf | since normal people can't readily go buy parts and assemble at will |
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| 12:42.24 | jetscreamer | that confirms it...i'm abnormal |
| 12:42.27 | enouf | so, not only does wifi suck - craptops suck |
| 12:42.31 | susanne-- | ok so i've run smarctl on the drive that keeps causing a kernel panic. could somebody please be so kind as to tell me wtf it all means? http://www.pastebin.ca/1012661 |
| 12:42.41 | liable | jetscreamer: we have known this for a while.. |
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| 12:43.50 | jetscreamer | UNC at LBA |
| 12:43.55 | enouf | liable: i guess you've never heard of shit like this? http://www.paul.sladen.org/thinkpad-r31/wifi-card-pci-ids.html |
| 12:44.24 | liable | enouf: yes, i have had to do the same for a umts card |
| 12:44.36 | gkiagia | buu: consider submiting those changes to the official apt-mirror. it's actually working now. the stop problem is not actually a problem, it is the expected behaviour according to the code. it's just that wget doesn't download all the files requested for some strange reason. I'll check later why. thanks for the help |
| 12:44.43 | liable | enouf: whats the point you are making? |
| 12:44.47 | enouf | you like hoops? great - start jumping - i call it crap |
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| 12:44.54 | jetscreamer | wonders, if it matters even, if the bios set to use lba and the drive formatted non-lba ? |
| 12:45.05 | liable | enouf: and what does it have to do with wifi? thats a bios limitation |
| 12:45.17 | enouf | it sucks ass! is my point and that's why you MAKE A LIST and promote it |
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| 12:45.32 | enouf | omg |
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| 12:45.56 | liable | enouf: as i said before, thats a result of lawyers |
| 12:46.01 | denis | On lenny, since today when i made an upgrade, i have nothing more that appears. In Gdm, if i tapes my username and password, it's white. In Gnome, I don't see anything on my menu (but i can navigate and start applications but there is no menus in it.) ... |
| 12:46.03 | enouf | bios limitation? ok, change your BIOS now -- more hoops = start jumping |
| 12:46.11 | denis | Any idea on a way to solve this ? |
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| 12:47.25 | liable | enouf: ibm and hp are the only companies that do it, and its supposedly a result of fcc regs. though its really a load of shit.. |
| 12:48.18 | jetscreamer | denis: what vidcard/driver are you using |
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| 12:49.37 | enouf | [08:41:22] <enouf> see, IMHO craptops provide yet another layer with which almost all Manu abd vendors hide behind |
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| 12:50.10 | liable | enouf: so pci wifi cards dont have this problem? |
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| 12:50.16 | jetscreamer | denis: glxinfo |
| 12:50.41 | enouf | [08:42:01] <enouf> so, not only does wifi suck - craptops suck |
| 12:50.47 | jetscreamer | denis: glxinfo|grep -i vendor |
| 12:50.55 | enouf | you're not too quick today amigo ;-) |
| 12:50.55 | liable | enouf: no, your fcc sucks |
| 12:51.11 | enouf | liable: then why does it affect Australians?> |
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| 12:51.19 | liable | enouf: and as a result, lawyers scare manufacturers into doing what they do.. |
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| 12:51.26 | enouf | it's a global fucken market man |
| 12:51.40 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/1012360 |
| 12:51.48 | denis | jetscreamer, thanks, I just see that my xorg file was almost empty |
| 12:51.55 | enouf | [08:35:51] <enouf> too much restrictions - FCC sucks ass |
| 12:51.55 | liable | enouf: because, unfortunately, almost everyone uses previous approvals in there country as a baseline.. |
| 12:52.09 | denis | since the update ... |
| 12:52.10 | liable | enouf: so, the fcc is the baseline |
| 12:52.17 | enouf | you're consistently making my point ;-) |
| 12:52.28 | liable | no i am not |
| 12:52.34 | enouf | ... |
| 12:52.35 | jetscreamer | denis: 'should' be a backup in /etc/X11 somewhere |
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| 12:52.50 | liable | the only point is your fcc sucks, and lawyers pander to it, and thus we have shit wifi.. |
| 12:52.58 | hikenboot | anyone able to help with the pasted error? |
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| 12:53.31 | enouf | lawyers get paid by whomever pays them - lawyers are not involved in "wifi" only, lmao |
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| 12:54.09 | liable | enouf: lawyers are paid by manufacturers to make sure they dont get sued by the fcc. |
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| 12:54.27 | enouf | and craptops allow for OEM products (shit, crap, garbage, closed shit) to be pushed onto the sheeple, much more easily |
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| 12:55.08 | enouf | got it yet? |
| 12:55.09 | liable | enouf: so you have source code for your microprocessor? or your bios? |
| 12:55.41 | yang | enouf: with wpa_supplicant, are you able to set that you only stay connected on one router, if routers are bridged, that it doesn't connect to the other router |
| 12:55.47 | enouf | liable: other areas of crap .. and? |
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| 12:56.06 | yang | enouf: somehow by setting the MAC address of the router? |
| 12:56.33 | enouf | liable: how come almost every friggin IDE drive in existance "just works"[tm]? |
| 12:56.34 | liable | enouf: your whole argument that we must have free code is flawed by the fact that the most basic parts of your system dont have free code. |
| 12:57.08 | enouf | liable: nope - and i just proved/showed it |
| 12:57.10 | liable | enouf: are you drinking already? |
| 12:57.20 | enouf | liable: you missed your morning meds? |
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| 12:57.41 | liable | enouf: no, its pm here and i am having a nice cold beer. |
| 12:57.57 | enouf | ahh... must be my meds then :-P |
| 12:57.58 | cast | thinks we must have free code |
| 12:58.23 | cast | it is important. we have some small areas where we don't, it is being worked on :) |
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| 12:58.36 | denis | jetscreamer, yes, but a restart with the backup changes nothing |
| 12:58.38 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: got it working now .. now for the munin plugin to graph temperatures and voltages :-) |
| 12:58.49 | enouf | finally, some common sense .. sheesh |
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| 12:58.57 | liable | lets take enouf's example of hard drives. is there not closed source firmware in it? |
| 12:59.06 | micols | how do i disable all QoS rules for a specific outgoing ip ? |
| 12:59.06 | denis | glxinfo give Error: unable to open display |
| 12:59.10 | abrotman | some of the controllers might have it |
| 12:59.13 | micols | all tc(1) rules |
| 12:59.15 | liable | denis: not as root |
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| 12:59.47 | abrotman | liable: maybe like FC controllers etc |
| 13:00.01 | enouf | liable: who cares - the interface is all open - as well as the ATA Command set - however - SATA is a "secret society" and y'all drank the Koolaid .. so |
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| 13:00.26 | liable | abrotman: point is, theres a fuckload of shit we dont have source for, why people get there nickers in a twist for wifi i don't understand |
| 13:00.55 | denis | liable, as user it's the same |
| 13:01.06 | enouf | liable: because 'wifi' most usually equates to 'craptop' .. and --> 3rd time now!! 08:49:11] <enouf> [08:41:22] <enouf> see, IMHO craptops provide yet another layer with which almost all Manu abd vendors hide behind |
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| 13:01.25 | yang | enouf: got an idea? |
| 13:01.36 | enouf | yang: sorry, i don't |
| 13:01.51 | yang | enouf: you were the one using wpa_supplicant or not? |
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| 13:02.02 | enouf | yang: no, i wasn't |
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| 13:02.03 | cast | since i could imagine a subtly backdoored network card driver, i want it open sourced :> |
| 13:02.04 | liable | enouf: right, you dont like laptops.. |
| 13:02.14 | enouf | liable: and you don't like lawyers ;-) |
| 13:02.14 | yang | enouf: sorry, i wonder who was it then |
| 13:02.46 | enouf | laptops + lawyers == match made in redmond CCCP land |
| 13:02.48 | cast | besides, if its open it can go into the kernel tree [probably] and then wireless becomes less of a fuckaround. |
| 13:02.57 | liable | enouf: but your argument is flawed, as you can have the same argument about pci cards in dekstops.. |
| 13:03.36 | enouf | liable: PCI cards are very easily interchangeable compared to swapping components in a craptop |
| 13:03.44 | enouf | you are so dense sometimes .. |
| 13:03.55 | liable | i can change my wifi card if i like |
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| 13:03.57 | enouf | the ones that are open should be promoted |
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| 13:04.26 | cast | so whats the state right now, you use some binary driver stolen from windows or vendor supplied? |
| 13:04.45 | hikenboot | http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=1664 <---it seems like a remake of an old bug |
| 13:04.46 | liable | i really dont understand your point. yes laptops are sorta closed by design, other than that, its the same thing |
| 13:04.49 | cast | i presume they're not available for all the different archs and ports debian has? thats a problem |
| 13:05.04 | enouf | promotes a </cease and desist> for now |
| 13:05.24 | liable | wins |
| 13:05.42 | enouf | !spank liable for declaring himself a b0z0 |
| 13:05.43 | dpkg | bends liable for declaring himself a b0z0 over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 13:05.44 | cast | promotes logical falacies |
| 13:05.52 | cast | and bad spelling, thats important |
| 13:05.53 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:05.56 | vjoe | hey |
| 13:05.57 | themill | hopes the truce will last and that some peace and quiet on #d at least until Sunday |
| 13:06.09 | liable | unlikely |
| 13:06.33 | enouf | themill: keep dreamin :-p |
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| 13:07.25 | liable | its hilarious that people rant about having to load firmware for a wifi card, but think that the firmware in there harddrive is somehow different.. |
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| 13:07.51 | hikenboot | The makeinfo comes in tetex-bin, part of the tetex suite. <--think i may have found a solution--thanks |
| 13:07.59 | davidc007 | sysinternals filemon is to windows as ______ is to linux |
| 13:08.00 | enouf | how many people are flashing their IDE drives today? lmao |
| 13:08.03 | cast | isn't that lots different. i mean i just installe debian on my laptop, i'm not using the wifi because of the extra fuckaround involved |
| 13:08.14 | enouf | davidc007: strace maybe |
| 13:08.18 | davidc007 | tx |
| 13:08.20 | ootput | but it's fuckaround --one-shot |
| 13:08.24 | enouf | davidc007: oh, maybe famd, inotify |
| 13:08.35 | liable | cast: the eee installer automatically installs it.. |
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| 13:08.51 | davidc007 | u kno, #debian is teh roXXOr |
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| 13:09.08 | liable | cast: you can install over wifi with it .. |
| 13:09.08 | enouf | davidc007: filemon ... i forget what that one really does .. there are so many variants for windows' shit |
| 13:09.25 | enouf | i mean, i know, the name is a giveaway.but |
| 13:09.46 | ootput | davidc007: retract that else the resident geeks will beat you to a pulp |
| 13:09.55 | enouf | davidc007: also know about 'watch' |
| 13:10.02 | liable | cast: disclaimer, i added that functionality to it ;) |
| 13:10.03 | davidc007 | ah, let me clarity. I want to see the size and frequency of files being written on my servers, so i can optimize filesystem and stripe size |
| 13:10.10 | davidc007 | clarify* |
| 13:10.24 | cast | liable: are you allowed non-free in debian installers? :o |
| 13:10.30 | davidc007 | i've seen watch with iostat |
| 13:10.31 | enouf | hrm, iostat? iotop, netperf, .. monit? |
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| 13:10.48 | liable | cast: its not a debian installer, its a eee debian installer. |
| 13:11.00 | liable | cast: its our fork of the installer |
| 13:11.08 | cast | liable: is the plan that they'll become one in the same one day? |
| 13:11.08 | enouf | cacti? ... what's that other one ... |
| 13:11.22 | davidc007 | enouf: if you have to deal with windows, you'll just want to use sysinternals to have close to the visibility you get on a linux box's innards |
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| 13:11.27 | enouf | netperf is likely not applicable |
| 13:11.34 | micols | how do i disable all QoS rules for a specific outgoing ip ? |
| 13:11.40 | liable | cast: ath5k isnt far off (hopefully) working |
| 13:11.50 | enouf | davidc007: i've used it, before they sold out to mpoop ;-) |
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| 13:11.58 | enouf | davidc007: it was long ago though :-) |
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| 13:12.11 | davidc007 | but now it has a nice msi installer! |
| 13:12.16 | enouf | ... |
| 13:12.16 | davidc007 | for all of them |
| 13:12.24 | davidc007 | :) cooler icon? |
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| 13:13.19 | cast | liable: didn't know i had the wifi drivers installed, second last time i used the eee installer the eth0 had no driver ^_^ |
| 13:13.56 | liable | cast: that would have been some time back. its had a lot of work since |
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| 13:14.15 | davidc007 | is there a way to have a log that shows: file x 64239 bytes written to /dev/sda99 on 9:23:00 5/9/08, file y 1234 bytes written, etc. |
| 13:14.23 | enouf | liable: you have to admit, most installer issues have to do with one of 2 things a) etch and support for newer hardware - but mostly it's SATA controller support .. and b) the INABILITY to install if you only have a WIFI conn, and no cat5e one or similar |
| 13:14.25 | cast | liable: ahh i see wifi0 in dmesg now |
| 13:14.28 | liable | cast: i have a wpa capable installer, am hoping to merge in d-i |
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| 13:14.47 | unclepj | lighttpd package on etch: conf default file suggests it should show /usr/share/doc directory for localhost users browsing at http://127.0.0.1/doc/. It doesn't. Can anyone else confirm this please? |
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| 13:14.56 | enouf | and b) is CRAPTOPS! .. see a connection? hrm? |
| 13:15.06 | bonsaikitten | g'day |
| 13:15.13 | enouf | oi |
| 13:15.18 | bonsaikitten | I wonder if anyone could give me a pointer with debootstrap |
| 13:15.26 | liable | enouf: d-i supports wifi, only in kernel drivers. with mac80211 in main, this will hopefully be more common |
| 13:16.07 | liable | enouf: i am thinking how to get an option for asking for firmware during install if a known card is detected that needs firmware |
| 13:16.09 | bonsaikitten | I'm trying to setup a vserver, and debootstrap seems confused about my host - it tries to get packages from main/binary-GenuineIntel/Packages which doesn't seem to exist |
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| 13:16.29 | enouf | liable: you are starting to see my point it seems |
| 13:16.30 | ziro01 | Hello |
| 13:17.01 | liable | enouf: nope |
| 13:17.51 | enouf | liable: what about those IDE Drive controllers and their firmware? |
| 13:17.53 | ziro01 | you tell me ;) |
| 13:18.47 | Silicium | hi there |
| 13:18.47 | bonsaikitten | sends out some debootstrap happy photons |
| 13:18.52 | davidc007 | enouf: reading about all these commands, thx |
| 13:18.54 | Silicium | in witch package is the utils.pm perl module? |
| 13:19.13 | enouf | davidc007: sure - hope it helps, ioh, install manpages-dev pkg |
| 13:19.34 | liable | enouf: what about em? just because its on chip makes it no different. the thing is that becuase firmware doesnt have source, it can never be in debian. with drive firmware you have it installed already. doesnt make it any less unfree.. |
| 13:19.47 | streuner | Silicium: /msg pdkg search |
| 13:19.55 | enouf | liable: why does it just work[tm]? |
| 13:20.21 | streuner | Silicium: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:20.25 | liable | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 13:20.51 | enouf | you're saying they're one and the same - i'm saying they're almost completely unrelated |
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| 13:21.14 | enouf | so .. why does one just work[tm] and one does not! |
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| 13:21.35 | liable | enouf: what do you mean by work? thats what i am askng. |
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| 13:21.40 | enouf | ... |
| 13:21.42 | liable | my wifi works |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | me too! |
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| 13:27.54 | unclepj | submits a bug for lighttpd debian package |
| 13:28.12 | bonsaikitten | *plop*s |
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| 13:28.46 | liable | wins again |
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| 13:30.31 | zephyr | how would i add color onto my motd? |
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| 13:33.02 | ttl- | n3kl: hi! |
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| 13:34.41 | fireba11 | is it common for sensors to report obviously wrong values ? (-12V shows +1.04V) |
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| 13:35.01 | zephyr | how would i add color onto my motd? |
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| 13:36.06 | valdyn | fireba11: yes |
| 13:36.07 | abrotman | zephyr: stop repeating |
| 13:37.05 | fireba11 | valdyn: lemme guess .. nothing i can do about it ? |
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| 13:38.48 | Joelio | hey guys, I'm using the grsecurity kernel patches.. is it worthwhile adding Smash Stack Protection and rebuilding all the system packages? |
| 13:38.55 | zephyr | ok abor |
| 13:39.28 | valdyn | fireba11: sensors cant guess the actual C a given read value means |
| 13:39.46 | valdyn | fireba11: im sure it could be configured someplace |
| 13:40.15 | fireba11 | valdyn: i'm talking about the voltages here |
| 13:40.22 | valdyn | fireba11: same difference |
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| 13:41.14 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: can i ask for a feature while you're here? :) |
| 13:41.19 | fireba11 | valdyn : so it doesn't read voltages as "-12.0054" für -12V but some different value that it would have to re-calculate to get the actual V value ? |
| 13:41.21 | valdyn | fireba11: your read voltage could just be the deviation from -12V |
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| 13:41.26 | valdyn | fireba11: sensors cant guess |
| 13:41.27 | Dj_Offset | abrotman: ? |
| 13:41.32 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: your hostmask |
| 13:41.38 | fireba11 | valdyn : ah.. any idea how i can find out ? |
| 13:41.38 | Dj_Offset | abrotman: eh, sure |
| 13:41.40 | valdyn | fireba11: point is that we both nor sensors know it |
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| 13:41.55 | valdyn | fireba11: guess |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: can we get rate limits in the Downloads? :) |
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| 13:42.08 | valdyn | fireba11: disassemble windows sensors driver for that mainboard |
| 13:42.14 | micols | how do i disable QoS bandwidth throttling for my NFS server? |
| 13:42.23 | valdyn | fireba11: or read vendor docs if they exist |
| 13:42.30 | micols | i installed wondershaper, and it throttles the nfs server |
| 13:42.31 | Dj_Offset | abrotman: why not? I'll report a bug for it, we have that for torrents at least |
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| 13:42.49 | valdyn | fireba11: im not an expert with this, im sure there's people who know better than me how to find information sufficient to calculate the right values |
| 13:42.51 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: yay! .. i meant for http downloads .. i always look to see if it's been added, but never find it |
| 13:42.58 | abrotman | http/ftp downloads |
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| 13:43.05 | Dj_Offset | abrotman: yeah, I got that |
| 13:43.19 | bijur | stupid question: how do i install font .ttf files into linux? |
| 13:43.31 | valdyn | bijur: copy them to ~/.fonts/ |
| 13:44.18 | cast | is there a way to get a list of installed packages and installed size? |
| 13:44.28 | valdyn | bijur: long answer: linux does not know about fonts, X does not know about fonts either, modern X toolkits will find it in ~/.fonts/ |
| 13:44.30 | fireba11 | valdyn: okies, thanks anyway :-) |
| 13:45.10 | bijur | valdyn: great! thanks man :) |
| 13:45.11 | davidc007 | http://inotify-tools.sourceforge.net/#info |
| 13:45.35 | bijur | valdyn: do i have to restart X after i copy it into .fonts? |
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| 13:45.46 | valdyn | bijur: X doesnt know about fonts. |
| 13:45.58 | valdyn | bijur: -> restarting X has nothing to do with it |
| 13:46.05 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: thank you .. sorry to bother |
| 13:46.14 | valdyn | bijur: at most you have to restart the app you want to use those fonts |
| 13:46.14 | bijur | valdyn: so for practical purposes, i just copy it to .fonts and it should appear in apps? |
| 13:46.23 | bijur | thanks man :) |
| 13:46.27 | valdyn | bijur: right |
| 13:46.29 | stew | cast: grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Installed-Size -n installed |
| 13:46.34 | Dj_Offset | abrotman: n/p, bug filed... I cannot guarantee anything |
| 13:47.48 | cast | stew: awesine |
| 13:48.10 | liable | !sort by size |
| 13:48.10 | dpkg | somebody said sort by size was perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 13:48.15 | liable | eww |
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| 13:48.40 | liable | i wrote a factoid for this, but fail at remembering its name |
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| 13:49.09 | valdyn | theres a neat gui for this too |
| 13:49.22 | beardy | !sort by package size |
| 13:49.23 | dpkg | to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " n" | sort -n' |
| 13:49.24 | liable | !sort by package size |
| 13:49.29 | liable | bah |
| 13:49.31 | beardy | liable: Only 8 to choose from. |
| 13:49.44 | liable | beardy: thats the one |
| 13:49.56 | beardy | liable: (listauth liable) |
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| 13:50.26 | liable | beardy: i wont remeber that either :) |
| 13:50.32 | beardy | liable: Hehe |
| 13:51.24 | davidc007 | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=61&subtype=63&model_cd=248&tab=fea&ppmi=1155 |
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| 13:51.38 | Dj_Offset | I think something is borked in sid. It seems certain server processes becomes zombies forever. lighttpd and synergy just die silently here, still running according to ps, but not accepting sockets or signals. |
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| 13:55.06 | abrotman | that's part of being a zombie |
| 13:55.29 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: did they possibly get caught in the perl/python transitition crossfire? |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | or even gcc |
| 13:56.04 | Dj_Offset | I have no idea what you are talking about :-) |
| 13:56.12 | abrotman | !dda |
| 13:56.12 | dpkg | debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | Dj_Offset: there are a few major transitions giong on right now .. |
| 13:56.40 | abrotman | !bts |
| 13:56.40 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 13:56.49 | abrotman | might say something about those bugs you're experiencing |
| 13:56.59 | abrotman | I've not seen any one else complain of things like that |
| 13:57.04 | abrotman | regarding those two packages |
| 13:57.09 | Dj_Offset | right, I'll check |
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| 13:58.22 | davis | hello |
| 13:58.31 | Joelio | How do I recompile all the packages listed in dpkg -l with an extra compiler flag (-fstack-protector) |
| 13:59.08 | davis | I am doing a apt-get dist-upgrade and I get an error I have never seen before. E: internal error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring How do I fix it? |
| 13:59.32 | azeem | davis: dist-upgrade from what to what? |
| 14:01.01 | atoz_chevara | Joomla! Day Indonesia 2008 "instal Joomla from debian package for Debian based" sunday at 06 AM |
| 14:01.28 | atoz_chevara | on irc.freenode.net channell #deb-id |
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| 14:06.52 | micols | how do i specify destination ip to which packets/speed shouldn't be throttled by QoS ? |
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| 14:07.00 | tokayla | anyone know how i can assign a uuid to a disk without wiping its contents? |
| 14:07.06 | tokayla | which i assume pvcreate does |
| 14:07.41 | Rockj | how do I easily make another user (not root) use an application that listens on port 80? |
| 14:07.58 | cast | find what offset the uuid is stored on and dd it? :) |
| 14:08.23 | abrotman | atoz_chevara: don't spam here |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | Rockj: can't |
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| 14:09.13 | Rockj | abrotman, so make application listen on higher port and then use iptables forward of some kind? |
| 14:09.21 | abrotman | probably |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | not something i've attempted |
| 14:09.39 | zephyr | how would i add color onto my motd? |
| 14:09.46 | zephyr | i asked ages ago but no1 helped |
| 14:09.50 | abrotman | !tell zephyr about repeat |
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| 14:11.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | Has anyone noticed that the xfce image indicating no read perms looks a LOT like Goatse? |
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| 14:12.03 | liable | hehe |
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| 14:12.12 | radio-head | MASSIVE MAN |
| 14:12.15 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: are you Dave2 in disguise? |
| 14:12.30 | radio-head | this is fucking crazy |
| 14:12.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | themill: I am not |
| 14:12.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | Are you? |
| 14:12.40 | radio-head | how the fuck do you mantain this shit |
| 14:12.43 | liable | did Dave2 have a goatse fteish? |
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| 14:12.48 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 14:12.57 | abrotman | liable: obsession |
| 14:13.07 | liable | nasty |
| 14:13.11 | themill | liable: and it's not past tense either |
| 14:13.19 | liable | hah |
| 14:13.38 | liable | who id dave2? |
| 14:13.42 | liable | is* |
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| 14:14.30 | liable | i must have him ignored, or i am missing the joke.. |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | liable: he's in one of the offtopic channels |
| 14:15.18 | liable | oh |
| 14:15.19 | Rockj | abrotman, # iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 |
| 14:15.29 | Rockj | should do the trick, but you need nat support in iptables. |
| 14:15.34 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
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| 14:16.07 | Rockj | I know that one works, just need to recompile my kernel. but incase you was wondering if its possible to have services under ports 1024 to be redirected to some service you are running on a higher port :) |
| 14:16.20 | bijur | abrotman: is that a way of saying 'i do not know?' |
| 14:16.36 | msshams | Hi, i install apache2 now. but i get this error: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:16.38 | msshams | pelase help me |
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| 14:16.48 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 14:16.48 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 14:17.03 | bijur | msshams: u do not need httpd.conf for apache2 |
| 14:17.13 | bijur | apache2 uses apache.conf instead |
| 14:17.26 | msshams | bijur: i get this error: apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 14:17.39 | abrotman | bijur: it's a way of saying that he should ask people that know more about the subject than me |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | !tell bijur about u |
| 14:17.44 | bijur | unless u have specified that there should be support for old httpd support inside the apache.conf |
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| 14:18.02 | bijur | abrotman: i am sorry. |
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| 14:18.16 | valdyn | bijur: youre wrong |
| 14:18.20 | msshams | bijur: now, how can i solve this problem? |
| 14:18.20 | abrotman | bijur: and in etch, the apache2.conf references the httpd.conf .. so he does need it |
| 14:18.30 | themill | bijur: the default apache2.conf includes this line: Include /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | msshams: touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 14:18.48 | twobitwork | hmm... neither firefox nor iceweasel are in backports? |
| 14:18.48 | Songtao | looks twobitwork |
| 14:18.49 | bijur | abrotman: lol, will keep that in mind :) |
| 14:18.54 | abrotman | LOLOL FUNNY |
| 14:19.27 | msshams | abrotman: thank you, but it doesn't need to httpd.conf in apache2? |
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| 14:19.45 | abrotman | msshams: it's referenced by the apache2.conf .. so either remove the reference or create the empty file |
| 14:20.00 | bijur | httpd.conf is needed because if u check apache.conf there is an option which enables its use |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | !tell bijur about u |
| 14:20.08 | twobitwork | nm... for some reason I thought firefox 3.0 beta was in sid... |
| 14:20.09 | Songtao | looks twobitwork |
| 14:20.17 | abrotman | twobitwork: it was in experimental |
| 14:20.18 | msshams | abrotman: thank you my friend |
| 14:20.26 | twobitwork | looks Songtao |
| 14:20.27 | bijur | this is for backward compatibility and for people who have been using apache 1.1 |
| 14:20.57 | Songtao | twobitwork, sorry, i opened a script |
| 14:20.58 | twobitwork | abrotman: was? they took it out? |
| 14:21.12 | abrotman | twobitwork: no idea .. i don't use FF/IW so i wouldn't really be looking for it |
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| 14:21.18 | bijur | abrotman: first time its funny , second time, i can stand it, third time i'd have to show u the finger |
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| 14:21.39 | abrotman | idiot |
| 14:21.46 | abrotman | twobitwork: http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
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| 14:22.02 | abrotman | twobitwork: they finally got it building on something other than amd64 |
| 14:23.00 | twobitwork | abrotman: it just shows 2.0 |
| 14:23.00 | bijur | msshams: look your apache.conf for a line with httpd.conf and comment it out or disable the httpd support. that should settle it |
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| 14:23.00 | abrotman | twobitwork: no .. scroll down |
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| 14:23.00 | abrotman | bijur: STOP |
| 14:23.13 | valdyn | in debian its still "apache2.conf" |
| 14:23.33 | abrotman | and the guy already had his solution |
| 14:23.43 | bijur | abrotman: check this # Include all the user configurations: |
| 14:23.43 | bijur | Include /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 14:23.43 | bijur | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.47 | hark | you shouldn't really be modifying apache2.conf |
| 14:23.49 | themill | bijur: Please write in English in this channel. That also includes not using too much slang or abbreviations. You may be able to understand such text, but remember that a lot of people will struggle with such language. Also, please make sure you are actually correct before offering advice. That's 0 out of 2 you're currently running on by my counting so far. |
| 14:23.50 | bijur | this is what u need to comment |
| 14:23.56 | themill | !tell bijur about u |
| 14:24.09 | abrotman | bijur: the guy already got his answer .. just be quiet |
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| 14:24.14 | valdyn | bijur: in debian we generally do only change debian provided files if we must do that |
| 14:24.18 | twobitwork | ohhhhh..... what is 'experimental'? is that different from sid? |
| 14:24.23 | valdyn | bijur: having your own file is _alot_ better |
| 14:24.25 | abrotman | twobitwork: very much so |
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| 14:24.48 | bijur | shuts up |
| 14:24.51 | twobitwork | wow... can't believe I've never heard of it... |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | twobitwork: because you're really not supposed to use it for day to day stuff |
| 14:25.08 | themill | twobitwork: there is an expectation that stuff works when it goes into sid. There is no such expectation for experimental. |
| 14:25.12 | valdyn | twobitwork: experimental exists, but it has nothign official about it |
| 14:25.13 | themill | !tell twobitwork about experimental |
| 14:25.24 | valdyn | twobitwork: its just random packages in various states |
| 14:25.30 | twobitwork | themill: heh... I had just /msg'd dpkg about it :) |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | twobitwork: i heard that experimental was responsible for the death of three worms in canada once! |
| 14:25.36 | themill | twobitwork: :) |
| 14:26.00 | twobitwork | I see |
| 14:26.03 | bijur | lol |
| 14:26.36 | themill | !tell bijur about lol |
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| 14:28.21 | bijur | sigh |
| 14:28.44 | bijur | resigns myself to fate and pledges to speak in english |
| 14:28.48 | twobitwork | !tell bijur about sigh |
| 14:28.50 | twobitwork | :P |
| 14:28.58 | bijur | c/myself/himself/ |
| 14:29.08 | twobitwork | s/c/s/ |
| 14:29.13 | bijur | :P |
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| 14:29.31 | bijur | sorry! working in oracle plsql for a long time now |
| 14:29.37 | bijur | my s's have all changed to c's |
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| 14:29.56 | twobitwork | ew |
| 14:29.56 | bijur | the sql's c-sickness |
| 14:30.19 | bijur | twobitwork: thanks for making me feel a lot better about my job :)) |
| 14:30.26 | twobitwork | heh |
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| 14:30.44 | korhojoa | hey guys. anyone care to help me get a debian system to boot over the network? :) |
| 14:30.45 | bijur | i usually get "yuck" and lepper-look etc. |
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| 14:31.09 | twobitwork | korhojoa: what problems are you having? |
| 14:31.16 | davis | azeem: I am using unstable. I just always do a dist-upgrade. I thoght you do that even when you are not moving from one level to another. ie. stable to unstable. |
| 14:31.35 | azeem | davis: ok |
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| 14:31.39 | korhojoa | problems so far, debootstrapping, how do i get it to work? |
| 14:31.45 | azeem | davis: you're checked the BTS, right? |
| 14:31.50 | davis | azeem: I did an upgrade though and it seems to work now. |
| 14:31.52 | davis | thanks |
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| 14:32.05 | chops | korhojoa: There are docs on the internet about how to do it; if you're having specific problems following those docs, people here will probably be willing to help you if you describe what you're doing and what it's doing that seems to be incorrect |
| 14:32.07 | azeem | korhojoa: what version of Debian are you trying to debootstrap? |
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| 14:32.17 | twobitwork | korhojoa: are you pxe booting the install CD? |
| 14:32.26 | korhojoa | this should be 3.1 rc2 |
| 14:32.37 | azeem | korhojoa: why 3.1? |
| 14:32.42 | azeem | it's no longer supported |
| 14:32.43 | korhojoa | no, i'm just trying to get a system to boot over nfs |
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| 14:32.48 | bijur | hey folks i ll be right back, and then u can make more fun of me :)) |
| 14:32.50 | korhojoa | oh. well. i dunno, just haven't upgraded |
| 14:32.52 | korhojoa | i liked 3.1 |
| 14:32.59 | azeem | korhojoa: why do you debootstrap 3.1? |
| 14:33.14 | korhojoa | nevermind, let's go for the newest one then. i was just using what i had |
| 14:33.31 | azeem | korhojoa: are you trying with 3.1's debootstrap? |
| 14:33.41 | twobitwork | korhojoa: have you googled for installing debian over the network? |
| 14:33.44 | korhojoa | er, yes. but screw it, i'll go for etch then |
| 14:33.53 | korhojoa | yes, i have, i don't want to install it over the network |
| 14:33.58 | korhojoa | i want to boot it over the network |
| 14:34.10 | korhojoa | you know all that with nfs |
| 14:34.21 | twobitwork | well... the process is very similar |
| 14:35.01 | twobitwork | you have a dhcp server running which gives a tftp address... it downloads pxelinux.0 ... etc |
| 14:35.27 | korhojoa | i have those already |
| 14:35.31 | korhojoa | and i've booted the installer just fine |
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| 14:35.51 | twobitwork | only instead of pointing it to an nfs'd install ISO, point it to an NFS'd debian install |
| 14:35.55 | korhojoa | i'd just like to be able to get it to work somehow, i gave up trying to get the ubuntu livecd to boot over the network |
| 14:36.04 | korhojoa | yup, i know |
| 14:36.14 | korhojoa | it's just, i'd have to get a debian install nfs'd first, right? |
| 14:36.27 | korhojoa | and if i'm not incorrect, you'd need some kind of debootstrap to create the base system |
| 14:36.52 | twobitwork | yes... ok, well, at least now we know where you are and what your problem is :) |
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| 14:37.43 | twobitwork | so... what problems are you having with debootstrap? |
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| 14:38.26 | korhojoa | ah screw it, i'm going to look like an idiot anyway |
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| 14:38.32 | korhojoa | i'm having trouble finding the package |
| 14:38.47 | dbmoodb | oh funky anyone know where i can check the status of a package ? |
| 14:39.04 | korhojoa | and i really don't want to update the server i'm booting from, as it's kind of a system i don't want to touch, it works just fine right now |
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| 14:39.18 | dbmoodb | korhojoa: update from what to what ? |
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| 14:39.46 | aZ5353 | guys, im trying run a cron job with 'cd .. && cd .. && ./download.sh' but receive the error '/bin/sh: ./download.sh: No such file or directory, where am I going wrong? im doing this through a control panel UI so I cant even test my code without waiting on a email (and my virtual pc is fecked) |
| 14:39.46 | helo | do SAS drives usually work as well as SATA \with debian? |
| 14:39.46 | korhojoa | well it's currently running 3.1 rc2 |
| 14:39.55 | korhojoa | so why go to 4.0r3 if it works just fine? |
| 14:40.01 | twobitwork | korhojoa: you can't find the debootstrap package? |
| 14:40.13 | korhojoa | na, nevermind. i fail, but i'm wondering now |
| 14:40.20 | korhojoa | to use cdebootstrap or debootstrap? |
| 14:40.31 | liable | for what? |
| 14:40.34 | chops | korhojoa: You'll find out why to go to 4.0r3 once you get hacked because you don't have any security support :-/ |
| 14:40.34 | twobitwork | cdebootstrap is debootstrap implemented in C instead of perl |
| 14:40.36 | korhojoa | the cdebootstrap says bootstrap a debian system, wereas debootstrap says bootstrap a basic debian system |
| 14:41.02 | twobitwork | korhojoa: they have the same functionality, its just the the c one is faster |
| 14:41.05 | korhojoa | ah. so it doesn't really matter which one i use then |
| 14:41.06 | korhojoa | okay |
| 14:41.09 | twobitwork | right |
| 14:41.15 | korhojoa | but the perl one is editable on the fly easily |
| 14:41.21 | korhojoa | whereas the c one is a binary, right? |
| 14:41.25 | twobitwork | and then man [c]deboostrap should set you on your way |
| 14:41.39 | twobitwork | korhojoa: well, sure, I guess... do you plan on editing it? |
| 14:41.48 | liable | korhojoa: of course |
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| 14:41.52 | korhojoa | well shit. |
| 14:42.02 | korhojoa | to upgrade the thing, it wants me to down 360 mb of archives. |
| 14:42.13 | korhojoa | mostly x-stuff which isn't even used a lot |
| 14:42.38 | twobitwork | to upgrade debian, or debootstrap? |
| 14:42.39 | korhojoa | actually, it's basically all x-stuff. except openssl and apache-related things. |
| 14:42.41 | korhojoa | debian |
| 14:42.43 | dbmoodb | korhojoa: 360mb after how many years |
| 14:42.47 | korhojoa | er |
| 14:42.50 | korhojoa | two maybe :P |
| 14:42.55 | dbmoodb | i think that is good |
| 14:42.59 | dbmoodb | ;) |
| 14:43.09 | korhojoa | compared to some *cough* other os's, yes. |
| 14:43.20 | dbmoodb | other os's ? |
| 14:43.28 | dbmoodb | try some other distros |
| 14:43.28 | chops | korhojoa: To upgrade sarge->etch, you mean? That process is more complex than 'apt-get dist-upgrade'... /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:43.44 | twobitwork | dbmoodb: yes, unfortunately there are people who would choose to use an OS other than debian... |
| 14:43.47 | dbmoodb | /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:43.59 | cast | twobitwork: damn emacs users |
| 14:43.59 | dbmoodb | debian isn't an os |
| 14:44.04 | dbmoodb | !debian |
| 14:44.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:44.10 | twobitwork | cast: heheh, indeed |
| 14:44.14 | cast | dbmoodb: surely it is |
| 14:44.27 | korhojoa | ah jaysus |
| 14:44.27 | dbmoodb | it is a system mainly using gnu software |
| 14:44.33 | twobitwork | dbmoodb: um... I think you are confused |
| 14:44.33 | korhojoa | the support _just_ ended? |
| 14:44.42 | cast | front page of debian.org, first line, 'Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. ' |
| 14:44.50 | twobitwork | dbmoodb: debian is an OS based on GNU and usually running on the linux kernel |
| 14:44.59 | dbmoodb | no twobitwork it depends on how you define the os |
| 14:45.05 | twobitwork | ohh, give me a break |
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| 14:45.20 | liable | !lose dbmoodb |
| 14:45.20 | dpkg | dbmoodb: You Lose. |
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| 14:45.25 | dbmoodb | !dance |
| 14:45.25 | dpkg | gets jiggy wit it |
| 14:45.35 | dbmoodb | !os |
| 14:45.35 | dpkg | somebody said operating system was just that, a SYSTEM that lets you OPERATE with your machine. It's NOT a kernel. Linux is a kernel. GNU and GNU/Linux are Operating Systems.. OPENSTEP |
| 14:45.40 | chops | dbmoodb: (Groaning inwardly at prolonging this conversation) How exactly do you define "OS" such that Debian isn't one? |
| 14:45.54 | twobitwork | chops: shhhh |
| 14:46.03 | chops | twobitwork: I'm honestly curious. |
| 14:46.03 | korhojoa | wat |
| 14:46.06 | korhojoa | apparently |
| 14:46.07 | dbmoodb | --- it is over i think my definitions are restrictive |
| 14:46.08 | korhojoa | i'm already using etch |
| 14:46.09 | korhojoa | ?!? |
| 14:46.13 | liable | dbmoodb: if debian/linux isnt an os, what is it? |
| 14:46.18 | korhojoa | i didn't remember updating this thing |
| 14:46.21 | dbmoodb | debian linux/gnu is |
| 14:46.29 | twobitwork | korhojoa: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:46.48 | dbmoodb | it is a system using gnu software and the linux kernel without either the software or the kernel you would have a ___ |
| 14:47.03 | korhojoa | hm |
| 14:47.03 | liable | dbmoodb: your point is? |
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| 14:47.06 | korhojoa | 4.0 apparently |
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| 14:47.15 | cahoot | lignux? |
| 14:47.28 | chops | korhojoa: If /etc/debian_version says 4.0 but you have 360MB of updates, you're probably _partially_ updated to etch |
| 14:47.39 | korhojoa | okay |
| 14:47.50 | korhojoa | well, going to go get the rest of the packages then |
| 14:47.51 | dbmoodb | meh -- i'm wanting to know if anyone has tested selinux recently / runs it on lenny or etch. |
| 14:48.15 | chops | dbmoodb: Someone does, yes. /msg dpkg popcon |
| 14:48.47 | dbmoodb | /msg dpkg popcon |
| 14:48.52 | dbmoodb | .... why doesn't /msg work |
| 14:48.59 | dbmoodb | /query dpkg popcon |
| 14:49.04 | dbmoodb | oh sorry ... |
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| 14:49.47 | dbmoodb | apparently it doesn't know about popcon-- it should know about it tho that is weird |
| 14:50.39 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 14:50.46 | fireba11 | dbmoodb : why of course it does |
| 14:50.59 | dbmoodb | oh now it works.... |
| 14:51.08 | dbmoodb | (00:49:25) dbmoodb: popcon |
| 14:51.08 | dbmoodb | (00:49:26) dpkg: I don't know, could you explain it?, dbmoodb |
| 14:51.14 | dbmoodb | -- sorry for the spam |
| 14:51.17 | abrotman | dbmoodb: stop .. we really don't care |
| 14:51.35 | chops | !popcon |
| 14:51.35 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 14:54.06 | korhojoa | hmm. augh. |
| 14:54.26 | korhojoa | i wish i had infinite amounts of time and money |
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| 14:55.20 | abrotman | I'd think if you had infinite time, the money would come at some point |
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| 14:55.36 | vsd | does rsync watch for updates in any of the 2 remote hosts? |
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| 14:56.39 | cast | it does not |
| 14:57.01 | vsd | cast, then it watches just one? |
| 14:57.26 | cast | i didn't think it watches at all, least in my use of it |
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| 14:58.14 | abrotman | you could use another tool to watch and kick it off if that's what you're concerned about |
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| 14:58.26 | loganaden | greetings |
| 14:58.31 | vsd | i want to do a master to master mysql config |
| 14:58.34 | loganaden | I've just recompiled apache2 |
| 14:58.37 | cast | something using inotify maybe :) |
| 14:58.40 | vsd | so they need to sync the db files |
| 14:58.48 | abrotman | dnotify ? |
| 14:58.50 | loganaden | and modified doc-root of suexec to point to /home |
| 14:59.09 | cast | was looking at ocfs2 a few minutes ago, that seemed cool |
| 14:59.10 | loganaden | but when I dpkg -i apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 14:59.23 | loganaden | and do /usr/lib/suexec -V |
| 14:59.31 | loganaden | doc-root is still set to /var/www |
| 14:59.45 | abrotman | modified it where? |
| 14:59.48 | loganaden | I did a apt-get remove apache2 before installation |
| 14:59.55 | loganaden | abrotman, debian/rules |
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| 15:00.05 | loganaden | abrotman, wrong file ? |
| 15:00.08 | abrotman | did you check to see where it's set in the config file? |
| 15:00.28 | loganaden | abrotman, in rules ? |
| 15:00.35 | abrotman | doesn't suexec use the the docroot specified in the apache config files? |
| 15:00.50 | loganaden | abrotman, --with-suexec-docroot=/home \ |
| 15:01.00 | loganaden | abrotman, where ?! |
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| 15:01.33 | loganaden | abrotman, which apache config file ? |
| 15:01.34 | xuser | is there a debian way for adding ftp only accounts? |
| 15:01.52 | SlayerXP | xuser: yes, add an account, set the shell to /bin/false |
| 15:02.31 | abrotman | loganaden: in my apache2 .. it's set in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 15:02.31 | loganaden | abrotman, I'm kind of lost here |
| 15:02.38 | xuser | SlayerXP: ah easy, thanks. |
| 15:02.47 | abrotman | loganaden: but i don't use suexec |
| 15:03.16 | loganaden | abrotman, yeah but I use it |
| 15:03.29 | loganaden | abrotman, and I recompiled the package just to modify this |
| 15:03.41 | loganaden | abrotman, and it doesn't set the path correctly |
| 15:03.52 | loganaden | abrotman, where could I have gone wrong ? |
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| 15:05.41 | loganaden | I'm really kind of lost here |
| 15:05.49 | twobitwork | loganaden: this might be better asked in #apache or something |
| 15:05.58 | loganaden | twobitwork, ok |
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| 15:10.24 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 15:10.41 | d34df00d | I'm trying to do apt-get source package, where package's architectures list contains i386 only. |
| 15:10.45 | loganaden | twobitwork, #apache guys told to head back to #debian :-( |
| 15:10.49 | d34df00d | How could I force it to compile successfully on amd64? |
| 15:11.28 | msshams | have any apache 2 module for DOS protecting? |
| 15:12.04 | chops | d34df00d: You can't "force" it to compile successfully on amd64... probably if there's not a binary for amd64 in Debian, there's a reason. |
| 15:12.19 | chops | d34df00d: If you elaborate on what the package is and what happens when you try to compile it on amd64, we may be able to help you a bit |
| 15:12.50 | d34df00d | chops: there is no binary because pacakage's author doesn't have amd64. It's libtorrent-rasterbar from ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/btg/debian |
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| 15:13.19 | d34df00d | chops: here's the log: http://rafb.net/p/EB1g1G49.html |
| 15:13.40 | d34df00d | chops: sorry for the last line, it's in Russian, and it complains that amd64 is not in arch list for this package/ |
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| 15:14.03 | jelly | d34df00d: so change the arch list. |
| 15:14.25 | d34df00d | jelly: how could I do it? If I just append amd64 in the .dsc file, apt-get source redownloads original one. |
| 15:14.44 | jelly | d34df00d: debian/control? |
| 15:14.46 | chops | d34df00d: Oh, so it's not a Debian package, but a third-party package. In that case, you should change "Architecture: i386" to "Architecture: any" in debian/control, I believe. |
| 15:15.25 | chops | d34df00d: Also, you can prepend LANG=C to a command line to get English-language error messages; that's often helpful when preparing output to give to a pastebin |
| 15:15.49 | d34df00d | chops: thanks, I've realised too late, and compiling this takes quite long on my computer. |
| 15:16.06 | chops | d34df00d: You can do LANG=C dpkg-buildpackage -nc |
| 15:16.31 | chops | d34df00d: To avoid the "clean" step and print error messages in English; that should go quickly for most packages. |
| 15:17.57 | d34df00d | chops: oh, thanks. And where should I run that dpkg-buildpackage command relatively to directory where I run apt-get source? |
| 15:18.14 | chops | d34df00d: It's apt-get source blah, cd blah-1.2.3, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:18.36 | chops | d34df00d: Or in your case, apt-get source blah, cd blah-1.2.3, vi debian/control, dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 15:20.36 | d34df00d | chops: it works now. Thanks a lot, I've got too new shiny debs for the library now :) |
| 15:20.44 | chops | d34df00d: np |
| 15:21.06 | msshams | my apache 1.3 server is very very vulnerable from DOS attacks. can i solve this problem with upgrade apache to 2.2? |
| 15:21.38 | chops | d34df00d: You might also want to let the provider of that package know that it will be easier for people to build the package if he changes the architecture to "any" in the source package. |
| 15:21.41 | Dj_Offset | there is no magic cure for DOS |
| 15:21.51 | petemc | itym DDOS |
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| 15:22.04 | Dj_Offset | even worse, yes |
| 15:22.08 | micols | msshams: configure a firewall/qos to filter dos |
| 15:22.12 | petemc | DOS can be brought on by exploiting bugs in the software |
| 15:22.13 | hifi | is there a list of all package maintainers, I forgot this guys name/nick who was discussing with me some time ago about a new quake2 package |
| 15:22.13 | d34df00d | chops: I've already talked to him yesterday, maybe he hadn't updated the repos yet. Anyway, I think it's a good idea to send .debs I've built to him. |
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| 15:22.17 | kibibyte | hi |
| 15:22.24 | cast | starts photorec |
| 15:22.27 | kibibyte | how to install jdk indebian? |
| 15:22.34 | micols | apache2 wont help you much, but you can set max instances in it and also hide its version |
| 15:22.36 | cast | just rememberd i mkfsed on a drive i had stuff on |
| 15:23.02 | chops | kibibyte: aptitude install sun-java6-jdk |
| 15:23.09 | chops | kibibyte: apt-cache search jdk |
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| 15:24.12 | kibibyte | there is only jdk 5 listed |
| 15:24.14 | kibibyte | i want 6 |
| 15:25.50 | kibibyte | whats the difrence between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 15:26.27 | chops | !tell kibibyte why aptitude |
| 15:26.51 | Dj_Offset | !tell Dj_Offset why aptitude |
| 15:27.07 | trifler | Is there anyway to see what kind of gfc you have in your computor not beeing able to open it and see? |
| 15:27.10 | chops | kibibyte: If you're running etch, you'll have to install sdk 6 it from backports. |
| 15:27.12 | trifler | gfx* |
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| 15:27.20 | chops | !tell Dj_Offset about selftell |
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| 15:27.33 | chops | Er |
| 15:27.40 | chops | !tell kibibyte about why aptitude |
| 15:27.50 | chops | !tell Dj_Offset about why aptitude |
| 15:28.06 | kibibyte | chops, why backports? |
| 15:28.08 | kibibyte | what isbackport |
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| 15:28.16 | chops | !tell kibibyte about backports |
| 15:28.45 | chops | kibibyte: Backports because java 6 was not in Debian at the time etch was released |
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| 15:29.58 | kibibyte | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 15:30.12 | stew | kibibyte: read the instructiohns page on http://backports.org |
| 15:30.32 | crazyfrog | how to use aptitude to find weather a package is installed or not? |
| 15:31.07 | kibibyte | what a crazy frog |
| 15:31.16 | cast | crazyfrog: grep State |
| 15:31.17 | stew | crazyfrog: 'aptitude show packagename' and look at the 'State:' line |
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| 15:32.48 | tweaked | hi, can you use ntp in debian or how do i update my systems time to be current |
| 15:32.59 | cast | i just run ntpdate |
| 15:33.10 | chops | tweaked: You can use ntp in Debian. Install it and it keeps your time up to date. Or just run ntpdate. |
| 15:33.59 | tweaked | it says no servers can be used, exiting |
| 15:34.30 | cast | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 15:34.48 | chops | tweaked: I thought that it came with working servers configured, but you can put "server pool.ntp.org" in /etc/ntp.conf if it's not working for some reason. |
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| 15:34.59 | tweaked | thank you |
| 15:35.01 | tweaked | that worked |
| 15:35.19 | cast | i got annoyed at ntpd as it needed a udp port open |
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| 15:35.45 | cast | [though someone tells me this isn't the case, i'm not sure, the documentation certainly said it back then :(] |
| 15:36.03 | enouf | liable: still alive? Perfect example from another channel --> " Lucky. The BIOS in this Thinkpad I just bought checks the vendor ID on everything you can plug into the motherboard (RAM, wlan, ethernet, Bluetooth) and refuses to load anything that doesn't list IBM as the vendor. Result: $15 512 pc133 becomes $70 to get the "IBM" version." |
| 15:36.22 | kibibyte | aptitude -t etch-backports search jdk |
| 15:36.32 | kibibyte | p sun-java5-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 |
| 15:36.32 | kibibyte | p sun-java6-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6 |
| 15:36.46 | kibibyte | aptitude search jdk |
| 15:36.49 | kibibyte | same result |
| 15:36.51 | kibibyte | why? |
| 15:37.20 | chops | kibibyte: Why not? |
| 15:37.27 | chops | kibibyte: What's surprising about that? |
| 15:37.37 | chops | kibibyte: Also, it's better to use a pastebin for large pastes |
| 15:37.45 | stew | chops: the suprising bit is that sun-java5-jdk is not on etch-backports |
| 15:37.56 | kibibyte | yeah |
| 15:38.17 | mot | here's a question |
| 15:38.23 | kibibyte | now i can install something from backports without knowlegde |
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| 15:38.44 | mot | i do IT for a department and i bought norton endpoint protection and i want to be able to install the console management bit |
| 15:39.00 | mot | well i want to install debian, and then install winxp in a vmware host on top of that, and then setup the management console within xp |
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| 15:39.27 | mot | if it possible to "bridge" the hosts together, so that if some norton client starts talking to that box, the management console within the xp vmware host on top of the debian system will know to answer? |
| 15:40.03 | cast | vnware, xp, norton, we don't care. |
| 15:40.26 | CompWizrd | mot: yes |
| 15:40.46 | CompWizrd | when you configure the networking in vmware, it'll ask you how you want it setup |
| 15:40.59 | kibibyte | you can communicate from host to guest system via tcp |
| 15:41.22 | mot | so i can setup a debian box with that xp vmware image and basically have all of the services/functions of a windows application running on top of the debian host and all will be well? |
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| 15:41.46 | mot | cast: if you don't care, then don't bother answering. |
| 15:41.47 | CompWizrd | the really easy way would be to give the XP machine it's own ip on the network |
| 15:41.52 | chops | stew: I guess that is a bit surprising... according to 'man aptitude', that's actually the expected behavior ("for [search], this [-t] will affect the _default_ candidate version of packages" (emphasis mine)) |
| 15:42.00 | mot | CompWizrd, well the box is gonna have a static IP |
| 15:42.16 | mot | so if i do that, i can just configure vmware with bridged networking right? |
| 15:42.25 | stew | chops: right |
| 15:42.26 | kibibyte | mot but this windows will be slower than installed on hardware |
| 15:43.10 | cast | mot: i believe it to be channel policy to direct vmware questions, xp questions, and norton questions, elsewhere |
| 15:43.19 | mot | i'm trying to get around actually installing xp start onto a box for security reasons. |
| 15:43.24 | chops | kibibyte: I believe that the etch version will install by default, but if you install a package that doesn't exist in etch, or that needs dependencies only installable from backports, then you'll get the backports version, yes. |
| 15:43.25 | cast | of course i'm drawing all this from the dpkg 'vmware' factoid :) |
| 15:44.09 | mot | cast: that's absolutely fine, however there are less coarse ways of doing so. if you paid any attention to my question you'd see that i needed to come to #debian to get it answered since it involves os-to-os service collaboration. |
| 15:44.46 | mot | but since you obviously didn't and just chose to fling out a catch-all answer causing me to waste 5 seconds of my life reading it, i'm going to make you waste those same 5 seconds reading this. |
| 15:44.50 | cast | wouldn't one ask vmware? |
| 15:44.59 | mot | no. |
| 15:45.14 | mot | i came to #debian to ask, got my answer, and all is well |
| 15:45.14 | CompWizrd | um, if you're putting the norton stuff on XP, you're still going to need to install a full version of XP anyways |
| 15:45.35 | mot | CompWizrd, right, but running it on top of debian = more secure. |
| 15:45.43 | CompWizrd | and from the networ perspective, there's little difference between a hardware box and a vmware'd service |
| 15:45.53 | CompWizrd | why would it be more secure? |
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| 15:46.09 | CompWizrd | are you confusing wine and vmware? |
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| 15:48.29 | mot | no |
| 15:48.33 | kibibyte | then install linux on box which works as firewall for this windows box |
| 15:48.36 | mot | i don't expect wine to run the management console. |
| 15:48.53 | mot | kibibyte, already have actually - i have a box setup as a firewall |
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| 15:49.11 | mot | i just like lots and lots of redundancy. i do IT for a department of essentially farmers with PhDs at my university. |
| 15:49.11 | kibibyte | so why you need vmware |
| 15:49.23 | mot | i figured running xp on top of debian would be more secure from the networking perspective |
| 15:49.36 | mot | but i guess i didn't consider that if there's bridged networking, debian becomes irrelevant in the security equation |
| 15:49.37 | mot | my bad |
| 15:50.11 | kibibyte | there are severall options in vmware how to configure network |
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| 15:50.45 | slidesinger | I'm trying to migrate from VMWare to qemu. No problem on the VM's and the disk images, but I am needing to set up VDE. I have read the docs and walked through them on a machine using ifup/ifdown to manage network interfaces with no problem.  |
| 15:50.45 | outlaw84 | I am having problems with my cron/crontab. The jobs I add simply dont run. I have tried adding a line with 'crontab -e' and also adding scripts into /etc/cron.hourly/, they simply dont run! I dont know what to do |
| 15:50.47 | slidesinger | The issue that, on my laptop, is I have been using network-manager to handle my various network connections, including wpa encrypted ones. VDE does not seem compatible with network-manager, at least I can find no docs on such a configuration. Has anyone done this or am I on a wild goose chase? |
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| 15:50.58 | SpookyET | hi |
| 15:51.01 | SpookyET | i'm trying to figure out why rsync is so bloody slow. With rsync , I get 1.5-2MiB/s . With scp, I get 8MiB/s over ethernet. |
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| 15:51.39 | jelly | mot: if your app expects inbound connections, you can either do bridging and just have a slow xp machine on the network, or do NAT and forward only the ports needed |
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| 15:52.09 | cast | SpookyET: is your rsync running over ssh? |
| 15:52.23 | NekoKun | how to make it see the lan? Whe I type ifconfig eth0 doesn't show up... |
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| 15:52.33 | kibibyte | mot, http://www.carbonwind.net/VMware/VMwareServerNetworkingOptions/VMwareServerNetworkingOptions.htm |
| 15:52.44 | SpookyET | cast, yes,. |
| 15:52.48 | NekoKun | Also, how to scan and add wireless lans? |
| 15:52.48 | SpookyET | cast: so does scp |
| 15:52.49 | stew | NekoKun: does eth0 show up when you run "ifconfig -a"? |
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| 15:54.30 | jair | NekoKun: what hardware are you using? |
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| 15:54.39 | NekoKun | eeepc |
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| 15:54.57 | jair | NekoKun: version of debian please? |
| 15:55.22 | NekoKun | Lenny/Sid |
| 15:55.24 | cast | SpookyET: i could imagine rsync thrashing the disk and doing its rolling checksum thing driving the load up, consequently ssh xfer speed dropping |
| 15:55.29 | cast | NekoKun: got the atl modules installed? |
| 15:55.50 | jair | NekoKun: alright |
| 15:56.07 | jair | NekoKun: run this command: iwconfig |
| 15:56.15 | jair | and tell me if you get any information |
| 15:56.28 | jair | paste it on => paste.debian.net |
| 15:57.04 | jair | NekoKun: what brand of laptop is this one? |
| 15:57.05 | stew | cast: what is rsync's 'rolling checksum thing'? |
| 15:57.05 | SpookyET | cast: any idea on how to speed it up? |
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| 15:57.40 | NekoKun | Asus |
| 15:57.45 | jair | nice |
| 15:58.01 | jair | NekoKun: and bose fhalla portuguese tambein :) |
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| 15:59.09 | NekoKun | yup |
| 15:59.13 | cast | stew: how it works out whats modified, same, and new, in a file - i think. |
| 15:59.26 | NekoKun | stew: -a found it... |
| 15:59.32 | Romik | hi, After last updated of X11 on my debian lenny (laptop nc6400, video i945GM) a got a slow system, compiz, avant, xfce, etc. all work, but slowly and my CPU is to loaded, here is some logs and configs: http://pastebin.com/f243b48bc |
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| 15:59.52 | stew | cast: it doesn't use checksums unless you tell it to. and it figures out the modified files before anything starts transferring |
| 15:59.58 | jair | NekoKun: alright then the kernel recognized the wifi card |
| 16:00.06 | NekoKun | also iwconfig... |
| 16:00.11 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_checksum there we go |
| 16:00.16 | Romik | may be somebody have this problem to and can find fix for this |
| 16:00.45 | NekoKun | is there a good gui manager for both ath and eth networks? I was thinking about WiFi Radar... |
| 16:00.50 | jair | NekoKun: do this => iwlist -ath0 or wifi0 or whatever the name of the wireless adapter is scanning | less |
| 16:01.14 | jair | try to avoid guis |
| 16:01.16 | stew | NekoKun: network-manager ; if you are in gnome you'd want nm-applet from network-manager-gnome |
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| 16:01.40 | stew | NekoKun: it is not showing up in ifconfig (but is in ifconfig -a) becuase the interface has not yet been brought 'up' |
| 16:01.42 | cast | stew: then once it works out the modified files it has to work out what parts of the file have been modified, right? |
| 16:01.48 | NekoKun | iwlist not found... |
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| 16:02.00 | jair | NekoKun: one sec |
| 16:02.28 | stew | cast: not afaik |
| 16:02.36 | stew | NekoKun: its in the wireless-tools package |
| 16:02.53 | cast | wait...so if i change a single byte in a 1GB file the whole thing gets resent? christ :\ |
| 16:02.59 | cast | investigates |
| 16:03.00 | stew | cast: afaik |
| 16:03.03 | jair | NekoKun: http://paste.debian.net/2475/ |
| 16:03.25 | NekoKun | I have no net in the notebook... |
| 16:03.42 | NekoKun | iwlist ath0 scanning returned stuff |
| 16:03.56 | kibibyte | i have problem with flash and firefox , when im watching youtube and chane movie form one another it hangs my browser i need to kill it |
| 16:04.02 | NekoKun | hw to try to connect in one of them? Seem that none has password :D |
| 16:04.13 | jair | NekoKun: stuff? or the available access points, that are broadcasted. |
| 16:04.27 | stew | kibibyte: which flash player are you using? adobe's or gnash? |
| 16:05.24 | kibibyte | adobe |
| 16:05.29 | stew | NekoKun: something like "iwconfig ath0 essid foo channel 1" (where foo is the actual essid and 1 is the actual channel) |
| 16:05.36 | jair | NekoKun: find one of the access points broadcasted, get the channel number, essid, |
| 16:05.43 | NekoKun | ok |
| 16:05.53 | stew | NekoKun: if you want to configure this statically, youd' do it in /etc/network/interfaces (man wireless ; man interfaces) |
| 16:05.58 | jair | make sure that it shows => enc off and open |
| 16:06.03 | stew | NekoKun: if you want to do this with a gui, use netowrk-manager |
| 16:06.25 | cast | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync#Algorithm describes a file being split into chunks, chunks that are new get resent |
| 16:06.32 | stew | kibibyte: you'd have to ask adobe to help you debug it then, we're not going to be able to help |
| 16:06.35 | jair | NekoKun: I will recommend do it through the terminal, not extra stuff to install on your system |
| 16:06.43 | cast | s/resent/sent |
| 16:06.44 | kibibyte | is gnash better? |
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| 16:06.55 | stew | kibibyte: define better |
| 16:07.03 | mbroeker | uhmm. i need libxml.so.1 and cannot find it. Does someone know the proper package name of it in Lenny? |
| 16:07.18 | jair | NekoKun: I think that having to install gnome just to connect wireless without understand better the way it work is not too a good idea. |
| 16:07.32 | stew | cast: excellent |
| 16:07.56 | jair | NekoKun: so simple: 1- make sure your wifi adapter is seen by the kernel. ath0 wifi0 .... |
| 16:08.02 | kibibyte | better i mean it not hangs browser it play all movies and games written in flash |
| 16:08.04 | NekoKun | jair: as soon I get a lan on it, I'll try to connect |
| 16:08.13 | stew | kibibyte: then no, it is not better |
| 16:08.21 | kibibyte | why |
| 16:08.27 | jair | 2- run the command iwlist ath0 scanning and select the AP available without password |
| 16:08.33 | NekoKun | I used the iwconfig, after that the choosen network didn't appear in iwlist |
| 16:08.42 | stew | kibibyte: it hangs the browser just as much, if not more, and plays only a fraction of the movies and games written in flash |
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| 16:08.48 | Punker | Hello |
| 16:09.02 | kibibyte | stew you serious?? |
| 16:09.05 | stew | kibibyte: yes |
| 16:09.32 | jair | when you run the command iwlist ath0 scanning, you will see the rate strenght of the AP, if is very low, then sometimes you don't connect. |
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| 16:09.51 | jair | NekoKun: when you run the command iwlist ath0 scanning, you will see the rate strenght of the AP, if is very low, then sometimes you don't connect. |
| 16:09.56 | stew | NekoKun: which desktop environment, if any, do you run? do you run gnome? kde? neither? something else? |
| 16:10.27 | jair | NekoKun: io tengo que is fora.. |
| 16:10.36 | NekoKun | xfce |
| 16:10.41 | jair | NekoKun: obrigado bon dia |
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| 16:11.09 | piranesi | I can't create an initrd image because mkinitrd tells me this: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module . How can I do to resolve this? |
| 16:11.11 | NekoKun | jair: Whatever you're typing, it isn't real portuguese :p but had a nice day too :D |
| 16:11.17 | stew | jair: english only in here, please |
| 16:11.19 | cast | stew: ahh, there is an option to send the entire file how you were thinking, rsync --whole-file, which is the default when src and dsts are both local |
| 16:12.11 | stew | cast: that would make sense for local, since it has to make a copy of the file before writing anyway (becuase it doesn't want to touch the original file it is replacing until it has a complete new copy) |
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| 16:12.25 | stew | NekoKun: try nm-applet from network-manager-gnome |
| 16:12.32 | stew | NekoKun: (if you still want a gui for this) |
| 16:12.53 | NekoKun | I have no lan, so, apt-get won't work |
| 16:13.01 | KatanaSt | is it possible to use the net install iso on a laptop with a Broadcom 590x PHY nic? |
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| 16:15.04 | NekoKun | how to make it connect when the eth cable is on? |
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| 16:15.48 | stew | NekoKun: do you mean "anytime a eth cable is connected" or "for now, since an ethernet cable is connected"? |
| 16:15.58 | DavidProck1981 | is there different ways to install kde, like a full or light , etc. ? |
| 16:16.02 | NekoKun | for now |
| 16:16.14 | NekoKun | usually I have a wifi |
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| 16:16.22 | stew | NekoKun: "dhclient eth0" |
| 16:16.43 | stew | NekoKun: (that is assuming you are on a network with a dhcp server that would offer you an address) |
| 16:17.01 | anaXamon | is debian the best os for servers? |
| 16:17.07 | cast | yes. |
| 16:17.12 | DavidProck1981 | oh ya i got a problem with my wireless net, well sort of ................. |
| 16:17.12 | NekoKun | definitelly |
| 16:17.13 | anaXamon | my boss vote for fedora and me for debian |
| 16:17.18 | NekoKun | brb |
| 16:17.24 | NekoKun | oh |
| 16:17.24 | stew | anaXamon: we think so. ask in a different channel you'll get a different answer |
| 16:17.33 | NekoKun | after dhcp it,what to do? |
| 16:17.37 | cahoot | ask the boss? |
| 16:17.43 | NekoKun | ok, saw it |
| 16:17.44 | NekoKun | thanks |
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| 16:18.15 | anaXamon | yes, but i need to fnd a reason to convinve him |
| 16:18.23 | stew | anaXamon: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 16:19.02 | cast | fedora has had 9 releases since nov 2003 |
| 16:19.35 | stew | which could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your perspective. |
| 16:19.37 | DavidProck1981 | my eth0 is my lan-line / wired , my eth1 is my wireless card, and it works, but there is also a wifi0 and on start up it tries for ever to get something from dhcp ? what is the wifi0 if my eth0 is the wireless card ?????????????????????? |
| 16:19.52 | cast | debians had...2 |
| 16:19.56 | stew | if it is a bad thing, and really long term support is a goal, ubuntu server lts would be better than debain (at least from that perspective) |
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| 16:21.08 | cahoot | DavidProck1981: the info in /msg dpkg z25 might be of use |
| 16:21.20 | thedonvaughn | anaXamon: tell your boss that momos run fedora as a sserver. they've never even had a single stable release. |
| 16:21.32 | DavidProck1981 | correction .............. |
| 16:21.33 | thedonvaughn | anaXamon: just my humble opinion of course :) |
| 16:21.41 | DavidProck1981 | my eth0 is my lan-line / wired , my eth1 is my wireless card, and it works, but there is also a wifi0 and on start up it tries for ever to get something from dhcp ? what is the wifi0 if my *eth1* is the wireless card |
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| 16:22.27 | anaXamon | ok, he told me: "search a comparison between fedora and debain"..... |
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| 16:22.44 | anaXamon | a performance comparison, for example |
| 16:23.15 | stew | anaXamon: there should not be any noticable difference in performance |
| 16:23.16 | DavidProck1981 | cahoot i still dont quite get it |
| 16:23.35 | cahoot | DavidProck1981: no mention of wifi0 there? |
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| 16:23.58 | stew | DavidProck1981: wifi0 is also your wireless card |
| 16:24.09 | cast | support might be a big factor, if you're wanting it |
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| 16:26.00 | cast | i think whoever has to admin it should decide! they're the ones that have to deal with it after all |
| 16:26.25 | simonrvn | cast++ |
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| 16:27.00 | DavidProck1981 | cahoot, no it just has a line for etho & eth1 , NO wifi0 |
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| 16:27.44 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: does iwconfig wifi0 return anything? |
| 16:28.20 | DavidProck1981 | do that as root? |
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| 16:28.59 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: need root privileges, however you want to do it. |
| 16:29.07 | DavidProck1981 | thedonvaughn yes it does |
| 16:29.16 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: and same for eth1? |
| 16:30.27 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: sorry just type iwconfig by itself.. it'll scan all interfaces to see which ones can be used for wireless. |
| 16:30.30 | anaXamon | but in security and stability terms, where can i find a great comparison? |
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| 16:30.42 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: i just want to verify that both eth1 and wifi0 come up with wireless extensions. |
| 16:31.01 | DavidProck1981 | yes its the same |
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| 16:31.40 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: ifconfig -a, are they the same HWAddr ? |
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| 16:32.20 | simonrvn | put it this way, IME of being on the receiving end, i've seen many more rh boxen rooted than debian ones. my own experiences as a host/admin of a public web server at home, over 5+ years. |
| 16:32.26 | valdyn | anaXamon: its not that simple |
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| 16:32.45 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 16:32.54 | DavidProck1981 | huh, when i type iwconfig it shows a sit0 ( no wireless extensions.) what is that one ??? |
| 16:32.55 | simonrvn | you can't graph that sort of thing |
| 16:33.14 | valdyn | anaXamon: if operating systems were that simple, a perfect one would exist and everyone would use that |
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| 16:33.50 | anaXamon | yes isnt simple, but i'm searching for a performance comparison, for example |
| 16:33.59 | valdyn | anaXamon: thats silly |
| 16:34.03 | simonrvn | that too, varies |
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| 16:34.10 | dutchfish | simonrvn, pardon me for asking, but what do you think is the main course of rooted boxen, (not counting lazy admins, with lack of security measures)? |
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| 16:34.22 | valdyn | anaXamon: but feel free to use google |
| 16:34.43 | valdyn | anaXamon: just keep in mind that usually people doing such a comparison dont even know properly what they are talking about |
| 16:34.53 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i'll include it anyway, since that's what i think is #1 cause of pwned machines |
| 16:34.53 | valdyn | anaXamon: because a knowledgeable person would not do it |
| 16:34.58 | DavidProck1981 | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:9B:A1:D8:C5 |
| 16:35.07 | DavidProck1981 | wifi0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-0E-9B-A1-D8-C5-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
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| 16:35.15 | DavidProck1981 | there u go thedonvaughn |
| 16:35.37 | dutchfish | simonrvn, of coarse, but i was curious why you made that statement about RH boxen, whats the difference? |
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| 16:36.05 | valdyn | dutchfish: badly written php |
| 16:36.08 | valdyn | dutchfish: i guess |
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| 16:36.34 | dutchfish | simonrvn, still, thats no difference on debian boxen |
| 16:36.51 | simonrvn | dutchfish: biased opinion? older rh installs? just my experience, from what i've seen as defaults for those |
| 16:37.15 | DavidProck1981 | thedonvaughn: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:9B:A1:D8:C5 |
| 16:37.24 | simonrvn | erm, s,biased,, |
| 16:37.27 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: nah wifi0 isn't your wireless card then. look at link encap and hwaddress. wifi0 is prolly bluetooth radio or something like that *shrugs* |
| 16:37.28 | DavidProck1981 | thedonvaughn: wifi0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-0E-9B-A1-D8-C5-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 16:37.30 | reloop | hi, whcih services are enabled by default if i do a standard server installtion? |
| 16:37.33 | simonrvn | (removing redunancy) |
| 16:37.38 | DavidProck1981 | thedonvaughn: so now what do i do ?, or anyone know? |
| 16:37.47 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: i'd let it be heh |
| 16:37.52 | valdyn | reloop: debian has "standard server installation"? that'S news |
| 16:37.52 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: i have 2 as well. wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 16:38.09 | dutchfish | simonrvn, as much as i like debian, even badly written php doesnt need to be a security issue on properly configged boxes ... but i want to believe you! give me just one sane argument ;) |
| 16:38.19 | DavidProck1981 | i do have blue tooth |
| 16:38.25 | simonrvn | maybe thinking of one of the "server" tasks in tasksel? |
| 16:38.44 | reloop | valdyn, i mean if i install it as a minimal installation to use it as a server.. im just thinking bout using debian.. i heard its good ;) |
| 16:38.47 | simonrvn | dutchfish: no, that applies anywhere. |
| 16:39.11 | valdyn | reloop: minimal debian has just ssh if even that |
| 16:39.15 | DavidProck1981 | do they make blue tooth routers? |
| 16:39.19 | valdyn | reloop: + what you chose to install |
| 16:39.24 | reloop | valdyn. thats all i wanted to know :) |
| 16:39.32 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ok, sorry for trolling, just couldnt resist, thank you for your answers |
| 16:39.36 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i can't give you one, as i don't study this except as need or interest arises |
| 16:39.43 | DavidProck1981 | why would it be tring to get something from dhcp? |
| 16:39.56 | valdyn | reloop: you will be presented a list of "tasks" that select packages for you, you dont have to pick any task |
| 16:39.58 | simonrvn | no, that wasn't trolling, np |
| 16:40.02 | justin | DavidProck1981: it's not bluetooth |
| 16:40.16 | stew | reloop: what do you mean by services? network services? something else? |
| 16:40.18 | valdyn | reloop: but any of those tasks can contain services |
| 16:40.31 | DavidProck1981 | so my pc has 2 wireless cards??? |
| 16:40.34 | reloop | stew, network services |
| 16:40.40 | simonrvn | ssh doesn't get installed, it's in optional or extra IIRC |
| 16:40.42 | justin | DavidProck1981: no. |
| 16:40.53 | stew | reloop: if you do a base install, then afaik no network services would be enabled |
| 16:41.03 | DavidProck1981 | so what is it? |
| 16:41.10 | reloop | stew. ok thanks for the info :) |
| 16:41.11 | justin | DavidProck1981: two entries for the same card |
| 16:41.12 | simonrvn | yeh, optional |
| 16:41.21 | stew | it used to be that discard, daytime would be enabled, but i don't think they are any longer |
| 16:41.23 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/UsersGuide#a1.2Usingwlanconfig - this explains it |
| 16:41.26 | reloop | i will apt-get everthing i nedd then ;) |
| 16:41.33 | stew | reloop: use aptitude not apt-get |
| 16:41.36 | reloop | *need |
| 16:41.37 | valdyn | reloop: so if you know what you actually want, you dont pick any task and install what you want after that |
| 16:41.45 | DavidProck1981 | so how do i get rid of the wifi0 and still keep the eth1 working? |
| 16:41.50 | reloop | stew hmm why? |
| 16:41.58 | stew | reloop: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 16:42.04 | reloop | valdyn, thats my plan :) |
| 16:42.05 | stew | DavidProck1981: why do you want to get rid of wifi0? |
| 16:42.07 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: which driver / chipset is this about? |
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| 16:42.46 | dutchfish | simonrvn, for you info on all the boxes where i expirienced security issues was the top mane course the kernel, secondly lazy admins ... |
| 16:43.07 | reloop | stew, ah ok... didnt know i always used apt-get. and one should not mix up apt-get and aptitude right? |
| 16:43.16 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: u don't. wifi0 is your deive, and eth2 is your interface to it |
| 16:43.19 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know, i just know it takes for ever for the pc to load cause wifi0 cant get a dhcp but eth1 does |
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| 16:43.32 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: the newest linux wifi drivers always have at least 1 "master" interface and at least one "virtual" interface that is used |
| 16:43.35 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: you can prolly take that out of /etc/network/interfaces if you have a wifi0 dhcp entry |
| 16:43.44 | DavidProck1981 | eth1 is the enterface not 2 |
| 16:43.53 | antgel | !u |
| 16:43.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:44.00 | DavidProck1981 | eth0 is hte lan line interface |
| 16:44.02 | thedonvaughn | DavidProck1981: whatever, but u get the content of what i said. i dont' know your system |
| 16:44.06 | cast | wouldn't surprise me if rh admins were on average less able. i mean redhat was the easy to use click and drool distro |
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| 16:44.26 | dutchfish | cast, there you could have a point |
| 16:44.35 | crow | how to get current kernel-source (sid) over apt-get |
| 16:44.50 | simonrvn | cast: yeh, i was also thinking that |
| 16:44.57 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 16:45.10 | simonrvn | crow: and why are you using sid if you don't know that? |
| 16:45.47 | crow | simonrvn well i am not using sid, then sidux , and i need kernel source for making dvb-s2 driver to work... i dont know much :) |
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| 16:45.59 | valdyn | !sidux |
| 16:46.00 | dpkg | i heard sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
| 16:46.11 | valdyn | !OT |
| 16:46.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:46.15 | dutchfish | grumbles in silence, no panel nor gui can replace knowledge or care |
| 16:46.41 | crow | well i am asking debian question? how to install current kernel source over apt-get ? |
| 16:46.45 | cahoot | dutchfish: you don't use elevators? |
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| 16:47.31 | dutchfish | cahoot, stairs, also i am 51 |
| 16:47.41 | valdyn | crow: "apt-cache search linux-source" and take your pick |
| 16:47.53 | cahoot | dutchfish: commendable |
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| 16:50.19 | crow | valdyn thnx, but there is no my current kernel in list, but then that is maybe OT and no replay is needed, thnx |
| 16:50.41 | valdyn | crow: sid kernels are in sid repositories |
| 16:50.52 | valdyn | crow: hence you need a line for sid in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:51.07 | dutchfish | mumbles someting about etchandahalf |
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| 16:51.31 | crow | valdyn is there "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main" |
| 16:51.46 | valdyn | crow: yes |
| 16:51.55 | valdyn | crow: "aptitude update" |
| 16:52.12 | valdyn | linux-source-2.6.24 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.24 with Debian patches |
| 16:54.00 | crow | valdyn well here it doesnt find it, only linux-source-2.6.25 and i need 2.6.24 but ok will upgrade dist :) |
| 16:54.24 | benjamindees | update ! |
| 16:54.28 | benjamindees | =upgrade |
| 16:54.30 | valdyn | crow: my result was for the amd64 arch |
| 16:54.40 | valdyn | crow: its possible that i386 is ahead |
| 16:55.17 | valdyn | crow: err, sorry, my result was for lenny |
| 16:55.24 | valdyn | crow: so sid can obviously be ahead |
| 16:55.30 | crow | valdyn well i also need amd64 |
| 16:55.37 | crow | valdyn k thnx :) |
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| 16:56.36 | dutchfish | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 16:57.00 | twobitwork | is there a dpkg command for setting up intil wireless? |
| 16:57.01 | dutchfish | 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.2 |
| 16:57.03 | twobitwork | intel |
| 16:57.21 | valdyn | twobitwork: what could there be to set up with dpkg? |
| 16:57.24 | twobitwork | dpkg in either sense, the program or the bot |
| 16:57.24 | dpkg | twobitwork: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:57.33 | twobitwork | dpkg: eat me |
| 16:57.33 | dpkg | eats twobitwork, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 16:57.52 | valdyn | twobitwork: which of the 5+ chipsets? |
| 16:57.59 | twobitwork | 2200bg |
| 16:58.04 | valdyn | !ipw2200 |
| 16:58.05 | dpkg | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 16:58.12 | twobitwork | ahh, thanks |
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| 17:01.57 | NekoKun | I just installed NetworkManager/NetworkManagerGnome, but it isn't running.. any idea why? |
| 17:02.16 | valdyn | NekoKun: why do you think its not running? |
| 17:02.20 | Bushmills | because it is Friday? |
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| 17:03.04 | NekoKun | it isn't at the tray |
| 17:03.13 | valdyn | NekoKun: run "nm-applet" |
| 17:03.49 | jackson | is there a package that provides xcb_event? |
| 17:04.07 | dutchfish | is there some hint/manual how i can make a package/compile from the git? i want this to compile: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd.git;a=summary |
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| 17:05.43 | valdyn | dutchfish: your real problem is fetchign the source? |
| 17:05.48 | stew | jackson: probably libxcb1, but what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:05.50 | dutchfish | valdyn, nope |
| 17:06.01 | valdyn | dutchfish: in which way is this a git issue then? |
| 17:06.38 | jackson | stew: compile the devel version of the awesome wm, it's failing on the ./configure about checking for xcb_util, i have libxcb1 and libxcb1-dev |
| 17:06.48 | valdyn | dutchfish: get source, unpack it, run build script |
| 17:06.51 | stew | jackson: apt-get build-dep awesome |
| 17:06.55 | valdyn | dutchfish: i dont know where you are stuck |
| 17:07.00 | NekoKun | mmm I expected it to scan networks too... |
| 17:07.05 | dutchfish | valdyn, whats is best practise to do, i expect this will a repetitive task for quiet a while till it get in testing |
| 17:07.26 | stew | NekoKun: do you mean search for wireless networks? |
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| 17:07.47 | NekoKun | yes |
| 17:07.50 | stew | NekoKun: it does |
| 17:08.00 | jackson | stew: thanks, ill try it, but it looks like its just installing a bunch of tetex language packages and some docbook stuff |
| 17:08.06 | NekoKun | how?{ |
| 17:08.14 | dutchfish | valdyn, i have many small things, but i can solve those, i read the debian matainer section, but i want it to automate somehow |
| 17:08.15 | stew | NekoKun: what do you mean by "how"? |
| 17:08.37 | stew | jackson: are you compiling the debian package of awesome of the upstream sources? |
| 17:08.54 | jackson | no, im using the awesome git repository |
| 17:09.09 | stew | jackson: i know he switched to xcb somewhat recently, so your deb-src is probably pointing to an older source pacake |
| 17:09.49 | valdyn | dutchfish: "git clone <repo>" at the first time only |
| 17:09.49 | jelly | blinks at "debian package of awesome" |
| 17:09.51 | NekoKun | cause Im looking at it and it doesn't list any network... and wpa_cli scan_results show me 2 networks |
| 17:09.57 | stew | jackson: actually nevermind, it doesn't look like the xcb version has been uploaded to debian yet |
| 17:10.02 | jackson | yea |
| 17:10.07 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes, did that, but for resync? |
| 17:10.08 | blame | If my ISP isn't running reverse DNS on my IP, can I launch DNS of my own and reverse the IP with my example.com domain? |
| 17:10.18 | valdyn | dutchfish: then in your own script: cd <dir>; git pull ; git checkout ; ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 17:10.37 | dutchfish | valdyn, bows politely, thank you :) |
| 17:11.22 | valdyn | dutchfish: pull synchronises the git database ( in .git/ ), checkout updates the actual source tree |
| 17:11.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, ok |
| 17:12.03 | dutchfish | valdyn, yup confirmed. working now |
| 17:12.04 | valdyn | dutchfish: also, a make clean or make distclean could possibly be required |
| 17:12.28 | dutchfish | valdyn, of coarse |
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| 17:12.50 | NekoKun | stew: cause Im looking at it and it doesn't list any network... and wpa_cli scan_results show me 2 networks |
| 17:13.05 | stew | jelly: its another reaction to ion3 becoming non-free, http://julien.danjou.info/blog/index.php/category/awesome |
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| 17:13.34 | stew | NekoKun: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:13.38 | valdyn | dutchfish: ops, i guess you would run dpkg-buildpackage since this is the actual debian source |
| 17:13.43 | jelly | I see, it's just that the package name is awesome! |
| 17:13.58 | stew | jelly: indeed |
| 17:14.05 | NekoKun | I have no lan there |
| 17:14.12 | dutchfish | valdyn, yeh, figured that out already (the hard way) ;) |
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| 17:14.32 | jelly | It lends itself to puny humans almost better than debian/rules. |
| 17:14.41 | dutchfish | valdyn, and reverse deps ... but those are minors |
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| 17:15.33 | valdyn | dutchfish: in case of X drivers i just use the xorg git and overwrite debian package files using configure --prefix=/usr |
| 17:15.38 | NekoKun | stew: But it says something about wpa-conf (path to a conf file) |
| 17:15.40 | valdyn | dutchfish: it works, but i cant recommend it clearly |
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| 17:15.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes, that is the case |
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| 17:16.01 | kombucha | apt-proxy2 always eventually starts hanging and crapping out on me. is there something better than apt-proxy2 out there , for caching debs on my local network ? |
| 17:16.02 | stew | NekoKun: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 17:16.13 | valdyn | kombucha: yes, approx |
| 17:17.30 | valdyn | blame: no |
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| 17:17.57 | valdyn | blame: if you want working reverse dns you need your isp to do it for you or to forward the query for you |
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| 17:18.42 | dutchfish | kombucha, you behind proxy? |
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| 17:19.06 | valdyn | blame: every business account would have that, but not the cheap home/for private accounts |
| 17:19.10 | dutchfish | kombucha, if isa or ntlm based use ntlmaps along with apt |
| 17:19.56 | NekoKun | stew: So, if I comment it, it shall work? |
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| 17:20.47 | stew | NekoKun: if it doesn't appear in /etc/network/interfaces at all, network-manager would manage it (after you restart network-manager) |
| 17:21.21 | valdyn | NekoKun: this is nicely documented, read the docs |
| 17:21.26 | blame | valdyn: right, thanks for clearing the smoke for me. |
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| 17:23.39 | ttl- | n3kl: hi! |
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| 17:26.31 | twobitwork | i just installed ubuntu and make my wireless work |
| 17:26.38 | twobitwork | ducks |
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| 17:27.39 | cast | poor guy, hes got wireless |
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| 17:27.56 | twobitwork | heh |
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| 17:28.15 | twobitwork | ne1 help me? |
| 17:28.26 | twobitwork | sorry... I'm bored, I'll stop now |
| 17:28.28 | kombucha | twobitwork: r u cute? |
| 17:28.33 | twobitwork | asl? |
| 17:28.40 | cast | s2r? |
| 17:28.50 | cast | dpkg: asl |
| 17:28.50 | dpkg | cast, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 17:29.34 | streuner | twobitwork: #ubuntu |
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| 17:30.47 | cast | the real question, which is less evil, the quicktime or the wmv version |
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| 17:32.11 | quieteyes | ok, I think my install just horked. Lenny seemed to pull a bunch of random crap from no-where and in the process of doing so has completely botched up apt's ability to reason. It continues to complain "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpk --configure -a' to correct the problem", yet when I do that, the process completely fails. I have tried cleaning the cache and reverting from "lenny" to "stable" in the sources.list file but to no ava |
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| 17:33.19 | quieteyes | and yes, I tried "apt-get remove python2.5" but that will fail with the same message; you can't get aptitude to force its way through it, dpkg appears brain damaged, and it seems that hope is lost :( |
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| 17:36.35 | orveldv | quieteyes: what do you mean by "Lenny seemed to pull a bunch of random crap from no-where"? It doesn't follow the sources.list ? |
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| 17:38.00 | quieteyes | orveldv: yes - but there was suddenly about 600mb worth of stuff that wanted to dist-update, despite me wanting to just do a regular update. Apt pretty much walked into the room, wearing sunglasses, carrying a shotgun, and said "I am here to kick your local repo's ass, and to chew bubble gum...and I'm all out of gum." |
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| 17:38.19 | tvynr | Does anyone know where I might get a good recommendation for a new scanner for Linux? |
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| 17:38.30 | tvynr | I've tried both the HP G3010 and the Epson V200 and both have failed to do anything good for me. |
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| 17:38.55 | dutchfish | !hcl |
| 17:38.55 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 17:39.35 | tvynr | I've taken a look on the SANE site for hardware compatibility. What I'm looking for is someone who can honestly tell me they've gotten a relatively new scanner working under Debian Etch. |
| 17:39.54 | quieteyes | I'll put a copy of the output up on flood if I can... |
| 17:40.12 | tvynr | According to the SANE site, the HP G3010 has basic support. Which seems to mean that it produces grainy, low contrast images. |
| 17:40.18 | orveldv | quieteyes: ok then, why / how does "dpkg --configure -a" fail? |
| 17:40.38 | dutchfish | tvynr, i have some scanners working, but i admit most will work but not all support all features, mostly those all-in-one are nono's |
| 17:40.59 | chops | quieteyes: Better to put it on a pastebin |
| 17:41.06 | quieteyes | orveldv: unfortunately dpkg appears to shunt to stderr instead of stdout, so gimme a sec to re-run the process |
| 17:41.16 | chops | quieteyes: Also, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:41.24 | tvynr | dutchfish: No trouble. Heck, I'm mostly using the scanner from the CLI anyway; I have a bunch of stuff I need to scan (in books and stuff, so I can't just get a sheet feeder) and so I wrote a bash script to do the scanning for me. |
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| 17:41.43 | quieteyes | I'll try...gimme a sec, have to return to work & finish a request. I'll be back with the pastebin link |
| 17:42.17 | tvynr | dutchfish: My problem is that I've tried two new scanners that are supposed to work in some capacity and I still have nothing. The latest failure is because the Epson V200's drivers rely on a closed-source module from Epson... and it's not compatible with my 64-bit box. :( |
| 17:42.30 | dutchfish | tvynr, i have running some HP and canoscan, but there are a lot others that work too, i have bad exp with epson scanners |
| 17:43.10 | tvynr | dutchfish: Are you running all open-source? If not, are you running 64-bit? |
| 17:43.16 | dutchfish | tvynr, yes |
| 17:43.22 | tvynr | dutchfish: This closed source crap from Epson has me worried. :-P |
| 17:43.40 | dutchfish | tvynr, all opens source and also some on 64 bit |
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| 17:44.26 | tvynr | dutchfish: So is there a model of HP scanner you would recommend? I'm mostly just looking for a full bed color scan of pretty high resolution (~4800 or so). I thought the G3010 would get me there, but the hp3900 backend was producing faded, low-contrast images. |
| 17:44.29 | dutchfish | tvynr, i have good expirience with xsane on lenny and etch |
| 17:44.47 | tvynr | dutchfish: I was using scanimage. :-D But the problem at hand is getting the backend to talk nicely. |
| 17:44.54 | tvynr | dutchfish: With which models have you had success? |
| 17:45.20 | dutchfish | tvynr, yup, and 5550 did very nice |
| 17:45.40 | tvynr | dutchfish: Can one still buy one of those? |
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| 17:45.50 | PleXuS | hi all |
| 17:46.00 | PleXuS | anyone known how to check what speed your network card uses? |
| 17:46.05 | dutchfish | tvynr, but canoscan gave me best quality and they are quiet cheap |
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| 17:46.10 | tvynr | dutchfish: I'd still be using my HP C3400 if it weren't for the fact that it's old as sin. :-P |
| 17:46.20 | tvynr | dutchfish: Canoscan? Never heard of the brand before. |
| 17:46.28 | tvynr | dutchfish: I'll glance on Newegg real quick. |
| 17:47.05 | dutchfish | tvynr, just google on it ;) i am not gona give you commercials ;) |
| 17:47.15 | abrotman | PleXuS: mii-tool or ethtool |
| 17:48.14 | PleXuS | abrotman, i used mii-tool and it says --->> eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok --- and connection where it's going to says its 1000mbit |
| 17:48.40 | dutchfish | tvynr, bonus (why i choosed that one) it gets its power through usb, so you also able to use it with your laptop when on journey |
| 17:48.42 | PleXuS | 1000mbit switch.. when its 1000mbit its green light when its 100mbit orange |
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| 17:49.05 | tvynr | dutchfish: Ooo... that is a bonus. What model do you have? What kind of resolution? I might just buy the same one you have. :) |
| 17:49.28 | dutchfish | tvynr, give me a sec, i check upstairs |
| 17:49.40 | tvynr | dutchfish: Thank you so much. :) |
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| 17:50.20 | PleXuS | abrotman, mii-tool do it work correctly? |
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| 17:52.21 | _ZeuZ_ | what package can I use to convert a PDF to a ODF or DOC file? preferibly the open Office format |
| 17:52.27 | asmarin | hi |
| 17:52.35 | asmarin | i have a server with lsi megaraid card |
| 17:52.47 | asmarin | but hardware raid manager are on rpm |
| 17:52.52 | asmarin | i cant convert with alien |
| 17:53.04 | justin | asmarin: would that be a dell server? |
| 17:53.09 | asmarin | how i can monitor it? a green led is blinking |
| 17:53.12 | dutchfish | tvynr, CanoScan N670U |
| 17:53.30 | _ZeuZ_ | asmarin: how comes you can't convert it? |
| 17:53.30 | asmarin | i think perhaps is a hd problem |
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| 17:53.40 | justin | usually green lights are activity lights :-P |
| 17:53.44 | abrotman | PleXuS: so what's wrong with 100Mb ? |
| 17:53.49 | asmarin | libraries dependences |
| 17:53.54 | _ZeuZ_ | asmarin, hmmm .. what's the ALIEN error? |
| 17:53.56 | asmarin | justin: yeah |
| 17:54.05 | tvynr | dutchfish: Thanks for looking that up. :) Is that a couple years old? I see that the SANE support for the new CanoScans isn't as good. |
| 17:54.06 | PleXuS | abrotman, it should be 1000Mbit |
| 17:54.09 | _ZeuZ_ | asmarin, then nothing to do with the hard drive xD |
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| 17:54.15 | abrotman | PleXuS: oh .. maybe mii-tool doesn't work on Gb |
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| 17:54.21 | xand | abrotman: it doesn't |
| 17:54.22 | PleXuS | lol |
| 17:54.22 | asmarin | well.... |
| 17:54.25 | tvynr | dutchfish: I could get a CanoScan LiDE 25, but it only has 1200x2400 dpi. :-P |
| 17:54.28 | dutchfish | tvynr, i have ~1.5 years or so, it weights about 800 grams |
| 17:54.34 | asmarin | how i can monitor hardware raid with debian lenny? |
| 17:54.37 | xand | you use ethtool with gigabit cards |
| 17:54.38 | tvynr | dutchfish: Nice scanner. :) |
| 17:54.42 | abrotman | PleXuS: i'm not sure if there's a tool for Gb to do that |
| 17:54.43 | asmarin | is a lsi megaraid |
| 17:54.44 | abrotman | has no money |
| 17:54.53 | abrotman | asmarin: show us the erorrs |
| 17:54.54 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:54.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:54.57 | dutchfish | tvynr, A4 |
| 17:55.12 | xand | PleXuS: ethtool is what you need to change the speed if it can't manage it automagically |
| 17:55.24 | asmarin | debian lenny is able to show hardware raid info? |
| 17:55.31 | asmarin | isnt a hp |
| 17:55.38 | asmarin | so i can use their specific packages |
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| 17:56.01 | jelly | it depends on the controller in question and availability of specific tools in the distro |
| 17:56.08 | abrotman | asmarin: paste the error in a pastebin |
| 17:56.10 | asmarin | doesnt have |
| 17:56.24 | jelly | do not want |
| 17:56.27 | imagine | Hi, all my repo are not working anymore.. whenever I run apt-get update it says that gulus.sherbrooke.ca doesn't have the repo... |
| 17:56.31 | _ZeuZ_ | then what seems to be your problem? if it got installed, thenuse it asmarin |
| 17:56.35 | abrotman | imagine: get a new mirror |
| 17:56.39 | imagine | I did.. |
| 17:56.40 | imagine | same thing |
| 17:56.41 | jelly | abrotman: INVISIBLE ERROR LOG |
| 17:56.52 | abrotman | jelly: i have lots of those .. and no .. i won't show them to you |
| 17:56.52 | imagine | maybe you have a link with all the mirros |
| 17:56.56 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 17:56.56 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:57.05 | jelly | abrotman: that's what she said! |
| 17:57.06 | imagine | gracais |
| 17:57.30 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:57.30 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:57.55 | asmarin | anza:~/MSM/disk# rpm -i MegaRAID_Storage_Manager-2.07-00.i386.rpm |
| 17:57.55 | asmarin | error: Failed dependencies: |
| 17:57.55 | asmarin | /bin/sh is needed by MegaRAID_Storage_Manager-2.07-00.i386 |
| 17:58.13 | asmarin | :-S WTF |
| 17:58.24 | abrotman | i thought you were using alien ? |
| 17:58.28 | _ZeuZ_ | Then YOU DID HAVE A DEPENDENCIE error |
| 17:58.29 | jelly | blinks |
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| 17:58.35 | asmarin | well |
| 17:58.43 | abrotman | asmarin: show us the alien errors .. not the RPM errors |
| 17:58.44 | _ZeuZ_ | and you did not use ALIEN to install it |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | alien doesn't install |
| 17:58.55 | _ZeuZ_ | actually, to create the deb |
| 17:59.07 | asmarin | yeah i know alien convert package rpm to deb to tgz and so... |
| 17:59.16 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, I know, i just founded it faster to write xD |
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| 17:59.17 | abrotman | asmarin: so show us the alien error(s) |
| 17:59.20 | _ZeuZ_ | then I made the aclaration |
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| 17:59.28 | imagine | abrotman: do you have an example of a default source.list.. deleted mine and can't be btohered redoin it all over again |
| 17:59.29 | _ZeuZ_ | asmarin: run alien and show as the errors |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | install .. convert .. same number of characters :) |
| 17:59.43 | abrotman | !tell imagine about sources.list |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | !tell imagine about mirrors |
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| 17:59.53 | abrotman | imagine: the bot gave you info to create your own |
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| 18:00.08 | _ZeuZ_ | lol @ abrotman last line where 'install' == mid('convert) xD |
| 18:00.14 | jelly | "locate sources.list" isn't bad either |
| 18:00.14 | imagine | abrotman: yeah ty |
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| 18:01.51 | abrotman | jelly: that backfired on me last night .. i hadn't updatedb in like 5 weeks :) |
| 18:02.11 | _ZeuZ_ | xD |
| 18:02.25 | _ZeuZ_ | I made cron run it once a week, and for my ussage, it's damn acceptable :) |
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| 18:02.39 | keith4 | why does the mysql5 package not have a way to connect to the freakin database by default? |
| 18:02.42 | dutchfish | thought updatedb is fired by anacron |
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| 18:03.28 | abrotman | keith4: did you create a DB ? |
| 18:03.33 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 18:03.35 | jelly | keith4: there is no package names "mysql5" |
| 18:03.38 | SerajewelKS | this seek error issue just won't go away |
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| 18:03.57 | keith4 | jelly: i didn't say "the package named mysql5" |
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| 18:04.19 | abrotman | keith4: `mysql` no workie? |
| 18:04.29 | abrotman | this is a sure sign .. use pgsql :) |
| 18:04.32 | thedonvaughn | keith4: come again? i don't understand your question. when i instlal mysql5 from debian, i run thhrough dpkg-config questions... asks root password etc. It's up and running from there. |
| 18:04.37 | SerajewelKS | the SMART value for Seek_Error_Rate is climing by about 15/sec on two of my drives -- hda and sdb |
| 18:04.46 | thedonvaughn | and what abrotman said :) |
| 18:04.46 | SerajewelKS | sda is fine. but the other drives are lagging quite a bit. |
| 18:04.48 | keith4 | thedonvaughn: yah, that would be nice |
| 18:04.51 | keith4 | doesn't happen |
| 18:04.57 | SerajewelKS | climbing* |
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| 18:05.05 | abrotman | keith4: where'd you get your packages from ? |
| 18:05.05 | jelly | keith4: that was a subtle plug to install the package containing the client if you haven't done it already |
| 18:05.06 | efraim | helo |
| 18:05.12 | SerajewelKS | sda and sdb are sata300 drives on the same controller, hda is on the mobo ide controller |
| 18:05.14 | thedonvaughn | keith4: what's _not_ happening. we need more specifics. what'd you install etc etc |
| 18:05.19 | keith4 | I just installed a package that depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 18:05.40 | keith4 | and it tries to use dbconfig-common to configure stuff.... |
| 18:05.57 | efraim | someone help me? |
| 18:06.04 | keith4 | but it fails, because all dbconfig-common does is ask for the mysql 'admin password', which doesn't exist |
| 18:06.08 | SerajewelKS | i poked around in the bios and didn't really see anything there that might help |
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| 18:06.43 | jelly | keith4: what exactly did you try to install? which debian release? |
| 18:06.52 | keith4 | using etch |
| 18:07.08 | dutchfish | !tell efraim about ask |
| 18:07.27 | keith4 | thedonvaughn: this is not specific to one package. *every* time i setup a new etch install, I have to remember to install mysql-server-5.0 first, get it all set up, and *then* install whatever depends on it |
| 18:08.03 | keith4 | i'll bring up a new VM, and do it one step at a time, to make sure I'm not crazy |
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| 18:08.32 | jelly | 'd like to know which packages depend on mysql-server-* explicitely |
| 18:08.50 | efraim | dutchfish: is giving wrong when I install debian (testing) in my notebook |
| 18:09.20 | efraim | the normally stable version installs |
| 18:09.24 | keith4 | jelly: well, they probably depend on "mysql-server" |
| 18:09.37 | thedonvaughn | keith4: well run through dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 - see if you can re-set it up. i've never had that problem. setup mysql on hundreds of debian servers. btw what's not working with the server? u never did say that. Is it running at all? Is it running and you just can't connect? doesn't work is generic |
| 18:09.39 | dutchfish | efraim, more specific? |
| 18:09.58 | keith4 | where did I say "doesn't work"? |
| 18:10.26 | keith4 | it never asks me for a root password, so things that have auto-database-setup scripts will fail |
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| 18:10.37 | keith4 | because I have no root password to connect with |
| 18:10.52 | dutchfish | keith4, you have to setup a root password for local access |
| 18:11.04 | thedonvaughn | keith4: again, run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 . you're also kinda rude. good luck |
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| 18:11.23 | keith4 | thedonvaughn: don't confuse 'rude' with 'frustrated' |
| 18:11.38 | Eulex | keith4, they have the same effect on irc |
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| 18:11.50 | Eulex | sometimes. |
| 18:11.56 | jelly | keith4: this is possibly because things using dbconfig-common might use a remote server, or even postgresql instead. dpkg cannot know what you're going to use, so you have to set it up in advance |
| 18:11.58 | keith4 | thedonvaughn: oh, i understand that I can run dpkg-reconfigure... it's not a question of "can I make this work?" because, I can. but it's irritating |
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| 18:12.16 | dutchfish | keith4, on mysql> SET PASSWORD FOR 'root'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('MyNewPassword'); |
| 18:12.19 | thedonvaughn | keith4: why bitch to us about it? file a bug report then if you know how to fix it. |
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| 18:12.56 | jelly | guesses an irc channel is a good place to rant |
| 18:13.07 | efraim | dutchfish: the installation normally begins ... install the base system and other things ... after an error when the installation tries to read: laptop-detect ... I asked to enter the DVD-1 (which is already in the notebook) and DVD eject or more ... only after they restart .. |
| 18:13.57 | dutchfish | efraim, maybe you better of with net-install or make sure you have the cd/dvd you need ask dpkg about net-install |
| 18:14.06 | keith4 | dutchfish: and how am I supposed to get to the mysql prompt? |
| 18:14.21 | dutchfish | keith4, i give up rtfm |
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| 18:14.43 | _ZeuZ_ | dutchfish, I'd vote you for pressident... |
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| 18:15.08 | efraim | I will try! thank you very much! |
| 18:15.16 | dutchfish | efraim, yw |
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| 18:15.31 | jelly | !tell keith4 -about forgot mysql root password |
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| 18:16.28 | keith4 | jelly: thanks. but I shouldn't have to jump through all of those hoops on a fresh install of mysql-server |
| 18:17.08 | keith4 | the mysql package is broken, in my opinion. I wish more stuff would work with postgres |
| 18:17.08 | jelly | !nopony keith4 |
| 18:17.09 | dpkg | keith4: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 18:17.54 | dutchfish | sighs mysql-server is not a hamburger it needs attention even on deployment |
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| 18:18.43 | jelly | keith4: so far you have provided no explicit reasons for your opinion, no answers to reasonable suggestions about why things are the way they are, no real data, and the attitude doesn't help either. Have a nice day. |
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| 18:19.32 | keith4 | sheesh. usually you guys are much more thick-skinned |
| 18:19.36 | keith4 | must have been a long week |
| 18:20.03 | EstEx | Can anyone point me to a good introductory read about ext2/ext3 filesystems? I'd like to learn how they work. |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | EstEx: the kernel documentation perhaps ? |
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| 18:20.29 | jvm_ | hi. how do i enable user quotas for my system? |
| 18:20.30 | dutchfish | !tell keith4 about fish |
| 18:20.35 | EstEx | abrotman: man pages? |
| 18:20.39 | jelly | EstEx: http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/linux/ext2intro.html (also, google is your friend) |
| 18:21.13 | EstEx | yes google is my friend, but im specifically looking for intro reads. Most of what I'm finding is more advanced |
| 18:21.13 | peleg | #gnome is sleepy, so maybe one of you know - I have a file with mimetype text/x-tex (test.tex), and that mimetype is registered in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml (it was like that as a default). I also have a (new) icon in the same folder where all of my mime icons are - /home/peleg/.icons/Neu/scalable/mimetypes - (few new icons there - like an icon for mimetype application/x-php work well!) |
| 18:21.15 | keith4 | dutchfish: i'm not asking how to fix this particular case. i'm wondering if this is normal behavior |
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| 18:21.37 | dutchfish | keith4, yes its normal for a good reason |
| 18:21.38 | keith4 | to have to abort an install from apt-get to setup mysql first, that is |
| 18:21.38 | peleg | the name of this icon is gnome-mime-text-x-tex.svg (the name of the working icon for the php files is gnome-mime-application-x-php.svg) - so, by every tutorial I have seen, that should work. I have also done the needed "killall nautilus"; still, php files have a brand new icon, and tex file do not. any ideas? |
| 18:21.40 | EstEx | Thank you |
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| 18:22.22 | imagine | I got an issue here, my server is connected to the router, and I can connect it through ssh just fine, but it can't resolve anything from the internet (www.google.com) why ? |
| 18:22.31 | keith4 | when a package is installed that depends on mysql-server... it sets up mysql-server first, correct? |
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| 18:23.17 | keith4 | and by "it", i mean "apt" |
| 18:23.17 | peleg | imagine: could be a blocked port? |
| 18:23.17 | dutchfish | keith4, no |
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| 18:23.17 | blame | imagine: dns problem |
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| 18:23.35 | keith4 | dutchfish: the dependency is considered fullfilled as long as the other package is being installed simultaneously? |
| 18:24.00 | DirtYiC1 | hi |
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| 18:24.14 | peleg | DirtYiC1: Hi ! |
| 18:24.29 | dutchfish | keith4, yes, but config is not done by another package, install of mysql-server alone triggers the initial setup by dpkg |
| 18:24.38 | abrotman | imagine: /etc/resolv.conf have anything useful ? |
| 18:24.57 | imagine | abrotman: that's what I thought, it has nothing in there... |
| 18:25.23 | dutchfish | keith4, wich you can reconfigure by dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:25.25 | DirtYiC1 | i've installed debian from network, it was ok, but after restart it hang at loading ACPI module battery |
| 18:25.55 | abrotman | imagine: nothing at all ? |
| 18:26.03 | keith4 | dutchfish: abrotman: so, is it correct to say then, that... if I'm about to install something that depends on mysql-server, I should abort the installation, install mysql-server first, and then come back and install the original package? |
| 18:26.06 | twobitwork | have you tried acpi=off |
| 18:26.25 | abrotman | keith4: i don't use mysql unless i'm forced to, don't use me as a reference |
| 18:26.26 | efraim | dutchfish: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/ |
| 18:26.27 | imagine | abrotman: at all... it says that resolvconf is the one that controls it.. |
| 18:26.34 | keith4 | abrotman: fair enough |
| 18:26.44 | dutchfish | keith4, i would say that package should consider the mirits of mysql-server and respect that |
| 18:26.55 | keith4 | huh? |
| 18:27.12 | DirtYiC1 | twobiiwork: uhm, no.. i've tried noacpi.. |
| 18:27.17 | abrotman | imagine: try putting something usable in there |
| 18:27.23 | imagine | okay |
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| 18:27.51 | andykelley | after a reboot, amarok crashes with a segfault. how do I find out more information so I can fix it? |
| 18:28.15 | twobitwork | keith4: why would you need to abort the installation and install mysql-server first? |
| 18:28.18 | efraim | bt-cd? |
| 18:28.45 | imagine | abrotman: working.. just hope resolvconf won't be messing with it |
| 18:28.50 | keith4 | twobitwork: because mysql isn't setup yet, when the other packages try to use dbconfig |
| 18:28.52 | abrotman | i'm sure it will |
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| 18:29.00 | twobitwork | keith4: are you getting errors? |
| 18:29.02 | imagine | so do I |
| 18:29.05 | dutchfish | efraim, yes you can download those image by means of jigdo too, or use net-install http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 18:29.17 | imagine | resolvconf -u 192.168.0.1 would work ? |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | dunno .. try it ? |
| 18:29.41 | imagine | I will once the update and mysql is installed |
| 18:30.25 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 18:30.25 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
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| 18:31.06 | efraim | dutchfish: but I want the version testing ... |
| 18:31.30 | keith4 | twobitwork: i guess you could say that. dbconfig asks me to choose a database. I would like to choose mysql, but then it asks me for the mysql root password. The mysql root password doesn't exist yet. dbconfig will fail. the package installation will fail. |
| 18:31.31 | dutchfish | !etch->lenny |
| 18:31.54 | jelly | keith4: so install mysql-server first? |
| 18:31.59 | twobitwork | keith4: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:32.10 | twobitwork | keith4: and are these both debian official packages? |
| 18:32.19 | thedonvaughn | keith4: i just think that most admins would setup and install their DB before attempting to install an application that needs access to that db.. but hey :) |
| 18:32.34 | jelly | keith4: dbconfig-common cannot know whether you're going to use a local server, a remote server, a postgresql server or whatnot. |
| 18:32.35 | keith4 | twobitwork: etch. and this will happen with any package that depends on mysql-server |
| 18:32.47 | twobitwork | jelly: well, if they're both debian packages, then this is probably a bug... the other package should list mysql-server to be installed before it |
| 18:32.59 | keith4 | which might raise the bigger question of... why the hell would any package depend on mysql-server |
| 18:33.03 | dutchfish | efraim, you could first install etch and then upgrade t testing or use this (dont know if its ready enough) http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:33.03 | thedonvaughn | keith4: and what jelly said. 90% of times, applications and the database exist on different physical servers. |
| 18:33.21 | keith4 | sure, but in this case, I'm just testing stuff in a VM |
| 18:33.32 | jelly | twobitwork: it can also use a remote server, no way to define that via dependencies. |
| 18:33.33 | twobitwork | keith4: packages which ask those kinds of questions should have mysql-server as pre-depends, meaning mysql-server would be installed and configured first automatically |
| 18:33.43 | keith4 | yah, that would be ideal |
| 18:33.46 | twobitwork | jelly: well, true I suppose... |
| 18:33.58 | keith4 | i guess i'll send an email, suggesting that |
| 18:34.13 | jelly | Suggests: configured_mysql_server_somewhere |
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| 18:34.38 | keith4 | hmmm, what is "virtual-mysql-server" good for? |
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| 18:34.53 | kriston | Why does my system think it's UTC while booting and then changes over to the real timezone later during boot? My hardware clock is local time, not UTC. How do I fix this? |
| 18:35.18 | Joelito | Hi all, what dock do you recommend that don't use compiz enable? |
| 18:35.27 | Joelito | I'm using debian testing |
| 18:35.28 | efraim | dutchfish: the problem is that I installed a stable and I could not install my video card (x3100) and I think that as testing already operates at x3100 .. |
| 18:35.59 | dutchfish | efraim, you could maybe use backports and not upgrade to testing |
| 18:35.59 | keith4 | it seems the problem here is "Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, mysql-server | virtual-mysql-server", instead of a pre-dependency |
| 18:36.00 | kibibyte | which cd/dvd burner you recommend? (fluxbox) |
| 18:36.04 | thedonvaughn | kriston: /etc/default/rcS i believe can tell if you set to UTC or not |
| 18:36.06 | dutchfish | !tell efraim about bpo |
| 18:36.23 | twobitwork | keith4: well... that might be for exactly the case we've been talking about, for when you want to install a mysql connecting program which depends on mysql-server, but you don't need mysql-server because you're connecting to a remote server |
| 18:36.28 | jelly | keith4: which package are you talking about? |
| 18:36.39 | kibibyte | which cd/dvd burner you recommend? (fluxbox) |
| 18:36.53 | twobitwork | !tell kibibyte about repeat |
| 18:36.55 | _ZeuZ_ | k3b xD |
| 18:36.56 | abrotman | kibibyte: brasero and k3b are both nice enough |
| 18:37.00 | kriston | thedonvaughn: I have that set to UTC=no and it keeps moving me 5 hours ahead during boot, then 5 hours back after it mounts everything. I always get "superblock in future) warnings too. |
| 18:37.07 | efraim | sorry but I do not understand (not speak English) |
| 18:37.10 | abrotman | and another gnome one i can't recall |
| 18:37.23 | keith4 | jelly: at the moment, something that's not in the official repo. but I *know* i've seen this happen before, with other packages |
| 18:37.24 | _ZeuZ_ | gbacker or gnome backer something like that |
| 18:37.25 | kibibyte | but i dont want to install kde or gnome |
| 18:37.25 | efraim | :( |
| 18:37.40 | stew | kibibyte: wodim |
| 18:37.48 | twobitwork | efraim: there is probably a debian channel for your language |
| 18:37.48 | thedonvaughn | keith4: well that is a package-by-package thing. dependencies. you need to write the author of thta application. |
| 18:37.50 | andykelley | the one that comes with gnome that only burns data discs is pretty reliable |
| 18:37.52 | _ZeuZ_ | you don;t need to |
| 18:37.56 | _ZeuZ_ | just install the libraries |
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| 18:37.56 | dutchfish | efraim, i am not english neither (np), backports has newer versions of all kind of packages wich can be used in stable they are ported back from testing |
| 18:38.03 | jelly | keith4: bug the maintainer, then, I guess |
| 18:38.15 | efraim | dutchfish: yes ... but there nobody help! : P |
| 18:38.16 | stew | dutchfish: but it doesn't have packages which support his video card |
| 18:38.20 | kibibyte | stew, does it have GUI ? |
| 18:38.23 | stew | kibibyte: no |
| 18:38.31 | kibibyte | i want with gui |
| 18:38.34 | stew | kibibyte: all the other guis are frontends for wodim |
| 18:38.38 | dutchfish | efraim, stew what can he do stew? |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | efraim: there is a portuguese channel |
| 18:38.47 | keith4 | thedonvaughn: jelly: i will send the guy an email. I wanted to make sure that there is some basis to complaining about their poorly-defined dependencies, before I go make wild accusations |
| 18:38.55 | stew | dutchfish: use a non-free driver |
| 18:39.06 | stew | kibibyte: apt-cache rdepends wodim |
| 18:39.18 | jelly | keith4: "Debian sucks because a third party package has broken dependencies" is somewhat of a wild accusation as well |
| 18:39.19 | twobitwork | what's the language code for portuguese? |
| 18:39.25 | stew | twobitwork: pt |
| 18:39.37 | twobitwork | !pt |
| 18:39.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 18:39.43 | keith4 | jelly: my complaint was really only about mysql ;-) i'd prefer if it would use pgsql anyway |
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| 18:40.07 | efraim | twobitwork: But nobody helps ... |
| 18:40.16 | andykelley | after a reboot, amarok crashes with a segfault. how do I find out more information so I can fix it? |
| 18:40.21 | jelly | keith4: _however_, a Depends should make sure that all depended upon packages are configured before the package in question starts its own configuration |
| 18:40.35 | abrotman | efraim: your english is fairly decent .. you're doing mostly okay here |
| 18:40.38 | stew | keith4: what exactly is the problem? |
| 18:40.43 | kriston | thedonvaughn: Ahh, see it here, another Debian holy war bug at http://bugs.debian.org/346342 |
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| 18:40.57 | keith4 | jelly: yah, that's what I was thinking. but it doesn't seem to be the case |
| 18:40.59 | twobitwork | efraim: yeah, as long as you can understand us and we can understand you it is ok |
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| 18:41.16 | jelly | keith4: if I had to guess, I'd say that package does actual configuration (or tries to contact the mysql-server) in config script, which is a bug |
| 18:41.24 | stew | keith4: i would guess that virtual-mysql-server is a virtual package that it depends on just to give you the option of installing a package made with equivs in order to say "its okay, we're going to talk to a remove mysql server anyway" |
| 18:41.32 | twobitwork | jelly: well, there is a sepperate kind of dependancy for that |
| 18:41.38 | keith4 | stew: it seems that is the case |
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| 18:41.57 | stew | err s/remove/remote/ |
| 18:42.02 | g00se | I'm configuring an interface. What names them actually? eth0, sit0 etc? |
| 18:42.10 | keith4 | is there any way I can record an apt session, to show you guys? |
| 18:42.19 | abrotman | script |
| 18:42.21 | stew | g00se: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 18:42.21 | valdyn | g00se: the kernel first, udev later |
| 18:42.24 | abrotman | kind of |
| 18:42.27 | jelly | efraim: script logfile.txt |
| 18:42.33 | jelly | keith4: script logfile.txt |
| 18:42.55 | g00se | valdyn: but they're not device files are they? |
| 18:43.02 | valdyn | g00se: right |
| 18:43.09 | keith4 | what do I do about the curses dialog boxes? |
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| 18:43.29 | valdyn | keith4: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 18:43.35 | jelly | keith4: they'll be logged as well. you can reconfigure debconf to use readline instead |
| 18:43.37 | abrotman | keith4: change debconf to not use ncurses |
| 18:43.43 | keith4 | ok, will do |
| 18:43.57 | stew | keith4: export DEBCONF_FRONTEND=readline |
| 18:44.20 | g00se | valdyn: so if i do ifconfig -a and the nic driver is loaded and it's not seen, what could (not) be happening? |
| 18:44.33 | jelly | likes dialog stuff in script logs.. makes for a nice surprise when viewing them |
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| 18:45.01 | valdyn | g00se: if you do ifconfig -a and an interface is not shown then there's no driver for it loaded |
| 18:45.31 | g00se | valdyn: but if i lsmod i can see it's (apparently) loaded |
| 18:45.42 | valdyn | g00se: lsmod just shows a driver loaded |
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| 18:46.02 | valdyn | g00se: that does not imply that said driver is behind any interface at all |
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| 18:46.36 | g00se | valdyn: ok so the driver i think is my nic driver might not be? |
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| 18:46.44 | valdyn | g00se: yes |
| 18:47.09 | valdyn | g00se: if your nic driver is not loaded automatically, then you dont have the right driver |
| 18:47.17 | valdyn | g00se: manually loading it does not fix that |
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| 18:47.45 | g00se | valdyn: ok that's interesting as one driver script has /sbin/insmod rt2500.o |
| 18:47.55 | keith4 | ew. why is this script full of ^M chars? |
| 18:48.04 | valdyn | g00se: thats funny |
| 18:48.06 | g00se | valdyn: and i actually only have rt2500.ko afaics |
| 18:48.10 | valdyn | g00se: do you use a 2.4 kernel? |
| 18:48.19 | valdyn | g00se: that script is for 2.4.x kernels |
| 18:48.20 | stew | g00se: what 'driver script' are you talking about? |
| 18:48.23 | g00se | valdyn: no 2.6 |
| 18:48.29 | stew | g00se: no, 2.4 |
| 18:48.42 | stew | g00se: if it were 2.6 it would be .ko not .o |
| 18:48.50 | valdyn | g00se: is that card a pcmcia card? |
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| 18:49.07 | g00se | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:49.23 | valdyn | g00se: thats hotpluggable, you dont need to load it manually |
| 18:49.30 | kibibyte | how to check whichapplicatin use how much memory |
| 18:49.40 | valdyn | g00se: but first prerequisite is that the pcmcia interface driver is loaded |
| 18:49.46 | g00se | stew: afaicr it was /usr/src/modules/rt2500/ifcfg-ra0 |
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| 18:50.13 | g00se | valdyn: i think it is. lspci shows it |
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| 18:50.15 | apt_get | Gi |
| 18:50.16 | valdyn | g00se: that could be yenta_socket |
| 18:50.22 | valdyn | g00se: and dont load it manually |
| 18:50.28 | kibibyte | i have 2 GB memory and its used 98 % something is worng |
| 18:50.29 | stew | kibibyte: ps, top (hit M in top to sort by memory) |
| 18:50.30 | kibibyte | wrong |
| 18:50.39 | valdyn | kibibyte: no, thats perfectly fine |
| 18:50.41 | valdyn | !ram |
| 18:50.41 | dpkg | [ram] (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_ ram! Ask about <free ram> |
| 18:50.54 | stew | kibibyte: how are you seeing how much memory is used? |
| 18:51.03 | g00se | valdyn: it's the rt2500 Ralink driver for an Edimax card |
| 18:51.07 | kibibyte | in top |
| 18:51.27 | stew | kibibyte: how did you calculate it? |
| 18:51.29 | apt_get | When i do a apt-get install multipath-tools-initramfs, some packages are instaled.... but when i do aptitude install multipath-tools-initramfs, then linux-kernel-hearders want be instaled too. |
| 18:51.39 | apt_get | how make aptitude dont install linux-kernel-headers? |
| 18:51.46 | stew | kibibyte: you'd have to take "free" than add to it "buffers" and "cached" |
| 18:51.47 | valdyn | g00se: does "lspci" list your card? |
| 18:51.52 | kibibyte | Cpu(s): 1.2%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 98.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 18:51.53 | kibibyte | Mem: 1945356k total, 1882444k used, 62912k free, 75872k buffers |
| 18:52.07 | g00se | valdyn: yes |
| 18:52.17 | dutchfish | cache is also used mem |
| 18:52.17 | hifi | is dh-make somehow changed or dependant how the source is packed, it didn't copy the source archive (.zip) to .orig.zip and no diff was made |
| 18:52.26 | valdyn | g00se: unplug and plug it back in, tell what dmesg shows |
| 18:52.27 | stew | kibibyte: linux makes use of free memory for buffers and disk cache, but it is memory which can be reclaimed quickly if its needed for real applications |
| 18:52.28 | hifi | when I used -f option |
| 18:52.40 | DirtYiC1 | at aptitude how can i force a version of a package? |
| 18:52.51 | dutchfish | you even can drop the cache to check that by: sync && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 18:52.52 | kibibyte | stew how to free it |
| 18:52.53 | stew | DirtYiC1: aptitude install package=version |
| 18:53.01 | stew | kibibyte: why would you want to? |
| 18:53.06 | g00se | valdyn: ok. i'll plague you later as i can't have the wireless and wired one in at the same time ;-) |
| 18:53.16 | kibibyte | normally it uses 33 % |
| 18:53.21 | kibibyte | now 98 % |
| 18:53.28 | valdyn | g00se: ok, anyway |
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| 18:53.37 | stew | kibibyte: you want it to be using 98% |
| 18:53.40 | valdyn | g00se: dmesg should give us a hint on what to do next |
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| 18:53.51 | stew | kibibyte: if its only using 33%, that would be far from optimal |
| 18:54.17 | DirtYiC1 | and how can i list available versions? because i need dhcp to connect to net, but it's not installed, but apt-get wants to download it.. |
| 18:54.19 | valdyn | kibibyte: you're right, paste a snapshot of "top" on a paste site, when its sorted by memory usage ( M ) |
| 18:54.25 | DeFirence | hi hi, whats the path to the file containing the install sources? |
| 18:54.33 | valdyn | kibibyte: shift-M |
| 18:54.36 | DeFirence | havnt used debian in a while |
| 18:54.55 | keith4 | jelly: it seems to happily install mysql-server-5.0 without asking any questions: http://www.lehigh.edu/~kbe2/temp/logfile.txt |
| 18:55.11 | stew | DeFirence: what exactly do you mean by install sources? you mean .debs? /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:55.25 | kibibyte | valdyn, ok hold on |
| 18:55.28 | DeFirence | that file :) |
| 18:55.30 | dutchfish | DeFirence, you mean repository? |
| 18:55.32 | DeFirence | ty stew |
| 18:55.38 | DeFirence | yeah |
| 18:55.45 | stew | kibibyte: what is the output of "free | sed -n 3p" ? |
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| 18:56.50 | jelly | keith4: debconf-get-selections |grep debconf/priority ? |
| 18:56.54 | DirtYiC1 | ahh, apt-cache |
| 18:57.01 | kibibyte | valdyn, stew http://paste.debian.net/2484/ |
| 18:57.04 | andykelley | I have all lenny software installed, and now I'm switching back to etch, when I apt-get update and then apt-get ugrade, nothing updates. what do I do to change my system over to etch? |
| 18:57.09 | psychodealiq | does somebody use 64bit debian sid? there some troubles w/ 32-bit gtk compat libs i can't understand,,, |
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| 18:57.24 | keith4 | jelly: huh? "debconf-get-selections: command not found" |
| 18:57.35 | stew | kibibyte: 1126192k cached <- means you have lots of available memory |
| 18:57.52 | valdyn | kibibyte: everything is fine, you have less than 1G used by apps and more than 1G used for caching |
| 18:57.58 | dutchfish | !downgrade |
| 18:57.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:58.08 | keith4 | jelly: oh nos... I see what you're getting at. what's the default "don't bother me with questions below this level" setting? |
| 18:58.09 | kibibyte | ok |
| 18:58.32 | g00se | valdyn: yes the Cardbus stuff is Yenta |
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| 18:58.46 | jelly | keith4: medium, I think |
| 18:58.50 | valdyn | kibibyte: you can drop caches , but thats going to hurt performance till caches are full again: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 18:59.06 | kibibyte | ok |
| 18:59.29 | dutchfish | valdyn, yup ;) |
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| 18:59.46 | keith4 | jelly: i have debconf-set-selections, but not "get" |
| 18:59.51 | dutchfish | valdyn, but sync && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches is better so you dont lost stuff |
| 19:00.28 | DeFirence | !ppp |
| 19:00.28 | dpkg | somebody said ppp was even if you don't read that, just MAKE SURE you have ppp_async compiled into your kernelas a module or you're not dialing anywhere bub, or look at http://www.linux.net.nz/pppconfig/details.php?authtype=pap |
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| 19:01.24 | jelly | keith4: oh, it's in debconf-utils, sorry. debconf-show debconf | grep debconf/priority, then |
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| 19:01.55 | keith4 | jelly: UGH it's set to high |
| 19:02.02 | keith4 | sonofabitch! |
| 19:02.28 | keith4 | this is a new VM with a fresh etch install. wtf? |
| 19:02.44 | jelly | keith4: could be an installer misfeature, dunno. I see it's high on a etch I installed recently as well |
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| 19:03.23 | keith4 | so... mysql-server sets up without asking any 'high' priority questions? |
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| 19:04.13 | keith4 | jelly: it looks like the default is 'high' |
| 19:05.27 | jelly | yup. you can choose it as a boot option with the installer I think, should be in the release notes |
| 19:06.12 | gmichele | hello |
| 19:06.12 | jelly | keith4: if you take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.config, it asks for the password with exactly the high setting |
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| 19:06.40 | keith4 | jelly: so it does. then... why didn't I get asked? |
| 19:06.42 | gmichele | anyone can help me with an ISCSI SAN storage? |
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| 19:06.57 | dutchfish | its all about verbosity :) |
| 19:07.05 | jelly | keith4: "high" means "high or lower questions get ignored" :-) |
| 19:07.05 | DeFirence | uhm, ive used pppconfig before to setup pppoe connections, but now i installed it and ran it and it asks for dialup modem settings? |
| 19:07.21 | keith4 | jelly: seems to be a silly default, then |
| 19:07.52 | dutchfish | keith4, it makes perfect sense too me |
| 19:07.54 | jelly | I believe is debconf/priority was set at medium in earlier releases |
| 19:08.13 | keith4 | dutchfish: it makes perfect sense that mysql-server will install without a root password? |
| 19:08.34 | dutchfish | keith4, on default yes |
| 19:08.47 | dutchfish | keith4, please rethink it again |
| 19:09.02 | keith4 | no thanks |
| 19:09.12 | keith4 | it's BROKEN |
| 19:09.17 | valdyn | it shouldnt get started if it has no root password |
| 19:09.22 | dutchfish | keith4, it is not |
| 19:09.23 | jelly | dutchfish: he gets asked for that same password by another package, so the logic breaks |
| 19:09.26 | valdyn | which it probably isnt - i dont know |
| 19:09.32 | keith4 | valdyn: look at the log. it happily starts |
| 19:09.40 | keith4 | and if it has a root password, i can't find it |
| 19:09.51 | valdyn | keith4: and can you access it passwordless? |
| 19:09.52 | DeFirence | anyone know why? |
| 19:10.00 | valdyn | keith4: or do you just mean that no one can access it? |
| 19:10.01 | keith4 | valdyn: nope |
| 19:10.09 | valdyn | keith4: perfectly fine then |
| 19:10.15 | keith4 | actually, i'm not sure |
| 19:10.16 | keith4 | let me verify |
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| 19:10.23 | dutchfish | :) |
| 19:11.00 | jelly | keith4: solution: if you're installing a machine with mysql server, make sure to set debconf/priority to, say, medium |
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| 19:11.35 | valdyn | or configure it after installing, which you would do either way |
| 19:11.43 | keith4 | jelly: that's precisely what I got out of all of this. |
| 19:11.47 | jelly | valdyn: installation breaks! |
| 19:12.14 | keith4 | valdyn: no, the entire point was that I'm installing a package that depends on mysql-server, and is demanding access to mysql-server to set itself up |
| 19:12.29 | valdyn | keith4: i see |
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| 19:12.39 | valdyn | keith4: thats not covered by debian depency system |
| 19:12.50 | valdyn | keith4: so the package shouldnt depend on a running mysql server |
| 19:13.06 | valdyn | keith4: so that 2nd package is broken |
| 19:13.07 | jelly | keith4: that package should probably be rethought to allow unattended installation and reconfiguation later |
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| 19:13.16 | keith4 | valdyn: agreed |
| 19:13.21 | dutchfish | jelly, exactly |
| 19:13.23 | keith4 | but "should" is a dangerous word to toss around |
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| 19:14.13 | dutchfish | mumbles assumption is th emother of all fxx |
| 19:14.18 | DeFirence | does anyone know how to configure a dsl pppoe connection with the new version of pppconfig?? it only lets me make a modem connection???? |
| 19:14.38 | valdyn | DeFirence: the program is called "ppooeconf" |
| 19:14.41 | jelly | keith4: "your package breaks on default etch installation" is perfectly good reason to complain to their maintaine, imho ;-) |
| 19:14.42 | valdyn | DeFirence: the program is called "pppoeconf" |
| 19:14.57 | DeFirence | ok, ill look... |
| 19:15.04 | webPragmatist | anyone mess with PEAR PHP libraries and actually get the mail going on debian? |
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| 19:16.27 | DeFirence | ty valdyn |
| 19:18.31 | Ogedei | is it possible to recompile a single kernel module without configuring and compiling a whole kernel? |
| 19:18.44 | valdyn | Ogedei: not without configuring |
| 19:18.56 | ma3x | is there a tool for debian that i can connect to windows xp remote desktop? |
| 19:19.01 | valdyn | Ogedei: you could read "make help" output after configuring |
| 19:19.35 | valdyn | ma3x: use apt-cache search |
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| 19:19.53 | Ogedei | valdyn: okay, thanks. when the standard kernels work for me, does just okay-ing the default configurating give me a similar set-up? |
| 19:20.06 | valdyn | Ogedei: similar is not enough |
| 19:20.18 | valdyn | Ogedei: you need the same source and the same configuration |
| 19:20.25 | valdyn | Ogedei: both is easy to obtain |
| 19:20.34 | dutchfish | !info rdesktop etch |
| 19:20.48 | valdyn | Ogedei: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config && make oldconfig |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 119 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 19:21.08 | Ogedei | valdyn: thanks! |
| 19:23.00 | Ogedei | one more (probably dumb) question: how do i tell make to build and install just the drivers/video module? |
| 19:23.17 | valdyn | Ogedei: that is why i told you to read the output of "make help" |
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| 19:23.29 | valdyn | Ogedei: but duh: make path/to/module.ko |
| 19:23.43 | Ogedei | valdyn: oh, right, heh |
| 19:23.52 | vin` | !greetings |
| 19:23.52 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
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| 19:34.12 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 19:34.18 | HardDisk_WP | on a generic touchpad |
| 19:34.29 | HardDisk_WP | i tap,and have a leftklick |
| 19:34.40 | HardDisk_WP | i tap with two fingers and i have middle click |
| 19:34.47 | HardDisk_WP | but what do i need for rightclick? |
| 19:35.02 | HardDisk_WP | (NO, it's not apple macbook or other multitouch stuff) |
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| 19:35.19 | riot | hiya |
| 19:35.33 | HardDisk_WP | hi riot - cool hostname |
| 19:35.56 | riot | HardDisk_WP: ;D |
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| 19:36.01 | riot | loves dpkg.. |
| 19:36.09 | HardDisk_WP | a pity i ran out of beer :p |
| 19:36.09 | riot | i don't even need to ask here, anymore :) |
| 19:36.16 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
| 19:36.18 | dutchfish | !bear HardDisk_WP |
| 19:36.18 | dpkg | watches a horny teddybear chase HardDisk_WP |
| 19:36.23 | HardDisk_WP | !beer |
| 19:36.23 | dpkg | methinks beer is liquid gold mate |
| 19:36.27 | HardDisk_WP | Lol |
| 19:36.27 | riot | dutchfish: LOL |
| 19:36.28 | HardDisk_WP | !coffee |
| 19:36.28 | dpkg | i heard coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes |
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| 19:36.39 | riot | !moo |
| 19:36.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 19:36.58 | riot | lol, cow.wav |
| 19:37.01 | HardDisk_WP | rofl |
| 19:37.02 | HardDisk_WP | pwned |
| 19:37.27 | riot | uh, wow.. a gtk-installer on 12 megs. Shiny. |
| 19:37.37 | riot | hope, the stuff isn't ages old.. |
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| 19:38.12 | riot | uh, february.. so sleek. I love Debian 8D |
| 19:38.12 | Z3R0-C00L | hi @ all |
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| 19:39.05 | adama | how to upgrade my kernel |
| 19:39.06 | seb_ | hi all |
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| 19:40.11 | adama | I'm running unstable, kernel is 2.6.18-4-686. Can I upgrade to 2.6.22 or st? how? |
| 19:40.28 | Eulex | adama, you install it. |
| 19:40.39 | Z3R0-C00L | :-) |
| 19:40.55 | adama | ahhhh now I get it :P |
| 19:41.01 | Eulex | you really should know if you run unstable, anyway. |
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| 19:41.17 | stew | adama: 2.6.22 isn't in unstable anymore, you can upgrade to 2.6.24 though |
| 19:41.17 | adama | do I use apt? or get it somewhere else? |
| 19:41.25 | adama | stew:how? |
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| 19:42.15 | stew | adama: install the linux-image-2.6-686 meta-pacakge or install a specific linux-image-2.6.24-____ pacakge |
| 19:42.29 | stew | adama: whatever you do, don't let it remove your currently running kernel |
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| 19:43.07 | stew | actually is there no longer a 2.6.24 in unstable either? |
| 19:43.12 | dutchfish | ducks to hide behind unstable bushes |
| 19:43.21 | adama | I see 2.6.25 |
| 19:44.12 | dutchfish | adama, yes, thats right 2.6.25.2 is curent stable kernel |
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| 19:44.57 | riot | erm.. how do i put a isolinux-iso onto an usb stick? |
| 19:45.09 | adama | ok I'm doin' it |
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| 19:45.43 | riot | oh, dd seems to do the trick :) |
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| 19:46.13 | stew | riot: "cp /path/to/iso /dev/whatever" where /dev/whatever might be something like /dev/sda1 if you are copying it to a parittion on the usb, or something like /dev/sda if you are copying it to the whole stick, but MAKE SURE you know which device is the right one |
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| 19:47.09 | Aspide69 | Ciao a tutti !!!!! |
| 19:47.17 | Aspide69 | hi |
| 19:47.19 | stew | aloha |
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| 19:47.46 | riot | hmhm, using dd i get "missing operating system".. haha |
| 19:47.58 | toad_ | how do i set an account's password to an invalid value *without* breaking ssh logins? i always used to do passwd -l, but that's breaking ssh logins now, i get a message about expired account |
| 19:48.40 | abrotman | toad_: are you using keys for ssh ? |
| 19:48.44 | toad_ | yes |
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| 19:49.02 | toad_ | it doesn't ask me for a password either way |
| 19:49.04 | abrotman | toad_: you could set the account shell to /bin/false perhaps ? |
| 19:49.12 | abrotman | instead of using passwd -l |
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| 19:49.49 | toad_ | abrotman: that will reliably prevent any local password login? but privelidge escalation would be possible from other users as you can specify a shell in su? |
| 19:49.56 | abrotman | wait .. why are you sshing into an unused account ? |
| 19:50.02 | toad_ | it's not unused |
| 19:50.07 | toad_ | but i want to use it remotely |
| 19:50.11 | riot | stew: same result :( |
| 19:50.17 | abrotman | via ssh or for transfering files? |
| 19:50.26 | toad_ | it's a mythtv box with a wireless keyboard, i want to be able to log in remotely and admin |
| 19:50.38 | toad_ | because i don't want to send the root password over the cleartext wireless |
| 19:50.49 | toad_ | via ssh |
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| 19:51.09 | abrotman | but ssh is encrptyped |
| 19:51.20 | toad_ | the LAN is secure, the airwaves aren't |
| 19:51.23 | joseph__ | hi to all :D |
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| 19:51.44 | abrotman | NO HI! |
| 19:51.46 | Eulex | toad_, ssh sends your password encrypted. but anyway, I'd disable password authentication for ssh fully. |
| 19:51.47 | toad_ | what's passwd -d ? does that mean you can login without a password? |
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| 19:52.00 | msshams | how can i install a module without APXS in debian? |
| 19:52.04 | msshams | please help |
| 19:52.10 | beardy | toad_: No.. not what you want. |
| 19:52.14 | stew | toad_: sending a password over ssh is secure, even of clear airwaves |
| 19:52.21 | toad_ | stew: i use pubkeys |
| 19:52.38 | beardy | Sending it over unencrypted wireless keyboards isn't, if you're paranoid. |
| 19:52.42 | toad_ | stew: but when i passwd -l the account, it doesn't let me log in even with a pubkey |
| 19:52.49 | abrotman | stop reading what i type! |
| 19:53.05 | stew | abrotman: happy friday |
| 19:53.17 | abrotman | stew: indeed! |
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| 19:53.28 | abrotman | stew: ask rcox if lugo is dead yet? :) |
| 19:53.40 | beardy | toad_: man passwd, -d deletes the password IIRC, but has nothing to do with logging in without password over ssh |
| 19:53.49 | abrotman | stew: too bad there'll be no riding this weekend .. silly rain |
| 19:53.56 | toad_ | beardy: it says it "makes it empty" |
| 19:54.12 | beardy | toad_: Yes. Deleting something makes the space where it was quite empty. |
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| 19:54.21 | stew | toad_: perhaps you have to turn off UsePAM. i'm not sure though. |
| 19:54.21 | toad_ | beardy: does that mean it sets the password to "" ? which would be bad ... or does it set do more or less the same as passwd -l but not set expiry? |
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| 19:54.49 | w00fa | guys, I just checked to see that I have the nvidia display driver installed (I'm with APT under debian so pkg xserver-xorg-video-nv is installed) and I did, so I followed the documentation on specifying the use of the driver in xorg.conf, replacing "vesa" with "nvidia", now xserver crashes saying it can't find the nvidia driver, it is however found in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.. any idea why xorg can't find |
| 19:54.53 | riot | whoa.. 18 meg boot.img.gz deflate to 250 megs eeek |
| 19:55.05 | toad_ | w00fa: nv not nvidia |
| 19:55.27 | toad_ | w00fa: nvidia is the proprietary driver |
| 19:55.34 | Eulex | toad_, http://wiki.joyent.com/accelerators:kb:ssh:public-key-only |
| 19:55.58 | w00fa | toad_, thx much :) |
| 19:55.59 | beardy | toad_: Hmm, it removes it completely. But the exact effect I'm not entirely sure about, if it means you can login, at all, since when you login, it asks for a password, if there is none, at all, not an empty one.. you can't login, but it's not an option to lock an account so.. |
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| 19:56.17 | beardy | toad_: Not sure what its real inteded use is. Someone sure knows though, lets see. |
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| 19:56.51 | toad_ | what's svcadm ? related to ssh? |
| 19:56.56 | toad_ | err pam? |
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| 19:57.29 | toad_ | hmmm will try this |
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| 20:00.23 | prophile | as much as I hate to sound like somebody new to debian, halp my apt no workeh :( |
| 20:00.39 | prophile | when trying to apt-get update, gzip complains |
| 20:00.59 | prophile | gzip: stdin: Resource temporarily unavailable or gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 20:01.01 | toad_ | lol |
| 20:01.10 | rjent | Could someone be so kind to tell me how to reset mbr on a compact flash of /dev/sdb ? |
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| 20:01.18 | prophile | i'm fairly sure that's not expected behaviour |
| 20:01.21 | toad_ | the solution: passwd -l root , then vi /etc/shadow and remove the password expiry digit! |
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| 20:03.56 | riot | hnf. i'm pissed off. i'll take a 80gb hard disk as installation boot medium now. PFF. Stupid 128 meg usb-stick |
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| 20:05.29 | adama | I wonder if someone has a working xorg.conf for dual-head/xinerama with ati? |
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| 20:06.19 | loulouloulou | how can I extract a tar file into a certain dir |
| 20:06.52 | dondelelcaro | loulouloulou: see the -C option of tar. |
| 20:06.54 | stew | loulouloulou: with -C |
| 20:07.19 | stew | adama: if you show us your non-working config, we could probably help with that |
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| 20:07.48 | stew | riot: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 20:08.01 | twobitwork | prophile: so... you love professionals? (I'm trying to figure out your nick) |
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| 20:09.00 | riot | wahahaha. even a 320 GB platter. Works fine. |
| 20:09.14 | Mazingaro | stew: are you there? |
| 20:09.22 | Mazingaro | stew: do you recall yesterday? |
| 20:09.27 | riot | stew: yeah, i'm doing that, with a 320 gig-#stick |
| 20:09.33 | prophile | twobitwork: i'm just a professional lover |
| 20:09.46 | Mazingaro | stew: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12581 |
| 20:10.02 | loulouloulou | stew, it says use -Acdtrux |
| 20:10.07 | Mazingaro | stew: faulty xorg 7.3 |
| 20:10.34 | twobitwork | prophile: right on :) |
| 20:10.47 | prophile | why, are you interested? |
| 20:10.55 | stew | loulouloulou: i mean use -C in addition to the options you'd use to extract it to pwd, |
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| 20:11.10 | Legality | hi, I get this error when running networking restart |
| 20:11.10 | Legality | ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 20:11.18 | Legality | any ideas where to start looking? |
| 20:11.26 | twobitwork | loulouloulou: as in 'tar zxf mytar.tar.gz -C /my/directory' |
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| 20:11.57 | pand0ra | Hi, How can I run fdisk /dev/hda without error, it says i wont be able to write to it and I have to run a boot parameter to use SATA. |
| 20:12.20 | twobitwork | pand0ra: are you running it as root? |
| 20:12.31 | stew | Mazingaro: i recall yesterday. either you were not acurrately reporting what was happening yesterday, or this bug report doesn't describe your problem. in any case, i'm not able to help you |
| 20:12.33 | twobitwork | or, are you running it while /dev/hda is mounted? |
| 20:12.51 | pand0ra | twobitwork: well i tried backtrax, ubuntu, LFS as root, but not debian as root, I figured i'd get the same error. |
| 20:13.09 | pand0ra | twobitwork: it might be mounted, I dont understand why it would be |
| 20:13.14 | pand0ra | twobitwork: let me check. |
| 20:13.28 | stew | Legality: start looking in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:13.45 | Legality | I have tried but I see nothing weird in there |
| 20:14.36 | Mazingaro | stew: I got similat problem, I told you |
| 20:14.43 | Legality | stew: http://pastebin.org/34955 |
| 20:14.53 | stew | Legality: do you have multiple lo stanzas or multiple occurances of "auto lo"? if you run "ifdown lo" before "/etc/init.d/networking restart" does the problem go away? |
| 20:14.58 | adama | http://rafb.net/p/Ev7e3M99.html result: http://rafb.net/p/1ou26x73.html |
| 20:14.59 | Mazingaro | stew: 1280x768 60Hz insted of 720 x 400 and no dri |
| 20:15.05 | adama | it was working last week |
| 20:15.12 | riot | GEEZ. IBM 60-series Tablet-Thinpads' nics are _NOT_ supported by the debian installer. Catastrophic fail! |
| 20:15.13 | Mazingaro | stew: using PreferredMode solve all |
| 20:15.36 | twobitwork | riot: what is the chipset |
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| 20:15.48 | Legality | stew: well actually after ifdown lo it doesn't complain anything anymore |
| 20:15.54 | Legality | but network is still down |
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| 20:16.40 | riot | twobitwork: centrino! its an intel 82573L Gigabit ethernet adapter |
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| 20:18.36 | stew | Mazingaro: except sometimes you did get the resolution you wanted. and then sometimes you didn't. you got different results for no reason when using the same config (at least according to you) |
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| 20:19.18 | stew | adama: oh, it is segfaulting? did you check the bts? |
| 20:19.25 | pand0ra | "You will not be able to write the partition table. Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)...." I get when i run fdisk /dev/hda |
| 20:19.26 | stew | adama: is there some configuration that makes it work? |
| 20:19.31 | twobitwork | riot: this site says it works out of the box on debian: http://frapzzt.de/linux:x60 |
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| 20:20.44 | riot | twobitwork: well, i tried the current hd-media boot.img.gz - which failed |
| 20:20.47 | twobitwork | pand0ra: makes me think its because the drive is mounted |
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| 20:21.01 | pand0ra | twobitwork: i just did umount /dev/hda and it said not mounted. |
| 20:21.05 | wolgo | Does anyone have a recommendation for a decent ISP in san francisco? |
| 20:21.07 | twobitwork | riot: I don't know what "hd-media boot.img.gz" means... |
| 20:21.09 | adama | stew: I don't know what it's doing or what the bts is, it will work with a very old xorg.conf with clone-mode |
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| 20:21.24 | twobitwork | !tell adama about bts |
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| 20:21.36 | wolgo | !tell wolgo about bts |
| 20:21.49 | twobitwork | wolgo: you can /msg the bot too |
| 20:22.35 | wolgo | I hate comcast |
| 20:22.39 | twobitwork | also, this isn't really the place to be asking about ISP's :P |
| 20:22.41 | riot | twobitwork: /debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ << this one |
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| 20:24.12 | wolgo | Okay |
| 20:24.19 | twobitwork | ok, I still don't know what its for... but anyways, it seems to work for that other guy, maybe if you were more specific about what error's you're getting, etc, I could be more specific with my answers :) |
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| 20:24.54 | Mazingaro | stew: the problem was that using xrandr and restating X11 worked, but after a reboot the problem was here again |
| 20:25.29 | Eulex | Mazingaro, that's how it's supposed to work. stuff set with xrandr is not permanent. |
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| 20:25.51 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:25.57 | eggy_ | Hello I run debian lenny, and I have the line `deb http://ftp.tiscali.nl/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free` in /etc/apt/sources.list and did `apt-get update`. Why does `apt-cache search -n flashplugin` return nothing? |
| 20:26.30 | Mazingaro | Eulex: yes, but it worked after a kdm restart |
| 20:26.40 | Mazingaro | Eulex: but not for a reboot |
| 20:26.52 | Eulex | eggy_, because it's not in lenny? |
| 20:27.03 | Eulex | Mazingaro, guess X didn't restart then |
| 20:27.31 | eggy_ | Eulex: its only in sid? |
| 20:27.38 | Eulex | currently, yes |
| 20:27.45 | eggy_ | ok thanks |
| 20:27.50 | eggy_ | is upgrading to sid |
| 20:27.56 | Eulex | emh |
| 20:28.10 | Eulex | the flashplugin-nonfree package _from sid_ works well on lenny (at least here) |
| 20:28.24 | twobitwork | eggy_: don't do that |
| 20:28.39 | eggy_ | Eulex: ok maybe I'll do that too |
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| 20:28.48 | eggy_ | twobitwork: whats wrong with sid? I think its pretty stable |
| 20:28.54 | kgod | Where in GNOME/gtk do I set the default font size? Looking through gconf-editor ATM, no joy. |
| 20:29.04 | twobitwork | eggy_: it's in backports |
| 20:29.21 | twobitwork | eggy_: why use sid when its in backports? |
| 20:29.23 | Eulex | twobitwork, for etch, yes. but for lenny? |
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| 20:29.47 | eggy_ | twobitwork: ok. Im not really familiar with backports. How do I enable it? |
| 20:30.07 | streuner | kgod: look at gtk-chtheme |
| 20:30.16 | eggy_ | Add the same line, substituting lenny for backports? |
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| 20:30.21 | Legality | what does pointopoint mean in interfaces? |
| 20:30.27 | Eulex | no such thing as lenny backports, but well, the flashplugin-nonfree package from etch-backports might work well on lenny too. |
| 20:30.28 | twobitwork | !backports |
| 20:30.28 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 20:30.56 | Legality | any ideas on the pointopoint? Or even better if someone knew the eqvivalent in centos :) |
| 20:31.16 | twobitwork | Legality: you're running centos? |
| 20:31.21 | adama | how can I find my problem in this bts thing? I have no idea what the problem is |
| 20:31.23 | Legality | debian and centos |
| 20:31.30 | Mazingaro | Eulex: you simply did not understand |
| 20:31.34 | Legality | I need to change my centos configs as I did with debian |
| 20:31.43 | Legality | in debian i needed to add the pointopoint to interfaces |
| 20:31.50 | eggy_ | twobitwork: ok thanks |
| 20:31.52 | Legality | i just dont know what it is so i dont know how to add it centos |
| 20:32.03 | Mazingaro | Eulex: 1) boot -> X not working -> xrandr -> X working -> X restart -> working -> reboot -> X not working |
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| 20:32.52 | kgod | streuner: Danke |
| 20:32.55 | Eulex | Mazingaro, settings set with xrandr do only last the current X session. that's how they work. they are not saved. |
| 20:33.18 | Mazingaro | Eulex: session ends also with X restart |
| 20:33.25 | Eulex | yes |
| 20:33.28 | twobitwork | Mazingaro: you need to modify the xorg.conf file |
| 20:33.58 | Mazingaro | twobitwork: I did it too, until now when I put PreferredMode in Monitor section |
| 20:34.37 | Mazingaro | twobitwork: yesterday was impossible to have working config even using Modeline configs |
| 20:34.57 | stew | Mazingaro: that's not what you said yesterday |
| 20:36.55 | keith4 | for anyone who was around earlier... on a stock etch install "apt-get install mysql-server" will result in ZERO questions asked, and a running mysql db with NO ROOT PASSWORD, albeit only listening on localhost |
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| 20:37.19 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 20:37.34 | riot | gzzz. installing without cdrom and large enough usb-stick is a pain in the arse |
| 20:37.54 | kgod | Um, how do I reinstall a package *and* override conffiles |
| 20:38.59 | keith4 | jelly: for the record... mysql-server is broken on clean etch install, in my opinion |
| 20:39.17 | stew | keith4: how so? |
| 20:39.28 | keith4 | it |
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| 20:39.42 | keith4 | it installs without asking any questions, and results in mysql running with no root password |
| 20:39.46 | keith4 | as I mentioned above |
| 20:39.47 | stew | riot: but 64mb is large enough |
| 20:39.52 | stew | keith4: and what is the harm in that? |
| 20:40.51 | keith4 | it would be nice if it as least gave you the option of setting a root password during installation |
| 20:41.04 | riot | stew: apparently NOT |
| 20:41.09 | stew | riot: why not? |
| 20:41.20 | stew | riot: you'd have to ues the businesscard iso |
| 20:41.29 | kgod | needs to restore some nuked config files... |
| 20:41.29 | stew | riot: if you want to use the netinst iso you'd need a 256 i guess |
| 20:41.30 | riot | stew: i've tried dozens of images/isos etc now. Most won't boot, the few that do do not support my NIC |
| 20:41.58 | riot | stew: i've connected a 320 GiB hdd now. Yet, the full image won't boot - can't find the kernel |
| 20:42.01 | keith4 | riot: time to pxe boot |
| 20:42.07 | riot | keith4: AUGH! |
| 20:42.07 | stew | riot: well if any boot, and don't support your nick, none of them will, since all of them use the same hd-media kernel |
| 20:43.09 | stew | keith4: this has been subsequently changed, btw |
| 20:43.17 | stew | keith4: (iirc) |
| 20:43.31 | keith4 | stew: yes, i think in lenny it's fixed |
| 20:43.39 | keith4 | it definitely asks in sid, too |
| 20:44.20 | stew | riot: which bootloader are you using on the hard drive? |
| 20:44.37 | keith4 | what's that factoid for "i forgot the mysql root password" again? |
| 20:44.50 | riot | stew: i just tried syslinux according to the debian install manual |
| 20:44.55 | stew | keith4: /msg dpkg listkeys mysql |
| 20:45.10 | keith4 | thanks stew |
| 20:45.12 | stew | riot: and syslinux boots but doesn't find the kernel? |
| 20:45.15 | riot | yep |
| 20:45.18 | g00se | valdyn: Remember the wireless driver. dmesg at http://pastebin.com/d5dff65c4 line 214 is the only sign of the wireless card - is that good enough? |
| 20:45.21 | kgod | mc to the rescue.... |
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| 20:46.16 | riot | stew: hmm, i just plugged the hdd back into my workstation - its all screwed up.. wtf |
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| 20:53.00 | DeFirence | does anyone ever talk in #iptables? :< |
| 20:53.01 | twobitwork | kgod: aptitude remove --purge <pkg> && aptitude install <pkg> |
| 20:53.24 | riot | fail over fail - the notebook doesn't seem to want debian :(( |
| 20:53.40 | kgod | twobitwork: It's a library. That's a bit harsh. |
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| 20:53.51 | kgod | twobitwork: I opened the deb w/ mc and copied the config files back out. |
| 20:54.00 | riot | it even destroys the whole partition table upon trying to boot via syslinux!! |
| 20:54.13 | twobitwork | kgod: heh, it was the only way I could think of :P |
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| 20:55.26 | Shadow_mil | who is aurel32? |
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| 20:56.10 | kgod | Shadow_mil: /whois aurel32 |
| 20:56.21 | kgod | Shadow_mil: ... and why do you ask? |
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| 20:57.49 | twobitwork | Shadow_mil: that's a good question.... |
| 20:58.07 | Shadow_mil | I compiled a program |
| 20:58.17 | Shadow_mil | and used less on its source code |
| 20:59.06 | Shadow_mil | and I see strings like: /home/aurel32/tmp/glibc-2.3.6.ds1/build-tree/glibc-2.3.6/csc /home/aurel32/tmp/glibc-2.3.6.ds1/build-tree/glibc-2.3.6/cs |
| 20:59.11 | kgod | KDE: How do I get readline / emacs keybindings? kcontrol somewhere? |
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| 21:00.17 | d4rky-pl | who the hell put kde4 packages as kde3.5.9?! |
| 21:00.41 | d4rky-pl | cleaning this mess will take ma whole night |
| 21:00.56 | RvGaTe | using apt, how can i make sure certain packages are installed using a different repo then the ones in sources.lst.... |
| 21:01.09 | chops | d4rky-pl: Which packages? |
| 21:02.28 | d4rky-pl | chops: 3.5.9.dfsg.1-2+b1 |
| 21:02.52 | d4rky-pl | dunno if it's main debian repository problem but they all have dependencies of KDE4 ones |
| 21:03.09 | Shadow_mil | test/test1: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, not stripped |
| 21:03.09 | Shadow_mil | chuck@chuck-debian:~$ cat test/test1 | grep -c '/home/aurel32/' |
| 21:03.09 | Shadow_mil | 3 |
| 21:03.13 | chops | d4rky-pl: Which package? |
| 21:03.21 | d4rky-pl | chops: ...all of them? |
| 21:03.26 | d4rky-pl | konqueror, kdebase, etc |
| 21:03.45 | DeFirence | can anyone here help me write an iptables line? |
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| 21:05.38 | chops | d4rky-pl: I don't see any kde 4 dependency on http://packages.debian.org/sid/konqueror. I know that some KDE4 libraries are going into sid (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html). What KDE4 package does konqueror depend on? |
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| 21:06.56 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: what version of the libc6 package do you have? |
| 21:07.19 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, how do I find out? |
| 21:07.26 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:07.40 | Shadow_mil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.50 | esaym | what do I need to do for the system to update it's hostname after editing /etc/hostname? |
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| 21:08.32 | Shadow_mil | esaym, nothing, it should cache it self |
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| 21:08.44 | Shadow_mil | esaym, you might need to logout, or reset your connection though |
| 21:09.26 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: how did you compile the program? Any libraries or compiler options? |
| 21:09.31 | esaym | hmm |
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| 21:10.14 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, gcc test.c -o test |
| 21:10.25 | titii | Can someone check my alowed ports on my server? Thank you |
| 21:11.05 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: Probably your libc was built on one of Aurélian Jarno's build daemons |
| 21:11.05 | d4rky-pl | chops: http://img.wklej.org/images/81994mess.png - this will explain faster |
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| 21:11.25 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: my etch machine has /build/buildd/glibc-2.3.6.ds1/build-tree/i386-l |
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| 21:11.45 | titii | please check my allowed ports 85.216.249.101. thank you! |
| 21:11.53 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: err, /build/buildd/glibc-2.3.6.ds1/build-tree/i386-libc/csu/ instead (version 2.3.6.ds1-13etch4) |
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| 21:12.08 | benjamindees | anyone know how to disable middle-click on synaptics touchpads? |
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| 21:12.41 | Eulex | d4rky-pl, http://packages.debian.org/sid/konqueror |
| 21:12.48 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, ok... Its kinda nerve racking programs I compile has this guy's home directory in them |
| 21:12.49 | Deezire | Are there any free mail relayers out there? Need a "hidden" emailadress that forwards for me and lasts longer than 30 days |
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| 21:13.26 | d4rky-pl | Eulex: any idea what might happen here? |
| 21:13.45 | Eulex | d4rky-pl, you're using packages from experimental? |
| 21:14.00 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: it's just the directory that libc was compiled in. If you strip your binary it won't be there anymore |
| 21:14.04 | d4rky-pl | I only have repo, I wasn't installing them |
| 21:14.04 | Eulex | d4rky-pl, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/konqueror |
| 21:14.25 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, how do I strip it down? |
| 21:14.26 | d4rky-pl | Eulex: look at screenshot, 3.5.9 is selected |
| 21:14.35 | Eulex | d4rky-pl, did you pin experimental to a lower priority than unstable? |
| 21:14.39 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: strip binaryname |
| 21:14.48 | d4rky-pl | well... :x |
| 21:14.56 | d4rky-pl | how? (whoops) |
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| 21:15.15 | d4rky-pl | I guess MEPIS upgrades fscked something with my apt configuration, that'll explain it |
| 21:15.16 | chops | d4rky-pl: I see both MEPIS and experimental packages in that list. Looks like you broke it and you get to keep both the pieces :-) |
| 21:15.38 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, wow... does that make it run any faster? |
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| 21:15.43 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: or maybe strip --strip-unneeded binaryname |
| 21:15.58 | d4rky-pl | chops: now I see what's the problem: MEPIS added /etc/apt/apt.conf file with Default-Release set to mepis |
| 21:16.02 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, strip worked |
| 21:16.06 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: it makes the binary smaller, so it will be slightly faster the first time you run it (less to load into RAM) |
| 21:16.06 | chops | d4rky-pl: And etch, and lenny, and sid... you like having available package versions, don't you? :-/ |
| 21:16.11 | d4rky-pl | I fixed this, sorry for my nervous reaction at the beggining |
| 21:16.12 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: after that, it won't make a difference |
| 21:16.12 | Eulex | !mepis |
| 21:16.12 | dpkg | well, mepis is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis on irc.freenode.net and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 21:16.32 | d4rky-pl | chops: you never know what you might need |
| 21:17.13 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: though, actually, it might not make even that much of a difference, since presumably ld.so is smart enough not to load unneeded symbol tables into RAM |
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| 21:17.57 | d4rky-pl | Eulex: I'm checking if there's something interesting inside |
| 21:18.26 | extor | What is the linux way of grabbing a few JPGs and importing them into one combined PDF file? Will openoffice do that or do I need another app? |
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| 21:21.27 | benjamindees | extor, openoffice will do that; but latex will too :) |
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| 21:21.59 | extor | hmmm...latex has a sexy GUI? |
| 21:22.49 | \amethyst | extor: no. A sexy GUI wouldn't really be the Linux way :) |
| 21:22.54 | d4rky-pl | nothing interesing in MEPIS |
| 21:23.03 | benjamindees | does latex sound sexy or what? |
| 21:23.10 | d4rky-pl | few minor add-ons, nothing more |
| 21:23.28 | klhrevolution | ok, so I changed my login shell to dash and now when I login it states dash no such file or directory and wants me to login again |
| 21:23.39 | extor | for desktop work sexy guis are the gnu way |
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| 21:24.26 | \amethyst | extor: I would use something like this: for x in *.jpg; do convert "$x" "$x".pdf; done; pdfjoin --outfile joined.pdf *.jpg.pdf |
| 21:24.57 | extor | Ok I would rather do it in openoffice..do I just need to install writer? |
| 21:24.58 | \amethyst | assuming you want them joined in alphabetic order according to filename |
| 21:25.45 | craigevil | klhrevolution: did you do dpkg-reconfigure dash |
| 21:26.05 | klhrevolution | craigevil: no I did not. |
| 21:26.09 | \amethyst | oowriter (package openoffice.org-writer) can do it, yes. It's a lot of manual work, though |
| 21:26.44 | craigevil | run that so /bin/sh points to dash instead of bash |
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| 21:26.59 | klhrevolution | done |
| 21:27.04 | klhrevolution | thanks |
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| 21:27.20 | extor | amethists if you just have a half dozen pages it's not that bad |
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| 21:29.53 | doublehp | in a bash script, can I overwrite $1 ? |
| 21:30.01 | \amethyst | doublehp: no |
| 21:30.18 | \amethyst | doublehp: you can set all the command-line arguments, but you can't change a particular one |
| 21:30.47 | doublehp | :/ |
| 21:30.50 | \amethyst | doublehp: maybe set -- newarg1 "${@:2}" will do what you want |
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| 21:31.05 | doublehp | no :) |
| 21:31.23 | \amethyst | oh, you want to hide something from ps? |
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| 21:33.13 | xuser | can flash files be edited in linux? |
| 21:33.40 | doublehp | xuser: depends ... |
| 21:34.06 | doublehp | xuser: can create some various ways |
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| 21:34.48 | xuser | doublehp: depends on the type of the file? |
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| 21:35.12 | doublehp | \amethyst: no, I want to conditionaly alter $1, in a wrapper, before passing it to the wrapped app. what I did is rather simple : if ... the one="my needs" else one=$1 . Seems to work :) |
| 21:35.38 | doublehp | xuser: what you want to do: create, or alter existing. |
| 21:36.09 | \amethyst | doublehp: is the if condition based on whether $1 is set, by any chance? |
| 21:36.28 | xuser | doublehp: alter |
| 21:36.47 | doublehp | \amethyst: no, on it's value :) more tricky :) |
| 21:37.04 | grand_grunt | Hum |
| 21:37.26 | grand_grunt | I've done somenthing very dumb. "rm /dev/null" as root. Will that cause troubles? |
| 21:37.53 | chops | grand_grunt: Yes |
| 21:38.28 | grand_grunt | chops: no way to re-create it? If I reboot it will be back, no? |
| 21:38.29 | chops | grand_grunt: mknod /dev/null c 1 3 |
| 21:38.34 | grand_grunt | chops: thx |
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| 21:38.42 | chops | grand_grunt: If you're using udev I think it comes back on boot; not sure |
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| 21:39.09 | d4rky-pl | are ubuntu repositiories compatible with Debian? :P |
| 21:39.34 | chops | d4rky-pl: You're not happy with the brokenness of etch+lenny+sid+experimental+mepis, you want +ubuntu too? :-/ |
| 21:39.39 | chops | d4rky-pl: The answer is "no" |
| 21:39.47 | d4rky-pl | chops: yes \o/ |
| 21:39.54 | d4rky-pl | debian is too ...working :P |
| 21:40.03 | d4rky-pl | also I removed mepis - it sucked |
| 21:40.22 | chops | d4rky-pl: I learned a lot about Linux doing that kind of botchery with some RPM-based distributions on my first Linux machine, so I can sort of understand what you're after |
| 21:40.29 | vvd | alsa-lib would be libclalsadrv1 in debian? |
| 21:40.42 | d4rky-pl | grand_grunt: don't worry, it's not that dumb. I was fixing audio by adding chmod 777 /dev/dsp to .bashrc instead of simply add myself to audio group :D (I was n00b then, old good times) |
| 21:40.49 | chops | d4rky-pl: But then I didn't come into #mandrake raising hell about how some idiot had broken my computer and how upset I was :-/ |
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| 21:41.06 | d4rky-pl | chops: yeah, sorry about that |
| 21:41.19 | d4rky-pl | chops: I didn't know that MEPIS is **THAT** stupid |
| 21:41.26 | d4rky-pl | you know what that little son of satan did? |
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| 21:41.39 | d4rky-pl | when I removed mepis-* packages, it made my /etc look like a swiss cheese |
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| 21:41.49 | acehigh | how do I fix apt-get if it wont grab any more packages? |
| 21:41.53 | d4rky-pl | I'm glad I have a working copy of my system on different partition |
| 21:42.40 | klhrevolution | craigsevil: I give up: what is that command again so I can change back to bash ? |
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| 21:43.06 | stew | acehigh: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:43.14 | acehigh | nvm figured it out |
| 21:43.14 | chops | klhrevolution: chsh |
| 21:43.22 | acehigh | preferances was breaking it |
| 21:43.58 | \amethyst | klhrevolution: what does getent passwd $(id -u) say (in particular, the part after the last : ) |
| 21:45.02 | chops | d4rky-pl: That's not stupidity. Different distributions are not designed to work together like that. You're complaining about the fact that you put horse food in your gas tank and it didn't work because horses and cars both take you places and so you want them to work the same. |
| 21:46.11 | d4rky-pl | chops: maybe you're right.. sort of |
| 21:46.20 | d4rky-pl | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. |
| 21:46.24 | d4rky-pl | what did I win? :D |
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| 21:48.41 | riot | wow, this is the most troublemaking computer i've ever tried installing debian onto |
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| 21:49.06 | riot | it even fscked up the original harddrive-boot-stuff, though _I_ didn't touch it |
| 21:49.06 | d4rky-pl | riot: you should meet my machina, you'd be suprised |
| 21:49.27 | JyZyXEL | is there any projects like seti@home but for more sane purpose |
| 21:49.32 | Caelum | is there a separate LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var for 32bit libs on an amd64 host? |
| 21:49.37 | debian19 | after i moved my debian setup to another hdd with "cp -a" i experience a strange problem. my normal users cant startx. they get a permission denied. root can startx but as soon as any application is started the computer stalls completely. any tips? |
| 21:49.42 | d4rky-pl | I've even crashed installation of Windows 95 one time |
| 21:49.46 | JyZyXEL | don't like the idea of spending CPU time for useless bullshit ufo crap |
| 21:49.46 | d4rky-pl | it BSODed |
| 21:49.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's not hard |
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| 21:50.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | I BSOD'd Vista twice during an install |
| 21:50.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | It couldn't wait to crash on my box, it didn't even wait for the install to finish. |
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| 21:52.48 | Caelum | I'm setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to one directory, but it's still picking it up somewhere else... |
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| 21:53.01 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects |
| 21:53.19 | d4rky-pl | Blast_Hardcheese: nice, but I crashed BIOS |
| 21:53.32 | Caelum | wtf |
| 21:54.00 | d4rky-pl | my father bought himself a new PC and gave me his old one. I was having a fun for 15 minutes, then motherboard fscked up because of stress. I rebooted and BIOS crashed during memtest |
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| 21:54.17 | d4rky-pl | this 'new PC' was 386 because it was somewhere in 95-96 |
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| 21:54.42 | Caelum | ahh, symlinks |
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| 21:54.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | d4rky-pl: I read that you crashed Win95 |
| 21:55.06 | ma3x | why if my wireless router resets, then iwl3945 won't connect automatically again (sometimes) ? |
| 21:55.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do you crash a BIOS unless it was damaged? |
| 21:55.23 | ma3x | is there need for some 'autoscanning' option to be turned on? |
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| 21:55.42 | debian19 | after i moved my debian setup to another hdd with "cp -a" i experience a strange problem. my normal users cant startx. they get a permission denied. root can startx but as soon as any application is started the computer stalls completely. any tips? |
| 21:56.20 | jim | Blast_Hardcheese you should make sure your hardware is solid, usually running something like memtest86 will tell you if you have problems with your motherboard, ram, video or other cards attached |
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| 21:56.49 | jim | debian19: is it still on the first hd? |
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| 21:56.53 | d4rky-pl | Blast_Hardcheese: I've killed motherboard (I guess, I was too young to remember everything) |
| 21:57.08 | klhrevolution | w00t |
| 21:57.08 | d4rky-pl | I know that BIOS have crashed |
| 21:57.18 | klhrevolution | ty for the help |
| 21:57.25 | d4rky-pl | it was printing less and less chars after every reboot |
| 21:57.26 | acehigh | brb |
| 21:57.30 | d4rky-pl | and then there was only this blinking _ |
| 21:57.52 | stew | d4rky-pl: what does "grep allowed /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" return? |
| 21:58.09 | stew | d4rky-pl: nevermind, not you |
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| 21:58.17 | stew | and that was the wrong question anyway |
| 21:58.22 | debian19 | jim, the boot process is not a problem. only X11 seems to have a permission problem |
| 21:58.35 | stew | debian19: what does "grep allowed /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config" return? |
| 21:58.38 | jim | wasn't my question |
| 21:58.59 | debian19 | ah, checking Xwrapper.config, one moment |
| 21:59.29 | debian19 | console users are allowed |
| 21:59.53 | stew | debian19: yeah that is fine, and i think i misread your question anyway. what does "ls -l $(which startx)" return? |
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| 22:00.06 | debian19 | i am not on that system |
| 22:00.28 | stew | debian19: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/startx" return? |
| 22:00.40 | debian19 | point is: the system was running fine. i copied it via "cp -a" to another place and it has this permission problem |
| 22:00.40 | jim | so cp -a probably didn't do a full job of making sure that all files copied had the original ownerships, dates and permissions... when I do a similar copy, I use tar streams... never failed in many years |
| 22:01.03 | stew | debian19: what are the current permissions on /usr/bin/startx? |
| 22:01.24 | chops | jim: cp -a is supposed to do that; I've used it assuming that it would make a faithful copy of the source files exactly |
| 22:01.32 | debian19 | world read and execute |
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| 22:02.09 | stew | debian19: what about /usr/bin/X ? |
| 22:02.30 | debian19 | the same |
| 22:02.38 | stew | debian19: what are the full permissions? |
| 22:02.54 | debian19 | -rwsr-sr-x |
| 22:03.07 | jim | setugid |
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| 22:03.25 | stew | debian19: is/was the partition mounted with nosetuid ? |
| 22:03.34 | debian19 | no, never |
| 22:03.48 | jim | you're sure it's not now? |
| 22:03.58 | klhrevolution | will my .bash_profile be read even though I'm using dash shell ? |
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| 22:04.02 | debian19 | it was mounted with "defaults" before and after |
| 22:04.24 | stew | debian19: can you strace it? |
| 22:04.42 | debian19 | not really |
| 22:05.57 | stew | debian19: why not? |
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| 22:06.28 | jim | debian19: I can see you'd rather be the one to solve this problem... you're welcome of course to do that... but you might consider giving complete answers to questions when you're asked... otherwise helpers tend to feel like they're pulling your teeth to get answers out of you |
| 22:06.31 | debian19 | because i am not on that system as i said before |
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| 22:07.07 | debian19 | jim, and please dont lecture me like a school boy. i dont appreciate that |
| 22:07.10 | stew | debian19: what do you mean by that? are you booted from some other install? |
| 22:07.26 | debian19 | stew, yes i run fedora because that simply works |
| 22:07.39 | stew | debian19: but you have the other mounted? can you try it with chroot then? |
| 22:07.57 | jim | debian19: I guess you're in good hands... I'm out of this |
| 22:08.04 | stew | debian19: just ignore jim |
| 22:08.42 | debian19 | stew, i cant just startx in a chroot, that will open up a lot of other problems |
| 22:08.56 | stew | debian19: like what? |
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| 22:09.26 | debian19 | like crashing my current session because i run a different kernel, different drivers |
| 22:10.10 | stew | debian19: i don't see why it would crash your current session. or would have anything to do with your current session. especially if you are going to get a permission denied error instead of actually starting x |
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| 22:11.20 | debian19 | ok, this is not leading anywhere. i am sorry for wasting your time |
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| 22:18.55 | airstrike | hello |
| 22:19.59 | riot | stew: i finally got a 1gb mmc-card to boot. AND i found out why the NIC didn't work. It needs a kernel > 2.6.16 .. do you know any install-medium which fulfills this? |
| 22:20.11 | jberg | debian installation on a dell laptop should go smoothly, yes? |
| 22:20.28 | stew | riot: yes any current debian installer would have 2.6.18 |
| 22:20.45 | stew | riot: if you need newer than 2.6.18: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:20.59 | riot | stew: erm, lol. I tried the 2.6 version of my netboot (which is 2.6.8-4) and it seems to work already |
| 22:21.43 | stew | riot: 2.6.8 would be from sarge which is the previous version of stable, released in 2005, which stopped being supported last month |
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| 22:23.22 | stew | riot: if you are using an installer with a 2.6.8 kernel, somehting is wrong, you want to install etch, the current version of debian stable, not the no longer supported version |
| 22:23.39 | grand_grunt | "od /dev/random -x" loool.. Linux is not only a free choice, it's also funny ^^ |
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| 22:25.07 | jim | riot: what does cat /etc/debian_version and uname -r say? |
| 22:25.13 | d4rky-pl | I gotta go, it's 00:25 CEST |
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| 22:25.15 | d4rky-pl | see ya |
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| 22:25.57 | benjamindees | jim, I don't think it's installed yet |
| 22:26.09 | jim | oh, ooops, so I see |
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| 22:27.19 | ryoohki | what is the debian equivelent to kickstart? |
| 22:27.32 | jim | what's kickstart? |
| 22:27.39 | streuner | hehe |
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| 22:28.12 | kibibyte | hi |
| 22:28.27 | streuner | ryoohki: best describe what kickstart do |
| 22:28.30 | benjamindees | I think it's 'debstart' |
| 22:28.54 | stew | ryoohki: fai or preseed |
| 22:29.18 | stew | ryoohki: /msg dpkg fai ; /msg dpkg preseed |
| 22:29.37 | poseidon | Where can I find a list of sources to add to debian? |
| 22:29.40 | ZombB | Is the testing tree in freeze for the release of Lenny? |
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| 22:29.47 | poseidon | for apt |
| 22:29.55 | stew | ZombB: so far only the toolchain and the udebs |
| 22:30.06 | stew | poseidon: what do you want to install that you can't get from debian? |
| 22:30.08 | streuner | ZombB: essential is frozen |
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| 22:30.15 | stew | streuner: since when? |
| 22:30.41 | stew | streuner: you mean build-essential? |
| 22:30.47 | streuner | stew: /topic in #d-d (OFTC) |
| 22:30.50 | ZombB | streuner, yeah, since when |
| 22:31.40 | stew | hrm |
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| 22:32.17 | jim | streuner: could you /msg me that topic? |
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| 22:32.46 | poseidon | stew, O I just uncommented two sources in my source list maybe that will help |
| 22:33.21 | stew | poseidon: what are you trying to do? what are you trying to install? |
| 22:33.33 | streuner | jim: done |
| 22:33.38 | jim | thank you |
| 22:34.18 | poseidon | stew, I just installed debian and the first two things i would like to install are iceweasel and xchat |
| 22:35.04 | poseidon | iceweasel worked, so I just want to install xchat right now |
| 22:35.43 | stew | poseidon: a basic sources.list should be able to install either of those with no problems, /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 22:36.14 | drcode | hi all |
| 22:36.33 | ZombB | hi drcode! |
| 22:36.37 | drcode | is there file that I can load my script at end of boot |
| 22:36.54 | drcode | I want to load somthing at end of my debian boot |
| 22:37.05 | streuner | drcode: rc.local seems a good place |
| 22:37.16 | streuner | drcode: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 22:37.29 | streuner | to be* |
| 22:37.34 | drcode | k |
| 22:37.34 | riot | wow, is this a querulant device, unbelievable.. but i've got it. Network is up, installer comes along.. |
| 22:37.35 | drcode | I will try |
| 22:37.41 | drcode | thanx |
| 22:37.49 | streuner | np |
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| 22:40.23 | jim | wow, that's impressive... 32 million young users of kde under debian |
| 22:41.01 | kgod | Um, where would I find alsaconf these days? |
| 22:41.28 | kgod | ... and what happened to the 'alsa one-liner' factoid? |
| 22:41.32 | stew | kgod: in alsa-utils (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 22:41.35 | streuner | in alsa-utils as usual? |
| 22:41.37 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:41.53 | jim | in /usr/sbin |
| 22:41.55 | kgod | is trying to sort why he doesn't have any audio control other than main volume. |
| 22:41.56 | streuner | !listkeys one-liner |
| 22:41.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'one-liner' by key (12 of 17): #debian 2.4 alsa one-liner ;; #debian alsa one-liner ;; #debian ndiswrapper one-liner ;; #debian nvidia one-liner ;; 2.4 alsa one-liner ;; _default 2.4 alsa one-liner ;; _default alsa one-liner ;; _default ndiswrapper one-liner ;; _default nvidia one-liner ;; acpi custom kernel one-liner ;; alsa one-liner ;; fglrx one-liner. |
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| 22:42.30 | kgod | streuner: Thanks |
| 22:42.48 | riot | hah, setting up base-system. Thanks yer all :) |
| 22:43.06 | kgod | streuner: Um, how do I show literal of a factoid? |
| 22:43.25 | jim | riot: did you end up using an etch installer? |
| 22:43.26 | stew | alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 22:43.30 | kgod | streuner: There *is* a factoid, apparently, but it's not helpful |
| 22:43.32 | stew | err |
| 22:43.37 | stew | !alsa one-liner is "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 22:43.37 | dpkg | ...but alsa one-liner is already something else... |
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| 22:43.51 | kgod | WTF? |
| 22:43.52 | stew | wtf |
| 22:44.00 | kgod | Oh. |
| 22:44.01 | streuner_ | kgod: /msg dpkg literal <factoid> |
| 22:44.55 | riot | jim: yah. I'll just dist-upgrade it. |
| 22:45.13 | jim | what device did you need to support? a net card? |
| 22:46.09 | kgod | streuner_: Danke |
| 22:46.18 | streuner_ | kgod: np |
| 22:46.39 | kgod | OK, aumixe only sees Vol, Line, Mic, Pcm2, and IGain. |
| 22:46.44 | kgod | Interesting. |
| 22:47.22 | jim | so you were saying you need at minimum 2.6.16 to get your net card supported... I guess you have some choices there about how to have dist-upgrade pull in the packages (download a cd, use a different net card) |
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| 22:48.14 | riot | jim: the main problem were, that the device refused to boot _any_ kernel from my several usb-media.. i found a stupid 1 GB mmc-card which works. |
| 22:48.26 | jim | ahh |
| 22:48.34 | riot | jim: and yes, the e1000 driver needs a kernel > 2.6.18, iirc |
| 22:48.46 | kgod | What's the sortof replacement for xmms? |
| 22:48.50 | kgod | abraca? |
| 22:48.59 | jim | > .18? hmm, I misread, thought you said .16 |
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| 22:49.47 | riot | kgod: if you're running kde, try amarok |
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| 22:51.43 | kgod | Hrm. Trying to get a CD to play. |
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| 22:52.36 | streuner_ | hm, that's only possible if your soundcard is connected to CD-Player... |
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| 22:52.38 | riot | woo, yay! up and running :D |
| 22:52.52 | riot | kgod: you could rip the cd and play the result :) |
| 22:53.01 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 22:53.13 | kgod | riot: Well, yeah, if I could access it in the first place. |
| 22:53.48 | kgod | suspects a not-connected CD cable. |
| 22:54.46 | streuner_ | is still searching for that cable, but in meantime he is using riot's methode ;-) |
| 22:54.51 | poseidon | What source do I need to add to get flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:55.02 | streuner_ | non-free? |
| 22:55.09 | kgod | poseidon: Prolly just add 'non-free' to your standard archive. |
| 22:55.54 | kgod | Feh. |
| 22:55.56 | riot | kgod: you don't need that cable for ripping. |
| 22:55.59 | ryoohki | streuner" kickstart is a redhat install method in which the answers to the install screens' questions are presented in a text file( often named ks.cfg). this kickstart.cfg file is left in /root after any install enabling you to see what the installation answers were. |
| 22:56.01 | jberg | if i have one ntfs partition with windows, is it possible to create a new ext3 partition for debian with the debian installer without destroying the windows partition? |
| 22:56.12 | kgod | suspects copy-protected CD drive. No media in one drive, i/o error in the other. |
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| 22:57.01 | kgod | ryoohki: FAI or preseed, as was told you ;-) |
| 22:57.03 | ryoohki | stew: does fai work for ubuntu? i know preseed does. i know debian and ubuntu are not the same like redhat and madriva are). |
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| 22:59.20 | stew | ryoohki: i have no idea, ask #ubuntu |
| 22:59.58 | kgod | ryoohki: ... or the FAI team / site / docs. I suspect it does. |
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| 23:01.07 | benjamindees | jberg, yes you can use ntfsresize to resize the existing partition |
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| 23:01.31 | zyx386 | hi |
| 23:02.01 | jberg | benjamindees: cool. and that is in the debian installer and i dont need a reinstall of windows? :) |
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| 23:02.23 | ryoohki | kgod: hey karston! going to the "linux cabal" meeting tomorrow? |
| 23:02.28 | zyx386 | Search tracker tool and Deskbar tool, worked no more#finde nothing in the web or in my pc# why? |
| 23:02.31 | poseidon | kgod, like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main non-free |
| 23:02.39 | kgod | ryoohki: Likely not. |
| 23:02.47 | kgod | ryoohki: You are? |
| 23:02.52 | ryoohki | streuner" = streuner: |
| 23:03.06 | ryoohki | sorry for the typo confusion |
| 23:03.07 | poseidon | kgod, god of K! I'm god of C =P |
| 23:03.24 | benjamindees | jberg, yes it's on the installer; you will probably need to do it from a shell though because I don't think it's accessible from the main install menu. Also it is recommended to defrag the ntfs partition from windows first. |
| 23:03.29 | ryoohki | kgod: likely but not sure yet - probably decide at the last minute |
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| 23:03.50 | kgod | ryoohki: Dig. I've got things wot needs doing. |
| 23:03.51 | zyx386 | every one? |
| 23:04.01 | kgod | ryoohki: Wait: it's a bday real soon now. |
| 23:04.11 | ryoohki | kgod: whose bday? |
| 23:04.19 | kgod | ryoohki: /msg |
| 23:04.23 | poseidon | What is this, aim? |
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| 23:05.09 | ma3x | how can i control remote desktop from windows to linux? |
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| 23:05.18 | kgod | poseidon: or permutation thereov. |
| 23:05.28 | jberg | benjamindees: ah i see. thanks. and the command is just called ntfsresize? |
| 23:05.35 | benjamindees | jberg, yes |
| 23:05.42 | ryoohki | poseidon: check out my myspace page |
| 23:05.43 | jberg | thanks |
| 23:05.43 | kgod | ma3x: rdesktop => access Windows remotely from Linux. VNC, X11, NX, or ssh: access Linux remotely from Windows. |
| 23:06.12 | poseidon | ryoohki, I'm not a "myspacer" |
| 23:06.15 | benjamindees | jberg, remember to back-up first :) |
| 23:06.27 | kgod | ryoohki: No, dude, Xanga's like *soo* h4w7! |
| 23:06.27 | ma3x | kgod: can you use putty to access it from windows? |
| 23:06.33 | jberg | benjamindees: yea :) |
| 23:06.39 | kgod | ma3x: PuTTY is an SSH client, yes. |
| 23:06.42 | ryoohki | poseidon: too bad - my myspace runs debian in a vm writen in java script with sparkles |
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| 23:06.50 | dniel | hi! I have a dout? How do I do to format a pendrive with vfat format? |
| 23:06.58 | dniel | mkfs? |
| 23:07.06 | ma3x | kgod: but you connect to the linux machine and you type startx? and it starts??? |
| 23:07.20 | stew | dniel: mkfs.vfat |
| 23:07.24 | kgod | dniel: mkfs.vfat <device> |
| 23:07.25 | streuner | !find mkfs.vfat |
| 23:07.29 | kgod | dniel: man mkfs |
| 23:07.42 | ryoohki | ma3x: x starts on the console - you usually don't connect to it |
| 23:07.46 | PovAddict | if there is a package with multiple packages as alternative dependencies (Depends: foo | bar | baz), how do I choose which to install, when using apt-get? |
| 23:07.47 | dniel | stew and kgod: thank! |
| 23:07.53 | poseidon | I'm not into the whole social networking thing. I do like to chat on IRC however. I would rather see my friends in person, rather than to look at pictures of their cat then post a long post which consists of at least fifteen tla's |
| 23:08.01 | kgod | ma3x: ... though if you want to you can run VNC on your root console. |
| 23:08.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.vfat' (1): (/sbin/mkfs.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 23:08.21 | ma3x | kgod: I have simply enabled x forwarding |
| 23:08.37 | ma3x | but i don't understand how can you just connect with putty from windows, you won't get the desktop screen |
| 23:08.40 | ma3x | you'll get the console |
| 23:08.44 | stew | ma3x: if you were to run startx on the linux box while logged in via putty, then by default, you would get access denied. you could allow such access with "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common", if you did, then 'startx' would start x on the linux machine (like monitor/mouse/kbd on attacted to the linux box) |
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| 23:08.46 | dimedo | has anyone an idea why my debian etch installation's netstat only shows me ipv6 connections/listeners although there are indeed open ipv4 ports on the system |
| 23:08.47 | ryoohki | ma3x: if the permissions are correct you can fire up a x program, like xclock, and it should pop up on the local xwindow server |
| 23:08.48 | dniel | kgod: and Does this command erase the all content of this device? |
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| 23:08.58 | PovAddict | ma3x: you'll need an X server for Windows, if I understand correctly what you want to do |
| 23:09.09 | kgod | dniel: For various values of "erase", yes. |
| 23:09.09 | stew | ma3x: if you want to see a linux desktop on windows, you'd connect to the linux box using vnc |
| 23:09.20 | poseidon | My Girlfriend really entices me to get a myspace however, but sometimes I just have to put my foot down and say no :) |
| 23:09.21 | kgod | dniel: It doesn't keep someone who really wants to from recovering data. |
| 23:09.24 | ma3x | stew: vnc for windows? |
| 23:09.29 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 23:09.33 | kgod | dniel: However it effectively removes access to the prior contents of the device. |
| 23:09.42 | ma3x | and should i install vnc server on linux? or just the x forwarding is fine? |
| 23:09.59 | stew | ma3x: you'd have to install a vnc server on linux |
| 23:10.14 | kgod | dniel: If you're asking for secure deletion tools: shred, wipe, or for a flash drive, just "dd if=/dev/zero of=<device>" should be pretty good. It's basically memory, not magnetic media. |
| 23:10.17 | ma3x | stew: and where do i get vnc for windows? |
| 23:10.38 | ma3x | hey realvnc is NOT free! |
| 23:10.40 | kgod | ma3x: There's this really cool research project out of Stanford. |
| 23:10.49 | kgod | ma3x: It does this thing called an "index" |
| 23:10.54 | kgod | ma3x: ... of the World Wide Web. |
| 23:11.03 | kgod | ma3x: Couple of guys started it out of a garage they rented. |
| 23:11.03 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:11.09 | kgod | ma3x: It may take off some time. |
| 23:11.13 | kgod | ma3x: It's called Google. |
| 23:11.18 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:11.21 | ma3x | im telling you it's not free |
| 23:11.27 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 23:11.29 | streuner | google? :-P |
| 23:11.54 | ma3x | kgod: you read too many stories |
| 23:12.06 | dniel | kgod: ohh! okey! thanks a lot |
| 23:12.13 | benjamindees | hmm, kickseed is what I was thinking of earlier |
| 23:12.24 | dniel | kgod: sorry for my english. It's bad :( |
| 23:12.25 | kgod | ma3x: there are several free VNC clients based on the original Cambridge University UK AT&T VNC project. |
| 23:12.26 | streuner | prolly, but he unterstood that you doesn't like google much :-) |
| 23:12.40 | PovAddict | if there is a package with multiple packages as alternative dependencies (Depends: foo | bar | baz), how do I choose which to install, when using apt-get? |
| 23:12.44 | ma3x | kgod: for windows or linux only? |
| 23:12.49 | PovAddict | I know it's possible with aptitude ncurses UI |
| 23:12.59 | kgod | ma3x: Google it. |
| 23:13.28 | stew | PovAddict: apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3... |
| 23:13.56 | PovAddict | stew: if 'foo' depends on 'bar | baz' and I say "apt-get install foo baz", it won't try to install bar? |
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| 23:14.07 | stew | PovAddict: right |
| 23:14.11 | poseidon | Ok, so what should I add to my source list to get flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 23:14.13 | benjamindees | dpkg kickstart is also See d-i package 'kickseed' |
| 23:14.13 | dpkg | benjamindees: okay |
| 23:14.14 | PovAddict | stew: and, if I do "apt-get install foo", does it install bar by default? |
| 23:14.25 | stew | PovAddict: yes unless baz is already installed |
| 23:14.26 | streuner | poseidon: we already told you |
| 23:14.31 | PovAddict | right |
| 23:14.33 | PovAddict | thanks |
| 23:14.37 | streuner | poseidon: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 23:14.46 | poseidon | O, sorry didn't see that one |
| 23:15.53 | streuner | well, we said add a non-free source to the existing one, but not /msg dpkg non-free (which is easier to unterstand) |
| 23:16.50 | kibibyte | hi |
| 23:17.10 | kibibyte | how to upgrade phpversion in debian etch |
| 23:17.29 | stew | kibibyte: aptitude install php5 |
| 23:17.39 | stew | kibibyte: what version are you running now? |
| 23:17.55 | stew | kibibyte: becuase it's actually not likely to be that simple |
| 23:18.03 | dniel | kgod: if I do "dd if=/dev/zero of=<device>", will not the device has any format? |
| 23:18.49 | poseidon | Ok, so I added non-free to my main contrib, then I updated apt and tried apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and I get the following "E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate" |
| 23:18.55 | dniel | kgod: then of that, Will I need do mkfs? |
| 23:18.57 | stew | dniel: it will not be formatted. it will be filled with zeros |
| 23:19.15 | dniel | stew: ahh okey! |
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| 23:19.53 | streuner | poseidon: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:20.07 | Dreamtank | What this channel about? |
| 23:20.14 | dniel | stew: can you understand my english? |
| 23:20.24 | stew | poseidon: what arch are you on? i386? ppc? amd64? |
| 23:20.25 | stew | dniel: yes |
| 23:20.30 | streuner | Dreamtank: Support Debian (www.debian.org) |
| 23:20.30 | Dreamtank | hey people |
| 23:20.38 | streuner | don't troll |
| 23:20.39 | stew | Dreamtank: end user support for debian (debian.org) |
| 23:20.53 | Dreamtank | ? |
| 23:21.02 | streuner | hm |
| 23:21.16 | poseidon | streuner, libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:21.17 | Dreamtank | oh, operation systems... |
| 23:21.27 | poseidon | stew, i386 |
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| 23:21.34 | streuner | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 23:21.46 | findlay | is there any way to get rid of the POSIX locale? |
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| 23:22.09 | extor | I don't seem to get hangovers any more the next morning---is that good or bad? What does it mean? Fuck do I need to stop drinking or drink more to see if I get hung over? |
| 23:22.19 | streuner | poseidon: well, according to dpkg its not in etch |
| 23:22.30 | streuner | Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' does not exist. |
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| 23:23.05 | Mazingaro | stew: hi |
| 23:23.08 | streuner | poseidon: http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:23.17 | streuner | poseidon: but there is a backport |
| 23:23.24 | stew | poseidon: it looks like it was removed from etch and now you must get it from backports. |
| 23:23.31 | findlay | every time I open a gnome-terminal I have to navigate to the terminal menu and select en_US.utf8, because POSIX is selected by default and I can't expunge it from my system |
| 23:23.39 | stew | poseidon: likely the version in etch was installing an older version of flash which is no longer available |
| 23:23.43 | streuner | poseidon: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 23:24.33 | findlay | which is troubling because it doesn't show up anywhere in /etc/locale.* |
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| 23:25.07 | kibibyte | stew, PHP Version 5.2.0-8+etch10 |
| 23:25.26 | stew | findlay: have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'? |
| 23:25.35 | poseidon | Thanks |
| 23:25.39 | findlay | stew: yes, no POSIX locale there either |
| 23:26.08 | stew | findlay: yes, and that's fine. but you could set the default locale there to un_US.utf8 |
| 23:26.12 | stew | kibibyte: then there isnt' a newer version available. why do you need a newer version? |
| 23:26.24 | kibibyte | in 5.2.0 is bug |
| 23:26.41 | stew | kibibyte: what bug? |
| 23:26.41 | Guerin | so file a bug on the BTS |
| 23:26.51 | findlay | stew: I have indeed done so |
| 23:26.58 | kibibyte | stew, Indirect modification of overloaded property Zend_Session_Namespace::$user has no effect |
| 23:26.59 | stew | findlay: what does "echo $LANG" return? |
| 23:27.04 | findlay | yet POSIX remains |
| 23:27.18 | findlay | stew: hm, nothing |
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| 23:27.23 | findlay | could that be it? |
| 23:27.37 | findlay | `locale` returns all POSIX |
| 23:27.42 | stew | findlay: yes. that is indeed it. have you logged out and back in since setting the default? |
| 23:27.49 | findlay | many times |
| 23:28.16 | kibibyte | stew, http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=39449 |
| 23:29.16 | findlay | /etc/default/locale has LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 23:29.40 | stew | findlay: 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8' in your .bash_profile or .profile |
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| 23:29.46 | stew | findlay: or /etc/profile |
| 23:30.53 | kibibyte | stew, help |
| 23:31.09 | dniel | stew: my debian (lenny) don't have mkfs.vfat. How do i do? |
| 23:31.20 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: ... ping... |
| 23:31.25 | dniel | :( |
| 23:31.45 | stew | dniel: install dosfstools (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 23:32.16 | stew | kibibyte: if you need to have this bug fixed, you'd have to backport php5 from testing/unstable (if php5 there has the fix) : /msg dpkg ssb ; or install from source |
| 23:32.39 | findlay | stew: thx, I'll try that |
| 23:32.40 | dniel | stew: excelent! |
| 23:32.45 | dniel | stew: thank! |
| 23:32.46 | findlay | just a sec |
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| 23:36.20 | dniel | stew: it works ;) |
| 23:37.14 | dniel | stew: which liveusb do you recomend? based on debian |
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| 23:38.28 | stew | dniel: i dont' know |
| 23:40.10 | susanne-- | i'm trying to use smart to determine if my hard drive is failing, but i'm a novice at understanding the data the tool is giving me. can someone please help me interpret? is the drive telling me it's about to fail? http://www.pastebin.ca/1012661 |
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| 23:47.48 | jelly-home | susanne--: looks like it has at least one bad sector. running a vendor utility may help remapping that sector |
| 23:49.10 | jelly-home | susanne--: however a long test ran after that has passed without errors. I've no idea what the extended test actually does. |
| 23:49.37 | jelly-home | susanne--: can you read the whole device without errors? |
| 23:51.56 | nite613 | I just upgraded etch->lenny on my laptop with an i810 video. Now when X starts I get s screwed up screen with white creeping in from the edges |
| 23:51.59 | jelly-home | susanne--: also Airflow_Temperature_Celsius seems to have passed over the threshold at some point in the past |
| 23:52.33 | nite613 | I swear I've seen this before and it has something to do with deactivating some video post code or something, but the upgrade didn't alter my xorg.conf and I can't figure out where to look next |
| 23:53.18 | susanne-- | jelly-home: i don't have physical access to this machine. it's at a server rental farm. i've had a kernel panic on my mail queue four times in the past couple of months, and i have kvm-based console access for the evening so i can jack with that if i need to. |
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| 23:54.03 | sdubois92 | how do i change the window manager that startx opens? |
| 23:54.45 | jelly-home | susanne--: can you boot from a livecd image and do a badblocks run? |
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| 23:55.48 | stew | nite613: if you upgraded from etch to lenny and xorg.conf didn't change, something is wrong |
| 23:55.59 | jcranmer | I'm trying to get sound working on my new laptop. It's a Realtek sound card, and alsaconf isn't doing it |
| 23:56.03 | jcranmer | 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 23:56.08 | jcranmer | is the line from lspci |
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| 23:56.21 | jelly-home | jcranmer: that's the network device |
| 23:56.24 | jim | jcranmer: sound? ethernet? |
| 23:56.26 | nite613 | stew: Oh yeah? it doesn't seem to be wrong, everything was petty cheery, my packages are in nice states, etc |
| 23:56.28 | jcranmer | oops, wrong line |
| 23:56.37 | nite613 | What should have changed in xorg.conf? |
| 23:56.56 | jim | maybe the whole file would be replaced... who knows... |
| 23:56.58 | stew | nite613: it should have been severly stripped down |
| 23:57.00 | jcranmer | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia |
| 23:57.04 | jelly-home | nite613: for one thing, the video driver is now called "intel", not "i810" |
| 23:57.20 | jelly-home | jcranmer: snd-hda-intel ought to handle that |
| 23:57.22 | stew | and the driver would no longer be mentioned in xorg.conf |
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| 23:57.26 | jim | does that driver handle other chipsets? |
| 23:57.31 | susanne-- | jelly-home: not without paying a lot of extra money, no. :-) |
| 23:57.45 | susanne-- | jelly-home: should i simply point them to this and ask for a new drive? that's free. :-) |
| 23:57.57 | jelly-home | susanne--: then tell them to change the drive, yes |
| 23:57.57 | nite613 | jelly-home: i810 was still working for me, but I noticed the name change and tried switching to "intel". Same problem thuogh |
| 23:58.49 | stew | nite613: this is the xorg.conf i'm currently using with that xserver with the intel driver: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.7.3 ; i'd expect an upgrade to lenny to give you a similar xorg.conf |
| 23:58.54 | jim | susanne--, copying the data from the current running installation may or may not be worth doing |
| 23:59.02 | jelly-home | nite613: can you try forcing the horizsync and vertrefresh ranges to what your output device supports? |
| 23:59.17 | sdubois92 | how do i change the window manager that startx opens? |
| 23:59.30 | nite613 | jelly-home: I will try that if I can find the specs for this old LCD... |
| 23:59.31 | jelly-home | !tell sdubois92 -about repeat |
| 23:59.33 | jcranmer | jelly-home: nope, not working |
| 23:59.36 | jim | it might be a good thing to find out why they have heat problems... |
| 23:59.44 | stew | sdubois92: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 23:59.59 | jelly-home | jcranmer: how is it "not working"? |
