| 00:00.08 | jcranmer | no sound's playing |
| 00:00.33 | jelly-home | jcranmer: is the module loaded? |
| 00:00.41 | jcranmer | everything's unmuted, at maximum power, and mplayer's not spewing out sound for files I know work on my other computer and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp isn't working |
| 00:00.56 | jcranmer | jelly-home: YeTr2 |
| 00:01.01 | jcranmer | s/YeTr2/yes/ |
| 00:01.26 | jelly-home | jcranmer: did it spew some lines to dmesg/kern.log at modprobing time? |
| 00:01.49 | jim | susanne--, if you can get them to solve the overheating problem, might be worth staying with them... if not, or if they don't want to tell you about your server and why it went over the threshold that one time, it might be time to consider a different provider |
| 00:02.02 | jcranmer | hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC268, trying auto-probe from BIOS... |
| 00:02.02 | jcranmer | si3054: cannot initialize. EXT MID = 0000 |
| 00:02.14 | jelly-home | jcranmer: fwiw, my HP branded desktop at work has a "00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia" with a "Realtek ALC260" codec and works reasonably well |
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| 00:02.57 | jcranmer | looks like I'm using a newer model... 268 v 260 |
| 00:03.29 | nite613 | stew: That trimmed config made no difference, still this erie creeping white from the edges |
| 00:03.31 | jelly-home | jcranmer: device outputs are messed up, though. Try a newer alsa driver or kernel. It started working acceptably well with 2.6.20 |
| 00:03.51 | jcranmer | I've got 2.6.24, and I'm using debian testing |
| 00:03.59 | stew | nite613: what resolution is it running? |
| 00:04.10 | jelly-home | jcranmer: then there's 2.6.25, and alsa git! :-D |
| 00:04.25 | jim | what's the latest usable kernel available as binary .debs for etch? (not the latest official) |
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| 00:05.20 | jelly-home | jim: usable? |
| 00:05.34 | nite613 | stew: 1024x768 is what the LCD will do ( and was doing before my upgrade) |
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| 00:06.22 | stew | nite613: and that is the currently running resolution? |
| 00:06.22 | jim | jelly-home: I do have a sata controller in there, I'd like that to be supported... but I think that controller is well supported |
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| 00:07.29 | RyanPrior | Is there any way that Windows programs could be packaged for Debian, so long as they depended on Wine? |
| 00:07.33 | stew | nite613: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere we can see it? |
| 00:07.42 | jmd | Hey! Debian has discovered a really neat way to reduce the number of outstanding bugs. They just put a critical bug in the reportbug package. Clever thinking!! |
| 00:08.00 | titii | Hey guys just a little OT. Is "intermediate" more than "average" ? Thanks |
| 00:08.40 | jelly-home | jmd: "just put", so you're using testing or unstable and already know how to file bugs manually? |
| 00:10.45 | nite613 | stew: http://fractalcube.net/~chris/Xorg.0.log I just noticed it's saying DRI disabled due to a version mismatch, I wonder if that's related |
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| 00:11.56 | stew | nite613: (II) intel(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1280x768 |
| 00:12.04 | nite613 | Yes I'd JUST seen that |
| 00:12.37 | jcranmer | jelly-home: got it working, seems I needed a model=toshiba in there |
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| 00:12.56 | stew | nite613: does "xarandr" list the correct mode as being available? |
| 00:13.01 | nite613 | But in the previous config file (working pre-upgrade) it was psecified 1024x768 and that file wasn't working for me either |
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| 00:14.18 | nite613 | yes it does |
| 00:15.08 | stew | nite613: then i'd expect specifying it to work if you put Modes "1024x768" inside SubSection "Display" inside Section "Screen" |
| 00:15.19 | nite613 | Doing that now |
| 00:15.29 | nite613 | but that's how it was before I switched to your config file |
| 00:15.50 | nite613 | Same behaviour |
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| 00:16.15 | nite613 | Some artifacts of text that was on the screen, some random pixels spattered overtop, and then a bright white/purple haze closing in slowly from the edges |
| 00:16.16 | stew | nite613: yeah, well if you want to check it with your xorg.conf, i'd want to know again if xrandr show it as available using that config |
| 00:16.25 | nite613 | looks like if I let it run it would burst into flame ;) |
| 00:16.47 | stew | if you are driving a lcd over the native resolution, 'thar be dragons' |
| 00:16.52 | nite613 | stew: xrandr does show the 1024x768 mode as avaialble |
| 00:17.09 | jelly-home | nite613: that plasma-like effect is typical of very wrong settings given to a lcd... |
| 00:17.44 | nite613 | Hmmm, actually I notice that even with the Modes "1024x768 |
| 00:17.53 | nite613 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.01 | jelly-home | nite613: you can try xserver-xorg-video-intel from unstable or even experimental, I guess |
| 00:18.35 | nite613 | bah, it was an upgrade that got me into this mess! |
| 00:18.57 | stew | he's using the one from unstable |
| 00:19.09 | jelly-home | nite613: yeah, that's a good reason to keep the broken version! |
| 00:19.12 | nite613 | no, 7.3 from lenny |
| 00:19.16 | stew | same same |
| 00:19.23 | nite613 | ah |
| 00:19.35 | jelly-home | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel experimental |
| 00:19.41 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:2.3.0-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 370 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
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| 00:20.13 | stew | nite613: see if now that you are explicitly specifying the correct resolution, the log shows some reason it is not wanting to use it |
| 00:21.48 | nite613 | It never mentions that resolution in the log at all. |
| 00:21.54 | nite613 | double checks the xorg.conf |
| 00:22.08 | jelly-home | I don't see any DDC output in the log |
| 00:24.20 | nite613 | arg |
| 00:24.33 | DeFirence | could someone please help me out with this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.0.100 --dport 1000 -j DNAT --to 196.26.208.123:119 ---- how can i tell it what interface to connect to the 196. address? |
| 00:24.33 | RyanPrior | Is there any way that Windows programs could be packaged for Debian, so long as they depended on Wine? |
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| 00:25.34 | nite613 | DeFirence: it will use whatever interface is on that network. You can specify particular src interface/addresses for particular route destinations using 'ip route' I think |
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| 00:25.47 | jim | RyanPrior: I guess it's technically possible to do so... imo, it's better politically to ignore microsoft |
| 00:26.04 | jelly-home | RyanPrior: wine has separate fake windows directory trees for each user. you don't need to package programs separately, just tell the user to install it |
| 00:26.05 | nite613 | DeFirence: using the 'src' option in ip route |
| 00:26.24 | jim | and while it's technically possible, you might run into legal/licensing issues |
| 00:26.30 | DeFirence | nite613: i need to specify the interface it connects to the DNAT ip through :/ |
| 00:26.45 | jelly-home | jim: he said nothing about distributing such packages |
| 00:26.46 | nite613 | So it |
| 00:27.19 | RyanPrior | jim: What about Free Software that is built on the win32 API, is popular with Windows users, and works well on Wine? (Examples: Notepad++, WinSCP). It would be nice for Windows users to be able to grab those programs out of the debian repository. |
| 00:27.26 | jim | oh, you're right... I inferred that from the phrase "package for debian" |
| 00:27.29 | nite613 | DeFirence: Isn't that information in your routing table, though? Either you have an interfacve on that network or you have a def gw it will use |
| 00:28.14 | nite613 | stew: Is there a way to say "use this resolution or die"? The config is definitely right, but it's totally ignored - no mention of rejecting the mode in the log, it just chooses the wrong resolution and goes for it |
| 00:28.24 | jim | RyanPrior: so you are interested in distribution |
| 00:28.42 | jelly-home | RyanPrior: they can still install it with "winesetup; msiexec foo.msi" |
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| 00:29.04 | RyanPrior | jelly-home: Of course! Why not just move Debian to an all-binary-installer system, then? |
| 00:29.11 | jelly-home | jim: you win this time, Gadget! |
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| 00:29.23 | stew | nite613: i dont' know of a way. you could try explicitly specifying a modeline in the monitor section, or you could just live with using xrandr to pick the right mode after starting x (perhaps in .xsession or so) |
| 00:29.30 | jelly-home | RyanPrior: wine is not debian |
| 00:29.43 | RyanPrior | jelly-home: Users can just install with "make clean; make; make install" |
| 00:29.48 | nite613 | Oh! If that will work I'll live with it for now |
| 00:29.56 | jelly-home | RyanPrior: what is the real problem you're trying to solve? |
| 00:30.19 | jim | RyanPrior: if windows users are interested in linux and they're actually taking action in that direction, chances are they're looking for a change |
| 00:30.27 | RyanPrior | jelly-home: Windows programs don't have any standard for Debian packaging, and so they miss out on the benefits that Debian packages give. |
| 00:31.12 | jim | RyanPrior: I'll go back to my original assertion... microsoft is better ignored |
| 00:31.30 | stew | this has little to do with microsoft |
| 00:31.46 | RyanPrior | jelly-home: Java and Mono and Qt runtime environments are acceptable for Debian packaging, so I don't see what makes Wine so different, other than that it attempts to make things easier to deal with the Microsoft side of software. |
| 00:31.50 | stew | wine programs don't have to live in a 'drive_c' to run, right? |
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| 00:32.01 | jelly-home | RyanPrior: yes. And they also depend on various Win32 APIs, which specify putting configuration and data bits in very specific places that are not very compatible with FSSTND |
| 00:32.01 | RyanPrior | stew: Nope, I think they can live anywhere. |
| 00:32.07 | stew | RyanPrior: yes, i don't see a technical problem with what you are trying to do |
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| 00:32.40 | RyanPrior | stew: So, the reason there are no packages for win32 programs to date is probably just political? |
| 00:32.53 | jelly-home | I see a few. Wine doesn't, by its nature, support globally installed software. |
| 00:32.57 | stew | RyanPrior: or just that nobody bothered |
| 00:33.22 | Siftin-com | Hi, I am loking for a license management software that I can use for Linux applications. Any recommendations? |
| 00:33.31 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:33.43 | stew | jelly-home: why not? |
| 00:33.44 | Guerin | Siftin-com: what in hell is a license management software? |
| 00:34.05 | stew | jelly-home: i mean, i use wine to run programs that live in /usr/local/lib/whatever now |
| 00:34.25 | Siftin-com | Guerin, flexlm is one example |
| 00:34.25 | DeFirence | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.0.100 --dport 1000 -j DNAT --to 196.26.208.123:119 ---- how can i tell it what interface to connect to the 196. address for this rule? i cant setup a ip route for that address because i need different ports to that address to go through different interfaces |
| 00:34.37 | jelly-home | stew: where do they keep their registry bits? |
| 00:34.45 | stew | jelly-home: they don't use registry btis |
| 00:35.02 | stew | jelly-home: if they did, it would be in ~/.wine/ somewhere i suppose |
| 00:35.03 | Siftin-com | Hi, I am loking for software license management software that I can use for Linux applications. Any recommendations? |
| 00:35.17 | stew | Siftin-com: what is license management software? |
| 00:35.20 | jim | Siftin-com: you already said that |
| 00:35.30 | Guerin | Siftin-com: debian is a free software channel, we don't do proprietary bollocks here. Ask elsewhere. |
| 00:35.41 | Guerin | s/^/#/ |
| 00:36.13 | stew | Guerin: what is license management software? |
| 00:36.32 | RyanPrior | Siftin-com: gpl-violations.org is our software license management system. :-) |
| 00:36.44 | jelly-home | stew: wine would have to know about package-installed /etc/wine/whatever.dat and use a union of that and user's settings to build the registry |
| 00:36.47 | DeFirence | if anyone can help me out with this i would be very thankful, ive been struggling for days :{ |
| 00:36.53 | Siftin-com | stew, license management software libraries like flexlm help control abuse of proprietary code |
| 00:36.54 | Guerin | stew: seems to be something which permits or denbies use of a given program based on what license conditions are available to a given user or a given machine. |
| 00:36.57 | stew | jelly-home: not everything needs a registry |
| 00:37.10 | Guerin | Siftin-com: there's no such thing. |
| 00:37.20 | jelly-home | stew: most nontrivial apps do |
| 00:37.24 | Guerin | not for debian, in any case |
| 00:37.36 | Tramp | DeFirence: This sounds really weird. You may try to mark the different packets and then apply policy-routing to route the packets to different interfaces, accoring to their marks. |
| 00:37.39 | Siftin-com | well, I guess its not the right channel than. thanks for your time |
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| 00:38.01 | DeFirence | Tramp: i dont think i can mark the packets? |
| 00:38.14 | Tramp | DeFirence: you can, with iptables |
| 00:38.20 | DeFirence | uhm |
| 00:38.28 | jelly-home | stew: sure you can run a self-contained .exe like putty from anywhere, but that's more of an exception than an app set up to work nicely with the (windows) OS |
| 00:38.48 | DeFirence | i dont really understand what you mean Tramp :/ |
| 00:39.02 | Guerin | not the right software paradigm |
| 00:39.02 | jim | and if it's putty you want to run under wine under linux, that's a waste of resources |
| 00:39.03 | Guerin | i wonder if he goes into #openbsg and asks them now |
| 00:39.19 | stew | jelly-home: and does wine not do this kind of thing automatically? all the stuff i run with wine i run right out of /usr/local/lib/$something |
| 00:39.19 | Guerin | !mirc on wine |
| 00:39.19 | dpkg | from memory, mirc on wine is double the wrongness! |
| 00:39.22 | jelly-home | jim: let's not get tangential |
| 00:39.27 | Tramp | DeFirence: I thought so. Because what you are trying to do (if I understand you correctly) is really complicated. |
| 00:40.02 | jim | this is already tangential |
| 00:40.04 | DeFirence | i just want to make that rule go through a specific ppp connection |
| 00:40.10 | DeFirence | it cant be that hard Tramp? |
| 00:40.11 | nite613 | Ugh, so doing xrandr -s 1024x768 just turned my screen black and made it so I couldn't CTRL-ALT-F1 out to a console :( |
| 00:40.23 | jelly-home | stew: those are not windows apps that I use. might be winelib apps that came with wine |
| 00:40.52 | Tramp | DeFirence: you stated, that you want to route the same IP through different interfaces. This is nothing what is easily achieved |
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| 00:41.03 | DeFirence | uhm |
| 00:41.05 | oc180z | Sup deface |
| 00:41.06 | DeFirence | no wait |
| 00:41.10 | stew | jelly-home: well so it sounds like his answer is "maybe, depends on the particualr application, for things that need more of windows than just the win32 api, there might be problems" |
| 00:41.57 | DeFirence | Tramp: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.0.100 --dport 1000 -j DNAT --to 196.26.208.123:119 <-- i want that rule to connect to 196.26.208.123 via a specified ppp connection |
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| 00:42.12 | stew | jelly-home: (granted, all the things i run in win32 are CLIs and yes, are very simple) |
| 00:42.15 | jelly-home | stew: I'd say "don't expect it to work without a lot of problems; and if the apps are open source, just port them" |
| 00:42.40 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, the ones i'm using are not open source |
| 00:42.42 | Tramp | DeFirence: this is achieved, by routing 196... through this interface, as nit613 stated before. So set up a route for this IP and you are fine. |
| 00:42.44 | oc180z | So is Debian a great OS for PowerPC Better than Ubuntu?? |
| 00:42.49 | jelly-home | stew: winelib compiled apps might be reasonably simpler to adapt |
| 00:42.55 | DeFirence | but... |
| 00:43.02 | dondelelcaro | oc180z: it's just Debian on powerpc. |
| 00:43.11 | jim | oc180z: what does "better" mean? |
| 00:43.11 | DeFirence | if i do that all connections to that ip will go through the routed interface |
| 00:43.14 | dondelelcaro | oc180z: it's the same as it is on all of the architectures that we run on. |
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| 00:43.28 | DeFirence | but i want different iptables rules to go through different interfaces |
| 00:43.32 | Tramp | DeFirence: this rule has nothing to do with the routing. actually, because it is PREROUTING at this time the outgoing interface is not yet known |
| 00:43.47 | jelly-home | stew: get the source, make some patches to fix the paths, build-depend on stuff and let it build away |
| 00:43.56 | stew | jelly-home: yeah, i wish |
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| 00:44.13 | Tramp | DeFirence: see, this is what I said "same IP to different interfaces" - this is not trivial. |
| 00:44.34 | DeFirence | like port 1000 must go through ppp0 to 196. on port 119 and port 1001 must go through ppp1 to 196. on port 119 |
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| 00:44.38 | DeFirence | yeah :/ |
| 00:44.54 | DeFirence | so its very hard then :/ |
| 00:45.00 | jelly-home | dunno, I'm using crossover more than wine these days anyway. it "just works" |
| 00:45.04 | jim | are there two machines with one ip? |
| 00:45.11 | Tramp | DeFirence: and the solution to this problem is "marking packets with iptables" and "policy routing". |
| 00:45.22 | DeFirence | ok |
| 00:46.01 | Tramp | DeFirence: the idea is, to mark the packets differently and then route based on these marks with different routing tables. |
| 00:46.03 | oc180z | jim: better as in, for laptops |
| 00:46.11 | DeFirence | yeah |
| 00:46.14 | DeFirence | i understand now |
| 00:46.25 | DeFirence | and i can understand why itll be hard to do |
| 00:46.27 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 00:46.43 | oc180z | jim: ubuntu doesnet do well for ah, hibernating, or Suspending... and booting |
| 00:47.08 | jim | device issues are usually kernel issues |
| 00:47.18 | Tramp | DeFirence: but it can be done - it just requires some more reading on your side - but I gave you the "keywords", I hope. |
| 00:47.57 | jim | oc180z: how would it be if you just tried it? |
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| 00:48.23 | DeFirence | yeah ty, im going to do reading now :) |
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| 00:48.43 | marked | any bind gurus around? I'm having a problem with doing AXFR in bind9 |
| 00:48.44 | jelly-home | oc180z: those problems are not distro specific. the same distro with upgraded kernel might work fine |
| 00:49.13 | jim | most upstream dns deny permission to do axfr |
| 00:50.07 | stew | marked: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 00:51.16 | marked | stew: I have a master zone set to allow-transfer { all; }. I try to do a dig -t AXFR mrtoads.com (the zone) and can't do it from outside. |
| 00:51.34 | mat-tina | Hi, why does at depend on libcitadel and other mail related things when I try to apt-get it? |
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| 00:51.42 | marked | stew: shouldn't I be able to do an AXFR from anywhere if allow-transfer { all; } is set? |
| 00:51.43 | stew | marked: does an error show up in /var/log/daemon.log on the master? |
| 00:52.07 | jim | can you do it from outside when you do dig @your.dns.machine your.domain axfr |
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| 00:52.45 | stew | marked: yeah try adding the @server |
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| 00:52.50 | marked | stew and jim: I'm an idiot. thanks. |
| 00:53.58 | jim | hmm, so that brings up other problems if I understand you correctly, that the isn't actually authoritative over the domain |
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| 00:54.16 | PythonNinja | is there an X terminal in the debian repos that supports changing colors by default? |
| 00:54.18 | jim | but you'd have to decide whether you consider them problems or not |
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| 00:54.57 | jelly-home | PythonNinja: "changing colors by default"? |
| 00:55.34 | oc180z | jelly-home, i run Ubuntu 8.04 on a ibook G4, i have the problems now. |
| 00:55.43 | PythonNinja | jelly-home: both xterm and rxvt return False from curses.can_change_colors() (i'm diddling with the curses module for python, which is an ncurses wrapper) |
| 00:55.50 | oc180z | i know this is not ubuntu# but i came here to see if there were any helpz0r |
| 00:56.14 | jim | do you want to run debian instead? |
| 00:56.20 | oc180z | I Dont know. |
| 00:56.23 | Guerin | well, there isn't for ubuntu users, fso go ask therex0r |
| 00:56.32 | PythonNinja | Guerin++ |
| 00:56.42 | oc180z | yeah there is Ubuntu for PPC |
| 00:56.52 | oc180z | who runs PPC debian laptop? |
| 00:56.53 | jim | how do you want to be supported to find out? |
| 00:57.07 | Guerin | !anyone use PPC debian laptop? |
| 00:57.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses PPC debian laptop, not even the people who use it. |
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| 00:57.15 | oc180z | i dont kow |
| 00:57.19 | oc180z | im going to kill my self |
| 00:57.30 | Guerin | !aolify oc180z |
| 00:57.30 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in oc180z's ear |
| 00:57.31 | jelly-home | PythonNinja: you want to, say, change color 3 to some other RGB value? |
| 00:57.48 | jim | that's a different problem :P |
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| 00:58.06 | esaym | how you go up one level in a directory with cd? |
| 00:58.12 | Scruffy | hi here |
| 00:58.23 | oc180z | this channel sucks |
| 00:58.25 | oc180z | #ubuntu is better |
| 00:58.30 | jim | there's a special hard link in every directory called .. |
| 00:58.32 | mat-tina | go there then |
| 00:58.36 | jelly-home | oc180z: yes. |
| 00:58.40 | PythonNinja | jelly-home: precisely!, init_color() returns errors, which is to be expected, since my debug print tells me a second before it errors, that can_change_color() is false, which i'm presuming is related to my termcap/terminal ? |
| 00:58.41 | oc180z | suxk0rz0zr0z0r0z0r00z0r0zr0 |
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| 00:58.44 | jim | which points upward |
| 00:59.43 | jelly-home | PythonNinja: or maybe those term.emulators really don't have a way to change color definitions programatically |
| 01:00.12 | mat-tina | jelly-home: I think xterms emulate vt100, so they should not be able to change definitions |
| 01:00.21 | mat-tina | there is no way to do that in linux |
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| 01:00.29 | PythonNinja | jelly-home: that's what i'm thinking, hmmm... maybe i should be asking in a curses channel what terminals definately support changing them. cheers guys |
| 01:00.32 | mat-tina | as far as I know |
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| 01:03.14 | mat-tina | Does anyone know why lenny takes up a lot more space than etch? Are there lots of new stuff or is all of that fixes/upgrades to newer versions? |
| 01:03.32 | mat-tina | if it is the former case, then why? |
| 01:04.14 | susanne---- | who wrote these dog-shit browsers for os/x? :-( |
| 01:04.50 | Guerin | susanne----: appleware is crap, film at 11 |
| 01:05.09 | susanne---- | Guerin: I'd have Debian on it except I kept running into reset problems with the USB drives. |
| 01:05.30 | Guerin | i recommend purchase of a real laptop |
| 01:05.46 | susanne---- | guerin: it's being used as a media server. |
| 01:05.48 | jelly-home | PythonNinja: rxvt and derivates definitely can change definitions via x resources, but I'm not sure they have escape sequences for that |
| 01:06.02 | Guerin | i recommend purchase of a real computer |
| 01:06.19 | susanne---- | Guerin: I recommend that you give me lots of money. |
| 01:06.30 | jelly-home | seconded |
| 01:06.40 | Guerin | sell your crappy apple thing and you WILL have lots |
| 01:07.02 | susanne---- | What if I just dump the crappy Linux kernel with the unforgiving USB support? |
| 01:07.06 | mat-tina | jelly-home: As in "you have 7 color spaces and can set these to what you want"? |
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| 01:07.23 | Guerin | usb works fine on all my linux machines |
| 01:07.43 | Guerin | perhaps we could swap! |
| 01:07.45 | jelly-home | mat-tina: one colorspace afaict, but 16 colors to set |
| 01:07.46 | mat-tina | most terminal emulators can do that, but I think PythonNinja wanted to do this on a per-program basis |
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| 01:08.15 | jelly-home | mat-tina: the colorspace is still RGB ;-) |
| 01:08.54 | susanne---- | Guerin: It's that the drives I'm using have broken (Windows-centric) implementations. Without large sources of cash from people like you, replacing them isn't an option. That leaves either a kernel work-around or a more forgiving operating system. |
| 01:09.05 | mat-tina | :) Sorry. I mess up definitions. It should have said "boxes where you click to choose a colour". |
| 01:09.14 | jelly-home | I guess rxvt(7) would be the right place to look |
| 01:09.16 | DeFirence | how can i use -j MARK and -j DNAT at the same time in iptables? |
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| 01:09.33 | Guerin | susanne----: sucks to be you. |
| 01:09.38 | jelly-home | DeFirence: #netfilter ? |
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| 01:10.32 | Tramp | DeFirence: you can't. you need to mark in mangle/prerouting, then dnat in nat/prerouting |
| 01:10.44 | DeFirence | jelly-home: didnt know about that chan, but if its anything like #iptables... theres no one there ever |
| 01:10.47 | nosbig | I am having trouble with USB audio microphones on Flash Play under Iceweasel and official Firefox on Lenny. I am truly stumped. Any ideas? Better forum than this to ask? |
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| 01:10.58 | susanne---- | now can i tell how large my swap partition is, in, like, human-readable format? |
| 01:11.01 | DeFirence | ok, ty Tramp |
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| 01:11.44 | jelly-home | DeFirence: I've idled a couple hours on #netfilter today with another DNAT question, but have gotten decent suggestions eventually |
| 01:12.06 | DeFirence | ok, ty |
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| 01:12.58 | jelly-home | DeFirence: also got a pretty picture: http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/netfilter/packet_flow/packet_flow9.p |
| 01:13.03 | DeFirence | i thought for a simple question i would rather ask here, since it is not totally unrelated and i wouldnt have to wait a couple of hours before i can continue |
| 01:13.04 | marked | jim: sorry, missed your additional replies. I'm not sure what you were getting at, regarding authoritativeness... |
| 01:13.18 | jelly-home | DeFirence: add "ng" to that url |
| 01:13.34 | DeFirence | lol |
| 01:13.57 | DeFirence | ah ive seen the pictue before :P |
| 01:14.04 | benjamindees | susanne----, echo "$(cat /proc/swaps|tail -1|cut -f2) KB" |
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| 01:16.13 | marked | jim: the nameserver I was trying to AXFR is authoritative, I was just using dig incorrectly. Once i used the correct syntax, all was well. Is that what you meant? |
| 01:16.52 | jelly-home | wtf does cut use as a separator, I'd expect cut -f3 or awk '{print $3}' |
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| 01:19.44 | benjamindees | jelly-home, I thought it was any whitespace but, apparently, tab. |
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| 01:20.42 | jim | marked: hmm... |
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| 01:21.24 | jim | I'm trying to remember whether axfr would work on any given server referred to if you don't specify the server |
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| 01:22.16 | p_masho | which "image" shall I do my new server with (remote online) ? etch 4.0 or Ubuntu 6.06 ? |
| 01:22.18 | jim | the simplest case would be the axfr would be sent to the dns returned by the root servers and recursively down the line |
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| 01:22.46 | jim | continuing said simple case, other than that, you specify the server and the axfr would apply to that |
| 01:23.00 | jelly-home | benjamindees: the kernel maintainer looks a bit schizo there, mixing spaces and tabs in a single line of output |
| 01:23.32 | marked | jim: that seems to be the case. when I ommitted the @server, it failed with NOAUTH and my master nameserver logged nothing, presumably because it was never contacted. |
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| 01:23.32 | jim | so there's a big chance that if you don't specify the server, the axfr would be denied by the server you did get |
| 01:23.40 | jelly-home | p_masho: you're asking #debian. what answer do you honestly expect? |
| 01:23.58 | benjamindees | jelly-home, heh yeah |
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| 01:24.26 | jim | posssibly the server that was originally contacted without specifying one, is the one in resolv.conf |
| 01:24.47 | marked | jim: which is totally fine. I don't care about that. I was confused by editdns.net failing with the same error with a new slave domain, but that was becuase it hadn't updated itself yet. Now its working. |
| 01:25.10 | jim | great |
| 01:25.16 | jelly-home | replaces benjamindees's command with awk '///{print $3" KB"}' /proc/swaps |
| 01:25.30 | marked | jim: everything works. I just want to have axfr from anywhere that properly requests it. thanks :) |
| 01:27.27 | jim | you'll have to think about which servers you want to have do the axfr in response to client requests, and which client IPs you want those servers to allow |
| 01:28.10 | jim | servers you don't own/control have a very low probability these days to allow axfr to anyone |
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| 01:28.54 | w00fa | why can't I get identd running? I changed runlevel to 3, inetd is running and ident is specified inside |
| 01:29.22 | jim | telnet to the identd port on that machine |
| 01:29.30 | jim | see if it connects |
| 01:29.35 | jelly-home | w00fa: are you behind a nat? |
| 01:30.26 | w00fa | jelly-home, a router ? |
| 01:30.29 | jim | other than that, find the log file that shows identd activity and read that activity |
| 01:31.04 | w00fa | jim, it doesnt |
| 01:31.28 | jim | doesn't connect? what does it say exactly? |
| 01:31.36 | w00fa | could not resolve 217.132.216.152:113/telnet: Name or service not known |
| 01:32.03 | jim | ok, tell the exact text of the command line you used |
| 01:32.13 | jelly-home | w00fa: use space, not : |
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| 01:32.23 | jelly-home | telnet hostname 113 |
| 01:32.35 | w00fa | that didn't work either |
| 01:32.39 | jim | why? |
| 01:32.45 | jelly-home | how did it not work? |
| 01:32.55 | w00fa | I used telnet and then open 217.132.216.152:113 and <space>113 |
| 01:33.17 | jelly-home | no. run the command "telnet 217.132.216.152 113" |
| 01:33.42 | w00fa | Trying 217.132.216.152... |
| 01:33.42 | w00fa | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 01:34.08 | jim | ahh, that's the answer, identd is not running on the machine 217.132.216.152 |
| 01:34.26 | jelly-home | your inetd is not running or not listening on that ip, or there's a firewall |
| 01:34.37 | w00fa | alright, I have 'ident' enabled in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 01:34.38 | jim | or, actually, nothing is running on port 113 of 217.132.216.152 |
| 01:34.45 | w00fa | and inetd is running when I lsof -i |
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| 01:34.55 | w00fa | and /etc/identd.conf says port 113 |
| 01:35.07 | jelly-home | w00fa: did you /etc/init.d/openbsd-inet reload after adding it to the config? |
| 01:35.22 | jelly-home | (mind the typos) |
| 01:35.24 | jim | which identd do you have installed? |
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| 01:35.43 | w00fa | I rebooted so I guess so jelly |
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| 01:35.44 | kcyn | hi |
| 01:35.59 | w00fa | jim, I don't have any specific daemon installed, I thought there was a built-in one in etch ? |
| 01:36.00 | kcyn | how to use Xframebuffer? |
| 01:36.16 | jelly-home | w00fa: grep ident /etc/inetd.conf; ps -fe |grep inetd; grep inetd /etc/services |
| 01:36.18 | jim | I guess that's possible, I wouldjn't rule it out |
| 01:36.43 | jelly-home | er |
| 01:36.57 | jelly-home | make that last one "grep ident /etc/services" |
| 01:36.57 | jim | supposedly inetd is running |
| 01:37.09 | jelly-home | I don't do supposedly |
| 01:37.20 | jim | that's what he said |
| 01:37.36 | w00fa | ident stream tcp wait identd /usr/sbin/identd identd |
| 01:37.36 | w00fa | root 2710 1 0 04:23 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 01:37.36 | w00fa | root 3212 3192 0 04:37 pts/1 00:00:00 grep inetd |
| 01:37.36 | w00fa | auth 113/tcp authentication tap ident |
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| 01:37.42 | w00fa | woops |
| 01:37.49 | jelly-home | my bad |
| 01:37.54 | w00fa | haha nah |
| 01:37.57 | w00fa | want me to pm it ? |
| 01:38.04 | jelly-home | I should have expected that fourth line |
| 01:38.10 | w00fa | auth ? |
| 01:38.17 | kcyn | WUUUHAHAHHA PWND!!!! |
| 01:38.18 | jelly-home | no, the grep one |
| 01:38.27 | jim | does there exist /usr/sbin/identd in your filesystem? |
| 01:38.38 | w00fa | ye |
| 01:38.44 | jelly-home | it's running, that's not the issue |
| 01:38.47 | jim | ok, so you have it installed |
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| 01:39.51 | jim | well let's see, maybe something's blocking it... can you ssh into 217.132.216.152 and try the telnet test? |
| 01:40.25 | jelly-home | w00fa: netstat -tapn |egrep ':113.*LISTEN' ? |
| 01:40.56 | w00fa | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
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| 01:41.16 | kcyn | anyone know how to add modules to the initrd with the lvm script?? |
| 01:41.22 | jim | so it's running |
| 01:41.29 | w00fa | apperantly |
| 01:41.33 | jelly-home | run it as root, please |
| 01:41.40 | w00fa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.43 | w00fa | oh |
| 01:41.44 | jelly-home | no, netstat |
| 01:41.51 | w00fa | sorry |
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| 01:42.12 | w00fa | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2710/inetd |
| 01:42.28 | jelly-home | you have a firewall intefering somewhere |
| 01:42.35 | lobak | hello |
| 01:42.54 | w00fa | mm my router perhaps ? but I added that port |
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| 01:43.44 | jelly-home | w00fa: is that machine's actual ip 217.132.216.152? |
| 01:43.50 | w00fa | ye |
| 01:44.00 | jelly-home | and the router's? |
| 01:44.18 | w00fa | both have the same IP what do you mean ? |
| 01:44.26 | jelly-home | they can't have the same ip. |
| 01:44.41 | w00fa | the router is 192.168.1.1 and this machine is .1.3 |
| 01:44.45 | kcyn | WTF??!! |
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| 01:44.58 | jelly-home | w00fa: so the machine's real ip in 192.168.1.3 |
| 01:45.20 | w00fa | I guess.. |
| 01:45.28 | lobak | i new to bash shell scripting.. i need to create a script that get user input in multiple line.. i mean like; echo "enter the input", and the user will enter, (first line)1(enter)(second line)2 and put the 1 and 2 into a file |
| 01:45.41 | w00fa | telnet 192.168.1.3 113 says Connected |
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| 01:45.46 | jelly-home | w00fa: you'll need to configure the router to forward tcp/113 requests from outside to that machine |
| 01:45.53 | w00fa | I did |
| 01:46.03 | cast | christ, why the hell did i wake up so early [1100] |
| 01:46.04 | jelly-home | it didn't work :-) |
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| 01:47.24 | w00fa | blah |
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| 01:49.21 | Tramp | lobak: simply call "read" twice (read line1; read line2) |
| 01:51.11 | lobak | Tramp: but how if the input is dynamic, i mean, we don't know in advance how many line of input user want to enter |
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| 01:52.22 | jelly-home | lobak: how will you know when it's finished? |
| 01:52.25 | Tramp | lobak: well, how is the user supposed to indicate, that she is done? |
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| 01:53.32 | Tramp | lobak: run the "read" in a loop, check for this condition, if condition, break else append line to input_so_far and continue. |
| 01:53.36 | lobak | when the user enter -1 |
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| 01:55.03 | lobak | thanks, i'll try it..hope it will work |
| 01:55.51 | linuxguy | hi there ...Ive just installed 4.03.what is thwe command i need to type in terminal for an update...and for installing nvidia drivers please? :) |
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| 01:56.05 | sploodge | How would I replace ALSA with OSS? |
| 01:57.11 | sploodge | (I'm using it so multiple apps can use /dev/dsp) |
| 01:59.12 | jelly-home | sploodge: what's wrong with multiple apps using alsa, btw? |
| 01:59.33 | sploodge | Oh, I can only get one program to use /dev/dsp at a time. |
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| 02:00.17 | jelly-home | sploodge: ah, so your apps don't use alsa api |
| 02:00.22 | sploodge | Yeah. |
| 02:00.34 | jelly-home | you can wrap them in aoss (alsa-oss package) |
| 02:00.37 | sploodge | I know. |
| 02:00.42 | sploodge | But sometimes it fails. |
| 02:00.48 | jelly-home | indeed |
| 02:01.17 | benjamindees | does your app support some kind of sound server? what app is it? |
| 02:01.18 | sploodge | e.g. Expression 'AlsaOpen( hostApi, parameters, streamDir, &pcm )' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 1066 |
| 02:01.45 | sploodge | No, it's only /dev/dsp. |
| 02:02.03 | poseidon | Is there a package for the nvidia driver? |
| 02:02.09 | sploodge | I just want to know how to replace ALSA with OSS. |
| 02:02.17 | jelly-home | sploodge: I guess you'd blacklist snd and use real oss drivers instead |
| 02:02.27 | sploodge | OSS was great in FreeBSD. :D |
| 02:02.47 | jelly-home | it was great in linux with some cards |
| 02:02.58 | sploodge | Oh, do I need the OSS deb package? |
| 02:03.25 | jelly-home | I have no idea where to actually find OSS drivers, sorry |
| 02:03.31 | sploodge | (I'm getting the one from 4Front) |
| 02:04.04 | benjamindees | ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/oss |
| 02:04.31 | jelly-home | very few remain in kernel |
| 02:04.34 | sploodge | Mmm. |
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| 02:04.40 | sploodge | There's no hdaudio.ko. |
| 02:04.43 | sploodge | >.< |
| 02:06.41 | linuxguy | hello?? |
| 02:06.47 | sploodge | How do I blacklist the ALSA modules? (I'm clueless at Linux) |
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| 02:07.03 | stew | sploodge: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 02:08.04 | w00fa_ | jelly-home, what was that... 113 quit ? hehe |
| 02:08.27 | sploodge | Meh, I'll just move /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base somewhere else. >.< |
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| 02:09.08 | jelly-home | w00fa_: if you're telnetted into ident, tell it, say, "0 , 0" (no quotes) |
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| 02:09.53 | jelly-home | sploodge: just blacklist snd, ought to be enough |
| 02:09.56 | w00fa_ | says error: invalid-port |
| 02:10.03 | jelly-home | w00fa_: it works. |
| 02:10.24 | w00fa_ | what works? then why don't I have a legit ident when connecting to say.. irc ? |
| 02:10.28 | sploodge | Or is there a way to disable /etc/init.d/alsa? |
| 02:10.34 | sploodge | s/alsa/alsasound/ |
| 02:10.40 | DeFirence | anyone know why ip route would return this: RTNETLINK answers: File exists ? |
| 02:10.51 | jelly-home | w00fa_: try reconnecting to the irc server in question |
| 02:11.52 | w00fa_ | mm apearntly you're right.. ident still says ~w00fa but it didn't ask me to enter a pass at connect |
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| 02:13.18 | w00fa_ | anyways.. off to upgrade the sys |
| 02:13.18 | w00fa_ | ciao |
| 02:13.36 | sploodge | So, how do I disable the alsasound service? |
| 02:14.48 | sploodge | Meh, I have to restart. |
| 02:14.50 | sploodge | Thanks. |
| 02:15.53 | poseidon | can you only use the nvidia one-liner if you've installed the nvidia driver before? |
| 02:17.54 | p_masho | yipeee.. got a new 1and1.com rrot server with debian;-) ... any tips for following |
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| 02:19.01 | DeFirence | !IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH |
| 02:19.43 | DeFirence | how do i install that? |
| 02:20.30 | benjamindees | poseidon, no but the nvidia one-liner is probably kind of dated |
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| 02:21.12 | poseidon | benjamindees, what do you suggest I do instead? |
| 02:21.34 | pobega | Is there a way to emulate a TTY inside of a Xorg environment? |
| 02:21.49 | benjamindees | poseidon, have you tried it? you need a non-free mirror. |
| 02:21.56 | pobega | What I mean is...I'm trying to run ZSNES but it won't run in X (Like it should), but it runs fine in a TTY |
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| 02:22.15 | poseidon | benjamindees, I have a non-free mirror yes, but I havn't tried it yet |
| 02:22.28 | Hinata | How do I reinstall GRUB after installing windows xp? ^^' |
| 02:22.48 | poseidon | benjamindees, is there a better way is what I meant |
| 02:22.55 | benjamindees | poseidon, actually now that I look it should work. |
| 02:23.28 | poseidon | benjamindees, k thanks |
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| 02:33.22 | sploodge | I lost my ALSA kernel modules -_-;; |
| 02:33.40 | cast | :(' |
| 02:33.47 | sploodge | How do I get them back? |
| 02:33.55 | sploodge | (I'm running kernel-2.6.18) |
| 02:33.57 | cast | well shit man. you'll have to buy a new ALSA licence |
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| 02:34.21 | sploodge | Uh-huh. |
| 02:34.24 | cast | so how did you 'lose' them |
| 02:34.32 | sploodge | I uninstalled alsa-base. |
| 02:34.33 | sploodge | -_-;; |
| 02:34.36 | wd | how can i get my root login to have "color" shell like my user? |
| 02:34.55 | cast | so to undo that what do you think you should do :P |
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| 02:35.28 | jim | sploodge: did it want to uninstall anything else when you did that? |
| 02:35.28 | Guerin | wd: google `color bash prompt' |
| 02:35.38 | sploodge | Oh, whaddaya know, there's a handy sound-preoss.tar.bz2 thing. |
| 02:35.39 | sploodge | :) |
| 02:36.00 | cast | wonders what preoss is |
| 02:36.01 | jim | wd: sounds like you want to get comfortable as root |
| 02:36.21 | Guerin | jim: or he could be just wanting to make the prompt bold and red, like mine |
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| 02:36.54 | sploodge | Yay. depmod -aq made it all fixed. :D |
| 02:37.00 | jim | if you're going to do that, make sure you have some very good shell chops |
| 02:38.18 | wd | jim: actually i like how my username shell have dif colors like my dir's are blue. that's all i want to do. |
| 02:38.37 | jim | oh, you want color ls |
| 02:38.47 | wd | jim: my root everything is white.. i have to ls -l to make sure what a dir is. |
| 02:39.01 | wd | jim: yes.. sorry Guerin i meant that. |
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| 02:39.24 | jim | you can say ls --color=yes |
| 02:40.00 | jim | you can look in your .bashrc and .bash_profile to see how that option is made the default |
| 02:40.04 | wd | jim: in a file or in my shell right under root? |
| 02:40.07 | wd | ok |
| 02:40.35 | jim | well your user's shell is what has the color file listings, yes? |
| 02:41.27 | wd | jim: yes |
| 02:41.38 | jim | and that's what you want for root? |
| 02:41.44 | wd | jim: i have to login as user check around then login as root |
| 02:41.48 | wd | jim: yes |
| 02:42.04 | wd | jim: is it safe? |
| 02:42.23 | wd | jim: i mean it's just color right? for my dir's. |
| 02:42.46 | jim | I believe so; there's some reason I forgot as to why root doesn't do color |
| 02:43.02 | wd | jim: but i can? |
| 02:43.14 | jim | I don't see any reason why not |
| 02:43.20 | jim | but you can also ls -F |
| 02:43.38 | jim | that doesn't colorize, but you'll see the difference |
| 02:43.51 | wd | jim: hmm ok. i'll try it now. |
| 02:44.11 | jim | you'll at least be able to see which are dirs |
| 02:44.39 | Guerin | but you don't need colours for that |
| 02:44.46 | jim | true |
| 02:44.46 | wd | jim: sweet.. :) |
| 02:44.47 | Guerin | you can set -F permanentl;y |
| 02:44.50 | Guerin | or whatever it is |
| 02:45.05 | jim | you can set either or both to be the default |
| 02:45.17 | jim | what would you do, alias ls? |
| 02:45.27 | beardy | Check your users .bashrc and use a variant of that alias if you like. |
| 02:45.46 | wd | beardy: mean cp users .bashrc to root? |
| 02:46.05 | beardy | wd: No. I mean what I said. Check it and copy the line you want. |
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| 02:46.37 | jim | wd: no... find the thing in the .bashrc that gives you what you want |
| 02:46.43 | wd | beardy: so it's ok to have one line for root. gotcha. |
| 02:46.50 | wd | jim: |
| 02:46.53 | wd | jim: ok |
| 02:48.07 | jim | wd: as long as you're going to be spending some time as root (sounds like it), it's good that you're learning some tricks... I'd recommend strongly that you get very familiar with the shell |
| 02:48.31 | wd | jim: thank you sir. |
| 02:48.57 | jim | as an unrelated aside, there is ls -C and its opposite, ls -1 |
| 02:49.12 | wd | jim: i'm learning debian pretty well.. i'm coming form gentoo and it's slightly diff.. but i'm getting it. |
| 02:49.15 | DeFirence | ok... does Anyone know why i get 'RTNETLINK answers: File exists' when i try and add a route with ip route? |
| 02:49.20 | beardy | But get familliar with it as your user, you don't need to be root long enough to want colours (mostly). |
| 02:49.30 | wd | beardy: ok |
| 02:49.51 | beardy | !reference |
| 02:49.52 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 02:50.01 | beardy | You may find good bits there then. |
| 02:50.41 | beardy | dpkg meant aptitude. |
| 02:50.41 | dpkg | beardy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:50.56 | wd | jim: i printed the "debian bible" by steve hunger.. all 545 pages and went to kinko's had it bound.. :) |
| 02:51.29 | DeFirence | preys |
| 02:52.04 | DeFirence | lol, im gonna go to bed :P i cant see straight anymore its almost 5am |
| 02:52.08 | jim | wd: when you look at the context of a single machine from the perspective of being at that machine, the whys and hows wrt root don't change, and their relative import doesn't change... what will change how important it would be to have shell skills is what the machine is used for |
| 02:52.33 | wd | jim: k |
| 02:52.59 | jim | for example it's less important on a machine that lives in a virtual server that sometimes crashes maybe, and when it does you just blow it away and start over |
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| 02:53.32 | wd | jim: ok. |
| 02:53.49 | wd | beardy: thanks for link i bk markd it |
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| 02:54.25 | wd | jim: i was getting a little worried because in gentoo the wiki is awesome and i didn't find anything like that with debian.. lot's of how to's over ther. |
| 02:54.32 | jim | to look at the other side, if you're talking about a machine that's used for the email for a company of 5000 employees, that's a place where you'd want to be really careful, because the machine in that case is important |
| 02:54.39 | nite613 | For anyone reading this IRC log in the future, my X woes were finally fixed by specifying an exact modeline (output from gtf), a PreferredMode line, and then a DefaultDepth + Virtual lines in the Screen->Display section. This file was my reference, though I don't think it's right on its own: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11779441/xorg.conf.2008-02-05_H |
| 02:54.57 | nite613 | remembers to curse Dell for hardware that reports the wrong default modes... |
| 02:55.11 | wd | jim: :) |
| 02:56.25 | beardy | !wiki |
| 02:56.29 | beardy | !faq |
| 02:56.29 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
| 02:56.29 | wd | jim: i'm getting swallowed by your run levels.... rc0, rc1 rc2 etc.. why so many? |
| 02:56.41 | beardy | !runlevel |
| 02:56.41 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 02:56.45 | beardy | There can be only one. |
| 02:57.04 | beardy | That factoid is useless. |
| 02:57.25 | beardy | Debian uses runlevel 2, if you know what 0, 1 and 6 is, good, but you don't have to. |
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| 02:59.46 | wd | beardy: thank you so much.. i needed this.. omg. this debian bible i made is good but it's speaking about debian 2.2 1r, wait i'm using sarge.. omg.. i did all this for nothing :( |
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| 03:00.33 | wd | well it's good reading and an introdurction. i guess. lol |
| 03:00.43 | wd | introduction* |
| 03:01.32 | beardy | Yes, the reference is good. Not sure if there was a Debian Bible for Woody aswell (3.0), but yes, printed books aren't that great when they are too detailed on something that changes a lot. |
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| 03:02.05 | wd | smacks himself.. |
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| 03:03.16 | wd | beardy: well i have the bookmarks for the sites you gave me.. that will help.. i'm impressed with debian.. i have an oldworld nubus mac 166mhz/32mg ram 2g hd ppc debian sarge oh yea |
| 03:03.38 | wd | beardy: also toshiba satellite 100mhz/40mg ram 547hd debian sarge..oh yea |
| 03:03.52 | beardy | wd: Etch is the current stable, I suggest you update it if it's networked. |
| 03:03.53 | wd | beardy: i'm impressed.. seem debian will run on anything. |
| 03:04.18 | beardy | wd: On more than most anyway yes. |
| 03:04.36 | wd | beardy: i did but came back to sarge.. i had alot of kernel issued udev stuff errors. |
| 03:05.01 | beardy | wd: Whatever they are they can be solved. |
| 03:05.11 | jim | an se/30? |
| 03:05.27 | beardy | wd: Sarge will stop getting security updates very soon. |
| 03:05.28 | jim | oh, no.. you said ppc |
| 03:05.40 | kgod | wd: Ouch! |
| 03:05.47 | wd | beardy: i'm a gentoo user, couple of servers here at home.. and i'm going to have to say it.. umm... debian on same boxes speed wise..ummm..gulp.. is similar. :) |
| 03:05.55 | jim | did they just release something for sarge |
| 03:06.10 | wd | kgod: yea |
| 03:06.17 | kgod | wd: You're no gentoo user! |
| 03:06.19 | beardy | jim: The last lump update yes. |
| 03:06.24 | kgod | hands wd a rice bowl. |
| 03:06.27 | wd | kgod: not lately.. lol |
| 03:06.34 | jim | lumpdate! |
| 03:06.36 | wd | :) |
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| 03:07.49 | wd | kgod: i'm trying to make that switch but emerge is sweet.. and rc-update "foo" default is nice.. these darn runlevels are making my head swim.. lol |
| 03:08.09 | wd | but i'm learning and when i do.. compiling everything will cease.. yay. |
| 03:08.23 | jim | wd: gentoo I think was originally promoted as a dist where you could rebuild everything with any compiler optimization options you want |
| 03:08.28 | beardy | wd: As I said, Debian uses only runlevel 2, you don't need to bother with runlevels. |
| 03:08.35 | wd | jim: oh yea |
| 03:08.42 | wd | beardy: ok |
| 03:09.14 | Caelum | my terminal is fast enough, no need for compiler optimizations :/ |
| 03:09.15 | wd | beardy: i'm reaind about S20 and the higher numbers are loaded last? |
| 03:09.23 | wd | Caelum: :) |
| 03:09.28 | jim | so in that way, it was a way to experment with how the different opt levels worked and how fast they were |
| 03:09.31 | wd | beardy: i'm reading* |
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| 03:10.41 | wd | well if debian can run on two and count them ... two laptops where other devels told me to shove off their to old... well i'm just impressed. plus i read the history of debian.. i |
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| 03:10.44 | wd | like |
| 03:11.56 | beardy | wd: Yes. What do you need to stop from starting, or add, though? The package configuration takes care of it normally, and if you don't want something that are meant to run as a deamon to start.. then you don't want it installed at all, usually. |
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| 03:12.55 | jim | yeah, you have some things to get used to |
| 03:13.50 | wd | beardy: my pcmcia card is loading up i think late in the boot sequence just before my login and sometimes after.. i see it searching.. cardmgr, pc card services.. but then when the login prompt pops up then i'll see.. network conected and sometimes not at all. |
| 03:14.04 | wd | oooops sorry guys more than three lines... sorry |
| 03:14.25 | beardy | Three lines? |
| 03:14.28 | jim | that;s one line, well sorta :) |
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| 03:14.41 | kgod | wd: If you type it it's OK, and what jim said (for once agreeing). |
| 03:14.54 | wd | beardy: ok |
| 03:14.54 | kgod | jim: I think I've mistaken you for otherJim several times over the years, BTW. |
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| 03:15.04 | beardy | Yes, typing long lines are better than typing too short lines. |
| 03:15.09 | jim | which other jim? |
| 03:15.17 | kgod | jim: Not you. |
| 03:15.21 | kgod | :) |
| 03:15.30 | wd | beardy: :) ok.. i've been kicked for more than "three line" pastes. |
| 03:15.40 | jim | is that good? :) |
| 03:15.44 | beardy | wd: Yes, but then it really is three lines, that was only one. |
| 03:15.45 | num_l0ck3d | guys I have a question |
| 03:15.54 | beardy | Like |
| 03:15.55 | beardy | this |
| 03:15.58 | kgod | wd: That's automatic, and if you're on a slow connection and a bunch of lines get delayed, it can happen by accident on occasion. |
| 03:16.02 | kgod | !tell num_l0ck3d about ak |
| 03:16.04 | kgod | !tell num_l0ck3d about ask |
| 03:16.13 | jim | you have a question? |
| 03:16.32 | kgod | num_l0ck3d: We don't have answers, but we have solutions. |
| 03:16.32 | num_l0ck3d | debian etch is unable to deliver the proper resolution for my compaq C772TU laptop... it gives me 1024x768 only when its capable of 1280x800 |
| 03:16.35 | beardy | Two lines, instead of this one, which only is one, though it will hopefully span several lines on people that have a real terminal for their ircing. |
| 03:17.10 | kgod | num_l0ck3d: What's your video card, and what driver are you using for it? Sounds like you're getting xvga or svga only. |
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| 03:17.33 | num_l0ck3d | I am thinking of switching to lenny from etch |
| 03:17.38 | num_l0ck3d | will it solve my problem ? |
| 03:17.55 | num_l0ck3d | my graphics chipset is Intel media accelerator 865 |
| 03:18.04 | jim | finding out what your problem actually is would help whether you switch or not |
| 03:18.24 | beardy | Debian Etch doesn't really care about your resolution, your X configuration and graphics "driver" does. |
| 03:18.25 | num_l0ck3d | my problem is that with etch I am stuck with 1024x768 |
| 03:18.45 | num_l0ck3d | in ubuntu I get proper resolution... |
| 03:18.50 | num_l0ck3d | 1280x800 |
| 03:18.55 | jim | but that's the symptom... what is the cause |
| 03:19.17 | num_l0ck3d | I think my graphics driver is not supported in etch |
| 03:19.26 | num_l0ck3d | it is Intel media accelerator 865 |
| 03:19.34 | num_l0ck3d | my laptop is compaq C772TU |
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| 03:20.10 | beardy | Stop thinking in "boo this release version name number or whatever wont do this and that, so lets pump out a higher version number and hope for the best". |
| 03:20.33 | jim | so the next step is to find out what version and driver it was using in ubuntu and see if that same thing is available under etch |
| 03:20.41 | beardy | Which graphics driver are you actually using? |
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| 03:21.09 | num_l0ck3d | I have not compiled any ...I am just using the one which the distro detected |
| 03:21.30 | enouf | wd: export PS1='\[\033[01;34m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' in /root/.bashrc does nicely for me |
| 03:21.35 | jim | "debian doesn't support my (insert whatever here)" is an incomplete and probably incorrect evaluation of your situation |
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| 03:22.11 | wd | enouf: you still here.. do you sleep? :) |
| 03:22.15 | beardy | num_l0ck3d: Do you know the name of the one you're supposed to be using? |
| 03:22.22 | enouf | (and i think i also meant jim) |
| 03:22.30 | enouf | wd: nevAr! |
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| 03:22.33 | wd | :) |
| 03:22.43 | num_l0ck3d | I did not mean that, what I am saying is ... I am getting normal resolution while I am capable of getting higher |
| 03:23.02 | jim | well ok... so, the question is: why? |
| 03:23.02 | num_l0ck3d | but unfortunately I am unable to get higher resolution than 1024x768 |
| 03:23.03 | cast | $? \w\$ does good for me at localhost, all the other hoss have the username@hostname, $? is quite handy :) |
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| 03:23.20 | beardy | num_l0ck3d: You probably got the vesa driver from autodetection. You can edit your X config and select the one you need. |
| 03:23.20 | jim | num_l0ck3d: why? |
| 03:23.32 | beardy | We just said why. |
| 03:23.45 | num_l0ck3d | yes beardy.. I have seen vesa being selected |
| 03:24.06 | num_l0ck3d | my graphics chipset is Intel graphics media accelerator 865 |
| 03:24.12 | num_l0ck3d | which driver should I use ? |
| 03:24.15 | wd | beardy: just installed x window system, xfree86-common, x base client.. do i really need all that to run a wm? isn't xfree a x window system? i'm use to xorg and this xfree is diff for me but that's sarge. :) |
| 03:24.26 | beardy | num_l0ck3d: I don't know, that's why I asked. |
| 03:24.46 | jim | what driver were you using under ubuntu? |
| 03:24.52 | beardy | wd: Please do upgrade to Etch. |
| 03:25.05 | jim | do you still have that ubuntu runnable? |
| 03:25.32 | num_l0ck3d | intel8xxx something but frankly speaking I do not like ubuntu that much so I removed it.. debian's the one for me |
| 03:25.34 | beardy | wd: It's not that much different, and X.org also drags in a crapload of depends, but yes, you need most of it. |
| 03:25.37 | enouf | wd: in sarge it's /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 or something |
| 03:25.44 | enouf | !drxx |
| 03:25.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 03:25.56 | wd | beardy: alright, i'll try again, i remember it put xorg on and alot people who did the toshiba install used sarge so i'll be lost with the config file.. :( |
| 03:26.02 | wd | enouf: yep |
| 03:26.07 | enouf | XF86Config-4, iinm |
| 03:26.42 | enouf | wd: wait |
| 03:26.43 | beardy | wd: Is it so many trickeries on that machine? |
| 03:26.51 | enouf | wd: you have 32MB Ram total? |
| 03:26.58 | enouf | wd: forget Etch |
| 03:27.07 | beardy | I'd rather say forget X. |
| 03:27.09 | wd | enouf: 40.. the ppc is 32 |
| 03:27.13 | enouf | you need atleast 48MB |
| 03:27.15 | enouf | IINM |
| 03:27.16 | wd | beardy: i know. |
| 03:27.34 | beardy | enouf: Not to update, and.. that's horrible if so. |
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| 03:27.56 | enouf | beardy: huh? i think the newer kernels require 48 |
| 03:28.01 | beardy | enouf: Eh? |
| 03:28.09 | enouf | bee? |
| 03:28.09 | beardy | enouf: Don't be silly.. |
| 03:28.18 | wd | beardy: check this out.. a day without x..http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/05/21/a-day-without-x/ |
| 03:28.21 | num_l0ck3d | guys will an upgrade to lenny ...from etch may solve my resolution problem ? |
| 03:28.24 | enouf | beardy: ok, so rewrite the installation guide |
| 03:29.04 | enouf | beardy: oh, and don't forget to tell fjp over in #debian-boot on oftc |
| 03:29.15 | enouf | AFAIR |
| 03:29.19 | beardy | enouf: A kernel does not need 48MB. That's what I meant. Maybe the isntaller has become so bloated, and aptitude needs a bit, aswell as dpkg, but not the kernel. And you can still install with less, just not by using the isntaller. |
| 03:29.24 | jim | num_l0ck3d: knowing the correct video driver to use will solve that whether you switch or not |
| 03:30.02 | beardy | Again, if it needs 48MB for a base install.. yes, I do want to talk to that one. |
| 03:30.04 | enouf | beardy: well, ok - correct, however, i was originally referring your suggestion to upgrade |
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| 03:30.26 | num_l0ck3d | I am confused with that only jim :( my chipset is Intel Media Accelerator but I wonder what is my driver |
| 03:30.59 | jim | maybe the name of it depends on the kernel version |
| 03:31.17 | jim | and the x version |
| 03:31.20 | num_l0ck3d | I use out of the box kernel with etch |
| 03:31.30 | num_l0ck3d | all of the installed software are out of the box |
| 03:31.40 | jim | what kernel were you using with ubuntu? |
| 03:31.55 | num_l0ck3d | the one that came .. |
| 03:32.04 | num_l0ck3d | I used gutsy gibbon |
| 03:32.36 | jim | could you do me a favor, go to #ubuntu and ask them what the default kernel is for gutsy |
| 03:32.45 | num_l0ck3d | sure |
| 03:32.54 | jim | plus which version of xorg |
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| 03:33.30 | jim | hmm, maybe they can do all the legwork... tell them what video you have, and see if they know the driver name :) |
| 03:35.02 | num_l0ck3d | jim, I heard ubuntu's based on debian testing so I thought upgrading to lenny might solve my problem |
| 03:35.56 | jim | oic, yeah, that is good thinking... but still, we might solve the problem for what you have now |
| 03:36.18 | cast | num_l0ck3d: right about now i'd reinstall :D |
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| 03:36.38 | num_l0ck3d | hehe |
| 03:36.44 | jim | why? there's not a problem with it other than that, is there? |
| 03:36.54 | num_l0ck3d | no jim |
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| 03:37.13 | num_l0ck3d | it is just stuck with 1024x768 rather than 1280x800 |
| 03:37.28 | num_l0ck3d | other than this my debian system runs smoothly |
| 03:37.29 | jim | while that may be true, that -is- one of your choices whether you're having a problem or not |
| 03:38.02 | jim | there's a reason they call it free software... |
| 03:38.15 | cast | 'upgrading' from gutsy gibbon to lenny, umm. doesn't that land you in land of no support from anyone? seems to be asking for trouble at any rate |
| 03:38.18 | enouf | i can't believe nothing even close on Tuxmobil.org for Compaq C772TU or C772T or C772 or even just 772 .. lmao |
| 03:38.18 | beardy | And that isn't it. |
| 03:39.04 | num_l0ck3d | I am a new debian user (only six months) and I think its the best distro a typical home/power user can have |
| 03:39.17 | enouf | xdpyinfo~$ xrandr |
| 03:39.21 | enouf | gah |
| 03:39.25 | num_l0ck3d | it just does everything for me :) |
| 03:39.37 | num_l0ck3d | except for the resolution thingy :D |
| 03:39.41 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: pastebin what xrandr outputs |
| 03:40.13 | enouf | apt-get install hwinfo and run hwinfo --monitor |
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| 03:40.32 | enouf | lspci -nn | grep VGA too |
| 03:40.57 | beardy | Use aptitude instead of apt-get please, but listen to enouf. |
| 03:40.58 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: have you already done drxx ? |
| 03:41.12 | num_l0ck3d | no enouf |
| 03:41.20 | num_l0ck3d | just a second |
| 03:41.26 | num_l0ck3d | my laptop's booting |
| 03:41.28 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: please run that - ok |
| 03:41.47 | enouf | and select the correct intel driver from xorg |
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| 03:41.53 | Samonoske | hey everytime i try to install packages using apt-get install .. it asks me do i want to continue and then i press Y then it says abort |
| 03:42.11 | enouf | (whatever it's called, i810 or intel or whatever) |
| 03:42.41 | enouf | this http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/fb/intelfb.txt pertains to fb only - just some general info for ya |
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| 03:45.11 | enouf | if there is still a very persistant issue - i would like to comparre configs from ubuntu's kernel vs debians , egrep 'CONSOLE|FRAME|FB' /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep -i intel ... then drop that grep too |
| 03:45.56 | lea_w | After one of the recent upgrades, I'm getting the following error when I run "thunderbird-bin":calling "thunderbird-bin" gives me the following error: /home/lea/programs/thunderbird/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 03:46.13 | rgsteele||home | Good evening, all. |
| 03:46.41 | lea_w | Any clues what I can do to fix this? There doesn't seem to be a package that provides libmozjs.so, and that .so file also exists just fine in my thunderbird directory. |
| 03:46.45 | enouf | Samonoske: erm, is your Y key mapped properly ? |
| 03:47.28 | enouf | Samonoske: funky locales? .. odd keymaps? |
| 03:47.35 | linuxguy | hi there.....Ive just installed 4.03..and ive used a mirror during install......do i need to do an update? |
| 03:47.36 | lea_w | Samonoske: --yes might be a workaround for now. |
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| 03:47.48 | rgsteele||home | I've got a Sarge server (yeah, I know I need to upgrade), with a USB printer attached (a HP Laserjet 4P). I have a weird issue where if I power off the printer, and turn it back on, I can't print any longer. The logs show that the system thinks the USB ports are busy. If I unplug the USB cable, plug it back in, and use the CUPS web interface to stop and restart the printer, it works. |
| 03:48.03 | Samonoske | enouf when i type Y the Y appears in the area...so i think it is mapped correctly...I'm using putty btw. on ssh |
| 03:48.08 | Samonoske | lea_w okay let me try |
| 03:48.20 | linuxguy | ?? |
| 03:48.22 | enouf | putty? oh ffs |
| 03:48.56 | Samonoske | ffs? |
| 03:48.58 | enouf | lea_w: debian uses iceweasel |
| 03:49.04 | rgsteele||home | I'm not sure if this is a bug in CUPS (the state of printing affairs in Linux has always been dicey), or a bug in the lower level Debian system drivers. |
| 03:49.22 | enouf | why do you need a xxxxx.xx file from a debian pkg? |
| 03:49.52 | rgsteele||home | I can always follow the above procedure to get the printer to do it's thing, but $tech-illiterate-mother isn't so capable. |
| 03:50.06 | enouf | rgsteele||home: good eve - i have no idea about printing issues .. really |
| 03:50.36 | rgsteele||home | enouf: Don't worry - even the most avid Linux users (myself included) know that printing in Linux is an adventure :) |
| 03:50.43 | beardy | rgsteele||home: It would be in _Linux_ if it is. And, it probably is, atleast not CUPS. |
| 03:51.17 | beardy | rgsteele||home: So disconencting and connecting isn't enough? You really have to go through CUPS? |
| 03:51.22 | lea_w | enouf: I know, but I'm using my own copy. Downloading and unpacking a new copy of Thunderbird 2.0.14 fixed it though. Interesting. :) |
| 03:51.27 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Eh? So you think CUPS is not the culprit? I suppose I could always test this by using 'lpr'. |
| 03:51.38 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Yeah, I have to unplug the USB cable, plug it back in, then stop and restart in CUPS. |
| 03:51.50 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Not regarding your USB workings.. no. |
| 03:52.08 | enouf | rgsteele||home: that sounds like a hotplug/udev issue |
| 03:52.22 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Yeah, the CUPS logs show that if I power the printer off, then power it back on, it thinks the USB device is busy and fails. |
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| 03:52.40 | enouf | rgsteele||home: is dpkg -l udev |
| 03:53.01 | Shadow_mil | How do I figure out what package installed a file? |
| 03:53.02 | rgsteele||home | enouf: Just did that. Package doesn't exist on the system. |
| 03:53.18 | beardy | rpedro__: And if you reconnect the cable before switching it on? |
| 03:53.24 | enouf | rgsteele||home: ok, well sarge allows for old udev, like .053 or something |
| 03:53.34 | enouf | but i'm not sure it's used |
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| 03:53.49 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Was that really directed at rpedro__ , or me? |
| 03:53.55 | beardy | Oh.. |
| 03:54.00 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Yes, at you. |
| 03:54.15 | enouf | lea_w: ok |
| 03:54.31 | rgsteele||home | enouf: I don't even have any udev packages installed. It's my own personal server though, so I am not opposed to being adventurous and installing it to see if it solves any problems. |
| 03:54.42 | rgsteele||home | But I'm not sure that installing it will actually change anything. |
| 03:54.51 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Any reason why you aren't upgrading? |
| 03:55.15 | beardy | rgsteele||home: A newer udev, and kernel, would not be worse anyway.. |
| 03:55.19 | rgsteele||home | beardy: I can't say I've tried reconnecting the cable before switching it on. Shame on me for not gathering that evidence. |
| 03:55.28 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Yeah, an upgrade certainly is due. |
| 03:55.29 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Have a try. |
| 03:55.48 | rgsteele||home | beardy: I'll have to try that tomorrow. Right now I'm 7 beers down and feeling kinda lazy :) |
| 03:56.03 | rgsteele||home | And, there really isn't any excuse for not having upgraded yet. |
| 03:56.10 | enouf | rgsteele||home: well please read all the release notes around it - i recall upgrading within sarge to testing made me REMOVE "hotplug" completerly and installed udev (and hal and dbus ?) |
| 03:56.22 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Atleast that procedure would be easier for nontech-mother. |
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| 03:56.56 | enouf | rgsteele||home: 7 beers is not the time you want to tackle unknowns ;-) so wait - read up - return when you're sober ;-) |
| 03:56.58 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Yes, as enouf said. /msg dpkg etch->sarge first. |
| 03:57.04 | Shadow_mil | How do I figure out what package installed a file? |
| 03:57.18 | rgsteele||home | is a sysadmin for a living, which makes any excuses for not upgrading null and void |
| 03:57.25 | enouf | rgsteele||home: also use -s for simulatiiion if yiu use apt-get |
| 03:57.33 | akt | Anybody running fastcgin on Debian etch? I'm having trouble setting up. could you help? |
| 03:58.00 | rgsteele||home | enouf: Agreed. I just thought it sounded fun to broach the subject ATM. |
| 03:58.04 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Start using aptitude if you are using apt-get now.. all in the release notes. |
| 03:58.06 | num_l0ck3d | enouf, my lspci -nn | grep VGA gives -> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller (0300): Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (8086:2a02) (rev 03) |
| 03:58.11 | enouf | rgsteele||home: sure |
| 03:58.26 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Yeah, I'm a habitual apt-get user. I should really get on the aptitude boat. |
| 03:58.52 | rgsteele||home | beardy: I know that aptitude is a little smarter in how it handles things. |
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| 03:59.12 | rgsteele||home | At my new job, though, I've been forced to admin Fedora/RHEL. |
| 03:59.20 | rgsteele||home | I can't tell you how painful yum and rpm are. |
| 03:59.24 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Yes. And a nice interactive TUI interface. |
| 03:59.46 | slackd00d | i hate yum and rpm |
| 03:59.57 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Poor you. Yes.. I've had to do labexersices using it.. sickening. |
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| 04:00.20 | rgsteele||home | beardy: It's awful. It makes me really appreciate apt. |
| 04:00.29 | rgsteele||home | It makes me a more efficient systems administrator. |
| 04:00.47 | rgsteele||home | I'll refrain from an anti-yum and anti-rpm rant, though :) |
| 04:00.49 | slackd00d | rgsteele||home: try unsing slackwares package management |
| 04:00.53 | Shadow_mil | I think.... |
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| 04:01.01 | Shadow_mil | I found a issue in a package |
| 04:01.07 | Shadow_mil | But I am not sure |
| 04:01.25 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Still in college? |
| 04:01.31 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Probably for the best, as you'd be preaching and annoying the already long gone converted. |
| 04:01.38 | Shadow_mil | in the package libgcj7-dev, I think there is a issue |
| 04:01.42 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Still and still.. university. |
| 04:02.07 | rgsteele||home | Enjoy it while you can. The real world sucks. :) |
| 04:02.18 | linuxguy | what is the aptitude to do an update please?? |
| 04:02.58 | phorce1 | If grabbing fresh Lenny install DVD images only the first is actually needed, correct? (Using the torrents rather than hammering a single server for a netinst CD) |
| 04:03.03 | beardy | I've visited it. That part did.. :) That's why I'm here, trying to get papers on what I know to get a decent job in what I want.. |
| 04:03.28 | rgsteele||home | Using RHEL instead of Debian is the lesser of many evils. The last six months have been invested in fending off Exchange in favor of Samba/LDAP/Horde. |
| 04:03.39 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: wow - heh, no kernel module - hrm .. 1st time that's failed for any pci device |
| 04:03.54 | enouf | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=8086%3A2a02+pciid&btnG=Search <-- but maybe something within these results |
| 04:03.56 | Rusty1 | aptitude update linuxguy |
| 04:04.13 | rgsteele||home | My backup boxes (the ones with tape drives and massive disk arrays) are all Debian, though. |
| 04:04.17 | rgsteele||home | They never give me any problems :) |
| 04:04.23 | beardy | :) |
| 04:04.26 | rgsteele||home | Ok, gotta walk the gf to the car -- bbiam. |
| 04:04.32 | linuxguy | cherers russty |
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| 04:05.41 | linuxguy | rusty...thanks.....ans what about installing the nvidia drivers please? :) |
| 04:05.56 | num_l0ck3d | thanks enouf :) |
| 04:06.43 | rgsteele||home | beardy: When I graduated, I wasn't quite sure what I wanted to do. My first job was doing systems administration of Debian clusters. It was love at first apt-get. |
| 04:07.18 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Sounds like a nice job. Did you leave voluntarily? |
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| 04:08.10 | linuxguy | Rusty1, ....thanks....and do you know about the nvidia drivers please? |
| 04:08.14 | rgsteele||home | beardy: The company wasn't doing well. They had to cut resources. But, I learned an incredible amount in the realm of systems administration from a really great mentor. I realized it's what I wanted to do for a career. I've never looked back. |
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| 04:09.55 | rgsteele||home | But, I realized I was spoiled with Debian. The apt family of packages really, really makes me a more efficient administrator. I could go on and on about the benefits. I even went as far as to calculate the orders of magnitude (yeah, I'm a geek). |
| 04:10.23 | rgsteele||home | beardy: You go back for post-grad? |
| 04:10.25 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg please - and say no to kernel framebuffer, and select Intel (or i810 or i945 or whatever) |
| 04:10.29 | beardy | rgsteele||home: That's what I'm hoping for, sysadmin of some kind.. at some level, to begin with. |
| 04:10.58 | Shadow_mil | Can someone please tell me if this might be a issue |
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| 04:12.06 | Shadow_mil | nvm |
| 04:12.12 | Rusty1 | linuxguy: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 04:12.32 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Not sure about the american education levels.. swedish. But I'm taking mostly practical courses, have to go on a bit more to get bachelor's degrees and what all there is. |
| 04:12.32 | rgsteele||home | beardy: It's a really good gig - I thoroughly enjoy it. |
| 04:12.53 | Shadow_mil | wait... does someone here have libgcj7-dev installed |
| 04:12.54 | Shadow_mil | ? |
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| 04:13.30 | fantomas | Hi. May I ask BIND9 question here? It is in Debian, so... :) |
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| 04:14.04 | rgsteele||home_ | beardy: Most of my undergrad experience didn't help me wrt systems admin. I went to the largest university in my state, but the compsci degree I obtained was mostly geared towards software development |
| 04:14.39 | rgsteele||home | My sysadmin knowledge was mostly imparted to me by my mentor, and from there I learned how to grow myself in the profession. |
| 04:15.40 | beardy | rgsteele||home: That is, a lot of cisco stuff, one I'm having now is called "Internet services" which basically is to install a few boxes, of course usign fedora.. anyway, I am skilled enough I'd say, what I elarn is just to hate fedora, but, to get a paper on it, too. |
| 04:16.06 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Our main internal development servers are Fedora. I |
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| 04:16.30 | rgsteele||home | I'm not thrilled about it, but it is what it is. I can only cut over the infra so quickly :) |
| 04:17.02 | rgsteele||home | beardy: I don't have a ton of Cisco knowledge, but I am familiar with Cisco IOS - our perimeter firewall/VPN concentrator is a Cisco device. |
| 04:17.14 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Yes, atleast it is GNU/Linux.. of sorts. |
| 04:17.30 | beardy | rgsteele||home: I'll have a bunch of certifications.. when things go well. :) |
| 04:17.40 | linuxguy | OK....Im looking at the list supported for Debian \ nvidia fx5500.....am i correct in saying it (debian) does not support the fx5500? |
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| 04:18.03 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I double click a jpg image file, gnome doesnt open it with gthumb? |
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| 04:18.40 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Heh. I don't have any certs. To be honest, real world experience is more valuable than anything. Well, up until the point where you're trying to be a CIO or CISO. |
| 04:18.47 | rgsteele||home | Then you need some more edumacation. |
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| 04:18.51 | gonzaloaf | better said, how can I tell gnome to use gthumb instead eog to open images? |
| 04:19.17 | beardy | rgsteele||home: I'm sure yes. |
| 04:19.27 | Shadow_mil | noone going to help me see if this is a issue? |
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| 04:21.12 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: What's the problem, again? |
| 04:21.34 | Shadow_mil | libgcj7-dev package... installs files to the wrong dir I believe |
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| 04:22.01 | beardy | Shadow_mil: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 04:22.03 | rgsteele||home | What version of Debian, where is it installing the files, where do you think it should be installing them? |
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| 04:22.18 | rgsteele||home | And, what version of libgcj7-dev. |
| 04:22.20 | Shadow_mil | Linux chuck-debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 08:33:59 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:22.32 | Shadow_mil | ii libgcj7-dev 4.1.1-20 Java development headers and static library for use with gcj |
| 04:22.35 | rgsteele||home | Ok, so I know what kernel you're running. What version of Debian? |
| 04:22.40 | Riotblade | Hi, I was wondering if I need to recompile the kernel to increase FD_SETSIZE? |
| 04:22.42 | beardy | Shadow_mil: cat /etc/debian_version too please. |
| 04:22.52 | Shadow_mil | 4.0 |
| 04:23.42 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: Ok, and what directory are the files being installed in? What files are being installed there? Where do you think they should be installed? (Use pastebin.com if necessary...) |
| 04:24.05 | Shadow_mil | But anyways, libgcj7-dev installs the Java development files into /usr/include/c++/4.1/ |
| 04:24.29 | Shadow_mil | And I think they should go into /usr/include/java or something |
| 04:25.00 | Shadow_mil | IIRC, but /usr/include/c++/* should be for stdc++lib |
| 04:25.22 | phorce1 | wishes the netinst images were available on torrents. I have my torrent client bound to my faster interface. |
| 04:26.25 | enouf | how is it possible that 'agp' is nowhere in all this hardware info? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/02/msg00155.html <-- very close to what num_l0ck3d has, AFAICT |
| 04:26.29 | beardy | Shadow_mil: Are you building something using it, that can't find it, or where is the issue? |
| 04:27.08 | Shadow_mil | beardy, no issue, its just not very.... organized |
| 04:27.45 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: If you think the package installs files in the wrong place, I'd recommend filing a report with the maintainer. |
| 04:27.53 | beardy | Shadow_mil: Usually things have good thought behind them, if you disagree with the package maintainer of it, file a bug? |
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| 04:28.10 | beardy | !bts |
| 04:28.11 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 04:28.16 | linuxguy | !one liner |
| 04:28.41 | rgsteele||home | linuxguy: !perl-one-liners-are-not-maintainable-don't-try-to-be-cute |
| 04:28.49 | rgsteele||home | Oops, did that just pop out of my mouth? |
| 04:28.55 | rgsteele||home | (Or fingers, as it were :) ) |
| 04:29.01 | linuxguy | >>please if someone could tell me what to type in terminal to install the nvidia drivers would be great......thanks :) |
| 04:29.13 | rgsteele||home | linuxguy: That's a very vague question |
| 04:29.27 | beardy | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 04:29.27 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 04:30.22 | linuxguy | crikey~~! |
| 04:30.32 | beardy | You asked for it. ;) |
| 04:30.45 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Glad you could clear that up. Every time someone says "one-liner", my mind goes to moron Perl programmers who come up with incredibly asinine, unreadable, unmaintainable, one-trick-pony scripts. |
| 04:30.49 | Riotblade | Hey, when I "ulimit -n" it returns 5000, but a program i'm using for the user is complaining about FD_SETSIZE. Is it a kernel restriction? The software i'm using doesnt have that defined anywhere in the source |
| 04:30.58 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Hehe |
| 04:31.10 | Shadow_mil | Well... I don't know if its really a bug or not. |
| 04:31.32 | Shadow_mil | It should not cause a issue... I don't even know if it will work any other way. |
| 04:31.34 | beardy | linuxguy: I haven't used it since.. long time, but it seems to be for Etch anyway. Good luck. |
| 04:31.49 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: You can change that. Man limits.conf |
| 04:32.16 | Ryan52 | /etc/cron.d/mailman-testlist has "*/5 * * * * list /usr/local/ass/configs/lists/bin/mailman-testlist" in it. I should be getting an email every 5 minutes. I don't. If I run "sudo sudo -u list /usr/local/ass/configs/lists/bin/mailman-testlist" I get an email. Why isn't the cron job working? |
| 04:32.22 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: Again, contact the maintainer. Speculating here is pointless. |
| 04:32.22 | linuxguy | beardy......ok.....why is it so difficult with debian to install....or ask questions about installing graphics drivers??........last nite i was given a 3 point insatll......m-a preapre something else and then something to do with nvidai........im not suprised im confuused!! |
| 04:32.26 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, yes, but it complains about it being 1024, when it's 5000 |
| 04:32.57 | Shadow_mil | rgsteele||home, how do I contact the maintainer? Email, or fill out a bug report? Open letter? |
| 04:33.06 | beardy | linuxguy: You should have saved what you were told then.. |
| 04:33.17 | linuxguy | why cat it be as simp-le as this pacman Sy- c nvidia ?? |
| 04:33.30 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: Scroll up. beardy explained it. |
| 04:33.34 | beardy | Ask nVidia. |
| 04:33.57 | linuxguy | bearsy......I was on a windows pc then......saw it beforre i went to work |
| 04:34.02 | rgsteele||home | linuxguy: It's not that difficult. I've done it many times. |
| 04:34.24 | rgsteele||home | And, the challenges are not specific to Debian. |
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| 04:34.53 | rgsteele||home | linuxguy: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:35.00 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, any idea? |
| 04:35.33 | beardy | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 04:35.33 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia_post_etch was update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:35.38 | findlay | stew: sorry about the delay, but I defined LANG=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/profile and that fixed all of my locale issues including the really annoying gnome-terminal one, so thanks :-) |
| 04:36.19 | beardy | linuxguy: There you have one using module assistant. But, post Etch is.. Etch using an updated kernel afaik, so you'd have to be using that then, I guess. |
| 04:36.23 | linuxguy | typing this in install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:36.23 | linuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.43 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: After modifying /etc/security/limits.conf, you may have to restart. |
| 04:37.01 | rgsteele||home | I know that's the case with sysctl - it may be true for limits as well. |
| 04:37.04 | rgsteele||home | can't remember. |
| 04:37.06 | linuxguy | beardy........rgstelle........i just want to install the nvidia drivers |
| 04:37.25 | rgsteele||home | linuxguy: pastebin the error |
| 04:37.55 | Ryan52 | Who is supposed to own files in /etc/cron.d? |
| 04:37.55 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, ah... even though it shows up as 5000 in ulimit -n? |
| 04:38.05 | Riotblade | so there's no kernel limit for it right? |
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| 04:38.59 | linuxguy | >is thinking more like paste binning debian is the answer to my question |
| 04:39.00 | beardy | Ryan52: The one that already owns them. And you are much better off using your users, or if you have to, roots crontab. |
| 04:39.37 | beardy | linuxguy: Comments like that does not make more people want to help you. |
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| 04:40.07 | phorce1 | linuxguy: what version od debian |
| 04:40.13 | phorce1 | s/od/of/ |
| 04:40.43 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: What's your limits.conf show wrt ulimit? |
| 04:41.00 | beardy | Ryan52: root owns it |
| 04:41.55 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 04:42.19 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: Maybe I'm not understanding. If ulimit -n says it's X, what's telling you it's Y? |
| 04:42.20 | Ryan52 | I had root owning it but it was angry about the group... |
| 04:42.30 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, the software i'm trying to run |
| 04:42.36 | linuxguy | beardy......i find this outt..asking about installing nvidia drivers not a hard question.......dpkg wasnt very helpfull.......someone posted a messge last nite 18hrs ago saying tthe best way is to use a 3 step install ....something to do with m a prepare an install and setup......if i got those i would be fine |
| 04:42.39 | beardy | Ryan52: Oh, what group owned yours then? |
| 04:42.54 | phorce1 | is about to start installing Lenny on the new box. Core2 Quad, 4G RAM, GeForce 8500GT. |
| 04:43.07 | Ryan52 | my group owned it. Changing it to root fixed it. |
| 04:43.13 | cast | amd64 port i hope :) |
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| 04:43.20 | phorce1 | linuxguy: what version of debian |
| 04:43.34 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: What software? Package name? Version? |
| 04:43.47 | linuxguy | phorce 1 im using 4.03 |
| 04:44.13 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, it's not a really that popular gaming software. It checks for FD_SETSIZE constant which is never defined within the software itself. I've read that the kernel defines it |
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| 04:45.42 | phorce1 | linuxguy: so, did you even READ the one liner message from dpkg? Try reading just the first line (so long as you have a "stock" Etch kernel) |
| 04:45.57 | Shadow_mil | How can I list the packages a package depends on, and the dependencies of those packages, recursively? |
| 04:46.39 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: If ulimit -n <size> doesn't change it, you can recompile your kernel, editing /path/to/kernel/tree/include/linux/posix_types.h |
| 04:47.00 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: But, I'm not the ultimate authority on such things. There may be another way. Traditionally though, I've done one of the above. |
| 04:47.18 | linuxguy | phorce 1........yes did that tried to in stall it.....got this mesage E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:47.18 | linuxguy | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another pr |
| 04:47.22 | Riotblade | Alright, thanks |
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| 04:47.28 | rgsteele||home | And, I've only done the latter once, quite some time ago, when the kernel defined a really low FD_SETSIZE (iirc, in the 2.4.x branch) |
| 04:47.31 | enouf | Does anyone think "ask me about nvidia_post_etch" should be appended to the "nvidia" factoid? |
| 04:47.39 | enouf | or similar |
| 04:47.44 | cast | sure. |
| 04:48.01 | phorce1 | , on the other hand, always wants the latest nvidia drivers. stupid one liners NEVER work for that. nVidia is just a pain in the a.. |
| 04:48.33 | jelly-home | linuxguy: check for leftover dpkg, apt or aptitude processes. also, you need to run that as root |
| 04:48.39 | beardy | linuxguy: You have aptitude started? |
| 04:48.42 | phorce1 | linuxguy: that means something else was using apt when you tried -- or you tried without being root |
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| 04:48.59 | jim | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 04:48.59 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:49.22 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: Upon Googling, it seems this can also be set at the application level. |
| 04:49.27 | phorce1 | enouf: the !nvidia_one_liner factoid does mention it at the end |
| 04:49.32 | rgsteele||home | Not sure if you have access to the game source, though. |
| 04:49.35 | linuxguy | jelly-home, yes checkd that and i know about root |
| 04:49.52 | linuxguy | beardy...aptitude was fine |
| 04:49.54 | beardy | linuxguy: What nick did you use when someone helped you 18 hours ago? |
| 04:50.00 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, yeah, the application reads FD_SETSIZE off of wherever it's defined |
| 04:50.09 | Riotblade | it's not defined in the application itself, so I'm guessing it's the kernel definition |
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| 04:50.18 | beardy | linuxguy: Was fine? Well, if it's running, close it, it locks your dpkg database. |
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| 04:50.26 | enouf | dpkg: nvidia is also or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 04:50.26 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 04:50.39 | linuxguy | >>just ned now the 3 step installation of the graphics drivers.....not from dpkg because its crap |
| 04:50.45 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: You can also try echo 65536 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 04:50.48 | enouf | phorce1: ok ;-) nice to have choices |
| 04:50.50 | rgsteele||home | That may or may not help. |
| 04:51.03 | rhineheart_m | hi! what's the latest toy story (pizar) in debian? |
| 04:51.17 | beardy | linuxguy: It's not crap. Answer the question, which nick did you use? |
| 04:51.17 | rgsteele||home | The 2.6 kernels dynamically allocate that depending on your system resources. |
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| 04:52.23 | enouf | rgsteele||home: right - i recall it's based on RAM (and/or + swap) |
| 04:52.31 | enouf | at installation time |
| 04:52.34 | linuxguy | beardy.....ok...i used my root name for install |
| 04:52.59 | beardy | linuxguy: No.. I mean, when you asked for help in here 18 hours ago, what nickname did you use on here, on irc? |
| 04:53.14 | rgsteele||home | enouf: RAM, CPU, and perhaps swap |
| 04:53.19 | rgsteele||home | (not sure about swap, though) |
| 04:53.28 | linuxguy | beardy.....inwas on the windows box......it was robocop |
| 04:53.37 | enouf | rgsteele||home: cpu too? yeah? hrm |
| 04:53.50 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, I already have 357572 on that |
| 04:53.56 | enouf | haha |
| 04:54.10 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: Geez, I guess that trump 65536 :) |
| 04:54.24 | phorce1 | beardy: you keep a 24/7 log or have a way to search your scrollback buffer? |
| 04:54.44 | phorce1 | would like to be able to search the irssi scrollback |
| 04:55.12 | enouf | rgsteele||home: apolgies, i'm thinking of something else, perhaps even 'net' or ulimit related - there are 3 separate graduating entries i'm thinking of |
| 04:55.52 | enouf | phorce1: i got ~5000 lines - so the amount of hours varies ;-) |
| 04:55.57 | beardy | linuxguy: You asked for ati drivers then. |
| 04:56.04 | beardy | linuxguy: So what are you up to. |
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| 04:56.12 | enouf | or maybe it's 2000 - i forget offhand |
| 04:56.15 | Riotblade | rgsteele||home, thanks anyways, I think i'll just recompile the kernel tomorrow |
| 04:56.20 | rgsteele||home | enouf: Yeah, to be honest, setting it with 'ulimit -n <size>' has always worked for me, except once with an old 2.4 kernel, in which I edited that poxis_types.h in the kernel source and recompiled. |
| 04:56.32 | rgsteele||home | Riotblade: No problem, sorry I couldn't help. |
| 04:56.33 | phorce1 | enouf: my scrollback holds about 24 hours but I know of know way to do a regex search on the buffer |
| 04:57.04 | enouf | phorce1: ahh ... same issue here :-( |
| 04:57.04 | phorce1 | ewww -- s/know of know/know of no/ |
| 04:57.06 | rgsteele||home | phorce1: I log my IRC chats :) |
| 04:57.16 | enouf | yeah, i caught that :-P |
| 04:57.28 | kuber | hm. is there a way to set a sort of default second level domain for dns lookups? ie if im ona network with foo.lol.com , boo.lol.com , etc is there a way I can get a lookup of 'boo' to fall back to 'boo.lol.com' if the lookup fails? |
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| 04:57.51 | linuxguy | berady.....yes i know that.....i was told in another deebian channel to switch to the nvidia card which ive done, i was hoping that someone could tell me mhere the driver installation |
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| 04:58.07 | rgsteele||home | kuber: Set a secondary nameserver for lol.com |
| 04:58.14 | phorce1 | rgsteele||home: I log some channels like #linuxtv (some in here could use that channel as an example of how to be patient, I sometimes get an answer to a question 3 DAYS after I type it in). |
| 04:58.43 | phorce1 | rgsteele||home: #debia is too high traffic. I'd have to hack around with rotating logs. |
| 04:59.16 | kuber | rgsteele||home: hm. What I'm doing is connecting through a vpn and using their dns. At the physical network and on a vpn connection with my windows machine it works fine -- just not on my linux machine. same cisco vpn client software.. |
| 04:59.20 | rgsteele||home | phorce1: Usually, IRC is for questions that aren't too difficult. Those are usually best reserved for mailing lists, where people have the opportunity to mull on them for awhile. |
| 04:59.29 | beardy | linuxguy: Ok. But you have been told. The error you got, was because your package database is locked by another process. Find out which process has locked it, terminate that process (in a nice way) then try with the instructions you were given again. |
| 04:59.48 | rgsteele||home | phorce1: Unless your question happens to be in the realm of a channel member's knowledge. |
| 05:00.08 | beardy | phorce1: irssi rotates logs daily |
| 05:00.33 | rgsteele||home | kuber: So, from the winblows box, everything works, but from you Linux box... nothing? What's the behavior you see? |
| 05:00.41 | beardy | phorce1: (but that's not where I looked, elsewhere, but I'm not sure if it's intended to be accessed too much, so I wont link it here) |
| 05:00.51 | kuber | rgsteele||home: I need to use the full name to get the lookup to work |
| 05:01.00 | cizzi | \amethyst - got a few hundred users on my system now :) thanks for the early help last year |
| 05:01.00 | phorce1 | rgsteele||home: understood. But on Sundays ;-) when questions get asked 5 times in as many minutes ... |
| 05:01.40 | phorce1 | beardy: It does rotate daily -- but then I have to remember to delete the old ones or write a cron job to clen them up. |
| 05:01.41 | kuber | rgsteele||home: I'm guessing what's happening is for some reason the windows box is using the network's secondary dns servers, the linux box is not for some reason |
| 05:01.45 | kuber | even though the vpn config is identical. |
| 05:02.11 | beardy | phorce1: Yes. Depends how lazy, or how much disk space you have. |
| 05:02.19 | rgsteele||home | kuber: It's not clear to me what you're able to do on your Windows box that you can't do on your Linux machine. Can you not resolve anything on the internal network (behind the VPN) from your Linux box? |
| 05:02.50 | phorce1 | beardy: not lazy, generally brain dead lately. To many irons, etc. |
| 05:02.51 | kuber | rgsteele||home: I can resolve, but I need to give the full name foo.lol.com on the deb box as opposed to just 'foo' on the windows one |
| 05:03.19 | rgsteele||home | kuber: Try putting 'search lol.com' in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:03.21 | jim | kuber: add some suffixes to the search path |
| 05:04.00 | kuber | great, thanks :) |
| 05:04.04 | jim | do you really like lol.com that much? |
| 05:04.06 | rgsteele||home | kuber: Works? |
| 05:04.12 | kuber | yeah :) |
| 05:04.15 | rgsteele||home | Groovy. |
| 05:04.17 | phorce1 | does anyone know if it's possible to get fb working on an nVidia card during install so I can have some decent resolutions for my TTY's before I install X |
| 05:04.23 | rgsteele||home | moves on to beer #9. |
| 05:04.32 | beardy | phorce1: Geez.. |
| 05:04.35 | rgsteele||home | Maybe there's a correlation between boozing and problem solving. |
| 05:04.37 | kuber | is only on 3 but the night is young on the west coast |
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| 05:04.43 | rgsteele||home | I should propose that to $employer |
| 05:05.13 | phorce1 | has a bottle of DiSaronno amaretto sitting here, untouched so far |
| 05:05.21 | jim | phorce1: you could try vga=ask at boot: |
| 05:05.31 | rgsteele||home | Actually, the probabaly don't need convincing. We already have a wine refrigerator and a kegerator in the office. |
| 05:05.35 | phorce1 | beardy: heh |
| 05:05.41 | beardy | phorce1: I can never remember if vesafb is on or off by default, guess it's off now. |
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| 05:05.55 | beardy | phorce1: In woody it was on, and sarge.. hmm.. |
| 05:06.15 | rgsteele||home | Man, I still remember the Potato days. |
| 05:06.20 | phorce1 | jim: that only offers standard resolutions. I tried that first. Oh well, X is going to go on quick anyway |
| 05:06.22 | rgsteele||home | That's when I first discovered Debian. |
| 05:06.39 | rgsteele||home | </reminisce> |
| 05:06.43 | beardy | phorce1: But try giving it the "right" vga= option. |
| 05:06.57 | beardy | phorce1: If the kernel has it built in. |
| 05:07.16 | beardy | phorce1: Yes, it doesn't offer them, you have to know them. |
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| 05:07.32 | beardy | phorce1: /src/linux/Documentation/vesafb.txt or the like |
| 05:07.41 | kuber | Damn. This is so much nicer to be able to work from home on my deb desktop rather than my work lappy and a billion putty windows :D |
| 05:08.02 | rgsteele||home | kuber: At work, on my Windows box, I use Wintabber |
| 05:08.09 | rgsteele||home | http://www.wintabber.com |
| 05:08.19 | rgsteele||home | Makes managing the Putty windows easier. |
| 05:08.31 | rgsteele||home | Although, I also have a Debian box and an OS X box there too. |
| 05:08.38 | rgsteele||home | thinks it's good to be the sysadmin. |
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| 05:09.14 | phorce1 | really just likes seeing those 4 little Tuxes up in the corner at boot time on the new machine. Fired up Knoppix on it for testing. |
| 05:09.28 | beardy | phorce1: 312 for 640x480.. IIRC.. (I'm a 80x25 VGA textmode guy though) http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 05:10.27 | rgsteele||home | kuber: At the risk of being crucified, though, I've found Debian to be a bit limiting as my primary desktop machine. The Thunderbird builds, in particular, are a bit sketchy (especially the Lightning plugin). |
| 05:10.33 | Shadow_mil | rgsteele||home, beardy, how is this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480445 |
| 05:10.34 | Shadow_mil | :) |
| 05:10.55 | phorce1 | beardy: I used to be 80x25 all the way. Then I ended up having to use a windows box for a while and all my text-mode linux was via putty and those extra characters on the screen CLEANLY converted me. |
| 05:11.58 | beardy | phorce1: (I use 80x25 in putty) |
| 05:12.03 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: You failed to mention your version of Debian. |
| 05:12.10 | Shadow_mil | :( |
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| 05:12.20 | Shadow_mil | I followed the example :( |
| 05:12.27 | kuber | the nice thing about 80 col is fitting several terms on a screen |
| 05:12.36 | phorce1 | beardy: I never specified. Just loaded it and fullscreened it. |
| 05:12.37 | beardy | Shadow_mil: Other than that, it looks well formulated, and good. Lets hope the maintainer isn't angry. |
| 05:12.48 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: All is not lost. You're allowed to submit comments :) |
| 05:13.10 | Shadow_mil | has never filed a bug before |
| 05:13.46 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: There's a first for everything. |
| 05:14.10 | rgsteele||home | Live and learn. And then get Luvs. (Or something like that) |
| 05:14.31 | rgsteele||home | beardy: You said you're across the pond, right? |
| 05:14.38 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Yes. |
| 05:14.40 | rgsteele||home | Ever heard of a food called a 'pastie'? |
| 05:15.03 | rgsteele||home | I have a guy I work with who's British, who raves about them. He moved here ~8 years ago, said he hasn't found a good one in America yet. |
| 05:15.06 | beardy | Not really.. I may have heard the word, but.. something british, or what? |
| 05:15.07 | rgsteele||home | I've never had one. |
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| 05:15.15 | rgsteele||home | To me, it sounds like a dry pot pie. |
| 05:15.48 | beardy | Heh, ok, no, have to look it up, what is is myself. |
| 05:15.58 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Actually, which begs the question: If I'm up late, you have to be up *really* late. |
| 05:16.17 | rgsteele||home | It's 1:15am Eastern Standard Time in the States. |
| 05:16.28 | beardy | rgsteele||home: (Sweden) Yes, indeed.. one would say early now. |
| 05:16.33 | Shadow_mil | omg it included my name and email address... :o |
| 05:16.47 | Shadow_mil | starts looking for a new place to live and new identity |
| 05:17.04 | rgsteele||home | beardy: I used to do that in college. I was a WoW addict then. Once I graduated, I decided I needed a 40 hour-a-week job that actually paid me, instead of the other way arround. |
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| 05:17.22 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Hehe, yeah.. |
| 05:17.28 | Shadow_mil | rgsteele||home, Yeah, I just to be addicted to WoW |
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| 05:17.44 | clintchance | Anyone Familiar with Paypal Programing im trying to get post varables to transfer but no lck |
| 05:17.49 | Shadow_mil | <- Level 70 fully epicced Shadow Priest, or was, until I freed my self |
| 05:18.07 | Shadow_mil | s/just/use |
| 05:18.51 | rgsteele||home | <offtopic> Ah, I was an early adopter. I was a 60 Holy Priest until I quit - that was the highest it went back then. </offtopic> |
| 05:20.12 | Shadow_mil | <offtopic> Yeah, pre-BC I was holy as well, but they really buffed up shadow priest and made us useful in raids. So I switched </offtopic> |
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| 05:20.48 | rgsteele||home | Hm. I guess since it's so late, it's okay to be a bit off-topic. I just realized Mother's day is tomorrow. |
| 05:20.58 | Shadow_mil | :o |
| 05:20.58 | rgsteele||home | I've got no gift yet. |
| 05:21.09 | Shadow_mil | oh crap, oh crap, oh crap |
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| 05:21.20 | clintchance | Anyone Familiar with Paypal Programing im trying to get post varables to transfer but no lck |
| 05:21.21 | beardy | It's late in some parts of the world.. and yes, Mother's Day in some parts. |
| 05:21.35 | rgsteele||home | clintchance: That's an exceptionally vague question. |
| 05:21.38 | beardy | clintchance: No, and quite offtopic, in the bad way, here. |
| 05:21.41 | Shadow_mil | Is mothers day saturday, or sunday? |
| 05:21.54 | liable | sunday |
| 05:21.55 | rgsteele||home | Sunday. |
| 05:22.00 | Shadow_mil | pff |
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| 05:22.12 | Shadow_mil | ok good. |
| 05:22.14 | rgsteele||home | Which means I've got 22h 38m to get a gift. |
| 05:22.16 | Shadow_mil | I got 1 more day |
| 05:22.19 | beardy | Sunday everywhere, but last Sunday of the month here, instead of second, or what it becomes, for you. |
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| 05:22.49 | rgsteele||home | beardy: Sweden makes mothers day the last Sunday in May? |
| 05:23.00 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Yes. |
| 05:23.01 | Shadow_mil | Its 1:22 AM here, and my "tomorrow" I thought you meant Saturday |
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| 05:23.27 | rgsteele||home | Shadow_mil: Ah, a US East Coaster as well? |
| 05:23.34 | Shadow_mil | nods |
| 05:23.40 | beardy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother's_Day |
| 05:23.44 | rgsteele||home | Whereabouts? |
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| 05:24.31 | rgsteele||home | That was directed at you, Shadow_mil |
| 05:25.50 | rgsteele||home | Ah, and in slightly old new, but still just as amusing: http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/05/09/1258229.shtml |
| 05:26.00 | rgsteele||home | s/old new/old news/ |
| 05:27.22 | Shadow_mil | rgsteele||home, NC |
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| 05:27.29 | Shadow_mil | rgsteele||home, you? |
| 05:27.43 | rgsteele||home | Delaware. My girlfriend's aunt lives in Kill Devil Hills, though. |
| 05:27.50 | rgsteele||home | Was there last year. |
| 05:28.22 | Shadow_mil | I went there one summer of a vacation |
| 05:28.22 | beardy | rgsteele||home: Shadow_mil: There is a #debian-offtopic, in case someone thinks it becomes too unfocused. Now it seems quiet here anyway, so just FYI. |
| 05:28.38 | rhineheart_m | can sudo be installed in debian machine? |
| 05:28.47 | Shadow_mil | rhineheart_m, yes |
| 05:28.47 | beardy | rhineheart_m: Of course. |
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| 05:28.51 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: Sure. |
| 05:28.57 | dimir | Morning! |
| 05:29.12 | rgsteele||home | By the way, for anyone interested in the off-topic convo, I am hopping over there for that as beardy suggested. |
| 05:29.35 | rgsteele||home | dimir: Morning. Man, it is early here. But, beardy has outlasted us all :) |
| 05:29.54 | Shadow_mil | rgsteele||home, or what, you get beaten with a stick? ;) |
| 05:29.58 | dimir | 8:29 here. :-) |
| 05:30.10 | rgsteele||home | dimir: 1:29 here. You're across the pond. |
| 05:30.18 | Caelum | 22:30 here |
| 05:30.23 | grendal_prime | ok guys refresh my memory..new box...gateway has xorg installed on it..but when i try and fire off firefox through ssh connection i get gtk error...umm this one (firefox-bin:10740): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: Now i know this has something to do with x11 forwarding on the machine..it is enabled in the sshd_config..whatelse do i need to do to get this to work? |
| 05:30.23 | dimir | Surely. |
| 05:30.47 | rgsteele||home | grendal_prime: Try 'xhost +' |
| 05:30.54 | valdyn | grendal_prime: ssh -X on the client |
| 05:31.00 | valdyn | grendal_prime: and dont use xhost |
| 05:31.01 | grendal_prime | ooooo damn it..thanks |
| 05:31.02 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 05:31.02 | Caelum | grendal_prime: you need to tell ssh to do X forwarding too |
| 05:31.08 | rgsteele||home | It's basically because you're loggedin as one user, and in a shell as another. |
| 05:31.48 | rgsteele||home | grendal_prime: You may also have to do something like "export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 05:31.53 | rgsteele||home | Or something similar. |
| 05:32.03 | rgsteele||home | Youll have to see what display you're using. |
| 05:32.11 | rgsteele||home | And, that syntax might be slightly off. |
| 05:32.13 | rgsteele||home | But it's close |
| 05:32.17 | grendal_prime | i cant believe i forgot that.. |
| 05:32.25 | grendal_prime | rgsteele||home: no on that.. |
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| 05:32.53 | rgsteele||home | grendal_prime: *shrug* It's 1:30am and I'm 9 beers down. Take advice with caution. |
| 05:33.25 | grendal_prime | well im working on my 3rd rum and coke...so..we should have this fkr locked here in no time bro!!! |
| 05:34.08 | rgsteele||home | valdyn: Good morning (?) |
| 05:34.20 | valdyn | rgsteele||home: yea |
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| 05:34.43 | jim | 9 beers down and 81 to go? :) |
| 05:35.17 | rgsteele||home | jim: My (currently rudimentary) math says I've got two left, plus the almost full one I'm drinking now :) |
| 05:35.20 | valdyn | Sat May 10 07:35:00 CEST 2008 |
| 05:35.37 | beardy | Same as above. |
| 05:35.42 | rgsteele||home | valdyn: Early bird. By that time tomorrow here, I'll probably be passed out or hung over. |
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| 05:36.45 | grendal_prime | and really rgsteele||home a locked up broke ass router is what these folks should expect for asking us + size cranial mass heads to do sysadmin on a friday night when really we should be playing tremulose with the rug rats and banging the old lady for a midnight snack right? |
| 05:37.22 | jim | so instead of 9 down and 9^2 to go, it's 9 down and 9^0.5 to go :) |
| 05:37.24 | grendal_prime | i mean...really...who can argue that on a fizday night ...for shizzle. |
| 05:37.41 | rhineheart_m | can anybody here suggest a tutorial link for securing ssh logins? |
| 05:37.49 | rgsteele||home | grendal_prime: Man, it had better be *really* important for me to sysadmin at this hour on a Friday/Saturday. I do it for 55 hours a week already. |
| 05:37.55 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: why do you think you need to secure it? |
| 05:38.08 | grendal_prime | fail2ban rhineheart_m |
| 05:38.28 | grendal_prime | thats a goodin... |
| 05:38.31 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: You can take a look at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/455 |
| 05:38.47 | valdyn | fail2ban is neat to clean up logs, i doubt it does much for security |
| 05:39.08 | beardy | Not much no. |
| 05:39.10 | rgsteele||home | valdyn: He may be talking about things such as restricting root to pubkey auth only, etc. |
| 05:39.12 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, nice question.. security is the main issue, right? just want to tighten it.. |
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| 05:39.33 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: its as secure as the key / passwords you use |
| 05:39.37 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: Google is your friend. That article is a good starting point. |
| 05:40.00 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: both, key and passwords have weaknesses, cant really claim one being better than the other |
| 05:40.01 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, are you telling me that ssh is already secure? |
| 05:40.04 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: But, public key authentication is a good topic, as is chroot-ssh |
| 05:40.07 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: so dont use weak passwords |
| 05:40.36 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: yes, its secure by default |
| 05:41.04 | rgsteele||home | valdyn: The protocol is, yes. But, implementation, not so. |
| 05:41.06 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, rgsteele||home thanks.. I'm asking you guys since I'm working at remote end |
| 05:41.06 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: unless you use login combos like "guest / guest" etc |
| 05:41.22 | rgsteele||home | By default, you can still log in as root via keyboard auth |
| 05:41.58 | valdyn | ok agreed, theres a point in disabling root logins |
| 05:42.29 | rhineheart_m | well, can you really say putty is a better way to achieve it? just have concerns with winscp.. in unprivilege user.. root dirs still readable |
| 05:42.33 | beardy | rhineheart_m: If you want to stop most silly and annoying bruteforce tries, run it at a different port. (This is not good advice, and only security by obscurity, and not to make you think it's safer, but it does that, removes 99.9% of all common bruteforce attempts clogging logs.) |
| 05:42.38 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: _both_, the login and the password shouldnt be to easy to guess |
| 05:42.55 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: PuTTY won't solve that problem. |
| 05:43.04 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: no, winscp and putty are just clients |
| 05:43.14 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: they're not adding or removing security |
| 05:43.17 | beardy | winscp uses putty's code. |
| 05:43.31 | rgsteele||home | == valdyn |
| 05:43.54 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: if you use a feature in either of them to locally store keys or passwords that obviously adds a potential attack vector |
| 05:44.02 | rhineheart_m | beardy, you're right.. but why it explores that rest of the dirs? |
| 05:44.25 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: because a local user must be able to access the public areas |
| 05:44.29 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: like /usr |
| 05:44.30 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: Many directories must have the read and execute bits set. |
| 05:44.44 | rgsteele||home | For the reasons valdyn just stated. |
| 05:44.48 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: you _cannot_ run a program that you cannot read |
| 05:44.51 | beardy | rhineheart_m: ? It's an ssh client, the directories the user can access with his shell, he can access with scp/sftp. |
| 05:45.01 | rhineheart_m | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.12 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: not all |
| 05:45.17 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: most, sure |
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| 05:45.21 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: thats _good_ |
| 05:45.24 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: Please look in to chroot-ssh. I have a feeling it solves the problem your'e worried about. |
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| 05:45.32 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: or what point is an ssh login if you cannot run programs? |
| 05:45.38 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, except for home dirs which are user speciic.. |
| 05:45.48 | micky | hello could anyone tell me the name of the package that contains "gmake" ? ( using debian etch ) |
| 05:45.49 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: or config files which are restricted |
| 05:46.02 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: but most files on a debian system must be readable by common users |
| 05:46.09 | beardy | !tell micky about search |
| 05:46.28 | rgsteele||home | Ok, I really need to play some GTA4. |
| 05:46.31 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: now - you could restrict this further, but this obviously limits what a ssh logged in user can do |
| 05:46.43 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, ah.. var dir can be read by default by most users, right? |
| 05:46.50 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: by everyone |
| 05:47.08 | rhineheart_m | why designed that way? confused |
| 05:47.22 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: it doesnt store secret information |
| 05:47.36 | beardy | rhineheart_m: Yes. And as said, if you trust someone to login and use a shell, you can trust them to read the files they can all the time, over scp and sftp too. |
| 05:47.46 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: How else would user FOO execute things like 'ls'? They must have access to /bin |
| 05:47.47 | rhineheart_m | but var/www can store secret info..' |
| 05:48.04 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: a common website is hardly secret |
| 05:48.10 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: If /var/www/ is the DocumentRoot of your webserver, it should not contain secret information. |
| 05:48.10 | micky | beardy so there is no gmake binary in debian.. ( as dpkg `s search says ) |
| 05:48.22 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: but if you hae an individual file there that is supposed to be secret |
| 05:48.28 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: And, failing that, you can make it user and group owned by root, and chmod it to 600 |
| 05:48.30 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: then you restrict that individual file |
| 05:48.30 | micky | beardy even thou i've used it before on a debian install |
| 05:48.51 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: But, please take a look at http://chrootssh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:48.58 | rgsteele||home | rhineheart_m: It may address some of your concerns. |
| 05:49.02 | beardy | micky: That only searches files and packages currently installed. |
| 05:49.05 | rgsteele||home | Ok, I'm off to play some GTA4 |
| 05:49.14 | beardy | micky: packages.debian.org, or install apt-file |
| 05:49.19 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, I disagree.. there are secret stuffs in var/www dir.. especially those config files which may contain database login infos |
| 05:49.30 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: rgsteele||home is giving you hints on how to restrict further, however you should first understand what you actually need to restrict before restricting it |
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| 05:49.44 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: those files get restricted individually |
| 05:50.17 | beardy | rhineheart_m: Those files you don't allow local users on the machine read, and thus, not when they login via ssh, or use scp or sftp either. |
| 05:50.59 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: just play with it, echo "secret" > /var/www/tes && chmod a--rwx test |
| 05:51.05 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: just play with it, echo "secret" > /var/www/test && chmod a--rwx test |
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| 05:51.20 | rhineheart_m | beardy, got your point. thanks... rgsteele||home thanks for the link... valdyn you are great too! |
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| 05:51.45 | rhineheart_m | btw.. do you use sudo valdyn ? |
| 05:51.53 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: yes, all the time |
| 05:52.00 | rhineheart_m | in debian? |
| 05:52.05 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: yes |
| 05:52.15 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, okay.. I will install sudo... :) |
| 05:52.54 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: mind, a sudo enabled account with a weak password is like a weak root account |
| 05:53.37 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, by default debian allows root login.. you disabled it? |
| 05:53.48 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: no |
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| 05:54.14 | rhineheart_m | ah.. you're just using an account with root power with by sudo? |
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| 05:54.39 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: im hardly ever logging in as root |
| 05:55.32 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: backup tools i use need root login |
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| 05:55.57 | beardy | rhineheart_m: I suggest disabling root login, and use su or sudo when you have to. Unless you really need it for something else.. like valdyn just said. |
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| 05:56.19 | debiannewbie | Joomla Festival Installation | manual : http://www.debian-id.org/downloads/manuals/Joomla_Day.htm | download: http://dl2.foss-id.web.id/aplikasi/joomla/joomla_1.5.3_all.deb |
| 05:56.25 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: the attack launched on ssh is bot machines that guess common login/password combos |
| 05:56.44 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: theres no way they will manage to break decent passwords |
| 05:56.57 | rhineheart_m | valdyn, beardy both of you have in common ideas.. well, why debian not designed that way like ubuntu does? if it is a security threat? |
| 05:57.18 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: it isnt |
| 05:57.39 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: its only a thread if you use weak passwords |
| 05:57.41 | beardy | rhineheart_m: As valdyn pointed out before, it isn't really.. a user with sudo ias as dangerous as root. |
| 05:57.43 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: its only a threat if you use weak passwords |
| 05:58.01 | beardy | rhineheart_m: But I still prefer disbling root login. |
| 05:58.40 | rhineheart_m | okay.. so no point of having sudo right (in intrusions side).. it's more on safe-keeping on server side by the user |
| 05:59.07 | beardy | Everything is a balance between security and convenience. |
| 05:59.15 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: sudo is for convenience |
| 05:59.27 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: you dont want to be the "attacker" |
| 05:59.46 | valdyn | rhineheart_m: but that is what most commonly looses your data, your own careless use of commands with or without root |
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| 06:00.00 | rhineheart_m | this is how I look at it.. definitely... convenience but not security from intrusions.. |
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| 06:26.52 | slackd00d | how can i make the system use gcc-4.1 when gcc-4.2 and 4.1 are installed |
| 06:27.45 | valdyn | slackd00d: "the system" ? what do you really want to compile? |
| 06:27.49 | icenine | slackd00d: change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink or specify which one to use explicitly |
| 06:28.27 | slackd00d | i want to compile nvidia kernel |
| 06:28.27 | icenine | slackd00d: in many Makefiles, you could do that by CC="/usr/bin/..." |
| 06:28.42 | slackd00d | but it says the gcc version is diferent than the one used to compile the kernel |
| 06:28.43 | icenine | slackd00d: well, just change the gcc symlink and change it back after. |
| 06:29.06 | icenine | sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 06:29.17 | icenine | perhaps with an -sf at your _own_risk_ |
| 06:29.57 | slackd00d | ok, thank you |
| 06:30.04 | slackd00d | im gonna try it |
| 06:30.31 | icenine | make sure that you are using the correct path to gcc-4.2 for the first directory name... do which gcc-4.2 |
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| 06:31.42 | wer0 | i onced had that problem... and exporting CC env var did the trick |
| 06:33.04 | wer0 | hehehe |
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| 06:38.56 | TheBigDDawg | where do I configure the processes that startup at boot time |
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| 06:39.21 | slackd00d | icenine, thank you. that worked perfectly |
| 06:39.58 | jim | TheBigDDawg: most of those processes are server daemons, kernel support daemons and the gettys for the VCs |
| 06:40.19 | jim | TheBigDDawg: what is it you want to do specifically |
| 06:40.56 | TheBigDDawg | disable processes that are turned on during bootup, portmap, etc |
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| 06:41.26 | msshams | how can i run .pl scripts in etch? |
| 06:41.43 | simonrvn | those are perl scripts. not restricted to etch |
| 06:41.58 | cahoot | TheBigDDawg: man update-rc.d |
| 06:42.12 | msshams | simonrvn: how can i run these scripts? |
| 06:42.24 | wer0 | perl <script.pl> |
| 06:42.45 | jim | well ok. direct answer, is you configure the run level either by adding/removing files from /etc/rcHERE.d/ (where you replace HERE with the runlevel) or you use the debian-specific update-rc.d |
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| 06:43.16 | jim | but, another way to disable portmapper (for example) is to uninstall it |
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| 06:45.55 | icenine | slackd00d: np |
| 06:46.00 | jim | if you want to add/remove the files yourself, you might become familiar with the setup. look at /etc/init.d/ (list the files there) and also read /etc/init.d/README |
| 06:47.25 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 06:47.52 | wd | to delete xdm from runlevel do i delete it from init.d or the rc2.d/S20prirint? |
| 06:48.03 | wd | especially since i removed xdm. |
| 06:48.25 | liable | if you remeoved it, the init script should have gone |
| 06:48.31 | catsup | don't delete the S?? links. either rename to a K?? link or delete from init.d |
| 06:48.36 | jim | if you removed xdm, it's disabled fairly effectively... you don't need to do anything else |
| 06:48.38 | catsup | liable: not true |
| 06:48.47 | catsup | the init script is a conf file |
| 06:48.55 | wd | jim: no because on reboot it failed. |
| 06:49.17 | jim | in fact, if you do try to remove it, it might confuse dpkg |
| 06:49.36 | catsup | it won't confuse dpkg, update-rc.d specifically supports the deletion of init.d scripts |
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| 06:50.16 | empiric | hi all |
| 06:50.23 | jim | wd: then try purging xdm |
| 06:50.23 | empiric | how i make shadow links in debian |
| 06:50.34 | jim | what is a shadow link |
| 06:50.40 | wd | jim: right now on reboot looking it says "/etc/rc2.d/S20xpront: ##fata error: unknown XprojectRoot |
| 06:50.49 | jim | that's not xcm |
| 06:50.53 | jim | xdm |
| 06:51.10 | jim | that's a completely unrelated service |
| 06:51.15 | wd | did i type xcm.. sorry.. |
| 06:51.22 | wd | xdm |
| 06:51.28 | jim | I typed xcm, sorry |
| 06:51.44 | wd | that too |
| 06:51.57 | jim | you said before you removed xdm, still true? |
| 06:52.12 | catsup | wd: apt-get remove $(dpkg -S /etc/init.d/xpront|sed 's/:.*//') |
| 06:52.30 | wd | i uninstalled/removed all x window system, base-clients, xfree and xdm still trying to load. |
| 06:52.55 | wd | catsup: oh my. ok |
| 06:52.58 | empiric | hey i want to make a link with root on user home dir then i change its owner ship to that user it should not affect ownership of original file |
| 06:53.00 | empiric | any idea |
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| 06:53.43 | jim | you wouldn't be able to change ownership without being logged in as roto |
| 06:53.45 | wd | /etc/init.d/xpront or xprint |
| 06:53.52 | catsup | uh, whatever it is |
| 06:53.57 | wd | catsup: ok |
| 06:53.59 | catsup | you said xpront |
| 06:54.08 | wd | catsup: man i'm sleepy |
| 06:54.11 | wd | sorry |
| 06:54.26 | wd | catsup: been reading all day :) |
| 06:54.27 | peterrooney | empiric: isn't that what ln -s is for? |
| 06:54.36 | jim | wd: so let's just clarify the part of the thing you're having trouble with... it's one thing, xprint? |
| 06:55.13 | wd | jim: sorry jim actually two.. i'm trying to tackle xdm first. sorry. |
| 06:55.25 | jim | ok, let's concentrate on that |
| 06:55.29 | wd | jim: ok |
| 06:55.32 | enouf | TheBigDDawg: some use a ncurses util like rcconf, if you want to easily toggle specific services (rc2.d) on/off |
| 06:55.48 | jim | first off, how did you remove the x stuff? |
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| 06:56.34 | empiric | no its soft link which share primarty link permisions |
| 06:56.39 | wd | jim: aptitude remove x window system xserver-xfree86 xbase-clients |
| 06:57.13 | enouf | softlinks all have the same full 777 |
| 06:57.20 | jim | oh, ok... you didn't remove or add anything yourself? |
| 06:57.31 | catsup | enouf: what?? |
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| 06:58.08 | jim | empiric: ln makes links... two kinds, one hard link, the other symbolic link. |
| 06:58.08 | enouf | catsup: symlinks are all lrxwrxwrxw .. no? |
| 06:58.09 | catsup | empiric: i think you must take a different approach than what you are saying (which, if i understand you, is not possible) to get what you want |
| 06:58.11 | jim | that's it |
| 06:58.13 | ootput | save |
| 06:58.48 | empiric | ok how i make a had link |
| 06:58.49 | wd | jim: i just removed the X stuff from my system and i'm going to use this lap without X / wm.. but the xdm is still trying to load up on reboot. |
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| 06:58.51 | jim | enouf: they start out that way |
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| 06:59.11 | enouf | afaik - you can't across FS's or partitions |
| 06:59.22 | jim | wd: so you used aptitude for all of it? |
| 06:59.31 | enouf | jim: hrm, guess i never tried to alter one |
| 06:59.41 | jim | enouf: right, because a hard link is an alias for an inode |
| 06:59.49 | catsup | hm, well, ls lists them that way... but they don't don't have 777 semantics |
| 06:59.49 | wd | jim: yes |
| 06:59.57 | empiric | see i want to share a folder which is owned by root to a user bu user cannot run that i need to change ownership but it then chanhe ownership of root folder too |
| 07:00.05 | jim | at least conceptually |
| 07:00.07 | empiric | i dont want that whats cure |
| 07:00.10 | enouf | jim: nice wording |
| 07:00.15 | enouf | works |
| 07:00.42 | catsup | empiric: you want to use a group permission |
| 07:00.54 | catsup | empiric: add the user to a group and have the group own the file |
| 07:01.04 | enouf | sounds like trying to force *nix to use a preconceived windows concept |
| 07:01.07 | wd | jim: yes i used aptitude for all of this. |
| 07:01.18 | catsup | and please don't say 'folder' |
| 07:01.46 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 07:01.46 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 07:01.47 | jim | (that is a fair way of explaining it, but it's actually better than that: if you have a file f, and you hard link to it with g, you can unlink f and then g will refer to the file |
| 07:01.51 | Shadow_mil | You might be able to use a hardlink to setup what you want to do |
| 07:01.54 | jim | ) |
| 07:02.18 | empiric | what is hardlink then |
| 07:02.20 | empiric | any idea? |
| 07:02.30 | beardy | !any idea |
| 07:02.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 07:02.32 | jim | a directory is the sign in the mall that tells you where the Popeye Chicken place is |
| 07:02.37 | Shadow_mil | empiric, a hard link is two inodes that point at the same file |
| 07:03.14 | empiric | sure can i cange its permission to different users |
| 07:03.23 | Shadow_mil | empiric, look at it this way, files are on a table, which include its name, owner, permissions, and location on the disk |
| 07:03.34 | jim | yeah, see, so my analogy does break down when you look closer |
| 07:03.37 | enouf | empiric: find /bin -samefile '/bin/uncompress' |
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| 07:03.44 | catsup | surely there is some tutorial to point empiric to |
| 07:03.51 | jim | grounding |
| 07:04.00 | jim | !grounding |
| 07:04.00 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 07:04.11 | Shadow_mil | empiric, a hard link is where you have two inodes, both with different names, owners, and permissions, but they point at the same location. |
| 07:04.24 | jim | so fundamentals |
| 07:04.28 | enouf | empiric: those are all hardlinks - they occupy/point to the same inode - ls -il /bin/gzip, etc |
| 07:04.29 | jim | !fundamentals |
| 07:04.30 | dpkg | methinks fundamentals is You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at ... |
| 07:04.35 | Bushmills | i think to say "folder" makes sense .. if somebody says he wants to access a folder, i know that he means to access a directory on his windows box, and direct him towards samba |
| 07:04.38 | Bushmills | well, smbclient |
| 07:04.46 | jim | oh gawd :P |
| 07:05.01 | jim | I didn't mean to deliver THAT message |
| 07:05.02 | empiric | true |
| 07:05.23 | jim | that sounds so accusitory |
| 07:05.33 | beardy | Bushmills: People say "folder" in here too, when they mean directory, so everyone should just say directory, which they mean. |
| 07:05.50 | enouf | Shadow_mil: bad definition of hardlink, IMO |
| 07:05.52 | empiric | say i make a link at ls -sf /roo/.wine /home/user/.wine |
| 07:06.01 | Shadow_mil | enouf, it gets the concept across |
| 07:06.05 | jim | but... when that factoid finally comes to the real point, it's good... read that thing |
| 07:06.17 | empiric | now i want to change permision and owner ship of /home/user/.wine to user:user |
| 07:06.24 | Bushmills | beardy: as i say .. "foilder" -> smbclient. if that's not what they were looking for, they should be a bit clearer |
| 07:06.24 | enouf | Shadow_mil: but it's not two inodes (or 3 or 4 or ...) |
| 07:06.25 | empiric | can i do it trough hard link |
| 07:07.00 | jim | empiric: man chown |
| 07:07.05 | enouf | Shadow_mil: the dir entry inode contains the 'names' of the hardlinks |
| 07:07.10 | empiric | no no see |
| 07:07.13 | catsup | empiric: you don't want to do that |
| 07:07.18 | empiric | why |
| 07:07.21 | catsup | empiric: you don't want to have users writing into root's .wine |
| 07:07.35 | empiric | i want to make that link on every user with user ownership |
| 07:07.36 | catsup | you don't want to run wine as root at all |
| 07:07.39 | Shadow_mil | enouf, it gets the concept across, he does not need to fully understand the technical details. Just the idea that two files can point to the same data. |
| 07:07.48 | empiric | no no |
| 07:08.05 | beardy | empiric: Just copy it to the users that should have it. (Why you have that under root is scary and strange though.) |
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| 07:08.09 | empiric | its their won copy only i want to have installed in one dir and all user share them |
| 07:08.11 | wd | jim: so should i del xdm from the init.d or rc.2 |
| 07:08.11 | empiric | simply |
| 07:08.16 | empiric | to save disk space |
| 07:08.17 | catsup | empiric: i know what you want. but please don't use root... you want to make a group for your users, and chown the files to the group, and add the users to the group |
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| 07:08.31 | jim | wd: try dpkg --purge xdm |
| 07:08.39 | gloin | weird. I can't install build-essential |
| 07:08.40 | enouf | i still have no idea what he actually wants to accomplisg |
| 07:08.46 | gloin | gets to g++ error |
| 07:08.46 | gloin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.51 | gloin | that's on an etch box |
| 07:08.52 | empiric | ok |
| 07:08.53 | empiric | ill try |
| 07:08.56 | empiric | thanks |
| 07:08.57 | gloin | which is otherwise healthy |
| 07:09.00 | catsup | empiric: ok, the users can't have their own copy, and you still save disk space by sharing a copy... |
| 07:09.06 | Shadow_mil | enouf, he wants to be able to install a application in wine, and have it installed for all users |
| 07:09.09 | gloin | meep, help? |
| 07:09.18 | jim | empiric: you're trading disk space for a LOT of SERIOUS problems and I'm pretty sure that you don't want serious problems :) |
| 07:09.21 | enouf | see #winehq |
| 07:09.21 | Shadow_mil | I think |
| 07:09.53 | jim | gloin: etch? |
| 07:10.12 | gloin | jim: yeah |
| 07:10.13 | catsup | (actually you can do it with a union mount...) |
| 07:10.23 | enouf | !aufs |
| 07:10.31 | jim | gloin: have you tried mixing with sid or lenny? |
| 07:10.32 | enouf | !unionfs |
| 07:10.32 | dpkg | i guess unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 07:10.47 | catsup | it's not weird |
| 07:10.53 | beardy | empiric: Then store it under /home/groupname/.wine and make symlinks from each users homedirectory. (or any other way, btu keep root out of it, and use a group and symlinks instead) |
| 07:10.56 | empiric | but |
| 07:10.57 | enouf | !info g++-4.1 etch |
| 07:11.02 | gloin | jim: not that I can recall |
| 07:11.08 | Shadow_mil | empiric, do this, create a group called "wine", then create a folder in either your home directory, or in the /usr/ directory. |
| 07:11.11 | catsup | you can't have multiple copies of wine running out of one .wine |
| 07:11.18 | empiric | ok am installing wine as normal user and making them a mmeber of group |
| 07:11.20 | catsup | can you? |
| 07:11.23 | empiric | then should it work |
| 07:11.24 | dpkg | g++-4.1: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.1.1-21 (etch), Packaged size: 2553 kB, Installed size: 5600 kB |
| 07:11.48 | Shadow_mil | empiric, give 770 permissions to that folder. (so the wine group has full access) |
| 07:11.49 | gloin | weird |
| 07:11.50 | beardy | Shadow_mil: NOT in /usr.. /usr/local/share maybe.. but not under /.. |
| 07:11.57 | gloin | so why's it trying to install an outdated version? |
| 07:12.06 | jim | gloin: hmm... if you're getting that, then there are a coupla different compiler versions trying to vie for installation... and that should not happen in etch, given it's released |
| 07:12.07 | empiric | well am trying |
| 07:12.20 | Shadow_mil | empiric, after that, add all users you want to access the wine data to the wine group |
| 07:12.20 | jim | gloin: that would be my question too :) |
| 07:12.24 | gloin | jim: this was a sarge box to begin with |
| 07:12.27 | enouf | .2-15 comes after .1.21 |
| 07:12.27 | catsup | the directories have to be setgid, also |
| 07:12.29 | gloin | it's been through it |
| 07:12.36 | enouf | er .1-21 |
| 07:12.40 | gloin | enouf: ah, good point |
| 07:12.48 | empiric | see i dont think that works |
| 07:12.58 | empiric | ok |
| 07:12.59 | jim | enouf: that's the very next one debian packaged? |
| 07:13.00 | Shadow_mil | empiric, then make a symbolic link from $HOME/.wine to the directory you created, for all users in the wine group |
| 07:13.05 | gloin | so how to specify "apt-get install THIS_VERSION" then? |
| 07:13.10 | enouf | jim: no idea |
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| 07:13.42 | jim | gloin: somehow you got some different-version packages in there |
| 07:13.45 | wd | jim: dpkg is awesome :) |
| 07:13.48 | jim | let's see, |
| 07:13.52 | enouf | it's a dependency issue,, no specific version will suffice |
| 07:13.56 | gloin | probably backported |
| 07:13.56 | jim | wd: it worked? |
| 07:13.58 | gloin | something |
| 07:14.11 | wd | jim: i check init.d and xdm gone..i'll reboot and see |
| 07:14.18 | jim | gloin: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:14.21 | empiric | no see i have t have installed with some user |
| 07:14.25 | empiric | that way it wrks |
| 07:14.32 | empiric | otherwise it wont |
| 07:14.35 | gloin | heh |
| 07:14.40 | enouf | !depends g++-4.1 |
| 07:14.54 | gloin | thought it was a sarge box |
| 07:14.55 | gloin | hmm |
| 07:14.56 | gloin | lenny/sid |
| 07:15.01 | beardy | empiric: Install it with your user then. |
| 07:15.07 | jim | allllrighteyyythen :) |
| 07:15.11 | gloin | guess I could fix my sources.list and |
| 07:15.13 | gloin | sigh |
| 07:15.14 | catsup | empiric: do you understand that your entire wine installation will be destroyed if two users run wine at the same time? |
| 07:15.14 | dpkg | g++-4.1: depends on gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.2-22), gcc-4.1 (= 4.1.2-22), libstdc++6-4.1-dev (= 4.1.2-22), libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 07:15.14 | dmnd | when i look in the manpage of aptitude, i get output like this: \fBshow\fR |
| 07:15.19 | wd | jim: does dpkg handle depends also or should i use command line aptitude / apt-get? |
| 07:15.21 | enouf | heh |
| 07:15.22 | dmnd | how can i fix this format? |
| 07:15.24 | gloin | really can't be arsed to do this right now |
| 07:15.28 | enouf | dpkg: you're late! |
| 07:15.28 | dpkg | enouf: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 07:15.32 | enouf | haha |
| 07:15.38 | gloin | hehe |
| 07:15.43 | Shadow_mil | hoho |
| 07:15.47 | dmnd | hihi |
| 07:15.56 | jim | hmmm hmmm |
| 07:16.02 | gloin | re re |
| 07:16.09 | enouf | !8ball did dpkg RTFM? |
| 07:16.09 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 07:16.09 | jim | okOK so I'm different :P |
| 07:16.25 | dmnd | the time has come debian got to easy and we are bored |
| 07:16.31 | liable | bah, the wpasupp config file allows you to disable eap, but then it fails to build |
| 07:17.08 | jim | wd: dpkg is used by apt-get and apt to do installations |
| 07:17.11 | enouf | dmnd: update-alternatives --config pager maybe |
| 07:17.22 | Shadow_mil | empiric, what your doing is not very wise though. |
| 07:17.24 | enouf | dmnd: install less |
| 07:17.28 | jim | the deps are handled by apt |
| 07:17.37 | jim | yeah, why did you install so much? |
| 07:17.42 | jim | :) |
| 07:17.53 | empiric | why |
| 07:17.54 | catsup | i have the same problem with aptitude's manpage |
| 07:17.58 | empiric | destroyed |
| 07:18.05 | Shadow_mil | empiric, possible another solution would be to have a wine user, a user totally devoted to running windows programs |
| 07:18.06 | enouf | oh, man page? |
| 07:18.06 | catsup | i think it must be a bug in the manpage |
| 07:18.06 | dmnd | enouf: i installed less but it's still there |
| 07:18.13 | empiric | each user have its own lik |
| 07:18.16 | wd | jim: ok so apt-get is best, so i should use command line apt-get to install and remove? |
| 07:18.22 | dmnd | a bug in the manpage? :) |
| 07:18.23 | enouf | dmnd: update-alternatives --config pager <-- done that? |
| 07:18.27 | dmnd | enouf: not yet |
| 07:18.39 | jim | "best"? no, each is a tool, and you find the right tool to do the job |
| 07:18.40 | catsup | dmnd: yeah. |
| 07:18.44 | enouf | hrm - just aptitude man page? |
| 07:18.48 | empiric | oh u mean i make a wine user and evety one log in as wine |
| 07:18.48 | dmnd | enouf: what do i need to set it to? |
| 07:18.50 | catsup | yep, just aptitude |
| 07:18.52 | jim | btw, dpkg --help to see all the tricks it does |
| 07:18.53 | gloin | argh |
| 07:18.54 | empiric | to use win programs |
| 07:18.56 | enouf | yes, wrong format then |
| 07:19.00 | empiric | plz calrify |
| 07:19.03 | gloin | how'd I get myself in this mess? |
| 07:19.04 | gloin | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 07:19.05 | Shadow_mil | empiric, yeah, do that, setup a user, and install all your programs though that user. (And run them though that program) |
| 07:19.08 | gloin | (long long list) |
| 07:19.10 | enouf | likely ps never converted to nroff or something |
| 07:19.14 | gloin | n |
| 07:19.15 | catsup | it's not the whole man page either |
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| 07:19.31 | jim | gloin: "somehow" your box got upgraded to either lenny or sid :) |
| 07:19.35 | dmnd | im happy it's not me :) |
| 07:19.37 | gloin | after 3 rum and cokes, I'm not about to upgrade 277 packages |
| 07:19.40 | Shadow_mil | empiric, two instances of wine running as two different users, using the same files is asking for trouble |
| 07:19.45 | dmnd | i have it on all debian boxes |
| 07:19.46 | gloin | maybe next week ;) |
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| 07:19.50 | enouf | look at the UML readme under /Documentation - anywhere O_< |
| 07:19.55 | catsup | it's only the sections after COMMAND-LINE ACTIONS |
| 07:19.59 | enouf | it;s nasty |
| 07:20.04 | gloin | jim: I'm sure I was monkeying around with something and did myself in |
| 07:20.05 | dmnd | catsup: indeed :) |
| 07:20.09 | gloin | and forgot about it |
| 07:20.14 | wd | enouf: yeah but i installed with aptitude and removed all x window system and xdm still in runlevel. i had to use dpkg --purge and it's gone. |
| 07:20.19 | kasr1 | Hi , I upgrade my Gutsy to Hardy , now when I want to update apt I get these : http://paste.ubuntu.com/11232/ , what should I do ? |
| 07:20.23 | cast | so who's run sed -i 's/ubuntu/debian/g' /etc/apt/sources.list today |
| 07:20.32 | gloin | dpkg: tell kasr1 about Ubuntu |
| 07:20.33 | cast | oh, we have a winner! |
| 07:20.34 | liable | kasr1: ask in #ubuntu |
| 07:20.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.47 | enouf | lmao |
| 07:20.56 | jim | well what do you want to do? (note, unfortunately you probably can't downgrade at this point... if you want etch, you'll have to back up your /home and maybe your /etc and reinstall) |
| 07:20.59 | dmnd | catsup: how do i have to deal with this? report it or? |
| 07:21.17 | catsup | dmnd: it's probably already reported... |
| 07:21.22 | catsup | (but check) |
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| 07:21.30 | enouf | wd: nice work \o/ |
| 07:21.39 | kasr1 | gloin: I did , get nothing , I thought maybe I can get help here |
| 07:21.41 | cast | wd: yeah...i think init.d/* is considered config files so don't get remove with a normal --remove |
| 07:22.01 | Bushmills | kasr1: we know about etch, lenny, sid. what is "gutsy", hardy" ? |
| 07:22.05 | wd | cast: oh. ok. |
| 07:22.16 | wd | enouf: thanks.. jim helped.. :) |
| 07:22.26 | jim | kasr1: there's not support for hardy or gutsy here... the support is either #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 |
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| 07:22.37 | kasr1 | Bushmills: Ubuntu versions , problem's related to apt-get |
| 07:22.50 | Bushmills | kasr1: oh. wrong tab, maybe? |
| 07:22.51 | Shadow_mil | Bushmills, they are code names, gutsy is code name for etch--, and hardy is code name for lenny-- |
| 07:22.56 | kasr1 | jim: ok , thanks |
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| 07:22.59 | Shadow_mil | ducks |
| 07:23.07 | jim | welcome... |
| 07:23.12 | gloin | hehe |
| 07:23.20 | enouf | now for some real fun; |
| 07:23.21 | enouf | ~$ zless /usr/share/man/man1/find.1.gz |
| 07:23.41 | jim | your man stopped working? |
| 07:23.45 | simonrvn | "ohnoz, what's all this code shit?!" |
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| 07:23.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 07:24.02 | enouf | haha |
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| 07:24.10 | cast | kasr1: its an ubuntu issue, still. |
| 07:24.12 | enouf | jim: i am the man ;-) |
| 07:24.12 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 07:24.22 | acehigh | anyone know how to get emerald installed? |
| 07:24.24 | jim | you stopped working? |
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| 07:24.27 | enouf | jim: i need a rest once in a while :-P |
| 07:24.36 | simonrvn | s/he left |
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| 07:24.52 | cast | ponders refering to ubuntu users as its from now on |
| 07:25.03 | simonrvn | is enjoying an intertribal by "Black Lodge" |
| 07:25.03 | gloin | enouf: ls -R / | while read; do grep -irw . 'a'; done |
| 07:25.04 | jim | notice I did that without ANY hostility or negativity of any kind |
| 07:25.14 | gloin | it'll give you a nice space heater |
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| 07:25.25 | lvh | hello |
| 07:25.28 | cast | hi |
| 07:25.34 | catsup | dmnd: to fix it on your own system, do this: gunzip /usr/share/man/man8/aptitude.8.gz; perl -i.orig -pe 's/\\e(f[BR])/\\$1/g' /usr/share/man/man8/aptitude.8; gzip /usr/share/man/man8/aptitude.8* |
| 07:25.35 | enouf | gloin: cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp |
| 07:25.36 | gloin | jim: I tried the same |
| 07:25.45 | lvh | How can I get dpkg to regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/availible? It seems to have been corrupted in a recent power failure. |
| 07:25.50 | gloin | enouf: good idea |
| 07:25.51 | enouf | gloin: turn up your spkrs prior :-P |
| 07:25.54 | acehigh | anyone know how to get emerald installed? |
| 07:26.00 | dmnd | catsup: thanks!! :) |
| 07:26.03 | gloin | of course, the speakers are in a NOC several hundred miles from here... |
| 07:26.11 | jim | what's a emerald? |
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| 07:26.14 | ashk4n | hey all |
| 07:26.17 | ashk4n | quick q |
| 07:26.18 | dmnd | catsup: it still looks weird, but better ;) |
| 07:26.23 | acehigh | theme manager |
| 07:26.26 | ashk4n | anyone know of a backport source for rtorrent on etch? |
| 07:26.28 | cast | ponders encoding data as audio |
| 07:26.29 | jim | oh ok |
| 07:26.32 | catsup | hm, what's still wrong with it? |
| 07:26.38 | wd | is exim4 part of debian base install or does it come with X? |
| 07:26.44 | catsup | i don't see anything |
| 07:26.44 | gloin | ashk4n: I'm fighting with rtorrent right now myself, led to other problems |
| 07:26.45 | cast | ashk4n: i dunno, backports.org? could compile it yourself, would be trivial |
| 07:26.47 | gloin | what're you seeing? |
| 07:26.48 | jim | not at backports.org? |
| 07:26.58 | lvh | wd: base install, it's for having an mta |
| 07:27.04 | ashk4n | cast: im running into issues trying to compile myself |
| 07:27.11 | ashk4n | its hanging up on all sorts of deps |
| 07:27.14 | streuner | wd: exim is default MTA, yes |
| 07:27.14 | jim | wd: so xdm is gone now... yes? |
| 07:27.17 | ashk4n | all the way down to automake |
| 07:27.23 | wd | lvh: ok |
| 07:27.26 | wd | jim: yes |
| 07:27.27 | cast | ashk4n: apt-get build-deps? |
| 07:27.28 | wd | yay |
| 07:27.33 | ashk4n | cast: yep |
| 07:27.36 | cast | ashk4n: you...dont have automake installed? |
| 07:27.43 | cast | or is it a version issue |
| 07:27.44 | lvh | wd: try ssmtp or similar if exim4 is too big for what you need (likely) |
| 07:27.49 | wd | jim: now for xprint.. getting S20xprint error on reboot |
| 07:27.58 | wd | lvh: ok |
| 07:28.01 | jim | try purging that too |
| 07:28.10 | wd | lvh: will purge that |
| 07:28.16 | wd | jim: ok |
| 07:28.21 | gloin | thinks he's going to take Nico Belic out for a drive around the 'hood. l8r peeps |
| 07:28.26 | jim | like this: dpkg --purge xprint |
| 07:28.43 | ashk4n | cast: version issue |
| 07:28.44 | jim | whats a nico belic? |
| 07:28.51 | lvh | I get the following error: http://rafb.net/p/YW64RH90.html . Can I simply regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/availible? |
| 07:28.52 | ashk4n | and i didnt wanna break automak |
| 07:28.58 | enouf | lvh: i think you can mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/available/old ; cd /var/lib/dpkg/available ; mv ./* ./old .. then rerun apt-get update |
| 07:29.09 | wd | jim: can i purge several "dpkg --purge xprint exim4" ? |
| 07:29.10 | lvh | enouf: okay, thanks :) |
| 07:29.13 | gloin | jim: he's a bad guy |
| 07:29.18 | gloin | ver bad guy |
| 07:29.20 | jim | oh ok :) |
| 07:29.21 | enouf | lvh: i know i had to do something like that oce |
| 07:29.25 | cast | ashk4n: indeed, :< |
| 07:29.26 | lvh | what's IN availible? anyway? |
| 07:29.36 | enouf | available repos ;-) |
| 07:29.40 | enouf | look at it |
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| 07:30.03 | lvh | enouf: oh, cool. it looks like apt-get update should make a new one though |
| 07:30.11 | enouf | right, IIRC |
| 07:30.13 | jim | wd: debian likes having an MTA around... if you purge that, it's going to cause some problems |
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| 07:30.22 | lvh | enouf: well, it made a new one |
| 07:30.26 | lvh | enouf: an empty file |
| 07:30.27 | wd | jim: oh |
| 07:30.31 | enouf | (and nothing else is wrong) |
| 07:30.40 | jim | but at least the purge would be clean, and you can reinstall it, it won't hurt it |
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| 07:31.00 | lvh | wait, no it didnt, my bad |
| 07:31.07 | jim | other than that, yes you can put many packages to purge on the dpkg command line |
| 07:31.31 | wd | jim: do i need a mail transfer a on this little laptop.. barely chucking along... :) well maybe huh if i need to check email. |
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| 07:32.07 | enouf | lvh: my bad anyways, i made (mv) a /available-old file - i thought it was a dir/ |
| 07:32.08 | jim | you do have a choice as to which MTA you have installed |
| 07:32.27 | wd | jim: oh great well i need the litest. |
| 07:32.29 | enouf | lvh: i'm thinking of /lists or something .. one sec |
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| 07:32.44 | beardy | wd: You need one for local mail. Mail is used in some cases to report errors, and to report results of cronjobs and atjobs, for example. |
| 07:32.47 | ashk4n | if i point to a new repot |
| 07:32.51 | ashk4n | err repo |
| 07:32.55 | lvh | enouf: yeah, i fixed that one myself and just copied the file |
| 07:32.55 | ashk4n | how can i tell apt to use that repo |
| 07:33.14 | lvh | enouf: thankfully, there was already an available-old there -- no idea where it came from but it was recent (8 may) and did the trick |
| 07:33.27 | jim | you would put a line referring to that repo in /etc/sources.list |
| 07:33.34 | wd | beardy: oh i better leave it. ok. man pages mentioned it was extremely big. |
| 07:33.36 | jim | err thats not where it is |
| 07:33.37 | ashk4n | jim, ya ive done that |
| 07:33.40 | enouf | lvh: yeah, i was thinking of /var/lib/apt/lists/ .. sorry |
| 07:33.43 | ashk4n | but to tell apt-get -b source to use that |
| 07:33.47 | wd | beardy: that's why i was going to take it off. |
| 07:33.56 | jim | so now you run apt-get update |
| 07:33.59 | catsup | wd: there are alternatives |
| 07:34.18 | jim | and it'll pull in some informational files and process them |
| 07:34.29 | jim | after that you can install packages from that repo |
| 07:34.30 | wd | catsup: oh. i'll read |
| 07:35.06 | ashk4n | jim |
| 07:35.06 | beardy | wd: It's not that big, as in taking much when it's running, since it'd be sleeping most of the time anyway. And big in size, well that depends how much space you have. |
| 07:35.13 | ashk4n | i've added the repo: http://repo.ghostbar.ath.cx/ |
| 07:35.19 | ashk4n | (he's the package maintainer) |
| 07:35.26 | lvh | enouf: hm, one single update and it's gone again ( EOF during value of field `SHA1' (missing final newline) |
| 07:35.28 | ashk4n | but apt-get -b source still pulls from the 'unstable' repo |
| 07:35.33 | ashk4n | instead of his repo (which is experimental) |
| 07:35.45 | wd | strange tried dpkg --purge xprint and got "dpkg - warning :ignoring request to remove xprint which isn't installed" but it's failing on reboot in runlevel. |
| 07:35.54 | Cvbge | I have an OffGroup question (about particular american postal address). If anyone from USA (preferable NY) is here and could help me please /msg me. Sorry about the question but I don't know where can I find americans on irc... |
| 07:35.58 | ashk4n | do i need to do any kind of pinning? |
| 07:36.02 | Cvbge | Err, OffChannel ;) |
| 07:36.03 | jim | bbiab |
| 07:36.09 | enouf | lvh: perhaps you copied it incorrectly? did you cp -a available-old available ? |
| 07:36.31 | jim | the americans are all on #hotsex |
| 07:36.34 | enouf | lvh: hows the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.lists ? |
| 07:37.06 | enouf | lvh: have you setup some proxies? or other mirrors? (custom?) |
| 07:37.10 | lvh | enouf:yes, no |
| 07:37.26 | catsup | wd: 'smail' is probably what you want |
| 07:37.33 | lvh | enouf: no proxies, I use ftp.be.debian.org and ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (my university's mirror -- should be reliable) |
| 07:37.37 | enouf | ahh, hrm, i think apt.conf is used for setting up apt repo proxy |
| 07:37.38 | wd | catsup: ok |
| 07:37.41 | enouf | oh |
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| 07:37.50 | lvh | enouf: sudo dpkg --clear-avail <-- taddaaa |
| 07:37.57 | enouf | heh |
| 07:38.03 | jim | the non-americans that are living in the us are all on #letsvoteforbushandlethimstartfights |
| 07:38.21 | lvh | enouf: works now |
| 07:38.29 | enouf | !win lvh |
| 07:38.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, lvh! You have won the US presidency! |
| 07:38.37 | jim | oh NOOOO! |
| 07:38.37 | Guerin | how irony |
| 07:38.54 | jim | do you have enough iron in your diet? |
| 07:39.15 | lvh | enouf: apparently an empty available file is not good enough -- dpkg needs to know its empty (well, I know it doesnt make sense -- dont worry im president now Ill last another eight years without making sense) |
| 07:39.19 | jim | if so, you could be irony too! |
| 07:39.46 | lvh | !win dpkg |
| 07:39.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 07:39.53 | lvh | pff. |
| 07:40.06 | xingu | jim: buy drip dry, you never need irony again |
| 07:40.08 | lvh | I almost thought we could have turing spin around in his grave ;-) |
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| 07:40.26 | wd | jim ok, this is strange... i tried dpkg --purge xprint and got "dpkg - warning :ignoring request to remove xprint which isn't installed" but it's failing on reboot in runlevel. |
| 07:40.26 | ashk4n | anyone familiar with this error during compile: |
| 07:40.31 | ashk4n | checking signedness of mincore parameter... configure: error: failed, do *not* attempt fix this with --disable-mincore unless you are running Win32. |
| 07:40.31 | ashk4n | make: *** [config.status] Error 1 |
| 07:40.42 | ashk4n | (sorry for the 2 lines, i only meant 1) |
| 07:40.56 | wd | jim: i'm in /etc/init.d and i see it. |
| 07:41.03 | lvh | ashk4n: what package? |
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| 07:41.21 | ashk4n | libtorrent |
| 07:41.25 | jim | so there were two contestants? |
| 07:41.25 | ashk4n | (0.12.2) |
| 07:41.39 | enouf | erm, cmake? |
| 07:41.39 | lvh | ashk4n: builidng from upstream source, or building a debian package |
| 07:42.00 | jim | !find /etc/init.d/xprint |
| 07:42.08 | enouf | you're missing whatever the INSTALL and README told you were the prerequisites |
| 07:42.15 | wd | jim: wait.. S20xprint is fatal error. |
| 07:42.28 | ashk4n | lvh: building from the package maintainer's source |
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| 07:42.35 | jim | does it stop the boot? |
| 07:42.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/xprint' returned no results. |
| 07:42.42 | wd | jim: no |
| 07:42.48 | ashk4n | lvh: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/node/418 |
| 07:42.50 | lvh | anyone know how to fix these truncated files: http://rafb.net/p/PIQFzQ46.html |
| 07:42.53 | jim | at least there's that |
| 07:43.15 | jim | !info xprint |
| 07:43.17 | lvh | ashk4n: ghostbar is thepackage maintainer? |
| 07:43.19 | wd | jim: oh |
| 07:43.24 | valdyn | lvh: reinstall the packages that own those files |
| 07:43.24 | ashk4n | ya |
| 07:43.47 | jim | there's no xprint package... so we have to find out what that belongs to |
| 07:44.02 | lvh | valdyn: dpkg -S? |
| 07:44.08 | valdyn | lvh: yes |
| 07:44.15 | jim | what package installs xprint? |
| 07:44.16 | valdyn | jim: there isn't? |
| 07:44.31 | valdyn | jim: there is. |
| 07:44.34 | ashk4n | im trying with g++ |
| 07:44.34 | catsup | there's a package 'xprint' |
| 07:44.34 | jim | well according to dpkg... I guess it's named something else |
| 07:44.38 | ashk4n | and it seems to have helped |
| 07:44.44 | lvh | valdyn: cool, thanks! :-) |
| 07:44.51 | catsup | http://packages.debian.org/xprint |
| 07:44.57 | ashk4n | (well, it doing something different now) |
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| 07:45.05 | xingu | heh, once clameter is done with slub defrag linux's vm will have caught up with solaris 7's priority_paging |
| 07:45.12 | jim | <dpkg> Package 'xprint' does not exist. |
| 07:45.37 | jim | valdyn: oh, well, I'm doing something wrong then |
| 07:45.37 | catsup | well dpkg is wrong |
| 07:45.37 | xingu | maybe then (after cfs merge and this) we will finally be able to run large workloads without dying in swap spirals |
| 07:45.44 | catsup | see the link |
| 07:45.54 | catsup | also, i have the package installed on my system... |
| 07:46.02 | wd | jim: that's me oldstable sarge. |
| 07:46.12 | enouf | jim: it's possible it's not in sid |
| 07:46.24 | enouf | jim: and thew way you called dpkg, she defaults to sid |
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| 07:46.37 | jim | oh ok |
| 07:46.40 | enouf | !info xprint sarge |
| 07:46.43 | catsup | $ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/xprint |
| 07:46.43 | lvh | valdyn++ |
| 07:46.44 | catsup | xprint-common: /etc/init.d/xprint |
| 07:46.46 | wd | catsup: but i removed all X and it' still in rc2 but dpkg --purge gives error. |
| 07:46.51 | lvh | no karmabot? |
| 07:47.03 | catsup | wd: dpkg --purge xprint-common |
| 07:47.03 | dpkg | xprint: (Xprint - the X11 print system (binary)), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.1.0.alpha1-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 1718 kB, Installed size: 4680 kB |
| 07:47.17 | wd | catsup: i'll try. |
| 07:47.25 | jim | people with bad karma gets fed to the dogma |
| 07:48.12 | enouf | jim: maybe it was so buggy it got yanked :-p |
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| 07:48.26 | lvh | jim: how about : "my karma ran over your dogma" |
| 07:48.32 | enouf | (or renamed or merged) |
| 07:48.59 | wd | catsup: rebooting now.. |
| 07:49.13 | wd | jim: we'll see... :) |
| 07:49.33 | ashk4n | jim: ya it was a g++ issue |
| 07:49.46 | wd | catsup: how did u find out it was xprint-common? dpkg couldn't find it. |
| 07:49.50 | valdyn | lvh: it would be !valdyn++ |
| 07:50.07 | catsup | well, no way xprint got removed |
| 07:50.13 | jim | burrito time |
| 07:50.16 | lvh | !valdyn++ |
| 07:50.24 | valdyn | hmm |
| 07:50.27 | valdyn | !test |
| 07:50.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:50.27 | lvh | indeed |
| 07:50.45 | catsup | wd: dpkg -S. you did the same and it didn't work? |
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| 07:50.59 | blame | Hi valdyn I asked yesterday about my ISP's DNS and having my own bind server to DNS and RDNS and you said my ISP need to add a record in their DNS or have them forward dns lookups to me. My question is, could have they already done that? Is there a way to find out if my DNS/RDNS will run with permission from the DNS my ISP runs? |
| 07:51.10 | wd | catsup: no just purge |
| 07:51.18 | lvh | dpkg: bad bot! no botsnack. |
| 07:51.18 | dpkg | lvh: aw, gee |
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| 07:51.26 | catsup | wd: you know, dpkg -S /etc/init.d/xprint was the first thing i said... |
| 07:51.42 | valdyn | blame: dig +trace 1.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa ( for your ip ) |
| 07:51.59 | wd | sorry. |
| 07:52.07 | enouf | catsup: your own url shows it's not in sid http://packages.debian.org/xprint |
| 07:52.15 | valdyn | blame: its probably safe to assume that they havent done what you want |
| 07:52.25 | catsup | enouf: right right--i meant that it must have been merged or something |
| 07:53.56 | wd | yay.. S20xprint error crushed. |
| 07:54.17 | catsup | wd: try apt-get remove x11-common |
| 07:54.19 | lvh | wd: you filistine! |
| 07:54.23 | lvh | is a member of PETE |
| 07:54.25 | valdyn | "168.192.in-addr.arpa.604800INSOAprisoner.iana.org." <- the beauty of internet metaphors |
| 07:54.48 | crazyfrog | when i run aptitude update commang ,i get http://rafb.net/p/Vfv88v24.html .whao can help me fix it? |
| 07:54.52 | blame | valdyn: output: http://pastebin.com/m39dc8c20 |
| 07:55.08 | enouf | catsup: some mention of it http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg-server/current/changelog |
| 07:55.23 | valdyn | blame: well, the SOA for a private subnet is not very interesting |
| 07:55.35 | wd | catsup: E: Couldn't find package x11-common |
| 07:55.45 | valdyn | blame: 192.168.* is blackholed, i said you need to do that for your ip |
| 07:56.04 | blame | valdyn: sorry |
| 07:56.43 | wd | i think i'm gonna have to go this route on the laptop....http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2007/05/21/a-day-without-x/ |
| 07:56.43 | ashk4n | hey |
| 07:56.44 | catsup | xorg-server (2:1.2.99.902-1) experimental; urgency=low |
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| 07:57.06 | ashk4n | can anyone tell me why apt-get -b source is getting packages from a different source than the one i specicy? |
| 07:57.18 | ashk4n | it worked for libtorrent, but rtorrent itself is not going to the 'newer' source |
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| 07:57.39 | catsup | apparently xprint was apostate |
| 07:57.52 | valdyn | blame: step by step: you run "host <inet_ip>" to get the name, and run "dig +trace <name>" |
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| 08:00.54 | blame | valdyn: would that be it? http://pastebin.com/m5014254e |
| 08:01.10 | valdyn | blame: no? |
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| 08:01.52 | valdyn | blame: whats your ip? |
| 08:01.54 | blame | valdyn: forgive my ignorence, I think I do not understand. |
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| 08:02.43 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 08:02.52 | Fox_1_ | people I have problem with svn+ssh |
| 08:02.56 | Fox_1_ | the problem is: |
| 08:03.05 | enouf | i dunno, i did 'dig' and grabbed the SERVER: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx , then ran dig +trace IP.ip.addr.arpa hehe |
| 08:03.30 | enouf | erm, IP.in-addr.arpa i mean |
| 08:03.45 | valdyn | enouf: it is supposed to be <reversed_ip> |
| 08:04.04 | Fox_1_ | I have key (public and private), when I want to connect to server via ssh I give private key by -i and it's connecting |
| 08:04.07 | valdyn | enouf: which is why i ask blame what his ip is |
| 08:04.29 | enouf | valdyn: figures, i'm just toying with whatever i can - i know nothing about this stuff |
| 08:04.43 | Fox_1_ | but when I change key name to id_dsa and want to connect the same server without -i it doesn't work |
| 08:04.45 | blame | valdyn: did you get my IP? |
| 08:04.47 | Fox_1_ | what's the problem? |
| 08:04.58 | valdyn | blame: yea |
| 08:05.04 | valdyn | blame: its right, your dig +trace was right |
| 08:05.17 | blame | valdyn: ok.. |
| 08:05.50 | valdyn | blame: the last line tells you that 77.* is handled by ( SOA ) the server ns-pri.ripe.net |
| 08:05.50 | crazyfrog | when i run aptitude update command ,i got some error.who can help me?http://linux.vbird.org/linux_basic/ |
| 08:06.11 | crazyfrog | http://rafb.net/p/Vfv88v24.html |
| 08:06.19 | valdyn | blame: that means that its just not delegated to you |
| 08:06.54 | Fox_1_ | I can't use -i be cause I need that for svn |
| 08:07.02 | valdyn | blame: ( well unless you own 77.* and ns-pri.ripe.net is your box, but that's not the case ) |
| 08:07.20 | blame | valdyn: I need to contact my ISP and have them allow me to run my own DNS, or? |
| 08:07.44 | valdyn | blame: you should let your isp do everything or delegate to a dns service |
| 08:07.55 | valdyn | blame: you're not qualified to run your own dns server really |
| 08:08.21 | valdyn | blame: thats much safer than running your own dns server |
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| 08:08.43 | blame | valdyn: I can understand that, but I do need to learn more about bind in real terms. |
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| 08:10.33 | valdyn | blame: then ask your isp to forward autority to a host of your choice |
| 08:11.00 | valdyn | blame: right now theres no entry for your ip at all |
| 08:11.44 | valdyn | blame: what kind of isp is this? |
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| 08:12.11 | blame | valdyn: they are 'slightly' cocky to deal with, but thanks for your input. |
| 08:12.12 | valdyn | blame: leaving reverse dns unresolved at ripe.net ? |
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| 08:12.57 | blame | valdyn: they are cable provider, with CMTSs and modems and all.. |
| 08:12.58 | valdyn | blame: reverse dns for77.* is left at ripe.net which is even before your isp |
| 08:13.29 | valdyn | blame: which means they will have to fix their setup with ripe first |
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| 08:14.42 | blame | valdyn: my (noob) point exactly. If they dont have their rdns straight, I thought I could swoop in and make it my priority. |
| 08:15.02 | valdyn | blame: not if you dont have their account username / key for ripe |
| 08:15.20 | blame | valdyn: that would not be the case ;) |
| 08:17.06 | blame | valdyn: so at that point they couldn't delegate rdns to me even if they wanted to, you said they didn't resolve their ripe issue? |
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| 08:17.33 | valdyn | blame: they can because they own the ip |
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| 08:18.09 | valdyn | blame: but the first step for them would be to contact ripe and either setup their own dns server first or enter your box at ripe |
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| 08:19.59 | valdyn | blame: neither of which they will do just for you, most certainly |
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| 08:20.17 | bijur | hey all |
| 08:20.17 | valdyn | blame: unless you are a very valuable customer |
| 08:20.18 | bijur | :) |
| 08:20.40 | Goetmet | offtopic: What's a "Senior Principal Engineer" ?? I dont understand the "principal" part.. I know Senior it's about experience... but principal? |
| 08:20.50 | blame | valdyn: I need to be looking at the last lines to determine DNS authority over IP. What would it say if the DNSs were left to me to handle? |
| 08:21.06 | valdyn | blame: but if you're not and this is a large isp you'Re going to have a hard time even finding someone competent to understand what you want |
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| 08:21.25 | valdyn | blame: not the last line, the SOA line |
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| 08:22.00 | blame | valdyn: I can get that arranged, but not sure I want to get in to it. |
| 08:22.09 | valdyn | blame: the SOA entry in the dns database denotes autority over an ip or a segment |
| 08:22.44 | blame | valdyn: I secured myself and said line"S" as in not THE last one per se ;) |
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| 08:23.04 | blame | valdyn: thank you very much for your input, I am learning alot about dns |
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| 08:23.52 | valdyn | blame: like that : valdyn.org. 86400IN SOA valdyn.org. |
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| 08:24.09 | keila | how can i get the output of time, but not the stdout of the program run by time? |
| 08:24.55 | blame | valdyn: let me have a look see at your set up |
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| 08:25.26 | valdyn | keila: time outputs to stderr, so "time program > /dev/null" |
| 08:26.10 | keila | valdyn: ah, thanks. i assumed it used stdout. great |
| 08:26.41 | valdyn | blame: i dont have proper reverse dns for my ipv4 |
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| 08:27.55 | valdyn | blame: you could look at "host 2001:a60:f01b::1" |
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| 08:28.23 | blame | valdyn: your domain resolves to 88.217.143.53 and says you are dependent on ns1.m-online.net. hostmaster.m-net.de |
| 08:28.40 | blame | valdyn: but you said your dns isnt set up |
| 08:28.50 | valdyn | blame: its set up, but not for what i want it |
| 08:28.57 | valdyn | blame: its at my isp |
| 08:29.33 | valdyn | blame: the 2nd "name" in SOA really is an email address hostmaster@m-net.de |
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| 08:30.02 | blame | valdyn: yea just pasted what I noticed there.. |
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| 08:31.35 | blame | what does dig +trace domain.com is suppose to show? |
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| 08:32.30 | valdyn | blame: the lookup hierarchy |
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| 08:37.36 | blame | valdyn: the IP on which you run your DNS, is it yours? I mean did you ask your ISP to delegate DNS requests to you, or you own the network or work for the ISP, or neither? |
| 08:37.59 | valdyn | blame: no, my isp is only resonsible for my IP and the reverse dns of it |
| 08:38.20 | valdyn | blame: the other way around is handled only by the owner of the domain name, which is me |
| 08:38.53 | valdyn | blame: i dont work with my isp for domain -> ip lookips but with a domain name registrar |
| 08:39.18 | blame | valdyn: oh i see |
| 08:39.40 | jim | so you don't actually run the server for fwd requests? |
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| 08:40.31 | valdyn | jim: i dont understand the question |
| 08:41.08 | jim | I'm just curious is all... if that's not welcome, no problem |
| 08:41.27 | valdyn | jim: just rephrase it so i can understand it |
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| 08:41.36 | jim | oh, ok :) |
| 08:42.05 | jim | so I know you just said the isp does reverse dns |
| 08:42.17 | valdyn | jim: yes |
| 08:42.26 | jim | I was wondering about forward, do you actually run that dns server machine? |
| 08:42.48 | valdyn | jim: yea i run my own dns server |
| 08:43.01 | valdyn | jim: but my isp is not forwarding reverse dns to me |
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| 08:43.25 | loulouloulou | hey all using gem install rails..it just stays there and does nothing I checked using jnettop |
| 08:44.55 | jim | oh, there's not adebian package for rails? |
| 08:45.17 | valdyn | !info rails |
| 08:45.22 | dpkg | rails: (MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2111 kB, Installed size: 19436 kB |
| 08:46.06 | jim | so you could install that instead... oh, let's see the version in your dist... what debian version are you running? |
| 08:46.18 | blame | valdyn: I am slightly confued you said your ISP is "only resonsible for my IP and the reverse dns of it" and then you say "but my isp is not forwarding reverse dns to me" -- what do you mean? |
| 08:46.47 | valdyn | blame: my isp is responsible for reverse dns if all ip addresses that he owns |
| 08:47.19 | valdyn | blame: he can either leave SOA at ripe or set ripe to forward reverse dns to its own dns server |
| 08:47.41 | valdyn | blame: in your case he left ripe unconfigured and in my case my isp set ripe to forward requests to its own dns server |
| 08:47.55 | blame | valdyn: right |
| 08:48.21 | jim | what are the consequences when it's left unconfigured? |
| 08:48.31 | jim | and, um, what's a ripe? |
| 08:48.32 | valdyn | blame: in my case i wish my isp would either reverse resolve my ip to a name of my choice or delegate authority to me so i could set my name |
| 08:48.42 | valdyn | blame: but they wont do that. |
| 08:48.50 | blame | valdyn: so you are running "internal" dns to server your internel network? |
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| 08:49.21 | blame | valdyn: same as me here...with dns's i mean |
| 08:49.23 | jim | blame: I think he |
| 08:49.25 | valdyn | blame: uh, do a "dig +trace valdyn.org and you will see my nameserver |
| 08:49.32 | valdyn | blame: but for reverse dns you wont |
| 08:49.35 | jim | is running an authoritative primary dns |
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| 08:50.05 | valdyn | jim: yes |
| 08:50.07 | jim | which means he has full control over forward dns requests |
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| 08:50.51 | jim | but (a) he has no control over the reverse dns associated with his static IP and (b) they won't give him the name for that IP he wants |
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| 08:51.10 | valdyn | jim: right too |
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| 08:52.18 | valdyn | not like reverse dns is that important anyway |
| 08:52.30 | valdyn | except for what shows on irc in /whois ;) |
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| 08:52.51 | liable | some mailservers dont like it not set |
| 08:53.00 | liable | apparently |
| 08:53.03 | valdyn | liable: im not having issues |
| 08:53.26 | valdyn | liable: I'm only greylisted first, but thats not a problem |
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| 08:53.48 | blame | right I understand. I was confused at why valdyn uses his own dns. I simply use public DNS servers to point my domains and set their records to my IP addresses, so thats where the confusion came - I thought valdyn is actually running rdns via his own bind server. |
| 08:53.52 | liable | yep, greylisting is fine if your mail server behaves like it should |
| 08:54.23 | jim | I would guess the reason as he wants as much control as he can get |
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| 08:56.09 | blame | jim: I understand. I am using www.sitelutions.com for non-rdns purposes and they have been rock solid for many years now. They have all tools you need, its free too. |
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| 09:00.56 | jim | blame: so your question is "why does valdyn run his own dns server when there exists www.sitelutions.com"? |
| 09:01.56 | blame | jim: no, not why. I said I was confused beacuse of services similar to sitelutions.com as it pertains to reverse DNS |
| 09:03.18 | jim | oh, I must have misread your statement when you said "I was confused at why valdyn uses his own dns." :) |
| 09:03.31 | jim | clumsy me! |
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| 09:04.10 | Bert_2 | hi, I used to have a command to get the names of all my installed packages, but I forgot it, anyone got any idea what it was ? |
| 09:04.11 | jim | sorry about that... I should learn to read!! |
| 09:04.52 | meff | dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:04.53 | dpkg | meff: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:05.00 | meff | hehe |
| 09:05.25 | jim | dpkg: fork your pork |
| 09:05.25 | dpkg | jim: are you using Windows? |
| 09:05.39 | jim | dpkg: yes! |
| 09:05.39 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 09:05.49 | jim | I knew you'd like it! |
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| 09:05.59 | Bert_2 | meffm: thanks |
| 09:06.06 | Bert_2 | *meff |
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| 09:08.04 | the-dude | Bert_2: dpkg -l |
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| 09:15.37 | utrrrongeeb | When I upgraded from sarge to etch, I saw something about switching to Unicode. I'm not entirely certain about that, so how can I confirm that the system is not Unicode and make sure that it sticks with it? |
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| 09:19.26 | orveldv | utrrrongeeb: what does "locale" say? |
| 09:20.09 | jim | locale has about 10 lines of output for me |
| 09:20.23 | jim | you might want to have him pastebin it |
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| 09:20.59 | utrrrongeeb | orveldv, jim: Is it a command? |
| 09:21.03 | Dewi | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 09:21.04 | atoz | The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error in a CGI script. |
| 09:21.08 | orveldv | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 09:21.11 | jim | try this first: |
| 09:21.17 | Dewi | utrrrongeeb: 'locale' will mention utf-8 quite a lot if your locale uses utf-8 |
| 09:21.23 | jim | locale | wc -l |
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| 09:21.36 | atoz | how to fix this problem? |
| 09:21.49 | Dewi | atoz: are you running the server? |
| 09:22.03 | the-dude | utrrrongeeb: try dpkg-reconfigre locales |
| 09:22.18 | utrrrongeeb | Dewi, orveldv, jim: I'm sorry, but I'm running Windows at the moment. Thanks, though--I'll try it later. |
| 09:22.26 | utrrrongeeb | the-dude: That lets you set system locale? |
| 09:22.29 | atoz | my apache is running... |
| 09:22.47 | the-dude | utrrrongeeb: jep lets you choose and decide which will be default |
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| 09:23.13 | atoz | i'm install joomla... |
| 09:23.23 | Dewi | atoz: do you have PHP installed? |
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| 09:23.37 | utrrrongeeb | the-dude: Okay, thanks. Does that affect vim's, MousePad's, and GEdit's defaults for text files too? |
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| 09:23.53 | jim | utrrrongeeb: it would be nice if you could come while your system is booted... this is helpful because then you can give live results |
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| 09:24.07 | atoz | php5 is running... |
| 09:24.16 | Dewi | atoz: php doesn't "run" |
| 09:24.21 | Dewi | atoz: it's not a service |
| 09:24.40 | Dewi | atoz: although I guess apache keeps some of it resident by default |
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| 09:25.21 | utrrrongeeb | jim: Sorry, I know. My Debian install doesn't have a firewall set up, though, and I haven't bothered to transfer my browser config recently. I can fetch the contents of files now, if needed, though. |
| 09:26.02 | atoz | ow... |
| 09:26.19 | the-dude | utrrrongeeb: yep |
| 09:26.41 | utrrrongeeb | the-dude: Okay, thanks. I'll try that at some point... |
| 09:26.59 | jim | utrrrongeeb: securitywise, it's better to have an external router (sw or hw) to do the firewalling, then you can run both machines off that devide |
| 09:27.55 | utrrrongeeb | jim: It's a dual-boot. Also, it's dial-up, so it isn't that fast... |
| 09:28.14 | catsup | really, php runs in the same way that apache does... |
| 09:28.16 | jim | utrrrongeeb: having the firewall on the same box where you're doing your work/play/etc is fairly ineffective |
| 09:29.08 | utrrrongeeb | jim: I don't even have that set up (in Debian), so I'd rather that to what I have. |
| 09:29.38 | jim | well that will make it difficult to help you |
| 09:29.57 | jim | and time consuming |
| 09:30.32 | jim | do you have two machines? |
| 09:31.13 | utrrrongeeb | jim: There's a couple of old computers, but this main one is a dual-boot. I don't use Linux much, unfortunately. |
| 09:31.48 | jim | utrrrongeeb: you could use one of the old ones as a firewall |
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| 09:32.43 | utrrrongeeb | jim: How does the dial-up connection work with them? |
| 09:33.01 | jim | is the modem an external? |
| 09:33.07 | the-dude | utrrrongeeb: just install shorewall on your computer and you are fine |
| 09:33.18 | utrrrongeeb | jim: It's an internal WinModem. |
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| 09:33.34 | utrrrongeeb | the-dude: shorewall's a package, right? Okay. What configuration does it need? |
| 09:33.37 | the-dude | there no need for a seperate firewall for just one computer |
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| 09:33.52 | the-dude | utrrrongeeb: you will find doc in /usr/share/shorewall* |
| 09:33.57 | the-dude | and configs |
| 09:34.29 | utrrrongeeb | the-dude: Okay, thanks! |
| 09:34.53 | catsup | *EVERY* computer should be behind at least *TWO* layers of firewalls (that includes the firewalls themselves) |
| 09:35.02 | the-dude | bullshit |
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| 09:36.17 | catsup | the-dude: bullshit? can you deny that such a policy is infinitely more secure than any alternative? |
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| 09:36.56 | jim | yes, it's not infinite... but it is a lot better |
| 09:37.08 | catsup | jim: it is infinite |
| 09:37.09 | the-dude | one firewall will be fine for his needs |
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| 09:37.26 | jim | it's infinite if without it it's zero protection |
| 09:37.33 | orveldv | actually you can have no firewall if you know exactly what / how are the running services; but don't try this at home |
| 09:37.39 | dutchfish | catsup, what policy (i just dropped in)? |
| 09:37.54 | catsup | dutchfish: to put every machine behind an infinite chain of firewalls |
| 09:38.17 | dutchfish | catsup, how you want to do that? |
| 09:38.39 | catsup | well, you start with your client machine, and add a firewall |
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| 09:38.47 | jim | oh, I see, and so the limit of the rate as the number of firewalls in series approaches infinity is? :) |
| 09:38.50 | catsup | keep adding firewalls until you have infinity, then connect the last one to the internet |
| 09:39.32 | jim | there's a better way of accomplishing the same exact thing as infinity firewalls :) |
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| 09:39.57 | utrrrongeeb | jim: You mean cutting the cable? |
| 09:40.00 | the-dude | thinks this all makes it rather confushing for utrrrongeeb *g* |
| 09:40.04 | dutchfish | catsup, why would a client machine need a firewall if its not running services that can be exposed? |
| 09:40.11 | jim | HEYY give that man a cigar! |
| 09:40.46 | catsup | dutchfish: see the hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy entry on firewalls |
| 09:40.53 | jim | I guess this is a big tradeoff tho |
| 09:40.55 | utrrrongeeb | runs off to shut down Apache, PostgreSQL, dns/bind, and everything else.... |
| 09:40.58 | dutchfish | catsup, ah ... gotcha |
| 09:41.36 | jim | catsup is correct in that when you have a firewall that doesn't run other services, it's less prone to undesired entry |
| 09:41.50 | catsup | catsup is always correct |
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| 09:42.05 | dutchfish | catsup, you meant a firewall in a VM? |
| 09:42.06 | jim | mustard is correct more often!! |
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| 09:43.31 | catsup | dutchfish: that's a good idea. |
| 09:43.51 | dutchfish | catsup, and make it then a stealth bridged firewall? |
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| 09:44.31 | catsup | hot |
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| 09:45.27 | dutchfish | catsup, and your endpoint to the internet goes trough a random machine out of the cloud, wich switches on every new connection? |
| 09:45.45 | catsup | yes, it MUST be randomized |
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| 09:45.58 | dutchfish | catsup, thats called TOR |
| 09:46.39 | dutchfish | catsup, http://www.torproject.org/ |
| 09:47.51 | catsup | the key to security is to implement as many restrictions as you can think of |
| 09:47.51 | dutchfish | catsup, but there are even better ways, think about the ipv6 possibilities |
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| 09:48.34 | catsup | imagine a tor clowd in which each machine is firewalled so that it either blocks all incoming packets, or all outgoing packets--now that's secure! |
| 09:48.50 | dutchfish | catsup, no, the key to security is hard work and common sense |
| 09:49.26 | catsup | nonsense, common sense has no place in security policy |
| 09:49.27 | pumpkin0 | just block all power lines and run of batteries. The problem will solve itself after some hours ... |
| 09:49.56 | catsup | dutchfish: your ideas sound good on paper, but that is not how the real world works |
| 09:50.08 | Orion_X11 | Do you know where are the ppd printing files in the debian etch dvd? |
| 09:50.28 | Orion_X11 | pool > main (????) |
| 09:50.40 | catsup | for example, everyone knows that the first task in securing a server that offers shell access is to chmod -x gcc |
| 09:50.44 | dutchfish | catsup, i didnt say this all is optimal, i just wanted to make clear that lots of people already trying to dream up new ways |
| 09:50.58 | dutchfish | catsup, is i do |
| 09:50.59 | jim | catsup system admins had to know C pretty well, so they could come up with programs to defeat attacks |
| 09:51.20 | catsup | common sense would say: anyone can compile binaries and then upload them to the shell |
| 09:51.25 | jim | they may have had to come up with kernel hacks as well |
| 09:51.41 | catsup | therefore, common sense has no place in security policy |
| 09:52.09 | jim | well the shell being the vulnerable place |
| 09:52.19 | jim | you deny that, and you should be ok |
| 09:52.23 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, for HP related hpijs-ppds |
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| 09:52.57 | Orion_X11 | dutchfish: No. Espson pppds |
| 09:53.07 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, otherwise from the manufacturer |
| 09:53.22 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, prolly you win install cd |
| 09:53.54 | dutchfish | Orion_X11, or you can make one yourself |
| 09:53.58 | catsup | second example: everyone knows that a shell cannot be secured, and shell access must not be allowed. but on a web host that allows cgi with suexec, common sense says: the user already has all of the privileges that a shell provides. yet no isp would permit shell access on the flimsy basis of this common sense |
| 09:54.48 | dutchfish | catsup, its because most are lazy |
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| 09:55.02 | dutchfish | catsup, to get a good setup |
| 09:55.06 | gokhancss | hi |
| 09:57.02 | catsup | dutchfish: i'm afraid these real world examples prove your theory of security to be hopelessly wrong |
| 09:57.17 | dutchfish | catsup, enlighten me |
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| 09:58.07 | catsup | dutchfish: i can enlighten you, but can you enlighten yourself? |
| 09:58.47 | jim | if you gave a dutchfish a fish, would they then be buddies? |
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| 09:59.34 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 09:59.34 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 09:59.43 | jim | if you taught a dutchfish to fish, would he be a cannibal? :) |
| 10:00.19 | catsup | give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day. Give a man a job on your fishing boat, and *he'll* feed *you*--for life! |
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| 10:00.54 | jim | unless he drinks beer on the boat all day |
| 10:00.57 | dutchfish | !bear catsup |
| 10:00.57 | dpkg | watches a horny pandabear hump catsup |
| 10:01.22 | extor | never thought of pandas as horny |
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| 10:01.45 | catsup | can make anything horny |
| 10:01.47 | jim | how would they reproduce otherwise? |
| 10:01.54 | catsup | jim: they don't reproduce |
| 10:02.10 | jim | this I gotta hear... |
| 10:02.15 | jim | :) |
| 10:02.16 | dutchfish | catsup, but i serious i would like to learn more on this security thing, so far there is no absolute security |
| 10:02.41 | jim | yes there is, but it's absolutely unuseful |
| 10:02.53 | dutchfish | jim, besides that |
| 10:03.14 | jim | you trade usefulness for protection |
| 10:03.16 | jim | usually |
| 10:03.22 | dutchfish | jim, yup |
| 10:04.13 | dutchfish | the only thing so far that comes close is polymorph firewalls |
| 10:04.27 | jim | what's that? |
| 10:04.40 | jim | a dnd spell? |
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| 10:04.56 | dutchfish | a firewall that constantly changes policies |
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| 10:05.09 | jim | ahh, but how is that useful? |
| 10:05.15 | Ace2016 | What is the equivalent of Alt+F2 in kde for gnome? |
| 10:05.31 | Ace2016 | i want to run a program and i can only seem to use the applications menu |
| 10:05.33 | jim | what's alt-f2 do? |
| 10:05.36 | Ace2016 | nothing |
| 10:05.47 | Ace2016 | but in kde its the run command dialogue |
| 10:06.01 | dutchfish | jim, a simple example: a portnock wich opens a port on any out of 65000 ports through a crypted sequence |
| 10:06.03 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 10:06.03 | jim | oh, isnt' there one of those in the gnome menu? |
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| 10:06.11 | HardDisk_WP | i want to recompile Samba for my NSLU2 |
| 10:06.17 | HardDisk_WP | it's arch is arm5tel |
| 10:06.25 | Ace2016 | i have the gnome menu but i want alt+f2 |
| 10:06.36 | HardDisk_WP | and I want to optimize the samba package especially for armv5tel |
| 10:06.44 | jim | is there a run command in that menu? |
| 10:06.45 | HardDisk_WP | but, as the NSLU2 cpu is limited |
| 10:06.49 | HardDisk_WP | i want to crosscompile |
| 10:06.58 | Ace2016 | doesn't look like i |
| 10:06.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I crosscompile .deb packages? |
| 10:06.59 | Ace2016 | it |
| 10:07.02 | jim | you can do one of two things... |
| 10:07.13 | jim | you can either find an existing cross env |
| 10:07.17 | jim | or you can build one |
| 10:07.52 | HardDisk_WP | hm...are crossenv's available as debian packages? |
| 10:07.59 | HardDisk_WP | i never dealt w/ that stuff |
| 10:08.01 | catsup | not for arm |
| 10:08.03 | jim | I don't actually know |
| 10:08.09 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 10:08.17 | HardDisk_WP | how do I build me one? |
| 10:08.17 | catsup | there's a third option |
| 10:08.28 | Ace2016 | ok i'm going back to kde |
| 10:08.34 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, which one? |
| 10:08.35 | catsup | run an arm emulator |
| 10:08.56 | jim | armulator! |
| 10:09.00 | catsup | hehehe |
| 10:09.00 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 10:09.08 | HardDisk_WP | i dont really wanna mess w/ emus |
| 10:09.25 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: you don't really want to mess with compiling gcc either |
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| 10:09.30 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 10:09.34 | jim | I've done it |
| 10:09.42 | orveldv | by chance, does someone know a window manager that lets you specify the workspace margins, like xfce / xfwm does? ( http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfwm4#workspace-margins ) |
| 10:09.47 | empiric | hi all |
| 10:09.49 | jim | in fact I did it a few years before linux :) |
| 10:10.03 | HardDisk_WP | it's pretty easy with apt-build, but I never did crosscompiling or somethin like that |
| 10:10.04 | catsup | i mean, it's straightforward, but it will take a lot longer than installing the armulator |
| 10:10.10 | jim | but not a cross compiler, a native one |
| 10:10.38 | jim | you kinda have to know what you're doing and what's needed... |
| 10:10.52 | jim | you might have to build libs suitable for the cross env |
| 10:10.53 | catsup | eh |
| 10:11.07 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, perhaps try the ones from speedblue.org? |
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| 10:11.32 | jim | I mean, I built native compilers myself, I never did build a cross compiler |
| 10:11.50 | jim | further, I mean you do have to know something about what you' |
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| 10:11.51 | catsup | speedblue, awesome |
| 10:12.15 | jim | re doing, and what other things you need to have in the cross env in order to build things \ |
| 10:12.34 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, seems cool |
| 10:12.39 | jim | there is a file in the gcc source, INSTALL |
| 10:12.50 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, armv5tel is part of arm-linux? |
| 10:12.51 | jim | read that file and then see if you want to do that |
| 10:13.20 | Eulex | catsup, so, what emulator is able to emulate a full arm debian system? |
| 10:13.26 | catsup | Eulex: i duno |
| 10:13.28 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, I assume so. |
| 10:13.49 | jim | to emulate an arm, do you have to deal with the shoulder? |
| 10:13.49 | empiric | i have a folder in some user at /home/user i want user 2 to have full accee to that foler |
| 10:13.51 | empiric | what i do |
| 10:13.53 | catsup | Eulex: qemu should |
| 10:14.01 | Eulex | last time I tried qemu it didn't work, but that was some time ago |
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| 10:14.20 | mat-tina | Ace2016: You could just tell gnome to run kde's run-program-thingy when you press alt+f2. It doesn't need to be a gnome-specific command if you have both kde and gnome installed. |
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| 10:14.53 | Ace2016 | no the run dialogue did not come up when i pressed alt+f2 in gnome |
| 10:15.11 | catsup | http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php |
| 10:15.20 | mat-tina | No, but I think you can change the key bindings |
| 10:15.23 | mat-tina | and add new ones |
| 10:15.25 | Ace2016 | the run dialogue in kde is linked to kdesktop, i remember gnome had alt+f2 but i have no idea why it doesn't work |
| 10:15.32 | Eulex | cool |
| 10:15.53 | mat-tina | I see |
| 10:15.54 | Eulex | so it works now |
| 10:16.42 | catsup | qemu is the future |
| 10:16.42 | dmnd | is apt-get update automaticly run on debian Etch or do i need to add it to cron? |
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| 10:17.03 | dutchfish | dmnd, its nt auto per default |
| 10:17.04 | catsup | eventually, all cpus will be emulations |
| 10:17.12 | dutchfish | dmnd, apt-cron |
| 10:17.20 | dmnd | dutchfish: how would i enable it? there's a /etc/cron.daily/apt etc? |
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| 10:17.30 | catsup | (this will save energy, compensating for the rising price of oil) |
| 10:17.54 | dmnd | dutchfish: i dont have a package called apt-cron? |
| 10:18.05 | Ace2016 | catsup: doubt that |
| 10:18.08 | dutchfish | dmnd, sorry meant cron-apt |
| 10:18.17 | Bushmills | what will run the emulation if all cpus are emulations? |
| 10:18.18 | dutchfish | dmnd, my fault |
| 10:18.20 | dmnd | haha |
| 10:18.20 | dmnd | ok |
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| 10:18.40 | bjwebb | hi |
| 10:18.45 | Ace2016 | Bushmills: maybe the human brain? |
| 10:18.46 | bjwebb | is mencoder included in packages mplayer? |
| 10:19.10 | Ace2016 | no |
| 10:19.38 | dutchfish | catsup, birtual cpus |
| 10:19.40 | Bushmills | Ace2016: aided by pen and paper? |
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| 10:19.47 | dutchfish | s/birtual/virtual |
| 10:19.54 | HardDisk_WP | Bushmills, quantum computors |
| 10:19.55 | dutchfish | curses his stiff fingers |
| 10:20.06 | catsup | Ace2016: ten years ago, less than 1% of cpus were emulated. today, 10% of cpus are emulated. if these trends continue, then by the year 2100, nearly 200% of cpus will be emulated. |
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| 10:20.38 | Eulex | catsup, umh, do you really mean 'emulated' and not 'virtualized'? |
| 10:20.40 | Ace2016 | bjwebb: you can get mencoder from Christian Marillat's repo |
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| 10:20.58 | catsup | Eulex: yes, emulated, like qemu |
| 10:21.01 | bjwebb | out of interest, why is it not included in main? |
| 10:21.14 | Ace2016 | yea virtualised is more like it, emulating a cpu seems a waste |
| 10:21.23 | vvo | i got a problem with bash-completion, want some help |
| 10:21.27 | catsup | nonsense |
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| 10:21.33 | Eulex | catsup, where did you get that 10% figure from? |
| 10:21.35 | catsup | virtualization doesn't give you a real cpu |
| 10:21.42 | Bushmills | and, how would one make semiconductor companies to agree on building only one processing unit (which wouldn't be called "CPU") |
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| 10:21.47 | dutchfish | catsup, do you mean by emulated asics? |
| 10:21.53 | catsup | Eulex: i made it up |
| 10:22.02 | Bushmills | or whatever hardware technology will be used |
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| 10:22.17 | Ace2016 | bash-completeion got updated yesterday in sid |
| 10:22.24 | catsup | Bushmills: there won't be any hardware, it will be all emulation |
| 10:22.24 | mariusp | Hi all, could someone help me blacklist everything related to firewire. I ve added them to blacklist but they keep loading. |
| 10:22.32 | catsup | all hardware will be emulated, not just cpus |
| 10:22.35 | dutchfish | !blacklist |
| 10:22.36 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 10:22.44 | jim | brb msybe :) |
| 10:22.49 | vvo | when entering "cp xxx yyy/", here xxx is a chinese filename, the destination folder yyy/ can not be completed by TAB. how to solve this? thx. |
| 10:22.50 | Bushmills | catsup: and to emulate, you'd use a box of empty space? |
| 10:23.00 | catsup | Bushmills: no, you use an emulator |
| 10:23.04 | HardDisk_WP | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 10:23.04 | dpkg | from memory, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 10:23.08 | Bushmills | paper and pen emulator? |
| 10:23.25 | Bushmills | or, an ant-computer? |
| 10:23.32 | mariusp | dpkg, thats probably it. thanks |
| 10:23.32 | dpkg | mariusp: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:24.28 | catsup | Bushmills: don't be ridiculous |
| 10:24.28 | Bushmills | though even if it contained biological processing units, i reckon it could still be called "CPU" |
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| 10:24.29 | mat-tina | Umm. I upgraded to lenny yesterday, and now I can't apt without being prompted to remove a lot of necessary packages (gdm among other things). |
| 10:24.30 | catsup | a paper and pen emulator! |
| 10:24.34 | mat-tina | Is that normal? |
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| 10:24.56 | Bushmills | how can't i not be ridiculous if you want to run an emulator without having a processor to run it on? |
| 10:25.20 | catsup | Bushmills: uh, of course the emulator will have a processor to run on |
| 10:25.22 | dutchfish | !coffee Bushmills |
| 10:25.22 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Bushmills, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 10:25.35 | catsup | Bushmills: i'm just saying it will be an emulated processor |
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| 10:25.44 | Bushmills | "eventually, all cpus will be emulations" |
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| 10:25.49 | vvo | is there anyone can help me ? |
| 10:25.53 | Bushmills | so no more processors in hardware? |
| 10:25.55 | Eulex | mat-tina, does it do that too if you just run apt-get install? |
| 10:26.00 | catsup | Bushmills: the trend is clear |
| 10:26.01 | dutchfish | !tell vvo about ask |
| 10:26.04 | Bushmills | what would you run an emulation on? |
| 10:26.10 | catsup | another emulation! |
| 10:26.26 | catsup | of course, it sounds fantastic today--but with moore's law, it will be possible soon |
| 10:26.27 | Eulex | Bushmills, please don't feed the troll |
| 10:26.53 | Bushmills | i suppose when he runs out of answers (did so) he's going to call it "joke" again |
| 10:27.13 | catsup | i never make jokes |
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| 10:28.26 | mat-tina | Eulex: Nope, but ncurses-aptitude flags them for removal automatically |
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| 10:28.59 | Eulex | mat-tina, then flag them as manually installed |
| 10:29.09 | Eulex | if you want them. |
| 10:29.12 | mat-tina | Eulex: how do I do that? |
| 10:29.27 | Eulex | '+' in aptitude, apt-get install foo with apt-get |
| 10:30.44 | Eulex | oh wait, no, 'M' |
| 10:30.54 | orveldv | thinks we should have only one package fetcher/ mangler in debian |
| 10:30.55 | Eulex | emh, 'm' |
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| 10:32.32 | HardDisk_WP | on a machine w/o screen or GPU, i want to attach a usb keyboard |
| 10:32.36 | vvo | i have probelm with bash-completion. when entering "cp xxx yyy/", here xxx is a chinese filename, the destination folder yyy/ can not be completed by TAB. how to solve this? thx. |
| 10:32.47 | HardDisk_WP | can I somehow pipe the output of the keyboard to a process? |
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| 10:33.02 | catsup | vvo: does completion work when xxx is not a chinese filename? |
| 10:33.38 | vvo | yes, when it's a normal english filename |
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| 10:34.04 | catsup | vvo: did you do completion on xxx? |
| 10:34.34 | vvo | yes , chinese xxx can do completion. |
| 10:34.49 | rgr_doze | I have a directory full of VOB and IFO files. This is standard DVD content. But how to play the movie as one big movie as opposed to all VOB files individually? Do I need to create an ISO image from the content directory? |
| 10:34.57 | catsup | i mean: after completion on x, does completion on y not work? |
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| 10:35.07 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, maybe you want to look at snooper |
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| 10:35.28 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 10:35.29 | catsup | rgr_doze: use mplayer or vlc |
| 10:35.30 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 10:36.08 | catsup | rgr_doze: both support that layout |
| 10:36.19 | rgr_doze | catsup: and open what? If I open a VOB file it only plays that one file. |
| 10:36.19 | vvo | after completion on xxx, which is chinese filename , the yyy can not be completed. |
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| 10:36.42 | catsup | rgr_doze: the directory |
| 10:36.52 | jim | how would I mount /tmp so that the permissions work properly for a /tmp |
| 10:36.55 | catsup | vvo: well, that is very strange... |
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| 10:36.58 | catsup | jim: chmod +t /tmp |
| 10:37.17 | jim | let me try that |
| 10:37.49 | catsup | hm, should have said chmod 1777 |
| 10:38.07 | rgr_doze | catsup: mplayer doesnt seem to like being passed a directory name. It does nothing. |
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| 10:38.27 | catsup | rgr_doze: oh, you have to say: mplayer -dvd-device [directory] dvd://1 (to play the first dvd title) |
| 10:38.36 | catsup | (to play *from* the first dvd title) |
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| 10:38.49 | dutchfish | rgr_doze, why not author an iso out of those and play directly with vlc? |
| 10:39.02 | jim | ok, and could someone give me the full permission settings for /tmp |
| 10:39.08 | catsup | jim: 1777 |
| 10:39.19 | catsup | should look like this: drwxrwxrwt |
| 10:39.19 | jim | ok, thought so... thanks... bb |
| 10:39.27 | catsup | wtf does he keep leaving? |
| 10:39.40 | rgr_doze | dutchfish: why not indeed - I did ask if I needed to do that too. Best way to create an ISO image? |
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| 10:40.13 | catsup | you don't need to do that |
| 10:40.16 | dutchfish | rgr_doze, ma geisoimage |
| 10:40.20 | dutchfish | rgr_doze, man geisoimage |
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| 10:40.33 | dutchfish | rgr_doze, sorry genisoimage |
| 10:40.40 | choongii | hi. how do I stop inetd from running at boot time ? |
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| 10:41.18 | choongii | nvm, got it |
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| 10:42.10 | rgr_doze | dutchfish: its ok, vlc opens the dir just fine. Thanks. |
| 10:42.14 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, what is the correct /dev file for the keyboard? |
| 10:42.38 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: what do you want to do with the keyboard exactly? |
| 10:43.23 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, something like /dev/input[X]/{keyboard,mouse} |
| 10:43.24 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, i want to use my NSLU2 as music instrument...you know, use the keyboard to control beeps |
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| 10:43.42 | empiric | what abt lndir |
| 10:43.49 | jim | there we go, I changed my /tmp |
| 10:43.53 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, there is only by-id/ by-path/ event0 event1 event2 mice mouse0 |
| 10:44.00 | HardDisk_WP | in /dev/input |
| 10:44.03 | catsup | i don't think there's any device for the keyboard |
| 10:44.25 | jim | they're ttys or ptys or somethign |
| 10:44.27 | catsup | i mean: the terminal devices |
| 10:44.27 | Dewi | does anyone know what format the linux kernel expects for a physical memory address? I want to use max_addr because my RAM is playing up and I need to keep my system running until I can replace it |
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| 10:44.42 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, i cant check curently (not using usb keyb on this one) |
| 10:44.49 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
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| 10:45.04 | HardDisk_WP | well, there is /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:01.1-usb-0\:1\:1.0-event-kbd |
| 10:45.08 | HardDisk_WP | but it gives garbage |
| 10:45.20 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, lsusb? |
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| 10:47.12 | mat-tina | Which media codecs should I install? |
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| 10:48.48 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: use /dev/console |
| 10:49.00 | dutchfish | Dewi, there is a special patch for the kernel to exclude bad ram adress space |
| 10:49.06 | catsup | don't just read from it... |
| 10:49.09 | Dewi | dutchfish: there is a boot param |
| 10:49.17 | catsup | run a process with it as tty |
| 10:49.19 | Dewi | dutchfish: I just don't know how to formualte the address |
| 10:49.37 | Dewi | dutchfish: hex with 0x at start? decimal integer? |
| 10:49.44 | dutchfish | Dewi, prolly 0x yes |
| 10:49.51 | HardDisk_WP | well, there is /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:01.1-usb-0\:1\:1.0-event-kbd |
| 10:49.54 | HardDisk_WP | but it actually only reacts on keyboard presses, so this one is good to start |
| 10:49.55 | Dewi | dutchfish: okay I guess I'll give that a try :) |
| 10:49.55 | HardDisk_WP | but it actually only reacts on keyboard presses, so this one is good to start |
| 10:49.57 | HardDisk_WP | i now only need a garbage-to-ascii-converter |
| 10:49.59 | HardDisk_WP | argh, my bouncer and my DSL connection highly SUCK |
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| 10:51.00 | empiric | hello |
| 10:51.11 | empiric | any one knows abt |
| 10:51.15 | empiric | this thing |
| 10:51.16 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: ok, maybe look at getkeycodes for that |
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| 10:52.09 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, when I cat it, and press keys, they dont appear |
| 10:52.32 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: but you could probably do a lot better, by just having something run in the console and use getch or such |
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| 10:53.10 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, thats the problem: i cant run anything on the console as i cant see anything^^ |
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| 10:53.25 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: you just need a process to set its terminal to /dev/console |
| 10:53.36 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 10:53.47 | HardDisk_WP | how do I do this? |
| 10:53.52 | Dewi | dutchfish: hmm |
| 10:53.53 | catsup | i think just process < /dev/console would suffice |
| 10:53.59 | Dewi | dutchfish: didn't do what I expected; in that top still sees the old total |
| 10:54.09 | Dewi | dutchfish: but perhaps it just won't allocate RAM above the max_addr range.... |
| 10:54.33 | dutchfish | Dewi, i dont know if this patch is included in the stock debian kernels otherwise it wont work |
| 10:54.35 | Dewi | hmmm, what's the easiest way to eat a few megabytes of RAM? |
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| 10:55.45 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: what does 'read -n 1 < /dev/console' do in bash ? |
| 10:56.03 | HardDisk_WP | nothing |
| 10:56.10 | HardDisk_WP | it doesnt even output anything |
| 10:56.19 | catsup | i mean when you hit a key |
| 10:56.38 | dutchfish | Dewi, http://packages.debian.org/kernel-patch-badram |
| 10:57.01 | Bushmills | dewi, with tmpfs, dd to its mountpoint |
| 10:57.21 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, yeah, n othing |
| 10:57.22 | Dewi | dutchfish: I think this is actually a controller fault, because "stripes" of similar addresses will fail at once, and always the first 8 bits of an operation |
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| 10:57.46 | Dewi | dutchfish: but when I intensively memtest86+ the first 48M of RAM it seems to work for over an hour |
| 10:57.48 | dutchfish | Dewi, you can then exclude bad ram on module basis |
| 10:57.54 | catsup | sucks. well you must have to use some ioctl to set the terminal |
| 10:58.00 | HardDisk_WP | no idea |
| 10:58.22 | Dewi | dutchfish: so I think that tiny range is avoiding the "bad" addresses |
| 10:58.24 | dutchfish | Dewi, have you not overspeeded your clock? |
| 10:58.31 | Dewi | dutchfish: nope |
| 10:58.53 | Dewi | dutchfish: I think the mobo is failing |
| 10:58.57 | dutchfish | Dewi, what is your ramspeed in memtest86+ ? |
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| 10:59.08 | Dewi | dutchfish: oh, 166 or 266 or something |
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| 10:59.26 | dutchfish | Dewi, that slow? |
| 10:59.38 | Dewi | dutchfish: yeah, it's jsut a disk holding machine |
| 10:59.43 | valdyn | !badram |
| 10:59.43 | dpkg | from memory, badram is a kernel patch that allows you to safely use RAM modules that have errors - see http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
| 10:59.45 | dutchfish | Dewi, ok |
| 10:59.46 | ootput | are there any dual-pane file managers (eg. filerunner, gentoo, vifm) that allows queueing of processes? I'd like it so that mv'ing files from one pane to the other doesn't take focus, and where I'm free to queue up other processes |
| 10:59.47 | Dewi | dutchfish: it only really needs enough RAM to buffer I/O to the network card... |
| 11:00.04 | dutchfish | Dewi, ok |
| 11:00.21 | Dewi | dutchfish: 48MB might be a little uncomfortable but we'll see :) |
| 11:00.46 | dutchfish | Dewi, i have no idee how to do that, bad the kernel-patch-badram worked for me ones |
| 11:00.57 | Dewi | dutchfish: I might need to use it if this doesn't work |
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| 11:02.05 | Dewi | how can I find out what command line parameters my kernel will respond to? |
| 11:02.10 | Dewi | I can't tell if I'm specifying it wrongly |
| 11:02.14 | Dewi | or if it's unsupported |
| 11:02.17 | dutchfish | Dewi, i used it on IBM 16 bit tokenring cards to exclude regions |
| 11:02.17 | Dewi | (max_addr= ) |
| 11:02.52 | Bushmills | dewi, /usr/src/linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 11:02.55 | Dewi | this switch was added to mainline kernel in 2004 |
| 11:03.20 | Dewi | Bushmills: I don't have that directory; I have a standard debian kernel |
| 11:03.38 | Dewi | (the current one) |
| 11:03.43 | Bushmills | Dewi: that doc comes with kernel sources |
| 11:04.12 | Dewi | is it any different from the same file on kernel.org? |
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| 11:06.11 | Dewi | is there any way to see how linux is responding to the boot params I pass? |
| 11:06.26 | Bushmills | yes. enter them, and you see. |
| 11:06.33 | orveldv | Dewi: dmesg? |
| 11:06.33 | Dewi | Bushmills: well it is ignoring me |
| 11:06.44 | Dewi | orveldv: dmesg doesn't mention the parameter I entered... |
| 11:07.00 | Dewi | except for "kernel command line" |
| 11:07.13 | Dewi | I have used: root=/dev/sda1 ro max_addr=0x3000000 |
| 11:08.00 | dutchfish | Dewi, if CONFIG_DEBUG_BOOT_PARAMS=y you can run your kernel in debug mode |
| 11:08.02 | Bushmills | try free |
| 11:08.38 | Dewi | Bushmills: it's allocated more than that now |
| 11:08.43 | Dewi | 62MB |
| 11:09.09 | Dewi | dutchfish: how do I tell that? |
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| 11:09.47 | dutchfish | Dewi, apropos, memtest86+ has an option how to give those params out of its findings |
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| 11:10.52 | Eulex | Dewi, cat /proc/cmdline |
| 11:11.18 | Dewi | Eulex: same as what I pasted |
| 11:11.25 | dutchfish | Dewi, but i am still not sure if a stock kernel contains the kernel-patch-badram (i believe not) |
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| 11:11.41 | Dewi | dutchfish: I am using a standard switch, not that patch |
| 11:11.47 | vvo | it seems this is the channel with most people for debian, right? |
| 11:11.55 | Dewi | vvo: correct |
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| 11:12.44 | Dewi | I assume "physical memory addresses" would be in bytes... |
| 11:13.16 | Dewi | from kernel-parameters.txt... |
| 11:13.17 | Dewi | "max_addr=[KMG][KNL,BOOT,ia64] All physical memory greater than or equal to this physical address is ignored. |
| 11:13.20 | Dewi | " |
| 11:14.31 | dutchfish | Dewi, that should be an adress in hex format |
| 11:14.48 | Dewi | I used: root=/dev/sda1 ro max_addr=0x3000000 |
| 11:15.03 | Dewi | dutchfish: address in bytes? |
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| 11:15.16 | dutchfish | Dewi, no adress max_addr |
| 11:15.27 | Dewi | ? |
| 11:15.37 | slxix | i'd say bits |
| 11:15.47 | Dewi | I have never written 32 bit assembly! |
| 11:15.56 | Dewi | I have no idea how people normally represent addresses... |
| 11:16.08 | Dewi | but I assumed ulong |
| 11:16.11 | Dewi | in hex |
| 11:16.13 | Dewi | with 0x at front |
| 11:16.19 | Dewi | but the kernel appears to be ignoring that |
| 11:16.25 | Dewi | oh, and 1 = 1 byte |
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| 11:18.16 | dutchfish | Dewi, example (from my old 2.6.8 kernel) irqpoll maxcpus=1 elfcorehdr=524176K max_addr=512M min_addr=256M |
| 11:18.43 | Dewi | dutchfish: hmm, okay |
| 11:18.45 | Dewi | dutchfish: I'll try that form |
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| 11:22.02 | slxix | Dewi: why are you using those parameters? |
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| 11:22.24 | Dewi | slxix: because my controller is occasionally messing up RAM reads/writes |
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| 11:22.29 | Dewi | slxix: but seems okay below 48M |
| 11:22.36 | slxix | yikes !! |
| 11:23.17 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 11:23.19 | Dewi | dutchfish: still ignoring it |
| 11:23.21 | slxix | are you sure it is the controller and not the ram? |
| 11:23.39 | Dewi | slxix: no, but both sticks went dodgy at once if they did |
| 11:23.48 | dutchfish | Dewi, just a totally other thing, did you try with noapic option? |
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| 11:23.57 | Dewi | dutchfish: what's a noapic? |
| 11:24.26 | slxix | hm. i am thinking there is a way to not use bad memory addresses. |
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| 11:25.34 | Dewi | I think a whole class of addresses is involved |
| 11:25.38 | slxix | i remember reading about people "recycling" factory reject memory. |
| 11:25.45 | Dewi | I tend to get occasional "stripes" across big ranges |
| 11:25.53 | Dewi | with problems on the first 8 bits of data |
| 11:26.22 | Dewi | but 48M lasted well over an hour of intensive scanning, which other sizes didn't |
| 11:26.28 | Dewi | (in memtest86+) |
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| 11:26.42 | Dewi | but it looks like I can't get the linux kernel to respond to supposedly standard parameters |
| 11:26.50 | Dewi | or give me any feedback about that at all |
| 11:27.17 | orveldv | maybe it isn't patched? |
| 11:27.32 | Dewi | it's a debian kernel |
| 11:27.35 | Dewi | I have nfi what it has |
| 11:27.49 | dutchfish | Dewi, http://packages.debian.org/kernel-patch-badram |
| 11:27.55 | Dewi | why would it need to be patched to use the switches on kernel.org ? |
| 11:28.05 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 11:28.47 | dutchfish | Dewi, the kernel has that option, but might not neccesarely being patched in debians stock kernel, i really dont know |
| 11:28.51 | slxix | http://badmem.sourceforge.net/docu/BadMEM-HOWTO.html |
| 11:29.26 | Dewi | the problem is striping across ranges of addresses |
| 11:29.35 | Dewi | it's not occupying a specific range |
| 11:29.48 | slxix | it's all ranges? |
| 11:29.53 | Dewi | I just want to specify a small range |
| 11:30.00 | Dewi | so that larger number addresses are simply not used |
| 11:30.49 | dutchfish | Dewi, sound smore like a crappy bios or controller mallfunction, so i would check with noapic kernel option, even look if there is a newer bios that might fix it |
| 11:31.10 | Dewi | dutchfish: what is noapic for? |
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| 11:31.46 | Dewi | I've been using this machine a long time, I've never noticed a problem before this week |
| 11:31.59 | Dewi | although admittedly, the problem was subtle - a few characters swapped to another line in a text file |
| 11:32.06 | dutchfish | Dewi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_APIC_Architecture |
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| 11:32.36 | Dewi | dutchfish: what does it have to do with RAM addressing though? |
| 11:32.43 | Dewi | dutchfish: it's a programmable interrupt controller, right? |
| 11:32.58 | Dewi | dutchfish: I don't see what this has to do with memory corruptions and memtest86 failure? |
| 11:32.58 | dutchfish | Dewi, timing |
| 11:33.14 | Dewi | dutchfish: can I tell memtest86 to noapic to test? |
| 11:33.24 | dutchfish | Dewi, i am not that good to explain, trust me and just check it |
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| 11:33.53 | Dewi | what is there to check? |
| 11:33.58 | dutchfish | Dewi, i believe memtest86+ kernel also accept command line params, yes |
| 11:33.59 | Dewi | I haven't had so much as a seg fault |
| 11:34.10 | Dewi | no error message, nothing |
| 11:34.17 | dutchfish | Dewi, no segs, mmmmmm ... |
| 11:34.21 | Dewi | just some minor differences in a massive text file |
| 11:34.24 | Dewi | which I would never have seen |
| 11:34.27 | Dewi | were I not md5ing it |
| 11:34.38 | Dewi | against another copy from another identical machine |
| 11:34.53 | Dewi | the only place I can easily demonstrate this problem is in memtest, and even there it takes up to 2 hours |
| 11:35.17 | dutchfish | Dewi, could it be a thermal related issue? |
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| 11:35.45 | Dewi | dutchfish: if it is, there's not a lot I can do about it, the case is reasonably well cooled |
| 11:36.16 | dutchfish | Dewi, you could run memtest86+ with an open case in a cool room, to see what that brings |
| 11:36.35 | bkw | hm what application can have caused that ld-linux.so.2 has been taking 98-100%cpu for the last days. Is this related to firefox or thunderbird on etch? |
| 11:36.42 | dutchfish | hates those "not always" bugs |
| 11:36.52 | Dewi | dutchfish: it would probably take more time and money to cool this machine any further than to completely replace it |
| 11:36.56 | Nyle | ey |
| 11:37.00 | Dewi | dutchfish: it seems like that is the case regardless of what I do |
| 11:37.02 | Nyle | Good morning people |
| 11:37.07 | Dewi | dutchfish: I'll just have to totally rebuild the damn thing |
| 11:37.11 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 11:37.23 | Dewi | I've had way too many hardware failures lately |
| 11:37.25 | slxix | or patch your kernel. :) |
| 11:37.36 | dutchfish | Dewi, i wish i had a clear recipe for those, but i dont have, sorry |
| 11:38.01 | Dewi | slxix: I would have to rig all that up on another machine, learn how to build a kernel, learn how to package kernel, learn how to patch a kernel, do it, transfer it, install it, test it |
| 11:38.06 | dutchfish | Dewi, but i think its hardware related |
| 11:38.06 | Dewi | slxix: all for the first time |
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| 11:38.30 | Dewi | slxix: and the stuff I want should already be available, I don't WANT to list all addresses between 48M and 512M on the kernel boot line!! |
| 11:38.51 | dutchfish | Dewi, you could use something like knoppix on cd for that |
| 11:39.01 | Dewi | dutchfish: for what? |
| 11:39.22 | dutchfish | Dewi, to run a kernel on form a live image that can do that |
| 11:39.33 | dutchfish | Dewi, to check it |
| 11:39.42 | Dewi | to check what? |
| 11:39.45 | dutchfish | Dewi, also that doesnt fix it |
| 11:39.58 | slxix | i knew a 13 year old who compiled his own kernel. :) |
| 11:40.16 | dutchfish | !kp-mantra |
| 11:40.16 | dpkg | somebody said kp mantra was make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 11:40.20 | the-dude | it's not that hard |
| 11:40.33 | Dewi | well how come we can't get the thing to take a goddamn boot parameter? |
| 11:40.52 | dutchfish | Dewi, what kernel? |
| 11:40.56 | Dewi | "oh I can't get this parameter to work, I guess I'll compile a kernel" |
| 11:41.04 | Dewi | that's a pretty long shot! |
| 11:41.07 | Dewi | dutchfish: DEBIAN |
| 11:41.19 | dutchfish | Dewi, uname -a |
| 11:41.25 | Dewi | sometimes I think I'm the only person in the world who uses the damn debian kernel! |
| 11:41.38 | Dewi | dutchfish: Linux thorn 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:42.03 | WormFood | I use the stock debian kernel....2.6.22, because the removed the driver I need in the 2.6.24 kernel :( |
| 11:42.46 | Dewi | ugh. the only thing worse than being the only person asking about the debian kernel in #debian, is the number of people who *think* they are using it but clearly aren't |
| 11:43.06 | slxix | dewi, try adding the parameter mem=64m |
| 11:43.52 | Dewi | slxix: the doco says if you use that you have to provide addressing manually for PCI devices |
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| 11:44.20 | slxix | which doco? |
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| 11:44.29 | Dewi | kernel-parameters.txt |
| 11:44.42 | Dewi | "[X86-32] Use together with memmap= to avoid physical address space collisions. Without memmap= PCI devices could be placed at addresses belonging to unused RAM. |
| 11:44.46 | Dewi | " |
| 11:44.51 | Dewi | I don't know how I could do that |
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| 11:48.28 | Dewi | anyway |
| 11:48.32 | Dewi | this is ridiculous |
| 11:48.56 | Dewi | the debian boot/kernel situation is like wandering through the dark without the light of documentation, or meaningful error messages |
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| 11:50.26 | slxix | it sounds like you're frustrated that debian doesn't work right on broken hardware. |
| 11:50.32 | dutchfish | Dewi, i dont want to blame debian for crappy hardware |
| 11:51.07 | Dewi | slxix: I'm frustrated that nobody seems to understand how the debian kernel or boot process works |
| 11:51.45 | dutchfish | Dewi, i explained quiet a lot about that |
| 11:52.01 | Dewi | dutchfish: you said "I don't know what parameters are available" |
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| 11:52.06 | Dewi | "build another kernel" |
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| 11:52.21 | slxix | the correct answer is to add the badmem patches. |
| 11:52.36 | Dewi | do I have specific addresses of problems? |
| 11:52.36 | dutchfish | Dewi, i give you twice the links for that |
| 11:52.36 | Dewi | no |
| 11:52.39 | slxix | a workaround is to play with kernel parameters until things work. |
| 11:52.41 | Dewi | so how would that patch help me? |
| 11:52.51 | Dewi | I don't have the address for an error |
| 11:52.54 | Dewi | because it keeps moving |
| 11:53.05 | Dewi | I would need to specify a BITMASK |
| 11:53.15 | Dewi | not a single byte or page |
| 11:53.39 | Dewi | the obvious simpler alternative is a maximum |
| 11:53.48 | Dewi | which the kernel.org kernel has supported since 2004 |
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| 11:54.04 | Dewi | but there's no documentation on HOW it is used, or whether it is available in debian |
| 11:54.17 | Dewi | and all my random attempts have failed |
| 11:54.19 | heroxbd | Is there a ipv6-counterpart of netselect? |
| 11:54.26 | dutchfish | Dewi, use a live-cd fro that then and stop mucking around in here. Dont be lazy |
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| 11:55.20 | esteel | heh i just noticed there is a debian-hurd NEXUIZ package.. does hurd even has the slightest 3d acceleration support? 8-) |
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| 11:56.06 | Dewi | dutchfish: there's no reason to believe that would help; I might just be specifying the parameter wrongly, or missing something else that needs to happen to activate it |
| 11:56.25 | dutchfish | Dewi, true |
| 11:56.57 | Dewi | so anyway, I'm just going to have to wait a week and buy another machine |
| 11:57.19 | dutchfish | Dewi, what hardware do you have if i may ask? |
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| 11:57.32 | Dewi | dutchfish: athlon 2000mhz |
| 11:57.55 | dutchfish | Dewi, bios? |
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| 11:58.53 | Dewi | dutchfish: not sure |
| 11:59.04 | Dewi | looks like award |
| 11:59.15 | Dewi | it'll be an asus mobo |
| 11:59.22 | dutchfish | Dewi, controller? |
| 11:59.32 | Dewi | I don't use the machine much so I don't know how long the problem has existed for |
| 11:59.39 | Dewi | because it's very random and subtle and polymorphic |
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| 12:00.23 | Dewi | dutchfish: like northbridge? SiS965 |
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| 12:01.08 | mateusz | HI |
| 12:01.14 | dutchfish | Dewi, many SiS sets have bugs wich could relate to your problem, i would delve into apic & lapic |
| 12:01.14 | slxix | Hello |
| 12:01.16 | mateusz | how to pass parameter to module when loading |
| 12:01.18 | mateusz | in debian? |
| 12:01.21 | mateusz | in /etc/modules ? |
| 12:01.25 | mateusz | for example I want to modprobe imq numdevs=2 |
| 12:01.32 | orveldv | Dewi: first, what about cutting the theory and just pass the "mem=" option to the kernel ; and second, on the badram website it is said that if the patch works there will be different "Memory" fields in dmesg, so try your params and if doesn't change the kernel is not patched (and probably it isn't) |
| 12:01.32 | mateusz | before it is loaded |
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| 12:01.53 | heroxbd | !tell mateusz about enter |
| 12:02.00 | Dewi | orveldv: I am using standard kernel patches, not badmem |
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| 12:02.08 | Dewi | orveldv: er params not patches |
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| 12:03.56 | slxix | mateusz: read "man 5 modules" |
| 12:04.06 | slxix | it's short and to the point. :) |
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| 12:04.26 | Dewi | orveldv: okay, that has reduced the total in top |
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| 12:04.53 | Dewi | orveldv: so hopefully it works okay |
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| 12:05.47 | slxix | dewi, does "cat /proc/1/cmdline" show you the parameter? |
| 12:05.59 | Dewi | slxix: yeah, it is working |
| 12:06.04 | Dewi | slxix: so far anyway |
| 12:06.19 | slxix | er? ok. |
| 12:06.26 | Dewi | slxix: mem=48m |
| 12:06.33 | Dewi | slxix: kernel seems to listen to that, unlike the others |
| 12:06.55 | Dewi | slxix: thanks for the suggestion, I just hope it doesn't do anything crazy because I haven't specified a memmap like the documentation says :P |
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| 12:07.25 | Dewi | anyway I am going to make a concious effort only to READ from these hard disks wherever possible |
| 12:07.32 | slxix | orveldv suggested to just do it. :) |
| 12:07.37 | Dewi | hopefully that limits the risk until I can organise a replacement machine |
| 12:07.51 | Dewi | yes orveldv thanks for telling me to just do it |
| 12:07.56 | Dewi | grins |
| 12:08.05 | orveldv | Dewi: "mem=" is a standard kernel option blah blah ... |
| 12:08.28 | slxix | scribbles notes. "blah blah ..." :) |
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| 12:08.45 | Dewi | orveldv: so are the others... but linux seems to like this one |
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| 12:09.32 | Dewi | I basically run just 1 perl script, rsync, and ssh on this machine |
| 12:09.41 | Dewi | if that all fits into 48M this might be alright :P |
| 12:09.49 | Dewi | aah, so crazy |
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| 12:11.39 | Dewi | dutchfish, slxix, Bushmills, orveldv: thank you for all your time and knowledge, and sorry for being grumpy tonight, it's my third system failure in 2 weeks |
| 12:11.56 | dutchfish | Dewi, np :) |
| 12:12.10 | Dewi | fourth if you count discovering windows had been lying about bad blocks for 6 months and you'd been replacing drives for nothing |
| 12:12.55 | slxix | i'm glad i don't work in IT. :) |
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| 12:14.20 | dutchfish | not to mention too solve such issues only with closed source ;) |
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| 12:15.48 | slxix | it'll be neat when we can start "printing" our computers. |
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| 12:16.20 | Dewi | dutchfish: I can confirm that it is worse in the closed source stuff |
| 12:16.22 | quentusrex | Hello all |
| 12:16.36 | slxix | hi quentusrex. how are you? |
| 12:17.09 | quentusrex | I'm doing well. I'm looking for advice regarding a web development environment. |
| 12:17.12 | Dewi | dutchfish: but linux admin is a great exercise in learning that no matter how much I learn, there's an infinite number of things I'm a useless newb in |
| 12:17.29 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 12:17.29 | dpkg | i guess debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 12:17.31 | slxix | Dewi: try hanging out in here for a while. |
| 12:17.43 | Dewi | slxix: I've been here like 6 years |
| 12:17.45 | quentusrex | I will be using Trac and Git. but I'm trying to find something that explains the process of moving the code from git repo to the actual web servers. |
| 12:17.53 | Dewi | slxix: maybe 3 more |
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| 12:18.08 | slxix | oh, hi. i've been here for the past week or so. :) |
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| 12:18.52 | orveldv | I've been here... oh wait, I have to go |
| 12:18.57 | Dewi | slxix: I just stay very firmly in the userland normally |
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| 12:19.44 | slxix | quentusrex: i don't quite understand what you're asking. :) |
| 12:20.11 | Dewi | quentusrex: um... copy the files? |
| 12:20.23 | quentusrex | I'm developing a website, and adding features over time. I'll add them to the git repo. What are the best practices for merging the files into the webservers |
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| 12:20.31 | Dewi | quentusrex: I also use a build process sometimes, driven by ant, if the app is complicated enough |
| 12:20.32 | quentusrex | for when I want to update the webservers |
| 12:20.54 | slxix | are you asking how to use git? |
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| 12:21.08 | quentusrex | I've used git for application development. |
| 12:21.10 | Dewi | quentusrex: personally I tend to make a tarball and upload it, and rename the old directory out of the way so it remains if I need to rollback |
| 12:21.20 | quentusrex | I've never used git for website development and admin. |
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| 12:21.24 | Dewi | quentusrex: and upload is 'scp file host:path' |
| 12:21.50 | dutchfish | !git |
| 12:21.50 | dpkg | somebody said git was version control system that was started by Linus Torvalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 12:21.52 | Dewi | quentusrex: but you might enjoy rsync or even unison |
| 12:21.59 | itchi | quentusrex: Do you want to keep the revisions? |
| 12:22.07 | quentusrex | yes |
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| 12:22.19 | Pypin | i'm having trouble with recording software on etch |
| 12:22.30 | Pypin | can anyone help? |
| 12:22.30 | quentusrex | If something happens to the website, I want to be able to go back a few revisions |
| 12:22.43 | Dewi | Pypin: like audio recording? tried audacity? |
| 12:22.59 | Dewi | quentusrex: some people do VC checkouts directly onto the server |
| 12:23.03 | Dewi | quentusrex: which makes that kind of thing very easy |
| 12:23.25 | Dewi | quentusrex: personally I try to avoid that and "release a tarball" and just rename directories instead of removing them... |
| 12:23.27 | Pypin | ya, tried that...infact i tried to myself using portaudio |
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| 12:23.46 | slxix | Pypin: does your microphone work? |
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| 12:24.12 | Dewi | Pypin: what's the problem? and have you checked the input mixer selection and levels? |
| 12:24.19 | Pypin | ya it does, infact i use audacity on windows |
| 12:24.38 | slxix | does it work on linux? :) |
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| 12:25.28 | dutchfish | !info audacity etch |
| 12:25.48 | Mantaar | justin: no need to apologize. You might mant to read the channel FAQs then: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/Netiquette |
| 12:25.50 | dpkg | audacity: (A fast, cross-platform audio editor), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.4b-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1897 kB, Installed size: 5484 kB |
| 12:26.20 | Mantaar | mah. Sorry. Wrong #debian. |
| 12:26.35 | slxix | Mantaar: no need to apologize. O:) |
| 12:27.22 | Pypin | Dewi: i tried that it gave this error:cannot connect to sound daemon |
| 12:28.07 | Pypin | and : please run esd at the command prompt |
| 12:29.30 | Dewi | !esd |
| 12:29.31 | dpkg | hmm... esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 12:29.35 | Pypin | any suggestion Dewi or slxix? |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | audacity doesn't require esd |
| 12:30.11 | Dewi | Pypin: there are a few sound systems to choose from; I don't know much about them, or whether audacity gives you a choice on which one to use |
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| 12:30.24 | abrotman | probably need to configure it for alsa |
| 12:30.57 | Dewi | Pypin: do you have sound working at all? and if so, you're using alsa right? |
| 12:31.15 | Pypin | i'm using alsa, and playback works fine |
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| 12:33.45 | dutchfish | Pypin, or another app is using your sound system already |
| 12:33.45 | Dewi | does boot fsck clean up appropriately when I ctrl-c it ? |
| 12:34.11 | Pypin | any suggestions on how i should configure alsa abrotman? |
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| 12:34.32 | Dewi | Pypin: in that case check audacity options, is something set to esd that should be set to alsa, for example? |
| 12:35.30 | dutchfish | Pypin, /dev/dsp under preferences does work for me, bu tmake sure no other sound ap is running at the same time |
| 12:35.47 | Pypin | dutchfish: how would another application affect? i mostly have amarok running... |
| 12:36.35 | liable | !ping |
| 12:36.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:36.39 | Dewi | Pypin: it shouldn't, but do try with it closed |
| 12:36.46 | Dewi | liable: plonk |
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| 12:37.57 | liable | StalkR: why you ctcp me? |
| 12:38.02 | Pypin | alrite, i'll try all that...be back in a while |
| 12:38.05 | Pypin | thanks |
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| 12:38.33 | StalkR | liable: script thing, you requested a !ping ;) |
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| 12:38.49 | liable | StalkR: oh, your client does that auto? |
| 12:39.01 | StalkR | nope I scripted that |
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| 12:39.10 | liable | heh |
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| 12:39.20 | StalkR | :) |
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| 12:42.10 | heroxbd | It is very strange the when I apt-get installing something the speed is only 20KB/s. But when I wget from the same server, the speed is 200KB/s. There is a huge difference between apt methods and wget ? |
| 12:42.30 | Dewi | argh, interrupting fsck really does make ext3 go nuts |
| 12:42.53 | Dewi | but I didn't really want to fsck all my disks when I have dodgy RAM want to read them only |
| 12:42.56 | vvo | i tried running WOW by wine, but the performance is far lower than in winxp. is there anyone running WOW in linux with high FPS? |
| 12:42.56 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 12:43.29 | Dewi | heroxbd: is one http and one ftp ? |
| 12:43.40 | heroxbd | Dewi: http on IPv6 |
| 12:43.57 | Dewi | vvo: if there are, you won't find them here, they are busy grinding |
| 12:43.59 | Dewi | winks. |
| 12:44.01 | Mantaar | vvo: what's your gaphics card? If it's ATI, forget it. If it's NVidia, I've heard people reporting higher frame rates with Linux than with WinXP. |
| 12:44.18 | zyx386 | i have pci wireless "Netgear" and will active it under Lenny? is some package for that? |
| 12:44.40 | vvo | mine is nvidia 8400m |
| 12:45.04 | vvo | i'll try to find out the solution. |
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| 12:45.32 | Mantaar | vvo: do you have compiz running in the background? |
| 12:45.39 | vvo | no |
| 12:46.34 | zyx386 | can every one tell me :) |
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| 12:48.57 | Dewi | zyx386: you would need to be more specific than netgear, they make hundreds of devices |
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| 12:49.24 | Akatemik | Hmh, what's the status of SELinux in Debian? I read the debian wiki pages, but I guess I'd like some short description on how painful it would be? |
| 12:50.02 | zyx386 | Dewi, ok that is details "wireless, Netgear, 54 Mbit wireless PCI adapter WG311" |
| 12:50.18 | Akatemik | I'm doing a reinstall of my main system since a hw failure borked everything, so was thinking about some major changes. SELinux popped into my mind when a friend of mine got his box rooted, and I don't trust Xen to do priviledge separation |
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| 12:50.43 | msshams | if i have a index.php and a index.html file in one of my directories .html runs first. how can i change this priority in apache2? |
| 12:50.50 | msshams | if i have a index.php and a index.html file in one of my directories .html runs first. how can i change this priority in apache2? |
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| 12:52.56 | Dewi | zyx386: seen this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=142777&sid=80f4aece997c10586eac54bedbbbac28 |
| 12:53.01 | Dewi | zyx386: might be helpful, I don't know |
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| 12:54.17 | zyx386 | Dewi, that is for vista nad no soulution |
| 12:55.07 | xand | 1~2~how is that for vista? |
| 12:55.11 | xand | -junk |
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| 12:55.23 | Dewi | zyx386: it's not for vista, it's about using windows drivers in linux using ndiswrapper |
| 12:55.24 | piju | mypapit, ? |
| 12:55.35 | Dewi | zyx386: with some wireless that is the only way to make them work |
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| 12:56.01 | zyx386 | Dewi, i will dont use driver from windows, i have linux and will linux |
| 12:56.04 | zyx386 | OK |
| 12:56.08 | zyx386 | thanx |
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| 12:56.36 | Dewi | zyx386: you might want to talk to the hardware manufacturers about that |
| 12:56.51 | Dewi | zyx386: they are very bad with linux support in the wifi world |
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| 12:56.59 | zyx386 | Dewi, no i am sure linux have solution for that |
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| 12:58.08 | liable | what chip does it have? |
| 12:59.10 | Dewi | zyx386: note - the forum article discusses determining which chip it has |
| 12:59.17 | Dewi | s/article/thread/ |
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| 13:00.19 | Pypin | hey Dewi |
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| 13:00.53 | Dewi | Pypin: hi |
| 13:01.11 | Dewi | Pypin: I don't really know anything about sound daemons I'm afraid |
| 13:01.17 | Pypin | i checked out the preferences in audacity...it shows OSS: /dev/dsp as the default device |
| 13:01.21 | Pypin | :) |
| 13:01.59 | Pypin | thats ok |
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| 13:02.08 | Dewi | Pypin: does that node at least exist? |
| 13:02.31 | Pypin | ya it does |
| 13:02.44 | Pypin | playback works |
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| 13:03.12 | Nyle | xand, ping |
| 13:03.15 | Nyle | yes... |
| 13:03.21 | zyx386 | Dewi, you have no answer about my question, also thanx.. if anyone another help me |
| 13:04.24 | Pypin | and i tried: lsof -w $(find /dev -group audio) |
| 13:04.43 | Pypin | and it shows /dev/snd/controlC0 in the ouptut |
| 13:04.53 | Pypin | that was when no sound app was working |
| 13:04.59 | Pypin | anything fishy? |
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| 13:13.11 | Dewi | how do I stop a job from going "Stopped" when I background it? |
| 13:13.35 | Dewi | (I am starting it backgrounded, but am piping the output, and it seems to block) |
| 13:13.57 | asg | Dewi: see if a 'kill -CONT <pid>' gets it moving again |
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| 13:16.17 | Bushmills | dewi, execute bg |
| 13:16.25 | Dewi | asg: I don't know how to find the pid |
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| 13:16.41 | jus | root passwd forget ? |
| 13:16.41 | Dewi | Bushmills: it just stops again |
| 13:16.42 | jus | :( |
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| 13:16.50 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 13:16.50 | dpkg | [ifrp] 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting). Steps 2-6 are the same |
| 13:17.25 | Bushmills | Dewi: when does it stop? anything else than you pressing ctrl-z ? |
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| 13:17.34 | Dewi | Bushmills: stops next bash line |
| 13:17.53 | Dewi | Bushmills: they are backgrounded but they stop right away |
| 13:18.01 | Dewi | Bushmills: I am not hitting ctrl-z at all |
| 13:18.06 | Dewi | Bushmills: I am starting them with & |
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| 13:19.37 | Dewi | nmind, I'll just open a million windows for now :P |
| 13:19.44 | Bushmills | that's a bash script you're backgrounding? |
| 13:21.02 | Bushmills | int may require input |
| 13:21.11 | Bushmills | and stops when trying to get it |
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| 13:23.05 | Bushmills | consider "screen", make it possible to use just one window, at the same time you can keep your script running without taking away console (that is, without the need to background it) |
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| 13:29.37 | lvh | hi |
| 13:29.44 | lvh | does anyone know what the best way is to cut a piece out of an eps file? |
| 13:30.14 | lvh | I have a circuit drawn in gschem (part of geda) -- i just want the (trivial and small) circuit, and not the huge A4 border around it. |
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| 13:44.50 | DeFirence | ok so i screwed up my iptables and cant even ping the box anymore, how can i 'reset' iptables? |
| 13:45.32 | Phil4 | DeFirence, reboot |
| 13:45.44 | DeFirence | Phil4: only way? |
| 13:45.51 | liable | iptables -F iirc |
| 13:46.02 | liable | or Z or X, dunno, look in the man page |
| 13:46.10 | liable | its one of them iirc |
| 13:46.12 | Phil4 | iptables -X && iptables -F |
| 13:46.27 | Mantaar | lvh: AFAIRC gimp can load eps. |
| 13:46.28 | pablo | hi, how can i see who has been loged on on my comp? |
| 13:46.34 | Phil4 | pablo, who |
| 13:46.54 | Mantaar | lvh: you can also type 'convert foo.eps foo.png' and then edit it, if you have ImageMagick installed. |
| 13:47.27 | vvo | w |
| 13:47.41 | pablo | Phil4: sorry? |
| 13:47.57 | Phil4 | pablo, man who |
| 13:48.04 | vvo | pable: w |
| 13:49.25 | pablo | how can i see who has been logged in to my machive recently? |
| 13:49.36 | abrotman | last |
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| 13:50.56 | jus | !ifrp |
| 13:50.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting). Steps 2-6 are the same |
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| 13:51.30 | abrotman | !tell just about ifrp |
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| 13:52.24 | vedant | hi, is there any program which tracks the idle times of a user in gdm? |
| 13:52.30 | Mantaar | abrotman: his/her name is jus, not just :-) |
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| 13:52.34 | pablo | abrotman: hi, is this an attack? http://pastebin.com/m6a82fd78 |
| 13:52.49 | Mantaar | pablo: yes. |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | Mantaar: bah .. |
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| 13:53.16 | abrotman | !tell pablo about fail2ban |
| 13:53.42 | pablo | Mantaar: how can i know if he entered my machine? how can i prevent that attack? |
| 13:54.18 | Mantaar | abrotman instructed dpkg to tell you about that. You should disable root login per ssh altogether. |
| 13:54.32 | pablo | abrotman: ok thx |
| 13:54.58 | abrotman | i thikn that's the default now on etch |
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| 13:55.25 | Mantaar | pablo: in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, search for PermitRootLogin and check it's set to 'no' |
| 13:55.39 | pablo | Mantaar: ok let me see |
| 13:56.48 | pablo | Mantaar: no it is not |
| 13:56.58 | pablo | i set it thanks |
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| 13:57.17 | douglas | Hey |
| 13:57.27 | douglas | how is debian's support for 3945ABG cards |
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| 13:58.28 | xuser | same as linux :P |
| 13:58.42 | Mantaar | pablo: remember to /etc/init.d/sshd restart for the config to be reloaded. Your current ssh sessions won't suffer |
| 13:58.59 | pablo | Mantaar: yep, thank you |
| 13:59.08 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 13:59.08 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu> |
| 13:59.21 | vvo | douglas: i'm using 3945abg, it works on lenny |
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| 13:59.57 | mib_ndl75o | hi there's a smartphone that can run a non embedded linux ? and what are embedded version limits? |
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| 14:02.13 | abrotman | mib_ndl75o: maybe ask ##linux |
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| 14:02.23 | mib_ndl75o | mean i see phone with >500mhz proc. and 192 ram |
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| 14:02.41 | abrotman | mib_ndl75o: i'm not sure how you define smartphone .. but there is the openmoko |
| 14:02.49 | abrotman | i think that's just a basic cell phone thing though |
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| 14:03.57 | mib_ndl75o | practically i guess if there's a way to fit a true linux not a limited one on a cell phone |
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| 14:04.28 | Deezire | mib_ndl75o: 500Mhz mobile processor does not mean the same as a Pentium II 500Mhz |
| 14:04.42 | mib_ndl75o | lower ? |
| 14:04.56 | ma3x_ | i run vncserver - i tried to connect from windows to my debian machine using tightvnc but it cannot establish the connection. why? |
| 14:05.09 | Deezire | It might has the same clockspeed, but not as good bw to memory, fsb and stuff |
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| 14:07.35 | mib_ndl75o | ok so it's easier to attach a tiny display and a battery to an artigo |
| 14:11.29 | lvh | Mantaar: i'd like to keep it in eps |
| 14:11.46 | lvh | Mantaar: gimp afaik can NOT edit eps -- it can turn eps into png and edit the png (correct me if im mistaken |
| 14:14.59 | stew | lvh: the gimp will save files as eps |
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| 14:16.07 | cast | mib_ndl75o: whats a true linux |
| 14:17.01 | Mantaar | How can I set the default browser in Debian if it's not listed by update-alternatives --config x-www-browser (because I installed it from a ubuntu package as Debian doesn't have FF3beta5)? |
| 14:17.02 | Deezire | debian. |
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| 14:17.50 | stew | Mantaar: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu packages |
| 14:17.57 | DeFirence | anyone know if theres a shell scripting support channel? |
| 14:18.05 | stew | DeFirence: #bash |
| 14:18.11 | DeFirence | ty stew |
| 14:18.46 | hikenboot | greetings all--I am trying to cross build linux from scratch and have a question noone will help me with cause they say its too simple I am hoping someone here will help confirm what i think is the right answer http://pastebin.ca/1013735 |
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| 14:19.31 | hikenboot | which is the target triplet for x86_64 vt enabled hardware? |
| 14:19.35 | Mantaar | stew: I'm not asking for help with a ubuntu package. I'm asking for support with the debian method of setting the system-wide x-www-browser to something apt doesn't know of. I might just as well have downleaded the tarball from firefox's site directly and installed/compiled it in /usr/local. My request isn't invalid, just because it contained the dreaded u-word. |
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| 14:19.54 | abrotman | hikenboot: this is #debian .. not #lfs |
| 14:20.02 | stew | Mantaar: 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' |
| 14:20.21 | lvh | stew: ok, coo |
| 14:20.23 | lvh | stew: l |
| 14:20.44 | stew | Mantaar: if its not an alternative, the package you installed is buggy |
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| 14:20.52 | stew | Mantaar: "man update-alternatives" |
| 14:20.56 | lvh | lvh@marvin:~$ gimp // Segmentation fault. <-- interesting |
| 14:20.57 | Mantaar | stew: thanks. My original question (if you wouldhave read it) said that update-alternatives --config x-www-browser didn't list the binary. |
| 14:21.10 | abrotman | Mantaar: http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 14:21.17 | abrotman | looks like beta5 to me |
| 14:21.18 | Deezire | (why would you want to run beta anyway?) |
| 14:21.32 | stew | Mantaar: yes, i read it. you are asking how to set the default browser, this is how. if it doens't work, the package is buggy, and you should ask #ubuntu |
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| 14:21.43 | Mantaar | stew: forget it. |
| 14:22.14 | stew | Mantaar: the bug you are asking about doesn't exist in the debian iceweasel packages |
| 14:23.44 | Mantaar | stew: I'm not asking about a bug. Let me rephrase my question: "how can I tell update-alternatives to recognize a certain binary /some/binary as an alternative in a certain category, say, x-www-browser, so I could be able to swtich to that binary system-wide with update-alternatives --config x-www-browser". |
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| 14:24.45 | jus | !root forget |
| 14:24.45 | jus | !root passwd forget |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | !tell jus about ifrp |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | jus: why don't you write it down? |
| 14:24.45 | jus | ok |
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| 14:24.46 | Mantaar | stew: but I already found out. It's in the man page, the --set name path option seems to do it. |
| 14:24.50 | Mantaar | Thanks anyways. |
| 14:25.06 | hoxu | jus, on a post-it note and put it under the keyboard... adhering to standards is a good thing |
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| 14:27.58 | itchi | Who the hell write down passwords in clear text on papers? :-p |
| 14:28.27 | DeFirence | where in debian does it show interfaces? im trying to write a shell script to get the number of ppp interfaces |
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| 14:28.39 | DeFirence | (other then ifconfig) |
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| 14:30.16 | rhineheart_m | hello.. is there a way to send private message to windows client from debian? |
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| 14:30.46 | tozz | running apt-get update and I get this fancy error: http://paste.debian.net/2518/ (never had a problem with apt before) |
| 14:31.05 | hoxu | !mmap |
| 14:31.05 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 14:31.28 | tozz | thank you |
| 14:31.32 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: like a system or network message ? |
| 14:31.43 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. network message |
| 14:32.04 | rhineheart_m | that will flash on the screen.... |
| 14:32.32 | itchi | rhineheart_m: net send? |
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| 14:33.13 | rhineheart_m | itchi, net send? how to do it? |
| 14:33.19 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: yses netsend .. |
| 14:33.24 | Beerded | yes* |
| 14:33.34 | Beerded | nsend on linux |
| 14:33.35 | rhineheart_m | okay.. can I do it from putty? |
| 14:33.44 | itchi | rhineheart_m: Like the net send, i mean |
| 14:33.47 | stew | tozz: usually that error means you have some redundant sources in your sources.list. and removing the redundant ones will make this go away |
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| 14:34.10 | rhineheart_m | since I want to send a message to a use using the PC on the LAN remotely.. |
| 14:34.13 | hark | Mantaar: install not set |
| 14:34.15 | rhineheart_m | I know it local IP |
| 14:34.20 | tozz | I only have stable and testing, 6 sources |
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| 14:34.24 | rhineheart_m | *its |
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| 14:34.27 | tozz | but increasing the cache worked |
| 14:34.31 | itchi | rhineheart_m: send is not in net on a Debian system |
| 14:34.39 | Mantaar | hark: pardon me? |
| 14:34.49 | rhineheart_m | itchi, what do you mean? |
| 14:35.15 | Beerded | or nsesnd is Netware :p ;) |
| 14:35.43 | itchi | rhineheart_m: On windows boxes you can make use of the 'net send' program to send message, send is a component of the net package/program, but that 'send' option is not available on a debian box it seems |
| 14:36.16 | tozz | stew: if you find something redundant in http://paste.debian.net/2520/ I'm happy to remove it ^^^ |
| 14:36.28 | itchi | At least, older windows systems iirc |
| 14:36.47 | hark | Mantaar: for update-alternatives, --install first :) |
| 14:37.27 | stew | tozz: what versoin of debian are you running? (for instance, what version of the libc6 package do you have installed)? |
| 14:37.54 | tozz | 4.0r3 |
| 14:38.00 | tozz | let me check |
| 14:38.12 | stew | tozz: then you should remove the testing sources. you should not be trying to mix stable and testing |
| 14:38.33 | Mantaar | hark: as far as I understood the manpage, --install is about installing a whole new categry (so I could make up y-www-browser). But I wanted to only add something to the alterns list. Nevermind, I actually succeeded. :-) |
| 14:38.38 | orveldv | DeFirence: /proc/net/dev |
| 14:38.53 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 14:38.59 | stew | Mantaar: it will be removed the next time you upgrade any other browsers |
| 14:39.08 | DeFirence | im busy trying to use ifconfig | grep ppp |
| 14:39.13 | DeFirence | is that beffore orveldv? |
| 14:39.19 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: smbclient -M destination-host -U my-host -n my-host |
| 14:39.37 | rhineheart_m | Beerded, samba can do it? |
| 14:39.45 | orveldv | DeFirence: what's wrong with ifconfig? |
| 14:39.46 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: that was what I found .. |
| 14:40.00 | rhineheart_m | really? |
| 14:40.13 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: http://lists.samba.org/archive/smb-clients/2004-January/000373.html |
| 14:40.17 | DeFirence | orveldv: nothing, but ive never done string manipulation etc in shell scripting |
| 14:40.18 | Mantaar | stew: yeah, probably. would like to see a permanent way of doing this. But I don't update browsers all that often. |
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| 14:40.59 | stew | Mantaar: you could look at what the debian package does, since it doesn't have this bug |
| 14:41.01 | orveldv | DeFirence: ifconfig ppp0 |
| 14:41.02 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: also look at that ksalup program .. |
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| 14:41.14 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. thanks..hope it works |
| 14:41.18 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: even has a .deb ready .. |
| 14:41.26 | DeFirence | orveldv: i want to add all ppp interfaces to an array |
| 14:41.30 | DeFirence | if thats possible |
| 14:41.52 | Beerded | rhineheart_m: http://ksalup.sourceforge.net/#003 just what you need .. |
| 14:41.54 | orveldv | DeFirence: and use them afterwards for smth else? |
| 14:41.58 | DeFirence | i need my script to run in a loop for each ppp interface |
| 14:42.32 | rhineheart_m | hmmm... I think so.. but I look at its features.. somewhat nothing there.. |
| 14:42.33 | Mantaar | stew: Yeah, I could. I'll probably do so later on if I hit an issue. But currently, I don't have the time to... |
| 14:43.16 | orveldv | DeFirence: it looks like you should ask #bash :) |
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| 14:43.32 | DeFirence | lol, i did :/ |
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| 14:44.15 | vjoe | hey |
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| 14:44.43 | hark | Mantaar: aiui, set is the same as --config but non interactive. If it worked, it would have shown up with --config |
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| 14:44.58 | crazyfrog | when the /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc is executed? |
| 14:45.14 | hark | Mantaar: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-diverse |
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| 14:46.15 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.28 | jetscreamer | and do you get asked that a lot |
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| 14:47.24 | Mantaar | hark: thanks for the link! |
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| 14:55.27 | DexterF | hi |
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| 14:56.39 | DexterF | fuse perms issue: want to mount sshfs /mnt/foo as user dexter, which is in group bar. /mnt/foo has 770 perms and belongs to root:bar. fuse says:iled to exec fusermount: Permission denied |
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| 14:57.47 | DexterF | fuse.conf has user_allow_other |
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| 15:03.01 | liable | no, get the 3366 tarball |
| 15:03.39 | orveldv | I'm trying to figure out how aptitude handles metapackages; for instance, when I uninstall kpovmodeler it wants to also uninstall kdegraphics that depends on it, |
| 15:03.42 | orveldv | but when I uninstall kdegraphics it doesn't want to uninstall kde that depends on it ; any idea? |
| 15:04.22 | Mantaar | DexterF: set suid bit on the fusermount executable |
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| 15:06.40 | liable | nope, just build it for youe new kernel |
| 15:06.47 | liable | doh |
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| 15:10.32 | HardDisk_WP | on a NSLU2 without graphic output, I have attached an USB keyboard |
| 15:10.39 | HardDisk_WP | how can I get what I type on the keyboard |
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| 15:30.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:30.43 | o2T7 | Hi, I have both contrib and non-free files added to my sources.list (testing), but I can't find nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:31.55 | abrotman | o2T7: packages.debian.org .. are they in testing ? |
| 15:31.59 | abrotman | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 15:31.59 | dpkg | nvidia_post_etch is probably update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:32.48 | Skratz0r | waves |
| 15:32.54 | Shadow_mil | waves back |
| 15:32.58 | Skratz0r | :) |
| 15:33.00 | Skratz0r | Sup? |
| 15:33.07 | Shadow_mil | Nm, how about you? |
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| 15:33.15 | Skratz0r | Meh, reinstalling Debian |
| 15:33.24 | Skratz0r | Wondering whether to dual boot XP or use Virtual Box |
| 15:33.49 | Shadow_mil | VB will be easier to nuke when you decide you don't need it anymore. |
| 15:33.59 | factor | anyone had problems booting to 2.6.24 kernels under debian testing or above. |
| 15:34.08 | omer | can we ask about ubuntu in this channel? |
| 15:34.09 | factor | the last month I could not do so |
| 15:34.18 | Skratz0r | Shadow_mil; I'm only installing it to get to know it |
| 15:34.22 | Skratz0r | "Know thy enemy" |
| 15:34.31 | Shadow_mil | omer, only if its about how much better debian is then ubuntu. |
| 15:35.15 | factor | did anything change in the latest debian that I need more packages or something to run a 2.6.24 kern |
| 15:35.16 | omer | yeah may be,but i think that perhaps you can help me |
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| 15:35.21 | Shadow_mil | Skratz0r, I would differently go VBox then |
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| 15:35.35 | o2T7 | abrotman: the debian search engine is disabled. I was following the instructions given by dpkg, then it was when i realized that there was no nvidia-kernel-source package available |
| 15:35.45 | Skratz0r | Shadow_mil; cool |
| 15:35.48 | Shadow_mil | dpkg, tell omer about ubuntu |
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| 15:35.50 | abrotman | use the correct search |
| 15:36.12 | quentusrex | how do I find out if my network card supports 1000mbit connection speeds? |
| 15:36.30 | quentusrex | rather than just 100mbit speeds |
| 15:36.49 | factor | I have not gotten a 2.6.24 kernel to work on debian in about a month. |
| 15:36.50 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, look it up online, or read your network card's user guide |
| 15:37.12 | quentusrex | What if I don't have the hardware specs. I can only run commands on the box. |
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| 15:37.22 | defrysk | google |
| 15:37.51 | factor | was wondering if the xfs was compiled into the 2.6.24 debian kern |
| 15:37.55 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, most likely if you do lspci, it will tell you, for example mine says: 05:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 15:37.56 | o2T7 | abrotman: I don't understand you. You mean search on packages.debian.org, or on dpkg? |
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| 15:38.08 | factor | becasue It borks up when trying to mount my root xfs partition. |
| 15:38.15 | Orion_X11 | How could I permanently change this permission for my printer? > dev/usb# chmod 666 lp0 |
| 15:38.21 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, And it only supports 10/100 mbit connection |
| 15:38.34 | abrotman | o2T7: on packages.debian.org .. there is more than one search |
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| 15:39.07 | o2T7 | abrotman: ok |
| 15:40.12 | quentusrex | 00:08.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a2) |
| 15:40.20 | quentusrex | on box 1 |
| 15:40.38 | quentusrex | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 01) |
| 15:40.41 | quentusrex | on box 2 |
| 15:40.54 | quentusrex | but I still only get ~95Mbit of bandwidth between them |
| 15:41.16 | Shadow_mil | The second one support 1000 mbit |
| 15:41.25 | quentusrex | and I have a gigabit switch connecting them to each other and to the rest of the 100mbit network |
| 15:41.54 | o2T7 | abrotman: so, I have to install etch's nvidia-kernel-source package on lenny? |
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| 15:42.02 | abrotman | i doubt that would work |
| 15:42.20 | abrotman | Orion_X11: what group owns the device? |
| 15:42.40 | defrysk | instal the kernel headers and then install the official nvidia drivers |
| 15:42.48 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet is not your Ethernet controller |
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| 15:42.58 | o2T7 | Then, dpkg's help may be broken on nvidia-one-liner's section |
| 15:43.04 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, I don't think |
| 15:43.05 | pobega | I'm running ZSNES from a 32bit chroot...But for some reason it refuses to run in X. So I have to run it from a TTY. Is there any way I could emulate a TTY in an X window or something to make it appear like ZSNES is running in X when in reality it's still running in a virtual terminal? |
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| 15:43.13 | abrotman | o2T7: or you sohuldn't be running testing |
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| 15:43.22 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, pastebin what lspci puts out on the first box |
| 15:43.36 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: crw-rw-rw- 1 root lp 180, 0 2008-05-10 11:20 lp0 |
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| 15:43.54 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: lp |
| 15:43.57 | o2T7 | perhaps, but dpkg assumes that the package is in source |
| 15:43.58 | quentusrex | I'll paste it into #flood |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | o2T7: it also assumes that if you're running testing that oyu understand that it breaks sometimes .. good luck |
| 15:44.28 | abrotman | Orion_X11: you could put yourself in the lp group .. |
| 15:44.33 | o2T7 | abrotman: heh, ok |
| 15:44.43 | abrotman | o2T7: or buy a video card that doesn't suck |
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| 15:44.49 | DeFirence | MARK tcp -- anywhere debian.defirence.za.net tcp dpt:customs MARK set 0x1 |
| 15:45.05 | o2T7 | abrotman: that would be even better |
| 15:45.06 | DeFirence | why would dpt be customs instead of 1001 like it should be? |
| 15:45.30 | defrysk | o2T7, it requires "some knowledge" to run Lenny |
| 15:45.36 | DeFirence | $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i $INT_IF -p tcp -d $INT_IP --dport 100$N -j MARK --set-mark $N |
| 15:45.47 | DeFirence | can anyone see what im doing wrong? :/ |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 15:46.10 | defrysk | uses Sid btw :/ |
| 15:46.25 | o2T7 | !cookie defrysk |
| 15:46.26 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds ... |
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| 15:46.34 | DeFirence | abrotman: channel is dead :( |
| 15:46.41 | abrotman | be patient |
| 15:46.52 | DeFirence | :/ |
| 15:46.55 | DeFirence | ok |
| 15:47.05 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: the group is like this: "lp:x:7:cupsys" > "lp:x:7:cupsys,Orion_X11" . Is it? |
| 15:47.28 | abrotman | Orion_X11: man adduser |
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| 15:53.04 | private_meta | hi there... I have a small problem. I want to load something onto a windows share, but i don't have root, smbmount is not available... anyone know what i can do> |
| 15:53.04 | Shadow_mil | quentusrex, you there? |
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| 15:55.18 | darius12_ | I can't get talkd/ytalk to work in debian lenny. I keep getting Error connection refused |
| 15:55.28 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: Ok. Thx. I will see if it works. But, I think that is a bug in guntenprint or cups (????) > http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=debian-printing&a=2008-02&t=6496011 |
| 15:55.34 | darius12_ | when I try talk someuser |
| 15:55.56 | abrotman | Orion_X11: i don't own a printer |
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| 15:58.26 | darius12_ | ok, turns out xinetd was not up. But still, when I do talk someuser it doesn 't show the invitation in the other's terminal |
| 15:58.47 | darius12_ | and it stays at [no connection yet] |
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| 15:59.11 | darius12_ | mesg is y for both users |
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| 16:11.38 | grand_grunt | I want to use checkinstall to make a .deb.. Which package contains the tool checinstall? |
| 16:11.56 | grand_grunt | aptitude search ~dchecinstall gives no results :( |
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| 16:13.22 | darius12_ | ok, false alarm. It works after I created manually the /etc/xinet.d/{talk,ntalk} files. sorry for the noise |
| 16:13.37 | pobega | grand_grunt, I'm pretty sure checkinstall was removed from the Debian repositories, so you may have to install it by hand from a deb. |
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| 16:15.06 | grand_grunt | pobega: Aouch. ok. Any reason for this remove? :| |
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| 16:15.23 | Hodapp | dmesg says my network device is eth0. ifconfig thinks it's eth1. Where do I set an option to automatically do a DHCP request at startup? |
| 16:15.49 | pobega | grand_grunt, Because the program itself has been known to cause harm to certain systems, as far as I remember. |
| 16:15.57 | pobega | You're probably safer using dh_make and the likes |
| 16:16.39 | grand_grunt | pobega: Ok, thks. |
| 16:16.58 | grand_grunt | pobega: Anyway it seems not to be avalaible on amd64 |
| 16:18.02 | cast | checkinstall was shit so got removed from etch |
| 16:18.05 | cast | !checkinstall |
| 16:18.05 | dpkg | from memory, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
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| 16:18.47 | Hodapp | Why would a device be initialized as eth0 according to dmesg, but then become eth1? |
| 16:18.57 | koolhead17 | Hodapp: click the check box which says enab,e this connection if your doin gui admin |
| 16:19.00 | pobega | Yeah, checkinstall was pretty bad. But you can always use http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackagingHandbook/Creation |
| 16:19.07 | Hodapp | koolhead17: headless server |
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| 16:20.13 | liable | Hodapp: udev |
| 16:20.22 | Hodapp | liable: what? |
| 16:20.23 | liable | !z25 |
| 16:20.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 16:21.43 | Hodapp | ah, ok, thanks |
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| 16:22.13 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 16:22.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
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| 16:24.34 | the-dude | !ax25 |
| 16:24.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ax25 is Radio Amateur's version of X.25 |
| 16:25.53 | WormFood | I've used AX25 before |
| 16:26.08 | WormFood | I talked to costa rica on it, as my first contact after I got my ham radio license :D |
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| 16:26.25 | joey92077 | Hey. |
| 16:26.40 | joey92077 | Anyone here? |
| 16:26.44 | WormFood | no |
| 16:26.48 | joey92077 | -.- |
| 16:26.52 | the-dude | WormFood: from were to were? |
| 16:26.53 | joey92077 | can someone help me? |
| 16:26.54 | WormFood | it is a channel with 835 idle users |
| 16:26.59 | joey92077 | lol |
| 16:27.00 | the-dude | *g* |
| 16:27.01 | joey92077 | for sure. |
| 16:27.01 | WormFood | the-dude, from Florida to Costa Rica |
| 16:27.16 | WormFood | I was near Ocala |
| 16:27.19 | abrotman | !tell joey92077 about ask |
| 16:27.20 | joey92077 | Removing gnome-backgrounds ... |
| 16:27.22 | WormFood | on 10 meters |
| 16:27.23 | joey92077 | oops |
| 16:27.23 | the-dude | WormFood: thats a nice distance :) |
| 16:27.30 | WormFood | indeed |
| 16:27.34 | WormFood | I was pleased with it |
| 16:27.38 | the-dude | whats your callsign ? |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | WormFood: enter is not punctuation |
| 16:27.46 | WormFood | I also talked to NYC on 11 meters |
| 16:28.20 | joey92077 | ya the bot can't answer my question. |
| 16:28.21 | joey92077 | anyways |
| 16:28.24 | WormFood | the-dude, I don't give out my call sign on the internet, due to the fact it has too much info associated with it (address, real name, etc)....it was KE4H** |
| 16:28.36 | the-dude | WormFood: ah ok :) |
| 16:28.45 | WormFood | I have since allowed it to expire, because they wanted too much info (SSN) to renew it |
| 16:28.52 | joey92077 | I am getting an error when trying to configure. "lib/cpp fails sanity check" |
| 16:28.59 | abrotman | !b-e joey92077 |
| 16:28.59 | dpkg | joey92077: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:29.25 | piko | Hi, I have strange experience with conncting to wifi (b) while it is not possible to find the access point with iwlist wlan0 scanning. Windows laptops are ok and I verified that it dos not work with two different debian laptops with two different drivers (both Intl, on ipw39.., the other one iwl4965, none of thm is abl to detect it. Could anyone help? |
| 16:29.30 | joey92077 | it is installed |
| 16:29.56 | abrotman | piko: did you get the firmware for your devices? |
| 16:30.07 | abrotman | joey92077: can you compile a helloworld() ? |
| 16:30.12 | piko | abrotman: I think, yes .... |
| 16:30.18 | abrotman | double check |
| 16:30.32 | WormFood | piko, have you tried a live linux on CD? for testing wireless I like backtrack |
| 16:31.07 | abrotman | joey92077: do not msg me |
| 16:31.12 | WormFood | backtrack seems to come with all the wireless firmwares...it is rather impressive |
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| 16:31.23 | joey92077 | abrotman: ok |
| 16:31.23 | piko | abrotman: I have firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:31.37 | joey92077 | abrotman: how do I compile a helloworld |
| 16:31.41 | piko | WormFood: not yet, unfortunatly i have none here |
| 16:31.58 | abrotman | joey92077: google "C++ hello world" for a sample |
| 16:32.03 | WormFood | sorry my suggestion is away from debian, but I only suggest it as a test of your hardware/software setup to know where to look for a solution |
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| 16:33.09 | piko | WormFood: I see what you mean, but I checked it with windows and I am able to detect it with my hotspot finder |
| 16:33.44 | WormFood | type "dmesg|less" and see if that gives you any clues |
| 16:34.23 | WormFood | unfortunately windows isn't a good test, because "everything" works under winblows |
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| 16:34.53 | WormFood | my cisco 350 wireless card works fine under windows, but not under Linux (randomly changes channels) |
| 16:35.35 | WormFood | it only randomly changes channels when in monitor mode, which makes scanning with kismet useless, but it works for connecting to an AP |
| 16:35.35 | piko | WormFood: oh, isn't it some kernel bug? |
| 16:35.43 | WormFood | no, that is not a kernel problem |
| 16:35.53 | WormFood | it is just not well supported under Linux |
| 16:36.03 | WormFood | I ended up buying a prism54 card for less than $8 |
| 16:36.25 | piko | WormFood: earn your time ... :) |
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| 16:37.30 | piko | so abrotman or anyone, have you any clue? |
| 16:37.50 | WormFood | now I need to go back and either find a usb wireless card, or an atheros card, so I can experiment with active wep cracking |
| 16:38.00 | abrotman | piko: any hints in dmesg ? |
| 16:38.36 | WormFood | piko, give me root access to your machine, and I'll take a quick look at it |
| 16:38.37 | WormFood | :P |
| 16:38.37 | piko | abrotman: hmm, I will check if it is ok when switching it on |
| 16:38.52 | abrotman | WormFood: never ever do that again |
| 16:39.27 | piko | WormFood: that is really good idea, I heard similar joke about someone hacking the 127.0.0.1 address and formatting drive, no, thanks |
| 16:39.41 | joey92077 | abrotman: no i can't compile anything. i get a gtk/gtk.h not found |
| 16:39.48 | WormFood | heh...do what? nodoby would be stupid enough to give out their root password, and if they did, I wouldn't use it |
| 16:39.51 | abrotman | !tell joey92077 about search |
| 16:40.00 | abrotman | WormFood: NEVER DO THAT AGAIN |
| 16:40.03 | abrotman | in humor or otherwise |
| 16:40.56 | N0S3 | hello , some frontend for XMMS2 similar at the old XMMS? |
| 16:41.02 | abrotman | audacious |
| 16:41.03 | WormFood | piko, we can't fix it for you, if you don't follow our advice (looking at dmesg), then you'll probably not get it fixed any time soon |
| 16:41.32 | WormFood | piko, as far as someone "hacking 127.0.0.1" and formatting a hard drive, if they were not stupid and trying to be malicious, then they wouldn't have had any problems. |
| 16:41.34 | abrotman | N0S3: audacious is a simliar looking player to xmms |
| 16:42.35 | N0S3 | abrotman, ah ok thanks friend |
| 16:42.39 | piko | abrotman: I checked dmesg after restarting networking, no special messages in dmesg, I will check reloading driver |
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| 16:42.57 | piko | WormFood: this kind of jokes is hated by newbies really |
| 16:44.02 | WormFood | I think someone trying to erase someone elses hard drive, only to erase their own hard drive is poetic justice. |
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| 16:47.52 | w00fa | guys, why does every click I do with the mouse in KDE results in two clicks? it's like I have two mice installed, is there a way to check the list of loaded modules for usbmice ?guys, why does every click I do with the mouse in KDE results in two clicks? it's like I have two mice installed, is there a way to check the list of loaded modules for usbmice ? |
| 16:48.47 | piko | w00fa: like clicking on icon? |
| 16:49.34 | w00fa | or a text field |
| 16:49.39 | w00fa | it's just the dry kde settings |
| 16:49.44 | w00fa | in peripherals -> mouse |
| 16:50.51 | piko | w00fa:just guessing, KDE is set to use double click on single click, I think |
| 16:51.18 | piko | w00fa: so, could you verify it in settings? |
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| 16:51.36 | w00fa | I did |
| 16:51.40 | enouf | w00fa: poke around much more in kcontrol for that behaviour |
| 16:52.01 | enouf | w00fa: open konq and set it there too |
| 16:52.08 | Nyle | enouf, you also use kde? |
| 16:52.16 | enouf | (since thats it's overarching behemoth) |
| 16:52.27 | piko | abrotman: rmmod iwl4965 and modprobe iwl4965 seems to produce sensible log like the wifi is up and running, nevertheless it does not work |
| 16:52.28 | enouf | Nyle: i have tried in the past O_o |
| 16:52.32 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:52.44 | Nyle | yeh well |
| 16:52.49 | Nyle | if you wanna be cool, you gotta use kde |
| 16:52.57 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:52.57 | enouf | Nyle: quickly put the gearbox into reverse! though ;-) |
| 16:53.13 | Nyle | bah, you dunno whas goin on in the worldman |
| 16:53.16 | Nyle | :D |
| 16:53.29 | Nyle | I am daring today... to upgrade sid box |
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| 16:56.30 | piko | abrotman: ok,I am able to see the network after modifying /etc/network/interfaces, but not to get ip address |
| 16:56.51 | abrotman | modify it how ? |
| 16:56.59 | RainbowW | so i'm trying to rescue a system, rsync -av oldrive newdrive. will doing this with /var/lib/mysql work to preserve my old mysql databases (yes, mysql will be shut down when i do this) ... |
| 16:58.02 | piko | abrotman: to contain auto ... wlan0 and iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | what if you run dhclient manually ? |
| 16:58.34 | piko | abrotman: same result |
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| 16:58.56 | piko | abrotman: actually I am not sure if it is b (as AP), how to set it up? |
| 16:59.05 | piko | I found nothing in man ... |
| 16:59.30 | piko | I mean in iwconfig |
| 17:00.13 | abrotman | set what up ? a manual IP ? |
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| 17:01.45 | liable | piko: does iwconfig show it as associated? |
| 17:02.15 | piko | abrotman: not, the B (not G, not A) |
| 17:02.32 | abrotman | you want to set the wifi mode ? |
| 17:02.38 | piko | liable: yes, I set essid |
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| 17:03.30 | piko | abrotman: yes, I am able to assure that the mode is B, (wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ...) |
| 17:03.53 | limpio | hi, is it worth using 'apt-build' to install apps? |
| 17:03.54 | liable | piko: but does it actually show a signal strength and mac address of the ap? |
| 17:03.55 | piko | sorry, the mode is not B, it is G |
| 17:05.12 | liable | i dont think you can implicitly set mode in iwl. iwpriv shows nothing for my 3945 |
| 17:05.23 | piko | See http://rafb.net/p/9So17u57.html for my iwconfig |
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| 17:06.00 | joey92077 | everyone: still getting sanity check error |
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| 17:06.10 | liable | looks ok. |
| 17:06.15 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 17:06.24 | acehigh | hows things goin |
| 17:06.28 | joey92077 | anyone want to helpme in query |
| 17:06.42 | joey92077 | since everyone else gives me crap to use the dpkg bot which doesnt work |
| 17:07.10 | Nyle | Need to get 263MB of archives. |
| 17:07.13 | Nyle | eh |
| 17:07.14 | joey92077 | lol |
| 17:07.14 | Nyle | not bad |
| 17:07.22 | limpio | anybody using apt-build? |
| 17:07.23 | Nyle | sid upgrade should be done in 10-15min |
| 17:07.36 | piko | liable: ok, so the problem could be that intel iwl/ipw drivers can not use B? |
| 17:08.15 | Nyle | um whats the word on the python transition in sid |
| 17:08.53 | Nyle | are there any words at all? |
| 17:09.50 | liable | piko: yes they can use b |
| 17:09.59 | abrotman | joey92077: i thought you couldn't find gtk.h ... make up your mind |
| 17:10.28 | piko | liable: I know, but how if it is not set automatically nor iwpriv |
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| 17:10.52 | liable | piko: i guess it just uses whatever the ap is set to |
| 17:11.06 | joey92077 | abrotman: that was when trying to compile helloworld |
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| 17:11.16 | abrotman | joey92077: and did it compile? |
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| 17:11.26 | joey92077 | abrotman: no I got that stupid gtk error |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | jesus |
| 17:11.37 | joey92077 | everything is installed: gtk,cpp,gtk++ |
| 17:11.39 | joey92077 | everything |
| 17:11.47 | abrotman | what are you compiling ? |
| 17:11.59 | joey92077 | it does it whenever I try to configure something |
| 17:12.09 | abrotman | http://www.engin.umd.umich.edu/CIS/course.des/cis400/cpp/hworld.html |
| 17:12.12 | joey92077 | I get a /lib/cpp fails sanity check |
| 17:12.19 | abrotman | compile that .. not whatever stupid gtk version you're fucking with |
| 17:13.14 | DavidProck1981 | would ant one know why if i leave my pc on over night downloading stuff with ktorrent, when i get up in the morn my pc cant access the internet at all, no app, and Ctrl+Alt+Backspase wont even fix the problem |
| 17:13.24 | DavidProck1981 | i have to do a complete restart |
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| 17:15.50 | joey92077 | #include <iostream.h> |
| 17:15.50 | joey92077 | main() |
| 17:15.50 | joey92077 | { |
| 17:15.50 | joey92077 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.50 | joey92077 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.51 | helo_ | sorry to be offtopic, but could someone point me to info about enabling ip cloaking? |
| 17:15.54 | Hodapp | When I do not have a monitor plugged in, my system fails to boot and stops at "BIOS data check successful" (which I see when I plug a monitor in to figure out why the thing won't boot). |
| 17:15.59 | Hodapp | it's kernel 2.6.18 |
| 17:16.10 | helo_ | (on freenode irc servers) |
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| 17:17.37 | Hodapp | Damn Small Linux boots okay without a monitor, and maybe CentOS (can't remember) |
| 17:19.41 | DavidProck1981 | Hodapp maby durring start up with the monitor plug in, the os is tring to use the wrong settings causeing it to lock ??? |
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| 17:20.27 | DavidProck1981 | are u pourposly wanting to boot with out a way to see ??????????? |
| 17:20.38 | Hodapp | It's a headless server. |
| 17:20.49 | Hodapp | The only reason I plugged in a monitor is to see why it wouldn't boot. |
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| 17:21.04 | joey92077 | abrotman: i get a bunch of errors when trying to compile |
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| 17:21.53 | liable | helo: see the freenode faq |
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| 17:23.21 | joey92077 | liable: where did abrot go |
| 17:23.22 | joey92077 | :p |
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| 17:23.57 | liable | dunno |
| 17:24.17 | helo | woot |
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| 17:26.00 | Shifty | hi all |
| 17:26.03 | DavidProck1981 | w00t w00t |
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| 17:26.49 | Buck | how do I install the latest version of firefox with apt-get ? |
| 17:26.55 | Shifty | i installed mydns-mysql, first i had to enter the mysql pw that did i wrong... how do i reconfigure it? |
| 17:27.06 | hoxu | Buck, it's called iceweasel |
| 17:27.14 | joey92077 | ya |
| 17:27.19 | joey92077 | apt-get install firefox works to |
| 17:27.26 | joey92077 | it installs iceweasel though |
| 17:27.32 | joey92077 | well it did for me |
| 17:27.45 | DavidProck1981 | aprirude is better than apt-get |
| 17:27.55 | joey92077 | lol |
| 17:27.57 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude* |
| 17:28.05 | joey92077 | are you rooby roo |
| 17:28.13 | joey92077 | lol |
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| 17:28.26 | hoxu | Buck, what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:28.29 | joey92077 | aptitude and apt-get are they same thing to me |
| 17:28.31 | DavidProck1981 | r00by? |
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| 17:28.42 | St0n3-C0l | How to configure a new xorg.conf? |
| 17:28.47 | St0n3-C0l | xorgconfig? |
| 17:28.47 | hoxu | !drxx |
| 17:28.47 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 17:29.00 | toad_ | grub-install consistently segfaults in grub-probe, any idea? |
| 17:29.03 | Buck | hoxu: how do I find out? |
| 17:29.14 | joey92077 | Buck |
| 17:29.20 | Buck | joey92077 |
| 17:29.20 | hoxu | toad_, check the bts, and show us your device.map |
| 17:29.22 | joey92077 | what do you have installed |
| 17:29.28 | joey92077 | gnome kde or none |
| 17:29.30 | St0n3-C0l | hoxu: I did that, but it just writes it and configures it automatically, but i think my desktop is quite slow cos of that |
| 17:29.31 | stew | dpkg: drxx =~ s/If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>.// |
| 17:29.31 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:29.32 | Buck | kde |
| 17:29.33 | joey92077 | jk |
| 17:29.34 | joey92077 | ok |
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| 17:29.41 | joey92077 | do you have iceweasel? |
| 17:29.46 | hoxu | !tell joey92077 about enter |
| 17:29.55 | Buck | yes |
| 17:29.59 | joey92077 | thats firefox |
| 17:30.03 | hoxu | toad_, I had that same problem, had to wipe my device.map and put only one entry there |
| 17:30.04 | St0n3-C0l | Last night I updated my box so xorg was updated too. I use lenny. Since then it's quite slow |
| 17:30.10 | toad_ | hoxu: maybe i just need to update device.map manually? |
| 17:30.13 | Buck | I know.. but it's version 2.0.0.4 or so when it should be 2.0.0.14 |
| 17:30.19 | hoxu | toad_, possible |
| 17:30.23 | stew | St0n3-C0l: which driver were you using? which driver is being used now? |
| 17:30.25 | joey92077 | OH, ok. |
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| 17:30.36 | joey92077 | buck, im not sure then |
| 17:30.37 | hoxu | !tell Buck about bpo |
| 17:30.52 | St0n3-C0l | stew: I don't know, all is auto updated. I do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but just taking keyboard and other info it exits |
| 17:30.55 | toad_ | hmmm i added sdd to device.map and grub-install still segfaults |
| 17:31.05 | St0n3-C0l | I've btw xserver-xorg-intel |
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| 17:31.09 | toad_ | also in grub-probe |
| 17:31.09 | Buck | alright, thanks joey92077 |
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| 17:31.29 | joey92077 | Buck read the query you got from dpkg |
| 17:31.30 | St0n3-C0l | for video driver...cos i've i810. I checked in synaptic and i810 is a dummy package for intel |
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| 17:31.43 | Buck | it seems to be about using older versions afaict |
| 17:31.44 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 17:31.48 | stew | St0n3-C0l: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should indicate which driver you are using |
| 17:31.49 | hoxu | toad_, show us your device.map and menu.lst |
| 17:32.07 | Shifty | how do i remove mydns-mysql complete from my debian? |
| 17:32.16 | hoxu | Shifty, purge |
| 17:32.22 | joey92077 | Shift, what did you use to install it? |
| 17:32.23 | Shifty | it hangs on that :( |
| 17:32.32 | joey92077 | apt-ger or aptitude |
| 17:32.34 | joey92077 | get* |
| 17:32.39 | Shifty | aptitude |
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| 17:32.49 | joey92077 | aptitude remove mydns-mysql? |
| 17:32.52 | joey92077 | shouldn't that work? |
| 17:32.59 | acehigh | anyone know how to get emerald working with compiz? |
| 17:33.01 | uzbek | i'd like to install tesseract-ocr from source (apt installed tesseract isn't working). but in make-install step im getting error, i don't know how solve it. please help!!! http://dpaste.com/49238/ |
| 17:33.08 | Shifty | that does, but i want to reinstall it... but that doesnt work |
| 17:33.19 | joey92077 | oh ok. |
| 17:33.20 | stew | Shifty: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 17:33.20 | toad_ | what are you looking for in menu.lst? |
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| 17:33.39 | Riotblade | Hey, I just recompiled the kernel to increase the FD_SETSIZE constant within posix.h but when I reinstalled the kernel and loaded it, I found out the FD_SETSIZE define from /usr/include/sys/select.h is still reading from the old value. Anybody have any solutions? |
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| 17:34.03 | St0n3-C0l | stew: I am confused, everywhere i can see intel thing ehe |
| 17:34.05 | uzbek | i installed sun-java6-jdk, sun-java6-jre, but apparently i need to install some more java :( |
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| 17:34.22 | Shifty | stew, i get access denied for user root ... bla ... bla ... bla |
| 17:34.29 | stew | Shifty: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:34.36 | joey92077 | uzbek |
| 17:34.41 | stew | uzbek: what makes you say that? |
| 17:34.42 | acehigh | brb |
| 17:34.45 | St0n3-C0l | ok gr8 intel is the driver |
| 17:34.50 | joey92077 | uzbek, what are you using it for? |
| 17:34.53 | St0n3-C0l | I will be back in few minutes |
| 17:35.07 | uzbek | joey92077, to ocr scanned text |
| 17:35.17 | joey92077 | uzbek, i had a problem with the jdk6 and jre6 with it working. |
| 17:35.32 | stew | uzbek: what makes you think you need to 'install some more java' |
| 17:35.38 | stew | uzbek: is there some error? |
| 17:35.48 | uzbek | stew im still getting that 'java' error |
| 17:35.49 | joey92077 | uzbek, try aptitude install sun-java5-jdk, sun-java5-jre |
| 17:35.58 | joey92077 | that is the only way I got it to work for me. |
| 17:36.09 | uzbek | joey92077, ok, i'll try |
| 17:36.18 | uzbek | stew any hints? |
| 17:36.19 | toad_ | hoxu: http://amphibian.dyndns.org/device.map |
| 17:36.35 | joey92077 | for somereason eclipse/netbeans/ and other java compilers, or any programs were not finding java6, but they found java5 after I installed it. |
| 17:36.38 | stew | uzbek: http://dpaste.com/49238/ <- that? |
| 17:36.48 | toad_ | hoxu: http://amphibian.dyndns.org/menu.lst |
| 17:36.51 | Shifty | stew, http://pastebin.ca/1013889 |
| 17:36.55 | toad_ | hoxu: any idea? |
| 17:36.56 | uzbek | it is make install lines |
| 17:37.09 | toad_ | is there any way to make grub-install not do a probe? |
| 17:37.16 | uzbek | stew, i pasted there last lines of make install |
| 17:37.42 | stew | uzbek: it appear that a makefile is missing, is there a file named "Makefile" in the directory where it gets the error? |
| 17:37.45 | Shifty | stew, first time i had to type in my mysql root password... but i did that wrong... now i cant change it in any config ... :( |
| 17:37.53 | stew | uzbek: (this is not an indication that you need to reinstall java) |
| 17:38.04 | stew | Shifty: why can't you change it? |
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| 17:38.18 | w00fa | how come when I use evdev for my mouse in X it either acts as if two mice are connected (every click is considered a double click) or when I'll restart x it will load as normally, as a single clicker, but I won't be able to move the mouse horizontally, only up and down .. if I switch back to the generic mouse driver it works great but that doesnt have back/forward in thumb buttons.. is my evdev driver busted? I tried reinstalling, no |
| 17:38.20 | uzbek | stew, yes, there are two files: makefile and Makefile |
| 17:38.23 | w00fa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.43 | toad_ | it might be this one, but it's supposed to be fixed, isn't it? : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477175 |
| 17:38.49 | joey92077 | I guess ill just run a cs server for now. |
| 17:38.49 | joey92077 | :p |
| 17:38.52 | stew | uzbek: does 'home/mend/ustaxona/ocr/tesseract-ocr/java/Makefile' have a 'install:' target? |
| 17:38.54 | Shifty | i dont know where (not the mysql root pw) |
| 17:39.12 | uzbek | stew, how to check it? |
| 17:39.26 | hoxu | toad_, think there are several bugs, grub-probe seems like a shitty piece of software :p |
| 17:39.28 | stew | uzbek: pager /home/mend/ustaxona/ocr/tesseract-ocr/java/Makefile |
| 17:39.36 | Riotblade | Hey, anyone know how to update /usr/include files to reflect the new kernel settings? |
| 17:39.42 | stew | uzbek: perhaps you need to reread the INSTALL or README that came with whatever software this is |
| 17:39.59 | stew | Riotblade: /usr/include doesn't need to change when you change kernels |
| 17:40.17 | stew | Shifty: try 'dpkg-reconfigure packagename' |
| 17:40.21 | stew | Riotblade: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:40.21 | Riotblade | stew, well, the new FD_SETSIZE is 7168 and it's still reading off of the old 1024 |
| 17:40.26 | Shifty | stew, doesnt work |
| 17:40.27 | uzbek | stew, i read. it says to do just ./configure, make, make install |
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| 17:40.35 | stew | Shifty: be more specific |
| 17:40.40 | toad_ | hoxu: :( |
| 17:40.47 | stew | uzbek: then the software is buggy |
| 17:40.49 | toad_ | hoxu: there's a possible fix at the end of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474931 |
| 17:41.13 | Shifty | stew, mydns-mysql is damaged or not completly installed |
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| 17:41.35 | toad_ | is there any easy way to get the fixed package or do i need to compile it myself? silly question... |
| 17:41.40 | stew | Shifty: aptitude -f install |
| 17:41.41 | Shifty | and on reinstall i get the errors like in the paste |
| 17:42.06 | stew | toad_: what version of grub-common do you have installed now? |
| 17:42.19 | Shifty | stew, same error like in the paste bin |
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| 17:42.34 | Riotblade | stew, nevermind, sorry I forgot to recompile my app |
| 17:42.38 | stew | Shifty: edit the config files by hand then |
| 17:42.50 | toad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.50 | toad_ | i A 1.96+20080429-1 |
| 17:42.59 | hoxu | toad_, you should've used http://rafb.net/paste/ instead, couldn't access your dyndns thingy... anyway, I successfully worked around that creating a device.map with only the disk I needed to have there |
| 17:43.00 | toad_ | apparently that's the only version available atm |
| 17:43.16 | toad_ | hoxu: that's odd, I did that and it still probed and segfaulted |
| 17:43.31 | Shifty | stew, thats the problem, the root password is nowhere written down (for mydns-mysql) or i just dont know where... |
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| 17:43.37 | wd | to upgrade from sarge to etch... apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:43.43 | toad_ | copies to dyndns |
| 17:43.48 | stew | Shifty: have you looked in the mydns-mysql config files? |
| 17:43.49 | hoxu | toad_, hrmh, anything special about the partitions on that disk? |
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| 17:43.55 | stew | wd: no, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:44.05 | toad_ | http://rafb.net/p/KzbqSd76.html |
| 17:44.06 | wd | stew: k |
| 17:44.18 | Shifty | stew, yes there are only the config for the mydns-mysql not for the install |
| 17:44.22 | toad_ | what's wrong with this device.map ? why does grub-install still insist on probing? |
| 17:44.25 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.46 | toad_ | hoxu: it's complaining about sdb2 when it crashes ... sdb2 is my root partition i think |
| 17:45.25 | toad_ | no... |
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| 17:45.39 | toad_ | grub-probe -v /dev/sdd segfaults after opening /dev/sdd3 |
| 17:45.43 | toad_ | err /dev/sdb3 |
| 17:45.45 | wd | stew: /msg here right? |
| 17:45.50 | toad_ | which used to be an LVM pv |
| 17:45.54 | stew | dpkg: tell wd about sarge->etch |
| 17:45.54 | toad_ | oh, i should pvdestroy it, right? |
| 17:46.03 | hoxu | toad_, what if you just leave "(hd0) /dev/sdb" in device.map? |
| 17:46.41 | toad_ | aha |
| 17:46.45 | Zero_Dogg | is there a way to limit a sudo session to a single terminal? ie. so that if I sudo in one, then log in in another term and sudo, it prompts me for a password? (etch) |
| 17:46.46 | toad_ | does pvremove /dev/sdb3 ... and it works |
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| 17:47.04 | wd | stew: dpkg mad at me? :) |
| 17:47.17 | wd | stew: oh nvm.. i see it. |
| 17:47.30 | toad_ | okay, so i should file a bug that grub-install crashes in grub-probe if any partition is an LVM PV which isn't part of any VG but hasn't been pvremove'd yet |
| 17:47.34 | toad_ | should this be a new bug? |
| 17:47.46 | toad_ | or a comment on #474931 ? |
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| 17:48.07 | hoxu | toad_, it's tagged fixed-upstream |
| 17:48.17 | hoxu | toad_, so it's fixed but not in debian yet I guess |
| 17:48.19 | toad_ | hoxu: hopefully this is the same bug then, so i can forget about it |
| 17:48.48 | toad_ | hoxu: right? |
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| 17:48.57 | hoxu | toad_, right, I think :) |
| 17:49.00 | toad_ | :) |
| 17:49.05 | toad_ | okay |
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| 17:49.26 | toad_ | worries about what will happen when he removes /dev/sdb and the whole drive order goes bananas ... |
| 17:49.37 | toad_ | i suppose that's easily fixed with a boot disk |
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| 17:50.26 | toad_ | has had whole system hangs when trying to do online pvmove's too, had to go to single user mode :( |
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| 17:50.40 | toad_ | today i mean |
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| 17:50.56 | toad_ | maybe because of swap-on-lvm |
| 17:51.03 | toad_ | anyway, thanks folks |
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| 17:53.02 | vvo | is there any video cast client to watch online video in debian ? |
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| 17:53.36 | GhostInTheShell | ps x |
| 17:53.39 | GhostInTheShell | ops |
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| 17:54.54 | simonrvn | kernel configuration is getting complex... |
| 17:55.22 | simonrvn | never thought he'd say that |
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| 17:55.58 | sauvin | "getting"? |
| 17:55.59 | jelly-home | or simonrvn is getting old |
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| 17:57.40 | St0n3-C0l | stew: Is it only me or is it a bug? If not a bug then how come after a complete system upgrade it's suddenly slow? I had few problems before with the configuration of xorg and drivers so thats y it's clicked into my mind. But i didn't touch xorg.conf |
| 17:58.04 | DawnLight | hello. kmail doesn't want to be embedded in kontact. it keeps opening it's own window. am i doing something wrong? |
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| 17:58.29 | wd | stew: ok reading release, did dpkg -l | pager, i see a few apps with the "rc", mostley all my x window stuff which i removed yesterday.. |
| 17:58.49 | wd | stew: rc? |
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| 18:00.03 | poseidon | Whats a good editor thats got syntax highlighting? |
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| 18:00.24 | rcbarnes | I log into my system from the console because I don't need X a lot of the time, but sometimes I do want to use it---when I do I can't figure out how (under zsh) to run startx and log out immediately therafter (while X is running). |
| 18:00.26 | cast | vim. |
| 18:00.30 | rcbarnes | poseidon: vim |
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| 18:00.44 | cast | rcbarnes: startx & logout |
| 18:01.06 | rcbarnes | cast: no dice. It give a warning about running processes and keeps me logged in. |
| 18:01.19 | cast | :( |
| 18:01.21 | rcbarnes | That was the first thing I tried. |
| 18:01.23 | cast | brb testing |
| 18:01.43 | liable | mc ? |
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| 18:02.29 | cast | would bash -c work? |
| 18:02.39 | St0n3-C0l | People |
| 18:03.32 | rcbarnes | cast: perhaps? I haven't used bash in a while. |
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| 18:08.22 | rcbarnes | cast: nope. the bash process is now the one causing the warning |
| 18:08.50 | joey92077 | hi |
| 18:09.57 | simonrvn | jelly: yes i am. we all are =). |
| 18:11.03 | simonrvn | sauvin: well, i used to be able to set it up fairly quickly, but now i find myself needing to read the help, instead of just doing it out of habit. |
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| 18:11.51 | sauvin | I've always found configuring a kernel to be a doable but involved task. |
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| 18:12.19 | simonrvn | also, this is a "new" machine, so i find myself enabling things to support the various chipsets, installed peripherals, etc. |
| 18:12.37 | simonrvn | it is, even if you're familiar with the machine in question |
| 18:13.00 | wd | using dpkg -l, what does the "rc" next to a package mean? i removed all x window stuff yesterday and all X window stuff have rc next to it? |
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| 18:13.34 | simonrvn | with 2.6, you'll see new feature sets, or modified ones, so you gotta rtfm a lot more than you used to with 2.4 or 2.2 |
| 18:13.46 | sauvin | I think last time I configured a kernel (for some version of Fedora) I devoted an afternoon just to configuring it. |
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| 18:14.17 | simonrvn | wd: means it's been removed (e.g., binaries) but conffiles are still present (say like /etc/apache2/apache2.conf) |
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| 18:15.00 | wd | simonrvn: ok. but i did dpkg -purge, that should have taken care of the config files right? |
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| 18:15.43 | simonrvn | *nods*. i prefer setting up my own kernel, eventually, since i'll disable things that aren't present on the box, or in storage (if i plan to test hardware), and enable stuff debian kernel dds don't |
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| 18:15.56 | Dexter_ZCU | I need to create livecd from debian debootstrap... Does anybody know some step-by-step guide for dumies? :) |
| 18:15.58 | simonrvn | wd: --purge or -P. yes |
| 18:16.23 | simonrvn | !debian-live |
| 18:16.23 | dpkg | hmm... debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
| 18:16.31 | simonrvn | Dexter_ZCU: ^^^ |
| 18:17.11 | Dexter_ZCU | thanks :) |
| 18:17.14 | simonrvn | erm s,dis,dis/en, |
| 18:17.15 | wd | simonrvn: http://rafb.net/p/3vG1eD57.html |
| 18:17.23 | wd | simonrvn: see... |
| 18:17.49 | simonrvn | ok, and? |
| 18:18.06 | simonrvn | why don't you use aptitude and search for those? |
| 18:18.11 | wd | simonrvn: if apps are removed they're still llisted? |
| 18:18.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:18.24 | wd | hmm. ok |
| 18:18.30 | infinity3 | i'm looking for a cheap nas box. anyone have a tip? |
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| 18:19.03 | simonrvn | shows infinity3 his spear tip |
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| 18:19.30 | stew | wd: r=you requested removal. c=the package was removed but not purged Configuration files remain |
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| 18:20.06 | rcbarnes | cast: it appears that startx & disown; exit was what I needed. |
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| 18:20.34 | wd | stew: thanks. just confused because i purged the x window system, xfree86 lastnight. |
| 18:20.55 | DeFirence | does anyone know of a web gui that can control multiple ppp connections for linux? |
| 18:21.24 | wd | stew: i guess i shouldn't upgrade to etch huh.. lol /dev/hda1 427M 262M 143M 65% / |
| 18:21.40 | wd | stew: no room. heh |
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| 18:21.58 | wd | stew: sarge will remain. :( |
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| 18:22.57 | Crocco | hello all, I am having a bit trouble with bind9 on my debian machine... it times out when i do nslookups ..... but it seems to be working just fine when I do a dig |
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| 18:23.38 | simonrvn | nslookup is deprecated anyway |
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| 18:25.07 | XBeliebig | hello, does something like an emulated RAM ( DDR or SDRAM ) exist |
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| 18:25.15 | XBeliebig | dont know how to say it, maybe virtual |
| 18:25.16 | zinx | emulated how? o_O |
| 18:25.19 | XBeliebig | RAM |
| 18:25.23 | zinx | like swap, you mean? |
| 18:25.39 | Crocco | simonrvn, that doesnt mean it my dns works -.- |
| 18:25.52 | zinx | XBeliebig: maybe you should describe what you want to do |
| 18:26.17 | simonrvn | um, dig replaces nslookup... |
| 18:26.23 | meff | Crocco: if you can dig remotely (dig @machine yadda) it's probably working :) |
| 18:26.31 | simonrvn | IOW, what you said makes no sense |
| 18:26.50 | XBeliebig | well, i am using an application, where i have to set -cache to 3185 and after a while the app freezes |
| 18:27.33 | XBeliebig | and i thought since i have low RAM that it could be because of this, and if i was to make a something Fake then i would work ? |
| 18:27.49 | XBeliebig | zinc^^ |
| 18:27.59 | zinx | XBeliebig: doubtful that it's because of low ram |
| 18:28.12 | zinx | XBeliebig: and the only things to fake ram are incredibly slow. that's why we have ram :) |
| 18:28.30 | XBeliebig | ah... ok, thanx |
| 18:28.32 | giwe | rsnapshot or rdiff-backup any recommendations? |
| 18:29.03 | poseidon | Does anyone know how I can sink my folders/contacts/emails on thunderbird/icedove? |
| 18:29.45 | Crocco | Hmmm ;; reply from unexpected source: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx#15641, expected xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx#53 |
| 18:30.04 | meff | o.o |
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| 18:30.17 | meff | what cmd did you run Crocco |
| 18:30.45 | Crocco | dig @xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx mydomain.com |
| 18:31.28 | meff | Crocco: does bind9 start successfully? try restarting it and peek in syslog |
| 18:31.47 | Crocco | yes it does |
| 18:32.05 | meff | are you using a firewall? |
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| 18:35.16 | Bushmills | XBeliebig: do you have enough swap? you can see by executing "free" |
| 18:35.26 | RainbowW | i need to mirror one partition to another, eg /dev/sdb7 to /dev/sda8, preferably through a command-line file copy and not dd. when i do this with rsync -avr, the contents of the source magically expand and fill the destination beyond capacity, tho they are the same size partitions and there's space left on the source. there are symlinks that need to be preserved. how do i do this? |
| 18:35.26 | Crocco | meff, yes shorewall and port 53 is open |
| 18:35.45 | meff | Crocco: udp also? |
| 18:35.49 | Crocco | yes |
| 18:35.52 | meff | hmm |
| 18:35.55 | XBeliebig | !paste |
| 18:35.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:36.34 | XBeliebig | Bushmills, http://rafb.net/p/5WCT0c36.html |
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| 18:37.08 | Crocco | I AM behind another router(an IAD for my doubleplay ) and my external IP is actually NAT'd by the IAD to my linux router so that should make no difference |
| 18:37.19 | Bushmills | XBeliebig: doesn't look like a problem because of not enough RAM |
| 18:37.28 | XBeliebig | Bushmills, maybe i should add more swap |
| 18:37.31 | Bushmills | though more swap wouldn't hurt |
| 18:38.00 | Bushmills | is not the cause, as none is used, and still RAM free |
| 18:38.04 | meff | Crocco: is your /etc/hosts file correct also? |
| 18:38.04 | XBeliebig | Bushmills, could it solve my issue |
| 18:38.10 | Bushmills | no |
| 18:38.13 | Crocco | meff, actually I think it does have something to do with my firewall or something.. because when I do dig @192.168.0.1 mydomain.com it works |
| 18:38.15 | poseidon | I'm setting up dualheads and it tells me to back up /etc/X11/XF86Config, is this the old /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? It shows this file as not existing. |
| 18:38.25 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:38.26 | poseidon | I don't see anything similar in the directory either |
| 18:38.27 | Bushmills | unless, you app eat up all RAM and swap |
| 18:38.28 | Crocco | meff, it's when I am doing the dig using the external IP |
| 18:38.29 | Bushmills | your |
| 18:38.30 | DexterF | wanted to backport sonata (mpd client), got this error: http://pastebin.ca/1013941 |
| 18:38.36 | DexterF | don't know what to make of this, if someone could have a look? |
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| 18:39.05 | Seven_Six_Two | I have a ms easyball that I'd like to get working for my nephew, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if there's a way to poll the serial port to see if it's working before I start messing with my xorg.conf |
| 18:39.15 | meff | Crocco: *nods* it does sound like a firewall issue then |
| 18:39.29 | Crocco | But port 53 IS open |
| 18:40.23 | Crocco | I dont know if it's something to do with me having my external IP NAT'd to me by another machine |
| 18:40.37 | Bushmills | Crocco: your bind is on 127.0.0.1? your /etc/resolv.conf contains the ip of one of your interfaces? |
| 18:40.38 | poseidon | Will xinerama work with the vesa driver? |
| 18:40.39 | Seven_Six_Two | is there a command like lspci for serial devices? |
| 18:40.56 | simonrvn | Seven_Six_Two: cat the device file and mouse the device's pointer |
| 18:41.20 | Seven_Six_Two | simonrvn, ok I get a bunch of garbled output from ttyS0 |
| 18:41.40 | simonrvn | then it workie |
| 18:41.45 | Crocco | as a search it has my domain; and then my internal IP then my ISP's IP |
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| 18:42.16 | micols | anybody know how to remove throttling of NFS with wondershaper? |
| 18:42.25 | Seven_Six_Two | simonrvn, then all I have to do is add the relevant device section to xorg.conf? |
| 18:42.59 | simonrvn | sure |
| 18:42.59 | Bushmills | not only bind knows that problem. but i forgot how to solve it :) i guess it'd be by putting 127.0.0.1 as dns ip into refolv.conf, rather than an eth interface ip address. |
| 18:44.25 | Seven_Six_Two | can I have more than one "CorePointer" InputDevice? |
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| 18:44.37 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:44.40 | Bushmills | or alternatively an RFC1918 address, rather than your external ip address |
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| 18:45.34 | simonrvn | that's what i do if there's a named running on the box. usually i do localhost, isp |
| 18:45.45 | simonrvn | 's nameserver, then a search statement |
| 18:46.06 | simonrvn | (you can have up to 3 nameserver statements) |
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| 18:48.07 | Bushmills | Crocco: alternatively, see whether this applies: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/incidents/2000-02/0032.html |
| 18:48.50 | micols | nobody played with wondershaper+nfs ? |
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| 18:49.11 | Crocco | Bushmills, it's when I am trying to dig @myexternalIP that it goes wrong |
| 18:49.31 | Seven_Six_Two | ok, I've created another input device with driver set to "mouse" and protocol set to "auto". should those be different for serial devices, or should that be the same for serial and ps2 devices (and just dependant on the device itself) |
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| 18:49.59 | Bushmills | Crocco: yes, because the resolver gets reply from 127.x.x.x or your internal address. |
| 18:50.16 | Bushmills | being the same machine ... |
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| 18:51.03 | Crocco | Bushmills, gah.. you lost me. :/ ok from the start.. euuh I got the message you saw(i guess?) |
| 18:51.11 | Crocco | What do you think is the reason? |
| 18:51.22 | Bushmills | Response from unexpected source, that one |
| 18:51.40 | Crocco | yes |
| 18:51.44 | Bushmills | because you dig the external ip address of your box. but, those packets don't get there. |
| 18:51.54 | RainbowW | i need to mirror one partition to another, eg /dev/sdb7 to /dev/sda8, preferably through a command-line file copy and not dd. when i do this with rsync -avr, the contents of the source magically expand and fill the destination beyond capacity, tho they are the same size partitions and there's space left on the source. there are symlinks that need to be preserved. how do i do this? |
| 18:51.57 | Bushmills | because the routing has no need to route them on that nic |
| 18:52.07 | Bushmills | it is the originating machine, after all |
| 18:52.21 | Bushmills | therefore, the dns won't reply on that ip address |
| 18:52.29 | Bushmills | and the resolver is confused |
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| 18:52.48 | DawnLight | hello. kmail doesn't want to be embedded in kontact. it keeps opening it's own window. am i doing something wrong? |
| 18:53.07 | catsup | RainbowW: you're out of space on sda8. is there a problem other than that? |
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| 18:53.34 | simonrvn | Seven_Six_Two: you may need to use a different device (the one you catted) and possibly set a protocol other than auto. just takes a bit of testing and/or web searching. you could try /dev/input/mice first (since the input layer is the "One To Use" nowadays). |
| 18:53.37 | RainbowW | catsup: yes, you didn't read the rest of the problem description. |
| 18:53.51 | catsup | RainbowW: if you want to know why the one might run out of space before the other, even though they have the same size--look at the filesystem params with tune2fs |
| 18:53.52 | Crocco | Bushmills, and what would be the sollution? tell Shorewall to forward everything requested on my external IP address to my internal? |
| 18:53.55 | catsup | RainbowW: yes i did |
| 18:53.59 | Bushmills | Crocco: just dog @localhost |
| 18:54.02 | Bushmills | dig |
| 18:54.40 | Bushmills | or dig @external_ip from another machine |
| 18:54.40 | catsup | also, are you sure there's nothing besides what you're copying on the drive? you might use rsync --delete |
| 18:54.45 | Seven_Six_Two | simonrvn, ok thanks. I found someone that used Intellimouse as protocol for ms serial mouse, so I'll try that one. I've done web searches, but as you can imagine, the easyball isn't really a popular device for linux users |
| 18:55.15 | RainbowW | freshly formatted destination. this is a data rescue, after all. |
| 18:56.08 | catsup | well as i said, check the fs options. not every filesystem that's the same size has the same capacity |
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| 18:56.45 | maxspacemax | I love Debian :) |
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| 18:57.22 | DocMAX | hello, is there a german channel? |
| 18:57.23 | catsup | RainbowW: you might want to consider mksquashfs instead of rsync. that's a good way to do a one-off snapshot backup. |
| 18:57.31 | catsup | maxspacemax: we love you :) |
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| 18:57.37 | maxspacemax | ehueheu |
| 18:57.39 | DawnLight | !love maxspacemax |
| 18:57.39 | dpkg | makes love to maxspacemax, caressing maxspacemax's hair, whispering sweet nothings in maxspacemax's ear... |
| 18:57.39 | malakar | Hey Folks, is there a way I can grant permission to a non-privileged user to be able to open port 80 |
| 18:57.40 | maxspacemax | woooowww |
| 18:58.12 | netdaemon | i came in at an odd time... |
| 18:58.19 | catsup | malakar: there are a couple ways, the easiest is probably to have another process open it for the user |
| 18:58.56 | maxspacemax | I use debian 1 |
| 18:59.03 | maxspacemax | ThAnKs |
| 18:59.05 | catsup | malakar: for example, inetd. |
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| 18:59.14 | malakar | catsup: hmmm, how do we do that any easy way? I am trying to run ejabberd server as user ejabberd |
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| 18:59.54 | catsup | malakar: just add it to /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 19:00.21 | Bushmills | malakar: the web admin part of ejabberd? |
| 19:00.35 | catsup | oh... |
| 19:00.35 | DawnLight | when updating aptitude, gzip returns errors. if bzip2 is installed, it returns errors also. i am suspecting a problem with processing. can anyone help me debug this? |
| 19:00.50 | malakar | Bushmills: I am running http-bind, so wanted to run it on port 80 |
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| 19:01.50 | catsup | malakar: oh, um, nm what i said |
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| 19:02.15 | foobar8 | hi! bash question: is there a way to redirect input file descriptors without |
| 19:02.15 | foobar8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.15 | foobar8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.18 | poetat | is there anyway i can aptitude install something but use configuration arguments when doing it? |
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| 19:03.07 | foobar8 | sorry |
| 19:03.16 | Bushmills | malakar: that's the user ejabberd runs as then which needs to open that port |
| 19:03.18 | DeFirence | does anyone know of a web gui that can control multiple ppp connections for linux? |
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| 19:03.31 | malakar | catsup: does apache also uses inted |
| 19:03.47 | catsup | malakar: no... |
| 19:03.56 | malakar | Bushmills: yeah I want user ejabberd to be able to open port 80 |
| 19:04.03 | catsup | you would also need to configure it to use inetd |
| 19:04.19 | malakar | catsup: the ejabberd server? |
| 19:04.21 | Bushmills | malakar: ejabberd seems to be started as root, and drops its root privs by becoming another user then, |
| 19:04.40 | Bushmills | therefore, ejabberd should be able to bind to port 80 already anyway |
| 19:04.44 | catsup | malakar: yeah. but look at what Bushmills said, ejabberd can already do it |
| 19:04.51 | Bushmills | (provided started as root, not as user) |
| 19:05.02 | extor | If I do a 'dd if=/dev/hda of=dumpfile.img count=10000000' then will it grab the first 5 gigs or so of data off my hard drive into an image, or is data evenly scattered across /dev/hda by the ext3 filesystem? |
| 19:05.10 | Bushmills | otherwise you might want to look into setting the suid bit |
| 19:05.25 | catsup | extor: neither |
| 19:05.28 | Bushmills | but make sure ejabberd is configured to drop root privs after start |
| 19:05.33 | catsup | extor: erm |
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| 19:06.06 | catsup | extor: i mean yeah, it will create an image--of the raw disk, not a filesystem you can mount |
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| 19:06.24 | Bushmills | malakar: there is no web server running on the same machine, right? |
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| 19:06.38 | catsup | extor: (you can mount the filesystem inside but it's a hassle) |
| 19:06.50 | Bushmills | (that http-bind is not to connect with a web browser) |
| 19:06.51 | Crocco_ | Bushmills,when I do a dig from outside it times out |
| 19:06.57 | unixslut | out of interest |
| 19:06.58 | malakar | Bushmills: the startup script i am using actually needs to run as ejabberd user, may be I can get a better script which will let ejabberd server run as root, i hope ejabberd drops priv |
| 19:07.12 | malakar | Bushmills: yes it was running apache which I stopped |
| 19:07.18 | Bushmills | malakar: what distribution are you running? |
| 19:07.20 | catsup | extor: the representation of dumpfile.img on the fs it's on may or may not be contiguous |
| 19:07.44 | Bushmills | malakar: because with debian, ejabberd is started from init.d, as root |
| 19:08.07 | malakar | Bushmills: I am on ubuntu, but I compiled it myself |
| 19:08.16 | Bushmills | see, there is a difference |
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| 19:08.24 | Bushmills | debian seems to do that differently |
| 19:08.31 | catsup | malakar: use the debian package. on a debian system. |
| 19:08.35 | Bushmills | so better ask where they know your platform better |
| 19:09.03 | Bushmills | waste of time asking when things are different, you could have known that |
| 19:09.12 | Bushmills | try #redhead |
| 19:09.32 | catsup | that's a channel for finding prostitutes |
| 19:09.33 | Crocco_ | Bushmills, sorry for the disconnect.. I was saying I did the dig from a location not on my network and it timed out |
| 19:10.25 | Bushmills | Crocco, then you'd have to check where requests are held back |
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| 19:11.04 | extor | catsup this is a remote box |
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| 19:12.47 | malakar | Bushmills: hmmm... will do that, but currently i don't have a debian box also wanted odbc support for ejabberd was not sure if the debian package comes with that support so compiled it myself |
| 19:14.00 | Bushmills | malakar, ejabberd.cfg:%{odbc_server, "DSN=ejabberd;UID=ejabberd;PWD=ejabberd"} |
| 19:14.00 | Bushmills | ejabberd.cfg.old:%{auth_method, odbc}. |
| 19:14.18 | Bushmills | comes preconfed with stock debian ejabberd |
| 19:14.25 | Bushmills | thus i assume it is supported |
| 19:14.39 | extor | Ok here is the story, my hard drive has a week old install of linux and it got hacked the first day, what I want to do is create an image of the first 5 or 10 gigs and then download the image across scp and then restore it and analyse it |
| 19:15.37 | catsup | extor: wtf? first 5 or 10 gigs? |
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| 19:16.16 | GregoryA | hello |
| 19:16.27 | GregoryA | I have a basic question about VLAN in general |
| 19:16.29 | extor | yeah |
| 19:16.33 | catsup | that makes no sense |
| 19:16.44 | extor | ok here...the hard drive is 160 gigs right? |
| 19:16.53 | GregoryA | if I uses vlan with IP addresses, do I need to enable RIP ? |
| 19:17.05 | zinx | extor: what do you think the first 5 or 10 gigs is going to get you? |
| 19:17.06 | extor | When they installed debian...it used the first say...4 gigs of partition space, right? |
| 19:17.26 | zinx | why don't you get that partition? |
| 19:17.32 | Bushmills | extor: why restore? use the compromized hard disk. don't execute stuff on there. |
| 19:17.55 | extor | Oh gawd....there is only /dev/hda1 and /devhdb5(swap) as far as I know |
| 19:17.56 | catsup | extor: the crackers might have hidden data anywhere on the disk. therefore you need the whole disk, although you can compress it. |
| 19:18.11 | malakar | Bushmills: I am planning to migrate to debian so will try that. By the way my initial query was just a linux newbie query so thought #debian could be a good place |
| 19:18.19 | catsup | extor: however, if you think the crackers did not hide data outside the filesystem, then you need only the data in the filesystem |
| 19:18.28 | zinx | extor: oh, i see what you're saying... no, files are not allocated so predictably. |
| 19:18.43 | zinx | extor: the files could be (and probably are) anywhere within the partition |
| 19:18.58 | Bushmills | malakar: doesn't make sense. #debian -> debian. #ubuntu -> ubuntu |
| 19:19.14 | Bushmills | you didn't thing that #microsoft was a good place, did you? |
| 19:19.22 | Bushmills | think |
| 19:19.36 | extor | ok so if I got a partion from sector 4 to sector 10,000,000 and it is 10% full....then you are saying I could have data located WELL BEYOND SECTOR 500,000? |
| 19:19.40 | xingu | GregoryA: addressed vlans are not predicated on rip, no |
| 19:19.41 | catsup | extor: as zinx says, the data in the filesystem is not just the beginning of the disk. you need a special tool to extract it |
| 19:19.57 | extor | catsup bear in mind I only have ssh access to the data |
| 19:20.14 | catsup | extor: if you want to copy a partition, you use /dev/hda1 (for the first primary partition on hda) etc |
| 19:20.27 | malakar | Bushmills: no i didn't, debian and ubuntu both are linux, so wanted to approach a community where I am more comfortable |
| 19:20.31 | DeFirence | hmm |
| 19:20.32 | DeFirence | does anyone know of a web gui that can control multiple ppp connections for linux? |
| 19:20.34 | catsup | extor: but if you're going to do that (not copy the whole disk) you mightr as well only copy the filesystem data itself |
| 19:20.59 | catsup | extor: (copying the partition means also copying all the empty space inside the filesystem) |
| 19:21.24 | Bushmills | malakar: if i'd go to #suse, and ask them debian question without telling them that i run debian, the answers would often not work on my system. |
| 19:21.36 | extor | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 19:21.37 | extor | /dev/hda1 151225248 2088020 141455352 2% / |
| 19:21.38 | catsup | Bushmills: or suse, for that matter ;) |
| 19:21.47 | extor | Exactly how much data is that? 20 gigs? |
| 19:21.57 | catsup | extor: type df -h |
| 19:22.21 | extor | wait..that is only 2 gigs of data |
| 19:22.26 | catsup | yes |
| 19:23.30 | Bushmills | catsup: that's about 25 bits per human on the world |
| 19:23.45 | Bushmills | though, not "exactly" as you asked. |
| 19:24.01 | catsup | Bushmills: not even an int... |
| 19:24.02 | extor | Can I mount a remote box...as an nfs point or something |
| 19:24.04 | extor | arghh |
| 19:24.31 | catsup | Bushmills: although the way it actually works, the vast majority have 1 bit, while a few have arrays of long longs.... |
| 19:24.47 | Bushmills | catsup: 25 not an int? |
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| 19:25.11 | catsup | it's an int on a 286 |
| 19:25.26 | Bushmills | it is an int. no matter on that cpu |
| 19:25.27 | catsup | (i think...) |
| 19:25.57 | malakar | Bushmills: at least once I get a hint I could proceed after that doing some research on internet, as catsup suggested inted is the way to go, i can find some documentation on inted on my own after that |
| 19:26.05 | toad__ | i'm trying to switch the boot drive from hdb (which will eventually be removed) to hdd. i did grub-install /dev/sdd, and it succeeded (after some earlier errors were fixed, were related to lvm). now when i boot from that drive, it says "GRUB Hard Disk Error". any clue? |
| 19:26.16 | toad__ | is googling, so far no luck |
| 19:26.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I set up a crosscompile environment for kernel compiling? |
| 19:26.56 | HardDisk_WP | i want to compile kernel for target armv5tel on x86 |
| 19:26.58 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: just install those packages that that guy sent you the link to before |
| 19:27.01 | toad__ | the root partition is still on /dev/sdb2 |
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| 19:27.18 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, can you please give me the link again? |
| 19:27.51 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: http://debian.speedblue.org/ |
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| 19:29.02 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, thx |
| 19:29.09 | Bushmills | catsup: not being a multiple of 8, or 2 ^ 8n, has nothing to do with a number being an integer or not. |
| 19:29.38 | sdubois92 | I added the line "eval `cat $HOME/.fehbg` &" to the .xinitrc file i created, and it doesnt set a wallpaper when X starts. the .fehbg file shows the JPG it should set. |
| 19:29.47 | toad__ | aha, exple.tive.org/blarg/?p=118 |
| 19:29.52 | toad__ | maybe that's it... |
| 19:30.01 | toad__ | although the bios does recognise the disk as being 1TB |
| 19:30.12 | toad__ | will try it anyway |
| 19:30.12 | catsup | Bushmills: 'int' does not mean integer, it's a C keyword |
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| 19:30.57 | Bushmills | yeah, and it probably stands for "international" instead of "integer" |
| 19:30.59 | catsup | Bushmills: on a 32 bit platform, with a sane C compiler, an int is 32 bits |
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| 19:31.30 | catsup | Bushmills: erm, in the context where one says, "23 bits, not even an int..." it should be pretty clear what 'int' means... |
| 19:31.45 | catsup | Bushmills: especially with the comment about the array of long longs |
| 19:32.07 | ktwilight[m] | some of the app that I try to start throws a "bus error", for one app (icedove), i could just reinstall it and it worked. but for others it doesn't resolve it. what can i do? :/ this started after a crash and i did sysrq+s u b |
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| 19:32.10 | docmax_ | how can i save the terminal window size in gnome? |
| 19:32.14 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 19:33.02 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: maybe you have disk corruption |
| 19:33.21 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: check your dmesg for disk errors and install smartmond |
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| 19:34.25 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: back up your system if you haven't. another more horrible possibility (which would explain the disk corruption if your disk is not failing) is memory defects. anyway, a repeatable bus error that's fixed on reinstall definitely suggests disk corruption, and lots of bus errors is very scary... |
| 19:34.36 | ktwilight[m] | cateye, nothing in dmesg, and disks are fine. i also did a shutdown -F to force fsck, but nothing bad turn out either |
| 19:35.00 | ktwilight[m] | catsup, well, not alot, only a handful of apps. |
| 19:35.10 | ktwilight[m] | and those apps were opened during the crash. |
| 19:35.26 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: did you run memtest ? several types of failing hardware that would cause disk corruption |
| 19:35.32 | ktwilight[m] | some apps that were still opened weren't affected though. |
| 19:35.35 | catsup | of course, because those are the apps you use ;) |
| 19:35.45 | catsup | so those are the ones that crash |
| 19:35.56 | ktwilight[m] | then i would expect to be all of 'em that are opened would have a "bus error" ;) |
| 19:35.58 | catsup | the ones you never use never crash... |
| 19:36.00 | ktwilight[m] | which isn't the case. |
| 19:36.18 | catsup | a bus error usually means garbage in the binary |
| 19:36.21 | catsup | really bad! |
| 19:36.23 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: apps compiled for a different cpu architecture do that sometimes |
| 19:36.32 | catsup | yeah, that too |
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| 19:36.40 | ktwilight[m] | apps weren't custom compiled. |
| 19:36.58 | ktwilight[m] | if that holds true, a reinstall should help, which didn't. |
| 19:37.02 | Bushmills | and netscape was pretty famous for throwiing that error. i forgot why it did |
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| 19:37.22 | catsup | Bushmills: compiler bug |
| 19:37.31 | catsup | i mean-- |
| 19:37.35 | Bushmills | i suppose it was netscape's way to segfault |
| 19:37.40 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, successfully installed |
| 19:37.51 | HardDisk_WP | how now configure kernel build/make-kpkg? |
| 19:37.55 | catsup | no, segfault is when the process tries to access memory not in its segment |
| 19:38.02 | catsup | a bus error is when it sends an invalid instruction to the cpu |
| 19:38.17 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: what cpu is that? |
| 19:38.22 | ktwilight[m] | catsup, what's "it"? the app? |
| 19:38.44 | ktwilight[m] | Bushmills, amd64 |
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| 19:38.50 | catsup | the former can be caused by an ordinary bug in your code, the latter generally not |
| 19:38.55 | Bushmills | or when unaligned address access is attempted. but x86 doesn't require aligned access |
| 19:39.03 | Bushmills | even though it can benefit from it |
| 19:39.06 | ktwilight[m] | what i don't get is, why only a handful of apps don't work, while all others do. and reinstall doesn't help. |
| 19:39.06 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: yeah |
| 19:39.17 | ktwilight[m] | a complete reinstall would be kinda futile... |
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| 19:39.31 | szachista | hi |
| 19:39.48 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: the problem is probably in your hardware |
| 19:39.51 | szachista | is it possible to convert autopackage to deb package? |
| 19:39.57 | ktwilight[m] | or maybe i'm doing the reinstall wrongly? apt-get remove --purge app && apt-get install app? |
| 19:40.03 | Azar | ktwilight[m]: what if you uninstall those that don't work, see how it goes, then try install them back one by one with tests? |
| 19:40.07 | ktwilight[m] | catsup, then explain why other apps work? |
| 19:40.12 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: you need to back up your data and test all your hardware |
| 19:40.17 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: shit luck |
| 19:40.19 | ktwilight[m] | Azar, which is exactly what i did, and still the same results |
| 19:40.25 | Azar | ktwilight[m]: try also replacing apt-get with aptitude command |
| 19:40.36 | Azar | aptitude will clean up |
| 19:40.42 | ktwilight[m] | catsup, must be a huge piece of sh!t if it's always the same even after reboot |
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| 19:40.51 | ktwilight[m] | Azar, hm. |
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| 19:40.53 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: no--you don't understand-- |
| 19:40.58 | Azar | uninstall with apt-get , install with aptitude |
| 19:41.06 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: if your binaries on disk have become corrupted randomly, a bus error makes sense |
| 19:41.20 | vjoe | hey |
| 19:41.56 | ktwilight[m] | yes, then reinstall would make sense to fix it? |
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| 19:42.04 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: if a reinstall fixes it, then that corroborates the disk corruption theory. but you have no disk errors, so the on-disk corruption could have come from where? bug in fs or kernel (unlikely), or memory errors |
| 19:42.09 | Azar | aptitude will tell you that it will uninstall craps anyways |
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| 19:42.42 | I_Died_Once | i recently switched out monitors for my system and I cannot get xorg set up correctly - what is a good tool that will probe what i have and set it automatically ??? |
| 19:43.01 | ktwilight[m] | catsup, again, a reinstall fixed for one app, but not the others. |
| 19:43.02 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: reinstall would make sense to fix it, in the same way that reinstalling your helicopter engine makes sense after you get shot in the air by a missile--no, you need to eject! |
| 19:43.24 | extor | If I have ssh access to my remote box, is there a way I can use dd to copy about 10 gigs worth of data from /dev/hda to the box I am sitting at right now? Or do I have to somehow manually pipe dd's output to netcat and then siphon it to my workstation? |
| 19:43.29 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: RAM turning bad could be a cause. |
| 19:43.40 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: yeah. well, again, shit luck. more memory corruption. whatever. reinstalling an app, not changing the software, but getting different results, indicates a hardware problem |
| 19:43.51 | epsilon | I_Died_Once: you need the correct screen size in xorg.conf, the frequence can be commented out (should be auto-detected) |
| 19:44.02 | ktwilight[m] | Bushmills, does ram allocation on the dimm dependent on app? |
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| 19:44.16 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: or critical timing. being shifted towards the bad side now that it gets warmer. |
| 19:44.30 | epsilon | I_Died_Once: if you want with guide, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:44.42 | ktwilight[m] | so let's say i have 2 apps open, fine. open a bus error app fails, but open up another 10 apps works fine, but then open bus error app fails again. that doesn't make sense. |
| 19:44.48 | ktwilight[m] | hmm... |
| 19:45.09 | m1ke_l | apt-get upgrade changed me from k7 kernel to 486 on my amd. but now i only see 1 core, and <1g. what is latest amd image in "testing" for me to apt-get? |
| 19:45.13 | ktwilight[m] | let's try memtest for the sake of it then :) |
| 19:45.15 | m1ke_l | there are several listed |
| 19:45.17 | Bushmills | random errors, or sporadic errors can very well be due to RAM |
| 19:45.19 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: if you are getting a totally random pattern of bus errors, your system is fucked |
| 19:45.27 | ktwilight[m] | it's not random at all |
| 19:45.27 | Bushmills | because you don't use all of the program all the time. |
| 19:45.30 | Bushmills | ah |
| 19:45.40 | ktwilight[m] | as i said, it only happens on specific apps! |
| 19:45.42 | catsup | ok |
| 19:45.55 | catsup | ok, i got it, you have specific repeatable bus errors-- |
| 19:46.04 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: compare the binaries on your disk to those from the package for those apps |
| 19:46.10 | ktwilight[m] | :/ |
| 19:46.17 | ktwilight[m] | but i reinstalled? |
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| 19:46.25 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: strace them, see whether there's some common thing they do |
| 19:46.27 | catsup | don't reinstall--check |
| 19:46.29 | ktwilight[m] | so it doesn't quite matter, unless the deb fails? |
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| 19:46.41 | ktwilight[m] | no, i did a apt-get remove --purge app && apt-get install app |
| 19:46.47 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: did it fix or not? |
| 19:46.52 | ktwilight[m] | of course not |
| 19:46.53 | catsup | you said you had several different apps |
| 19:46.57 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: ok. now, do the comparison |
| 19:46.58 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: may also want to ltrace, in case its a borked lib |
| 19:47.10 | ktwilight[m] | Bushmills, ah, ltrace, that i didn't try. |
| 19:47.37 | catsup | oh, yeah, you'd have to reinstall all the libraries too, to compensate for corruption of a library file |
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| 19:48.24 | catsup | ktwilight[m]: did you say you had smartmond installed? |
| 19:48.34 | Bushmills | ktwilight[m]: then tun from a alternative installation. a live cd, maybe. see whether it misbehaves too. |
| 19:48.53 | catsup | i didn't even think about libraries. it looks more like pure disk corruption... even if smart reports nothing |
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| 19:50.07 | ktwilight[m] | no smartmond installed |
| 19:50.25 | ktwilight[m] | i erally doubtit's hardware failure... |
| 19:50.33 | lobak | hello |
| 19:50.43 | ktwilight[m] | anywayz, i have mprotect and mmap right before the bus error |
| 19:50.44 | ktwilight[m] | i'll paste |
| 19:50.51 | catsup | don't |
| 19:51.11 | catsup | you don't get sigbus inside a system call |
| 19:51.28 | Bushmills | unless hardware is flaky |
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| 19:51.49 | lobak | how can i search a file with a certain word in that file?i mean using shell command |
| 19:52.00 | ktwilight | http://rafb.net/p/4py1cF29.html and http://rafb.net/p/KFcO0o45.html |
| 19:52.00 | Bushmills | lobak: man grep |
| 19:52.11 | ktwilight | that's what it is |
| 19:52.14 | catsup | ktwilight: it may not be a hardware failure. but why did your system crash? you should check every package-installed file against the originals. |
| 19:52.33 | catsup | hardware or software, your binaries must be corrupt |
| 19:53.22 | Bushmills | @ 0 ? |
| 19:53.23 | ravenbird | somebody said 0 was 1, or 0, or a number damnit!! |
| 19:53.30 | ktwilight | catsup, blame gnomebaker :( |
| 19:53.34 | catsup | ktwilight: how else is nonsense getting loaded into memory and executed? the binaries are not nonsenes when you download them from debian.org. somehow they became nonsense after they got onto your system. |
| 19:53.39 | catsup | gnomebaker ? |
| 19:53.47 | Bushmills | interesting. look like cpu IP somehow became 0 |
| 19:54.01 | ktwilight | ok, so here's something new. i get a bus error for gnomebaker as a normal user, but when i run it as root, it doesn't give me any errors. strange? |
| 19:54.21 | Bushmills | maybe result of a retm with stack corrupted. |
| 19:54.23 | lobak | Bushmills: can it be used to find a file that have for example word 'mysql' in /var ? |
| 19:54.33 | ktwilight | catsup, well, these aren't exactly freshly installed apps :/ |
| 19:54.36 | Bushmills | lobak: yes |
| 19:54.48 | catsup | ktwilight: you need to verify things and not keep asking questions |
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| 19:55.08 | catsup | ktwilight: you need to check your memory and your disk, check your installed binaries, THEN if you don't find a problem ask more questions |
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| 19:55.31 | mrfree | hi all |
| 19:55.46 | mrfree | where I can find an howto or some doc about mldonkey-server and makejail? |
| 19:56.00 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type arm-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu |
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| 19:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | what do i have to tell make-kpkg? |
| 19:56.29 | ktwilight | then why would gnomebaker run in root but not in user? :/ |
| 19:56.42 | ktwilight | if it's a memory or disk problem, both wouldn't run at all |
| 19:57.00 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: --arch arm-linux-gnu ? |
| 19:57.11 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: it's just a warning |
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| 19:57.29 | itchi_ | ktwilight: Does it runs with a normal (new) 'test' user? |
| 19:57.37 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: tell it to calm down |
| 19:57.41 | ktwilight | itchi_, good question! let me check |
| 19:58.00 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: tell it you're the boss, and it's the computer, so it better adopt a better attitude |
| 19:58.16 | HardDisk_WP | make[1]: arm-gcc: Command not found |
| 19:58.26 | HardDisk_WP | it is gcc-arm-4.1 |
| 19:58.37 | catsup | is the binary named arm-gcc ? |
| 19:58.38 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell make-kpkg the right compiler? |
| 19:58.39 | HardDisk_WP | no |
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| 19:58.42 | lobak | Bushmills: i've read the man, but i still have no idea how i can use it to search a file in /var that contains a word 'mysql' in that file |
| 19:58.43 | catsup | CC= |
| 19:58.45 | HardDisk_WP | gcc-arm-4.1 instead |
| 19:58.47 | unixslut | that's a secret |
| 19:59.00 | Nihilist_Nerd | Would it be sane to do a minimal installation of debian on a 64 MB RAM 400Mhz Celeron processor craptop and install fluxbox? |
| 19:59.02 | ktwilight | itchi_, strangely, it works with the new user too! |
| 19:59.08 | Bushmills | lobak: what is not clear about it? |
| 19:59.17 | ktwilight | something must have been corrupted somewhere somehow |
| 19:59.20 | catsup | lobak: what do you want to do? |
| 19:59.27 | ktwilight | yet, it didn't affect everything |
| 19:59.27 | Bushmills | lobak: grep [OPTIONS] PATTERN [FILE...] |
| 19:59.27 | itchi_ | ktwilight: Gues that some important config file is corrupted ?? |
| 19:59.29 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, when runnin CC=gcc-arm-4.1 LANG=C make-kpkg --arch arm --cross-compile arm --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot linux_image |
| 19:59.34 | HardDisk_WP | it still appears |
| 19:59.37 | HardDisk_WP | it ignores CC= |
| 19:59.38 | catsup | Bushmills: if you want to search a whole directory, use grep -r |
| 19:59.41 | catsup | erm |
| 19:59.41 | ktwilight | itchi_, maybe, am going to delete my configs |
| 19:59.46 | catsup | lobak: if you want to search a whole directory, use grep -r |
| 19:59.49 | itchi_ | ktwilight: mv |
| 19:59.53 | Bushmills | is it "pattern" or is it "file" you don't understand? |
| 20:00.06 | ktwilight | itchi_, rm :) |
| 20:00.25 | itchi_ | ktwilight: Well, ok, i hope you have a backup :-p |
| 20:00.27 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: MAKEFLAGS='CC=...' make-kpkg |
| 20:00.34 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:00.34 | ktwilight | itchi_, it's not something important ;) |
| 20:00.37 | itchi_ | ktwilight: rsnapshot is nice btw |
| 20:01.04 | Bushmills | lobak: ignore catsup, you don't need -r for a whole directory. you need it only for all subdirectories. |
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| 20:01.07 | lobak | Bushmills: first, i dont know what is the file in the first place because im searching for it..second i dont know what pattern means in this context |
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| 20:01.24 | Bushmills | pattern is what you are searching |
| 20:01.25 | ktwilight | itchi_, like zfs? |
| 20:01.36 | Bushmills | like "search pattern" |
| 20:01.42 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, now it whines for arm-objdump, arm-ld etc. |
| 20:01.54 | ktwilight | is it something bad if i have a bunch of ldconfig: file /usr/lib/libname.so.xx is truncated?? |
| 20:01.58 | itchi_ | ktwilight: I don't know about that (yet) |
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| 20:03.47 | Bushmills | lobak: grep searches the named input FILEs (...) for lines containing a match to the given PATTERN. that's written as description - how much clearer could it possibly be? |
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| 20:04.28 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: maybe you should just make symlinks, apparently the debs are using a different naming scheme than than make-kpkg expects |
| 20:05.10 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, i dont even know the correct name... |
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| 20:05.28 | catsup | lobak: if you want to find a file that contains the word 'mysql', use the command 'grep mysql -r /some/directory' |
| 20:05.31 | HardDisk_WP | brb |
| 20:05.43 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: yes you do. arm-objdump, arm-ld, etc. are the expected names |
| 20:05.54 | Bushmills | ktwilight, yes |
| 20:06.09 | ktwilight | Bushmills, i think i know what the problem is :) |
| 20:06.11 | ktwilight | it's the libraries! |
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| 20:07.37 | lobak | Bushmills: ok, i understand now.. but still, i have no idea how i can manipulate it to achieve my goal |
| 20:07.38 | Bushmills | ktwilight, remains the question "why" |
| 20:07.40 | catsup | ktwilight: it's been clear for a while that there's a problem in the libraries, but where did it come from? |
| 20:07.44 | lobak | no catsup |
| 20:08.16 | ktwilight | catsup, well, i dunno exactly which libraries, but now i do :) |
| 20:08.27 | ktwilight | Bushmills, must be when i did sysrq+s u b |
| 20:08.37 | ktwilight | did it too fast before s and u finished executing? |
| 20:08.42 | Bushmills | lobak: what does grep "\[sid\|lenny\|etch\]" /etc/apt/sources.list show? |
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| 20:08.48 | Azar | hello mister itchi_ |
| 20:09.00 | itchi_ | Azar: Oi! |
| 20:09.23 | Bushmills | ktwilight, not too likely .. libs are not opened for r/w |
| 20:09.36 | g00se | At a loss here: meant to have wireless PCMCIA card driver installed ( http://pastebin.com/d9b12182 ) but it's not getting detected |
| 20:09.36 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 20:09.47 | Bushmills | open("/usr/lib/libtheora.so.0", O_RDONLY) |
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| 20:09.54 | itchi_ | Wait, i'm fighting with that stupid MS Outlook client that always die! :-( |
| 20:10.00 | ktwilight | Bushmills, then 'cuz those apps use those libraries are open and running? |
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| 20:10.11 | Azar | heh, just reading, firefox add-ons prone to infestation, a guy who submitted the vietnamese add-on package had his own system infested, and then passed it on with the add-on submission |
| 20:10.13 | ktwilight | hm, then i dunno. am not a developer unfortunately :( |
| 20:10.27 | ktwilight | still begs the question, why it worked for one user but not the other. |
| 20:10.28 | catsup | ktwilight: HARDWARE |
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| 20:10.47 | ktwilight | catsup, hardware is skipping things out? |
| 20:10.55 | Bushmills | Azar: yes, for vietnames localization |
| 20:10.57 | ktwilight | well, now that i've reinstalled all the libraries, it seems to work now |
| 20:10.59 | catsup | ktwilight: hardware somehow corrupted your libraries on disk |
| 20:11.07 | Azar | Bushmills: yeah, sad |
| 20:11.16 | ktwilight | catsup, which should i blame? ram or cpu? |
| 20:11.21 | itchi_ | Do you also get some troubles with MS outlook and a courrier imap server? That's pain, outlook keeps frequently crashing :-( |
| 20:11.21 | Bushmills | Azar: probably the reason why it wasn't discovered any quicker |
| 20:11.25 | ktwilight | yup, everything seems to work nice and dandy! |
| 20:11.30 | syamajala2 | i'm having problems with vnc |
| 20:11.35 | catsup | ktwilight: you know, i told you to test your memory and disk as soon as you described your problem |
| 20:11.35 | ktwilight | itchi_, and damn!! i didn't backup my config :P |
| 20:11.42 | catsup | ktwilight: do it! |
| 20:11.48 | itchi_ | ktwilight: Well, i have tell you heh :-p |
| 20:11.48 | syamajala2 | it used to run xfce4 when i logged into my system, but it doesn't do that anymore |
| 20:11.53 | ktwilight | haha |
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| 20:12.01 | ktwilight | well, it was just a config file for a media player, nothing important ;) |
| 20:12.05 | Bushmills | ktwilight, what is your IDE controller? |
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| 20:12.05 | Azar | Bushmills: who'd have thought that from all add-on just a language package... sleek |
| 20:12.09 | ktwilight | other important stuff are backed up |
| 20:12.37 | ktwilight | Bushmills, ATI |
| 20:12.47 | catsup | lobak: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:13.12 | Azar | ktwilight: castsup is right... I got one of my PCs systems dying only because the damn trivial fan was clogged |
| 20:13.31 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 20:13.40 | ktwilight | i'll test my ram tonight ;) |
| 20:14.08 | catsup | ktwilight: you also need to check every other binary on your system for corruption |
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| 20:14.28 | catsup | i mean, after you verify the disk and memory is ok |
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| 20:14.58 | ktwilight | catsup, how do i check every binary? |
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| 20:15.05 | ktwilight | catsup, you mean compare with what .deb have? |
| 20:15.08 | catsup | ktwilight: package 'debsums' |
| 20:15.11 | ktwilight | ah |
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| 20:15.38 | syamajala2 | gnome seems to seg. fault when i log in with vnc |
| 20:15.49 | syamajala2 | i think it is being caused by cairo |
| 20:15.59 | syamajala2 | i am running stable |
| 20:16.12 | wd | to start an xterm when an xsession starts i put "exec xterm" in my .xinitrc file above exec fvwm right? because i did and typing xinit started fvwm but no xterm popped up. |
| 20:16.12 | ktwilight | k, thanks for all the help :) now i can rest in peace... |
| 20:16.31 | catsup | wd: no... |
| 20:16.35 | wd | catsup: oh |
| 20:16.39 | wd | catsup: crap |
| 20:16.55 | catsup | wd: 'exec' replaces the xsession script itself with whatever program you exec |
| 20:17.04 | catsup | wd: so it should have come up with JUST an xterm, and NOT fvwm |
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| 20:17.12 | wd | catsup: by the way i'm using my ppc oldworld mac/nubus chatting with you now.. debian baby... :) |
| 20:17.25 | catsup | wd: maybe your xsession is not being read at all |
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| 20:17.35 | lobak | Bushmills: it shows word lines that contains etch lenny or sid...okay i understand the basic function of using grep.. however maybe i didnt put my problem in a proper wording...example like this...in /var/log, im trying to find a log that have a word 'mysql' in that log, doesn't matter if it is in /var/log/messages or other log.. |
| 20:17.52 | catsup | wd: anyway, you want to put 'xterm &' in front of whatever you exec |
| 20:18.04 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, yeah, but what do the expected names use me when I don't know the names in the packages? |
| 20:18.12 | Bushmills | lobak: do you know the difference between ls foo and ls * ? |
| 20:18.24 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: so find out the names in the packages |
| 20:18.29 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: dpkg -L |
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| 20:18.37 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:19.02 | wd | catsup: so in my .xinitrc file put 'xterm &' (first line) second and last line keep 'exec fvwm'? |
| 20:19.02 | lobak | Bushmills: yes |
| 20:19.25 | Bushmills | lobak: try to make that difference work for you with grep too |
| 20:19.41 | catsup | wd: yeah. and link .xinitrc to .xsession |
| 20:19.57 | catsup | wd: and make sure your xdm is set up to use the .xsession |
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| 20:20.00 | OXIj | i debootstrapped another architecture directory. how now install there additional packages without booting it? |
| 20:20.08 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, correct names are arm-linux-XXXXX |
| 20:20.14 | wd | catsup: no xdm... |
| 20:20.17 | catsup | oh |
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| 20:20.46 | wd | catsup: boot up to console then i type xinit... to cut out the startx memory footprint. |
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| 20:21.51 | catsup | wd: but startx sets up your xauth... |
| 20:21.54 | SerajewelKS | i have two SATA drives and one IDE drive in my box. one of the SATA drives and the IDE drive exhibit many, many seek errors in smartctl output and this number is rising constantly. I've tried moving the SATA drive to another port but it's always that specific drive that is affected. |
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| 20:22.02 | SerajewelKS | I don't think this is a hardware issue. |
| 20:22.07 | Azar | wd why not using a fluxbox or openbox manager? |
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| 20:22.16 | SerajewelKS | a drive failure issue anyway, it seems to be some timing issue maybe? or a kernel driver issue? |
| 20:22.17 | Bushmills | SerajewelKS: old drive? |
| 20:22.30 | SerajewelKS | Bushmills: the SATA drive can't be more than two or so |
| 20:22.46 | Bushmills | SerajewelKS: the failing ide drive, i mean |
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| 20:23.09 | SerajewelKS | i recall some mailing list message regarding bad interaction between SATA and IDE DMA |
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| 20:23.26 | SerajewelKS | though i'm not sure how that would translate to seek errors |
| 20:23.41 | wd | Azar: this is a mac powerbook / nubus old world.. 32meg ram/166mhz/2g hd.. space and resources limited when i boot up in X using fvwm i have only 1meg ram left... |
| 20:23.47 | Bushmills | if the error shows without the sata drive(s), the the bearings may be worn out. |
| 20:23.53 | Bushmills | then |
| 20:24.02 | SerajewelKS | fwiw i do not hear any noise |
| 20:24.02 | wd | Azar: based on benchmarks from my friends fluxbox is larger. |
| 20:24.08 | sdubois92 | i made a .xinitrc, made it executeable, added the line "/.fehbg &" above ". /etc/X11/Xsession", made sure .fehbg had the right command in it and made sure it was executeable, but when i startx, it doesnt change my wallpaper |
| 20:24.28 | Azar | wd, I use openbox and I think that xterm is set up in screen, if I remember correctly |
| 20:24.35 | Bushmills | if it's fine w/o sata, i'd expect a conflict |
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| 20:24.56 | Azar | wd I would guess only that openbox is lighter |
| 20:24.57 | SerajewelKS | Bushmills: my / is on the SATA drive -- should i disconnect the IDE drive then? |
| 20:25.00 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: Is there some DVD or CD in the reader? |
| 20:25.05 | HardDisk_WP | catsup, Inconsistent kallsyms data |
| 20:25.05 | HardDisk_WP | Try setting CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS |
| 20:25.10 | HardDisk_WP | what is this?! |
| 20:25.16 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: not anymore |
| 20:25.25 | Bushmills | SerajewelKS: yes, try that. or/and disable the ide controller(s) in the bios |
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| 20:25.29 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: And still get the problems? |
| 20:25.39 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: my CD drive is a third SATA device |
| 20:25.47 | catsup | HardDisk_WP: just do what it says. now the computer has become the boss. |
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| 20:25.53 | SerajewelKS | sda is /, sdb is data, sdc is DVD burner |
| 20:25.57 | SerajewelKS | hda is windows :C |
| 20:26.03 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: Some bad CD/DVD can give some weird troubles |
| 20:26.05 | SerajewelKS | C:* |
| 20:26.14 | wd | Azar: saw openbox screenshots online... i like it.. i use fluxbox on my main boxes.. but fluxbox ran sluggish on this laptop. oh yea.. i have one trackpad single mouse click. |
| 20:26.14 | SerajewelKS | sda and hda exhibit this issue |
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| 20:26.25 | SerajewelKS | the sda has this issue regardless of the SATA port i use |
| 20:26.53 | wd | Azar: i used fluxbox and had to assign f12 and mouse button 2.. didn't like that.. fvwm lets me keep single mouse button. |
| 20:27.02 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: And if you unplug one of these devices of the cable? |
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| 20:27.16 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: well, which device? |
| 20:27.26 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: Well, i dunno :-) |
| 20:27.35 | Azar | wd give openbox a try, been using it on older systems for the past 10 years |
| 20:27.38 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: Two are giving troubles? right |
| 20:27.39 | Bushmills | wd, checked out icewm? did quite well on my old notebook. |
| 20:27.52 | lobak | Bushmills: have to do the hard way... ls /var/log/ and grep mysql 'every file in /var/log' ...thank u for pointing it out about grep |
| 20:27.55 | itchi_ | Azar: I'm still runing fluxbox :-p |
| 20:28.07 | wd | Bushmills: i saw a how to on that.. pretty interesting. |
| 20:28.07 | lobak | catsup: thanks |
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| 20:28.20 | wd | Azar: openbox might be the litest tho huh? |
| 20:28.27 | Azar | itchi_: back in the days, I did the compairson tests, I was taken by openbox vs fluxbox |
| 20:28.29 | Kevin` | how can I use the debian installer with a custom kernel and modules? |
| 20:28.38 | wd | Bushmills: how old of a laptop |
| 20:28.52 | Azar | wd, yes indeed, runs on very old / limited systems well |
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| 20:29.03 | Bushmills | lobak, if you want to see files i a dir, do you type, for each file, "ls file1; ls file2; ls file3 ..." ? |
| 20:29.06 | catsup | Bushmills: you sure made lobak do a lot of extra work by telling him to ignore what i said |
| 20:29.23 | catsup | although i suppose it's his fault for listening to you |
| 20:29.28 | Bushmills | catsup: -r is recursive. |
| 20:29.33 | wd | Azar: what's liter openbox or fvwm? |
| 20:29.39 | Bushmills | catsup: not "all files in dir" |
| 20:29.43 | Azar | wd, I am still using an "old" (lighter) version of openbox, the newest version is sleek but it might be bigger.. see if you can get an older version |
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| 20:29.51 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: yes |
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| 20:30.04 | wd | Azar: older version? what # |
| 20:30.12 | catsup | Bushmills: well, one can mean different things by 'whole directory' but in any case -r was the option he wanted, however i phrased it |
| 20:30.27 | Azar | I am runing version 3 |
| 20:30.35 | itchi_ | fluxbox is running fine on my P1 with 32MB Ram, anyway, i installed back the openbox :-p |
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| 20:30.46 | wd | Azar: oh yea the 2nd mouse button i'll have to assign it to f12 or something. |
| 20:31.21 | wd | itchi_: oh great, i'm being outnumbered by openbox users... :) i love you guys. |
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| 20:31.28 | wd | itchi_: :) |
| 20:31.46 | catsup | wd: use ratpoison |
| 20:31.54 | wd | but the 2nd mouse button .. i have only one mouse button. |
| 20:31.59 | Bushmills | catsup: if he understand that he can use "*" for "all files", instead if giving file names 1 by 1, that's probably preferable to searching through all the subdirs - which he - i assume - does not want to. |
| 20:32.02 | catsup | use ratpoison, then you don't need the mouse at all |
| 20:32.38 | Bushmills | catsup: the problem is that i didn't give him a ready-to-consume answer, and his inability to add 1 and 1 |
| 20:32.39 | wd | catsup: i printout out a how to on that i was thinking about that but i was told fvwm was the lites. |
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| 20:32.59 | Kevin` | anyone? |
| 20:33.31 | poetat | anyone? |
| 20:33.40 | catsup | Bushmills: true, he doesn't know anything, but your telling him to ignore me was ridiculous, i told him the command he wanted |
| 20:33.42 | streuner | Kevin`: sounds you need kmuto :-) |
| 20:33.50 | Kevin` | kmuto? |
| 20:33.57 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 20:33.57 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 20:34.12 | catsup | wd: ratpoison is the lightest |
| 20:34.25 | Kevin` | I don't just need an up to date kernel, I need one with hardware-specific patches |
| 20:34.27 | catsup | wd: it doesn't have any decorations or anything |
| 20:34.37 | wd | catsup: hmmm let me grab my howto on that.... |
| 20:34.38 | g00se | At a loss here: meant to have wireless PCMCIA card driver installed ( http://pastebin.com/d9b12182 ) but it's not getting detected |
| 20:34.52 | catsup | wd: it works just like screen. you only need to press C-t ? for help. |
| 20:34.54 | streuner | Kevin`: what kind of patches should that be? |
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| 20:35.04 | Azar | wd I think I found it for you: http://nixbit.com/cat/desktop-environment/window-managers/openbox/ |
| 20:35.20 | Kevin` | streuner: the stuff for the olpc hardware, if it matters |
| 20:35.28 | wd | Azar: checking now..... |
| 20:36.00 | catsup | Kevin`: where are those patches? |
| 20:36.01 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: i disconnected my hda and reboot, sda still has this issue |
| 20:36.18 | Kevin` | catsup: git://dev.laptop.org/olpc-2.6 |
| 20:36.36 | Bushmills | wd, (age of laptop), from around ... 1995 |
| 20:37.12 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: just to satisfy my curiosity, how would i disable dma for sata drives? |
| 20:37.13 | Azar | wd, I would guess that older versions of Debian (me looks at others here) might have openbox3 in the repos |
| 20:37.25 | wd | Bushmills: wow like mine... Macintosh powerbook 1400/166 32meg ram |
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| 20:37.49 | wd | Azar: looking at link now.. on other pc. |
| 20:38.16 | Azar | wd: apt-cache search openbox |
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| 20:40.02 | Bushmills | wd, for saving screen real estate and mem if you don't really need mouse, ion2 is interesting. tabbed tiled windows. |
| 20:40.18 | Bushmills | executable is about 50 kbytes |
| 20:40.18 | Kevin` | catsup, streuner ? |
| 20:40.38 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: Now you ask me somethings |
| 20:40.57 | syamajala2 | hmm |
| 20:41.08 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: With sdparm i'm sure :-p |
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| 20:41.26 | streuner | Kevin`: search in changelog (default kernels), if you not find them there, feel free to compile your own kernel |
| 20:41.58 | Kevin` | streuner: I have my own kernel, I just want to use it with the debian installer |
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| 20:42.07 | sdubois92 | i made a .xinitrc, made it executeable, added the line "/.fehbg &" above ". /etc/X11/Xsession", made sure .fehbg had the right command in it and made sure it was executeable, but when i startx, it doesnt change my wallpaper |
| 20:42.42 | wd | Bushmills: sounds good i'll check also. |
| 20:42.46 | wd | Azar: yep it's here. |
| 20:43.11 | itchi_ | sdubois92: Is .fehbg been in the root of / ? |
| 20:43.24 | streuner | Kevin`: what stops you to install and use the (own) kernel then? |
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| 20:43.30 | sdubois92 | itchi_: its in /home/steven |
| 20:43.41 | itchi_ | sdubois92: The you missed a tilde ~ |
| 20:43.52 | wd | Azar: but i'll have to assign 2nd mouse button again and i kinda like not having to reach for f12 vs single mouse click in fvwm. |
| 20:44.24 | wd | Azar: i want to learn screen.. i heard some good things about it. multiple boxes inside one window.. awesome. |
| 20:44.25 | Kevin` | streuner: the normal install disks/images won't support the hardware. and I don't know how to use my own kernel with the installer, which is why i'm asking.. |
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| 20:44.55 | wd | brb switching to session |
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| 20:45.41 | ricosecada | I have installed Aide on Etch, but for some reason it keep looking for its database file in /tmp rather than /var any recommendations for an alternative to Aide? |
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| 20:46.12 | streuner | Kevin`: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
| 20:46.19 | wd | Bushmills: you used screen on the old laptop? |
| 20:46.45 | thechef | What's the standard charset for this channel? |
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| 20:47.46 | vitorbaptista | Hi, does someone knows if there's a way to aptitude download every package and dependence? I already looked for it in the man pages but haven't found anything... |
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| 20:48.11 | Bushmills | wd, not usually. i rather switched to VC |
| 20:48.11 | Kevin` | streuner: thanks, that looks good |
| 20:48.11 | ricosecada | vitor, what do you mean? |
| 20:48.14 | netdaemon | aptitude install *? |
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| 20:48.40 | vitorbaptista | ricosecada: I want to download some packages to install in another machine... |
| 20:48.47 | Kevin` | vitorbaptista: might as well just follow the instructions for making an apt mirror |
| 20:48.50 | vitorbaptista | But I want to download the package AND all it's dependences |
| 20:48.57 | Kevin` | oh I see what you mean. |
| 20:49.17 | Kevin` | vitorbaptista: --download-only |
| 20:49.22 | vitorbaptista | I can do aptitude download to download it, but not the dependences... |
| 20:49.25 | vitorbaptista | hum |
| 20:49.32 | Bushmills | wd, found me more likely to use screen on remote machines, especially with wobbly connections. |
| 20:49.35 | vitorbaptista | Isn't --download-only the same as aptitude download? |
| 20:49.48 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: sdparm can't modify dma settings |
| 20:50.07 | ricosecada | vitor, I am not complete sure, but I do believe you have to make a list, and download each package by itself. |
| 20:50.33 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: not according to the manpage anyway |
| 20:50.38 | vitorbaptista | ricosecada: That'll be kinda boring :/ |
| 20:50.52 | ricosecada | vitor, maybe you could script it :-) |
| 20:51.15 | Bushmills | vitorbaptista, *every* package? |
| 20:51.37 | vitorbaptista | Bushmills: and dependency... |
| 20:51.40 | gvl2 | crap -- guess I get to do nvidia by hand again. The nvidia_post_etch factoid is badly broken. nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx are not available in lenny |
| 20:51.48 | itchi_ | SerajewelKS: Do you get some errors when trying to set it? |
| 20:51.56 | Bushmills | i suppose mirroring a mirror would be to get every package |
| 20:51.57 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: there is no parameter to set it |
| 20:52.02 | wd | Bushmills: so for example i could log into my server open screen with top, proftp log, aterm, irssi on one screen right? from what i've read. |
| 20:52.11 | SerajewelKS | itchi_: it doesn't appear sdparm is capable of setting it at all |
| 20:52.27 | vitorbaptista | ricosecada: Do you know how do I get the list of dependencies of one .deb? |
| 20:52.39 | Bushmills | wd. yes. |
| 20:52.50 | streuner | rdepends |
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| 20:53.17 | streuner | !listvals rdepends |
| 20:53.18 | Bushmills | wd, more important maybe, you can reconnect to those running programs after a disconnect |
| 20:53.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rdepends' by value (1): rdepends. |
| 20:53.27 | streuner | !rdepends |
| 20:53.27 | dpkg | rdepends is, like, apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 20:53.46 | g00se_ | !listvals debfoster |
| 20:53.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debfoster' by value returned no results. |
| 20:54.04 | streuner | its prolly the factoid itself |
| 20:54.06 | wd | Bushmills: oh my. i gotta learn screen, i picked up man pages and howto and got intimidated. lol damn commands. |
| 20:54.16 | streuner | g00se: /msg dpkg debfoster |
| 20:54.23 | wd | Bushmills: but that would save me resource wise. |
| 20:54.24 | Bushmills | vitorbaptista: apt-cache depends name_of_package |
| 20:54.31 | vitorbaptista | Thanks |
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| 20:55.02 | wd | Bushmills: does you remote box have to have screen server? |
| 20:55.17 | Bushmills | wd, my remote boxes don't even have screens. |
| 20:55.24 | Bushmills | nor do they run X |
| 20:55.52 | SerajewelKS | i don't seem to be getting any errors on dmesg about this |
| 20:55.59 | Bushmills | screen savers are usually a waste of power. |
| 20:56.36 | Bushmills | if they don't simply put screen into standby/sleep |
| 20:56.50 | wd | Bushmills: so i could just ssh into remote box, run screen on my box and open irssi,term,and whatever.. |
| 20:56.59 | SerajewelKS | the seek_error_rate increases by about 15/sec |
| 20:56.59 | Bushmills | right |
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| 20:57.06 | SerajewelKS | on sda |
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| 20:57.31 | nixbox | hi all |
| 20:57.33 | SerajewelKS | even when the drive is idle and presumably isn't seeking anywhere |
| 20:57.38 | nixbox | i am trying to setup bridging on my box |
| 20:57.47 | nixbox | i have two ethernet interfaces |
| 20:57.54 | nixbox | one of them is connected to an ADSL modem |
| 20:58.02 | nixbox | i have created a bridge device |
| 20:58.09 | Bushmills | wd, though i'm connecting mostly though openvpn now - saves me the reconnect when connection is interrupted :) |
| 20:58.12 | nixbox | added both interfaces to the bridge |
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| 20:58.19 | wd | Bushmills: when u open up a new app does screeen place it randomly on screen or do u assign it a space like lower right corner? |
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| 20:58.40 | nixbox | did a dhclient on the interface connected to the modem |
| 20:58.47 | nixbox | got an IP address |
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| 20:58.51 | Bushmills | wd, no, just same window. think of it like a new tab, without the tab visible. |
| 20:59.08 | nixbox | can browse the internet, but i want my internal wireless router to be working on the second interface |
| 20:59.22 | HardDisk_WP | how do I create an initrd by hand?? |
| 20:59.26 | HardDisk_WP | http://packages.debian.net/etch/arm/linux-image-2.6.18-6-ixp4xx/filelist |
| 20:59.28 | nixbox | how can i get it to work? |
| 20:59.32 | HardDisk_WP | from this kernelimage i need the initrd |
| 20:59.33 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: did you enable ip_forward? |
| 20:59.38 | nixbox | it has an internal LAN IP |
| 20:59.46 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: yup |
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| 20:59.58 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: and are you running some dhcp server on the internal interface to hand out IPs? |
| 21:00.12 | wd | Bushmills: right say i want 4 or 6 apps open will screen resize to fit apps on screen automatically or do i have to assign it a "space" on screen? |
| 21:00.52 | Bushmills | wd, just try i. is easier to see than to explain. window size doesn't change. |
| 21:00.57 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: no i am not, i have one question, is there a way I can assign that Internet address to my router, so that the router does not even know there is a linux box in between? |
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| 21:01.15 | wd | Bushmills: vs me keeping a wm like fvwm, and opening terms and sizing terms to fit window. |
| 21:01.20 | wd | Bushmills: ok |
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| 21:01.31 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: don't use the router as a router, use it as a wireless switch |
| 21:01.31 | Bushmills | screen is not an X app |
| 21:01.40 | Bushmills | runs in console |
| 21:01.46 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: then your linux box will hand out addresses to wireless devices itself |
| 21:01.47 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: how? |
| 21:01.57 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: disable DHCP and don't use the WAN port |
| 21:02.04 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: what do i need to do for that to work? |
| 21:02.08 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: plug the linux box into one of the numbered ports |
| 21:02.12 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: i know i have to setup a dhcp server |
| 21:02.16 | wd | Bushmills: yes i know.. just verifying that i could open 4 or more apps on this one screen. |
| 21:02.23 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: then just make sure DHCP on the wireless router is off |
| 21:02.26 | Bushmills | yes, you can |
| 21:02.39 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: OK |
| 21:02.40 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: then run a DHCP server on the router-facing interface on the linux box (i recommend dnsmasq) |
| 21:02.43 | wd | Bushmills: ok. this will beat having a wm. |
| 21:03.12 | Azar | wd: http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html |
| 21:03.18 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: ok, that is all i need to do? |
| 21:03.20 | wd | Azar: ok |
| 21:04.02 | SerajewelKS | nixbox: in theory |
| 21:04.23 | Skratz0r | NTFS or FAT when installing windows? |
| 21:04.27 | Skratz0r | (In VirtualBox) |
| 21:04.30 | nixbox | SerajewelKS: thanks, I will just try that and let you know. |
| 21:04.42 | SerajewelKS | Skratz0r: whichever you want. ntfs for newer windows |
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| 21:05.19 | Skratz0r | Cool |
| 21:05.24 | Skratz0r | Chose NTFS anyway |
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| 21:05.34 | Skratz0r | I was just wondering which is better... (Then I googled it) |
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| 21:09.17 | rBo3Db | sorry to ask about _sid_, but after an upgrade my system fails to read xkblayout, xkboptions from xorg.conf... any advice? |
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| 21:11.04 | wd | thank you all brb gotta experiment.. lol |
| 21:11.37 | wimpies | hi all, Xawtv shows no image and no sound but KDETV does. AFAIK the -debug2 option on xawtv does not show any error (perhaps the XVideo : video off message). Suggestions ? |
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| 21:18.53 | SPF | I just installed a new hdd, but now sda is sdc and it won't boot |
| 21:19.11 | SPF | can I config the right hdd order? |
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| 21:19.42 | aarcane | dude, which package is scrub in ? |
| 21:20.18 | SPF | aarcane: Package libhtml-scrubber-perl |
| 21:21.10 | aarcane | SPF, that includes the scrub utility to wipe free disk space and securely delete files ? |
| 21:21.33 | SPF | I dunno, it's the only package search result I get |
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| 21:21.46 | SPF | --> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 21:24.05 | aarcane | yeah, apt-cache search shows the same package. it's obviously not the one I'm looking for |
| 21:24.22 | aarcane | scrub is a superior secure deletion tool that used to be available in debian |
| 21:24.24 | Kevin` | SPF: usually you can confiure the order in your bios |
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| 21:24.47 | troubled | maligor: do it! |
| 21:25.00 | Kevin` | SPF: if the problem is after linux loads, use a persistant name for the device, based on filesystem label or id or whatever |
| 21:25.09 | maligor | heh, it's not exactly on topic as such |
| 21:25.19 | troubled | sure it is! its a debian logo based cg render! |
| 21:25.44 | troubled | well, if you dont paste the url, i will :p |
| 21:25.44 | SPF | Kevin`: like making specific inodes? |
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| 21:26.09 | SPF | aarcane: if it aint in the package portage, you could manually compile it |
| 21:26.23 | Kevin` | SPF: like root=LABEL=MYROOT |
| 21:26.38 | aarcane | SPF, I've been looking for it, but I can't be sure I've found the right package. |
| 21:26.49 | maligor | troubled, I guess I can hardly stop you |
| 21:26.52 | nick01 | anybody else has problems with mplayer in gnome ? like not showing up to be able to open files with it |
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| 21:27.02 | Juventino | hello |
| 21:27.14 | troubled | maligor: you can always just ask me not to :) |
| 21:27.41 | SPF | Kevin`: it's still strange though, I added a sata pci card, and dev 0 on that card becomes /dev/sda |
| 21:27.58 | Juventino | guys, if i got a device removed from /dev/ , and i want the kernel to add it again, is that possible? |
| 21:28.14 | SPF | aarcane: one way to find out ;) |
| 21:28.38 | aarcane | yeah, I guess |
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| 21:28.55 | Kevin` | SPF: here's what my fstab looks like, since this system has too many hard drives to base on name: |
| 21:28.58 | Kevin` | /dev/disk/by-label/VMHOSTROOT / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 21:29.00 | troubled | hey guys, maligor would like to share this with you all :) http://www.imagebin.eu/pics/fde48d096ad55b24703a8c8ae2c2b64e.jpg |
| 21:29.01 | Kevin` | /dev/disk/by-label/VMHOSTSWAP none swap sw 0 0 |
| 21:29.24 | troubled | be sure to give him some feedback for his efforts :) |
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| 21:29.51 | Juventino | guys? |
| 21:29.52 | Juventino | anyone? |
| 21:29.53 | Juventino | lol |
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| 21:30.07 | Juventino | If i got a device removed from /dev/ , and i want the kernel to add it again, is that possible? |
| 21:31.53 | SPF | Juventino: yes |
| 21:32.02 | Juventino | may i ask how? |
| 21:32.19 | SPF | hmm, I did it once before |
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| 21:32.38 | Kevin` | udevsomething :/ |
| 21:33.04 | SPF | Juventino: what /dev/ file are you missing? |
| 21:33.11 | Juventino | /dev/dvb |
| 21:33.31 | aarcane | Juventino, mkdev |
| 21:33.48 | Juventino | trying |
| 21:34.17 | SPF | does mkdev remake all the /dev files or something? |
| 21:34.30 | aarcane | SPF, no, it makes a device node as specified using it's arguments |
| 21:34.31 | Juventino | mkdev |
| 21:34.31 | Juventino | bash: mkdev: command not found |
| 21:34.38 | aarcane | Juventino, try as root |
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| 21:34.45 | aarcane | it might be mknod |
| 21:34.47 | SPF | ah |
| 21:34.47 | Juventino | i am root |
| 21:35.20 | aarcane | yeah, mknod, my bad. |
| 21:35.38 | Juventino | so mknod dvb? |
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| 21:38.18 | aarcane | man mknod |
| 21:38.27 | aarcane | time to go |
| 21:38.30 | Juventino | ok |
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| 21:45.03 | esDebian | Hi, i was wondering if there's any program for download all the images (Only images) on a web? |
| 21:45.49 | SPF | esDebian: wget |
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| 21:48.15 | Kaell | any pointers for where to start to configure my mouse? |
| 21:48.29 | esDebian | SPF: I half figured it already ^^ but i don't know what option i have to give him...!? |
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| 21:49.08 | Mantaar | esDebian: Do you want to retrieve all images from an apache directory index? |
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| 21:50.56 | esDebian | Mantaar: Nah, it was just for download all images from a manga page... |
| 21:52.26 | esDebian | The page is http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/ and from there on, it's divided by episodes... An example: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/01/01/ refers to episode number 1 and page number 1 |
| 21:52.50 | Guerin | ffs |
| 21:53.04 | Guerin | it's not worth the effort |
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| 21:53.49 | Mantaar | esDebian: maybe this will still help you http://pastebin.org/35124 |
| 21:54.44 | Mantaar | it will only retrieve .jpg, .png, .gif and .svg |
| 21:55.00 | Mantaar | modify the regexp if you want to download something else. |
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| 21:56.09 | esDebian | Yep, only with .png is enought, i'll give it a try ^^ |
| 21:57.06 | Mantaar | esDebian: Oh. I just saw that it won't do it, because the site does not link to the images directly. But the command hould get you going on how to achieve a full solution. |
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| 21:58.00 | gvl2 | if anyone cares ... |
| 21:58.09 | gvl2 | !nvidia_lenny_oneliner |
| 21:58.10 | dpkg | [nvidia_lenny_oneliner] cd /usr/src && update-pciids && aptitude install wget && wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-kernel-source_169.12-1_i386.deb && wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx_169.12-1_i386.deb && aptitude update && aptitude install module-assistant debhelper dpatch nvidia-kernel-common && m-a prepare && dpkg -i /usr/src/ |
| 21:58.28 | Mantaar | !tell gvl2 msg the bots |
| 21:58.32 | Mantaar | ... argh. |
| 21:59.09 | gvl2 | looks like I screwed it up anyway. need to retype |
| 21:59.13 | NsOmniAc | I could use some help with something .. I currently have an image I created from scratch Debian Etch that has quite a few other things setup that I would like to use on a small farm is there something I could use that would create an install disk from that image ? |
| 21:59.26 | wd | Bushmills: i played with screen.. i opened two swithced between them C-a C-a ok but i was able to get two windows in one screen / two apps in one screen? |
| 21:59.39 | NsOmniAc | I don't think I'm wording it right when doing a search |
| 21:59.42 | esDebian | Maantar: Well, the example is good, it have given an idea to me, i'll try it with my new idea ^^ |
| 21:59.51 | Juventino | hmmm |
| 21:59.55 | Mantaar | esDebian: Good luck ;-) |
| 21:59.56 | Juventino | what's with nvidia guys? |
| 22:00.00 | Juventino | who was asking? |
| 22:00.38 | gvl2 | how long can a factoid be? |
| 22:00.38 | Guerin | !info nvidia_lenny_oneliner |
| 22:00.45 | Guerin | !factinfo nvidia_lenny_oneliner |
| 22:00.45 | dpkg | nvidia_lenny_oneliner -- created by gvl2 <n=gvl2@adsl-99-135-253-142.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net> 51s ago; it has been requested once, last by gvl2, 40s ago. |
| 22:01.02 | Guerin | ok, i guess you're new here, so here's the thing |
| 22:01.05 | gvl2 | Juventino: someone was asking last night |
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| 22:01.33 | h0ax | You must have the GLib 2.0 development headers installed to build. |
| 22:01.33 | h0ax | If you have these installed already you may need to install pkg-config so |
| 22:01.33 | h0ax | I can find them. |
| 22:01.38 | h0ax | i get this with pidgin |
| 22:01.44 | Juventino | well, i guess it should be m-a a-i nvidia |
| 22:01.47 | h0ax | and i have installed the pkg-config |
| 22:01.50 | h0ax | and the glib |
| 22:02.09 | Guerin | there's already plenty of one-liners for nvidia, and besides, they need to be bulletproof, and that one will break as soon as anything in lenny changes, which is probably tomorrow |
| 22:02.33 | Guerin | notwithstanding the fact that it's too long |
| 22:02.47 | Guerin | dpkg, forget nvidia_lenny_oneliner |
| 22:02.47 | dpkg | Guerin: i didn't have anything called 'nvidia_lenny_oneliner' to forget |
| 22:02.55 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 22:02.56 | Bushmills | wd, you don't. you switch between them. |
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| 22:02.59 | gvl2 | Guerin: just new to working with the bot. Using a different handle right now because I'm on a new machine |
| 22:03.06 | wd | Bushmills: oh |
| 22:03.09 | gvl2 | Guerin: I killed it when you posted that last |
| 22:03.19 | Guerin | ok |
| 22:03.42 | Bushmills | there is a program, giving you text mode "windows" |
| 22:03.48 | Bushmills | but i forgot its name |
| 22:03.56 | DawnLight | Bushmills: screen |
| 22:04.01 | Bushmills | no |
| 22:04.04 | Bushmills | "windows" |
| 22:04.14 | Guerin | if you have a long and convoluted and not future-proof one-liner I suggest you put it on your blog and link to it or something |
| 22:04.14 | Bushmills | not must multiple sessions |
| 22:04.21 | gvl2 | Guerin: and those particular packages heve been in use for a couple of months now. The problem is that the nvidia kernel source is not IN lenny, just sid |
| 22:04.22 | wd | Bushmills: i found it in a article i was reading lastweek.. |
| 22:05.38 | Bushmills | i'd recognize its name when i see it |
| 22:05.41 | phorce1 | Guerin: I'll stick it on a web page with an "as of 'date'" clause and link it using my registered nick |
| 22:05.58 | Juventino | hmm |
| 22:06.08 | Juventino | i had a tough time trying to install nvidia's on lenny |
| 22:06.17 | Guerin | phorce1: you're gvl2? |
| 22:06.18 | Juventino | 2.6.23 i guess it was |
| 22:06.36 | phorce1 | Guerin: yeah -- walked to the other room to answer the phone. Sorry |
| 22:06.46 | Guerin | ah. |
| 22:06.58 | cammoblammo | Bushmills: Are you thinking of twin? |
| 22:07.03 | Bushmills | yes |
| 22:07.06 | Bushmills | that's the one |
| 22:07.38 | phorce1 | Juventino: As of today the convoluted one-liner I was posting works for lenny by grabing the nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from the sid repositories and using dpkg to install them |
| 22:08.24 | SPF | Kevin`: thx, labelling works like a charm :) |
| 22:08.33 | wd | Bushmills: twin sounds like it i'm googling now. |
| 22:08.42 | Juventino | phorce1, so if i updated the apt-get and tried again it'll work? |
| 22:08.46 | Bushmills | cammoblammo: actually, a quite mnemonic name, "t(ext) win(dows)" - i wonder how i could forget that ... |
| 22:08.53 | Juventino | cause last time it wanted to downgrade the kernel |
| 22:08.56 | phorce1 | has to figure out how to get that one-liner over to this machine to webify it. The other machine is not connected to the local network at all yet |
| 22:09.11 | stew | h0ax: why are you compiling pidgin instead of just installing it with apt-get / aptitude |
| 22:09.26 | phorce1 | Juventino: Give me a minute and I'll put that long bit on a web page for you to copy and run |
| 22:09.37 | Juventino | sure |
| 22:09.38 | Juventino | thnx man |
| 22:10.49 | cammoblammo | Bushmills: :-) |
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| 22:13.17 | chops | Is it possible to configure independent MTUs on two aliased interfaces on the same NIC? |
| 22:13.25 | esDebian | Hi again, i'm getting closer to the solution, but in need to things: 1) An easey way to say wget to download all png images 2) A light image-wiever for see those images (Note that i only have a base instalation with fluxbox.. |
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| 22:15.05 | chops | esDebian: For (2) I like xli (there's also imagemagick's 'display') |
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| 22:16.16 | Bushmills | display can also display images per URL |
| 22:16.24 | Bushmills | no need to wget them first |
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| 22:17.33 | jonlesser | I have python2.4 and python2.5 installed on Etch. What do I need to do in order to have 'apt-get install python-mysqldb' install to python2.5's site-packages folder? Right now it ends up in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages. |
| 22:17.41 | pilgrim | Does debian have a repository that's accessible online like gnome's svn? |
| 22:17.41 | Bushmills | but there is no easy way to download "all" images. only those which are referred to by whatever html is send to the client can be. |
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| 22:18.11 | esDebian | Bushmills: I'll like to download and keep them in my pc so, i think that wget is the easier way for that.... |
| 22:18.19 | Juventino | jonlesser, try aptitude install python-mysqldb ? |
| 22:18.26 | pilgrim | I want to see this code change: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dpatch/dpatch_2.0.10/changelog ( dpatch (1.21) unstable; urgency=low ) |
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| 22:20.32 | benjamindees | pilgrim, source tarballs can be gotten from packages.debian.org or add a source repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get source <package> |
| 22:21.11 | jonlesser | Juventino: I just tried that and it went to python2.4's site-packages again. (I had previously removed python-mysqldb with apt-get remove) |
| 22:21.14 | benjamindees | pilgrim, there is no repository; maintainers upload full packages |
| 22:22.08 | Juventino | jonlesser, hmm sorry then i can't help further, you can ask someone else.. |
| 22:22.57 | jonlesser | Juventino: thanks for trying, I'll keep looking |
| 22:23.11 | Juventino | most welcome |
| 22:23.16 | esDebian | Hey, is there anyway to do something like: wget -r http//www.onemanga.com/Naruto/*/*.png it doesn't worked for me, so i tried to wget -r http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/\*/\*.png but it also don't work, What i try to do is like get in all directories of /Naruto and dowload all the images .png... Is there a trick with * for that? |
| 22:23.49 | benjamindees | !python2.5-mysqldb |
| 22:23.58 | benjamindees | !info python2.5-mysqldb |
| 22:24.29 | benjamindees | jonlesser, that version does not exist in debian for whatever reason |
| 22:25.16 | Juventino | jonlesser, yea, i just tried too, apt doesn't seem to have it here |
| 22:25.16 | Juventino | so i GUESS, it's a sid for now |
| 22:25.16 | Juventino | which means that having it on etch won't be a good idea |
| 22:25.17 | Juventino | but i might be wrong |
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| 22:25.41 | chops | benjamindees, jonlesser: python2.3-mysqldb and python2.4-mysqldb are provided by python-mysqldb (on etch) |
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| 22:26.19 | wd | exit |
| 22:26.24 | chops | benjamindees, jonlesser: That makes it sound like you'd have to recompile python-mysqldb adding support for python 2.5 in order to get it to work |
| 22:26.39 | SPF | esDebian: maybe you can use this: http://www.pastebin.org/35127 |
| 22:27.01 | SPF | make it recursive and download all the files you want |
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| 22:27.17 | jonlesser | so if there's no python2.5-mysqldb, I should just get the package from mysql-python.sourceforge.net, and manually install it? |
| 22:27.37 | chops | jonlesser: What are you trying to use that needs mysqldb in python 2.5? |
| 22:28.36 | chops | jonlesser: The most sustainable solution would be to get the Debian source package and figure out how to add support for python 2.5 to it (possibly even contributing a patch back :-). |
| 22:28.45 | ricosecada | I have a problem with one of my servers. When a PHP script is used to send mail, mails for hotmail never arrive. There is no problems with other web mails like gmail, and there is no error in the mail log. I am using Postfix. What could cause this problem? |
| 22:28.46 | jonlesser | chops: I'm doing Django development. I suppose it would all work in 2.4, but 2.5 is shiny with improvements I don't fully understand. |
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| 22:29.08 | benjamindees | esDebian, http://www.editcorp.com/Personal/Lars_Appel/wget/wget_3.html |
| 22:29.10 | petemc | ricosecada: hotmail silently drops mail for reasons known only to them |
| 22:29.31 | benjamindees | esDebian, the -r option to wget will only retrieve *all* files when used against a ftp server |
| 22:29.38 | chops | jonlesser: I'd be inclined to stick with 2.4 rather than install software from the upstream tarballs. Support for 2.5 will go into the Debian package at some point. |
| 22:30.14 | benjamindees | esDebian, for http, it will parse any html files retrieved and download the links therein |
| 22:30.33 | jonlesser | chops: Well that sounds reasonable. thanks benjamindees, Juventino, and chops. |
| 22:31.14 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | hi I am getting You don't have permission to access error in apache when I try to access a file although it is 777 in ftp..any hints ? |
| 22:31.23 | chops | jonlesser: np |
| 22:31.24 | Juventino | n/p |
| 22:31.43 | SPF | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: what ftp server are you using? |
| 22:31.52 | Bushmills | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: the dir, or one of the parent dirs, is not readable |
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| 22:32.49 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | SPF ..I dont know I just changed perms with ftp ..let me check parent perms |
| 22:33.20 | esDebian | Err, anyother program to see png images? Xli seems to no support them.... |
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| 22:34.11 | Bushmills | xli does support png |
| 22:34.17 | Juventino | esDebian, apt-cache search png |
| 22:34.21 | Bushmills | maybe you're missing png libs |
| 22:34.35 | chops | esDebian: Are you sure the images are okay? Do they open in gimp or imagemagick's "display"? |
| 22:34.44 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | Bushmills, all 777 |
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| 22:34.55 | chops | esDebian: xli is certainly supposed to support PNG |
| 22:35.14 | Juventino | even Konqueror can open png.. lol |
| 22:35.35 | phorce1 | Juventino: http://www.texasvolksbus.org/nvidia-lenny.htm |
| 22:35.46 | esDebian | Err, the image seemsm to be okay, but let me dowload another one.... the one i'm trying to open is a from one of the test with wget... |
| 22:36.09 | phorce1 | Juventino: my quickly handwritten html sucks |
| 22:37.04 | Juventino | thnx phorce1 |
| 22:37.05 | Juventino | but |
| 22:37.07 | Juventino | why wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-kernel-source_169.12-1_i386.deb |
| 22:37.07 | Juventino | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.11 | Juventino | i mean |
| 22:37.20 | Juventino | they should be getted from the mirros already |
| 22:37.34 | Juventino | and more yet m-a a-i nvidia should do that for you |
| 22:37.34 | phorce1 | Juventino: those packages are not available in lenny |
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| 22:37.54 | Juventino | well i'm using Sidux.. it's leeny also |
| 22:38.01 | Juventino | based on debian sid |
| 22:38.27 | Juventino | but i'll give that tut a try :) |
| 22:38.32 | Juventino | thnx a million mate |
| 22:40.05 | esDebian | Well, it was an error, it seems that png is supported but i can't give it a try just now... anyway, i just discovered that the actual page of all the images so.... i think it will be veryyy funyyy lol! |
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| 22:40.58 | phorce1 | Juventino: if those packages are available in your repositories then you should be able to drop the wgets and change that part to aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source and aptitude install nvidia-glx where the dpkg -i commands are |
| 22:40.59 | Bushmills | "sidux is an operating system based on Debian's most modern branch (called "Sid")" the sidux web page says |
| 22:41.24 | Bushmills | 1. it is *not* sid. and 2. it is *not* lenny |
| 22:41.50 | Hydroxide | Juventino: Ubuntu is "based on sid" too, but there are lots of differences. we can't be expected to support either Ubuntu or Sidux here. Some things might be the same, but clearly they've changed some things, otherwise it would be Debian. |
| 22:42.05 | Juventino | Hydroxide, i'm not asking for support :) |
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| 22:43.10 | sirob | they take the packages from the sid repository and the check them if is stable enough before ship them |
| 22:43.29 | craigevil | Juventino: hop over to #sidux and use smxi to install nvidia drivers |
| 22:43.36 | esDebian | Yep, xli works, i just tried it.... Do you know something like wget for Windows? Or a port? I'm using it right now (On a cyber, i was executing debian with virtualbox...) |
| 22:44.04 | grendal_prime | i need everyone that hits an apache2 server to be redirectected to a different server. |
| 22:44.09 | phorce1 | esDebian: wget has a windows port I think |
| 22:44.12 | sirob | sidux also have some scripts for easy maintain the system such us smxi |
| 22:44.14 | Juventino | thnx craigevil |
| 22:44.17 | benjamindees | !tell esDebian about cygwin |
| 22:44.28 | grendal_prime | i was thinkinging RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://newserver.org$1 [R,L] |
| 22:44.37 | grendal_prime | but that does not seem to be working |
| 22:44.43 | Bushmills | Juventino: what could be the reason that a how-to for lenny doesn't work for you? |
| 22:45.07 | Juventino | Bushmills, well, when i tried the m-a a-i nvidia |
| 22:45.22 | Juventino | there were a few errors |
| 22:45.38 | Juventino | and apprently the nvidia-common-kernel wanted to downgrade the kernel |
| 22:45.38 | Bushmills | strange. is the how-to wrong? |
| 22:45.49 | Bushmills | or could there be another reason? |
| 22:45.50 | Juventino | no i didn't say it's wrong |
| 22:45.50 | sirob | Juventino: check the sidux forum (http://sidux.com/module-PNphpBB2.html) |
| 22:45.56 | craigevil | no sidux uses sid repos not lenny |
| 22:45.58 | Juventino | sirob, already did |
| 22:46.02 | Juventino | no solution avilable yet |
| 22:46.11 | Juventino | cause sidux uses kernel 2.6.23 |
| 22:46.16 | craigevil | no |
| 22:46.22 | craigevil | sidux has 2.6.25 |
| 22:46.24 | esDebian | YEAH! Wget rulez!! And i discovered it have a port for windows ; ) |
| 22:46.34 | Juventino | craigevil, i don't have the latest one |
| 22:46.35 | sirob | why you don't just take the driver from nvidia site ? |
| 22:46.40 | Juventino | i have the distro from dec |
| 22:46.46 | Juventino | sirob, did that |
| 22:46.53 | esDebian | This is the site: http://www.christopherlewis.com/WGet/WGetFiles.htm |
| 22:46.53 | Juventino | but i still didn't get the glx |
| 22:46.57 | craigevil | Juventino: use smxi thats what its there for |
| 22:47.01 | leche | in which package can i find "route"? (etch) |
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| 22:47.13 | Juventino | craigevil, will try that next time i boot into it :) |
| 22:47.17 | Juventino | i'm on etch for now |
| 22:47.23 | sirob | what did you exactly did ? |
| 22:47.37 | grendal_prime | leche: ? |
| 22:47.43 | grendal_prime | are you building a router? |
| 22:47.48 | Juventino | sirob, downloaded the file |
| 22:47.53 | sirob | yes |
| 22:48.01 | Juventino | and then ./NIVIDA-*****.run |
| 22:48.07 | sirob | correct |
| 22:48.16 | Juventino | you go into the setup and follow the steps |
| 22:48.29 | sirob | then you must edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:48.37 | Juventino | but still, for example when i tried running beryl it won't run cause of rendering problems |
| 22:48.39 | Juventino | i did edit it |
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| 22:48.42 | grendal_prime | leche: are you building a router? |
| 22:48.45 | Juventino | and changed nv to nvidia |
| 22:48.50 | sirob | correct |
| 22:48.53 | leche | grendal_prime, no.. sry.. found it |
| 22:48.56 | neoark | anyone have old google SOAP API key? |
| 22:49.09 | dclarke | I have very carefully compiled linux-2.6.24.4 kernel and I now have vmlinux and a System.map .. what do I do with these now ? Drop them into /boot and hope for the best ? |
| 22:49.21 | sirob | Juventino: can run this: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 22:49.32 | sirob | *can you ? |
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| 22:50.02 | Juventino | well i'm saving this commands |
| 22:50.07 | Juventino | can't try them right now |
| 22:50.14 | Juventino | cause i'm not on sidux at the moment |
| 22:50.16 | Bushmills | dclarke: consider to use make-kpkg for compiling a kernel, that gives you a .deb file which you can simply install. |
| 22:50.34 | docmax | one question |
| 22:50.36 | benjamindees | dclarke, you probably want an initrd too, or ask dpkg about etchnhalf |
| 22:50.50 | dclarke | ah yes .. initrd .. duh .. |
| 22:50.51 | dclarke | sorry |
| 22:50.52 | docmax | when gnome runs 2 terminal sessions |
| 22:51.02 | Bushmills | make-kpkg can be instructed to generate initrd |
| 22:51.09 | benjamindees | dclarke, and add the appropriate lines to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:51.10 | docmax | can i quit X and the terminals are running in backgorund? |
| 22:51.26 | Bushmills | no deed, because dpkg -i ... will do that |
| 22:51.29 | dclarke | as for the .deb files and things .. I did all this in a separate directory with an entire tool chain made piece by piece myself .. there is no reference to debian-ness at all in it .. but the machine is debiant etch |
| 22:51.35 | esDebian | Hey, just a doubt... when i compile a program or DE (desktop enviroment ;)) and a new version arrives... how i update it? |
| 22:51.45 | sirob | Juventino: if it print : direct rendering: Yes then the driver is installed correct |
| 22:51.50 | dclarke | benjamindees: sorry .. no grub here .. this is PowerPC |
| 22:51.55 | Guerin | esDebian: you don't compile, or you don't upgrade |
| 22:52.00 | Juventino | sirob, thnx :) |
| 22:52.14 | esDebian | Guerin: So i can't have both?.... |
| 22:52.27 | sirob | Juventino: np |
| 22:52.49 | Guerin | esDebian: |
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| 22:53.46 | clarity | hey, I did "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and setup some iptables rules |
| 22:54.13 | clarity | and now in the /var/log/messages it says "performing cross-bridge DNAT requires IP forwarding to be enabled" |
| 22:54.20 | benjamindees | docmax, if I understand you correctly, no; but you can use 'screen' to achieve that. |
| 22:54.27 | esDebian | I tought so... anyways, i wasn't going to compile.... ^^ |
| 22:54.37 | Guerin | esDebian: compiling things yourself from scratch is nothing to do with debian. So if you're doing that instead of using the debian packages, you're on your own. |
| 22:54.45 | Juventino | sirob, glxinfo | grep direct |
| 22:54.56 | Juventino | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
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| 22:55.04 | Guerin | !installit |
| 22:55.04 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 22:55.23 | craigevil | Juventino: install mesa-utils |
| 22:56.17 | Juventino | oh ok |
| 22:56.19 | Juventino | thnx :D |
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| 22:56.30 | benjamindees | !tell docmax about screen |
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| 22:56.52 | gino___ | hi!!!!! |
| 22:56.59 | gino___ | some are using fluxbox |
| 22:57.23 | docmax | benjaminindees: im talking on X-level |
| 22:57.27 | docmax | not terminal |
| 22:58.36 | benjamindees | docmax, okay, so not 'can i quit X' then. |
| 22:58.55 | docmax | i want to restart X |
| 22:59.01 | Bushmills | gino___: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=fluxbox |
| 22:59.07 | docmax | but not loosing terminal sessions |
| 22:59.10 | Juventino | Ctrl + Alt + Backspace |
| 22:59.30 | docmax | C + A + B kills all, or not? |
| 22:59.32 | Juventino | docmax, if your terminal sessions are on in X, then they'll be shut with all |
| 22:59.48 | Juventino | if you want to kill X and still have your work in a terminal |
| 22:59.49 | benjamindees | docmax, that restarts X, yes. |
| 23:00.12 | Juventino | i guess it's better if you just hit Ctrl + Alt + F1, F2, F3 etc |
| 23:00.15 | Juventino | and work there |
| 23:00.26 | Juventino | so that when you restart X your terminals stay alive |
| 23:00.31 | Juventino | that's what i think |
| 23:00.40 | benjamindees | ... or use screen. |
| 23:01.01 | docmax | i m running 2 terminal sessions right now in gnome |
| 23:01.11 | docmax | and i need to restart X |
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| 23:01.22 | sirob | screen is the ultimate solution |
| 23:01.28 | docmax | any possibilies to keep the terminals alive? |
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| 23:01.42 | Juventino | docmax, not that i can think of, sorry |
| 23:01.48 | gino___ | <Bushmills> : my probles is start fluxbox and star gnome apss.... some can help me? |
| 23:01.57 | docmax | ok... |
| 23:02.13 | docmax | whats F1 F2 F3 ... etc at all? |
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| 23:02.45 | docmax | anyway... Ctrl + Alt + Fx does nothing to me |
| 23:02.57 | Bushmills | docmax: those are function keys |
| 23:03.03 | Juventino | docmax, try yourself press Ctrl + Alt + F3 |
| 23:03.03 | jim | where x in 1 - 6? |
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| 23:03.18 | docmax | juventino, nothing happens |
| 23:03.19 | Juventino | and then press Ctrl + Alt + F7 |
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| 23:03.25 | Juventino | press the left ones |
| 23:03.34 | docmax | nothing happens |
| 23:03.42 | Juventino | :-s |
| 23:03.46 | docmax | is it because they are used by compiz cube? |
| 23:03.48 | jim | does your keyboard work at all? |
| 23:04.21 | jim | if nothing happens, we could assume that they are not used by compiz |
| 23:04.31 | Bushmills | docmax: executing, as root from an xterm, chvt 1 has the same effect as ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 23:04.51 | Juventino | docmax, try closing compiz then? |
| 23:05.08 | jim | but it could still swallow the keystrokes even if it doesn't do anything |
| 23:05.28 | docmax | anyway... i cant keep the terminal sessions alive |
| 23:05.35 | docmax | that was my first question |
| 23:05.39 | jim | why? |
| 23:05.53 | Bushmills | docmax: why you need to restart X? |
| 23:05.59 | Bushmills | can't you just start another? |
| 23:06.16 | jim | that would require another vt |
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| 23:06.24 | Bushmills | yes |
| 23:06.27 | peleg | I am desperately trying to force wput *not* to use TLS. in this site: "http://www.freshports.org/ftp/wput/" they say that it is possible using "make config"; though, I am not sure I want to build it by myself. any ideas if it is possible in any other way? (like it is possible in lftp using ~/.lftprc) |
| 23:06.29 | Bushmills | and so? |
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| 23:07.33 | jim | peleg probably that information is in the man page for lftp or for lftprc |
| 23:08.33 | peleg | jim: as I said, in lftp I *know* how to do it. this information is *not* on wput's man, if that's what you've meant. |
| 23:09.03 | peleg | the only possibility in wput's man is to enforce TLS; by default, it only "tries" TLS a few times or so (which is not good enough for me) |
| 23:09.33 | docmax | another question |
| 23:09.41 | jim | where??! |
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| 23:09.48 | docmax | is there any good videoplayer for linux? |
| 23:09.58 | docmax | not vlc, dont like it very much |
| 23:10.01 | peleg | jim: did you ask me? |
| 23:10.09 | Bushmills | docmax: mplayer, xine, vlc |
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| 23:10.16 | Juventino | docmax, try xine or kaffeine |
| 23:10.23 | jim | I won't answer for "good", try mplayer... you decide if it's good |
| 23:10.29 | docmax | tryed xine and vlc |
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| 23:10.35 | kibibyte | hi |
| 23:10.35 | docmax | xine looks ugly |
| 23:10.45 | kibibyte | how to suspend hibernate my debian? |
| 23:10.51 | docmax | vlc doesnt open files from network |
| 23:11.00 | Bushmills | docmax: what desktop environment are you using? or window manager? |
| 23:11.10 | Bushmills | vlc does open network files |
| 23:11.13 | docmax | i want something with on screen display |
| 23:11.21 | Bushmills | mplayer |
| 23:11.39 | jim | docmax: have you been listening? people are giving you suggestions but you're not responding... |
| 23:11.44 | docmax | im using gnome with compiz-fusion |
| 23:11.44 | esDebian-ve | Hey, is there some channel for talk about ASM programming in Linux/Windows |
| 23:11.50 | docmax | does mplayer have a GUI? |
| 23:11.54 | Bushmills | docmax: totem is also an option |
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| 23:12.03 | docmax | yeah totem is ok |
| 23:12.05 | jim | I'm -not- going to give a feature breakdown, wouldn't if I could. Try them yourself |
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| 23:12.29 | docmax | im searchning for something linke KMplayer on windows |
| 23:12.49 | craigevil | smplayer |
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| 23:13.18 | jim | docmax: some people here don't know what that is. try them yourself and see what you like. |
| 23:13.55 | docmax | jim, just tell me some players and i will check them out |
| 23:13.59 | docmax | will try smplayer now |
| 23:14.12 | kibibyte | how to suspend hibernate my debian? |
| 23:14.27 | jim | oh shit! what part of THAT WAS ALREADY DONE escapes your attention?! |
| 23:15.07 | kibibyte | ?? |
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| 23:15.30 | docmax | how can i automount drives in debian? |
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| 23:15.40 | jim | docmax, try participating in the conversation by paying attention after you ask |
| 23:15.56 | craigevil | kibibyte: http://swik.net/Hibernate+Debian |
| 23:17.20 | benjamindees | that's nice, kmplayer for windows is a rip-off of kmplayer for linux... |
| 23:18.04 | docmax | SMplayer looks good!!! |
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| 23:18.45 | leche | which init scripts in rcx.d will be stopped first? K10foo or K20bar? |
| 23:18.56 | jim | docmax: I think if you commit to participation by stating you're going to pay attention, you'll get people who would be willing to respond to you |
| 23:19.01 | docmax | SMplayer is whan i looked for.. nice UI! |
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| 23:19.27 | docmax | jim: i'm not paying attention? |
| 23:19.54 | jim | if you didn't see the list of players after you asked, then no |
| 23:20.10 | jim | you weren't paying attention then |
| 23:20.12 | benjamindees | leche, k10foo |
| 23:20.24 | leche | benjamindees, danke |
| 23:20.35 | jim | all you have to do is be more present |
| 23:21.07 | docmax | ok guys... now i need some more complicated stuff: |
| 23:21.12 | leche | benjamindees, i mean thx ;-) |
| 23:21.25 | docmax | i have 4 HD as shares available in my network |
| 23:21.46 | docmax | i want to have them on my desktop as drive symbols |
| 23:21.58 | docmax | but only if they are available |
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| 23:22.13 | docmax | is this possible? |
| 23:22.17 | jim | so you want a: b: c: |
| 23:22.31 | docmax | smb://nslu2/SDA1 |
| 23:22.36 | docmax | smb://nslu2/SDB1 |
| 23:22.38 | docmax | smb://nslu2/SDC1 |
| 23:22.40 | docmax | smb://nslu2/SDD1 |
| 23:22.48 | docmax | thats the location |
| 23:22.52 | jim | does the nslu2 have two eths? |
| 23:23.14 | docmax | no only eth0 |
| 23:23.20 | docmax | but thats not the qurestion |
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| 23:23.36 | w00fa | anyone know why alt+shift won't switch keyboard layouts in kde? I set it both in the kde control panel and with 'setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle' but no go... works perfectly in gnome btw |
| 23:23.39 | docmax | these shares are sometimes not available |
| 23:23.40 | jim | I was curious... need a little box with two eths |
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| 23:24.04 | docmax | but when available, i want them on my desktop |
| 23:24.09 | docmax | any ideas how to do it? |
| 23:24.13 | jim | well, brute force, you -could- script it |
| 23:24.34 | jim | a script that periodically runs, and polls for them |
| 23:24.39 | docmax | does automount have something to do with it? |
| 23:24.48 | benjamindees | jim, I have a little box with two eths: netgear wgr614 |
| 23:24.50 | docmax | pmount? |
| 23:24.52 | docmax | dbus? |
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| 23:25.06 | jim | benjamindees: what's it running? |
| 23:25.25 | benjamindees | jim, it's running vxworks :p |
| 23:25.39 | docmax | whats the simple solution to have them permanent on desktop? |
| 23:25.40 | jim | that's the os? |
| 23:25.46 | benjamindees | jim, but I'm under the delusion I can get linux onto it. |
| 23:26.15 | jim | benjamindees: I'd like to do the same |
| 23:26.27 | jim | how much work would you say it would take? |
| 23:26.28 | blubberdiblub | jim: why are you interestend in a configuration with 2 nics? bonding? (i got 4 nics on this machine, 2 devoted to pointopoint bonding with another box) |
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| 23:26.47 | jim | I want a littler router |
| 23:26.57 | x1250 | Is there anyway to prevent users of changing there passwords? |
| 23:27.05 | x1250 | there/their* |
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| 23:27.35 | jim | no, not currently interested in bonding |
| 23:27.43 | docmax | how can i make network drives like in windows for smb://nslu2/SDA1?? |
| 23:28.07 | jim | if you automount them, they will appear in the filesystem |
| 23:28.09 | Bushmills | jim, last time i checked, the Asus DL5xx wlan+switch+router+usb looked quite good. |
| 23:28.15 | docmax | ln -s smb://nslu2/SDA1/home/user/desktop/drivename ?? |
| 23:28.24 | Bushmills | plenty of RAM and flash, linux compatible (reflashable) |
| 23:28.26 | jim | usb, cool |
| 23:28.35 | docmax | ln -s smb://nslu2/SDA1 /home/user/desktop/drivename ?? |
| 23:28.38 | jim | do they have video? |
| 23:28.39 | docmax | is this possible? |
| 23:29.11 | jim | no, ln doesn't work that way |
| 23:29.14 | docmax | OR mount smb://nslu2/SDA1 /home/user/desktop/drivename ?? |
| 23:29.20 | leche | docmax, why dont you use smbfs? |
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| 23:29.39 | Bushmills | usb i consider essential. don't want to have to nfs mount for additional stuff all the time. |
| 23:29.40 | jim | you could try that, you'd probably need mount -t smbfs |
| 23:29.41 | docmax | leche tell me about smbfs |
| 23:29.48 | docmax | wait i will google |
| 23:29.52 | leche | ;-) |
| 23:30.05 | blubberdiblub | !tell docmax -about smbfs |
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| 23:30.40 | docmax | also u nice guys have to helb me installing my IR connection on my laptop |
| 23:30.46 | docmax | help |
| 23:31.04 | jim | I never done ir before |
| 23:31.41 | docmax | i need ir for my ir printer on my work |
| 23:31.54 | leche | i have a reciever flying arround here but im still too lazy for it ^^ |
| 23:31.57 | docmax | also vmware can integrate ir |
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| 23:32.10 | docmax | no receiver,.. mine is build in |
| 23:32.28 | Mantaar | hrrm... is there any way I could wire my HDD LED to one of my Keyboard's LEDs? |
| 23:32.30 | jim | considers playing with xen again |
| 23:32.39 | Bushmills | autofs has "automatic" support for smb, probing for available smb shares. |
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| 23:33.15 | TheViral | Can anyone help me with my mouse. It seems to have decided to replace all my single clicks with double clicks |
| 23:33.37 | TheViral | I think it has registered my mouse twice and I don't know how to change that |
| 23:36.14 | docmax | gnome autocreates icons on my desktop for different devices |
| 23:36.25 | docmax | for example when instering a sd card |
| 23:36.36 | docmax | also there is my windows xp drive |
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| 23:36.53 | docmax | how can i create such icons for my smbfs shares?? |
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| 23:37.10 | docmax | these icons seem not to be any file objects |
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| 23:37.23 | rhineheart_m | Is upgrading from one stable version of debian to another is easy? |
| 23:37.28 | x1250 | Is there anyway to prevent users of changing their passwords? I'm thinking about a system with ltsp thin clients where clients are publicly accesible by public username and password, so I would need to prevent a logged user to change the thin client login password. Is this possible? |
| 23:37.44 | jim | I guess you could do it in something like the gimp |
| 23:37.58 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: "one stable to another" ? |
| 23:38.11 | jim | rhineheart_m: which one to which one? |
| 23:38.15 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. Bushmills like older ver to a newer one.. |
| 23:38.21 | jim | rhineheart_m: which one to which one? |
| 23:38.28 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: potato to etch? |
| 23:38.43 | rhineheart_m | jim, right now it is etch right? later if the newer version will be released.. :) |
| 23:38.57 | jim | yeah, that would be easy |
| 23:39.20 | rhineheart_m | okay.. that would tell me to stay with debian. :) |
| 23:39.25 | jim | assuming you have the media (either a cd or dvd, or a net connection) |
| 23:39.40 | jim | word of warning however: |
| 23:39.55 | jim | upgrades are easy. downgrades are not supported at all. |
| 23:40.28 | rhineheart_m | jim, thanks.. until when etch be supported? |
| 23:40.37 | jim | dunno |
| 23:40.59 | jim | I thought it was about a year after etch+1 is released |
| 23:41.04 | rhineheart_m | Is it a long term release? |
| 23:41.35 | jim | not sure how to answer that |
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| 23:42.02 | jim | do you mean it gets released then gets pulled a month later? never seen that happen |
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| 23:42.13 | Bushmills | when lenny goes stable. you may have two years until next stable replaces lenny |
| 23:42.45 | intheboat | hi, how can i have whith french local have also turkish keyboard and font support |
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| 23:43.00 | intheboat | i'm very lost |
| 23:43.20 | wd | Bushmills: omg using twin now.. it's well.. hmm. |
| 23:43.48 | wd | by the way i figured out keybinding for mouse 2 button.. yay now blackbox here i come.. |
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| 23:51.45 | Mantaar | ++ |
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| 23:58.23 | Bushmills | lol... http://pic.smasher.org/default1.png |
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