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| 00:02.13 | woden1 | What is the recommended way to install nvidia driver under Lenny? |
| 00:02.31 | Mantaar | !tell woden1 about nvidia |
| 00:03.51 | woden1 | !tell Mantaar about nvidia_post_etch |
| 00:04.20 | blubberdiblub | are there any major benefits and/or drawbacks to running a i386 debian install with a *-amd64 kernel? |
| 00:04.29 | Mantaar | woden1: thanks, but I don't really *want* to know, you know? :-) |
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| 00:04.44 | gvl2 | !tell Mantaar about nvidia-lenny |
| 00:04.50 | woden1 | Mantaar: Well I'm trying this and it's not working |
| 00:04.59 | gvl2 | oops |
| 00:05.00 | Mantaar | gvl2: wtf? |
| 00:05.09 | cafuego | blubberdiblub: You can run certain 386 only(-ish) apps like a java plugin for your web browser. |
| 00:05.10 | gvl2 | !tell woden1 about nvidia-lenny |
| 00:05.20 | Mantaar | woden1: have you tried the instructions in the Wiki? |
| 00:05.39 | woden1 | Mantaar: Yes, the instructions in the Wiki do not work. |
| 00:05.40 | cafuego | blubberdiblub: If you didn't need one of them, amd64 would be fine. |
| 00:06.10 | Mantaar | woden1: well... what's the problem? |
| 00:06.12 | gvl2 | woden1: that link points to what I did about an hour ago |
| 00:06.29 | Mantaar | usually uses the NVidia installer to get the newest beta... |
| 00:07.34 | blubberdiblub | cafuego: yeah, that's why i'd heavily prefer 64/32 kernel/user over 64/64. and the 1 reason i found for 64/32 over 32/32 is that there's no need for highmem and pae anymore |
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| 00:08.20 | gvl2 | is going out to see if there are any new blackberries to pick -- woden1, if you have any questions about my methods /msg phorce1 (my regular nick) and I'll answer when I come back inside |
| 00:08.22 | woden1 | well, it lenny doesn't have everything necessary. you have to setup a testing/unstable mix. But when you try to install nvidia-kernel-source, apt-get wants to upgrade the entire system to sid. |
| 00:08.31 | cafuego | blubberdiblub: I've been running a 64bit kernel+userspace on my desktop for 18-odd months now and I'm really not missing java plugin functionality. The rest all works fine. |
| 00:09.01 | cafuego | blubberdiblub: flash and video USED to be a problem, but aren't anymore. Haven't been for ages. |
| 00:09.01 | gvl2 | woden1: see my web page -- don't add the sid repositories. grab the required files by hand |
| 00:09.23 | jim | woden1: that's what can happen when you do a mix rather than using (or making and using) backports |
| 00:10.18 | jim | and now you may be stuck, downgrades are not supported, so you might not be able to get back without restoring from your daily backup |
| 00:10.28 | woden1 | jim: I even tried apt-get -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source, and it still wants to pull in all of sid. |
| 00:10.50 | jim | because you've already installed other sid stuff, maybe? |
| 00:10.58 | blubberdiblub | cafuego: flash isn't a problem for me as i've decided to use gnash exclusively. and yes, video isn't a problem anymore. i found out how to get the nvidia-kernel-source to actually compile on my 64/32 system and it works like a charm ;) |
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| 00:11.00 | woden1 | nope, this is a brand new install of lenny |
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| 00:11.22 | jim | so you haven't added the things it needs yet? |
| 00:11.33 | woden1 | I'll probably format and try gvl2's solution on a fresh install |
| 00:12.07 | woden1 | jim: Well, I added the /etc/apt/apt.conf to make it a sid/testing mix. And I'm running the one-liner...it wants to pull in all of sid. |
| 00:12.15 | jim | I'm glad this doesn't disrupt you from doing work on files you may have composed |
| 00:13.06 | jim | can you backport rather than mix? |
| 00:13.15 | solemnwarning | Is there a debian package which does the same thing as http://www.red-bean.com/~bos/ ? |
| 00:13.43 | woden1 | jim: I don't have experience backporting. Wouldn't know where to begin. BTW, hasn't Lenny been missing nvidia for several months now? |
| 00:14.47 | jim | dunno, maybe... and that might be due to bugs keeping in in sid? |
| 00:15.16 | blubberdiblub | !tell woden1 -about simple sid backport |
| 00:15.48 | jim | some packages are easy to backport |
| 00:15.56 | jim | just get the source and build the package |
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| 00:16.23 | toad_ | is it possible to make root on LVM on md (mirroring) work on debian? |
| 00:16.27 | jim | oh, missing step, I'll restate |
| 00:16.55 | jim | just get the source, satisfy the build requirements for building that source, and build the package |
| 00:16.58 | toad_ | afaics it doesn't detect logical volumes until after it has finished the initrd and started init...? |
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| 00:17.21 | toad_ | just after detecting md's |
| 00:17.36 | toad_ | or do i just need to recreate my initrd? how do i do that? |
| 00:18.16 | dondelelcaro | toad_: so long as you have a /boot which is not, it's no big deal. |
| 00:18.25 | jim | toad_: probably, but note that it might be helpful in the future if you had rescue media that could boot into soemthing like a live cd and then you can mount the / of your installation (which would require what, dm, md, the filesystem |
| 00:18.27 | dondelelcaro | toad_: the initrd should have all of the modules necessary to make that work automatically. |
| 00:18.51 | dondelelcaro | toad_: and the installer also has all of the stuff necessary to make it work |
| 00:18.55 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 00:19.07 | toad_ | okay so i probably just need to update-initramfs -k all -u ? |
| 00:19.12 | toad_ | that's what i'm trying now |
| 00:19.42 | toad_ | has already changed the root ... and it doesn't work ... but maybe there's something in the initramfs that needs to be changed |
| 00:19.58 | woden1 | gvl2: isn't your method just a backport of the nvidia packages in sid? |
| 00:20.05 | toad_ | dondelelcaro it's a fair point ... well, the installer does LVM over cryptoloop, does it do LVM over raid? |
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| 00:21.20 | cafuego | toad_: yes |
| 00:21.34 | toad_ | okay, so it *should* work |
| 00:21.36 | toad_ | tries it |
| 00:21.44 | toad_ | cya in 5 minutes when it still doesn't work :) |
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| 00:21.47 | cafuego | toad_: I wouldn't be surprised if it did lvm over cryptoloop over raid |
| 00:22.00 | cafuego | just in case you hated your data and needed extra points of failure ;-) |
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| 00:24.33 | gpb | just wanted to say a HUGE *thanks* to debian-makers |
| 00:25.04 | gpb | i just had to use that idiotic we-will-help-you-interface in ubuntu |
| 00:25.16 | simonrvn | cafuego: that sort of thing sounds like an accident waiting to happen, or worse |
| 00:25.34 | gpb | THANKS that debian let's me DO whatb i want, not what ubuntu-folks *think* i want |
| 00:25.53 | cafuego | simonrvn: that's pretty much how i feel about storing data on crypto, but there you go |
| 00:26.00 | simonrvn | gpb: it's fine for newbies, but gets in the way of more experienced people; also, i don't think it helps newbies in the long term |
| 00:26.12 | gpb | yep |
| 00:26.36 | simonrvn | cafuego: even on a laptop... if you want something pasworded, password your bios/of/whatever |
| 00:26.40 | simonrvn | pass* |
| 00:26.54 | cafuego | simonrvn: if your data is so precious, don't take it with you. |
| 00:27.04 | simonrvn | yeh even |
| 00:27.22 | cafuego | has exactly one such precious file, which is gpg encrypted on a normal FS. |
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| 00:27.42 | gpb | what are you talking about? |
| 00:27.48 | cafuego | not having crypto overhad on *all* io operations also helps performance a fair bit ;-) |
| 00:27.49 | gpb | encrypting laptop hdd? |
| 00:27.56 | gpb | i did so |
| 00:27.57 | cast | backup data sitting on a dm-crupt partition just like you would anything else :) |
| 00:27.59 | cafuego | gpb: encrypting hds in general |
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| 00:28.18 | simonrvn | cafuego: no kidding ;) |
| 00:28.23 | toad_ | hmmm, root on lvm on md still doesn't work ... it gets stuck in waiting for root filesystem, just after activating the md's |
| 00:28.38 | gpb | i did encrypt my main hdd on my eee (so not too much reserve in raw computing power) |
| 00:28.40 | simonrvn | lvm / is iffy enough... |
| 00:28.46 | cast | ive been using hard disk encryption for years, never had any issues. don't notice speed, its umm..ill test speed |
| 00:28.47 | wd | Bushmills: just installed twm.. used it,logged out tried to use session.."xinit" nothing happened.. changed to root, same thing, nada. |
| 00:28.48 | gpb | didn't notice any degradation |
| 00:28.52 | toad_ | maybe i should just mirror the root directly yeah |
| 00:28.59 | phorce1 | woden1: no, mine wasn't a backport |
| 00:29.03 | gpb | oh, it's using luks :) |
| 00:29.21 | phorce1 | woden1: (I'm gvl2 -- was logged in on the machine I just installed lenny on) |
| 00:29.23 | wd | Bushmills: does twin interfere with xsession |
| 00:29.36 | woden1 | phorce1: How is yours different from a backport? |
| 00:29.36 | cafuego | toad_: Oh, you're putting root on lvm too.... hmmyeah, i don't have any experience with that. |
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| 00:29.49 | jim | simonrvn: I have an lvm ext3 which I want to resize... it's looking like the only way to do that is to boot some sort of rescue media |
| 00:29.56 | simonrvn | i do, and it's a PITA |
| 00:30.05 | jim | if it were xfs, I could resize it in place |
| 00:30.19 | jim | but then xfs needs a UPS |
| 00:30.19 | cast | drop from 73 megabytes/sec to 57 |
| 00:30.20 | cafuego | toad_: I usually go / on raid directly and the rest of the partityons on lvm . Mind you, root on lvm SHOULD still work. |
| 00:30.26 | netdaemon | jim: only grow, not shrink it |
| 00:30.34 | dondelelcaro | toad_: yes, the installer does lvm over raid; that's what I've got set up. |
| 00:30.36 | cast | jim: you can resize lots more than xfs in place |
| 00:30.40 | phorce1 | woden1: I just used the .debs for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from the sid repository and installed them with dpkg. I did not grab the source of those and rebuild it for etch. It was a "cross my fingers" move. |
| 00:30.45 | toad_ | dondelelcaro with root on lvm ? |
| 00:30.52 | jim | cast: ext3? while mounted? |
| 00:30.52 | toad_ | dondelelcaro how come that doesn't work here? |
| 00:30.58 | dondelelcaro | toad_: you just need a /boot which is all by itself; I usually use raid1 for /boot. |
| 00:31.02 | woden1 | phorce1: which way do you think is better? |
| 00:31.02 | toad_ | i have /boot |
| 00:31.08 | toad_ | that works |
| 00:31.09 | wd | hello does twin interfere with xfree? because i installed twin and didn't like it, removed/purged it and now xsession won't start "xinit". |
| 00:31.10 | dondelelcaro | toad_: not on lvm? |
| 00:31.12 | dendrite | jim: ext2/3 can be grown while mounted. Not shrunk. |
| 00:31.16 | cast | jim: yes |
| 00:31.17 | toad_ | no, /boot is a partition |
| 00:31.21 | dondelelcaro | right; then you should be ok |
| 00:31.24 | toad_ | it can be mirrored later |
| 00:31.27 | toad_ | well i'm not :| |
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| 00:31.35 | cast | can't shrink any fs online that i know of :\ |
| 00:31.39 | dondelelcaro | toad_: ok, so what exactly is the problem that you're having? |
| 00:31.44 | phorce1 | woden1: If you can build a clean backport that would be better -- and easier to redo later if you save the .debs elsewhere. |
| 00:31.53 | jim | you probably can't do any raid on /boot if your / is on your raid |
| 00:31.55 | toad_ | booting gets stuck at waiting for root filesystem |
| 00:32.00 | cafuego | Of course, if you like your data to need to fsck before AND after resizing ext2/ext3 so you can't keep it mounted regardless. |
| 00:32.10 | toad_ | just after activating the md's |
| 00:32.15 | toad_ | it doesn't detect lvm for some reason |
| 00:32.19 | cafuego | jim: md1 / is fine |
| 00:32.25 | cafuego | jim: Sorry, md1 /boot |
| 00:32.46 | jim | so you could do md1 /boot and md1 /? |
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| 00:32.53 | cafuego | jim: raid1 i meant |
| 00:32.56 | cafuego | jim: sure |
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| 00:32.59 | dondelelcaro | toad_: hrm... which kernel, and what initrd are you using? |
| 00:33.06 | toad_ | 2.6.24-1 ... |
| 00:33.13 | toad_ | and the debian-generated initrd |
| 00:33.13 | cafuego | jim: I have raid1 /boot and raid5 / |
| 00:33.22 | gpb | gnignt |
| 00:33.33 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 00:33.39 | gpb | and i PRAY this evening i never have to use ubuntu again |
| 00:33.41 | toad_ | it looks like it would be better to keep the current root, but mirror it... |
| 00:33.42 | cafuego | jim: both /boot partitions are at the start of the disk, so as long as they're mirrored it doesn't matter which disk the box is booting from. |
| 00:34.00 | toad_ | can i make a partition mirrored without moving the data there and back? |
| 00:34.17 | toad_ | or do i need to create a partition and dd the data? |
| 00:34.26 | micols | anybody know if its possible to set up a few switches so a computer connected to them dont get dhcp even though they're hooked up to an adsl modem which gives dhcp? |
| 00:34.36 | dondelelcaro | toad_: in theory, but it's always easier to create the partition and copy the data. |
| 00:34.43 | kuber | this is actually a really good idea: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/ |
| 00:34.54 | micols | i.e. i want 1 computer to be able to get dhcp, but then hook a few switches together so the other doesnt recieve dhcp from the adsl modem, only from the computer |
| 00:34.58 | micols | for netboot |
| 00:34.59 | simonrvn | why not just confiugre the box to not *ask* for a dhcp'ed address? |
| 00:35.05 | toad_ | well, i already have the partition, that's the thing |
| 00:35.14 | micols | simonrvn: dont have access to the proprietary adsl modem configuration |
| 00:35.30 | simonrvn | i meant the computer, but nm that |
| 00:35.34 | micols | simonrvn: also i need dhcp for netboot |
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| 00:35.44 | dendrite | micols: I'm thinking switches won't do it. |
| 00:35.44 | cast | put the dhcp computer between the adsl modem and the network? |
| 00:35.48 | simonrvn | set the computer's dhcpd as authoritative |
| 00:36.03 | micols | i dont have any crossover cable |
| 00:36.08 | cast | dont need it |
| 00:36.08 | micols | i only got extra netcards |
| 00:36.27 | toad_ | ok so i need a boot disk, then make a partition, put md on it, and dd the root lv back to the root partition |
| 00:37.16 | micols | perhaps i could make it like adsl modem -> gateway (my computer) -> nic -> switch -> netboot comp workstation |
| 00:37.24 | micols | without crossover, just hook switch up to nic on the server |
| 00:37.38 | micols | via uplink, and pray that it doesn't need crossover for uplink |
| 00:38.05 | dendrite | micols: uplink is really nothing but a port wired to turn a regular cable into a crossover cable. |
| 00:38.29 | phorce1 | micols: unless it's a REALLY old switch it should have auto-X on all ports |
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| 00:38.48 | micols | it has autosense |
| 00:38.50 | dendrite | micols: So, your modem - router/gateway/dhcp/boot - switch - netboot-machine sounds about right. |
| 00:38.53 | micols | its a zyxel es-108 |
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| 00:39.00 | dendrite | phorce1: I'm guessing if it has an uplink port... |
| 00:39.06 | iateadonut | two questions: ncurses? - what are some non-GUI pdf and xchat clients? |
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| 00:39.23 | cast | iateadonut: there will be something like pdf2txt |
| 00:39.23 | micols | uh, it doesnt have uplink port lol :) |
| 00:39.34 | micols | then i got a problem, without crossover cable |
| 00:39.34 | cast | litlebuda: and irssi, regarding a console irc client |
| 00:39.39 | kuber | there's a pdf viewer that uses svgalib |
| 00:39.44 | phorce1 | iateadonut: irssi for irc |
| 00:39.53 | iateadonut | cast: yes, i knew about that. good point. |
| 00:39.59 | cast | micols: you don't need crossover, like phorce1 said, unless its really old gear |
| 00:40.01 | dendrite | kuber: That's somewhat terrifying. :-) |
| 00:40.04 | iateadonut | phorce1: thank you. |
| 00:40.44 | iateadonut | (my motherboard broke and i had to use someone's old PI - but i'm really really pleased with how easily my hard drives transferred over) |
| 00:42.02 | kuber | looks like bmv. actually a ps viewer, but pdf2ps should fix that. |
| 00:42.22 | kuber | i could have sworn there was an svgalib pdf viewer in deb though. |
| 00:42.32 | cast | if its online could use googles pdf2html thingy |
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| 00:46.04 | iateadonut | no. it's on my system. |
| 00:46.10 | iateadonut | not easily online. |
| 00:46.29 | iateadonut | i'll google for svgalib pdf viewer for a while, though. thanks, kuber. |
| 00:46.43 | esDebian-ve | Hey, a doubt about programming... does the assembler programming makes programs faster than with C/C++ ( I know they are more "small" cause i have programed in the three )..? |
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| 00:46.44 | kuber | iateadonut: using pdf2ps and bmv will definitely work. |
| 00:46.51 | Matson | I need Java |
| 00:47.02 | Matson | I'm running stable / etch |
| 00:47.04 | kuber | and now that I think about it, I think I was using an svgalib dvi viewer, not pdf |
| 00:47.07 | kuber | so it may not exist ;) |
| 00:47.08 | Matson | what are my options? |
| 00:47.10 | iateadonut | ok. well, i've got the two options, then. i'd really like not to have to convert, but i couldn't really find anything. |
| 00:47.13 | iateadonut | ah... |
| 00:47.19 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 00:48.01 | Matson | all I have now is java-common |
| 00:48.12 | cast | Matson: your options are to install java, or realign your requirements. would you like some python? mmm? |
| 00:48.39 | Matson | I've tried to use Java like 10 different times in my career. I've *never* gotten it to work well |
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| 00:48.51 | simonrvn | python++ |
| 00:48.53 | Matson | this is really simple, I just need to run an applet |
| 00:49.02 | Matson | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=java |
| 00:49.43 | cast | !tell Matson about install java |
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| 00:50.00 | Matson | exactly |
| 00:50.25 | Matson | the bot can't even figure it our |
| 00:50.26 | Matson | out |
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| 00:50.45 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun hmm |
| 00:51.04 | Matson | sudo apt-get install java-gcj-compat |
| 00:51.14 | Matson | The following extra packages will be installed: fastjar gcj-4.1-base gij-4.1 libasound2 libgcj-common libgcj7-0 libgcj7-jar |
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| 00:51.33 | Matson | I that what I need to run a java applet? |
| 00:51.37 | Matson | s/is/ |
| 00:51.58 | cast | you know, i never ever install java. :) |
| 00:52.09 | jim | Matson: so you might have to build a package and install it... or maybe not... |
| 00:52.14 | kibibyte | how to open .EXE archive files? |
| 00:52.29 | jim | kibibyte: under windows |
| 00:52.34 | kibibyte | no |
| 00:52.35 | kibibyte | linux |
| 00:52.37 | esDebian-ve | Not only under Windows |
| 00:52.44 | kibibyte | its self extraction archive |
| 00:52.57 | jim | you'd have to run it |
| 00:53.08 | wd | does twin interfere with XFree86 because now i can't login to X, xinit gives me nada. |
| 00:53.08 | kibibyte | tell me how |
| 00:53.26 | cast | kibibyte: wine might, but i wouldnt. is stupid to run code you don't have source for |
| 00:53.30 | jim | I have no idea, I don't run windows binaries under linux |
| 00:53.49 | Matson | the number one hit failed me, before I came into the room copping an attitude |
| 00:53.51 | Matson | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-install-sun-java-on-debian-etch/ |
| 00:53.54 | esDebian-ve | Oh... i tough other thing.... because you can do a program an compile it like this: gcc program.c -o program.exe and it will execute normally... |
| 00:54.01 | kibibyte | cast, i need extract driver from dell website for ndsiwrapper |
| 00:54.04 | cast | ahh unzip can do .exe apparently |
| 00:54.20 | kibibyte | but the driver is in self extract .EXE file |
| 00:54.23 | esDebian-ve | What about going to terminal and executing it normally= |
| 00:54.25 | esDebian-ve | ? |
| 00:54.48 | kibibyte | esDebian-ve, wtf |
| 00:54.58 | kibibyte | exe in linux? |
| 00:55.18 | jim | esDebian-ve: so you're saying that you can rename a file from foo to foo.exe |
| 00:55.29 | nyk2005 | How can it be that my postgreSQL server is not responding anymore, but the server doesn't have anything abnormal when using "top". |
| 00:55.41 | kibibyte | ok unzip works |
| 00:56.11 | cast | sending people .exes is the stupid idea ever :| |
| 00:56.14 | jim | nyk2005: too many possibilities. |
| 00:56.33 | cast | nyk2005: because sometimes things fuck up in a way that doesn't involve them using up all the cpu :) |
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| 00:57.53 | nyk2005 | cast: I have about 14 threads writing data to a table with 20k rows. they all commit the db frequently. |
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| 00:58.51 | jim | notes there is #postgresql here... if you need more specific info than you're getting now, try there |
| 00:58.55 | esDebian-ve | jim: yeah, i have learned that last year, extremely estupid but it works.... ( I mean, why would you rename something like exe for Linux :)? ) |
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| 00:59.24 | nyk2005 | cast: these are all long running processes that need to store their results frquently because I don't want to loose the computations if something fails before a final commit |
| 00:59.33 | jim | esDebian-ve: for one thing, it does not change the format of the executable, it's still a linux executable |
| 01:00.23 | jim | gcc ... -o foo.exe ... will happily write what it would have written to a.out to foo.exe |
| 01:00.43 | nyk2005 | jim: is it too postgresql specific? |
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| 01:01.11 | Soskel | hi |
| 01:01.18 | Soskel | where is the mysql database socket path? |
| 01:01.39 | jim | the path is at your feet |
| 01:01.40 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: less /etc/mysql/my.conf |
| 01:01.44 | Soskel | thanks |
| 01:02.00 | Soskel | dondelelcaro: that's not it |
| 01:02.10 | jim | that's not what? |
| 01:02.22 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: uh... that's where it's *defined* |
| 01:02.43 | jim | you read that file, you find the path |
| 01:03.02 | Soskel | how can I find out the math? |
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| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: by looking at that file. |
| 01:03.48 | rares000 | ndiswrapper loads the driver and then does nothing |
| 01:03.52 | jim | the math of the path? avoid the wrath, fail the bath... |
| 01:04.02 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: if you couldn't, I wouldn't have told you about it. |
| 01:04.09 | Soskel | dondelelcaro: nothing is in tht file |
| 01:04.30 | jim | if nothing is there, how is it mysql runs? |
| 01:04.37 | jim | or does it? |
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| 01:10.28 | esDebian-ve | jim: yeah, it would not change the fact that is a Linux executable, but, that makes the people get confused... Exe is originally for Windows right? |
| 01:10.49 | dondelelcaro | esDebian-ve: exe is just a file extension; it's meaningless. |
| 01:10.52 | epsilon | .oO and .com |
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| 01:11.10 | dondelelcaro | (at least, it's meaningless in unix) |
| 01:11.10 | jim | .com is cpm |
| 01:11.38 | cast | a combination of youtube-dl and the mplayer mozilla plugin, to use yt without flash would be good |
| 01:11.49 | sdubois92 | I am using openbox with pypanel and gnome-power-manager. does anyone know if i can change the g-p-m images so they are transparent so it looks better with pypanel. right now they have a white background |
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| 01:12.53 | esDebian-ve | dondelelcaro: yeah, i know it but i mean that the file extension .exe is generally most used in Windows, that's all. I know perfectly about that stuff xD! |
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| 01:13.44 | jim | esDebian-ve: well if someone chose to name the file that way, then they may be choosing to confuse people, yes... but the fact that gcc doesn't care about what name you call things is not the source of the confusion |
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| 01:16.28 | wd | somehow i lost my logging abilities into X.. xinit and startx = command not found. |
| 01:16.37 | poseidon | Do the gtk+ bindings for python come with debian? |
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| 01:17.09 | Iradieh | Hmm is there a way to get GUI via SSH/VNC without installing X? |
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| 01:17.37 | cast | you just have to install xbase-clients, not an xserver |
| 01:17.49 | cast | afaik otherwise there is not. |
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| 01:18.10 | esDebian-ve | jim: yep :P |
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| 01:18.16 | Iradieh | xbase-clients huh |
| 01:18.22 | Firefishe | used to have Debian on his snow skis, but the gtk+ bindings in /boot failed, and he had to reinstall |
| 01:18.38 | Firefishe | I'm sorry |
| 01:18.41 | wd | just installed twin..didn't like it, purged it, now i can't login to X help. |
| 01:18.43 | dendrite | Firefishe: And let me guess, it was all downhill from there... |
| 01:18.54 | Firefishe | dendrite: yep...vewwy :P LOL |
| 01:18.55 | jim | gui without an x server |
| 01:18.59 | jim | what do you mean? |
| 01:19.02 | Iradieh | cast: could you be more specifik? |
| 01:19.43 | jim | Iradieh: actually I have the same request of you... could you be very specific about exactly what you want |
| 01:20.14 | Iradieh | I want to be able to VNC/SSH to my server, and see GUI, without actually having X (or something similar) running in the background |
| 01:20.43 | jim | in the backround of which machine? |
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| 01:21.26 | jim | do you want remote access? |
| 01:21.36 | dendrite | Iradieh: So you want a vnc server on your headless machine? and a vnc client on your workstation? |
| 01:21.57 | docmax | ok leute |
| 01:22.01 | enouf | fuck vnc |
| 01:22.12 | docmax | ihr hab ja den smplayer für mich rausgepickt |
| 01:22.20 | docmax | jetzt brauch ich nen simplen mp3 player |
| 01:22.20 | enouf | you fucken wintendo weenie shitheads |
| 01:22.24 | dendrite | Another country heard from. |
| 01:22.30 | docmax | vorbild bei windows: billy |
| 01:22.31 | jim | thank you for sharing |
| 01:22.50 | enouf | use the windows utils you dumbasses |
| 01:23.00 | jim | I like basses |
| 01:23.15 | jim | I don't know enough dumbasses tho |
| 01:24.15 | wd | jim: have a moment i'm freaking out here.. can't login |
| 01:24.19 | wd | just installed twin..didn't like it, purged it, now i can't login to X help. |
| 01:24.30 | jim | why? |
| 01:24.47 | enouf | wd: twin is only in experimental, nice job |
| 01:24.54 | wd | enouf: oh no |
| 01:25.05 | enouf | oh yes |
| 01:25.10 | wd | :( |
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| 01:25.16 | enouf | oldstable doesn't count |
| 01:25.24 | jim | watch out for experimental... in there, debian packages grow tenticles |
| 01:25.26 | wd | this is my ppc oldstable.. |
| 01:25.32 | wd | jim: ok |
| 01:26.26 | wd | jim: i installed twin and gpm... got it working.. then rebooted nada no x, so i purged twin, still nada, purged gpm, still nada.. :( |
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| 01:27.32 | DeFirence | hi all |
| 01:27.48 | DeFirence | anyone know why my debian box reboots at random? |
| 01:27.57 | DeFirence | :P |
| 01:28.04 | DeFirence | its not overheating... |
| 01:28.08 | simonrvn | ask it |
| 01:28.26 | kunwon1 | underwear gnomes |
| 01:28.52 | Nyle | simonrvn, yo |
| 01:28.59 | simonrvn | hi |
| 01:29.01 | enouf | panties? |
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| 01:29.03 | Firefishe | hi simonrvn |
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| 01:29.06 | dendrite | DeFirence: Most likely harware issues. Underwear gnomes not out of the question either. |
| 01:29.08 | jim | you might want to check for hardware problems, one simple way of ruling out a lot of problems is to run memtest80 |
| 01:29.12 | simonrvn | hi |
| 01:29.23 | Firefishe | simonrvn: you have helped me in the past...many thanks :) |
| 01:29.29 | simonrvn | np |
| 01:29.33 | Firefishe | *bow* |
| 01:29.33 | jim | err memtest86 |
| 01:29.42 | DeFirence | Underwear gnomes :O |
| 01:29.45 | DeFirence | sounds bad :p |
| 01:29.46 | wd | jim: what should i do? |
| 01:29.47 | DeFirence | lol |
| 01:29.58 | simonrvn | yeh, they grow in your shorts |
| 01:30.04 | jim | wd: it depends on what's causing the problem |
| 01:30.11 | dendrite | =8-o |
| 01:30.27 | kunwon1 | simonrvn, that's not a gnome |
| 01:30.32 | dendrite | Causing shorts circuits... |
| 01:30.42 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 01:30.42 | wd | jim i don't know what it could be. all my config look normal. |
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| 01:30.47 | kunwon1 | :D |
| 01:30.52 | kunwon1 | bows. |
| 01:31.09 | simonrvn | i was groaing at both actually =) |
| 01:31.09 | jim | you're not desribing anything, so I don't know either |
| 01:31.12 | simonrvn | n |
| 01:31.36 | enouf | wd: i got an idea - ask the GNOME and KDE devs why they won;t run on 32 MB |
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| 01:33.12 | wd | jim: i installed twin and gpm... got it working.. then rebooted nada no x, so i purged twin, still nada, purged gpm, still nada.. :( |
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| 01:33.37 | jim | what do you mean "nada" |
| 01:33.40 | wd | jim: i can't login into X |
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| 01:34.01 | jim | in what exact, specific, informative, complete way can you describe that? |
| 01:34.12 | jim | there's no information yet |
| 01:34.24 | wd | jim: when i log in to X using xinit it says command not found |
| 01:34.37 | wd | jim: same with startx |
| 01:34.48 | jim | what command is not found? |
| 01:34.55 | wd | jim: xinit |
| 01:35.24 | jim | also startx is missing? |
| 01:35.28 | wd | jim: which is what i've been using since i installed months ago.. |
| 01:35.28 | dendrite | wd: install xbase-clients ? |
| 01:35.28 | jim | howbout X |
| 01:35.30 | wd | jim: yes |
| 01:35.38 | simonrvn | a) use startx b) it's in some packages... used to be xbase-clients (in the old days...) |
| 01:35.48 | simonrvn | package* |
| 01:35.49 | enouf | wd: because you totally --purged remove'd anything X relates |
| 01:36.04 | wd | enouf: twin? gpm? |
| 01:36.12 | jim | oh, so you can't log into x because you removed it |
| 01:36.17 | simonrvn | wd: gpm isn't x related |
| 01:36.34 | wd | jim: i just removed twin gpm |
| 01:36.38 | enouf | wd: do i REALLY need to paste what you did 24 hours ago ? |
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| 01:36.55 | wd | enouf: this is a diff box |
| 01:37.08 | Iradieh | dendrite: correct, but the VNC client is alright |
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| 01:37.27 | Iradieh | dendrite: however I want a VNC server and able to see what I do... without having the extra load on the actual server (dont wanna run X) |
| 01:37.43 | dendrite | Iradieh: Well, vnc4server requires x11 libs (common) only... |
| 01:38.06 | Iradieh | dendrite: what does that include.. like nautlus and other stuff? |
| 01:38.10 | Iradieh | and what DE? |
| 01:38.11 | dendrite | No. |
| 01:38.15 | dendrite | No DE. |
| 01:38.51 | dendrite | Iradieh: And while I probably wouldn't have put it like enouf did, I do agree that GUI stuff sort of sucks on servers. |
| 01:38.51 | Iradieh | no DE |
| 01:39.08 | simonrvn | kinda useless on servers... |
| 01:39.23 | dendrite | Worse than useless, actually. |
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| 01:40.46 | wd | jim: http://rafb.net/p/oAh3DJ31.html |
| 01:40.50 | dendrite | Iradieh: apt-cache depends <package> to see what it requires. |
| 01:40.54 | wd | jim: did i do that? |
| 01:41.30 | Iradieh | well |
| 01:41.47 | Iradieh | hmm well can forget and just learn SSH throug terminal |
| 01:41.48 | wd | jim: where's my Xfree86? |
| 01:42.00 | Iradieh | Btw |
| 01:42.13 | Iradieh | does debian stable support apt-get autoremove --purge or do we still have to use aptitude? |
| 01:42.24 | dendrite | Iradieh: ssh into a server is a very good way to admin stuff. |
| 01:42.26 | simonrvn | dendrite: yeh, sure is |
| 01:42.52 | cast | beats nc|openssl |
| 01:42.55 | dendrite | Iradieh: Just make sure to lock down your ssh server, maybe set it up on a non-standard port, and maybe set it up to only accept pre-shared keys. |
| 01:42.56 | simonrvn | ssh is like ssh simon@host then login... there's nothing to learn right away |
| 01:43.09 | simonrvn | woops, user@host =) |
| 01:43.15 | poseidon | Is debian testing like a beta? |
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| 01:43.18 | wd | jim: i see it.. xserver-xfree86 installed do i need x11-common? |
| 01:43.20 | Iradieh | simonrvn: I meant learn CLI through bash.. |
| 01:43.21 | cast | poseidon: yes |
| 01:43.42 | poseidon | cast, how often are new releases released? |
| 01:43.42 | dendrite | Iradieh: The trick to learning CLI is to take it one step at a time. |
| 01:43.48 | cast | ssh is by default locked down :P though i do disable password auth personally, since users suck at picking passwords |
| 01:44.10 | Iradieh | dendrite: okay but as I asked does apt-get autoremove --purge work on stable Debian or hasn't it been implemented yet? |
| 01:44.11 | dendrite | cast: Arguably, disabling root login is a worthwhile tweak... |
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| 01:44.28 | dendrite | Iradieh: Dunno, never tried it. |
| 01:44.46 | cast | dendrite: but can be oh so annoying when i want to scp /etc/hosts root@host:/etc/hosts |
| 01:44.48 | Iradieh | can you try it now, dont got access to me comp yet |
| 01:45.22 | dendrite | cast: o_O |
| 01:45.34 | cast | dendrite: besides, if they can get ssh to let them in as root, they can as any other user, so its all fucked anyway |
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| 01:46.00 | dendrite | cast: I'm mainly just about stopping the automated attacks with that one. |
| 01:46.30 | cast | i'd rather promote decent passwords and public key authentication :P |
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| 01:46.51 | dendrite | cast: Fair 'nuff. I'm not dogmatic about this stuff. ( I don't have to be -- my boss is. :) |
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| 01:47.12 | cast | :) |
| 01:47.53 | dendrite | Iradieh: According to the apt-get man page, autoremove is in Etch. |
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| 01:48.03 | giorgian | hi. is there a way to know my current X settings (video mode, driver, etc.)? my xorg.conf is almost empty (things like "Configured Video Device")... |
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| 01:48.25 | Iradieh | dendrite: sorry I am not so familiar, is Etche bleeding edge.. (unstable?) |
| 01:48.47 | dendrite | giorgian: xvidtune may be of use. |
| 01:48.54 | Firefishe | Etch is stable right now |
| 01:48.58 | dendrite | Iradieh: No, Etch is current stable. |
| 01:49.02 | wd | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/oAh3DJ31.html ..... rc? what happened? |
| 01:49.06 | Iradieh | dendrite: awesome :) |
| 01:49.13 | dendrite | Iradieh: Um, sorry, this lappy is running a slightly stale Lenny. |
| 01:49.17 | Iradieh | hmm was it autoremove or --purge that wasnt supported before etch? |
| 01:49.42 | dendrite | Hmm. Not sure any of my Etch boxes are up atm. |
| 01:49.46 | wd | enouf: X stuff? how did this happened? |
| 01:50.40 | simonrvn | autoremove, and not supported in etch at all |
| 01:51.05 | dendrite | Iradieh: I have an Etch system on ARM -- and it does not have the autopurge in the man page. |
| 01:51.06 | wd | ok. to run a wm in sarge which x server do i need. xfree, x base, x window.. i'm confused? |
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| 01:51.16 | wd | all three? |
| 01:51.20 | Iradieh | simonrvn: but dendrite said it is... ? |
| 01:51.31 | cast | install x-window-system or something named just like that |
| 01:51.34 | simonrvn | read ^^^ |
| 01:51.54 | wd | cast: omg.. look. did i screw up? http://rafb.net/p/oAh3DJ31.html |
| 01:51.58 | simonrvn | he said no such thing |
| 01:52.03 | wd | cast: where's my X app. |
| 01:52.31 | dendrite | What did I say? |
| 01:52.44 | cast | wd: hold up...i'm a bit confused. is the wm on a remote box? |
| 01:52.48 | simonrvn | "...and it does not have the autopurge in the man page." |
| 01:52.59 | dendrite | Ah. Right. |
| 01:53.21 | wd | cast: ok i have xserver-xfree86 on my laptop.. yes i'm ssh into it now. |
| 01:53.31 | dendrite | Though I mistakenly said I was looking on an Etch box before, hence the confusion. |
| 01:53.43 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 01:53.45 | Iradieh | I am also a bit confused |
| 01:53.52 | dendrite | !confuse Iradieh |
| 01:53.52 | dpkg | Yes, what is their pants yesterday, Iradieh? breeches of the monarchy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 01:53.55 | Iradieh | Etch did not have apt-get autoremove --purge ? |
| 01:54.01 | wd | cast: my laptop won't let me login .. xinit/startx command not found. |
| 01:54.04 | jim | wd: to get out of x, you use ctrl-alt-backspace... now, try X |
| 01:54.10 | dendrite | Iradieh: Not that I can see in the man page. |
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| 01:54.46 | cast | wd: what you have to do is have an x server running locally, and tell the remote box where your xserver is. i can't remember how to do this, though i did manage to do it with the help of howtos |
| 01:54.47 | Iradieh | hmm |
| 01:54.52 | dendrite | Iradieh: I'd previously been looking on a Lenny box, forgetting it wasn't Etch. |
| 01:54.54 | wd | jim: i'm not in X, i can't login to my laptop. |
| 01:54.55 | Iradieh | then I should get lenny (Unstable`?) |
| 01:54.59 | dendrite | ... |
| 01:55.07 | dendrite | What's the big deal about autopurge? |
| 01:55.26 | Iradieh | Dont get to use aptitude and love it that it removes unused stuff :) keeps my system clean |
| 01:55.37 | cast | [i skipped the tunneling over ssh part as it introduced so much overhead, but that was on a home network so ssh was overkill] |
| 01:55.38 | dendrite | Iradieh: Lenny is Testing, not "unstable." |
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| 01:56.04 | dendrite | Iradieh: Though, I'd be wary of Lenny, unless you really have a reason to go there. |
| 01:56.06 | wd | jim: i'm using my laptop now and i can't login using X |
| 01:56.23 | Iradieh | What is unstable then |
| 01:56.24 | wd | jim: when i type xinit or startx i get command not found |
| 01:56.31 | Iradieh | there is always stable (current) and unstable (testing/beta?) |
| 01:56.32 | dendrite | Iradieh: Sid. Always. |
| 01:56.38 | jim | it's going to take a long time to show you what you need to know |
| 01:56.45 | Iradieh | So wich one is more "dangerous" to use, Sid or Lenny? |
| 01:56.52 | Iradieh | more.... bleeding edge |
| 01:56.58 | dendrite | Iradieh: Sid is more dangerous. |
| 01:57.03 | jim | I'm not quite prepared to spend that time |
| 01:57.13 | Iradieh | Okay guess I go with Lenny then |
| 01:57.15 | wd | jim: thank you. |
| 01:57.17 | jim | look at what I said before: |
| 01:57.21 | jim | wd: to get out of x, you use ctrl-alt-backspace... now, try X |
| 01:57.22 | dendrite | Iradieh: Why not Etch? |
| 01:57.31 | Iradieh | I want autoremove --purge =) |
| 01:57.42 | jim | I'm telling you how to get out before you get in |
| 01:57.46 | dendrite | Iradieh: I'm ignorant of the charms of autoremove -- what is it good for? |
| 01:58.03 | Iradieh | Removes unused libraries |
| 01:58.19 | dendrite | Iradieh: deborphan can help you with that. |
| 01:58.22 | wd | jim: ok, i did it and nothing happened. |
| 01:58.25 | Iradieh | for example.. apt-get autoremove --purge irssi -> will remove irssi combined with anyt dependencies that came with it and is not used by other |
| 01:58.33 | jim | so you typed X |
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| 01:58.37 | jim | and hit enter |
| 01:58.39 | jim | yes? |
| 01:59.21 | wd | jim: ok. i did. nothing |
| 01:59.24 | dendrite | Iradieh: That does sound useful. Being old-school, I generally just run deborphan to remove that sort of cruft. |
| 01:59.33 | jim | what do you mean -exactly-? |
| 01:59.36 | Iradieh | deborphan needs to be tinkered with? |
| 01:59.38 | poseidon | Does etch have a package for python gtk 2.X? |
| 01:59.38 | dendrite | Iradieh: But thanks for the tip. =) |
| 01:59.54 | pickcoder | prefers clutter |
| 02:00.05 | dendrite | Iradieh: deborphan gives you a list of unused libs, you have to effect their removal yourself. |
| 02:00.13 | jim | specifically, what exactly happened? there's no information |
| 02:00.15 | Iradieh | dendrite: np, now you can assist me, where can I get the netintall of 'testing' been looking all over the website :) |
| 02:00.28 | dendrite | Iradieh: Which is a good thing, imho, since it's possible that something needs a lib but isn't known to apt. |
| 02:00.29 | netdaemon | dendrite: or apt-get auto-remove.... |
| 02:00.53 | wd | jim: i hit ctrl alt backspace x didn't shut down. i did it again. there's no X running. |
| 02:01.02 | dendrite | netdaemon: Good news is I don't usually worry about it too much. :-) |
| 02:01.05 | jim | so you typed X |
| 02:01.08 | jim | and hit enter |
| 02:01.10 | jim | ? |
| 02:01.15 | Iradieh | dendrite: I think those two things uses the same system to check for dependencie issues |
| 02:01.18 | wd | jim: yes. nothing happened. |
| 02:01.28 | jim | what do you mean exactly? |
| 02:01.28 | wd | jim: command not found |
| 02:01.34 | dendrite | Iradieh: I'd start by looking on the debian site -- not sure exactly where. I guess you're looking for a daily build, or some such? |
| 02:01.43 | netdaemon | dendrite: me either, aptitude does a good job of cleaning stuff when i remove anything =) |
| 02:01.44 | wd | i typed X "command not found" |
| 02:01.58 | jim | so you don't have xserver-xfree86 installed |
| 02:02.10 | pickcoder | poseidon: tried apt-cache search ? |
| 02:02.18 | dendrite | netdaemon: I never got used to aptitude... *sigh* |
| 02:02.31 | jim | try apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:02.33 | wd | jim: what is Xfree86-common |
| 02:02.57 | dendrite | Not xorg? |
| 02:03.05 | jim | he's running sarge |
| 02:03.09 | dendrite | Ah, oh. |
| 02:03.11 | pickcoder | wd: try "startx" |
| 02:03.28 | wd | pickcoder: "command not found" |
| 02:03.36 | jim | guys... please read the scrollback, it's not there |
| 02:03.54 | pickcoder | has no scrollback |
| 02:03.56 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 02:04.08 | wd | jim: reinstalling |
| 02:04.17 | dendrite | pickcoder: What irc client? |
| 02:04.19 | Mantaar | pickcoder: use /lastlog. |
| 02:04.20 | jim | reinstalling what? |
| 02:04.20 | poseidon | pickcoder, thanks |
| 02:04.28 | pickcoder | just joined a few mins ago |
| 02:04.34 | jim | ahh |
| 02:04.39 | pickcoder | I don't live here 24/7 like I used to |
| 02:04.40 | wd | jim: nvm... getting xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:04.42 | dendrite | pickcoder: Ah. That's DIFFERENT, now isn't it? =) |
| 02:05.41 | jim | you used to live 24/7?! |
| 02:06.27 | cast | ecryptfs looks kinda cool, *ponders ecryptfs w/ nfs* |
| 02:06.53 | wd | jim: to get a working X system to use with a wm do i have to have xserver-common and xserver-xfree86 and xbase-clients and x window system? |
| 02:06.56 | pickcoder | yeah.. I go on stand-by mode after 11pm now |
| 02:07.35 | dendrite | Iradieh: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- I imagine the Lenny netinst ISO you want is somewhere there. |
| 02:07.48 | dendrite | pickcoder: How very green of you. =) |
| 02:07.54 | Iradieh | yeah found it, thanks dendrite ... downloading it with 3g and bluetooth :) |
| 02:09.07 | zythmer | cast: I'm trying that now but not with NFS. I've been using encfs. I tried installing LVM + dm-crypt through the debian installer on a laptop but it was painfully slow (when tranferring over scp, it would lock up my keyboard). I'm using ecryptfs on a separate parition now. |
| 02:09.54 | dendrite | zythmer: Hmm. I have an encrypted disk under lvm, on a lappy, and it seems to run well. |
| 02:10.52 | cast | zythmer: what cpu? |
| 02:11.10 | zythmer | core 2 duo, T8300 |
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| 02:12.02 | cast | fyi amd64 users, aes_x86_64 gave me a decent performance boast :) [might have been 10 or 20%] |
| 02:12.08 | cast | boost, too |
| 02:12.13 | cast | zythmer: thats kinda weird. |
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| 02:13.23 | zythmer | yeah it is. I was running top and kcryptd (or something named like that) would use up to 50% CPU or more. |
| 02:13.33 | cast | i personally go for encrypting /home, /var and having /tmp on a memfs, and no swap :) - this is on a 2ghz X2, |
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| 02:15.48 | zythmer | no swap = no suspend to disk? Or do you set that up separately? |
| 02:16.39 | cast | don't like the idea of suspend to disk w/ encrypted filesystems, but i never use suspend to disk anyway |
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| 02:18.55 | zythmer | dendrite: even under heavy I/O? It seemed okay except when I did large file transfers. |
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| 02:19.44 | dendrite | zythmer: I run one or two Xen instances, and routinely beat the snot out of the databases on those VM's, and while it's noticable, It's still acceptable. |
| 02:19.59 | dendrite | zythmer: And the whole kaboodle is encrypted. |
| 02:20.17 | pickcoder | dendrite: what kind of db trans/sec are you pushing on it |
| 02:20.47 | dendrite | pickcoder: I haven't measured it, but loading dev snapshots of the db pushes it pretty hard. |
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| 02:20.56 | zythmer | dendrite: Yeah, that's what I was doing as well. Everything but /boot. I could deal with a noticable difference but not being able to type was too frustrating. It would stop accepting keyboard input for a couple seconds at a time. |
| 02:22.01 | dendrite | zythmer: Yeah, that would be unacceptable. |
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| 02:23.33 | aliver | Hi there, I'm new to debian. I'm having some issues with a 4.0r3 stable machine. I did a minimal install while the machine wasn't connected to the network. Once I want to upgrade my kernel, since I know the latest one makes my internal NIC work (currently using USB NIC). However, I'm unable to figure out how to do it. I did a search with apt-cache and saw 'kernel-image-yaadda-2.6.18-6-yadda' which is newer than what I have, but apt-get |
| 02:23.36 | cast | lets hope ecryptfs-tools compiles on etch now |
| 02:23.58 | aliver | BTW, I simply uncommented the debian and debian-security apt sources in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:24.04 | aliver | Do, I need more or something? |
| 02:24.06 | cast | aliver: your line was too long and got cut off |
| 02:24.19 | aliver | cast Sorry about that. |
| 02:24.35 | aliver | cast Let me summarize. New 4.0r3 box, can't upgrade kernel. |
| 02:25.15 | phorce1 | aliver: apt-get update |
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| 02:25.15 | phorce1 | aliver: apt-get install linu-image-whatever |
| 02:25.15 | dendrite | phorce1: He says apt-cache search sees it. |
| 02:25.15 | aliver | phorce1 that doesn't get me a new kernel. Neither does 'update' + 'upgrade' |
| 02:25.19 | mmlj4 | dist-upgrade |
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| 02:25.26 | cast | /exec -o uname -a |
| 02:25.28 | aliver | mmlj4 neither does that. |
| 02:25.32 | dendrite | phorce1: If you're on 4.0r3, your kernel will be -4- or -5- -- you'll need to *install* the new one. |
| 02:25.46 | dendrite | aliver: ^^ that was for you. |
| 02:25.47 | aliver | 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 02:26.05 | aliver | Is that the newest already? |
| 02:26.12 | cast | in etch, iirc |
| 02:26.22 | cast | .22 is available from backports.org |
| 02:26.26 | aliver | because I ran across someone saying that my stupid E1000 would work if I upgraded. |
| 02:26.37 | aliver | ... and it don't. |
| 02:26.39 | cast | what version does the E1000 start working? |
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| 02:27.02 | pickcoder | aliver: I think I read something about that with regards to various brands |
| 02:27.18 | aliver | cast I assume etch is what I have. Just installed from the netinst CD labeled 40r3 |
| 02:27.25 | cafuego | there are brands of e1000 now? |
| 02:27.27 | pickcoder | then again my memory is beginning to go |
| 02:27.32 | aliver | pickcoder any thing I can do ? |
| 02:27.47 | aliver | this is a PoS dell Inspiron 530s |
| 02:28.03 | aliver | It should have a 'don't laugh - it's paid for' sticker on it. |
| 02:28.05 | pickcoder | never mind that was another driver I was trying to use |
| 02:28.28 | phorce1 | !tell aliver about backports |
| 02:28.41 | phorce1 | aliver: use that to try the 2.6.22 kernel |
| 02:28.44 | aliver | I know linux fairly well, but i'm a total debian n00b, so sorry 'bout my igmoness. |
| 02:28.50 | aliver | phorce1 sweet thanks. |
| 02:29.35 | jim | what's the latest packaged kernel that works well when installed on etch? |
| 02:29.56 | Supaplex | I have a 82557 based intel 10/100b pci network adapter that was shipped with no bootrom. I've installed one now. what can I use to flash the new intel pxe bootrom client onto the card? |
| 02:30.04 | phorce1 | needs to remember to stick another NIC in the new box so I can put it on the local net as well as the adsl router |
| 02:30.08 | cast | http://rafb.net/p/iDi5Zg22.html anyone know how to fix this gcc error? 'main.c:99: error: ‘__WNOTHREAD’ undeclared (first use in this function)' |
| 02:30.24 | phorce1 | 3 pci slots kinda sucks |
| 02:30.43 | Supaplex | phorce1: hey buddy :) |
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| 02:31.09 | phorce1 | Supaplex: 'mornin' |
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| 02:31.53 | jim | cast: something's not declared... which is intended to be declared... so, where is it declared? btw, there are errors before that? what's the first one? |
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| 02:32.29 | phorce1 | Supaplex: only 800 more accounts to move and I can consider moving up to 1.7.3 from 1.5.8 <sigh> too many irons in the fire |
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| 02:33.23 | pickcoder | it's part of wait.h |
| 02:33.29 | pickcoder | include it in main.h |
| 02:33.32 | pickcoder | er |
| 02:33.34 | pickcoder | main.c |
| 02:33.38 | cast | jim: thats the only error me thinks |
| 02:33.46 | dendrite | cast: install kernel headers. |
| 02:33.49 | jim | cast: perhaps the thing you're building has requirements needed during the build which you're not satisfying |
| 02:34.00 | cast | hmm. |
| 02:34.17 | pickcoder | that's possible if if the include is part of another dev project |
| 02:34.36 | jim | cast: can't do anything here, unless you're sure... if it's the only error, then a file that properly gets included doesn't contain the needed dec |
| 02:34.57 | jim | if it's not the only error, perhaps you'll find it's not able to find a file |
| 02:35.18 | pickcoder | do what dendrite suggested first |
| 02:35.22 | cast | sec, bpo is a bit slow |
| 02:35.24 | pickcoder | and make sure the kernel headers are there |
| 02:35.32 | cast | yay for 23kb/s |
| 02:35.46 | aliver | I'm installing that 2.6.22 kernel from backports. thanks all. Just one other question. Will I break the crap outta debian if I just slackware-style throw a vanilla linux kernel on this bad-dog and cowboy install it (manually updating GRUB's menu.lst, etc...) ?? |
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| 02:36.08 | pickcoder | waits for the mob to ascend |
| 02:36.13 | Supaplex | !tell aliver -about kp |
| 02:36.15 | cast | aliver: could compile your own kernel..:D |
| 02:36.38 | Supaplex | aliver: so um. if you're using bpo, it's pre-managed. otherwise, roll it via kp |
| 02:37.04 | aliver | !tell aliver -about kp mantra |
| 02:37.06 | jim | aliver, it won't break it as long as you put it in the menu.lst outside where the magic kernel thing is in the file (you'll see it) |
| 02:37.19 | pickcoder | aliver: you won't get the Debian kernel bug fixes |
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| 02:37.43 | aliver | okay, sounds like it's mostly possible then. |
| 02:37.53 | aliver | just "discouraged if not done just so" |
| 02:38.07 | pickcoder | discouraged if you can't support your own system |
| 02:38.10 | jim | well, it's your machine and you can do anything you want |
| 02:38.18 | dendrite | aliver: Totally possible. Using the debian tools to make kernel packages is worthwhile. |
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| 02:38.33 | Soskel | hi |
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| 02:38.37 | aliver | dendrite are they fairly up-to-date ala kernel.org? |
| 02:38.48 | dendrite | ... |
| 02:38.53 | startgame412 | Hi how can I determine if my PVR USB2 tv card is detected and working in debain? |
| 02:39.04 | cast | well |
| 02:39.11 | dendrite | They... You can build any tree you want. If I understand your question. |
| 02:39.29 | dendrite | There used to be an issue with needing a patch to run initrd kernels, but I think that's been fixed. |
| 02:39.30 | aliver | dendrite okay, right on. |
| 02:39.36 | phorce1 | startgame412: lsmod to see if the modules for it are loaded |
| 02:39.37 | cast | i installed kernel headers, setup a softlink from linux -> linux-headers-2.6.22-4-vserver-amd64 in /usr/src, same error |
| 02:40.00 | aliver | thanks for all the help/info, folks. Much obliged. |
| 02:40.07 | phorce1 | startgame412: and dmesg right after you plug it in to look for loading messages |
| 02:40.17 | Supaplex | !lart teH empty fridge |
| 02:40.17 | dpkg | beats teH empty fridge senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 02:40.19 | dendrite | cast: You may need an -I in your make statement to tell it to look there for .h files.. |
| 02:40.29 | cast | hmm. |
| 02:40.41 | startgame412 | how will i know if the modules are loaded |
| 02:40.52 | phorce1 | Supaplex: I have the same problem -- popcorn all day |
| 02:40.57 | cast | startgame412: lsmod |
| 02:41.29 | pickcoder | cast: "#warning NETLINK_ECRYPTFS not defined in netlink.h" would not give me warm fuzzies if I planned on using the code for critical use |
| 02:41.30 | startgame412 | yes i typed that in terminal but i do not know what i am looking for |
| 02:41.58 | cast | i'm not overly impressed, ive followed the instructions :\ |
| 02:42.16 | phorce1 | startgame412: unplug the tuner, count to 5, plug it back in, then run dmesg and see if you see loading messages for it |
| 02:42.19 | pickcoder | either something is missing from the project or someone was in a big hurry and forgot to declare it |
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| 02:43.23 | startgame412 | says something about it being jammed |
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| 02:44.10 | pickcoder | cast: did you download that source from somewhere? |
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| 02:44.19 | cast | sourceforge |
| 02:44.32 | cast | http://ecryptfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:44.42 | phorce1 | startgame412: you may want to see if anyone is awake on #linuxtv. They'll know more about the specific messages that pop up for tuners |
| 02:44.44 | pickcoder | on Etch? |
| 02:45.01 | startgame412 | im on testing |
| 02:45.11 | cast | pickcoder: etch, with 2.6.22 |
| 02:45.12 | startgame412 | ok thanks |
| 02:45.15 | pickcoder | erm |
| 02:45.36 | pickcoder | any issues with .22? |
| 02:45.45 | cast | ive had zero. |
| 02:45.54 | phorce1 | needs to pick at drivers for a PCIe Twinhan card in the new quad-core box |
| 02:46.13 | cast | and now i have kvm :) |
| 02:46.46 | pickcoder | I can test compile on the distributed kernel.. I'm weary of messing with this backup file server. |
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| 02:47.50 | jim | what's the latest packaged kernel that works well when installed on etch? |
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| 02:48.35 | zythmer | cast: ecryptfs has a kernel and userland part. The kernel portion has been in the vanilla kernel since 2.6.19-rc1. |
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| 02:48.43 | zythmer | are you compiling the userland or kernel? |
| 02:48.43 | Soskel | hi |
| 02:48.45 | cafuego | jim: packaged by...? |
| 02:49.04 | cafuego | jim: Coz a self-compiled 2.5.25 with kernel-package will work fine. |
| 02:49.05 | Soskel | how can I use rsync on my mac to backup my slicehost account? |
| 02:49.29 | jim | backports? I dunno, anyone pretty much |
| 02:49.37 | pickcoder | Soskel: is your mac running Debian? |
| 02:49.40 | kuber | rsync --rsh ssh /local/dir host:/remote/dir |
| 02:49.41 | muddd | in nfs, is the transfer speed specified by the client or server? |
| 02:49.44 | Soskel | pickcoder: :{) |
| 02:49.51 | jim | what do I need for 2.5.25 to build it under etch? |
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| 02:50.02 | cafuego | muddd: by the slowest of the two |
| 02:50.07 | zythmer | Soskel: I use unison instead since it's bi-directional. |
| 02:50.11 | cast | zythmer: indeed, so i'm happy with the kernel part...just i can't get the utils to use it to build :( |
| 02:50.12 | muddd | ah |
| 02:50.28 | cafuego | jim: build-essential, kernel-package |
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| 02:50.38 | Soskel | zythmer: that can backup entire os's? |
| 02:50.48 | pickcoder | cast: v44? |
| 02:50.49 | muddd | so no need to specify a different rsize wsize? |
| 02:50.58 | jim | who's the guy who packages em for debian? |
| 02:51.06 | cast | pickcoder: aye |
| 02:51.15 | cafuego | muddd: Well... making that bigger will help on a lan, but only up to a certain point. |
| 02:51.31 | cafuego | muddd: I use 16k here |
| 02:51.44 | muddd | ok the server is going to just be a udma2 drive anyways so I guess i'll leave it default |
| 02:52.10 | cafuego | muddd: what is the network? gbit? |
| 02:52.20 | muddd | noooo i wish |
| 02:52.22 | jim | waldi :) that's his hame |
| 02:52.27 | muddd | just a small lan |
| 02:52.27 | cafuego | then 16k will be fine |
| 02:52.51 | muddd | ah really? isnt default 4k iirc |
| 02:52.54 | cafuego | muddd: the udma2 drive will be quicker than 10-ish MB/sec prolly... |
| 02:52.57 | shyam_k | [OT]hi can u people help me suggest a Free accounting software for a shop (ehm to replace tally) i checked gnu cash but it seems more for individual financial management than for a shoppe.. |
| 02:52.58 | cafuego | muddd: aye |
| 02:53.12 | cafuego | muddd: so wize=16386,rsize=16384 |
| 02:53.12 | muddd | well cool i'll try 16k |
| 02:53.18 | muddd | thank you |
| 02:53.31 | cafuego | it might not make writes much faster, but it should help a bit with reads. |
| 02:53.52 | zythmer | Soskel: Never tried that with it. Instead of doing that, I use dpkg --get-selections and keep configuration changes in a git archive. |
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| 02:54.18 | cafuego | zythmer: I do that and dump it to a file in /etc/apt |
| 02:54.35 | cafuego | zythmer: .. and /etc gets grabbed by rdiff-backup nightly, along with actual data |
| 02:55.03 | pickcoder | meh.. it's complaining about pam |
| 02:55.15 | cafuego | pam is such a bitch, we hate her |
| 02:55.32 | muddd | ha |
| 02:55.51 | cafuego | actually, we like her. she's much nicer than nis |
| 02:57.49 | dendrite | shyam_k: I've used SQL Ledger -- not sure what your requirements are. |
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| 02:58.43 | pickcoder | cast: go under ./src/daemon |
| 02:58.56 | pickcoder | put #include<linux/wait.h> in the include list in mina.c |
| 02:58.58 | pickcoder | main.c too |
| 02:59.01 | pickcoder | it should compile fine |
| 02:59.02 | shyam_k | dendrite: they are a small shop and just want to keep track of their sales and print bills.. |
| 02:59.20 | cast | thats no space right? |
| 02:59.34 | dendrite | shyam_k: I'm not sure if SQL Ledger does invoicing very well. |
| 02:59.36 | pickcoder | #include [space] <linux/wait.h> |
| 02:59.52 | dendrite | shyam_k: There are a lot of accounting packages available for Linux. |
| 03:00.06 | cast | awesome, thanks man :) |
| 03:01.18 | dendrite | shyam_k: I seem to remember it doing invoices... |
| 03:05.55 | shyam_k | dendrite: it seems sql ledger can do it,what they want is like to give an initial amount,and then reduce the cost of purchase,add the sales money they got,to manage those things,and to print the bills thats all.. |
| 03:06.21 | pickcoder | open office? |
| 03:06.23 | dendrite | shyam_k: Yeah, that might work, then. |
| 03:07.09 | dendrite | shyam_k: And SQL Ledger has fairly well developed tax support. |
| 03:07.26 | pickcoder | by county? |
| 03:07.32 | esDebian-ve | Hey, i got one question... what's (really) an operative system? { kernel + utilities + (optional) dektop environment } ? So, if it is like that... what do the debian programmers do? Do they modify programs, i'm a bit confused...:S |
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| 03:08.22 | dendrite | pkcahier: It's customizable. I didn't go into it much, but it seemed to support all sorts of tax schemes, incuding VAT, and other non-US type stuff. |
| 03:08.31 | dendrite | pickcoder: ^^ |
| 03:08.38 | dendrite | Tab completion -- urg. |
| 03:08.48 | Iradieh | How long does "Decompressing Linux" take, VmWare on me macbook is taking a tad too long and the CPU is rushing |
| 03:09.06 | shyam_k | dendrite: thats cool..btw i just installed sql-ledger from debian repo but i didnt see anything installed on /usr/bin! how can i start that?or it dont have a gui? |
| 03:09.16 | dendrite | Iradieh: That should not take very long... |
| 03:09.23 | dendrite | shyam_k: It's accessed via a web browser. |
| 03:09.34 | shyam_k | dendrite: ok ill check:) |
| 03:09.40 | Iradieh | dendrite: guess its stuck then... :( dunno what to do.. |
| 03:09.44 | pickcoder | I started a GPL project a long time ago for a sales/distribution system under pick, but it seems that pickies are more interested in making $$ off the product than support |
| 03:09.45 | dendrite | shyam_k: Which may be a good thing, or not, depending on your networking requirements... |
| 03:09.57 | dendrite | Iradieh: Is this with your rcS hack? |
| 03:10.09 | dendrite | ... |
| 03:10.10 | Iradieh | my waht waht? |
| 03:10.14 | Iradieh | what what* |
| 03:10.15 | shyam_k | dendrite: yeah...but we generally have bad net connections here:( |
| 03:10.16 | dendrite | Sorry, wrong number. |
| 03:10.17 | Iradieh | No this is under VmWare |
| 03:10.40 | dendrite | shyam_k: Well, then run it on localhost... =) |
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| 03:13.38 | shyam_k | dendrite: thanks sql-ledger looks cool..ill have a detailed check with them.. |
| 03:13.57 | dendrite | shyam_k: Cool, good luck! |
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| 03:14.58 | shyam_k | dendrite: they were trying to use tally with wine,and stuck at some printer problem.:) |
| 03:15.13 | dendrite | shyam_k: Ugh. |
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| 03:15.45 | dendrite | shyam_k: I used to use the print to pdf feature, and email my invoices. :-) |
| 03:16.04 | dendrite | shyam_k: But it seemed to kill trees just fine, for that matter. |
| 03:17.06 | shyam_k | dendrite: cool.. may be after 1-2 years broadband will become common here,then there is no problem,now we have considerable number of dialup connections,and unfortunately,gnu dont work for winmodems:( |
| 03:17.33 | dendrite | shyam_k: Well, the web-based system could be handy in a shop LAN environment also. |
| 03:17.52 | dendrite | shyam_k: In fact, I'd be a little wary of publishing my company GL on the 'net... |
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| 03:18.11 | dendrite | Just a little. |
| 03:18.23 | shyam_k | dendrite: yeah,i said about sending email invoices:) |
| 03:18.34 | pickcoder | especially if you have to fudge accounts to balance the month end |
| 03:18.35 | shyam_k | dendrite: people should also be ready to recieve that right?:)) |
| 03:19.16 | dendrite | pickcoder: Ssshhhh... ;-) |
| 03:20.22 | dendrite | shyam_k: I guess I was lucky, that my clients could deal w/ emailed invoices. |
| 03:20.53 | pickcoder | we saved a crapload on stamps and paper when we slowly started converting our customers over |
| 03:21.04 | pickcoder | 75% are e-mailed now |
| 03:21.21 | dendrite | pickcoder: Sounds like a win. |
| 03:21.26 | pickcoder | definately |
| 03:21.33 | shyam_k | yeah,, |
| 03:21.59 | jim | is workman still around? |
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| 03:22.31 | shyam_k | here ( i am a college students) our classmates do talk more on net than f2f:) but its yet to reach the massess.. last year onwards or so,gov is providing broadand to schools |
| 03:23.06 | zythmer | jim: as in the program? |
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| 03:24.15 | dendrite | !seen workman |
| 03:24.16 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'workman', dendrite |
| 03:24.49 | pickcoder | !seen myself |
| 03:24.49 | dpkg | pickcoder: i haven't seen 'myself' |
| 03:25.00 | pickcoder | snickers |
| 03:25.02 | dendrite | I need to get the branches/don/dpkg flavor of blootbot running on our company dev server. |
| 03:25.07 | pickcoder | bed time.. |
| 03:25.12 | pickcoder | nite all |
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| 03:25.55 | dendrite | I noticed that blootbot has merged back in w/ infobot... |
| 03:26.16 | dendrite | So now I wonder if the dpkg changes will make it back to infobot... |
| 03:26.29 | shyam_k | dendrite: erbot? |
| 03:26.35 | dendrite | ... |
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| 03:26.39 | shyam_k | :) |
| 03:26.53 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
| 03:27.01 | dendrite | shyam_k: vim guy here. =) |
| 03:27.12 | shyam_k | hehe flames..:) |
| 03:27.20 | dendrite | !start editor war |
| 03:27.24 | dendrite | Dang. |
| 03:27.43 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 03:27.43 | dpkg | pico bites |
| 03:27.49 | Supaplex | I said war :P |
| 03:28.00 | dendrite | Supaplex: Thanks. We needed that. =) |
| 03:28.04 | dendrite | !lart emacs |
| 03:28.04 | dpkg | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, emacs, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 03:28.21 | dendrite | o_O |
| 03:28.29 | shyam_k | thanks all bye.. |
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| 03:29.23 | shyam_k | preparing to start a course for computer vendors' staff to make them provide default gnu systems |
| 03:29.38 | Harley^ | I am currently running, Linux LinuxPC 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux iceweasle will not run flash news videos. Is there a compiled version (386 perhaps) of firefox that will run on this machine that is available ? |
| 03:29.53 | shyam_k | dendrite: will report on u the success story of sql-ledger soon:) |
| 03:30.02 | markybob | !nspluginwrapper |
| 03:30.03 | dpkg | [nspluginwrapper] a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
| 03:30.10 | markybob | Harley^ that's for you |
| 03:30.41 | netdaemon | Harley^: there's also swfdec-mozilla and gnash-mozilla if you prefer the foss solution |
| 03:30.46 | netdaemon | swfdec works pretty well here |
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| 03:30.52 | Harley^ | markybob, I tried to get nspluginwrapper working in past and it does not seem to work |
| 03:31.23 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 03:31.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 03:32.59 | muddd | nice |
| 03:33.27 | Harley^ | Is swfdec-mozilla the only package that I would need to be able to see news videos in flash ? |
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| 03:34.38 | startgame412 | harley hat agriculture are you on |
| 03:34.52 | netdaemon | Harley^: i'm able to youtube on it, and most other sites work just fine |
| 03:35.05 | markybob | startgame412 his first post told you :P |
| 03:35.09 | netdaemon | although i am running sid, your results may be different |
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| 03:35.55 | startgame412 | sorry was not fully following |
| 03:37.14 | Harley^ | Ugghhh hecking for SWFDEC... no |
| 03:37.14 | Harley^ | configure: error: cannot find swfdec-0.6 0.6.0, which is required for build |
| 03:37.56 | startgame412 | did you compile swfdec 0.6.0? |
| 03:38.27 | Harley^ | I am trying to and that is the error I get when I typed ./configure |
| 03:38.52 | Harley^ | Is swfdec Different from swfdec-mozilla ? |
| 03:38.59 | startgame412 | seems like you are trying ot compile the plugin if you are getting that message |
| 03:39.13 | Harley^ | If it is, then I am putting the cart before the horse |
| 03:39.33 | startgame412 | yes you need to compile swfdec first then you have to compile swfdec-mozilla |
| 03:39.43 | Harley^ | OK |
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| 03:40.10 | startgame412 | what version of swfdec does the package manager have |
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| 03:43.02 | Harley^ | I am compiling http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/download/swfdec/0.6/swfdec-0.6.6 |
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| 03:43.29 | Harley^ | checking for PANGO... no |
| 03:43.29 | Harley^ | configure: error: pangocairo >= 1.16 is required to build swfdec - SHEESH ! |
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| 03:44.57 | startgame412 | what version of debain are you suing |
| 03:45.00 | simonrvn | to build, you need headers and other things |
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| 03:45.35 | Harley^ | 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:45.42 | simonrvn | so? |
| 03:46.06 | startgame412 | hmm |
| 03:46.09 | simonrvn | !tell Harley^ -about search |
| 03:46.33 | startgame412 | I am using the testing version so the latest swfdec is in teh package manager |
| 03:46.34 | jim | Harley^: if you build somthing, it will have build requirements (not the least of which is a compiler; you seem to have that as well as make). you need to satisfy those requirements whatever they are in order to have a successful build. |
| 03:47.09 | simonrvn | Harley^: that's not your debian version |
| 03:47.13 | simonrvn | !version |
| 03:47.14 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 03:47.57 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I tell gnome to use gthumb instead eog to open images? |
| 03:48.54 | markybob | gonzaloaf right click on an image and go to properties. then set the default in the "open with" tab |
| 03:48.57 | Harley^ | jim - Yes. I agree. Is there a program that will download the dependancies and build them so I can simply get swfdec to compile to get swfdec-mozilla to work ? |
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| 03:49.31 | gonzaloaf | markw, I did that but I have no good results |
| 03:49.39 | gonzaloaf | markybob, , I did that but I have no good results |
| 03:50.06 | jim | Harley^: debianized sources? |
| 03:50.40 | jim | if no, then you need to read the build instructions and follow them |
| 03:50.42 | Harley^ | OK. and are those available for swfdec-mozilla ? |
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| 03:51.14 | jim | your research is as good as or better than mine |
| 03:51.45 | jim | do you now have debianized sources? |
| 03:51.53 | Harley^ | :) thanks .... I was afraid it would get down to that ! :) |
| 03:51.59 | Harley^ | nope |
| 03:52.35 | jim | then this is a manual build (more or less) and there will not be any automatic dep resolver |
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| 03:53.33 | markybob | Harley^ apt-get build-dep libswfdec-0.6-dev should get you close |
| 03:54.20 | Harley^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.20 | Harley^ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:54.20 | Harley^ | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 03:54.20 | Harley^ | E: Unable to find a source package for libswfdec-0.6-dev |
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| 03:54.57 | Harley^ | sorry |
| 03:55.03 | markybob | ok. then try 0.5 |
| 03:55.51 | markybob | Harley^ which debian version are you running? |
| 03:55.57 | Harley^ | Nope that's a no go Unable to find a source package for libswfdec-0.5-dev |
| 03:56.19 | Harley^ | 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:57.06 | Harley^ | Etch |
| 03:57.42 | markybob | Harley^ 0.3 then :P or you could do a simple sid backport |
| 03:57.44 | markybob | !ssb |
| 03:57.45 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:58.23 | markybob | or check backports.org |
| 03:58.27 | startgame412 | lenny has swfdec 0.6.0 |
| 03:59.37 | markybob | that's enough from me about swfdec since i suggested nspluginwrapper anyway :P |
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| 04:01.34 | jim | startgame412: then you have a chance that either the package will already be backported, or you might be able to do the backport yourself |
| 04:02.44 | startgame412 | it may ventually be pabakported |
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| 04:02.52 | startgame412 | gnash has been backported to etch |
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| 04:20.15 | Harley^ | hrmm.. it seems I have my work cut out for me. |
| 04:20.30 | Harley^ | thanks for the help and feedback :) g'night |
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| 04:31.09 | EstEx | I can start x as root no problem. As normal user i get an error saying Xauth: |
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| 04:31.15 | EstEx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.39 | EstEx | err, just one 'locking' |
| 04:31.48 | markybob | EstEx sudo rm /home/rusty/.Xauthority and try again |
| 04:35.22 | anoHito | hi guys,how are you |
| 04:35.40 | anoHito | would anyone suggest me some nice tool for debian to protect system ? |
| 04:35.54 | anoHito | i am already running fail2ban which is very good one. |
| 04:36.37 | cast | fuck fail2ban. disable password auth</2 cents> |
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| 04:40.12 | EstEx | markybob: now I dont get that error but x still wont start |
| 04:40.44 | cast | doh. i guess to use ecryptfs in etch i require mount to support ecryptfs? |
| 04:40.53 | EstEx | markybob: it looks as if it will at first, (white/grey pixelated screen with X as cursor) but then stops and sends me back to CLI |
| 04:41.45 | cast | [seeing as you mount -t ecryptfs and says wrong fs type] |
| 04:42.36 | markybob | EstEx ...and the error is... ? |
| 04:42.46 | mhymn | anoHito: "argus", "swatch", "logcheck". "tripwire", "satan", "nessus", and "nmap" are all useful, worth testing them :-) |
| 04:43.50 | EstEx | markybob: justa sec |
| 04:43.58 | EstEx | its not exactly explicit |
| 04:44.09 | EstEx | i could post the whole thing up but i dont want to be rude |
| 04:44.22 | markybob | !pastebin |
| 04:44.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 04:45.54 | EstEx | !pastebin |
| 04:45.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 04:46.03 | d34df00d | Where should I set compile options such as makeflags for apt-get source --compile? |
| 04:46.12 | EstEx | how do I paste bin? |
| 04:46.15 | EstEx | *use |
| 04:48.49 | anoHito | mhymn, oh,lots of them :) |
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| 04:49.57 | keram | hey |
| 04:50.07 | mhymn | anoHito: yeah, each one for specific goal |
| 04:50.11 | keram | how can i bond multiple nic cards to increase throughput? |
| 04:50.13 | anoHito | mhymn, i mean,which one will work with apache and/or mysql and/or proftpd perfectly ? as well as fail2ban,when it is running it works good with them automatically to avoid possibly attack. |
| 04:51.03 | anoHito | mhymn, i see,thanks, and,may i ask more |
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| 04:51.24 | anoHito | mhymn, have you ever heard of CBAND ? which is a bandwidth throttleing tool |
| 04:51.41 | anoHito | but how come it slows down accessing speeds when it is enabled ? hmm |
| 04:52.40 | mhymn | anoHito: i haven't heard of that, it's not in etch neither, sorry |
| 04:52.59 | anoHito | Bandwidth throttling i mean, when it is enabled,whatever at the current time the bandwidth set is very okay but the accessing speed is much lower compare to when it is not enabled |
| 04:53.41 | anoHito | by the way ,'compare to when it is not enabled' i think this english grammar is wrong ? |
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| 04:54.36 | mhymn | anoHito: it doesn't seem so :-P |
| 04:58.01 | EstEx | xauth: creating new authority file /home/rusty/.serverauth.15087 |
| 04:58.01 | EstEx | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 04:58.01 | EstEx | xinit: Server error. |
| 04:58.03 | EstEx | Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console |
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| 04:58.44 | EstEx | did you get that? |
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| 05:05.17 | anoHito | it is strange that many useful package have been removed from etch to support apache2 |
| 05:05.27 | anoHito | for example,mod_limitipconn |
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| 05:11.22 | nite613 | !firefox |
| 05:11.22 | dpkg | from memory, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 05:11.39 | nite613 | !firefox3 |
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| 05:16.42 | hatter | I have just tried to mount a drive from etch installer disk in rescue mode, but it says 'mount: mounting on /dev/sda1 on /target failed: device or resource busy' what could make the disk busy like this ? |
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| 05:18.29 | icenine | hatter: something else is mounted at /target ? |
| 05:18.50 | icenine | try umount /target |
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| 05:20.40 | slxix | aah. 711 is awesome. |
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| 05:20.57 | icenine | is banned from 7-11 |
| 05:21.20 | hatter | icenine, no nothing is mounted there, it was a fresh install, then botting with debian installer |
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| 05:21.37 | icenine | hatter: but you at least checked, right? |
| 05:21.58 | icenine | hatter: are you able to mount the device using a different mount point? is the device mounted on any other mount points? |
| 05:22.01 | slxix | icenine: they're every couple of blocks here. :) |
| 05:22.06 | icenine | haha |
| 05:22.26 | icenine | slxix: well, there is one down the street from my house, that i've been a customer of for my entire life. |
| 05:22.50 | icenine | slxix: but one day the guy decided to rip me off deliberately and laugh. my friends and I kind of had a rivalry with him. |
| 05:22.57 | icenine | slxix: so I threw a street cone at the store |
| 05:23.01 | icenine | and it broke the window |
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| 05:23.30 | hatter | icenine, yes i checked |
| 05:23.32 | icenine | it was worth every penny of the 280 dollars to replace. |
| 05:23.52 | slxix | hatter: you're gonna take advice from this guy? ;) |
| 05:24.17 | icenine | slxix: have any better ideas? |
| 05:24.47 | slxix | i joined too late to see the problem. what's going on? |
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| 05:25.11 | icenine | slxix: his device is busy, he is trying to mount it. |
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| 05:25.51 | slxix | so it's in use somehow? |
| 05:25.58 | icenine | slxix: he says it's not mounted |
| 05:26.29 | slxix | how is he trying to mount it? |
| 05:26.55 | hatter | it is one of two drives in a raid1 set, fresh install, then on reboot , it doesnt boot, i am trying to boot with the rescue cd (etch installer) with :rescue acpi=off and i get : unable to mount /dev/sda1 to /target: device or resource busy |
| 05:27.34 | slxix | hatter: have you used raid1 before? |
| 05:27.34 | hatter | trying to boot with rescue cd to install grub to the mbr again in case its taht, but the drive is busy for some reason |
| 05:27.43 | hatter | slxix, yes, all the time |
| 05:27.45 | hatter | this is odd |
| 05:27.54 | hatter | i dont think its RAID related |
| 05:28.22 | slxix | i'm weak on raid, but are you sure you're supposed to mount /mnt/sda1 and not some special raid device? |
| 05:28.31 | hatter | slxix, no it doesnt matter |
| 05:29.09 | slxix | is /dev/sda1 listed in a lsof | grep 'sda1' ? |
| 05:29.12 | icenine | hatter: what drives does mount report as mounted? |
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| 05:29.46 | icenine | hmm, I was going to ask the same question, but decided not to when I couldn't find any of my mounted drives in lsof. |
| 05:29.50 | hatter | well thats odd, i just did : modprobe md, then mount /dev/md0 /target and it worked |
| 05:30.10 | slxix | what is md? :) |
| 05:30.12 | hatter | but the etch installer worked fine the other day |
| 05:30.25 | hatter | slxix, md is the module for linux s/w raid |
| 05:30.39 | hatter | the etch installer though, should work |
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| 05:32.25 | slxix | hatter: what do you mean? :) |
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| 05:33.05 | hatter | etch installer should boot off one drive |
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| 05:35.18 | slxix | icenine: i was thinking that lsof would show if any process decided to open /dev/sda1. |
| 05:35.44 | slxix | unlikely, but you never know.. :) |
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| 05:38.55 | icenine | slxix: must be some kernel-level missing knowledge that I need |
| 05:39.11 | slxix | icenine: for what? |
| 05:39.21 | icenine | block devices |
| 05:41.02 | slxix | icenine: or just pretend you know by making the person who asked figure out their own solutions. ;) |
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| 05:41.49 | icenine | no, I don't usually do that. |
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| 05:45.48 | icenine | it looks like all the devices listed in lsof | grep dev are opened by user processes. |
| 05:45.49 | Samonoske | I have gcc installed but make will not work..what should i do? |
| 05:46.03 | icenine | Samonoske: make will not work at all or for one package? |
| 05:46.36 | markybob | Samonoske is there a Makefile in the directory that you're running make in? |
| 05:46.43 | Samonoske | icekold i've only tried it on this one thing so i guess one package..i'm trying to setup suPHP i just ran ./configure |
| 05:47.00 | icenine | Samonoske: does it generate a Makefile as markybob just asked? |
| 05:47.13 | icenine | What error does it give you when you type `make'? |
| 05:47.22 | Samonoske | yes there is a make file |
| 05:47.30 | slxix | are you using raid1? |
| 05:47.30 | icenine | Samonoske: ok, so error is? |
| 05:47.35 | Samonoske | -bash: make: command not found |
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| 05:47.54 | icenine | Samonoske: aptitude search make? is there an i next to make |
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| 05:48.00 | icenine | make is a separate program. |
| 05:48.08 | markybob | Samonoske apt-get install build-essential |
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| 05:49.00 | Samonoske | markybob okay downloading now |
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| 05:49.55 | markybob | rahul are you the fucker who crashed into my trash cans and drove off? |
| 05:50.06 | spal | I want to set icedove as my default mail client? What command do I need to run? update-alternatives ???? |
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| 05:51.07 | slxix | spal: default mail client for your desktop evironment? |
| 05:51.15 | spal | slxix: yes |
| 05:51.38 | markybob | you could mention which desktop environment that might be... |
| 05:51.42 | spal | when I click on mailto: links evolution opens. i want icedove to open. |
| 05:51.50 | spal | markybob: GNome |
| 05:52.07 | markybob | system->preferences->preferred aplications |
| 05:52.11 | Samonoske | markybob it's working now thanks. |
| 05:52.32 | spal | thanks markybob |
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| 05:53.21 | black_13 | how do manually configure a network device? |
| 05:53.37 | hoxu | black_13, what do you want to do? |
| 05:53.53 | black_13 | configure eth0 |
| 05:53.57 | markybob | black_13 /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:54.03 | slxix | black_13: ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 :) |
| 05:54.22 | hoxu | black_13, configure eth0 how? |
| 05:54.39 | hoxu | !sunday |
| 05:54.39 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:54.49 | markybob | black_13 ifconfig will reset on reboot. /etc/network/interfaces is persistent |
| 05:54.57 | evilsporkman | it looks like my wireless card can only get an IP from my WPA-enabled router when I am also plugged into the router. what the heck? |
| 05:56.04 | slxix | evilsporkman: i don't understand. wireless and plugged in? |
| 05:56.17 | black_13 | markybob eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 05:56.30 | hoxu | black_13, ifconfig -a says what? |
| 05:56.36 | hoxu | !tell black_13 about pastebin |
| 05:56.59 | ootput | how do i list packages that have been installed on a lenny system that came from unstable repos? |
| 05:57.16 | markybob | ootput you dont |
| 05:57.22 | black_13 | hoxu its dificult to paste outa qemu |
| 05:57.31 | black_13 | or cut that is |
| 05:57.32 | ootput | markybob: how would someone else? |
| 05:57.34 | ootput | ;) |
| 05:57.45 | markybob | ootput they wouldnt :P |
| 05:57.47 | hoxu | black_13, at least tell us what interfaces it lists |
| 05:58.02 | evilsporkman | slxix: i have a ethernet card as well |
| 05:58.23 | black_13 | hoxu eth1 exists |
| 05:58.24 | evilsporkman | i just plugged in so i could search the internet but when i plugged in wlan0 got an IP as well |
| 06:00.02 | slxix | evilsporkman: so after you plug in, get an ip on your wireless device, you can unplug and use it wirelessly? |
| 06:00.11 | hoxu | black_13, did something change in your setup? |
| 06:00.26 | hoxu | black_13, you can just open /etc/network/interfaces and change eth0 to eth1 then |
| 06:00.34 | black_13 | sure let me try that |
| 06:00.46 | hoxu | black_13, or if you want to rename the interface, /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 06:02.59 | black_13 | hoxu works thanks |
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| 06:04.11 | mx | http://pastebin.ca/1014470 <--- will thsi work to save a rapidshare cookie? |
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| 06:07.29 | black_13 | hoxu would you have ideas on how to quiet the windows bootup process? |
| 06:07.46 | streuner | windows? |
| 06:07.50 | black_13 | sorry |
| 06:07.53 | black_13 | i ment debian |
| 06:08.08 | hoxu | quiet? |
| 06:08.08 | black_13 | terrible faux paus |
| 06:08.21 | slxix | black_13: you mean you want the bootup to look pretty? :) |
| 06:09.05 | black_13 | if you mean by pretty a black screen than yes pretty |
| 06:09.07 | simonrvn | "faux pas" |
| 06:09.27 | black_13 | simonrvn, pedantic |
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| 06:09.54 | simonrvn | i happen to speak that language... |
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| 06:10.28 | hoxu | oh, an early sunday morning with revelations... |
| 06:10.31 | streuner | used a animated lilo screen, it was really nice |
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| 06:11.12 | slxix | black_13: google's best responses all include kernel patches. are you willing to compile a kernel? |
| 06:11.23 | streuner | http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/xray-blue.html |
| 06:11.43 | black_13 | slxix ugly then huh |
| 06:11.53 | slxix | ugly? |
| 06:12.19 | black_13 | i can recompile the kernel |
| 06:12.44 | black_13 | slxix, what did you find |
| 06:13.14 | slxix | researching. hold on. :) |
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| 06:13.28 | streuner | Why do you want a black screen when booting? Its pretty usefull to get infos what going on (system)? |
| 06:13.45 | mx | how do i acess the home directory via ssh? i ccan only acess root |
| 06:14.08 | slxix | black_13: look at the splashy package |
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| 06:14.11 | streuner | look at the permissions |
| 06:14.27 | black_13 | to you an me yes ... but you have customers who see all that information passing by and the think it is somethig horrible |
| 06:14.27 | mx | huh? |
| 06:14.53 | hoxu | black_13, do they pay well? |
| 06:15.02 | streuner | !+tell mx -about permissions |
| 06:15.03 | dpkg | told mx about permissions. |
| 06:15.04 | black_13 | some do |
| 06:15.22 | hoxu | black_13, well, for the ones that do, ship with a blindfold and tell them they need to put it on while booting |
| 06:15.34 | slxix | spashy doesn't need a kernel patch and is included in debian. you can even put in your own themes. :) |
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| 06:16.05 | black_13 | usplash is pretty good and kills about 90 the messages |
| 06:16.10 | simonrvn | requires initrd however |
| 06:16.15 | black_13 | no problem |
| 06:16.16 | simonrvn | splashy |
| 06:16.25 | black_13 | i know what he said |
| 06:16.32 | simonrvn | i think usplash does too |
| 06:16.37 | black_13 | it does |
| 06:16.52 | stratman4300 | i find usplash is less buggy |
| 06:17.03 | black_13 | its during the hand off from usplash to xorg that you still get some init messages |
| 06:18.32 | slxix | perhaps you could add an rc script to blank your monitor during that part? |
| 06:18.34 | black_13 | slxix, what kernel patches did you find? also passing "quiet" to the kernel in bootload really quiets things |
| 06:19.09 | black_13 | slxix tell me more |
| 06:19.13 | slxix | black_13: the patch has been supersede by splashy. |
| 06:19.29 | black_13 | gets his thinking grenades |
| 06:20.28 | slxix | turn on monitor powersave mode? :) |
| 06:20.54 | black_13 | setterm ? |
| 06:21.07 | black_13 | yes how do i do that? |
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| 06:22.02 | slxix | i use "vbetool dpms off" |
| 06:22.39 | slxix | but be careful, it can anger X sometimes. :) |
| 06:22.46 | ReKlipz | I'm trying to setup a bridge between a wireless card and a gig ethernet card. The wireless will receive a connection via DHCP, and the ethernet should provide a connection along with DHCP (to a gig switch, not that it matters though). How do i do this? |
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| 06:23.08 | black_13 | slxix, anger how |
| 06:23.10 | ootput | how do i list packages that have been installed on a lenny system that came from unstable repos? |
| 06:24.19 | xingu | ReKlipz: bridge-utils, but you may find that your wireless access-point will only allow the mac addr of the associated client to pass traffic |
| 06:24.23 | ReKlipz | I think I'm 1/2 way there. I've got lines in /etc/network/interfaces that setup the bridge (br0) between eth0 and wlan0, and at boot, the br0 tries to grab an IP via DHCP, but teh wlan0 isn't connected until I login into gdm. |
| 06:24.24 | slxix | black_13: that's from the man page. i think it's because X assumes it has full control over your systems video. |
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| 06:25.18 | slxix | so turning it off, and then back on before X starts shouldn't hurt. |
| 06:25.18 | nnjghn | why wont dnsmasq respond to a dhcp lease request? |
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| 06:25.21 | slxix | nnjghn: why should dnsmasq respond to a dhcp lease request? |
| 06:25.45 | xingu | ReKlipz: the relevant docco for bridge-utils has movd to bridge-utils-interfaces(8) these days |
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| 06:25.53 | black_13 | vbetool dpms off has no affect |
| 06:26.17 | xingu | ReKlipz: in older versions, the docco lived under usr/share/doc/bridge-utils |
| 06:26.45 | ReKlipz | xingu, well, i can get the wlan0 to connect, and allow br0 to get an IP, it just refuses to hand out IPs after i've created the bridge, this probably an AP problem then? |
| 06:27.02 | xingu | ReKlipz: quite likely yes |
| 06:27.19 | ReKlipz | xingu: is this normally configurable in the AP>? |
| 06:27.31 | Gryfelhase | Hi. How can I detect, if I've already made an dist-upgrade from etch to testring? :) |
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| 06:28.06 | xingu | ReKlipz: no; the protocol you need (that is designed for wlan<->wlan datalink bridging) is called wds |
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| 06:28.13 | slxix | black_13: setvesablank ? |
| 06:28.43 | black_13 | let me see what happens |
| 06:28.55 | streuner | Gryfelhase: via libc6 version |
| 06:28.56 | xingu | ReKlipz: and you're only going to see that on a _host_ if the host is running in master (ie, ap) mode |
| 06:29.26 | nnjghn | why wont dnsmasq respond to a dhcp lease request? |
| 06:29.35 | ReKlipz | so, my $40 D-Link router isn't gonna support the wds protocol, and therefore leave me screwed? |
| 06:29.41 | nnjghn | slxix: why shouldnt it? |
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| 06:29.59 | Soskel | hi |
| 06:30.03 | Samonoske | http://pastebin.com/m12cc7526 Can someone please take a look at that error |
| 06:30.04 | nnjghn | slxix: dnsmasq is both a DHCP and a DNS server |
| 06:30.14 | Soskel | what's the command to tar up a directory, and all sub directorys? |
| 06:30.17 | Gryfelhase | streuner-thx |
| 06:30.24 | xingu | ReKlipz: part of the problem is that your bss association is all keyed in terms of your mac addr; another part of the problem is that stp isn't mandatory and in any case will create odd beating in the ordinary case (fade+reassociation); so there's no viable way for that topology to do loop detection/ prevention |
| 06:30.26 | streuner | Soskel: /msg dpkg tar |
| 06:30.40 | black_13 | slxix, no affect |
| 06:30.41 | Soskel | thx |
| 06:30.48 | black_13 | i wonder if it works in qemu? |
| 06:31.15 | xingu | ReKlipz: obviously it'd be lethal to have looped ethernet where you have one or more 802.11 hops |
| 06:31.20 | ReKlipz | xingu: the prevention is manual, aka, it wont happen, therefore no need for detection (lets just assume that's not a problem) |
| 06:31.38 | slxix | black_13: ok. i have one more option, give me a couple minutes. |
| 06:31.40 | xingu | ReKlipz: you're talking to the entirely wrong person about assumption. :) |
| 06:32.07 | xingu | ReKlipz: experience tells me to always assume that everything is mostly broken and partially working |
| 06:32.09 | Soskel | streuner: how can I tar up my root directory? |
| 06:32.45 | ReKlipz | xingu, well, does the fact that I can setup "network sharing" on windows with the same AP and have it hand out DHCP leases prove that the AP should work then? |
| 06:33.05 | nixbox | slxix: any idea? |
| 06:33.08 | xingu | ReKlipz: anyway, so taht's your primer; the good news is that NAT can address the design challenge for you |
| 06:33.35 | xingu | ReKlipz: ie, resolve the datalink issues via _routing_ across the 802.11 hop |
| 06:33.45 | xingu | ReKlipz: it's a more stable topology in any case |
| 06:33.50 | mx | curl: no URL specified! |
| 06:33.51 | slxix | nixbox: not yet. i'll look into your issue soon. |
| 06:33.53 | mx | grrr |
| 06:33.54 | ReKlipz | xingu: :) |
| 06:34.00 | xingu | ReKlipz: dhcp can still work if you run a bootp-helper on the fixed-ethernet leg |
| 06:34.13 | mx | curl -k -c /.rapidshare -d 'login=xxxxx&password=xxxxxx''https://ssl.rapidshare.com/cgi-bin/premiumzone.cgi' <--- can anyone tell me whats wrong with that command? |
| 06:34.49 | xingu | ReKlipz: in your shoes I'd avoid the NAT design too (it adds its own brokenness) and instead use different IP subnets on each datalink domain |
| 06:35.13 | nixbox | slxix: ok thanks |
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| 06:35.56 | streuner | Soskel: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~ola/courses/programming/tar.html |
| 06:36.22 | Soskel | streuner: that has it? |
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| 06:36.48 | xingu | ReKlipz: ie, so say 172.16/16 for your 802.11 bss, and 172.17/16 for your fixed ethernet; then ensure that the AP has a next-hop for 172.17/16 via whichever client; and ditton forward _to_ 172.16/16 via whichever client |
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| 06:36.51 | streuner | Soskel: you want tar /root/ , right? |
| 06:37.07 | slxix | setterm -foreground black and then setterm -foreground white |
| 06:37.32 | xingu | ReKlipz: again dhcp can still work - just capture broadcast bootp on the fixed ethernet leg and rewrite as unicast to the dhcp server (which is what a bootp helper does, in a nutshell) |
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| 06:38.40 | xingu | ReKlipz: the _reason_ that this (more complex) design is attractive is that if either datalink domain (fixed or wireless ethernet) break, the routing protocol used to share routes between the two could readily track the failure and withdraw the route |
| 06:40.48 | slxix | nixbox: have you tried running "dnsmasq -d" for debug mode? |
| 06:41.03 | black_13 | slxix, oh yeah that kills it |
| 06:41.07 | xingu | ReKlip1: ... all of which gives you rapid reconvergence and removes the black-holing which would otherwise occur with either bridging or nailed-up routing |
| 06:41.13 | nixbox | slxix: nops, i am using it for the first time, i am going to try that right now |
| 06:41.34 | slxix | do you have any specific reason to use dnsmasq? :) |
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| 06:41.53 | slxix | there are other options if dnsmasq is being a problem. |
| 06:42.02 | black_13 | slxix if you going to use that trick where would you put it inte startup scripts? |
| 06:43.40 | slxix | black_13: If I were you, I'd create an S01blank and put it in there. |
| 06:43.46 | xingu | sighs and wishes that the new 802.11n kit would just hurry up and ship already |
| 06:44.01 | black_13 | so the very first rc script |
| 06:44.05 | slxix | then perhaps another to clear the screen and change it back to white before X starts. |
| 06:44.22 | slxix | and pray I never have a need to read the output. :) |
| 06:45.04 | ReKlip1 | so, how can i make the wireless request a dhcp lease without having to login to GDM? I can change the interfaces file, but that only allows for one SSID... Is there a way to allow NetworkManager to do it for me? |
| 06:45.53 | yang | what replaces flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 06:46.37 | streuner | youtube for example |
| 06:47.00 | yang | no,for the pages, which still require adobe shockwave |
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| 06:47.35 | xingu | ReKlip1: wpa_supplicant's wpa-roam mode might help |
| 06:47.54 | streuner | yang: show us the whole error in paste.debian.net |
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| 06:48.18 | yang | streuner: there is no error, i need a plugn for iceweasel to display shockwave flash |
| 06:48.24 | heatxsink | hello all I'm for some reason having issues with configuring apache |
| 06:48.59 | xingu | ReKlip1: but in general interfaces(5) is keyed by _device_ not by learned attribute (ie things like available bssid) |
| 06:49.09 | heatxsink | i'm symlinking to the proper config located in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 06:49.10 | streuner | yang: apt-cache search flash plugin |
| 06:49.45 | xingu | ReKlip1: you could probably hotwire something with iwlist scan + an interfaces "mapping" script |
| 06:50.04 | yang | streuner: libflash-mozplugin ? |
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| 06:50.20 | yang | streuner: a bunch come up |
| 06:51.09 | streuner | yang: and the website is a simple flash player, right? |
| 06:51.21 | streuner | yang: s/is/has/ |
| 06:51.29 | xingu | ReKlip1: the only suggestion I've got in that area is pick a _single_ layer to manage your redundancy/ failover so that you don't get crazy beating _between_ layers in the corner cases |
| 06:51.55 | xingu | ReKlip1: wpa-roam looks attractive in that regard iff all networks inflict dhcp on you and also support wpa |
| 06:52.13 | yang | streuner: i think so , it says shockwave required - if i click on "missing plugin" it says that it will install adobe shockwave |
| 06:52.34 | heatxsink | doh I forgot NamedVirtualHosts * |
| 06:52.35 | heatxsink | lol |
| 06:52.36 | heatxsink | nm |
| 06:52.39 | heatxsink | thanks anyways guys |
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| 06:54.00 | streuner | yang: there is no plugin for linux available, IIRC |
| 06:54.14 | yang | streuner: oh bad |
| 06:54.27 | streuner | yang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_Shockwave |
| 06:55.36 | black_13 | slxix, how do iam sure the script is the very first to be executed? |
| 06:56.18 | slxix | black_13: they're executed in order. |
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| 06:56.31 | black_13 | slxix, /etc/rcS.d ? |
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| 06:57.14 | slxix | i'd just do it for one of the runlevels, like 2 or somesuch. |
| 06:57.45 | slxix | well, probably not 2 for you. |
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| 07:00.06 | drcode | hi all |
| 07:00.22 | slxix | read /etc/inittab and just add it to your default runlevel. |
| 07:02.47 | black_13 | the default "id:2:initdefault" |
| 07:03.14 | slxix | and if that doesn't work, put it in rcS.d :P (as you can tell, i'm not really sure.) |
| 07:03.49 | Guerin | fucking with init is not for the `not really sure' |
| 07:04.19 | black_13 | Guerin, hey dude here is no reason to curse |
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| 07:04.28 | Guerin | and the stupidity of the `not really sure' telling the `completely in the dark' how to fuck with init should be self-evident |
| 07:04.41 | Guerin | black_13: of course there fucking is! |
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| 07:05.19 | black_13 | slxix and are having a fine two way convo here c your way out |
| 07:05.48 | Guerin | nah, if you want privacy, get a room |
| 07:05.54 | Guerin | !room |
| 07:05.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:06.24 | black_13 | what is the worst thing that happens i trash a qemu vm big deal i dont mind |
| 07:07.16 | slxix | that's not true. :) |
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| 07:12.33 | black_13 | slxix, oh blanks out the screen |
| 07:12.46 | black_13 | sorry oh IT blanks out the screen |
| 07:13.26 | slxix | so it's as you wanted? |
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| 07:13.38 | black_13 | gives me ideas |
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| 07:14.35 | black_13 | there is still quite a bit of information that comes up before run level 2 |
| 07:16.29 | DawnLight | why is it that when i copy text from konqueror and paste it in vim it gets pasted with extra spaces in every line? |
| 07:16.47 | valdyn | DawnLight: because vim tries to be intelligent about indentation |
| 07:16.56 | valdyn | DawnLight: and it does not know if something is pasted or typed |
| 07:16.56 | xingu | DawnLight: the gods of the intarweb are angry with you |
| 07:17.03 | valdyn | DawnLight: use ":set paste" |
| 07:17.27 | DawnLight | great! thanks |
| 07:19.01 | xingu | hmm, suppose I ought to be a good little xingu and suck up 2.6.25.3 before I get buried in other things |
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| 07:19.25 | Livingroom | any suggestions for fetching apt-get through a proxy? |
| 07:19.41 | valdyn | Livingroom: whats the issue? |
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| 07:20.36 | Livingroom | issue is, i've got my iphone running dual proxies on 1080/8080 for different reasons; and my n800 tablet (maemo) is linked to it on an 802.11b AP-controlled lan, and i want to apt-get through the proxy. since ipfw doesnt exsist, i have to use the proxy connection |
| 07:21.09 | valdyn | Livingroom: http_proxy="http://prox:port/" apt-get update |
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| 07:21.31 | Livingroom | where would i put the http_proxy? |
| 07:21.32 | nixbox | i have setup a bridge, eth0 is connected to my cable modem, and eth2 to a wireless router, i am running dhcpd on linux machine, the wireless clients get an IP from the linux machine successfully, however, when I try to open a web page from wireless client, i only see the packets coming in on eth2 on linux box, there is no response to them, IP forwarding is enabled, what could be wrong |
| 07:21.46 | valdyn | Livingroom: in the same line, as i showed |
| 07:21.52 | Livingroom | i c |
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| 07:22.22 | Livingroom | oh freakin sweet man |
| 07:22.24 | Livingroom | wow just wow man |
| 07:22.25 | Livingroom | wow |
| 07:22.27 | Livingroom | thats just epic |
| 07:22.28 | cafuego | nixbox: no nat? |
| 07:22.36 | Livingroom | get i http_proxy other applications as well, or only apt? |
| 07:22.44 | cafuego | Livingroom: all |
| 07:22.48 | valdyn | Livingroom: arent you using a desktop environment? |
| 07:22.49 | Livingroom | i'd been using 'tsocks' but it didnt work well with apt |
| 07:22.53 | Livingroom | no |
| 07:22.56 | Livingroom | totally mobile, infact |
| 07:23.15 | morghanphoenix | there something speial you have to do to get the keyboard volume comtrol keys working with KDE on debian, when I pull it up to set global shortcuts the keypresses seem as if I'm pressing nothing when I hit them even though xev shows the button press and gives me a keycode for it. |
| 07:23.16 | slxix | nixbox: that setup sounds odd to me. what is the bridge for? |
| 07:23.17 | Livingroom | the iphone is the proxy "gateway" and the tablet is my device |
| 07:23.17 | valdyn | Livingroom: im not sure what "totally mobile" means in relation to desktop environment |
| 07:23.24 | nixbox | cafuego: ah, thanks for reminding me :P |
| 07:23.42 | valdyn | Livingroom: you can set it in the usual dotfiles too |
| 07:23.52 | valdyn | !wikifaq Livingroom DotFiles |
| 07:23.52 | dpkg | Livingroom: check out http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 07:24.02 | nixbox | slxix: just for the heck of it, i have never stup a bridge before :P |
| 07:24.11 | slxix | oh. neat. :) |
| 07:24.18 | Livingroom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc explains my setup |
| 07:24.51 | xingu | nixbox: there's no particular reason why that topology _can't_ work; is your dhcp subnet the same as the "router"'s fixed-ethernet network? |
| 07:24.57 | xingu | s/same/within/ |
| 07:25.29 | xingu | nixbox: ie, what is the "router"'s LAN address, netmask, and what is the DHCP pool range? |
| 07:25.49 | yang | xingu: do you know how to limit wireless connection so that its bind only to one router MAC address with wpa_supplicant? |
| 07:26.09 | ReKlip1 | xingu: I got the wpa_supplicant stuff working, br0 gets an ip successfully, but still eth0 isn't handing out leases... |
| 07:26.35 | xingu | yang: wpa-bssid ... |
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| 07:26.52 | nixbox | xingu: eth2 is part of the bridge and i assigned it an IP address in the 192.168.1.xxx/24 range, the router also has an IP address from the same subnet |
| 07:27.19 | xingu | nixbox: and what is the dhcp pool range? is that also within 192.168.1/24 ? |
| 07:28.05 | Livingroom | valdyn not sure if that explained it for you |
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| 07:29.32 | troubled | http://www.imagebin.eu/pics/79bff9984623e2df6b2676f9b6977c44.jpg |
| 07:29.50 | yang | xingu: i apply the setting wpa-bssid="00:11:22..." in the config? |
| 07:29.51 | nixbox | xingu: yes |
| 07:29.51 | sterna | hi, i need to make a choice between xen and kvm for a web/mail/development box |
| 07:30.04 | sterna | server box, too |
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| 07:30.20 | xingu | yang: see usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 07:30.31 | ReKlip1 | xingu: do I need to add a route for that stuff to work? |
| 07:30.51 | xingu | nixbox: suggest you leave ethX as un-numbered and move your addressing to the bridging interface, br0 or whatever. |
| 07:31.00 | nixbox | by the way do i even need NAT if i have setup a bridge? |
| 07:31.01 | troubled | that image by maligor btw ^^^ |
| 07:31.13 | troubled | xingu: hey there btw |
| 07:31.16 | nixbox | xingu: i have tried that too |
| 07:31.37 | xingu | ReKlip1: in your case yes I would go with a fully routed topology; a next-worse is NAT (this will hide the entire fixed ethernet behind the wireless client's IP and datalink address |
| 07:31.37 | nixbox | xingu: the bridge has IP address from the internet |
| 07:32.06 | xingu | nixbox: regardless; shift the addressing to the bridge interface, and off the underlying bridge component |
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| 07:32.26 | nixbox | xingu: done |
| 07:32.35 | wd | how do i purge or remove xdm without wiping out x window system again? lol |
| 07:32.36 | nixbox | xingu: how do i run the dhcpd now? |
| 07:32.46 | xingu | nixbox: bind it to the bridge interface |
| 07:33.04 | nixbox | xingu: ok, makes sense |
| 07:33.18 | ReKlip1 | xingu, can you walk me through the steps I need to do noW? |
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| 07:34.13 | nixbox | xingu: should i still be using the same dhcp pool as before, because the bridge has an internet IP address |
| 07:34.23 | xingu | nixbox: yep that's fine |
| 07:34.32 | wd | what's command to take xdm out of runlevel rc2? |
| 07:34.52 | streuner | wd: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 07:35.02 | xingu | nixbox: the next step is to ensure that the bridge is in fact learning mac addresses against the appropriate interfaces; brctl is the guy for that |
| 07:35.16 | wd | streuner: ty |
| 07:35.22 | streuner | wd: read man update-rc.d too |
| 07:35.27 | wd | streuner: ok |
| 07:35.34 | streuner | wd: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 07:35.36 | xingu | nixbox: then confirm that you can get a dhcp lease; then confirm you can ping the bridge ip address; then finally confirm you can ping the internet gateway lan address |
| 07:35.51 | wd | dpkg nodm |
| 07:35.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:35.55 | nixbox | xingu: before that, dhcpd is pitting out errors saying that the IP address of the bridge and DHCP pool addresses are not compatible |
| 07:36.49 | sterna | does anyone have experience with both xen and kvm for slicing up a server? |
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| 07:37.00 | xingu | nixbox: ok, so in that case dhcpd is telling you that the bridge address and the dhcp pool address do not sit in the same network - is the likely guess |
| 07:37.07 | xingu | nixbox: is that guess true? |
| 07:37.12 | nixbox | xingu: yes |
| 07:37.35 | wd | streuner: i tried to do dpkg --purge xdm but x window system is a depend. |
| 07:37.42 | xingu | nixbox: in that case a bridge topology is no good for you; you need to _route_ the dhcp pool _via_ what you currently have as a bridge address |
| 07:37.54 | wd | streuner: same with apt-get remove .. i can't remove the damn thing... |
| 07:38.03 | nixbox | xingu: ok so what should i do? |
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| 07:38.56 | nixbox | xingu: just having NAT would work? |
| 07:39.08 | xingu | nixbox: kill the bridge idea dead; go back to a routed topology - router-facing address is your current bridge address; burn an address from the pool for the workstation-facing lan address |
| 07:39.28 | xingu | nixbox: then run dhcp with the remaining addresses in a pool listening on the workstation-facing interface |
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| 07:43.36 | xingu | nixbox: it sounds like an odd topology; is the fixed address you have been assigned intended to be assigned to your internet-facing edge router, instead? |
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| 07:45.36 | xingu | ... roll on ubiquitous ip6 I say... |
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| 07:51.54 | ReKlip2 | xingu: sorry, reconfiguring AP. So, what do I need to do to get this to work? |
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| 07:57.03 | jim | some apps I have installed expect a /dev/cdrom |
| 07:57.19 | jim | how would I go about telling udev to make one every boot? |
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| 08:03.31 | valdyn | jim: udev makes this |
| 08:03.44 | valdyn | jim: unless you changed the cdrom drive 1+ times |
| 08:04.35 | valdyn | jim: in which case you can adjust /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
| 08:05.23 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me if there's a way to work around #418176 ? |
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| 08:17.36 | enouf | CDR_DEVICE=cdrom in /etc/default/cdrecord ? rgrep -i cdrom /etc |
| 08:19.39 | g00se | Meant to have wireless card driver installed ( http://pastebin.com/d4ca20395 ) but driver isn't loaded. Why? |
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| 08:21.56 | num_l0ck3d | hi guys |
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| 08:22.45 | num_l0ck3d | any idea when will lenny release ? |
| 08:22.57 | dutchfish | when it is ready |
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| 08:23.23 | num_l0ck3d | I mean is there any scheduled released date ? |
| 08:23.36 | dutchfish | nope, mot exactly |
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| 08:23.53 | dutchfish | s/mot/not |
| 08:23.58 | num_l0ck3d | hmm |
| 08:24.11 | num_l0ck3d | I just hope compiz fusion runs on it |
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| 08:24.30 | dutchfish | http://release.debian.org/ |
| 08:24.37 | num_l0ck3d | thanks dutchfish :) |
| 08:24.46 | dutchfish | compiz-fusion can be done in etch too |
| 08:24.47 | num_l0ck3d | I kinda dislike ubuntu ... |
| 08:24.55 | dutchfish | np problem with it |
| 08:25.19 | num_l0ck3d | actually I am having a compaq C772TU laptop with Intel GM 965 chipset |
| 08:25.23 | num_l0ck3d | etch supports it |
| 08:25.34 | num_l0ck3d | but only with 1024x768 resolution |
| 08:25.38 | num_l0ck3d | I tried xrandr |
| 08:25.48 | num_l0ck3d | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:25.50 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: you still can't get 1280x800 ? |
| 08:25.52 | num_l0ck3d | but without luck |
| 08:26.00 | num_l0ck3d | no enouf :( sadly I can't |
| 08:26.20 | num_l0ck3d | ubuntu supports it but uses a restricted driver |
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| 08:26.31 | Phil|ZZZzzz | which drivers are you using, num_l0ck3d? |
| 08:26.39 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, there is tool to adjust resolution on intel based cards if it doesnt recognize higher resolutions |
| 08:26.54 | num_l0ck3d | which one ? dutchfish |
| 08:27.00 | maligor | I didn't know intel had restricted drivers |
| 08:27.09 | num_l0ck3d | if its 915resolution then I have tried it too |
| 08:27.33 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: have you tried any #xorg channels? when i tried helping yesterday, and googled, it's almost like your weirdo 8086:2a20 pciid is like a screwball - though pccids.sf.net sure shows it |
| 08:27.45 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, 915resolution, if i am not mistaken it will work on 965 too, i did it on 945 at least |
| 08:27.54 | enouf | gah pciids.sf.net |
| 08:27.59 | num_l0ck3d | ty enouf |
| 08:28.00 | num_l0ck3d | :) |
| 08:28.13 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: that doesn't really help though :-( |
| 08:28.16 | num_l0ck3d | no dutchfish ..I have tried it too ... It said my BIOS is not supported |
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| 08:28.39 | num_l0ck3d | no problem enouf ...I have already started to download lenny :P |
| 08:28.43 | num_l0ck3d | 1st disk downloaded |
| 08:28.43 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: oh, and you did say it does work on ubuntu? |
| 08:29.07 | num_l0ck3d | yes enouf I am getting 1280x800 on ubuntu 7.10 |
| 08:29.13 | num_l0ck3d | but not on lenny |
| 08:29.21 | enouf | restricted intel driver? |
| 08:29.27 | num_l0ck3d | sorry etch** |
| 08:29.29 | enouf | wtf is the world coming to? |
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| 08:30.07 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: someone asked you which driver you're using - well? |
| 08:30.15 | num_l0ck3d | I installed gutsy yesterday and after a system boot up it popped a notification message stating that a restricted driver is running |
| 08:30.19 | peterrooney | enouf: canines and felines accomodating simultaneously. |
| 08:30.31 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, 965 should be supported, maybe wich version of 915resolution did you use? |
| 08:30.39 | enouf | cafas? |
| 08:31.00 | enouf | 915resolution isn't an xorg driver |
| 08:31.01 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, i used these: http://www.backports.org/backports.org/pool/main/9/915resolution/ |
| 08:31.05 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 08:31.10 | num_l0ck3d | dutchfish, 0.5.2-9 |
| 08:31.20 | buntfalke | hi |
| 08:31.22 | buntfalke | which pkg contains jpeglib.h |
| 08:31.30 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, try 0.5.3-1 |
| 08:31.30 | buntfalke | (pkg.deb.org is down) |
| 08:31.39 | dutchfish | buntfalke, yep |
| 08:31.49 | num_l0ck3d | alrighty dutchfish :) |
| 08:31.55 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: which xorg driver do you select in drxx? |
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| 08:32.03 | kevix | buntfalke: get 'apt-file' then update its index. |
| 08:32.09 | peterrooney | buntfalke: apt-get install apt-file helps with all such questions |
| 08:32.10 | num_l0ck3d | intel i810 |
| 08:32.30 | enouf | is there any other intel choices there? |
| 08:32.38 | num_l0ck3d | no enouf |
| 08:33.12 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, did you try i945 ? not sure if thats to one (i cant check right now) |
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| 08:33.53 | num_l0ck3d | I haven't tried it |
| 08:33.55 | enouf | gah - something stole all my ram .. darnnit |
| 08:34.13 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, but i can confirm it is working (after teaking) on i945 i945x |
| 08:34.14 | num_l0ck3d | ok hold on lemme see it I just hope it doesn't screw up my xserver again :P |
| 08:34.19 | enouf | ii xserver-xorg-video-i810 2:2.0.0-1 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d |
| 08:34.33 | enouf | ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.0.0-1 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d |
| 08:34.51 | enouf | ii xserver-xorg-video-intel-modesetting |
| 08:35.08 | enouf | ii xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
| 08:35.33 | enouf | well, the last 2 are actually 'un' but i wanted you to see those too |
| 08:35.41 | dutchfish | num_l0ck3d, i was wrong forget last line of me |
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| 08:36.05 | num_l0ck3d | no problem dutchfish |
| 08:36.16 | num_l0ck3d | I have reached the correct URL :) |
| 08:37.10 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel* | tail -n 2 |
| 08:37.12 | dutchfish | enouf, on 2.6.25.1 ? |
| 08:37.24 | enouf | dutchfish: 2.6.16 O_o |
| 08:37.47 | dutchfish | enouf, its solved in 2.6.25.3 not in 2.6.26-rcx yet |
| 08:37.58 | enouf | solved? what's wrong? |
| 08:38.02 | num_l0ck3d | just a sec |
| 08:38.12 | dutchfish | enouf, memspikes |
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| 08:38.33 | dutchfish | enouf, and a bug with unproper release |
| 08:38.53 | enouf | dutchfish: ahh .. my ram thing .. haha, no, it's just i was playing cds and my daily cron.daily had run recently |
| 08:39.12 | dutchfish | enouf, so commits in 2.6.25.1 -> 2.6.25.2 -> 2.6.25.3 in git |
| 08:39.22 | enouf | dutchfish: i only have minimal ram on this box anyway - no biggy,. just some lag i'm not used to |
| 08:39.28 | dutchfish | enouf, ag ok, i ran inot it so |
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| 08:39.41 | dutchfish | enouf, k |
| 08:39.43 | enouf | dutchfish: thanks fr the info - and good to know |
| 08:39.44 | buntfalke | kevix, peterrooney: thanks! i always used the website for these queries, good to know there's a tool :-) |
| 08:40.38 | dutchfish | enouf, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.25.y.git;a=log;h=v2.6.25.2 |
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| 08:41.31 | kevix | buntfalke: Debian has more tools than a swiss army knife ;-) |
| 08:41.45 | enouf | dutchfish: quite interesting, thanks for the heads up ;-) |
| 08:41.48 | jim | valdyn still here? |
| 08:41.56 | valdyn | jim: off and on |
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| 08:42.13 | jim | so about changing the cdrom... you mean swapping out the drive? |
| 08:42.24 | enouf | dutchfish: but as you can see, i run mostly older kernels, but i do build newer ones, just to test and keep my chops sharp ;-) |
| 08:42.25 | andykelley | why are the nvidia drivers gone from lenny? |
| 08:42.40 | valdyn | jim: unique devices get unique links like cdrom cdrom1 cdrom2 etc |
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| 08:42.52 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, me too ;) |
| 08:42.59 | valdyn | jim: swapping hat what is cdrom for a new disk drive gives cdrom1 instead |
| 08:43.05 | valdyn | jim: swapping what is cdrom for a new disk drive gives cdrom1 instead |
| 08:43.17 | enouf | jim: wtf? you have no /dev/cdrom ? |
| 08:43.17 | valdyn | jim: just like it is with nics |
| 08:43.19 | enouf | ~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 08:43.20 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008-01-21 16:36 /dev/cdrom -> hdb |
| 08:43.21 | buntfalke | kevix: is the 'apt-file update' process faster the the following times? |
| 08:43.42 | enouf | ls -l /dev/disk/by-* ;-) |
| 08:43.46 | dutchfish | buntfalke, not really |
| 08:43.49 | valdyn | jim: and in fact if your same hardware once was hd* and now is sd*, then the same thing applies |
| 08:44.02 | valdyn | jim: just edit the file i told you i guess |
| 08:44.04 | buntfalke | weeell, okay - who cares |
| 08:44.06 | buntfalke | :-) |
| 08:44.06 | enouf | jim: is udevd running? |
| 08:44.10 | kevix | buntfalke: I dont know. I only think it needs updating every few months to stay current. |
| 08:44.11 | jim | enouf yeah, no cdrom |
| 08:44.18 | jim | umm one sec let me check |
| 08:44.20 | DawnLight | how can i solve 418176 while staying stable? can i request that this be fixed in etch? |
| 08:44.21 | valdyn | jim: ls /dev/cdrom* |
| 08:44.38 | valdyn | DawnLight: no |
| 08:44.45 | buntfalke | kevix: ah, cool |
| 08:44.50 | valdyn | DawnLight: not immediately, only at the next rX release |
| 08:45.02 | DawnLight | valdyn: where can i request this |
| 08:45.07 | jim | hmm, wait, yes I have a cdrom and a cdrom1 |
| 08:45.11 | jim | let me check them |
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| 08:45.36 | DawnLight | this is one serious issue. i don't know why there's little noise about this |
| 08:45.55 | kevix | !dpkg #418176 |
| 08:45.57 | jim | one points at hdc, the other points at /dev/hdc |
| 08:46.17 | enouf | !dbugs 418176 |
| 08:46.20 | dpkg | DONE:#418176:N[hal] ntfs mount fails with "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:45:01 UTC |
| 08:46.46 | jim | DawnLight: hopefully if there were a workaround someone would add it to the bug report |
| 08:46.50 | enouf | jim: haha - do udevinfo -q all -n /dev/cdrom on each |
| 08:46.51 | dutchfish | DawnLight, did you try switch off hall autodetect (use powertop for conviniance) ? |
| 08:46.54 | kevix | enouf: thanks. havent used the bot in a while. |
| 08:47.11 | dutchfish | DawnLight, at least it solved this is issue on my machine |
| 08:47.17 | enouf | jim: and pastbin that along with ls -l /dev/disk/by-path output |
| 08:47.24 | enouf | er .. |
| 08:47.31 | DawnLight | dutchfish: can you elaborate |
| 08:47.43 | DawnLight | what is autodetect? |
| 08:48.26 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.27 | dutchfish | DawnLight, if you run powertop it will inform you to switch off cdrom autodetect in hall, this circumvent this bug 418176, it works at my machine, you have to mount manually so |
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| 08:48.49 | DocMAX | hello can anybody help me? |
| 08:49.05 | andykelley | DocMAX: just ask |
| 08:49.06 | dutchfish | DawnLight, using kernel 2.6.25.3 and 2.6.24.4 |
| 08:49.17 | enouf | jim: also - check ~$ cat /etc/blkid.tab for stale entries, mv that file out of the way |
| 08:49.21 | kevix | DocMAX: I only have a few dollars, do you need more? |
| 08:49.28 | enouf | jim: my bad, use /dev/hdc |
| 08:49.33 | DocMAX | my problem is special |
| 08:49.52 | DocMAX | first of all i have a NSLU2 with Debian 4.0 |
| 08:49.55 | kevix | DocMAX: isn't that special (queue dana carvey voice) |
| 08:50.04 | andykelley | why are the nvidia drivers gone from lenny? |
| 08:50.09 | DocMAX | and i have debian on my laptop with gnome |
| 08:50.21 | ReKlip2 | anyone know why dnsmasq would give the following daemon log msgs: DHCP, IP range 10.0.0.100 -- 10.0.0.150, lease time 12h --- no address range available for DHCP request via eth0 ? |
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| 08:50.25 | kevix | DocMAX: sounds fine to me. |
| 08:50.37 | enouf | wait, i used -p by accident, so using '-n /dev/cdrom' and many others produces mucho output |
| 08:50.55 | DocMAX | everytime i plug my extermal hard drive to my nslu2, i want an icon to appear on my desktop on the laptop |
| 08:51.21 | DocMAX | and when i plug them off i want the icon to disappear |
| 08:51.34 | DocMAX | i read about autofs and ivman |
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| 08:51.46 | DocMAX | but i need a step by step howto |
| 08:52.19 | dutchfish | DawnLight, hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options is a stupid solution, it eats many many cycles anyway |
| 08:52.25 | enouf | i apologize, i'm just likely confusing you worse - let me pastebin my output P=PATH, N=NAME, S=Symlink, E=Environment |
| 08:52.38 | DocMAX | there seems to be an automounter in gnome already buildin |
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| 08:52.48 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1014569 and Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1014576 |
| 08:52.58 | kevix | DocMAX: would that be gnome-volume-manager |
| 08:53.05 | jim | enouf those for me? |
| 08:53.07 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i want to stay stable. in unstable this has been fixed with a later release of hal. jim : if i find a workaround i will post it. |
| 08:53.10 | enouf | jim: yessir |
| 08:53.21 | dutchfish | DawnLight, this should work from 2.6.22 and up |
| 08:53.29 | DocMAX | yes, but how to i configure it to automount smb shares when they are available? |
| 08:53.30 | dutchfish | DawnLight, bpo |
| 08:53.33 | jim | DawnLight: thankyou |
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| 08:53.51 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i always run etch nothing else |
| 08:54.03 | dutchfish | DawnLight, but with custom kernel and bpo |
| 08:54.42 | DawnLight | dutchfish: the bpo 2.6.22 should help me solve this somehow? |
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| 08:54.54 | jim | enouf: those are both udevinfo outputs? did you want me to run that again with different params? |
| 08:55.03 | DocMAX | any ideas? |
| 08:55.09 | dutchfish | DawnLight, then use powertop to lift the auto-detect in hal, e voila |
| 08:55.18 | jim | !any ideas |
| 08:55.18 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 08:55.19 | DawnLight | dutchfish: will try |
| 08:55.26 | dutchfish | DawnLight, good luck |
| 08:55.45 | DocMAX | is there anyone who can help me with the problem? |
| 08:56.12 | jim | sorry couldn't resist :) |
| 08:56.16 | enouf | jim: hopefully, those pastes along with the other crap i said earlier will help you track it down |
| 08:56.45 | dutchfish | DawnLight, if you want to expririment use 2.6.25.3 and with legacytop you can exactly see whats going on |
| 08:56.47 | DocMAX | again: smb shares should automaticly appear on gnome-desktop if they are available |
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| 08:57.09 | jim | would there be a way to have it forget about the cdrom devices and redetect the one I have? |
| 08:57.25 | enouf | jim: you could run idevtrigger |
| 08:57.27 | enouf | er |
| 08:57.30 | enouf | jim: you could run udevtrigger |
| 08:57.41 | enouf | or even cd /dev ; sh ./MAKEDEV |
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| 08:58.02 | enouf | but like valdyn said, check your udev cd .rules |
| 08:58.03 | jim | that wouldhnj't be permanent until the next boot would it? |
| 08:58.17 | jim | permanent across boots that is |
| 08:58.27 | enouf | it's never permanent ;-) |
| 08:58.33 | enouf | oh |
| 08:58.37 | enouf | persistent ;-) |
| 08:58.42 | jim | well yes |
| 08:58.43 | dutchfish | persistant rules |
| 08:58.49 | enouf | ding ding |
| 08:59.07 | jim | the witch is dead? |
| 08:59.16 | dutchfish | witch? |
| 08:59.18 | jim | oh, sorry that would have been ding dong |
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| 08:59.28 | enouf | right, a missing dong there |
| 08:59.28 | markybob | good play. finally got to see it |
| 08:59.43 | jim | as a play? |
| 08:59.46 | ReKlip2 | anyone here use dnsmasq |
| 08:59.50 | markybob | yeah. wicked |
| 09:00.01 | markybob | it's been playing in broadway, chicago and LA |
| 09:00.03 | dutchfish | !tell ReKlip2 about ask |
| 09:00.05 | m_g | hi guys, i'm pissed. i just did a fresh etch installation, dist-upgraded it which upgraded kernel to 2.6.18-6, rebooted, all fine. then dist-upgraded to 'testing' which upgraded kernel to 2.6.24-1, rebooted, doesn't boot anymore. all links are correct (vmlinuz, initrd.img), so i don't know what's the reason. then i switched back the two links to point to the 2.6.18's initrd/vmlinuz, still doesn't boot. i'm lost, anybody an idea? |
| 09:00.19 | DocMAX | i want smb shares automaticly appear on gnome-desktop as drive icon if they are available - how can i do this? |
| 09:00.23 | jim | pissed off or pissed on? |
| 09:00.33 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: I can't get dnsmasq to provide DHCP over my eth0 interface. |
| 09:00.50 | markybob | doesnt boot should link to doesnt work |
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| 09:01.05 | m_g | lol |
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| 09:01.13 | jim | m_g: well etch is the stable version... other than that all bets are off... |
| 09:01.26 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, did you follow this: http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq ? |
| 09:01.35 | jim | but also the kernels have associated initrds |
| 09:01.40 | m_g | jim, well i'd be fine using etch now, but i'm afraid of it being outdated in a few years and having to reinstall |
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| 09:01.49 | m_g | with testing i can always upgrade |
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| 09:02.07 | jim | and beyond that, it's better to put the full path to those things in the boot stanzas rather than make symlinks |
| 09:02.16 | jim | much more solider that way |
| 09:02.19 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: indeed I did |
| 09:02.32 | m_g | ok let me try that, gotta boot the rescue system |
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| 09:02.47 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, because dhcp is turned off by default, after that you have to restart dnsmasq |
| 09:02.54 | jim | are you using two machines? |
| 09:02.57 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: dnsmasq would give the following daemon log msgs: DHCP, IP range 10.0.0.100 -- 10.0.0.150, lease time 12h --- no address range available for DHCP request via eth0 |
| 09:02.59 | jim | one to talk here on? |
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| 09:03.09 | m_g | yep |
| 09:03.18 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: I've got a dhcp-range line, and have restarted dnsmasq |
| 09:03.21 | jim | that;s helpful |
| 09:03.31 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, what mask in eth0? |
| 09:03.32 | ReKlip2 | do i need to tell eth0 to get an ip via dhcp? |
| 09:03.39 | ReKlip2 | default mask |
| 09:03.54 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, b-class? |
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| 09:04.17 | jim | ReKlip2: you'd do that in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:04.20 | m_g | it's really strange, either i seem to be a very unlucky person or debian's kernel upgrade mechanism is not very stable, to put it mildly. i think the upgrade breaks in at least half the cases on a totally normal machine |
| 09:04.25 | m_g | with no raid or whatever |
| 09:04.27 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: 255.255.255.0 |
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| 09:04.41 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: err, whatever default is, ill change it to 255.255.255.0 |
| 09:04.42 | kevix | DocMAX: see if this has any info: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
| 09:04.54 | Natilous | Hi , anyone can help me to find a refrence for KERNEL MODULES ? |
| 09:05.00 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, try 255.255.0.0 if i am not mistaken |
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| 09:05.24 | Natilous | Hi , anyone can help me to find a refrence for KERNEL MODULES ? |
| 09:05.29 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, or use a c-class 192.168.x.x |
| 09:05.29 | jim | hey did you hear that guy say kernel modules? kinda loud... |
| 09:05.58 | Bushmills | yeah. thunder. almost knocked down my house |
| 09:05.59 | kevix | Natilous: maybe if you give us a hint we can suggest one you may need? |
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| 09:06.06 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, then 255.255.255.0 wil be apropriate |
| 09:06.17 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: I'm using c class 10.0.0.x |
| 09:06.22 | ReKlip2 | for iprange |
| 09:06.24 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 09:06.28 | ReKlip2 | and 255.255.255.0 for mask |
| 09:06.40 | jim | these days it's classless routing... |
| 09:06.47 | markybob | kernel who? |
| 09:06.51 | kevix | Bushmills: it all depends upon your TZ |
| 09:06.55 | jim | klink! |
| 09:06.57 | Natilous | kevix: I want to write a DOCUMENT about KERNEL MODULES |
| 09:07.09 | markybob | Natilous go google and leave us alone |
| 09:07.21 | Bushmills | ReKlip2: 255.0.0.0 would be netmask for rfc1918 10. net |
| 09:07.34 | kevix | Natilous: I suppouse kernel.org seems like a place to go. and maybe the lions guide. |
| 09:07.51 | DocMAX | kevix, link is not working |
| 09:07.51 | dutchfish | yes, its a class 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 |
| 09:07.57 | Bushmills | so doesn't really matter /8 to /32 all unroutable |
| 09:08.05 | kevix | yea. I dont know whats up. hmm.. |
| 09:08.09 | Bushmills | hmm. /30 |
| 09:08.26 | Bushmills | kevix: it doesn't |
| 09:08.33 | Bushmills | morning is when morning feels |
| 09:08.33 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: does the device that is on the nat need to be assigned an addy? |
| 09:08.35 | jim | knows what's up is higher than I am |
| 09:08.38 | m_g | jim, http://rafb.net/p/QSZ5nh31.html do you think it might work if i just replace it with the absolute path or do you have another idea to try? |
| 09:08.47 | enouf | m_g: release notes can be important ;-) |
| 09:09.02 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, addy? |
| 09:09.03 | enouf | m_g: /msg dpkg etch->lenny as the /topic says |
| 09:09.11 | markybob | jim that comment made me wish i was high |
| 09:09.18 | Natilous | kevix: example I want to know what is the Module "snd_page_alloc" in kernel !!! |
| 09:09.21 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: address |
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| 09:09.50 | kevix | Natilous: sounds like kernel symbols |
| 09:09.53 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, you mean your default gateway? |
| 09:09.54 | m_g | enouf, hm but dpkg didnt report any errors on ramdisk creation etc., so it looked all fine |
| 09:09.59 | enouf | m_g: what did you change and where? running dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION on each kernel might help |
| 09:10.04 | jim | m_g: when you boot do you get the grub prompt? |
| 09:10.19 | ReKlip2 | the interface that is on the internal network |
| 09:10.21 | Natilous | kevix: I know it but complete |
| 09:10.32 | markybob | Natilous then googe it |
| 09:10.40 | m_g | enouf, i now just changed the initrd.img/vmlinuz to point to .18 instead of .24 and rebooted |
| 09:10.41 | jim | m_g does it look like /boot is full |
| 09:10.42 | DawnLight | dutchfish: what exactly did you do with powertop? |
| 09:10.48 | Bushmills | marvin doesn't know what's up because he hasn't been there |
| 09:10.50 | Natilous | markybob: OK !!! thank you |
| 09:10.53 | enouf | m_g: the /etc/kernel-img.conf file should have the upgrade behaviour defaults - is /usr/sbin/grub listed there for post_install|remove ? |
| 09:10.56 | m_g | jim, i don't know, i don't have physical access unfortunately |
| 09:11.02 | Natilous | kevix: thank you too... |
| 09:11.20 | m_g | jim, i can create a file so i think it isn't full |
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| 09:11.28 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: basically, the daemon.log is telling me that dnsmasq is receiving dhcp requests on eth0, but it's saying there is no address range available for eth0 to hand out |
| 09:11.32 | dutchfish | DawnLight, switch off autodetect for cdrom in hal, it gives this after a few seconds as an improvement for powerusage |
| 09:11.33 | jim | ok, at least there are inodes |
| 09:11.45 | DocMAX | i want smb shares automaticly appear on gnome-desktop as drive icon if they are available - how can i do this? |
| 09:11.48 | kuber | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-8Sm6IvwgA |
| 09:11.53 | m_g | enouf, postinst_hook = update-grub that? |
| 09:11.58 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, then this is not bound to eth0 |
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| 09:12.23 | enouf | m_g: aye, postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 09:12.23 | DawnLight | dutchfish: why should this workaround the ntfs refuse uid bug? |
| 09:12.36 | jim | you should probably get rid of those symlinks and run update-grub |
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| 09:13.05 | ReKlip2 | dutchfish: should i share my dnsmasq.conf? |
| 09:13.06 | Bushmills | DocMAX: doesn't gnome have config settings, allowing you to specify what kinds of icons should appear on the desktop? like "show mounted net shares" |
| 09:13.08 | dutchfish | DawnLight, because hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options is part of the same daemon wich powertop will stop |
| 09:13.33 | m_g | jim, enouf: ok problem with update-grub is that this is a rescue system and i have just mounted the /boot and / partition, so i don't know if it will behave correctly. should i chroot to / and mount /boot at /boot and run update-grub? |
| 09:13.40 | enouf | m_g: i know the binary has been moved for lenny (i forget exactly now - view the README.Debian for update-grub or grub) .. one sec, lemmee check my changelogs |
| 09:13.46 | enouf | m_g: sure |
| 09:13.49 | Bushmills | could the that i confuse that with kde but those two are a bit similar in terms of desktop config options |
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| 09:13.53 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, no |
| 09:13.54 | enouf | m_g: or even reinstall it |
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| 09:14.15 | dutchfish | ReKlip2, check /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 |
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| 09:14.34 | ReKlip2 | auto eth0 --- iface eth0 inet manual |
| 09:14.48 | DawnLight | dutchfish: hal tells me "Suggestion: Disable 'hal' from polling your cdrom with: hal-disable-polling --device /dev/cdrom 'hal' is the component that auto-opens a window if you plug in a CD but disables SATA power saving from kicking in." |
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| 09:15.34 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yup |
| 09:15.55 | DawnLight | but i've no hal-disable-polling command |
| 09:15.59 | m_g | weird |
| 09:16.19 | m_g | enouf, jim: this is that update-grub changed my menu.lst to: http://rafb.net/p/k9lEVd26.html |
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| 09:16.32 | DocMAX | bushmills: i cant find any config |
| 09:16.43 | DocMAX | i want smb shares automaticly appear on gnome-desktop as drive icon if they are available - how can i do this? |
| 09:16.45 | m_g | basically what i had before the kernel upgrade |
| 09:16.48 | m_g | just without the double // |
| 09:16.50 | enouf | m_g: zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 09:17.00 | DawnLight | dutchfish: but i've no hal-disable-polling command. is this not a command? |
| 09:17.16 | Bushmills | DawnLight: do you have hal installed at all? that's where it is in |
| 09:17.57 | Bushmills | DawnLight: what does dpkg -l hal show? |
| 09:18.07 | enouf | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 root=/dev/hda3 ro acpi=force lapic vga=791 |
| 09:18.08 | dutchfish | DawnLight, confirm it in powertop, wich will disable it, (hal-disable-polling) so the daemon no longer get confused on hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options |
| 09:18.10 | m_g | enouf, the 4 steps seem to be fine |
| 09:18.26 | ReKlip2 | dutch, I put auto eth0 --- iface eth0 inet manual in interfaces |
| 09:18.37 | DawnLight | dutchfish: ght(+ei)] [2:#debian(+JLPcflnt 10,3 #debian-o [Act: 4] |
| 09:18.46 | DawnLight | sorry |
| 09:18.50 | dutchfish | DawnLight, powertop will also show wich command to do this |
| 09:18.53 | m_g | oh wait |
| 09:18.55 | DawnLight | ii hal 0.5.8.1-9 Hardware Abstraction Layer |
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| 09:19.04 | enouf | m_g: prepend /boot to your /vmlinuz and give it a version |
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| 09:19.08 | dutchfish | DawnLight, thats weird one |
| 09:19.10 | jim | I still say you should get rid of the symlink |
| 09:19.11 | jim | s |
| 09:19.12 | Bushmills | DawnLight: and file /usr/bin/hal-disable-polling ? |
| 09:19.28 | m_g | enouf, i just noticed that it says root=/dev/hda3, while my /boot is hda1 |
| 09:19.38 | enouf | m_g: where? |
| 09:19.38 | DawnLight | Bushmills: no such file |
| 09:19.47 | m_g | in the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 09:19.48 | enouf | oh yeah - well |
| 09:19.59 | m_g | change it to hda1 or prepend /boot? |
| 09:20.02 | enouf | m_g: also note what #kopt= and #grott= say |
| 09:20.09 | enouf | er #groot= |
| 09:20.10 | DocMAX | generally, how can is setup debian to automount msb drives? |
| 09:20.21 | DawnLight | dutchfish: what does it mean to confirm it in powertop |
| 09:20.26 | Bushmills | then it either has been added after 0.5.8.1-9 (it is in 0.5.11-1), or it gone missing on your box |
| 09:20.34 | jim | your root is not your boot :) |
| 09:20.44 | enouf | m_g: do NOT remove the single # from those lines, if and when you edit them |
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| 09:20.45 | m_g | kopt=root=/dev/hda3 # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 09:20.51 | enouf | heh |
| 09:20.51 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you will disable it then (in hal) but not persistent (it will be lost on next boot) |
| 09:20.54 | enouf | change that |
| 09:21.04 | DawnLight | Bushmills: hal 0.5.11-1 solves this bug. i wish i had that version |
| 09:21.25 | dutchfish | DawnLight, and this worked for me |
| 09:21.33 | m_g | enouf, to hda1? |
| 09:21.35 | Bushmills | ic |
| 09:21.41 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i don't have this command. do you have 0.5.8.1-9 ? |
| 09:21.56 | m_g | jim, oh the root is the / then? |
| 09:21.59 | m_g | i see |
| 09:21.59 | enouf | m_g: sure, wherever you kernel and initrd reside |
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| 09:22.17 | dutchfish | DawnLight, what package exactly? |
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| 09:22.23 | DawnLight | dutchfish: hal |
| 09:22.24 | m_g | enouf, ok so kopt=root=/dev/hda1 & upgrade-grub? |
| 09:22.30 | jim | yes that's right, root= your / partition |
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| 09:22.34 | anoHito | can i ask a apache question please |
| 09:22.42 | jim | you just did |
| 09:22.44 | enouf | m_g: is /boot hda1? |
| 09:22.44 | anoHito | KeepAliveTimeout, anyone ? |
| 09:22.48 | dutchfish | DawnLight, ii hal 0.5.8.1-9 |
| 09:22.52 | m_g | boot is hda1, / is hda3 |
| 09:23.07 | DawnLight | dutchfish: and you have hal-disable-polling? |
| 09:23.11 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yup |
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| 09:23.23 | dutchfish | DawnLight, runing on 2.6.24.4 or 2.6.25.3 |
| 09:23.25 | enouf | ok, you want kopt=root=/dev/hda1 and groot=(hd0,0) |
| 09:23.26 | kevix | anoHito: I dont speak apache. some spanish though. |
| 09:23.34 | enouf | and run update-grub |
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| 09:23.39 | dutchfish | DawnLight, but 2.6.23 had this also |
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| 09:23.52 | DawnLight | dutchfish: could i not have this command because i'm running 2.6.22 ? |
| 09:23.56 | ReKlipz | dutchfish: turns out all I needed was to setup a static address on eth0 that was on the same subnet... |
| 09:24.05 | dutchfish | ReKlipz, chears |
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| 09:24.16 | kevix | anoHito: have you read any of the documentation in /usr/share/... |
| 09:24.16 | enouf | wait a cotton-pickin minute |
| 09:24.17 | m_g | enouf, ok, done. just one thing before i try rebooting: update-grub everywhere put // instead of /, should i fix that or is it ok? |
| 09:24.19 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i doubt that |
| 09:24.25 | DawnLight | dutchfish: me too |
| 09:24.29 | dutchfish | DawnLight, but i cant check atm |
| 09:24.49 | dutchfish | DawnLight, give me a minute, get my lappy to check it ... |
| 09:24.51 | anoHito | kevix, hi |
| 09:24.55 | ReKlipz | ... I was just about to ask a windows question in here |
| 09:25.15 | DawnLight | dutchfish: apt-cache search hal-disable-polling doesn't return anything |
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| 09:25.38 | anoHito | I need person who speaks native english to help me understand a defination |
| 09:25.44 | ReKlipz | anyone know of an easy way to tell windows to prefer one iface over another? |
| 09:25.44 | anoHito | The number of seconds Apache will wait for a subsequent request before closing the connection. Once a request has been received, the timeout value specified by the Timeout directive applies. |
| 09:26.02 | jim | if you're going to ask a window question, I'm going to ask a gardening question! |
| 09:26.07 | kevix | anoHito: ask here. someone can help here. |
| 09:26.21 | Bushmills | DawnLight: i just added hal to my debootstrap etch, 0.5.8.1-9, and there is no /usr/bin/hal-disable-polling |
| 09:26.26 | enouf | m_g: root=/dev/hdXX on your Kernel line is where your / FS is at - but the /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 <--part for you shoud say similar |
| 09:26.27 | dutchfish | DawnLight, thats right, but it works from out powertop, we just need to get to correct phrase to do this in the kernel, it might be sysctl |
| 09:26.39 | anoHito | what does that sentence mean ? the timeout == from a http requesting to when its established ? or ,from a http requesting to when the whole page is loaded completely ? |
| 09:27.01 | m_g | enouf, oh wait, so kopt=/dev/hda1 is wrong, right? instead it should say hda3 and a /boot be prepended? |
| 09:27.15 | enouf | m_g: you want to use /boot/vmlinuz-version like i've shown twice now - check your /etc/fstab setings too now |
| 09:27.43 | enouf | m_g: yes, #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 for you was correct |
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| 09:28.18 | enouf | m_g: might as well make it |
| 09:28.27 | enouf | m_g: yes, #kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro console=tty0 console=ttyS0,57600 |
| 09:28.30 | m_g | enouf, ok, so 1) change back to kopt=/dev/hda3 2) prepend /boot to vmlinuz and initrd 3) remove double slahes 4) reboot? |
| 09:28.44 | m_g | 1b) run update-rgub |
| 09:28.44 | enouf | m_g: sounds good |
| 09:28.50 | DawnLight | dutchfish: this is a kernel thing? |
| 09:28.51 | enouf | better |
| 09:28.52 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i can confirm it works on my laptop with 2.6.22 |
| 09:28.59 | dutchfish | DawnLight, hal |
| 09:29.02 | m_g | let me try :-) |
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| 09:29.08 | enouf | m_g: one sec |
| 09:29.09 | DawnLight | dutchfish: what works. how do you do it |
| 09:29.19 | enouf | !tell m_g about rescue |
| 09:29.23 | dutchfish | DawnLight, run powertop and shut it down |
| 09:29.30 | enouf | m_g: ok, go ahead |
| 09:29.36 | DawnLight | dutchfish: shut down what |
| 09:29.41 | enouf | i forgot you're on anotjer machine here |
| 09:29.49 | kevix | anoHito: a request can be made from a client many times a second. It is then recieved and then processed. |
| 09:30.05 | dutchfish | DawnLight, hal-disbale-polling /dev/scd0 |
| 09:30.27 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i dont know the phrase with sysctl |
| 09:30.36 | anoHito | hi kevix ,do you speak english natively ? |
| 09:31.21 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i merely discovered this by accident, when i ran into to same problem as you |
| 09:31.43 | DawnLight | i should run powertop and press q? |
| 09:31.48 | m_g | enouf, ok rebooting, hope it works |
| 09:32.11 | dutchfish | DawnLight, K when the right option appears |
| 09:32.11 | enouf | ok |
| 09:32.28 | anoHito | kevix, you confused me |
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| 09:32.36 | anoHito | The number of seconds Apache will wait for a subsequent request before closing the connection. Once a request has been received, the timeout value specified by the Timeout directive applies. |
| 09:32.48 | anoHito | I dont get it. |
| 09:33.15 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i did it. it supposedly killed something and now this message doesn't appear anymore but i still can't mount the removable ntfs from kde |
| 09:33.33 | dutchfish | DawnLight, a sec please, checking something out to get mor einfo |
| 09:33.34 | anoHito | so the timeout stands for http requesting--->established,from then on, it starts to count ? |
| 09:33.48 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yes |
| 09:34.01 | anoHito | orveldv, httpd requesting-->established--->the whole page is loaded compltely ,from then on, it starts to count ? |
| 09:34.02 | enouf | Q does anyone else get these type of error from sysctl -a output http://rafb.net/p/kKq4iH25.html ? using sysctl -a 2>/dev/null does suppress them though |
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| 09:34.16 | anoHito | i personally think it should be the first one ? |
| 09:34.19 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you should now be able to mount manually (ntfs-3g) |
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| 09:34.35 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i never had trouble mounting manually |
| 09:35.33 | dutchfish | DawnLight, Upon hotplug of usb flash with ntfs partition on KDE, the automatic mount fails with error message "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000". right? |
| 09:35.57 | DawnLight | dutchfish: except it is not a flash, but a HDD |
| 09:35.59 | kevix | anoHito: a quick question: do you read japanese? |
| 09:36.12 | dutchfish | DawnLight, the same goes for that |
| 09:36.19 | DawnLight | dutchfish: and... "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" |
| 09:36.32 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yup |
| 09:36.48 | DawnLight | so is that solved for you? |
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| 09:37.00 | DawnLight | dutchfish: so is that solved for you? |
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| 09:37.10 | akatsuki | can someone recommend me a fast web browser for gnome? |
| 09:37.15 | akatsuki | im sick of mozilla |
| 09:37.16 | akatsuki | mediocre speed |
| 09:37.18 | dutchfish | DawnLight, through what i discribed i can manually mount it or auto option in fstab |
| 09:37.46 | kevix | akatsuki: links2, dillo, w3m, kazakhaze, chimera2 |
| 09:37.47 | Bushmills | akatsuki: links2 -g |
| 09:37.53 | m_g | enouf, no luck, doesn't seem to come back :( |
| 09:37.56 | dutchfish | DawnLight, not when the hall-daemon-polling is running |
| 09:38.16 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i have no explanation for that, it just works |
| 09:38.18 | akatsuki | kevix which you prefer of does 5? |
| 09:38.23 | DawnLight | dutchfish: ok. thanks. i'll keep looking for a solution/workaround |
| 09:38.28 | Bushmills | akatsuki: epiphany |
| 09:38.43 | dutchfish | DawnLight, hold on a sec, trying the check more info |
| 09:38.49 | enouf | welp folks, ~$ alias sysctl='sysctl 2>/dev/null' takes care of that ;-) |
| 09:38.53 | enouf | m_g: ok |
| 09:38.57 | enouf | m_g: update me |
| 09:39.00 | kevix | akatsuki: it depends on my needs at the moment and whats installed. |
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| 09:39.15 | dutchfish | DawnLight, runnning my kernel in debug mode atm, see if that reveals more |
| 09:39.24 | akatsuki | well which one you feel is faster? |
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| 09:39.36 | Bushmills | links2 probably |
| 09:39.44 | m_g | enouf, btw i just remembered that before the kernel upgrade it also was root=hda3 and no /boot prepended, but it worked. should i try without /boot and with absolute paths then? |
| 09:39.58 | kevix | akatsuki: w3m or links2 as they are non-gui |
| 09:40.16 | enouf | m_g: that's likely b/c of your symlinks in / |
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| 09:40.37 | m_g | enouf, also noteworthy.. there are no links in my / |
| 09:40.47 | m_g | only in /boot |
| 09:41.08 | dutchfish | DawnLight, apropos the same daemon also messes up cdrom burning, i wil file a bug later about that |
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| 09:41.20 | enouf | "ls -al /" |
| 09:41.20 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1014601 |
| 09:42.16 | m_g | enouf, ok so i will try to remove /boot and do symlinks in / instead? |
| 09:42.27 | m_g | /bot in menu.lst i mean |
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| 09:43.31 | enouf | m_g: well, with /boot prepended, it should work fine - note the 'do symlink ' options in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 09:43.47 | kevix | akatsuki: supposedly iceweasel 3 is supposed to use less memory then iceweasel 2 |
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| 09:44.00 | m_g | enouf, it's set to yes, but the symlinks are done in /boot not / |
| 09:44.09 | akatsuki | thx |
| 09:44.21 | enouf | m_g: i would consider reinstalling grub into (hd0) /dev/hda |
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| 09:44.51 | dutchfish | DawnLight, its not kernel, its userland, it is hald-addon-storage: [your deice] that just need to be killed, thats it (ps auxww | grep hald-addon-storage) |
| 09:44.59 | kevix | akatsuki: although I'm using iceweasle 2 on my XO. |
| 09:45.28 | dutchfish | s/deice/device |
| 09:45.59 | enouf | m_g: whatever - i haven't used a separate /boot partition in a while now, and forget, so just play with it, you'll get it |
| 09:46.11 | akatsuki | one question |
| 09:46.17 | akatsuki | anyeone know if |
| 09:46.27 | akatsuki | the asus eee us using debian? |
| 09:46.33 | akatsuki | its* |
| 09:46.45 | m_g | enouf, ok i'll update you, thanks much for the help so far :) |
| 09:46.50 | enouf | m_g: plus i'm busy here - and getting highly distracted - plus i'm hungover a bit ;-) |
| 09:46.56 | enouf | m_g: ok, great ;-) |
| 09:46.57 | m_g | heh |
| 09:46.57 | kevix | akatsuki: its using a debian-derivitive |
| 09:47.25 | akatsuki | really? cool |
| 09:47.26 | kevix | akatsuki: if you search on wiki.debian.org there is an eeepc debian distro/project |
| 09:47.31 | akatsuki | whast the name of the distro |
| 09:47.35 | akatsuki | thanks |
| 09:47.36 | dutchfish | DawnLight, then seomthing like this in fstab will do the trick i suppose /dev/sdb1 /media/win ntfs umask=000,user,auto,ro 0 0 |
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| 09:49.05 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i want users to be able to mount using kde, any usb ntfs filesystem. and without typing stuff |
| 09:49.16 | kevix | akatsuki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 09:49.20 | DawnLight | dutchfish: this isn't for me, you see |
| 09:49.22 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yup |
| 09:49.31 | dutchfish | DawnLight, oh? |
| 09:49.41 | Bushmills | DawnLight: considered to use autofs? |
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| 09:50.53 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i've right clicked on the ntfs filesystem icon, properties, mouting, and deselected mount as user. now it mounts but it doesn't give users permissions to it |
| 09:51.01 | DawnLight | Bushmills: autofs? i'll check |
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| 09:51.46 | mib_9rsucgbd | Hello everyone! I am using kernel 2.6.22-3-486 on lenny now. How can I install kernel 2.6.24 using APT? |
| 09:51.49 | pngwn | akatsuki, try #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:51.49 | Bushmills | DawnLight: mounts a file system (or net export/share) automatically when accessed |
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| 09:52.06 | SolidSlash | is anyone successfully using Sonata on debian sid? |
| 09:52.46 | DawnLight | Bushmills: but it uses a series of maps... so does every filesystem need to be preconfigured or is it possible to plug in any usb hdd and it will mount it with user permissions? |
| 09:52.46 | kevix | DocMAX: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs?highlight=%28autofs%29 |
| 09:53.23 | Bushmills | DawnLight: not for net exports/shares. but that's true for disk partition - you'd add those you want to automount to a config file |
| 09:53.51 | kevix | DawnLight: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
| 09:54.07 | Bladerunner05 | Hello in a development server I need to apply restriction to the "non root" user avoid using of tar, gzip, zip, copio, scp ...... exist a package for this ? |
| 09:54.36 | dutchfish | !jail |
| 09:54.37 | dpkg | jail is probably only in bsd. see <vserver> |
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| 09:55.34 | dutchfish | !info rssh etch |
| 09:56.00 | kevix | Bladerunner05: seems like an odd thing to restrict on a dev server. so many things use tar and gzip on unix systems. |
| 09:56.00 | dpkg | rssh: (Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, cvs, rsync and/or rdist), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 09:56.03 | dutchfish | but jail is in one of the repos too |
| 09:56.15 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 09:56.27 | Bladerunner05 | Sure but I need to protect my data from copy..... |
| 09:56.31 | dutchfish | !info jail etch |
| 09:56.33 | dpkg | jail: (Just Another ICMP Logger), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.6-6 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 09:56.33 | d34df00d | I can't find it in either google or manuals, so. |
| 09:56.39 | mib_9rsucgbd | can anyone help? |
| 09:56.45 | d34df00d | I need to make a home router with ppp0 connected to WAN and eth2 connected to LAN. |
| 09:56.53 | dutchfish | !info jailer etch |
| 09:56.54 | d34df00d | What should I place to /etc/network/interfaces for eth2? |
| 09:56.55 | dpkg | jailer: (Builds and maintains chrooted environments), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4-9 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 09:57.18 | kevix | Bladerunner05: these users would need permissions to the directories and files first. |
| 09:57.21 | enouf | mib_9rsucgbd: apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-image | grep 24 <-- if 2.6.24.1-686 or similar returns install it |
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| 09:58.01 | Bladerunner05 | ok there user have the permission 'cause they work on that files.... but I need to avoid fraudolent copy.... |
| 09:58.05 | d34df00d | Because simply configuring it as static without any gateway results in some strange behavior: http://rafb.net/p/ygIZSr91.html |
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| 09:58.08 | kevix | Bladerunner05: and you can choose to encrypt the data also. |
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| 09:58.21 | enouf | dutchfish: not sure this is applicable, but there's also scponlyc |
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| 09:58.46 | dutchfish | enouf, ah yes, but it doesnt all protect from copying, what he wants |
| 09:58.50 | enouf | and schroot, IINM, though also - not sure if applicable |
| 09:58.52 | SolidSlash | is anyone here running Sonata MPD player successfully on debian sid ? |
| 09:58.55 | kevix | Bladerunner05: if a user can read the data, they can copy it. see cat secret > new_file. |
| 09:58.56 | enouf | ok, no prob |
| 09:59.02 | enouf | can't read it all |
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| 09:59.22 | mib_9rsucgbd | enouf: is it linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ? |
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| 09:59.33 | enouf | mib_9rsucgbd: well - what's your CPU? |
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| 10:00.05 | dutchfish | Bladerunner05, if you want to absolutely sure dont give them a shell |
| 10:00.15 | mib_9rsucgbd | enouf: Athlon64 2800+ |
| 10:00.43 | enouf | mib_9rsucgbd: there's both - see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.24&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 10:00.57 | enouf | mib_9rsucgbd: install the -686 one for that CPU |
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| 10:01.03 | kevix | Bladerunner05: and remove net access, remove usb ports, no usb drives, ... |
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| 10:02.18 | kevix | SolidSlash: I ran sonata on sid a year ago. does that count? |
| 10:02.31 | marinosi | Hello is there any download accelerator (for ftp , http d/l ) that opens multiple connections to download a file ?(I have speed limit per connection ) Also can apt-get work that way? |
| 10:02.50 | enouf | !tell mib_9rsucgbd -about grounding |
| 10:02.54 | Bushmills | marinosi: for firefox? or stand-alone? |
| 10:02.59 | enouf | !tell mib_9rsucgbd -about reference |
| 10:03.08 | marinosi | Bushmills: whatever :-) |
| 10:03.13 | SolidSlash | not really - there's something wrong with it NOW, check this out - http://wklej.org/txt/30decff6e9 |
| 10:03.22 | Bushmills | marinosi: firefox extension downthemall is quite ok. |
| 10:03.29 | d34df00d | Anybody? |
| 10:03.31 | dutchfish | Bladerunner05, if you want to provide your users some configuration possibilities make them a interface through one of the available languages, much better |
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| 10:03.45 | enouf | d34df00d: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 10:03.51 | Bushmills | marinosi: among other, you can also tell it how many downloads to run concurrently |
| 10:04.13 | mib_9rsucgbd | enouf: dpkg -l "linux-image*" --> linux-image-2.6.22-3-486 does it mean that i should use -486 ? |
| 10:04.33 | enouf | mib_9rsucgbd: no - but -486 ones won;t hurt |
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| 10:05.45 | enouf | mib_9rsucgbd: grep 64 /proc/cpuinfo - even if you have a k7, the specific -k7 kernels have been merged into -686 now |
| 10:06.21 | d34df00d | enouf: thanks, but seems like something ignores my settings. |
| 10:06.25 | kevix | !dbug 480102 |
| 10:06.29 | enouf | !k7 no more |
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| 10:06.38 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 10:06.38 | dpkg | k7 dropped is, like, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 10:07.12 | enouf | d34df00d: oh well - apologies i can't help more, i suck at networking issues anyways ;-) |
| 10:07.13 | d34df00d | enouf: my /etc/network/interfaces: http://rafb.net/p/m7mn1199.html, ifconfig eth2: http://rafb.net/p/uC5OMv22.html |
| 10:07.22 | kevix | !dbug #480102 |
| 10:07.29 | d34df00d | enouf: ah, sorry :) |
| 10:07.29 | dutchfish | enouf, k7 have been merged to 686 from wich kernel and up? |
| 10:07.49 | mib_9rsucgbd | enouf: uname -a --> Linux myDebain 2.6.22-3-486 #1 Sun Feb 10 19:36:16 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:08.10 | kevix | !dbugs 480102 |
| 10:08.13 | dpkg | DONE:#480102:N[sonata] Does not start: "TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable"; Thu, 8 May 2008 02:12:02 UTC |
| 10:08.31 | kevix | SolidSlash: see bug 480102 |
| 10:08.33 | enouf | hopefully, someone will chime in, if not, try again in say 15-30 minutes - try ##networking and ##linux -- also see #debain on irc.debian.org -- please do it all in stages/steps ;-) |
| 10:08.39 | SolidSlash | i guess that's it, thanks kevix ! |
| 10:08.41 | enouf | d34df00d: ^^^^^^ |
| 10:08.56 | d34df00d | enouf: I see... maybe you know someone who could help me? |
| 10:09.00 | jetscreamer | .22 or .23 or so |
| 10:09.01 | kevix | SolidSlash: http://bugs.debian.org/sonata is your friend. |
| 10:09.29 | SolidSlash | thanks again |
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| 10:09.37 | enouf | dutchfish: jetscreamer seems to know more - doesn't that bts mention when/which? |
| 10:09.50 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
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| 10:10.13 | enouf | dutchfish: the debian kernel source changelog will now ;-) |
| 10:10.20 | enouf | er know |
| 10:10.31 | dutchfish | enouf, it ok, i gotcha |
| 10:10.40 | SolidSlash | damn, they say that it's fixed with 1.5.1-1 .. unfortunately, i'm having that problem on this version |
| 10:10.43 | jetscreamer | i just remember it was around that version |
| 10:11.00 | jetscreamer | might have been .24 even |
| 10:11.41 | jetscreamer | why i would want to run a kernel optimized for a pentium pro , i don't know |
| 10:11.58 | jetscreamer | just seems weird |
| 10:12.04 | enouf | i have one ;-) |
| 10:12.10 | DawnLight | dutchfish: i can see no solution to this in the etch hal. i don't even know what causes this. i'll ask in the hal mailing lists. i'll try to have someone write a patch that fixes this for the etch version of hal and try to submit this patch to the hal debian maintainer. i want this to be fixed in the next etch. |
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| 10:12.23 | DawnLight | where should i address issues with etch? |
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| 10:12.30 | jetscreamer | you mean lenny |
| 10:12.40 | jetscreamer | what hal thingy btw |
| 10:13.07 | DawnLight | no, i mean etch |
| 10:13.13 | jetscreamer | lenny is to be the next version of stable |
| 10:13.17 | DawnLight | this is a very serious issue |
| 10:13.23 | DawnLight | it should be fixed in etch |
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| 10:13.45 | enouf | DawnLight: and dutchfish i had let the guys in #cdrkit on OFTC.net know about a hal-addon-storage bug, when my CD drives had ISOs in them, and they were loop mounted - nobody seemed to say anything for days .. not sure what became of it |
| 10:13.49 | jetscreamer | ah a security update |
| 10:14.05 | DawnLight | it isn't security |
| 10:14.09 | enouf | DawnLight: and dutchfish fwiw - i'm not running etch |
| 10:14.19 | jetscreamer | but it would be posted on there i would imagine |
| 10:14.31 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 10:14.43 | DawnLight | who should i contact in debian for this? |
| 10:14.47 | jetscreamer | i don't suppose the roo=UUID= fixes it |
| 10:14.50 | jetscreamer | err root |
| 10:14.59 | dutchfish | enouf, i had also problems with cd-writing wich solved when hald-addon-storage for that device was killed |
| 10:15.11 | enouf | root 28736 0.0 0.1 3168 604 ? D Apr08 0:32 \_ hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/hdb (every 2 sec) <-- those ones |
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| 10:15.36 | dutchfish | enouf, i discovered that by accident through powertop |
| 10:15.38 | jetscreamer | i've seen that somewhere |
| 10:16.03 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 10:16.04 | enouf | once not accessed for some time, it would fail to allow me access, even though still mounted - i need to "eject /dev/hdb" and reload the thing |
| 10:16.13 | jetscreamer | usb mass storage iirc |
| 10:16.19 | DawnLight | i think we're not talking about the same bug |
| 10:16.29 | dutchfish | enouf, i can confirm that too |
| 10:16.36 | DawnLight | i'm talking about #418176 |
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| 10:17.20 | jetscreamer | yeah some dude had that 2 or 3 weeks ago |
| 10:17.29 | jetscreamer | couldn't mount his ipod iirc |
| 10:18.04 | DawnLight | ipod is ntfs? |
| 10:18.24 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, stupid thing is, when i kill hald-addon-storage for that device i can perfectly mount it through manual or autofs |
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| 10:18.53 | rhapsodhy | heloú |
| 10:19.08 | jetscreamer | i blame hal & udev for all the troubles in the world |
| 10:19.12 | dutchfish | DawnLight, i dont think the fs has to do with this |
| 10:19.22 | rhapsodhy | how can i apt-get install into a directory other than "/" ? |
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| 10:19.34 | DawnLight | dutchfish: it does. it has to, because ext3 works like charm |
| 10:19.34 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, you could be more then right |
| 10:19.55 | rhapsodhy | i tried with apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--root=/dir" install pkg |
| 10:19.55 | dutchfish | DawnLight, because its a permission thing |
| 10:20.04 | bleck | say you deleted some random files in /usr/lib or something, is there a way to verify what packages you have installed vs what files you have on your system? |
| 10:20.11 | rhapsodhy | but it didn't work for some reason, and i cannot understand |
| 10:20.13 | bleck | kind of like a sfc for linux |
| 10:20.14 | enouf | DawnLight: crap - your bug could involve DBUS, and even DCOP (kde's thingy), not to mention USB stuff and MPoop crap |
| 10:20.27 | enouf | DawnLight: as well as hal |
| 10:20.36 | jetscreamer | bleck yes there is but i forget the factoid name that the bot has it filed under |
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| 10:20.50 | bleck | maybe like... diff + dpkg -l + ls or something... |
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| 10:20.59 | DawnLight | enouf: it could? i don't know the origins of the bug. it was solved in the latest hal... |
| 10:21.02 | enouf | nominates jetscreamer for his blaming skills |
| 10:21.07 | d34df00d | Magic! |
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| 10:21.11 | d34df00d | Suddenly, it works! |
| 10:21.22 | enouf | DawnLight: oh well, build yourself some backports ;-) |
| 10:21.47 | shyam_k | any volunteers ready to have an ekiga testing? i am aeshyamae at ekiga. net i am badly in need of a test..:( |
| 10:21.48 | enouf | !win d34df00d |
| 10:21.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, d34df00d! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 10:21.54 | shyam_k | and i am from debian lenny:) |
| 10:22.09 | enouf | what's ekiga do? |
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| 10:22.17 | shyam_k | its a voip phone |
| 10:22.22 | enouf | ugh |
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| 10:22.34 | shyam_k | every distro that i know have it by default |
| 10:22.41 | enouf | oh well - nice to have you around, i guess - not for me though ;-) |
| 10:22.48 | rhapsodhy | anybody any ideas on how to install package to a directory other than "/" with apt-get ? |
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| 10:23.30 | enouf | rhapsodhy: packages don't go into / - they go into /var somewhere |
| 10:23.34 | kevix | rhapsodhy: you can download a DEB without installing it. |
| 10:23.35 | shyam_k | if anyone have a voice-callable-gtalk,or yahoo id and are interested to recieve calls from A Free Software calling software,please pm me |
| 10:23.38 | the-dude | I can think of something like that but why would you? |
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| 10:23.49 | shyam_k | coz enouf using ekiga,i can calll gtalk or yahoo users too |
| 10:24.03 | enouf | shyam_k: that's cool - not for me ;-) |
| 10:24.10 | shyam_k | hehe ok :) |
| 10:24.12 | rhapsodhy | kevix: i know where they are downloaded, but how can i install them into a directory? |
| 10:24.23 | enouf | shyam_k: thanks for your work though ;-) |
| 10:24.45 | shyam_k | i wanna stop people recommending nasty prop: skype:) |
| 10:25.26 | enouf | attaboy \o/ |
| 10:25.26 | dutchfish | shyam_k, tell me more |
| 10:25.26 | kevix | Debian follows the FHS so things are put in the 'correct' place unless you want a chroot? |
| 10:25.26 | shyam_k | i just saw a mailing list recommending that in our holy GNU:) |
| 10:25.27 | enouf | shyam_k: try ##linux too |
| 10:25.27 | rhapsodhy | kevix: i do want a chroot |
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| 10:25.31 | rhapsodhy | but i don1t want to install a whole apt/stuff, just the packages i need |
| 10:25.43 | shyam_k | enouf: thanks i am there:) |
| 10:26.29 | DawnLight | should there be a reason why etch kde users shouldn't be able to use the kde mouting features? |
| 10:26.31 | kevix | rhapsodhy: a chroot can be as small or as big as you want. I think debian can install in about 300mb. |
| 10:26.47 | rhapsodhy | kevix: yep, but i need it <100Mb |
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| 10:26.58 | beardy | So make it. |
| 10:27.00 | enouf | DawnLight: try #debian-kde ?? or something? |
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| 10:27.12 | kevix | rhapsodhy: maybe you want DSL (damn small linux)? |
| 10:27.21 | WoK | umm debian v3 on base install, umm 90 MB |
| 10:27.23 | DawnLight | enouf: i'll try. thanks |
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| 10:27.32 | rhapsodhy | no, i need a custom distro |
| 10:27.40 | beardy | rhapsodhy: If it's up to 300MB for a base install, it is indeed bloated. But you can make a test install, and remove the thigns you don't want. |
| 10:27.55 | kevix | rhapsodhy: maybe emdebian ? |
| 10:28.16 | rhapsodhy | hmmm |
| 10:28.19 | rhapsodhy | ill try that |
| 10:28.28 | rhapsodhy | thanks anyway, i gotta go now |
| 10:28.31 | rhapsodhy | bye |
| 10:28.34 | WoK | byes |
| 10:28.51 | kevix | buy |
| 10:29.16 | enouf | buh bai now |
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| 10:29.30 | enouf | !customer |
| 10:29.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 10:30.21 | kevix | enouf: customer service is our middle name ;-) |
| 10:30.46 | hoxu | !flw |
| 10:30.46 | dpkg | i guess flw7 is <nickv111> I use unstable and have never run into problems |
| 10:30.59 | enouf | heh |
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| 10:32.45 | enouf | just to clarify, awhile back, when d/l source .debs and being in /root , yes, the source pkgs were placed in /root (or your $PWD/$CWD) |
| 10:34.13 | jetscreamer | !qotd0 |
| 10:34.14 | dpkg | < dodoherty> nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right. |
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| 10:36.33 | astro6 | hi |
| 10:37.03 | astro6 | I've noticed these entries in my logs: |
| 10:37.05 | astro6 | get_netlink_msg: unable to receive kernel netlink message: No buffer space |
| 10:37.14 | astro6 | any hints? |
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| 10:40.40 | hoxu | astro6, google seems to show only irc log references :p |
| 10:41.05 | astro6 | yes :/ |
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| 10:41.27 | iateadonut | anyone know anything about SoC? |
| 10:42.30 | AcTiVaTe | You hang em near the mantlepiece around xmas time? |
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| 10:43.02 | iateadonut | hmmm... yes, i guess i misunderstood when someone asked me if i know anything about SoC design. |
| 10:43.11 | iateadonut | time to get out the red and white yarn. |
| 10:43.46 | enouf | m_g: yo, what's going on? (though i might have to run away real soon for a while) |
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| 10:43.47 | kevix | iateadonut: check wiki.debian.org or scan the last 2 months of debian-devel |
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| 10:45.04 | m_g | enouf, totally out of luck, even with symlinks everywhere i couldn't get it to boot.. i have decided to use stable instead and upgrade in a whole to a new stable when it comes out. hopefully i won't have to come back then :-) |
| 10:45.39 | enouf | m_g: heh - making a mess eh? oh well, that's how you learn ;-) |
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| 10:45.50 | m_g | enouf, i hope so :) |
| 10:45.55 | iateadonut | why does debian kick so much ass? |
| 10:46.06 | m_g | why does debian kick my ass? |
| 10:46.06 | m_g | heh |
| 10:46.06 | enouf | we eat our spinach? |
| 10:46.23 | foobar8 | hi! any debian-kfreebsd users? how do i cleanly shutdown debian/kfreebsd? poweroff does not do the right thing |
| 10:46.44 | enouf | dpkg: how do you feel about Bluto? |
| 10:46.45 | dpkg | enouf: no idea |
| 10:46.53 | iateadonut | every time i look for something for debian... it's like, "oh yeah... debian does that..." |
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| 10:47.20 | jetscreamer | who was more badass... bluto or brutus |
| 10:47.24 | jetscreamer | vote! |
| 10:47.30 | iateadonut | i would like to build an OS for my palmtop - "there's already one." |
| 10:47.35 | enouf | foobar8: tried halt? reboot? shutdown command? |
| 10:47.45 | enouf | foobar8: check /etc/inittab ? |
| 10:47.51 | iateadonut | who is brutus... the julius caesar guy? |
| 10:47.51 | jetscreamer | foobar8: as root eh |
| 10:48.04 | jetscreamer | there were two bad guys on popeye |
| 10:48.12 | jetscreamer | or one had a name change |
| 10:48.23 | iateadonut | really? did they both look exactly the same? |
| 10:48.30 | enouf | likes whimpy == mr hamburglar :-P |
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| 10:48.42 | jetscreamer | iirc yeah they were similar looking |
| 10:48.48 | jetscreamer | googles it |
| 10:48.57 | iateadonut | the hamburglar was a mcD's character. |
| 10:49.01 | enouf | i think you're thinking of diff popeye versions |
| 10:49.09 | foobar8 | enouf: yes |
| 10:49.11 | jetscreamer | b&w vs color |
| 10:49.13 | enouf | iateadonut: no kidding |
| 10:49.14 | iateadonut | ah. |
| 10:49.17 | kevix | iateadonut: Debian has been around 10+ years. We assmilated everything x-) |
| 10:49.39 | iateadonut | the black and white one was better. |
| 10:49.41 | enouf | man i miss that betty boop pr0n ;-) |
| 10:49.45 | dutchfish | mumbles about resistance is futile |
| 10:49.46 | iateadonut | that was the one with the island of the goonies. |
| 10:50.10 | iateadonut | but, the color one had 'spinach for britain' - so it's a tough call. |
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| 10:50.35 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluto |
| 10:50.40 | kevix | There was a recent reissue of popeye DVDs on amazon. |
| 10:50.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | hooray for Popeye |
| 10:51.05 | enouf | heh, i never knew SpeedRacer's opening checkerboard had red and black, not white and black, until like the mid 90s :-P |
| 10:51.24 | iateadonut | Popeye is not Debian. it may be debian-based, but we do not support it here. |
| 10:51.37 | kevix | enouf: sounds likes a bad tv set ;-) |
| 10:51.43 | foobar8 | jetscreamer: yes ;-) i tried: poweroff, shutdown -h now, init 0, .... |
| 10:51.50 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 10:51.50 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 10:51.55 | enouf | kevix: bad? nah - just b&w for the day ;-) |
| 10:51.59 | hoxu | !not supporting your sanity |
| 10:51.59 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support your sanity too. Try #yoursanity or donating money to charity. |
| 10:52.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | enouf: It's yellow and red o_O |
| 10:52.14 | enouf | no it's not |
| 10:52.18 | enouf | :-P |
| 10:52.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | liez |
| 10:52.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm watching the first episode right now |
| 10:52.27 | foobar8 | jetscreamer: it just does not shutdown cleanly (next boot / will not be unmounted cleanly) |
| 10:52.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's yellow red |
| 10:53.05 | enouf | a remake or something like on some DVD promotional garb? |
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| 10:53.24 | brainsoft | how can i recover deleted php files with rm command? |
| 10:53.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | enouf: No, the original |
| 10:53.44 | enouf | ok, so now i have to ask, how and why? ;-) |
| 10:53.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | I torrented the entire series, wanted to rewatch it before I saw the movie |
| 10:54.08 | enouf | well. someone cares ;-) |
| 10:54.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's been quite a while since I've last seen it ;) |
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| 10:54.24 | jetscreamer | foobar8: i've had that. no idea. i 'think' it got fixed in sid at least. can't swear. |
| 10:54.26 | enouf | many years for me my friend .. |
| 10:54.29 | iateadonut | brainsoft: not likely. |
| 10:54.33 | jetscreamer | it doesn't happen to me anymore |
| 10:54.54 | brainsoft | ive heard is posible if the deleted data has not been written after the deleting |
| 10:54.59 | iateadonut | i think brainsoft might be able to use some combinatin of grep and something else. |
| 10:55.13 | jetscreamer | hexedit the hd |
| 10:55.17 | jetscreamer | pray |
| 10:55.24 | jetscreamer | restore from backup |
| 10:55.26 | iateadonut | what type of filesystem? |
| 10:55.32 | jetscreamer | you know, that backup you make every day |
| 10:55.33 | enouf | foobar8: no idea really, never tried that kfreebsd stuff - tried the #channel? |
| 10:55.39 | foobar8 | hmm there is a problem with ifdown and / is busy (/dev/ads01a: Device or resource busy) |
| 10:55.40 | brainsoft | i did by mystake 'rm images1 *' instead 'rm images1*' |
| 10:55.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | And now you've learned |
| 10:55.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | Wasn't learning fun? |
| 10:55.58 | hoxu | brainsoft, there are various pieces of software to recover files from partition, but no easy way |
| 10:55.59 | enouf | no ifconfig ethX down? |
| 10:56.03 | foobar8 | enouf: yes - nobody there |
| 10:56.05 | iateadonut | oh my god. |
| 10:56.08 | iateadonut | that's terrible. |
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| 10:56.25 | hoxu | brainsoft, unless you deleted something very important that takes long to replace, I suggest you spend your time setting up a backup system instead |
| 10:56.39 | Bushmills | brainsoft, there is a howto about undeleting files from ext2/3 - depends a bit what file system you use, evidently. there's also a tool to aid undeleting. but generally, restoring from backup is the recommended approachj |
| 10:56.57 | Blast_Hardcheese | Or restoring from brain |
| 10:57.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | if you have no backups |
| 10:57.10 | iateadonut | php files. |
| 10:57.22 | iateadonut | what file system type? |
| 10:57.28 | brainsoft | ext3 |
| 10:57.33 | foobar8 | enouf: but it seems shutdown -h now is the closest match to a clean shutdown |
| 10:57.46 | kevix | foobar8: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 10:57.49 | iateadonut | how many lines of php? |
| 10:57.54 | brainsoft | tons |
| 10:57.57 | brainsoft | tons of files |
| 10:58.04 | foobar8 | kevix: already looked there |
| 10:58.05 | Bushmills | well, from backup, then |
| 10:58.06 | brainsoft | almost 30 |
| 10:58.07 | Iradieh | hmm.. could someone help me out, Debian Lenny 64 won't work under VmWare, there is no "debian" setting so I tried Ubuntu 64 and "other linux 64" |
| 10:58.12 | iateadonut | i forget, but you should be able to grep for the line <?php and then grab all the lines after it. |
| 10:58.33 | kevix | foobar8: if all else fails, try lists.debian.org ... |
| 10:59.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | Does the likelyhood of recovering files go down on Linux like it does on OSx? (Since OSx doesn't have a dedicated swap partition) |
| 10:59.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | Also isn't recovering files from a journalled system supposed to be harder? |
| 10:59.49 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, OSx 10.5 has a dedicated sawp |
| 11:00.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | dutchfish: Uh |
| 11:00.20 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, and for 10.4 its optional |
| 11:00.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is it a swap _file_ or a swap _partition_ |
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| 11:00.47 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, partition if you opt for it |
| 11:01.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is it some weird hack like mounting a separate disk in place of the swap directory? |
| 11:01.28 | brainsoft | foremost with option -all could work? |
| 11:01.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | or the temp directory, rather. |
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| 11:01.41 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, no, right from the installer disk |
| 11:01.46 | Iradieh | IS "decompressing linux" supposed to take so much time |
| 11:01.50 | brainsoft | but i'd only want the files deleted today |
| 11:02.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | I must be blind then, Would you be so kind as to enlighten me? |
| 11:02.11 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, but only if you setup your partition manually, not the damn wizard |
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| 11:02.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | there's a wizard for partition management? |
| 11:02.46 | foobar8 | maybe it was my fault because i only use a single partition ... |
| 11:02.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | Are you talking about Disk Utility? |
| 11:02.56 | Iradieh | Hmmm I cant get the 64 bit of Debian to run |
| 11:02.57 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, and the new raid setup tool does support it too |
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| 11:03.39 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, its covered in the manuals you know? |
| 11:04.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | Huh, I did not know |
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| 11:05.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | The best I can find is: http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=81586 |
| 11:06.36 | trifler | To uninstall do I run aptitue remove or purge or both? |
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| 11:07.05 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, its offtopic in here, but you can point your swap to a dedicated jbod disk .... |
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| 11:08.19 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, you could get more specific in th emac channels |
| 11:08.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yes, you can point your swap to a separate partition, that was completely unrelated to my original question |
| 11:08.40 | kevix | trifler: aptitude remove ... will keep the config files. purge will not. |
| 11:08.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | Also completely opposite what you said, You said there was a way to set up a swap partition from the OS installation system |
| 11:09.13 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, yes, that is through |
| 11:09.15 | zythmer | brainsoft: If you can, unmount the partition while you figure out a plan (or shut off the computer). If you have room, dd that partition to another location and do the work on the new location. If it's worth that much to you, you should be able to salvage at least parts. Try looking into something like 'magicrescue' which will scan the block device looking for magic bytes. e2undel and recover don't work with ext3. |
| 11:10.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | dutchfish: I've searched for it and come up with nothing to support your claim |
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| 11:10.47 | brainsoft | no way |
| 11:10.55 | Iradieh | Is Lenny using kernel 2.6 ? |
| 11:11.09 | brainsoft | im from spain and my server is in the US which is still running webpages |
| 11:11.16 | trifler | kevix: So same thing except for the .rcs in my home folder? or something like that |
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| 11:11.40 | dutchfish | Blast_Hardcheese, there you go: http://www.macrumors.com/2001/09/10/increase-os-x-performance-swap-partition/ |
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| 11:12.14 | ma3x_ | when i run vncserver, and i connect to it, do i need to start x, or can i reattach to the existing session? |
| 11:12.16 | Iradieh | Is Lenny using linux kernel 2.6 ? |
| 11:12.32 | Iradieh | ma3x_: depends on what VNC server you running |
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| 11:13.14 | ma3x_ | Iradieh: vnc4server |
| 11:14.19 | enouf | brainsoft: you can try ext3grep .. google |
| 11:14.22 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make /proc available in a chroot? |
| 11:14.26 | enouf | !undelete |
| 11:14.26 | dpkg | i guess undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 11:14.36 | enouf | see that url |
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| 11:15.04 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc |
| 11:15.20 | m_g | how can i tell aptitude which version of a package to install? i have python-svn 1.5.0dfsg-1 but want 1.1.2-3 |
| 11:15.34 | m_g | or rather 1.4* |
| 11:16.14 | enouf | you want an older version? m_g ? |
| 11:16.14 | Bushmills | brainsoft: if you really insist in refusing to keep backups, consider to recursively hardling files to an alternative directory hierarchy. |
| 11:16.23 | Bushmills | hardlink... |
| 11:16.32 | m_g | enouf, yeah i somehow think the current one is incompatible with the svn version |
| 11:16.49 | iateadonut | how do i know where my files downloaded by rtorrent are located? |
| 11:16.50 | enouf | m_g: you could just d/l the .deb and install it |
| 11:17.01 | m_g | where from? |
| 11:17.27 | enouf | m_g: i use apt-get, not aptitude, though i'm sure aptitude has a cache search function |
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| 11:17.35 | Iradieh | dutchfish: thanks for the link but it didnt work |
| 11:17.46 | m_g | enouf, what's the command for apt-get? :) |
| 11:17.48 | enouf | m_g: from p.d.o - but if you have to ask, you prolly shouldn't ;-) |
| 11:18.10 | brainsoft | grep -i -a -B10 -A100 '<?' /dev/sda1 > file.txt |
| 11:18.19 | brainsoft | ive done this |
| 11:18.39 | Iradieh | lennies apt-get is better then aptitude, dunno how etch is |
| 11:20.10 | enouf | m_g: apt-cache search <keyword> - but to install a specific version, you likely want apt-get -t <release> install <pkgname> , use 'apt-cache depends <pkgname>' to see it's dependencies .. you really want to "/msg dpkg grounding" and see reference as a nice start ;-) |
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| 11:20.17 | ricosecada | What is the best way to avoid a forced file systems check? |
| 11:20.24 | m_g | enouf, thanks :) |
| 11:20.43 | enouf | m_g: or you could grab the .deb version from p.d.o yourself and just dpkg -i name.deb it |
| 11:20.45 | astro6 | ricosecada: tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 /dev/sdx |
| 11:20.46 | ricosecada | on ext3 system |
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| 11:21.25 | enouf | m_g: but not sure why you need to mess with this stuff - you either will or have broken your pkg management system :-) |
| 11:21.25 | ricosecada | astro6, thanks |
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| 11:21.46 | m_g | enouf, there might be a way around i try atm :) |
| 11:21.48 | enouf | m_g: perhaps you're mixing releases? |
| 11:22.27 | m_g | enouf, i installed python-svn from stable, did 'from svn import core' in python but the package is non-existend |
| 11:22.29 | m_g | that's weird |
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| 11:23.03 | enouf | m_g: are you aware of debian's use of -dev pkgs? |
| 11:23.18 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, thx |
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| 11:23.20 | m_g | enouf, shouldn't the dependencies be installed automatically? |
| 11:24.28 | ricosecada | astro6, this is a server in which I only have access by ssh, since I am turning off forced check, how should I check the system manually? Do you know that? I cannot boot into single user mode. |
| 11:24.47 | enouf | m_g: sure - but i don't know what your little from svn thing is supposed to do |
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| 11:25.12 | enouf | m_g: -dev pkgs have nothing to do with depends |
| 11:25.20 | enouf | m_g: read read read |
| 11:25.41 | enouf | m_g: in short, they contain build headers |
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| 11:27.28 | HardDisk_WP | http://packages.debian.net/lenny/arm/linux-image-2.6.24-1-ixp4xx/download |
| 11:27.34 | HardDisk_WP | the download links are broken |
| 11:27.40 | HardDisk_WP | for all mirrors, it seems |
| 11:28.27 | HardDisk_WP | the correct is http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.25-1-ixp4xx_2.6.25-1_arm.deb |
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| 11:30.32 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, dont use 2.6.25-1 for arm atm, 2.6.25.3 (vanilla) has fixes for arm, wich had some serious issues |
| 11:30.54 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, they will go in in a few days |
| 11:31.15 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, kk...what kind are these issues/will these issues be present on an NSLU2? |
| 11:31.30 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, hold on i get you a link |
| 11:31.41 | HardDisk_WP | k thx |
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| 11:32.25 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-2.6.25.y.git;a=summary |
| 11:33.22 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, k...has .24-1 also these issues? |
| 11:33.45 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, not vanilla 2.6.24-4 and up (vanilla) |
| 11:34.04 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 11:34.08 | HardDisk_WP | and debian ones? |
| 11:34.09 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel@lists.debian.org |
| 11:34.17 | HardDisk_WP | i never again flash selfmade kernels on this device... |
| 11:34.30 | dutchfish | !comfort HardDisk_WP |
| 11:34.30 | dpkg | There, there, HardDisk_WP. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:34.42 | HardDisk_WP | :D |
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| 11:34.56 | Supaplex | fires up the fax machine (external modem) |
| 11:35.09 | slxix | ooo. |
| 11:35.11 | m_g | enouf, heh i just confused python-svn with python-subversion ;) |
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| 11:41.29 | enouf | !fix m_g |
| 11:41.30 | dpkg | takes m_g to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 11:42.01 | dutchfish | LOL |
| 11:42.04 | enouf | bah, the confuse one would've been more apropos there |
| 11:42.23 | sgi_netboot | i want to install debian onto an SGI O2 by netbooting. i want the ip address to be statically assigned to the MAC address of the O2 and for it to be in the 10.1.1.x range. im using dhcp3-server on gNewSense 2.0, based on hardy heron. |
| 11:42.49 | sgi_netboot | how do i edit /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf so that it works? |
| 11:43.09 | Supaplex | hardy? that's not debian, that's ubuntu |
| 11:43.14 | enouf | O2 == Oxygen ? |
| 11:43.22 | sgi_netboot | i know its ubuntu |
| 11:43.28 | dutchfish | enouf, yup |
| 11:43.30 | sgi_netboot | enouf: SGI O2 |
| 11:44.11 | slxix | Supaplex: gNewSense is ubuntu minus nonfree. |
| 11:44.22 | enouf | .... basically |
| 11:44.23 | Supaplex | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530985 |
| 11:44.43 | slxix | okok, maybe _is_ was too strong a word. :) |
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| 11:45.11 | brainsoft | zythmer: magicrescue is working! |
| 11:45.26 | Niklas- | Would it be possible to configure a raid-1 with 4 disk, 2x750 and 2x500 in the same raid device? |
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| 11:45.27 | brainsoft | im recovering my phps |
| 11:45.29 | brainsoft | thx ppl |
| 11:45.49 | sgi_netboot | http://rafb.net/p/YfpC2c12.html |
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| 11:46.12 | enouf | Niklas-: use raid10 |
| 11:47.10 | enouf | Niklas-: not sure what you're really asking though, you mean only one md? like /dev/md0 only? |
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| 11:48.27 | g00se | I don't suppose it's possible to use m-a on tarballs is it? |
| 11:49.05 | slxix | what is m-a? |
| 11:49.26 | cast | ask dpkg |
| 11:49.30 | g00se | module-assistant (symlink) |
| 11:49.34 | liable | g00se: no |
| 11:49.36 | num_l0ck3d | enouf: you there man ? |
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| 11:50.15 | g00se | liable: i suppose not alien either? |
| 11:50.15 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: somewhat |
| 11:50.24 | micols | anybody played with netboot? |
| 11:50.25 | num_l0ck3d | no sleep? |
| 11:50.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | sgi_netboot, ah, hello :) |
| 11:50.40 | micols | i just get "ARP timeout" and i got in.ftpd running as 'nobody' in inetd |
| 11:50.41 | slxix | dpkg knows a little about everything. |
| 11:50.41 | dpkg | slxix: i haven't a clue |
| 11:50.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | sgi_netboot, let me read what you've typed :) |
| 11:50.45 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: busy ... |
| 11:50.51 | slxix | pfft. nevermind. :) |
| 11:50.52 | g00se | It's just that i'm trying to debianise things as much as possible |
| 11:50.53 | num_l0ck3d | oh sorry enouf |
| 11:51.03 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: no no - what's up? |
| 11:51.13 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: i might be in and out , that's all |
| 11:51.15 | sveakex | hey, how can i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.24.3? |
| 11:51.26 | enouf | sveakex: why? |
| 11:51.28 | sveakex | or anything which does not have the local root exploit |
| 11:51.34 | enouf | haha |
| 11:51.40 | num_l0ck3d | nothing its so hot out here this afternoon ... feeling lazy so was trying various linux distros :P |
| 11:51.40 | enouf | that's taken care of |
| 11:51.48 | num_l0ck3d | right now on opensuse 10.3 |
| 11:51.51 | sveakex | enouf: ok? |
| 11:51.56 | Bushmills | wd, ping |
| 11:52.01 | enouf | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or use aptitude) |
| 11:52.25 | sveakex | enouf: so vm_splice is removed from it? |
| 11:52.33 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 11:52.58 | num_l0ck3d | enouf: which distro you use ? etch sarge lenny or sid |
| 11:53.12 | num_l0ck3d | hey dutchfish :) |
| 11:53.18 | dutchfish | but there are othe rissues then vmsplice wich have been updated too in stable |
| 11:53.25 | sveakex | dutchfish: was that yes to me? |
| 11:53.30 | enouf | sveakex: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 |
| 11:53.52 | dutchfish | sveakex, yes |
| 11:54.21 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: distro == debian ;-) |
| 11:54.37 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: release though? i'm using a weirdo mix |
| 11:54.49 | num_l0ck3d | like what ? |
| 11:54.51 | sveakex | enouf, dutchfish: ok |
| 11:54.54 | enouf | num_l0ck3d: /msg dpkg releases ;-) |
| 11:55.03 | num_l0ck3d | hmm |
| 11:55.09 | Niklas- | enouf: Yeah, or maybe 3, one for /, swap and /boot |
| 11:55.16 | enouf | mostly lenny/sid, but i have old stuff not upgraded |
| 11:55.21 | Iradieh | Could someone please assist me, I tried installing mysql-server and I get Errors were ncountered while processing exim4-daemon-light, exim4, bsd-mailx, mailx |
| 11:55.48 | sveakex | thanks guys! see you later |
| 11:55.50 | sveakex | :) |
| 11:55.52 | Bushmills | dutchfish aka nieuwe_haring :) |
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| 11:56.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, haha lekker |
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| 11:56.33 | dutchfish | Bushmills, and after that a nice cool bear |
| 11:56.44 | dutchfish | s/bear/beer |
| 11:56.51 | num_l0ck3d | :)) |
| 11:56.52 | Bushmills | what do you have there? witte raaf? grolsch? |
| 11:57.06 | enouf | Niklas-: you can create md devices, and then partition them as well - the /docs talk about all that - install mdadm and read .. though i can't think through your scenario all the way atm |
| 11:57.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills, just nipping on a wieckse witte |
| 11:57.26 | Bushmills | quite ok, that one. |
| 11:57.45 | Iradieh | Could someone please assist me, I tried installing mysql-server and I get Errors were ncountered while processing exim4-daemon-light, exim4, bsd-mailx, mailx -> Sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error |
| 11:57.52 | Bushmills | you know de ijbrouwerij, amsterdam? with beers like columbus, strauss etc? |
| 11:57.54 | Iradieh | IT seems that it actually did install, so why does it bitch about error? |
| 11:57.55 | dutchfish | Bushmills, but you can have a duvels too |
| 11:57.58 | Iradieh | Bushmills: please English |
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| 11:58.27 | Bushmills | Iradieh: that *is* english except proper names |
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| 11:59.14 | dutchfish | Bushmills, do i need to translate brand names too? |
| 11:59.20 | Iradieh | Bushmills: sorry =) |
| 11:59.21 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ;) |
| 11:59.22 | slxix | my nick is mostly roman. ;) |
| 12:00.00 | enouf | ® © |
| 12:00.17 | Niklas- | I have configured raid before alot of times but only with 2 & 4 disks of the same size. But one of the disk i ordered was DOA, so i need to figure something out, with the 2x500 and 2x750 without wasting the last 250gb of the 750 disks |
| 12:00.20 | Iradieh | How come I get that error "Errors were encountered while processing: Exim4-daemon-light, exim4, bsd-mailx, mailx" and Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)? The installation succeeded |
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| 12:00.48 | ma3x_ | can i reattach to the x session if i run vnc4server? |
| 12:00.56 | ma3x_ | or is that only for starting applications? |
| 12:01.08 | ma3x | in other words can i reattach to the existing x session? |
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| 12:01.27 | Bushmills | ma3x: keep vnc server running. reconnect with client to server only/ |
| 12:01.49 | ma3x | Bushmills: will that reconnect to my running x session or no? |
| 12:01.51 | Iradieh | ma3x: IMHO... keep openSSH server running, but screw X and VNC-server |
| 12:01.58 | Bushmills | ma3x: yes. |
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| 12:02.13 | HardDisk_WP | how do I stop Squid from auto starting at boot? |
| 12:02.14 | Iradieh | ma3x: SSH into the server, start VNC server and X; then VNC there... and dont forget to shutdown VNC and X when you leave |
| 12:03.20 | enouf | Niklas-: hrm, maybe raid10 500x4 as md1 and raid1 250x2 as md0 for /whatever ? |
| 12:03.58 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: man update-rc.d, update-rc.d -f Squid remove .. or use "/msg dpkg rcconf" |
| 12:04.15 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 12:04.27 | Niklas- | I could do that, but i need the space for large disk dumps 40-50gb files, would have been nice if there was a way out to do that |
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| 12:06.40 | enouf | but, i like the idea; if one disk fails, not all md's are lost/degraded .. IOW, the way you want to do it, each mdX will touch all disks in someway, IINM what you want |
| 12:06.46 | enouf | Niklas-: ^^^^ |
| 12:08.22 | Supaplex | must hylafax use tcp/ip when the faxmodem is on the same box? |
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| 12:09.19 | micols | anybody played with netboot? |
| 12:09.20 | micols | i just get "ARP timeout" and i got in.ftpd running as 'nobody' in inetd |
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| 12:09.35 | micols | and no logs in syslog |
| 12:10.09 | micols | the client gets dhcp fine, and i did set the filename in dhcpd.conf to pxelinux.0 |
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| 12:11.11 | Niklas- | enouf: thats one way yeah.. Will i be able to create the raid device with 4 disk, and leave one of them out and make it sync the raid when i get a new disk? |
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| 12:11.56 | g00se | Sure this will amuse some of you - my splash screen for Eclipse: http://byrnegaunt.co.uk/misc/weird-eclipse.png |
| 12:12.13 | g00se | This happens with ssh -X What gives? |
| 12:12.46 | enouf | Niklas-: i'm pretty sure yes, that too is in the docs |
| 12:13.05 | enouf | Niklas-: look for [missing] or similar |
| 12:13.35 | Niklas- | ok thanks |
| 12:14.58 | enouf | Niklas-: for ex; ~$ zgrep missing /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.recipes.gz |
| 12:15.27 | enouf | the /usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt.gz is a nice read too :-) |
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| 12:16.13 | enouf | then, you also have the mdadm{.conf} man pages |
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| 12:18.26 | jwheare | anyone else having problems upgrading exim4 or python on lenny? |
| 12:19.15 | slxix | not i. |
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| 12:20.10 | jwheare | Setting up exim4-daemon-light (4.69-2+b1) ... |
| 12:20.10 | jwheare | Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 12:20.11 | jwheare | invoke-rc.d: initscript exim4, action "start" failed. |
| 12:20.11 | jwheare | dpkg: error processing exim4-daemon-light (--configure): |
| 12:20.11 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 12:20.21 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:20.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:20.25 | jwheare | sorry |
| 12:20.50 | jwheare | http://paste.debian.net/2590/ |
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| 12:22.05 | abrotman | and if you try to start it manually? |
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| 12:22.41 | jwheare | Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 12:22.46 | jwheare | same |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:22.58 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 12:24.02 | klikklak | hey, how do I change my userid in whois on irc (using erc)? .. it shows jussih@blah and I'd like to get rid of the jussih part |
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| 12:24.39 | klikklak | I tried installing slidentd and nullidentd, but those didn't do the trick. also email-userid and name and system name were changed but to no help |
| 12:27.05 | slxix | try changing the erc-user-name variable? |
| 12:27.19 | deface | klikklak: you can't 'get' rid of it, but you can change it |
| 12:27.41 | klikklak | erc-user-full-name is set to qux already |
| 12:27.52 | klikklak | deface: how? |
| 12:28.00 | slxix | ok, but what about erc-user-name? |
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| 12:28.13 | klikklak | customize-variable doesn't recognize that |
| 12:28.52 | klikklak | neither does set-variable |
| 12:29.01 | deface | klikklak: i use oidentd |
| 12:29.07 | zythmer | brainsoft: fyi, if there's a next time, I would use Run's ext3grep (undelete_ext3 link listed above). In particular, ext3grep $IMAGE --dump-names --after=$epoch (to make sure you're not recovering too many files) followed by ext3grep $IMAGE --restore-all --after=$epoch looks quite nice. He accidentally deleted a 3GB /home and recovered every file with the tool. |
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| 12:29.30 | slxix | klikklak: is the computer NAT'd? :) |
| 12:29.39 | liable | !ping |
| 12:29.39 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:29.40 | klikklak | deface: so you just install that and add the stanza in inetd ? .. I did that but got no results? do I need to restart something? |
| 12:29.51 | klikklak | slxix: no |
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| 12:30.39 | deface | klikklak: you need to edit the .conf file |
| 12:32.11 | klikklak | deface: there's no documentation for that. damn. you'd recommend oident? |
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| 12:37.14 | micols | lol.. took me half a day to figure out netboot didnt work because i had icmp echo reply disabled in my kernel with my old custom boot script :) |
| 12:37.42 | DawnLight | when i try to open screen it tells me "var/run/screen/S-root/5877.pts-3.box0: No such file or directory" help?! |
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| 12:38.21 | klikklak | so with oidentd I'd set allow spoof* and then use erc to set the incorrect addressses? |
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| 12:40.23 | abrotman | DawnLight: screen -Rd maybe ? |
| 12:40.35 | klikklak | all right. seems to work now |
| 12:42.56 | DawnLight | abrotman: nope. same thing |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | DawnLight: does that file exist where it says ? |
| 12:43.13 | DawnLight | abrotman: no. |
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| 12:43.30 | abrotman | oh .. -rD .. maybe |
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| 12:43.34 | DawnLight | abrotman: and no screen is running |
| 12:43.38 | abrotman | i had the same .. can't recall how i got rid of it |
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| 12:48.41 | DawnLight | abrotman: i think it was because i used the 2.6.22 bpo kernel |
| 12:48.55 | abrotman | no |
| 12:49.13 | liable | yes |
| 12:49.17 | abrotman | did that take care of it ? |
| 12:49.22 | liable | maybe |
| 12:49.30 | abrotman | smacks liable |
| 12:49.49 | klikklak | strange, it changed my id only in freenode |
| 12:49.55 | liable | thank you sir, may i have another? |
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| 13:09.10 | vjoe | hey |
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| 13:13.38 | arussel | to start my wifi connection I need to use ifconfig, iwpriv and then dhclient. What script should I put those command in, so it is automatically used at start up ? |
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| 13:15.30 | WormFood | look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:15.50 | WormFood | man interfaces |
| 13:16.07 | deface | arussel: why not use NetworkManager ? |
| 13:16.46 | arussel | deface: what is NetworkManager ? |
| 13:17.02 | abrotman | why not just use the interfaces file |
| 13:17.56 | deface | why do things the hard way ? |
| 13:18.15 | arussel | WormFood, abrotman: you mean, using a post-up command ? |
| 13:18.18 | abrotman | because nm isn't always easier .. is error prone .. and generally kind of sucks |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 13:18.22 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 13:18.43 | abrotman | arussel: you can put things like your ESSID and your key, etc in the interfaces file |
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| 13:19.05 | deface | arussel: yeah, good luck if you hop alot of networks regularly .. lmao |
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| 13:19.06 | abrotman | arussel: if you largely only use your system on one wifi network .. it's probably easier to get interfaces file to do it |
| 13:19.22 | arussel | why I always forget to look into /usr/share/doc ? when most of the time I find the answer there, WHY ? |
| 13:19.50 | abrotman | you use IRC and a documentation index ? |
| 13:20.03 | abrotman | erm .. as a |
| 13:20.13 | arussel | :-) |
| 13:20.28 | WormFood | whats a quick (and maybe dirty) way to see video from my webcam? (I remember doing it in the past, but can't for the live of me get it to work now)....it says (in dmesg) it is V4L2 |
| 13:20.44 | WormFood | life* |
| 13:20.49 | abrotman | apt-cache search v4l ? |
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| 13:24.24 | enouf | xeyes? |
| 13:25.02 | enouf | see #v4l and friends? |
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| 13:26.22 | enouf | oh dear; xeyes - a follow the mouse X demo .. nm :-P |
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| 13:52.36 | garo | How can i tell debian not to turn on eth1 when it boots ? (I managed to tell it not to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces but i also want it to be turned off) |
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| 13:53.01 | liable | you mean not load the module? |
| 13:53.03 | liable | why? |
| 13:53.28 | garo | i don't want to see it in the ifconfigoutput unless i use -a |
| 13:53.44 | liable | if its not configured, it shouldn't be |
| 13:54.14 | hoxu | garo, what's the _actual_ problem? |
| 13:55.01 | garo | that i don't want to see eth1 in the output of ifconfig unless i use -a, it's not a problem, only a minor annoyance |
| 13:55.26 | hoxu | ... |
| 13:55.29 | liable | if its not brought up by ifup, it shouldnt be shown... |
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| 13:55.55 | liable | so comment the auto line for it |
| 13:56.10 | hoxu | shakes head and goes for the facepalm |
| 13:56.10 | garo | it's not brought up by ifup, because ifdown eth1 tells me :ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
| 13:56.48 | garo | but i have i have to run ifconfig eth1 down to let it completely dissappear in ifconfig |
| 13:57.13 | liable | paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 13:57.53 | hoxu | garo, if you don't want to see all interfaces in ifconfig, just specify the one you want to |
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| 13:58.28 | foobar8` | maybe would be more interesting what ifconfig eth1 has to say before you call ifconfig eth1 down |
| 13:58.37 | foobar8` | maybe some auto configuration going on? |
| 13:58.41 | liable | Hydroxide: he has a point, the iface shouldnt be shown unless its up. so he needs to find out what brings it up |
| 13:58.47 | liable | hoxu: ^^ |
| 13:58.50 | garo | http://pastebin.com/m7f0eb4f3 |
| 13:59.42 | hoxu | "post-down /sbin/ifconfig eth1 down"? |
| 13:59.49 | hoxu | isn't that redundant? |
| 14:00.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:00.04 | liable | indeed |
| 14:00.21 | hoxu | anyway, I don't see why eth1 would be brought up from that |
| 14:00.25 | garo | that's what i need to let the interface dissappear in ifconfig after ifdown |
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| 14:00.38 | garo | otherwise it's still there, but without a ip |
| 14:00.49 | hoxu | garo, hrmh, what branch are you running? |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | wtf is wrong iwth ifconfig <interface> ? |
| 14:01.01 | foobar8` | ip link show eth1 would be interesting, too |
| 14:01.08 | liable | garo: take it down with ifconfig, restart networking, does it come back up? |
| 14:01.15 | garo | hoxu: just a lenny |
| 14:01.35 | abrotman | a lot of work for a minor annoyance |
| 14:01.47 | liable | its a valid complaint |
| 14:01.53 | foobar8` | (maybe avahi?) |
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| 14:01.56 | abrotman | not really |
| 14:01.58 | hoxu | garo, is there a functional problem? If not, I fail to see why you can't write "ifconfig wlan0" if that's what you want to see |
| 14:02.03 | liable | it shouldn't show up from what he has in that file |
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| 14:02.49 | Dewi | god I wish I had so few problems with my computers. |
| 14:02.50 | liable | foobar8`: even avahi shouldnt set it as its not auto in interfaces |
| 14:02.57 | abrotman | Dewi: stop running fedora |
| 14:03.00 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 14:03.26 | Dewi | abrotman: that machine has been soldiering on for years. Which probably means it will be next |
| 14:04.46 | garo | ifconfig eth1 down and restarting networking just gives me lo in the ifconfig |
| 14:04.54 | liable | right |
| 14:04.59 | liable | as it should |
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| 14:05.28 | liable | if you reboot and get eth1 in ifconfig output, you have some other program doing it |
| 14:05.31 | skxpl | how much disk space I need for debian (with KDE) installation? |
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| 14:05.53 | pinto3 | probably want 500 mb's at least for kde |
| 14:06.03 | pinto3 | it's pretty big and probably consumes alot of temp files and stuff |
| 14:06.34 | skxpl | so 2-3 GBs is more than enough? |
| 14:06.39 | pinto3 | should be |
| 14:06.42 | skxpl | thanks |
| 14:06.43 | garo | what i also find strange is the following in dmesg: udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 14:06.45 | liable | for /? |
| 14:06.52 | garo | why does the kernel do that ? |
| 14:06.57 | skxpl | for everything except /home |
| 14:06.59 | Dewi | garo: you don't have an eth0? |
| 14:07.04 | hoxu | !tell garo about z25 |
| 14:07.05 | garo | no, |
| 14:07.11 | liable | !tell garo about z25 |
| 14:07.12 | pinto3 | also on debian, you might want to put your /var/dpkg related directory onto it's own partition if you're doing it that way |
| 14:07.14 | garo | only lo, eth1 and wlan0 |
| 14:07.22 | hoxu | !hug liable |
| 14:07.22 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around liable |
| 14:07.24 | pinto3 | cause packages being installed get tossed in there |
| 14:08.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | do any stable filesystems on debian (ideally ext3) support compression? |
| 14:08.33 | skxpl | thanks again |
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| 14:08.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | i have a 120gb disc, and i'm hoping to squeze as much as posible onto it |
| 14:08.51 | Dewi | Kamping_Kaiser: xfs does compression doesn't it? |
| 14:09.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dewi, xfs? i'll check, thanks |
| 14:09.13 | garo | hm... probably has something to do with it... and if not , i'll still finally have a eth0... |
| 14:09.32 | Dewi | Kamping_Kaiser: wikipedia says I'm remembering wrongly |
| 14:09.40 | liable | you can just delete that file and reboot |
| 14:09.51 | liable | and it will be eth0, just edit interfaces |
| 14:10.03 | liable | or reload your module |
| 14:10.14 | liable | but still edit interfaces! |
| 14:10.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dewi, ah well (thats where i was headed to find out myself). i'll have a bit of a search |
| 14:10.24 | garo | i'm gonna change everything from eth1 to eth0 on the system, syl |
| 14:10.46 | Dewi | eyes fsck warily. |
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| 14:11.00 | Dewi | oh how I hate you, fsck |
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| 14:11.19 | liable | well, when you interupt it, no wonder bad things happen! |
| 14:11.33 | Dewi | liable: my RAM was playing up |
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| 14:11.39 | Dewi | liable: not an ideal time for it to automatically start |
| 14:11.39 | hoxu | !facepalm Dewi |
| 14:11.40 | dpkg | Dewi: http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2241/facepalm2ic7copyrl2.jpg |
| 14:12.15 | Dewi | liable: but that's the great thing about fsck - multiple reboots close together is the time you *REALLY* don't want it to run, and that is when it will run |
| 14:12.38 | Dewi | "looks like you've got a problem with your system! here, let me make it worse!" |
| 14:12.53 | liable | Dewi: if you know you are going to run into that problem, you can always set the value different |
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| 14:13.29 | Dewi | god, how much RAM does it need? |
| 14:13.46 | Dewi | I interrupted it, so the next time I wrote to /home it journal aborted |
| 14:13.50 | Dewi | and now my system can't boot |
| 14:13.54 | Dewi | and I don't have enough RAM to fsck /home |
| 14:14.09 | Dewi | so... I guess my machine has irrevocably broken itself, for nothing |
| 14:14.46 | hoxu | Dewi, so... what branch are you running again? :p |
| 14:14.50 | Dewi | hoxu: stable |
| 14:14.57 | liable | it wont boot because /home is baulked? |
| 14:15.02 | hoxu | Dewi, oh darn, I was so expecting we can add to the list... |
| 14:15.09 | liable | you should get a root login |
| 14:15.20 | Dewi | liable: I can get to root login |
| 14:15.26 | Dewi | liable: I just can't fully boot |
| 14:15.48 | liable | Dewi: backups? |
| 14:16.07 | Dewi | liable: that's what I was trying to check |
| 14:16.11 | liable | i hate saying that, because i am one of the 98% that doesnt keep them |
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| 14:16.35 | Dewi | liable: I have terabytes of backups on this machine, but they are on aging disks that need regular checking |
| 14:16.46 | Dewi | liable: but something or other always fails and it turns into a clusterfuck |
| 14:16.50 | rocketmagnet | hi, when i have python2.4 and 2.5 installed, how can i install modules for 2.5 instead of 2.4 ? for example wxpython |
| 14:17.03 | liable | Dewi: sounds like fun.. *not* |
| 14:17.10 | rocketmagnet | i need it for 2.5, but it's installed for 2.4 |
| 14:17.36 | liable | Dewi: tell your boss you will kill his firstborn unless you get new hardware! |
| 14:17.50 | hoxu | !linus' advice on backups |
| 14:17.50 | dpkg | "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds, 1996-07-20 |
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| 14:18.23 | liable | yeah, well, when all you do is write kernels, thats a fine plan :P |
| 14:18.25 | Dewi | liable: heh, this one is my fault |
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| 14:21.24 | liable | hmm, what happened to pringles dude |
| 14:21.58 | liable | !seen IeatPringles |
| 14:21.58 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ieatpringles', liable |
| 14:22.03 | liable | meh |
| 14:22.35 | Dewi | liable: oh, the reason I can't boot is that /etc/default has gone shroedinger's |
| 14:22.54 | liable | that will do it i guess |
| 14:22.54 | Dewi | liable: (it's not missing but it's not there either, so it's easier if you don't look) |
| 14:23.16 | Dewi | didn't see any errors on root... but I guess something went wrong there at some point |
| 14:23.29 | garo | nice, my eth1 is now eth0... but is it normal that the kernel still calls it eth1 for a couple of seconds ? (In dmesg i see "udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1" and +-100 rules later "udev: renamed network interface eth1 to eth0" |
| 14:23.53 | liable | garo: what did you do to fix it? |
| 14:24.15 | garo | changed eth1 to eth0 in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:25.41 | Dewi | garo: maybe you only changed the second thing that messes with nic numbering |
| 14:25.42 | liable | garo: did you add another rule or modify the existing? just delete that file and reload your iface module |
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| 14:25.55 | garo | modify, i don't mention eth1 anywhere |
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| 14:26.48 | Dewi | garo: call me crazy, but could something else want to be called eth0? so that it has to be moved out of the way? |
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| 14:26.52 | liable | well, delete it, or paste the file somewhere. but really, just delete it and reboot |
| 14:27.14 | Dewi | recommends deleting large parts of /etc also, it makes things feel "clean" |
| 14:27.18 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 14:27.22 | Dewi | night, guys! |
| 14:27.28 | liable | such as default? |
| 14:27.36 | Dewi | liable: what an excellent suggestion! |
| 14:27.39 | garo | i grep-ed everyting in /etc for eth1 |
| 14:27.53 | Dewi | liable: omg liable I just did what you said and it broke my computer! |
| 14:28.16 | Dewi | liable: now *I* feel blameless and can go happily to sleep |
| 14:28.17 | liable | Dewi: lollerskates, i also have your root password now! muahaha |
| 14:28.20 | Dewi | liable: thanks man |
| 14:28.45 | liable | always here to help |
| 14:28.54 | liable | anyone else need shit deleted? |
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| 14:30.27 | pinto3 | i installed an o/s which grub says is still windows, i thought that's pretty cool |
| 14:30.38 | pinto3 | good thing about windows is it did the disk geometry for me |
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| 14:38.31 | tural | hi |
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| 14:39.59 | ]Josh[ | how can i span a tar archive without prompting |
| 14:40.09 | ]Josh[ | I have to archive 140 mb in two files via a cron job |
| 14:40.21 | pinto3 | you guys should put some default commented out rules in /etc/sudoers, it's error-prone and stuff to figure out the syntax from scratch |
| 14:40.32 | kekko | is there a plugin/player that will immediately show any video content uploaded by the user? |
| 14:40.39 | Dewi | pinto3: it does |
| 14:40.40 | asg | pinto3: the syntax is exhaustively commented with full examples in the manpage |
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| 14:41.01 | kekko | ups wrong channel |
| 14:41.01 | Dewi | pinto3: or rather, start by copying the root one |
| 14:41.02 | pinto3 | oh, i only have one rule in there |
| 14:41.11 | pinto3 | rest is sections with nothing in them |
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| 14:41.16 | pinto3 | i'll check it out though |
| 14:41.26 | Dewi | pinto3: and use the man page for more complicated stuff |
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| 14:43.21 | crazyfrog | after boot my computer,i immediately run the "tcpdump" command,i get many strange records.my computer stand alone,i have no LAN.have my computer compromised? |
| 14:43.36 | zythmer | pinto3: Use visudo for basic syntax/sanity checks. |
| 14:44.05 | pinto3 | alright, i never had an error in one before, so i didn't know it did things like that |
| 14:44.11 | pinto3 | thought it was more of a locking mechanism |
| 14:44.16 | crazyfrog | the records of tcpdump :http://rafb.net/p/utgdEv19.html |
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| 14:44.30 | zythmer | It is, but it also does some syntax checking. |
| 14:44.56 | crazyfrog | who can help me? thanks |
| 14:45.22 | micols | anybody having successfully set up a pxe boot , i got a logfile i need help with? |
| 14:45.54 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know an command line MP3 player? |
| 14:46.08 | asg | HardDisk_WP: mpd + mpc is a great combo |
| 14:46.18 | pinto3 | there's xmms2 too |
| 14:46.27 | HardDisk_WP | it supports commandline-only? |
| 14:47.06 | asg | HardDisk_WP: mpd is a daemon. mpc is the cli client. There are also web, gtk, and other clients to interact with mpd if you like. |
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| 14:47.08 | Maliuta | HardDisk_WP: 2 does, it's a client/server model |
| 14:47.08 | Dewi | HardDisk_WP: mpg123 , madplay ? |
| 14:47.21 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 14:47.24 | zythmer | HardDisk_WP: I use moc. |
| 14:47.25 | Dewi | HardDisk_WP: they are basic though, not user-experience apps |
| 14:47.33 | Maliuta | HardDisk_WP: only mp3's? not ogg, flac and other formats |
| 14:48.10 | HardDisk_WP | Maliuta, yes, only mp3s |
| 14:48.30 | Maliuta | HardDisk_WP: ewww, get some decent quality sound :P |
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| 14:49.46 | asg | Maliuta: Country sounds bad no matter the format |
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| 14:50.21 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:50.38 | Maliuta | asg: I wouldn't know |
| 14:50.50 | DexterF | trying to create a software raid5 array I get this: # mdadm -C -v -n3 -l5 -x0 /dev/sd[bcd]1 |
| 14:50.52 | DexterF | mdadm: You haven't given enough devices (real or missing) to create this array |
| 14:50.55 | HardDisk_WP | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 14:50.55 | HardDisk_WP | alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:543:(snd_pcm_hw_prepare) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_PREPARE failed: Broken pipe |
| 14:50.55 | HardDisk_WP | alsa-init: unable to set hw-parameters: Broken pipe |
| 14:50.57 | HardDisk_WP | ?! |
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| 14:51.00 | liable | 22:46 < kirberich> the eee is quite hot anyway, turning off the fan doesn't seem to make a big difference |
| 14:51.03 | pinto3 | you guys need to check out some Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson :) |
| 14:51.05 | HardDisk_WP | oh |
| 14:51.07 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 14:51.08 | liable | oops |
| 14:51.12 | HardDisk_WP | but why then does Alsamixer detect my card?! |
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| 14:51.27 | crazyfrog | after boot my computer,i immediately run the "tcpdump" command,i get many strange records.my computer stand alone,i have no LAN.have my computer compromised?who can help me? |
| 14:51.44 | asg | crazyfrog: which of those IP addresses is yours? |
| 14:51.54 | DexterF | crazyfrog: perfectly possible there are local services on your computer only a locla client accesses |
| 14:52.13 | DexterF | *local |
| 14:52.26 | crazyfrog | i will post my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:52.49 | DexterF | so about the array: 3 drives is enough for raid5 without spares - why wouldn't it create that one? |
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| 14:53.40 | the_sniff | hey |
| 14:53.52 | the_sniff | I have high loads which seem to be caused by high swapping |
| 14:53.56 | the_sniff | how can i find out the source? |
| 14:54.28 | asg | the_sniff: start by seeing which process(s) are using the most memory with top(1) |
| 14:54.39 | Eulex | crazyfrog, what interface is tcpdump listening at? |
| 14:54.50 | crazyfrog | http://rafb.net/p/jLHWMf95.html |
| 14:54.56 | the_sniff | asg: i don't see anything suspicious |
| 14:55.20 | the_sniff | how can i see the total memory usage for apache? |
| 14:55.21 | crazyfrog | Eulex : i just run " tcpdump" |
| 14:55.46 | Eulex | crazyfrog, and tcpdump outputs what interface it is listening to. |
| 14:55.53 | asg | the_sniff: use top and it's various filters (or ps | grep) |
| 14:56.17 | the_sniff | asg: i can see about 100 process with 30-40mb of ram |
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| 14:56.28 | the_sniff | but i was once told that this is shared memory |
| 14:56.40 | the_sniff | and it doesn't mean that apache uses 4GB of ram |
| 14:56.58 | crazyfrog | Eulex :eth0 |
| 14:56.59 | asg | the_sniff: right, most is shared but not all. |
| 14:57.30 | Eulex | crazyfrog, could you give us an excerpt of the log? |
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| 14:58.09 | the_sniff | asg so how can i tell if it's apache going nuts? |
| 14:58.21 | asg | the_sniff: stop apache |
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| 14:58.53 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 14:58.56 | the_sniff | asuming that it is apache |
| 14:59.04 | the_sniff | should i limit the amount of processes? |
| 14:59.17 | asg | the_sniff: find out if it's the issue first |
| 14:59.19 | crazyfrog | Eulex:http://rafb.net/p/utgdEv19.html |
| 14:59.22 | the_sniff | bah! 500 apache processes wtf |
| 14:59.28 | asg | the_sniff: also, are you using mod_perl or mod_python or php or something? |
| 14:59.29 | the_sniff | asg: it seems so |
| 14:59.34 | liable | must be a popular site |
| 14:59.35 | the_sniff | asg: using php |
| 14:59.53 | the_sniff | liable: you mean me? yeah it has around 500k users a month |
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| 15:00.01 | Maliuta | apache is an "interesting" thing to tune |
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| 15:00.25 | asg | like playing Russian Roulette |
| 15:00.27 | garotosopa | Is there a way to select a package to install on aptitude but forcing the Recommended packages to NOT be installed? |
| 15:00.34 | Maliuta | if you are using dynamic stuff you really need to profile your apps for memory usage |
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| 15:01.23 | the_sniff | Maliuta: i'd guess so, but how? |
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| 15:02.31 | Maliuta | I tend to put them into a staging environment and watch something like htop while they are running. If you know how to read it you get a fairly decent idea on what normal usage is |
| 15:02.46 | Maliuta | you need to watch resident memory not shared |
| 15:03.09 | pinto3 | garotosopa - you could maybe download only the package then use dpkg and ignore dependencies with its options |
| 15:03.18 | asg | the_sniff: you could also graph memory vs apache hits using snmp + rrdtool and then correlate times and spikes against which parts of your site get hit and when. |
| 15:03.56 | garotosopa | pinto3, right. thanks. |
| 15:03.56 | Maliuta | php stuff can be mapped with one of the commercially available profilers |
| 15:04.03 | cizzi | \amethyst - you around? |
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| 15:04.10 | asg | garotosopa: or use aptitude -R |
| 15:04.12 | the_sniff | asg: that sounds too complicated and not that certain |
| 15:04.25 | the_sniff | Maliuta: any good examples for a good profiler? |
| 15:04.31 | zythmer | garotosopa: It's an option in aptitude to automatically install recommends. |
| 15:04.53 | Maliuta | the_sniff: check out the Zend stuff |
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| 15:04.59 | asg | the_sniff: either way, it'll show you memory utilization over time. If something is leaky, you'll have a clue as to when you need to restart apache as part of a maintenance policy. |
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| 15:05.16 | Maliuta | the_sniff: Zend Platform can do it |
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| 15:05.55 | the_sniff | asg: we're using munin, thing is i cant see what is taking all the memory |
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| 15:06.24 | garotosopa | the man says "This corresponds to the pair of configuration options Aptitude::Recommends-Important and Aptitude::Keep-Recommends." How am I suppose to configure this options? |
| 15:06.31 | Bushmills | munin may be a simpler way to graph mem use, of used, also of committed mem. |
| 15:06.37 | asg | garotosopa: or just use aptitude -R ... |
| 15:06.42 | Bushmills | plus more apache specific things too. |
| 15:06.53 | garotosopa | ok. |
| 15:06.57 | rhineheart_m | my clamav detected that my server has 4 infected files.. well, my concern this time if it is really realible? |
| 15:07.34 | Deezire | huh, someone tried to root me. |
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| 15:07.48 | asg | Deezire: did they succeed? |
| 15:07.53 | Deezire | Ofcourse not ;) |
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| 15:08.07 | Maliuta | Deezire: not something you want to say in .au :) |
| 15:08.08 | Deezire | Had 100 loginattmepts/seconds |
| 15:08.18 | Deezire | Maliuta: Huh? |
| 15:08.38 | Eulex | Deezire, that's very common. you could try using fail2ban. |
| 15:08.41 | asg | Deezire: that's pretty normal for any ssh that's accessible via the net |
| 15:08.45 | Maliuta | Deezire: root is aussie slang for sex ... i.e. "I got a root last night" |
| 15:09.05 | asg | hah, nice |
| 15:09.50 | Maliuta | so someone trying to "root" you has different conotations |
| 15:10.20 | Deezire | asg: Yeah, but i had so many logins per second that sshd almost died. |
| 15:10.29 | Deezire | Got unexpected errors and stuff. |
| 15:10.37 | Deezire | Maliuta: Haha :p |
| 15:10.52 | Deezire | setting up the server to listen to one adress from now on. |
| 15:11.16 | Maliuta | you could also put it on a different port if it's that big an issue |
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| 15:11.34 | the_sniff | assuming i can't but zend profiler |
| 15:11.40 | the_sniff | whats the next best choice? :p |
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| 15:11.58 | Niklas- | Hi. I just installed Debian Testing with a 4disk raid-1 setup, with 3x750gb disk (missing the last one, it was DOA), but the available disk space is only 750gb. Does 4 disk in raid-1 make it a double mirror, or is something wrong with the raid guided setup? |
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| 15:12.12 | crazyfrog | Eulex:is there any problem ?i pasted another excerpt of log http://rafb.net/p/m7yqmw64.html |
| 15:12.40 | the_sniff | Niklas-: IIRC that's the disk space you should have with RAID1 |
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| 15:13.17 | roxazer | i got an file system check error that tells me to manually run fsck and do a file check or whatever it is. "/dev/hda1: unexpected inconsistency; run fsck manually - fsck died with exit status 4" and more, how do i fix this? |
| 15:13.19 | Niklas- | I |
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| 15:14.20 | Niklas- | Like, all 4 disks with the same content as one big mirror? |
| 15:14.21 | Niklas- | I |
| 15:14.24 | vvo | my dell-1400 internal mic doesn't work with lenny, is there anybody using 1400 have solved it? |
| 15:14.28 | the_sniff | Niklas- yeah |
| 15:14.32 | Maliuta | the_sniff: something liek Xdebug might help |
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| 15:14.53 | the_sniff | Maliuta: isn't it a graphic thingie? i want something to run on apache |
| 15:15.36 | Maliuta | you add xdebug to the php.ini and it embeds info into the page returns. you can do all sorts of stuff with it |
| 15:15.50 | Maliuta | I only ever provided it to devs, not used it |
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| 15:16.17 | Maliuta | but theoretically it should let you see memory usage of different scripts |
| 15:16.20 | Niklas- | Crap, not what ive read before i did the installation :(. Is there a way to make it mirror 2x2disk, so i will have the double space? |
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| 15:17.47 | Bushmills | the_sniff: creating plugins for munin is pretty simple - adding one which graphs mem use of all processes isn't a big deal. |
| 15:18.04 | Maliuta | the_sniff: there was another zend like package out there, I can't remeber what it was though |
| 15:18.06 | the_sniff | Bushmills: got a link for that? |
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| 15:18.29 | the_sniff | Maliuta thanks, it isn't expected to make an impact on performance, right? |
| 15:18.40 | Bushmills | the_sniff: what script- or programming language can you use? |
| 15:18.53 | elik | Hello, I just updated my Debian Lenny and it updated openssl. At the end of the update, it asked me what services it should restart, with default to ssh and exim4 (I don't remember if exim4 was updated itself and don't know how to check). Since then, /etc/init.d/exim4 start yields errors, complaining about arguments |
| 15:18.54 | Maliuta | well I wouldn't run Xdebug in a production environment |
| 15:18.55 | the_sniff | yeah, some sort of a manual for writing scripts for munin |
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| 15:19.17 | Bushmills | bash scripts ok? |
| 15:19.18 | bj1 | why can i only select 60hz for resolution in gnome? |
| 15:19.20 | the_sniff | Maliuta: well it is a production environment, and that's what i need to profile since it only happens on the production server |
| 15:19.25 | Maliuta | you don't profile apps in a production env |
| 15:19.32 | asg | bj1: do you have an LCD monitor? |
| 15:19.34 | Deezire | Is it weird to get exited when someone tries to root you? I felt .. noticed. |
| 15:19.36 | bj1 | asg: no |
| 15:19.37 | the_sniff | Bushmills: i don't do bash :p php would be cool |
| 15:19.38 | elik | bj1: lcd or crt? |
| 15:19.48 | bj1 | 17" crt |
| 15:19.49 | enouf | bj1: xrandr shows it's avail at your res? |
| 15:19.49 | elik | bj1, nvm |
| 15:20.15 | bj1 | enouf: dont knwo what xrandr is, ill google it |
| 15:20.22 | the_sniff | Maliuta: so how do i see whats causing the problems? i don't want to see what needs optimization, cause fixing all the websites would take forever since they were written... well... you know |
| 15:20.27 | enouf | !installit |
| 15:20.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 15:20.53 | the_sniff | slaps enouf with a ëà ôú shtut |
| 15:20.57 | the_sniff | whats up m8? |
| 15:21.10 | iateadonut | i have an intel chipset: 82801G for my audio - the funny thing is that if i pull the headphones out and put them back in real quick, sound is disabled completely. it should be disabled on the speakers and come on the headphones, but it cuts off completely. |
| 15:21.14 | Maliuta | the_sniff: a) don't use php for maintenance scripts. b) do enough testing at the development and staging parts of the code cycle |
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| 15:22.12 | enouf | xbase-clients: /usr/bin/xrandr (here) |
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| 15:22.29 | the_sniff | Maliuta: i know that's how it is ment to work, but the fact is i have a halfway dead production server and i need to find out what's causing it so i'd fix the production server |
| 15:22.37 | Maliuta | the_sniff: and if it's that critical to your business buying something like Zend Platform, which will do all the hard work detectign slow scripts and memory hogs for you is more than worth it |
| 15:22.39 | enouf | the_sniff: yo, how's your bootey? |
| 15:23.06 | the_sniff | Maliuta: yeah but i need to find an immidiate solution |
| 15:23.07 | liable | i just poished my boots, the look pretty good. |
| 15:23.10 | the_sniff | enouf: bootey? :p |
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| 15:23.25 | asg | john big boote |
| 15:23.26 | Maliuta | the_sniff: there is no immediate fix |
| 15:23.41 | liable | small boot in my case :( |
| 15:23.51 | liable | +e |
| 15:24.06 | enouf | baby got back |
| 15:24.10 | Maliuta | the_sniff: in all likelyhood you have poorly written code causing the problem, most php devs don't understand how to control memory properly with it |
| 15:24.21 | the_sniff | Maliuta: if i can find the naughty website then take if off the server i consider it an immidiate sulotion |
| 15:24.38 | liable | enouf: you listening to a dianne summers record by chance? |
| 15:24.41 | the_sniff | Maliuta: i'd say most web developers, but that's another story :p |
| 15:24.59 | enouf | not quite :-P |
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| 15:25.22 | the_sniff | enouf: oh you mean arse? ; |
| 15:25.23 | Maliuta | the_sniff: have you tried getting any information out of mod_info? or mod_status? how about comparisons of mod_log_forensic and normal logs? |
| 15:25.23 | the_sniff | :p |
| 15:25.26 | elik | I just updated my Debian Lenny and it updated openssl. At the end of the update, it asked me what services it should restart, with default to ssh and exim4. Since then, /etc/init.d/exim4 start yields errors, complaining about arguments |
| 15:25.27 | asg | sir enoufs alot |
| 15:25.43 | asg | elik: are you going to pastebin the errors somewhere? |
| 15:25.46 | the_sniff | Maliuta: mod status just shows that all slots are full. whats mod_info? |
| 15:25.55 | elik | asg, just saying wrong arguments |
| 15:25.56 | enouf | joins asg in the pub |
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| 15:26.10 | Maliuta | the_sniff: you're not very experienced with apache are you? |
| 15:26.12 | elik | but exim4 was not updated itself |
| 15:26.16 | the_sniff | Maliuta: nope |
| 15:26.18 | petemc | elik: thats a known issue, you can work around it by startign exim manually, exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 15:26.34 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:26.36 | Maliuta | the_sniff: do you have the extended status turned on |
| 15:26.36 | asg | elik: if it's a known issue, the BTS should have a bug listing for it |
| 15:26.37 | the_sniff | mod info is enabled |
| 15:26.41 | the_sniff | yes |
| 15:26.47 | enouf | elik: try maybe dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. man update-exim<tab><tab> |
| 15:26.53 | enouf | oh |
| 15:27.04 | elik | enouf, does it still stand? |
| 15:27.05 | enouf | goes and eats |
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| 15:27.14 | enouf | elik: no idea |
| 15:27.20 | petemc | that wont help |
| 15:27.20 | asg | has a pre-lunch beer |
| 15:27.24 | Maliuta | the_sniff: it should tell you what the request is. if you're not getting that you need to install mod_log_forensic and look at the log pre-proccessing when all the slots are full |
| 15:27.55 | Maliuta | the_sniff: compared to the normal log (which is post processing) that should yield your culprit |
| 15:28.01 | elik | petemc, any way I can fix that in the startup script? |
| 15:28.17 | petemc | elik: not sure, its an issue with lsb-base iirc, check the bts |
| 15:28.39 | liable | asg: might as well say breakfast whiskey.. |
| 15:28.40 | Maliuta | the_sniff: mod_info will give you all sorts of information on the server installation and configuration |
| 15:28.53 | the_sniff | Maliuta i see the requests, and it all seems normal. it all appears like normal high loads which would probably require more ram. but since the server becomes unavailable i thought that some scripts take too long to finish |
| 15:28.58 | elik | petemc, eh, k, I'll look it up |
| 15:28.58 | asg | liable: not my bag |
| 15:29.07 | liable | huh? |
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| 15:29.20 | asg | not a whisky fan |
| 15:29.21 | Bushmills | the_sniff: take this one as an example for a simple munin plugin - this one only graphs the number of users over time. |
| 15:29.24 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin/users |
| 15:29.43 | Maliuta | the_sniff: if you need to profile scripts properly you are going to need something like Zend Platform, not 2 ways about it |
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| 15:29.46 | liable | i think i need to get jiggy with the language thats going down in the ole channeh at the moh |
| 15:29.50 | Maliuta | the_sniff: it's that simple |
| 15:30.27 | Maliuta | the_sniff: "server becomes unavailable" means it's hitting MaxClients? |
| 15:30.32 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 15:30.48 | the_sniff | and the slots aren't emptied fast enough for other requests to be processed |
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| 15:31.03 | the_sniff | as far as i see it it's a legit heavy load |
| 15:31.04 | liable | asg: i consider myself not an alcoholic also on the argument that i only drink beer :) |
| 15:31.12 | the_sniff | but i just want to make sure that this is the issue |
| 15:31.17 | the_sniff | Bushmills thanks |
| 15:31.22 | Maliuta | the_sniff: and you can't see what is being processed when it's at MaxClients, get mod_log_forensic onto it |
| 15:31.51 | Maliuta | at least that will tell you what requests are filling those slots |
| 15:32.08 | the_sniff | i can see whats getting processed... and i do see it's hitting the max limit, i'd guess it's like mysql with the root user |
| 15:32.20 | Maliuta | the_sniff: you're sure this isn't someone pulling a SYN attack on you? |
| 15:32.50 | asg | liable: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/churchsign.jpg |
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| 15:33.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:33.12 | jeet | back |
| 15:33.22 | liable | hah! |
| 15:33.23 | Maliuta | the_sniff: if it's at MaxClients you shouldn't be able to get a connection for mod_status info, if you could you'd know which vhost was causing the problem |
| 15:33.41 | liable | asg: i seen the light! amen! |
| 15:33.46 | asg | bravo |
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| 15:34.15 | elik | petemc, yup, it's in the bts |
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| 15:34.24 | the_sniff | Maliuta: im sure it's hittint the limit and i see it. and i'm pretty sure it isn't a SYN attack cause it gets high swaps and the b/w monitor doesn't show anything excessive |
| 15:34.33 | liable | asg: good work :) |
| 15:34.35 | the_sniff | MaxClients 500 |
| 15:34.36 | the_sniff | MaxRequestsPerChild 4000 |
| 15:34.44 | the_sniff | that's probably server r*pe right? |
| 15:34.55 | asg | liable: hours of fun. |
| 15:35.04 | Maliuta | the_sniff: 500 seems high, how much ram is in the machine? |
| 15:35.27 | Maliuta | the_sniff: and please tell me that it's just apache on that machine |
| 15:35.56 | Maliuta | the_sniff: if it's doing more than apache then you are going to have issues trying to tune it properly |
| 15:36.08 | elik | petemc, but it's not in lsb-base but in exim4-base |
| 15:36.08 | the_sniff | 4GB of ram and no there's also a DB/postfix server on it, it's going to be seperated (i came into a poor arch, don't blame it on me :P) |
| 15:36.19 | Maliuta | ultimately you don't want your webserver swapping ... ever |
| 15:36.43 | the_sniff | yeah i'd guess that much |
| 15:36.54 | the_sniff | would lowering the MaxClient not slow the response times? |
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| 15:37.04 | the_sniff | and isn't MaxRequestsPerChild too h8igh? |
| 15:37.04 | Maliuta | right, so what steps have you taken to limit the DB and postfix memory usage? |
| 15:37.13 | Maliuta | no |
| 15:37.20 | Maliuta | niether of those will have an effect |
| 15:37.40 | Bushmills | the_sniff: when you're using munin already, you probably also run the mem plugin ... checked the cyan line, showing committed mem, being much above physical RAM? |
| 15:37.41 | the_sniff | niether of which? MaxClients and MaxRequestsPerChild? |
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| 15:37.52 | micols | anybody with experience installing boot via pxe ? |
| 15:38.10 | the_sniff | Bushmills: that server isn't running munin i forgot, it's running cacti |
| 15:38.14 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m439eea6d |
| 15:38.25 | micols | i keep getting TFTP open timeout |
| 15:38.30 | petemc | elik: http://bugs.debian.org/477194 |
| 15:38.38 | micols | even though i run it as standalone tftpd-hpa and no firewall on server |
| 15:38.46 | micols | it gets dhcp fine |
| 15:39.01 | Bushmills | micols: can you connect to tftpd manually, using a the tftp client? |
| 15:39.08 | Maliuta | the_sniff: are you using keepalives? |
| 15:39.09 | micols | yes Bushmills but i get timeout too |
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| 15:39.36 | elik | petemc, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477562 |
| 15:39.49 | rhineheart_m | where can I find a how to mod_evasive in debian etch? I tried googling.. but I can't locate.. thansk..:) |
| 15:39.56 | Bushmills | micols: what port have you opened for tftpd on the server? |
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| 15:40.02 | the_sniff | Maliuta appears so. i'm not actually administering the server it's an outside firm since i have to much work to do so i didn't install it |
| 15:40.21 | the_sniff | the maxkeepalive is at 800 |
| 15:40.36 | Maliuta | the_sniff: MaxClients will effect memory usage overall. But I doubt this is an issue with apache, I think it's a non-responsive script |
| 15:40.59 | the_sniff | not afaik |
| 15:41.08 | Maliuta | the_sniff: you could turn down the keep alive |
| 15:41.08 | the_sniff | since there are no maintnance scripts runing |
| 15:41.10 | micols | Bushmills: tftp> get pxelinux.0 |
| 15:41.18 | micols | Bushmills: just returns nothing, and status in tftp seems ok |
| 15:41.26 | Maliuta | the_sniff: php script |
| 15:41.33 | micols | Bushmills: if i get another file it says file not found so seems ok |
| 15:41.34 | the_sniff | yeah i know |
| 15:41.46 | the_sniff | i mean, most of them are just plain search stuff |
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| 15:41.52 | micols | Bushmills: i havnt opened any ports as i dont use firewall |
| 15:41.53 | the_sniff | which don't take more than 5s at most |
| 15:42.02 | Bushmills | 'k |
| 15:42.11 | Maliuta | the_sniff: it's a non-responsive php script. probably something with a big DB return or a hanging db session |
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| 15:42.46 | the_sniff | Maliuta: i know it seems so, but this was already tested with mysql slow query/no index log |
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| 15:42.55 | the_sniff | that doesn't seem like the issue |
| 15:43.01 | the_sniff | that's why i think its just a legit high load |
| 15:43.05 | the_sniff | but im not 100% certain |
| 15:43.18 | Maliuta | the_sniff: If I were you I'd start by limiting postfix to less than 500MB, the DB to 2GB and apache to 1GB |
| 15:43.37 | Maliuta | the_sniff: that would stop the swapping |
| 15:44.29 | the_sniff | how would i limit apache? whats the setting? and what would a user see when it hits the limit? |
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| 15:45.03 | Bushmills | micols: permissions of tftp dir, and pxelinux.0 such that they are readable by tftpd? |
| 15:45.19 | Maliuta | the_sniff: then I would install mod_log_forensic and wait for the thing to hit MaxClients, then the last n entries in the forensic log are the requests being processed when the thing stops responding |
| 15:45.35 | micols | Bushmills: 755 recursive |
| 15:45.45 | Maliuta | the_sniff: you need to set MaxClients to something sane |
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| 15:46.37 | Maliuta | the_sniff: generally I use (TotalMem-30)/(Average_App_Mem_Usage) |
| 15:46.38 | the_sniff | Maliuta: like? :p |
| 15:46.41 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:46.49 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 15:46.57 | Maliuta | the_sniff: but you need to be able to make a good guess at what memory the app is using |
| 15:47.06 | the_sniff | Maliuta: whats the 30 im that equasion? |
| 15:47.10 | karmatronic | anyone used kvpnc to settel an openswan connection with xauth |
| 15:47.11 | Maliuta | 30MB |
| 15:47.12 | karmatronic | ? |
| 15:47.23 | the_sniff | why -30 then? |
| 15:47.28 | Maliuta | the_sniff: that's what I allow for apache overhead |
| 15:47.37 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:47.38 | the_sniff | well |
| 15:47.51 | Maliuta | TotalMem being the amount of memory I want to give to apache |
| 15:47.54 | elik | petemc, yeah, yours is better :) |
| 15:48.29 | Maliuta | the_sniff: I also allow 256-500MB for system stuff |
| 15:48.51 | enouf | elik: phew, i was about to chime in the "my bug is better than yours" war |
| 15:49.43 | elik | enouf, not his bug, but the one he found describe my problem better |
| 15:49.57 | Maliuta | the_sniff: if you need someone to consult in to fix the thing I can be available :) |
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| 15:50.31 | enouf | elik: you missed the pun :-P |
| 15:50.51 | elik | enouf, but the better bugs you do, the more chances you have to make something cool |
| 15:51.11 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to install mod_evasive? |
| 15:51.12 | Bushmills | micols: does tftpd show with netstat -nlu ? |
| 15:51.25 | elik | enouf, oh, maybe... I'm french canadian, so I miss some of those once in a while |
| 15:51.29 | the_sniff | Maliuta: what "thing" ? btw what impact would lowering the MaxClients exactly have on the performance |
| 15:51.29 | the_sniff | > |
| 15:51.31 | the_sniff | ? |
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| 15:53.11 | Maliuta | the_sniff: MaxClients is the number of client connections allowed at any one time, if you have empty slots then you have spare apache processes available for new client connections, but every running apache process uses memory |
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| 15:53.38 | the_sniff | yeah i know |
| 15:53.43 | the_sniff | but that means slower response times, right? |
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| 15:53.54 | enouf | ? |
| 15:53.54 | Maliuta | the_sniff: not necesarily |
| 15:54.09 | the_sniff | how so? |
| 15:54.25 | Maliuta | the_sniff: with keepalives the client re-use the same connection for multiple files |
| 15:54.48 | the_sniff | oh |
| 15:54.58 | the_sniff | but that's not how most browsers work, or am i wrong? |
| 15:54.59 | Maliuta | the_sniff: having maxclients set too high will cause a slower response as the server swaps |
| 15:55.07 | Maliuta | wrong |
| 15:55.25 | the_sniff | Maliuta: i guessed so about the too high maxclients, just wanted to be sure im getting this right |
| 15:55.32 | Maliuta | most browers use a combination of keepalives and up to 6 concurrent connections |
| 15:55.37 | epsilon | http://www.rtfm.no/fun/pic/apt-get_wife.png |
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| 15:56.13 | micols | Bushmills: no |
| 15:56.18 | Maliuta | wonders why he does this. |
| 15:56.31 | micols | Bushmills: inetd spawns a few of them though |
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| 15:56.44 | hoxu | epsilon, exactly why I don't approve of installing recommends by default... |
| 15:56.47 | Maliuta | I should be making big $$'s consulting this stuff |
| 15:57.10 | the_sniff | Maliuta yeah consulting is fun! |
| 15:57.12 | the_sniff | :p |
| 15:57.15 | micols | damn i hate inetd services.. they never log output |
| 15:57.43 | the_sniff | I'd say it's my ideal for a job, but i still need to get more experience with heavy "real life" servers :p |
| 15:57.56 | micols | you find yourself stracing, lsof, tcpdumping in order to get output for them |
| 15:58.25 | Maliuta | the_sniff: I stopped consulting when I got sick. I just spent 2 years doing pure apache work for a company here. before that I have run a number of hosting outfits |
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| 15:58.57 | Maliuta | the_sniff: I now rate Senior Sysadmin, mainly because I can do stuff like this easily |
| 15:59.48 | the_sniff | that sounds like fun for lazy asses like me :p |
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| 16:00.08 | the_sniff | well, i'd say im not THAT bad for someone that's sysadmining for around a year :p |
| 16:00.40 | Maliuta | the_sniff: wait until you have 10 and then think hard about what your skill levels are at 1yr |
| 16:00.58 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 16:01.01 | Maliuta | the_sniff: I cringe at the thought of my skills 9 yrs ago |
| 16:01.36 | the_sniff | i have way more experience with OSs and programming, so i get the idea behind the screens, i just need to see it live more |
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| 16:02.35 | the_sniff | i wouldn't say im as good as those guys ms/apple tempts with millions but i do think i know a thing or two :o |
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| 16:04.28 | iateadonut | hi. i've been having serious problems with my sound since forever. several attempts to find something on the net have failed. |
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| 16:05.17 | iateadonut | can anyone help with the Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) |
| 16:05.46 | bj1 | where do i find a package after its been installed? |
| 16:06.04 | liable | my ich7 has been working ok for 18 months |
| 16:06.11 | the_sniff | Maliuta: do you do windows servers? |
| 16:06.15 | liable | bj1: which bit of it? |
| 16:06.16 | Maliuta | iateadonut: that chipset only has support post 2.6.23 |
| 16:06.27 | liable | iateadonut: eh? |
| 16:06.40 | liable | iateadonut: etch installs on a ich7 |
| 16:06.41 | Maliuta | the_sniff: no. I don't do windows, that shite is bad for your health |
| 16:07.10 | liable | Maliuta: ^^^ |
| 16:07.17 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 16:07.18 | liable | iateadonut: sorry |
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| 16:07.27 | bj1 | liable: the executable or whatever, i wnat to run it |
| 16:07.35 | iateadonut | so,i have to upgrade to lenny or what? |
| 16:07.39 | liable | bj1: dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:07.43 | Maliuta | liable: the audio wasn't quite supported properly until alsa 1.0.15 |
| 16:07.43 | liable | iateadonut: no |
| 16:07.51 | iateadonut | i have to wait for a new kernel? |
| 16:07.57 | iateadonut | they're on 22 now, aren't they? |
| 16:07.59 | liable | iateadonut: there is also modules for newer stuff |
| 16:07.59 | Maliuta | iateadonut: build you own |
| 16:08.16 | Maliuta | iateadonut: don't be a pussy about it |
| 16:08.20 | the_sniff | Maliuta i wouldn't say that, I for one like windows, but i've never seen a server outside an office but i do wonder |
| 16:08.22 | liable | Maliuta: my sound worked in 2.6.18 |
| 16:08.37 | liable | Maliuta: what are you talking about, it been out for two years almost |
| 16:09.16 | iateadonut | liable: 2.6.18, you have that same chipset? |
| 16:09.46 | Maliuta | liable: every ICH6/7 I've seen didn't have proper support. I know, one of my firends and I found the issue on their laptop and had to port the fix into a driver in a 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 16:10.18 | Maliuta | the_sniff: windows rots the brain. I'm a sysadmin, not a click monkey |
| 16:10.25 | iateadonut | i mean, you're running kernel 18, with the intell chipset? |
| 16:11.05 | the_sniff | Maliuta i agree it doesn't really encourges learning, but thats just for non-curious people. and they'd never do any unix stuff anyways |
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| 16:12.08 | iateadonut | i loaded up the newest module and ran alsaconf |
| 16:12.13 | liable | iateadonut: yes |
| 16:12.43 | Nyle_ | hi |
| 16:12.43 | bj1 | liable: theres a few results, what directory would you typicaly find the executable in? |
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| 16:13.17 | liable | Maliuta: i have never had problems with it. installed with etch, but upgraded to sid and iirc first real use kernel was .21 |
| 16:13.29 | liable | bj1: /bin or /sbin |
| 16:13.44 | liable | bj1: /usr/sbin most likely |
| 16:13.49 | iateadonut | liable: thanks, i'll keep searching the the keyword module |
| 16:14.01 | the_sniff | sbin means system bin? |
| 16:14.08 | bj1 | liable: nothing bin or sbin int he results :( |
| 16:14.19 | Eulex | Maliuta, my old ich6 laptop ran fine with 2.6.18 (sound too), or for the matter even 2.6.12 |
| 16:14.27 | liable | bj1: what is this program? |
| 16:14.47 | abrotman | bj1: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin .. find it |
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| 16:15.19 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone |
| 16:15.33 | bj1 | liable: gnome front end to xrandr, sorry if i cant ask intelligent questions, ive onyl just installed debian an hour or 2 ago |
| 16:15.55 | rocketmagnet | does someone know how to install python packages for a certain python version ? when i try apt-get install wxpython it only installs to 2.4 instead of 2.5 |
| 16:15.56 | liable | bj1: if its a gnome program, look in the menu |
| 16:16.04 | rocketmagnet | can i tell apt somehow to install it for 2.5 ? |
| 16:16.20 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: it's the dependency .. that's the way it's supposed to be |
| 16:16.46 | liable | bj1: i didnt think your questions werent unintelligent :) |
| 16:17.15 | liable | err, *were* :) |
| 16:17.23 | Eulex | rocketmagnet, on etch? no. |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | bj1: under the Preferences, I believe there is a Screen Resolution applet ? |
| 16:18.08 | bj1 | abrotman: thats my problem, everything int here is only on 60hz, someone said to use xrandr |
| 16:18.29 | iateadonut | liable: do you know what module to load? should i try to get it from intel or from debian repos? |
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| 16:18.53 | liable | iateadonut: snd_hda_intel |
| 16:19.05 | abrotman | bj1: that's more an issue of your driver/card/monitor |
| 16:19.49 | hoxu | Hoxzer, you don't happen to be the one who registered "hoxu" at forums.debian.net btw? :) |
| 16:19.52 | Eulex | bj1, your driver broadcasts through xrandr what resolutions/frequencies are available |
| 16:20.07 | bj1 | abrotman: can you point me inthe right direction? ive onyl just done this install and i dont really know where to go to from here |
| 16:20.18 | abrotman | bj1: for starters .. what's your video card? |
| 16:20.25 | liable | iateadonut: bed for me, address your questions to the channel. gl |
| 16:20.33 | bj1 | abrotman: gefroce4 4200ti |
| 16:20.47 | Eulex | bj1, what driver? |
| 16:21.22 | bj1 | Eulex: absolutely no idea, where might i check that |
| 16:21.26 | maligor | nvidia or nv should default to 85 for crts |
| 16:22.01 | vinc456 | my browser has froze and i would like to close down the window. Is there anything like "ctrl-alt-delete" followed by "terminate process" that I can do in Debian? |
| 16:22.07 | abrotman | maligor: and he might be using vesa |
| 16:22.12 | iateadonut | liable: thanks. what time zone ar eyou in? i've got to get to bed too. |
| 16:22.24 | hoxu | vinc456, xkill |
| 16:22.25 | maligor | abrotman, yeah, I think it's likely |
| 16:22.31 | hoxu | vinc456, and then select the window you want to kill |
| 16:22.43 | vinc456 | thanks |
| 16:22.51 | bj1 | whatever the default is, i have it |
| 16:22.54 | vinc456 | hoxu: thanks |
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| 16:23.10 | hoxu | vinc456, useful to bind that to something like ctrl-alt-esc |
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| 16:23.29 | abrotman | bj1: your X log should tell you .. /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:23.37 | vinc456 | my window manager (ratpoison) is supposed to be able to kill windows |
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| 16:23.49 | vinc456 | i'll replace whatever it was using before with xkill |
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| 16:26.27 | bj1 | abrotman: i see some stuff with mention of nvidia, any more specific of what im looking for? |
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| 16:27.00 | ehird | Why is emacs22 in stable but has no install candidate? |
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| 16:28.11 | abrotman | bj1: you can also look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. see what it says |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | ehird: it's not in etch |
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| 16:30.29 | ehird | abrotman: So why is there a package for it? |
| 16:30.38 | abrotman | isnt |
| 16:31.00 | abrotman | !info emacs22 etch |
| 16:31.10 | ehird | Package emacs22 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:31.10 | ehird | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:31.10 | ehird | is only available from another source |
| 16:31.10 | ehird | E: Package emacs22 has no installation candidate |
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| 16:31.31 | ehird | kicked for four lines |
| 16:31.34 | abrotman | !+info emacs22 etch |
| 16:31.35 | dpkg | Package 'emacs22' does not exist. |
| 16:31.36 | Bushmills | though xkill is not perfect ... usually need double checking. some processes aren't killed with the default signall, sometimes only the windows are close, but the processes live on, so you may have to escalate, -2, 1, or even -9 sometimes. just xkill and windows seems to lead to a pileup of processes meant-to-be-killed-but-aren't-completely |
| 16:32.10 | hoxu | Bushmills, yes, real men use slay -9 |
| 16:32.36 | Maliuta | hoxu: no, just kill -9 1 |
| 16:32.39 | Bushmills | hoxu, wouldn't do that right away, but keep -9 as last resort |
| 16:32.40 | vinc456 | good to know, yeah the lock file on the browser remained active |
| 16:32.44 | Maliuta | or killall -9 init |
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| 16:33.14 | abrotman | ehird: it's still not in etch .. no matter how much you want it to be |
| 16:33.31 | Maliuta | back as a student I used to logoff from the xterms with kill -9 -1 |
| 16:33.34 | ehird | abrotman: then why do I see it |
| 16:33.44 | abrotman | you odn't |
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| 16:34.27 | Bushmills | i hate it when a process refuses to start again because of, say, some stale lock file which it couldn't remove as result of kill -9 |
| 16:34.32 | bj1 | abrotman: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, under device it had identifier "nvdia ..." driver "nv" |
| 16:34.51 | abrotman | bj1: i don't know much about nvidia cards .. i'd guess yours is legacy |
| 16:34.54 | Bushmills | -9 tends to be messy |
| 16:35.40 | ehird | abrotman: I do |
| 16:35.45 | abrotman | you do not |
| 16:35.51 | bj1 | abrotman: how would i go about installing a different driver, or updating this one?, is it int he package manager? |
| 16:35.57 | Maliuta | Bushmills: if you can't handle the mess don't use -9 |
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| 16:36.10 | abrotman | bj1: first thing is to find out if it's legacy or standard |
| 16:36.24 | Maliuta | Bushmills: it's like if you can't deal with stuff breaking don't use testing/unstable |
| 16:36.47 | Bushmills | bullshit |
| 16:36.47 | Maliuta | stuff will break, know how to fix it |
| 16:36.48 | bj1 | abrotman: i wont bother you with what seems to be very basic stuff, il try my hand at google |
| 16:36.57 | abrotman | bj1: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 16:38.46 | Bushmills | Maliuta: may i misunderstood. when you say "you", do you refer to "me" or to "people in general"? |
| 16:38.49 | Bushmills | maybe |
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| 16:43.42 | Maliuta | Bushmills: people in general |
| 16:43.42 | ludolpif | Hi. A question abour Debian 4.0 stable, Xen and NAT. |
| 16:43.42 | ludolpif | My DomU are accessible only during 1 minute (from exterior, as well as from Dom0) |
| 16:44.13 | Maliuta | Bushmills: not being personal ... if I was I would remind you that single malt scotch whisky is superior to irish whisky ;P |
| 16:44.55 | Bushmills | Maliuta: there is irish single malt too |
| 16:45.09 | Maliuta | Scotch :) |
| 16:45.11 | Bushmills | difference to scotch is, destilled thrice, instead of twice only |
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| 16:45.22 | Bushmills | therefore tendentially smoother |
| 16:45.34 | Maliuta | is a single malt fiend |
| 16:45.43 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.48 | Bushmills | even Bushmills has single malt. |
| 16:46.01 | the_sniff | hey jelly |
| 16:46.01 | Maliuta | my brand is The Macallan |
| 16:46.16 | bj1 | abrotman: tried that one-liner, said cant find package |
| 16:46.21 | Bushmills | which is imho superiour to black bush |
| 16:46.23 | gravity | I have some Macallan 12 that I'm working through right now |
| 16:46.34 | abrotman | bj1: it has more info about contrib and non-free sources |
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| 16:46.43 | Maliuta | I have a 12, 18 and a whisky makers special |
| 16:46.44 | catsup | what does a pentium cpu weigh? |
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| 16:46.48 | catsup | anyone know? |
| 16:46.53 | abrotman | catsup: 42 |
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| 16:47.00 | dendrite | catsup: Planning a space mission? |
| 16:47.03 | catsup | this is a serious question |
| 16:47.10 | zinx | it has nothing to do with debian |
| 16:47.14 | abrotman | catsup: ##hardware or intel.com |
| 16:47.16 | Maliuta | gravity: 12 is decent enough for a regular drink |
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| 16:47.23 | catsup | dendrite: i have to find out whether pentium cpus cost more than fish |
| 16:47.30 | dendrite | catsup: #fish |
| 16:47.31 | gravity | The 18 is fantastic. I've never had the whisky maker's special though |
| 16:47.39 | catsup | i already know the price of fish by weight |
| 16:47.44 | catsup | just not pentiums |
| 16:47.57 | abrotman | catsup: ##hardware or intel.com |
| 16:48.06 | catsup | i joined ##hardware |
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| 16:48.17 | Maliuta | gravity: I hadn't even heard of it until mum and dad bought me a bottle, then I had to do some digging to find out what I had |
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| 16:48.18 | Bushmills | right now, fish is cheaper. in a few year, it may be different |
| 16:48.19 | xci | where is the file I can set aliases? |
| 16:48.33 | elik | .bashrc |
| 16:48.39 | xci | ah, ty |
| 16:48.40 | gravity | Maliuta: Nice |
| 16:48.48 | gravity | Maliuta: How does it compare to the 18? |
| 16:48.50 | catsup | Bushmills: yeah that's what i assume. but i need the ratio, actually |
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| 16:49.27 | vinc456 | would i risk compromising the rest of my network if i set my wii act as a default dmz server? |
| 16:49.31 | Maliuta | gravity: similar (it is similar in age, just aged in different barrels) but more depth on the nose and the aftertaste |
| 16:49.36 | gravity | Maliuta: Cool |
| 16:49.48 | Maliuta | gravity: and a completely different flavour set |
| 16:50.33 | Maliuta | vinc456: that sounds like a stupid thing to do |
| 16:50.48 | vinc456 | i would port foward only the ports i need but nintendo doesn't seem to specify which ports need to be open for my game |
| 16:50.51 | vinc456 | oh i will not do that then |
| 16:51.05 | ehird | Hmmm |
| 16:51.11 | ehird | What gui toolkit does the emacs21 package use/ |
| 16:51.26 | ehird | When I build emacs with --with-x-toolkit=yes it complains about missing libs, but emacs21 works so.. |
| 16:52.00 | catsup | ehird: you need the -dev packages to build against the libs |
| 16:52.20 | ehird | catsup: that's a good point |
| 16:52.21 | ehird | ;) |
| 16:52.26 | catsup | ehird: just use apt-get build-dep |
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| 16:53.04 | ehird | catsup: thanks |
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| 16:53.32 | bj1 | how do i stop debian start gnome automatically? |
| 16:53.37 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 16:53.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 16:54.36 | catsup | vinc456: i don't see anything wrong with nintendo dmz |
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| 16:55.11 | catsup | vinc456: you always have to assume the dmz might be compromised, but that's all |
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| 16:55.35 | catsup | vinc456: you could just have every other machine on the network block traffic from the nintendo machine |
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| 16:56.10 | catsup | (or have your router not route packets from it) |
| 16:56.16 | ootput | where are boot-time messages from ~init.d scripts located? I was under the impression that /var/log/message (dmesg) contained them |
| 16:56.23 | beardy | gravity: How do one "opt out" of automagical X configuration, or, where is the automatically generated configuration located, or, how is one meant to force things, when one knows more what one wants, than automagic things? |
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| 16:56.42 | Bushmills | catsup: mobile pentium in uFCPGA Package good enough? |
| 16:56.47 | beardy | Long time no see too, nice to see you. |
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| 16:58.19 | CLIdiot | I'm getting an error trying to restart apache2, following the php5 update |
| 16:58.23 | CLIdiot | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 16:58.26 | beardy | gravity: I've had to dig out configurations from other systems, and have had to tell others to do the same, to fix things, is that the official way? |
| 16:58.39 | vinc456 | catsup: hmmm, so if i would like to have "every other machine on the network |
| 16:58.39 | vinc456 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.00 | catsup | vinc456: like i said, you could do either... obviously the router is preferable, but who knows, sometimes people have routers that are all locked down that they can't configure, maybe you're one of them |
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| 17:00.22 | stoned | NO |
| 17:00.31 | catsup | Bushmills: mobile pentium, hm... well it will cost more. but anyway, what's the weight? |
| 17:00.44 | Bushmills | catsup: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1210524949233929200.png |
| 17:01.05 | dendrite | catsup: I can't believe you can't just get data sheets for all that at intel.com. |
| 17:01.14 | catsup | dendrite: i looked it up on intel, they don't list ewight |
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| 17:02.06 | catsup | Bushmills: thanks much |
| 17:02.16 | Bushmills | np |
| 17:02.34 | vinc456 | catsup: i own the router, i just don't think there is any option to configure the network that way. Anyways i have an idea of something i can try. Thanks:) |
| 17:03.07 | catsup | vinc456: the easiest way would be to have two networks, say 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.0.0 |
| 17:03.20 | Bushmills | vinc456: what the router doesn't understand, it won't forward. so i think you'd be fine with blocking traffic on the router., |
| 17:04.07 | Bushmills | vinc456: maybe, to be save, set policy to deny and allow know/supported protocols only |
| 17:04.11 | Bushmills | safe |
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| 17:06.38 | gravity | beardy: Do you mean the initial config, or any subsequent configurations? |
| 17:07.20 | gravity | beardy: The system shouldn't overwrite your old config unless you do a dpkg-reconfigure or you upgrade from sarge to etch. |
| 17:07.25 | gravity | beardy: If it does then it's a bug |
| 17:07.29 | beardy | gravity: Both I suppose. |
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| 17:07.52 | beardy | gravity: Well, if I install a new system and don't have one, but still knows more than it, how thing needs to be configured. |
| 17:07.53 | gravity | beardy: I don't know how to opt out of the initial config, although I'm sure I'm just forgetting the way. Subsequent configs should not happen. |
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| 17:08.16 | gravity | beardy: You can't opt out in that case. The autoconfig doesn't generate anything that it doesn't ask you at this point really |
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| 17:08.44 | beardy | gravity: Hmm. Ok. |
| 17:08.47 | gravity | beardy: These days the server just figures it out at runtime for the most part, and we let it do so as best we can. |
| 17:09.36 | gravity | beardy: We're getting very close to the point where you won't have an xorg.conf at all except in extraordinary circumstances anyway |
| 17:09.49 | beardy | gravity: Hadn't it been nice with an option to use the old style of configuring and options? |
| 17:09.51 | gravity | We're a good chunk of the way there today |
| 17:09.59 | gravity | beardy: No |
| 17:10.01 | gravity | It sucked |
| 17:10.10 | beardy | gravity: Well.. it's in those cases one wonders why and where it went. |
| 17:10.21 | gravity | It asked a lot of questions that were pretty useless that the X server already knew the answer to before the script even asked you |
| 17:10.27 | gravity | Pointless waste of time |
| 17:10.43 | gravity | beardy: Where what went? The old manual configuration stuff? |
| 17:10.59 | beardy | gravity: Yes. |
| 17:11.07 | gravity | beardy: Oh, that's an easy answer. I deleted it. |
| 17:11.07 | extor | I found such a neat way to copy my web server's hard drive: I do a dd=/dev/hda of=/remoutemountpoint count=1000000 skip=n * 1000000 and I can copy all of the data, even deleted files to my home box to examine if it was compromized or not. |
| 17:11.52 | gravity | beardy: Some of it was moved in to the X server itself. All the old config options are still there and will work if you want them, but if you really need to specify, say, a files section, you can do so manually with a text editor. |
| 17:12.01 | xingu | mutters something about various closed source xorg drivers and their insanely suboptimal defaults |
| 17:12.09 | extor | In half gig chunks over ssh, so nobody on the internats can read my /etc/shadow and stuff |
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| 17:12.38 | Bushmills | extor: not even those who compromised your system |
| 17:12.57 | Bushmills | you want to keep compromised passwords secret? |
| 17:12.58 | beardy | gravity: Yes. I don't care so much about the script, but is an example config included, could that be an option otherwise? (Usrshare/doc/bla/example, or tucked away somewhere, but still findable) |
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| 17:13.10 | gravity | beardy: Just use man xorg.conf. |
| 17:13.14 | extor | Bushmills but I don't know if I was rooted or not |
| 17:13.20 | gravity | beardy: An example config is on my TODO list, but it's not here yet |
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| 17:13.42 | gravity | I haven't fully decided what to put in it yet. |
| 17:13.45 | beardy | gravity: I ask for the tons of people asking here, aswell for myself. |
| 17:13.46 | Bushmills | extor: even on the suspicion that you were, you would/should have changed passwords |
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| 17:14.04 | Bushmills | or done away with passwords completely |
| 17:14.08 | xingu | gravity: not your problem, but what _would_ be useful is an xorg equivalent of IOS' "show derived-config" - ie, a reverse-parser that will dump syntactically sane xorg.conf from current _running_ state |
| 17:14.08 | gravity | beardy: What exactly do people need that isn't covered? |
| 17:14.26 | gravity | xingu: I agree. Also on the TODO list, but a much bigger job. |
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| 17:14.32 | extor | Bushmills I did change the password of the account that was hacked...now it is time to scour for more evidence |
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| 17:15.03 | beardy | gravity: What xingu said, a way to either find, or generate a config that you could edit, if you had to in the rare cases. |
| 17:15.07 | gravity | xingu: I also haven't decided if I want to create a full blown X extension to handle that or not. |
| 17:15.17 | gravity | beardy: Xorg -configure still works |
| 17:15.37 | xingu | gravity: I guess that would go fist in glove with a way to twiddle any such config setting then re-IPL the server without totally dumping the clients |
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| 17:16.18 | gravity | xingu: Perhaps. We probably couldn't get around rebooting the server because of the way the protocol is set up |
| 17:16.19 | HardDisk_WP | does linux support universal binaries which will run for example both on ARM and on x86? |
| 17:16.29 | Ogedei | the xserver-xorg-video-intel package in lenny refuses to install because it depends on xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4 ... which is not available. how does one solve such a thing? |
| 17:16.37 | gravity | xingu: Clients query the server for things like bit depth at startup and aren't prepared for changes there. |
| 17:16.42 | jetscreamer | speaking of configs, how come xorg.conf is so tiny & bare when i -phigh |
| 17:16.50 | gravity | jetscreamer: Because I'm awesome |
| 17:16.53 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: there is something called multi-arch .. but i don't think it currently works |
| 17:16.56 | xingu | gravity: right, but you might be able to get away without dumping the clients; be a fun experiement to see exactly how stateless the average modern client actually was these days |
| 17:16.57 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, it's always so since ~ 2months |
| 17:17.13 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, i had to restore an 2months old backup to get it working again |
| 17:17.22 | gravity | xingu: I've thought about it, but I don't have the time to experiment on it though |
| 17:17.22 | xingu | gravity: some of those messes are already getting exposed what with randr proposals etc. |
| 17:17.22 | HardDisk_WP | i couldnt select the driver |
| 17:17.26 | HardDisk_WP | even with -plow |
| 17:17.29 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: i've been using basically the same config for ~2yrs, but put an ati in just for grins |
| 17:17.35 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: The server will select the driver for you. |
| 17:17.35 | jetscreamer | yah me neither |
| 17:17.42 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, it did not here |
| 17:17.46 | xingu | gravity: :) you're already way up on me, all I've got is fantastic vacuums for other people's time at the moment ;) |
| 17:17.47 | HardDisk_WP | 8600 M GT |
| 17:17.48 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: What driver? |
| 17:17.50 | HardDisk_WP | and installed nvidia |
| 17:17.56 | gravity | Ah, of course |
| 17:17.57 | HardDisk_WP | but it always booted up with vesa |
| 17:17.59 | beardy | gravity: The problem is when it doesn't, or you want to run another one. |
| 17:18.03 | gravity | Yeah, if you've got a binary driver that's your own problem. |
| 17:18.08 | beardy | gravity: Thanks for answering. |
| 17:18.24 | gravity | edit your xorg.conf or talk to the nvidia-glx maintainers and have them ship the simple stupid text file that's necessary |
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| 17:18.28 | xingu | gravity: honestly where we are today is a million lightyears away from where we _were_ and I definitely appreciate that, so big thumbs up all round. |
| 17:18.29 | beardy | Well, one may want to run vesa anyway. |
| 17:18.30 | gravity | It's pretty simple |
| 17:18.41 | HardDisk_WP | beardy, not on NV cards |
| 17:18.49 | beardy | HardDisk_WP: As I said. |
| 17:18.56 | beardy | One may want to run vga or vesa anyway. |
| 17:19.00 | jetscreamer | i have nvidia down to works even on ubuntu |
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| 17:19.05 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, what text file? |
| 17:19.05 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 17:19.06 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
| 17:19.07 | beardy | Or any other special case. |
| 17:19.15 | jetscreamer | and i have a xorg.conf online somewhere too |
| 17:19.22 | gravity | I notice that the complaints *always* come from the people running the binary drivers. Everyone else gets the benefits right away. |
| 17:19.25 | gravity | Fuck that |
| 17:19.27 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, thou shalt not use the nvidia installer |
| 17:19.38 | HardDisk_WP | gravity, you can't make serious work without them |
| 17:19.40 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Look at the packaging for other video drivers except for vesa or vga |
| 17:19.44 | HardDisk_WP | at least on NV |
| 17:19.53 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Don't buy hardware that you can't deal with |
| 17:19.55 | HardDisk_WP | Firefox is PAINFULLY slow when running on vesa |
| 17:20.01 | gravity | HardDisk_WP: Alternately, learn how to manage your own xorg.conf |
| 17:20.20 | gravity | What I did didn't stop you from busting out your editor and making it work. I took great pains to make sure nothing broke there. |
| 17:20.28 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: works flawlesly everytime, so why wouldn't i..; nothing but problems with the debian nvidia packages.. but that's me |
| 17:20.38 | xingu | gravity: 100% agree; in any case nvidia's stated intent is to follow publish, stable api's - it's up to you guys to lead anyway. |
| 17:20.39 | pinto3 | is amaya a decent browser? |
| 17:20.39 | gravity | Anyway, it's just a text file containing a list of PCI ID's supported by your driver. It's dead simple and works today |
| 17:20.42 | beardy | gravity: The point is that oen can't get one anymore if you haven't had or seen one before. |
| 17:20.53 | xingu | s/publish/published/ |
| 17:20.54 | HardDisk_WP | yep |
| 17:20.55 | jetscreamer | no amaya is like the wc3 test bucket or something iirc |
| 17:20.59 | pinto3 | i wasn't sure of it's usability |
| 17:21.02 | jetscreamer | w3c?? |
| 17:21.03 | HardDisk_WP | or had to reinstall the system |
| 17:21.10 | HardDisk_WP | then you're pretty much fucked |
| 17:21.11 | Eulex | gravity, what happens if two drivers say that they support a card? |
| 17:21.13 | zinx | amaya is a terrible browser |
| 17:21.16 | xingu | beardy: try X -configure |
| 17:21.18 | zinx | and quite slow |
| 17:21.19 | xingu | beardy: ;) |
| 17:21.25 | gravity | beardy: There's a zillion xorg.conf's out there on the internet. And it's well documented in xorg.conf (5). And dexconf will generate a config file for you that can be easily edited. |
| 17:21.33 | gravity | beardy: It's not like people are totally abandoned here. |
| 17:21.38 | jetscreamer | dexconf you say |
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| 17:21.41 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
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| 17:21.49 | xingu | in between breakages ;) |
| 17:21.56 | gravity | Eulex: We pick the first one that's found in the file system. If you want to override that, fire up the text editor and make the change. |
| 17:22.09 | gravity | Eulex: We don't have a good way to negotiate it, so we let the user pick |
| 17:22.10 | jetscreamer | !praise gravity |
| 17:22.10 | dpkg | bows down before gravity. "gravity is da bomb!" |
| 17:22.24 | Eulex | gravity, ok |
| 17:22.32 | xingu | jetscreamer: "X -configure" is usually pretty close too. |
| 17:22.50 | gravity | jetscreamer: dexconf is mainly a packaging tool. It's part of the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg backend. |
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| 17:23.02 | gravity | It just pulls out the answers from the debconf db and puts them in to a xorg.conf |
| 17:23.14 | gravity | I'm looking forward to the day it dies |
| 17:23.20 | pinto3 | that's what i use, just make sure you have that -nolisten tcp option in your startx script if you don't want it occupying a external socket |
| 17:23.33 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 17:23.58 | xingu | gravity: while we're talking universal panacea and manna from heaven, any thoughts on how to scrub the intarwebs and remove all the cargo cult shite that's been written on xorg font "prettification", or nvidia driver config "optimisation" for that matter? |
| 17:24.15 | gravity | Yeah, there's still a ton of work to be done in this area. The desktop folks need to catch up with things like randr guis and whatnot. But most of the stuff people are missing from the debconfage is obsolete busywork. |
| 17:24.37 | gravity | xingu: X.org has been annoyed about that shit for years. There's not much hope. |
| 17:24.39 | jetscreamer | you can borrow my xrandr menu script thingy |
| 17:24.44 | jetscreamer | works fine for me :) |
| 17:24.44 | gravity | Except... you know... killing xorg.conf |
| 17:24.55 | gravity | Which we're doing |
| 17:25.26 | xingu | gravity: oh there is one thing that annoys with xorg - running with no _mouse_ per se, just any other inputdevice |
| 17:25.39 | xingu | gravity: does it still refuse to start in that config? it did not so long ago |
| 17:25.42 | zinx | i wish x.org would properly fix the input issues they broke recently |
| 17:25.44 | jetscreamer | allowmouseopenfail or something |
| 17:25.50 | gravity | xingu: ^ |
| 17:25.54 | zinx | my LEDs still don't all function, to this day |
| 17:26.07 | xingu | gravity: for instance I have only synaptics touchpad; but yes, I have to use that option _as well as_ define a generic mouse pointed at thin air |
| 17:26.10 | gravity | zinx: Me too, but it's a hard problem with far too few contributors |
| 17:26.22 | gravity | I haven't even looked at input yet |
| 17:26.42 | zinx | well, the problem is.. it was working fine, then they broke it :>P |
| 17:26.45 | gravity | Well, that's not true. I looked several times and failed to understand in any meaningful way. |
| 17:26.45 | zinx | erh, s/>// |
| 17:26.53 | xingu | laughs |
| 17:26.59 | zinx | that's a good indication that maybe the code is complete crap |
| 17:27.01 | xingu | hands gravity some crack and a pipe |
| 17:27.10 | gravity | zinx: No one's happy about it, believe me. But input hotplug is important. |
| 17:27.27 | gravity | zinx: Maybe. It's a difficult problem that's necessarily somewhat complicated. |
| 17:27.34 | xingu | hands gravity a guarenteed cargo-cult-free-honest-no-more-tinkering-promise kernel input events api |
| 17:27.36 | zinx | does not believe that is so |
| 17:27.42 | gravity | zinx: Plus it's in C, which necessarily limits the clarity. |
| 17:27.51 | zinx | C does not limit clarity in the least little bit |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | xingu: see earlier arguments about stable kernels :) |
| 17:28.05 | zinx | bad coding limits clarity |
| 17:28.11 | gravity | zinx: Well fuck you then. |
| 17:28.19 | gravity | zinx: How about you go fix it? |
| 17:28.20 | gravity | Please? |
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| 17:28.25 | zinx | i'm too lazy :P |
| 17:28.29 | gravity | Fuck off |
| 17:28.30 | abrotman | nice answer |
| 17:28.32 | zinx | and, as you've stated, the x.org code is pretty terrible |
| 17:28.42 | Eulex | beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
| 17:28.44 | gravity | zinx: It's a hard problem. |
| 17:28.45 | Eulex | as is ugliness |
| 17:28.57 | zinx | gravity: perhaps due to the crappy code base. but in general? no, it's not. |
| 17:28.58 | gravity | Once you get to real problems in real code, it gets ugly. |
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| 17:29.27 | gravity | Whatever. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback. |
| 17:29.37 | gravity | It's harder to fix problems and do the real coding. |
| 17:29.42 | zinx | gravity: i've got my own projects to work on (or procrastinate on, as the case may be) |
| 17:29.54 | xingu | gravity: I'm very happy about what's happened wrt the serverlayout -> screen hierarchy, that's made some very messy things very clean for me these days |
| 17:30.09 | xingu | gravity: so definitely a beer for whoever cleaned that up. |
| 17:30.44 | gravity | xingu: The serverlayout has been around for a while. ajax just gave it some sane defaults so you don't need to write them out anymore unless you want something different. |
| 17:30.54 | zinx | gravity: but i fail to be able to believe that the LED issue is so difficult |
| 17:31.15 | xingu | gravity: yep; but I love ... -layout "..." as a selector, please don't ever kill that :) |
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| 17:31.18 | gravity | zinx: It's been fixed for a while for most people. If it's an issue for you, why don't you figure out what's wrong and fix it? |
| 17:31.25 | beardy | Seems like fuck is fucking allowed fucking all the time, so lets fucking go with it. |
| 17:31.27 | gravity | xingu: I don't plan to kill much of anything really. |
| 17:31.34 | beardy | I was fucking banned once for it by a fucker. |
| 17:31.40 | zinx | gravity: i've already explained that :P |
| 17:32.13 | abrotman | looks at beardy ... |
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| 17:32.21 | beardy | waves |
| 17:32.42 | xingu | gravity: and a big thumbs up for whoever sorted out module autoloading too |
| 17:32.50 | gravity | Ah, that one was me |
| 17:32.56 | xingu | !beer gravity |
| 17:32.56 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for gravity |
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| 17:33.15 | gravity | The hard work was the randr stuff. Module loading was easy. |
| 17:33.35 | xingu | gravity: sure, but it's _done_, praise be. :) |
| 17:33.39 | gravity | Heh, thank you |
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| 17:35.12 | xingu | gravity: I'm using multiple layouts to define a HTC/projector layout (session management undesirable) and a normal desktop layout; need to pass two totally separate sets of driver options depending |
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| 17:35.21 | gravity | Ah, cool |
| 17:35.46 | xingu | gravity: also, two totally different goals in terms of xinerama (well really, twinview, but yeah) |
| 17:35.57 | gravity | Right |
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| 17:36.09 | bj1 | ive installed nvidia drivers, and corected the vertical and horizontal in xorg.conf, however i still dont have the option in gnome to gte the resresh rates listed ont he manufactors site |
| 17:36.20 | gravity | I can imagine the day when such things go away, and you just define it via randr |
| 17:36.25 | xingu | yep |
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| 17:36.28 | gravity | But for now, it's a real use case for xorg.conf |
| 17:36.45 | xingu | but again, the closed bods are waiting for you guys to blink first and define a stable api afaik |
| 17:36.57 | xingu | they'll follow - key word "follow" |
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| 17:37.21 | gravity | Well, no one breaks the abi without serious pause |
| 17:37.33 | xingu | something else that'd be neat would be dissasociating glx from any framebuffer in particular |
| 17:37.33 | gravity | Even nvidia employees have broken it |
| 17:37.38 | xingu | grins |
| 17:37.40 | cafecubita | quick question (not really debian-specific), for commands that take other commands as arguments (time, sudo, etc) how do I pass an argument that is common to both (-a, -o, etc), time -a abc.txt ls -a doesn't seem to work, and quoting the "ls -a" command doesn't either |
| 17:37.43 | valdyn | !modeline |
| 17:37.43 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
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| 17:37.45 | xingu | is bowled over with a feather |
| 17:37.47 | valdyn | bj1: ^^ |
| 17:38.24 | abrotman | cafecubita: time -a abc.txt -- ls -a .. maybe |
| 17:38.24 | gravity | cafecubita: You can probably do something like "sudo -a something -a" |
| 17:39.04 | cafecubita | abrotman: ah, double hyphen makes time stop taking arguments, right? |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | yes .. for most commands |
| 17:41.10 | abrotman | conversation killer |
| 17:41.32 | xingu | gravity: it'd be neat if you could describe a proper layout -> screen -> glx -> framebuffer topology (rather than the current layout -> screen -> device construct); ie - sharing a single 3d unit across multiple framebuffers, or, sharing multiple 3d units with output sent to a single framebuffer |
| 17:41.36 | abrotman | gravity: i forgot to ask you if there was a workaround for that Emulate3Buttons thing |
| 17:42.05 | gravity | abrotman: Well, it's kinda ugly. You could add the question back to the debconf database |
| 17:42.28 | gravity | abrotman: I need to answer julien's mail about the fix. I may just do the upload myself though to get it in. |
| 17:42.44 | gravity | abrotman: Basically though I fucked up and I just need to fix it |
| 17:42.44 | abrotman | gravity: i figured as much .. but not something i'd have a random irc person do |
| 17:42.49 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
| 17:42.52 | abrotman | gravity: blame ubuntu! :) |
| 17:42.57 | beardy | Ah yes.. that was one thing. |
| 17:43.01 | gravity | Nah, the ubuntu X guys are ok |
| 17:43.05 | gravity | I've met them both |
| 17:43.05 | bj1 | valdyn: what do i do with this modline? |
| 17:43.45 | gravity | xingu: I think people are thinking about that sort of thing for the future, although I doubt it'll be user configurable |
| 17:44.00 | gravity | xingu: indirect acceleration allows a little bit of that |
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| 17:45.08 | xingu | gravity: here's a stray question you may know the answer to; do you guys support evdev for _keyboard_ input? |
| 17:45.20 | gravity | xingu: Technically yes |
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| 17:45.35 | xingu | gravity: I gather xkb is still a little tied up in kbd then? |
| 17:45.37 | gravity | xingu: evdev should work today, although it's a bit scary. |
| 17:45.48 | gravity | xingu: Not necessarily |
| 17:46.05 | gravity | I don't remember all the details. If you had asked me two months ago I could have given you a complete answer :-\ |
| 17:46.13 | xingu | heh |
| 17:46.21 | xingu | nice, no manpage for keyboard(4) |
| 17:46.21 | gravity | (I've been on vacation from X for a few weeks, so my mind is a bit fuzzy on some things) |
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| 17:47.24 | xingu | aah, because it's deprecated; kbd(4) suggests that this is the "OS-provided keyboard interface" so it may well be input events anyway under the bonnet |
| 17:47.43 | gravity | I think so, yes |
| 17:48.27 | xingu | hmm, no /dev/input/keyboard0, that's quite droll |
| 17:49.10 | gravity | heads out for a run |
| 17:49.19 | abrotman | it's too nice .. stay inside! |
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| 18:00.44 | xingu | aah, beer, sweet ambrosia of the idle classes |
| 18:01.24 | jelly-home | s/idle/working/! |
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| 18:02.04 | xingu | goes back to feeding price data into his magic eight-ball |
| 18:02.17 | abrotman | kids and their financial toys |
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| 18:03.21 | jetscreamer | burps |
| 18:03.57 | simonrvn | farts |
| 18:04.06 | jetscreamer | !light the fart |
| 18:04.09 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 18:04.15 | cafecubita | hmm, I'm still having problems making "time" take some arguments, "time -p ls" works as intended, but "time -f "%E real,%U user,%S sys" ls -Fs" (taken from the man page) doesn't work, I get "bash: -f: command not found" |
| 18:05.10 | simonrvn | !fart |
| 18:05.10 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 18:05.12 | cafecubita | why is it accepting the -p as an argument and not the -f, seems like it's trying to run -f |
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| 18:05.18 | blubberdiblub | cafecubita, try /usr/bin/time instead |
| 18:05.32 | cafecubita | let me try that |
| 18:05.46 | simonrvn | cafecubita: try doing -- time -blah; or what blubberdiblub said |
| 18:05.48 | jetscreamer | your quotes aren't proper |
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| 18:05.59 | jetscreamer | or it wouldn't think -f was a command |
| 18:06.11 | blubberdiblub | cafecubita: just "time" invokes the bash builtin, which doesn't have an -f option |
| 18:06.21 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:06.22 | cafecubita | I put quotes around commands to show them here, I think blubberdiblub hit it in the head |
| 18:06.24 | Riotblade | Hey, is there anyway of increasing the password length? |
| 18:06.32 | cafecubita | exactly, the bash builtin |
| 18:06.42 | jetscreamer | how long do you want it? |
| 18:07.13 | xingu | well hey, it predicted the money tap turning off the penultimate time I shook it - forecast june '07 for date of impact first week of august '07, and the last time I shook it back in january it forecast negative price growth readings by may 2008 |
| 18:07.37 | xingu | so mystic meg and her tealeaf reading aren't doing so bad so far |
| 18:07.38 | jelly-home | xingu: what sort of maths are you using? |
| 18:07.38 | Riotblade | jetscreamer, 16 chars would be nice |
| 18:07.47 | Riotblade | I've tried googling but I didnt turn up any results |
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| 18:08.26 | simonrvn | md5 should support that easily |
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| 18:09.20 | beardy | Hmm yes. |
| 18:09.31 | beardy | Riotblade: Are you using DES? |
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| 18:09.48 | dendrite | Riotblade: When you say "increasing" do you mean significant (included in hash), or minimum length? |
| 18:09.48 | Riotblade | DES? |
| 18:09.56 | xingu | jelly-home: the guts of a trading engine someone gave me because it busted, I'm essentially running it backwards, giving it final prices and asking it to guess what inputs are required to form them |
| 18:10.12 | Riotblade | dendrite, minimum length of the inputted plaintext passwords |
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| 18:10.32 | abrotman | it's a pam.d thing |
| 18:10.35 | Riotblade | I dont know how the default password system works, I'm only referring to the input |
| 18:10.48 | beardy | Riotblade: DES3, an encryption algorithm, that has previously been the default, an old one.. now md5 is the default, IIRC, and hope. |
| 18:10.58 | xingu | jelly-home: I was always dangerously crap at higher math, but pulling clockwork toys apart, man I got a whole box of screwdrivers for that. |
| 18:11.27 | beardy | Oh, minumum, probably what abrotman said then. |
| 18:12.05 | Riotblade | Ah, so I can just edit common-password and it'll take effect after being reassigned a new password? |
| 18:12.08 | dendrite | Riotblade: /etc/pam.d/common-password <-- that's where I'd start. |
| 18:12.23 | jelly-home | xingu: so you're giving it differennt possibilities and looking whather the guessed inputs match what happened in reality? |
| 18:12.39 | xingu | jelly-home: if you're interested the tealeaves are talking about negative rental yield growth around late august |
| 18:12.48 | xingu | jelly-home: that's about the long and short of it |
| 18:13.14 | jelly-home | xingu: sounds like fun anyway! |
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| 18:14.12 | xingu | jelly-home: the fun thing is the engine was actually _used_ to price cds on the way up, so I figure it's legitimate use-case to stand it on its head and ask it what the way back down is going to look like :) |
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| 18:14.54 | PriitM_ | I wonder if changing motherboard while I got fully working Debian Testing on hard drive cause any trouble, similar to windows? |
| 18:14.55 | xingu | jelly-home: put it this way, my assumptions are liable to be just as broken as everyone else's were when they were pimping this shite |
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| 18:15.23 | jelly-home | xingu: too bad I'm not playing in the same sandbox, and I doubt we here have enough data available for free. Is the thing generic enough? |
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| 18:16.02 | bj1 | where would i find samba in the gnome menu? infact i have trouble finding anyting in the menus, is there another way of opening them? |
| 18:16.29 | Z4ndX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.30 | xingu | jelly-home: not even remotely, they seem to have managed to suck up about one of everything in the FOSS world except perl interpreters and STL libraries where "the more the merrier" applies |
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| 18:17.09 | xingu | jelly-home: efficiency wasn't a goal, if it could pull up eight lotto balls and two supplimentaries a _day_ that was fine |
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| 18:17.48 | jelly-home | xingu: aww. I strongly feel it needs some rewriting to perl, then. |
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| 18:18.10 | the-dude | would it be hard add a new package to debian repository? |
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| 18:18.27 | xingu | jelly-home: I've had to fan out four kvm vm's just to get it up and running ;) |
| 18:18.30 | jelly-home | xingu: also, digitized input of thrown chicken bones |
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| 18:18.46 | xingu | jelly-home: yep, and some fish entrails I think would be appropriate too |
| 18:18.59 | xingu | and a really strong cup of tea |
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| 18:19.13 | jelly-home | ... and a cookie. :-) |
| 18:19.27 | netdaemon | i get this error when trying to connect to an essid configured in /etc/network/interfaces..."eth0: unknown hardware address type 801". it's right before dhclient initiantes and it won't grab an ip as a result |
| 18:19.32 | xingu | ... a bowl of petunias saying "oh no not again"... |
| 18:19.35 | netdaemon | i can do it by hand just fine, any ideas? |
| 18:19.55 | jelly-home | note to self: do not refer to bowel movements as Brownian motion |
| 18:21.03 | jelly-home | !rtp |
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| 18:21.52 | xingu | jelly-home: oh, it's talking about a pretty good chance of another 8-15% off asking price indicies in late may/ early june too; what's tickling its funnybone there is the overhang that's been building since january (and largely discounted once already in late march/early april) |
| 18:21.54 | jelly-home | hm, what's the acronym for a request for an app to be packages? |
| 18:22.10 | jelly-home | s/packages/packaged/ |
| 18:22.21 | xingu | jelly-home: be quite interested to see if that one materialises, it'll make me a bit more confident on the rental yield outlooks |
| 18:23.03 | jelly-home | xingu: how many variables does the thing track, btw? |
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| 18:24.58 | xingu | jelly-home: price, volume, total market depth/ cap, initial bid/ask spread, time, ratio of partridges to pear trees, all the usual sorts of things |
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| 18:27.04 | xingu | jelly-home: you could probably beat it with some graph paper, a pencil, a ruler, severe muscle tick, cojones the size of beachballs, and a whole bunch of luck |
| 18:27.49 | xingu | jelly-home: it looks a lot more impressive than it actually is, which if this ever was the state of the art, explains the size of the turd approaching |
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| 18:28.42 | jelly-home | elegance and implementation details are less important than its performance, I guess |
| 18:28.55 | xingu | nah |
| 18:29.10 | xingu | smoke and mirrors are definitely more important than performance |
| 18:29.26 | xingu | the more opaque it sounds, the more believable the number that pops up on the screen |
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| 18:29.47 | jelly-home | ... that might explain the 4 machines needed |
| 18:30.12 | jelly-home | for a #$%^ nonlinear matching app |
| 18:30.25 | xingu | especially if you've got a patent on the math, doubly so if one of the principals has ever been to stockholm to pick up a "I can't believe it's not a Nobel" prize |
| 18:30.57 | xingu | goes back to scraping prices from places they shouldn't be scraped to feed the monster |
| 18:31.49 | zythmer | Does anyone else get keyboard lag due to ecryptfs + LVM in testing with 2.6.24? When I copied maybe 20MB of files off a DVD-RAM to an ecryptfs mounted partition, kcryptd went up to 90% CPU and locked the keyboard for a few seconds on my laptop. Only the /crypt partition is encrypted. |
| 18:32.41 | xingu | jelly-home: there's only two fundamentals, one apiece in each of these markets which is why I'm letting the tardis' beating heart loose this way; first, prices - these reflect underwriting, that's the beginning and end of the last half decade at least (and the rest is just _noise_ by comparison) |
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| 18:33.52 | xingu | jelly-home: second, income less non-discretionary non-accommodation; this is your yield more or less |
| 18:34.38 | xingu | jelly-home: I'm basically using my hacked up black box to wind the clock back, stuffing both of those two variables back in their box to see how they bulge about as I do |
| 18:35.08 | xingu | jelly-home: the different being, we're already at the height of stupidity, so I get to train on observed data as we unwind |
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| 18:38.49 | crazyfrog | my computer connects to Internet through pppoe,and i have no LAN.when i run "#tcpdump - i eth0" ,there always has many traffics does not relates to my ip.why? |
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| 18:39.41 | HockeyInJune | I get a "dpkg: error processing [file I want] (--unpack): failed in buffer_read(fd): files list for package 'libaspell15' : invalid argument" |
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| 18:41.09 | thedonvaughn | crazyfrog: you're the one running tcpdump, you tell us. |
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| 18:41.58 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: is your HDD full ? |
| 18:42.15 | HockeyInJune | nope only used 14% |
| 18:43.06 | crazyfrog | thedonvaughn:i just wonder why it show traffics not relate to my ip? |
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| 18:46.34 | xingu | bloody hell, ~34% or so in sample are negatively ammortising based on yield verses predicted cost of capital |
| 18:46.43 | xingu | frickin train wreck dead ahead |
| 18:47.21 | xingu | lets hope the inflation genie doesn't pop out of the jar and put everybody's discretionary at risk eh? |
| 18:47.33 | xingu | like the toyota add... "bugger" |
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| 18:48.44 | pickcoder | xingu: lay off the homemade stuff.. |
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| 18:56.44 | foobar8` | zythmer: yes, same here |
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| 18:59.55 | zythmer | foobar8`: hmm on a laptop? |
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| 19:00.57 | zythmer | I don't see anything wrong other than the freeze. demesg and kern.log don't mention anything about it. |
| 19:01.03 | zythmer | err dmesg |
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| 19:02.58 | foobar8` | zythmer: yes |
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| 19:04.15 | foobar8` | zythmer: though for me it does not happen always |
| 19:04.35 | foobar8` | zythmer: for example just now i copied a big file and had not problem |
| 19:04.51 | zythmer | foobar8`: It has always happened to me when I transfer lots of files over the network. |
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| 19:07.38 | pmo | hi, come in here, to get and advice.. what sort of tool would you use to build a web site those days.. something that is not supposed to close down as many already did ? sort of phpBB but for alll purpose or integrated in a web site frontend, which tool i could use ? what would you use yourself, what is worth having a look ? |
| 19:07.40 | zythmer | When I had the whole thing encrypted except for /boot, I would get kernel messages for these file transfers. I don't remember the message, but it was a 1 line fix from Herbert Xu on the mailing lists. I upgraded to 2.6.25 instead of applying it and I didn't see that message. I still saw the freezes though. |
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| 19:08.32 | abrotman | pmo: drupal ? |
| 19:09.29 | pmo | abrotman, maybe, i look forward on the web, never heard of that one, long ago i used and improved phpdbform, but those days i dont know any |
| 19:09.43 | abrotman | you're being a bit vague |
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| 19:11.04 | foobar8` | zythmer: i can't reproduce it at the moment |
| 19:11.20 | pmo | well, the idea is to build a website.. commercial or not i dont know, but to start.. with free product that is good.. something improving like phpBB does since many years, integrating last techonology, would be nice |
| 19:12.17 | pickcoder | pmo: what is your focus? |
| 19:12.18 | pmo | the reference i have in mind when it comes to internet tools.. for forum, i think of phpBB, for server i think of Apache.. but front side of website.. where you post pics, news, article.. and have forums, chats.. |
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| 19:13.59 | pmo | i have no reference, except i know there is a slashdot project too.. so i wonder if there is any other reference ? (i am no fan of slashdot website, i would like to see phpbb integrated instead, and too tied to mysql, not as good as postgreqsl, for my taste |
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| 19:14.44 | zythmer | foobar8`: Ok, thanks anyway. |
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| 19:16.04 | pmo | pickcoder, only some advice, what to pick up to easily build a full featured web site.. improving yearly |
| 19:16.18 | foobar8` | zythmer: do you also have a intel ich7? |
| 19:16.20 | pmo | abrotman, drupal seems good.. |
| 19:16.44 | roxazer | i want a static ip adress. Is this right? http://pastebin.com/d2031b932 |
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| 19:17.43 | Deezire | Is it possible to have userspecified motd? |
| 19:17.45 | Deezire | In SSHD |
| 19:17.45 | gordboy | roxazer: the layout is good. the numbers in the eth0 bit look a bit suspect |
| 19:18.10 | abrotman | roxazer: i suspect your gateway is very wrong |
| 19:18.15 | roxazer | gordboy: im not shure about the gateway and netmask |
| 19:18.19 | abrotman | or the address |
| 19:18.35 | roxazer | abrotman: i think that to, but i dont know what it is |
| 19:18.40 | abrotman | ask your ISP |
| 19:18.41 | pickcoder | pmo: what you are asking for is vague |
| 19:18.42 | zythmer | foobar8`: ich8m |
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| 19:19.04 | gordboy | roxazer: is it a static ip on a private (192.168*) lan ? |
| 19:19.17 | pickcoder | Drupal and Joomla are pretty large CMS packages |
| 19:19.23 | pickcoder | but they both have limitations |
| 19:19.29 | roxazer | gordboy: idk, it is wrong |
| 19:19.35 | roxazer | i will ask my ISP |
| 19:19.43 | et_alia | Deezire: yes, look at man sshd_config |
| 19:19.54 | Deezire | Userspesific? |
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| 19:20.28 | pmo | pickcoder, i thought.. purpose to build a website, that was not vague, i dont know how to give more details.. web site has articles, manage news, post pics, have forum, chat.. maybe all taht can be integrated from different project.. but is barely what slashdot does, except it doesnt have pic gallery, neither chat rooms |
| 19:20.52 | pmo | pickcoder, ok, didnt see your post, thanks ;-) :) |
| 19:21.01 | pmo | abrotman, thanks ;-) |
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| 19:21.29 | roxazer_ | nope, it isnt static |
| 19:21.56 | et_alia | Deezire: You might be able to set the file path to something like Banner ~/.ssh/motd |
| 19:22.07 | roxazer | that must be wrong, it changes the ip all the time |
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| 19:22.26 | et_alia | Deezire: And then just edit each one of those to suit your needs. |
| 19:22.36 | roxazer | how do i make my IP static? |
| 19:22.37 | et_alia | Deezire: Not sure though, try it. |
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| 19:23.04 | simonrvn | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: fix your client and/or internet connection already |
| 19:23.04 | pickcoder | roxazer: pay your ISP for one |
| 19:23.11 | Deezire | et_alia: Ah, ofcourse! |
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| 19:23.32 | roxazer | pickcoder: i dont have to, ive done it before |
| 19:24.00 | pickcoder | then why are you asking? |
| 19:24.08 | roxazer | couse it doesnt work |
| 19:24.22 | pickcoder | dhcp is not static |
| 19:24.27 | roxazer | i know |
| 19:24.36 | pickcoder | if your interface is configured that way then it may or may not keep the same IP |
| 19:24.59 | Eulex | roxazer, configure the router to give a specific ip to your machine. |
| 19:25.02 | pickcoder | my ISP serves static IPs by pppoe |
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| 19:26.37 | roxazer | all ive done is written "iface eth0 inet static" and then a ip adress |
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| 19:26.56 | abrotman | you still need a gateway and network |
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| 19:30.07 | dvs | netmask is optional\ |
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| 19:31.19 | hjb | Hi. I've got what i'd call a "one person server" at home where i want to install an imap server |
| 19:31.48 | hjb | It'll run fetchmail to gather mail from my various mail account (pom,imap) |
| 19:32.17 | hjb | Then i want to use an imap server to access that mailbox |
| 19:32.33 | hjb | Which one should i choose (binc, courier, ... ehatever)? |
| 19:32.43 | dvs | I use courier |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | whichever you want .. dovecot and courier are pretty easy |
| 19:32.50 | \amethyst | hjb: I use dovecot for something similar |
| 19:32.59 | dvs | stay away from the uw stuff. |
| 19:33.01 | \amethyst | hjb: or used to, anyway |
| 19:33.09 | abrotman | \amethyst: then it ate all your mail? :) |
| 19:33.13 | hjb | \amethyst Why have u stopped? |
| 19:33.36 | pickcoder | I like dovecot's config |
| 19:33.56 | \amethyst | hjb: because the other person who was receiving mail on my machine now uses webmail |
| 19:34.16 | \amethyst | hjb: and I never used it, since I read mail straight out of /var/mail/ :) |
| 19:34.30 | hjb | \amethyst hehe |
| 19:34.33 | pickcoder | likes roundcube with dovecot |
| 19:34.33 | the-dude | mutt <3 |
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| 19:35.09 | hjb | What i want is something a)secure and b) easy to setup |
| 19:35.17 | hjb | erm, and c) with ssl support |
| 19:35.31 | hjb | with client-side certificates, when possible :-) |
| 19:36.45 | hjb | Maybe i'm a little bit too paranoid ;-) |
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| 19:37.21 | hjb | pickcoder hmm, roundcube sounds nice |
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| 19:37.35 | hairy_popper | hi |
| 19:37.42 | hjb | So, to get the point: most of you have suggested dovecot, right? |
| 19:37.48 | et_alia | I prefer dovecot over courier for the IMAP server. Yes. |
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| 19:38.17 | hjb | Anyone has experience with binc? |
| 19:38.18 | abrotman | it ultimately depends on the features you want and which version of debian you have |
| 19:38.21 | simonrvn | i'm weird, i like cyrus |
| 19:38.24 | et_alia | roundcube is a nice webmail interface as well. Then again, there's always good old squirrelmail. :) |
| 19:38.32 | dvs | simonrvn: o_O |
| 19:38.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: i like the shared maildir part of it .. and that's about it |
| 19:38.47 | pickcoder | nutmail is too finicky about the IMAP connection |
| 19:38.51 | pickcoder | imo |
| 19:38.59 | hjb | squirrelmail is used at my institue and i like it :-) thought about running it at home, too |
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| 19:39.07 | pickcoder | unless some changes have taken place in the past year or so |
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| 19:40.05 | pickcoder | openwebmail is an OK webmail client too. It lacks some of the 'fit and finish" that roundcube has but it has a webdisk feature that's nice |
| 19:40.09 | hjb | Let's take it the otherway round: is there anything i should reallly stay away from? Like sendmail :-D |
| 19:40.18 | pickcoder | and also a web terminal IIRC |
| 19:40.34 | dvs | hjb: the uw stuff like uw-imap |
| 19:40.55 | pickcoder | I had issues with uw and squirrelmail |
| 19:41.09 | simonrvn | uw is just a pita and bleh |
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| 19:42.14 | hjb | dvs ok, then i'll try dovecot, binc and carus, in that order, and stay away from the uw-stuff |
| 19:42.24 | pickcoder | sendmail is a very powerful MTA |
| 19:42.31 | dvs | hjb: no courier? ;-) |
| 19:42.46 | dvs | pickcoder: too powerful |
| 19:42.47 | pickcoder | if you really understand the macro configuring then you can make it dance |
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| 19:42.59 | hjb | pickcoder I think so, but it's also famous for it's, hmm, powerful, config ;-) |
| 19:43.04 | simonrvn | abrotman: cyrus has the best ldap support imo, the other ones are half-assed |
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| 19:43.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's the shared folders! |
| 19:43.28 | hjb | dvs ohh, i forgot it. Where would you put it in that order? |
| 19:43.32 | abrotman | the dovecot in etch doesn't implement them IIRC .. and courier's idea of them is awful |
| 19:43.42 | dvs | hjb: I use courier so I'm biased |
| 19:43.43 | pickcoder | dvs I have encounterend many scenarios that were not possible with postfix, for example, due to a lack of powerful configuring |
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| 19:43.48 | simonrvn | agreed |
| 19:43.59 | pickcoder | then again, I've also found holes in sendmail configs |
| 19:44.09 | simonrvn | that's why i stick with exim, a little bit of both |
| 19:44.12 | abrotman | notes that dpkg has some *seriously* out of date factoids |
| 19:44.29 | abrotman | !standalone flash player |
| 19:44.29 | dpkg | i guess standalone flash player is http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flash/updates/mx/player6/install_flash_player_6_r79_linux_sa.tar.gz, or http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/releasenotes/player/fp6_r79_linux_sa.htm |
| 19:44.34 | abrotman | 6?! |
| 19:44.38 | simonrvn | 30K factoids... i'm not surprised |
| 19:44.43 | dvs | isn't it up to 11? |
| 19:44.56 | dvs | oh that's realplayer |
| 19:45.01 | simonrvn | 9, last i saw |
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| 19:45.22 | hjb | !imap |
| 19:45.22 | dpkg | imap is, like, (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. |
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| 19:45.35 | hjb | !imapd |
| 19:45.38 | dvs | At least the flash player link still works. |
| 19:45.46 | hjb | !imap-server |
| 19:45.51 | hjb | :-( |
| 19:46.06 | hjb | it also have missing factoids :) |
| 19:46.20 | pickcoder | wouldn't know if he had missing factoids or not |
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| 19:51.21 | hjb | ok, thanks so far. I'll see which one'll fit my needs |
| 19:51.29 | hjb | hand |
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| 19:52.38 | simonrvn | had to think a sec what he meant by "hand", until i thought of the acronym, then it made sense =;). |
| 19:52.42 | dvs | foot |
| 19:53.03 | simonrvn | Have A Nice Day |
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| 19:53.27 | simonrvn | hairy_popper: cn't make up your mind to stay or go, eh? :P |
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| 19:53.59 | hairy_popper | I just wanted to ask dpkg about wine :) |
| 19:54.23 | simonrvn | fire away: /msg dpkg wine |
| 19:54.35 | hairy_popper | i have already ;) |
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| 19:54.49 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 19:58.01 | hairy_popper | which debian would run best on openpandora? |
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| 19:58.48 | esteel | Not sure if there are Nexuiz fans around here.. but Version 2.4.2 of that nice deathmatch game was just released :) I hope the debian package will also soon be updated :) |
| 19:58.48 | foobar8` | how to build source packages that build-depend on each other? |
| 19:58.57 | simonrvn | hairy_popper: what? |
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| 19:59.11 | hairy_popper | http://openpandora.org/ |
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| 20:01.05 | peterius | I just killed hpiod and hpssd and I can still print... do I need those two? |
| 20:01.13 | peterius | what do they do? |
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| 20:03.56 | krezel | slaps krezel around a bit with a large bass |
| 20:04.02 | krezel | woo slap script |
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| 20:05.33 | Bac9 | anyone have any experience with sony ericsson phones? i.e. can you do anything more on them then see what files they have stored? there are utilities for win32 for moding them, are there any for Linux? |
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| 20:12.00 | pmo | Bac9, maybe you could try mount them |
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| 20:12.26 | pmo | Bac9, i did personaly with my sony |
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| 20:12.51 | pickcoder | Bac9: good question.. I have a z520 but I've never plugged it into Debian |
| 20:12.52 | Bac9 | pmo: they mount fine... but that only allows me to see files on the flash, doesn't allow me to change settings like the FAR plugin |
| 20:12.53 | pmo | Bac9, only had to mount the usb storage, then looked inside, and found directory where there is all files |
| 20:13.23 | pmo | Bac9, oops.. change settings never did, i never used their windows tool sorry |
| 20:13.24 | Bac9 | pmo: I was hoping to get at the config/branding stuff |
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| 20:14.11 | pmo | Bac9, grab the files, was good enough.. and i changed config with the camera itself, not with oustide tools |
| 20:14.52 | pmo | pickcoder, plugged and mount.. and then grab stuff.. worked pretty easily / well |
| 20:14.58 | Bac9 | pmo: "changed config with the camera"? |
| 20:15.18 | pmo | Bac9, yes, not with a software from windows |
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| 20:15.22 | Soskel | hi |
| 20:15.23 | Bac9 | cusco: sorry freenode doesn't allow me to reply to msg |
| 20:15.29 | Soskel | where is the apache log located? |
| 20:15.56 | Bac9 | pmo: I don't have a win32 box to actually try any of the win32 software |
| 20:16.18 | Bac9 | pmo: so neither the FAR stuff nor the sony ericsson stuf works for me |
| 20:16.32 | pmo | Bac9, what is the FAR stuff ? |
| 20:16.46 | pmo | what FAR means ? |
| 20:16.59 | Bac9 | pmo: stuf like http://myforum.lasyk.net/showthread.php?t=25656&highlight=far+manager |
| 20:19.34 | pickcoder | Bac9: that dos tool may run under dosemu |
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| 20:20.02 | pickcoder | provided you use a standard serial port |
| 20:20.18 | Meaw | hello , why when i type startx in console it start the fluxbox not xfce4 |
| 20:20.29 | Bac9 | pickcoder: but it will not be able to interface to the device because it doesn't know about /dev |
| 20:20.44 | Bac9 | pickcoder: the interface is over usb |
| 20:20.48 | pickcoder | if it's on com1 then it will |
| 20:20.58 | Maliuta | Meaw: set your .xsession file up properly |
| 20:21.02 | Bac9 | pickcoder: there are few modern phones that stil use serial |
| 20:21.24 | pickcoder | and there are few tools still written in DOS |
| 20:21.29 | Meaw | Maliuta, there is no .xsession file .. should i creat one? and what should the file contain |
| 20:21.35 | pickcoder | er |
| 20:21.43 | pickcoder | DOS/ windows command line environment |
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| 20:22.29 | Maliuta | Meaw: man startx |
| 20:23.23 | Meaw | Maliuta, there's nothing in man pages about .xsession |
| 20:23.34 | Meaw | but i rememebr i should creat the file but i forgot what it contain |
| 20:23.50 | Maliuta | xinitrc is the same shite, different name |
| 20:24.49 | enouf | !xsession |
| 20:24.49 | dpkg | xsession is probably ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 20:25.04 | Meaw | Maliuta, still it doesnt provide more informations |
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| 20:25.29 | enouf | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 20:25.35 | Maliuta | points Meaw to what dpkg just spewed forth |
| 20:25.56 | Maliuta | I really should learn what people have fed that bot |
| 20:26.23 | Meaw | get the point, i do not have the file exist, i know i have to creat it .. but have no idea what the file should contain |
| 20:26.28 | Meaw | thanks anyway |
| 20:26.53 | enouf | Meaw: run the command i posted just beneath what dpkg said |
| 20:26.59 | enouf | as root |
| 20:27.14 | Meaw | ok thanks enouf |
| 20:27.19 | Maliuta | the dpkg line has a URL in it |
| 20:27.30 | Maliuta | follow the link |
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| 20:28.40 | Meaw | allright enouf , i choose the /usr/bin/xfce4-session |
| 20:28.50 | enouf | bingo |
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| 20:28.56 | Meaw | will it work now if i restart X? |
| 20:28.59 | enouf | yep |
| 20:29.05 | Meaw | :) |
| 20:29.07 | Meaw | brb |
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| 20:31.29 | hairy_popper | will etch +kde, gnome or xfce run on open pandora? |
| 20:32.03 | hudu | I don't know what to do. Can Someone please help a noob? My WiFi has worked fine for sometime, now and stopped working this weekend. The wired network is still working fine. |
| 20:32.05 | hudu | I tried reinstalling Madwifi (which is the driver), followed by 'updatedt && reboot' but it hasn't helped. |
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| 20:32.27 | hudu | oops, I meant 'updatedb && reboot' |
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| 20:33.27 | enouf | updatedb only updates the system cache db, that's not what yuo want/need, afaik, unless madwifi directions say to do so |
| 20:33.45 | user0 | I'm having trouble with iptables... |
| 20:33.46 | enouf | and rebooting? |
| 20:34.00 | hudu | I was just trying anything |
| 20:34.03 | user0 | iptables-restore v1.3.6: Unknown arg `--dport' |
| 20:34.10 | catsup | updatedb is only use for the command 'locate'... |
| 20:34.16 | user0 | -I INPUT --dport 56565 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:34.19 | hudu | figured updatedb && reboot wouldn't hurt |
| 20:34.22 | user0 | Is the line it shows the error on. |
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| 20:34.34 | enouf | hudu: iwconfig, iwlist, iwscan are your friends i guess - used network-monitor recently? |
| 20:34.53 | catsup | hudu: why would you try reinstalling madwifi? now you don't know whether you have working madwifi modules... |
| 20:35.05 | catsup | hudu: if you didn't change anything, maybe your network card is broken |
| 20:35.19 | catsup | i had a usb wifi card that just died two days ago :( |
| 20:35.31 | hudu | I use 'NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4' ... don't really know how to use iwdonfig, iwlist or iwscan |
| 20:35.35 | hudu | i'm in gnome |
| 20:35.46 | catsup | it stopped working and when i touched it, it was really hot, now it doesn't work anymore. |
| 20:36.02 | user0 | Doesn't sound like anything software would fix then... |
| 20:36.03 | catsup | hudu: try replacing it with an identical card |
| 20:36.04 | jeronim | my wireless mouse died the same way |
| 20:36.18 | jeronim | very hot, then no work no more |
| 20:36.33 | catsup | they should put temperature sensors on everything |
| 20:36.37 | catsup | not just cpus |
| 20:37.08 | user0 | My CPU died last week :/ |
| 20:37.17 | pickcoder | for a 5V device to get "hot" is a decent feat |
| 20:37.23 | user0 | Anyways, anyone have experience with troubleshooting iptables? |
| 20:37.58 | catsup | you can start a fire with 5v... |
| 20:38.18 | catsup | although i guess it is a feat for an IC |
| 20:38.53 | catsup | user0: it's dports, not dport |
| 20:39.12 | catsup | bad grammar on the part of iptables... |
| 20:39.22 | user0 | all the other rules say dport... |
| 20:39.23 | user0 | and they work |
| 20:39.34 | user0 | Are you sure? |
| 20:39.37 | catsup | oh, nope, i'm wrong |
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| 20:39.56 | user0 | anything else you see wrong with that line? |
| 20:40.54 | catsup | !reboot |
| 20:40.55 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 20:41.14 | catsup | um, for hudu. actually i scrolled up and then forgot i was scrolled up |
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| 20:41.34 | Kifer | zapraszam na www.sonygsm.nmj.pl |
| 20:41.36 | Kifer | zapraszam na www.sonygsm.nmj.pl |
| 20:41.42 | jelly-home | ... |
| 20:41.43 | Kifer | zapraszam na www.sonygsm.nmj.pl |
| 20:41.47 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:41.56 | pinto3 | must be a good website |
| 20:42.05 | pickcoder | if it was it wouldn't need IRC spam |
| 20:42.20 | user0 | stabs |
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| 20:42.25 | catsup | user0: i think you need to specify protocol and maybe source ports, anyway you can't jump right into ports |
| 20:42.32 | catsup | erm |
| 20:42.38 | user0 | -p tcp? |
| 20:42.43 | jelly-home | maybe the spammers go for irc logs and referrals |
| 20:42.46 | catsup | i meant to say, protocol and maybe address |
| 20:42.48 | user0 | what does an irc bouncer use? |
| 20:43.06 | catsup | it sounds like you want -p all |
| 20:43.17 | user0 | the -p tcp part is the only difference between that line and the previous ones |
| 20:43.18 | catsup | oh |
| 20:43.28 | catsup | i mean to get the equivalent of not specifying, -p all |
| 20:43.38 | user0 | ah ok |
| 20:43.40 | catsup | but if you just want to forward one port, then tcp, if it's a tcp port |
| 20:43.42 | user0 | I didn't know that was an option |
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| 20:43.48 | user0 | I'm not sure |
| 20:43.53 | catsup | then it's tcp |
| 20:43.54 | catsup | :) |
| 20:44.10 | user0 | what about udp? |
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| 20:44.54 | catsup | if it was udp, probably you'd nknow. what is it? if it's real-time audio or video or a game maybe it's udp, otherwise, probably not |
| 20:45.04 | user0 | It's an IRC bouncer |
| 20:45.38 | catsup | if an irc client connects to it, it's tcp |
| 20:45.44 | pickcoder | user0: did you ask #iptables? |
| 20:45.55 | pickcoder | I'm not sure, but I think --dport requires a -dest |
| 20:45.59 | user0 | I wasn't aware that, that was an option :p |
| 20:46.29 | Tramp | it requires a protocol (-p), that has a concept of ports. |
| 20:46.34 | pickcoder | the INPUT filter will act on the port switch as incoming port |
| 20:46.44 | pickcoder | if you want destination port then you may have to change the rule |
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| 20:47.56 | pickcoder | Tramp: yeah a port spec request a -p (protocol) |
| 20:48.01 | pickcoder | s/request/requires |
| 20:48.08 | catsup | apparently every rule requires a port, source, and dest |
| 20:48.13 | catsup | erm, protocol, not port |
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| 20:48.48 | catsup | which is stupid since you can set each of them to match anything... |
| 20:49.04 | pickcoder | no.. you don't need a protocol if you act on all packets |
| 20:49.11 | catsup | oh no wait, -p is not required |
| 20:49.13 | madk | i want to install the nvidia driver. therefor i need the linux-kernel-source. Which i already did install (odd thing: i needed to add the symlink linux-->linux-source-2.6.24 manually). Anyway, the nvidiainstaller isnt satisfied with that. it claims that usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h doesnt exist. how do i install the driver? |
| 20:49.34 | catsup | but as tramp said it needs a protocol that has a concept of ports |
| 20:49.36 | Tramp | catsup: you need neither source nor destioination nor protocol. None of it is required |
| 20:49.46 | catsup | oh ok |
| 20:49.58 | catsup | the manual page suggests so... |
| 20:50.30 | Tramp | iptables -A INPUT -j LOG is a perfectly valid rule. All you need is chain and destination (and maybe table, unless the default, filter, is fine for you) |
| 20:50.39 | Hoxzer_ | is there a way to see when package was last updated ? |
| 20:50.55 | ldsdsds | FREE ONLINE TELEVISION www.live-tv.hit.bg |
| 20:50.59 | Eulex | madk, I believe you only need the headers. not the complete source. |
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| 20:51.12 | streuner | hm |
| 20:51.20 | Eulex | !ops ldsdsds is spamming |
| 20:51.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eulex complains about: ldsdsds is spamming |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | thanks staff |
| 20:51.50 | catsup | i like how he says 'open Internet Expoler pls' |
| 20:51.56 | DeFirence | lol |
| 20:51.58 | madk | Eulex: i installed them as well. |
| 20:52.01 | abrotman | it's not even a polish website! |
| 20:52.01 | pickcoder | expoler! |
| 20:52.02 | Phil4 | lets play "spot the guy with the tiny penis" |
| 20:52.07 | DeFirence | worst spammer ever :P |
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| 20:52.57 | streuner | hm, you didn't realize many spammers in the past then :-) |
| 20:53.09 | simonrvn | DeFirence: most of them aren't very bright |
| 20:53.15 | catsup | does that !ops command do anything beyond produce that dpkg line? |
| 20:53.24 | DeFirence | yup |
| 20:53.29 | enouf | ldsdsds did a CTCP PING to #debian <-- the giveaway prior |
| 20:53.29 | pinto3 | i think it sends a message to each op |
| 20:53.35 | tomaw | Quite a few staff have it on hilight too |
| 20:53.36 | Eulex | madk, which way are you trying to compile it? did you try using m-a? |
| 20:53.43 | streuner | catsup: wake up OPs? |
| 20:53.54 | madk | Eulex: what do you mean with m-a? |
| 20:54.04 | Eulex | madk, module-assistant |
| 20:54.07 | catsup | i mean does dpkg do anything beyond that |
| 20:54.18 | streuner | heh |
| 20:54.21 | abrotman | pinto3: it doesn't msg them |
| 20:54.40 | madk | Eulex: no, i did not try with m-a. i downloaded the installer from the nvidia site. |
| 20:55.21 | madk | Eulex: the installer should work just fine since i had installed the driver on the same machine before i reinstalled everything. |
| 20:55.35 | streuner | catsup: what do you think exactly? |
| 20:55.41 | Eulex | madk, running etch, lenny or sid? |
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| 20:55.55 | pickcoder | nvidia and ati are such a pain |
| 20:56.07 | madk | Eulex: i use lenny |
| 20:56.09 | pickcoder | I don't even bother with 3D anymore |
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| 20:56.35 | user0 | I thought ATI was open sourced |
| 20:56.45 | user0 | shouldn't they run pretty flawlessly now? |
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| 20:56.59 | catsup | streuner: maybe it could |
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| 20:57.30 | streuner | catsup: dpkg informs the ISP and the gov., the spammer will shot within the next 24 hours ;-) |
| 20:57.32 | naiv | i have 2 questions ~ : is there a problem with having thousands files in a directory ? is there a problem with having thousands user dirs in /home ? |
| 20:57.37 | catsup | streuner: be attached to a bank of telephones which would send an automated message to every phone line of each op |
| 20:57.39 | PeterF | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0005' near line 1: |
| 20:57.39 | dpkg | PeterF: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:57.39 | PeterF | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.10 | PeterF | Adept broke my database :( |
| 20:58.18 | pickcoder | naiv: I believe is determined by your file system |
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| 20:58.35 | naiv | ext3 ? |
| 20:58.56 | Eulex | madk, get the nvidia packages from unstable; they run well on lenny |
| 20:58.56 | blizzow | What's the recommendation for eye candy on the etch gnome desktop? |
| 20:59.04 | streuner | catsup: i don't think that OPs would like that feature... ;-) |
| 20:59.09 | craigevil | PeterF: adept is buggy as hell its not even in sid if that tells you anything about how buggy it is |
| 20:59.10 | PeterF | naiv, you might want to look into something sophisticated like ldap. |
| 20:59.15 | Tramp | naiv: it can be, becaues directories are looked up in linear fashion. So finding a directory may take time. |
| 20:59.27 | PeterF | craigevil, yes, it does. |
| 20:59.38 | Tramp | naiv: check the dir_index option when creating the filesystem |
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| 20:59.39 | madk | Eulex: you mean i should get the installer with aptitude? or is there an other installer on the nv website? |
| 20:59.43 | Eulex | craigevil, it is in experimental, though |
| 20:59.46 | PeterF | craigevil, and now my system is stuck. |
| 20:59.58 | naiv | dir_index and ldap, thank you |
| 21:00.02 | Eulex | madk, http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx |
| 21:00.08 | Eulex | http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 21:00.20 | Maliuta | catsup: are you on crack? not every iptables rule needs all flags set |
| 21:00.21 | Maliuta | catsup: I think you need to read a HOWTO with examples |
| 21:00.30 | Tramp | naiv: afaik this option can also be specified later (probably with tune2fs) - check it, but only for new directories |
| 21:00.38 | catsup | Maliuta: i was just saying the manual page suggests it does |
| 21:00.58 | naiv | Tramp, yes thats what i've just read |
| 21:01.05 | PeterF | how am I to fix the problem I have? |
| 21:01.06 | madk | Eulex: arm... dont have graphic support yet... browsing the site would be difficult. |
| 21:01.07 | catsup | Maliuta: which is not exactly true |
| 21:01.31 | Eulex | madk, *shrug*, use a text mode web browser |
| 21:01.33 | catsup | Maliuta: (it says that -p is optional) |
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| 21:02.28 | PeterF | What's with the channel limit? |
| 21:02.37 | madk | Eulex: you mean links2 or lynx? |
| 21:03.24 | Eulex | madk, among others. |
| 21:03.37 | Deezire | Anyone remember this old mafia game where you looked from above and had casinos, old cars, tommyguns drive by etcetc? |
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| 21:04.46 | abrotman | Deezire: wrong channel |
| 21:05.23 | madk | Eulex: so i change lenny in my sources.list to sid? |
| 21:05.36 | Eulex | madk, not unless you want to break your system. |
| 21:05.37 | madk | Eulex: then i install nvidia-glx? |
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| 21:05.53 | Deezire | abrotman: Hehe, must be someone here that likes old-school games. :p |
| 21:05.54 | madk | Eulex: oh... so how do i get the package? |
| 21:06.04 | Eulex | madk, you download them, and dpkg -i them |
| 21:06.06 | abrotman | Deezire: wrong channel |
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| 21:07.00 | madk | Eulex: ah, this includes them automaticaly in aptitude? |
| 21:07.02 | Eulex | madk, another way is to do a simple sid backport. /msg dpkg simple sid backport. that might be a little easier. |
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| 21:07.12 | Eulex | madk, define 'include' |
| 21:08.19 | madk | Eulex: so that i could uninstall with aptitude for some reason. |
| 21:08.27 | Eulex | madk, yes, you could. |
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| 21:09.49 | madk | Eulex: installation fails because nvidia-glx-dev has collision with libgl-dev |
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| 21:10.28 | Eulex | madk, you don't need nvidia-glx-dev |
| 21:12.58 | madk | Eulex: right. i didnt see because links2 only shows a few lines.... |
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| 21:15.06 | madk | Eulex: the installation needs nvidia-kernel-169.12... backporting would be the easyer way, i guess |
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| 21:15.32 | Eulex | madk, emh |
| 21:15.50 | o2T7 | hi. How could I keep track of the files that a script changes in my system? |
| 21:15.56 | Eulex | madk, (1) install nvidia-kernel-source (2) build the nvidia kernel module (3) install nvidia-glx |
| 21:16.06 | Eulex | o2T7, you can't |
| 21:16.54 | o2T7 | Eulex: Isn't fam useful for that? |
| 21:16.59 | abrotman | you can play with fam or dnotify |
| 21:17.02 | madk | Eulex: how do i build the nvidia kernel module? arm.. i'll first google and then ask again... but doing goolge on links2 will be... uncomfortable ^^ |
| 21:17.16 | Eulex | madk, m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 21:17.55 | Eulex | o2T7, how are you planning to differentiate things changed by the script and things changed by other processes? but well, you could perhaps do some manual filtering. |
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| 21:19.31 | o2T7 | Eulex: I've been trying with find and access times. I was looking for something like that. I'm just trying to know what does the nvidia installed do actually |
| 21:20.09 | simonrvn | inotify ;) |
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| 21:22.07 | pinto3 | what'd be a good way to log each mount system call? |
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| 21:23.08 | o2T7 | simonrvn: would inotifywait and inotifywatch do the job by their own? |
| 21:23.48 | simonrvn | dunno, haven't played with them. you may also need to tweak some max files tracked stuff in sysctl for it, too. |
| 21:23.55 | madk | Eulex: dpkg tells me that the nvidia-kernel-169.12 isnt installed, but in fact, it is. |
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| 21:24.52 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:24.52 | dpkg | qotd161 is, like, * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
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| 21:25.09 | madk | Eulex: wait a sec... |
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| 21:25.49 | Eulex | madk, nvidia-kernel-169.12 is the virtual package that the package containing the built kernel module contains. ie the one that is produced by m-a. |
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| 21:26.36 | yitz_ | Hi. I want to add some Debian Media programs (eg mencoder) that don't seem to be in the debian repo. Got any idea what the url to debian-multimedia.org's repo would be? |
| 21:27.30 | abrotman | !tell yitz_ about dmm |
| 21:27.36 | abrotman | yitz_: read the instructions there |
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| 21:28.25 | yitz_ | abrotman: Thanks |
| 21:28.33 | Eulex | yitz_, they're on the front page of debian-multimedia.org... |
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| 21:29.00 | madk | Eulex: hmm.. m-a did fail. but the nvidia-installer seems to work now. |
| 21:29.16 | Eulex | madk, define 'fail' |
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| 21:30.08 | nixbox | hi all |
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| 21:30.35 | nixbox | i have a server with three ethernet interfaces, two of them appear to be on the same card, lspci shows me that they are Ethernet Pro 100 |
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| 21:31.08 | nixbox | the problem is that one of them works, the other does not, by working i mean, i have assigned IP addresses to both of them, but only when has an LED turned on, the other is off |
| 21:31.25 | nixbox | what could be the problem, ifconfig is showing three interfaces |
| 21:31.25 | abrotman | nixbox: that's a failover card most likely |
| 21:31.39 | nixbox | abrotman, hmmm |
| 21:31.40 | abrotman | nixbox: the whole device gets one IP .. but has two plugs .. in case one of them breaks |
| 21:32.19 | nixbox | abrotman, so i can actually plug into any one of them and it should work? |
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| 21:33.05 | madk | Eulex: m-a said, i should add contrib or non-free to sources.list to get rid of unsolved debendencies. but i have already added contrib and non-free to sources.lst |
| 21:33.31 | simonrvn | updated yet? |
| 21:33.44 | abrotman | nixbox: one of them will win if they're both plugged in |
| 21:33.50 | Eulex | madk, did you run apt-get update? |
| 21:34.00 | abrotman | nixbox: this is a guess .. since i don't know the actual device you have |
| 21:34.04 | madk | Eulex: yes, i did |
| 21:34.18 | nixbox | abrotman, ok |
| 21:34.27 | Eulex | madk, and the real error, leading to that suggestion from m-a, was what? |
| 21:34.35 | madk | Eulex: maybe sth. from sid was needed, but since i have lenny in sources.list, it couldnt work. |
| 21:34.49 | PeterF | What's with the directories with number in /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 21:34.58 | abrotman | nixbox: should be easy to test though .. plug them both in .. then unplug the 'working' one |
| 21:35.04 | nixbox | abrotman, one more thing, there is a phone handset with a cross on it, on one side of the two RJ-45 jacks, what is that supposed to mean? |
| 21:35.10 | Eulex | madk, the error messages will tell. |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | PeterF: such as ? |
| 21:35.28 | nixbox | abrotman, phone handset sign |
| 21:35.31 | madk | Eulex: where do i find it? i cant scroll up because of the pseudo gui |
| 21:35.45 | PeterF | abrotman, ./updates (I forgot that part) |
| 21:35.48 | Eulex | madk, emh, pseudo gui? |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | nixbox: no idea .. try to find the device manual on intel.com |
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| 21:36.05 | nixbox | abrotman, hmm ok, thanks |
| 21:36.10 | Eulex | madk, shift-pageup? |
| 21:36.23 | ak5 | hmmm my netinstall (low mem) isn't working |
| 21:36.24 | abrotman | PeterF: which version of debian ? |
| 21:36.40 | ak5 | its hanging at "scanning the mirror" any ideas? |
| 21:36.41 | PeterF | abrotman, 1.14.16.6ubuntu1 (i386) |
| 21:36.46 | abrotman | PeterF: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:37.03 | PeterF | abrotman, so that's a specific to Ubuntu and not a Debian thing? |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use ubuntu |
| 21:37.17 | abrotman | i don't know anything about their version of dpkg |
| 21:37.23 | madk | Eulex: shift-pageup dont work. there is some blue-pseudo-gui. you can "press" buttons which were selected with tab. like the menu from make menuconfig. |
| 21:37.30 | PeterF | Kubuntu has issues, that's why I'm in here. Trying to return my system back to a state. |
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| 21:37.40 | abrotman | PeterF: either install debian .. or go to #ubuntu |
| 21:37.49 | madk | Eulex: dmesg doesnt tell anything and in /var/log/ i can not find m-a or module-assistant |
| 21:37.52 | abrotman | PeterF: ubuntu and it's siblings are offtopic here |
| 21:37.54 | abrotman | its |
| 21:37.55 | PeterF | abrotman, I'd rather install Debian, but I've not the time. |
| 21:37.55 | Eulex | madk, what terminal are you using? |
| 21:38.03 | PeterF | abrotman, yeah, but the dpkg system are not. |
| 21:38.06 | abrotman | PeterF: then you don't get support here .. tough shit .. move on |
| 21:38.10 | abrotman | PeterF: THEY ARE |
| 21:38.11 | PeterF | abrotman, dpkg is Debian. |
| 21:38.15 | abrotman | PeterF: last warning |
| 21:38.21 | PeterF | abrotman, ignored. |
| 21:38.23 | PeterF | Fuck you. |
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| 21:38.28 | ak5 | lol |
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| 21:38.31 | Eulex | PeterF, the dpkg of debian is on topic here. the dpkg from ubuntu is not. |
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| 21:38.54 | abrotman | PeterF: please use #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 21:38.54 | madk | Eulex: the --text-mode switch did it. |
| 21:39.01 | Eulex | (yes, they are different) |
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| 21:39.18 | madk | Eulex: m-a tells that nvidia-kernel-source isnt available. |
| 21:39.22 | ak5 | on a completely unrelated note - why is my debian netinstall freezing up while scanning mirror? |
| 21:39.28 | Eulex | madk, install it? |
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| 21:39.41 | abrotman | ak5: it might not be freezing, might just be taking a long time |
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| 21:39.48 | ak5 | abrotman, is that expected? |
| 21:40.00 | abrotman | ak5: the speed of your system and the speed of your internet can make that slow |
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| 21:40.08 | madk | Eulex: dowload from packages.debian.org? |
| 21:40.12 | abrotman | ak5: but you didn't say how slow it was .. so i can't compare |
| 21:40.12 | tolecnal | ak5: probably because no network interface has internet access, and the installer just waits on the connections to time out |
| 21:40.22 | Eulex | madk, yes. |
| 21:40.24 | ak5 | abrotman, I have waited 10 minutes as of now |
| 21:40.25 | Meaw | hey guys, lets say i installed arabic font how can i switch from english font to arabic in desktop? |
| 21:40.32 | ak5 | tolecnal, hmm |
| 21:40.44 | madk | Eulex: i have working glx now. i retried with the nvidia-installer which worked now. |
| 21:40.49 | Eulex | Meaw, change your locale |
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| 21:41.08 | neighborlee | having trouble getting autofs to see my mounted /mnt/usb device , using atm thunar...its working at terminal via ls -l, but thunar shows nothing but blank /mnt/usb , and wondering if its just thunar ( also mc wont show it either) ..thx anyone for some help with this :)) |
| 21:41.14 | madk | Eulex: or would you recommend to undo what i have done and do it the m-a way? |
| 21:41.19 | ak5 | ack I don't have ping in the shell ^_^ |
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| 21:41.35 | hudoo | I don't recall who all tried to help me with my wifi issue, but just to let you know ... after much consternation it occurred to me to unplug the wireless router and plug it back in. That did the trick. What a lot of heartache for nothing :-( ... but it's working now :-) ... yay |
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| 21:42.53 | ak5 | tolecnal, so, how do I fix this? |
| 21:43.15 | Meaw | Eulex, how? |
| 21:43.21 | Eulex | madk, I would, if you have the time. I do not, though; I'm off to bed. |
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| 21:43.48 | tolecnal | ak5: well, from what I can recall it should time out itself in about 60 seconds or so.. so you shouldn't have to be waiting for as long as ten minutes as you said you have. have you tried rebooting the computer and restarting the setup process? |
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| 21:44.11 | Eulex | Meaw, dpkg-reconfigure locales (make sure that the locale you want is generated and that the one you want as default is set as default) |
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| 21:44.36 | madk | Eulex: thanks for helping this far. |
| 21:44.39 | madk | Eulex: gn8 |
| 21:44.43 | Meaw | Eulex, not possible to have Arabic and English? and swtich between them when i want to write on any? like in windows |
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| 21:45.04 | nixbox | abrotman, i looked at the more verbose output of lspci, the device is an Intel PRO/100 S Dual Port Server Adaptor, i have looked at the datasheet, and I think both of them should work simultaneously |
| 21:45.08 | ak5 | tolecnal, well I was trying to avoid that, but here goes :) |
| 21:45.34 | ak5 | damn it all I hate slow computers |
| 21:45.37 | ak5 | :/ |
| 21:45.59 | tolecnal | hehe, don't we all? nobody likes to wait |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | nixbox: you might have to read the driver documentation .. i'm not as rich as you :) |
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| 21:46.30 | Eulex | Meaw, sorry, I shouldn't have answered, I'm on my way out of here :) |
| 21:46.32 | endschranz | hi, where is the correct place to place my iptables config with debian lenny? |
| 21:46.36 | abrotman | nixbox: hzve a URL ? |
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| 21:46.41 | abrotman | endschranz: wherever you'd like |
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| 21:47.05 | endschranz | abrotman: no offfical place? |
| 21:47.17 | nixbox | abrotman, http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/resources/doc_library/data_sheets/server_adapters.pdf |
| 21:47.31 | abrotman | endschranz: not that i'm aware of |
| 21:47.42 | abrotman | endschranz: i've seen most people put them in /etc/ or /var/lib/iptables/ |
| 21:48.06 | endschranz | abrotman: sry me fault, where is the correct place to start the script |
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| 21:48.34 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 21:48.48 | stew | endschranz: in a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:49.29 | endschranz | stew: ok |
| 21:49.37 | abrotman | nixbox: if you dmesg | grep eth .. how many do you get? |
| 21:49.43 | endschranz | abrotman, stew , thx |
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| 21:51.12 | abrotman | nixbox: unless the kernel sees two devices .. i'm not sure you could do what you're asking |
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| 21:52.41 | nixbox | abrotman, i found this http://www.linux.com/feature/133849 , i think this may have the answer |
| 21:53.40 | abrotman | nixbox: related .. but doesn't tell you if it will work with your particular card |
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| 21:54.03 | nixbox | abrotman, yup i know, something worth trying though. |
| 21:54.54 | Meaw | err.. how to install arabic locales ? to use it like ar_SA.UTF-8 ? |
| 21:56.15 | abrotman | stew: should i email you the tar.gz or put it there myself? |
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| 21:58.05 | abrotman | nixbox: if you `lspci | grep -i net` .. how many adapters do you have? |
| 21:58.44 | streuner | Meaw: aptitude install locales? *just a wild guess* |
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| 21:59.19 | Meaw | streuner, i have the locales but when i choose for example ar_SA it says its not installed |
| 21:59.35 | soto | Can anyone tell me an easy way to send UDP data between two computers in order to test UDP throughput? |
| 21:59.42 | thedarkone | is there a way to use a wired usb xbox360 controller in linux? |
| 22:00.00 | ak5 | abrotman, during install, bootstrap into target fails, but if I repeat the base installation part - no errors appear - wierd huh>? |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | soto: netcat has a UDP mode .. but not sure it does what you're looking for |
| 22:00.30 | streuner | Meaw: strange, apis:/home/user# locate ar_SA /usr/share/i18n/locales/ar_SA |
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| 22:01.10 | nixbox | abrotman, 3 |
| 22:01.35 | streuner | Meaw: reinstall locales and just try it again |
| 22:01.35 | abrotman | nixbox: so you should be able to use all three |
| 22:01.51 | pickcoder | nixbox: did you run mii-diag on the devices to see what's up? |
| 22:01.58 | nixbox | pickcoder, no |
| 22:02.09 | soto | abrotman: Yeah I'm trying to use netcat but I guess I'm not clear on how it works for UDP data. |
| 22:02.14 | nixbox | pickcoder, i didnt know if such a thing even existed :P |
| 22:02.24 | Meaw | streuner, in locales to be generated should i choose all locales? |
| 22:02.35 | abrotman | soto: what did you try? |
| 22:02.38 | streuner | Meaw: no, of course not |
| 22:02.43 | soto | abrotman: cat data | nc -u -v q 0 -l p 9997 on server |
| 22:02.54 | streuner | Meaw: only these locales which you want to use |
| 22:03.04 | soto | abrotman: time nc -u -v server 9997 > /dev/null on client |
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| 22:03.14 | Meaw | streuner, i did it all locales before and then canceled it while it was processing now it's marked to ALL locales |
| 22:03.45 | streuner | Meaw: you need only locales for your language |
| 22:04.27 | nixbox | pickcoder, i just ran it, even though there is a device connected to which which is turned on, it is showing link not established |
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| 22:04.54 | abrotman | soto: you're catting data to the listener ? |
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| 22:05.15 | soto | abrotman: Yeah, I want it to be served to the client. |
| 22:05.20 | Meaw | streuner, oh o |
| 22:05.21 | Meaw | ok |
| 22:05.22 | soto | abrotman: No good? |
| 22:05.32 | soto | abrotman: Seems to work for TCP |
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| 22:05.50 | streuner | Meaw: locales is to show chars in apps (which support that) your language |
| 22:06.02 | pickcoder | nixbox: is it set to auto-neg |
| 22:06.08 | nixbox | pickcoder, yes |
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| 22:07.11 | abrotman | soto: it was just an idea .. |
| 22:07.16 | HardDisk_WP | does an ssh server for ARM exist |
| 22:07.23 | HardDisk_WP | which uses less resources than openssh? |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache search ssh server |
| 22:07.37 | ak5 | huh, its working now - thx |
| 22:07.42 | ak5 | wierd :/ |
| 22:07.45 | streuner | HardDisk_WP: packages.debian.org/ssh |
| 22:07.53 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 22:08.13 | abrotman | soto: apt-cache search udp speed .. maybe try one of those |
| 22:08.35 | soto | abrotman: Okay, thanks |
| 22:08.41 | pickcoder | nixbox: ethtool is a similar tool |
| 22:08.55 | pickcoder | if it says the same as mii-tool then something is b0rked with the driver or card |
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| 22:09.24 | HardDisk_WP | apparently not :/ |
| 22:09.27 | HardDisk_WP | that sucks |
| 22:09.39 | HardDisk_WP | 8MB mem usage on a 32MB system :( |
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| 22:11.16 | abrotman | thought he'd seen another sshd |
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| 22:12.25 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, the "ssh" package is metapackage for openssh |
| 22:12.44 | abrotman | i know .. that wasn't what i meant .. i could have sworn i'd seen another ssh daemon |
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| 22:13.33 | cizzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.45 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, hmm...i dont see any other :( |
| 22:13.56 | abrotman | cizzi: it's a zeroconf thing .. learn what zeroconf does .. and that's what avahi does |
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| 22:14.03 | foobar8` | apt-cache search dropbear |
| 22:14.33 | abrotman | foobar8`: that was it |
| 22:14.40 | foobar8` | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache search dropbear |
| 22:15.00 | cizzi | abrotman - thanks |
| 22:15.25 | HardDisk_WP | hell, the NSLU is sloooooow |
| 22:15.28 | foobar8` | HardDisk_WP: typically used on those linksys boxes |
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| 22:15.36 | HardDisk_WP | dropbear - lightweight SSH2 server and client |
| 22:15.40 | HardDisk_WP | thanks! |
| 22:16.03 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: http://unixadmintalk.com/f11/debian-linksys-nslu2-107135/ |
| 22:16.06 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: You de-underclock it yet? =) |
| 22:16.22 | HardDisk_WP | dendrite, it is brand new, and so ships without underclock |
| 22:16.38 | HardDisk_WP | anyway, i use the beeper as piano (combined with an PS/2 => USB keyboard) |
| 22:16.42 | pickcoder | someone cut their memory usage by disabling priviliege seperation |
| 22:16.47 | HardDisk_WP | and it's media streamer |
| 22:17.07 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: Ah. cool. |
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| 22:18.26 | HardDisk_WP | dendrite, and I plan to use it as jukebox |
| 22:18.31 | jim | I'm considering buying an asus dl5xx but I need more info... can debian be installed on one? if so, for what values of xx? |
| 22:18.34 | HardDisk_WP | with an Extigy 2 |
| 22:18.46 | jim | I'd kinda like to see one too |
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| 22:19.18 | keyes | hello |
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| 22:19.44 | keyes | i've a newbie question, why ``useradd -b /home/ -m test`` don't work for me ? |
| 22:19.56 | keyes | what i'm doing wrong ? |
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| 22:20.31 | Meaw | streuner, i got this error http://www.pastebin.ca/1015146 |
| 22:20.46 | Meaw | while im trying to configure locale |
| 22:21.08 | dendrite | keyes: Why not just do "adduser test" ? |
| 22:21.24 | keyes | it's for use in a script |
| 22:21.42 | keyes | and maybe i'll have to use /var/www or other as base dir |
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| 22:26.38 | pickcoder | keyes: did you try without the trailing slash? |
| 22:26.52 | keyes | yes ! |
| 22:26.54 | keyes | and same effect |
| 22:26.59 | pickcoder | wierd |
| 22:27.05 | pickcoder | I normally just use -m |
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| 22:28.23 | dendrite | keyes: By "doesn't work" do you mean the account is not created? |
| 22:28.31 | pickcoder | I think it's a bug in useradd |
| 22:28.37 | keyes | yes but if you vant to put the ~ in /var/www ? There is -d but i just want to know why it don't work |
| 22:28.37 | streuner | Meaw: just purge them all (locales) and re-install locales |
| 22:28.43 | pickcoder | dendrite: it gives syntax help |
| 22:28.51 | pickcoder | and it's legal syntax |
| 22:28.57 | keyes | i think too |
| 22:29.00 | dendrite | Oh. |
| 22:29.02 | keyes | it was to be sure :) |
| 22:29.15 | dendrite | keyes: fwiw, adduser can also take a path spec, I believe. |
| 22:29.16 | pickcoder | it does that on Etch |
| 22:29.25 | Meaw | streuner, ok its fixed.. do i need keyboard layout applet now? |
| 22:29.28 | pickcoder | I'd file a bug report |
| 22:29.36 | keyes | ok |
| 22:29.50 | Meaw | i have ar_SA and en_US add now...but i dont know how to switch between both when i want to type |
| 22:30.10 | pickcoder | grabs the source |
| 22:30.11 | streuner | Meaw: you usually use that in the app. itself |
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| 22:30.43 | pickcoder | meh.. looks like it's part of the base install |
| 22:31.19 | Meaw | streuner, hmm? how .. lets say i want to write arabic here what should i do |
| 22:31.21 | simon | here's something weird. my server has a bunch of filtered ports, but I didn't configure any firewall. what could render them in such a state? |
| 22:31.32 | ak5 | ack - during install I get the Following Message: Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! <-- that means I just reboot and It continues where it left off? |
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| 22:32.27 | pickcoder | oops |
| 22:33.10 | streuner | Meaw: that's rather a keymap issue (x) |
| 22:33.24 | ak5 | any help? |
| 22:33.35 | streuner | Meaw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose the language you want use |
| 22:33.54 | simon | ak5, probably not. |
| 22:33.58 | dendrite | ak5: What flavor of Debian are you installing? |
| 22:34.06 | keyes | pickcoder: yes |
| 22:34.19 | ak5 | dendrite, just the debian stable (netinstall) |
| 22:34.29 | ak5 | simon, yeah, figures -.- |
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| 22:34.40 | keyes | i'm surprised that a old and standard command like useradd can have a bug like this in stable |
| 22:34.47 | dendrite | ak5: Hmph. |
| 22:34.48 | keyes | an* |
| 22:34.53 | streuner | Meaw: and, no idea how to switch between english and arabic |
| 22:34.54 | ak5 | dendrite, ? |
| 22:35.02 | Meaw | streuner, keyboard layout was set to us |
| 22:35.03 | Meaw | errr |
| 22:35.03 | dendrite | ak5: Sorry, no clue here. |
| 22:35.08 | ak5 | dendrite, darn |
| 22:35.20 | ak5 | dendrite, well I'll redo it again ^^ |
| 22:35.21 | streuner | Meaw: hm, maybe some DE (GNOME or KDE) support that |
| 22:35.34 | dendrite | ak5: Try a very minimal install, then go in after and add what you want... |
| 22:35.50 | ak5 | dendrite, isn't that what netinstall does? |
| 22:36.08 | dendrite | ak5: I mean don't tell it to install any machine profile at all. |
| 22:36.13 | abrotman | he'd have to logout at least |
| 22:36.25 | keyes | i think it works in Ubuntu, so it's maybe fixed in testing / sid |
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| 22:36.33 | ak5 | dendrite, I was hoping thats what it does .... ah, you mean just standard system, not desktop environment? |
| 22:36.40 | dendrite | ak5: Exactly |
| 22:36.55 | ak5 | dendrite, yeah I did that - cause I wasn't sure what WM it would give me |
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| 22:37.06 | dendrite | ak5: I generally do that anyhow, to make sure I'm building on a solid foundation, and to avoid installing a bunch of stuff someone else thinks I need. =) |
| 22:37.22 | ak5 | dendrite, yeah, what version of debian are we on now btw :D |
| 22:37.43 | ak5 | dendrite, ah 4, I stopped at 3 |
| 22:38.22 | dendrite | ak5: You're using a Sarge netinstall image? |
| 22:38.49 | ak5 | well, dendrite what WM do you recommend I install for this guy who just wants surfing and basic office stuff on a really old pc (pentium 3) flux? |
| 22:38.52 | ak5 | dendrite, yeah |
| 22:39.24 | dendrite | ak5: I don't know what I'd recomment for your friend. Probably not one of the common, heavy ones. |
| 22:39.39 | dendrite | ak5: I've used icewm before, and it was OK. |
| 22:39.47 | ak5 | dendrite, hmmm yeah - its 500mhz with 64mb ram |
| 22:39.50 | ak5 | so pretty old |
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| 22:40.12 | dendrite | ak5: I'm sure there are folks here with strong opinions about lightweight WM's. |
| 22:40.31 | ak5 | dendrite, yeah I was kinda asking for pointers :D |
| 22:40.48 | ak5 | I know flux xfce gnome kde but thats about it |
| 22:40.54 | dendrite | ak5: Well, like I said, I've used icewm on older/slower machines with good results. |
| 22:41.08 | ak5 | icewm - ok I'll check it out |
| 22:41.49 | dendrite | ak5: I found blackbox to be a bit to ... dark for me, out of the box, and I didn't want to bother trying to theme it. =) |
| 22:42.17 | HardDisk_WP | whats the problem with http://pastebin.ca/1015158 ? |
| 22:42.19 | HardDisk_WP | I miss ~16 MB memory... |
| 22:42.19 | pickcoder | hm.. no source available for passwd via apt |
| 22:42.33 | dendrite | pickcoder: That's ... odd. |
| 22:42.42 | ak5 | dendrite, heh, I personally liked dark themes and transparency until I noticed that you need a pretty lame wallpaper for transparent console |
| 22:42.58 | simon | ak5, there's always semi-transparency. |
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| 22:43.28 | ak5 | simon, yeah, well that gets in the way too if you have high contrast wallpaper (black and white say) |
| 22:43.44 | pickcoder | the source package is "shadow" |
| 22:43.52 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: Why do you think something is wrong? |
| 22:43.52 | ak5 | I'd have to change my whole term emu to green or something |
| 22:44.22 | dendrite | pickcoder: Good to know. Odd, that. |
| 22:44.39 | HardDisk_WP | dendrite, because the processes consume ~8-9 MB, but 22 MB are in-use |
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| 22:44.44 | HardDisk_WP | so there is a diff of 11MB |
| 22:45.01 | Jan1 | Someone here who can help with: wlan, Debian, Kernel 2.6.24, broadcom 3406? |
| 22:45.13 | HardDisk_WP | ipv6 279464 12 |
| 22:45.18 | HardDisk_WP | is this MEGAbytes?! |
| 22:45.20 | abrotman | a broadcom what? |
| 22:45.32 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: buffers? |
| 22:45.53 | HardDisk_WP | dendrite, how do I remove the ipv6 module? i dont use ipv6 anyway |
| 22:45.59 | HardDisk_WP | MyNameIsSLUG:~# rmmod ipv6 |
| 22:45.59 | HardDisk_WP | ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use |
| 22:46.12 | Jan1 | bcm4306 802.11b/g wireless |
| 22:46.25 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: Not sure -- maybe you can blacklist it -- but what's using it? |
| 22:46.31 | HardDisk_WP | no idea |
| 22:46.37 | ak5 | gah I get random errors! |
| 22:46.42 | dendrite | HardDisk_WP: lsmod should tell you. |
| 22:46.43 | HardDisk_WP | all my stuff runs ipv4 |
| 22:46.58 | HardDisk_WP | dendrite, no other kernel module uses ipv6 |
| 22:47.00 | dendrite | ak5: Ain't old hardware fun??? |
| 22:47.02 | HardDisk_WP | maybe some process |
| 22:47.05 | HardDisk_WP | but which one?! |
| 22:47.11 | ak5 | dendrite, it fails the install at random locations |
| 22:47.22 | HardDisk_WP | tcp6 0 0 [::]:ssh [::]:* LISTEN 1814/dropbear |
| 22:47.23 | HardDisk_WP | argh |
| 22:47.35 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: you have to blacklist ipv6 and net-pf-10 |
| 22:47.35 | dendrite | ak5: Ugh. |
| 22:47.41 | pickcoder | then reboot |
| 22:47.42 | ak5 | dendrite, yeah, very ugh |
| 22:47.54 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, k |
| 22:48.06 | abrotman | Jan1: do NOT msg me |
| 22:48.15 | ak5 | :'( Well, I'll go grab something to read - I just finished my book - nayone got some suggestions? |
| 22:48.18 | abrotman | !tell Jan1 about bcm43xx |
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| 22:48.24 | ak5 | preferably links :) |
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| 22:48.28 | dendrite | ak5: Does the issue get worse over time? Maybe just a clogged cpu cooler? |
| 22:48.32 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, shouldn't there be ipv4 as module?! |
| 22:48.52 | ak5 | dendrite, nah, I checked for that - I've had a history with gentoo and compiling source |
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| 22:49.16 | pickcoder | ipv4 is built into the kernel |
| 22:49.21 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 22:49.24 | ak5 | dendrite, good idea though - not many would check for something like that ;) |
| 22:49.24 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 22:50.08 | ak5 | so no reading tips? :P |
| 22:50.35 | dendrite | prints out all the man pages and hands the lot to ak5 |
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| 22:50.41 | dendrite | ;-) |
| 22:50.53 | ak5 | dendrite, nah manpages without color isn't fun :) |
| 22:51.20 | dendrite | Ah, is THAT what makes man pages so useful. |
| 22:51.33 | ak5 | color? obviously |
| 22:51.33 | \amethyst | ak5: the distinct fonts serve the same purpose |
| 22:51.54 | ak5 | \amethyst, heh |
| 22:52.07 | pickcoder | heh.. you can only use -b to show/set default values |
| 22:52.33 | pickcoder | I wonder if that's a "feature" or a "bug" |
| 22:52.59 | keyes | i think it's a bug cause |
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| 22:53.14 | keyes | # useradd -b /home/ -m ploupi fail on ecth |
| 22:53.17 | pickcoder | well it wouldn't be a bug if the context of -b was for use only with -D |
| 22:53.18 | keyes | but works on sid |
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| 22:53.27 | hellues | !paste |
| 22:53.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:53.33 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:54.35 | pickcoder | line 1029 and 1030 of useradd.c should be commented or removed |
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| 22:55.55 | abrotman | bug file time! |
| 22:56.33 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 22:56.36 | pickcoder | I got a PAM error though |
| 22:56.39 | dendrite | Sounds like maybe the hardware clock is also on CDT |
| 22:56.43 | dendrite | Oops. |
| 22:56.50 | keyes | hum |
| 22:57.13 | keyes | just use -d instead and do the concat yourself (yes it's crappy) |
| 22:59.06 | pickcoder | wierd.. I'm root but it's prompting for root pwd |
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| 23:01.52 | Deezire | are there any tools that can send me mails etc on system status every day>? |
| 23:01.59 | Deezire | Like disk-usage, uptime etc etc |
| 23:02.06 | abrotman | you can just create one |
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| 23:02.25 | Maliuta | Deezire: cron+mailx |
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| 23:03.58 | simon | Deezire, disk usage: `df -h`. if you want nice graphs, try searching for 'linux system monitor'. can't really think of any in specific. |
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| 23:04.50 | ak5 | hurray for debian |
| 23:05.09 | ak5 | it's almost done installing - mind you I tried 6 other distros before |
| 23:05.48 | ak5 | even no-brainers like xubuntu or puppy failed me :/ |
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| 23:09.57 | thedarkone | is there a way to use a wired usb xbox360 controller in linux? |
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| 23:12.16 | abrotman | thedarkone: google ? |
| 23:12.23 | PhorceP | Can anyone think of a reason why I would end up with a single 2GB file when /dev/sda is 36GB? dd if=/dev/sda | bzip2 -c | split -b 2000m - /mnt/fat32/backup.bz2. |
| 23:12.37 | abrotman | thedarkone: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+xbox+360+controller&btnG=Google+Search |
| 23:12.47 | zinx | PhorceP: FAT32 would be a reason |
| 23:12.56 | pickcoder | keyes: I'm filing a bug report |
| 23:12.59 | zinx | PhorceP: FAT32 doesn't support files >2GB |
| 23:13.17 | PhorceP | zinx: That's why it's run through split... |
| 23:13.45 | abrotman | PhorceP: you're using it wrong ? |
| 23:13.57 | keyes | ok :) |
| 23:13.59 | abrotman | isn't it split -b 2000m - ? |
| 23:14.13 | zinx | PhorceP: try 2000M? |
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| 23:14.52 | Meaw | i've got alsa configured and i choosed the sound device.. but when i play an audio file in mplayer it says cannot open audio device |
| 23:14.53 | zinx | PhorceP: there's also the possibility that your 36GB /dev/sda compresses to less than 2GB |
| 23:15.06 | shadowarts | is there a way to list packages installed by what repo they came from? |
| 23:15.40 | PhorceP | zinx: All of the split examples I find use lowercase 'm' for that. It is also highly unlikely that it would compress to *exactly* 2GB |
| 23:16.19 | zinx | PhorceP: 2000*1024*1024 bytes, you mean? |
| 23:16.27 | PhorceP | abrotman: and "split -b 200m - " is what I have typed there |
| 23:16.40 | abrotman | not according to what you pasted here |
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| 23:16.57 | zinx | PhorceP: do you have it mounted as fat or vfat? |
| 23:17.05 | PhorceP | zinx: vfat |
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| 23:17.24 | PhorceP | abrotman: Here it is again: split -b 2000m - /mnt/fat32/b64.bz2. |
| 23:17.29 | zinx | PhorceP: is this a debian system? |
| 23:17.48 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
| 23:17.50 | zinx | PhorceP: specificly, are the verions of dd, bzip2, and split from debian |
| 23:17.54 | ak5 | dendrite, heh I got it installed! So now just apt-get install X icewm etcetc? |
| 23:18.04 | abrotman | PhorceP: that's not whati said |
| 23:18.06 | dendrite | ak5: Right. |
| 23:18.16 | ak5 | dendrite, do you have a set of nifty instructions to go by so I don;t forget anything? |
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| 23:18.47 | PhorceP | abrotman: "<abrotman> isn't it split -b 2000m - ?" I'm not seeing a difference... |
| 23:19.02 | abrotman | split -b 2000m - /mnt/fat32/b64.bz2. vs split -b 2000m - |
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| 23:19.36 | abrotman | i was just asking |
| 23:19.38 | ak5 | dendrite, thats a no? |
| 23:19.51 | zinx | wonders if he's supposed to read PhorceP's mind to find the answer to his question |
| 23:19.56 | dendrite | ak5: Sorry, got pulled away. |
| 23:20.05 | Nyle | it was my bad anyway |
| 23:20.05 | abrotman | !give zinx esp |
| 23:20.06 | dpkg | gives zinx esp |
| 23:20.07 | Nyle | carry on |
| 23:20.09 | dendrite | But yeah, not specific instructions. |
| 23:20.28 | zinx | PhorceP: dd, bzip2, and split can be compiled without large file support |
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| 23:20.32 | n3kl | Anyone got debian on a PS3? |
| 23:20.37 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:20.41 | ak5 | dendrite, yeah ok, its debian - it'll work ootb |
| 23:20.45 | Nyle | debian on a ps3 |
| 23:20.48 | Nyle | interesting |
| 23:20.48 | PhorceP | zinx: I'm not running this command from Debian |
| 23:20.51 | zinx | PhorceP: that would certainly cause the problem you're having, giving a 'no space left on device' or similar error |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | n3kl: debian.org/ports/ .. google .. go look |
| 23:20.56 | Nyle | !ps3 |
| 23:20.56 | dpkg | hmm... ps3 is a gaming console known for having a bad rep mostly because of its extreme cost.this has been fixed as of e3 2007 as sony has put in place a price drop to drop the current price to 499.99 USD.The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 50gb,with companies currently developing 200gb discs.It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's,of which do all the works of games,media,etc.7 of |
| 23:21.02 | zinx | PhorceP: Debian's utilities, however, are compiled with large file support. |
| 23:21.10 | Nyle | eh |
| 23:21.14 | dam85 | hello everybody.....i bounght a webcam, what have i to install to use this webcam? |
| 23:21.19 | n3kl | abrotman: I know its possible. I am more looking for a first hand experience that can tell me about the performance. |
| 23:21.21 | PhorceP | zinx: I'm not getting any errors though, it's just silently completing afaict |
| 23:21.30 | abrotman | n3kl: debian.org/ports/ .. google .. go look |
| 23:21.39 | zinx | PhorceP: it's possible dd or bzip2's getting it and everything else is just ending |
| 23:21.47 | Nyle | http://ps3.keshi.org/debian-live/ <-- debian live for ps3 |
| 23:21.54 | zinx | PhorceP: i'd try a different live cd (if that's what you're using) |
| 23:21.58 | PhorceP | zinx: Yeah, that's a problem |
| 23:22.01 | dam85 | ? |
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| 23:22.03 | ak5 | dendrite, one thing though, apt-get install xorg gives me a crap load of stuff (modular xorg I take it) but do I need it all? |
| 23:22.13 | PhorceP | zinx: I'm using this: http://www.plop.at/en/ploplinux.html booting from PXE and NFS |
| 23:22.28 | zinx | PhorceP: does the machine have a CD drive? |
| 23:22.41 | PhorceP | zinx: Nope, trying to do this without one |
| 23:22.53 | dendrite | ak5: No idea. |
| 23:23.08 | ak5 | dendrite, I take it you take it? |
| 23:23.12 | ak5 | :D |
| 23:23.21 | dam85 | i have to install http://packages.debian.org/sid/gspca-modules-2.6-686-bigmem but i have 2.6.25-1-686-bigmem what can i do? |
| 23:23.23 | zinx | PhorceP: do you have any temp space (like a ramdisk)? you -may- (-may-, the libc's may be incompatible) be able to extract Debian's dd/bzip2/split |
| 23:23.28 | zinx | PhorceP: and use those instead |
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| 23:23.57 | dendrite | ak5: It may be possible to install xserver-xorg and whatnot more specifically, by not using the metapackage. |
| 23:24.16 | ak5 | dendrite, ok, I'll just shoot for meta and weed out as I go along |
| 23:24.24 | zinx | PhorceP: but the libc has to have support for large files too, i think.. it probably does, but it may not |
| 23:24.47 | zinx | PhorceP: (the incompatibility i was talking about would be more to do with versions :P ) |
| 23:24.47 | PhorceP | zinx: I will see about that. I'll also try Slax (which I have on a USB key) |
| 23:24.51 | Nyle | hm |
| 23:24.53 | Nyle | !ps3 |
| 23:24.53 | dpkg | ps3 is, like, a video game console. The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 50gb, with companies currently developing 200gb discs. It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's. debian live for ps3 is at http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live -- you can easily try and install Debian GNU/Linux on PS3 with this single CD |
| 23:25.00 | Nyle | good enough, w/e |
| 23:25.13 | zinx | PhorceP: you can boot most live CDs off a USB key by using syslinux |
| 23:25.22 | Nyle | obviously not supported here |
| 23:25.36 | PhorceP | zinx: I looked at that but it looked like a huge timesink |
| 23:26.13 | zinx | PhorceP: seemed pretty easy to me, when i booted the Debian install CD on my server (which has no CD/DVD drive, and hasn't ever), and proceeded to install to a flash drive and RAID |
| 23:26.26 | PhorceP | I've got the Debian net install set up to PXE boot, so maybe I can try booting into the single user mode of that |
| 23:26.45 | zinx | the debian net install has no utilities |
| 23:27.07 | PhorceP | hmm |
| 23:27.11 | PhorceP | yeah |
| 23:27.32 | dam85 | ?? |
| 23:28.31 | dam85 | can i not install this package ? |
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| 23:28.42 | Nyle | dam85, ? |
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| 23:28.58 | Nyle | hm |
| 23:29.10 | dam85 | Nyle:i have to install http://packages.debian.org/sid/gspca-modules-2.6-686-bigmem but i have 2.6.25-1-686-bigmem what can i do? |
| 23:29.21 | Nyle | i just read |
| 23:29.37 | dam85 | have i to install this packege from the source ? |
| 23:29.45 | dam85 | http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html ?? |
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| 23:30.21 | Nyle | well I am not really sure |
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| 23:30.39 | dam85 | mmmm |
| 23:30.40 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 23:30.40 | dpkg | [snapshots] an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 23:30.52 | Nyle | sid seems to have .24 |
| 23:30.59 | Nyle | you have .25 so yeh, sdn |
| 23:31.02 | abrotman | sid has .25 |
| 23:31.09 | Nyle | so it does |
| 23:31.15 | Nyle | hm |
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| 23:31.39 | dam85 | i think is better to install from source |
| 23:31.39 | dam85 | no? |
| 23:31.42 | Nyle | no |
| 23:31.45 | Nyle | use packages |
| 23:31.51 | Nyle | they were made for a reason |
| 23:32.00 | dam85 | i tried to isntall with apt-get install, but i get some depends errors |
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| 23:32.06 | Nyle | then again if you need to you can build from the package source or the upstream soruce |
| 23:32.09 | Nyle | w/e you want |
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| 23:32.40 | Nyle | dam85, you are using testing or unstable? |
| 23:32.45 | dam85 | sid |
| 23:33.00 | dam85 | i don't know exactly |
| 23:33.03 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 23:33.11 | Nyle | !version |
| 23:33.11 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 23:33.14 | dam85 | is there a command to know the disto? |
| 23:33.24 | dam85 | 2.6.25-1-686-bigmem |
| 23:33.35 | dam85 | damiano:/home/damiano# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:33.35 | dam85 | lenny/sid |
| 23:33.36 | abrotman | what's the error you get from aptitude ? |
| 23:33.37 | ak5 | whats the cli pasting util for in debian reos called? |
| 23:33.41 | ak5 | *repos |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | the what? |
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| 23:33.57 | Nyle | cli paster |
| 23:33.59 | abrotman | to paste to a pastebin ? |
| 23:34.02 | ak5 | yeah |
| 23:34.03 | Nyle | yeh |
| 23:34.03 | abrotman | or to create your sources.list ? |
| 23:34.07 | ak5 | no |
| 23:34.08 | abrotman | !tell ak5 about pastewithoutx |
| 23:34.18 | dam85 | i past the error |
| 23:34.26 | ak5 | I am listening :D |
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| 23:34.49 | Nyle | dam85, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 23:34.58 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/316177 |
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| 23:35.12 | dam85 | ---> 500 http://debian.fastweb.it unstable/main Packages |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | dam85: you would install a .24 kernel from snapshot.debian.net (or get it from lenny) and then install your gspciaiamaiaia modules |
| 23:35.52 | ak5 | nt a package name for nopaste equivelant on debian |
| 23:35.53 | DeFirence | lol |
| 23:36.02 | ak5 | ? |
| 23:36.12 | dam85 | abrotman: but, can i not build from package? |
| 23:36.13 | DeFirence | linux just earned a point vs freebsd in my books |
| 23:36.28 | DeFirence | :p |
| 23:36.30 | ak5 | DeFirence, 1 to 0 ? |
| 23:36.36 | kgod | DeFirence: Now if we'd earned a pint, we'd be *really* excited. |
| 23:36.38 | DeFirence | yup |
| 23:36.47 | DeFirence | hah |
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| 23:37.23 | kgod | DeFirence: What'd we do? |
| 23:37.25 | ak5 | abrotman, pls tell me the package name for the utility - dpkg bot tells me about mouse in console and whatnot |
| 23:37.34 | Nyle | !dbugs #425226 |
| 23:37.37 | dpkg | #425226:W[wnpp] ITP: pastebinit -- command-line pastebin client; Sun, 20 May 2007 10:00:01 UTC |
| 23:37.48 | ak5 | thx |
| 23:37.52 | DeFirence | its not what you did, but rather what they did :P |
| 23:38.14 | Nyle | but... its being worked on |
| 23:38.14 | DeFirence | linux support > freebsd support |
| 23:38.18 | dam85 | ? |
| 23:38.22 | DeFirence | i was told to use linux and gtfo |
| 23:38.23 | DeFirence | haha |
| 23:38.30 | kgod | DeFirence: ... and WRT random reboots, I'd vote HW as well. I'd run memtest86+ overnight (it ususually *doesn't* prove anything, but it keeps you our of our hair for a few hours), visually scan your mobo for leaking caps (capacitors), and check your /var/log/messages, /var/log/kern.log, and /var/log/syslog for any oopses, panics, or other oddments. |
| 23:38.41 | dam85 | can i only to install .24 kernel version :/ ? |
| 23:38.42 | kgod | DeFirence: Heh. |
| 23:38.47 | Nyle | !tell ak5 -about itp |
| 23:38.56 | Nyle | ak5, you want to help? |
| 23:39.22 | ak5 | Nyle, well, not right now |
| 23:39.26 | abrotman | !pastebin pipe |
| 23:39.26 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 23:39.31 | abrotman | grr |
| 23:39.32 | ak5 | Nyle, I need to get this system up and running first |
| 23:39.42 | abrotman | !pastercat |
| 23:39.42 | dpkg | methinks pastercat is a hack that lets you upload data to a <paster> when you're stuck without an easy way to copy-and-paste into a browser. Use the command: eval `wget -O- https://secure.dlitz.net/pastercat.sh | sh` |
| 23:39.46 | Nyle | well if you need a cli pastebin client in a package.. then you just contact the new maintainer and tell him you want to help |
| 23:39.48 | abrotman | should i keep going ? |
| 23:39.55 | Nyle | yes |
| 23:39.56 | Nyle | you should |
| 23:40.37 | ak5 | abrotman, sooo complicated |
| 23:40.47 | dam85 | :( |
| 23:40.49 | ak5 | why install perl if I just want to paste? |
| 23:40.51 | Nyle | ak5, not everyone can be as smart as him |
| 23:41.02 | ak5 | Nyle, guess not :'( |
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| 23:41.19 | Nyle | though a cli web browser + gpm should help a lot |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | ak5: what are you trying to paste? |
| 23:41.32 | abrotman | ak5: does the system have internet? |
| 23:41.32 | Nyle | in fact, using a cli text browsr, you could upload text files to the pastebin |
| 23:41.47 | Nyle | there are many ways |
| 23:41.53 | ak5 | abrotman, yes sir it does :D |
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| 23:42.03 | abrotman | and you're trying to paste what? |
| 23:42.20 | ak5 | abrotman, wierd errors for apt-get install xorg |
| 23:42.23 | Nyle | you could try http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=*paste*&term=key <<-- has all the factoids containing *paste* in the dpkg bot |
| 23:42.45 | Nyle | just have to know how to search... |
| 23:42.52 | Nyle | you can even find god, as they say. |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | ak5: can you get the output to a file ? |
| 23:43.07 | ak5 | abrotman, normaly I'd do something like <command> | paster or <command> > file && paster <file> |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | i just showed you |
| 23:43.21 | ak5 | abrotman, ok |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | ak5: just get the output to a file .. then use #flood |
| 23:43.42 | ak5 | abrotman, ah, well i'd need irssi or something then first :D |
| 23:43.54 | ak5 | abrotman, minimal debian install :D |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | yeah ... with xorg |
| 23:44.57 | Nyle | http://pastebin.ca/tools.php |
| 23:45.10 | Nyle | paste2pastebin.pl |
| 23:45.10 | ak5 | abrotman, no, without |
| 23:45.11 | Nyle | This tool, written by Fred Blaise and update by Slepp, is used to send a paste to the Pastebin from a command line. It can create the paste with options as well, allowing for expiry and other values to be set. |
| 23:45.15 | dam85 | ?? |
| 23:45.26 | dam85 | nobody use webcams? |
| 23:45.32 | abrotman | ak5: you're trying to install xorg? but it's a minimal system? |
| 23:45.32 | Nyle | a lot of people do |
| 23:45.36 | Nyle | ask your real question dam85 |
| 23:45.50 | streuner | dam85: find a driver for it |
| 23:46.01 | Nyle | streuner, oh i guess he did ask |
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| 23:46.02 | ak5 | abrotman, close! ;) I have a minimal system, but I want to install xorg |
| 23:46.07 | streuner | hm |
| 23:46.14 | Nyle | ak5, minimal + xorg just sounds wrong ;) |
| 23:46.26 | abrotman | ak5: so install irssi .. then uninstall it later .. problem solved |
| 23:46.27 | ak5 | Nyle, past tense |
| 23:46.51 | ak5 | abrotman, yeah, but I still think debian should have a pastebin utility |
| 23:46.59 | dam85 | streuner: i don't found any drivers |
| 23:47.17 | streuner | dam85: well, sell the webcam then and buy another (supported) one |
| 23:47.32 | Nyle | Ihave a one |
| 23:47.39 | Nyle | it is a logitech quickcame pro |
| 23:47.45 | Nyle | it works perfectly in all debians since sarge |
| 23:47.59 | Nyle | shity quality cuz the cam sucks, but otherwise it works great |
| 23:48.15 | dam85 | but i saw this webcam works fine with linux |
| 23:48.15 | streuner | i know, the driver sucks :-) |
| 23:48.16 | Maliuta | I have a quickcam orbit, you need the pwc drivers for it. But thats no biggie |
| 23:48.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:48.34 | Nyle | streuner, I should have said, it works perfectly *well enough* |
| 23:48.42 | streuner | true :-) |
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| 23:49.19 | dam85 | http://cgi.ebay.it/OTTIMO-KIT-VOIP-WEB-CAM-CUFFIE-MICROFONO-EMTEC_W0QQitemZ250225882826QQihZ015QQcategoryZ61841QQcmdZViewItem |
| 23:49.26 | dam85 | windows-linux-mac |
| 23:49.28 | streuner | well, there are network webcams (you don't need any driver) for these |
| 23:49.35 | Nyle | dam85, you need to go to ##hardware for that |
| 23:50.00 | abrotman | he does ? |
| 23:50.04 | Nyle | you can actually just type a model name + debian in google |
| 23:50.06 | hellues | i love nightwish yeahhhhhhhh |
| 23:50.11 | streuner | network webcams are expensiver, but they work for sure and you don't have a driver issue |
| 23:50.11 | Nyle | see if the one you wants works |
| 23:50.12 | Maliuta | I also find that there isn't alot of desktop software for linux that makes use of the webacams |
| 23:50.16 | hellues | sorry :D |
| 23:50.18 | Nyle | streuner, ; |
| 23:50.22 | Nyle | streuner, 'more expensive' |
| 23:50.23 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:50.31 | Nyle | but of course, your way is more funner |
| 23:50.32 | streuner | yes |
| 23:50.33 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:50.34 | Maliuta | there are server type things, not much desktop stuff though |
| 23:50.43 | streuner | Nyle: :-P |
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| 23:51.19 | Nyle | man |
| 23:51.27 | Nyle | its been such a long time i feel like toking tonight |
| 23:51.42 | Nyle | fuck it, its time for one night, see ya'll im gonna go get some green |
| 23:51.57 | abrotman | thought you quit again |
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| 23:52.10 | Nyle | argh.. i know i shouldn't |
| 23:52.15 | dendrite | I hate the way that stuff makes me feel fuzzy for days. |
| 23:52.21 | Nyle | yeh i know |
| 23:52.24 | Nyle | thats what I'm dreadin |
| 23:52.27 | streuner | one of these webcams would be -> http://80.152.212.147/view/view.shtml (AXIS 2130), but this webcam costs about 1000 bucks |
| 23:52.29 | Nyle | i finally got a clear head |
| 23:52.35 | Nyle | ah fuck it, i'll stay sober |
| 23:52.37 | Nyle | I drink or something |
| 23:52.59 | Nyle | yeh fuck it, im not smoking again |
| 23:53.03 | Nyle | w/e |
| 23:53.08 | streuner | haha |
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| 23:53.14 | abrotman | and still .. no one cares |
| 23:53.27 | jberg- | is flash player the reason iceweasel is so FUCKING slow? |
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| 23:53.30 | Nyle | only if you had the balls to show up at the etch release party... |
| 23:53.33 | Nyle | only if... |
| 23:53.35 | jberg- | i mean, its totally unusable |
| 23:53.38 | streuner | jberg: no |
| 23:53.43 | abrotman | you'd have what? sat in the corner and ignored everyone anyways? |
| 23:53.54 | streuner | jberg: its the fucking plugin which isn't free ;-) |
| 23:53.55 | jberg- | streuner: so its just iceweasel/linux? |
| 23:54.00 | abrotman | jberg-: it can be a good reason depending on the flash involved |
| 23:54.18 | jberg- | streuner: hm, well if i uninstall it should iceweasel be quicker? |
| 23:54.33 | jberg- | if not i cant use iceweasel |
| 23:54.55 | streuner | jberg: dude, this stuff is NOT free..., so you use software which made from third party |
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| 23:55.15 | streuner | Don't blame Debian then... |
| 23:55.19 | Nyle | i blame debian |
| 23:55.25 | streuner | omg |
| 23:55.26 | Nyle | its all debian's fault |
| 23:55.28 | Nyle | im addicted |
| 23:55.31 | Nyle | hehe, brb |
| 23:55.48 | jberg- | yes i understand its not free, i dont give a shit if its free or not. im just wondering if iceweasel will be quicker if i uninstall it |
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| 23:56.05 | jberg- | if the plugin is the reason why its slow as shit |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | jberg-: iceweasel has a safe mode .. try it .. see if it's better |
| 23:56.28 | extor | What's a good forensics-oriented liveCD distro? Or is a knoppix DVD good enough generally? |
| 23:56.42 | dam85 | bye bye |
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| 23:56.57 | dendrite | extor: Helix? |
| 23:57.12 | extor | helix, does it have unique goodies? |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | !helix |
| 23:57.19 | dpkg | [helix] open multi-format digital media platform http://www.helixcommunity.org/, or double |
| 23:57.27 | abrotman | that's not it |
| 23:57.30 | abrotman | !helixlinux |
| 23:57.30 | dpkg | well, helixlinux is http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 23:57.34 | dendrite | extor: Fortunately, I've not had very much use for it. |
| 23:57.39 | jberg- | abrotman: hm cant fint safemode anywhere. what does safemode do? |
| 23:57.50 | extor | heh |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | man iceweasel .. search for safe |
| 23:58.12 | Selveste1 | Hey - dos db4.0r3 support UDF2.5 ? |
| 23:58.40 | jberg- | abrotman: ah ok thanks |
| 23:58.42 | streuner | its prolly a kernel-issue |
| 23:58.57 | streuner | you could use any kernel in 4.0r3 |
