| 00:00.23 | jberg- | i think safe-mode made it more responsive. thanks |
| 00:00.51 | abrotman | use it for 10 minutes before you say that |
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| 00:01.05 | jberg- | yes, thats why i said think :) |
| 00:01.20 | jberg- | first impression at least |
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| 00:02.26 | rares000 | if I load ndiswrapper and it doesn't create the device what is the issue/. |
| 00:02.57 | rares000 | also how do I tell debian I want the amd64 versions of apps' |
| 00:03.07 | jberg- | another thing, every time i start iceweasel it asks if i want to make it default browser, i always click yes :( |
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| 00:03.28 | streuner | rares000: laptop? /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 00:04.26 | jelly-home | Selveste1: looking at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=295&atid=300295, it seems that 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 kernels need patching for udf 2.5 |
| 00:04.49 | dFence | *wave* can anyone see me? :D |
| 00:04.56 | streuner | no |
| 00:05.00 | dFence | good. |
| 00:05.14 | Selveste1 | thnx :D |
| 00:05.26 | dFence | keep getting these friggin messages from the nickserver even though i identified myself like 10 times... |
| 00:05.33 | Selveste1 | reboot to load new kernel :) |
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| 00:07.33 | rares000 | how do I change the default architecture? |
| 00:07.51 | ak5 | gawddamn |
| 00:08.01 | abrotman | rares000: you can't |
| 00:08.07 | dFence | hey... kinda stuck here with something: i vaguely recall a friend of mine describing a procedure/architecture for a hotel that would allow guests to access the internet via LAN/WLAN but only after they signed up and got some sort of certificate... does anyone know what i'm talking about / can point me in the right direction how to realize sth like that? |
| 00:08.29 | dendrite | dFence: NoCatAuth? |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | dFence: not debian related .. but basically you're talking about some sort of auth proxy |
| 00:08.38 | ak5 | dFence, slip of paper with wepkey? |
| 00:08.54 | rares000 | i want to go to amd64 |
| 00:09.10 | dFence | abrotman: sounds like that, yah - thx. |
| 00:09.14 | abrotman | !info chillispot |
| 00:09.15 | dpkg | chillispot: (Wireless LAN Access Point Controller), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0-9 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 00:09.18 | abrotman | maybe that kind of thing ? |
| 00:09.27 | dFence | dendrite: is that a procedure or server? |
| 00:09.45 | abrotman | and no .. i've never used it |
| 00:09.53 | dendrite | dFence: gateway server |
| 00:10.01 | rares000 | most hotels you can get away with manual as long as you have their password |
| 00:10.07 | dFence | dendrite: sounds even better |
| 00:10.20 | abrotman | dFence: http://www.chillispot.info/ |
| 00:10.24 | dendrite | http://nocat.net/ |
| 00:10.26 | dFence | thx guys! |
| 00:10.27 | abrotman | rares000: and that's what he's talking about |
| 00:10.57 | dFence | rares000: judging by our luck so far, we're gonna be the first hotel where logs won't cut the cheese. |
| 00:11.06 | ak5 | why does my network fail randomly (it grabs 30 packages off a mirror, then starts getting really slow - then stops) |
| 00:11.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | try another mirror |
| 00:11.28 | ak5 | abrotman, ok |
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| 00:12.20 | rares000 | well the places i've been their dhcp was busted so i had to use a static address stupid thing let me pick any address i liked |
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| 00:14.41 | Meaw | sound does work on root but doesnt work for user why? |
| 00:14.55 | Meaw | i tried mpg123 filename.mp3 on root and it works |
| 00:14.58 | cast | permissions |
| 00:15.06 | cast | add yourself to the audio group |
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| 00:15.07 | dendrite | Meaw: add yourself to the 'audio' group. |
| 00:15.16 | Meaw | cast, i did but still the same |
| 00:15.25 | Phase | I think I hit some kind of key combination, but now I cannot use the keyboard on my linux (gnome) computer. I can use the keyboard to login with my username and password, but once it gets to the actual desktop it stops working. Any ideas? |
| 00:15.26 | cast | did you relogin? |
| 00:15.29 | Meaw | should i restart something after i add the user to the audio group? |
| 00:15.32 | dendrite | Meaw: You'll have to logout and back in for that to take effect. |
| 00:15.41 | Meaw | logout from what? console? |
| 00:15.47 | dendrite | Meaw: Yes. |
| 00:16.01 | dendrite | Meaw: From whatever session is trying to hit the audio hw. |
| 00:16.46 | Meaw | should i logout from irc and pidgin too/ |
| 00:16.47 | Meaw | ? |
| 00:17.09 | abrotman | if you're in X .. logout |
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| 00:17.29 | Meaw | allright |
| 00:17.30 | Meaw | brb |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | oh goodie |
| 00:17.53 | Phase | Any ideas on my issue? I've tried restarting the computer too. |
| 00:19.15 | ak5 | netselect of 110 is normal? |
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| 00:25.07 | dFence | darn... im so stupid... been reading around it for weeks: RADIUS >_< |
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| 00:25.59 | rares000 | I'm beginning to think i might want to replace my wireless chip |
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| 00:30.26 | ak5 | ok this is very strange: my fresh minimal debian install will stop being able to ping google after 10 -15 minutes |
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| 00:32.11 | peterrooney | ak5: perhaps your ISP (like mine) is handing out stupidly short DHCP leases? |
| 00:32.35 | ak5 | peterrooney, haha xD. That isn't my problem though |
| 00:33.04 | ak5 | peterrooney, may I ask which isp? |
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| 00:34.06 | ak5 | well no matter - I am off to bed |
| 00:34.08 | ak5 | byebye |
| 00:34.19 | Rockj | Hi. Im using debian lenny, and wondering how I can tell why packages is kept back in apt-get update && apt-get upgrade... |
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| 00:36.19 | Taba | hi |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | Rockj: aptitude why-not foo |
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| 00:36.49 | abrotman | Rockj: but in general .. a full-upgrade/dist-upgrade will upgrade the stuff held back |
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| 00:37.11 | Rockj | mhm, a dist-upgrade does it..just afraid of breaking stuff |
| 00:37.13 | Rockj | but.. |
| 00:37.18 | Rockj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.18 | Rockj | The package "wordpress" is manually installed. |
| 00:37.28 | Rockj | manually? its installed with apt-get.. |
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| 00:38.05 | abrotman | apt-get and aptitude don't share |
| 00:39.26 | Rockj | ahh. Btw, Ive always used apt-get - since good old days |
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| 00:39.32 | Rockj | any reason to swap to aptitude really? |
| 00:39.52 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:39.52 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 00:56.23 | Rockj | abrotman, funny, the packages gets installed one by one if I do aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 00:56.33 | Rockj | but it adds grub-common{a} around the package. |
| 00:56.35 | Rockj | funky |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | that's aptitude noting the installation |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | aptitude has a few status levels for packages |
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| 00:58.42 | wwalker | I'm a redhat guy working on a debian bas3ed server. is there a dpkg equivalent to rpm -V (verify all file in an installed package are still installed and unmodified)? The server I have been asked to use ins missing /usr/bin/dirname but coreutils is shown as installed, so I need to find out how bad the damage is |
| 00:58.49 | wwalker | based |
| 00:59.03 | wwalker | s/ins/is/ |
| 00:59.20 | dendrite | debsums |
| 00:59.22 | Sefyroth | Hey guys, I had problems with my boot loader when I switched the hard drive to a new tower and I'm tring to install grub with grub-install. Though I don't know how to check which drive has which number and such. It asks for a GRUB device name or system device filename. Any command to find out those? |
| 00:59.35 | dendrite | wwalker: debsums |
| 00:59.55 | wwalker | dendrite: thank you |
| 01:01.20 | nonfatmatt | Sefyroth, you can usually tab them out in grub itself |
| 01:01.43 | abrotman | wwalker: fair warnning .. not all files have md5sums for them .. you'll see messages about md5sum missing |
| 01:01.45 | nonfatmatt | start with (hd0, and hit tab and it should list possibe targets |
| 01:02.06 | Sefyroth | I'm not in grub yet, I have to specify one to grub-install as the first parameter. |
| 01:02.53 | wwalker | abrotman: Thanks. debsums -l is what I need at the moment. so far only 1 missing file. |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:08.24 | jberg- | how can i send a SIGHUP to syslog? |
| 01:08.32 | jberg- | syslogd |
| 01:08.53 | abrotman | kill -1 |
| 01:08.58 | jberg- | kill -SIGHUP pid ? |
| 01:09.02 | Maliuta | kill -HUP jberg- |
| 01:09.11 | jberg- | abrotman: ok |
| 01:09.13 | abrotman | you just made him hiccup! |
| 01:09.37 | Maliuta | kill -9 jberg- |
| 01:11.36 | abrotman | jberg-: fyi .. man 7 signal |
| 01:12.06 | jberg- | mm okay |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | jberg-: and man 1 kill |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | and kill -l :) |
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| 01:13.34 | jberg- | okay :) |
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| 01:16.42 | Live_Free | Line Before: EIP:[<c0132f1a>] find_lock_page +0x181 0x5d SS:ESP 0068 effe1db4 Error: <0>Kernel Panic - not synching: Attempted to kill init!, any suggestions appreciated |
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| 01:18.07 | leebo | I can not get ( yes I have the ntfs deb's installed, both libntfs and ntfs-3g) ntfs write support and hoping for some help :)) |
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| 01:18.51 | leebo | its a usb stick btw |
| 01:18.52 | pjv | how would i go about getting the list of packages i have installed in synaptic and copy them into a file. so that next time all i need to do is copy them and use apt-get to install. (this i mean in a clean install) |
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| 01:19.03 | abrotman | leebo: maybe mount point perms |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | !tell pjv about aptitude clone |
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| 01:20.36 | leebo | abrotman, but what file would I be trying to change perm on then |
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| 01:20.47 | abrotman | where are you mounting it? |
| 01:20.59 | leebo | abrotman, /media/usb |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | ls -ld /media/usb/ |
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| 01:22.14 | leebo | abrotman, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2008-05-11 17:43 /media/usb -> /var/autofs/removable/usb |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | leebo: this is debian ? |
| 01:22.32 | leebo | it is |
| 01:22.34 | leebo | 4.0 |
| 01:22.41 | leebo | rc4 |
| 01:22.46 | abrotman | ls -ld /var/autofs/removable/usb |
| 01:23.02 | leebo | Its a miracle I got this far..:) |
| 01:23.08 | leebo | trying |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | miracle ? |
| 01:23.27 | leebo | well out of box debian has no autofs support, so I had to do alot of research |
| 01:23.30 | leebo | pita |
| 01:23.34 | leebo | :) |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | !automount |
| 01:23.54 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 01:23.57 | abrotman | done! |
| 01:24.19 | leebo | so what did this ld switch do btw... |
| 01:24.25 | leebo | let me see if that did it |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | supposed to show you the permissions |
| 01:24.42 | jelly-home | Live_Free: is this on a debian packaged kernel? you'll have to file a bug and post the whole kernel panic message |
| 01:24.51 | abrotman | or fix his hardware |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 01:24.54 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 01:24.55 | leebo | abrotman, dr-xr-xr-x 1 1002 1002 28672 2008-05-10 21:33 /var/autofs/removable/usb < got that |
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| 01:25.06 | abrotman | leebo: can root write to the stick ? |
| 01:25.14 | leebo | abrotman, I already have ntfs-3g installed ;) |
| 01:25.19 | leebo | abrotman, no |
| 01:25.28 | leebo | no matter what I try, I get 'read-only' access |
| 01:25.35 | leebo | even as root |
| 01:25.39 | Agiofws | could someone help me get a Euro char on my KB alt GR E wil NOT fucking work |
| 01:25.40 | pjv | ty |
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| 01:27.11 | leebo | abrotman, hm speaking of that..where do I get ntfsmount, I looked on current release package list and I couldn't find it |
| 01:27.19 | jelly-home | leebo: unmount your ntfs partition. mount it with, say, "ntfs-3g /dev/wherever /mnt" as root. verify you have rw access as root |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | leebo: says it's in the ntfsprogs package |
| 01:27.35 | leebo | ah ok |
| 01:27.39 | jelly-home | leebo: ntfs-3g mount app is called ... ntfs-3g |
| 01:27.41 | leebo | ok thx guys ill try that |
| 01:29.33 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.39 | Agiofws | HOW do i get that ? |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | what's a EURO ? |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:30.04 | Agiofws | Euro symbol |
| 01:30.20 | leebo | jelly-home, not working |
| 01:30.21 | Agiofws | its the european currency symbol |
| 01:30.33 | leebo | jelly-home, Volume is scheduled for check. |
| 01:30.34 | leebo | Please boot into Windows TWICE, or use the 'force' mount option |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:30.49 | jelly-home | leebo: ... do what it says. |
| 01:31.00 | abrotman | i think he means the force part |
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| 01:31.16 | leebo | boot into windows twice ?? ;) |
| 01:31.22 | leebo | ok ;)) |
| 01:31.24 | jelly-home | I wouldn't do that force bit without a valid backup. |
| 01:31.43 | leebo | all this just to access a usb stick, I mean come on. |
| 01:31.48 | leebo | surely not ;) |
| 01:32.09 | binarymutant | reformat the stick to a different filesystem :P |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | thinks gvm handles this better .. maybe |
| 01:32.23 | Live_Free | anyone have any good links on troubleshooting debian boot problems? |
| 01:32.26 | jelly-home | leebo: you should have unmounted it cleanly on windows, this wouldn't happen then |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | Live_Free: need more info |
| 01:32.55 | jelly-home | "safely remove device" |
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| 01:33.10 | leebo | jelly-home, well ;(, I had vista at one time ( bad mistake) and it had to be ntfs as I recall so I just left it <bad mistake apparantly> ;) |
| 01:33.38 | Live_Free | abrotman: i posted the error message above, what other information would be helpfull? |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | that's a kernel crash |
| 01:33.55 | binarymutant | how do I get irssi to stop auto joining channels? |
| 01:33.59 | jelly-home | leebo: I use ntfs on removable device in xp and linux with no apparent ill effects |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | binarymutant: fix your config .. |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | binarymutant: in your irssi config .. you're telling it to join channels |
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| 01:34.30 | binarymutant | abrotman: is there a /channel option? |
| 01:34.33 | Live_Free | abrotman: how do i fix it? |
| 01:34.38 | leebo | jelly-home, so your saying I just have to boot into xp and access it, and then safely unmount is that right ? |
| 01:34.38 | jelly-home | Live_Free: that's not the whole error message. a lot of the lines before are relevant as well. |
| 01:34.45 | jelly-home | leebo: right. |
| 01:34.49 | leebo | alright thx |
| 01:34.52 | leebo | whew ;) |
| 01:35.03 | intheboat | is it possible to switch in terminal from local french to turkish easyli at each time |
| 01:35.14 | poseidon | I've been stuck on "building the file copy list" for about twenty minutes. Is this normal? |
| 01:35.17 | jelly-home | leebo: when you boot to windows, it will detect the errors, let it run chkdsk and reboot afterward |
| 01:35.28 | leebo | jelly-home, ok thx indeed :) |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | if there are errors |
| 01:36.06 | leebo | jelly-home, ok thx |
| 01:36.07 | jelly-home | the fs is unclean. I've no idea whether windows can just "replay logs" |
| 01:36.31 | leebo | very strange, as I get no errors when accessing it in read only mode |
| 01:36.37 | Live_Free | is there a way to run the boot process in some type of terminal mode where i am able to scroll the screen to copy down the entire thing? |
| 01:36.46 | binarymutant | nm, /channel remove #channel #network |
| 01:36.48 | leebo | oh well here goes |
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| 01:36.55 | leebo | thx as always ya'll ;0 |
| 01:37.07 | poseidon | It seemed like such a small file size that I didn't think that it would take this long to "build the file copy list" |
| 01:38.33 | jelly-home | leebo: the read-only kernel driver doesn't change the data so it doesn't have to care about the consistency of your fs much. ntfs-3g is written to minimize damage _and_ to provide write support, so it won't touch the filesystem if it smells weird |
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| 01:44.55 | eric_ | hello |
| 01:45.06 | eric_ | is there anybody? |
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| 01:45.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | 800 or so people |
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| 01:48.13 | s0| | anyone know how to call a VPN connection made in a GUI via the command line, I have tried manual config of a PPTP connection but I cna't for the life of me get it work outside of the gui (I have been asking this in Ubuntu for a while, but no one seemed to know) |
| 01:48.36 | Live_Free | abrotman: do you have any suggestions for anything i can google, i am struggling to even find a page that talks about how to recover from a boot failure, not even sure what my next steps are |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | you were told there was more info above that line .. that is helpful to us |
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| 01:50.20 | eric_ | who knows about GRUB? I have a question |
| 01:50.25 | Live_Free | i am not sure how to get all of it, yes there are more lines above it, but i am unable to pause the screen during boot process to get it, i only have a terminal monitor and only see a handfull of lines |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | eric_: just ask |
| 01:51.46 | abrotman | Live_Free: tried a live CD? do they boot? |
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| 01:53.28 | eric_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.06 | Live_Free | i just put my debian iso in and it does not boot the installation cd, looks like i get the same error |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | Live_Free: try something like suse or ubuntu or something else .. something with a different kernel |
| 01:54.24 | Live_Free | are you suggesting to start popping hardware? |
| 01:54.47 | Live_Free | ok i got a ultimate boot cd here, ill try that |
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| 01:59.41 | Live_Free | ok, found my problem, ubcd didn't boot so i popped memtest cd in, and have a whole bunch of errors, looks like a stick has gone bad |
| 02:01.12 | Live_Free | thanks for pointing me in the right direction abrotman |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | that's bad |
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| 02:01.59 | Live_Free | its is unexpected because this box has been running debian eth for about 4 months now straight, then suddenly crashed |
| 02:02.05 | Live_Free | and i kept getting that error |
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| 02:04.10 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, what distro would you recommend to set a backup ISP server fast? I'm currently using Debian + HTB-GEN + Squid + DNSProxy and of course Iptables, but just in case something happens and I need to set a pretty much out-of-the-box server for users of a LAN that needs the basics with traffic managment and if possible QoS (30 usrs, 512kbps/128kbps ) ....... I've been told about Coyote, but dunno, I was hoping you could lend me some info |
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| 02:04.33 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: ask ##linux .. this is #debian .. we're going to tell you debian |
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| 02:04.43 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, good idea xD |
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| 02:05.07 | dendrite | _ZeuZ_: Any reason to not make your backup system as similar as possible to your primary? |
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| 02:05.50 | _ZeuZ_ | dendrite: yes, that the so-called admin that's going to take care of it, will for sure ruin it... and I travell pretty much all the week because of university... so I need something with a powerfull and easy web interface... |
| 02:06.13 | dendrite | _ZeuZ_: AaaaaAAaAaa!!! run away. |
| 02:06.20 | Live_Free | dimm 1, shot, back in business now |
| 02:07.24 | _ZeuZ_ | I hate that guy... I'm not being paid enough for this forsure... Though, I have to... My "name" is on the bet xD (well, perhaps not xD) |
| 02:07.40 | _ZeuZ_ | I might try Ipcop.. though, i've been told it has nothing for bandwidth limitng... |
| 02:08.27 | dendrite | _ZeuZ_: Let him pick the system. |
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| 02:10.11 | jim | and let him pick the os/software |
| 02:10.32 | jim | otherwise you can start feeling trapped into supporting him |
| 02:10.50 | jim | if he chooses everything, there is no trap |
| 02:10.59 | dendrite | _ZeuZ_: Then all you'd have to do is practice going ... *shrug* |
| 02:11.29 | _ZeuZ_ | dendrite not an option for me... |
| 02:11.44 | jim | and politely going "I'm available to support you. my rates are: ___" |
| 02:11.52 | dendrite | _ZeuZ_: Win95, maybe? I hear that has clicky thingies. |
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| 02:12.08 | _ZeuZ_ | I might be acting as a person that would not give up, but the true is that I'm going to kill that guy, and then charge more for my work xD |
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| 02:12.19 | _ZeuZ_ | hehe |
| 02:12.31 | jim | what do you get out of supporting him free? |
| 02:12.44 | jim | or is that what you're doing? |
| 02:12.53 | _ZeuZ_ | and the problem with my current server is that it uses a monochrome monitor, and an old sys card that do not support Xorg nor Xfree86 |
| 02:13.15 | dendrite | alt.sysadmin.recovery -- right here. =) |
| 02:13.30 | dendrite | _ZeuZ_: Sounds perfect to me. |
| 02:13.36 | _ZeuZ_ | Yes, currently I support him for free, not the little Pyme (pequeña y mediana empresa -- small and medium corporation) |
| 02:13.36 | Maliuta | jim: supporting stuff for free, isn't that what happens in here? |
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| 02:13.49 | jim | I wish it didn't |
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| 02:14.06 | dendrite | Maliuta: You haven't gotten your invoice yet. =) |
| 02:14.26 | PhrkOnLsh | Is there any reason a DNS lookup would work for one application but fail for another? I'm having trouble getting opera to do dns lookups right, but everything else works fine... |
| 02:14.36 | jim | because there are serious jerks that come around and pull on you and get angry if you don't give them what they want |
| 02:14.46 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: depends on how that application is actually doing the lookups. |
| 02:14.46 | Maliuta | dendrite: I rarely get help from here, I give smeg loads more ... so I'd be expecting a big fat cheque |
| 02:14.56 | dendrite | PhrkOnLsh: One possibile reason is if one app has cached reples. Is this true after all apps have been restarted? |
| 02:15.14 | dondelelcaro | PhrkOnLsh: there's no absolute requirement to use the system lookup libraries, so some applications are insane and do their own caching. |
| 02:15.19 | dendrite | Maliuta: Similar with me. I do learn stuff in here though, so I enjoy it. |
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| 02:16.28 | PhrkOnLsh | nyah, k dendrite dondelelcaro |
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| 02:19.34 | jim | _ZeuZ_, just read up on the conversation, and I concur fully: whoever's going to be taking care of things is choosing what it is, -not- you, for reasons already stated... if you do any help setting things up, make sure he signs off on everything |
| 02:20.30 | _ZeuZ_ | good idea.. |
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| 02:21.11 | jim | also when he signs off, there should not only be the thing you're setting up, but also recommendations on what to read in order to become familiar |
| 02:21.26 | _ZeuZ_ | Screw him, gonna set a little kFreeBSD server with the minimal for NAS, DNS, Proxy and shaping through ipfw and will even render the system access less so he can not screw things up, and they won't pay him any further |
| 02:21.28 | jim | later when he comes back, you can assume he's read up on that |
| 02:21.32 | sluxor | can somebody tell me how to use commandline in linux to copy files from a windows fileshare on the network onto the local drive. Can I do it with CP? Can I do it without mounting the SMB shares? |
| 02:21.55 | Maliuta | _ZeuZ_: go OpenBSD |
| 02:21.58 | _ZeuZ_ | sluxor: well, err... that depends... |
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| 02:22.15 | _ZeuZ_ | Maliuta tried and I'll stick with NetBSD or DragonFly for this... |
| 02:22.23 | sluxor | _ZeuZ_: they're passwordless and they open fine inside a file browser |
| 02:22.38 | jim | that might be a bad idea... you don't want to block -anything- because anything you block will come back |
| 02:23.08 | _ZeuZ_ | Anyway, now I'm facing a little problem: How can I locate the module and driver name of two pci card? through lsmod I can't see them |
| 02:23.14 | jim | sluxor: you cannot cp unless you mount |
| 02:23.27 | sluxor | what about rsync? |
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| 02:23.54 | jim | if there's an rsync "server" running on the other box, that might work |
| 02:24.11 | sluxor | oh ok |
| 02:24.19 | dendrite | sluxor: Or an ssh server. |
| 02:24.24 | _ZeuZ_ | jim: Any idea how can I get in touch with what modules are loaded to make my card work? |
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| 02:24.47 | tavito | Hello! Is there anyone here that uses the program "xoscope" ? |
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| 02:25.09 | abrotman | if we say yes .. can we hear the real question? :) |
| 02:26.22 | jim | abrotman: I like that approach |
| 02:26.42 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:26.47 | tavito | yes, I need to know how to use the xy mode, I can't find it and read that it is under the "math" menu, but it is disabled |
| 02:27.02 | jim | _ZeuZ_: can you run lspci and show the line for that card? |
| 02:27.29 | _ZeuZ_ | grrrrrrrrrrr I'm mad at myself I forgot that |
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| 02:28.58 | _ZeuZ_ | Now I have a problem... the Coyote wizzard haven't got that driver nor module |
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| 02:29.47 | fstab | im trying to compile a program but the program requires opengl im assuming its the devel file any ideas on what i should search for? |
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| 02:30.25 | fstab | its the open gl library |
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| 02:30.41 | simonrvn | um, opengl dev ...? |
| 02:30.49 | dendrite | fstab: What are you building? Is a debian package available for it? |
| 02:31.27 | elegle | did anyone succeed in building ATI's proprietary driver module on 2.6.24 and later? build fails for me.. |
| 02:32.34 | jelly-home | fstab: any package providing libgl-dev. probably libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 02:32.39 | fstab | umm dendrite its the mana world there is a package but my system messes with the graphical user interface i have asus 2g eee pc |
| 02:33.00 | fstab | aww okay |
| 02:33.02 | jelly-home | fstab: do you have debian on it? |
| 02:33.09 | fstab | yes |
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| 02:33.23 | fstab | i used the eee installer |
| 02:33.34 | fstab | from the debian site |
| 02:33.42 | dendrite | fstab: Then you should be able to do apt-get build-dep <package> to install build dependencies. |
| 02:33.47 | jelly-home | ok. if you had the original xandros, this would not be the right place to ask |
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| 02:34.36 | fstab | sweet |
| 02:34.44 | fstab | thanks |
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| 02:36.39 | iateadonut | i did this: for i in $(ls); do sox $i -r 15000 $i; done - and all my files (.wav's) came out 44 B - (they should've come out around 40kb) - any ideas why? |
| 02:37.18 | thedarkone | is there a way to use a wired usb xbox360 controller in linux? |
| 02:37.48 | dendrite | iateadonut: can sox convert in place? |
| 02:38.04 | dondelelcaro | thedarkone: a couple people have used them; there's no reason in principle why they wouldn't work. |
| 02:38.06 | dendrite | iateadonut: Or do you need to create a dir for output files? |
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| 02:38.56 | iateadonut | that's a good question. |
| 02:39.08 | iniciante | Algum brasileiro pode me ajudar??? |
| 02:39.19 | dendrite | !pt |
| 02:39.19 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 02:39.20 | blizzow | I just installed 4GB of RAM in my debian etch box. The BIOS sees all 4096M but when I run top, I only see 3210240k. How do I enable largemem for etch? |
| 02:39.31 | iniciante | ou se souber falar portugues tb já serve |
| 02:39.58 | iniciante | dpkg é um boot? |
| 02:39.59 | dpkg | iniciante: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:40.07 | iniciante | é |
| 02:40.12 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: it's probably already enabled, and you're just seeing the 3/1 split. |
| 02:40.14 | dendrite | iniciante: English here, please. |
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| 02:40.17 | iateadonut | dendrite: thank you. that worked. |
| 02:40.29 | dendrite | iateadonut: Cool. |
| 02:40.36 | iniciante | dendrite, I don't know. |
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| 02:40.45 | blizzow | dondelelcaro: What's the 3/1 split? |
| 02:40.48 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: cat /proc/meminfo; to really see what is going on. |
| 02:40.56 | iateadonut | (i mean, loading into a new directory worked.) |
| 02:41.07 | dendrite | iateadonut: Right. |
| 02:41.27 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: because of the way that IA32 handles memory allocation, you can only access a 1G page at a time, iirc, so various tricks are needed to scale to 4G or 64G. |
| 02:42.02 | blizzow | dondelelcaro: Here's what I think is the important line from /proc meminfo: |
| 02:42.02 | blizzow | MemTotal: 3210240 kB |
| 02:42.03 | _ZeuZ_ | cramp! I didn't knew wondershaper was that easy to use... xD |
| 02:42.07 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: one of them is the 3G/1G split, which uses 3G for userland, 1G for kernel stuff. |
| 02:42.10 | blizzow | This is amd64 arch by the way. |
| 02:43.24 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: uh... what does uname -r; say? |
| 02:43.54 | blizzow | 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 02:44.04 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: oh; are you using xen? |
| 02:44.36 | blizzow | I installed xen in case I ever wanted to use it, but am not actively running any hosts at the moment. |
| 02:44.44 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: then don't run the xen kernel |
| 02:45.21 | dondelelcaro | blizzow: because you have to specify how much memory you give, and you've apparently only given the dom0 ~3.1G. |
| 02:45.23 | dendrite | blizzow: You're running the Xen hypervisor? |
| 02:45.34 | iniciante | I need Help, but, I don't know to speak english, and, in the channel debian-br Nobody answered!!! |
| 02:45.47 | blizzow | I think so. |
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| 02:46.01 | acehigh | sup |
| 02:46.03 | blizzow | I know that xend is running. |
| 02:46.05 | dendrite | iniciante: Just do your best. |
| 02:46.15 | dendrite | blizzow: Then yeah, xen hypervisor is up. |
| 02:46.17 | dondelelcaro | iniciante: well, then wait for someone to answer, or try asking debian-user-br@lists.debian.org or similar. Everyone who speaks portuguese is there |
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| 02:47.17 | blizzow | is that the /etc/init.d/xendomains service? |
| 02:47.19 | dendrite | blizzow: To answer your original question, use xentop to see what's going on w/ memorhy. |
| 02:49.19 | blizzow | dendrite: where would I set the amount of memory for dom0? |
| 02:49.49 | dendrite | blizzow: in your /boot/grub/menu.list. |
| 02:50.24 | dendrite | blizzow: xenhopt=dom0_mem=128M <-- example |
| 02:50.58 | blizzow | thanks...I'll have to reboot and give it a shot. |
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| 02:51.02 | dendrite | blizzow: Then, when you reinstall the xen hypervisor, e.g., to rewrite the /boot/grub/menu.lst, it'll add that line to your kernel lines. |
| 02:51.17 | iniciante | A question about permission on the network device, as common user, the ifconfig answered "not found Command," but he answered as root, usually, ip and other things ... |
| 02:51.26 | dendrite | blizzow: Wait, you need to install --reinstall a kernel, or xen-hypervisor to get grub's menu.list to be recreated. |
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| 02:51.45 | blizzow | dendrite: I can't just manually edit? |
| 02:52.12 | dendrite | blizzow: Yes, you can, add to the kernel line you'll boot from. But a kernel upgrade will remove that. |
| 02:52.40 | dendrite | So be aware that you want to get that into the proper place so the postinst for kernels can properly set it up... |
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| 02:53.46 | blizzow | ok, I'll take a look at reinstalling the hypervisor. Thanks! |
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| 02:54.14 | dendrite | blizzow: It's a simple apt-get install --reinstall xen-hypervisor-3.<mumble> |
| 02:54.25 | dondelelcaro | or just run update-grub; actually. |
| 02:54.29 | pickcoder | hrm I still haven't gotten a bug report ack e-mail |
| 02:54.33 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Ah, thanks. |
| 02:54.38 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: when did you send it? |
| 02:54.43 | pickcoder | 3-4 hours ago |
| 02:54.46 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: I'll remember that. |
| 02:54.55 | dendrite | blizzow: You catch what dondelelcaro said? |
| 02:54.59 | pickcoder | I used reportbug |
| 02:55.25 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: check to see whether it showed up in the bts; if it didn't, then you'll have to tell me what the message-id is; if it did, you can see what the outgoing message-id for the ack was, and tell me that. |
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| 02:55.35 | iniciante | as root, I can ping, as common user not, but the system I need to use as commom user... |
| 02:55.44 | dondelelcaro | (#debbugs on OFTC is the real place to ask these questions, though) |
| 02:56.07 | pickcoder | grr.. it went back to my host e-mail and not the e-mail I entered into reportbug |
| 02:56.09 | acehigh | whats a good movie editing program for linux? |
| 02:56.12 | dondelelcaro | iniciante: you've installed a ping which is not setuid root. |
| 02:56.14 | pickcoder | I thought I turned off postfix |
| 02:56.22 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:56.26 | pickcoder | bah |
| 02:56.30 | pickcoder | It never got sent |
| 02:56.35 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 02:56.57 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: yeah, you can configure it to send it directly to bugs.debian.org unless your ISP blocks outgoing port 25. |
| 02:57.00 | pickcoder | geez.. I mean c'mon.. it should work even when it's disabled |
| 02:57.02 | blizzow | yessir. I did, thanks dendrite and dondelelcaro. |
| 02:57.03 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:57.30 | pickcoder | I'm using a relayhost, but that's not a problem |
| 02:57.42 | pickcoder | I was getting spammed and decided to just drop mail support |
| 02:57.45 | iniciante | dondelelcaro, but, as commom user the network device not detect |
| 02:57.50 | dendrite | blizzow: And make sure you have enough space in /var to hold all memory allocated to DomU's. |
| 02:58.10 | dondelelcaro | iniciante: uh... it has nothing to do with the network device, and everything to do with whether /bin/ping is setuid root. |
| 02:58.12 | dendrite | blizzow: Or more specifically, the RAM images. |
| 02:58.25 | pickcoder | examines the mailqueue to determine where the spam is coming from |
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| 02:58.51 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: ah; well, yeah, you can just have reportbug use the relayhost directly... and you can install nullmailer to have your machine use it directly too, without incomming mail. |
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| 02:59.02 | dondelelcaro | recommends at least nullmailer on all machines |
| 02:59.58 | pickcoder | crap it bounced back to me with a loop error |
| 02:59.59 | pickcoder | wtf |
| 03:00.12 | iniciante | I go back in a moment |
| 03:00.20 | pickcoder | I send mail out all the time |
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| 03:06.20 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: it's a report on passwd, for useradd |
| 03:07.05 | pickcoder | it just showed up now |
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| 03:07.43 | dondelelcaro | cool; generally you should be getting the ack back for BTS messages in under 5 minutes (though occasionally we have spam boluses which move that number back) |
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| 03:08.53 | dub | recommended postscript viewer for w32? |
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| 03:09.03 | justin__ | \nick sonntag |
| 03:09.09 | pickcoder | hrm.. you know something. I don't remember checking --base-dir |
| 03:09.43 | pickcoder | why the heck is useradd prompting for root pwd now |
| 03:10.43 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 03:11.51 | liable | would be kinda bad if anyone could make users |
| 03:12.06 | pickcoder | I'm root |
| 03:12.15 | liable | oh |
| 03:12.19 | pickcoder | it's prompting then giving a PAM auth error |
| 03:12.21 | pickcoder | and blowing up |
| 03:12.27 | liable | fun |
| 03:12.38 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.55 | \amethyst | pickcoder: could you pastebin your /etc/pam.d/useradd ? |
| 03:13.06 | pickcoder | hold on |
| 03:13.14 | \amethyst | pickcoder: it should have auth sufficient pam_rootok.so and account required pam_permit.so |
| 03:13.54 | pickcoder | there is no "useradd" |
| 03:14.00 | pickcoder | "passwd" points to common-passwd |
| 03:14.03 | \amethyst | pickcoder: oh, you're right... I just noticed that |
| 03:14.25 | pickcoder | common-account should be relative |
| 03:14.32 | pickcoder | and it's "account required" pam_unix.so |
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| 03:15.43 | pickcoder | common-auth is auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure |
| 03:16.04 | jberg- | hm, in /etc/fstab i have my / partition as ext3, but when i turn on my computer it says mounting ext2fs. why is that? |
| 03:16.16 | pickcoder | ext3 is ext2 with a journal flag |
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| 03:16.47 | pickcoder | maybe there's a label somewhere that doesn't recognize the difference |
| 03:17.04 | jberg- | aha ok |
| 03:17.32 | jberg- | is there a way i can check what / is currently mounted to? |
| 03:17.36 | jberg- | just to be sure |
| 03:17.38 | pickcoder | mount? |
| 03:17.47 | jberg- | ah yes :) |
| 03:18.00 | pickcoder | shakes PAM apart |
| 03:18.13 | pickcoder | problematic authentication module |
| 03:22.47 | jberg- | what is the default mail system on debian? do i have to configure lots of things? links to things i should read about it? |
| 03:24.23 | dendrite | jberg-: Exim4. Depends, and depends. |
| 03:24.30 | jberg- | i see |
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| 03:24.53 | jberg- | and the mail command interacts with exim4? |
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| 03:25.43 | dendrite | jberg-: I believe that's right. |
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| 03:26.34 | jberg- | okay |
| 03:26.36 | \amethyst | jberg-: it calls /usr/sbin/sendmail, which is provided by each MTA package in Debian |
| 03:26.57 | jberg- | hm, isnt exim4 also an MTA? |
| 03:27.03 | \amethyst | jberg-: so, whether you choose the default exim4 or something else like postfix, you should be able to continue to send mail |
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| 03:27.11 | \amethyst | yes, exim4 provides /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 03:27.17 | dendrite | jberg-: Not also. It is an MTA. period. |
| 03:27.30 | jberg- | hm what do you mean by provides /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 03:27.49 | jberg- | dendrite: yes i meant as well as sendmail |
| 03:27.57 | susanne-- | i'm starting a vnc server, and the only thing that starts is an xterm. where is that controlled? i want it to start kde and putting it in ~/.xinitrc doesn't work |
| 03:28.03 | dendrite | jberg-: sendmail is a de-facto standard interface program for sending email. Most, MTA's provide a sendmail binary. |
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| 03:28.06 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: can you retrieve the source package for passwd? |
| 03:28.08 | \amethyst | jberg-: I mean the exim4-daemon-light package contains /usr/sbin/sendmail, which is a symlink to the exim4 binary |
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| 03:28.17 | jberg- | oh ok |
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| 03:28.38 | pickcoder | I downloaded the tar off packages.debian.org but the /etc tree is different than my live setup |
| 03:28.46 | pickcoder | that's screwing up useradd |
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| 03:29.00 | pickcoder | and I can get the packaged source |
| 03:29.05 | pickcoder | ~can't |
| 03:29.05 | apt | Yes I can! |
| 03:29.18 | \amethyst | jberg-: postfix, sendmail, nullmailer, etc. also contain a /usr/sbin/sendmail script or binary; the basic options are common, but each provides its own set of extra options |
| 03:29.40 | pickcoder | wonders why pam.d/ would be different |
| 03:29.45 | \amethyst | jberg-: if you have exim4 installed, typing 'man sendmail' should bring up the exim manpage, in fact |
| 03:29.47 | jberg- | i see. and what should i use a "getmail"? |
| 03:29.53 | jberg- | as a* |
| 03:30.03 | markybob | you cant be serious |
| 03:30.08 | \amethyst | jberg-: get how? |
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| 03:30.34 | jberg- | does exim4 get mail too. i thought different programs sent and got mail |
| 03:30.38 | \amethyst | jberg-: receiving incoming SMTP connections? fetching mail from a server with IMAP or POP? |
| 03:30.50 | jberg- | yes something like that |
| 03:30.54 | \amethyst | jberg-: exim4 listens for SMTP connections |
| 03:30.57 | jberg- | ok |
| 03:31.00 | \amethyst | it does nothing about IMAP or POP |
| 03:31.05 | dendrite | jberg-: Exim only "gets" mail via network connections, e.g., smtp or submission port. |
| 03:31.12 | susanne-- | exim listens for smtp. if you want to pick up off an imap or pop server, you want fetchmail. |
| 03:31.25 | jberg- | okay thanks |
| 03:31.35 | dendrite | jberg-: If you have email elsewhere, that you access with a POP or IMAP client, you'd need something like fetchmail to pull it in. |
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| 03:31.47 | jberg- | does procmail sort the mail to the correct users and stuff? |
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| 03:32.05 | dendrite | There's an echo in here! |
| 03:32.20 | dendrite | jberg-: Procmail can do that, as can the MTA. |
| 03:32.27 | jim | and by default, fetchmail grabs mail from some external server (pop or imap) and delivers into your smtp server |
| 03:32.31 | dendrite | jberg-: Email is not a simple, one-size-fits-all system. |
| 03:32.46 | jberg- | dendrite: yes i know. thats why im asking |
| 03:33.09 | dendrite | jberg-: By "do that" I mean a MTA can sort mail for local delivery. |
| 03:33.26 | jberg- | well thanks. ill read up on exim at least |
| 03:33.52 | jim | and as stated, fetchmail uses your MTA to deliver mail it grabs |
| 03:34.02 | jim | (by default) |
| 03:34.05 | jberg- | yes thanks |
| 03:34.42 | jim | and debian likes there to be an mta anyway... |
| 03:34.59 | pickcoder | *nix systems in general prefer there to be an MTA |
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| 03:35.19 | jim | well I suppose |
| 03:35.34 | jim | it's certainly possible to not have one |
| 03:35.38 | pickcoder | some still rely on sendmail.. |
| 03:36.04 | dendrite | fondly remembers the Bat book... |
| 03:36.12 | jim | I have one |
| 03:36.20 | dendrite | Yeah, I still have mine. |
| 03:36.22 | jim | somewhere :) |
| 03:36.34 | jberg- | what is the Bat book? |
| 03:36.39 | dendrite | Mine is on the same shelf with my COBOL manual. =) |
| 03:36.41 | jim | "Sendmail" |
| 03:36.46 | pickcoder | I dropped that money on an Algorithms in C book instead |
| 03:36.47 | jberg- | oh |
| 03:36.54 | pickcoder | much more productive |
| 03:36.56 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:36.58 | jim | Sedgewick |
| 03:37.08 | jim | that book is kinda thick |
| 03:37.31 | dendrite | jim: The bat book? Yeah, thick, in every way. |
| 03:37.32 | pickcoder | dendrite: don't have a PickBASIC programmers book by chance? |
| 03:37.33 | susanne-- | i'm starting a vnc server, and the only thing that starts is an xterm. where is that controlled? i want it to start kde and putting it in ~/.xinitrc doesn't work. |
| 03:38.08 | dendrite | pickcoder: Nope, only BASIC book I have is the little brown book that came with the first IBM micro. |
| 03:38.26 | pickcoder | GWBASIC |
| 03:38.30 | jim | dendrite:I thought sedgewick was thicker contentwise |
| 03:38.33 | dendrite | I keep it on the shelf with my Perl books, to keep 'em honest. |
| 03:38.41 | dendrite | jim: <grin> |
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| 03:38.54 | dendrite | jim: And then m4 came along and ruined it... |
| 03:39.00 | susanne-- | i thought the bat book was hopeless |
| 03:39.09 | jim | m4 is easy |
| 03:39.15 | dendrite | jim: exactly |
| 03:39.17 | pickcoder | making do what you want isn't |
| 03:40.03 | jim | I haven't gotten that far I suppose... I guess the quoting thing is probably one of the more difficult things to get right |
| 03:40.43 | jim | I mean... I have sources.list.m4 |
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| 03:41.49 | jim | susanne--: were you able to follow the tutorial chapters? |
| 03:43.06 | susanne-- | jim: no. otoh i didn't try real hard. it wasn't necessary -- i wasn't responsible for the mail system at the time, and since then i've gone to qmail. (it's been ten years now.) |
| 03:43.25 | jim | yeah I like qmail too |
| 03:43.51 | susanne-- | i just wish the dipshit qmail packager for debian would get around to releasing a new package for netqmail 1.06. |
| 03:44.07 | jim | but I was curious, and I did go thru some of that tutorial, very straightforward, very clear explanations |
| 03:44.19 | susanne-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.40 | jim | susanne--: wonder howsimple it would be to use the current packaging for the 1.06 version |
| 03:45.08 | susanne-- | jim: as i'm not a packager, i have no idea. probably not very, because the current package is a script contortion to get around the old source license |
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| 03:45.23 | jim | yeah |
| 03:45.32 | susanne-- | 1.06 doesn't have that problem anymore |
| 03:45.36 | susanne-- | and can be distributed in binary |
| 03:45.42 | jim | is the old source license no longer in effect? |
| 03:45.47 | jim | what happened exactly? |
| 03:45.49 | susanne-- | all djbware is now public domain |
| 03:45.59 | jim | did he die? |
| 03:46.19 | dendrite | lol |
| 03:46.30 | susanne-- | netqmail 1.06 is public domain except one patch that's permissive bsd, it only retains the copyright, not any usage rights. no he didn't die, he simply released his software. |
| 03:46.40 | stew | susanne--: please refrain from calling people names. keep it constructive |
| 03:47.46 | susanne-- | i'd do it to set up an lwq install, but i'd also have to package out daemontools and ucspi, and i'm not particularly excited about learning the debian packaging system from a maintainer's point of view. |
| 03:47.53 | pickcoder | stew: can you try getting the source package for passwd? |
| 03:48.15 | susanne-- | if you'd read the dude's comments on the bts you'd think he was stupid too. |
| 03:48.40 | jim | well technically her "dipshit" usage was an adjective |
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| 03:49.13 | stew | pickcoder: ok, i have it |
| 03:49.16 | stew | susanne--: drop it |
| 03:49.17 | pickcoder | huh? |
| 03:49.18 | jim | susanne--: word to the wise... he's probably not going to let you do that |
| 03:49.19 | pickcoder | really? |
| 03:49.26 | pickcoder | which repos? |
| 03:49.29 | susanne-- | jim: "he" who? |
| 03:49.34 | simonrvn | probably a q. for debian-legal, if it hasn't been talked about already... |
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| 03:50.32 | susanne-- | jim: "he" djb or "he" the qmail-src maintainer? |
| 03:51.27 | jim | susanne--: stew is probably not going to let you make comments like "dipshit" in regard to (really) anyone |
| 03:51.58 | pickcoder | I just get E: Unable to find a source package for shadow |
| 03:52.17 | stew | susanne--: there is no question for debian-legal really. its public domain. there is an itp, the itp is tagged pending |
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| 03:52.24 | stew | err |
| 03:52.26 | stew | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 03:52.53 | jim | can a public domain thing be pulled and relicensed? |
| 03:53.07 | susanne-- | there is no need to relicense it. |
| 03:53.13 | susanne-- | oh i understand your question |
| 03:53.14 | susanne-- | no |
| 03:53.29 | simonrvn | stew: *nods* |
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| 03:53.39 | pickcoder | it can be sold and distributed in binary form though |
| 03:53.55 | susanne-- | djb could update the packages, and then he could copyright the -changes- but not what he's already released to the public domain |
| 03:54.06 | jim | I've heard of cases where a public domain thing was pulled by a company and somehow they manipulated it so that it wasn't public any longer |
| 03:54.33 | pickcoder | jim: if no one has copies of it, sure |
| 03:54.34 | jim | maybe they grabbed it, and altered it... and laid claim to their alterations... |
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| 03:57.24 | pickcoder | stew: which repos are you using? |
| 03:58.02 | stew | pickcoder: Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main shadow 1:4.1.1-1 (dsc) [1160B] |
| 03:58.12 | susanne-- | i'm starting a vnc server, and the only thing that starts is an xterm. where is that controlled? i want it to start kde and putting it in ~/.xinitrc doesn't work. |
| 03:58.26 | pickcoder | ftp.debian.org nor ftp.us.debian.org will provide the source package |
| 03:58.26 | \amethyst | susanne--: which vnc server? |
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| 03:58.39 | pickcoder | oh that's unstable |
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| 03:59.21 | susanne-- | \amethyst vnc4server |
| 03:59.29 | \amethyst | susanne--: then ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 03:59.47 | \amethyst | susanne--: it's mentioned in the third paragraph of `man vnc4server` |
| 04:00.28 | jim | anyone know what a Asus DL5xx is? |
| 04:00.40 | stew | pickcoder: "dget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/shadow/shadow_4.0.18.1-7.dsc" works for me |
| 04:00.41 | \amethyst | (at the top of the second 80x24 screenful, so it's easy to miss) |
| 04:00.53 | pickcoder | apt-get source doesn't |
| 04:00.59 | pickcoder | atleast not on etch |
| 04:01.36 | susanne-- | ty |
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| 04:02.56 | pickcoder | crap |
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| 04:03.07 | pickcoder | smacks his head with a Mt Dew can |
| 04:03.30 | haxality | hello, I was wondering how to add debian-multimedia.org to my sources.list on debian lenny.. |
| 04:04.10 | markybob | the site itself has pretty clear instructions |
| 04:04.20 | Lagbolt | add that --> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ testing main |
| 04:04.21 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 04:04.24 | haxality | where? |
| 04:04.27 | Lagbolt | pretty straight forward |
| 04:04.30 | haxality | ok! |
| 04:04.41 | haxality | I'm really bad at deciphering some websites sometimes :/ |
| 04:05.01 | pickcoder | call me Mr Oblivious |
| 04:06.15 | Rusty1 | pickcoder: /nick Mr Oblivious |
| 04:07.03 | pickcoder | There's success in quitting IRC? |
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| 04:07.21 | pickcoder | is that like when you stop smoking? |
| 04:07.26 | catsup | heheheh |
| 04:07.33 | catsup | ya--he'll be back |
| 04:07.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | so its addictive then? :0 |
| 04:08.53 | pickcoder | it's only addictive when it's not boring |
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| 04:09.47 | pickcoder | it wasn't long before my addiction lost hold after being on Dalnet for a spell |
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| 04:10.17 | pickcoder | that and twin infants popped up one day |
| 04:10.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | :O |
| 04:10.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | gotta hate that |
| 04:10.42 | susanne-- | i don't remember my twins "popping up" |
| 04:10.43 | jim | wow... popped... -up-?! |
| 04:10.56 | susanne-- | well, until the boy learned the joys of masturbation |
| 04:11.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | :| |
| 04:11.37 | pickcoder | I got two girls |
| 04:11.49 | susanne-- | i got a split decision |
| 04:11.59 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 04:17.22 | mkrueger | does one just belt out one's question here? |
| 04:17.35 | zeeble | *nod* |
| 04:17.35 | jim | yes |
| 04:17.36 | pickcoder | unless it's longer than a line |
| 04:17.39 | pickcoder | then use pastebin |
| 04:18.01 | jim | and lines are pretty long, so that might not be a problem |
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| 04:18.15 | iateadonut | anyone know a good how-to for SSH? |
| 04:18.16 | mkrueger | thx. Does anybody know what to put in a preseed file to suppress the low memory warning on a 64MB system |
| 04:18.25 | jim | iateadonut: man ssh |
| 04:18.51 | jim | and man scp, man sftp, man ssh-keygen, man ssh-agent |
| 04:18.59 | jim | man ssh-add |
| 04:19.06 | pickcoder | there's also the openssh web site |
| 04:19.15 | iateadonut | i didn't sleep well last night. |
| 04:19.15 | jim | that would help a lot as well |
| 04:19.32 | jim | iateadonut: ok |
| 04:19.33 | webPragmatist | joins psycology |
| 04:19.35 | iateadonut | jim: thank you very much for humoring my stupid question. |
| 04:19.36 | webPragmatist | h^ |
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| 04:20.43 | jim | iateadonut: np... take a look at the top sections of each of those man pages to get an idea about what each of those do |
| 04:21.09 | iateadonut | thanks. it's a pretty long manpage. |
| 04:21.12 | iateadonut | didn't know it was BSD. |
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| 04:23.15 | jim | also pickcoder's suggestion to look at the openssh website is a good idea; it may tie a lot of loose ends together |
| 04:24.01 | mkrueger | anybody here a debian-install wizard? |
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| 04:24.14 | mkrueger | "er debian-installer" |
| 04:25.47 | pickcoder | mkrueger: I guess not.. just ask the real question you have |
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| 04:26.27 | zeeble | he already asked. about putting stuff in a preseed file on a low mem machine. |
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| 04:26.42 | mkrueger | pickcoder, I'm trying to skip the "low memory" warning in a preseeded custom install CD I'm building. I can't find the right value to turn off the warning... |
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| 04:27.03 | BubbaT | ANyone know what's happened to LinNeighborhood? |
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| 04:27.45 | mbent | hello everyone. I have just updated my laptop without taking note of what was being updated and now my touchpad doesn't work. its a synaptics touchpad and ive looked through dmesg and can't find out what is wrong |
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| 04:28.06 | mbent | is anyone experiencing the same thing and what can i do to debug this? |
| 04:28.36 | pickcoder | mkrueger: try lowmem in the boot params? |
| 04:28.46 | mbent | running Sid, updated this morning from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 04:28.51 | mkrueger | or maybe does anybody know where to find the sources for the lowmem udeb. (i'm new at debian... old slackers build things from source tarballs) |
| 04:29.13 | mkrueger | pickcoder, yup tried that, "lowmem/low" |
| 04:29.39 | mkrueger | but the doc gave a reference of "Note" as the type, with no value... |
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| 04:33.07 | jim | mbent: first you might check the bug tracking system |
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| 04:35.13 | mbent | jim: i can't see anything there though |
| 04:35.22 | jim | mbent, (the first step is to determine what the problem is) |
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| 04:36.52 | mbent | how would i go about doing that, i've looked at dmesg and /etc/log/messages |
| 04:36.55 | mkrueger | is there a well-know system for browsing debian package source code? |
| 04:37.07 | mbent | i can't find anything related in there |
| 04:37.12 | jim | what did you learn from doing so? |
| 04:37.21 | mkrueger | *well known* |
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| 04:37.34 | jim | mkrueger: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 04:37.35 | mbent | that the module was loaded and detected at May 12 14:01:53 hinterbridge kernel: input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /class/input/input5 |
| 04:37.39 | mkrueger | duh |
| 04:37.42 | jim | followed by cd, ls, cat, etc |
| 04:37.59 | jim | you did say well-known :P |
| 04:38.11 | mkrueger | my bad |
| 04:38.41 | jim | other than that, there's no common denominator... |
| 04:38.57 | mkrueger | that looks like it will do the trick though |
| 04:39.01 | jim | some projects use cvs, others use arch, etc |
| 04:39.26 | Lagbolt | whats best way to check and see what refresh rate you are using? is xrandr reporting correct for nvidia? |
| 04:40.04 | jim | mbent: what mouse port is your software using? what software are you trying to get working? |
| 04:40.31 | mbent | xorg |
| 04:40.49 | jim | ok, what mouse port is listed in its config file? |
| 04:40.55 | pickcoder | mbent: welcome to unstable |
| 04:40.58 | jim | (and what protocol) |
| 04:40.59 | mbent | :-) |
| 04:41.09 | pickcoder | I'm surprised you're getting any help at all here.. <g> |
| 04:42.00 | jim | notice I'm not reading your config :) |
| 04:42.06 | mbent | Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" |
| 04:42.33 | jim | and the port? |
| 04:42.36 | mkrueger | thx jim, pickcoder .. later |
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| 04:42.51 | jim | have fun |
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| 04:42.59 | mbent | where did my "touchpad" section go? |
| 04:43.27 | jim | maybe there are backups of previous configurations |
| 04:43.29 | pickcoder | !drxx |
| 04:43.29 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 04:43.55 | mbent | hmm, very odd anyway, thanks i'll see how that goes |
| 04:45.50 | pickcoder | bed time. later |
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| 04:49.44 | BLah^^ | Uhm |
| 04:49.55 | BLah^^ | What command to install packets in debian? |
| 04:50.02 | BLah^^ | Because I have used only ubuntu.. |
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| 04:51.11 | Wyzard | BLah^^: apt-get, synaptic, same things you used in Ubuntu |
| 04:51.21 | BLah^^ | ok, thanks |
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| 04:52.40 | shyam_k | is there any improvements to the network monitor panel applet,to take a log of the network usage? |
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| 04:52.50 | rhineheart_m | how to redirect http to https ? |
| 04:52.52 | shyam_k | i mean the gnome panel applet.. |
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| 04:53.56 | Wyzard | shyam_k: NetworkManager doesn't do any bandwidth monitoring, but the GNOME System Monitor application does, on the Resources tab |
| 04:54.13 | icekold^ | rhineheart_m: I found http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2008/03/04/step-by-step-configuring-ssl-under-apache.html useful |
| 04:54.28 | BLah^^ | Well.. |
| 04:54.35 | BLah^^ | I forgot my vserver's root password.. |
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| 04:56.06 | shyam_k | Wyzard: OMG! the ideal thing i dreamt of:) |
| 04:56.13 | shyam_k | Wyzard: thanks:) |
| 04:57.12 | shyam_k | Wyzard: and i am more in need of an automatic logging..of the process.. |
| 04:57.38 | zeeble | install ntop. |
| 04:57.54 | Wyzard | shyam_k: You mean logging network usage to disk? |
| 04:57.58 | shyam_k | yes |
| 04:58.10 | Wyzard | shyam_k: MRTG is a popular way to do that, but I don't have experience with it myself |
| 04:58.52 | shyam_k | cool ill check those two. |
| 04:59.07 | zeeble | mrtg is overkill for 1 pc |
| 04:59.10 | Wyzard | shyam_k: http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ has an example on the front page of what a graph looks like |
| 04:59.35 | shyam_k | ic.. yeah i just reachede there searching.. |
| 05:00.16 | Wyzard | It's packaged as "mrtg" |
| 05:00.16 | Livingroom | how do i tell the system to boot verbose? |
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| 05:05.38 | rexnubulr | hey people |
| 05:05.47 | rexnubulr | how come Debian isos, so many, 21 for 40r3? |
| 05:05.49 | rexnubulr | whats up with that? |
| 05:05.52 | BLah^^ | what's the packet name of restricted java? |
| 05:05.58 | BLah^^ | sun's one |
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| 05:08.11 | BLah^^ | I tried sun-java6-jdk |
| 05:08.17 | BLah^^ | but couldn't find |
| 05:08.28 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 05:08.28 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 05:08.56 | simonrvn | rexnubulr: yes, and? that's the whole of etch, including sources. only one (or net install) to install |
| 05:09.09 | BLah^^ | !non-free sources |
| 05:09.09 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 05:09.29 | zeeble | duh |
| 05:10.19 | haxality | hi I'm having a weird problem when I close my screen, instead of blanking it like I set in gnome-power-preferences, it goes into suspend and I have to wake it twice to get it back to desktop |
| 05:10.32 | haxality | I'm running XFCE by the way |
| 05:10.36 | BLah^^ | well uh |
| 05:10.42 | BLah^^ | how to add those to the list? |
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| 05:11.38 | zeeble | edit /etc/apt/sources, add contrib non-free to the end of main |
| 05:11.41 | haxality | oops nevermind! |
| 05:11.59 | BLah^^ | does debian have nano? |
| 05:12.14 | BLah^^ | seems like |
| 05:14.07 | BLah^^ | duh |
| 05:14.15 | BLah^^ | there reads already: etch main contrib non-free |
| 05:14.17 | markybob | BLah^^, you could try...uh, trying, before asking :P |
| 05:14.25 | BLah^^ | Well |
| 05:14.26 | BLah^^ | I did... |
| 05:14.31 | BLah^^ | and works |
| 05:14.32 | zeeble | then apt-get update, and apt-cache search java |
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| 05:15.09 | BLah^^ | still |
| 05:15.19 | BLah^^ | somehow |
| 05:15.27 | BLah^^ | this can find only sun-java5-jdk |
| 05:15.28 | BLah^^ | not java6 |
| 05:15.48 | Livingroom | is there an easy way to tell the system to boot in verbose? |
| 05:16.08 | markybob | BLah^^, java 6 is in etch backports, lenny and sid. take your pick |
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| 05:16.26 | BLah^^ | hmh? |
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| 05:16.31 | BLah^^ | I'm quite starter with debian |
| 05:16.38 | BLah^^ | and have used ubuntu for half years |
| 05:16.41 | BLah^^ | so I'm quite out.. |
| 05:17.12 | markybob | BLah^^, http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-jdk |
| 05:17.51 | BLah^^ | wget? |
| 05:18.13 | markybob | wget what? i'm not a mind-reader |
| 05:18.19 | BLah^^ | pff.. |
| 05:18.26 | BLah^^ | so I add that to /etc/sources.lst? |
| 05:18.27 | BLah^^ | list* |
| 05:18.46 | BLah^^ | ./etc/apt/sourcer.list* |
| 05:19.07 | zeeble | what are you running? etch or lenny? |
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| 05:19.10 | BLah^^ | sources.. |
| 05:19.11 | BLah^^ | Well |
| 05:19.15 | BLah^^ | I'm not sure |
| 05:19.18 | BLah^^ | they just told this is debian :P |
| 05:19.23 | BLah^^ | Because I bought vserver |
| 05:19.47 | BLah^^ | command to see it..? |
| 05:20.07 | zeeble | less /etc/debian_version |
| 05:20.30 | BLah^^ | 4.0 |
| 05:20.35 | jim | so it's etch |
| 05:21.31 | zeeble | so add this to your sources - deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 05:21.44 | jim | BLah^^: you're going to want to learn these commands today: cat ls mkdir rmdir head tail echo |
| 05:21.46 | shyam_k | it seems the iitm mirror has some problems? |
| 05:21.58 | webPragmatist | rm -rf |
| 05:21.58 | zeeble | then do a apt-get update, and now search for java6 |
| 05:22.08 | jim | webPragmatist: that's mean |
| 05:22.09 | BLah^^ | ls, mkdir, rmdir, tail, echo and ls I know already.. |
| 05:22.12 | shyam_k | it was working for me but not this time.. |
| 05:22.13 | zeeble | heh, he'll learn. |
| 05:22.19 | rhineheart_m | can debian handle RAID3? |
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| 05:22.27 | BLah^^ | Well |
| 05:22.33 | BLah^^ | command to remove java5 then? :D |
| 05:22.35 | BLah^^ | I forgot is |
| 05:22.35 | BLah^^ | it |
| 05:22.38 | zeeble | shyam_k: choose a different mirror. the iit chennai mirror prolly doesnt have a lot of bandwidth |
| 05:22.40 | shyam_k | Could not connect to ftp.iitm.ac.in:80 (203.199.213.69), connection |
| 05:22.40 | shyam_k | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.55 | zeeble | BLah^^: apt-get remove packagename |
| 05:22.58 | shyam_k | zeeble: yeah done |
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| 05:23.34 | haxality | how do you autostart applications with xfce in lenny? |
| 05:24.04 | markybob | haxality, you probably ask in #xfce |
| 05:24.25 | haxality | true! |
| 05:24.59 | jim | haxality: knowing this, so what did they say when you asked? |
| 05:25.18 | haxality | I didn't ask yet, I forgot :x |
| 05:25.20 | BLah^^ | Well |
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| 05:25.52 | zeeble | BLah^^: did you find java6 now? |
| 05:26.04 | gynterk | should be "Autostarted Applications" in settings menu |
| 05:26.13 | gynterk | at least, I have |
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| 05:27.03 | gynterk | haxality, $> xfce4-autostart-editor |
| 05:27.31 | BLah^^ | E: Broken packages |
| 05:27.51 | BLah^^ | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 05:28.08 | BLah^^ | oops |
| 05:28.10 | BLah^^ | there was paster |
| 05:28.11 | jim | reinstall the broken ones |
| 05:28.11 | BLah^^ | w/e |
| 05:28.20 | BLah^^ | well |
| 05:28.27 | BLah^^ | I don't know the broken ones |
| 05:28.38 | BLah^^ | how to see what java-ones are installed? |
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| 05:28.52 | BLah^^ | because I installed java5 |
| 05:28.53 | BLah^^ | and removed it |
| 05:29.21 | BLah^^ | I already removed sun-java5-jdk, sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-jre, sun-java5-doc |
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| 05:30.31 | zeeble | laters. worktime |
| 05:32.52 | jim | BLah^^: look at the output of dpkg -l |
| 05:33.16 | jim | if it can say "broken packages", that listing should tell you which ones have that status |
| 05:33.20 | BLah^^ | well |
| 05:33.23 | BLah^^ | before their names |
| 05:33.28 | BLah^^ | there read: rc |
| 05:33.42 | BLah^^ | before other names there reads ii |
| 05:33.45 | jim | that means: removed but config files still present |
| 05:33.57 | jim | look at the top couplalines |
| 05:33.59 | BLah^^ | cmd to remove them? |
| 05:34.17 | jim | those aren't the broken ones |
| 05:34.22 | jim | look at the top coupla lines |
| 05:34.33 | jim | then interpret based on that header |
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| 05:34.49 | jim | alternatively I guess you could grep for the status |
| 05:35.01 | BLah^^ | you mean that |
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| 05:35.41 | BLah^^ | http://paste.debian.net/2662/ |
| 05:35.43 | BLah^^ | you mean this one? |
| 05:35.44 | jim | the rc just means they got "dpkg -r"ed |
| 05:36.02 | jim | yeah |
| 05:36.09 | BLah^^ | well |
| 05:36.15 | BLah^^ | but all others are marked with ii |
| 05:36.17 | BLah^^ | so.. |
| 05:36.19 | jim | those top lines tell how to interpret the left two columns |
| 05:36.23 | BLah^^ | there can't be broken ones |
| 05:36.29 | jim | you sure? |
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| 05:36.50 | jim | try feeding that listing to grep -v ^ii |
| 05:37.33 | BLah^^ | well |
| 05:37.33 | BLah^^ | http://paste.debian.net/2663/ |
| 05:37.37 | jim | and it woudlnt' be a bad thing for you to glance at man grep to see what I'm doing |
| 05:38.05 | BLah^^ | well |
| 05:38.09 | BLah^^ | grep hasn't said anything yet |
| 05:38.35 | jim | what is the command to produce the full listing |
| 05:38.58 | BLah^^ | hmh |
| 05:39.00 | BLah^^ | ? |
| 05:39.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | i seem to recall a one liner for removing packages from your install. anyone konw the !bot ping? |
| 05:39.41 | jim | the command you typed to get that listing, probably one I told you (or you knew already) |
| 05:39.49 | BLah^^ | dpkg -l? |
| 05:39.50 | dpkg | BLah^^: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:39.52 | jim | yes |
| 05:39.59 | Lagbolt | Kamping_Kaiser, what packages you trying to remove |
| 05:40.07 | jim | so dpkg -l spews stuff to the terminal... yes? |
| 05:40.10 | BLah^^ | Lol.. |
| 05:40.15 | BLah^^ | If this terminal worked.. |
| 05:40.18 | Lagbolt | apt-get remove, dpkg removes them or aptitude works too |
| 05:40.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lagbolt, anything from backports |
| 05:40.52 | Lagbolt | you want to remove all backports? |
| 05:41.04 | jim | but you're getting that listing, yes? |
| 05:41.11 | BLah^^ | Well |
| 05:41.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 05:41.17 | BLah^^ | dpkg -l |
| 05:41.18 | dpkg | BLah^^: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:41.18 | Lagbolt | can i ask why? |
| 05:41.24 | BLah^^ | says |
| 05:41.27 | BLah^^ | that |
| 05:41.37 | BLah^^ | same what I put to pastepin |
| 05:41.38 | BLah^^ | JDK) 5.0 |
| 05:41.38 | BLah^^ | rc sun-java5-jre 1.5.0-14-1etch Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 ( |
| 05:41.38 | BLah^^ | ii sysklogd 1.4.1-18 System Logging Daemon |
| 05:41.38 | BLah^^ | ii sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-38 System-V-like runlevel change mechanism |
| 05:41.38 | BLah^^ | ii sysvinit 2.86.ds1-38 System-V-like init utilities |
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| 05:41.53 | jim | ok |
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| 05:41.55 | BLah^^ | wtf? |
| 05:41.57 | BLah^^ | lol |
| 05:42.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lagbolt, well, my mare does. im the one asking. hes trying to debug an unstable system |
| 05:42.01 | BLah^^ | It pasted that whole thing.. |
| 05:42.06 | BLah^^ | and I was going to paste the pastebin address |
| 05:42.08 | BLah^^ | lol |
| 05:42.10 | BLah^^ | but |
| 05:42.13 | BLah^^ | to be continued later |
| 05:42.15 | BLah^^ | gotta go now |
| 05:42.15 | jim | so that showed up in your terminal |
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| 05:42.28 | streuner | !+tell BLah^^ -about enter |
| 05:42.28 | dpkg | told BLah^^ about enter. |
| 05:42.43 | Lagbolt | your mare eh. well not sure if there is a way to remove all from a source like that, you could write a script that does it |
| 05:42.43 | jim | just like if you said (say) cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:42.51 | jim | it would spew something to the terminal |
| 05:43.00 | Lagbolt | you can either remove or downgrade each package with a bash script |
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| 05:43.04 | BLah^^ | 4.0 |
| 05:43.05 | BLah^^ | once again |
| 05:43.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lagbolt, i might have to |
| 05:43.15 | BLah^^ | Well |
| 05:43.20 | BLah^^ | but I gotta go now |
| 05:43.25 | BLah^^ | to be continued later today.. |
| 05:43.38 | jim | BLah^^ say I wanted to feed the output of dpkg -l to grep -v ^ii |
| 05:43.40 | Lagbolt | Kamping_Kaiser, you might try this . . . comment out backports source from sources.list |
| 05:43.44 | Lagbolt | then apt-get update |
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| 05:43.55 | Lagbolt | then apt-get dist-upgrade. . . not sure but it might downgrade you back to etch? |
| 05:43.58 | Lagbolt | anyone ever try that? |
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| 05:44.22 | deadcat_ | 3/t |
| 05:44.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think it will leave the existing packages in place |
| 05:44.40 | iateadonut | is there an application that will show me where my keys are? |
| 05:44.54 | iateadonut | for example, if i press 'f', it'll give me 0x4f or whatever? |
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| 05:45.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | iateadonut, iirc xmodmap or xinput |
| 05:45.21 | cahoot | xev |
| 05:45.57 | iateadonut | /jin #xinput |
| 05:46.00 | jim | well the debian maints won't lift a finger to support downgrades... some simple packages might work, but if it's more complicated in certain ways, it's not going to work and the maints have historically refused to do it |
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| 05:46.05 | Lagbolt | well Kamping_Kaiser did you try to be sure? |
| 05:46.11 | Lagbolt | Kamping_Kaiser, otherwise a short bash script would do it |
| 05:46.30 | Lagbolt | only trouble is you have to be careful not to remove important things unless you downgrade |
| 05:46.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lagbolt, i'll knock up a script later |
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| 05:47.19 | Lagbolt | Kamping_Kaiser, if you write a script that outputs a list of backported files then you could cat that into "apt-get -t etch - |
| 05:47.29 | Lagbolt | something like that |
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| 05:50.42 | Lagbolt | Kamping_Kaiser, what exactly is the problem. . i wouldnt think you need to downgrade entire thing |
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| 05:52.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lagbolt, i'm not sure, i'll have to follow up with him when hes back from lunch |
| 05:52.51 | Lagbolt | cool |
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| 05:53.25 | jim | the bottom line is: if you ever want to downgrade, know that you cannot. the next best thing is to restore from your backup |
| 05:54.05 | jim | you know, the one you made before you did a radical upgrade that changed everything on your machine other than what's in your home dir :) |
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| 05:54.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* |
| 05:55.07 | jim | people never listen to me whenI say "back up your hd" and "make a backup plan" |
| 05:55.47 | jim | that's ok, it's also said in the install guide and everyone reads that |
| 05:55.49 | jim | right? :) |
| 05:56.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | of course they would :) |
| 05:59.06 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't the man hexdump talk anything about endian |
| 05:59.44 | jim | because hex dumps can dump things that don't have endians |
| 06:00.03 | JyZyXEL | well by default it uses the little-endian |
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| 06:00.17 | jim | so essentially... it's off topic in that manpagea |
| 06:00.41 | JyZyXEL | can you change the endianness? |
| 06:00.45 | jim | (which is just another way of saying YAY WE DON"T HAVE TO SAY IT) |
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| 06:06.02 | rhineheart_m | how to prevent not being indexed by major search engines? |
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| 06:06.56 | jim | so you want to stop indexers from refusing to index you? |
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| 06:07.16 | jim | or you want to stop indexers from not refusing to fail to index you? |
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| 06:08.13 | Lagbolt | arg level 4 of dungeons of daggeroth is hard lol |
| 06:08.28 | jberg | does anyone know of a good profiler for C/C++? |
| 06:08.38 | jim | what's a daggeroth |
| 06:09.29 | Lagbolt | 1980's trs80 game ported to linux now :) |
| 06:09.36 | jim | jberg: what about the profiler and profiling support that comes with gcc? |
| 06:09.44 | Lagbolt | it is the original 1st person game :) programmed on 8k rom pack |
| 06:09.53 | jim | how do you get it |
| 06:09.55 | jberg | jim: oh i didnt know gcc had support for that |
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| 06:10.08 | jberg | i see valgrind has some profiling tools too |
| 06:10.24 | jim | well at least it used to... you could install profiling libraries (like a profiling version of libc, etc) |
| 06:10.40 | jberg | i know intel has vtunes or something |
| 06:10.48 | jberg | but i dont know if its free |
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| 06:12.12 | CodeBlock | question: i want to change the port of OpenSSH-server. I changed the /etc/ssh/ssh_config to reflect the new port. How do i reload the config now? Or should i just reboot? |
| 06:12.29 | streuner | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 06:12.40 | streuner | (is enough) |
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| 06:13.45 | CodeBlock | streuner: thats what i thought, and the change isn't taking effect.. hmm |
| 06:14.31 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 06:14.31 | catsup | qmail, which is currently in non-free, has been released into the public domain. i suppose i should file a bug. what priority? |
| 06:14.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:14.46 | CodeBlock | mm.......... |
| 06:15.06 | streuner | catsup: public domain? |
| 06:15.28 | catsup | streuner: yep |
| 06:15.35 | streuner | catsup: into main? |
| 06:15.45 | CodeBlock | uhhh. what else do you want me to say? It still listens for connections on port 22, and it doesn't listen for them on the new port... when I run /etc/inir.d/ssh restart, it says "Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd." so... yeah |
| 06:15.58 | streuner | catsup: did the lizens change? |
| 06:16.03 | catsup | streuner: no, i mean the upstream, which previously was not in the public domain, now is |
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| 06:17.25 | streuner | CodeBlock: well, its not configured right then |
| 06:18.00 | streuner | catsup: URL? |
| 06:18.22 | CodeBlock | streuner: i just installed it today, from apt, and thats the only change i made to it (the port change in the config file)... so i dont know what else could be wrong. :( |
| 06:18.44 | catsup | http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html |
| 06:18.49 | streuner | CodeBlock: hardware-router? |
| 06:19.10 | CodeBlock | streuner: hm? |
| 06:19.13 | catsup | streuner: previously, the software had no license at all |
| 06:19.16 | jim | Lagbolt, how do you go about running that ported game |
| 06:19.25 | Lagbolt | i just downloaded it |
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| 06:19.30 | Lagbolt | and ran it :) it is a binary |
| 06:19.34 | jim | link? |
| 06:19.35 | Lagbolt | you have to have some sdl libs tho |
| 06:19.46 | jim | np, I'd just install those |
| 06:20.08 | catsup | djb, the author, had put source on the web site, and instead of a license, declared that doing so makes licensing superfluous |
| 06:20.22 | streuner | CodeBlock: is there a hardware-router _before_ the ssh-server? |
| 06:20.22 | Lagbolt | http://mspencer.net/daggorath/dodpcp.html |
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| 06:20.52 | catsup | apparently he changed his mind and put all his software in the public domain on 2008.02.27 |
| 06:21.19 | streuner | !qmail |
| 06:21.20 | dpkg | qmail is, like, a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
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| 06:23.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | that factoid will need updating |
| 06:23.44 | CodeBlock | streuner: mm... yeah but I can access my other servers fine thru it.. as in this is the first time i've had problems... and it works fine on port 22... so for some reason the port-change in the config is not taking effect |
| 06:23.45 | CodeBlock | >< |
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| 06:24.03 | susanne-- | all djb software is now public domain. this includes qmail, ucspi-tcp, daemontools, tinydns, publicfile, and so on. |
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| 06:24.44 | susanne-- | and before it went public domain, there was a license, just not in the tarball. |
| 06:25.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | catsup, an ITP was filed on it a few days after it went PD |
| 06:25.10 | catsup | what's an itp? |
| 06:25.17 | streuner | CodeBlock: did you change the port-forwarding in the hardware-router as well? |
| 06:25.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | intent to package |
| 06:25.39 | catsup | but it's already packaged... |
| 06:25.47 | catsup | anyway--ok |
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| 06:26.22 | catsup | susanne--: there was? hm... i remember a rant on his web page against having to license |
| 06:26.22 | susanne-- | catsup: re filing a bug, a bug has already been filed against qmail-src for this issue. the maintainer closed the bug because he doesn't understand that "public domain" provides enough rights to move it into main. |
| 06:26.22 | CodeBlock | streuner: bah i figured it out. Thanks for your help :) |
| 06:26.23 | streuner | CodeBlock: np |
| 06:27.14 | catsup | Kamping_Kaiser, susanne--, how do you find this shit out? |
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| 06:27.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | catsup, use the force |
| 06:27.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | catsup, actually the bts and -devel :) |
| 06:28.36 | susanne-- | yeah it's in bts, i'm looking for it. the maintainer is ... mentally challenged ... on this point. |
| 06:29.47 | susanne-- | ah here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453620 |
| 06:29.55 | susanne-- | i should reopen that bug just to be a bitch. |
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| 06:31.03 | vraa | is there a way to find out if i have a dual layer dvd burner? |
| 06:31.17 | susanne-- | vraa: pop a blank in there, try to burn it, and see what it does. |
| 06:31.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | susanne--, meh. do we really need qmail to keep living? :/ |
| 06:31.31 | cahoot | wodim -prcap? |
| 06:31.32 | vraa | good idea, what program do you suggest to burn stuff with? |
| 06:31.40 | susanne-- | vraa: k3b |
| 06:31.42 | vraa | i heard brasero is default in ubuntu, you guys ilke that? |
| 06:31.44 | vraa | k3b it is |
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| 06:32.01 | cahoot | wodim -prcap vraa (for info) |
| 06:32.20 | streuner | !qpxtool |
| 06:32.24 | streuner | !info qpxtool |
| 06:32.31 | vraa | root@copyboss:~# wodim -prcap vraa |
| 06:32.32 | vraa | bash: wodim: command not found |
| 06:32.32 | susanne-- | kamping_kaiser: personally, i do. i use some of its functionality that is unique to it, and while it's true that the functionality i use can be reproduced in various ways in other MTAs, I have no wish to climb that learning curve again ... since Google won't do a catch-all for me. |
| 06:32.50 | dpkg | qpxtool: (CD/DVD quality checker), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.6.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 345 kB, Installed size: 1280 kB |
| 06:33.12 | streuner | vraa: ^^^ just install that package |
| 06:33.18 | cahoot | vraa: vraa being your nick not an option for wodim |
| 06:33.45 | vraa | i will have to run qpxtool after apt-get finishes getting k3b |
| 06:33.58 | vraa | even if i remove the vraa, it still says command not found |
| 06:34.09 | catsup | djb seems to write good software |
| 06:34.16 | jim | Lagbolt: did you get 0.5.0 working? |
| 06:34.26 | Lagbolt | no |
| 06:34.29 | Lagbolt | i use .4 |
| 06:34.38 | jim | ok |
| 06:34.39 | Lagbolt | all i want is the original game so really doesnt matter much to me |
| 06:34.39 | valdyn | more like "djb writes software that was good when he wrote it" |
| 06:35.22 | jim | did you notice you were getting hit often? |
| 06:35.32 | catsup | valdyn: what, does it expire? |
| 06:35.51 | jim | public domain expireware |
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| 06:37.21 | valdyn | catsup: no one uses unpatched qmail, demand changes |
| 06:37.42 | susanne-- | so use netqmail, which is also just about public domain. |
| 06:37.44 | markybob | no one uses qmail, period |
| 06:37.55 | susanne-- | markybob: i use it. now go away. |
| 06:37.55 | markybob | last time i used qmail was 1995. literally |
| 06:38.23 | markybob | susanne--, you should upgrade to something less anal, such as postfix :P |
| 06:38.27 | streuner | !start a mta war |
| 06:38.27 | dpkg | postfix is hard to configure |
| 06:38.30 | markybob | ha |
| 06:38.36 | catsup | heheh |
| 06:38.42 | markybob | postfix is the easiest thing in the world compared to qmail |
| 06:38.47 | streuner | !literal start a mta war |
| 06:38.47 | dpkg | "start a mta war" is "<reply> see start an mta war" |
| 06:38.49 | markybob | qmail is the rectum of email |
| 06:38.55 | streuner | !literal start an mta war |
| 06:38.56 | dpkg | "start an mta war" is "<REPLY> (sendmail|qmail|courier|exim|postfix|smail) (is a spam magnet|systems are liable to be r00ted|rulez|sucks|owns|loses mail|is hard to configure|has shitty documentation|has an evil license)" |
| 06:38.57 | susanne-- | markybob you should pay me to climb the learning curve again. it works for what i do, and i understand how to make it do what i want. i therefore have no need to change. |
| 06:38.58 | jim | qmail isn't that hard, once you understand it |
| 06:39.10 | streuner | jim: hehe |
| 06:39.26 | streuner | that's not the question --> see the factoid about |
| 06:39.35 | markybob | qmail was a nightmare. i ran it on bsdi...which i'm thankful isnt around anymore |
| 06:39.43 | markybob | bsdi 3.0...yahoooo |
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| 06:40.00 | jim | my first use of it was to support a webmail package which unfortunately used oracle |
| 06:40.06 | jim | it worked tho! |
| 06:40.21 | markybob | sure it works. it's just an asshole and a pain in the ass |
| 06:40.34 | susanne-- | no more an asshole or pain in the ass than you. |
| 06:40.42 | markybob | no arguments there |
| 06:41.02 | catsup | heheh |
| 06:41.07 | streuner | susanne--: the factoid about is usually enough for most people |
| 06:41.12 | jim | !start a nonwar |
| 06:42.08 | streuner | We need to recommend easy MTA's and well supported MTA's here... |
| 06:42.10 | markybob | susanne--, interesting how you jumped to personal insults, though |
| 06:42.12 | catsup | well qmail is one thing |
| 06:42.21 | rahul | arse |
| 06:42.34 | rahul | insults markybob impersonally |
| 06:42.35 | catsup | anyone use djbdns ? |
| 06:42.36 | markybob | rahul, fuck you. i know it was you that crashed into my trash cans |
| 06:42.45 | susanne-- | catsup: i use it. |
| 06:42.46 | markybob | rahul, :) |
| 06:42.49 | rahul | heh |
| 06:42.56 | rahul | that was my hot ass |
| 06:43.04 | rahul | it was out of control! |
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| 06:44.52 | susanne-- | catsup: do you have a question about djbdns? |
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| 06:45.59 | streuner | hm |
| 06:46.16 | catsup | no. heh. |
| 06:46.30 | susanne-- | catsup: it's a nice piece of software. |
| 06:46.41 | rahul | ok, I better pass out before I drunkenly knock over markybob, I mean knock up |
| 06:46.45 | catsup | i suppose i originally intended to have one, but then i couldn't think one up |
| 06:47.05 | markybob | heh |
| 06:47.11 | rahul | HEH |
| 06:47.14 | rahul | HRH |
| 06:47.34 | rahul | falls over and starts snoring |
| 06:50.04 | vraa | Current Profile: DVD+R Dual Layer |
| 06:50.08 | vraa | sweet i think it worked, thanks guys! |
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| 06:53.14 | nixbox | where should i add the ethernet bridge creation and configuration lines so that even if the server reboots, the configuration is done |
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| 06:53.39 | ribasushi | hi |
| 06:54.12 | vraa | okay so now what would you guys do to setup 3d acceleration with the nvidia stuff |
| 06:54.27 | ribasushi | where do I get the source pool pubkey for the apt keyring? DSA key ID D9309644 |
| 06:54.34 | Lagbolt | vraa install nvidia kernel driver and nvidia-glx :) |
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| 06:54.56 | catsup | nixbox: probably in /etc/network/interfaces as commands attached to your interfaces |
| 06:54.58 | simonrvn | ribasushi: /msg dpkg apt-key $KEYID |
| 06:55.12 | vraa | E: Package nvidia-kernel has no installation candidate |
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| 06:55.34 | ribasushi | neat |
| 06:55.36 | simonrvn | !tell vraa -about search |
| 06:55.37 | ribasushi | simonrvn++ |
| 06:55.39 | Lagbolt | vraa, using etch or lenny? |
| 06:55.52 | vraa | lenny, i kinda wanted something which would require work so i could learn the ins and outs |
| 06:56.01 | ribasushi | simonrvn: is there a reason this is not a package as well? do I always need to keep this key up-to-date manually? |
| 06:56.06 | Lagbolt | nvidia stuff wasnt in lenny, |
| 06:56.15 | simonrvn | debian-something-keyring |
| 06:56.29 | ribasushi | simonrvn: it doesn't contain this specific key |
| 06:56.30 | Lagbolt | you can add unstable source and bring it in |
| 06:56.43 | ribasushi | simonrvn: this is my questioan actually - why the source stuff is left out, although signed |
| 06:56.57 | simonrvn | ribasushi: oh, yeh, you're right |
| 06:57.38 | simonrvn | ribasushi: i see... that's a DD key (i'm thinking, from what you're saying), that would be in debian-maintainer-keyring IIRC |
| 06:57.41 | ribasushi | I guess I'll file a bug/wishlist |
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| 06:57.56 | ribasushi | lemesee... |
| 06:58.02 | simonrvn | if it isn't, then fetch it from subkeys |
| 06:58.37 | simonrvn | i must admit that compiz is rather addictive |
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| 07:00.39 | vraa | hey Lagbolt i did some googling, so i have to add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" to my sources.list in /etc/apt/ |
| 07:00.57 | Lagbolt | vraa, you will want to make sure you tell apt to prefer lenny too |
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| 07:01.06 | Lagbolt | or you may get some unstable stuff later |
| 07:01.17 | vraa | how "unstable" is unstable? |
| 07:01.31 | Lagbolt | lol i used to use it a lot |
| 07:01.39 | vraa | then i shall move onwards! |
| 07:01.43 | Lagbolt | now i run a testing/unstable mix. .. mostly testing |
| 07:01.45 | vraa | can i replace all the "lenny" with "sid" ? |
| 07:01.50 | Lagbolt | you can set apt to prefer testing |
| 07:02.11 | Lagbolt | that way unless yo need a package from unstable or specifically tell it unstable all will come from testing |
| 07:02.29 | vraa | testing is lenny right? i think right now that's what my sources.list are set to |
| 07:02.38 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 07:02.43 | Lagbolt | lenny=testing sid=unstable |
| 07:02.49 | jim | got it to build and run :) |
| 07:02.51 | vraa | http://pastebin.ca/1015476 <-- that's what mine looks like right now |
| 07:03.34 | ribasushi | simonrvn: yep, none of the packages you mention contain it |
| 07:03.35 | Lagbolt | yeah so you could also add another source that is unstable |
| 07:03.47 | ribasushi | subkeys it is |
| 07:03.50 | Lagbolt | then you can install packages from both, but by default it will install newest packages |
| 07:04.00 | Lagbolt | you dont really want that. so you can tell it to prefer testing |
| 07:04.02 | vraa | i can add the exact line i quoted right ? |
| 07:04.06 | Lagbolt | that way you dont upgrade to unstable |
| 07:04.08 | vraa | how can i tell it to prefer testing? |
| 07:04.10 | ribasushi | and you are right that every src package has a key on its own |
| 07:04.18 | Lagbolt | yes |
| 07:04.25 | Lagbolt | add that |
| 07:04.59 | Lagbolt | then in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d make a file something like "02preferdistro" and put this in it "APT::Default-Release "lenny"; |
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| 07:05.26 | jim | now how do I do anything :) |
| 07:05.44 | Lagbolt | anything? lol |
| 07:05.58 | jim | I tried all the letters... |
| 07:06.10 | Lagbolt | what are you talking about? |
| 07:06.23 | Lagbolt | DoD? |
| 07:06.26 | jim | in the dungeony thing |
| 07:06.28 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:06.35 | Lagbolt | well you could read the how to play lol |
| 07:06.42 | Lagbolt | but all things are abrievs |
| 07:06.46 | Lagbolt | E = examine |
| 07:06.54 | Lagbolt | shows whats in backpack :) L then is look to go back |
| 07:07.06 | Lagbolt | i dont want to get too off topic |
| 07:07.08 | Lagbolt | but try this |
| 07:07.10 | Lagbolt | p r t |
| 07:07.11 | Lagbolt | u r |
| 07:07.12 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 07:07.27 | jim | I think I need to put the executable in a different place |
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| 07:07.32 | jim | let me try that |
| 07:07.39 | abdoreza | hi |
| 07:07.46 | Lagbolt | hi abdoreza |
| 07:08.06 | abdoreza | Lagbolt: How are u? |
| 07:08.07 | abdoreza | :D |
| 07:08.28 | Lagbolt | notbad |
| 07:08.29 | Lagbolt | yuo? |
| 07:08.46 | abdoreza | thanks:D |
| 07:09.12 | Lagbolt | jim, it runs from the untarred dir fine |
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| 07:09.59 | jim | in my case it doesn't... I had to rebuild it with libstdc++6 |
| 07:10.36 | jim | if I installed 5, it would have pulled in gcc-3.3 |
| 07:10.55 | jim | pitapitapitA |
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| 07:14.49 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:15.12 | Lagbolt | mornin |
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| 07:15.25 | microtux | hi |
| 07:15.38 | dimir | Tiny one? |
| 07:15.45 | abdoreza | microtux: hi , how are u? |
| 07:15.46 | abdoreza | :d |
| 07:15.49 | dimir | But bugger than nanotux. |
| 07:16.13 | microtux | abdoreza, fine thx; u? |
| 07:16.31 | abdoreza | very thanks |
| 07:16.38 | microtux | dimir, yep; bigger than nano |
| 07:16.39 | ribasushi | simonrvn: just FYI (and maybe add it to the faq) - one needs to install the monstrous debian-keyring and refer to it in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf as per the documentation supplied with debian-keyring |
| 07:16.56 | ribasushi | then apt-get source X does not complain about missing sigs |
| 07:17.10 | simonrvn | !apt-key |
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| 07:17.21 | simonrvn | !no public key |
| 07:17.21 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 07:17.46 | simonrvn | ribasushi: i just didn't remember the package name *grin* |
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| 07:18.22 | slxix | debian-keyring ? |
| 07:18.46 | microtux | how can i detect that my eth link is down; |
| 07:18.53 | simonrvn | nods |
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| 07:19.04 | ribasushi | microtux: look at the output of ip link |
| 07:19.05 | simonrvn | microtux: ping something ;) |
| 07:19.22 | ribasushi | microtux: if you mean actual down state of course |
| 07:19.29 | microtux | i want to write a script that performs dhclient every time the link is down |
| 07:19.33 | sauvin | anybody know of something already in the debian repos that can convert cue/bin to iso? |
| 07:19.57 | slxix | apt-cache search cue bin iso |
| 07:21.30 | microtux | ribasushi, i can't understand the outpu of ip link; i didn't found smthing that tells whether the link is up/down |
| 07:21.31 | sauvin | Bingo. Thanks. |
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| 07:22.10 | ribasushi | microtux: you don't mean down as "turned off" you mean "down" as doesn't work - ip link will not help you there |
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| 07:22.24 | slxix | from the manpage, it says you could do: ip link show eth0 |
| 07:22.42 | civillian | microtux: you mean the Cisco sense of down? |
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| 07:23.21 | ribasushi | microtux: for your "down" just ping your default GW - if nothing comes back you are in trouble |
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| 07:24.13 | microtux | ribasushi, civillian ok thank you |
| 07:24.46 | gs-d876 | sauvin: bchunk? |
| 07:24.59 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 07:25.02 | negboy | excuse me , i have problem with my compiled kernel on debian for installing nvdida driver , when i wanna install the drvier it says http://phpfi.com/316052 |
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| 07:25.26 | negboy | what's the problem , plz help me . |
| 07:26.08 | civillian | regarding link state; ip link | grep NO-CARRIER isn't bad |
| 07:26.47 | negboy | now im on my kernel and i installed the headers of the kernel. |
| 07:27.06 | vraa | do you guys know if there's a way to get something like "network neighborhood" but in debian? so i can browse the available shares |
| 07:27.57 | iateadonut | Lneighborhood i think. |
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| 07:28.32 | vraa | http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/index.html |
| 07:28.35 | vraa | excellent thanks! |
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| 07:30.43 | slxix | wmii just became my favorite window manager. |
| 07:31.11 | jim | I miss fvwm |
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| 07:31.21 | iateadonut | sorry. i mean linneighborhood |
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| 07:31.44 | dutchfish | how can i find out which gcc has been used for a given binary [foo] inside a binary only debian package? |
| 07:32.02 | slxix | did something happen to fvwm? why do you miss it? |
| 07:32.37 | iateadonut | i think there's something better, though, but i forget what. |
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| 07:33.09 | slxix | iateadonut: xsmbrowser was the only thing i could find. |
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| 07:34.37 | iateadonut | i'll install that and try it out. |
| 07:34.38 | ribasushi | bah |
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| 07:34.43 | iateadonut | bah. |
| 07:34.46 | ribasushi | packages.d.o is down |
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| 07:35.46 | phyburn | I have a java application running and it keeps giving a error saying to many open files, is there something I can do to increase the open file limit? |
| 07:35.54 | phyburn | java people told me to ask here =/ |
| 07:36.18 | dutchfish | how can i find out which gcc has been used for a given binary [foo] inside a binary only debian package? i ask this because i found a nasty regression bug which can lead to security issues when compiling a kernel/module in gcc 4.1.1-21 |
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| 07:36.38 | slxix | phyburn: you shouldn't increase the open file limit without having a good reason. do you know why so many files are open? |
| 07:37.03 | phyburn | slxix yes I'm running a game server, and the more users that connect the more files that are opened |
| 07:38.00 | \amethys1 | phyburn: are you running the server as root or as a user? |
| 07:38.04 | phyburn | user |
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| 07:38.53 | \amethys1 | phyburn: in /etc/security/limits.conf you can add something like username - nofile 32768 |
| 07:38.55 | dutchfish | phyburn, is your gameserver java based? |
| 07:38.55 | phyburn | I didn't really want to run it as root, but would that be a better idea? |
| 07:38.56 | jim | thats probably a good idea too, you'd have to increase the limit for users |
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| 07:39.07 | phyburn | yes the game ios java base |
| 07:39.09 | cahoot | dutchfish: so you don't actually run the kernel in question? |
| 07:39.23 | jim | oops, no, probably not good to run as root |
| 07:39.31 | \amethys1 | phyburn: then the next time you log in as that user, the maximum number of fds per process will be 32768 |
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| 07:39.51 | vraa | hey Lagbolt, i got the unstable, but still same error |
| 07:39.51 | phyburn | okay ill ad that and replace username with the username ^+^ |
| 07:39.51 | vraa | E: Package nvidia-kernel has no installation candidate |
| 07:39.54 | dutchfish | phyburn, you can do that in your java-envirenment, the linux kernel is prolly not your horizon for the file-limit |
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| 07:40.06 | Lagbolt | vraa what are you installing? |
| 07:40.20 | dutchfish | cahoot, are you referrig to my question? |
| 07:40.21 | vraa | apt-get install nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx |
| 07:40.24 | Lagbolt | do you have any nvidia packages installed? |
| 07:40.28 | cahoot | dutchfish: yes |
| 07:40.32 | vraa | no i dont believe so |
| 07:40.36 | dutchfish | cahoot, yes |
| 07:40.44 | Lagbolt | you need to select nvidia that matches your kernel |
| 07:40.54 | Lagbolt | vraa, try apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 07:41.00 | cahoot | dutchfish: doesn't /proc/version say what compiler was used? |
| 07:41.19 | dutchfish | cahoot, ah good tip, hold on |
| 07:41.19 | vraa | i get quite a few files |
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| 07:41.49 | phyburn | phyburn - nofile 32768 So just add that to /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 07:42.21 | dutchfish | cahoot, no, only major version 4.1.2 in this case not 4.1.1-21 |
| 07:43.29 | dutchfish | cahoot, my main concern is not the kernel only, but the binaries it has been produced, is it possible to get wich gcc has been used out from a binary? |
| 07:43.50 | cahoot | dutchfish: beyond my competence |
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| 07:44.34 | dutchfish | cahoot, i try a hexeditor then |
| 07:44.40 | phyburn | \amethys1, phyburn - nofile 32768 So just add that to /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 07:45.01 | dutchfish | cahoot, and make a quick script for it |
| 07:45.06 | dutchfish | cahoot, thank you |
| 07:45.47 | \amethys1 | phyburn: yes |
| 07:45.50 | simonrvn | dutchfish: strings, sometimes, but only unstripped ones |
| 07:45.58 | \amethys1 | phyburn: then log out, log back in, and restart the server |
| 07:46.07 | dutchfish | simonrvn, yup |
| 07:46.10 | simonrvn | actually, remove that "sometimes, " |
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| 07:46.39 | dutchfish | simonrvn, sigh, this is nasty |
| 07:46.44 | simonrvn | if it's stripped, depending on how it was stripped, you may/may not see that |
| 07:46.59 | simonrvn | sure can ;) |
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| 07:47.45 | dutchfish | simonrvn, for now, is it possible to get a newer version of gcc in etch then 4.1.2-12? |
| 07:48.06 | simonrvn | backports, if not, you're on your own |
| 07:48.22 | dutchfish | !info gcc bpo |
| 07:50.17 | bAndie91 | hi all |
| 07:50.25 | slxix | hi |
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| 07:51.18 | bAndie91 | how can i run a command at specific time with at? |
| 07:51.39 | susanne-- | you want cron for that. |
| 07:51.54 | cahoot | why not atd? |
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| 07:52.43 | dutchfish | simonrvn, sorry, 4.1.2-12 is bpo darn 4.1.1-15 is etch the former one has too many regression bugs, forget what i said |
| 07:52.50 | \amethys1 | bAndie91: every day at that time, or just once? |
| 07:53.00 | bAndie91 | just once |
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| 07:53.20 | \amethys1 | bAndie91: at 17:45 <<<"your command goes here" |
| 07:53.28 | \amethys1 | (assuming bash) |
| 07:53.40 | bAndie91 | with 3 "<" |
| 07:53.46 | bAndie91 | ? |
| 07:54.03 | simonrvn | dutchfish: heh |
| 07:54.14 | dutchfish | !info gcc etch |
| 07:54.16 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 07:54.19 | simonrvn | dutchfish: what did you say? i forgot :P |
| 07:54.25 | dutchfish | simonrvn, :) |
| 07:55.00 | dutchfish | needs a strong coffee |
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| 07:56.11 | bAndie91 | \amethys1, thanks, it seems work |
| 07:58.12 | vraa | is alsa still the thing to use for audio? |
| 07:59.12 | dutchfish | vraa, yes preferable |
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| 08:02.27 | simonrvn | vraa: yeh, and i woulsn't use oss unless you have to do that. |
| 08:02.38 | simonrvn | s,sn,dn, |
| 08:03.31 | slxix | that almost looks like noise. :) |
| 08:03.58 | vraa | dude it works! |
| 08:04.00 | vraa | you guys rule |
| 08:04.08 | vraa | btw, i couldn't get the nvidia driver working |
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| 08:18.30 | bAndie91 | hi all |
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| 08:19.10 | bAndie91 | ih |
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| 08:19.13 | bAndie91 | hi |
| 08:19.35 | bAndie91 | dhclient get no ip, how can i set? |
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| 08:21.07 | daya | anyone have idea, My scim works in gnome applications, but not in kde appls |
| 08:21.25 | streuner | bAndie: man dhclient.conf |
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| 08:32.08 | jengelh | packages.debian.org seems dead, no? |
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| 08:33.12 | dutchfish | jengelh, i have same problem |
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| 08:36.49 | dutchfish | jengelh, looks like puccini.debian.org seams not so responsive atm |
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| 08:37.41 | dancek_ | Is there a way to prevent myself from logging in through ssh temporarily? I don't have root privileges. |
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| 08:39.34 | valdyn | dancek: let your cat generate a password |
| 08:39.41 | jengelh | nya? |
| 08:40.06 | dutchfish | valdyn, he said "temporarely" ;) |
| 08:41.13 | valdyn | dancek: and "echo 'Command to set valid password' | at 22:3" if atd is installed |
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| 08:42.03 | valdyn | dancek: this whole idea though seems silly |
| 08:42.06 | Nighteye | hello |
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| 08:42.58 | dancek | valdyn, that sounds dangerous |
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| 08:43.33 | dutchfish | mm... only if he shares his non-root account would this been meaningfull .... mmmm |
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| 08:44.27 | valdyn | dancek: why dangerous? |
| 08:44.32 | Nighteye | investigating |
| 08:44.33 | valdyn | dancek: you test commands before you use them. |
| 08:44.36 | msshams | i need an anti DOS solution for my server. like script, modules and ... please help me. |
| 08:44.52 | valdyn | dancek: but locking yourself out is always dangerous, naturally |
| 08:45.02 | dutchfish | msshams, ratelimiting? |
| 08:45.12 | valdyn | dancek: there always has to be a "let yourself in again" code that has to run and can theoretically fail |
| 08:46.03 | msshams | denial of service protection |
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| 08:46.24 | valdyn | msshams: thats not generally possible |
| 08:46.37 | msshams | valdyn: why? |
| 08:46.37 | dancek | valdyn, alternately there could be a code that actively doesn't let me in for a certain time, though I don't think that would be possible without root |
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| 08:46.41 | valdyn | msshams: everything can be DOSed in theory and there'S not catch-all protection |
| 08:46.59 | dancek | hm, gotta go for a while, bbl |
| 08:47.11 | dutchfish | msshams, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 and fail2ban as a start, you want to delve into this before actually implementing such things |
| 08:47.19 | valdyn | dancek: thats a different mental idea, but its still just code that can fail |
| 08:47.19 | msshams | valdyn: so how can i protect my server from this attacks? |
| 08:47.28 | valdyn | dancek: it has the precise same danger |
| 08:47.36 | valdyn | msshams: you cant. |
| 08:47.40 | Deezire | Do you get any performance impact when running with a large /etc/hosts.deny-file? |
| 08:48.02 | valdyn | msshams: a DOS is a rough type of attack, its not a specific attack |
| 08:48.12 | dutchfish | msshams, what kind of services are you running? |
| 08:48.41 | msshams | dutchfish: vsftp, apache2, mysql with php |
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| 08:49.04 | msshams | dutchfish: apache2 with mod-ssl mod-cgi and mod-evasive |
| 08:49.14 | valdyn | msshams: the largest sites in existance have been dosed, that should tell you something |
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| 08:50.23 | dutchfish | msshams, this is awfull hard to protect, but there are things you can do |
| 08:51.11 | dutchfish | msshams, delve into ratelimiting common security practises and look at your switch level |
| 08:51.12 | valdyn | like not posting his site on slashdot |
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| 08:51.51 | valdyn | !connlimit |
| 08:51.53 | valdyn | mm |
| 08:52.21 | dutchfish | msshams, you might consider a firewall also that goes in front |
| 08:52.46 | msshams | dutchfish: hardware firewall? |
| 08:52.54 | dutchfish | msshams, failover systems and high availability is another subject |
| 08:53.05 | dutchfish | msshams, asic based yes |
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| 08:53.37 | jengelh | limits valdyn |
| 08:54.01 | valdyn | nah , i was looking for a factoid to the iptables connlimit module |
| 08:54.11 | dutchfish | msshams, it boils down to this, there is no single thing that is safe, its a package of well thought consideration that makes/brakes a solution |
| 08:54.21 | valdyn | but this whole idea is silly considering a single korea home user can probably dos his small pipe, i dont know |
| 08:54.22 | jengelh | valdyn: like? |
| 08:54.29 | jengelh | so block korea? |
| 08:54.40 | valdyn | haha |
| 08:54.43 | valdyn | and japan |
| 08:54.47 | jengelh | it's just a -m geoip --src-cc KR away |
| 08:55.02 | valdyn | and universities |
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| 08:55.16 | jengelh | north korea or south korea? |
| 08:55.17 | valdyn | and every private person that could have a huge pipe |
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| 08:55.26 | valdyn | jengelh: south |
| 08:55.32 | galataranator | i have a huge pipe |
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| 08:55.56 | galataranator | but lets not talk about private pipes |
| 08:56.03 | galataranator | lets talk about what really matters |
| 08:56.09 | galataranator | linux and beer |
| 08:56.41 | dutchfish | what about common sense? |
| 08:56.56 | dutchfish | !coffee galataranator |
| 08:56.56 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for galataranator, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 08:56.57 | jengelh | what about disconnecting stupid people who let their windows boxes get zombified? |
| 08:57.06 | galataranator | dutchfish: common sense is a byproduct which comes from drinking beer |
| 08:57.15 | valdyn | jengelh: ok thats half the internet, that should be easy |
| 08:57.17 | galataranator | ;-) |
| 08:57.23 | dutchfish | :) |
| 08:57.34 | jengelh | valdyn: like, 128.0.0.0/1 I suppose? :) |
| 08:57.47 | simonrvn | nonsense is a direct product of drinking beer |
| 08:58.18 | galataranator | simonrvn: damnit ... and i haven't even drank any beer today ;-) |
| 08:58.29 | jengelh | who would have thought that there are 423 ip ranges for south korea |
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| 08:58.43 | jengelh | and exactly 1 for north |
| 08:59.12 | valdyn | jengelh: the worldwide best connected country vs the worldwide worst connected country? |
| 08:59.15 | dutchfish | jengelh, maybe the gaming industry is booming there? |
| 08:59.22 | vraa | how do i browse an afp share? |
| 08:59.23 | simonrvn | raises his hand "though i wouldn't guessed 1 for n. korea" |
| 08:59.33 | jengelh | valdyn: the US is not the best connected country :-/ |
| 08:59.36 | simonrvn | vraa: in linux? you don't |
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| 08:59.53 | vraa | i see, lol |
| 08:59.53 | valdyn | jengelh: depends on what you talk about exactly i think |
| 08:59.58 | jengelh | valdyn: number of ip ranges per country |
| 09:00.00 | simonrvn | vraa: there was a oooold patch for 2.2 to do that, but it hasn't been ported |
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| 09:00.02 | vraa | what is the preferred vnc client? |
| 09:00.04 | simonrvn | an* |
| 09:00.11 | vraa | nah no sweat, i'll just turn on the smb on the imac |
| 09:00.12 | valdyn | jengelh: usa certainly has the most addresses |
| 09:00.21 | vraa | what is the preferred vnc client to use? |
| 09:00.35 | jengelh | vraa: no preference. |
| 09:00.38 | jengelh | use whatever works |
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| 09:02.30 | dutchfish | wasnt afp not in netatalk apropos? |
| 09:03.18 | simonrvn | afpd yes |
| 09:03.52 | simonrvn | that isn't an apropos use of apropos ;) |
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| 09:04.00 | zlinux | hi |
| 09:04.11 | zlinux | what's the default ftp server for debian that comes with the system? |
| 09:04.34 | dutchfish | zlinux, there is no default but i recommend vsftpd |
| 09:04.35 | SlayerXP | zlinux: none, there's several, you should pick the one that suits your needs best |
| 09:04.40 | SlayerXP | and not wu-ftpd |
| 09:04.42 | simonrvn | zlinux: there is none |
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| 09:04.55 | zlinux | dutchfish, how easy for newbies vsftpd compared to others like proftpd? |
| 09:04.59 | simonrvn | vs or pure |
| 09:05.21 | simonrvn | (best would be using sftp *hint* *hint*) |
| 09:05.34 | dutchfish | zlinux, easy it has excellent manpages and doc |
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| 09:05.56 | dutchfish | zlinux, i like its clean code |
| 09:06.09 | dutchfish | simonrvn, yep |
| 09:06.42 | zlinux | thanks alot dutchfish and simonrvn |
| 09:06.51 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 09:13.25 | dutchfish | still trying to get to bugs.debian.org its a nogo atm (want to file gcc bug) |
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| 09:13.40 | jengelh | server's out on holiday |
| 09:13.52 | utrrrongeeb | Is it usual to have problems with the Etch installer? |
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| 09:13.54 | dutchfish | strange |
| 09:14.08 | slxix | utrrrongeeb: i would assume not. |
| 09:14.15 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, its not mature yes |
| 09:14.34 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, sorry , i meant lenny |
| 09:15.12 | dutchfish | bugs.debian.org is back |
| 09:15.18 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: For some reason or other, grub didn't get installed. |
| 09:16.57 | vraa | can i play .mkv's on debian? |
| 09:16.59 | slxix | what happens when you reboot? |
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| 09:17.49 | slxix | vraa: apt-cache search mkv |
| 09:18.16 | vraa | i install mkvtoolnix |
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| 09:19.27 | slxix | vraa: install now? or mkvtoolnix not working for you? |
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| 09:20.51 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: I got it working. I'm just disappointed that it took work which requires some experience. |
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| 09:21.55 | slxix | utrrrongeeb: what went wrong? |
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| 09:22.52 | vraa | i installed vlc, maybe my mkv file itself is bad |
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| 09:24.09 | valdyn | vraa: use mplayer |
| 09:24.19 | Coke | Any good sites out there with info on kernel compability with motherboards? |
| 09:25.12 | valdyn | vraa: probably need the one from debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:25.22 | vraa | installig now |
| 09:25.26 | vraa | thanks! |
| 09:25.31 | valdyn | vraa: mkv is free but the codecs usually in those ( vc-1 or x264 ) arent really |
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| 09:26.33 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: In the bootloader step, GRUB just didn't get installed. Same with LILO. (time passed, and several reinstalls). Then I went to a shell (or rather, VT2), copied grub_[someversion].deb from the CD into /target/root, chrooted and dpkg -i'd it. I reran the bootloader step. A few hundred packages, mostly desktop, etc., got installed. /Then/ the bootloader install went as normal. First... |
| 09:26.35 | utrrrongeeb | ...impressions of the install were positive (my other Etch system is an upgrade). However, I couldn't have fixed this if this had occurred when I first installed Debian. |
| 09:28.35 | valdyn | vraa: either way i havent seen an mkv yet that i could not play with debian-multimedia.org's mplayer, and im not using w32codecs |
| 09:28.36 | jim | I'm wondering if you'd be willing to repeat the install |
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| 09:29.11 | dutchfish | Coke, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 09:29.22 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: which debian installer did you use? |
| 09:29.52 | jim | plus what kernel did you end up with |
| 09:30.38 | jim | heeee's mellllltiiiing.... |
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| 09:31.34 | INternat | Howdy all.. Im playing arround with hotkeys (the application) and whilst i can see its easy to bind a key to an application, i cant see any information about binding a key to another key.. suggetsions? |
| 09:31.39 | Coke | dutchfish: I cannot do an lspci on hardware I have not bought yet. :) |
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| 09:32.09 | dutchfish | Coke, then you can manually browse its database ;) not convenient but alas |
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| 09:32.36 | akatsuki | wazaaaa |
| 09:32.36 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn, jim: The CD was Debian Etch 4.0r3 Xfce CD1. The kernel was... 2.6 i686? I wasn't sure whether that was the same as 2.6.18-6-i686... |
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| 09:32.58 | ak5 | hello - I was wondering if anyone has experienced something similar: My Network connection (ethernet) works perfectly for about 5 minutes, then pings out - If I reboot it works again for while, and so on |
| 09:33.02 | akatsuki | wazzzup |
| 09:33.06 | akatsuki | how is everyone doing |
| 09:33.45 | akatsuki | suppppp |
| 09:34.43 | utrrrongeeb | jim: I probably will need to install again, as I'm planning on upgrading the HD. |
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| 09:35.45 | akatsuki | hello friends one question.. does gnome uses |
| 09:35.48 | akatsuki | metacity |
| 09:35.49 | akatsuki | ? |
| 09:35.52 | akatsuki | by default? |
| 09:36.09 | utrrrongeeb | akatsuki: yes |
| 09:36.12 | SlayerXP | akatsuki: press return less. |
| 09:36.20 | akatsuki | jejejejeje ok |
| 09:36.24 | JyZyXEL | moar |
| 09:36.25 | akatsuki | sorry |
| 09:36.44 | akatsuki | i love ubuntu and debian |
| 09:36.47 | akatsuki | loving brothers:) |
| 09:36.51 | slxix | !dpkg enter |
| 09:36.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 09:36.53 | JyZyXEL | no |
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| 09:37.19 | JyZyXEL | Debian has nothing to do with that Ubuntu crap |
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| 09:37.26 | akatsuki | :( |
| 09:37.31 | akatsuki | i like both |
| 09:37.42 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 09:37.42 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:37.42 | akatsuki | like little loving brothers jiji |
| 09:38.11 | JyZyXEL | absolutely not |
| 09:38.18 | utrrrongeeb | slxix, jim: Any possible reason for the installer trouble? |
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| 09:38.46 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, special partition layout? |
| 09:39.15 | akatsuki | well.. i use debian on my hp laptop.. ubuntu on my macbook pro and xandros on my asus eee :) |
| 09:39.16 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: /dev/hdb1=ext3, / That's all. |
| 09:39.19 | akatsuki | 3 loving brothers |
| 09:39.44 | slxix | utrrrongeeb: all i've gathered is that it didn't run. is the error reproducable? |
| 09:39.48 | JyZyXEL | akatsuki i'd use Debian on all of them |
| 09:40.06 | akatsuki | asus eee?? |
| 09:40.08 | akatsuki | really? |
| 09:40.28 | JyZyXEL | why not |
| 09:40.44 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, bios ? |
| 09:40.47 | akatsuki | well asus eee is a lil hw |
| 09:41.03 | akatsuki | xandros its more optimal distro for asus eee i guess |
| 09:41.05 | akatsuki | im not sure |
| 09:41.13 | akatsuki | maybe debian will suck the 512 ram |
| 09:41.19 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: It appeared to me that the problem was that GRUB didn't get installed by the time the bootloader step came around. When I installed GRUB manually, the bootloader step caused hundreds of packages not installed earlier to be installed, before the bootloader was installed (which worked now). |
| 09:41.25 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: Phoenix. |
| 09:41.26 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't if you don't make it |
| 09:41.30 | jelly | akatsuki: but debian/rules |
| 09:41.38 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: I think I can reproduce it on that computer. |
| 09:41.47 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, was this a netinstall? |
| 09:42.22 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: 1 Xfce CD. |
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| 09:42.57 | akatsuki | i know jelly but i like.. actually i dont have ubuntu i have xubuntu |
| 09:43.00 | akatsuki | xfce rules |
| 09:43.18 | jelly | looks to see whether he's in the right channel |
| 09:43.59 | Iradieh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kxDxLAjkO8&eurl=http://www.tuaw.com/ |
| 09:43.59 | jelly | akatsuki: xfce has a number of memory leaks in versions up to 4.4.2, you might be triggering them |
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| 09:44.15 | jelly | ... I meant, up to and including |
| 09:44.23 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: I ran the installer multiple times before manually getting GRUB. Same thing (bootloader step failed) happened each time I used the text installer. The GUI installer seemed to crash--maybe out of memory? |
| 09:44.35 | ribasushi | wants to ask a naive question, NO FLAMING! |
| 09:44.38 | jelly | akatsuki: I restart my xfdesktop process every time it reaches 240MB VSZ |
| 09:44.43 | jelly | !tell ribasushi -about ask |
| 09:44.49 | ribasushi | why is Debian not listed here? http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions |
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| 09:45.19 | carbon_monoxide | greetings all |
| 09:45.28 | akatsuki | really? |
| 09:45.43 | akatsuki | i not having problems yet |
| 09:46.12 | slxix | ribasushi: because debian isn't an "other", it the one. ? :) |
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| 09:46.43 | jelly | akatsuki: not all people see it. xfdesktop and the menu panel plugin leak in certain circumstances |
| 09:47.00 | carbon_monoxide | is Debian Etch AMD64 distro able to run 32-bit binary and install 32-bit deb packages? this may sounds to be a stupid question. but i can't understand the description on debian site. |
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| 09:47.22 | jelly | carbon_monoxide: yes to the former, no to the latter part |
| 09:47.29 | ribasushi | carbon_monoxide: not without jumping through some serious hoops |
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| 09:47.45 | akatsuki | yesterday i try sabayon. omg its crap lol |
| 09:47.50 | akatsuki | i dont like gentoo |
| 09:47.53 | carbon_monoxide | jelly: maybe I'm not that smart. your answer confuses me |
| 09:47.54 | ribasushi | carbon_monoxide: to this day there is no distro that provides seamless multiarch :( |
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| 09:48.20 | jelly | carbon_monoxide: Debian doesn't have proper multiarch support; you can't just install i386 packages. You can set up a i386 chroot and run your apps in there |
| 09:49.21 | carbon_monoxide | jelly: everything is clear now |
| 09:49.28 | carbon_monoxide | thanks all! |
| 09:49.37 | ribasushi | carbon_monoxide: yet to warn you - the chroot approach is a bloody hack, if you do not need 64 due to memory requirements or for developemnt purposes, save yourself a hassle and stay 32bit |
| 09:49.51 | akatsuki | and i have yellow dog on my ps3.. i dont have idea what is yellow dog based on |
| 09:49.58 | maligor | ribasushi, or more bits! |
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| 09:50.31 | ribasushi | maligor: I think "due to memory requirements" says it all :) |
| 09:50.39 | maligor | most software compile fine for 64bit by now |
| 09:50.59 | simonrvn | akatsuki: /topic #debianppc |
| 09:50.59 | maligor | problems only are with Certain Browser Plugins if you ask me |
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| 09:51.19 | ribasushi | maligor: CBP are a must for a desktop system if you ask me :) |
| 09:51.21 | maligor | swfdec is nearly there tho, and it's what I'm using |
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| 09:51.47 | ribasushi | maligor: so are Certain PDF Readers and Certain Voice Communication Apps |
| 09:51.48 | carbon_monoxide | ribasushi: Linux app and software development should move on |
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| 09:52.03 | maligor | ribasushi, who the bugger uses adobe reader in linux? |
| 09:52.06 | maligor | or even in windows |
| 09:52.10 | maligor | bloody piece of crud |
| 09:52.16 | ak5 | maligor, sadly many |
| 09:52.17 | JyZyXEL | haha yea |
| 09:52.22 | JyZyXEL | who would use that shit |
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| 09:52.28 | jim | utrrrongeeb: reason I ask if you're willing to reinstall, is it would be helpful to get as many details as possible if this is more than an isolated incident |
| 09:52.44 | ribasushi | carbon_monoxide: of course, but not at my expense, I fought the chroot war for 4 months, enough is enough |
| 09:52.47 | jelly | uses both acroread and skype |
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| 09:52.53 | jim | could you also run memtest86 for awhile |
| 09:53.04 | simonrvn | !lart jelly |
| 09:53.04 | dpkg | sends a legion of lawyers after jelly's head |
| 09:53.15 | ak5 | jim, you mean me? |
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| 09:53.24 | slxix | utrrrongeeb: what kind of computer is it? |
| 09:53.25 | ribasushi | maligor: people who generate complex PDFs and need to see how they look on a real viewer at the customer |
| 09:53.45 | ribasushi | maligor: and people who want to fill their taxes in PDF with all the JS bells and whistles |
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| 09:53.57 | dutchfish | jim, utrrrongeeb there are reports out there with simulair issues mainly focused on mbr installs of grub with xfce debian disto, i dont know if its related |
| 09:54.07 | utrrrongeeb | slxix: PII w/ 96MB RAM. The install was on a 2GB HD, but I'll probably reinstall on a 30GB. |
| 09:54.11 | jelly | ribasushi: what if the customer uses Foxit ;-) |
| 09:54.14 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: Sounds like what I did. ;-) |
| 09:54.26 | carbon_monoxide | probably the major group of Linux software developers are still using Pentium II |
| 09:54.39 | ribasushi | jelly: if the PDF looks crappy - he should file a bug report with Foxit |
| 09:54.39 | utrrrongeeb | jim: Yes, I can provide more details, and I probably will reinstall. |
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| 09:55.09 | simonrvn | here we go again with the spambots... |
| 09:55.14 | ribasushi | jelly: luckly there is only one point of reference for PDF unlike the IE/FF/Whatnot crap |
| 09:55.15 | maligor | ribasushi, I couldn't say about the js bells and whistles |
| 09:55.18 | jim | bomspats! |
| 09:55.25 | liable | heh, i was just going to comment on NaughtGirl being a spambot when it gets klined |
| 09:55.26 | maligor | ribasushi, evince works for standard fillable forms now |
| 09:55.47 | slxix | dutchfish: where did you find those reports? |
| 09:55.48 | jelly | liable: I can't believe it's NaughtGirl! |
| 09:55.52 | ribasushi | maligor: that's nice. good for them |
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| 09:56.05 | ribasushi | maligor: I refuse to use gnome bloat though |
| 09:56.15 | liable | jelly: you should in a linux channel ;) |
| 09:56.29 | ribasushi | maligor: it currently takes about 50MB of library deps just to run a stupid terminal. Thanks but no thanks :) |
| 09:56.41 | jelly | liable: ... need to convert our DBA to Linux. |
| 09:56.44 | carbon_monoxide | have a nice day, all! |
| 09:56.48 | simonrvn | there's an evince-gtk... |
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| 09:56.50 | maligor | ribasushi, adobe reader is 50mb packed |
| 09:56.54 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, google on error 15 grub (broken mbr) |
| 09:57.09 | liable | maligor: and a pice of shit to boot :) |
| 09:57.26 | maligor | yes, beats me how they manage to make a pdf reader that big |
| 09:57.30 | maligor | it's an achievement |
| 09:57.31 | ribasushi | maligor: it's a closed source binary, there its understandable. FOSS bloat? - verboten |
| 09:57.42 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, last q what os where already installed? |
| 09:57.43 | CoolCold_ | offtopic, but, mb someone knows e1000 driver for intel ethernet cards channel? |
| 09:57.49 | CoolCold_ | tryed #e1000 but no luck |
| 09:58.00 | jelly | CoolCold_: what do you need a channel for? |
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| 09:58.05 | simonrvn | why did you do that? |
| 09:58.06 | ribasushi | CoolCold_: #kernel would be your best bet |
| 09:58.13 | akatsuki | hi again |
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| 09:58.21 | the-dude | CoolCold_: whats wrong with your card? |
| 09:58.23 | ribasushi | CoolCold_: lkml is even better |
| 09:58.30 | jelly | or linux-net |
| 09:58.42 | liable | CoolCold_: whats the problem? |
| 09:58.57 | liable | if its a firmware error, its well known |
| 09:59.08 | maligor | ribasushi, unless you want to re-invent the wheel a million times, code-reuse is useful |
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| 09:59.31 | ribasushi | maligor: that's exactly my grind with gnome |
| 09:59.56 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: Previous failed Etch installs. Before that, DSL with LILO. Windows 98 is on the other partition. (this is not a primary computer.) |
| 09:59.59 | simonrvn | sparr is a real person, unless they're already here |
| 09:59.59 | ribasushi | you are expected to use their excuse for a GUI with any of their apps |
| 10:00.00 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, i am intrested in this because i had simulair things with grub on dell xps 210, had to flip a switch in bios for sata to set it for legacy support, then things went fine |
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| 10:00.50 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, ok, so no vista mess |
| 10:01.07 | simonrvn | "similar" |
| 10:01.18 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: I think this is different--GRUB didn't get installed before it tried to run GRUB. After manually installing GRUB, hundreds of packages were installed that should have been installed sooner. |
| 10:01.21 | msshams | when i try to install mod-security2-common it say this package depends on libapache2-mod-security2 / next when i try install libapache2-mod-security2 it say this package depends on mod-security2-common. tell me how can i fix this prob? |
| 10:01.52 | jim | so I was on #hardware when ak5 came in with a problem, he installed from netinstall 4.0r3 and says while his net lasted thru the install process it only lasts 5 mins before it stops working (interface is up, pinging the router fails, and so does bringing the interface down then up, trying to refresh the dhcp, only DHCPDISCOVERS) |
| 10:01.56 | idimmu | ribasushi: ram is cheap and that 50mb of libs means all the gnome apps DONT have to reinvent the wheel/gui because they're reusing libs .. |
| 10:02.06 | jim | ak5: so you're here? |
| 10:02.09 | msshams | help me please |
| 10:02.13 | ak5 | jim, yes sit |
| 10:02.16 | ak5 | *sir |
| 10:02.22 | simonrvn | msshams: well, the binary should pull in the common package, so that's a bug, but otherwise i don't see much problem |
| 10:02.32 | jim | could someone look into this with ak5 |
| 10:02.44 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, mmm you are right |
| 10:02.51 | simonrvn | msshams: you *can* install more than one package, you know. do that to get around it |
| 10:02.53 | idimmu | also im not sure if you're confusing desktop environment with gui :/ |
| 10:03.00 | ribasushi | idimmu: yes but they reinvented the wheel in the first place by providing a separate copy of these 50mb, which I don't even like. So no gnome for me if there is an alternative. Freedom of choice you know :) |
| 10:03.18 | msshams | simonrvn: now, how can i install lib-apache2-mod-security? |
| 10:03.25 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, sata disk? |
| 10:03.28 | idimmu | and, obviously, freedom to rant |
| 10:03.34 | idimmu | also at the time there was no choice |
| 10:03.38 | idimmu | qt wasnt 'free' |
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| 10:03.47 | simonrvn | hence gnome |
| 10:03.52 | idimmu | indeed |
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| 10:04.21 | idimmu | im more just correcting you than arguing :) |
| 10:04.57 | maligor | qt4.4 is pretty cute tho, three lines for a webbrowser |
| 10:04.57 | ribasushi | we are saying the same thing, just have different priorities it seems |
| 10:05.01 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: 2 GB IDE. |
| 10:05.05 | maligor | but it's not exactly elegantly small either |
| 10:05.19 | simonrvn | maligor: very bloated, imo :/ |
| 10:05.23 | ribasushi | maligor: at least it looks eye-pleasing |
| 10:05.36 | simonrvn | not very useful though |
| 10:05.42 | maligor | ribasushi, heh, now that is trolling |
| 10:05.55 | jim | dutchfish: did you find the grub package was unpacked but not configured? |
| 10:06.04 | ribasushi | nope, as I said above my first problem with gnome is that it looks ugly |
| 10:06.13 | simonrvn | msshams: i'm not getting you |
| 10:06.14 | ribasushi | thus the 50mb of libs turn into crap |
| 10:06.15 | ribasushi | :) |
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| 10:06.41 | maligor | I don't see any difference between qt and gnome 'looks' |
| 10:06.47 | idimmu | yeah, itd be really nice if you could theme gnome |
| 10:06.48 | jim | he says he'll be back |
| 10:06.49 | dutchfish | jim, no, in my case on the xps 210 the installer could get to even access the disk to install grub |
| 10:06.51 | idimmu | or skin it in some way |
| 10:06.56 | idimmu | to make it pretty |
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| 10:07.04 | jelly | idimmu: ... but you can |
| 10:07.09 | jim | so it coulhnd't install any package? |
| 10:07.13 | idimmu | maybe get some of those flashy transparent affects that apple have .. |
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| 10:07.22 | idimmu | omg jelly really?????????? ;) |
| 10:07.27 | jim | it couldn't get the install udeba?? |
| 10:07.32 | dutchfish | jim, in my case yes, not for utrrrongeeb if i understand him correctly |
| 10:08.02 | jelly | idimmu: my sarcasm detector is flaky |
| 10:08.06 | idimmu | hehe |
| 10:08.17 | jim | dutchfish: so it sounds like you didn't get much further than the boot: prompt |
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| 10:08.34 | woden | How do I tell what video driver is running on my system? |
| 10:08.38 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: jelly liable problem is here http://paste.org.ru/?4x4lzi |
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| 10:09.12 | jim | woden: you can look at your x server config |
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| 10:09.30 | dutchfish | jim, i could solve it to flip (temporary) a switch in the bios for sata to legacy mode, everything went fine then. But this is not the same as the problem utrrrongeeb has. |
| 10:09.30 | jelly | CoolCold_: like a see-saw, it goes up and down and up...! Tried a newer kernel yet? |
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| 10:09.38 | woden1 | jim: I don't see it. Here's my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/2673 |
| 10:09.43 | liable | CoolCold_: hrm, either your card is dying, or your router is dying, or a combination of the two |
| 10:09.49 | utrrrongeeb | jim, dutchfish, sxlix: Thanks for listening, but I have to leave the channel. |
| 10:09.59 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, good luck |
| 10:10.26 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: I got around it. I'm just disappointed the problem was there. |
| 10:10.37 | jelly | liable: or the driver in 2.6.18 doesn't handle his newer e1000 card well |
| 10:10.39 | CoolCold_ | liable: reboot helped me |
| 10:10.51 | CoolCold_ | and the 2nd interface, the same card was alive |
| 10:10.55 | liable | jelly: i still get firmware error in 24 |
| 10:11.10 | phil0u | hello, my Debian server from 2000 is still up & kicking, never reinstalled :) still more and more apps fail to install because the system don't use shadow passwords. How can i simply enable the use of shadow passwords ? Thanks |
| 10:11.12 | the-dude | CoolCold_: which kernel? |
| 10:11.19 | mhymn | woden1: perhaps you need to configure your xorg |
| 10:11.33 | jelly | phil0u: dpkg-reconfigure passwd, perhaps |
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| 10:11.38 | CoolCold_ | Linux version 2.6.22-4-amd64 (Debian 2.6.22-6~bpo40+2) (nobse@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 10:29:27 UTC 2008 |
| 10:11.39 | the-dude | phil0u: dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:12.00 | jelly | the-dude: he'll need to upgrade to sarge first, then to current stable |
| 10:12.01 | CoolCold_ | version: 7.3.20-k2-NAPI |
| 10:12.02 | woden1 | mhymn: I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it doesn't change anything. |
| 10:12.24 | phil0u | the-dude: well, it's being done right now :) , but i was afraid that i had to do that first so that dist-upgrade won't fail |
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| 10:12.38 | the-dude | jelly: I have good experiance with dist-upgrades in the past :) |
| 10:12.39 | woden1 | mhymn: the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg quits right before it's supposed to ask for mouse configuration... |
| 10:12.57 | the-dude | CoolCold_: we are using the same nic's |
| 10:13.11 | jelly | the-dude: skipping releases on upgrades is NOT supported |
| 10:13.17 | idimmu | phil0u: is your box fully patched? ;) |
| 10:13.27 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: err, really? |
| 10:13.31 | the-dude | jelly: perhaps not supported but it owkrs .... |
| 10:13.33 | phil0u | the-dude, jelly: Thx, i'll let the dist-upgrade finish then , and i'll see right after |
| 10:13.50 | jelly | the-dude: no, it doesn't (as you can see) |
| 10:13.51 | the-dude | phil0u: try a apt-get dist-upgrade -d -s to see what is going to happen |
| 10:14.02 | mhymn | woden1: what version of debian do you use? |
| 10:14.02 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: mine are 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB DPT LAN Controller Copper (rev 01) |
| 10:14.24 | woden1 | mhymn: This is a clean install of Lenny, from the beta1 net-install ISO |
| 10:14.29 | the-dude | CoolCold_: are you using auto negoiate at your switches? |
| 10:14.34 | jelly | the-dude: it works if you're really lucky, and you end up with more cruft (and possibly missing important packages) than you would if you did it properly |
| 10:14.35 | phil0u | idimmu: well... :) not so bad, i'd say bit lagging though, i'm hitting ntpd and old kernel bug, so i have som incentive to upgrade :) |
| 10:14.56 | idimmu | heh |
| 10:15.12 | dutchfish | the-dude, i used auto on my switches too, with no problems with e1000 |
| 10:15.18 | CoolCold_ | http://paste.org.ru/?wh9rdf |
| 10:15.23 | CoolCold_ | brb in 20 minutes |
| 10:15.27 | the-dude | jelly: sometimes I use a old patato or woody cd because I am to lazy to find a new release |
| 10:15.50 | the-dude | dutchfish: we had some problems with our sicko switches so we forced them |
| 10:16.07 | jelly | phil0u: if you're trying to do a dist upgrade from the 2000 installation (woody? _potato_?) to current stable, that's not supported and may fail in unique ways |
| 10:16.07 | dutchfish | the-dude, what switches if i may ask? |
| 10:16.51 | jelly | the-dude: it might work. Don't suggest it to other people. |
| 10:16.52 | the-dude | dutchfish: cisco switches |
| 10:17.10 | phil0u | jelly: well, no, sorry i was misleading. The server install is from 2000, dist-upgraded through the years until now, it's been running SID from the beginning |
| 10:17.16 | dutchfish | the-dude, mmm i run those too but no problem |
| 10:17.20 | jelly | the-dude: using an old installer is ok if you dist-upgrade in steps |
| 10:17.43 | the-dude | jelly: I know cause I did it in the past... |
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| 10:17.52 | jelly | phil0u: oh, I suppose you know what you're doing then |
| 10:18.02 | phil0u | jelly: but still i have some things that break due to old packages still around or else |
| 10:18.06 | the-dude | dutchfish: perhaps the old one's were shitty there pretty old, 8 years or so |
| 10:18.09 | woden1 | Is there a different channel for Lenny support? |
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| 10:18.49 | dutchfish | the-dude, the only problem i had with e1000 was on 2.6.17 kernels after that everything went smooth apart from some minor xen issues |
| 10:19.11 | mhymn | woden1: afaik nope, try this one: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
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| 10:19.42 | woden1 | mhymn: I tried that one already. It does the same thing. |
| 10:19.47 | the-dude | dutchfish: perhaps it is outdated I will check tomorrow if I think of it *g* |
| 10:20.00 | dutchfish | the-dude, too old ios ? |
| 10:20.33 | jelly | phil0u: a cleanup using debfoster might be useful |
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| 10:21.12 | the-dude | dutchfish: dunno, there not really important anymore, they are not being used for production stuff |
| 10:21.23 | dutchfish | the-dude, k |
| 10:21.27 | woden1 | mhymn: It quits back to the terminal right before it would ask to configure the mouse. |
| 10:21.33 | phil0u | jelly: ha! nice , thx wasn't aware of that one |
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| 10:22.21 | mhymn | woden1: so what is the problem with this config? |
| 10:22.29 | jelly | phil0u: it removes all packages except those you tell it not to... unfortunately it didn't play well with aptitude last time I used it; maybe it's fixed now |
| 10:23.11 | phil0u | jelly: never used aptitude though, so it shouldn't matter :) Thx, i'll have a look |
| 10:23.35 | woden1 | mhymn: I don't know if there is a problem with this config. It looks to be missing some stuff, but maybe that is just how X.org works now? My main question was that I want to know what video driver is currently running on my system. |
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| 10:26.44 | s-andy | hi! I'm using dante socks server and see that it is very buggy one... :( what is the best alternative? |
| 10:28.15 | mhymn | woden1: do you have all essential xserver-xorg-video-* packages installed? like "xserver-xorg-video-nv" |
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| 10:30.12 | dutchfish | s-andy, depends, socks4-server, proxychains ? |
| 10:30.13 | woden1 | mhymn: Yes, I just did apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video-* and a ton of results came up, including vesa and nv. |
| 10:31.14 | s-andy | dutchfish: proxychains seems to be a proxifier only (not a socks server) |
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| 10:31.25 | dutchfish | s-andy, yep |
| 10:32.01 | dutchfish | s-andy, hpsockd maybe |
| 10:32.07 | s-andy | dutchfish: does socks4-server supports SOCKS5? |
| 10:32.12 | Bushmills | woden1: which driver is used it says in the log file. Xorg.0.log for example |
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| 10:32.47 | s-andy | dutchfish: I can see available socks servers... but I need some recommendation which is best |
| 10:33.00 | woden1 | Bushmills: Says LoadModule: "vesa" in my Xorg.0.log. So I guess it's using vesa? |
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| 10:33.41 | s-andy | dutchfish: did you use hpsockd or socks4-server? |
| 10:33.45 | dutchfish | s-andy, do you have a need for socls5? |
| 10:33.47 | Bushmills | followed by some (II) about driver initialization? |
| 10:33.50 | s-andy | dutchfish: yes |
| 10:33.51 | jim | clinton must have been listening to the chatter and wondering "why the hell are they talking about my cat?!" |
| 10:33.56 | msshams | i install apf. but we can't find /etc/apf/ad/conf.antidos !! please help me |
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| 10:34.22 | s-andy | dutchfish: oh... actually I don't need exactly socks5... but it would be great if it was available |
| 10:34.23 | Selveste1 | Im new to db - how do I update the kernel ? |
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| 10:34.29 | dutchfish | s-andy, maybe try freebsd |
| 10:34.30 | jim | how did you install apf |
| 10:34.59 | woden1 | Bushmills: yes. |
| 10:35.14 | msshams | jim: install manually by http://www.rfxnetworks.com/downloads/apf-current.tar.gz |
| 10:35.29 | msshams | jim: from shell source |
| 10:35.29 | woden1 | Bushmills: So next question. How do I make it so that my system uses the nv driver instead of the vesa driver? |
| 10:35.56 | Bushmills | woden1: vesa, then. that should correspond with what has been configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:36.30 | woden1 | Bushmills: What do you mean by correspond? |
| 10:36.38 | Bushmills | "being the same" |
| 10:36.45 | woden1 | Bushmills: Do you mean that, my xorg.conf looks correct since I am running the vesa driver? |
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| 10:37.19 | Bushmills | bo. i mean, when your log says "vesa", and your config too, it is very likely that you actually run the vesa driver |
| 10:37.25 | msshams | jim: can you help me? |
| 10:37.26 | jim | msshams: places where your question could be answered in the order you should try them... all documention files in apf-current, try searchng, try the website where you got the tarball |
| 10:37.39 | woden1 | Bushmills: But my xorg.conf doesn't say anything about vesa. Here it is: http://paste.debian.net/2673 |
| 10:38.06 | msshams | jim: do you know a good firewall? |
| 10:38.23 | jim | what are you firewalling? |
| 10:38.42 | Bushmills | woden1: what distribution are you running? |
| 10:38.47 | msshams | jim: i want use firewall for dos protecting |
| 10:39.07 | woden1 | Bushmills: Debian GNU/Linux, version is Lenny. Just did a fresh install from the beta1 net-install ISO. |
| 10:39.36 | jim | one question you should seriously ask yourself, is: why are you being dosed? |
| 10:39.46 | jim | do you have a static IP? |
| 10:40.05 | jzu_ | woden1: shouldn't you run stable?:) |
| 10:40.07 | jim | do you go into places where hackers go too? can they see your IP when you go there? |
| 10:40.12 | jzu_ | woden1: is there a reason for running testing? |
| 10:40.28 | jim | did you get into any kind of argument with one? |
| 10:40.41 | Bushmills | woden1: put a new line into the "Device" section, which says Driver "nv" |
| 10:40.45 | woden1 | jzu_: The nv driver from stable probably doesn't support my video chipset. And I don't want to run vesa. |
| 10:40.49 | jim | ok, so that's three questions :) |
| 10:40.52 | Bushmills | and blame dexconf |
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| 10:41.08 | jim | probably? |
| 10:41.10 | msshams | jim: i have a web server with many web sites. that runs with apache2. apache2 is very very DOS vulnerability. for this reason. |
| 10:41.21 | woden1 | Bushmills: Can you comment as to why my xorg.conf is so empty? Is that normal? I'm running X.org 7.3. |
| 10:41.43 | jim | if apache2 is vulnerable to dos, why not use a different web server? |
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| 10:42.00 | msshams | jim: please |
| 10:42.15 | liable | what is apache vulnerable to dos for? |
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| 10:42.35 | jim | I dunno... I'm assuming he's found something specific |
| 10:42.38 | msshams | jim: only tell me can you recommend me a good firewall? with anti dos feature? |
| 10:42.45 | Bushmills | woden1: no, i find that unusual, but i don't kow about dexconf, or how x config is done nowadays. i think there is a trend towards specifying less in the config now to ease configuration, which could be reason. |
| 10:42.55 | jim | see, dos is not preventable... |
| 10:43.03 | idimmu | msshams: i think you've been misinformed |
| 10:43.36 | msshams | idimmu: my server dosed from morning to now |
| 10:43.42 | jim | look at it this way... if he dosses you using pings, the only thing you can do is change your response to pings |
| 10:43.46 | idimmu | contact your providor? |
| 10:43.47 | petemc | erm, denial of service can mean exploiting a bug in software to make a service not available, distributed denial of service is something else |
| 10:43.51 | idimmu | do you even know what dos attack you're under? |
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| 10:43.57 | msshams | idimmu: please tell me that how can i protect it? |
| 10:44.09 | msshams | idimmu: apache2 |
| 10:44.13 | woden1 | Bushmills: So, if there is a trend toward specifying less in the config now to ease configuration, then how would a user change the video driver from vesa to nv? There is no GUI that replaces this config file functionality. |
| 10:44.14 | idimmu | ok to protect it contact your ISP |
| 10:44.16 | zxd | aptitude and apt-get are frontends to dpkg? |
| 10:44.37 | zxd | when i issued aptitude purge , i see in process list , dpkg command |
| 10:44.46 | jim | you probably should call them anyway... because: you being dossed is them being dossed too |
| 10:44.59 | idimmu | yup |
| 10:45.04 | Bushmills | woden1: i can't tell you about "a user" but what i'd do. which is, adding a "Driver" line to "Device" section |
| 10:45.12 | mhymn | zxd: you're right |
| 10:45.22 | idimmu | if its a syn flood they might be able to stop it at the routers |
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| 10:46.06 | jim | and I know of at least one colo provider whowould confiscate equipment to pay for the expense of him taking care of probalems the customer attracts |
| 10:46.17 | msshams | idimmu: i use apache 1.3 with a rescue script that protected apache from dos attacks. but when i upgrade to apache2 that script doesn't work. i install mod_evasive module. but it can help in major attacks. please help me |
| 10:46.25 | woden1 | Bushmills: yes I did that and it works. But I still would like to know how a user is to be expected to know how to change video drivers, if the xorg.conf is empty. |
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| 10:46.51 | Bushmills | woden1: in fact, i'd add more, like colordepth, resolution etc. to your question how to know: by reading the manual. |
| 10:46.55 | idimmu | msshams: try talking to the apache developers perhaps? |
| 10:47.14 | jim | again, if apache 1.3 had this script that worked, why not use that? |
| 10:47.26 | jim | also, why not try to update the script so it works with 2? |
| 10:47.34 | woden1 | Bushmills: I disagree, this functionality should be replaced via a GUI applet. And add help file entries to explain what the options do. |
| 10:47.37 | msshams | idimmu: at all, apache is very DOS vulnerability. |
| 10:47.51 | Bushmills | woden1: "how a user is to be expected to know" i don't expect that he has genetic iprinting of knowledge how to change driver |
| 10:47.51 | petemc | msshams: you havent a clue what you're talking about |
| 10:47.57 | msshams | jim: because it is old... |
| 10:47.58 | Bushmills | imprinting |
| 10:48.02 | jim | and? |
| 10:48.12 | itchi | Hi, for my ipw3945 wifi card, i have setup it with iwl3945, my device is renamed from eth3 to wlan0_rename. If i look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules it's still correct and should be eth3. How can i fix this wlan0_rename issue? |
| 10:48.20 | woden1 | Bushmills: From what I understand, color depth and resolution are now all done automatically, no need to add it to the xorg.conf....that's what I was told yesterday. |
| 10:48.39 | idimmu | msshams: from what you're saying the new one doesnt sound that much better, infact it sounds worse! |
| 10:48.41 | Bushmills | woden1: a GUI applet? and what would user do when graphic mode doesn't start? |
| 10:48.41 | msshams | idimmu: do you work with apache? |
| 10:48.45 | idimmu | no |
| 10:48.49 | idimmu | well i use apache |
| 10:49.00 | idimmu | and maintain hundreds of servers that run apache |
| 10:49.07 | woden1 | Bushmills: The graphics mode would see the failure and switch to vesa mode (safe mode graphics) |
| 10:49.09 | idimmu | but im no apache dev |
| 10:49.20 | Bushmills | woden1: needing graphics in order to obtain info on how to configure graphics sounds stupid |
| 10:49.27 | dutchfish | mumbles something about mod_dosevasive20.c |
| 10:49.28 | msshams | idimmu: so, please tell me that how to protect those servers from dos attacks? |
| 10:49.41 | idimmu | go and contact your isp |
| 10:49.41 | jim | idimmu: am I telling him anything out of the ordinary or out of line? |
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| 10:49.49 | idimmu | no, you're fine he's just not listening |
| 10:49.52 | cahoot | itchi: so eth3 corresponds to iwl4365 in z25? |
| 10:49.57 | idimmu | i believe it's called "panicing" :) |
| 10:50.07 | Bushmills | woden1: it can switch to vesa only if vesa driver is present. i don't have vesa driver on my system, for example |
| 10:50.09 | cahoot | itchi: err 3945 |
| 10:50.13 | itchi | cahoot: yeah |
| 10:50.22 | itchi | cahoot: The mac is correct |
| 10:50.36 | itchi | cahoot: But i have a weird thing, wait i pastebin |
| 10:50.38 | woden1 | Bushmills: Did you uninstall it? Vesa comes in the default install of Debian. |
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| 10:50.57 | jim | idimmu: would you consider yourself an expert at maintaining apache servers at this point? |
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| 10:51.08 | Bushmills | woden1: depends what you call "default". there is not only one way to install debian |
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| 10:51.41 | Bushmills | woden1: there are installation without X at all. what would a vesa driver be good for on those? |
| 10:52.00 | idimmu | jim im sure there's stuff i don't know about apache, but i'm quietly confident :) |
| 10:52.13 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: so i guess auto-negotiation is on |
| 10:52.17 | Bushmills | woden1: just because you have chosen an installation which ciomes with X doesn't mean that the rest of the world will have that too |
| 10:52.22 | woden1 | Bushmills: I mean, just clicking "Next" wherever possible in the Debian installer. For example, "Desktop Environment" is checked by default on the installer, and the "Next" button is highlighted, so the user would just hit Enter on that screen, and X would be installed with the Vesa driver along with it. |
| 10:52.22 | jim | perhaps there's a way you can help him on a contract basis |
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| 10:52.33 | itchi | cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/1015628 device wlan1 and wlan0_rename are the same |
| 10:52.35 | the-dude | CoolCold_: you could try to force the media and see if that helps |
| 10:52.38 | woden1 | Bushmills: Then make vesa a dependency of the X installation.... |
| 10:52.42 | woden1 | anyway, gotta go back to work. |
| 10:53.02 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: the strange things are: there was no load on NIC at all, 2nd nic, plugged the same switch worked |
| 10:53.04 | Bushmills | woden1: only needing to click "next" creates an expectation in users which is "i don't need to learn about it" |
| 10:53.18 | itchi | cahoot: I don't find back both wlan interface in the udev config |
| 10:53.21 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: i dunno how to repeat this.. |
| 10:53.25 | the-dude | CoolCold_: and they are exactly the same? |
| 10:53.48 | Bushmills | woden1: but, because debian is free, you are also free to add such a dialog |
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| 10:54.03 | CoolCold_ | the-dude: yeah |
| 10:54.03 | CoolCold_ | 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB DPT LAN Controller Copper (rev 01) |
| 10:54.03 | CoolCold_ | 06:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB DPT LAN Controller Copper (rev 01) |
| 10:54.18 | cahoot | itchi: try move z25 out of the way to see what hapends? |
| 10:54.22 | idimmu | jim: heh ive just come off being on call for a week, i will be enjoying the glorious sunshine and beach life down here in my spare time until the next rotation :p |
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| 10:54.33 | CoolCold_ | so i guess this is #e1000 question, google didn't cleared the situation for me |
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| 10:55.06 | mbent | hello, when i try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't ask me for which driver i'd like to use or resolution setting etc... is there a way i can force it to ask me those questions? |
| 10:55.06 | jim | sheesh :) I'm just seeing if theres a way you can get -paid- for this :) |
| 10:55.09 | itchi | cahoot: z25? what's that? |
| 10:55.24 | liable | itchi: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 10:55.25 | jim | but I feel your pain and I say, party on... |
| 10:55.34 | itchi | ok |
| 10:55.40 | cahoot | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 10:55.45 | liable | itchi: its udevs persistant naming file for ifaces |
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| 10:56.02 | liable | itchi: hi btw |
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| 10:56.26 | itchi | liable: Oi! :-) |
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| 10:56.41 | cahoot | mbent: IIRC modern xorg figures it out by itself |
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| 10:57.07 | liable | you can just remove the file and reload modules (i find is the easiest solution in most cases) |
| 10:57.09 | itchi | cahoot: Should i remove udev as test? |
| 10:57.14 | cahoot | no no |
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| 10:57.44 | itchi | ah, cause my build in wire don't work anymore :-p |
| 10:57.44 | liable | udev will rebuild it with fresh iface stats |
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| 10:58.33 | itchi | liable: I mv that /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules ? If i break my net, i'm screwed :-) |
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| 10:59.03 | liable | itchi: fine, mv it, reload modules for your cards and restart netwroking |
| 10:59.32 | valdyn | itchi: and be confused when interfaces have different names on each reboot, possibly |
| 10:59.54 | liable | if he doesnt change cards, they shouldnt change |
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| 11:00.08 | valdyn | they can, at any time |
| 11:00.23 | liable | why? |
| 11:00.46 | liable | i have only seen udev change them when new kernels change dev names, or new hardware is added |
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| 11:01.28 | valdyn | liable: or kernels change device order |
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| 11:01.45 | the-dude | valdyn: yep nice on remote machine's :) |
| 11:01.47 | liable | no, thats what udev stops, it keeps mac address for that |
| 11:01.51 | valdyn | liable: its not really important as to why this happens, but i know it does and i know theres nothing keeping them in place |
| 11:01.59 | cahoot | I thought z25_persistent-net.rules got recreated? |
| 11:02.02 | dutchfish | valdyn, confirmed (changed names) |
| 11:02.06 | liable | cahoot: it does |
| 11:02.14 | zxd | how can i find out what algorithm was used to hash a specific password? |
| 11:02.14 | zxd | ? |
| 11:02.16 | itchi | I'm back, did that, the card is now been wlan0, heh, i got a bonus, wmaster0 with the same mac as my wifi :-) |
| 11:02.24 | valdyn | liable: just talking about what happens when he disables the udev mechanism |
| 11:02.38 | liable | itchi: they are the same card, master iface, normal iface, ignore master |
| 11:02.49 | liable | valdyn: oh, sorry, misread |
| 11:02.49 | cahoot | itchi: wmaster is a confirmation you use mac80211 |
| 11:02.51 | itchi | Well i don't care about that bonus, the wifi has now a logical name heh |
| 11:02.52 | zxd | what is the program that deconds base64 code? |
| 11:02.56 | itchi | ok |
| 11:03.00 | itchi | Thanks! |
| 11:03.29 | itchi | Well, i reboot the beast now (irssi will still run). brb |
| 11:03.30 | liable | irc cops are earning there money tonight |
| 11:03.42 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 11:04.02 | jim | they make money? |
| 11:04.19 | liable | metaphoricly |
| 11:04.24 | dutchfish | liable, harsh botnet weather? |
| 11:04.29 | liable | i need spellcheck in irrsi |
| 11:04.37 | slxix | apparently they get paid per k-line. |
| 11:04.38 | jim | yes you do :) |
| 11:04.39 | cahoot | irssi? |
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| 11:05.16 | liable | but then it would fix my 'your' which i like to do in the wrong sense to annoy some people :) |
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| 11:05.44 | jim | it would have to do grammar to be able to detect that cse |
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| 11:05.51 | liable | heh, true |
| 11:06.06 | itchi | Coool, it still work like expected, thanks guys! |
| 11:06.22 | liable | you doubted us? :) |
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| 11:06.59 | cahoot | inborn error of sceptabolism |
| 11:07.31 | liable | heh |
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| 11:07.50 | itchi | I guess i may remove these ipw3945 packages, like i got an error during startup: no module found |
| 11:07.57 | dutchfish | cahoot, is that virulent? |
| 11:08.12 | cahoot | I doubt that |
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| 11:08.31 | itchi | well, i should leave these packages, for my kernel 2.6.22 that is still installed |
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| 11:09.36 | dutchfish | wonders whats going on with packages.debian.org, it is still deadly slow or not responding at all |
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| 11:09.52 | liable | has been down for a couple o days apparently |
| 11:10.41 | liable | eh, < Ganneff> dato: no. just loaded and slow. |
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| 11:11.27 | sergiu | hello |
| 11:11.58 | sergiu | anyone now, when the repository of debian stable will be upgraded |
| 11:12.18 | dutchfish | sergiu, nightly |
| 11:12.22 | ak5 | hello, I am running debian 4.0r3 (netinstall) and have a strange problem: My network connection works fine for at most 5 minutes after starting the machine, then starts getting really slow until it finally pings out. I have no idea what could be the cause of this problem, as ther machines on the network seem to work fine :/ anyone have any idea? |
| 11:12.30 | liable | sergiu: what do you mean? stable only gets security updates |
| 11:12.30 | sergiu | dutchfish, today?? |
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| 11:13.02 | dutchfish | sergiu, if you mean updated yes, if you mean if lenny gets stable no |
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| 11:14.41 | sergiu | etch |
| 11:14.53 | dutchfish | no changes in etch |
| 11:15.00 | ak5 | So no ideas how to fix my torubles? :'( |
| 11:15.17 | penper | hi! Is there a way to specify different 'Description' elements in a DEBIAN/control file? I.e. like you can in .desktop files. Thanks :) |
| 11:15.38 | penper | (oops, I meant different like in different languages) |
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| 11:18.09 | dutchfish | penper, http://www.debian.org/intl/l10n/ddtp |
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| 11:18.31 | penper | thansk dutchfish |
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| 11:27.22 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 11:27.24 | HardDisk_WP | i have this line |
| 11:27.25 | HardDisk_WP | snd 53940 5 snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep, Live 0xbf0c3000 |
| 11:27.35 | HardDisk_WP | how do I get only the "snd" part? |
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| 11:27.58 | SlayerXP | HardDisk_WP: errr, what do you mean, exactly? |
| 11:28.13 | HardDisk_WP | SlayerXP, i want to unload all snd related kernel modules |
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| 11:28.34 | HardDisk_WP | and i want to cat /proc/modules|grep snd|$filter|xargs rmmod |
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| 11:32.17 | HardDisk_WP | SlayerXP, and where does the ~14mb used RAM difference from http://pastebin.ca/1015653 come from? |
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| 11:33.13 | CoolCold | who knows/remembers, does etch can create raid 1 from 2 disks and install / on it? |
| 11:33.17 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: awk, sed or cut can do that |
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| 11:34.14 | HardDisk_WP | Bushmills, nvm, i unloaded by hand now |
| 11:34.23 | Bushmills | awk or cut probably easiest in this case |
| 11:34.27 | HardDisk_WP | but still, I am missing 14MB of RAM |
| 11:34.33 | HardDisk_WP | where did they went away?! |
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| 11:35.03 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.ca/1015663 |
| 11:35.08 | liable | must be regs? |
| 11:35.13 | HardDisk_WP | => they are not really in the kernel module |
| 11:35.14 | liable | doh |
| 11:35.25 | HardDisk_WP | liable, ? |
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| 11:36.46 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, cat /proc/meminfo ? |
| 11:37.21 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, http://pastebin.ca/1015667 |
| 11:37.39 | HardDisk_WP | Cached: 14,7 MB o_O |
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| 11:37.48 | HardDisk_WP | what the 'ell does that mean? |
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| 11:38.07 | the-dude | CoolCold: yeah that works |
| 11:38.31 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, does that mean something is broken? |
| 11:38.46 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, nope, seams fine |
| 11:39.11 | K-Ton | I'm trying to set wireless. ath_pci works, i can join to my network, but i don't get ip adress. Can someone help please? |
| 11:39.17 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, yeah, but what does that "cached" mean?! |
| 11:39.27 | HardDisk_WP | K-Ton, run dhclient IFACE |
| 11:39.51 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, i mean, the amount of cached mem is the amount of mem I am missing... |
| 11:39.54 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, cached in memmory from disk reads for future use to speed up things, this is normal kernel behaviour |
| 11:39.54 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache |
| 11:40.11 | HardDisk_WP | can I somehow smaller this? |
| 11:40.36 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, to prove that, you can clear the cache by: sync && sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 11:41.00 | HardDisk_WP | WOW |
| 11:41.03 | HardDisk_WP | 22MB free o_O |
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| 11:41.15 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: you don't want to. only "leftover"mem is used for cache, and is release when required otherwise |
| 11:41.18 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, doing this naturally slows down performance (nothing is in cache now) |
| 11:41.31 | K-Ton | HardDisk_WP : i don't know how to run dhclient IFACE :/ |
| 11:41.42 | HardDisk_WP | K-Ton, open a root shell |
| 11:41.47 | HardDisk_WP | then run command ifconfig |
| 11:41.51 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: free ram is wasted. data cached in ram speeds up. |
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| 11:42.06 | K-Ton | done |
| 11:42.20 | HardDisk_WP | Bushmills, well, everytime i run some media player with ~5MB free, the sound stutters |
| 11:42.31 | HardDisk_WP | K-Ton, now run iwconfig |
| 11:42.38 | HardDisk_WP | then tell me which one shows infos |
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| 11:42.44 | HardDisk_WP | should be ath0 or wlanà |
| 11:42.46 | HardDisk_WP | wlan0 |
| 11:42.53 | dutchfish | points is weak old finger to latencytop |
| 11:43.02 | K-Ton | with iwconfig it shows ath0 |
| 11:43.15 | K-Ton | for wifi0 it says no wireless extensions. |
| 11:43.20 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
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| 11:43.27 | HardDisk_WP | then run dhclient ath0 |
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| 11:43.33 | HardDisk_WP | and you shall get an IP |
| 11:43.36 | xsd | how do i mount an iso to the cdrom? |
| 11:43.44 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: set niceness or cpu scheduling |
| 11:43.46 | Cromag | !iso |
| 11:43.46 | dpkg | well, iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, debian-cd.com, http://www.linuxiso.org, something I do with needle and thread, ask me about <netinst>, a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, jigdo, ask me about <jigdo>, did I mention <jigdo>?, see <create cd image>, a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 11:44.09 | Cromag | sorry, wrong one. |
| 11:44.10 | HardDisk_WP | Bushmills, how (the latter)? |
| 11:44.20 | K-Ton | thanks HardDisk_WP, it works i think |
| 11:44.25 | Cromag | xsd: i believe dd works. |
| 11:44.31 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: schedtool, for example |
| 11:44.33 | HardDisk_WP | xsd, mount /path/to/the.iso /mount/point -o loop |
| 11:44.35 | K-Ton | I plug off the wire cable |
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| 11:44.51 | xsd | thanks |
| 11:45.06 | HardDisk_WP | xsd, and for writing an ISO to cdrom dd if=/path/to/the.iso of=/dev/hdX or sdX |
| 11:45.26 | dutchfish | sorry guys have to run, catch you all later |
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| 11:48.01 | K_Ton | thanks you HardDisk_WP, it works. Is it now default, or i have to set it every time? |
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| 11:48.38 | xsd | is there a way to specify an .iso to boot up instead of the usual linux kernel at boot? |
| 11:48.47 | HardDisk_WP | K_Ton, run "apt-get install network-manager" in the root shell |
| 11:48.56 | HardDisk_WP | and you shouldnt have to run it any longer by hand |
| 11:49.10 | K_Ton | it's already installed, i have started with that |
| 11:49.18 | HardDisk_WP | strange |
| 11:49.28 | HardDisk_WP | nm should run it automatically |
| 11:49.33 | K_Ton | okay thanks |
| 11:49.36 | HardDisk_WP | K_Ton, anyway, do you use kde or gnome |
| 11:49.38 | HardDisk_WP | if kde |
| 11:49.46 | K_Ton | kde, on lenny |
| 11:49.54 | HardDisk_WP | then there should be "network-manager-kde" or "knetworkmanager" package |
| 11:49.57 | HardDisk_WP | install it |
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| 11:50.04 | HardDisk_WP | and let k-nm handle all the wireless stuff |
| 11:50.11 | K_Ton | okay thanks |
| 11:50.48 | liable | dont forget to reads its docs |
| 11:51.33 | K_Ton | strange, there is network-manager-gnome installed instead of kde one |
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| 11:52.03 | HardDisk_WP | K_Ton, just install the kde module, gnome one doesnt hurt |
| 11:52.27 | HardDisk_WP | liable, k-nm is so easy to use, normally u dont need docs for it unless you're ...totally stupid |
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| 11:52.54 | K_Ton | great it works, thank again HardDisk_WP |
| 11:53.07 | liable | HardDisk_WP: right, tell that to the many people i have seen here that dont comment their interfaces file, or add themselves to netdev.. |
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| 11:53.18 | HardDisk_WP | oh okay^^ |
| 11:53.46 | HardDisk_WP | right, netdev is the only thing you really have to care about |
| 11:53.49 | radio-head | #doc |
| 11:53.49 | radio-head | #doc |
| 11:53.50 | radio-head | #doc |
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| 11:54.25 | HardDisk_WP | * Kann #doc nicht betreten (Channel ist nur auf Einladung zu betreten). |
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| 11:54.36 | HardDisk_WP | so what was this junking for? |
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| 11:58.57 | xsd | CASmith, i have mounted an iso image only |
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| 12:08.32 | c00l2sv | hi guys, somebody can help me with postfix and dkim-filter? |
| 12:08.37 | c00l2sv | please |
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| 12:09.29 | aurehman | Hi... I m having problem in creating Virtual hosts in debian. |
| 12:09.36 | aurehman | anybody help me how to create virtual hosts in apache |
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| 12:13.27 | jelly | aurehman: have you read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz? |
| 12:13.35 | the-dude | aurehman: debian-administration.org has a nice howto |
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| 12:18.16 | c00l2sv | can sombody help me too with dkim-filter? |
| 12:18.18 | aurehman | jelly: i m reading this |
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| 12:21.30 | dam85 | is there a supported webcam list on debian ? |
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| 12:22.32 | aurehman | didn't get any help from /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:22.34 | aurehman | :( |
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| 12:23.42 | dam85 | ? |
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| 12:24.12 | cahoot | dam85: not specifically for debian - it's all a kernel matter - try google linux usb webcam |
| 12:24.29 | dam85 | ok |
| 12:24.52 | jim | aurehman what did you get |
| 12:24.59 | cahoot | dam85: if you have the choice I'd suggest one that uses uvcvideo |
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| 12:25.23 | dam85 | is better than gspca ? |
| 12:26.03 | aurehman | actually i need to create some virtual hosts |
| 12:26.18 | aurehman | we have multiple subdomains hosted in our server |
| 12:26.19 | cahoot | dam85: I have the impression it allows for better quality |
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| 12:26.42 | aurehman | i followed this link |
| 12:26.44 | aurehman | http://www.debuntu.org/2006/02/22/7-virtual-hosting-using-apache-2 |
| 12:26.47 | aurehman | but it didn't help me |
| 12:26.49 | aus_civ | Does anyone know what changes like MTU, etc are needed to tag packets across a bridge device? |
| 12:27.28 | dam85 | cahoot: ok |
| 12:27.37 | dam85 | i have an EMTEC webcam |
| 12:27.51 | cahoot | dam85: usb? |
| 12:27.53 | dam85 | but doesn't works fine |
| 12:27.55 | dam85 | yes |
| 12:28.07 | dam85 | if i do lsmod i see |
| 12:28.13 | cahoot | dam85: find out its usb id and google |
| 12:28.13 | dam85 | usbcore 134028 6 gspca,uvcvideo,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 12:28.25 | dam85 | lsusb ?? |
| 12:28.36 | cahoot | yes |
| 12:28.43 | sparr | simonrvn: ?? <simonrvn> sparr is a real person, unless they're already here |
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| 12:29.18 | dam85 | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0c45:612a Microdia PC Camera (SN9C110) |
| 12:29.32 | cahoot | you want me to do the googling? |
| 12:30.15 | dam85 | i don't see a good driver fro linux....because i installed ucvideo gspca |
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| 12:30.19 | dam85 | but doesn't works |
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| 12:31.31 | ootput | is it possible to do parallel fetching of packages from apt-repositories? |
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| 12:32.04 | abrotman | not from the same |
| 12:32.09 | cahoot | dam85: seems it's gspca - rather fresh version needed |
| 12:32.21 | ootput | thanks |
| 12:32.47 | abrotman | thought we solved the gspca thing yesterday |
| 12:33.18 | dam85 | i downloaded this gspca-modules-2.6.24-1-686-bigmem |
| 12:33.33 | dam85 | i'm using 2.6.24-1-686-bigmem |
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| 12:33.59 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 12:34.28 | dam85 | abrotman: the problem is i can't use this webcam |
| 12:34.42 | dam85 | with kdetv camorama cheese etc etc |
| 12:34.46 | dam85 | doesn't work |
| 12:34.58 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 12:35.01 | ootput | dam85: user priveleges in order? |
| 12:35.11 | dam85 | i don't know if i have t install another "driver" |
| 12:35.18 | abrotman | dam85: if you unplug/replug .. does dmesg help ? |
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| 12:36.09 | dam85 | one moment i try and post to nopaste one moment |
| 12:37.54 | dam85 | this is lsusb --> http://phpfi.com/316271 |
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| 12:39.15 | dam85 | dmesg --> http://phpfi.com/316272 |
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| 12:40.12 | dam85 | tail /var/log/messages -> http://phpfi.com/316273 |
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| 12:40.42 | abrotman | dam85: why are the modules in your /home/ ? |
| 12:41.02 | dam85 | lsmod --> http://phpfi.com/316275 |
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| 12:41.38 | cahoot | dam85: uvcvideo you can remove |
| 12:41.55 | dam85 | mmm i don't know i think i do something wrong :( |
| 12:42.05 | abrotman | really .. who wants to look at dam85 anyways :) |
| 12:42.17 | dam85 | ok, remove ucvideo ? |
| 12:42.57 | cahoot | dam85: weel as your cam doesn't use uvcvideo - don't know if its presence is a cause of trouble though |
| 12:43.27 | dam85 | doesn't use ucvideo ??? but i see this module on lsmod |
| 12:43.29 | dam85 | why? |
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| 12:43.39 | dam85 | usbcore 134028 6 gspca,uvcvideo,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 12:44.07 | methril | hi |
| 12:44.11 | cahoot | dam85: dmesg you showed declares gspca gets loaded |
| 12:44.18 | methril | someone has problems with Xs in the last upgrade? |
| 12:44.48 | methril | some fonts are not renedering correctly (no gdm render, neither kde or gnome) |
| 12:45.33 | dam85 | so i have to uninstall gspca and reinstall uvcvideo |
| 12:45.36 | dam85 | ? |
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| 12:46.39 | cahoot | dam85: as far as I can tell your cam uses gspca - not uvcvideo - hence you don't need uvcvideo for you camera |
| 12:48.01 | dam85 | but the cam still not works |
| 12:48.40 | JyZyXEL | !ati |
| 12:48.40 | dpkg | ati is, like, For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd> |
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| 12:49.22 | JyZyXEL | game needs "opengl" direct rendering |
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| 12:49.35 | JyZyXEL | is this the same as "3D accel." |
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| 12:49.51 | dam85 | ? |
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| 12:50.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 12:50.18 | stew | JyZyXEL: what card do you have? |
| 12:50.32 | JyZyXEL | very old ati in a very old laptop |
| 12:50.34 | JyZyXEL | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) |
| 12:50.58 | stew | JyZyXEL: then you just need to use the free ati driver |
| 12:51.30 | JyZyXEL | aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 12:51.49 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 12:51.58 | JyZyXEL | hmm looks like i already have it |
| 12:52.04 | JyZyXEL | might not be using it |
| 12:52.26 | stew | JyZyXEL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:52.35 | JyZyXEL | looks like we are using the "vesa" |
| 12:52.40 | jim | you just gotta do what dpkg bot calls drxx |
| 12:52.41 | stew | JyZyXEL: its quite possible that that card doesn't have accellerated 3d support |
| 12:52.51 | jim | not all of it just reconfigure |
| 12:52.54 | JyZyXEL | yea i know, its rare |
| 12:53.07 | abrotman | rare? |
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| 12:53.14 | JyZyXEL | rare that you get 3D accel |
| 12:53.24 | abrotman | depends on the card .. mine works fine |
| 12:53.37 | Nyle | wubi for debian could be nice |
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| 12:53.44 | Nyle | better than debian.exe for newbies |
| 12:53.55 | jim | then after that you have to make sure the dri/drm stuff is all turned on, then glxinfo will say Direct rendering: yes |
| 12:54.06 | jim | once it does, you should be set |
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| 12:54.49 | Nyle | one click debian install in a virtual filesystem on windows |
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| 12:56.12 | abrotman | or you have a decent piece of hardware and it magically works :) |
| 12:56.30 | abrotman | GNU\tresh: |
| 12:56.33 | abrotman | doh .. sorry |
| 12:56.44 | methril | some x expert? |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | just ask |
| 12:56.57 | markybob | cries about aptitude not having super cow powers |
| 12:56.59 | jim | you mean not an expert anymore? |
| 12:58.08 | stew | methril: you are not likely to actually need an expert. just ask your question |
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| 12:59.49 | jim | SuperCow... able to leap tall blades of grass! |
| 12:59.59 | Nyle | in a single bound |
| 13:00.10 | jim | actually no... |
| 13:00.13 | Nyle | jim, cow from Kung Pao, Enter the Fist comes to mind |
| 13:01.04 | jim | the cow following the tao of kung pao... ow! |
| 13:01.13 | Nyle | haha |
| 13:01.47 | Nyle | hmm wubi uses some mindfucking preseeding trickery |
| 13:01.56 | Nyle | I wonder what it would take to have it work with debian |
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| 13:02.09 | jim | is wubi written in ruby? |
| 13:02.10 | debian- | Hello |
| 13:02.18 | Nyle | jim, I don't know that yet |
| 13:02.27 | Nyle | jim, but if you google/read about it, you'll see what it does |
| 13:02.37 | Nyle | forget the distro it is for, cuz the distro sucks balls |
| 13:02.39 | debian- | Modprobe is eating all of my cpu, 100% for about 4days and 17houres |
| 13:02.42 | Nyle | but the software is a damn good idea |
| 13:02.45 | Nyle | imo anyway |
| 13:03.06 | debian- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.13 | debian- | How to make it go away? |
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| 13:03.19 | jim | modprobe isn't supposed to keep running |
| 13:03.53 | jim | if it is... soemthigns wrong :) |
| 13:04.06 | debian- | Well lets fix it |
| 13:04.09 | ^shark_ | a cron doing modprobe? |
| 13:04.19 | debian- | ^shark_: No, alsa |
| 13:04.47 | jim | why are you saying modprobe is what's taking up the cpu |
| 13:05.40 | Nyle | hmm |
| 13:05.44 | Nyle | is now using GRUB 2, alongside |
| 13:05.57 | Nyle | thats cool |
| 13:06.13 | debian- | jim: sh -c /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-opl3sa2 && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-opl3s is using 100% cpu, it never ends, and was started by ALSA at boot. |
| 13:06.27 | cahoot | 4 days ago? |
| 13:06.30 | Nyle | Ah, and it's also making its way to official Debian CDs |
| 13:06.38 | Nyle | sweet |
| 13:07.03 | jim | you mean etch anahaf? |
| 13:07.10 | phil0u | the-dude, jelly: Thx for your help, system is up and running , with a few quirks as always, when upgrading old kernels (iptables scripts breaking, no big deal, fixed since) |
| 13:07.32 | debian- | cahoot: Yes |
| 13:07.38 | x_link | Hi |
| 13:07.49 | x_link | Does anybody know any program or command that can stress my RAM a bit? |
| 13:07.52 | phil0u | the-dude, jelly: Still, i'm still without a shadow password file ;) |
| 13:07.55 | Nyle | jim, no, official lenny release cds |
| 13:08.02 | Nyle | jim, supposedly debian.exe will be going on them |
| 13:08.02 | debian- | and 17 houres |
| 13:08.14 | Nyle | the win32loader of debian-installe |
| 13:08.15 | cahoot | debian-: you really are patient |
| 13:08.20 | x_link | Nyle: Hi man! |
| 13:08.24 | Nyle | x_link, YO! |
| 13:08.27 | jim | official lenny... so it's that close to release |
| 13:08.28 | Nyle | my man whats up |
| 13:08.28 | jim | ? |
| 13:08.37 | x_link | Nyle: Not much man, and you? |
| 13:08.39 | Nyle | no... |
| 13:08.46 | x_link | Nyle: Do you know any command/program that can stress my RAM-sticks a bit? |
| 13:09.00 | debian- | cahoot: And this is for a sound card that doesnt even work, and is deactivated in bios. |
| 13:09.02 | stew | x_link: memtest86+ |
| 13:09.03 | phil0u | x_link: memtest |
| 13:09.26 | Nyle | x_link, I prefer to use the Extensive/Extended test of the Gold Memory Test |
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| 13:09.46 | cahoot | debian-: so in effect you don't want alsa at all? |
| 13:09.49 | Nyle | google for it, you may find it on a ubcd or a dos based cd |
| 13:10.11 | Nyle | x_link, that is much MORE strenous than regular ol memtest86+ |
| 13:10.13 | debian- | cahoot: I do want alsa, but i want it reconfigured to not use the card. |
| 13:10.20 | jim | debian-: you mean modprobe is trying to load modules for a card that's not available from the bios? |
| 13:10.29 | x_link | Nyle: Where can I get that? |
| 13:10.38 | x_link | stew/phil0u: Okey, thanks. |
| 13:10.39 | debian- | jim: Yes, but it didnt even work when it was activated. |
| 13:10.41 | Nyle | x_link, private, this is not for the general eyes of freenode |
| 13:10.42 | cahoot | debian-: try the info in /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 13:11.03 | Nyle | less they get charged with peddlin' closed source shit |
| 13:11.04 | Nyle | nm |
| 13:11.10 | jim | do you have a sound card other than that? |
| 13:11.10 | x_link | I have this Crucial BallstiX 2x2GB Tracer Red, I just want to see the lamps. |
| 13:11.16 | x_link | Nyle: Okey =) |
| 13:11.23 | debian- | jim: USB speakers |
| 13:11.40 | jim | oh... that supported by alsa too? |
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| 13:12.02 | debian- | cahoot: Like blacklist snd-opl3sa2? |
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| 13:12.16 | debian- | jim: ALSA supports everything |
| 13:12.23 | asmarin | a dns question |
| 13:12.38 | asmarin | if my isp provider can serve me a dns like beer.foo.com |
| 13:12.38 | cahoot | debian-: that and rebuild initramfs |
| 13:12.54 | cahoot | debian-: see the msg from dpkg |
| 13:12.57 | asmarin | can i have fresh.beer.foo.com too no? |
| 13:13.08 | aurehman | thanx jelly i did it.. |
| 13:13.19 | Bushmills | asmarin: your provider runs a recursive dns. you can too |
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| 13:13.23 | jim | I think you should reconfigure alsa such that it doens't try to activate the card that was disabled in the bios |
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| 13:13.28 | debian- | 15158 root 23 -2 1580 588 472 R 1.3 0.2 0:00.02 /sbin/modprobe --use-blacklist snd_opl3sa2 Does that mean it is blacklisted? |
| 13:13.48 | debian- | jim: I remember two commands made this problem occur. |
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| 13:13.56 | debian- | I just have no idea witch |
| 13:14.15 | jim | my suggestion stands... |
| 13:14.49 | asmarin | ufff |
| 13:15.08 | asmarin | and if not? |
| 13:15.15 | asmarin | bushmills: and if not? |
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| 13:15.24 | Bushmills | asmarin: if what not? |
| 13:15.30 | debian- | jim: How= |
| 13:15.34 | asmarin | if i dont have and dont want a recursive dns? |
| 13:15.55 | asmarin | i dont need recursive dns....only gets dns name |
| 13:15.56 | Bushmills | asmarin: then you use the dns of somebody else, or your provider's dns |
| 13:16.02 | asmarin | yeah |
| 13:16.13 | asmarin | my job dns provider |
| 13:16.24 | asmarin | im little noob on dns server install |
| 13:16.29 | Bushmills | asmarin: doesn't matter whose dns you use. |
| 13:16.40 | Bushmills | but you can use your own too if you like. |
| 13:16.41 | asmarin | i need a dns for a w2k3 server with fucked AD |
| 13:16.56 | asmarin | and need to get fresh.beer.foo.com |
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| 13:17.15 | asmarin | no no...i cant install my own server for security reasons |
| 13:17.31 | Bushmills | i assume you mean "to resolve" with "to get"? |
| 13:17.52 | asmarin | yeah ;-) |
| 13:18.36 | Bushmills | is "fresh beer" mean as example, or do you want literally fresh.beer.foo.com? |
| 13:18.39 | Bushmills | meant |
| 13:18.54 | asmarin | my company is foo.com |
| 13:18.55 | methril | some ttf (i suspect the ttf-bitstream-vera) doesn't render correctly. I'm using debian lenny and i did an upgrade this morning. I'll try to reinstall & reconfigure some all xfsttf ttfconfig & some related font/xfotns packages |
| 13:18.55 | asmarin | ok? |
| 13:19.04 | methril | anyone has some idea |
| 13:19.07 | asmarin | beer is for host |
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| 13:19.19 | Bushmills | Registrars of foo.com is DigiMedia.com in Wichita Falls, TX 76308 |
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| 13:19.26 | JyZyXEL | foo! |
| 13:19.28 | methril | no errors, and starts correctly |
| 13:19.31 | JyZyXEL | i want foo.bar |
| 13:19.35 | asmarin | is a example :-P |
| 13:19.40 | Bushmills | there is no TLD ".bar" |
| 13:20.06 | JyZyXEL | if you have enough money |
| 13:20.09 | JyZyXEL | then there is |
| 13:20.11 | methril | gdm/kdm starts, but the menu/text doesn't appea |
| 13:20.12 | Bushmills | ah. you need to register that domain, and add a zone file to an authoritative DNS |
| 13:20.31 | jelly | this is why there are example.{org,com,net,etc} |
| 13:20.35 | Bushmills | again, it may be yours, or it may be an auth. DNS run by someone else |
| 13:20.44 | Agiofws | hi |
| 13:20.48 | asmarin | bushmills: on my company |
| 13:21.02 | Agiofws | can someone help me GET THE EURO sign on my pc ? |
| 13:21.12 | Agiofws | i'm using debian lenny |
| 13:21.14 | methril | i'll check the logs (Xorg, gdm, kdm) |
| 13:21.38 | asmarin | bushmills: my company has our own dns server....i want to know if i can register fresh.beer.foo.com (this dns is a dummy example) |
| 13:21.44 | methril | Agiofws whaat locates do you have? in console or desktop? |
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| 13:22.00 | asmarin | when normally dns are beer.foo.com, football.foo.com, etc... |
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| 13:22.24 | Bushmills | asmarin: registering and adding zone files are two seperate steps. you can register. but you still need to add the zone files |
| 13:22.25 | Agiofws | locales ? |
| 13:22.37 | Agiofws | methril, agiofws@ixus:~$paste < /usr/bin/locale |
| 13:22.37 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/oC1hcn84.html |
| 13:22.38 | apathetic | Hello, im install etch from normal size cd, i dont want a desktop system, but i cant uncheck it in the install? |
| 13:22.44 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$paste < /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:22.44 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/DQiLIi11.html |
| 13:22.49 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$echo $LANG |
| 13:22.49 | Agiofws | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:23.08 | mquin | Agiofws: did you see the link I posted in ##linux? |
| 13:23.16 | asmarin | bushmills: uhmm... beer.foo.com is a A.B.C dns zone |
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| 13:23.34 | asmarin | and fresh.beer.foo.com is a A.B.C.D zone no? |
| 13:23.35 | Agiofws | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Euro-Char-Support.html this one |
| 13:23.37 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:23.43 | asmarin | puffff |
| 13:23.56 | mquin | Agiofws: yep |
| 13:24.00 | Bushmills | asmarin: zone-c of foo.com can add host names or sub domains to foo.com |
| 13:24.04 | debian- | Isnt asmarin OT? |
| 13:24.06 | methril | echo $LOCALES |
| 13:24.07 | Agiofws | yes |
| 13:24.32 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$paste < /usr/bin/locale |
| 13:24.33 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/oC1hcn84.html |
| 13:24.36 | Bushmills | asmarin: do whois foo.com, and there it says how to contact zone-c |
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| 13:24.42 | asmarin | yeah is a OT topic sorry, but i think this is the best wayt to ask ;-) |
| 13:24.45 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$echo $LOCALES |
| 13:24.45 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ |
| 13:25.08 | Bushmills | or technical contact |
| 13:25.32 | asmarin | bushmills: in this case i can add subdomains |
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| 13:26.00 | Bushmills | asmarin: if you can modify foo.com zone files on the dns, yes. but if you could, you'd not have to ask |
| 13:26.20 | asmarin | ok |
| 13:26.22 | jelly | methril: you wanted to say just "locale" |
| 13:26.29 | Bushmills | so i assume you'd have to ask the tech contact to do that for you |
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| 13:27.08 | asmarin | yeah |
| 13:27.21 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 13:27.40 | subcom | Hi guys, I'm new to Debian but not to linux. I've a question about installing software on this distribution. |
| 13:28.02 | subcom | Is there a way to send automatic rensponses to apt-get install? |
| 13:28.20 | jelly | Agiofws: use "locale" command to find out current locale settings |
| 13:28.37 | jelly | oh, you already did |
| 13:28.42 | Agiofws | ggrrr |
| 13:28.43 | Agiofws | :> |
| 13:29.06 | jelly | er... you pasted the binary, not its output |
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| 13:29.21 | Agiofws | do you guys have |
| 13:29.23 | Agiofws | /usr/share/keymaps/include/euro.inc.gz |
| 13:29.27 | Agiofws | huh ? |
| 13:29.40 | Agiofws | heh |
| 13:29.40 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:29.42 | Agiofws | wait |
| 13:30.00 | jelly | !find /euro.inc etch |
| 13:30.48 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$locale | paste |
| 13:30.49 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/7gMuuP25.html |
| 13:30.49 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.54 | Agiofws | do you ? |
| 13:31.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/euro.inc' (1): (/usr/share/keymaps/i386/include/euro.inc.gz) in utils/console-data. |
| 13:31.32 | Agiofws | !find /euro.inc etch |
| 13:31.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/euro.inc' (1): (/usr/share/keymaps/i386/include/euro.inc.gz) in utils/console-data. |
| 13:31.42 | BLah^^ | What command to remove packets what appear in mode 'rc' when you do dpkg -l |
| 13:31.43 | BLah^^ | ? |
| 13:31.50 | Agiofws | !find /euro.inc lenny |
| 13:31.54 | SlayerXP | Agiofws: PACK IT IN |
| 13:32.03 | Agiofws | apt-get ? |
| 13:32.05 | SlayerXP | Agiofws: if you want to play with the bot, do so via /msg |
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| 13:32.19 | cahoot | BLah^^: looking for a purge? |
| 13:32.24 | BLah^^ | purge? |
| 13:32.27 | jim | the bot does respond privately when you mxb ig |
| 13:32.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/euro.inc' (1): (/usr/share/keymaps/i386/include/euro.inc.gz) in utils/console-data. |
| 13:32.31 | BLah^^ | o lol |
| 13:32.33 | BLah^^ | not |
| 13:32.37 | Agiofws | Debian Search of '/euro.inc' (1): (/usr/share/keymaps/i386/include/euro.inc.gz) in utils/console-data. |
| 13:32.43 | BLah^^ | I just want to remove my old java-sun5-xxxx packets |
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| 13:33.24 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/usr/share/keymaps/i386/include$ls | paste |
| 13:33.24 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/tO6X3b89.html |
| 13:33.26 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:33.28 | Agiofws | ? |
| 13:33.40 | jelly | Agiofws: ? |
| 13:34.00 | Agiofws | ok it seems i do have this file |
| 13:34.02 | Agiofws | euro.inc.gz |
| 13:34.11 | Agiofws | wtf can;t i print it TYPE it |
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| 13:34.31 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
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| 13:37.23 | subcom | nobody can help me about apt-get? |
| 13:39.03 | antgel | subcom: you didn't put much effort into your question. what exactly do you want to do? |
| 13:39.38 | SlayerXP | subcom: based on the information given so far, you are correct. |
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| 13:40.00 | subcom | for example, when i do apt-get install dhcp3-server I get the annoying message |
| 13:40.24 | subcom | "This version is not authoritative" etc.. |
| 13:40.40 | subcom | Can I disable that warning to use apt-get in a shell script? |
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| 13:40.53 | subcom | without user intervention? |
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| 13:41.10 | hoxu | subcom, did you read the topic? What's the actual message? |
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| 13:42.27 | subcom | I'm new here, I need to go in offtopic? |
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| 13:43.35 | cahoot | subcom: I belive they mean to point you to the part of /topic that mentions public key |
| 13:43.37 | slidesinger | I have two computers, both running testing, both running ntp with the stock debian config, both running behind the exact same firewall, yet there is a difference in time of nearly fifteen minutes between them. Does anyone have any idea as to what might be causing this? |
| 13:44.36 | antgel | slidesinger: does ntp set the time correctly on bootup? |
| 13:44.39 | epsilon | tried to specify the timeserver? |
| 13:45.04 | garo | subcom: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 13:45.22 | slidesinger | antgel: Nothing in dmesg one way or the other. |
| 13:45.24 | beardy | slidesinger: Do you/did you set it initially? That's a horrible drift.. |
| 13:45.33 | slidesinger | epsilon: No |
| 13:45.39 | slidesinger | beardy: No |
| 13:45.40 | kain-1984 | hi! |
| 13:45.50 | slidesinger | And yes, it is a horrible drift. |
| 13:46.37 | subcom | there is no smart-response? :) ok, thanks anyway |
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| 13:46.53 | cahoot | slidesinger: does hwclock --systohc complete w/o failusre? |
| 13:46.53 | kain-1984 | any1 here using rezound? |
| 13:46.56 | beardy | slidesinger: One, or both doesn't have contact with any server, have you controlled that tey actually have contact with servers? |
| 13:47.05 | beardy | they* |
| 13:47.32 | slidesinger | cahoot: Yes |
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| 13:48.15 | beardy | slidesinger: Also, what about their RTC's, do they drift a lot? If they don't have real contact with servers, they rely on the RTC (IIRC, in the default config..) |
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| 13:49.32 | beardy | slidesinger: I fought with my own not long ago, and read anyway that it sets the time like ntpdata was used for before, by itself on ntpd restart, when what happens if you restart them? Do they get synced? |
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| 13:49.44 | beardy | ntpdate* |
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| 13:49.49 | MarcWeber | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.19 | slidesinger | beardy: I think you may have hit it on the nose. ntpdate 12 May 09:50:13 ntpdate[3676]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 13:50.25 | MarcWeber | Where to look for more information on how to fix this? I neither cane remove nor reinstall this packages after having tried apt-get upgrade |
| 13:50.43 | slidesinger | I'm guessing that means it is finding no servers from the pool. |
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| 13:51.13 | Agiofws | can someone help me WRITE print the Euro SIGN ? |
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| 13:52.47 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger: next time you might want to look at /var/log/syslog for output from ntpd. you can't read its output via dmesg due to it being a userland process, not a kernel thing |
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| 13:53.25 | beardy | slidesinger: Hmm, yes maybe, though ntpdate and ntpd are very.. two different things. If you have ntpd, you don't need ntpdate anymore, it says anyway. What if you try 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org'? IIRC you have to give it the server. |
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| 13:54.12 | beardy | slidesinger: You can also, after you've restarted ntpd use 'ntpdc', then ask for 'peers'. |
| 13:54.24 | slidesinger | beardy: That worked just fine. |
| 13:55.24 | subcom | Agiofws: have you tried LANG=it_IT.UTF8;export LANG ? |
| 13:55.45 | subcom | peraphs you need locales-all... ? |
| 13:55.46 | Agiofws | subcom, |
| 13:56.00 | slidesinger | every server returned from the peers request has exactly the same private IP as my laptop. |
| 13:56.04 | beardy | slidesinger: or 'ntpdq' I don't remember which is the preferred. |
| 13:56.19 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$locale | paste |
| 13:56.19 | Agiofws | Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/uCJuFk70.html |
| 13:56.23 | Agiofws | subcom, |
| 13:56.59 | beardy | slidesinger: Then it probably hasn't any contact with any pool server. Also check the syslog after you've restarted it, now, see what it says. |
| 13:57.18 | liable | interesting question, myself and another person have noticed that citidel is installed in a chroot environment when recently upgrading it. why is this? |
| 13:58.05 | slidesinger | Odd, doing that with both machines. |
| 13:58.06 | beardy | slidesinger: I'd have a look at the default config, and at your firewall. |
| 13:59.27 | slidesinger | beardy: I run both machines on this net and the one at home. I'm going to try the same thing at home and see if I get the same results. If not, it is probably the firewall. If so, probably the config file. |
| 13:59.53 | slidesinger | Thanks everybody. |
| 14:01.03 | zxd | occasionally my Natted traffic becomes sluggish and i have to flush with iptables for things to run again , what could be causing this , and how can i debug better? |
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| 14:03.20 | beardy | slidesinger: Good luck. Do you have control over the firewall in front of the machines? |
| 14:03.22 | slidesinger | Actually, I think I just found the answer: May 12 09:54:47 ss ntpd[3695]: frequency initialized -26.774 PPM from /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift on the one machine and May 12 09:57:34 rms ntpd[4048]: frequency initialized -32.969 PPM from /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift on the other. |
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| 14:03.32 | dokma | hi guys |
| 14:03.50 | dokma | let's say I wanted to buy a used seagate sata disk and use it on my debian box |
| 14:03.53 | slidesinger | beardy: Yes, but I inherited it, so I don't know everything in the config yet. |
| 14:04.00 | dokma | how would I test it on the handover ? |
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| 14:06.26 | dokma | is there anything like memtest86 for hard drives ? |
| 14:06.57 | cahoot | bonnie++? |
| 14:07.03 | abrotman | badblocks ? |
| 14:07.09 | dokma | let me check those out |
| 14:07.15 | beardy | slidesinger: Hmm. The ntpd.drift is "personal" to each machine though, but well.. try removing the ntp.drift and restart (or remove after stopping if it saves), and see if it stabilizes at a better one. |
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| 14:08.25 | beardy | slidesinger: I wish I knew more about it.. I've just fiddled with my own a bit, and my one needed fiddling with the kernel's time variables because of a flakey RTC in the machine anyway. |
| 14:09.26 | slidesinger | Right. It may have had something to do with when the machine was created, as well. We have had network issues from time to time here and lag as a result. ISP problem which recently got ironed out. |
| 14:10.13 | slidesinger | beardy: That last is quite possible on the company owned machine. It's a low end dell. |
| 14:10.45 | beardy | slidesinger: Have a look at the adjtimex package if so. |
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| 14:11.21 | beardy | slidesinger: But first make sure you have proper contact with some servers. |
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| 14:12.06 | dokma | abrotman: badblocks is the right one |
| 14:12.11 | slidesinger | beardy: Thanks. Appreciate all the help. |
| 14:12.25 | dokma | I just wonder how long it would take to test a 300GB SATA hard drive |
| 14:12.59 | beardy | slidesinger: You're very welcome. |
| 14:13.08 | abrotman | dokma: do i get a prize? |
| 14:13.23 | dokma | only glory |
| 14:13.41 | ^shark_ | i used the source file bind-9.4.2.tar.gz to install bind, i also used the ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc but i dont seem to find where bind is installed |
| 14:13.47 | abrotman | karma is useful :) |
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| 14:15.02 | ^shark_ | am i missing anything? |
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| 14:15.16 | dokma | :) |
| 14:15.27 | jelly | !karma abrotman |
| 14:15.28 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 37 |
| 14:15.42 | abrotman | need more! |
| 14:15.53 | jelly | abrotman++ |
| 14:15.59 | jelly | !karma abrotman |
| 14:16.00 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 37 |
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| 14:16.08 | jelly | does it need !? |
| 14:16.14 | beardy | Never seen much use of it.. |
| 14:16.17 | jelly | heh. |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | jelly: yes |
| 14:16.23 | beardy | !karma beardy |
| 14:16.23 | dpkg | beardy has karma of 4 |
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| 14:17.01 | beardy | Use as a reward that is. |
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| 14:17.25 | Sinbaddd | hi guys....all of a sudden, my server cannot resolve DNS to IP. for example ping www.yahoo.com |
| 14:17.35 | abrotman | beardy: used to be much more popular |
| 14:17.41 | Sinbaddd | brings ping: unknown host www.yahoo.com |
| 14:17.47 | Sinbaddd | where do i configure this? |
| 14:17.48 | beardy | Sinbaddd: Does it get its IP address through dhcp? |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | beardy: so oldfolks have quite a bit more |
| 14:17.50 | petemc | Sinbaddd: try another nameserver |
| 14:17.56 | asg | Sinbaddd: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 14:18.09 | asg | abrotman: they wiped mine years ago and I had to start again |
| 14:18.17 | Sinbaddd | thanks...will check out that file |
| 14:18.41 | beardy | abrotman: I suppose. |
| 14:19.04 | jelly | !abrotman++ |
| 14:19.08 | jelly | !karma abrotman |
| 14:19.08 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 38 |
| 14:19.17 | jelly | at least I know the syntax now |
| 14:19.19 | beardy | Sinbaddd: If you do, it will be changed. |
| 14:19.39 | beardy | !karma asg |
| 14:19.39 | dpkg | asg has karma of 15 |
| 14:19.46 | beardy | :( |
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| 14:20.20 | Sinbaddd | but i can only use DNS of the server providers,right? |
| 14:21.01 | petemc | no, you can use any dns server you like |
| 14:21.03 | beardy | You can use whatever you like. Your providers DNS server might be down. |
| 14:21.11 | petemc | long as it does recursive queries |
| 14:21.30 | petemc | Sinbaddd: you can also run your own caching nameserver |
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| 14:22.23 | Sinbaddd | beardy so if i simply ping it, and it is down...it could be it? |
| 14:23.04 | Sinbaddd | a ping to the ip works. |
| 14:23.39 | asg | Sinbaddd: dig @<ip of nameserver> www.yahoo.com |
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| 14:23.57 | helo | if i dd an image to a flash drive, will it boot? |
| 14:24.11 | capiira_ | hi how can i reinstall an application with apt with config overwrite ? |
| 14:24.15 | nexxu | hi, how can I enter the apt mirror selection menu after installation ? |
| 14:24.20 | asg | capiira_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:24.29 | capiira_ | thx |
| 14:24.35 | liable | helo: unlikely if it has an initrd |
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| 14:24.51 | beardy | Sinbaddd: What asg said. The machine might still be up, but the DNS daemon might be dead, taken down temporarily, or something else. |
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| 14:25.39 | grendal_prime | what would cause a machine to reset the ip_forward in proc every time a machine is rebooted? |
| 14:25.40 | asg | Sinbaddd: and if you don't have 'dig', it's in the dnsutils package |
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| 14:26.05 | asg | grendal_prime: it does that by default unless you configure /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:26.05 | beardy | grendal_prime: The reboot. |
| 14:26.11 | Sinbaddd | what do i do with dig asg? configure my own server? |
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| 14:26.51 | asg | Sinbaddd: no, use it to verify that the nameserver you use is working |
| 14:26.51 | asg | Sinbaddd: dig @<ip of nameserver you use ... the bit in /etc/resolv.conf> www.yahoo.com |
| 14:27.05 | Sinbaddd | k..great |
| 14:27.26 | beardy | Sinbaddd: If you get an ip address next to "A", in the middle of the output, it is working. |
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| 14:27.56 | beardy | Sinbaddd: Under ANSWER SECTION |
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| 14:28.54 | Sinbaddd | beardy...asg? i am on leaseweb server |
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| 14:30.44 | beardy | Sinbaddd: And what is that? You mean you only have a user account on a webserver? |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | asg: it's not like you don't have any |
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| 14:32.53 | Sinbaddd | but how do install dig, if i have to dns access to servers in aptitude list |
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| 14:35.46 | beardy | Sinbaddd: Do you have 'host' installed? (in bind9-host) |
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| 14:38.33 | Sinbaddd | beardy /usr/bin/host ? |
| 14:38.35 | Sinbaddd | is there |
| 14:39.53 | beardy | Sinbaddd: Right, then do 'host www.yahoo.com <providers dns IP address>' |
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| 14:44.23 | zxd | occasionally my Natted traffic becomes sluggish and i have to flush with iptables for things to run again , what could be causing this , and how can i debug better? |
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| 14:45.38 | valdyn | zxd: whats sluggish? |
| 14:45.55 | zxd | valdyn, taking a long time to transfer data and connect |
| 14:45.57 | valdyn | zxd: does mtr or traceroute confirm that its your host that is making it sluggish? |
| 14:46.00 | zxd | sometimes times out |
| 14:46.19 | zxd | the problem is cleared once i clear the table |
| 14:46.22 | zxd | fixed |
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| 14:46.32 | valdyn | zxd: that does not makse sense at all |
| 14:46.47 | zxd | that's what happens , can't argue with facts |
| 14:47.04 | valdyn | zxd: it does not need to be directly linked |
| 14:47.17 | zxd | again , that's what happens |
| 14:47.22 | zxd | if you can provide an answer |
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| 14:47.31 | valdyn | zxd: do what i said |
| 14:47.47 | zxd | maybe my /etc/sysctl.conf settings have to do with the problem |
| 14:48.00 | zxd | it isn't slugish now |
| 14:48.22 | valdyn | zxd: well, you have to make it sluggish or wait till it becomes sluggish to diagnose |
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| 14:48.53 | zxd | how to diagnonse |
| 14:48.56 | zxd | traceroute? |
| 14:48.59 | valdyn | zxd: i told you. |
| 14:49.06 | zxd | you told me to do traceroute |
| 14:49.10 | valdyn | zxd: and show us the iptables --list |
| 14:49.10 | beardy | Sinbaddd: How did it go? |
| 14:49.15 | valdyn | zxd: yea |
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| 14:49.42 | zxd | valdyn, but i told you clearing iptables fixes it |
| 14:50.26 | zxd | valdyn, whyy |
| 14:51.07 | farion | hello, can bind9 redirect a subdomain to another server? |
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| 14:51.09 | valdyn | zxd: yes |
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| 14:51.09 | valdyn | zxd: why what? |
| 14:51.09 | zxd | valdyn, guess |
| 14:51.21 | valdyn | zxd: seriously, you want help, not me |
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| 14:51.33 | valdyn | zxd: if you want to play guess games , dont bother me |
| 14:51.36 | zxd | valdyn, you are not listening to what i say |
| 14:51.42 | zxd | you dont believe me |
| 14:52.03 | valdyn | zxd: maybe networking isnt as simple as you think |
| 14:52.17 | valdyn | zxd: i cant do anything without more information, like what i told you to get |
| 14:52.18 | BLah^^ | Why are the sun-java6-packets broken? |
| 14:52.26 | valdyn | zxd: though its actually "iptables -t nat --list" |
| 14:52.54 | zxd | valdyn, i told you the problem and what fixes the problem , my question is why it happens |
| 14:53.01 | zxd | valdyn, you told me to look for something else |
| 14:53.07 | jelly | mumbles about iptables-save, which displays all three tables |
| 14:53.08 | zxd | valdyn, as if my fix dosen't help at all |
| 14:53.15 | BLah^^ | when downloaded from backports.org |
| 14:53.16 | BLah^^ | or smth |
| 14:53.17 | valdyn | zxd: and i told you that i cannot tell you without more information |
| 14:54.00 | zxd | valdyn, you never experienced this before? |
| 14:54.19 | valdyn | zxd: nope |
| 14:54.27 | zxd | then you can't really help |
| 14:54.37 | valdyn | zxd: umm |
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| 14:54.53 | valdyn | zxd: not going to argue against that kind of logic |
| 14:54.57 | jelly | oh yes, because experts can only help with the exact same issue they'd already seen |
| 14:55.08 | zxd | now valdyn is an expert |
| 14:55.11 | zxd | ? |
| 14:55.47 | jelly | you're asking for help. He offered some. Presumably he has some knowledge in that area... |
| 14:55.57 | valdyn | zxd: the real point is that no one in this channel can help you without information |
| 14:55.58 | zxd | the guy told me to do a basic traceroute for crying out loud , and saying that an iptables flush isn't supposed to fix the problem |
| 14:56.04 | zxd | even though it didnt magically |
| 14:56.08 | zxd | did* |
| 14:56.27 | jelly | zxd: did you provide relevant (and complete) info? |
| 14:56.28 | streuner | ask somewhere else |
| 14:56.50 | cahoot | zxd: you recognize the differences between symptomatic and causal therapy? |
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| 14:56.54 | ak5 | what are some possible reasons for ping -i 0.5 -c 100 my.router.ip.address having packetloss between 25 and 75 % other than defect hardware? |
| 14:56.54 | streuner | they might help you with there crystal-thingie :-) |
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| 14:57.35 | jelly | cahoot: stop using the long confusing words and just give him his pain med |
| 14:57.35 | zxd | if i had more info myself i wouldnt be asking for help would i |
| 14:57.37 | idimmu | tape magnets around your cables to clean the packets as they pass through |
| 14:57.53 | idimmu | voila, no more packet loss! |
| 14:57.56 | cahoot | jelly: don't be sarcastic ;) |
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| 14:58.02 | ak5 | idimmu, yeah thx |
| 14:58.05 | ak5 | xD |
| 14:58.08 | idimmu | :) |
| 14:58.16 | BLah^^ | omfg |
| 14:58.18 | ak5 | idimmu, real help? |
| 14:58.28 | BLah^^ | Is there any chance to get sun-java6-jdk working in debian? |
| 14:58.38 | BLah^^ | because the packets seem to be broken |
| 14:58.49 | stew | BLah^^: why do they seem broken? |
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| 14:59.03 | BLah^^ | Because it says E: Packet broken |
| 14:59.07 | BLah^^ | when I try to install |
| 14:59.14 | stew | BLah^^: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:59.16 | Eulex | what does it say above that? |
| 14:59.27 | BLah^^ | also one debian-nerd tried to install them too |
| 14:59.31 | BLah^^ | but same prob |
| 14:59.43 | stew | BLah^^: show us the output of "aptitude -f install" |
| 14:59.54 | BLah^^ | k |
| 14:59.58 | idimmu | ak5 i dont know, but i know that defective hardware is _not_ the only reason |
| 15:00.02 | ak5 | anyone here using VIA VT86C100A [RHINE] Ethernet card? |
| 15:00.10 | BLah^^ | sec |
| 15:00.14 | BLah^^ | i gotta login to my shell |
| 15:00.34 | idimmu | defective drivers or congestion are just as likely ! |
| 15:00.43 | streuner | ak5: laptop? |
| 15:00.54 | ak5 | streuner, no, old desktop |
| 15:01.35 | BLah^^ | http://paste.debian.net/2692/ |
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| 15:02.24 | valdyn | ak5: "dmesg" showing anythign suspicous? |
| 15:02.26 | stew | BLah^^: that indicates that you have no broken packages currently. show us the command which shows a broken package |
| 15:02.28 | ak5 | I am really starting to think my hardware is borked, cause I have installed many different distros to check |
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| 15:03.12 | ak5 | valdyn, no, it says it found it no ipv6 routers are present, etc |
| 15:03.17 | ak5 | valdyn, basics |
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| 15:03.36 | ak5 | lpa 0x05E1 mean what though? |
| 15:04.04 | BLah^^ | http://paste.debian.net/2693/ |
| 15:04.04 | valdyn | ak5: like that? net0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 |
| 15:04.09 | valdyn | ak5: no error anyway |
| 15:04.09 | BLah^^ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/2693/ |
| 15:04.24 | valdyn | ak5: tried switching to a slower link mode? |
| 15:04.27 | ak5 | valdyn, yeah like that except my lpa is different |
| 15:04.31 | ak5 | valdyn, no, how? |
| 15:04.43 | valdyn | ak5: try mii-tool or ethtool |
| 15:04.47 | stew | BLah^^: we'd recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get, but try adding "-t etch-backports" |
| 15:05.02 | BLah^^ | to? |
| 15:05.08 | stew | BLah^^: and if that does't work, show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 sun-java6-jdk" |
| 15:05.09 | ak5 | valdyn, ok one sec I'll read the ethtool manpage |
| 15:05.15 | stew | BLah^^: to the command you are running |
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| 15:06.21 | BLah^^ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/2694/ |
| 15:06.54 | JyZyXEL | why are all the higher level GFX implementations always so custom |
| 15:07.09 | JyZyXEL | is it developing so fast that you cant simply have a standard |
| 15:07.24 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: what is a "GFX implementation" ? |
| 15:07.36 | JyZyXEL | well you know all the direct rendering stuff |
| 15:07.51 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: and what is "custom" about it? |
| 15:07.53 | JyZyXEL | all that shit required for advanced graphics like in games |
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| 15:08.02 | stew | BLah^^: oh, you have base-files installed (it is listed as kept back). this is an indication that this was a sarge install (the previous version of stable), which wasn't properly upgraded to etch (the current version of debian stable). you should complete this upgrade first, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:08.03 | JyZyXEL | well you always seem to need very spesific drivers |
| 15:08.18 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: like what? |
| 15:08.23 | drac | like opengl? |
| 15:08.29 | ak5 | valdyn, why does ethtool -s speed 10 eth0 say bad arguments? |
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| 15:08.43 | valdyn | ak5: because its ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 ? |
| 15:08.47 | BLah^^ | lol |
| 15:08.51 | valdyn | ak5: i only skimmed the manpage quickly |
| 15:08.52 | JyZyXEL | like i mean its so damn impossible to make 3D acceleration work in linux |
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| 15:08.55 | BLah^^ | "Are you using windows, BLah^^? |
| 15:08.56 | BLah^^ | So |
| 15:09.00 | BLah^^ | I gotta log in irssi |
| 15:09.01 | petemc | JyZyXEL: what standards are you comparing this to? you need different drivers for most devices |
| 15:09.10 | JyZyXEL | cause the GFX manufucturers don't give drivers |
| 15:09.11 | stew | dpkg: tell BLah^^ about sarge->etch |
| 15:09.20 | JyZyXEL | vesa always works tho |
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| 15:09.31 | BLah^^ | stew |
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| 15:09.35 | BLah^^ | I use vserver |
| 15:09.39 | JyZyXEL | why isn't there a standard like that for 3D acceleration |
| 15:09.40 | BLah^^ | so is it even possible to do so? |
| 15:09.53 | stew | BLah^^: yes |
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| 15:09.58 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: vesa is a "driver" on the bios |
| 15:10.05 | stew | BLah^^: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:10.06 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: vesa is a "driver" on the firmware of your card |
| 15:10.21 | BLah^^ | 2.6.24-16-xen |
| 15:10.27 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: its not any better, its just very simple, it does not do much at all |
| 15:10.30 | abrotman | say what? |
| 15:10.43 | BLah^^ | stew: 2.6.24-16-xen |
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| 15:11.09 | stew | BLah^^: that's fine. you should upgrade this to stable |
| 15:11.14 | ak5 | valdyn, lol 99% packetloss |
| 15:11.18 | JyZyXEL | is it some corporation thing again |
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| 15:11.29 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make in bash |
| 15:11.33 | valdyn | ak5: i dont know how your router will react to it |
| 15:11.33 | JyZyXEL | like patents and closed source and all that bullshit that makes this world a horrible place |
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| 15:11.45 | valdyn | ak5: maybe you have to switch it off on or replug the cable or uh, i dont know |
| 15:11.45 | HardDisk_WP | that renice -20 `pidof gcc-4.1` |
| 15:11.48 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ask #bash |
| 15:12.04 | asg | while true ; do blah ; sleep 30 ; done |
| 15:12.41 | ak5 | valdyn, yeah this sucks I think my card is broken |
| 15:12.55 | valdyn | ak5: would be good if you could check the same things on the router side, but i cant help you with that custom device.. |
| 15:13.03 | BLah^^ | stew: Well, If I don't know what one chipset this has? |
| 15:13.12 | ak5 | valdyn, I'll pick up a new one for 10 bucks before I break my head over it |
| 15:13.20 | ak5 | valdyn, thx for your help |
| 15:13.21 | valdyn | ak5: sure |
| 15:13.23 | stew | BLah^^: you don't need to know. why are you wondering? |
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| 15:13.32 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, k |
| 15:13.35 | BLah^^ | because in that release notes thing |
| 15:13.36 | HardDisk_WP | asg, thanks |
| 15:13.39 | ak5 | valdyn, any suggestions for an ethcard reputed to work well? |
| 15:13.44 | BLah^^ | there's Alpha, AMD64, etc |
| 15:13.51 | BLah^^ | so I don't know what one to choose :p |
| 15:14.22 | stew | BLah^^: i386 |
| 15:14.43 | stew | BLah^^: (dpkg-architecture would tell you, but its likely to be either i386 or amd64) |
| 15:14.49 | valdyn | ak5: intel etherexpress? i dont know, i havent had severe issues with any |
| 15:14.55 | stew | BLah^^: and you'll want to start at chapter 4 |
| 15:15.02 | ak5 | valdyn, ok thx man cya |
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| 15:15.14 | iateadonut | anyone ever used opie? particularly on a hp1910? |
| 15:15.18 | BLah^^ | so it's amd64.. |
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| 15:16.55 | asg | iateadonut: opie as in one-time passwords? |
| 15:16.55 | BLah^^ | stew: Is it safe? Because I live 800km from the computer I'm upgrading |
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| 15:17.10 | woden1 | How do I get wireless working? |
| 15:17.34 | iateadonut | opie as in the debian-based operating system on handhelds. |
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| 15:17.56 | streuner | woden1: what chipset? |
| 15:18.10 | woden1 | streuner: oops, I don't know. |
| 15:18.12 | stew | BLah^^: the lesat safe part of the procedure is upgrading the kernel and rebooting, and you'll be doing neither of those |
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| 15:18.18 | stew | BLah^^: so yes, it should be safe |
| 15:18.32 | BLah^^ | stew: Lol, I'd like to have from command to command tutorial.. |
| 15:18.41 | BLah^^ | stew: because I'm new to debian.. |
| 15:19.13 | woden1 | streuner: I think Intel® Wireless Wi-Fi Link 4965 network |
| 15:19.30 | woden1 | streuner: It's an Intel Centrino laptop. |
| 15:19.47 | streuner | woden1: exact model? |
| 15:19.47 | Bushmills | iateadonut: there was a guy on #handhelds, asking an opie question. thus " anyone ever used": positively yes. him. |
| 15:20.17 | streuner | woden1: exact model? (laptop) |
| 15:20.27 | woden1 | streuner: Gateway P-6831FX |
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| 15:21.38 | stew | BLah^^: that is what chapter 4 is |
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| 15:21.59 | woden1 | streuner: Here's the page I bought it from: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8651167&st=Gateway+P-6831FX&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1195599780039 |
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| 15:22.06 | lea_w | I just downgraded a package using "apt-get install lsb-base=3.2*". How do I get it back to the latest version? |
| 15:22.16 | sandman | Is there a fair visual X configuration tool? |
| 15:22.37 | woden1 | streuner: Specifications on that page say: Built-in high-speed Intel® Wireless Wi-Fi Link 4965 network connection (802.11a/g/n) |
| 15:22.47 | streuner | woden1: find out what chiptset you have (lspci -v) and find a driver for it (use google or/and groups.google.com) |
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| 15:23.08 | Bushmills | sandman: yes. they are called "editors" |
| 15:23.17 | streuner | woden1: if the chipset isn't supported use ndiswrapper (tool to use windows driver for linux) |
| 15:23.26 | BLah^^ | stew: Well, let's try.. |
| 15:23.30 | BLah^^ | stew: and hope it works |
| 15:23.32 | iateadonut | Bushmills: I apologize for my poor grammar and not thought out question. |
| 15:23.54 | Bushmills | iateadonut: i hope my answer helped |
| 15:23.59 | woden1 | streuner: lspci -v shows the wireless chip. Does Debian have one for the 4965? |
| 15:24.00 | BLah^^ | stew: should I backup? |
| 15:24.16 | stew | BLah^^: daily |
| 15:24.23 | streuner | woden1: show us the output in paste.debian.net |
| 15:24.28 | BLah^^ | stew: with command..? |
| 15:24.44 | stew | BLah^^: what do you mean? |
| 15:24.50 | roe_ | what is the average time period a relatively stable package will stay in unstable before making it to lenny? |
| 15:24.55 | BLah^^ | stew: to backup |
| 15:25.04 | stew | BLah^^: do you normally not do any backups at all? |
| 15:25.35 | BLah^^ | stew: I've used only ubuntu before, and that in my home |
| 15:25.45 | BLah^^ | stew: and haven't had any problems yet. |
| 15:25.46 | twobitwork | what's the debian way to have a module loaded at boot? |
| 15:25.59 | woden1 | streuner: http:/paste.debian.net/2698/ |
| 15:26.03 | stew | twobitwork: man 5 modules |
| 15:26.12 | BLah^^ | stew: I've hosted(and I'm hosting) many servers with it |
| 15:26.14 | woden1 | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/2698 |
| 15:26.18 | BLah^^ | stew: and no problems |
| 15:26.26 | lea_w | BLah^^: Depends on where you make your backup. cp can do fine, or rsync. I'm using tar + lzop + gpg + cadaver to upload my backups on a WebDAV. |
| 15:26.36 | twobitwork | stew: thanks |
| 15:26.41 | Bushmills | backups are a waste of storage space. just type all you have written in again, configure everything the way it was before, and have a good memory of what is lost, then you never need any backup. |
| 15:26.57 | Bushmills | jst takes a bit of time |
| 15:26.58 | Bushmills | just |
| 15:27.10 | BLah^^ | stew: and all I've done to that computer what im updating now, is that I've uploaded one folder there |
| 15:27.12 | stew | Bushmills: backups are not a waste of storage space, stop |
| 15:27.30 | stew | BLah^^: if the machine contains information that you would care if you lost, then you should be doing regular backups |
| 15:27.33 | idimmu | real men let other people mirror their backups a la torvalds :) |
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| 15:28.07 | Bushmills | stew, what does one need a backup for if he can remember everything and just enter it again? |
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| 15:28.23 | streuner | dpkg listvals 4965 |
| 15:28.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4965' by value (1): iwlwifi. |
| 15:28.39 | streuner | woden1: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 15:28.41 | idimmu | Bushmills: a £50 hdd is worth less than a couple of hours of my time rebuilding .. |
| 15:29.00 | Bushmills | idimmu: yeah, of *your* time |
| 15:29.01 | stew | Bushmills: please just stop. you are either trying to be intentionally misleading or cute, in any case, this is potentially harmful |
| 15:29.01 | idimmu | i guess it depends on how much you value your time and/or downtime |
| 15:29.09 | Bushmills | but evidently not of the time of those not making backups |
| 15:29.39 | Bushmills | stew, i thought it was evident that my reasoning was sort of absurd |
| 15:29.50 | streuner | woden1: check out wiki.debian.org as well, i think there is a HOWTO or such, IIRC |
| 15:30.03 | woden1 | streuner: I just typed modprobe iwl4965, now what? |
| 15:30.32 | idimmu | woden1: happy dance? |
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| 15:30.46 | streuner | use your brain? |
| 15:30.53 | woden1 | lol |
| 15:30.58 | idimmu | oh oh oh i know |
| 15:31.01 | idimmu | press the enter key |
| 15:31.22 | woden1 | So do I have to type modprobe iwl4965 every time I turn on the laptop and boot into Debian? |
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| 15:31.40 | idimmu | you could stick it in /etc/modules |
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| 15:31.51 | idimmu | then it should get loaded at boot time |
| 15:32.11 | sandman | Bushmills: I see. I was mostly wondering about a graphical configuration tool, but I suppose text editing will do. |
| 15:32.12 | streuner | woden1: what did we told you before? |
| 15:32.27 | streuner | woden1: scroll up and re-read that |
| 15:32.50 | woden1 | streuner: you mean the HOWTO? |
| 15:33.07 | streuner | woden1: search at wiki.debian.org -> http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi?highlight=%28iwlwifi%29 |
| 15:33.16 | Bushmills | sandman: graphical, as in running under X? there are editors doing that. |
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| 15:34.06 | Bushmills | sandman: the configuration files contain text, not pictures. so there is no absolute need for an editor to support pictures. |
| 15:34.07 | woden1 | streuner: why does apt-cache search firmware-iwlwifi show no result? |
| 15:34.19 | sandman | Bushmills: lol I recall there being an xf86cfg or something of that nature that was graphical |
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| 15:34.58 | streuner | woden1: read the instructions at wiki.debian.org :-) |
| 15:35.10 | streuner | woden1: it will answer your question ;-) |
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| 15:36.08 | dam85 | hello |
| 15:36.08 | woden1 | streuner: I *really* don't want to add non-free repo...........what is the benefit of the firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 15:36.37 | streuner | make the NIC to work? |
| 15:36.48 | dam85 | i bought a webcam, now i can see the video...but how can i set color/shadow wtc etc ? is there a specific program? |
| 15:37.32 | woden1 | streuner: it says the iwlwifi driver (iwl4965) is open-source, so why would I need to install this "firmware-iwlwifi"? what is the "firmware"? |
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| 15:38.03 | streuner | woden1: piece of software which isn't free in terms of DFSG |
| 15:38.19 | liable | woden1: the driver is open source, but it requires firmware, which in old cards, was stored in its eeprom |
| 15:38.35 | liable | woden1: its a cost cutting measure |
| 15:38.49 | sandman | Well, here's what I'd like to do: setup Dualview between my CRT and TV-Out. I understand this means I must setup two devices (one with the TV-Out options for the card, etc) and two screens. Is this accurate? |
| 15:39.05 | sandman | And, if I want to be able to move my mouse between the CRT and the Television, I must use Xinerama. |
| 15:39.16 | sandman | So I'll need a Xinerama configuration section of xorg.conf, as well. |
| 15:39.25 | woden1 | liable: so the firmware isn't open source? |
| 15:39.32 | hjb | Hi. I have used exim4-config to configure my exim4-daemon-light as " mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" |
| 15:40.03 | dam85 | ?? |
| 15:40.10 | hjb | Normally, it works well (haven't noticed anything strange), but now i've discovered something: |
| 15:40.17 | liable | woden1: no, due to (stupid) fcc regs which state that radios shouldnt be able to have more power than n |
| 15:41.05 | stew | sandman: its not true that you must use Xinerama in order to move the mouse between CRT and television |
| 15:41.07 | woden1 | liable: so how do I know that this "firmware" isn't an Intel backdoor so the NSA can snoop my data? |
| 15:41.17 | hjb | When i have a .forward at my homedir redirecting local mails to another address, when it arrives, it has a To: header composed of my local username and the domain name of the smarthost |
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| 15:41.20 | stew | woden1: you don't |
| 15:41.27 | hjb | What's wrong here? |
| 15:41.29 | liable | woden1: you dont. how do you know your bios doesnt either? |
| 15:41.31 | woden1 | that's why I have non-free |
| 15:41.52 | sandman | stew: Oh |
| 15:41.55 | woden1 | liable: good point, my bios actually does have some lojack crap that tries to copy a file to Windows. Luckily I don't have Windows on it. |
| 15:42.00 | sandman | stew: What about to move applications between the screens? |
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| 15:42.08 | liable | woden1: how do you know that any chip which has built in firmware doesnt have a backdoor? |
| 15:42.11 | stew | sandman: multiple screens configured in xorg.conf |
| 15:42.15 | dam85 | ? |
| 15:42.28 | woden1 | liable: we need open-source hardware :) |
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| 15:42.30 | sandman | stew: That's all? |
| 15:42.33 | stew | sandman: yes |
| 15:42.43 | liable | woden1: never going to happen unfortunately |
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| 15:43.09 | woden1 | liable: well at least an open-source BIOS |
| 15:43.26 | abrotman | liable: the specs are there .. just not the production |
| 15:43.39 | stew | woden1: if you had full control over your wireless, you'd also be able to make it do illegal things like use it out of band, use it with too much power, or use it (for instance) as a jamming device, which is why intel is not going to be legally able to give you full control any time soon |
| 15:43.46 | liable | woden1: even an open source bios doesnt get around cpu microcode.. |
| 15:43.52 | sandman | stew: Oh, do I need two monitor sections then, as well? |
| 15:43.58 | stew | sandman: yes |
| 15:44.04 | sandman | stew: Gawd, sorry for the response times here, my cat won't leave me alone |
| 15:44.30 | sandman | stew: Walking on my keyboard, etc. He's been doing this ever since I started trying to research stuff. I swear he Knows. |
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| 15:45.07 | woden1 | liable;stew: I wonder why Ubuntu works out of the box with my wireless chip? Are they shipping with the non-open-source firmware? |
| 15:45.12 | stew | sandman: xinerama is still something you might want depending on your xorg verison. xinerama is the thing that lets you treat the two monitors as one screen instead of 2. and without it, you might not be able to easily move a window from one screen to the other |
| 15:45.24 | liable | woden1: which chip? intel iwl? |
| 15:45.33 | woden1 | liable: yep. worked right out of the box with ubuntu |
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| 15:45.40 | stew | woden1: yes, ubuntu is shipping non-free software |
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| 15:46.03 | dam85 | ?? |
| 15:46.09 | liable | woden1: yes, they ship non-fre firmware in the live cd, which then installs the system |
| 15:46.13 | dam85 | nobody uses webcams? |
| 15:46.32 | sandman | stew: I think I'll end up wanting that |
| 15:46.55 | sandman | stew: Basically this is just for movies. I'd like to be able to watch movies with my wife-to-be on demand in the other room, using this computer |
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| 15:47.32 | stew | this being one major difference to the end user between ubuntu and debian, where debian gives up convenience to try to remain 100% free, and ubuntu is willing to not be 100% free to be more convenient |
| 15:47.35 | sandman | stew: Using xinerama, may I still use fullscreen options for, say, mplayer, and have it only occupy one screen? |
| 15:47.55 | stew | sandman: it depends on the application to be xinerama aware. many will be, including mplayer |
| 15:47.57 | sandman | Yeah, and btw, stew, that's the reason I stick to Debian and not Ubuntu =) |
| 15:48.12 | woden1 | stew;liable: is there an open-source package that supports WPA2? That's what my router uses. |
| 15:48.18 | sandman | Exactly the freedom issue. But thank you for that info, I'll start writing out my xconfig |
| 15:48.29 | mns | What are my options for a FTP server if I want to have sftp support ? |
| 15:48.30 | stew | woden1: yes, wpasupplicant |
| 15:48.30 | liable | woden1: yes, wpasupplicant |
| 15:49.02 | Bushmills | mns: sftp is provided by a subsystem of sshd, not by ftp servers |
| 15:49.13 | woden1 | jinx! drink a coke. |
| 15:49.37 | woden1 | sweet, wireless working :) thanks stew and liable. |
| 15:49.48 | streuner | hm |
| 15:50.09 | sandman | Am I right in thinking that "screen" could, in theory, be a security issue, if someone were to keep subscreens open in rootmode, even though the screen session itself is run as a non-root user? |
| 15:50.54 | Bushmills | sandman: not really .. one still needs a login - and that's where the security issue is. |
| 15:50.56 | sandman | Like they run screen as "someuser", and in screen 1 they always have aptitude up and running as root. This way, if someone were to acquire access to their account, all they'd have to do is screen -d && screen -r to get root access |
| 15:51.20 | stew | sandman: its not something particular to screen. its that when you give a user access to root, his account becomes as important to protect as the root account |
| 15:51.30 | mns | Bushmills: yes but that subsystem doesn't allow for access control, etc. as far as I can tell. What I need is secure ftp with access control which is granular enough to say directory X is for users a, b, c and directory Y is for user F, and so on and so forth. |
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| 15:51.52 | idimmu | mns can't you just do that with group permissions? |
| 15:51.53 | woden1 | What is a default keyring? It's asking me to choose a password. |
| 15:52.13 | Bushmills | mns: normal file- und dir permissions apply to sftp connections |
| 15:52.14 | sandman | stew: So perhaps it would be best to have gnome, for instance, never remember the "root password" for a session or whatever. And in addition, perhaps sudo should be thrown out, too? |
| 15:52.25 | sandman | stew: And of course, the screen issue must be considered. |
| 15:52.32 | stew | sandman: and its safe to make the assumption that if some resourceful attacker gets access to any user account, they would able to use it to escalate to root privileges |
| 15:52.45 | idimmu | sandman: there is a difference between being paranoid and making a system unusable |
| 15:52.49 | sandman | I'm only asking all this stuff because I have an interest in doing webserving, so I apologize if I'm really bothering anybody here, I know I'm asking weird questions |
| 15:53.38 | Bushmills | sandman: don't enable logins to the webserver - except maybe key based logins to very select people, like yourself. |
| 15:54.08 | stew | sandman: sudo is good in that you can use it to give out very controlled access to root instead of giving someone all of root when they only need limited acess. if you are sufficiently paranoid you can turn off the caching of user passwords by sudo |
| 15:54.08 | idimmu | scponly is also your friend |
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| 15:54.13 | sandman | Bushmills: That makes sense. Well, I only have one computer, so maybe I ought to consider VServer |
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| 15:54.27 | Bushmills | sandman: if you need user logins for no matter what, give them on a different machine which is put aside for only that purpose |
| 15:54.50 | sandman | Bushmills: That makes sense. This way I can retain usability while at the same time being safe (paranoid?) =) |
| 15:56.06 | Bushmills | sandman: you would probably also want to have a look at vpn software such as openvpn - these can replace logins in many cases. |
| 15:56.21 | sandman | Bushmills: **writes this down** |
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| 15:57.41 | extor | Ok so my system load has shot up to 50 right now running apache2.2 with mod_php5. Realistically if I had lighty/fastcgi would I be at 25? 1? Or still 50? |
| 15:57.55 | mns | Bushmills, idimmu: Not everyone has accounts on my system, a lot of people are from other groups outside of my department, and I don't want to maintain another user/group system when we've got the corp LDAP servers to which we need to authenticate. Also, if the person doesn't have permission for something, we don't want them to see it either. |
| 15:58.02 | sandman | extor: Doesn't system load depend much on the system configuration? |
| 15:58.25 | extor | yeah..it also depends on how many people are pounding your web server..and how efficient your server is |
| 15:58.28 | Bushmills | mns, i am sorry but that is what sftp is - a ssh subsystem |
| 15:59.00 | sandman | extor: Have you considered using a caching system? Like memcached? |
| 15:59.11 | sandman | extor: I'm not sure if memcached will work for your purposes, however. My experience with it is limited. |
| 15:59.15 | Bushmills | mns, there is scponly which limits what a user can do to scp/sftp, but not ssh logins |
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| 16:00.01 | Iradieh | Bushmills: well if he SCP he only got access to his own home folder, what do you want to limit there? |
| 16:00.04 | westside | I made the move from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 and it seems ieee1394 support is different the ieee1394 drivers directory is gone and the config has CONFIG_IEEE1394 commented out and in it's place CONFIG_FIREWIRE |
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| 16:00.08 | extor | hmmm how can I benchmark and trace my system...to see where the bottlenecks are? |
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| 16:00.19 | westside | does the firewire driver support dv ? |
| 16:00.32 | westside | where can I read about these changes? |
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| 16:00.57 | Bushmills | Iradieh: that's only the case if not proceded with / or /path |
| 16:00.57 | westside | I want to get my MiniDV firewire transfers working again |
| 16:01.04 | sandman | What is the difference between twinview and dualview? Is twinview just where the resolutions of the two display devices are the same? |
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| 16:02.50 | Bushmills | Iradieh: try scp -r server.domain:/usr/local/bin/* . |
| 16:02.56 | Juventino | helllo |
| 16:03.13 | Juventino | does anyone have an experience with a TwinHan DVB-S card on etch here? |
| 16:03.22 | Juventino | cause i'm having a hard time getting it to work |
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| 16:04.48 | Bushmills | Iradieh: besides, scponly limits to not allowing ssh logins. wouldn't you agree that it increases security when disallowing logins? |
| 16:05.10 | Juventino | guys? anyone? lol |
| 16:05.15 | darius12 | is there any irc channel for NetworkManager? |
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| 16:06.13 | darius12 | it seems the latest networkmanager 0.7 has some changes that makes me unable to get it to work. In particular it tries (without success) to start a system-settings daemon |
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| 16:07.03 | Juventino | hmm |
| 16:07.32 | abrotman | darius12: checked the documentation ? |
| 16:07.42 | darius12 | I 'm trying to find it |
| 16:07.50 | westside | ugh re: firewire -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436267 |
| 16:07.56 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/<foo>/ |
| 16:08.25 | Iradieh | Bushmills: I thought you wanted to allow ssh logins |
| 16:09.00 | Bushmills | Iradieh: no. mns asked for an ftp server supporting sftp ... |
| 16:09.12 | darius12 | abrotman: README.Debian there does not say anything interesting |
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| 16:09.33 | darius12 | what I want to know is what is this system-settings daemon in NM 0.7 |
| 16:09.34 | samuel-away | hello all |
| 16:10.38 | samuel | does fetchmail deliver to the MTA (exim) or does it try to deliver itself to the local mailbox? |
| 16:10.38 | darius12 | hmm, I found something in the fedora wiki. |
| 16:10.49 | Juventino | guys how can i get a bt878 TV tuner to work on ETCH? |
| 16:10.55 | Bushmills | samuel: it's a resender, i.e. to smtp |
| 16:12.00 | samuel | Bushmills: thanks, so exim must be available on smtp to deliver locally |
| 16:12.02 | samuel | ? |
| 16:12.17 | Bushmills | samuel: not necessarily - you can resend to a remote smtp server |
| 16:12.38 | Bushmills | provided that remote server can carry mail for local users |
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| 16:13.26 | samuel | Bushmills: ok thanks; so...... if fetchmail is receiving then the problem probably lies with exim |
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| 16:14.14 | Bushmills | probably. or in the specification of recipient email address in fetchmail config |
| 16:14.17 | [Pujol] | return to the northern hemisphere |
| 16:14.32 | samuel | Bushmills: fetmailconfig i know is ok |
| 16:14.37 | [Pujol] | now it is winter 1988, and i promised myself that i would never again live near the equator |
| 16:14.39 | samuel | im pretty sure its exim |
| 16:14.57 | [Pujol] | the heat fries my brains, i become lethargic, i cannot get the extra energy to do things |
| 16:15.21 | [Pujol] | i cannot muster myself, i have no pep, no extra energy that i had while in northern temperate climates |
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| 16:15.35 | Iradieh | Bushmills: I was thinking of putting out a server that would give people free shells :) 50 mb storage :) with PHP5, mysql and Phpmyadmin. Also the choice of using irssi or psybnc (just 1) but I would need a online registration complete with "tests" email activation, a quiz that you have read FAQ then at last acceptance of two members in the IRC channel (like vouch for) and at last accepteded by me (I get a email when he |
| 16:15.37 | [Pujol] | i have to make it in canada or if that does not work, then finally start all over again in the usa |
| 16:15.38 | Bushmills | [Pujol]: have a glass of ginger beer |
| 16:16.01 | [Pujol] | i will go to canada and try to live there permanently but i think they will be xenophobic as once before when i had graduated from uc and wanted to travel through canada but was turned back by the canadian border official |
| 16:16.15 | debian- | Iradieh: Me want! |
| 16:16.21 | [Pujol] | as xenophobic as the spring-summer in 1972 when i wanted to travel through canada from sault ste |
| 16:16.24 | Iradieh | debian-: to code or a shell :) ? |
| 16:16.37 | [Pujol] | marie and they turned me back at the border because i did not emphatically say no, i will not look for work in canada |
| 16:16.41 | debian- | Iradieh: A shell |
| 16:16.52 | [Pujol] | i was a brand new college graduate and would finally spend the summer working in estes park |
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| 16:17.16 | Iradieh | debian-: haha =) hold on, I am not starting the project until end of August ;) also it will be 2 computers (both with c2d and 4 gig each) running debian on a 100/100 mbit connection |
| 16:17.18 | [Pujol] | i mentally prepared myself for another likely canada repeat red-tape, not allowed to work, not really welcomed |
| 16:17.39 | [Pujol] | but from my earlier experience i will know better by giving appeasing answers to every question |
| 16:17.43 | debian- | Iradieh: 4gig ram? |
| 16:17.48 | Bushmills | Iradieh: part of your earlier message was dropped |
| 16:17.54 | [Pujol] | if they pester me and not make it easy then i will have to go back to the usa and go directly to signal mtn lodge in the tetons for another summer |
| 16:17.59 | Iradieh | Bushmills: what part? |
| 16:18.02 | Bushmills | Iradieh: (I get a email when he |
| 16:18.06 | Bushmills | that's the end |
| 16:18.09 | Iradieh | debian-: yeah.. .will also host game and ventrilo servers for people (this will all be free) |
| 16:18.12 | [Pujol] | the tetons are my last hope whenever i am stranded for a home |
| 16:18.25 | debian- | Iradieh: Like counter-strike? |
| 16:18.29 | [Pujol] | if all else goes wrong, head for the tetons, there is a ready home plus easy employment, and i can build up my cash supply |
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| 16:18.37 | Iradieh | (I get a email when he gets two vouches) do you know anyone who would code that for free :D ? |
| 16:18.44 | Iradieh | debian-: correct and maybe CS:S |
| 16:18.48 | [Pujol] | i exited grand cayman on 2feb1988 airplaning to london |
| 16:19.06 | debian- | Iradieh: For free= |
| 16:19.12 | [Pujol] | i will try to live in canada |
| 16:19.20 | Iradieh | debian-: correct, shell, ventrilo, game servers :) |
| 16:19.27 | debian- | Iradieh: Why? |
| 16:19.30 | Iradieh | game-servers will be "book" only.. you book a time when you need them. |
| 16:19.36 | [Pujol] | i will live at the farm in prince albert, sasketchewan the owner of which was the owner of the apartment i rented while in the caymans |
| 16:19.38 | Iradieh | debian-: I got the cash and the access =) |
| 16:19.50 | Iradieh | Prince Albert,,, piercing? |
| 16:19.51 | [Pujol] | i was friends with this canadian farm couple, both he and his wife were very hard workers |
| 16:19.55 | debian- | Iradieh: Can I run CSS server on 600mhz duron? |
| 16:20.06 | [Pujol] | they offered me a place to live in their farmhouse in canada |
| 16:20.09 | Bushmills | Iradieh: why ventrilo, and not something, say, SIP based? |
| 16:20.25 | debian- | Bushmills: Gamers use ventrilo |
| 16:20.26 | [Pujol] | i shipped my duffle bags from cayman to sasketchewan |
| 16:20.44 | [Pujol] | any northern cold climate place was desirous to me, and here i had an immediate place to go and it was close to the usa if things do not work out |
| 16:20.45 | Bushmills | yes, or teamspeak, server also not free. |
| 16:21.00 | [Pujol] | i bought a one-way ticket to europe with final destination montreal, canada |
| 16:21.04 | HardDisk_WP | whats the email address to send debian bug reports to? |
| 16:21.07 | Bushmills | afaik, there is not even a linux client for ventrilo |
| 16:21.15 | [Pujol] | but before i go to canada i want to see my birthplace since i am airplaning to the far north, i may as well make some side-trips since the airfare is not much more |
| 16:21.35 | [Pujol] | i want to get a hold of my birth certificate |
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| 16:21.55 | [Pujol] | this is my first trip back to arzberg, germany since i departed in 1955 with my parents |
| 16:21.58 | hjb | Where can i find documentation about the logfile messages exim4 creates? |
| 16:22.06 | Bushmills | [Pujol]: avoid heathrow |
| 16:22.10 | [Pujol] | i airplaned to london and saw the pretty parliament building |
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| 16:22.34 | [Pujol] | i got a ferry ticket to cross the channel and a rail ticket to travel through germany |
| 16:22.54 | debian- | Iradieh: You have 100mb connections? |
| 16:22.58 | [Pujol] | i spent most of my time on the rails |
| 16:23.15 | [Pujol] | i wanted a long sleep but i was not willing to pay to sleep in any accommodation for i had a limited amount of cash with no way of getting more cash unless i sold one of my platinum wafers |
| 16:23.37 | [Pujol] | so most of the time through germany was spent on the train |
| 16:23.43 | Iradieh | debian-: gonna get in august :) |
| 16:23.46 | Bushmills | [Pujol]: anything debian specific, too? |
| 16:23.52 | [Pujol] | i saw the koeln dom, ie the cologne cathedral |
| 16:24.07 | Iradieh | Bushmills: well many people want Ventrilo (gamers) and I dont want empty servers :) |
| 16:24.17 | [Pujol] | and in koeln i needed to change money |
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| 16:24.31 | [Pujol] | i went to a bank teller and changed usa, british, and belgian money to german |
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| 16:24.51 | [Pujol] | i had figured it out in my head in a flash how much approximately i would get back |
| 16:24.57 | stew | [Pujol]: pleaes try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 16:24.57 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any package to make bandwidth throttling per ip easy on Debian? |
| 16:24.59 | asg | [Pujol]: perhaps #pujols-romp-around-the-world-for-those-who-care would be a better channel |
| 16:25.01 | stew | [Pujol]: and keep this channel on-topic |
| 16:25.14 | [Pujol] | and i considered that german proficiency would be good at this task, but as soon as the bank clerk gave me the german money i knew he had slighted me short of about 50 marks |
| 16:25.22 | Bushmills | i think that's a bot |
| 16:25.23 | stew | [Pujol]: do you ahve a debian related question? |
| 16:25.27 | the-dude | _ZeuZ_: shorewall can do that |
| 16:25.34 | stew | _ZeuZ_: have a look at the wondershaper package |
| 16:25.34 | [Pujol] | i immediately protested before i left the banking window but he said for me to stand aside and wait till the line was empty |
| 16:25.37 | asg | Bushmills: it gets harder and harder to tell these days |
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| 16:25.55 | stew | [Pujol]: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it on-topic in the fugure |
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| 16:26.50 | debian- | Iradieh: send me a mail at iradieh@energymail.net when you start |
| 16:26.51 | _ZeuZ_ | stew: wondershaper does not allow me to shape a determinated ammount of bandwidth per IP on my network... Just try to adjust QoS itself... |
| 16:27.04 | stew | _ZeuZ_: right |
| 16:27.06 | _ZeuZ_ | the-dude: Will check... |
| 16:27.08 | Iradieh | debian-: no I am not seind out emails -_- |
| 16:27.16 | _ZeuZ_ | stew: and that's not what I need xD |
| 16:27.20 | Iradieh | debian-: you just have to keep a lookout in this channel I will prob ask for help |
| 16:27.36 | debian- | Iradieh: You will be here when it is ready? |
| 16:27.46 | debian- | Iradieh: My regular nick is debian |
| 16:27.48 | Iradieh | debian-: you are not getting any rights to actually run anything except upload/Download files of a limit of 50-100mb and runnig irssi in screen |
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| 16:28.03 | Iradieh | then we have php/mysql/phpmyadmin |
| 16:28.16 | Iradieh | the reason I am giving this out free is for coders who want some place to store their stuff without paying |
| 16:28.16 | debian- | Iradieh: I need a irc box |
| 16:28.35 | Iradieh | debian-: that is cool too, but I won't give you anything unless you are a coder/learning to code php/sql |
| 16:28.42 | Iradieh | irssi is just a bonus :) |
| 16:28.48 | BubbaT | Quick question. Now that I have learned the basics of iptables, what is a good firewall package to use--one small print server/firewall box routing for a couple of machines. |
| 16:28.52 | debian- | Iradieh: I am learing to learn PhP |
| 16:29.07 | Iradieh | learning to learn... what the hell is that supposed to mean -_-? |
| 16:29.12 | debian- | Iradieh: Working on making a Mud game, text and turn based |
| 16:29.21 | the-dude | BubbaT: shorewall |
| 16:29.27 | debian- | Iradieh: I am learning to write php. |
| 16:29.43 | Iradieh | debian-: cool, we can store it on my box when you are done :) sure just hang around here during august and you might skip the whole registrating process. |
| 16:30.02 | BubbaT | the-dude, shorewall or shorewall-lite? |
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| 16:30.16 | the-dude | BubbaT: that's up 2 you |
| 16:30.18 | BubbaT | the-dude, I get the feeling that shorewall itself is meant for heavy networks. |
| 16:30.19 | debian- | Iradieh: By then I will have a quite working beta. |
| 16:30.46 | the-dude | BubbaT: small or large both not very hard |
| 16:30.59 | the-dude | BubbaT: otherwise apt-cache search firewall and pic one |
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| 16:31.45 | valdyn | BubbaT: no |
| 16:31.55 | valdyn | BubbaT: shorewall is what you want |
| 16:31.59 | jome | If I stash a symlink to a shell script in /etc/cron.hourly, will it be executed as the owner of the script? Or what does the /etc/crontab execute as? I'm having problems getting a script run (it's in /root, if that matters). |
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| 16:32.17 | valdyn | BubbaT: the package descritions suck, but ig et the feeling that shorewall-lite is shorewall without the rule compiler |
| 16:32.48 | meeero | scripts in /etc/cron.d/ are being executed as if they were in /etc/crontab, true? so a file in there, having "SHELL=/bin/sh <newline> 0-59/1 * * * * root command...should be executed every minute, true? |
| 16:33.00 | debian- | Iradieh: Will it have cron? |
| 16:33.03 | neighborlee | morn,hi , Im having trouble trying to get usb to mount readwrite ( ntfs yes),,Im suppose to need to go back to widnows and force 'check' it, but Im wondering : in xp when I access it, I get zero errors so is this a bug here or wth is going on;))) |
| 16:33.09 | valdyn | BubbaT: you want shorewall-perl imo |
| 16:33.28 | Iradieh | debian-: dunno what cron is, editor? |
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| 16:33.49 | debian- | Iradieh: Crontab, like schedueled tasks in windows |
| 16:34.02 | stew | meeero: true, as long as the filename is compliant with run-parts |
| 16:34.15 | meeero | stew: what do you mean? |
| 16:34.28 | debian- | Should I do a dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:34.34 | Iradieh | debian-: ah dunno I havent giving it out much thought yet... doing some tests in VmWare on my mac |
| 16:34.36 | debian- | To get sid? |
| 16:34.45 | stew | meeero: i mean it is true, however there are filenames which that file could have that would make the file ignored |
| 16:34.58 | debian- | Iradieh: I think it would be a lot faster on native debian. |
| 16:34.59 | stew | debian-: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
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| 16:35.15 | meeero | it's called cctl.crn |
| 16:35.19 | Iradieh | debian-: yeah as I said.. just doing some TESTS. |
| 16:35.21 | meeero | s/crn/cron |
| 16:35.27 | stew | meeero: then it would be ignored. "man run-parts" |
| 16:35.37 | stew | debian-: 'native debian'? as opposed to what? |
| 16:35.40 | debian- | Iradieh: You dont have the server yet? |
| 16:35.50 | debian- | stew: Virtualized debian. |
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| 16:36.00 | [Pujol] | perhaps he was riffling the deck or some other mechanical cheating? some mechanic trick such that i got a very good hand under minimum staying requirements but he riffled a better hand to someone else or his ally |
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| 16:36.30 | debian- | stew: Make up your mind :P |
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| 16:36.57 | Bushmills | debian-: why would you want to upgrade to sid? |
| 16:37.01 | gordboy | [Pujol]: to "riffle" is the same as "shuffle". there is no connotation of cheating |
| 16:37.25 | debian- | Bushmills: enouf in ##linux til me to. |
| 16:37.29 | Bushmills | debian-: better try that on a second computer, or a debootstrap chrootable installation |
| 16:37.59 | Bushmills | sid is broken |
| 16:38.15 | debian- | He said you it wasnt any new etch software, and that it only was security and very big bug fixese. |
| 16:38.22 | meeero | stew: hm, ...... these files, are they run by the first 4 entries (by default) in crontab? they are cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.[daily|weekly|monthly] ? |
| 16:38.24 | stoned | that guy was almost funny |
| 16:38.44 | stew | meeero: a file with a . in the name is ignored by run-parts |
| 16:38.47 | meeero | because i don't see cron.d there - and however, none of these 4 lines is being run every minute, to match 59/1 |
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| 16:39.02 | meeero | yes, i got that - i just wonder what initiating the execution |
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| 16:39.06 | Bushmills | debian-: but that's good - it works |
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| 16:39.18 | meeero | s/what/what is |
| 16:39.25 | enouf | debian-: what? |
| 16:39.26 | debian- | Bushmills: But I want wine 1 when it comes. |
| 16:39.27 | stew | meeero: man cron |
| 16:39.38 | debian- | enouf: You told me to upgrade to sid. |
| 16:39.46 | enouf | fuck you |
| 16:39.50 | enouf | no i did NOT |
| 16:39.56 | debian- | enouf: etch - sid- lenny? |
| 16:39.56 | tweaked | hi, im looking for some server monitoring software ive been looking at zabbix anyone know of anything better or issues with zabbix? |
| 16:40.01 | stew | enouf: calm down |
| 16:40.15 | meeero | okay, thank you |
| 16:40.36 | riot | huh. which Desktop is better for tablet pcs? Gnome or KDE? Or something totally different? I do have touch, too, but the driver is not functionally currently. |
| 16:40.36 | neighborlee | o_0 |
| 16:40.38 | enouf | debian-: not to mention - you said; [11:40:29] <debian-> enouf: Like when I installed ubuntu packages. |
| 16:40.41 | debian- | enouf>fisrt do an update .. then do a dist-upgrade |
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| 16:41.11 | stew | debian-: you should not be upgrading to sid |
| 16:41.24 | enouf | debian-: stop - that's entirely out of context - whereas your statement can never be out of context |
| 16:41.25 | Bushmills | debian-, enouf, you may query and talk in private if you like |
| 16:41.35 | debian- | stew: Sid is after etch? |
| 16:41.46 | enouf | i would rather use /ig now - thanks, and apologies to the channel |
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| 16:41.53 | asg | debian-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:41.58 | stew | debian-: no, sid is the development version meant for debian developers which is never released and usually broken |
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| 16:42.17 | debian- | enouf: You told me to use lenny? |
| 16:42.26 | enouf | i didn't say ANY release |
| 16:42.26 | AbsintheSyringe | my kdm takes forever to load, any suggestions (debian, etch) |
| 16:42.31 | stew | debian-: in general, our feeling is that if you are asking these questions, you should definately not be using sid |
| 16:42.44 | riot | yeah, sid is _very_ broken. (actually, not) |
| 16:43.02 | debian- | stew: He knew I was using etch, and sugested dist-upgrade, that would give me lenny? |
| 16:43.10 | stew | debian-: no, it wouldhn't |
| 16:43.22 | debian- | What would happen? |
| 16:43.24 | enouf | debian-: you said, when you ran a aptitude upgrade that it was holding pkgs back - so i added, that line you pasted right after - i ALSO said make sure your sources.list is in order |
| 16:43.34 | chops | riot, debian-: In general sid works but at random times it breaks and required arbitrarily knowledgeable intervention in order to get working again |
| 16:43.46 | stew | debian-: 'dist-upgrade' doesn't really mean 'change to a new dist' it means 'upgrade any packages you can, even if it means installing new packages or removing some'. |
| 16:43.48 | enouf | debian-: i never mentioned etch, lenny , sid or other |
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| 16:44.07 | riot | chops: first thing i do after base-install (and ONLY base) is bump up my sources.list. |
| 16:44.07 | gordboy | isn't hardy the upgrade to etch ? |
| 16:44.19 | stew | debian-: it was named 'dist-upgrade' for historical reasons, in newer versions of aptitude it was renamed 'full-upgrade' to try to avoid some of this confusion |
| 16:44.22 | riot | chops: my workstation runs (the same!) sid for about 8 years now |
| 16:44.27 | debian- | enouf: Oh, sorry. I assumed the command upgraded the distro... |
| 16:44.27 | stew | gordboy: no. stop |
| 16:44.30 | asg | gordboy: erm, no |
| 16:44.31 | themill | sees why upgrade was renamed to safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade to full-upgrade. |
| 16:44.33 | enouf | thank you stew for explaining that - but note; he (also and already) obviously installed pkgs from another Distro |
| 16:44.55 | debian- | enouf: Only once... |
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| 16:45.39 | gordboy | sorry i was getting confused with microsoft fedora |
| 16:45.52 | enouf | debian-: do you recall this; [11:50:37] <enouf> debian-: i hope your sources.list is in order O_o and this? [11:51:13] <enouf> debian-: you should really read the debian reference <-- huh? |
| 16:46.10 | debian- | enouf: Yes... |
| 16:46.20 | debian- | enouf: Where is my sources list? |
| 16:46.27 | enouf | ... |
| 16:46.32 | debian- | etc? |
| 16:46.33 | and][ng | gordboy: which one, fedora xp or millenium? |
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| 16:46.42 | jelly | gordboy: have you no better channel to troll? |
| 16:46.45 | and][ng | debian-: /etc/apt/ |
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| 16:47.40 | hjb | How do i turn on exim debugging messages? |
| 16:47.43 | debian- | enouf: All my sources is debian.org |
| 16:47.48 | enouf | please read debian- ... i am now putting you on /ig for a while and i really do not appreciate you going into other channels such as this and blatantly "lying" about what i said - please do NOT do that again |
| 16:47.53 | gordboy | jelly: i was just commenting on another piece of obvious trollery. the elephant in the living room that no-one talks about. but it was obviously right over your heads ... |
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| 16:48.37 | jelly | gordboy: your lastlog is empty of anything useful, sorry |
| 16:48.39 | debian | enouf: Ok |
| 16:49.05 | gordboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:49.44 | debian- | gordboy: Nobody can see what you write, you are ignored |
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| 16:50.01 | stew | can everyone please just keep their ignore lists to themselves? |
| 16:50.13 | idimmu | ignores stew |
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| 16:50.21 | hjb | I want to see the complete SMTP messages exim4 is speaking to a remote gateway |
| 16:50.32 | idimmu | hjb packet sniff? |
| 16:50.35 | gordboy | actually, you know what. if you're going to tolerate this debian- muppet disrupting the channel, you can count me out |
| 16:50.35 | asg | hjb: tcpdump |
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| 16:50.42 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:51.06 | debian- | stew: Easy for you to say, if you dislike what someone says you ban them :P |
| 16:51.08 | hjb | asg idimmu My first thought, but won't work, as the remote gateway only accepts ssl connections |
| 16:51.22 | stew | debian-: what is the problem you are actually trying to solve? |
| 16:52.24 | debian- | stew: I want to find the distrobution best for me, etch or lenny |
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| 16:52.35 | stew | debian-: etch |
| 16:52.36 | abrotman | then try them both .. decide for yourself |
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| 16:52.55 | abrotman | debian-: but with the number of questions you ask here on an hourly basis .. i'd go with etch |
| 16:53.14 | stew | debian-: lenny is currently still in development, and often has problems. if you don't yet even know where to find sources.list, you should be sticking to 'stable' aka 'etch' |
| 16:53.19 | idimmu | hjb: try #exim perhaps |
| 16:53.19 | idimmu | ? |
| 16:53.27 | \amethyst | hjb: does -v work? |
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| 16:53.43 | debian- | stew: When is etch going to be replaced with lenny? |
| 16:53.54 | jelly | !tell debian- -about wwlr |
| 16:54.05 | \amethyst | hjb: the manpage says of -v: ". . . if an SMTP connection is made, the SMTP dialogue is shown." |
| 16:54.05 | stew | debian-: when lenny has zero release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 16:54.06 | XrMb2 | angenommen, ich nehme mir eine software her, die unter der GPL steht und möchte sie nun um ein stück code von mir ergänzen - dieses jedoch aus geheimhaltungsgründen nicht quelloffen machen, d.h. nicht unter der GPL veröffentlichen. Darf ich dann quasi die Software wie sie ist unter der GPL so benutzen - aber mit meinem Modul, das dann eben unter einer anderen Lizenz steht, verwenden? |
| 16:54.18 | themill | !de |
| 16:54.18 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 16:54.25 | XrMb2 | crap |
| 16:54.34 | jelly | you meant scheisse? |
| 16:54.37 | XrMb2 | forgot about .de, sry, thanks :P |
| 16:54.52 | westside | jelly: lol! |
| 16:54.58 | debian- | stew: How much diffrence will it be between etch and lenny? |
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| 16:55.08 | debian- | Do you rewrite it completly? |
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| 16:55.42 | \amethyst | XrMb2: have your non-GPL program call the GPL program as an executable |
| 16:55.45 | jelly | debian-: about the same as between any other consecutive debian release |
| 16:55.47 | idimmu | debian-: what do you want from your linux distro? |
| 16:55.48 | asg | yes, we've re-implemented cat(1) 13 times |
| 16:55.51 | jelly | abrotman: not any more |
| 16:55.52 | themill | !tell debian- about google |
| 16:55.52 | \amethyst | XrMb2: if you link against it, you are subject to the GPL |
| 16:55.53 | stew | debian-: nearly every package would have a new version. some of those will be small changes, some will be large. it differs on a package by package basis |
| 16:55.56 | westside | debian-: there could be big changes like dv video no longer working to just newer packages |
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| 16:56.08 | jelly | abrotman: "benefit of doubt" :-) |
| 16:56.09 | idimmu | looks forwards to the next release of ls |
| 16:56.11 | abrotman | westside: they're supposed to fix that |
| 16:56.15 | stew | debian-: some new packages will be available, some that were available in etch will be removed... |
| 16:56.18 | Montoto | hi ppl someon speack spanish? |
| 16:56.19 | debian- | idimmu: irssi and kde |
| 16:56.34 | asg | idimmu: it'll have an option to list abrotman's favorite egg recipie |
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| 16:56.35 | Montoto | debianes |
| 16:56.36 | stew | !es |
| 16:56.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:56.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:56.46 | Montoto | thx |
| 16:56.50 | idimmu | ls -egg |
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| 16:57.21 | XrMb2 | i can't just call it as an executable because there's some change necessary. i just thought about adding a function - i mean, a few lines - to the existing sourcecode, without the need to publish it again under the terms of GPL |
| 16:57.56 | catsup | you don't need to publish your changes |
| 16:58.06 | catsup | IF you publish then binary, THEN you must publish the source |
| 16:58.25 | neighborlee | using ntfs-3g to mount ( for write accesss as well ) ntfs usbstick, and im getting some error saying to boot to windows TWICE..Im like wth is that and though windows gives me no 'error' accessing the stick ,is this force check something ntfs-3g needs for some reason ? ;) |
| 16:58.36 | idimmu | debian-: just go with etch then it has both kde and irssi problem solved |
| 16:58.36 | XrMb2 | you mean if i offer the changed application for download, then i also have to provide the sourcecode? |
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| 16:59.00 | \amethyst | XrMb2: the changes to the GPL code have to be GPLed |
| 16:59.02 | catsup | XrMb2: besides, nobody cares what copyrights you violate. the GPL is supposed to keep corporate evildoers in check. |
| 16:59.06 | stew | XrMb2: yes. if you only make this change for your own use, and don't redistribute the binary, you don't have to do anything |
| 16:59.42 | \amethyst | XrMb2: offering it for downloading counts as distribution, so you have to put the modified library under the GPL then and release the source |
| 16:59.43 | samuel | what can I use to make sure a script runs once a week? the machine in question is sometimes off, so cron is not an option |
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| 16:59.49 | stew | catsup: do not advocate the violation of copyrights in here |
| 17:00.00 | debian- | idimmu: KDE in etch doesnt use dolphin |
| 17:00.05 | catsup | stew: first of all, i'm not advocating anything |
| 17:00.27 | zinx | catsup: most people apart from the "corporate evildoers" do care what copyrights you violate |
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| 17:00.41 | idimmu | you didnt say you wanted dolphin! |
| 17:00.41 | XrMb2 | well, that's fine. it's just about some daemon, where i'd like to make some little changes to fit better into my envirnoment. i have no intention of redestributing it, since it's no use for anyone else but me - thank you guys, i misunderstood the GPL in that term :> |
| 17:00.56 | catsup | zinx: me, or XrMb2? that's highly unrealistic. most people don't knwo who either of us are. |
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| 17:01.22 | zinx | catsup: most of the open source people care about copyright violations in general |
| 17:01.23 | empiric | hi all any good howto on squidquard |
| 17:01.24 | empiric | ? |
| 17:01.34 | stew | catsup: one doens't need to know your identity to desire that you not violate their copyright agreements. |
| 17:01.45 | \amethyst | XrMb2: as long as you don't redistribute the program, the GPL doesn't care what you do with it |
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| 17:02.17 | catsup | stew: ok, but that's rather beside the point, which is: don't sweat the small stuff. |
| 17:02.18 | snikker | how can i backup firestarter rules? |
| 17:02.40 | XrMb2 | okay, thanks a lot to all you guys, you really helped me out :] cya |
| 17:03.10 | stew | catsup: the point i'm making is that you should not be giving people this incorrect advice. the idea that some copyright viloations are ok is not one you should be furthering in here |
| 17:03.28 | zinx | totally against Debian philosophy :) |
| 17:03.28 | \amethyst | catsup: perhaps you'd like a job with D-Link? |
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| 17:04.00 | catsup | stew: who are you to say what ideas should be here? |
| 17:04.08 | stew | catsup: one of the channel moderators |
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| 17:04.18 | catsup | stew: so? |
| 17:04.44 | stew | catsup: so by definition i'm one to say what ideas should be in here |
| 17:04.49 | catsup | zinx: debian isn't a church with an orthodoxy |
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| 17:04.58 | zinx | catsup: the Debian project in general does not look kindly on copyright violations, of any kind |
| 17:05.06 | catsup | stew: no, by definition you're one to ban people, but that's something different |
| 17:05.07 | stew | nor does this irc network |
| 17:05.21 | stew | catsup: please don't further this discussion |
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| 17:05.36 | themill | catsup: Do you realise that one of the big battles that free software is and will have to fight in the future is that free software is about flouting intellectual property. Please don't add to that confusion with comments about copyright not being important. |
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| 17:05.39 | zinx | catsup: look at how packages are handled. you can tell pretty clearly that copyright violations aren't allowed. even small ones. hell, look at iceweasel vs. firefox. |
| 17:05.39 | catsup | stew: look, i just made one comment and you blew it up |
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| 17:06.21 | ike | hi |
| 17:06.34 | ike | can I use dpkg to only download a specific package? |
| 17:06.37 | catsup | zinx, themill, i would respond to you, but it's off-topic, and anyway, this is not a channel where ideas unapproved by the moderators are tolerated |
| 17:06.41 | ike | as in, get the .deb file? |
| 17:06.42 | zinx | catsup: you continue to push a view that isn't held or endorsed by the Debian project - that small copyright violations are somehow 'ok' :/ |
| 17:06.44 | stew | ike: no, you can't use dpkg to download at all |
| 17:06.53 | debian | My gaim-text crashes, what can I use instead? |
| 17:06.54 | themill | catsup: then talk about it in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:06.59 | \amethyst | it's not just that it's 'unapproved' |
| 17:07.01 | catsup | ok |
| 17:07.06 | ike | stew: how then |
| 17:07.09 | stew | ike: you can use "apt-get -d install packagename" to download but not install a pacakges |
| 17:07.11 | jelly | ike: you can apt-get -s --print-uris install packagename, then use the url from the output |
| 17:07.20 | \amethyst | it's that it's inimical to the very nature of Debian as a free software project |
| 17:07.26 | ike | thanx guys! |
| 17:07.29 | idimmu | copyright violations no larger than 5mm x 5mm are fine zinx |
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| 17:07.57 | Bushmills | samuel: anacron |
| 17:08.00 | catsup | zinx, \amethyst, themill, stew: I am in #debian-offtopic |
| 17:08.06 | zinx | idimmu: so i just need some more micro-sd eh |
| 17:08.10 | samuel | Bushmills: thanks |
| 17:08.15 | idimmu | aye |
| 17:08.30 | idimmu | compact flash is well out tho :( |
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| 17:10.40 | natefoo | 'lo all. i just upgraded a machine to 2.6.24-1-686 and now the nic driver doesn't load. |
| 17:11.11 | natefoo | it does work if i go back to the old kernel. |
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| 17:14.25 | tanner | is there a way i can install debian on a headless machine? |
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| 17:14.49 | as84 | hey guys, just a random wondering question, when hosting companies says "you got 60Gb bandwidht a month", is that the bandwidth served to show the pages right ? |
| 17:14.50 | asg | tanner: yes, there are a few ways. |
| 17:15.01 | hifi | tanner: pre-install it to the disk |
| 17:15.12 | asg | tanner: install via serial console |
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| 17:15.44 | tanner | about the only thing this machine has, is an ethernet cable |
| 17:15.47 | tanner | and a cdrom |
| 17:16.02 | samuel | what is the "delay" for in anacrontab? |
| 17:16.12 | catsup | tanner: yes... |
| 17:16.44 | catsup | tanner: the easiest way may be to use a debian-live cd with ssh preconfigured |
| 17:16.44 | stew | tanner: go to htt://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller and look for "network install" or "ssh install" or some such. there is at least an outline of what you have to do there |
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| 17:17.21 | catsup | tanner: if the machine has an accessible linux installation of any kind, the easiest way is to use debootstrap |
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| 17:18.11 | stew | tanner: you can also run the installer via a serial console |
| 17:18.27 | catsup | that's totally not headless... |
| 17:19.15 | and][ng | I think serial is still headless |
| 17:19.18 | tanner | unfortunately although the machine has a serial port, non of my laptops do and i dont have a USB->Serial atm |
| 17:19.31 | asg | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:19.31 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:19.54 | and][ng | asg: lol where does it come from? |
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| 17:20.03 | asg | and][ng: an old factoid |
| 17:20.14 | natefoo | i can't install debian via ocr from a scanner? |
| 17:20.15 | natefoo | darn. |
| 17:20.16 | \amethyst | !factinfo rube goldberg install |
| 17:20.16 | dpkg | rube goldberg install -- created by greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> at Sat Jan 17 20:25:38 2004 (1576 days); it has been requested 289 times, last by asg, 45s ago. |
| 17:20.31 | \amethyst | why am I not surprised it's greycat? :) |
| 17:20.40 | abrotman | only 289? |
| 17:20.53 | dan2 | hey asg |
| 17:20.58 | asg | hiya dan2 |
| 17:21.33 | dan2 | asg: looking for my shoes, trying to determine what's for lunch |
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| 17:21.58 | asg | dan2: hopefully you aren't going to eat your adidas |
| 17:22.20 | dan2 | heh |
| 17:22.41 | dan2 | asg: they must stink now, I've been running 5 miles a day on the elliptical machine |
| 17:22.42 | natefoo | anyone know if supported devices should appear immediately in ifconfig output once you've (successfully) modprobed the driver? |
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| 17:22.51 | asg | dan2: like a fine cheese |
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| 17:23.04 | asg | natefoo: in the output of /sbin/ifconfig -a they should |
| 17:23.11 | Bushmills | better have the show strings for lunch then |
| 17:23.13 | dan2 | asg: that's the part of the grocery store I move very quickly through |
| 17:23.21 | natefoo | asg: bummer. |
| 17:23.23 | natefoo | thanks. |
| 17:23.24 | tanner | hmm |
| 17:23.29 | tanner | im surprised this isnt more common |
| 17:23.40 | asg | natefoo: see if you get anything in 'dmesg' to indicate it loaded. |
| 17:24.03 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 17:24.03 | dpkg | ssh install is, like, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 17:24.06 | abrotman | tanner: ^^ |
| 17:25.03 | natefoo | oh, i was modprobing the wrong driver. =P |
| 17:25.07 | natefoo | fail. |
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| 17:25.40 | tanner | thanks abrotman, first link looks useful |
| 17:25.57 | abrotman | tanner: if i'm understanding your desire |
| 17:26.04 | abrotman | hopes he never says that on irc again |
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| 17:27.32 | tanner | seems so; basically just need a machine to dhcp an address and start ssh so i can login and perform the install remotely |
| 17:27.45 | natefoo | it looks like perhaps bnx2 has been removed from 2.6.24? |
| 17:27.56 | davis | hello |
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| 17:28.29 | hjb | \amethyst -v worked, thanks! |
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| 17:29.04 | davis | I did an upgrade of my debian system and now bugzilla is broken. I have no idea why. The /etc/bugzilla/localconfig looks ok. The apache2 log shows looks like it is has the wrong userid or password though. Any advice? |
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| 17:29.43 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 17:30.10 | apt_get | i´m trying to use fbi for show images in console-screen. existe other? |
| 17:30.47 | tanner | hmm, so its preseeding ? |
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| 17:31.11 | Bushmills | apt_get: zgv could do |
| 17:31.17 | apt_get | thanks |
| 17:31.20 | apt_get | i will try |
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| 17:32.21 | darkwizzard | hey all |
| 17:32.52 | darkwizzard | i tring to figure out how to do killdgen with lirc can anyone help me? |
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| 17:36.09 | tanner | can i use ftp to preseed with? |
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| 17:36.47 | stew | tanner: i can't even see how ftp and preseeding might be related |
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| 17:36.56 | stew | maybe i'm missing something |
| 17:37.26 | tanner | stew http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html |
| 17:37.54 | apt_get | Bushmills : zgv dont use framebuffer. I want any that use ti |
| 17:37.56 | apt_get | it |
| 17:38.03 | tanner | im using the netboot iso.. so i cant put the configuration on the iso according to that document |
| 17:38.53 | beardy | apt_get: Not that I know.. though links2, and what they all are called may do it. |
| 17:39.07 | beardy | apt_get: Otherwise it probably is fbi as only option. |
| 17:39.12 | apt_get | ok |
| 17:39.19 | stew | tanner: oh, so you mean you are wondering of you could fetch the preseed image via ftp instead of http:// or file:// ? |
| 17:39.33 | tanner | i think? |
| 17:39.46 | tanner | stew: im basically just trying to do a ssh install of debian |
| 17:39.48 | stew | tanner: i don't see why you couldn't put the presed image on the iso, either |
| 17:40.10 | beardy | apt_get: Though.. mplayer can, so if it can display all the image formats you need, that too. |
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| 17:41.00 | tanner | i need a minimal install image that dhcp's an address and allows ssh sessions |
| 17:41.45 | apt_get | beardy, ok |
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| 17:42.03 | Bushmills | tanner: dhcp many do. preconfigured ready-to-ssh-to, none known to me. |
| 17:42.21 | Bushmills | tanner: i think you may have to customize at least the login a bit |
| 17:42.36 | tanner | Bushmills: if the install could dhcp then auto apt-get install openssh-server then that would be fine.. |
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| 17:43.04 | davis | hello |
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| 17:43.43 | stew | tanner: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 17:44.43 | davis | i did a apt-get remove bugzilla and then an apt-get install bugzilla. When I do this it asks me for the mysql admin password. I give the password and then it fails at dbconfig-common "Not a subroutine reference at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzila/Template.pm line 59. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/checksetup.pl line 1291 |
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| 17:48.33 | peope | Is there a replacement for webmin in debian with similar functionality? |
| 17:48.40 | streuner | no |
| 17:48.46 | dondelelcaro | peope: a shell. |
| 17:49.02 | streuner | not really, Debian threw everything similar out |
| 17:49.05 | dondelelcaro | davis: sounds like a bug; check the bts and see if it's been reported. |
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| 17:49.28 | peope | dondelelcaro: already saw that you *hates* webmin from dpkg :) |
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| 17:49.41 | Eulex | streuner, I can find phpmyadmin in debian, though... |
| 17:49.44 | streuner | peope: he isn't alone ;-) |
| 17:50.05 | puff | Hm, I just started seeing a lot of lines like this show up in daily tigercron emails: /usr/bin/find: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/lib/ext: Input/output error |
| 17:50.15 | peope | Do you know of a package for configuring a samba server? |
| 17:50.24 | puff | Well, a dozen or so lines like that per cron mail. |
| 17:50.35 | dondelelcaro | peope: you can do it pretty trivially by editing the smb.conf, actually. |
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| 17:50.48 | dondelelcaro | peope: and the general stuff you'd need just to get started is already done for you |
| 17:50.48 | peope | dondelelcaro: yes.. if I knew how to do it |
| 17:50.57 | Caoimhin | hi |
| 17:50.58 | garo | Eulex: phpmyadmin is for mysql |
| 17:51.08 | dondelelcaro | peope: the manpage and the existing configuration is pretty much all you need. |
| 17:51.12 | Bushmills | peope: by using a config tool you'll never learn how to |
| 17:51.25 | noizze | Can i use one package (python 2.5.2) from debian unstable but keep everything else stable? |
| 17:51.42 | themill | noizze: why not just use python2.5 from stable? |
| 17:51.50 | Bushmills | peope: while messing up your config in such a way that you don't know anymore what has been changed or added for what reason |
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| 17:52.05 | noizze | themill: i do ...but its python 2.5 not 2.5.2 |
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| 17:52.33 | noizze | ...with some sick debian style patches |
| 17:52.36 | peope | Bushmills: there is a lot of configuration to be done. So a lot of manpages to read. |
| 17:52.45 | peope | Bushmills: with different services I mean |
| 17:52.45 | stew | noizze: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:52.52 | themill | noizze: You won't be able to pull just that one package from sid. |
| 17:53.56 | stew | hmm, python-defaults has a B-D-I: on python, i wonder if that is actually valid |
| 17:53.59 | noizze | peope: thats life, i use slackware ....u have to do much more by hand |
| 17:54.16 | Bushmills | peope: if you don't knowing what to config, a config tool is only dangerous |
| 17:54.22 | Bushmills | know |
| 17:54.24 | dondelelcaro | peope: almost all of the services you'd think about using are there already. |
| 17:54.38 | Bushmills | peope: and if you know, you don't need the config frontend |
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| 17:54.53 | noizze | I found all the config tools anyway unstable or outdated |
| 17:55.13 | stew | noizze: the poing i not that pulling the one package from sid would be tricky, it would be a bad idea becuase it would be compiled against the libraries in unstable instead of the libraries on your system |
| 17:55.15 | tanner | thank you everyone |
| 17:55.25 | tanner | also, just found http://www.instalinux.com , looks great |
| 17:55.38 | peope | there is proftpd, pure-ftpd, apache, php, mysql, postgresql, sendmail, exim, postfix, dovecot, uw-imapd, qpopper and his brother and sister |
| 17:55.57 | noizze | stew: i know, but sometimes it works with sym. links |
| 17:56.06 | dondelelcaro | peope: you're not going to be using all of those at once, and most of those already ship with sane configurations. |
| 17:56.25 | stew | noizze: sometimes what works? |
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| 17:56.29 | Bushmills | peope: customizing the config of many of those is not just a matter of clicking a few check boxes |
| 17:56.34 | Eulex | noizze, umh, don't do that |
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| 17:56.56 | Bushmills | peope: but webmin and friends make you believe that it is |
| 17:57.08 | peope | dondelelcaro: I know. I have a lot of boxes. samba is pretty complex in comparison.. and then there is the thing to make it work with your flavor of windows |
| 17:57.17 | giorgian | hi. is there a way to see which parameters have been the kernel modules loaded with? |
| 17:58.00 | dondelelcaro | peope: huh? there's no need to muck with samba to do that. |
| 17:58.25 | dondelelcaro | peope: and if you have a lot of machines, learning how to configure your machines using a shell and editor is what you should spend your time doing |
| 17:58.28 | peope | dondelelcaro: tunnel and lmhosts |
| 17:58.41 | peope | dondelelcaro: granted it does not involve samba config that much |
| 17:58.46 | noizze | I never understand the debian policy they care so much about stable but on the other side they apply lots of patches. I think the application maintainer should decide if a application is stable or not, they know more then the package maintainers |
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| 17:59.21 | dondelelcaro | noizze: huh? |
| 17:59.38 | Bushmills | noizze: "stable" is not just one package, but the distribution in its totality |
| 17:59.44 | noizze | yea, and i found debian pretty unstable ...always trouble |
| 17:59.56 | dondelelcaro | noizze: you mean upstream developers? If a package isn't going to be releaseable at all, it doesn't even go into unstable. |
| 17:59.58 | peope | noizze: the package maintainers would *love* to have things fixed upstream |
| 18:00.02 | simonrvn | noizze: what? |
| 18:00.14 | dondelelcaro | noizze: and if you find problems, please file bugs. |
| 18:00.21 | themill | !tell noizze about reportbug |
| 18:00.45 | stew | noizze: in debian 'stable' or 'unstable' doesn't have to do with crashiness. it has to do with the fact that unstable changes daily, and stable should rarely change |
| 18:01.30 | stew | noizze: and now that etch has been released, it is not going to get a new upstream version of python. it would only get newer patches to the older python in order to patch security bugs |
| 18:01.34 | noizze | ok, but in my case ....since python 2.5 only minor security patches got applied ...no new functionality |
| 18:01.37 | peope | ... and stable is almost always old software so everybody uses unstable anyway *whistles* |
| 18:01.49 | themill | noizze: yes... that's the entire point of stable. |
| 18:02.17 | Bushmills | noizze: "stable" is not about new functionality |
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| 18:02.37 | stew | noizze: yes. becuase the other option would be to release python2.5 as the new python in stable, but then every python package would have to be updated, some python pacakges would stop working entirely, others would have to get newer possibly more buggy upstream versions, and all of the sudden stable isn't very reliable |
| 18:02.37 | noizze | ask the application developer how much they like bug reports from debian ...most going to /dev/null |
| 18:02.38 | Bushmills | oh. am i lagging that much? |
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| 18:03.22 | Eulex | noizze, if the python in stable doesn't have some security patch, please file a bug. |
| 18:03.22 | noizze | coz they are fixed already or there are crazy patches & compiler options |
| 18:04.17 | peope | you could always use /usr/bin/local for new software |
| 18:04.22 | stew | noizze: transitioning from python2.4 to python2.5 took months in unstable, and in the process, every python package had to be rebuilt. many had to be patched or they would not be working at all, some packages had to be removed entirely, some are still broken. the would not have been acceptable to do in a released version of debian |
| 18:04.26 | peope | bleh... /usr/local |
| 18:04.30 | noizze | Eulex: maybe they applied some changes from 2.5.1 & 2.5.2 ...i dont know! it would be more meaningful just go with 2.5.2 ....you dont agree? |
| 18:04.39 | stew | noizze: no |
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| 18:04.48 | Eulex | noizze, no, because stable wouldn't be stable then. |
| 18:04.49 | itchi | noizze: You can even install new python stuff in your ~home |
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| 18:05.29 | peope | /opt is a nice place to place new stuff too |
| 18:05.31 | synic | is there an alternative to rsync, that doesn't need to build the huge file list prior to transferring? Basically, I just need to transfer whole files from one server to another, but only if they haven't already been transferred yet. I don't need to check timestamps or file sizes or anything |
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| 18:05.32 | stew | noizze: or are you just objecting to the fact that the version number of python2.5 in stable is '2.5' and not '2.5.1' ? |
| 18:06.21 | noizze | stew: not 2.5.2 ....yes |
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| 18:07.21 | Bushmills | synic: cp -u |
| 18:07.22 | noizze | I think 2.5.2 is more stable then 2.5 and there are no changes which could break a package afaik ....of course, the change from 2.4 -> 2.5 is another story |
| 18:07.29 | synic | Bushmills: .. over a network |
| 18:07.51 | synic | Bushmills: I'd use nfs, but I heard that there's a max transfer rate on an nfs mount |
| 18:07.53 | Bushmills | synic: i have openvpn between servers, and nfs mount one from the other |
| 18:08.18 | stew | noizze: but 2.5.2 didnt' exist at the time that stable was released |
| 18:08.21 | Bushmills | max transfer rate? sure, what your connection can allow |
| 18:08.42 | synic | Bushmills: I was told it's less than what your network connection can allow, and that multiple mounts can be to your advantage |
| 18:08.43 | stew | noizze: the python2.5 version 2.5 in debian stable was released as "2.5" upstream. it was the only version of 2.5 that had been released upstream at the time when etch was released |
| 18:09.09 | noizze | sorry, i dont wanna troll ....just thinking about this every time i use debian ....and if everyone stick with 2-3 year old software the development get stalled ...not enough bug report |
| 18:09.18 | stew | noizze: and again. in debian "stable" doesn't mean what you think it means. it means "not changing" it doesn't mean "not crashing" |
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| 18:09.30 | Bushmills | synic: i don't know what you have been told, but i can tell you what i observe, and that is that nfs transfers files pretty close to the physical limits of the interface |
| 18:09.57 | synic | ok |
| 18:10.00 | Bushmills | though vpn software can slow that down |
| 18:10.03 | noizze | stew: ok |
| 18:10.48 | mimcpher | I'll concur with Bushmills based on my own testing of NFS. |
| 18:10.54 | synic | ok |
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| 18:12.00 | Bushmills | sometimes testing beats believing |
| 18:12.13 | itchi | Bushmills: Do you have a gigabit line? |
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| 18:12.32 | Bushmills | itchi: no. 100 mbit only |
| 18:12.55 | itchi | Do me remember that i need to check some things, i migrated a few time ago and the network speed is only 1.5 faster |
| 18:13.12 | itchi | if it's not 0.5 faster |
| 18:13.29 | Bushmills | sorry, i don't run a reminder service |
| 18:13.45 | Bushmills | oh. sry. i misread i think |
| 18:13.51 | itchi | Bushmills: yup :-p |
| 18:14.02 | itchi | Bushmills: No worry ;-) |
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| 18:14.28 | davis | how do I clear my /var/cache/apt/archives directory? |
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| 18:14.40 | dondelelcaro | noizze: the point of stable is that new bugs don't appear; the average user of stable isn't going to be producing bug reports that upstream is going to see and act on anyway. [If you want to be closer to the bleeding edge, use testing.] |
| 18:14.54 | davis | its is using up alot of disk space |
| 18:15.01 | dondelelcaro | noizze: however, if you're running machines which absolutely cannot fail, that's why we ship stable. |
| 18:15.31 | itchi | davis: aptitude clean |
| 18:15.37 | xingu | Bushmills: depends on the hardware; gets pretty hard to fill a single 10gigE interface on current cpu cores without multithreading |
| 18:15.50 | itchi | davis: or s/aptitude/apt-get/ if you are still using apt-get |
| 18:15.51 | davis | itchi: thanks |
| 18:15.56 | Bushmills | itchi: i was running 1 gigabit connection to a gb/100mb switch a while ago but i don't have the math of accumulated traffic around anymore. |
| 18:16.28 | itchi | Bushmills: Well, i just test with two diff cables :-p the switch autodetect if it's a cat5e or not |
| 18:16.50 | xingu | Bushmills: to do that you really need msi-x and hardware designed for it - like say sun neptune interface, and the systems it's designed for |
| 18:17.06 | itchi | Bushmills: You can check with ethtool to see if it's running on 100Mb/s or 1000, if you are lazy like me to move to the switch :-) |
| 18:17.32 | xingu | Bushmills: but yeah, if you don't need crypto, it's dead easy to fill 1000-base pipes. |
| 18:18.24 | linkslice | where did the old apt-setup go? how do I re-run that, google tells me to re-run base-config but I don't see anything called 'base-config' |
| 18:18.49 | dondelelcaro | !apt-setup |
| 18:18.49 | dpkg | apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead. |
| 18:18.52 | stew | linkslice: yes, they are now part of the installer proper and are no longer shipped as things you can use post-install |
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| 18:18.57 | Bushmills | xingu: that was a server, powering a few dozen diskless boxes. |
| 18:19.11 | stew | linkslice: /msg dpkg apt-setup ; /msg dpkg base-config |
| 18:19.12 | Bushmills | xingu: so traffic was considerable, and measurable too |
| 18:19.55 | tanner | damn, didnt work >.> |
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| 18:20.04 | xingu | Bushmills: *nod*; you do get one thread per client though - single client/server is his test case |
| 18:20.14 | Bushmills | like, i could power on 2 dozens of them at the same time, by hitting hard against the bench :) |
| 18:20.36 | Bushmills | workstations detected minimal mouse motion, and powered up, all at the same time, lol |
| 18:20.57 | noizze | dondelelcaro: yea, but the point is it isnt much more stable! i had so much trouble with offical debian packages |
| 18:21.18 | xingu | Bushmills: if he'd said "encrypted NFS" I could see where he was coming from, but he didn't ;) |
| 18:21.19 | Bushmills | xingu: those were all going to the switch, which in turn bundled to the server over gbit |
| 18:21.36 | stew | noizze: see what i said above about the meaning of stable. if you have a specific instance where you are having trouble, please ask us |
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| 18:22.13 | xingu | woah, massive sidfart |
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| 18:24.25 | dondelelcaro | noizze: we can't help you with vague assertions; if there are specific instances of problems, then feel free to ask about them or file bugs. Otherwise, there's not much point in contining. |
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| 18:26.03 | itchi | rsync is about +- 14MB/s, so that is 14x8 for the Mb/s speed (112MB/s)? Right? |
| 18:26.15 | neighborlee | hi there..How do I get termainal to retain its size upon subsequent restarts ? ;)) |
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| 18:27.00 | noizze | dondelelcaro: your right, well ...i had a lot in the past but currently its ok... i know i cant make a qualified evidence only from my experience |
| 18:27.33 | stew | itchi: 14MB/s = 14MB/s |
| 18:27.44 | itchi | stew: B vs b?? |
| 18:27.46 | stew | oh |
| 18:27.49 | stew | itchi: then yes |
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| 18:28.05 | Bushmills | uncompressed transfer? |
| 18:28.13 | justin | itchi: rsync speed != network speed |
| 18:28.46 | itchi | How can i test my network speed then? |
| 18:28.46 | \amethyst | read < /dev/tty |
| 18:28.48 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:29.02 | justin | itchi: iperf |
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| 18:29.26 | xingu | or better, netperf |
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| 18:35.57 | itchi | stew: Yeah, there's a typo above, should be 112Mb/s |
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| 18:39.09 | xingu | except that to us networking guys you should multiply by 10 to allow for the start and stop bit... |
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| 18:40.40 | iamnewbie | hello, i am very new to this anybody there to help me? |
| 18:41.14 | streuner | just ask |
| 18:41.24 | simonrvn | !tell iamnewbie -about ask |
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| 18:41.56 | iamnewbie | i have a EEEPC 900, very nice it is too.... i am thinking about putting on debian but have never used linux. is it easy? |
| 18:42.04 | itchi | Well, netperf seems to be complex, i'm lost :-) |
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| 18:42.46 | zinx | iamnewbie: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 18:43.01 | zinx | iamnewbie: specificly http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 18:43.39 | Bushmills | doesn't the eeepc come with linux anyway? |
| 18:43.47 | abrotman | yes, but not debian |
| 18:43.49 | iamnewbie | ok... i guess you are suggesting the 900 has an i386 architecture, no? |
| 18:43.50 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 18:43.50 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 18:44.02 | simonrvn | has a linux-based os, IIRC it's ubuntu |
| 18:44.04 | zinx | Bushmills: the more expensive model (with 20G) comes with Linux with a strange interface installed |
| 18:44.20 | Bushmills | but it should answer the question whether linux is easy - unless "east to put on debian" was meant |
| 18:44.21 | zinx | iamnewbie: indeed |
| 18:44.27 | simonrvn | oh, could be xfce |
| 18:44.29 | Bushmills | easy |
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| 18:44.42 | iamnewbie | the interface is nice, bt half cantonese. i don't want to leave linux, hence the decision to stick in debian. what do you guys think? |
| 18:45.09 | Bushmills | but " never used linux. is it easy" seems to mean "is linux easy?" |
| 18:45.20 | zinx | iamnewbie: i don't think you'll have much problem with it, check those pages dpkg spit out when asked about eeepc though |
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| 18:45.47 | itchi | So, i should install netperf on two boxes to measue the speed of the network? Isn't available on stable yet |
| 18:45.47 | iamnewbie | sorry youve lost me zinx could you explain that? |
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| 18:46.05 | Rajec | Hi I have to compile c program on debian . what extension do I have to use |
| 18:46.26 | Rajec | and how to run it afterwards |
| 18:46.26 | valdyn | Rajec: your choice, .c and .h are the standard |
| 18:46.29 | Deepa^web | none afaik, but .c is preferred |
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| 18:46.43 | Deepa^web | When I boot teh computer I get a Transmit timed out, resetting |
| 18:46.47 | Rajec | valdyn: yeah but I have to compile them |
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| 18:46.51 | Deepa^web | and then something liek switching to 10 base |
| 18:46.55 | itchi | eeepc has Xandros i thought |
| 18:47.00 | zinx | iamnewbie: <dpkg> http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 18:47.13 | valdyn | Rajec: it needs to be proper C to compile, not have a specific file suffix |
| 18:47.19 | \amethyst | Rajec: you need the build-essential package at the very least: aptitude install build-essential |
| 18:47.25 | iamnewbie | zinx is the hardware for the 700 and the 900 the same or does it not matter? |
| 18:47.29 | simonrvn | itchi: i think you're right |
| 18:47.42 | \amethyst | Rajec: then (if it's just one .c file and doesn't use any extra libraries) you can do gcc -o program source.c |
| 18:47.52 | Rajec | valdyn: it is source code of c with some h files |
| 18:47.56 | zinx | iamnewbie: there's very little difference |
| 18:47.58 | simonrvn | itchi: they're the same arch, and very similar h/w |
| 18:48.00 | \amethyst | Rajec: does it come with a Makefile ? |
| 18:48.05 | simonrvn | iamnewbie: they're the same arch, and very similar h/w |
| 18:48.09 | itchi | simonrvn: I think too :-p My wife wanted to buy this for me, i had read some stuff about this ... |
| 18:48.11 | simonrvn | itchi: sorry dude |
| 18:48.13 | zinx | iamnewbie: mostly just the screen size, processor speed, and more drive space |
| 18:48.13 | \amethyst | Rajec: or a "configure" file? |
| 18:48.27 | valdyn | Rajec: or *omg* a README file |
| 18:48.33 | iamnewbie | zinx, ok then just follow the wiki page and all should be spiffing, as they say.... |
| 18:48.35 | simonrvn | *gasp* |
| 18:49.34 | iamnewbie | if i need more help is this the right irc or should i be using a different forum, again apologies for my ignorence in etiquette |
| 18:49.35 | zinx | iamnewbie: indeed |
| 18:49.39 | TheOnly | anyone got the latest apt exim working on lenny ? |
| 18:49.50 | zinx | iamnewbie: #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net may know a lot more |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | TheOnly: it has an issue .. see the BTS |
| 18:50.00 | TheOnly | bts ? |
| 18:50.06 | abrotman | !btssmite TheOnly |
| 18:50.06 | dpkg | beats TheOnly around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if TheOnly is running Unstable |
| 18:50.06 | iamnewbie | thanks for help zinx, your'e a star. |
| 18:50.18 | abrotman | iamnewbie: you're my hero! save me! |
| 18:50.19 | TheOnly | ah the bug tracker... |
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| 18:50.29 | TheOnly | sry, not familiar with the contraction <: |
| 18:50.35 | abrotman | acronym |
| 18:50.50 | TheOnly | yeah |
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| 18:51.52 | xingu | itchi: http://www.netperf.org/netperf/training/Netperf.html#0.2.2Z141Z1.SUJSTF.8R2DBD.J - only one system needs netperf, the target can just run netserver only |
| 18:52.24 | xingu | itchi: aah, except that in debian, they're all in the one package, lovely. |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | realizes he wanted to make zinx his hero |
| 18:53.40 | xingu | ... duh, they have to be, because netserver spawns netperf. |
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| 18:54.19 | Wildbill | HI |
| 18:54.21 | Wildbill | HI |
| 18:54.23 | Wildbill | HI |
| 18:54.32 | Wildbill | I HEARD THIS IS A CHANNEL FOR DEBRA OS |
| 18:54.35 | Wildbill | Y/N |
| 18:54.37 | Wildbill | ? |
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| 18:54.46 | Bushmills | but it isn't sunday today |
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| 18:55.02 | abrotman | Y, TURN TO PAGE 32 |
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| 18:55.27 | itchi | xingu: netperf depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 doh! |
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| 18:55.53 | valdyn | !info netperf etch |
| 18:56.10 | simonrvn | wtf was that? |
| 18:56.11 | zinx | !tell Bushmills about permasunday |
| 18:56.21 | itchi | valdyn: nah, i tried to install netperf from testing to stable :-p |
| 18:56.26 | abrotman | simonrvn: the capital letter bus .. |
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| 18:56.34 | chops | itchi: You want a backport, not what you're doing |
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| 18:56.41 | simonrvn | perma-stuck capslock |
| 18:56.51 | itchi | chops: Yeah, i'm lazy and like the quick sad things :-) |
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| 18:56.57 | Killing_Frost | Greetings... |
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| 18:57.30 | itchi | chops: even not on backports :-( |
| 18:57.37 | chops | itchi: If you're lazy, all the more reason to use backports instead of putting your system into a half-testing state that will require a lot of tricky by-hand work to fix again, or possibly a reinstall... |
| 18:57.40 | itchi | I'm screwed :-( |
| 18:57.41 | chops | itchi: You can also try ssb |
| 18:58.09 | itchi | chops: I only copied the deb, i'm not that crazy (yet) |
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| 18:59.39 | zarnozC | What is the best (easiest) PXE server for debian? |
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| 19:01.29 | Killing_Frost | doesn't even know what pxe is, so... |
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| 19:02.03 | abrotman | zarnozC: the tftp stuff? IIRC only two and IIRC the one starting with 'a' was easier |
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| 19:02.34 | frog | hi, i see ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A in dmseg. does it mean, that when i have a dev pulugged to serial port , run minicom and set /dev/ttyS00 in serial port setup, should the minicom see the dev? |
| 19:02.36 | dutchfish | !info tftpd-hpa etch |
| 19:02.40 | zarnozC | abrotman: Is there a gui? |
| 19:03.39 | itchi | E: Unable to find a source package for netperf :-( Heh, is this been possible?? |
| 19:03.46 | Mirybr | I love debian |
| 19:03.48 | Killing_Frost | Check out the setserial command You may need to tweak UARTs. |
| 19:03.48 | Mirybr | my first install |
| 19:03.49 | chops | itchi: Add a deb-src line |
| 19:03.56 | chops | itchi: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:03.56 | Mirybr | and the fact it has a gui installer in <11mb is sweet |
| 19:03.58 | itchi | chops: Yeah, sure, that of sid |
| 19:04.07 | itchi | chops: Did that /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:04.29 | stew | itchi: its in non-free |
| 19:04.35 | itchi | ah, right |
| 19:04.40 | dutchfish | zarnozC, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 19:04.58 | itchi | I'm messing my server guys! :-p |
| 19:05.15 | dutchfish | !tell itchi about dfs |
| 19:05.27 | alexandroos | hello |
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| 19:10.12 | itchi | okay, i know what i could do this week, cleaning my server :-p |
| 19:10.42 | dutchfish | hands itchi a nice bottle of turtlewax |
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| 19:11.00 | Killing_Frost | Can anyone recommend a good, free dhis server? |
| 19:11.19 | Mirybr | I'm going to try to make debian fit on my wrt |
| 19:12.08 | frog | hi, i see ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A in dmseg. does it mean, that when i have a dev pulugged to serial port , run minicom and set /dev/ttyS00 in serial port setup, should the minicom "see" the dev? |
| 19:12.28 | wah | hi. i have a fresh debian etch installation and the installation stops at 18% at "select and install software" after retrieving all files the installer should retrieve. i use a special boot cd made by the manufacturer of the raid controller. how can i find out where the problem is? do you have any suggestions please? |
| 19:12.45 | xingu | dutchfish: made from real turtles? |
| 19:12.59 | xingu | !18% |
| 19:12.59 | dpkg | 0.18 |
| 19:13.02 | xingu | heh |
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| 19:13.19 | xingu | it was worth a shot |
| 19:13.22 | dutchfish | xingu, no, but it should be a green bottle ;) |
| 19:13.22 | wah | :-) |
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| 19:13.33 | Killing_Frost | thinks minicom only work with modems that support the hayse "AT" command set. |
| 19:13.39 | tanner | why would i recieve a "The CD-ROM does not seem to contain a valid 'Release' file" error? |
| 19:14.03 | frog | Killing_Frost: no, it'S not the case |
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| 19:14.16 | itchi | Well, now i should learn to read that netperf output. http://paste.debian.net/2728/ So my network speed is 372.35 Mb/s ? |
| 19:14.19 | pll | Any debootstrap gurus around ? |
| 19:14.32 | wah | the installer does not hang completely imo because i still see that the dhcp client is receiving new ips (renewal every 300secs) |
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| 19:15.17 | jelly-home | Killing_Frost: minicom works with anything that looks like a serial port, actually |
| 19:15.22 | dutchfish | xingu, dust is ones enemy you know in the serverroom |
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| 19:16.54 | jelly-home | frog: do you have a /dev/ttyS00 ? It's /dev/ttyS0 usually. |
| 19:16.59 | pep | how can I get the source for a certain package? |
| 19:17.00 | Killing_Frost | recommends trying to toggle "echo" on and off to see if whatever's connected to the serial port responds. to output. |
| 19:17.17 | dondelelcaro | pep: apt-get source foo; assuming you have deb-src lines in your sources.list |
| 19:17.28 | pep | ok, I have it |
| 19:17.31 | Killing_Frost | Try 'aptitude source <package> |
| 19:17.43 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Do you understand the output of netperf? |
| 19:17.46 | haxality | how would I add a user to a group? |
| 19:17.53 | dondelelcaro | haxality: adduser user group; man adduser; |
| 19:17.57 | tanner | anyone know why i would get a "The CD-ROM does not seem to contain a valid 'Release' file" error on an ISO image? |
| 19:17.59 | haxality | thank you. |
| 19:18.01 | dondelelcaro | itchi: um... possibly; what's the output? |
| 19:18.02 | frog | jelly-home: i see ttyS00 in dmesg. i have also tried with ttyS0, but with no luck |
| 19:18.16 | Mirybr | whats the command to check the size of all files under / |
| 19:18.19 | itchi | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/2728/ So my network speed is 372.35 Mb/s ? |
| 19:18.22 | Mirybr | is there such a command |
| 19:18.23 | dondelelcaro | Mirybr: man du |
| 19:18.29 | Mirybr | wewt man page |
| 19:18.30 | jelly-home | frog: that doesn't really answer the question, though |
| 19:18.37 | pep | and where are sources put? |
| 19:18.45 | itchi | Mirybr: If you run testing or higher check ncdu |
| 19:18.56 | Killing_Frost | Current working dir for sources. |
| 19:18.59 | pll | pep: sources are plonked into $PWD |
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| 19:19.08 | pep | ok |
| 19:19.13 | zarnozC | What is ldap? |
| 19:19.26 | itchi | zarnozC: Check wikipedia |
| 19:19.40 | pll | zarnozC: far more complicated than it's 'lightweight' name would imply. |
| 19:20.01 | jelly-home | zarnozC: dude, changing nicks won't help getting answers to (dumb?) questions |
| 19:20.04 | pll | anyone here knowledgable about debootstrap ? |
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| 19:20.35 | docmax | hello i need your helf with bluetooth |
| 19:20.49 | zarnozC | Is it related to PXE boot? |
| 19:20.53 | docmax | i need to set up a serial port service |
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| 19:21.06 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it means that between 0.0.0.0 (local machine) and zoro.horse there is 372.35x10^6 bit/s between them; that's somewhere around 300Mb/s |
| 19:21.24 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: convert 372.35 megabit to mebibit |
| 19:21.25 | dpkg | 372.35 megabit is approximately 355.101 mebibit |
| 19:21.26 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Ah :-( I have a gigabit lan now |
| 19:22.02 | jelly-home | ... does _anyone_ use mebibit/s? :-) |
| 19:22.03 | dondelelcaro | itchi: well, there's always some overhead; it's definetly running at what would be gigabit speeds |
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| 19:22.20 | frog | jelly-home: ok, in dev there are only ttyS0 ttyS1 ttyS2 ttyS3 ttyS4 |
| 19:22.23 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: when most people talk about megabit, that's what they mean |
| 19:22.27 | cizra | Hi Debianizers. How do you specify another MAC address in /etc/network/interfaces, if using DHCP? |
| 19:23.01 | dondelelcaro | though, actually, ISTR the networking specs being in megabit = 10^6 bit |
| 19:23.01 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: eh, but ethernet specs don't |
| 19:23.01 | cizra | I tried adding a \t hwaddr ether [mac goes here] below the DHCP configuring line, but it balks. |
| 19:23.12 | justin | itchi: does the program you are using have an option to increase the window size? |
| 19:23.59 | itchi | justin: Well i don't know yet :-p, first time i use netperf and i guess i understand 0.2% of the app :-) |
| 19:24.01 | jelly-home | frog: yup, kernel output is a bit misleading. Use what's actually present in /dev |
| 19:24.12 | Killing_Frost | thinks pppd should prolly be used for serial port communications. |
| 19:24.14 | dutchfish | cizra, hwaddress class address |
| 19:24.26 | justin | itchi: well, if you bump up the window a bit, it should go a lot faster |
| 19:24.32 | justin | itchi: unless your switches suck :) |
| 19:24.51 | frog | jelly-home: i have also tried with ttyS0, but with no luck |
| 19:25.02 | cizra | dutchfish: iface eth0 inet dhcp #hwaddress ether 00:15:c5:67:ff:ff |
| 19:25.07 | pep | I want to complie a package which in the Makefile needs pcmcia-cs/include dir, but there is no /include in the sources. Any ideas? |
| 19:25.12 | cizra | dutchfish: iface eth0 inet dhcp\n\thwaddress ether 00:15:c5:67:ff:ff |
| 19:25.19 | cizra | dutchfish: This thing doesn't work. |
| 19:25.21 | jelly-home | frog: I see, but that one at least has a non-zero chance of working |
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| 19:25.32 | itchi | justin: It's a Dlink DGS-1008D |
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| 19:25.50 | tanner | >.> why's it gotta be so complicated to setup automated headless install |
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| 19:25.55 | frog | jelly-home: i dont get you |
| 19:26.10 | Killing_Frost | wonders if the 2.6.26 kernel is out yet. |
| 19:26.10 | itchi | Green power support, or whatever it was called, it calculate the cable length to ajdust power. Will consum lesser power |
| 19:26.14 | jelly-home | frog: use /dev/ttyS0. |
| 19:26.17 | debian | Does changin box make it easier to get answers to (dumb?) questions? |
| 19:26.33 | itchi | debian: Change of planet |
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| 19:26.48 | frog | jelly-home: as i said, it doesn't work |
| 19:27.13 | jelly-home | debian: no, but learning to use available resources like google and wikipedia des |
| 19:27.27 | docmax | i need to setup my bluetooth |
| 19:27.31 | pep | that is, is there a debianish substitute for ordinary /include dirs? |
| 19:27.37 | jelly-home | frog: right, but /dev/ttyS00 will never work |
| 19:27.40 | docmax | where du i configure serial com services? |
| 19:27.41 | intheboat | how can i switch from locale french to turkish locale in terminal |
| 19:28.20 | jelly-home | pep: you'll need to install the relevant -dev package that bring those header files |
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| 19:28.34 | jelly-home | !tell pep -about search |
| 19:28.46 | stew | cizra: what makes you say it doesn't work? do you get an error? |
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| 19:29.22 | Killing_Frost | export LANG=<language> ?? |
| 19:29.26 | Legality | Hi, Is load average 1.5 on a 2 cpu server same as 0.5 load on one cpu server? |
| 19:29.32 | drwahl | intheboat: if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure locale' you should be able to select the locale you wish to set for you environment |
| 19:29.35 | stew | pep: debian would put headers in /usr/include |
| 19:29.39 | dutchfish | cizra, should work but not when interface is up, hwaddress ether 02:01:02:03:04:08 is correct syntax, i dont know if this works with dhcp |
| 19:29.40 | cizra | stew: yes |
| 19:29.41 | frog | jelly-home /dev/ttyS0 neither |
| 19:29.46 | stew | cizra: what is the error? |
| 19:29.54 | cizra | Uno momento, I'll make it happen |
| 19:30.01 | jelly-home | frog: works for me... |
| 19:30.22 | Legality | cpu's, anyone? |
| 19:30.33 | frog | but not for me |
| 19:30.35 | drwahl | Legality: that number is a whole number, meaning that it is kinda hard to use if for any solid computations, however... |
| 19:30.49 | cizra | stew, dutchfish: SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy - you may need to down the interface |
| 19:30.49 | stew | Legality: its the same as a .75 load on a one cpu server, depending on what you mean |
| 19:30.53 | davis | hello |
| 19:31.05 | Legality | stew: ok, thanks |
| 19:31.06 | drwahl | 1.0 per cpu should be a decent load. once you get anything over 2.0 per cpu, you will start to see your compy run like a 3 legged dog |
| 19:31.16 | stew | cizra: if you run "ifconfig eth0 down" first, does it work? |
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| 19:31.22 | tanner | if i have to extract an install ISO to modify it, what mkisofs params do i need to rebuild it properly? |
| 19:31.24 | dutchfish | cizra, /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 19:31.31 | jelly-home | drwahl: not really |
| 19:31.41 | davis | i have a package which I upgraded. When I did that, I told it to keep my existing config. Now it is broken. Is there a way I can get to reinstall and ask me if I want to use the package maintainers config or my old one? |
| 19:31.42 | cizra | stew: nope |
| 19:31.46 | drwahl | stew: that isnt exactly true. you can prioritize threads to run on certain cores and such |
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| 19:31.49 | cizra | dutchfish: nope, that was ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
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| 19:31.59 | rhapsodhy | hello |
| 19:32.00 | drwahl | jelly-home: not exactly what? |
| 19:32.18 | drwahl | jelly-home: my analigy? |
| 19:32.23 | rhapsodhy | how should i persuade apt not to install all the xserver drivers when i want only the core? |
| 19:32.24 | cizra | stew: Apparently the thing first brings the interface up and then tries to set hwaddr |
| 19:32.27 | cizra | .. which fails. |
| 19:32.38 | jelly-home | drwahl: using the load average exact numbers (> 2*ncpu = slow) isn't really accurate |
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| 19:32.40 | dutchfish | cizra, no trailing spaces after the max adress? |
| 19:32.46 | pep | stew, the command in the makefile is this: PCMCIADIR=/usr/src/pcmcia-cs-3.1.31/include , but there is no /include dir in the current pcmcia-cs source package |
| 19:32.49 | dutchfish | s/max/mac |
| 19:32.58 | stew | cizra: perhaps you can switch to using "pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:23:45..." |
| 19:33.37 | drwahl | jelly-home: i know that isnt exact, but its a good start. i have had my single core cpu at 3.0+ at times and it seems to be half way decent, however, usually that signifies that there is something going on that is eating up the cpu |
| 19:33.43 | jelly-home | drwahl: for one thing, processes waiting for io give a +1 on loadavg, while using no cpu time |
| 19:33.52 | cizra | stew: probable |
| 19:33.55 | cizra | dutchfish: no |
| 19:34.05 | pep | cizra, use macchanger |
| 19:34.28 | davis | i have a package which I upgraded. When I did that, I told it to keep my existing config. Now it is broken. Is there a way I can get to reinstall and ask me if I want to use the package maintainers config or my old one? |
| 19:34.34 | stew | pep: and pcmcia-cs-3.1.31 isn't in debian in any case, that is a very old version. what are you trying to compile? |
| 19:34.50 | pep | ifdown ethX; macchanger --mac=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX ethX; ifup ethX |
| 19:34.53 | jelly-home | drwahl: I see loads of 5-20 on 2 cpu machines that are still responsive ;-) |
| 19:34.54 | cizra | stew: works |
| 19:35.00 | Killing_Frost | Aptitude reinstall <package> |
| 19:35.03 | cizra | Thank you guys! |
| 19:35.11 | cizra | (gals?) |
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| 19:35.51 | rhapsodhy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.54 | pep | stew, airjack. And I'm using the latest pcmcia-cs version, which btw is a transitional package to pcmciautils, which in turn does not have a /include dir |
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| 19:36.31 | drwahl | jelly-home: sounds like there are a lot of bum processes hanging around then :) there are of course always exceptions to the rule, however, a general rule of thumb that i was taught and have always used is that a load avg. of about 3.0 per core tends to indicate a lot of usage and possibly time to upgrade/maintainance |
| 19:36.46 | dutchfish | !tell rhapsodhy about hold |
| 19:37.11 | jelly-home | drwahl: yeah.... no. ;-) |
| 19:37.22 | Killing_Frost | rhapsodhy: dpkg -i <package> (I think) |
| 19:37.36 | rhapsodhy | nice, tahnks |
| 19:37.41 | stew | pep: it looks like the last release to airjack was 5 years ago? it seems like perhaps you should look for something else |
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| 19:38.22 | pep | yes, it's old, but I haven't found anything similar |
| 19:38.22 | jelly-home | drwahl: the machines in question process the mail efficiently and without noticeable delays. It's an antispam farm |
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| 19:39.13 | MrWGW | can the Debian package manager system, via any of its components, give you a list of all files that will be added or modified by a package, or that the package is dependent upon? |
| 19:39.26 | haxality | I want to run a script as part of shutdown, but there is no /etc/rc.localstop. how do I do this? |
| 19:39.27 | intheboat | <drwahl> yes i will just also switch |
| 19:40.08 | stew | pep: the include files for pcmcia would be part of the kernel headers these days. though since this software was released before linux 2.6 existed, I'd guess that you have little chance of getting it to compile in testing or unstable |
| 19:40.27 | jelly-home | MrWGW: apt-file will show the contents of packages not yet installed. dpkg -L for the installed ones. the modification part is a bit harder |
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| 19:40.51 | pep | stew, but the last release says the package was rewritten for 2.6 |
| 19:41.04 | stew | MrWGW: "apt-file list pacakgename" would tell you what would be installed (/msg dpkg apt-file). "aptitude --simulate install packagename" would show you the actions that would be taken if you were to run "aptitude install packagename" |
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| 19:42.08 | Killing_Frost | aptitude -s will simulate the action you want to perform |
| 19:42.10 | jelly-home | pep: hm. linux-headers-$(uname -r), then? |
| 19:42.15 | stew | pep: well, since it came out before 2.6, i think the chances it works with a recent kernel is slim |
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| 19:42.18 | MrWGW | perfect, thank you very much |
| 19:42.35 | rhapsodhy | it says: The following held packages will be changed: |
| 19:42.49 | rhapsodhy | and lists the packages i run the command for |
| 19:43.06 | rhapsodhy | echo pkg hold |dpkg --set-selections |
| 19:43.26 | pep | jelly-home, I already have them |
| 19:43.47 | pep | stew, http://www.arhont.com/digitalAssets/191_README.txt |
| 19:44.01 | jelly-home | pep: and using -I /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include doesn't help? |
| 19:44.15 | pep | let's try |
| 19:44.25 | stew | pep: then the include directory would be /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/pcmcia |
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| 19:44.32 | pep | ok |
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| 19:44.45 | jpeltier | hello all |
| 19:44.57 | jpeltier | can anyone help me with a preseeding question? |
| 19:45.24 | jelly-home | stew: the app prbably uses <pcmcia/foo.h>, so s,/pcmcia,, |
| 19:45.28 | stew | pep: oh, ok, i guess they have had a more recent release. i was looking at sourceforge which i guess is no longer the right place |
| 19:45.55 | davis | i have a package which I upgraded. When I did that, I told it to keep my existing config. Now it is broken. Is there a way I can get to reinstall and ask me if I want to use the package maintainers config or my old one? |
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| 19:46.09 | jpeltier | i'm looking at finding a way to preseed dual boot installations. I want to be able to remove only the linux partitions but can't find the preseed option to do that |
| 19:46.32 | Killing_Frost | davis: aptitude reinstall <package> |
| 19:46.55 | davis | Killing_Frost: thanks |
| 19:47.19 | davis | hmm |
| 19:47.23 | davis | that did not work. |
| 19:47.41 | davis | it did not ask me if I wanted to use the package maintainers config or my own. |
| 19:47.52 | davis | it did not ask me anything in fact. |
| 19:48.13 | Killing_Frost | davis: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> after moving the config file somewhere else. |
| 19:48.35 | chops | davis: You can remove the config file, and then /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:49.20 | stew | davis: if you want the maintainers version, you can do what chops says but you don't have to remove first, just use confnew instead of confmiss |
| 19:49.50 | stew | davis: if you want it to ask you again, you can see if the pacakge is using ucf, "grep ucf /var/lib/dpkg/info/pacakgename.postinst" will tell you the command it used to ask you |
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| 19:49.53 | wah | pep apt/msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:50.04 | wah | sorry |
| 19:50.45 | Killing_Frost | AFKs to check how sweet he is. |
| 19:51.04 | abrotman | Killing_Frost is a dog? |
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| 19:52.34 | Killing_Frost | is a book, a weather condition, a long-haired fairy (LK Hamilton), and a female super villain, so far. Now I gotta b a dog too? |
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| 19:53.52 | davis | well, it still fails to config and it does not ask me to choose a config file. |
| 19:54.17 | davis | Not a subroutine reference at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzilla/Template.pm line 59. |
| 19:54.18 | davis | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/checksetup.pl line 1291 |
| 19:54.41 | embkas | can anyone point me to a howto which explains installing of openoffice.org beta 3.0 - I' ve asked on openoffice.org, but no answers |
| 19:54.43 | davis | it looks like to me that the files are out of sync. |
| 19:54.51 | abrotman | embkas: the website ? |
| 19:54.59 | davis | i did a apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install bugzilla |
| 19:54.59 | henr_k | is it possible to create a CSR based on the public-key and not the private key via openssl? |
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| 19:57.10 | stew | davis: what version of debian is this? |
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| 19:58.01 | davis | unstable |
| 19:58.40 | stew | davis: there is a major perl transition in progress, you should check the bts |
| 19:59.40 | davis | ok. many thanks. |
| 19:59.49 | davis | i can't remember how to do that. |
| 19:59.57 | davis | its bugreport, right? |
| 20:00.02 | Killing_Frost | can't even burn a CD because of that. |
| 20:00.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell davis -about bts |
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| 20:00.08 | stew | davis: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 20:00.43 | itchi | Is there an easy to clean the apt-get build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename ? |
| 20:00.51 | itchi | way* |
| 20:00.58 | stew | itchi: what do you mean by clean? |
| 20:01.07 | itchi | stew: remove the packages |
| 20:01.17 | stew | itchi: no |
| 20:01.18 | davis | thanks |
| 20:01.38 | itchi | stew: No problem, i have tha packes in the logs but was wondering if ... |
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| 20:02.00 | Killing_Frost | aptitude clean | autoclean |
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| 20:02.25 | stew | Killing_Frost: no |
| 20:03.09 | MarcWeber | I've tried updating my system. âÂNow I've a problem with one experimental package I neither can reinstall nor remove http://rafb.net/p/akkgcM34.html |
| 20:03.21 | MarcWeber | Which is the way to recover? |
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| 20:05.21 | stew | MarcWeber: try seeing why it fails by running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/ghc6.prerm upgrade 6.8.2-5" |
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| 20:06.01 | stevil | anyone what it means if monit has a status of "status Does not exist", i'm wondering what doesn't exist? when i strace it's process i see that it looks for the pid file i configured however, this pid file doesn't exist since the service i'm monitoring doesn't yet run |
| 20:06.22 | Killing_Frost | is getting ready to rm -rf /* and reinstall Sarge. |
| 20:06.58 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:07.34 | itchi | Killing_Frost: There's no support anymore for Sarge heh |
| 20:07.46 | itchi | Killing_Frost: You will leave with the holes |
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| 20:07.49 | Killing_Frost | Alright. Then Slink. |
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| 20:08.04 | CarlCox | anyone here have zydas? |
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| 20:10.07 | tim | How do I change the charset? |
| 20:10.17 | tim | Umlauts aren't displayed properly here. |
| 20:11.03 | embkas | abrotman: what do you mean - the web-site? I've found out I will find an old laptop out of production to install OOo Beta on - I was on to install it on a laptop in production - don't think that'd be very wise. |
| 20:11.16 | Killing_Frost | tim: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:11.43 | tim | Thanks Killing_Frost! |
| 20:12.06 | embkas | abrotman: But when I am to install this beta version of OOo. I have planned to unpack the tar.gz file, move into the deb-folder and write dpkg -i *.deb. Does that sound right? |
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| 20:14.05 | Killing_Frost | thinks a binary deb will go to whee it's intended, but a source package goes to the current working dir...I think. |
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| 20:14.49 | abrotman | embkas: what? |
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| 20:15.21 | Killing_Frost | Tar.gz files should use tar to unarchive them. |
| 20:15.37 | simonrvn | !wayttd embkas |
| 20:15.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, embkas? |
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| 20:16.02 | stew | embkas: i'd be suprised if the upstream openoffices.org .tar.gz contained .debs. |
| 20:16.15 | Killing_Frost | tar -xfz <<package> |
| 20:16.43 | MarcWeber | stew Ah thanks. I've opened that file and put a exit 0 inside it. Maybe I've some dangling files flying around.. But I can continue. I think that reinstalling then removing will remove the dangiling files as well |
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| 20:18.51 | poseidon | Does anyone here know how I can remove grub from a machine with no os? |
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| 20:19.34 | ay^ | poseidon: you can overwrite it using a xp-disk |
| 20:19.41 | Killing_Frost | cfdisk the thing with a rescue disk. |
| 20:20.08 | poseidon | ay^, I thought about it, but I don't have one (My one that I do have is an oem and it's for another computer) |
| 20:20.42 | aztec101 | hay need a good QOS set up for lenny and one that is easy to configure |
| 20:20.45 | ay^ | poseidon: you only need to boot into it, and run recovery mode, and type something like fix mbr |
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| 20:20.50 | apt_get | Hi |
| 20:21.04 | apt_get | How to see my current console-resolution in Debian |
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| 20:21.25 | poseidon | ay^, It shouldnt' work because the cd I have is oem |
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| 20:21.32 | poseidon | and it's not for that machine |
| 20:22.22 | ay^ | poseidon: oh.. it doesn't even allow you to boot into the menu of the disc and use recovery mode? I have used OEMdiscs.. but perhaps not those legal ones.. |
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| 20:22.38 | stew | poseidon: why do you want to get rid of grub? |
| 20:22.50 | stew | poseidon: are you going to replace it with something? do you want it to boot to some partition instead? |
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| 20:23.48 | poseidon | stew, I want to isntall reactOS on a old computer that I had running debian. I'm upgrading debian to my new machine. |
| 20:23.56 | Killing_Frost | If it's a windows /DOS disk 'fdisk /mbr' should wipe grub. |
| 20:24.11 | stew | poseidon: why do you need to remove grub in order to install reactos? |
| 20:24.23 | DirtyDawg | guys i'v just installed debian on a dual boot with xp, what do i need to install so i can mount the windows drive, i can see it, just wont let me mount/browse it? |
| 20:24.46 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 20:24.46 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 20:25.02 | poseidon | stew, I was told that reactos doens't work with ext3 or grub |
| 20:25.04 | stew | that should probably contain a mkdir |
| 20:25.11 | itchi | DirtyDawg: See also /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 20:25.21 | DirtyDawg | k thx, am looking now |
| 20:25.33 | jpeltier | so no help with dual boot preseeding eh?!? :( |
| 20:25.34 | abrotman | stew: it's not a command |
| 20:25.34 | stew | poseidon: presumably reactos would come with its own bootloader which would replace grub |
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| 20:25.56 | stew | abrotman: yes, its an fstab entry which will fail without a mkdir |
| 20:26.02 | poseidon | stew, it comes with freeloader, but it has a hard time replacing grub |
| 20:26.03 | thrope | hi is there any way to force a reinstall of an installed package? |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | stew: /msg dpkg fish :) |
| 20:26.18 | stew | thrope: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 20:26.25 | Killing_Frost | aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 20:26.27 | stew | poseidon: what makes you say it has a hard time? |
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| 20:26.50 | poseidon | stew, I was told by someone |
| 20:27.05 | thrope | stew: thanks - how can I force it to download it again (where should I delete the cached deb file) |
| 20:27.12 | abrotman | aptitude clean |
| 20:27.20 | stew | poseidon: well grub lives on the first 439 bytes of the drive, you could overwrite it with zeros, i can't imagine why whatever bootloader couldn't also do the same |
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| 20:27.30 | stew | thrope: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:27.33 | abrotman | thrope: what did you do that you need to reinstall it ? |
| 20:27.45 | Killing_Frost | still recommends cfdisk, wipe all partitions and save/write, then install your prg. |
| 20:27.48 | zyx386 | is Debian lenny with KDE4? |
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| 20:27.56 | abrotman | not yet if it ever will be |
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| 20:28.24 | stew | !fish is also the "Friendly Interactive SHell" a non-posix compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 20:28.24 | dpkg | slaps is also the "Friendly Interactive SHell" a non-posix compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org around with a large trout |
| 20:28.28 | thrope | abrotman: I'm developing a package but can't bump the version number everytime I want to test it - I've just done a release and want to update my test machine to theofficial released version - but the test version it has installed has the same version numebr |
| 20:28.31 | stew | blah |
| 20:28.34 | zyx386 | tahnx abrotman |
| 20:28.38 | thrope | stew: thanks got it |
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| 20:30.00 | abrotman | thrope: dpkg -P first ? |
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| 20:30.51 | Killing_Frost | concludes he's old and needs a nap. |
| 20:31.06 | thrope | abrotman: yep - except theres one package that we can't uninstall... it's a long story, but we use the packages to manage it infrastructure, one is for all the networking setup and its too complicated to make it uninstall cleanly |
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| 20:33.30 | abrotman | thrope: cute .. okay |
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| 20:36.31 | xand | !ftpmustdie |
| 20:36.32 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:38.02 | shellito | Hi people.. Im studing snort.. Im reading the "official" documentation and there is a way to run snort just saving without save every package... well my question is something differente :s, what is the default way to run for snort in debian I thinks is: PARAMS="-m 027 -D -d " but not sure. |
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| 20:40.09 | shellito | I got that from /etc/default/snort.. cuz in the /etc/init.d/snort there is an "if-else" and if doesn't work.. so I guess else "/etc/default/snort" start to work. |
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| 20:44.48 | twobitwork | in a debian/rules file, when it runs configure... should it give a --prefix other than /usr? the default one give /usr but shouldn |
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| 20:44.57 | twobitwork | 't it be installing in some relative path? |
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| 20:45.07 | debian | How does wall work? |
| 20:45.09 | Tramp | shellito: well, that's the default way to give parameters to a bootscript. You could also ckeck with ps -ef (or ps auxww) to see the paramters it has been started with or even run the init-script with sh -x and check the output. |
| 20:45.13 | debian | WOuld all users see it? |
| 20:45.43 | abrotman | debian: man wall .. READ |
| 20:45.43 | twobitwork | debian: man wall says: Wall displays the contents of file or, by default, its standard input, on the terminals of all currently logged in users. |
| 20:45.58 | shellito | Tramp, :s I forgot that.. thank you. |
| 20:46.26 | twobitwork | abrotman: unf! :) |
| 20:46.26 | debian | Would wall work for gui users? |
| 20:46.30 | twobitwork | debian: tias |
| 20:46.39 | debian | ? |
| 20:46.41 | twobitwork | !tias |
| 20:46.41 | dpkg | from memory, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 20:46.56 | stew | debian: it would show up in any terminal windows |
| 20:47.12 | debian | Not as a popup for gnome? |
| 20:47.24 | stew | correct |
| 20:47.46 | debian | What I want to is to show a message, where the user of a gui can answer. |
| 20:49.07 | CrocoJet | hello for all |
| 20:49.14 | abrotman | there are GUI clients for talk .. and linneighborhood |
| 20:49.22 | abrotman | or you could use this thing called email |
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| 20:49.31 | debian | Names? Whatr should I aptitude install? |
| 20:49.55 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: they almost always give $(PWD)/debian/tmp or similar as the --destdir, actually. |
| 20:50.16 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: --prefix is often used for the resolution of internal paths, like "where are my data files located" |
| 20:50.23 | CrocoJet | one question, if I make one install via netinstall, I will get last updates (stables) ?update |
| 20:50.41 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: and often you don't need to specify DESTDIR until $(MAKE) install time. |
| 20:50.45 | abrotman | CrocoJet: provided you have a standard http source and the security updates |
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| 20:51.04 | CrocoJet | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 20:51.13 | twobitwork | dondelelcaro: ok, so I should leave configure line alone, and trust dpkg-buildpackage to put stuff in the right place via DESTDIR? |
| 20:51.23 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: uh... no. |
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| 20:51.35 | tanner | man i hate not knowing whats going on with my machines |
| 20:51.55 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: you have to put it in the right place in the rules file (or something else in the rules file has to do the right thing for you) |
| 20:53.16 | Hoxzer | I hate problems that at first don't seem to make any sense |
| 20:53.29 | twobitwork | dondelelcaro: ok... the whole debian packaging thing is confusing for me... seems like there's so much voodoo going on that I never know which I should explicitly do something or if the utilities are going to do it for me |
| 20:54.02 | twobitwork | Hoxzer: what's worse is when you find yourself working around a problem that doesn't exist... like you misread the docs or something |
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| 20:56.29 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: uh... there's not much voodoo at all, actually. |
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| 20:57.45 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: it's just a makefile; the makefile calls everything that actually is involved in assembling the package. dpkg-buildpackage doesn't do anything besides call the makefile (and dpkg-genchanges, dpkg-source, and a few other things that have little to do with building the actual binary package) |
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| 21:00.32 | susanne-- | there is a problem in the usb subsystem in the linux kernel, where drives that go to sleep (such as certain seagate drives) and incorrectly put their electronics to sleep as well as the drive get disconnected by the usb subsystem. this isn't a problem in windows because windows will attempt to reconnect a drive before issuing an error to the user, but linux makes no such allowances for poorly-designed drives. does anybody |
| 21:00.32 | susanne-- | know if a work-around for such crappy drives has been implemented in the linux kernel yet? |
| 21:00.48 | debian | I want to display a gui two way chat at a remote computer |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | i told you how |
| 21:01.13 | abrotman | or you could use an IM system like jabber or AIM or msn or whatever |
| 21:01.20 | debian | abrotman: Repeat please, sorry I am a little distant |
| 21:01.40 | debian | I need the name of the GUI for talk |
| 21:02.03 | debian | My users doesnt have email, and they would have to login for AIM, msn or whatever |
| 21:02.05 | abrotman | !tell debian about search |
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| 21:06.33 | debian | abrotman: This thing wont let me scroll up.. |
| 21:06.42 | dondelelcaro | susanne--: there are supposedly firmware upgrades for the drive enclosures to fix it; it's actually not the usb subsystem's problem. |
| 21:08.46 | s0lid | what's the package of openssl-devel called in debian? |
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| 21:09.12 | julian | hi, how can i see what changes are made to what files after a dist-upgrade |
| 21:09.17 | dondelelcaro | s0lid: libssl-dev; apt-cache search is your friend. |
| 21:09.20 | susanne-- | dondelelcaro: it SHOULDN'T be the usb subsystem problems, but we both know that there are a littany of enclosure manufacturers -- not just big ones like seagate -- that exhibit this problem and whose manufacturers don't give a rat's patootie about linux support. there are plenty of other situations where misbehaving hardware has been worked around in the kernel, and i'd seen discussion in places like debian lists and lkml |
| 21:09.20 | susanne-- | discussing options. |
| 21:09.34 | the-dude | s0lid: libssl-dev |
| 21:10.06 | chops | susanne--: You can always put a script in cron to touch the filesystem every minute |
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| 21:10.24 | dondelelcaro | susanne--: it isn't a usb subsystem problem; and in any event, the enclosures should have firmware upgrades to fix them. Regardless, even if it was, this isn't the place to talk about it, as this isn't #kernel-hackers |
| 21:10.55 | docmax | im googling and cant find any help |
| 21:11.01 | susanne-- | chops: that's actually not a bad idea. now the hassle is converting from macos (the only *nix OS that doesn't exhibit this problem) |
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| 21:11.13 | docmax | i need to setup a serial com bluetooth service |
| 21:11.15 | helo | anyone know how to boot usb (or dd from hd) .img files over a net connection via pxe? |
| 21:11.18 | dondelelcaro | susanne--: uh... macos has the problem as well, actually. |
| 21:11.22 | docmax | any idea how to to it? |
| 21:11.26 | madclicker | hi, does debian etch has a mysqli driver? |
| 21:11.27 | docmax | do |
| 21:11.27 | dondelelcaro | (though you may not be seeing it) |
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| 21:12.04 | susanne-- | dondelelcaro: not in my experience; it doesn't exhibit this problem on any of the 8 drives i have hanging on my mac mini. |
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| 21:12.28 | susanne-- | in any event, i appreciate the help; time to go see the divorce attorney. |
| 21:12.46 | devicenull | one of the programs I'm compiling needs libGL.. but I can't seem to find a package for this, is it named differently? |
| 21:13.03 | chops | !tell devicenull about search |
| 21:13.10 | devicenull | I have been searching |
| 21:13.20 | devicenull | but theres 15-20 "libgl*" packages in apt |
| 21:13.32 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: you probably don't have libgl-dev installed. |
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| 21:13.53 | chops | devicenull: How have you been searching? What's the compile error? |
| 21:14.16 | devicenull | libgl-dev doesnt install.. aptitude just says 0 packages installed |
| 21:14.26 | devicenull | chops: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 21:14.34 | devicenull | which means I'm missing libGL |
| 21:14.36 | s0lid | ok great! tnx! |
| 21:14.44 | chops | devicenull: So say apt-file search libGL |
| 21:14.54 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: so install libgl1-mesa-dev or similar, which you would have found if you used apt-cache search. |
| 21:15.29 | alexandroos | i can't find the xmms player on the official repositories? do i need it to compile it myself? |
| 21:15.30 | devicenull | libgl1-mesa-dev is already installed |
| 21:15.42 | chops | !tell alexandroos about xmms |
| 21:16.04 | alexandroos | thanks chops |
| 21:16.20 | chops | alexandroos: np |
| 21:17.46 | chops | devicenull: libgl1-mesa-dev is installed? Does /usr/lib/libGL.so exist? Does the file it points to exist? Have you by any chance installed the binary nvidia drivers? |
| 21:17.58 | devicenull | yea, I do have the binary drivers |
| 21:18.10 | dcnoye | what is the command to see who is logged to a server ? |
| 21:18.14 | chops | dcnoye: who |
| 21:18.25 | devicenull | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 exists, I was about to symlink it to libGL.so |
| 21:18.45 | chops | devicenull: Why would you do that by hand? libGL.so is provided by libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 21:18.51 | dcnoye | i thought who only told you who you are, not who else |
| 21:19.06 | chops | dcnoye: 'whoami' tells you who you are |
| 21:19.16 | devicenull | chops: since libgl1-mesa-dev is already installed and it apparently wasnt linked |
| 21:19.54 | dcnoye | ok |
| 21:20.01 | chops | devicenull: Well, that's a problem right there, if a package was installed but a file it provides does not exist. What makes you think libgl1-mesa-dev is installed? What are you planning to link libGL.so to? |
| 21:20.17 | chops | devicenull: Ah, I see, libGL.so.1 |
| 21:20.18 | devicenull | libgl1-mesa-dev is already the newest version. |
| 21:20.27 | devicenull | is what apt says when I try to install it |
| 21:21.11 | chops | devicenull: That's strange. I am inclined to blame the nvidia driver. The last time I tried to install it (years and years ago), it tried to overwrite my GL libraries with its own copies without checking with me, and I've never quite forgiven it |
| 21:21.28 | devicenull | yea, wouldnt surprise me |
| 21:21.36 | devicenull | but it was that or deal with 2 seconds of video lag |
| 21:21.38 | zarnozC | How do I use xterm? |
| 21:21.40 | zarnozC | No |
| 21:21.43 | zarnozC | xtalk |
| 21:21.53 | zarnozC | I want to talk to the user knut |
| 21:23.03 | zarnozC | Not sure if he want to talk to me |
| 21:23.12 | zarnozC | But we are on the same system |
| 21:23.17 | devicenull | it compiles now, dunno if it runs |
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| 21:25.21 | abrotman | zarnozC: stop changing nicks |
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| 21:25.40 | zarnozC | abrotman: I havent, not for many houres |
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| 21:30.06 | helo | should i see 4 procs on this quad core machine in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 21:30.18 | helo | e5335 xeon |
| 21:30.27 | Syn- | yes |
| 21:30.33 | drwahl | helo: what does uname -a print? |
| 21:30.37 | Syn- | 8 if you have dual quad cores |
| 21:33.04 | abrotman | zarnozC: bull |
| 21:33.45 | zarnozC | abrotman: Look at the hostnames. Im not debian. /whois debian and /whois zarnozC |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | seriously? you're debian- and he's debian ? that's so freaking stupid |
| 21:34.30 | zarnozC | It was the default nick |
| 21:34.40 | abrotman | in which client? |
| 21:35.00 | zarnozC | konversation |
| 21:35.05 | abrotman | goes to file a bug |
| 21:35.13 | HD|dev | how do I enable php in lighttpd? |
| 21:35.22 | abrotman | you need php5-cgi IIRC |
| 21:35.29 | Syn- | yes thats correct |
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| 21:35.41 | gladideg | I'm using the "at now" command, to queue a ".sh" script. The script runs perfectly when ./script.sh, but when doing: at now -f script.sh, it only does 2 or 3 lines of the script, and halts. What can it possible be? |
| 21:36.20 | HD|dev | abrotman, its installed already |
| 21:36.30 | abrotman | HD|dev: then read the lighttpd docs to see how to enable it |
| 21:36.33 | HD|dev | but lighty still serves me the sourcecode instead of interpreting |
| 21:36.34 | HD|dev | k |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | HD|dev: clear browser cache, restart browser, retry |
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| 21:44.59 | B|nTaRa | hi all |
| 21:45.06 | B|nTaRa | there 1 question been bothering me |
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| 21:46.08 | B|nTaRa | my laptop currently has amd 64bit , can i use debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso to install debian instead debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? |
| 21:46.32 | dFence_ | hey guys... maybe i'm too stupid or i'm just getting dusty... would some1 please enlighten me how apps like hylafax or asterisk deliver mail to local mboxes!? |
| 21:46.46 | stew | B|nTaRa: yes. but you'd end up with a 32 bit install instead of a 64 bit install, which may or may not be what you want |
| 21:47.28 | stew | dFence_: normally theyd use the sendmail command to give the mail to your locally installed MTA |
| 21:47.46 | B|nTaRa | stew, thank you |
| 21:47.50 | dFence_ | stew: local mta would be in any default case sth like exim? |
| 21:48.01 | valdyn | dFence_: /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 21:48.12 | stew | dFence_: yes, it would be exim from the exim4 package unless you switched it to something else |
| 21:49.15 | dFence_ | stew: ok.. so far i'm with you ;) now what package do i have to install if i want these reports (hylafax-logs, error-notifications etc) delivered to my email-account on a remote server? postfix? |
| 21:49.39 | valdyn | dFence_: why didnt you stick to the default exim4? |
| 21:49.51 | valdyn | dFence_: or maybe you did and just dont know. |
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| 21:50.08 | dFence_ | valdyn: got exim, exim seems to be unable to deliver that kind of mail |
| 21:50.21 | valdyn | dFence_: no it isnt |
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| 21:50.47 | stew | dFence_: you'd either reconfigure whatever it is sending the mail (like hylafax) to send where you want it to be sent, or, failing that, you could map a local address to a remote one in /etc/aliases (man aliases). bothe of these would require you to have exim4 configured to send mail remotely which might require "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 21:51.39 | dFence_ | stew: that's what i've been looking for, seems i somehow skipped the exim4-config part. thanks!!!!! |
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| 21:54.32 | dFence_ | invoke-rc.d: initscript exim4, action "restart" failed. <- !? that's a new one! |
| 21:54.47 | valdyn | dFence_: if you are using lenny |
| 21:54.54 | dFence_ | yep |
| 21:55.03 | valdyn | !bts |
| 21:55.03 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 21:55.07 | mmestnik | Hello, are there any tools for network-less systems? I have a dialup in one-location and it's getting more and more difficult to keep this box upto date. I have a 100GB drive that would work better as a transport. |
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| 21:55.33 | jelly-home | !info apt-zip |
| 21:55.34 | dFence_ | valdyn: does that mean you're familiar with th bug or just wanted me to report it? |
| 21:55.35 | dpkg | apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.18 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 21:55.48 | mmestnik | Thank you! |
| 21:55.53 | valdyn | dFence_: im familiar with it, the bts has detailed explanations |
| 21:56.04 | dFence_ | valdyn: thx |
| 21:57.00 | valdyn | !why is exim4 not in testing |
| 21:57.01 | dpkg | exim4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=exim4 |
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| 21:57.26 | valdyn | 7 days at least till its fixed in lenny it seems |
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| 21:57.59 | spx2 | can I ask some stupid oracle questions ? |
| 21:58.27 | spx2 | I've installed oracle-xe-client |
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| 21:58.40 | spx2 | I can run sqlplus now(as I was habituated on windows) |
| 21:58.51 | spx2 | but I can't connect to the server |
| 21:59.03 | itchi | Hi, i plugged some usb device and nothings shows up in lsusb nor in dmesg. Could i miss some packages? The system has near a base install |
| 21:59.06 | spx2 | altough 127.0.0.1:Idontremembertheport/apex works |
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| 21:59.29 | spx2 | itchi: aptitude search usb ? |
| 21:59.46 | itchi | spx2: I will be get spammed with this i guess |
| 22:00.06 | spx2 | itchi: so you don't get any new /dev...stuff ? |
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| 22:00.41 | spx2 | itchi: does hotplug have anything to do with this ?(just guessing..) |
| 22:00.51 | itchi | spx2: I have /dev/bus/usb/ 001 002 003 |
| 22:01.11 | itchi | spx2: you mean udev?? |
| 22:01.17 | spx2 | itchi: you have packages libusb and usbutils installed ? |
| 22:01.22 | spx2 | itchi: yes maybe udev |
| 22:01.34 | stew | itchi: what kind of device? |
| 22:01.40 | spx2 | itchi: I have those 2 packages installed over here |
| 22:01.53 | itchi | stew: MGE UPS Systems UPS protection center 675 |
| 22:02.24 | itchi | stew: Still works on another box, just tested |
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| 22:02.51 | dFence_ | ok... i think i'm getting somewhere.. but something kinda strikes me still as odd: my remote-smtp server (dunno the correct translation, working on a localized workstation) requires authentication... but i didn't get to input it anywhere oO |
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| 22:03.03 | spx2 | itchi: throw away your machine and buy a new one |
| 22:03.14 | itchi | spx2: Do you talk about experiences? |
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| 22:04.32 | stew | dFence_: that would be a 'smarthost'. I don't recall if 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' asks about a smarthost or not |
| 22:04.38 | spx2 | itchi: yes today I've experienced a nice mountain dew,you should too...it tastes good ... |
| 22:04.45 | dFence_ | stew: it did |
| 22:04.45 | stew | itchi: just ignore him |
| 22:05.04 | stew | dFence_: did you select that option? was there an option for a smart host that requires authentication? |
| 22:05.09 | itchi | stew: If he talk me about hotplug, that will say enought :-p |
| 22:05.16 | stew | right |
| 22:05.40 | extor | Is there a way to install java in firefox, via apt? Cuz installing it through this web page is sorta messing things up for me |
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| 22:06.07 | dFence_ | stew: selected smarthost, recieve with smtp or fetchmail (roughly translated) |
| 22:06.11 | stew | extor: do you really mean firefox? or iceweasel? what arch are you on? i386? amd64? |
| 22:06.18 | extor | iceweasel sorry |
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| 22:06.24 | stew | extor: which arch? |
| 22:06.26 | extor | I am on i386 running debian-testing |
| 22:06.51 | B|nTaRa | stew, due to atheros wifi card ar5007 , madwifi support 32-bit pnly |
| 22:06.52 | stew | extor: you can install 'sun-java5-plugin' or 'sun-java6-plugin' from non-free |
| 22:06.54 | B|nTaRa | only* |
| 22:06.55 | extor | well actually my kernel is amd64.... |
| 22:07.07 | \amethyst | extor: kernel doesn't matter for this, just userspace |
| 22:07.11 | B|nTaRa | so , should i get the 32-bit debian instead the 64-bit debian |
| 22:07.15 | extor | ok do I need to add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list then? |
| 22:07.25 | \amethyst | extor: yes |
| 22:07.28 | \amethyst | !non-free sources |
| 22:07.28 | dpkg | i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 22:07.55 | extor | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib <--- That looks set already, right? |
| 22:08.02 | dFence_ | <- rtfm'ing |
| 22:08.09 | stew | itchi: you might look at what usb specific modules are loaded on the machine on which it works |
| 22:08.13 | itchi | No USB device seems to work at all |
| 22:08.17 | stew | itchi: i'd be tempted to try usbserial as well |
| 22:08.37 | \amethyst | extor: looks good |
| 22:08.49 | itchi | stew: Tested with some other USB devices but this system seem to be not detect these |
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| 22:09.17 | stew | itchi: oh so no usb device works in this machine? |
| 22:09.31 | itchi | stew: Yeah :-(. Well, not yet :-p |
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| 22:09.53 | itchi | stew: It has a base install + my needs |
| 22:09.58 | stew | itchi: which of ehci-hcd / uhci-hcd / ohcd-hcd are loaded? |
| 22:10.05 | stew | itchi: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:10.17 | itchi | ah |
| 22:10.21 | itchi | stew: 2.6.18-6-686 :-) |
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| 22:11.39 | tarkus | is debian only really good for servers? im thinking of installing it on my thinkpad. |
| 22:11.49 | tarkus | wondering if i should use stable or testing.. |
| 22:12.03 | simonrvn | desktop? experience with it? |
| 22:12.22 | tarkus | im using stable etch 4.0 on my server, but the packages are pretty out of date. |
| 22:12.22 | simonrvn | erm, nm first question ;) |
| 22:12.27 | tarkus | understandably |
| 22:12.40 | scorche|sh | uses testing for servers and unstable for personal devices although that might not be for everyone |
| 22:12.40 | tarkus | simonrvn: what? |
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| 22:13.14 | tarkus | scorche|sh: im thinking of stable for server and testing for local/dev system |
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| 22:13.29 | tarkus | is that something suitable? |
| 22:13.29 | simonrvn | that's usually what's recommended |
| 22:13.33 | tarkus | aah, nice. |
| 22:13.41 | tarkus | ill do that then. |
| 22:13.56 | tarkus | just to be sure, will i have any problems with wireless? |
| 22:14.09 | simonrvn | depends |
| 22:14.14 | tarkus | Thinkpad T61, with intel cpu/chipset/video/wireless |
| 22:14.14 | stew | tarkus: what wireless card are you planning to use? |
| 22:14.24 | tarkus | Intel wifi A/G/N |
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| 22:14.34 | dury | how do I launch ftpd |
| 22:14.35 | stew | tarkus: it works fine, but you need non-free firmware (which debian distributes) |
| 22:14.51 | simonrvn | dury: with the init script |
| 22:14.51 | eheil | j |
| 22:14.54 | tarkus | stew: ah ok. thanks |
| 22:15.16 | tarkus | do you think soon everything can be open? no prop drivers or firmware, or anything? |
| 22:15.31 | stew | tarkus: not for wireless, no |
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| 22:15.39 | dury | simonrvn: how is it? |
| 22:15.51 | dury | simonrvn: I'm new in this |
| 22:16.14 | simonrvn | how is what? |
| 22:16.24 | stew | tarkus: not for your wireless at least. intel would have to make a wireless card which doens't need firmware loaded at runtime, which would limit its upgradability, which isn't something intel would be motivated to do |
| 22:16.35 | simonrvn | depends, sometimes it feels wet, sometimes dry |
| 22:16.40 | tarkus | stew: ah, gotcha |
| 22:16.47 | stew | tarkus: as it is now, they can't give you the source to the firmware because then you could use your wireless card in malicious / illegal ways |
| 22:16.52 | dury | simonrvn: launch ftpd |
| 22:17.09 | dury | init script but how |
| 22:17.09 | tarkus | wtf? why is there like 30 cd images.. |
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| 22:17.29 | tarkus | is debian really that big? |
| 22:17.36 | tarkus | i got the impression it was minimal. like arch |
| 22:17.43 | stew | tarkus: becuase there are many packages. you don't need them all unless you were installing onto a machine that couldn't be networked |
| 22:17.47 | themill | !dstats |
| 22:17.53 | simonrvn | dury: look in /etc/init.d |
| 22:17.54 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23264 packages, 1931 maintainers, 60666 MB installed size, 21234 MB compressed size. |
| 22:18.26 | tarkus | lol |
| 22:18.26 | stew | tarkus: the install is minimal. there is lots of software available to you after you have done the minimal install, the 30 CDs is every possible pacakge |
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| 22:18.34 | tarkus | why do they provide all the packages on cd media? |
| 22:18.42 | tarkus | whats wrong with just using repos |
| 22:18.44 | tarkus | ? |
| 22:18.48 | simonrvn | there's dvdvs too |
| 22:18.48 | stew | tarkus: not all machines are networked |
| 22:18.51 | simonrvn | dvds* |
| 22:18.55 | tarkus | stew: ooh, yea.. kk |
| 22:19.20 | tarkus | so. what image would i need for the install? |
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| 22:19.30 | tarkus | ill be using "testing" |
| 22:20.46 | dury | simonrvn: l'm in /etc/init.d |
| 22:20.58 | dury | simonrvn: and now |
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| 22:22.16 | itchi | Should USB work with a base install? |
| 22:22.19 | stew | tarkus: you'd need either the first cd or a netinst cd. but note that the installer wouldn't fully support your wireless card (becuase of the non-free firmware) so you'd use the ethernet for the install until you could install the firmware |
| 22:22.24 | stew | itchi: yes |
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| 22:22.41 | itchi | stew: So, i have a serious problem :-p |
| 22:23.24 | dury | simonrvn: in that directory There isn't a ftpd thing listed |
| 22:23.32 | stew | itchi: which of ehci-hcd / uhci-hcd / ohcd-hcd are loaded? |
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| 22:24.11 | trifler | Is there a program for debian in which you can see exif information in cli |
| 22:24.38 | stew | !info exif |
| 22:24.40 | dpkg | exif: (command-line utility to show EXIF information in JPEG files), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.6.15-5 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 22:24.43 | itchi | stew: ehci_hcd, ohci_hcd |
| 22:24.44 | trifler | :D |
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| 22:24.53 | trifler | that easy huh |
| 22:24.56 | trifler | stew: Ty |
| 22:25.14 | dury | cya soon all getting late |
| 22:25.21 | dury | nite |
| 22:25.26 | stew | itchi: do the usb devices you plugin get power? |
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| 22:25.55 | itchi | stew: I don't know, it's the UPS system, tested with a USB mass storage |
| 22:26.07 | c00l2sv | hi, did somebody succeed in configuring postfix with dkim-filter ? can that one help me too? |
| 22:26.11 | itchi | stew: wait, i have one that have a led, let me search in my mess ... |
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| 22:28.29 | dFence_ | DAMN!!!! does anyone know where i can change the sender-address for hylafax-email notifications? already grep'ed through every thinkable config-file.. |
| 22:29.06 | dFence_ | forget it, changing email-aliases did the job |
| 22:29.56 | itchi | stew: It gets food |
| 22:30.50 | itchi | stew: At least when i plug it in, i see a fraction of a second, the led. Some false contact that it always do |
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| 22:35.57 | itchi | stew: The only thing i get is http://paste.debian.net/2758/ as output of lsusb, did a update-usbids, but same story |
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| 22:36.22 | gpm | has the raw1394 module been renamed? |
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| 22:36.33 | gpm | i can't load it in the stock debian kernel |
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| 22:41.13 | tanner | figures, i find my usb to serial converter.. of course its a male only connector >.> |
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| 22:45.29 | zyx386 | how can fixx this Error? http://debian.pastebin.com/m1f9f373a |
| 22:46.00 | abrotman | !bts |
| 22:46.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 22:46.36 | binarymutant | what does fwcutter do/ |
| 22:46.59 | zyx386 | abrotman, iss that for me? |
| 22:47.01 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:47.07 | tarkus | stew: aah, that sucks |
| 22:47.13 | abrotman | binarymutant: gets it from a website and puts it in place |
| 22:47.25 | zyx386 | but what is her support channel, why most i report bug? |
| 22:47.33 | tarkus | stew: is there any way to get my wireless working ootb? |
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| 22:48.04 | tarkus | it works ootb on all the 3 pop distros (ubuntu, fedora, suse) |
| 22:48.07 | binarymutant | abrotman: so is the driver still free libre? or does it get a nonfree blob? |
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| 22:48.17 | abrotman | non-free blob |
| 22:48.20 | binarymutant | :( |
| 22:48.34 | abrotman | did the fwcutter fool you ? |
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| 22:49.12 | binarymutant | no, I thought it was non free, but I was thinking about installing gnewsense and that issue came up |
| 22:49.19 | tarkus | is there any way for me to get my wireless working right away with debian? |
| 22:49.25 | abrotman | depends on your chipset |
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| 22:54.02 | deadcat_ | how do i add a red border to an image in gimp? |
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| 22:55.15 | jaggz- | after a crash my debian will not boot -- it goes through grub and init and mentions a degraded raid array |
| 22:55.21 | zyx386 | abrotman, i cant install or update anything |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | zyx386: go read the BTS entry for the *exact* bug you're experiencing |
| 22:55.48 | stew | tarkus: youd have to modify a debian install cd to include the firmware-iwlwifi package which isnt' in debian: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 22:57.27 | zyx386 | abrotman, i can use google to, iam her because i have problem. thanx for your info, but this change anything in my situation :) |
| 22:57.43 | abrotman | zyx386: this has nothing to do with google |
| 22:58.06 | zyx386 | We strongly recommend that you report bugs in Debian using the reportbug program. Simply aptitude install reportbug; reportbug to install and start reportbug. It will guide you through the bug reporting process step by step. |
| 22:58.17 | zyx386 | i cant install anything |
| 22:58.29 | zyx386 | and your link say install reportbug |
| 22:58.52 | themill | zyx386: No, go and read the bts. If you don't know what that means, you shouldn't be using lenny or sid. |
| 22:59.13 | itchi | stew: I just saw that there's a pci usb card with 4 slots, these been work like expected |
| 22:59.35 | zyx386 | themill, i use lenny |
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| 22:59.56 | itchi | stew: The 2 on the front and 2 on the back onboard won't work :-( |
| 23:00.02 | tarkus | stew: aah, crap.. |
| 23:00.03 | abrotman | zyx386: read the rest of it .. where it tells you how to find bugs that affect your package |
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| 23:00.24 | zyx386 | abrotman, say send email |
| 23:00.27 | zyx386 | i do it |
| 23:00.30 | themill | zyx386: I know. When you are using lenny, you are part of the development process, and as such you should know how to use the bug tracking system to (a) find out about bugs and (b) find solutions or workarounds to bugs |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | zyx386: read it again |
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| 23:01.14 | Egghead2 | hi all |
| 23:01.21 | Egghead2 | got problems with my raid 5 array, wount mount now, ran xfs_repai -n, and got "entry "clockwork orange.iso" at block 0 offset 1144 in directory inode 2013266226 references non-existent inode 51034395" any one know what this means, and if i let xfs_repair fix it will i loose that file? |
| 23:01.26 | zyx386 | themill, if you know my bug is alreday in bug report, than tell me |
| 23:01.41 | themill | zyx386: learn to fish |
| 23:01.49 | zyx386 | abrotman,is just mailsenden |
| 23:02.05 | abrotman | !tell zyx386 about bts |
| 23:02.07 | zyx386 | themill, which mean with fish |
| 23:02.11 | abrotman | zyx386: read the WHOLE thing |
| 23:02.21 | zyx386 | abrotman, i know that |
| 23:02.27 | abrotman | gives up |
| 23:02.32 | themill | zyx386: I am not going to teach you how to use google or how to use the bug tracking system. |
| 23:02.56 | themill | zyx386: I am not going to tell you how to do every single thing. You are going to learn to do these things yourself. |
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| 23:03.32 | Egghead2 | wow just like tlc |
| 23:03.35 | zyx386 | themill, i ask about this bug, no more. and not ask how can learn |
| 23:03.56 | themill | zyx386: if you'd looked at the fricking bts yourself, you'd have the answer by now |
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| 23:04.32 | zyx386 | which answer, how can send bug or how can i fix that error :) |
| 23:04.39 | Sero | can I upgrade from a 32-bit system to 64-bit? |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | Egghead2: there's a #xfs i believe |
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| 23:05.00 | abrotman | Sero: currently, not without reinstall |
| 23:05.03 | Egghead2 | <abrotman>, thanks :) |
| 23:05.18 | Sero | :( thanx |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | Egghead2: in general .. i'd imagine the fsck tool knows better than you? |
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| 23:06.02 | phobos_anomaly | abrotman: I think that might be an accurate assumption |
| 23:06.03 | Egghead2 | huh? |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | Egghead2: i mean .. if it thinks it's broken .. it likely is, and it seems to know how to fix it .. but yes, ask #xfs |
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| 23:06.54 | Mirybr | idk about all of you |
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| 23:07.03 | Mirybr | but i can read sectors better than an dskutil |
| 23:07.14 | Egghead2 | ahh ic, yea im hot disuting theres a problem, i just wanna know if it whats to fix or delete it |
| 23:07.25 | Egghead2 | :) |
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| 23:07.54 | gladideg | asked this Q in linux, but could as well try here: I'm using "at now -q a -f script.sh" to queue files for processing. When running two shells, and executing two different scripts with -q a, the scripts execute on top of eachother, instead of queuing... any ideas? |
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| 23:08.17 | gladideg | even if I run it in same shell, the two scripts run on top of eachother |
| 23:08.19 | Mirybr | threads! |
| 23:08.27 | doub_ | hi there |
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| 23:25.38 | itomato | is enjoying the grouchiness of the "OpenSolaris" aka "Project Indiana" people after the debut of 2008.05 |
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| 23:31.49 | Gm4n | is there a way to change the priority of things on the commandline? I'm trying to: cat pidfile | xargs (ps x | grep), or something along those lines. Any ideas? |
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| 23:32.22 | itomato | modify your pipeline? |
| 23:32.41 | irule | "apt-get install memtest86+" says that it gets installed, but I cant find the installed executable, whats up? |
| 23:32.44 | zythmer | nice or renice |
| 23:33.12 | Gm4n | itomato, how would I do that? |
| 23:33.37 | zythmer | irule: It should be added to your /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
| 23:33.54 | jelly-home | irule: it's not a linux binary, but an app that is booted into, from grub (or other boot loader) |
| 23:33.54 | itomato | Gm4n: what are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 23:34.14 | Gm4n | I'm trying to grep through the output of ps x for the pid in a given file |
| 23:34.30 | Gm4n | I know all the parts, but I don't know how to put them together |
| 23:34.34 | jelly-home | irule: running /usr/sbin/update-grub ought to catch it and add it to its menu |
| 23:34.42 | itomato | why are you using xargs? Just ps | grep |
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| 23:35.16 | Gm4n | but then how do I get the number from cat pidfile? |
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| 23:35.30 | irule | zythmer I cant trboot to memtestm it is very far away and the people in the office are complete morons, last time I tried to rely on them, I asked this guy to close all of his windows, and he put me on hold by the phone while he was physically closing building windows :s |
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| 23:35.53 | zyx386 | abrotman, i search your info, ' Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges' but icant install anything, i have this errot now: http://debian.pastebin.com/m79c1f18a, thanx |
| 23:35.57 | itomato | with grep - it looks like cat is redundant.. |
| 23:36.09 | jelly-home | Gm4n: what are you really trying to do? |
| 23:36.49 | Gm4n | good point itomato, grep -f will do it :) |
| 23:37.23 | zythmer | irule: maybe try memtester instead? I don't think memtest86+ works except as a boot item. |
| 23:37.49 | Gm4n | jelly-home: got it figured, but I wanted to find the line in the process list that matched the PID in a file |
| 23:37.56 | irule | zythmer quick tip on how to run it b4 I rtfm? |
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| 23:39.08 | jelly-home | Gm4n: no need to find... ps accepts a -p PID argument |
| 23:39.25 | Gm4n | wow, things just keep getting easier. silly me :) |
| 23:40.10 | jelly-home | there's also -o for custom output format. |
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| 23:42.32 | jelly-home | and of course the stuff in /proc/PID/ |
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| 23:43.25 | Gm4n | -o is awesome, thanks jelly-home :) |
| 23:43.54 | Gm4n | is there a simple way to see how many lines of output I have in a shell script? |
| 23:44.13 | Lagbolt | you can us "wc" |
| 23:44.25 | Lagbolt | output | wc -l |
| 23:44.30 | Gm4n | ooh, -l |
| 23:44.39 | Gm4n | slaps self in forehead and vows to rtfm more next time |
| 23:44.53 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 23:46.53 | Juventino | hello, |
| 23:47.20 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 23:47.23 | Juventino | i have an installed PCI DVB-S card, it seems to be recognized by the Kernel, but it's not listed in /dev/ |
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| 23:47.47 | Juventino | so, anyway i can make the Kernel check the PCI slots again? |
| 23:48.00 | Lagbolt | pastebin the output from logs showing that kern finds it |
| 23:48.12 | Juventino | they are 2 lines |
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| 23:48.16 | Juventino | can i paste them here? |
| 23:48.31 | Lagbolt | no, they will kick for flooding |
| 23:48.38 | Juventino | ok |
| 23:49.21 | Juventino | http://pastebin.com/m4e2d0990 |
| 23:50.10 | Lagbolt | Juventino, oh lspci is not kernel "seeing" it |
| 23:50.26 | Juventino | Lagbolt, want the dmesg as well? |
| 23:50.31 | Lagbolt | yeah dmesg |
| 23:50.53 | Juventino | http://pastebin.com/md87c32c |
| 23:52.00 | Lagbolt | so no device dbb0 i take it? |
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| 23:52.20 | daryl | is there a way to specify a certain package to update, if I don't want to update them all at the moment? |
| 23:52.20 | Juventino | well it should be /dev/dvb/ |
| 23:52.58 | Juventino | i tried google and manuals and everything, can't get that card to work :o( |
| 23:53.32 | Lagbolt | what kern are using? is that card supported in the kern now or are you compiling your own modules? |
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| 23:54.03 | Juventino | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) |
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| 23:54.21 | Juventino | and yes it should be supported, this card is out since 2004 or something |
| 23:54.38 | Juventino | the manual of it says it requiers only 2.6.11 |
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| 23:55.01 | Lagbolt | if you do "xawtv -hwscan" do you get anything? |
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| 23:56.01 | Juventino | 1 min |
| 23:56.07 | Juventino | let me install xawtv |
| 23:57.16 | Juventino | http://pastebin.com/m1e720da4 |
| 23:58.15 | Lagbolt | do you have /dev/video0 ? |
| 23:58.28 | Juventino | no |
| 23:58.31 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 23:58.42 | Lagbolt | that looks like what you should see |
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| 23:59.48 | susanne-- | does the default debian lenny kernel support reading (at least) journaled hfs+ drives? |