| 00:00.10 | *** part/#debian moyix (n=moyix@static-72-93-243-42.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:00.20 | jim | enouf: (1) I used debian sources, (2) used a slightly edited config (just to change to k7 iirc), (3) it most closely matches what I want... I'm eventually going to try xen again, so I'll be building yet another kernel |
| 00:00.21 | xingu | enouf: I mean the ICH itself being driven through the legacy IDE stack rather than the new ATA stack |
| 00:00.29 | enouf | xingu: ATAPI requires some sort of scsi - be it emulation, or direct, though even direct is not, look at the 'sg' layer |
| 00:00.34 | jim | enouf: could you explain how to get libata? |
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| 00:01.22 | enouf | xingu: you got me on that .. sorry, you win ;-) |
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| 00:01.34 | jgiboney | i set up a email server using http://workaround.org/articles/ispemail-etch and it seems to work great, I can get emails to go to some email accounts, but i can't send email to gmail. How can I fix that? |
| 00:01.35 | xingu | jim: try lspci | grep -E 'IDE|AHCI' |
| 00:01.40 | enouf | jim: enable some .. oh wait, AMD ? |
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| 00:01.58 | enouf | jim: usually libata and ata_piix show |
| 00:02.05 | jim | enouf: (what I want is for my amd64 system to run a 32 bit kernel fastly... k7 seems the closest, and k7 is no longer available) |
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| 00:02.16 | enouf | but most any can appear under libata, the snd does |
| 00:02.17 | xingu | jim: need to find out what your controller is so we can then find out whether the legacy IDE stack or the newish ATA stack is in use. |
| 00:02.26 | xuser | jgiboney: Did you check the spam folder in the gmail accounts? |
| 00:02.31 | enouf | jim: so you're using -686 ? |
| 00:02.37 | enouf | jim: or -486? |
| 00:03.06 | enouf | jim: yeah, post some lspci , dmesg, lsmod info ! |
| 00:03.20 | jim | enouf: -k7 :) |
| 00:03.25 | enouf | omg |
| 00:03.35 | enouf | jim: vmsplice sploit is no concern? |
| 00:03.48 | jgiboney | xuser, oh ther it is... I haven't used gmail very long |
| 00:03.55 | enouf | k7 no more |
| 00:04.10 | jim | wait, so that's why they took it out? |
| 00:04.12 | enouf | !k7 no more |
| 00:04.19 | enouf | grah |
| 00:04.34 | jgiboney | is there a way to fix that, cause I am having issues with other email accounts also |
| 00:04.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.53 | enouf | bastage |
| 00:05.11 | jim | let's try... |
| 00:05.14 | jim | !k7 |
| 00:05.14 | dpkg | well, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 00:05.17 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 00:05.17 | dpkg | i heard k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 00:05.22 | enouf | finally .. phew |
| 00:05.37 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.47 | enouf | but why does no more exist and do nothing? |
| 00:06.01 | enouf | but why does "k7 no more" exist and do nothing? |
| 00:06.09 | simonrvn | "upgade kernel"? heh |
| 00:06.15 | enouf | bad symlink dondelelcaro |
| 00:06.35 | simonrvn | hm, i *think* this is how you do it |
| 00:06.52 | simonrvn | dpkg: rename sid upgade kernel sid upgrade kernel |
| 00:07.20 | simonrvn | dpkg: rename 'sid upgade kernel' 'sid upgrade kernel' |
| 00:07.20 | dpkg | simonrvn: destination factoid already exists. |
| 00:07.26 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 00:07.41 | enouf | simonrvn: what should be done is what the "ig" and "i-g" factoids do |
| 00:08.01 | enouf | and "di" vs "d-i" do |
| 00:08.42 | enouf | i remember the 'd' in dropped, but my brain always thinks "deprecated" |
| 00:08.46 | jim | enouf: maybe I glossed over, but I didn't see any linkage in that report to the exploit issue |
| 00:08.48 | enouf | make that also ;-) |
| 00:08.51 | simonrvn | i'm trying to fix the typo |
| 00:09.23 | jim | I gotta go grab some stuff from costco |
| 00:09.25 | simonrvn | i'm also wondering why the repo is being effing slow |
| 00:09.25 | enouf | jim: IINM,. k7 was moved to -686 prior to the exploit |
| 00:09.37 | enouf | jim: you see what i mean? |
| 00:09.48 | jim | oh, so it never affected anyone? |
| 00:10.05 | jim | can it be patched? |
| 00:10.06 | enouf | hence, older k7 (back to .17) also have the issue |
| 00:10.18 | enouf | i dunno |
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| 00:10.28 | enouf | i know the kernel can, but yours? |
| 00:10.56 | jim | enouf: also I'm looking into trying xen again, possibly 3.2... anyone successfully got that working using debianized kernel sources that you know of? |
| 00:11.16 | enouf | jim: IOW all x86 kernels between .17 and .24 were affected, IINM, and AFAIK |
| 00:11.38 | enouf | jim: not offhand - people in ##linux might |
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| 00:12.26 | jim | anyone know if waldi has produced some xen-3.2 kernels? |
| 00:12.41 | enouf | jim: i'm hungry, stop mentioned chinese chicken ;-P |
| 00:12.48 | enouf | ask him |
| 00:13.10 | jim | what's chinese chicken got to do with this?! |
| 00:13.14 | enouf | do /join #debian-kernel - you know where |
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| 00:13.28 | enouf | jim: you mentioned costco ;0 |
| 00:13.53 | jim | I need more gas in car and laundry soap |
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| 00:13.58 | enouf | omg - the screen is cluttered with my bull - latez |
| 00:14.10 | jim | bullclutter! |
| 00:16.02 | jim | anyway, I'm out n about for awhile... |
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| 00:18.28 | enouf | xingu: now i know what you mean, the "than the new ATA stack" is dependent upon libata - such like all the pata_<name>{.c,.h} that keep getting added from libata |
| 00:19.19 | xingu | enouf: exactly; libata/libsata == drivers/ata, the old ide stack is drivers/ide |
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| 00:19.46 | enouf | All in All folks, listen . i LOATHE SONY - why don't we just drop ALL CD and DVD support and focus on BlueDick so we get it right from the start? |
| 00:20.05 | xingu | heh |
| 00:20.30 | enouf | i mean really - it's fucken LATE to be having issues with CD/DVD media |
| 00:20.48 | zinx | i don't have issues with CD/DVD media |
| 00:20.50 | enouf | not that he Manufacturers and Vendors aren't to blame |
| 00:20.55 | xingu | enouf: the only quirks I've had with mine fwiw is the business about setting burn power to something other than the media's default profile |
| 00:21.04 | enouf | zink_: me neither |
| 00:21.19 | enouf | zinx: i mean you not zink_ |
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| 00:21.38 | enouf | zinx: but i try to help others - maybe i'm a fool |
| 00:22.31 | zinx | enouf: help by suggesting they use an overpriced proprietary media with tons of restrictions built-in? |
| 00:22.59 | enouf | zinx: your response reminds me of silver-spooned college kids who get MS Office for $10 form their local (on campus) book store |
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| 00:23.07 | ceaseNdesist | hi |
| 00:23.14 | ceaseNdesist | help please |
| 00:23.16 | zinx | enouf: i've got them beat. i get openoffice.org for free. |
| 00:23.34 | enouf | zinx: you've totally missed the analogy |
| 00:23.36 | ceaseNdesist | ssh is confused |
| 00:23.47 | zinx | enouf: or maybe i purposefully ignored it |
| 00:23.50 | enouf | zinx: not to mention jim is not some wintoendo weenie |
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| 00:24.08 | jelly-home | enouf: the example is weird anyway, you get that stuff for free with MSDNAA |
| 00:24.24 | enouf | zinx: i dutifully SMASH and STOMP wintendo weenies ;-) |
| 00:24.26 | zinx | enouf: i don't see how switching from CD/DVD to Blu-ray is going to help anyone, technically, financially, or otherwise |
| 00:24.28 | enouf | happily |
| 00:24.51 | zinx | enouf: at least not until the price goes down. then it might conceivably be useful for data storage. |
| 00:24.56 | ceaseNdesist | I am trying to ssh into a 2nd router trough a 2nd NIC |
| 00:24.56 | enouf | jelly-home: ugh - the new crap smells worse - i gave up following ;-) |
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| 00:25.19 | ceaseNdesist | I fagot how do it |
| 00:25.21 | enouf | zinx: you have ~1.5 years |
| 00:25.31 | xingu | enouf: MLC flash; you know it makes sense |
| 00:25.33 | enouf | zinx: and i couldn't care |
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| 00:25.43 | enouf | zinx: i use HDDs solely |
| 00:26.21 | ceaseNdesist | eth1 gets an IP an all from the router but ssh is confused |
| 00:26.34 | zinx | enouf: hard drives are more cost-effective than blu-ray :P |
| 00:26.36 | ceaseNdesist | help please! |
| 00:27.09 | dendrite | ceaseNdesist: You have yet to ask a question, or give any meaningful details about what you tried, what you expected to see, and what you saw. |
| 00:27.16 | enouf | zinx: it's just that all this CD/CD-R/CDDA/CD-RW/DVD-ROM/DVD+R/DVD+RW/DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM should have you vomitting ,.. and i left out a bunch |
| 00:27.27 | zinx | enouf: oh, it certainly does |
| 00:27.32 | enouf | zinx: i'm nojt dumb ;-) |
| 00:27.44 | xingu | enouf: I happily managed to jump right over the dvd nonsense; I can happily now buy sdhc media with greater capacity (and in all probability, greater speed too) |
| 00:27.51 | ceaseNdesist | dendrite: ok I did this route add 192.168.1.2 dev eth1 and didn't work |
| 00:28.07 | dendrite | ceaseNdesist: "Didn't work" is meaningluess. |
| 00:28.11 | enouf | xingu: sdhc ? do please enlighten the dummy |
| 00:28.13 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 00:28.27 | ceaseNdesist | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.2 port 22: No route to host |
| 00:28.34 | xingu | enouf: sd-card, the high capacity remix. |
| 00:28.44 | enouf | ahh -- nice |
| 00:28.55 | enouf | solid state babay |
| 00:29.16 | dendrite | ceaseNdesist: is that host beyond another router? |
| 00:29.37 | xingu | enouf: admittedly a higher price point per unit, but hey, you only need enough to bootstrap your networking :) |
| 00:29.38 | zinx | SDHC's capacity limit is still way too low |
| 00:29.47 | dendrite | ceaseNdesist: As in, you -- router -- 192.168.1.2 ? |
| 00:30.00 | ceaseNdesist | the 2nd nick is connected to a 2nd router |
| 00:30.03 | zinx | they're going to have to make a SDUHC or something soon.. guess they have to justify their positions or something :/ |
| 00:30.11 | enouf | xingu: hehe - well the gigabyte i-ram wasn;t a bad idea |
| 00:30.19 | ceaseNdesist | both routers issue dhcp |
| 00:30.24 | dendrite | ceaseNdesist: That wasn't my question. |
| 00:30.26 | CharlieA | Anyone know if a Broadcom BCM4318 (Airforce One) laptop wifi crad is supported |
| 00:30.34 | adama_ | ceaseNdesist: what does route -n say, the line with 192.168.1.0 |
| 00:30.40 | enouf | just limited to ddr-ram and 4GB, iinm, maybe less |
| 00:30.42 | CharlieA | Was looking for a HCL |
| 00:30.43 | dFence_ | can anyone tell me how i tell faxmail to not delete the temp-files it's creating? |
| 00:30.59 | WormFood | where is the info about if this openssl/ssh predictable random number generator problem was intentional or accidental? I'm sure it has been discussed before. |
| 00:31.00 | markybob | CharlieA, by 2.6.25, yes |
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| 00:31.29 | enouf | xingu: peterS dondelelcaro jim zinx .. i'm off - talk to ya later - and Thanks |
| 00:31.33 | CharlieA | nice tkx - I have Debian on my Eeepc - and my poor Dell B130 just collects dust of late |
| 00:31.44 | enouf | you too simonrvn :-P |
| 00:31.45 | CharlieA | thought I would [put Debian Lenny on it |
| 00:31.52 | enouf | and anyone else i missed |
| 00:31.57 | markybob | CharlieA, lenny doesnt have 2.6.25, so you'll need to compile it |
| 00:32.05 | ceaseNdesist | SORRY!! I had the wrong address |
| 00:32.18 | CharlieA | ass 2.6.24 |
| 00:32.26 | dendrite | WormFood: "/msg dpkg dsa1571" will induce dpkg to give you a link w/ some info. |
| 00:32.40 | ceaseNdesist | adama_: thanks that uncovered the it |
| 00:32.41 | markybob | i have no idea what "ass 2.6.24" means |
| 00:32.45 | lilkid | i'm new to linux, trying to set up vnc server, the only thing that's displayed in the sessions is a terminal windo, how do I make it a full GUI gnome session? |
| 00:32.48 | CharlieA | what would I need to use (Not sure what Debian next step form testing is) |
| 00:33.12 | adama_ | ceaseNdesist: :) glad I helped |
| 00:33.17 | CharlieA | well I could do it I guess thanks markybob |
| 00:33.26 | CharlieA | oops |
| 00:33.35 | CharlieA | not sure there what happened |
| 00:33.36 | WormFood | thanks dendrite |
| 00:33.37 | markybob | CharlieA, you can use testing, you'd just need to compile the kernel yourself. pretty easy. `make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers --rootcmd fakeroot` |
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| 00:33.50 | CharlieA | I guess Lenny is 2.6.24 sorry |
| 00:33.54 | jaggz- | how do I start an x app maximized from commandline? |
| 00:34.31 | jaggz- | like -geometry 1024x768+0+0 for example.. but actually "maximized" .. |
| 00:34.59 | CharlieA | Thanks for the help - cheers - I am getting more used to Debain (Long time RH user) |
| 00:35.14 | ceaseNdesist | adama_: oddly I have two lines with 192.168.1.0 for both NICs |
| 00:35.21 | markybob | CharlieA, np |
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| 00:36.27 | adama_ | ceaseNdesist: both your routers are 192.168.1.X? |
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| 00:36.51 | ceaseNdesist | dendrite: oh, the router isn't beyond another router but connected to the second nick |
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| 00:38.08 | ceaseNdesist | adama_ no, that was the 192.168.1.0 lines of route -n |
| 00:38.20 | dendrite | jaggz-: Whether you can launch a window maximized may depend on what WM you use. |
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| 00:38.55 | ceaseNdesist | the routers got different addresses |
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| 00:39.17 | adama_ | ceaseNdesist: in that case one of them is probably the line you added before, the route add ... |
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| 00:39.43 | jaggz- | maybe.. there are some standards here which have been around for a long time.. the Xinerama stuff is new and changed some things.. but otherwise I'm looking for something standard, like -geometry |
| 00:39.50 | jaggz- | I just can't figure out how |
| 00:39.55 | adama_ | ceaseNdesist: as long as they are different subnets you should be good |
| 00:39.59 | dFence_ | how can i append messages to the syslog via /proc? |
| 00:40.06 | ceaseNdesist | adama_: I never added 192.168.1.0 |
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| 00:40.43 | ceaseNdesist | adama_: yeah, why bother if it works |
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| 00:41.14 | unstable | My sound doesn't work, how can I find out what application is using my sound? |
| 00:41.22 | dendrite | jaggz-: I've never heard of an option like that, but that sure doesn't mean there isn't one! |
| 00:41.29 | adama_ | unstable: lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 00:43.49 | CaT[t3] | that's crazy talk. |
| 00:43.52 | CaT[t3] | oops |
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| 00:45.05 | unstable | adama: It lists nothing. |
| 00:45.40 | dendrite | unstable: if you type 'id', do you see you're in the "audio" group? |
| 00:45.48 | markybob | unstable, does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp give an error or make a lot of noise or nothing? |
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| 00:45.56 | unstable | yes, I'm in audio |
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| 00:46.40 | dendrite | unstable: (And were you in the audio group when you started your current login session...) |
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| 00:46.46 | unstable | yes |
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| 00:47.19 | [hC] | in lenny, I am unable to install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 claiming it depends on linux-kbuild-2.6.22, but its not installable. trying to install that package claims its not available. what gives? |
| 00:47.29 | jaggz- | konsole -geometry too-large-here will at least make it go to the edges (and trims it) |
| 00:47.30 | jaggz- | sigh |
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| 00:47.34 | dendrite | unstable: you ran that lsof line as root? |
| 00:48.27 | cloakable | unstable: is alsa installed? |
| 00:48.54 | unstable | ahh, I found it. it was mplayer, was frozen in the background |
| 00:48.56 | unstable | I killed it |
| 00:49.01 | unstable | thanks for the help all, I appreciate it. |
| 00:49.32 | SF17k | I've had a few months of Ubuntu experience, and have recently installed Debian on an *offline* machine. Is there any way to update package lists for synaptic from another computer? |
| 00:50.28 | markybob | SF17k, you wanna remotely control a box that's not on a network? |
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| 00:50.48 | SF17k | Uh, no |
| 00:50.58 | Wyzard | [hC]: The current kernel in lenny is 2.6.24... 2.6.22 packages might not be available anymore |
| 00:51.07 | dendrite | SF17k: Too bad. That would have been an interesting puzzle. |
| 00:51.34 | zinx | SF17k: you can download the package lists, not sure how to get 'em in to the cache though |
| 00:52.08 | SF17k | Haha. I want to use Synaptic's "Make download script" feature, so that I don't have to sort through dependencies by myself. But, it needs the package lists first. |
| 00:52.08 | [hC] | Wyzard: I went and got it out of snapshots... 2.6.22 is still the kernel used in the lenny netinst installer, which ends up becoming a problem since its not on the repositories. Thanks though, im all set. |
| 00:52.19 | markybob | SF17k, so you have one box updated, and via some medium you wanna copy that over? |
| 00:52.49 | Wyzard | [hC]: Why not just upgrade to 2.6.24 after finishing your installation? |
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| 00:53.11 | dendrite | SF17k: I guess it's talking about the /var/lib/dpkg/available file, built by apt-get update... |
| 00:53.14 | SF17k | markybob: Yeah. I don't actually have an updated box, but I can find one. |
| 00:53.31 | markybob | SF17k, yeah, i think copying over /var/lib/dpkg would do it |
| 00:53.46 | SF17k | I'll try that, thanks! |
| 00:53.51 | dendrite | SF17k: Do tar up your old one first. |
| 00:54.12 | [hC] | Wyzard: i just may! |
| 00:54.25 | cire | I am using sid, and libvnc.so has been removed, so I am looking for an alternative. I need remote access to a running x11 session. x11vnc works when started from remote machine within a running X session. |
| 00:54.40 | cire | but logging in with ssh results in MIT-SHM problems |
| 00:54.50 | Baloo | Which MTA is easiest to set up SMTP authentication against PAM? |
| 00:54.51 | cire | (BadAccess error: SHMAttach) |
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| 00:55.34 | Wyzard | cire: I "ssh remotehost -L 5900:localhost:5900" in and run "x11vnc -localhost -display :0" there, then run "vncviewer localhost" locally |
| 00:56.02 | cire | ohh, I'll try that |
| 00:56.04 | cire | thank you |
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| 00:56.56 | Wyzard | cire: ssh's "-C" option (for compression) helps when tunneling VNC through it, too |
| 00:57.23 | cire | great, I'll use it. Thanks. |
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| 00:59.57 | elagar | hi.. can i run in debianAMD64 all the applications that runs in x86? |
| 01:01.17 | markybob | elagar, you probably mean aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk |
| 01:02.49 | elagar | ok.. i have an AMD64X2 .. but im running X86 kernel and system.. compiled with support to Athlon CPU.. i wanna know if can i reinstall debianAMD64 and it is not going to give problems with the commond applications |
| 01:03.57 | cire | Wyzard: after ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900, running x11vnc results in Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. Using ssh -X results in old BadAccess error... |
| 01:04.22 | cire | I mean ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 -X |
| 01:04.24 | Wyzard | cire: You need "-display :0" when running x11vnc |
| 01:04.29 | Wyzard | cire: and you don't need -X |
| 01:04.59 | Wyzard | cire: Remember, you want x11vnc to connect to the existing display :0 on the remote machine, not your local display tunneled through SSH |
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| 01:06.36 | Saar | does anyone know a tool to monitor bandwidth usage on a network, per IP address preferably |
| 01:06.50 | cire | I still get "x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0" ev en wehn using display :0 |
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| 01:07.30 | Wyzard | cire: Does the existing X display belong to a different user? |
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| 01:08.05 | cire | It belongs to, err, nobody. What do you mean with "belongs"? |
| 01:08.29 | cire | It's still at kdm, nobody is logged in |
| 01:08.39 | Bac0n | Baloo: i use postfix ... its easy |
| 01:09.13 | Baloo | Bac0n: OK, so when someone wants to send mail and they're a valid user on the system, it works without too much hassle? |
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| 01:09.59 | Bac0n | Baloo: there are alot of guides on the net |
| 01:10.49 | Baloo | Bac0n: I'm just looking for the easiest, cleanest way to support both ASMTP from clients, as well as authenticating to a smarthost. |
| 01:10.54 | Wyzard | cire: Normally you can only connect to an X display that belongs to you |
| 01:11.19 | Baloo | Given how common the need is for both, it galls me that debconf doesn't offer to do all that configuration for you at install/reconfiguration |
| 01:11.24 | cire | In what case does it belong to me? (sorry, I'm not very familiar with that topic). When the user has started a kde session? |
| 01:11.29 | Wyzard | cire: so you can't connect to the GDM display, which belongs to some system user |
| 01:12.02 | cire | hmm, okay |
| 01:12.13 | Wyzard | cire: X11 has a mechanism called "xauth" which associates a cryptographic key, stored in your ~/.Xauthority, with an running X display |
| 01:12.56 | Wyzard | cire: And to connect to the display, you must have access to the correct xauth key (which means being able to read your account's .Xauthority file, which presumably means being you) |
| 01:13.22 | Wyzard | cire: The GDM display uses an xauth key that you don't have in your .Xauthority file |
| 01:13.40 | cire | I get the point |
| 01:13.41 | Wyzard | cire: When you log in, its xauth key gets changed to yours, so that you have access to the display |
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| 01:14.25 | Wyzard | cire: It's possible to export and import keys from the .Xauthority file, so if you can find where the GDM display's xauth key is stored, you could import it into your .Xauthority and then you'd be able to connect x11vnc to it |
| 01:14.26 | Baloo | Bac0n: any pointers? |
| 01:14.32 | Wyzard | cire: I wouldn't really say that's a good idea though |
| 01:14.41 | cire | so... either I have to get the kdm-user xauth key (and losing display after logging in and changing the key), or I have toi log in before. |
| 01:15.23 | cire | It's a pity that vnc4server's libvnc.so module doesn't work anymore with xorg. |
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| 01:16.12 | cire | Wyzard: I think I have understood the problem now. Thanks for your patience. |
| 01:16.37 | cire | I wont hack my system, and import and export keys around ;) |
| 01:16.49 | adama | Saar: ntop or mrtg |
| 01:16.58 | Saar | thanks |
| 01:17.10 | cire | It's just some kind of sad that under Windows every kid may install vnc without problems ;) |
| 01:17.22 | Wyzard | cire: Doesn't vnc4server create a new X display, rather than connecting to an existing one? |
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| 01:18.19 | cire | yeah, but the module is exactly what I need. You can import it into xorg.conf, (Modules Section Load vnc). It then offers the running X-Session via vnc. |
| 01:18.34 | Wyzard | oh, cool... didn't know about that |
| 01:18.54 | cire | and now, my module is gone ;) |
| 01:19.14 | Wyzard | though I'd rather use x11vnc anyway (I can start it up just when I want to use it, and stop it afterward, so I don't constantly have a VNC server running as a security risk) |
| 01:19.15 | cire | looked at bugs.debian.org, and found out that it was removed because of conflicts with new xorg. |
| 01:19.36 | wndr | hi guys. I have a question about X. In the past I used to use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to change the display driver, manage screen resolutions etc. I just installed lenny, and my usual way doesn't seem to work. How do I do these things in lenny? |
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| 01:20.22 | cire | you may be right... but I got used to this ;) Security is not a problem here |
| 01:20.37 | cire | If my flatmate hacks my computer, he gets a beer |
| 01:21.15 | markybob | i never understood that definition of "flat" |
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| 01:21.46 | markybob | your mate has no boobs? good for him |
| 01:22.03 | WormFood | is this debian specific predictable random number generator problem intentional or not? I'm sure it has been discussed before |
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| 01:22.52 | markybob | WormFood, http://www.us.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576 |
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| 01:24.19 | cire | thought flat would be some kind of appartment... |
| 01:24.41 | markybob | it is. i was making a point...trying to anyway. apparently not :P |
| 01:25.08 | cire | sorry, since I'm not an english native speaker I'll not get every... point ;) |
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| 01:25.41 | enouf | you friggin wintendo weenies .. gah |
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| 01:27.29 | WormFood | markybob, yes, I've read that page before, and it does not tell me if someone sabotaged the package or not. Is this an accident, or a deliberate problem? It is only specific to debian. Why was it changed in the first place? |
| 01:27.42 | dFence_ | is there something like a catch-all mkdir or ln? something similar to automount (cd into existingdir/nonexistentdir1/ resp. existingdir/nonexistingdir2/ all end up in existingdir/catch-all-dir) |
| 01:28.01 | markybob | WormFood, if it was a "deliberate problem", new packages which fix it wouldnt have been released, now would they? |
| 01:28.16 | dendrite | WormFood: That page does discuss why the change was made. That page also represents the collective understanding of this channel. |
| 01:28.41 | WormFood | markybob, they went a long time without being noticed |
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| 01:34.30 | roue | hola |
| 01:35.06 | roue | I've done the libssl update and regenerated my keys, but does anyone know why openssh-server and openssh-client are being held back on apt-get update/upgrade? thanks. |
| 01:35.23 | roue | (this is in etch) |
| 01:35.25 | dendrite | roue: Because it wants to bring in a new package. |
| 01:35.52 | roue | dendrite: I'm not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate please? |
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| 01:36.21 | dendrite | roue: Any upgrade that adds a new dependency will be held back. Install the packages directly. |
| 01:36.39 | dendrite | Or, I think a dist-upgrade will pull 'em and the new package in... |
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| 01:36.51 | dondelelcaro | or just use aptitude. |
| 01:36.58 | roue | dendrite: so it's because there's a new dependancy? |
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| 01:37.11 | dendrite | roue: Yes. |
| 01:37.15 | roue | ah, okay. |
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| 01:37.32 | Pic1 | hello |
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| 01:37.45 | roue | so I can just apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server and be done with it, it looks like. |
| 01:37.54 | Pic1 | it is possible to change the refrash rate in debian in easy way, like with displayconfig-gtk in ubuntu ? |
| 01:38.13 | Pic1 | or screen resolution |
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| 01:38.32 | dendrite | roue: Right |
| 01:38.45 | Pic1 | like with program displayconfig-gtk |
| 01:38.46 | Pic1 | ;> |
| 01:38.50 | roue | openssh-blacklist is just 2m of bad keys. oy. |
| 01:38.59 | hilikus | lol |
| 01:39.03 | itomato | Picl - there are multiple ways - depending on what desktop manager and video chipset you are using |
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| 01:39.27 | itomato | and how much you like GUI :) |
| 01:39.34 | gravity | Pic1: xrandr can do it for that session. You can also specify things across sessions by editing xorg.conf manually |
| 01:39.53 | markybob | Pic1, you could always build and install displayconfig-gtk from the hardy source |
| 01:39.55 | gravity | Pic1: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 provides a lot of instructions on it |
| 01:40.07 | markybob | Pic1, if that's the kind of thing you like :P |
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| 01:40.13 | Pic1 | as desktop manager i use gnome, but the debian won't be able to change the refrarh rate and my screen resolution without enabled propriety nvidia video card driver. |
| 01:40.55 | itomato | Picl - you will get much more from your system if you install the nvidia driver & tools |
| 01:41.15 | pinto3 | the nv driver runs kde fine here, little sluggish on the fx but it's good |
| 01:41.20 | Pic1 | so i wanted to know if is possible to enable/install via aptitude restricted driver manager for my nvidia card.. |
| 01:42.08 | gravity | Pic1: Add non-free to your sources.list |
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| 01:42.40 | roue | thanks for your help. see ya later. |
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| 01:44.56 | Maxt3r | how do i fint out what my mysql host is |
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| 01:45.20 | cire | Wyzard: I was successful using -auth option. I didn't have to import the keys, but start x11vnc as user root. Since security is not the problem this will be my solution for now ;) |
| 01:45.42 | dendrite | Maxt3r: Ask your network administrator? |
| 01:45.53 | itomato | can you be more specific? |
| 01:46.13 | Maxt3r | lol its localhost :D |
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| 01:46.24 | Wyzard | cire: If you're not connecting to an existing logged-in display, why not just use vnc4server to create a new display that's independent of the GDM one? |
| 01:46.42 | dendrite | Maxt3r: Cool. Of course from your question it *could* have been any server on the planet... |
| 01:47.02 | cire | That computer is connected to my TV - I need the display for watching the films ;) |
| 01:47.06 | Maxt3r | dendrite, yea |
| 01:47.20 | cire | I want to control it with my laptop from the couch |
| 01:47.34 | itomato | notes that debootstrap takes forever over coffeehouse wireless.. |
| 01:47.57 | markybob | itomato, then go home |
| 01:48.17 | itomato | no chicks at home markybob |
| 01:48.34 | markybob | good answer :P |
| 01:48.41 | itomato | :) |
| 01:48.44 | Ryan52 | itomato: at least you dont have to program over ssh using a slow connection...my keystrokes are really laggy. |
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| 01:48.53 | itomato | not that they care about debootstrap.. |
| 01:49.48 | itomato | true - I *did* have to connect to Qdoba restaurants via remote desktop and dialup VPN though. |
| 01:49.56 | itomato | on windows.. |
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| 01:50.05 | itomato | I'd gladly trade! |
| 01:50.40 | itomato | this gives me an excuse to sit here and look serious.. they like that |
| 01:51.01 | karsten | What's a tool that allows you to see an http negotiation as it happens? |
| 01:51.11 | itomato | wireshark |
| 01:51.12 | Ryan52 | karsten: wireshark |
| 01:51.55 | itomato | i feel like this is a gameshow sometimes.. |
| 01:52.05 | Ryan52 | heh. |
| 01:52.14 | dendrite | itomato: s/game/freak/ =) |
| 01:52.19 | itomato | no prizes though |
| 01:52.27 | itomato | falls out of chair |
| 01:52.28 | dendrite | !prize itomato |
| 01:52.28 | dpkg | gives itomato a yogi pin. |
| 01:52.54 | jerbear | anyone kind enough to help me debug a problem i'm having authenticating by public key over ssh? |
| 01:53.12 | Ryan52 | jerbear: yucky! more keys! what is it? |
| 01:53.21 | itomato | adorns his commemorative sweater vest with festive yogi pin |
| 01:53.23 | dendrite | jerbear: You "/msg dpkg dsa1571" yet? |
| 01:53.48 | jerbear | dendrite: oh? did i miss something? |
| 01:54.00 | Ryan52 | security vulnnerability in openssl |
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| 01:54.28 | jerbear | ok, what do i need to do? i can't authenticate via pubkey anymore |
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| 01:55.02 | Ryan52 | jerbear: did the place your trying to authenticate to throw out your key cause it was bad? |
| 01:55.03 | tocoam | any link to info about the commercial use of debian? |
| 01:55.15 | jerbear | i just got an update to ssh server today |
| 01:55.16 | Ryan52 | tocoam: read the gnu license |
| 01:55.24 | itomato | has anyone seen/tried this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-opensslsshvpn-vulnerability-in-ubuntu-704710804.html |
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| 01:55.32 | Ryan52 | jerbear: openssh is probably blacklisting you |
| 01:55.37 | jerbear | Ryan52: i control the server |
| 01:55.50 | Ryan52 | jerbear: yes, openssh will blacklist bad keys |
| 01:56.05 | jerbear | why in the world would it blacklist me? |
| 01:56.10 | tocoam | Ryan52: how would that be of help to what I want? |
| 01:56.14 | Ryan52 | jerbear: so if your key was one of the vulnerable ones you wont have access |
| 01:56.28 | jerbear | Ryan52: i tried regenerating it |
| 01:56.46 | Ryan52 | jerbear: major error in the random number generater. tons of bad keys. did you upgrade openssl and libssl0.9.8 first? |
| 01:57.00 | jerbear | Ryan52: i'm sure.. it was via apt |
| 01:57.06 | tocoam | Ryan52: i am thinking about what is available for ubuntu, a page on its case studies. |
| 01:57.07 | dendrite | Ryan52: Sadly, not really "tons" of bad keys... Just a few... |
| 01:57.27 | Ryan52 | dendrite: yes...that would be the bad part... |
| 01:57.31 | karsten | Ryan52: Well, that's one option. I thought one of the GET/PUT or similar utilities showed it as well. |
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| 01:57.42 | Ryan52 | jerbear: do you have one of the good versions? |
| 01:57.44 | jerbear | Ryan52: i will need to regenerate the server key? |
| 01:57.51 | jerbear | Ryan52: good versions? |
| 01:57.53 | Ryan52 | jerbear: yes |
| 01:57.59 | jerbear | Ryan52: how do i do that? |
| 01:58.06 | Ryan52 | jerbear: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 01:58.12 | Ryan52 | jerbear: the wiki link will guide you |
| 01:58.17 | dendrite | jerbear: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys <-- read it |
| 01:58.17 | karsten | Ryan52: GET -uU http://www.google.com |
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| 02:00.03 | itomato | the link I pasted contains a weak key detector and instructions for regenerating the pubkey |
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| 02:00.57 | itomato | says ubuntu - applicable to openssl > etch |
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| 02:01.06 | jerbear | Ryan52: i regenerated it, still no pubkey auth |
| 02:01.41 | Ryan52 | jerbear: are you sure you put your authorized key file in the right place and its chown-ed and chmod-ed right? |
| 02:01.49 | jerbear | Ryan52: yep |
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| 02:02.39 | Ryan52 | jerbear: idk then... |
| 02:03.09 | jerbear | Ryan52: it's got to have something to do with this update. it only stopped working after |
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| 02:03.42 | Ryan52 | jerbear: no, probably that when you made a new key you did something wrong... |
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| 02:04.21 | jerbear | i've done this hundreds of times... i don't know what i could be doing wrong |
| 02:04.57 | Ryan52 | jerbear: what does the weak key checker script say about your new key? |
| 02:05.18 | jerbear | Ryan52: about the server key? |
| 02:05.30 | Ryan52 | jerbear: yes, and you public key |
| 02:06.00 | jerbear | Ryan52: how do i check it? |
| 02:06.20 | Ryan52 | jerbear: ssh-vulnkey on the system your trying to connect to as your user |
| 02:06.43 | Ryan52 | jerbear: If it says compromised thats bad... |
| 02:07.07 | jerbear | ahh... it works, all of a sudden |
| 02:07.18 | jerbear | i regenerated my client key and ssh-copy-id |
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| 02:08.04 | jerbear | what does it mean when it's compromised? |
| 02:08.23 | Ryan52 | you need to regenerate that key on a updated system |
| 02:08.57 | dendrite | jerbear: It means that for practical purposes, ssh with that key is not much more secure than telnet. |
| 02:09.34 | jerbear | i've regenerated my client key several times and it keeps saying that it's compromised |
| 02:09.49 | Ryan52 | jerbear: then you didnt update first |
| 02:10.01 | Ryan52 | jerbear: what version of openssl and libssl0.9.8 do you have? |
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| 02:11.36 | tocoam | i read that debian has a serious crypto bug which leaves private ssh key guessable, has it been fixed? |
| 02:11.49 | Ryan52 | tocoam: upgrade, then regenerate keys |
| 02:11.56 | Ryan52 | tocoam: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 02:12.16 | tocoam | Ryan52: thks. |
| 02:12.30 | jim | tocoam: debian has bugs... debian has packages... debian has deb and ian... |
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| 02:13.37 | karsten | tocoam: /subject |
| 02:13.45 | karsten | tocoam: erm, /topic |
| 02:14.02 | tocoam | karsten: yeah, jujst |
| 02:14.08 | tocoam | just notice that. |
| 02:14.12 | jim | how new is this dsa1571? |
| 02:14.19 | Ryan52 | jim: 2 days |
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| 02:14.33 | jim | ok... |
| 02:15.14 | karsten | tocoam: SSL, SSH, and a few related keys. *NOT* PGP/GPG keys, or the gnutls utilities. |
| 02:15.30 | tocoam | k |
| 02:16.02 | karsten | likes the xkcd take.' |
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| 02:16.30 | Ryan52 | too |
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| 02:16.55 | erlehmann | i made a comic about the recent debian openssh disaster: http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net/index.php?/archives/21-Caprica,-2-years-ago.html |
| 02:16.58 | karsten | tocoam: I've regenerated my personal SSH keys, and my server SSH keys (wups, one more to do, just remembered). If your keys pre-date Sarge, you're OK. |
| 02:17.26 | Ryan52 | We just all gave up on our vpn :D |
| 02:17.44 | karsten | erlehmann: The Girl in the Red Dress.... |
| 02:17.56 | tocoam | karsten: i am just starting to work on it too. |
| 02:18.13 | jerbear | Ryan52: OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
| 02:18.23 | erlehmann | karsten: dunno her name, the battlestar wiki stated her only as "Caprica-Six" |
| 02:18.38 | Ryan52 | jerbear: what version of openssl and libssl0.9.8. "aptitude show openssl" |
| 02:18.50 | karsten | tocoam: If you're using SSH key access, keep your old and new keys around, add the new keys to your authorized_keys file(s) (remotely), *then* delete the old entries. After you've checked everything, lose the old private/public keypairs. |
| 02:18.59 | jerbear | Ryan52: 0.9.8g-4ubuntu3.1 |
| 02:19.04 | karsten | erlehmann: Wrong media reference. I'm thinking Matrix. |
| 02:19.14 | Ryan52 | jerbear: dont ask hear! that ubuntu |
| 02:19.19 | tocoam | karsten: good idea, thks. |
| 02:19.31 | jerbear | #ubuntu doesn't know squat |
| 02:19.33 | Ryan52 | jerbear: /join #ubuntu |
| 02:19.39 | jerbear | i need help from the pros |
| 02:19.46 | erlehmann | karsten: and i am thinking battlestar galactica because two years before the attack on the colonies, baltars relationship with six began |
| 02:19.47 | Ryan52 | jerbear: then install debian and come back when your done with that |
| 02:20.07 | karsten | erlehmann: I'm vaguely familiar with the show, don't watch it regularly though. |
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| 02:20.31 | karsten | wouldn'tm mind a "Starbuck" run though... |
| 02:20.34 | erlehmann | karsten: thing is, he doesn't suspect her being a cylon and she sometimes goives |
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| 02:20.41 | erlehmann | him advice on this algorithms |
| 02:20.44 | jerbear | this isn't an ubuntu problem, this is an ssh problem |
| 02:20.45 | tocoam | is lenny near to release? |
| 02:21.00 | karsten | tocoam: Any more annoying questions you'd like to ask? |
| 02:21.04 | Ryan52 | tocoam: septemver supposedly |
| 02:21.08 | jim | it will be when it's close to ready, if it's not already |
| 02:21.13 | dendrite | Ryan52: What year? |
| 02:21.16 | karsten | !tell tocoam about WIR |
| 02:21.29 | tocoam | Ryan52: great, not too far off, am looking forward to it. |
| 02:21.42 | tocoam | i assume it is this year. |
| 02:21.44 | karsten | heard that lenny will be released at midnight, give-or-take 2 years. |
| 02:21.48 | jim | 2999? |
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| 02:21.55 | dendrite | karsten: =) |
| 02:21.58 | scorche | jerbear: it isnt an ssh problem...it is a problem with libssl |
| 02:21.59 | Ryan52 | karsten: I heard that too :D |
| 02:22.15 | tocoam | Ryan52: i prefer open talk. |
| 02:22.43 | karsten | has discovered yet another irony of corporate computing, and decides to keep his yap shut. |
| 02:22.56 | jerbear | scorche: do i have the right version? |
| 02:23.14 | jerbear | it was updated today, i would assume that it would be correct |
| 02:23.24 | Ryan52 | jerbear: ask in #ubuntu...this is #debian! |
| 02:23.26 | scorche | jerbear: you are in ubuntu...keep asking there, as you are not running debian |
| 02:23.32 | Quintin | I need to take a quick backup of a laptop. Will dd use space for empty spots on the filesystem? |
| 02:23.46 | jerbear | guys, ssh is ssh... ubuntu or debian |
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| 02:23.54 | pickcoder | jerbear: not really |
| 02:23.55 | markybob | jerbear, shut up and go away |
| 02:23.57 | Ryan52 | jerbear: versions are different though |
| 02:24.03 | Maxt3r | is there a way 2 complete remove mysql-server and all its saving |
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| 02:24.12 | jerbear | markybob: what is your problem? |
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| 02:24.20 | dondelelcaro | jerbear: if you're not using Debian, it's not on topic here. Please take it to #ubuntu. |
| 02:24.21 | markybob | jerbear, you. read the fucking /topic |
| 02:24.24 | dendrite | Quintin: Yes, I believe it will. |
| 02:24.27 | scorche | jerbear: again...i said it isnt ssh...and no they aren not necessarily |
| 02:24.33 | dondelelcaro | markybob: no need to be agressive; just use /ignore. |
| 02:25.27 | crn | dondelelcaro, thanks for keeping a bit of order |
| 02:25.45 | karsten | Quintin: I don't believe dd will generate sparse files when copying data. You can create a null sparse file with a 'seek=<n> count=0' option. |
| 02:26.04 | dondelelcaro | yeah; if you want to keep sparseness, use cp. |
| 02:26.20 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: As in cp from the raw device? |
| 02:26.24 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: yes. |
| 02:26.26 | karsten | Quintin: I prefer in general tar or rsync for backups myself. tar if you've got a bunch of files and they *haven't* been backed up lately, rsync if there's a small set of data that's changed and the file count isn't horrendous. |
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| 02:27.22 | pickcoder | I use rysnc to backup backups on remote server with no issues. 4GB daily on avg of new data. |
| 02:27.24 | dondelelcaro | (if you know absolutely that it's sparse, use cp --sparse=always) |
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| 02:31.59 | CaT[tm] | why, when I ssh to another server, does my TERM change from rxvt-unicode to rxvt? Both servers have this termtype so I'm kind of, well, puzzled. |
| 02:32.34 | itomato | what's your profile say on each box? |
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| 02:32.56 | CaT[tm] | itomato: was that to me? |
| 02:33.02 | itomato | yep |
| 02:33.05 | Ryan52 | Is there any way I can make my PS1 stay the same when I ssh somewhere? |
| 02:33.37 | enouf | silently passes markybob the channel taser |
| 02:34.11 | CaT[tm] | itomato: nothing in the profile touches TERM, if that's what you're asking. nothing in /etc appears to either (as far as grep shows) |
| 02:34.46 | dendrite | Ryan52: When you ssh somewhere, you are opening a new shell, and likely on a different machine. That new shell would not have any idea what your old shell was, as far as I can see... |
| 02:34.47 | itomato | CaT[tm]: I'm wondering why its not 'xterm' |
| 02:35.08 | CaT[tm] | itomato: I use urxvt rather then xterm. |
| 02:35.13 | itomato | Ryan52: there may be an option to ssh to pass your environment |
| 02:35.56 | dendrite | itomato: Good call, I see "SendEnv" |
| 02:36.12 | Ryan52 | tried that already |
| 02:36.16 | dendrite | Not sure I'd want to do that as a routine matter... |
| 02:36.50 | dendrite | Ryan52: Maybe you can come up with some amazing Rube Goldberg kludge using expect! |
| 02:36.57 | itomato | CaT[tm]: if they both have unicode rxvt is should stay - else try SendEnv :) |
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| 02:37.52 | CaT[tm] | itomato: Yeah. Fiddling with that now. |
| 02:38.14 | itomato | Xsession rc info should have something to say about it also |
| 02:38.14 | karsten | r |
| 02:39.27 | itomato | karsten is a uPirate |
| 02:39.34 | karsten | dendrite: Correct. It will be the default login shell of the remote host. |
| 02:39.56 | karsten | itomato: focus-follows-mouse *sometimes* gets in the way. |
| 02:40.09 | karsten | itomato: But I've got an awesome iPatch. |
| 02:40.13 | dendrite | karsten: SendEnv does not seem to override that remote shell's $PS1 either... |
| 02:40.40 | CaT[tm] | dendrite: the receiving server must be configured with AcceptEnv btw. |
| 02:40.52 | dendrite | CaT[tm]: Ah, cool. |
| 02:40.55 | karsten | dendrite: You can play some tricks to send environment across and/or invoke specific shells. Look at how cron does similar. |
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| 02:40.58 | Ryan52 | and PS1 gets overiden in the .bashrc |
| 02:41.05 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Oh, sweet. |
| 02:41.15 | itomato | just about to say.. |
| 02:41.26 | karsten | Ryan52: You can execute bash w/ no initializations. |
| 02:41.28 | Quintin | it's windows backup though. I need an image |
| 02:42.03 | Ryan52 | karsten: how? (`man bash` is soo big :( ) |
| 02:42.05 | karsten | Ryan52: bash --norc --noprifle, though I think there's a more straightforward option. |
| 02:42.10 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.11 | dendrite | Interesting. As for me, I'd probably get hopelessly lost in a sea of servers if the prompts were all the same... |
| 02:42.17 | Ryan52 | karsten: thanks |
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| 02:42.54 | dendrite | Though I guess the hostname is bound late. |
| 02:43.22 | Ryan52 | grr...then its "bash-3.1$" I guess I will just have to live without my colors :D |
| 02:43.23 | CaT[tm] | itomato: that, actually, didn't help. |
| 02:43.29 | enouf | Quintin: afaict; you want tar, rsync, cp .. not dd |
| 02:43.37 | karsten | Ryan52: --noprofile, BTW. '/init' finds several of those, shelll args are at the top of the manpage. |
| 02:43.44 | dendrite | Ryan52: You set the sshd to accept Env passing? |
| 02:44.07 | Ryan52 | no... |
| 02:44.26 | karsten | Quintin: You can run tar on Windows as well. Though you may be right there, I don't know what handles Windows file perms / attributes / ACLs properly. |
| 02:44.57 | karsten | Quintin: So long as it's just user-space files, I'd do tar / scp / rsync or use something like Amanda. |
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| 02:45.28 | enouf | Quintin: once you have what data you want, see g4u |
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| 02:46.27 | pickcoder | dendrite: you don't use hostname in your prompt? |
| 02:46.36 | dendrite | pickcoder: I do |
| 02:46.39 | pickcoder | (hopefully they all aren't the same hostname) |
| 02:46.57 | dendrite | pickcoder: I'm basically just trying to absorb the idea of passing env. |
| 02:47.15 | pickcoder | I like my env local, personally |
| 02:47.16 | dendrite | pickcoder: I realize now that \u@\h is interpreted at prompt-generation. |
| 02:47.25 | pickcoder | I'd just update the login profile for my account |
| 02:47.37 | dendrite | pickcoder: I'm the same. |
| 02:47.40 | Ryan52 | pickcoder: on 50 servers? |
| 02:47.59 | pickcoder | Ryan52: nope.. just the ones I use mostly.. if the prompt was that big of an issue |
| 02:48.07 | pickcoder | <and it's not for me> |
| 02:48.19 | Ryan52 | really likes his colors :P |
| 02:48.45 | pickcoder | Ryan52: I don't mind.. I spent years on Wyse terminals |
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| 02:49.07 | enouf | what you see esta? |
| 02:49.22 | karsten | pickcoder: So, You're a Wyse guy, eh? |
| 02:49.24 | CaT[tm] | this be driving me crazy |
| 02:49.40 | karsten | CaT[tm]: Short drive, but enjoy the scenery. |
| 02:50.46 | CaT[tm] | karsten: it appears to be high tide. only a bit of water amongst the tuna. |
| 02:50.53 | pickcoder | I actually keep one around to program modems... |
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| 02:51.34 | CaT[tm] | wonders where the snot the ssh connection is getting rxvt from. |
| 02:51.54 | pickcoder | are your locales set the same? |
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| 02:52.40 | karsten | CaT[tm]: $TERM *is* passed to the remote connection. |
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| 02:53.20 | karsten | CaT[tm]: I usually have to code something into remote .bash_login or .login for hosts that don't have/know Debian terminals. Recode everything to 'xterm'. |
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| 02:54.52 | CaT[tm] | karsten: something whacky is happening though. it starts off as rxvt-unicode locally and ends up as rxvt remotely. all debian boxes. If I could figure out what to poke I'd be happy. :) |
| 02:56.14 | pickcoder | CaT[tm]: locales? |
| 02:56.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.19 | pickcoder | charset maybe? |
| 02:56.40 | CaT[tm] | pickcoder: en_AU.UTF-8 for all except LC_COLLATE. |
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| 02:57.49 | snewp | i have an oidentd problem it says error: no-user |
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| 03:03.57 | CaT[tm] | ah. I think I know what may be up. I think my X session be somewhat buggered. |
| 03:05.44 | timlarson | my PATH looks like this ~/local/bin:normal_system_paths_here |
| 03:06.06 | zinx | i usem ~/bin myself |
| 03:06.08 | zinx | erh, use |
| 03:06.16 | timlarson | but if there is a program at /usr/bin with a name that matches a program at ~/local/bin the /usr/bin program gets run |
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| 03:06.31 | zinx | are you sure your PATH is like that? |
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| 03:06.44 | zinx | echo $PATH may help |
| 03:07.04 | timlarson | echo $PATH shows this: |
| 03:07.07 | zinx | and if which shows ~/local/bin, you probably need to clear the cache.. i think it's "hash -r" in bash or something to do that |
| 03:07.08 | timlarson | /home/tim/local/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
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| 03:07.38 | timlarson | programs in /home/tim/local/bin run fine, as long as there is no program with a matching name in /usr/bin |
| 03:07.59 | zinx | what does 'which <program>' say the path is? |
| 03:08.12 | timlarson | which x11vnc |
| 03:08.14 | timlarson | /home/tim/local/bin/x11vnc |
| 03:08.21 | zinx | your shell has cached it |
| 03:08.27 | timlarson | but it runs /usr/bin/x11vnc instead |
| 03:08.29 | zinx | clear it, like i said.. if you're using bash, it's "hash -r" |
| 03:09.23 | timlarson | thanks, that works...other than when having problems, how can I know when I should do that clearing cache trick? |
| 03:09.39 | zinx | when 'which <program>' is different from what's being run |
| 03:09.53 | zinx | generally that only happens when you run a command, then put it somewhere earlier in the PATH |
| 03:10.44 | timlarson | so if I had closed the xterm and started another, it likely would have worked even if I had never issued a hash -r ? |
| 03:11.22 | timlarson | or is the hash persistant across bash restarts? |
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| 03:12.28 | wast | evening |
| 03:13.14 | wast | boss says install fedora, got angry [box has no dvdrom, 256mb ram]. will install debian instead, i gave fedora 1.5h of my time |
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| 03:13.25 | timlarson | constructed a quick test...results indicate the hash is not persistant across bash sessions. |
| 03:13.45 | zinx | timlarson: it is indeed not persistent |
| 03:13.47 | timlarson | thanks for the help |
| 03:14.06 | markybob | wast, fedora has only ever wasted my time. wish i could've saved you :P |
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| 03:19.22 | CaT[tm] | sometimes... sometimes life just sucks. I was setting the term type in my afterstep config. |
| 03:19.57 | pickcoder | sometimes the most obvious things are the last things we check... |
| 03:21.42 | Rusty1 | zinx perhaps a stanza in $HOME/.bashrc ? |
| 03:21.47 | CaT[tm] | I even remember why now. I had a lot of sarge boxes and they don't have rxvt-unicode. |
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| 03:24.18 | CaT[tm] | oh look. it works now. /sigh/ |
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| 03:24.42 | wast | do i need a /sys entry in fstab? |
| 03:24.46 | CaT[tm] | now to fix screen. |
| 03:26.13 | zinx | Rusty1: no |
| 03:26.39 | zinx | Rusty1: it's a lookup generated at run-time as you run stuff, per bash process |
| 03:26.52 | zinx | Rusty1: not saved anywhere or shared between processes |
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| 03:31.36 | simonrvn | enouf: me too what? |
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| 03:35.47 | wast | bit sad i get 5-15x faster download speeds at home on adsl1 than i do at a university |
| 03:37.46 | phenom|zZz | gentoo or debian, what ya'll think ? |
| 03:38.18 | wast | we all think you should use gentoo, i mean thats why we're all in #gentoo |
| 03:38.32 | simonrvn | nice one |
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| 03:41.06 | wast | hmm |
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| 03:41.29 | wast | the install doc seems wrong. its telling me to install grub from within the chroot, but the drive is not visible inside the chroot |
| 03:41.52 | jngu1 | Hi all. I installed openssh-blacklist, but it ssh-vulnkey isn't available... |
| 03:41.58 | jngu1 | Anyone have any idea why? |
| 03:42.21 | wast | tried as root? its nto in the default user path |
| 03:42.31 | jngu1 | wast: yes |
| 03:42.39 | cky | jngu1: You will have to update openssh-client too. |
| 03:42.45 | simonrvn | which ssh-vulnkey |
| 03:42.46 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/ssh-vulnkey |
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| 03:42.53 | jngu1 | cky: That was it. |
| 03:42.54 | jngu1 | thanks. |
| 03:42.57 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 03:43.25 | cky | wast: If your are trying to get grub to recognise your /boot (assuming it's a separate partition) it needs to be mounted inside your chroot. |
| 03:43.29 | jngu1 | I thought I did that already... but I guess not. |
| 03:43.33 | cky | wast: It can be bind-mounted if you like. |
| 03:43.47 | wast | i' trying to install grub |
| 03:44.00 | wast | simonrvn: my bad :\ |
| 03:44.02 | wast | # /usr/sbin/grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/debinst/ /dev/hda |
| 03:44.02 | wast | /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 03:44.15 | wast | ^huhuh? i managed to mkfs fine |
| 03:44.21 | cky | Okay. Do this: mount --bind /dev /mnt/debinst/dev |
| 03:44.23 | cky | Then try again. |
| 03:44.27 | jngu1 | err... one more openssh question: does no blacklist information implied not vulnerable, or should I just generate new keys anyways? |
| 03:44.45 | markybob | jngu1, were you using dsa or rsa keys? |
| 03:44.50 | wast | cky: i think that will result in the same error as i just produced outside the chroot |
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| 03:44.54 | cky | jngu1: No blacklist information does _not_ mean not vulnerable, just no info available. |
| 03:45.05 | cky | jngu1: For example, RSA-1024 keys have no blacklist info available. |
| 03:45.05 | jngu1 | rsa |
| 03:45.11 | markybob | jngu1, you're fine |
| 03:45.13 | jngu1 | yeah, thats what they are. |
| 03:45.21 | jngu1 | thanks for the help guys. |
| 03:45.35 | wast | aye, it did, |
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| 03:47.57 | wast | --recheck fixed it |
| 03:48.01 | wast | now to see if i can boot! |
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| 03:57.17 | jngu1 | Are there any known exploiters of the ssh vulnerability? |
| 03:58.01 | nevyn | jngu1: there are known bad keys |
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| 03:58.02 | hilikus | hdmoore is making a tool right now |
| 03:58.12 | hilikus | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ |
| 03:58.21 | hilikus | "In the near future, this site will be updated to include a brute force tool that can be used quickly gain access to any SSH account that allows public key authentication using a vulnerable key." |
| 03:58.49 | hilikus | and knowing the stuff hdm puts out. i'm sure it will be a great tool |
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| 03:59.55 | jngu1 | I'm trying to see if there are ways to tell if I've already been compromised. |
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| 04:02.51 | foobar | Debian is nice, but using the 1st CD out of 13 to install the OS fails... |
| 04:03.09 | foobar | watches a netinst go on his server |
| 04:03.21 | synx | dumpshm isn't in the 'gnash' package... anyone know about this? |
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| 04:03.51 | synx | foobar: fails? o.O It should at least work, even if there's not much software on it. |
| 04:04.06 | foobar | synx: it works, but barely |
| 04:04.17 | synx | gnash is telling me to 'dumpshm -i' but there is no dumpshm anywhere in debian I can find. |
| 04:05.33 | synx | foobar: define barely. What's going wrong? |
| 04:06.10 | foobar | synx: nothing, I'm not even trying that |
| 04:06.37 | foobar | but, if you attempt to install something from the package manager, you need more disks |
| 04:07.02 | synx | Or a network connection. |
| 04:07.06 | nevyn | hilikus: it should be called "The debian skeleton keyring" |
| 04:07.19 | hilikus | why? |
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| 04:07.37 | nevyn | skeleton key a key that opens a whole bunch of locks |
| 04:07.46 | nevyn | and a reference to bad past behavior |
| 04:07.49 | hilikus | jngu1 you would tell by doing basic forensics on your box |
| 04:08.16 | jngu1 | I'm looking through my auth log...but I don't know what to look for. |
| 04:08.22 | jngu1 | I knew I should've installed tripwire |
| 04:08.26 | jngu1 | its such a pain in the ass to maintain though. |
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| 04:08.41 | hilikus | learn to read your logs :| |
| 04:08.50 | hilikus | its one of the most important parts of you system |
| 04:09.01 | pinto3 | look for failed or failure for one |
| 04:09.15 | pinto3 | or root logins that you don't know about |
| 04:09.22 | jngu1 | yeah, I'm doing that. |
| 04:09.28 | jngu1 | There are too many root logins by services. |
| 04:09.34 | jaggz- | Setting up exim (3.36-18.2) ... This is a package of exim 3.x. This is no longer supported upstream... |
| 04:09.38 | pinto3 | they usually follow a time interval |
| 04:09.46 | jngu1 | pinto3: good point. |
| 04:10.03 | jaggz- | I'm at etch.. the latest stable debian right? Why in the world is my new aptitude install exim saying this? :/ |
| 04:11.29 | synx | is there an exim4 jaggz? I use postfix, sorry |
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| 04:22.15 | Quintin | how many MiB can a DVD-R hold? |
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| 04:22.30 | markybob | Quintin, seriously? you cant google or wikipedia *that*? |
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| 04:22.59 | Quintin | markybob: I'm trying, not seeing it |
| 04:23.03 | Quintin | wikipedia has gib :p |
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| 04:23.18 | Quintin | google calculator doesn't understand mib and gib either |
| 04:23.19 | markybob | Quintin, yes. now do you know how many MiB is in a GiB? |
| 04:23.29 | Quintin | dunno. 1024 ? or 1k ? |
| 04:23.33 | markybob | 1024 |
| 04:23.35 | nightstrike_ | ever tried GB x 1024? |
| 04:23.36 | Quintin | kk. ty |
| 04:23.45 | Quintin | nightstrike_: I have to have exact number... :p |
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| 04:24.11 | markybob | Quintin, fyi, MB is 1k, MiB is 1024 |
| 04:24.37 | Quintin | markybob: screwy. hard disk manufacturers should be shot |
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| 04:24.42 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 04:24.44 | Quintin | markybob: I'm using partimage to make a quick backup |
| 04:25.12 | acehigh | anyone used vbox before I am getting a strange situation |
| 04:25.30 | something_new | hello, I'm new to debian, I just installed 4.0. I'm trying to install new software with apt-get, I noticed my installation doesn't have sudo installed. What package do I have to install to get sudo? |
| 04:25.32 | acehigh | I am having a problem when installing windows xp into a vm on virtualbox. I get to the format screen on xp and it just makes the screen after about 2 minute disappear. The screen in the virtual box states aborted. I checked the logs and it states "TM: Giving up catch-up attempt at a 60541336169 ns lag; new total: 60541336169 ns" |
| 04:26.04 | markybob | something_new, sudo |
| 04:26.13 | nightstrike_ | something_new: use apt-cache search "sudo", and u'll find what u want |
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| 04:26.30 | something_new | aw..dumb question. thanks guys. |
| 04:26.31 | markybob | acehigh, yes, and i've installed xp in vbox, but i've never seen that. you might wanna try #vbox |
| 04:26.32 | acehigh | markybob, sup |
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| 04:26.49 | acehigh | markybob, already asked noone replying |
| 04:26.51 | acehigh | :) |
| 04:26.55 | markybob | ah |
| 04:27.04 | acehigh | been trying all day actually |
| 04:27.27 | synx | Quintin: A DVD can hold 2295104*2*1024 bytes, as I measured using dvd+rw-mediainfo (in groisofs package). The ISO overhead is about 400K, as far as making a test ISO demonstrated. |
| 04:27.50 | Quintin | synx: I went with 4400mib... not quite full, but close enough |
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| 04:28.26 | acehigh | markybob, one thing i have noticed is vbox states it is a ide master but this is a sata drive on sdb |
| 04:28.47 | markybob | acehigh, that's normal (and default, and works) |
| 04:28.53 | synx | About 4.3 gibibytes, or 4.6 gigabytes |
| 04:28.57 | acehigh | markybob, hrm |
| 04:29.09 | acehigh | maybe im missing some package or something |
| 04:29.20 | markybob | acehigh, are you using apic in vbox? or pae? |
| 04:29.28 | acehigh | i downloaded the deb from the sun site as www.virtaulbox.org points you to there |
| 04:29.35 | acehigh | let me look |
| 04:29.51 | acehigh | acpi |
| 04:29.54 | synx | 4400 mibibytes might be over the top... couldn't tell you. It might vary between DVDs too. I have 4378 mibibytes myself. |
| 04:30.03 | markybob | acehigh, acpi is fine...i've had problems with apic, though |
| 04:30.21 | acehigh | thats off |
| 04:30.28 | Quintin | oh |
| 04:30.29 | acehigh | only one selected on is acpi |
| 04:30.32 | Quintin | well crap =P |
| 04:30.37 | synx | dumpshm, in gnash. Why is it not in gnash? It's supposed to be in the gnash package. I cannot find it anywhere. |
| 04:31.00 | acehigh | ive even broke the partition down to being fat32 and only 10 gigs and it still fails |
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| 04:31.12 | acehigh | also tried ntfs |
| 04:31.19 | markybob | acehigh, using 20G on ntfs here. |
| 04:31.22 | acehigh | thinking maybe |
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| 04:31.49 | acehigh | but it should be able to install on any partition though right? |
| 04:31.55 | markybob | acehigh, did /etc/init.d/vboxdrv and /etc/init.d/vboxnet get run? |
| 04:31.57 | acehigh | cause its a vdi file |
| 04:32.11 | acehigh | i did modprobe vboxdrv and it runs |
| 04:32.23 | acehigh | let me look at the vboxnet |
| 04:33.46 | acehigh | Shutting down VirtualBox host networking: done. |
| 04:33.52 | acehigh | looks to be as it shutdown |
| 04:33.55 | acehigh | and restarted |
| 04:34.29 | markybob | got me :P |
| 04:34.45 | acehigh | why is it i always come with the most complex problems |
| 04:34.48 | acehigh | :P |
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| 04:35.19 | acehigh | i would install vmware but dont want the overhead |
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| 04:35.30 | sloloem | So I've been messing around with Debian in some VMs. And I'm trying to setup DDNS. I have DHCP3-server working as DHCP, and BIND9 for DNS working...as DNS. But I can't get the client to update DNS when it gets IP from DHCP, and I can't figure out why...nothing showing up in logs except dhcpd showing request and ack. |
| 04:35.59 | Lagbolt | anyone know if you want to run another X server from a chroot how to get nvidia driver installed. . . it wants to install kern module but there is no kern |
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| 04:36.25 | acehigh | markybob, one thing i noticed while booting is i get a orange * on some entry in the boot log but I cant seem to find it in dmesg or the log files and its right before gdm launches |
| 04:36.51 | markybob | acehigh, update-rc.d -f gdm remove -- that'll stop it from launching |
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| 04:37.06 | markybob | acehigh, then update-rc.d defaults gdm to restore its launching |
| 04:37.18 | acehigh | k let me try that brb |
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| 04:38.14 | acehigh | brb |
| 04:38.17 | n3kl | How do I install the flash plugin for opera/firefox now that flashplayer-nonfree is no longer in apt? |
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| 04:38.59 | ice63 | n3kl, 64 bit ? |
| 04:39.03 | markybob | n3kl, it is. http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:41.11 | kevix | i running etch on my xo and wanted to use iceweasel 3 because it uses less memory. is it in experimental? |
| 04:41.42 | markybob | kevix, yes |
| 04:41.53 | kevix | ok. thanks. |
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| 04:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | whistles. |
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| 04:45.18 | acehigh | markybob, Virtual Box Additions Disabled, not in a virtual machine |
| 04:45.23 | acehigh | thats what it stated |
| 04:45.40 | acehigh | that shouldnt matter should it |
| 04:45.42 | markybob | acehigh, that's fine for the host box |
| 04:46.04 | acehigh | thinking about uninstalling and reinstalling? |
| 04:46.10 | synx | I'm holding out on 3 until the mozilla foundation fixes their damned broken bookmarks. |
| 04:46.11 | acehigh | think that would fix it? |
| 04:46.26 | markybob | acehigh, really not a clue, sorry |
| 04:46.35 | acehigh | ill try that |
| 04:46.36 | acehigh | :P |
| 04:46.58 | n3kl | ice63: no, 32bit |
| 04:47.23 | n3kl | markybob: why is it not showing up in my lenny sources? |
| 04:47.42 | markybob | n3kl, if you'll check the link i gave you, it's not in lenny, just sid |
| 04:47.47 | acehigh | brb |
| 04:48.04 | synx | Oh also having some extensions that work would be nice. |
| 04:48.05 | n3kl | markybob: so I have have to pin it to even get it installed on lenny? |
| 04:48.24 | markybob | n3kl, you can do a simple sid backport or check backports.org |
| 04:48.35 | markybob | !tell n3kl about ssb |
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| 04:49.25 | n3kl | markybob: I will check it out, thanks. Is this a recent change. Seems like I remember doing this not too long ago. |
| 04:49.53 | markybob | i dont know when it got pulled from lenny...or if it was ever in lenny. *shrug* |
| 04:50.29 | n3kl | markybob: meh, thanks anyway. |
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| 04:50.58 | n3kl | I just got one of those eeepcs and the install pushed me to lenny, for everything else I use etch, so I dunno. |
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| 04:56.36 | msshams | this is my strace apache2 output: http://phpfi.com/317002. please tell me what is it? |
| 04:56.36 | msshams | my load rise to 50 now. when i stop apache load down to normal |
| 04:56.36 | msshams | we encounter this php error when apache doesn't work: http://phpfi.com/317003 |
| 04:56.36 | msshams | and some times get this apache2 error.logs:http://phpfi.com/317004 |
| 04:56.36 | msshams | can anyone help me please? that how can i solve this problem? |
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| 05:00.33 | synx | oops |
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| 05:04.39 | CaT[tm] | curses. can't seem to get screen to do >8 colours. |
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| 05:10.00 | dondelelcaro | CaT[tm]: that's actually a function of your terminal; doesn't have much to do with screen. |
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| 05:11.13 | CaT[tm] | dondelelcaro: terminal is capable and >8 colours are displayed outside of screen. |
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| 05:11.55 | synx | Does $TERM change when you use screen and when you don't? |
| 05:12.48 | CaT[tm] | synx: yes. |
| 05:13.26 | CaT[tm] | synx: trying to use termcap/info commands to modify the term... unless I'm misunderstanding something |
| 05:14.10 | rhineheart_m | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.13 | kevix | CaT[tm]: check this: http://www.frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/ |
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| 05:14.47 | decan | hi..has everyone used lkl?? (linux keylogger) |
| 05:14.47 | synx | That could be related to the problem. Find what's changing $TERM |
| 05:14.53 | msshams | how can i uninstall compiled software on etch? |
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| 05:15.21 | kevix | dondelelcaro: do you know if debian's xterm enables the --256-color patch? |
| 05:15.34 | synx | Might just be TERM=linux or something =) |
| 05:16.01 | CaT[tm] | kevix: yeah. that's where I'm at now. Not, seemingly, working. |
| 05:16.30 | CaT[tm] | kevix: tput colors keeps saying 8 and vim only sees 8 also |
| 05:16.52 | synx | msshams: That's why they wrote apt. If you're not using apt, then you just gotta manually rm all the files, and restore old ones if they were overwritten. |
| 05:17.17 | kevix | CaT[tm]: the url mentions a compile-time option. I dont know if Debian enable this. |
| 05:17.42 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: what's your $TERM? |
| 05:17.49 | rhineheart_m | what do you think is the problem if I couldn't apt-get update my box? I can't even mtr yahoo.com. its etho is correct.. |
| 05:17.50 | CaT[tm] | kevix: I grabbed the screen from sid, and backported it. that has it enabled. |
| 05:18.06 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: rxvt-unicode outside of screen, screen-bce inside. |
| 05:18.22 | kevix | CaT[tm]: and the backport'd version is the one that is not working? |
| 05:18.42 | CaT[tm] | kevix: both etch's and the backport. |
| 05:18.45 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: and tput colors says 8 in both places? |
| 05:18.54 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: or was that in the screen only? |
| 05:18.56 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: 88 outside, 8 inside. |
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| 05:19.47 | msshams | synx: is this normal that i remove all files about compiled package manually? |
| 05:19.54 | tmpast | anyone care to tell me what the default groups are for a user created during a debian install are? i used debootstrap so my user doesn't isn't in any |
| 05:20.06 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: try using TERM=screen-256color-bce inside |
| 05:20.49 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: don't have that term definition. |
| 05:21.03 | tmpast | cdrom, audio, floppy come to mind |
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| 05:21.39 | synx | msshams: I usually try to "make -i install" as a non-root user, and just try to read through that to see what it tries to install. |
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| 05:22.15 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: you might try pulling that definition from lenny's or sid's ncurses-term |
| 05:22.18 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: just a moment |
| 05:22.33 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: holding :) |
| 05:22.41 | CaT[tm] | puts on some music. |
| 05:22.55 | bokey | is beer still available? |
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| 05:23.40 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/ take the screen-256color-* definitions |
| 05:24.17 | kevix | tmpast: debian doesnt want a new user to have access for security reasons. but someone else mentioned some common ones. |
| 05:24.25 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: you can put them in ~/.terminfo/s/ |
| 05:24.44 | rhineheart_m | thanks anyway.. its a /etc/resolv.conf issue.. I got the solution :) |
| 05:24.48 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: or into /etc/terminfo/s/ to make them available system-wide |
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| 05:25.46 | kevix | bokey: beer does not travel too well over irc... |
| 05:25.56 | bokey | hehe |
| 05:26.00 | bokey | !beer | kevix |
| 05:26.00 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Jever for | kevix |
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| 05:26.32 | bokey | dpkg doesn't like "|" it seems |
| 05:26.32 | dpkg | bokey: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:26.42 | kevix | bokey: someday someone will invent a IP-enabled beer machine! |
| 05:26.42 | bokey | dpkg: you bot! |
| 05:26.42 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 05:26.49 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: since you really have an 88-color terminal and not a 256-color one, it might be reasonable to edit the terminal description to have colors#88 instead of colors#256 |
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| 05:27.16 | bokey | kevix: i heard there's a vending box somewhere already :D |
| 05:27.16 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: it's what I thought the termcapinfo command was doing :) |
| 05:27.20 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: it's what I thought the termcapinfo command was doing :) |
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| 05:27.48 | kevix | CaT[tm]: did you try the screenrc in that url I mentioned? if do, did it work? |
| 05:28.05 | tmpast | kevix: someone else being? |
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| 05:28.35 | CaT[tm] | kevix: the frexx one? Yes. That's where I started. |
| 05:28.44 | kevix | oh. that was you x-) Its best to enable group access as needed. |
| 05:29.00 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:29.00 | dpkg | <kingsley> OK, there are just a few things that I'd rather do before I resort to using 2.6: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook and watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
| 05:29.10 | kevix | CaT[tm]: ok. did that install the xterm-256 term info? |
| 05:31.03 | kevix | CaT[tm]: if you get nowhere, post on debian-user as Thomas Dickey(mr. xterm) seems to answer there. |
| 05:31.12 | CaT[tm] | kevix: well, ok, I did ignore the truly xterm specific bits as I'm using rxvt. I do get as far as having 88 colors outside of screen but that's as far as that cookie goes. |
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| 05:31.43 | CaT[tm] | kevix: installing the termcaps amethyst provided works but I'm hoping to avoid that and just use screenrc |
| 05:32.12 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: what did you use for the termcapinfo setting? |
| 05:32.26 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: termcapinfo rxvt-unicode 'Co#88:AB=\E[48;5;%dm:AF=\E[38;5;%dm' |
| 05:32.27 | kevix | CaT[tm]: oh. maybe rxvt is not capable whereas xterm is. have you tried it with xterm? |
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| 05:32.42 | Dario7 | hola |
| 05:33.17 | markybob | Dario7, adios |
| 05:33.30 | kevix | !ar |
| 05:33.30 | dpkg | i guess ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 05:33.34 | kevix | !es |
| 05:33.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:34.25 | markybob | how creative is that isp, though? telecom.net.ar? genius! |
| 05:35.23 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: I think that setting is for a different purpose |
| 05:35.30 | adama | hullo, I'm trying to install debian and it says dhcp3-common is corrupt. How do I ignore this and continue the install |
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| 05:35.34 | Dario7 | telecom is my internet provider |
| 05:35.37 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: that setting doesn't affect the termcap/terminfo *inside* of screen |
| 05:36.01 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: rather, it tells screen to pretend that certain terminal have certain features |
| 05:36.18 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: ah |
| 05:37.00 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: but your 'external' terminfo is already reporting all of that stuff correctly |
| 05:37.52 | kevix | adama: have you tried 'apt-get -f install' to fix it? |
| 05:38.00 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: yeah. curses. this seemed so simple :) |
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| 05:39.05 | adama | kevix: hmmm no, I will try it, I don't think that will work during the install though |
| 05:39.13 | adama | have to wait for it to fail again here |
| 05:39.49 | kevix | adama: what method are you using to install Debian? are you installing etch? |
| 05:40.28 | adama | kevix: yeah the latest... 4.0r1 or st. |
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| 05:40.37 | adama | it didn't work - apt-get not found |
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| 05:41.14 | markybob | adama, dude, you need to be root |
| 05:41.34 | CaT[tm] | kevix/amethyst: thanks for your help. I just have to decide wether or not to either a. give up until lenny comes along or b. build a package to manage the exterm terminfos so that I can keep things clean. |
| 05:41.36 | gpm | even non-root has apt-get |
| 05:41.49 | adama | this is singleuser mode, I'm just starting an install off netinst CD |
| 05:42.14 | gpm | why not use the installer? |
| 05:42.25 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: I would say to put them into a package, just make sure it conflicts with higher versions of ncurses-term |
| 05:42.48 | adama | at the step "Install the base system" it goes along and eventually says... |
| 05:43.05 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: yeah. that's what I meant. bit of a hassle so going to have to decide if the purhdy purhdy is worth that :) |
| 05:43.18 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: actually, there's no reason not to just use a later version of the package |
| 05:43.31 | adama | "Warning: file:///cdrom/pool......dhcp3-common_3.0.4-13_i386.deb was corrupt" |
| 05:43.40 | adama | I choose continue |
| 05:43.51 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: wont it potentially have capabilities that ncurses 5.5 doesn't support? |
| 05:43.54 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: while ncurses-base has a dependency on a specific version of ncurses, ncurses-term (which has the terminfos you're looking for) does not |
| 05:44.09 | adama | it says "Warning: Couldn't download package dhcp3-common" |
| 05:44.18 | adama | I choose continue again |
| 05:44.22 | fengor | adama: how about getting a good copy of the netisnt cd |
| 05:44.38 | gpm | what fengor said |
| 05:44.44 | fengor | your cd is obviously broken i'd say |
| 05:44.55 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: I don't think the terminfo spec changes much |
| 05:45.21 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: maybe new capabilities are added, but then old programs/libs will just ignore them |
| 05:45.26 | adama | well yeah but I'd just like to skip that file cause I don't need dhcp3-client to have a working system, and I can download that package with apt later anyways |
| 05:45.49 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: terminfo descriptions say what terminals are capable of, not what curses is capable of |
| 05:46.12 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: yeah. bit weary of that. I could handle that on my desktop but not on a work server. |
| 05:46.15 | fengor | adama, that translates to: i want to shoot myself in the foot because i dontneed that foot now anyways |
| 05:46.32 | fengor | just burn a new cd. its not that expensive anymore... |
| 05:46.33 | adama | exactly, I'm sitting down |
| 05:47.30 | \amethyst | CaT[tm]: I don't see how putting the terminfo into a homespun package is any better, then |
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| 05:49.00 | kevix | adama: this may help:http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 05:49.47 | Fire | Hi, if I do screen -x to a user on my machine and see his screen, and try to open any x application, why doesn't it work? |
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| 05:50.06 | Fire | Isn't there any possibility to open a X-application that both see? |
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| 05:50.40 | kevix | Fire: I usually use 'ssh -X user@ipaddress' for that |
| 05:51.28 | Fire | Kevix: Is there a possiblity that two guys logged on in a shell see the same application simultaneously? |
| 05:51.54 | Fire | Because each x-related command (firefox &, vnviewer) says the X server's killed. |
| 05:53.19 | kevix | Fire: are you looking for something like 'italic' ? |
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| 05:53.43 | kevix | !italic |
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| 05:54.40 | m_g | hi guys |
| 05:54.47 | gpm | !info italic |
| 05:54.55 | cahoot | Fire: IIRC x11vncviewer allows that |
| 05:55.05 | gpm | hi m_g |
| 05:55.17 | m_g | ok this is definitely beyond me.. update-exim4.conf says "DEBCONFsomethingDEBCONF found in exim configuration. This is most probably |
| 05:55.17 | m_g | caused by you upgrading to exim4 4.67-3 or later without accepting the |
| 05:55.18 | m_g | suggested conffile changes. Please read |
| 05:55.18 | m_g | /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/NEWS.Debian.gz for 4.67-2 and 4.67-4" ok fine, but HOW do i accept the changes? i ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config but still i get this message |
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| 05:55.23 | gpm | :( |
| 05:55.25 | m_g | hi gpm |
| 05:55.31 | m_g | oh sorry, the lines were split |
| 05:55.39 | m_g | did my question arrive though? |
| 05:55.48 | cahoot | Fire: err x11vncv |
| 05:56.01 | Fire | I'll try, hang on. |
| 05:56.02 | gpm | yes |
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| 05:56.12 | gpm | you could just grab the conffile from the .deb |
| 05:56.20 | gpm | unless your files are split too |
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| 05:56.26 | gpm | your config i mean |
| 05:56.27 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: well that's localised to just screen. if it breaks it'll break screen and that's it. |
| 05:56.28 | gpm | well even then |
| 05:56.34 | markybob | m_g, really? you cant read the conf file like the message says? |
| 05:56.50 | gpm | otherwise you have to do some hanky-panky with dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure et al |
| 05:56.51 | lindenle | anyone know how to have find match all files like bob_1-1 bob_2-2 bob_3-3 etc |
| 05:56.56 | m_g | markybob, what? |
| 05:57.10 | CaT[tm] | amethyst: and that way I can always get a good terminal and just uninstall the offending package and we're back to normal. |
| 05:57.11 | gpm | oh regexs |
| 05:57.12 | m_g | i read the NEWS file but it's of no help at all |
| 05:57.15 | kevix | Fire: are you wanting to help a client remotely or administer a class room of kids computers? |
| 05:57.20 | m_g | it just says the same as the error message |
| 05:57.23 | markybob | lindenle, find / -name 'bob_*' |
| 05:57.26 | m_g | i want to know HOW i can accept the changes |
| 05:57.33 | Fire | kevix: client, remotly. |
| 05:57.36 | gpm | did you try reinstalling? |
| 05:57.53 | lindenle | markybob: there are also bob_1-9 |
| 05:57.57 | lindenle | that i dont want to match |
| 05:58.03 | m_g | gpm, oh you mean me? |
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| 05:58.07 | gpm | yes |
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| 05:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: find . -name 'bob_[0-9]-[0-8]' |
| 05:58.27 | m_g | i would try reinstalling but i think other packages depend on exim |
| 05:58.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:58.47 | gpm | reinstalling doesn't affect deps |
| 05:58.55 | gpm | uninstalling does |
| 05:59.01 | lindenle | CutMeOwnThroat: i have that but there is also bob_10_10 ;) |
| 05:59.04 | m_g | oh, how can i reinstall? i only knew remove;install |
| 05:59.06 | kevix | Fire: then some kind of vnc setup as was suggested. apt-cache search vnc may help. |
| 05:59.17 | gpm | apt-get install --reinstall <packages> |
| 05:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: well, then I guess you have to continue modifying it to suit your needs :) |
| 05:59.23 | gpm | or aptitude reinstall works too i think |
| 05:59.32 | tmpast | can i get stow to work such that the programs dir is in /opt/something but the symlinks it creates are in /usr/local/? |
| 05:59.37 | Fire | kevix: As I say, I am in the screen of the costumer. |
| 05:59.38 | gpm | man apt-get, man aptitude if i'm wrong |
| 05:59.44 | m_g | let me try |
| 05:59.50 | markybob | lindenle, for crying out loud, dont you think you should mention all of your requirements before saying "no" to everything we suggest that fit your *initial* question?? |
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| 06:00.08 | gpm | regular expressions bring out the worst in us all |
| 06:00.28 | lindenle | tired |
| 06:00.30 | kevix | Fire: screen is to emulate a console. so why use it to start X apps? |
| 06:00.32 | lindenle | apologetic |
| 06:00.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... indeed, it's a bit like "I want that chair moved from here to there" ... then "oh, but you may not use your hands" |
| 06:01.09 | m_g | i can't believe it |
| 06:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpm: a) not true and b) these could up to now just as well be globs |
| 06:01.20 | m_g | gpm, http://rafb.net/p/9k5Ser55.html |
| 06:01.45 | gpm | yuck |
| 06:01.47 | m_g | should i just remove /etc/exim4 prior to doing it? |
| 06:01.53 | gpm | no no no |
| 06:01.58 | Fire | kevix: What was the right way that he can look while I use firefox? |
| 06:02.01 | Fire | for example |
| 06:02.10 | jim | gpm: if they were irregular, we'd need more tp... |
| 06:02.30 | gpm | jim: oh boy |
| 06:02.46 | gpm | m_g: yuck, if i were you i'd just remove all the deps and everything and start over |
| 06:03.22 | gpm | m_g: if you don't like that, you can try to find someone in here who knows dpkg's man page better than i do (which shouldn't be hard) |
| 06:03.38 | m_g | gpm, seems it won't remove too many packages, hope it works, hold on |
| 06:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: and really, if you want bob_1-1 bob_2-2 bob_3-3 to match, but not bob_1-9, bob_10_10 yes, bob_11_11 no... then you should just start up some graphical file manager and sort them by hand... |
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| 06:04.16 | lindenle | CutMeOwnThroat i thought there might be some slick regexp like $1-$1 |
| 06:04.20 | lindenle | that is all i need |
| 06:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you don't want bob_1_9 to match |
| 06:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's not what you want/need |
| 06:04.45 | lindenle | nope |
| 06:04.55 | lindenle | i want a_a to match |
| 06:04.59 | lindenle | where a is any number |
| 06:05.06 | m_g | gpm, heh the exact same message |
| 06:05.17 | jim | so 2_2? 3_3? |
| 06:05.21 | lindenle | yes |
| 06:05.31 | jim | and not 2_3 |
| 06:05.36 | lindenle | right |
| 06:05.42 | lindenle | but also 10_10 |
| 06:05.43 | lindenle | etc |
| 06:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.05 | jim | ok that might cross the line into not-regexp territory |
| 06:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | liar? |
| 06:06.23 | lindenle | no |
| 06:06.30 | lindenle | i dont want 1_9 to match |
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| 06:06.51 | lindenle | i guess i can just wrte a little perl script to do it |
| 06:06.58 | lindenle | take me 1 minute |
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| 06:07.07 | jim | how fast does it have to be |
| 06:07.17 | lindenle | there are only like 30 files |
| 06:07.23 | lindenle | does not hav eto be fast |
| 06:07.24 | tmpast | wtf. stow is finding a comflict between /usr/local/stow/program/man and /usr/local/man despite the later being empty :| |
| 06:08.11 | jim | two matches is the easier way |
| 06:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 06:08.29 | jim | one match I don't see a solution for (even tho it may be a regex) |
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| 06:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think there is something like that |
| 06:08.52 | m_g | i can't believe it |
| 06:09.00 | m_g | how hard can it be to reinstall exim4 with fresh config? |
| 06:09.12 | jim | just purge it and install |
| 06:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but does find use regexps? aren't that globs? |
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| 06:09.36 | Fire | !color |
| 06:09.37 | dpkg | hmm... color is 5c9o3l11o6r |
| 06:09.43 | Fire | !colors |
| 06:09.44 | dpkg | i heard colors is bad. don't use it in excess. |
| 06:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | find manpage: -name pattern Base of file name (the path with the leading directories removed) matches shell pattern pattern. |
| 06:09.56 | Fire | hmm.. How do I get colors in my bash? |
| 06:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, but you can do -regex pattern also |
| 06:10.22 | m_g | jim, i did dpkg --purge exim4, apt-get install exim4 and get "Starting MTA:grep: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template: No such file or directory" in the process |
| 06:10.58 | markybob | Fire, edit your ~/.bashrc |
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| 06:11.22 | jim | it seems to be building exim conf every time |
| 06:11.41 | m_g | apparently.. any suggestions? |
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| 06:13.23 | \amethyst | m_g: that file belongs to exim4-config |
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| 06:13.37 | tmpast | fuck me stow is completely falling ass over. it just finds these dumbass conflicts |
| 06:14.03 | m_g | \amethyst, ok i have removed and purged all exim-* packages now, if i install them again, should it work? |
| 06:14.07 | m_g | or should i do something else before |
| 06:14.08 | \amethyst | m_g: so you'll have to purge and reinstall that package rather than exim4 (or reinstall with force-confmiss) |
| 06:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: find . -regex '.*/b_\([0-9]\)-\1' |
| 06:14.43 | \amethyst | m_g: I think that should be enough; do you have any files left over in /etc/exim4 ? |
| 06:14.55 | m_g | \amethyst, nope, directory is gone |
| 06:14.59 | m_g | ok let me try that :) |
| 06:15.06 | m_g | i bet it will say "hey i need /etc/exim4" |
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| 06:16.12 | gpm | there's a factoid about accidentally deleted conffiles |
| 06:16.19 | gpm | i can never remember what the hell it is called though |
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| 06:16.53 | m_g | well at least the error is different now: http://rafb.net/p/zM9IG843.html any ideas? |
| 06:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: oh, but multiple... so it's find . -regex '.*/b_\([0-9]+\)-\1' |
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| 06:17.05 | m_g | ^ \amethyst |
| 06:17.20 | markybob | bows to CutMeOwnThroat's regex |
| 06:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: that's a load of effort just to sort some porn, but ok |
| 06:17.28 | \amethyst | m_g: oh, I've seen that error |
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| 06:18.13 | msshams | what is pdflush? |
| 06:18.22 | markybob | msshams, love in a bottle |
| 06:18.38 | blame | where can I find vnc server's log file? |
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| 06:19.07 | msshams | markybob: what? |
| 06:19.23 | markybob | msshams, exactly. google |
| 06:19.28 | \amethyst | m_g: it's fixed in sid |
| 06:19.39 | \amethyst | m_g: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477194' |
| 06:19.39 | m_g | \amethyst, i'm using testing :/ |
| 06:20.04 | lindenle | CutMeOwnThroat but it is really sweet porn |
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| 06:20.52 | m_g | \amethyst, can i fix this myself or do i have to wait till it's in testing? |
| 06:20.57 | m_g | which would suck because i need exim |
| 06:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: but obviously only the ones with two times the same number... |
| 06:21.24 | \amethyst | m_g: you could take just the init script from the sid version |
| 06:21.32 | \amethyst | m_g: probably you can install the sid version |
| 06:21.53 | markybob | interesting naming convention for porn |
| 06:22.01 | m_g | \amethyst, something like 'apt-get install exim4-base -t sid"? |
| 06:22.30 | lindenle | CutMeOwnThroat i never said the plt was good |
| 06:22.30 | lindenle | plt --> plot |
| 06:22.30 | markybob | !tell m_g about ssb |
| 06:22.31 | msshams | markybob: some times my server load rise to 60-70. can pdflush daemon cause high load? |
| 06:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindenle: and if you're now saying but I dont want 13_13 to match, 'cause it's unlucky, I'm gonna strangle you |
| 06:22.44 | lindenle | ha ha |
| 06:22.46 | \amethyst | m_g: yes (assuming you have an entry for sid in sources.list) |
| 06:23.01 | lindenle | it is a c style array so 12_12 is unlucky ;) |
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| 06:23.28 | LimCore | can one install openssh that generates keys purely from /dev/random data? |
| 06:23.35 | \amethyst | m_g: it looks like right now you can even mix the sid exim4-base with the rest of exim4 from lenny |
| 06:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | porn named in a c style array? you're a weirdo |
| 06:23.52 | markybob | msshams, simple answer is yes. it all depends |
| 06:24.00 | markybob | msshams, use top to see what's eating cpu |
| 06:24.06 | m_g | \amethyst, wow that seems to work!! :) let me check again |
| 06:24.08 | lindenle | agrees with you |
| 06:24.27 | kevix | blame: 2 place are common for unix systems. /var/log/... and ~/.something |
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| 06:25.18 | \amethyst | m_g: normally it wouldn't be safe to mix, but the versions are close enough that the dependencies are all still satisfied |
| 06:25.47 | m_g | \amethyst, ok exim is back up, great, thank you :) |
| 06:26.12 | m_g | btw, has the open-ssh fix not been added to testing yet? |
| 06:26.19 | m_g | dist-upgrade didn't have openssh in the list |
| 06:26.28 | AcTiVaTe | ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ |
| 06:26.32 | LimCore | will there be some changed to debian security? |
| 06:26.37 | LimCore | since last fail was uhm... big |
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| 06:27.00 | jaggz- | what fail? |
| 06:27.09 | blame | kevix: I've tried both place, and neither shows where the log file is. ~/.vnc does not exist and there's nothing in var/log even did greps earch in var/log nothing. |
| 06:27.14 | cmanns | Guys guys |
| 06:27.14 | LimCore | jaggz-: /topic |
| 06:27.17 | cmanns | http://rafb.net/p/MXUfew77.html |
| 06:27.43 | kevix | LimCore: the size of the issue was not a problem. It was multiple humans who were at fault. some debian some upstream. |
| 06:27.46 | cmanns | The server also transfers data pretty slow (Under 10mbit), we've replaced the cable. What else could cause that just for TX? I'm bout to just replace the mobo :( |
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| 06:28.19 | LimCore | kevix: by big I ment it is a horrible security breach |
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| 06:28.38 | msshams | markybob: when server load rise to a big number, and i see top output, maximum use for apache2 (1.5 % of cpu) |
| 06:28.39 | kevix | blame: do you have to enable something to allow logging? a verbose mode? |
| 06:28.49 | msshams | !!!! |
| 06:28.50 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 06:28.50 | xingu | cmanns: the use of udp in applications more suited to tcp |
| 06:28.54 | jyzhang | slight issue, my computers power button when pushed doesn't initiate a shutdown but rather just turns the entire thing instantly off. can i fix that? |
| 06:28.54 | LimCore | so.. is the current openssh fully fixed? using only /dev/random etc? |
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| 06:29.26 | dpowerd | jyzhang, sounds like you are hitting the "reset" button :P |
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| 06:29.42 | cmanns | xingu, the server doesnt use anything that uses udp as far as I know, on http it delivers corrupt images and such. |
| 06:29.53 | kevix | LimCore: no one know how 'big' an issue is in advance. its found and then you decide its big. |
| 06:30.00 | LimCore | jyzhang: BIOS settings, tell hardware to use power button 4 sec delay |
| 06:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh... how on earth should we still remember if the keys were made after Okt 2006 |
| 06:30.14 | cmanns | to the servers on the same rack/switch, it sends data to it at less than 10mbit too... not |
| 06:30.51 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: there are tools to check your keys (at least for ssh keys, anyway) |
| 06:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'm safe... my keys are all from 18 century :-/ |
| 06:30.51 | blame | kevix: I am not sure. netstat shows: tcp6 0 0 [::]:5900 [::]:* LISTEN 5613/vino-server - which seems to be running, but I can't find where the log files are. |
| 06:30.59 | xingu | cmanns: the overruns are what concern me there; I'd suggest you have full duplex at only one end of that link |
| 06:31.18 | jaggz- | wow |
| 06:31.18 | xingu | cmanns: check with ethtool (or mii-tool if it's an old driver) |
| 06:31.33 | cmanns | alright |
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| 06:31.39 | msshams | which software can create a graph or map from cpu and mem usage? |
| 06:31.41 | jaggz- | what about jenkins' random number generator?? isn't that supposed to be good? |
| 06:32.10 | vraa | msshams, cacti? mrtg? |
| 06:32.13 | vraa | naigos? |
| 06:32.15 | fstab | im trying to build a very small debian system very very very small about 200 mb install with kdebase is this possible |
| 06:32.27 | vraa | fstab, probably, have you looked into debian minimal ? |
| 06:32.29 | jaggz- | msshams, all graphing software probably :) are you interested in something which reads the cpu usage itself? |
| 06:32.33 | cmanns | ethtool isnt installed... mii-tool says http://rafb.net/p/tWPhqf22.html |
| 06:32.49 | vraa | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/432 |
| 06:33.11 | fstab | !debian minimal |
| 06:33.23 | vraa | fstab, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/432 |
| 06:33.31 | fstab | thank you |
| 06:33.35 | msshams | jaggz-: i need that a software analyze cpu and mem usage in a month or yearly average |
| 06:33.44 | cmanns | It's full duplex |
| 06:33.44 | xingu | cmanns: check the switch end to make sure that it also has full-duplex; if it does, then something in the cabling path is faulty (you have crosstalk between rx and tx pairs) |
| 06:33.51 | fstab | its for my asus 2g eee pc |
| 06:33.51 | cmanns | hmm |
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| 06:34.01 | cmanns | We replaced the cable though, and yeah the switch is full-duplex |
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| 06:34.24 | markybob | cmanns, then go to the next thing. card |
| 06:34.29 | xingu | cmanns: is there any other equipment involved (is your switch stacked with other hubs/ switches?) |
| 06:34.36 | cmanns | xingu, nope |
| 06:34.57 | cmanns | markybob, thats what I'm thinkin, new webserver time lol |
| 06:35.05 | xingu | cmanns: test the tx and rx end of the flow in isolation on a back-to-back cat5 crossover |
| 06:35.12 | kevix | fstab: have you looked on wiki.debian.org for the eeepc page? |
| 06:35.17 | msshams | when i try to apt-get install cacti, apt-get crash at this line: 0% [1 dbconfig-common 0/454kB 0%] |
| 06:35.20 | msshams | help me |
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| 06:35.34 | vraa | msshams, first do "apt-get install apache mysql php5" lol |
| 06:35.37 | xingu | cmanns: ie, eliminate the switch and all infrastructure cable |
| 06:35.42 | fstab | yep but the install after all is said and done is about 800mb |
| 06:35.49 | fstab | maybe more |
| 06:35.55 | cmanns | xingu, that goes past my knowledge lol, the servers in the datacenter though and I don't have access only my buddy does. I'm trying to determine if this can be the system or the hardware. |
| 06:35.59 | fstab | let me get my paper i have it all written down |
| 06:36.02 | fstab | :) |
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| 06:36.13 | vraa | msshams, here are two links for you |
| 06:36.13 | vraa | http://www.debianadmin.com/cacti-bandwith-monitoring-tool-in-debian-etch.html |
| 06:36.17 | vraa | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cacti.htm |
| 06:36.30 | xingu | cmanns: it's not going to be at any layer beyond the NIC |
| 06:36.41 | vraa | skim over both of those and it'll give you the hard gist of what apt-get is gonna do for you |
| 06:37.12 | xingu | cmanns: this is a datalink fault - must be either brokenated mdi-ii or bad cable path |
| 06:37.17 | cmanns | It sends data slow to every server on the switch, hes tried 2 cables that worked fine on the other server and switched ports its on... I can wget at almost 100mbps no problem but I can't send out data faster than 10-15mbit/s ifconfig where it shows the errors n such goes up faster and faster, sometimes it spits errors to the terminal my bud said too. |
| 06:37.20 | jaggz- | dowkd.pl is nice to have been made. |
| 06:37.26 | vraa | so obviously, you should meet the requirements: apache, rrdtool, mysql, php, net-snmp |
| 06:37.57 | LimCore | bou, are now all users loling at linux on web forums |
| 06:38.06 | xingu | cmanns: of course it does; the only way you can arrive at rx overruns on baseT-FD is if the rx and tx pairs are electrically bridged |
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| 06:38.35 | msshams | vraa: php5 is installed from old |
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| 06:38.40 | cmanns | hmm, xingu so your saying its either the nic or something byond it like cable or swtiches? |
| 06:38.46 | xingu | cmanns: exactly. |
| 06:39.00 | vraa | msshams, sweet, and the rest? |
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| 06:39.27 | cmanns | Ok, so then if all other servers work, cables worked perfect on servers pushing out over 20mbit/s, switch works perfect. It must be the NIC? |
| 06:39.29 | fstab | okay heres what i came up with debian install 398 mb, xorg 200 mb, wdm 2mb, total computer sees using df -h 666 mb thats pretty crazy. the number 666 after haha okay forward i go. i added kde-core 221 mb. available = 660 mb not very much :( |
| 06:39.30 | LimCore | many users do not know that they have to generate new keys. |
| 06:39.34 | kevix | LimCore: Debian is open. we do not hide our errors. Users like that. Its in our social contract. |
| 06:39.34 | xingu | cmanns: if one end is baseT-HD, you can also arrive at this (baseT-HD only uses one pair for both TX and RX - if there's a config mismatch, it looks to the FD end as if the TX and RX pairs are bridged) |
| 06:39.47 | xingu | cmanns: seems likely |
| 06:39.54 | jaggz- | how do we handle upgrades on live servers? |
| 06:39.54 | asdfasd | i need to change the IP addresses on a remote machine....can I keep an old IP on eth0:2 and change the ip for eth0:1...restart networking...and still maintain my ssh session (if I login via eth0:1) |
| 06:39.58 | cmanns | Whats baseT-HD? |
| 06:40.03 | xingu | cmanns: half-duplex |
| 06:40.07 | cmanns | ah |
| 06:40.10 | asdfasd | ...sorry if i login on eth0:2 |
| 06:40.26 | jaggz- | aren't config files, like apache's config files, or something going to be overwritten? |
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| 06:40.51 | kevix | fstab: install debfoster and deborphan to remove some more. |
| 06:40.54 | cmanns | Whats also weird is when my friend tried to add a new ip eth1:1 the system just locked up... so maybe the mobo with integrated nic is bad? Under high load the server starts to act funky. |
| 06:40.57 | fstab | and thats pretty stripped. I ad kmplayer for flash plugin 227 mb less then firefox and airsnort 48 mb plus xchat 38mb i hhave nothing left |
| 06:41.57 | kevix | jaggz-: Debian default to not overwriting changed config files, it will ask you when you upgrade. |
| 06:41.59 | jaggz- | cmanns, maybe you made a conflict of IP addresses somehow |
| 06:42.14 | jaggz- | kevix, okay.. because i have an etch r1 server |
| 06:42.49 | jaggz- | I think a kernel upgrade broke the system I'm on now though |
| 06:42.52 | kevix | jaggz-: if you are unsure, make a test server and try it out. |
| 06:42.55 | xingu | cmanns: it's possible that a busted peripheral is hard locking your system; but the cause would be a bad NIC peripheral, not the other way around (again the fault is datalink and no further up the stack than the MAC end of the MDI-II) |
| 06:42.58 | fstab | kevix am i cutting it as close as possible or do you think i can do a base install of 500mb with kde xorg and the debian install? |
| 06:43.17 | cmanns | thank you xingu |
| 06:43.18 | jaggz- | it didn't setup the grub menu to link to /dev/mapper/pdc_device for my raid mirror.. so the next boot failed miserably. |
| 06:43.26 | xingu | cmanns: does the switch end show corresponding crc errors and jabber? |
| 06:43.39 | kevix | fstab: did you look at the wiki.debian.org page for eeepc? |
| 06:43.39 | fstab | i am using pclos on another computer and the kdebase is 58mb? |
| 06:43.41 | jaggz- | excellent idea! I can do it on this machine here! :) |
| 06:43.49 | fstab | yes |
| 06:43.53 | cmanns | xingu, I can ask him tomarrow |
| 06:43.56 | jaggz- | but I don't have all the stuff setup that I have setup on that machine so I'm a bit more worried about it |
| 06:43.57 | fstab | the netinstall |
| 06:44.38 | cmanns | All I know is for months stuff like css doesnt load right, images dont load sometimes, randomly the output of html pages it cut off.... then I always see these errors and I can't max the uplink at the dc like on my other servers and my buds... so it must be the errors and it seems to be getting worse |
| 06:44.42 | xingu | cmanns: sounds like your strategy is dispatch with a cheap NIC replacement and instruction to check switch stats |
| 06:44.48 | karsten | wrassles with an HPLJ4 and CUPS.... |
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| 06:45.24 | karsten | Printer keeps insisting it's busy. |
| 06:45.32 | xingu | cmanns: that would align with a failing NIC - when they go, in my experience they tend to have steadily-more-frequent transient faults until they're unusably bad and then finally dead outright |
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| 06:45.57 | cmanns | ouch, I'll move my sites tonight i guess. |
| 06:46.22 | jaggz- | cmanns, what volume are you really dealing with? |
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| 06:46.27 | jaggz- | how much bandwidth / hits? |
| 06:46.40 | cmanns | I've never understood this, how are ip's mapped? Can I move the ip from the falty server to another one without talking to my colo provider? I've never done that before lol |
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| 06:46.56 | LimCore | are there other programs, uhm... upgraded :> by debian about security is such way? |
| 06:46.59 | anom01y | for some reason I cannot unmount a sata hd even when I freshly reboot |
| 06:47.00 | jaggz- | they both go through the same switch? |
| 06:47.01 | xingu | cmanns: I'd suggest any generic NIC that has the intel eepro100-family chipset on it fwiw; avoid the realtek 100base stuff, life's too short. |
| 06:47.09 | anom01y | it says it is busy, but I have no programs using that hard drive |
| 06:47.11 | kevix | fstab: what have you tried to remove? have you done 'apt-get clean' to remove your DEB files? |
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| 06:47.22 | xingu | cmanns: yes, just add it in as an aliased interface |
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| 06:47.25 | karsten | "recoverable: Network host '192.168.1.96' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 06:47.31 | cmanns | 1-2mil requests/day jaggz- |
| 06:47.39 | fstab | oh kevix i didnt do that no |
| 06:47.41 | jaggz- | yeah.. you can update it.. BUT you MAY need to communicate with your ISP -- the reason why is because their routers can and do cache the MAC addresses as well |
| 06:47.58 | cmanns | Ahh thats it then, he has access to change the MAC address or something @ the dc |
| 06:48.07 | msshams | can you recommend me a good software for manage and control web hosting? |
| 06:48.08 | cmanns | I remember he'd tell me it took 5-10 mins for the ip to work. |
| 06:48.20 | jaggz- | is it a good idea to change the mac address? I've not done that.. |
| 06:48.20 | anom01y | anyone here help me with a simple hd problem ? |
| 06:48.39 | cmanns | xingu, ohh this mobo has a realtek nic I'm almost 100% sure, its a amd asus mobo I think they always use realtek based nic's |
| 06:48.43 | jaggz- | just the IP, and then networking wasn't working for a while... while they were poking around (just examining the routing tables or whatever) it came back up.. |
| 06:48.47 | kevix | LimCore: if you can help improve debian security, please voluneer! |
| 06:49.01 | jaggz- | I think the poking around might have encouraged the router to refresh something.. but he said no.. |
| 06:49.05 | jaggz- | so it might have just been a coinkydink |
| 06:49.39 | jaggz- | the appropriate timeout for their router's cache expiration had passed |
| 06:49.53 | karsten | anom01y: Just ask |
| 06:50.24 | kevix | cmanns: DNS information takes a while to propigate to the rest of the DNSes on the Net. |
| 06:50.39 | anom01y | karsten: well, I can't unmount a hd for some reason, it sais its busy |
| 06:50.46 | anom01y | but I just reset the computer, and nothing is accessing it |
| 06:50.59 | anom01y | plus, it takes forever to go into any directories on it |
| 06:51.00 | jaggz- | is lenny stable enough for a working server? |
| 06:51.23 | xingu | cmanns: there's nothing good about the realtek 100-base family; some of the variants almost meet minimum spec, but they're all pretty revolting |
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| 06:51.28 | cahoot | you expect continouus updates on a server? |
| 06:51.31 | xingu | cmanns: their 1000base lineup is a little better |
| 06:51.32 | sep | jaggz-, depends on where you draw the line for "enough" |
| 06:51.54 | kevix | anom01y: is it a 'network' drive? |
| 06:51.59 | sep | jaggz-, it updates packages quite frequenty |
| 06:52.01 | anom01y | karsten: no it is a sata hd |
| 06:52.07 | cmanns | xingu, I was thinking of getting a dual gigabit mobo so I wouldnt have to buy pci-x cards |
| 06:52.21 | msshams | can you recommend me a good software for manage and control web hosting that can analyze all hosts account and customers? |
| 06:52.24 | anom01y | unmount sais device busy, but there is no programs accessing it |
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| 06:52.34 | anom01y | I just finished rebooting the computer |
| 06:52.49 | markybob | jaggz-, not by debian's standards. by most others, yes |
| 06:53.07 | jaggz- | sep.. I mainly just need it to be secure.. it has apache1.3, mail (exim), and.. that's about it. |
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| 06:53.15 | kevix | anom01y: is the HD attached to the computer with IDE, sata, is it a NFS share, samba, cifs ... |
| 06:53.16 | anom01y | I just want to unmount it so I can fsck it |
| 06:53.23 | jaggz- | we're using apache1.3 for a reason (mod_gzip) |
| 06:53.24 | anom01y | kevix: sata |
| 06:53.24 | sep | jaggz-, then use stable |
| 06:53.36 | jaggz- | etch 4.0r3? |
| 06:53.40 | \amethyst | jaggz-: lenny doesn't have apache1.3 anymore, anyway |
| 06:53.43 | jaggz- | okay, thanks... |
| 06:53.43 | LimCore | kevix: how abut political change to not patch critical software, but always forward patch to upstream? |
| 06:53.46 | anom01y | its acting funny lately, ie taking forever to load anything from it |
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| 06:54.05 | anom01y | so I wanted to fsck it to make sure its all good, it should be as its a brand new 500gb sata hd |
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| 06:54.09 | jaggz- | amethyst, okay.. then I'll work on mod_deflate. years ago it was impossible to get as good of results with mod_deflate as with gzip for some reason -- and believe me, I tried really hard. |
| 06:54.12 | kevix | LimCore: the patch was vetted by upstream. |
| 06:54.17 | sep | jaggz-, yeah.. but !! make sure you do a full security upgrade after installing, BEFORE installing ssh :) |
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| 06:54.23 | LimCore | Kvant: vetted |
| 06:54.23 | LimCore | ? |
| 06:54.37 | \amethyst | kevix: sort of |
| 06:54.40 | simonrvn | @dict vetted |
| 06:54.41 | jaggz- | I just couldn't get the compression ratios up as high... and we also had a lot of incompatibility (users unable to retrieve pages for some reason) no matter what I did with mod_deflate.. |
| 06:54.43 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'vetted' (5 of 8): a doctor who practices veterinary medicine ;; examine carefully; "Someone should vet this report before it goes out" ;; See {vet} ;; provide (a person) with medical care ;; provide veterinary care for . |
| 06:54.45 | sep | and i assume new cd's will be out soonish since there is a evil bug in openssl in the r3 cd's |
| 06:54.46 | \amethyst | kevix: the replies were somewhat inconsistent |
| 06:55.05 | jaggz- | sep, well.. it's a live system.. it's running and it's colocated.. I have to do it from remote.. |
| 06:55.09 | simonrvn | #2 ^^^ |
| 06:55.09 | LimCore | openssh devels seem to say that they didnt agree to this patch... well they also did not include it in upsream |
| 06:55.11 | \amethyst | kevix: and none of them really sounded authoritative |
| 06:55.23 | anom01y | karsten: any ideas ? |
| 06:55.26 | jaggz- | but that's a really good point.. about upgrading before installing ssh.. |
| 06:55.33 | cmanns | Why not try lighttpd jaggz- |
| 06:55.56 | kevix | \amethyst: but Debian did try to get their approval and upsteam did see it. |
| 06:56.03 | jaggz- | nevertheless, how do I do that? forcefully hold back ssh, do an upgrade, dist-upgrade, then unhold ssh? |
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| 06:56.36 | kevix | LimCore: if you read planet.debian.org you can see some good opinions on the issue. |
| 06:56.38 | sep | jaggz-, if you are on remote you will need to do it over ssh :) just remove the hostkeys and dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server to generate new ones. |
| 06:56.47 | jaggz- | this is so worrisome.. I was considering going with redhat (I've been using it on our servers since redhat 7.2.. before that was slackware).. or something else.. since the new server was Dell.. :/ |
| 06:56.48 | \amethyst | kevix: 'see' and 'vet' are two different things |
| 06:56.53 | sep | and test a new login before quiging your running ssh session |
| 06:57.17 | sep | if your scared of getting locked out you can make nwe keys and moving them over the old ones. |
| 06:57.20 | jaggz- | looks a bit questioningly, but with love, at Debian... "I trusted you please don't let me down.. a lot of people are relying on you." |
| 06:57.40 | fireba11 | haha |
| 06:58.02 | sep | but i did this upgrade with dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server on 30ish remote debian servers by now, without problems so you would be unlucky if you managed to screw it up |
| 06:58.03 | LimCore | kevix: the fix is bad. |
| 06:58.17 | \amethyst | LimCore: how so? |
| 06:58.18 | jaggz- | seriously.. we provide a free service.. a lot of visitors communicate on it and don't want their email addresses stolen or worset hings... |
| 06:58.25 | kevix | jaggz-: the difference between FLOSS and closed source is that we tell you. this does not mean we make no mistakes. |
| 06:59.01 | sep | jaggz-, atlest with debian you know what you get. you think you'd know about this if it was something similar from windows ? or anything with enterprise in it ? and it was discovered internally. :) |
| 06:59.02 | jaggz- | sep, yeah.. but I might be clumsy or something .. It's happened periodically, though rarely, through the years where I've locked myself out of a remote system :/ |
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| 06:59.13 | kevix | LimCore: please find one to do a better job. I have full confidense in the current people and process. |
| 06:59.30 | sep | jaggz-, just mv away the old keys. dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server and test a new ssh right away. |
| 06:59.31 | LimCore | kevix: about SSH FAILURE: there should be package that automatically, at boot/login, tests all found DSA keys. and also does it on each use of ssh (and othe affect application). And if it detects weak key, it prints warnings/popups gui messages EXPLAINING the problem etc, each time. Otherwise many not-power-users will NOT fix it/ignore the problem. Many users think installing new openssh is enough. |
| 06:59.35 | sep | if that work rm the old keys. |
| 06:59.45 | msshams | now, i use apache2. can i apt-get remove apache apache-ssl without any problem? |
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| 06:59.54 | sep | LimCore, there is it's called blacklist something |
| 07:00.15 | LimCore | sep: does it check each time when one uses ssh client? |
| 07:00.28 | fireba11 | LimCore: fi you install the latest updates local keys will get checked and an info box displayed that they will be regenerated. no option to cancel it |
| 07:00.29 | \amethyst | LimCore: how would you check each time one uses ssh? |
| 07:00.34 | xingu | LimCore: think of it as evolution in action |
| 07:00.34 | \amethyst | LimCore: without modifying ssh, that is |
| 07:00.42 | LimCore | \amethyst: with modyfing |
| 07:00.50 | \amethyst | LimCore: but then you're diverging from upstream |
| 07:00.51 | sep | i have not checked. i dont have that many key using users |
| 07:00.56 | LimCore | fireba11: only keys in default locations |
| 07:01.04 | LimCore | I guess |
| 07:01.13 | fireba11 | LimCore: naturally. how you want to find others ? |
| 07:01.15 | kevix | LimCore: sounds like you have good idea. please help. file a bug. |
| 07:01.32 | LimCore | fireba11: add hook to each use of ssh to check the key that is about to be used |
| 07:01.42 | LimCore | kevix: ok |
| 07:01.54 | fireba11 | LimCore: that might slow things down too much though |
| 07:01.59 | \amethyst | LimCore: but there's more than that... perfectly good keys and passwords could have been compromised, too |
| 07:02.11 | LimCore | fireba11: it seems check if under a second? |
| 07:02.17 | LimCore | \amethyst: how come? |
| 07:02.19 | streuner | LimCore: before you file a bug, read <sid faq> |
| 07:02.20 | LimCore | *is |
| 07:02.22 | jaggz- | okay.. well I've not done anything on the server yet.. it's debian version 4.0 right now.. I just ran aptitude and hit U then g to take a look.. |
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| 07:02.32 | LimCore | !sid faq |
| 07:02.33 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 07:02.51 | \amethyst | LimCore: if they were transmitter over a connection encrypted with a weak key |
| 07:02.55 | \amethyst | s/mitter/mitted/ |
| 07:03.08 | jaggz- | I just tarred up my exim and apache .. and etc/ssh/ dirs |
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| 07:03.25 | LimCore | \amethyst: well correct, or a box may have been already owned using the ssh key... but about that... just display a warning to best reinstall debian from scrathc? |
| 07:03.41 | LimCore | that is actuall a big problem. many boxes may have been already compromised I guess? |
| 07:03.55 | jaggz- | were weak keys actually compromisable? |
| 07:04.00 | LimCore | in theory, all system into which admins logged using weaek ssh keys should be reinstalled? |
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| 07:04.21 | \amethyst | jaggz-: there are few enough of them to make it very easy to brute-force |
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| 07:04.45 | LimCore | boy, are now all poeple bashing entire linux world heh :/ |
| 07:04.56 | Wyzard | jaggz-: There were reportedly only about 65536 distinct keys per architecture |
| 07:05.06 | LimCore | I seen number 200.000 |
| 07:05.07 | LimCore | Wyzard: url? |
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| 07:05.16 | jaggz- | I keep my ssh port blocked except to one trusted system's IP |
| 07:05.35 | jaggz- | but that's a remote system |
| 07:05.37 | Wyzard | LimCore: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 07:05.49 | kevix | LimCore: there are millions of windows machines infected with bots. Is that great for MS? |
| 07:06.03 | \amethyst | jaggz-: the issue isn't just that someone might log in as you... that wouldn't be so bad |
| 07:06.05 | LimCore | kevix: dont use godwins law =) |
| 07:06.16 | \amethyst | jaggz-: it's that stuff you thought was private wasn't really private |
| 07:06.21 | LimCore | if you compare your os to M$ then you loose |
| 07:06.28 | Wyzard | LimCore: constant garbage (different for each arch, but the same on all machines of the same arch) combined with process ID (which is 16-bit, therefore has 65536 possible values) |
| 07:06.46 | jaggz- | that's insane.. but I'm surprised it's not more common |
| 07:06.47 | \amethyst | jaggz-: and it can't be undone now... the NSA has all your ssh traffic from the past 2 years |
| 07:06.57 | jaggz- | although, I guess 2 years of it going unnoticed kinda sucks :) |
| 07:07.19 | LimCore | Wyzard: ONLY PID + constant was used as seed? omggggggggg! |
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| 07:07.23 | jaggz- | amethyst, they'd have it regardless I'm sure. little doubt the nsa can't access our encrypted stuff with ease |
| 07:07.24 | LimCore | O____o :O |
| 07:07.39 | ribasushi | someone help my curiosity: http://pastebin.com/m3e1437e |
| 07:07.48 | jaggz- | can/can't.. whatever. :) |
| 07:07.49 | LimCore | even worst, PID is usually 0..32000 or 0..5000 if you reset computer quite often |
| 07:07.59 | ribasushi | the keys are from 2005, yet there is a moduli file that was installed after the broken openssl |
| 07:08.06 | ribasushi | what is the course of action? |
| 07:08.26 | jaggz- | upgrade regardless of course? |
| 07:08.59 | ribasushi | I am asking about regeneration not upgrades |
| 07:09.07 | ribasushi | are these keys effed or? |
| 07:09.21 | jaggz- | okay.. now which packages do I really have to upgrade right now? everything U covers, or can I just specify "openssl" and anything depending on it will naturally come along? |
| 07:09.39 | \amethyst | ribasushi: if a good key was used to connect to a bad machine, it should probably be regenerated |
| 07:09.43 | \amethyst | ribasushi: to or from |
| 07:09.47 | kevix | ribasushi: have you read this: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 07:09.55 | msshams | is the cacti package depends on php4? |
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| 07:10.32 | streuner | !depends cacti |
| 07:10.54 | dpkg | cacti: depends on apache2 | apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | httpd, dbconfig-common (>= 1.8.8), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libapache2-mod-php4 | php4 | libapache2-mod-php5 | php5, libphp-adodb (>= 4.50-1), logrotate, php4-cli | php5-cli, php4-mysql (>= 4.3.10-9) | php5-mysql, php4-snmp | php5-snmp, rrdtool, snmp, ucf, virtual-mysql-client |
| 07:11.18 | ribasushi | \amethyst: that's a good call |
| 07:11.19 | msshams | dpkg: so it isn't work with php5? |
| 07:11.20 | dpkg | msshams: i haven't a clue |
| 07:11.58 | ribasushi | \amethyst: this is a headless server with no easy physical access. Is it safe to regenerate keys while being logged in via the same ssh process? |
| 07:12.00 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 07:12.00 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 07:12.00 | LimCore | kevix: Wyzard: \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/1018778 good? |
| 07:12.20 | itomato | loves living in the future.. |
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| 07:12.41 | \amethyst | ribasushi: that's safe, but the passphrase might be sniffed |
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| 07:12.50 | LOOP` | hi |
| 07:13.09 | \amethyst | ribasushi: wait, did you already replace the host key? |
| 07:13.20 | ribasushi | \amethyst: I am asking about replacing the host keys :) |
| 07:13.30 | erlehmann | host key jokes for years to come :) |
| 07:14.02 | ribasushi | all rsa privkeys went down the drain yesterday |
| 07:14.09 | jaggz- | It is a serious lesson and now many people will be examining debian security right? |
| 07:14.23 | jim | is it just debian? |
| 07:14.31 | LimCore | jim: and derivates like ubuntu :/ |
| 07:14.40 | LimCore | will there be security teams dedicated to constantly checking security? like code reviews etc? |
| 07:14.44 | erlehmann | jim: yes. gaius baltar doesn't work for red hat. |
| 07:14.47 | jim | so it's not say redhad/fedora |
| 07:14.48 | \amethyst | LimCore: doubt it |
| 07:14.56 | LimCore | \amethyst: :/ |
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| 07:15.03 | markybob | jim, right not redhat/fedora |
| 07:15.10 | fde | wonders what the real chances of a GPG key being cracked are for regular users? |
| 07:15.11 | \amethyst | LimCore: perhaps you're looking for OpenBSD? |
| 07:15.23 | LimCore | \amethyst: yeap :/ |
| 07:15.23 | erlehmann | perhaps one should refrain from patching code one doesn't understand ? |
| 07:15.28 | ribasushi | jaggz-: more like "more people will examine the clever shit they write", blaming this on debian is moronic (I'd make the same call as the debdev) |
| 07:15.31 | itomato | lots of potentially nasty press since Ubuntu = Linux out in the lobby.. |
| 07:15.31 | markybob | LimCore, debian already has a security team. stuff happens. you get bugs and security exploits sometimes |
| 07:15.35 | LimCore | \amethyst: but then debian looses with bsd |
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| 07:15.51 | jim | erlehmann: that happens all the time |
| 07:15.57 | LimCore | markybob: how about more code reviews ; and change in policy to never patch critical tools on your own |
| 07:16.00 | ribasushi | erlehmann: perhaps one should write understandable code in the first place |
| 07:16.06 | fde | LimCore: OpenSSL and OpenSSH are part of the OpenBSD project, and thus get code review... it was a packaging issue... |
| 07:16.09 | LimCore | ribasushi: that too |
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| 07:16.22 | markybob | LimCore, every distro creates and modifies things. that's what makes them a distro |
| 07:16.37 | jim | how do you mean packaging issue? |
| 07:16.41 | LimCore | markybob: it's not like they changed the wallpaer |
| 07:16.44 | jaggz- | itomato, what's that about ubuntu? |
| 07:16.46 | fde | LimCore: It's funny that it's such an issue once it's fixed... |
| 07:16.47 | LimCore | markybob: it's not like changing the wallpaper |
| 07:16.52 | itomato | fwiw: oldest article 7 hours old: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1212956756 |
| 07:16.55 | ribasushi | LimCore: he even didn't do it on his own, it was reviewed on the (oh) openssl ml |
| 07:17.05 | LOOP` | I install debian sid on a laptop with kernel 2.6.25-2-686 it's often ok, but when finish installation and reboot machine it's start prompt and not grafical entry. I see the run level, that's setting to 2 I change to 4 but nothing has change, I also try 3-5 but nothing. Anyone can help me? |
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| 07:17.16 | erlehmann | jim: someone thought it was a good idea to patch stuff. openssl didn't object. so he did. |
| 07:17.26 | itomato | many people equate "Ubuntu" with "Linux" - especially the unwashed masses |
| 07:17.35 | markybob | LimCore, you're over simplifying. it's not like this guy did something obviously stupid. it took a long time for someone to find an exploit |
| 07:17.35 | LimCore | fde: it's not fixed, do you know you should reinstall all systems to which you logged in with weak ssh key to be really sure? |
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| 07:17.40 | ribasushi | itomato: so, let them suffer :) |
| 07:17.41 | erlehmann | a good-looking blonde woman in a red dress may have had something t do with it. |
| 07:17.44 | jim | did this get back into openssl? |
| 07:17.49 | erlehmann | jim: NEVAR |
| 07:17.56 | markybob | LimCore, it *is* fixed |
| 07:17.58 | fde | itomato: So long as my server isn't effected, who cares? Most Ubuntu uses have no idea what SSH or SSL is. |
| 07:18.02 | LimCore | markybob: im not blaiming him or saing someone was stupid, Im saying it should not happen never agin |
| 07:18.14 | jaggz- | itomato, that's weird.. esp. with all the Dell (and whoever else) support for novell's linux and redhat.. |
| 07:18.18 | markybob | LimCore, as long as people are human, it will |
| 07:18.19 | LimCore | markybob: it may be NOT fixed, untill you reinstall system to which you logged into with weak key |
| 07:18.21 | jaggz- | forgot novell's linux name |
| 07:18.32 | jaggz- | Centros or something |
| 07:18.36 | markybob | LimCore, not true. there are upgraded openssl/openssh packages |
| 07:18.39 | ribasushi | LimCore: that's pushing it :) |
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| 07:18.43 | LimCore | facepalm |
| 07:18.46 | \amethyst | markybob: that doesn't fix the problem |
| 07:19.01 | \amethyst | markybob: even if you upgrade the packages, you have to regenerate all your keys from the past two years |
| 07:19.02 | LimCore | kevix: can you tell markybob |
| 07:19.04 | fde | LimCore: It only effects idiots anyways... if your passphrase was secure enough, your key is safe. |
| 07:19.05 | markybob | \amethyst, you dont have to reinstall. upgrade the packages and regen. big deal |
| 07:19.07 | \amethyst | markybob: and potentially a lot of other keys too |
| 07:19.11 | LimCore | you see? even users here do not understand |
| 07:19.13 | LimCore | fde: WRONG. |
| 07:19.14 | \amethyst | markybob: What about SSL keys? |
| 07:19.17 | erlehmann | i have sshd disabled all the time until one needs access. when the advisory was published, i smiled. |
| 07:19.17 | LimCore | you see? even users here do not understand. |
| 07:19.23 | jaggz- | I don't mind ubuntu though.. I still have it on my laptop from 3 years ago.. and it doesn't have weak keys ;) |
| 07:19.23 | \amethyst | markybob: the kind that you have to pay to get signed? |
| 07:19.30 | Wyzard | markybob: The idea is that if you've logged into a machine with a weak key, someone could've used it to access your account, log into your box as you, and install a backdoor |
| 07:19.42 | erlehmann | DRAMA |
| 07:19.44 | LimCore | ok who is debian developer here? we REALLY need to educate users that installing the upgrade does ***NOT*** fix the problem. |
| 07:19.54 | jim | erlehmann: dramamine? |
| 07:19.56 | fde | LimCore: I read a lot of info on the matter.... it's fixed for me... and never effected me, and my passphrase wasn't that complex... |
| 07:19.58 | markybob | Wyzard, yes, i'm not saying you shouldnt check your logs or that you shouldnt have been monitoring your logs all along |
| 07:20.11 | erlehmann | LimCore: on ubantu, it at least pretends to re-generate keys, AMIRITE ? |
| 07:20.12 | sep | LimCore, something like this WILL happen again. it's inevitable but with debian you know about it :) |
| 07:20.25 | jaggz- | This situation is a Drama mine, yes. |
| 07:20.29 | LimCore | fde: if you looged into boxes uwing weak dsa, they may be already owned and with rootkit by now |
| 07:20.41 | jaggz- | It is the solution to the nausea of the actual problem before it was known. |
| 07:20.44 | adama | where is the MD5SUM for debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso on the website |
| 07:20.46 | fde | LimCore: Oh well |
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| 07:20.49 | kevix | LOOP`: the runlevels on debian are not like Redhat. Runlevel 2 to 5 are the same. you need to install a display manager and window manager or gnome or kde. |
| 07:20.51 | itomato | yes - pure drama. The actual points - both the incident and the remedy will escape most people. |
| 07:20.52 | cahoot | LimCore: you work at a tabloid? |
| 07:21.01 | fde | LimCore: My box is secure, and safe. |
| 07:21.03 | LimCore | erlehmann: regenerating keys on CLIENT do not fix the problem on SERVERS which you told to use your weak keys. neither it uninstalls rootkits if any got already owned |
| 07:21.16 | fde | LimCore: I don't administer their box, so I don't need to worry about it. |
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| 07:21.54 | jim | LimCore: you regen the keys and replace them with good ones... end of story |
| 07:21.59 | LimCore | attacker could logged into your own box by guessing your ssh key and root kit it |
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| 07:22.05 | erlehmann | LimCore: yeah, but those who think it's fixed usually don't care about SERVERS |
| 07:22.23 | fde | LimCore: Not if you acted appropriately it couldn't. |
| 07:22.35 | LimCore | fde: are you sure? how come? |
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| 07:22.47 | adama | where is the MD5SUM for debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso on the website? |
| 07:22.58 | fde | LimCore: There are docs everywhere on the matter... read some instead of spewing crap in here please. |
| 07:23.08 | LimCore | adama: SUMS or CHECKSUMS file on the server in same dir usually |
| 07:23.10 | kevix | adama: it should be in the same directory. |
| 07:23.22 | Wyzard | fde: LimCore is correct |
| 07:23.23 | LimCore | kevix: am I correct here or is fde? |
| 07:23.27 | LimCore | thanks Wyzard |
| 07:23.34 | adama | I can't find the directory, it's 4.0r1 |
| 07:23.36 | kevix | adama: look for a file that ends in md5 |
| 07:23.43 | LOOP` | kevix: thanks for answer, I use runlevel on my slackware. The strange matter is if I do startx gnome start, but effectly if I do /etc/init.d/gdm start bash respond that's is not exist. I must install gnome and xserver-xorg? |
| 07:23.45 | adama | (little bit older release) |
| 07:23.45 | jim | LimCore: you do seem somewhat charged up about this... |
| 07:24.18 | kevix | LOOP`: you can use 'tasksel' to make it easier. |
| 07:24.20 | LimCore | jim: ok I will just go smoke some weed and install vista on all boxes, who cares about security anyway |
| 07:24.32 | fde | Wyzard: Sure, but it's not difficult to secure such machines again, and check whether they are secured... so nothing to worry about once you've taken those measures. |
| 07:24.42 | jim | as I said, you seem charged up |
| 07:24.45 | sep | jim, good thing he dont run windows he'd die every patch tuesday :) |
| 07:24.57 | Wyzard | fde: The concern is that the weak keys may have been exploited already, and machines may have been attacked, rooted, whatever as a result |
| 07:25.00 | jim | O |
| 07:25.03 | jim | err |
| 07:25.04 | LOOP` | thanks kevix |
| 07:25.04 | Wyzard | fde: Upgrading openssl and regenerating keys now doesn't fix that |
| 07:25.06 | LOOP` | now I try |
| 07:25.12 | sep | Wyzard, that's _allways_ a danger |
| 07:25.17 | jaggz- | how can someone sniff my traffic between home and colo facility? |
| 07:25.19 | nevyn | Wyzard: that's always a danger. |
| 07:25.21 | markybob | i'm sorry, but i dont know of a single admin who's been using dsa keys. not one |
| 07:25.32 | markybob | it's not 1995 |
| 07:25.32 | LimCore | fde: removing rootkit from a machine is much harder then reinstalling. Every responsible person just reinstalls when he thinks server may have been compromised. |
| 07:25.38 | sep | and if your not allways caring about that. it's going to bite you in the end no matter what |
| 07:25.48 | nevyn | markybob: dsa > rsa |
| 07:26.00 | markybob | nevyn, are you on drugs? |
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| 07:26.10 | \amethyst | nevyn: why's that? |
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| 07:26.11 | sep | jaggz-, assume a script kiddie owns your isp's routers :) |
| 07:26.14 | LimCore | markybob: do you have any idea what are you talking about or just rambing nonsense? DSA is as good as RSA (if not better) |
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| 07:26.35 | LimCore | sep: thats why peoople invented ssh. |
| 07:26.39 | jim | I'm not saying that's good or bad... but it's sometimes indicative of noncredibility |
| 07:26.43 | jaggz- | can I just force-reinstall all libs? |
| 07:26.43 | jyzhang | hey guys, ive installed a debian desktop but usb drives aren't automounting. the error was it couldn't find pmount, in tasksel i selelcted desktop environment. there some packages i'm missing? |
| 07:26.52 | Wyzard | DSA was preferred when RSA was patented, but RSA seems to be preferred over DSA these days because it's faster |
| 07:26.58 | nevyn | markybob: I retract the previous statement |
| 07:26.58 | fde | Wyzard: Sure... but anyone that has important data should have backups and reinstall and regenerate SSH/GPG keys... most people it effects probably don't have servers.... it was weak key generation in some cases, those knowledgeable likely aren't afflicted because they took measures from the start. |
| 07:26.59 | markybob | LimCore, sure, i'm an idiot. i really dont give a damn what you think, you're just wrong |
| 07:27.02 | Wyzard | their strength being considered more or less equal afaik |
| 07:27.10 | jaggz- | hmm |
| 07:27.37 | kevix | jyzhang: apt-get install pmount ? |
| 07:27.37 | jaggz- | ... Black Eyed Peas rings in his head... "no no drama.. we don't want no drama... no no drama" |
| 07:27.39 | LimCore | markybob: why yo usay dsa is "for the 1995's", its fine to use nowdays |
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| 07:27.59 | jyzhang | i did that |
| 07:28.17 | fde | LimCore: Talk about this on debian-security mailing list or something please... |
| 07:28.17 | jyzhang | am installing usbmoutn |
| 07:28.18 | kevix | !ivmount |
| 07:28.21 | Wyzard | fde: Even if you have backups, reinstalling all your machines is a pretty big task |
| 07:28.23 | sep | LimCore, hahaha ssh is not the silver bullet for avoiding rootkits :) it helps a lot over clear text passwords and telnet. |
| 07:28.38 | markybob | LimCore, dsa was proposed as a standard in 1991. that's why |
| 07:28.43 | jim | LimCore: while it may not actually be, your chargyness looks like trolling |
| 07:28.44 | LimCore | sep: yes it is not. and? |
| 07:28.50 | kevix | !info ivmount |
| 07:29.05 | fde | Wyzard: Depends really... but all you have to do is reinstall the keyserver, and regenerate public keys for client machines... |
| 07:29.07 | \amethyst | markybob: to be fair, RSA is much older than that |
| 07:29.11 | jaggz- | we need a "secure apt-system" for these purposes.. one which pays attention to what's going on on the system, reinstalling all packages and checking processes for what they do etc. |
| 07:29.13 | \amethyst | markybob: RSA is from the 70s |
| 07:29.29 | sep | LimCore, then you must reinstall EVERY linux ssh running host in the world since the last openssl update did patch security holes that came from upstream as well. yes i know the the key one is the most annoying since you must recreate them. |
| 07:29.31 | LimCore | markybob: and RSA was in 1977 so what? |
| 07:29.36 | jaggz- | we can call it.. uptight-apt |
| 07:29.37 | \amethyst | jaggz-: checking processes for what they do? |
| 07:29.44 | fde | fde: With the caveat that you check for rootkits of course. |
| 07:30.00 | jaggz- | amethyst, laymans term for the idealistic monitoring of process communications, reads, writes, etc? |
| 07:30.00 | fde | fde: With the caveat that you check for rootkits of course. Wyzard^^ |
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| 07:30.10 | markybob | LimCore, it's a shame that dsa was affected and not rsa, or else you might be right |
| 07:30.24 | \amethyst | jaggz-: oh, you want to bring the wonderful performance benefits of antivirus software to Linux |
| 07:30.28 | jaggz- | the real worry is not ordinary packaged rootkits that you might find.. but insidious high level hacking |
| 07:30.32 | LimCore | markybob: what? |
| 07:30.38 | jaggz- | amethyst, oh.. no. |
| 07:30.39 | Wyzard | markybob: What do you mean RSA wasn't affected? |
| 07:30.55 | jaggz- | just for the update process when there's a potential rooted system. |
| 07:31.02 | pinto3 | what about a mtree like program that'll md5sum all the files from a livecd and compare the results against what they're supposed to be, listing all files that are additional or modified, and fetching the modified files versions from a mirror to list the differences |
| 07:31.04 | Wyzard | markybob: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys says "all key types that were generated using openssl (this includes RSA and DSA keys)" |
| 07:31.10 | pinto3 | that might be a decent rootkit remover |
| 07:31.28 | jaggz- | there should be a way to reinstall all existing software.. but without it getting re-infected |
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| 07:31.44 | sep | pinto3, what if the hacker installed a vm and your os as you think of it is now a virtual host runnning on the owned machine in a vm instance ? :) |
| 07:31.51 | jaggz- | lol |
| 07:31.54 | jaggz- | yeah.. srsly |
| 07:32.08 | neiljp | can anyone recommend the man-page that documents the lines in /etc/network/interfaces that refer to dns-search and dns-nameservers? (man interfaces doesn't seem to?) |
| 07:32.10 | pinto3 | take it into consideration and test it too |
| 07:32.10 | sep | there have been prrof of concept of such so it's not unthinkable :) |
| 07:32.14 | itomato | if it's remote - it's feasible |
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| 07:32.18 | pinto3 | flash your bios |
| 07:32.27 | \amethyst | Wyzard: AIUI the "if you connected to a machine with a bad host key, your good private key is compromised" thing is because of details of DSA |
| 07:32.31 | itomato | that's what a honeypot is, in a way |
| 07:32.31 | sep | pinto3, how do you test that ? :) how do you know your not in the matrix :) |
| 07:32.49 | Wyzard | oh, I see what you mean |
| 07:32.55 | ribasushi | if I need a telnet server on a machine, which package should I use? inetutils-telnetd or telnetd? |
| 07:33.02 | Wyzard | That's true, but only one facet of the problem |
| 07:33.17 | jaggz- | honeypot.. honeypot.. |
| 07:33.25 | itomato | if it's telnet, does it really matter? |
| 07:33.30 | jaggz- | a support tech for one company the other weak mentioned honeypot... |
| 07:33.46 | cwillu | \amethyst, is that right? I thought it was merely dsa keys that were transferred to and used on a poor implementation that had the weakness (otherwise, connecting to _any_ server could be a vulnerability to that key, as that server could maliciously choose predictable nonces |
| 07:33.48 | jim | ribasushi: probably either... but you are aware of telnet's nonsecure problems? |
| 07:33.56 | itomato | jaggz-: basically its cracker bait |
| 07:34.04 | ribasushi | jim: yes, that's why stuff happens over an openssl tunnel |
| 07:34.14 | ribasushi | jim: *openvpn |
| 07:34.15 | cwillu | ribasushi, sounds like ssh :/ |
| 07:34.17 | LOOP` | I do not revolve my problem because gnome result installed at the moment of installation I selected to install desktop enviroment, print server, laptop utility. When I do tasksel, I do not have anyone to install. What I can do to resolve? |
| 07:34.28 | sep | ribasushi, either one will do. compare them and find one you like, |
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| 07:34.48 | ribasushi | cwillu: except I need to reinstall ssh from scratch, something doesn't seem right :) |
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| 07:35.02 | jaggz- | "I've only used telnet so the key problem doesn't affect me." |
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| 07:35.22 | cwillu | jaggz-, is that re: ribasushi ? |
| 07:35.28 | jaggz- | that's right on target for this part of the conversation right? |
| 07:35.41 | x1250 | is there any list of permitted/forbidden characters for linux usernames? |
| 07:35.41 | nevyn | I unretract my retratction after more research dsa > rsa |
| 07:35.43 | jaggz- | cwillu, no.. just trying to be funny. it has nothing to do with anyone. |
| 07:35.57 | jaggz- | nevyn, greater than, or within? :) |
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| 07:36.24 | jim | nevyn: what was the orignal statement? |
| 07:36.36 | jaggz- | Be? |
| 07:36.39 | itomato | x2150: yes, but adduser/useradd should be smart enough not to let you make a mistake. There are reserved usernames - 'cat /etc/passwd' |
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| 07:37.01 | jaggz- | utf8 usernames are allowed? |
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| 07:37.37 | x1250 | itomato: I'm not using adduser, but trying to read valid usernames from a config file |
| 07:37.59 | sep | x1250, the posix spec i belive |
| 07:37.59 | kevix | neiljp: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 07:38.00 | LOOP` | kevix have you another idea? |
| 07:38.11 | itomato | x1250: are you creating them via /etc/passwd? |
| 07:38.46 | x1250 | someMixedList = username1,1000,0,kate,john,thisMust_B/eWron#!g |
| 07:39.10 | kevix | LOOP`: you installed gnome, gdm, xserver-org? and /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 07:39.17 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:39.26 | itomato | There's best practice, but apparently POSIX has nothing to say: (good call though) http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0309/msg00380.html |
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| 07:39.37 | LOOP` | it's result installed |
| 07:39.41 | LOOP` | now try to install |
| 07:39.44 | LOOP` | manually |
| 07:39.45 | LOOP` | wait |
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| 07:39.53 | x1250 | itomato: thanks |
| 07:39.59 | jaggz- | Setting up libssl0.9.7 (0.9.7k-3.1etch1) ... |
| 07:39.59 | jaggz- | E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-5-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6_i386.deb: Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 07:40.10 | jaggz- | goes a bit wide-eyed |
| 07:40.27 | enouf | simonrvn: i was thanking you, you b0z0 ;-) |
| 07:40.44 | simonrvn | enouf: np |
| 07:41.06 | enouf | :=p |
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| 07:42.18 | vvo | is there any tools to probe and get a ip from a network without dhcp server ? |
| 07:42.32 | cwillu | vvo, avahi? |
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| 07:43.13 | itomato | vvo: it depends on the dhcp server, and whether the backside will allow non-assigned addresses on the network. |
| 07:43.18 | cwillu | vvo, in general, it's not safe to just pick an address from a space that's not actually dedicated to it |
| 07:43.44 | cwillu | vvo, aka, picking an ip address yourself when connecting to somebody elses network can break stuff on their network |
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| 07:44.15 | itomato | you could scan a range, ping addresses, and attempt to assign one to yourself, but be careful where you do it. |
| 07:44.27 | jaggz- | did anyone see that error I pasted? |
| 07:44.41 | itomato | jaggz- yes - i was looking.. |
| 07:44.45 | vvo | i see. thx. |
| 07:44.48 | itomato | etch6 isn;t there |
| 07:45.19 | itomato | not -5_686 (non-all) anyway.. |
| 07:45.27 | itomato | (that I can see) |
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| 07:45.54 | jaggz- | I re-ran aptitude upgrade and it got Setting up linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch6) ... |
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| 07:46.26 | jaggz- | hm |
| 07:46.32 | jaggz- | also it's stressing I need to reboot soon :/ |
| 07:46.38 | itomato | jaggz- could be server hiccups judging by your '104' error |
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| 07:47.20 | jaggz- | are we sure init.d/ssh restart won't kill my current connection? |
| 07:47.32 | insaneinside | jaggz-: it wont |
| 07:47.33 | jaggz- | nervously shakes his legs |
| 07:47.37 | insaneinside | just did it myself |
| 07:47.46 | insaneinside | i promise |
| 07:47.52 | jaggz- | wife calling me away from computer too.. why would destiny have this!? |
| 07:47.53 | jaggz- | heh.. afk |
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| 07:48.04 | jaggz- | thanks for the support all.. you're helpful to everyone in this situation right now.. |
| 07:48.09 | itomato | OT: has anyone had luck running/installing KDE4? |
| 07:48.21 | insaneinside | very OT |
| 07:48.30 | vraa | i've heard that it's suggested to wait until 4.1 |
| 07:48.37 | vraa | or 4.2, one of those |
| 07:48.48 | vraa | that's when it'll reach feature parity |
| 07:48.53 | itomato | checks chan list for appropriate channel.. |
| 07:48.55 | vraa | with 3.5 that is |
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| 07:49.10 | simonrvn | #debian-kde still "lives" on this network IIRC |
| 07:49.19 | jim | is feature parity odd or even? |
| 07:49.34 | simonrvn | neutral |
| 07:50.04 | insaneinside | itomato: won't touch KDE myself; GNOME even pushes it sometimes, like when gnome-panel uses 50M (sometimes 100M) of memory... |
| 07:50.13 | \amethyst | jim: it's actually a misnomer, it's really a Reed-Solomon code, not parity |
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| 07:50.36 | vraa | i've got a directory on a debian machine at work, which i'd like here, should i do sftp or scp? |
| 07:50.46 | itomato | yeah, I'm a wmaker man.. |
| 07:50.49 | insaneinside | vraa: sshfs! |
| 07:50.53 | \amethyst | vraa: either, or rsync |
| 07:51.09 | vraa | i read through rsync, it's a little difficult, i dont know if i'm at that level yet |
| 07:51.12 | simonrvn | insaneinside: for sure. not enough garbage collecting inside for one thing. |
| 07:51.17 | itomato | vraa: rsync if it's something you want to keep syncronized |
| 07:51.33 | vraa | nah i dont need it synced right now, because i might be making changes on my side |
| 07:51.40 | vraa | lemme google sshfs |
| 07:51.41 | itomato | rsync is no more complex (syntactically) than scp |
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| 07:51.50 | \amethyst | vraa: rsync -r user@host:/remotedirectory localdirectory |
| 07:51.54 | insaneinside | vraa: sshfs if you want to manipulate the remote files |
| 07:51.58 | \amethyst | vraa: or scp -r user@host:/remotedirectory localdirectory |
| 07:52.03 | simonrvn | kde 4 tops it in tersm of resource hogging</OT> |
| 07:52.07 | vraa | i'll just use scp |
| 07:52.13 | vraa | oh that's it? |
| 07:52.20 | vraa | i thought i had to do -R somewhere? |
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| 07:52.45 | phineas | hi |
| 07:52.50 | \amethyst | vraa: no, it's -r . Also you might want -p to preserve timestamps and permissions |
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| 07:53.06 | phineas | anyone know how i can show the tux image on boot ? |
| 07:53.25 | \amethyst | vraa: (-p for scp, -a for rsync) |
| 07:53.41 | simonrvn | phineas: you enable it via the logo setting in the kernel config |
| 07:53.46 | itomato | rsync would be 'rsync -a user@host:/remotedirectory localdirectory' - the '-a' combines like 6 of the common options for attribute preservation. |
| 07:53.58 | vraa | okay, i have a follow up question then |
| 07:53.59 | \amethyst | or rsync -aHAX |
| 07:54.01 | insaneinside | phineas: it's somewhere in the kernel configuration... why not go with something a la bootsplash? |
| 07:54.08 | simonrvn | # CONFIG_LOGO is not set |
| 07:54.09 | \amethyst | that preserves pretty much everything that it can |
| 07:54.18 | vraa | the account i have, doesn't have permissions to access the webservers files. i always "sudo -s" to mess with the files |
| 07:54.19 | itomato | phineas: framebuffer support has to be enabled |
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| 07:54.23 | vraa | they are owned however by www-data |
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| 07:54.40 | insaneinside | vraa: what hosting service? |
| 07:54.41 | vraa | if i do the scp command given above, it says permission denied because i dont have a chance to sudo -s first |
| 07:54.49 | vraa | just me |
| 07:54.54 | \amethyst | vraa: then you can tar and untar |
| 07:54.56 | vraa | i setup a computer at work |
| 07:54.59 | insaneinside | ah |
| 07:55.07 | itomato | add yourself to the www-data group |
| 07:55.10 | vraa | it's actually a vm |
| 07:55.21 | phineas | thanks a lot for the info... |
| 07:55.50 | jaggz- | no -X in this.. |
| 07:56.10 | jaggz- | what's rsync's -X? |
| 07:56.19 | itomato | rtfm :) |
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| 07:56.33 | jaggz- | I did.. that's why I said there's no -X in this.. not in manpage nor --help |
| 07:57.10 | itomato | i thought you were looking for a comparable option to '-X' from scp.. my mistake |
| 07:57.37 | \amethyst | jaggz-: extended attrs |
| 07:57.43 | jaggz- | you've been too cool for me to be offended or anything |
| 07:57.44 | \amethyst | jaggz-: -A is ACLs |
| 07:57.48 | insaneinside | hey, anybody know how to set a machine that's currently mixed stable/testing to prefer security updates when they exist (even if version < testing), otherwise testing? |
| 07:58.03 | insaneinside | i've got a certain reason... ;) |
| 07:58.04 | itomato | apt-pinning |
| 07:58.12 | kgod | Feh. Still trying to configure my printer (hplj4). Using HP_LaserJet_4.ppd. lpd access (also tried socket host:9100), CUPS keeps saying "Network host <ip> is busy". |
| 07:58.14 | simonrvn | magical and arcane pinning |
| 07:58.22 | \amethyst | jaggz-: ah, I guess it's new, -X isn't in etch's rsync |
| 07:58.26 | jaggz- | ahhh |
| 07:58.29 | jaggz- | was thinking that.. |
| 07:58.29 | itomato | magical and arcane for certain |
| 07:59.01 | jaggz- | insane, sounds like a reasonable thing |
| 07:59.03 | itomato | although, i think security updates are easier to handle |
| 07:59.06 | insaneinside | i'd rather have the preference be automatic if possible, and not have to specify versions or even specific packages.. |
| 07:59.16 | itomato | they always come 'off the top' so to speak, iirc |
| 07:59.33 | insaneinside | itomato: doesn't happen for me. :( |
| 07:59.36 | simonrvn | the trick is the priority setting, as that overrides the defaults if defined |
| 07:59.42 | kgod | Host *is* pinnable. But no ports appear active when scanned. |
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| 07:59.58 | kgod | erm, pinGable. |
| 08:00.07 | itomato | firewalled - ucmp blocked |
| 08:00.12 | simonrvn | kgod: =) |
| 08:00.20 | vraa | oh sweet scp works! thanks guys! |
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| 08:00.49 | simonrvn | kgod: what printer is it again? |
| 08:01.11 | kgod | simonrvn: HP laserjet 4m |
| 08:01.19 | kgod | simonrvn: Ancient, but usually trustworthy. |
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| 08:01.28 | insaneinside | apt-cache policy openssh-server shows testing/main with score 500, same as stable/updates/main (what ought to take precedence) and stable/main. |
| 08:01.30 | kgod | I thought it had a telnet port, but I don't seem to find one. |
| 08:01.36 | simonrvn | tried the gimp/gutenprint stuff? |
| 08:01.48 | itomato | kgod: do you have access to a printout of the config? |
| 08:01.58 | daya | hi all |
| 08:02.10 | vraa | what is the best file manager? |
| 08:02.11 | insaneinside | kgod: apt-get install nmap; nmap HOST |
| 08:02.17 | insaneinside | vraa: bash. |
| 08:02.19 | daya | apache server is not reading index.html , it shows it as blank |
| 08:02.19 | daya | is there is any way to solve i, |
| 08:02.21 | daya | it |
| 08:02.27 | vraa | lol other than bash |
| 08:02.35 | simonrvn | i've had good luck with those. was able to use a deskwriter from 1925 (j/k about the year) |
| 08:02.35 | itomato | filerunner |
| 08:02.49 | simonrvn | without magicfilter crappage |
| 08:03.08 | cahoot | itomato: hear hear |
| 08:03.11 | itomato | filerunner will let you do ftp |
| 08:03.23 | simonrvn | insaneinside: he knows how to use nmap ;). |
| 08:03.28 | kgod | insaneinside: I've already nmapped it. |
| 08:03.38 | kgod | insaneinside: It is IDd as an HP printer, but no ports are open. |
| 08:03.42 | itomato | 'gentoo' - the filemanager not the distro lets you create custom button/functions |
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| 08:03.49 | insaneinside | hmmm |
| 08:03.53 | kgod | itomato: Yes. SELF TEST output. |
| 08:03.56 | kevix | vraa: somefolks like 'mc' |
| 08:04.07 | simonrvn | mc++ |
| 08:04.17 | vraa | thanks, ill try mc++ and filerunner out right now |
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| 08:04.25 | insaneinside | kgod: a sledgehammer might get you in... |
| 08:04.29 | vraa | i dont need ftp. i heard running an ftpd is a security risk |
| 08:04.32 | simonrvn | i like mc so much i built it on my partner's imac using ports |
| 08:04.42 | simonrvn | no, i was adding good karma, it's not called mc++ |
| 08:05.01 | insaneinside | vraa: the more ports you leave open, the more likely you are to get pwnd |
| 08:05.05 | moshii | vraa: ftp sends everything in plaintext |
| 08:05.07 | markybob | vraa, in that case, kernel.org, gnome.org, etc are all vulnerable |
| 08:05.08 | itomato | kgod: if you can't telnet something's up. |
| 08:05.16 | insaneinside | vraa: better to use ftpd-ssl. |
| 08:05.38 | insaneinside | if you need ftpd, that is |
| 08:05.40 | moshii | vraa: the servers aren't "insecure" because of coding or something ;) |
| 08:05.49 | vraa | oh okay, mc, not mc++ |
| 08:05.52 | simonrvn | better to use scp/ssh/webdav |
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| 08:05.59 | moshii | insaneinside: open ports with stuff listening... |
| 08:06.02 | vraa | well, i thought it was better to use ssh rather than ftp (or ftp-ssl) |
| 08:06.11 | itomato | kgod: dumb question, but I came in late - have you just added it through cups or gnome-print-manager or similar? |
| 08:06.12 | vraa | or scp, or something like that |
| 08:06.17 | markybob | vraa, like most things, it depends on the use |
| 08:06.24 | kgod | itomato: cups |
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| 08:06.35 | moshii | vraa: its best if your passwords arent sent as plain text over untrusted networks, thats all |
| 08:06.39 | simonrvn | even using webdav and htdigest with no ssl is better than ftp... |
| 08:06.43 | kgod | insaneinside: The case opens nicely w/o tools, mthanks. |
| 08:06.51 | itomato | kgod: do you get anyting from cups logs? |
| 08:06.51 | insaneinside | kgod: kk. :D |
| 08:06.52 | kgod | itomato: Yeah, that's my read. |
| 08:07.19 | moshii | vraa: you could tunnel ftp over ssh and it would be fairly secure |
| 08:07.31 | kgod | itomato: Not sure. Any logs in particular? |
| 08:07.34 | vraa | but isn't the point moot? if scp exists? |
| 08:07.37 | simonrvn | um, no |
| 08:07.44 | markybob | vraa, not even close |
| 08:07.48 | moshii | vraa: well, trying to show a point |
| 08:07.49 | vraa | what does ftp do which scp doesn't? |
| 08:07.54 | simonrvn | ftp uses 2 ports in active mode |
| 08:08.24 | kgod | itomato: "Unauthorized" for a bunch of mods to the printer prior to my authenticating, otherwise, no. |
| 08:08.30 | moshii | vraa: for anonymous sites an such ftp is fine. |
| 08:08.39 | moshii | vraa: *and such |
| 08:08.43 | markybob | exactly |
| 08:08.46 | vraa | ah i understand |
| 08:08.54 | LOOP` | thanks a lot kevix I resolved |
| 08:09.04 | kevix | LOOP`: kewl |
| 08:09.11 | simonrvn | ftp should be reserved for anon stuff, yes |
| 08:09.41 | LimCore | kevix: I reported this as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/230632 it would be very nice if power users like you could give some insights :) and later we can make it a debian bug as well |
| 08:09.46 | simonrvn | kgod: i assume you tried a cold reboot of the thing? |
| 08:09.54 | kgod | itomato: Printer's been sitting idle for a few years. |
| 08:09.55 | itomato | kgod: 'tail-f /var/log/cups/error_log' and print something.. |
| 08:09.57 | kgod | simonrvn: Yes. |
| 08:10.05 | simonrvn | s,reboot,boot, |
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| 08:10.19 | itomato | kgod: oh - in that case, give it a brain-wipe |
| 08:10.27 | itomato | and reconfigure |
| 08:10.33 | kgod | itomato: brain-wipe? |
| 08:10.43 | simonrvn | yeh, i was starting to think along those lines too |
| 08:10.46 | itomato | hard-reset the print server |
| 08:10.57 | cahoot | ECT |
| 08:11.04 | insaneinside | kgod: trepan it! ;) |
| 08:11.06 | itomato | if any printer is easy to get going, it's one of those jet-direct enabled lasers. |
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| 08:11.08 | kevix | LimCore: you do know Ubuntu gets its core packages from Debian? |
| 08:11.19 | simonrvn | zap whatever nvram it has |
| 08:11.54 | kgod | itomato: Yeah, that's why I bought the damned thing. |
| 08:12.02 | LimCore | kevix: yes, I reported there first as I have account there more at hand |
| 08:12.03 | kgod | itomato: hard-reset what? cups? |
| 08:12.18 | kgod | itomato: ... or the box cups is running on? That'd by my workstation here. |
| 08:12.18 | moshii | hmm the kde wallet is gpg isn't it? not openssl.. |
| 08:12.39 | fde | moshii: yes |
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| 08:13.01 | moshii | thats good then. one less thing to replace |
| 08:13.06 | itomato | kgod: http://www.coldreset.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1535 |
| 08:14.00 | itomato | you'll have to reconfigure it once it comes back online, but you'll know how it's configured. |
| 08:14.17 | itomato | it might be looking to talk Netware (IPX) or something.. |
| 08:15.44 | itomato | laters.. |
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| 08:15.47 | LimCore | moshii: good guestion, I cand research that.. tell me if you know |
| 08:16.07 | LimCore | fde: do you have url to documentation on kweallet internal encryption? |
| 08:16.56 | moshii | LimCore: just check what libs its linked against |
| 08:16.59 | kgod | reads. |
| 08:17.58 | fde | LimCore: No, but it does... |
| 08:18.09 | kgod | OK, trying to configure the printer from another box. |
| 08:18.10 | kgod | Same issue. |
| 08:18.14 | kgod | tries the cold reset. |
| 08:18.17 | fde | LimCore: Maybe ask #kde or #kde-devel for such docs |
| 08:19.01 | kgod | OK, one cold reset printer... |
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| 08:19.09 | fde | Someone should create #debian-security or something *cough* |
| 08:19.26 | moshii | fde: DSA list is enough |
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| 08:20.33 | insaneinside | egad, aptitude's dependency resolver is dead set on keeping libssl0.9.8 at 0.9.8g-10, which /doesn't/ have the security update! i'll just manually downgrade the appropriate packages... |
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| 08:21.40 | enouf | fde: erm .. over there --> |
| 08:21.43 | insaneinside | ...all 30 of them... |
| 08:21.55 | fde | enouf: ? |
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| 08:22.08 | enouf | fde: oftc.net |
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| 08:23.02 | fde | enouf: I just want them to stop taking over this channel... been going for 5 hours or more |
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| 08:23.43 | enouf | fde: heh, 5 hours? ..been a lot longer than that |
| 08:24.00 | neiljp | wonders who sent him a message, since its now disappeared off the top of his screen [sigh] |
| 08:24.14 | kgod | Hey, that's got it. Telnet and 9100 open. |
| 08:24.15 | fde | enouf: It's annoying, there are docs available for how to fix issues, there are many people working on the issue... why talk about it on IRC too? |
| 08:24.49 | enouf | so, i do $ ldd `which kwalletmanager` .. wtf am i grepping for? obviously there's no ssl there - but what is the engine? not tcl |
| 08:25.00 | fde | At least... in an undedicated channel.... |
| 08:25.07 | simonrvn | neiljp: /lastlog yournick |
| 08:25.19 | simonrvn | (or anything else for that matter...) |
| 08:25.47 | LimCore | lol: "I'm secure from this SSH problem - I always used telnet" |
| 08:25.50 | simonrvn | kgod: woot |
| 08:25.53 | moshii | enouf: yeah, noticed that too :/ |
| 08:25.58 | jelly-home | insaneinside: timely security updates are not to be expected when running testing or unstable |
| 08:26.22 | moshii | enouf: the crypto part is probably hidden in one of the kde libs |
| 08:26.42 | neiljp | simonrvn: ta, but doesn't give anything interesting :| |
| 08:26.54 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 08:28.06 | insaneinside | jelly-home: but then, timely releases are not to be expected when running stable. ah well, this is a production-ish box (personal server), time to make it look like one. |
| 08:29.21 | moshii | personal server == production? :/ |
| 08:29.40 | jelly-home | moshii: he produces. |
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| 08:29.47 | insaneinside | well, not really production |
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| 08:30.21 | insaneinside | but i'm being yelled at by a close friend who regularly SSHs in... |
| 08:30.46 | moshii | grow some balls and tell him to shuddup |
| 08:30.51 | moshii | hehehe |
| 08:30.59 | insaneinside | i could |
| 08:31.19 | g00se | Maybe this is a FAQ(?) Why have openssh-client and openssh-server been 'kept back' for me in etch? I closed down ssh so it could be update |
| 08:31.28 | insaneinside | but when he's informing me that my host key is weak, i consider it a favor... |
| 08:31.49 | jelly-home | !tell g00se about sslkeys |
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| 08:31.58 | moshii | the updated packages will tell you that for free |
| 08:32.13 | jelly-home | g00se: you'll have to install openssh-server explicitely |
| 08:32.16 | moshii | they'll even regenerate the keys.. |
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| 08:32.28 | g00se | You mean the bit about key regeneration? |
| 08:32.32 | kgod | simonrvn: w007 indeed! |
| 08:32.53 | jelly-home | the updated packages won't be updated without a dist-upgrade or an explicit installation |
| 08:33.28 | insaneinside | jelly-home: you mean upgrade, right? not dist-upgrade? |
| 08:33.36 | jelly-home | insaneinside: no. |
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| 08:34.56 | Elephantman | hello |
| 08:35.09 | jelly-home | insaneinside: he must do either "aptitude install openssh-server" or "aptitude dist-upgrade" to get the new one |
| 08:35.24 | jaggz- | so dsa's recommended over rsa? I didn't get that... |
| 08:35.44 | simonrvn | !rsa |
| 08:35.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, rsa is a public key encryption algorithm |
| 08:35.49 | g00se | jelly-home: that sounds strange as the keys wouldn't be purged - or would they? |
| 08:35.57 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 08:35.57 | jaggz- | I mean.. ssh-keygen -t dsa -b 1024 |
| 08:36.12 | markybob | jaggz-, the opposite, if you ask me. rsa |
| 08:36.15 | simonrvn | 1024? |
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| 08:36.28 | jaggz- | that came from a site: http://www.ubuntuhacker.com/ |
| 08:36.31 | insaneinside | is sure some sort of misinformation or anothing is skulking about... |
| 08:36.40 | insaneinside | *another |
| 08:36.50 | scibot | Hmmm... |
| 08:37.19 | markybob | insaneinside, different opinions about something so academic is to be expected |
| 08:37.37 | jaggz- | anyone have a url to the actual code, btw? |
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| 08:37.44 | jelly-home | g00se: read the fine wiki page. |
| 08:38.03 | simonrvn | RTFWP |
| 08:38.14 | \amethyst | jaggz-: perhaps apt-get source openssl |
| 08:38.29 | markybob | the wikipage and the security release page should be all you need |
| 08:38.49 | jelly-home | insaneinside: this is irc. Expect misinformation. |
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| 08:38.59 | simonrvn | use rsa, it's stronger. people suggest using dsa mostly because rsa used to be license encumbered |
| 08:39.20 | jaggz- | we only recently switched from apache+stronghold :/ |
| 08:39.30 | jelly-home | meh, and me using .ssh/id_dsa* for the last... 4 years or so |
| 08:39.52 | simonrvn | as soon as rsa was usable unencumbered i switched to it |
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| 08:39.56 | markybob | simbioz, thank god, someo\ne finally backing me up :P |
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| 08:40.16 | simonrvn | funnily enough it's been about 4 years =) |
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| 08:40.59 | jelly-home | dunno. I started with dsa as it came to be available in ssh2. |
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| 08:41.39 | jelly-home | apparently a bit earlier |
| 08:41.40 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 601 2001-08-11 20:33 id_dsa.pub |
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| 08:42.07 | simonrvn | 2005-09-28 01:59 id_rsa.pub |
| 08:42.11 | jaggz- | "DSA keys must be exactly 1024 bits as specified by FIPS 186-2." |
| 08:42.55 | \amethyst | jelly-home: a year older than mine :) |
| 08:43.03 | simonrvn | jelly-home: you old coot :P |
| 08:43.18 | \amethyst | jelly-home: I still have a ssh1 key from 1999-04-05 though :) |
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| 08:44.06 | fde | \amethyst: Even just using an OpenSSL since 2006 means it is insecure. |
| 08:44.22 | insaneinside | (now that i've figured out that aptitude's dependency resolver lets you accept or reject proposed actions on individual packages, i rather like it....) |
| 08:44.35 | simonrvn | hands fde a calculator |
| 08:44.40 | fde | \amethyst: So if you've used that key in the last 2 years, it's no longer good. |
| 08:44.46 | jelly-home | fde: what, if someone collected the network data? |
| 08:45.04 | fde | jelly-home: that's what it says on the related wiki page. |
| 08:45.10 | \amethyst | fde: you mean, if I've used that key with a machine that has a compromised hostkey |
| 08:45.33 | enouf | apologies folks, nature called .. and then she started yelling :-p |
| 08:46.04 | fde | \amethyst: No, if that key has touched a machine that has used a Debian packaged OpenSSL in that timeframe. |
| 08:46.53 | \amethyst | fde: oh? even if the machine has a good hostkey? |
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| 08:46.55 | enouf | moshii: aye, but i know where to ask, should i really care ;-) |
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| 08:47.22 | fde | \amethyst: That's what the wiki states. |
| 08:47.24 | fstab | hey guys i need some help im trying to find a light chat thats a little more eye candy then wee chat. |
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| 08:47.39 | simonrvn | irssi! |
| 08:47.45 | insaneinside | fstab: xchat? |
| 08:47.50 | fde | fstab: kvirc |
| 08:48.02 | \amethyst | fde: what section is that in? |
| 08:48.07 | enouf | wow, bloated |
| 08:48.15 | fstab | oh no xchat is heavy too many dependenies |
| 08:48.26 | enouf | i would say konversation .. maybe, .. if using kde |
| 08:48.31 | simonrvn | xchat-gtk |
| 08:48.41 | fstab | im using fluxbox |
| 08:48.54 | fstab | woot 600 mb install |
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| 08:49.00 | insaneinside | fstab: erc. just add emacs. :D |
| 08:49.00 | enouf | haha |
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| 08:49.14 | \amethyst | fde: ah, I see |
| 08:49.18 | simonrvn | fde: linky ? --> |
| 08:49.37 | fstab | okay so kvirc? |
| 08:49.45 | tingle | hi, i got a laptop and i would like to use a lcd as second monitor i got a minmal debian install whit xorg and fluxbox could anyone give me a hint where to look for howto's or good documentation? |
| 08:49.51 | fde | \amethyst: ahh, I was mistaken, only if it's touched a bad hostkey as you said... I read it wrong. |
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| 08:50.08 | fde | \amethyst: I read blogs saying what I stated, but that's not on the wiki. |
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| 08:50.40 | fstab | okay im off this is too bright hurting my eyes its like highligter blue and yellow. thanks guys be back in a couple of minutes |
| 08:50.45 | fde | waits for the mass repackaging for TLS instead of SSL... most all of KDE already does this. |
| 08:50.56 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to resize EXT3 partition? |
| 08:51.09 | \amethyst | TLS instead of SSL? |
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| 08:51.12 | sep | JyZyXEL, yes |
| 08:51.22 | JyZyXEL | is there a tool for it? |
| 08:51.27 | sep | JyZyXEL, ext3 is a filesystem tho |
| 08:51.28 | fde | \amethyst: Most things that support one can use the other instead. |
| 08:51.32 | sep | JyZyXEL, resize2fs |
| 08:51.39 | simonrvn | i'm assuming he means gnutls |
| 08:51.41 | JyZyXEL | awesome |
| 08:51.43 | \amethyst | fde: you mean gnutls vs openssl? |
| 08:51.50 | fde | \amethyst: yes |
| 08:51.55 | sep | JyZyXEL, keep in mind. if you reduce. you first reduze filesystem then the partition |
| 08:52.04 | sep | if you grow you first grow partition then filesystem |
| 08:52.08 | simonrvn | fde: not really, no. |
| 08:52.10 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 08:52.19 | sep | JyZyXEL, gparted also can do resize and have a gui point clickity thingy |
| 08:52.22 | sep | (i think) |
| 08:52.37 | JyZyXEL | sounds hard |
| 08:52.48 | sep | JyZyXEL, sounds logical to me |
| 08:52.50 | vraa | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 08:52.59 | simonrvn | i spoke with one of the openldap developers on that issue in fact, and he says gnutls is a fricking mess (paraphrased). |
| 08:53.24 | fde | simonrvn: So is OpenSSL in Debian atm :P |
| 08:53.31 | simonrvn | on the surface it's similar, but when say configuring something for it, it's another round of cheese |
| 08:53.32 | sep | JyZyXEL, just think of the filesystem (ext3) as inside the partition. then it becomes obvious why you can not grow the file system before the partition :) |
| 08:53.40 | Ikarus | can you say Security Nightmare |
| 08:53.46 | simonrvn | fde: i know ehehe |
| 08:53.48 | JyZyXEL | sep no i mean the GUI sounds hard |
| 08:54.05 | Ikarus | is currently on the line with his CSP to get permission to submit fresh CSRs |
| 08:54.18 | sep | JyZyXEL, gui's are made so it should be harder and more confusing so that's expected. |
| 08:54.23 | simonrvn | me i don't care, i just build what i need. it's local only .debs, so i don't care what's in it. |
| 08:54.30 | sep | JyZyXEL, you can look at the screenshot vraa pointed to |
| 08:54.31 | JyZyXEL | indeed ;) |
| 08:54.34 | zsh | JyZyXEL: back up all your important data before resizing |
| 08:54.47 | simonrvn | WRT gnutls/openssl i mean |
| 08:55.03 | sep | JyZyXEL, i didnt mention backup since if you dont have that before trying a stunt like resizing you deserve to loose data :P |
| 08:55.19 | simonrvn | LOSE |
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| 08:55.34 | simonrvn | gets tired of seeing that |
| 08:55.41 | fde | simonrvn: How likely is it that the guy you talked to simply didn't understand the gnutls code, so stated it's a mess for that reason? |
| 08:55.45 | enouf | hands simonrvn a noose |
| 08:55.55 | fde | simonrvn: Or was he speaking from a technical standpoint? |
| 08:56.10 | simonrvn | fde: technical standpoint |
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| 08:56.48 | simonrvn | i don't remember exact details, but there's a post he made on the subject on the openldap-devel ML (or -users) |
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| 08:57.20 | jaggz- | we need dvorak gui instead of qwerty gui |
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| 08:57.23 | simonrvn | howard chu |
| 08:57.37 | simonrvn | i'll see if i can find the url |
| 08:57.48 | fde | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 08:58.07 | jaggz- | I think if I reboot my server it won't come up.. |
| 08:58.23 | martian67 | with the latest xorg from testing |
| 08:58.37 | martian67 | everything is really slow, and my xorg.conf |
| 08:58.39 | martian67 | is ignored |
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| 08:58.53 | martian67 | like xrandr takes 30 seconds to run |
| 08:58.57 | martian67 | and the whole system locks |
| 08:59.00 | martian67 | while its occuring |
| 08:59.00 | fde | !enter martian67 |
| 08:59.05 | fde | !enter | martian67 |
| 08:59.12 | fde | !slap |
| 08:59.16 | fde | :( |
| 08:59.19 | martian67 | owned |
| 08:59.20 | fde | The bot hates me |
| 08:59.27 | jaggz- | normally the martians enter humans but you reversed it *fake lol* |
| 08:59.27 | insaneinside | !enter my gf??? what's going on? |
| 08:59.44 | jaggz- | looks at insane |
| 09:00.03 | enouf | apt: smack martian67 upside the head |
| 09:00.05 | apt | ACTION smacks martian67 upside the head upside the head. |
| 09:00.12 | martian67 | ... |
| 09:00.13 | jaggz- | does firefox use my ssl stuff? omg.. if I access my bank accounts... ?? |
| 09:00.20 | martian67 | emotes rather than solutions |
| 09:00.24 | martian67 | are not helpful |
| 09:00.30 | fde | !enter |
| 09:00.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 09:00.36 | enouf | neither are |
| 09:00.40 | enouf | unneeded |
| 09:00.42 | enouf | enters |
| 09:00.58 | jaggz- | so many single quotes suck too |
| 09:01.00 | fde | martian67: You expect us to follow your sentences up the screen? |
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| 09:01.08 | martian67 | ok |
| 09:01.13 | jaggz- | in fact.. they really sucked in my special parser.. |
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| 09:01.21 | martian67 | sit here and pick at my use of enter rather than being helpful |
| 09:01.25 | martian67 | thanks a ton guys |
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| 09:01.32 | insaneinside | i guess we're being bitchy tonight... PMS, guys? |
| 09:01.40 | jaggz- | <.test var={This is george's text}.> |
| 09:01.47 | enouf | nah, botsmite fun ;-) |
| 09:02.01 | GeorgeA | don't highlight me!! |
| 09:02.04 | GeorgeA | :P |
| 09:02.08 | jaggz- | I accept embedded text and code... <.test var=<.more stuff.>.> |
| 09:02.08 | fde | martian67: You don't learn very quickly... try stating your issue without hitting enter 20 times, and maybe you'll get assistance... |
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| 09:02.26 | simonrvn | fde: http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200802/msg00072.html |
| 09:02.37 | martian67 | fde: you read exactly what i said, if you are going to be so pendantic and annoying, blow me |
| 09:02.39 | jaggz- | we type |
| 09:02.40 | jaggz- | the way |
| 09:02.47 | jaggz- | captain kirk talks |
| 09:02.55 | enouf | O_o |
| 09:03.04 | simonrvn | had to go grepping in my old shell history from the other hdd |
| 09:03.20 | simonrvn | jaggz-: and. you get. ignored. |
| 09:03.22 | jaggz- | !kick martian67 please keep content suitable for all ages |
| 09:03.23 | dpkg | kicks martian67 please keep content suitable for all ages in the crotch. |
| 09:03.31 | fde | martian67: Uhh, actually I didn't... maybe someone else did... but you're getting no help right now... so try saying it again on one line, thanks. |
| 09:03.53 | insaneinside | !slap fde |
| 09:03.53 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across fde's face |
| 09:03.57 | insaneinside | play nice. |
| 09:03.59 | insaneinside | be nice. |
| 09:04.23 | insaneinside | if you can't, be quiet. thanks... |
| 09:04.29 | enouf | stfu |
| 09:04.32 | enouf | :-P |
| 09:04.33 | themill | insaneinside, martian67: please try to construct full sentences. Without pressing enter after every second word. It makes it much easier for us to work follow what's going on and help people. |
| 09:04.51 | fde | insaneinside: I think it's being nice to inform someone on how to better get assistance from a channel full of geeks... maybe I'm mistaken. |
| 09:04.55 | martian67 | themill: after 5 people telling me this, I think i get the picture |
| 09:05.05 | martian67 | but thanks for the advice |
| 09:05.11 | enouf | goes to another channel, until atleast this nonsense ends |
| 09:05.29 | themill | martian67: excellent :) Have you looked at what driver your new xorg is using? (xorg in lenny has just jumped to version 7.3) |
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| 09:05.44 | simonrvn | especially if it gets busy in here... makes it hard to follow shit |
| 09:05.48 | martian67 | its using the radeon driver |
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| 09:05.53 | BOSPUS2 | hi |
| 09:06.07 | martian67 | also, why are xorg.conf settings being ignored |
| 09:06.19 | simonrvn | fde: http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200802/msg00072.html |
| 09:06.31 | BOSPUS2 | can anyone paste his static networking settings from interfaces ? i donno what im doing wrong |
| 09:06.34 | simonrvn | just in case you missed it the first time =) |
| 09:06.35 | fde | martian67: BulletProofX ... apparently user settings are bullets. |
| 09:06.55 | martian67 | is there any way to remove this annoyance? |
| 09:07.02 | fde | simonrvn: I didn't... I'd open on this display currently... |
| 09:07.10 | BOSPUS2 | in resolv.conf i have for nameserver 2 dns isp servers |
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| 09:08.02 | BOSPUS2 | do i have to put ip from router into resolv.conf or dns from isp ? |
| 09:08.24 | martian67 | BOSPUS2: most routers have a built in DNS server |
| 09:08.35 | simonrvn | reading that again, i go WTF all over again |
| 09:09.40 | fde | simonrvn: wow... pretty strong words... apparently I'm as naive as the developers though, cuz other than the IP case, I don't really understand the issues he states. |
| 09:10.18 | fde | simonrvn: mangling much of the data in the primary use case for your software is probably not a good thing though :P |
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| 09:11.42 | bospus | i have this in interfaces 1. auto eth0 2. iface eth0 inet static 3. ipaddr 192.168.0.3 4. netmask 255.255.255.0 5. gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 09:11.57 | bospus | + that auto lo at the beginning |
| 09:11.59 | bospus | 2 lines |
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| 09:12.10 | halloman | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 |
| 09:12.41 | bospus | error im getting is .. failed to bring eth0 up |
| 09:12.56 | simonrvn | fde: it's handled as binary, not text. it'd be too much to handle it as text, AIUI, passing shit around encrypted. so you need to be clean and not mangle it, or if you do, do it in so that the other end understands what you've done. from an admin perspective, which is what i grok a lot more, gnutls is less featureful, such as configuring what sort of low, medium, or high grade encryption, and what hashes and such to use. |
| 09:13.28 | bospus | it says dont seem to have all the variables for inet/eth0 |
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| 09:13.48 | bospus | do i have to add broadcast andnetwork ? |
| 09:13.51 | JyZyXEL | god damn |
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| 09:14.14 | JyZyXEL | the debian installer consoles are some busybox things |
| 09:14.16 | eap | bospus: 2 lines? i have the same except, address instead of ipaddr, and on 5 lines |
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| 09:14.35 | bospus | hm |
| 09:14.47 | bospus | i change ipaddr to address ? |
| 09:15.12 | eap | bospus, try and see, but did you say, you have it on two lines? |
| 09:15.25 | bospus | i have 7 lines alltogether |
| 09:15.41 | fde | simonrvn: Just seems in general that gnutls isn't a valid alternative at all... oh well, hopefully similar mistakes are avoided in the future! |
| 09:16.02 | fde | simonrvn: especially in packages like openssl... it's a pretty important software! |
| 09:16.10 | simonrvn | fde: indeed. which is sad, since it has a clear license |
| 09:16.14 | eap | bospus: all those lines you typed, try putting each on a line (if they are not) and change to address, not sure about ipaddr |
| 09:16.18 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck |
| 09:16.34 | JyZyXEL | where am i gonna find a live-cd that is gonna work with 64MB of memory |
| 09:16.57 | fireba11 | JyZyXEL: use GRML |
| 09:17.09 | eap | bospus: pasting you mine directly |
| 09:17.35 | JyZyXEL | fireba11 does it have apt-get? |
| 09:17.53 | fireba11 | JyZyXEL: it's debian-based |
| 09:17.57 | JyZyXEL | good |
| 09:18.23 | JyZyXEL | so i presume it has a low memory mode |
| 09:18.38 | bospus | 1: auto lo 2: iface lo inet static 3: auto eth0 4: iface eth0 inet static 5: ipaddr 192.168.0.3 6: netmask 255.255.255.0 7: gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 09:18.43 | bospus | ok this is it |
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| 09:19.17 | fireba11 | JyZyXEL: it's texttools only anyway .. so should run on pretty much anything |
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| 09:20.12 | bospus | what am i missing / is wrong in there so that my connection does not work ? |
| 09:20.20 | dropbear | bospus: 'ipaddr' should read 'address' |
| 09:20.24 | bospus | k |
| 09:20.31 | bospus | ill switch that now |
| 09:20.39 | fireba11 | JyZyXEL: grml-small has minimum of 32 MB ram .. because of ramdisk mainly |
| 09:20.40 | eap | bospus: change ipaddr to address |
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| 09:22.26 | bostjan | hey |
| 09:22.28 | bostjan | its working |
| 09:22.32 | bostjan | its me bospus |
| 09:22.54 | eap | bospus: enjoy :D |
| 09:22.57 | bospus | yeah |
| 09:23.02 | bospus | thanks |
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| 09:23.13 | bospus | eap |
| 09:23.39 | bospus | it was just this word .. ipaddr i had to change to address now everything works |
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| 09:23.59 | eap | bospus: yes, that was the error, |
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| 09:24.36 | bospus | im very new on linux |
| 09:27.37 | bospus | whats about forwarding ports |
| 09:27.55 | bospus | i need to forward some ports for apache to work |
| 09:28.09 | bospus | coz it goes through router |
| 09:28.30 | bospus | they said port 80 |
| 09:28.35 | bospus | i forward |
| 09:29.14 | bospus | im trying to set up web server so i can do some web pages |
| 09:29.25 | bospus | and i havent been into this for a long time |
| 09:29.27 | cahoot | so config the router |
| 09:30.05 | eap | bopus: in short, like a tunnel b/w the two ports, too long to explain, your gonna have to do your homework :) start looking for network information, hint: 'iptables' |
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| 09:31.33 | fstab | good call with the kvirc |
| 09:32.16 | fstab | okay now if i can kindly be directed to the eeepc channel please :) |
| 09:32.33 | LimCore | fde: anyone uses fwbuilder? how to use that damn tool to just install the firewall on my box without using ssh? |
| 09:32.36 | bospus | i added starting port -80- and ending port -80- .. and put server adress to this linux machine 192.168.0.3 |
| 09:32.41 | bospus | this it ? |
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| 09:33.09 | fde | LimCore: Uhh, I use iptables.... |
| 09:33.20 | fstab | !eeepc |
| 09:33.20 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 09:33.25 | fstab | aww there we go |
| 09:33.33 | fstab | be back in a bit |
| 09:34.20 | eap | bospus: for the router config, yes, that does seem ok, else look for iptables on your box, not sure where you want it |
| 09:34.30 | LimCore | fwbuilder is really idiotic. it requires me to click like 5 times before it applies the damn firewall... is it possible to stop this madness? |
| 09:34.52 | LimCore | fde: as do all tools |
| 09:35.00 | jelly | LimCore: utsl? |
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| 09:35.41 | fde | LimCore: Yeah... I use iptables directly, cuz that way I know what's going on, rather than letting a tool confuse the situation. |
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| 09:36.37 | LimCore | jelly? |
| 09:36.49 | LimCore | fde: the tool genereates iptables script |
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| 09:37.11 | fde | LimCore: I know what it does... I do what it does myself. |
| 09:37.19 | LimCore | fde: but THIS tool instead having a key to apply the rules, pops up idiotic wizard window with Next> button needed to be clicked serval times. what is this, windows? |
| 09:37.20 | jelly | LimCore: I was just being cocky and suggesting you fix the application code if you don't like how it behaves |
| 09:37.27 | jelly | !utsl |
| 09:37.27 | dpkg | [utsl] Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
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| 09:37.40 | fde | LimCore: It's umm... you using dumb tools. |
| 09:37.46 | LimCore | jelly: I will just use other tool or write by hand. still this tools make it harder to work with. strange |
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| 09:38.33 | enouf | floppyfw ftw \o/ |
| 09:39.08 | LimCore | this fwbuilder really is counter-helpfull |
| 09:39.11 | LimCore | files in a bug |
| 09:39.16 | enouf | !pebkac |
| 09:39.16 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 09:39.24 | fde | LimCore: you expected it to be easier than doing it yourself? nothing is ever easier than that, provided you take the time to learn how to do it yourself. |
| 09:39.41 | LimCore | I written firewalls before. |
| 09:39.57 | fde | LimCore: There is always Ubuntu if you prefer clicking 10 times for a simple one liner command.... |
| 09:39.57 | LimCore | still, this tools are helpfull to learn some new options, I dont remember all possible options and examples |
| 09:40.03 | LimCore | I use ubuntu |
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| 09:40.20 | enouf | phones up raf256, and asks him to take LimCore away :-P |
| 09:40.22 | pngwn | bingo |
| 09:40.22 | catsup | that openssl thing is pretty embarrassing |
| 09:40.37 | cahoot | really? |
| 09:40.38 | jelly | fde: I understood he's complaining he _doesn't_ like clicking |
| 09:40.38 | fde | catsup: indeed |
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| 09:40.57 | LimCore | catsup: you know that installing upgrade is not enough to fix the problem fully? |
| 09:40.58 | fde | jelly: I understand he still doesn't wanna do it the easy way, despite that :P |
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| 09:41.17 | LimCore | fde: I was checking the GUI way |
| 09:41.27 | LimCore | it is harder in the gui |
| 09:41.29 | catsup | LimCore: all my keys predate the bug so, no problem here |
| 09:41.34 | LimCore | because THIS particular tools are idiotic |
| 09:41.41 | LimCore | catsup: wrong |
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| 09:41.52 | fde | LimCore: User friendly always means inefficient. |
| 09:41.59 | LimCore | fde: no |
| 09:41.59 | jaggz- | no |
| 09:42.03 | jaggz- | heh |
| 09:42.07 | Radit | I need help installing gfxboot.. I anybody here using it? |
| 09:42.10 | fde | LimCore: State a case where that is false. |
| 09:42.11 | catsup | it is only possible to maximize one variable |
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| 09:42.15 | jaggz- | fde, and never say that again :) |
| 09:42.17 | zxd | what command can i use to print username from uid |
| 09:42.20 | catsup | system-friendliness or user-friendliness: choose one |
| 09:42.25 | fde | jaggz-: It is fact. |
| 09:42.26 | jaggz- | Google makes some user-friendly services which are also efficient :) |
| 09:42.46 | LimCore | fde: editor of firewall script with handy set of ready templates, shortucts and library of tools and rulres. |
| 09:42.48 | jaggz- | I think a nice intuitive interface can be user-friendly and efficient... |
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| 09:42.58 | fde | jaggz-: To truly utilize google, you must use non-user friendly features. |
| 09:42.59 | LimCore | indeed jaggz- |
| 09:43.15 | jelly | LimCore: maybe you'd like something like this http://tuxguardian.sourceforge.net/screenshot.png :-> |
| 09:43.19 | jaggz- | k.. well I think there's a greyscale here :) |
| 09:43.24 | catsup | google's one variable to maximize is share value |
| 09:43.33 | LimCore | jelly: this is very nice actually |
| 09:43.41 | fde | jelly: haha |
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| 09:43.42 | LimCore | jelly: but not for me, I need advanced fw |
| 09:43.57 | LimCore | fde: whats funny, its the ideal tool for everyday user |
| 09:44.00 | jaggz- | iptables you mean? |
| 09:44.27 | LimCore | I will write script, basing on some examples from the GUI tools |
| 09:44.34 | fde | LimCore: everyday user = complete moron... so you're right I suppose. |
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| 09:44.48 | jerzey | can someone give me a quick shot on how to handle ssh public host keys after the last security hole? |
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| 09:45.02 | jelly | LimCore: yeah... I've let lokkit generate a setup, then saved the iptables state, junked lokkit and worked on the rules manually |
| 09:45.03 | enouf | ipsec, firestater, smoothwall, m0n0wall, whatever - choose one man, or do it yourself |
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| 09:45.07 | jerzey | the private host keys get regenerated automatically, but the public host keys get listed as "unknown" |
| 09:45.11 | LimCore | fde: I bet the users same the same thing about you considering i.e. taking antibiotics |
| 09:45.16 | jelly | enouf: ipsec?? |
| 09:45.26 | enouf | jelly: whatever it's called :-P |
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| 09:45.31 | enouf | ip<something> |
| 09:45.44 | fde | jerzey: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys provides many fixes... |
| 09:45.46 | LimCore | fde: "thoes noobs just want to take medicine instead learn for years and operate on themselves" |
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| 09:45.53 | LimCore | s/medicine/pill |
| 09:45.59 | private_meta | hi, i have a small problem... i deleted my ssh keys on my server, didn't generated them again and closed my session... now i can't access my server anymore... can anyone tell me if i can rescue my system? |
| 09:46.12 | jelly | private_meta: log in at the console? |
| 09:46.17 | private_meta | jelly: can't |
| 09:46.20 | Rienzilla | *g* |
| 09:46.21 | private_meta | jelly: it's in a server center |
| 09:46.22 | LimCore | I bet the doctors think the the same thing about you considering i.e. taking antibiotics - "thoes noobs just want to take medicine instead learn for years and operate on themselves" |
| 09:46.22 | Rienzilla | grab a car |
| 09:46.25 | Rienzilla | drive to the datacenter |
| 09:46.28 | Rienzilla | and log in :) |
| 09:46.30 | private_meta | Rienzilla: it's 1000km away |
| 09:46.34 | jelly | private_meta: let someone else log in at the console? |
| 09:46.38 | LimCore | private_meta: grab a jet |
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| 09:46.38 | enouf | LimCore: the CCCP offers pay for services and software for those less intelligent |
| 09:46.39 | Rienzilla | no serial console or remote hands? |
| 09:46.40 | jaggz- | well then just ride a bike, duh. |
| 09:46.51 | fde | LimCore: Operating on yourself, in this scenario, would be more like learning C or assembly. |
| 09:46.52 | jaggz- | I think you need to contact them for some remote service then.. it's not overly difficult |
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| 09:46.53 | lucia | how can i make ext3 fs fast? |
| 09:46.57 | private_meta | 11:42 <@protected_meta> samuel: ja, neu erstellt hab ich sie net |
| 09:46.59 | jerzey | fde: thank you |
| 09:47.00 | private_meta | ups |
| 09:47.05 | jelly | lucia: good question. |
| 09:47.10 | private_meta | so, there's no way than a local login? |
| 09:47.14 | googlah | private_meta: talk to the server datacenter staff? |
| 09:47.29 | jelly | private_meta: how does it fail to log you in? |
| 09:47.40 | jaggz- | lucia, in many high volume server situations you often want to use chattr +A on things |
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| 09:47.44 | jaggz- | you also want a lot of memory |
| 09:47.46 | private_meta | jelly: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
| 09:47.53 | LimCore | fde: when you ride on bus or metro, do you study it's engine and know how to build it? or you just want to be taken to work? That is what most users just need, simply |
| 09:48.18 | alturiak | private_meta: your hoster probably offers some kind of rescue-system which you could boot to fix your real system - but it's up to you to know that. :-) |
| 09:48.35 | lucia | make a ext3 fs on flash memory.. |
| 09:48.45 | fde | LimCore: again the engine is more like the source code.... in that scenario, using iptables directly would be like driving yourself to work. |
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| 09:48.48 | lucia | but, a long time spends.. |
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| 09:49.00 | Almathea | where can I find ssh-vulnkey source? |
| 09:49.05 | LimCore | fde: ok, yet still many people want to just be taken to work with a bus |
| 09:49.08 | jaggz- | how can I test my grub to make sure everything seems okay BEFORE I reboot the system (from remote)? |
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| 09:49.15 | enouf | lucia: i hear the dir_index feature may help with when many files/subdirs in dirs - also noatime mount option perhaps |
| 09:49.17 | jaggz- | I looked at the files.. it seems alright |
| 09:49.17 | LimCore | Almathea: apt-get source ssh-vulnkey |
| 09:49.21 | jaggz- | the new kernel seems in |
| 09:49.26 | Almathea | LimCore, non-debian boxen |
| 09:49.38 | enouf | lucia: ugh, flash? nm then ;-) |
| 09:49.44 | jaggz- | the initrd thing has not been regenerated or whatever it is .. according to that semi-frightening message after apt-get upgrade |
| 09:50.05 | fde | LimCore: That is a perfect example... who would rather go 30mph, and stop every 5 mins... when they can drive themselves going 65mph on the freeway, with no stops? |
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| 09:50.10 | private_meta | alturiak: there's a "PowerRescue" option, by using Debian 3.1 as a rescue system, they say it gives me some kind of secured mode, you think that should suffice? |
| 09:50.34 | fde | LimCore: No one that knows how to drive picks the bus. |
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| 09:50.57 | jaggz- | the bus is cheaper than gas right now |
| 09:51.02 | Almathea | LimCore, also that is not a package of it's own. |
| 09:51.40 | jaggz- | were it longer distances I'd probably not mind getting a book and taking a bus... as it is I worry about missing my stops :) |
| 09:51.45 | alturiak | private_meta: yeah, you should be able to mount your drives, chroot into your old system and fix whatever needs to be fixed |
| 09:51.58 | fde | jaggz-: Gas price would be like speed of fingers I suppose... |
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| 09:52.10 | jaggz- | so am I safe, after apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; fixing /etc/ssh/ keys and home keys... and ... can I reboot? |
| 09:52.20 | enouf | jaggz-: pretty sure you can run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version anytime to update the initrd -- but please do not try anything rash, and no i haven't been in your exact situation to test -- you just did an a system upgrade ? |
| 09:52.34 | fde | jaggz-: I think you missed the metaphor. |
| 09:52.49 | private_meta | alturiak: sorry, but you have any hint on how to do that? <_< |
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| 09:53.21 | enouf | jaggz-: you can just do dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server , iinm |
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| 09:53.53 | catsup | jaggz-: you should reboot before and after each command, also |
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| 09:54.06 | alturiak | private_meta: your hoster also most probably has a howto for it - and since you only need standard linux stuff, anyone around here should be able to help you |
| 09:54.14 | enouf | jaggz-: sorry man, not been following your scenario - i'm lost, i will shutup now |
| 09:54.15 | alturiak | I gotta leave, though :s |
| 09:55.03 | catsup | fde: in answer to your metaphorical question--someone with nowhere particular to go |
| 09:55.41 | enouf | when i upgraded openssl libssl0.9.8 i was presented with a nice debconf script which told me exactly what to do and expect |
| 09:56.07 | enouf | (as far as restarting system services and such) |
| 09:56.08 | LimCore | fde: how many people choose bus over car? you see. |
| 09:56.19 | enouf | IINM, only exim4 and ssh were listed |
| 09:56.28 | enouf | (for me, that is) |
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| 09:56.46 | catsup | buses are slower than cars, because there are fewer buses--it's not the other way around |
| 09:56.51 | fde | LimCore: I've been on buses, I've listened to people complain about being on the bus, and have made such complaints myself.... I don't have my license. |
| 09:56.58 | LimCore | btw, in this, mac os x is a limo |
| 09:57.07 | fde | LimCore: Anyway, this is going nowhere, please drop it. |
| 09:57.08 | catsup | if you melted down all the cars, and built buses from them, buses would be as convenient as subways |
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| 09:58.34 | fde | LimCore: I have a smashed G5 in the trash that disproves that... thing was frustrating as hell to use. |
| 09:59.10 | fde | I didn't pay for it, else I'd probably be much more angry with myself right about now.... |
| 09:59.16 | LimCore | fde: indeed not much to discuss, we all know people oftne just want to use things and not learn them. If linux world suits such people as well, the more linux users, and better support from various vendoers (i.e. ubuntu got popular - dell ships it etc) |
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| 09:59.32 | solars | hey, can anyone suggest an app to open archives from the browser for quick viewing? |
| 09:59.46 | LimCore | and the simple user space firewall is a nice application for ppl that dont want to play with fw :) |
| 09:59.51 | LimCore | builds his fw script |
| 10:00.03 | fde | LimCore: Debian isn't about being lazy... that's for the Ubuntu crowd. |
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| 10:00.27 | LimCore | fde: that's why I left only server on debian |
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| 10:00.48 | enouf | jaggz-: bus being cheaper than gas doesn;t help when you make monthly car payments + insurance which is required - .. so it's not like people are going to just start hopping on the busses ;-) |
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| 10:01.10 | fde | LimCore: I have my Mom on Ubuntu so she doesn't bug me... she is scared of the microwave though... |
| 10:01.24 | catsup | it's not enough for people to 'switch to buses' |
| 10:01.31 | LimCore | fde: if she want a firewall, the link above would be helpfull |
| 10:01.39 | catsup | the actual hardware has to be switched from cars to buses, otherwise it's impossible |
| 10:01.45 | fireba11 | fde: hehe |
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| 10:01.50 | fde | LimCore: She doesn't need one, all incoming ports are blocked. |
| 10:02.03 | catsup | people switching from cars to buses is like people switching from 32 bit to 64 bit |
| 10:02.23 | Almathea | LimCore, I found a debian box, updated it, found that vulnkey comes from openssh-client, but apt-get source openssh-client does not provide source for it. |
| 10:02.35 | catsup | can someone please elucidate the 32->64 transition with another layer of metaphor? |
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| 10:02.56 | enouf | jaggz-: if they were smart, and would predict that prices will never fall .. then maybe they would sell their car, drop the insurance (naturally) , then start bussing and training it with the other *cough*sardines*cough* |
| 10:03.07 | LimCore | fde: in future, she may click on screensavers.bin, and then you will regret to not block outgoing ports except for allowed applications :) |
| 10:03.28 | enouf | </OT> |
| 10:03.35 | LimCore | Almathea: hmm then not sure... |
| 10:04.18 | LimCore | Almathea: erm... why :> ? |
| 10:04.24 | enouf | Almathea: are you trying to find where the code breakage is/was? |
| 10:04.28 | jetscreamer | mass transit is not really an option in houston, fyi |
| 10:04.41 | LimCore | Almathea: you are not trying to write a worm or something? :P |
| 10:04.44 | jetscreamer | not 'much' of an option |
| 10:04.52 | enouf | jetscreamer: and i'm sure many many other places ;-) |
| 10:05.27 | enouf | jetscreamer: we should've elected Jerry <What's his name> |
| 10:05.38 | fde | LimCore: she's had to have double clicking on images explained to her... I don't think I have to worry. |
| 10:05.42 | jetscreamer | hell i think gore should be running this time |
| 10:05.43 | enouf | Mr. HighSpeed Train guy |
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| 10:06.28 | Almathea | enouf, no, I'm trying to help my users that are affected by that failure. |
| 10:07.11 | enouf | Almathea: you shouldn't need any 'source' to fix things, AFAIK |
| 10:07.53 | jaggz- | I took the bus back from dropping my car off at the mechanic's :) |
| 10:07.55 | Almathea | So where do I get a binary that isn't linked to some strange stuff like gampbsf-4.54-r324-p043.1.2.3.so? |
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| 10:08.27 | catsup | just get the openssh source ? |
| 10:08.38 | enouf | no idea what you're even talking about - apologies |
| 10:08.49 | Almathea | I need ssh-vulnkey |
| 10:08.55 | Almathea | It's debian specific. |
| 10:09.01 | catsup | get it from debian |
| 10:09.07 | Almathea | I fail at finding a source code for. |
| 10:09.26 | Almathea | catsup, I even got an old one running |
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| 10:09.32 | Almathea | for that purpose |
| 10:10.21 | Almathea | I find a lot of wikis/howto's (some in channels topic). But none that says `howto for non-debian users that were affected by our fail' |
| 10:10.23 | Winkie | amphi: are you just trying to compile a static version? |
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| 10:11.21 | catsup | Almathea: http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/openssh |
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| 10:12.27 | sep | Almathea, links are in the dsa http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576 |
| 10:12.30 | \amethyst | Almathea: the sid source package for openssh seems to have ssh-vulnkey.c |
| 10:12.35 | Almathea | catsup, to make sure I understand: I need orig.tar.gz and apply 9etch1.diff.g to it right? |
| 10:12.41 | catsup | Almathea: yes |
| 10:12.48 | Almathea | catsup, thanks. |
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| 10:13.18 | \amethyst | Almathea: also, note that the blacklist itself is in a different package openssh-blacklist |
| 10:14.16 | Almathea | \ame |
| 10:14.23 | Almathea | wt |
| 10:14.25 | Almathea | oh |
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| 10:14.33 | Almathea | \amethyst, ok, thanks. |
| 10:14.49 | \amethyst | Almathea: you should be able to get that from the binary package |
| 10:14.52 | jberg- | if im running testing, can i download and use kernel 2.6.25 from sid? |
| 10:14.54 | JyZyXEL | Resizing the filesystem on /dev/hda1 to 1126400 (4k) blocks. |
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| 10:15.04 | JyZyXEL | thats taking suspeciosly long |
| 10:15.13 | jaggz- | so why would someone insult dowkd.pl? |
| 10:15.34 | catsup | JyZyXEL: shrinking or growing? |
| 10:15.38 | JyZyXEL | shrinking |
| 10:15.44 | Almathea | \amethyst, thanks, I got that. |
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| 10:16.09 | catsup | JyZyXEL: seems normal for it to take a long time, then |
| 10:16.14 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 10:16.32 | catsup | at least if your disk has a lot of stuff on it |
| 10:16.35 | catsup | erm, fs |
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| 10:16.59 | DexterF | hi |
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| 10:17.08 | \amethyst | Almathea: ubuntu has an openssl-blacklist that you might find useful, too, if you have any SSL keys that may be at risk |
| 10:17.22 | catsup | jberg-: see if there's a backport |
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| 10:18.04 | DexterF | so - how much of a good idea is it to upgrade to lenny now? machine is used for the usual (OOo, mail, inet, multimedia, dvb watching) but is meant to become a php/eclipse developement box, too |
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| 10:19.59 | abchirk | hi |
| 10:20.04 | folp | Hi guys, aren't the source packages for security updates available? |
| 10:20.26 | abchirk | I manually removed some wine executables in /usr/bin how I can reinstall them? with dpkg? |
| 10:20.35 | folp | I don't find suphp 0.6.3. |
| 10:20.35 | sep | DexterF, i would wait until after the post beta2 package migration rush sets in other then that i use lenny daily for my desktop |
| 10:21.37 | \amethyst | folp: Debian doesn't have suphp 0.6.3 |
| 10:21.49 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 10:21.50 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 10:21.57 | jetscreamer | well not that |
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| 10:22.12 | \amethyst | folp: You're talking about CVE-2008-1614 ? |
| 10:22.15 | jetscreamer | !force |
| 10:22.15 | dpkg | force is probably a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
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| 10:22.37 | jetscreamer | --force-missing maybe |
| 10:22.46 | folp | amphi: yup |
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| 10:22.59 | jetscreamer | iforgfety |
| 10:23.05 | fstab | how do i configure xorg? |
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| 10:23.24 | \amethyst | folp: it's fixed in 0.6.2-1+etch0 (etch) and in 0.6.2-2.1 (sid and lenny) |
| 10:23.52 | folp | amphi: sorry, it was for \amethyst |
| 10:23.57 | jim | fstab: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 10:24.00 | folp | \amethyst: thanks |
| 10:24.02 | \amethyst | folp: both of which should be 'apt-get source'-able |
| 10:24.09 | jaggz- | so far it looks like I get to drive to our colo facility :( |
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| 10:24.33 | fstab | !dpkg drxx |
| 10:24.33 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 10:24.38 | Almathea | \amethyst, I got that all round and working, big thanks. |
| 10:24.49 | antgel | !tell fstab about msg the bot |
| 10:24.49 | \amethyst | Almathea: cool |
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| 10:25.00 | jim | fstab: so, what would have happened if you used /msg? |
| 10:25.18 | \amethyst | Almathea: sorry Debian caused you trouble, we hope you'll forgive us :) |
| 10:25.26 | jaggz- | ooh.. it's up.. nevermind for that system :) :) :) |
| 10:25.29 | fstab | jim im not sure? |
| 10:25.41 | Almathea | :) |
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| 10:25.57 | jim | try it and see (more correctly, what would -not- have happened) |
| 10:26.51 | folp | \amethyst: They are :-) |
| 10:27.51 | jetscreamer | !play dead |
| 10:27.51 | dpkg | imitates Al Gore |
| 10:27.56 | JyZyXEL | for some reason resize2fs just failed |
| 10:27.56 | jetscreamer | you killed the bot |
| 10:28.07 | JyZyXEL | resize2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to resize /dev/hda1 |
| 10:28.07 | JyZyXEL | resize2fs /dev/hda1 4400M 0.27s user 13.98s system 0% cpu 34:42.33 total |
| 10:28.20 | JyZyXEL | no idea what that means |
| 10:28.42 | jetscreamer | doesn't that just work on ext2? |
| 10:28.49 | JyZyXEL | well i have ext2 |
| 10:28.49 | sep | JyZyXEL, are you growing it = and have you grown the partition allready ? and i assume it's not mounted ? |
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| 10:29.02 | JyZyXEL | the opposite |
| 10:29.11 | JyZyXEL | shrinking it |
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| 10:29.40 | sep | jetscreamer, i have resized ext3 with resize2fs many times >30 last year |
| 10:29.40 | JyZyXEL | converted my ext3 to ext2 |
| 10:30.01 | ronr | my apache won't stop (/etc/init.d/apache2 stop doesn't end all apache processes), the only way to restart apache is to kill all apache2 processes with -9. How van I figure out why this is (running debian unstable)? |
| 10:30.13 | JyZyXEL | its /dev/hda1 5.4G 1.9G 3.3G 37% |
| 10:30.30 | JyZyXEL | so it should be ok to resize it to 4.4GB |
| 10:30.51 | JyZyXEL | but the resize2fs error was too cryptic |
| 10:31.48 | antgel | JyZyXEL: did you check the fs? |
| 10:31.48 | JyZyXEL | check? |
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| 10:32.34 | jaggz- | ronr, that happened to me earlier.. do you use apache2ctl sometimes? |
| 10:32.41 | DexterF | sep: "post beta2 package migration rush" - gonna happen when? |
| 10:32.47 | JyZyXEL | guess ill try again |
| 10:33.00 | jaggz- | if you use it I believe it might mess up the pid tracking the init.d scripts normally want |
| 10:33.02 | sep | JyZyXEL, and you are sure it's not mounted ? check with mount and you typed resize2fs /dev/hda1 4.4G ? |
| 10:33.31 | JyZyXEL | sep no its not mounted and i typed: resize2fs /dev/hda1 4400M |
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| 10:33.48 | jaggz- | and guess what? I had two apache2 daemons each taking up 248MB of ram earlier.. this system's never hit so those were probably there for a day.. must be a memory leak -- it's really a bad thing! |
| 10:34.05 | antgel | JyZyXEL: DID YOU CHECK THE FS? |
| 10:34.10 | JyZyXEL | check? |
| 10:34.33 | antgel | yes, check |
| 10:34.37 | sep | JyZyXEL, when you run resize2fs it should tell you to run fsck did you do that ? |
| 10:34.37 | ronr | jaggz-: I can't remember ever using apache2ctl |
| 10:35.05 | JyZyXEL | huh o.o |
| 10:35.08 | ronr | jaggz-: should I try to downgrade to an older apache2 version? |
| 10:35.17 | JyZyXEL | i did that before i converted from ext3 to ext2 |
| 10:35.19 | sep | DexterF, it moved to tseting today so i guess tomorrow |
| 10:35.38 | jaggz- | chkrootkit |
| 10:35.39 | JyZyXEL | or oyu mean e2fsck -f /dev/hda1 |
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| 10:35.46 | JyZyXEL | cause i did that too |
| 10:35.54 | jaggz- | ronr, I'm not sure.. |
| 10:36.01 | DexterF | sep: I am so utterly confused |
| 10:36.09 | jaggz- | by the way.. you know that warning when you try to fsck a mounted fs.. |
| 10:36.26 | jaggz- | don't ignore it.. even if your fs is mounted readonly .. don't ignore the warning :) |
| 10:36.28 | DexterF | sep: what where you about, to wait until beta 2 is out..? |
| 10:36.39 | JyZyXEL | its not mounted |
| 10:36.51 | JyZyXEL | god damn ill just try again and wait another 30mins |
| 10:36.53 | jaggz- | I know.. but a few weeks ago I... nevermind. |
| 10:36.55 | sep | DexterF, nevermind me. jsut upgrade to testing if you want to :) |
| 10:36.57 | cemc | hi |
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| 10:37.09 | cemc | when i'm running an apt-get update, i get the following error |
| 10:37.15 | cemc | http://pastebin.org/36098 |
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| 10:37.35 | Bushmills | ronr: look whether it segfaults when you do /etc/init.d/apache2 configtest |
| 10:37.41 | jaggz- | dd can be sent a SIGUSR1 for displaying status.. maybe resize2fs has a status |
| 10:38.11 | DexterF | sep: :) alright |
| 10:38.20 | jaggz- | wow.. weird: chkrootkit 0.48 is now available! (Release Date: Mon Dec 17 2007) This version includes: new tests: common SSH brute force scanners, suspicious PHP files |
| 10:38.47 | Bushmills | and finds LKM trojan ... |
| 10:38.48 | ronr | Bushmills: configtest is not a valid option |
| 10:38.57 | JyZyXEL | root@grml ~ # resize /dev/hda1 4.4G |
| 10:38.58 | JyZyXEL | resize: Can't set window size under VT100 emulation |
| 10:39.03 | JyZyXEL | lol what the heck |
| 10:39.17 | \amethyst | cemc: add to /etc/apt/apt.conf something like APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; and try again |
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| 10:39.26 | ronr | Bushmills: and apache2ctl configtest doesn't segfault |
| 10:39.27 | \amethyst | !dynamic mmap |
| 10:39.28 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 10:39.28 | jaggz- | well.. probably wrong command? |
| 10:40.07 | JyZyXEL | btw sep 4.4G doesn't seem to be a correct size |
| 10:40.41 | netcrash | Hello, this happened to me yesterday on a dell 2950 with debian etch ext3 filesystem, on a user Maildir files appeared with lots of question marks , never saw that happen any tips ? |
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| 10:40.46 | Bushmills | ronr: yes, i mean apache2ctl, sry |
| 10:41.06 | sep | JyZyXEL, since you have to set the partition afterwards it's perhaps better to use blocks |
| 10:41.10 | \amethyst | netcrash: question marks where? |
| 10:41.29 | \amethyst | netcrash: in the file mode (permissions etc) or in the filename? |
| 10:41.29 | cemc | \amethyst: thanks, it worked |
| 10:41.31 | netcrash | in the MAC times and user, group and permissions |
| 10:41.37 | netcrash | not in the filename |
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| 10:41.50 | \amethyst | netcrash: no remote filesystem is involved? |
| 10:41.53 | netcrash | no |
| 10:41.58 | netcrash | local filesystem |
| 10:42.01 | JyZyXEL | sep im trying again |
| 10:42.04 | \amethyst | netcrash: and you're root? |
| 10:42.05 | netcrash | no nfs |
| 10:42.07 | netcrash | yes |
| 10:42.07 | JyZyXEL | cannot prolly interupt it now |
| 10:42.27 | \amethyst | netcrash: then it sounds like corruption |
| 10:42.32 | \amethyst | netcrash: do you have backups? |
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| 10:43.29 | netcrash | of 400 GB ?! No ! , I'm doing a fsck -yc on the disk now since it goes read only when on load... |
| 10:43.33 | ronr | it looks like only the apache process owned by root won't die |
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| 10:43.58 | netcrash | \amethyst: it's emails , so I can't get an acurate backup |
| 10:44.14 | Bushmills | no, why would one want to have backups when there is a lot of data. stupid question. |
| 10:44.15 | jim | netcrash: why? |
| 10:44.32 | \amethyst | netcrash: I mean of everything else :) |
| 10:45.10 | \amethyst | netcrash: can you cat the file or anything? (probably not) |
| 10:45.28 | netcrash | \amethyst: tryed doing a cat to the file yesterday , and couldn't |
| 10:45.32 | ronr | doing a manual kill <pid> on that process causes all other apache2 processes (owned by www-data) to go defunct, kill -9 <pid of root apache> kills all apache processes |
| 10:45.32 | \amethyst | netcrash: if not, you'll probably have to grep the partition to find the data |
| 10:45.53 | \amethyst | netcrash: also, you should not write to the filesystem at all |
| 10:46.04 | netcrash | \amethyst: not important , it was 4 files... Myproblem is having the filesystem working in record time again |
| 10:46.15 | antgel | is reminded to replace his clicking external usb backup disk |
| 10:46.28 | fireba11 | antgel: uhh ^^ |
| 10:46.44 | catsup | what does '?' in ls output indicate, stat(2) error? |
| 10:47.30 | \amethyst | catsup: yes, I believe |
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| 10:47.50 | \amethyst | netcrash: the first thing to find out, then, is whether it's a disk problem or a filesystem problem |
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| 10:48.12 | netcrash | well , I'm testing the disk right now , so hope to have that information soon |
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| 10:48.31 | \amethyst | netcrash: how are you testing? |
| 10:48.43 | netcrash | fsck -y /dev/sda3 |
| 10:48.50 | netcrash | fsck -yc |
| 10:49.39 | netcrash | \amethyst: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426409 , found this online ... about my current problem |
| 10:50.21 | \amethyst | netcrash: you get that error message (Freeing blocks not in datazone) ? |
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| 10:50.41 | netcrash | \amethyst: no |
| 10:50.58 | \amethyst | netcrash: then there's no reason to think it's the same problem |
| 10:51.01 | netcrash | I mean the part of the system becoming read only |
| 10:51.22 | \amethyst | netcrash: that happens whenever the kernel detects a serious filesystem or block device error |
| 10:51.35 | \amethyst | netcrash: it's a safety measure to prevent the corruption from getting worse |
| 10:51.59 | \amethyst | netcrash: fsck will fix the logical filesystem corruption, but that won't tell you if the disk is physically bad |
| 10:52.10 | netcrash | I imagine what would be doing this on a large scale system like on a array closet |
| 10:52.34 | netcrash | like a MD3000 with a problem of this kind ... |
| 10:52.35 | ronr | some more info, apache thinks it is terminated fine (the error.log on level debug says so), but it keeps running nonetheless |
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| 10:53.44 | \amethyst | netcrash: with something like that the RAID hardware will detect disk-level errors |
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| 10:54.23 | \amethyst | netcrash: (doesn't help with logical corruption due to filesystem bugs) |
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| 10:55.42 | \amethyst | netcrash: if you have the smartmontools package, I'd suggest running smartctl -l long /dev/sda (or whatever disk it is) |
| 10:55.59 | \amethyst | netcrash: err, that should be smartctl -t long /dev/sda |
| 10:56.19 | antgel | fireba11: eh? |
| 10:57.55 | ribasushi | can someone point me to documentation about creation of virtual debian packages? I need to declare a pile of dependencies quickly, and currently am using equivs to creaty dummy packages that depend on the stuff I need. There got to be a better way though... |
| 10:58.22 | antgel | ribasushi: you mean you have dependencies that aren't installed, or are installed from source? |
| 10:58.26 | themill | ribasushi: that's probably a sign that you're doing something wrong. Why do you need to create so many fake deps? |
| 10:58.41 | netcrash | \amethyst: thank you ... I'm still waiting for the fsck to finish |
| 10:58.43 | \amethyst | antgel: he wants to create a metapackage |
| 10:58.47 | antgel | ribasushi: and you're making a new debian package that has these deps? |
| 10:58.57 | antgel | \amethyst: ah |
| 10:59.02 | \amethyst | (I think) |
| 10:59.06 | fireba11 | antgel: well usually clicking is the sound of death (tm) :-) |
| 10:59.09 | antgel | \amethyst: hehe |
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| 10:59.31 | ribasushi | \amethyst: yes, install this single package instead of selecting a pile of libs manually |
| 10:59.44 | Zoup | hi all , there is a file which debian stores which application to use as terminal emulator , browser , mailclient , where can i set this ? |
| 10:59.48 | ribasushi | I server the equivs from my own repository that I added to sources |
| 10:59.48 | antgel | fireba11: oh, yes. yesterday's rsnapshot completed in the end but i don't trust it. maxtor(tm), i've always had bad experiences with them |
| 11:00.08 | antgel | ribasushi: so why can't you add them as normal dependencies? |
| 11:00.20 | antgel | !tell Zoup about alternatives |
| 11:00.22 | Zoup | my Firefox is unable to start sylpheed when i click on mail links , i guess i need to set sylpheed some where |
| 11:00.29 | ribasushi | antgel: add to what...? |
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| 11:00.42 | antgel | ribasushi: have you read the nmg? /msg dpkg nmg |
| 11:00.57 | themill | ribasushi: make a real package that just declares lots of dependencies. /msg dpkg nmg |
| 11:01.02 | themill | yeah, what he said |
| 11:01.09 | antgel | yeah, what he said |
| 11:01.16 | antgel | *snort* |
| 11:01.18 | themill | *snap* |
| 11:01.23 | antgel | go us! |
| 11:01.23 | ribasushi | um... this is what I do now with equivs anyway... |
| 11:01.30 | sep | ribasushi, you could make a task package or similar. |
| 11:01.34 | ribasushi | but it looks dirty, because there is no package as such |
| 11:01.39 | themill | the #debian hive mind... |
| 11:01.45 | ribasushi | sep: yes! and I asked for docs on how to do that |
| 11:01.53 | Bushmills | ribasushi, you could dpkg -set-selections with your wanted stuff, then let aptitude, apt-get or deselect complete retrieval and installation |
| 11:01.55 | ribasushi | sep: can't find any |
| 11:02.06 | themill | ribasushi: it's called a meta-package. like the kde, xorg, gnome etc metapackages |
| 11:02.18 | themill | ribasushi: it's not dirty at all... |
| 11:02.42 | Bushmills | dselect .. |
| 11:02.47 | BostjanPR2 | whats command to create directory ? |
| 11:02.48 | antgel | ribasushi: what do you mean "no package as such"? |
| 11:03.02 | ribasushi | themill: so my equivs way is pretty much correct? (I only declare Depends/Recommends, no Provides, etc) |
| 11:03.04 | sep | ribasushi, well you can look at the debian-edu package there are education-math education-science packages etc etc i think they do what you mean |
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| 11:03.18 | Silicium | hi there |
| 11:03.26 | BostjanPR2 | whats command to create directory in debian |
| 11:03.31 | BostjanPR2 | md not working |
| 11:03.35 | antgel | BostjanPR2: what is search the web? |
| 11:03.38 | ribasushi | BostjanPR2: mkdir, any linux |
| 11:03.41 | Silicium | how i can force aptitude to answer with yes? |
| 11:03.42 | BostjanPR2 | k |
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| 11:03.56 | Silicium | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y --without-recommends install blahkeks |
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| 11:04.04 | Silicium | this will not enaught |
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| 11:05.43 | BostjanPR2 | ok how about mount |
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| 11:06.07 | BostjanPR2 | argh gonna go to web |
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| 11:06.37 | Bert_2 | hi, why can't I upgrade openssh-client and openssh-server, for as far as I know this are those very important random-generator fixes |
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| 11:06.53 | themill | ribasushi: I've never used equivs except to fake a dependency being installed from source. I normally roll a real package. But I guess equivs would do it too. You cal also look at man 8 tasksel and in /usr/share/tasksel/*.desc. Or use dpkg selections or even aptitude selections (/msg dpkg debian clone) |
| 11:07.05 | themill | Bert_2: dist-upgrade not upgrade |
| 11:07.21 | Bert_2 | themill: okey, but why is that a dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:07.35 | Silicium | Bert_2: insert OpenBSD Install Disc |
| 11:07.49 | themill | Bert_2: because it requires new packages to be installed. man apt-get |
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| 11:08.07 | Bert_2 | themill: aaaaah, of course, thank you ;) |
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| 11:08.37 | Eric | my debian boot in read only mode, i dont why |
| 11:08.46 | Eric | whta can i do/check ? |
| 11:09.00 | Guerin | Eric: shutdown -rf now; as root |
| 11:09.30 | BostjanPR2 | mount /dev/dvdrom /mnt/dvd .. is this ok? |
| 11:09.42 | simNIX | Eric; are you booted in singel user mode ? |
| 11:09.43 | Guerin | BostjanPR2: man mount |
| 11:09.44 | BostjanPR2 | argh brb |
| 11:11.51 | Eric | no i booted on normal (not single) but last boot had errors, so i thing it turned it to ro on next boot |
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| 11:14.55 | Nyle | goodmorning |
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| 11:16.08 | telmich | hello |
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| 11:16.31 | binarymutant | how do I get devilspie to put a window in the lower right hand corner? it seems to only put it in the upper left |
| 11:16.48 | telmich | is there a clean debian way to assing an additional ipn to lo and set arp to off? |
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| 11:17.12 | vlt | msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 11:17.16 | Silicium | hey testi |
| 11:17.27 | Silicium | telmich: |
| 11:18.21 | telmich | imho the up command matches best for manual doing it, but that's not really what I want |
| 11:18.27 | themill | dpkg: ssl update is <reply> DSA1571 is addressed in packages for openssl (0.9.8c-4etch3), libssl (0.9.8c-4etch3), openssh-server (1:4.3p2-9etch1), openssh-client (1:4.3p2-9etch1), openssh-blacklist (0.1.1). To install them, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" (dist-upgrade required because new packages are being installed). Ask me about <ssh-vulnkey> <dsa1571>. |
| 11:18.27 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 11:19.00 | Nyle | Guerin, hi |
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| 11:21.37 | bostjan | um |
| 11:21.51 | bostjan | i set up workgroup in wins xp |
| 11:22.02 | bostjan | how i set it in debian |
| 11:22.13 | bostjan | so i can copy files from there here |
| 11:22.26 | bostjan | in interfaces ? |
| 11:22.30 | dimedo | hi there, my firefox doesn't seem to trust the CAs from the ca-certificate packet on ubuntu. is this default behavior? can i set up firefox to do so? (i know ubuntu != debian, but the ca-certificate structure seems quite similar) |
| 11:22.48 | billybongo | bostjan do you have samba installed? |
| 11:23.05 | antgel | !based on debian |
| 11:23.05 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 11:24.50 | vlt | Hello. I have some questions about the openssl vulnerability. Is there a special channel for this topic or can I ask it here? (I know I should not ask to ask ;) |
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| 11:25.10 | LimCore | good job, http://stats.denyhosts.net/stats.html |
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| 11:25.42 | BOSPUS2 | kay how i copy files from 1 ntfs hd to debian linux |
| 11:25.44 | BOSPUS2 | ? |
| 11:25.52 | ribasushi | vlt: check topic |
| 11:26.00 | BOSPUS2 | do i set up network in interfaces ? |
| 11:26.08 | CoolCold | who can clear for one question about apt-get ? |
| 11:26.21 | CoolCold | i'm doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:26.39 | AKX | Morning. I just ran apt-get update, but it did no changes, and apt-cache showpkg openssh-server says 1:47p1-8 (but I want -9, due to 1571). |
| 11:26.43 | CoolCold | after this i see The following packages have been kept back: openssh-client openssh-server |
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| 11:26.55 | CoolCold | but why they are kept back? |
| 11:26.58 | testi | Hi |
| 11:27.10 | AKX | Er, 1:4.7p1-8. Anyways, why isn't the testing repository updated to -9? |
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| 11:27.36 | testi | How can I regenerate openssh certificates/keys? |
| 11:27.52 | vlt | ribasushi: I did but couldn't find an asnwer to my question yet: Is it possible for some to actually log in to a machine with compromised *host* key or "only" to read traffic? |
| 11:28.01 | AKX | testi, read http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576 |
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| 11:28.16 | testi | Thanks AKX |
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| 11:28.54 | ribasushi | vlt: once you read traffic you have passwords, so you can login :) |
| 11:29.35 | ribasushi | vlt: also since you can guess the privkey, you can recreate someone else's id_rsa file and login to the same places he can |
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| 11:31.14 | themill | !tell testi about dsa1571 |
| 11:31.22 | slxix | debian-policy is quite larger than i thought it would be. |
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| 11:32.32 | vlt | ribasushi: In my case none of the authorized_keys were compromised, only the host key. A) Could an attacker reading traffic log in later when all logins were done using not compromised pubkey auth? B) Could an attacker analyze previously sniffed ssh packets? |
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| 11:33.19 | ribasushi | vlt: A - No, B - Yes (I am not a cryptologist though, might be wrong) |
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| 11:35.25 | vlt | ribasushi: Thank you. Is the password really going through the wire when using passwd auth? |
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| 11:36.18 | BOSPUS2 | how i make connection between 2 comps ? |
| 11:36.20 | ribasushi | vlt: depends on your sshd settings, but regardless of it being a clear text or hash - it's equaly vulnerable |
| 11:36.31 | vlt | BOSPUS2: Use a network cable? |
| 11:36.59 | BOSPUS2 | vlt i have both comps on net right now through router |
| 11:37.09 | BOSPUS2 | its just making them see each other |
| 11:37.24 | \amethyst | BOSPUS2: do they both have IP addresses? |
| 11:37.28 | BOSPUS2 | setting up workgroup or something |
| 11:38.01 | BOSPUS2 | they have same external ip but internally they have diffrent ones |
| 11:38.17 | vlt | ribasushi: I'm no cryptologist either. i just try to understand as much as possible. So what's the difference between passwd login (vulnerable) and pubkey login (safe) when an attacker can decrypt the connection? |
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| 11:38.37 | BOSPUS2 | i just need to set up that workgroup right ? |
| 11:38.45 | BOSPUS2 | i created one in wins |
| 11:39.01 | BOSPUS2 | but now i add network name in interfaces ? |
| 11:39.23 | ribasushi | vlt: if the pubkey itself is not vulnerable he can not guess the private part. basically when you do pubkey auth you have a key exchange within a tunnel created by another key exchange |
| 11:39.54 | vlt | BOSPUS2: The interface does only talk IP. Any workgroup stuff or something like that happens some layers above. |
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| 11:40.09 | ribasushi | vlt: if the outter shell (host key) breaks - you still can not recreate the ser rsa key by lookign at his public one (which otherwise would be hidden in the ssh stream) |
| 11:40.15 | BOSPUS2 | hum |
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| 11:40.24 | ribasushi | vlt: at least this is how I ake sense of it |
| 11:40.25 | BOSPUS2 | vlt u saying its not possible ? |
| 11:40.33 | BOSPUS2 | i already had this once |
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| 11:40.48 | BOSPUS2 | its internally done |
| 11:41.07 | slxix | !enter |
| 11:41.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 11:41.13 | vlt | BOSPUS2: I'm sure it's possible, it just has nearly nothing to do with the interface. |
| 11:41.16 | AKX | So guys, why aren't the package lists in testing updating to openssh-* 4.7p1-9? The pool files are there but..? |
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| 11:41.47 | BOSPUS2 | baiscally what i have to set up is network in linux right ? |
| 11:41.58 | BOSPUS2 | in wins its already set |
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| 11:42.11 | vlt | BOSPUS2: What exaclty do you want to achieve? |
| 11:42.13 | BOSPUS2 | edit interfaces and add workgroup ? |
| 11:42.30 | BOSPUS2 | i wanna move 1 web page from wins xp machine to linux |
| 11:42.35 | BOSPUS2 | coz apache is there |
| 11:42.56 | BOSPUS2 | move index.htm from one hd to another hd |
| 11:43.22 | vlt | BOSPUS2: apache talks HTTP over TCP, a "workgroup" sounds to me like needing samba. |
| 11:43.37 | \amethyst | I'm guessing you already asked in #munin ? |
| 11:43.38 | \amethyst | doh |
| 11:43.49 | Eric | how do i check my HD ? |
| 11:43.53 | themill | dpkg: why is openssh not in testing |
| 11:43.53 | dpkg | openssh is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openssh |
| 11:43.56 | themill | AKX: ^^ |
| 11:44.14 | vlt | BOSPUS2: If you only want to transfer files between two machines have a look at scp, rsync, or maybe "tar | nc". |
| 11:44.14 | slxix | Eric: check it for errors? |
| 11:44.15 | AKX | Thank you, themill. |
| 11:44.17 | Eric | yes |
| 11:44.19 | Bushmills | BOSPUS2: there are no "workgroups" in linux, that's a windows notion. |
| 11:44.36 | Eric | i remounted my disk to rw, now i need to checkdisk |
| 11:44.44 | Bushmills | therefore, "workgroups" don't affect linux networking |
| 11:44.51 | AKX | themill, is there a way to install it anyway? |
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| 11:45.05 | bostjan | ok this is the other machine .. bospus here |
| 11:45.16 | slxix | Eric: use fsck? |
| 11:45.30 | Eric | anything else ? |
| 11:45.35 | vlt | Eric: smartctl or badblocks for the disk, fsck for the file system integrity. |
| 11:45.43 | bostjan | scp |
| 11:45.45 | themill | AKX: There's a chance the packages are directly installable from sid. Else /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:45.55 | slxix | Eric: why would you want to use anything else? |
| 11:46.38 | cizzi | how can I refuse mail from a certain account without deleting the account? |
| 11:46.48 | cizzi | i dont want any incomming email to that account basically |
| 11:46.53 | Eric | ok |
| 11:47.01 | bostjan | do i mount a wins drive here in linux ? |
| 11:47.24 | Bushmills | cizzi: procmail or virtual mail recipients would help |
| 11:47.31 | cizzi | ok thanks |
| 11:47.47 | Eric | it says WARNING do not launch fsck on a mounted disk :( |
| 11:48.05 | vlt | bostjan: `mount` is the command. `man mount` shows you several options for NTFS file systems , for example. |
| 11:48.11 | Eric | smartctl: command not found |
| 11:48.23 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 11:49.39 | vlt | Eric: You need package "smartmontools" |
| 11:50.09 | Eric | ok thanks |
| 11:51.03 | vlt | Eric: smartctl uses the built in self monitoring functions of the hard disk while badblocks performs a complete read(/write) test to a block device. |
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| 11:55.45 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, if i execute a suid program through strace, does it lose its suid privileges? (in paricular i'm trying to figure out why ssh-keysign is failing on one host, but running ssh through strace makes host ssh-keysign fail on -any- host =/ |
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| 11:56.32 | Crypticfortune | s/makes host/makes/ |
| 11:58.21 | webman | I seem to be getting TCP packet errors between two hosts, what would be the best way to track down what is causing this? Switch, network card, ethernet driver in linux, they are the only options I can think of... but how to test them? |
| 11:59.39 | Crypticfortune | webman: try sending packets between them while avoiding each of your suspect items? (ie: swap one out, try some pings, rinse and repeat) |
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| 12:01.22 | abrotman | webman: cables? |
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| 12:02.39 | Eric | where do i activate boot logs ? |
| 12:02.45 | LimCore | heh, they are already scripts to exploit servers that allowed debian generated keys |
| 12:02.50 | Crypticfortune | heheh yes, that's the first one check. cables can be fiendish (i have one cable that seems to always drop about 10% of packets. it's evil to use as a prank =P |
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| 12:03.16 | webman | I don't think cables are it, I've tried multiple cables with no change |
| 12:04.40 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
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| 12:05.00 | Eric | ok thanks |
| 12:05.35 | Crypticfortune | webman: i just realized you said tcp errors. are there also ethernet errors? (should appear in ifconfig) |
| 12:05.42 | webman | I've actually got one "NFS Server" which has been working fine for a long time with no problem. It has 3 xen servers nearby, and the xen domU's use NFS root from this NFS server. All this is working very well. |
| 12:06.06 | webman | nope, ifconfig has 0 errors |
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| 12:07.13 | webman | now I added 2 identical new servers which are totally diskless, then boot via PXE, and run with NFS root |
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| 12:08.21 | webman | the onboard network card is not supported by the kernel, so I am using PCI network card, but I kind of suspect that linux may not support the network cards 100% or something... |
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| 12:09.32 | webman | The main way I noticed the errors is by getting "IO Errors" when doing simple things like "xm list" which should just list any running xen domU's (even when there are no clients running) |
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| 12:10.00 | msshams | i install cacti. but in the device tab it says: SNMP error. what is it?? |
| 12:10.42 | Skratz0r | Dual booting windows with Debian |
| 12:10.46 | Skratz0r | Do I install windows first? |
| 12:10.52 | Eric | my server boot as readonly, and nothing is logged in file that way, what can i do . |
| 12:10.57 | Skratz0r | And what settings should I back up? |
| 12:11.32 | Skratz0r | !tell Nyle about paste |
| 12:11.48 | ustunozgur | Skratz0r: you don't need to but it's better if you install windows first. |
| 12:12.01 | Skratz0r | ustunozgur; cool. |
| 12:12.04 | abrotman | Eric: fix whatever is making it boot EO |
| 12:12.06 | Crypticfortune | webman: not knowing what would be displayign "IO Errors" I'm kind of lost. but i'd also recommend building a custom kernel with the onboard network card driver included (this will also give you a way to check if it's the network card causing the issue) |
| 12:12.12 | abrotman | RO |
| 12:12.14 | Skratz0r | Anything I should/probably want to back up, ustunozgur? |
| 12:12.47 | Eric | i can not find what makes it boot on RO |
| 12:12.48 | ustunozgur | you have windows installed currently? |
| 12:13.11 | webman | just confirmed, tcpdump on the client side shows 1925 TCP checksum errors out of 5425 packets captured in 179 seconds |
| 12:13.11 | Skratz0r | ustunozgur; nope. I'm backing up Debian settings |
| 12:13.19 | Skratz0r | Just wondering what to Backup apart from Xorg.conf |
| 12:13.31 | ustunozgur | Home directory? |
| 12:13.57 | Skratz0r | Well, I haven't got anything in there. XP |
| 12:14.01 | webman | cryptic: well, I did try using the testing release, but I couldn't get xen to work properly.... should I try to use a kernel.org or one from debian ? |
| 12:14.14 | Skratz0r | I meant as in, settings that are annoying to do all over again |
| 12:14.17 | Crypticfortune | webman: checksum errors might be caused by the driver incorrectly trying to handle checksum offloading to the nic maybe? (just guessing) |
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| 12:14.59 | ustunozgur | Skratz0r: So you have debian installed. if you install windows now, grub will be written over. do you want to reinstall debian as well? |
| 12:15.14 | bahadunn | anyone know why ssh public key authentication stopped working in etch? |
| 12:15.21 | pacroon | I actually think the boot sector can be borked just by inserting the windows install cd |
| 12:15.44 | Crypticfortune | webman: oh you're trying to boot a xen kernel over a network? sounds tricky >_< but definitely use the one from debian (otherwise getting xen in there will be quite hard i think) |
| 12:15.45 | Skratz0r | ustunozgur; yes |
| 12:15.54 | Skratz0r | I intend to wipe the drive, install windows, then install Debian |
| 12:16.02 | Skratz0r | (That will work, right?) |
| 12:16.05 | ustunozgur | one more thing |
| 12:16.08 | ustunozgur | is your bios old? |
| 12:16.08 | Skratz0r | Yeah? |
| 12:16.13 | Skratz0r | Uh... Sort of. |
| 12:16.17 | Skratz0r | Why? |
| 12:16.35 | ustunozgur | i have an old computer and grub gave me 18 error because i had made the windows partition larger than 30 gb |
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| 12:16.51 | Skratz0r | Lol, It's going to be 10GB. - But thanks for the heads up |
| 12:16.58 | Skratz0r | Did you manage to solve it? |
| 12:17.03 | Skratz0r | The error? |
| 12:17.08 | ustunozgur | that's because bios can't map to kernels some 30 gb away from the start |
| 12:17.10 | ustunozgur | yes. |
| 12:17.12 | themill | !tell bahadunn about dsa1571 |
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| 12:17.21 | ustunozgur | I made a separate boot partition at the beginning |
| 12:17.21 | Skratz0r | ustunozgur; cool. |
| 12:17.25 | webman | crypticfortune: yeah, it was a pain, I needed to write a custom hook script in initramfs-tools to configure the network bridging before NFS was mounted,,,, otherwise I would lose NFS during the boot up and it would crash.... |
| 12:17.47 | ustunozgur | but it took about 2 hrs repartitioning that ntfs partition to make space for the boot partition |
| 12:17.53 | Skratz0r | Heh |
| 12:18.01 | Skratz0r | Well, i'm going to wipe the drive with the Windows install CD |
| 12:18.05 | bostjan | it says permanently added 127.0.0.1 to list of known hosts .. write failed .. broken pipe |
| 12:18.14 | Skratz0r | Make a partition about 10GB, install windows on that |
| 12:18.26 | Skratz0r | Then I can install debian on the space left over, yeah? |
| 12:18.33 | ustunozgur | yes |
| 12:18.35 | webman | so how do I use a kernel 2.6.23 or newer with debian stable .... (2.6.23 or newer will support the onboard ethernet) |
| 12:18.37 | Skratz0r | Nice. :) |
| 12:18.38 | simNIX | thats correct order |
| 12:18.41 | Skratz0r | Thanks for the help ustunozgur |
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| 12:18.48 | ustunozgur | you're welcome |
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| 12:20.00 | ustunozgur | installing windows first has the additional advantage that you don't have to boot into windows after debian is installed, ever :) |
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| 12:20.59 | Crypticfortune | webman: ugh, the trick will be getting xen into 2.6.23... you might want to look into grabbing a xen enabled kernel from another distro that's loading xen into newer kernels (like red hat?) |
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| 12:21.18 | jaggz- | what can I use if I want to show my CC accounts, interest, etc. so I can pay them off the best way possible? |
| 12:21.36 | jaggz- | aptitude search creditcard doesn't turn up software for this :} |
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| 12:22.06 | bahadunn | themill: thanks |
| 12:22.07 | DexterF | sep: "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." ooh. lucky me that I tried on a virtual machine first... |
| 12:22.19 | themill | bahadunn: no worries. |
| 12:22.36 | themill | bahadunn: also, /msg dpkg ssl update |
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| 12:23.07 | webman | crypticfortune: do you think a kernel from debian testing should work? |
| 12:23.11 | Crypticfortune | webman: though for now you're just trying to figure out what's causing your crazy checksums, so you might as well run a normal non-xen kernel (we have a bunch of diskless nodes running a kernel.org 2.6.24.2 kernel on debian stable with no serious problems) |
| 12:24.16 | JyZyXEL | root@grml ~ # resize2fs /dev/hda1 4400M |
| 12:24.16 | JyZyXEL | resize2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to resize /dev/hda1 |
| 12:24.29 | JyZyXEL | why is this happening |
| 12:25.08 | webman | crypticfortune: I want to minimise my chances of the system not working at all (they are remote so I can't easily debug boot problems).... |
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| 12:25.36 | webman | jyzyxel: you need to do the resize2fs BEFORE you change the partition/volume size |
| 12:25.52 | JyZyXEL | yea.. |
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| 12:25.55 | JyZyXEL | thats what im doing |
| 12:26.08 | Crypticfortune | webman: afaik a kernel from testing wouldn't have new drivers (but i'm not at all confident in that) |
| 12:26.48 | webman | crypticfortune: well, testing has 2.6.24 which should have newer drivers than 2.6.18 from stable ? |
| 12:27.19 | Crypticfortune | webman: ah, then probably you'd be good |
| 12:28.25 | themill | webman: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 12:28.39 | Crypticfortune | webman: except that the linux-image-xen packages are still based on the 2.6.18 kernel, so for getting it running with xen you're still kinda stuck... |
| 12:29.02 | themill | webman: ahh... sorry, the etchnhalf kernels are not going to support xen, aiui. But check the wiki. |
| 12:29.14 | webman | damn... |
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| 12:29.48 | bahadunn | themill: I knew about the vuln and have done updates I just did not know current public keys would stop working |
| 12:30.16 | webman | damn, I've been trying to solve these problems for 6 months now..... so far I found one of them had a faulty RAM chip, and upgraded RAM on the NFS server, and increased NFS threads on the server.... |
| 12:30.24 | themill | bahadunn: DSA1576 describes what the new ssh packages do. That's one of the things they do :) |
| 12:30.37 | bahadunn | themill: yes I see that now |
| 12:30.39 | bahadunn | :-P |
| 12:30.41 | concave | i'm trying to find a specific (old) version of debian, and i'm not having any luck. i'm looking for v3.1r4, and i can't find it. the best i've got is this strange directory: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/3.1_r4/ |
| 12:30.49 | webman | anyway, I'll try a debian testing kernel without xen, and see if I can at least resolve the TCP checksum prob... thanks |
| 12:30.54 | bahadunn | themill: thanks for the information though I got things all fixed up now |
| 12:31.05 | themill | bahadunn: excellent :) |
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| 12:32.04 | lvh | hello |
| 12:32.06 | concave | is there an archive of old debian isos anywhere? |
| 12:32.16 | lvh | are there any ffox 3.0b5 debian packages? :-) |
| 12:32.26 | azeem | lvh: not in stable or testing |
| 12:32.27 | lvh | concave: most mirrors I know carry a lot of old stuff |
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| 12:32.38 | Crypticfortune | webman: diskless clusters are tricky. ours eat up a lot of my time too.... (in fact, i'm stil trying to figure out the diskless "mothernode" suddenly lost the ability to do host based ssh to the daughter nodes... >_<;; |
| 12:32.59 | lvh | azeem: right, gogo gadget apt pinning? |
| 12:33.04 | lvh | dpkg: tell me about pinning |
| 12:33.19 | azeem | lvh: they are in experimental |
| 12:33.26 | concave | lvh, maybe i'm just being a doltz this morning. i'm going to check an ftp mirror instead of http (hoping it will make a difference...). do you have a "favorite" mirror? |
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| 12:33.28 | lvh | azeem: so, pinning :-) |
| 12:33.58 | abrotman | concave: whic version? |
| 12:34.04 | lvh | concave: ftp.debian.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be -- thats my university so whenever im on campus I have a 100mbit direct link to the server, gbit if im lucky :) |
| 12:34.06 | concave | 3.1r4 |
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| 12:34.23 | webman | crypticfortune: well, I do feel that when I eventually reach my goal, that things will be much easier to maintain/grow/etc... |
| 12:34.26 | lvh | concave: oops, sorry |
| 12:34.30 | lvh | concave: i meant ftp://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/ |
| 12:34.38 | lvh | concave: was thinking of ftp.be.debian.org :)P |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | concave: there is a CD archive that has it |
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| 12:35.22 | m_g | anybody know how i can enable exim4 to allow sending to remote addresses? i currently get relaying denied |
| 12:35.34 | m_g | and i don't see an option for that in update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 12:35.36 | bostjan | argh i typed mount \dev\cd1 \mnt\cdrom .. it says u must specify filesystem type |
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| 12:37.00 | themill | bostjan: use / not \ |
| 12:37.07 | Wyzard | bostjan: wrong kind of slashes, and /dev/cd1 probably doesn't actually exist (the link created by udev would be /dev/cdrom1) |
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| 12:37.35 | bostjan | k |
| 12:37.45 | lvh | bostjan: also, are you sure you want 1? Judging by /dev/cd* you're just guessing. Remember that devices are zero-indexed in almost all cases |
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| 12:37.52 | Crypticfortune | webman: just for the sake of testing, you should be able to bring up the onboard ethernet after booting from the suspicious pci etehrnet, right? then you can see if that has the same checksum problem |
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| 12:38.32 | bostjan | still the same |
| 12:38.40 | themill | bostjan: "mount /cdrom" will probably work |
| 12:38.50 | bostjan | used mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 12:38.51 | lvh | bostjan: did you read the last thing i said? |
| 12:39.03 | bostjan | yes lvh i used 0 also |
| 12:39.06 | webman | crypticfortune: I can't boot from the PCI card, I am booting from the onboard ethernet, but once linux boots into the initrd I loose the onboard and it starts using the PCI card.... I have two ethernet cables connected to the same switch |
| 12:39.13 | bostjan | used mount /dev/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom |
| 12:39.16 | bostjan | also |
| 12:39.18 | lvh | themill: mount /cdrom? what kind of shoddy configuration has a cdrom mountpoint (or even worse -- a cdrom DEVICE) in the root directory? |
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| 12:39.27 | Wyzard | wonders if Debian will release a 4.0r4 with the fixed OpenSSL |
| 12:39.32 | themill | lvh: etch's installer does |
| 12:39.32 | lvh | bostjan: are you sure /dev/cdrom0 is what you want |
| 12:39.43 | bostjan | i want to mount cdrom |
| 12:39.50 | azeem | Wyzard: eventually, yes |
| 12:39.50 | bostjan | so i can copy files from cd |
| 12:39.57 | lvh | themill: i think bostjan is no longer in the installer, or is he/ |
| 12:40.03 | Wyzard | lvh: That was the default for quite awhile, though I'm not sure whether it is anymore |
| 12:40.30 | lvh | WTH? |
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| 12:40.47 | themill | lvh: the system installed by the etch installer creates /cdrom as the mountpoint for the cd. |
| 12:40.52 | lvh | Wyzard: you mean, in ancient releases? I used RH back then, and they just used /mnt |
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| 12:41.10 | catsup | bostjan: type mount /dev/cdrom[tab] /mnt |
| 12:41.24 | lvh | themill: I thought that was just a symlink to media/cdrom |
| 12:41.24 | BOSPUS2 | hm |
| 12:41.35 | Bleupomme | Hello, How do I add an option to pure-ftp in DEBIAN? |
| 12:41.36 | themill | lvh: it is |
| 12:41.45 | concave | thanks for the link, lvh, but i'm not having any luck. abrotman, do you know specifically which archive has 3.1r4? |
| 12:41.47 | lvh | themill: ah, that explains a lot :-) |
| 12:42.10 | stew | Bleupomme: by creating a file in /etc/pure-ftpd |
| 12:42.18 | Crypticfortune | webman: err right...sorry forgot. gotta use the newer kernel... or buy another $5 pci ethernet card ;) |
| 12:42.30 | themill | lvh: it used not be, but from etch (or maybe sarge... not sure) onwards it's only a symlink. mount /cdrom should still work though |
| 12:42.32 | stew | Bleupomme: you can look at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper to see a list of possibilities |
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| 12:42.40 | Bleupomme | stew:could you give me more details or a link? |
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| 12:42.55 | Bleupomme | stew: ok thanks I will try |
| 12:42.55 | zarnozC | I wish people sent their old computers to me. |
| 12:42.57 | themill | lvh: because it's listed in fstab, you only need "mount mountpoint" rather than "mount what where" |
| 12:43.23 | Wyzard | lvh: In Debian, in previous releases (before udev came along and gave us dynamic creation of mountpoints in /media) |
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| 12:43.37 | volker__ | hi |
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| 12:43.58 | abrotman | concave: specifically r4? |
| 12:44.01 | lvh | themill: I know that, but /cdrom just seems like a horrible mount point name to me |
| 12:44.04 | Wyzard | lvh: It used to be one of the first things I'd change after finishing an installation |
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| 12:44.13 | concave | abrotman, yep |
| 12:44.22 | Wyzard | lvh: along with the vmlinuz symlink being in / rather than /boot |
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| 12:44.48 | lvh | Wyzard: dont forget initrd.img |
| 12:44.53 | Bleupomme | stew: thank you, worked perfectly |
| 12:44.57 | Wyzard | yes, that too |
| 12:45.15 | abrotman | concave: hod on |
| 12:45.45 | lvh | who the hell let that in anyway |
| 12:45.52 | zarnozC | How to I open my cryptosetup luks thing? |
| 12:45.54 | themill | lvh: it's historical. It's also difficult to get rid of |
| 12:45.56 | catsup | if you're going to remove vmlinuz from / you might as well rename it 'kernel' or something |
| 12:45.57 | volker__ | can some give me the last line of the following command: "strace -o /tmp/.foo ssh-vulnkey;grep "RSA1-2048" /tmp/.foo"? |
| 12:46.04 | catsup | or 'linux' |
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| 12:46.22 | volker__ | i'm kinda confused about the unknown lines and it looks like its not finding the specific file |
| 12:46.23 | lvh | themill: how so? is there some vital, key part that needs /cdrom instead of /media/cdrom or /mnt/cdrom? |
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| 12:46.51 | abrotman | i can't find r4 |
| 12:46.58 | DexterF | so.. how do I regenerate the ssh keys? no apace here, only ssh key logins here |
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| 12:47.33 | volker__ | DexterF: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 12:47.37 | Eulex | DexterF, login keys or host keys? |
| 12:47.38 | lvh | DexterF: man ssh-keygen |
| 12:47.54 | DexterF | Eulex: I guess both are affected? |
| 12:48.12 | themill | DexterF: also /msg dpkg dsa1571 and /msg dpkg ssh-vulnkey |
| 12:48.15 | Eulex | DexterF, yes, both |
| 12:48.15 | catsup | DexterF: only those generated with certain versions |
| 12:48.23 | volker__ | DexterF: "sudo ssh-vulnkey -a" |
| 12:48.34 | Wyzard | DexterF: If you can only do key logins, make sure you log into the remote machine before you generate your new user key, and stay logged until after you've updated the remote .ssh/authorized_keys to contain the new public key instead of the old one |
| 12:48.40 | catsup | if you installed debian long enough ago, your site key should be ok |
| 12:48.40 | volker__ | DexterF: everything else on the url above |
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| 12:48.46 | Eulex | catsup, you should regenerate strong ones that have been used by a weak openssl, though |
| 12:49.12 | catsup | Eulex: eh? |
| 12:49.20 | volker__ | great, looks like noone here cares about a possible ssh-vulnkey bug |
| 12:49.28 | Crypticfortune | Eulex, catsup: that only applies to DSA keys (irc) |
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| 12:49.58 | themill | lvh: decades of programs that assume /cdrom exists... that's your problem. And /media/cdrom is often /media/cdrom0 anyway... so /cdrom still has some cred as being the "main" one in some way. |
| 12:50.02 | volker__ | Crypticfortune: if it would be just DSA, then their wouldnt be blacklisted RSA files... |
| 12:50.19 | Bushmills | why is that? private (local, strong) key should be safe even when connecting to a compromised server |
| 12:50.20 | volker__ | Crypticfortune: check your /etc/ssh/blacklist* |
| 12:50.29 | lvh | themill: debian specific stuff? I havent touched fedora core, but rhl never had /cdrom iirc |
| 12:50.45 | themill | Bushmills: not with dsa, apparently. |
| 12:50.47 | Eulex | volker__, I guess that was a response to me going "you should regenerate strong ones that have been used by a weak openssl, though" |
| 12:50.55 | JyZyXEL | root@grml ~ # resize2fs /dev/hda1 4400M |
| 12:50.55 | JyZyXEL | resize2fs: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to resize /dev/hda1 |
| 12:51.02 | Crypticfortune | volker__: nono, i mean re: "you shoudl regenerate strong ones that have been used by a weak openssl" |
| 12:51.03 | JyZyXEL | whats causing it? |
| 12:51.10 | DexterF | Wyzard: so: ssh into the box with the passwdless login, then regenerate on the local machine..? wouldn't ssh-copy-id take care of that..? |
| 12:51.10 | Bushmills | themill: that's mean, dsa would be unsafe to use anywhere. |
| 12:51.18 | concave | abrotman, i think i found it! http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:51.30 | Bushmills | themill: because one can't be sure that the machine one connects to isn't compromised |
| 12:51.33 | catsup | JyZyXEL: probably your disk is bad |
| 12:51.40 | JyZyXEL | what does that mean? |
| 12:51.42 | catsup | JyZyXEL: are you running smartmon? |
| 12:51.47 | Wyzard | DexterF: ssh-copy-id needs to log in, which it can't do if you've replaced the bad key with the new one |
| 12:51.58 | JyZyXEL | catsup S.M.A.R.T? |
| 12:52.01 | catsup | yes |
| 12:52.12 | JyZyXEL | no wai 6 GB HD has that |
| 12:52.21 | catsup | oh |
| 12:52.26 | DexterF | Wyzard: well, I can still login by password |
| 12:52.28 | Wyzard | DexterF: You need to do that somehow from an existing login session (I used vi to edit .ssh/authorized_keys, and just backspaced the old key and pasted in the new one) |
| 12:52.28 | lvh | dpkg: tell me about firefox beta |
| 12:52.32 | JyZyXEL | wtf kind of conclusion is that |
| 12:52.36 | JyZyXEL | the HD is broken?? |
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| 12:52.52 | volker__ | JyZyXEL: check dmesg output |
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| 12:53.03 | catsup | Wyzard: that's a bad idea... |
| 12:53.04 | Wyzard | DexterF: oh, you said "only ssh key logins" and I thought you meant password login was disabled |
| 12:53.10 | JyZyXEL | well ill check after e2fsck -f /dev/hda1 is done |
| 12:53.17 | Wyzard | catsup: How so? |
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| 12:53.24 | catsup | Wyzard: i mean, editing authorized_keys with vi |
| 12:53.37 | DexterF | Wyzard: aah, ok - no, the "only" meant that's all ssl/ssh stuff I do, no webservers, cert auths or sumsuch |
| 12:53.39 | themill | catsup: why? that's how it used to always be done |
| 12:53.41 | Wyzard | catsup: It's just a text file, one ASCII-encoded key per line |
| 12:53.59 | DexterF | Wyzard: so I go there and just kill any authorized_keys and that's it |
| 12:54.03 | catsup | themill: what do you mean that's how it used to always be done? |
| 12:54.17 | JyZyXEL | ohh yea here we go |
| 12:54.23 | JyZyXEL | dmesg is full of errors |
| 12:54.25 | Wyzard | DexterF: yeah, if you can log in with a password then ssh-copy-id is fine |
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| 12:54.58 | Wyzard | DexterF: though I used vi anyway since I have my authorized_keys file organized with comments and keys grouped together, so I wanted to put the new key into a certain place in the middle of the file rather than appending it to the end |
| 12:55.00 | themill | catsup: editing authorized_keys |
| 12:55.14 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/d405bb160 |
| 12:55.16 | JyZyXEL | check that out |
| 12:55.28 | JyZyXEL | WHAT is that O.O |
| 12:55.33 | volker__ | can give me anyone the following output?"strace -o /tmp/.foo ssh-vulnkey > /dev/null;grep "RSA1-2048" /tmp/.foo"? |
| 12:55.34 | Wyzard | DexterF: oops, nevermind, that's known_hosts I'm thinking of |
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| 12:55.41 | DexterF | Wyzard: only three machines here, no big deal. I'll go with the dumb method |
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| 12:56.17 | Wyzard | volker__: I get no mention of RSA1-2048 in that file, and I have no blacklist.RSA1-2048 in /etc/ssh (only blacklist.RSA-2048 and blacklist.DSA-1024) |
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| 12:56.37 | volker__ | Wyzard: which version do you run? |
| 12:56.42 | Wyzard | volker__: sid |
| 12:56.57 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, umh, I'd replace that hard drive, if that is during normal operation |
| 12:57.07 | Wyzard | volker__: but my router runs etch and there's no blacklist.RSA1-2048 there either |
| 12:57.07 | Bushmills | DexterF: wget from clients, or where you collected the pub keys, and cat key(s) >> authorized_keys is an alternative. |
| 12:57.07 | elif | hi, I can find manpages for gcc cpp, etc in my debian box, (flavor testing), what are the packages to install ? |
| 12:57.13 | catsup | themill: well, wtf? do you mean to say that, previously (before, say, the year 2000) nobody ever typed (say) cp .ssh/identity .ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 12:57.14 | Bushmills | DexterF: scripatable if needed |
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| 12:57.19 | elif | *can't |
| 12:57.19 | Bushmills | scriptable |
| 12:57.20 | volker__ | Wyzard: that looks like a broken harddrive. copy all needed data as quick as possible |
| 12:57.27 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, oh, and fyi, my old laptop with a 6gb hdd has smart |
| 12:57.35 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 12:57.41 | volker__ | JyZyXEL: and then check the cables |
| 12:57.49 | Wyzard | volker__: no, my hard drive is not broken |
| 12:57.54 | volker__ | elif: gcc + cpp |
| 12:58.07 | volker__ | Wyzard: ok, so why u get then all the I/O errors? |
| 12:58.25 | Eulex | volker__, JyZyXEL did? |
| 12:58.25 | elif | volker__: gcc package ? |
| 12:58.31 | Wyzard | volker__: I think you mean JyZyXEL |
| 12:58.34 | volker__ | elif: yes |
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| 12:58.47 | volker__ | Wyzard: oh, sorry. true. sorry :) |
| 12:58.53 | elif | volker__: well I have gcc installed, I don't have its manpages... |
| 12:58.57 | volker__ | JyZyXEL: looks like a broken harddrive |
| 12:59.05 | JyZyXEL | ?? |
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| 12:59.10 | JyZyXEL | seriosly? |
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| 12:59.15 | themill | catsup: and how did you get .ssh/identity from one machine to the other? The easiest and most common way was to paste it into an editing session over the ssh link. (and it's the public key that goes into the authorized_keys file, not the private key) |
| 12:59.22 | Crypticfortune | volker__: i get no output from your command |
| 12:59.38 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, if that is a 6gb hdd, it _is_ old enough to begin to die of old age. |
| 12:59.39 | fireba11 | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 12:59.40 | catsup | themill: um, if you have a ssh link, scp will do it |
| 12:59.45 | themill | !tell elif about gcc-doc |
| 12:59.48 | JyZyXEL | well o.o |
| 12:59.48 | volker__ | Crypticfortune: version? |
| 12:59.57 | themill | catsup: scp is a recent addition to ssh |
| 12:59.57 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, ... which the hdd in my old laptop _also_ has started doing. |
| 12:59.59 | catsup | themill: but nevermind. i just don't understand how you can say it used to always be done with vi |
| 13:00.03 | Crypticfortune | volker__: version of what? debian? etch |
| 13:00.05 | volker__ | elif: packages.debian.org -> gcc.1.gz -> gcc-doc |
| 13:00.08 | Eulex | thankfully I don't use it anymore. |
| 13:00.12 | elif | themill: gcc-doc its only in info tex format, not manpages |
| 13:00.16 | volker__ | Crypticfortune: thanks! |
| 13:00.18 | catsup | themill: rcp |
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| 13:00.40 | catsup | themill: how long as rcp had -S ? |
| 13:00.42 | themill | catsup: yeah, because I ever enabled that on any machine I owned. |
| 13:00.55 | catsup | themill: rcp over the ssh link, of course |
| 13:01.02 | volker__ | elif: just tex? thats why man1/gcc.1.gz is in gcc-doc package? :) |
| 13:01.30 | elif | volker__: strange, last time I installed I couldn't find... :( |
| 13:01.52 | Eulex | catsup, you can transfer stuff by piping to ssh and redirecting at the client side |
| 13:02.00 | catsup | Eulex: that too |
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| 13:02.00 | volker__ | elif: check "/usr/share/man/man1/gcc.1.gz" and then ur settings |
| 13:02.06 | fireba11 | can someone tell me why i would get lots of http://pastebin.com/d349e1809 those lately ? it seems to be from network package mumbojumbo .. |
| 13:02.07 | Eulex | cat blah.txt | ssh server "cat > blah.txt" |
| 13:02.23 | volker__ | elif: errm 'ls -l /usr/...man1/gcc1.gz' |
| 13:02.32 | catsup | Eulex: that's handy if you want to copy a block device over the network |
| 13:02.38 | themill | catsup: rcp on many of the old unixen I deal with most definitely does not support -S. That only starts with the advent of scp, really. (and rcp is now scp on most machines) |
| 13:02.44 | elif | volker__: ok, thks |
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| 13:03.28 | webman | will ssh pass binary data safely ? |
| 13:03.40 | Eulex | catsup, and don't have access to scp |
| 13:03.41 | catsup | webman: if you disable escapes, yes |
| 13:03.51 | Eulex | webman, I never had problems with it. |
| 13:04.08 | volker__ | webman: perhaps not ssh, but scp |
| 13:04.28 | webman | so you could do something like tar -cvf - / | ssh user@host tar -xvf - /blah |
| 13:04.29 | Eulex | and I've transferred entire compressed contents of block devices. |
| 13:04.41 | catsup | ssh -e none |
| 13:04.48 | themill | webman: yeah, that works. |
| 13:04.53 | vlt | Hello. How can I only duplicate a partition table, not the whole MBR? Some `sfdik` magic? |
| 13:05.13 | Eulex | webman, you do perhaps need "" around the command, though |
| 13:05.20 | catsup | you need to specify -e none |
| 13:05.45 | Eulex | catsup, guess I was just lucky then, will remember that |
| 13:05.57 | catsup | otherwise, some file that contains \n~. will close your connection |
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| 13:06.08 | themill | !tell monkey123 about root |
| 13:06.11 | webman | better? tar -cvf - / | ssh -e none -C user@host "tar -xvf - /blah" |
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| 13:06.46 | catsup | webman: that will work. look into rsync ;) |
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| 13:07.21 | webman | catsup: yeah, I use rsync all the time :) love it in fact.... but can't have too many tools in your pocket can you :) |
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| 13:07.23 | JyZyXEL | well how do i reverse this: tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/hda1 |
| 13:07.24 | catsup | wonder if ssh -C works better than tar -z ? |
| 13:07.43 | Bushmills | vlt: partition table is just behind the bootstrap code. bytes 128..191 iirc |
| 13:07.55 | webman | catsup: should be about the same, I think they both use zlib compression .... |
| 13:08.01 | catsup | JyZyXEL: dude, you have some sort of psychological block; your disk seems to be failing. bakc up your data while (if) you still can |
| 13:08.10 | Eulex | catsup, "The compression algorithm is the same used by gzip(1)" |
| 13:08.19 | catsup | yes but do they use the same block size? |
| 13:08.20 | JyZyXEL | i want it back to ext3 tho |
| 13:08.34 | Bushmills | vlt, means, you can copy it with dd |
| 13:08.35 | JyZyXEL | oh well who cares |
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| 13:08.57 | stew | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 13:09.00 | liable | just rune tune2fs -J |
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| 13:09.30 | vlt | Bushmills: I used dd to backup the whole MBR and the first 63 sectors. Now I need to restore the partition table only. |
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| 13:09.46 | webman | doesn't mount -t ext3 /dev/blah /blah convert an ext2 to an ext3 ? (I never used ext3, so I don't know much about it) |
| 13:10.07 | liable | webman: no |
| 13:10.19 | liable | webman: you can mount ext3 as ext2 though |
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| 13:11.23 | Bushmills | vlt, sorry, me wrong with offset $80. here is layout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 13:12.26 | webman | is "etchnhalf" mirrored on all debian mirrors? or only on ftp.debian.org ? |
| 13:12.29 | Eric | can i reinstall linux wthout formatting all partitions ? |
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| 13:12.37 | Bushmills | eric, yes |
| 13:12.51 | themill | webman: it's in mirrors that have etch-proposed-updates which is most but not all mirrors |
| 13:12.51 | dFence | somebody please motivate me >_< |
| 13:12.59 | themill | !lart dFence |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | beats dFence to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 13:13.08 | themill | dFence: like that? |
| 13:13.10 | Bushmills | Eric: but what does "install" mean then? |
| 13:13.27 | dFence | themill: hit me baby one more time!! |
| 13:13.28 | vlt | Bushmills: I hoped that there was a tool I could more rely on ... like {c,s,}fdisk ... |
| 13:13.55 | Bushmills | vlt: there is a tool: dd |
| 13:13.55 | tecky | moooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 13:13.58 | tecky | :D |
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| 13:14.09 | vlt | Bushmills: :) |
| 13:14.26 | catsup | vlt: what's wrong with sfdisk ? |
| 13:14.47 | vlt | catsup: I'm just not sure if it's the right tool for the task |
| 13:14.55 | catsup | for backing up partitions? |
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| 13:15.16 | vlt | catsup: Yes, duplicating to another disk |
| 13:15.25 | catsup | vlt: it is the right tool. exactly the right tool |
| 13:15.32 | vlt | catsup: Thank you. |
| 13:15.33 | catsup | there is no righter tool |
| 13:15.40 | vlt | catsup: ok ok |
| 13:15.47 | catsup | :) |
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| 13:16.04 | DexterF | vlt: sfdisk -d <sourcedisk> | sfdisk <target> |
| 13:16.07 | catsup | no |
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| 13:16.13 | DexterF | huh? |
| 13:16.31 | catsup | oh nm |
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| 13:16.59 | Bushmills | vlt: i suppose a tool might be a two-edged sword - it invites to using without awareness of the actions or consequences. dd has a bit of inherent protection for these kind of operations, making it more likely that the user knows what he's doing. |
| 13:17.10 | tecky | i'm still trying to figure out why my ncurses applications are all screwed up on the displaying of items to the screen since installing X11 |
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| 13:17.24 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, would any of the recent security updates have caused /usr/lib/openssh/ssh-keysign to lose its formerly set suid bit? |
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| 13:18.05 | Crypticfortune | (or do i have to go find and beat one of the other admins with their own laptop?) |
| 13:18.23 | catsup | Crypticfortune: a beating will be required |
| 13:18.25 | themill | Crypticfortune: time to pick up your cluebat |
| 13:18.48 | Crypticfortune | grumbles and apt-gets heavy-weapons |
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| 13:19.48 | vlt | catsup: To be sure to not b0rk something: Does `sfdisk -d /dev/old_device | sfdisk /dev/new_device` look rightest to you? |
| 13:20.20 | catsup | vlt: yeah |
| 13:20.26 | vlt | catsup: ty |
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| 13:20.42 | catsup | that will not b0rk anything, unless /dev/new_device is something you don't want to put a new partition table onto |
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| 13:22.32 | themill | vlt: I presume these are the same sized disk etc? or at least the newer disk is bigger than the old disk |
| 13:22.55 | m_g | how to enable exim4 for letting localhost relay? |
| 13:23.00 | catsup | that doesn't matter, as long as the partitions fit |
| 13:23.01 | vlt | themill: Actually they are the very same disk ;) |
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| 13:23.40 | themill | vlt: I presume you mean two identical disks rather than the same disk :) |
| 13:23.46 | Bushmills | m_g: not needed. relaying is, passing on mail coming from remote1 to remote2 |
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| 13:24.02 | catsup | i wonder if that command would work if they were the same disk |
| 13:24.11 | hipodilski | By mistake I did deleted a directory is there a wayto recover it I'm using ext3 as a filesystem |
| 13:24.17 | catsup | i bet it would |
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| 13:24.26 | m_g | Bushmills, oh then i want to ask something different maybe.. i want to allow a program to make up its own "from address", but now i get "551 relaying denied" errors |
| 13:24.30 | m_g | which i hadnt before i reinstalled exim |
| 13:24.33 | vlt | themill: No, the same disk. I need to restore the partition table only but used `dd` to backup the whole MBR before. |
| 13:24.34 | catsup | sfdisk probably wouldn't write anything 'til it read the entire input |
| 13:24.40 | m_g | and i dont remember the configuration option |
| 13:25.02 | Bushmills | m_g: i suspect your smtp server doesn't recognize itself under the given destination server address |
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| 13:25.08 | catsup | vlt: wtf? |
| 13:25.12 | xsd | how can i mirror two folders? |
| 13:25.15 | catsup | vlt: what are you copying from? |
| 13:25.38 | f00li5h | xsd: rsyn? |
| 13:25.43 | Bushmills | m_g: so it thinks it has to send that email somewhere else to, thinking it is relaying, which it refuses then. |
| 13:25.43 | vlt | catsup: A file containing the old MBR. |
| 13:25.45 | m_g | Bushmills, do you mean the dc_other_hostnames option? |
| 13:26.14 | catsup | hipodilski: there is not really a way, anyway not an easy one |
| 13:26.22 | vlt | catsup: The whole MBR. And I need to restore the table only. |
| 13:26.32 | Bushmills | m_g: sounds like it. i actually don't know the exim config :) that issue is an smtp server generic one. |
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| 13:26.44 | m_g | Bushmills, ohh i think you just gave me a great idea, let me check |
| 13:26.58 | xsd | f00li5h, rsync is cumbersome, is there a more appropriate wrapper program? |
| 13:27.11 | f00li5h | cumbersome? how? |
| 13:27.26 | fireba11 | xsd : rsync is by far the best tool for that task |
| 13:27.32 | volker__ | bye |
| 13:27.35 | Bushmills | probably "requires cmd line arguments" :) |
| 13:28.07 | xsd | but i need it to mirror each time something changes instantly |
| 13:28.11 | vlt | Erm, btw, where's the info about partitions >= hda5 stored on the disk? At the beginning of the extended "container" partition (hda2 in my case)? |
| 13:28.34 | Bushmills | xsd, look at incron, to monitor changes. call rsync from it when it changes |
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| 13:28.48 | catsup | vlt: where's what info? |
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| 13:30.18 | catsup | xsd: you want GFS or something like that |
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| 13:30.56 | ehird | I have bluecurve installed (I alien'd fedora's redhat-artwork RPM). It works fine but when I start an app from the terminal it says it can't find 'bluecurve' in the module path. Still starts though. |
| 13:30.59 | ehird | How can I resolve this? |
| 13:31.02 | Bushmills | (incron has nothing to do with cron, btw) |
| 13:31.26 | xsd | catsup, gfs? |
| 13:31.28 | azeem | ehird: move things to the right places, I guess |
| 13:31.33 | dob1 | i don't understand how to use the openssh-blacklist package to check if the key is vulnerabile |
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| 13:31.46 | vlt | catsup: I got hda1, hda2 (extended), hda5 and hda6. `sfdisk -d` only shows me hda1 and hda2 |
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| 13:31.55 | azeem | ehird: check other theme packages for what the right place is, maybe |
| 13:32.03 | catsup | xsd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System |
| 13:32.06 | Yass | Hola, alguien me puede decir el controlador que tengo que poner en la configuración de las X para una vesa? |
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| 13:32.12 | azeem | !es |
| 13:32.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:32.22 | ehird | azeem: it starts with bluecurve though |
| 13:32.25 | ehird | so ... it's working |
| 13:32.29 | ehird | just can't find it in module_path. |
| 13:32.34 | catsup | vlt: hda5 and hda6 are not in the mbr |
| 13:32.34 | k`sOSe | is there a blacklist of 1024bytes RSA keys ? |
| 13:32.34 | ehird | which ... seems bizzare to me |
| 13:32.48 | k`sOSe | i see only blacklist.RSA-2048 on /etc/ssh |
| 13:32.53 | azeem | ehird: can't find what? |
| 13:33.02 | ehird | azeem: (gedit:4490): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "bluecurve", |
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| 13:33.11 | ehird | even so, it starts and is in bluecurve perfectly fine |
| 13:33.18 | azeem | ehird: so ignore the warning? |
| 13:33.22 | ehird | I'd just like to, well, let it locate it in module_path so it STFUs |
| 13:33.26 | ehird | azeem: well, technically, it's not the same |
| 13:33.29 | ehird | the buttons are a bit different |
| 13:33.30 | azeem | what |
| 13:33.33 | ehird | but yeah I would like to resolve it |
| 13:33.37 | Silicium | ignore is better than fix! |
| 13:33.38 | azeem | see above |
| 13:33.42 | Silicium | see libssl |
| 13:33.45 | Silicium | :D |
| 13:33.45 | ehird | Silicium: quite |
| 13:33.54 | ehird | azeem: well, thanks, if I wanted to ignore it I would |
| 13:34.04 | ehird | unfortunately for this line of conversation, I don't |
| 13:34.06 | azeem | ehird: eh see above for suggestions on how to fix it |
| 13:34.15 | ehird | yes, I am |
| 13:34.19 | azeem | great |
| 13:34.27 | catsup | vlt: an extended partition is a link to another partition table outside the mbr |
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| 13:35.20 | scanf | is there a channel for debian-exim? |
| 13:35.21 | vlt | catsup: Ok, So to really store the whole partition table I need to run sfdisk on the whole disk, not just a dd dumped mbr, right? |
| 13:35.24 | azeem | scanf: this one |
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| 13:35.32 | catsup | vlt: right |
| 13:35.35 | Skratz0r | Bah |
| 13:35.51 | Skratz0r | I cant get WinXP Essentials to install. (Big surprise...) |
| 13:35.53 | vlt | starts crying silently |
| 13:36.00 | catsup | ha |
| 13:36.02 | ehird | azeem: A nice first step would be to get a dump of module_path |
| 13:36.04 | catsup | you lost your partition table eh? |
| 13:36.06 | ehird | to get an idea of where it's looking ... |
| 13:36.20 | catsup | vlt: i hope you plan to go and find it |
| 13:36.34 | stew | vlt: the mbr is enough if you only have primary partitions, if you have extended partitions you need more than the mbr |
| 13:36.38 | catsup | vlt: don't cry. it's an adventure. |
| 13:36.44 | azeem | ehird: probably, yeah |
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| 13:36.55 | DexterF | vlt: you can extract the part table from a mbr if you have the entire... track 0 |
| 13:36.57 | ehird | azeem: but as it seems to be a gtk variable thingy, I have no idea how to do that. |
| 13:37.06 | scanf | ok. I have debian exim behind NAT and all outbound message headers look like : "received: from unknown (HELO <_correct_ hostname is here!>" |
| 13:37.07 | azeem | ehird: I don't, either |
| 13:37.08 | JyZyXEL | how do you tar a directory? |
| 13:37.12 | azeem | ehird: you could look at the source, maybe |
| 13:37.13 | DexterF | vlt: gpart can scan for partitions. or PartitionMagic in Windows |
| 13:37.16 | JyZyXEL | the examples didn't have that |
| 13:37.19 | vlt | DexterF: Why didn't you tell me this yesterday? ;) |
| 13:37.22 | ehird | azeem: think i've found it |
| 13:37.23 | DexterF | thunderstorm, gotta power down |
| 13:37.25 | scanf | how can I get rid of 'unknown' |
| 13:37.26 | azeem | ehird: or, as I said, see where other engines put those |
| 13:37.30 | ehird | aha but of course! |
| 13:37.33 | ehird | it's installed in 2.10.0/ |
| 13:37.37 | ehird | instead of 2.4.0/ |
| 13:37.43 | jaggz- | did this problem affect apache ssl???? |
| 13:37.43 | ehird | 'cause fedora has a more recent gtk than debian |
| 13:38.12 | vlt | is sure that question made him leave, hehe |
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| 13:39.00 | catsup | in principle it's not hard to scan for filesystems and even to verify with certainty that you are looking at a valid filesystem |
| 13:39.04 | scanf | I tried stuff like DC_visiblename in localmacros |
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| 13:39.10 | scanf | nothing helps |
| 13:39.16 | ehird | Oh no. |
| 13:39.19 | ehird | Oh no oh no oh no. |
| 13:39.24 | ehird | It conflicts with this version |
| 13:39.24 | scanf | so it always smells like spam |
| 13:39.27 | ehird | NOTHING WILL START :< |
| 13:39.34 | Skratz0r | ehird; what did you do |
| 13:39.46 | azeem | ehird: well, what do you expect |
| 13:39.50 | ehird | azeem: :P |
| 13:39.54 | azeem | installing a redhat package on debian |
| 13:40.00 | Skratz0r | Hah |
| 13:40.01 | ehird | azeem: hey, it worked before. |
| 13:40.04 | Skratz0r | Whats so bad? |
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| 13:40.12 | ehird | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.16 | ehird | XCHAT TO THE RESCUE |
| 13:40.16 | azeem | ehird: you said the buttons were off |
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| 13:40.25 | Skratz0r | ehird; lol |
| 13:40.25 | ehird | azeem: well. yeh. |
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| 13:40.52 | themill | stew: any chance of getting aptitude into #d on oftc? dpkg has gone walkies again |
| 13:41.01 | jaggz- | my breath kind of smells like dry ice |
| 13:41.04 | m_g | anybody with exim knowledge here? |
| 13:41.04 | ehird | OH YEAH I DID IT |
| 13:41.06 | azeem | ehird: is there a reason you need bluecurve over clearlooks? |
| 13:41.06 | ehird | /exec sudo rm -rf /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/libbluecurve* && echo "foo" |
| 13:41.08 | ehird | :DDDDDDDDDD |
| 13:41.16 | ehird | azeem: Clearlooks is fugly. |
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| 13:41.22 | azeem | d'oh |
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| 13:41.43 | themill | And bluecurve isn't fugly? |
| 13:41.54 | ehird | Hmm. Does alien do uninstalls? :P |
| 13:41.55 | ehird | themill: Nope. |
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| 13:43.40 | Silicium | how i can force yes the Untrusted Packages Question on Aptitude? |
| 13:44.05 | azeem | ehird: dpkg does uninstallas |
| 13:44.09 | azeem | uninstalls* |
| 13:44.13 | azeem | or apt-get |
| 13:44.14 | Skratz0r | Noway? |
| 13:44.26 | joako | hi, someone can tell me where in gnome , can i configure , wireless......because i put wep with a hexa key, and now doesnt work my wireless...thank you |
| 13:44.28 | Skratz0r | apt-get remove leaves loads of un-needed libraries. :( |
| 13:44.33 | ehird | azeem: Bread also does toast |
| 13:44.38 | ehird | But I don't recall saying 'dpkg' |
| 13:45.01 | yuan | I have some problems to access to http://localehost:631, any help? Thank you |
| 13:45.10 | azeem | ehird: are you claiming alien installs .deb packages with ar/tar/bash? |
| 13:45.14 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: look at deborphan |
| 13:45.14 | Rienzilla | go to localhost :) |
| 13:45.19 | themill | yuan: there's no e in it |
| 13:45.24 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; it removed Glib6 |
| 13:45.29 | Skratz0r | GLIB6! |
| 13:45.30 | ehird | azeem: No. |
| 13:45.31 | Skratz0r | The hell witht hat |
| 13:45.51 | ehird | Skaag_: apt-get autoclean |
| 13:46.09 | Skaag_ | what what? |
| 13:46.15 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: i'd say impossible if your installation isn't messed up |
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| 13:46.16 | themill | Skratz0r: there's no glib6 package in debian. wtf are you doing? |
| 13:46.38 | Skratz0r | glibc6 or something. |
| 13:46.46 | azeem | Skratz0r: pastebin the full output |
| 13:46.47 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 13:46.48 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:46.58 | azeem | Skratz0r: "or something" is not enough for diagnostics |
| 13:47.03 | Skratz0r | azeem; this was ages ago. |
| 13:47.07 | themill | Skratz0r: "glibc6 or something." is about as useless as you can get for debugging output. |
| 13:47.11 | azeem | Skratz0r: so what's your point? |
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| 13:47.15 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: you have a mix of different distributions? |
| 13:47.19 | yuan | themill: That's not the problem. "localhost" dose not work too. |
| 13:47.20 | Skratz0r | I was making a comment to BUSHMILLS |
| 13:47.24 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; no |
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| 13:48.41 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: i don't know what package is removed - but there doesn't seem to be any package installed which depends on it./ |
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| 13:49.19 | themill | yuan: in what way does it not work? At the command line, what's the output of: wget http://localehost:631/ (use a pastebin) |
| 13:49.56 | ehird | loaclehost? |
| 13:50.00 | ehird | *locale |
| 13:50.02 | ehird | it's localhost. |
| 13:50.04 | themill | erm |
| 13:50.11 | themill | yuan: in what way does it not work? At the command line, what's the output of: wget http://localhost:631/ (use a pastebin) |
| 13:50.20 | themill | ehird: good catch... |
| 13:50.39 | ehird | themill: yeah, I could see several pointless hours coming up |
| 13:50.45 | themill | ehird: indeed. |
| 13:51.00 | yuan | themill: Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:631... |
| 13:51.09 | ehird | themill: why :631 |
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| 13:51.18 | ehird | oh |
| 13:51.18 | themill | ehird: cups web admin |
| 13:51.19 | ehird | cups |
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| 13:51.29 | themill | yuan: Do you have cups running? |
| 13:51.29 | ehird | weiiiird |
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| 13:52.27 | yuan | themill: I started it with /etc/init.d/cupsys start |
| 13:52.27 | themill | yuan: what's the output of: invoke-rc.d cupsys status |
| 13:52.40 | ehird | so since the alien route isn't working, how can I shot bluecurve? |
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| 13:52.59 | azeem | ehird: build it from source |
| 13:53.05 | yuan | themill: Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is running. |
| 13:53.06 | ehird | azeem: ;-) |
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| 13:53.12 | ehird | alright |
| 13:53.20 | azeem | ehird: or are you still asking about how to deinstall that package? |
| 13:53.24 | ehird | azeem: nope |
| 13:53.26 | ehird | I already did that |
| 13:53.28 | azeem | ok |
| 13:53.34 | sandman | Is it possible to setup software RAID4 with metadisks |
| 13:53.43 | sandman | I'm sorry, I mean RAID6 |
| 13:53.56 | themill | yuan: and is cupsd listed in ps ax | grep cupsd |
| 13:54.24 | yuan | themill: 2547 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 13:54.24 | yuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.24 | yuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.24 | yuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.24 | yuan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.36 | themill | !tell yuan about paste |
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| 13:55.10 | ehird | I love the recursion of grepping for stuff. |
| 13:55.23 | lastnode | will debian autodetect a second monitor during bootup? |
| 13:55.25 | ehird | a really obfuscated way to print out something would be to: ps | grep "The string" and parse the output ... |
| 13:55.57 | chop1 | ehird: If you stop loving the recursion, you can start using ps -C instead |
| 13:56.14 | dustybin | ive got a problem wth irssi, im receiving random bits of conversation as private messages from people, what the hell is going on? |
| 13:56.20 | yuan | themill: cupsy is running |
| 13:56.20 | ehird | chop1: O RLY? $ ps -C ps |
| 13:56.20 | ehird | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.20 | ehird | 17380 pts/0 00:00:00 ps |
| 13:56.23 | fasta | When I use the Debian nvidia driver, X crashes (Unstable) with a signal 4. I already did apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg and reinstalled the Debian nvidia-glx drivers via the nvidia one liner. |
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| 13:56.44 | chop1 | ehird: Well, what would you expect it to do? |
| 13:56.54 | ehird | chop1: Well, there's some recursion for you |
| 13:57.27 | fasta | dustybin: look for those messages on a searchengine. |
| 13:57.51 | themill | ehird: pgrep ftw, but few people have it installed |
| 13:58.11 | fasta | dustybin: of they already exist, it is a spammer, if they really are private, the software should be changed. |
| 13:58.18 | ehird | themill: oh that's neat |
| 13:58.29 | fasta | dustybin: if* |
| 13:58.30 | themill | yuan: why do you have so many cupsds running? that doesn't sound right |
| 13:58.49 | ehird | killall () { A=shift; pgrep "$A" | kill $* } |
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| 13:58.50 | ehird | ;) |
| 13:58.56 | sandman | Is a system able to detect bad sectors in a disk, and stop using them, on the fly? |
| 13:59.08 | dustybin | fasta: they are private messages from real people on freenode |
| 13:59.18 | fasta | sandman: I have been told that ext3 does this. |
| 13:59.25 | fasta | sandman: I have not verified this information. |
| 13:59.38 | dustybin | i have a feeling its when a certain character exists |
| 13:59.40 | sandman | fasta: How about Swapfs (if there is such a thing) |
| 13:59.42 | themill | ehird: you mean like pkill or killall (1) |
| 13:59.46 | fasta | dustybin: and they are current? |
| 13:59.50 | dustybin | yes |
| 13:59.53 | ehird | themill: killall(1), yes. |
| 13:59.58 | ehird | I was offering a oneliner implementation. |
| 14:00.05 | ehird | actually, xargs kill $* |
| 14:00.08 | azeem | ehird: please try to focus on actual problems |
| 14:00.11 | dustybin | i changed my irssi character encoding, maybe this is whats messed it up |
| 14:00.16 | fasta | dustybin: well, then there is some gigantic f*ckup. |
| 14:00.29 | Bushmills | sandman: modern drives should exclude bad sectors automatically |
| 14:00.30 | fasta | dustybin: what changes did you make? :) |
| 14:00.33 | yuan | themill: I kill two of them, however I cannot open the site either |
| 14:00.35 | m_g | i will send $40 via paypal to who helps me fix an actually simple "relaying denied" exim error, anybody? |
| 14:00.37 | chops | dustybin: Can you pastebin the exact messages you're receiving? |
| 14:00.41 | themill | ehird: pity it wouldn't work though |
| 14:00.50 | ehird | themill: aw, why not? |
| 14:00.52 | sandman | Bushmills: Oh, I wasn't aware of that. |
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| 14:01.30 | themill | ehird: ahh, with xargs you would be ok. But drop the $*. And killall (1) does a lot more than that too on linux. (Just beware other unixen that would kill all your processes instead) |
| 14:01.43 | azeem | themill, ehird: please continue this discussion elsewhere |
| 14:01.47 | sandman | Bushmills: Does the Linux kernel _also_ do this, though |
| 14:01.50 | Bushmills | sandman: smartmontools can show you the list of defective sectors. |
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| 14:02.14 | ehird | azeem: what, #elsewhere? |
| 14:02.15 | sandman | Bushmills: Aye, S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 14:02.47 | themill | yuan: is cups supposedly running on the same machine as your web browser is running on? or is it on a remote server? |
| 14:02.52 | dustybin | heres some of the random private messages from people: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2584 |
| 14:03.33 | yuan | themill: yes, they are running on the same machine |
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| 14:05.02 | sandman | Bushmills: If I'm looking for near-100% uptime, am I going to be looking at blade-servers, with some sort of clustering model? |
| 14:05.48 | sandman | Bushmills: Actually, scratch this |
| 14:06.01 | sandman | I need to think about this a lot, yet. |
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| 14:06.36 | dustybin | i just changed a load of character encoding settings on irssi, ive set everything to use UTF-8 |
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| 14:08.44 | themill | yuan: have you changed the cups config files? |
| 14:09.15 | Bushmills | sandman: a backup server, with something called gratitious ARP may be something to look at. |
| 14:09.30 | fasta | dustybin: you should contact Freenode, if you think nobody is playing with you. |
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| 14:09.41 | yuan | No, I just install it. |
| 14:09.47 | Bushmills | gratuitious |
| 14:09.47 | yuan | themill: No, I just install it. |
| 14:10.05 | dustybin | fasta: ive changed a load of irssi character encoding settings, ill see if that makes any difference |
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| 14:10.51 | procdaemon | /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 14:10.57 | yuan | themill: There's problem with interface file, every time I need type dhclient to get the IP address. |
| 14:11.07 | fasta | dustybin: if the Freenode security works correctly, it should never ever occur assuming the hardware works. Otherwise there could be some overflow, but one would expect a crash in that case. |
| 14:11.40 | yuan | themill: the msg on the machine start up said " can not load /etc/network/interface" |
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| 14:12.13 | liable | yuan: sounds like bad formatting |
| 14:12.26 | fasta | Can anyone tell me how to get this stupid nvidia card working? I already tried the one liner, but the upgrade to the latest version of nvidia-glx broke compatibility, so it seems. |
| 14:12.29 | themill | yuan: urgh. What does "ifconfig -a" show? Also what's in /etc/network/interfaces? Please use a pastebin. |
| 14:12.36 | themill | !tell yuan about pastebin |
| 14:12.51 | elegle | how do I add my machine to s2ram's whitelist? i already figured the options needed but gnome won't use them by default |
| 14:12.53 | dustybin | fasta: those private messages were from the main chat area i think, when a certain person typed a certain character it would jus send that sentence as a private message to me |
| 14:12.55 | netcrash | \amethyst: take a bit of time 6 hours to do the filesystem check did tests I never before seen , but result was positive... looks good |
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| 14:13.15 | liable | 6 hours? |
| 14:13.16 | fasta | Additionally, that driver still doesn't fix a problem introduced a few months ago. |
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| 14:13.37 | fasta | Where can I buy hardware that is made by competent people? |
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| 14:14.07 | BulBulRed | hello, big problem... i wanted to restart apache |
| 14:14.12 | Bushmills | fasta: in shops which carries products made by companies with competent people |
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| 14:14.36 | BulBulRed | and i found out almost every command gives: "read-only filesystem" |
| 14:14.42 | BulBulRed | is there a disk down? |
| 14:14.49 | BulBulRed | can someone help me debug/check? |
| 14:15.00 | tarzeau | BulBulRed: what does dmesg say? |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | moo! |
| 14:15.09 | fasta | Bushmills: it was more of a rhetorical question. The answer being that there are no such people (at least not in the graphics hardware industry). |
| 14:15.09 | tarzeau | BulBulRed: probably bad disk, ro re-mounted |
| 14:15.11 | Bushmills | BulBulRed: unmount drive, fsch it |
| 14:15.14 | Bushmills | fsck |
| 14:15.22 | yuan | themill: ifconfig -a http://rafb.net/p/sk0Kaf86.html |
| 14:15.40 | BulBulRed | tarzeau: i/o error |
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| 14:15.51 | BulBulRed | reboot now gives an i/o error too |
| 14:15.57 | BulBulRed | -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error |
| 14:16.05 | abrotman | bad |
| 14:16.11 | tarzeau | BulBulRed: does the harddisk make funny noises? |
| 14:16.15 | Bushmills | fasta: use a serial tty then. |
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| 14:16.20 | tarzeau | BulBulRed: is it or the computer case very hot? |
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| 14:16.28 | tarzeau | BulBulRed: do all the ventilators in the computer still spin? |
| 14:16.34 | yuan | themill: interface http://rafb.net/p/I9h4bb19.html |
| 14:16.39 | BulBulRed | i can't tell |
| 14:16.44 | elegle | how do I make my shell to substitute the value of last command's argument immediately when I type !$ ? |
| 14:16.46 | xsd | how can i see the hwid of my system?. |
| 14:16.46 | BulBulRed | it's accessed remotely |
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| 14:17.01 | elegle | it used to work on zsh and now it dowsn't somewhy, same options |
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| 14:18.13 | BulBulRed | cannot access /etc/fsta |
| 14:18.15 | BulBulRed | fstab |
| 14:18.18 | BulBulRed | "read errors" |
| 14:18.52 | fireba11 | oww |
| 14:19.23 | fireba11 | BulBulRed: that looks like the HD died completely |
| 14:19.30 | Bushmills | BulBulRed: sounds like hardware problem with disk |
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| 14:19.42 | BulBulRed | my thoughts too |
| 14:20.00 | BulBulRed | i'm just a student and the admin is away in a meeting |
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| 14:20.02 | ehird | Hum ... |
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| 14:20.07 | ehird | I cannot find bluecurve's source! |
| 14:20.14 | BulBulRed | but i think we always make a raid |
| 14:20.23 | brainsoft | ive installed ipsec racoon strongswan |
| 14:20.29 | brainsoft | but when i run the daemon |
| 14:20.35 | brainsoft | mi port 500 is still closed |
| 14:20.58 | Eric | my debian is stuck on boot on "attached scsi removable sdb" what can i do, help ! |
| 14:21.11 | fireba11 | BulBulRed: if the system is imported i'd pull him out of the meeting :-) |
| 14:21.15 | abrotman | unplug sdb? |
| 14:21.33 | abrotman | fireba11: important? |
| 14:21.39 | Eric | there is no sdb |
| 14:21.49 | fireba11 | abrotman: er . yes :-) |
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| 14:21.57 | Eric | fiels are on sda |
| 14:22.03 | BulBulRed | on the monitor i see everything OK: ftp, load (all time low: 0,00 0,03 0,04 avg), mysql, ping, ssh, users, zombies.... |
| 14:22.13 | Eric | i dont even have a shell :( |
| 14:22.28 | themill | yuan: your interfaces file looks badly formatted. Lines 13 and 14 should be indented. |
| 14:22.35 | BulBulRed | fireba11: in 40minutes he gets out of the meeting |
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| 14:23.57 | Eric | it says hda does not exist, why dont it uses sda and not hda ? |
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| 14:25.09 | yuan | themill: I del them, need I reboot my computer? |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | BulBulRed: if it's an important system, i'd pass him a note |
| 14:25.27 | Bushmills | Eric: SATA? |
| 14:25.44 | themill | yuan: this should be sufficient: invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 14:26.25 | Eric | yes, i have sata disk |
| 14:27.02 | Eric | debian set my disk as hda, but then i can't boot and say "no sda" |
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| 14:27.17 | brainsoft | does BitlBee allow encryption |
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| 14:27.47 | fireba11 | abrotman : the gal covering for me when i'm ill or on vacation booted a box 2 weeks ago because it dien't work normally anymore .. problem was / got remounted read-only and as one would expect it didn't come back up ^^ luckily it wa friday evening and i was back monday morning anyway |
| 14:28.14 | Eric | port already in use, skipping probe |
| 14:28.17 | brainsoft | does bitlbee support encryption |
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| 14:28.33 | Bushmills | brainsoft: peer to peer encryption, no. doesn't pass clinet capabilities on, and bitlbee is like man-in-the-middle, that's what encryption protects against. |
| 14:29.04 | Eric | what debien should i use for 64bit servers ? |
| 14:29.25 | abrotman | etch |
| 14:29.32 | Knight_Lord | Is there some place i can find qt4.3 compiled for etch? |
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| 14:29.47 | Bushmills | brainsoft: i think you're better off with a multi-protocoll client, instead of an irc client, use for misc protocols. |
| 14:29.55 | Eric | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso ? |
| 14:30.06 | Eric | i386 ? |
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| 14:30.21 | Bushmills | eric, stable, i'd suggest |
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| 14:30.24 | Knight_Lord | Eric you can use 386 or x86_64 |
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| 14:30.40 | Eric | i see [alpha] [amd64] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] |
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| 14:30.47 | Knight_Lord | Eric x86_64 will allow your processes to use more memory if you need |
| 14:30.48 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 |
| 14:30.51 | Knight_Lord | Eric it's amd64 |
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| 14:31.09 | Bushmills | well, if you have a mips server, of course you want to use powerpc debian on it |
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| 14:32.44 | Eric | will debian 64bit defaut will detect my 4gb or RAM, not like i386 that limit to 3 ? |
| 14:33.00 | Knight_Lord | Eric both i386 and amd64 will see your 4GB |
| 14:33.06 | abrotman | !pae |
| 14:33.06 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 14:33.09 | keith4 | you can just install a bigmem kernel if you want to use 4G of ram with i386 |
| 14:33.14 | mick_home | hi everyone |
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| 14:33.20 | Eric | what is ia64 ? |
| 14:33.26 | Knight_Lord | Eric itanium |
| 14:34.11 | Knight_Lord | Intel Architecture 64 |
| 14:34.22 | Eric | how do you know amd64 is for my core2duo 64 ? i dont have an amd cpu |
| 14:34.39 | Knight_Lord | Eric because we know a thing or two |
| 14:34.43 | Eric | my server is a supermicro with core2duo |
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| 14:34.52 | stew | Eric: that's amd64 |
| 14:34.52 | maligor | Eric, amd64 came up with it |
| 14:34.57 | Eric | so hsould i user amd64 oria64 ? |
| 14:35.00 | maligor | err.. I mean aamd came up with it |
| 14:35.10 | mick_home | has anyone ever installed debian, and then installed windows (and had windows screw up GRUB)? How can i get grub back? |
| 14:35.11 | maligor | ia64 is a completely different arch |
| 14:35.15 | Eric | ok |
| 14:35.17 | Knight_Lord | Eric ia64 is only for Itanium servers which you definitely don't have |
| 14:35.21 | stew | Eric: amd64. ia64 is for itanium. if you aren't positive you have an itanium, you don't |
| 14:35.21 | mick_home | without screwing up the windows install |
| 14:35.31 | mick_home | or my linux install :) |
| 14:35.40 | Eric | ok |
| 14:35.42 | themill | !tell mick_home about dual boot guide |
| 14:35.45 | maligor | mick_home, boot the debian install cd, type rescue in the prompt |
| 14:35.55 | maligor | mick_home, and run grub-install /dev/blabla |
| 14:36.02 | Eric | looks like my i386 default install does not handle my sata disk right, and does not manage more than 3gb |
| 14:36.10 | mick_home | sweet |
| 14:36.11 | mick_home | thanks! |
| 14:36.16 | Eric | i had to upgrade to i686-bigmem |
| 14:36.27 | Eric | so i hope the amd64 will manage all that |
| 14:36.34 | maligor | mick_home, might also want to run update-grub |
| 14:36.42 | Knight_Lord | Eric which version? |
| 14:36.47 | Eric | is i686 a 64 bit kernel ? |
| 14:36.48 | liable | what does bigmem have to do with sata disk size? |
| 14:36.54 | Knight_Lord | Eric no |
| 14:36.54 | themill | Eric: -686 kernel will do 3gb of memory just fine. You must have and a -486 kernel (no -bigmem required) |
| 14:36.59 | Eric | no, bigmeme for support 4gb |
| 14:37.11 | Eric | 686 to support my sdba disk |
| 14:37.25 | abrotman | and -am64 ? |
| 14:37.26 | Knight_Lord | Eric what version of debian are you installing? |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:37.36 | Eric | what kernel will be install on amd64 debian ? |
| 14:37.51 | Eric | i installed i386, and it does not even boot after first install |
| 14:38.45 | maligor | the installer detected it tho? |
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| 14:39.12 | Knight_Lord | Eric is this the etch installer? |
| 14:39.17 | Eric | yes, it detected, formated, installed, but first reboot didnt work |
| 14:39.24 | Eric | etch |
| 14:39.29 | Knight_Lord | Eric did you install a bootloader? |
| 14:39.44 | Knight_Lord | Eric what kind of error does it give when you reboot? |
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| 14:39.53 | South3rn | Hi |
| 14:40.07 | Knight_Lord | Eric is the harddrive where you installed the bootloader define as a booting drive in the BIOS? |
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| 14:40.21 | Knight_Lord | Eric do you have BIOS RAID activated on that disk? |
| 14:40.22 | Eric | in the bios, let me check |
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| 14:40.45 | Eric | oh in the bios boot order, yes of course |
| 14:41.05 | Eric | well, it says IDE0 in the bios |
| 14:41.16 | Knight_Lord | Eric what kind of error does it give when you reboot? |
| 14:41.32 | Eric | but its a sata disk, with Native mode operation set on AUTO |
| 14:41.36 | danny_ | does anyone know if is possible to run camfrog on linux? |
| 14:42.07 | Eric | it says waiting for root files, timedout, not find on /dev/hda1 |
| 14:42.16 | Knight_Lord | Eric ah so it does boot! |
| 14:42.29 | Knight_Lord | Eric that's a small problem in grub |
| 14:42.41 | Knight_Lord | Eric you have to change from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 in grub |
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| 14:43.05 | Knight_Lord | Eric are you sure this is the latest etch release that you have? |
| 14:43.35 | OSUKid7 | hey... I'm trying to get the "SSH VPN"/ssh tunnel setup working again. I had it working last week, but now whenever I try, I get "Tunnel device open failed." and "Could not request tunnel forwarding." errors. any pointers? |
| 14:43.38 | Eric | debian 4.0 r1 |
| 14:43.45 | Knight_Lord | Eric so when grub shows up you just hit "e" to edit and then change the root to /dev/sda1 |
| 14:43.49 | Eric | im now reinstalling with latest amd64 version |
| 14:43.52 | zyx386 | hi, iam by debian etch install, "install the base system---kernel to install? which kernel most i chose? |
| 14:43.54 | Knight_Lord | Eric and then hit b |
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| 14:44.00 | Eric | ok |
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| 14:44.32 | Knight_Lord | Eric to make it better you should use UUID to boot instead of device name. You can read more about it in man fstab |
| 14:44.33 | zyx386 | ? |
| 14:44.46 | Knight_Lord | zyx386 what architecture? |
| 14:45.09 | zyx386 | AMD |
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| 14:45.22 | Knight_Lord | zyx386 what kind of AMD? |
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| 14:45.46 | Knight_Lord | zyx386 I think the best is linux-image-i686 |
| 14:45.48 | pandrew | hello! there is something very strange happening with one of my friend's servers. The root partition is completely screwed up. It is not mounting itself as readwrite anymore, most of the file permissions are gone, also most of the creation dates, and ownerships are screwed up (ls just inserts a question mark). The damage is so sever, i have no idea what did this... Any ideas? |
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| 14:46.06 | zxd | does anyone have an example cluster.conf for using xen virtual machines as rgmanager services ? |
| 14:46.09 | Knight_Lord | pandrew ddrescue? |
| 14:46.13 | pandrew | .. The harddrive seems fine, as onther partition works ok from the same harddrive... |
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| 14:46.32 | sandman | How much memory does each memory address point to? 512K? |
| 14:46.40 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: let me see what that is... |
| 14:46.50 | Knight_Lord | pandrew that's just to salvage what you have in the harddrive |
| 14:47.24 | Killaklown | i would like to find out if building my own custom kernel would signifigantly enhance my debian install as far as performance is concerned? |
| 14:47.27 | Knight_Lord | pandrew that sounds like a heavy hardware fault |
| 14:47.34 | Knight_Lord | Killaklown no |
| 14:47.40 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: i can't even runt smartctl |
| 14:47.45 | Killaklown | oh really... |
| 14:47.54 | Killaklown | i hear people say it increases perfomance |
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| 14:47.58 | Knight_Lord | pandrew does it seg fault? |
| 14:48.05 | Knight_Lord | Killaklown the keyword is significant |
| 14:48.09 | xsd | is rsync bi directional? |
| 14:48.10 | Killaklown | ok ok |
| 14:48.12 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: i managed to ssh to it, i am still on it, but i can't open a second ssh connection |
| 14:48.31 | Bushmills | Killaklown: not likely, kernel isn't usually soaking up a lot of cpu. apps tend to do. |
| 14:48.36 | Killaklown | so how can i make it run super light... like for example... puppy linux.. etc |
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| 14:48.44 | rocketmagnet | hello, does someone know if there is a linux sound app that let me copy folder to the ipod instead of the music library import of rythmbox ? |
| 14:48.46 | Knight_Lord | pandrew i don't see much of a way out |
| 14:48.51 | Killaklown | i'm using icewm already |
| 14:48.55 | pandrew | most of the programs lost their execute bit, so there is not much i can run. What i can run did not segfault so far... are you thinking memory problems? |
| 14:48.56 | Knight_Lord | pandrew i would start changing hardware starting with RAM |
| 14:48.59 | Killaklown | low cpu hoggin apps |
| 14:49.07 | Bushmills | Killaklown: "enhance" a bit yes, "signifigantly" no. |
| 14:49.13 | Knight_Lord | pandrew just add the exec bit then and see if they run |
| 14:49.31 | Knight_Lord | pandrew are you sure it's not simply a case of someone changing the exec bit by mistake |
| 14:49.38 | nikoboy | has anyone use VirtualBox box before? |
| 14:49.41 | Knight_Lord | pandrew or a cracked machine |
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| 14:49.53 | abrotman | or FS damage |
| 14:49.56 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: but neither is cp or chmod executable, and it looks like ls also just lost its execute bit |
| 14:50.03 | Knight_Lord | Killaklown you can problably stop quite a few services |
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| 14:50.07 | Killaklown | i'm tryin to get my deb install run super light... like puppy linux, dsl.. etc... so far i have icewm installed rox-fler,basically all the low cpu hoggin apps... but still not running super light |
| 14:50.19 | Knight_Lord | pandrew you can echo * instead of ls |
| 14:50.21 | Bushmills | Killaklown: therefore, compiling your most used apps, or those using most CPU, from source for your arch/cpu should gain more. |
| 14:50.32 | Knight_Lord | pandrew for some things at least |
| 14:50.43 | Bushmills | Killaklown: and libs |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | busybox |
| 14:50.47 | Knight_Lord | pandrew do you still have gcc? |
| 14:51.11 | Knight_Lord | pandrew i would try to copy chmod from another machine if you can |
| 14:51.20 | Killaklown | i see |
| 14:51.47 | erwin85 | Hi, I've got a problem with Xorg. It's often using >50% CPU when I'm using Firefox or Amarok or something. Can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? |
| 14:51.51 | Killaklown | just wanted to basically know what gives puppy, dsl etc that extra edge over deb |
| 14:51.57 | Killaklown | as far a s performance |
| 14:52.01 | Bushmills | erwin85: turn off animated gifs |
| 14:52.11 | Killaklown | its interesting |
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| 14:52.17 | Knight_Lord | erwin85 Amarok is not exactly light |
| 14:52.18 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: even ssh is dead by now, all i have is that one connection left. echo < /bin/chmod > /home/chmod. Said I/O error |
| 14:52.23 | Bushmills | erwin85: remove flash, disable javascript. |
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| 14:52.35 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: no gcc |
| 14:52.36 | Knight_Lord | pandrew what does dmesg show? |
| 14:53.17 | Bushmills | erwin85: for amarok, change the analyzer display to nothing. |
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| 14:53.28 | nikoboy | has anyone use VirtualBox box before? |
| 14:53.34 | Bushmills | or set update rate from 50 down to 10 |
| 14:53.38 | Nurulwai | define virtualbox box |
| 14:53.39 | pandrew | Knight_Lord: Permission denied, and I/O error, if i try to copy. It seems like it's completely dead |
| 14:54.10 | erwin85 | I've already turned the analyzer display off. Found a tip by googling. |
| 14:54.20 | Knight_Lord | pandrew so even typing dmesg doesn't work? |
| 14:54.36 | Knight_Lord | pandrew it's read from memory so it should work |
| 14:54.49 | pandrew | it can't run the dmesg executable |
| 14:54.56 | Bushmills | erwin85: run amarok iconized, or in minimal display mode |
| 14:55.00 | erwin85 | Should disabling javascript etc. influence Xorg? It's not firefox/amarok itself that's the problem (although they use quite a share), but xorg. |
| 14:55.02 | Rienzilla | this doesnt look good pandrew |
| 14:55.03 | abrotman | it has to read the log iirc |
| 14:55.05 | Knight_Lord | pandrew oh i forgot about that |
| 14:55.09 | erwin85 | I do that most of the time. (iconized) |
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| 14:55.16 | Knight_Lord | pandrew i would just close the machine |
| 14:55.18 | sandman | What is the significance of "0x" in the front of a memory address? Does this signify the bank? |
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| 14:55.27 | ehird | What package contains the kde3 header files? Can't for the life of me find it. |
| 14:55.28 | ehird | sandman: hex |
| 14:55.30 | Knight_Lord | sandman is means it's an hexadecimal address |
| 14:55.54 | erwin85 | This has been happening after some update. I used i810 before, but now Xorg just decides what driver to use itself. |
| 14:56.00 | sandman | And if it's a binary memory address, it would have no such thing. What about a decimal memory address? |
| 14:56.06 | sandman | Or are memory addresses not read in those forms |
| 14:56.08 | Nurulwai | erwin85: you having xorg throw a fit when you got animated shit on screen? |
| 14:56.18 | Bushmills | erwin85: javascript can, and is used, for dynamic updates of page contents. those increase X load too |
| 14:56.24 | themill | ehird: use apt-file if you know specifically which file. |
| 14:56.27 | Knight_Lord | sandman it follows the C convention |
| 14:56.30 | Nurulwai | cpu usage spikes to some stupid level and responsiveness drops off? |
| 14:56.32 | ehird | themill: nope |
| 14:56.35 | sandman | Knight_Lord: I'm unfamiliar |
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| 14:56.57 | Knight_Lord | sandman 0x for hex 0 for octal nothing for decimal. Binary is pretty obvious |
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| 14:57.03 | ehird | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 14:57.03 | ehird | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 14:57.03 | ehird | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 14:57.08 | ehird | helpful engrish from ./configure |
| 14:57.23 | sandman | Knight_Lord: Yeah =) |
| 14:57.43 | erwin85 | Nurulwai, not even animated shit. Just switching from xchat to firefox (1 tab) now, makes Xorg spike to >40%. |
| 14:57.44 | azeem | ehird: inspect config.log |
| 14:57.45 | Knight_Lord | ehird maybe kde-devel? |
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| 14:58.31 | ehird | Knight_Lord: that wants to install things like arts and kate and stuff |
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| 14:58.36 | ehird | and konqueror ... |
| 14:58.40 | ehird | and kwin ... |
| 14:58.42 | Nurulwai | erwin85: When you create a new tab in firefox, do you get a lovely view of a grey pane that switches to white when the new tab appears, with a delay between? |
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| 14:58.55 | ehird | I use gnome, but kcontrol works, and I just wanna compile this theme ;) |
| 14:59.19 | erwin85 | Just checked and that's indeed the case. |
| 14:59.27 | Knight_Lord | ehird you can try kdebase-dev |
| 14:59.56 | Nurulwai | Cos it sounds like what I got. Animation on screen causes severe rape (ie: youtube, flash animations, gifs, etc). Stupidly slow redraw on stuff like firefox tabs. If you find a fix, let me know, it's been fucking me off for a while. |
| 15:00.03 | Knight_Lord | erwin85 are you out of memory? |
| 15:00.05 | ehird | Knight_Lord: it'd like me to have konqueror. |
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| 15:00.19 | Knight_Lord | ehird so install it |
| 15:00.20 | Nurulwai | Animated shit in firefox means firefox and xorg team up to form the rapemachine that brings CPU load to stupid levels |
| 15:00.44 | ehird | Knight_Lord: fine ;) |
| 15:00.46 | Nurulwai | I've just been cursing xorg for being a pain the the arse |
| 15:00.48 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 15:00.52 | erwin85 | No, 939 used and 564 free (MB) |
| 15:01.00 | ehird | Nurulwai: epiphany? |
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| 15:01.23 | Knight_Lord | erwin85 yes if you use flash that can be a huge problem |
| 15:01.25 | Nurulwai | still gecko aint it? |
| 15:01.31 | azeem | ehird: try kdelibs4-dev |
| 15:01.35 | ehird | Nurulwai: yes |
| 15:01.39 | Nurulwai | Right, I gotta head home, gonna have to follow the rest of this conversation when I get there |
| 15:01.40 | ehird | azeem: it's a kde 3 theme |
| 15:01.44 | themill | Nurulwai: you're still failing at polite conversation. |
| 15:01.48 | sandman | I'm having something of a hard time converting a BadRAM kernel parameter to a memmap kernel parameter. BadRAM kernel parameter is: badram=0x1e3cf554,0xfffffffc. The latter, of course, is a "mask". When converted to binary so I could better understand the mask, it shows that the last two binary places are "0" in that scenario (the "c" in the mask translates to binary 1100). This means, I think, that the memory from 0x1e3cf554 to 0x1e3cf557 is ba |
| 15:01.49 | erwin85 | I'm not blocking flash, but most of the time I use sites without flash. |
| 15:01.52 | azeem | ehird: I understand |
| 15:01.59 | erwin85 | (And it's also happening then) |
| 15:02.09 | ehird | azeem: nice to know? |
| 15:02.11 | azeem | ehird: that's why I suggested the KDE3 devel libs |
| 15:02.36 | themill | ehird: check that package description and version of kdelibs4-dev |
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| 15:02.44 | Bushmills | kazehakase browser. can use webkit instead of gecko. |
| 15:02.46 | themill | ehird: it's kdelibs4 not kde4 libs |
| 15:02.53 | ehird | themill: Oh, oops. |
| 15:03.00 | ehird | Well, I installed kdebase-dev already. |
| 15:03.03 | ehird | So. |
| 15:03.06 | pandrew | well thanks guys, it's completely dead :( |
| 15:03.15 | themill | ehird: confusingly named, I'm sure. |
| 15:03.20 | pandrew | oops |
| 15:03.22 | ehird | themill: just a little ... |
| 15:03.26 | pandrew | that came out confusing :) |
| 15:03.27 | azeem | that 4: epoch doesn't help either |
| 15:03.39 | themill | azeem: indeed |
| 15:04.05 | pandrew | i mean thanks for the help, and yes you are right , there is nothing i can do to it anymore |
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| 15:05.36 | ehird | OK, wtf. I installed the theme but it doesn't appear to be valid |
| 15:05.37 | ehird | :| |
| 15:05.56 | ehird | Specifically, it won't import the .themerc |
| 15:06.02 | Knight_Lord | pandrew you're welcome. Good luck with it :) |
| 15:06.05 | [apo] | hey is ubuntu using debian 4.0 |
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| 15:06.21 | themill | [apo]: ask them in #ubuntu |
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| 15:06.57 | sandman | themill: I'd be curious to see how folks in there even understand how the Debian distributions roll over. |
| 15:07.12 | azeem | sandman: ask them |
| 15:07.26 | sandman | azeem: That was a rhetorical question =) |
| 15:07.27 | [apo] | Do I detect some friction between the 2 groups |
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| 15:07.41 | azeem | [apo]: nope, you're just in the wrong place |
| 15:07.44 | [apo] | I thought all debs where united and single fronted |
| 15:07.52 | g00se_ | Got 'WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!' from a backports mirror. Would that be the same for the same package at any mirror? |
| 15:08.07 | jelly | [apo]: nope, sorry |
| 15:08.34 | dannyp | it is pretty frustrating for software developers or maintainers to get support questions or bug reports against something that is just a derivative of their product, especially if the question is specific to the derivative |
| 15:08.48 | dannyp | just as I'm sure it's been a frustrating couple of days for the openssl developers |
| 15:09.24 | themill | g00se_: install the debian-backports-keyring package and then aptitude update again |
| 15:09.37 | dannyp | ...which I think does breach an interesting question, that I hope people will discuss at some point, as to when it is appropriate for a package maintainer to apply any patch to the source before packaging |
| 15:09.38 | Bushmills | dannyp: no. problem was a patch to the debian package of openssl |
| 15:09.47 | g00se_ | themill: thanks |
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| 15:09.57 | Bushmills | openssl developers are not affected |
| 15:10.00 | dannyp | Bushmills: exactly, but I'm sure the openssl people are hearing about it, when it's completely unrelated to them |
| 15:10.13 | Bushmills | oh. yes. right. |
| 15:10.20 | dannyp | and I'm sure that would annoy them, just as how ubuntu-specific questions can annoy debian people |
| 15:10.31 | sandman | Heh, I find this odd that nobody can answer my question about memory =) I've been asking all over freenode, and nobody seems to know. |
| 15:10.43 | themill | dannyp: and I would expecting them to be directing debian users in here for help. |
| 15:10.53 | stew | dannyp: this is a change that the debian maintainer discussed with openssl devs before making the change, and he was encouraged to make by an openssl developer |
| 15:11.01 | dannyp | themill: yup, and I presume they are :) I'm not saying it's a big deal... |
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| 15:11.20 | dannyp | stew: then why didn't it just get applied upstream? |
| 15:11.24 | jelly | sandman: try a relevant kernel mailing list |
| 15:11.25 | azeem | stew: to be fair, he didn't make it evident he was talking as Debian maintainer or about a change to be actually applied to a package, I think |
| 15:11.43 | stew | dannyp: good question |
| 15:12.00 | dannyp | it would seem like the only time it makes sense to patch at the debian level is if there is some bug or flaw that is keeping it from being packaged or functioning properly on debian |
| 15:12.19 | dannyp | otherwise, it makes way more sense to just do the development upstream |
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| 15:12.59 | dannyp | in a different world, the patch the maintainer did would have fixed a bug instead of introducing one, and then the question would have been "why didn't debian contribute this back" |
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| 15:14.37 | jelly | dannyp: see openssh a while ago |
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| 15:15.03 | dannyp | jelly: see what about it? |
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| 15:15.31 | jelly | dannyp: "why didn't debian didn't inform us about this fix" |
| 15:15.32 | stew | dannyp: its not always so simple. i end up patching my packages and sending the patch upstream all the time. but it doesn't mean i should necessarily wait for upstream to get around to reviewing, applying my patch, then making a new release, before i make the bugfix available to the debian users |
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| 15:16.38 | Bushmills | !rtft |
| 15:16.38 | dpkg | well, rtft is read the fucking topic, which you should do because it often has answers for questions a LOT of people are asking... |
| 15:17.12 | dannyp | stew: well I think there is a difference between a patch that makes something buildable/usable (a bugfix) and one that's in theory just making code more correct and/or adding a feature |
| 15:17.18 | sathia | Hello, about the openssh vulnerability, I'm trying to upgrade the package via apt-get upgrade openssh, but when I accept the list of upgraded packages it says that some are not authenticated |
| 15:17.18 | nikoboy | hello, does anyone know if napster works for linux? |
| 15:17.41 | sathia | I have upgraded the keys |
| 15:18.07 | sathia | and I'm afraid since this is a production server |
| 15:18.10 | dannyp | people still use napster? |
| 15:18.28 | sathia | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! mysql-common mysql-server libmysqlclient15off mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-5.0 php5-cli php5-mysql php5-mhash php5-imap php5-ldap php5-curl php5-gd php5-odbc libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common php-pear php5 php5-dev |
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| 15:18.35 | stew | sathia: you want "apt-get dist-upgrade" not "apt-get upgrade openssh". for the problem with keys, /msg dpkg no public key |
| 15:18.36 | sandman | I was going to say. That's quite old-school, Napster. |
| 15:18.46 | Bushmills | sathia: you know that the problem isn't solved my merely installing a new version of openssh? |
| 15:19.00 | sathia | on another server I've removed all the keys |
| 15:19.01 | stew | sathia: when you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" please be mindful of what packages are going to be removed |
| 15:19.04 | sathia | but that was easier |
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| 15:19.25 | sathia | I'm really afraid of breaking things, there are 3k users on that webserver now |
| 15:19.50 | Bushmills | sathia: yes you do. seen too late that you regen'd keys |
| 15:19.52 | sathia | the perl script doesn't find any weak keys on the other server |
| 15:20.31 | sathia | but i'm chicken shit about the web server since he wants to upgrade all the apache stuff |
| 15:20.35 | sathia | and php |
| 15:20.40 | stew | sathia: "apt-get upgrade openssh" is not a good command. "apt-get upgrade" doesn't take a pacakge name. if you wanted to upgrade a single package it would be "apt-get isntall openssh", however debian doesn't have a package named "openssh". you could run "apt-get isntall openssh-server openssh-client" |
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| 15:21.08 | Bushmills | sathia: !rtft for "cannot be authenticated! |
| 15:21.32 | stew | sathia: normall "apt-get upgrade" would upgrade all available pacakges, however upgrade is not willing to install new packages, and in this case the new openssh-server package depends on a new package openssh-blacklist, so 'dist-upgrade' would upgrade it |
| 15:21.57 | stew | sathia: however, the more important packages to upgrade are the openssl packages, not the openssh pacakges |
| 15:22.14 | sathia | ok |
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| 15:22.58 | sathia | is that a safe thing to do? |
| 15:23.28 | sathia | I really can't brick the server |
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| 15:26.06 | Eric | can i reinstall debian without formatting eveery partitions ? |
| 15:26.09 | g00se | sathia: what steps have you performed in total? |
| 15:26.14 | Rienzilla | Eric: yes |
| 15:26.26 | sathia | at the moment on the webserver |
| 15:26.32 | sathia | I have just: |
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| 15:27.12 | sathia | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade openssh |
| 15:27.29 | sathia | but since I had those nasty messages i have stopped it |
| 15:27.50 | g00se | sathia: thought you said you removed keys? |
| 15:28.02 | sathia | on another server, yes |
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| 15:28.28 | sathia | but that server doesn't have apache at all |
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| 15:28.40 | sathia | so I thought it was safe |
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| 15:28.54 | g00se | sathia: so you checked the keys on this one and they seemed to be ok with the Perl script |
| 15:28.57 | stew | sathia: what nasty messages? |
| 15:29.09 | sathia | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 15:29.09 | sathia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.09 | sathia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.09 | sathia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.30 | sathia | sorry for flooding |
| 15:29.52 | stew | sathia: what I'm telling you is safe provided you pay attention to what packages are going to ge upgraded/installed/removed. and provided you test that you can ssh back in before you logout after upgrading ssh |
| 15:29.52 | sathia | on the other server, the keys are ok, this one has weak keys |
| 15:30.12 | stew | sathia: /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 15:30.49 | kdubois | using etch's default browser, how can i get a bookmarks toolbar? |
| 15:30.51 | sathia | let me see if serial console is working |
| 15:31.05 | stew | kdubois: which browser? |
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| 15:31.39 | kdubois | stew: i think its epiphany, although the 'about' says 'gnome web browser' |
| 15:31.45 | stew | kdubois: what does "readlinks -f $(which x-www-browser)" return |
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| 15:31.46 | Bushmills | kdubois: there is no such thing as a default browser for etch |
| 15:31.49 | stew | kdubois: yeah, probably epiphany |
| 15:32.19 | Bushmills | kdubois: there may be a default browser for the graphical desktop environment which you have chosen |
| 15:32.23 | kdubois | i type epiphany in the cli to get it running, so i think thats what it is |
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| 15:35.01 | neoark | does anyone know what path debian store c header files for the kernel ? |
| 15:35.17 | neoark | its not under /sys/src/linux |
| 15:35.20 | g00se | sathia: if the keys are bad you might as well delete them |
| 15:35.39 | chops | neoark: Look at /lib/modules/x.y.z/source |
| 15:35.39 | dutchfish | /usr/src ? |
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| 15:35.46 | chops | neoark: You need to install the linux-headers-x.y.z package first |
| 15:35.48 | kdubois | yeah, its /usr/src |
| 15:35.54 | sathia | g00se: thanks, I had it working, and I don't remember how... |
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| 15:36.18 | sathia | I am now removing compromised keys |
| 15:36.23 | sathia | and I will rebuild them |
| 15:36.29 | stew | neoark: /lib/modules/$(uanme -r)/build/include |
| 15:36.35 | bendis_vis | hi everybody |
| 15:36.51 | stew | neoark: if that directory is empty, "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 15:37.13 | neoark | ah k |
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| 15:38.22 | JyZyXEL | where can i see the current IN/OUT rate of my NIC? |
| 15:38.34 | chops | JyZyXEL: I use jnettop for that sort of thing |
| 15:38.39 | JyZyXEL | somewhere in /proc/net ? |
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| 15:40.27 | balzac5000 | Anyone know how to run the SSH key testing tool dowkd.pl on a box that runs SSH on a non-standard port? On those boxes I don't get any output... |
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| 15:41.56 | reto_ | balzac5000: the port has nothing to do with the check tool |
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| 15:42.13 | reto_ | balzac5000: but why don't you use ssh-vulnkey? |
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| 15:42.22 | reto_ | sudo ssh-vulnkey -a should work fine |
| 15:42.22 | chops | reto_: It does if you're using the 'host' command |
| 15:42.26 | reto_ | ah |
| 15:42.29 | reto_ | sorry |
| 15:42.48 | balzac5000 | reto_: Hmm. Running "perl dowkd.pl host localhost" on a non standard port gives no output... |
| 15:42.59 | g00se | sathia: don't of course rebuild them with the deprecated package ;-) |
| 15:43.06 | balzac5000 | chops: Can I just drop the "host" parameter? |
| 15:43.14 | reto_ | balzac5000: do you know ssh-vulnkey? |
| 15:43.40 | balzac5000 | reto_: Not heard of it. I've already regenerated keys I'm just checking my work |
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| 15:43.54 | chops | balzac5000: You can edit the source and change the calls to ssh-keyscan to 'ssh-keyscan -p 1234' |
| 15:43.55 | reto_ | balzac5000: alright, do a aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:44.18 | reto_ | balzac5000: then you've get a new tool called 'ssh-vulnkey' which does all the work for you |
| 15:44.24 | reto_ | chops: please correct me if thats wrong |
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| 15:44.42 | reto_ | I prefer the vulnkey tool |
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| 15:45.01 | sathia | ok, I have all the keys safe now, thanks for your help |
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| 15:45.16 | balzac5000 | chops: Thanks I'll dig into dowkd.pl and look for that. |
| 15:45.34 | chops | reto_: I'm not familiar with ssh-vulnkey, sorry. I sorted out my keys before ssh-vulnkey was around and then stopped worrying about it. I'm sure ssh-vulnkey is better than dowkd.pl, of course; I'm just not familiar with it. |
| 15:46.11 | reto_ | k, thx |
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| 15:46.17 | balzac5000 | reto_: I'm reluctant to do a "dist-upgrade" on a production box already running etch |
| 15:46.44 | chops | balzac5000: You shouldn't be... running with vulnerabilities is a lot worse than the risk involved in security updates |
| 15:46.49 | stew | balzac5000: dist-upgrade is fine if you pay attention to what is going to be done. in this case upgrade doesn't cut it becuase openssh-server depends on a new pacakge |
| 15:47.06 | balzac5000 | chops: |
| 15:47.15 | \amethyst | you could install openssh-blacklist then do a ordinary upgrade |
| 15:47.22 | balzac5000 | chops: Well again, I've done the upgrade and regenterated keys, I'm just checking the work |
| 15:47.22 | stew | yes |
| 15:47.25 | chops | balzac5000: There have been other security updates that require dist-upgrade (kernel updates often require it, and IIRC there was an openvpn update that needed one) |
| 15:47.27 | reto_ | balzac5000: it shouldn't be too bad, it provides you with a list of packages that changed, and this list hsould be fairly short |
| 15:47.44 | reto_ | you can abort if the list is long |
| 15:47.48 | balzac5000 | It is a short list for sure. |
| 15:48.03 | reto_ | I'd do it.. :) |
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| 15:48.16 | balzac5000 | I've just always left dist-upgrade work for actual, well, distribution upgrades |
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| 15:49.55 | balzac5000 | chops: Just so I'm clear: there have been previous Debian security updates that can only be patched/fixed with the "dist-upgrade"? |
| 15:50.03 | chops | balzac5000: dist-upgrade is generally a better idea than upgrade. I pretty much never use upgrade, since they're nearly always either the same action or dist-upgrade is better. |
| 15:50.09 | chops | balzac5000: Correct |
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| 15:50.20 | chops | balzac5000: Well, or manually installing the new kernel package or something |
| 15:50.28 | balzac5000 | I'm an aptitude junkie and have always done an "aptitude upgrade" for patches |
| 15:50.33 | chops | balzac5000: But there have been Debian security updates that cannot be installed via 'aptitude upgrade' |
| 15:50.45 | themill | !tell balzac5000 about ssl update |
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| 15:50.57 | balzac5000 | I have totally misread the Aptitude docs then |
| 15:51.04 | stew | balzac5000: do you understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 15:51.34 | balzac5000 | stew: perhaps not |
| 15:51.52 | balzac5000 | It would likely be useful to add this tidbit if info to http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
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| 15:52.03 | themill | balzac5000: it is |
| 15:52.10 | stew | balzac5000: upgrade is not willing to install new packages or remove others. packages which would require this are "kept back". dist-upgrade will install new packages or remove packages in order to perform upgrades |
| 15:52.13 | themill | balzac5000: if it makes you feel better, upgrade has been renamed safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade has been renamed full-upgrade in the latest version of aptitude in lenny/sid. |
| 15:52.21 | fasta | What's the directory where nvidia/Debian installs the driver for X? |
| 15:52.29 | balzac5000 | themill: that does, actually. =8^) |
| 15:52.34 | balzac5000 | stew: Crap - right you are. |
| 15:52.49 | themill | balzac5000: from the wiki: "You probably want to also pick up the new openssh packages that include the blacklist of known weak keys, but you will need to aptitude dist-upgrade for that in order to install the new openssh-blacklist package." |
| 15:52.50 | stew | balzac5000: in this case "upgrade" wouldn't upgrade openssh-server since upgrading openssh-server requires adding the new openssh-blacklist package |
| 15:53.15 | themill | balzac5000: I knew it was in there because I write it myself :) |
| 15:53.37 | fasta | I get an API mismatch, but because the error message doesn't just state the file name, I can only loop over the entire file system (slow) or guess some locations (slow too). |
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| 15:53.42 | balzac5000 | stew: Huh. I didn't know there was a restriction on new packages, I thought they were listed as "Hey, I'm adding new stuff here..." once the repo probe was done. |
| 15:53.48 | balzac5000 | Learn something every day... |
| 15:54.06 | balzac5000 | themill: Nothing like getting info from the source! |
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| 15:54.27 | stew | themill: thanks, btw |
| 15:54.38 | themill | balzac5000: I'm not really the source, just the intermediary who's been pushing stuff into the wiki as it comes up. |
| 15:55.00 | balzac5000 | Wow - been using Debian every since RedHat went commercial and I glossed over this every time. Sheesh |
| 15:55.25 | balzac5000 | themill: Hey - keepers of The Wiki *are* the source for us non-developers! |
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| 15:55.33 | balzac5000 | Of docs anyway |
| 15:55.36 | themill | :) |
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| 15:56.01 | fasta | Who pays the person who found this openssh issue? |
| 15:56.14 | fasta | openssl* |
| 15:56.16 | balzac5000 | Well, I'll make second trip through my 35 boxes and do "dist-upgrade" all around... |
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| 15:56.53 | themill | stew: no worries. I've been personally a little disappointed with the way the security team has handled documenting this, but figured that some user-contributed documentation could help. (and that it would make our lives a lot easier here to start writing things down as soon as we could) |
| 15:57.25 | balzac5000 | themill: EXTRA karma points for you, my friend. |
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| 15:57.33 | themill | heh |
| 15:57.37 | Bushmills | balzac5000: i have a "servers" script which allows me to do servers ssh {} command to run a command on all of them ( {} is substituted against server name per iteration |
| 15:57.52 | stew | !themill++ |
| 15:58.00 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: That sounds handy! |
| 15:58.16 | dutchfish | themill, i didnt loose faith, i must admit the responses where promptly to this, thanks |
| 15:58.17 | balzac5000 | Where dat? |
| 15:58.20 | payper | hi, i installed oidentd on debian etch but i got an error saying, error: no-user .. any idea ? |
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| 15:58.26 | chops | Bushmills: There are actually multiple-machine shells that can automate that sort of thing (batching the output into "servers x/y/z all output the same thing, server q had this to say...) |
| 15:58.47 | Bushmills | chops: i know. but as this is all i need, i am fine with a script like that |
| 15:58.54 | chops | Bushmills: Makes sense |
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| 15:59.57 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: Is that script available for download and general abuse somewhere? |
| 16:00.25 | Bushmills | balzac5000: sure. hang on, i'll just emtpy the var with server names |
| 16:00.45 | balzac5000 | Awesome. That'll be a real time saver for me! |
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| 16:01.46 | et | for server in foo bar baz; ssh ${server} command? |
| 16:01.56 | Bushmills | balzac5000: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/servers.pub |
| 16:02.06 | balzac5000 | snort! GREAT domain name |
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| 16:02.32 | mquin | heh |
| 16:02.34 | mquin | sdm |
| 16:02.53 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: I'm afraid that URL 404's on me... |
| 16:03.00 | Bushmills | oh sorry put it in wrong dir hang on |
| 16:03.25 | DawnLight | can i change the volume name of the vfat in my usb flash storage? |
| 16:03.27 | Bushmills | try again |
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| 16:03.35 | fasta | man 5 xorg.conf specifies directories for the module path, but none of those directories exist on my system. Why doesn't Debian have documentation documenting the Xorg version that Debian is shipping? |
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| 16:03.52 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: My browser is still sad |
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| 16:04.03 | Bushmills | use like: servers echo {} |
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| 16:04.24 | stew | fasta: xorg.conf is a fast moving target these days. what version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:04.35 | Bushmills | balzac5000: i can positively confirm that it is downloadable. probably cached locally on your machine |
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| 16:04.57 | fasta | stew: I am using a mix lenny/sid (i.e. a mess, which you already told me before). |
| 16:05.05 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: Quite possible. I will flush |
| 16:05.25 | stew | fasta: but in general the reason that the manpage is out of date is simply that nobody has volunteered to fix it. if you'd be willing to send a patch it would definately be appriciated |
| 16:05.36 | fasta | The only problem I have is that I don't know how to find the wrong driver. |
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| 16:05.44 | themill | fasta: Debian patching upstream's stuff before sending them out is a bit of a sore point at the moment. |
| 16:06.08 | stew | fasta: which wrong driver are you trying to find? |
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| 16:06.25 | fasta | stew: I have nvidia version 169-03 and 173 on my system. |
| 16:06.32 | drwahl | is there any way to see how long it has been since a computers physical keyboard/mouse have been used? for example, i'm at work right now, but i have ssh access to my desktop at home. i want to see when the last keystroke or mouse movement was |
| 16:06.32 | fasta | stew: I want to get rid of the 169 version. |
| 16:06.37 | fasta | stew: hmm, never mind. |
| 16:06.43 | fasta | stew: the package should list that |
| 16:07.11 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: Weird - squid would NOT let go of it. Had to go direct. Anyway - MUCHO DANKE. |
| 16:07.19 | Bushmills | np |
| 16:07.26 | Bushmills | nix tsu dankn |
| 16:07.36 | balzac5000 | Bushmills: execution would be like "servers echo {server1 server2}? |
| 16:08.05 | Bushmills | nope. edit script, insert servers in SERVERS variable. |
| 16:08.16 | Bushmills | execute like servers echo {} |
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| 16:08.27 | _apk | hi :) |
| 16:08.44 | balzac5000 | and the command to be executed goes in the quotes after echo? |
| 16:08.58 | Bushmills | nope. all after "servers" is executed on each server |
| 16:09.01 | Bushmills | nope |
| 16:09.03 | Bushmills | sry |
| 16:09.18 | Bushmills | all after servers is executed for each server, with {} subst'd against server name |
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| 16:09.31 | Bushmills | thus, servers ssh {} apt-get update |
| 16:09.38 | balzac5000 | AH! diggit |
| 16:09.48 | Bushmills | would run apt-get update on each server |
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| 16:10.00 | balzac5000 | SO elegant. Cool! |
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| 16:10.26 | fasta | stew: Do you know the name of the nvidia X driver? The kernel driver is nvidia.ko. |
| 16:10.42 | Bushmills | doesn't run in parallel, so it may require some patience for 50 machines or more |
| 16:10.56 | Bushmills | but i like to be able to watch what happens per machine |
| 16:11.12 | balzac5000 | No kidding - me too. |
| 16:11.18 | fasta | stew: never mind, I got rid of it, but still it won't work either way, I guess. |
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| 16:12.56 | stew | fasta: i don't know about the non-free drivers |
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| 16:14.37 | xsd | when i telnet to port 22 from an outside host i get connection refused. when i telnet to port 22 from a host that is in the same subnet i get telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host. why and how can i fix it? |
| 16:14.41 | esaym | how do you update the ssh keys in /etc/ssh/? |
| 16:15.44 | balzac5000 | esaym: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
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| 16:16.26 | Skratz0r | Why isn't ipfw installed by default? |
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| 16:16.51 | jelly | Skratz0r: it's not necessary to use the system. |
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| 16:17.10 | Bushmills | et, no not quite. substition of string against servername makes it more flexible, because allowing to insert server name anywhere in command, without editing script. yours can only ssh to server. but not, say, ping -c1 allservers |
| 16:17.14 | Skratz0r | So I can just apt-get it and it will install the firewall? |
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| 16:17.48 | jelly | Skratz0r: actually, what is "ipfw"? |
| 16:18.03 | Skratz0r | IPFireWall, i Think. |
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| 16:18.10 | Skratz0r | IPTables has something to do with it. :S |
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| 16:20.01 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: i think ipfw was the free-ipchains kernel packet filter, long obsolete |
| 16:20.10 | Bushmills | pre-ipchains i mean |
| 16:20.15 | jelly | Skratz0r: you'll have to figure out what you really want, first |
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| 16:20.41 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: possibly you mean ipmasq? |
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| 16:20.53 | vlt | Hello. When using `ntfsresize` to shrink an NTFS file system, to 1GB for example, will all data be located in the first 1GB of the partition so that I can shrink the partition size safely afterwards? |
| 16:21.09 | jelly | Skratz0r: "iptables" is what gives you firewall functionality since linux 2.4 |
| 16:22.16 | itchi | Skratz0r: Is it all about a firewall or just a GUI for it that you need? |
| 16:22.46 | itchi | There's a nice TUI tool for in cli, see vuurmuur |
| 16:23.25 | itchi | just not packaged into-debian package system but there's a deb to install it |
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| 16:23.38 | Bushmills | as ipfw is not in 2.4 or 2.6 anymore, i suppose Skratz0r runs a non-debian distrib, or something very old, 2.0 or 2.2 kernel |
| 16:23.50 | vlt | wonders what the T stands for. |
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| 16:24.28 | dutchfish | terminal? |
| 16:24.29 | Bushmills | or do i mix up ipfw with ipfwadmin? |
| 16:24.34 | Skratz0r | itchi; just a firewall |
| 16:24.35 | adama | text perhaps |
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| 16:24.58 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; I'm using OS X at the moment, my desktop runs Debian. |
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| 16:25.11 | xerophytev | is there anyway i can use the dig to resolve name without hitting the dns cache ? |
| 16:25.22 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: does your question partain to OS X, or to debian? |
| 16:25.27 | valdyn | xerophytev: +trace |
| 16:25.28 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; to debian |
| 16:25.30 | stew | xerophytev: which dns cache? |
| 16:25.30 | xerophytev | and when you do dig +trace does it hit the cache ? |
| 16:25.39 | xerophytev | stew: local |
| 16:25.41 | dutchfish | xerophyte, dig @yourdnserver -t bla blah |
| 16:25.46 | stew | xerophytev: there is no local dns cache |
| 16:25.46 | Bushmills | Skratz0r: ok. install potato, ipfw comes default with it |
| 16:25.51 | et | Bushmills: i mean typing that on the shell. |
| 16:25.52 | Skratz0r | Potato? |
| 16:25.57 | Bushmills | or was it slink? :) |
| 16:26.02 | vlt | itchi: Is "TUI" a common term for cli? |
| 16:26.05 | stew | xerophytev: unless you've installed some local dns server and your resolv.conf is pointing at it |
| 16:26.06 | Skratz0r | If it's not included anymore, then isn't there smething that replaced it? |
| 16:26.07 | et | Bushmills: your skript is basically just a for + env variable ... |
| 16:26.13 | xerophytev | stew: i mean i hit our company local dns before i hit the dns server |
| 16:26.18 | itchi | vlt: Text User Interface |
| 16:26.28 | kdubois | vlt: i think tui is more like an ncurses interface |
| 16:26.37 | xerophytev | valdyn:so +trace does not it the cache |
| 16:26.38 | Bushmills | yes, older debian. you asked "why doesn't it come by default". answer: it did |
| 16:26.42 | Bushmills | long ago |
| 16:26.43 | stew | xerophytev: then see dutchfish's selection to specify which dns server you actually want to query instead |
| 16:26.46 | Skratz0r | Heh. :P |
| 16:26.50 | kdubois | vlt: like, make menuconfig when compiling a kernel |
| 16:26.54 | Skratz0r | Well, what's replaced it nowadays? |
| 16:27.10 | itchi | vlt: vuurmuur is an ncurses interface for iptables. http://www.vuurmuur.org/trac/wiki/ScreenShots |
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| 16:27.32 | Bushmills | et, yes. read line -> substitute -> execute. |
| 16:27.44 | xerophytev | valdyn: i have issue .. my local dns giving me wrong ns server for domain .. even i clear the cache its keep on giving me wrong ns server fort hat domain ..but that domain does not have that ns server in the soa or anyother place .. do you know why does it keep getting that old ns |
| 16:28.24 | Skratz0r | xerophytev; clear your browsers cache? :S |
| 16:28.25 | Bushmills | xerophyte, check TTL for ns, or use own recursive dns |
| 16:28.38 | Skratz0r | Or use openDNS |
| 16:28.43 | Skratz0r | (Google it) |
| 16:29.03 | Bushmills | xerophyte, ns is not in soa record. |
| 16:29.11 | Bushmills | dig -t ns .. |
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| 16:29.23 | yang | do /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key also require update in the latest openssl security measure? |
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| 16:29.50 | xerophytev | Bushmills: when i clear the cache it get the correct ns server but after while it give me the old one .. just wondering how does the dns getting the old ns server ? |
| 16:29.52 | stew | yang: if they were generated with the broken openssl they do |
| 16:30.12 | dutchfish | xerophyte, if your local dns caching server in your lan is in your way point your client to an external one in /etc/resolv.conf -> nameserver=x.x.x.x |
| 16:30.23 | Bushmills | xerophyte, by using a cached record. |
| 16:30.29 | yang | stew: how exactly are those updated? |
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| 16:30.37 | Bushmills | not browser cache. time to live in dns |
| 16:30.54 | tuxipuxi | hey guys, i just did an dist-upgrade on testing and still have openssh v4.7p1-8, how come? |
| 16:30.59 | xerophytev | dutchfish: i am not trying to solve one host problem |
| 16:31.02 | tuxipuxi | source is ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 16:31.09 | dutchfish | xerophyte, ? |
| 16:31.11 | themill | !tell yang about dsa1571 |
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| 16:31.22 | themill | tuxipuxi: it's not in testing yet |
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| 16:31.31 | tuxipuxi | themill, secuity notice says so? |
| 16:31.31 | ix | !tell ix about dsa1571 |
| 16:31.39 | flosch | tuxipuxi: HUHU |
| 16:31.47 | tuxipuxi | flosch, huhu!! |
| 16:31.53 | dutchfish | xerophyte, you want to refresh your local dns server for its recursive lookups? |
| 16:31.53 | flosch | :D |
| 16:32.04 | tuxipuxi | themill, and the testing distribution |
| 16:32.04 | tuxipuxi | (lenny), these problems have been fixed in version 4.7p1-9. |
| 16:32.08 | tuxipuxi | woops sorry |
| 16:32.29 | themill | tuxipuxi: do you have lenny/updates in your sources.list? |
| 16:32.56 | tuxipuxi | themill, nope just "testing" |
| 16:32.57 | themill | tuxipuxi: actually, the package isn't there either. |
| 16:33.18 | tuxipuxi | weird |
| 16:34.00 | stew | tuxipuxi: it hasn't moved to testing yet becuase it hasn't yet been built on all architectures |
| 16:34.00 | themill | tuxipuxi: it might be still queued somewhere, or just waiting for a sid->lenny migration. |
| 16:34.11 | tuxipuxi | oh i see, thanks |
| 16:34.13 | themill | tuxipuxi: or what stew said :) |
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| 16:34.21 | stew | tuxipuxi: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openssh.html see "Testting status" |
| 16:34.33 | tuxipuxi | when should it be available? |
| 16:34.55 | stew | tuxipuxi: its available now, just not in testing, it will move to testing after it is built on all architectures |
| 16:35.08 | \amethyst | stew: first openssh-blacklist has to go in |
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| 16:35.44 | stew | \amethyst: i believe openssh-blacklist is going to get hinted in |
| 16:35.55 | \amethyst | stew: probably, but it hasn't been yet |
| 16:36.29 | kdubois | what does trivially guessable even mean? easily crackable? |
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| 16:36.55 | themill | !tell kdubois about dsa1571 |
| 16:36.57 | dutchfish | kdubois, easy to gues |
| 16:37.03 | themill | kdubois: there's a write up about it on the wiki page |
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| 16:37.28 | \amethyst | kdubois: it means that, in the past two years, debian's openssl-dev has only generated about 32000 or so different keys |
| 16:37.41 | stew | \amethyst: it has been: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/neilm |
| 16:37.51 | \amethyst | stew: ah, cool |
| 16:37.54 | stew | urgent openssh-blacklist/0.1.0 |
| 16:38.05 | et | and those not evenly distributed ;) |
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| 16:38.22 | kdubois | ohh, yeah, that is a problem... at least gnupg wasnt effected, i would want to jump off a cliff it was was... |
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| 16:38.55 | themill | stew: so http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openssh doesn't pay attention to the hints file? |
| 16:39.13 | \amethyst | et: what do you mean by 'evenly distributed'? |
| 16:39.36 | epsilon | does the new openssh package regenerate the certs during the install? |
| 16:39.41 | \amethyst | et: it's not like they're keys 0x0001, 0x0002, 0x0003, etc |
| 16:39.53 | themill | epsilon: if they're weak, yes |
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| 16:39.57 | et | \amethyst: process ids > 10k are rarer than those <10k |
| 16:40.01 | stew | themill: i guess not all. i'm assuing that its at leasat looking at the freeze hints, though |
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| 16:40.13 | \amethyst | et: but the keys aren't straight PIDs |
| 16:40.25 | et | they don't have to be |
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| 16:40.42 | \amethyst | et: they are cryptographic hashes of PIDs, so they should be evenly distributed over the keyspace |
| 16:40.52 | elegle | was it a hackers diversion? |
| 16:40.56 | epsilon | themill: ok thx |
| 16:40.59 | themill | stew: yeah, it seems to know about freeze status. The hint might post-date the migration page generation of course. |
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| 16:41.19 | et | \amethyst: i'm talking about equal probabilities of those 32k keys |
| 16:41.29 | et | it just means that some keys of those 32k are more probable than others |
| 16:41.32 | \amethyst | elegle: no, it was a well-meaning maintainer who didn't fully comprehend the change he was making |
| 16:41.38 | \amethyst | elegle: ah, ok |
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| 16:41.48 | elegle | why would debian maintainers want to change random generation algorithm anyways |
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| 16:42.14 | \amethyst | elegle: in this case, to suppress warnings from valgrind |
| 16:42.20 | Bushmills | elegle: not algorithm. initialisation of memory |
| 16:42.28 | themill | elegle: to fix other bugs |
| 16:42.31 | \amethyst | elegle: valgrind (among other things) checks for uninitialized memory access |
| 16:42.47 | Heavy-D | Do you guys recommend Dovecot for mail pickup with (along with Postfix) for a small business mail server on Etch or would there be something else that's better? |
| 16:42.54 | et | \amethyst: and that means you can pick more probable things at the start of bruteforcing, reducing the time needed for the attack |
| 16:43.04 | themill | elegle: the wiki has further information; /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 16:43.12 | \amethyst | et: the time needed for the attack is negligible anyway |
| 16:43.13 | catsup | the whole thing was a plot by the government |
| 16:43.21 | \amethyst | et: especially since it can all be performed offline |
| 16:43.42 | et | for mass attacks, time counts ;) |
| 16:43.46 | \amethyst | catsup: I did have someone ask me "I wonder how much the fed paid the maintainer for that" :) |
| 16:44.01 | catsup | this 'well-meaning' maintainer was being indicted for child molestation. the govt offered a deal: provide them the keys to thousands of debian/ubuntu boxes and no prison |
| 16:44.13 | \amethyst | um |
| 16:44.14 | themill | catsup: stop |
| 16:44.21 | et | Heavy-D: i'm content with that setup |
| 16:44.41 | catsup | anyway that's one possibility. that or he was trying to fix a valgrind warning. |
| 16:44.46 | et | Heavy-D: only a private mailserver |
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| 16:44.50 | et | +though |
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| 16:45.49 | martoss | hi folks, anybody knows a tool to print an A0 poster on several A4 pages? |
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| 16:47.29 | catsup | themill: you stop |
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| 16:48.10 | themill | catsup: Those sort of comments are really inappropriate and are not welcome here. |
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| 16:48.17 | stew | catsup: you have been silenced for 10 minutes. please refrain from making such comments in the future |
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| 16:48.55 | hjb | Hi. I've setup dovecot and squirrelmail on my box |
| 16:49.13 | V4Nelle | guys there is iwl3945 on etch repository?i read that there is only on testing and unstable......its true? |
| 16:49.55 | stew | V4Nelle: not in the etch repository since iwl3945 didnt' exist when etch was released. |
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| 16:50.01 | Eulex | V4Nelle, yes, use ipw3945 on stable |
| 16:50.03 | hjb | Works fine instead of one problem: i can't create subfolders in squirrelmail :/ |
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| 16:50.13 | hjb | Anyone else is using this comco? |
| 16:50.14 | Heavy-D | et: Why do you say only a private mailserver... or what do you mean by that? |
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| 16:50.53 | Heavy-D | et: (it is only going to be used by a handful of people) |
| 16:50.54 | stew | V4Nelle: you should be able to get a 2.6.24 kernel from backports.org and then download and install the firmware-iwlwifi pacakge from pdo : /msg dpkg bpo ; /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 16:51.35 | et | Heavy-D: it means that i'm only using it for myself, so i don't have experience if user administration is a problem. wouldn't think so though |
| 16:51.52 | fasta | I don't think it's that odd to believe it's some kind of plot. Getting to own whatever machine you want for a few Kdollars doesn't seem like a very high price. There are probably people wanting to pay >$100K to own some specific machines. Combine a few of those offers and you are talking about millions. |
| 16:51.56 | V4Nelle | ok guys.....thx :) |
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| 16:52.01 | themill | stew: 2.6.24 isn't in backports.org; it's in etch-proposed-updates |
| 16:52.05 | themill | V4Nelle: wait |
| 16:52.27 | needbeer | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 |
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| 16:52.51 | grendal_prime | the buntus are all useless |
| 16:52.51 | Eulex | V4Nelle, ipw3945 should run just as well as iwl3945 would |
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| 16:53.07 | grendal_prime | anyone had any luch with nvidia drivers on a newer dell? |
| 16:53.13 | grendal_prime | luck that is |
| 16:53.21 | themill | V4Nelle: 2.6.24 is in etch-proposed-updates (/msg dpkg etchnhalf). Alternatively, 2.6.22 is in backports (/msg dpkg bpo) and you can install iwlwifi yourself (/msg dpkg iwlwifi). Or just /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
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| 16:53.23 | Heavy-D | et: okay, thanks :) |
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| 16:53.28 | docmax | hello |
| 16:53.32 | Heavy-D | I effing love Debian. |
| 16:53.32 | Heavy-D | hehe |
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| 16:53.36 | grul | buntus are great for "recruiting" new users to gnu/linux :) |
| 16:53.44 | docmax | why do i have to recompile everything when i install a new kernel? |
| 16:53.52 | docmax | (some technical background please) |
| 16:54.07 | Deezire | Yoy shouldnt have to do that. |
| 16:54.11 | stew | docmax: what do you mean by "everything"? |
| 16:54.18 | needbeer | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 |
| 16:54.26 | Deezire | I've never done any changes after a kernel upgrade. |
| 16:54.26 | streuner | needbeer: don't paste such stuff here, you have otherwise a good chance to get a k-line |
| 16:54.26 | docmax | nvidia drivers had to be re-compiled |
| 16:54.40 | docmax | vmware and virtuabox modules the same |
| 16:54.43 | Deezire | And in most cases you should use apt instead of compiling your self. |
| 16:54.45 | dutchfish | gm please ban needbeer for spam |
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| 16:55.00 | docmax | vmware is not on apt |
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| 16:55.08 | Deezire | But Xen is ;) |
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| 16:55.16 | Bushmills | qemu is |
| 16:55.29 | docmax | i want vmware |
| 16:55.30 | fasta | docmax: because the internal kernel APIs change. |
| 16:55.39 | Deezire | I guess it has to do with missing kernel modules then |
| 16:55.42 | docmax | fasta: thanks |
| 16:55.43 | Bushmills | docmax: your problem. |
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| 16:55.54 | pablo | hi, do you recommend any other tool part from update-notifier to notify software updates and upgrade? |
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| 16:56.01 | fasta | docmax: but "everything" should also include user-space software. |
| 16:56.10 | fasta | docmax: user-space is not affected. |
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| 16:56.52 | docmax | and what is userspace software for example? |
| 16:57.08 | docmax | things like text editors... etc? |
| 16:57.22 | fasta | docmax: ls, gedit, vim, emacs, etc. |
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| 16:58.29 | Bushmills | docmax: installing vmware means, you have to recompile even more when installing a new kernel. thus answer is: you have to because of your choice of software |
| 16:58.29 | grendal_prime | docmax: |
| 16:58.32 | docmax | its really annoying to compile everything |
| 16:58.33 | grendal_prime | cany you help me with that nvidia business? |
| 16:58.34 | fasta | docmax: if you want to know why there is no stable kernel API, get the Linux source code and read all about it. (There is a document describing the technical advantages of not doing so.) |
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| 16:59.02 | catsup | hah |
| 16:59.05 | grendal_prime | i got a new machine here dell precissioin...4300 but nvidia video card. |
| 16:59.09 | catsup | i just got back to the computer |
| 16:59.15 | grendal_prime | i cant get it to run in accelerated mode |
| 16:59.16 | docmax | API =Application Programming Interface |
| 16:59.24 | Bushmills | docmax: stop whining. using debian stuff doesn't require a lot recompilation |
| 16:59.24 | catsup | scrolled up and saw that stew set +b for saying 'you stop' |
| 16:59.29 | docmax | what exactly does change? |
| 16:59.34 | catsup | scrolled down and saw -b |
| 17:00.01 | docmax | bushmills: shal i get back to kernel 2.6.24? |
| 17:00.09 | docmax | this was the original debian |
| 17:00.40 | docmax | now i have 2.6.25 and things seem to go better (especcially standby support) |
| 17:01.25 | fasta | docmax: it is easier to just run the Stable distribution of Debian for most users. |
| 17:01.34 | Bushmills | docmax: installing vmware -> need to recompile modules on next kernel change. using qemu -> no need to recompile. you want vmware, your say, than be a man and bear the consequences of having to recompile stuff., |
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| 17:02.23 | fasta | docmax: the easiest solution is to make a small script that does the recompilation automatically next time. |
| 17:02.25 | docmax | so better use qemu?? |
| 17:02.40 | Eulex | qemu is an emulator (unless you install kqemu, in which case you need to recompile that for every new kernel...). vmware is a virtualiser. |
| 17:02.51 | docmax | does it support usb 2.0 and has guest drivers for graphics? |
| 17:03.02 | Eulex | unless you have intel vt capable hardware (or the amd equivalent) |
| 17:03.15 | docmax | anyway.. recompiling is not the problem |
| 17:03.15 | Eulex | docmax, neither, afaik |
| 17:03.39 | docmax | im just wondering |
| 17:03.50 | docmax | why recompiling |
| 17:03.57 | docmax | technical background |
| 17:04.03 | pablo | hi, what do you recommend to automatize pachages updates instead of update-notifier? |
| 17:04.05 | Eulex | the kernel APi changed between versions |
| 17:04.17 | valdyn | Eulex: but the issue isnt just api |
| 17:04.17 | Eulex | pablo, cron-apt (if you really have to) |
| 17:05.03 | pablo | Eulex: what do you use? |
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| 17:05.11 | valdyn | docmax: the interface between modules and the kernel itself changes often, that is why a recompile is enforced, though theoretically not always required |
| 17:05.14 | Bushmills | docmax: part reason is, in case of vmware, it requires two modules. they don't come with kernel source, but with vmsource. with different kernel, you need those modules for the different kernel. |
| 17:05.19 | fasta | Eulex: I already said that. |
| 17:05.26 | Bushmills | with vmware, i mean |
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| 17:05.38 | pablo | Eulex: or you do update upgrade every day? |
| 17:05.41 | Eulex | pablo, I use apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, manually once a aday. |
| 17:06.08 | themill | catsup: you weren't +b for saying "you stop" and you know it. (Well, if you don't know it, then perhaps you need to think a little bit harder about it.) |
| 17:06.09 | Eulex | pablo, but automatic updating isn't really a possibility on something that is not a stable release of debian. |
| 17:06.10 | pablo | Eulex: ok, why dont put it in the cron? |
| 17:06.10 | dutchfish | reminds valdyn that kqemu still makes kernel tainted |
| 17:06.25 | Eulex | pablo, because that will eventually break my system. |
| 17:06.36 | themill | dutchfish: not on lenny |
| 17:06.37 | valdyn | dutchfish: no idea, i thought kqemu was freed |
| 17:06.44 | Eulex | pablo, also, apt-get requires user input. cron can't give it that. thus cron-apt was created. |
| 17:07.05 | themill | valdyn, dutchfish: kqemu is free post-etch |
| 17:07.08 | dutchfish | themill, valdyn on etch, didnt know it was freed in lenny |
| 17:07.15 | valdyn | I see |
| 17:07.31 | dutchfish | themill, valdyn thanks for pointing that out :) |
| 17:07.53 | pablo | Eulex: do you use gnome? |
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| 17:08.11 | Eulex | pablo, nope. |
| 17:08.38 | pablo | Eulex: kde? or which wm? |
| 17:08.41 | Eulex | xfce |
| 17:08.57 | miksuh | pablo: yep |
| 17:09.01 | pablo | Eulex: you dont like update-notifier or things like that? |
| 17:09.03 | miksuh | gnome |
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| 17:09.17 | miksuh | ah you asked from Eulex |
| 17:09.21 | Eulex | nope |
| 17:09.29 | fasta | Isn't update-notifier an Ubuntu thing? |
| 17:09.31 | ]josh[ | why doesnt this command work: date -d 'Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:34:55 -0800' +'%Y%m%d%H%M%S' > ~/public_html/date.txt |
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| 17:09.42 | ]josh[ | it says line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' |
| 17:09.44 | miksuh | fasta: it's in debian too |
| 17:09.45 | Eulex | !find update-notifier |
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| 17:09.59 | Bushmills | fasta: apt-cache search would have told you |
| 17:10.06 | pablo | fasta: it is on debian repos |
| 17:10.18 | miksuh | fasta: if you install with gnome etc then updata-notifier is installed by default |
| 17:10.38 | Bushmills | ]josh[: count the number of ' |
| 17:10.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-notifier' (4 of 5): (/usr/share/apt-file/apt-file-update.update-notifier) in admin/apt-file ;; (/usr/share/iceowl/iceowl-restart-required.update-notifier) in web/iceowl ;; (/usr/share/icedove/icedove-restart-required.update-notifier) in mail/icedove ;; (/usr/share/iceweasel/iceweasel-restart-required.update-notifier) in web/iceweasel. |
| 17:11.04 | miksuh | fasta: it's in Etch, Lenny and Sid |
| 17:11.06 | fasta | I saw it in Ubuntu on some screenshot once and thought it looked pretty slick. Sorry for not searching, but it's not like the channel was that active. |
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| 17:13.02 | pablo | well, are there other alternatives to update-notifier? |
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| 17:13.21 | themill | pablo: cron-apt is what I use. No gui, but who needs one? |
| 17:13.52 | pablo | themill: thats ok, i dont need gui |
| 17:14.00 | pablo | are there others? |
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| 17:14.51 | vizzy | hi, i have the following problem on installing gftp with synaptic or/and aptitude: http://pastebin.com/d5b0d29e |
| 17:15.12 | klync | i lost my terminal in the middle of a dist-upgrade... i'm able to log back in, but wondering what's the best (safest!) way to resume the upgrade "--fix-missing?" |
| 17:15.14 | vizzy | how can i clean up/rebuld this file? |
| 17:15.52 | ]josh[ | Bushmills, the ' are fine |
| 17:16.03 | valdyn | !listkey available |
| 17:16.04 | ]josh[ | check for yourself, it still wont run |
| 17:16.06 | valdyn | !listkeys available |
| 17:16.07 | vizzy | klync, you could use screen or similar to run the upgrade in a background shell |
| 17:16.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'available' by key (6): _default available ;; available ;; public key not available ;; #debian available ;; #debian /var/lib/dpkg/available fix ;; /var/lib/dpkg/available fix. |
| 17:16.16 | Bushmills | ]josh[: running that command from a script? |
| 17:16.16 | valdyn | !available |
| 17:16.16 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
| 17:16.31 | valdyn | vizzy: ^^^ |
| 17:16.37 | vizzy | oh, thx :) |
| 17:16.39 | miksuh | fasta: You mean like this :) That screenshot was taken 8 months before etch was released |
| 17:16.41 | miksuh | http://www.saunalahti.fi/~miksuh2/screenshots/etch/etch/img150.jpeg |
| 17:16.49 | themill | ]josh[: can you pastebin the entire script or at least a couple of lines around it |
| 17:16.53 | vizzy | that was very quick and competent help :D |
| 17:17.09 | klync | vizzy: well, the process that was running exited when i was disconnected... so, i'm wondering how to safely resume |
| 17:17.21 | valdyn | !factinfo available |
| 17:17.21 | dpkg | available -- created by dondelelcaro <n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Sun Mar 30 11:23:02 2008 (46 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by valdyn, 1m 5s ago. |
| 17:17.49 | ]josh[ | the command is the entire script |
| 17:18.06 | ]josh[ | apart from #!/bin/sh |
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| 17:18.33 | valdyn | klync: just rerun the command |
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| 17:18.41 | superbsd | hi all |
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| 17:18.49 | superbsd | anyone still awake? |
| 17:18.59 | superbsd | anyone still awake from australia? |
| 17:19.09 | vizzy | great, a simple deselect update did it :) thx |
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| 17:19.56 | Bushmills | vizzy, pastebin tail -10 /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 17:20.16 | superbsd | i am looking for a famous online site where i can sell my bussiness . do u know a site? |
| 17:20.21 | vizzy | Bushmills, solved, thx, dselect update rebuilt it successfully |
| 17:20.32 | stew | superbsd: do you have a debian related question? |
| 17:20.44 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.48 | superbsd | maybe later |
| 17:20.52 | klync | vizzy: thx... there was an extra step, but apt gave me the instructions for how to recover when i ran it |
| 17:21.02 | superbsd | maybe later i have a question |
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| 17:21.33 | stew | superbsd: please keep quiet until you have something debian related. perhaps try #defocus for you non-debian needs |
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| 17:21.54 | hdm | nice work on the SSLKeys wiki page |
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| 17:22.06 | hdm | linked to it from my site |
| 17:22.24 | hdm | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ ^ |
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| 17:22.33 | badcfe | hmm. i had an ssh session to a remote host ... and then i saw that it was very slow and that it was neither the machine or the network. then i started another one to the same machine and on that second one i didnt have the problem of missing reactivity (actually i observed latency due to the tty .. because when i pinged myself for example it was normal). how could the tty setting have become like this? (decremented baud rate?) i must have |
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| 17:23.02 | trifler | Erm I've mounted an img to a folder mnt/ how do i unmount it? |
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| 17:23.04 | pandrew | can i install debian from the network while running an existing system? like a livecd? |
| 17:23.23 | Bushmills | pandrew: yes |
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| 17:24.02 | fasta | trifler: umount <directory you mounted> |
| 17:24.05 | pandrew | Bushmills: can you give me directions? |
| 17:24.15 | pandrew | Bushmills: on where to read... |
| 17:24.16 | trifler | fasta: It says "its busy" :( |
| 17:24.25 | fasta | trifler: umount -l <directory you mounted> |
| 17:24.29 | trifler | fasta: device is busy |
| 17:24.30 | klync | i can google it, but if anyone has a quick pointer... seems this machine didn't recieve the updated keys from a while back: "Some packages could not be authenticated" |
| 17:24.31 | Bushmills | pandrew: install an read about debootstrap / cdebootstrap |
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| 17:24.50 | fasta | trifler: if it's still busy then, check whether indeed it is. |
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| 17:24.54 | hdm | trifler: make sure no process is using filesin that directory - change to a directory outside of the mounted folder in your shell |
| 17:25.06 | hdm | you can use fuser / lsof to figure out what has files open in the folder |
| 17:25.12 | adama | trifler: lsof <directory you mounted> |
| 17:25.15 | ftp3 | using this scenario: IP address: 192.168.1.130 Gateway: 192.168.1.129 Netmask: 255.255.255.128 <-- what should my "broadcast" be? |
| 17:25.23 | trifler | Ty umount -l worked |
| 17:25.43 | hdm | ftp3: probably 192.168.1.255 |
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| 17:26.00 | sandsmark | is the ssh-vulnkey utility available in lenny? |
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| 17:26.14 | trifler | adama: lsof show me if anything was using from the moutet folder? |
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| 17:26.17 | ftp3 | hdm: thanks.. it is.. but its not working.. will continue troubleshooting :-) ty |
| 17:27.28 | adama | trifler: yes it will show info of processes depending on that file/location |
| 17:27.33 | pandrew | Bushmills: thanks |
| 17:27.53 | adama | trifler: you will still have to take care of this after umount -l |
| 17:28.00 | Bushmills | pandrew: np |
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| 17:28.14 | deufrai_ | I'm addressing the newly discovered vulnerabilty in openssh here. dist-upgraded, ran ssh-vulnkey and found a few compromised keys. In the process of regenerating user SSH keys, I'm asked for a passphrase. What is it used for ? |
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| 17:28.41 | Bushmills | deufrai, prevent use of public key by unauthorized people |
| 17:28.44 | Bushmills | sryt |
| 17:28.46 | Bushmills | private key i mean |
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| 17:29.05 | Maliuta | or maybe it goes to the hackers to let the break into your system ;P |
| 17:29.21 | deufrai_ | Bushmills: ok, thanx. I guess I won't be asked for it again later, huh ? |
| 17:29.24 | et | deufrai_: if you don't supply a passphrase, anyone who gets his hands on your private key can use it |
| 17:29.25 | Eulex | deufrai, you have to enter it when you ssh from one system to another when using that private key |
| 17:29.30 | Bushmills | deufraiwhenever you use it |
| 17:29.47 | et | not when you use an agent ... |
| 17:29.51 | Bushmills | unless cached |
| 17:29.57 | deufrai_ | I'm not using an agent |
| 17:30.05 | deufrai_ | ok, thanx for the replies, folks :) |
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| 17:34.16 | anvesh | hello, can anyone help me out in working with apt-cacher |
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| 17:36.10 | Eulex | anvesh, install it and repoint your apt sources per the instructions? |
| 17:36.45 | chops | anvesh: It's better to read the docs and try to describe any particular problem you run into than just to ask for help in general :-) |
| 17:36.52 | simonrvn | anvesh: READMEs exist to be read, not look pretty in a directory listing |
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| 17:38.36 | simonrvn | "i'm a doctor, not a systems admin!" |
| 17:38.49 | simonrvn | </Bones> |
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| 17:39.50 | jim | calm down Bones, just keep throwing money at the problem... |
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| 17:40.17 | simonrvn | grins |
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| 17:43.27 | V4Nelle | any help about that problem with ati? http://pastebin.com/d2ecb87b4 |
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| 17:46.04 | rot26 | I'm trying to bend my mind around module-assistant... I understand that I can use it to build and install out of tree modules, but what if the upstream module I would like is not available as a package for m-a? |
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| 17:46.58 | jim | rot26: then either you could author the packaging for it or you'd have to build it without using m-a |
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| 17:48.26 | Caemyr | i can see WINE is still not updated in its pkg |
| 17:48.47 | rot26 | jim: I realize that I am probably diving in over my head, but is there any documentation out there as to how I would author a source package for m-a? |
| 17:49.06 | rot26 | i've read the wiki and man page for m-a and am not gathering much more than how to install existing sources |
| 17:49.24 | jim | rot26: you'd have to understand kernel-package pretty well |
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| 17:49.38 | \amethyst | rot26: /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO-DEVEL.gz |
| 17:50.01 | rot26 | aha, thank you both! I will check that out |
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| 17:50.27 | ^A^kira | hey ppl, how can i backup packages before upgrade so i'll be able to downgrade them in case of instability? |
| 17:51.04 | jim | ^A^kira: you'd back up your entire installation before the upgrade |
| 17:51.15 | jim | that's certainly one way |
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| 17:51.30 | ^A^kira | jim, well, how i do that? |
| 17:51.47 | ^A^kira | sry but im newbie to debian and i didn't find any manuals |
| 17:51.49 | jim | one way, get a tape drive |
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| 17:51.55 | warriorness | hey all, I reconfigured the disks on my debian server so the secondary drive, previously /dev/sda, is now /dev/hdb. 'fdisk -l' shows partitions hdb1 through hdb4, but when I go to mount it, I get 'special device /dev/hdbX' doesn't exist - I looked in /dev, and there's a /dev/hdb but no /dev/hdb{1,4}. Any ideas what's wrong? What can I do about this? |
| 17:52.06 | Bushmills | ^A^kira: debootstrap an alternative installation, chroot to that one, install there. if instable, don't install to your main installation |
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| 17:56.29 | jim | warriorness: maybe udev is trying to keep the names of the partitions the same... see if your original partitions are in /dev |
| 17:56.39 | jim | under their original names |
| 17:57.18 | rwaite | do you guys know of an easy way to backup a debian system using lvm -completely- while it is online, that is, to where it can be restored bare metal |
| 17:57.25 | rwaite | the lvm is messing me up |
| 17:57.55 | Bushmills | rwaite: xfs supports, afaik, live backups |
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| 17:58.34 | warriorness | jim: no, there's no /dev/sd* |
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| 17:59.04 | rwaite | well, i am saying that like, if i tar a running system to a network drive on a 'normal' partition system, it is trivial to create the right partition sizes and untar it onto a new disk |
| 17:59.12 | rwaite | but with lvm, that seems, impossible |
| 18:00.04 | jim | you're doing the backup in single-user mode, right? |
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| 18:01.18 | rwaite | no, this is just a cron job running nightly |
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| 18:01.43 | stew | rwaite: this is what lvm snapshots are for |
| 18:01.45 | rwaite | i can tar the system, and dd the mbr |
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| 18:02.08 | rwaite | but how to restore bare metal quickly, that is the problem i'm running into |
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| 18:02.30 | rwaite | each lv/pv whatever has some uuid and the initramfs looks for a specific uuid when booting |
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| 18:03.15 | sloloem | I'm trying to figure out dynamic DNS with BIND9 and DHCP3-server, I can't find anything missing in my configs from what I've been reading, but there is no indication in logs dhcpd is even trying to talk to named, can anyone help me figure out what's wrong? |
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| 18:04.26 | jim | before the machine is booted, it doesn't have an IP yet |
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| 18:05.34 | jim | a dhcp client might send a hostname to the server so it gets a specific IP |
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| 18:06.26 | sloloem | Would that show up in logs if it was sent? How would I doublecheck my client config? |
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| 18:07.09 | klync | after dist-upgrading to etch, i'm getting "Some packages could not be authenticated"... tried doing "apt-key update" but that doesn't fix it; any ideas? |
| 18:07.22 | jim | I'm guessing there are both client and server logs that are worth looking at |
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| 18:07.33 | stew | klync: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 18:07.39 | klync | thx stew |
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| 18:09.08 | klync | looks like that's working |
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| 18:10.03 | sloloem | jim, all I see in client syslog is request, ack, and says at was bound. |
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| 18:12.25 | jim | sloloem: I have to go... why don't you describe exactly to the channel what -effect- you're trying to get, exactly and completely... what do you want to happen, exactly, when a new machine connects? |
| 18:12.44 | stew | sloloem: you have ddns3-client installed? |
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| 18:13.00 | sloloem | stew, on my dns server or my client? |
| 18:13.50 | stew | sloloem: on the dhcp server |
| 18:14.09 | stew | or wait, hmm its been a long time since i set any of that up |
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| 18:16.01 | stew | sloloem: yeah, ignore me, ddns3 client would be one that went on the dhcp client machine, you should be able to get your dhcp server to update bind |
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| 18:17.18 | sloloem | Should being the operative term |
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| 18:19.32 | xsd | if i do iptables-restore <rules.txt they are instantly applied? do i need to restart the service? |
| 18:20.46 | stew | sloloem: and it looks like dhcp3-server has this built in now. did you configure your dhcpd.conf for ddns updates? |
| 18:20.54 | stew | xsd: they are instantly applied |
| 18:21.00 | Bushmills | xsd, nope |
| 18:21.27 | xsd | Bushmills, nope means instantly? |
| 18:21.36 | jim | you'd not have to restart |
| 18:21.45 | Bushmills | xsd,yes. nothing to restart |
| 18:22.03 | xsd | thanks |
| 18:22.23 | sloloem | stew, as far as I know I did. I have ddns-update-style interim; ddns-updates on; ddns-domainname, do-forward-updates. I have key set in the zones in my subnet declaration... What else do I need? |
| 18:22.37 | simonrvn | all iptables does is set up the strctures in kernel memory, there's nothing to run like a daemon. |
| 18:23.17 | stew | sloloem: ddns-hostname? |
| 18:24.26 | sloloem | stew, I thought overrode the hostname given by the client...I haven't been finding much explanation of what each parameter is...or what version of dhcp they apply to. |
| 18:24.32 | sloloem | What would that need to be? |
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| 18:25.31 | stew | sloloem: ddns-hostname would be the hostname of the dns server, if its not present, its going to try to find the dns server based on the FQDN of the requested name. but then your clients would have to be requesting by FQDN (which they may or may not be) |
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| 18:26.38 | oxnard_montalvo | how does one update openssl in lenny? |
| 18:27.12 | stew | oxnard_montalvo: aptitude install openssl libssl0.9.8 |
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| 18:27.57 | Zoup | do you know any GTK gecko browser based on firefox but faster/lighter ? |
| 18:28.16 | sloloem | stew, woo! some output this time. "Forward map from batman.local to 10.200.0.1 FAILED: Has an A record but no DHCID, not mine." |
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| 18:28.47 | stew | sloloem: does that output make sense to you? |
| 18:28.57 | toor | Zoup: how about galeon? |
| 18:28.59 | simonrvn | galeon comes to mind, epiphany(-gecko) too |
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| 18:29.28 | Zoup | do you know any thing else since i don't like those two |
| 18:29.31 | oxnard_montalvo | ok, this is a fresh lenny install, I've done aptitude install openssl libsssl0.9.8 again, rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host*, dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 18:29.33 | sloloem | stew, unfortunately not in the least. All I know is it means it didn't work. batman is the hostname of the dhcp/dns server, but 10.200.0.1 is the IP of the client. |
| 18:29.44 | oxnard_montalvo | dowkd.pl insists the keys are still weak |
| 18:30.14 | oxnard_montalvo | has the updated openssl packages not hit lenny? |
| 18:30.14 | stew | sloloem: as i read it, the dhcp server is saying. "I would update the dns for batman.local, but the DNS server for local already has an A record for batman, and its not one that came from me, so i'd best leave it alone" |
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| 18:30.50 | stew | oxnard_montalvo: they hit lenny several days ago |
| 18:31.11 | ^donald^ | Is it possible to check openvpn certificates with dowkd.pl? |
| 18:31.11 | oxnard_montalvo | how am I being stupid here? |
| 18:31.25 | Bushmills | oxnard_montalvo: install libssl0.9.8 instead of libsssl0.9.8 |
| 18:32.22 | stew | oxnard_montalvo: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssl libssl0.9.8" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:32.22 | oxnard_montalvo | irc typo |
| 18:32.22 | Bushmills | what does dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 show? |
| 18:32.39 | oxnard_montalvo | oh frig, It'll be the mirror I'm using that's b0rked |
| 18:32.40 | oxnard_montalvo | sorry |
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| 18:36.10 | ilon_ | hello, i'm having trouble getting my onboard SATA controller to work.. its a via motherboard with a VT6420 sata raid controller, works just fine if i boot of a live CD, but not when booting on a 2.6.21 kernel |
| 18:36.10 | aixenv | i got a drive with input / output errors whats the best way to remotely try and fix this. by dropppin into fsck and whats the way to determine if this is software raid? |
| 18:36.36 | ilon_ | this is what i get yout of dmesg http://pastebin.com/d62011e53 |
| 18:36.37 | sloloem | stew, that was the ddns-hostname. I set it to the hostname of my server and it error'd since the record already existed, I set it to the hostname of the client and release/renew and it went through fine. It's obviously impractical to add host entries to dhcpd.conf for every machine, and it's not very dynamic. Would that imply something wrong client-side? |
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| 18:37.05 | aixenv | EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=2621718, block=5242890 |
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| 18:38.02 | exobyte | ilon_: is this your problem? http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8650 |
| 18:39.27 | Sebboh | Hi. Is there a tool that will check my lvm setup for errors? Like.. in the output of pvs, these numbers don't add up. So I'd like to run some sort of check.. |
| 18:39.51 | valdyn | aixenv: md is software raid |
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| 18:40.08 | valdyn | aixenv: see also /proc/mdstat |
| 18:40.10 | aixenv | ok, whats the best way to try and repair this over ssH/ |
| 18:40.22 | valdyn | aixenv: which type of raid is it? |
| 18:40.24 | aixenv | ok ty.. raid1 |
| 18:40.38 | aixenv | just pull that drive and put a new drive in and let it rebuild the raid? |
| 18:40.44 | valdyn | aixenv: no |
| 18:40.51 | aixenv | valdyn: advice? |
| 18:41.05 | valdyn | aixenv: once an error transcends the raid its not just an issue of one broken disk |
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| 18:41.22 | aixenv | ok, this drive has a HDD light also |
| 18:41.30 | aixenv | try and fsck it? |
| 18:41.51 | valdyn | aixenv: is there no related error in dmesg? |
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| 18:42.00 | aixenv | there are .. ill paste bin |
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| 18:42.17 | atomiku | Any idea when KDE4 will be in the stable repos? |
| 18:42.21 | DexterF | hi. can someone give pointers on how to backport "sonata" to etch? the usual backporting via source code didn't work |
| 18:42.23 | valdyn | aixenv: and whats the content of /proc/mdstat concerning that raid? |
| 18:42.50 | ilon_ | exobyte: not the exact one, but i saw some notices about the power in the thread, will try to move it around a bit and see if the problems persists |
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| 18:43.01 | stew | sloloem: are your clients sending a hostname as part of the dhcp request? |
| 18:43.17 | riocagain | how do i put numbers on left size on putty ? |
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| 18:43.34 | ^donald^ | is there openssl-vulnkey and openvpn-vulnkey for Debian? I only see it for Ubuntu. |
| 18:43.41 | aixenv | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d7d99c862 |
| 18:43.48 | ilon_ | exobyte: tho the disk works just fine on a liveCD |
| 18:43.56 | stew | riocagain: what do you mean by "number on the left size"? |
| 18:44.00 | ilon_ | exobyte: so its hard to belive it would be HW issues |
| 18:44.15 | valdyn | aixenv: you have a raid with 1 disk already gone and the remaining disk broken too |
| 18:44.21 | sloloem | stew, I figured it out. I had use-host-decl-names on at one point, removed it because I thought it was something different...added something else...I think do-forward-updates. Then just put it back in. |
| 18:44.31 | valdyn | aixenv: this is not fixable easily |
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| 18:44.46 | aixenv | does the (F) = fail? |
| 18:44.49 | stew | sloloem: i misread ddns-hostname as being the named hostname, but it is fact the client hostname |
| 18:44.50 | valdyn | aixenv: reboot first to exclude driver errors |
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| 18:45.03 | aixenv | ok valdyn im doing a backup real quick. to get the latest data |
| 18:45.19 | valdyn | aixenv: then take a backup of the md0 ( dd if=/dev/md0 of=file.image ) and work with that |
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| 18:45.38 | StucKman | hi all. if I have a parition image in a file with a ext3 fs inside, can I just resize the ext3 fs and it will start using more disk? |
| 18:45.55 | stew | ^donald^: its in the openssh-client package |
| 18:45.57 | aixenv | valdyn: will fsck possibly fix this? or do i just need to replace both disks and rebuild the server |
| 18:45.58 | atomiku | Any idea when KDE4 will be in the stable repos? |
| 18:45.59 | valdyn | aixenv: that backup should probably not get you far though, see ddrescue, which is a little more robust, but nothing can fix your physically broken disk |
| 18:46.11 | valdyn | aixenv: fsck is unrelated |
| 18:46.14 | StucKman | atomiku: next stable, I think |
| 18:46.19 | PaulTT | Hi all, is there a way to run a user's crontab entries or to see if the crontab entries have run? crontab -u <user> -l lists the entries, but I see no sign that they actually run. |
| 18:46.26 | valdyn | aixenv: fsck fixes filesystem layout issues, it does not fix broken block devices.. |
| 18:46.27 | aixenv | valdyn: i have a full server backup , ok so are both disks broken? or just 1 |
| 18:46.29 | atomiku | StucKman: thanks :) |
| 18:46.32 | StucKman | atomiku: i.e., it won't reach etch |
| 18:46.35 | aixenv | valdyn: understood |
| 18:46.39 | fasta | Why can't I save some pdf documents I open in evince? I guess some PDF documents contain some bits that basically ask "please do not save this" and that this client (evince) listens to that (which makes no sense at all, since the client is there to serve the computer user (i.e. me), not somebody else). |
| 18:46.41 | valdyn | aixenv: the dmesg tells that both are broken |
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| 18:47.06 | sloloem | stew, thanks for getting me there. |
| 18:47.09 | riocagain | what is the vi option to show numbers on ssh putty ? |
| 18:47.13 | aixenv | valdyn: because md0 encompasses both disks right |
| 18:47.13 | valdyn | aixenv: but any such message cannot know about driver issues or harddisk firmware issues, both of which can be cleaned with a reboot, possibly |
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| 18:47.24 | ^donald^ | stew: When i install this package on a Debian System i got the command ssh-vulnkey but not openvpn-vulnkey and openssl-vulnkey - I want to check my OpenVPN Keys. |
| 18:47.42 | aixenv | valdyn: this server had input/output error on ssh attempt this AM, it was pdu rebooted. worked fine for a bit and then input / output errors |
| 18:47.46 | stew | ^donald^: oh, i'm sorry, i misread |
| 18:47.46 | aixenv | and read-only file system |
| 18:47.55 | Bakkal | how to open port 3306 using iptables? |
| 18:48.03 | valdyn | aixenv: your primary error is: Buffer I/O error on device md0, logical block 3 |
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| 18:48.13 | valdyn | aixenv: that means "broken block 3 on disk" |
| 18:48.17 | ^donald^ | stew: np, but do you know how to check the openvpn keys, or how i get these commands in a clean Debian system? |
| 18:48.21 | aixenv | ok |
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| 18:48.29 | stew | ^donald^: file a wishlist bug against the openvpn package to include the tool |
| 18:48.44 | valdyn | aixenv: ext3 has to be hit by that error obviously and prints its own interpretation of whats wrong |
| 18:49.20 | valdyn | aixenv: i would rebuild the server from backup, because thats the most easy solution |
| 18:49.28 | ^donald^ | stew: thats a good idea. |
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| 18:49.38 | aixenv | valdyn: and replace both drives yes? |
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| 18:49.47 | valdyn | aixenv: and replace both disks, and verify that the disks are really broken ( and you dont have a 3rd reason ) |
| 18:49.59 | Bushmills | ^donald^: key date is a reasonable indicator. older or equal than aug 2006 -> not affected. more recent -> possibly affected when ssl updated since. |
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| 18:51.46 | DexterF | I just set etch-backports to priority to 600. now all is fine, shiny new apps, but when I search for python-mpd which I know is in etch it doesn't appear. does aptitude now search *only* backports? |
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| 18:52.43 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:52.46 | ^donald^ | Bushmills: Yes, i know. But the Keys were created on 2006-09-25 and the installation CD was a Debian sarge. But i don't know, if i have fist made a dist-upgrade or first create the keys. In case of a dist-upgrade they a affected, or? |
| 18:52.59 | riot | uh, dist-upgrading before the installer finished is baad |
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| 18:54.07 | Bushmills | ^donald^: doesn't hurt to replace keys from time to time, regardless of bug. almost 2 years may be a good moment, don't care whether keys weak or not. |
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| 18:55.03 | DexterF | the python-mpd thing: nvm, my fault, not in etch |
| 18:55.38 | ^donald^ | Bushmills: Yes, but the server has about 30 clients. Very hard work :/ |
| 18:55.53 | aixenv | valdyn: we're replacing the drives and reinstalling debian etch |
| 18:56.07 | aixenv | valdyn: appreciate the help diagnosing, ill let you know if i need anything |
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| 18:57.08 | ilon_ | ok, my system find the SATA disc, but it dosnt map it to /dev/sda as it should, what could be the problem? http://pastebin.com/d51ecace2 |
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| 18:58.27 | Bushmills | ^donald^: time for a bit of minimal scripting |
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| 19:00.37 | n3kl | I am trying to setup a pxe boot server to load a remote root over nfs and boot the client. I hace pxe working and tftp and everything, I have setup the nfs share, everything looks good. |
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| 19:01.26 | n3kl | I figured I could debootstrap the root and use that as the base, so I have done so, but now I am looking for a kernel image to tell syslinux about. Where can I get the kernel? I would expect deboostrap to download on, but it didn't |
| 19:01.27 | riocagain | help to install FMS on Debian64bit : ./installFMS: line 171: No such file |
| 19:01.40 | riocagain | ./fmsini: No such file or directory |
| 19:01.51 | sepski | n3kl, just install the kernel you want your client to use |
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| 19:02.40 | sepski | n3kl, then edit the config file for whatever initram/initrd tool you use to say that you want to netboot and recreate the initrd |
| 19:02.46 | Bushmills | n3kl: syslinux? pxelinux? you can compile one. though, someone told me here that modern stock kernels support root over nfs, i can't confirm that though. |
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| 19:03.26 | n3kl | So I sould just be able to apt-get -dy linuxkernel er whatever and copy it on over? |
| 19:03.41 | sepski | n3kl, Bushmills i can confirm that they do, but you have to tell the script making the initrd that you want to netboot |
| 19:04.09 | Bushmills | sepski: good to know, thanks |
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| 19:04.13 | sepski | aptget linux-image-whatever-you-like , edit initrd config, recreate initd. and copy initrd+kernel to tftp |
| 19:04.16 | TinoW | hi |
| 19:04.58 | TinoW | hm. wenn exim4-base contains /etc/init.d/exim4 but installing it keeps the init file missing, what could be wrong? |
| 19:05.03 | n3kl | sepski: should I chroot to teh debootstrap or something? |
| 19:05.15 | sepski | yes |
| 19:05.27 | DexterF | when I get this trying to build a src-deb, what's wrong: dh_install: sonata missing files (usr/lib/python*/site-packages/Sonata*), aborting |
| 19:05.27 | n3kl | ah |
| 19:05.32 | sepski | you might want to mount proc and set sane nameserver config too. but that's notmal chroot thingies |
| 19:05.47 | sepski | normal |
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| 19:06.46 | Bushmills | sepski: really? the debootstrap system is the one being mounted by the root-over nfs kernel. the kernel itself is provided by, i suppose, pxelinux. chroot really needed for getting the kernel? |
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| 19:07.23 | sepski | Bushmills, yes for downloading it, configuring initrd. and generating initrd |
| 19:07.27 | n3kl | is vserver another xen vmware emulation software thing? |
| 19:07.47 | Bakkal | emulation is not virtualization |
| 19:07.58 | TinoW | n3kl: vserverm xen and vmware are all different concepts |
| 19:07.59 | sepski | n3kl, no vserver is a stronger jail all instances run the same linux kernel you can not run windows or such. |
| 19:09.01 | n3kl | ah |
| 19:09.12 | n3kl | but still a virtulization technology? |
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| 19:09.21 | sepski | n3kl, nice for separating services when they all run on linux. |
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| 19:09.53 | n3kl | sepski: little heavy on the disk space cause you will need a root for each server though, right? |
| 19:09.55 | sepski | n3kl, i would say that depends on how wide you strech the "virtualization" term |
| 19:10.00 | sepski | yes |
| 19:10.05 | n3kl | ah |
| 19:10.16 | sepski | n3kl, but that again is the benefit too in some cases :) |
| 19:10.17 | n3kl | I am trying to get vmware to boot my pxe clients for testing right now |
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| 19:10.59 | matabares | hi people |
| 19:11.03 | sepski | n3kl, i got annoyed by vmware so i swapped to virtualbox-ose |
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| 19:11.13 | sepski | n3kl, but i have done that so i know its possible |
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| 19:11.37 | matabares | i need to change my fs from ext3 to reiserfs but i cant reintall my debian box |
| 19:11.41 | Bakkal | sepski: what's better in VBox? |
| 19:11.43 | matabares | its a good idea? |
| 19:11.58 | matabares | that is possible? |
| 19:11.59 | Caemyr | Bakkal: vmware workstation |
| 19:12.01 | n3kl | sepski: virtualbox was harder to get bridged networking for me, so I don't use it for servers |
| 19:12.04 | matabares | ?? |
| 19:12.08 | sepski | Bakkal, it's in debian ! it does not make you run annoying config.pl scripts all the darn time |
| 19:12.18 | n3kl | xen got anoying cause i couldn't run the nvidia driver for x on my xen server |
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| 19:12.38 | sepski | Bakkal, and if you run vmware-server (the gratis version) it's a lot better |
| 19:12.58 | sepski | workstations and esx is not too bad (except for the current kernel support) |
| 19:13.15 | sepski | ohh and the tick vs time sync problem is annoying too. but one can workaround that |
| 19:13.24 | Bakkal | sepski: I am on vmware server, works fine till now, only I can't seem to open the 3306 port of mysql, I tried a couple of iptables commands... any help? |
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| 19:13.36 | n3kl | what archs are available with debootstrap? |
| 19:13.40 | BlueG | why doesn't the netinst CD have a Gnome vs KDE option? What is the easiest way to get a KDE installation? |
| 19:13.53 | Bakkal | is this enough `iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT |
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| 19:13.58 | sepski | Bakkal, i dont use iptables. i just dont run services on ports i dont want open |
| 19:14.21 | n3kl | Bakkal: paste your iptables -L |
| 19:14.26 | sepski | BlueG, just install without anything and install xserver-org-core kde kdm afterwards |
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| 19:14.41 | n3kl | Bakkal: sepski has a good point |
| 19:14.44 | matabares | im litening oppinions? |
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| 19:15.11 | sepski | Bakkal, are you sure it's not just that you failed to read the README file where it say that mysql dont listen on the network as default for security reasons and you have to enable it ? |
| 19:15.13 | n3kl | matabares: why do you need to change the fs? |
| 19:15.22 | Bakkal | well I just need to open the port for use with my physical maechine, the mysql is sitting on a vm debian |
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| 19:15.45 | Bakkal | sepski: I don't know abou that |
| 19:15.52 | sepski | matabares, you have to backup and reinstall . and i would never swap to reiserfs ever again. |
| 19:16.04 | matabares | n3kl: because its a requierement from a client? |
| 19:16.05 | sepski | Bakkal, you must know if you enabeled network or not ? |
| 19:16.28 | sepski | matabares, just make darn sure you have better then average backups of that filessystem |
| 19:16.40 | Bakkal | sepski: how to enable then :) |
| 19:17.12 | sepski | Bakkal, i dont remember you can read the debian readmefile in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server just as well as i can |
| 19:17.12 | n3kl | matabares: I think there is some root_pivot thing, but I have never used it. |
| 19:17.17 | sepski | something in my.conf |
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| 19:17.38 | Bakkal | pehaps /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 19:17.53 | matabares | ok people i will make a backup a reinstall.. |
| 19:17.55 | sepski | matabares, and you are allowed to advice your client not to do stupid things. |
| 19:17.58 | Fredurst | hi, I got this error "undefined reference to `__stderrp'"... what i am missing? this package compiled without errors on other freebsd machine |
| 19:18.01 | matabares | i wont like that but.... |
| 19:18.30 | matabares | tanks n3kl and sepski |
| 19:19.02 | sepski | matabares, besides you can tune ext3 to have similar performance (and similar weaknesses to powerfail and other) as reiserfs, but without the bad degradation over time |
| 19:19.28 | Bakkal | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 19:19.28 | Bakkal | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 19:19.28 | Bakkal | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
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| 19:19.55 | sepski | matabares, i would atlest get a reason for why he imagines he wants reiserfs so you atlest know what delerious fantasies you expect to solve |
| 19:19.58 | BlueG | is there a reason for not offering a KDE option by default, or is it something that might actually be done in the future? |
| 19:20.10 | matabares | sepski, ok |
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| 19:20.13 | matabares | tks a lot |
| 19:20.19 | sepski | BlueG, there are kde cd's you can dl. |
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| 19:20.51 | sepski | BlueG, but why bother when you can just aptitude install kde afterwards .... |
| 19:20.53 | fde_ | BlueG: What do you mean? There is a KDE option... hit F1 or whatever during install and look through the options on the installer... |
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| 19:22.47 | fde_ | BlueG: Most people uncheck everything in tasksel and install what they actually want in the Debian world... |
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| 19:25.32 | fde_ | 3 messages in a row? I'm in #debian right? |
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| 19:26.55 | TinoW | hm. wenn exim4-base contains /etc/init.d/exim4 but installing it keeps the init file missing, what could be wrong? |
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| 19:28.16 | TinoW | hey fde ;) |
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| 19:28.40 | fde | TinoW: hey! |
| 19:29.51 | fde | TinoW: If you've previously removed the config file, dpkg won't put it back... it's a feature, although annoying given a small percentage of use cases... like yours |
| 19:30.31 | fde | TinoW: aptitude show ucf |
| 19:30.38 | TinoW | fde: well it started with an upgrade which then did not replace the file and run into errors subsequently |
| 19:30.59 | mooperd | Hi, Someone has asked me to design a way of controlling access to services depending on their indevidual permissions. Users would have to be logged in locally to allow internet and/or samba access similar to a public access wireless point |
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| 19:31.15 | mooperd | basically a controlled firewall I think? |
| 19:31.17 | Seb | so ssh-vulnkeys produces false-positives too ? |
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| 19:31.30 | TinoW | fde: now how can I get a fresh copy of the file from package? |
| 19:31.31 | fde | TinoW: Actually I think ucf is separate from this case. |
| 19:32.01 | themill | TinoW: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:32.22 | kevind23 | I'm having a problem with my 'Home' key: it doesn't work. Furthermore, the sleep button my keyboard that has in the past been configured to lock the screen now crashes my computer |
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| 19:33.41 | BlueG | well, when I ran the netinst cd, the option was for a desktop install, which by default is gnome. I realize its not too hard to install KDE, but if I suggested someone with no experience try Debian w/ KDE, what would be the simplest way? I didn't see a KDE netinst CD (I don't see why that would need a second disk anyway), should I suggest not using the netinst? Or should I give special instructions on how to install KDE instead of Gnome? |
| 19:34.30 | fasta | BlueG: apt-get install kde and you get kde, AFAIK. |
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| 19:34.38 | benjamindees | !install kde |
| 19:34.38 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 19:34.45 | TinoW | clever: Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 19:34.49 | fde | BlueG: I already told you, there is a kde install option. |
| 19:34.56 | dimedo | hi, if you would build a web interface for doing root tasks on a debian machine, how would you enable the web application do specific tasks without running as root? i'm looking for a most secure concept |
| 19:35.06 | kevind23 | BlueG: If you look in the help section there is a very easy way to choose KDE :) |
| 19:35.20 | Knorrie | 'lo, my `X keeps crashing'... http://syrinx.knorrie.org/~knorrie/X/ I do not see a really obvious error in the log... |
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| 19:35.26 | fasta | dimedo: I would use monads. |
| 19:35.27 | themill | TinoW: check the bts, that's a well know bug |
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| 19:35.38 | TinoW | themill: the bts? |
| 19:35.44 | themill | !tell TinoW about bts |
| 19:35.48 | fde | BlueG: From the link you were just provided: install tasks="kde-desktop, standard" ... but note that'll install 'kde' metapackage, which is VERY bloated, and likely not what anyone actually wants. |
| 19:36.24 | themill | !bloatsmite fde |
| 19:36.24 | dpkg | removes fde from the channel as they are obviously superfluous and no-one would even use them. (Just remember that one person's bloat is another person's useful feature.) |
| 19:36.27 | dimedo | fasta: this is a language, what specific advantage gives this to me in my case? |
| 19:36.40 | kevind23 | doesn't install[gui] desktop=kde work? |
| 19:36.53 | themill | fde: I have the kde metapackage installed and I use a good portion of it. |
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| 19:36.57 | fasta | dimedo: you can give static guarantees that nobody will run root commands that you don't want them to run. |
| 19:37.00 | azeth | hello |
| 19:37.11 | azeth | how can i migrate from lenny to sid |
| 19:37.15 | azeth | ? |
| 19:37.27 | sepski | azeth, you start by readinf the sid faq |
| 19:37.28 | fde | themill: I love KDE, I'm using it right now... but the 'kde' metapackage gives things like noatun... a bunch of stuff that seriously NO ONE would want. |
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| 19:37.38 | themill | azeth: if you have to ask then you probably shouldn't do it. |
| 19:37.51 | kevind23 | azeth: sid is simply a collection of packages; if you want to use them rather than testing then modify your apt preferences to use the unstable repos ;) |
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| 19:38.09 | azeth | are there surity updates fro sid? |
| 19:38.13 | themill | fde: it also means that you automatically get new things as they are added to kde... |
| 19:38.16 | azeth | sth like sid/uodates |
| 19:38.18 | dimedo | fasta: is there a good resource on how to do such things? is there a way to whitelist special commands? |
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| 19:38.31 | themill | azeth: no. And from your questions you definitely should *not* use sid. |
| 19:38.31 | azeth | *sid/updates |
| 19:38.48 | azeth | themill: ok |
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| 19:39.02 | kevind23 | There isn't any real reason to use sid if you aren't a developer, just stick with lenny |
| 19:39.09 | themill | azeth: is there something in particular that you're wanting? |
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| 19:39.30 | azeth | themill: experimetal kdm from kde4 |
| 19:39.33 | fde | themill: I install 'kdebase' which will do the same thing, while allowing me to install packages of my own choosing to populate my desktop. |
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| 19:39.54 | sshock | Is roaring penguin pppoe the best one to use, or should I stick with the default pppoe? |
| 19:39.54 | kevind23 | azeth: sudo aptitude -t experimental install kdm (assuming you have the experimental repo in your sources.list) |
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| 19:40.03 | fde | themill: It also allows for a MUCH lighter desktop :D |
| 19:40.33 | n3kl | sepski: where do I edit the initrd config? |
| 19:40.37 | fde | kevind23: Sid gets packages at least 2 weeks before lenny... |
| 19:40.40 | rocketmagnet | hi, i have some troubles to compile something that needs ffmpeg, i have the ffmpeg packages installed, but i still get undefined referece errors |
| 19:40.49 | azeth | kevind23: thank you ;) |
| 19:40.57 | fde | kevind23: So for instance, the OpenSSL fix will not hurry into lenny.... |
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| 19:41.03 | sepski | n3kl, what init ram/rd tool do you use ? |
| 19:41.11 | kevind23 | fde: that's because sid is unstable ;) also, they're talking about a beginner who won't know what KDE programs they want anyway |
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| 19:41.41 | fde | kevind23: A beginner should get familiar with the system via Ubuntu I think. |
| 19:41.47 | kevind23 | fde: touche |
| 19:41.57 | n3kl | sepski: I don't |
| 19:41.59 | themill | fde: it's already in lenny |
| 19:42.00 | kevind23 | but what if you don't like ubuntu? |
| 19:42.00 | sepski | n3kl, i use initramfs-tools and the configfile is /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf there is comments what to write to get netboot |
| 19:42.54 | n3kl | sepski: ah, I see now. Thats the one that is a dep of an kernel image |
| 19:43.12 | fde | kevind23: I don't... but I recommend it to friends and family if they wish to try Linux... |
| 19:43.15 | sepski | n3kl, the kernels need 1 of the initram tools there are too many :) |
| 19:43.42 | Neit | I have an etch machine that I just did a dist-upgrade on but have not rebooted yet and ssh-keygen keeps making compromised keys so the ssh server won't restart...any ideas what I should do now? |
| 19:43.57 | kevind23 | fde: I don't like it either, though I reccomend Linux Mint. It's based on Ubuntu though it's more bloated and has pretty much everything they ask for |
| 19:44.13 | fde | kevind23: A new user shouldn't have to learn about drivers and codecs to get used to a functional Linux imo... it's a bad entry point... from there, if they show interest, I'll introduce Debian |
| 19:44.34 | kevind23 | Mm |
| 19:44.49 | fde | kevind23: I dislike Linux Mint, it is probably the most buggy distro I have ever used. |
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| 19:45.30 | sepski | fde, atlest he does not have to google for his drivers, find some exe files on some vendors homepage. download that , install it, and reboot :) |
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| 19:46.32 | kdubois | sepski: haha, those were the days... not really though. that was horrible :-D |
| 19:46.38 | fde | sepski: True, but most users don't have to do that either, as they just use what was installed on their system when they brought it... that is the experience you are competing with when you introduce Linux, not the default XP/Vista install from a box set... |
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| 19:47.21 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:47.41 | sepski | kdubois, what do you mean ? that's daily life when you run windows we do it every darn time we have to resintall some windows machine :P |
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| 19:48.30 | kdubois | sepski: i'm saying that i dont bother with windows anymore at all :-D |
| 19:48.39 | sepski | fde, true. but then they could just buy a linux preinstalled machine :) |
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| 19:48.56 | fde | sepski: If XP/Vista was required to be installed by the user, and they didn't get any OEM addons at all... I think Linux would dominate the desktop market, but Microsoft have too many deals in place to ensure the experience is as pleasant as possible, and the user doesn't even realize they have choice half the time. |
| 19:49.05 | sepski | kdubois, or if we do it the other way you have to uninstall 10 crap apps that some laptop vendor installed... |
| 19:49.09 | dutchfish | mumbles waste the window-guy keep but keep the pinguin |
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| 19:49.14 | sepski | i am seriously not sure what is the worst |
| 19:49.15 | fasta | dimedo: if you just want to white-list some stuff, then you don't need advanced techniques. |
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| 19:49.43 | sepski | fde, plesant as possible ? are you not around windows users much ? |
| 19:49.46 | fde | sepski: I don't know about there, but here, Linux isn't installed on decent boxes in the stores... at Fry's for instance, they sell Linspire on a 1.3 ghz Geode with 128mb RAM... |
| 19:50.04 | fasta | dimedo: just parse whatever you get, then execute when the parsing succeeded. |
| 19:50.12 | V4Nelle | guys etch has any bug with lm-sensors......after sensors-detect i load all modules and "sensors" don't show anything |
| 19:50.14 | fde | sepski: I said "as pleasant as possible" :P |
| 19:50.16 | V4Nelle | ? |
| 19:50.26 | fasta | dimedo: on a production system you might want to check input sizes, etc. |
| 19:50.32 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: not all sensors have supported modules, and not all motherboards have sensors. |
| 19:50.52 | fde | sepski: They seem to go out of their way to make Linux look bad... and Linspire is fine with that provided it sells :S |
| 19:51.03 | V4Nelle | in the same laptop,slackware sensors works perfectly... |
| 19:51.03 | streuner | !info mbmon |
| 19:51.13 | zinx | dondelelcaro: and not all supported sensors have the right multipliers for the motherboards :P |
| 19:51.16 | sepski | fde, i guess just another way to push down the price. |
| 19:51.30 | dpkg | mbmon: (Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.05-6 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 19:51.39 | sepski | on such a machine windows would be almost half the total cost :) |
| 19:51.40 | fde | sepski: imo they've done a TON of bad for Linux being that for a lot of users, that's their first and only experience with Linux... it's a shame... doesn't help that they use a monitor from the 80's either. |
| 19:51.45 | dimedo | fasta: thanks so far |
| 19:52.10 | streuner | V4Nelle: upgrade kernel or/and package then |
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| 19:52.51 | kombucha | is security.debian.org hosted on some guy's cable modem |
| 19:53.02 | kdubois | just speaking of kernels, why does the default etch kernel not work with gdb? its honestly the worst thing ever |
| 19:53.19 | exobyte | is there a way to see if a mac address is alive? I don't mean an IP ping; say IP/ICMP are down |
| 19:53.27 | sepski | kombucha, hehe not exactly |
| 19:53.35 | streuner | PING security.debian.org (130.89.175.54) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 19:53.35 | streuner | 64 bytes from kassia.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.175.54) |
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| 19:53.45 | fde | Anyone able to inform me as to why the most current kernel in Sid atm is 2.6.22? Seems linux-image-2.6-686 depends a package that doesn't exist... |
| 19:53.46 | sepski | exobyte, arping ? |
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| 19:53.52 | streuner | uni twente doesn't sound like cable modem ;-) |
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| 19:54.00 | n3kl | sepski: in my default tftp, I have the kernel line pointing to the kernel, but when I boot the client, it sayt the kernel cannot be found. Do you know where its looking for the kernel? Is it in the root of the nfs / or in the tftp root or where? |
| 19:54.00 | mafia | yes |
| 19:54.17 | mafia | try again |
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| 19:54.27 | sepski | tftp |
| 19:54.38 | mafia | pls who is rats |
| 19:54.40 | craigevil | fed: linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 19:54.45 | sepski | n3kl, the kernel linemust be relative to tftp root |
| 19:54.48 | fde | kombucha: Remember, security.debian.org is hosted by Debian alone - for security reasons... so every Debian user with that repo enabled uses it. |
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| 19:55.02 | fde | craigevil: I don't see it here... maybe I need to change mirror :/ |
| 19:55.10 | rats_ | hi just passing by |
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| 19:55.15 | streuner | kombucha: security.debian.org is round-robin |
| 19:55.16 | n3kl | sepski: hmmm, thanks |
| 19:55.24 | dutchfish | debian.security.org is round robin of 4 ip's |
| 19:55.37 | craigevil | fde: i use us and sometimes when its slow as a snail nl |
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| 19:56.52 | pinto3 | anybody know what i could use to see the size of the text section from an executable? |
| 19:57.16 | Shadow_mil | pinto3, try strings |
| 19:57.22 | pinto3 | or starting / ending address |
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| 19:57.24 | pinto3 | ok |
| 19:57.39 | dutchfish | !biew |
| 19:57.53 | stew | i forgot everything i learned about exploring elf binaries right after i learned it in order to pass T&S |
| 19:58.05 | exobyte | sepski: hmm... maybe |
| 19:58.26 | dutchfish | BIEW (Binary vIEW) is a free, portable, advanced file viewer with built-in editor for binary, hexadecimal and disassembler modes. |
| 19:58.43 | ricosecada | I have set up apache 2 with virtual hosts and I want to use webalizer for the statistics. I have set up Vlogger to split up the logs of each domain, but how do I get webalizer to work with the log files? Vlogger splits up the files on a daily basis. Any suggestions? |
| 19:59.15 | pinto3 | hmm, biew might work |
| 19:59.26 | pinto3 | i thought there'd be some option to one of the objdump like commands to dump it out |
| 20:00.12 | dutchfish | dissy and crash are some others that might be helpfull as well |
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| 20:00.57 | stew | pinto3: objdump -h ? |
| 20:01.40 | sepski | omg ! php-syslog-ng is plain sexy. why didnt i do this years ago ! </girly enthusiasm> |
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| 20:03.05 | robboplus | does anyone have a running phenom based system? |
| 20:03.25 | Neit | ok, I've rebooted like 4 times now and I still have this etch machine where ssh-vulnkey says the ssh server's host keys are fine but when I /etc/init.d/ssh start it complains that they are blacklisted :/ |
| 20:03.36 | dutchfish | robboplus, winks |
| 20:03.45 | robboplus | i'm about to build a 32GB server and i need to decide on amd or intel yet today... same mobo price and same mem price, i just can't decide if i should choose intel xeon or amd phenom.. any ideas? |
| 20:03.52 | robboplus | oh hi dutchfish :) |
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| 20:04.08 | sepski | Neit, recreate them ? |
| 20:04.15 | alturiak | Neit: rebooting won't regenerate your host-key |
| 20:04.33 | stew | Neit: you need to upgrade openssl and libssl0.9.8 and regenerate your keys |
| 20:04.34 | Neit | I did, many times, manually and by deleting them and doing dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 20:04.42 | Neit | the fingerprints are chaning when I do that |
| 20:04.43 | xingu | robboplus: I run a few 32GB+ servers in my day job but they're all sparc :) |
| 20:04.53 | robboplus | xingu he he |
| 20:04.56 | sepski | Neit, are you sure that it's those keys it's complaing about then ? |
| 20:04.59 | robboplus | xingu wish i could do that :) |
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| 20:05.18 | robboplus | xingu i'm just a beggar knocking on server doors :) |
| 20:05.27 | xingu | robboplus: what I will tell you for free is that at that memory density, what matters is your memory _bus_ if you really geniunely have those kinds of datasets |
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| 20:05.42 | robboplus | xingu i like your sense of humor, cool as usual :) |
| 20:05.43 | n3kl | sepski: thanks for the help. it boots |
| 20:05.53 | sepski | n3kl, :) |
| 20:05.56 | xingu | robboplus: ie, architecture matters not a jot in the face of how quickly you can trundle through data |
| 20:06.12 | stew | Neit: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssl libssl0.9.8" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:06.22 | robboplus | xingu ok... memory bus... and yes... i care mostly about mem... so the natural question would be how do i check which system has better mem bw? |
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| 20:06.35 | xingu | robboplus: my best suggestion for you is to get the hw on spec - ie, benchmark the crap out of it |
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| 20:06.54 | robboplus | xingu no other way? chipset based estimations or such |
| 20:07.12 | robboplus | or perhaps in general e.g. intel has much better bw than amd or vice versa? |
| 20:07.48 | xingu | nope |
| 20:07.57 | xingu | bench it before buy it |
| 20:07.58 | Neit | http://pastebin.ca/1019378 |
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| 20:08.51 | Neit | I think I see the problem now, looks like libssl is out of lenny :/ |
| 20:08.56 | ricosecada | How can I get vlogger to stop splitting the log into days? And just split into a single file for each vhost? |
| 20:08.57 | Neit | and not updating from security |
| 20:09.14 | rocketmagnet | is there a way to find out which package contains a certain file ? |
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| 20:09.29 | valdyn | !tell rocketmagnet -about search |
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| 20:11.41 | themill | Neit: You have an interesting etch/lenny mix there. |
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| 20:12.12 | Neit | yea, I needed like 1 thing out of lenny and I guess I didn't get things working like I thought I did |
| 20:12.54 | Eulex | Neit, umh, don't do that |
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| 20:13.25 | bloodymess | damn ya'll be poppin |
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| 20:13.49 | themill | Neit: You're better off doing a proper backport for such things. Then you don't get burnt like that, /msg dpkg ssb (but you can change lenny for sid in those instructions) |
| 20:15.45 | DexterF | for flash in browsers, what do I need? only flashplugin-nonfree or something else? |
| 20:15.55 | valdyn | DexterF: nothing else |
| 20:16.25 | DexterF | valdyn: any idea why it won't work anymore? I preferenced backports today, did a huge backup, all fine so far but flash doesn't work anymore |
| 20:16.33 | Neit | there wasn't a backport available or I would have...I'll probably just rebuild the machine and install what I needed from a source tarball instead of relying on a package since my mixed distro experiment just failed :) |
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| 20:16.56 | valdyn | DexterF: "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 20:17.50 | DexterF | valdyn: and... what should I look out for there?' |
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| 20:18.04 | valdyn | DexterF: paste the output on a paste site |
| 20:18.25 | CrocoJet | why debian distro do not use last version of gnome ? |
| 20:18.45 | themill | CrocoJet: what version were you looking for? |
| 20:18.49 | valdyn | CrocoJet: because the last debian release is older than the last gnome release |
| 20:18.51 | CrocoJet | 2.22 |
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| 20:18.58 | DexterF | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1019397 <- partly german but youll understand I think |
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| 20:19.23 | abrotman | how do i find the format used to burn a CD? |
| 20:19.40 | valdyn | DexterF: no idea why the backport would break anything, you can try "dpkg-reconfigure flashplug-nonfree" and watch what it does |
| 20:19.43 | themill | abrotman: you're supposed to answer questions here, not ask them |
| 20:19.46 | CrocoJet | acessing www.gnome.org I can see that last version stable of gnome is 2.22 |
| 20:19.46 | Eulex | DexterF, umh, using all packages from backports certainly will break your debian, in some way or another. not saying that it has caused this, though. |
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| 20:19.54 | themill | CrocoJet: /msg dpkg gnome status |
| 20:20.00 | abrotman | themill: FYA |
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| 20:20.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:20.04 | valdyn | Eulex: why would it? |
| 20:20.19 | valdyn | Eulex: or do you just mean that backport has rather bad quality packages? |
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| 20:20.51 | DexterF | Eulex: "certainly"? really? I liek it just how it is now |
| 20:20.52 | abrotman | yay!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:21.19 | havocologe | what would be a good tool for permanent/long time traffic analysis on a server? would like to see what ip:port and maybe what local user causes that traffic. tcpdump is not usable for longtime use because of its gigantic logfiles |
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| 20:21.31 | DexterF | valdyn: only says "Adobe Flash Player installed." twice |
| 20:21.54 | valdyn | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
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| 20:22.27 | themill | valdyn: it's been removed |
| 20:22.35 | valdyn | themill: I see |
| 20:22.46 | DexterF | themill: why? |
| 20:22.49 | themill | !adobe flash |
| 20:22.50 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:23.30 | themill | ^^ see that bug for details. Basically, non-free stuff can't be patched, so users we being forced to do version jumps which is not what debian stable is about. |
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| 20:23.40 | Eulex | valdyn, no, just that I have heard warnings of doing that (but that was a while ago), and that it had packages with conflicting versions etc, but that has perhaps been resolved? |
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| 20:23.56 | DexterF | well, there's no alternative to adobe flash. unfortunately, but that's how it is |
| 20:24.06 | valdyn | Eulex: no idea, i dont use backports |
| 20:24.16 | valdyn | Eulex: err, i mean, i dont use backports.org |
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| 20:24.37 | m4lu5 | SO. Can someone give me a quick heads-up on what I need to do to a Lenny server to "fix" this "bug" in OpenSSL? |
| 20:24.48 | kombucha | so how would a debian stable user use flash ? |
| 20:25.02 | Eulex | use the flash package from backports |
| 20:25.12 | keith4 | Eulex: the warning is still at the top of backports.org |
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| 20:25.16 | klaf | is there a packet for fakeauth_auth squid helper in etch? |
| 20:25.31 | CrocoJet | well checking site "http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html" I can see why others distros like fedora, Ubuntu and othrs are so un-stables. They use beta programs !!! |
| 20:25.32 | themill | !tell m4lu5 about dsa1571 |
| 20:25.36 | valdyn | DexterF: im not into debugging this right now, but for quickly working around this issue you can get the player yourself from adobe and install it at ~/.firefox/plugins or wherever you need it |
| 20:25.42 | Eulex | keith4, yeah, I just found it |
| 20:25.48 | m4lu5 | themill: gratzie |
| 20:26.22 | CrocoJet | I tried to make install of F9 .. went caos !!! Lets go to Debian ! |
| 20:26.23 | jim | kombucha: I use flash all the time; forgot how I installed it tho... the place where I had problems using flash was when I was running amd64 kernels or amd64 userland |
| 20:26.43 | jim | kombucha: so now, I'm using neither |
| 20:26.44 | valdyn | kombucha: anyone can use adobes package or the sid package |
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| 20:27.06 | rocketmagnet | hello, does someone know how to install a packages for a certain python version ? |
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| 20:27.21 | jim | CrocoJet: what's f9? |
| 20:27.27 | jim | oh, fedora? |
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| 20:27.31 | rocketmagnet | i would need wxpython for python2.5, but i only get it for 2.4 |
| 20:27.37 | themill | kombucha: or use debian-multimedia.org |
| 20:28.06 | CrocoJet | Fedora version 9 (last one)... terrible you dont have idea |
| 20:28.11 | CrocoJet | shame ! |
| 20:28.18 | rocketmagnet | nobody knows ? |
| 20:28.44 | jim | rocketmagnet: you could try backports.org (how did you install python, btw?) |
| 20:29.26 | CrocoJet | I cant understand .. why they release something so full bugs ? |
| 20:29.26 | CrocoJet | like stable |
| 20:29.43 | anvesh | can anyone help me how to work with apt-cacher |
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| 20:30.20 | bospus3 | how do i check if port 22 is open ? |
| 20:30.21 | white_eagle | digg servers down? |
| 20:30.22 | jim | CrocoJet: I have no idea; I think I once used redhat 2.0 |
| 20:30.40 | bospus3 | 22 is for sharing files ? |
| 20:30.44 | DexterF | where does konqueror store plugins? |
| 20:30.50 | jim | bospus3: I think netstat can do that |
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| 20:30.51 | bospus3 | i wanna move some files from wins to linux |
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| 20:31.04 | bospus3 | netstat says this |
| 20:31.14 | jim | don;'t paste here please |
| 20:31.15 | bospus3 | tcp 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0* listen |
| 20:31.17 | bospus3 | ups |
| 20:31.25 | jim | oh, one line? no problem |
| 20:31.32 | mick_home | bospus3: install winscp on windows |
| 20:31.36 | jim | thanks for cutting |
| 20:31.40 | bospus3 | its installed mick_home |
| 20:31.44 | mick_home | yes, it is listening on 22 (which means ssh is started) |
| 20:31.51 | bospus3 | ive been trying to make it work |
| 20:32.02 | mick_home | you can always just /etc/init.d/ssh status (to see if it is running) |
| 20:32.24 | rocketmagnet | jim: there are python2.5 and python2.4 packages |
| 20:32.28 | jim | he wanted to know first off what port 22 was :) |
| 20:32.33 | bospus3 | what do i put in as host name in winscp ? 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 20:32.34 | mick_home | ok, so put in the ip of the linux box and your usrname/password and you should be fine |
| 20:32.41 | bospus3 | aha k |
| 20:32.48 | jim | rocketmagnet: ahh, ok... but no wxpython for 2.5? |
| 20:32.49 | bospus3 | so internal ip from linux box |
| 20:32.53 | mick_home | correct |
| 20:32.53 | bospus3 | i c kk |
| 20:32.55 | bospus3 | sec |
| 20:33.01 | rocketmagnet | jim: correct, in 2.4 it works |
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| 20:33.14 | mick_home | it will ask "this is the key blah blah blah" - just say yes |
| 20:33.15 | anvesh | can any one help me in working with apt-cacher |
| 20:33.32 | aarkerio | what "G" means in subversion? |
| 20:33.32 | rocketmagnet | and when i look in 2.5 with python interpret like" import os, print os.path" i get no wxpython library path |
| 20:34.00 | linkslice | ok so I don't get how the SSL thing is really that big of a deal, it's not like it's an easy attack vector is it? |
| 20:34.12 | zinx | linkslice: it's an extremely easy attack vector |
| 20:34.17 | jim | rocketmagnet: I wonder if there is a complete set of python-2.5 modules in backports.org |
| 20:34.23 | efaistos_ | someone in sid ? whats the time between [] during the boot ? |
| 20:34.29 | zinx | linkslice: to a variety of services |
| 20:34.35 | DexterF | valdyn: do .so libs need to be executable? |
| 20:34.57 | zinx | DexterF: technically no |
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| 20:35.07 | DexterF | zinx: and practically? |
| 20:35.18 | zinx | DexterF: you should probably make them +x unless you know what you're doing |
| 20:35.19 | linkslice | zinx, how so? I can see if you have preshared keys as root, or how a man-in-themiddle would be possible, but what else? you can't root a system with it can you? |
| 20:35.38 | zinx | linkslice: you can log on as any user with a weak key when key-based authentication is being used |
| 20:35.38 | bospus3 | mick_home |
| 20:35.52 | zinx | linkslice: otherwise you can snoop on any conversation with a weak key |
| 20:36.04 | bospus3 | it found something .. but it says you have no guarantee this computer is the one u think it is |
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| 20:36.32 | bospus3 | its asking me .. continue connceting and host key to cache |
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| 20:36.55 | bospus3 | i click yes ? |
| 20:37.03 | bospus3 | aha lol |
| 20:37.08 | bospus3 | he answered already |
| 20:37.10 | bospus3 | kk |
| 20:37.39 | bospus3 | network error .. software caused connection abort |
| 20:38.35 | bospus3 | aha ok now |
| 20:38.47 | bospus3 | changed sftp to ftp |
| 20:39.00 | mick_home | Select "Connection" in the left-hand treeview, and then change the "Keepalives" radio button to "Executing dummy protocol commands". |
| 20:39.08 | jim | where is the ssh host key located? I want to ls -l it to get its timestamp |
| 20:39.10 | mick_home | ftp? |
| 20:39.16 | bospus3 | im in that norton view now |
| 20:39.22 | kombucha | i sure wish i could add a mirror for security! my package updating grabbing just hangs |
| 20:39.29 | bospus3 | yeah it seems it works |
| 20:39.31 | mick_home | jim: ~/.ssh/ |
| 20:39.39 | zinx | mick_home: that's not the host key |
| 20:39.50 | zinx | jim: /etc/essh |
| 20:39.51 | mick_home | zinx: that is where it is located |
| 20:39.51 | zinx | erh, ssh |
| 20:39.55 | zinx | mick_home: no it isn't |
| 20:40.02 | mick_home | oh oh - nm - you are right |
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| 20:40.08 | mick_home | "host key" |
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| 20:41.53 | aarkerio | need I renew SSH on Etch ? |
| 20:42.06 | fengor | yes |
| 20:42.06 | zinx | yes |
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| 20:43.01 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone help me get Postfix to work? I'm able to send e-mails through TelNet but it dosn't ask me my password (which I want it to). Thunderbird keeps asking for password though, and even though I provide the right password, the mail is not send. |
| 20:43.07 | Jemt | What's could be wrong ? |
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| 20:43.33 | CrocoJet | what is main problem of "backports" ? virus ? |
| 20:43.34 | rocketmagnet | take a look at the smpt protocol |
| 20:43.46 | Jemt | rocketmagnet: ? |
| 20:44.01 | JoshH | telnet and thunderbird from the same ip, and to the same recipient? |
| 20:44.23 | itomato | crocojet - testing |
| 20:44.27 | Jemt | JoshH: No, actually it's to different recipients |
| 20:44.29 | rocketmagnet | telnet is raw input, so you normaly get an error outout when something goes wrong and why |
| 20:44.38 | Jemt | JoshH: I'll test with the same recipient |
| 20:44.39 | DexterF | not even after manually installing. I'm so outta ideas |
| 20:44.47 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 20:44.59 | JoshH | you probably don't need the password to send to an email address that the postfix box handles |
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| 20:45.20 | Demosthenex | only debian test dvd 1 is required for a basic installation correct? |
| 20:45.37 | abrotman | netinst is probably better |
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| 20:45.44 | DexterF | is the free flash thingy somewhat usable? |
| 20:45.50 | Jemt | JoshH: I was prompted for password on my previous server and I'm pretty sure I got all the config-files transfered to the new server |
| 20:45.57 | CrocoJet | I had fedora installed in my computer, if I change to Debian, do I need delete partitions and format again ? (now using ext3) |
| 20:46.21 | Jemt | JoshH: Never the less, Thunderbird fails when I'm turning authentication off |
| 20:46.47 | JoshH | CrocoJet: you don't need to delete the partitions, but you will need to format at least some (like not /home, but /) |
| 20:46.59 | Jemt | JoshH: Wait - my mail just got send o.O |
| 20:47.02 | CrocoJet | Oktane, thanks |
| 20:47.07 | vinc456 | does dpkg have any info on the ssh key issue? i upgraded some packages into my system and i can't ssh home anymore |
| 20:47.19 | Jemt | JoshH: I'll investigate it further. Do you have any suggestions on how to enable authentication again ? |
| 20:47.27 | Jemt | JoshH: I don't want it to become a spam server |
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| 20:47.32 | CrocoJet | thinking that exist different version ext3 |
| 20:47.50 | Jemt | JoshH: All I need is basic authentication (same username and password used for shell access) |
| 20:48.12 | JoshH | authentication is a little more than i tell tell you about here, but as long as it doesn't let you relay except from your own network, you are fine about spam |
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| 20:48.44 | Jemt | JoshH: Okay. Actually it dosn't allow me to send e-mails outside my network |
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| 20:50.39 | jim | mick_home yeah, I'm assuming that key is for the machine |
| 20:51.10 | themill | !tell vinc456 about dsa1756 |
| 20:51.17 | themill | !tell vinc456 about dsa1576 |
| 20:51.21 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 20:51.22 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 20:52.43 | m4lu5 | has(have) the offending idiot(s) behind this SSL flap been identified yet? |
| 20:52.59 | m4lu5 | I've "got something" for them. |
| 20:53.12 | telmich | m4lu5: that's not very constructive |
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| 20:53.24 | vinc456 | themill: thanks |
| 20:53.25 | m4lu5 | ^^^^ it was him! |
| 20:53.29 | Jemt | JoshH: Can you help me get auth to work again = |
| 20:53.30 | m4lu5 | GET IM'! |
| 20:53.32 | Jemt | ? |
| 20:53.36 | telmich | m4lu5: and if you would have been really interested you could find it out in about 5 minutes |
| 20:53.54 | m4lu5 | it was a rhetorical question. relaxxxx. |
| 20:53.57 | JoshH | sorry man, i don't have time for any remotely in depth assistance right now |
| 20:54.15 | JoshH | but there are plenty of good howtos on the net for it |
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| 20:54.34 | m4lu5 | anyway. i must get back to explaining to Management how I might solve this issue so our remote workers openVPN connections don't get mucked up. |
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| 20:55.11 | lombarth | hi |
| 20:55.23 | m4lu5 | the words "abandon Debian ... Microsoft Server" came up in a VERY heated meeting today. {sigh} |
| 20:55.25 | vinc456 | has anybody read The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques by Martin Krafft? |
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| 20:55.45 | lombarth | debian¨ |
| 20:55.54 | abrotman | i bet martin has :) |
| 20:56.15 | lombarth | debian |
| 20:56.35 | abrotman | yes this is #debian |
| 20:56.36 | Jemt | JoshH: Okay, thanks anyways :) |
| 20:56.49 | lombarth | is it debian? nice |
| 20:57.03 | streuner | vinc456: why? |
| 20:57.08 | lombarth | do you like debian? |
| 20:57.19 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 20:57.19 | dpkg | debianlove is, like, the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 20:57.42 | frieder | omfg iam in debian |
| 20:57.50 | lombarth | debian |
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| 20:58.49 | lombarth | poor faw |
| 20:59.21 | vinc456 | streuner: well i'll be taking a class in operating systems next fall, and i'm hoping to strike two birds with one stone, namely learn more about about system administration and operating system concepts |
| 20:59.27 | lombarth | poor vinc456 |
| 20:59.34 | bospus3 | mick_home still here ? |
| 20:59.40 | vinc456 | lombarth: why? |
| 20:59.45 | bospus3 | i managed to create connection |
| 20:59.49 | stew | lombarth: stop. do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:59.56 | lombarth | irish stew |
| 20:59.57 | bospus3 | i see both disks in winscp |
| 21:00.12 | stew | lombarth: if you don't have a debian question, please either keep quiet or move along |
| 21:00.15 | bospus3 | but i get error .. cannot create /var/www/page2/index.htm |
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| 21:00.24 | lombarth | irish stew |
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| 21:01.44 | streuner | vinc456: well, look at the contents of that book, its not bad |
| 21:02.09 | vinc456 | streuner: i was hoping that somebody who had read the book would be able to suggest or recommend the book (or some other resource) I will look at the table of contents and a sample chapter |
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| 21:03.21 | voraistos | Hi i just got myself a new server -and of course it runs debian-. It is equiped with the latest super low quality celeron cpu and i wanted to make some tests on the machine... Do you know any CLI tools that can benchmark the machine? (or just cpu?) |
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| 21:03.53 | jeef | where does the lenny tomcat5.5 package (ideally) store logs? it's failing to start, and i'm not seeing any logs generated in /var/log/tomcat5.5 |
| 21:04.00 | abrotman | !info lmbench etch |
| 21:04.02 | dpkg | lmbench: (Utilities to benchmark UNIX systems), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 3.0-a7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 3516 kB |
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| 21:05.01 | itomato | voraistos: http://lbs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:05.02 | bospus3 | fixed it |
| 21:05.21 | bospus3 | u have to use root and passwd for root in winscp to move files to linux |
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| 21:06.24 | voraistos | thank you itomato |
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| 21:10.01 | ericoo | how to install library ?: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 21:11.35 | kdubois | ericoo: thats a serious library. i'm surprised your computer can still run an irc client if you dont have it |
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| 21:12.19 | streuner | wondering how that box run at all |
| 21:12.34 | streuner | apis:~# dpkg -S /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 21:12.34 | streuner | libc6: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
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| 21:14.59 | streuner | ericoo: did you remove all symlinks in /lib or such? |
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| 21:16.49 | ericoo | hm |
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| 21:16.58 | ericoo | dpkg : /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found |
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| 21:17.10 | ericoo | i did not remove anything |
| 21:17.13 | streuner | ericc: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:17.15 | xuser | what do you guys use for a ftp server in debian? |
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| 21:17.25 | ericoo | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:17.25 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 21:17.26 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 21:18.36 | xuser | streuner: that doesn't answer my question ;) |
| 21:18.58 | streuner | xuser: for me? sure :-) |
| 21:19.06 | ericoo | ftp debian : vsftpd |
| 21:19.12 | streuner | none |
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| 21:19.40 | aixenv | valdyn: 2 new drives, reinstalled etch, updated, installed php apc, and then restored the dbs and websites.. back upand going thanks for the help |
| 21:19.52 | CrocoJet | exist .iso of debian testing or I need get stable and transform to testing ? |
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| 21:20.17 | CrocoJet | testing has many updates ? |
| 21:20.44 | streuner | ericoo: strange, that symlink is also in etch/stable |
| 21:21.03 | streuner | ericoo: just use --reinstall then |
| 21:21.11 | stew | CrocoJet: there exists a beta installer for testing. if you want to help test it, you can get it at http://debian.org/devel/testing ; if you don't want to use a beta installer, install stable and upgrade |
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| 21:21.22 | ericoo | reinstall what ? |
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| 21:21.37 | streuner | ericoo: apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 21:21.44 | debianforlife | how do i create an empty 20GB iso? |
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| 21:22.04 | streuner | man mkisofs |
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| 21:22.11 | CrocoJet | I was making download of "http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/testing/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" |
| 21:22.15 | CrocoJet | is that ? |
| 21:22.25 | CrocoJet | beta ? |
| 21:22.32 | dirkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.32 | debianforlife | i read man mkisofs, confused the hell out of me |
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| 21:23.33 | streuner | CrocoJet: mostly packages out of unstable/sid |
| 21:23.58 | dirkson | No, srsly people: Iptables in installed. There is no /etc/init.d/iptables . What is going on here? |
| 21:24.48 | CrocoJet | ok |
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| 21:24.59 | stew | dirkson: debian hasn't shipped such a script in years. if you want to start iptables, i'd recommend making an idempotent script that sets up the rules the way you want, and call it from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:25.09 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 21:25.22 | streuner | CrocoJet: if you have to ask, just use etch/stable d-i (debian-installer) |
| 21:25.28 | dirkson | stew: I've already got the rules set up how I'd like... I just can't figure out how to make it run, y'know. |
| 21:25.29 | stew | CrocoJet: yes, that is a beta intaller |
| 21:25.39 | dury | I wanto have more resolution in my gnome desktop |
| 21:25.48 | stew | dirkson: run it from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 21:25.50 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 21:26.01 | jeef | dirkson: set up iptables how you want it, iptables-save the results to some location, and iptables-restore them with 'pre-up' in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:26.06 | dury | actually 1024 X 768 |
| 21:26.11 | meeero | i'd like to run a script as another user which is supposed to return a value, so what's the best way to do that? su, sudo, ..? |
| 21:26.35 | dirkson | stew: jeef: I dislike this method. However, IANADebianDev, so whine, whine, cry cry. |
| 21:26.48 | stew | dirkson: why don't you like this method? |
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| 21:27.11 | dury | can't go more.... maybe I haven't got the right driver for this laptop |
| 21:27.24 | fde | meeero: su user -c 'whatever' |
| 21:27.35 | dirkson | stew: Everyone knows how to use /etc/init.d/script . It's a standard. Starting services with a network script is not standard. |
| 21:27.38 | dury | it's nvidia |
| 21:27.39 | jeef | also, does lenny's tomcat5.5 have logging enabled by default, in any sort? |
| 21:27.46 | meeero | ah, i forgot about the quotes .. thank you :> |
| 21:27.52 | fde | meeero: Unless you want that users env for that command... in which case su - user -c 'whatever' |
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| 21:28.44 | jeef | dirkson: so you could use the skeleton init script and make it run iptables-restore, probably, so long as it's executed at the right time |
| 21:29.04 | jeef | just seems like more of a hassle than pre-up |
| 21:29.06 | dirkson | jeef: Both more work that I particularly wanted to do. |
| 21:29.10 | dury | how do I know the right driver for my graphic card |
| 21:29.21 | stew | dirkson: what do they do that you don't want to do? |
| 21:29.37 | fde | dury: lspci | grep -i video return anything? |
| 21:30.07 | dury | fde: hang on suddenly |
| 21:30.28 | streuner | dury: lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 21:30.45 | dury | as root? |
| 21:30.58 | meeero | hm, but how do i use that when i want to pass it as argument to another program? e.g. ./program -e su user -c 'command' ...does not work here, since "program" takes "su user -c" as argument |
| 21:31.05 | dirkson | stew: Generally speaking, I try to rely as much as possible on scripts that other people have written, and the community has debugged and tested. The less I write, the less work I have to do to make sure it doesn't error all over the place. Thus, devving my own script for /etc/init.d/ seems undesirable. |
| 21:31.07 | streuner | dury: it wouldn't hurt :-) |
| 21:31.07 | fde | streuner: also that... some like nvidia don't include 'vga' though... probably graphics |
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| 21:31.10 | fde | dury: no |
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| 21:32.46 | meeero | any ideas? i really need that as an argument, not as standalone :/ |
| 21:33.18 | dury | nekane@228:~$ lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 21:33.19 | dury | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 21:33.21 | dury | nekane@228:~$ |
| 21:33.55 | fde | meeero: you can do something like 'echo "foo" | sudo user tee -a somefile' as example... |
| 21:34.05 | fde | meeero: I don't think there is a su equivalent to that. |
| 21:34.21 | blizzow | I made some changes to my postfix main.cf (added smtpd_milters = inet:localhost:2002) and restarted postfix. When I telnet localhost 2002, any input immediately causes "connect closed by foreign host". I can't even see the port as being open from another server. I don't have any firewalls/iptables running. Any reason I can't connect to port 2002? |
| 21:34.22 | meeero | hm... damn :/ anyway, thanks |
| 21:34.36 | dury | streuner: is it right to paste it here? |
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| 21:34.50 | streuner | sure |
| 21:34.57 | fde | dury: It's only one line, so that's fine... |
| 21:35.39 | dury | streuner, fde: you know my graphic card |
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| 21:35.55 | ericoo | Error: Flash Media Server needs the NSPR library installed |
| 21:36.00 | ericoo | help |
| 21:36.03 | dirkson | *curses various debian devs for making him have to muck around with network ifup scripts* |
| 21:36.18 | fde | !tell dury about nvidia |
| 21:36.47 | dury | streuner, fde: is there a better driver |
| 21:37.01 | fde | dury: See what dpkg just pm'd you please. |
| 21:37.11 | streuner | dury: my crystal-thingie is in low state |
| 21:37.49 | streuner | dury: just paste the stuff what "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say |
| 21:38.11 | dury | ok |
| 21:38.17 | dirkson | Ok, can someone point me to the REAL way to start iptables on debian? Hahaha, that was a good joke guys, make my own startup script. |
| 21:38.21 | fde | dury: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv <-- make sure that returns something first though... else it might be using vesa, which is horrible. |
| 21:39.00 | dury | nekane@228:~$ lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 21:39.02 | dury | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 21:39.45 | fde | dury: Yeah, I saw that... Bullet Proof X apparently doesn't even use Driver anymore though >:| |
| 21:39.58 | dury | nekane@228:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv |
| 21:39.59 | dury | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.12 | fde | dury: Ok... then see what dpkg said in PM |
| 21:40.14 | {Chris} | Hi, I want to know how to setup multiple hostname for multiple iface/ip |
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| 21:41.20 | dirkson | *More cursing of the $$%$ed up DebianDevs.* Initscripts are nice. People LIKE them. |
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| 21:42.09 | fde | dirkson: That would be why most distro's are moving to things like upstart I guess... moving away for initscripts. |
| 21:42.15 | fde | from* |
| 21:42.35 | dirkson | There aren't even any recent tutorials. Most of the howtos google serves up to me say, "Just start the initscript, and you're done". Why the hell would you remove a PERFECTLY GOOD INITSCRIPT and replace it with, wait for it... nothing?! |
| 21:43.08 | fde | dirkson: You can customize to your hearts content... but all people really need is single, multi restart and shutdown... |
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| 21:43.53 | ericoo | help / Error: Flash Media Server needs the NSPR library installed |
| 21:44.12 | dury | so many thing what dpkg says fde...would you please assist me to install better driver |
| 21:44.26 | fde | !nvidia |
| 21:44.26 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 21:44.40 | fde | dury: dpkg messaged that to you... click the link |
| 21:44.47 | ericoo | i do have /usr/lib/libnspr4.so |
| 21:45.21 | dury | I would really appreciate it |
| 21:46.24 | dury | nite |
| 21:46.35 | dury | getting late over here |
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| 21:48.25 | dirkson | And, seriously, any sort of Howto on setting up a "modern" debian iptables initscript would be appreciated. All the init scripts I'm seeing in if-up.d/ are waaay more complicated that what I would put to boot iptables. I want to know what I'm doing wrong. |
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| 21:49.08 | grendal_prime | is there anyway to kill off kdm (short of uninstalling it)? |
| 21:49.35 | markybob | grendal_prime, update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
| 21:49.38 | grendal_prime | i need to install an nvidia packaged and it keeps complaining that there is an X session running |
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| 21:49.56 | grendal_prime | markybob: and how do i reenable it after that? |
| 21:49.57 | themill | grendal_prime: invoke-rc.d kdm stop |
| 21:50.04 | markybob | grendal_prime, update-rc.d defaults kdm |
| 21:50.28 | karsten | Any applications which print photos with exif data by default? Or selected exif data? |
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| 21:50.43 | markybob | grendal_prime, if i understand you correctly, anyway :) those commands will keep kdm from starting on boot and then re-enable the on boot load |
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| 21:53.09 | docmax | hello |
| 21:53.32 | docmax | i have a question: is there a graphical daemon manager for linux? |
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| 21:53.48 | docmax | like "services" under windows (manual, auto, deactivated) |
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| 21:54.10 | pwnedulongtime | anyone know how I get the current screen resolution and store it as a variable in a bash script? |
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| 21:54.23 | meff | xrandr pwnedulongtime |
| 21:54.41 | bitweiler | hey, how do I get the X headers for etch |
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| 21:54.43 | pwnedulongtime | xrandr -q returns all modes |
| 21:54.54 | pwnedulongtime | with an asteriks beside the current mode |
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| 21:55.18 | bospus | how i shutdown debian ? |
| 21:55.19 | docmax | bitweiler, compile with make install_headers |
| 21:55.27 | Tramp | dirkson: I think there is no initscript, because iptables is considered a utility, not a service. Most people probably want to install some higher level firewall abstraction on top of iptables, which then is expected to provice proper initialization |
| 21:55.37 | orveldv | dirkson: don't be masochistic. Use a frontend. |
| 21:55.39 | bospus | like its in wins .. i mean complete shutdown |
| 21:55.52 | dirkson | How is this masochistic? Iptables is easy to configure.... |
| 21:56.01 | docmax | is there a graphical tool like "services" under windows (manual, auto, deactivated) for linux daemons? |
| 21:56.02 | markybob | docmax, there's one part of the gnome-system-tools package |
| 21:56.09 | markybob | docmax, /usr/bin/services-admin |
| 21:56.17 | bitweiler | docmax: compile what? |
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| 21:56.19 | docmax | aaaahhhhhh markybob |
| 21:56.23 | docmax | thanks |
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| 21:56.55 | valdyn | pwnedulongtime: VAR=$(xrandr | grep "*" | awk '{ print $1 }') |
| 21:57.04 | Lagbolt | bospus, use the shutdown command :) |
| 21:57.09 | docmax | markybob: ok i know that thing |
| 21:57.21 | bospus | i did |
| 21:57.24 | docmax | but on boot there are a lot of other services which startup |
| 21:57.30 | bospus | but i need correct settings |
| 21:57.36 | bospus | i use shutdown now .. |
| 21:57.46 | markybob | bospus, shutdown -h now |
| 21:57.47 | bospus | it aint exacly working |
| 21:57.47 | Lagbolt | bospus, shutdown -h now |
| 21:57.50 | bospus | k |
| 21:57.57 | bitweiler | docmax: what am I suppose to be compiling to get X headers |
| 21:58.01 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.12 | Lagbolt | bospus, man shutdown |
| 21:58.16 | docmax | and -h is help |
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| 21:58.33 | bitweiler | is there no apt-get something to get the X headers |
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| 21:58.55 | docmax | again: is there a tool to configure daemon startup? |
| 21:59.11 | docmax | i dont want to use that complicated update-rc.d thing |
| 21:59.11 | markybob | bitweiler, libx11-dev xserver-org-dev |
| 21:59.13 | Lagbolt | docmax, yeah i forget what it is called, you want to pick services? |
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| 21:59.46 | Lagbolt | docmax, you use gnome? i believe it is installed by default there |
| 21:59.48 | markybob | bitweiler, xserver-xorg-dev, i meant |
| 21:59.54 | docmax | lagbolt. yeah select/deselect daemons on startup |
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| 21:59.59 | docmax | yes gnome |
| 22:00.01 | ricosecada | I think I perhaps has messed up my apache2.conf file a bit. Where do I specify where apache2 writes is access.log file? |
| 22:00.16 | docmax | but services-admin is not the one i mean |
| 22:00.34 | Lagbolt | docmax, what is the one you mean? gui? |
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| 22:00.55 | docmax | yes a gui where i can turn on/off daemons |
| 22:00.59 | markybob | ricosecada, you probably want #apache |
| 22:01.07 | Lagbolt | that is what i am talken about, let me find it |
| 22:01.19 | bitweiler | markybob: thanks but I don't think I'll need xserver-xorg-dev thou |
| 22:01.25 | docmax | normaly one uses update-rc.d (dont know exactly how its called) |
| 22:01.35 | ricosecada | markybob, debian has changed apache2 quite a bit, but maybe you are right |
| 22:01.58 | Lagbolt | docmax, what is wrong with services-admin? it is a gui |
| 22:02.10 | Lagbolt | what are you looking for that it does not du |
| 22:02.12 | Lagbolt | do |
| 22:02.14 | docmax | also another question: i compiled 2.6.25 and run it on debian. are there disadvantages when not running original debian kernel? |
| 22:02.30 | valdyn | docmax: no |
| 22:02.40 | docmax | Lagbolt: not all daemons are listet |
| 22:02.42 | Lagbolt | docmax, check these? http://theos.in/desktop-linux/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ |
| 22:02.42 | valdyn | docmax: except that your kernel has had less review than a debian kernel |
| 22:02.44 | docmax | listed |
| 22:03.10 | docmax | valdyn: what do you mean less review? |
| 22:03.18 | grendal_prime | can someone help me compile the nvidia drivers for my laptop? |
| 22:03.34 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, sure, what are you running? |
| 22:03.37 | Lagbolt | etch? |
| 22:03.43 | grendal_prime | lenny |
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| 22:03.47 | docmax | cause with the new 2.6.25 standby works better than original debian lenny |
| 22:03.57 | bitweiler | is that all one needs |
| 22:04.02 | valdyn | docmax: 2.6.25 is pretty new and untested |
| 22:04.08 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, lenny doesnt have nvidia :( you can pull it in from sid like i do |
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| 22:04.25 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 22:04.25 | valdyn | docmax: if it works for you, your luck. |
| 22:04.37 | grendal_prime | etch does? |
| 22:04.45 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, i added unstable source and set apt to use lenny by default so it only pulls in unstable if you tell it. |
| 22:04.51 | nollan | i have a problem setting up a 'tap' interface.. can someone direct me to some good page? i have loaded tun module |
| 22:05.13 | valdyn | docmax: and if it does not, dont ask debian for support |
| 22:05.13 | orveldv | bitweiler: why, you compile something? |
| 22:05.13 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, dunno, i dont use etch :) |
| 22:05.14 | docmax | ok rcconf is my tool i searched |
| 22:05.19 | docmax | why dont u tell me? |
| 22:05.21 | grendal_prime | ok but ill set up a repo fo unstable...its sid right? |
| 22:05.38 | jim | docmax: there are not technical disadvantages... but it's harder to help with kernel builds that are not well known... you'd want to have your kernel config, the version, what patches have been applied (there will be some with debian kernel sources) and perhaps logs that are pertinent to whatever you're asking about |
| 22:05.49 | Lagbolt | sid / unstable how ever you want to put it in |
| 22:05.51 | grendal_prime | by the way im looking at the perpriatary driver right now..it has an istallable with it |
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| 22:06.12 | grendal_prime | from the nvidia website |
| 22:06.26 | CrocoJet | I made download of "debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" but no kernel for boot |
| 22:06.32 | grendal_prime | this is a laptop del precision m4300 |
| 22:06.40 | docmax | jim, thanks, i understand now |
| 22:06.49 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, i like to install nvidia the debian way |
| 22:06.54 | docmax | so better go back to original kernel.. (2.6.24) |
| 22:06.58 | grendal_prime | ok thats fine with me |
| 22:06.59 | CrocoJet | the "debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso" came with kernel for boot ? |
| 22:07.17 | valdyn | nollan: you need tunctl, which is in the uml-utilities package |
| 22:07.29 | nyk2005 | Is it difficult to migrate from psql 7.4 to 8.1? I would like better to go directly to 8.2, but I don't have it in aptitude. Is there something wrong with my repos? |
| 22:07.41 | valdyn | nollan: and a software that is tapped, whatever you want to use that tun with |
| 22:07.49 | valdyn | nollan: qemu? |
| 22:08.07 | valdyn | nollan: or kvm or uml |
| 22:08.11 | jim | docmax: you don't have to do that... as long as you have some info about what your kernel is, there are ways to help, it just won't be quite so fast and easy |
| 22:08.32 | nollan | valdyn, yea found it just now.. thanks tho |
| 22:08.39 | docmax | is there a web site which lists all MUST-HAVE tools for linux? |
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| 22:08.56 | valdyn | docmax: whats a must-have tool? |
| 22:09.01 | valdyn | docmax: surely not rcconf |
| 22:09.05 | docmax | for example rcconf |
| 22:09.14 | docmax | turning deamons on and off |
| 22:09.16 | jim | having said that, you can have both and boot into the debian one when you're trying to determine the source of a problem |
| 22:09.26 | benjamindees | does fine without rcconf |
| 22:09.27 | docmax | or powertop |
| 22:09.33 | docmax | also nice feature tool |
| 22:09.38 | jim | docmax: the must-haves are in debian base which is installed on every debian |
| 22:09.38 | docmax | or htop |
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| 22:09.53 | docmax | rcconf wasnt installed |
| 22:09.56 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, you want to make a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d called something like "02preferdistro" and in that file put APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 22:10.16 | jim | the base is enough to boot, enough to mount /, enough to fix problems |
| 22:10.16 | grendal_prime | ok pin it basically |
| 22:10.49 | jim | and you can also write simple scripts (there is no gui; that itself is much larger than the base) |
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| 22:11.28 | Azmodan | hello |
| 22:11.28 | docmax | rcconf is exactly what i searched for |
| 22:11.28 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, yup :) make sure you put "testing" not lenny, i tried lenny first time and it did not pin to lenny |
| 22:11.39 | Azmodan | hey Lagbolt |
| 22:11.42 | Azmodan | what's up? |
| 22:11.44 | docmax | also a must have tool: like ccleaner in windows. anything in linux? |
| 22:11.45 | Lagbolt | hi Azmodan |
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| 22:11.46 | Lagbolt | not much |
| 22:11.49 | jim | docmax: look into update-rc.d |
| 22:11.50 | Azmodan | :) |
| 22:11.53 | docmax | (cleaning up tem files) |
| 22:11.59 | Azmodan | got a min for a quick question Lagbolt? |
| 22:12.01 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, so what you got so far on laptop? 24 kern? |
| 22:12.04 | bitweiler | orveldv: FWIW i'm trying to install modular xorg from netbsd pkgsrc tree |
| 22:12.16 | Lagbolt | Azmodan, ask the chan :) if i can help i will but maybe someone else can if i cant |
| 22:12.45 | grendal_prime | ya 24 |
| 22:12.51 | orveldv | bitweiler: ouch. sounds like fun. |
| 22:12.55 | grendal_prime | ok it has to be testing..no lenny? |
| 22:13.01 | grendal_prime | in the file you mentioned.. |
| 22:13.07 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, yeah testing |
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| 22:13.19 | bitweiler | yeah, it is plus I never used debian before |
| 22:13.20 | Azmodan | well it's easy, i was using a USB modem with debian, now i changed to a router, but sure the DHCP stuff weren't configured back then, so, how can i get it to work now? |
| 22:13.21 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, in sources.list you can use lenny, but in that 02PREFERDISTRO put testing |
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| 22:13.42 | grendal_prime | ok done deal |
| 22:13.51 | bitweiler | so I'm install only the base without X11 |
| 22:13.51 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, you can test it but apt-get update; apt-cache policy openoffice.org and see what it wants to install |
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| 22:14.01 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, if it wants the lenny version you are set :) |
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| 22:15.01 | Azmodan | guy.. network detection? |
| 22:15.04 | Azmodan | guys* |
| 22:15.13 | Lagbolt | Azmodan, usb modem to router? |
| 22:15.27 | grendal_prime | installed and candidate are the same...1:2.4.0-5 |
| 22:15.35 | Lagbolt | Azmodan, so was usb network now using ethernet? |
| 22:15.45 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, good deal |
| 22:15.46 | Azmodan | Lagbolt no no, DSL line -> router -> eth |
| 22:15.52 | Azmodan | yea Lagbolt exactly |
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| 22:16.35 | grendal_prime | so now what? |
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| 22:16.44 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, is X installed? if so stop X |
| 22:16.45 | grendal_prime | apt-get nvidia? |
| 22:16.50 | grendal_prime | ok ill stop x now |
| 22:17.03 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, install module-assistant |
| 22:17.27 | grendal_prime | ya already did that |
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| 22:17.43 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, run "m-a a-i nvidia" |
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| 22:18.05 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, that should pull in what it needs and compile kernel driver. might have to say yes and hit enter a time or two |
| 22:18.17 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, then apt-get install nvidia-glx . .. then modify xorg.conf |
| 22:18.42 | grendal_prime | m-a a-i nvidia? just like that? |
| 22:18.51 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 22:19.15 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, that is shortcut for "module-assistant auto-install nvidia" they just made it easier for us :) |
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| 22:19.44 | Lagbolt | it should pull in kernel headers and some packages to build if you do not already have them |
| 22:19.45 | docmax | im searching a cleanup tool for linux, anyone? |
| 22:19.50 | docmax | (cleaning up tem files) |
| 22:19.51 | asg | docmax: rm |
| 22:19.56 | docmax | yeah rm |
| 22:20.02 | docmax | is it a command? |
| 22:20.04 | grendal_prime | i like easy....porn and money to.. |
| 22:20.06 | asg | docmax: man rm |
| 22:20.06 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:20.07 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 22:20.08 | docmax | or package? |
| 22:20.09 | themill | grendal_prime: computer programmers can't type to save their lives, that's why it's cp not copy, mv not move etc. so module-assistant is just silly... m-a. |
| 22:20.12 | Lagbolt | Juventino, new name eh |
| 22:20.22 | Lagbolt | rm lol |
| 22:20.28 | Juventino | Lagbolt lol actually the old one lol |
| 22:20.32 | master_of_master | hi, how can I create on x86 a mac partition on an USB stick? |
| 22:20.37 | bitweiler | how can I remove the debian X packages |
| 22:20.46 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i meant you disappeared |
| 22:20.50 | Juventino | oh |
| 22:20.54 | Juventino | my bad sorry |
| 22:20.57 | asg | bitweiler: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 22:21.15 | Lagbolt | so you have dsl to router. . . were you connecting directly to dsl modem before? |
| 22:21.29 | Juventino | yea Lagbolt |
| 22:21.32 | docmax | thanks a lot, rm cleaned my root partition!!!!! |
| 22:21.55 | aleksanteri | rm is a nice tool but not a nice master. |
| 22:22.06 | asg | docmax: you were instructed to read the manpage 'man rm' |
| 22:22.06 | aleksanteri | :> |
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| 22:22.12 | bitweiler | asg: what are the X11 packages names |
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| 22:22.18 | asg | bitweiler: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 22:22.43 | docmax | is there a tool like ccleaner? |
| 22:22.47 | Lagbolt | Juventino, using usb eh? well first i would make sure the modem and the router are playing nice together. can you connect to the router? or do you not even have an ip from it? |
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| 22:23.00 | Juventino | Lagbolt yea yea |
| 22:23.17 | Juventino | everything is set, i got it working on 2 windowses and on Sidux |
| 22:23.19 | Lagbolt | Juventino, so you have an ip from the router? then what is the trouble |
| 22:23.22 | Juventino | it's smooth |
| 22:23.32 | Lagbolt | ah so network is not configured in debian |
| 22:23.37 | asg | docmax: are you going to tell us what ccleaner does or do we have to guess? |
| 22:23.41 | Juventino | Lagbolt exactly |
| 22:24.06 | Lagbolt | Juventino, what does /sbin/ifconfig say? |
| 22:24.15 | Lagbolt | does it show any interfaces other than lo? |
| 22:24.18 | Caelum | why do I get an exec format error when I try to run /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/perl |
| 22:24.18 | Juventino | hmm gimme a 1 min |
| 22:24.48 | grendal_prime | ok seems to have ton ok accept that it had one warning...nvidia kernel is missing lsb style header? |
| 22:25.01 | grendal_prime | whatever that means |
| 22:25.05 | bitweiler | thanks asg |
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| 22:25.31 | Lagbolt | lsb style header? |
| 22:25.32 | grendal_prime | oops wrong x |
| 22:25.34 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 22:25.37 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 22:25.46 | grendal_prime | ya that what it says..but it also says it installed |
| 22:25.47 | Lagbolt | so is kern mod loaded ok? |
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| 22:25.51 | Lagbolt | nice |
| 22:25.55 | Lagbolt | did you install nvidia-glx |
| 22:25.57 | grendal_prime | dont know yet |
| 22:26.01 | grendal_prime | nope |
| 22:26.12 | grendal_prime | that comes from lenny? or |
| 22:26.14 | grendal_prime | sid |
| 22:26.16 | Lagbolt | do that next, then change xorg.conf to nvidia from what ever you had |
| 22:26.26 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, if it was a warning dont sweat it :) |
| 22:26.41 | grendal_prime | it very clearly stats warning.. |
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| 22:27.21 | enouf | Caemyr: 64 vs 32 liklely |
| 22:27.24 | Juventino | Lagbolt no, there's only lo in ifconfig |
| 22:27.32 | grendal_prime | ok where is the nvidia-glx? |
| 22:27.36 | grendal_prime | sid? |
| 22:28.10 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, yeah sid |
| 22:28.19 | Lagbolt | does it not show up in apt-cache search nvidia-glx |
| 22:28.27 | Lagbolt | Juventino, need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:28.58 | clibbl | Hello. I have developed a really odd fault - since a few days ago my computer always starts with the master volume muted. I can't for the life of me find the switch that alters the start state of the volume applet in gnome. I know I could reset gnome by deleting all the home directories from a cli prompt but it's not that big an issue and besides I really want to understand this issue and what's caused it. Any ideas? |
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| 22:29.21 | Juventino | Lagbolt edit what in it? |
| 22:29.36 | grendal_prime | do i have to specify its ok for it to get that from sid somhow? like a apt-get switch or something? |
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| 22:30.01 | Lagbolt | Juventino, what interfaces are in it? |
| 22:30.05 | grendal_prime | nevermind i got it |
| 22:30.10 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, if it is only version it will get it |
| 22:30.18 | Lagbolt | if not then specify "-t unstable" |
| 22:30.28 | Juventino | Lagbolt, auto lol , iface lo inet loopback |
| 22:30.35 | Lagbolt | Juventino, actually what do you see in "cat /proc/net/dev" |
| 22:30.38 | grendal_prime | ok done |
| 22:30.39 | Lagbolt | what interfaces |
| 22:30.43 | ceaseNdesist | aah nice!! |
| 22:30.44 | grendal_prime | now the xorg.conf? |
| 22:30.47 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, sweet, change xorg.conf |
| 22:31.05 | ceaseNdesist | finally got it |
| 22:31.15 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, you know how to do that part? |
| 22:31.21 | Juventino | Lagbolt, lo and eth0 |
| 22:31.29 | grendal_prime | hmm dont see a section for driver |
| 22:31.45 | Lagbolt | ok Juventino is eth0 setup in interfaces? |
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| 22:32.35 | asdzzxc | hi |
| 22:32.35 | Juventino | Lagbolt come again? |
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| 22:32.36 | Lagbolt | Juventino, what was in /etc/network/interfaces anything with eth0 |
| 22:32.36 | asdzzxc | how can i tell apt to install only one package from repository ? |
| 22:32.36 | grendal_prime | and i havent been able to get dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg to work..it bails out at the keyboard |
| 22:32.36 | Juventino | grendal_prime: look for "nv" and replace it wit "nvidia" |
| 22:32.36 | asdzzxc | i added new repository to source.list but i want only one package from it |
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| 22:32.36 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, bales out? |
| 22:32.36 | Juventino | with* |
| 22:32.36 | Lagbolt | ouch |
| 22:32.36 | grendal_prime | well after the keyboard.. |
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| 22:32.42 | Lagbolt | error? |
| 22:32.42 | Juventino | Lagbolt: yea only zeros |
| 22:32.48 | grendal_prime | ya there is no nv section |
| 22:33.04 | Lagbolt | Juventino, only zeros? can you pastebin your interfaces file |
| 22:33.05 | grendal_prime | no no error |
| 22:33.14 | grendal_prime | it acts like it does not do that anymore |
| 22:33.17 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, is there a "vesa" |
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| 22:33.25 | grendal_prime | nope |
| 22:33.29 | grendal_prime | hold on i got an idea |
| 22:33.34 | Lagbolt | nothing for video card? |
| 22:33.42 | Juventino | Lagbolt not really, cause the pc running debian is not connected right now |
| 22:33.59 | Lagbolt | Juventino, what do you mean by zeros? what is on the eth0 line |
| 22:34.15 | Juventino | Lagbolt, it's connected to the router |
| 22:34.19 | grendal_prime | ya nothing |
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| 22:34.38 | Juventino | grendal_prime did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 22:34.40 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, do you have a working xorg on the machine you are on? |
| 22:34.51 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 22:34.53 | grendal_prime | it works |
| 22:35.05 | grendal_prime | but there is no section for driver not for the video anyway |
| 22:35.05 | Caemyr | enouf: ?? |
| 22:35.26 | enouf | Caemyr: ? |
| 22:35.27 | asdzzxc | how can i tell apt to install only one package from repository ? i added new repository to source.list but i want only one package from it |
| 22:35.28 | grendal_prime | Juventino: i run that it does the usual stuff but does not ask me any of the dialog for the display |
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| 22:35.44 | Caemyr | [02:26:56] <enouf> Caemyr: 64 vs 32 liklely |
| 22:35.59 | grendal_prime | someone mentioned i need to run it with -plow ...or something like that? |
| 22:36.02 | enouf | Caemyr: yes, i've seen 'exec format error' as a result |
| 22:36.07 | grendal_prime | that make any sence? |
| 22:36.13 | Lagbolt | hmm no device eh? yeah |
| 22:36.14 | Lagbolt | -plot |
| 22:36.19 | Lagbolt | plow i mean |
| 22:36.34 | Lagbolt | or remove xorg.conf (mv it somewhere else) |
| 22:36.38 | Lagbolt | then reconfigure |
| 22:36.54 | enouf | asdzzxc: apt-get update ; apt-get -s install <pkgname> |
| 22:37.00 | grendal_prime | it still does the same thing |
| 22:37.01 | enouf | asdzzxc: -s == simulate |
| 22:37.01 | Juventino | Lagbolt, i got it to work though just like that on Sidux (eth0 configuration GUI) |
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| 22:37.16 | enouf | !tell asdzzxc -about reference |
| 22:37.17 | Juventino | Lagbolt, but i don't know how to configure a network on debian :( |
| 22:37.17 | Lagbolt | Juventino, so it works? |
| 22:37.21 | Lagbolt | arg |
| 22:37.26 | CrocoJet | someone here is using debian testing ? |
| 22:37.37 | themill | CrocoJet: noone. |
| 22:37.42 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i am trying to tell you , you have to tell me what is in that file |
| 22:37.51 | Lagbolt | CrocoJet, lots of people i suspect |
| 22:37.57 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 22:38.01 | Lagbolt | themill, nice |
| 22:38.07 | asdzzxc | enouf no, you don't understand. i added repository which has php5 and mysql5 (so it replaces oficialn debian packages) |
| 22:38.27 | CrocoJet | Lagbolt, how did you go to testing ? Do you start from stable or get .iso testing ? |
| 22:38.27 | asdzzxc | enouf but i only want to install mysql5 and get php5 from oficialn debian repo. |
| 22:38.33 | grendal_prime | ya nothing on that ither |
| 22:38.34 | Lagbolt | Hey what is that pastebin thing ? |
| 22:38.37 | Lagbolt | !pastebinpipe |
| 22:38.39 | Lagbolt | is that it? |
| 22:38.41 | jeef | i have tomcat5.5 package version 5.5.26-1 installed (lenny), yet i still see some bugs that were reported with previous releases, as if installing this package didn't overwrite some things that it should have overwritten (various configs); is there any way i can forcefully extract some config files from the package or have the package just 'overwrite all'? |
| 22:38.41 | themill | adama: why are you doing that? |
| 22:38.45 | themill | Lagbolt: pastebin pipe |
| 22:38.50 | Juventino | Lagbolt, /proc/net/dev : lo: 5764 88 0 0 0 0 0 5764 88 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 22:39.00 | grendal_prime | can yo uput the xorg.conf there? |
| 22:39.01 | Lagbolt | Juventino, not that line |
| 22:39.06 | enouf | asdzzxc: go get the .deb and dpkg -i it -- not sure you're making a smart move though |
| 22:39.12 | Juventino | and eth0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 |
| 22:39.14 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, where? |
| 22:39.23 | grendal_prime | pastbin |
| 22:39.27 | asdzzxc | enouf but then it won't get updated |
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| 22:39.29 | Lagbolt | Juventino, in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 22:39.29 | enouf | !tell themill -about noone |
| 22:39.32 | Lagbolt | grrrr |
| 22:39.33 | enouf | themill: ;-) |
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| 22:39.46 | asdzzxc | enouf isn't it possible to tell aptitude something like 'intall only mysql5 from this repo.' ? |
| 22:39.53 | enouf | asdzzxc: sure it will |
| 22:40.05 | enouf | asdzzxc: read teh debian reference |
| 22:40.07 | CrocoJet | for me no-sense make download stable .. after go to testing |
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| 22:40.23 | Juventino | Lagbolt: there are 2 lines: auto lo , iface lo inet loopback |
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| 22:40.32 | Lagbolt | Juventino, in /etc/network/interfaces there should be some lines for each interface something like that |
| 22:40.33 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 22:40.47 | NickPresta | asdzzxc, something like: aptitude -t testing install mysql5. There is a lot of documentation on selecting certain packages. |
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| 22:40.52 | Lagbolt | Juventino, add these two lines: line1) auto eth0 line2) iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:41.05 | Juventino | Lagbolt ok 1 min |
| 22:41.12 | themill | asdzzxc: it's highly unlikely that you really want to do this. What are you trying to do? |
| 22:41.17 | asdzzxc | NickPresta but that new repo automatically replaced official packages |
| 22:41.20 | Lagbolt | Juventino, did you not have network when you installed debian? |
| 22:41.29 | asdzzxc | themill i want to install only mysql5 from dotdeb |
| 22:41.43 | asdzzxc | themill but dotdeb has many more packages, for example php5 |
| 22:41.46 | Juventino | Lagbolt no :s |
| 22:41.48 | themill | asdzzxc: why? (dotdeb debs are quite problematic) |
| 22:41.52 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 22:41.56 | asdzzxc | themill and now when i type 'aptitude install php5' it will get it gtom dotdeb |
| 22:41.58 | bitweiler` | debian, is actually a very nice Linux |
| 22:42.02 | Juventino | Lagbolt ok done |
| 22:42.07 | asdzzxc | * from |
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| 22:42.09 | Lagbolt | Juventino, no "ifup eth0" |
| 22:42.11 | CrocoJet | well I will try apt-get -t testing update |
| 22:42.12 | enouf | asdzzxc: only if you compile from source - and install in /usr/local/ (as usual) will 'dpkg/apt' not know about it - and leave it alone (well, this is one circumstance) - if you want to learn aptitude, go ahead - man aptitude, i use apt |
| 22:42.14 | Lagbolt | run that command |
| 22:42.31 | NickPresta | asdzzxc, if you have a specific version you want to install, aptitude install php5=5.2.6 |
| 22:42.32 | Lagbolt | Juventino, run that command |
| 22:42.33 | Juventino | no = now? |
| 22:42.39 | Lagbolt | now |
| 22:42.39 | bitweiler_ | does debian have a firewall on by default |
| 22:42.39 | NickPresta | asdzzxc, obviously replace 5.2.6 with the package version |
| 22:42.39 | Lagbolt | yes |
| 22:42.40 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 22:42.51 | asdzzxc | NickPresta i will try |
| 22:42.52 | themill | enouf: get a better style manual. Noone is a word in the English language. |
| 22:42.53 | CrocoJet | toc toc toc .. someone can help me ? |
| 22:42.54 | Lagbolt | bitweiler_, no, install one |
| 22:43.04 | Juventino | cool ! thnx Lagbolt :) |
| 22:43.07 | bitweiler_ | oh i will |
| 22:43.08 | Lagbolt | Juventino, it worked? |
| 22:43.12 | enouf | asdzzxc: if your release doen't offer the version "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 22:43.20 | Juventino | guess it's working, yea i saw the static ip i gave to that machine |
| 22:43.21 | asdzzxc | NickPresta Unable to find a version "5.2.0" for the package "php5" |
| 22:43.25 | Juventino | 1 min let me try browsing |
| 22:43.27 | enouf | themill: no its not |
| 22:43.39 | asdzzxc | NickPresta official debian php5 is 5.2.0 |
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| 22:43.43 | enouf | themill: have you lost your bird man? |
| 22:43.58 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 22:44.03 | Juventino | yes! working :D |
| 22:44.04 | asdzzxc | NickPresta the one from dotdeb is 5.2.6 (currently installed, i want to replace it) |
| 22:44.20 | CrocoJet | bird here in Brazil = penis |
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| 22:44.21 | CrocoJet | lol |
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| 22:44.30 | Juventino | thnx a million Lagbolt, but, do i have to do ifup eth0 everytime i reboot? |
| 22:44.37 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, hows it going over there |
| 22:44.45 | Lagbolt | Juventino, no, auto eth0 will take care of it |
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| 22:44.53 | themill | enouf: it's listed in the oed. Works for me. |
| 22:44.54 | Juventino | Lagbolt thnx :) |
| 22:44.57 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 22:45.05 | grendal_prime | still trying to figure out what do do about the xorg.cong |
| 22:45.07 | grendal_prime | conf |
| 22:45.11 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:45.21 | Mazingaro | please how can i quit from minicom? |
| 22:45.23 | enouf | themill: omg .. someone shoot that fucker |
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| 22:46.07 | NickPresta | asdzzxc, you have to look at the actual package version via: apt-cache showpkg php5. The version you want will be named something like: 5.2.0-3 or something similar. |
| 22:46.21 | asdzzxc | ok, mmt |
| 22:46.31 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, mv xorg.conf to some other location |
| 22:46.45 | themill | asdzzxc: is the rest of your machine etch? |
| 22:46.49 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, the dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg. . .does that get you a new one with device? |
| 22:46.56 | grendal_prime | there are about 5 backups at this point |
| 22:46.59 | asdzzxc | themill yes |
| 22:47.00 | grendal_prime | ill try that |
| 22:47.01 | CrocoJet | I hope that xorg be nice with my nvidia video |
| 22:47.10 | themill | asdzzxc: aptitude install php5=5.2.0-8+etch10 |
| 22:47.32 | CrocoJet | themill, why do you aptitude .. apt-get is not better ? |
| 22:47.48 | themill | !tell CrocoJet about why aptitude |
| 22:47.49 | CrocoJet | do you use |
| 22:47.56 | asdzzxc | themill that works |
| 22:47.56 | enouf | CrocoJet: not the etch version, and it's choice really |
| 22:48.12 | NickPresta | !tell NickPresta about why aptitude |
| 22:48.22 | grendal_prime | nope same thing |
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| 22:48.32 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, if that doesnt work could try dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg <-- should ask more questions |
| 22:48.34 | enouf | !tell NickPresta -about msg the bot |
| 22:48.45 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 22:48.48 | NickPresta | enouf, yes, I know. I forgot the bots name :) |
| 22:49.04 | themill | asdzzxc: you probably also want to aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5=5.2.0-8+etch10 |
| 22:49.20 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, there is also a command "nvidia-xconfig" :) |
| 22:49.26 | themill | asdzzxc: and you probably also want to get rid of the dotdeb entries in your sources.list. |
| 22:49.39 | grendal_prime | same thing |
| 22:50.15 | enouf | themill: he may have ran apt-get update already.. so .. not sure of those ramifications |
| 22:50.22 | grendal_prime | not on this box there isnt |
| 22:50.25 | themill | asdzzxc: Once you've done that, you can go through the list of "obsolete or locally installed packages" in synaptic or aptitude to find anything else that you should downgrade. And for a better way to do this, /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 22:50.32 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, apt-get install nvidia-xconfig |
| 22:50.33 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 22:50.47 | themill | enouf: indeed... selective downgrading is fun :S |
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| 22:50.57 | enouf | ssb told him about backports ;-) |
| 22:51.18 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, once you get X working you can install nvidia-settings and it is a nice gui that can really help too |
| 22:51.21 | CrocoJet | more 26 min to finish download etch dvd iso .. and install !! |
| 22:51.23 | enouf | themill: ugh - i'd clean cache (if ONLY cache was tainted) |
| 22:51.33 | themill | enouf: I'm working on the "keep telling until the message gets through" principle. |
| 22:51.41 | enouf | hehe |
| 22:51.44 | grendal_prime | that did it |
| 22:52.02 | enouf | themill: Pound it "127.0.0.1"! |
| 22:52.03 | asdzzxc | themill ok, thnx |
| 22:52.11 | Lagbolt | did what? lol |
| 22:52.13 | themill | enouf: apt-get update isn't the dangerous part, it's actually having the shitty dotdeb debs installed. |
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| 22:52.16 | asdzzxc | themill unfortunately, this doesn't solve my problem with php :/ |
| 22:52.21 | Lagbolt | fixed it or installed it lol |
| 22:52.22 | grendal_prime | well it set up a compleatly different xorg.conf |
| 22:52.23 | themill | asdzzxc: which is? |
| 22:52.33 | grendal_prime | has the nvidia driver listed there |
| 22:52.39 | grendal_prime | sooo now restart x on the thing hu? |
| 22:52.46 | asdzzxc | themill it's crashing when run via Apache on useing function imap_open |
| 22:52.48 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, using gdm? |
| 22:52.53 | bitweiler_ | anyone use ipf? |
| 22:52.54 | grendal_prime | kdm |
| 22:52.58 | CrocoJet | is hard to install nvidia drivers ? |
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| 22:53.05 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, prob /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 22:53.05 | asdzzxc | themill but it's only crashing when there are more then 1030 virtualhosts in apache |
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| 22:53.10 | themill | asdzzxc: is php actually crashing? or is the script crashing? |
| 22:53.12 | asdzzxc | themill at the moment i have cca 1100 |
| 22:53.14 | enouf | themill: i know, however, it's those subtle nagging pkg 'conflicts' that may arise in the future .. ugh |
| 22:53.28 | bitweiler_ | CrocoJet: not with modular-xorg |
| 22:53.28 | asdzzxc | themill if i remove some so there are less then 1030, it's working fine |
| 22:53.32 | asdzzxc | themill apache child is crashing |
| 22:53.36 | CrocoJet | in fedora world .. yum install kmod-nvidia .. |
| 22:53.43 | asdzzxc | themill [Fri May 16 00:51:27 2008] [notice] child pid 32178 exit signal Segmentation fau |
| 22:53.44 | asdzzxc | lt (11) |
| 22:53.45 | Nazcafan | I need to install a special firmware in order to get my iSight camera working |
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| 22:54.08 | enouf | iDunno |
| 22:54.08 | asdzzxc | themill but, as i said, when i remove some virtualhosts (no matter which), it's working |
| 22:54.10 | CrocoJet | do I need compile nvidia drivers ? |
| 22:54.18 | grendal_prime | ya, i get the same thing...big grey screen with a black line through the middle...fk |
| 22:54.20 | Nazcafan | but the firmware file is in the mac os install that I wiped out when installing debian |
| 22:54.23 | themill | enouf: the apt-get update still isn't a problem. You can add and remove as many entries from your sources.list as you want. It's the ugly packages that are left behind that are the problem. Hence my suggestion to look at "locally installed or obsolete" packages to check. |
| 22:54.38 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, what? how did you kill X to begin with |
| 22:54.40 | themill | asdzzxc: that's a bit weird.... :( |
| 22:54.55 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 22:54.56 | asdzzxc | themill yes :( i already tried to raise all limits via ulimit for apache |
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| 22:55.01 | asdzzxc | themill everything is on unlimited |
| 22:55.19 | themill | asdzzxc: segfaults are a programmer error, not a limitation |
| 22:55.29 | grendal_prime | killed it rcinvoke kdm stop |
| 22:55.47 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, so now when you start you get gray screen eh? |
| 22:55.52 | asdzzxc | themill but it can segfault cos it runs out of somehting (for example memory), so kernel will kill it |
| 22:55.56 | Lagbolt | do you have to stop it or does it error out back to terminal |
| 22:56.03 | enouf | themill: my point is if the cache thinks a version is available that really isn't (and also came from elsewhere), in the future, some nasty fallout may occur - that;s why 'ssb' specifically only does deb-src |
| 22:56.05 | themill | asdzzxc: that won't be a segfault |
| 22:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to keep certain (selected) commands in the shells command history forever? |
| 22:56.21 | asdzzxc | themill when you run a PHP script which has infinite recusrsion |
| 22:56.27 | asdzzxc | themill it will segfault too |
| 22:56.34 | NickPresta | asdzzxc, perhaps you're hitting the file descriptor limits? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/fd-limits.html |
| 22:56.36 | asdzzxc | themill i tried it on several different distros |
| 22:56.43 | themill | asdzzxc: that's a bug in php then. That shouldn't segfault. |
| 22:56.43 | grendal_prime | its werid..its like this sort of...scaled...like...it changes its whiteish greyish with a gradiant fill to it..it changes |
| 22:56.53 | asdzzxc | NickPresta no, every apache child has cca 1100 FDs, limit is on 6144 |
| 22:56.58 | grendal_prime | and then this black line..that fades to grey as it goes up appears |
| 22:57.00 | asdzzxc | NickPresta i get the 1100 from /proc |
| 22:57.15 | themill | enouf: but if you remove the entry from the sources.list and then apt-get update again, the package cache no longer knows about that package at all. |
| 22:57.15 | asdzzxc | themill i was telling this on #php, they said it's ok :) |
| 22:57.16 | CrocoJet | how much do I need swap .. I have 2G RAM |
| 22:57.23 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, that is not good |
| 22:57.38 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, stop X, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if nvidia driver is being used |
| 22:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got some long commands (scp with path) I'm using repetitively, but not often enough for them to stay in the command history... would be nice to have them permanently... and I can't use an alias, because I have to edit the path everytime |
| 22:57.51 | CrocoJet | I saw site .. RAM total * 2 = swap size |
| 22:57.52 | asdzzxc | themill anyway, my PHP is also crashing on imap_open |
| 22:57.56 | themill | asdzzxc: no... that's bollox. That only goes to heighten my disdain for php and it's developers. There is never any excuse for a segfault. |
| 22:58.04 | Lagbolt | also edit xorg.conf . . was Driver "nvidia" in it? |
| 22:58.14 | asdzzxc | themill this script: $ddd = @imap_open("{localhost/imap/notls}", "gdfg", "sdfsdf"); |
| 22:58.24 | grendal_prime | if i change the driver to nv..it works fine |
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| 22:58.29 | enouf | themill: oh really? hrm .. that easy to clean and resanctify the cache? i should know this - no apt-cache clean or anything? .. i need to look over the docs, been a LONG while |
| 22:58.33 | grendal_prime | but its not running in accerated mode |
| 22:58.40 | asdzzxc | themill it's workning fine when there are less then 1030 vhosts |
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| 22:58.49 | asdzzxc | themill when there are more, it segfaults |
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| 22:58.54 | asdzzxc | themill it's also working in php-cli |
| 22:58.58 | itomato | ulimit |
| 22:59.07 | ticklemonster | wut up bitches |
| 22:59.10 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, not nv should be nvidia |
| 22:59.11 | ticklemonster | where m'dawgs at? |
| 22:59.21 | themill | !question ticklemonster |
| 22:59.21 | dpkg | ticklemonster: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
| 22:59.23 | grendal_prime | ya.. |
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| 22:59.29 | Lagbolt | that is how you get gray screen? |
| 22:59.37 | themill | enouf: no, apt-get update always flushes the list of known packages. no "clean" required. |
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| 22:59.49 | asdzzxc | themill ulimit for apache: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12332/ |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | themill: then you are correct sir ;-) |
| 23:00.06 | asdzzxc | themill output from ulimit -a runs by a php script |
| 23:00.10 | grendal_prime | i just wanted to test it with nv and that works... with nividia it does the constantly changing grey/black screen |
| 23:00.27 | asdzzxc | themill i also tried that 'stack size' set to unlimited, no luck |
| 23:00.52 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, can you pastebin your xorg.conf? |
| 23:00.53 | enouf | file descriptors? |
| 23:00.54 | NthDegree | grendal_prime: what app is doing that? |
| 23:01.24 | V4Nelle | guys sensors-detect find and load the modules which needed but after that "Sensors" tell me to run sensors-detect again......there is any bug? |
| 23:01.26 | grendal_prime | NthDegree: X in generall |
| 23:01.28 | grendal_prime | sure.. |
| 23:01.32 | grendal_prime | on the pastbin bit |
| 23:02.05 | themill | asdzzxc: php is asking for a slab of memory and it is not being allocated to it. Something within php is assuming that the memory was allocated and trying to write to it, resulting in a segfault. I can't see why the number of vhosts changes that. But you could try to allow php to have more memory in php.ini (but that error is normally cleanly handled by php) |
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| 23:02.43 | asdzzxc | themill yes, when you runs out of memory in PHP, you will get PHP error |
| 23:02.50 | asdzzxc | themill but memory_limit is on 100MB |
| 23:02.58 | abrotman | upit |
| 23:02.59 | asdzzxc | themill for that vhosts where it's crashing |
| 23:03.59 | grendal_prime | im looking at the error log...it looks like it..the only validaded modes was 640X480 |
| 23:04.12 | asdzzxc | themill i just tried set it to 500M |
| 23:04.14 | grendal_prime | this is one of those wider, screens ..its not square |
| 23:04.17 | asdzzxc | themill still the same |
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| 23:04.34 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, pastebin :) |
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| 23:04.43 | grendal_prime | k hold on |
| 23:04.45 | themill | asdzzxc: thought as much |
| 23:04.46 | CrocoJet | is this problems "http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html" solved in debian 4 rc3 ? |
| 23:05.42 | asdzzxc | themill any other ideas ? :( |
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| 23:06.43 | themill | CrocoJet: it's 4.0r3 not rc3, and no r3 was released before that advisory. |
| 23:06.46 | Javid | on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/bt-cd/ there are install CDs 1 through 22. How many are actually necessary to install? @.o |
| 23:06.57 | themill | Javid: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 23:07.19 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
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| 23:07.22 | Javid | Can't netinstall on the system I'm looking at |
| 23:07.40 | CrocoJet | Javid, I am downlaoding DVD (#1) |
| 23:08.13 | themill | asdzzxc: not really... :( You could try backporting php itself (/msg dpkg ssb) to see if it's been fixed in a newer php. Unfortunately, if you report a bug to php they will just ask that you test the CVS snapshot to see if it's still a problem. |
| 23:08.15 | CrocoJet | more 8 min ... |
| 23:08.31 | themill | asdzzxc: But don't use the dotdeb debs, make your own. |
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| 23:09.04 | asdzzxc | themill do you think the problem is in PHP ? |
| 23:09.21 | Pav5088 | How do I figure out how a file is created (from a package?). I'm having build problems caused by a file in gnustep-common . There is an environment variable set to i486 even though I'm running an amd64 kernel. |
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| 23:09.47 | asdzzxc | themill is it possible that IMAP modul of PHP is lowering any ulimits ? |
| 23:09.53 | Pav5088 | It is causing a build to fail. |
| 23:10.15 | asdzzxc | themill just a thought, i'm not expert in this |
| 23:10.30 | themill | asdzzxc: I can't see ulimits being a problem here. Well, they could be if the programming was sloppy. Ok, so it's php. :S It's either an imap library or php bug |
| 23:10.35 | enouf | Pav5088: grep the .postinst script |
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| 23:11.29 | enouf | CrocoJet: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 23:11.45 | Pav5088 | enouf : Is a deb a tar.gz? |
| 23:11.54 | asdzzxc | themill for example, i remember problem in command 'host' from Bind package |
| 23:12.09 | revlo | hi, if my gnome-volume-mananger does show mount usb-sticks after they are plugged in, but hal finds then (via lshal) where is the best way to search for possible errors (debian etch, sparc) |
| 23:12.15 | enouf | Pav5088: it's a couple of ars and a rules file |
| 23:12.16 | asdzzxc | themill it has hard-coded the open files limit (which was lower then system setting) |
| 23:12.17 | Pav5088 | enouf : ...and the .postinst script is in there? |
| 23:12.34 | enouf | Pav5088: yep, see dpkg -x |
| 23:12.40 | asdzzxc | themill and was crashing cos of this - it has just lowered his own ulimit |
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| 23:12.58 | enouf | Pav5088: if the pkg is installed it;s already at ... one sec |
| 23:13.07 | themill | asdzzxc: hmmm... I still can't see why the number of vhosts would influence this at all |
| 23:13.30 | asdzzxc | themill well, it is costing a little of memory for example |
| 23:13.43 | enouf | Pav5088: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 23:13.48 | asdzzxc | themill maybe some stack memory or something |
| 23:13.56 | themill | asdzzxc: true. Which still brings us back to crappy programming and not checking if malloc() failed. |
| 23:14.09 | Sebboh | Hi. I seem to recall a console application that showed netstat -a type information, but it was presented like top presents process information. So I just checked out ntop.. uh. What's this web-based junk? Is there a smaller package that does what I want? |
| 23:14.12 | asdzzxc | themill well, yes |
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| 23:14.50 | enouf | Pav5088: and FWIW, a .deb is an archive (ar) |
| 23:15.12 | asdzzxc | themill but that doesn't help me :( |
| 23:15.15 | turing | always wondered why they weren't gzips |
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| 23:16.13 | themill | asdzzxc: indeed |
| 23:16.15 | enouf | Sebboh: http://www.i-scream.org/libstatgrab/ ? .. or nmon? or .. |
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| 23:16.36 | enouf | Sebboh: oh, iftop? |
| 23:16.36 | CrocoJet | debian testing use qt4 ? |
| 23:16.52 | enouf | i have that here |
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| 23:17.21 | enouf | CrocoJet: some parts of it are in testing IINM |
| 23:17.31 | enouf | CrocoJet: ask #debian-kde |
| 23:17.55 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 23:17.58 | markybob | CrocoJet, http://packages.debian.org/libqt4-core |
| 23:18.08 | CrocoJet | margiolas, thanks |
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| 23:18.22 | CrocoJet | ops |
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| 23:18.30 | CrocoJet | markybob, thanks |
| 23:18.33 | CrocoJet | :) |
| 23:18.46 | enouf | !tell asdzzxc -about pdo |
| 23:19.19 | enouf | asdzzxc: i just forgert to metnion it before - you were looking for an exact pkg version for Etch |
| 23:19.47 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:19.57 | enouf | TrueDD: ! |
| 23:20.09 | TrueDD | salut enouf ! |
| 23:20.11 | TrueDD | :) |
| 23:20.15 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:20.21 | asdzzxc | enouf thnx |
| 23:20.33 | enouf | i love these new bots, they seem so real :-P |
| 23:21.04 | TrueDD | lol |
| 23:21.09 | TrueDD | allez, bonne nuit |
| 23:21.11 | enouf | and their polite - reminds of the old west world with yul brenner :-P |
| 23:21.13 | TrueDD | Ã demain |
| 23:21.14 | TrueDD | ++ |
| 23:21.15 | enouf | they're |
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| 23:21.58 | Nazcafan | I can not mount DVD's |
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| 23:22.09 | ericoo | bonne nuit |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | to watch them? |
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| 23:22.22 | Nazcafan | abrotman, no, data-DVD |
| 23:22.34 | streuner | check out the symlink then |
| 23:22.35 | enouf | file -s /dev/sdX |
| 23:22.58 | streuner | ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 23:23.24 | enouf | ~$ ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 23:23.24 | enouf | ls: /dev/dvd: No such file or directory |
| 23:23.28 | streuner | hm |
| 23:23.34 | enouf | but i have 2 opticals ;-) |
| 23:23.36 | ericoo | i got a problem linking librayries to flash media server, how can i tell him to search in /lib ? |
| 23:24.10 | Nazcafan | abrotman, leila:/home/fou# file -s /dev/hda |
| 23:24.10 | Nazcafan | /dev/hda: data |
| 23:24.12 | streuner | Nazcafan: give us more info, please. |
| 23:24.29 | Nazcafan | streuner, when I insert a CDrom, gnome mounts it automatically |
| 23:24.36 | enouf | S: disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:07.1-ide-1:1 S: cdrom1 S: cdrw1 S: dvd1 S: dvdrw1 |
| 23:24.38 | streuner | Nazcafan: what does "ls -l /dev/dvd" say? |
| 23:24.39 | abrotman | mount cpommand? |
| 23:24.44 | enouf | is my DVDRW |
| 23:25.09 | enouf | S: disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:07.1-ide-0:1 S: cdrom S: cdrw <== cdrw drive |
| 23:25.16 | Nazcafan | when I insert the Mac OS install DVD rom, it says it fails because of a wrong fstype |
| 23:25.22 | Lagbolt | enouf, ls /dev/dvd* |
| 23:25.30 | enouf | why? |
| 23:25.30 | Nazcafan | streuner, symlink to /dev/hda |
| 23:25.42 | Lagbolt | that says dvd1 dvdrw1 |
| 23:25.44 | grendal_prime | sorry Lagbolt boss..had to discuss something |
| 23:25.44 | enouf | i'm not having an issue, lmao |
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| 23:25.50 | grendal_prime | http://paste.debian.net/3092/ |
| 23:25.51 | enouf | i know |
| 23:25.51 | Lagbolt | its ok grendal_prime |
| 23:25.55 | streuner | Nazcafan: and DVD-ROM is /dev/hda? |
| 23:25.55 | enouf | no /dev/dvd |
| 23:25.57 | grendal_prime | there is the xorg.conf |
| 23:25.57 | enouf | see? |
| 23:26.03 | Nazcafan | streuner, it is indeed |
| 23:26.07 | Lagbolt | enouf, /dev/dvd is diff than /dev/dvd1 |
| 23:26.24 | enouf | but it all workey |
| 23:26.25 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.26 | streuner | hm, might be the kernel which doesn't know about the FS, what's about another DVD? |
| 23:26.33 | Nazcafan | I wonder if macos install DVD's are "different" ... |
| 23:26.38 | enouf | Lagbolt: that doesn't help |
| 23:26.38 | grendal_prime | could it be i just dont have the right...screen mode in there? |
| 23:26.58 | streuner | Nazcafan: try another DVD |
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| 23:27.06 | grendal_prime | im trying to figure out the the screen dimentionis on this thing |
| 23:27.19 | themill | hands grendal_prime a ruler |
| 23:27.57 | Nazcafan | streuner, I'll look for another data=dvd, but so far video-dvd's appear as "mounted" in my gnome, and I can browse, them |
| 23:28.14 | grendal_prime | 13" wide by 8" tall |
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| 23:28.45 | grendal_prime | 15 inches from top left to bottom right.. |
| 23:28.49 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, still getting gray screen with that? |
| 23:28.51 | grendal_prime | but its wider than it is dall |
| 23:29.03 | enouf | Lagbolt: ~$ udevinfo -q all -n /dev/hdb is how to list all the symlinks for the drive |
| 23:29.12 | as84 | can anyone give me two reasons why i should choose debian over archlinux ? |
| 23:29.18 | grendal_prime | with what? the xorg config i pasted? |
| 23:29.19 | enouf | no |
| 23:29.24 | streuner | as84: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:29.49 | Lagbolt | enouf, sorry i wasnt paying close enough attention, i saw the "not found" and thought something diff |
| 23:29.59 | Daemones | hello i was trying to install kde4 on Debian lenny, when i type apt-get install kde4-minimal, show this "E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header", what do i? |
| 23:30.01 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, yeah |
| 23:30.03 | streuner | as84: why only 2? there are more than 800 people here :-P |
| 23:30.05 | Nazcafan | dammit ! |
| 23:30.06 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, or is problem resolution? |
| 23:30.18 | Nazcafan | streuner, my burnt DVD's DO work |
| 23:30.20 | grendal_prime | ya werid continually changing grey/black screen |
| 23:30.22 | enouf | Lagbolt: no worries |
| 23:30.27 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:30.38 | grendal_prime | like a graidiant fill that slowly changes |
| 23:30.38 | as84 | streuner> it says on the site that apt is the best package managed, i though pacman was |
| 23:30.41 | streuner | Nazcafan: hm, sounds like the FS then to me |
| 23:30.43 | as84 | anyway |
| 23:30.55 | grendal_prime | i can take a picture with my phone? |
| 23:31.03 | Nazcafan | streuner, I need to get inside the OS x install DVD, I need toget the firmware file for my macbook |
| 23:31.05 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, thats ok lol |
| 23:31.06 | themill | !tell Daemones about kde4 |
| 23:31.08 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 23:31.13 | as84 | the 4.0 debian can't detect my network card at install |
| 23:31.19 | as84 | so do i need to get sid ? |
| 23:31.21 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 23:31.21 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:31.23 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, can you pastebin Xorg.0.log? |
| 23:31.28 | grendal_prime | this is a really, really new laptop by the way |
| 23:31.36 | streuner | as84: try kmuto ^^^ |
| 23:31.51 | streuner | as84: and find out which kernel support your NIC |
| 23:31.53 | as84 | kmuto ? |
| 23:31.59 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 23:31.59 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:32.02 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, new shouldnt matter, if it is nvidia |
| 23:32.09 | Lagbolt | that is supported |
| 23:32.12 | Lagbolt | my laptop is new :) |
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| 23:32.26 | cammoblammo | My desktop machine is connects to the 'net via an ADSL modem. The machine has a static IP but gets DNS information from the modem. Is it possible to specify another DNS server instead? |
| 23:32.29 | Lagbolt | i guess there could be a vid card not supported by tha driver but dont think so |
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| 23:32.52 | as84 | ok streuner, so those custom iso are the stable debian with a newer compiled kernel ? |
| 23:33.02 | markybob | cammoblammo, /etc/resolv.conf or man interfaces |
| 23:33.16 | streuner | as84: yes, basically |
| 23:33.17 | enouf | Nazcafan: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/dmg.htm anything? |
| 23:33.26 | themill | cammoblammo: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 23:33.32 | cammoblammo | Ah, resolv.conf. I knew it wasn't hard... |
| 23:33.41 | grendal_prime | http://paste.debian.net/3093/ |
| 23:33.46 | grendal_prime | there is the errorlog |
| 23:34.07 | cammoblammo | Thanks people! |
| 23:34.10 | as84 | so ubuntu is just a debian with a newer kernel ? |
| 23:34.15 | nevyn | not quite |
| 23:34.21 | markybob | as84, no |
| 23:34.36 | as84 | because ubuntu's kernel supports lots of hardware |
| 23:34.41 | themill | no |
| 23:34.43 | dendrite | as84: Do you have any Debian questions? |
| 23:34.54 | as84 | the questions i just asked |
| 23:34.56 | autojack | I'm trying to install the nvidia binary drivers on a new Lenny install I just did, but I can't find the nvidia-glx packages. help? |
| 23:35.02 | enouf | Nazcafan: ~$ apt-cache search hfs | grep ^hfs ? |
| 23:35.06 | autojack | I added non-free to my sources.list |
| 23:35.14 | nevyn | autojack: did you apt-get update? |
| 23:35.18 | autojack | yep |
| 23:35.28 | markybob | as84, ubuntu is a different distribution, not just kernel. kmuto's installer is debian with just a new kernel |
| 23:35.30 | nevyn | autojack: use module-assistant and it should get all the requisite bits. |
| 23:35.31 | Nazcafan | enouf, I wiped out my os X install when I installed debian |
| 23:35.54 | themill | nevyn: nvidia isn't in lenny. |
| 23:35.55 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, what does lspci say about your vid card |
| 23:36.17 | autojack | themill: yeah that is what I was starting to suspect? why not? |
| 23:36.18 | nevyn | themill: sigh! |
| 23:36.19 | as84 | ok lasdt question |
| 23:36.21 | as84 | i got an AMD |
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| 23:36.35 | as84 | shall i go with a 32 Bit or 64 bit iso install ? |
| 23:36.36 | themill | autojack: /msg dpkg nvidia look on the wiki |
| 23:36.45 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 23:36.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 23:36.50 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, NVIDIA GPU Quadro FX 360M <-- is that it? |
| 23:37.10 | enouf | Nazcafan: if not any of those, better read what genisoimage/mkisofs has to say about Apple formats .. maybe wodim/cdrecord as well -- does lsmod | egrep 'iso|udf|hfs' look right? |
| 23:37.14 | grendal_prime | ya that sounds like it |
| 23:37.47 | as84 | cheese you guys learn those commands by heart or what? |
| 23:37.51 | Lagbolt | hmm might be you need newest nvidia - http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.19/README/appendix-a.html |
| 23:37.54 | as84 | join #debian-amd64 |
| 23:38.00 | Nazcafan | enouf, I am trying another option which is asking a friend running a macbook to give me the file |
| 23:38.01 | enouf | Nazcafan: maybe #macosx ? or whatever channel can help |
| 23:38.18 | enouf | heh |
| 23:38.30 | enouf | peer2peer .. ;-) |
| 23:38.46 | Nazcafan | enouf, email |
| 23:38.47 | markybob | as84, the same questions are asked over and over again day in and day out. hard to not remember |
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| 23:38.54 | Lagbolt | the nvidia-glx installed is 169.12.1 |
| 23:39.11 | CrocoJet | debian (all packages) are avail for portuguese Brazil ? |
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| 23:39.20 | markybob | CrocoJet, yes |
| 23:39.23 | markybob | !pr |
| 23:39.25 | markybob | !br |
| 23:39.25 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:39.32 | autojack | so if the nvidia packages are not in Lenny, do I need to use the nvidia installer? |
| 23:39.47 | autojack | I tried that and it seems to fail because it can't find version.h in my kernel headers tree. |
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| 23:40.00 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, so you either have to wait for next version of nvidia to get into debian and upgrade it or install off nvidia website (sometimes a pain) |
| 23:40.00 | BlueG | Bibletime seems to only be in the oldstable and unstable repositories. What can you do if you are using another distribution? I tried adding the oldstable repo, but synaptic simply says that two dependancies won't be installed. Is there possibly a way to fix this problem? Can I install it from unstable without making the entire system use unstable? |
| 23:40.11 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, for now you can use nv and just live with out 3d |
| 23:40.16 | Sebboh | enouf, yes, iftop. Thanks. |
| 23:40.36 | Samonoske | Hey has anyone in here used mydns |
| 23:40.47 | grendal_prime | grr |
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| 23:40.48 | abrotman | !tell BlueG about ssb |
| 23:41.09 | grendal_prime | i downloaded the one off of there site |
| 23:41.09 | themill | autojack: you can pull the nvidia packages from sid. Follow the instructions on the wiki. |
| 23:41.12 | dbe | How can I figure out the driver needed for my disk during the Debian installation? |
| 23:41.23 | Samonoske | i did apt-get install of the program and i used a invalid password it contained bad characters apparently..now it wont work |
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| 23:41.26 | themill | wishes the nvidia packages would just go into lenny |
| 23:41.27 | grendal_prime | nvidia that is..how do i remove the driver i put on with you? |
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| 23:41.37 | Samonoske | when i redo apt-get remove it uninstalls the program |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | no? |
| 23:41.52 | Samonoske | btu there is still a file somewhere on my computer that contains the bad pass |
| 23:42.00 | dbe | abrotman: Any idea? |
| 23:42.14 | drraid | Does it look like gpg was affected by the PRNG on debian? |
| 23:42.17 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
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| 23:42.21 | Samonoske | So i have a broken package |
| 23:42.22 | abrotman | need more info |
| 23:42.22 | fde | drraid: no |
| 23:42.31 | enouf | Sebboh: np |
| 23:42.31 | drraid | fde: they use different libraries? |
| 23:42.38 | fde | drraid: Umm, yes. |
| 23:42.43 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 23:42.43 | dpkg | driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 23:42.44 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, remove nvidia-glx and other nvidia modules like kernel-common, source |
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| 23:42.57 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, make sure you purge them "dpkg -P nvidia-glx" for example |
| 23:43.04 | Lagbolt | this will get rid of extra configuation files |
| 23:43.10 | enouf | themill: how long has it been? almost a year now? |
| 23:43.11 | markybob | drraid, http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 23:43.13 | autojack | ok this might be a related question. my Lenny install has a 2.6.18-4 kernel. it looks like 2.6.24 is current in that tree. do I need to upgrade my kernel? |
| 23:43.18 | grendal_prime | but what about the stuff we put in with...moduleassistant? |
| 23:43.32 | drraid | thanks |
| 23:43.37 | themill | enouf: something like that. It's getting boring, that's for sure. |
| 23:43.52 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, module assistant just downloads the binary driver and compiles kernel mod but it makes a deb package |
| 23:43.52 | dbe | Is there any live CD that has PostgreSQL 8.1 in the repositories? |
| 23:44.03 | themill | autojack: that's an out of date etch kernel anyway with known security holes |
| 23:44.06 | Lagbolt | something like nvidia-kernel-2.6.24 something |
| 23:44.06 | enouf | themill: F yeah .. |
| 23:44.07 | Lagbolt | remove that |
| 23:44.10 | Lagbolt | and it is gone |
| 23:44.13 | Lagbolt | make sure stop X |
| 23:44.35 | markybob | grendal_prime, dpkg -l '*nvidia*' |grep ii |
| 23:44.38 | dbe | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 23:44.41 | autojack | themill: so... I should upgrade :) |
| 23:45.03 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching '*nvidia*' |grep ^i :-) |
| 23:45.13 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, i have to go. i will be back later |
| 23:45.14 | enouf | er . gah |
| 23:45.16 | themill | autojack: yeah, I'd suggest so |
| 23:45.20 | CrocoJet | ok gang .. going to install ... good luck CrocoJet ! |
| 23:45.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.28 | dpkg | ii '*nvidia*' |grep ^.i <--fixed, sorry 3.7-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:45.44 | grendal_prime | k thanks |
| 23:45.46 | enouf | omg .. dpkg shaddup |
| 23:46.06 | grendal_prime | ill try the one i got off the nvidia website..it says that it supports this card...so...ill give it a shot |
| 23:46.13 | grendal_prime | thanks for all the help guys |
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| 23:46.42 | enouf | grendal_prime: if you're going that route, /msg dpkg nvrun |
| 23:46.46 | as84 | does anyone has a logical explanation on why apps on winblows run slower than run on wine or within a virtual machine |
| 23:46.55 | as84 | anything to do with the IO speed? |
| 23:47.11 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.16 | autojack | oops |
| 23:47.16 | enouf | as84: which apps? |
| 23:47.28 | markybob | as84, go to some windows support channel and find out |
| 23:47.33 | markybob | this is #debian |
| 23:47.37 | as84 | autojack, what did i do wrong? |
| 23:47.51 | as84 | guys come on, I asked about a general linux question |
| 23:47.56 | as84 | did not mean to troll |
| 23:47.56 | as84 | easy |
| 23:48.10 | themill | as84: linux's memory management (particularly virtual memory) is better which can help some apps run better under wine than under windows. |
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| 23:48.39 | as84 | themill, yeah that could be one of the reasons |
| 23:48.54 | ix | I find it hilarious that this channel contains so many bots matching the W-word. Or the U-word, for that matter. |
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| 23:49.29 | asdzzxc | how can i find out how was PHP package configured for compilation ? |
| 23:49.37 | asdzzxc | so i can run the same configure script |
| 23:49.45 | Nazcafan | Having a fully functionnal debian on a macbook is no picnic |
| 23:49.49 | markybob | asdzzxc, download the source and look in debian/rules file |
| 23:49.54 | themill | asdzzxc: apt-get source php5 |
| 23:50.03 | ericoo | FLash Media Server runs on 32bit, will it run with my 64bit libs ? |
| 23:50.04 | nevyn | asdzzxc: pkgconfig should be able to tell you as well. |
| 23:50.07 | asdzzxc | ok, thnx |
| 23:50.21 | as84 | do apt puts the source automatically under /usr/src ? |
| 23:50.26 | shyam_k | hi if i have many programs installed in my computer,can i use these installations (particularly documentation stuffs)to install in another computer by some how pointing mine as another repo? |
| 23:50.27 | markybob | as84, no |
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| 23:51.15 | themill | as84: no, current directory. man apt-get |
| 23:51.18 | shyam_k | the both of same architecture.. |
| 23:51.33 | nevyn | shyam_k: copy /var/cache/apt/archives is the brute force mechinism |
| 23:51.56 | nevyn | shyam_k: using a caching script is the right answer |
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| 23:52.05 | shyam_k | nevyn: to the same path of the second and that will come in the list? |
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| 23:52.15 | startgame412 | Hi I want to mount my windows partion so I can make a music CD in Debain how do I mount my windows partition? I get the messgae saying Cannot mount volume. Unable to mount the volume. |
| 23:52.26 | shyam_k | nevyn: oh ok ill check.. |
| 23:52.36 | shyam_k | nevyn: thanks |
| 23:52.37 | nevyn | shyam_k: do you want to save data or make a replica system? |
| 23:52.52 | beardy | startgame412: Must have given a reason why is couldn't, tell us. |
| 23:52.56 | shyam_k | nevyn: the second system simply dont have a net connection |
| 23:53.08 | nevyn | shyam_k: that's going to be hard. |
| 23:53.23 | nevyn | shyam_k: have a look at apt-walkabout |
| 23:53.26 | themill | !apt-zip |
| 23:53.26 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline>. |
| 23:53.33 | beardy | startgame412: Please tell us the whole command you used when trying to mount it. |
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| 23:53.37 | enouf | shyam_k: could look at bootcd and system-imager pkgs |
| 23:53.53 | startgame412 | I just double clicked it in gnome |
| 23:53.58 | dirkson | Rather quickly, what provides libphp4.so ? |
| 23:54.01 | startgame412 | it shows up in window manager |
| 23:54.06 | startgame412 | but I cannot access it |
| 23:54.10 | nevyn | apt-zip requires you update the package list and then generate a list of stuff to wget right? |
| 23:54.11 | enouf | !aptitude clone |
| 23:54.11 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 23:55.21 | jaggz- | how can I get to bash's internal function-help without "man bash" and trying to find it? |
| 23:55.29 | fstab | i cant install xcompmgr? it says that its univaliable but is refered to by another package |
| 23:55.33 | as84 | how do you get involve in the debian project? |
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| 23:55.58 | enouf | dpkg: you can talk now |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 23:56.04 | jaggz- | as84, please don't. The last person who got involved made ssl stuff really insecure. |
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| 23:56.12 | markybob | as84, http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint |
| 23:56.32 | fstab | markyboby do you know what i need to install to get xcompmgr? |
| 23:56.34 | as84 | jaggz, you don't know me so don't judge me |
| 23:56.57 | shyam_k | nevyn: uh,it seems apt-walkabout is not in lenny repo too.. i am reading the online man |
| 23:57.01 | fstab | sorry i choped your name up *markybob |
| 23:57.25 | enouf | jaggz-: help <builtin> ? |
| 23:57.30 | shyam_k | enouf: but the second system already have a lenny installation of same arch..so i am looking to share apps between the two.. |
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| 23:58.37 | Bushmills | as84: i suppose that who gets involved with debian has had a look at the debian web site, and read how to get involved, as that's explained there. |
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| 23:58.43 | shyam_k | is that a good idea? |
| 23:58.46 | ericoo | can i use a 64bit library for a 32 bit application (64bit debian) |
| 23:58.50 | jaggz- | as84, do you have a good sense of humor? |
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| 23:59.03 | autojack | themill: sorry, I'm still having problems. how do I get the nvidia packages from sid? just manually download them from packages.debian.org? |
| 23:59.03 | enouf | shyam_k: not sure, you might want an apt-ftparchive ? |
| 23:59.10 | as84 | jaggz, actually i don't |
| 23:59.13 | autojack | themill: I'm not seeing any specific instructions for that. |
| 23:59.15 | as84 | ;) |
| 23:59.19 | enouf | shyam_k: create some sort of a local mirror? |
| 23:59.23 | dirkson | Guys, how do I figure out what package provides a certain file? |
| 23:59.26 | abrotman | jaggz-: stop ... not funny |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | !search |
| 23:59.33 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 23:59.59 | themill | autojack: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-816174f32ba98061bdd68615838ee453646721f1 |
