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| 00:00.11 | jaggz- | as84 :) |
| 00:00.30 | tesmar | anybody have experience with monit on a server? |
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| 00:00.39 | dirkson | abrotman: Nothing provides it. That's not good. |
| 00:00.54 | abrotman | dirkson: what ? |
| 00:01.04 | as84 | the dpkg bot was very implemented |
| 00:01.12 | as84 | btw |
| 00:01.13 | dirkson | abrotman: The file I need. Nothing provides it. libphp4.so |
| 00:01.17 | enouf | jaggz-: there's also man bash-builtins (but it's not much smaller) :-P |
| 00:01.22 | shyam_k | enouf: yes |
| 00:01.28 | startgame412 | how do I mount my windows drive in debain I just again this time in terminal bout got a message saying can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 00:01.33 | tesmar | is monit reliable? |
| 00:01.34 | abrotman | dirkson: to do what? |
| 00:01.49 | dirkson | abrotman: Make apache run php files again. It's stopped. |
| 00:02.13 | themill | dirkson: search harder; but it's not the answer to your question anyway. |
| 00:02.14 | jaggz- | help read is exactly what I was looking for.. thanks :) |
| 00:02.18 | abrotman | libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:02.25 | markybob | startgame412, which fs? |
| 00:02.33 | startgame412 | ntfs |
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| 00:02.46 | dirkson | abrotman: I <3 you. Seriously. |
| 00:02.51 | markybob | !tell startgame412 about ntfs-3g |
| 00:03.16 | dirkson | abrotman: However, fucksticks. |
| 00:03.37 | spigot | any ideas what would cause this?: http://paste.debian.net/3094/ |
| 00:03.46 | spigot | checked google with no luck. weirdness. |
| 00:04.21 | fstab | okay guys i give up i did apt-cache search xcompmgr and it pulls up libcm7 and libcm7-dev. These are libraries i need xcompmgr for translucency with fluxbox unless there is a better way. I use to use fluxbox awhile ago but things could be diffrent. |
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| 00:04.54 | adr3nalin3 | hey guys I am using debian etch and I am having some trouble trying to install kvpnc, I am using apt-get from the etch repo and it appears that I am missing kernel crypto modules, b/c I am getting errors such as: FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_6_686/kernel/crypto/des.ko not found what can I do to remedy this? thanks |
| 00:04.55 | thedonvaughn | spigot: std::bad_alloc is an exception that gets thrown by 'new' when it can't |
| 00:04.56 | thedonvaughn | allocate the memory you requested. |
| 00:04.56 | as84 | (12:04:18 AM) as84: fart |
| 00:04.56 | as84 | (12:04:20 AM) ***dpkg farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 00:05.04 | as84 | this is hillarious |
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| 00:05.24 | spigot | never mind. stupid VPS didn't have swap enabled. durr. |
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| 00:05.39 | thedonvaughn | spigot: so uhm, system running out of ram? some program/service bad memory leak? something about your ram/swap is bad. |
| 00:05.42 | thedonvaughn | spigot: ah there ya go :) |
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| 00:05.52 | as84 | spigot> you can't have swap on OpenVZ |
| 00:05.58 | as84 | doesn't use one |
| 00:06.05 | thedonvaughn | as84: what if it's not openvz? |
| 00:06.16 | as84 | look up on the ubc parameters |
| 00:06.24 | as84 | and you will see where you hitting on limits |
| 00:06.26 | tesmar | anybody on monit? |
| 00:06.36 | as84 | thedonvaughn: taking my chances ;) |
| 00:06.44 | thedonvaughn | as84: heh |
| 00:07.07 | dirkson | abrotman: I've utterly taken down a live server. Thankfully not very live. I'm trying to get it back up before the boss notices. |
| 00:08.12 | enouf | adr3nalin3: do modprobe -l | grep crypto/des.ko |
| 00:08.21 | enouf | adr3nalin3: do /sbin/modprobe -l | grep crypto/des.ko |
| 00:08.22 | ericoo | is the source list of apt-get same for 32 & 64 bit ? |
| 00:08.38 | enouf | yes |
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| 00:09.20 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: output: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/crypto/des.ko |
| 00:09.22 | themill | dirkson: when you say it's not serving pages, what is it doing? giving you the php source? |
| 00:09.22 | enouf | uname -m |
| 00:09.52 | grendal_prime | ya it says it installs but ...i dont see anything different |
| 00:09.56 | Baloo | Is there a way to synchronize a palm with kontact if kontact is getting it's data from a groupware server? |
| 00:10.00 | dirkson | themill: It was doing that for a while. Now, the CONTROL PANEL FROM HELL has taken over every single virtualhost. I am attempted to wrest the lives ones from its grasp |
| 00:10.04 | enouf | adr3nalin3: pastebin entire command and error |
| 00:10.08 | grendal_prime | and the xorg.conf it says its creating...does not get created |
| 00:10.25 | themill | dirkson: ahh... good luck with that... |
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| 00:10.40 | dirkson | themill: Hehehehehehe ^^;;;;; |
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| 00:11.16 | fstab | ill be back im going to the debian site to look for the packages and see wheres xcompmgr at |
| 00:11.25 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: I will and I where I said kvpnc, I meant racoon. |
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| 00:11.53 | enouf | still no idea :-P |
| 00:12.42 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m4a65201f |
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| 00:13.12 | ericoo | help, i got missing library, the flash server does not see : http://pastebin.com/m5ed089a9 |
| 00:14.00 | enouf | adr3nalin3: what's this? 14. Loading IPSEC/crypto modules... |
| 00:14.13 | autojack | sweet mother of crap, FINALLY. |
| 00:14.18 | autojack | I spent all day screwing with that. |
| 00:14.23 | autojack | thanks themill, etc. |
| 00:14.31 | autojack | I'm not usually this dense with Debian. |
| 00:15.02 | themill | !congratulate autojack |
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| 00:15.02 | dpkg | Woohoo autojack, you did it! |
| 00:15.12 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: I was thinking that was provided by ipsec-tools which is installed |
| 00:15.29 | startgame412 | thank you i was able to mount my windows partition |
| 00:15.55 | enouf | [dpkg] racoon: (IPsec IKE keying daemon), section net, is extra. Version: 1:0.6.6-3.1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 322 kB, Installed size: 872 kB |
| 00:16.19 | enouf | adr3nalin3: is the pkg installation working? all components? |
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| 00:16.57 | enouf | adr3nalin3: dpkg -l racoon | tail -n 1 |
| 00:17.16 | jaggz- | so this weakness wasn't really known by most in the hacker community for a while was it? |
| 00:17.27 | jaggz- | I mean.. what are your thoughts on that |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | jaggz-: stop |
| 00:17.52 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: ii racoon 0.6.6-3.1etch1 IPsec IKE keying daemon |
| 00:18.13 | enouf | seems it's installed ok - maybe check BTS adr3nalin3 |
| 00:18.41 | adr3nalin3 | ok thanks |
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| 00:20.34 | jaggz- | abrotman, what's wrong? |
| 00:20.38 | enouf | adr3nalin3: where'd IPSec come from? |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | jaggz-: this is not the p[lace for that |
| 00:21.02 | jaggz- | oh.. where is the place for it? |
| 00:21.09 | jaggz- | we talked about it for hours on end in here last night |
| 00:21.09 | enouf | adr3nalin3: i mean i see you said ipsec-tools .. from Debian Etch mirrors? |
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| 00:21.19 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: yes |
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| 00:21.23 | monokrome | hey |
| 00:21.26 | themill | jaggz-: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:21.27 | monokrome | anyone ever seen this before: |
| 00:21.43 | enouf | adr3nalin3: dpkg -l ipsec-tools | tail -n 1 |
| 00:21.52 | monokrome | HARDWARE ERROR, CUP 0: Machine Check Exception: 4 Bank 0: b60.... |
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| 00:22.07 | monokrome | This is not a software problem! Kernel panic - not syncing: Machine check |
| 00:22.13 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: when I removed ipsec-tools it removed racoon as well? |
| 00:22.21 | fstab | how do i install xcompmgr i dont see it in any of the packages for stable unstable testing nore oldstable. Does debian use anothr method of xcompmgr? |
| 00:22.22 | enouf | adr3nalin3: and is this happening on every pkg you install? orr .. oh? |
| 00:22.29 | jaggz- | there's noone there... and this affects all debian people.. and it's an important issue which affected my system and I need the input to get a better understanding of what possibly happened to our systems |
| 00:22.31 | enouf | removed? |
| 00:22.35 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: no not at all |
| 00:22.50 | enouf | adr3nalin3: dpkg -l ipsec-tools | tail -n 1 |
| 00:22.55 | jaggz- | I think it's VERY on topic and appropriate and should not be stiffled (and I'm not joking or being stubborn) |
| 00:23.16 | enouf | !noone jaggz- |
| 00:23.18 | themill | jaggz-: this is not the right forum. Background information is on the wiki and a lot of other places. This is a support channel not a channel for introspection. |
| 00:23.19 | enouf | !noone |
| 00:23.19 | dpkg | me thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also; ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do. |
| 00:23.24 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: ii ipsec-tools 0.6.6-3.1etch1 IPsec tools for Linux |
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| 00:24.00 | bitweiler | hey does debian have an executable heap? |
| 00:24.05 | monokrome | ... |
| 00:24.35 | jaggz- | I am NOT being philosophical |
| 00:24.49 | mooperd | Hi Im looking to configure a firewall based on some variables that will be matched to the incoming IP. Can anyone give me advice about how to go about this? I want to be able to switch on/off services for people depending on their logged in/out status and subscription level. |
| 00:25.40 | enouf | adr3nalin3: ahh ha! ipsec-tools dpends on libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1) |
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| 00:25.53 | enouf | adr3nalin3: have you fixed this/your openssl yet? |
| 00:26.10 | enouf | same for racoon |
| 00:26.22 | neoark | i installed firefox but i don't see icon for it on gdm do i have to add it manually ? |
| 00:26.40 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: I do have that version of libssl installed |
| 00:26.51 | themill | neoark: just install iceweasel instead? |
| 00:27.00 | enouf | adr3nalin3: apt-get update ; apt-get -u openssl libssl0.9.8 |
| 00:27.05 | enouf | gah |
| 00:27.10 | enouf | adr3nalin3: apt-get update ; apt-get -u install openssl libssl0.9.8 |
| 00:27.48 | enouf | adr3nalin3: and for your viewing pleasure, /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 00:29.00 | bitweiler | so i guess debian doesn't have an executable heap that sucks big time |
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| 00:30.17 | adr3nalin3 | enouf: I heard about that unfortunate news. Still getting errors very weird. Time to take a dinner break. thank you for your help! |
| 00:30.20 | JordiGH | For libraries that provide a -dbg package, does that mean I should be able to step into the library's source code with gdb? What does -dbg mean? |
| 00:30.39 | neoark | i am running under vmware and at boot i am getting Error: cannot mount filesystem: Protocol Error |
| 00:30.48 | neoark | and ony have clue what the error is about |
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| 00:31.51 | dendrite | bitweiler: Why is that a problem? And, did you test for an executable heap? |
| 00:32.19 | dendrite | bitweiler: And if I understand your question, that's more of a Linux question than a Debian one... |
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| 00:32.54 | JordiGH | gdb sez: "gsl_matrix_calloc (n1=1, n2=1) at init_source.c:67 67init_source.c: No such file or directory." |
| 00:33.06 | ericoo | how do i install /lib/ld-linux.so.2 ? |
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| 00:33.24 | JordiGH | What does this mean? Do I also need to download the source package in order to see it? How do I tell gdb where to find that source? |
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| 00:34.00 | wiledmin` | I just installed xdm. How can I tell it to run my user's .xinitrc when they log in? It seems to be defaulting to another wm. |
| 00:35.16 | fstab | please anyone know anything about xcompmgr? and how might i go about installing it. |
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| 00:35.37 | wiledmin` | I think I found it, ty. |
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| 00:36.44 | BlueG | I am getting a maximum screen resolution of 800x600, but I suspect my hardware is capable of more. It seems in the past I actually edited a config file to make it allow a higher resolution and got it to work. Can something like this be done, and how would I do this? |
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| 00:37.54 | fstab | no one knows about xcompmgr |
| 00:38.58 | fstab | this is retarded, i cant believe it honestly. |
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| 00:40.14 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
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| 00:40.59 | markybob | it's in experimental. too bad for him he got impatient and left :P |
| 00:41.21 | netdaemon | haha |
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| 00:42.10 | ericoo | debian users on 64bit can you tell me where do you have ld-linux.so.2 please |
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| 00:42.54 | markybob | ericoo, apt-file search ld-linux.so.2 /lib and /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
| 00:43.17 | ericoo | ok thanks |
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| 00:43.28 | ericoo | and do you have ld-2.7.so N |
| 00:43.32 | ericoo | ld-2.7.so ? |
| 00:44.00 | markybob | yes. same places |
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| 00:45.03 | ericoo | damn, i dont have theses files ! |
| 00:45.10 | JordiGH | That's odd... why is python-doc in contrib? |
| 00:45.42 | BubbaT | Is there something like "more" that will read a gzipped file without me having to ungzip it? |
| 00:45.46 | markybob | ericoo, then your question should have been which package are they in. libc6-i386 |
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| 00:46.09 | mbroeker | BubbaT, try zless |
| 00:46.12 | JordiGH | Are there GFDLed Python docs? |
| 00:46.32 | bitweiler | is there a tool to burn an iso image from cmd-line |
| 00:46.38 | BubbaT | mbroeker, thanks |
| 00:46.41 | ericoo | ok |
| 00:46.42 | ericoo | libc |
| 00:47.14 | phenom_ | anyone notice a different speed between debian and ubuntu on the same machine ? |
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| 00:47.51 | JordiGH | phenom_: With Debian being faster? ;-) |
| 00:48.07 | marinosi | hello..if someone do ssh host "ls" is this connection logged anywhere?I know that it is not logged in auth.log |
| 00:48.08 | phenom_ | JordiGH, either way :-P |
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| 00:48.29 | JordiGH | phenom_: I would be very surprised if there was a noticeable difference. You seeing one? |
| 00:48.33 | ericoo | ok cool now i got it ! |
| 00:48.42 | ericoo | i was confused by ia32-libs, thanks man |
| 00:49.00 | phenom_ | JordiGH, i notice my previous debian booted a bit quicker |
| 00:49.04 | bitweiler | so there is no cmd-line tool to burn iso images |
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| 00:49.28 | markybob | bitweiler, google. it's pretty easy |
| 00:49.36 | phenom_ | JordiGH, I wanted to know if it was possible to install xfce instead of gnome with debian ? |
| 00:49.37 | JordiGH | phenom_: Hm, boot times may be different due to the modules that load by default. You could always compile a custom kernel if you want to weed out the unnecessary kernel modules. |
| 00:50.22 | JordiGH | phenom_: You mean from a base install? You can install Debian without a desktop environment and later install xfce. I'm not sure if there's an xfce installer, but there is a KDE installer. |
| 00:51.02 | phenom_ | kool, thnx! |
| 00:53.21 | bitweiler | markybob: I have been googling for about an half-hour only get kde or gnome tools that why I asked |
| 00:53.38 | itomato | wodim and cdrecord |
| 00:53.40 | markybob | bitweiler, http://www.cdrkit.org/ |
| 00:53.54 | itomato | there's an ncurses interface, too - iirc |
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| 00:54.59 | JordiGH | phenom_: Oh, there is an xfce installer. Here's one for lenny i386: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:55.15 | JordiGH | Way at the bottom. |
| 00:55.39 | phenom_ | JordiGH, what's the diff between etch, sid, lenny etc? |
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| 00:56.14 | DoppelGanger | phenom_: www.debian.org |
| 00:56.22 | xuser | is it normal that one user can see the contents of other user home dir? |
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| 00:56.29 | xuser | is that the default? |
| 00:56.34 | phenom_ | what's the main reason people use debian vs ubuntu ? |
| 00:56.47 | DoppelGanger | phenom_: www.google.com |
| 00:56.56 | markybob | phenom_, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:57.05 | itomato | phenom_: for me, it's less crap installed by default and the use of sysvinit |
| 00:57.06 | JordiGH | phenom_: etch is currently the stable but old distribution... sid is always the new and unstable distribution, where things may break, but in practice they don't break too badly usually. Lenny is currently the testing distribution, the ongoing candidate to become the next stable distribution, and somewhere between stable and unstable. |
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| 00:57.35 | JordiGH | phenom_: I kinda like the Debian community better, and I also like that unlike Ubuntu, Debian stable *really* is stable. |
| 00:58.30 | phenom_ | JordiGH, I have some pretty new hardware, should I just sid ? since it's faily stable ? |
| 00:58.34 | itomato | it's easier to do a netinstall or business card, and apt-get what I need as I need it, rather than have a whole bunch of junk I don't like taking up space and resources. |
| 00:58.39 | phenom_ | for non-server business |
| 00:58.56 | JordiGH | phenom_: How new? Like, bought this year? |
| 00:58.57 | markybob | phenom_, no. newbies should *never* use sid |
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| 00:59.22 | markybob | phenom_, you can use lenny or etch with new kernels with you need more hardware support |
| 00:59.25 | phenom_ | JordiGH, built this year, yes ... 880gts, quad core, etc |
| 00:59.27 | JordiGH | phenom_: And how much of a newbie are you? If you lose X, will you be able to comfortably figure out how to get it back while the DDs weed out the bugs? |
| 00:59.34 | JordiGH | (for example) |
| 00:59.34 | itomato | markybob - I would disagree - some things newbies like - like eyecandy - aren't in etch. |
| 00:59.40 | JordiGH | Are you willing to tolerate possible data loss? |
| 00:59.57 | phenom_ | no data loss :-( |
| 01:00.32 | itomato | I have never experienced data loss in 6 years of sid usage.. |
| 01:00.40 | JordiGH | phenom_: I say you try etch first... If you have hardware problems, see if you can get a backported kernel. |
| 01:00.44 | marinosi | if someone do ssh host "ls" , is there any place in logs I can see that? |
| 01:00.46 | phenom_ | markybob, I can use etch with the newest kernels ? |
| 01:00.46 | JordiGH | itomato: But some people have. |
| 01:00.56 | xuser | phenom_: use ubuntu |
| 01:00.57 | markybob | phenom_, yes. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 01:01.05 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 01:01.06 | itomato | i have also installed etch, and switched to experimental and ubuntu apt sources |
| 01:01.06 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 01:01.25 | itomato | "I" haven't - not "nobody" has.. |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | markybob: there is an etchnhalf installer also |
| 01:01.47 | JordiGH | itomato: Right, but it's easy to lose track of that qualification. |
| 01:02.05 | ehird | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 01:02.06 | itomato | if you say so.. |
| 01:02.08 | ehird | when mounting an ntfs partition |
| 01:02.09 | ehird | :| |
| 01:02.31 | phenom_ | i installed debian earlier and had problems with the virtual terminals, tty3-5 |
| 01:02.40 | phenom_ | it would blank screen, unable to return :-P |
| 01:03.00 | JordiGH | itomato: I am not saying you do, but a lot of people recommend sid to newbies without reservation. I have a lot of reservations about that. ;-) |
| 01:03.22 | itomato | eh, they'll install it - play with it, then install something else in a few weeks.. |
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| 01:03.56 | itomato | no big deal, and if a newbie is installing sid for a production situation, they deserve what they get :) |
| 01:04.01 | JordiGH | Looks like Linux 2.6.22 is backported to etch. That should be new enough for your hardware in case the stock etch kernel (2.6.18 or so, I think) doesn't work for you, phenom_ |
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| 01:04.20 | ehird | i'd really like to mount this you see |
| 01:04.29 | itomato | I personally looked up last year to find that I had been running unstable at work for 8-9 months - no problems whatsoever :) |
| 01:04.36 | JordiGH | phenom_: I've had that problem too with some old graphics cards. I haven't experienced it recently. |
| 01:04.51 | xuser | itomato: you didn't update in nine months heh |
| 01:05.11 | itomato | phenom_: try booting with "vga=ask" appended to your 'kernel' line from grub command line |
| 01:05.47 | jitendra | how dpkg compare version |
| 01:05.51 | itomato | xuser - sure, two or three times, but I didn't think about it until I scrutinized my sources.list - it was awesome.. |
| 01:06.03 | JordiGH | jitendra: What do you mean? |
| 01:06.07 | jitendra | please help |
| 01:06.19 | itomato | my neighbor fought and fought with gentoo and sabayon for three weeks, otoh! |
| 01:06.48 | xuser | itomato: 2/3 times is nothing for nine months |
| 01:06.50 | jitendra | JordiGH: i mean if two versions of a package are available, dpkg must be comparing them to see which one is newer. |
| 01:06.54 | jitendra | how is this done |
| 01:07.10 | JordiGH | if (a > b) then... |
| 01:07.19 | jitendra | because there is no rigid convention for package versioning |
| 01:07.24 | JordiGH | jitendra: Well, for most version numbers this is clear. |
| 01:07.26 | nevyn | there is in debian |
| 01:07.29 | JordiGH | There is a convention. |
| 01:07.36 | itomato | jitendra - the currently available package in the corresponding branch i.e., stable vs. unstable is given priority |
| 01:07.37 | asg | jitendra: check the developer's reference |
| 01:07.49 | nevyn | there's a rigid standard for how packages are versioned |
| 01:07.50 | itomato | it happens at the head-end |
| 01:08.17 | itomato | xuser - it is if it's your workstation. |
| 01:08.41 | itomato | security updates are another thing.. |
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| 01:08.50 | startgame412 | Hi I cannot start forstwire I get the following mssage when trying to start frostwire Starting FrostWire... |
| 01:08.50 | startgame412 | Java exec found in PATH. Verifying... |
| 01:08.50 | startgame412 | OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. FrostWire works best with Sun JRE available at http://www.java.com |
| 01:08.50 | startgame412 | OOPS, unable to locate java exec in /usr/lib/ hierarchy |
| 01:08.50 | startgame412 | You need to upgrade to JRE 1.5.x or newer from http://www.java.com |
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| 01:09.03 | xuser | you practically update your whole install those 2/3 times |
| 01:09.14 | xuser | s/update/updated |
| 01:09.15 | jitendra | is there a way to identify if a package version is compatible to a particular distro version |
| 01:09.17 | jitendra | ? |
| 01:09.18 | JordiGH | It's package_version-debian-revision for most cases. Sometimes it's just a date if the package doesn't have an upstream version. For some metapackages like kde, there is another version number at the beginning that I don't know what it is. |
| 01:09.44 | asg | jitendra: what are you trying to do ... really |
| 01:09.46 | abrotman | !tell startgame412 about install java |
| 01:09.54 | itomato | xuser - not dist-upgrade, just packages. |
| 01:10.10 | jitendra | guys i am trying to make an offline package upgrading |
| 01:10.32 | jitendra | it works if the distro versions are same but creates some problem with different distro versions |
| 01:10.56 | asg | jitendra: of course, you can't just job a package from distro/version a onto distro/version b |
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| 01:11.07 | jitendra | so i need to identify what package version is compatible with a particular version of distro |
| 01:11.17 | asg | jitendra: packages.debian.org |
| 01:11.51 | itomato | jitendra, there will be package dependency issues which will generate version messages. Those versions, if available in your branch, will be available. Otherwise, not. |
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| 01:12.18 | asg | abrotman: is it too late for a bloody mary? |
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| 01:12.28 | jitendra | i know but i am caching all the packages. |
| 01:12.35 | jitendra | so how i identify the branch now |
| 01:12.35 | itomato | claims that it's 5:30 somewhere |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | for me it is |
| 01:12.51 | abrotman | asg: not for ypu thpugh |
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| 01:13.24 | asg | jitendra: packages.debian.org |
| 01:13.47 | jitendra | asg thanks i will go through |
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| 01:14.37 | Sebboh | Hi. I've done a base install of debian in a logical volume. Now I want to make copies of it whenever I want to deploy a new virtual machine.. I've read a little about using lvm snapshots to clone drives.. But, after I make a snapshot, will it continue to be linked to the original? I want an independent copy that I can modify, etc. ? |
| 01:14.39 | asg | abrotman: how are you holding up? |
| 01:15.02 | abrotman | ow! |
| 01:15.15 | asg | abrotman: motrin and beer, motrin and beer |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | i just tried to catch the cold compress with the busted side |
| 01:15.30 | asg | doh |
| 01:16.05 | asg | Sebboh: read the LVM-HOWTO |
| 01:16.14 | itomato | yeah - or install SystemImager |
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| 01:16.41 | itomato | notices the "virtual" and says "nevermind" |
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| 01:19.57 | JordiGH | Wow, d-user gets highly offtopic. I think I like that. :-) |
| 01:20.38 | asg | gives JordiGH his meds |
| 01:21.02 | JordiGH | Am I insane for liking offtopicness? |
| 01:21.26 | asg | no, just in the wrong place |
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| 01:22.09 | Gnurdux | Is anybody else having trouble accessing gmail at the moment? I'm getting like 60% packet loss when I ping it and I can't connect in a browser. |
| 01:22.15 | JordiGH | I'm just waiting to get called on being offtopic, but in a 80-message thread, nobody has called me on offtopicness yet. |
| 01:22.41 | asg | Gnurdux: nope, must be you |
| 01:22.56 | Gnurdux | maybe my isp |
| 01:22.58 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Which ip? 64.233.171.83 pongs nicely here. |
| 01:23.00 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: I don't use Gmail, but I do get packet loss when pinging it just now |
| 01:23.10 | JordiGH | got 14% packet loss. |
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| 01:23.27 | Gnurdux | 209.85.133.19 |
| 01:23.32 | Gnurdux | its mail.google.com |
| 01:23.32 | Wyzard | 209.85.159.19, 53 packets transmitted, 17 received, 67% packet loss |
| 01:23.41 | Gnurdux | thats about what im getting |
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| 01:24.00 | asg | Gnurdux: 0% packet loss here |
| 01:24.15 | JordiGH | 11% packet loss here, but that could just be the bittorrenting I'm doing. ;-) |
| 01:24.47 | Bushmills | 0 % loss here |
| 01:24.50 | Wyzard | hmm, I'm seeding torrents too (Fedora 9) but I have it capped so I have spare bandwidth, so that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 01:25.21 | Bushmills | 100 packets now |
| 01:25.33 | Wyzard | FWIW, I'm on Verizon FiOS, east-coast USA |
| 01:25.35 | JordiGH | Bushmills: Wow, what pingtimes are you getting? |
| 01:25.59 | asg | JordiGH: PING 209.85.133.19 (209.85.133.19) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:25.59 | asg | 64 bytes from 209.85.133.19: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=24.8 ms |
| 01:26.02 | Bushmills | JordiGH: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1210901145168211826.png |
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| 01:26.41 | Bushmills | ireland here |
| 01:26.50 | asg | Bushmills: that's because you rock |
| 01:26.54 | JordiGH | 24.8 ms. I gotta get to a wired country. |
| 01:27.11 | asg | JordiGH: I'm east coast USA same as Wyzard (different ISP though) |
| 01:27.46 | JordiGH | I understand that everyone in Finland is born with an IPv6 address assigned at birth. Or something. I need an explanation for how such a small country manages to put so many people online. |
| 01:28.04 | JordiGH | Here in Slimland, we just grin and bend over. |
| 01:28.14 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Only one? :-) |
| 01:28.15 | asg | JordiGH: they aren't attacking other places every 10 years |
| 01:28.19 | Wyzard | They should get at least a whole /48 |
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| 01:31.54 | Samonoske | Can someone please give me an answer to this http://unixadmintalk.com/f11/mydns-mysql-installation-problem-110508/ |
| 01:31.59 | Samonoske | but post here |
| 01:32.37 | cpare | is anyone aware of troubles with having multiple NICS of the same kind in a server (I have 3 for a router) |
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| 01:34.12 | cpare | anyone? |
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| 01:35.17 | asg | cpare: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 01:37.42 | asg | Samonoske: /msg dpkg i forgot mysql root password |
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| 01:38.17 | phenom_ | how would I update to the 2.6.22 kernel from the stock kernel in etch ? |
| 01:38.20 | itomato | cpare: no |
| 01:38.23 | Samonoske | asg i know my root password..but the mydns program had an option for a separtate password |
| 01:38.32 | Samonoske | my root sql password i know it |
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| 01:38.33 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 01:38.33 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 01:39.18 | asg | Samonoske: then purge the packages and reinstall (you may need to add 'exit 0' to the relevant /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.* files to get the install to complete before doing so) |
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| 01:40.20 | Samonoske | asg linux n00b.. can you break that down a little bit more for me plz :) |
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| 01:41.16 | itomato | Samonoske: try the mydns support resources. |
| 01:41.32 | itomato | seems to have little to do with this channel.. |
| 01:41.42 | Samonoske | itomato i can't find any..google is not being to reliable for this subject manner either. |
| 01:41.49 | asg | Samonoske: add 'exit 0' to the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mydns-mysql.postinst. Run 'apt-get -f install'. Then 'apt-get remove --purge mydns-mysql'. Then install it and type the correct password. |
| 01:42.04 | itomato | i suggest trying a 'mydns' irc channel |
| 01:42.12 | Samonoske | itomato let me know if you find one. |
| 01:42.19 | Samonoske | asg thank you so much.. holdon i will try now |
| 01:43.39 | Sebboh | I've always wondered, does dd pick a smart blocksize if you don't specify one? ie, does it notice when I'm moving gigs and use a large blocksize? Also, what blocksize should I use to copy 5g from one block device to another? |
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| 01:44.21 | asg | Samonoske: a) it doesn't b) 8192 is probably your best bet for large transfers. c) YMMV |
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| 01:44.46 | Samonoske | asg what??? |
| 01:44.57 | Sebboh | Samonoske, sorry, that was directed at me. |
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| 01:44.59 | Sebboh | thanks asg. |
| 01:45.16 | Sebboh | 8192.. bytes? |
| 01:45.23 | asg | Samonoske: sorry, meant Sebboh |
| 01:45.28 | Samonoske | ahh okay |
| 01:45.29 | Samonoske | lol |
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| 01:47.24 | asg | Sebboh: it depends on various buffer sizes, your kernel, and so forth. It's hard to say what is optimal for your system right now without benchmarking but that would take more time than just transfering the data. |
| 01:47.30 | rahul | actually, 16384 might be better |
| 01:47.40 | Sebboh | .. bytes, though. right? |
| 01:47.43 | rahul | because the usual IDE read-ahead is 32 blocks, no? |
| 01:48.03 | asg | Sebboh: yes |
| 01:48.07 | Sebboh | :) |
| 01:48.21 | rahul | 1 megabyte probably won't hurt, even |
| 01:48.32 | asg | rahul: no, probably not |
| 01:48.46 | rahul | it's also easier to type :) |
| 01:49.00 | M4gnus | Hello everyone, anyone have successfully installed nvidia video card drivers with Lenny? |
| 01:49.18 | rahul | (bs=1M) |
| 01:49.27 | asg | Sebboh: the best bet is to start the job, with defaults, and go to the pub for a few hours. All the semantic crap goes away and you have a good time regardless. |
| 01:49.47 | rahul | asg: heh, amen! |
| 01:50.10 | asg | rahul: ;) |
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| 01:50.15 | flotishtu | how to auto configure dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq .(no need to press enter or yes/no again and again) just one command. ? |
| 01:50.43 | phenom_ | abrotman, i know backports, but how would I actually install it ? |
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| 01:50.52 | M4gnus | May someone help me please? |
| 01:50.56 | rahul | flotishtu: uh, you expect it to guess everything correctly? |
| 01:51.04 | Nyle | ]/msg dsa 1571 |
| 01:51.06 | Samonoske | asg how long does the purging process take? |
| 01:51.08 | Samonoske | Purging configuration files for mydns-mysql ... |
| 01:51.09 | Nyle | oops |
| 01:51.10 | Sebboh | yeah I've done 1M plenty of times, knowing that it was bigger than the buffers but that they would be fine.. (I even thought that maybe filling the buffers was better than leaving them half full..) |
| 01:51.18 | Samonoske | it did that now it hasn't gone back to the bash |
| 01:51.19 | Nyle | rahul, luhar |
| 01:51.29 | Nyle | im drukn |
| 01:51.37 | asg | Samonoske: shouldn't take too long. |
| 01:51.43 | rahul | heh |
| 01:51.45 | rahul | good work |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | phenom_: instructions at the site |
| 01:52.05 | Nyle | rahul, hah, I read topic and tried to /msg dsa ... |
| 01:52.11 | Sebboh | 5368709120 bytes (5.4 GB) copied, 175.082 seconds, 30.7 MB/s <-- bs=16384, single sata 500g disk, one lv to another. |
| 01:52.38 | asg | abrotman: o single handed one, please help Samonoske ask I have to go due to rather-soonly battery failure. love asg. |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:53.06 | Samonoske | thanks asg as much as he can for getting him thus far.. |
| 01:53.06 | Sebboh | I'm making a few others, too, so I'll try other values for fun to benchmark! :) |
| 01:53.14 | Samonoske | that's like the best help i've gotten on that topic |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | dpkg: charge asg |
| 01:53.21 | dpkg | abrotman: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:53.30 | Samonoske | someone suggested uninstalling my whole mysql database |
| 01:53.48 | Nyle | what? |
| 01:54.05 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:54.12 | Nyle | crackhead... |
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| 01:54.29 | Ricoshady | how do I know what runlevel im in? |
| 01:54.30 | flotishtu | rahul it should hold all settings despite reboots |
| 01:54.39 | rahul | flotishtu: what does that mean? |
| 01:55.13 | rahul | flotishtu: everything with ipmasq is autodetected |
| 01:55.27 | rahul | it looks at routing tables, etc to figure out what masq rules to apply |
| 01:55.40 | flotishtu | rahul no. |
| 01:55.50 | rahul | flotishtu: yes |
| 01:55.54 | Nyle | rahul, I got a 22 inch hd lcd, thought I now have a dead pixel gonna bring it back and get a 24". Took me a few days to figure out (when someone mentioend I had to manually specify freq. in xorg.conf) how to get it working optimally in debian |
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| 01:56.04 | Nyle | though*' |
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| 01:56.30 | rahul | Nyle: I don't have to |
| 01:56.32 | Nyle | 24" will kick ass, two of em side by side ;) |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | msg him |
| 01:57.04 | rahul | well, I do have: HorizSync 30-83 VertRefresh 56-75 |
| 01:57.11 | Nyle | see... |
| 01:57.17 | rahul | dunno if that counts as "manual" |
| 01:57.31 | Nyle | did you have to specify them or did dpkg-reconfigure did it? |
| 01:57.41 | rahul | oh, I don't use the debconf generation |
| 01:57.47 | Nyle | cuz mine would not get manually added (unless you select advanced) |
| 01:57.57 | Samonoske | abrotman i used apt-get remove --purge mysql-mydns and then it said purging files but it still hasn't returned to the bash should i used ctrl+z or wait? |
| 01:58.02 | Nyle | I don't either, I have an xorg.conf i made a long time ago for crt, i just modified it |
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| 01:58.12 | abrotman | Samonoske: wait |
| 01:58.53 | Nyle | hmm sucks about ssl |
| 01:58.53 | Samonoske | okay abrotman |
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| 01:59.27 | rahul | all this stuff COULD be detected when the X server starts up. I don't know why this stuff randomly breaks from version to version |
| 01:59.48 | Nyle | rahul, /me points to gravity |
| 01:59.54 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:59.55 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:00.29 | rking | you know what would be a great .pdf reader feature? the ability to delineate the columns (usually 2 or 3), and then have the thing re-rendered straight down (column after column instead of page after page, which forces lots of reverse scrolling) |
| 02:00.29 | Nyle | though my lcd has an option to turn edid thingy majigy off |
| 02:00.58 | rahul | strange |
| 02:01.14 | Nyle | you have a dell, dell sucks anyway |
| 02:01.19 | Supaplex | rking: they call it re-flowing. popular amongst portable pdf conversion (for rendering on a palmtop or similar) |
| 02:01.21 | Nyle | i got a hannsg, and im cooler and you suck. |
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| 02:01.24 | rahul | rking: you know what would be a great feature? people not generating pdf files for things that are meant to be read on screen |
| 02:01.41 | Nyle | rahul, amen to that |
| 02:01.42 | enouf | rahul: heh, i was helping flotishtu in another channel (##linux), he's using ubuntu (and upstart, iinm) .. |
| 02:01.58 | Nyle | enouf, you're helping a ubuntu user? |
| 02:02.06 | rahul | enouf: no wonder. |
| 02:02.12 | enouf | rahul: i told him countless times --> see #ubuntu |
| 02:02.13 | Nyle | how much crack did you smoke today ;) |
| 02:02.25 | enouf | where does he go? ... wait for it ... yep .. ;-) |
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| 02:02.29 | rking | rahul: what things are "meant" to be read on screen and what things are not? isn't information more abstract than that, and shouldn't it be possible to come up with ways to overcome the limitations of both paper and screen? |
| 02:02.32 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:02.40 | Supaplex | there's nothing wrong with a non-debian distro, provided they seek support where they belong. |
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| 02:02.50 | rking | Supaplex: good keyword there (reflowing)... that'll help me in my search |
| 02:03.25 | rahul | rking: yes. and PDF is the opposite of a format that supports that. |
| 02:03.35 | Nyle | rahul, elaborate... |
| 02:03.37 | rahul | rking: PDF is for paper. |
| 02:03.49 | Nyle | you're a bit vague |
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| 02:04.08 | rahul | well, PDF supports the "paper" side of things. but that only. |
| 02:04.21 | rahul | it's in no way a format for both paper and screen. |
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| 02:04.44 | rahul | it's about as bad as you can get for trying to support both. HTML is better, even. |
| 02:04.52 | Nyle | xhtml... |
| 02:04.55 | rking | rahul: why? just because it doesn't support variable container sizes? it's better at allowing the designer to say "this is what i want" and then sticking to it than HTML |
| 02:05.15 | rking | rahul: i think it's just that pdf readers are not smart enough yet |
| 02:05.17 | Nyle | hey dudes |
| 02:05.22 | Nyle | discuss pdf elsewhere... |
| 02:05.33 | Nyle | this is boring |
| 02:05.39 | enouf | pdfs are extremely bloated |
| 02:05.43 | Nyle | talk about debian or something |
| 02:05.46 | enouf | ok ;-) |
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| 02:06.04 | rahul | rking: uh, fixed-coordinate-based layout has nothing to do with supporting on-screen layout |
| 02:06.16 | rahul | rking: HTML supports both (with CSS) |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | xml/xsl-fo |
| 02:06.24 | rahul | of course, DefDoc is the best of all worlds :) |
| 02:06.27 | rahul | heh |
| 02:07.03 | enouf | how's this; http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=564242847 "A hearing was held on plastic additives such as phthalates and bisphenol-A (BPA) in consumer products, focusing on the health implications of such chemicals and their alternatives, and federal government assessments of their toxicity." <---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A --> CCCP says; "We make them Babies suck on PVC crack plas |
| 02:07.04 | Nyle | I noticed a lack of balls at the etch release party |
| 02:07.09 | Nyle | rahul, you feel me |
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| 02:07.40 | enouf | oops, totally OT, but wtf, Nyle can do it, so can i :-P |
| 02:07.41 | Nyle | (anything to get off pdf ffs) |
| 02:07.48 | Nyle | enouf, don't get me in trouble |
| 02:07.49 | Nyle | wtf |
| 02:07.53 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:07.57 | Nyle | I don't do shit... |
| 02:08.02 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | we know |
| 02:08.16 | Nyle | we? you speak for everyone now? |
| 02:08.19 | Nyle | such arrogance... |
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| 02:08.24 | enouf | oh stop |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | such idiocy |
| 02:08.30 | Nyle | then again |
| 02:08.32 | Nyle | all you do is talk |
| 02:08.34 | Nyle | yap yap yap |
| 02:08.42 | Nyle | nothing else |
| 02:08.50 | enouf | Gentlemen! please! |
| 02:08.56 | Nyle | enouf, my bad. |
| 02:08.57 | amphi | !tell Nyle -about enter |
| 02:09.00 | abrotman | better than your addictions |
| 02:09.03 | amphi | ;) |
| 02:09.19 | Nyle | grow a sack, fill it with some balls, then come back. |
| 02:09.24 | Nyle | amphi, hey there |
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| 02:09.30 | Nyle | amphi, I got a trouble with debian + compiz fusion |
| 02:09.37 | Nyle | amphi, I was trying to look for you for few days |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | poor guy |
| 02:09.48 | amphi | Nyle: blob drivers? |
| 02:09.58 | Nyle | amphi, ati :( fglrx/catalyst |
| 02:10.06 | Nyle | amphi, lag, very much laggy |
| 02:10.39 | amphi | Nyle: turn your steps aside from the way of blob |
| 02:10.52 | Nyle | amphi, you wanna buy me a new card? |
| 02:11.06 | enouf | abrotman: btw, do you the general answer to "wtf is going on with no xorg.conf file, or it's empty, or it's not listening to my settings" in lenny lately? |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:11.15 | amphi | Nyle: I know nothing about fglrx, praise be to him who sleepeth not |
| 02:11.25 | enouf | abrotman: a bug? |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | enouf: but ask Nyle .. he's got all the answers |
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| 02:11.44 | Nyle | amphi, english is not a first language for me. I've requested many times that you speak simple english with me. |
| 02:11.47 | Nyle | please |
| 02:11.52 | enouf | abrotman: c'mon ... |
| 02:11.52 | Nyle | I don't understand all your sayings. |
| 02:11.53 | netdaemon | abrotman: no its not a bug...apparently the new xorg is suppose to be "automagical" |
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| 02:12.02 | enouf | abrotman: i |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | netdaemon: it is |
| 02:12.07 | enouf | er |
| 02:12.16 | netdaemon | abrotman: except my scroll on my touchpad doesn't work =( |
| 02:12.23 | amphi | Nyle: what was not clear? |
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| 02:12.35 | Nyle | amphi, something about someone sleeping... |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | the emulate3 question is missing ... debconf freaks out .. writes a half done xorg.conf |
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| 02:12.45 | amphi | Nyle: irrelevant |
| 02:12.54 | Nyle | amphi, what does irrevleent mean? |
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| 02:13.00 | abrotman | enouf: damn you for making me type all that |
| 02:13.14 | amphi | Nyle: not germane ;) |
| 02:13.14 | enouf | abrotman: so, what happens when nothing "automagically" occurs? Can we blame that on; "You didn't RTFM you n00b" ? |
| 02:13.19 | Nyle | amphi, j/k |
| 02:13.20 | amphi | Nyle: ignorable |
| 02:13.30 | enouf | abrotman: ahh |
| 02:13.30 | Nyle | amphi, seriously though, what gfx you got, intel, nvidia? |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | enouf: ? |
| 02:13.45 | enouf | you type to fast :-P |
| 02:13.50 | amphi | Nyle: old radeon and intel |
| 02:13.55 | Nyle | amphi, you're set |
| 02:14.01 | abrotman | enouf: for a one-handed broken guy? |
| 02:14.03 | Nyle | amphi, I gotta deal with fglrx's lag crap |
| 02:14.10 | Nyle | amphi, should I try Xgl? you think so? |
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| 02:14.21 | enouf | abrotman: i'm on all thumbs :-p |
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| 02:14.34 | netdaemon | abrotman: you have documentation for this here bug where debconf freaks out on emulate 3? |
| 02:14.42 | amphi | Nyle: you could try; xgl has its own disadvantages |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | enouf: at least you have two of them |
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| 02:15.09 | enouf | where the heck have i been? |
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| 02:15.22 | abrotman | netdaemon: i'm not 100% sure it's what enouf is talking about .. he didn't give enough detail |
| 02:15.31 | enouf | oh right .. that little openssl thing O_o |
| 02:15.48 | enouf | abrotman: likely, yes |
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| 02:16.14 | abrotman | enouf: hold on |
| 02:16.17 | enouf | abrotman: just i've seen some stray puppies whining here and there - but i have no idea what's going on |
| 02:16.21 | enouf | abrotman: ok |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | let me find it |
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| 02:19.48 | abrotman | enouf: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/debian/xorg.git;a=commit;h=2187535f5d8c9641fc4f9099ba18b774551a1735 |
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| 02:19.58 | enouf | abrotman: cool - thanks |
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| 02:20.06 | abrotman | enouf: maybe .. double check with the committer |
| 02:20.16 | enouf | sure thing |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | enouf: since he's here now |
| 02:21.04 | mn1 | Anyone use rsync ? Can it be used as a "push" method ? I've got a central machine from which I want to push out to other systems in my network. |
| 02:21.05 | netdaemon | not sure i like this skimpy xorg file :P |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | enouf: wait .. someone else undid again |
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| 02:21.18 | Ryan52 | mn1: yes and yes |
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| 02:21.34 | Ryan52 | mn1: the man page is pretty self explanatory |
| 02:21.38 | rking | mn1: definitely can push - just do rsync heresrc theredest (just like scp) |
| 02:21.50 | enouf | abrotman: ugh .. |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | enouf: but likely not in sid yet |
| 02:21.56 | Ryan52 | mn1: be careful with trailing slashes |
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| 02:22.31 | mn1 | so the other systems need to have rsync running in daemon mode ? |
| 02:22.33 | enouf | abrotman: oh - so, are we thinking it'll get caught and corrected there? (leave in the Re-add) |
| 02:22.38 | Ryan52 | mn1: no |
| 02:22.48 | Ryan52 | mn1: goes over ssh |
| 02:22.56 | Ryan52 | mn1: though there is a daemon mode if you want |
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| 02:23.09 | mn1 | no I would prefer not to have a daemon mode :) |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | enouf: no idea .. but not in lenny yet :) |
| 02:24.10 | mn1 | Ryan52: what about trailing slashes should I look out for ? |
| 02:24.11 | dFence | is there a standard in wifi-romaing? (something with a number, that would make searching routers supporting it easier) |
| 02:24.42 | Ryan52 | mn1: you either need them or you don't (for directories)...but if you do it wrong it will screw everything up. |
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| 02:25.16 | enouf | abrotman: hehe , now the time to sacrifice a few of those small farm animals :-p |
| 02:25.21 | enouf | now's* |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | enouf: or ask the X team to nudge it in |
| 02:26.07 | mn1 | so I want to push /usr/pkg and everything underneath it ... I would use something like rsync /usr/pkg/ otherhost:/destination ? |
| 02:26.08 | enouf | abrotman: so the corrected (re-add) is in the lenny repos, and these people need to update && upgrade? |
| 02:26.18 | enouf | abrotman: heh |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | not afaik |
| 02:26.27 | Ryan52 | mn1: yup. but use -a so you perserve permissions |
| 02:26.43 | mn1 | got it. |
| 02:26.44 | enouf | abrotman: oh .. ok, well atleast i now half half-a-clue -- thanks |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | if it's the same |
| 02:26.59 | Ryan52 | mn1: usually you also want -v (verbose) and -z (compression) |
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| 02:28.23 | mn1 | ok |
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| 02:32.45 | rking | is it possible to configure alsa so it uses the USB headset when there is one, and the speakers otherwise? what i am doing now only sort-of works (which is setting the headset as the default card in my .asoundrc, and many programs attempt to use it and failover to the speakers (firefox is one that does)) |
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| 02:38.59 | anom01y | Hi |
| 02:39.11 | anom01y | I have a sata hd with ext2 fs |
| 02:39.39 | anom01y | and something happened to it (I dont know), but when I run fsck on it I get block errors |
| 02:39.57 | Shadow_mil | anom01y, bet you used ext3 right about now :P |
| 02:40.07 | anom01y | and I dont like rewriting blocks to fix them because I have important info on it |
| 02:40.12 | anom01y | ohh yeah it may be ext3 |
| 02:40.13 | anom01y | sorry |
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| 02:40.52 | anom01y | will fsck delete files off the hd if I chose to force rewrite blocks ? |
| 02:41.14 | monokrome | ugh |
| 02:41.28 | monokrome | Anyone know why my Opteron is throwing a machine check exception? |
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| 02:41.50 | monokrome | It doesn't have problems in Windows, but it kernel panics in Debian. |
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| 02:42.16 | EstEx | eh, newbie question. |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | try #ubuntu |
| 02:42.50 | EstEx | is it possible to run debian stable and update only software you choose without serious known danger? |
| 02:43.00 | rking | abrotman: haha, was that to EstEx? |
| 02:43.07 | EstEx | lol yeah it was |
| 02:43.08 | rking | abrotman: oh, the username. gotcha |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | it doesnt get that many updates |
| 02:43.18 | EstEx | im using a livecd |
| 02:43.28 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: the only software that's updated is the software that has bugs, until we roll out a new release. |
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| 02:43.35 | dondelelcaro | s/bugs/security &/ |
| 02:43.39 | EstEx | i understand that |
| 02:43.59 | EstEx | but i also know it is possible to change your sources.list to include testing and unstable sources |
| 02:44.04 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: if there are specific security updates that you don't want, you can put them on hold, or otherwise not upgrade... but you generally should just update those package.s |
| 02:44.20 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: it's not possible to run a combination of stable and testing/unstable directly. |
| 02:44.47 | dondelelcaro | (you end up running unstable or testing, with an odd smattering of stable packages) |
| 02:45.01 | EstEx | ah. =) |
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| 02:45.14 | anom01y | Shadow_mil: what should I do ? |
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| 02:45.16 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: that said, sometimes there are backported packages from testing/unstable available, which you can install using backports.org. |
| 02:45.31 | Shadow_mil | anom01y, hell if I know, google it |
| 02:45.53 | Shadow_mil | anom01y, if its ext3 you should be able to use the journal to recover your files |
| 02:45.57 | EstEx | well this is where my noob colors truly radiate... ahem... so testing isnt all that buggy? |
| 02:46.13 | Ryan52 | EstEx: I had one problem once. |
| 02:46.19 | webman | how does one use openvpn-vuln ? I've searched and everything just says "openvpn-vuln <keyfile>" but which file is the key file? I have .key and .crt and .csr files, and none of them are supposedly vulnerable (but they all should be) |
| 02:46.31 | EstEx | Ryan52: just one? |
| 02:46.33 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: it has bugs, but we try to catch all of the RC ones before the packages reach testing. |
| 02:46.53 | Ryan52 | EstEx: yup...it was with rubyonrails too so a normal user wouldnt run into it. |
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| 02:48.02 | EstEx | i see. excellent. One more question. how can someone like me with only minimal knowledge of the kernel and userland, along with a little experience in c/c++ learn more by contributing to the debian (or any other distro) project? |
| 02:48.13 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: yes |
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| 02:48.29 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: we're always looking for people to help out; you don't even need to know how to code in any language to help |
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| 02:48.38 | EstEx | so where can I start? |
| 02:48.44 | webman | EstEx: you could spend time on this channel helping where you can, and learning where you can't :) |
| 02:48.45 | rking | EstEx: try to find bugs, maybe come up with example patches, maybe make them good enough that they become the real patches |
| 02:49.03 | Ryan52 | EstEx: before anthing, learn to use the BTS |
| 02:49.08 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: depends on what you're interested in |
| 02:49.15 | EstEx | *jots down "BTS" |
| 02:49.18 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 02:49.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 02:49.22 | dondelelcaro | EstEx: see above. |
| 02:49.59 | EstEx | cool. thanks |
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| 02:51.02 | monokrome | Maybe it has something to do with hotplugging |
| 02:53.09 | gravity | EstEx: Learning how Debian, or whatever project you're interested in, actually works is the biggest thing. Each project has a different development method, and understanding how things happen will serve you well. |
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| 02:53.38 | gravity | EstEx: Debian has a particularly complex and complicated model by necessity, but it is definitely understandable |
| 02:54.34 | gravity | EstEx: Learning that will teach you how to contribute whatever it is you end up choosing to contribute, and it's a valuable skill |
| 02:54.47 | EstEx | Yes well i understand Debian's place in mission critical applications, which speaks for itself on the issue of development cycles |
| 02:55.23 | EstEx | BRB. Booting to net-inst disc |
| 02:55.35 | Sebboh | hah. I changed the hostname of a machine (inproperly, I guess) and now sudo doesn't work. I can't do crap if I can't sudo. Uh.. I know various ways to gain root at boot time, but, is there something more simple I can do? Like setting an environment variable for the new hostname so sudo knows how to work again, or something? The error is "sudo: unable to resolve host newname". |
| 02:55.50 | Ryan52 | Sebboh: change it in /etc/hosts too |
| 02:56.06 | Sebboh | Ryan52, yes, that was my error. :) |
| 02:56.14 | Ryan52 | Sebboh: sudo will still work (I think) |
| 02:56.29 | Sebboh | did my line get cut off? ;) |
| 02:56.32 | rking | Sebboh: so you don't know your root password? |
| 02:56.41 | Sebboh | I don't have a root password. |
| 02:56.46 | Sebboh | I have sudo. |
| 02:56.59 | Ryan52 | Sebboh: thats a really bad idea |
| 02:57.01 | webman | sebboh: maybe try removing internet access... it might produce a different error back to su and allow it to continue |
| 02:57.36 | Sebboh | Ryan52, it's a popular idea that I agree with. |
| 02:58.04 | webman | Sebboh: until you have a problem like you do now :) |
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| 02:59.06 | webman | Sebboh: or you could use a SSH key to login to the root account :) |
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| 02:59.32 | rking | Sebboh: well, does your /etc/sudoers restrict by hostname or something? i can't figure out why else it would care about the hostname |
| 02:59.36 | Sebboh | Anyway, it will take less time to shut off the system, remount the filesystem elsewhere and edit /etc/hosts than anything else we've come up with so I'll just do that. |
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| 03:00.16 | Sebboh | rking, yeah, I don't have a restriction, but I'm sure that that is why sudo is checking.. |
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| 03:01.01 | Sebboh | heh. Failure at step one: I can't do a proper shutdown with a non-root user. |
| 03:01.08 | webman | Sebboh: maybe set a root passwd while you are there :) just in case you needed to change it somewhere else as well |
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| 03:01.14 | Ryan52 | Sebboh: just add "init=/bin/bash rw" to the end of your boot command line |
| 03:01.17 | webman | Sebboh: Ctrl-Alt-Del will work |
| 03:01.38 | Sebboh | Ryan52, yeah, that's an option, too. |
| 03:01.41 | ftp3 | to move some users from one debian box to another, can I copy and paste the users from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow from one machine to the other? |
| 03:01.53 | Ryan52 | ftp3: yup |
| 03:02.12 | Ryan52 | ftp3: and /etc/shadow- I think |
| 03:03.08 | Sebboh | webman, ryan52, it's a virtual machine.. I can do the ctrl+alt+del but my VNC connection will drop before I get reconnected to catch grub.. So basically this is a good example of why keyboards are occasionally broken in frustration. ;) |
| 03:03.23 | Sebboh | anywho I'm off. Thanks guys. |
| 03:03.31 | webman | ftp3: and make sure that the UID/GID don't overlap with any other user/group and copy the home dirs and make sure the UID/GID matches there as well |
| 03:03.37 | Ryan52 | Sebboh: what virtual machine thing are you using? |
| 03:04.19 | webman | ftp3: and possibly /var/spool/mail and /var/spool/cron/crontabs and ... probably more esoteric options :) |
| 03:05.19 | ftp3 | thanks! |
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| 03:09.26 | Sebboh | Ryan52, Xen. All: hah, cool: I rebooted, missed grub, and instead of getting a login prompt, I got: "sulogin: root account is locked, starting shell" and a root prompt. :D So, they did consider this situation for me. Nice. |
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| 03:09.45 | Ryan52 | nice! |
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| 03:11.05 | anom01y | how can I tell if hd is ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 03:11.54 | dFence | is there a flag for mv that let's the new file keep the original file's timestamp? |
| 03:11.56 | Bushmills | anom01y: disktype /dev/... |
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| 03:12.09 | Ryan52 | dFence: I would check the man page |
| 03:12.19 | itomato | why mv and not cp? |
| 03:12.20 | dFence | Ryan52: been there done that |
| 03:12.24 | anom01y | Bushmills: thanks, |
| 03:12.30 | Ryan52 | dFence: then I guess there isnt |
| 03:12.41 | anom01y | if I have errors on the ext2, is there a faster way to fix it rather than to run fsck ? |
| 03:12.58 | Bushmills | anom01y: yes, recreate the file system |
| 03:13.09 | dFence | itomato: it's a call file copied into a spool-dir and gets processed based on the timestamp |
| 03:13.17 | itomato | anom0ly: you could break out the hex editor :) |
| 03:13.21 | shyam_k | hi in a fresh lenny,i did the fetchmailconf for my mail server,with username and password with imap,and i did exim -bd,and fetchmail -v it showed me signs of fetching mail.but where is the default path of those mails? |
| 03:13.43 | itomato | dFence: but why 'mv' vs 'cp' ? |
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| 03:14.00 | dFence | itomato: no particular reason, would save me one line of code ;D |
| 03:14.13 | eyeris | How can I check which version of openssl was used to generate a key? How can I tell when it was generated? |
| 03:14.16 | itomato | rsync will do it, then delete the original |
| 03:14.20 | anom01y | Bushmills: will I be able to save the files ?? |
| 03:14.32 | dFence | itomato: wow, didn't think of that.. thanks! |
| 03:14.38 | Bushmills | anom01y: no file will be left. and no error. |
| 03:14.43 | Ryan52 | eyeris: just check if its bad using ssh-vulnkey |
| 03:14.51 | Bushmills | clean slate |
| 03:15.08 | Ryan52 | eyeris: (assuming you are asking becuase of the openssl vulnerability) |
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| 03:15.30 | itomato | is going to make rsync t-shirts |
| 03:15.33 | eyeris | yep, thanks |
| 03:15.47 | shyam_k | would the default path of dumping the mails depend on exim or fetchmail? |
| 03:15.56 | shyam_k | i havent specified anything about the path |
| 03:16.15 | itomato | should be /var/spool |
| 03:16.57 | shyam_k | itomato: thanks a lott! |
| 03:17.00 | itomato | and a subdirectory depending on the mh |
| 03:17.05 | jeffwheeler | is going to buy itomato's rsync shirts |
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| 03:20.59 | anom01y | is there any way I can convert a ext2 to an ext3 without losing the files ? |
| 03:21.22 | CaT[tm] | yes |
| 03:21.59 | CaT[tm] | from vaaaague memory (it has been a while) you need to use tune2fs |
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| 03:24.26 | itomato | that sounds right - all you have to do is create a journal |
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| 03:25.00 | itomato | takes a while, and should be done from another (live?) environment that is not accessing the filesystem being converted |
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| 03:27.19 | ftp3 | i have a rsync question.. if i do this: rsync -avz -e ssh root@server1.example.com:/var/www/ /var/www/ will all the files/dirs in /var/www have the same users (not root) on the new (synced) server as the old? |
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| 03:29.57 | itomato | ftp3 - it's dependant on the user id: chown $uid:$uid the files, or look into re-assigning uids |
| 03:30.17 | itomato | oh - i misread it.. |
| 03:30.51 | itomato | '-a' is Archive, meaning it preserves virtually all attribs. |
| 03:30.53 | itomato | so, yes. |
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| 03:31.13 | vraa | hey guys, where should i start to learn how to troubleshoot a cd rom drive. i put a cd in my drive but i dont know what to do now |
| 03:31.14 | karsten | itomato: You were the one helping me (kgod) w/ the HP cold reset last night? |
| 03:31.22 | itomato | yep |
| 03:31.30 | karsten | itomato: Thanks. You nailed it. |
| 03:31.31 | itomato | did it's work? |
| 03:31.33 | itomato | cool |
| 03:31.38 | karsten | itomato: Very. |
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| 03:31.40 | ftp3 | itomato, thanks |
| 03:31.46 | itomato | too much experience |
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| 03:31.52 | karsten | itomato: Heh. |
| 03:32.12 | itomato | those things are slow, but damn do they work.. |
| 03:32.13 | karsten | itomato: I'm getting some other experiences at the moemtn. We can trade when I can tell you w/o having to kill you. |
| 03:32.21 | jim | vraa: how is the drive connected to your computer |
| 03:32.30 | vraa | yep, it's weird, i burned something a few days ago too! |
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| 03:32.43 | vraa | it's a windows xp cd, i was going to load it up in a virtual machine |
| 03:32.45 | karsten | itomato: For straight text, not bad. I printed a B&W image (straight text), _that_ took a while. |
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| 03:33.09 | vraa | i've never really "browsed" to cd drive before. i just know in windows you can go to "my computer" and in mac, it just appears on your desktop |
| 03:33.12 | itomato | yeah, I forgot how slow they are until I shot 30 pages out of a modern machine in under 5 seconds.. |
| 03:33.31 | itomato | vraa: is it mounted? |
| 03:33.51 | karsten | itomato: Woah. What printer? |
| 03:33.54 | jim | vraa: so you said you want to know how to troubleshoot, right? |
| 03:34.00 | simonrvn | karsten: you'd been trying to get the effing thing to work for a while eh? |
| 03:34.02 | vraa | yes, i am googling how to list mounted objects |
| 03:34.08 | karsten | simonrvn: No, just last night. |
| 03:34.15 | Ryan52 | vraa: mount |
| 03:34.19 | karsten | simonrvn: It'd been sitting for about three years. |
| 03:34.21 | itomato | karsten - some xerox at kinkos |
| 03:34.25 | vraa | http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-disks.html |
| 03:34.26 | simonrvn | ok, must be thinking of someone else then |
| 03:34.27 | vraa | just "mount" ? |
| 03:34.32 | karsten | itomato: Hrm. |
| 03:34.38 | Ryan52 | vraa: yup |
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| 03:34.51 | itomato | vraa - are you using nautilus or konqueror or anything? |
| 03:34.58 | vraa | i have "thunar" |
| 03:35.05 | karsten | itomato: Photocopier or printer? Most of the high-speed photocopiers image multiple pages at a time, and can shoot several sheets through in one cycle. |
| 03:35.16 | vraa | seems like nothing like "/dev/cda/" exists when i type "mount" |
| 03:35.32 | itomato | it's a printer, might have been a tektronix, come to think of it.. |
| 03:35.40 | vraa | the only "/dev/***" is "/dev/sdc1" actually heh |
| 03:35.55 | jim | what's it mounted on |
| 03:36.08 | karsten | jim: It's turtles, all the way down. |
| 03:36.25 | karsten | thinks that the loopback mount should be renamed "turtle". |
| 03:36.31 | itomato | vraa: type 'mount /dev/cdrom' |
| 03:36.48 | itomato | karsten - Alan Watts? |
| 03:36.53 | vraa | jim, http://pastebin.ca/1019763 |
| 03:37.04 | karsten | itomato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down |
| 03:37.17 | itomato | yeah, he references that in a lecture or two.. |
| 03:37.19 | vraa | itomato, i hear the drive spinning! |
| 03:37.28 | vraa | root@copyboss:~# mount /dev/cdrom |
| 03:37.28 | vraa | mount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 03:37.28 | vraa | root@copyboss:~# |
| 03:37.33 | vraa | excellent! so what did i just do? |
| 03:37.44 | itomato | it's mounted - congratulations, you're a Father! |
| 03:37.44 | vraa | i mounted what was in the device called cdrom, but where? |
| 03:37.55 | itomato | in the default location: /media/cdrom |
| 03:37.58 | jim | you grafted your cdrom data onto some directory |
| 03:38.01 | karsten | itomato: Bertrand Russell is whom it's usually attributed to. |
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| 03:38.37 | itomato | yeah, i always hear it attributed to the little old lady. "Silly, it's turtles all the way down..." |
| 03:39.13 | karsten | itomato: Right, in a lecture by Russell, she's heckling him. |
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| 03:39.39 | itomato | little did he know - she's right! I've been down there.. Nothing but turtles. |
| 03:39.57 | karsten | allows itomato his delusions. |
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| 03:40.22 | karsten | It's plush octopi. *Everybody* knows that. |
| 03:40.41 | itomato | allows karsten his delusions |
| 03:41.13 | vraa | you guys rule |
| 03:41.16 | vraa | i can't believe it was that easy |
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| 03:41.41 | jim | a lot of things are, some are not |
| 03:41.51 | karsten | vraa: It's almost always easy. The hard part is figuring out which easy thing it is. |
| 03:41.52 | itomato | vraa: I dunno how new you are, but you might continually blow yourself away if you 'apropos $keyword' |
| 03:42.09 | jim | for this case it helped a LOT that you understood what the act of mounting is |
| 03:42.28 | vraa | WHOA |
| 03:42.37 | vraa | it gives you ALL the functions that have that keyword related to it |
| 03:42.43 | itomato | mm hmm |
| 03:42.55 | karsten | vraa: In the manpage synopsis, yes. |
| 03:43.17 | itomato | 'apt-cache search' behaves similarly for things you don't have installed, but can apt-get |
| 03:43.43 | vraa | yeah iuse that too, but it's easier for me to search google like "apt-get packagename" |
| 03:43.46 | karsten | vraa: IIRC Red Hat used to have 'man -k' enabled. That allowed keyword searching through all manpages. That got prohibitive a while ago, but with appropriate indexing might work. |
| 03:43.57 | vraa | so you can see which repo it's in, debian is so wickedly cool, the entire idea of repositories is ingenius |
| 03:44.14 | karsten | vraa: apt has very good search tools (as itomato has pointed out). auto-apt is the fastest, apt-file ain't bad. |
| 03:44.21 | pinto3 | there's whatis and apropos too, but man -k uses the same data i think |
| 03:44.31 | itomato | and 'info' |
| 03:44.36 | karsten | vraa: Install the 'dwww' amd package and you get web-accessible, |
| 03:44.43 | itomato | which uses different information |
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| 03:45.04 | jim | vaa: it's pretty cool, yeah... so is http://packages.debian.org |
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| 03:45.10 | karsten | erm, dwww and swish++ and you get web-accessible and searchable docs for everything on your box in man, info, and /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 03:45.43 | vraa | btw guys, aptitude is worse than apt-get |
| 03:45.57 | vraa | whenever i tried using aptitutde to do a dist upgrade, it kept asking for more time to find a solution |
| 03:46.00 | itomato | but is a product of Eric Raymond: http://www.geekitude.com/Pictures/Linucon2005/20050930Friday/CIMG0844TronSittingSm.jpg |
| 03:46.11 | Ryan52 | vraa: did apt-get find a solution though? |
| 03:46.18 | simonrvn | vraa: that doesn't make it worse |
| 03:46.27 | vraa | apt-get worked fine :) |
| 03:46.43 | Ryan52 | vraa: aptitude tries very hard to make you happy...thats a good thing. |
| 03:46.45 | jim | I wonder why there would have been an issue... etch is pretty stable... |
| 03:46.51 | pinto3 | any of you guys know of an archive of acm articles? i tried searching for this volume 32 issue 6 from 1989 on their website, but they don't have it, they have 5 and 7, but not that one |
| 03:46.54 | simonrvn | apt-get either chokes or installs it anyway. though aptitude on CL is clumsier. |
| 03:47.09 | pinto3 | it's supposed to explain how the 1988 internet worm worked, i was curious how it used gets :) |
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| 03:47.19 | itomato | check scribd |
| 03:48.54 | karsten | vraa: No, it's better. |
| 03:49.06 | karsten | pinto3: Um. A library? |
| 03:49.20 | pinto3 | they have all other articles that i can see available in electronic form |
| 03:49.31 | pinto3 | or was that one popular so they made money off it? |
| 03:49.42 | karsten | pinto3: And we would know that how? |
| 03:49.52 | pinto3 | you're computer users, i thought you might |
| 03:50.12 | karsten | pinto3: We're not the ACM's circulation manager. |
| 03:50.34 | karsten | _does_ remember the Morris Worm, howeve.r |
| 03:50.40 | karsten | ... and worked at a library at the time. |
| 03:50.53 | anom01y | CaT[tm]: by using that program tun2fs |
| 03:51.04 | anom01y | if my ext2 has errors |
| 03:51.17 | itomato | pinto3: you might try google's usenet archive for some of the *announce groups |
| 03:51.25 | anom01y | is it still safe to convert to ext3, or should I repair the ext2 first ?? |
| 03:51.27 | pinto3 | alright, i'll check it |
| 03:51.42 | anom01y | before I convert from ext2 to ext3 ? |
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| 03:52.10 | jim | anom01y: I'd check it first too |
| 03:52.41 | jim | the silly naive converter tooly probably expects a stable filesystem... |
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| 03:53.32 | CrocoJet | my x server do not run, I have nvidia 8400gs pci-express, what can I do now ? |
| 03:53.51 | Ryan52 | CrocoJet: debian wiki...look for nvidia |
| 03:53.54 | karsten | CrocoJet: Fix it. |
| 03:54.01 | karsten | !tell CrocoJet about nvidia |
| 03:54.07 | Ryan52 | CrocoJet: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:54.20 | CrocoJet | let me see |
| 03:54.57 | anom01y | becuase checking it keeps rewriting blocks |
| 03:55.01 | anom01y | and Im afraid to lost data |
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| 03:59.21 | fluxon | In /etc/apt/sources.list , after the URL should I use "stable/updates" or "Etch" ? |
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| 03:59.51 | itomato | !tell itomato about apt |
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| 04:00.04 | itomato | hrm.. |
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| 04:00.16 | Sebboh | you can use /msg dpkg apt |
| 04:00.44 | wd | hey guys trying to install sudoer apt-cache search sudoer/sudoers giving me nada what's the correct name? |
| 04:00.56 | Sebboh | sudo |
| 04:01.05 | wd | Sebboh: oh crap. hehe thanks. |
| 04:01.19 | fluxon | Sebboh : where in the text does it talk about "stable" or "etch" ? |
| 04:01.40 | wd | Sebboh: by the way do i have to use visudo can i use nano? |
| 04:01.44 | Sebboh | /etc/sudoers is a sudo config file. |
| 04:02.04 | wd | Sebboh: gotcha. |
| 04:02.29 | Sebboh | wd, uh, I dunno about that. I've only ever done it the wrong way. ;) |
| 04:02.35 | fluxon | In /etc/apt/sources.list , after the URL should I use "stable/updates" or "Etch" ? |
| 04:02.48 | wd | Sebboh: :) |
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| 04:03.14 | Sebboh | fluxon, I have no idea. |
| 04:03.23 | itomato | fluxon: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 04:03.31 | itomato | from the faq |
| 04:03.46 | itomato | related - does apt-setup still exist? |
| 04:04.26 | vader-- | Anyone in here work with juniper netscreen firewalls? |
| 04:04.29 | itomato | answers his own question: apparently not. |
| 04:04.46 | itomato | vader-- I don't |
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| 04:05.48 | Bakkal_ | Hello, my guests on Vbox can't access internet, I use NAT, the NIC are detected, the links are up, but ifconfig on host system shows no vbox interfaces, how to? |
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| 04:08.03 | Bakkal_ | Hello, my guests on Vbox can't access internet, I use NAT, the NIC are detected, the links are up, but ifconfig on host system shows no vbox interfaces, how to? |
| 04:08.17 | itomato | bakkal, it should be relatively automatic. check the virtualbox docs |
| 04:09.38 | wd | ummm ok following sudo install using newbieDoc anyway visudo is installed with sudo well nano popped up is this normal? i mean instructions say to look for "command" in red font. should i just continue with nano? |
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| 04:10.05 | thedonvaughn | wd: update-alternatives --config editor probably |
| 04:10.07 | shyam_k | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.40 | itomato | shyam_k - no. |
| 04:10.41 | bitweiler | is their away to build-essential without the CD, my daughter just broke it. |
| 04:10.44 | neoark | is there a debian script that auto select fastest apt-get repo |
| 04:10.48 | neoark | rhel has one |
| 04:10.50 | neoark | i belive |
| 04:11.08 | vraa | how big of a deal is this compiler error telling me I have a *newer* compiler |
| 04:11.08 | itomato | there used to be one as part of apt-setup, which I was just lamenting the death of.. |
| 04:11.09 | cherwin | neoark: netselect |
| 04:11.10 | vraa | isnt that better? |
| 04:11.25 | wd | thedonvaughn: hmm ok. i normally use nano never used vi, i was just going to use it for install sudo. if i update it will change from nano to vi huh? |
| 04:11.49 | fluxon | Sebboh, thanks ! |
| 04:11.53 | fluxon | itomato, thanks ! |
| 04:11.56 | vraa | http://pastebin.ca/1019778 <-- that's the exact message i'm referring too |
| 04:12.06 | neoark | cherwin ty |
| 04:12.07 | itomato | sham_k - "/var/spool/mail/mail" ? |
| 04:12.20 | shyam_k | yeah.. |
| 04:12.30 | itomato | fluxon ; np hth |
| 04:12.43 | itomato | did you create that directory manually? |
| 04:12.49 | shyam_k | just now |
| 04:12.52 | thedonvaughn | vraa: what don't you understand about that error messages? |
| 04:12.54 | shyam_k | and gonna try again.. |
| 04:13.00 | vraa | why is having a newer compiler worse? |
| 04:13.16 | vraa | i mean, why else would a newer version exist, unless devs are improving on it |
| 04:13.32 | thedonvaughn | vraa: is that what the error message said? re-read it. |
| 04:13.32 | itomato | sham_k - remove it. let dpkg handle the creation of the spool directories. the post install scripts for the packages will take care of it. |
| 04:13.42 | thedonvaughn | vraa: it's saying it recommends that you match what version your kernel was compiled on. |
| 04:13.57 | fluxon | is it normal that apt-get install build-essential Fails ? |
| 04:13.58 | vraa | is it odd that i dont have what my kernel was compiled on? |
| 04:14.13 | \amethyst | vraa: what kernel? |
| 04:14.14 | fluxon | vraa: yes it is |
| 04:14.20 | anom01y | is there any way I can get around the frustratingly slow fsck process for repairing errors on a ext2 fs ? |
| 04:14.32 | \amethyst | anom01y: do it once then convert to ext3 |
| 04:14.36 | thedonvaughn | vraa: should be able to install gcc-4.1 with apt-get if u don't have. u sure u don't have it in /usr/bin/gcc-4.1? |
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| 04:14.38 | itomato | anom0ly - not with your apparent level of understanding (no offense) |
| 04:14.49 | bitweiler | fluxon: it doesn't fail it what's the cd which i don't have now |
| 04:14.52 | \amethyst | anom01y: then fsck would usually just replay the journal |
| 04:14.59 | shyam_k | itomato: ah yes now its asking for misc:) in .gnus.el i have given (nnml-directory "/var/spool") thats fine right? and which script to be run to make that? |
| 04:15.05 | fluxon | how do i install it off the cd ?! |
| 04:15.12 | fluxon | i have a cd |
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| 04:15.47 | itomato | shyam_k - 'dpkg-reconfigure' your mail handler |
| 04:15.54 | thedonvaughn | Nn |
| 04:16.02 | thedonvaughn | bleh sorry about that. |
| 04:16.05 | itomato | or better yet, remove it. |
| 04:16.06 | bitweiler | fluxon: "apt-get build-essential" insert cd |
| 04:16.07 | shyam_k | itomato: ok thanks a lott.. |
| 04:16.15 | anom01y | \amethyst: its taking forever, but it keeps finding block errors, and it asks me if I want to rewrite them, I keep choosing yes |
| 04:16.17 | fluxon | whew |
| 04:16.21 | \amethyst | anom01y: oh |
| 04:16.26 | \amethyst | anom01y: your hard drive is dying |
| 04:16.29 | anom01y | hopefully that doesnt erase files |
| 04:16.32 | anom01y | \amethyst: no |
| 04:16.34 | itomato | bitweiler, take cdrom out of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:16.40 | \amethyst | anom01y: oh? |
| 04:16.43 | anom01y | its a brand new hd |
| 04:16.46 | fluxon | bitweiler, is that safe? |
| 04:16.52 | \amethyst | anom01y: okay, so it's infant mortality |
| 04:16.59 | itomato | phew - nevermind.. |
| 04:17.01 | \amethyst | anom01y: or the controller or cable |
| 04:17.02 | bitweiler | nods |
| 04:17.06 | anom01y | some piece of crap software I was using did sometihng to it |
| 04:17.08 | fluxon | bitweiler, thanks :) |
| 04:17.15 | \amethyst | anom01y: "block error" means it's having problems reading from/writing to the disk |
| 04:17.30 | \amethyst | anom01y: what software is that? |
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| 04:17.36 | bitweiler | itomato: what do you mean |
| 04:17.39 | itomato | goes back to work on http://openlpos.org |
| 04:18.04 | itomato | bitweiler - i misread and combined three messages from 8 different people.. |
| 04:18.14 | vraa | thedonvaughn, i tried to check if "/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" existed, but nothing existed after gcc |
| 04:18.16 | anom01y | some file sharing program I had in a windows virtual box |
| 04:18.32 | vraa | i tried "apt-get install gcc-4.1" and it said gcc-4.1 is already the newest version |
| 04:18.53 | anom01y | \amethyst: how it seemed to happen was all of a sudden the hd was very slow to read |
| 04:18.59 | anom01y | from each folder on it |
| 04:19.11 | \amethyst | anom01y: what software do you think caused it, and why? |
| 04:19.25 | anom01y | I think it was dc++ |
| 04:19.26 | bitweiler | itomato: is their away to install build-esstenials for somewhere other than CD |
| 04:19.38 | anom01y | maybe not though |
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| 04:19.49 | vraa | bitweiler, i think "apt-get install build-essentials" works through http or ftp, depending on your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:19.53 | \amethyst | anom01y: doubtful |
| 04:20.03 | anom01y | yeah I dont think that either |
| 04:20.10 | anom01y | I wonder what the problem was then |
| 04:20.16 | \amethyst | anom01y: maybe a cable came loose |
| 04:20.18 | anom01y | I can still read from the folders on it |
| 04:20.23 | anom01y | its a sata cable |
| 04:20.24 | itomato | bitweiler - yes, that 's what I was getting at. check your sources.list |
| 04:20.30 | umm3009 | i need some help i am trying to mount a device mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 but its saying i need to specify the file system |
| 04:20.33 | anom01y | I do remember having to shut down the computer |
| 04:20.40 | anom01y | while dc++ was trying to hash from the hd |
| 04:20.44 | itomato | or download the .deb directly and 'dpkg -i' |
| 04:20.58 | anom01y | it froze up somehow |
| 04:21.06 | \amethyst | anom01y: it's possible d++ was freezing because of a disk error |
| 04:21.20 | \amethyst | that can happen when a program tries to read from an area of disk that's gone bad |
| 04:21.34 | anom01y | so whats my best option, ? |
| 04:21.43 | bitweiler | vraa: i had to remove the cd cruff to get it work |
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| 04:21.52 | anom01y | keep force re-writing whenever fsck asks ? |
| 04:21.53 | bitweiler | thanks itomato :D |
| 04:21.58 | vraa | yeah, that is usually the first step from what i've read |
| 04:22.26 | \amethyst | anom01y: that had the potential to lose data if the problem is really just a cable and not a disk error |
| 04:22.35 | \amethyst | anom01y: (if it's a disk error, the data is lost anyway) |
| 04:22.58 | anom01y | ok well I can try and reset the computer and then see if the cable is good |
| 04:23.03 | anom01y | its just a sata cable |
| 04:23.05 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 04:23.12 | umm3009 | any ideas? how can i format the drive i did cfdisk /dev/sdb and added the partition and 83 for linux and ext3 but its still not mounting |
| 04:23.13 | \amethyst | interrupting fsck is probably not good |
| 04:23.13 | anom01y | and it boots / reads fine for the most part |
| 04:23.20 | anom01y | well |
| 04:23.31 | \amethyst | anom01y: then a disk error sounds more likely |
| 04:23.32 | anom01y | I ctrl-c when it is asking to ignore |
| 04:23.42 | anom01y | and it tells me it still has errors |
| 04:23.49 | \amethyst | anom01y: a cable error would usually affect the whole disk equally |
| 04:23.54 | anom01y | yeah |
| 04:24.03 | anom01y | because I can go into the folders |
| 04:24.13 | anom01y | I've checked a few of the stuff on there and the data is still good |
| 04:24.14 | thedonvaughn | umm3009: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb |
| 04:24.16 | \amethyst | anom01y: probably only some of them are corrupted |
| 04:24.20 | umm3009 | k |
| 04:24.23 | anom01y | yeah thats what I am thinking |
| 04:24.35 | \amethyst | anom01y: I would suspect, for example, the part of the disk where dc++ keeps its cache |
| 04:24.37 | anom01y | I was using dos, from a windows xp virtual |
| 04:24.45 | anom01y | to change the file names |
| 04:24.52 | bitweiler | does etch have a problem with building MesaLib |
| 04:25.14 | anom01y | well I am going to convert it to a ext3 asap |
| 04:25.20 | anom01y | less errors, no ? |
| 04:25.20 | \amethyst | anom01y: anyway, I would recommend to back up everything as soon as possible. Do you have a disk bigger than this one? |
| 04:25.30 | \amethyst | anom01y: that won't help if there actually are errors |
| 04:25.43 | anom01y | well I can back up a few things |
| 04:25.49 | thedonvaughn | umm3009: erm i meant /dev/sdbX X being your partition you created. |
| 04:25.49 | anom01y | not all though |
| 04:25.52 | \amethyst | anom01y: I thought you were asking about the normal fscks you get when the machine is hard-rebooted |
| 04:25.54 | anom01y | I'll be alrright |
| 04:26.04 | anom01y | ohh no |
| 04:26.08 | anom01y | its a secondary hd |
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| 04:26.21 | \amethyst | anom01y: copy the important stuff off that drive as soon as possible |
| 04:26.23 | umm3009 | haha too late i did the hole darn thing and it mounted |
| 04:26.28 | anom01y | with my rare collection of documentaries on there |
| 04:26.32 | umm3009 | thanks :) |
| 04:26.35 | Wyzard | bitweiler: Why are you compiling mesa? |
| 04:26.46 | \amethyst | anom01y: because once a drive starts showing errors, it's only going to get worse |
| 04:26.52 | bitweiler | cause i using netbsd's pkgsrc |
| 04:26.59 | \amethyst | anom01y: the longer you run with a bad disk, the more data you stand to lose |
| 04:27.03 | Wyzard | umm3009: If you ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb, you probably hosed whatever was on the disk |
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| 04:27.23 | umm3009 | there was nothing important |
| 04:27.36 | umm3009 | i wanted it clean any how :)0 |
| 04:27.43 | Wyzard | umm3009: OK, good |
| 04:27.48 | umm3009 | :) |
| 04:27.51 | anom01y | \amethyst: is there any way I can tell what files are corrupt ? |
| 04:27.53 | umm3009 | thanks wyzard |
| 04:27.56 | anom01y | all it shows are the block numbers |
| 04:28.01 | autojack | ok, NOW what the hell is up? I got the nvidia binary driver working earlier, in Lenny, thanks to some people in here. now I've rebooted the box, and the driver isn't loading anymore. it seems to get preempted by the nvidiafb driver, and I can |
| 04:28.03 | Wyzard | umm3009: At any rate, you should put your filesystem in a partition; don't put a filesystem on /dev/sdb itself |
| 04:28.06 | autojack | can't get that one to stop loading. |
| 04:28.08 | autojack | help? |
| 04:28.29 | umm3009 | im just trying to make a boot disk should be okay |
| 04:28.37 | Bakkal_ | what's the benefit of splitting the virtual disks into 2GB portions? |
| 04:28.47 | \amethyst | anom01y: hmm.. I'm not sure about that... some stuff might end up in /lost+found |
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| 04:29.20 | Wyzard | Bakkal_: Some filesystems (notably fat32) can't contain files bigger than 2GB |
| 04:29.20 | anom01y | well |
| 04:29.25 | anom01y | I crtl-c'd it |
| 04:29.33 | anom01y | (says there are still errors) |
| 04:29.40 | Bakkal_ | Wyzard: and aside from that? (fat32 is 4GB) |
| 04:29.46 | anom01y | then I just mounted it, and checked some of the stuff it seems all fine |
| 04:30.24 | Wyzard | Bakkal_: I don't know of any reason for it besides that; I've always turned that option off (I assume you're talking about creating a VMware virtual disk) and I haven't had any problems |
| 04:30.25 | fluxon | bitweiler, what was that cd command again please? because apt-get install build-essential insert cd Fails (E: Couldn't find package insert) |
| 04:30.59 | Bakkal_ | Wyzard: right, on vmware, I turned it off too, just wondering if I am missing something important |
| 04:31.13 | \amethyst | anom01y: still, 1. make that disk read-only and 2. copy everything you can onto DVDs, another disk, web storage, whatever |
| 04:31.15 | Wyzard | Bakkal_: Not that I know of |
| 04:31.33 | Wyzard | Bakkal_: Having the whole virtual disk in a single file is preferable IMO |
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| 04:32.12 | Wyzard | Bakkal_: so is preallocating it (better performance, and vmware-vdiskmanager can do more things with a preallocated disk) |
| 04:32.15 | \amethyst | anom01y: if you don't there is a very good chance that more and more of your files will become corrupt |
| 04:32.40 | Bakkal_ | Wyzard: on Vbox, when using NAT, am I supposed to see the network interfaces or not? cause when I do ifconfig I see none, but with vmware NAT I see the vmnets |
| 04:32.54 | Wyzard | Bakkal_: no idea; I don't use vbox |
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| 04:33.29 | \amethyst | anom01y: I speak from experience on this... I had disk errors that started out as one single file having funny permissions. Within about a week I had lost most of the mysql databases and a lot of config files |
| 04:33.57 | Bakkal_ | Wyzard: NAT works fine on vmware for me, Vbox NAT works too, but all it does is resolve the DNS, then nothing much happens... and I can't ping the vm from the host, and neither to ping the guest from the host |
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| 04:34.41 | \amethyst | anom01y: can you afford a new disk of the same size anytime soon? |
| 04:35.03 | anom01y | \amethyst: I have a backup solution |
| 04:35.16 | anom01y | so I will do that |
| 04:35.21 | anom01y | then re-format it |
| 04:35.28 | \amethyst | anom01y: no |
| 04:35.36 | anom01y | er |
| 04:35.37 | \amethyst | anom01y: then you send it back to the manufacturer |
| 04:35.41 | anom01y | ohh |
| 04:35.57 | BubbaT | Does this make sense to anybody? |
| 04:35.58 | \amethyst | anom01y: if it's that new it's still under warranty |
| 04:36.13 | BubbaT | I just checked my dns settings and my dns server is my dsl modem. |
| 04:36.18 | \amethyst | anom01y: you can use something like smartctl (from the package smartmontools) to do diagnostics on the disk |
| 04:36.39 | \amethyst | anom01y: if it really is failing, the information from there should be enough to convince the manufacturer |
| 04:37.03 | \amethyst | anom01y: they might make you run their own SMART tool just to verify |
| 04:37.07 | anom01y | can I use this smartctl right now ? |
| 04:37.12 | \amethyst | yes |
| 04:37.16 | anom01y | ok |
| 04:37.19 | vraa | so um, is not having the same gcc version as your kernel a bad thing? |
| 04:37.22 | \amethyst | smartctl -a /dev/whatever |
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| 04:37.26 | vraa | or is it just "well, maybe" |
| 04:37.47 | \amethyst | anom01y: (you have to be root; and apt-get install smartmontools if you don't have it) |
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| 04:38.05 | \amethyst | anom01y: in fact, could you put the output into a pastebin? |
| 04:38.12 | anom01y | sure |
| 04:38.14 | itomato | vraa: if your kernel was built as a package, it should not matter. |
| 04:38.19 | anom01y | can I do this while it is mounted ??? |
| 04:38.34 | vraa | what does "built as a package" mean? |
| 04:38.38 | anom01y | because it is not umounting (says its busy) |
| 04:38.41 | vraa | i've just used apt-get most of the time, just vmware needs make install |
| 04:38.46 | itomato | vraa: did you compile your kernel? |
| 04:38.53 | fluxon | can apt-get dist-upgrade break my system ? |
| 04:38.58 | vraa | no, i dont think i did |
| 04:39.05 | dFence | where can i set my system on daylight savings time? |
| 04:39.08 | itomato | fluxon - yes, if you're using sid or something.. |
| 04:39.15 | fluxon | what about etch ? |
| 04:39.23 | itomato | should be OK |
| 04:39.26 | fluxon | uh |
| 04:39.29 | fluxon | hrm |
| 04:39.48 | itomato | dFence: apt-get install ntp ; ntpdate -s time.apple.com (or similar) |
| 04:40.00 | itomato | or 'man date' |
| 04:40.01 | fluxon | i can't get build-essential or libc6 |
| 04:40.28 | itomato | i was having problems with libc6 with a live-build, but I was using lenny.. |
| 04:41.18 | anom01y | \amethyst: hmm can't unmount it |
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| 04:41.24 | dFence | itomato: that's what i did, it says it's 6:40 CEST but when i have a time-conversion from formatted to unixtimestamp i get a time one hour ahead of now |
| 04:41.25 | anom01y | and no programs are using it |
| 04:41.40 | fluxon | does the upgrade overwrite existing packages like daemons and servers and their settings ? |
| 04:42.18 | itomato | fluxon - it will ask if you want to "install the maintainer's version" of files, or keep your own. In most cases, your own existsing files are kept by default |
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| 04:42.49 | itomato | dFence - I don't understand. |
| 04:43.14 | anom01y | \amethyst: ok I unmounted it, but that smartctl -a /dev/sdb1 doesnt work |
| 04:43.29 | Wyzard | vraa: If it's a slightly different version (e.g. different patchlevel) it should be OK |
| 04:43.47 | anom01y | \amethyst: it says "device doesnt support smart" |
| 04:44.00 | Wyzard | vraa: In principle it's possible that there might be some incompatibility, but I've been using VMware for years and I don't think I've ever had a problem with that |
| 04:44.09 | vraa | it did give me an error |
| 04:44.11 | vraa | i did press yes |
| 04:44.20 | \amethyst | anom01y: well, time to call the manufacturer... they'll have tools for it, though you might need to use windows to run them |
| 04:44.22 | Wyzard | vraa: What error? |
| 04:44.27 | itomato | anom0ly - try the plain device: /dev/sdb (and rtfm) |
| 04:44.29 | \amethyst | anom01y: assuming it's under warranty, that is |
| 04:44.55 | anom01y | jeesh |
| 04:44.58 | anom01y | what a pain |
| 04:45.03 | dFence | itomato: i do a time-conversion in asterisk - the output of today, 6:30 my time (on dst) is returned as a unix-timestamp (seconds since 1970). but when i convert the timestamp back to formatted date i get a date one hour ahed so 7:30 - therefore i assume somewhere on the road my system misses the fact that i'm on DST and it has to substract an hour |
| 04:45.07 | vraa | http://pastebin.ca/1019794 |
| 04:45.16 | vraa | there it is Wyzard |
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| 04:45.30 | itomato | dFence - it's probably something asterisk config related. |
| 04:45.50 | Wyzard | vraa: 4.1 vs. 4.2 is a big enough difference that it might be a problem |
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| 04:46.04 | itomato | dFence: +/- so many hours GMT |
| 04:46.04 | vraa | yes, i'm not sure what to do now, so i'm just googling around |
| 04:46.06 | anom01y | \amethyst: its a wdc |
| 04:46.07 | dFence | itomato: i'm using timezone Europe/Berlin, thought it should get the +/- 1 hour? |
| 04:46.14 | anom01y | wdc is western digital ?? |
| 04:46.58 | Wyzard | vraa: Install the gcc-4.1 package and run "CC=gcc-4.1 vmware-config.pl" |
| 04:47.21 | itomato | dFence - your system time may be correct, but if asterisk is still thinking it's DST, it will give you that hour |
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| 04:47.49 | dFence | itomato: hm.. i'll check |
| 04:48.02 | vraa | when i did apt-get install gcc-4.1, it said it was already the newest version, so i went ahead to the CC command, what's that do? tell the compiler to use the specific version? |
| 04:48.23 | vraa | sweet, it looks like that did it, it's compiling now |
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| 04:49.48 | anom01y | seems like I have a lot more critical errors using ext2 than I do with ntfs |
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| 04:50.24 | anom01y | I've had 3 hard drives now completely screwed either because of fsck or ext2 |
| 04:50.27 | itomato | that's why nobody uses ext2 - and hasn't for like 10 years. |
| 04:50.48 | anom01y | itomato: my other drives are ext3 |
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| 04:51.08 | anom01y | weird |
| 04:51.24 | itomato | anom0ly - you might try xfs and/or jfs. see if you like those better. |
| 04:51.48 | anom01y | Im just gonna back everything up, |
| 04:51.53 | itomato | jfs rocks: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 04:51.55 | anom01y | repartition it to ext3 |
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| 04:52.08 | anom01y | copy it all back |
| 04:52.57 | itomato | anom0ly - there is no difference between ext2 and ext3 except for the journal provided by ext3 |
| 04:53.13 | itomato | same. |
| 04:53.17 | anom01y | oh ? |
| 04:53.26 | anom01y | thats weird I cant even copy from it ???? |
| 04:53.36 | anom01y | I think this hd is toast |
| 04:53.43 | itomato | it might be |
| 04:53.54 | anom01y | I try to back it up and konqueror says its "stalled" |
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| 04:54.16 | itomato | if fsck quit, it never got mounted, and it's not a clean filesystem. |
| 04:54.23 | itomato | you have to get to that point first |
| 04:54.29 | itomato | regardless of what filesystem |
| 04:54.56 | anom01y | hmm |
| 04:55.11 | anom01y | I wonder if my computer is sucking too much power and my power supply is not enough |
| 04:55.16 | itomato | no |
| 04:55.25 | anom01y | cause I have 5 hds |
| 04:55.33 | anom01y | 500 watt power supply |
| 04:55.37 | itomato | if they spin - you're good. |
| 04:55.42 | anom01y | and like 7 fans |
| 04:55.50 | itomato | and earplugs, i hope |
| 04:56.04 | anom01y | yeah, well their quiet fans so Im all good |
| 04:56.20 | Tapout | hello ; Trying to figure out the best sysctl settings for a server running a 1Gb network. I've seen reports on my isp's forum that tweaking is required... This must be very common, anyone know a really good resource for this? I've checked google and got a few conflicting settings.. the common ones ; tried and increased my speeds to 14MB/sec but no where near 100MB/sec+ |
| 04:56.53 | anom01y | well its backing up some stuff now |
| 04:56.56 | itomato | Tapout - i may have some information for you, but I have to move to another coffeehouse. closing time |
| 04:56.57 | anom01y | thank god |
| 04:58.22 | Tapout | itomato, come over for coffee! |
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| 04:58.39 | Tapout | itomato, i know some of you network guys can get it smoking but I've tried and tried.. dunno what i'm missing |
| 04:59.17 | Tapout | my MTU is at 1500... i see people sayign to force MTU 9000 on 1Gb networks, however the switch has to be configured for it.. |
| 04:59.46 | thedonvaughn | Tapout: you sure you're negotiating at 1000Mbit? what does mii-tool or ethtool say? |
| 05:00.10 | thedonvaughn | Tapout: also bottleneck could be several things. how fast is your hard drive? |
| 05:00.21 | Tapout | ethtool says 1Gb, mii-tool says 100Mb |
| 05:00.37 | Tapout | 4 sata2 drives in a raid+10 config 500GB useable |
| 05:00.41 | Tapout | usable |
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| 05:00.51 | thedonvaughn | that's right , mii-tool won't report higher than 100Mb/s. but if ethtool says it, then you are. |
| 05:01.32 | Tapout | i'm at softlayer and there is a huge forum post on tweaking out linux to get fast private speeds |
| 05:01.46 | bitweiler | how to use cdrecord to write iso to cdrw, seems cdrecord /dev/cdrw file.iso didn't work |
| 05:02.07 | Tapout | currently they cap out at about 2MB/sec ... i tried ftp with the default sysctl net settings and got about 4-5MB/sec ... I tweaked and got 14MB/sec but on a 1Gb->1Gb network that sucks |
| 05:03.00 | Tapout | some guys said debian is shipped with sysctl for desktop .. not for server+1Gb networks |
| 05:03.05 | Tapout | so I wanna find the best settings |
| 05:03.24 | pinto3 | i have a pile of cdrw disks that can't be used for some reason :-/ |
| 05:03.40 | markybob | bitweiler, you really need to learn to google. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8831 |
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| 05:05.21 | bitweiler | markybob: i use google and the method i found work but the cd hangs |
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| 05:06.34 | markybob | bitweiler, have an error? |
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| 05:13.01 | bitweiler | markybob: nope it just hangs at ISOLINUX..... never giving an error |
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| 05:13.08 | erpo | I'm experiencing frequent lockups. The mouse pointer doesn't even move in X. Memory tests fine. When I tap the caps lock key right after a lockup, it doesn't change the caps lock LED indicator (a test suggested earlier in this channel) indicating that the system is not responding to interrupts. What do I do now? |
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| 05:13.57 | klhrevolution | question: does $USER ALL=(ALL) ALL over ride $USER ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 05:14.04 | klhrevolution | or do I need both ? |
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| 05:14.59 | klhrevolution | or could I keep both? |
| 05:15.10 | dondelelcaro | klhrevolution: they're different; you probably want ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL; or something |
| 05:15.28 | heroxbd | Hello. I want to trace the x font selection process. What utility can I use? |
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| 05:16.06 | erpo | klhrevolution: Sorry. The sudoers man page is my least favorite man page every (and that includes man undocumented). ;) |
| 05:16.09 | heroxbd | My emacs suddenly looks ugly, I want to find out what caused the ugly font to be loaded. |
| 05:17.39 | klhrevolution | ?I like what dondelelcaro recommends. |
| 05:17.49 | erpo | heroxbd: You might have accidentally shift-left-clicked on the main emacs window. |
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| 05:17.59 | klhrevolution | makes more sense |
| 05:18.06 | dondelelcaro | klhrevolution: though honestly, I'd suggest avoiding using NOPASSWD: |
| 05:18.07 | heroxbd | for example, what font candidate is actually selected when I use *-fixed-medium-*....? |
| 05:18.39 | dondelelcaro | heroxbd: xfontsel -pattern *-fixed-medium-*; should tell you. |
| 05:18.52 | klhrevolution | I anticipated that being stated :) |
| 05:19.14 | dondelelcaro | (and if you need it, just list the specific commands that you need it for) |
| 05:19.20 | heroxbd | erpo: no I restart emacs. the ugly font is still there. I can shift-left-click to select a better one, but it does not keep up to be there after restart |
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| 05:19.45 | erpo | heroxbd: Sorry. That's the limit of my emacs font knowledge. |
| 05:19.51 | dondelelcaro | heroxbd: it's probably set in your .Xresources or similar |
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| 05:20.42 | klhrevolution | $USER ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 05:20.49 | klhrevolution | that correct right? |
| 05:21.11 | jim | what does the man page say? |
| 05:21.31 | heroxbd | dondelelcaro: There is no Xresources or Xdefaults. I am trying xfontsel... |
| 05:21.44 | klhrevolution | tha man page says a lot |
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| 05:22.18 | streuner | !be a man page barbie |
| 05:22.18 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
| 05:22.21 | Tapout | can I change my MTU to 9000 and it won't hurt the switch? My isp has the mtu 1500 ( i think it's auto neg'd..) .. I'm trying to get a speed increase on this 1Gb network |
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| 05:23.01 | jim | does it provide enough info for you to break down the thing you're checking and determine the meanings of each piece? |
| 05:23.38 | klhrevolution | obviously everything cannot be learned by reading. |
| 05:23.48 | klhrevolution | I do tank you for encouraging reading though |
| 05:24.08 | streuner | so you learn better without reading? |
| 05:24.15 | jim | so, you haven't tried yet? |
| 05:24.20 | klhrevolution | I never stated that. |
| 05:24.32 | klhrevolution | I'm here to ask for help |
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| 05:24.47 | klhrevolution | I did, now I'm getting the linux bull&%#@ |
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| 05:25.18 | jim | so, you haven't tried yet. |
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| 05:25.40 | klhrevolution | yes |
| 05:25.45 | klhrevolution | I HAVE TRIED |
| 05:25.51 | klhrevolution | ty for your non-help |
| 05:26.02 | itomato | uh oh, what did I miss? |
| 05:26.03 | jim | what was the result? |
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| 05:26.33 | markybob | itomato, you know...the whole fish/fishing thing. the usual :P |
| 05:26.35 | klhrevolution | the result is me still not being sure and having to enter this hell hole asking for an answer or guidance |
| 05:27.06 | itomato | guidance on what? |
| 05:27.11 | klhrevolution | sudo |
| 05:27.15 | klhrevolution | or visudo |
| 05:27.18 | jim | well then, if anything should encourage you to build your own skills, THAT should. |
| 05:27.18 | itomato | and? |
| 05:27.54 | markybob | klhrevolution, dondelelcaro did help you. what about what he said didnt work for you and how/what happened? |
| 05:28.08 | klhrevolution | yes thanks to dondelelcaro |
| 05:28.11 | itomato | have you tried #debian on the debian irc servers? |
| 05:28.45 | markybob | and insulting us probably isnt going to get you *more* help |
| 05:28.55 | klhrevolution | itomato: would it matter ? I would think the same people not helping others would be there annoying me |
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| 05:29.12 | klhrevolution | insulting lol |
| 05:29.49 | markybob | i'm still waiting for you to answer my question. or jim's for that matter |
| 05:30.03 | markybob | you keep rambling but not really saying anything that could help us help you |
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| 05:30.38 | itomato | I'm still waiting for even a summary of wtf the issue is, because I like helping :) |
| 05:31.03 | heroxbd | Another question: How can I what font file corespond to some font name? e.g.-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-8 |
| 05:31.14 | klhrevolution | I'm pretty sure I've already recieved the help |
| 05:31.24 | itomato | heroxbd: 'xfontsel' |
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| 05:31.59 | jim | klhrevolution, here's where this started a few minutes ago: you asked whether a specific form was correct or not, and then I asked you what the man page said about it, and eventually what the result of you trying to go that route was, and inbetween, whether you had tried reading the page to see whether what you had was a valid line in the sudo config |
| 05:32.28 | itomato | xfonts live in /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
| 05:32.31 | klhrevolution | yes, I should've been more clear |
| 05:33.58 | itomato | klhrevolution: sudo? be root for a while. |
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| 05:34.35 | heroxbd | itomato: Can I figure out what file in /usr/share/fonts/X11 provide what X font name? |
| 05:34.40 | klhrevolution | itomato: I was wondering whether or not if I what I had entered into visudo my override what I was attempting to do. |
| 05:34.55 | klhrevolution | if that made sense.. |
| 05:35.08 | itomato | it didn't, but I was re-re-reparsing.. |
| 05:35.13 | klhrevolution | :) |
| 05:36.32 | itomato | heroxbd - the line in xfontsel that looks like what you pasted describes the: family, the font, whether it's roman, italic, or bold, any other variation (condensed/semi-condensed, etc), the pixel size, the dpi, etc., etc. |
| 05:36.33 | heroxbd | itomato: Ah I see. It in fonts.dir :) |
| 05:36.46 | itomato | they are organized in those dirs by the dpi, etc.. yeah, you got it.. |
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| 05:37.06 | jim | klhrevolution: one part is, a person suggesting that you be root is at the same time fairly mean having seen that you're not willing to extend yourself toward your own ability, and is also going to be very instructive very quickly... I offer one caveat: back up your entire storage before you begin. |
| 05:37.27 | itomato | is only spending this much time in #debian because he is on a forced, extended, penniless vacation. |
| 05:37.37 | sChaaa | hola |
| 05:37.58 | sChaaa | dawn debian ssl ! |
| 05:38.13 | streuner | history |
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| 05:38.38 | klhrevolution | debian blunder.. |
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| 05:38.49 | itomato | klhrevolution - learn or be learned unto. breaking shit can be good for the spirit :) |
| 05:38.53 | klhrevolution | :) |
| 05:39.04 | heroxbd | Thanks itomato. Then can I probe into Xorg to see what the font just on the screen is? |
| 05:39.14 | klhrevolution | ?tmj274: and it was because they insist on monkeying around with the source code....................wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that they screwed up the nss libs on firefox too |
| 05:39.29 | jim | in fact it will be especially fun if you don't care what you break (like if you have a vserver running) |
| 05:39.32 | itomato | yeah, and there's a tool to do just that - xresource-something or another.. 'apt-cache search xresources' |
| 05:39.36 | klhrevolution | that is from a slacker friend of mine |
| 05:39.38 | klhrevolution | lol |
| 05:40.01 | Suprano | hi there |
| 05:40.21 | jim | that might be worth checking into. is your friend willing to look? |
| 05:40.31 | sChaaa | I just don't understand using a public key RSA 4096 Key when i'm trying to log connection closed ! when I mv /etc/ssh/blacklist.DSA-1024 /etc/ssh/_blacklist.DSA-1024 => OK !!! |
| 05:40.38 | klhrevolution | considering he is using slackware my guess is no |
| 05:40.53 | sChaaa | key generated on openbsd :x |
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| 05:41.11 | Suprano | i've installed another linux distro on a partition and also put its own bootloader on this partition. i tryed then to use the "default" bootloader which boots my debian to chainload the one for the other distro |
| 05:41.17 | piju | anybody got apps for using barcode scanner ? |
| 05:41.17 | itomato | shouldn't matter sChaaa |
| 05:41.18 | jim | he offered the comment... I request that you either ask him or have him join so I can |
| 05:41.28 | itomato | piju: yeah! |
| 05:41.38 | piju | itomato; got ? |
| 05:41.40 | itomato | is it a wedge scanner? |
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| 05:41.52 | \amethyst | sChaaa: if you use ssh -vvv does that confirm that it's using the RSA key and not some other key? |
| 05:41.53 | piju | it is scanner like gun |
| 05:42.03 | \amethyst | sChaaa: also, is it possible that the machine has a bad host key? |
| 05:42.05 | piju | itomato; do u know some thing to work with that gun ? |
| 05:42.12 | itomato | piju - does it plug into USB, serial, or keyboard port? |
| 05:42.13 | klhrevolution | I posted here in good spirit and a harmless jab |
| 05:42.28 | piju | itomato; USB or keyboard port |
| 05:42.28 | sChaaa | trying -vvv \amethyst |
| 05:42.40 | itomato | good spirited, harmless jabs are how IRC flame wars get started :) |
| 05:42.41 | klhrevolution | not really sure I'd recommend user jim to many folks.. |
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| 05:43.18 | itomato | piju, if it plugs into keyboard or usb, any data you scan should appear as typed on a keyboard |
| 05:43.21 | streuner | dude, go away |
| 05:43.21 | jim | klhrevolution: why? because I challenged you? |
| 05:43.26 | voraistos | Hi everybody.. Anyone heard any problems related to fastcgi/lighttpd ? |
| 05:43.38 | itomato | like I said.. |
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| 05:43.53 | itomato | using fastcgi with lightppd? |
| 05:44.08 | voraistos | i swear i did everything as usual but lighty complains and wont start if mod_fastcgi is activated :( |
| 05:44.33 | jim | oh he's msging me now :) let's see... |
| 05:44.41 | itomato | voraistos - check logs |
| 05:44.44 | wd | reading mail in the NewbieDoc.. postfix and getmail is recomd for easy setup.. i see i have exim4 what do you vets recomd? |
| 05:44.52 | itomato | exim4 |
| 05:45.01 | itomato | or postfix. it's easier, probably. |
| 05:45.15 | wd | itomato: ok |
| 05:45.24 | voraistos | itomato: lighty simply tells me fastcgi isn't there |
| 05:45.32 | wd | itomato: what do u use? |
| 05:45.37 | voraistos | and it doesnt seem to be anywhere indeed. |
| 05:45.43 | jim | he's claiming that I insulted him but it's his fault... I agree: no one can insult you without your permission |
| 05:45.45 | itomato | wd : I don't anymore |
| 05:45.52 | itomato | anything but sendmail :) |
| 05:45.54 | piju | thanks itomato |
| 05:45.55 | piju | :) |
| 05:46.07 | zd32nv | i was under the impression that lenny was going through a semi-freeze. So many updated packages recently. |
| 05:46.16 | jim | btw, where exactly did I insult you? |
| 05:46.20 | itomato | voraistos - check perms and attribs |
| 05:46.39 | wd | itomato: ok. trying to stick to console.. in case gui/X crashes i'm on a slow laptop. |
| 05:46.39 | klhrevolution | jim: by "challenging me" |
| 05:46.46 | jim | which line? |
| 05:46.55 | klhrevolution | lol |
| 05:47.14 | voraistos | actually... tell me, I dont have to install the apache mod, do I ? (using lighttpd, but package names can be misleading) |
| 05:47.20 | itomato | take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 05:47.33 | zd32nv | preferably |
| 05:47.35 | itomato | doesn't bother with ignore |
| 05:47.41 | zd32nv | i went through something similar with jim a while ago |
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| 05:47.59 | klhrevolution | well thanks to those who offered their assistance |
| 05:48.05 | jim | zd32nv: and what was the result? |
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| 05:48.18 | streuner | omg |
| 05:48.33 | zd32nv | you were wrong, but your supporters cut you some slack considering your age |
| 05:48.50 | zd32nv | ot: isn't lenny going through a semi-freeze atm? |
| 05:48.57 | heroxbd | itomato: I do not find the utility to query current X resourse. And xresourse-** gives nothing. I'm on Sid |
| 05:49.04 | itomato | zd32nv - hadn;t heard |
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| 05:49.30 | MTecknology | is selinux not available for debian? |
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| 05:49.43 | streuner | sure, it is |
| 05:49.49 | streuner | !selinux |
| 05:49.49 | dpkg | methinks selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 05:49.56 | itomato | zd32nv - i did notice a few minutes ago that there are a few packages (SystemImager) not available in Lenny |
| 05:50.32 | zd32nv | MTecknology: heed that last warning. don't half-heartedly install it unless you're willing to fix your system afterwards |
| 05:50.33 | streuner | hm, that factoid miss manoj's URL |
| 05:50.45 | jim | zd32nv: I've been wrong before... so what did I do, ask you the same question I asked the other guy? whether you had read up? |
| 05:50.47 | itomato | SELinux is a nightmare |
| 05:50.51 | MTecknology | zd32nv, ya, I've had it happen - i recovered too |
| 05:51.05 | markybob | it's not that lenny's been frozen, it's that sid has been seriously broken, so packages couldnt transition. |
| 05:51.06 | heroxbd | itomato: Ahhhh. Is it appres? Maybe I have found it. |
| 05:51.21 | MTecknology | zd32nv, i tried to install it though, not found |
| 05:51.25 | markybob | (perl/python version upgrades, etc) |
| 05:51.32 | itomato | heroxbd - perhaps. It's an old utility that will dump the X attributes of any window, etc. |
| 05:51.34 | jim | markybob: so they're backpaddling for a minute? |
| 05:51.36 | zd32nv | jim: not really. more like an insult to my intelligence..but you had misread my question. it's a non-issue now |
| 05:51.49 | sChaaa | I think I got a bug |
| 05:51.52 | MTecknology | nvm - found it |
| 05:52.02 | voraistos | itomato: to be honest, the thing just pissed me off and i suspected the pre-installed debian to be bugged... so now it's reinstalling. muahahaha when computers annoy me, they die. thankfuly this one is a 1000 kilometres away, so i cant actually set it on fire. (and cpuburn doesnt always work). |
| 05:52.10 | streuner | dpkg, selinux is also http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 05:52.10 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 05:52.15 | jim | zd32nv: did you see what I did just now with that other guy as an insult? |
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| 05:52.33 | markybob | jim, no, but a packages has to be installable without breaking stuff for two weeks before moving to testing. with core packages like perl/python, that took a while |
| 05:52.41 | sChaaa | ssh with pub key to a openbsd ok, another debian ok, this bad debian which was working before update & key change nok |
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| 05:52.49 | zd32nv | jim: yeah, i got a whiff of the hormones |
| 05:52.56 | jim | (you characterized it as "similar": how so?) |
| 05:53.19 | sChaaa | the /etc/ssh/blacklist.DSA-1024 /etc/ssh/_blacklist.DSA-1024 make it work |
| 05:53.25 | itomato | sChaaa - there should be some checklist/troubleshooting guide available by now |
| 05:53.45 | zd32nv | jim: do you really want me to clarify? |
| 05:53.52 | zd32nv | I've not the time for it |
| 05:53.53 | jim | absoilutely |
| 05:53.59 | \amethyst | there is a partial freeze in place |
| 05:54.07 | zd32nv | \amethyst: i thought so |
| 05:54.12 | \amethyst | on essential and udeb packages |
| 05:54.13 | \amethyst | http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/freeze |
| 05:54.36 | jim | \amethyst: so that would be the installer and part of the base? |
| 05:54.40 | sChaaa | where can I report this bug ? |
| 05:55.15 | \amethyst | jim: yes, including perl |
| 05:55.15 | fireba11 | sChaaa: it's probably just you being stupid, but we can't tell from your confused explanation in bad english :-) |
| 05:55.31 | jim | hmm, how much of the base is that? |
| 05:55.43 | sChaaa | possible fireba11 :) |
| 05:55.53 | \amethyst | jim: take a look at the britney link I just pasted |
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| 05:56.16 | streuner | sChaaa: what's your native language? |
| 05:56.23 | sChaaa | french |
| 05:56.27 | streuner | !fr |
| 05:56.28 | dpkg | [fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:56.37 | sChaaa | :) |
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| 05:57.26 | streuner | Don't worry, i want learn french, but it need some time |
| 05:58.18 | jim | dere's ess cue elle in dat linc |
| 05:58.20 | \amethyst | jim: it includes openssh and openssl (because of udebs), but openssl has already been pushed through |
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| 05:58.51 | zd32nv | Où sont les toilettes ? |
| 05:59.09 | jim | !fr |
| 05:59.09 | dpkg | well, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 06:01.45 | itomato | jim et al, is there a concise guide to what dpkg (the bot) is capable of? |
| 06:01.51 | norc | Hello. I presume that the nvidia driver still isn't in Debian Testing? |
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| 06:02.10 | streuner | norc: pdo would tell you about |
| 06:02.17 | jim | \amethyst: how can I determine if there is a package in the base install of lenny which is not frozen? |
| 06:02.19 | streuner | !pdo |
| 06:02.19 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 06:02.26 | norc | Ah. |
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| 06:02.53 | jim | itomato, to begin with, /msg dpkg help |
| 06:03.11 | norc | streuner: Is there any other way to obtain that information? |
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| 06:03.46 | jim | listkeys <string> and listvals <string> are good for searches |
| 06:03.48 | itomato | jim - t'anks |
| 06:04.04 | jim | np |
| 06:04.06 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx testing |
| 06:04.37 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'nvidia-glx' does not exist. |
| 06:04.46 | norc | streuner: I see, thank you very much. |
| 06:04.53 | streuner | np |
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| 06:05.56 | alaya | if i have experimental sources added, how can i apt-cache search for anything that is in experimental repos? |
| 06:06.45 | streuner | norc: do you use a nvidia videocard and X doesn't work? |
| 06:07.20 | \amethyst | jim: moment, coming up with a script |
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| 06:07.30 | norc | streuner: Well, my computer at home does not have internet. Im trying to get to know whether I can upgrade to Lenny because I need some newer packages, that are not supported by Backports. |
| 06:07.54 | norc | streuner: Apparently I have no reason but to swap to Ubuntu for the time being |
| 06:08.39 | streuner | norc: there is simple sid backport |
| 06:08.50 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 06:08.50 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 06:09.13 | \amethyst | jim: hm, problem is the britney list is source packages... I'm trying to come up with a way to get a list of the source packages for all priority required packages |
| 06:09.33 | norc | streuner: I know about sid backport, but unfortunately I made some very bad experience with it. |
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| 06:09.41 | streuner | norc: hm |
| 06:10.08 | norc | streuner: Perhabs I did something wrong, but this is my ony workstation with no access to internet. |
| 06:10.14 | norc | streuner: I cant afford to break anything |
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| 06:10.23 | norc | s/ony/only/ |
| 06:10.30 | streuner | ic |
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| 06:10.50 | norc | So it seems I have to use Ubuntu until the packages are backported or Nvidia is in testnig. |
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| 06:11.20 | norc | Or I wait another 8 years until they all get in the next stable release. |
| 06:11.46 | streuner | "nv" should be fine, specially for a box you need to work, not to play |
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| 06:12.41 | \amethyst | hm... how *do* you programmatically determine the source package for a given binary package in the archive? |
| 06:13.36 | norc | streuner: Mhmm.. I should try it again. Last time I tried it was very slow, just moving windows and stuff. But that was under Gentoo. So I suppose it would be worth a try |
| 06:13.42 | \amethyst | I mean, other than parsing the Sources files by hand |
| 06:14.01 | markybob | \amethyst, apt-cache show lists the source package as "Source" |
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| 06:14.21 | markybob | \amethyst, you could parse that. unless i dont follow what you mean |
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| 06:15.02 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:15.34 | \amethyst | markybob: I guess that will work... I had hoped aptitude would have a format code for it, but of course it doesn't, because aptitude knows jack all about source packages |
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| 06:16.08 | BubbaT | If I do not have an NTFS fs how can I tell if the stuff needed to read NTFS is included in my installation? |
| 06:16.24 | havocologe | what would be a good traffic monitoring programm? |
| 06:16.37 | streuner | iptraf |
| 06:16.38 | norc | BubbaT: the proper ntfs module ships with the kernel. |
| 06:16.53 | streuner | norc: why not just get these packages out of unstable? |
| 06:17.26 | norc | streuner: What do you mean? |
| 06:17.41 | streuner | get the debs and install it by hand |
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| 06:17.53 | BubbaT | orc, actually I am running a debianlive iso image under qemu and want to see if it has NTFS support built in. |
| 06:18.03 | _apk | 'morning! |
| 06:18.03 | norc | streuner: I believe there is a reason why these packages were thrown into the unstable branch |
| 06:18.12 | markybob | BubbaT, read, yes. write, no |
| 06:18.14 | norc | streuner: Messing around with packages is the reason why I stopped using Gentoo ;) |
| 06:18.23 | norc | BubbaT: For write support you need either captive or ntfs-3g |
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| 06:19.35 | BubbaT | exactly, I would like to see if either is installed by default. |
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| 06:21.01 | markybob | am i devoiced, or just being ignored? wtf :P |
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| 06:21.52 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, i dont think you will find ntfs support built in. . you will find read only support |
| 06:21.53 | norc | markybob: Apparently he wants to know which packages the debian cd contains. |
| 06:22.10 | \amethyst | jim: aptitude search ~prequired -F %p | xargs apt-cache show | sed -n 's/^Source: \([^ ]*\).*/\1/p' | grep -vxF -f <(wget -O- http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/freeze | sed -n 's/^block //p') |
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| 06:22.30 | \amethyst | jim: or whatever search pattern you want instead of ~prequired |
| 06:22.33 | norc | BubbaT: Why dont you use the magic tool apt to check whether it is installed. :-) |
| 06:22.33 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, if you want read write you have to install ntfs-3g like norc said. . . but seriously if you have an internet connection no debian package is far away |
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| 06:23.05 | norc | Lagbolt: Easy to tell. Is there a way withuot debian to retrieve a package with all required dependencies in all depths? |
| 06:23.09 | markybob | \amethyst, nice |
| 06:23.33 | \amethyst | norc: apt-get -d then take them out of the cache directory? |
| 06:23.53 | streuner | he don't have i-net on that box... |
| 06:24.02 | Lagbolt | \amethyst, does that not bring in dependancies? |
| 06:24.08 | Lagbolt | norc, you can go to packages.debian.org |
| 06:24.13 | Lagbolt | look up and download the .deb |
| 06:24.16 | \amethyst | oh, without debian |
| 06:24.43 | streuner | packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 06:24.45 | norc | streuner: Well, that question was merely hypothetical |
| 06:24.52 | streuner | ok |
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| 06:25.36 | BubbaT | Lagbolt, it is very far away if you are working off a liveCD which does not include it. |
| 06:26.16 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, what does ntfs support have to do with internet? i would think a liveCD has internet setup long as you have supported net card |
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| 06:26.53 | Lagbolt | as long as your net connection works you have access to all debian packages including ntfs-3g |
| 06:27.35 | Lagbolt | anyone using a laptop want to do hddtemp and tell me what they get . . . trying to find out if 49 degrees is common |
| 06:28.01 | tarzeau | Lagbolt: yes it is: |
| 06:28.07 | Lagbolt | excellent :) |
| 06:28.16 | Lagbolt | just used to my 32 degrees in desktop lol |
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| 06:28.20 | tarzeau | Lagbolt: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 06:28.23 | Lagbolt | figured it would be hotter, just not sure how hot |
| 06:28.52 | BubbaT | Lagbolt how do you think it is going to install the package? |
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| 06:29.15 | norc | Lets assume I wanted to change from Debian Stable to Ubuntu for newer packages. Would it be any different for me? Or are they so much alike, that I wouldn't necessarily notice the difference? |
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| 06:29.26 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, so you have no internet access? or is this livecd somewhere not here cause i see you online :) |
| 06:29.35 | norc | Or is messing with debs, sid backporting and everything a better choice? |
| 06:29.35 | tarzeau | norc: if you don't have a laptop, don't bother |
| 06:29.43 | itomato | norc - weird things will happen if you do. |
| 06:29.50 | tarzeau | norc: never mix |
| 06:29.58 | markybob | norc, dont ask us. how would we know about what a ubuntu system is like? |
| 06:30.05 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 06:30.05 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 06:30.06 | tarzeau | norc: run debian stable, or debian testing, or ubuntu, but never ever mix |
| 06:30.20 | BubbaT | says "what an idiot!". |
| 06:30.25 | norc | tarzeau: I dont intend to mix, I tend to switch. Sorry, didnt meant o use the word "upgrade" :) |
| 06:30.49 | BubbaT | apt-error-message: cannot install in /usr/bin because it is read only. |
| 06:30.51 | itomato | norc: I have done what you propose back during ubu 6.10, and while some things work - it's best to avoid. |
| 06:30.52 | tarzeau | norc: well it's true that currently ubuntu has later software in their current stable release |
| 06:31.07 | itomato | it's strayed too far.. |
| 06:31.11 | tarzeau | norc: for desktop stuff it's nice, but debian stable should be more up to date with the lenny release soon |
| 06:31.15 | tarzeau | !lenny |
| 06:31.15 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
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| 06:31.26 | tarzeau | september 2008? |
| 06:31.28 | Lagbolt | norc, before i would go all the way to unstable why not use testing :) |
| 06:31.33 | norc | Uh, Sept 2008? |
| 06:31.43 | tarzeau | in your dreams |
| 06:31.55 | norc | This is a major breakthrough. The first debian stable that does not take 8 years until it is actually declared stable! :o |
| 06:32.00 | itomato | tarzeau - yes! "remember etch" |
| 06:32.05 | Lagbolt | norc, i use testing and it works great . . . i have unstable source as well to pull in nvidia driver but otherwise all testing and everything is nice and shiny and mostly new |
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| 06:32.35 | tarzeau | itomato: what about it? |
| 06:33.20 | norc | Lagbolt: Uhm ok. Don't take it personally if I have some Ubuntu CDs standing by, in case I dont get lucky with unstable sources ;) |
| 06:33.20 | itomato | tarzeau - the length of time it took to become "stable" release |
| 06:33.20 | itomato | BTW - are you in debian-live? |
| 06:33.20 | tarzeau | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 06:33.20 | tarzeau | itomato: me? yes, i do the livecd.gnustep.org with debian-live |
| 06:33.29 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:33.41 | Lagbolt | ubuntu cd's eh |
| 06:33.52 | itomato | I know - I wanted to ask you about your source control and pick your brain about keeping things moving.. |
| 06:34.08 | tarzeau | itomato: go ahead, you can ask me... |
| 06:34.22 | norc | tarzeau: Its really a nice idea, but I cant exactly wait half a year. |
| 06:34.27 | tarzeau | itomato: the latest gnustep tarballs are not too good, they're in experimental though |
| 06:34.39 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, your live cd sucks if it is read only :) i like live cd's with ram drives so i can use them |
| 06:34.42 | tarzeau | norc: people run testing, and sid... i didn't say you should |
| 06:35.15 | norc | tarzeau: I ran with testing for a long time, until nvidia-glx got thrown out. |
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| 06:35.34 | tarzeau | norc: and debian kernels? i386? amd64? other? |
| 06:35.49 | iateadonu1 | does anyone recognize this programming language: |
| 06:35.49 | norc | tarzeau: i386 |
| 06:35.49 | iateadonu1 | Start ORG 0x00 |
| 06:35.49 | iateadonu1 | BSF 03,5 |
| 06:35.51 | Lagbolt | norc, how experienced are you? there is a lot of debate about using testing or unstable. . . personally i like to learn and ran unstable for a while after woody was soooo old. never any serious trouble for what i use. |
| 06:36.14 | Lagbolt | norc, testing has never caused me a problem, but i do not use any software with huge amounts of dependencies |
| 06:36.22 | norc | Lagbolt: I wouldn't consider myself experienced. But if it does not require as much time as Gentoo does I would consider trying. |
| 06:36.28 | Lagbolt | so if you want to run kde or something as large as that i would be more careful |
| 06:37.12 | norc | Lagbolt: I run openbox :) |
| 06:37.16 | Lagbolt | and long as you make sure when you do upgrades you are paying close attention to what it wants to remove and change. if you do then you should be ok specially if you have some experience |
| 06:37.33 | Lagbolt | lol norc openbox! nice :) i used to run blackbox back in the day. you should be ok for sure |
| 06:38.51 | jerome | norc: go ahead, consider installing tools like apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
| 06:39.15 | norc | The biggest problem is, that I need a stable solution in which can take my computer to some buddy, install the new operating system with packages, and be able to use the machine without internet. |
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| 06:39.26 | norc | At least for a month, until I have internet. |
| 06:39.28 | jerome | they would warn you about packages already known in the debian bug tracking system to have problems |
| 06:39.43 | markybob | norc, you realize you're on the internet now, right? |
| 06:39.43 | norc | jerome: Didn't know about them, thanks :) |
| 06:39.46 | markybob | :P |
| 06:39.52 | norc | markybob: you realize that this is not my workstation. |
| 06:39.55 | norc | right? |
| 06:40.09 | markybob | damn. i forgot this was humor free night in #debian |
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| 06:40.30 | Lagbolt | norc, you want to install debian testing without internet for a buddy |
| 06:40.34 | Lagbolt | is that what you are up to |
| 06:40.34 | norc | Its 10:49am. Not exactly considered night in these days |
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| 06:40.34 | Lagbolt | ? |
| 06:40.41 | jerome | markybob: already 8AM there, humor comes back with morning coffee :) |
| 06:40.50 | markybob | jerome, ah :) |
| 06:41.16 | Lagbolt | norc, in that case i would download the debian testing installer cd/dvd set lol |
| 06:41.22 | norc | Lagbolt: No, but he has got internet. So I take my machine to his place, install ubuntu, or debian testing (whatever), and use his internet to install all packages with deps |
| 06:41.32 | norc | Lagbolt: I nede a lot of very specific packages :) |
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| 06:41.57 | Lagbolt | sounds like a good time |
| 06:42.01 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 06:42.08 | Lagbolt | i like installing lol |
| 06:42.13 | Lagbolt | yay installfest |
| 06:42.26 | norc | Something tells me, that I should take Ubuntu until I have internet, to be able to mess aroung with my packages |
| 06:43.07 | Lagbolt | woah, dude flew over the alps with a rocket jet pack |
| 06:43.13 | norc | Well, I'll give one large apt-get install command, get a pizza and watch monty python |
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| 06:44.27 | norc | Somtimes I have this weird feeling, that i have to install all packages in the repositories, just because their names or descriptions sound interesting. |
| 06:44.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:44.35 | dpkg | <nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system? |
| 06:44.38 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 06:44.50 | tarzeau | norc: what package got your attention lately? |
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| 06:45.31 | tarzeau | iateadonu1: assembly? |
| 06:45.33 | entro | hi all |
| 06:45.36 | norc | tarzeau: The latest one is postgresql. |
| 06:45.50 | tarzeau | norc: but that's in debian for ages |
| 06:45.57 | norc | tarzeau: but not 8.3 :) |
| 06:46.04 | EstEx | Question: can I apt-get install an i686 kernel and choose between it and my current at boot? |
| 06:46.14 | norc | EstEx: use either grub or lilo |
| 06:46.21 | tarzeau | EstEx: sure, if you have at least a pentium 2 cpu |
| 06:46.30 | EstEx | lol |
| 06:46.37 | tarzeau | EstEx: and it's not amd64/ia64 |
| 06:46.38 | iateadonu1 | tarzeau: yes, i guess. if i wanted to get a book on that, what would i look for on amazon? |
| 06:47.01 | tarzeau | iateadonu1: get the "The C Language" book instead :) |
| 06:47.05 | tarzeau | from k&r |
| 06:47.12 | EstEx | well i do have an amd64 processor, but im running i486 debian i believe |
| 06:47.16 | EstEx | maybe its i386.... |
| 06:47.21 | tarzeau | iateadonu1: you don't need it unless you do very special stuff |
| 06:47.22 | norc | tarzeau: 8.3.1 has soem pretty neat featrues that I want / need. |
| 06:47.37 | tarzeau | norc: which ones? |
| 06:47.45 | enouf | tarzeau: amd64 OS (arch) you mean, not CPU .. ;-) |
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| 06:47.59 | norc | tarzeau: Such as included FTS, Enum Types, lot of fixed bugs in the planner |
| 06:48.00 | tarzeau | enouf: yes right |
| 06:48.01 | enouf | EstEx: that's fine |
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| 06:49.10 | tarzeau | norc: 3d gaming? multimedia stuff? |
| 06:49.18 | iateadonu1 | tarzeau: it's for a low-level embedded system. |
| 06:49.26 | iateadonu1 | a chip in a piano. |
| 06:49.32 | norc | tarzeau: Yes, thats what I need postgresql for. |
| 06:49.42 | norc | Especially the enum types help with the rendering |
| 06:49.42 | tarzeau | iateadonu1: then yes, well make sure you get the RIGHT assembly book |
| 06:49.51 | EstEx | So what is the name of the kernel package i need to hunt down? Better yet, what exactly could i search google for? |
| 06:49.56 | tarzeau | norc: haha. i mean do you also do such things? |
| 06:50.01 | Tapout | anyone know great tweaks for 1Gb servers running debian? I can't push my debian network ... and it's not IO bound, raid+10 ... |
| 06:50.04 | tarzeau | norc: sql is so out of my interest |
| 06:50.15 | enouf | EstEx: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:50.15 | tarzeau | Tapout: 1gb diskspace or memory? |
| 06:50.24 | norc | tarzeau: Hehe. Well, watching movies is requried, but I will use mplayer for that, that will suffice. |
| 06:50.25 | Tapout | 16GB ram |
| 06:50.34 | Tapout | 1Gb network |
| 06:50.39 | EstEx | in CLI? |
| 06:50.43 | markybob | holy hell i'm jealous |
| 06:50.44 | Tapout | isp says you can make sysctl tweaks |
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| 06:51.02 | norc | tarzeau: and I focus on 2d gaming actually. |
| 06:51.02 | tarzeau | Tapout: i can get 100mb/s on my gbit network easily, both ways... |
| 06:51.07 | tarzeau | Tapout: which driver/nic? |
| 06:51.10 | EstEx | enouf: google? |
| 06:51.22 | tarzeau | norc: i see, tried hex-a-hop yet? |
| 06:51.25 | enouf | EstEx: in ytour irc client |
| 06:51.38 | Tapout | e1000: 0000:04:00.1: e1000_probe: (PCI Express:2.5Gb/s:Width x4) 00:30:48:c1:42:c1 |
| 06:51.38 | Tapout | e1000: eth1: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
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| 06:51.46 | enouf | !tell EstEx -about search |
| 06:51.52 | norc | tarzeau: err. no. |
| 06:51.55 | Tapout | tarzeau, how do I probe the driver? |
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| 06:51.59 | iateadonu1 | tarzeau: how do i know which one is the right book? |
| 06:52.01 | enouf | EstEx: get that? |
| 06:52.05 | dimir | !tell dimir to fsck off |
| 06:52.12 | tarzeau | Tapout: why probe it? what says ifconfig -a ? |
| 06:52.19 | dimir | :-D |
| 06:52.22 | dimir | Polite bot. |
| 06:52.26 | tarzeau | iateadonu1: you need to figure what cpu it is exactly then search for that? |
| 06:52.27 | norc | treyka: I dont try games, I have two games that will do just fine until I kick off. |
| 06:52.34 | EstEx | i typed it into irc client and nothing appeared to have happened |
| 06:52.39 | tarzeau | norc: which are those? |
| 06:52.48 | norc | tarzeau: xilot and nethack |
| 06:52.56 | norc | s/xilot/xpilot/ |
| 06:52.57 | tarzeau | norc: have you ascended in nethack? |
| 06:53.06 | norc | tarzeau: The question is rather how many times |
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| 06:53.12 | tarzeau | norc: you should really try powder, it's very much like nethack, but with 2d graphic tiles |
| 06:53.16 | tarzeau | norc: i see |
| 06:53.22 | enouf | EstEx: might need to be registered |
| 06:53.26 | enouf | and identified |
| 06:53.38 | iateadonu1 | tarzeau: thanks. i really appreciate it. "assembly language" was the key word i needed to make the search much much easier. |
| 06:53.38 | norc | tarzeau: Powder, which is almost entirely, but not quite, unlike nethack. |
| 06:53.53 | enouf | EstEx: you didn't get a PM from [dpkg] that i sent you? |
| 06:53.56 | Tapout | tarzeau, i'm using a pastebin, sec |
| 06:54.04 | \amethyst | tarzeau: nethack has 2D graphic tiles |
| 06:54.09 | EstEx | no |
| 06:54.13 | enouf | !search |
| 06:54.13 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 06:54.15 | tarzeau | \amethyst: i know |
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| 06:54.16 | norc | \amethyst: Thats a lie. |
| 06:54.29 | Tapout | tarzeau, my ifconfig -a : http://www.nopaste.com/p/a2fLg8FRk |
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| 06:54.38 | enouf | EstEx: see that? )^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:54.48 | tarzeau | Tapout: isn't that your gbit interface, do you have more than one? |
| 06:55.02 | Tapout | ya i got 2 .. but eth0 is what i'm testing |
| 06:55.03 | norc | tarzeau: what Im trying to say is, I like nethack the way it is. I tried a few forks, but didnt like them |
| 06:55.12 | tarzeau | norc: full ack |
| 06:55.15 | Tapout | i got 2 machines... i can't get the speeds I should be able too |
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| 06:55.32 | \amethyst | norc: have you tried other roguelikes like angband and its derivatives? |
| 06:55.48 | norc | \amethyst: a few, dont recall their names anyway. |
| 06:55.49 | enouf | EstEx: regging and ident will make your life much easier; do /ns register help |
| 06:55.51 | tarzeau | norc: NetHack.app was the only one i also liked: http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/slides/nethack.html |
| 06:56.01 | EstEx | enouf: im using irssi. |
| 06:56.06 | EstEx | hehe, alright |
| 06:56.15 | norc | tarzeau: are you trynig to mock me? :( |
| 06:56.21 | enouf | EstEx: or /join #freenode and ask |
| 06:56.25 | tarzeau | norc: not at all |
| 06:56.26 | \amethyst | norc: I find zangband to be a nice diversion from a difficult game of nethack :) |
| 06:56.36 | Tapout | tarzeau, did you do any configs to peak out your 1Gb network? |
| 06:56.40 | EstEx | enouf: Thank you. |
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| 06:56.47 | tarzeau | Tapout: nope |
| 06:56.50 | Tapout | i'm with softlayer and the private network sucks , they suggest tweaks |
| 06:56.53 | enouf | np |
| 06:56.57 | tarzeau | Tapout: switched gbit network, mostly intel nics |
| 06:57.11 | tarzeau | Tapout: the nvidia gbit ones only reached half of the speed (at least on gnu/kfreebsd drivers) |
| 06:57.31 | tarzeau | Tapout: they got a pxe boot issue, so we don't use it on the regulard managed workstations |
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| 06:57.41 | tarzeau | Tapout: disks must be able to achive the speeds of course |
| 06:57.42 | Tapout | is there a way to re-autonegotiate all nics without a reboot? maybe it's messed up with autoneg |
| 06:57.43 | norc | \amethyst: For some reason the first hit on `angbang wiki |
| 06:57.50 | norc | is some sexual topic. |
| 06:57.55 | Tapout | ya my disks can blaze |
| 06:57.57 | tarzeau | Tapout: do you have cisco hardware? or sun sparc? |
| 06:57.58 | norc | Why didn't I see that coming. :( |
| 06:58.00 | Tapout | raid+10 |
| 06:58.09 | tarzeau | Tapout: well what speeds do you reach? |
| 06:58.09 | Tapout | they have cisco hardware for the switches and stuff |
| 06:58.15 | tarzeau | Tapout: and how do you test? iptraf? |
| 06:58.30 | Tapout | i was getting 3-5MB/sec .. I did tweaks and got over 10GB ... |
| 06:58.31 | Tapout | ya iptraf |
| 06:58.34 | tarzeau | Tapout: my speedtest is: speedtest='echo "`curl -sS -m3 -o/dev/null http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/gnustep/GNUSTEP-i486-1.8.iso 2>&1 | awk '\''{print $(NF-5)}'\''` / 3 / 1024 / 1024" | bc' |
| 06:58.51 | tarzeau | Tapout: that's very very low |
| 06:58.54 | \amethyst | norc: angband, and angbang :) |
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| 06:59.01 | tarzeau | Tapout: you do have switches or hubs? |
| 06:59.24 | markybob | i doubt someone with 16GB of ram is using a hub :P |
| 06:59.28 | tarzeau | Tapout: is that smb? nfs? http? or what? |
| 06:59.38 | tarzeau | markybob: you can never know for sure |
| 06:59.41 | Tapout | it's ftp |
| 06:59.43 | Tapout | ncftpput |
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| 06:59.48 | Tapout | ncftpput -> vsftpd |
| 06:59.52 | norc | \amethyst: looks quite interesting, I might try it some time |
| 06:59.52 | tarzeau | Tapout: and both sides have gbit? |
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| 07:00.00 | tarzeau | Tapout: and can achive the speed by disks? |
| 07:00.04 | Tapout | it's all tier 1 grade hardware.. cisco and all that |
| 07:00.14 | Tapout | ya both sides have 1Gb |
| 07:00.21 | tarzeau | Tapout: the link leds show gbit link? |
| 07:00.28 | Tapout | I did a speedtest with dd, 155MB/sec on the disks |
| 07:00.43 | Tapout | i'm remote tarzeau , i can't see the leds |
| 07:00.50 | \amethyst | norc: it's "wider" but not as "deep" as nethack... there are more monsters, more levels, etc., but the gameplay isn't as involved |
| 07:01.10 | Tapout | tarzeau, i think it's the auto window sizing .. it doesn't scale high enough for this network |
| 07:01.13 | Tapout | or whatever the setting is... |
| 07:01.15 | norc | \amethyst: *spoiler warning* ;) |
| 07:01.24 | Tapout | dynamic window sizes in the tcp settings... rmem/whatever else |
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| 07:01.51 | tarzeau | Tapout: you're sure it's all full duplex? |
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| 07:02.05 | Tapout | ethtool reporting full duplex, no collisions or anything |
| 07:02.16 | Tapout | tarzeau, what is your MTU ? |
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| 07:02.25 | tarzeau | Tapout: 1500 |
| 07:02.28 | norc | \amethyst: but I havent found any reference to "angbang" - which I suppose is a joke? |
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| 07:02.32 | tarzeau | justl like yours |
| 07:02.34 | Tapout | i've read that they say you should use 9000 MTU with 1Gb .. but i dunno if it messes up the switch |
| 07:02.40 | fstab | hi |
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| 07:02.48 | lodder_ | Good morging |
| 07:02.54 | fstab | morning |
| 07:03.01 | dererk | gmorning |
| 07:03.04 | tarzeau | Tapout: you have debian and a 2.6 linux kernel? |
| 07:03.10 | Tapout | etch |
| 07:03.14 | tarzeau | Tapout: you transfer one large file, not many small ones? |
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| 07:03.26 | tarzeau | Tapout: network performance goes down the drain on small files |
| 07:03.32 | \amethyst | norc: angbang is a typo, either for angband or for a porn term |
| 07:03.45 | fstab | need a bit of help i tried to put my ath0 into monitor mode ifdown ath0 iwconfig ath0 mode monitor and it kicks back an error |
| 07:03.55 | Tapout | the last test was a large file ... and yes it peaks out.. and doesn't go any faster |
| 07:03.56 | Tapout | 2.6.9-67.0.7.ELsmp |
| 07:04.14 | dererk | fstab, could you paste that error? :) |
| 07:04.16 | norc | \amethyst: Ah. I see. |
| 07:04.19 | Tapout | i was testing on a 25GB file |
| 07:04.31 | markybob | did i mention i was jealous? |
| 07:04.46 | Tapout | markybob, jealous of whta |
| 07:04.50 | dererk | Tapout, ELsmp? is that Redhat? |
| 07:05.00 | fstab | yea sorry about that i was trying to copy it |
| 07:05.07 | Tapout | oh crap wrong putty screen |
| 07:05.07 | Tapout | lol |
| 07:05.08 | Tapout | sec |
| 07:05.08 | entro | does anyone know, why apt tries to remove 915resolution while upgrading of xserver-xorg on lenny? |
| 07:05.23 | dererk | ha |
| 07:05.24 | Tapout | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:05.35 | Tapout | dererk, nice eyeballing skills.. I can't believe I did that heh |
| 07:05.42 | Tapout | ya that was RHEL with ThePlanet ;) |
| 07:06.11 | fstab | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device ath0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 07:06.16 | dererk | Tapout, haha |
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| 07:06.44 | dererk | fstab, iwpriv ath | grep set_mode |
| 07:06.52 | fstab | okay |
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| 07:07.08 | Tapout | maybe vsftpd is throttled? I'll try wget'n |
| 07:07.08 | Tapout | or curl'n |
| 07:07.42 | norc | Is there any specific reason why wireless lan is such a pain in the butt? |
| 07:07.55 | fstab | ath no private ioctls. |
| 07:08.01 | Perhaps | anyone know of an ImageMagick package with no X dependancies? |
| 07:08.05 | dererk | norc, excellent question |
| 07:08.11 | entro | answering myself: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26572 (sorry for my blindness) |
| 07:08.15 | dererk | norc, too many vendors I think |
| 07:08.36 | fstab | aww sorry about that typo |
| 07:08.36 | dererk | take the situation of Bluetooth |
| 07:08.39 | fstab | one sec |
| 07:08.53 | dererk | _everything_ you take from street works :D |
| 07:09.15 | tarzeau | Perhaps: no |
| 07:09.16 | fstab | same thing no privat ioctls |
| 07:09.19 | dererk | but there are just a couple of (generic maybe) chips wrong there |
| 07:09.29 | tarzeau | Perhaps: what do you need to be able to do? |
| 07:09.42 | tarzeau | Perhaps: netpbm can do stuff without x deps i think |
| 07:09.42 | dererk | fstab, ath0, I forgot the "0" |
| 07:09.52 | dererk | tarzeau, hey :) |
| 07:09.54 | fstab | aww okay one sec |
| 07:10.17 | fstab | dererk what did i just do? |
| 07:10.30 | Perhaps | I wanna resize images on the command line |
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| 07:10.51 | dererk | fstab, "iwpriv ath", right one should have been "iwpriv ath0" |
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| 07:11.10 | dererk | Perhaps, imagegick is what you're looking for |
| 07:11.12 | fstab | yes i did that command it came back blank |
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| 07:11.42 | dererk | Perhaps, imagemagick* |
| 07:11.47 | Perhaps | imagemagick, I know... but the official package has a million dependancies I don't wanna install |
| 07:11.48 | dererk | fstab, uhmm |
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| 07:11.55 | Perhaps | kinda sucks |
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| 07:12.19 | fstab | ill try to run iwconfig ath0 mode monitor now |
| 07:12.26 | dererk | Perhaps, most of the graphic tools I know uses backended imagemagick |
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| 07:12.55 | dererk | fstab, could you paste the whole "iwpriv ath0" list on paste.debian.net ? |
| 07:13.12 | fstab | k |
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| 07:13.21 | alaya | apt-cache search results don't say what archive they are from. i have experimental added to sources and would like to know if they are being searched and, if so, what results are returned from them |
| 07:13.58 | Ronald | how to query which kernels are installed through apt, and which files they installed on a headless/x-less server? |
| 07:14.20 | dererk | alaya, you may use apt-cache policy pkg for specifics package |
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| 07:14.21 | fstab | dererk i just did a iwpriv ath0 ill paste now |
| 07:14.24 | markybob | Ronald, what does a kernel have to do with x? |
| 07:14.39 | dererk | fstab, on paste.debian.net please |
| 07:14.44 | Ronald | markybob: meaning i cannot use gui tools |
| 07:15.11 | markybob | Ronald, dpkg -l "linux-image-*" |grep ii |
| 07:15.28 | alaya | dererk: ah ok. that will work. |
| 07:15.29 | Ronald | ty |
| 07:15.40 | EstEx | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 07:15.53 | dererk | alaya, cool |
| 07:16.19 | dererk | EstEx, seems so :/ |
| 07:16.23 | Ronald | and how to list files belonging to a package ? |
| 07:16.28 | EstEx | =( |
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| 07:16.34 | dererk | Ronald, dpkg -L pkg |
| 07:16.35 | markybob | Ronald, dpkg -L man dpkg |
| 07:16.38 | fstab | http://paste.debian.net/3111/ here ya go dererk |
| 07:16.53 | dererk | yep, man wont hurt from time to time :P |
| 07:16.58 | wd | to mount samba box do i use smbfs or smbclient? |
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| 07:17.02 | alaya | also, this is just an idea, there is not a field in debian/control or any other place in package metadata for the date that the package was last updated? it would be nice to be able, for example, to not install any packages that have not been updated over X amount of time |
| 07:17.27 | markybob | alaya, date's in debian/changelog |
| 07:17.42 | dererk | wd, I *think* you may mount it just with smbfs |
| 07:17.45 | alaya | because in the OS world it tends to happen a lot that people just forget about projects. they get old and crusty, but still are in the archives. |
| 07:17.54 | EstEx | anyone running a k7 kernel? |
| 07:17.57 | dererk | alaya, but the toolkit are provided by sambaclient |
| 07:18.04 | dererk | wd, but the toolkit are provided by sambaclient * |
| 07:18.09 | dererk | alaya, sorry, wrong tab |
| 07:18.29 | wd | dererk: yea i was just wondering what was diff between client and fs? |
| 07:18.30 | alaya | markybob: true. didn't think of that |
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| 07:18.53 | markybob | EstEx, no. k7 kernels are no more |
| 07:19.01 | dererk | wd, what I told you :) |
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| 07:19.02 | wd | dererk: i'm thinking client has *everything* addons and such.. smbfs is just that. |
| 07:19.09 | wd | dererk: yea |
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| 07:19.38 | alaya | markybob: ok. it doesn't show with apt-cache show <pkg> i wonder if there's a way to go through and get a list of all installed packages most recent change date? |
| 07:19.54 | EstEx | markybob: really? |
| 07:19.57 | markybob | alaya, no |
| 07:20.00 | markybob | EstEx, really |
| 07:20.29 | fstab | dererk i know your really busy, just wanted to make sure you got that post. |
| 07:20.40 | EstEx | markybob: err... well then will an i686 image work better than i486 if im running an amd? |
| 07:20.48 | dererk | fstab, checking it |
| 07:20.54 | markybob | EstEx, yes, use 686 |
| 07:20.56 | fstab | thanks :) |
| 07:21.11 | EstEx | markybob: ah good! Thank you. |
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| 07:21.27 | alaya | markybob: well, guess i could just write a script that does it, grepping through /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 07:21.42 | dererk | arjjj, ldap is driving me mad |
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| 07:22.20 | fstab | ldap? |
| 07:22.50 | alaya | actually, that gives me the idea of creating some kind of database that just stores all sorts of meta info on all installed packages |
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| 07:23.56 | dererk | fstab, could you do "lspci | grep -i atheros" ? |
| 07:24.17 | fstab | sure |
| 07:24.17 | Caelum | did anyone else's vim start treating _ as a word boundary in sid? |
| 07:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | alaya: so you're saying... if "ls" would not be updated over the period of two years, you wouldn't want to have it installed anymore (silly example, but hope you get my point) |
| 07:24.47 | dererk | fstab, BTW, you do "iwconfig ath0 mode monitor", exactly like that, right? |
| 07:24.48 | alaya | create some master script which lists everything, takes various fields of meta info and puts them into a database. you could even create graphs from the data |
| 07:25.01 | TapoutMMA | hey tarzeau, i added sysclt settings.. got it going 18MB/sec |
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| 07:25.07 | fstab | yep |
| 07:25.10 | TapoutMMA | now 26MB/sec |
| 07:25.37 | alaya | CutMeOwnThroat: perhaps the weight of desirability assigned would also depend on package category. for many desktop apps i would want to be more strict |
| 07:25.38 | dererk | Tapout, which sysctl setting, may I ask? |
| 07:25.56 | dererk | interested |
| 07:26.21 | fstab | dererk im going to paste.debian.net this too |
| 07:27.13 | dererk | fstab, k |
| 07:27.19 | fstab | http://paste.debian.net/3113/ |
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| 07:27.34 | alaya | dererk: MTU setting? |
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| 07:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | alaya, what I'm hinting at - if a project is in a sufficiently finished state and does not depend on many other outside things, it doesn't really matter if it's not updated anymore... |
| 07:28.12 | dererk | alaya, he said "sysctl" |
| 07:28.23 | alaya | CutMeOwnThroat: which for many non-desktop type apps might not be an issue, but for desktop ones probably would be |
| 07:28.42 | alaya | dererk: that's what i meant. the sysctl to set it |
| 07:29.13 | dererk | alaya, I don't know what he set, that's why I ask :D |
| 07:29.25 | dererk | fstab, uhm, interesting |
| 07:29.32 | alaya | dererk: sudo find /proc -name *mtu\* |
| 07:29.34 | fstab | whats intresting? |
| 07:30.07 | dererk | fstab, I was looking for a driver for that chipset a few hours ago *I think* |
| 07:30.18 | fstab | oh yea |
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| 07:30.47 | fstab | im using the wireless right now i just cant set it into monitor mode |
| 07:30.51 | dererk | alaya, Ok, but you still don't getting it :-) |
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| 07:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | "desktop type"? Like... openoffice? |
| 07:31.15 | dererk | alaya, I wanted TapoutMMA to tell me what he did, no what I would have done :) |
| 07:31.33 | dererk | fstab, that's good news for me |
| 07:31.50 | fstab | whys that? do u need the driver? |
| 07:31.59 | fstab | its a madwifi patch |
| 07:32.03 | dererk | fstab, you told before that you did set down the NIC, right? |
| 07:32.15 | fstab | yes |
| 07:32.18 | fstab | ifdown ath0 |
| 07:32.26 | fstab | then iwconfig ath0 mode monitor |
| 07:32.46 | dererk | fstab, let me check something. hold on |
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| 07:32.51 | fstab | okay |
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| 07:33.18 | alaya | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, Section: editors is a really good example actually |
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| 07:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno if I'd care much if vim wasn't updated for a couple of years |
| 07:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or emacs |
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| 07:34.22 | generic | hi all i have 10 printers insll on a print server |
| 07:34.49 | generic | now i want to limit users only finance can print from finance and IT from IT |
| 07:34.53 | generic | whats the solution |
| 07:34.58 | alaya | why is the sysctl command so retarded it can't take the full path name as an argument? |
| 07:35.09 | jim | what's a finance? what's a it? |
| 07:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | an it, jim ;) |
| 07:35.40 | alaya | departments in a company |
| 07:36.03 | dererk | fstab, iwpriv ath0 get_mode, please |
| 07:36.07 | jim | how are they defined such that they are machine readable in this case here and now? |
| 07:36.12 | fstab | k |
| 07:36.54 | fstab | ath0 get_mode:11g |
| 07:37.05 | dererk | ok |
| 07:37.09 | jim | generic: it's very likely that you're going to be constructing your solution |
| 07:37.43 | jim | generic: starting with: what is a "finance"? what is a "IT"? and: |
| 07:37.47 | jim | how are they defined such that they are machine readable in this case here and now? |
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| 07:38.17 | fstab | dererk is that good or bad? |
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| 07:38.45 | jim | ok no reply... this usually indicates the only thing he'd accept is a full complete predesigned tested working solution |
| 07:38.54 | jim | got $25,000? |
| 07:39.07 | alaya | ah ok: sudo sysctl -a |egrep -i mtu |
| 07:39.20 | dererk | fstab, something more please: lspci -v -n, and paste it again |
| 07:39.26 | fstab | k |
| 07:39.30 | dererk | I just want to be sure |
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| 07:41.18 | fstab | http://paste.debian.net/3115/ |
| 07:41.26 | dererk | ahhhhhhh |
| 07:41.30 | dererk | I think I remember why! |
| 07:41.48 | dererk | I was used to old madwifi legacy driver |
| 07:42.11 | dererk | fstab, "new" (for me :P) one must to destroy pseudo device wlan |
| 07:42.28 | dererk | s/wlan/wifi/ |
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| 07:42.34 | fstab | okay |
| 07:42.35 | generic | see |
| 07:42.37 | dererk | then re-create the stuff |
| 07:42.40 | generic | i have 10 users |
| 07:42.59 | fstab | sounds good so s/wlan/wifi in terminal? |
| 07:43.09 | generic | 3 user on eprinter they should not be able to send prints on another prinetr only one specific printer |
| 07:43.14 | fstab | how would i recreate it,sorry |
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| 07:43.39 | dererk | fstab, no no |
| 07:43.39 | generic | but since now all printer are on one print server all users can see them and print them too |
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| 07:43.47 | fstab | okay |
| 07:43.59 | fstab | close i was about to do it |
| 07:44.07 | dererk | forget the "s/.." stuff, it was a Sed fixing a typo :P |
| 07:44.14 | fstab | aww okay |
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| 07:45.11 | fstab | so pseudo destroy wlan0 |
| 07:45.13 | dererk | fstab, so, as a resume, you have to 'destroy' the current wifiX (wifi0 maybe) device and invoke the creation of a new device for monitoring |
| 07:45.31 | fstab | okay i do have a wifi0 |
| 07:45.40 | fstab | so destroy wifi0 |
| 07:45.57 | dererk | let me check for a online man, 'cause I don't have the card here |
| 07:46.04 | liable | wifi0 is the master iface |
| 07:46.36 | dererk | fstab, are you logged into inet via that card? |
| 07:46.42 | fstab | yep |
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| 07:46.47 | dererk | okkkk |
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| 07:46.55 | dererk | you can't try a line then :) |
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| 07:47.02 | fstab | but i think its using ath0 for th out |
| 07:47.07 | fstab | the out |
| 07:47.17 | dererk | yeap |
| 07:47.19 | fstab | not wifi0 |
| 07:47.21 | generic | Jim |
| 07:47.23 | generic | got it? |
| 07:47.33 | fstab | so if i destroy wifi0 i should be okay right? |
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| 07:47.55 | dererk | I don't really fully understand it, but I *think* wifiX is pseudo devices |
| 07:48.03 | liable | wifi0 is the master iface |
| 07:48.08 | fstab | the line is downstairs and people are sleeping i would hate to wake them |
| 07:48.30 | liable | you cant destroy it. go have a look at the madwifi docs, it explains creating/destroying vaps |
| 07:48.33 | dererk | fstab, take into account this, 'destroying' the device means that you'll have to re-create it when you want to use "infrastructure" mode again |
| 07:48.48 | fstab | maybe i could get a site and save it to my hard drive and read how to do it |
| 07:49.05 | liable | madwifi.org |
| 07:49.08 | dererk | liable, master? and why does ath has wifi extensions? |
| 07:49.28 | fstab | hmm hold on |
| 07:49.32 | liable | dererk: wifi0 is used to create the working ifaces, its just the way madwifi works |
| 07:49.33 | dererk | fstab, the man of wlanconfig has examples I think |
| 07:49.49 | fstab | ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"3L33T" Nickname:"" |
| 07:49.54 | fstab | now hold on |
| 07:50.10 | fstab | wifi0 no wireless extensions |
| 07:50.18 | jim | generic: so let's give the machines names... you have a print server, which we call what? and what are the other involved machines? |
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| 07:50.29 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/p/iQEhRC39.html any hints how can i remove the damn thing? |
| 07:50.37 | fstab | wifi0 is still master? |
| 07:50.42 | liable | yes |
| 07:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | generic: http://www.debianadmin.com/implement-and-manage-disk-quotas-in-linux.htmlprint/ |
| 07:50.46 | fstab | aww |
| 07:50.49 | dererk | fstab, http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/MonitorModeInterface <-- lol |
| 07:50.49 | generic | ok say its ubunt machine my print server say it LTSP |
| 07:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 07:50.55 | liable | please just go read the user docs at madwifi.org |
| 07:50.57 | dererk | fstab, check that please :P |
| 07:51.04 | fstab | sounds good dererk ill be back on in a bit |
| 07:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | generic: sorry, wrong link |
| 07:51.16 | generic | its ok |
| 07:51.19 | dererk | I really forgot this "new way" madwifi works |
| 07:51.27 | generic | and i have all machine ip address |
| 07:51.33 | dererk | I was *too* used to the old approach |
| 07:51.33 | generic | i can block them by IP too |
| 07:51.55 | jim | generic: do they connect by user? |
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| 07:51.57 | dererk | fstab, gone for coffee |
| 07:52.00 | zd32nv | blist |
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| 07:52.11 | fstab | okay so when i destroy the interface to use monitor mode im going to have to destroy it again to use the internett? |
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| 07:52.20 | generic | where ? |
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| 07:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | generic: I meant something like here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=198828 |
| 07:52.35 | vvo | i find there is no ext2online in lenny, how can i extend my ext3 lv ? |
| 07:52.36 | generic | all are system user they log on to their users name on system |
| 07:52.50 | dererk | fstab, yes |
| 07:52.58 | dererk | fstab, then you'll have to do this http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/autocreate |
| 07:53.08 | fstab | okay |
| 07:53.09 | jim | if the print server can get a user name maybe it can be made to direct output to the correct printer, or at least deny a print request by a user not allowed to use that printer... |
| 07:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | generic: or perhaps better described here http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2003-February/187070.html |
| 07:53.18 | dererk | fstab, good luck |
| 07:53.26 | jim | but if you have groups, maybe you should use that |
| 07:53.35 | dererk | Have to keep working on this ldap problem :( |
| 07:53.47 | dererk | coffee time, bbl |
| 07:53.57 | alaya | jim: can't you just make each printer browseable only to relevant group in smb.conf? |
| 07:54.37 | generic | i can make diff groups no issues |
| 07:54.39 | jim | hmm, haven't gotten to which technology is in use... |
| 07:54.44 | fstab | haha thanks, im taking it that this is going to suck, im glad i know some bash that way i can write some stuff down into a script. Then send the script as a exec to /bin, all i will have to do then is type the name of the script and run the stuff.. hope this works out |
| 07:54.47 | generic | how i use any simple howto that define them |
| 07:54.59 | alaya | i would use samba, create groups, only allow each group to see its own printer |
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| 07:55.17 | generic | CUtMeOwnThroat did pykota works on ubuntu |
| 07:55.23 | alaya | generic: man smb.conf in the samba package |
| 07:55.38 | jim | alaya: so how would the server see which user it is? |
| 07:55.43 | generic | oh man its all linux |
| 07:55.49 | generic | no windows why i sue samba |
| 07:56.09 | jim | so what are you using? |
| 07:56.10 | alaya | jim: other way around. in smb.conf each printer is only visible to whatever group you want |
| 07:56.28 | tarzeau | is there a way to activate a framebuffer console then switch to a textmode one and back? |
| 07:56.30 | jim | it doesn't look like he wants to use samba... |
| 07:56.36 | alaya | generic: um samba can be used for any platform |
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| 07:56.59 | generic | ok |
| 07:57.02 | generic | how i use them |
| 07:57.04 | generic | it |
| 07:57.23 | jim | wait a sec, what are you using now? |
| 07:57.37 | fstab | okay im off to mess up my station :P be back with good/bad news |
| 07:57.39 | jim | starting with the print server |
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| 07:57.53 | fstab | thanks dererk |
| 07:58.01 | alaya | generic: you'll have to do some reading. we're not going to teach you a free course in using samba |
| 07:58.02 | Coke | Hey, I'm thinking of maybe installing Testing 64-bit, does Debian testing handle 32-bit execution of binaries as well as the other distros? (i.e they are actualy running) |
| 07:58.14 | generic | send me link |
| 07:58.21 | fstab | and liable thank you too |
| 07:58.30 | jim | you have 10 printers connected... what software is used to print now? |
| 07:58.43 | alaya | generic: ever heard of a search engine thingy? |
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| 07:59.18 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/p/iQEhRC39.html any hints how can i remove that thing? |
| 07:59.23 | generic | jim simple cups |
| 07:59.31 | generic | i can see 10 printers in my menu |
| 07:59.40 | generic | select any of them and it prints |
| 07:59.45 | alaya | how hard can it be to type samba debian setup into a box? |
| 07:59.48 | generic | but i can print from all printers |
| 07:59.52 | generic | i dun want this |
| 07:59.55 | vvo | i find there is no ext2online package in lenny, how can i extend my ext3 LV ? thx. |
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| 08:00.44 | alaya | generic: what are you doing administering a network of 10 printers without being able to use a search engine??? |
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| 08:03.55 | alaya | redduck666: what happens if you don't use purge option? |
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| 08:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha... slightly outdated, that |
| 08:05.00 | redduck666 | alaya: as in use -r instead? same thing |
| 08:05.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ext2online |
| 08:05.00 | dpkg | i heard ext2online is part of ext2resize, it allows you to hot resize ext2 filesystems. Combined with LVM's e2fsadm, it makes a very cool and useful tool. the kernel patches are in /usr/share/doc/ext2resize/patches/ but they're slightly out of date (2.4.0), or (fooz's 2.4.17 patch: http://sync.dyndns.org/~walker/files/ext2online-2.4.17.diff) |
| 08:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | that factoid's from 2001 :-/ |
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| 08:05.44 | alaya | generic: beyond that, I'd read the cupsd.conf man page |
| 08:06.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell vvo about search |
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| 08:06.22 | alaya | redduck666: well the error explicitly said purge, so what happens if you don't purge and just uninstall? |
| 08:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | vvo: apt-file is your friend in such cases ---> ext2resize: sbin/ext2online |
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| 08:06.53 | alaya | generic: man 5 cupsd.conf |
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| 08:07.19 | redduck666 | alaya: aptitude remove and apt-get remove as well as dpkg -r all produce the same output |
| 08:07.31 | redduck666 | same one as what i posted |
| 08:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, the packagename ext2resize from dpkg is still correct... just that patch-against a 2.4 kernel is... hrm |
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| 08:07.51 | redduck666 | aptitude -f install doesn't help either |
| 08:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | redduck666: one of the removal scripts fails... apt-get and aptitude all use dpkg |
| 08:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | redduck666: so it's not surprising if you say "all fail" - it all boils down to the same dpkg |
| 08:08.30 | vvo | CutMeOwnThroat: i've use apt-file to search ext2online or ext2resize, no package can be found. |
| 08:08.51 | alaya | redduck666: can you paste output of dpkg -r <package>? |
| 08:09.30 | redduck666 | CutMeOwnThroat: how can i fix it? is there some way to not execute pre removal script? |
| 08:09.33 | redduck666 | alaya: http://rafb.net/p/KsH2sP75.html |
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| 08:10.29 | Coke | I need to install Debian using kernel 2.6.24 (or newer), I've been looking at Etch and a half, are there any other ways to use Debian with new hardware? |
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| 08:10.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | redduck666: I can only think of "fix the script" right now - did you check the BTS? |
| 08:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | vvo: a) I told you the packagename and b) I'd bet you didn't follow the instructions... specifically didn't do apt-file update before searching |
| 08:11.52 | redduck666 | Coke: 2.6.22-4-686 is in backports, for anything newer i'm afraid plain ethc won't cut it. |
| 08:12.01 | alaya | redduck666: you could look at relevant /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno. removal scripts and try to step through and figure out what's going wrong |
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| 08:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | redduck666: did you check the BTS? |
| 08:12.47 | alaya | redduck666: i'd be very careful about messing them up though. if there are no problems related to this package other than you want it removed, i would wait for a bugfix |
| 08:13.20 | alaya | redduck666: and definitely what CutMeOwnThroat says^^^^ |
| 08:13.25 | Coke | redduck666: I know. |
| 08:13.31 | Coke | redduck666: that's why I talked about Etch and a half. |
| 08:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do I suspect the answer is "no"? :) |
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| 08:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | now |
| 08:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | worse... why do I get the impression, this guy did a) not google and b) is not using Debian at all?! ( see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500313 ) |
| 08:15.12 | redduck666 | ummm, added an ''exit 0'' at the begening of /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.prerm and it seemed to solve my problem :-) |
| 08:15.20 | redduck666 | thanks |
| 08:15.29 | redduck666 | got to reboot, security upgrade just took place :-) |
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| 08:17.37 | alaya | um |
| 08:18.05 | enouf | vvo: ext2resize in sid support online (even though pdo is doing maintenance or something - shit slow) |
| 08:18.10 | sylvain__ | hello ! |
| 08:18.36 | sylvain__ | Someone have already successfully make openvxi on debian etch ? |
| 08:19.11 | enouf | vvo: review this URL - Description: section http://pastebin.ca/raw/1019862 |
| 08:20.03 | enouf | vvo: then "/msg dpkg ssb" and follow instructions, it's possible backport.org has something - might as well look, but for some reason, i'd doubt it |
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| 08:23.43 | vvo | enouf: thank you. i find ext2resize in sid after i add a sid source for apt. |
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| 08:26.46 | fstab | ath1 IEEE 802.11b ESSID:"" Nickname:"" |
| 08:26.46 | fstab | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.49 | Patrick8 | Am I correct in understanding that Debian's openssh vulnerability requires an attacker to first have a copy of a users public key ? |
| 08:27.02 | fstab | okay i did it but it wont come up.. |
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| 08:27.31 | stevil | is there away to view information about a specific user on a system, e.g. stuff like which homedir, which shell etc? since my user is in ldap i can' use look at the passwd file |
| 08:27.37 | fstab | Ignoring unknown interface ath1=ath1. |
| 08:28.11 | fstab | dererk aww gone away |
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| 08:28.41 | fstab | be back in a bit |
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| 08:31.32 | alaya | wow. go to google.com |
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| 08:39.36 | _gAri- | hi there, I would like to achieve somehow, to make my web processes run with a higher priority. I tried this in /etc/security/limits.conf: www-data hard priority -3 but it doesnt seem to work, any ideas why I do wrong? |
| 08:40.27 | fabin | in my debian lenny machine, gdm login screen has moved out to the left side, after last update...how should I fix this? |
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| 08:52.15 | markybob | damn. i wish grsecurity built on 2.6.25.4 |
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| 08:53.34 | simonrvn | hm, why did people "quit" then come back... |
| 08:53.39 | fstab | okay i did more wlanconfig ath0 destroy, then wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode monitor |
| 08:53.43 | enouf | dawn of the dead |
| 08:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | stevil: like "finger"? |
| 08:54.26 | fstab | it still says monitor mode but when i tried to ifup ath0 it wont work well i dont get any errors. it does dhcp request time out |
| 08:54.39 | fstab | i also did ifconifg ath0 up |
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| 08:55.24 | fstab | that one didnt have any errors but im not sure if its working in monitor mode or not so i tried iwlist ath0 scan and it says nothing in return |
| 08:55.42 | fstab | am i doing this right guys im really trying here :) |
| 08:56.14 | enouf | _gAri-: man nice and renice ? |
| 08:56.16 | simonrvn | sure are |
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| 08:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess he want's it a bit more permanently? |
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| 08:57.30 | enouf | markybob: try gentoo-harden O_o |
| 08:57.32 | enouf | runs |
| 08:57.49 | streuner | !gentoosmite enouf |
| 08:57.49 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling enouf, and when it's all done, enouf runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 08:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | not fast enough |
| 08:58.17 | enouf | dang, no --optimize-my-ricer-ass ? |
| 08:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but actually... should editing /etc/security/limits.conf work? |
| 08:58.51 | enouf | no -O98 ? :-P |
| 08:59.41 | fstab | am i doing the following correctly? i dont know im really trying to get this thing to work, im about to throw my laptop out the window of my 2 story apt :) |
| 08:59.41 | _gAri- | enouf: I know renice thats okay, I just wanted to know the /etc/security/limits way. but actually the program itself has to make some pam calls for that to work right? |
| 08:59.59 | enouf | hrm, well apache is a big mama of processes to deal with .. i would suggest 'taskset' if atleast a dual core |
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| 09:00.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | _gAri-: guess so, as this is part of libpam-modules... |
| 09:01.12 | enouf | _gAri-: i'm not sure how well ulimits would work here - nor how to implement them properly |
| 09:01.35 | scanf | hi. just wanted to say that it was established (confessed) by our business ISP, that it was not debian-exim that was breaking the headers on our outgoing mail. it was their §$%& relay. |
| 09:01.41 | scanf | all good. |
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| 09:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | _gAri-: I guess you want to put a 'nice -3' in front of the webserver in /etc/init.d/apache (or whatever you use as a webserver) |
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| 09:02.33 | enouf | !penixstrike scanf 's business ISP |
| 09:02.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking scanf 's business ISP to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 09:03.00 | scanf | please don't. |
| 09:03.09 | scanf | LOL they arethe best we have down under! |
| 09:03.27 | scanf | it's either them or telstra (God forbid!) |
| 09:03.45 | scanf | ..or Optus (I'm dead now..) |
| 09:04.20 | Guerin | who's your ISP, if not hellstra or craptus? |
| 09:04.27 | scanf | iiNet |
| 09:04.30 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:04.34 | Guerin | fail |
| 09:04.49 | Guerin | i have hellstra, but things are even uglier on this side of the water |
| 09:04.51 | scanf | preety good... really... capable staff and good support |
| 09:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 09:05.34 | scanf | just anal about their email servers |
| 09:05.48 | scanf | they do it to their own, too |
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| 09:06.34 | zamba | concerning the openssl vulnerability.. are dsa keys vulnerable as well? |
| 09:06.45 | zamba | i've only seen references to rsa keys wherever i see |
| 09:06.47 | scanf | there is always a header line somewhere in an email from iiNet along the relay chain you can rad "received: from unknown..." |
| 09:06.47 | et | yes. |
| 09:06.53 | scanf | no juoke |
| 09:06.58 | scanf | joke |
| 09:07.03 | zamba | et: was that a response to my question? |
| 09:07.07 | et | yes. |
| 09:07.13 | scanf | anyway, just thought I would share all that. |
| 09:07.28 | enouf | zamba: see /topic |
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| 09:07.41 | zamba | enouf: yeah, looking now |
| 09:07.44 | enouf | zamba: dsa are even moreso |
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| 09:09.16 | zamba | enouf: i've always been using dsa :) |
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| 09:10.42 | enouf | et: you slipped under my radar, short nick + terse reply == <hidden from my silly tired eyes>:-P |
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| 09:14.09 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 09:14.13 | Neaai | hello all. This might sound stupid but how do I activate the non-free section for packages in 'etch'? I want to install the nvidia drivers for a Quaddro 980 card |
| 09:14.17 | zamba | can someone explain to me exactly why the host key has to be replaced? i mean, isn't it enough just replacing the public/private keys used for authentication? |
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| 09:15.11 | silverpower | Neaai: /etc/apt/sources.list - make sure it reads "main contrib non-free" after "etch". |
| 09:15.32 | silverpower | Then apt-get update. |
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| 09:16.14 | Neaai | silverpower: thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 09:16.39 | strawks | Hi all, I have an interface with 1 IPv4 address and multiple IPv6 address, in /etc/network/interfaces I curently only set up the IPv4 address and I add IPv6 addresses by hand |
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| 09:19.41 | waspius | hi...can someone help me in formating a usb-mp3 drive in vfat? |
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| 09:20.37 | strawks | waspius: use mkdosfs <device> |
| 09:20.39 | Lagbolt | waspius, install dosfstools |
| 09:20.49 | Lagbolt | mkfs.vfat /dev/blah |
| 09:20.57 | waspius | Lagbolt: i have |
| 09:21.24 | Lagbolt | and? |
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| 09:22.14 | waspius | bash: mkfs.vfat/dev/sda1: No such file or directory |
| 09:22.23 | Lagbolt | are you sure that is the device? |
| 09:22.25 | aleksanteri | waspius, ye needs a space there |
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| 09:22.32 | Lagbolt | lol yeah |
| 09:22.38 | Lagbolt | space dude |
| 09:22.46 | aleksanteri | lol |
| 09:22.52 | waspius | ok |
| 09:22.57 | waspius | i get this mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 09:23.17 | Ravn | hi guys, I wonder how to ask aptitude to use and instead of or between search terms? |
| 09:23.47 | Lagbolt | instead of? |
| 09:23.48 | waspius | Lagbolt: now what? |
| 09:23.55 | Lagbolt | it is done |
| 09:23.57 | Lagbolt | mount it :) |
| 09:24.41 | et | zamba: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1806 |
| 09:25.33 | zamba | et: thanks |
| 09:26.06 | waspius | Lagbolt: mount: /dev/sda1: can't read superblock |
| 09:26.27 | Lagbolt | waspius, what is your mount command, also do you have blkid installed? |
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| 09:27.08 | waspius | i dont know about blkid..my mount command is mount /dev/sda1 to.. |
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| 09:27.45 | Lagbolt | to .. eh :) |
| 09:27.55 | Lagbolt | install blkid and do blkid /dev/sda1 |
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| 09:28.10 | zyx386 | hi, have pc amd 3000, can i install debian i386 of them, or debian AMD? |
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| 09:29.03 | waspius | Lagbolt: DeBiAn:~# blkid /dev/sda1 |
| 09:29.05 | waspius | /dev/sda1: SEC_TYPE="msdos" UUID="482D-5260" TYPE="vfat" |
| 09:29.13 | Lagbolt | zyx386, i would use k7 |
| 09:29.48 | Lagbolt | waspius, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mntpont |
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| 09:29.51 | Lagbolt | is that what you did |
| 09:29.56 | silverpower | zyx386: What AMD CPU, exactly? AthlonXP? Athlon64? Athlon X2? Phenom? |
| 09:30.02 | zyx386 | AMD semreon 3000, |
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| 09:30.13 | zyx386 | *sempreon |
| 09:30.14 | corecode | aloahe |
| 09:30.29 | zyx386 | silverpower, Lagbolt |
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| 09:30.46 | silverpower | Not all Semprons have 64-bit support. |
| 09:30.51 | Lagbolt | i stand by what i say |
| 09:30.55 | Lagbolt | k7 |
| 09:30.56 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 09:31.16 | zyx386 | ok Lagbolt , silverpower isn't 64 |
| 09:31.20 | zyx386 | normal |
| 09:31.20 | corecode | is the source to ssh-vulnkey available somewhere? other vendors would like to add this as well |
| 09:31.30 | silverpower | i386, then. |
| 09:31.44 | waspius | Lagbolt: well yeah..but nothing |
| 09:31.46 | zyx386 | silverpower, but which kernel? k7? |
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| 09:32.01 | Lagbolt | waspius, bad superblock error? |
| 09:32.15 | waspius | yes |
| 09:32.22 | silverpower | Go with K7 or i686. |
| 09:32.32 | Lagbolt | try formatting to another filesystem, and mount that |
| 09:32.50 | Lagbolt | if not then i suspect prob with drive |
| 09:32.56 | waspius | Lagbolt: that works |
| 09:33.03 | zyx386 | ok |
| 09:33.08 | Lagbolt | dunno dude |
| 09:33.22 | waspius | ok..thank you though |
| 09:34.02 | waspius | is there not a file that u need to edit so that you can add vfat to the system? |
| 09:34.12 | Lagbolt | just sounds strange, you can make it all other FS and mount then vfat and no |
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| 09:34.45 | jduggan | anyone else seeing latest etch update break python update? |
| 09:34.46 | waspius | even through the disks app it wount work with fat |
| 09:34.58 | crazyfrog | how to find which package installed a file called filename? |
| 09:35.58 | strawks | crazyfrog: dpkg -S filename |
| 09:36.39 | areels | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:38.12 | kgod | just notes that xkcd is teh r4wk today. |
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| 09:38.45 | cammoblammo | I love the way that strip seems so topical |
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| 09:39.09 | kgod | cammoblammo: I just wish he'd stop reading my love letters. |
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| 09:39.19 | cammoblammo | It says a lot about people who find those sorts of things topical! |
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| 09:39.39 | cammoblammo | Have you been using debian to secure them? |
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| 09:39.57 | kgod | cammoblammo: Hrm... |
| 09:40.01 | fasta | Is this channel still being logged somewhere? |
| 09:40.03 | kgod | cammoblammo: ... maybe I should have been. |
| 09:40.26 | kgod | fasta: If you're concerned about saying something you'll regret, assume it is. |
| 09:40.38 | kgod | fasta: If you want to find your words of wisdom, log it yourself. |
| 09:40.50 | kgod | Other than that, not that I'm aware, but I'm not a reliable source. |
| 09:40.52 | Rienzilla | hmmm |
| 09:41.06 | kgod | Gentoo: vulnerable to flattery. |
| 09:41.11 | Rienzilla | then pending held back openvpn upgrade, is it automagically kept back because it denies weak certificates? |
| 09:41.14 | kgod | dies... |
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| 09:43.14 | reto_ | new dsa1571 joke, http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 09:43.22 | reto_ | :D |
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| 09:44.18 | JohnnyST | Hi I am getting an error subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 when I try to install an package, can I debug the post-installtion somhow with apt-get or? |
| 09:45.24 | xand | JohnnyST: there should be more detail given than that |
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| 09:46.09 | JohnnyST | xand, yes beofre that is is it: update-rc.d: symlink: No such file or directory |
| 09:46.20 | xand | JohnnyST: pastebin the whole output |
| 09:46.21 | JohnnyST | and dpkg: error processing mythtv-backend (--configure): |
| 09:46.21 | xand | !paste |
| 09:46.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 09:47.40 | waspius | how can i change the user of a folder? |
| 09:47.45 | JohnnyST | here: http://paste.debian.net/3123/ |
| 09:47.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | chown |
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| 09:48.28 | waspius | thank you |
| 09:50.18 | waspius | Blast_Ha : well i get invalid user |
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| 09:51.50 | rhalff | hi I have both mysql-server-4.1 and mysql-server-5.0 in my upgrade list while doing apt-get upgrade. how can I check if removing mysql-server-4.1 first won't create any big damage ? |
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| 09:52.17 | rhalff | I find it weird 2 version can be installed at the same time. |
| 09:52.18 | zyx386 | how can i find my wireless adapter chip? lspci...? |
| 09:52.35 | Lagbolt | zyx386, if it is pci, or lsusb if usb |
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| 09:53.38 | zyx386 | Lagbolt, with lspci find't wireless adapter pci |
| 09:53.46 | et | rhalff: which applications you use use mysql, and which version? |
| 09:53.56 | Lagbolt | what? |
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| 09:54.01 | wij32 | hey guys, off topic, does anyone know a server which has an rfid dedicated channel? |
| 09:54.09 | rhalff | et, I use 5.0 |
| 09:54.22 | zyx386 | the wireless adapter is Netgear| wireless, 54 Mbit wireless PCI adapter |
| 09:54.33 | et | if 4.1 doesn't run, removing it won't do damage |
| 09:54.38 | zyx386 | how can active it? |
| 09:55.37 | rhalff | et, I hope it won't start removing databases by itself, if I remove 4.1 :) |
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| 09:56.36 | zyx386 | Lagbolt, how can active it, my wireless adapter? |
| 09:56.53 | Lagbolt | what chipset is it? |
| 09:56.57 | rhalff | ok, that went fast, nothing happend.. :) |
| 09:57.06 | zyx386 | idont know Lagbolt |
| 09:57.26 | Lagbolt | zyx386, do cat /proc/net/dev |
| 09:57.48 | Lagbolt | do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 09:58.47 | zyx386 | no |
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| 09:59.36 | Lagbolt | install them |
| 09:59.54 | zyx386 | ok |
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| 10:01.52 | slxix | go is a hard game. |
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| 10:03.02 | Lagbolt | dungeons of daggaroth is a hard game :) |
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| 10:04.04 | slxix | which package is that? |
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| 10:05.13 | Lagbolt | wireless-tools |
| 10:05.24 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:05.24 | Lagbolt | oh wait |
| 10:05.27 | Lagbolt | its not a package |
| 10:05.38 | Lagbolt | dungeons of darggaroth is a ported game from trs80 :) |
| 10:05.40 | shyam_k | i was setting up exim4 in the manual of exim4-base it says about setting up the user permissions of /etc/exim4/passwd.client as root:Debian-exim 0640 is "chmod 0640 /etc/exim4/passwd.client" as root enough for that ? |
| 10:05.54 | Lagbolt | sorry it is 6am . . brain no working so well |
| 10:06.05 | shyam_k | s/in/. in/ |
| 10:06.08 | slxix | from cassette tape? |
| 10:06.16 | Lagbolt | it was 8k rom :) |
| 10:06.25 | Lagbolt | http://mspencer.net/daggorath/dodpcp.html |
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| 10:11.38 | Lagbolt | night alll |
| 10:11.59 | areels | recommend me a fw solution |
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| 10:17.41 | sep | areels, shorewall |
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| 10:20.31 | areels | how ironic sep, i was just decided to work on shorewall and check here what's goin on |
| 10:20.48 | areels | and see you're telling me shorewall |
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| 10:22.02 | sep | :) |
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| 10:25.19 | slxix | watching the history of cookies on an empty stomache is cruel. |
| 10:25.46 | Salty_Dog | yeah, id much rather just sit on the sofa |
| 10:25.48 | Salty_Dog | BOOM BOOM |
| 10:26.15 | zyx386 | Lagbolt, wireless-tools already installed and see her http://paste.debian.net/3129/ |
| 10:26.26 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 10:26.27 | slxix | another joke from the goat locker? :) |
| 10:26.43 | Rienzilla | is there an easy way to generate a debian repository from an svn containing a buildtree for a debian package? |
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| 10:27.45 | nevyn | Rienzilla: thoses things are quite a bit removed. |
| 10:28.27 | Rienzilla | why's that? |
| 10:29.24 | zyx386 | ? |
| 10:29.29 | nevyn | there's dpkg-buildpackage which creates a deb file and then there's hrm.. |
| 10:29.46 | nevyn | I'm not familiar with the toolset for managing a local repository |
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| 10:30.32 | kladizkov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.53 | Neeku | hi |
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| 10:31.24 | Neeku | what's a better image viewer than GQimage viewer? |
| 10:31.37 | Neeku | it doesn't sho pictures woth proper zoom |
| 10:31.43 | kladizkov | eog, gthumb |
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| 10:32.05 | zyx386 | how can active this wireless card ? http://paste.debian.net/3132/ |
| 10:32.12 | slxix | i use feh |
| 10:32.27 | cloakable | I use Gwenview |
| 10:32.33 | kladizkov | is there anything beter that gthumb? |
| 10:32.41 | slxix | sex |
| 10:32.51 | themill | Rienzilla: there is svn-buildpackage. There are guides for using that on the web. Also /msg dpkg mentors, as you will get more help with these questions from mentors than here. |
| 10:33.33 | kladizkov | slxix: hehe |
| 10:33.34 | Neeku | ? |
| 10:33.34 | ix | zyx386: I think you might have to use ndiswrapper for that card. |
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| 10:33.34 | ix | Try googling for the make and model name. |
| 10:33.34 | Rienzilla | ok, thanks |
| 10:33.50 | zyx386 | ix , iwell concret answer, |
| 10:34.03 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 10:34.10 | zyx386 | i can use google too |
| 10:34.11 | ix | no prob |
| 10:34.13 | kladizkov | Neeku: are you a gnome person? |
| 10:34.22 | Neeku | kladizkov: yes |
| 10:34.33 | Neeku | kladizkov: an amateur one |
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| 10:34.48 | kladizkov | Neeku: try gthumb |
| 10:36.18 | Neeku | kladizkov: hmm... how should i install it? 'sudo apt-get install' doesn't work for this one? |
| 10:36.50 | kladizkov | Neeku: sudo apt-get install gthumb |
| 10:36.54 | zyx386 | everyone, answer :) |
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| 10:37.28 | Neeku | Sorry, user neeku is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/apt-get install gthumb' as root on Parsix. |
| 10:37.33 | Neeku | kladizkov: ^ |
| 10:37.55 | generic | jim |
| 10:38.10 | kladizkov | Neeku: you dont have permission, contact the root guy... |
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| 10:38.33 | Neeku | kladizkov: i am the root! i h |
| 10:38.36 | Neeku | oops |
| 10:38.51 | Neeku | I enter the right password |
| 10:38.53 | kladizkov | Neeku: then try login as root on a terminal |
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| 10:39.31 | qoreqyas | neeku: configure sudo properly |
| 10:39.52 | Neeku | qoreqyas: kladizkov: "su" itself worked |
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| 10:39.54 | Neeku | but |
| 10:40.13 | Neeku | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main gthumb 3:2.10.5-2 |
| 10:40.14 | Neeku | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.14 | Neeku | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libi/libiptcdata/libiptcdata0_1.0.2-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 10:40.21 | Neeku | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gthumb/gthumb_2.10.5-2_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 10:40.22 | Neeku | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 10:40.25 | qoreqyas | Neeku: and start thinking before you write. its common to write stuff on one line instead of more lines. |
| 10:40.41 | zyx386 | if everyone nanswer me? :) |
| 10:41.03 | qoreqyas | Neeku: and dont flood the channel. |
| 10:41.33 | Neeku | qoreqyas: well, that was less than 5 lines.. :-S |
| 10:42.00 | qoreqyas | Neeku: imho more than one line == flood. |
| 10:42.26 | Neeku | qoreqyas: ah, ok, sorry |
| 10:42.58 | slxix | !flood |
| 10:42.59 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:43.04 | qoreqyas | Neeku: did you do a apt-get update? if not, do it now |
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| 10:43.33 | Neeku | qoreqyas: yes, i'm doing it now... 25% |
| 10:43.52 | qoreqyas | Neeku: when that is finished try the apt-get install foo stuff again. |
| 10:44.10 | Neeku | qoreqyas: ok, thanks :) |
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| 10:44.26 | qoreqyas | Neeku: honour for me, np |
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| 10:44.57 | Neeku | is 'sudo apt-get ...' for Debian and Debian-based distros only? |
| 10:45.18 | slxix | Neeku: no. :) ... |
| 10:45.22 | qoreqyas | apt-get is usualy for debian based stuff |
| 10:45.28 | qoreqyas | but there is also an apt for rpm iirc |
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| 10:45.43 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! |
| 10:45.47 | qoreqyas | .oO(now iam writing on more then one line, damn, sry) |
| 10:46.07 | ErkiDerLoony | Which package does provide the "style" module for kcmshell? |
| 10:46.26 | Neeku | qoreqyas: is this flood stuff different for each channel? |
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| 10:47.01 | qoreqyas | Neeku: i guess so, yea. but you are always on a good side if you dont paste more then oneliners. |
| 10:47.34 | qoreqyas | .oO(what do you think #flood is about? ;) |
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| 10:47.41 | ErkiDerLoony | The thing is that I'd like to modify the widget style of okular using KDE 3. |
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| 10:48.19 | ErkiDerLoony | So changing the widget style via systemsettings or kcontrol just changes the KDE 3 widget style which is not respected by okular. |
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| 10:49.05 | snuggles` | hi, i want to switch from dhcp to static networking and no matter how i configure /etc/netowork/interfaces debian keeps creating dhcp interfaces like eth4,5,6,7 on each reboot how can i make debian just use what's configured under eth0 |
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| 10:52.08 | qoreqyas | snuggles`: this doesnt really look debian specific. i would say there is some software which does that (package, whatever) |
| 10:52.41 | qoreqyas | snuggles`: you should look at the log files and watch where it happenes. |
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| 10:54.12 | Neeku | loved qoreqyas's thinkbubbles! :) |
| 10:54.38 | Refakki | hi all. I use debian stable amd64. What i should install for watching .wmv(9) on it. I add backport and multimedia reps.... |
| 10:55.24 | ronr | Refakki: I think ffmpeg / ffplay might be able to handle it, or vlc |
| 10:55.40 | slxix | do they provide 64 bit codecs? |
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| 10:56.28 | snuggles` | qoreqyas: it's a default debian install, just installed it yesterday |
| 10:56.43 | Refakki | vlc - not for me...i whant use totem player |
| 10:56.46 | snuggles` | debian with gnome |
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| 10:57.08 | Refakki | ffplay - i dont see this package |
| 10:57.27 | Refakki | ffmpeg - just a moment, i will test it |
| 10:57.52 | ronr | Refakki: I think ffplpay is part of the ffmpeg package |
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| 10:57.57 | Ramattack | Hi!! |
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| 10:58.13 | slxix | Hello!! |
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| 10:58.43 | Ramattack | about this days known vulnerability I have upgraded my openssl libssl0.9.8 libssl-dev packages on all my etch systems and too openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 10:58.46 | Refakki | Totem still not work |
| 10:58.49 | Ramattack | at the end of update |
| 10:59.00 | Ramattack | it automatically regerates openssh keys... |
| 10:59.09 | Ramattack | is rhis procedure ok am I wrong? |
| 10:59.21 | Ramattack | it's just for being sure |
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| 11:00.06 | themill | Ramattack: you need to regenerate your openssh-server host keys. |
| 11:00.22 | themill | Ramattack: You will also need to manually regenerate any user keys that are weak. |
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| 11:01.02 | themill | Ramattack: /msg dpkg ssh-vulnkey /msg dpkg dsa1576 |
| 11:02.05 | Ramattack | themill, but that isn't done automatically when you update you're openssh-server and client? |
| 11:02.40 | Refakki | Any other ideas? |
| 11:02.46 | themill | Ramattack: there is no way of automatically updating user keys. |
| 11:02.54 | kgod | f-spot bug, apparently Mono's f*cked up, can't find NDesk.DBus (?) http://paste.debian.net/3134/ |
| 11:02.57 | Ramattack | no just openssh keys but server |
| 11:03.00 | Ramattack | server keys |
| 11:03.11 | Ramattack | not user ones for gain access on a system without password |
| 11:03.26 | slxix | Refakki: use 32-bit. |
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| 11:04.09 | Refakki | slxix: =) mb u reccomend me windows for watching video? |
| 11:04.25 | fireba11 | Ramattack: yes, latest fixes cause server keys to get re-generated on upgrade |
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| 11:04.40 | jelly | Refakki: no, 32bit linux |
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| 11:04.57 | Ramattack | fireba11, themill I have done apt-get install openssl libssl0.9.8 libssl-dev openssh-server openssh-client libc6 libc6-i686 in all my etch servers |
| 11:05.10 | jelly | Refakki: or just use mplayer or vlc. |
| 11:05.14 | themill | Ramattack: Please try to write in complete sentences without pressing enter after every couple of words. It makes it easier for us to follow what you are saying. But you are right, installing the new openssh-server package will regenerate your key automatically which is one of the things you need to do. |
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| 11:05.30 | themill | Ramattack: why did you update libc6? |
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| 11:05.45 | Ramattack | themill, for just updating it |
| 11:06.06 | themill | Ramattack: it should either be needed or not; aptitude dist-upgrade is all you should need. |
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| 11:06.46 | Ramattack | themill, fireba11 so doing that update (wich I have write before) you just needed to regenerate the users keys for accessing remote machines via ssh without password, just that keys, am I wrong? |
| 11:06.47 | fireba11 | Ramattack: with latest upgrade i got a screen saying it will re-generate a weak key ... on my local test box where i didn't update it |
| 11:07.18 | fireba11 | Ramattack: and potentially ssl-certificates |
| 11:07.27 | Ramattack | fireba11, so it's ok :) doing just update |
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| 11:07.42 | Ramattack | fireba11, so the apt-get install I've done before... |
| 11:07.51 | slxix | darnit. history channel is in japanese again. |
| 11:08.13 | Crypticfortune | is there a package that one has to install get documentation of /lib/lsb/init-functions? (or is the documentation just hiding somewhere non-obvious?) |
| 11:08.25 | Ramattack | themill, doing a full upgrade it's dangerous if you have services running on a server it's in production |
| 11:08.48 | fireba11 | Ramattack: normally it's no problem, i do it all the time |
| 11:09.00 | themill | Ramattack: if you have a sensible sources.list then it's quite fine to do. |
| 11:09.24 | fireba11 | themill: that reminds me i'll have to upgrade my last sarge box ^^ |
| 11:09.29 | Crypticfortune | (one might say that it's basically self-documented, but i'm trying to tell someone RTFM but don't actually know where TFM is (other than google =P |
| 11:09.33 | Ramattack | one little question, now I'm thinking |
| 11:09.44 | themill | fireba11: sarge's openssl isn't vulnerable |
| 11:10.04 | themill | fireba11: or are you meaning sarge->etch? Yes, it's time you did that :) |
| 11:10.06 | slxix | Crypticfortune: what calls init-functions? :) |
| 11:10.07 | fireba11 | themill : yes, but i have to dist-ugprade it to etch :-D |
| 11:10.32 | themill | fireba11: just remember that it's not just a dist-upgrade ... you know the drill, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 11:11.11 | Ramattack | if you update you're libc6 and libc6-i686 package without updating other services or packages... you shouldn't have problems am I wrong? I say because now I'm using a newer libc6 than with my previous debian packages were built with... |
| 11:11.12 | Crypticfortune | slxix: scripts in init.d (however man neither man init or man initscript documents init-functions =/ |
| 11:11.21 | Ramattack | haven't though this before update |
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| 11:11.33 | fireba11 | themill : yes. .. the other 3 boxes i upgraded worked fine .. the rest i had to reinstall anyway or was already using etch for some time ... i started using etch bevore it was stable for out testing environments :-) |
| 11:11.40 | themill | Crypticfortune: /usr/share/doc/lsb-base/README.Debian.gz |
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| 11:12.03 | Crypticfortune | themill: awesome. thanks! |
| 11:12.05 | themill | Ramattack: how are you doing that? |
| 11:12.09 | Ramattack | I assume that if could be problems debian wouldn't have let me to update just libc6 without updating... don't know bind |
| 11:12.23 | Ramattack | I have done in all my servers just apt-get install openssl libssl0.9.8 libssl-dev openssh-server openssh-client libc6 libc6-i686 |
| 11:12.38 | Ramattack | and have in them running bind, postfix, postgres, mysql, openvpn... |
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| 11:13.26 | Ramattack | I have think that haven't noticed before that bind9 package is built with previous libc6... that wich is running now... |
| 11:13.30 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i wish to connect to a debian machine via ssh and using the ssh tunnel access HTTP pages from there, i need it since only one ip is registered to access academic papers and that server is always busy with ppl using it.. |
| 11:13.51 | themill | Ramattack: there hasn't been an update to libc6 for quite some time. You are either well behind in your security updates or you didn't actually upgrade libc6 today when you thought you did. |
| 11:14.46 | themill | assasukasse: is there an http proxy server at the other end of the ssh link that you can use? |
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| 11:15.00 | Ramattack | themill, perhaps the first one... |
| 11:15.08 | Ramattack | I'm behind |
| 11:15.10 | WormFood | is there anything I can do to rtorrent, other than recompiling it, to make the fucker download with less than 500 meg of free space? I can find no setting to change that stupid shit |
| 11:16.21 | WormFood | I leave the house and come back, and find 2 torrents almost finished downloading, that I've been downloading for weeks....only to find rtorrent has closed them because I have 500 meg of free space, but I only need 100 meg to finish off these 2 torrents |
| 11:16.30 | WormFood | drives me fuckin' insane! |
| 11:16.35 | Ramattack | so my main question is... updating libc6 and libc6-i686 without updating other packages could cause problems? |
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| 11:17.27 | themill | Ramattack: what's in your sources.list? only etch and etch/updates? |
| 11:18.54 | Ramattack | pastebin doesn't allow me to paste it |
| 11:18.55 | assasukasse | themill: not that i know, there is only a dns server... |
| 11:18.59 | Ramattack | it sais it's spam |
| 11:19.06 | Ramattack | any paste service over there? |
| 11:19.38 | themill | !pastebin |
| 11:19.38 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 11:21.28 | Ramattack | http://rafb.net/p/wWQORE71.html |
| 11:21.31 | Ramattack | this is what I have |
| 11:21.42 | Ramattack | why did you asked it themill ? |
| 11:21.46 | themill | assasukasse: that makes it a little harder, but not impossible. "ssh yourserver -L8080:publisherwebserver:80" and then point your browser to localhost:8080 for the proxy. A firefox plugin like SwitchProxy is handy for this as you will only be able to go to that one site with that link. |
| 11:21.49 | assasukasse | themill: i suppose is easier if i just forward X11 windows.. |
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| 11:22.15 | themill | Ramattack: OK, with that sources.list, you should just aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 11:22.23 | bigmouse | hello |
| 11:22.36 | themill | Ramattack: Then you will be up to date with your security patches. |
| 11:22.53 | slxix | lol. http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 11:23.13 | themill | Ramattack: (I asked just to make sure you didn't have other releases in there; if you did, dist-upgrade could have nasty consequences) |
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| 11:24.17 | themill | dpkg: dsa1571 jokes is also http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 11:24.17 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 11:24.27 | themill | slxix: nice one :) |
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| 11:24.49 | crazyfrog_ | what packages are needed by debian for establish a ADSL connection through pppoe? |
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| 11:25.29 | Ramattack | themill, I installed debian etch 4 from cd, and about 1 year later have done that libc6 and libc6-i686 update could I have problems for having done that? I mean when I updated openssl I updated that two packages too.. for nothing special... but now I'm a bit worried by the cause it could cause problems because the packages on system are older than libc6 and libc6-i686 version |
| 11:25.35 | Ramattack | could you know if it could cause problems? |
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| 11:27.00 | themill | Ramattack: no it shouldn't. You should be doing this regularly, in fact. You probably have a vulnerable kernel and possibly also vulnerable php etc too if you've not been doing aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade on a regular basis. I would suggest that you install something like cron-apt to help you with this task. |
| 11:27.08 | Ramattack | themill, I think that apt shouldn't have let me doing just that updates and not other packages too... if could cause problems don't you think? |
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| 11:28.44 | Ramattack | I mean apt shouldn't have let me doing apt-get install libc6 libc6-i686 just without saying me to update another things too if should be necessary for avoiding problems... am I wrong? |
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| 11:30.14 | themill | Ramattack: I'm running out of ways of saying this to you. What you did for the update was fine. You have done nothing wrong with that update. Your problem is that there are many *more* updates that you should also have done. |
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| 11:32.51 | vanksi | i got an old HP ultra3 scsi hba with a tape drive connected, it seems to be detected just fine but i can't figure out what under /dev/ it is so i could mount it, any clues? |
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| 11:33.29 | Ramattack | sorry for my english mate (I'm a bit nervous) yes really I should update my systems, but If I can't do them now (the updates I mean) by the fact of updating just libc6 and libc6-i686 shouldn't be problems for the server to continue working nice... am I wrong? |
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| 11:37.28 | themill | Ramattack: Everything is fine. Just make some time for an aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade in the very near future as you have a locally (possibly remotely) vulnerable kernel and php on that machine. Amongst other things. |
| 11:38.14 | themill | Ramattack: It's not a big job; it will probably only take 5-10 min and will require a reboot for the new kernel. (unless you've got lots of out-of-kernel modules that also need recompiling) |
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| 11:39.13 | Ramattack | yep the kernel on some machines in recompiled by for supporting connlimit for example |
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| 11:39.58 | Ramattack | ok then _= |
| 11:40.00 | Ramattack | :) |
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| 11:40.13 | Ramattack | thanks for you're patience :) |
| 11:40.28 | Ramattack | my spanglish is not very professional :) |
| 11:40.29 | academy | I'm trying to run xfs_repair on / in single user mode, but I can't mount -r -o remount / because / is busy. How can I get around this? |
| 11:40.43 | igors | i have ssh openssh server running, what else do i need to use sftp? |
| 11:41.12 | petemc | igors: nothing |
| 11:41.24 | igors | petemc: the server is the same? |
| 11:41.28 | petemc | igors: yes |
| 11:41.31 | petemc | its a subsystem |
| 11:41.36 | slxix | academy: are you using raid? |
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| 11:41.46 | academy | slxix, yes - mdadm |
| 11:42.10 | igors | petemc: nice...but i've never used ftp before..could people use the same ftp client to connect? |
| 11:42.20 | Ramattack | bye mates see u |
| 11:42.26 | petemc | igors: if the client supports sftp, sure |
| 11:42.36 | igors | petemc: ok..thanks |
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| 11:43.20 | academy | slxix, the fs is across md2, so I don't think I could disable the raid and mount /dev/sda2 directly. |
| 11:44.00 | slxix | academy: i've never used raid. :) ... sorry. |
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| 11:46.00 | Rienzilla | hmmm |
| 11:46.01 | igors | petemc: but it's the same configuration file? sshd_config? because im not using the default ssh port, whats the sftp port? |
| 11:46.31 | Rienzilla | are there confirmed tools yet to assess the weakness of ssl certificates possibly generated with a broken openssl library? wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys seems quite inconclusive on that subject |
| 11:47.15 | stew | igors: sftp runs on the same server, so its the same port same configuration file, its just that when an sftp client logs in, instead of asking for a shell, it asks for the sftp subsystem |
| 11:47.39 | stew | Rienzilla: yes |
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| 11:48.01 | Rienzilla | where can I find them? |
| 11:48.07 | Rienzilla | packaged in etch yet? |
| 11:48.17 | igors | stew: ok...i'm just not finding the option to pass the port to connect :) |
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| 11:48.32 | stew | Rienzilla: tools to exploit this compromise are not likely to be packaged |
| 11:48.46 | Rienzilla | uhm |
| 11:48.53 | stew | igors: "man sftp" and look for -o |
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| 11:48.56 | Rienzilla | I didn't say I wanted to exploit, I wanted to assess :) |
| 11:49.06 | Rienzilla | so I can request new certificates for my machines if necessary |
| 11:49.09 | stew | Rienzilla: yeah, i dunno how i totally misread that |
| 11:49.09 | themill | Rienzilla: the wiki page links to a openssl-blacklist package that is being prepared for etch |
| 11:49.15 | slxix | academy: have you read the Software-RAID-HOWTO? |
| 11:49.23 | Rienzilla | oh it does now? |
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| 11:50.49 | Rienzilla | ah yes |
| 11:50.51 | Rienzilla | thank you themill |
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| 11:51.12 | Rienzilla | how about the comments that the tool does not ire on known-weak keys?> |
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| 11:51.49 | themill | Rienzilla: I'm not sure that you can rely on it to be 100% accurate... false-negatives are likely. (so are false positives, but you probably don't want those certs anyway!) |
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| 11:52.19 | Rienzilla | I'd rather replace a couple of certificates too much :) |
| 11:52.25 | Rienzilla | but replacing all is a little costly |
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| 11:52.28 | fasta | Why do I get Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key when I run synaptic as root in a user-session? |
| 11:52.37 | Rienzilla | if it's unneccesary |
| 11:52.37 | Juventino | i have debian and win XP installed on the same machine, i have installed SP3, which removed the GRUB from MBR, now i wanna resotre GRUB, anyway to do that from the CD without having to install debian all over? |
| 11:52.42 | fasta | I already did xhost +localhost. |
| 11:52.42 | stew | fasta: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 11:53.08 | stew | ooh it would be awesome if xhost has stopped working |
| 11:53.51 | petemc | Juventino: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 11:53.53 | Rienzilla | joy |
| 11:54.09 | enouf | Juventino: also, /msg dpkg rescue |
| 11:54.30 | fasta | stew: problem solved, thank you. Is there any other security side-effect to this? |
| 11:54.35 | Juventino | thnx |
| 11:54.54 | stew | fasta: the 'run stuff as root' is ok security wise. using xhost is NOT |
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| 11:55.18 | jelly | fasta: using sux or gksu or gksudo is simpler |
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| 11:55.59 | fasta | stew: ok, so I should just do xhost -localhost now (I haven't read the manpage yet)? I read about xauth. |
| 11:56.19 | fasta | Manpage says so. |
| 11:57.09 | themill | Rienzilla: you should know what dates the certs were generated on and hopefully on what machines hence what versions of openssl were used. That is probably even more reliable than the openssl-blacklist tools. |
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| 11:59.31 | Rienzilla | themill: Clear about the dates, but I have generated a lot of certificate requests on a debian etch machine :( |
| 11:59.42 | enouf | ya know what i haven't heard anything about in all this? ~$ apt-cache show dirmngr <--applicable? not? |
| 11:59.44 | Rienzilla | after the vulnerability was introduced |
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| 12:00.14 | fasta | jelly: but configuring access requirements isn't that simple (or is there some front-end to that too already)? I gave myself some rights to do some tasks, but gksudo just uses the sudo mechanism. Just su'ing to root seems to be easier then. |
| 12:00.16 | themill | Rienzilla: if they were generated on a vulnerable etch machine, they are vulnerable. |
| 12:00.20 | Rienzilla | yup :/ |
| 12:00.29 | themill | Rienzilla: there's no need to test them |
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| 12:01.09 | jelly | fasta: if you use sux, you don't have to set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY manually (or copy xauth magic) |
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| 12:01.25 | Rienzilla | I know, but I don't know for sure what certificates were generated on the etch machine, and what certificates were generated somewhere else |
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| 12:01.32 | jelly | fasta: I use gksudo because I already have sudo set up |
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| 12:02.59 | fasta | jelly: I just set XAUTHORITY in my .bashrc and I never need to do anything with the DISPLAY variable anyway, AFAIK. ssh X forwarding seems to work perfectly. I guess both systems work. |
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| 12:06.40 | ebw | how to burn a .iso to a cd-r? |
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| 12:07.29 | grul | i never tried it but |
| 12:07.29 | grul | p burn - Command line Data-CD, Audio-CD, ISO-CD, Copy-CD writing tool |
| 12:08.11 | meff | wodim -dao dev="/dev/scd0" driveropts=burnfree speed=32 -vvvv bleh.iso |
| 12:08.24 | ebw | thanks |
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| 12:09.17 | enouf | wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/hdd -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /path/to/iso (where /dev/hdd is your burner) |
| 12:09.34 | enouf | oh, late |
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| 12:14.03 | hondu | hi, i get this error http://rafb.net/p/sNBobD87.html any hint? |
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| 12:17.37 | dokma_ | hi guys. I've bought 2 identical 160GB barracudas planing to setup RAID1 on ABIT NF7-S. Currently I have 40 GB barracuda with ext3+swap Debian installed. I plan on copying those partitions to the RAID array. This is my first time messing with this so I do not know what to look out for. Any tips? |
| 12:17.45 | jelly | hondu: use a non-xen enabled kernel? |
| 12:18.09 | svk | Hi, I think I'm vulnerable to the openssl problem( running 0.9.8e-4 ), can anyone give me a hint on sorting through my mess of an apt setup to get it upgraded? |
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| 12:18.46 | svk | 0.9.8g-10 shows in apt-cache, but apt-get install seems to say 0.9.8e-4 is the latest version anyway |
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| 12:19.56 | jelly | svk: pastebin "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8"? Which Debian release are you using? |
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| 12:20.33 | svk | A mix of testing and unstable, that's why I called it a mess. Will do the pastebin thing, just a moment |
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| 12:21.05 | mrec | hi there's a tool for configuring autoconf (actually which version should be used) does anyone know more about this? I forgot the name of the tool for switching the version number |
| 12:21.59 | jelly | svk: I suppose you already know about hinting. apt-get install foo=version (or aptitude ...) might be helpful to override |
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| 12:22.05 | enouf | svk: try apt-get -s -u install openssl libssl0.9.8 |
| 12:22.45 | jelly | heh, gparted let me copy over a mounted partition |
| 12:23.01 | svk | Ah, thanks, will try it - here's the pastebin if it's still needed, I assume the "-20" is the problem: http://pastebin.com/m4d709e7f |
| 12:23.39 | hondu | jelly: hmm,this is the 2.6.25-2-686-bigmem, not the xen-kernel? |
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| 12:24.11 | jelly | hondu: yeah, but grep CONFIG_XEN /boot/config-$(uname -r) will show you it's enabled, I bet |
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| 12:25.03 | jelly | hondu: since you're already using unstable, you should know how to file a bug... |
| 12:25.07 | enouf | svk: so, you have entries in /etc/apt/apt_preferences? (pinning) or /conf.d or /apt.conf ? |
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| 12:25.42 | jelly | svk: you seem to have a mixture of etch and unstable in sources.list (no testing or lenny) |
| 12:26.01 | enouf | that too |
| 12:26.18 | hondu | jelly: ok i will check |
| 12:26.19 | svk | Seems to be /etc/apt/preferences for me, but pinning is set up there, yes - probably in a clueless way and quite a bit of time ago |
| 12:26.20 | enouf | heh .. wonder what the security.debian.org line is |
| 12:26.34 | enouf | oh, duh |
| 12:26.57 | enouf | svk: right, i'm thinking the man page ;-P |
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| 12:27.33 | enouf | man apt_preferences is what i was recalling |
| 12:28.09 | svk | Ah, got g-10 installed now with the =version "trick", thanks |
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| 12:28.43 | cal | anyone know the default location for apache's htdocs dir? |
| 12:28.56 | Nyle | good morning |
| 12:29.01 | Nyle | hey jelly |
| 12:29.06 | MSone | cd /var/www |
| 12:29.09 | MSone | maybe |
| 12:29.11 | cal | thanks |
| 12:29.14 | jelly | hi Nyle |
| 12:29.20 | cal | ssh-es into the server and tests it |
| 12:29.22 | MSone | what vestion of your apache |
| 12:29.39 | Nyle | <-- uses 1.3 |
| 12:29.42 | Nyle | booya! |
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| 12:29.53 | svk | Incidentally, what would I do if I wanted to go from this unsightly mix to a pure unstable setup? (A complete reinstall is not really feasible at the moment) |
| 12:30.16 | Nyle | svk, pinning should not be used |
| 12:30.20 | MSone | ok try cd /var/www |
| 12:30.33 | jelly | svk: remove your preferences file, do a dist-upgrade |
| 12:30.44 | Nyle | svk, just make it all sid, and update/upgrade |
| 12:30.48 | jelly | svk: clean up sources.list before that |
| 12:30.54 | Nyle | svk, aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 12:31.52 | enouf | Nyle: mornin; and no, i think not - he had -20 for prefs for sid |
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| 12:32.01 | martian67 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.05 | Nyle | enouf, shit... |
| 12:32.07 | enouf | so almost nothing but manual was installed |
| 12:32.10 | Nyle | thats a lot |
| 12:32.22 | Nyle | damn.. its gonna be tough but its doable |
| 12:32.27 | enouf | so maybe upgrade to testing ;-) |
| 12:32.43 | jelly | s/testing/lenny/ |
| 12:32.46 | Nyle | jumped int hemiddle |
| 12:32.52 | jelly | don't jump |
| 12:32.53 | Nyle | dunno wtf ya'll helping him wid |
| 12:32.54 | Nyle | ;) |
| 12:33.01 | Nyle | jelly, jumping jacks |
| 12:33.05 | enouf | :-p |
| 12:33.08 | Nyle | they are good for your body and mind |
| 12:33.13 | Nyle | try 50 a day when you wake up |
| 12:33.24 | Nyle | its good stuff, good stuff indeed |
| 12:33.51 | enouf | martian67: awe .. he's cute |
| 12:34.06 | Nyle | enouf, from loony tunes sure |
| 12:34.08 | martian67 | enouf: thbt :) |
| 12:34.16 | Nyle | !thbt |
| 12:34.16 | martian67 | yhbt rather ;p |
| 12:34.22 | Nyle | what? |
| 12:34.25 | Nyle | english ffs |
| 12:34.26 | martian67 | !yhbt |
| 12:34.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, yhbt is You Have Been Trolled |
| 12:34.28 | enouf | martian67: looks lije hea bit of a meth prob though |
| 12:34.32 | enouf | omg |
| 12:34.36 | Nyle | ugh. |
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| 12:35.44 | enouf | martian67: ask to try the Sears Weatherbuster instead .. not as bad as that glue he |
| 12:35.49 | enouf | again! |
| 12:35.51 | Nyle | speed... America's drug of chocie, in the form of starbucks, redbull, energy drinks, espresso shots, adhd medication and of course, X/meth |
| 12:35.55 | Nyle | </rant> |
| 12:36.15 | enouf | you forgot Ritalin :-P |
| 12:36.21 | enouf | oh |
| 12:36.24 | enouf | i suck |
| 12:36.30 | Nyle | enouf, what do you call a female peacock? |
| 12:36.32 | petemc | why do X and meth get lumped in the same category? |
| 12:36.55 | enouf | any cock'le do? |
| 12:36.57 | Nyle | enouf, peacunt. |
| 12:37.00 | Nyle | ahem |
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| 12:37.16 | Nyle | so anyway I upgraded by sid last night |
| 12:37.19 | Nyle | 400mb of packages |
| 12:37.24 | vagothcpp | marijuana... australias drug of choice, 9 in 10 homes grow commercial quantity's for personal use. |
| 12:38.14 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 12:38.15 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:38.16 | Nyle | enouf, you know what my 30gb /home is on RFS |
| 12:38.25 | vagothcpp | Okay, real question, a source code I have compiled on GCC has worked on all linux operating systems, I try it on debian, It just freezes up. |
| 12:38.29 | Nyle | immagine that |
| 12:38.42 | enouf | ? |
| 12:38.57 | Nyle | vagothcpp, did you compile iton debian or are you just using the binary commpiled elsewhere |
| 12:38.58 | azeem | vagothcpp: debug it |
| 12:39.18 | svk | So what should I be changing in sources.list? At the moment there's this: http://pastebin.ca/1019993 |
| 12:39.24 | vagothcpp | I can't... everythning that tries GCC just... freezes |
| 12:39.32 | Nyle | what he said |
| 12:39.47 | Nyle | vagothcpp, so you say that you are unable to use gcc on your debian system? |
| 12:39.55 | Nyle | at all? |
| 12:39.58 | vagothcpp | Nope |
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| 12:40.05 | vagothcpp | I tried a hello world application.. |
| 12:40.08 | vagothcpp | did not work |
| 12:40.24 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 12:40.24 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:40.36 | Nyle | !ask |
| 12:40.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:40.40 | vagothcpp | It freezez the system |
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| 12:40.49 | maligor | it freezes the kernel? |
| 12:41.00 | Nyle | vagothcpp, kern panic? |
| 12:41.13 | Nyle | which debian? |
| 12:41.22 | Nyle | which kernel? |
| 12:41.26 | vagothcpp | The whole damn system, it needs to be powered off by hand, which is a pain since it is not where I am operating from |
| 12:41.39 | enouf | svk: well, do you want to upgrade the system to lenny? |
| 12:41.42 | maligor | do you execute the hello world as root? |
| 12:42.02 | vagothcpp | No |
| 12:42.10 | vagothcpp | I am using debian 4.0 for AMD64 |
| 12:42.27 | maligor | etch eh |
| 12:42.29 | cal | I got into the www dir |
| 12:42.38 | Nyle | stable on amd64 is still... iffy |
| 12:42.40 | cal | and everything is read-only |
| 12:42.51 | Nyle | cal, that is good |
| 12:43.01 | stew | vagothcpp: i'd recommend running memtest86+ |
| 12:43.02 | maligor | Nyle, what? iffy as in: running hello world crashes the kernel? |
| 12:43.06 | cal | Nyle: no, you can't edit anything |
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| 12:43.30 | vagothcpp | I am running a Sun Fire X4440. |
| 12:43.32 | Nyle | stew msg |
| 12:43.33 | cal | well.. I'll have to fix it later |
| 12:43.37 | cal | has to go |
| 12:43.38 | vagothcpp | With debian 4.0 AMD 64 |
| 12:43.54 | svk | Yes, I believe that's what I want to do (basically, I want to have a "clean" system and not have to downgrade packages) |
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| 12:43.57 | enouf | svk: anyway - if you do want that - change etch to lenny in lines 1 through 7, remove or comment out line 9, leave 10 (simple sid backports), and remove the preferences file, not needed anymore really |
| 12:44.12 | svk | And then dist-upgrade? |
| 12:44.25 | vagothcpp | When exucuted the whole system does not receive input and after 2 minutes I get disconnect from ssh |
| 12:44.38 | jelly | is there a way to change the uuid on an ext3fs? |
| 12:44.42 | enouf | svk: then /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:44.44 | martian67 | enouf: dpkg gets grumpy when you delete config files |
| 12:44.52 | vagothcpp | I go to server which is a 45 minute drive... Find it is completly frozen blank, I have to power off and restart. |
| 12:44.55 | jelly | !tell martian67 -about confmiss |
| 12:45.21 | enouf | martian67: not really, i comment/uncomment (or have) many times |
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| 12:45.34 | stew | Nyle: what? |
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| 12:45.40 | Nyle | check your msg |
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| 12:46.00 | svk | Okay, thanks |
| 12:46.08 | enouf | svk: obviously apt-get update |
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| 12:46.36 | enouf | svk: once you perform those other steps i mentioned and read what the factoid says |
| 12:47.00 | zyx386 | every one tell how can active wireless adapter pci on debian etch? this is outpu from "lspci" http://paste.debian.net/3142/ , thanx |
| 12:47.19 | enouf | jelly: i think so .. hrm |
| 12:47.53 | zyx386 | i hope every have answer :) |
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| 12:49.16 | enouf | jelly: man tune2fs, see -U |
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| 12:49.30 | jelly | meh, a rtfm! |
| 12:49.33 | g00se | Is this a correct invocation of the ssh perl script? |
| 12:49.35 | g00se | goose@hpbrio:/tmp$ sudo perl dowkd.pl file /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
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| 12:49.50 | vagothcpp | feels abandoned. |
| 12:49.55 | themill | zyx386: lspci -nn | grep Ether |
| 12:50.16 | enouf | jelly: it's all there though .. uuidgen too :-P |
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| 12:50.33 | themill | g00se: yes, but just use the ssh-vulnkey tool instead. /msg dpkg dsa1756 |
| 12:50.36 | azeem | vagothcpp: well, check your hardware then |
| 12:50.43 | svk | Thanks for the help, dist-upgrade looks as if it's going to do the correct thing now, I'll try it.. |
| 12:50.49 | azeem | vagothcpp: there's no way a hello world executable run by a user will freeze your server |
| 12:50.55 | g00se | themill: Thanks |
| 12:51.04 | azeem | unless your fork-bombing it in your hello world or something |
| 12:51.07 | vagothcpp | It is trying to compile it that is freezing it |
| 12:51.20 | vagothcpp | all my hardware comes with my server when purchased. |
| 12:51.22 | rwaite | i have a question, i've been waiting for the new version of openbox to come to lenny, its in sid, and when i look at the update excuses file it says needs 10 days, has 10 days. .. shouldnt it already be in lenny then? |
| 12:51.25 | vagothcpp | http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4440/ if you need to know. |
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| 12:51.42 | g00se | /leave #debian |
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| 12:52.03 | azeem | rwaite: other things might hold it up |
| 12:52.10 | zyx386 | themill, greb is not command |
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| 12:52.20 | rwaite | how would i properly track down what could be holding it up |
| 12:52.29 | azeem | zyx386: he said grep |
| 12:52.32 | azeem | zyx386: pay attention |
| 12:52.32 | rwaite | look for its deps? |
| 12:52.37 | themill | !typeosmite zyx386 |
| 12:52.41 | themill | FAIL |
| 12:52.43 | azeem | rwaite: testing migrations are difficult |
| 12:52.55 | jelly | vagothcpp: are you running amd64 or i386? |
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| 12:53.26 | rwaite | azeem: i know, i am waiting patiently, i just wanted to be sure of why it wasnt comin over |
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| 12:53.38 | vagothcpp | amd64 |
| 12:53.40 | cosmodad | heya... what would I need to grep for if I wanted to check for openssl leak attacks? I tried "grep publickey /var/log/auth*" and couldn't find anything suspicious, but I wonder if that suffices. |
| 12:53.47 | rwaite | i dont see libobrender in the excuses file, even tho its updated in sid |
| 12:53.50 | cosmodad | grep for in the logs, of course. |
| 12:53.59 | jelly | vagothcpp: if your hardware is really new, try using a newer kernel instead of the default 2.6.18 |
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| 12:54.33 | vagothcpp | Will try tomorrow, server is frozen and I really am not going to drive there/back for that, thank you very much. |
| 12:55.07 | zyx386 | themill, http://paste.debian.net/3144/ |
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| 12:55.43 | jelly | vagothcpp: there's 2.6.24 in etch-proposed-updates, I think |
| 12:55.46 | alex12 | whats the command in etch to set my locales agian? |
| 12:55.51 | shyam_k` | in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config i am choosing maildir in the home dir and while i restart it says fail to restart |
| 12:56.16 | antgel | shyam_k`: check the log |
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| 12:56.25 | vagothcpp | jelly: Thank You. |
| 12:56.54 | antgel | alex12: at least /msg dpkg locales |
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| 12:57.14 | alex12 | yeah i just did a dpkg-reconfigure locales ... got that |
| 12:57.16 | shyam_k` | and i done /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m is that any good antgel ? |
| 12:57.17 | alex12 | but still getting: |
| 12:57.18 | alex12 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 12:57.18 | alex12 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 12:57.18 | alex12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.18 | alex12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:57.27 | shyam_k` | antgel: where can i look for logs? |
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| 12:57.40 | meff | alex12: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 12:57.49 | antgel | shyam_k`: /msg dpkg logs |
| 12:58.06 | toor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.20 | zyx386 | themill, ? |
| 12:58.23 | alex12 | meff, nope still says unset |
| 12:58.27 | themill | zyx386: that wireless driver is unknown in the stock linux kernel.... |
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| 12:58.33 | rysiek | yellow |
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| 12:58.52 | enouf | locale-gen |
| 12:59.18 | zyx386 | themill, you mean most i remove debian and install windows? |
| 12:59.29 | rysiek | guys, am I missing something, or is there no way of telling syslogd to log messages from remote hosts to, say, /var/log/SOME_IP.log? |
| 13:00.04 | rysiek | something along the lines of: SOME_IP.* /var/log/SOME_IP.log (in syslog.conf |
| 13:00.06 | rysiek | ) |
| 13:00.17 | rysiek | manpages and google do not give any such examples |
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| 13:00.28 | jelly | rysiek: you'll probably want syslog-ng |
| 13:00.29 | mquin | rysiek: AIUI the basic syslogd isn't that smart, but I'd expect syslog-ng could do it |
| 13:00.42 | rysiek | ah |
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| 13:00.58 | rysiek | so it's grep-fu for me ;) |
| 13:01.02 | rysiek | thanks |
| 13:01.06 | fairway | hello. how do you guys include a notice for your PGP key in your email signature? put URL to public key in it? |
| 13:01.18 | zyx386 | ok themill you have no answer more for my question? |
| 13:01.41 | rysiek | fairway: or, rather, a link to a kayserver containing it |
| 13:01.46 | rysiek | *kyserver |
| 13:01.48 | mquin | fairway: upload your key to one of the keyservers and put the key ID in yourt .sig |
| 13:01.50 | rysiek | -_-' |
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| 13:02.03 | fairway | mquin: thought about this: key id is sufficient. |
| 13:02.18 | themill | zyx386: I know nothing about that card. Try asking google, or specifically asking about the Marvell 88w8335 Libertas card. |
| 13:02.36 | mquin | fairway: ? |
| 13:02.52 | jelly | fairway: if the message is signed, you don't need to embed the key id in there at all. ;-) |
| 13:02.57 | fairway | mquin: key id in .sig is sufficient. |
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| 13:03.13 | fairway | jelly: really? |
| 13:03.31 | mquin | fairway: yes, and what jelly said is right |
| 13:03.34 | zyx386 | themill, thanx i use google, is't new info for me |
| 13:03.57 | fairway | thx guys |
| 13:04.17 | mquin | if you sign a message the verifying client will get the ID (aand, if configured to do so, automatically go out to the keyservers for the key) |
| 13:04.22 | jelly | fairway: yes. at least mutt will try to verify the signature and report if your key -x12345678 is missing. |
| 13:04.26 | alex12 | enouf, thanks |
| 13:04.45 | alex12 | enouf, ahh nope still getting the same error : |
| 13:04.48 | jelly | fairway: but putting the id in the sig is not unusual either |
| 13:04.52 | alex12 | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 13:04.52 | alex12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.53 | alex12 | etc |
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| 13:05.06 | jelly | alex12: pastebin the output of "locale" command |
| 13:05.09 | fairway | jelly: only key id? |
| 13:05.28 | alex12 | http://pastebin.com/m17ade8a3 |
| 13:05.30 | alex12 | =) |
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| 13:05.39 | jelly | fairway: right. "gnupg key id 0x23421423" |
| 13:05.44 | fairway | thanks jelly |
| 13:05.56 | g00se | themill: so ssh-vulnkey can be regarded as authoratitive? |
| 13:05.58 | alex12 | i tihnk i need to install the language pack for that locale? |
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| 13:06.17 | fairway | jelly: just wondered whats a common way |
| 13:06.20 | themill | g00se: I wouldn't have thought so.... |
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| 13:08.10 | alex12 | jelly, enouf - any clues? |
| 13:08.41 | perfector | how can i make my custom kernel-image package build initramfs while installation?? |
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| 13:12.09 | ^donald^ | After a dist-upgrade i have two versions installed of libssl: libssl0.9.7/etch and libssl0.9.8/etch - Why? |
| 13:12.47 | enouf | alex12: dpkg -l locales | grep ^.i |
| 13:12.58 | ^donald^ | and is it dangerous to have two versions? |
| 13:13.03 | alex12 | localedef -v -c -i en_US -f UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:13.05 | azeem | ^donald^: libssl0.9.7 is probably no longer needed |
| 13:13.11 | alex12 | found this ... and it worked enouf |
| 13:13.14 | azeem | ^donald^: run apt-cache rdepends libssl0.9.7 |
| 13:13.20 | enouf | alex12: cat /etc/default/locale |
| 13:13.22 | azeem | and see whether any packages get printed |
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| 13:16.00 | ^donald^ | azeem: ok, but i have now recreate all the certificates and keys for openvpn with both verions installed. Are the keys still affected with the openssl bug? |
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| 13:16.15 | heroxbd | ls |
| 13:16.25 | ^donald^ | azeem: openssl/etch uptodate 0.9.8c-4etch3 |
| 13:18.04 | ^donald^ | azeem: whitch lib does openssl use? I hope the newest, or? |
| 13:18.22 | themill | ^donald^: if you have libssl0.9.8 updates then newly created keys/certs are not affected. But old ones are. |
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| 13:19.24 | themill | ^donald^: libssl0.9.7 was unaffected by this bug anyway. |
| 13:19.29 | jelly | does apt-cache rdepends libssl0.9.7|grep ^ |xargs echo sudo aptitude purge |
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| 13:19.58 | pingouin | hello |
| 13:20.24 | pingouin | someone know how to burn dvd file prepared with opendvd, under linux ? |
| 13:21.04 | ^donald^ | themill: OK. thank you very much. I was not sure, what happens, when both versions are installed. I saw that too late. |
| 13:21.10 | rysiek | gtg, cu all |
| 13:21.15 | maligor | pingouin, what format is it? |
| 13:21.29 | perfector | pls help me make my custom kernel-image package build initramfs while installation?? |
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| 13:22.25 | maligor | make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd? |
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| 13:22.45 | rdz | sorry, if this has been asked several times before, but i was notified, that there was a bug in openSSL discovered. is there an official resource about how to check security and what to do in order to get rid of that bug and any possible security wholes? |
| 13:22.59 | stew | rdz: /topic |
| 13:23.07 | pingouin | maligor: there is 2 directory : Opendvd and VIDEO_TS , the Opendvd file contains DVD.dvd and a sources directory (which contains VTS_01_1_VOB.ses) |
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| 13:23.28 | [celia] | bons dias |
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| 13:23.38 | rdz | stew, thanks |
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| 13:23.44 | pingouin | and VIDEO_TS directory contains .bup .ifo .vob |
| 13:23.50 | maligor | pingouin, didn't come as a image huh? |
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| 13:24.06 | pingouin | maligor: seems to be 'ready' to be burn.... but..whith what ?! |
| 13:24.10 | maligor | VIDEO_TS sounds like a normal DVD Video contents |
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| 13:24.47 | maligor | I think the Video DVD's were UDF with a file structure like that in it |
| 13:25.08 | ricosecada | I have set up amavis with spamassassin on Debian Etch but I want to disable clamav. I thought is was done in /etc/amavis/conf.d/15-content_filter_mode, but I get errors like: ClamAV-clamd: Can't connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl What am I missing? |
| 13:25.13 | pingouin | i thought 'Open' was make it easier to burn :/ |
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| 13:25.29 | pingouin | something 'standart' it's not the case |
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| 13:26.13 | maligor | pingouin, I guess you could try brasero/k3b ect to burn it |
| 13:26.59 | pingouin | gonna try it |
| 13:28.03 | maligor | not too sure if it was UDF tho |
| 13:28.55 | azeem | ^donald^: what does that have to do with 0.9.7? |
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| 13:31.34 | ^donald^ | azeem: I thought when i have the both, the old libssl0.9.7 and the new libssl0.9.8 installed, the new keys are also broken. I know thats a bit paranoid, but i think openssl0.9.8c-4etch3 use only the newes libssl? |
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| 13:32.05 | ^donald^ | azeem: themill wrote already, that 0.9.7 was not affacted by this random bug. |
| 13:32.24 | azeem | ^donald^: then maybe ask a more specific question in the future |
| 13:32.30 | SethX | re all |
| 13:32.51 | SethX | i'm trying to set up vqadmin, and have a problem with sexec |
| 13:32.54 | SethX | i get )Permission denied: exec of '/usr/lib/apache2/suexec' failed |
| 13:33.14 | SethX | anybody got an idea on what is causing this? |
| 13:33.16 | Cyan | guys can i ask u something?how can i enable the 3D acceleration on Debian 2.6.18-6-amd64?i am using a ATI Mobility x1600 video card |
| 13:33.20 | ^donald^ | azeem: apt-get should remove the old lib. |
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| 13:33.40 | SethX | if i disable suexec vqadmin complains it cant tell the username, and it wont run for security reasons |
| 13:33.42 | azeem | ^donald^: not the version of apt in etch, though |
| 13:33.53 | maligor | Cyan, is that etch? |
| 13:33.59 | ^donald^ | azeem: yup. |
| 13:34.00 | Cyan | yp |
| 13:34.22 | ^donald^ | azeem: thanks, i must no go through and distibute the new certificates. bye. |
| 13:34.29 | Cyan | i have installed fglrx and fglrx-kernel-source but i can't make it work :s |
| 13:34.43 | maligor | install module-assistant too |
| 13:34.49 | themill | !tell Cyan about fglrx one-liner |
| 13:35.01 | Cyan | oki brb gonna check it out :) |
| 13:35.27 | maligor | Cyan, the driver in stable seems to be a bit old tho |
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| 13:35.58 | Cyan | :s |
| 13:36.31 | Cyan | btw i am a bit noob with everything related to linux...i started using linux like 1 month ago :s |
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| 13:38.32 | maligor | Cyan, mm.. well, you can use the installer on ati.amd.com, --buildpkg Debian/etch will make you debs |
| 13:38.44 | maligor | they're not as clean as the ones in debian repos tho |
| 13:38.45 | E-bola | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.51 | themill | maligor: yuck. |
| 13:38.54 | E-bola | am i automatically protected from bruteforce attacks? |
| 13:39.04 | E-bola | (if im using a server where i dont use certificate based authentication) |
| 13:39.19 | nevyn | nope |
| 13:39.25 | maligor | themill, well, they're better than using nvidia .run installer to clobber everything :P |
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| 13:39.38 | Cyan | oki mali gonna try that one too then :) |
| 13:39.40 | E-bola | nyven: so what steps do i need to take? |
| 13:39.46 | themill | maligor: a little.... |
| 13:39.58 | nevyn | E-bola: sorry I missed the bit above. |
| 13:40.35 | nevyn | E-bola: if the packages regenerate the keys. you need to verify that no user on your system has a weak key in their .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:41.06 | E-bola | nevyn: .ssh/authorized_keys means a remote system can login without specifying a password right? |
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| 13:41.23 | azeem | E-bola: the key might still have a password on it |
| 13:41.29 | nevyn | E-bola: not quite but that's the short version yes |
| 13:41.41 | nevyn | azeem: doesn't matter if it's a weak key |
| 13:41.53 | E-bola | nevyn: So if nobody on the system has .ssh/authorized_keys in their profile |
| 13:41.56 | E-bola | i dont have a problem? |
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| 13:42.22 | nevyn | you still may need to regenrate your host keys for ssh but the package should do that. |
| 13:42.23 | E-bola | I was a bit confused if the ssh server has some sort of internal certificate i manualy need to generate |
| 13:42.41 | nevyn | E-bola: ssh server has a pair of host keys |
| 13:42.59 | nevyn | but the new packages should find those and fix them. |
| 13:43.13 | E-bola | Ok perfect, thats what i wanted to know |
| 13:43.29 | nevyn | E-bola: if you have any web certificates you may need to regenerate those and get them resigned by your issuer |
| 13:43.48 | E-bola | nevyn: Yep that part makes sence to me. |
| 13:43.57 | E-bola | Im only worried about systems where SSH is open to the world |
| 13:44.05 | nevyn | E-bola: the .ssh directories of all users should be examined |
| 13:44.22 | nevyn | both for weak keys they're using to get into other systems |
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| 13:44.38 | nevyn | and for keys in authorized_keys |
| 13:44.43 | nevyn | that are weak |
| 13:45.16 | E-bola | When you connect to a new system for the first timer, it asks you if you wanna accept that systems host key (i tihnk thats what its called) Which of the above is these certificates/keys? |
| 13:45.28 | nevyn | that's it. |
| 13:45.39 | nevyn | they're in /etc/sshd |
| 13:45.51 | nevyn | E-bola: they're completely seperate |
| 13:45.55 | E-bola | But how can those be abused? If you wanna fake being that system? So you can do some sort of man int he middle? |
| 13:46.04 | nevyn | yeah |
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| 13:46.19 | nevyn | plus you can derive data if you have the tcp stream |
| 13:46.29 | nevyn | so scp'd files are possibly compramised |
| 13:46.30 | E-bola | Alright. Thanks then i think i have it somewhat under control |
| 13:46.31 | stew | E-bola: if those keys are weak, an evesdropper can monitor and decrypt the ssh session |
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| 13:47.00 | E-bola | Is this a tool to locate any weak keys? http://security.debian.org/project/extra/dowkd/dowkd.pl.gz |
| 13:47.09 | E-bola | The homepage was a bit unclear on what precisely it was |
| 13:47.11 | nevyn | that's one.. I think ssh-vulnkeys is better |
| 13:47.56 | nevyn | dowkd is of limited effectiveness as it shows weak keys but can't garuntee that keys it doesn't say are weak are strong. |
| 13:48.07 | nevyn | they're just not weak in the ways it's checking |
| 13:48.10 | themill | E-bola: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 13:48.25 | Ericccc | hi |
| 13:48.28 | nevyn | hi |
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| 13:48.33 | themill | nevyn: I suspect the blacklists are the same |
| 13:48.36 | Ericccc | hi |
| 13:48.37 | Ericccc | is makedev very usefull on boot ? |
| 13:48.48 | E-bola | themill: I already did. And i read the homepages, im just asking questions i couldnt find the answer to |
| 13:48.58 | nevyn | themill: the blacklists based on the metasploit rainbow lists should be pretty conclusive |
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| 13:50.01 | themill | E-bola: did you read the wiki page? |
| 13:50.47 | E-bola | themill: nope i read http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 , im browsing the wiki now, it looks more informative |
| 13:51.05 | themill | E-bola: Indeed. That's why I pointed you towards it. |
| 13:51.11 | Neeku | qoreqyas: i installed gthumb, but just like GQView, images are zoomed in very much; each time I have to fit them to the window manually |
| 13:51.36 | E-bola | themill: it however does not mention ssh-vulnkeys, and i cant find it via google either? (nor apt-file) |
| 13:51.42 | E-bola | Where do i get the ssh-vulnkeys util? |
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| 13:51.43 | nevyn | themill: well done on that page btw. |
| 13:51.59 | nevyn | E-bola: I thought I read it there. |
| 13:52.23 | E-bola | ohh its there |
| 13:52.32 | E-bola | weird, my IE doesnt find it in a search heh |
| 13:52.51 | themill | E-bola: it does.... :) it's in the openssh-client package. |
| 13:52.56 | nevyn | vulnkey not keys.. my bad |
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| 13:53.33 | E-bola | ahh thats why i didnt find it via search hehe |
| 13:53.35 | themill | E-bola: IE??? What's that? I've heard of it. It's some old web browser or something, isn't it? |
| 13:53.43 | nevyn | themill: legacy... |
| 13:53.44 | Neeku | qoreqyas: how can i fix it? |
| 13:53.48 | E-bola | themill: i woudlnt say its old :) |
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| 13:54.12 | nevyn | E-bola: so it supports current web standards? |
| 13:54.16 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 13:54.23 | themill | !tell h0ax about root |
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| 13:54.37 | msshams | where can i find php.ini file/ |
| 13:54.37 | msshams | ? |
| 13:54.44 | nevyn | themill: can't we just automate that? |
| 13:55.17 | themill | nevyn: I gather it is usually, but it's often a good idea to do it manually from the channel too. |
| 13:56.08 | nevyn | so the thing that strikes me about the openssl thing. is while everyone's focused on the code change being ill advised |
| 13:56.19 | nevyn | there's actually a whole litany of things that went wrong in the story |
| 13:56.32 | qoreqyas | Neeku: why do you ask me? i have never done anything with those programs. |
| 13:56.44 | E-bola | Its the biggest problem ive had with the debian distribution in 6 years to be honest, atleast the most serious |
| 13:57.10 | nevyn | so there was the patch to stop valgrind complaining applied to the dbg log |
| 13:57.12 | generic | hi all i want to restrict printing |
| 13:57.18 | generic | for particular machine |
| 13:57.21 | generic | through cups |
| 13:57.24 | Neeku | qoreqyas: sorry...! I thought you might know... |
| 13:57.34 | nevyn | discussed on the wrong list. (openssl-dev rather than openssl-team (who knew?)) |
| 13:57.48 | nevyn | merged into the non-dbg build |
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| 13:58.20 | alberto | hi |
| 13:58.22 | Neeku | i installed gthumb, but just like GQView, images are zoomed in very much; each time I have to fit them to the window manually. any way to fix it? |
| 13:58.25 | themill | nevyn: these questions are being asked but this is not the right place for the discussion. |
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| 13:58.42 | qoreqyas | Neeku: i hope you dont try the next guy in this channel ;) |
| 13:58.44 | nevyn | themill: I'm not pointing blame.. |
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| 13:59.11 | themill | nevyn: I know, but this is primarily a support channel not a metadiscussion channel. |
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| 13:59.48 | nevyn | themill: sigh.. /me remembers the good old days. |
| 13:59.56 | E-bola | Setting up openssh-server (4.3p2-9etch1) ... |
| 13:59.56 | E-bola | mv: cannot stat `/etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub': No such file or directory |
| 14:00.01 | E-bola | How should i interpret this? |
| 14:00.04 | Neeku | qoreqyas: i tried all people in here! :D :-/ , there's no #gthumb here... |
| 14:00.30 | nevyn | E-bola: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 14:00.40 | themill | nevyn: discussion about the project itself is for #debian-devel on oftc. |
| 14:01.12 | qoreqyas | Neeku: i was j/k, i meant you adress the next guy in this channel.. anyhow j/k. |
| 14:01.24 | qoreqyas | .oO(a little provocation) |
| 14:01.25 | nevyn | E-bola: there is no host key which is making ssh sad. |
| 14:01.34 | E-bola | nevyn: how coudl that happen? |
| 14:01.57 | nevyn | E-bola: did you delete them? |
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| 14:02.08 | E-bola | nevyn: my co-owkrer did some certificate work yesterday |
| 14:02.16 | E-bola | and he is very mmm "junior" |
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| 14:02.21 | E-bola | so he mgiht have fucked it up :/ |
| 14:02.41 | Neeku | qoreqyas: np :)... still i love that thinkbubbles... |
| 14:02.43 | nevyn | E-bola: do you have a /etc/ssh directory? if you rm'd the directory dpkg-reconfigure won't be able to regenerate them possibly |
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| 14:03.10 | E-bola | Yes the directory is there |
| 14:03.18 | E-bola | The files named .broken, are those the old weak ones? |
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| 14:04.00 | Neeku | qoreqyas: but seems there's no one help me... |
| 14:04.16 | nevyn | E-bola: run dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 14:04.21 | nevyn | E-bola: it'll make new ones. |
| 14:04.32 | nevyn | ensure you have an actual fixed openssh and openssl first |
| 14:04.33 | qoreqyas | neeku: what do you want to do (i dont mean what program you want to use). just what you want to do... |
| 14:04.52 | E-bola | nevyn: i already did, and the news ones are made |
| 14:04.59 | nevyn | E-bola: restart sshd |
| 14:05.02 | antgel | in wmaker, if i remove a title bar from an app's window, how do i get it back? |
| 14:05.08 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 14:05.09 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:05.13 | Neeku | I want to fit the images to the opened window when i want to view them, they're all zoomed in very much |
| 14:05.13 | E-bola | nevyn: dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server restarted the sshd |
| 14:05.17 | E-bola | so i think everything is fine now |
| 14:05.30 | antgel | !tell E-bola about enter |
| 14:05.32 | E-bola | Now i just gotta do this on a ton of systems :/ |
| 14:06.00 | E-bola | antgel: it gets you more attention im afraid, so its a cheap trick to get answers hehe |
| 14:06.16 | antgel | E-bola: i'm not laughing |
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| 14:06.42 | qoreqyas | Neeku: you mean you want to window to fit the "normal" image size so they are not zoomed? |
| 14:07.04 | qoreqyas | s/to wi/the wi/ |
| 14:07.07 | E-bola | antgel: What a shame, the world looks better through a smile. |
| 14:07.08 | Neeku | qoreqyas: yes |
| 14:07.18 | qoreqyas | Neeku: write it then ;) lemme check, mompl |
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| 14:07.37 | antgel | E-bola: thanks for the lesson in philosophy |
| 14:08.05 | E-bola | antgel: you're very welcome |
| 14:08.31 | Neeku | qoreqyas: emm... where should i write that? |
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| 14:10.52 | qoreqyas | Neeku: you wrote "I want to fit the images to the opened window when i want to view them" but you dont want the images to fit to the window, you want it the other way around. |
| 14:11.00 | spitfirekdv | Hi all! I try to add rule for portmapping, but receive iptables v1.3.6: Unknown arg `--dport' |
| 14:11.04 | qoreqyas | Neeku: mompl |
| 14:11.22 | spitfirekdv | debian 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 14:11.31 | spitfirekdv | I need to add some modules to iptables? |
| 14:11.32 | qoreqyas | Neeku: i use "feh" all the time, at it does that by default |
| 14:11.44 | qoreqyas | s/at it/and it/ |
| 14:11.46 | qoreqyas | ffs |
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| 14:12.37 | Bushmills | spitfirekdv: man iptables |
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| 14:13.33 | shyam_k | hi i am trying to configure fetchmail and exim,tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and i got the error as this http://www.pastebin.ca/1020077 the mainlog from /var/log/exim4/mainlog is here http://www.pastebin.ca/1020058 |
| 14:13.39 | spitfirekdv | Bushmills this is Debian-specific problem, because this rule works in another distros |
| 14:13.51 | shyam_k | antgel: hi i have the mainlog pasted at http://www.pastebin.ca/1020058 |
| 14:13.54 | Bushmills | spitfirekdv: looks like syntax error to me |
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| 14:14.49 | shyam_k | i am sooo frustrated that from morning to this night i am stuck at one point or other while setting up gnus:( |
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| 14:15.55 | mikke | Is it true? |
| 14:16.15 | mikke | Did some moron at debian really take a perfectly good openssl package and break it/ |
| 14:16.27 | mikke | Therefore making every openssl generated key crackable in about 10 minutes? |
| 14:16.40 | Bushmills | mikke: after he asked the openssl dev team for advise |
| 14:16.59 | mikke | I understand that valgrind complained at some md5 code |
| 14:17.03 | mikke | And so he just removed it |
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| 14:17.17 | Bushmills | complained avout access of uninitialized mem |
| 14:17.42 | Bushmills | so he looked at it, at asked ssl team for advise about his intention to remove "offending" code |
| 14:17.44 | themill | mikke: Please try to be constructive. Do you have a Debian-support-related question we can help you with? |
| 14:17.55 | mikke | Yes themill |
| 14:17.57 | Bushmills | mikke: read before you flame |
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| 14:18.05 | mikke | I have a definite support related question |
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| 14:18.42 | mikke | How long in terms of man hours do you think it would take to regenerate ssh keys, clear the saved key signatures and distribute them to 150+ machines? |
| 14:19.04 | azeem | mikke: depends how good your admin skills are |
| 14:19.11 | nevyn | mikke: a small shell script. |
| 14:19.23 | mikke | Also, if valgrind complained about this md5 issue |
| 14:19.26 | jerome | hi there. I plugged a 20" external monitor to my hp nc2400 shipped with an Intel 945GM graphic card, using kernel 2.6.25, xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.3.1-1. There is always a small yallow rectangle in the upper right corner, from time to time the screen just flashes and after a while (a day or so) it it turns out black for good. I have to reboot to work again. Any idea what I could be searching for ? |
| 14:19.28 | mikke | And this is what openssl recommended |
| 14:19.32 | nevyn | mikke: it was not a md5 issue |
| 14:19.36 | nevyn | mikke: GO READ the wiki |
| 14:19.37 | mikke | Why did openssl not integrate this "hack" into their trunk? |
| 14:19.49 | stew | mikke: you'd have to ask the openssl developers |
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| 14:20.04 | mikke | It wasnt so long ago since some core debian servers got owned was it? |
| 14:20.12 | jerome | of course, I can switch back to LVDS using xrandr, blind typing |
| 14:20.13 | stew | mikke: it was 2003 |
| 14:20.16 | themill | mikke: enough. We're bored of this discussion. |
| 14:20.24 | mikke | Pretty bloody embarrasing lol |
| 14:20.34 | themill | mikke: at this stage, it's just boring. |
| 14:20.53 | mikke | Perhaps boring |
| 14:20.56 | mikke | But definitely embarrasing |
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| 14:21.04 | azeem | sure |
| 14:21.09 | azeem | mikke: do you have another question? |
| 14:21.12 | loxley_ | mikke: dont state the obvious |
| 14:21.13 | mikke | Yes |
| 14:21.16 | Rienzilla | hmmmz |
| 14:21.16 | generic | join #openvpn |
| 14:21.21 | mikke | stew is incorrect, it was not 2003 |
| 14:21.25 | mikke | It was about 6 months ago |
| 14:21.29 | mikke | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Debian-locks-out-developers-after-server-hack/0,130061744,139263432,00.htm |
| 14:21.33 | Rienzilla | is there an exact date when the vulnerable libssl has entered the stable distribution? |
| 14:21.37 | Bushmills | yeah. embarassing the openssl source didn't properly comment such a vital but obscure operation as reading from uninit'ed ram |
| 14:21.41 | Rienzilla | the advisory opnly talks about the date it has entered sid |
| 14:22.06 | azeem | Rienzilla: the date of the advisory? |
| 14:22.08 | Bushmills | and embarrassing, that the openssl devs evidently weren't aware themselves anymore of the risks |
| 14:22.09 | themill | Rienzilla: it went into etch while etch was "testing" so it went into stable when etch became stable. |
| 14:22.17 | stew | Rienzilla: the advisory was an advisory that a new package had entered stable |
| 14:22.21 | azeem | oh |
| 14:22.24 | stew | oh |
| 14:22.26 | Rienzilla | hmmm ok |
| 14:22.41 | stew | Rienzilla: it would have entered stable on the date that etch was released as stable |
| 14:22.44 | Rienzilla | ok |
| 14:23.02 | Rienzilla | so all my keys generated after a system has been upgraded to etch are broken |
| 14:23.04 | azeem | mikke: that's two years ago |
| 14:23.11 | azeem | Rienzilla: yes |
| 14:23.16 | azeem | Rienzilla: not gpg keys, though |
| 14:23.19 | nevyn | Bushmills: that's not quite accurate. |
| 14:23.21 | Rienzilla | which is probably the last modification of /etc/debian_version |
| 14:23.32 | mikke | Rienzilla: Yes |
| 14:23.36 | Rienzilla | ok |
| 14:23.38 | mikke | All your openssl generated keys on debian are shit |
| 14:23.40 | Juventino | guys, if i'm trying to install some app, and aptitude asks me to upgrade from a stabe version to another stable version, is that ok? |
| 14:23.46 | Bushmills | nevyn: which one? that a comment may have been important there? |
| 14:24.02 | nevyn | openssl-dev doesn't discuss the development of openssl.. obviously right. |
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| 14:24.18 | stew | nevyn: what? |
| 14:24.24 | billybongo | I've got an https site with a 3des cert with passphrase - does anyone know if I can store that somewhere so that apache doesn't need it typing in each time? |
| 14:24.39 | nevyn | openssl-dev is for people writing software that uses openssl... openssl-team is where the people who actually write openssl hang out. |
| 14:24.50 | azeem | nevyn: please meta-discuss the openssl issue in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:24.50 | stew | nevyn: this is incorrect |
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| 14:24.59 | nevyn | oh ok. |
| 14:25.13 | Rienzilla | then I'm quite sure this openssl-vulnkey thing leaves a lot of false-negatives (>80% of my keys which are generated before that date are not blacklisted) |
| 14:25.43 | azeem | Rienzilla: and they are flagged as weak? |
| 14:25.48 | jerome | hum, seems there is something from ubuntu forums ... Option "FramebufferCompression" "off" |
| 14:25.54 | Rienzilla | no, they are not flagged as weak, while they must be weak |
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| 14:26.06 | azeem | Rienzilla: what is "that date" then? |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | Juventino: which package? |
| 14:26.25 | Rienzilla | azeem: the date I upgraded this system to etch |
| 14:26.25 | Crypticfortune | Rienzilla: before which date? if you mean before etch, that's correctly (in fact, there shouldn't be that 20% if they were generated in sarge =p |
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| 14:26.36 | azeem | Rienzilla: why do you think those keys are weak? |
| 14:26.40 | Crypticfortune | s/correctly/correct/ |
| 14:26.43 | Juventino | abrotman they were some libraries |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | billybongo: the ssl docs tell you how to clear thee passphrase |
| 14:27.05 | abrotman | Juventino: need more details |
| 14:27.18 | Rienzilla | I upgraded to etch 28/10/2006. And keys generated on this machine in november 2006 are not flagged as blacklisted |
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| 14:27.30 | Juventino | abrotman sorry i don't have the exact details, put i'll paste it around when i do |
| 14:27.34 | azeem | Rienzilla: you said "before that date" |
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| 14:27.56 | Juventino | brb |
| 14:28.00 | Rienzilla | uhm |
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| 14:28.03 | abrotman | Juventino: good plan! |
| 14:28.04 | Rienzilla | sorry, I meant after |
| 14:28.07 | Crypticfortune | Rienzilla: did it also say something about "appropriate blacklist not available?" |
| 14:28.14 | Rienzilla | keys generated before are obviously not weak |
| 14:28.29 | azeem | Rienzilla: what tool did you use? |
| 14:28.32 | Oppzie | hi |
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| 14:28.38 | Coke | Hi. My Xorg keyboard layout is "sv" and I have the layout correct, but two errors occur: 1) only en_US characters are displayed, 2) double key characters (like accents over vowls) doesn't work. What could be the problem? |
| 14:28.51 | Coke | My keyboard works correctly in console. |
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| 14:29.19 | Rienzilla | Crypticfortune: no |
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| 14:29.34 | vjoe | hey |
| 14:29.37 | Rienzilla | azeem: openssl-vulnkey 0.1... which is listed somewhere on the wiki page from debian.org |
| 14:29.42 | azeem | ok |
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| 14:29.51 | Ericccc | whats the package of fuser ? |
| 14:30.01 | Oppzie | http://mail-index.netbsd.org/security-announce/2008/05/08/msg000007.html and http://mail-index.netbsd.org/security-announ |
| 14:30.01 | vjoe | how can I make regular users access usb devices such as a scanner through xsane? |
| 14:30.07 | Oppzie | new openssl vulnerabilities |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | !tell Ericccc about search |
| 14:30.18 | vjoe | I have found this but I am not really getting it |
| 14:30.18 | vjoe | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/libusb-devices-only-accessable-as-root-236758/ |
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| 14:30.59 | rot26 | I'm trying to compile an out-of-tree kernel module from the pristine kernel source |
| 14:31.04 | rot26 | I've installed build-essential (which includes the kernel headers), yet when I drill down into the pristine source and try to make modules, the out-of-tree modules are still not compiled |
| 14:31.37 | rot26 | do I have to tweak the makefile in my kernel headers too? |
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| 14:32.13 | billybongo | abrotman - so they do . Thanks for that |
| 14:32.14 | robboplus | folks, what is a maximum memory that 32-bit debian can handle? someone is telling me that it's 3GB... i don't believe it |
| 14:32.26 | ktwilight | is rsync dependent on ssh?? |
| 14:32.27 | Rienzilla | 2^32 |
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| 14:32.38 | robboplus | Rienzilla is that 4GB? |
| 14:32.39 | ktwilight | according to the package it isn't, but i have an error that seems so. |
| 14:32.46 | Rienzilla | yes |
| 14:32.49 | billybongo | robboplus: as much as you want to fit in if you build your own kernel |
| 14:32.51 | abrotman | 64GB with -bigmem |
| 14:33.38 | robboplus | hm |
| 14:33.38 | petemc | ktwilight: it defaults to using ssh as the transport, i believe |
| 14:33.38 | robboplus | so just bigmem kernel is the solution |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | robboplus: how much RAM do you have? |
| 14:33.39 | ktwilight | petemc, oh my :/ yet the package is not dependent on openssh-client? that's just so wrong. |
| 14:34.06 | petemc | ktwilight: what error do you get? |
| 14:34.10 | mikke | ktwilight: You dont have to use ssh with rsync, you can use any transport you like |
| 14:34.16 | mikke | ktwilight: But ssh is the default transport |
| 14:34.28 | ktwilight | petemc, http://rafb.net/p/3IGA8C76.html |
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| 14:34.31 | abrotman | if available? |
| 14:34.34 | mikke | Perhaps openssh should be a dependancy of rsync, who knows |
| 14:34.41 | mikke | It's not absolutely required though |
| 14:34.41 | h0ax | should pidgin be in my resps ? |
| 14:34.47 | ktwilight | mikke, hm, am trying to find how to change the transport. |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | or gaim 1.9999rc999999999 |
| 14:35.08 | robboplus | abrotman we have 8GB in this particular box |
| 14:35.10 | h0ax | abrotman, i want to use pidgin though =/ |
| 14:35.13 | ktwilight | true, still, that'd mean rsync default transport should be changed or its dependency must change |
| 14:35.21 | stew | ktwilight: if not told otherwise (with a -e option) rsync uses rsh. on debian systems, unless you have actually installed rsh, ssh is installed as the default alternative for rsh |
| 14:35.26 | h0ax | compiling from source is hassle :P |
| 14:35.33 | abrotman | h0ax: try it first before complaining |
| 14:35.53 | h0ax | i've tried gaim before. |
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| 14:36.06 | abrotman | h0ax: just try it |
| 14:36.41 | h0ax | no, i don't like gain |
| 14:36.41 | stew | h0ax: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:36.44 | h0ax | gaim* |
| 14:37.03 | abrotman | it is pidguin\ |
| 14:37.09 | vjoe | how can I make regular users access usb devices such as a scanner through xsane? |
| 14:37.18 | stew | are gaim and pidgin different other than the name? |
| 14:37.19 | ktwilight | stew, right, so should i file a bug to make rsync be dependent on openssh-client ? |
| 14:37.22 | abrotman | no |
| 14:37.26 | dFence | *DARRRRN* smooth move... upgrading the openssh-package via ssh-terminal >_< |
| 14:37.52 | stew | ktwilight: no, it runs fine without ssh, and it already Suggests: openssh-client |
| 14:37.53 | nevyn | dFence: that works. |
| 14:38.01 | abrotman | !info gaim etch |
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| 14:38.04 | nevyn | sshd can restart without disrupting current connections |
| 14:38.21 | deb08 | dFence: no problem |
| 14:38.23 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 14:38.23 | ktwilight | stew, well, i don't have rsh nor ssh, so i guess it's a user fault rather than dependency? |
| 14:38.24 | dFence | nevyn: oh cool, didn't know that |
| 14:38.27 | h0ax | stew, ty |
| 14:38.42 | stew | ktwilight: what is a user fault? |
| 14:38.42 | abrotman | see .. pidgin/gaim .. same |
| 14:38.56 | ktwilight | stew, for not installing either of 'em without knowing which rsync requires |
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| 14:40.40 | twobitwork | gaim was forced to change their name because AOL are a bunch of bitches... |
| 14:40.58 | abrotman | insightful |
| 14:41.28 | twobitwork | right? wasn't is something about AOL complaining about the name? |
| 14:41.58 | mikke | yes |
| 14:42.05 | mikke | AIM is AOL's messenger |
| 14:42.10 | mikke | And apparently GAIM was too similar |
| 14:42.19 | mikke | So it became pigin or whatever its called now |
| 14:42.25 | twobitwork | pidgin |
| 14:42.27 | nevyn | it was always a problem. they didn't care so much when it only did aim |
| 14:42.29 | procdaemon | im surprised it didnt happed sonner |
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| 14:43.42 | NthDegree | mikke: they did it to earn money |
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| 14:43.48 | andrewy | does anyone know if the .key and .crt in /etc/postfix/tls affected by the openssl vulnerability? |
| 14:43.49 | NthDegree | AOL paid GAIM devs cash to change :P |
| 14:44.04 | neoark | http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 14:44.07 | NthDegree | and gave them freedom to interact with the AOL service however they liked |
| 14:44.07 | mikke | I think that's pretty standard |
| 14:44.10 | mikke | Saves AOL a ton of legal fees |
| 14:44.16 | mikke | PayPal did the same with me |
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| 14:44.21 | mikke | But that's another story |
| 14:44.27 | NthDegree | mikke: they did it twice to AOL though :P |
| 14:44.34 | NthDegree | they started off as GTK AIM |
| 14:44.35 | zyx386_ | hi again |
| 14:44.36 | q-tip | Guys I have to install a few laptops with ubuntu whats the best was to do this debian-installer preseed is my inital plan but open to options ? |
| 14:44.40 | mikke | heh maybe I'll try it again with paypal |
| 14:44.44 | NthDegree | then became known as GAIM |
| 14:44.45 | mikke | See if I can get more $ out of them |
| 14:44.53 | Crypticfortune | andrewy: if they were generatd with the etch openssl before thsi week, they are =( |
| 14:44.54 | Bushmills | there is also amsn - An MSN messenger written in Tcl and licq - ICQ client (base files) .. no forced name change yet. |
| 14:45.05 | stew | q-tip: please goto #ubuntu for help installing ubuntu |
| 14:45.06 | zyx386_ | wich wireless pci is good compatible with linux Debian? RECOMMENDED? |
| 14:45.16 | mikke | zyx386_: atheros |
| 14:45.18 | zyx386_ | *which |
| 14:45.25 | mikke | Check the supported hardware list |
| 14:45.29 | mikke | But any of them as far as I know |
| 14:45.30 | themill | stew: from man 1 rsync: "For remote transfers, a modern rsync uses ssh for its communications,..." I presume that's true for debian irrespective of what rsh actually is. |
| 14:45.32 | andrewy | Crypticfortune: right, but I'm not sure if openssl or gnutls generates them, or how to generate those particular files |
| 14:45.48 | NthDegree | neoark: loving the comic ;-p |
| 14:45.52 | q-tip | stew I thought ubuntu was debian based and thought i would get more help here ;) |
| 14:45.54 | humbolto | when I have 2 IDE drives on the same bus (master, slave) with a 80pin conductor cable, does it actually make any sense in terms of speed to have a striping raid0 over these two devices?r these drives in |
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| 14:46.28 | Bushmills | q-tip, too different. your system would suffer |
| 14:46.32 | humbolto | Or do master and slave block each other even with an 80pin cable? |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | q-tip: go to #ubuntu |
| 14:46.41 | humbolto | no simultanous reading I mean? |
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| 14:46.59 | stew | q-tip: ubuntu is debian based. we only support debian here, however, sorry |
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| 14:47.40 | stew | themill: i'll test |
| 14:47.41 | q-tip | bushmills mysystem wouldnt its debian ;)but thanks guys ill go to ubuntu |
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| 14:47.55 | zyx386_ | mikke: BUT WHICH MARKE WITH ATHEROS? |
| 14:48.06 | stew | zyx386_: please turn off your caps lock |
| 14:48.08 | zyx386_ | D-link, ...etc |
| 14:48.18 | zyx386_ | ok stew sorry |
| 14:48.21 | Neeku | qoreqyas: i dicovered it... edit>preferences>viewr>fit ... |
| 14:48.58 | qoreqyas | Neeku: and without help! well done! iam very proud ;) |
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| 14:49.31 | stew | themill: yeah, looks like it uses ssh not rsh. thanks |
| 14:49.44 | kladizkov | next time when my questions aren't answered I will try Neeku's idea.. |
| 14:49.46 | themill | stew: save you specifying -e ssh a bit :) |
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| 14:50.13 | h0ax | how would i go about installing, gtk+-2.12.0, it's not in the resps, would i have to compile source ? |
| 14:50.14 | stew | themill: no, since i have ssh as my rsh alternative anyway |
| 14:50.14 | azeem | h0ax: why do you need it? |
| 14:50.14 | themill | stew: ah well :) |
| 14:50.15 | h0ax | Firfox 3 |
| 14:50.17 | h0ax | beta 5 |
| 14:50.18 | Neeku | :D |
| 14:50.29 | Crypticfortune | andrewy: afaik postfix doesn't have an automated way for generating certs in /etc/postfix/tls, but postfix depends on libssl so if it did i guess it would use openssl =/ |
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| 14:51.06 | h0ax | azeem, i need it for firefox 3 beta 5 |
| 14:51.21 | acxty_1 | where can I find randr1.2? |
| 14:51.28 | azeem | h0ax: *shrug* |
| 14:51.47 | h0ax | azeem, i saw it on Fedora9 and i'm quite impressed with it |
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| 14:52.27 | Neeku | qoreqyas: kladizkov: actually, my friend did it all... :D |
| 14:53.05 | qoreqyas | Neeku: how much do you pay him? |
| 14:53.13 | q-tip | mmm great over on ubuntu I got no help and acused of swearing!! grrrrr |
| 14:53.14 | Neeku | you should be proud of him and ask your questions from him... :) |
| 14:53.27 | Neeku | qoreqyas: nothing... i just thanked him :) |
| 14:53.44 | q-tip | And no help! |
| 14:53.46 | q-tip | ;( |
| 14:54.18 | abrotman | q-tip: not our problem, either install debian or ask elsewhere |
| 14:54.23 | q-tip | hahahaha |
| 14:54.43 | q-tip | abrotman thanks for the time ;) |
| 14:54.48 | qoreqyas | Neeku: what an idiot ;) |
| 14:54.55 | acxty_1 | I install randr with synaptic but it don't give me the --output option |
| 14:55.01 | Neeku | qoreqyas: oh, come on! |
| 14:55.12 | Neeku | qoreqyas: would you ask for money if you helped me? |
| 14:55.20 | qoreqyas | iam an idiot. |
| 14:55.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:55.39 | qoreqyas | Neeku: so.. no :) |
| 14:55.54 | andrewy | Crypticfortune: good point, thanks |
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| 14:56.49 | Bushmills | "crazy rasberry ants" in texas, invading computers, shortcutting and damaging them?? anyone from houston who can confirm that? |
| 14:57.16 | q-tip | devoice |
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| 14:57.38 | crazyfrog | what package should i install to setup a connection to Internet through pppoe? |
| 14:57.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 14:57.44 | Bushmills | hm. must be true - affected people seem to be offline |
| 14:57.55 | qoreqyas | crazyfrog: pppoeconf |
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| 15:00.05 | crazyfrog | Qoreqyas:i have installed it.but when i run "#pon" manually,it can not start |
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| 15:00.21 | vy | Hi! Which package brings libc function manuals? |
| 15:01.06 | vy | manpages-dev? |
| 15:01.16 | azeem | glibc-reference-doc or so |
| 15:01.36 | vy | azeem: No, not glibc-reference-doc. |
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| 15:01.46 | acxty_1 | does anyone know where can I fing xrandr1.2??? |
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| 15:14.54 | BubbaT | What ports do apt,apt-get ... use? |
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| 15:15.04 | azeem | BubbaT: ports? |
| 15:15.10 | zinx | BubbaT: that question makes no sense :/ |
| 15:15.11 | loxley_ | BubbaT: ftp, http ? |
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| 15:15.41 | netcrash | cron.daily is not being run , can it be caused by a problem in a crontab script , how can I test this ? |
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| 15:15.58 | loxley_ | netcrash: make a change then check syslog for reload |
| 15:16.03 | Ryan52 | netcrash: check syslog first |
| 15:16.07 | xerophyte | how can i disable the php module for only one virtual host |
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| 15:16.36 | themill | netcrash: make sure cron is actually running |
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| 15:16.43 | markybob | xerophyte, love and patience? try #php or #apache |
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| 15:17.08 | xerophyte | markybob: i am there ;) |
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| 15:18.13 | netcrash | cron is running |
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| 15:20.06 | davis | hello |
| 15:21.14 | davis | I have a box where I am using Eterms and generic xterms. When I open manpages in the xterm, it displays all text ok, but it is screwed up with non-printable characters in the Eterm. Any idea why? |
| 15:21.36 | zinx | maybe eterm doesn't support the character set you're using |
| 15:21.48 | zinx | i think Debian defaults to UTF-8 these days |
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| 15:22.06 | Dewi | it does, at least in en.AU |
| 15:22.08 | themill | davis: can you get eterm to use a better font |
| 15:22.17 | davis | themill, don't know. |
| 15:23.02 | Dewi | davis: when you say "non-printable chaaracters" |
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| 15:23.14 | Dewi | do you mean a simple placeholder for a glyph that does not exist in the font, |
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| 15:23.25 | davis | sounds possible |
| 15:23.26 | Dewi | or a string of UTF-8 escape codes rendered in Latin-1 ? |
| 15:23.36 | davis | it shows empty boxes |
| 15:23.44 | thinks | eventhough i followed the instructions on http://tinyurl.com/5v547k but my sound doesn't work properly |
| 15:23.44 | Dewi | okay, that'll be a font placeholder |
| 15:23.52 | davis | it shows a's with a hat on top of them. |
| 15:24.09 | Dewi | davis: oh that sounds more like one of the UTF-8 escape chars |
| 15:24.48 | Dewi | davis: are they longer than they should be? 3 chars instead of 1? |
| 15:25.10 | Dewi | (or similar) |
| 15:25.50 | davis | yes |
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| 15:26.19 | davis | it is a with hat, then two empty boxes, then text, then it does the a with hat and two empty boxes |
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| 15:26.32 | Dewi | davis: hmm, that would indicate UTF-8 being presented as Latin1 |
| 15:26.36 | Dewi | or similar |
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| 15:26.49 | Dewi | so it's unlikely to do with fonts |
| 15:27.02 | Dewi | (although your empty boxes suggest you're using a font that supports almost nothing outside US-ASCII) |
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| 15:27.27 | davis | is there a way to tell which font is being used by an Eterm? |
| 15:27.29 | Dewi | you want to get it processing UTF-8 as UTF-8 first anyway |
| 15:27.34 | Dewi | before you deal with fonts |
| 15:27.40 | davis | ok |
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| 15:28.23 | davis | if I try to do a make menuconfig on my kernel, its unreadable. |
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| 15:28.38 | davis | i was checking my kernel config to see if I had UTF-8 enabled. |
| 15:28.48 | Dewi | it should do |
| 15:28.52 | Dewi | check your 'locales' |
| 15:29.02 | Dewi | 'locale' even |
| 15:29.17 | Dewi | post-sarge UTF-8 locales became the default |
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| 15:30.01 | davis | ok, i looked in kernel config, I have NLS UTF-8 enabled in the filesytem. That would not help my screen. |
| 15:30.06 | Dewi | davis: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448184 |
| 15:30.23 | Dewi | davis: looks like the debian package is not built for unicode support |
| 15:30.34 | davis | my locale says LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 15:30.54 | davis | i'm pulling up the bugreport |
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| 15:31.39 | konryd | hello everyone, are there any specific reasons for svn.debian.org not to work (except for me being ignorant of sth) ? |
| 15:31.49 | davis | ok i see now. |
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| 15:32.19 | Dewi | davis: hmm, it looks like the newer of the 2 bug reports says how to build with unicode support |
| 15:32.46 | Dewi | davis: which would suggest that the older bug report, still filed as "wishlist" because utf-8 was just not implemented back then, should maybe be updated? |
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| 15:33.00 | Dewi | davis: for some reason the new bug doesn't have a severity or status |
| 15:33.11 | Dewi | davis: I don't really understand what the current situation is |
| 15:33.13 | davis | i'm building the source now. |
| 15:33.32 | davis | lets see what happens when I enable-multi-charset |
| 15:33.56 | Dewi | if you're happy building from source, cool |
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| 15:34.11 | Dewi | utf-8 should definitely be enabled in binaries these days tho |
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| 15:34.40 | Dewi | oh the new bug hasn't been classified yet |
| 15:34.41 | eodwastaken | hey guys, quick dumb question. what's the command to reconfigure X in a step by step process? I can't remember the command. |
| 15:34.47 | Dewi | !drxx eodwastaken |
| 15:34.47 | dpkg | eodwastaken: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 15:35.03 | davis | yes, many thanks dewi |
| 15:35.08 | davis | you enlightened me today. |
| 15:35.08 | eodwastaken | thanks Dewi |
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| 15:35.37 | Dewi | davis: np... lack of unicode annoys me |
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| 15:35.48 | Dewi | davis: which is kind of odd for a monoglot |
| 15:36.18 | davis | monoglot? |
| 15:36.23 | Dewi | speaker of only one language |
| 15:36.36 | Dewi | (english) |
| 15:36.48 | Dewi | in my case... obviously |
| 15:37.11 | Dewi | hey, looks like I'm drunk |
| 15:37.19 | Dewi | don't panic, it's nearly 2am saturday here |
| 15:37.36 | davis | hmm. |
| 15:37.39 | Dewi | I'd better go and write some bash scripts while they still make sense to my drug-addled brain |
| 15:37.46 | eodwastaken | :D |
| 15:37.46 | davis | i did a configure but it did not create a Makefile. |
| 15:37.50 | davis | and the configure worked. |
| 15:37.51 | davis | odd |
| 15:37.58 | Dewi | davis: that is odd. what does 'make' say? |
| 15:38.12 | davis | no Makfile |
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| 15:38.22 | Dewi | heh |
| 15:38.32 | davis | maybe make -f Makefile.am |
| 15:38.35 | Dewi | I have never understood make |
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| 15:38.59 | davis | noope |
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| 15:40.23 | adama | if you have Makefile.am I think you're supposed to do something with autoconf |
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| 15:43.27 | cast | evening all. |
| 15:43.36 | pinto3 | good morning |
| 15:43.53 | cast | Sat May 17 01:14:25 CST 2008 |
| 15:43.55 | cast | too right. |
| 15:44.12 | cast | waits for the "but IM in CST and its not saturday" |
| 15:44.20 | Dewi | nah |
| 15:44.29 | Dewi | but you're in a non-hourly timezone |
| 15:44.34 | Dewi | it *is* saturday morning |
| 15:45.10 | pinto3 | i can't find the command to output my date command to here :p |
| 15:45.12 | Dewi | cast: hmm.... canberra? |
| 15:45.25 | Dewi | cast: christmas island? |
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| 15:45.39 | cast | blinks |
| 15:45.53 | abrotman | cast: were you the one with the FSF mask before? |
| 15:45.56 | Dewi | cast: or just adelaide |
| 15:45.57 | balzac5000 | Rats. If, as a user, I do a "crontab -r" instead of a "crontab -e" I obviously REMOVE the crontab file instead of edit it. Where is that file usually stored so I can get it from a backup? |
| 15:46.10 | Dewi | cast: but I thought they were more than 30 minutes away |
| 15:46.19 | cast | abrotman: hey now that's fucked. |
| 15:46.30 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:46.40 | cast | wonder why i wasn't identified |
| 15:46.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:46.49 | xand | balzac5000: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 15:47.12 | cast | for a moment i was wondering who filed a complaint against me with the FSF ^_^ |
| 15:47.30 | pinto3 | Fri May 16 09:46:50 CDT 2008 |
| 15:47.32 | pinto3 | ha |
| 15:47.33 | themill | cast: Adelaide or NT? |
| 15:47.36 | balzac5000 | xand: Thanks for the response! Awesome. Should have mentioned this is an etch install, but I'll wager that hasn't changed from version to version |
| 15:47.37 | cast | NT |
| 15:47.50 | Dewi | cast: what's the C? central? |
| 15:48.05 | themill | cast: http://www.hostip.info/index.html?spip=124.171.103.244 |
| 15:48.10 | themill | cast: :( |
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| 15:48.29 | Dewi | themill: for some reason the geolocators get confused with this isp |
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| 15:48.49 | Dewi | themill: sometimes they are really accurate, other times way off. iinet seems to regularly swap its ranges around so I guess it's not that surprising |
| 15:48.52 | cast | the geohax fails :< |
| 15:49.11 | dbmoodb | btw the debian package files on the servers are protected by gpg keys yeah - so the recent openssl problem didn't pose a risk.... that could have been larger |
| 15:49.11 | themill | Dewi, cast: Yeah, iinet is always problematic for a lot of things. |
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| 15:49.14 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Standard_Time_%28Australia%29 |
| 15:49.15 | Dewi | I'm on basically the same range as cast |
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| 15:51.06 | cast | ew, i don't want to be on the same range as you! |
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| 15:52.20 | yopyop | hello, question about openssl problem, is key generate with a passphrase is vulnerable ? |
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| 15:52.27 | azeem | yopyop: yes |
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| 15:52.33 | azeem | if vulnerable otherwise |
| 15:52.42 | dbmoodb | iinet ntp servers are terrible |
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| 15:53.08 | cast | why would that be vulnerable? |
| 15:53.20 | rwaite | i hate vga |
| 15:53.23 | verblendet | debian needs a similar patch: http://www.brendangregg.com/Specials/pam_happy_hour.c *g |
| 15:53.31 | azeem | cast: because the attacker has the same secret key without a passphrase |
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| 15:53.51 | azeem | AIUI |
| 15:54.08 | cast | ahh. i was thinking of openssl enc, ambigious question. but i think he ment how you read it ^_^ |
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| 15:54.43 | dbmoodb | wtf happy hour ? |
| 15:54.45 | themill | cast: the passphrase only keeps the private key safe from prying eyes, it's not used to improve the strength of the key generation. |
| 15:55.00 | themill | dbmoodb: it's almost happy hour here :) |
| 15:55.02 | cast | openssl enc -aes -pass hisword -in in.txt -out in.aes kind of thing |
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| 15:55.19 | themill | cast: yeah, I see where you're coming from |
| 15:55.52 | Dewi | yopyop: you're basically protecting a very poor secret, only 15 bits of entropy |
| 15:55.57 | cast | so has anyone managed to actually exploit this issue? |
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| 15:56.08 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 15:56.10 | azeem | cast: it's trivial to exploit |
| 15:56.10 | aixenv | cast: yes |
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| 15:56.19 | themill | cast: /msg dpkg dsa1571 there are trivial perl scripts out there to do it |
| 15:56.22 | azeem | cast: at least for weakly generated keys |
| 15:56.23 | dbmoodb | there is a sploit out |
| 15:56.29 | aixenv | feel for us having to update like 600-700 servers |
| 15:56.33 | cast | :< |
| 15:56.38 | azeem | it's more difficult for good keys and weak libssls being used |
| 15:56.50 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 15:56.56 | azeem | cast: all it takes is trying several thousand SSH keys on a server |
| 15:56.59 | Dewi | I feel too newb to be sure I've updated all my stuff |
| 15:57.01 | aixenv | least i got to create new known_hosts lol |
| 15:57.05 | azeem | unless that server has fail2ban or something |
| 15:57.07 | fxn | i've /msg'ed dpkg dsa1571, but couldn't find answer to my question: the regenerated keys of an up-to-date openssh-server are automatically blacklisted |
| 15:57.12 | dbmoodb | the problem is some one did really screw up and any attacker could have been watching that package and attack the central debian ones |
| 15:57.19 | dbmoodb | --- this is what i am worried about personally |
| 15:57.20 | aixenv | dewi: it's easy to fix |
| 15:57.20 | yopyop | iptables limit on ssh should drop most of tries |
| 15:57.21 | Coke | I'm on Debian testing amd64, the cg toolkit packages have beeen removed (!) and even though I installed nvidia's cg for x86 and x86_64, I get "cg not available" from games like etqw. How should I install the cg toolkit on amd64? |
| 15:57.24 | azeem | fxn: did you update libssl0.9.8 and openssl as well? |
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| 15:57.38 | Dewi | aixenv: easy to fix? |
| 15:57.39 | azeem | dbmoodb: what? |
| 15:57.49 | fxn | azeem: I aptitude'd update && upgrade && dist-upgrade |
| 15:57.55 | azeem | dbmoodb: Debian uses gpg for all its package trust paths, and gpg is not affected |
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| 15:58.00 | dbmoodb | yes i know that |
| 15:58.03 | Dewi | aixenv: I'm not completely down with how all the crypto works |
| 15:58.11 | dbmoodb | but how do they connect to them |
| 15:58.13 | themill | fxn: what's the output of dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 |
| 15:58.14 | dbmoodb | ssh -- no ? |
| 15:58.29 | azeem | to waht? |
| 15:58.34 | themill | dbmoodb: the gpg signatures still have to match |
| 15:58.35 | azeem | eh, what is "them"? |
| 15:58.39 | dbmoodb | potentially anyone who was watching and knew this stuff could have logged data and gone backwards |
| 15:58.41 | aixenv | dewi: sure, update debian/pkgs, delete known_hosts, regenerate ssh keys, if you have users you can test with the ssh-vulnkey but obviously redo all their keys, we redid all ssl certs too since that was buggy/faulty also |
| 15:58.45 | dbmoodb | them possible attacker |
| 15:59.10 | Dewi | aixenv: I haven't done SSL certs yet |
| 15:59.12 | dbmoodb | then they could hijack / mim people |
| 15:59.19 | dbmoodb | grabbing gpg keys etc. |
| 15:59.20 | Dewi | aixenv: but mine are experimental / for home use so it doesn't matter |
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| 15:59.28 | aixenv | dewi: u should..it always matters |
| 15:59.32 | aixenv | security is security |
| 15:59.34 | fxn | themill: http://pastie.caboo.se/198264 |
| 15:59.39 | dbmoodb | has debian said that we are not comprimised yet ? |
| 15:59.55 | Dewi | aixenv: all the stuff I am protecting with HTTPS is also protected by password auth |
| 15:59.56 | dbmoodb | seeing we/they / debian doesn't hide / can't hide things |
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| 16:00.02 | Dewi | aixenv: I'll get around to it soon |
| 16:00.06 | themill | fxn: that's not the version that is fixed |
| 16:00.14 | Dewi | aixenv: it's just that it's tough to even remember HOW to do it |
| 16:00.22 | Dewi | aixenv: stupid flawed CA.pl scripts and all that... |
| 16:00.30 | aixenv | dewi: like i said jus be glad u arent having to do 600-700 servers that'll make your plight better :P, |
| 16:00.43 | aixenv | i about cried on monday |
| 16:00.44 | aixenv | lol |
| 16:00.45 | fxn | themill: why wouldn't aptitude pick the new versions? |
| 16:01.02 | azeem | fxn: which version of Debian? |
| 16:01.04 | Dewi | you might need to use dist-upgrade to get all the stuff |
| 16:01.06 | Dewi | like the blacklists |
| 16:01.08 | themill | fxn: what's the output of apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 |
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| 16:02.02 | Dewi | aixenv: they must be pretty confident that they can detect bad keys... the package only regened my host key on one machine |
| 16:02.12 | fxn | themill: http://pastie.caboo.se/198267 |
| 16:02.17 | Dewi | aixenv: the others date back to sarge you see... |
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| 16:02.44 | themill | fxn: you seem to have a strange mixture of etch and lenny there. What have you been doing? |
| 16:02.44 | aixenv | dewi: it appears it's the recent stuff as opposed to the old stuff |
| 16:02.46 | azeem | fxn: you've got a non-etch version of libssl from somewhre |
| 16:03.07 | fxn | themill: I have not admin this machine, let me ask |
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| 16:05.22 | fxn | themill: azeem ok thank you very much, we were lost here because we've updated smoothly a few machines |
| 16:06.04 | themill | fxn: you need to look over your machine and see what packages are coming from what repos. Either try downgrading (if you are lucky!) that machine to etch, or complete its upgrade to lenny. |
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| 16:06.42 | themill | fxn: for something that might help with that, /msg dpkg list repositories |
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| 16:10.44 | konryd | is svn.debian.org not working? Or is it just me not knowing how to use it (ordinary check-out doesn't seem to work) |
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| 16:13.04 | Dewi | how can I find out more information about a device number? |
| 16:13.09 | Dewi | such as its /dev path name |
| 16:13.12 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.16 | fxn | themill: looks like some coworker installed a .deb by hand, could I remove/install libssl? |
| 16:13.24 | Dewi | konryd: "doesn't work" / |
| 16:13.25 | Dewi | ? |
| 16:13.29 | abrotman | Dewi: that'd depend on the driver |
| 16:13.42 | themill | fxn: if it's jut the one, then yes that should be ok |
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| 16:13.54 | fxn | themill: good |
| 16:13.55 | konryd | I can't perform a checkout |
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| 16:14.10 | Dewi | abrotman: I want to find out 1) the human-readable name of the device the current directory resides on, 2) whether that's an LVM virtual device |
| 16:14.16 | Dewi | abrotman: any idea where to start? |
| 16:14.20 | themill | fxn: actually, aptitude install libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch3 (and a similar option for openssl) should do it for you |
| 16:14.24 | abrotman | Dewi: the pub |
| 16:14.35 | konryd | the message I get: "svn: Can't open file '/srv/svn.debian.org/svn/egtk/conf/passwd': Permission denied" |
| 16:14.43 | Dewi | abrotman: it's lockout hour :( |
| 16:14.51 | eshaase | are setuid() calls usually accompanied by setgid() calls? |
| 16:15.06 | Dewi | abrotman: pubs are leave-only in brisbane after 2am |
| 16:15.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:15.36 | Dewi | oh wait, no, that's at 3! there's still time |
| 16:15.37 | Dewi | runs |
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| 16:17.15 | konryd | anyone knows what's the problem with svn.debian.org ? (It's the last time a ask, I promise :>) |
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| 16:18.00 | helo | anyone have any roundabout statistics on what percentage of generated ssl keys were bad? |
| 16:18.01 | abrotman | konryd: can you browse it via http? |
| 16:18.13 | abrotman | helo: all? |
| 16:18.38 | cast | 100% is a statistic! |
| 16:18.42 | Dewi | helo: they were all 15 bits of entropy |
| 16:18.45 | abrotman | i really don't understand why people want to dwell on this |
| 16:18.47 | konryd | abrotman: I can, but I need the repo |
| 16:18.57 | Dewi | abrotman: it's a masochism thing |
| 16:18.58 | helo | abrotman: i was thinking only some must have been bad, because of the existence of the scripts to determine whether keys were or not bad |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | konryd: fix your client? |
| 16:19.01 | konryd | writing a script for that looks like too much a hussle |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | helo: all? |
| 16:19.19 | Dewi | helo: they only started being bad after the bad commit in 2006 |
| 16:19.38 | konryd | abrotman: why do you think it's the problem with a client? |
| 16:19.43 | Dewi | helo: and I don't remember exactly when and where I generated my keys |
| 16:19.46 | abrotman | konryd: errors? |
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| 16:19.52 | Dewi | helo: can't even find my keys most days |
| 16:20.06 | helo | why did those scripts exist if they are all bad? if you don't exactly remember when you generated them, shouldn't you regenerate them to be safe? |
| 16:20.15 | Dewi | helo: yes |
| 16:20.23 | Dewi | helo: the detection scripts are for lazy peolpe |
| 16:20.33 | Dewi | smiles. |
| 16:20.35 | helo | some people relying on those scripts for sense of security is just going to lead to more insecure boxen... |
| 16:20.36 | konryd | abrotman: I feel pretty confident it's the server's fault |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | blames canada |
| 16:20.49 | helo | more debian compromises, etc... |
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| 16:21.08 | abrotman | helo: that's their problem .. worry about your own shit |
| 16:21.54 | wd | what's the diff frm dmesg and messages? |
| 16:22.45 | Dewi | helo: who said the scripts are flawed? |
| 16:22.58 | aixenv | dmesg - prints the message buffer of the kernel, containing various important messages during boot |
| 16:23.19 | helo | Dewi: i recall reading "some false positives, some false negatives" somewhere |
| 16:23.23 | Dewi | helo: the debian package is confident enough in them that it chose not to regen my sarge host keys |
| 16:23.39 | helo | maybe that was an early testing script |
| 16:23.41 | Dewi | helo: although I guess that could just have easily involved trusting a datestamp... |
| 16:23.51 | abrotman | if you want to continue about the ssl/ssh .. use #debian-offtopic please |
| 16:24.07 | Dewi | abrotman: blink |
| 16:24.08 | aixenv | abrotman : why? |
| 16:24.10 | helo | wow... |
| 16:24.18 | aixenv | abrotman: you're kidding right? |
| 16:24.22 | abrotman | no |
| 16:24.23 | aixenv | that's about as on topic as you can get |
| 16:24.42 | abrotman | it's been beat to death for the last few days .. |
| 16:24.51 | aixenv | a hugely insecure bug caused by the debian project ( a person within ) isnt valid irc discussion? |
| 16:24.52 | helo | shoulnd't you expect that? |
| 16:24.55 | Dewi | abrotman: actually I've seen about 1/5 as much discussion of it as I expected |
| 16:24.56 | aixenv | abrotman: as it should |
| 16:25.06 | abrotman | aixenv: asking how to fix it is on topic ... the how/why is not |
| 16:25.14 | Dewi | abrotman: I've seen more discussion in every *other* channel, most of it about how much debian sucks... |
| 16:25.24 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 16:25.29 | helo | it is a repercussion of the shitty situation... not allowing people to discuss it will only hurt things |
| 16:25.32 | aixenv | abrotman: the why is easy...that should only need to be asked once per person, but this is irc you gotta expect multiple ppl to ask the same stuff |
| 16:25.39 | konryd | Oh! some progress in the SVN case. Other project checkout fine, it's egtk, that is broken :/ |
| 16:25.52 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic .. please .. you can all drone on for hours there if you choose |
| 16:25.57 | aixenv | i mean hello this is irc...lol how many times have you heard "what does df do?" |
| 16:26.25 | aixenv | abrotman: but it isn't off-topic.. off-topic would be...whose hotter jessica biel or drunky lohan |
| 16:26.41 | helo | "Debian Developers Ban Discussion of Debian-specific Security Flaw" |
| 16:26.49 | Dewi | aixenv: he probably has a point about only the "how to fix" being ontopic |
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| 16:26.53 | aixenv | what about that novice admin who doesnt read bugtraq/etc and has no clue |
| 16:26.58 | cast | "Debian Developer found with pornography on hard drive" |
| 16:26.59 | abrotman | this channel is for support .. not bitching about the flaw .. or asking how it happened .. or so on and so forth |
| 16:27.01 | Dewi | aixenv: they should read the topic |
| 16:27.16 | kombucha | i think upgrading my deb packages because of the flaw broke my install of openvpn but i can't prove it |
| 16:27.24 | jburd | cast: Err? |
| 16:27.30 | Dewi | abrotman: I thought we were just discussing the proper application of the bad key detector |
| 16:27.46 | abrotman | not really |
| 16:27.49 | Dewi | abrotman: not talking about using uninit'd memory for seeding etc |
| 16:28.13 | Dewi | shrugs. </meta> |
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| 16:28.53 | wd | aixenv: thanks i'm looking in messages and dmesg and the bootup messages are slightly diff. i want to see the exact messages printed during bootup. |
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| 16:29.05 | aixenv | but i mean really if someone new comes in the room/channel the "how did this happen or why" is valid.. |
| 16:29.16 | wd | aixenv: be careful i don't want to see you get booted. :( |
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| 16:29.25 | aixenv | lol |
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| 16:29.30 | abrotman | aixenv: they'd read the DSA |
| 16:29.42 | aixenv | abrotman: one would hope so yes |
| 16:29.52 | Dewi | aixenv: I'm sure the bot as factoids for that, or google can easily find the mailing lists / wiki page etc |
| 16:29.52 | abrotman | problem solved |
| 16:29.53 | apathetic | In the loginscreen for debian if you dont run X, if you use scandinavian characters and then backspace them, you backspace away the "username" and "password" promps |
| 16:30.01 | wd | DSA? |
| 16:30.05 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 16:30.05 | dpkg | dsa is probably Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 16:30.11 | aixenv | debian security announcements |
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| 16:30.30 | Dewi | oh man, and I thought all these years they were *advisories* not announcements |
| 16:30.37 | wd | ty |
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| 16:31.37 | Dewi | apathetic: the linux console isn't particularly great for internationalisation |
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| 16:33.26 | Dewi | apathetic: a few west european characters outside US-ASCII is all the font can even display anyway |
| 16:33.52 | aixenv | wd: what msg in particular are you looking for |
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| 16:34.52 | aixenv | wd: normally any hardware related msg's i look to dmesg|more or grep a $string |
| 16:35.07 | aixenv | like how many harddrives i have.. i always forget that |
| 16:35.19 | omry | hi all, got a new gigabyte motherboard and my stock kernel can't find the sata hard drives. I think it's having problems with the sata controller. any idea how to get it to work? |
| 16:35.23 | davis | Dewi: hey man |
| 16:35.40 | Dewi | davis: hello. get it built? |
| 16:35.43 | davis | Dewi: i finally built my own version of Eterm and used multi_charset |
| 16:35.47 | davis | and it has the same problem. |
| 16:35.51 | Dewi | davis: argh |
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| 16:36.07 | Dewi | davis: still multi-char escape stuff with "A" and so on? |
| 16:36.13 | aixenv | well be back in a few i gotta go hop on my other computer to access another vpn |
| 16:36.19 | Dewi | (except not "A", that A-like thing) |
| 16:36.26 | davis | then I did a Eterm --version and both the original version and my new one have a +MULTI_CHARSET setting |
| 16:36.42 | davis | yes |
| 16:36.50 | Dewi | davis: does output of 'locale' mention utf-8 a lot? |
| 16:36.56 | davis | it has a^blankblank |
| 16:37.05 | davis | yes |
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| 16:37.06 | Dewi | (like on every line except LANGUAGE) |
| 16:37.06 | wd | aixenv: ok well my eth0 is connecting but i see that i tries to early in the boot process but it's not configd i guess in the early stages but when i login pops up "network connected" is displayed. |
| 16:37.16 | davis | it is on every line |
| 16:37.24 | wd | aixenv: * it tries* |
| 16:37.25 | davis | except LC_ALL= is blank |
| 16:37.30 | Dewi | mine too |
| 16:37.35 | hoxu | what's "migration/0" in top? |
| 16:37.36 | Dewi | davis: I'm out of ideas :( |
| 16:37.48 | Dewi | davis: that package looks a bit unmaintained |
| 16:37.49 | davis | apt-get install locales is newest |
| 16:38.04 | davis | is there a way to see which font a terminal is using? |
| 16:38.06 | wd | aixenv: i hope that was legible :) |
| 16:38.06 | Dewi | davis: although the other packages by that maintainer looked more alive |
| 16:38.08 | wd | lol |
| 16:38.23 | Dewi | davis: so it's not like he's just disappeared or anything (I think) |
| 16:38.27 | aixenv | wd: make sure /etc/network/interfaces is configured; are you trying to determine when exactly your eth0 is initalized? |
| 16:38.39 | wd | aixenv: yes :) |
| 16:38.50 | hoxu | one debian stable+bpo.org box I maintain has pretty high system average and typing seems quite slow in X... however, top doesn't show much special apart from some nice -5 root processes, any clues? |
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| 16:38.57 | aixenv | dmesg |grep eth0 |
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| 16:39.08 | Dewi | hoxu: high load average? |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | hoxu: io wait? |
| 16:39.24 | wd | aixenv: it's all configd everything is ok but i see during bootup that it's trying to be recogn... oh ok |
| 16:39.24 | Dewi | hoxu: what's your %id in general? |
| 16:39.48 | hoxu | abrotman, good idea, I'll see if there's anything wrong with the disk |
| 16:39.54 | Dewi | hoxu: basically look for a few mins, lower top to 's60' or something if you want, and see which of the % on that line are dominant |
| 16:39.58 | hoxu | but am I supposed to have some root processes with PR=RT and NI=-5 ? |
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| 16:40.13 | aixenv | wd: brb |
| 16:40.47 | wd | k |
| 16:40.56 | Dewi | hoxu: once you know which type of load you're seeing you can start to look for it in individual processes |
| 16:41.18 | davis | is there a way to list the fonts installed? I rememember there was a command to do this. |
| 16:41.24 | Dewi | hoxu: and yes, I have a bunch of -5 processes, it's normal |
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| 16:41.34 | Dewi | I only see one RT tho |
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| 16:42.04 | wd | is there a nopaste app? can't find it. |
| 16:42.12 | hoxu | Dewi, hmm |
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| 16:43.16 | hoxu | Dewi, 20+ here... |
| 16:43.26 | Eulex | !tell wd about pastebin pipe |
| 16:43.36 | wd | Eulex: ty |
| 16:43.58 | Dewi | hmm |
| 16:44.11 | Dewi | I once put a pastebin pipe factoid in there that used curl I think |
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| 16:48.12 | eodwastaken | when I type "iwconfig" all of my interfaces report "no wireless extensions" |
| 16:48.25 | eodwastaken | any help on configuration? |
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| 16:50.37 | nyk2005 | Can I just dist-upgrade without problems from etch to lenny? |
| 16:50.49 | stew | nyk2005: maybe |
| 16:51.15 | hoxu | nyk2005, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 16:51.22 | stew | eodwastaken: this usually means you haven't loaded a driver for your wireless card yet. do you know what card they have |
| 16:51.39 | Zeaq | hey guys. i've a question about the upgrade from sarge to etch / devfs to udev. can i delete the files into /dev now? |
| 16:51.53 | xingu | aaah, beer o'clock, time for a pint of best bitter |
| 16:51.58 | grendal_prime | hey stew whats the deal with this. http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ |
| 16:52.00 | eodwastaken | stew, I'm pretty sure it's an Intel 2200bg |
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| 16:52.08 | nyk2005 | stew: why maybe? I am mainly doing it because I upgrade from postgresql 7.4 to 8.1 or 8.2. and only 8.1 is in stable. So I think it's better to go for 8.2 and in this case unstable. or isn't it? 8.2 is much faster, i heard |
| 16:52.16 | wd | reading NewbieDOC re: sending / getting mail it suggests postfix and getmail.. i see i have exim4 what do u recomd guys.. it says postfix and getmail is easiest but i figured if debian put exim on it must be good. |
| 16:52.32 | grendal_prime | i did knowtice that my last round of updates..yesterday? day before mentioned soemthign about a broken key generator. |
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| 16:52.52 | rwaite | lol @ that link |
| 16:52.52 | stew | eodwastaken: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 16:53.06 | simonrvn | "notice" |
| 16:53.46 | rwaite | wonders how unstable sid would be |
| 16:53.47 | stew | nyk2005: 'maybe', because things are often broken in testing. we really don't have a way to predict if you'll have problems |
| 16:53.50 | eodwastaken | stew, would this be related to the acx1000? |
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| 16:54.17 | nyk2005 | stew: ok... |
| 16:54.26 | stew | nyk2005: what is this server used for? |
| 16:54.50 | stew | nyk2005: or why are you upgrading? if its just to get 8.2, you can get it as a backport |
| 16:55.13 | stew | grendal_prime: can you ask a more specific question than "what's up with this"? |
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| 16:55.26 | stew | eodwastaken: no, acx10000 is a totally different chipset |
| 16:55.30 | matteo1990 | hi all, i have a dependencies error from the moment that i completed removed Wine, when i try to reinstall it i got an error message that says i need dpkg (that i have) and lbldap (that i have) any tips? Thx a lot |
| 16:55.40 | grendal_prime | sorry stew |
| 16:55.41 | stew | eodwastaken: you should be able to verify if you have an intel wireless by using "lspci" |
| 16:55.47 | Zeaq | hey guys. i've a question about the upgrade from sarge to etch / devfs to udev. can i delete the files into /dev now? |
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| 16:56.01 | grendal_prime | so i just need to wory about ssh keys? |
| 16:56.13 | hoxu | grendal_prime, read the topic |
| 16:56.16 | abrotman | Zeaq: no |
| 16:56.21 | stew | grendal_prime: no, any keys generated by the bad openssl, or any DSA keys which were used by the bad openssl to sign things |
| 16:56.26 | hoxu | matteo1990, show us the actual error |
| 16:56.34 | stew | Zeaq: are you following the upgrade procedure in the release notes? |
| 16:56.54 | grendal_prime | or should i look into rebuilding all the opvpn keys we have in the field |
| 16:56.55 | eodwastaken | stew, ah it's a 2915ABG network controller |
| 16:56.56 | Zeaq | stew: yes, of course. and yes, theres nothing about deleting the files... |
| 16:56.57 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 16:57.11 | grendal_prime | only dsa...not rsa>? |
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| 16:57.22 | matteo1990 | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 16:57.22 | matteo1990 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.22 | matteo1990 | 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 16:57.22 | matteo1990 | Need to get 8309kB of archives. After unpacking 55.8MB will be used. |
| 16:57.22 | matteo1990 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 16:57.25 | nyk2005 | stew: for storing data from biological computations |
| 16:57.27 | stew | grendal_prime: yes |
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| 16:57.37 | matteo1990 | wine [0.9.46-0ubuntu1 (gutsy)] |
| 16:57.38 | hoxu | !tell matteo1990 about paste |
| 16:57.39 | Zeaq | abrotman, stew: but i don't exact understand why. udev mounts /dev... also it have to be empty in my opinion... |
| 16:57.39 | matteo1990 | Score is -9920 |
| 16:57.41 | matteo1990 | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] |
| 16:57.49 | matteo1990 | how to paste i get kicked out for flood XD |
| 16:57.49 | stew | matteo1990: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 16:58.03 | nyk2005 | stew: I am already half in testing... :) |
| 16:58.10 | matteo1990 | !tell |
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| 16:58.32 | abrotman | Zeaq: have you booted the new kernel yet? |
| 16:58.39 | eodwastaken | stew, I'll try following this (http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200). thanks. |
| 16:58.46 | matteo1990 | dunno how to paste, i am noob :P |
| 16:58.53 | abrotman | matteo1990: go to #ubuntu |
| 16:59.04 | xingu | the thing that's most disturbing about the ssl vuln, and that nobody's even touched on yet, is that _offline packet captures_ of vpn traffic can now be bruteforced _and there's nothing you can do about it_ |
| 16:59.07 | stew | Zeaq: the /dev/ that exists before mounting udev ends up at /dev/.static/dev |
| 16:59.09 | xingu | but hey |
| 16:59.41 | Zeaq | abrotman: yes, everything works. with the files into /dev and without the files into /dev |
| 16:59.41 | stew | Zeaq: you should not have to touch /dev |
| 16:59.43 | abrotman | Zeaq: then it's normal ... those are created on the fly by udev .. don't remove them |
| 17:00.25 | Zeaq | stew, abrotman: ok. thank you for explaining. as a result i have to backup /dev in future, too !? |
| 17:00.41 | abrotman | no |
| 17:00.41 | stew | Zeaq: no, it can easily be regenerated |
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| 17:01.02 | Zeaq | stew: can you give me a hint, where i can found informations about this? |
| 17:01.30 | stew | Zeaq: "man MAKEDEV"? |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | udev docs? |
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| 17:01.42 | Zeaq | stew: ok, thanks ;-) |
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| 17:01.45 | stew | Zeaq: or what exactly do you need a hint about? |
| 17:02.00 | Zeaq | stew: the command is enough ;-) |
| 17:02.09 | bluesceada | hmm anyone knows by chance if there is a debian package for enemy territory available |
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| 17:02.36 | Zeaq | stew, abrotman: thanks! |
| 17:03.44 | wd | is exim-4 vital because newbie doc recommds postfix and getmail and it says it will take off exim-4? |
| 17:04.29 | Bushmills | postfix offers same functionality |
| 17:04.31 | cloakable | no |
| 17:04.45 | alaya__ | wd: no. its only the default MTA |
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| 17:05.55 | wd | ok guys ty. i saw i have address and other mail logs already on system.. wow debian really set you up doesn't it. :) |
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| 17:08.04 | wd | as a newbie "to debian" (use gentoo).... would exim be better because i see my system is setup with it by default, from a newbie aspect? |
| 17:08.22 | valdyn | wd: stick to the default is fine |
| 17:08.30 | wd | valdyn: wow. ok. |
| 17:08.36 | alaya__ | wd: i prefer postfix personally |
| 17:08.47 | wd | alaya__: oh you guys.. :) |
| 17:09.00 | hoxu | alaya__, which gives wd what functionality he is missing? |
| 17:09.10 | wd | alaya__: i was reading the postfix newbie doc and it doesn't look all that complicated. |
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| 17:09.21 | Zeaq | i've yet another question about upgrades. is there a parameter to give "aptitude upgrade" a list of packages, that it should not be installed? |
| 17:09.26 | wd | alaya__: uh oh. |
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| 17:09.41 | abrotman | Zeaq: why? |
| 17:09.43 | valdyn | wd: but the point is that at your stage you dont do more with it than configure it via the debconf dialogue, and that is the same for both i think |
| 17:09.43 | patric_ | the sky is falling |
| 17:09.49 | wd | alaya__: i'll be missing functionality? |
| 17:09.53 | valdyn | wd: so use either, you wont see a difference |
| 17:10.11 | hoxu | wd, my point was, if you aren't missing anything, why switch :) |
| 17:10.28 | Zeaq | abrotman: i've installed plesk on my server. and plesk uses qmail (psa-qmail). aptitude upgrade is going to install exim, too.... |
| 17:10.29 | wd | hoxu: oh ok. |
| 17:10.39 | alaya__ | wd: i doubt it. this is just for system mail? |
| 17:10.52 | abrotman | Zeaq: /sg dpkg equivs |
| 17:10.57 | abrotman | erm /msg |
| 17:11.32 | davis | where does LANG env variable get set? |
| 17:11.35 | Zeaq | abrotman: "dpkg equivs" ? |
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| 17:11.50 | abrotman | !tell Zeaq about equivs |
| 17:12.18 | valdyn | davis: setting LC_ALL sets it automagically, you're probably looking for that one |
| 17:12.28 | wd | alaya__: well yea i want to access my isp mail. pop3....from cli, trying to save resources and not use X, sylpheed and all...newbie doc says postfix and getmail is a mta and will be faster. |
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| 17:13.25 | wd | alaya__: but exim is already on not sure if it was diff to setup, man pages look intimidating.. :) lots of functionality i maynot need. |
| 17:13.34 | Zeaq | abrotman: thanks for the informations. but is there no way to really not install this packages? |
| 17:13.55 | abrotman | that is how |
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| 17:15.14 | alaya__ | wd: for pop3 retrieval you would use an MUA like kmail, or fetchmail |
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| 17:15.35 | hoxu | fetchmail is shit, use getmail |
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| 17:15.59 | wd | hoxu: yea newbiedoc said use getmail and postfix |
| 17:16.04 | alaya__ | wd: for sending, if you want to use your MTA for it instead of an MUA, you would need to set up SMTP client auth, which is probably a little easier with exim |
| 17:16.05 | Bushmills | or better, forward your mail |
| 17:16.42 | alaya__ | wd: mainly because exim has better docs for doing it |
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| 17:18.03 | alaya__ | wd: i prefer to use nbsmtp for sending. so my MTA really only handles system mail |
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| 17:19.50 | alaya__ | wd: another good choice would be ssmtp |
| 17:19.55 | wd | alaya__: ok so mta is exim which handles mail / system messages as well... handling mail being sending? |
| 17:19.57 | CrocoJet | am I using correct kernel for dualcore ? "3 2.6.24-1-686" |
| 17:20.18 | jaj | Hi! I was just wondering, my apt-get mirror doesn't seem to carry the latest openssl fix. When I do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade it says everything is up to date but I have openssl 0.9.8c-4etch1 |
| 17:20.45 | wd | alaya__: ssmtp. ok. |
| 17:20.50 | jaj | I have 'deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian stable main contrib' in my sources.list |
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| 17:21.46 | pingouin | someone can be kind enough to tell /msg dpkg dsa1571 to make dpkg tell me about this, how to solve this 'trouble' dpkg dont anwer me |
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| 17:22.20 | markybob | !dsa1571 |
| 17:22.20 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
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| 17:22.48 | pingouin | thank you very much markybob |
| 17:23.40 | CrocoJet | to use "apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common", do I need add some special repository in my source-list ? |
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| 17:24.15 | abrotman | non-free and contrib |
| 17:24.22 | cosmodad | can anyone explain to me what the statement on the Debian Wiki regarding the SSL leak means that "any DSA key must be considered compromised if it has been used on a machine with a 'bad' OpenSSL"? Are there any details on this? |
| 17:24.27 | CrocoJet | and where I can find this ? |
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| 17:25.27 | CrocoJet | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.55 | markybob | CrocoJet, just add "non-free contrib" to the end of your line in /etc/apt/sources.list (after main) |
| 17:26.07 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 17:26.11 | CrocoJet | thanks ! |
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| 17:28.19 | CrocoJet | in security.debian.org also ? |
| 17:28.22 | alaya__ | cosmodad: maybe it means that if a machine was weak, don't trust even the non-weak keys on it? |
| 17:28.26 | markybob | CrocoJet, yes |
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| 17:29.07 | alaya__ | cosmodad: i.e. don't trust the private portion of pre-shared keys on that box because you can't assume it wasn't compromised |
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| 17:29.46 | cosmodad | hmm... |
| 17:29.47 | cosmodad | possibly. |
| 17:29.51 | cosmodad | but I'm not really sure. |
| 17:30.09 | alaya__ | me neither but i would rather be safe and just regenerate everything |
| 17:30.12 | netcrash | 2 scripts on my cron that are run for backups were written by me in bash script but they aren't run by cron , and have o error |
| 17:30.15 | cosmodad | basically, my keys are all pre-2006, and I wonder if I need to rebuild keys due to this. |
| 17:30.16 | netcrash | any tips ? |
| 17:30.45 | CrocoJet | but I am impressed with debian testing .. very stable if compared with fedora and Ubuntu |
| 17:30.46 | alaya__ | cosmodad: the ssh-vulnkey command will help |
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| 17:31.28 | cosmodad | alaya__: afaik, it can't detect every weak key, especially not those beyond 2048 bits. |
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| 17:32.14 | et_alia | cosmodad: Any key used to sign a certificate or used for publickey ssh auth. |
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| 17:32.45 | et_alia | cosmodad: If they are all pre-2006, you are affected. Regenerate your keys. |
| 17:33.50 | cahoot | isn't it the reverse? |
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| 17:34.09 | dropbear | netcrash: dit you set the executable bit? maybe forgot the sh-bang? |
| 17:34.26 | hoxu | !topicbadger et_alia |
| 17:34.26 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that et_alia didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 17:34.27 | dropbear | netcrash: s/dit/did/ |
| 17:34.50 | et_alia | cahoot: It's a subtle nudge to force people to yknow, read. |
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| 17:35.46 | netcrash | dropbear: sh-bang ?executable bit , the permissions are for 755 |
| 17:37.51 | Twigathy | !dsa1571 jokes |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | For some light relief between changing your keys, see http://xkcd.com/221/ http://picpaste.com/glasbergen_-_new_encryption_code.gif, or http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg, or http://xkcd.com/424/ |
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| 17:38.51 | dropbear | netcrash: sh-bang: #!/bin/<yourshell> eg: #!/bin/bash, 755 is ok |
| 17:39.00 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrr |
| 17:39.06 | grendal_prime | trying to order new laptop |
| 17:39.29 | grendal_prime | i want a dell linux certified machine..the best one i can find 5 * rating is an inspiron |
| 17:39.42 | grendal_prime | (we have to order dell) |
| 17:39.59 | grendal_prime | I need something with a serial port though |
| 17:40.24 | simNIX | why ask in #debian ? |
| 17:40.27 | grendal_prime | but i cant find a latitude that supports ubuntu.../debian linux |
| 17:40.38 | simNIX | oh Linux su[pport ... |
| 17:40.43 | grendal_prime | anyone using one. |
| 17:40.49 | grendal_prime | that they would recommend |
| 17:40.57 | Eulex_ | grendal_prime, check out the m1330, it's great. it doesn't have a serial port, though... |
| 17:41.00 | wd | tying to install postfix and aptitude is trying to uninstall apps...The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
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| 17:41.04 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.23 | Eulex_ | wd, mark them as manually installed |
| 17:41.27 | wd | i need these apps and used them lastnight. |
| 17:41.35 | wd | Eulex_: ok |
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| 17:41.56 | Eulex_ | it does that becaus ethe apps were automatically installed as dependencies, and now what brought them in is gone. |
| 17:41.58 | netcrash | dropbear: sh-bang is ok |
| 17:42.02 | Coke | I'm having problems with the nvidia-kernel* packages, they are not in the testing repository and the tutorial I'm reading is discouraging the use of the nvidia installer. How do I get the 32-bit compat glx in Debian Testing AMD64? |
| 17:42.26 | hoxu | wd, I suggest you learn to use aptitude GUI, it's much easier to see what's going to happen (and modify it) |
| 17:42.28 | simonrvn | get it from sid, and build it |
| 17:42.30 | wd | Eulex_: hehe how? open aptitude and do it or is there a command line? |
| 17:42.30 | markybob | Coke, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:42.31 | simonrvn | Coke: |
| 17:42.33 | Eulex_ | wd, m to mark them as manually installed |
| 17:42.35 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 17:42.35 | wd | hoxu: ok |
| 17:42.50 | Eulex_ | wd, dunno about command line way of doing it |
| 17:43.09 | wd | hoxu: been using apt-get but this newbiedoc says to use aptitude for nstall |
| 17:43.16 | wd | Eulex_: ok |
| 17:43.32 | hoxu | wd, don't mix aptitude and apt-get, just use aptitude as it keeps tabs on what's automatically installed |
| 17:43.33 | wd | hoxu: install of postfix |
| 17:43.39 | wd | hoxu: oh |
| 17:43.42 | wd | crap |
| 17:43.56 | wd | ok |
| 17:44.08 | Coke | markybob: I don't get any of that. |
| 17:44.39 | Coke | First I need to find out if nvidia-kernel (?) is backported? |
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| 17:45.06 | markybob | it would be the easiest method. backports.org |
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| 17:45.14 | wd | Eulex_: ok so mark these apps with "m" then do aptitude update? now i know not to mix apt-get and aptitude. |
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| 17:46.07 | simonrvn | Coke: testing and unstable or similar enough, shouldn't be many issues, if any. |
| 17:46.16 | Coke | simonrvn: uhu? |
| 17:46.22 | Coke | simonrvn: your suggestion is I move to unstable? |
| 17:46.25 | simonrvn | if your install was stable, you'd need a backport |
| 17:46.27 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:46.29 | dropbear | netcrash: do the scripts run ok as root? are you using relative paths in your scripts? |
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| 17:46.41 | Coke | simonrvn: I'm on testing. |
| 17:46.44 | simonrvn | just get the sid .debs |
| 17:47.09 | Coke | simonrvn: hm. do you know exactly what the nvidia driver does wrong? |
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| 17:47.28 | simonrvn | Coke: what do you mean? |
| 17:48.15 | Coke | simonrvn: well, I've installed the nivida drivers and answered "yes" if I want to install 32-bit compat libraries, but I'm not sure it's working very well because etqw claims "cg not available" |
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| 17:49.09 | rabidsnail | Can anyone recommend an app launcher that is suitable for running over a remote x session? |
| 17:49.19 | simonrvn | there's some packages with cg in the name (having to do with nvidia), that's probably what that thing is looking for. |
| 17:49.48 | mimcpher | What are people's opinions on various wifi management things for linux? I'm using xfce4 with Network-Manager-Gnome. |
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| 17:50.34 | Coke | simonrvn: no, never needed it in 32-bit mode |
| 17:50.34 | mimcpher | There's a feature I'd really like though. I frequently use a wifi network that has http authentication, so I'd like a way to run a script after association to login for me. |
| 17:50.45 | Coke | simonrvn: also, it's installed just in case, but no go |
| 17:51.25 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 17:52.23 | Coke | simonrvn: i hate having unique problems |
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| 17:52.40 | netcrash | dropbear: they run ok has run , I'm using full path /bin/date for example |
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| 17:53.17 | wd | instead of opening aptitude and searching to mark some of my apps "m" or manual install is the commanline "aptitude unmarkauto sudo xpdf" correct? |
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| 17:54.15 | hoxu | wd, I recommend using the GUI preview feature, you can always check the packages to be automatically removed, and 'm' those, then go back ('q') and check the preview again ('g') |
| 17:54.15 | Eulex_ | wd, yes. |
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| 17:55.50 | wd | once these apps are marked "manual" if i upgrade my apps will they be included? |
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| 17:57.10 | simonrvn | Coke: i know the feeling :) |
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| 17:59.09 | xingu | discovers AllowEmptyInput xorg serverflag and removes some more cruft from xorg.conf |
| 17:59.36 | dropbear | netcrash: what does syslog tell you? do you run the scripts from crontab or from cron.daily,weekly,monthly? maybe add some crude logging to your scripts: echo "`date` - Testing 1 2 3" >> /var/log/<logfile> |
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| 18:00.00 | Coke | simonrvn: I can't be the first one trying to start ETQW in Debian AMD64 |
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| 18:00.44 | zyx3861 | is, this pci wireless compitable with Debian? " ASUS WL-138g V2 " |
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| 18:00.53 | soror | what! |
| 18:01.05 | zyx3861 | soror: what to? |
| 18:01.52 | simonrvn | Coke: i'm pretty useless, i don't even know what that is. did you do a web search about it? |
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| 18:01.57 | soror | Iam soory |
| 18:02.17 | soror | god bay |
| 18:03.26 | zyx3861 | i well buy wireless pci adapter for my pc, i well first ask about wich wirless chipset is compitable with debian/linux? |
| 18:03.26 | Coke | simonrvn: five hits, none of them have responses. |
| 18:03.47 | \amethyst | open the god bay doors, Hal |
| 18:03.58 | simonrvn | Coke: :/ |
| 18:04.15 | dropbear | \amethyst: :) |
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| 18:05.40 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.48 | xand | !kmuto |
| 18:05.48 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:05.56 | rm | zyx3861, look here: https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
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| 18:07.29 | zyx3861 | thanx |
| 18:07.44 | smellydog | hi, I got a file with name "--help" in my home directory, How can I cat it and delete it? Thanks! |
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| 18:08.06 | rm | try rm -- --help |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | or quoptes |
| 18:08.52 | rm | abrotman, quotes do not help |
| 18:09.09 | smellydog | Thanks! rm -- --help works |
| 18:09.10 | abrotman | depends on the filename |
| 18:09.20 | rm | $ rm "--help" |
| 18:09.20 | rm | Usage: rm [OPTION]... FILE... |
| 18:09.20 | rm | Remove (unlink) the FILE(s). |
| 18:09.25 | rm | knows better :P |
| 18:09.29 | rm | (nvm) |
| 18:09.34 | abrotman | in that case no , but others it does |
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| 18:11.08 | simonrvn | escaping the - or the command terminator would work |
| 18:12.01 | abrotman | !cookie simonrvn |
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| 18:12.03 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! dkr=2007-02-15 Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or s |
| 18:12.03 | dpkg | 7-01-15 |
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| 18:12.33 | abrotman | hilights the chnnel :) |
| 18:12.39 | netcrash | syslog gives no output error it's using run-parts , cron.daily , going to try a bit of logging from the scripts |
| 18:12.41 | simonrvn | weee |
| 18:12.46 | netcrash | dropbear: syslog gives no output error it's using run-parts , cron.daily , going to try a bit of logging from the scripts |
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| 18:13.48 | tom | how can i fix this: |
| 18:13.49 | tom | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd |
| 18:13.49 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 18:14.11 | roook | i'm running up-to-date testing, and since a dist-upgrade earlier this week all fonts are messed up. any ideas? |
| 18:14.13 | abrotman | !tell tom about bts |
| 18:14.18 | abrotman | !tell tom about overwrite |
| 18:14.23 | tarzeau | i have made apt-get install amule, then typed amule |
| 18:14.30 | blizzow | A couple of my debian xen virtual machines have their clocks off by 7 hours. The xen host clock is correct, and the tzdata in the virtual machines is set to PST. Why doesn't ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org set the clock to the proper time? |
| 18:14.30 | tarzeau | when i press connect it ses: no valid servers to connect in serverlist found |
| 18:14.34 | Ogedei | are there any sources that have .debs with emacs 23 snapshots? |
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| 18:16.32 | simonrvn | Ogedei: yes |
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| 18:16.50 | Ogedei | simonrvn: awesome, where do I find them? |
| 18:17.30 | simonrvn | deb http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main\ndeb-src http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main ; i believe they have some for etch too |
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| 18:18.06 | Ogedei | thanks! |
| 18:18.12 | iuri | hi there, how to config my resolution from prompt line |
| 18:18.15 | iuri | ? |
| 18:18.17 | chops | Does anyone happen to know of a web application that collects unit test (or manual QA test data) into reports that are easily browsable and searchable and so on? |
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| 18:18.22 | valdyn | iuri: man xrandr |
| 18:18.54 | iuri | valdyn, i don't have that pkg on my distro |
| 18:18.59 | simonrvn | Ogedei: see the main site for details (just tack on a / on the end of the url) |
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| 18:19.49 | iuri | debian etch 4 standard |
| 18:20.26 | Feuerbach | how can I find my key's fingerprint to match it against black list? |
| 18:20.28 | debian | iuri: Me standard! |
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| 18:21.00 | roook | iuri: apt-get install x11-xserver-utils, altough i'm not sure if it's in etch... |
| 18:21.41 | chops | iuri: apt-file search xrandr will tell you which package to install to get xrandr |
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| 18:21.47 | Radit | where does gnome sticky notes keeps its notes? |
| 18:22.34 | cosmodad | et_alia: sorry for not replying, I was distracted. You said any pre-2006 needs to be regenerated. Why is that? The vulnerability hasn't affected openssl packages before 2006. |
| 18:22.50 | cosmodad | et_alia: prior to 2006. |
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| 18:24.27 | Feuerbach | found it: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
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| 18:29.00 | jaj | I have a web/mailserver running etch which uses ssl/tls for https, imaps and smtp. The certificates were create on a bsd box, then signed by cacert and then uploaded to the server so they were just used on the server, not modified or signed on it. Do you think they may be affected by the recent openssl vulnerability? |
| 18:29.37 | chops | jaj: They should not be |
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| 18:29.48 | jaj | chops: thank you |
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| 18:31.33 | mooperd | hello |
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| 18:32.12 | mooperd | What is the reasonaly maximum number of lies you can have with iptables before it all get whay slow? |
| 18:32.45 | cloakable | lies? |
| 18:33.02 | cloakable | You shouldn't lie to your firewall, mooperd ;) |
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| 18:35.15 | kuber | damn i have 5 thinkpads now :x |
| 18:35.37 | Coke | Still having problems with the AMD64 testing and running 32-bit sdl/opengl stuff. ETQW comes with some 32-bit libs, like sdl, jpeg, stdc++ and gcc, I've installed the nvidia amd64 bit driver (answered yes on installing 32-bit compat libs), but the game quits claiming "cg not available". Is it possible to run 32-bit games in Debian? |
| 18:35.49 | jelly-home | !comfort kuber |
| 18:35.49 | dpkg | There, there, kuber. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:35.55 | cosmodad | kuber: relieve yourself of condemnation and share some. |
| 18:35.58 | chops | Coke: Considered running a 32-bit chroot instead? |
| 18:35.59 | kuber | heh. |
| 18:36.06 | Coke | chops: no. |
| 18:36.24 | chops | Coke: You might want to consider running a 32-bit chroot instead :-) |
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| 18:36.42 | Coke | chops: I'll consider switching to gentoo before doing that. |
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| 18:37.18 | jelly-home | redhat/fedora also has normal i386/amd64 interaction |
| 18:37.25 | chops | Coke: Billions for defense but not one penny for tribute? |
| 18:37.42 | Coke | chops: friends on fedora and gentoo are currently playing the game nicely, all they needed was the nvidia display drivers and 32-bit compability libraries, all were available. |
| 18:37.47 | chops | jelly-home: That too. Running a mixed 32/64 system on Debian is quite painful. |
| 18:37.49 | Coke | ... through packages. |
| 18:38.22 | Coke | I'm cool with non-free crap not having conventient packages in Debian, but still want to play games. |
| 18:38.23 | jelly-home | !biarch |
| 18:38.23 | dpkg | somebody said multiarch was http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 18:38.48 | jelly-home | ah, 2006/05. Means it's not ready yet |
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| 18:38.57 | chops | Coke: Correct; Fedora and (I assume) gentoo use a generalized biarch solution which isn't available on Debian. On Debian, the simplest solution is a chroot. Sticking rigidly to the approach that makes sense on Redhat on a Debian system, and complaining about how easy it is on Fedora, seems to me like doing things the hard way. It's up to you though. |
| 18:39.04 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 18:39.04 | dpkg | i guess multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 18:39.12 | abrotman | doh |
| 18:39.17 | jelly-home | biatch |
| 18:39.20 | Coke | chops: no, sticking to what makes most sense, period. |
| 18:39.27 | Coke | chops: if I wanted sloppy workarounds I'd use windows |
| 18:39.44 | Coke | chops: all I know is that it works straight out of packaging without chroot in gentoo and fedora. |
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| 18:40.09 | chops | Coke: Okay. Good luck. |
| 18:40.10 | jelly-home | Coke: right, so use them until Debian figures it out |
| 18:40.11 | Coke | chops: and regardless of my zealot nature towards Debian, I am more gamer. |
| 18:40.14 | Civil | hello everybody. One question. |
| 18:40.28 | Coke | jelly-home: I guess so. |
| 18:40.33 | Civil | aptitude gives error: "E: line 50 too long (maximum 1024)" |
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| 18:40.54 | chops | Civil: Shorten line 50, then? |
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| 18:41.22 | and][ng | hi |
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| 18:42.22 | Civil | chops, it's said by aptitude. In fact it's bug that my friend get after he updated to testing. Now he have nothing (no ppp, no irc-client, no x-server) and he can't ask himself... |
| 18:42.31 | Civil | and he can't install becouse apt-get doesn't work |
| 18:42.54 | chops | Civil: My advice is to figure out what file it's talking about line 50 of, and see if that line can be shortened |
| 18:43.06 | autojack | I'm running Lenny. I've installed the linux-headers package, but when I try to compile modules against it, they usually complain that version.h is missing, and therefore that the headers/kernel were never compiled. is there some other package I need to get to solve this problem? linux-source maybe? |
| 18:43.13 | chops | Civil: Or you could check the BTS -- it could be some sort of bug in a shipped or generated file, or just a bug or something, of course. |
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| 18:43.24 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 18:43.24 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
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| 18:43.33 | Civil | choc, I'm unfamiliar with debian myself. |
| 18:43.34 | davoq | Hello |
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| 18:43.51 | davoq | I have one Quad Core, What kernel Version has Recommended ? |
| 18:43.54 | autojack | oho |
| 18:43.56 | fde | Civil: Such statements aren't necessary ;) |
| 18:43.59 | autojack | I don't use multiple kernels though. |
| 18:44.07 | autojack | but maybe that will work anyway. |
| 18:44.09 | chops | davoq: Any modern Debian kernel should be fine |
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| 18:44.20 | Civil | fde, I just don't know what BTS is :) Bugtracker? |
| 18:44.33 | chops | davoq: -686 is probably best unless you have special needs |
| 18:44.38 | fde | davoq: The kernel auto-detects core's etc, so just use whatever kernel for your arch |
| 18:44.42 | fde | !bts |
| 18:44.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 18:45.02 | kgod | davoq: amd64 likely. |
| 18:45.06 | davoq | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.13 | Coke | chops: seems to be something else though, other 32-bit opengl games work nicely. |
| 18:45.21 | kgod | davoq: I'm Intel Core Duo & using 2.6.24-1-amd64. |
| 18:45.24 | davoq | Amd64 I can download ? |
| 18:45.34 | kgod | davoq: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:45.34 | davoq | I have Intel Quad COre X3220 |
| 18:45.39 | fde | davoq: kgod's advice is good unless it's a desktop... anything but i386 will give you headaches w/ a desktop debian system. |
| 18:45.45 | kgod | davoq: Yes, basically. |
| 18:46.04 | davoq | 2.6.24-1-amd64 is available in bz2 ? |
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| 18:46.21 | kgod | davoq: As a Debian package. 'deb'. |
| 18:46.24 | davoq | I have these version in .deb but not can recompile |
| 18:46.30 | kgod | !tell davoq about deb |
| 18:46.31 | chops | davoq: Install using aptitude, not manually. Why do you want to recompile? |
| 18:46.32 | fde | davoq: Debian packages (.deb) are tar.gz afaik |
| 18:46.35 | kgod | davoq: Then get sources. |
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| 18:46.43 | davoq | I need recompile kernel |
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| 18:46.48 | davoq | and .deb not can recompile |
| 18:46.50 | chops | davoq: Why? |
| 18:46.52 | simonrvn | 1000 HZ is useless, unless you want a realtime desktop machine (doing sound/video editing and such) |
| 18:46.52 | ricosecada | !dependencies |
| 18:46.52 | dpkg | from memory, dependencies is one of the killer benefits of Debian. Packages have or provide dependencies on other packages. The packaging tools (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) automatically determine these dependencies and select additional packages for installation or removal if necessary, or may have to download deb files and do dpkg -i from time to time |
| 18:47.00 | davoq | I need congif HZ 1000 |
| 18:47.02 | Eulex_ | davoq, sure it can. |
| 18:47.15 | ricosecada | How do I see what packages a package depend on? |
| 18:47.24 | Eulex_ | ricosecada, you do not. |
| 18:47.27 | kgod | !tell davoq about make-kpkg |
| 18:47.30 | chops | davoq: Why do you need that? Also, you can certainly recompile a .deb kernel with modifications, it's just more difficult than installing the .deb. |
| 18:47.42 | ricosecada | Eulex_ thats not true |
| 18:47.51 | fde | You can do 'apt-get -source kernel-image-`uname -r' kernel-package' for an easy way to build it yourself. |
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| 18:47.58 | kgod | davoq: If you're hell-bent on building your own kernel, get sources (from Debian or kernel.org), the make-kpkg package, and its deps, and build a kernel. |
| 18:48.01 | mooperd | What is the reasonaly maximum number of lines you can have with iptables before it all get whay slow? |
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| 18:48.04 | davoq | chops I need config HZ 1000 and .deb have config HZ 250 |
| 18:48.06 | simonrvn | add b-e to that |
| 18:48.06 | iugrina | hi all |
| 18:48.07 | ricosecada | Eulex_ I remember a specific command to do that |
| 18:48.09 | kgod | davoq: If you need to ask how to do this you perhaps shouldn't. |
| 18:48.10 | Eulex_ | ricosecada, well, you _can_, but you should not. any specific problem you're having? |
| 18:48.14 | iugrina | i need some help |
| 18:48.18 | chops | davoq: Okay, I'll stop asking you why you need 1000 HZ. Good luck. |
| 18:48.20 | kgod | mooperd: That really depends on what's in those lines. |
| 18:48.26 | Eulex_ | ricosecada, there is no specific command to do that. you need to edit the package manually. |
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| 18:48.40 | fde | davoq: Installing the source .deb will give you a better starting point for compiling your own kernel... |
| 18:48.40 | ricosecada | Eulex_ what are you talking about? |
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| 18:49.03 | iugrina | i'm having problem with dell optiplex 755 and dvd PBDS. debian can't find appropriate modul while ubuntu uses sr_mod |
| 18:49.15 | simonrvn | Eulex_: ETABCOMPLETION |
| 18:49.18 | mooperd | kgod Well, everything on the network will be set to go to a login page. When a user logs in then it grants him internet and other services. |
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| 18:49.34 | mn1 | I've got Galeon that I'm using but it wont play any WMV and mpg files. I'm pretty sure it used to. Firefox does play them. |
| 18:50.02 | mooperd | I mean, everything except port 80 will be DENY port 80 will go to login page |
| 18:50.03 | Eulex_ | simonrvn, ? |
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| 18:50.48 | simonrvn | Eulex_: ricosecada was asking about showing deps, davoq was asking about building a kernel and .debs |
| 18:51.03 | davoq | to see |
| 18:51.16 | Civil | chops, fde, thanks. Found bug. Gave info about it to my friend. It seems that it helped him |
| 18:51.24 | Eulex_ | aah |
| 18:51.26 | Civil | bb everybody |
| 18:51.26 | chops | Civil: \o/ |
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| 18:51.43 | Cyan | anyone knows a program like daemon tools for debian? :o |
| 18:51.49 | pacroon | mount :P |
| 18:51.55 | procdaemon | lol |
| 18:51.56 | davoq | what I need is the kernel that have installed have HZ 1000 and not 250 ( default ) |
| 18:51.58 | Eulex_ | ricosecada, sorry, I misread you. where you wrote 'see', my brain read 'change'. apt-cache show or apt-cache depends to show the dependencies of a package. |
| 18:52.02 | fde | Cyan: Depends, what does daemon tools do? |
| 18:52.11 | Cyan | well mount can't mount alchohol files |
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| 18:52.18 | ricosecada | Eulex_ np, thanks! :-) |
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| 18:52.38 | mooperd | demon tools mounts an iso image as a drive |
| 18:52.42 | Cyan | it creates visual cd drivers and it mounts files like iso and such |
| 18:52.45 | davoq | 2.6.24-1-amd64 is well version for one core quad, but not can recompile one .deb, is available in .bz2 ? |
| 18:52.48 | ricosecada | Eulex_ apt-cache depends was what I was looking for |
| 18:52.51 | Cyan | not only an iso image <.< |
| 18:53.07 | Eulex_ | Cyan, convert it. |
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| 18:53.27 | Cyan | doh :P |
| 18:53.29 | fde | Cyan: mount -o loop |
| 18:53.30 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:53.42 | Cyan | well i have found acetoneiso but i have some problems installing it :o |
| 18:54.01 | Eulex_ | Cyan, also, if you mount an iso onto a loop device, there will be no difference in appearance to the system compared to a cd drive |
| 18:54.11 | DexterF | just installed Google Earth, run it in KDE, fonts are all too small. Suspected gtkrc, but Iceweasel and Sonata look ok. hints? |
| 18:54.18 | Anthro | apt-listchanges seems to have corrupted its database. I'm getting a stacktrace and: bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') |
| 18:54.23 | davoq | chops you have one link to download kernel ? |
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| 18:54.50 | Cyan | i have several scripts for mounting iso files but i am intrested in mounting other files too without having to convert them to iso first :s |
| 18:54.54 | chops | davoq: If you really insist on getting the source and doing it yourself, aptitude install linux-source-2.6.14 |
| 18:54.54 | fde | davoq: apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` |
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| 18:55.17 | fde | davoq: The kernel source will show up in /usr/src |
| 18:55.23 | chops | davoq: It would be better than that to use make-kpkg instead, and it would be better than _that_ to tell us why you want HZ=1000 |
| 18:55.35 | chops | fde: Huh? 'apt-get source' will not install anything in /usr/src. |
| 18:55.55 | chops | fde: You mean 'aptitude install linux-source-blah', which installs source into /usr/src |
| 18:55.58 | fde | chops: Uhh... my bad... where would it go? Seems that's the most logical place? |
| 18:56.21 | chops | fde: It goes into the current directory |
| 18:56.28 | fde | ew |
| 18:56.32 | chops | fde: ... same as any other 'apt-get source' |
| 18:56.49 | fde | That should probably be changed... |
| 18:56.55 | chops | fde: What would be 'ew' is having to be able to write /usr/src in order to fetch source to an arbitrary program |
| 18:57.09 | iugrina | what is the appropriate modul to load when debian ask for cdrom module for using Ubuntu Feisty on one of the machine with 2.6.20-386 kernel on an intel HT 2.8Ghz machine.after installation the same problem of ide-pata dvdwriter detected as/or emulated as scsi by new libata drivers using module sr_mod and set device as /dev/sr0. |
| 18:57.14 | iugrina | So,I modprobed ide-cd and blacklisted forcefully(yes using /etc/modprobe.d/00.local) and added ide-cd to /etc/modules file.but still the device /dev/scd0 or /dev/sr0 are made by udev.So Is there any way to make Ubuntu udev and other systems to make ide-cd as the module for cdrom |
| 18:57.19 | iugrina | sry |
| 18:57.23 | iugrina | nwm |
| 18:57.38 | fde | chops: ahhh, I suppose |
| 18:57.41 | wd | just install postfix nebiedoc says to test type "mail username@your hostnam" well i'm getting "command not found" |
| 18:57.43 | davoq | chops, kernel 2.6.14 bot work in my quad core i need amd654 |
| 18:57.44 | davoq | chops, kernel 2.6.14 bot work in my quad core i need amd64 |
| 18:58.02 | chops | davoq: So fetch that source package instead (possibly from amd64 repositories). Also, I heard you the first time. |
| 18:58.11 | wd | *hostname* |
| 18:58.17 | iugrina | what is appropriate module to load when debian asks for cdrom modul if I have PBDS DVD+/-RW DH-16W1S, 2D14, max UDMA/100 |
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| 18:59.27 | adama | is there an RPM package for the ssh-vulnkey command? or something I can install on CentOS |
| 18:59.32 | jelly-home | iugrina: is it a PATA or a SATA device? |
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| 18:59.51 | abrotman | adama: ask them |
| 18:59.52 | chops | adama: CentOS was not affected by the ssh vulnerability AFAIK |
| 19:00.05 | iugrina | jelly-home: a SATA device, i'm writting this from ubutnu which used sr_mod |
| 19:00.14 | mick_home | adama: there is something in perl that can check |
| 19:00.16 | mick_home | http://security.debian.org/project/extra/dowkd/dowkd.pl.gz |
| 19:00.20 | jelly-home | iugrina: debian will use sr_mod as well, then |
| 19:00.45 | iugrina | jelly-home: but it ain't on the list |
| 19:00.46 | mick_home | adama: what do you want to do in particular? see if a key is vulnerble? |
| 19:01.05 | mick_home | adama: ./dowkd.pl user |
| 19:01.12 | mick_home | that will tell you |
| 19:01.17 | adama | I want to check the authorized_keys file on a CentOS server for vulnerable keys and remove them |
| 19:01.33 | mick_home | adama: look up ^^^^ |
| 19:01.37 | mick_home | that will tell you |
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| 19:01.44 | adama | the dowkd? |
| 19:01.56 | mick_home | yes |
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| 19:02.00 | mick_home | adama: http://security.debian.org/project/extra/dowkd/dowkd.pl.gz |
| 19:02.02 | abrotman | adama: ask them |
| 19:02.02 | adama | ok thank you |
| 19:02.09 | mick_home | gunzip that and then run it |
| 19:02.17 | TheOnly | anyone using vmware on lenny? |
| 19:02.17 | abrotman | mick_home: he should be asking them .. that tool may not work on centos |
| 19:02.17 | mick_home | np |
| 19:02.25 | jelly-home | iugrina: what list? |
| 19:02.31 | mick_home | it is perl :-P |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | so? |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | mick_home: which version of perl does his centos box have? |
| 19:03.02 | iugrina | jelly-home: it tries to find appropriate model and then ask for floppy (which I don't have) and than asks me to chose one module from the list of modules( cdrom, ...) |
| 19:03.02 | mick_home | abrotman: i'm fairly sure it will, i checked the code -- and it looked fairly portable |
| 19:03.13 | jelly-home | iugrina: oh, you're installing? |
| 19:03.16 | abrotman | he should still ask them .. |
| 19:03.24 | iugrina | jelly-home: yes :(\ |
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| 19:04.13 | adama | it found 7 weak keys |
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| 19:04.34 | jelly-home | iugrina: "/msg dpkg kmuto" for netinst iso images with newer kernels (that are probably needed for your sata controller) |
| 19:04.37 | mick_home | oh fun :-P |
| 19:04.53 | ricosecada | Does anyone know if it is "the debian" way to mess with the file /etc/amavis/conf.d/15-av_scanners when wanting to turn off clamav? If I have understood it right, only the file 15-content_filter_mode should be touched to change on/off? |
| 19:05.05 | mick_home | adama: contact the users and remove those public keys -- they need to upgrade and regenerate them |
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| 19:05.19 | abrotman | mick_home: stop it already |
| 19:05.34 | iugrina | jelly-home: tnx :D |
| 19:05.34 | mick_home | abrotman: what did i do? |
| 19:05.44 | jelly-home | iugrina: algterant, follow the instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 19:05.52 | jelly-home | alternatively* |
| 19:05.59 | abrotman | mick_home: you have no idea what's wrong with his keys or if they were affected by the DSA .. it's not a Debian machine |
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| 19:06.33 | mick_home | yes, but the keys put there could very well be |
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| 19:06.49 | rascal999 | I have a hp tablet tc1100 with debian. I don't know how to completely deactivate the screen after inactivity. How do I do this? |
| 19:06.50 | abrotman | it's not our business .. go to #centos with him if you want to help him |
| 19:07.00 | mick_home | ok, i understand |
| 19:07.01 | _ke | quick question: i recently jumped over to aptitude from apt-get, is there a possibility to purge all packages, which my system does not need anymore? |
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| 19:08.54 | abrotman | _ke: /msg dpkg deborphan .. which may help |
| 19:09.30 | _ke | abrotman, yeah, probably.. but it isnt possible to do that with aptitude? |
| 19:10.22 | abrotman | not like that ... that i know of |
| 19:10.52 | davoq | I download linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64_2.6.24-6_i386.deb, can recompile for change HZ ? |
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| 19:12.07 | Eulex_ | davoq, you want the _source_ if you want to have any chance of recompiling. and are you sure you really want the -amd64 one? |
| 19:12.16 | wd | hoxu: did u say earlier that u use postfix? |
| 19:12.43 | davoq | Eulex_, yes, my machine is quad core |
| 19:13.19 | Eulex_ | davoq, note that some proprietary software does not run with an -amd64 kernel on i386 |
| 19:13.40 | davoq | any link for download source for adm64 ? |
| 19:13.57 | davoq | I install 2.6.24-1-amd64 but |
| 19:14.04 | davoq | Hz is 250 |
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| 19:14.18 | davoq | and not can recompile one .deb packpage to change HZ to 1000 |
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| 19:14.52 | simonrvn | davoq: /msg dpkg k-p |
| 19:14.59 | simonrvn | and please stop asking about it |
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| 19:15.46 | Eulex_ | davoq, you can. download the source package. |
| 19:15.48 | yang | How are SONY memory cards reaable in a laptop ? which /dev ? |
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| 19:16.01 | grendal_prime | dell d630 ?? |
| 19:16.08 | grendal_prime | anyone have one that everything works on? |
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| 19:16.17 | davoq | Eulex_, yes, but in google not have info |
| 19:16.30 | davoq | I need one link for download source amd64 |
| 19:16.41 | Eulex_ | davoq, this channel has, and has repeatedly been giving you info. |
| 19:16.56 | markybob | davoq, go to #debian-es |
| 19:17.09 | Eulex_ | davoq, for finding packages to download, use packages.debian.org. in any way, any reason that a 2.6.18 kernel wouldn't do? |
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| 19:17.45 | davoq | Eulex_ I need only sourve for 2.6.24-1amd64 |
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| 19:18.38 | Eulex_ | davoq, packages.debian.org. search for linux-source-2.6.24 |
| 19:19.09 | simonrvn | davoq: a) fetch linux kernel source package b) untar tarball in /usr/src c) cd to directory created d) cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config e) run make menuconfig f) type /HZ in menuconfig g) change CONFIG_HZ to what you want |
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| 19:20.14 | norc | Which package name do I have to specify to install xorg with all required components to have x11 running? |
| 19:20.14 | SR71-Blackbird | can anyone here point me to a comprehensive list of supported graphics cards on debian? |
| 19:20.33 | fde | SR71-Blackbird: dri.freedesktop.org |
| 19:20.35 | norc | All I know it was something starting with x- :-) |
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| 19:21.04 | SR71-Blackbird | fde, thanks |
| 19:22.04 | norc | nvm, x-window-system, got it! |
| 19:22.32 | jelly-home | !tell norc about install x |
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| 19:22.45 | fde | SR71-Blackbird: Some older cards are supported without DRI support... and ATI and Nvidia provide closed drivers for more recent cards... but http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Status is the largest source for such things. |
| 19:23.34 | fde | Although that particular page appears to be down :S |
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| 19:24.04 | deltas4 | hey, what reasons do you prefer debian for? I'm chosing a distro |
| 19:24.07 | SR71-Blackbird | fde, yeah.. I'm trying to use open source ones as far as possible... only options are intel and ati that too, just the old ones it seems |
| 19:24.10 | norc | Fair enough. One last question, is there any specific reason why imagemagick pulls in all that gnome stuff? |
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| 19:24.38 | fde | SR71-Blackbird: When that page comes back up, it'll tell you every card supported with 3D etc |
| 19:24.39 | SR71-Blackbird | deltas4, i choose it for it's ease of use and package management |
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| 19:24.47 | SR71-Blackbird | fde, thanks |
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| 19:25.00 | unstable | So I have this ATA hdd attached to my system, and I wanted to backup the entire disk, and put that data onto another disk, which is the identical size |
| 19:25.05 | SR71-Blackbird | has anyone here managed to run MAYA on debian? |
| 19:25.10 | unstable | I'm having trouble with the dd command |
| 19:25.33 | SR71-Blackbird | unstable, what kind of problem? |
| 19:25.49 | unstable | How do I know what to set the bs to? |
| 19:25.51 | unstable | So it's not too slow |
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| 19:26.28 | \amethyst | unstable: can you use cp instead of dd? |
| 19:26.40 | Eulex_ | unstable, cp will choose the best block size automatically |
| 19:26.50 | unstable | \amethyst: Well I want to copy the MBR, with grub. everything |
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| 19:27.14 | \amethyst | unstable: MBR is how big? |
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| 19:27.41 | \amethyst | 512 bytes? |
| 19:27.47 | unstable | yes |
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| 19:27.55 | \amethyst | just use bs=512 count=1 |
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| 19:28.02 | Eulex_ | unstable, cp /dev/[hs]d[abcde] /path/to/file to copy the whole disk |
| 19:28.26 | unstable | Eulex_: And then to copy that file, to a fresh/brand new disk, the exact same size? |
| 19:28.34 | unstable | Eulex_: Will that copy the MBR? |
| 19:28.56 | Eulex_ | unstable, it will. I believe you can just cp the image back onto a device. |
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| 19:29.07 | Eulex_ | unstable, just replace the device with the correct device :) |
| 19:29.16 | \amethyst | unstable: 512 is a reasonable blocksize; for some devices larger block sizes are better, but if you're just copying the MBR you don't want a larget blocksize |
| 19:29.24 | ricosecada | I am running a lot of virtual hosts and would like to use webalizer, how do you guys recommend splitting the log? As I understand Vlogger splits into days, which webalizer doesn't read. |
| 19:29.53 | norc | Ok, is there any other package than imagemagick that ships with a tool to set my background in openbox for example? |
| 19:29.55 | Eulex_ | \amethyst, I believe he meant that he _also_ wanted to copy the mbr, apart from the disk contents |
| 19:30.00 | \amethyst | oh |
| 19:30.12 | unstable | Eulex_: ok, worth a shot I guess |
| 19:30.25 | amphi | norc: feh can do it, amongst many others |
| 19:30.26 | Eulex_ | "...and I wanted to backup the entire disk..." |
| 19:30.41 | norc | amphi: thanks |
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| 19:31.39 | stoned | amphi, pin |
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| 19:32.44 | yang | How are SONY memory cards readable in a laptop does someone know ? which /dev ? |
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| 19:33.15 | aanderse | does anyone know how often new gspca-modules get updated in debian unstable? |
| 19:34.15 | epsilon | gaaaaaaaah! How many openssh updates are still to come *tilt* |
| 19:34.18 | dondelelcaro | aanderse: as often as the maintainer updates them |
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| 19:34.33 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: that's just a revision to the same dsa; the DSA was released without all of the architectures |
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| 19:35.45 | aanderse | dondelelcaro: thanks... i'll just compile it then |
| 19:37.27 | nkuttler | yang: it depends. try /var/log/messages |
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| 19:39.07 | markybob | wow. i dont remember ever seeing an aol ip in here before |
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| 19:39.22 | amphi | stoned: pon |
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| 19:39.37 | dondelelcaro | aanderse: if the maintainer isn't updating them frequently enough, consider filing bugs, and or asking the maintainer if they need help. |
| 19:39.58 | aanderse | well, they probably are... i just got a new webcam though :) |
| 19:39.59 | dondelelcaro | aanderse: that way any work you do benifits everyone. |
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| 19:40.22 | aanderse | you know when you buy new hardware... you want it to work today, not tomorrow ;-) |
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| 19:40.48 | yang | nkuttler: its the TIFM core module.... |
| 19:40.49 | dokma | guys, I've just built my first RAID1 array ever. I've booted my debian box but now I don't know how the RAID1 is called in /dev/ ??? |
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| 19:41.23 | Nioate | dokma: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 19:41.28 | Nioate | dokma: most likely, it's /dev/md0 |
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| 19:41.42 | dokma | Nioate: don't have that |
| 19:41.48 | Nioate | oh |
| 19:41.51 | dokma | perhaps I'm missing something in the kernel |
| 19:41.55 | dokma | I've compiled it manually |
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| 19:42.11 | dokma | Nioate: RAID1 was setup from bios |
| 19:42.23 | dokma | actually from RAID utility on my ABIT NF7-S |
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| 19:42.38 | Nioate | dokma: well then maybe I told you incorrectly. I thought you were doing software RAID |
| 19:42.51 | dokma | no this is hardware RAID |
| 19:43.11 | dokma | my logic is telling me it should simply appear as a block device in /dev/ |
| 19:43.16 | Nioate | dokma: does it show up in dmesg? |
| 19:43.35 | dokma | let me check |
| 19:43.59 | mquin | dokma: see http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.htmlhttp://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 19:44.26 | jelly-home | mquin: halve that url ; |
| 19:44.35 | mquin | Oops |
| 19:44.38 | mquin | http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 19:44.44 | dokma | tx! |
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| 19:47.13 | dokma | scsi0 : sata_sil |
| 19:47.15 | dokma | scsi1 : sata_sil |
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| 19:47.16 | dokma | ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 mmio m512@0xe5000000 tf 0xe5000080 irq 17 |
| 19:47.18 | dokma | ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 mmio m512@0xe5000000 tf 0xe50000c0 irq 17 |
| 19:47.27 | dokma | this is the only thing I've found in the dmesg output |
| 19:47.36 | jelly-home | dokma: which controller do you have? |
| 19:47.37 | dokma | that has anything to do with my newly connected devices |
| 19:47.46 | dokma | ABIT NF7-S on board |
| 19:48.04 | jelly-home | dokma: are you 100% positive that's a hw raid one? |
| 19:48.12 | dokma | no |
| 19:48.13 | jintxo | imho you're much better off using standard software raid and not that bios provided stuff. no special drivers to access the raid and much easier to set up. plus if your mobo goes out you can mount the raid on another motherboard type |
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| 19:48.55 | dokma | jintxo: hmmm... good I've asked |
| 19:49.05 | dokma | any cons to soft raid ? |
| 19:49.14 | jelly-home | dokma: onboard crap is usually fakeraid, some xor hardware and uses custom drivers |
| 19:49.25 | Anthro | apt-listchanges seems to have corrupted its database. I'm getting a stacktrace and: bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') |
| 19:49.40 | jelly-home | md raid (the usual linux softraid) works. |
| 19:49.41 | jintxo | more cpu usage but that's not really a "con" these days. mdadm and soft raid is much better than these fake raids (my opinion, of course) |
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| 19:50.37 | jelly-home | Anthro: it's not corrupted. You using testing or unstable, right? |
| 19:50.54 | Anthro | jelly-home: Testing, yes |
| 19:51.10 | Anthro | jelly-home: This is a known bug, then? |
| 19:51.11 | jelly-home | !tell Anthro about apt-listchanges fix |
| 19:51.16 | jelly-home | Anthro: yes. |
| 19:51.41 | Anthro | jelly-home: Nice. Thanks! |
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| 19:52.34 | Nioate | what permissions does a non-root user need in order to mount a device with groupid floppy? I am already in the floppy group and I can even read the raw filesystem with a hex editor yet I still get the error "mount: only root can do that" when I try to mount it |
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| 19:53.39 | jelly-home | Nioate: mount /dev/foo /mnt/point only works for root. You could install and use pmount |
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| 19:54.24 | jelly-home | Nioate: "pmount /dev/foo" will mount it under /media/foo, then |
| 19:55.00 | wd | someone please take a look at my postfix config because i'm following newbiedoc and command "mail (myusername)@(my_hostname)" gives me "command not found" error.. |
| 19:55.01 | Nioate | jelly-home: I didn't know that. how odd. |
| 19:55.12 | Nioate | jelly-home: thank you |
| 19:55.28 | wd | http://rafb.net/p/PlE6Tz39.html |
| 19:55.35 | wd | ^^^ |
| 19:55.41 | jelly-home | wd: install mailx |
| 19:56.00 | wd | jelly-home: ontop of postfix? |
| 19:56.19 | jelly-home | wd: no, parallel to it :-) |
| 19:56.59 | jelly-home | wd: it will provide /usr/bin/mail, I think |
| 19:57.02 | jintxo | wd, mailx is just a simple mail client that provides the "mail" command |
| 19:57.17 | jelly-home | !find bin/mail$ |
| 19:57.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (1): (/usr/bin/mail) in mail/mailutils. |
| 19:57.30 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 19:57.48 | wd | jintxo: so uninstall postfix and install mailx? |
| 19:57.53 | jintxo | wd, no |
| 19:57.54 | jelly-home | wd: no |
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| 19:58.09 | mbroeker | wd: in line 16: myorigin = $myhostname ### use $name not &name :) |
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| 19:58.28 | jintxo | wd, postfix = transport mail between servers, mailx = use the mail command to send a message. you want both :-) |
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| 19:59.08 | Anthro | jelly-home: That did it! My apt-listchanges is back in business. Thanks! |
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| 19:59.19 | humbolt | What does that mean in my sfdisk output? /dev/sda6 75+ 4938 4864- 39070017 fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 19:59.22 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 19:59.27 | humbolt | The minus looks suspicious! |
| 19:59.47 | enouf | humbolt: cylinder boundary marker |
| 19:59.58 | wd | mbroeker: i see it ooops ty. |
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| 20:00.06 | humbolt | I am having a problem with my Raid1 setup. |
| 20:00.23 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: it means that they're slightly more and slightly less than what is being displayed. |
| 20:00.25 | Nazcafan | I installed an appache server on my box and realised the files for the server were in /var/www/ |
| 20:00.39 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: man sfdisk; explains it. |
| 20:00.42 | Nazcafan | which belongs to root:root |
| 20:00.46 | humbolt | And probably the reason for it might be this: FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap (cfdisk tells me) |
| 20:00.50 | wd | jintxo: ok. isn't postfix suppose to work with a built in mail command like newbie doc says? |
| 20:01.17 | enouf | humbolt: same here /dev/hdc1 * 0+ 1057 1058- 8498353+ 83 Linux |
| 20:01.18 | Nazcafan | What is the standard way in order to allow a user read/write access to those folders, in debian ? |
| 20:01.31 | Nazcafan | like creating a group? |
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| 20:01.44 | jintxo | wd, they're 2 different things. just install mailx to get the mail command and then continue playing with postfix |
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| 20:01.54 | enouf | humbolt: yeah, ext'd + logicals can bite you on the ass |
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| 20:02.34 | humbolt | enouf: So what can I do now? It seems the raid partition on this disk did not come up for this very reason! |
| 20:02.35 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: that's a good idea. create a group, make the DocumentRoot of their web group-writable (and maybe setgid), and let them fill it |
| 20:02.51 | kshah | where is the bind9 log located? |
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| 20:03.12 | Nazcafan | jelly-home:isn't there any already there "webmasters" group? |
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| 20:03.19 | wd | jintxo: ok |
| 20:03.30 | humbolt | [ 100.487803] md: kicking non-fresh sda6 from array! |
| 20:03.42 | maqr | is there some way i could install gcc-4.0 side-by-side with gcc-4.1 in debian etch? |
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| 20:03.48 | enouf | humbolt: well actually, i'd back up that table, then try reimporting it, i guess - but seeing one entry from sfdisk doesn't tell me much, so .. |
| 20:03.50 | humbolt | What can I do |
| 20:04.12 | jelly-home | kshah: grep named /var/log/daemon.log |
| 20:04.12 | kshah | thanks |
| 20:04.17 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: not that I know of |
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| 20:04.59 | chops | maqr: aptitude install gcc-4.0 gcc-4.1? |
| 20:05.06 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: there's www-data but you don't want to use that |
| 20:05.17 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I trust you |
| 20:05.24 | LimCore | reads xkcd |
| 20:05.27 | maqr | chops: there's no gcc-4.0 package from what's in my sources.list, which is jut etch |
| 20:05.30 | maqr | *just |
| 20:05.44 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know a packet format that is nice to read |
| 20:05.45 | JyZyXEL | with eyes |
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| 20:06.20 | norc | Hello. Which package do I require in Debian Testing to autoconfigure my xorg.conf? |
| 20:06.22 | chops | maqr: There's both gcc-4.0 and gcc-4.1 on my etch system... |
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| 20:06.26 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: in real time? |
| 20:06.29 | msshams | when i update my apache 1.3 to apache2, my server load rise too. after update, mysqld and apache processes use cpu and mem more than normal usage. what is problem do you think? |
| 20:06.50 | maqr | chops: "apt-get install gcc-4.0" tells me it can't find the package |
| 20:06.51 | humbolt | enouf: cfdisk tells me: FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 20:07.08 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 20:07.13 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: just use tcpdump to record in the usual .pcap and browse the recorded packets with wireshark |
| 20:07.13 | JyZyXEL | from wireshark |
| 20:07.16 | enouf | humbolt: i saw - so, you've been resizing partitions? |
| 20:07.18 | humbolt | Well, the only thing I am seeing is that sda6 is before sda5 |
| 20:07.19 | JyZyXEL | i cant |
| 20:07.20 | NthDegree | JyZyXEL: UDP is easier to read |
| 20:07.23 | chops | maqr: Oh, I see, that's an obselete package. You can get gcc-4.0 from snapshots, I guess |
| 20:07.25 | JyZyXEL | im in Wireshark |
| 20:07.29 | Nazcafan | ok, I added myself to the www group but is there another way than gnome logout/login to get my rights updated? |
| 20:07.30 | JyZyXEL | i wanna save the packets to .tct |
| 20:07.31 | JyZyXEL | txt |
| 20:07.34 | NthDegree | ah |
| 20:07.36 | maqr | chops: how do i do that? i really need it to compile this thing |
| 20:07.37 | NthDegree | nvm then |
| 20:07.40 | JyZyXEL | so i can look then |
| 20:07.42 | JyZyXEL | them |
| 20:07.48 | deltas4 | does anyone know if fluxbox already has xft support? |
| 20:07.53 | JyZyXEL | and id only like the data portition of the packets |
| 20:07.57 | JyZyXEL | if thats possible even |
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| 20:08.01 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: heh, that's unusual |
| 20:08.02 | humbolt | enouf: I set this up with fedora Live CD and then installed Debian alongside. |
| 20:08.09 | enouf | humbolt: ofcourse, not in correct order makes it much more of a PITA and easily breakable |
| 20:08.09 | chops | !tell maqr about snapshots |
| 20:08.14 | humbolt | enouf: Actually Fedora did not boot at all! |
| 20:08.23 | JyZyXEL | no its not |
| 20:08.28 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: is it a tcp protocol you're interested in? |
| 20:09.07 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 20:09.15 | maqr | chops: aha! i had no idea you could do that, tyvm |
| 20:09.18 | JyZyXEL | the Data parts only |
| 20:09.28 | chops | maqr: np |
| 20:09.31 | enouf | humbolt: so you installed fedora, which didn't boot, then tried debian? |
| 20:09.47 | JyZyXEL | im bout to start copypasting them manually soon |
| 20:09.50 | humbolt | enouf: how can I correct that? save layout with sfdisk, switch names of sda5 and 6 and then write the layout again? |
| 20:10.00 | enouf | humbolt: at the least pastebin output of sfdisk -l |
| 20:10.02 | humbolt | enouf: I did want them side by side anyways. |
| 20:10.13 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: if it is, find an interesting packet, right-click, Follow TCP stream |
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| 20:10.23 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 20:10.28 | JyZyXEL | i already have the packets i want marked |
| 20:10.34 | humbolt | I always have at least 2 different distros side by side. |
| 20:10.40 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna .txt from them?=! |
| 20:10.48 | enouf | humbolt: do you have any bios mobo fakeraid setup? and windows? |
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| 20:10.55 | JyZyXEL | cause its gonna take too long to copypaste them |
| 20:10.56 | cmanns | How do I configure another network adapter? We just added it to the server ifconfig shows no aditional adapter iono what to do... |
| 20:11.05 | JyZyXEL | and i can't even copypaste them with clipboard |
| 20:11.12 | JyZyXEL | you cannot paste from wireshark |
| 20:11.18 | humbolt | enouf: http://pastebin.org/36432 |
| 20:11.19 | enouf | cmanns: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:11.19 | JyZyXEL | you gotta WRITE them manually to a file |
| 20:11.20 | maqr | chops: how would i go about specifying which gcc version gets used for a specific compile? |
| 20:11.23 | JyZyXEL | one by one |
| 20:11.31 | maqr | chops: would it be CC=gcc-4.0 or something? |
| 20:11.37 | chops | maqr: Often it's CC=gcc-4.0 make (or whatever) |
| 20:11.44 | chops | maqr: It depends on the build system, though |
| 20:11.44 | maqr | thanks :) |
| 20:11.45 | enouf | cmanns: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 20:11.47 | chops | maqr: np |
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| 20:12.04 | enouf | cmanns: follow instructs. load neeeded module |
| 20:12.06 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: dunno. But when you follow tcp stream, you can save the data as text |
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| 20:12.52 | JyZyXEL | im so close to snapping my keyboard in half |
| 20:13.29 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: that's not relevant to your query, I'm afraid ;-) |
| 20:14.24 | cmanns | Ok I found which driver it is how would I load it |
| 20:14.34 | msshams | when i update my apache 1.3 to apache2, my server load rise too. after update, mysqld and apache processes use cpu and mem more than normal usage. what is problem do you think? |
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| 20:14.44 | humbolt | enouf: no windows and plain IDE Linux software raid. There is an sata raid controller on the board but it is not used for this. |
| 20:15.41 | JyZyXEL | god damn i bet they didn't even implement the format in wireshark |
| 20:15.42 | enouf | humbolt: i see now, but what's on sda5? bad fedora? |
| 20:15.51 | JyZyXEL | im gonna go murder the ppl who made this |
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| 20:16.09 | enouf | cmanns: modprobe - please /msg dpkg grounding |
| 20:16.25 | humbolt | enouf: sda5 that is an encrypted partition destined to hold some data some time, but still empty |
| 20:16.28 | arussel | I would like when login, to have urxvt running with screen. I tried to start using "urxvt -e zsh -c "screen"" and "urxvt -e screen" but non worked (urxvt exit right away). What else could I try ? |
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| 20:16.43 | humbolt | debian does not know much about that yet (not in fstab) |
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| 20:16.57 | humbolt | enouf: created under fedora installler |
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| 20:17.05 | jelly-home | arussel: urxvt -e screen ought to work |
| 20:17.08 | cmanns | enouf, I did modprobe drivername |
| 20:17.14 | jelly-home | arussel: are you in X? :-) |
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| 20:17.25 | arussel | jelly-home: yes |
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| 20:17.41 | jelly-home | arussel: where/how are you starting those from? |
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| 20:18.15 | arussel | jelly-home: from xmonad conf file |
| 20:18.26 | jelly-home | arussel: open a terminal. run urxvt -e screen there. does it report an error of some sort? |
| 20:18.31 | enouf | humbolt: wwell, the way i see it, you really should reorganize sda a bit, the first 3 are fine, but sda4 ext'd is breaking shit, the way you are using it, i'd (personally) wipe 4, 5, and 6 and stick to making one more Primary on 4, let it take the rest of the disk - but that's me |
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| 20:18.39 | humbolt | enouf: there is lvm on the raid partition |
| 20:18.59 | enouf | cmanns: and? |
| 20:19.10 | cmanns | ifconfig still dont show it... idk what else to do |
| 20:19.23 | enouf | cmanns: did modprobe return an error? |
| 20:19.28 | cmanns | none |
| 20:19.30 | enouf | cmanns: check dmesg |
| 20:19.32 | arussel | jelly-home: I think I made a mistake in my diagnostic. |
| 20:19.40 | enouf | cmanns: that's good (modprobe) |
| 20:19.46 | humbolt | enouf: but sdb is smaller than sda, therefore I would loose about 20 gig if I just took all the rest for sda4 |
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| 20:20.04 | amphi | cmanns: you did ifconfig -a ? |
| 20:20.34 | cmanns | yay its there :D |
| 20:20.38 | arussel | jelly-home: it just reattached to the screen that was already started. I was expecting a new window with urxvt. |
| 20:20.48 | enouf | humbolt: well whats on sda1 2 3 ? |
| 20:20.53 | arussel | I'll see if it works next time I log in |
| 20:21.08 | cmanns | I aliased it as eth2 in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 20:21.10 | cmanns | that correct? |
| 20:21.17 | humbolt | these are boot partitions for fedora, debian and whatever I want to put on there next |
| 20:21.21 | enouf | humbolt: you could wipe 4 5 6 and resize 3 to add 20G to it, then make sda4 to end of disk |
| 20:21.34 | amphi | cmanns: iwconfig should show some info about it |
| 20:21.34 | jelly-home | arussel: reattaching is weird unless you explicitely do it in the default .screenrc |
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| 20:22.36 | arussel | jelly-home: I'll log in/out to see exactly what is happening, thanks for your help |
| 20:22.43 | enouf | humbolt: see, to me, it's so much easier that way - not to mention LVM not being setup to manage the entire disk is somewhat of a bad idea IMHO, not even sure that it could work like that |
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| 20:23.35 | humbolt | enouf: I would rater want to just make what is sda6 now to be sda5 afterwards, so everything is in order. The question is, if md0 would be affected by that change, as it has to use another partition then. But since the superblock only stores a raid device ID and not a partition number, I guess I would be allright. |
| 20:23.35 | ak5_ | hello, can someone point me to some documentation regarding changing localization for single users? I can only find very _old_ docs |
| 20:23.58 | valdyn | !locales |
| 20:23.58 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 20:24.09 | humbolt | enouf: sure LVM works like that. It always has! |
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| 20:24.28 | valdyn | ak5_: that single user only needs his LC_ALL set , once his locale is generated |
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| 20:24.39 | humbolt | enouf: I do this for a long time like that already and never had any problems ... as long as I set it up in debian |
| 20:24.49 | enouf | humbolt: well then, yikes - i'm never going to attempt that ;-) |
| 20:24.57 | humbolt | enouf: And LVM specs state this as a normal setup |
| 20:24.59 | ak5_ | valdyn, thx |
| 20:25.05 | enouf | humbolt: but sure then reorder sda5 / 6 |
| 20:25.06 | valdyn | ak5_: and gdm lets users pick locale on the login screen |
| 20:25.14 | enouf | humbolt: rebuild the array then |
| 20:25.20 | valdyn | ak5_: which saves you from editing any config file.. |
| 20:25.32 | humbolt | enouf: I wont rebuild anything |
| 20:25.34 | ak5_ | valdyn, hmm, this is a networkless box - I think I might need some packages... |
| 20:25.45 | valdyn | ak5_: no, why? |
| 20:25.52 | enouf | humbolt: where in LVM docs does it talk about managing DOS type Ext'd partitioning? |
| 20:25.54 | humbolt | enouf: And the way md with superblock work, I should not have to. |
| 20:26.02 | valdyn | ak5_: you dont have gdm installed? |
| 20:26.06 | ak5_ | valdyn, they are all there? NICE |
| 20:26.08 | Zesturian | I've hit the 32k file limit within a directory on ext3, any suggestions on resolving it? |
| 20:26.14 | ak5_ | valdyn, oh, I do |
| 20:26.20 | humbolt | enouf: It does not! |
| 20:26.28 | enouf | humbolt: you will have a degraded array - and need to rebuild it (or whatever it's called) |
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| 20:26.40 | valdyn | ak5_: then just follow what dpkg said on how to generate locales, gdm will let users pick any of those you generated |
| 20:26.43 | humbolt | enouf: All LVM sees is a md0 device as its one and only PV. |
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| 20:27.06 | enouf | that's nice, have fun ;-) |
| 20:27.12 | ak5_ | valdyn, but - I wouldn't know what loc:/ |
| 20:27.16 | jelly-home | Zesturian: there's a 32k file limit? Which kernel? |
| 20:27.17 | humbolt | enouf: Very clean LVM setup indeed. |
| 20:27.21 | ak5_ | there is iso and utf :/ |
| 20:27.42 | valdyn | ak5_: what the hell is "loc:/" ? |
| 20:27.42 | enouf | if you're happy with it, more power to ya ;-) |
| 20:27.43 | ak5_ | valdyn, sry, locales :/ somehow that got cut off |
| 20:27.56 | jelly-home | Zesturian: I had a directory with ~5mil. entries the other day on ext3 |
| 20:28.06 | jhb | hi *, I am running lenny, and would like to have openssh-server updates. But no matter what sources I set in my sources.list, I won't get the propper updates (no automatic regeneration of server keys). What sources should I use? |
| 20:28.06 | valdyn | ak5_: you could grab the locales-all package if you are not on etch, i think |
| 20:28.17 | Zesturian | jelly-home : 2.6.9-67.0.1.ELsmp |
| 20:28.17 | valdyn | ak5_: you can also just generate all locales |
| 20:28.21 | ak5_ | valdyn, hmm, ok :D |
| 20:28.28 | jelly-home | Zesturian: RHEL is that way --> |
| 20:28.37 | ak5_ | valdyn, generally do I want utf or iso? |
| 20:28.40 | valdyn | ak5_: but its probably best if you learn which locales you need |
| 20:28.46 | valdyn | ak5_: utf |
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| 20:28.50 | ak5_ | valdyn, ok |
| 20:28.54 | markybob | jhb, you need to regenerate the keys yourself |
| 20:29.11 | jelly-home | Zesturian: but I _think_ even RHEL4 would not have that limit any more |
| 20:29.14 | Zesturian | Haha jelly-home, you caught me out :-p |
| 20:29.28 | humbolt | enouf: All I need to know how to change sda6 to be sda5 further on. I guess editing the output of sfdisk -O something.txt and then doing sfdisk -I something.txt should do it? Am I right? |
| 20:29.30 | enouf | humbolt: and please explain to me the point of using LVM on top of a raid array you won't/can't resize properly? i mean, are you using LVM on top to just be able to later add other partitions to the array? |
| 20:29.39 | jhb | markybob, thanks. Would you also know which package contains ssh-vulnkey, and where to get it for lenny? |
| 20:29.42 | valdyn | ak5_: cc_CC.UTF-8 is all you need, for each cc ( country code ), you want supported |
| 20:29.53 | ak5_ | valdyn, ok thx a bunch |
| 20:30.06 | enouf | humbolt: i'm not sure - and apologies, but i don't have the patience to figure it all out for you atm |
| 20:30.08 | markybob | jhb, it's in lenny's security ...do you have that in your sources? |
| 20:30.34 | markybob | !tell jhb about dsa1571 |
| 20:30.39 | jhb | markybob, I have "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 20:31.03 | markybob | jhb, the security announcement has direct links |
| 20:31.17 | humbolt | enouf: Raid1 for data redundancy. LVM for being able to change partition sizes any time! |
| 20:31.39 | jhb | markybob, thanks. /me reads |
| 20:31.48 | kshah | if I manually edited /var/log/daemon.log as root will the logger not be able to write to the file anymore? |
| 20:31.58 | valdyn | kalila: no |
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| 20:32.05 | humbolt | enouf: I don't understand what shall be so weird about that? |
| 20:32.09 | enouf | humbolt: aye, but you can't even get it to boot, or load b/c of partition size/placement/boundary issues |
| 20:32.20 | valdyn | kalila: err, no, it will not be not able to write anymore |
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| 20:32.54 | humbolt | b/c? |
| 20:33.03 | valdyn | kalila: question is why the hell you would _edit_ a log file |
| 20:33.10 | poseidon | Would it be easier to completely install lenny from a cd, or is there an easy way to upgrade from etch? |
| 20:33.12 | valdyn | kalila: ops |
| 20:33.14 | enouf | and even if it did, where would you extend the LV to? the disk is full (sda), and yet, you only want the mirrors to be of exact size - and yu're out of space |
| 20:33.15 | jhb | markybob, so nothing in the repositories yet (I see nothing for lenny) |
| 20:33.22 | valdyn | kshah: question is why the hell you would _edit_ a log file |
| 20:33.35 | kshah | I'm an idiot |
| 20:33.36 | enouf | (maybe if you added more physical disks .. hrm) |
| 20:33.47 | kshah | is the simple explanation, i'm new to linux and I forgot i can use tail |
| 20:33.48 | enouf | humbolt: b/c == because |
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| 20:34.02 | Radit | where does wget store default files? |
| 20:34.09 | abrotman | $CWD |
| 20:34.13 | humbolt | enouf: what do I have boot partitions for? You can't boot into a LVM root partition from grub anyways. Neither with the one nor the other setup. |
| 20:34.16 | valdyn | or $PWD |
| 20:34.27 | jhb | markybob, because DSA-1576-1 makes it sound like there would be something.... Anyhow, don't wan't to annoy |
| 20:34.34 | kshah | valdyn: I tried restarting sysklogd but it didn't fix my problem, which is getting any logging output from starting/stopping bind |
| 20:34.45 | humbolt | enouf: Say hello to the magic of initrd |
| 20:34.56 | valdyn | kshah: maybe you changed permissions on the log file? |
| 20:34.57 | jelly-home | Zesturian: [jelly@lists lots]$ ls -l|wc -l \n 33002 ... on an i386 RHEL4 machine with ext3. |
| 20:35.09 | itomato | kshah - bind doesn't necessarily log to syslog |
| 20:35.17 | enouf | humbolt: my sincere apologies, but i think we're having two separate convos here - i am aware of the need of an initrd to boot anLVM / |
| 20:35.21 | kshah | itomato: then where? |
| 20:35.22 | valdyn | kshah: maybe you can see output in the other log files? ( /var/log/messages ) |
| 20:35.27 | kshah | valdyn: i'll check |
| 20:35.46 | enouf | humbolt: i need to go .. bbl |
| 20:35.59 | enouf | humbolt: hope you sort it all out |
| 20:36.40 | valdyn | humbolt: much better than those people making jbos with lvm, which seems to be common ;) |
| 20:36.52 | valdyn | humbolt: s/jbos/jbods/ |
| 20:37.41 | humbolt | valdyn: what are jbods? |
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| 20:37.50 | valdyn | !jbod |
| 20:37.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, jbod is "Just a Bunch Of Disks" an acronym used for several independent SCSI Disks (as opposed to RAID) or RAID Level 7 |
| 20:37.53 | humbolt | valdyn: and what is much better? |
| 20:38.08 | ak5_ | valdyn, is there an interactive apt simulator or something where I can check deps as a webapp? That'd be so cool ^_^ |
| 20:38.14 | valdyn | humbolt: a single raid beneath lvm |
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| 20:38.48 | valdyn | ak5_: no idea |
| 20:38.52 | jhb | markybob, finally saw the priv msg by dpkg. Thanks a lot, great help! |
| 20:38.58 | simonrvn | ak5_: -s |
| 20:39.02 | markybob | jhb, np |
| 20:39.03 | humbolt | valdyn: So not so weird a setup I have, thanks for your support. |
| 20:39.12 | ak5_ | simonrvn, pls explain :D |
| 20:39.14 | kshah | valdyn: the permissions are identical as working log files, i don't think that is the problem |
| 20:39.15 | valdyn | humbolt: its perfectly fine |
| 20:39.21 | simonrvn | --simulate |
| 20:39.26 | humbolt | valdyn: Well, not quite. |
| 20:39.31 | valdyn | humbolt: i would only use like 10 raids where you use 1 |
| 20:39.41 | kshah | itomato: I checked /var/log/messages, there are no references to BIND there, where else were you implying does BIND get logged to? |
| 20:39.41 | valdyn | humbolt: but thats really not that much better |
| 20:39.43 | humbolt | valdyn: The one partition does not come up. |
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| 20:40.11 | itomato | i was stating that it's not guaranteed that it logs to syslog - nothing more. |
| 20:40.23 | humbolt | valdyn: Have to less disks for raid10 to make sense. |
| 20:40.23 | kshah | k |
| 20:40.30 | itomato | start it with strace |
| 20:40.31 | ak5_ | simonrvn, ah sry, I don;t have intarwebz on this box : |
| 20:40.38 | valdyn | humbolt: no, not like that |
| 20:40.45 | simonrvn | not my problem ;) |
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| 20:40.59 | humbolt | valdyn: Do you have any idea what could be wrong with my partition layout? |
| 20:41.07 | valdyn | humbolt: see, if you have an unclean shutdown, you have to resynchronise the whole raid spanning the whole disk ( or however large it is ) |
| 20:41.08 | humbolt | valdyn: Why is cfdisk complaining? |
| 20:41.26 | humbolt | Just because the partition numbers are not in order? |
| 20:41.26 | valdyn | humbolt: if you split that up into 10 raids, thats 1/10th resync if you are lucky |
| 20:41.33 | valdyn | humbolt: but thats not your issue.. |
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| 20:41.50 | valdyn | humbolt: i havent seen the log where it complains, did you paste that? |
| 20:41.56 | humbolt | valdyn: Ah, nice twist! |
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| 20:43.18 | msshams | can i use prefork MPM and worker MPM together in apache2? |
| 20:43.21 | thehurley | if i was going to tunnel my web/mail traffic through a debian machine, can anyone recommend an package that will perform anti-virus scannig on the traffic? |
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| 20:44.36 | fugit | kshah: grep -l /var/log/* ; you could also look at /etc/bind/named.conf.local if somone set seperate loging. |
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| 20:45.22 | valdyn | msshams: no |
| 20:45.25 | humbolt | valdyn: OK, got a whole lot more info in here now: http://pastebin.org/36435 |
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| 20:47.54 | valdyn | humbolt: looks to me like cfdisk is just broken |
| 20:48.05 | humbolt | valdyn: I should not have a problem with raid superblocks when changing partition names with sfdisk (switching sda5 and sda6 so they are in order) |
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| 20:48.21 | humbolt | valdyn: sfdisk and fdisk don't complain |
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| 20:48.52 | valdyn | humbolt: you already are basically running this raid off just one disk so |
| 20:48.54 | humbolt | valdyn: but still /dev/sda6 which is part of md0 does not come online |
| 20:49.00 | valdyn | humbolt: resyncing isnt a problem |
| 20:49.18 | humbolt | valdyn: Yes, I am working from that raid right now! |
| 20:49.21 | valdyn | humbolt: so even if md got confused by new partition numbering you could add that partition |
| 20:49.33 | valdyn | humbolt: though i dont think it would get confused... |
| 20:49.58 | humbolt | valdyn: The partition numbers are not actually stored anywhere, right. Certainly not in the superblock. |
| 20:50.07 | valdyn | humbolt: as long as mdadm.conf is set to scan the new partition too |
| 20:50.20 | msshams | valdyn: but when i install apache2 those modules are called in apache2.conf!! |
| 20:50.25 | msshams | valdyn: why |
| 20:50.31 | humbolt | valdyn: There is only the raid id which the partition belongs to in its superblock |
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| 20:50.41 | RuyalarPrensi | !turk |
| 20:50.41 | dpkg | it has been said that turk is #debian.tr |
| 20:50.44 | humbolt | anyhow, I will just give it a try |
| 20:50.45 | valdyn | humbolt: i dont know how exactly partition table looks, but i guess its just a list, and the place in list determines partition "number" |
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| 20:51.21 | humbolt | valdyn: Not sure |
| 20:51.25 | JyZyXEL | valdyn its a 64 bit table |
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| 20:51.36 | jhb | markybob, I have openssh-client 1:4.3p2-9 now on the system, but still no ssh-vulnkey. Do I really have to compile myself? |
| 20:51.48 | JyZyXEL | valdyn its at the MBR |
| 20:51.58 | humbolt | valdyn: As said, I'll give it a try. Not much lost anyways, as this is a fresh install. Just some time gone. |
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| 20:52.08 | JyZyXEL | with bit offset of 446 |
| 20:52.27 | humbolt | valdyn: Thanks. Hopefully I can report success in a while. |
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| 20:52.35 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: and whats stored in those 64bits ? |
| 20:52.39 | JyZyXEL | 4 16-bit entrys |
| 20:52.55 | JyZyXEL | the table of primary partitions |
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| 20:54.28 | JyZyXEL | those entrys have CHS entrys for the Start and End of the partition |
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| 20:54.41 | ricosecada | What am I doing wrong with this command? /usr/bin/mysqldump -u[username] -p[password] --all-databases | tar czvf > /var/backup/mysql-backup-$date.tar.gz |
| 20:54.42 | poseidon | Would it be easier to completely install lenny from a cd, or is there an easy way to upgrade from etch? |
| 20:54.46 | JyZyXEL | there also LBA of first sector of the partition |
| 20:54.53 | JyZyXEL | and the length of the partition in sectors |
| 20:55.19 | Telamon | I'm a bit of a debian newbie, and I have a question about sources.list I need to upgrade my kernel to at least 2.6.25, so I believe I need to set some sort of lenny/testing source. Where do I find the URL for a site with recent amd64 kernel packages? |
| 20:55.46 | valdyn | Telamon: why would you need that kernel? |
| 20:56.20 | valdyn | Telamon: testing is at 2.6.24 |
| 20:56.54 | JyZyXEL | holy shit valdyn sorry i ment to say bytes o.o |
| 20:56.57 | Telamon | valdyn: I'm using iSCSI, and the 2.6.18 implementation crashes when I mount a target. Also, I tried just 2.6.24, but it doesn't have the driver for my network card (non-free driver firmware) Googling says it's available in .25 and later. I just can't *find* .25 or later. |
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| 20:57.22 | valdyn | Telamon: the latest is 2.6.25, and that is only in sid |
| 20:58.34 | Telamon | Okay, so if I add a sid repository to my sources.list I'll be able to grab the package? Is there a way to say "only use this source sometimes", or for just specific packages? Other than commenting it out between uses. |
| 20:58.38 | fugit | poseidon: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
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| 20:58.50 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 20:58.51 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 20:58.55 | valdyn | Telamon: ^^^ |
| 20:59.49 | jaggz- | what version of bugzilla is in your distros? they're at v3 but etch only shows 2.2 |
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| 21:00.03 | valdyn | !etch |
| 21:00.03 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 21:00.12 | valdyn | jaggz-: look at the release date |
| 21:00.14 | jaggz- | I can see that online I think |
| 21:00.19 | jaggz- | valdyn, k |
| 21:00.33 | Telamon | valdyn: Perfect, thanks. :) |
| 21:01.12 | jaggz- | 3.0 in jan |
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| 21:01.28 | valdyn | jaggz-: and dpkg told you the release date of etch above |
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| 21:02.29 | valdyn | jaggz-: hmm, even in sid its at 2.22 |
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| 21:03.02 | chops | Telamon: Another alternative (which is what I've been doing here) is to move the iscsi drivers out of the way with dpkg-divert and compile the out-of-tree modules |
| 21:03.08 | chops | Telamon: Sufficiently recent open-iscsi tarballs should have instructions in the README |
| 21:03.37 | chops | Telamon: That way you still get kernel security updates, etc. |
| 21:04.00 | Telamon | chops: Hmm, cool. What kernel are you running? 2.6.18, or 2.6.24? |
| 21:04.05 | chops | Telamon: 2.6.18 |
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| 21:04.32 | chops | Telamon: 2.6.25-rc2 also worked fine for me (that was what was available when I set this up), but I decided I'd rather have the etch kernel |
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| 21:04.53 | Telamon | chops: Cool. Where did you get 2.6.25? From sid? |
| 21:05.10 | chops | Telamon: I just compiled it from a vanilla kernel tarball using make-kpkg |
| 21:05.26 | chops | Telamon: Nowadays I would try to get it from sid or backports or something |
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| 21:07.09 | humbolt | valdyn: All right! Changed the partition names and re-added the partition. |
| 21:08.11 | poseidon | I did aptitude update, and it is stuck on 99% changed my sources to lenny so that I could do aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:09.21 | poseidon | It says "99% [13 Packages gzip 0]" |
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| 21:10.29 | poseidon | What should I do? |
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| 21:12.19 | jaggz- | oh, I see. Right, of course. I was hoping for a .. backport I believe? |
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| 21:13.52 | jaggz- | well -- they don't go past 2.22 even in sid.. |
| 21:14.16 | Stwange | just out of curiousity, who found out about the openssl issue? Was it a developer or was it exploited or what? |
| 21:14.30 | ak5 | sry for this noob question: I just installed debian with xfce for a single user - and I want him to be able to shutdown the system (without root access) is chmoding the halt command the way to go? |
| 21:14.47 | jaggz- | good question, Stwange |
| 21:14.56 | enouf | ak5: install sudo |
| 21:14.57 | jaggz- | probably found online though? is it in the wiki? |
| 21:15.06 | loca|host | anyone know how to get Java JRE, JDK or SDK running on ia64 architecture ? |
| 21:15.15 | chops | loca|host: Surely you mean amd64 |
| 21:15.31 | loca|host | it's intel 64 |
| 21:15.34 | loca|host | itanium2 |
| 21:15.36 | enouf | ak5: add that user (edit /etc/sudoers with visudo) to allow the command to be run |
| 21:15.41 | ak5 | enouf, I just want him to be able to do it through the gui - that's all. Isn't that - overkill? |
| 21:15.44 | loca|host | kernel = 2.6.18-6-mckinley |
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| 21:16.36 | enouf | ak5: maybe the GUI control center allows that option in config .. like kde does, but whatever - no , it's not overkill |
| 21:16.37 | Stwange | jaggz-, it says Luciano Bello. I'll dig deeper and see if I can find who that is |
| 21:16.38 | enouf | IMHO |
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| 21:17.23 | ak5 | enouf, thing is even with sudo - would that allow him to shutdown the computer with a single click on the "off" symbol? I wouldn't think so |
| 21:17.25 | enouf | ak5: suppose the GUI crashes, he can't shutdown/reboot without privs |
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| 21:17.59 | ak5 | enouf, heh, this is a complete noob, if the gui crashes he'll hit the reset button |
| 21:18.19 | enouf | you want some sort of Kiosk? |
| 21:18.43 | ak5 | enouf, I just want him to simply be able to shutdown the system with the button in xfce - not just logout :/ |
| 21:19.01 | Stwange | I do that ak5; if the GUI freezes and CTRL+ALT+F# isn't working I just power off, I can never remember the ctrl + sysrq or whatever it is, and can't look it up when it happens. The funny thing is, the more I do that the more it happens :P |
| 21:19.11 | cal | ak5: holding the button down long enough causes the hardware to shut itself down |
| 21:19.16 | enouf | ak5: dunno about xfce - seee docs , see #xfce4, or whatever |
| 21:19.32 | enouf | do /cs list #*xfce* |
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| 21:19.40 | ak5 | cal, I know :) but I want to be able to use the button :/ |
| 21:19.44 | ak5 | enouf, ok thx |
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| 21:19.58 | LemensTS | Can you boot with knoppix, and convert a harddrive into a VMWare image? |
| 21:20.03 | cal | ak5: i see |
| 21:20.08 | LemensTS | I assume the DD command can do this? |
| 21:21.08 | Cyan | anyone knows where i can get apturl for debian?it doesn't exist on debian packages site |
| 21:21.16 | enouf | Stwange: if sysrq is enabled - remember S U B .. easy - but most times, getting a Console is enough just allow you to type in the shutdown commands |
| 21:21.51 | enouf | apturl? |
| 21:21.53 | Stwange | enouf, I always try the console first but it doesn't usually work if the GUI has crashed, is it ctrl + sysrq + S etc.? |
| 21:22.00 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 21:22.00 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 21:22.19 | enouf | Stwange: no, alt+sysrq |
| 21:22.22 | Cyan | cheers |
| 21:22.29 | enouf | Stwange: /msg dpkg sysrq |
| 21:22.35 | Stwange | thanks enouf |
| 21:22.40 | enouf | np |
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| 21:23.24 | abrotman | LemensTS: probably ask #vmware |
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| 21:24.24 | kshah | i'm having some major problems, bind isn't outputting any errors to my log, so I've tried to run it in the foreground, but I can't pass the -g option directly since its wrapped by start-stop-daemon |
| 21:24.26 | kshah | any ideas? |
| 21:24.54 | jaggz- | Stwange: k |
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| 21:27.07 | foom | is there a script which will download the source packages (of the right version) for every package I have installed? |
| 21:28.29 | abrotman | you could write your own |
| 21:28.34 | abrotman | !source |
| 21:28.35 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 21:28.51 | foom | of course, but if there's already a command that does that, I wouldn't have to. :) |
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| 21:30.03 | linkslice | if you are running etch with apache-ssl do I need to recreate the CSR and get it resigned? |
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| 21:30.33 | haxi | conky is sticking on my desktop |
| 21:30.35 | haxi | :/ |
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| 21:31.02 | Bushmills | foom: that's a one liner ... just a command to be entered. |
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| 21:35.22 | ismael_ | Hello. Is there any program that generates and plays a sine wave? Extra points if it's easy to use and in real time |
| 21:36.31 | enouf | aplay |
| 21:36.38 | enouf | erm speaker-test |
| 21:36.56 | enouf | speaker-test -tsine -f440 |
| 21:37.34 | zinx | xmms can :/ |
| 21:37.49 | ismael_ | enouf: where's speaker-test? |
| 21:37.58 | ismael_ | enouf: oh, a command in aplay? |
| 21:37.59 | enouf | ismael_: alsa-utils? |
| 21:38.01 | zinx | play the location 'tone://440' for example |
| 21:38.17 | enouf | ~$ dlocate speaker-test |
| 21:38.18 | enouf | alsa-utils: /usr/share/man/man1/speaker-test.1.gz |
| 21:38.50 | zinx | (also does multiple frequencies, as in tone://300;440 |
| 21:38.57 | enouf | zinx: nice, seems like mplayer should be able to as well |
| 21:39.08 | enouf | zinx: oh .. chords? :-) |
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| 21:39.13 | zinx | i know nothing of mplayer |
| 21:39.19 | enouf | bah |
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| 21:40.57 | enouf | i bet xine would too - but i wonder about the 'beep' program :-p |
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| 21:42.04 | zinx | are you just assuming these programs would do it? |
| 21:42.12 | zinx | because that's a pretty silly assumption |
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| 21:42.59 | zinx | as simple as it is, it does have to be a specificly coded feature |
| 21:43.22 | enouf | haha @ ~$ xmms2 play tone://440 <== starts playing some Dance music .. ahh then fades ;-) |
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| 21:43.51 | enouf | let's see what ~/.cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log has to say about that now ;-) |
| 21:43.55 | zinx | probably crossfading or something, i also don't know about xmms2 |
| 21:44.26 | enouf | cool - heh INFO: ../src/xmms/xform.c:1295: Successfully setup chain for 'file:///usr/share/xmms2/mind.in.a.box-lament_sni |
| 21:44.26 | enouf | pplet.ogg' (1) containing file:magic:vorbi |
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| 21:45.21 | ismael_ | zinx: I couldn't get xmms2 to play that |
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| 21:45.28 | zinx | ismael_: i said xmms :/ |
| 21:45.46 | zinx | that old gtk1 app :P |
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| 21:46.16 | ismael_ | zinx: xmms is no longer on debian repos |
| 21:46.36 | zinx | !info xmms sid |
| 21:46.41 | adama | when I click a link in e.g. Gaim or IRC my browser (Iceape) opens to my home page, not the link. What's up? |
| 21:46.44 | zinx | !info xmms etch |
| 21:46.47 | runa | hi can sb tell me why "mkfifo rimouvi ;mimms url rimuovi" does not work? |
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| 21:47.08 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2108 kB, Installed size: 6268 kB |
| 21:47.29 | ismael_ | zinx: not in lenny nor sid |
| 21:47.37 | zinx | ismael_: interesting |
| 21:47.45 | zinx | the one in etch is also old (no surprise there) |
| 21:48.03 | zinx | ismael_: sucks for debian i guess :x |
| 21:48.35 | zinx | ismael_: i made a command-line app that lets you mathematically define a tone, but it's not exactly easy to use, and i'm pretty sure i left some silly bugs in it |
| 21:49.48 | wd | do i need a mta on my system, took off exim for postfix, played with it, i'm done, so i removed it. i was told i need a mta for system log's or messages? |
| 21:49.49 | ismael_ | zinx: I only need to play a sine at various freqs (possibly from 200Hz to 2KHz in small steps) and a gaussian wave |
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| 21:50.26 | crashanddie | Hey guys, about the SSH key stuff |
| 21:51.09 | ismael_ | zinx: does your app play "infinite" tones? (ie: speaker-tone has gaps every few seconds, from what i can hear) |
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| 21:51.45 | crashanddie | My key is basically toast (compromised), is there any way to remove it from the keyservers ? |
| 21:51.53 | zinx | ismael_: yeah, but it's really not easy to use :P i'll upload it |
| 21:52.11 | wd | do i need a mta on my system, took off exim for postfix, played with it, i'm done, so i removed it. i was told i need a mta for system log's or messages? |
| 21:52.18 | jim | Hi, trying to play with xen under etch with kernel 2.6.18 and xen 3.1 or 3.2; I found waldi's kernel repo but the hypervisors aren't anywhere on there that I can see... where are they? is xen 3.2 working with 2.6.18? |
| 21:53.24 | zinx | ismael_: http://zenthought.org/content/file/tonegen-20031220 |
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| 21:53.40 | ismael_ | zinx: cool, thanks |
| 21:53.50 | jim | wd: some daemons and other software that may or may not be installed (at and cron among those) like to send email; if an mta is not configured, it can't work the way it was envisioned |
| 21:54.26 | zinx | ismael_: takes -r rate (sample rate), -d seconds (duration), and the formula, like sine(440)*saw(220) |
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| 21:54.54 | wd | jim: i won't sending email with this very very old laptop but i understand if i need it for cron daemons. |
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| 21:55.11 | wd | jim: i'll get exim back and let it sit. |
| 21:55.14 | jim | wd: cron likes to send mail... |
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| 21:55.35 | wd | jim: send mail as in logs |
| 21:55.49 | jim | if you'll never send mail or receive mail, there are pretend-to-be mtas which are much lighter |
| 21:56.18 | wd | jim: now we're talking. :) |
| 21:56.18 | jim | they will make sure you get mail sent from the laptop to the laptop |
| 21:56.38 | jim | and I don't remember the names of them... |
| 21:56.48 | wd | jim: oh :( |
| 21:56.51 | wd | lol |
| 21:57.32 | jelly-home | ssmtp |
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| 21:57.47 | jim | but they're not at all hard to find... look at packages.debian.org, look at the lists of packages, look in the mail section |
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| 21:59.22 | wd | jim: jelly-home mentions ssmtp.. maybe that's lite. i won't never send or receive email from this pathetic lap.. but if i need a mta for cron jobs and system messages then maybe i should get the one that came with sarge (exim). |
| 22:00.00 | jelly-home | wd oh, if you want local mail to be delivered, exim4-daemon-light will work |
| 22:00.22 | jim | what does ssmtp do instead? |
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| 22:00.33 | wd | jelly-home: yeah i remember that name when i postfix was removing it. ok. |
| 22:00.34 | jelly-home | only sends to a smarthost |
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| 22:00.49 | jim | ahh, but is not a smarthost itself |
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| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | jim: ssmtp does no local delivery at all |
| 22:01.14 | wd | jelly-home: i dont think i even need a local mail. do i? |
| 22:01.15 | jim | hmm, good to know |
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| 22:01.36 | jelly-home | wd: you want someone to read root's mail every now and then, yes. |
| 22:02.05 | jim | wd: well... need is a strong word, and one that needs defining, in the combination of yours and the cron/log's needs |
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| 22:02.29 | enouf | heh, $ speaker-test -tsine -f440 -p1k -P5 would pulse ~ every 3 secs, the stop (-P Periods) but once i opened up alsamixer and just moved the PCM slider - it just keeps looping now forever till i kill it O_o |
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| 22:13.14 | rascal999 | any graphics drivers available for debian? |
| 22:14.02 | enouf | xserver-xorg-video-all might have a few :-P |
| 22:14.36 | jim | rascal999: what exactly do you want, completely and concisely, and informatively? |
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| 22:14.55 | flixil | Good night |
| 22:15.02 | ustunozgur | when I do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" it doesn't ask me which resolutions I would like to use. It used to ask. Any ideas why? |
| 22:15.02 | rascal999 | all I wanna be able to do is change the brightness of my screen heh |
| 22:15.08 | rascal999 | I have a hp tablet |
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| 22:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, turn the little wheel :-P |
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| 22:15.38 | crashanddie | How would I go about revoking my RSA/DSA key pair ? |
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| 22:15.45 | flixil | ustunozgur: try changing the priority (-p) |
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| 22:16.21 | ustunozgur | ok thanks |
| 22:16.39 | Bushmills | ustunozgur: the top lines of xorg.conf tell you why |
| 22:16.44 | enouf | jim: as fas as xen, get info from the horse's mouth .. ISTR a serious issue with Xen ~ the time Etch was released - I recall people also coming in and complaing "well <insert distro> has it" |
| 22:17.13 | cuse | Hi! Whenever I try to run an executable file from my mounted FAT partition I get a "permission denied", even as root and even though 'ls -l' tells rwx for owner and group. Can anybody enlighten me? |
| 22:17.26 | rascal999 | jim: are there any available or? |
| 22:17.30 | amphi | rascal999: you have anything under /sys/class/backlight ? |
| 22:18.08 | rascal999 | amphi: no |
| 22:18.12 | rascal999 | only bluetooth |
| 22:18.34 | jim | rascal999: so far you haven't said what driver you're using currently... so from that, I have no idea.... and you've also said nothing about which video chipset you have... so, from that I have no idea as well... in short:l |
| 22:18.37 | enouf | cuse: something wine related? |
| 22:18.37 | jim | I have no idea! |
| 22:18.46 | rascal999 | lol |
| 22:18.49 | rascal999 | ok hold on |
| 22:18.56 | rascal999 | how do I find out the video chipset? |
| 22:19.03 | cuse | enouf: no nothing, im talking about native linux binaries and scripts |
| 22:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | crashanddie: you just delete them and make new ones? |
| 22:19.30 | crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat, no, not really, nevermind, I found it |
| 22:19.31 | flixil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.35 | jim | see if lspci shows it, maybe filter string VGA |
| 22:20.02 | cuse | flixil: my umask in fstab is umask=007 |
| 22:20.06 | enouf | umask, dmask, fmask - tru mounting with uid=1000,gid=1000 also or similar |
| 22:20.16 | rascal999 | VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] |
| 22:20.24 | enouf | !vfatrw |
| 22:20.24 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 22:21.02 | markybob | rascal999, http://brightlcd.blogspot.com/2007/10/god-said-videoko-and-lcd-was-bright.html |
| 22:21.17 | enouf | cuse: fat doesn't have nor use ANY concept of rwx |
| 22:21.54 | Phase | Whats the equiv. command to Windows ipconfig /flushdns? |
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| 22:22.06 | cuse | enouf: yeah i know, but ls tells me rwx, so when launching an app from the partition the OS should obey that permission, right? |
| 22:22.12 | enouf | cuse: likewise , there are no owners, nor groups |
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| 22:22.46 | flixil | When i modprobe ndiswrapper it doesn't create a eth1 or wlan0 device... ndiswrapper -l tells i got the hardware present and all ok... what can be the problem? |
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| 22:23.17 | markybob | flixil, you probably have another module that's blocking it. ndiswrapper -l reports it. read it carefully |
| 22:23.20 | enouf | if there were, you could chown/chmod and you can't with Fat |
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| 22:23.35 | enouf | it's all about mount options |
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| 22:25.04 | Legality | Good evening ladies |
| 22:25.05 | cuse | enouf: ha..... using the "default" parameter in fstab did the trick :) |
| 22:25.13 | cuse | enouf: thanks ! |
| 22:25.21 | enouf | np |
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| 22:26.25 | Legality | I would like to clarify just one thingy,,, AFAIK load averages are based on a one cpu system. What if there is 2 cpus, what does load average of 2 mean on a 2cpu box compared to 1 cpu box? |
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| 22:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Legality: it means that on average two programs are ready to run. |
| 22:27.02 | enouf | 200% :-P |
| 22:27.10 | dondelelcaro | Legality: load average isn't a particularly useful measurement of machine load, though; you should pretty much ignore it. |
| 22:27.12 | Legality | enouf: is that 200% for 1 cpu box? |
| 22:27.22 | enouf | DualCore , yes |
| 22:27.28 | enouf | IINM |
| 22:27.34 | Legality | hmm? |
| 22:27.40 | Legality | IINM? |
| 22:27.44 | enouf | if i'm not mistaken |
| 22:27.52 | Legality | really |
| 22:28.00 | dondelelcaro | !load average |
| 22:28.00 | dpkg | methinks load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. it's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, eg: I/O, network socket responses. |
| 22:28.02 | enouf | 400% for quad-core |
| 22:28.03 | dondelelcaro | Legality: see above. |
| 22:28.23 | grand_grunt2 | Is there a better way to install a Epson scanner, than using Avasys (fucking proprietary) "iscan"? |
| 22:28.26 | Legality | enouf: no, the load average is not like that |
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| 22:28.41 | Legality | AFAIK it's seen as load average on 1 cpu box |
| 22:28.48 | enouf | Legality: yes, you are correct, i'm referring to something else |
| 22:29.04 | Legality | AFAIK 2 cpu box with load average of 1.5 is the same a 1 cpu box with load average of 0.75 |
| 22:29.09 | enouf | (top and CPU usage, etc) |
| 22:29.15 | dondelelcaro | Legality: no, it isn't. |
| 22:29.19 | Legality | no? |
| 22:29.25 | dondelelcaro | Legality: load average isn't comparable like that. |
| 22:29.34 | Legality | darny |
| 22:29.49 | dondelelcaro | Legality: read what dpkg said above, and it will become clear. Load average doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the number of CPUs present or the utilization of those CPUs. |
| 22:30.01 | jim | load average unit is num processes / time? |
| 22:30.13 | rascal999 | markybob: I followed the info, I got to the brightness stage, in cat'ting it said not supported |
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| 22:30.19 | dondelelcaro | jim: no, it's just number of processes. |
| 22:30.24 | Legality | no |
| 22:30.29 | Legality | wait a sec |
| 22:30.31 | enouf | heh, he uses afaik, but doesn't know what iinm is O_o |
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| 22:30.49 | jim | I didn't either until 10 secs ago |
| 22:30.54 | Legality | enouf: I guess you mean what iinm stands for? |
| 22:30.56 | enouf | grah |
| 22:31.02 | Legality | baubaub |
| 22:31.03 | dondelelcaro | jim: the reason why is because it's sum(n_processes*time_delta)/total_time |
| 22:31.17 | grand_grunt2 | I assume the answer is "no" ^^ |
| 22:31.19 | jim | so time cancels |
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| 22:31.34 | flixil | When i modprobe ndiswrapper it doesn't create a eth1 or wlan0 device... ndiswrapper -l tells i got the hardware present and all ok... what can be the problem? |
| 22:31.35 | dondelelcaro | jim: yes, as it does in any infitesimal averaging |
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| 22:32.55 | Legality | another thing to be clarified. Is it more efficient to manage a debian box with your pants on rather than off? |
| 22:33.57 | Legality | dondelelcaro: and check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_average |
| 22:33.57 | Legality | "For single-CPU systems that are CPU-bound, one can think of load average as a percentage of system utilization during the respective time period. For systems with multiple CPUs, the number needs to be divided by the number of processors in order to get a percentage." |
| 22:33.57 | jim | Legality: all depends... if your SO is in the bed, then off... |
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| 22:34.01 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 22:34.14 | dondelelcaro | Legality: that's what load average sometimes approximates, but it's not what it's actually measuring. |
| 22:34.15 | Gorbulas | is there a way to make aptitude tell me why a package has been kept back? |
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| 22:34.37 | flixil | Gorbulas: aptitude why package (i guess) |
| 22:34.47 | Legality | jim: I don't know what you mean by "my SO" |
| 22:34.57 | dondelelcaro | Legality: there is a large assumption at the beggining "cpu-bound" which very rarely holds. |
| 22:35.07 | Gorbulas | my aptitude doesn't understand the why command |
| 22:35.17 | Gorbulas | this is Debian stable |
| 22:35.31 | jim | Legality: sorry to hear that... in that case and for you, the most efficient is with pants on |
| 22:35.36 | flixil | Gorbulas: in testing there is why... i don't know how to do that in stable, sorry |
| 22:35.38 | Legality | :( |
| 22:36.22 | Gorbulas | in testing aptitude doesn't keep back packages for no apparent reason either |
| 22:36.33 | jim | significant other, like girl friend or boy friend |
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| 22:36.42 | dondelelcaro | Gorbulas: if you want to know why they're kept back, use aptitude install foopkg; |
| 22:36.52 | dondelelcaro | Gorbulas: or use the curses interface to see what is going on |
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| 22:37.39 | Gorbulas | the kernel package wouldn't update itself because updating would install 2.6.18-6? |
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| 22:37.55 | jim | Legality: are you familiar with the jargon file? while I don't really like jargon myself (it tends to get in the way of real communication), it's sometimes used |
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| 22:39.47 | Legality | jargon *file*? |
| 22:40.05 | jim | so, no... one sec, I'll get you a link. |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | !jargon |
| 22:40.06 | dpkg | somebody said jargon was at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon or apt-get install jargon |
| 22:40.18 | Legality | haha |
| 22:40.30 | abrotman | or you can wait for jim |
| 22:40.32 | Legality | jargon is a software? |
| 22:40.35 | Legality | buhaha |
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| 22:40.44 | jim | go look and see :) |
| 22:40.45 | Gorbulas | eww aptitude wouldn't upgrade ssh because ssh now requires the new blacklist package |
| 22:40.46 | Legality | damn this world has too many explinations for same worlds |
| 22:41.06 | Gorbulas | is it supposed to keep stuff back when upgrading requires installing something new? |
| 22:41.07 | flixil | why always pple click first on "sexual habits" in jargon? |
| 22:41.27 | Legality | huh? |
| 22:41.35 | Legality | I'm falling off the tracks |
| 22:42.43 | jim | Legality, but it's at worst convenient that a lot of terms are brought together for the purpose of improving communication in tech subculture |
| 22:43.00 | Legality | true |
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| 22:43.31 | jim | most people were using iirc before (if I recall correctly) |
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| 22:44.16 | jim | iinm is short for "goddammit, of COURSE I recall correctly!! but I could be mistaken..." |
| 22:44.40 | flixil | I don't wanna repetat myself too much :) Does anyone know anything about it, or does i don't ask an intelligent question or I doesn't give information enough? |
| 22:44.46 | flixil | When i modprobe ndiswrapper it doesn't create a eth1 or wlan0 device... ndiswrapper -l tells i got the hardware present and all ok... what can be the problem? Thanks :) |
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| 22:45.10 | Legality | flixil: "or does i don't ask an ... " ? |
| 22:45.19 | Legality | repetat? |
| 22:45.22 | Gorbulas | flixil: I'd be interested to know too since I know somebody with the same problem |
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| 22:45.38 | Legality | oh, you didn't mean it |
| 22:45.39 | Legality | sorry |
| 22:45.41 | jim | flixil try ifconfig -a before and after doing the modprobe, any difference? |
| 22:46.02 | Legality | flixil: never try to debug anything at #debian when it's night time in europe |
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| 22:46.34 | Gorbulas | a broadcom card that shows up in lspci as an unknown network device? no helpful mentions in dmesg when loading b43 or ndiswrapper? |
| 22:46.38 | jim | Legality: sounds serious... why would that be? |
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| 22:47.27 | flixil | ifconfig -a doesn't show it, thats the problem :) |
| 22:47.41 | abrotman | Gorbulas: update-pciids |
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| 22:48.27 | Gorbulas | I'm not at the computer |
| 22:48.29 | flixil | Legality: I try to debug something when i found the problem :P |
| 22:48.30 | jim | flixil: so the question I asked was... is there a difference in the output of ifconfig -a, when the module is not loaded and when it is? |
| 22:48.38 | flixil | jim no difference |
| 22:49.08 | jim | ok, I wonder if ndiswrapper needs to know where the driver is |
| 22:49.16 | flixil | but it worked 2 days ago somehow... if i recalled correctly i just modified /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:49.36 | flixil | to use the new b43 driver (replacement of bcm43xx) for the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 22:49.57 | flixil | but then i removed the file and it just filled automagically when i modprobed b43 and bcm43xx... |
| 22:50.18 | flixil | it was incorrect the first time and b43 created wlan0_rename instead of wlan0 |
| 22:50.33 | flixil | Do you think that can udev be the problem? |
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| 22:51.02 | flixil | jim: i did ndiswrapper -m to add the alias wlan0 of the driver to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper |
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| 22:51.45 | jim | who can help with ndiswrapper... I'm out of ideas |
| 22:52.42 | flixil | my wifi card is bcm4318 if that's of some use |
| 22:53.11 | jim | flixil what is the full path to the driver? |
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| 22:53.56 | abrotman | Gorbulas: do you have the pci id? |
| 22:54.01 | Gorbulas | no |
| 22:54.18 | Gorbulas | I only had a few minutes to mess with it |
| 22:54.27 | flixil | jim /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/ndiswrapper.ko |
| 22:54.32 | Gorbulas | my friend needed his computer back to work on his project |
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| 22:55.59 | abrotman | Gorbulas: kind of hard to help with no info |
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| 22:56.36 | Gorbulas | I'm not trying to fix it now, but I'm interested in how flixil's gets fixed |
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| 22:57.54 | abrotman | Gorbulas: which version of debian do you have? |
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| 22:58.36 | Gorbulas | my friend is running Ubuntu 8, but I'm running stable and testing on two different computers |
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| 23:01.25 | flixil | Well :) No ideas here to solve my problem... Maybe it's true and I'll have to come in day-europe-light :) |
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| 23:05.43 | basic` | how can I reinstall the default config files for a package? |
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| 23:05.52 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 23:05.52 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 23:06.14 | basic` | thanks |
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| 23:08.45 | vjoe | sorry for the offtopic, but do you know any good forum about game programming? |
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| 23:10.03 | flixil | vjoe: no idea, maybe ask in #c or #c++ they use to know about such things :) |
| 23:10.15 | vjoe | thanks |
| 23:10.24 | flixil | at least they are programmers :P |
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| 23:11.14 | agnitio | vjoe: what are you working on? |
| 23:11.36 | vjoe | what do you mean? |
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| 23:12.14 | agnitio | what kind of game? |
| 23:12.29 | vjoe | none, I would like to learn how to do them |
| 23:12.36 | vjoe | I know C and a bit of C++ and Python |
| 23:12.50 | vjoe | but I'm kinda stuck, I don't know what to do now :s |
| 23:13.09 | vjoe | I know that there are libraries and stuff, but I don't have any idea how they work |
| 23:13.17 | agnitio | well, I guess figuring out what kind of game you want to do might be a good start |
| 23:13.40 | agnitio | because that'll give you clues about all other things, 3d/2d, engines, libraries you'll need etc. |
| 23:13.52 | vjoe | I would like to start with the basics: Tetris |
| 23:14.02 | vjoe | then move to Pong as it requires physics |
| 23:14.09 | vjoe | after that, a 2D scroller |
| 23:14.14 | azeem | vjoe: discuss this elsewhere |
| 23:14.20 | flixil | hey... pong is easier to implement than tetris really |
| 23:14.21 | markybob | vjoe, google helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_design#References and #debian-offtopic |
| 23:15.18 | jim | flixil: so what about the specific driver for your card? |
| 23:16.11 | jim | pong is straight line constant velocity... there's not a lick of physics in that |
| 23:16.23 | abrotman | geometry! |
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| 23:16.38 | jim | that's before physics :) |
| 23:16.48 | azeem | jim: discuss this elsewhere |
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| 23:17.06 | w3rd_ | hey guys, i installed sugarcrm via my hosted server, im running debian and i was wandering how can i secure access to the db, for things like login verfications etc... any suggestions |
| 23:17.23 | flixil | jim: no luck with the privative windows driver for my card yet :) i'm using the free one... but it's less stable |
| 23:17.45 | jim | so you made progress? |
| 23:18.04 | flixil | no one |
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| 23:18.42 | flixil | I'll try again tomorrow looking at kernel logs or something like maybe... but my intution tells me that there is a udev problem |
| 23:18.43 | jim | not understanding your response |
| 23:19.02 | flixil | I've made no progress |
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| 23:19.19 | jim | ok, how is it you're using a driver now? |
| 23:19.43 | flixil | yes, i'm using b43 with the new kernel and bcm43xx with an old kernel |
| 23:20.10 | flixil | but ndiswrapper using the windows driver is much more stable and receives signal from a greater distance |
| 23:20.29 | flixil | my card is bcm4318 the family of cards less stable with the free driver... a pity :( |
| 23:21.00 | poseidon | Are upgrades downloaded automaticly with lenny? |
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| 23:21.10 | markybob | perfectly find here with 2.6.25.4. you need 2.6.25 for stability with that card |
| 23:21.14 | markybob | s/find/fine |
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| 23:21.27 | flixil | poseidon: upgrades? it depends of the package manager do you use |
| 23:21.35 | jim | poseidon: they can be I suppose... look into cron. but: this is -not- a good idea |
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| 23:22.08 | flixil | wait a moment... poseidon what do you undestand by downloaded automatically? |
| 23:22.44 | jim | markybob: you have the same card as flixil? |
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| 23:22.52 | markybob | yes |
| 23:23.24 | jim | out of idle curiousity... how long did it take to determine that :) |
| 23:23.51 | markybob | i wasnt following the discussion. just now saw his mention of the card |
| 23:23.59 | jim | ahh |
| 23:25.07 | jim | so, pretty much instantaneously |
| 23:25.55 | markybob | also, i'm not sure why he's asking in here instead of #bcm-users |
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| 23:28.32 | Lagbolt | ug bcm sucks :( |
| 23:28.58 | Lagbolt | wonder if i can open my laptop and remove that shit :) |
| 23:29.05 | Bravewolf | How can I reduce an encrypted partition? Here's my scheme: hda7 is manager by dmsetup -> hda7_crypt. hda7_crypt is formatted as ext2. I would like to reduce the partition at the beginning (e.g. start 0 end 2000 -> start 500 end 2000) |
| 23:29.48 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, dont think you can shrink it. most likely have to copy data off , shrink and copy data back |
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| 23:30.49 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, i think you can do it if you are using cryptsetup |
| 23:31.05 | Lagbolt | luks, otherwise it i think you are screwed |
| 23:31.06 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: i'm using cryptsetup |
| 23:31.09 | Lagbolt | oh ok |
| 23:31.12 | Lagbolt | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=726724 |
| 23:31.14 | Lagbolt | look there |
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| 23:32.30 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: I don't use lvm and so I don't know how can I resize the container of my partition |
| 23:33.16 | Lagbolt | should be in same page, just have to look for what you need. let me see |
| 23:34.05 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, looks like you just mount the file system, use resize2fs to reduce |
| 23:34.16 | Lagbolt | then skip lvreduce and pvresize |
| 23:34.27 | Lagbolt | go to cryptsetup and reduce the crypt |
| 23:34.35 | Lagbolt | then reduce partition size |
| 23:35.16 | Lagbolt | someone needs to add luks part size changing to gparted. that would be sweet. prob wouldnt be hard to do, it already does everything else |
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| 23:36.21 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: I will try. However it seems to be difficult... in parted i select /dev/dm-1 and then "resize 1 500M 2006M" but parted says "Error: file system has an incompatible feature enabled". |
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| 23:36.34 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: thanks for your replies |
| 23:36.54 | Lagbolt | dude, do not resize partition |
| 23:36.56 | Lagbolt | that goes last!! |
| 23:37.08 | Lagbolt | you have to shrink the file system and crypt first |
| 23:37.15 | Lagbolt | i could try to help but i give no money back guarentee |
| 23:37.24 | Lagbolt | and if your data is not backed up then you might lose it |
| 23:37.29 | LRU | I'm getting a network timeout on www.debian.org... is this just me? |
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| 23:37.34 | Lagbolt | actually i have another solution . . . |
| 23:37.41 | Lagbolt | do you have a usb disk around? |
| 23:37.53 | markybob | LRU, fine here |
| 23:37.59 | Lagbolt | we could encrypt it, put some data on it, resize it and see if it works :) |
| 23:38.27 | LRU | markybob - thanks, must be something on my end |
| 23:38.30 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: it's just a virtualbox test machine. I can loose data. It's just a test to verify if shrinking is possible |
| 23:38.35 | et_alia | !ping www.debian.org |
| 23:38.35 | dpkg | tolls a 5-meter-bell over www.debian.org's head |
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| 23:38.44 | Lagbolt | well then we can give it a go |
| 23:39.12 | Lagbolt | i am going to try it on a usb just for fun. |
| 23:39.32 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: I'm trying, too |
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| 23:39.41 | Lagbolt | what have you done so far? |
| 23:40.18 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: nothing... please wait ^__^ |
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| 23:40.31 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 23:40.39 | Lagbolt | i am around. just working so i will watch for comments |
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| 23:42.31 | Bravewolf | 1) FS resized with "resize2fs /dev/mapper/hda7_crypt 1500M". done |
| 23:43.52 | markybob | all this trouble really worth it for 1500M? you'd already be done if you had just copied the data |
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| 23:44.33 | Bravewolf | markybob: it's just a test on virtual machine, before using in real system :-) |
| 23:44.57 | markybob | ah |
| 23:45.28 | Bravewolf | markybob: I want only to understand if shrink is possible |
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| 23:49.41 | achandrashekar | hello. im looking for a little help with an ltsp project of mine..and have considered skolelinux which i believe is debian-edu. Anyhow..for three days now of waitng in the debian-edu channel havent gotten answers. Anyhow, Id like some questions answered about the default ip schema.. and how it can be changed. |
| 23:49.50 | achandrashekar | any one have knowledge of the product?? |
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| 23:51.19 | Ryan52 | achandrashekar: default ip schema? |
| 23:51.29 | Ryan52 | achandrashekar: what are you talking about |
| 23:52.03 | Ryan52 | achandrashekar: and in the event that nobody answers here, try the #ltsp channel cause they have all of the programmers of ltsp |
| 23:52.05 | itomato | achandrashekar - never used it. what schema? |
| 23:53.14 | itomato | I would suggest live-helper, and installing ltsp on top. |
| 23:53.25 | itomato | start from scratch. |
| 23:54.26 | achandrashekar | itomato: well.. the skolelinux setup (at least according to the guide) asks that the network setup be very specific and have some default ips be the same when beginning install. And the web interface will only listen on that ip |
| 23:54.42 | achandrashekar | and as a result a change in that schema..causes all kid of headaches. |
| 23:55.26 | achandrashekar | it might JUST be specific to the skole interpretation, errmm fork, or whatever and does something very very specific. |
| 23:56.05 | achandrashekar | on my first install..i did NOT use the default setup ips..and as a result..the interface, url, etc..didnt work at all properly. |
| 23:56.22 | Ryan52 | achandrashekar: this is a thing specific to skolelinux. |
| 23:57.00 | achandrashekar | agreed...and hence limiting - maybe just a fresh install of debian-edu and try again.. |
| 23:57.20 | achandrashekar | but i appreciate the answers so far.. |
| 23:57.36 | achandrashekar | thanks..for allowing questions about a "related" product. |
| 23:57.37 | achandrashekar | :) |
| 23:58.52 | itomato | achandrashekar - with the live-cd setup, you can always have the same IP, or assign via dhcp (which you can control at the server) |
| 23:59.02 | itomato | and boot from the network |
