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| 00:06.18 | AwesomeGuy | can I make it so I don't have to put in my password every time I get back from a screensaver |
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| 00:06.53 | jim | AwesomeGuy: there's screen savers, and there's the locking one |
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| 00:07.10 | jim | you must have chosen the locking one, reconfigure and change that |
| 00:07.19 | AwesomeGuy | I never configures it lol |
| 00:07.23 | linkslice | I've got a sarge system that I jsut tried to reboot and it hangs at a the grub prompt |
| 00:07.26 | AwesomeGuy | * configured it |
| 00:07.27 | AwesomeGuy | lol |
| 00:07.35 | jim | AwesomeGuy: well |
| 00:07.43 | jim | AwesomeGuy: look into it anyway |
| 00:08.16 | doublehp | which ftp client would you recommend for non interactive CLI use ? I want to replicate a local tree to FTP server (one way only); since rsync can not do it the easy way, I am gonna wite a Makefile to do it for me (with hidden files to deal with "what is up to date or not). Can you recommed an FTP client that will make this easily (only update old files), or something which will handle easily multiple files and folder ? |
| 00:10.09 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, how did it go? |
| 00:10.09 | cloakable | wget :P |
| 00:10.16 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, get the sector size ok? |
| 00:10.38 | cloakable | Actually, I think wget grabs only |
| 00:11.22 | AwesomeGuy | the hills have eyes.. |
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| 00:12.56 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: I'm trying to use gparted, because I cannot realize how can I shrink and move the partition to right using command line (leaving blank space at the beginning). It think that I should do this before using cryptsetup to reduce the container. Work is still in progress.... I will report the results upon available (soon, I hope). |
| 00:13.37 | itomato | AwesomeGuy - ther'es a checkbox in the 'settings' tab.. |
| 00:14.11 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, it is not so hard if you understand sector sizes and what not, convert all to sectors before you start |
| 00:14.20 | Lagbolt | then you can move with parted |
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| 00:15.49 | endeavormac | I have two harddrives and I would like to use them in a software Raid 0. If I partition my disks with LVM, can i go back later and add that device through LVM, have the data balanced between to, and get RAID 0 this way? |
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| 00:22.00 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: something goes wrong... I've to try it again paying more attention. the fs was corrupted in a unrecoverable manner. |
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| 00:22.46 | Lagbolt | dont use gparted. :) |
| 00:23.31 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: yes... |
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| 00:24.00 | Lagbolt | Bravewolf, i would suggest, starting and lookin at existing partition sizes with parted using units of "s" |
| 00:24.07 | Lagbolt | each "s" is 512 bytes |
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| 00:24.18 | Lagbolt | right down all start stop for partitions, and sizes in s |
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| 00:24.46 | Lagbolt | then when you resize2fs it tells you new # of 1k (1024byte) blocks. which can be converted to sectors (512 bytes in a sector) |
| 00:24.55 | Lagbolt | then you should be able to move stuff around no trouble |
| 00:26.34 | Lagbolt | the key is knowing all the information about all your partitions before you begin |
| 00:28.24 | Bravewolf | Lagbolt: thanks a lot for your tip. I have to study more... and to re-try. |
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| 00:40.57 | bol_ | Hi |
| 00:40.57 | apt | hola |
| 00:41.26 | bol_ | how are you apt ? :) |
| 00:41.48 | bol_ | bot.. |
| 00:42.11 | bol_ | Well, i have an issue |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | yes a bot |
| 00:42.39 | bol_ | not really actually, my friend has |
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| 00:43.37 | bol_ | he's running a ASUS P2-M2A690G with Attansic L1 chipset |
| 00:43.53 | bol_ | at the onboard network card |
| 00:44.08 | bol_ | but neither him or me can get it to work |
| 00:44.23 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 00:44.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 00:44.44 | bol_ | yeah, thanks.. |
| 00:44.57 | blameless | bolt: is your friend running etch? |
| 00:45.42 | bol_ | the module for the network card is included in the kernel, and the module is loaded, but we can't get the dammn thing to work |
| 00:45.54 | bol_ | blameless: yeah, but with lenny's kernel |
| 00:45.57 | abrotman | firmware needed? |
| 00:46.26 | bol_ | running 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 00:46.32 | bol_ | hm |
| 00:46.38 | bol_ | dunno |
| 00:47.05 | blameless | the driver is in the mainline kernel as of 2.6.21. thats why i asked about etch |
| 00:47.10 | bol_ | it works in testing/lenny, but not in etch with lenys kernel |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | gets another ice pack |
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| 00:47.15 | bol_ | +l |
| 00:47.21 | akio | hello |
| 00:47.36 | bol_ | blameless: yeah i know |
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| 00:47.54 | bol_ | but the box is running *.24 as i said |
| 00:48.01 | akio | i have been using linux for about 4 years and i have settled on debian |
| 00:48.21 | akio | but i want to know more about using debian effectively |
| 00:48.22 | bol_ | and the module is loading fine, but i can't bring up the if |
| 00:48.33 | akio | is there a debian bible or something? |
| 00:48.42 | abrotman | akio: what aboutit? |
| 00:48.42 | blameless | bol_: then why not move the machine to lenny or stay with all etch and put the standalone driver into etch? my honest recommendation having dealt with attansic in the past is to buy a $25 gigabit intel card but that's not always an option for folks :) |
| 00:48.47 | akio | or should i be looking for something more generic |
| 00:49.00 | itomato | akio - there's a whole christianity-related ubuntu distro. |
| 00:49.05 | akio | whoa |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | itomato: wtf |
| 00:49.10 | akio | thats disgusting |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | itomato: unrelated |
| 00:49.36 | itomato | totally - so was the question |
| 00:49.42 | akio | i feel like an idiot at the lug |
| 00:49.43 | bol_ | blameless: well it's onboard and only one pci-slot, so i don't have many options. :( |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | itomato: shut up |
| 00:49.44 | blameless | akio: you might start with wiki.debian.org |
| 00:49.49 | akio | no |
| 00:49.54 | akio | not something complete |
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| 00:50.01 | akio | but a guide to using |
| 00:50.05 | pinto3 | ah well, gentoo means heathen doesn't it? |
| 00:50.08 | itomato | HA! |
| 00:50.10 | ricosecada | akio, I have been using debian for about ten years now. I have all the different books, but I have found that reading up on the net on specific ways to deal with Debian being the most informative. |
| 00:50.11 | pinto3 | what's wrong with a christian distro |
| 00:50.12 | itomato | hilariousness |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | akio: there is tons of reference material, but a specific question might be better |
| 00:50.25 | bol_ | blameless: as i said, i'm running lennys kernel under etch, but it still dosen't work |
| 00:50.27 | akio | i figurede |
| 00:50.36 | abrotman | !docs |
| 00:50.36 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RFTM by an impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>. |
| 00:50.36 | itomato | was attempting to shoo the religiousity somewhere else |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | itomato: shut up |
| 00:50.54 | ricosecada | akio, also the securing debian manual is worth reading |
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| 00:51.01 | itomato | abrotman fuck you or put on ignore |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | itomato: shut up |
| 00:51.19 | akio | i went searching the other day for an answer that not too many people thought to ask and it just made me wonder about people being really effective users |
| 00:51.27 | ricosecada | akio, eventhough in my opinion an os should be secure by default :-) |
| 00:51.27 | blameless | bol_: i imagine the kernel needs some other lenny bit |
| 00:51.40 | akio | if they didnt care to fix this problem, how do the others seem to not be affected |
| 00:51.43 | bol_ | blameless: thats an option |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | akio: the debian docs on debian.org have tons of stuff .. if you've got more specific issues .. then ask |
| 00:51.56 | akio | nothing specific |
| 00:52.05 | ricosecada | akio, you need to be specific then |
| 00:52.22 | akio | well i have one about the b43 module in the recent kernel |
| 00:52.36 | akio | its not playing well with a b-only router |
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| 00:52.41 | akio | an old one |
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| 00:52.51 | Ramattack | Hi mates!!! |
| 00:53.04 | Ramattack | one little question... |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | akio: and in windows? |
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| 00:53.36 | akio | no problems |
| 00:53.36 | bol_ | blameless: but what package could give an fix? Shouldn't the kernel hold all the nessecary stuff to get the device to work? |
| 00:53.41 | ricosecada | akio, so? |
| 00:53.55 | akio | im not using ndiswrapper |
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| 00:54.29 | ricosecada | akio, I fail to see what that has to do with being an effective Debian user. |
| 00:54.36 | blameless | bolt: i don't know. there may be some userland support that card needs |
| 00:54.40 | bol_ | Is there anything else that communicates with the hardware besides the kernel? |
| 00:54.42 | akio | i can use ifconfig and iwconfig no problem but the nm-applet doesn't seem to handle everything well |
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| 00:54.48 | Ramattack | when you compile a kernel module like connlimit for netfilter and some months later you update libc6 and libc6-i686 to newer versions... could connlimit run into problems because it now uses a newer library than wich it was compiled with...? |
| 00:54.57 | abrotman | ricosecada: he has a problem he's trying to solve |
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| 00:55.03 | akio | the statements aren't related too much |
| 00:55.10 | Ramattack | connlimit and the kernel are compiled by me |
| 00:55.20 | ricosecada | akio, sorry didn't get that |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | akio: so if you don't use nm .. it's all good? |
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| 00:55.57 | ricosecada | abrotman, he changed the subject rather sudden :-) |
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| 00:56.18 | LinkinTurk | hi. i am on Ubuntu Hardy AMD64. i tried install oracle 10G database. but it need some i386 libraries. i think i can solve problem using debootstrap. how i can use debootstrap for libraries? |
| 00:56.30 | Wyzard | Ramattack: Kernel modules don't use user-space libraries like libc6 |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | ricosecada: but he did say he was :) |
| 00:57.09 | Wyzard | LinkinTurk: a) debootstrap is for installing the whole OS onto an empty filesystem, not installing individual packages; b) Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu, not here |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | LinkinTurk: ask #ububtu |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | grr |
| 00:57.39 | LinkinTurk | abrotman, :) |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | stupid broken bones |
| 00:57.55 | Wyzard | LinkinTurk: and you can't install i386 packages on an amd64 system |
| 00:57.55 | ricosecada | abrotman, yeah apparently :-) |
| 00:57.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: What'd you break? |
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| 00:58.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: bike stopped, i didn't, clavicle not whole |
| 00:58.29 | Wyzard | ouch |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: it was in VF park near the covered bridge |
| 00:58.52 | pinto3 | wonders what part of the body the clavicle is |
| 00:58.55 | Ramattack | Wyzard, that's what I though too... because that libraries are for doing determining how an app should work with kernel basically, if it needs open a syscall, open or close file descriptors... |
| 00:59.02 | pinto3 | i had a broken right hand before, sucks for computer |
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| 00:59.06 | abrotman | pinto3: colllarbone roughly |
| 00:59.10 | pinto3 | ouch |
| 00:59.15 | Ramattack | but well now I think iptables is a user space tool for netfilter |
| 00:59.24 | bol_ | Anyone that is running a attamsic network chipset that can give me a hint how to proceed in etch? |
| 00:59.43 | Ramattack | and you should enable connlimit throgh iptables |
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| 00:59.51 | Wyzard | Ramattack: libc6 provides a C-callable library interface to system calls provided by the kernel (as well as lots of higher-level functions) |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | bol_: errors in dmesg? |
| 01:00.06 | Wyzard | Ramattack: libraries depend on the kernel; the kernel is completely independent of libraries |
| 01:00.13 | jim | bol_: a pci card? |
| 01:00.22 | bol_ | abrotman: nothing |
| 01:00.25 | bol_ | jim: onboard |
| 01:00.39 | jim | ok, does lspci list anything about it? |
| 01:00.39 | abrotman | bol_: no errors por no messages? |
| 01:00.50 | bol_ | abrotman: nope |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | bol_: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 01:01.18 | jim | this is a wired eth port? |
| 01:01.22 | bol_ | abrotman: "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1" |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:01.35 | jim | that would be from an ifup |
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| 01:01.52 | bol_ | jim: yes |
| 01:02.05 | Wyzard | bol_: That generally means the interface has no definition in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:02.39 | jim | so look at your ifconfig -a, is there an ethNnything? |
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| 01:04.12 | bol_ | jim: yep |
| 01:04.31 | jim | ok, what is it called? ethWhat? |
| 01:05.04 | jim | also, there's not more than one ethSomething? |
| 01:05.07 | bol_ | Wyzard: no it's not specified in *interfaces, but i would get something more than "unknown" in lspci anyway.. |
| 01:05.35 | jim | well those two are actually unrelated |
| 01:05.47 | bol_ | jim: it's not called anything, because i can't bind it to an interface. But it should be eth1 |
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| 01:06.19 | bol_ | running some pci realtek-thingy as eth0 atm |
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| 01:07.12 | jim | bol_: oh, you don't have the question... ok, repeating, if you run >> ifconfig -a << you will get several paragraphs... could you first list all the interfaces on one line please? |
| 01:07.12 | Ramattack | well mates should go to the bed now |
| 01:07.17 | Ramattack | see u and thanks a lot!!!!!!! |
| 01:08.26 | bol_ | jim: well, it's just eth0 and lo. |
| 01:08.45 | bol_ | or do you want the full output? |
| 01:08.53 | jim | no, that should be ok |
| 01:09.17 | jim | are you for any reason expecting more than one eths? |
| 01:09.21 | bol_ | the internal card should be eth1, but it's not recognized by the kernel |
| 01:09.43 | jim | so then what is your eth0? |
| 01:09.46 | abrotman | bol_: lspci -nn .. ehat is the pciid? |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | what |
| 01:10.27 | bol_ | jim: the eth0 is an random realtek-card, running on a single pci-port on the box. |
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| 01:10.40 | jim | and it's running? |
| 01:10.49 | jim | it's the reason you're on the net? |
| 01:10.59 | bol_ | abrotman: 03.00.0 |
| 01:11.03 | abrotman | no |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | it'll be like 4f21:0135 |
| 01:11.17 | jim | that would be the location, he wants the id |
| 01:11.41 | bol_ | jim: yeah, the pci realtek card is just working fine |
| 01:11.46 | bol_ | ah |
| 01:12.10 | bol_ | well |
| 01:12.39 | bol_ | i'm just gonna write the whole line from "lspci -nn" then |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | it's at the end |
| 01:12.54 | jim | that'll work |
| 01:13.14 | bol_ | ..."Unknown device 8226" |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 01) |
| 01:13.25 | abrotman | [8086:3582] |
| 01:13.28 | abrotman | like that |
| 01:14.01 | jim | bol_: you are running lspci -nn yes? |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | bol_: after you give us the pciid .. run update-pciids |
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| 01:15.27 | bol_ | jim: yep |
| 01:15.36 | bol_ | here's the output: 03:00.0 "Ethernet controller" "Unknown vendor 1969" "Unknown device 1048" -rb0 "ASUSTeK Computer Inc." "Unknown device 8226" |
| 01:15.39 | bol_ | 04:09.0 "Ethernet controller" "VIA Technologies, Inc." "VT6105 [Rhine-III]" -r86 "D-Link System Inc" "DFE-530TX rev C" |
| 01:15.48 | bol_ | lspci -nn |grep eth |
| 01:15.51 | bol_ | that is |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | not what i asked for |
| 01:16.20 | jim | abrotman, I must have got it wrong |
| 01:16.30 | bol_ | brb |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | :/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686$ grep 1969 modules.pcimap | grep 1048 |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | atl1 0x00001969 0x00001048 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman | thst's the card |
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| 01:17.42 | abrotman | and .22 shows it also |
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| 01:17.47 | jim | no, lspci -nn, that's right |
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| 01:18.19 | jim | it doesn't look like he's running lspci with the args you're asking for |
| 01:19.28 | abrotman | no? |
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| 01:20.10 | bol_ | sorry |
| 01:20.11 | jim | he's saying he is, but then when we see the line it doesn't have the bracketed thing at the end |
| 01:20.14 | bol_ | typo.. |
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| 01:21.05 | bol_ | http://paste.se.linux.org/?id=4476 |
| 01:21.10 | bol_ | there it is |
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| 01:21.43 | bol_ | yeah i'm from sweden, so excuse me for my poor english.. |
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| 01:22.06 | jim | np, it will work out |
| 01:22.40 | bol_ | wtf |
| 01:22.55 | bol_ | now it shows the correct name on the device |
| 01:23.13 | jim | [1969:1048] |
| 01:23.16 | streuner | magic |
| 01:23.23 | jim | did you do update-pciids? |
| 01:23.50 | bol_ | ah, update-pciids |
| 01:23.55 | bol_ | yeah |
| 01:24.31 | jim | that's what got the later device name mappings |
| 01:24.47 | bol_ | ok |
| 01:25.20 | poseidon | Can you get flash in lenny/ |
| 01:25.27 | sharp15 | poseidon: yes. |
| 01:25.31 | bol_ | i tried "ifup eth1" and it gives; "Dont't seem to be have all the variables for eth1/inet." |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | poseidon: adobe.com |
| 01:25.52 | poseidon | sharp15, what repos is it under, I'm getting a package not found? |
| 01:26.02 | Wyzard | sharp15: non-free |
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| 01:26.06 | oggei | hi |
| 01:26.15 | sharp15 | Wyzard: so? |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | it's not in debian anymore i din't think ? |
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| 01:27.12 | Wyzard | hmm... it's in sid, but not in lenny apparently |
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| 01:27.24 | Wyzard | http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:27.33 | Wyzard | and in contrib, not non-free, so I was wrong |
| 01:27.39 | Wyzard | doesn't seem to have been removed from Debian though |
| 01:28.10 | Wyzard | sharp15: sorry, I meant to address poseidon with that |
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| 01:28.26 | poseidon | Whats the backport source for lenny? |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | for what? |
| 01:28.49 | Wyzard | testing doesn't get backports |
| 01:28.54 | Wyzard | but the .deb from unstable should word |
| 01:28.56 | Wyzard | *work |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | at least for flash |
| 01:29.31 | bol_ | :( |
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| 01:29.36 | oggei | flashplugin is still backported |
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| 01:29.50 | oggei | as per http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer , it's still in this hybrid state |
| 01:29.51 | sharp15 | how would i idetify which package (if any) has the 3d driver for a gForce4 MX 420 ? oss or binary, i'm not particular. |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | not for lenny |
| 01:30.13 | Wyzard | sharp15: The free "nv" driver should support that for 2D-only |
| 01:30.14 | oggei | uhm, in fact the page is outdated, for lenny |
| 01:30.23 | markybob | curses regex |
| 01:30.32 | sharp15 | i'm using flash on debian-lenny so i know it's there somewhere. |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | s/curses/swears at/ |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 01:30.52 | oggei | it's ok to insert a backport repository for branches "before" yours, though |
| 01:30.56 | streuner | sharp15: use apt-cache policy <package> |
| 01:30.56 | poseidon | to install a .deb just dpkg -i file? |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:31.07 | bol_ | hah |
| 01:31.09 | Wyzard | sharp15: For accelerated 3D, you'd need nvidia-glx-legacy, which is in non-free |
| 01:31.28 | streuner | and that's not in lenny |
| 01:31.28 | oggei | in fact, i also remember it was on lenny, and looking at changelogs doesn't seems to help |
| 01:31.30 | poseidon | non-free is a pain |
| 01:31.35 | Wyzard | sharp15: That just means you installed it at some point when it did exist in testing |
| 01:31.37 | bol_ | i set an ip-address on the interface now, and i pinged it ad it works |
| 01:31.41 | bol_ | anyway |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | i told you adobe.com |
| 01:32.12 | Wyzard | abrotman: Why are you pointing someone at the non-packaged Flash tarball when the .deb from unstable should work? |
| 01:32.25 | oggei | adobe also relicensed pieces of flash whole |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | he just whined that non-free was a pain |
| 01:32.37 | oggei | but i don't think two things correlates |
| 01:33.29 | jim | ok, bol_, good... now you should be able to take both interfaces down and put configuration stanza into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:33.36 | Wyzard | oggei: I heard about that... someone told me they took out the clause forbidding developers from using it to test and compare their own Flash implementation against, which is nice |
| 01:33.57 | poseidon | Wyzard, I installed the debian package you gave me and it works fine. Thanks |
| 01:34.06 | oggei | i hope we will see bsd people using official plugin before 2k9 |
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| 01:34.23 | oggei | that would be very nice |
| 01:34.58 | oggei | cause i've heard about freeing lot of implementation stuff also, so basically opening doors to volunteer portings efforts |
| 01:35.06 | oggei | more profit, less money spent, eeh |
| 01:35.13 | Wyzard | I wonder if they still have the clause that says Adobe can audit your use of Flash at any time and if they find any license violations you have to pay all the costs of the audit |
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| 01:36.02 | Wyzard | oggei: Well, they did GPL Tamarin, the scripting engine used for ActionScript, and donated it to the Mozilla project so it can be the Javascript engine in a future version of the browser |
| 01:36.11 | jim | is it true that the rme hammerfall hdsp drivers are all gpl? |
| 01:36.18 | Wyzard | which is nice since it does JIT so it probably performs a bit better |
| 01:36.29 | oggei | some corporate watching community efforts should look towards this big design |
| 01:36.45 | jim | what's in it for them |
| 01:36.51 | oggei | in post web 2.0 era, adobe will play every card still have in hands |
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| 01:37.07 | AwesomeGuy | trying to install stells gets weird errors |
| 01:37.12 | AwesomeGuy | * stella |
| 01:37.25 | AwesomeGuy | Package stella is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:37.25 | AwesomeGuy | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:37.25 | AwesomeGuy | is only available from another source |
| 01:37.25 | AwesomeGuy | E: Package stella has no installation candidate |
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| 01:37.26 | sharp15 | Wyzard: uhh. any idea where the "non-free" repo's for lenny are? sorry for the dumb question. |
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| 01:38.00 | Wyzard | sharp15: put "contrib" and "non-free" after "main" on the deb line in your sources.list |
| 01:38.06 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: Who told you to paste here? |
| 01:38.08 | thedonvaughn | sharp15: /etc/apt/sources.list just add non-free after main in your lenny line. might want to put contrib also |
| 01:38.14 | oggei | the problem is: like mono/dotgnu different approaches, is adobe also trying to launch is big lazo in some way ? :P |
| 01:38.17 | jim | so when you read that message and this time try to understand what it's saying... |
| 01:38.28 | AwesomeGuy | it was just 4 lines |
| 01:38.37 | AwesomeGuy | just how do i get stella |
| 01:38.43 | Wyzard | AwesomeGuy: stella is in contrib, which you probably don't have in your sources.list, so apt doesn't know it's available |
| 01:38.46 | oggei | it's in contrib |
| 01:38.46 | streuner | well, you didn't read guidelines too |
| 01:38.47 | oggei | ops |
| 01:39.06 | crazyfrog | when a added "deb http://backports.org/debian etch-backports main",then run "aptitude update".it would get an GPG error ,how to fix it? |
| 01:39.26 | oggei | apt knows about stella only for "apt-cache rdepends stella" |
| 01:39.38 | oggei | that's the problem |
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| 01:40.27 | dondelelcaro | crazyfrog: add the backports.org gpg key. |
| 01:40.28 | AwesomeGuy | I'll just download it from the stella site |
| 01:40.38 | AwesomeGuy | how do I install a .deb package |
| 01:40.39 | dondelelcaro | oggei: uh... it's in contrib, so yes, it does. |
| 01:40.50 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: just add a contrib line to your sources.list, and install it using apt-get |
| 01:40.51 | jim | AwesomeGuy: dpkg --help |
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| 01:40.54 | oggei | AwesomeGuy: beware that a very important package conflicts with stella |
| 01:40.54 | thedonvaughn | AwesomeGuy: man dpkg |
| 01:40.55 | basic` | so all of a sudden clamav just stopped working, there is no clamd.pid in /var/run/clamav, running /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start gives no output at all |
| 01:41.02 | bol_ | i'm way to wasted to get this to work. but thanks jim and abrotman. |
| 01:41.04 | bol_ | :D |
| 01:41.10 | bol_ | bye |
| 01:41.14 | AwesomeGuy | where is my sources.lst |
| 01:41.15 | oggei | at least, it seems by apt-cache depends x11-common |
| 01:41.22 | jim | bol_: you already got it working :P |
| 01:41.26 | ss2 | AwesomeGuy: man apt |
| 01:41.33 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:41.38 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: man sources.list for details |
| 01:41.51 | crazyfrog | dondelelcaro:i do not know how to add gpg key |
| 01:41.55 | oggei | dondelelcaro: yes, i said that for AwesomeGuy that obviously doesn't have contribs/non-free stuff |
| 01:42.00 | dondelelcaro | ss2: if you're going to recommend a manpage, please at least recommend the right one. |
| 01:42.09 | thedonvaughn | AwesomeGuy: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ |
| 01:42.19 | cast | were there two security updates to ssh? |
| 01:42.22 | jim | yeah, apt doesn |
| 01:42.30 | AwesomeGuy | why doesn't it just include it in the first place instead of making me have to add stuff |
| 01:42.31 | dondelelcaro | crazyfrog: it's a package in backports.org; that's just a warning, too. |
| 01:42.36 | jim | t install debs directly, it calls dpkg to do that |
| 01:42.41 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: because contrib requires packages not in main. |
| 01:42.48 | ss2 | dondelelcaro: whell, it's linked to it |
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| 01:43.04 | AwesomeGuy | E: Type 'contribs' is not known on line 9 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:43.04 | AwesomeGuy | E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 01:43.15 | AwesomeGuy | >:( |
| 01:43.21 | oggei | it's contrib |
| 01:43.27 | oggei | w/o `s' |
| 01:43.28 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: it's main contrib non-free; man sources.list again; |
| 01:43.30 | thedonvaughn | AwesomeGuy: look carefully. you can do it... come on. |
| 01:43.34 | jim | AwesomeGuy: gotta spell it the same way it's defined |
| 01:43.38 | streuner | cast: what do you think? |
| 01:43.42 | AwesomeGuy | oh ya |
| 01:43.49 | cosmodad | is it possible to check SSL site certificates for OpenSSL vulnerability? openssl-vulnkey only seems to work if the corresponding private key is available. |
| 01:43.53 | jim | thedonvaughn: this is a known issue |
| 01:43.57 | ss2 | AwesomeGuy: you maybe should start reading the debian reference. most questions of yours will be answered there |
| 01:44.07 | AwesomeGuy | same error with contrib |
| 01:44.11 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: if they were made on a Debian machine in the timeframe, they're vulnerable. |
| 01:44.13 | streuner | cast: http://www.us.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
| 01:44.16 | thedonvaughn | jim: what's a known issue? |
| 01:44.16 | cast | streuner: i think i updated ssh 2 days ago but that it updated again today :\ |
| 01:44.22 | thedonvaughn | jim: putting a 's' on contrib? |
| 01:44.26 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: that's what I'd like to test. |
| 01:44.27 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: again, it's deb url suite main contrib non-free |
| 01:44.36 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: if you don't know, assume they're vulnerable |
| 01:44.48 | dondelelcaro | (you really should be regenerating ssl keys every few years anyway) |
| 01:45.06 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: unfortunately, I'm not in control of my bank's certificate regeneration process. |
| 01:45.08 | jim | thedonvaughn: the issue of not willing to read, not willing to figure out, flooding, etc |
| 01:45.13 | AwesomeGuy | now it's a 'malformed line'... |
| 01:45.13 | oggei | a full rollover it's a pain, but necessary even if no positive checks imho |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | i think he means foo.com that you would visit |
| 01:45.26 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: show us that line. |
| 01:45.30 | thedonvaughn | jim: oh yah :P |
| 01:45.46 | AwesomeGuy | deb url suite main contrib non-free |
| 01:45.48 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: if it's not a cert that you control, I wouldn't worry about it. |
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| 01:46.12 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: uh... that's an example; you have to put your mirror in for url, and the suite you're using in for suite. |
| 01:46.17 | jim | AwesomeGuy: ok, so you need to replace url with a url and suite with a suite |
| 01:46.26 | AwesomeGuy | what's a suite |
| 01:46.27 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: you've already got a line like that that ends in main. switch main with main contrib non-free. |
| 01:46.28 | basic` | nm fixed it |
| 01:46.33 | oggei | you really have to man 5 sources.list |
| 01:46.41 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: and if you don't know what a suite is, you really need to read man 5 sources.list. |
| 01:46.42 | cosmodad | dondelelcaro: I find it difficult to not think about some black hat disclosing my bank password abusing a flawed certificate. |
| 01:46.49 | jim | etch lenny sarge sid unstable stable testing |
| 01:46.58 | jim | those are suites |
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| 01:47.10 | abrotman | or he could read |
| 01:47.19 | jim | again, known issue. |
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| 01:47.46 | abrotman | jim: you're not helping with that issue? :) |
| 01:47.49 | oggei | in fact, we have to consider unsafe all the ssl traffic generated in this timeframe :( |
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| 01:48.00 | cast | i'm still not clear, there was ssh 1:4.3p2-9 -> 1:4.3p2-9etch1 *and* then today ssh 1:4.3p2-9etch1 -> 1:4.3p2-9etch2 |
| 01:48.09 | oggei | so certs rollover, and changing passes, and checking bank accounts, omg |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | cast: dsa says why |
| 01:48.40 | jim | I'm afraid if I (do as I did earlier and) challenge him by asking him questions, he'll think I insulted him |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:49.27 | cast | ahh. so 1:4.3p2-9etch2 is for fixes for all the other arches that didnt get fixed in 1:4.3p2-9etch1 |
| 01:50.05 | jim | and so I just note in passing it's a known issue with him |
| 01:50.07 | dondelelcaro | cast: not quite |
| 01:50.30 | dondelelcaro | cast: it's actually a revision to the vulnkey tool to fix authorized_key options |
| 01:50.41 | sharp15 | i now have "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" but apt still can't find nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 01:50.42 | AwesomeGuy | that was a lot of work just to get stella.. |
| 01:50.52 | Wyzard | sharp15: Run apt-get update |
| 01:51.03 | AwesomeGuy | the line I needed was in the man file, why didn't someone just say it before |
| 01:51.04 | Wyzard | sharp15: to download the new package lists from the new sources you added |
| 01:51.11 | jim | AwesomeGuy: expansion of your own ability usually is. |
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| 01:51.48 | sharp15 | Wyzard: i did. still no pacakge. |
| 01:51.52 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: we pointed you to the documentation where it's explained; our goal is to make you self-sufficient |
| 01:52.03 | streuner | haha |
| 01:52.58 | jim | AwesomeGuy: but for your case, you spend so much energy trying to make it appear like it's so hard, no wonder you find it to be so much work |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:53.33 | Wyzard | sharp15: hmm... looks like the nVidia drivers still aren't in lenny (they haven't been for a long time, but someone told me a week or two that they were now) |
| 01:53.46 | dondelelcaro | jim: there's no point in attacking him. |
| 01:54.00 | jim | that's an attack? :) |
| 01:54.14 | jim | I'm just pointing out an inefficiency |
| 01:54.27 | sharp15 | Wyzard: ok. so no nvidia 3d for lenny. |
| 01:54.53 | Wyzard | sharp15: or maybe I'm mixed up and what the person told me was that sid's nVidia packages now work in lenny (previously they didn't) |
| 01:55.09 | Wyzard | sharp15: I'd get the debs from unstable and try those |
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| 01:55.37 | sharp15 | Wyzard: i'm uncertain how. and every time i ask about mixing testing and unstable i get screamed at. |
| 01:56.05 | streuner | some people don't like *any* aggression |
| 01:56.06 | jim | dondelelcaro: as far as I'm concerned, if he doesn't take that info and make changes, then he's being dishonest with himself |
| 01:56.13 | streuner | drop that |
| 01:56.37 | AwesomeGuy | stella isn't even working.. |
| 01:56.50 | fde | !tell sharp15 about pinning |
| 01:56.58 | Wyzard | sharp15: IIRC, if you put the line: Apt::Get::Default-Release "testing"; in your /etc/apt/apt.conf, apt will stick with testing by default even if you add an unstable source, so you can install just selected packages from unstable |
| 01:56.59 | AwesomeGuy | I have it put on a dir with all my atari roms in it but it won't show the roms |
| 01:57.04 | AwesomeGuy | the man file didn't help |
| 01:57.20 | AwesomeGuy | clicking 'refresh view' resets the path back to / |
| 01:57.27 | Wyzard | sharp15: but that syntax is from memory so it might be slightly wrong, and you can also just go to http://packages.debian.org/ and look up nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-kernel-source-legacy there |
| 01:58.05 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: you should just be able to go stella foorom; |
| 01:58.16 | fde | sharp15: You can just set testings priority higher than sids in the factoid dpkg gave you. |
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| 01:58.50 | sharp15 | fde: i have to figure out what it's talking about first. |
| 01:59.43 | Wyzard | fde: That's the more obscure way of doing it... setting APT::Get::Default-Release in apt.conf has the effect of setting a pin at priority 990, but is simpler and more self-explanatory |
| 01:59.52 | fde | sharp15: dpkg meant http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning for the wiki page btw |
| 02:00.42 | fde | dondelelcaro: Care to correct the link in the pinning factoid? Or is it still open for everyone? |
| 02:01.16 | fde | Actually, I think it's just my client including the full stop... nm |
| 02:01.27 | sharp15 | fde: thank you. i was speaking more generally. |
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| 02:05.42 | jim | looking for packages for 2.6.18 etch (not etch n a half, no reason to go there) with xen 3.1 or 3.2; I mostly find 3.1 stuff but no hypervisor... where is that archived? are there any xen-3.2 packages for etch with 2.6.18? |
| 02:06.16 | sharp15 | fde: can apt/preferences take comments? |
| 02:06.59 | streuner | jim: try #debian-kernel (OFTC) |
| 02:07.08 | jim | I'm there |
| 02:07.13 | streuner | ok |
| 02:07.32 | jim | that question posed some hours ago :) |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | there is a #debian-xen |
| 02:07.42 | jim | I'm there too :) |
| 02:07.58 | streuner | have some patience then :-) |
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| 02:13.00 | sharp15 | i'm getting nvidia-glx-legacy packages now but they end in -96xx and -71xx (with -dev versions for both) |
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| 02:17.39 | Wyzard | sharp15: They're for different generations of cards |
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| 02:18.08 | sharp15 | thank you. |
| 02:18.08 | apt | no worries, sharp15 |
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| 02:19.11 | Wyzard | sharp15: looks like the 71xx one supports cards up to the GeForce2 non-MX, and the 96xx one supports cards from the GeForce2 MX up through the GeForce 4 |
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| 02:20.00 | Wyzard | sharp15: The packages' descriptions have lists of supported cards |
| 02:20.46 | streuner | sharp15: look into /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 02:21.00 | Wyzard | He doesn't have them installed yet |
| 02:21.31 | Wyzard | and shouldn't install both (not that it's harmful, but only one of them is actually useful for his card) |
| 02:21.36 | klync | my clamav is choking with apt-get upgrade, and i even tried switching to the debian-volatile pkgs - no luck |
| 02:22.36 | streuner | sharp15: its also here http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 02:22.40 | sharp15 | I found the discriptions. it's saying that nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-96.43.05 is a dependancy but that us "not installable" |
| 02:23.17 | oggei | you probably have to use module-assistant |
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| 02:23.28 | oggei | i saw i thread on -dev, also, those days |
| 02:24.02 | oggei | try to install and use module-assistant, it have an interface that let you choose what to compile, normally i did this way |
| 02:24.07 | oggei | eg. m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:24.41 | sharp15 | oggei: i don't know what you're reffering to. |
| 02:25.31 | oggei | nvidia drivers are normally split in two packages, one with binary precompiled glx driver, one with a kernel dependent driver |
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| 02:26.05 | oggei | this two referring other with a circular dependency that you break using module-assistant, debian extra-linux driver builder |
| 02:26.05 | Wyzard | sharp15: The nvidia-kernel-legacy module isn't in the archive; you build it locally (using module-assistant) from the source code in nvidia-kernel-legacy-(version)-source |
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| 02:26.30 | sharp15 | then why is there a binary package listed? |
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| 02:26.37 | oggei | Wyzard is telling you with a far better english |
| 02:27.02 | sharp15 | unfortunately i only speak/read the one language. |
| 02:27.18 | oggei | unless it's chinese, follow Wyzard indications |
| 02:27.22 | sharp15 | English. before that comment causes me problems. |
| 02:28.10 | oggei | mh. |
| 02:28.27 | kelvin911 | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 02:28.35 | Wyzard | sharp15: nvidia-glx (the xorg driver and OpenGL implementation) depends on nvdia-kernel (a kernel module) but kernel modules have to be compiled for a specific kernel |
| 02:28.39 | oggei | is flaming better than not ? |
| 02:28.41 | streuner | no, that's we haning here around |
| 02:28.45 | streuner | hanging* |
| 02:28.48 | Wyzard | sharp15: In stable releases there are precompiled nvidia-kernel packages in the archive |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | kelvin911: you're in #debian |
| 02:29.12 | streuner | kelvin911: why do you ask this in #debian? |
| 02:29.14 | Wyzard | sharp15: but in testing/unstable, kernels change periodically so pre-built nvidia-kernel packages aren't kept in the archive |
| 02:29.40 | kelvin911 | i am wondering |
| 02:29.45 | Wyzard | sharp15: Instead you use the nvidia-kernel-source package to build, locally, an nvidia-kernel package for the specific kernel on your own machine |
| 02:29.52 | kelvin911 | because i am using ubuntu i am thinking of switching |
| 02:29.55 | Wyzard | sharp15: The module-assistant tool automates that process |
| 02:30.06 | streuner | kelvin911: why? |
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| 02:30.30 | kelvin911 | because a guy tell me to switch to more stable OS |
| 02:30.38 | kelvin911 | i mean distro |
| 02:30.52 | Joelito | How can I make iceape in spanish? Seems that there isn't a package for the language? |
| 02:31.03 | markybob | !es |
| 02:31.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:31.15 | oggei | Joelito: you have to install a language pack |
| 02:31.18 | streuner | Joelito: aptitude install locales |
| 02:32.03 | sharp15 | Wyzard: i don't see a source package for nvidia-glx-legacy-... |
| 02:32.06 | Joelito | oggei: I'm in etch, and it doens have one. I use aptitude seach iceape |
| 02:32.32 | Joelito | streuner: I'll try |
| 02:33.10 | oggei | Joelito: locales are for libc localization, for iceape you still have to install a langpack |
| 02:33.13 | sharp15 | Wyzard: never mind. |
| 02:33.51 | oggei | there's no community effort for packaging every language, so you'll have to install for every user using .xpi |
| 02:33.51 | Joelito | oggei: that's my question ^^; |
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| 02:34.22 | oggei | it seems to be also ur answer |
| 02:34.25 | oggei | :) |
| 02:34.46 | streuner | kelvin911: /msg dpkg ig |
| 02:35.13 | Joelito | oggei: Yeah, I know..so..Do I need to go to seamonkey site and download it from there? :p |
| 02:35.21 | oggei | yes |
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| 02:35.49 | oggei | if you know how debian packaging works, you can also fetch another localization pack source and adapt |
| 02:35.55 | oggei | so you'll have syswide |
| 02:36.35 | oggei | but if you are using a normal desktop machine, it's probably less pain to install xpi normally from inside iceape |
| 02:36.40 | streuner | bullshit |
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| 02:37.09 | oggei | so shed your light about that |
| 02:37.12 | newbie10 | hi |
| 02:37.12 | apt | hello |
| 02:37.18 | streuner | just go to preferences (in whatever language) and make the right corrections |
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| 02:37.54 | newbie10 | i have a ubuntu question - i know this debian - but installed it via wubi and when system boots up - all i get is grub and nothing else - i don't know what commands to boot up the system - should wubi fix all of this |
| 02:38.13 | oggei | it's not useful, as $LANG is probably already set on a good value |
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| 02:38.23 | abrotman | newbie10: #ubuntu |
| 02:38.24 | markybob | newbie10, how would we know what wubi does? |
| 02:38.25 | oggei | the question is how to translate interface, not content |
| 02:38.37 | kelvin911 | wubi is ubuntu stuffs |
| 02:38.38 | oggei | so my bullshit beat ur hogwash |
| 02:38.41 | oggei | :D |
| 02:38.42 | newbie10 | is wubi specific only to ubuntu |
| 02:38.43 | newbie10 | okay |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | newbie10: #ubuntu |
| 02:39.18 | kelvin911 | this channel can talk bullshit? |
| 02:39.21 | kelvin911 | nice |
| 02:39.33 | newbie10 | thanks |
| 02:39.33 | apt | newbie10: de rien |
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| 02:40.51 | oggei | time to sleep. have a nice 30meg locales install :) |
| 02:41.09 | kelvin911 | u from europe? |
| 02:41.20 | kelvin911 | or from the east? |
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| 02:41.34 | oggei | just whois me |
| 02:41.36 | oggei | nite |
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| 02:41.39 | streuner | !info iceape-l10n-es |
| 02:41.48 | kelvin911 | whois oggei |
| 02:41.56 | oggei | rotfl |
| 02:42.01 | kelvin911 | forgot tje / |
| 02:42.04 | dpkg | iceape-l10n-es: (Spanish language package for Iceape), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 751 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 02:42.14 | kelvin911 | italy? |
| 02:43.01 | ttick | okay, I just inserted a pcimcia wifi card and watched wifi0 stuff roll by in /var/log/messages . . . now what? What command detects APs and how do I connect to one? |
| 02:43.06 | oggei | kelvin911: so the problem obviously is that he can't get localization, not in preferences, unless is a totally dummy using a localized norway desktop |
| 02:43.15 | oggei | yes |
| 02:43.22 | sharp15 | i've installed module-assistant ... im still lost. the legacy-96xx-source package wanst to install 60MB of files. |
| 02:43.39 | sharp15 | * wants |
| 02:43.40 | oggei | s/kelvin911/streuner/ |
| 02:43.54 | Wyzard | sharp15: Install the source package, then run "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel" |
| 02:44.07 | Wyzard | sharp15: It'll automatically build and install the nvidia-kernel package for your running kernel |
| 02:44.09 | oggei | m-a --help also shows you right directions |
| 02:44.28 | oggei | for a strange cause, it speaks about nvidia in --help output :P |
| 02:44.29 | oggei | nite |
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| 02:45.09 | sharp15 | Wyzard: thank you. sorry for requiring seeming constant help. |
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| 02:48.13 | ttick | anyone help me with my wifi n00b question? Just need some commands to get started |
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| 02:52.34 | bombshock | Hello. Would anyone know what would be a good music streaming app; one that the user can view and select music via a list on a http page? |
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| 02:53.46 | abrotman | mpd ? |
| 02:54.13 | bombshock | ty |
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| 02:59.32 | sharp15 | module assistant ran. but the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx still complains that the nvidia-kernel package is still missing |
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| 03:00.11 | streuner | needs a good AC for this summer |
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| 03:00.36 | Cr0n0s | save all |
| 03:01.06 | streuner | abrotman: do you have AC? |
| 03:01.22 | abrotman | i do, but i don't use it |
| 03:01.25 | Cr0n0s | algem q tcl pt_br? |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | or you mean AC current |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:01.30 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 03:01.44 | streuner | abrotman: air-condition |
| 03:02.00 | abrotman | yeah .. have it .. don't use it |
| 03:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nickometer ^]] |
| 03:02.44 | dpkg | '^]]' is 98.180% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 03:02.45 | Wyzard | sharp15: What does "apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`" show? |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | why? |
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| 03:03.29 | streuner | abrotman: well, its pretty hot some days in your area, just wondering |
| 03:03.29 | sharp15 | Wyzard: "nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-1-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.24-1-686" |
| 03:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | slightly wonders what you have to do for the remaining 1.82% |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | streuner: depends on your defintion of hot |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: msg the bot to find out |
| 03:03.56 | Cr0n0s | |
| 03:03.56 | Cr0n0s | algem may take me a question ... the server vmware 1.5 route to how many machines? |
| 03:04.05 | abrotman | Cr0n0s: ask #vmware |
| 03:04.12 | Wyzard | sharp15: apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-1-686 | grep Provides |
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| 03:05.23 | sharp15 | Wyzard: "Provides: nvidia-kernel-169.12" |
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| 03:05.50 | Wyzard | sharp15: looks like you built the non-legacy kernel module |
| 03:06.14 | Wyzard | sharp15: That Provides matches up with a Depends in the nvidia-glx package |
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| 03:06.34 | sharp15 | Wyzard: do i need to uninstall somehow? |
| 03:06.47 | Wyzard | sharp15: but nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-96.43.05, not nvidia-kernel-169.12 |
| 03:06.58 | dabreegster | with the debian installer, is there a way to manually get a network connection before the rest of the install process? my friend's wireless usb adaptor seems to only be supported with ndiswrapper. does anybody know if d-i has ndiswrapper working in the bootstrap? |
| 03:07.03 | Wyzard | sharp15: yeah, uninstall nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 03:07.32 | Wyzard | sharp15: You might need to tell module-assistant to build nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx rather than nvidia-kernel; I've never used the legacy driver so I'm not sure |
| 03:07.33 | abrotman | dabreegster: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 03:07.51 | dabreegster | thank you abrotman |
| 03:07.51 | apt | dabreegster: my pleasure |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 03:08.02 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 03:08.11 | streuner | dabreegster: or just install via CD/DVD and add the packages (ndiswrapper or such) later |
| 03:08.35 | Wyzard | Cr0n0s: Your question doesn't make any sense |
| 03:08.46 | dabreegster | streuner: i hope she has blank cds... alright. i'm surprised linksys of all companies doesnt release specs |
| 03:08.58 | streuner | Are these steps about nvidia-glx (testing) not in a factoid? |
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| 03:09.21 | Wyzard | Cr0n0s: I don't think there's any such thing as VMware Server 1.5 (only 1.0 and 2.0, and 2.0 isn't released yet) and what does "route to how many machines?" mean? |
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| 03:09.33 | Wyzard | streuner: nvidia one-liner |
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| 03:09.47 | streuner | dabreegster: one should be enough (CDRW) |
| 03:09.57 | streuner | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:09.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 03:10.07 | Wyzard | streuner: but that doesn't explain the "how and why" of how the glx and kernel packages work together, or the naming scheme used for the legacy drivers |
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| 03:10.51 | streuner | hm, it would be helpful if these kind of steps mentioned in wiki.debian.org |
| 03:11.12 | streuner | specially for testing, we often have these issues here |
| 03:11.51 | Wyzard | dabreegster: Linksys didn't make the actual wireless chipset; they just put it into a USB device and sell it |
| 03:11.52 | sharp15 | Wyzard: the install worked. thanks for the help. i'll have to write this one up. no chance of remembering this when i need it again. |
| 03:12.12 | sharp15 | thanks. |
| 03:12.13 | apt | my pleasure, sharp15 |
| 03:12.22 | sharp15 | huh? |
| 03:12.29 | Wyzard | sharp15: You'll need to use module-assistant to build a new nvidia-kernel package when you upgrade your kernel, btw |
| 03:12.30 | dabreegster | ah |
| 03:12.30 | streuner | omg, what did Tim? |
| 03:12.43 | abrotman | bah thanks |
| 03:13.02 | sharp15 | Wyzard: ok. thank you. |
| 03:13.08 | sharp15 | is apt a bot? |
| 03:13.17 | streuner | apt, what are you? |
| 03:13.18 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:13.18 | drwahl | i am trying to use fusion-icon to control compiz, but i seem to be having issues getting fusion-icon to run. when i try to run it, i get the error "the "FusionIcon" module is missing. If you did not install fusion-icon to /usr, you may need to add the appropriate site-packages directory to your PYTHONPATH", however, i found fusion-icon in /usr/bin/fusion-icon and i did "export PYTHONPATH=/usr/bin:/usr" and still nothing. any ideas what |
| 03:14.23 | sharp15 | ok. i guess i'm just not used to bots responding to my comments. |
| 03:14.56 | abrotman | apt: bot? |
| 03:14.57 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 03:15.21 | streuner | hehe, good call... |
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| 03:20.35 | ProN00b | can anyone confirm that the recent openssl random number generator vulnerability will still require remote attackers to know my password for ssh authentification ? |
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| 03:23.07 | Shadow_mil | ProN00b, it will |
| 03:23.24 | Shadow_mil | ProN00b, but its a lot easier to get if your using a bad key |
| 03:23.37 | Shadow_mil | or had used a bad key in the past |
| 03:24.18 | Shadow_mil | epic xkcd comic today btw :P |
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| 03:28.54 | Wyzard | ProN00b: If you're using public-key authentication with ssh, it's possible to log into your account just by possessing your private key, without having to type your password -- that's the whole point of public-key authentication |
| 03:29.11 | Wyzard | ProN00b: If your key is a weak one, an attacker can easily guess your private key, and thus log into your account |
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| 03:29.30 | Wyzard | ProN00b: no knowledge of your password required |
| 03:30.20 | Wyzard | ProN00b: That only applies if you have public-key authentication enabled for the account -- that is, if you have a public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote host |
| 03:31.24 | Wyzard | ProN00b: As a separate matter, if the *server's* host key is weak, an attacker can impersonate the server |
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| 03:32.07 | Wyzard | ProN00b: so if he can intercept your traffic, he can do a man-in-the-middle attack (and possibly capture your password when you type it, if you're not using public-key authentication) |
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| 03:35.47 | dragonheart | fyi is anyone wants to add this to the wiki/SSLkeys they can. I've forwarded an email to the debian maintainer for dkim-filter if people would rather wait. http://debian.pastebin.com/m17c2be20 |
| 03:36.07 | svref | Some process (I think Flash Plugin) has died in control of the sound card. How do I figure out which it is and slap it silly? |
| 03:37.42 | pinto3 | maybe lsof will tell you |
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| 03:38.22 | svref | what are the names of all the sound-y devices? /dev/mixer, /dev/dsp, what else? |
| 03:38.43 | pinto3 | i think there's a dev/sound and esp |
| 03:38.48 | pinto3 | on some setups |
| 03:38.58 | Wyzard | ALSA devices are in /dev/snd |
| 03:39.10 | Wyzard | /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are OSS things |
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| 03:46.02 | ProN00b | thanks for the clarification Shadow_mil and Wyzard |
| 03:46.02 | apt | ProN00b: de rien |
| 03:46.06 | zythmer | ProN00b: The password is only used to encrypt the ~/.ssh/id_rsa private key on disk. If an attacker has the private key, they can login. From the man page: "It is possible to specify a passphrase when generating the key; that passphrase will be used to encrypt the private part of this file using 3DES." |
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| 03:47.37 | ProN00b | zythmer, huh ? |
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| 03:49.22 | zythmer | ProN00b: When you specify a password to ssh-keygen, it is used to encrypt your private key (so if someone gets a hold of it, they would have to decrypt that file). If they have the unencrypted contents of the file, they can login. In the case of this ssh vulnerability, the unencrypted form is known so an attacker wouldn't need whatever password you used. |
| 03:50.00 | ProN00b | i am talking about sshd password authentication |
| 03:50.05 | zythmer | ooh ok |
| 03:50.54 | ProN00b | on my box it says "debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password" my guess would be that it would be gameover if it said "debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey" |
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| 03:51.30 | Wyzard | ProN00b: No, that message means that either a password *or* public key can be used |
| 03:51.46 | Wyzard | ProN00b: It's telling the client what its options are |
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| 03:52.46 | Wyzard | ProN00b: If you use public-key authentication, you have to type whatever password you've set on your private key (but an attacker bypasses that, as zythmer said) but you do *not* have to type the passphrase for the user account on the remote machine |
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| 03:54.49 | ProN00b | but as you said using public-key authentication would mean i have something in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:55.14 | ProN00b | hmm, but can i actually check a remote machine with ssh if it allows public key authentication ? |
| 03:56.20 | Wyzard | Check whether it's possible to log into a remote machine using public-key? |
| 03:56.56 | ProN00b | yes |
| 03:56.58 | Wyzard | That requires a) public-key authentication being enabled in sshd, and b) the user account in question having a public key (or several) in .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:57.33 | Wyzard | and a) it's enabled by default, so that users can use public keys if they want to, and b) you'd know if you'd uploaded a public key to the machine (e.g. using ssh-copy-id) |
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| 03:58.03 | ProN00b | yeah, ofc i could check with access to the machine, but can i without ? |
| 03:58.05 | Wyzard | If you run ssh-vulnkey on the remote machine, it'll tell you whether there are any weak keys in the authorized_keys file |
| 03:58.11 | Wyzard | not really |
| 03:58.25 | Tramp | ProN00b: the line you gave above (Authentications that can continue:...) shows you ,that the remote system offers pubkey auth. |
| 03:58.56 | Wyzard | You can check whether the machine permits public-key authentication in the protocol (that's the "authentications that can continue" message) but that doesn't tell you whether the account you're logging into actually has key(s) in the authorized_keys file |
| 04:00.02 | Wyzard | at least, I doubt it does (it might be that sshd only offers publickey auth if the user actually has keys in the authorized_keys file, but that'd be an information leak and I think the OpenSSH developers know better) |
| 04:00.45 | sharp15 | Wyzard: i have now tested the drivers and they work. thanks for the help. |
| 04:00.47 | ProN00b | yeah, it shows publickey auth as soon as its generally enabled in the sshd_config |
| 04:01.42 | Samonoske | hey i did apt-get remove --purge package ...how do i know when it has finished |
| 04:01.48 | Samonoske | Purging configuration files for mydns-mysql ... |
| 04:01.51 | Wyzard | Samonoske: when you get your prompt back |
| 04:01.53 | Samonoske | that's the last thing it says |
| 04:02.09 | Samonoske | but bash hasn't come back yet and it's been this way for about 16hrs |
| 04:02.27 | Wyzard | ProN00b: so if the machine has pubkey enabled in general, there's no way to know whether there actually exists a key that will successfully log you into a given account |
| 04:02.52 | Wyzard | ProN00b: though you could do a brute-force attack by trying all the weak keys (shouldn't take more than a few hours) |
| 04:03.05 | ProN00b | 20 minutes the webpages say |
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| 04:03.32 | Wyzard | Samonoske: Tap the Enter key and see if you get a prompt; I've seen shells get confused sometimes and not print a prompt right away when a command exits |
| 04:04.07 | Samonoske | Wyzard http://pastebin.com/d2465db2a |
| 04:04.12 | Samonoske | this is what i get after doing that |
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| 04:04.47 | Samonoske | i need it to remove all of its files so i can reinstall it and then configure it the proper way |
| 04:05.34 | Wyzard | Samonoske: "subprocess post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)" sounds like you pressed Ctrl-C |
| 04:06.20 | Samonoske | Wyzard so whenever i used Ctrl+c to copy the text i kill the process? |
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| 04:06.54 | vagothcpp | Thanks for the help I recieved yesterday, updating the kernel fixed my problem. |
| 04:06.54 | apt | vagothcpp: no worries |
| 04:06.58 | Wyzard | Samonoske: Yes, Ctrl-C sends an interrupt signal to terminate a program |
| 04:07.28 | Wyzard | Samonoske: Terminal programs generally have some alternate hotkey for copying text to the clipboard (in gnome-terminal it's Ctrl-Shift-C) |
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| 04:08.08 | debian2_6_24_1am | im using Linux debian 2.6.24-1-amd64 i am looking for improved flash over iceweaselany opinions on opera 64bit flash? |
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| 04:08.27 | Samonoske | Okay Wyzard guess i'll try again..without using ctrl-c |
| 04:08.35 | Wyzard | debian2_6_24_1am: amd64 Debian has a flashplugin-nonfree package which uses nspluginwrapper to load the 32-bit Adobe Flash |
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| 04:09.18 | debian2_6_24_1am | that is what im using |
| 04:09.46 | Wyzard | debian2_6_24_1am: Presumably nspluginwrapper only supports Netscape-style plugins (e.g. Firefox), so I don't know about Opera support... I think there's some package that lets Opera use Netscape-style plugins |
| 04:09.51 | jim | and how's that going? |
| 04:10.09 | debian2_6_24_1am | it works ok just high cpu usage and a little on the poor quality side |
| 04:10.35 | Wyzard | debian2_6_24_1am: Flash using lots of CPU is pretty typical, unfortunately |
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| 04:11.06 | debian2_6_24_1am | hate to burn up my laptop watching flash movies |
| 04:11.21 | Wyzard | debian2_6_24_1am: Then don't watch Flash movies on your laptop :-) |
| 04:11.37 | debian2_6_24_1am | guess i cant argue |
| 04:12.03 | Lagbolt | debian2_6_24_1am, you get high cpu from watching flash? really? what sites? |
| 04:12.09 | Wyzard | debian2_6_24_1am: There are one or two free Flash implementations, (gnash is the only one I can remember by name), but they don't work very well |
| 04:12.13 | Lagbolt | my laptop stays at half cpu speed using it on youtube |
| 04:12.40 | sharp15 | the recent ssh problem was then related to keys generated on debian, correct? |
| 04:12.41 | debian2_6_24_1am | iw as going to turn it down ..... |
| 04:12.55 | Wyzard | sharp15: yes, Debian and distributions based on it |
| 04:13.05 | debian2_6_24_1am | ive just always went the opposite way never down |
| 04:13.08 | itomato | sharp - yep - with libssl > versions installed with Sarge |
| 04:13.19 | itomato | versions *than installed |
| 04:14.20 | sharp15 | ok. just wanted to make sure that keys generated months ago on another distro weren't going to cause me problems. |
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| 04:15.08 | Wyzard | sharp15: You should be OK as long as the other distro wasn't a Debian-based one (e.g. Ubuntu) |
| 04:15.17 | sharp15 | it was gentoo. |
| 04:15.33 | Wyzard | definitely not Debian-based :-) |
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| 04:16.05 | sharp15 | specifically hardened gentoo not that it makes a difference for this. |
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| 04:18.22 | grendal_prime | i got this router..that on a pretty predictalble time frame will try and connect to itself and send a shitload of ..looks like broadcast data? |
| 04:18.26 | grendal_prime | that make anysence? |
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| 04:19.32 | sharp15 | grendal_prime: configuration problem? (assuming it's not one of the consumer network/router boxes) |
| 04:19.36 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: no, doesn't make much sense... broadcasting data to itself? |
| 04:19.40 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: What sort of data? |
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| 04:20.04 | kami | hi fuckers |
| 04:20.09 | grendal_prime | let me get iptraf up and running and ill get more details.. |
| 04:20.22 | grendal_prime | its like it floods itslef.. |
| 04:20.32 | pinto3 | hello kami |
| 04:20.38 | grendal_prime | and ya its a debian box routing with iptables |
| 04:20.39 | kami | hello pinto3 xD |
| 04:20.44 | grendal_prime | and iproute |
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| 04:33.02 | grendal_prime | ok Wyzard i get a shitload of this...? UDP (60 bytes) from 127.0.0.1:32769 to 127.0.0.1:32769 on lo ? |
| 04:34.05 | Wyzard | That's not broadcast, but it is pretty weird |
| 04:34.38 | Wyzard | See if netstat shows what process is using that socket |
| 04:34.49 | grendal_prime | postgres database server |
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| 04:35.05 | grendal_prime | udp 0 0 localhost:32769 localhost:32769 ESTABLISHEDpostgres 5247 |
| 04:35.12 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 04:35.21 | grendal_prime | fkn frustrating really |
| 04:35.42 | grendal_prime | for about 5 seconds...every time it happens..the entire server..sort of hangs there..doing nada |
| 04:36.14 | Wyzard | http://grokbase.com/topic/2006/04/14/curious-udp-packets/k__7BLaFTtt91kimo4e28dFapOg |
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| 04:40.14 | s14ck | hi |
| 04:40.14 | apt | hey, s14ck |
| 04:40.34 | s14ck | i have a trouble with Xen in lenny |
| 04:40.48 | s14ck | on the boot is not work |
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| 04:41.55 | cast | well it is 'testing' |
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| 04:43.25 | s14ck | yes, but this .deb is broken? |
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| 04:43.55 | bakkal | Good day to you guys, where can I find the source code of the standard unix commands like `top` for example? |
| 04:44.15 | s14ck | im talking about of the linux image for xen |
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| 04:45.58 | markybob | bakkal, for top `apt-get source procps` |
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| 04:46.09 | bakkal | thanks markybob |
| 04:46.09 | apt | de rien, bakkal |
| 04:47.04 | s14ck | apt, some idea for my problem with xen? |
| 04:47.06 | cast | s14ck: you need to explain the problem better. boot not work? so what? grub? linux? initrd issue? |
| 04:47.24 | cast | s14ck: does dom0 work and domU doesn't? |
| 04:47.39 | markybob | s14ck, apt is a bot |
| 04:47.47 | s14ck | lol |
| 04:47.50 | cast | there is a debian-xen channel, too. |
| 04:47.59 | s14ck | thank you |
| 04:47.59 | apt | no problem, s14ck |
| 04:48.32 | streuner | somebody should tell Tim that feature is annoying |
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| 04:49.00 | markybob | streuner, feel free :P |
| 04:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in easy-listening mode? |
| 04:49.51 | Obligatory | My subtitles in 'mplayer' look jaggy. I RTFM, but it's too much and lacks examples. From the command line, how can I make them smooth? |
| 04:49.55 | streuner | dondelelcaro: Did you already talk with Tim about (apt, answer to all thanks in #debian)? |
| 04:50.24 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Are you using mplayer fullscreen? |
| 04:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it apparently also answered to "good day" |
| 04:50.31 | markybob | "apt" in general is annoying. all we need is dpkg |
| 04:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hi |
| 04:50.39 | apt | que tal, cutmeownthroat |
| 04:50.40 | Obligatory | Wyzard, yes, full screen. |
| 04:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | see? |
| 04:50.50 | streuner | hm |
| 04:50.55 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Video players often apply subtitles before scaling, so the subtitles get stretched along with the rest of the picture, to fill the screen |
| 04:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | the safe mode is off |
| 04:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | so whenever someone hits a keyword... |
| 04:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | forget about thank you |
| 04:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm :) |
| 04:51.30 | streuner | great |
| 04:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously not listening to everything |
| 04:52.13 | markybob | i dont see the point to apt. it's a spamming bitch |
| 04:52.16 | Obligatory | Wyzard, so? 'tvtime' does full screen with nice anti-aliased text, therefore it can be done. Are you saying 'mplayer' can't do it? |
| 04:52.54 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Evidently it doesn't, if you're seeing scaling artifacts on your subtitles |
| 04:53.12 | s14ck | cast, i was installed linux-image for xen, but this not booting ok |
| 04:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, the point of having more than one bot is to still have a bot when the mainly used one fails, i think... it's just not usual that it reacts to everything |
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| 04:53.55 | Obligatory | Wyzard, this evidence isn't conclusive; it might be that 'mplayer' can do it, but doesn't by default. |
| 04:54.17 | cast | s14ck: so...whats the error? |
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| 04:54.47 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Could be; I never asserted that mplayer definitely cannot |
| 04:55.13 | Obligatory | Wyzard, though as a kludge I suppose I could restart X in a lower res, but it'd be good to know how to do it at any res. |
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| 04:55.52 | Wyzard | Obligatory: hmm... I'm watching a video with softsubs now and the subtitles are drawn at fullscreen resolution, not scaled |
| 04:55.54 | Shadow_mil | http://blog.rominet.net/2008/05/debianopenssl-debacle.html |
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| 04:56.21 | s14ck | cast, z10n:/# xend |
| 04:56.21 | s14ck | WARING! Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs! |
| 04:56.47 | Wyzard | Obligatory: ...actually, I might be wrong; the video's native resolution isn't much smaller than my monitor so it's hard to tell |
| 04:57.14 | Obligatory | Wyzard, well thanks for the feedback. I get the idea from looking around the web, as well as the general tenor of the man page, that 'mplayer' can do most anything with fonts. What I don't see is good one liners to show how it's done in one easy Debian style cut n' paste... |
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| 04:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... as it's the "debian debacle"... means this is a debian-specific bug, I guess? |
| 04:57.45 | Wyzard | Obligatory: After looking more closely, I think it's scaling the subtitles after all (though it's still hard to tell) |
| 04:57.54 | s14ck | cast, i belive that is about the image... so, this linux image for xen not modify the menu.lst file |
| 04:58.06 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: If you're talking about the OpenSSL thing, yes, that's Debian-specific |
| 04:58.23 | centrx | CutMeOwnThroat, If you are talking about the ssl bug, yes, it is specific to Debian (and therefore Debian-based distributions) |
| 04:58.29 | Obligatory | Wyzard, another question if you're up to it. So far I can't even change the font... there are options to change fonts, but none of 'em work -- or rather none of my invocations have worked. |
| 04:58.59 | centrx | CutMeOwnThroat, It should also help you understand by the fact that two separate people who did not really know what you are talking about knew exactly what you meant by "debian debacle" |
| 04:59.02 | cast | s14ck: pastebin your grub menu.lst |
| 04:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I was talking about that (sorry - I looked at the url from Shadow_mil, and took that as "context" to the question) |
| 04:59.09 | Wyzard | Obligatory: I've never done anything with fonts in mplayer, sorry |
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| 04:59.51 | Obligatory | Wyzard, some of my home theater audience needs 'em. (Hearing loss) |
| 05:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | "<Shadow_mil> http://blog.rominet.net/2008/05/debianopenssl-debacle.html" |
| 05:00.07 | s14ck | cast, the lines of the aim to the xen linux image, is not there |
| 05:00.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I shouldn't have omitted the "openssl" part :) |
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| 05:00.36 | cast | s14ck: is a xen image actually installed? |
| 05:00.38 | s14ck | cast, the menu.lst is the same all time... i dont know why |
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| 05:00.45 | msshams | my apache2 processes have very high load. how can i find problem? i don't know that this problem is for mysql or php apps or apache... please help me |
| 05:00.59 | Obligatory | Duh... is there an 'mplayer' IRC ? |
| 05:00.59 | s14ck | cast, sure... yes, it is |
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| 05:01.37 | cast | msshams: php&mysql issue i imagine :P |
| 05:02.10 | cast | s14ck: well, dunno how to fix your grub automagic not working. at this point i'd just add the entry by hand/ |
| 05:02.12 | msshams | cast: how can i find problem? |
| 05:02.54 | pola | hello |
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| 05:03.11 | cast | msshams: nfi. |
| 05:03.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice though, it mad it all the way into etch... nearly a year later |
| 05:04.11 | poseidon | Wow, for the first time I was briefly ashamed of linux. I just found out about ubuntu Muslim and Christian edition |
| 05:04.36 | s14ck | cast, i make update-grub but it not work, after i make by hand and the same result :s |
| 05:04.36 | markybob | poseidon, that would be #debian-offtopic |
| 05:05.42 | Obligatory | Aha, there IS an #mplayer channel, well I'm off.. |
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| 05:06.02 | alaya__ | hi ppl |
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| 05:09.08 | gloin | Weird - upgraded to lenny, and libapache-mod-php5 has broken deps (supposed to use libapache-mod-php5.0 now), but I can't find a php5.0-mysql package anywhere, only php5-mysql, which isn't compatible with the newer mod-php5.0 |
| 05:09.15 | gloin | what gives? |
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| 05:09.31 | msshams | i use sarge. if i change apt/sources.list and put etch repositories on it, and update my debian it upgrade to etch? |
| 05:09.49 | markybob | !tell msshams about etch->lenny |
| 05:10.19 | gloin | !tell me about etch->lenny |
| 05:11.00 | gloin | hrm |
| 05:11.05 | gloin | not really helpful |
| 05:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | poseidon: great, so the muslim version has "additional muslim software" like... a web content filtering utility. Well done |
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| 05:11.36 | msshams | markybob: my debian is a server, is this true that upgrade it to lenny? |
| 05:12.01 | markybob | msshams, it's true. it doesnt make it wise to upgrade a server to a non-stable distro |
| 05:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell gloin about selftell |
| 05:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:12.31 | gloin | very funny ;) |
| 05:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you obviously needed that info |
| 05:12.52 | msshams | markybob: so i must upgrade it to etch? |
| 05:12.56 | poseidon | !tell me about selftell |
| 05:13.10 | poseidon | !tell poseidon about selftell |
| 05:13.15 | gloin | he dunno about php5.0-mysql anyhow |
| 05:13.41 | markybob | msshams, sorry, i misread. really you just swap the distro name and update/upgrade. that's it |
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| 05:18.15 | msshams | markybob: thank you. also my apache 2 in other etch server, has very high load. do you have any idea that why this is happened? |
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| 05:18.43 | gloin | emailed the package maintainer |
| 05:19.25 | markybob | msshams, i wouldnt know. try #apache |
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| 05:20.12 | msshams | markybob: and so, when i upgrade from sarge to etch, my qmail doesn't work do you think? |
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| 05:20.40 | markybob | msshams, i'm amazed you still use qmail. |
| 05:20.45 | Guerin | msshams: you'll need to rebuiild qmail and all its components, yes |
| 05:21.00 | Guerin | which makes it a perfect opportunity to convert to something else |
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| 05:21.12 | markybob | i literally havent used qmail since 1996 |
| 05:21.22 | gloin | wonder what time of day dexter checks his email |
| 05:21.24 | Guerin | last used it in 2003 |
| 05:21.43 | markybob | Guerin, i feel for you |
| 05:22.09 | dutchfish | i am still using qmail for special purposes |
| 05:22.09 | Guerin | markybob: i was yet young in the ways of free software |
| 05:22.10 | pinto3 | dexter's laboratory, hey, now that is funny |
| 05:22.24 | hoxu | !marry Guerin and markybob |
| 05:22.24 | dpkg | Guerin, do you take markybob to be your lawfully wedded spouse? markybob, do you take Guerin? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 05:22.25 | pinto3 | ^ cartoon i used to watch |
| 05:22.27 | Guerin | dutchfish: you have my condolences now |
| 05:22.59 | markybob | could be worse. i think him and i are probably the biggest ass-holes in here. at least we have that in common :P |
| 05:23.02 | dutchfish | Guerin, ;) |
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| 05:23.21 | Guerin | markybob: yeah, all the others turned wussy on us |
| 05:24.12 | dutchfish | qmail paches for honeypot systems, the code has a small footprint and is fast |
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| 05:24.30 | Guerin | hm |
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| 05:24.41 | Guerin | that might actually be a legitimate use for qmail |
| 05:24.47 | Guerin | not as a MTA, i mean |
| 05:24.52 | msshams | markybob: why you are amazed? for qmail? |
| 05:25.33 | markybob | because qmail is an unyielding piece of madness. it reminds me of bsdi...not to mention it's not free |
| 05:25.58 | dutchfish | qmail is becoming free soon, or it is already |
| 05:26.49 | msshams | markybob: i have very domain with very accounts that use very high. can you recommend replacement of qmail? |
| 05:26.52 | dutchfish | bernstein has dropped it, rumours are |
| 05:27.01 | msshams | for qmail |
| 05:27.15 | markybob | msshams, i use postfix on all my production boxes. that's my personal preference |
| 05:27.38 | dutchfish | postfix |
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| 05:28.12 | msshams | markybob: do you work in big business with postfix untill now? |
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| 05:28.41 | markybob | msshams, i'd like to think so :P i own a consulting company (dipconsultants.com) |
| 05:29.09 | dutchfish | but the need for a pure MTA is decreasing, most of the time some form of spam protection is need along, preferable separated |
| 05:29.11 | msshams | markybob: can i run a mail server with all equipments with postfix? |
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| 05:29.27 | markybob | msshams, i'm not sure what you mean by that |
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| 05:31.28 | msshams | markybob: i say before that our company use very very domains and accounts that use very high. i need to a mail server, webmail, pop3, smtp, spam filtering, antivirus and... can postfix provide all of this equipments for me? |
| 05:31.45 | dutchfish | msshams, yes |
| 05:31.57 | dutchfish | msshams, but it costs more cycles |
| 05:32.36 | msshams | dutchfish: and can you please tell me, can i move our accounts and all email from qmail to postfix? |
| 05:32.54 | dutchfish | msshams, it can be done, but its a hassle to do |
| 05:33.00 | markybob | msshams, but you would use different packages. spamassassin for spam, clamav for virus, squirelmail for webmail, etc |
| 05:33.25 | dutchfish | not to mention amavisnew |
| 05:33.34 | msshams | markybob: tell me please, can i move our accounts and all emails from qmail to postfix? |
| 05:33.57 | markybob | i dont see why you wouldnt be able to |
| 05:33.57 | valdyn | such a weird question |
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| 05:35.35 | dutchfish | msshams, it all depends on your needs, webmail, workgroup solution, imap, imaps etc etc |
| 05:35.45 | msshams | dutchfish: compile and use qmail with all equipment is very hard, is work with postfix hard too? |
| 05:36.00 | dutchfish | msshams, qmail is easy |
| 05:36.19 | msshams | dutchfish: i don't think |
| 05:36.22 | markybob | msshams, for example http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
| 05:36.23 | dutchfish | msshams, postfix is easy too, but the MTA is just a part of the solution |
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| 05:37.15 | Dewi | bashisms in scripts are considered poor form, right? |
| 05:37.24 | dutchfish | msshams, postfix is however much easier to maintain |
| 05:37.26 | msshams | dutchfish: all postifx dependencies are open source? |
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| 05:37.34 | markybob | msshams, yes |
| 05:37.37 | valdyn | Dewi: why? in which context? |
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| 05:37.55 | dutchfish | msshams, yes, but there are non-opensource solutions too, like zarafa |
| 05:38.00 | Dewi | valdyn: in the context that not everyone uses bash |
| 05:38.15 | Dewi | valdyn: but I'm not sure how to write "generic" scripts... is there documentation, some way to test...? |
| 05:38.25 | valdyn | Dewi: some software needs to be portable, some does not |
| 05:38.46 | markybob | who doesnt use bash? fedora, suse, ubuntu, centos...all use bash as default |
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| 05:38.55 | msshams | markybob: and can i update all postfix dependencies with apt-get? |
| 05:38.56 | Dewi | markybob: solaris, bsd, windows... |
| 05:39.16 | markybob | Dewi, ah, true. i dont usually think about those :P |
| 05:39.20 | dutchfish | msshams, yes, normally, unless you wrote your own extensions |
| 05:39.40 | markybob | msshams, yep, it's all in debian's repositories |
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| 05:39.46 | Dewi | markybob: I probably don't *need* the bashisms 90% of the time |
| 05:39.56 | valdyn | Dewi: no idea, use dash to test |
| 05:40.01 | Dewi | markybob: and I thought there was some debian policy these days about keeping them out of official scripts... |
| 05:40.17 | msshams | markybob: thank you my friend. |
| 05:40.19 | msshams | dutchfish: thank you my friend. |
| 05:40.20 | markybob | Dewi, i wouldnt know. try the devel mailing list |
| 05:40.26 | Dewi | valdyn: testing everything twice sucks |
| 05:40.34 | valdyn | Dewi: once, just in dash |
| 05:40.37 | Dewi | valdyn: and even then would I be sure ksh would work the same way? |
| 05:40.48 | dutchfish | msshams, if you serious about this run a test with it and delve into its merits, thats the best way to learn (in a non production envirenment) |
| 05:40.53 | grendal_prime | ya and its an exponentially higher kinda suckage as well |
| 05:40.53 | valdyn | Dewi: is ksh posix compliant? |
| 05:41.24 | grendal_prime | its not just like 2wice the suckage..its more like 25 times the suckage. |
| 05:41.36 | Dewi | valdyn: according to wikipedia dash is the /bin/sh in ubuntu and "probably lenny" |
| 05:41.51 | valdyn | Dewi: ah, I didnt know that |
| 05:42.00 | Dewi | valdyn: so it does sound like bashism are being phased out, where possible |
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| 05:42.01 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, hey man get that vid card workin? |
| 05:42.10 | grendal_prime | no |
| 05:42.11 | Dewi | valdyn: all bashisms now are meant to have a bash-specific shebang |
| 05:42.23 | valdyn | Dewi: a bashism in a debian init script has been a bug for a long time |
| 05:42.32 | markybob | Dewi, no. i'm sure ubuntu uses bash |
| 05:42.37 | Dewi | valdyn: so anyway... "posix shell" is what I'm looking for for reference material etc, right? |
| 05:42.38 | grendal_prime | I would up giving the machine to someone else..im ordering one of the inspirons with preinstalled ubuntu on it. |
| 05:42.42 | msshams | dutchfish: can i use yahoo domainkeys in postfix |
| 05:42.42 | msshams | ? |
| 05:42.45 | valdyn | Dewi: yes |
| 05:42.45 | grendal_prime | wound up that is |
| 05:42.53 | Dewi | markybob: according to wikipedia ubuntu /bin/sh is dash since 6.10 |
| 05:43.09 | Dewi | markybob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh |
| 05:43.20 | dutchfish | msshams, http://jason.long.name/dkfilter/ |
| 05:43.22 | grendal_prime | the other guy that got one is getting back from training tomorro..he says he will have it working by monday..i told him good luck |
| 05:43.23 | Dewi | markybob: login shell is still bash of course |
| 05:44.02 | grendal_prime | Lagbolt: i think it may have something to do with the fact that it is a 64bit machine but i was only running a 32 bit version of debian on it. |
| 05:44.05 | Dewi | markybob: also on that page ``The Debian policy manual has long mandated that "shell scripts specifying '/bin/sh' as interpreter must only use POSIX features" '' |
| 05:44.07 | markybob | Dewi, see, what we have here is a failure to communicate ;) |
| 05:44.21 | grendal_prime | but i dont know..do you think that would do it? |
| 05:44.22 | markybob | you're right |
| 05:44.24 | Lagbolt | grendal_prime, you running 32bit os? i run 32bit on my 64bit machines no prob |
| 05:44.34 | Lagbolt | long as you run 32 bit nvidia |
| 05:44.39 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i thought to. |
| 05:44.39 | Lagbolt | did you download 32bit or 64? |
| 05:44.46 | grendal_prime | 32bit |
| 05:44.48 | Dewi | markybob: which sounds reasonable to me, I just have no idea how to practically change my style to use posix only... but sounds like testing against dash and reading a manual that says 'posix' is probably a good start :) |
| 05:45.08 | Lagbolt | hmm couldnt get proprietary driver working i take it? |
| 05:45.10 | Dewi | valdyn / markybob : thanks for your help... I'm off to find posix shell reference material |
| 05:45.52 | grendal_prime | his argument is that they offer the same machine with redhat linux preinstalled. but i dont know.. |
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| 05:46.13 | dutchfish | msshams, actually there is nothing postfix or its addons cant do, but be wise on implementing them carefully |
| 05:46.39 | grendal_prime | im not going to run redhat linux...they have all these "redhat" tools that well dont apply to any other linux distro. |
| 05:46.58 | Dewi | also redhat sucks and is broken |
| 05:47.04 | dutchfish | msshams, delve into amavisdnew and milter |
| 05:48.03 | grendal_prime | the main thing is i dont have time right now to dink with drivers...we gave it a good run for its money..screw it ill take the preinstalled ubuntu(debian varriant) with technical support anyday now that its available. |
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| 05:49.42 | Dewi | grendal_prime: it feels much better to have canonical reviewing the code and making sure nothing goes wrong with the crypto |
| 05:49.47 | Dewi | oh, wait, that doesn't help at all |
| 05:50.04 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, there is no room for lazy admins, and GUI's and support wont give you knowledge |
| 05:50.15 | tomfmason | I am having a hell of a time getting my system to boot. It is a new laptop that came with vista. Anyways I went through the initial install process and created three partitions / /boot and swap. The grub installer picked up my windows install and said that it installed sucessfully but it wont boot. |
| 05:50.43 | Dewi | doesn't understand the ubuntu argument for servers tho... ubuntu's strengths are GUIs and driver support, neither of which apply |
| 05:50.55 | grendal_prime | and its not like a got the shitty inspiron. This one has dual duo's and 4 gigs of ram (supported nvidia) card video cam, i mean hell..i can always just put lenny on the damn thing. the main thing is i know the hdware is supported. |
| 05:51.10 | tomfmason | I assume my mbr is fubared |
| 05:51.21 | grendal_prime | what do you mean by that dutchfish? |
| 05:51.22 | Dewi | tomfmason: "won't boot" |
| 05:51.30 | Dewi | tomfmason: how far does it get, what message do you see? |
| 05:51.54 | Dewi | tomfmason: there's more to booting than mbrs |
| 05:52.05 | tomfmason | It doesn't get anywere. It tries the other boot methods available. |
| 05:52.18 | tomfmason | e.g disk network etc |
| 05:52.19 | Dewi | tomfmason: so can you still boot windows? |
| 05:52.24 | tomfmason | no |
| 05:52.34 | Dewi | tomfmason: hmm |
| 05:52.49 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, i mean exactly what is said, if you run into trouble only knowledge will give you the ability to fix it, no gui will help with that no mather what you are running, so i prefer stability and security, thats why i prefer debian |
| 05:53.05 | Dewi | tomfmason: I would have expected your MBR to be either untouched, in which case it would still boot right into windows, or have grub, which should boot one or more OSes or fail with a message... |
| 05:53.14 | Dewi | tomfmason: I dunno how you'd get to the drive just not booting |
| 05:54.23 | Dewi | tomfmason: unless grub can't find all of itself... I don't think it fits in 512 bytes |
| 05:54.45 | Dewi | tomfmason: but no matter how badly I've broken my boot process (and I do, regularly) grub always gives me a message... so I dunno |
| 05:54.49 | Dewi | anyway, bbl |
| 05:56.08 | tomfmason | I assumed my mbr was fubared so I stuck the disk back in. Then when I got the network option pressed alt-f2. Which loaded the shell. I then mount /dev/sda5 /mnt (sda5 is the root) then chroot mnt. Then I loaded grub and did root (hd0,5) setup (hd0) |
| 05:56.15 | tomfmason | then rebooted |
| 05:56.18 | tomfmason | same thing |
| 05:56.28 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, on the other hand (also i dont like it) i must admit ubuntu is a great step in for newby linux users on the desktop, but i use mainly servers side solution so debian is my first choice |
| 05:57.00 | tomfmason | /dev/sda6 is /boot |
| 05:57.28 | grendal_prime | well so do I dutchfish but if i buy a laptop with a video card in it that i have to spend 4 days compiling drivers for it that never seem to work. In the mean time the 2 companys that im trying to write code for are waiting for me to deliver patchs and fixes. i mean wtf. Basically i know if it will rund ubuntu on it i can run debian testing on it..maybe throw some unstable packages in there for something really new.. |
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| 05:58.27 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, that will change soon, its a mather of time as Ian said in one of his recent audits, the kernel will become more video-card friendly |
| 05:58.30 | tomfmason | I am pretty lost at this point. I didn't do a full backup before hand(I know I should have) but I have done this several times without any problems |
| 05:58.34 | msshams | dutchfish: whats your opinion about exim4? |
| 05:59.32 | dutchfish | msshams, not to bad, but i prefer postfix as a general solution, but exim4-light is good for workstations |
| 06:00.05 | grendal_prime | but the main thing is..if the company making the laptop (in this case dell because that is who the client does all there ordering from) actually offers a preinstalled distro that is debian based..i mean thats a much bigger step in the right direction. Ok that will change..like i said i got two clients..i have to work on "their machines" they want work done now.. |
| 06:00.16 | msshams | dutchfish: i have a mail server not a workstation. do you recommend postfix? can i send/receive mails with postfix? |
| 06:00.38 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, i am running debian on a lot of dell hardware myself, no problems with that |
| 06:00.51 | tomfmason | I have a really bad connection or I would download a live cd. I bought a dvd set from aboutdebian |
| 06:00.57 | dutchfish | msshams, confirmed |
| 06:01.57 | grendal_prime | and as far as a gui not being apropriate I also have to prepair flowcharts...and i liike to have (ok im a puss) editors for things like python, php, perl and bash. |
| 06:02.02 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, actually with the upcoming H2400xt support (i just bought such new optiplex) things will be alot easier |
| 06:02.28 | dutchfish | s/H2400xt/HD2400xt |
| 06:03.13 | grendal_prime | dutchfish: ok get the latest precision with the nvida 512meg video card and then fk around with the nividia supplied drivers (after all else fails) all the time watching emails comming in..."is that patch ready" |
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| 06:04.27 | grendal_prime | i dont understand what it is i said to lead you to believe that i didnt like debian...but hell man i think we are on the same team. I just have to have a linux desktop as well. |
| 06:04.29 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, i would myself not prefer nvidia, but those too will get better support in the upcoming kernels (but thats my personal opinion, not so relevant) |
| 06:04.39 | tomfmason | I don't have vista restore cd either. I have a really old xp home installation cd. I thought maybe I could get in there and fix the mbr and backup everything and then completely get rid of windows. |
| 06:05.49 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, yes, i admit, work is still needed to make it install more comfi as a desktop on newer hardware, have a look in etchandahalf also |
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| 06:06.18 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, and X has intresting development too in that direction |
| 06:07.25 | tomfmason | needs a live cd |
| 06:07.59 | tomfmason | I am thinking about downloading dsl and seeing if I can get it to fix the mbr problem |
| 06:08.00 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd-dbg |
| 06:08.15 | grendal_prime | the bigest mistake i made was l assuemed when i said "linux compatible hardware" i would get that. Instead i got a dualcore 64 bit laptop(wich never ceases to amaze me...why do we have these again) that just rolled off of a design firms desk. |
| 06:08.41 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, no idee |
| 06:09.11 | grendal_prime | i like my radeon card..i have that in the kids machine..we play tremulose on that ..its a really great card |
| 06:09.22 | grendal_prime | ati i have never had prolems with actually. |
| 06:09.34 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, for a laptop i would delve into a "green" solution myself |
| 06:10.05 | grendal_prime | although i tried to play beyond the red line the other night and that did not go over well with it. |
| 06:10.10 | grendal_prime | green ? |
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| 06:10.34 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, those powerconsuming dinosaur cpu's are on the edge of extinction |
| 06:10.45 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, ;) |
| 06:10.46 | grendal_prime | the biggest thing i need for these clients is i need to run vmware ( i use qemu but that reall is not a problem) |
| 06:11.34 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, kvm-qemu, virtualbox are also worth investigating |
| 06:11.47 | grendal_prime | well i run kqemu mostly |
| 06:11.48 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, xen |
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| 06:12.06 | grendal_prime | they have windows based appliances.... |
| 06:12.23 | grendal_prime | and sometimes i need to write things and test it on several running instances.. |
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| 06:13.02 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, then kvm-qemu is comfortable on a laptop/workstation, xen for server side tests |
| 06:13.35 | grendal_prime | i tried virtualbox but i was unable to load the images i hade made with qemu..well i didnt see an easy way to do it so i just stuck with kqemu |
| 06:14.12 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, at the top of my head they need to be converted to raw (one way ticket) |
| 06:14.26 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, not sure |
| 06:14.52 | markybob | yes, which thankfully isnt hard to do |
| 06:14.55 | grendal_prime | ya, i mean its not a big deal..kqemu is simple enough..there even a pretty snazy front end i set up for the clients when they want to use it. |
| 06:14.58 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, but why would you need? |
| 06:15.01 | markybob | sun includes a utitlity to do it with virtualbox |
| 06:15.40 | dutchfish | markybob, nice |
| 06:15.41 | ttick | okay, I upgraded my firmware on my WPC11 wifi card. But iwlist still won't scan for APs. |
| 06:15.43 | tomfmason | I will repeat what I have done so far trying to fix the mbr. root is /dev/sda5 /boot is /dev/sda6 and swamp is /dev/sda7. I entered the installation dvd and when I got to the networking dialog I hit alt f2 which loads BusyBox. I then mount /dev/sda5 /mnt then chroot /mnt. Then I loaded grub and root(hd0,5) setup (hd0) and rebooted. This does nothing and ends up searching all of the other boot methods |
| 06:15.45 | ttick | any suggestions? |
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| 06:15.49 | grendal_prime | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
| 06:16.01 | tomfmason | amy other ideas? |
| 06:16.08 | grendal_prime | why would i need virtual machines? |
| 06:16.30 | msshams | dutchfish: can you recommend me a good help for migrating from qmail to postfix? i want do it :D |
| 06:16.30 | Wyzard | tomfmason: Do you have any other hard drives besides sda? |
| 06:16.36 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, i meant why convert |
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| 06:16.41 | tomfmason | no |
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| 06:17.27 | Wyzard | tomfmason: Did you get any error messages when you ran "setup (hd0)"? |
| 06:17.37 | tomfmason | nope |
| 06:17.57 | msshams | markybob: can you recommend me a good help for migrating from qmail to postfix? i want do it : |
| 06:18.03 | grendal_prime | oh..well honestly i didnt realize how closly virtualbox and qemu were. I just installed it and started poking around...literally i didnt even man the thing..i just didnt see anything glaringly obviouse that it would use those images..(this was some time back as well) |
| 06:18.06 | Wyzard | tomfmason: and what specifically do you mean by "this does nothing and ends up searching all of the other boot methods"? |
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| 06:18.37 | grendal_prime | and then that job changed in focus and i wa working on something else anyway.. |
| 06:18.39 | markybob | dutchfish, grendal_prime i actually just finished doing benchmarks on virtualbox, kvm and vmware. feel free to take a look http://www.dipconsultants.com/bench.ods |
| 06:18.42 | dutchfish | msshams, i would start of buying the book "the book of postfix : rolf Hilderbrandt ..." its an excellent start with postfix and addons clearly explained |
| 06:19.07 | markybob | the results surprised me, anyway :) |
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| 06:19.39 | tomfmason | When I reboot without the disk it searches all of the boot methods e.g. disk, network usb ect and ends up saying No bootable device |
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| 06:20.09 | grendal_prime | wich one handles communication via serial port without sending a crapload of wonky data instead of the actual serial data? |
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| 06:20.13 | Wyzard | markybob: I'm surprised by the huge apparent difference in I/O performance between VMware and the others |
| 06:20.18 | Neeku | hi all |
| 06:20.33 | markybob | Wyzard, me too |
| 06:21.16 | dutchfish | markybob, nice, well done, but i would want to see your setup envirenment like lvm2, ram, cpu etc etc |
| 06:21.41 | Wyzard | tomfmason: When you run the setup command in grub, you should see some messages about successfully embedding stage1.5, writing stage1, stuff like that |
| 06:21.52 | tomfmason | yes |
| 06:21.56 | markybob | dutchfish, ah. of course i just tested what i was interested in :) |
| 06:22.00 | grendal_prime | screw this im going to bed. |
| 06:22.03 | grendal_prime | hahahha |
| 06:22.06 | Neeku | yesterday i inserted a cd, then i wanted to eject it, but i got the error "no permission, a program is using this device"; i tried to stop some of the processes so that it lets me eject the cd; but system hung i restarted; since then it takes a very long time for x to load. what's the solution? |
| 06:22.32 | grendal_prime | shorten x load time |
| 06:22.39 | grendal_prime | sorry i had to say that.. |
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| 06:23.32 | Wyzard | tomfmason: and check /boot/grub/device.map (on whatever system you're running grub from to do the reinstall) and make sure (hd0) is mapped to the correct device file -- but if you only have one hard drive, it's pretty unlikely that the autodetection got the mapping wrong |
| 06:23.52 | Wyzard | tomfmason: It should say: (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 06:24.05 | tomfmason | ok I'll check |
| 06:24.24 | dutchfish | markybob, http://lwn.net/Articles/223728/ |
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| 06:24.47 | markybob | dutchfish, that's feb '07. my tests were done this week :P |
| 06:25.09 | markybob | a lot's changed in all three since |
| 06:25.10 | dutchfish | markybob, i think with the upcoming 2.6.26 kernel kvm will improve some more on speed too |
| 06:25.13 | tomfmason | Wyzard: yep it is (hd0) /dev/sda |
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| 06:25.41 | dutchfish | markybob, true but it has some nice links |
| 06:25.50 | Wyzard | tomfmason: Sounds like you did everything correctly then |
| 06:25.54 | dutchfish | markybob, lvm2? |
| 06:26.00 | msshams | i update my mail server from sarge to etch. i'm using qmail. all of qmail parts are good to. but i can't login to squirrelmail. can you please tell me why? |
| 06:26.01 | markybob | dutchfish, yes, the new virtio devices sure are nice. i'm glad to see work progress in free vm's |
| 06:26.24 | markybob | dutchfish, no |
| 06:26.28 | Wyzard | tomfmason: I wonder if maybe the BIOS just isn't able to "see" that drive for booting (maybe it's connected to an add-in controller that doesn't support booting, for example) |
| 06:26.35 | dutchfish | markybob, vitio is still not ready and plagued by bugs 2.6.25 virtio has almost completed |
| 06:26.41 | tomfmason | hmm |
| 06:26.43 | msshams | i update my mail server from sarge to etch. i'm using qmail. all of qmail parts are good to. but i can't login to squirrelmail. can you please tell me why? |
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| 06:27.16 | dutchfish | markybob, xen accelerates on lvm2 when properly configured |
| 06:27.17 | Neeku | yesterday i inserted a cd, then i wanted to eject it, but i got the error "no permission, a program is using this device"; i tried to stop some of the processes so that it lets me eject the cd; but system hung i restarted; since then it takes a very long time for x to load. what's the solution? |
| 06:27.37 | Wyzard | tomfmason: Look up directions for creating a GRUB bootable CD |
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| 06:27.57 | Wyzard | tomfmason: Boot that, and run "chainloader (hd0)+1" on it |
| 06:28.19 | dutchfish | markybob, but some intresting times are coming to us :) |
| 06:28.38 | Wyzard | tomfmason: That'll load GRUB from your MBR; if that works, then the problem is something with your BIOS, and if it doesn't, maybe you'll get some more insight into the problem |
| 06:28.48 | markybob | dutchfish, sure hope so :) i'm a kvm user myself |
| 06:29.08 | dutchfish | markybob, last q, on what kernel you did run the tests? |
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| 06:29.59 | markybob | dutchfish, host was 2.6.25.3 and guests were 2.6.25-1-686 on sid |
| 06:30.12 | dutchfish | markybob, ok, nice |
| 06:30.25 | lvlefisto | Is there any Free Software Antivirus to download using apt? |
| 06:30.56 | dutchfish | markybob, when virtio is ready in 2.6.26 i want those to see again ;) |
| 06:31.34 | markybob | dutchfish, i'll probably test them again. vm is becoming pretty important to my job. i'll msg you when i finish them |
| 06:31.50 | tomfmason | Wyzard: thanks.. I am looking into that now |
| 06:31.54 | dutchfish | markybob, for me too, that would be great! |
| 06:32.10 | tomfmason | I have a really bad connection or I would have already downloaded a live cd |
| 06:32.16 | markybob | dutchfish, np |
| 06:33.05 | dutchfish | markybob, are you still using floppys? |
| 06:33.19 | markybob | dutchfish, no :) |
| 06:33.54 | dutchfish | markybob, ok |
| 06:33.54 | pat5star | lvlefisto: clamav |
| 06:33.54 | lvlefisto | clamav isn't just for mail server? |
| 06:34.12 | dutchfish | !info clamav etch |
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| 06:34.33 | dpkg | clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.90.1dfsg-3etch9 (etch), Packaged size: 835 kB, Installed size: 1260 kB |
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| 06:34.43 | pat5star | lvlefisto: not sure, haven't used it for anything other than just my mail server, but out of curiosity, if you are running debian, why do you want anti virus? |
| 06:34.50 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 06:34.50 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
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| 06:37.09 | pat5star | lvlefisto: the only reason I run antivirus on my linux box is to quarantine virus to/from windows boxes, I don't worry about my linux boxes being infected. If I understood better what you are doing I may have a suggestion for you |
| 06:38.28 | msshams | my server upgrade from sarge to etch now. but my bash doesn't update. e.g. my auto complete for apt-get can't work fine!! can you help me? |
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| 06:39.09 | markybob | msshams, maybe if you tell us why it cant upgrade. is there an error? did you use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 06:39.28 | msshams | markybob: apt-get |
| 06:39.33 | markybob | msshams, did you use dist-upgrade or upgrade? |
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| 06:40.06 | msshams | markybob: for example if i type apt-get and click on tab for auto complete it types apt-get install.sh !!!! |
| 06:40.16 | msshams | markybob: dist-upgrade |
| 06:40.20 | markybob | msshams, try aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 06:40.40 | dutchfish | !sarge->etch |
| 06:40.51 | msshams | markybob: it say No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 06:41.00 | lvlefisto | pat5star: i found once a source code for an applet for the panel. I built it and installed it and my system got unoperable. |
| 06:41.05 | msshams | !sarge->etch |
| 06:41.24 | markybob | msshams, ...and? any held back/not upgraded? maybe you're just done |
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| 06:41.47 | pars | !turk |
| 06:41.47 | dpkg | well, turk is #debian.tr |
| 06:42.05 | dutchfish | msshams, what does cat /etc/debian_version tell you? |
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| 06:42.28 | pars | türkçe bilen var mı kanalda |
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| 06:43.04 | pat5star | lvlefisto: I see. I doubt you will find antivirus will help you with any script or source package you run/build on linux though. You should look the source over or verify (md5sum) the package you are going to run on linux, and never run it as root. That's about the best you could do |
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| 06:43.34 | lvlefisto | pat5star: right, i understand. Thanks! |
| 06:44.05 | pat5star | lvlefisto: I'm hoping you just got a buggy script and not somthing malicious that someone targeted at linux! |
| 06:44.19 | lvlefisto | thanks |
| 06:44.19 | apt | lvlefisto: sure thing |
| 06:44.25 | msshams | dutchfish: 4.0 |
| 06:44.40 | dutchfish | msshams, thats etch |
| 06:45.02 | msshams | dutchfish: when apt-get tell me do you want to overwrite new conf file for bash? i say no!! |
| 06:45.29 | msshams | dutchfish: now, how can i fix this problem that bash reconfigure again? |
| 06:45.36 | dutchfish | msshams, then you have manual edits to it in the past |
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| 06:46.22 | pat5star | msshams: in cases like that, I open a shell and backup my old config files, then accept the package maintainers new config file. After install, I examine both and merge the old stuff I want to keep |
| 06:46.23 | dutchfish | msshams, backup it, and let it overwrite, compare and manual edit it later (thats how i would solve it) |
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| 06:47.01 | markybob | msshams, in case you're new to comparing conf files, diff -u foo1 foo2 |
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| 06:48.17 | msshams | dutchfish: now, update is finished. how can i overwrite new conf file? |
| 06:48.34 | dutchfish | msshams, as pat5star told you |
| 06:49.14 | msshams | pat5star: now, update is finished. how can i overwrite new conf file? |
| 06:49.22 | msshams | for bash |
| 06:50.54 | markybob | !confmiss |
| 06:50.54 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 06:52.02 | neoark | does debian kernel support VMware VMI ? |
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| 06:52.42 | markybob | neoark, not directly...but when you configure vmware, it compiles in vmi |
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| 06:53.11 | neoark | configure vmware ? |
| 06:53.18 | neoark | u mean vmtools ? |
| 06:53.29 | markybob | vmware-config.pl |
| 06:53.58 | Wyzard | VMI is something that goes in the guest, not the host, I believe |
| 06:54.18 | neoark | yeh |
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| 06:54.25 | jim | you can't have guest hosts? |
| 06:54.26 | neoark | i am running debian as guest |
| 06:54.37 | levon | i am running inside a sqfs system right now if i add packages to the system, Lets just say kde will the sqfs be compressed again after i exit? |
| 06:55.06 | levon | so im inside sqfs if i apt-get install kde will the sqfs compress again? |
| 06:56.13 | Wyzard | levon: "sqfs" is apparently a file extension for a SquashFS filesystem image... are you talking about SquashFS? |
| 06:56.18 | jim | under what conditions does the documentation for sqfs say that it compresses? |
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| 06:56.26 | Wyzard | levon: SquashFS is read-only |
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| 06:56.42 | markybob | neoark, try #vmware |
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| 06:57.59 | PiousMinion | I'm having a very strange apt issue where a package simply "disappears" from the apt cache. I have all the commands issued and their output here. --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1020841 |
| 06:58.59 | DawnLigh1 | i want debian to be a good desktop! |
| 06:59.03 | markybob | PiousMinion, do you know who i am? just curious :) |
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| 06:59.11 | levon | wyzard |
| 06:59.21 | levon | im in chmod |
| 06:59.32 | levon | wait something like that a ch enviornment |
| 06:59.38 | Wyzard | You mean chroot |
| 06:59.40 | dutchfish | markybob, i just did some benchmarks myself on xen and kvm-qemu (i have them to work out in nice graphs) running on lvm2 and latency top compiled in, 2.6.25.3, performance on xen accelerates as expected, but vmware is hogging on i/o as latency top reports, kvm-qemu comes second here on disk writes, latest virtio patch, i have to delve into this further |
| 06:59.44 | levon | yeah |
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| 06:59.59 | PiousMinion | markybob: the word "curious" gives me an idea, but I doubt you are who I think you might not be. lol |
| 07:00.05 | Wyzard | levon: but that doesn't mean anything by itself... what did you chroot to? |
| 07:00.06 | cast | dutchfish: so what kind of differences in performance did you get? |
| 07:00.13 | markybob | PiousMinion, head developer of deluge :) try apt-get remove deluge-torrent-common deluge-torrent ...then download the deb package from our site. dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 07:00.16 | dutchfish | cast, xen comes out on top |
| 07:00.34 | markybob | PiousMinion, also, try #deluge to stay on topic |
| 07:00.36 | cast | by how much? 10%? 50%? |
| 07:00.43 | levon | wyzard but better i have the sqfs on my hard drive and i booted to it through grub eventually i want to wipe my whole system and just leave the grub boot loader and load into the squash system |
| 07:00.53 | PiousMinion | markybob: thanks, brt |
| 07:01.17 | dutchfish | cast, vmware is hogging i/o too much, have to delve into that further |
| 07:01.17 | markybob | dutchfish, interesting |
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| 07:01.35 | levon | so im working in a sqfs and adding stuff to it all i would like to know is if i add stuff to it will it get compressed again and again |
| 07:01.43 | dutchfish | markybob, next time use latency top along, intresting outcome |
| 07:01.57 | Wyzard | levon: You cannot add things to a mounted SquashFS |
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| 07:02.11 | levon | wyzard but i am |
| 07:02.16 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? I just tried to install Debian Testing and when I try to boot the PC it sits at the word "GRUB" in the upper left corner. This also happened to me with another distro so it isn't Debian specific. I have two HDDs, one IDE and one SATA. I set up the partitions with LVM with one hard drive as its own VolGroup and the other drive as its own VolGroup and separated into 4 partitions. What is causing this problem? |
| 07:02.23 | levon | i added this xchat through apt-get |
| 07:02.34 | levon | and im typing on it as we speak |
| 07:02.54 | levon | so if i boot out of here then xchat will be gone? |
| 07:03.31 | Wyzard | levon: Overlaying a tmpfs on top of a squashfs is a common trick used by liveCDs -- any files you create or modify are actually stored in the tmpfs and will be lost when you reboot |
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| 07:03.53 | levon | aww okay so is there a way i can modify this? |
| 07:03.55 | Wyzard | levon: That sounds like what you might be using, but you've said nothing about where this bootable squashfs came from so I really have no idea what you're working with |
| 07:04.08 | Wyzard | levon: No, SquashFS is a read-only filesystem by design |
| 07:04.16 | levon | hmm |
| 07:04.24 | DawnLigh1 | firebird619: i've no experience with booting from lvm but another comment: why testing and not stable? |
| 07:05.03 | levon | im trying to make it so i can add stuff, the whole idea is to be able to run a system out of sqfs then have it recompress when adding stuff to it making it the most ideal system. |
| 07:05.05 | firebird619 | DawnLigh1: I am using it as a Desktop system and prefer a little more up-to-date programs and so forth. |
| 07:05.22 | levon | brb let me see if xchat disappears when i boot out |
| 07:05.34 | Wyzard | firebird619: You can have your root filesystem on LVM, but your /boot needs to be on a plain partition |
| 07:05.51 | dutchfish | firebird619, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/lvm2faq.html |
| 07:06.13 | firebird619 | Wyzard: I have the /boot on a plain ext3 partition |
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| 07:06.41 | Wyzard | firebird619: then the use of LVM is irrelevant if you're not even getting past GRUB |
| 07:07.08 | Wyzard | firebird619: It could possibly be a BIOS issue, but without knowing details that's just a guess |
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| 07:08.20 | rohan | what is this debian-openssl fiasco that i keep hearing about? |
| 07:08.29 | dutchfish | fireba11, do you have a seperate /boot in lvm2 or directly in ext3? |
| 07:08.36 | markybob | rohan, /topic |
| 07:08.49 | dutchfish | firebird619, , do you have a seperate /boot in lvm2 or directly in ext3? |
| 07:09.09 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Could it be at all because I have the two drives one IDE and one SATA or wouldn't that matter. Could it be trying to boot from the wrong hard drive, I know it would only let me create the boot partition on the IDE drive when I tried installing Fedora. |
| 07:09.17 | firebird619 | dutchfish: No, it is directly in ext3 |
| 07:09.28 | dutchfish | fireba11, that wont work |
| 07:09.53 | Wyzard | firebird619: That's possible; you might have an old GRUB stage1 in the MBR of some other drive and that's what ends up running when you try to boot |
| 07:10.00 | rohan | markybob: if it was due to a weakness in random number generator, why does it affect debian only? |
| 07:10.01 | dutchfish | firebird619, or / in ext3 or /boot in lvm2 |
| 07:10.11 | Wyzard | firebird619: Check your BIOS settings to make sure the drive it's booting from is the one you actually installed GRUB on |
| 07:10.17 | markybob | rohan, because it was due to a debian-only patch |
| 07:10.34 | msshams | i found problem. /etc/bash_completion can't start automatically after etch boot. how can i autostart it? |
| 07:10.35 | firebird619 | dutchfish: Well, I have used LVM in the past and I set it up now how I used to set it up and it worked fine then. |
| 07:10.41 | rohan | markybob: yes, i should've read first, sorr |
| 07:10.52 | rohan | firebird619: hi, your fedora's working fine? |
| 07:11.02 | Wyzard | rohan: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys has info too |
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| 07:11.34 | rohan | Wyzard: checking |
| 07:11.37 | firebird619 | Wyzard: I have looked in the BIOS settings and it doesn't have where I can chose specific which hard drive starts first, it only has Hard Drive on C: or something to that effect and then CD-ROM drives and then floppy. |
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| 07:12.40 | Wyzard | firebird619: BIOSes like that are annoying... check your motherboard's documentation and/or experiment, I guess |
| 07:12.40 | dutchfish | fireba11, does grub start when the drive without mbr is not connected? |
| 07:12.51 | firebird619 | rohan: No, I do not have fedora installed at all right now. Fedora gave me problems and then I decided to do a clean install and then I got this problem with it sitting at the word "GRUB" in the upper left corner and so I tried installing again with the same problem and now I tried installing Debian to see if that worked, which it doesn't. |
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| 07:14.03 | rohan | firebird619: and why isn't debian workingm? |
| 07:14.06 | firebird619 | dutchfish: I haven't tried that. I was told that that wouldn't work by disconnecting the drive in the Fedora forums because LVM would complain. Also, If I disconnect the drive without the mbr, which is the drive with my home partition, wouldn't that give me problems anyway? |
| 07:14.08 | SQLDb | is there a decent Video DVD creator for debian? |
| 07:14.11 | dutchfish | fireba11, most bioses dont like pata/sata combinations too |
| 07:14.28 | firebird619 | rohan: I am getting the same "GRUB" in the upper left corner. |
| 07:14.54 | markybob | SQLDb, depends what you mean. k3b makes video dvd's and is in debian |
| 07:14.54 | dutchfish | firebird619, of coarse but it will boot till that point past grub so you know its not your setup but prolly bios |
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| 07:15.14 | levon | yes your right wyzard :) |
| 07:15.31 | levon | okay now is there any way to make the system writable |
| 07:15.45 | rohan | firebird619: maybe your MBR or disk drive is "broken" in some way? |
| 07:16.04 | msshams | this file: "/etc/bash_completion" can't start automatically. how can i fix this problem? |
| 07:16.04 | Wyzard | firebird619: The system might not boot, but that's OK; you're just trying to force the BIOS to boot a certain drive (by disconnecting the others) to check whether the problem is the BIOS booting the wrong drive |
| 07:16.05 | msshams | this file: "/etc/bash_completion" can't start automatically. how can i fix this problem? |
| 07:16.17 | SQLDb | markybob: yeah, but, my cam for instance, takes the video in one format, and, my phone does in another, and my wifes cam in a third, I think, k3b doesen't do much towards converting those, from what I can tell (My only real experience with making DVD's in Nero, sadly :( ) |
| 07:16.57 | markybob | SQLDb, to convert formats you want to look up transcoder |
| 07:17.11 | markybob | trancode* |
| 07:17.13 | SQLDb | markybob: will do, thanks |
| 07:17.24 | firebird619 | dutchfish: Ok, I could try that and see what happens. I know too that when I tried installing Fedora, it said that VolGroup00 was already used so it started with VolGroup01. However, gparted or the system-config-lvm utility in Fedora didn't show VolGroup00 anywhere. Could that also be a problem? If so, how do I find VolGroup00 and get rid of it? |
| 07:17.34 | cast | i often use mencoder for transcoding |
| 07:17.46 | SQLDb | cast: Yeah, but, it's not installable |
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| 07:17.53 | dutchfish | firebird619, was there already lvm2 on it before ven installing debian? |
| 07:17.54 | xingu | msshams: you probably want to uncomment the relevant lines in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 07:18.00 | dutchfish | s/ven/even |
| 07:18.06 | cast | SQLDb: not even to your homedir? |
| 07:18.22 | SQLDb | cast: I meant via apt. "Package mencoder is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 07:18.28 | levon | wyzard is there a work around to make sqfs writable? |
| 07:18.37 | Wyzard | levon: no |
| 07:18.39 | cast | SQLDb: debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:18.49 | firebird619 | dutchfish: There was from the Fedora install, but in Debian I removed them and started from scratch again. |
| 07:18.56 | SQLDb | cast: oh, wow, thank you! |
| 07:19.00 | dutchfish | firebird619, ok |
| 07:19.05 | levon | this sucks my great idea of a filesystem thats always compressed is blown. |
| 07:19.08 | Wyzard | levon: It's not something that could be addressed with a "workaround": the squashfs driver completely lacks any support for modifying the contents of the filesystem |
| 07:19.39 | firebird619 | Wyzard: If it is the BIOS, how can I tell it to boot from the right drive when the BIOS settings don't have that option? |
| 07:20.04 | msshams | xingu: this is my /etc/bash.bashrc content: http://phpfi.com/317527 but doesn't work |
| 07:20.18 | Wyzard | firebird619: You could put GRUB on whichever drive the BIOS insists on booting from |
| 07:20.32 | Wyzard | firebird619: or see if there's a BIOS update available which might add some new options (though that's a long shot) |
| 07:21.17 | levon | okay maybe i can make another idea, is there any compressed filesystems that can be written to? im looking to compress a great deal :) |
| 07:21.34 | firebird619 | Wyzard: I don't think I could because when I tried installing Fedora, it would only let me create the /boot partition on the IDE drive. I clicked the SATA drive in the partition setup part of the installer and created the /boot partition but it automatically went to the IDE drive. |
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| 07:22.33 | Wyzard | levon: Why does being compressed make it "the most ideal system"? |
| 07:23.08 | Wyzard | levon: A writable compressed filesystem is complicated to implement, and having to constantly compress and decompress all disk I/O would make it slow |
| 07:23.30 | dutchfish | firebird619, is this actually debian or ubuntu? |
| 07:23.58 | levon | hmm |
| 07:24.16 | levon | well if you have a 2 gig hard drive compressed is very ideal :) |
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| 07:24.22 | firebird619 | dutchfish: It is Debian I tried to install, but I am on an Ubuntu Live CD right now. |
| 07:24.39 | levon | so the i/0 would be slow |
| 07:24.52 | dutchfish | firebird619, i have simulair issues in ubuntu, not on debian, but i dont use different drives |
| 07:24.58 | simonrvn | levon: debian will install fine on that, but don't expect to have a desktop ;) |
| 07:25.01 | rohan | 12:53 < levon> hmm |
| 07:25.02 | rohan | 12:54 < levon> well if you have a 2 gig hard drive compressed is very ideal :) |
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| 07:25.09 | msshams | this is my /etc/bash.bashrc content: http://phpfi.com/317527 but "/etc/bash_completion" can't start automatically. how can i fix this problem? |
| 07:25.13 | rohan | shit - i am sorry! damn touchpad |
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| 07:25.24 | simonrvn | i/o, not i/0, it means input/output |
| 07:25.30 | Komunist1 | hallo |
| 07:25.35 | levon | rohan i was wondering whats going on there :) |
| 07:25.42 | rohan | levon: :) |
| 07:25.44 | levon | do you have an asus too |
| 07:25.58 | rohan | nope, pretty standard non-SATA system here |
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| 07:26.20 | levon | aww my touch pad is right below the space bar an it gets in th way |
| 07:26.26 | Dewi | has anyone licensed the mac touchpads for PCs? |
| 07:26.30 | Dewi | they seem... a lot better |
| 07:26.43 | simonrvn | they've had a while to work on them ;) |
| 07:26.49 | levon | wyzard thank you for the input maybe i can think of something else |
| 07:26.50 | Dewi | although I guess the macs are intel now so it doesn't really matter |
| 07:26.57 | firebird619 | dutchfish: Well, I will try and boot with the non-mbr disk disconnected and see if it boots or what happens. I'll come back here and let you know. |
| 07:26.58 | Dewi | you can run anything |
| 07:27.07 | dutchfish | fireba11, ok |
| 07:27.08 | levon | external hard drive woot |
| 07:27.09 | simonrvn | i've seen touchpads on ooold macs from mid-90s |
| 07:27.10 | rohan | http://xkcd.com/424/ --> could someone please explain me the fedora and olpc jokes? |
| 07:27.11 | levon | :P |
| 07:27.42 | rohan | levon: my problem is, touching two keys on the touchpad == middle click, which is causing irssi to paste ;) |
| 07:27.47 | firebird619 | Thanks for everyones help so far. |
| 07:27.47 | apt | firebird619: de nada |
| 07:27.54 | dutchfish | xingu, can i pm you with an off-topic q? |
| 07:28.05 | levon | yea that could be a problem |
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| 07:28.29 | Dewi | rohan: not irssi, your terminal |
| 07:28.37 | rohan | Dewi: err, yes |
| 07:28.45 | Dewi | rohan: and the terminal can be configured to paste differently |
| 07:29.01 | Dewi | rohan: if it's a good one :) |
| 07:29.23 | rohan | Dewi: kosole + bash here |
| 07:29.30 | simonrvn | rohan: you kidding right? |
| 07:29.58 | rohan | simonrvn: heh, no |
| 07:30.07 | rohan | i actually use irssi in konsole ;) |
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| 07:30.12 | levon | aww wyzard okay how about this can sqfs read out side of the system? lets say the squash file is here /dev/sda1/squash/squashfs. Could the squashfs read here /dev/sda1/misc |
| 07:30.26 | Dewi | huh, why wouldn't you? |
| 07:30.30 | Dewi | irssi is by far the best client |
| 07:30.40 | Wyzard | levon: Those paths don't make any sense |
| 07:30.41 | Dewi | and window managers are just containers for consoles, surely |
| 07:30.46 | Wyzard | levon: /dev/sda1 is a device file, not a directory |
| 07:30.49 | Dewi | consoles and web browsers |
| 07:30.51 | rohan | simonrvn: err, i guess i misunderstood - what were you asking "you kidding right?" for? |
| 07:30.51 | levon | okay umm |
| 07:31.23 | rohan | Dewi: that's the exact setup i've got here - firefox and konsole, that's all, only 2 windows |
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| 07:31.31 | levon | sda1 is where my file systems at so i guess it would be /home/user/os/squashfs and /home/user/here |
| 07:31.35 | levon | hows that :) |
| 07:31.41 | Dewi | rohan: I jsut have firefox and putty |
| 07:31.49 | Dewi | rohan: 90% of the time :P |
| 07:31.53 | rohan | Dewi: you're on windows? |
| 07:32.05 | levon | could the squash file read /home/user/here? |
| 07:32.06 | simonrvn | rohan: the joke |
| 07:32.12 | Dewi | rohan: almost always |
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| 07:32.39 | rohan | simonrvn: oh ok.. well yes, i did not understand fedora and olpc jokes |
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| 07:32.51 | rohan | slackware too |
| 07:32.58 | Wyzard | levon: You're still not making much sense |
| 07:33.04 | levon | hmm |
| 07:33.13 | Wyzard | levon: sda1 is an ordinary filesystem, ext3 or something, right? |
| 07:33.18 | levon | yes |
| 07:33.27 | Wyzard | levon: and somewhere within it you have a squashfs file |
| 07:33.30 | levon | yes |
| 07:33.43 | Wyzard | levon: and within the squashfs file there's another entire OS that you can chroot into? |
| 07:33.45 | levon | and i booted into the squash file from the grub menu |
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| 07:34.29 | Wyzard | levon: Exactly what grub commands did you use to do that? |
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| 07:35.22 | firebird619 | Well, disconnecting the SATA drive allowed the PC to boot. Whats next to fix this issue. BIOS is no hope with its settings. How can I make the installer put the /boot partition on the right drive so that everything works well together? |
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| 07:35.33 | simonrvn | rohan: jeff goldblum is an actor, and a decoder ring is an old thing you used to find in cereal boxes, for kids' teevee shows |
| 07:36.05 | levon | umm title Cos root (hd0,0) kernel /home/user/cos/vmlinuz vga=791 root=/dev/sda1 initrd /home/user/Cos/initrd.gz |
| 07:36.23 | Wyzard | firebird619: It shouldn't really matter where the /boot partition is; what matters is which drive's MBR gets GRUB on it |
| 07:36.33 | levon | and the squash file is in Cos |
| 07:36.48 | Wyzard | levon: that's not booting into the OS within the squashfs |
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| 07:37.10 | Wyzard | levon: That's booting the OS installed on sda1, using the kernel from cos's home directory |
| 07:37.34 | levon | no no the squash file is located inside Cos too |
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| 07:37.35 | firebird619 | Wyzard: How do I specify that? I can't remember what Fedora said in the installer about where to put GRUB, but if I remember right, Debian just asked if I wanted to install the GRUB boot loader. |
| 07:38.06 | levon | umm title Cos root (hd0,0) kernel /home/user/cos/boot/vmlinuz vga=791 root=/dev/sda1 initrd /home/user/Cos/boot/initrd.gz |
| 07:38.11 | levon | there we go i left out boot |
| 07:38.31 | levon | now in Cos theres a squash file called Cos.sqfs |
| 07:39.06 | cast | i want bash to complete command line options, there a package or likewise debian way i should do that? |
| 07:39.14 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Also, is there a way to move GRUB to the other drives MBR without having to reinstall? It doesn't matter if I have to reinstall, but just a thought. |
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| 07:39.25 | Wyzard | levon: Just because there's a file there doesn't mean it has anything to do with what grub boots |
| 07:39.41 | markybob | does anyone know which CONFIG_ option in .config is used for video.ko ? |
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| 07:40.33 | Wyzard | levon: You're booting a custom kernel with a custom initrd, so maybe the initrd contains a script that loop-mounts the squashfs and chroots into it |
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| 07:40.45 | levon | yes |
| 07:40.50 | levon | :) |
| 07:41.14 | levon | the initrd is diffrent then the one in my /boot area |
| 07:41.21 | Wyzard | levon: and your goal is to have access to some other files that are stored on the writable filesystem, outside the squashfs chroot, right? |
| 07:42.04 | levon | yes so i can apt-get install xchat or some other programs and store them outside of the sqfs |
| 07:42.09 | Wyzard | levon: That would be possible by using "mount --bind" to map things from the writable filesystem into the mounted squashfs before chrooting into it |
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| 07:42.24 | levon | aww |
| 07:42.56 | Wyzard | levon: but if the process of mounting the squashfs and chrooting into it are done by the custom initrd, you might not be able to make it do custom bind-mounts in between |
| 07:43.18 | levon | i can rewrite the initrd |
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| 07:43.29 | Wyzard | levon: Then there's your answer |
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| 07:43.36 | levon | thanks wyzard |
| 07:43.36 | apt | bitte, levon |
| 07:43.43 | zythmer | markybob: Given that it's in kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko, my guess is CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO. |
| 07:43.47 | levon | bitte? |
| 07:43.50 | Wyzard | levon: btw, this custom squashfs-based system that you're booting doesn't really have anything to do with Debian |
| 07:44.02 | Wyzard | levon: It'd be more appropriate to ask whoever developed it |
| 07:44.13 | levon | yes it does i turned debian into a squashfs :) |
| 07:44.14 | Wyzard | levon: "bitte" is both "please" and "you're welcome" in German |
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| 07:44.22 | levon | aww thank you |
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| 07:44.42 | Wyzard | levon: (apt is a bot which is misconfigured to respond to people saying thanks) |
| 07:44.57 | levon | oh i see, |
| 07:45.45 | levon | wyzard thank you again for your help maybe i can upload my files some where so some people can see them. I dont know if it will be of any use though :(. |
| 07:46.48 | Wyzard | levon: No offense, but if I had a 2GB hard drive I'd buy a bigger hard drive rather than spend hours kluging something together with bind-mounts and a squashfs |
| 07:46.57 | Wyzard | Even if you get it working, it's not likely to be very maintainable |
| 07:48.03 | msshams | this is my /etc/bash.bashrc content: http://phpfi.com/317527 but "/etc/bash_completion" can't start automatically. how can i fix this problem? |
| 07:48.30 | Wyzard | msshams: What do you mean "can't start automatically"? |
| 07:49.14 | levon | :) |
| 07:49.22 | msshams | Wyzard: when i boot debian etch, i must start it. ". /etc/bash_completion" |
| 07:49.41 | levon | no offense taken im cheap :P |
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| 07:51.10 | firebird619 | Wyzard: How can I get GRUB to install to the right MBR? Is there a way to specify that in the installer? |
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| 07:51.56 | abdoreza | hi |
| 07:51.56 | apt | hello |
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| 07:52.04 | Wyzard | firebird619: I don't remember whether that's offered as a choice... I'd expect probably, but it's been awhile since I've installed Debian |
| 07:52.13 | simonrvn | apt: shaddup |
| 07:52.13 | apt | fine, be that way! |
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| 07:52.51 | abdoreza | a question |
| 07:52.54 | firebird619 | Wyzard: I had just installed Debian tonight and it asked if I wanted to install the grub boot loader but not where I wanted to put it. |
| 07:53.17 | levon | first part of the mbr |
| 07:53.36 | abdoreza | ubuntu stable or debian lenny stable |
| 07:53.54 | Wyzard | firebird619: Alt-F2 to get a shell, and you can install it manually |
| 07:54.08 | levon | then if you have any other os firebird add them to the menu.lst |
| 07:54.17 | simonrvn | !tell abdoreza -about ask |
| 07:54.46 | Wyzard | firebird619: Run "grub", and at its prompt run two commands: "root (hd0,0)" and "setup (hd0)" |
| 07:54.55 | Wyzard | fireba11: but adjust the numbers as appropriate for your system |
| 07:55.52 | firebird619 | Wyzard: How do I find out what the numbers are so that I get it right? |
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| 07:57.14 | Wyzard | fireba11: That may be a little tricky in this case since the BIOS's behavior is in question |
| 07:57.20 | Wyzard | oops, firebird619 ^^ |
| 07:57.56 | Wyzard | firebird619: The GRUB drive numbers correspond to drives in the order that the BIOS recognizes them: in particular, (hd0) is the boot drive |
| 07:58.25 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Ok. The PC is a Dell and I have the latest firmware for it A07 which was released in 2004. |
| 07:58.42 | Wyzard | firebird619: Typically everything is connected to one disk controller and the BIOS enumerates drives in the order they're connected to it, so (hd0) is /dev/sda, (hd1) is /dev/sdb, and so on |
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| 07:59.36 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Well, unless for some odd reason it changed, the SATA was sdb and IDE was sda. |
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| 07:59.42 | Wyzard | firebird619: The mapping is stored in the file /boot/grub/device.map, and it's generated automatically and is *usually* right |
| 08:00.33 | Wyzard | firebird619: but I'd want to check to make sure it's correct, and edit it if not |
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| 08:01.04 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Ok. Thanks. I will work on it tomorrow. It is 3 A.M. here and I better get going. Thanks again for your help. |
| 08:01.16 | Wyzard | firebird619: It's 4am here, actually, and I'm about to go to bed too :-) |
| 08:01.37 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Ok. Good Night and thanks again. |
| 08:01.44 | Wyzard | goodnight and good luck with it |
| 08:02.09 | firebird619 | Wyzard: Thanks. |
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| 08:03.15 | davi | Does all DVD writers work on Debian etch, or should I buy some special model? |
| 08:03.32 | Wyzard | davi: They should all work |
| 08:04.20 | Wyzard | davi: For internal (IDE/SATA) drives, all CD/DVD drives made in the past 10 years or longer use the same command set and are supported by the same driver |
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| 08:05.04 | davi | thanks Wyzard |
| 08:05.04 | apt | gern geschehen, davi |
| 08:05.19 | Wyzard | davi: USB drives work a little differently and involve some different drivers, but it's a one-size-fits-all driver situation there too |
| 08:05.56 | davi | I am going to buy one IDE based one |
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| 08:06.22 | davi | later |
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| 08:08.01 | Wyzard | davi: I'd go with a SATA one |
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| 08:08.25 | _moro_bana_ | im planning to buy a wifi router for my network, want to know if there are copatibility issues with routers |
| 08:09.15 | _moro_bana_ | compatibility* |
| 08:09.29 | _moro_bana_ | or they all work with linux? |
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| 08:11.01 | Wyzard | _moro_bana_: TCP/IP is TCP/IP... pretty much any router should work |
| 08:11.16 | cahoot | _moro_bana_: FWIW all three I've tried of different makes have benn ok with linux |
| 08:11.21 | Wyzard | 802.11 is 802.11 too |
| 08:12.11 | DDave | 1 is 1 and 2 is 2 ^^ |
| 08:12.21 | _moro_bana_ | thank you, do you know of the range fo these devices? |
| 08:12.21 | apt | no worries, _moro_bana_ |
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| 08:14.18 | _moro_bana_ | aaa found everything, googled |
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| 08:15.16 | msshams | after upgrade sarge to etch, when i try to start qmail it say: |
| 08:15.17 | msshams | qmail-send supervise not running |
| 08:15.26 | msshams | can you please help me? |
| 08:16.31 | Bushmills | _moro_bana_: i'd pick one which you can reflash with linux. regardless whether you actually do that or not (now) |
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| 08:16.50 | Bushmills | _moro_bana_: can give you extra useful capabilities |
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| 08:19.24 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: please do |
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| 08:20.37 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: i did not really understand what you wrote at first |
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| 08:23.07 | Bushmills | _moro_bana_: one can put linux on some wifi routers. (some come with linux, but one still may want to replace it). with full linux on a router, one can do interesting things with it. |
| 08:23.56 | Bushmills | so i'd pick a router with a lot of RAM and flash, and with usb ports, which is also a switch at the same time |
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| 08:26.17 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: thats what i want, what about this one: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=wifi+routers&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&cid=4957352141951701034 |
| 08:27.27 | JyZyXEL | how do you tcpdump just for the TCP data?? |
| 08:27.35 | Bushmills | _moro_bana_: many recent linksys have less flash and ram than older ones. today i'd probably look at alternatives |
| 08:27.40 | JyZyXEL | i wanna see it in hexdump |
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| 08:28.46 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, dunno about how to do that with tcpdump, but tcpick can do that |
| 08:29.01 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
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| 08:30.06 | Bushmills | _moro_bana_: check this out: http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware |
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| 08:32.19 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: why usb for a router? |
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| 08:32.48 | Bushmills | for a hard disk |
| 08:34.06 | flixil | Hello. When i modprobe ndiswrapper it doesn't create any interface, nor wifi, nor ethernet... ndiswrapper -l says hardware present. Any ideas? |
| 08:34.52 | Eulex | flixil, did you try ifconfig -a? |
| 08:35.04 | flixil | Eulex: i did... nothing new after modprobe |
| 08:36.14 | snewp | anyone using oidentd ? |
| 08:38.01 | xingu | snewp: many, many years ago |
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| 08:38.47 | snewp | xingu: do you have any idea about error: no-user .. been googling it but can't seem to find the answer |
| 08:38.51 | indio__amazonia | hi |
| 08:39.03 | indio__amazonia | i'm brazilian user debian etch |
| 08:39.53 | indio__amazonia | i'm moderator at comunityes linux! |
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| 08:43.28 | simonrvn | indio__amazonia: mind a PM? |
| 08:43.41 | indio__amazonia | pm ? |
| 08:43.51 | simonrvn | private message |
| 08:44.12 | abchirk | Hi, anyone here has gnucash? Is there a special trick to schedule some Income... I cannot schedule it to monthly or etc. he does not save it. :( verison: 2.2.4 |
| 08:44.52 | indio__amazonia | simonrvn: ok! |
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| 08:45.58 | dutchfish | snewp, maybe oidentd isnt bind to the correct ipv4 socket or binded at all |
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| 08:59.25 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: found one with usb for storage but they say it has no VPN, i thought i could set up a vpn network with any device, my intention is to create a network |
| 09:00.09 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: where we can share files from every pc |
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| 09:02.03 | alexandroos | hello |
| 09:02.03 | apt | bonjour, alexandroos |
| 09:02.15 | indio__amazonia | debian is foda! |
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| 09:03.18 | streuner_ | foda? |
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| 09:04.31 | dutchfish | sharp, critical? |
| 09:04.33 | alexandroos | how do i estimate the amount of disk space used by all my mp3's lying around my hard drives? |
| 09:05.10 | streuner_ | man du |
| 09:06.08 | alexandroos | streuner_, do i also get the total amount ? |
| 09:06.20 | Nyle | good friggin morning |
| 09:06.23 | Nyle | simonrvn, hi |
| 09:06.45 | troubled | moin moin |
| 09:07.03 | troubled | I hear apt is being a pita here :) |
| 09:07.29 | dutchfish | troubled, the bit or the package? |
| 09:07.34 | dutchfish | s/bit/bot |
| 09:07.35 | troubled | the bot |
| 09:07.50 | dutchfish | nah ... |
| 09:08.05 | _moro_bana_ | Bushmills: http://reviews.pricegrabber.com/wireless-networking/m/52818809/ |
| 09:08.10 | troubled | seems he put it in non adreessed mode recently |
| 09:09.29 | dutchfish | !apt |
| 09:09.29 | dpkg | somebody said apt was Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 09:11.08 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know why tcpdump -vvvX prints the output hex in 2 byte series |
| 09:11.16 | JyZyXEL | 4500 0028 cfcf 4000 7f06 5112 5873 255e |
| 09:11.27 | JyZyXEL | i want it to be: 45 00 00 28 cf cf 40 00 7f 06 51 12 58 73 25 5e |
| 09:12.00 | flixil | JyZyXEL: i think the only way is by scripting |
| 09:12.59 | troubled | JyZyXEL: fix it with sed or something perhaps? |
| 09:13.31 | dutchfish | are the new zend security bugs fixed already in etch? where can i find info on that? |
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| 09:14.00 | troubled | dutchfish: look at the changelog to see the latest bugs that have been addressed for that package? |
| 09:14.05 | flixil | Hello. When i modprobe ndiswrapper it doesn't create any interface, nor wifi, nor ethernet... ndiswrapper -l says hardware present. Any ideas? |
| 09:14.10 | JyZyXEL | god damn its still priting the IP headers |
| 09:14.22 | dutchfish | troubled, nothing there ... (yet) |
| 09:14.29 | JyZyXEL | where the fuck is the tcpdump channel |
| 09:14.37 | troubled | language! |
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| 09:15.01 | dutchfish | grumbles about rudeness |
| 09:15.05 | JyZyXEL | i just want the application layer |
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| 09:15.13 | troubled | JyZyXEL: i suspect that tcpdump has no option for splitting it in 2, use perl or sed or something |
| 09:15.20 | JyZyXEL | the manual says nothing about just getting a spesific layer |
| 09:15.33 | troubled | JyZyXEL: what byte range is the app header at in the package? |
| 09:15.34 | JyZyXEL | |
| 09:15.34 | JyZyXEL | -X |
| 09:15.34 | JyZyXEL | |
| 09:15.34 | JyZyXEL | Print each packet (minus its link level header) in hex and ASCII. This is very handy for analysing new protocols. |
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| 09:16.07 | dutchfish | troubled, i am worried specially about this one: http://www.php-security.org/MOPB/PMOPB-46-2007.html |
| 09:16.21 | Nyle | the fuck |
| 09:16.35 | troubled | Nyle: language! ;) |
| 09:16.42 | troubled | dutchfish: what version are you using? |
| 09:16.49 | Nyle | troubled, fuck fuckity fuck |
| 09:16.51 | Nyle | ;) |
| 09:16.53 | flixil | !whach_your_tongue Nyle |
| 09:16.53 | dutchfish | troubled, all latest etch packages |
| 09:16.57 | troubled | heh, you should know better Nyle |
| 09:17.03 | Nyle | oh noes AHHHHH! |
| 09:17.04 | Estex | Can anyone recommend a good book to teach someone about programming c++, particularly in a linux environment? Maybe a resource that would teach c/c++ by explaining linux source code. I have some c++ experience in windows environment. |
| 09:17.10 | troubled | dutchfish: is it <= 5.2.3? |
| 09:17.21 | dutchfish | troubled, hold on |
| 09:17.26 | flixil | Estex: to learn c++ i recomend "c++ the programing language" |
| 09:17.33 | Nyle | flixil, you have a point, but this isn't fucking #ubuntu :/ |
| 09:18.05 | Nyle | flixil, c++ meh |
| 09:18.06 | Estex | does it include lessons about gcc? |
| 09:18.08 | dutchfish | !info php5 etch |
| 09:18.10 | Nyle | C# is where its at ;) |
| 09:18.23 | Nyle | mono dudes |
| 09:18.24 | Nyle | mono |
| 09:18.27 | dutchfish | troubled, 5.2.0-8+etch10 |
| 09:18.28 | Estex | not a general c book. something geared toward linux. i already have a general c book |
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| 09:18.33 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch10 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 09:18.34 | flixil | Estex: just the c++ language at the full extend |
| 09:18.36 | Zoup | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.45 | Nyle | or if you got windows, nothing tops Visual Studio |
| 09:18.52 | Estex | Alright. Thank you. |
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| 09:19.03 | flixil | Nyle: please, stop your jokes, i ask you as a favor |
| 09:19.36 | Nyle | flixil, /ignore Nyle |
| 09:19.41 | Nyle | flixil, it will work. |
| 09:19.43 | dutchfish | troubled, this one diffenitvely needs a fix |
| 09:19.46 | liable | flixil: if you dont like someones language in the channel, its best to just use /ignore |
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| 09:20.00 | Nyle | Zoup, hda=noprobe? |
| 09:20.40 | cahoot | ide?=noprobe? |
| 09:20.48 | Zoup | Nyle: means , vmlinuz boot=/dev/hda hda=noprobe ? |
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| 09:21.08 | Zoup | cahoot: aa .. vmlinuz boot=/dev/sda1 ide?=noprobe ? :) |
| 09:21.27 | troubled | dutchfish: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.5-3/changelog |
| 09:21.32 | dutchfish | troubled, i have made a workaround for now as explained, but i gues alot of machine are now vulnerable |
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| 09:21.51 | troubled | dutchfish: is that first fix the one? |
| 09:21.53 | Nyle | Zoup, i have actually no idea |
| 09:22.03 | dutchfish | troubled, yes |
| 09:22.04 | Nyle | I google for http://www.google.com/search?q=disable+ide+support+in+kernel+boot+parameter&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS269US270 |
| 09:22.14 | troubled | dutchfish: guess its been addressed then |
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| 09:22.27 | dutchfish | troubled, not in curent stable |
| 09:22.44 | Nyle | When one of your IDE disks is broken, your system might not be able to boot even though the system itself is stored on a disk controlled by a different IDE controller. If this is the case, you can explicitly disable a controller using ide0=noprobe |
| 09:22.45 | dutchfish | troubled, at least not yet |
| 09:22.47 | Nyle | Zoup, something like that |
| 09:22.52 | Zoup | Nyle: it seems 2.6.15=< ignoring these options , thats why i asked |
| 09:22.59 | Nyle | I see |
| 09:23.10 | Nyle | hmmm |
| 09:23.14 | troubled | dutchfish: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459020 |
| 09:23.21 | troubled | dutchfish: Fixed in versions php5/5.2.5-3, php5/5.2.0-8+etch11~p1 by Sean Finney <seanius@debian.org>; |
| 09:23.36 | troubled | dutchfish: so, question is, are you running php5/5.2.0-8+etch11~p1? |
| 09:23.47 | dutchfish | troubled, 5.2.0-8+etch10 |
| 09:24.13 | dutchfish | troubled, weird |
| 09:24.15 | dustybin | Debian OpenSSL Predictable PRNG Bruteforce SSH Exploit 0_0 |
| 09:24.18 | troubled | dutchfish: hmmm, and apt upgrade didnt pull 11 in? |
| 09:24.35 | dutchfish | troubled, nope, otherwise i wouldnt ask |
| 09:24.36 | troubled | dutchfish: apt-cache policy shows 5.2.0-8+etch11 here |
| 09:25.05 | troubled | dutchfish: in fact, i have 11 installed atm |
| 09:25.17 | Nyle | Zoup, hope that helps a bit |
| 09:25.46 | dutchfish | troubled, apt-cache show php5 -> Version: 5.2.0-8+etch10 |
| 09:25.50 | troubled | dutchfish: CVE-2007-3806 CVE-2008-1384 CVE-2008-2050 CVE-2008-2051, were fixed in my copy |
| 09:26.03 | troubled | dutchfish: apt-get update ; apt-cache policy php5 |
| 09:26.16 | Zoup | Nyle: thaanks :) |
| 09:26.46 | dutchfish | troubled, i am baffled, now i get the right version, ok, thank you very much! |
| 09:27.04 | troubled | dutchfish: must have just missed an upgrade with a typo or something i guess, np |
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| 09:27.32 | dutchfish | troubled, i gues so ... thanks |
| 09:28.02 | streuner_ | How can you keep hald in order to start a polling process for /dev/hdc? |
| 09:28.04 | troubled | Nyle: so sup? |
| 09:28.11 | Nyle | not much |
| 09:28.13 | Nyle | fucking heartburn man |
| 09:28.23 | troubled | need some coffee :) |
| 09:28.27 | Nyle | drank milk, I should slowly be ok |
| 09:28.27 | streuner_ | Nyle: milk |
| 09:28.32 | Nyle | ugh, coffee sucks |
| 09:28.35 | Nyle | streuner_, you da man :) |
| 09:28.35 | troubled | milk solves heartburn? |
| 09:28.41 | streuner_ | yes |
| 09:28.44 | troubled | so much for tums heh |
| 09:28.45 | Nyle | its alkaline a bit |
| 09:28.50 | Nyle | and it has so much calcium |
| 09:28.56 | Nyle | it neutralizes the acid |
| 09:28.58 | troubled | that explains why the old man would always want choco milk |
| 09:29.13 | dutchfish | streuner_, kill the hald-addon daemon for that device |
| 09:29.20 | Nyle | acid reflux/heartburn is when acids that break down food leak into the esophagus if you sleep |
| 09:30.03 | Nyle | Zoup, you found anything yet? |
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| 09:30.14 | Zoup | Nyle: nah , ignoring ide=noprobe as well |
| 09:30.18 | Nyle | I'm not sure what was changed/deprecated in 2.6.xx(latest) |
| 09:30.23 | Nyle | hmm |
| 09:30.49 | dutchfish | streuner_, per example hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/hdb |
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| 09:30.55 | Nyle | Zoup, you can't physically take out the drive? |
| 09:31.02 | Nyle | if its bad, throw it away ;) |
| 09:31.18 | Zoup | Nyle: hehe , thats great idea , but this is a remote server you know ;)) |
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| 09:31.26 | Nyle | oop |
| 09:31.28 | Nyle | :( |
| 09:31.59 | Zoup | Nyle: no one in answering in #kernel as well |
| 09:32.01 | Nyle | ide= [HW] (E)IDE subsystem |
| 09:32.02 | Nyle | + Format: ide=nodma or ide=doubler or ide=reverse |
| 09:32.02 | Nyle | + See Documentation/ide.txt. |
| 09:32.15 | Nyle | I'm sure its something stupid I'm overlooking |
| 09:32.26 | Nyle | I know i've done it before too, i had lots of hda errors and libata shit |
| 09:32.29 | Nyle | in dmesg once |
| 09:32.55 | Zoup | Nyle: yeah , none is working |
| 09:33.44 | Nyle | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2007-11/msg01107.html |
| 09:33.50 | Nyle | here is some input maybe |
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| 09:35.56 | Nyle | Format: ide?=noprobe or chipset specific parameters |
| 09:36.05 | Nyle | its listed in latest kernel's param list |
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| 09:36.20 | ktwilight_ | i've got an error when installing ssmtp, it doesn't seem to recognise my hostname, http://rafb.net/p/Y8BnEe41.html |
| 09:36.21 | Nyle | but conslutl wherever this Documentation/ide.txt is |
| 09:36.22 | Nyle | conslut |
| 09:36.25 | Nyle | CONSULT* |
| 09:36.26 | Nyle | fuck. |
| 09:36.34 | Zoup | Nyle: first i was wondering about ? , shall i use my own controller number ther e? ide0=noprobe wasnt working |
| 09:36.55 | Nyle | Zoup, clueless |
| 09:36.58 | Nyle | try it! |
| 09:37.05 | Nyle | it can only fail, or succeed |
| 09:37.48 | dutchfish | ktwilight_, does hostname -f give fqdn? |
| 09:38.01 | ktwilight_ | hm, hostname: Unknown host |
| 09:38.15 | Zoup | Nyle: failed ;) |
| 09:38.26 | dutchfish | ktwilight_, hostname -f ? |
| 09:38.35 | ktwilight_ | dutchfish, yes, that's the output. i guess i need to fake it? |
| 09:38.48 | dutchfish | Kwitschibo, no, solve that one first |
| 09:38.56 | ktwilight_ | how? |
| 09:39.02 | dutchfish | !hostname |
| 09:39.02 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 09:39.43 | ktwilight_ | hm, /etc/hostname shows a FQDN |
| 09:40.33 | dutchfish | ktwilight_, thats wrong |
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| 09:40.47 | ktwilight_ | strange, one box has /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname, but not the other. |
| 09:41.18 | dutchfish | ktwilight_, reread what dpkg (the bot) stated |
| 09:41.35 | ktwilight_ | yea, am reading :/ |
| 09:41.42 | ktwilight_ | just stating the damn facts. |
| 09:42.14 | dutchfish | ktwilight_, /etc/hostname normally contains only the hostname, not the fqdn |
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| 09:43.44 | dutchfish | ktwilight_, when your done hostname -f gives fqdn and hostname the ... well hostname |
| 09:44.28 | ktwilight_ | yea |
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| 09:48.01 | slxix | good evening |
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| 09:56.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:56.05 | dpkg | <Hostile> RichiH: Im not fsking retarded |
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| 09:59.28 | dutchfish | [squiking voice] more input please |
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| 10:00.36 | generic | hi all |
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| 10:01.00 | generic | how i restrict through cups users to print from specifc printers only? |
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| 10:01.26 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 10:01.26 | apt | moin moin, master_alvaro |
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| 10:02.30 | master_alvaro | i looking for appliaction similar to "Nero Diskspeed" ("Nero cd-dvd speed") for linux or mac os x. |
| 10:03.18 | master_alvaro | unfortunetly, QPxTool doesn't support my dvd-driver :-/ |
| 10:03.22 | cahoot | and the use of that app is supposed to be universally known? |
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| 10:03.35 | dutchfish | generic, something like lpadmin -p <queue> -u allow:user1, user2, @users (at the top of my head) |
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| 10:03.54 | slxix | qpxtool is a "CD/DVD quality checker" |
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| 10:04.21 | flixil_ | Hello. When i modprobe ndiswrapper it doesn't create any interface, nor wifi, nor ethernet... ndiswrapper -l says hardware present. Any ideas? |
| 10:04.39 | Lagbolt | flixil, did you isntall the driver? |
| 10:04.46 | generic | i did <Location /> |
| 10:04.46 | generic | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.46 | generic | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.46 | generic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.57 | slxix | master_alvaro: apt-cache search quality dvd |
| 10:05.11 | omry | how do I configure xorg maximum resolution? |
| 10:05.13 | flixil_ | lsmod | grep ndiswrapper shows ndiswrapper i did rmmod b43 (the native driver) before modprobing ndiswrapper |
| 10:05.28 | Lagbolt | flixil_, did you rmmod ssb? |
| 10:05.29 | jim | flixil_: btw it turns out markybob has the same card you do |
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| 10:05.48 | dutchfish | !tell generic about pastebin |
| 10:05.49 | Lagbolt | flixil_, what is your card? bcm what? |
| 10:05.57 | flixil_ | bcm4318 |
| 10:06.02 | generic | dutchfish |
| 10:06.03 | generic | any idea |
| 10:06.10 | Lagbolt | flixil_, i have 4311 :( they all suck lol |
| 10:06.23 | flixil_ | :) with ndiswrapper they work better |
| 10:06.24 | Lagbolt | you have to rmmod ssb as well as b42 |
| 10:06.27 | Lagbolt | b43 that is |
| 10:06.34 | Lagbolt | i know i use ndiswrapper :) |
| 10:06.44 | flixil_ | but ssb isn't a dependence of b43? |
| 10:06.52 | flixil_ | it should remove automagically imho |
| 10:06.58 | flixil_ | (i didn't removed it explicitly) |
| 10:06.58 | Lagbolt | dude, all i know is ndiswrapper get's pissed with that one |
| 10:07.03 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 10:07.06 | flixil_ | andd why ndiswrapper -l dettects ssb and not b43? |
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| 10:07.14 | jim | rmmod doesn't do deps |
| 10:07.19 | Lagbolt | lol dude |
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| 10:07.20 | flixil_ | it says native driver ssb avaiable |
| 10:07.28 | dutchfish | generic, delve into the AuthClass |
| 10:07.31 | Lagbolt | that is why i am telling you to rmmod ssb |
| 10:07.33 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 10:07.38 | flixil_ | ops i thought that rmmod did deps as modprobe did :P sorry |
| 10:07.45 | Lagbolt | dont ask why, i dont know why, i just know rmmod ssb needs to happen :) |
| 10:08.02 | cahoot | flixil_: b43 doesn't work in your hands? |
| 10:08.05 | SparFux | Hi! What command line would I have to use to `discover` the type of a serial mouse connected to the rs232 socket? |
| 10:08.10 | flixil_ | ok i'll try i need to disconnect to try, thanks a lot ^^ |
| 10:08.25 | jim | no it only works when plugged in |
| 10:08.25 | Lagbolt | flixil_, then you have to rmmod ndiswrapper and reload it |
| 10:08.32 | Lagbolt | assuming you have the correct driver installed |
| 10:08.44 | flixil_ | b43 workks... but it tends to disconnect and needs to be closer to the router |
| 10:09.00 | cahoot | flixil_: ok |
| 10:09.09 | Lagbolt | yeah b43 blows. |
| 10:09.11 | flixil_ | Lagbolt i got the correct driver... it stoped working when i got from bcm43xx to b43... so probably ssb is the problem |
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| 10:09.19 | Lagbolt | yes probably |
| 10:09.26 | flixil_ | Thanks i'll try right now :) |
| 10:09.26 | apt | flixil_: no problem |
| 10:09.29 | flixil_ | See you later |
| 10:09.58 | cahoot | Lagbolt: in my experience b43 outperforms my iwl3945 |
| 10:10.04 | Lagbolt | yeah? |
| 10:10.08 | cahoot | yes |
| 10:10.26 | Lagbolt | cahoot, well with my bcm4311 it is not so good. does alright with visible networks and even some hidden but no luck on wpa enterprise :( |
| 10:10.28 | cahoot | bcm4311 |
| 10:10.28 | jim | a good antenna will help any of them |
| 10:10.33 | master_alvaro | omry: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:10.37 | dutchfish | SparFux, http://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/Serial |
| 10:10.45 | flixil_ | true this was the problem |
| 10:10.50 | SparFux | dutchfish: thx! |
| 10:10.51 | flixil_ | i'm using ndiswrapper right now :) thanks |
| 10:10.59 | Lagbolt | cahoot, you have the 4311 eh? tried it with enterprise? hidden ssid? |
| 10:11.11 | jim | flixil_: with what kernel? |
| 10:11.12 | cahoot | Lagbolt: well this is based on a homeusers simple setup |
| 10:11.13 | Lagbolt | no prob flixil_ |
| 10:11.26 | flixil_ | jim 2.6.24 debian image |
| 10:11.33 | Lagbolt | yeah :( problem is where i work they like to make life miserable |
| 10:11.50 | flixil_ | I've been touching udev a long time... i thought it was an udev problem :) |
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| 10:14.04 | flixil_ | an other question... If i install linux-sources-version and compile it using /boot/config-version that was shipped with the package linux-image-version... then i should get the same kernel, shouldn't I? |
| 10:14.27 | dutchfish | flixil_, roughly yes |
| 10:14.47 | flixil_ | I mean... all the debian patches are there or are they in any other place? |
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| 10:15.31 | generic | how |
| 10:15.38 | dutchfish | flixil, seprately when talking about vinilla |
| 10:15.39 | generic | any howto dutchfish |
| 10:15.39 | omry | I got a new LCD monitor (had CRT before). what parameters should I add to the new monitor in xorg.conf ? |
| 10:15.41 | SparFux | dutchfish: But I mean, detect the mouse connected to rs232 :-\ |
| 10:15.59 | dutchfish | generic, http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html#Allow |
| 10:16.14 | dutchfish | SparFux, delve into the hal part |
| 10:16.19 | SparFux | k |
| 10:16.23 | flixil | i'm talking about the sources that i can get from aptitude, not from kernel.org |
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| 10:17.26 | dutchfish | flixil, i dont know i asume they come separate, not sure |
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| 10:18.12 | dutchfish | flixil, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 10:18.48 | flixil | i'll take a look, thnks |
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| 10:19.31 | dutchfish | !info kernel-patches |
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| 10:20.35 | dutchfish | flixil, Installing a kernel-patch package does not apply the patch. That is done by invoking make-kpkg, with the option "--added-patches" |
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| 10:21.56 | generic | dutchfish? |
| 10:22.10 | dutchfish | ? |
| 10:23.00 | omry | anyone got an example for a ModeLine (in xorg.conf) for a LCD monitor with 1900x1200 resolution? |
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| 10:23.59 | dutchfish | flixil, linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 if you want to build etch kernel |
| 10:24.12 | cahoot | omry: try gtf? |
| 10:24.26 | omry | cahoot: gtf? |
| 10:24.42 | cahoot | usage: gtf x y refresh [-v|--verbose] [-f|--fbmode] [-x|--xorgmode] |
| 10:25.01 | omry | cahoot: thought it's Google The Fuck or something :) |
| 10:25.08 | omry | cahoot: thanks, trying. |
| 10:25.31 | cahoot | omry: I see - no just a simple command |
| 10:25.56 | areels | is it logical to use firestarter? |
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| 10:26.06 | spaceninja | why systemv? |
| 10:27.32 | dutchfish | areels, it would be more logical to have a seperate firewall but it all depends on ones needs |
| 10:28.19 | areels | dutchfish i'm trying to establish a firewall like this http://www.shorewall.net/images/basics.png |
| 10:28.49 | omry | cahoot: is the required refresh rate vertical or horizontal? |
| 10:29.04 | dutchfish | areels, iptables and tools to build rools i would choose then |
| 10:29.11 | areels | i've installed shorewall and webmin but still confusing me |
| 10:29.12 | dutchfish | s/rools/rules |
| 10:29.31 | flixil | dutchfish: i see... Thanks a lot |
| 10:29.54 | cahoot | omry: can they differ? |
| 10:30.15 | omry | cahoot: http://www.zwtm.com/2007/12/benq-g2400w-24-widescreen-lcd-monitor/ |
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| 10:30.31 | dutchfish | areels, maybe pyroman, lokkit ferm fail2ban to mention a few |
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| 10:31.41 | omry | cahoot: I don't think KDE gives a damn about my changes. |
| 10:31.45 | dutchfish | areels, and throw away webmin |
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| 10:32.59 | cahoot | omry: did xorg? |
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| 10:33.12 | areels | dutchfish: what do you suggest me? |
| 10:33.28 | areels | pyroman, lokkit ferm fail2ban |
| 10:33.35 | cahoot | omry: did xorg accept the new modeline? |
| 10:33.38 | omry | cahoot: I am not sure. I am trying to change resolution via kde desktop setting, and it's still have the old list. |
| 10:33.47 | areels | i'll remove webmin and shorewall |
| 10:33.47 | omry | cahoot: it did start correctly. so I think it did. |
| 10:33.55 | dutchfish | areels, actually if your brave enough commandline, but i admit rule building is easier with the tools for it |
| 10:34.32 | slxix | anyone have a prefered program for writing kanji? |
| 10:34.32 | cahoot | omry: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would tell |
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| 10:34.44 | areels | which tool is most preferable for me then dutchfish? |
| 10:34.53 | cahoot | omry: or simpler - xrandr -q from commandline |
| 10:35.17 | dutchfish | areels, searching, i forgot the name ... hold on a sec |
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| 10:35.27 | omry | cahoot: same list there. so I guess xorg is not paying attention to my change |
| 10:35.41 | cahoot | omry: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would possibly tell more |
| 10:36.13 | dutchfish | areels, Firewall Builder |
| 10:36.20 | omry | cahoot: (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1900x1200"; removing. |
| 10:36.46 | omry | cahoot: hmm, I think it should be 1920 |
| 10:36.47 | omry | sec |
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| 10:36.58 | dutchfish | areels, fwbuilder is in etch |
| 10:37.04 | cahoot | omry: doesn't nvidia-settings offer some possibilites? |
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| 10:37.43 | omry | cahoot: works now. |
| 10:37.59 | omry | changed the mode to 1920x1200 in the resolutions line. |
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| 10:38.54 | omry | cahoot: thanks. |
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| 10:38.59 | cahoot | yw |
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| 10:43.17 | dutchfish | !coffee cahoot |
| 10:43.17 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for cahoot, courtesy of dutchfish |
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| 10:43.51 | cahoot | much obliged |
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| 10:46.28 | zim | hi all just a quick Q |
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| 10:47.09 | zim | I have been forced to use ftp but cant work out how to download a whole directory |
| 10:47.14 | areels | thank you dutchfish |
| 10:47.14 | apt | my pleasure, areels |
| 10:47.19 | dutchfish | yw |
| 10:47.31 | zim | how do i get dirname ? |
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| 10:48.41 | zim | I am logged in ie. ftp ftp.sitename.com |
| 10:48.56 | zim | all I need to do now is get * |
| 10:49.03 | zim | how do I do this ? |
| 10:49.12 | zim | any help would be great |
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| 10:50.16 | Batchy | err, mget ? |
| 10:50.46 | zim | Batchy: is that for me |
| 10:51.04 | Batchy | zim: yes |
| 10:51.39 | zim | I have tryed mget but probably doing somthing wrong |
| 10:51.51 | shfihg | what could cause a fully updated etch system to still generate compromised SSH keys? (couldn't find anything in FAQ) |
| 10:52.01 | zim | ftp> mget dirname |
| 10:52.36 | zim | Batchy: is that wrong? |
| 10:52.44 | dutchfish | mget does not recursion with dirs, but multifile like mget foo* |
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| 10:53.42 | zim | dutchfish: how can I get/mget/foobar * |
| 10:53.45 | dutchfish | zim, yafc can do this but i dont know if its in etch |
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| 10:54.10 | dutchfish | zim, it is |
| 10:54.44 | dutchfish | zim, i dont use ftp anymore myself (security) |
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| 10:55.29 | dutchfish | zim, with scp you just easely do scp -R /foo |
| 10:55.49 | hoxu | zim, you might want to check out ncftp and lftp for better file transfer client |
| 10:56.04 | hoxu | lftp does sftp too |
| 10:56.24 | dutchfish | sftp has recursion too |
| 10:56.25 | zim | dutchfish: I hate ftp would rather use scp I know how to do that but am moviing a site for a friend who only has ftp access |
| 10:57.14 | zim | I need to download * to local dir on my server |
| 10:57.28 | zim | after that ftp is a thing of the past |
| 10:57.30 | cloakable | wget :) |
| 10:57.34 | jintxo | wget |
| 10:57.35 | hoxu | wget would indeed work |
| 10:57.41 | zim | php file |
| 10:58.02 | zim | wget only spiders html |
| 10:58.03 | cloakable | wget works over ftp too |
| 10:58.13 | zim | how? |
| 10:58.31 | hoxu | zim, man wget |
| 10:58.41 | cloakable | feed it an ftp:// url instead of an http:// one, basically :) |
| 10:58.43 | zim | ok |
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| 10:59.18 | hoxu | !penixstrike apt |
| 10:59.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking apt to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:59.19 | dutchfish | didnt know wget does recusrion on ftp .. |
| 10:59.36 | dutchfish | hoxu, thanks |
| 10:59.58 | hoxu | dutchfish, no problem... but for what? :p |
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| 11:02.11 | dutchfish | hoxu, because i didnt know, and wget support proxy-servers |
| 11:02.30 | dutchfish | hoxu, ftp not |
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| 11:03.09 | hoxu | dutchfish, it's because I consult the Secret Pages of Knowledge |
| 11:03.46 | dutchfish | hoxu, never met you there ;) but alas .... |
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| 11:04.24 | shfihg | so no one else had that problem? (rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*; dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server; generating compromised keys on a fully patched etch system) |
| 11:04.35 | hoxu | anyway, I personally recommend lftp for file transfer needs, it's worth the learning |
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| 11:06.56 | dutchfish | hoxu, is lftpget a drop in replacement for wget? |
| 11:07.54 | hoxu | dutchfish, no, it's an interactive file transfer client... or scriptable if you prefer, whereas wget is just a pure downloader |
| 11:08.04 | dutchfish | hoxu, ok |
| 11:09.00 | dutchfish | hoxu, and it supports fish ... wow |
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| 11:10.32 | dutchfish | hoxu, handy on my very old machines |
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| 11:12.40 | dutchfish | shfihg, maybe its a false possitive and triggered regeneration, had that on just 1 machine |
| 11:13.05 | shfihg | well, I get the same error no matter how many times I regenerate the ssh keys |
| 11:13.37 | dutchfish | shfihg, even if you deleted the old ones before? |
| 11:13.41 | shfihg | yes |
| 11:13.46 | shfihg | fingerprint changes too |
| 11:13.54 | shfihg | but ssh-vulnkey keeps complaining about them |
| 11:14.13 | dutchfish | shfihg, did rhkunter find something? |
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| 11:14.25 | shfihg | I updated 8 other etch servers before this one, and didn't run into any problems on the others |
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| 11:14.39 | dutchfish | shfihg, yes |
| 11:14.53 | shfihg | rhkunter? |
| 11:15.15 | dutchfish | shfihg, i meant you shure this box isnt compromized? |
| 11:15.43 | shfihg | well, hard to say |
| 11:16.06 | dutchfish | shfihg, run rkhunter and check |
| 11:16.50 | shfihg | it did have a compromised key as part of one users authorized_keys file |
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| 11:17.17 | dutchfish | shfihg, the odds ar enot high, but check it carefully |
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| 11:18.12 | dutchfish | shfihg, i only had 1 simular box, but after deleting the old keys, it went through fine |
| 11:18.49 | dutchfish | shfihg, you running up 2 dat eetch right? |
| 11:18.51 | n0mad | mm cant locate cdrom :/ |
| 11:19.02 | shfihg | is the rkhunter package in etch still somewhat recent or should I get a never version elsewhere? |
| 11:19.06 | shfihg | yeah, fully updated etch |
| 11:19.24 | dutchfish | shfihg, yes, its recent enough |
| 11:20.52 | dutchfish | shfihg, chkrootkit is another one |
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| 11:24.36 | slxix | what does "m17n" mean? |
| 11:24.58 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.59 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 11:26.08 | dutchfish | http://packages.debian.org/nl/etch/m17n-lib-bin |
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| 11:26.19 | dutchfish | prolly |
| 11:26.29 | slxix | multilingualization |
| 11:26.44 | dutchfish | got an error of some sort? |
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| 11:27.33 | slxix | no error, i'm learning japanese. i'm installing mlterm and that was part of a package description. |
| 11:27.45 | dutchfish | slxix, ok |
| 11:28.19 | shfihg | rkhunter found nothing |
| 11:29.32 | dutchfish | shfihg, check your logs for hints on this why it regenerates the keys on every try |
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| 11:31.42 | dutchfish | shfihg, and you did dist-upgrade right? |
| 11:31.50 | shfihg | yep |
| 11:32.34 | dutchfish | shfihg, what does ssh-vulnkey -a gives you? |
| 11:32.49 | shfihg | COMPROMISED for both host keys |
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| 11:32.58 | abrotman | delete them |
| 11:33.04 | shfihg | I did |
| 11:33.17 | shfihg | but all newly generated keys are still marked as compromised |
| 11:33.27 | abrotman | rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* |
| 11:33.52 | abrotman | aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 11:34.03 | shfihg | rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*; dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server <-- does not help, the newly generated keys are still compromised |
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| 11:34.27 | shfihg | nothing to update @ dist-upgrade |
| 11:34.37 | abrotman | shfihg: dpkg -l openssh* openssl* |
| 11:34.43 | abrotman | pastebin |
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| 11:34.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, i had the same on 1 machine |
| 11:35.32 | ``y7 | how can i start gnome sshing into the computer? |
| 11:35.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, but manually removing th eold keys solved my problem not his |
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| 11:35.45 | hoxu | don't forget to quote wildcards with 'openssh*' :P |
| 11:35.50 | stew | shfihg: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssl libssl0.9.8" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 11:37.48 | ttick | anyone know why my WPC11 wireless card can't scan for APs? "iwlist wlan0 scan" returns nada (rather quickly too) |
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| 11:39.57 | shfihg | stew, abrotman, dutchfish: http://paste.lisp.org/display/60864 |
| 11:40.42 | ``y7 | do i use xinit to start my gui from a command prompt? |
| 11:41.25 | stew | shfihg: so the problem is that you havne't yet upgraded to a fixed version of libssl0.9.8. You are running an older version of libssl0.9.8 from testing, but you are upgrading using stable repositories not testing repositories |
| 11:41.40 | stew | shfihg: we'd recommend against trying to mix stable and testing/unstable |
| 11:41.50 | shfihg | ah, ok, thanks for the pointer |
| 11:41.53 | dutchfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.57 | shfihg | I'll look into it |
| 11:42.19 | shfihg | I think I used testing on that box a long time ago but switched to etch at some point |
| 11:42.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: but his installed isn't from etch |
| 11:42.34 | dutchfish | abrotman, yup |
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| 11:43.20 | shfihg | is there any easy way to force apt to use only etch packages? |
| 11:43.34 | shfihg | (even if that means downgrading some packages) |
| 11:43.44 | dutchfish | !confmiss |
| 11:43.44 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 11:43.59 | dutchfish | no |
| 11:44.02 | stew | shfihg: 'aptitude install package=version' |
| 11:44.11 | stew | shfihg: or maybe /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 11:45.20 | shfihg | k, thx |
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| 11:46.44 | thechef | Does CVE-2008-1669 only apply for multicore systems? |
| 11:47.01 | abrotman | vague |
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| 11:49.20 | shfihg | ok, manually downgrading openssl and libssl0.9.8 solved the issue, thanks guys! |
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| 11:55.14 | dijz | hi, someone have Sid and Skype? I have installed Skype, but it dont works, I forever get "p2p conect failed", and at Options is only Proxy... http://lujz.org/tmp/proxy.jpg |
| 11:55.23 | dijz | but proxy is not necessary |
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| 11:56.00 | Lagbolt | i have skype but testing |
| 11:56.09 | mikke | hi everyone |
| 11:56.18 | mikke | there is a part in the openssh code that doesnt work |
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| 11:56.22 | mikke | in my testing |
| 11:56.28 | mikke | i think its something to do with security |
| 11:56.32 | mikke | should i just comment it out? |
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| 11:56.41 | infinity0 | how do i get synaptic to use testing AND unstable repositories, but pick testing as the priority? |
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| 11:57.28 | dijz | Lagbolt: You dont use proxy, I guess |
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| 11:58.20 | prophile | hi, when using apt-get update, I get a load of errors from gzip... is this a known bug and what can I do about it? |
| 11:58.31 | prophile | "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" |
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| 11:59.00 | dijz | prophile: I dont know it |
| 11:59.40 | Penix | infinity0: you'll end up with problems eventually |
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| 12:01.24 | stew | infinity0: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
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| 12:04.37 | liable | one of his addresses anyway. |
| 12:04.42 | liable | oops |
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| 12:08.36 | guzu | hello all |
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| 12:09.50 | guzu | i wanna upgrade my debian 4 install and it says linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 will be upgraded. however, 2.6.18-6-486 is already installed, how can i fix this annoyance? |
| 12:10.18 | azeem | guzu: put the whole output on a pastebin for diagnostics |
| 12:10.20 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 12:10.20 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 12:10.20 | stew | guzu: what version is installed now? |
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| 12:11.30 | stew | guzu: or is there some reason you don't want to upgrade it? |
| 12:11.35 | graytron | does logcheck take into account that the name of syslog and auth.log changes when logrotate rotates the logfiles, so that log entries will not go unnoticed? |
| 12:12.22 | stew | graytron: syslog and auth.log aren't rotated by logrotate, they are rotated by syslog from /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 12:12.46 | guzu | azeem, http://rafb.net/p/lfksfx66.html |
| 12:12.49 | graytron | stew: ok, then does logcheck take that into account? :D |
| 12:12.52 | guzu | stew, is already installed |
| 12:13.05 | azeem | guzu: so what is your problem? |
| 12:13.12 | azeem | you've asked to upgrade, it upgrads |
| 12:13.17 | azeem | if you don't want to upgrade, don' |
| 12:13.18 | azeem | t |
| 12:13.22 | graytron | stew: btw, i'm using syslog-ng, so i don't have /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 12:13.25 | stew | guzu: yes, i understand that it is installed, and there is a new version that it wants to upgrade to. why don't you want to let it upgrade? |
| 12:13.34 | guzu | azeem, why, is already installed! |
| 12:13.54 | guzu | stew, i understand it's the same version, where do you see a new version? |
| 12:13.55 | stew | guzu: there is a new version available, it fixes security problems |
| 12:14.03 | guzu | hmmm |
| 12:14.09 | stew | guzu: what version of linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 is installed now? |
| 12:14.43 | graytron | stew: what handles syslog and auth.log rotation when sysklogd is not installed and one is using syslog-ng? |
| 12:14.49 | guzu | stew, how can i find out more? |
| 12:14.57 | guzu | has no idea |
| 12:14.58 | stew | guzu: show us the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 12:15.23 | stew | graytron: i don't know. i haven't used syslog-ng, presumably syslog-ng handles it somehow. perhaps "dpkg -L syslog-ng" would give you a clue |
| 12:15.59 | guzu | stew, aaargh! indeed, the candidate is newer, thnx a lot |
| 12:16.04 | guzu | thnx azeem |
| 12:16.34 | azeem | guzu: if it wasn't newer, it wouldn't get upgraded, would it? |
| 12:16.57 | azeem | guzu: maybe you're just confused because the kernel version is encoded into the package name |
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| 12:17.10 | guzu | azeem, that's what i thought, but from what i've seen on screen i can not see if it's newer or not |
| 12:17.28 | guzu | apt output |
| 12:17.29 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, output is Anything that comes out of a computer or system. As in, "Watch out for that pile of OUTPUT on the sidewalk." |
| 12:17.31 | azeem | guzu: the point that it's getting upgraded is proof that it's newer |
| 12:17.31 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 12:17.31 | dpkg | dsa is probably Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 12:17.42 | guzu | azeem, roger |
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| 12:19.32 | muddd | on my system it seems portmap needs to be started before nfs-kernel-server, but when I boot nfs starts before portmap and gets me nowhere... how do I change the boot order? |
| 12:19.39 | muddd | or where should I read about it heh |
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| 12:20.30 | Bushmills | muddd: what distribution is that? |
| 12:20.42 | muddd | debian etch |
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| 12:21.31 | Bushmills | muddd: portmap is started before nfs on etch |
| 12:21.40 | ^]] | muddd: have you mangled runlevels with update-rc.d, disabling and re-enabling ? |
| 12:21.52 | muddd | yes ^]] I have |
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| 12:22.14 | debian | muddd etch |
| 12:22.15 | ^]] | reinstalling the two from scratch is a fast way |
| 12:22.26 | Bushmills | muddd: well, when you have, then you know where to change order |
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| 12:22.29 | ^]] | another way is studying update-rc.d |
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| 12:22.40 | muddd | so update-rc.d is not the way to manage which services start eh? i should disable both using update-rc.d then re-enable them in the proper order? |
| 12:22.41 | ^]] | you will have to place sensible values for runlevels |
| 12:22.57 | muddd | the lower the number the sooner they start type deal? |
| 12:23.00 | ^]] | no, it's the way, but if you reenable with defaults and don't specify order, you will break |
| 12:23.04 | ^]] | yes |
| 12:23.11 | muddd | ah ok |
| 12:23.18 | ^]] | soon or later initd stuff will have deps |
| 12:23.20 | muddd | I will read the man for update-rc.d then heh |
| 12:23.26 | liable | meh, seems i am in a loosing situation with avahi. every fucking maintainer wants to recommend it |
| 12:23.29 | ^]] | but for now, they haven't |
| 12:23.42 | muddd | sweet thx for the info |
| 12:23.44 | wij32 | hey guys. ive installed debian using net install and i choose to have desktop options, and its installed loads of stuff i dont want. then on anotehr box i just did base install, then apt-get install xorg fluxbox, which is lovelly for me, how can i get the desktop system to "downgrade", remove gnome? or there a simpler way to go back to "base"? |
| 12:23.53 | abrotman | liable: suck it up |
| 12:24.03 | ^]] | ur welcome |
| 12:24.09 | liable | !lart abrotman |
| 12:24.09 | dpkg | wallops abrotman with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 12:24.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common |
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| 12:25.21 | wij32 | not sure if my question was correct |
| 12:25.30 | liable | s/recommend/depend on/ |
| 12:25.34 | wij32 | is there a way to remove most things? just leave base system |
| 12:25.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | bloody avahi and nm |
| 12:25.51 | wij32 | so i can did apt-get install xorg fluxbox |
| 12:25.56 | wij32 | so i have lightweight system |
| 12:26.02 | wij32 | without having to re-install everything. |
| 12:26.06 | azeem | wij32: you can remove all package of Priority optional and extra |
| 12:26.23 | azeem | not sure if that works without glitches though |
| 12:26.30 | abrotman | wij32: tasksel remove desktop |
| 12:26.46 | abrotman | wij32: that sohuld remove what tasksel did when it installed 'desktop' |
| 12:26.57 | abrotman | (never tried it though) |
| 12:27.27 | wij32 | ah |
| 12:27.34 | wij32 | abrotman: thanks, thats what im after |
| 12:27.50 | jcranmer | I'm having a problem getting xbattbar to work; it gives me this error on startup: |
| 12:27.55 | jcranmer | xbattbar: Can't read proc info: No such file or directory |
| 12:29.41 | shital_ | right now in Debian-4.0, its giving only read and execute permissions to root, but not write, can i make it by some way? |
| 12:29.56 | shital_ | for ntfs partitions |
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| 12:31.19 | Lagbolt | shital_, use ntfs-3g |
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| 12:32.10 | Ace2016 | hey firefox rc1 is here http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-rc.html |
| 12:33.53 | guzu | nice, Ace2016 |
| 12:34.18 | Ace2016 | i know i'm extracting it now |
| 12:34.39 | jcranmer | uses firefox 20080517 |
| 12:34.41 | grub | is using it since yesterday :P |
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| 12:36.36 | Ace2016 | what time zone are you in :D |
| 12:37.15 | grub | GMT+ 5 and a half :P |
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| 12:38.20 | jcranmer | any suggestions for my xbattbar problem? |
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| 12:39.37 | Ace2016 | so why are you up so early? |
| 12:39.55 | grub | early? |
| 12:40.08 | amphi | Ace2016: it's evening ;) |
| 12:40.19 | grub | yep :) |
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| 12:41.13 | Ace2016 | oh, i was thinking gmt -5 |
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| 12:43.07 | jcranmer | ls |
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| 12:44.32 | h0ax | hi i come across this problem with compiz : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12722/ any ideas ? |
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| 12:45.49 | Ace2016 | h0ax: try #compiz-fusion |
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| 12:55.23 | Delfyn | i've used dpkg-buildpackage to make a .deb. it has signed the .dsc and the .changes, but it doesn't sign the .deb. I've loaded my public key with apt-key but when i install the .deb it still says it can't be authenticated. what gives? |
| 12:55.41 | azeem | Delfyn: .debs aren't signed usually |
| 12:55.46 | azeem | how do you install it? |
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| 12:56.03 | Delfyn | so then what is apt-get checking when it says it's not authenticated? |
| 12:56.05 | wij32 | abrotman: perfect, got fluxbox on its own now, nice and lightweight :) |
| 12:56.24 | azeem | Delfyn: the Packages.gz checksum against the Release.gpg signature |
| 12:56.32 | Delfyn | aaaaaahhhhh! |
| 12:56.35 | Delfyn | thanks! :-)) |
| 12:56.35 | apt | Delfyn: sure thing |
| 12:57.02 | nexus024 | Does anyone know a definitive guide for setting up testing release of debian for sata raid support? |
| 12:57.20 | wij32 | hey, how do i set my shell type to bash from sh? every time i load a terminal its sh |
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| 12:58.55 | wij32 | ³ |
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| 12:59.02 | WormFood | wij32, set it in your password file? |
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| 12:59.18 | wij32 | WormFood: just by editing it? |
| 12:59.28 | wij32 | ah i see |
| 12:59.47 | WormFood | yup |
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| 13:00.08 | WormFood | there should be a tool to it for you, but you should be able to do it manually with no problems |
| 13:00.23 | Lagbolt | wij32, use chsh |
| 13:00.26 | wij32 | yeah just did it now |
| 13:00.43 | wij32 | think i need to re-log though for it to take affect right? |
| 13:00.51 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 13:00.57 | WormFood | of course |
| 13:01.03 | wij32 | ok, be back in a bit |
| 13:01.04 | WormFood | or, just "exec su - username" |
| 13:01.15 | WormFood | that should do it |
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| 13:01.42 | Lagbolt | well yeah that too |
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| 13:02.01 | wij32 | :) |
| 13:02.17 | wij32 | im trying not to use my windows box anymore, its a big move though isnt it |
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| 13:02.31 | WormFood | wij32, "exec su - username" should also do it for you (to not logout and login) |
| 13:02.47 | WormFood | wij32, I made that move back in 1999 |
| 13:02.57 | wij32 | heh, never looked back? |
| 13:03.08 | WormFood | yep |
| 13:03.12 | WormFood | never looked back |
| 13:03.16 | wij32 | heh |
| 13:03.29 | WormFood | I hate winblows....I hate booting into winblows, and try to avoid it as much as possible |
| 13:03.40 | WormFood | there are very few programs I want to run I can't run on Linux |
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| 13:04.43 | WormFood | lately it is language learning tools I want to run (I'm learning the 2nd most spoken language in the world now...what a bitch to learn) |
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| 13:05.06 | aleij | whats the proper irc channel to ask questions regarding debian on macintel? |
| 13:05.18 | aleij | (x2) |
| 13:05.26 | WormFood | aleij, I think this would be it, but maybe not |
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| 13:06.37 | aleij | WormFood: i have a refit question i doubt fits in here |
| 13:06.48 | aleij | tx |
| 13:07.00 | aleij | i continue with google.. |
| 13:07.35 | wij32 | WormFood: which langauge is that? spanish? |
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| 13:09.20 | SethX | moin, anybidy good with qmail? |
| 13:09.31 | SethX | when connecting to port 25 the connection just dies |
| 13:09.43 | abrotman | #qmail ? |
| 13:09.47 | SethX | but the stats command report it as active |
| 13:10.01 | WormFood | wij32, no, spanish is #3 |
| 13:10.19 | WormFood | wij32, I learn mandarin (chinese) |
| 13:10.43 | Bushmills | mandarin is #1, not 2 |
| 13:10.48 | WormFood | SethX, I run Qmail ;) |
| 13:10.56 | wij32 | WormFood: how many other languages to know? |
| 13:11.02 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:11.02 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 13:11.05 | Bushmills | more than twice as many speakers than spanish |
| 13:11.09 | WormFood | no it isn't...English is #1, mandarin #2, spanish #3 |
| 13:11.29 | abrotman | not even close |
| 13:11.30 | SethX | WormFood: for some reason, when connecting to 25 it just dies out |
| 13:11.32 | SethX | no sign in logs |
| 13:11.34 | WormFood | wij32, I'm learning it, I don't know much yet....which is why I need the language tools on winblows :( |
| 13:11.41 | SethX | actually, no logs at all for smtp |
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| 13:11.58 | WormFood | SethX, how are you launching it? |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | SethX: did you try #qmail? not many in #debian use qmail |
| 13:12.03 | Bushmills | ethnologically, english is #3 |
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| 13:12.13 | SethX | but the local stests through qmail send works |
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| 13:12.28 | kombi | where again do you set the address root mail goes to? |
| 13:12.28 | SethX | abrotman: ill give it a shot |
| 13:12.35 | WormFood | yeah, local test works, because it does not use a daemon, like smtp does |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | kombi: /etc/aliases |
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| 13:12.48 | kombi | thanks, abrotman! |
| 13:12.59 | abrotman | kombi: don't forget to run newaliases |
| 13:13.06 | SethX | abrotman: actually #qmail is quite dead |
| 13:13.07 | dendrite | kombi: And run newaliases after you edit that file |
| 13:13.20 | kombi | done deal!;) |
| 13:13.22 | abrotman | SethX: ok, but .. |
| 13:13.43 | Bushmills | english is probably #1 in "being understood" but in "spoken" it is mandarin |
| 13:13.47 | SethX | you saying it's OT in here? |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | thinks sane people use postfix or exim |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | SethX: nope, as long as it's on debian |
| 13:14.19 | WormFood | I have been running qmail for 10 years, and I love it |
| 13:14.27 | WormFood | I even have my own mods to it too ;) |
| 13:14.36 | SethX | its on debian , no problem |
| 13:14.36 | wij32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.52 | WormFood | how are you launching the smtp daemon? |
| 13:15.11 | SethX | tcpserver |
| 13:15.27 | SethX | but there are no log files for it, except for clamav |
| 13:16.00 | SethX | now i started it through qmailctl start |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | see note about sane people :) |
| 13:16.17 | SethX | and it reports it active with qmailctl stat |
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| 13:16.50 | WormFood | I haven't installed qmail in a while...once I get it working, it is VERY rare to have problems with it (based on my experience) |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | "once" :) |
| 13:17.10 | WormFood | does qmailctl report on the smtp daemon? |
| 13:17.10 | et_alia | Must have been a small volume server :) |
| 13:17.23 | wij32 | by default, where are things intalled using apt-get install? say im looking for irrsi config file? |
| 13:17.25 | WormFood | actually, it was a small volume server |
| 13:17.49 | SethX | /service/qmail-smtpd: up (pid 24790) 1134 seconds |
| 13:17.49 | SethX | /service/qmail-smtpd/log: up (pid 24791) 1133 seconds |
| 13:17.52 | abrotman | wij32: dpkg -L <foo> |
| 13:17.56 | SethX | all there |
| 13:18.00 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 13:18.01 | dpkg | hmm... refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 13:18.23 | et_alia | wij32: abrotman is right. Or use dpkg-query. |
| 13:18.25 | wij32 | abrotman, thats a cool command, thanks |
| 13:18.39 | abrotman | i am right! |
| 13:18.43 | et_alia | dpkg = win. |
| 13:18.43 | dpkg | et_alia: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:18.44 | WormFood | SethX, what is the command line for pid 24790? |
| 13:18.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:18.52 | WormFood | you know how to get that, right? |
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| 13:19.34 | SethX | vpopmail 24790 0.0 0.0 1460 328 ? S 14:58 0:00 tcpserver -vR -l addplus.eu -c 250 -u 1016 -g 1011 -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb 0 25 rblsmtpd -t0 -r zen.spamhaus.org -r dnsbl.njabl.org -r dnsbl.sorbs.net -r bl.spamcop.net jgreylist qmail-smtpd addplus.eu /home/vpopmail/bin/vchkpw /bin/true |
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| 13:20.27 | South3rn | Hi :) |
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| 13:21.00 | WormFood | hold on SethX, let me login to my qmail server and use it for comparison |
| 13:21.01 | Bushmills | refcard still shows, almost at top, how to connect to webmin for system config - there is no webmin in debian anymore (and it its use is discouraged) - looks like !refcard is obsolete. |
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| 13:21.10 | SethX | thx |
| 13:21.15 | h0ax | how do i add my user to sudoers file ? |
| 13:21.21 | jcranmer | visudo |
| 13:21.36 | abrotman | Bushmills: not really .. could file a bug maybe? |
| 13:21.54 | h0ax | jcranmer, that aimed at me ? |
| 13:21.55 | Bushmills | or that |
| 13:21.57 | jcranmer | and then something like "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" |
| 13:21.59 | et_alia | h0ax: visudo as root. man sudoers as well |
| 13:22.00 | jcranmer | h0ax: yep |
| 13:22.17 | jcranmer | although you may want some more customization |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | Bushmills: and that's one small item of a veryu useful document |
| 13:22.32 | h0ax | # User privilege specification |
| 13:22.32 | h0ax | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:22.36 | h0ax | do i add it under root ? |
| 13:22.47 | et_alia | h0ax: man sudoers |
| 13:23.34 | WormFood | SethX, are you installing from source, or some package? |
| 13:23.44 | SethX | WormFood: thing which pisses me off though, is that logs are empty |
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| 13:23.47 | Bushmills | abrotman: seems to be the only obvious gotcha/ |
| 13:23.48 | SethX | from source |
| 13:23.55 | abrotman | Bushmills: though it does use apt-get instead of aptitude ... but |
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| 13:24.11 | SethX | at least logs in /var/log/qmail/qmail-smtpd/ |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | not te4chnically wrong |
| 13:24.51 | h0ax | sudo adduser debian admin |
| 13:24.53 | h0ax | i saw that |
| 13:25.04 | h0ax | but admin group don't exist |
| 13:25.15 | h0ax | looks like i'll have to give it some google ! |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | Bushmills: oh, the installer references linux26 |
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| 13:28.53 | h0ax | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/sudoers |
| 13:28.54 | jelly-home | SethX: can you get rid of, say, the rbl setup bit and try again? |
| 13:29.02 | h0ax | why has that one got so much info in and mine hasnt ? |
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| 13:29.26 | WormFood | SethX, remove rblsmtpd and try again |
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| 13:29.42 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:29.49 | wij32 | which package will i find glibconfig.h with? trying to setup fish |
| 13:29.57 | SethX | well if it should be working in rbl mode, i'd at least like to see a line of log for that |
| 13:30.02 | WormFood | I mean, don't just remove that line, remove everything associated with it....go back to the install file, and get the basics working first |
| 13:30.02 | SethX | if you know what i mean |
| 13:30.06 | azeem | wij32: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:30.07 | abrotman | !tell wij32 about search |
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| 13:30.49 | WormFood | after you get the basics working, then work on the black hole crap (fuckin' ass pirate spammers, making us do extra work because of those fucktards!) |
| 13:31.21 | SethX | growl :( |
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| 13:32.28 | wij32 | yeah im sorry, i should search, tend to get lazy when im in irc when theres so many pros around :( |
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| 13:32.45 | wij32 | guess must be pain for you lot to keep answering nub questions :) |
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| 13:33.18 | WormFood | SethX, I'm not always at the computer, so please say my nick if you want me to respond |
| 13:33.18 | NthDegree | hey guys, is it possible to put RHEL 5 SELinux policy into Debian Stable (Etch)? |
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| 13:33.32 | SethX | sure, thanks |
| 13:33.46 | SethX | WormFood: i just dont understand the part about the logs |
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| 13:33.57 | SethX | thats what's queering me out, actually |
| 13:34.05 | abrotman | eh? |
| 13:35.17 | SethX | is multilog a log daemon? |
| 13:35.36 | WormFood | SethX, perhaps there is something else that is preventing it from logging, like syslogd not running, or configuration problems (with syslog) |
| 13:35.54 | SethX | vpopmail runs onver syslog, and works fine |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | does it even accept mail? |
| 13:35.59 | SethX | no |
| 13:36.10 | SethX | connections dies on connect |
| 13:36.12 | jelly-home | SethX: multilog is a log splitter; one instance is run for each service |
| 13:36.30 | SethX | i have no multilog binary, is that aproblem?? |
| 13:36.37 | SethX | !! stupid question |
| 13:36.43 | WormFood | ok |
| 13:36.43 | dFence | who was that smartass telling me that i don't need to worry when updating the openssh package via ssh connection!? |
| 13:36.49 | WormFood | of course there are no logs |
| 13:36.54 | WormFood | there is nothing for it TO log |
| 13:37.02 | WormFood | it dies before it accepts a connection |
| 13:37.03 | jelly-home | only if you have configured logging to go thru it (and it's djb's default I believe) |
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| 13:37.25 | WormFood | what happens when you start it from the command line? |
| 13:37.37 | ktne | hello |
| 13:37.40 | SethX | so, anyhow, just to clear this out, this is the howto i followed http://blog.syngin.com/?p=3 |
| 13:37.50 | ktne | i'm trying to run firefox3rc1 |
| 13:37.50 | WormFood | I forget all the options for tcpserver, but I'm sure it has one to run in the foreground |
| 13:37.54 | ktne | and i get this error: |
| 13:38.16 | SethX | ktne: thats why its a RC, its beta |
| 13:38.23 | jelly-home | dFence: whoever it was, you really shouldn't have to worry. current connections shouldn't break |
| 13:38.24 | ktne | You Have Gtk+ 2.8. This application requires Gtk+ 2.10 |
| 13:38.33 | ktne | how do i upgrate my gtk? |
| 13:38.35 | dFence | jelly-home: they did. |
| 13:38.44 | abrotman | no |
| 13:38.47 | jelly-home | dFence: that's rather unusual. |
| 13:38.48 | SethX | ok, looking at tcpserver |
| 13:38.57 | Bushmills | dFence: that's not my experience |
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| 13:39.24 | dFence | jelly-home: killed the connection and the kernel-update overwrote my grub-config so it wouldn't boot my own kernel anymore and therefore the whole friggin machine just went NUTS |
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| 13:39.39 | Bushmills | dFence: is that a debian system? |
| 13:39.50 | dFence | Bushmills: yep. lenny |
| 13:40.31 | ktne | anyone knows how could i upgrate gtk from 2.8 to 2.10? i've just installed a fresh stable system |
| 13:40.56 | jelly-home | dFence: can you figure out whether all the ssh connections broke? |
| 13:41.05 | SethX | fucking hell |
| 13:41.07 | abrotman | ktne: not a good idea, but why try? |
| 13:41.09 | SethX | found the error |
| 13:41.10 | SethX | rblsmtpd: fatal: unable to run jgreylist: file does not exist |
| 13:41.12 | dFence | i dunno what exactly killed the connection i just know that i had to disconnect the whole box and carry it to the lobby and hook it up with the plasma because no other monitor was available |
| 13:41.16 | ktne | abrotman: because the latest firefox requires it |
| 13:41.33 | WormFood | SethX, is there an error with the howto? |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | ktne: not worth it :) |
| 13:41.43 | ktne | abrotman: not worth using firefox3? |
| 13:41.44 | dFence | jelly-home: had 4 sessions (all from my laptop (OSX Leopard) to the box), all down |
| 13:42.11 | SethX | WormFood: the howto is listed as not perfect" but its the most complete i ever saw on this topic |
| 13:42.14 | abrotman | ktne: not worth all the hassle to use ff3 .. it's not all that much better than ff2 |
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| 13:42.28 | ktne | abrotman: it's much faster, i have all the reasons to use ff3 |
| 13:42.28 | SethX | but its a problem with jgreylist |
| 13:42.32 | WormFood | SethX, I always followed the instructions with qmail |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | ktne: all? |
| 13:42.37 | jelly-home | dFence: in any case, I haven't seen an sshd update kill the running sessions since the last millennium ;-) |
| 13:42.44 | SethX | so, now ill just have to find what file is missing |
| 13:42.48 | ktne | abrotman: sorry but that's not a proper argument :) |
| 13:42.48 | SethX | and itll be happy |
| 13:42.50 | abrotman | ktne: is this system a server? |
| 13:42.58 | ktne | abrotman: it's a fresh install desktop |
| 13:43.02 | WormFood | I have my own checklist, to not forget my special patches (I do stuff I have not seen done before...at least not like I do it) |
| 13:43.03 | abrotman | ktne: neither ia yours :) |
| 13:43.13 | dFence | jelly-home: it had to to be me, there was no other way round it. |
| 13:43.23 | ktne | abrotman: but i want to use firefox3, do i have to boot back to windows to use it? |
| 13:43.33 | abrotman | ktne: the "easiest" way is to go to lenny, but things might still break |
| 13:43.34 | ktne | i mean, is it impossible to use at all with debian stable? |
| 13:43.39 | WormFood | SethX, I am kinda curious about that greylisting...just been too lazy to install it |
| 13:43.50 | ktne | abrotman: that's not very nice |
| 13:43.58 | abrotman | ktne: what isn't? |
| 13:44.06 | ktne | the way debian is designed on this :) |
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| 13:44.18 | jelly-home | dFence: Re: grub-config, you have to put your custom kernel before the autogenerated part of menu.lst |
| 13:44.29 | abrotman | ktne: it's a FF3 issue, not debian |
| 13:44.36 | WormFood | I gotta go....my girlfriend taught me to play chinese chess last night....and I beat her both games....now she is coming back for more |
| 13:44.42 | ktne | abrotman: it's a debian issue if you cannot upgrate a library |
| 13:44.45 | dFence | jelly-home: that would explain that... |
| 13:44.55 | SethX | i mean |
| 13:45.00 | SethX | greylisting |
| 13:45.01 | SethX | hmm |
| 13:45.08 | dFence | how can i set the default fb-mode? |
| 13:45.12 | jelly-home | !tell SethX -about enter |
| 13:45.14 | dFence | edit /etc/fbset? |
| 13:45.15 | abrotman | ktne: then you don't understand the meaning of debiaan stable |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | ktne: moment |
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| 13:45.31 | jelly-home | dFence: which fb driver are you using? |
| 13:45.35 | SethX | in the end i always have my emails hosted on gmail in the end, for reasons which are directly connected with spam |
| 13:45.38 | Nurulwai | My swap partition has no uuid. Have I screwed something up or is there something I have to do first? |
| 13:45.43 | dFence | jelly-home: ati rage somtething something |
| 13:45.49 | SethX | their spamfilter is better than anybody's else i've seen |
| 13:45.49 | jelly-home | dFence: atyfb? |
| 13:45.56 | SethX | jelly-home: yah yah :) |
| 13:45.59 | dFence | jelly-home: hang on |
| 13:46.27 | abrotman | ktne: libgtk2.0-0 right? |
| 13:46.37 | ktne | abrotman: that's what i have, right |
| 13:46.43 | ktne | abrotman: actually it's reported as 2.8 |
| 13:46.46 | dFence | aaah what's the path to the fbdrivers in menuconfig? |
| 13:46.50 | ktne | abrotman: and ff3 wants 2.10 |
| 13:46.54 | jelly-home | dFence: if it's vesafb, if can't change the mode after boot, so you have to add the preferred vga=... to the kernel parameters |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | ktne: iknow .. i thought there was a backport but i was wrong |
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| 13:47.38 | dFence | jelly-home: i think i know why the system went black.... |
| 13:48.18 | ktne | abrotman: ok .. |
| 13:48.22 | SethX | WormFood: jelly-home ok, disactivating greylisting fixed the problem |
| 13:48.31 | jelly-home | !win SethX |
| 13:48.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, SethX! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 13:48.40 | SethX | wow! |
| 13:48.42 | abrotman | ktne: let me look again |
| 13:48.55 | dFence | hey, ill throw in my own collection counting ~200 CDs |
| 13:48.57 | SethX | i'll hang those on my wall-collect-aol-frisbees |
| 13:48.57 | WormFood | good deal SethX...now get greylisting working, and reenable it |
| 13:49.15 | SethX | i dont like greylisting actually |
| 13:49.25 | SethX | it delays way too many messages |
| 13:49.54 | jelly-home | it also isn't that effective as it was a year or two back |
| 13:50.02 | SethX | and some providers [yahoo, iirc] dont work well with it |
| 13:50.10 | dFence | jelly-home: the fb-driver is ATY128. |
| 13:50.16 | jelly-home | SethX: you whitelist those |
| 13:50.25 | dFence | can someone explain to me why my pc powers down when i modprobe apm?! |
| 13:50.38 | jelly-home | dFence: good, that one supports changing the mode after boot |
| 13:50.43 | abrotman | ktne: unless you have a super strong reason not to, i'd use lenny for a desktop/laptop |
| 13:50.56 | abrotman | ktne: shitty solution i know |
| 13:51.08 | dFence | jelly-home: ok, but i want to set it at boot time, so i'd have to usa vga= as kernelparameter, right? |
| 13:51.16 | ktne | abrotman: how do i use lenny? |
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| 13:51.28 | guzu | what's lenny? |
| 13:51.30 | dFence | ask carl |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | !tell ktne about etch->lenny |
| 13:51.45 | guzu | !lenny |
| 13:51.45 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
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| 13:51.53 | abrotman | ktne: you understand the implications of using lenny/testing, right? |
| 13:51.59 | abrotman | !tell guzu about msg the bot |
| 13:52.18 | guzu | thnx abrotman |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | i think the 9.08 already slipped .. |
| 13:53.05 | jelly-home | dFence: you can still use video=aty128fb:1280x1024-8 (I don't remember the exact syntax) in menu.lst |
| 13:53.21 | wols | abrotman: you don't say? |
| 13:53.30 | abrotman | wols!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:53.32 | abrotman | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:53.34 | abrotman | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | stops |
| 13:53.46 | wols | runs away |
| 13:53.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:53.51 | jelly-home | !!!! |
| 13:53.52 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 13:53.55 | wols | has a bad heart you know |
| 13:54.10 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:54.42 | asg | abrotman: with his dicky heart and your broken clavicle, you make a great pair |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:55.10 | jelly-home | asg: a buddy-buddy movie? Or gay porn? |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | asg: this one-handed typing really sucks |
| 13:55.27 | ktne | abrotman: i decided to get opera 9.5 beta |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:55.35 | ktne | abrotman: should be a good replacement for ff3 beta :) |
| 13:55.39 | wols | what did you do? some newbie didn't like what you said to him here? |
| 13:55.42 | asg | abrotman: think about it this way, once you get better, you'll have the necessary skills developed to drink and irc |
| 13:55.49 | abrotman | i agree i prefer opera |
| 13:55.53 | asg | jelly-home: hard to say |
| 13:55.54 | ktne | abrotman: i see :) |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | wols: bike accident |
| 13:56.12 | wols | likes ffox. 3 is a step in the right direction again after the abysmal 2.x |
| 13:56.31 | wols | even when they have vista syndrome (or is the sqlite stuff and such in now?) |
| 13:57.14 | liable | the grumpy old fart returns! |
| 13:57.30 | asg | I'm not that old |
| 13:57.45 | liable | the *other*.. |
| 13:57.45 | wols | and I don't fart (much) |
| 13:57.59 | dFence | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 14:00.08 | abrotman | wols: -ot? |
| 14:00.10 | jelly-home | ... how do I make the system beep more quiet? |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: depends |
| 14:00.31 | dFence | jelly-home: just found a console from when i updated openssh, last displayed msg was the system-broadcast The system is going down for system halt NOW! |
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| 14:01.27 | jelly-home | not totally quiet, mind you. I know how to blacklist a module (and maybe even how to make initrd know about that blacklistage) |
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| 14:01.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: aumix .. bring the volume down? |
| 14:02.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah... didn't work |
| 14:02.05 | asg | or grow longer arms and type from further away |
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| 14:02.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: alsa-ixer? |
| 14:02.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: used alsamixer, though |
| 14:02.23 | liable | beep is damn load though |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | aumix if there's no alsa |
| 14:02.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: the "PC Squeaker" control does nothing |
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| 14:04.38 | xingu | jelly-home: setterm -blength/ -bfreq ? |
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| 14:04.57 | jelly-home | xingu: ... -bvol :-) |
| 14:05.31 | xingu | jelly-home: no such animal on many systems afaik |
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| 14:06.20 | jelly-home | someone _must have_ created a replacement that used the audio card and samples instead of beep by now! |
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| 14:06.31 | bAndie91 | hi all |
| 14:06.33 | AwesomeGuy | what's with the foot? |
| 14:06.37 | mrfree | hi all |
| 14:06.51 | AwesomeGuy | hi all |
| 14:06.58 | jelly-home | /nick all |
| 14:07.13 | xingu | jelly-home: too complex; it's a dc circuit attached to a buffer attached to an isa port address from memory |
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| 14:07.52 | xingu | jelly-home: to synthesize it you've got three choices; attach it as an input to a mixer, intercept the software api, or intercept the io in smm |
| 14:08.08 | mrfree | I'm using etch on my athlon xp 2400+ with ati 9600xt video card, I noticed that when I randomly move a window on the desktop continuously Xorg process swallow 80% of the CPU!!! |
| 14:08.09 | bAndie91 | know anyone, why not works lpadmin, however im in lpadmin group |
| 14:08.13 | xingu | jelly-home: the last isn't going to happen (you're more likely to just see the port dropped outright in legacy-free) |
| 14:08.17 | mrfree | and the movement isn't "fluid" |
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| 14:08.29 | mrfree | I think it's strange, isn't it? |
| 14:08.30 | jelly-home | xingu: and I'm not a bios writer either |
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| 14:08.59 | jelly-home | intercept the software api sounds doable |
| 14:09.02 | xingu | jelly-home: because the audio output is such rubbish quality I doubt any embedded (notebook/ htc/ fanless micro) design is going to waste a mixer channel on it |
| 14:09.28 | jelly-home | xingu: the thing is audible on my speakers. That's why I want to quiet it |
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| 14:09.33 | mrfree | both with exa and xaa |
| 14:09.36 | xingu | jelly-home: agree, alsa-ifying the relevant kernel api is most likely |
| 14:09.51 | mrfree | and no differences with vesa and ati driver |
| 14:10.22 | xingu | jelly-home: drop the frequency - it's damn tricky to produce pcm on that bit bangin' output so people don't which means that power (dB) correlates to frequency |
| 14:10.45 | jelly-home | xingu: I could make it 15kHz ;-) |
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| 14:10.59 | omry | what's the best way to install nvidia drivers on etch right now? the one-liner fails due to a missing package (nvidia-kernel-2.6-686) |
| 14:11.09 | omry | sorry, on lenny - not etch. |
| 14:11.40 | jelly-home | setterm does nothing... I'm sure it worked, on a console, in 1996. |
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| 14:12.01 | xingu | jelly-home: oh you're talking x11 speaker bing? |
| 14:12.07 | jelly-home | xingu: yez |
| 14:12.20 | AwesomeGuy | is it better to format a floppy with ext2 or fat |
| 14:12.22 | xingu | jelly-home: xset, or your WM will have properties probably |
| 14:12.39 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: up to you |
| 14:12.58 | AwesomeGuy | what are the advantages of both |
| 14:12.59 | xingu | jelly-home: I always go for visual bell - it's _faster_ than waiting for the tone to play out, which matters if you accidentally dump a binary file to terminal output :) |
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| 14:13.45 | xingu | jelly-home: xset b volume pitch duration |
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| 14:14.03 | FrankTheTank | hello, i am making a cs:s dedicated server and i have a directory with "hldsupdatetool.bin" and i cd there, then i type ./hldsupdatetool.bin and it tells me "bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory" |
| 14:14.07 | xingu | jelly-home: or your WM's control panel for same |
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| 14:14.22 | Cyan | is there any application for debian to watch the system's and cpu's tempratures? |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | many |
| 14:14.36 | Cyan | can u name one plx? |
| 14:14.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:14.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:15.09 | Cyan | hmmm? ;P |
| 14:15.30 | jelly-home | xingu: eh, xset's volume thing does nothing as well. I bet it worked on an SGI somewhere... |
| 14:15.35 | debian | dpkg: U = YOU |
| 14:15.35 | dpkg | debian: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 14:15.46 | enouf | do /msg dpkg bell -- or, just do what i do - rmmod and blacklist pcspkr ;-) .. heck, even alsa has a slider for it |
| 14:15.52 | jelly-home | debian: do not argue with the bot |
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| 14:15.58 | ehird | best way to get ff3.0rc1? |
| 14:16.02 | jelly-home | enouf: slider no workie |
| 14:16.02 | ehird | stable |
| 14:16.07 | azeem | ehird: none |
| 14:16.11 | bAndie91 | know anyone, why not works lpadmin, however im in lpadmin group? |
| 14:16.13 | ehird | azeem: lovely |
| 14:16.14 | enouf | jelly-home: aye .. never used it ;-) |
| 14:16.18 | debian | jelly-home: I have to agree with the boot? |
| 14:16.19 | azeem | ehird: wait till Debian releases with it |
| 14:16.27 | AwesomeGuy | what's with the foot? |
| 14:16.40 | azeem | ehird: or it hits testing, and a stable backport gets developped |
| 14:16.40 | jelly-home | debian: I didn't say that. Just don't argue with t. |
| 14:16.54 | FrankTheTank | why is it when i try to run a .bin file in debian it gives me a "bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory" error |
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| 14:17.13 | debian | jelly-home: Are you login the private messages to the bot? |
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| 14:17.50 | jelly-home | debian: I'm ignoring you, sorry. No need to address me. |
| 14:18.51 | AwesomeGuy | why can't a floppy be formatted with ext3 and only ext2? same with why can't windows format a floppy with ntfs instead of fat.. |
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| 14:19.36 | et_alia | AwesomeGuy: Why would you want a journal on a floppy? |
| 14:19.37 | omry | it's not possible to install nvidia drivers 'the debian way' on testing? |
| 14:19.53 | AwesomeGuy | idk |
| 14:20.03 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 14:20.25 | et_alia | More poignantly, why would you use a floppy for anything but telling your kids stories? |
| 14:20.25 | Lagbolt | omry yeah but you have to get them from sid :) |
| 14:20.31 | Lagbolt | maybe from etch but for sure works from sid |
| 14:20.51 | omry | Lagbolt: can you help me with this please? |
| 14:20.56 | Lagbolt | sure |
| 14:20.56 | et_alia | "back in my day... *wheeze* we had 1.44MB disks!" <-- Honestly the only use I can think of for a floppy. |
| 14:21.06 | jelly-home | AwesomeGuy: don't make a filesystem at all. Just put a tar.gz on it directly. |
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| 14:21.09 | abrotman | et_alia: i've used them for system installs |
| 14:21.17 | xingu | jelly-home: in that case your WM may be doing something odd with the event - if you configure your WM for visual bell, does that do the expected? |
| 14:21.19 | abrotman | et_alia: on alphas :) |
| 14:21.40 | et_alia | Haha. Installing VAX/VMS probably too |
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| 14:21.52 | et_alia | had an old AlphaServer DS10 that ran VMS. |
| 14:22.00 | et_alia | returns to topic. |
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| 14:22.11 | AwesomeGuy | you can't have files on a floppy without a filesystem.. you can't have files on anything without a filesystem. |
| 14:22.18 | Lagbolt | omry, add unstable source, and then add a file to /etc/apt/apt.d.conf called 02preferdistro. in that file put --> APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 14:22.22 | xingu | jelly-home: from memory xset twiddles the server state; but the WM is at liberty to intercept the event and rewrite/ reroute it via esd or as an alsa event, or visual bell, or whatever. |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: yes you can |
| 14:22.26 | dFence | i remember dusting a shelf and finding a pack of installation-fds for win311 *lol* |
| 14:22.28 | et_alia | AwesomeGuy: Sure can. man dd |
| 14:22.31 | dFence | sth like 20 fds |
| 14:22.33 | Lagbolt | omry, then apt-get update and install the debian way :) |
| 14:22.34 | asg | AwesomeGuy: files are just bits |
| 14:22.42 | omry | Lagbolt: how do I get them from sid? last time I installed that driver (same card, different computer), I asked here and got many cnoflicting responses about what is the right thing to do. eventually we got it to work. I think we used the approach of creating a deb for it somehow. |
| 14:22.49 | AwesomeGuy | then what does the filesystem do |
| 14:22.53 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: floppies don't have partitions though - and yes you can have raw file data |
| 14:23.03 | et_alia | A filesystem organizes allocations via inode tables |
| 14:23.04 | asg | AwesomeGuy: allows bits to have meta-data |
| 14:23.04 | xingu | jelly-home: all the server itself knows how to do is use the tty ioctl's or whatever to play a console beep, nothing more |
| 14:23.09 | jelly-home | xingu: I'll have to grep thru xfce documentation first |
| 14:23.11 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 14:23.14 | Lagbolt | omry if you do what i just said your system will prefer testing and only pull in unstable if it is the only thing available |
| 14:23.43 | silverpower | Is xserver-xorg the metapackage for X.Org? It seems to be, but as I didn't use tasksel (and it's been a long while since I've used Debian daily), I want to be sure I get everything that X needs to work. |
| 14:23.44 | omry | Lagbolt: is this generally a good idea? sounds a bit dangerous. |
| 14:23.52 | et_alia | AwesomeGuy: Just picture your floppy as a chunk of data. When you need that data, you simply read it directly, just as you would a sector on your hdd |
| 14:23.54 | Lagbolt | i do it :) works fine |
| 14:24.05 | Lagbolt | the only package you will pull in are the nvidia drivers from unstable |
| 14:24.08 | liable | rdd: in any case, i'm not sure what to do about ath5k not working. post to the ath5k list would be the best bet, with as much info as you can supply |
| 14:24.10 | Lagbolt | it is totally cool |
| 14:24.24 | liable | fuck |
| 14:24.24 | omry | Lagbolt: alright, trying :). |
| 14:24.25 | Lagbolt | the preferdistro file will make sure all upgrades other than that are to lenny |
| 14:24.27 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 14:24.34 | liable | damn split windows |
| 14:24.58 | Lagbolt | you can test it, after apt-get update do apt-cache policy openoffice.org and see if it wants to install testing or unstable version, if all goes as planned it will prefer testing |
| 14:25.08 | AwesomeGuy | so if i have a file on the floppy with no fs then will it still have the filename and all that |
| 14:25.15 | et_alia | I think the single smartest linux move I ever made -- was binding caps lock to control |
| 14:25.17 | asg | AwesomeGuy: no |
| 14:25.17 | jelly-home | AwesomeGuy: no. |
| 14:25.24 | et_alia | Not one other change has saved me as much time. Ever. |
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| 14:25.48 | AwesomeGuy | oh |
| 14:25.56 | omry | Lagbolt: should I also add security updates for unstable? |
| 14:25.59 | silverpower | Lagbolt: thanks, that answers my other question, too. :) I was about to give in and install the drivers manually... |
| 14:26.00 | Lagbolt | no |
| 14:26.01 | AwesomeGuy | well then a fs sounds needed |
| 14:26.12 | jelly-home | AwesomeGuy: but if you place a .tar archive on a floppy, its contents will have their filenames and other metadata, because those are a part of tar format |
| 14:26.13 | abrotman | wanted |
| 14:26.15 | abrotman | not needed |
| 14:26.25 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: not for something like SBM |
| 14:26.27 | et_alia | AwesomeGuy: You know how you label the file on a floppy disk |
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| 14:26.32 | Lagbolt | you will not pull in security stuff, just add the source and get nvidia, if you are scared you can remove the source once it is done |
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| 14:26.39 | et_alia | AwesomeGuy: ...with a label. An adhesive label. |
| 14:26.44 | vjoe | hey |
| 14:26.44 | Lagbolt | but i use it no prob. sometimes i want something from unstable and i force it to come in |
| 14:26.50 | vjoe | guys, which decoder is needed to play m4a files? |
| 14:26.51 | jelly-home | et_alia: nowai! |
| 14:26.52 | Lagbolt | then eventually it moves to testing and all is back to norm |
| 14:26.55 | AwesomeGuy | well what if I'm putting multiple files.. |
| 14:26.55 | Lagbolt | silverpower, no prob |
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| 14:27.04 | et_alia | jelly-home: I know. It's psyche-shattering news |
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| 14:27.06 | silverpower | AwesomeGuy: An FS is needed only if the code that boots from it needs it. |
| 14:27.10 | vjoe | well, the decoder is MPEG-4 AAC but I need the package |
| 14:27.13 | enouf | use ext2 is fine for flop |
| 14:27.34 | jelly-home | et_alia: it's like when I had a Commodore 128 and those 5.25" floppies! |
| 14:27.46 | enouf | et_alia: Sharpie ftw heh |
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| 14:28.42 | enouf | vjoe: does ffmpeg give it to you? seen debian-multimedia? |
| 14:29.29 | et_alia | jelly-home: my first computer was an 8086, I think it had ... 4MB RAM. and a ~10mhz proc. |
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| 14:29.46 | et_alia | in "turbo" mode (i shit you not there was a turbo mode) |
| 14:29.55 | vjoe | I've installed ffmpeg package but it still can't play it |
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| 14:30.11 | abrotman | many had "turbo" |
| 14:30.18 | enouf | my p150 has a turbo mode, which actually reduces it back down ;-) |
| 14:30.41 | enouf | vjoe: ask in #mplayer |
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| 14:30.50 | enouf | vjoe: or #vlc |
| 14:31.12 | et_alia | Ah the good old pentium days, that was my first beast... slack running on a p2-233 |
| 14:31.14 | omry | Lagbolt: hmm, the nvidia kernel package is still missing after I added unstable. |
| 14:31.16 | xingu | the z81 had a turbo mode - turn the display controller off, removed the contention between the ramdac and host memory bus |
| 14:31.16 | enouf | vjoe: ffmpeg is a good pkg to have anyway ;-) |
| 14:31.22 | xingu | s/z81/zx81/ |
| 14:31.41 | et_alia | xingu: hey, you gotta make sacrifices in the pursuit of more power ;) |
| 14:31.46 | Lagbolt | vjoe, thats the audio right? |
| 14:32.02 | xingu | the best thing about the c=64 disk drive was that its processor had more grunt than the c64 itself |
| 14:32.05 | Lagbolt | vlc def plays those,i played some ipod stuff that was m4a |
| 14:32.14 | vjoe | yeah |
| 14:32.21 | Lagbolt | omry, really? |
| 14:32.40 | Lagbolt | it is there for me |
| 14:32.40 | omry | Lagbolt: so it seems. I run the oneliner and get the same missing package |
| 14:32.48 | enouf | vjoe: using etch? do; /msg dpkg dmme |
| 14:32.49 | Lagbolt | what are you trying? |
| 14:32.57 | Lagbolt | omry, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 14:33.05 | vjoe | lenny |
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| 14:33.10 | vjoe | will it work? |
| 14:33.12 | Lagbolt | omry, m-a a-i nvidia :) |
| 14:33.19 | enouf | vjoe: then /msg dpkg dmm |
| 14:33.21 | Lagbolt | let module assistance pull in what it needs |
| 14:33.32 | omry | Lagbolt: nvidia-kernel-source is not available |
| 14:33.41 | Lagbolt | yeah? |
| 14:33.45 | omry | aye |
| 14:33.53 | dFence | how do i get back from grub-console to grub splash/menu? |
| 14:33.56 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 14:34.39 | enouf | omry: you added a 'deb-src ... ' line only right? |
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| 14:34.39 | Lagbolt | cause i see it with "apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-source" |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | Lagbolt: stop for a minute |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | omry: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:34.40 | liable | dFence: you cant really, if you hit 'e' you get stuck in that till you hit 'b' afaik. |
| 14:35.00 | Lagbolt | abrotman, thats what i said dude. and you dont need deb-src for it. i pull it in from regular repo |
| 14:35.07 | enouf | dFence: liable i don't think so, IIRC |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | Lagbolt: just stop |
| 14:35.29 | dFence | liable: i'm in the config-console (grub>) at boot time |
| 14:35.32 | abrotman | Lagbolt: did you tell him about pinning? or just to add the unstable source and go nuts ? |
| 14:35.37 | Lagbolt | yeah dude |
| 14:35.41 | dFence | and i want out to check if the changes i made work |
| 14:35.42 | abrotman | yeah WHAT? |
| 14:35.44 | Lagbolt | abrotman, read before you say stop dude |
| 14:35.46 | dFence | without reboot |
| 14:35.48 | vjoe | its working |
| 14:35.49 | Lagbolt | he setup prefered distro |
| 14:35.50 | enouf | the 'e' then editing not followed by a 'b' will not load your changes though dFence |
| 14:35.52 | vjoe | I managed to solve it |
| 14:35.53 | vjoe | thanks anyway |
| 14:35.53 | apt | vjoe: de rien |
| 14:35.56 | Lagbolt | i am not a retard |
| 14:35.56 | liable | enouf: not surprised if i'm wrong, but you should tell dFence :) |
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| 14:36.01 | abrotman | Lagbolt: are you sure he did? or you're just thinking he did ? |
| 14:36.08 | enouf | liable: trying ;-) |
| 14:36.09 | Lagbolt | i also told him to test it |
| 14:36.13 | Lagbolt | with apt-cache policy |
| 14:36.16 | Lagbolt | to make sure it was pinned |
| 14:36.18 | abrotman | omry: show us your sources.list |
| 14:36.32 | liable | dFence: at a grub prompt? |
| 14:36.38 | dFence | liable: yo |
| 14:36.52 | liable | thats not what i was thinking then.. |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:37.02 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
| 14:37.08 | Lagbolt | he keeps going and coming back |
| 14:37.19 | dFence | *d'ack* ESC-key... |
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| 14:37.33 | Lagbolt | omry whats up with connection? |
| 14:37.35 | omry | abrotman: http://yadan.net/omry/sources.list |
| 14:37.35 | abrotman | omry: paste your sources.list and your /etc/apt/preferences in a pastebin |
| 14:37.36 | enouf | dFence> liable: i'm in the config-console (grub>) at boot time <-- if you didn't boot in menu, then that's a different story |
| 14:37.42 | omry | abrotman: but I am using apt-cacher |
| 14:37.52 | abrotman | omry: and your preferences file |
| 14:38.12 | liable | enouf: no need to rub my nose in my bad memory :P |
| 14:38.15 | dFence | *sigh* splashimage is not working.... |
| 14:38.16 | enouf | dFence: but grub can/does have a facilty for loading menu.lst from elsewhere, IIRC, just never had to, so i don't know |
| 14:38.36 | abrotman | sees one problem already |
| 14:38.37 | enouf | liable: apologies, didn't want to edit an exact quote :-P |
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| 14:38.39 | dFence | enouf: that would be cat i guess.. |
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| 14:38.48 | enouf | dFence: well, no |
| 14:38.51 | omry | abrotman: http://yadan.net/omry/apt.conf |
| 14:38.58 | enouf | but you can use cat, find, whatever |
| 14:39.00 | dFence | enouf: just read the help line ;D |
| 14:39.06 | enouf | heh |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | omry: you don't have a 'contrib non-free' for your unstable source |
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| 14:39.29 | Lagbolt | :) that will do it |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | !tell omry about pinning |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | omry: you should really setup pinning .. |
| 14:40.20 | enouf | dFence: you might want to look atr grml.org/faq - their livecd boot allows a few cool grub options, not sure why you;re in grub-console to begin with, nor what your goal is |
| 14:40.28 | omry | abrotman: using testing as the default distro is not enough? |
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| 14:40.39 | Lagbolt | abrotman, yeah same question for ya |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | i don't think it's quite the same |
| 14:40.55 | abrotman | could be wrong .. but i don't think it's the same as pinning |
| 14:40.59 | dFence | enouf: i'm in grub console cause i hit "c" from the boot menu :) |
| 14:41.00 | Lagbolt | yeah, thats what i thought, nothing unstable comes in for me unless pulled in with -t |
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| 14:41.21 | dbmoodb | hi ah guys i got a problem |
| 14:41.42 | dbmoodb | mkdir: cannot create directory `a': Read-only file system |
| 14:41.46 | dbmoodb | this is a new install too |
| 14:41.51 | omry | Lagbolt: could something unstable get in if it's available as a dependeny (and not avilable from testing) ? |
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| 14:42.10 | abrotman | dbmoodb: fsck your filesystem |
| 14:42.19 | dbmoodb | ... it is encrypted rofl |
| 14:42.23 | dbmoodb | will take some time |
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| 14:42.51 | Lagbolt | i not 100% sure the answer to that, i have 3 machines running preferred testing and never unstable package in unless i installed it. now it will pull in needed dependancies from unstable but i dont go wild. |
| 14:42.56 | omry | Lagbolt: what was the m-a a-i line again? |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | Lagbolt: pinning is a lot more flexible |
| 14:42.58 | Lagbolt | i only use it to install simple things i really want |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | !tell omry about nvidia post-etch |
| 14:43.21 | Lagbolt | m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 14:44.23 | Lagbolt | oh that is nice. i need to search dpkg more |
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| 14:44.50 | enouf | dFence: oh yeah, duh ;-) |
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| 14:44.59 | Lagbolt | abrotman, how do you use the search ? /msg dpkg search "keywords"? |
| 14:45.07 | abrotman | nope |
| 14:45.07 | enouf | dFence: then esc gets the menu.lst back? |
| 14:45.14 | dFence | enouf: yup |
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| 14:45.18 | abrotman | !tell Lagbolt about search |
| 14:45.19 | enouf | bingo |
| 14:45.27 | omry | abrotman: thanks. running it now. |
| 14:45.34 | enouf | liable: got that? |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | !tell Lagbolt about your factoids |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | !tell Lagbolt about help |
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| 14:46.06 | Lagbolt | ah thats the one |
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| 14:47.08 | omry | assuming I am installing like with m-a, it's safe to assume it wont break if apt-get updates the (stock) kernel I am running? |
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| 14:48.09 | Lagbolt | the 24 kern? |
| 14:48.42 | areels | i need someone to light my path, there are 30 static client, one sbs2003 server, one adsl router. i need to set up a firewall between adsl router and internal network. adsl router must have dhcp alive to serve wireless clients. what i have to do? who must run dns server? should i run a secondary dhcp server on firewall machine too? |
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| 14:49.01 | abrotman | debian? |
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| 14:49.06 | omry | abrotman: hmm, something wierd, after I run dpkg-recondigure xserver-xorg, I don't see any nvidia specific directices in xorg.conf. only "configured video device" and such. configured where? |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | maybe m-a faioled? |
| 14:49.20 | lesouvage | I just did a netinstall, uname -r has 2.6.18-6-486 as output. How do I install the proper kernel source. apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18-6-486 doesn't do the trick. |
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| 14:49.34 | valdyn | lesouvage: you dont, what do you really need? |
| 14:49.37 | abrotman | lesouvage: aptitude search linux-source |
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| 14:49.49 | omry | abrotman: don't think so. dpkg-reconfigure looks different. it didn't even give me a choice about the video card etc. |
| 14:50.05 | abrotman | omry: change it manually? NFC .. i don't buy nvidia crap :) |
| 14:50.15 | lesouvage | valdyn: I want to build Asterisk on a fresh debian system, for that i need the proper kernel source. |
| 14:50.33 | areels | i think i^ve no answer |
| 14:50.34 | areels | humm |
| 14:50.38 | wols | omry: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:50.39 | enouf | omry: and abrotman isn't that part of the new Xorg automagicness? |
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| 14:50.44 | abrotman | areels: how was your question related to Debian ? |
| 14:50.48 | abrotman | enouf: NFC |
| 14:50.53 | enouf | wols: yo yo fucken ma! |
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| 14:51.00 | enouf | abrotman: i see ;-) |
| 14:51.03 | wols | enouf: makes not much sense. vesa, nv or nvidia could be used |
| 14:51.07 | areels | questions must be debian related? |
| 14:51.08 | enouf | abrotman: good play :-P |
| 14:51.09 | wols | and how does it know which the user wants |
| 14:51.10 | omry | what's NFC? |
| 14:51.12 | valdyn | lesouvage: asterisk has a kernel part? |
| 14:51.19 | areels | well, i've tried network channel but no one there :) |
| 14:51.21 | abrotman | !nfc |
| 14:51.21 | dpkg | well, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 14:51.26 | enouf | wols: nfc ;-) |
| 14:51.27 | asg | omry: apt-get install bsdgames ; wtf is nfc |
| 14:51.28 | abrotman | areels: #networking ? |
| 14:51.50 | areels | thanks |
| 14:51.50 | apt | pas de quoi, areels |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | areels: if you're not planning on using Debian, you should ask elsewhere .. like ##linux or #networking |
| 14:52.05 | abrotman | areels: or ##windows |
| 14:52.06 | lesouvage | valdyn: I'm not fully in to that but when buidling it complaints that the proper kernel source is not available and stops the building. |
| 14:52.21 | areels | i'm not planning to use debian abrotman |
| 14:52.22 | entro | hi all |
| 14:52.24 | omry | wols: I got kbd and mouse. |
| 14:52.24 | areels | i'm already using it |
| 14:52.24 | valdyn | lesouvage: whats the real error message for building what exactly? |
| 14:52.27 | omry | as drivers |
| 14:52.31 | abrotman | does ##windows redirect to #pwnd ? |
| 14:52.36 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 14:52.40 | entro | lol |
| 14:52.41 | enouf | lesouvage: you sure you don't only need headers? ahh .. valdyn has you covered |
| 14:52.57 | omry | enouf: what's this new xorg goodness you are talking about? |
| 14:53.10 | valdyn | i bet he just does not need anything from kernel |
| 14:53.15 | omry | it sure looks like someone tried to simplfy things there. |
| 14:53.19 | Lagbolt | omry, you could install "nvidia-xconfig" <-- and man nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:53.19 | enouf | omry: i have no idea - just some birds chattering about ;-) |
| 14:53.20 | valdyn | but ets see the error message first |
| 14:53.46 | xuser | valdyn: let him start the source lol |
| 14:53.52 | xuser | s/start/install |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | how about fix one nvidia problem at a time |
| 14:54.13 | enouf | omry: would #xorg-devel know more? not sure if that would apply to debian-ness |
| 14:54.13 | xuser | alot of apps need the source, 'vmware' to name one. |
| 14:54.22 | abrotman | xuser: no it doesn't |
| 14:54.25 | lesouvage | valdyn: this is the message I got: You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-6-486 kernel installed. |
| 14:54.26 | lesouvage | exit 1 |
| 14:54.43 | valdyn | lesouvage: when building what exactly? |
| 14:54.50 | valdyn | lesouvage: i cant see the kernel part of asterisk |
| 14:54.54 | xuser | abrotman: some vmware do when installing the .tar.gz |
| 14:55.06 | abrotman | xuser: uhm .. not any time i've done it |
| 14:55.17 | valdyn | lesouvage: but your error is covered by "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r), likely |
| 14:55.33 | wols | xuser: vmware doesn't need kernel source |
| 14:55.57 | omry | enouf: let me tell you this much: the wierd new xorg.conf works fine for 2d. looks like it even picked the correct reslution for my monitor. but it's not using nvidia drivers. |
| 14:56.00 | valdyn | only some broken device drivers need the kernel source |
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| 14:56.24 | Lagbolt | omry, whats the deal? kernel driver compiled and loads? |
| 14:56.32 | Lagbolt | omri, you did install nvidia-glx right? :) |
| 14:56.35 | syamajala2 | anyone know how to make backspace delete the characters before the cursor instead of after |
| 14:56.46 | lesouvage | valdyn: this is with making zaptel, the driver that do the timing and hadling milions of interrupts. |
| 14:56.54 | enouf | omry: ok - but i never used the 3D drivers, not debian's, not nvidia's .run. so i can't say |
| 14:57.04 | lesouvage | valdyn: it seem to work, thanks a lot |
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| 14:57.16 | lesouvage | valdyn: at least the source is installed |
| 14:57.40 | valdyn | zaptel-source - Zapata telephony interface (source code for kernel driver) |
| 14:57.40 | omry | Lagbolt: what's the name of the kernel driver ? |
| 14:57.41 | enouf | syamajala2: overwrite mode? |
| 14:57.51 | Lagbolt | omry "nvidia" |
| 14:57.51 | xuser | omry: sid? |
| 14:57.53 | valdyn | lesouvage: alright, asterisk was misleading me obviously |
| 14:58.09 | Lagbolt | if it built you can load with "modprobe nvidia" |
| 14:58.13 | omry | Lagbolt: it's loaded (sees it in lsmods) |
| 14:58.17 | Lagbolt | cool |
| 14:58.21 | mrfree | anyone known where I can find the latest xserver-xorg-video-ati for etch?? |
| 14:58.27 | xuser | wols: it has always complain about the source for me. |
| 14:58.28 | omry | xuser: lenny. |
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| 14:58.37 | mrfree | version 6.7.194 |
| 14:58.42 | syamajala2 | enouf: what is that? |
| 14:58.42 | Lagbolt | you need to configure xorg.conf to use it. if you dont have driver section you can add it , or maybe use nvidia-xcofig |
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| 14:58.53 | Conando | hi |
| 14:58.53 | apt | hi, conando |
| 14:58.57 | Lagbolt | there is documentation |
| 14:58.58 | valdyn | xuser: thats because it does not know that debian splits the headers off |
| 14:59.05 | wols | xuser: but you still don't want source but headers |
| 14:59.22 | wols | valdyn: and that source doesn't work since it needs CONFIGURED source |
| 14:59.27 | Conando | when running mke2fs device how does the system determine the default filesystem to be added to this device+ |
| 14:59.28 | Conando | ? |
| 14:59.29 | Lagbolt | omry, look in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx |
| 14:59.34 | valdyn | wols: right |
| 14:59.43 | Lagbolt | omri, file is called README.txt.gz <-- has all instructions you need |
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| 15:00.14 | deadcat | just installed linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686 but it doesnt seem to have alsa? |
| 15:00.19 | deadcat | i mean linux-iamge |
| 15:00.31 | valdyn | deadcat: why would you think that? |
| 15:00.41 | Conando | any ideas on the filesystem? |
| 15:00.44 | wols | deadcat: start over. you talk gibberish there |
| 15:00.45 | deadcat | valdyn: modprobe -l |grep alsa didnt return much |
| 15:00.50 | deadcat | oh |
| 15:00.58 | deadcat | is that the latest kernel to get? |
| 15:01.02 | valdyn | deadcat: thats no indicator for anything |
| 15:01.19 | wols | Conando: what's there to know. mke2fs makes a ext2 fs |
| 15:01.44 | Conando | oh |
| 15:01.53 | Conando | mke3fs makes ext3? |
| 15:01.55 | deadcat | let me reboot and see again |
| 15:02.09 | deadcat | i am still on 2.6.21 on the desktop |
| 15:02.21 | asg | Conando: mke2fs -j (for ext3) |
| 15:02.25 | enouf | wols: were you referring to zaptel-source? --> "and that source doesn't work since it needs CONFIGURED source" ? |
| 15:02.26 | Lagbolt | deadcat, grepping for alsa? that doesnt return much of anything |
| 15:02.29 | wols | Conando: mke2fs -j makes ext3 |
| 15:02.46 | Lagbolt | deadcat, try lsmod | grep snd |
| 15:02.48 | wols | enouf: no. programs that need "kernel source" for compiling a module. like vmware |
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| 15:02.59 | syamajala2 | enouf: i tried doing this http://blog.gwikzone.org/articles/2007/10/30/enable-backspace-when-ssh-into-a-debian-machine-with-zsh |
| 15:02.59 | deadcat | Lagbolt: k. rebooting |
| 15:03.00 | enouf | Conando: likewise mkfs.ext3 |
| 15:03.03 | Lagbolt | rebooting? |
| 15:03.04 | Lagbolt | why? |
| 15:03.05 | Lagbolt | noooooooooooooo |
| 15:03.09 | Conando | intresting, thanks |
| 15:03.13 | deadcat | Lagbolt: diff kernel |
| 15:03.16 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 15:03.21 | enouf | wols: ok, thanks for clarifying |
| 15:03.22 | Lagbolt | you switched back |
| 15:03.23 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 15:03.27 | deadcat | ya (= |
| 15:03.32 | syamajala2 | enouf: but when i log in with ssh it says ~/.zshrc:31: bad patternt ^{{3~ |
| 15:03.41 | Lagbolt | whats wrong with 24 kern :) |
| 15:04.09 | deadcat | Lagbolt: 2.6.21 is fine. i just figure i should install a latest stock kernel and see whats up |
| 15:04.27 | solemnwarning | Are the vmlinuz and initrd files from a netinst ISO the same ones I need for netinst USB drive? |
| 15:04.30 | abrotman | you should know how then |
| 15:04.32 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
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| 15:04.36 | enouf | syamajala2: hrm, tricky .. something with maybe /etc/inputrc ? no idea reallu |
| 15:04.40 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 15:04.40 | dpkg | somebody said usb install was Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 15:04.59 | Lagbolt | that is the latest in unstable |
| 15:05.05 | deadcat | Lagbolt: ya. |
| 15:05.13 | syamajala2 | enouf: well, i'm running debian as a domU with xen, and logging in with ssh |
| 15:05.23 | Lagbolt | ok :) just checking. |
| 15:05.32 | deadcat | been using unstable for years |
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| 15:05.51 | enouf | syamajala2: now, i really have no idea :-p |
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| 15:06.04 | deadcat | ok. i have snd in lsmod but no sound. |
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| 15:06.31 | Lagbolt | deadcat, did you upgrade and loose some packages? like alsa-utils? |
| 15:06.40 | Lagbolt | deadcat, what does alsa mixer show? |
| 15:06.48 | syamajala2 | enouf: i figured it out |
| 15:06.59 | enouf | \o/ |
| 15:07.00 | deadcat | Lagbolt: it shows my freakin usb webcam sound )= let me unplug it |
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| 15:07.25 | syamajala2 | enouf: i had to put the ^[[3~ in quotes |
| 15:07.28 | Lagbolt | lol usb webcam sound eh |
| 15:07.57 | deadcat | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 15:08.06 | deadcat | after unpluggin the webcam |
| 15:08.19 | cahoot | alsamixer -c1? |
| 15:08.28 | enouf | syamajala2: well, the one backspace not working issue i know is in the "/msg dpkg backspace broke" factoid, but that doesn't seem to be what you wanted |
| 15:08.59 | Lagbolt | anyone using 25 kern with alsa? is possible needs new alsa-utils or something? no idea here, i run 24 cause nvidia isnt playing nice with 25 |
| 15:09.00 | deadcat | cahoot: now i see my sb live 5.1 |
| 15:09.20 | cahoot | deadcat: use asoundconf to that one the default |
| 15:09.34 | deadcat | k |
| 15:09.35 | Lagbolt | ah put usb as card 0? |
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| 15:09.40 | enouf | a ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 15:09.58 | cahoot | asoundconf creates an .asoundrc |
| 15:10.03 | enouf | right |
| 15:10.12 | deadcat | k |
| 15:10.25 | enouf | man asoundconf :-p |
| 15:11.19 | deadcat | my other problem with the new kernel is that nvidia is complaining about the kernel having xen compiled. |
| 15:11.32 | deadcat | i am not using the kernel with -xen blah blah |
| 15:11.39 | deadcat | or thats the one without? |
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| 15:12.00 | enouf | no, -<whatever> means appended |
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| 15:12.11 | enouf | so with ;-) |
| 15:12.19 | deadcat | right |
| 15:12.26 | deadcat | damn |
| 15:12.37 | enouf | like -bigmem say |
| 15:12.37 | fat_lobyte | Hi! |
| 15:13.11 | fat_lobyte | I'm trying to set up an apt proxy, but I fail to import my packages from /var/cache/apt/packages |
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| 15:13.27 | fat_lobyte | I get loads and loads of error messages: http://paste.debian.net/3303/ |
| 15:14.03 | fat_lobyte | there is enough of that above and below, and actually I had to stop it with ^C |
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| 15:14.34 | AwesomeGuy | any good programs for emulating ms-dos |
| 15:14.39 | AwesomeGuy | on deb |
| 15:15.09 | enouf | dosemu? |
| 15:15.17 | cahoot | aptitude search dos? |
| 15:15.17 | asg | qemu |
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| 15:15.28 | AwesomeGuy | I'll try dosem |
| 15:15.31 | AwesomeGuy | *emu |
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| 15:17.07 | Afk | how do i change bash shell for all users to a colored one? |
| 15:17.17 | enouf | fat_lobyte: have you tried http_proxy=http://server:port ? |
| 15:17.19 | deadcat | Afk: PS1 ? |
| 15:17.19 | AwesomeGuy | lol, dosemu screwed up.. |
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| 15:17.23 | SethX | wintix: |
| 15:17.35 | rdz | hi all. for an art installation i am setting up a box, that is running two processes, that communicate over a local tcp socket. those programs aren't that stable, so i wrote a script, that checks, whether they are running, and if not, it restarts them. the problem i have: when one of the processes crashes, it sometimes cannot bind the socket and it says 'Address already in use. how can i free a certain port? |
| 15:17.37 | Afk | deadcat: thats only for the current user thought right? |
| 15:17.38 | SethX | WormFood: i still cant get the darn logger to work... |
| 15:17.44 | enouf | Afk: in /etc/profile, iinm |
| 15:17.46 | deadcat | Afk: global setting |
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| 15:18.06 | enouf | Afk: or add it also to /etc/default/useradd so all newly added users get it ? |
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| 15:18.11 | SethX | WormFood: i'd probably need some input from you |
| 15:18.21 | fat_lobyte | enouf: what's "server" and what's "port" ? |
| 15:18.31 | deadcat | Afk: i think you can edit the files in /etc/skels |
| 15:18.33 | enouf | fat_lobyte: your proxy server/port |
| 15:18.34 | Cyan | i installed lm-sensors and in the config step i was pressing on the default options but it doesn't rly work :( |
| 15:19.10 | loca|host | !xfs |
| 15:19.10 | dpkg | xfs is probably "the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or far better and more mature than <reiserfs>, but not as mature (in linux) as <ext3>. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures." |
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| 15:20.29 | jelly-home | AwesomeGuy: dosbox |
| 15:20.31 | fat_lobyte | enouf: it's a local proxy. I enabled it, set "http_proxy = localhost:9999", restarted the server but still no luck |
| 15:20.44 | AwesomeGuy | ok, I'll try dosbox.. |
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| 15:20.52 | seeds | how can i mount a sandisk mp3 player in debian? |
| 15:21.01 | enouf | fat_lobyte: well, that's a session variable, use apt.conf to set it up system-wide |
| 15:21.49 | `nstuff | seeds prolly the same way you mount an usb device ;o |
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| 15:22.07 | jelly-home | deadcat: Re: 2.6.25 and nvidia, bugs.debian.org/481485 |
| 15:22.12 | seeds | k. nstuff |
| 15:22.13 | AcTiVaTe | seeds: What model? |
| 15:23.02 | fat_lobyte | enouf: Ok, sorry now I lost it... What do you mean by "http_proxy"? I thought you ment the variable in the file "apt-proxy-v2.conf", so I changed it and restarted the server with the ini.d script. Do i have to change it somewhere else? Do I have to start the proxy server to import the packages? |
| 15:23.07 | seeds | it's a 4 gig ActiVaTe |
| 15:23.23 | seeds | no. sorry. it is a sansa |
| 15:23.28 | enouf | fat_lobyte: $ man apt.conf -P 'less -p "^ http"' |
| 15:23.29 | Afk | sorry but i don't understand where in /etc/profile to add my export PS1=' statement |
| 15:23.31 | AcTiVaTe | seeds: c200, e200 ? |
| 15:23.36 | seeds | sandisk sansa |
| 15:24.00 | seeds | model e260v2 |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | Afk: you likely don't want that system wide |
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| 15:24.22 | enouf | fat_lobyte: afiak, it's /etc/apt/apt.conf -- i never used it though |
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| 15:25.22 | AcTiVaTe | seeds: Too bad, rockbox does not work on v2 series |
| 15:25.29 | seeds | k |
| 15:25.35 | AcTiVaTe | seeds: www.rockbox.org has an alternative firmware available. Very sweet |
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| 15:25.50 | seeds | thnx i will chx it |
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| 15:25.59 | fat_lobyte | enouf: well, i have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d directory |
| 15:26.01 | enouf | Afk: pastebin your /etc/profile .. you should already have 2 $PS1 lines, one for user, one for root |
| 15:26.16 | enouf | fat_lobyte: scroll to bottom of man apt.conf |
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| 15:27.46 | enouf | Afk: wait, what kind of variable?, use export |
| 15:28.20 | enouf | Afk: oh crap, just recalled you mentioned colored prompt or similar = nm then |
| 15:28.40 | fat_lobyte | enouf: well, it still sais /etc/apt/apt.conf, but there's no such file, but a whole directory. |
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| 15:28.47 | fat_lobyte | enouf: it contains these files: 00trustcdrom 01autoremove 10periodic 70debconf |
| 15:29.05 | Afk | enouf: http://afk.privatepaste.com/ceGVfAyXLM/download |
| 15:29.22 | enouf | fat_lobyte: you create on, just like man apt-prefrences would tell you to create a /etc/apt/preferences |
| 15:29.33 | enouf | fat_lobyte: create one* |
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| 15:29.58 | dutchfish | is there a package to create delta patches of binaries in a compressed form? |
| 15:29.58 | noppe | where does iceweasel keep its cookies? |
| 15:30.10 | enouf | Afk: yep - .. |
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| 15:30.23 | enouf | Afk: PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' is the standard line that all users see |
| 15:30.55 | Afk | oh okay thanks |
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| 15:32.20 | fat_lobyte | enouf: are you sure we are talking about the same distro? "$ man apt-preferences |
| 15:32.21 | fat_lobyte | No manual entry for apt-preferences |
| 15:32.21 | fat_lobyte | ", and there is no file called /etc/apt/preferences in there either |
| 15:32.22 | jelly-home | dutchfish: um... apt-cache search xdelta |
| 15:32.40 | elagar | hi... |
| 15:33.11 | dutchfish | jelly-home, thank you |
| 15:33.19 | sandman | How do I stop trying to reconnect in irssi? |
| 15:33.33 | jelly-home | fat_lobyte: man apt_preferences, then |
| 15:33.36 | elagar | im mounting a USB WD hard drive.. but when im trynig to access folders that has many files.. its crash .. dmesg shows "FAT: Directory bread(block 13580079) failed" |
| 15:33.45 | enouf | fat_lobyte: see what jelly-home said |
| 15:33.46 | SerajewelKS | sandman: /rmreconns |
| 15:33.52 | enouf | fat_lobyte: i typoed |
| 15:34.19 | fat_lobyte | enouf: oh, sorry. Well this manpage does exist. |
| 15:34.24 | enouf | fat_lobyte: besides, it was just an example ;-) |
| 15:34.54 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.58 | enouf | ... |
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| 15:35.27 | sandman | SerajewelKS: Thank you. |
| 15:35.35 | SerajewelKS | sandman: np |
| 15:36.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: ! |
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| 15:36.42 | SerajewelKS | elagar: sounds like a bad sector |
| 15:37.28 | elagar | but its works fine in other OS.. |
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| 15:38.12 | fat_lobyte | enouf: well, no idea how this this manpage is supposed to help me. Right now I cant understand why it refuses to import my packages |
| 15:38.39 | enouf | fat_lobyte: which man page? |
| 15:38.56 | fat_lobyte | The one you told me, /etc/apt_preferences |
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| 15:40.10 | enouf | fat_lobyte: it was an example - stop reading that |
| 15:40.46 | patrikf | hey, does anybody know where to set a system-wide default GTK input method, and why xim isn't the default? |
| 15:40.51 | fat_lobyte | ok. any ideas why apt-proxy refuses to import the packages? |
| 15:40.52 | enouf | fat_lobyte: just "touch /etc/apt/apt.conf" and add your HTTP_PROXY= info .. or in APT:: conf style |
| 15:41.21 | dot_1 | hello - i'm having a problem w/ the openssl updgrade & ssh - after updating, the host keys that are generated are black listed - anyone else seen this/know what the problem might be? |
| 15:41.35 | dot_1 | package info here http://pastebin.com/m24da961c |
| 15:41.44 | enouf | fat_lobyte: oh, using apt-proxy, no idea, never used that either - read the manpages? |
| 15:42.48 | fat_lobyte | enouf: sure... I'm trying to. Strange thing is there was a bug about 2 years ago which produced the same error messages. But it has allready been fixed a few releases ago, and Can be found in the changelog. |
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| 15:48.30 | dot_1 | following the instructions on the sslkeys wiki - i rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* |
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| 15:48.46 | dot_1 | at this point sshd wont start (missing host key) - good |
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| 15:48.56 | dot_1 | dpkg-reco openssh-server |
| 15:49.27 | dot_1 | new host keys are created - but ssh-vulkey -a shows them as compromised |
| 15:49.40 | AwesomeGuy | is tarball just a name for .tar.gz |
| 15:50.38 | liable | dot_1: there was *another* ssh package released, make sure you upgrade and try again. your the second person i have seen say this |
| 15:50.54 | dot_1 | AwesomeGuy - usually, yes - tarball usually means anything tarred (the .tar part) |
| 15:51.14 | dot_1 | liable: i have - totally up to date as of right before i came in here |
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| 15:51.19 | dot_1 | package info linked above |
| 15:51.39 | dot_1 | (tho glad to hear its not just me) |
| 15:51.53 | patrikf | dot_1: did you upgrade the openssl package to 0.9.8g-9 or -10 as well? |
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| 15:52.33 | dot_1 | patrikf: http://pastebin.com/m24da961c - (0.9.8c-4etch3) |
| 15:52.34 | Ryan52 | dot_1: install the new openssh-server and it will automatically regenerate them for you. |
| 15:52.52 | dot_1 | i am totally up to date - apt-get dist upgrade shows no updates |
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| 15:52.59 | liable | dot_1: if you have the most up to date ssh and openssl packages, i think you can breathe easy for now (till tomorrow when we announce the next vuln :) |
| 15:53.08 | Ryan52 | dot_1: your mirror could not have it |
| 15:53.08 | dot_1 | (it did regenerate the keys the first time) |
| 15:53.13 | Ryan52 | ah. |
| 15:53.36 | dot_1 | i can breath easy, sure - but i cant ssh to the box :-) |
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| 15:54.25 | Varanger | hello! How can I make a diskette image in Debian? |
| 15:54.44 | Ryan52 | Varanger: of? |
| 15:54.54 | ^]] | dd if=/dev/floppy of=disk.img |
| 15:55.10 | ^]] | or /dev/fd0 maybe |
| 15:55.20 | Varanger | Ryan52: I have 2 files that I want to put in a img file |
| 15:55.35 | Ryan52 | then ya what ^]] said |
| 15:56.10 | Varanger | the files aren't in the diskette |
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| 15:56.29 | StealthCP | I'm looking for help building reprepro on CentOS, if here's the right place ./configure ends on missing db.h, what devel package would I require? |
| 15:56.31 | Ryan52 | then where are they? |
| 15:56.34 | ^]] | so you want to make a generic filesystem image |
| 15:56.37 | Varanger | in my hd |
| 15:56.43 | Varanger | yes |
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| 15:57.51 | patrikf | dot_1: your package version list seems to be somewhat screwed, the version numbers listed as "openssh" seem to belong to openssl |
| 15:58.02 | patrikf | dot_1: and theres no package openssh-ssl :/ |
| 15:58.11 | dot_1 | yeah - sorry - that was a typo |
| 15:58.21 | Ryan52 | StealthCP: libgpgme11-dev, libdb4.3-dev, libz-dev, libbz2-dev, libarchive-dev are the build dependancies |
| 15:58.29 | dot_1 | that line (6) is supposed to read openssh-server |
| 15:58.53 | dot_1 | (i'm in a xen console, so i dont have copy & paste) |
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| 16:00.16 | patrikf | dot_1: can you try ssh-vulnkey on freshly generated keys on a 32-bit machine? |
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| 16:00.34 | Varanger | Ryan52: I have a xen guest, without network. I need to pass 2 files to that guest. I don't have a diskette drive |
| 16:01.23 | Ryan52 | ah. |
| 16:01.44 | Ryan52 | Can you shut it down? |
| 16:01.52 | dot_1 | patrikf: i dont have a debian 32 bit machine... |
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| 16:03.16 | liable | dot_1: file a bug against ssh and you'll get a definative answer for ssh-vulnkey on 64bit |
| 16:03.17 | dot_1 | anyone running sid on amd64? |
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| 16:03.27 | dabreegster | There are 29 .isos for the amd64 weekly build of testing. The first doesn't appear to contain ndiswrapper. If I want to install testing on a friend's box whose only connection is through a wireless usb adaptor, what route should I take? |
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| 16:03.52 | dot_1 | liable - thats def my next step - i just wanted to cover my bases before i filed a bug |
| 16:03.58 | liable | dabreegster: your screwed |
| 16:04.26 | liable | dabreegster: d-i doesnt have support for loading external files |
| 16:04.28 | heroxbd | dabreegster: is USB-HDD available? |
| 16:05.02 | dabreegster | heroxbd: she's actually going to be installing on an external usb hdrive. But right now it's blank |
| 16:05.36 | dabreegster | I was thinking I could install base system from CD1, bring in the .debs of ndiswrapper and its dependencies on my flash drive along with the drivers, and try to go from there |
| 16:05.37 | heroxbd | dabreegster: then you can install a whole system on the usb-hdd on your wired box. |
| 16:06.21 | Samonoske | when i try to purge a program i get exit status 225 as one of the errors as to why it wont finish..how do i fix that |
| 16:06.22 | Ryan52 | dabreegster: you just install the .debs after you boot. using 'dpkg -i' |
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| 16:07.02 | dabreegster | heroxbd: thats a great idea. it'd delay things, but i could install it here. too bad most wireless routers dont have at least one ethernet port |
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| 16:08.51 | heroxbd | dabreegster: actually, you can carry the USB-hdd to boot almost every box out there. I have one, used to kill virus on broken windows for my fellow classmates ;) |
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| 16:09.41 | liable | which wifi card is it anyway? |
| 16:09.57 | dabreegster | its a linksys wusb54gv1 |
| 16:10.07 | liable | which chip is that? |
| 16:10.13 | dabreegster | prism54 i believe |
| 16:10.23 | liable | prism54 is in kernel |
| 16:10.24 | heroxbd | liable: Yes that a problem. I am now struggle with my wg111v3 (with RTL8187B) |
| 16:10.25 | dabreegster | theres a module for it, but from googling, people seem to have to use ndiswrapper |
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| 16:10.43 | dabreegster | and knoppix didnt see it (i wasnt able to mess around with it; i was trying to guide her by phone) |
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| 16:11.51 | plaur | is the exec-shield kernel patch still maintained in debian? it doesn't apply with any kernel in lenny/sid |
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| 16:12.02 | heroxbd | dabreegster: Seems wierd. |
| 16:13.07 | FrankTheTank | why is it when i try to run anything on debian it tells me it doesnt exist? |
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| 16:13.11 | Usiu | Hi |
| 16:13.11 | apt | salut, usiu |
| 16:13.19 | Samonoske | where do all the files that end in like postinst go? |
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| 16:13.23 | Usiu | I get mount invail argument and kernel panic |
| 16:13.23 | FrankTheTank | ./steam and ./hldsupdatetool.bin both give me file or folder not found |
| 16:13.32 | Usiu | when using grub2, lvm and initramfs |
| 16:13.34 | Usiu | plz help |
| 16:13.40 | dabreegster | heroxbd: not necessarily. everybody on forums has only had success with ndiswrapper. I already have the .inf and the .sys files for it ready, the problem is getting d-i to contain ndiswrapper. I know d-i is moddable, I just dont have that much time to get it set up |
| 16:13.44 | liable | FrankTheTank: because they arent executable? |
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| 16:13.58 | FrankTheTank | according to a ton of tutorials they are |
| 16:14.03 | Usiu | AGNIESZKA.MARTOFEL@ORACLE.COM,joanna.mikula@oracle.com, |
| 16:14.03 | Usiu | PIOTR.SUCHY@ORACLE.COM,Tomasz.Szulc@oracle.com,TOMASZ.CYTLAK@ORACLE.COM, |
| 16:14.03 | Usiu | joanna.wilkowska@oracle.com,MIECZYSLAW.PAWLAK@ORACLE.COM, |
| 16:14.03 | Usiu | barbara.szczepanska@oracle.com, MALGORZATA.KURKOWSKA@ORACLE.COM,BARBARA.ORLINSKA@ORACLE.COM |
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| 16:14.09 | FrankTheTank | http://www.cstrike-planet.com/tutorial/1-Linux-Install-CS-Source/5 |
| 16:14.14 | FrankTheTank | http://wolphination.com/linux/2006/03/29/how-to-setup-a-cssource-dedicated-server/ |
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| 16:14.26 | Usiu | sorry |
| 16:14.28 | Usiu | miss clicked |
| 16:14.29 | hoxu | heh, debhelper saved someone's day :) |
| 16:14.36 | FrankTheTank | when i get to the ./hldsupdatetool.bin step it says "bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory" |
| 16:14.37 | liable | FrankTheTank: but are the files actually +x? |
| 16:14.41 | FrankTheTank | yes |
| 16:15.04 | FrankTheTank | here let me pastebin my terminal |
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| 16:16.41 | liable | FrankTheTank: have you actually read the readme files that come with the package? |
| 16:16.45 | FrankTheTank | http://pastebin.ca/1021104 |
| 16:16.52 | FrankTheTank | i dont believe there is a readme |
| 16:17.23 | liable | then you shouldnt use such shit software |
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| 16:17.50 | FrankTheTank | i dont have a choice |
| 16:18.11 | hoxu | FrankTheTank, consult the vendor for help |
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| 16:18.53 | Samonoske | abrotman are you here? |
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| 16:19.12 | liable | FrankTheTank: try sh ./shitpackage |
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| 16:19.37 | FrankTheTank | ./hldsupdatetool.bin: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: cannot execute binary file |
| 16:19.52 | simonrvn | liable: hehe |
| 16:20.12 | liable | :) |
| 16:20.20 | Usiu | hey |
| 16:20.31 | hoxu | FrankTheTank, check what file says, then try strace, and btw, consult the vendor for closed shit |
| 16:20.56 | abrotman | and? |
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| 16:21.17 | Samonoske | abrotman do you remember what i was talking about yesterday purging mydns-mysql |
| 16:21.19 | Samonoske | ? |
| 16:21.25 | abrotman | maybe |
| 16:21.52 | jelly-home | his memory might be refreshed after putting $20 in his paypal account |
| 16:22.00 | Samonoske | I was using the instructions i recieved but they're no longer on my chat logs.. Do you think you can tell me how to do it again? |
| 16:22.02 | FrankTheTank | I GOT IT! |
| 16:22.03 | FrankTheTank | apt-get install lib32gcc1 |
| 16:22.06 | FrankTheTank | i had to run that |
| 16:22.21 | Samonoske | I had to go to the mydns.postinst file or something and add exit 0 to the second line |
| 16:22.28 | Samonoske | but i can't remember how to get back to it |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:23.02 | Samonoske | Thank so much abrotman |
| 16:23.02 | apt | Samonoske: my pleasure |
| 16:23.29 | hoxu | automatas should not talk when not spoken to |
| 16:23.37 | FrankTheTank | lol when you extract the .bin it gives you the readme x.x |
| 16:24.08 | simonrvn | hoxu: yeh, it'll be taken care of asap |
| 16:24.12 | dot_1 | bug report filed - thanks all for the help |
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| 16:24.32 | d | hi |
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| 16:28.19 | ehird | I just plugged in my dirt-cheap tablet. It is a Trust tablet, or at least it claims to be. |
| 16:28.26 | ehird | What do I do to get it down with thine gimp? |
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| 16:32.12 | xingu | why didn't you lot tell me about neverball? |
| 16:32.15 | xingu | bah. |
| 16:32.17 | ehird | Hm |
| 16:32.17 | xingu | scoundrels |
| 16:32.19 | ehird | drivers/usb/input/aiptek.c: input: Aiptek using 400 ms programming speed |
| 16:32.19 | ehird | input: Aiptek as /class/input/input4 |
| 16:32.19 | ehird | usbcore: registered new driver aiptek |
| 16:32.19 | ehird | drivers/usb/input/aiptek.c: v1.5 (May-15-2004): Bryan W. Headley/Chris Atenasio |
| 16:32.19 | ehird | drivers/usb/input/aiptek.c: Aiptek HyperPen USB Tablet Driver (Linux 2.6.x) |
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| 16:32.31 | ehird | But it doesn't do anything. |
| 16:32.46 | abrotman | @paste |
| 16:32.47 | ravenbird | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! you can also /join #flood in your IRC client to paste. |
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| 16:33.47 | abrotman | xingu: i found it .. some are fun .. some kind of suck |
| 16:33.52 | tralala | I can't find instructions for regenerating host keys and the package doesn't ask me to do so although according to the DSA it should. I tried to reconfigure it with -plow but it still doesn't ask. Any way to make it regenerate the host keys? |
| 16:34.08 | abrotman | tralala: /topic |
| 16:37.09 | ehird | nobody? |
| 16:37.56 | tralala | abrotman, "OpenSSH host keys can be automatically regenerated when the OpenSSH security update is applied. The update will prompt for confirmation before taking this step.". It doesn't. Do you happen to know an apt/dpkg command for automatic regeneration of host keys? |
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| 16:38.33 | abrotman | rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* |
| 16:38.42 | mquin | tralala: rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key && apt-get --reinstall install openssh-serverr |
| 16:38.52 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 16:38.56 | mquin | minus the typo |
| 16:39.04 | tralala | abrotman, mquin, thank you |
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| 16:39.34 | jelly-home | tralala, it could be your host keys were generated before the faulty package was installed |
| 16:40.11 | kannan | hello, i am having the problem with wget to dload latest DVD stable for amd64. the download file size shows only .4 GB, when it should be 4.4GB. The CDs FAQ says upgrade to a wget version that does not hae this restriction. how to get this wget version? |
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| 16:40.55 | tralala | jelly-home, quite possible, but I'll regenerate them anyhow. ssh-vulnkey reports a lot of unknowns and the easy way out is regenerate everything |
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| 16:42.02 | jelly-home | good thing is this happened before I upgraded my sarge machines ;-) |
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| 16:43.29 | tralala | jelly-home, good for you. I have to upgrade all the certs of an openvpn server. |
| 16:43.30 | zd32nv | orly? |
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| 16:45.43 | patco444 | One very interesting game for the maniacs that are playing strategies or RPG, so if you want to take part in this game skype : patco444 ... http://www.fallensword.com/?ref=1461055 |
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| 16:46.00 | Wyzard | I'm glad I kept putting off setting up certificate-based OpenVPN for my home network :-) |
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| 16:47.18 | abrotman | skype is a game? |
| 16:47.27 | bAndie91 | no |
| 16:47.42 | bAndie91 | but v3.0 contains some games |
| 16:48.41 | abrotman | xingu: my bad ... i was thinking of neverputt |
| 16:49.15 | jewel | kannan, upgrade wget |
| 16:49.31 | abrotman | uh |
| 16:49.42 | kannan | jewel , how to do that? |
| 16:49.59 | jewel | kannan, you have to find out which version you need |
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| 16:50.05 | jelly-home | well, even aptitude has a game |
| 16:50.22 | jammyd | Hello; is it possible to install two packages which both provide a virtual package? |
| 16:50.25 | kannan | jewel , ok thanks i will try to find it out |
| 16:50.25 | abrotman | kannan: you don't have to upgrade wget |
| 16:50.33 | kannan | abrotman, no? |
| 16:50.45 | jammyd | I'd like to install courier-imap and dovecot-imapd, but when I install dovecot-imapd, apt tries to uninstall courier-imap |
| 16:50.53 | kannan | i tried firefox, lynx all having same issue |
| 16:50.55 | jelly-home | jammyd, if they don't conflict on that same virtual package, yes |
| 16:51.14 | jammyd | The both provide it, that's the problem |
| 16:51.20 | abrotman | kannan: anyways .. you should use the netinst |
| 16:51.31 | jammyd | there's no reason I shouldn't be able to have two installed though, there are many reasons why you might need it |
| 16:51.36 | jammyd | is it possible to override it? |
| 16:52.04 | kannan | abrotman, i would like to know how long it may take to do a full install with the netinst? |
| 16:52.15 | kannan | as my net connection is only broadband |
| 16:52.18 | Wyzard | jammyd: Two packages providing the same virtual package does not prevent them from both being installed |
| 16:52.19 | wols | kannan: what is a full install? |
| 16:52.30 | wols | netinst ISO alone is a "full debian" |
| 16:52.32 | Wyzard | jammyd: You probably have multiple packages providing x-www-browser, for example |
| 16:52.37 | abrotman | kannan: only broadband? |
| 16:52.41 | patrikf | :D |
| 16:52.53 | Wyzard | kannan: probably less time than downloading the DVD, since a netinst only downloads the packages that actually get installed |
| 16:53.13 | jammyd | # apt-get install dovecot-imapd 2>&1 | grep -A 1 REMOVED |
| 16:53.13 | jammyd | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:53.13 | jammyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.20 | kannan | Wyzard , thanx |
| 16:53.23 | jammyd | It really wants to remove it |
| 16:53.39 | kannan | abrotman : yes |
| 16:53.45 | kannan | only a broadband |
| 16:53.58 | kannan | its gines about 512 kbps dload spped |
| 16:54.02 | kannan | gives |
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| 16:54.32 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it safe to install and enable compiz effects on lenny? |
| 16:54.43 | abrotman | still a netinst would likely be better |
| 16:54.51 | Wyzard | jammyd: That's because courier-imap Conflicts with imap-server (provided by dovecot-imapd) |
| 16:55.02 | Wyzard | jammyd: not just because they both happen to provide it |
| 16:55.02 | kannan | abrotman : thanks will do it |
| 16:55.11 | mrfree | after an apt-get dist-upgrade I received Errors were encountered while processing: exim4-daemon-light at exim4 bsd-mailx mailx |
| 16:55.15 | jammyd | Ah, didn't spot that |
| 16:55.18 | mrfree | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:55.24 | jammyd | Why on earth would they set that? |
| 16:55.32 | jammyd | Is it possible to override? |
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| 16:55.36 | Wyzard | jammyd: Well, it doesn't really make sense to have two IMAP servers on the same machine |
| 16:56.18 | jammyd | sighs |
| 16:56.32 | mrfree | Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 16:56.38 | jammyd | I'd like to migrate to dovecot, but get it configured and running first |
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| 16:56.49 | jammyd | If I have to disable my old config before seting up the new one, that's a real PITA. |
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| 16:57.22 | kannan | i am dloading debian-40r3-amd64-netinst.iso, it is only 145 M size ? :) |
| 16:57.26 | Wyzard | jammyd: Install and configure it on a test machine, so that when you install it on the real one you don't have to spend any time setting it up |
| 16:57.42 | Samonoske | anyone in here ever used ISPconfig? |
| 16:57.49 | kannan | will it work dor dual core intel cpu desktop machines? |
| 16:57.51 | enouf | kannan: yep - netinstall are small |
| 16:58.02 | kannan | enouf - kewl |
| 16:58.05 | jammyd | Wyzard: Having to use another machine is overkill. Install on the same machine then just changing the port is by far the simplest solution |
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| 16:58.12 | kannan | as you may guess , i am doing this first time |
| 16:58.22 | enouf | kannan: yes, that's amd64 arch (64bit kernel + 64bit userland for x86_64) |
| 16:58.25 | wij32 | how do i get my sound working with debian? |
| 16:58.52 | enouf | kannan: /msg dpkg grounding <--good start .. then /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:59.02 | kannan | eouf : yes i read that. And thats why i got this doubt for dual core cpu too, heh |
| 16:59.57 | enouf | ok - well i386 arch is 32bit - both i386 and amd64 will owrk on DualCore (since 2.6.17 ish all kernels are SMP-aware) |
| 17:00.01 | enouf | kannan: ^^^ |
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| 17:00.46 | cahoot | wij32: install alsa-utils |
| 17:01.23 | wols | !tell wij32 about alsa install |
| 17:01.35 | wols | !tell wij32 about alsa checklist |
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| 17:02.37 | enouf | kannan: amd came out with the x86 64bit extensions first (amd64), Intel then had to pay licensing fees or whatever to use them (and called theirs "em64t") .. both are x86_64 , see wikipedia.org for more gory details ;-) |
| 17:03.09 | kannan | enouf : kewl , i am actually on the job. the grounding is also very good |
| 17:03.15 | enouf | kannan: ia64 however is only for intel iTanium CPUs .. so stay away from that ;-) |
| 17:03.21 | enouf | indeed |
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| 17:03.36 | kannan | anouf, yes that was a big doubt i had first |
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| 17:05.28 | enouf | kannan: /msg dpkg ia64 /msg dpkg amd64 .. and be sure to run the md5 or sha256 checksum on your ISO prior to burning |
| 17:05.39 | kannan | heloo,looks like a LARGE amount of reading heh |
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| 17:06.05 | kannan | enouf : ok thanks i will getthe checksum also |
| 17:06.12 | enouf | dpkg: say: "you ain't seen nothin yet" |
| 17:06.13 | dpkg | no idea, enouf |
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| 17:06.22 | njero | Hi all, I was running the aptitude update on my debian etch server and got this: http://pastie.caboo.se/198762 |
| 17:06.38 | xingu | abrotman: neverball rocks :) |
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| 17:06.51 | abrotman | neverputt!!! |
| 17:07.03 | urz | i installed am-utils, but only after hacking its start process to not use "amq -p" to determin if amd was running. That command would just hang if amd was not running. |
| 17:07.08 | urz | this is debian etch |
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| 17:07.25 | urz | i'm not trying to install nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:07.41 | urz | and apt-get hangs during config |
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| 17:07.55 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:07.55 | apt | moin moin, dexterf |
| 17:07.58 | DexterF | I'd like to build deb packages and got nothing but the src code, no debian/ dir, nothing alike in the deb-src - where do I start? |
| 17:08.02 | minerale | How can I tell if my key needs to be regenerated? |
| 17:08.03 | patrikf | njero: sound a bit like your system is out of memory (RAM) |
| 17:08.16 | abrotman | !tell DexterF about nmg |
| 17:08.30 | abrotman | !tell DexterF about package basics |
| 17:08.36 | njero | patrikf: hmm, I thought so too but there seems to be plenty.. maybe I need a reboot? |
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| 17:09.03 | patrikf | njero: did you check "free -tm"? (the last value is of interest) |
| 17:09.05 | abrotman | !tell njero about mmap |
| 17:09.06 | minerale | I created my key on: May 29 2007 -- do i need to regenerate it? |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | minerale: yes |
| 17:10.22 | njero | patrikf: 322 free, abrotman's comment seems a treat |
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| 17:10.35 | patrikf | yeah, didn't know about that issue |
| 17:10.47 | kannan | !tell kannan about package basics |
| 17:10.53 | abrotman | !tell kannan about selftell |
| 17:11.07 | abrotman | the mmap stuff is old .. but still happens occasionally |
| 17:11.53 | abrotman | kannan: and don't msg me |
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| 17:12.15 | cTATU5 | hi |
| 17:12.15 | apt | what's up |
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| 17:12.41 | cTATU5 | what do the aptitude flags 'i', 'p', 'v', and 'A' stand for? |
| 17:12.58 | abrotman | cTATU5: read the aptitude docs |
| 17:13.05 | cTATU5 | i'm pretty sure the i is installed, v is virtual but i'm not sure on the p and A ... also, might there be a list of the full meaning |
| 17:13.14 | abrotman | purged ? Auto ? |
| 17:13.35 | cTATU5 | Auto in what sense? |
| 17:14.14 | DexterF | abrotman: well.... I was rather lookign for something quick-and-dirty like checkinstall. I'd in fact use it if it was in etch which it isn't for reasons beyond me. It's just for personal use, not for the repositories |
| 17:14.46 | abrotman | cTATU5: read the aptitude docs |
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| 17:14.57 | abrotman | DexterF: stow? |
| 17:15.17 | versuchsanstalt | cTATU5: if you stfw, you may find http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/6/32673.html |
| 17:15.22 | cTATU5 | something's wrong with the way the manpage is displayed |
| 17:15.36 | enouf | cTATU5: there's also an aptitude-doc-<CC> pkg you can install - where <CC> is country code |
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| 17:15.48 | cTATU5 | i keep seeing "\fB" and "\fR" everywhere |
| 17:15.54 | enouf | so like -en |
| 17:15.54 | DexterF | abrotman: that's this symlinking thingy, right? symlinks for package maintenance is spooky to me |
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| 17:15.59 | abrotman | !stow |
| 17:15.59 | dpkg | hmm... stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
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| 17:16.05 | cTATU5 | \fBinstall\fR |
| 17:16.08 | wij32_ | sorry got d/c/, did anyone reply to that? ^ |
| 17:16.09 | DexterF | abrotman: I'll backport chekinstall from testing |
| 17:16.15 | cTATU5 | â\fB=<version>\fRâ |
| 17:16.36 | abrotman | DexterF: stow is pretty similar |
| 17:16.37 | enouf | cTATU5: it's only in aptitude man page? |
| 17:16.38 | cTATU5 | thanks abrotman |
| 17:16.38 | apt | cTATU5: gern geschehen |
| 17:16.53 | cTATU5 | yup only aptitude |
| 17:16.54 | abrotman | enouf: known issue |
| 17:16.58 | DexterF | abrotman: I'll check it out when backporting fails |
| 17:16.58 | enouf | right |
| 17:17.01 | rubikcube | hi, what would the most memory intensive situations for my small DSL router which runs a complete debian system? |
| 17:17.08 | enouf | forget the fix |
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| 17:17.20 | valdyn | rubikcube: how would we know? |
| 17:17.29 | tralala | cTATU5, anyway the man page is a quick reference only. The complete docs are in the -doc package. Install it and read. |
| 17:17.45 | cTATU5 | ty all |
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| 17:17.52 | rubikcube | valdyn: by experince, maybe? :-) I could only think about a bigger update && upgrade.. |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | why does it matter? |
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| 17:18.15 | valdyn | rubikcube: and we dont even know what that routers complete functionality is supposed to be |
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| 17:18.44 | valdyn | rubikcube: but im sure you cant remotely match what apt-get needs by just routing a dsl link |
| 17:19.01 | rubikcube | that's for sure, yes :-) |
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| 17:20.50 | rubikcube | ok, so no swap file, 4GB is small enough |
| 17:20.53 | elagar | hi... what do i need install to fix libQtOpenGL.so.4: cannot open shared obje |
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| 17:21.54 | enouf | whatcha building? |
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| 17:23.14 | abrotman | elagar: known bug in testing currently |
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| 17:35.27 | xingu | valdyn: depepends how many discrete flows a second you generate, mostly. |
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| 17:42.43 | pakaran | Sorry if this is the wrong place. Does anyone know if there's any way firefox https connections from a non-debian system would have been affected by the debian ssl bug? |
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| 17:43.02 | minerale | how do I fix the key thing? do I regenerate my own key? ~/.ssh/id_rsa ... or is it the machine key? |
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| 17:43.34 | sauvin | pakaran, if I understand what you're talking about properly, an 'ssl bug' wouldn't likely be Debian-specific. |
| 17:43.59 | pakaran | i'm talking about the issue in the debian version of openssl reported this week |
| 17:44.08 | enouf | see /topic |
| 17:44.10 | sauvin | Can you furnish a link? |
| 17:44.20 | enouf | sauvin: you too ;-) |
| 17:44.21 | abrotman | !tell sauvin about dsa |
| 17:44.21 | pakaran | and the fact that I may have used firefox to connect to web servers that might have been using debian, and that in some cases I use the same password on multiple websites. |
| 17:44.37 | blameless | it depends if the ssl cert used by the server was generated but a vulnerable version of openssl |
| 17:44.51 | pakaran | which really I'd have to ask the individual webmaster about |
| 17:44.51 | abrotman | pakaran: you'd be worried about the host key, not FF |
| 17:45.21 | pakaran | I may just end up changing all my passwords |
| 17:45.22 | sauvin | $tell enouf about "yea, and so's your pet dog Fido!" |
| 17:45.24 | pakaran | I'm overdue to do that anyhow |
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| 17:45.36 | hetOrakel | my upgrade gives an error on "Setting up nfs-common (1:1.1.2-3) .." It attempts to copy/move a file to a new location. The new location (including path and filename) are all in uppercase characters. Off course that location does not exist. What could be wrong? |
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| 17:47.30 | sauvin | debian-security-announce doesn't seem to list anything but a random number generator problem..? |
| 17:47.32 | enouf | abrotman: we have a pkg called dirmngr which manages CRLs and such, does FF come with it's own certs? or are there system certs installed which all/most browsers use -- and If so, would they be available to dirmngr? (the FF/Iceweasel ones) |
| 17:48.03 | enouf | sauvin: yes, but the keys made have implications in many areas |
| 17:48.14 | abrotman | it has an ssl problem |
| 17:48.16 | sauvin | continues to read |
| 17:48.16 | pakaran | sauvin, the problem is that the random number generator problem leads to the rng only being seeded by the process ID |
| 17:48.20 | abrotman | someone has a reading problem |
| 17:48.31 | abrotman | pakaran: you're concerned about the site keys .. not the FF application |
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| 17:48.55 | pakaran | so any key generated with that RNG actually has only 15 bits of entropy (since pid maxes at 32k) |
| 17:48.57 | sauvin | Somebody's also listening to some Carpenters at the same time and probably should know better when his caffeine levels are subpar |
| 17:49.10 | abrotman | enouf: there is the /etc/ssl/certs/ ... |
| 17:49.24 | enouf | looks |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | enouf: though those are from CA things .. not from self signed goons like me :) |
| 17:50.02 | enouf | omg, there they all are :-P |
| 17:50.32 | sauvin | As I read this, what the other folks are saying is correct: your FF is safe. Keys stored on remote servers *should* be safe enough, they might just be a tad bit more vulnerable to a determined attack. |
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| 17:50.36 | enouf | abrotman: righto - and it's the CAs that issue certs to Web sites which use them for https, et al? |
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| 17:51.02 | abrotman | enouf: some of them .. you can make your own |
| 17:51.04 | SerajewelKS | ssh-vulnkey reports my ssh key as not blacklisted, does that mean i am ok or does it just mean that nobody has generated this same key yet? |
| 17:51.06 | abrotman | you can even make your own CA |
| 17:51.27 | sauvin | SerajewelKS, it means nobody's put your key on a blacklist. |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if you're at all questioning it .. just remake it |
| 17:51.47 | SerajewelKS | sauvin: obviously, i'm asking about the implications of that |
| 17:51.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i might, yeah |
| 17:51.51 | enouf | abrotman: which, if i followed what the <people who know what they're talking about> the other day, that cert is a combination of one's private key + public key + CA == cert (someshit) |
| 17:51.55 | minerale | I'm not too good on this key thing, but can someone answer this for me: is this for personal keys or the machine-wide keys? |
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| 17:52.01 | enouf | bah - nm |
| 17:52.02 | sauvin | SerajewelKS, if a problem exists, it's not been discovered yet. |
| 17:52.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: when was your key made? |
| 17:52.29 | tomfmason | Wyzard: I fixed my fubared MBR.. here is what I ended up doing http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,197607.msg891814.html#msg891814 |
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| 17:52.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm not exactly sure, but i think it was at least a year oge |
| 17:52.35 | SerajewelKS | ago* |
| 17:52.41 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ls -l |
| 17:52.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'll check the mtime on my other box when i get home |
| 17:52.45 | abrotman | look at the date |
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| 17:53.10 | sauvin | notes this last upgrade round is concerned almost exclusively with ssh and ssl |
| 17:53.17 | abrotman | jesus |
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| 17:54.00 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's ultimately your security .. |
| 17:54.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: my understanding is that a certificate is a public key signed by a private key from a CA |
| 17:54.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i know, i just don't have access to the real mtime right now |
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| 17:54.56 | GodKilla- | hey all |
| 17:54.59 | Nyle | wow |
| 17:55.08 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's on my box at home, the mtime over here will be when i copied it here |
| 17:55.12 | GodKilla- | does the debian netinst come wie a smp kernel? |
| 17:55.19 | GodKilla- | wie = with* |
| 17:55.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:55.25 | SerajewelKS | GodKilla-: all debian stock kernels support smp |
| 17:55.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ah ok |
| 17:55.29 | SerajewelKS | since some time ago |
| 17:55.32 | GodKilla- | k, thanks |
| 17:55.33 | abrotman | except 486 IIRC |
| 17:55.36 | Nyle | I haven't used my sidless headbox in a while and now I got a surprise |
| 17:55.37 | abrotman | -486 |
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| 17:55.41 | Nyle | er.. sid box, headless |
| 17:55.57 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: hahah, i thought you did that on purpose at first |
| 17:56.07 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:56.15 | Nyle | cranian flatulance |
| 17:56.19 | Nyle | cranial* |
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| 17:56.36 | sauvin | Geek spoonerism! |
| 17:56.39 | Nyle | everything on my lcd + broken screen laptop worked great |
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| 17:57.02 | Nyle | first time, I didn't have to manually specify shit in xorg, this works beautifully |
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| 17:57.51 | Nyle | btw I fixed my resolution problem on desktop with thismonitor with a hdmi cable, but on laptop even with vga dsub i got full res no flicker proper res |
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| 17:57.55 | sauvin | giggles at the update "Some services need to be restarted in order for updates to take effect [OK button]"... this is a huge HUGE improvement over how m$ handles updates! |
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| 17:57.57 | Nyle | nice nice |
| 17:58.28 | thechef | lol :D |
| 17:58.49 | fr00g_ | hi. i am using understand for c v.2 from scitool(build 439). it runs under linux. i have no invocations option in the menu. anyone knows how to fix the problem? is it hidden in v2? or could it be, thatt it is a graphic problem? many labels are 'cutted ' by me |
| 17:59.20 | abrotman | !de |
| 17:59.20 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 18:00.17 | sauvin | blinkt 'seit wann spricht man herein deutsch!?' |
| 18:00.28 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well, if that's all that makes up those Certs, let's hope they didn't use a Debian box between 9/06-5/08 to make their keys? |
| 18:00.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:00.45 | Nyle | umm.. how do i find out if the debian kernel (2.6.25-x) has been patched to work with fglrx(catalyst 8.4)? |
| 18:00.53 | abrotman | try it? |
| 18:01.00 | Nyle | uff yeh |
| 18:01.02 | wols | enouf: there has been a noted spike in ssh probes lately. guess why |
| 18:01.02 | Nyle | :/ |
| 18:01.20 | sauvin | Seriously? |
| 18:01.35 | abrotman | been sleeping? |
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| 18:01.37 | wols | speaking of: does a factoid exist about the bug? |
| 18:01.37 | enouf | sauvin: yes, i read that "Some services ..." very diligently, made sure everything was in order, came back, it was, pressed Ok ;-) |
| 18:01.38 | sauvin | That vulnerability won't express on machines that don't run sshd, right? |
| 18:01.47 | abrotman | wols: /topic |
| 18:01.50 | enouf | wols: wow |
| 18:01.54 | wols | doh me |
| 18:01.59 | abrotman | sauvin: did you actually read the DSAs ? |
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| 18:02.10 | wols | abrotman: reading is hard |
| 18:02.13 | sauvin | I tried. Frankly, a lot of it goes over my head. |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 18:02.25 | abrotman | sauvin: then hire an admin .. go sit at your desk and play minesweeper |
| 18:02.29 | enouf | barbie! |
| 18:02.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: something like that yeah |
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| 18:02.48 | sauvin | I'm on a personal laptop at home. No admins involved. PppPpbbBbbt. |
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| 18:03.27 | sauvin | makes sure sshd is dead and makes sure his firewall is blocking ssh probes, just for giggles |
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| 18:05.30 | enouf | sauvin: wols and anyone else curious; i have more; http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2008-05-14-17-21_some_maths.html |
| 18:06.38 | sauvin | enouf, thanks! |
| 18:07.23 | wols | enouf: just checked if my keys are vulnerable. seems I made my keys before 2006. yay for the long time debian installs last :) |
| 18:07.56 | enouf | sauvin: !CAREFUL! - but what did basically was; in a nutshell; rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_{dsa,rsa}*; rm ~/.ssh/{known_hosts,authorized_keys}* prior if they exist ; apt-get update; apt-get -u install openssl libssl0.9.8; dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server; .. now also might want to use ssh-keygen -t {dsa,rsa} to make new keys |
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| 18:08.28 | enouf | wols: heh, found my keys to be older than 09/06 as well, still i rm'd them |
| 18:08.47 | enouf | though i wasn't really using them O_o |
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| 18:10.11 | sauvin | I don't think I personally have any keys on the present machine to worry about. These keys wouldn't affect the gpg keys the debian repos require, would they? |
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| 18:10.53 | BrahmsC | is there alot of difference between 4.0r1 and 4.0r3 ? |
| 18:11.03 | abrotman | BrahmsC: lots of security patches and some RC bugs |
| 18:11.15 | BrahmsC | ok thanks |
| 18:11.43 | enouf | sauvin: no, gpg uses tcl/tk or whatever |
| 18:12.10 | FrankTheTank | i type unzip -v file.zip and it shows it like it unzipz |
| 18:12.10 | enouf | sauvin: however Apache .pem files are affected (or could be) |
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| 18:12.16 | FrankTheTank | but the files from it arnt there |
| 18:12.26 | enouf | i believe the SSLKeys talks all about that |
| 18:12.32 | enouf | the URL in /topic |
| 18:12.46 | acxtu | Hi, guys I put a new AGP ATi Radeon VIdeo card, how can I see if it was recognize. I have 2 cards. The motherboards intergrate and this one |
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| 18:13.07 | sauvin | doesn't use apache, either |
| 18:13.14 | paroneayea | hm hm |
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| 18:13.42 | enouf | acxtu: first check BIOS ;-) or adjust settings correctly |
| 18:13.42 | paroneayea | I have a debian machine around with a widescreen monitor.. I'd like to work in the console |
| 18:13.58 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:13.59 | paroneayea | but it doesn't look like there's a way to configure the framebuffer to use a widesceen resolution |
| 18:14.00 | sauvin | paroneayea, what's stopping you? |
| 18:14.01 | enouf | acxtu: like tell it to use your AGP slot as Primary Video Adapter or whatever |
| 18:14.19 | enouf | acxtu: lspci should show your card though |
| 18:14.23 | paroneayea | sauvin: all the fonts are squishy from a non-widescreen resolution on a widescreen monitor :) |
| 18:14.52 | enouf | paroneayea: not sure if the newer uvesafb handles that - or try your specific video card's one |
| 18:15.16 | enouf | paroneayea: can you get correct res using correct vga= param? |
| 18:15.22 | paroneayea | enouf: thx, I'll look into uvesafb.. |
| 18:15.37 | paroneayea | enouf: doesn't look like there's a widescreen res available with vga=? |
| 18:15.41 | paroneayea | I don't see one at least |
| 18:15.51 | enouf | paroneayea: or even vga=xxx and vesafb= .. option1,option2 |
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| 18:16.18 | paroneayea | hm, vesafb |
| 18:16.21 | enouf | paroneayea: http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology <--scroll to bottom |
| 18:16.22 | paroneayea | I hadn't heard of that |
| 18:16.23 | acxtu | enouf, I want to use both card to expand the desktop |
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| 18:16.34 | paroneayea | enouf: thx, I'll look into it |
| 18:16.43 | enouf | acxtu: i kind of figured you want to use both - that's fine |
| 18:16.49 | Wyzard | paroneayea: vesafb uses VESA mode numbers, so can only use the list of VESA modes built into your video card |
| 18:16.59 | Wyzard | paroneayea: Some video cards have VESA modes for widescreen resolutions; some don't |
| 18:17.22 | enouf | paroneayea: the old standby though is http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html chapter 5 |
| 18:17.37 | Wyzard | paroneayea: The Intel GMA900 in my Thinkpad has a mode for the LCD's native 1280x800, for example, but my nVidia 7600 card in my desktop doesn't have any widescreen modes |
| 18:18.09 | paroneayea | cool |
| 18:18.13 | enouf | paroneayea: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/fb/ note ,that's .18 - you can adjust accordingly |
| 18:19.47 | enouf | Wyzard: wasn't there some new VESA 3.0 spec everyone supposedly now supposed to follow? |
| 18:20.23 | enouf | wow, hehe http://xerxys.netvader.net/index.php?title=VESA |
| 18:20.38 | acxtu | enouf, the lspci would show me only the pci cards? or it will show the agp ones? |
| 18:20.44 | Wyzard | enouf: no idea... but from what I've read, VESA 1.0 is the only one that specified particular modes with particular numbers; in 2.0, the manufacturer can provide any modes they want, with any number they want |
| 18:21.05 | Wyzard | enouf: Software is supposed to read the list of modes to look for one with the desired properties |
| 18:21.37 | Wyzard | enouf: I assume that's why vesafb-tng takes a resolution and color depth rather than a mode number (and I'd love to know why vesafb-tng isn't in the standard kernel yet) |
| 18:21.39 | paroneayea | thx guys |
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| 18:22.30 | maligor | Wyzard, vesafb-tng project page says: this project is deprecated, please look at uvesafb :P |
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| 18:22.42 | enouf | acxtu: both |
| 18:22.51 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 18:22.51 | enouf | acxtu: agp is PCI based |
| 18:22.56 | Wyzard | then *that* should be in the standard kernel :-) |
| 18:23.02 | maligor | yes, it is |
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| 18:23.19 | enouf | acxtu: and even though PCIe is entirely diff, lspci also shows them ;-) |
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| 18:23.35 | maligor | probably vesafb-tng was restricted x86 so it was never in kernel |
| 18:23.36 | Wyzard | PCIe is only different at the physical/electrical level |
| 18:23.45 | Wyzard | It's the same from a software standpoint, from what I've read |
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| 18:24.05 | enouf | Wyzard: wow, hehe, what a mess O-o |
| 18:24.13 | maligor | enouf, mess why? |
| 18:24.16 | vorwarts | can't seem to find netcardconfig on lenny repos. has it been renamed or replaced? |
| 18:24.22 | maligor | I think it's a very practical way of doing it |
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| 18:24.49 | enouf | maligor: configuring video is a mess |
| 18:25.04 | acxtu | enouf, well seems it doesn't recognize it |
| 18:25.15 | maligor | enouf, well, I'd rather say AGP was a mess |
| 18:25.28 | maligor | PCIe is a practically problem free |
| 18:25.45 | maligor | in comparison |
| 18:26.01 | enouf | especially since most efforts seem to be on X related blingbling with 3D prorpietary crap, and console is left out - and even the 3D crap breaks whatever fb your console likes |
| 18:26.07 | DirkGently | hi... I'm trying to install Debian using the Etch netinst CD but it's not seeing the SATA drive... is there a kernel option I can use? |
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| 18:26.32 | enouf | maligor: i wasn't saying 'mess' pertaining to PCI/PCIe/AGP at all |
| 18:26.41 | maligor | enouf, ah, yes, that might be related to the mess that is Xorg too |
| 18:26.41 | Wyzard | DirkGently: What type of SATA controller? |
| 18:26.56 | Wyzard | DirkGently: If it's a new one, etch's 2.6.18 kernel might not have a driver for it |
| 18:27.16 | enouf | although these steeken Memory Controller Hubs seem to sometimes cause issues, needing things like pci=nommconf |
| 18:27.19 | DirkGently | Wyzard: it's an HP 2133 mininote |
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| 18:27.37 | SethX | can anybody suggest me a good howto to set up qmail, on debian? |
| 18:27.38 | maligor | nommconf? |
| 18:27.40 | Wyzard | DirkGently: I have no idea what type of SATA controller HP put in that computer |
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| 18:27.53 | Wyzard | DirkGently: You can check with lspci, or by looking up its specs online |
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| 18:27.57 | DirkGently | is looking up |
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| 18:28.01 | maligor | I did have issues with mtrr's of recent tho, the bios sets them way off target |
| 18:28.05 | cesar` | hi people |
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| 18:28.24 | SethX | can anybody suggest me a good howto to set up qmail, on debian? << jelly-home |
| 18:28.28 | cesar` | i have problem with access trougth ssh |
| 18:28.48 | cesar` | i try do it ... ssh user@host |
| 18:28.56 | cesar` | and the message is this |
| 18:28.59 | cesar` | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 18:29.23 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 18:29.23 | apt | what's up, gorbulas |
| 18:29.26 | enouf | maligor: yeah, PCIe Memory Hub Controller config |
| 18:29.27 | cesar` | somebody can tell me what can happening |
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| 18:30.01 | cesar` | i was finding in google |
| 18:30.14 | cesar` | and debian-mailing-list |
| 18:30.35 | cesar` | but i didn't find answer |
| 18:30.39 | Wyzard | cesar`: Are you using public-key authentication with SSH and did this problem start happening just in the past few days |
| 18:31.01 | cesar` | this occur after i do "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:31.13 | Wyzard | !tell cesar` about dsa1571 |
| 18:31.24 | cesar` | i know this problem |
| 18:31.54 | cesar` | i did thist |
| 18:31.55 | cesar` | this |
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| 18:31.59 | cesar` | apt-get update; apt-get install -t unstable libssl0.9.8 |
| 18:32.11 | cesar` | cd /etc/ssh |
| 18:32.13 | Wyzard | cesar`: Why did you do that? |
| 18:32.21 | cesar` | mkdir oldkeys-`date +"%Y%m%d"` |
| 18:32.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:32.31 | cesar` | yes|ssh-keygen -t dsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 18:32.36 | cesar` | yes|ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -N '' |
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| 18:32.37 | abrotman | some people do some really amazing htings |
| 18:32.56 | Wyzard | cesar`: Are you running etch, or lenny? |
| 18:33.15 | abrotman | puts money on oldstable :) |
| 18:33.32 | cesar` | etch |
| 18:33.35 | Wyzard | oldstable didn't have the problem in the first place |
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| 18:33.45 | abrotman | it was a joke!!!!!! |
| 18:34.49 | Wyzard | cesar`: Why didn't you just install the new openssl and openssh packages that were released as security updates for etch? |
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| 18:34.50 | meff | lols |
| 18:35.23 | cesar` | because i try solved the problem with openssh |
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| 18:35.53 | Wyzard | cesar`: You've gotten your etch system into an inconsistent state with unstable packages, and that's likely the cause of your problem |
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| 18:36.10 | abrotman | among other things |
| 18:36.21 | ju2n | saude to entire channel |
| 18:36.30 | Wyzard | cesar`: The Debian security team has already released updated packages for etch which fix the problem |
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| 18:36.57 | ju2n | somebody speak spanish please |
| 18:37.04 | cesar` | yo |
| 18:37.10 | cesar` | pero este canal esta en ingles |
| 18:37.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:37.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:37.21 | cesar` | y si hablas español te pueden echar |
| 18:37.24 | cesar` | :-) |
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| 18:37.52 | Wyzard | cesar`: In fact, the whole point of etch's security updates is to fix security problems without breaking things :-) |
| 18:38.07 | cesar` | yes.. |
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| 18:38.34 | cesar` | sorry, i kill my own debian |
| 18:38.36 | cesar` | :-D |
| 18:38.37 | SerajewelKS | hablo pequeno español |
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| 18:38.50 | cesar` | pequño ... not |
| 18:38.54 | Wyzard | cesar`: You should downgrade your libssl back to the etch version and install all the available etch security updates |
| 18:38.57 | cesar` | poco |
| 18:39.08 | SerajewelKS | cesar`: este tambien :) |
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| 18:39.17 | SerajewelKS | hides |
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| 18:41.02 | cesar` | Wyzard: thank you for your answer |
| 18:41.56 | enouf | wow, vbetool vgamode bugged out my display :-P |
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| 18:42.10 | mh_ | hi there |
| 18:42.10 | apt | moin moin |
| 18:42.40 | abrotman | apt: who owns you |
| 18:42.41 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | grrr |
| 18:42.55 | mh_ | when i install a package, sometimes i get asked for some settings. where does dpkg store this settings? |
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| 18:43.11 | abrotman | mh_: the file? or the facility to change them again ? |
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| 18:43.37 | abrotman | /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is the actual file |
| 18:44.25 | mh_ | abrotman the file i searched for ,... thanks alot |
| 18:44.26 | jelly-home | but the next release of debconf will be a binary only registry!!!1 |
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| 18:45.15 | enouf | is there an island in NY Harbor named after him? :-P |
| 18:45.18 | enouf | hides |
| 18:45.26 | abrotman | him? |
| 18:45.35 | enouf | Tim is a She? |
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| 18:46.32 | enouf | jelly-home: please no .. please ... |
| 18:46.51 | SerajewelKS | XML FTW! |
| 18:47.01 | enouf | !spank XML |
| 18:47.01 | dpkg | bends XML over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 18:48.45 | Orion_X11 | I am running jigdo to get a debian iso and I'd like to know how long it will take to get the whole thing. I read the jigdo docs in www.debian.org but did not find how to know this info. Any hints? |
| 18:49.06 | abrotman | depends on your network |
| 18:49.53 | Orion_X11 | I am running jigdo to get a debian iso and I'd like to know how long it will take to get the whole thing. I read the jigdo docs in www.debian.org but did not find how to know this info. Any hints? |
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| 18:50.36 | abrotman | depends on your network |
| 18:50.36 | enouf | abrotman: maybe he has you on /ig :-P |
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| 18:51.19 | Orion_X11 | I mean time left |
| 18:51.37 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: jigdo doesn't provide that info |
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| 18:52.05 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: but every ten packages it prints a message saying how many packages it's downloaded so far and how many there are in all, and you can estimate based on that |
| 18:52.08 | enouf | kill -USR1 wget? lmao .. no, wait, jigdo is like what, torrents? p2p ? |
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| 18:52.19 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: approx. 30 secs to 10 hours |
| 18:52.38 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: I'd recommend using torrents rather than jigdo though -- it's potentially faster, and you get to contribute back by seeding |
| 18:54.02 | Orion_X11 | Wyzard: The thing is that I already have an old debian-dvd-iso. That's the reason why I chose jigdo |
| 18:54.21 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: ah, that makes sense |
| 18:54.34 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: I update my isos that way too |
| 18:54.40 | enouf | jigdo is going the way of artsd? O_o |
| 18:54.45 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: then I load them into Azurus and seed them anyway :-) |
| 18:54.49 | Wyzard | *Azureus |
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| 18:55.17 | enouf | yuk, java |
| 18:55.25 | tomfmason | Wyzard: I ended up fixing my MBR from last night. I can now boot debian and the restore partition that came with my laptop. I think I fubared the windows install though. |
| 18:55.46 | Wyzard | enouf: Java isn't bad |
| 18:55.47 | extor | On which web server is it easiest to configure perl+fastcgi? Apache, lighttpd or something else? |
| 18:56.02 | abrotman | the one you know |
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| 18:57.24 | Orion_X11 | Another thing: Do I have to run dual-boot to run win appls with wine? |
| 18:57.46 | abrotman | no |
| 18:57.57 | breedx | Why won't exim talk to spam assassin? I've installed exim from package, spam assassin from sources. Seems to be running and listening and I've reconfigured exim and restarted it...just no sign that Exim is even talking to it. |
| 18:57.58 | Orion_X11 | I do not have win in my machine for some years now |
| 18:58.11 | FrankTheTank | in debian how do i foward ports? |
| 18:58.42 | Wyzard | goes to build a new computer |
| 18:59.07 | DirkGently | Wyzard: lspci gives IDE Interface: VIA Technologies Unknown device 5372 |
| 18:59.48 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 18:59.48 | dpkg | [etchnhalf] "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 19:00.06 | Wyzard | DirkGently: Run update-pciids, then run lspci again |
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| 19:00.19 | Wyzard | DirkGently: and you should get an actual name rather than "unknown device 5372" |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | isn't he in the insdtaller? |
| 19:00.29 | Wyzard | though if you're in the installer, I don't know if update-pciids is available |
| 19:01.00 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: So, say, if I want to run MSword I install wine and it will ask me to put a M$ Office cd in the drive and install it? Does it work like that? |
| 19:01.30 | abrotman | if you're lucky ... or you could just try OO |
| 19:01.38 | DirkGently | abrotman: me? |
| 19:01.49 | Wyzard | DirkGently: Run "lspci -n"... what are the numbers? (should be something like xxxx:yyyy) |
| 19:01.53 | enouf | alt-f2? |
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| 19:02.54 | DirkGently | Wyzard: 0101: 1106:5372 |
| 19:03.05 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: I already run OO. That's only a question to know how wine without dual boot works :-) |
| 19:03.16 | enouf | abrotman: is there a etch+half symlink to that? if not, make one please? ;-) |
| 19:03.27 | abrotman | symolink? |
| 19:03.31 | sauvin | I just tuned back in. Orion_X11, what are you asking about, specifically/ |
| 19:03.56 | abrotman | !etch+half is <reply> see etchnhalf |
| 19:03.56 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 19:04.07 | enouf | yeah, like silly "k7 dropped" .. i can never recall he dropped, i keep thnking deprecated |
| 19:04.21 | enouf | ooo, nice ;-) |
| 19:04.34 | enouf | wait |
| 19:04.42 | enouf | !etch+half |
| 19:04.42 | dpkg | etchnhalf is probably "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 19:04.48 | enouf | ok, nice ;-) |
| 19:04.50 | Wyzard | DirkGently: That controller is supported by the sata_via driver in kernel 2.6.24, but the version of sata_via driver in etch's 2.6.18 doesn't support it |
| 19:04.58 | Orion_X11 | sauvin: I am asking about how to run M$ appls with wine without dual-boot |
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| 19:05.08 | Wyzard | DirkGently: You'll need to install using something with a newer kernel |
| 19:05.20 | enouf | dpkg: k7 deprecated is <reply> see k7dropped |
| 19:05.20 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 19:05.24 | enouf | \o/ |
| 19:05.25 | DirkGently | Wyzard: ok... lenny? |
| 19:05.32 | abrotman | Orion_X11: i'm sure google kas precise instructions |
| 19:05.51 | Wyzard | DirkGently: Well, people have made unofficial etch installers using newer kernels |
| 19:05.55 | enouf | oh crap .. fuck - it's "k7 dropped" , not "k7dropped" .. man i suck |
| 19:06.02 | sauvin | Orion_X11, wine is a kind of compatibility layer. It doesn't furnish hundreds or thousands of support dlls that some Windows apps require. However, I *have* successfully run Windows applications on wine in spite of having zero MS code on my computer. |
| 19:06.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: see etchnhalf |
| 19:06.11 | DirkGently | Wyzard: ok I'll hunt.. thx |
| 19:06.16 | Wyzard | DirkGently: or you could use the etchnhalf installer as others are suggesting |
| 19:06.17 | ^]] | Orion_X11: you can also think about virtualization, with free beer vmware server or xen on newer hardware |
| 19:06.36 | ^]] | you install a windows on a virtual machine, and use what you have to |
| 19:07.18 | sauvin | I think I DID once run Excel in Wine from the Windows partition when I _did_ have one, but don't remember being impressed. |
| 19:07.31 | enouf | dpkg: k7 deprecated is <reply> see k7 dropped |
| 19:07.31 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 19:07.36 | enouf | better |
| 19:07.39 | Orion_X11 | ^]]: Do you mean inside debian? |
| 19:07.42 | abrotman | wtf |
| 19:07.51 | ^]] | under linux, so also in debian |
| 19:08.05 | [xelent] | anyone know how to change the terminal prompt to show only a prompt and not the names? |
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| 19:08.17 | enouf | alter your $PS1 |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | [xelent]: change |
| 19:08.22 | ^]] | [xelent]: export PS1=". " |
| 19:08.33 | sauvin | export PS1="$ " |
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| 19:08.47 | enouf | mine ^^^^^ |
| 19:09.01 | [xelent] | lol |
| 19:09.02 | enouf | more screen real estate for commands ;-) |
| 19:09.07 | sauvin | export PS1="Now what, you great goobering CHIMP!?" |
| 19:09.17 | ^]] | rotfl |
| 19:09.51 | Orion_X11 | ^]]: Ok. Asking this things because I want to initiate my nephew in linux world because he got a new machine. But the barrier is that he does not want to leave win games :-( |
| 19:10.14 | abrotman | games are way d9fferent than office |
| 19:10.17 | ^]] | if you have to run win games, you have basically two choices: dual boot, winex (with supported ones) |
| 19:10.22 | zinx | Orion_X11: don't make him use wine to run windows games |
| 19:10.28 | ^]] | as abrotman says, games are *lot* different from office |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | Orion_X11: check the app DB at winehq.org |
| 19:10.44 | ^]] | winex is a commercial wine fork |
| 19:10.45 | zinx | Orion_X11: the ones that are supported, even if they say "perfect" in whatever database you're looking at, are *not* perfectly supported. there are problems with pretty much all of them. |
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| 19:11.05 | ^]] | someway optimized for gaming |
| 19:11.45 | ricosecada | A minimal Debian installation haven't got exim running right? |
| 19:11.56 | ^]] | i maintain a dual boot configuration on my gaming machine, with two hardware profile in windows, using it natively or under vmware if i have to |
| 19:12.05 | Orion_X11 | ^]]: So, in this case he has to forget the games? It will be a very hard work :-( |
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| 19:12.25 | ^]] | life is very sad, sometimes |
| 19:12.29 | milligan | cfdisk says my partition to be 4 gig. df -h says 2 gig. Why ? I've mounted the partition. |
| 19:12.47 | enouf | Wyzard: did you get a hit back from pciids for 1106:5372 ? Sata VIA .. my pciids is up to date, but nothing returned here from grepping .pcimap |
| 19:13.06 | abrotman | Orion_X11: there are games for linux |
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| 19:14.23 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: I know. But "sophisticated" games? Whatever sophisticated means |
| 19:14.37 | abrotman | they exist |
| 19:14.53 | Wyzard | enouf: I found it by looking in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/modules.pcimap |
| 19:14.57 | sauvin | They exist, but you're not going to buy them at Walmart. |
| 19:15.01 | ^]] | lokigames ported someone, quake3 engine and superior exists for linux |
| 19:15.12 | ^]] | and lot of good quality games do, also |
| 19:15.37 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: I've tried out Cedega (a variant of wine meant specifically for games) and not been very impressed with it |
| 19:15.52 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: though admittedly that was a few years ago; maybe it's gotten better |
| 19:15.59 | NthDegree | Wyzard: try CrossOver Gaming |
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| 19:16.08 | abrotman | http://happypenguin.org/ |
| 19:16.09 | NthDegree | and no it hasn't |
| 19:16.18 | xingu | Orion_X11: "an artful lie" is the definition I like best. |
| 19:16.28 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: I have the native Linux versions of Unreal Tournament 2004, Quake 4, and Doom 3 installed on my 64-bit Linux system and they work great |
| 19:16.39 | zinx | Wyzard: wine's gotten better, cedega has rotted |
| 19:16.40 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: For other stuff that doesn't have a native Linux version, I just use Windows |
| 19:16.53 | Wyzard | zinx: good to know; I've been meaning to give wine another try sometime |
| 19:16.57 | zinx | Wyzard: but wine still isn't anywhere near there |
| 19:17.23 | Wyzard | I'm actually building a new Windows gaming machine right now though (as in, I just took the motherboard out of the box) |
| 19:17.26 | zinx | Wyzard: (as in, being a usable replacement for windows for games.. it's way beyond cedega, except possibly for certain games cedega's specificly hacked to work with :P ) |
| 19:17.28 | enouf | Wyzard: right, i use grep '1106\ .*5372' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap .. oh wait, crap wait, even ~$ grep '1106\ .*5372' /usr/share/misc/pci.ids fails |
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| 19:17.39 | enouf | Wyzard: mine is .16 though O_o |
| 19:17.55 | Wyzard | enouf: You're running 2.6.16? |
| 19:18.02 | Wyzard | enouf: That's pre-etch... why such an old kernel? |
| 19:18.19 | enouf | Wyzard: why not ;-) .. i loathe rebooting? |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | he's had enouf with kernel upgrades |
| 19:18.29 | Wyzard | lol |
| 19:18.36 | enouf | Wyzard: old hardware - works finr |
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| 19:18.54 | Wyzard | enouf: sure, but you don't get etch's security updates for that kernel |
| 19:18.57 | ricosecada | abrotman, you know this, is a minimal Debian running with exim listening on smtp? |
| 19:19.07 | abrotman | and? |
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| 19:19.23 | enouf | Wyzard: and i wasn't affected by that VMsplice issue ;-) |
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| 19:20.04 | enouf | Wyzard: i have a .23 and .24 built here, sitting here doing nothing ;-) |
| 19:20.34 | Wyzard | enouf: You're probably affected by http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1575 though |
| 19:20.46 | enouf | i knew you'd find something, lmao |
| 19:21.12 | Wyzard | It was just a few days ago |
| 19:21.15 | Orion_X11 | Thx for all the infos guys. I will research more about games and now I think I will have some arguments to convince my nephew to experience the very powerful linux world :-) |
| 19:21.51 | enouf | Wyzard: Alexander Viro discovered a race condition in the fcntl code that may permit local users on multi-processor <-- not an issue ;-) |
| 19:22.07 | ricosecada | abrotman, well is it? |
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| 19:22.30 | Wyzard | enouf: OK, going back two weeks further: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1565 |
| 19:22.30 | abrotman | is what? ask a real question |
| 19:22.38 | enouf | Wyzard: there were things though that i recall - prior to etch, affecting .15-18 or whatever |
| 19:22.41 | guru3 | is there anyway to use the debian cd and keep it from loading a certain module? |
| 19:22.53 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:22.53 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:22.59 | enouf | Wyzard: but the bad guys forget about old crap and move on :-P |
| 19:23.00 | abrotman | do expert mode |
| 19:23.18 | xingu | enouf: not in my experience |
| 19:23.33 | enouf | xingu: point |
| 19:23.43 | ricosecada | abrotman, when you install a minimal debian netinst is exim running listening on other than localhost connections? |
| 19:23.47 | enouf | Wyzard: noted, thanks - i'll do it next reboot |
| 19:24.03 | enouf | ~ Christmas :-p |
| 19:24.08 | enouf | runs |
| 19:24.09 | Wyzard | enouf: Don't ever try to do dm-crypt on software RAID with that kernel btw... there's a bug that causes data corruption, which was fixed in 2.6.18 shortly before etch's release |
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| 19:24.31 | ricosecada | abrotman, its not that hard to understand the question. |
| 19:24.34 | enouf | Wyzard: thank you for that - i wouldn't try that though |
| 19:24.37 | xingu | there's probably an ext3 bug too given the right load |
| 19:24.56 | abrotman | ricosecada: it depends how you configure it |
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| 19:25.29 | ricosecada | abrotman, if I don't touch it (I just can't remember, not that I don't know how to set it up). |
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| 19:25.45 | ricosecada | abrotman, the default setup |
| 19:25.50 | abrotman | i yhink the default is local lonly |
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| 19:26.39 | ricosecada | abrotman, thanks |
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| 19:28.48 | enouf | ricosecada: http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i-tricks/ .. might tell you something about what is/not doable |
| 19:29.07 | abrotman | eh? |
| 19:29.32 | ricosecada | enouf? |
| 19:30.32 | enouf | nm |
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| 19:35.35 | enouf | I recall the Installer asking me whether or not wanting to setup Smarthost stuff, but whatever |
| 19:35.48 | enouf | Installer log entry; 2006-11-13 01:25:26 exim 4.63 daemon started: pid=4200, -q30m, listening for SMTP on [127.0.0.1]:25 |
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| 19:37.48 | ricosecada | enouf, I just remembered that I had ssh access to a server I set up the other day only with minimal debian etch netinst, and there is no exim listening. |
| 19:37.55 | ricosecada | Not even localhost. |
| 19:38.19 | ricosecada | As far as I can see, the mail is being delivered using a cronjob. |
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| 19:42.39 | ricosecada | Actually exim is not even installed on a minimal debian netinst. |
| 19:43.57 | ricosecada | The cronjob was the bsdmainutils that uses the sendmail command, but that has nothing to do with it. |
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| 19:47.19 | enouf | rgrep -l exim4 /mnt/p3/var/log/ |
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| 19:47.53 | olle-wp | i had not expected that anything like the SSL bug could ever happen. |
| 19:47.59 | olle-wp | so many eyes watching. |
| 19:48.18 | mrfree | I've just upgrade to lenny and installed ntfs-3g but if I use gnome to mount a disk I receive "permission denied" |
| 19:48.20 | olle-wp | discussions and proposed patches on one bugzilla and one mailing list |
| 19:48.42 | ricosecada | enouf, we are not on the same page :-) |
| 19:49.40 | enouf | ricosecada: well, i guess not - obviously if any exim pkgs were installed it would show up in various /var/log/ file |
| 19:49.42 | enouf | files |
| 19:49.54 | mom | olle-wp: Either we don't have enough eyes or the FOSS "many eyes" metholodogy is flawed. |
| 19:50.12 | ricosecada | olle-wp, that just proves, that nothing is 100% "safe" even though lots of people are looking at it. |
| 19:50.48 | ricosecada | enouf, you are looking at a log file, on some mounted directory? What has that got to do with a minimal debian netinst? |
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| 19:51.11 | zinx | mom: ... or maybe just nothing is 100% perfect |
| 19:51.15 | ricosecada | enouf, there is no exim on a minimal debian netinst you have to install it yourself. |
| 19:51.21 | enouf | mrfree: gnome-volume-something?? gnome-mount? man gnome-<tab><tab> |
| 19:51.26 | ricosecada | zinx, better said :-) |
| 19:51.30 | zinx | mom: and maybe no one claimed as such. |
| 19:51.36 | mom | zinx: Pff, the openssl bug was closer to 0% safe than 100%. |
| 19:51.40 | ricosecada | zinx, no one did |
| 19:51.45 | enouf | ricosecada: it's where i have another Etch installation |
| 19:51.55 | zinx | mom: the openssl bug specificly, but you're ignoring absolutely everything else then |
| 19:52.01 | ricosecada | enouf, then its not a minimal netinst |
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| 19:52.06 | zinx | mom: including countless bugs in openssl |
| 19:52.18 | zinx | mom: which *have* been discovered |
| 19:52.20 | mrfree | enouf, what you mean? I have installed gnome-desktop-environment |
| 19:52.35 | zinx | mom: and thwarted before it was too late in most cases :P |
| 19:52.37 | enouf | ricosecada: no kidding, but what i offered could've answered your orig question straight away |
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| 19:53.09 | ricosecada | enouf, in what way? Sorry I don't see that. |
| 19:53.12 | enouf | mrfree: did your pmount, or /etc/fstab settings change? |
| 19:53.37 | enouf | ricosecada: to quote myself " obviously if any exim pkgs were installed it would show up in various /var/log/ file" |
| 19:53.51 | mrfree | enouf, partitions I want to mount aren't in fstab |
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| 19:54.13 | mrfree | enouf, mmmhh pmount isn't installed |
| 19:54.13 | ricosecada | enouf, straight away? You just said that. |
| 19:54.27 | enouf | mrfree: then the upgrade broke something, do you even know how or why it worked pror? |
| 19:54.30 | DirkGently | Wyzard: I decided just to use testing - it's working thanks |
| 19:54.32 | mom | zinx: This wasn't an openssl bug, it was a Debian bug. |
| 19:54.37 | ricosecada | enouf, lets leave it alone :-) I got my answer. |
| 19:54.47 | mrfree | enouf, it never worked :) both etch and lenny |
| 19:54.47 | zinx | mom: i was using your words |
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| 19:55.01 | enouf | mrfree: oh, then /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 19:55.10 | enouf | mrfree: or ntfsro |
| 19:55.50 | mom | zinx: I was obviously referring to the bug in Debian's modification of openssl and you went off on a tangent on how awesome openssl is at catching bugs. |
| 19:55.59 | zinx | mom: basically, if you have a bag of marbles, 100,000 of them blue and one red, what you're doing is taking out the red one and saying "this is 0% blue, not 100%!!" |
| 19:56.27 | mrfree | enouf, I already installed ntfs-3g it works if I manually mount a partition, but it doesn't using gnome |
| 19:56.27 | zinx | mom: openssl was involved in the Debian patch |
| 19:56.28 | enouf | boy, where'd all these bitches come from? |
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| 19:57.14 | zinx | mom: specificly, the Debian maintainer discussed it with the openssl developers on the developer mailing list before applying it, and the openssl developers said it shouldn't hurt anything. |
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| 19:57.17 | enouf | mrfree: i don't use gnome - but i'd guess it'd have to do with gnome-vfs and volume mount perms |
| 19:57.22 | mom | zinx: The mailing list post? Was that even relevant to the change? |
| 19:57.30 | zinx | mom: it *was* the change. |
| 19:57.35 | enouf | mrfree: oh .. and i dont use ntfs ;-) |
| 19:57.43 | simonrvn | @!!!!! |
| 19:57.44 | ravenbird | it has been said that !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 19:57.51 | mom | zinx: I was under the impression that was only half of the bug. |
| 19:58.21 | zinx | mom: it doesn't matter, you're still assuming that all the other marbles are red just because the one you pulled was |
| 19:59.02 | simonrvn | zinx: no, they're purple. they mixed. |
| 19:59.29 | zinx | mom: worse, you can even clearly see them all, and you still refuse to believe they're anything but red :P |
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| 19:59.55 | ricosecada | enouf, bitches? So far I have seen nothing useful from you. |
| 20:00.01 | enouf | cuts off a chickens head over the bag of marbles .. there!@ |
| 20:00.15 | mom | zinx: What? That metaphor still doesn't make any sense have you've repeated it. Debian's modified openssl was unusably flawed. |
| 20:00.34 | enouf | ricosecada: so, what are you saying? you're useless? |
| 20:00.51 | mom | *after |
| 20:00.52 | zinx | mom: you're pretty dense if you can't understand it, IMHO. and to continue it, you just said "but this red marble is red!!!!" |
| 20:01.01 | jelly-home | hi mom |
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| 20:01.23 | zinx | mom: you are ignoring absolutely everything but this one issue |
| 20:01.55 | zinx | mom: and then claiming everything else MUST be like this one issue |
| 20:02.12 | enouf | ricosecada: do tell me, oh wise POUS; if exim isn't installed how could it possibly be running? |
| 20:02.21 | mom | zinx: No, I'm not. I'm claiming Debian should look into changing how it maintains packages. |
| 20:02.41 | zinx | mom: what changes do you suggest? |
| 20:03.27 | mom | zinx: Anyway, you're wrong about the mailing list post. |
| 20:03.29 | mom | http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=114651085826293&w=2 |
| 20:03.45 | ricosecada | enouf, now you are really making a fool of yourself. If exim is running, you are not running a minimal installation, how hard is it to understand? |
| 20:04.19 | enouf | ricosecada: you might want to pull your foot out of your mouth now .. |
| 20:04.32 | enouf | you specifically asked about exim |
| 20:04.46 | enouf | now, why would you do that if it's not installed? |
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| 20:04.54 | ricosecada | enouf, yes and you answered by showing me some useless link. |
| 20:04.59 | enouf | oh wait, you have no fucken clue what's installed? |
| 20:05.01 | enouf | ok, i see |
| 20:05.05 | [xelent] | How to give strftime differnent colors for clock numbers? |
| 20:05.12 | enouf | bravo .. nice job |
| 20:05.14 | ricosecada | enouf, see that's why you are wrong.. don't assume stuff |
| 20:05.21 | enouf | you're fired! |
| 20:05.39 | ricosecada | its not installed.. thats why I needed to know.. fool.. otherwise I could just look. |
| 20:05.54 | nvti | yeah, foo |
| 20:06.15 | mom | zinx: The obvious change it is not modify packages, especially security-critical packages, for inane reasons |
| 20:06.17 | enouf | be bar, you be foo :-P |
| 20:06.22 | simonrvn | ricosecada: an mta is installed during the installation. and quit it with the insults. |
| 20:06.28 | enouf | calls up baz |
| 20:06.33 | zinx | mom: you'll have to define 'inane' |
| 20:06.48 | zinx | mom: because making stuff debuggable via valgrind is not 'inane' to me |
| 20:07.02 | ricosecada | simonrvn, and bitch is not an insult.. no MTA is installed in debian minimal netins |
| 20:07.02 | zinx | mom: especially for security-critical packages. |
| 20:07.20 | enouf | ricosecada: i didn't call anyone in particular a name |
| 20:07.25 | ricosecada | simonrvn, what mta? |
| 20:07.37 | mom | zinx: No modification was needed, but the maintainer made the change anyway http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=114655011201800&w=2 |
| 20:07.39 | simonrvn | ricosecada: whatTHEFUCKever |
| 20:07.47 | zinx | mom: but it clearly is to you - and the debian team will have to know what's "inane" and what's not to be able to avoid "inane" changes. |
| 20:07.49 | zinx | mom: read that again |
| 20:07.53 | simonrvn | just here to whine, so ignored you are now |
| 20:07.56 | ricosecada | enouf, but you where clearly referring to me and the other dude |
| 20:08.08 | enouf | ^fives simonrvn and does the same |
| 20:08.09 | zinx | mom: both were contributing to valgrind throwing uses of uinitialized memory, not just the ifdef'd one |
| 20:08.12 | ricosecada | simonrvn, thanks I need the peace |
| 20:08.19 | enouf | yes, the beauty of irc |
| 20:08.24 | ricosecada | indeed |
| 20:08.40 | AwesomeGuy | i NEED SOME HELP WITH DOSBOX AND THE MAN DOESN'T HELP |
| 20:08.42 | AwesomeGuy | woops |
| 20:08.44 | AwesomeGuy | damn caps |
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| 20:08.50 | enouf | sure .. sure :-p |
| 20:08.52 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:08.55 | [xelent] | lol |
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| 20:10.26 | jelly-home | fail |
| 20:10.28 | simonrvn | ricosecada: you need to get laid or something. someone that whiny.... fo' sho'. |
| 20:10.31 | NthDegree | hey guys, has anyone slips an RHEL 5 SELinux policy on to Debian? |
| 20:10.39 | NthDegree | slipped* |
| 20:11.01 | ricosecada | simonrvn, stating facts about Debian is not whining. |
| 20:11.54 | jelly-home | ricosecada, this is a support channel. stating facts unrelated to support questions isn't relevant |
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| 20:12.13 | ricosecada | simonrvn, but I am sure a GANSTA like yourself wouldn't know the difference. |
| 20:12.38 | Xteven | is this what is called "trolling" ? |
| 20:12.46 | jelly-home | !win Xteven |
| 20:12.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, Xteven! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:12.47 | ricosecada | jelly-home, it wasn't unrelated. Other people where reading and someone might get the wrong understanding. |
| 20:13.06 | jelly-home | ricosecada, do you have a support question? |
| 20:13.08 | Xteven | yay! my first order is free ice-cream for * |
| 20:13.23 | ricosecada | jelly-home, no just all the answers |
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| 20:13.41 | enouf | well, from elsewhere, AwesomeGuy's issue was "cd C:\" wasn't working, but "cd C:" did |
| 20:13.50 | ricosecada | jelly-home, but I did, and abrotman answers some ten years ago. |
| 20:13.58 | simonrvn | assumption of who i am based on something i said is stupid. |
| 20:14.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:14.26 | jelly-home | enouf, DOS is a tough cookie. |
| 20:14.40 | ricosecada | abrotman, you answered the question.. a typo :-) |
| 20:14.45 | enouf | cracks some nuts instead O_o |
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| 20:15.18 | Baloo | jelly-home: Sure that, but still, the opposite of enouf's example should have been the true one... |
| 20:15.24 | [xelent] | teehee |
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| 20:15.53 | enouf | is an example setter now? sheesh |
| 20:16.11 | jelly-home | what is the world coming to |
| 20:16.44 | simonrvn | someone's got an inflated sense of self i think |
| 20:17.09 | enouf | i think it's just panties in a wad .. perhaps with some anal leakage O_o |
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| 20:17.33 | enouf | moving right along .... |
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| 20:18.29 | simonrvn | i was about to come up with something, but i went "no way, too much overboard" |
| 20:18.48 | enouf | did it for ya ;-) |
| 20:19.03 | [xelent] | **coughs** |
| 20:19.14 | simonrvn | johnny cash++ |
| 20:19.31 | jelly-home | enouf, I thought it was just "C:" anyway |
| 20:19.56 | jelly-home | has an autoexec set up anyway |
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| 20:21.08 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 20:21.48 | enouf | jelly-home: yeah, the kid mounted to /media/something, and coudn't cd into it, oh well |
| 20:23.08 | Nazcafan | I installed icedove-gnome-support package, but I still can not access gnome-vfs filesystems from the openfile box as I can in gedit, did I do something wrong ? |
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| 20:25.22 | JustineC | Hi. Can someone ID the debian package_name for Xen kernel source? I have xen and the xen kernel, as well as non-xen 'linux-source', but am missing the equivalent of RH's "kernel-xen-devel". |
| 20:25.37 | Baloo | I just started using citadel for an MTA and groupware this week...I like it so far. My only complaint with it thus far is that you can't alias to a pipe with it. |
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| 20:26.33 | Baloo | Oh, and for some reason, it's address, phone and email fields are gratuitously different from what kaddressbook puts in via groupdav. |
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| 20:26.52 | Baloo | It works either way as long as you pull the global address book as a read-only resource. |
| 20:27.16 | mrfree | using gnome-mount -vdb /dev/sda4 I receive org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied |
| 20:27.26 | ricosecada | Baloo, and we need to know because? :-) |
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| 20:27.38 | u7ttrt | hi |
| 20:27.38 | apt | bonjour, u7ttrt |
| 20:28.07 | jelly-home | ricosecada, it's more interesting than openssl? |
| 20:28.27 | Baloo | ricosecada: I discovered this the hard way: request-tracker depends on an MTA with pipe aliases. you can work around it, but it's a real bitch. |
| 20:28.42 | u7ttrt | doing something wrong here? "DISPLAY=71.242.31.166:0.0 export DISPLAY" mozilla does not display |
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| 20:28.57 | Baloo | There ought to be a minimum standard of functionality required to be able to satisfy mail-transfer-agent. |
| 20:29.15 | jelly-home | Baloo, what sort of a mta do you have a doesn't do |foo? |
| 20:29.22 | ricosecada | Baloo, I see |
| 20:29.32 | Baloo | jelly-home: I just said... citadel. :o) It's great, it's just missing that. |
| 20:29.47 | ricosecada | jelly-home, I haven't said a word about openssl. |
| 20:30.02 | Baloo | jelly-home: It also looks like it has the start of what would be a ripping XMPP server if it were complete. It's missing some key features like presence and s2s right now. |
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| 20:31.24 | Baloo | I switched to citadel mostly because I really, really needed ASMTP against PAM, and every other MTA makes doing that rediculously hard. |
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| 20:32.51 | Baloo | Given how common the need is for ASMTP, and how universal PAM is in the Linux world, I'm fairly surprised that being able to relay mail via ASMTP authenticating against PAM isn't in the stock debian configs for every MTA |
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| 20:33.03 | enouf | drive-bys, meh |
| 20:33.06 | sandman | What ports does VNC use? |
| 20:33.13 | Baloo | Am I the only one who thinks it's a no-brainer, or am I alone on this one? |
| 20:33.18 | jelly-home | doesn't even know what ASMTP is, and he's a mail admin |
| 20:33.24 | Baloo | authenticated SMTP |
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| 20:33.38 | jelly-home | Baloo, oh, you mean SMTP AUTH? |
| 20:33.39 | mquin | sandman: typicaly 5900 upwards |
| 20:33.42 | Baloo | jelly-home: Yup |
| 20:33.53 | jelly-home | then say so! |
| 20:33.55 | enouf | to answer JustineC, the drive-by, http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 20:34.01 | sandman | mquin: So I'd have to allow a range of IPs on my router |
| 20:34.15 | sandman | Like 5900 to 5901, in the case that I have only one VNC server running @ :1? |
| 20:34.30 | Baloo | sandman: 59xx where xx is the display number, adding a lead zero for single-digit display numbers, ie :0 is 5900, :1 is 5901, etc. |
| 20:34.41 | sandman | Baloo: Thank you |
| 20:34.44 | jelly-home | Baloo, making postfix do sasl, and sasl do pam isn't exactly easy, but it's not rocket science either |
| 20:34.54 | enouf | mrfree: might try irc.gnome.org? or even ##linux, or other #gnome related channels? |
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| 20:35.14 | enouf | mrfree: could do /msg chanserv list #*gnome* |
| 20:35.32 | Baloo | I spent 8 hours fighting with postfix to do just that before moving on and trying a different MTA. This after spending at least 12 with exim trying to get SMTP AUTH to check against PAM and work. |
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| 20:36.00 | Baloo | And I know and like exim. It shouldn't be *that* hard for someone to set that up. |
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| 20:36.39 | wij32 | hey all, i have an pci-express card (external, its slightly smaller), its atheros based, so would install be the same as atheros pci, or will i need something different as its an express card? |
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| 20:37.18 | jelly-home | wij32, PCIe behaves and looks about the same as PCI to Linux |
| 20:37.19 | Baloo | wij32: I'd go with intuition on that first and if that doesn't work, you at least know the obvious route doesn't work, yes? |
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| 20:37.36 | wij32 | ok sure :) |
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| 20:38.11 | jelly-home | "PCIe" and "external" is slightly suspicious, though |
| 20:38.13 | kuber | anyone know if this exists? a live cd that contains the base deb packages required for a new install and runs a dhcp server set up for FAI installs? |
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| 20:38.32 | kuber | im googling and can't seem to find anything... |
| 20:39.14 | Baloo | jelly-home: I had an external motherboard for a while: I drove nails through the mounting holes and hung it from the wall. Used Erector set pieces to stabilize the cards using the backplanes. |
| 20:39.22 | wij32 | jelly-home: why suspicous? |
| 20:39.34 | kuber | it would be incredibly usefuul... |
| 20:39.39 | ijk | can I start a specific program as a specific user upon bootup? my vps sometimes reboots (forced by host OS) and I have to start my tomcat manually (not running as service) as a nonprivileged user |
| 20:39.39 | kuber | Baloo: heh. pics? |
| 20:39.49 | Baloo | kuber: Unfortunately, I didn't have a camera as a teenager. |
| 20:40.24 | jelly-home | wij32, PCIe slots are not made to be external |
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| 20:41.13 | Baloo | kuber: I did discover that a Dual Pentium 100 system with no case could easily and thoroughly obliterate the reception of the strongest FM radio station in the region, even though we were located only 2 miles from the KKRZ transmitter... |
| 20:41.43 | wij32 | jelly-home: well im not sure what it is then, on side of my laptop where i plug a wireless card into, i thought that was pci? |
| 20:41.46 | jelly-home | wij32, ExpressCard, PCMCIA/CardBus successor, is a different thing. |
| 20:41.52 | wij32 | ah yes |
| 20:41.54 | wij32 | thats is |
| 20:41.56 | wij32 | express card |
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| 20:42.21 | Baloo | Which is good because KKRZ plays about a 50/50 mix of ads and the worst "top40" pop imaginable. And at 100.3 MHz, they're ripe fodder for interference from the P100s... |
| 20:42.39 | jelly-home | Baloo, surely you jest |
| 20:42.43 | enouf | jelly-home: expresscard |
| 20:42.48 | enouf | oh |
| 20:42.56 | enouf | late again |
| 20:43.03 | loonyxp | I have a problem with the "mailman" package. I am using qmail and 1) the wrapper script qmail-to-mailman.py seems not to work at all, 2) after setting up the aliases in qmail for myself I get an error from mailman that the group is "nofiles" and not like expected "daemon". Is the package just plain wrong configured or am I overlooking something here? |
| 20:43.50 | Baloo | jelly-home: Heh, Z100 truly sucks, but something about my neighbor's stereo was even worse. Once I discovered that, I moved the motherboard to the wall where it best interfered with their stereo. |
| 20:43.56 | wij32 | so would the expresscard install be similar to that of a normal external card? |
| 20:44.02 | Baloo | After that, they didn't get Z100 again until I moved out. |
| 20:44.10 | jelly-home | loonyxp, the package is set up to work with normal MTAs... you might have to rebuild it to use qmail's gid |
| 20:44.37 | enouf | expresscard.org and http://www.pcmcia.org/faq.htm if anyone's intersted |
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| 20:44.54 | wij32 | enouf: thanks! |
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| 20:45.22 | jelly-home | Baloo, the wonders of an unshielded mobo! |
| 20:45.41 | Baloo | jelly-home: In the hands of someone who understands RF no less. |
| 20:45.46 | loonyxp | jelly-home: I tried that too, but unfornately it requieres japanese and korean python packages which are not available for debian for python 2.4, the package maintainer seems to have patched the original package. I applied the diff from him, but after that configure refuses to work at all :( |
| 20:46.10 | jelly-home | !tell loonyxp about ssb |
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| 20:47.18 | Vegar | I installed iceweasel from experimental and it segfaults when starting it - even with a brand new ~ |
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| 20:47.23 | Vegar | anyone know if there's a solution? |
| 20:47.26 | jelly-home | loonyxp, apt-get build-dep line will get you what's needed to build it anew |
| 20:47.46 | jelly-home | Vegar: Hello...? experimental? |
| 20:47.51 | Vegar | yeah, I know |
| 20:47.55 | Vegar | but still.. |
| 20:47.57 | Nyle | well |
| 20:48.04 | Nyle | I have some fantastic news |
| 20:48.07 | loonyxp | jelly-home: thanks, I'll try it again... I'll report back then |
| 20:48.07 | jelly-home | !penixstrike Vegar |
| 20:48.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Vegar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:48.15 | snuggles` | hi, anyone here in control of ftp.debian.nl it seems like its name servers are down, i can't resolve it for 2 days now on different machines |
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| 20:48.49 | Nyle | today I tried ubuntu 8.04.. and just like always, it pissed me off cuz it keeps crashing... and they tell me cuz fglrx sucks and blah blah blah... umm.. how come it doesn't fuck up in debian? |
| 20:48.53 | Nyle | you know |
| 20:48.56 | Nyle | bah, whatever |
| 20:49.07 | Nyle | sticks to the king of linux, the almighty debian |
| 20:49.23 | jelly-home | Nyle, #ubuntu? #debian-offtopic? |
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| 20:49.49 | Nyle | jelly-home, what |
| 20:50.27 | jelly-home | Nyle, this is still not a social channel |
| 20:50.58 | Baloo | But #debian-offtopic is. |
| 20:51.07 | Nyle | jelly-home, alright, watch me tell you the same thing from now on |
| 20:51.14 | jelly-home | you bet! |
| 20:51.19 | snuggles` | also can anyone help me change the source.list file, whenever i type in a new mirror i get errors such as; W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/experimental Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_ |
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| 20:52.09 | Nyle | jelly-home, though... I'm not sure what you were trying to ask me, so I'll keep doing whatever it is that I do. |
| 20:52.11 | Benzi | Hey, this isn't completely debian-related, but I'm trying to link my debian system to a printer over the network |
| 20:52.19 | Benzi | one that's attached to a windows computer |
| 20:52.21 | wij32 | has anyone used an expresscard for wireless? |
| 20:52.36 | Nyle | Benzi, samba should be able to handle it |
| 20:53.02 | Nyle | make the printer shared in windows, and use samba, add cups and add the network printer through the smb |
| 20:53.05 | Benzi | nyle, normally yes, but it's an HP P1006 and there is no support for that over the network though |
| 20:53.29 | Nyle | then thats a windows problem |
| 20:53.35 | Benzi | uh... |
| 20:53.39 | Nyle | or yours. |
| 20:53.41 | enouf | snuggles`: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:53.46 | Benzi | it certainly is my problem |
| 20:53.53 | Benzi | but what I want to do is |
| 20:53.58 | Nyle | Iuse windows all the time, and i know it doesn't matter which printe you use, you can share any printer you want over the network |
| 20:54.02 | Nyle | ANY printer. |
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| 20:54.04 | enouf | snuggles`: and if possible please use http over ftp |
| 20:54.10 | Benzi | nyle |
| 20:54.14 | Benzi | okay |
| 20:54.27 | Benzi | please tell me how then |
| 20:54.29 | Nyle | Benzi, consult ##windows if you can't figure out how to share the printer |
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| 20:54.34 | Benzi | nyle |
| 20:54.40 | Benzi | I am not a total idiot |
| 20:54.42 | enouf | simonrvn: though i forget if that's only kernel.org that asks for that .. but i'd think it'd be the same ;-) |
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| 20:54.46 | Nyle | Benzi, I know :) |
| 20:54.46 | kmindi | hi |
| 20:54.46 | apt | hola, kmindi |
| 20:54.49 | Nyle | you don't seem like it |
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| 20:54.51 | Benzi | I have one windows printer set up already |
| 20:54.57 | enouf | wow apt is on the ball |
| 20:55.07 | enouf | all day .. maybe longer |
| 20:55.10 | kmindi | where can i get the debian apt-get releases signature |
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| 20:55.15 | Benzi | it is an HP laserjet 3330 MFP |
| 20:55.16 | kmindi | key from? |
| 20:55.17 | Benzi | and it works fine |
| 20:55.18 | mmp | hello, anyone here using pam_mysql ? I'm trying to make it authenticate on database with mysql scrambled passwords, but it doesn't seem to work.. |
| 20:55.19 | cloakable | I've setup Xinerama on my desktop, but something seems to have gone (badly) wrong - one monitor is displaying at 640x480, despite being configured to display at 1280x1024. Can anyone help? |
| 20:55.27 | Nyle | Benzi, obviously it doesn't work fine. |
| 20:55.35 | enouf | kmindi: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 20:55.41 | kmindi | apt: hi |
| 20:55.42 | apt | hello, kmindi |
| 20:55.44 | Benzi | wanna place 20 bucks on that one? |
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| 20:55.49 | Benzi | what I'm saying is |
| 20:56.00 | Benzi | the 3330 MFP works fine over the network |
| 20:56.11 | Benzi | because hplip supports network printing for it |
| 20:56.15 | Nyle | Benzi, doesn't matter what printer it is. You share it, and it becomes available on the windows network. Any workgroup user can send print jobs to it, as long as the windows desktop it is connected to is on and configured to share the printer |
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| 20:56.19 | Benzi | the P1006 I can't get to work |
| 20:56.26 | Benzi | nyle |
| 20:56.27 | Benzi | I'm sorry |
| 20:56.30 | Nyle | Benzi, you're trying to get it to print over the network? |
| 20:56.36 | Benzi | nyle |
| 20:56.36 | Nyle | as in a network printer |
| 20:56.41 | Benzi | yes |
| 20:56.42 | Nyle | or is it connected to a desktop of windows? |
| 20:56.50 | Benzi | yeah |
| 20:56.55 | Benzi | that is what I have miscommunicated |
| 20:57.03 | enouf | simonrvn: my bad tab, i meant snuggles` |
| 20:57.04 | Nyle | uff |
| 20:57.41 | Benzi | I have a printer set up at smb://192.168.1.31/HPLaserJ |
| 20:57.49 | Benzi | the other one won't work |
| 20:57.58 | enouf | ipp? |
| 20:58.27 | Benzi | enouf, ? |
| 20:59.32 | snuggles` | enouf: that's fine i did obtain the mirror list but whenever i run apt-get update i get errors such as 'no such file and dir in /var/lib/apt/list/_mirror_goes_here |
| 20:59.39 | enouf | IPP - the printing protocol, but i know next to nothing about setting up printers .. maybe cups i could |
| 21:00.04 | Benzi | anyway, the idea I have is |
| 21:00.17 | Benzi | I want to set up some windows program to sort of cushion the driver problem |
| 21:00.19 | kmindi | enouf: thanks, the problem was an incorrect system time |
| 21:00.30 | enouf | snuggles`: hrm, is your sources.list neat and clean and tidy? |
| 21:00.38 | Benzi | as in, act like a printer, except put its jobs into the P1006 |
| 21:00.47 | snuggles` | enouf: yes |
| 21:00.50 | enouf | kmindi: yeaouch |
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| 21:00.57 | Benzi | and be a printer that works with cups |
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| 21:01.03 | Benzi | and HPLIP |
| 21:01.11 | Benzi | any idea what kind of windows program I could use? |
| 21:01.58 | jelly-home | afair there was a cups client for windows |
| 21:02.12 | Benzi | yes, but that doesn't help me |
| 21:02.36 | Benzi | I can't connect the printer to my linux box and share to the windows pc, it has to be the other way aronud |
| 21:02.45 | jelly-home | oh, you have the printer connected to windows. |
| 21:02.59 | enouf | snuggles`: when that happened to me, i mkdir m/var/lib/apt/list/oldcrap ; cp -a /var/lib/apt/list/* /var/lib/apt/list/oldcrap ; then run apt-get update again |
| 21:03.23 | snuggles` | ok sir |
| 21:03.45 | enouf | snuggles`: sorry, once you copy, rm /var/lib/apt/list/* |
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| 21:04.58 | heatman | Hello. Would anyone know of a good application that is capable of converting mp3's into .ogg files |
| 21:05.36 | Benzi | http://justin.yackoski.name/winp |
| 21:05.38 | kdag | heatman: mencoder |
| 21:05.41 | dendrite | heatman: My understanding is that you are unlikely to get satisfactory results with the recompression that would involve. |
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| 21:06.10 | Benzi | that describes setting up a spool directory on the windows machine for postscript files |
| 21:06.20 | Benzi | I'm looking for a workaround something like that |
| 21:06.32 | kdag | oke, so i did a netinstall and then added xserver-xorg |
| 21:06.42 | kdag | why am i lacking the command startx ? |
| 21:06.47 | Benzi | it would be nice if there was a driver that would act as a printer, accept jobs from the linux box, and then send them to the incompatible P1006 |
| 21:07.19 | snuggles` | enouf: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 21:07.55 | abrotman | aptitude update |
| 21:08.02 | enouf | snuggles`: pastebin your sources.list |
| 21:08.03 | abrotman | apt-get update |
| 21:08.15 | snuggles` | abrotman: i get that error when i run apt-get update |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | aptitude update |
| 21:08.54 | snuggles` | abrotman: got the exactly same errors with aptitude update |
| 21:09.38 | kdag | what else apart from xserver-xorg i need to install to get minimal X working? |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | xorg |
| 21:10.02 | kdag | abrotman: like in apt-get install xorg ? |
| 21:10.05 | kdag | all that? |
| 21:10.14 | abrotman | sure |
| 21:10.16 | kdag | ok |
| 21:10.24 | snuggles` | http://pastecode.com/?show=m5c59bce1 |
| 21:11.20 | dendrite | etch + experimental. Wowl |
| 21:11.43 | enouf | nice |
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| 21:12.14 | snuggles` | ? |
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| 21:15.37 | enouf | snuggles`: well, comment out the cdrom line, remove experimental, and run apt-get update |
| 21:15.37 | snuggles` | i really must get this to work and install mysql, apache and mod_perl to get a project done by monday |
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| 21:15.38 | snuggles` | snuggles`: ok |
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| 21:15.38 | NthDegree | hey guys, how do I script apt-get to automatically update/upgrade and install updates unattended? |
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| 21:15.38 | dendrite | NthDegree: That's rather dangerous... I think there is an " |
| 21:15.45 | dendrite | apt-cron tool, or you can do a cron jobl. |
| 21:15.54 | dendrite | Ack, typing is the pits today. |
| 21:16.02 | snuggles` | enouf: you're a life saver, thank you very much <3 |
| 21:16.23 | enouf | snuggles`: using sid with etch is considered foolish (without proper controls in place) .. using experimental in your sources.list is something only very sane debian devs do, or crazy people who need straight jackets :-P |
| 21:16.34 | enouf | snuggles`: heh |
| 21:16.42 | NthDegree | dendrite: inside a chroot I doubt it's a danger |
| 21:16.53 | NthDegree | i'd never do it on my real root |
| 21:16.53 | snuggles` | enouf: yea i needed experimental for firefox 3 |
| 21:17.06 | cloakable | I'm having problems with my Xinerama array. I have both monitors setup with resolution 1280x1024, but one is displaying at 640x480 instead. My xorg.conf is here:http://pastebin.ca/1021317 Windows will drive both monitors at 1280x1024, so it isn't a HW problem. |
| 21:17.11 | dendrite | NthDegree: Then cron job, and/or the apt-cron package, though I've no experience with the latter. |
| 21:17.15 | enouf | snuggles`: but .. if you really must, you go grab the pkg, and other ways, not like that |
| 21:17.26 | NthDegree | okay cool |
| 21:17.30 | snuggles` | enouf: ok sir, thank you |
| 21:18.11 | dendrite | NthDegree: I do have machines that *download* new updates -- but not install 'em. |
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| 21:18.44 | NthDegree | dendrite: oh nice, how does that work? |
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| 21:18.56 | NthDegree | as in for later installing them |
| 21:19.21 | dendrite | NthDegree: crontab entry? Something like 42 2 * * * apt-get update; apt-get upgrade -yud |
| 21:19.24 | wij32 | anyone familiar with installing broadcom using ndiswrapper? |
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| 21:21.34 | doublehp | which soft can take shots on CPIA webcams ? I used to use camE, but it only suports OV511 |
| 21:21.45 | doublehp | CLI and non interactive of course ! |
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| 21:23.08 | goldfischli | hi all |
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| 21:23.54 | wij32 | using ndiswrapper -l, its saying that the device is installed, and hardware present, but when i try to load the driver it says its "not installed (properly)! |
| 21:23.57 | wij32 | any ideas? |
| 21:24.24 | goldfischli | i've dist-upgraded my system .. it stopped at amavisd (configfiles changed).. now i solved the amavis problem but how i can to continue to dist-upgrade? when i try i didnt get any packages to install |
| 21:26.17 | enouf | wij32: which broadcom? why ndiswrapper? |
| 21:26.43 | wij32 | enouf: i dont know why ndis, im reading tutorials, seems thats the thing to do |
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| 21:26.48 | wij32 | and its dell wireless 1390 wlan |
| 21:26.59 | wij32 | should i be doing it another way? |
| 21:27.05 | enouf | doublehp: maybe ask in #v4l ? or ##linux? |
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| 21:27.38 | tzaeru | å |
| 21:28.15 | enouf | wij32: pastebin lspci output |
| 21:28.21 | wij32 | ok one second |
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| 21:30.06 | wij32 | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d7a536438 |
| 21:30.11 | enouf | ok |
| 21:30.13 | wij32 | line 22 |
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| 21:31.06 | comp | greetings, I just wanted to ask if apt-get (or the tool it calls) is able to change lilo.conf in similar way to grub's menu.lst |
| 21:31.32 | enouf | wij32: lspci -nn | grep '0b:00' |
| 21:31.48 | wij32 | yep |
| 21:31.59 | enouf | show me, lmao |
| 21:32.00 | jim | comp: it's possible. to find out, read all files in the source package for lilo |
| 21:32.06 | wij32 | enouf: haha ok |
| 21:32.52 | comp | jim: thanks |
| 21:32.58 | jim | comp: it's possible because packaging consists of authored scripts |
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| 21:33.12 | wij32 | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d378cb3e1 |
| 21:33.25 | enouf | wij32: one line is ok to paste in channel |
| 21:33.42 | jim | if the lilo packaging takes advantage of that, then your answer is not just is it able, but also it in fact does |
| 21:34.07 | jim | comp: why do you ask? |
| 21:34.41 | wij32 | enouf: im using xterm and cant copy and paste, or can i? |
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| 21:35.01 | enouf | wij32: xclipboard |
| 21:35.06 | wij32 | ok |
| 21:35.19 | enouf | wij32: but anyways .. do this grep '14e4\ .*4311' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 21:35.34 | jim | wij32, you could always use that pastebin pipe thing |
| 21:35.41 | enouf | wij32: more than 1 line use a pastebin |
| 21:35.56 | wij32 | ok |
| 21:35.59 | wij32 | do that ^ |
| 21:36.56 | wij32 | no results returned |
| 21:37.06 | enouf | wij32: ok .. uname -r |
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| 21:37.15 | PleXuS | hi all |
| 21:37.23 | wij32 | enouf: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:37.29 | PleXuS | anyone succeeded installing screenlets on debian 4.0 etch ? |
| 21:37.40 | enouf | wij32: ok .. give me a few mins |
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| 21:37.48 | wij32 | enouf: ok cool |
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| 21:41.00 | sylence | is the bytecoder interpreter enabled by default in recent fontconfig packages? |
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| 21:42.01 | wij32 | and if anyone didnt know, clicking both mouse buttons at the same time pastes in xterm |
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| 21:42.32 | sylence | wij32: thats middle-click-emulation |
| 21:42.53 | jelly-home | wij32, clicking right and left button at the same time is a replacement for the middle button you seem to not have |
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| 21:43.01 | kdag | so, according to my lenny sources list i cant install firefox cause i have a recen iceweasel version |
| 21:43.10 | kdag | what is there to do? |
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| 21:43.33 | jelly-home | wij32, (you probably do, most mice have clickable wheels) |
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| 21:43.50 | wij32 | jelly-home: im on laptop :) |
| 21:44.06 | jelly-home | my laptop has three buttons |
| 21:44.13 | wij32 | nice |
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| 21:46.22 | polatux | hola a todos como estan |
| 21:46.24 | enouf | wij32: looks like you do need ndiswrapper, here's something looks good http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=55662&sid=2f8820e3e1d4327b0a7785a8ec1d5cf3 |
| 21:46.33 | streuner | !es |
| 21:46.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:46.34 | jo4 | do you think that reiserfs will be more efficient than ext3 for a mp3 collection disk? |
| 21:46.54 | enouf | wij32: you want to install wireless-tools also at the least for wifi |
| 21:47.36 | wij32 | yes |
| 21:47.42 | valdyn | jo4: 2024 bytes per file on average |
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| 21:48.03 | wij32 | i have done, thought i neeed to use ndiswrapper to get the driver loaded? |
| 21:48.26 | valdyn | jo4: or half a block |
| 21:48.36 | jo4 | valdyn, that is reccomended? |
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| 21:48.58 | valdyn | jo4: what's "that" ? |
| 21:49.02 | enouf | jelly-home: wij32 wanna hear funny? my old MS intellimouse (ps/2) used left+right to paste, new mouse (usb optical - BUT - with ps/2 adapter and plugged into ps/2 port) uses middle-click O_O |
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| 21:49.12 | jo4 | valdyn, what's "what's "that""? |
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| 21:49.29 | [aA_Aa] | hello |
| 21:49.39 | wij32 | :) |
| 21:49.45 | valdyn | jo4: dont troll me, i just dont know what you are referring to when saying "that is recommended?" |
| 21:49.45 | wij32 | enouf: any ideas? |
| 21:50.10 | enouf | wij32: you mean you were following that exact tutorial prior? |
| 21:50.11 | jo4 | valdyn, i'm no troll. i just don't understand your answer. |
| 21:50.20 | Hammar | so, assuming i want some opengl acceleration for nvidia GeForce 8 Series in testing, what would you guys recommend? |
| 21:50.25 | valdyn | jo4: its a question |
| 21:50.26 | jim | what part of the answer? |
| 21:50.26 | jelly-home | jo4, use ext3 if you don't have a very good reason not to |
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| 21:50.46 | wij32 | yes |
| 21:50.54 | jo4 | valdyn, bah, ok ok.. |
| 21:51.18 | jo4 | jelly-home, well, it's all about speed, if it's faster, than of course i wanna go for reiserfs.. |
| 21:51.19 | Hammar | nvidia-kernel-source does not appear to be in the repositories right now |
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| 21:51.42 | valdyn | somehow doubt that 1% saved space is ever good reason |
| 21:51.53 | jelly-home | it's not "all about speed" |
| 21:52.06 | jim | jo4: it might be, but it doesn't have the greatest stability history |
| 21:52.10 | polatux | que reproductor de mp3 recomiendan para lenny? |
| 21:52.35 | jelly-home | !es |
| 21:52.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:52.41 | valdyn | jo4: im not sure why you think that filesystem speed matters for your use case |
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| 21:53.12 | valdyn | jo4: if you want to store 1 million files in a flat dir, then it probably would, but not for normal mp3 collections |
| 21:53.20 | jelly-home | valdyn, it's crucial to get that 256kb/s from disk as fast as possible! |
| 21:53.28 | beware | can apache2 in etch do proxy? |
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| 21:54.26 | valdyn | !do beware |
| 21:54.26 | dpkg | reluctantly agrees to do beware |
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| 21:55.02 | Nazcafan | !ggl wordreference beware |
| 21:55.21 | beware | phrased differently, i find no trace of mod_proxy in the apache2 installation |
| 21:55.44 | tomfmason | I can't seem to get tg3 to work with my BCM5906m NIC. lspci |grep Ethernet shows Broadcom Corporation Unknown device 1713 |
| 21:56.05 | jim | can you build packages of apache modules like you can build packages of kernel or perl modules? |
| 21:56.17 | abrotman | why not? |
| 21:56.34 | jim | well I mean is there a build system set up to do that |
| 21:56.44 | jelly-home | beware, /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy.so? |
| 21:57.29 | jim | jelly-home: which package is that in? |
| 21:57.39 | jelly-home | beware, apache2.2-common has all the modules |
| 21:57.45 | comp | jim: I want to switch back to old good lilo on one of my servers, that's why I asked |
| 21:58.05 | jelly-home | jim, /msg dpkg find usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_proxy.so |
| 21:58.52 | jim | comp: is grub not working? |
| 21:59.14 | comp | jim: it is, grub is real advantage for computers with physical access |
| 21:59.34 | comp | but this is a medium-sized server which runs a default debian kernel |
| 21:59.36 | jim | and with serial console |
| 21:59.45 | comp | nope |
| 21:59.52 | comp | GRUB supports kernel boot fallback |
| 22:00.04 | comp | but in _really_ more complicated way than lilo (for example) |
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| 22:00.12 | jelly-home | both lilo and grub have serial console support and "boot once" |
| 22:00.22 | comp | jelly-home: yeah, I know |
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| 22:00.29 | jelly-home | what lilo has, is md raid support |
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| 22:00.47 | rm | grub had problems with being placed on XFS |
| 22:00.55 | jim | do you have a sshable/telnetable serial console? |
| 22:01.00 | comp | jim: no |
| 22:01.19 | comp | it's not that important server |
| 22:01.27 | enouf | tomfmason: i would say, run update-pciids and then "/msg dpkg b43-fwcutter" perhaps (is your laptop new?) |
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| 22:02.51 | tomfmason | enouf: yeah it is pretty new |
| 22:03.00 | enouf | tomfmason: the update-pciids command will then show info in lspci output |
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| 22:03.37 | Terminus | hello. question, is security.debian.org getting hammered? aptitude update can't seem to get headers... |
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| 22:04.08 | tomfmason | it attempts to resolve pciids.sourceforge.net but I have no network connection |
| 22:04.22 | enouf | tomfmason: i'm guessing you need b43, rather than bcm43xx , but i'm not sure |
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| 22:04.40 | enouf | well, you're in a pickle :-P |
| 22:04.56 | abrotman | Terminus: its possible .. whats the error? |
| 22:05.41 | jim | tomfmason: if you run lspci -nn, you should see at or near the end of each line, sonethign like [xxxx:yyyy] |
| 22:05.45 | Terminus | abrotman: Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg Connection failed [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
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| 22:06.11 | abrotman | maybe that one is down? |
| 22:07.00 | Terminus | abrotman: hrmmm... should i try switching it to one of the IPs returned by host? |
| 22:07.11 | tomfmason | jim: I see 14e4:1713 for my the network card |
| 22:07.19 | tomfmason | the network card* |
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| 22:07.55 | abrotman | Terminus: you can .. or put it in /etc/hosts |
| 22:07.58 | jim | that might identify it for someone who knows how to interp, thanks for providing it |
| 22:08.11 | enouf | ~$ grep '14e4\ .*1713' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 22:08.22 | enouf | no result here, .. again |
| 22:08.25 | Terminus | abrotman: oh yeah... forgot about that one. thanks. |
| 22:08.40 | enouf | same as 14e4:4311 |
| 22:09.11 | Terminus | abrotman: guess it's not the server that's the problem. the host above returns my pings. |
| 22:09.22 | jim | what's each half? |
| 22:09.33 | abrotman | vendor:Device |
| 22:09.38 | jim | ahh |
| 22:09.40 | abrotman | Terminus: might be apache freaking out |
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| 22:13.34 | Terminus | abrotman: hrmmm... i'm guessing security.freebsd.org is not the problem. the mirror i'm using is freaking out too but i can get to it with a browser just fine. would running IPv6 on a LAN but the internet connection is on IPv4 be causing problems? my debian box has both an IPv4 and IPv6 address. |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | it's possible .. |
| 22:14.05 | abrotman | i don't have ipv6 stuffish |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | i'm a slacker |
| 22:14.39 | [xelent] | How do I get the command: export PS1="whatever" to always show up when i open a terminal window? |
| 22:14.49 | Terminus | gah... |
| 22:15.51 | jim | [xelent]: put it in a script file that's read on startup... to see a list of those, man bash, look for FILES section |
| 22:16.15 | kdag_ | what do i need to install to get bunzip? |
| 22:16.16 | jim | that will tell you what file is read when and under what conditions |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | bzip2 |
| 22:16.48 | abrotman | !tell kdag_ about search |
| 22:17.01 | Terminus | bah... fine... i'll try to update some other day... |
| 22:17.05 | kdag_ | tx, i was trying bzip, bunzip, etc |
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| 22:17.10 | [xelent] | jim: thanks, but I thought it there would be just a simple way |
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| 22:17.27 | jim | [xelent]: go look |
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| 22:17.49 | jim | that is the simple way |
| 22:18.00 | [xelent] | lol |
| 22:18.07 | MACscr | does Debian have a 1 cd install? I just want to try it out in virtualbox, but I don't want to download a whole cd |
| 22:18.16 | mhymn | jim: is there any problem if [xelent] put that in '.bashrc'? |
| 22:18.20 | MACscr | er, download a whole dvd I mean |
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| 22:18.41 | enouf | [xelent]: it is, he's just not spoon feeding you - so you can help yourself more in the future |
| 22:18.43 | jim | mhymn: dunno, depends on his setup and what he intends |
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| 22:19.11 | mhymn | jim: i'm just asking, i dunno too |
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| 22:19.35 | [xelent] | enouf: i know, just thought there were a simpler way, i'm not that big on using it, lol |
| 22:19.35 | enouf | mhymn: that's where mine are |
| 22:20.02 | jim | mhymn: why not try the same thing I suggested to [xelent]? |
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| 22:20.12 | tomfmason | I wonder if I could get my modem working and use a dialup connection to update-pciids |
| 22:20.35 | mhymn | jim: imho '.bashrc' is better |
| 22:20.40 | rm | MACscr, yes it does |
| 22:20.54 | enouf | ya know though, one small flaw perhaps, suppose he's using zsh - shouldn't he read man zsh ? |
| 22:21.11 | rm | MACscr, there are CD images (14 CDs i believe), and the programs are sorted by popularity, descending |
| 22:21.15 | jim | mhymn: I'm not understanding... what are you comparing .bashrc to? |
| 22:21.18 | loonyxp | jelly-home: thanks for the help, my mailman now works along with qmail! :) |
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| 22:21.35 | MACscr | rm: so what if I just want to install the base, but still have a gui? |
| 22:21.36 | rm | I believe the first CD is completely sufficient, and has all the most popular programs |
| 22:21.45 | MACscr | rm: thanks |
| 22:21.48 | rm | also, there are different variants of 1st CD |
| 22:21.52 | Terminus | oh joy... restarting the network on the debian box made it unreachable. |
| 22:21.57 | rm | -kde, for KDE desktop |
| 22:22.07 | jim | mhymn: stated more simply: you say: ".bashrc is better". OK, better than what? |
| 22:22.08 | rm | also maybe -xfce, but I am not sure |
| 22:22.23 | jelly-home | loonyxp, great |
| 22:22.24 | enouf | rm: yeah, only gnome |
| 22:22.34 | mhymn | jim: maybe i mean easier ;-) |
| 22:22.47 | enouf | rm: the dvd will have .. oh, now i see what you mean |
| 22:22.53 | jim | mhymn: stated more simply: you say: ".bashrc is easier". OK, easier than what? |
| 22:22.57 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 22:22.57 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 22:23.06 | enouf | variant cds , debian-kde, etc |
| 22:23.22 | abrotman | jim: quit being a tard |
| 22:23.37 | rm | yeah, KDE and XFCE are both available as alternatives: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:23.40 | jim | I'm trying to get him to think (as usual) |
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| 22:23.57 | abrotman | then don't .. leave it be .. he got a usable answer |
| 22:24.02 | mhymn | jim: nothing, i said i think and it is my opinion if he put that in '.bashrc' is easier, that's all! |
| 22:24.45 | rm | MACscr, but the link I gave is for "stable" distribution, which may contain a bit outdated software |
| 22:24.47 | jim | so you're making a comparison to nothing... .bashrc is easier than nothing... so it's harder than anything? |
| 22:25.18 | MACscr | rm, that's fine. I can always update it once its installed |
| 22:25.26 | abrotman | MACscr: use the stable netinst |
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| 22:25.30 | MACscr | I could care less about the programs on it. I really only want to install one of it |
| 22:25.38 | MACscr | netinstalls are a bitch IMHO |
| 22:25.39 | enouf | i hope you people have dates tonight O_o |
| 22:25.40 | mhymn | jim: than your way, i think |
| 22:25.42 | abrotman | MACscr: it's about 150MB .. and once you get the base system, you can download the rest via http |
| 22:25.55 | abrotman | enouf: you told me you were washing your hair! |
| 22:26.02 | jim | mhymn: please, go look at the FILES section of man bash; you will find a list of files bash reads, when it reads them and under what conditions |
| 22:26.03 | mhymn | jim: i'm not sure about that though, that's why i asked you |
| 22:26.06 | enouf | lies |
| 22:26.07 | abrotman | jim: stop already .. |
| 22:26.49 | MACscr | im downloading the cd1 iso at 1.5mb/s, so this should be fine |
| 22:26.55 | abrotman | MACscr: most of us do most of our installs with the netinst .. it's the same installer no matter which media you use .. it's just smaller, and has enough to give you a base system |
| 22:27.06 | [xelent] | is an idiot and needs tfm's spoon fed to him. |
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| 22:27.29 | enouf | mhymn: can't you see he's trying to teach somone something? (the other guy) and my answer should;ve sufficed anyway |
| 22:27.47 | enouf | !baby [xelent] |
| 22:27.49 | MACscr | abrotman: I've always found them to be be a pain, as trying to get the right url to work with them can be a headache. At least that's my experience with centos |
| 22:27.51 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 22:27.56 | [xelent] | hehe |
| 22:28.00 | abrotman | MACscr: centos sucks though :) |
| 22:28.15 | enouf | hehe .. rpm hell on wheels |
| 22:28.17 | MACscr | abrotman: correct, but im forced to use it on most of my servers |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | MACscr: the debian netinst is easy as pie! |
| 22:28.33 | abrotman | wait .. i don't know how to make pie |
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| 22:28.41 | jelly-home | ... a broccoli pie |
| 22:28.42 | MACscr | lol |
| 22:28.53 | abrotman | easy as crab cakes? |
| 22:29.18 | jim | I'm encouraging -both- of them to go see. in mhymn's case, I want him to back up his claim that it's actually easier, which he won't be able to do until he sees the section |
| 22:29.21 | ricosecada | How do I change the language of the debian version of webalizer? |
| 22:29.25 | omry_ | I have a problem with one of my boxes. it's a pentium D (dual core), and linux only uses one core. kernel 2.6.24. |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | jim: stop being pedantic already .. drop it |
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| 22:29.41 | MACscr | I wondering if I can test Xen on debian, when debian is being ran from within virtualbox =P |
| 22:29.54 | enouf | omry_: why do you think so? |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | MACscr: if the virtualbox "cpu" lets you i suppose |
| 22:30.05 | omry_ | enouf, htop only shows one cpu. |
| 22:30.27 | abrotman | omry_: uname -r .. show us |
| 22:30.31 | enouf | omry_: er ,.. try top and see the help - it can display both |
| 22:30.45 | omry_ | Linux home.firefang.net 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 00:37:55 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:31.05 | enouf | omry_: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i CPU |
| 22:31.10 | abrotman | omry_: did you turn of APIC ? |
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| 22:31.23 | abrotman | off |
| 22:31.25 | enouf | acpi too |
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| 22:31.56 | jelly-home | need more capi anagrams |
| 22:31.57 | The_Birdman | Hello guys how do I remove the first columns of a file? I believe I can do it with the cut command but I don't remember how |
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| 22:32.02 | jim | abrotman: ok, np, dropped... if either replies further here, I'll take it to msg (a reply would indicate desire to learn) |
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| 22:32.16 | omry_ | enouf, shows two here: http://yadan.net/omry/cpus |
| 22:32.20 | omry_ | abrotman, not that I know. |
| 22:32.27 | enouf | omry_: then they |
| 22:32.29 | abrotman | jim: he got two usable answers ... leave it be .. he got the functional and the educational .. you've done enough .. let it go |
| 22:32.33 | enouf | omry_: then they're working |
| 22:32.33 | jelly-home | The_Birdman, cut -f2- ? |
| 22:32.55 | omry_ | abrotman, I upgraded the system thought. same kernel used to run on Athlon before. |
| 22:33.06 | jim | probably you want cut -f2 -d-? |
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| 22:33.35 | omry_ | enouf, htop have always been reliable in this apect. |
| 22:33.40 | enouf | omry_: nice 64bit and supports hardware VT .. not many pentiumDs do |
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| 22:34.48 | omry_ | enouf, my new system is much nicer. :) |
| 22:34.49 | jelly-home | jim, that would only leave the second column, where cols are delimited by "-" |
| 22:35.04 | jim | oh, I didn't understand the 2-, got it |
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| 22:36.00 | philipo | hi all |
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| 22:36.06 | mhymn | this is a reply to jim to show him that i have desire to learn, teach me plz if you don't mind |
| 22:36.10 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 22:36.12 | abrotman | mhymn: stop |
| 22:36.15 | karmatronic | been a long time :) |
| 22:36.26 | abrotman | karmatronic: you were here the other day! |
| 22:36.32 | karmatronic | i was ? |
| 22:36.37 | philipo | indeed my... master |
| 22:36.38 | jim | mhymn: so do you want to take it to /msg? or a channel perhaps? |
| 22:36.40 | abrotman | is pretty sure |
| 22:36.45 | karmatronic | dont remember ...:) |
| 22:36.49 | omry_ | enouf, is there another way to be sure the system is using both cores? |
| 22:37.07 | jelly-home | !seen karmatronic |
| 22:37.07 | dpkg | karmatronic is currently on #debian (1m 4s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 22s, last said: 'dont remember ...:)'. |
| 22:37.12 | abrotman | not useful |
| 22:37.17 | karmatronic | ahah |
| 22:37.35 | karmatronic | anyway,long life to debian |
| 22:37.38 | jelly-home | he was here just a minute ago |
| 22:37.45 | philipo | master... ;) i am just on "man konqueror" ... but,... i cant find the command to tweak and get speed out of it |
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| 22:38.25 | philipo | already have tried --preload and ..--- |
| 22:40.27 | enouf | omry_: top .. likely others, but /proc/interrupts isn't, AFAIK, since APIC handles the routing.. is that a debian made kernel? |
| 22:40.50 | abrotman | /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 22:41.06 | enouf | no |
| 22:41.33 | abrotman | i'm asking how many cpus are there |
| 22:41.37 | omry_ | enouf, what I am looking for in the top output? yes, it's a debian kernel. |
| 22:41.38 | omry_ | abrotman, two. |
| 22:41.42 | enouf | cat /proc/interrupts usually lists both, but will show 0 for all on CPU1 |
| 22:41.44 | abrotman | then it's two! |
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| 22:42.19 | omry_ | abrotman, htop shown me two cores on this same cpu. |
| 22:42.22 | omry_ | (different machine) |
| 22:42.24 | enouf | abrotman: right - http://yadan.net/omry/cpus |
| 22:42.29 | jelly-home | omry_, if /proc/cpuinfo shows more than one cpu, then SMP is working |
| 22:42.36 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 22:42.45 | enouf | i dunno |
| 22:42.45 | omry_ | abrotman, that now its only showing one. |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | what is ? |
| 22:42.54 | omry_ | htop |
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| 22:43.06 | jelly-home | htop is configurable |
| 22:43.14 | abrotman | did you read the htop man page to see if it actually will show separate CPUs ? |
| 22:43.17 | enouf | try top <== 3rd time |
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| 22:43.23 | abrotman | atop ? |
| 22:43.30 | enouf | bebop? |
| 22:43.48 | abrotman | shoop shoop! |
| 22:43.58 | enouf | i know top can show atleast 2 .. might switch/toggle |
| 22:44.07 | jelly-home | abrotman, [htop] it will by default |
| 22:44.07 | enouf | shuffles |
| 22:44.08 | abrotman | enouf: depends on the version of debian |
| 22:44.14 | omry_ | abrotman, it does show. it shows two cpus on the box I am on now (core duo). and it did show two cpus for that other cpu. |
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| 22:44.33 | enouf | abrotman: ah, well .24 :-P |
| 22:44.39 | jelly-home | omry_, but...? |
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| 22:45.19 | enouf | jelly-home: his other box is a pentiumD |
| 22:45.37 | enouf | and not showing both in htop |
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| 22:45.50 | Cromag | !dk |
| 22:45.50 | dpkg | i heard dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | HT! |
| 22:46.00 | omry_ | I upgraded two boxes today. box A had pentium D. and box B had an old athlon. box A got a new core duo. box B got the pentium D. before the upgrade I saw two cores in htop for the Pentium D. after I moved the hardware to the system where the athlon used to be it only shows one. |
| 22:46.02 | enouf | :-O |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | cpu model numbers? |
| 22:46.48 | jelly-home | omry_, remove .htoprc, verify versions of htop are the same on both machines, run it again |
| 22:47.43 | jelly-home | omry_, this is just an application issue. if the kernel shows multiple cpus in /proc/cpuinfo, then that's what you have available |
| 22:47.52 | omry_ | jelly, that's it. |
| 22:48.07 | omry_ | funny thing is that I already did it. but I think htop was running so it rewrote the bad .htoprc |
| 22:48.23 | abrotman | that's a stupid app |
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| 22:48.50 | enouf | abrotman: diff HDD when moved to B ? |
| 22:48.51 | omry_ | abrotman, nah, it's okay. most apps write the conf when they shut down. |
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| 22:49.05 | omry_ | anyway, all is well. :) |
| 22:49.10 | abrotman | omry_: recording the number of CPUs to display is stupid |
| 22:49.15 | jelly-home | abrotman, but it has colors, and stuff! |
| 22:49.18 | enouf | abrotman: wonky Chipset and broken boot .. kind of scenario |
| 22:49.32 | omry_ | abrotman, it wasn't it. it was configured to show cpu(1) for some reason. |
| 22:49.35 | jelly-home | abrotman, top has two display modes as well fwiw |
| 22:49.41 | omry_ | a specific cpu. |
| 22:49.44 | abrotman | DUMB! |
| 22:49.53 | enouf | !agree |
| 22:49.58 | omry_ | abrotman, indeed. but not the default. |
| 22:50.02 | abrotman | DUMB! |
| 22:50.05 | omry_ | I must have done it accidentally once. |
| 22:50.11 | enouf | er .. I Agree! |
| 22:50.21 | omry_ | DUMP! |
| 22:50.27 | omry_ | good night guys. :) |
| 22:50.33 | enouf | doo bee doo bee doo |
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| 22:50.48 | MACscr | abrotman: you were right, debian does have a very easy netinstall version. im impressed |
| 22:50.57 | enouf | abrotman: atop? |
| 22:51.06 | enouf | dumb too? |
| 22:51.17 | abrotman | MACscr: see, i'm not crazy! |
| 22:51.24 | jelly-home | lies |
| 22:51.28 | karmatronic | MACscr: yeah netinstall is like best debian s tool |
| 22:51.40 | rm | if you have good internets |
| 22:51.49 | rm | (or a debian mirror in your LAN :) |
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| 22:52.03 | ipkaf | hi |
| 22:52.05 | ipkaf | i got 2.4 kernel how to upgrade it to 2.6 ??? |
| 22:52.24 | abrotman | which debian? |
| 22:52.42 | ipkaf | ubntu |
| 22:52.50 | zinx | ask in #ubuntu |
| 22:52.50 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
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| 22:53.01 | ipkaf | yes i prefer |
| 22:53.03 | ipkaf | her |
| 22:53.06 | ipkaf | e |
| 22:53.08 | zinx | abrotman: here i was expecting "sarge" or something... |
| 22:53.12 | ipkaf | the method is szmr |
| 22:53.14 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
| 22:53.15 | zinx | ipkaf: we don't spuport ubuntu here |
| 22:53.15 | ipkaf | same |
| 22:53.19 | zinx | ipkaf: the method is not the same. |
| 22:53.22 | ipkaf | don't worryt |
| 22:53.23 | abrotman | ipkaf: go to #ubuntu |
| 22:53.32 | ipkaf | just give an example |
| 22:53.38 | abrotman | ipkaf: go to #ubuntu |
| 22:53.43 | ipkaf | how to upgrade on debian ??? |
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| 22:53.57 | jacekowski | aptitude upgrade |
| 22:54.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@bgl93-3-82-230-208-124.fbx.proxad.net] by abrotman |
| 22:54.02 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | ipkaf: go to #ubuntu, we do not support Ubuntu here, or ask ##linux |
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| 22:54.24 | The_Birdman | hum I guess I didn't get the cut command... I would like to remove for example the first 4 columns of a file. How can I do it? |
| 22:54.32 | PhorceP | Are there versions of these that can be successfully applied to Debian kernel source? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/ck/patches/cks/ |
| 22:54.43 | zinx | ipkaf: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:54.48 | jacekowski | abrotman: btw. procedure is still same |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 22:55.03 | zinx | ipkaf: and don't blame me when that breaks your system, because it will |
| 22:55.08 | zinx | if it works at all. |
| 22:55.08 | jelly-home | The_Birdman, assuming the columns are tab separated, pipe the file thru cut -f5- |
| 22:55.10 | abrotman | zinx: it won't even work |
| 22:55.16 | zinx | abrotman: i figured |
| 22:55.19 | jacekowski | abrotman: yes it is |
| 22:56.17 | abrotman | jacekowski: this is not #ubuntu, we cannot say that it works.. there isn't even a supported version of debian with a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:56.24 | jelly-home | jacekowski, the procedure, on debian, would be "read the etch release notes" |
| 22:56.31 | abrotman | jacekowski: if you want to support him .. go to #ubuntu |
| 22:57.08 | jacekowski | i've already helped to many peoples for one day |
| 22:57.15 | abrotman | good .. then you'll stop |
| 22:57.33 | Tramp | The_Birdman: -f 5- |
| 22:57.57 | dondelelcaro | The_Birdman: info coreutils cut; for full details, iirc. |
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| 23:13.59 | The_Birdman | colrm did the job |
| 23:14.04 | beware | i cant get the proxy access to work in apache |
| 23:14.07 | beware | im allowing my IP |
| 23:17.38 | helo | it's quiet enough in here that one could get the impression that debanites have social lives |
| 23:18.23 | helo | drinking off the pain of the last week, no doubt :) |
| 23:18.34 | dendrite | helo: Heh. That was a PITA. |
| 23:18.38 | jim | that doesn't sound all that social |
| 23:18.41 | dendrite | Last two weeks, actually. |
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| 23:18.48 | dendrite | Two kernel updates... ssl... |
| 23:19.03 | helo | dendrite: don't forget ssl ;) |
| 23:19.17 | jim | oh yeah, and ssl! |
| 23:19.23 | dendrite | I didn't, and won't for a while. (re-read what I wrote. =) |
| 23:19.31 | helo | i did heh |
| 23:19.56 | dendrite | helo: OK, so maybe 42 ISN'T the answer to everything... |
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| 23:21.56 | jim | where is the info page for bash packaged? |
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| 23:22.24 | jim | I tried bash-doc, bash-nonfree-doc, bash-doc-nonfree |
| 23:22.43 | jim | !find bash.info |
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| 23:23.24 | rm | bash-doc - Documentation and examples for the The GNU Bourne Again SHell |
| 23:23.29 | rm | not there? |
| 23:23.32 | beware | what can be causing proxy to not work in apache, as in, i keep getting 403 errors |
| 23:23.36 | the | rm: you called? |
| 23:23.51 | rm | not really :P |
| 23:23.52 | jim | dendrite you'd have to add the universe and the meaning of life |
| 23:23.58 | beware | i enabled ProxyRequests, and i use a Proxy block |
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| 23:24.36 | peterS | jim: honestly I don't know, but bash, unlike a lot of FSF programs, has a pretty comprehensive and useful manpage |
| 23:25.01 | jim | it's missing some stuff that used to be in there |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:28.45 | abrotman | !flw |
| 23:28.45 | dpkg | i guess flw17 is <abrotman> WiFiTux: i think we've covered more than once english isn't your frist langauge |
| 23:29.09 | abrotman | :( |
| 23:29.12 | jelly-home | flw? |
| 23:29.15 | peterS | it is your frist langauge, abrotman? |
| 23:29.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:29.28 | jim | peterS: it's looking like the info page has been removed from debian |
| 23:29.38 | jelly-home | frists peterS lightly |
| 23:29.52 | peterS | you should frist the post |
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| 23:30.51 | jim | so does this get into fristing? |
| 23:31.17 | peterS | embleer frist |
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| 23:31.49 | abrotman | jim: i dont recall there ever being one |
| 23:32.08 | jim | abrotman: there was bash.info.gz in sarge |
| 23:32.28 | abrotman | copy of man page ? |
| 23:32.35 | jim | no |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | !find bash.info.gz sarge |
| 23:32.49 | abrotman | !find bash.info.gz etch |
| 23:32.51 | peterS | it's probably the abrot man page |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:33.01 | jim | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bash.info&mode=filename&suite=oldstable&arch=any |
| 23:33.10 | jelly-home | jim, possibly a victim of gfdl excision |
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| 23:33.19 | jelly-home | bash (3.1dfsg-6) unstable; urgency=low * Remove the texinfo documentation from the package. Closes: #357260. |
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| 23:33.31 | jim | so they got rid of anything gfdl from even non-free? |
| 23:33.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bash.info.gz' (1): (/usr/share/info/bash.info.gz) in doc/bash-doc. |
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| 23:33.36 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:33.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bash.info.gz' returned no results. |
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| 23:34.39 | abrotman | jim: i can't believe you didn't know it was gone .. you're useless |
| 23:35.09 | jim | nope, I can't fathom not having the definitive docs |
| 23:35.38 | jelly-home | jim, non-free is the new free! |
| 23:35.42 | tomfmason | man, this is really getting annoying... I can't get the network working because I need to update the nciids(I assume that will fix it) and I can't find pppconfig or wvdial on my debian dvds(for temp dialup access) |
| 23:35.52 | LeChacal | so i am trying to do a net install i think is what it was called and every mirror archive that i try comes back with not available. I download the install last night and it worked last night. what is up going on? |
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| 23:36.33 | jim | tomfmason: updating the pciids will only make lspci output look better |
| 23:36.38 | jim | what you need is the driver |
| 23:37.41 | abrotman | tomfmason: should be dvd1 |
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| 23:38.28 | tomfmason | abrotman: I tried apt-get install pppconfig and got Couldm |
| 23:38.44 | tomfmason | bah.. sorry hit enter instead of ' |
| 23:38.45 | abrotman | !find bin/pppconfig etch |
| 23:38.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/pppconfig' (1): (/usr/sbin/pppconfig) in admin/pppconfig. |
| 23:39.09 | tomfmason | ah |
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| 23:39.52 | tomfmason | no such file or directory |
| 23:40.24 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 23:40.24 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
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| 23:51.19 | Jav13r | my apt-get doesnt work. how can i get it to work ? |
| 23:51.59 | LeChacal | i cant install becasue it says all servers are down how can i fix that |
| 23:52.42 | mbroeker | Jav13r, paste the latest error on rafb.net/paste, Jav13r this can improve your change of getting assistance. |
| 23:53.25 | Jav13r | mbroeker: here is the error: -bash: apt-get: command not found |
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| 23:54.42 | mbroeker | Jav13r, what produces dpkg -L apt-get :) |
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| 23:55.10 | Jav13r | mbroeker: -bash: dpkg: command not found |
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| 23:55.30 | zinx | Jav13r: we only support debian here |
| 23:55.41 | Jav13r | zinx: im on backtrack |
| 23:55.55 | zinx | does not know what backtrack is |
| 23:55.58 | zinx | but we only support debian here |
| 23:56.21 | LeChacal | Backtracke is a secturty (hacker) boot disk of linux |
| 23:56.27 | Jav13r | hmm, i thought backtrack is debian as well.. |
| 23:56.53 | Jav13r | LeChacal: it just so happends im using it. im a newbie |
| 23:57.02 | zinx | no, even if it's based on debian, we only support debian here due to large differences in stuff that's based on debian |
| 23:57.05 | Jav13r | i like it's design :) |
| 23:57.14 | zinx | though i'll admit i've not yet seen something as large as lacking dpkg/apt :P |
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| 23:57.56 | LeChacal | Jav13r:being a new be i wouldnt start with that distro of linux, why not try debian or ubuntu |
| 23:57.58 | zinx | (note: we've got no problem with debian-based stuff, we just can't support it here) |
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| 23:58.49 | Jav13r | okay guys. thanks |
