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| 00:05.49 | Juventino | hello, i'm trying to get the WiFi to work on an HP laptop, it's an intel 3945 chipset |
| 00:05.54 | Juventino | is that possible on debian? |
| 00:06.02 | Juventino | cause the only firmware i can find are sid |
| 00:06.14 | Juventino | is* |
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| 00:06.58 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 00:06.58 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu> |
| 00:08.37 | Juventino | thnx abrotman |
| 00:09.02 | Juventino | <Juventino> iwlwifi |
| 00:09.02 | Juventino | [03:08] <dpkg> I give up, what is it?, Juventino |
| 00:09.03 | Juventino | ?! |
| 00:09.45 | Juventino | !iwlwifi |
| 00:09.59 | LeChacal | ok this is for real is there some reson why i can connect to any of the mirro archive servers anywhere i the world? |
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| 00:12.50 | abrotman | broken dns? |
| 00:12.57 | abrotman | proxy? |
| 00:13.01 | abrotman | firewall? |
| 00:13.25 | LeChacal | ok i am connecting direct to the internet with a static public ip address that has a working dns |
| 00:14.03 | Juventino | abrotman question, if i'm using a Debian's 2.6.23, can i still use the old method? |
| 00:14.23 | abrotman | doubt it |
| 00:14.28 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 00:14.31 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:14.35 | dpkg | salut |
| 00:14.42 | Juventino | no enteries for it.. |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | there was .. someone broke it |
| 00:15.03 | Juventino | :s |
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| 00:15.39 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 00:15.39 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. It is included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and the firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' (lenny/sid). See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945) Or ask in #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or ask me about <iwlwifi etch> <wireless tree> |
| 00:16.10 | Juventino | thnx |
| 00:16.25 | LeChacal | if i just skip downloading from the archive mirrors and i am using the 160mb net install disk what will i end with, i just need a booting pc that i can manully install a few packages on. |
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| 00:19.24 | sdubois92 | i am having trouble mounting a dvd. i have tried /dev/dvdrw dvd cdrom cdrw with udf and iso9660 |
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| 00:24.01 | Supaplex | sdubois92: if you issue eject /dev/dvdrw, does the drive eject the disc? if you're not sure which drive it is suppose to be, review syslogs or bootup messages, or consider hwinfo to detect it. |
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| 00:28.27 | sdubois92 | Supaplex: if you are here. both dvd and dvdrw work with eject |
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| 00:29.09 | WormFood | sdubois92, is it possible your dvd is bad? |
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| 00:31.28 | naudiz | What's better on x86_64 Gnash or Swfdec ? |
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| 00:35.47 | abrotman | !flw |
| 00:35.47 | dpkg | <spldart> been overclocking for years <pipeline> spldart: You've probably been an idiot since birth. The length of time involved isn't really the point. < spldart> this machine is 24/7 overclock for 3 years |
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| 00:37.02 | Samonoske | whenever i try to execute a php script in my webbrowser on my server..it tries to download..this happed after trying to setup suPHP |
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| 00:41.19 | alaya__ | Samonoske: check AddType setting in apache conf |
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| 00:50.44 | esaym | what do I need to do to get /proc/net/ip_conntrack in etch? |
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| 00:51.58 | abrotman | Samonoske: clear browser cache , restart browswer , try again |
| 00:52.36 | jim | esaym: that sounds like part of iptables, which is in the kernel |
| 00:53.11 | esaym | I got iptables installed, but /proc/net/ip_conntrack is not there |
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| 00:53.42 | jim | what's your uname -r |
| 00:53.42 | Dewi | abrotman: is flw funny loser of the week? |
| 00:54.01 | abrotman | famous last words |
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| 00:54.07 | Dewi | abrotman: aah |
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| 00:54.17 | abrotman | conntrack isnt in the debian kernels |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | !flw |
| 00:54.25 | abrotman | :( |
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| 00:54.29 | abrotman | !flw |
| 00:54.34 | abrotman | yay? |
| 00:54.46 | jim | oh? would he have to rebuild to get it? |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | i think so |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | check the config |
| 00:55.26 | Dewi | !flw |
| 00:55.27 | dpkg | i heard flw16 is < try_catch_this> because command line should stay back in the days of dos |
| 00:55.34 | esaym | jim: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 00:55.42 | Dewi | abrotman: probably throttling because I am flw'ing in query... :P |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | nah |
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| 00:59.00 | jim | esaym: could you pastebin the result of... grep CONNTRACK /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 00:59.06 | Samonoske | abrotman that still didn't work |
| 00:59.19 | abrotman | is it public? |
| 01:00.00 | abrotman | Samonoske: you did install the php5 apache stuff right? |
| 01:00.21 | Juventino | abrotman got a min? |
| 01:00.27 | Juventino | or anyone.. lol |
| 01:00.31 | abrotman | just ask |
| 01:00.32 | Samonoske | abrotman yep |
| 01:00.32 | Juventino | i got the firmware.. |
| 01:00.36 | Juventino | and it's working |
| 01:00.48 | Juventino | but now, it can't detect the network.. |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | Samonoske: to which? |
| 01:00.51 | esaym | jim: modprobe ip_conntrack got it! |
| 01:01.14 | jim | aha, so the module had to be there first |
| 01:01.28 | Samonoske | abrotman both |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | Samonoske: url? |
| 01:02.15 | Samonoske | http://67.38.29.49/info.php |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | Samonoske: dpkg -l *php* . pastebin it |
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| 01:04.11 | PhrkOnLsh | hi, when I boot from GRUB I get "Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory" why is that? |
| 01:04.45 | PhrkOnLsh | It's very strange; I have two menu items that use the same kernel and initrd, but different arguemnts. one boots one doesn't |
| 01:04.47 | jim | when you boot what? |
| 01:04.57 | PhrkOnLsh | debian lenny, kernel 2.6.24-1 |
| 01:05.00 | PhrkOnLsh | -686 |
| 01:05.14 | jim | ok, what arguments to each? |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | older kernels? |
| 01:05.24 | PhrkOnLsh | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=792 |
| 01:05.27 | PhrkOnLsh | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 01:05.29 | PhrkOnLsh | faisl |
| 01:05.33 | PhrkOnLsh | fails, rather |
| 01:05.40 | PhrkOnLsh | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro single |
| 01:05.41 | PhrkOnLsh | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 01:05.42 | PhrkOnLsh | works |
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| 01:06.19 | jim | how much ram you have? |
| 01:06.24 | PhrkOnLsh | 2GB |
| 01:06.24 | Samonoske | abrotman http://pastebin.com/d955d27c |
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| 01:06.37 | punkass | is it considered rude to email a debian package maintainer and ask them politely to update a package? a dep to something i am trying to use is extremely out of date and i think it is causing my program to fail |
| 01:06.39 | PhrkOnLsh | my vmlinuz is 1.4MB and my initrd.img is 1.2MB |
| 01:06.46 | jim | that should be plenty |
| 01:06.52 | PhrkOnLsh | mm, but it isn't :) |
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| 01:07.11 | jim | what if you boot single but then hit ctrld |
| 01:07.44 | PhrkOnLsh | http://pastebin.ca/1021470 ,-- /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | Samonoske: a2enmod php5 .. restart apache |
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| 01:08.27 | abrotman | punkass: bts? |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | punkass: which package? |
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| 01:10.41 | punkass | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474631 |
| 01:10.57 | Samonoske | abrotman i'm sorry i'm such a n00b. Please forgive me. |
| 01:11.03 | Samonoske | and thank you |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | Samonoske: got it? |
| 01:11.13 | jim | try getting rid of: vga=792 |
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| 01:11.28 | jim | that seems to be the only difference |
| 01:11.43 | PhrkOnLsh | Kay. |
| 01:11.46 | abrotman | punkass: that bug is only a month old |
| 01:11.50 | punkass | http://search.cpan.org/dist/IO-Socket-SSL/ it is at 1.13 now and debian is using 0.96 to 1.02 |
| 01:11.57 | PhrkOnLsh | reboot... brb |
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| 01:12.03 | Samonoske | abrotman yes it worked. |
| 01:12.11 | punkass | closer to 2 months than one |
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| 01:12.16 | abrotman | punkass: you could appemnd hte bug and ask how new packages are progressing |
| 01:13.20 | punkass | ah it is closer to 1 month, still very old software though |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | same comment as above |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | or suggest an nmu perhaps |
| 01:14.09 | punkass | i know, just correcting myself |
| 01:14.59 | helo | massimo: afaik, amarok plans to have a flexible plugin framework that will support all kinds of features... i doubt the standard release will support DJ specific functionality though... i might be wrong |
| 01:15.01 | helo | doh |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:17.12 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: it made no difference |
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| 01:18.51 | abrotman | punkass: yeah .. i'd append it i guess |
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| 01:20.00 | abrotman | punkass: he hasn't blogged since 10/2006 |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | not thayt blogging is a great metric |
| 01:21.57 | punkass | abrotman: is there an easy way to check for the last package maintaining activity? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | punkass: momeny |
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| 01:24.00 | PhrkOnLsh | any idea why this is not working when I'm not running in single user mode? It's kinda inconvienent :) |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=rafl@debian.org |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:25.24 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: try removing the vga= thing |
| 01:25.30 | jim | that;'s the difference |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | not sure if there's a better pkace or not |
| 01:25.47 | abrotman | place |
| 01:26.07 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: It's not made any difference; still didn'tboot. |
| 01:26.28 | Dewi | is there any way to reattach processes if 'fg' doesn't work? |
| 01:26.31 | jim | what if you boot single but then hit ctrld |
| 01:26.33 | Dewi | I sigHUP'd something and it didn't die |
| 01:26.49 | Dewi | and now I can't interact with it |
| 01:26.59 | itomato | Dewi - what does 'jobs' show? |
| 01:27.11 | Dewi | itomato: empty |
| 01:27.23 | punkass | abrotman: i dont think i see any dates there |
| 01:27.24 | itomato | does it still have a pid? |
| 01:27.42 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: I guess I can, but taht seems awfully inelegant. Why not just reinstall windows? ;) |
| 01:27.47 | Dewi | itomato: no, the front process died but others are waiting user input |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | punkass: right .. but each package has dates |
| 01:28.01 | Dewi | itomato: I tried to kill tasksel during the downloading phase |
| 01:28.06 | Dewi | itomato: but it just detached |
| 01:28.12 | Dewi | itomato: and now it's in the debconf phase |
| 01:28.38 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: but my question was, what happens when you do that? |
| 01:28.41 | Dewi | I was expecting a preview like aptitude would give me :( |
| 01:29.18 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: same, error 28 |
| 01:29.33 | jim | so it turns out none of them work? |
| 01:29.36 | PhrkOnLsh | "Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory" |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | punkass: you could also voplunteer to be the new maintainer :) |
| 01:29.47 | PhrkOnLsh | oh oh, for single+ctrld |
| 01:29.59 | PhrkOnLsh | that's what I'm at now, sorry (thought you meant knocking vga= off) |
| 01:30.07 | jim | yeah, I know it's inelegant, but my question is does it work |
| 01:30.10 | PhrkOnLsh | single works with ctrld |
| 01:30.12 | PhrkOnLsh | yes |
| 01:30.38 | jim | ok, so when you take off the vga=, what is the kernel line? |
| 01:30.43 | itomato | Dewi - there's probably a child process that jumped the tracks - try some 'ps -ef | grep' magic |
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| 01:30.59 | punkass | abrotman: i would if i thought i was qualified, im just trying to write a simple program with Net::SMTP::SSL, but im not much of a coder |
| 01:31.02 | PhrkOnLsh | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 01:31.04 | Dewi | itomato: yeah there is aptitude and whiptail etc |
| 01:31.10 | Dewi | itomato: any way to reattach to them? |
| 01:31.12 | PhrkOnLsh | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 01:31.25 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: so there's a space there :) |
| 01:31.32 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, of course :) |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | punkass: apparently he's not qualified either :) |
| 01:31.45 | jim | so it's the difference between single and not single |
| 01:31.59 | PhrkOnLsh | jm: it appears so, which just seems wierd |
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| 01:32.11 | jim | yeah, that seems weird... |
| 01:32.25 | jim | is this a new machine? |
| 01:32.25 | itomato | Dewi - probably not - but if they are still running (i.e., not defunct or zombied) they should be ok |
| 01:32.35 | Dewi | itomato: they are waiting for user input |
| 01:32.48 | Dewi | itomato: I'm just going to have to HUP them one by one |
| 01:32.50 | jim | had it worked before and stopped? |
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| 01:32.55 | itomato | Dewi - probably so - yep |
| 01:32.55 | Dewi | itomato: and hope debconf doesn't mess up too badly |
| 01:33.02 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: it's been running lenny nicely for about 3 months; I tried toying with splashy (I backed up my initrd first; and restored it since) but uninstalled it |
| 01:33.09 | itomato | Dewi - you can clean up after debconf |
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| 01:33.30 | Dewi | itomato: how? |
| 01:33.42 | Dewi | itomato: I don't even know which packages are involved |
| 01:33.57 | itomato | dpkg-reconfigure on necessary packages. they'll show up if you try and update/install anything |
| 01:34.01 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: what was the result and some of the hilites of the history of your play with splashy |
| 01:34.33 | Dewi | hmm |
| 01:34.36 | Dewi | aptitude just won't die |
| 01:34.40 | Dewi | I don't want to KILL it |
| 01:34.55 | PhrkOnLsh | When I installed it things went somewaht nicely, except splashy would hang at about 95% of boot, not even F2 would kick it to console. it hung for about 12 hours when I fell asleep :) I reboot and toyed with it all day, installing it about 4 hours ago |
| 01:34.58 | Dewi | HUP and TERM do nothing |
| 01:35.00 | jim | itz ALIVEEE! |
| 01:35.04 | itomato | Dewi - aptitude is probably zombied |
| 01:35.06 | abrotman | Dewi: did you bg it? |
| 01:35.18 | PhrkOnLsh | uninstalling it about 4 hours ago* |
| 01:35.23 | Dewi | abrotman: I HUP'd tasksel and the processes behind just won't die |
| 01:35.38 | itomato | Dewi: defunct child procs will do that |
| 01:35.41 | PhrkOnLsh | since then, I've been trying to recover my initrd, using my backup, update-initramfs, yaird, damn near anthing |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:35.46 | Dewi | abrotman: I wanted to abort it, tasksel ignores INT and zombies on HUP |
| 01:35.50 | PhrkOnLsh | and have distilled it down to this |
| 01:36.01 | Dewi | abrotman: because I remembered how much I hate it installing exim4 |
| 01:36.33 | Dewi | abrotman: need a new task, 'standard without exim4' |
| 01:36.37 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | just kill it |
| 01:36.44 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: cd /boot ; ls -C > ~/f |
| 01:36.55 | jim | then pastebin ~/f |
| 01:37.29 | Dewi | abrotman: I've finally killed it all now... it spawns a lot of stuff and most of it doesn't respond to signals |
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| 01:37.38 | PhrkOnLsh | http://pastebin.ca/1021497, jim |
| 01:37.47 | itomato | Dewi - run 'pstree' |
| 01:38.02 | itomato | ...if it happens again |
| 01:38.07 | Dewi | itomato: I did |
| 01:38.34 | Dewi | it's just odd that it was somehow simultaneously writing to my terminal |
| 01:38.35 | jim | could you do it once more, this time, do... |
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| 01:38.38 | Dewi | and I couldn't close my terminal |
| 01:38.48 | Dewi | but I also couldn't actually interact with the processes |
| 01:38.50 | Dewi | or reattach them |
| 01:38.54 | itomato | is skeptical of apitude and dselect |
| 01:38.58 | jim | ls -ldA > ~/f |
| 01:39.10 | Dewi | itomato: aptitude is fantastic |
| 01:39.11 | jim | wait, no d |
| 01:39.15 | jim | sorry |
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| 01:40.02 | PhrkOnLsh | http://pastebin.ca/1021500, jim |
| 01:40.39 | Dewi | why is tasksel so screwy? Why hide things like 'standard' after installation? |
| 01:40.40 | Dewi | fumes. |
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| 01:40.45 | itomato | it seems to me that aptitude is similar to a "drive by wire" system, whereby you don't actually control the accelerator or steering. |
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| 01:41.22 | Dewi | itomato: aptitude gives the *most* control, it's tasks that lock you into a previewless installation and doesn't respond to signals or clean up its zombines |
| 01:41.25 | Dewi | zombies |
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| 01:41.28 | Dewi | (mmm zombines) |
| 01:41.47 | liable | tasty |
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| 01:42.27 | itomato | Dewi, it seems to be that it's the control over the tasks that you don't have with aptitude and similar, but that's just my experience/opinion |
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| 01:43.16 | itomato | ...and not really a factor. |
| 01:43.40 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: on a superstitious guess, could you mv init ~ then try again... |
| 01:43.41 | jim | also |
| 01:43.41 | Dewi | blinks |
| 01:43.47 | Dewi | tasksel just installed openssh-server?! |
| 01:43.51 | Dewi | now that's odd |
| 01:44.06 | Dewi | hey have there been two updates to openssh-server in the last few days? |
| 01:44.07 | PhrkOnLsh | mv init ~/ ...? |
| 01:44.10 | PhrkOnLsh | don't I need that? |
| 01:44.22 | jim | what's it for? |
| 01:44.32 | PhrkOnLsh | I kinda figured it was the brains of the operation :) |
| 01:44.58 | Dewi | jim: ... |
| 01:45.01 | PhrkOnLsh | from what it looks like (i'm not 100% master of reading sh scripts) it starts all of the /etc/init.d stuff |
| 01:45.05 | jim | you can always move it back |
| 01:45.11 | Dewi | init is kind of important, guys |
| 01:45.15 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, if i can boot :) |
| 01:45.22 | Dewi | it's the parent of *all processes* |
| 01:45.28 | jim | dewi: does it go in /boot? |
| 01:45.38 | Dewi | initrd does |
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| 01:45.41 | Dewi | but that's totally different |
| 01:45.52 | Dewi | init is not in /boot |
| 01:45.55 | PhrkOnLsh | should my init be in /boot? |
| 01:45.57 | AwesomeGuy | does mounting cd1 or whatever work if it's a dvd you put into the drive |
| 01:46.03 | PhrkOnLsh | where does it go, Dewi ? |
| 01:46.07 | Dewi | I have no idea where it goes |
| 01:46.08 | itomato | PhrkOnLsh - should be in /sbin |
| 01:46.12 | AwesomeGuy | because I can't get my laptop to play this dvd |
| 01:46.19 | Dewi | aah yeah there it is, under /sbin |
| 01:46.21 | jim | don't move it there tho! |
| 01:46.29 | PhrkOnLsh | mm, it is in /sbin already |
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| 01:46.35 | Dewi | AwesomeGuy: yeah DVDs are just bigger CDs |
| 01:46.37 | PhrkOnLsh | /boot/init is some sort of shell script. |
| 01:46.38 | jim | move the one in /boot to ~ |
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| 01:46.59 | PhrkOnLsh | and then reboot? |
| 01:47.02 | Dewi | AwesomeGuy: apart from inside the hardware, obviously |
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| 01:47.33 | itomato | PhrkOnLsh - I'm just wondering.. You have an 'init' in /boot? |
| 01:47.40 | jim | Dewi: what does "..." mean? |
| 01:48.14 | jim | isn't that the dir hackers make to hide things in? |
| 01:48.15 | PhrkOnLsh | itomato: yeah, some shell script thinger |
| 01:49.22 | jim | itomato: I don't expect much joy here, but when I saw that, I wanted to see if it had an effect |
| 01:50.01 | PhrkOnLsh | jim, reboot? |
| 01:50.07 | itomato | it shouldn't have any effect - nothing should be calling 'init' from /boot.. It *will* call it from /sbin, however.. |
| 01:50.11 | jim | yeah, try again |
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| 01:50.17 | PhrkOnLsh | kay, brb |
| 01:50.26 | Dewi | jim: I think I misunderstood what you were doing |
| 01:50.47 | Dewi | jim: personally when things get like that I just pull the plug, grab a blank filesys and reinstall |
| 01:50.58 | Dewi | grins. |
| 01:51.08 | jim | itomato: that's what I'm thinking too, but right now trying to eliminate differences between the working line and the non |
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| 01:51.16 | itomato | diff will do that |
| 01:51.18 | jim | oh, I just had a thought |
| 01:51.55 | itomato | ..but I have no idea what's going on. I'm going to remain an observer. |
| 01:51.56 | jim | yeah but it won't actually run the boot process and produce a useful result for this case |
| 01:51.57 | Dewi | I wish I had a thought. It's like /dev/zero in there |
| 01:52.31 | jim | it's just like Curly, "Hey! I tried to think! But nuthin happened!" |
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| 01:54.58 | jim | the next thing is, one of those initrd images is 4 times as big as the other |
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| 01:55.27 | jim | then after or before that, I want to test the existing working line without the single in it |
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| 01:57.22 | BubbaT | Hey I'm trying to setup a firewall/router. Everything seems to be working except DNS lookups, can someone suggest a good sniffer that will let me see DNS only stuff? |
| 01:57.31 | itomato | wireshark |
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| 01:58.50 | abrotman | BubbaT: did you allow ESTABLISHED,RELATED ? and port 53 tcp and 53 udp ? |
| 01:59.24 | PhrkOnLsh | jim, ne vas pas, but I have to go |
| 01:59.39 | PhrkOnLsh | Some family go to the movie bullshit |
| 01:59.51 | PhrkOnLsh | 3:54 ( jim) the next thing is, one of those initrd images is 4 times as big as the other |
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| 01:59.57 | BubbaT | abrotman, I'm using shorewall. The ports are open. My net connection is DHCP, and on the firewall DNS works fine and it uses the DSL modem as it's nameserver. |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | BubbaT: you're sure you're passing udp and tcp ? |
| 02:00.24 | PhrkOnLsh | That is because one is generated by yaird, which is supposedly more... frugal about what modules it dumps in the initrd. the other one is update-initramfs's doing. |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | !info dnsmasq etch |
| 02:00.27 | dpkg | dnsmasq: (A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.35-1 (etch), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 580 kB |
| 02:00.29 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: bot one more suggestion |
| 02:00.33 | jim | got |
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| 02:00.42 | ^]] | BubbaT: do you have a policy allowing fw to net traffic ? |
| 02:00.43 | PhrkOnLsh | jim, kay |
| 02:00.58 | jim | take the existing kernel line with "single" |
| 02:01.14 | jim | and edit out the word "single" and try booting that once |
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| 02:01.38 | jim | if that doesn't work we know it's the difference between single and not-single |
| 02:01.54 | jim | if it does work there's another difference |
| 02:01.56 | BubbaT | I'm not sure about ESTABLISHED and RELATED because they are "under the surface" I am passing both tcp and udp. |
| 02:02.04 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, jim, I will do that when I return. if you are asleep whence I return I will catch you later, or post to a deb mailing list |
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| 02:02.34 | jim | ok, good enough... come back to say what you found |
| 02:02.45 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks for the help jim |
| 02:02.45 | apt | PhrkOnLsh: my pleasure |
| 02:02.56 | PhrkOnLsh | Uhm? |
| 02:02.58 | PhrkOnLsh | gone |
| 02:03.50 | BubbaT | ^]], My default is to reject all traffic to net. I have rules opening various sockets. |
| 02:04.41 | ^]] | so try to log.info every policy and rule relevant, also the accept |
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| 02:04.52 | ^]] | from 53/udp to all2all |
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| 02:05.21 | ^]] | also, installing dnsutils gives dig, a powerful dns troubleshooting tool |
| 02:05.27 | Dewi | DNS can use TCP or UDP, depending on... not sure |
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| 02:05.44 | ^]] | you can assume libc will use udp |
| 02:05.45 | Dewi | 'dig +trace' or 'dig @server' are invaluable, yeah |
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| 02:10.22 | Dewi | "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: postfix is broken or not fully installed" |
| 02:10.29 | Dewi | oh that is *very* rude of tasksel |
| 02:10.56 | Dewi | it also uninstalls stuff! |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | fix ir |
| 02:11.50 | abrotman | it |
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| 02:12.53 | ^]] | lol |
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| 02:13.23 | ^]] | better than "postfix is broken, but qmail sucks" |
| 02:14.04 | ^]] | nite |
| 02:14.16 | Dewi | ^]]: what I'm saying is that 'sudo tasksel install standard' uninstalls postfix |
| 02:14.24 | ^]] | ouch |
| 02:14.37 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:14.39 | Dewi | I realised when it was still downloading, but it ignored ctrl-c |
| 02:14.46 | Dewi | and INT caused it to detach but continue |
| 02:14.52 | Dewi | er, HUP that is |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | !info exim4 etch |
| 02:14.54 | dpkg | exim4: (metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation), section mail, is standard. Version: 4.63-17 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 02:15.21 | Dewi | abrotman: shouldn't there be an mta metapackage or something? |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | there is |
| 02:15.41 | Dewi | abrotman: I *like* having standard; except for that one detail |
| 02:15.45 | ^]] | normally is mail-transport-agent |
| 02:15.53 | Dewi | abrotman: so why not making mail-transport-agent the standard priority package? |
| 02:15.54 | ^]] | implemented identically but either |
| 02:16.04 | Dewi | -ing+e |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | aptitude install ~pS exim- postfix ? |
| 02:16.19 | ^]] | nite, nite |
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| 02:16.26 | Dewi | abrotman: that doesn't seem to work |
| 02:16.37 | Dewi | abrotman: that's what I tried first |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | Dewi: so let's fix wat is broken |
| 02:17.36 | Dewi | abrotman: it's okay, I can fix it... I'm just wondering why the defaults are this way |
| 02:17.52 | Dewi | (provided I haven't borked debconf too badly) |
| 02:18.03 | abrotman | because exim is standard .. that's what you installed |
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| 02:19.35 | keila | say you use apt-get build-dep to get the dependencies, then build, then wanna remove those no-longer needed build dependencies. is there a way to do that? |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | no |
| 02:19.46 | keila | awesome |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:19.59 | Dewi | keila: make a build server in a VM |
| 02:20.06 | Dewi | keila: or a chroot |
| 02:20.18 | keila | Dewi: that's actually a good idea :P thanks |
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| 02:37.58 | heatman | to get access to phpmyadmin via inter net u just type: domainename/phpmyadmin right? |
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| 02:39.34 | erpo | heatman: That depends on the directory where it's installed. Usually phpmyadmin, but you might encounter capitalization problems. |
| 02:40.14 | heatman | hmmm k |
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| 02:42.28 | heatman | any update required for it because its installed but cant access it |
| 02:44.16 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it available the faarsight2 pkg for lenny? |
| 02:44.58 | abrotman | !search |
| 02:44.59 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 02:51.44 | heatman | the info regarding phpmyadmin, so that apache2 can redirect to the correct place, is contained in which file? |
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| 02:54.58 | psycodad | sorry, this might sound like a completely pointless question but i just don't understand it: why should I configure different hostnames in /etc/sudoers ? Thats only useful if I use the file globally over many machines, right ? |
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| 02:59.26 | RockerMONO | when i run screen, if i press backspace it acts like an odd combination of escape and middle-clicking with the mouse... how would i fix this? |
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| 03:01.09 | palomer__ | hello |
| 03:01.09 | apt | hola, palomer__ |
| 03:01.19 | palomer__ | where can I find gpatch? |
| 03:01.33 | palomer__ | godi says it needs it, but apt-cache doesn't know about it |
| 03:01.46 | jim | palomer__: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:02.22 | jim | oh, ok, pastebin the output of... |
| 03:02.23 | palomer__ | <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:03.20 | palomer__ | jim, of what? |
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| 03:03.41 | jim | this: dpkg -s godi |
| 03:04.15 | palomer__ | err, godi is something I downloaded |
| 03:04.17 | palomer__ | it's not in apt |
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| 03:04.22 | palomer__ | but I need gpatch to install it |
| 03:04.29 | palomer__ | which I can't find |
| 03:04.44 | RockerMONO | are there any known issues with the backspace key not working properly in screen, but fine otherwise? |
| 03:04.46 | jim | oh, is gpatch in debian? |
| 03:05.36 | jim | check google for gpatch and for godi |
| 03:06.10 | palomer__ | google doesn't know much about it |
| 03:06.36 | jim | that would be all I have |
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| 03:12.23 | jeffno | Has anybody experience Firefox being sluggish after updating testing recently? |
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| 03:15.58 | dragonheart | jeffno: is OCSP or google smartbrowsing enabled? |
| 03:16.28 | dragonheart | try a packet capture and see where the slow point is (if its network) |
| 03:17.08 | jeffno | I'll have to check the settings for OCSP or smartbrowsing, but the slow part is when I restore the window |
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| 03:17.45 | jeffno | there's a noticable delay when it repaints the url panel |
| 03:18.05 | dragonheart | every site or just 1? |
| 03:18.17 | jeffno | no sites, even on a blank page |
| 03:18.31 | jeffno | maybe like 1/2 a second |
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| 03:19.51 | dragonheart | thats odd. im out of ideas |
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| 03:20.05 | jeffno | ok, thanks anyways |
| 03:20.12 | jeffno | are you running testing? |
| 03:22.07 | dragonheart | nope -still largely on stable systems |
| 03:22.11 | snuggles` | how can i check which proces uses my cdrom, i can't seem to open it or umount it |
| 03:22.31 | jim | man lsof |
| 03:22.39 | Ryan52 | How do I go about troubleshooting squirrelmail? I copied the configs from an old sarge system (this is etch). and it says unknown user or password incorrect. Though it works fine through the sarge system. and it appears to be working on this system. Is there a log or something? |
| 03:23.16 | jim | Ryan52: howbout the web server error log |
| 03:23.22 | Ryan52 | nothing there |
| 03:23.43 | Ryan52 | well..theres only the expected stuff |
| 03:23.58 | snuggles` | jim: well lsof | grep hdd doesn't return anything :/ |
| 03:24.40 | jim | so there is no string "hdd" in the output of lsof |
| 03:24.53 | snuggles` | oh nevermind thanks jim |
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| 03:27.04 | Ryan52 | ah...configtest.php |
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| 03:27.51 | Ryan52 | no...that looks okay-ish. (there errors but it said it was fine.) |
| 03:29.29 | heatman | when trying to access phpmyadmin i get the following: You don't have permission to access /phpmyadmin on this server.. could it be due to the fact that i use another port other than 80? |
| 03:29.46 | Ryan52 | heatman: is that readable by www-data? |
| 03:30.02 | Ryan52 | heatman: that being /var/www/phpmyadmin (or wherever it lives) |
| 03:30.22 | heatman | Ryan52: yeah its locate there... what about it? |
| 03:30.22 | Ryan52 | heatman: and by readable, I mean readable and executable :P |
| 03:30.43 | Ryan52 | heatman: can the user www-data read and execute it? |
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| 03:32.01 | heatman | Ryan52: oh... euh well yes.... since i configure apache for multiple websites on same server, phpmyadmin does not work... so i added an extra subdomain/virtualhost where i indicated that the rootdirectory was /var/www/phpmyadmin... maybe i should do it differently |
| 03:32.49 | Ryan52 | heatman: you dont get my question. paste the output of `ls -ld /var/www/ | awk '{print $1 " " $3 " " $4}'` |
| 03:33.07 | heatman | Ryan52: by default it should but sec |
| 03:33.16 | Ryan52 | heatman: no, wait. paste the output of `ls -ld /var/www/phpmyadmin | awk '{print $1 " " $3 " " $4}'` |
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| 03:34.51 | heatman | lrwxrwxrwxroot4 |
| 03:35.33 | Ryan52 | heatman: its a link. what does that point to and check its permissions? |
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| 03:35.40 | Ryan52 | s/?/./ |
| 03:36.30 | poseidon | How do I update lenny? |
| 03:36.33 | heatman | Ryan52: well its just the default install... havent touch anything... how can i tell where the link points to never done that before |
| 03:36.38 | Ryan52 | poseidon: update to lenny? |
| 03:36.51 | poseidon | Ryan52, does lenny get updates? |
| 03:37.02 | Ryan52 | heatman: 'ls -l /var/www/phpmyadmin' and you will see an arrow to the place |
| 03:37.06 | Ryan52 | poseidon: yes, lots |
| 03:37.24 | Ryan52 | poseidon: do you have mirrors added to your sources.list? |
| 03:37.49 | poseidon | Ryan52, yes |
| 03:38.03 | Ryan52 | poseidon: then you will get updates. (as long as you install them...) |
| 03:38.17 | heatman | Ryan52: |
| 03:38.41 | heatman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2008-03-09 20:17 /var/www/phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 03:38.42 | poseidon | Ryan52, how do I install them? apt-get update only updates the package lists right? |
| 03:38.54 | heatman | drwxr-xr-xroot4 |
| 03:38.59 | wols_ | poseidon: yes. apt-get install, apt-get upgrade, etc |
| 03:39.04 | Ryan52 | so /usr/share/phpmyadmin is where it actually is. look at `ls -l /usr/share/phpmyadmin` |
| 03:39.11 | Ryan52 | heatman: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:39.17 | Ryan52 | heatman: oops |
| 03:39.24 | Ryan52 | poseidon: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:39.54 | Ryan52 | heatman: look at `ls -ld /usr/share/phpmyadmin` |
| 03:40.00 | sandman | Should I report a bug about something as simple as a mispelling? |
| 03:40.02 | poseidon | Ryan52, thats how I update lenny? I thought that was for going from etch->lenny or lenny->sid? |
| 03:40.07 | Ryan52 | sandman: yes |
| 03:40.22 | heatman | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2008-05-17 22:45 /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ |
| 03:40.25 | Ryan52 | poseidon: it will install upgrade and remove/install extra packages if it needs to |
| 03:40.33 | Ryan52 | heatman: that fine then... |
| 03:40.41 | sandman | Roger dodger Red Rider. |
| 03:41.06 | heatman | Ryan52: so instead of pointing to link i should point to real directory with my virtualhost setting? |
| 03:41.16 | Ryan52 | heatman: no. thats fine. |
| 03:41.20 | wols_ | poseidon: then use only upgrade |
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| 03:41.43 | heatman | Ryan52: aye but when i try to access it from web i get forbidden access |
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| 03:41.56 | sandman | Is anyone here paid to be here? |
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| 03:42.03 | sandman | Or is it 100% volunteer? |
| 03:42.04 | Ryan52 | heatman: check /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 03:42.14 | Ryan52 | sandman: volunteer |
| 03:42.16 | wols_ | sandman: all volunteers |
| 03:42.47 | wols_ | debian itself is fully volunterr based. no one got money from debian to work on it |
| 03:42.54 | heatman | Ryan52: Symbolic link not allowed |
| 03:43.09 | Rusty1 | wols aptitude a better choice for poseidon ? |
| 03:43.12 | sandman | wols_: That's rather much unlike just about every other distribution I know =) |
| 03:43.22 | Ryan52 | heatman: ah...then I guess yes use /usr/share/blablahblah... (or whatever) |
| 03:43.33 | wols_ | Rusty1: sligtly. most features of aptitude are in lenny apt-get by now |
| 03:43.40 | heatman | Ryan52: hehe tyvm! wouldnt i think to check for link! |
| 03:43.48 | wols_ | but aptitude does better dependency resolution IIRC |
| 03:44.07 | Ryan52 | heatman: or add "Options FollowSymLinks" to your Directory block in your configs |
| 03:44.32 | heatman | Ryan52: ok kewl |
| 03:44.34 | Rusty1 | for testing i would think that would be wise |
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| 03:49.03 | heatman | Ryan52: so it should lool like this |
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| 03:49.35 | heatman | ServerName name |
| 03:49.35 | heatman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.35 | heatman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.52 | ddalton | how do I allow nfs in my iptables firewall? what are the port numbers? and how do I make it use static ports? |
| 03:49.54 | Ryan52 | heatman: do not paste in the channel! |
| 03:50.01 | heatman | Ryan52: sry |
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| 03:50.37 | Ryan52 | heatman: You should have a <Directory "/">Options FollowSymLink</Directory> |
| 03:50.55 | heatman | Ryan52: ok ty |
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| 03:54.29 | Ryan52 | ddalton: try a google search...I got good results. |
| 03:54.35 | Kevin` | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2) |
| 03:54.39 | Kevin` | how do I make dri work |
| 03:54.56 | Ryan52 | !nvidia |
| 03:54.56 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
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| 03:56.52 | Tonehog | does anyone know how to change GTK themes if you are using Enlightenment or other WM? |
| 03:57.12 | Tonehog | I figure it's a cmdline / vim thing. |
| 03:57.13 | wols_ | Tonehog: a dotfile in your ~ IIRC. .gtkthemerc or such afaik |
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| 03:57.42 | Tonehog | wols_: is located in ~/ ? |
| 03:57.43 | Ryan52 | Tonehog: anything you can do with vim you can do with gedit. Its just an editor. |
| 03:57.51 | sandman | Has anyone used Amaya in Debian Sid? Why does it require OpenGL? it's just a WYSIWYG web editor |
| 03:57.51 | Ryan52 | Tonehog: yes |
| 03:57.57 | wols_ | Tonehog: or somewhere below that |
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| 03:58.15 | wols_ | might one be in /etc too or similar place for system wide settings |
| 03:58.22 | Tonehog | I'll use locate; is there any infromation regarding the config file format? |
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| 03:58.50 | terrestre | can anyone help me with a WiFi card: "Atheros?" AR5211 |
| 03:59.11 | Ryan52 | Tonehog: it probably has a man page (once you find it) |
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| 04:00.33 | wols_ | terrestre: madwifi |
| 04:01.23 | Tonehog | wols_: would metacity-theme-viewer do the job? |
| 04:01.37 | wols_ | do what? |
| 04:02.02 | Tonehog | nm: metacity is another Gnome WM |
| 04:02.49 | Tonehog | I'm looking for gnome-control-panel, but it appears I need to install the GDE or the app is obsolete. |
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| 04:03.44 | AcTiVaTe | Tonehog: No gnome-control-center ? |
| 04:04.04 | Tonehog | no, I'm low on HDD space due to old laptop |
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| 04:05.05 | AcTiVaTe | Just us gconf-editor then |
| 04:05.21 | AcTiVaTe | use* |
| 04:06.12 | Tonehog | "gconf-editor not found" |
| 04:07.45 | Ryan52 | Tonehog: apt-get install gconf-editor |
| 04:07.58 | Tonehog | just doing it ;) |
| 04:08.44 | Samonoske | i've installed postfix now how do i set it up so that i connect it to my domain name and send and recieve mail |
| 04:08.54 | Tonehog | BTW, is E17 available as a .deb package? |
| 04:09.11 | Coweater | Tonehog: gtk-theme-switch sounds like what you might be looking for |
| 04:09.13 | Ryan52 | So I figured out my squirrelmail problems (missing the plugin that makes it so you dont need @my_domain.com). Now I have the problem that things were forgotten. Like the users' theme and probably addresses book and stuff. |
| 04:09.21 | Ryan52 | How can I sync those over to the new server? |
| 04:09.26 | Ryan52 | and all of the other settings. |
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| 04:23.59 | holycow | hello debian |
| 04:24.51 | nvti | hello luser |
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| 04:33.24 | wols_ | !e17 |
| 04:33.24 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
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| 04:38.08 | simonrvn | laurence__: um |
| 04:38.14 | wols_ | laurence__: and now you can create a new password for this nick |
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| 04:42.26 | Benzi | how do I make scripts for the ftp utility? |
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| 04:43.00 | Benzi | i.e., how do I send ftp a file with a bunch of commands to run, without entering interactive mode? |
| 04:45.49 | wols_ | Benzi: ncftpput, ncfptget |
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| 04:46.02 | wols_ | *ncftpget |
| 04:46.17 | Benzi | k, thanks |
| 04:46.22 | Benzi | is there a way to do it with just ftp? |
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| 04:47.48 | wols_ | expect might be able to do it |
| 04:48.02 | wols_ | but a bad kludge compare to ncftpget |
| 04:48.32 | Benzi | alright, thanks |
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| 04:49.05 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/nvidia.txt - I get this with the nvidia driver installed from m-a, and the console is unusable after |
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| 04:50.42 | AcTiVaTe | Kevin`: vmware is supposed to do that? |
| 04:51.11 | Kevin` | AcTiVaTe: that's from vmware you think? |
| 04:51.29 | Kevin` | AcTiVaTe: the problem is at the bottom |
| 04:52.40 | AcTiVaTe | And that's 173.08 or ? |
| 04:52.51 | Kevin` | AcTiVaTe: how do I check |
| 04:53.07 | AcTiVaTe | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version if present |
| 04:53.23 | Kevin` | NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006 |
| 04:53.27 | Kevin` | GCC version: gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 04:53.33 | AcTiVaTe | lol? |
| 04:53.39 | AcTiVaTe | What card? |
| 04:53.45 | AcTiVaTe | GF2MX ? |
| 04:53.50 | Kevin` | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2) |
| 04:54.07 | AcTiVaTe | Can't be right, must be another nvidia driver available |
| 04:54.27 | markybob | that thing is ancient |
| 04:54.35 | wols_ | AcTiVaTe: it is right unless you tell us what other driver there is in etch |
| 04:54.53 | markybob | sid has 169.12-1 |
| 04:55.02 | markybob | you said you were running sid |
| 04:55.02 | wols_ | markybob: that thing is STABLE |
| 04:55.08 | AcTiVaTe | does not even run Debian on his desktop, just server ;) |
| 04:55.17 | Samonoske | i can get my mailserver to send mail inside my network but i can't get it to do it on the outside..i running postfix |
| 04:55.21 | Samonoske | any help? |
| 04:55.31 | wols_ | Samonoske: check your logs |
| 04:55.33 | AcTiVaTe | Samonoske: postfix does not send mail |
| 04:55.40 | Kevin` | so, what should I do? |
| 04:55.48 | wols_ | AcTiVaTe: it doesn't. wjhat does it do then? |
| 04:56.03 | markybob | Kevin`, so you should upgrade your driver |
| 04:56.08 | wols_ | Kevin`: is this a vmware host or vmware client? |
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| 04:56.15 | markybob | Kevin`, thought that was pretty clear |
| 04:56.18 | Kevin` | wols_: vmware host |
| 04:56.19 | Samonoske | AcTiVaTe i meant Courier |
| 04:56.23 | wols_ | he should upgrade his KERNEL perhaps, first |
| 04:56.40 | wols_ | Samonoske: what part of courier? |
| 04:56.40 | markybob | and he should make up his mind about if he's running stable or sid |
| 04:56.48 | Kevin` | i'm using the latest etch kernel.. |
| 04:56.59 | wols_ | Kevin`: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 04:57.17 | Kevin` | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:57.24 | wols_ | you do not run sid |
| 04:57.44 | wols_ | Kevin`: ok, is this a vmware host or a vmware client? |
| 04:57.50 | Kevin` | wols_: vmware host |
| 04:57.51 | Samonoske | courier-authlib-mysql courier-pop courier-pop-ssl courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-maildrop wols_ that's everything that i downloaded involving courier |
| 04:58.20 | wols_ | Samonoske: and that's not what I asked. and there is no courier MTA there. so what MTA is it? |
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| 04:58.52 | AcTiVaTe | must be postfix right? :P |
| 04:58.56 | AcTiVaTe | lols |
| 04:59.03 | wols_ | Kevin`: you have two binray only drivers in your kernel loaded, no one will or can help you with kernel panics there |
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| 04:59.22 | Kevin` | wols_: ok, i'll try it without vmware loaded |
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| 05:00.02 | wols_ | Samonoske: and most importantly: check your logs to find the error message |
| 05:00.10 | Samonoske | wols_ it's postfix mta |
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| 05:00.22 | wols_ | that's nice but you still need to check your logs |
| 05:01.14 | Kevin` | wols_: same thing without vmware |
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| 05:02.32 | wols_ | !tell Kevin` about nvidia post etch |
| 05:02.49 | wols_ | you can try a newer driver version by backporting nvidia drivers frm lenny or sid |
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| 05:07.27 | Tonehog | I guess I need a larger HDD; mines 4GB |
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| 05:08.26 | markybob | Tonehog, 4GB of solid state, i hope |
| 05:08.45 | Tonehog | no, it's an old school IBM600 |
| 05:08.53 | markybob | eek |
| 05:09.17 | Tonehog | I only want it to get into using monoDevelop |
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| 05:14.16 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: still around? You'll get a laugh outta this. :) |
| 05:14.35 | Samonoske | okay i went to my mail log |
| 05:14.47 | Samonoske | May 18 09:13:57 Server1 postfix/smtp[22907]: connect to mailin-03.mx.aol.com[205.188.252.17]: Connection timed out (port 25) |
| 05:14.56 | Samonoske | it tried but it times out..how do i fix |
| 05:15.05 | PhrkOnLsh | Don't use AOL. |
| 05:15.11 | PhrkOnLsh | hides |
| 05:15.24 | Samonoske | that's an inbound message |
| 05:15.29 | Samonoske | from my aim account to my server |
| 05:15.35 | Samonoske | but it didn't get in |
| 05:16.40 | PhrkOnLsh | jim: so, I have two completely identical GRuB items; one boots, one doesn't ::D |
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| 05:18.44 | wols_ | Samonoske: you are in a dialup IP range |
| 05:18.54 | wols_ | aol doesn't want mail from you. you need to use a smarthost |
| 05:18.55 | simonrvn | Samonoske: connection timed out... just let it wait for it on next queue run |
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| 05:19.19 | simonrvn | wols_: aol accepts email from me, and my pppoe iface is dynamic (icky) |
| 05:19.45 | simonrvn | (they didn't used to) |
| 05:20.03 | wols_ | http://paste2.org/p/29105 |
| 05:20.13 | simonrvn | they di when the pppoe iface was static (even after their stupidity) |
| 05:20.13 | wols_ | just did a telnet to port 25 there. this is the result |
| 05:20.20 | wols_ | AOL don't like residential IPs |
| 05:20.33 | streuner | wols_: LTNS |
| 05:20.42 | simonrvn | wols_: i'm just telling you my experience |
| 05:20.43 | streuner | Did you make vacation or _such_? |
| 05:21.20 | wols_ | streuner: I was running away from your alimony suit |
| 05:21.26 | PhrkOnLsh | mm, maybe savedefault is what is keeping the one from booting <-< |
| 05:21.54 | PhrkOnLsh | reboot. |
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| 05:26.30 | PhrkOnLsh | jim, it is the savedefault option in my grub list that was keeping me from booting; should I report this as a bug to Grub maintainers? |
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| 06:01.34 | lostonce | hey guys i have a question how do i put grub onto a usb and make it bootable? |
| 06:01.53 | lostonce | i did cfdisk and made the device bootable |
| 06:02.49 | lostonce | so cfdisk /dev/sdb1 then made it bootable wrote it and exited. I then proceeded to mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:03.01 | lostonce | now i think i need to install grub onto it some how? |
| 06:05.30 | simonrvn | grub-install... or do it manually from grub shell |
| 06:05.56 | lostonce | thanks :) |
| 06:05.56 | apt | sure thing, lostonce |
| 06:06.18 | markybob | damnit, apt is still not changed |
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| 06:06.49 | lostonce | nope |
| 06:07.19 | markybob | dondelelcaro, seriously, is this really necessary? do you know who controls apt? could you please tell him to knock it off? |
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| 06:17.03 | PhrkOnLsh | markybob: what's up now? |
| 06:17.33 | markybob | PhrkOnLsh, the same. that's the problem |
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| 06:19.43 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, i see |
| 06:22.45 | vraa | man, this sucks |
| 06:22.58 | vraa | what steps should i take to try to fix my sound. it has worked before, but not it doesn't :( |
| 06:23.12 | kuber | beer time! |
| 06:23.15 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 06:23.16 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 06:23.35 | markybob | vraa, give more info |
| 06:23.42 | vraa | let me run through the checklist first, thanks! |
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| 06:24.41 | vraa | actually you know what |
| 06:24.47 | vraa | it's probably just better for me to reinstall |
| 06:24.51 | vraa | i think i've borked this install enough lol |
| 06:25.29 | markybob | for just sound, or did you do more damage? |
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| 06:26.00 | lostonce | hello i tried grub-install and it says that sdc1 doesnt have /boot/grub |
| 06:26.02 | lostonce | but it does |
| 06:26.13 | enouf | ya know, there is no alsaconf in the main debian variant |
| 06:27.04 | markybob | right, alsaconf is in alsa-utils |
| 06:28.02 | lostonce | see i did this cd /mnt/sdc1, then ls , It prints boot/, then i did ls again, grub/.. im not sure what im doing wrong |
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| 06:28.30 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, this is wierd... when I boot, /etc/init.d/networking automatically dhcp's my router, and everything works fine, seemingly but there is no connection. I have to /etc/init.d/networking restart to get it to work |
| 06:28.35 | PhrkOnLsh | lostonce: you have to chroot it |
| 06:28.52 | lostonce | oh how do i do that? |
| 06:29.03 | lostonce | chroot /dev/sdc1 |
| 06:29.13 | enouf | no, /mnt/point |
| 06:29.30 | PhrkOnLsh | no, you have to bind /dev /proc and /sys frist or chroot won't like it. |
| 06:29.31 | lostonce | aww |
| 06:29.40 | lostonce | okay chroot /mnt/sdc1 |
| 06:29.44 | PhrkOnLsh | moutn --bind /dev /mnt/sdc1/dev |
| 06:29.46 | PhrkOnLsh | etc etc |
| 06:29.51 | enouf | !rescue |
| 06:29.51 | dpkg | i heard rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 06:29.51 | lostonce | thank ya |
| 06:29.51 | apt | bitte, lostonce |
| 06:29.53 | PhrkOnLsh | then chroot /mnt/sdc1 |
| 06:30.03 | lostonce | haha apt is still messing up |
| 06:30.11 | vraa | markybob, for sound, and for lots of other stuff. i learned al ot though by doing a debian minimal install |
| 06:30.22 | markybob | apt is a bitch |
| 06:30.31 | lostonce | :) |
| 06:31.12 | markybob | vraa, ok, i was gonna talk you out of it, but since there's a lot of other stuff, go ahead :P |
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| 06:32.23 | vraa | haha |
| 06:32.32 | vraa | don't worry, i'm still sticking to a debian based system |
| 06:33.56 | ReKlip1 | I've currently got a 3 drive raid5 (sda, sdb, sdc), and a usb flash stick to boot the system from (sdd). I want to add another drive to the raid. I plugged in the drive with the power off, and when the sys booted, the new drive is now sdd, and the flash is sde, not good, very bad. I realize i can solve this by hot plugging the drive, but I dont know if that will stay acrossed reboots. How do I solve this problem? |
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| 06:34.48 | vraa | markybob, do you know of a good distro that's .. uh, kinda made to fit on a flash disk? |
| 06:34.55 | vraa | and meant to go from computer to computer and boot from it? |
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| 06:35.04 | vraa | like a portable computer, but only the storage |
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| 06:35.39 | markybob | vraa, only distro i've used since 1996 is debian. i wouldnt know |
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| 06:35.40 | ReKlip1 | vraa, knoppix? |
| 06:35.58 | vraa | thanks, i'll look into it |
| 06:36.01 | vraa | wow 12 years, that's a lot |
| 06:36.05 | enouf | vraa: for that you might try grml.org/faq |
| 06:36.30 | lostonce | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 06:37.00 | lostonce | but /bin/bash is there |
| 06:37.36 | ReKlip1 | woah... |
| 06:37.40 | lostonce | wow what happen |
| 06:37.40 | Fersure | o_o |
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| 06:37.40 | markybob | lostonce, it's called a netsplit |
| 06:37.45 | lostonce | ?/ |
| 06:37.49 | lostonce | aww |
| 06:38.09 | ReKlip1 | one of the nodes went offline, all users = disconnected |
| 06:38.22 | lostonce | markybob why would i get this error chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory but its there |
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| 06:38.33 | lostonce | rklip1 that node blows :) |
| 06:38.42 | ReKlip1 | that node is dead... |
| 06:38.43 | ReKlip1 | lol |
| 06:38.47 | markybob | lostonce, got me. bash is installed in debian by default. you dont even get to pick :P |
| 06:38.50 | lostonce | yep |
| 06:38.50 | assem | totem is crashing with (totem:4381): Gtk-WARNING **: <accessibility> is being ignored,' then a GTK Error uknown internal child accessible... im using debian sid -- any ideas? |
| 06:38.56 | enouf | ReKlip1: can you just give your USB stick a LABEL= or UUID= to use, instead of a /dev/name |
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| 06:39.00 | Guerin | assem: don't use sid |
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| 06:39.13 | lostonce | thats what i dont get haha\ |
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| 06:39.26 | ReKlip1 | enouf: so, for instance, in fstab, do it by UUID instead of by dev name? |
| 06:39.28 | enouf | lostonce: you likely want to install grub to the MBR though, so use "grub-install /dev/sdc (hd2)" (or whatever) , not sdc1 in grub-install, but grub shell though makes this easier, IMO |
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| 06:39.35 | markybob | lostonce, sure you're not using ubuntu? i hear they moved on from bash to dash |
| 06:39.37 | enouf | ReKlip1: yep |
| 06:39.45 | assem | Guerin, any other ideas that don't require a downgrade ? |
| 06:39.46 | ReKlip1 | enouf: will give it a shot |
| 06:39.48 | lostonce | yea hey thanks |
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| 06:40.04 | lostonce | oh yea ubuntu sucks :P debain |
| 06:40.10 | Guerin | assem: dropping sid is not a downgrade |
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| 06:40.13 | lostonce | haha |
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| 06:40.26 | lostonce | thanks enouf im going to try that |
| 06:40.26 | apt | de rien, lostonce |
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| 06:40.42 | lostonce | shut the f up apt u damn bot |
| 06:40.55 | assem | so many of the programming packages i use were insanely outdated and thus moving to stable is a downgrade for me |
| 06:41.06 | markybob | i think of sid like the luvs diaper commerical. first you buy the expensive brand (sid), and then you learn (testing/stable) |
| 06:41.09 | Guerin | assem: so use testing. |
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| 06:41.17 | Guerin | assem: or learn to support yourself on sid. |
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| 06:41.32 | assem | this is the first real problem i've had -- and it's just over some DVD player |
| 06:41.32 | lostonce | enouf whats the (hd2)? can i make that 0? |
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| 06:41.42 | Guerin | assem: use vlc, then |
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| 06:41.56 | enouf | lostonce: just make sure you got things correct before actually running commands .. did you see the !rescue factoid earlier ? |
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| 06:42.05 | Guerin | assem: you can file this on the BTS, then it might get fixed |
| 06:42.14 | lostonce | yes i saw it |
| 06:42.21 | enouf | lostonce: well, sdC corresponds to 3rd HDD as does hd2 |
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| 06:42.27 | lostonce | aww |
| 06:42.33 | enouf | in grub speak |
| 06:42.33 | lostonce | okay here i go woot |
| 06:42.37 | assem | Guerin, well it seems like from that error message that it has something to do with the accessibility settings/packages |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | assem: yep. package/lib mismatch is a major cause of fuckups in sid. You can also try incoming - ask dpkg about it |
| 06:42.59 | assem | Guerin, also the bugtracker locks up when i try to report it (it spins my cd for 30mins aimlessly) never finishes |
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| 06:43.17 | Guerin | assem: which bugtracker? |
| 06:43.19 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 06:43.19 | apt | bonjour |
| 06:43.33 | markybob | assem, what are you using? reportbug? |
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| 06:43.43 | jim | similar meanings... but hd2 sounds like a grub designation, look at /boot/grub/device.map |
| 06:43.48 | Gorbulas | how do I keep my computer from trying to label my external drive for SELinux? |
| 06:43.53 | bitweiler | is libncurse-dev not on the first CD |
| 06:44.04 | lostonce | damn this thing to bits with the hand of the almighty creator, I call upon the sledge hammer do your task and take this machine from my sight. |
| 06:44.14 | Guerin | bitweiler: /msg dpks cd contents |
| 06:44.15 | markybob | bitweiler, it is. libncurses5-dev |
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| 06:44.25 | Guerin | bitweiler: dpkg, I mean |
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| 06:44.43 | lostonce | bash: syntax error near unexpected token ` |
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| 06:44.49 | jim | damn: command not found |
| 06:45.03 | assem | markybob, bugbuddy |
| 06:45.08 | lostonce | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 06:45.11 | Guerin | assem: wtf |
| 06:45.15 | lostonce | sorry for the double |
| 06:45.16 | enouf | lostonce: what exactly did you type? |
| 06:45.16 | markybob | assem, fuck that. move on to reportbug |
| 06:45.22 | Guerin | assem: fuck bugbuddy |
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| 06:45.24 | Guerin | jeesus |
| 06:45.27 | assem | lol |
| 06:45.31 | lostonce | grub-install /dev/sdc (hd2) |
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| 06:45.49 | enouf | erm, from where? |
| 06:45.53 | sussudio | :-| |
| 06:46.01 | assem | well, after emptying my cd drive i just got it to report |
| 06:46.04 | lostonce | the terminal |
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| 06:46.18 | enouf | lostonce: but booted into what? |
| 06:46.18 | lostonce | the shell |
| 06:46.20 | assem | hopefully someone will fix the problem soon.. thanks guys |
| 06:46.28 | bitweiler | markybob: is it not apt-get installable from cd 1 |
| 06:46.34 | jim | does grub-install always install to a partition rather than to mbr + chainloader? |
| 06:46.37 | enouf | lostonce: are you chrooted? Installer CD boot? |
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| 06:46.39 | njero | Hey all, I was doing the dist-upgrade thing and got a message saying libssl0.9.8 needed to reboot the service. I let it and now can't ssh back in at all "Connection closed by 111.222.333.444". I tried rebooting the server, but got nothing. Any ideas? |
| 06:46.45 | lostonce | enouf i cant chroot into /mnt/sdc1 |
| 06:47.04 | Guerin | !unix lessons |
| 06:47.04 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 06:47.12 | Guerin | njero: see lesson #10 |
| 06:47.17 | bitweiler | can apt-get install grab packages from the net instead of trying to grab everything from a CD |
| 06:47.21 | lostonce | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 06:47.21 | lostonce | \ |
| 06:47.24 | vvo | Almost every time i quit iceweasel, it can not terminate cleanly, leaving firefox-bin running. I have to kill firefox-bin each time. How can make iceweasel quit cleanly ? thx. |
| 06:47.27 | Guerin | njero: call your onsite admins and have them terminalise in |
| 06:47.36 | lostonce | but thats bs |
| 06:47.37 | Gorbulas | njero: your key is probably blacklisted |
| 06:47.40 | enouf | lostonce: listen, use either rescue mode from InstallationCD or use manual shell http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC9 |
| 06:47.41 | lostonce | i see /bin/bash |
| 06:47.45 | njero | Guerin: thanks ;) |
| 06:47.58 | njero | Gorbulas: that sounds like a bad thing... |
| 06:48.00 | lostonce | aww okay thank you im going to init 3 right now |
| 06:48.03 | lostonce | or is it 2 |
| 06:48.11 | markybob | bitweiler, http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=libncurses5-dev |
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| 06:48.31 | jim | lostonce: you need to chroot to what is the / of the os you're chrooting to |
| 06:48.34 | bitweiler | hmmm.... |
| 06:48.38 | enouf | lostonce: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-a57d9f1dd8e977a5e79c26afeca72d0cba4e5c56 from the !rescue factoid |
| 06:48.44 | lostonce | how do i thank you |
| 06:48.51 | lostonce | brb |
| 06:48.53 | nvti | with paypal |
| 06:48.59 | [nix]-hack | lol |
| 06:49.01 | markybob | paypal? money? who? me? |
| 06:49.04 | jim | now ya talkin |
| 06:49.22 | Guerin | paypal FTL |
| 06:49.40 | markybob | i use paypal at work :( |
| 06:49.41 | jim | unless the money is incoming... |
| 06:49.55 | markybob | i wish google checkout supported subscriptions |
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| 06:50.37 | bitweiler | markybob: apt-get install libncurses5-dev gives E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev, but it trying to read from cdrm device |
| 06:51.12 | markybob | bitweiler, are you gonna go to the link i gave you or read the factoid Guerin gave you? both answer your question |
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| 06:53.12 | streuner1laptop | !test |
| 06:53.12 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 06:53.40 | jim | Congratulations! You've tested positive! |
| 06:53.49 | markybob | jim, i've been meaning to ask you...are you and abortman the same person? :P |
| 06:54.12 | jim | whoza abortman? |
| 06:54.18 | jim | :) |
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| 06:54.54 | Guerin | jim: let's do a simple test: how many of your shoulders currently work now? |
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| 06:55.05 | jim | 4 |
| 06:55.06 | markybob | heh |
| 06:55.18 | jim | wait, it's different now... |
| 06:55.20 | jim | 5 |
| 06:55.27 | Guerin | definitely not abortman, he busted one of his in a bike accident |
| 06:55.42 | jim | oh man, when did that happen? |
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| 06:56.19 | bitweiler | damn cd 4 is the only way to get huh markybob? |
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| 06:57.11 | markybob | bitweiler, or connect to the internet, or download the debs and dpkg -i them, or download the dvd |
| 06:57.18 | markybob | you're not lacking options |
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| 06:59.28 | Guerin | jim: wednesday last |
| 06:59.49 | Guerin | he types one-handed all the time now, not just when his baseball team are winning |
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| 07:00.18 | markybob | he should really switch to the cubs. they always win :P |
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| 07:01.38 | markybob | highest scoring team in the major leagues...cubies ftw! |
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| 07:03.29 | Gorbulas | some parts of gnome are so useless with a one-button mouse |
| 07:03.40 | Gorbulas | like network manager and bluetooth |
| 07:03.43 | markybob | you're on a mac? |
| 07:03.50 | Gorbulas | yes |
| 07:05.28 | ReKlip1 | I just added a drive to my raid 5, is there anyway to speed up the rebuild? |
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| 07:05.41 | erpo | ReKlip1: Yes, stop accessing it! |
| 07:05.41 | Gorbulas | take the drive back out? |
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| 07:06.31 | ReKlip1 | erpo: the raid is the system... |
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| 07:06.52 | erpo | ReKlip1: Minimize disk use if you can. |
| 07:07.06 | ReKlip1 | erpo, it's just sitting there rebuilding, not touching it, lol |
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| 07:07.29 | erpo | ReKlip1: Then the only way you can speed it up is by killing time. |
| 07:07.33 | ReKlip1 | my friend did the same thing a while back, and I remember he kept changing a value somewhere to cap the rebuild speed |
| 07:07.59 | ReKlip1 | he said it was set very low to begin with, and it was gonna take like 5 days to rebuild, then he changed it, and it went down to a couple of hours |
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| 07:09.11 | ReKlip1 | should i switch to single user run level? |
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| 07:10.24 | markybob | ReKlip1, apparently you should be asking your friend, not us |
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| 07:10.44 | ReKlip1 | markybob: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min |
| 07:10.46 | ReKlip1 | found it |
| 07:11.05 | Nopalin | i need to acces ntfs partition and i did that installong ntfs-3g drivers.. now my problem is that linux can not see files with weird chars like ä or ñ |
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| 07:11.43 | markybob | raid 5 with ntfs? damn |
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| 07:12.02 | erpo | Different guy. |
| 07:12.11 | markybob | ah, my bad |
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| 07:14.20 | ReKlip1 | woo! now we're cooking with gas! |
| 07:15.13 | erpo | Cooking with gas? Are you 60? |
| 07:15.20 | bitweiler | markybob: i don't mean to be a pest but I'm at the link but don't see know way to download the .deb file |
| 07:15.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | ReKlip1, \o/! |
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| 07:16.13 | bitweiler | .jigdo files that seems strange ... |
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| 07:16.59 | ReKlip1 | rebuilding at 186000KB/s |
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| 07:17.21 | markybob | bitweiler, to download the deb files, go to http://packages.debian.org/libncurses5-dev (of course get libncurses5 as well) |
| 07:17.29 | Gorbulas_ | network manager is storing keys incorrectly on debian lenny PPC |
| 07:17.39 | ReKlip1 | erpo: can you think of a young hip replacement for cooking with gas? |
| 07:17.49 | markybob | Gorbulas, meaning what? |
| 07:17.55 | simonrvn | Gorbulas_: BTS. we aren't that here. |
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| 07:18.17 | Gorbulas_ | I enter the passphrase into the box in network manager, but then if I tell it to show the passphrase to me, it's a lot of hex |
| 07:18.34 | markybob | Gorbulas, iwconfig doesnt support passphrase. it's in the man page |
| 07:18.36 | Gorbulas_ | connecting to the access point automatically fails |
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| 07:19.12 | Gorbulas_ | if I manually enter the passphrase into the keyring with the keyring manager it seems to work |
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| 07:20.36 | Gorbulas_ | well, it worked once |
| 07:23.08 | Guerin | can someone remind me why gnash is stil so shit? |
| 07:23.14 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 07:23.16 | erpo | ReKlip1: No, I can't. But I think saying that makes you eligible for social security. No offense. :) |
| 07:23.33 | markybob | Guerin, no real specs |
| 07:23.44 | simonrvn | Guerin: BTS. we aren't that here. ;p |
| 07:24.32 | Guerin | the only thing people care about is video. I can dig the fact that it doesn't play the videos; fine, cool. What I want is it to get me a url so I can download or play the fucking thing in an actual player, just as the mplayer-plugin does. |
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| 07:25.03 | streuner | !info youtube-dl |
| 07:25.11 | njero | Gorbulas: the host key was blacklisted. I am going through a console to try to get it fixed but can't figure it out |
| 07:25.15 | njero | any ideas? |
| 07:25.24 | simonrvn | Guerin: youtube-dl ^^^ |
| 07:25.28 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2008.03.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 07:25.34 | Guerin | streuner: it might shock you to know that all the video in the interwebs isn't on youtube. |
| 07:25.44 | simonrvn | works with other ones |
| 07:25.59 | Guerin | pbs.org? |
| 07:26.06 | simonrvn | there's another one that's more site-agnostic |
| 07:26.07 | Guerin | how about tvnz.co.nz? |
| 07:26.17 | markybob | i dropped gnash because it didnt support mlb.com |
| 07:26.18 | Gorbulas_ | njero: the host key or the client key? the host key should have been regenerated automatically |
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| 07:26.40 | njero | Gorbulas: the host key (so it says) |
| 07:26.46 | streuner | Guerin: non-free stuff works usually good enough :-/ |
| 07:27.09 | streuner | Guerin: but it uses plenty of CPU power |
| 07:27.10 | Guerin | except it eats babies in other regards |
| 07:27.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:27.18 | Guerin | that too |
| 07:27.38 | Gorbulas_ | check the key rollover stuff(msg dpkg dsa1571) |
| 07:27.48 | bitweiler | so i guess apt-get is broken in etch, i read that i could install packages using apt-get install or aptitude install but neither gets packages and everytime i run apt-get install it tells me to insert cd is there a way to change this behavior for apt-get |
| 07:28.08 | streuner | correct sources.list |
| 07:28.12 | Guerin | bitweiler: it's not. You are. |
| 07:28.17 | Gorbulas_ | bitweiler: remove the CD line from your sources list |
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| 07:28.40 | Gorbulas_ | (why is it in there by default) |
| 07:30.32 | bitweiler | Gorbulas: okay but where is sources.list located locate can't find it |
| 07:30.34 | enouf | Guerin: might be able to grok xml2/html2 to grep the urls you need http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples |
| 07:31.02 | erpo | Guerin: A lot of times a flash applet just fetches a .flv file from an HTTP server. You can wireshark out the FLV file and wget it. |
| 07:31.04 | Gorbulas_ | bitweiler: /etc/apt iirc |
| 07:31.11 | Guerin | erpo: ECBA |
| 07:31.27 | enouf | i use mplayer directly |
| 07:31.35 | erpo | Guerin: ? |
| 07:31.39 | Guerin | erpo: this is the whole fucking purpose of a flash plugin: to do it for me (and make the URL available) |
| 07:31.48 | Guerin | erpo: Error, Can't Be Arsed |
| 07:32.04 | enouf | marketing bozos got your nutsack |
| 07:32.39 | streuner | !sources.list |
| 07:32.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:32.46 | Guerin | enouf: nope, i'd rather do without the whole shooting box, but too much content is available no other way |
| 07:32.47 | simonrvn | bitweiler: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:32.47 | Gorbulas_ | does anyone know how to keep the selinux init script from labeling my external drive? |
| 07:33.34 | erpo | Guerin: Ah. Well, I can't help that none of the available software meets your standards, but FYI some flash video doesn't even have a normal URL. Some new stuff uses a relatively uncommon streaming protocol between the flash player and the streaming server. And I haven't been able to find a Linux util that can download video that way. |
| 07:33.49 | Guerin | i see |
| 07:33.50 | ReKlip1 | erpo, I'm 19, bring on the monies! |
| 07:34.05 | ReKlip1 | (in regards to the social security) |
| 07:34.18 | simonrvn | youngin' |
| 07:34.27 | Guerin | more proof thatr macdobedia is trying to rival MS and teh goog for Evilest IT Corporation award |
| 07:35.27 | erpo | Guerin: It's DRM. They're fed up with people keeping videos. |
| 07:35.34 | simonrvn | it's adobe, of course they are |
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| 07:36.26 | Guerin | fail |
| 07:36.27 | Gorbulas_ | Adobe puts out some of the worst software I've ever used :/ |
| 07:37.37 | streuner | flash isn't that bad, but its non-free |
| 07:37.46 | streuner | and not open-source |
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| 07:39.16 | streuner | a lot of stuff working nowadays via flash |
| 07:39.24 | Gorbulas_ | it uses a ton of resources(all it can get) to play video fullscreen on Mac OS and to install it on Windows you are required to use some terrible activeX downloader tool that doesn't support resuming downloads after their dieing webserver drops the connection |
| 07:39.52 | streuner | true, what they making out of that is bad |
| 07:40.33 | ReKlip1 | it's better than silverlight or whatever that M$ crap is called... |
| 07:41.21 | Gorbulas_ | I'm hoping html canvases and JIT compiled javascript take over |
| 07:41.46 | streuner | yeah, silverlight, i found out after using no-script (mozilla)... |
| 07:41.54 | Gorbulas_ | with no standard javascript compiler so there is never a bytecode that you can pass around instead of source |
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| 07:48.12 | msshams | how can i download a website with all pages? |
| 07:48.16 | simonrvn | *chirp* *chirp* |
| 07:48.44 | streuner | msshams: tkinfo wget - look for examples |
| 07:49.24 | msshams | streuner: if we use wget test.com it can only download first page |
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| 07:49.51 | simonrvn | i suppose reading the manual is too hard |
| 07:50.07 | palomer__ | I want gpatch! |
| 07:51.15 | Gorbulas_ | wget can do what you want |
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| 07:52.01 | bitweiler | okay i read man sources.list and the example sources.list file removed cdrom stuff from and added deb http:ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
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| 07:52.52 | bitweiler | did aptitude update and still apt-get install won't fetch packages for me waht am i missing something? |
| 07:53.18 | Gorbulas_ | did the update give you any errors? |
| 07:53.42 | bitweiler | nope |
| 07:54.16 | simonrvn | um, is that exactly like you inserted into the file or is that typo here? |
| 07:54.31 | bitweiler | typo |
| 07:54.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:54.57 | bitweiler | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 07:55.06 | simonrvn | pastebin the errors you get |
| 07:56.19 | palomer__ | man, I'm sure gpatch in is a package |
| 07:56.23 | palomer__ | but I can't figure out which |
| 07:56.40 | bitweiler | this the only error: E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev |
| 07:57.07 | simonrvn | wth |
| 07:57.10 | wols | !tell palomer__ about search |
| 07:57.32 | bitweiler | that is the only error i get aptitude update gives no errors |
| 07:57.39 | palomer__ | wols, searched many times |
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| 07:58.29 | bitweiler | simonrvn: with this cmd: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 07:59.07 | simonrvn | yeh, i imagined that's what you did... update again, that *does* exist |
| 07:59.09 | palomer__ | wols, it's not anywhere! |
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| 07:59.44 | simonrvn | !info libncurses-dev etch |
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| 08:00.23 | simonrvn | doh... libncurses5-dev |
| 08:00.27 | simonrvn | !info libncurses5-dev etch |
| 08:00.30 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1363 kB, Installed size: 5992 kB |
| 08:00.39 | simonrvn | <-- tired |
| 08:00.49 | simonrvn | bitweiler: ^^^^^ |
| 08:00.55 | bitweiler | yes |
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| 08:01.16 | bitweiler | aptitude update is the the way to update right |
| 08:01.28 | bitweiler | just making sure that all |
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| 08:01.31 | PhrkOnLsh | bitweiler: I hear that apt is acting flaky, amybe it's still down. |
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| 08:01.43 | PhrkOnLsh | markybob: is apt working yat? |
| 08:01.47 | simonrvn | yeh, and keep using it. try to avoid mixing apt-get and aptitude |
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| 08:03.16 | bitweiler | okay, what do you mean by mixing it |
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| 08:05.03 | bitweiler | PhrkOnLsh: so the apt server is down 8| |
| 08:05.21 | palomer__ | how do I set my path permanently? |
| 08:05.27 | PhrkOnLsh | THat's what I understand from earlier |
| 08:05.54 | bitweiler | okay, maybe it'll be up by sunrise |
| 08:06.20 | erpo | palomer__: What shell do you use? |
| 08:06.25 | palomer__ | bash |
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| 08:06.37 | simonrvn | mixing the usage of apt-get and apti... |
| 08:06.49 | T|X | !info pam |
| 08:06.50 | erpo | palomer__: Edit .bashrc |
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| 08:07.30 | T|X | !info libpam_blue |
| 08:07.38 | bitweiler | simonrvn: okay so apt-get can update sources.list as well that's sweet |
| 08:08.14 | simonrvn | apt existed before aptitude came about |
| 08:08.55 | bitweiler | oh, so apt-get is now my man |
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| 08:12.44 | palomer__ | erpo, what line do I add? |
| 08:14.56 | PhrkOnLsh | ww!ifo awstats |
| 08:15.04 | PhrkOnLsh | !info awstats |
| 08:15.06 | dpkg | awstats: (powerful and featureful web server log analyzer), section web, is optional. Version: 6.7.dfsg-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 885 kB, Installed size: 4788 kB |
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| 08:16.00 | T|X | hi there, I recently tried the module pam-blue for the authentication. I added the line 'auth required pam_blue.so' to /etc/pam.d/common-auth. then I commented out all the entries in /etc/security/bluescan.conf and added only my normal username and the macaddress of my bluetooth device. Now I can only login when my bluetooth device is switched on and when I enter my password, that's how it is supposed to work. But now I can't lo |
| 08:16.00 | T|X | gin as root anymore! Do I have to reinstall my whole system now to enable this again? |
| 08:17.00 | cast | nope. |
| 08:18.53 | enouf | bitweiler: PhrkOnLsh: erm, what markybob was referring to was 'apt' the channel bot, not the dpkg frontend, lmao |
| 08:19.01 | cast | i'd grab a grml livecd [or anyone you have laying around] and use that to fix your issue |
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| 08:20.00 | cahoot | T|X: can't even su? |
| 08:20.31 | T|X | I tried only sudo and the normal login as root |
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| 08:20.46 | T|X | both didnÄt work, but sudo isn't configured correctly yet... |
| 08:21.14 | T|X | does the execution via su skip the blue-pam requirements? |
| 08:21.59 | T|X | and I think I can't easily edit the config-files with a live cd, because the whole system is encrypted |
| 08:22.33 | xingu | T|X: today you learnt a valuable lesson - when sawing branches away, sit on the end nearest the tree |
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| 08:23.04 | erpo | T|X: You can decrypt manually. Are you using LUKS? |
| 08:23.18 | xingu | T|X: or to put this in context - never screw about with pam without 1/ having a root shell open and 2/ testing the change afterward (with the root shell still open) |
| 08:23.19 | T|X | yep |
| 08:23.59 | T|X | I know, it was damned foolish ^^ |
| 08:24.20 | xingu | T|X: add "init=/bin/bash" to your boot args |
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| 08:24.50 | xingu | T|X: remember to mount your filesystems read-write; and back read-only again, before reboot. |
| 08:24.51 | ^Optimus^ | is it possible to turn the flickering of screen off? |
| 08:25.32 | erpo | ^Optimus^: ? |
| 08:25.46 | ^Optimus^ | I mean in screen sessions |
| 08:26.27 | erpo | ^Optimus^: What do you mean by flickering? |
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| 08:27.16 | T|X | hmm, does a login via ssh skip the blue-pam requirement? |
| 08:27.30 | T|X | I think I have an ssh daemon on this machine running... |
| 08:27.34 | cast | nope. ssh uses pam. |
| 08:27.50 | cast | fuck up pam and you fuck up login/su/sudo/ssh/etc.. |
| 08:27.52 | xingu | T|X: totally depends on what /etc/pam.d/sshd says |
| 08:28.05 | enouf | heh, see /etc/pam.d/ssh{d} |
| 08:28.14 | simonrvn | ...nowadays has includes for common-* |
| 08:28.31 | enouf | bastages! .. you steenken fast typers! :-P |
| 08:28.50 | xingu | point being, pam *itself* has no intrinsic hierarchy |
| 08:29.16 | enouf | the 'ifrp' factoid has what xingu said explained further |
| 08:29.22 | T|X | so I should just grab any livecd, start with the bootparam 'init /boot/bash' and decrypt manually then. finally I should be able to edit the /etc/pam.d/common-auth again? |
| 08:29.29 | xingu | it's flatter kiera knightley |
| 08:29.53 | xingu | T|X: no need for the livecd, just bypass init via that boot arg on your existing system |
| 08:29.57 | enouf | !tell T|X -about ifrp |
| 08:30.01 | xingu | T|X: no init, no login, no pam... |
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| 08:32.36 | T|X | hmm, okay, I'll reboot to my other system now, thanks for the tips so far |
| 08:33.01 | T|X | ah, hmm, one second |
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| 08:33.22 | T|X | do I have to do something different to mount luks-partitions? |
| 08:33.38 | cast | use cryptsetup luksOpen |
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| 08:33.48 | cast | then mount the /dev/mapper/thingy |
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| 08:34.18 | T|X | okay, I'll give it a try, bye |
| 08:34.26 | enouf | is it '/' ? does your initrd already handle tjhat? |
| 08:34.41 | ma3x | when i go to some websites iceweasel says 'unknown plugin audio/midi' how do i install that? |
| 08:34.45 | cast | his initrd image will have cryptsetup so he'll be right |
| 08:34.58 | T|X | ? |
| 08:35.03 | T|X | :) |
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| 08:36.16 | xingu | am I the last remaining person who is at all worried about things like recovering filesystems after a dual failure (parity gone and partially bad media on data volume) |
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| 08:36.43 | erpo | xingu: No. :) |
| 08:36.50 | enouf | nope :-p |
| 08:37.08 | xingu | oh well, I guess the specific one in a million risk of someone nicking something worthwhile from an unencrypted volume far outweighs the far more likely event of a dual failure on the same volume |
| 08:37.08 | erpo | xingu: I dream of ZFS. |
| 08:37.11 | enouf | fire the boss! |
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| 08:38.17 | xingu | (ot, but a great world-view - "in china, if you're one in a million, there's a thousand just like you") |
| 08:38.17 | cast | thats why we have backups. |
| 08:39.09 | xingu | heh |
| 08:39.13 | xingu | universal panacea |
| 08:39.21 | enouf | well one in 300 ain't exactly chump change either O_o |
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| 08:40.02 | xingu | sorry, I'm well cynical on the whole backups thing these days - the system writing can't keep the volume up to date as it is, and you think archive-behind is viable? |
| 08:40.38 | cast | starts a backup |
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| 08:41.17 | xingu | oh I know, defence in depth, tiered redundancy, it'll reduce the probable to the unlikely and all that |
| 08:41.43 | xingu | but the funny thing is that when you follow that through recursively you wind up living in a world _totally dominated_ by the unlikely. |
| 08:42.29 | cast | see i have this 500GB drive installed. i don't know what it is :\ or whats on it, no partition table, doesn't look like a FS or PV |
| 08:42.51 | cast | ahh, luks partition |
| 08:43.00 | enouf | was going to say |
| 08:43.28 | enouf | or should i readjust my sarcasm detection meter? |
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| 08:43.58 | cast | i have poor memory :\ |
| 08:44.11 | enouf | i have little RAM :-p |
| 08:44.23 | cast | has plenty of that |
| 08:44.53 | enouf | so anything new that gets added immediately starts swapping neurons |
| 08:44.57 | pgpkeys | only a geek would make a joke like that in a channel of geeks and not worry it would fall flat :) |
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| 08:46.03 | pgpkeys | (i stand convicted somewhere in that statement) |
| 08:46.10 | cast | ahh its an rdiff-backup mirror :) |
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| 08:46.38 | xingu | someone needs to integrate rdiff with git |
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| 08:46.52 | xingu | volunteers cast for the job |
| 08:47.27 | xingu | fuse gitfs, hmm |
| 08:47.36 | eth01 | morning |
| 08:47.44 | pgpkeys | now we're talkin |
| 08:47.51 | cast | uses hg :D |
| 08:48.42 | cast | shh guys. [UpdateError .irssi/irclogs/freenode/#debian.log Updated mirror temp file rm-rdiff-backup/.irssi/irclogs/freenode/rdiff-backup.tmp.349 does not match source] |
| 08:48.52 | enouf | hong gong? |
| 08:49.05 | xingu | quicksilver |
| 08:49.16 | xingu | a cure for what ails ye |
| 08:49.24 | xingu | unless what ails ye happens to be insanity |
| 08:49.43 | enouf | silverstreak, a nude train :-P |
| 08:50.04 | pgpkeys | insanity aint so bad |
| 08:50.15 | xingu | bah this gitfs is read only |
| 08:50.32 | enouf | yeah, what's wrong with delusions of grandeur ? |
| 08:50.56 | xingu | I have aspirations of mediocrity |
| 08:51.11 | xingu | an attitude I must say which helps me beat expectations come pay review |
| 08:51.24 | enouf | i can't decide whether i should procrastinate or not |
| 08:51.29 | cast | makes you a perm. over achiever |
| 08:51.59 | pgpkeys | or over achieving at under achieving :) |
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| 08:54.49 | xingu | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/12/7/279 <- tres cool |
| 08:55.04 | pgpkeys | goddamn i'm bored tonight. but i dont feel like doing a damn thing about it |
| 08:55.19 | xingu | my ambition is going nowhere |
| 08:55.26 | xingu | !beer pgpkeys |
| 08:55.26 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for pgpkeys |
| 08:55.35 | pgpkeys | mmmm, beer |
| 08:55.55 | pgpkeys | we finished off the vodka and iced tea about an hour ago |
| 08:56.30 | xingu | there's an interesting combination |
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| 08:56.44 | hifi | debian sid, anyone using open source radeon drivers? they crash my X when I start games like bzflag |
| 08:56.47 | xingu | especially if you got a nice lemon or lime flavoured one |
| 08:56.59 | pgpkeys | i'm not a vodka drinker and I found it quite a nice flavor |
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| 08:58.02 | pgpkeys | iirc, it was a mango flavored |
| 08:58.16 | xingu | one tip I picked up in a cafe with ice teas - if you've got the luxury of time, put a tray of shot glasses, one sugar cube per, filled with _boiling_ water (to fully liquify) into the fridge until the glass frosts |
| 08:58.27 | slxix | mango is yummmmy |
| 08:58.42 | xingu | then serve shot glass with the tea - mix into drink at table. |
| 08:59.04 | pgpkeys | now that's an interesting trick |
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| 08:59.50 | xingu | sugar supersaturate, and avoids the grit problem you get if you try and sweeten a cold drink |
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| 09:01.45 | pgpkeys | i'm usually just a straight tequila guy. however, couple friends started me off on the mango vodka and Lipton Iced Tea and I usually stay far away from vodka. I don't like the straight taste |
| 09:02.54 | xingu | great vodka shouldn't really have a taste |
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| 09:03.00 | strawks | hi all, is there any PDF viewer to fill in forms excpet acrobat reader? |
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| 09:03.29 | strawks | s/excpet/except/ |
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| 09:03.43 | pgpkeys | xingu - i don |
| 09:04.09 | liable | is don is good? |
| 09:04.09 | pgpkeys | xingu - i dont drink enough of it to really know a good one. no shame in my game. :) |
| 09:04.38 | xingu | strawks: evince >0.9.2 evidently |
| 09:04.43 | liable | strawks: not that i know of |
| 09:05.27 | xingu | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304575#c12 |
| 09:05.53 | strawks | xingu: ok thanks, I usually use xpdf and I didn't know evince could do that, I'll install it :) |
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| 09:07.34 | xingu | no warranty express or implied |
| 09:08.09 | xingu | personally, I use a thing called a printer, and another called a pen, and a third, called next day delivery |
| 09:08.09 | pgpkeys | 1 warranty.. that there is no warranty |
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| 09:09.22 | xingu | generally speaking if someone wants you to fill in a pdf form, it's a good idea to preserve an non-contestable delivery record as well as a facsimile |
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| 09:11.11 | xingu | mutters something about "basis of claim" |
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| 09:16.13 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:16.13 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
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| 09:24.31 | smartafk | hey, someone in here? |
| 09:24.37 | milligan | yep |
| 09:24.58 | milligan | 825 entities to be specific |
| 09:25.11 | smartafk | i have some problems in debian etch |
| 09:25.17 | smartafk | with sound |
| 09:25.40 | milligan | unmute your card in alsamixer |
| 09:25.54 | smartafk | well, it's a console only distro |
| 09:26.00 | smartafk | and i'm trying to stream |
| 09:26.02 | smartafk | with a tv tuner |
| 09:26.24 | milligan | no idea mate |
| 09:26.41 | smartafk | first tuner has a audio out, so i put a cable from audio out tuner into microphone and it's working ok |
| 09:26.46 | milligan | sounds like you need the support chan for the software you are usng |
| 09:26.47 | smartafk | 2nd tuner doesn't have |
| 09:26.54 | smartafk | not really |
| 09:27.03 | smartafk | in dmesg drivers seems to be OK |
| 09:27.09 | smartafk | even in /proc/asound/cards |
| 09:27.23 | smartafk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.23 | smartafk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.23 | smartafk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.23 | smartafk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:27.32 | hifi | so there are no sid users here with radeon driver? |
| 09:27.32 | smartafk | ups sry! |
| 09:28.01 | smartafk | 1 [SAA7134 ]: SAA7134 - SAA7134 wich is /dev/dsp1 |
| 09:28.16 | smartafk | but when i'm trying to stream, video ok but audio is kinda some strange sound |
| 09:28.20 | milligan | i still dont understand what you are trying to do |
| 09:28.23 | smartafk | like beeping |
| 09:28.35 | smartafk | trying to stream with v4l |
| 09:28.46 | milligan | hifi, stating your question would be better :) |
| 09:28.55 | hifi | actually I did some time ago |
| 09:29.17 | milligan | smartafk, trying to stream ? You have two soundcards in one machine, and you want otuput in one card, instead of the other ? |
| 09:29.29 | hifi | X crashes when starting opengl apps like bzflag but not with glxgears |
| 09:29.32 | smartafk | yes |
| 09:29.40 | smartafk | actually, i'm trying to stream with both |
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| 09:29.44 | smartafk | at once |
| 09:29.48 | milligan | smartafk, plug out the card you dont want to use |
| 09:29.51 | smartafk | separately |
| 09:29.56 | milligan | hifi, what kind of error ? |
| 09:30.18 | hifi | it traps a signal with no debug information |
| 09:30.18 | milligan | smartafk, configure the applications you are using individually, and tell them which card to use. |
| 09:30.31 | smartafk | i did, that's what i'm trying to say |
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| 09:30.42 | Penix | or set up an appropriate asoundrc |
| 09:30.47 | smartafk | but second one, SAA7134, is beeping all the time |
| 09:30.50 | smartafk | wich is strange |
| 09:31.00 | smartafk | asoundrc ? what's that? |
| 09:31.01 | milligan | disable system beep. |
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| 09:31.04 | smartafk | i'm new in linux sound |
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| 09:31.42 | smartafk | i've set up saa7134 as first card, and same thing |
| 09:31.57 | vjoe | hey |
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| 09:32.03 | milligan | asoundrc is a daemon that controls your soundcards... meaning you can easier control which soundcard to use for this and that. afaik. I heard those were crap though. |
| 09:32.19 | Penix | no, that's not what it is |
| 09:32.59 | Penix | http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
| 09:33.10 | milligan | hifi, hard to say, try reinstalling the driver, and/or compile one yourself. |
| 09:33.12 | vjoe | hello |
| 09:33.12 | apt | que tal, vjoe |
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| 09:33.17 | vjoe | :o |
| 09:33.26 | Penix | reinstall it? why? |
| 09:33.38 | Penix | compiling it yourself is just gonna cause more problems too |
| 09:33.42 | hifi | milligan: its the open source radeon driver and works fine on any other distribution |
| 09:33.49 | smartafk | milligan what for? since is all ok |
| 09:33.56 | vjoe | I want to start doing some stuff on Latex, is there a good program for Linux? I have already took a look at texmaker |
| 09:34.00 | smartafk | in dmesg all goes ok |
| 09:34.05 | smartafk | driver is ok |
| 09:34.36 | smartafk | i think some configs with alsa should be ok to work |
| 09:34.41 | smartafk | but i have no ideea |
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| 09:35.38 | milligan | hifi, well, obviously, something is not right considering its crashing. are you missing any settings in xorg.conf ? did you google the error message it shows ? |
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| 09:36.14 | hifi | http://rafb.net/p/ZAEHtM74.html not much to google |
| 09:36.22 | milligan | speaking of graphics .. doesn't the intel driver provide direct rendering ? |
| 09:36.30 | hifi | does |
| 09:36.54 | pgpkeys | milligan - yes. can # out the module if you wanted |
| 09:37.08 | heroxbd | Hi, there is a third party deb-pkg installed. But the original package cannot be found any more. Can I issue some dpkg command to generate a deb-pkg from the installed system? |
| 09:37.19 | milligan | pgpkeys, what do you mean ? |
| 09:37.27 | Wyzard | heroxbd: apt-cache show dpkg-repack |
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| 09:38.49 | pgpkeys | milligan the Load Module "DRI" or whatever the exact line is. usually up around the fonts area |
| 09:39.19 | pgpkeys | I don't have an xorg.conf on this shell to C&P a specific line |
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| 09:40.20 | milligan | pgpkeys, do I have to install anything special for that? my xorg.conf didnt have that setting .. but its running nicely on the intel driver. |
| 09:41.00 | pgpkeys | nope. leave it be |
| 09:41.16 | milligan | cheers.. brb.. restarting x. |
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| 09:42.18 | heroxbd | Wyzard: Great. It works. Thank you. |
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| 09:47.09 | chewed-on | Hey guys :) |
| 09:47.13 | chewed-on | The awesome Debian eh ? :) |
| 09:47.21 | slxix | watching a WW2 movie in Japan feels a bit akward. |
| 09:47.23 | chewed-on | Can you compile Debian like Gentoo ? |
| 09:47.35 | pgpkeys | why the fuck would you want to |
| 09:47.49 | chewed-on | pgpkeys: system runs better when compiled. |
| 09:47.52 | Bushmills | chewed-on: no of course not. all binaries are coded in hex |
| 09:47.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | chewed-on, yes you can, but pgpkeys 's question is valid |
| 09:47.59 | chewed-on | oh ok :) |
| 09:47.59 | pgpkeys | chewed-on - horse puckies |
| 09:48.00 | slxix | pgpkeys: watch a WW2 movie in Japan or the Gentoo thing? |
| 09:48.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bushmills, *grin* |
| 09:48.09 | pgpkeys | slxix - the gentoo |
| 09:48.21 | pgpkeys | i'd agree with the japan comment |
| 09:48.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | chewed-on, theres also Debian from scratch |
| 09:48.37 | chewed-on | hey ? |
| 09:48.40 | slxix | pgpkeys: you have me wondering which one is more tabboo. ;) |
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| 09:49.00 | chewed-on | Kamping_Kaiser: what's Debian from scratch ? |
| 09:49.05 | pgpkeys | slxix - hehe |
| 09:49.26 | agnitio | (I'm on gentoo.. *hides*) |
| 09:49.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | chewed-on, have a guess. perhaps debian done like linux from scratch? |
| 09:50.40 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: too obvious. can't expect people to understand that |
| 09:50.41 | chewed-on | Kamping_Kaiser: so "Debian from scratch" is a compiled Debian like Gentoo ? |
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| 09:50.47 | pgpkeys | not so much taboo, but the speed gains doing a compile on the specific machine are minimal at best, and only if you rebuild specific routines for truly processor specific optimization would it matter enough |
| 09:50.52 | chewed-on | I'm sorry I'm new to this Linux world. |
| 09:51.23 | chewed-on | I'm considering using Debian. |
| 09:51.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. its not like gentoo. its like linux from scratch |
| 09:51.31 | slxix | pgpkeys: sort of like how you optimize a peice of code? |
| 09:51.32 | chewed-on | Get away from this Windows crazy blue screen of deaths. |
| 09:51.40 | wols | chewed-on: so you admit being clueless but still assert it would run better without any knowledge about anything? |
| 09:52.02 | pgpkeys | slxix - should my sarcasm monitor be beeping right now? |
| 09:52.06 | chewed-on | Kamping_Kaiser: what's Linux from scratch ? |
| 09:52.15 | CuBe0wL | hi all! I'm getting this issue : (radiant.x86:2941): GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont any ideas what library I'm missing? I have both libgtk2.0 and libgtk1.2 (the program needs 1.2 actually) |
| 09:52.20 | wols | chewed-on: there is this great site named google.com |
| 09:52.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | FUCKINGHELLJUSTJFGI |
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| 09:52.42 | chewed-on | . . ..whoa. . . |
| 09:52.56 | wols | chewed-on: apt-cache search pango |
| 09:53.17 | slxix | pgpkeys: no. .. :) |
| 09:53.18 | wols | CuBe0wL: ^^ |
| 09:53.23 | pgpkeys | slxix - hehe |
| 09:53.24 | wols | tho it more sounds like a font missing |
| 09:53.27 | CuBe0wL | that supposed to be an answere to me, but that doesn't help. I've tried it :P |
| 09:53.51 | wols | CuBe0wL: what package throws the error? |
| 09:54.10 | CuBe0wL | this isn't a package unfortunately, this is a 3rd party app, GtkRadiant |
| 09:54.24 | CuBe0wL | the map editor used to create map files for quake3 engined games |
| 09:54.36 | wols | info gtkradiant |
| 09:54.42 | wols | !info gtkradiant |
| 09:54.50 | CuBe0wL | I treid the 1.4 version (binaries), tried to compile 1.6 from source, and both gives this error |
| 09:54.51 | Bushmills | chewed-on: in short, contrary to gentoo, debian provides all packages precompiled, those come from debian's own repositories, therefore debian has a more control over the contents. but all packages also provide source which is downloadable per command and package, for those who prefer to compile them. |
| 09:54.59 | CuBe0wL | *tried |
| 09:55.10 | pgpkeys | slxix - yeah you'd have to rewrite the routines to take advantage of say pipelining features, or how a *specific* processor (even down to within the same family) implements say MMX as an example |
| 09:55.19 | wols | CuBe0wL: a warning is no error. read more carefully |
| 09:55.32 | Bushmills | chewed-on: but debian does not have is a command which donwloaded, compiles, installs and configures a package in one single call. |
| 09:55.35 | chewed-on | Bushmills: what about the Debian operating system itself the kernel, is that compilable ? |
| 09:55.37 | CuBe0wL | I cannot see the fonts on the app |
| 09:55.46 | CuBe0wL | like it says: cannot load pangofont |
| 09:55.46 | Bushmills | chewed-on: yes, sure. |
| 09:55.50 | chewed-on | Ok. |
| 09:55.52 | chewed-on | That sounds good. |
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| 09:55.55 | wols | CuBe0wL: whatever font the app tries to use is missing. install it |
| 09:55.56 | pgpkeys | ALL of the entirety of debian is recompilable |
| 09:56.15 | CuBe0wL | yes, but wtf is pangofont? |
| 09:56.38 | wols | pango is the gtk font redering system |
| 09:56.39 | pgpkeys | except for say nvidia drivers but that's to be expected |
| 09:56.51 | wols | pgpkeys: those aren't debian |
| 09:56.57 | CuBe0wL | libpango1.0-0 ? |
| 09:57.01 | CuBe0wL | I already have that |
| 09:57.02 | wols | debian is fully compilable |
| 09:57.03 | pgpkeys | wols - i know that :) |
| 09:57.07 | wols | CuBe0wL: you don't miss a library |
| 09:57.13 | pgpkeys | see my prior comment |
| 09:57.13 | wols | CuBe0wL: fonts are not libraries |
| 09:57.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | finds the 'non-free isnt debian' tightrope a bit much |
| 09:57.37 | slxix | i rarely ever use my computer anywhere near full capacity. |
| 09:57.41 | CuBe0wL | ahh, I see.. but that should download that too with it's dependencies, doesn't it? |
| 09:57.58 | wols | gtkradiant is no deb, so how could it |
| 09:58.09 | slxix | but i think i'd get a faster processor, more ram, or a faster hard drive before i attempt to recompile a whole system. |
| 09:58.10 | CuBe0wL | no, I mean the library |
| 09:58.26 | wols | CuBe0wL: and your windows ttf renderer doesn't download every font in existence either, does it |
| 09:58.34 | Bushmills | chewed-on: dependency management applies to binary packages only. downloading a source does not result in donwloading the sources (or installing the binaries) of the required packages. |
| 09:58.35 | wols | what you expect is silly |
| 09:59.03 | CuBe0wL | nope, but there are some basic fonts, that are shipped |
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| 09:59.25 | wols | doesn't look like your super app uses those fonts |
| 09:59.33 | pgpkeys | hehe i recompiled world for freebsd on a celeron 500 + 256 RAM just for the learning experience. (and it's the only HW i had around at the time) |
| 09:59.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | chewed-on, although you can use packaging tools to get dependancies |
| 09:59.36 | CuBe0wL | the funny thing is, I've had two other pc's, and there were no problems at all |
| 09:59.44 | wols | CuBe0wL: do you have gnome installed |
| 09:59.46 | chewed-on | Kamping_Kaiser: apt-get |
| 09:59.49 | wols | ? |
| 10:00.08 | CuBe0wL | nope, I'm on KDE, I was always and KDE, but like I said, it USED to work |
| 10:00.10 | pgpkeys | a slightly beefier system would make it go a bit quicker to be sure :) |
| 10:00.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | chewed-on, yes |
| 10:00.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | so s/ging/l/ on my last comment |
| 10:00.53 | CuBe0wL | I've been googling, apt-caching now for hours, and I can't find that darn font package I'm missing |
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| 10:00.58 | CuBe0wL | that's why I'm asking |
| 10:01.24 | slxix | pgpkeys: i remember compiling linux on a 486. i hated it when i woke up in the morning to a compile error! |
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| 10:02.14 | pgpkeys | yeah tell me about it :) |
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| 10:03.19 | chewed-on | Thanks for the information guys. |
| 10:03.19 | apt | gern geschehen, chewed-on |
| 10:03.21 | chewed-on | :) |
| 10:03.26 | pgpkeys | i used to be part of the LFS doing betas back when it first started (testing the automation scripts they had for the builds) man I definitely did not like them mornings |
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| 10:03.48 | slxix | !lfs |
| 10:03.48 | dpkg | somebody said lfs was large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch> |
| 10:03.52 | wols | CuBe0wL: do other gnome/gtk programs work? |
| 10:04.00 | slxix | oh dear. |
| 10:04.14 | CuBe0wL | like seamonkey? yes |
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| 10:04.19 | pgpkeys | man hitchhiker is one fscked up movie! sitting here watching it and this guy's fsckin with this kid something fierce hehe |
| 10:04.32 | pgpkeys | !linux from scatch |
| 10:04.40 | pgpkeys | hrmm doesn |
| 10:05.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | missing r |
| 10:05.25 | wols | CuBe0wL: then you already have the "basic font package" obviously |
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| 10:06.02 | CuBe0wL | obviously... in case I don't, what's that package? |
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| 10:06.27 | esteel | hi CuBe0wL .. still having problems? :) |
| 10:06.37 | CuBe0wL | wow, an esteel :D |
| 10:06.39 | pgpkeys | !linux from scratch |
| 10:06.39 | dpkg | it has been said that linux from scratch is uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 10:06.46 | pgpkeys | good catch |
| 10:06.50 | sylence | is the debian fontconfig package compiled with bytecode interpreter? |
| 10:07.46 | sylence | or freetype |
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| 10:13.26 | dutchfish | is there a way to monitor in realtime where the linux kernel is writing to at the moment apart from /var/log ? |
| 10:13.43 | peter__ | How can I remove PCMCIA packages and configuration that was installed by default on etch? |
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| 10:16.12 | Bushmills | peter__: use one of the debian package tools |
| 10:16.31 | peter__ | Bushmills: Yes, but what packages am I looking for? |
| 10:16.36 | peter__ | Is it just a matter of removing packages? |
| 10:16.49 | Bushmills | peter__: to find out, you can use one of the debian package tools |
| 10:17.03 | Bushmills | peter__: dpkg would be one candidate |
| 10:17.08 | peter__ | aptitude search pcmcia ? |
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| 10:17.24 | joelsolanki | Hi room |
| 10:17.44 | joelsolanki | could anybody tell me where i can download debian sarge. i need it badly. |
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| 10:18.02 | peter__ | when I do aptitude search pcmcia it just gives a list of 3 packages, none of which are installed |
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| 10:18.13 | joelsolanki | anybody please ? |
| 10:18.14 | Bushmills | peter__: dpkg would be one candidate |
| 10:18.39 | joelsolanki | i have googled but didnt find any link letting me download debian SARGE |
| 10:18.45 | joelsolanki | any help plz ? |
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| 10:19.39 | pgpkeys | i don't know if sarge is even carried on the ftp servers anymore |
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| 10:21.32 | the-dude | perhaps search for old stable |
| 10:21.55 | peter__ | according to synaptic, there are no pcmcia packages installed |
| 10:21.58 | toor | they have woody, potato, slink, hamm |
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| 10:22.01 | toor | but not sarge :P |
| 10:22.07 | peter__ | and I can't find any activity from dmesg mentioning it |
| 10:22.14 | peter__ | So I will assume no problem |
| 10:22.36 | Bushmills | peter__: what does dpkg -l | grep pcmcia show? |
| 10:23.24 | peter__ | Bushmills: nothing |
| 10:23.40 | Bushmills | peter__: you're fine |
| 10:23.41 | peter__ | But I swear I selected it under the install |
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| 10:23.53 | peter__ | shrugs |
| 10:25.08 | dutchfish | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/ |
| 10:25.34 | pgpkeys | why is it you see someone light a cig on tv and you automatically have to follow suit |
| 10:25.46 | Bushmills | btw, how do you people pronounce pcmcia? 6-syllables "pee-cee-emm-cee-eye-ay"? or three syllable "pac-mac-ya" ? |
| 10:25.59 | pgpkeys | 6 |
| 10:26.00 | peter__ | The former, for me |
| 10:26.42 | slxix | each letter |
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| 10:27.43 | Bushmills | asking because "pac-mac-ya" doesn't seem to be too common - notices that a lot of people don't understand that |
| 10:27.43 | cahoot | Bushmills: depending on your preferred language? |
| 10:28.11 | pgpkeys | the letters actually stand for something |
| 10:28.13 | pgpkeys | Personal Computer Memory Card International Association |
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| 10:28.54 | Bushmills | cahoot: well, abbreviations are language optimisation - but i think that should be reflected in spoken language too |
| 10:29.07 | Bushmills | regardless of preferred language |
| 10:29.27 | Bushmills | acronyms, in this case |
| 10:29.33 | cahoot | Bushmills: well pronounciation is rather dependent on the language you speak |
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| 10:30.15 | pgpkeys | i definitely don't say color the same way someone from england does and that's English either way |
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| 10:30.44 | Bushmills | pgpkeys: color isn't english. colour is. |
| 10:31.05 | ayers | Hello, I'm interrested in EtchAndAHalf. |
| 10:31.13 | dutchfish | toor, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/ |
| 10:31.14 | pgpkeys | color and colour are the same thing. American english versus English english |
| 10:31.24 | ayers | The Wiki states that it would be released with 40r4 |
| 10:31.41 | cahoot | Bushmills: just contemplate how 'Linux' is pronounced in f ex Swedish |
| 10:31.59 | ayers | where would I find indications of when the release process for 40r4 would beginn? |
| 10:32.36 | Bushmills | cahoot: yes makes sense, so why should "pcmcia" depend on local language if "Linux" doesn't? |
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| 10:32.54 | pgpkeys | actually it does |
| 10:33.07 | lolli888 | Anyone else having trouble accessing packages.debian.org ? |
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| 10:33.25 | pgpkeys | many people say lie nux, others leen oox, while Linus says it like Leonux |
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| 10:33.33 | cahoot | Bushmills: what I've heard englishspeaking people pronounces 'Linux' quite different |
| 10:33.58 | slxix | like Lunix? :) |
| 10:34.03 | Bushmills | cahoot: yeah they choose to, there is no law against it. |
| 10:34.16 | cahoot | right |
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| 10:34.37 | pgpkeys | slxix - hahaha |
| 10:34.50 | Bushmills | but other pronounciation than "lee-nuks" are considered "wrong" |
| 10:35.17 | Zharf | ehm |
| 10:35.53 | Zharf | lee-nuks is definitely wrong |
| 10:35.53 | cahoot | haha |
| 10:35.53 | pgpkeys | americans wouldn't see Linux like that. they'd automatically think Lye nucks |
| 10:35.53 | dutchfish | lay-niks? |
| 10:36.01 | slxix | lee-nooks is how it would be Japan, i think. |
| 10:36.27 | slxix | with a silent u at end or somesuch... :) |
| 10:36.35 | cahoot | there's an .au file somwhere to listen to |
| 10:36.57 | Zharf | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1061159908534146317 |
| 10:36.59 | Bushmills | cahoot: two, one in finnish and one in english |
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| 10:37.40 | Zharf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Pronunciation |
| 10:37.41 | Bushmills | "hello i'm linus torvalds and i pronounce linux as linux" |
| 10:37.48 | Zharf | :) |
| 10:37.56 | pgpkeys | yeah that one |
| 10:38.08 | slxix | Oh sure, listen to the guy who can't even pronounce his own name correct. *hide* |
| 10:38.26 | cusco | leenucks |
| 10:38.27 | pgpkeys | to my ear it sounds like lee uhh nucks or Lee on nucks |
| 10:38.41 | pgpkeys | slxix - haha that;s rough :) |
| 10:38.54 | lolli888 | Anyone else having trouble accessing packages.debian.org ? |
| 10:39.23 | Bushmills | looking for "hello we are the Personal Computer Memory Card International Association and we pronounce pcmcia as pcmcia" |
| 10:39.29 | cahoot | no we're all obsessed by psychoacoustics atm |
| 10:39.41 | dutchfish | lolli888, its slow yes |
| 10:39.42 | pgpkeys | lol |
| 10:39.58 | pgpkeys | god i hate using that.. (lol) but it's so true at the moment |
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| 10:40.15 | cousin_luigi | hi |
| 10:40.15 | apt | hello, cousin_luigi |
| 10:40.41 | cousin_luigi | what is the cleanest way to change ownership of a /sys/class node at boot? |
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| 10:41.08 | cmanns | xingu, |
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| 10:42.32 | cmanns | Well, turned out my ethernet errors were caused by high system temps :-) |
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| 10:43.36 | slxix | cousin_luigi: isn't all of /sys/ owned by root? ... |
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| 10:44.44 | DexterF | hi |
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| 10:45.08 | cousin_luigi | slxix: yes, by default |
| 10:45.09 | xingu | cmanns: "cool" :) |
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| 10:45.32 | DexterF | had to ditch fglrx and revert to ati/radeon/r300. now Google Earth doesn't work anymore while for example glxgears works ok. error I get is: |
| 10:45.38 | cousin_luigi | slxix: I can't find the corresponding device nodes in /dev |
| 10:45.40 | DexterF | r300SetupPixelShader: No valid fragment shader, exiting |
| 10:45.51 | cmanns | We also got another adapter installed, my colo guy is kinda nutty but is there any way I can create a lan addy? We got switches and I don't got any access to them and hes not around to gime a static ip |
| 10:46.08 | cousin_luigi | or I could simply add a line in udev.rules |
| 10:47.12 | dutchfish | ok, when i run lsof -a +L1 /tmp i find mysql has some unlinked open files kust after a restart, this is normal beheavior? Those grow in number rover time and hugging disk space? |
| 10:47.21 | cahoot | cousin_luigi: for what device? |
| 10:47.25 | slxix | cousin_luigi: i'm not much help when it comes to these new things like /sys and such. |
| 10:47.39 | dutchfish | s/kust/just |
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| 10:47.50 | zd32nv | how do i mark packages in aptitude for reinstallation (of files and config files)? |
| 10:47.53 | slxix | but i'm just as curious as you are. ;) |
| 10:47.54 | cousin_luigi | cahoot: leds |
| 10:48.05 | cousin_luigi | cahoot: well, GPIO lines in general |
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| 10:48.33 | xingu | cmanns: at a guess your colo has that stuff bolted right down on the switch end |
| 10:48.43 | xingu | cmanns: so regardless you'll need his participation |
| 10:48.52 | cmanns | alright |
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| 10:55.26 | Bushmills | can dpkg factoids contain variables which are substituted against arguments on invocation line? |
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| 10:58.54 | dutchfish | When i run lsof -a +L1 /tmp i find mysql has some unlinked open files just after a restart, this is normal behevior ? Those grow in number over time and hugging disk space? (mysqld 8121 mysql 5u REG 3,2 0 0 5701637 /tmp/ibOPFmaY (deleted) ) |
| 11:00.11 | lesouvage | I'm building from source but it stops because "WARNING: `makeinfo' is missing on your system." and after that "making" stops ith the advice to install it. But apt-get install makeinfo doesn't work. (E: Couldn't find package makeinfo). How culd I install the "makeinfo" package. |
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| 11:01.09 | dutchfish | lessouvage, texinfo |
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| 11:02.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | lesouvage, made sure you have the build-deps? |
| 11:02.16 | dutchfish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bash.info' returned no results. |
| 11:05.14 | lesouvage | dutchfish: I did a very basic install so I assume not. apt-get install buildessential results in "E: Couldn't find package buildessential". Any suggestion on how to install buildessential. |
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| 11:05.34 | cahoot | build-essential |
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| 11:05.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell lesouvage about b-e |
| 11:05.57 | lesouvage | cohoot/dutchfish: thanks |
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| 11:06.59 | cmanns | xingu, it's very nice I can actually burst my house internets full speed from my server now :D |
| 11:07.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | lesouvage, you'll want b-e, but also `apt-get build-dep <package you want to build>` :) |
| 11:07.59 | jelly-home | dutchfish, the deleted file you quoted is 0 bytes long |
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| 11:08.45 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yes, but the newer created ones are not (this one is after a restart of mysqld as an example) |
| 11:09.05 | cmanns | You guys think it'd be possible to switch adapter's with only one ip?, box is remote though... idk if this would be safe to do lol. |
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| 11:10.22 | jelly-home | cmanns, do you have an access to serial console? ;-) |
| 11:10.44 | xingu | says something about sawing tree branches and making sure your back is against the trunk first |
| 11:10.48 | cmanns | nope i could do it from that for sure |
| 11:10.51 | zd32nv | is it strange that update-grub (for kernel line) adds an extra / infront of kernel+initrd images? eg. kernel //vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 11:11.01 | cmanns | lol xingu |
| 11:11.11 | dutchfish | jelly-home, i already reinstalled mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 - 5.0.32-7etch5, but the same. Weird is that mysql-server-4.1 does not on the same system. |
| 11:11.36 | cmanns | If I get another ip address, it'd still be complicated to switch the current ip to the new adapter. |
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| 11:16.38 | Bushmills | cmanns: you could ip-alias the nic with the new ip address, to start with |
| 11:16.51 | Bushmills | cmanns: so it has temporarily both old and new address |
| 11:17.42 | cmanns | Just setup the adapter with the same ip? |
| 11:17.49 | zd32nv | what's the name of the perl code that was designed to check weak ssh keys produced by the older release? |
| 11:18.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | zd32nv, dowkd.pl |
| 11:18.32 | Bushmills | cmanns: a nic can have multuple names. eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1 etc |
| 11:18.46 | cmanns | oh yeah |
| 11:18.50 | Bushmills | and each name can have a different ip address |
| 11:19.15 | zd32nv | Kamping_Kaiser: thankyou |
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| 11:19.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | zd32nv, no worries :) |
| 11:19.26 | cmanns | Ok so give eth1 a new address, make sure it works then make its default address the addy of the new nic? |
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| 11:22.22 | boodie | hi |
| 11:22.23 | apt | hola, boodie |
| 11:22.29 | zd32nv | hi |
| 11:22.29 | apt | bonjour |
| 11:22.36 | boodie | how are things? |
| 11:22.50 | zd32nv | unrecognised command |
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| 11:23.37 | boodie | I am still getting mad with flash & firefox - I?ve etch, and there's no official package that works |
| 11:23.39 | cousin_luigi | is still trying to figure out how to change the permissions of /sys/class/leds at boot time |
| 11:23.51 | wij32 | hey, how do i load my pcmcia module? trying to get wireless card working, but its not being detected :( |
| 11:24.10 | zd32nv | 64bit browser? |
| 11:24.11 | cousin_luigi | wij32: is firmware needed? |
| 11:24.27 | wij32 | cousin_luigi: not sure, to start id just like the pcmcia slot working :( |
| 11:24.29 | boodie | yes - AMD64 |
| 11:24.54 | boodie | A stupid mistake on my side, but now I'm stuck |
| 11:24.56 | cousin_luigi | wij32: what does dmesg say when you put it in? |
| 11:25.32 | wij32 | one sec.. |
| 11:25.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | dmesg would probably say "Ow!" or "Ooh" or something between those two. |
| 11:25.37 | zd32nv | boodie: http://tinyurl.com/2he6x6 |
| 11:25.55 | wij32 | cousin_luigi: nothing really, that i can see |
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| 11:26.11 | cousin_luigi | wij32: what about /var/messages? |
| 11:26.19 | zd32nv | boodie: hunt around for the updated link to the macromedia tarball |
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| 11:26.43 | wij32 | i dont have that file |
| 11:26.51 | cousin_luigi | sorry |
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| 11:26.54 | cousin_luigi | /var/log/messages |
| 11:26.56 | cousin_luigi | and use tail |
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| 11:27.46 | bjk | is random data generated with 'openssl rand' affected by the openssl randomness bug? |
| 11:28.02 | wij32 | cousin_luigi: http://pastebin.com/d54a2cedc |
| 11:28.15 | wij32 | cousin_luigi: i dont think it anything to do witht the pcmcia slot though |
| 11:28.46 | boodie | Do you advise to add the "dipconsultants" repository to 'sources.list'? |
| 11:28.48 | cast | bjk: just out of curiousity, why does that concern you? |
| 11:28.53 | cast | boodie: no. |
| 11:28.58 | cousin_luigi | wij32: no, nothing about it |
| 11:29.03 | cousin_luigi | wij32: does lspci mention it? |
| 11:29.15 | bjk | cast: i use it in some scripts |
| 11:29.16 | wij32 | cousin_luigi: nope. nor does lspcmcia |
| 11:29.30 | wij32 | do i need to load the pcmcia module or something/ |
| 11:29.32 | cast | bjk: ahh. |
| 11:29.35 | wij32 | its not in lsmod either |
| 11:29.46 | cast | bjk: to do? |
| 11:29.46 | cousin_luigi | I never used that, but I guess so |
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| 11:30.13 | bjk | cast: number generatation |
| 11:31.32 | slxix | you can buy books of random numbers. |
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| 11:33.11 | bjk | cast: do you know if that portion of the openssl code is vulnerable? |
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| 11:33.48 | cast | bjk: i do not. |
| 11:33.56 | cast | i would have imagined so though |
| 11:34.15 | cast | otherwise there'd be duplicatish code in openssl me thinks |
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| 11:35.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | bjk, i belive anything generated by openssl should be considered compromised |
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| 11:37.38 | wij32_ | cousin_luigi: sorry got d/c/ |
| 11:37.43 | wij32_ | did you say anything? |
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| 11:37.51 | bjk | i was afraid of that. thanks |
| 11:38.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | bjk, sorry :( |
| 11:38.07 | cousin_luigi | wij32_: no... |
| 11:38.09 | bjk | thats alot of software affected |
| 11:38.11 | enouf | wij32_: pcmcia? or expresscard slot? |
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| 11:38.28 | cousin_luigi | wij32_: you should check out if your chipset (motherboard) is supported |
| 11:38.47 | cousin_luigi | it appears pcmcia is not working atm |
| 11:39.26 | enouf | he was here earlier with a dell broadcom expresscard ndiswrapper issue |
| 11:39.38 | wij32_ | enouf: both |
| 11:39.46 | enouf | O_o |
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| 11:39.57 | wij32_ | enouf: i have an internal broadcom, and an external pcmcia express |
| 11:40.06 | wij32_ | either would be fine :) just want wireless |
| 11:40.29 | slxix | i'm thoroughly amazed by the progress linux has made with dell hardware. |
| 11:40.35 | wij32_ | i believe for the broadcom i need to use ndiswrapper right? |
| 11:40.38 | enouf | pastbin lspci again wij32_ |
| 11:40.43 | wij32_ | ok |
| 11:41.12 | cousin_luigi | wij32_: depends what broadcom |
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| 11:41.28 | cousin_luigi | wij32_: some are supported and you'll just need to install the needed firmware |
| 11:41.30 | enouf | wij32_: as far as i can tell .. but i don't even use wifi - i gave you this url earlier http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=55662&sid=2f8820e3e1d4327b0a7785a8ec1d5cf3 |
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| 11:41.43 | enouf | you said you already followed that |
| 11:41.47 | wij32_ | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d29b61d1d |
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| 11:42.13 | jim | enouf, heya... |
| 11:42.47 | jim | I wanted to thank you for helping me with the cdrom thing, and then following up |
| 11:42.58 | cousin_luigi | wonders what this "Ricoh Co Ltd Unknown device 0843 (rev 01)" is |
| 11:43.41 | wij32_ | cousin_luigi: you think that may be the external pcmcia wireles card? |
| 11:43.44 | enouf | jim: hey, np ;-) |
| 11:44.03 | cousin_luigi | wij32_: no, must be some internal device |
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| 11:44.12 | wij32_ | oh right |
| 11:44.31 | jim | cousin_luigi: from lspci? |
| 11:44.35 | cousin_luigi | jim: yes |
| 11:44.38 | wij32_ | bluetooth maybe |
| 11:44.45 | rdz | hi. how can i find out, what the bus speed of my box is? |
| 11:44.48 | jim | you could try updating the pci ids |
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| 11:45.31 | enouf | wij32_: i don't necessarily see PCIe for anything Ethernet related (lines 16 and 22) though 22 is the wifi |
| 11:45.52 | enouf | wij32_: don't you have a standard ethernet wired connection ? |
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| 11:46.19 | cousin_luigi | enouf: bcm4401 it seems |
| 11:46.28 | wij32_ | enouf: yes, im on it now |
| 11:46.45 | wij32_ | enouf: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 11:47.08 | cousin_luigi | how does the pcmcia port usually show on lspci? |
| 11:47.16 | enouf | 17 seems related to 19 / 20 / 21 |
| 11:47.18 | cousin_luigi | does it at all? |
| 11:47.50 | enouf | yes, pcmcia will show in lspci |
| 11:47.57 | enouf | as well as AGP , and PCIe |
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| 11:48.20 | cousin_luigi | wij32_: pccardctl status ? |
| 11:48.24 | enouf | it'll show the Bridge likely |
| 11:48.30 | enouf | pcmciautils |
| 11:48.35 | wij32_ | cousin_luigi: nothing is returned for that |
| 11:48.44 | wij32_ | do i need to "load" pcmcia at boot or something? |
| 11:48.59 | cousin_luigi | module should be loaded automatically |
| 11:49.00 | cousin_luigi | I think |
| 11:49.01 | nandos | hey i can any one know i can i resise /dev/hda1 partition to the full size of the pysical disk? |
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| 11:49.08 | cousin_luigi | that is, if it's supported |
| 11:49.10 | enouf | wij32_: well, do you have a PCMCIA slot OR an Expresscard one? |
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| 11:49.30 | enouf | the URLs i gave you - and you said THANKS! tell you so |
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| 11:49.54 | snewp | anyone got an idea about the error: no-user in oidentd ? |
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| 11:50.13 | cahoot | snewp: intervening router? |
| 11:50.25 | wij32_ | enouf: i have an externall slot, which is small, half the size of my old slot, which i used normal external wireless cards for |
| 11:50.31 | wij32_ | now i have an belkin n1 expresscard |
| 11:50.35 | wij32_ | which works fine on windows |
| 11:50.41 | enouf | expresscard.org and http://www.pcmcia.org/faq.htm |
| 11:50.55 | snewp | cahoot: i'm on a NAT .. it was working before, it just happened it's not working .. didnt touch any config at all |
| 11:50.56 | webPragmatist | can SCP overwrite only if newer? |
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| 11:51.27 | snewp | cahoot: what do you mean by intervening router ? |
| 11:51.57 | cast | nandos: sure you can, but in future its prob better to use LVM :) |
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| 11:52.19 | jelly-home | wij32, how old is your laptop? My 2005 thinkpad has a buggy ACPI BIOS, and the expresscard works only if it's present at power-on time |
| 11:52.36 | wij32_ | jelly-home: its new, 5months |
| 11:52.38 | cahoot | snewp: just that I noticed identd giving that error since I started using a router |
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| 11:53.31 | cahoot | snewp: never bothered more with it since nothing I use realy needs identd |
| 11:53.44 | snewp | cahoot: port 113 is already forwarded to my box, been asking mr google but unfortunately no avail |
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| 11:54.10 | snewp | cahoot: you have a point there |
| 11:54.12 | dutchfish | snewp, is the process bound to the correct ipv4 socket or binded at all? |
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| 11:55.00 | snewp | dutchfish: when i do oidentd -d ... it says bind address already use |
| 11:55.17 | enouf | wij32_: i would imagine it's expresscard considering your lspci, but why are you looking for PCMCIA things? well here's your 4401 (line 16 in your lspci) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/net/b44.c |
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| 11:56.41 | dutchfish | snewp, ipv6 might got into your way, check that too |
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| 11:57.51 | snewp | dutchfish: can you help me how? i'm still new and learning in this stuff |
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| 11:57.59 | enouf | wij32: anyway - you likely either need ndiswrapper or the b43 (as i noted earlier, your lspci -nn output and VendorID:DeviceID [xxxx:yyyy] were nowhere listed in atleast your Eytch .18 kernel) .. you could try newer kernels |
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| 11:58.41 | dutchfish | snewp, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201958 |
| 11:58.49 | wij32 | hey, when i plug the external card in at boot, it is now appearing in lspci |
| 11:58.54 | wij32 | 0c:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 0024 (rev 01) |
| 11:59.00 | enouf | ... |
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| 11:59.00 | xingu | snewp: lsof -i tcp:113 might tell you something worth knowing too |
| 11:59.06 | enouf | O M G |
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| 11:59.19 | wij32 | enouf: sorry, i didnt realise |
| 11:59.27 | enouf | !spank wij32 |
| 11:59.27 | dpkg | bends wij32 over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 11:59.30 | enouf | :-) |
| 11:59.35 | wij32 | heh |
| 11:59.38 | snewp | you're right it's bound for ipv6 |
| 11:59.39 | wij32 | think were on to a winner now? |
| 11:59.48 | enouf | wij32: update-pciids |
| 11:59.50 | snewp | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 11:59.51 | snewp | oidentd 16510 oident 6u IPv6 30985 TCP *:auth (LISTEN) |
| 11:59.55 | dutchfish | snewp, there you go |
| 12:00.04 | enouf | wij32: then pastebin lspci -nn |
| 12:00.06 | wij32 | ok done |
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| 12:00.10 | wij32 | ok |
| 12:00.22 | lolli888 | Im having trouble preventing this fork bomb :(){ :|:& };: The tail of my /etc/security/limits.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m3d676317 Can you tell me what im doing wrong? |
| 12:00.22 | snewp | how will i change it to IPV4 ? |
| 12:00.39 | wij32 | enouf: 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:0024] (rev 01) |
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| 12:01.35 | enouf | wij32: well , i learned something - and cousin eluded to, the lspci output will change depending on what's plugged in - see 0c:00.0 vs 0b:00 |
| 12:01.44 | dutchfish | snewp, no idee, i didnt use it in a long time |
| 12:01.57 | wij32 | yes i see |
| 12:02.09 | wij32 | that also is still present though |
| 12:02.09 | snewp | dutchfish: no problem. thanks for the hint :) |
| 12:02.21 | wij32 | sorry enouf, maybe i should say, i have two wireless cards, i just want one working |
| 12:02.32 | wij32 | at the moment im trying the external one, which is atheros chipset as i heard thats easier |
| 12:02.33 | enouf | wij32: you should be pasting 3 separate lspci ones - 1 with NO Card in, 2 with your 1390 broadcom ,and 3 with this Atheros One |
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| 12:02.58 | wij32 | enouf: 0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI [14e4:4311] (rev 01) |
| 12:03.01 | wij32 | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:0024] (rev 01) |
| 12:03.05 | wij32 | their the two |
| 12:03.06 | enouf | wij32: i saw you mentioned that - i just didn't realize all the dynamics |
| 12:03.12 | wij32 | ok |
| 12:03.17 | wij32 | id rather get this atheros one working |
| 12:03.26 | wij32 | (the express adapater) |
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| 12:03.55 | enouf | wij32: i think atheros uses madwifi ? Listen, do this; |
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| 12:04.15 | wij32 | ok, i have installed madwifi, do i need to assign that to this card somehow? |
| 12:04.25 | enouf | grep '168c\ .*0024' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 12:05.12 | wij32 | returns nothing |
| 12:05.24 | enouf | !atheros |
| 12:05.24 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 12:05.39 | zd32nv | is it strange that update-grub (for kernel line) adds an extra / infront of kernel+initrd images? eg. kernel //vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 12:05.43 | wij32 | !madwifi-install |
| 12:05.43 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi-install was ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 12:06.52 | dutchfish | snewp, if nothing works out, grab the sources, this might be a bug (not sure), but check it |
| 12:07.17 | wij32 | enouf: do i still need to modprobe ath_pci? or is it something diffeent? |
| 12:07.21 | enouf | wij32: got a plan now? make sure 'main contrib non-free' are in your /etc/apt/source.list |
| 12:07.22 | snewp | dutchfish: ok .. checking |
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| 12:07.30 | enouf | er sources.list |
| 12:07.34 | wij32 | enouf: yes |
| 12:08.03 | enouf | wij32: m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci" <-- see? |
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| 12:08.52 | wij32 | yep |
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| 12:10.29 | enouf | wow, .25 has a lot more atheros 5k stuff than .24 |
| 12:11.41 | enouf | zd32nv: is that grub2 ? |
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| 12:12.26 | enouf | (a birdey told me the installer now gives a choice for grub1 or grub2 - was it a stupid bird?) |
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| 12:13.16 | Skratz0r | waves |
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| 12:16.12 | dutchfish | enouf, correct |
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| 12:16.15 | wij32 | enouf: ok, i have modprobe ath_pci |
| 12:16.21 | wij32 | and no erorr returned, so it looks like its loaded ok |
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| 12:16.54 | enouf | dutchfish: not for Etch though right? |
| 12:17.17 | dutchfish | enouf, etch installer too, but premature code |
| 12:17.18 | enouf | dutchfish: must be the beta testing installer |
| 12:17.22 | enouf | ewww |
| 12:17.42 | wij32 | so after loading the module, i must create the interface? |
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| 12:17.48 | dutchfish | enouf, dont use it with the etch installer |
| 12:17.53 | enouf | wij32: well,install wireless-tools and fire up iwconfig, iwlist, iwscan ;-) |
| 12:18.28 | enouf | dutchfish: i would never - but i want to know what to expect when people show up with these weird gruyb things i've never seen before |
| 12:18.34 | wij32 | yes, ath0 is not appearing in iwconfig |
| 12:18.36 | wij32 | : |
| 12:18.37 | wij32 | :( |
| 12:18.45 | dutchfish | enouf, not all are grub2 related |
| 12:18.48 | enouf | wij32: listen |
| 12:18.56 | blame | how do i delete all files without folders in a folder tree and leave one certain extension of the files intact ? |
| 12:18.57 | enouf | !tell wij32 -about interfaces |
| 12:19.26 | enouf | now, set that up, then /etc/init.d/networking restart or just iwconfig ath0 up |
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| 12:19.27 | hifi | bumping: anyone using debian sid with open source radeon drivers, they crash with my fresh installation, any knowledge appreciated |
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| 12:19.37 | dutchfish | enouf, grub2 and mbr install is a nono for me on etch |
| 12:19.40 | lolli888 | Im having trouble preventing this fork bomb :(){ :|:& };: The tail of my /etc/security/limits.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m3d676317 Can you tell me what im doing wrong? |
| 12:19.40 | enouf | dutchfish: ofcourse noe |
| 12:19.43 | enouf | not* |
| 12:19.46 | cast | blame: with find |
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| 12:19.50 | wij32 | enouf: ok |
| 12:19.51 | homegrown | Having trouble installing / removing MySQL5 on etch - cant do it for love nor money .... any ideas? |
| 12:19.57 | joschan | Hi - the fixed ssh packages are not loaded on 3 etch servers I tried. I did update; upgrade and I have security updates in my sources.list. What could be my mistake here? |
| 12:19.58 | blame | probably not correct but roughly something like this: rm -f * . -R --exclude-*.doc |
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| 12:20.19 | blame | cast: little help please |
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| 12:20.29 | joschan | The blacklist package does not get installed and the vulnkey command neither. |
| 12:20.50 | blame | will it be somethig like: find . -f |xorgs ... |
| 12:20.54 | dutchfish | joschan, did you dist-upgrade? |
| 12:20.58 | enouf | joschan: you can specify =version if needs be |
| 12:21.07 | blame | find . -type f |xorgs .... or? |
| 12:21.23 | homegrown | http://slexy.org/view/s21z90kxe0 -- why oh why? |
| 12:21.27 | joschan | dutchfish: no, did not know about dist-upgrad, i will try, sorry for that |
| 12:21.29 | enouf | joschan: apt-get -u install openssl libssl0.9.8 |
| 12:21.46 | dutchfish | joschan, only save on non mixed repos ;) |
| 12:21.51 | cast | blame: have a look at the examples |
| 12:22.03 | joschan | enouf: thank you |
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| 12:22.10 | joschan | dutchfish: i have only clean etch |
| 12:22.15 | blame | cast: look where? |
| 12:22.17 | dutchfish | joschan, good |
| 12:22.21 | fengor | blame: man find |
| 12:22.22 | enouf | joschan: try mine, if no workey, try dutchfish ' |
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| 12:22.32 | joschan | enouf: ok |
| 12:22.34 | enouf | and yes, good |
| 12:22.40 | fengor | and the use of -exec is preferred too | xargs |
| 12:22.43 | dutchfish | !coffee enouf |
| 12:22.43 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for enouf, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 12:22.51 | enouf | w00h00 |
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| 12:22.58 | enouf | we be brewing babay! |
| 12:22.59 | zd32nv | enouf: i think it's grub1 |
| 12:23.11 | enouf | zd32nv: don't think ;-) |
| 12:23.20 | zd32nv | 0.97-38 |
| 12:23.32 | enouf | gah, yep, 1 |
| 12:23.39 | zd32nv | grub-common 1.96+20080 |
| 12:23.46 | enouf | O.o |
| 12:23.49 | enouf | no no no |
| 12:24.02 | enouf | that's 2 / TWO / 1+1 |
| 12:24.09 | simbioz | :O |
| 12:24.14 | enouf | haha |
| 12:24.24 | blame | cast: the man page confuses me, can you tell me the exact syntax? |
| 12:24.24 | dutchfish | !info grub etch |
| 12:24.33 | zd32nv | i'm on lenny atm |
| 12:24.46 | dpkg | grub: (GRand Unified Bootloader), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.97-27 (etch), Packaged size: 366 kB, Installed size: 804 kB |
| 12:24.47 | enouf | !info grub-common 1.96+2008 etch |
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| 12:24.58 | enouf | !info grub-common 1.96+2008 testing |
| 12:25.05 | enouf | dpkg] Package 'grub-common 1.96+2008' does not exist. |
| 12:25.14 | enouf | for etch |
| 12:25.25 | zd32nv | $grub --version > grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
| 12:25.35 | zd32nv | this is lenny |
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| 12:25.56 | enouf | i made dpkg upchuck a bit |
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| 12:26.29 | oggei | hi |
| 12:26.31 | enouf | dude; "grub-common 1.96+2008" is not grub1 |
| 12:26.49 | dutchfish | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=grub-common;dist=unstable |
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| 12:27.11 | zd32nv | i thought that versions < 2 wouldn't qualify as 2 |
| 12:27.27 | joschan | enouf: for aptitude i would say "aptitude install openssl libssl0.9.8" but what about the -u ? |
| 12:27.35 | enouf | zd32nv: i tried to ask you, don't think :-P (just kidding) |
| 12:27.49 | enouf | joschan: the -u is upgrade |
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| 12:28.20 | joschan | enouf: thank you |
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| 12:28.56 | zd32nv | enouf: so if it's grub2, what about my orignal question? :) |
| 12:29.03 | zd32nv | is it strange that update-grub (for kernel line) adds an extra / infront of kernel+initrd images? eg. kernel //vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-amd64 |
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| 12:30.11 | Fabio_Como | someone has a good URL about setting up a load balancing with DNS? |
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| 12:30.33 | enouf | zd32nv: did you miss what dutchfish posted? |
| 12:30.50 | oggei | Fabio_Como: basically, it's not good balancing with dns |
| 12:30.56 | enouf | joschan: np - let me know which works |
| 12:31.08 | oggei | anyway, it suffice to make A points to different ips |
| 12:31.17 | Fabio_Como | oggei: how can i do good load balancing to apache servers? |
| 12:31.23 | lolli888 | Im having trouble preventing this fork bomb :(){ :|:& };: The tail of my /etc/security/limits.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m3d676317 Can you tell me what im doing wrong? |
| 12:31.26 | Fabio_Como | (apache httpd) |
| 12:31.38 | zd32nv | enouf: yeah |
| 12:31.46 | zd32nv | how long ago? |
| 12:31.57 | oggei | Fabio_Como: tiering a load balancer in front of your server, with vps, an hw balancer, lot of ways |
| 12:32.31 | Fabio_Como | well, i'm working on amazon ec2 |
| 12:32.31 | oggei | lighthttpd with apache battery on rear is a popular choice, nowadays |
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| 12:32.47 | Fabio_Como | i don't think i can set up something "hardware" :) |
| 12:32.58 | oggei | try googling "apache load balancing" |
| 12:33.01 | zd32nv | dutchfish: what did you mention about grub2 earlier? |
| 12:33.08 | dutchfish | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=grub-common;dist=unstable |
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| 12:33.14 | Fabio_Como | so my idea is to make the dns point different IPs for the same domain |
| 12:33.17 | cast | lolli888: whatever inspired you to pick such a nick :\ |
| 12:33.19 | oggei | you can put an apache in front, balancing on a battery of servers |
| 12:33.32 | Deezire | Fabio_Como: add all ip's to the dns and let the dns-servers do tha balancing. |
| 12:33.44 | Deezire | Will not be as efficient as real balancing, but does the trick. |
| 12:33.52 | Fabio_Como | oh okk |
| 12:33.52 | oggei | for every ip pointed by dns' A, a different load balancing battery |
| 12:33.55 | cast | oh, its a interpreted language |
| 12:34.08 | Fabio_Como | thank u for the hints. |
| 12:34.08 | apt | sure thing, Fabio_Como |
| 12:34.18 | enouf | zd32nv: #grub is trying to fix / devel grub2, so maybe ask there as well |
| 12:34.35 | enouf | zd32nv: that channel hasn't supported grub1 for a while |
| 12:34.48 | enouf | (officially) |
| 12:34.48 | oggei | using a dns only based solution for balancing is a looser choice |
| 12:34.55 | Fabio_Como | now I think i will set up the "dns load balancing" because having a lighthttp in front, I think that too much traffic will point to the same machine.. |
| 12:35.17 | joschan | enouf,dutchfish: thank you, the aptitude fixed part of it and the dist-upgrade also brought e the vulnkeys command :-) machines are clean now ! |
| 12:35.36 | itchi | Someone experienced with PS3 and debian? Would like to get tips and tricks about this. I don't know where i should pay attention of about PS3 and Debian |
| 12:35.49 | abrotman | google |
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| 12:36.27 | itchi | abrotman: I'm doinging but there's not yet that much of info about it. Still need to find the #channel if there may be one |
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| 12:36.44 | abrotman | not this one? |
| 12:36.45 | Fabio_Como | i've a question, if I set more "A" record to point the same hostname to different IPs, when a dns client, ask to the dns server the IP address for that domain, the DNS server will answer giving all the IPs list or just one IP chosen randomly? Thank you. |
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| 12:36.54 | abrotman | ##linux maybe? |
| 12:37.13 | itchi | abrotman: Well there's #PS3Linux, i go there then |
| 12:37.29 | dutchfish | still wondering why packages debian is slow for over days now |
| 12:37.30 | Deezire | Fabio_Como: the respons will be all ip's but not in a sorted order, so the client will just choose one. |
| 12:37.51 | Deezire | So evenly over it should balance it quite well. |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | good plan! |
| 12:37.56 | stephbul | hello, I read the maintainer's guide in order to package an asterisk version. My problem is that I'm not able to fin d a defined method to find all the dependancies in order to fill the debian/control file. Can somebody advise me for a tutorial, or something? thx |
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| 12:38.30 | Fabio_Como | Deezire: ok thanks! |
| 12:38.57 | Deezire | But i would recommend a load-balancing gateway instead. |
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| 12:39.17 | Deezire | http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/ |
| 12:39.29 | Deezire | Beats the shit out of lighttpd and squid. |
| 12:40.05 | Deezire | Developed for sites with massive traffic and few servers. I think one of them has like 50 mill hits per day. |
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| 12:40.40 | oggei | youtube use lighthttpd, so it's obviously shit |
| 12:40.47 | oggei | :D |
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| 12:41.11 | NthDegree | oggei: Google use Apache |
| 12:41.18 | NthDegree | doesn't mean it beats lighttpd |
| 12:41.19 | NthDegree | :P |
| 12:41.21 | Deezire | oggei: That's because of its mod_flv, and static file handeling. |
| 12:41.28 | Fabio_Como | Deezire: the fact is that the highest priority issue for me, is to loadbalance the traffic, if all the communication are routed to the same gateway, that "node" can be very critical, so my idea was to loadbalanec at a highest level, using DNS... |
| 12:41.48 | Deezire | Okey. :) |
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| 12:42.08 | dutchfish | stephbul, you might want to delve into pbuilder |
| 12:42.13 | oggei | NthDegree: apache scale also well, if used well, it isn't shit like lighttpd isn't |
| 12:42.18 | Deezire | The DNS should do the trick. People accessing overloaded servers will just get 404 and try another ip of they refresh. |
| 12:42.23 | enouf | joschan: ok, cool |
| 12:42.39 | oggei | Deezire: they will not switch hitting refresh |
| 12:42.43 | Deezire | oggei: Lighty is good, but not as good as varnish at accalleration |
| 12:42.46 | dutchfish | stephbul, or even pbuilder-uml |
| 12:42.49 | oggei | sorry for ur plan |
| 12:42.58 | oggei | varnish seems also good |
| 12:43.04 | Deezire | oggei: Worked fine for me. |
| 12:43.06 | oggei | i'll give a look |
| 12:43.11 | Deezire | But yeah, i would use varnish instead |
| 12:43.23 | Fabio_Como | Deezire: which are the "cons" of using DNS for load-balancing? |
| 12:43.29 | Deezire | Fabio_Como: Bad balancing. |
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| 12:44.09 | Deezire | One server *might* get all hits at one time. |
| 12:44.33 | oggei | you have to point A to balancer |
| 12:44.46 | Fabio_Como | well, yes, but the apache are mainly proxies to many tomcats in the rear. |
| 12:45.00 | oggei | dns balancing is only a (necessary) piece |
| 12:45.02 | Fabio_Como | truly apache's will have to run some php stuff too |
| 12:45.09 | Deezire | oggei: true |
| 12:45.37 | NthDegree | oggei: I agree, nor is my hackery with C to run an httpd under xinetd :P nothing is shit |
| 12:45.40 | Deezire | Real balancing is when you have dns pointing to other balancing servers. |
| 12:45.58 | stephbul | dutchfish: rather than dpkg-buildpackage |
| 12:45.59 | stephbul | ? |
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| 12:46.13 | dutchfish | stephbul, only to solve dep's |
| 12:46.43 | Fabio_Como | now my app is based on a "apache httpd" in the front that runs some PHP stuff for a /path/ is connected to 4 tomcats machines in the rear that do all the java ee stuff. |
| 12:46.52 | dutchfish | stephbul, It is very useful to check that a package's build-dependencies are correct, and to be sure that unnecessary and wrong build dependencies will not exist in the resulting package. |
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| 12:48.09 | stephbul | ok dutchfish, I'm going to try. |
| 12:48.21 | stephbul | dutchfish: tank you very much |
| 12:48.45 | dutchfish | stephbul, you might also want to consulte #debian-mentors for further q |
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| 12:49.47 | slxix | Eek! This website just found dangerous viruses on my debian computer! Backdoor.Win32.TheThing.a and Trojan.DOS.Tornado_Patch |
| 12:49.50 | stephbul | dutchfish: on frenode? |
| 12:50.02 | peter__ | Is there a trivial way to upgrade from stable shipped 2.6.18 to 2.6.25 without recompiling? |
| 12:50.09 | dutchfish | stephbul, no, i forgot wich one, on freenode not so busy |
| 12:50.09 | slxix | If I only had ActiveX i could install the patches! *sigh* |
| 12:50.28 | hifi | peter__: just upgrade it? |
| 12:50.29 | peter__ | Can I download the .deb somewhere without adding test repos? |
| 12:50.45 | hifi | from the mirrors directly, yes |
| 12:50.47 | peter__ | hifi: I am using stable repos |
| 12:50.57 | dutchfish | stephbul, afnet maybe |
| 12:51.12 | hifi | peter__: then download the .deb package from unstable repo |
| 12:51.20 | abrotman | peter__: you can get a .24 easily |
| 12:51.22 | stephbul | I'll look for it |
| 12:51.38 | peter__ | abrotman: Any reason to not upgrade? |
| 12:51.45 | dutchfish | stephbul, http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html |
| 12:51.50 | abrotman | other than no security support? |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 12:52.04 | dpkg | i guess etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 12:52.19 | polli888 | Im having trouble preventing this fork bomb :(){ :|:& };: The tail of my /etc/security/limits.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m3d676317 Can you tell me what im doing wrong? |
| 12:53.22 | peter__ | Better stay with 2.6.18 |
| 12:53.23 | abrotman | peter__: or there is a .22 at backports.org |
| 12:53.26 | peter__ | Don't want my machine broken into |
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| 12:53.55 | NthDegree | hey guys, got a question regarding builds of kernel packages |
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| 12:55.09 | NthDegree | I want to add extra patches to a 2.6.18-8 kernel package, do I just edit the series file for the latest version after copying the patches in? |
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| 12:55.36 | dutchfish | NthDegree, if they dont conflict yes |
| 12:55.51 | NthDegree | i'm pretty sure they won't conflict |
| 12:56.05 | NthDegree | it's just selinux mprotect support and two execshield patches |
| 12:56.22 | NthDegree | (one RHEL5 execshield and it's bugfix - the Xen fixes) |
| 12:56.26 | dutchfish | NthDegree, wasnt selinux already in? |
| 12:56.31 | NthDegree | minus the Xen fixes I mean |
| 12:56.43 | NthDegree | yeah but not the mprotect support to my knowledge |
| 12:56.58 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:57.21 | NthDegree | I want the same sort of SELinux that RHEL does, while maintaining the stability that is in the Debian kernel |
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| 12:57.51 | doublehp | I did "lftp -u doublehp,xxxxx ftpperso.free.fr" then "mput -c mydir" ... and nothing heppened; command returned at once, and, ls shows mydir has not been uploaded. Why ? |
| 12:57.53 | NthDegree | since what I liked about Fedora and RHEL was their proactive security features |
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| 12:58.59 | dutchfish | NthDegree, http://sourceforge.net/projects/debianhardened |
| 12:59.35 | NthDegree | that's out of date now |
| 12:59.54 | NthDegree | most of the hardening that tried to provide is in lenny now IIRC |
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| 13:00.07 | NthDegree | and those bits are for sarge hehe |
| 13:00.14 | Bac0n | does someone here use kvirc 3.4.0 |
| 13:00.16 | dutchfish | ok, just to let you know, it all depends on your needs |
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| 13:01.14 | Bac0n | if i click on minimize all it crashes |
| 13:01.25 | NthDegree | i'm just aiming to get a few small things into the kernel and then hopefully hack SEEdit to work in debian |
| 13:03.36 | dutchfish | NthDegree, no clustering? then it will be easy |
| 13:03.49 | Bac0n | im trying to recompile it with debug on but it doesnt compile either |
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| 13:05.47 | NthDegree | nope no clustering |
| 13:05.50 | NthDegree | it's a home desktop |
| 13:06.22 | NthDegree | I got sick of RHEL after finding bugs that took ages to fix |
| 13:06.31 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 13:06.31 | dpkg | [debianlove] the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 13:06.35 | NthDegree | bugs that were present even at the Fedora stage |
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| 13:10.40 | NthDegree | !whydebian |
| 13:10.40 | dpkg | i heard whydebian is because http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian, http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html, http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
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| 13:18.23 | slxix | http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks is down. temp? |
| 13:19.04 | webPragmatist | does scp copy over permissions? |
| 13:19.22 | joschan | Once I knew a package so i could mount a remote ftp directory in the local filesystem. Can't find it anymore. Does anybody know this package? |
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| 13:20.31 | slxix | avfs? curlftpfs? |
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| 13:21.07 | zibi | hello |
| 13:21.07 | apt | bonjour |
| 13:21.15 | zibi | I have a questiomn |
| 13:21.51 | abrotman | joschan: ftpfs |
| 13:22.03 | zibi | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:22.08 | zibi | i've found this |
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| 13:22.26 | zibi | i can't download all 3 dvd's |
| 13:22.38 | zibi | can I install from this livecd? |
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| 13:22.58 | cast | zibi: just grab the netinst cd |
| 13:23.10 | cast | !netinst |
| 13:23.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 13:23.19 | hoxu[dagr] | "home primary superblock features different from backup, check forced." <-- on the scale from "very bad" to "really bad", how would you guys rate this? :P |
| 13:23.37 | zibi | i can't use netins becouse I have an adsl connecction |
| 13:23.44 | zibi | it don't start |
| 13:23.47 | cast | hoxu[dagr]: can't be that bad if you have a superblock and a backup of it :) |
| 13:24.11 | slxix | are we taking votes? or are you looking for a serious answer? :) |
| 13:24.47 | lostson | so is exim like sendmail in most other distros ? |
| 13:24.50 | hoxu[dagr] | cast, heh... it started with all terminals (and irssi) freezing after \n... then all daemons stopped answering, and when I got physical access to the workstation, the screen was just blank, I smell a new lesson in taking backups :) |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | the netinst has ppppoew |
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| 13:25.16 | zibi | abrotman: i have pppoatm |
| 13:26.03 | abrotman | ok not sure how that is differnt |
| 13:26.20 | zibi | yes it is |
| 13:26.20 | joschan | abrotman, slxix: thanks, ftpfs and curlftpfs sound like what i am looking for :D |
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| 13:27.41 | asg | lostson: it is compatible with sendmail in many respects but is a completely different mta |
| 13:28.06 | abrotman | thank god |
| 13:28.06 | apt | sure thing, abrotman |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | grrr |
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| 13:29.09 | cahoot | a bot wiht a healthy self esteem |
| 13:29.14 | lostson | ok thanks asg i have never used it before |
| 13:29.32 | hoxu | "aptitude: Oh, oh, it's an error! possibly I die!" <-- I wish fsck was as honest when toasting partitions... |
| 13:29.57 | asg | lostson: the exim4-doc package provides very extensive documentation. You can also read it online at exim.org. |
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| 13:30.56 | asg | lostson: erm, exim4-doc-info or exim4-doc-html (depending on which format you like) |
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| 13:31.19 | lostson | great |
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| 13:36.56 | hoxu | my box running 2.6.25.1 started acting up earlier, all remote terminals froze after a newline (= disk write?), and then daemons started freezing too... my only hint is that after reboot syslog said "35 orphan inodes deleted" (for root partition) and "home primary superblock features different from backup, check forced." - any ideas? |
| 13:37.14 | Mdht | Hello, when i run a program through ssh and then my computer falls asleep it ends the program, how do i make it so the program is always on even when the ssh connection ends? |
| 13:37.15 | hoxu | I guess I'll run smartctl checks first |
| 13:37.29 | asg | Mdht: run it in screen |
| 13:37.37 | Mdht | asg: how do i do that? |
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| 13:37.53 | asg | Mdht: apt-get install screen on the remote machine. Login, run screen, then run your program. |
| 13:38.04 | asg | Mdht: you can detach and reattach at will |
| 13:38.09 | hoxu | Mdht, "screen <program>", then check the "Getting started" section of "man 1 screen" |
| 13:38.14 | hoxu | !screen |
| 13:38.14 | dpkg | [screen] allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 13:38.41 | Mdht | its a counter strike server, so i would do |
| 13:38.44 | Mdht | screen ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike +map cs_italy +ip 192.168.1.100 +maxplayers 16 -autoupdate |
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| 13:41.26 | abrotman | nohup? |
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| 13:41.32 | Quibus | hi all |
| 13:41.54 | Quibus | When I'm using graphviz, I'm getting a lot of warnings like these: Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 5503 |
| 13:41.57 | hifi | hmm, my X works just fine if I replace the xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-ati unstable packages with ones from etch |
| 13:42.11 | Quibus | Any idea how I can fix that? I've already tried to regenerate my fonts cache |
| 13:43.20 | hoxu | anyone happen to know if 2.6.25.1 has any IO-related deadlock bugs? |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
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| 13:45.42 | hoxu | abrotman, right, thanks for reminding :) |
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| 13:46.41 | webPragmatist | is there a way with rsync to "ignore exiting" unless it is "newer" ? |
| 13:47.05 | bitweiler | is the apt server still down? |
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| 13:47.19 | abrotman | the? |
| 13:47.29 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 13:47.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 13:48.41 | bitweiler | abrotman: is this apt-get gets stuff from |
| 13:48.59 | Mdht | asg: |
| 13:48.59 | Mdht | madhat:/home/Madhat/srcds_l/cstrike# screen ./start.sh |
| 13:49.00 | Mdht | /var/run/screen/S-root/1868.ttyp0.madhat: No such file or directory |
| 13:51.02 | bitweiler | damn PhrkOnLsh was the on who told my ealier this morning the apt-get servers were down |
| 13:51.03 | peleg | do you know how to set dircolors withing lftp? |
| 13:51.04 | blame | how do I delete all files recursively without directories ? |
| 13:51.14 | bitweiler | guess he was lieing |
| 13:52.22 | Bushmills | blame: find -type f .... should help. read find man page |
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| 13:53.26 | hoxu | blame, something along "find path/ -type f -print0 |xargs -0 rm -f" but read the manual pages for find & xargs to understand that command |
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| 13:53.54 | snuggles` | find has an -exec option too |
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| 13:54.50 | blame | I've been reading the man pages but I am getting confused |
| 13:54.53 | bitweiler | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 13:55.17 | bitweiler | is this right for sources.list file |
| 13:56.12 | bitweiler | because apt-get update && apt-get install package isn't working here |
| 13:56.30 | asg | Mdht: that's not how it works. run ./start.sh once you've run screen. If you want to automate it, you can do so via ~/.screenrc (the manpage provides all the necessary information) |
| 13:56.39 | Bushmills | bitweiler: read error message, draw conclusion from it. |
| 13:56.46 | Mdht | asg: i got it, thanks |
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| 13:56.52 | blame | hoxu: what would be the syntax if I wanted to recursively delete all files except certain extension like *.doc |
| 13:57.23 | stew | bitweiler: that sources.list looks correct |
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| 13:58.07 | bitweiler | Bushmillis: the error msg is: E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev |
| 13:58.19 | snuggles` | blame: find path/ -type f -print0 | grep -v '\.doc' | xargs rm -f or something like that |
| 13:58.21 | hoxu | blame, search for operators in the manpage, there's a not operator |
| 13:58.23 | stew | blame: "find -type f -not -name \*.doc -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f" |
| 13:58.23 | peternix | anyone know what freebsd's benchmarks are compared to debian? |
| 13:58.29 | peternix | Pondering trying freebsd |
| 13:58.36 | snuggles` | make that grep -v '\.doc$' |
| 13:58.44 | bitweiler | peternix: very great |
| 13:58.53 | peternix | bitweiler: faster than debian? |
| 13:58.58 | bitweiler | nods |
| 13:58.58 | stew | peternix: note that you can run debian with a freebsd kernel as well |
| 13:59.12 | peternix | best to use their native stuff |
| 13:59.16 | stew | bitweiler: where can one see these benchmarks? |
| 13:59.32 | Mdht | asg: im trying to find it but cant, how do i make it auto go into that screen if im sshing from the "dog" user |
| 13:59.35 | blame | thanks snuggles`hoxu and stew |
| 13:59.35 | apt | gern geschehen, blame |
| 13:59.40 | Bushmills | bitweiler: what does apt-cache search ^ | wc -l give? |
| 13:59.45 | blame | apt ? |
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| 14:00.03 | bitweiler | stew: the local lug ran benchmarks here last summer |
| 14:00.15 | peternix | bitweiler: did it outperform? |
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| 14:00.21 | hoxu | I don't seem to get any arp replies sometimes in my network, but after running dhclient the next arp request is replied (even though the lease has not expired) - any ideas how to work around this? |
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| 14:00.49 | bitweiler | Bushmillis: 18343 |
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| 14:01.41 | bitweiler | peternix: a little, but you can blackhole port scanner which is nice and run pf |
| 14:01.47 | stew | peternix: what is the application you are asking about? I doubt that there would be many people that have an application where there would be a noticible different in performance |
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| 14:02.05 | bitweiler | which is better than Iptables |
| 14:02.14 | peternix | stew: oh, just overall speed |
| 14:02.26 | peternix | the application I am concerned about is boinc, which is a distributed computing client |
| 14:02.28 | stew | peternix: speed at doing what? |
| 14:02.53 | peternix | I am slowly building a workstation pool |
| 14:03.08 | Masqy | I have a rather newbie question: I want to run mplayer in a window w/o a title bar or a border (I would like to use a projector, and the title bar is really annoying when you try to watch a movie). |
| 14:03.09 | peternix | This machine will slowly become generic |
| 14:03.18 | peternix | so I am interested in an optimal configuration for the machine |
| 14:03.23 | Masqy | Is that possible, and how? |
| 14:03.25 | peternix | It won't be doing anything special |
| 14:03.33 | bitweiler | Bushmillis: is the number correct or should i have more: 18343 is what i get |
| 14:03.44 | stew | peternix: if its just number crunching, and both platforms are running the same code, yo ushould not expect substatial differences in performance |
| 14:03.55 | peternix | Ah |
| 14:03.57 | asg | Mdht: if screen is already running (i.e., you detached previously using CTRL-A-D), you can reattach via 'ssh foo@bar screen -x' |
| 14:04.02 | peternix | Cool |
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| 14:05.03 | Mdht | asg: i want to make it so when i ssh dog@ip and it logs in it will auto come up with a certain screen, like executing screen -r something |
| 14:05.22 | Mdht | and how do i delete screen sessions? :P |
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| 14:07.08 | asg | Mdht: reattach to them and log out |
| 14:07.20 | Mdht | ok |
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| 14:08.35 | cast | i'm using etch, i managed to install ecryptfs, mount -t ecryptfs doesn't recognise ecryptfs as a valid option |
| 14:08.44 | cast | would it be a bad idea to upgrade mount? |
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| 14:11.21 | jintxo | cast, probably wouldn't help. to see the list of supported filesystems (things you can use with mount -t) do "cat /proc/filesystems". never used ecryptfs but if you're supposed to be able to mount -t it then you may need a kernel module loaded or something of the sort |
| 14:11.32 | Bushmills | cast, what does lsmod | grep ecryptfs show? |
| 14:11.45 | cast | ecryptfs 87600 0 |
| 14:11.58 | cast | ~$ cat /proc/filesystems|grep ecr |
| 14:11.59 | cast | nodev ecryptfs |
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| 14:12.01 | cast | yet mount says |
| 14:12.18 | cast | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on crypt/, missing codepage or other error |
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| 14:12.40 | cast | dmesg says 'Error parsing options; rc = [-22] |
| 14:12.50 | Bushmills | but that's not "unsupported file system" thats  bad option or such |
| 14:13.05 | jintxo | ,ost likely "bad optin" yeah |
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| 14:13.15 | jintxo | s/\,ost/most |
| 14:13.16 | cast | hmm |
| 14:13.26 | cast | # mount -t ecryptfs crypt/ plain/ |
| 14:13.32 | cast | but i didn't use any options :\ |
| 14:13.42 | cast | that same command works in lenny fine |
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| 14:14.25 | _LikwidAtom | waves at NthDegree |
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| 14:14.47 | NthDegree | lol |
| 14:15.07 | skormel | hi, i've got a problem with nfs (shares the /home), recently I added a new Hard-disk mounted on /home/new_disk, but it doesn't appear en the nfs network, but on samba it's works. I think it must be a security issue, but I don't know how to solve it. Can you help me? |
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| 14:15.45 | cast | skormel: you have to add another line to your exports file regarding /home/new_disk |
| 14:16.10 | cast | skormel: NFSv3 has this problem where if you have multiple things mounted under a dir, you need an export line for each one |
| 14:16.41 | skormel | cast: but if I add a new line I must mount each one, on the clients isn't it? |
| 14:16.56 | erikandre | Any deb packages out there for sarge ( perl 5.8.7 ) ? |
| 14:17.06 | erikandre | aah. i ment etch |
| 14:17.56 | skormel | cast: I would like, that I only have to mount /mnt/nfs on the clients |
| 14:18.27 | cast | skormel: i think you'd thus need multiple mount lines, but dunno bro. only read about the problem |
| 14:18.29 | Mdht | asg: how do you drop sessions |
| 14:18.36 | hoxu | I don't seem to get any arp replies sometimes in my network, but after running dhclient the next arp who-has request is replied (even though the lease has not expired and IP does not change) - any ideas how to work around this? Packets from outside still come in, the box just can't get the arp address of the gateway |
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| 14:18.43 | asg | Mdht: drop? |
| 14:19.15 | Mdht | when i type screen -ls it gives me 3 sockets |
| 14:19.22 | Mdht | how do i drop one of those? |
| 14:19.32 | Bushmills | skormel: there is a difference between nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server. user-server respects, afaik, the sun behaviour of reexporting, using a command line parameter. kernel-server doesn't |
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| 14:19.41 | asg | Mdht: screen -r <screen id> ; the logout or kill whatever process is running and logout |
| 14:19.55 | Mdht | asg: ok |
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| 14:20.45 | Bushmills | skormel: though you might want to look at autofs, client side, to do the mouting for you. |
| 14:20.47 | Bushmills | mounting |
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| 14:23.30 | mutante | can i use amavis/spamassasin/clamav on mail that i get into my local mutt via POP3 from an external server? i always see them mentioned in tutorials but they talk just about having your own postfix server |
| 14:23.46 | cast | fuck. new mount didn't help at all :( |
| 14:24.05 | cast | still got 'Error parsing options; rc = [-22]' popping up in dmesg |
| 14:24.05 | Bushmills | mutante: some mail clients can call spamassassine. |
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| 14:24.14 | skormel | Bushmills: thx, I'll probe it |
| 14:24.22 | Bushmills | mutante: sylpheed does. no idea whether mutt does |
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| 14:24.41 | mutante | well i have mutt on a remote server, and the POP3 server on another |
| 14:24.53 | mutante | and i hit G to fetch mail in mutt, on the console |
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| 14:26.15 | Bushmills | mutante: in the worst case you could install an smtp server on remote, and use getmail/fetchmail to pop your mail, and resend it to remote smtp |
| 14:27.05 | Bushmills | (though i'd forward mail, rather then get/fetchmail, in that case) |
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| 14:28.07 | mutante | popfetch? |
| 14:28.34 | Bushmills | don;t know that one. popular choices are usually getmail or fetchmail. |
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| 14:28.56 | blame | stew: the example you gave me. "find -type f -not -name \*.doc -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f" it works perfectly. How do I add another extension to the *.doc file to make it two exclusions during recursive removal? |
| 14:29.12 | webPragmatist | how do I make all files readable by oug (but not directories) recursively? ... I remember having to use find and exec :\ |
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| 14:30.06 | blame | webPragmatist: find . -type -f | xargs chmod |
| 14:30.08 | webPragmatist | find -type d -exec chmod oug+r |
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| 14:30.37 | dendrite | webPragmatist: Why do you want files, but not directories +r? |
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| 14:30.52 | webPragmatist | well really i was going to set them to -x too |
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| 14:34.56 | xelapond | Hey, what does the "Standard" category on install contain? |
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| 14:38.46 | Masqy | Hi All, |
| 14:39.00 | Masqy | Is there an option to start a program (windowed program) without a title bar? |
| 14:39.34 | hoxu | Masqy, what is your desktop environment? KDE/Gnome? |
| 14:39.38 | Bushmills | Masqy: yes. run it on console, |
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| 14:40.38 | Masqy | Bushmills: I still need the window. that is, I want it to display the window without the titlebar (it is a movie player) |
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| 14:41.05 | hoxu | Masqy, please answer the question |
| 14:41.06 | Bushmills | Masqy: depends on the window manager |
| 14:41.13 | dendrite | Masqy: Well, as hoxu hinted, how you'd do this will depend on what WM you use. |
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| 14:41.42 | Masqy | I use gnome and X11 |
| 14:42.22 | Masqy | or rather, I use the default most recent debian desktop testing installation. |
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| 14:43.10 | Masqy | Or is it nautilus? or something else. I always confuse WM and DM. |
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| 14:43.43 | Bushmills | neither nautiluis nor gnome is a windows manager :) |
| 14:43.51 | Bushmills | window manager |
| 14:44.13 | dendrite | Bushmills: I'm not sure that was much of a help... |
| 14:44.25 | Bushmills | and neither of those is a display manager |
| 14:45.20 | Masqy | So which one is the display manager |
| 14:45.23 | aleksanteri | Masqy, gnome = DM, metacity = WM. :) |
| 14:45.27 | Bushmills | dendrite: yes. i reserve the right to be of not too much help sometimes. |
| 14:45.33 | dendrite | Bushmills: =) |
| 14:45.39 | Masqy | Right, I use metacity. |
| 14:45.51 | Bushmills | Masqy: DM is something like gdm, xdm etc |
| 14:45.56 | hoxu | Masqy, your desktop environment is gnome |
| 14:46.13 | aleksanteri | Masqy, a DM is software that manages yer desktop and all the apps, WM is an app that manages your windows, hence the names WM (Window Manager) and DM (Desktop Manager) |
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| 14:46.16 | Masqy | Right. So I use gdm, metacity and gnome. |
| 14:46.33 | g4nja` | metacity is part of gnome :p |
| 14:47.03 | Bushmills | g4nja`: "metacity - A lightweight GTK2 based Window Manager" |
| 14:47.04 | Masqy | Oh, OK. But I remember once installing Beryl. This is another WM which is not part of gnome, right? |
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| 14:47.26 | Bushmills | not a part. own package. runs independently. |
| 14:47.37 | g4nja` | yes, its a WM :) |
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| 14:47.51 | hoxu | I haven't heard of Desktop Manager, but there's Display Manager, Desktop Environment and Window Manager |
| 14:47.55 | hoxu | !confuse Masqy |
| 14:47.55 | dpkg | Yes, what was our ferret yesterday, Masqy? lederhosen of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
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| 14:48.47 | abrotman | g4nja`: it's not part of gnome .. FE i use sawfish with gnome |
| 14:49.02 | tmatar | Is there a way toooooo install a copy of named to /usr/local/sbin/named ? |
| 14:49.13 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:49.21 | g4nja` | :( |
| 14:49.26 | tmatar | why what |
| 14:49.29 | Masqy | OK. Once we put things right (more or less). I can rephrase my question: Is there a way to tell Metacity not to display a title bar, and while we're at it, not to display any window borders? |
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| 14:49.44 | abrotman | why put it there? |
| 14:49.52 | gonzaloaf | hi, is it available the farsight 0.0.2 pkg for lenny? |
| 14:49.53 | tmatar | so can i have a tip for a start i have not try install from a terminal |
| 14:49.54 | Masqy | hoxu: Thanks for the short intro. |
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| 14:50.15 | tmatar | it would be in /usr/sbin/named? |
| 14:50.15 | abrotman | tmatar: whta's wrong with aptitude install bind9 M? |
| 14:50.18 | abrotman | tmatar: whta's wrong with aptitude install bind9 ? |
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| 14:50.50 | snuggles` | what's the real difference betweet aptitude and apt-get? |
| 14:51.07 | abrotman | snuggles`: quite a bit .. read the aptitude docs |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 14:51.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 14:51.35 | snuggles` | thanks |
| 14:51.35 | apt | snuggles`: bitte |
| 14:51.38 | tmatar | when i start off on my first debian on NS1 i have install it on /usr/local/sbin but then i don't get to remember how i do it before |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | why? |
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| 14:51.55 | abrotman | tmatar: whta's wrong with aptitude install bind9 ? |
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| 14:52.09 | Masqy | guys: a small question regarding Metacity.. is it possible to open a windows w/o a title bar? |
| 14:52.37 | tmatar | then i also get ns2 running only i think i am out of luck or what i screwup ns2 |
| 14:52.37 | abrotman | Masqy: look at the man page for metacity |
| 14:52.46 | abrotman | tmatar: you're not making any sense |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | tmatar: what is wrong with installing the bind9 debian packages? |
| 14:53.03 | tmatar | what to do? |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | tmatar: why are you compiling bind9 ? |
| 14:53.18 | abrotman | why do you care where the named binary is |
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| 14:54.33 | tmatar | aptitude is kewl :) hahaha like dos think i know how to select just let me play with it the most if i fail i format the whole thing again |
| 14:54.49 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:55.05 | meff | !english |
| 14:55.05 | dpkg | English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope) |
| 14:55.07 | meff | :P |
| 14:55.25 | tmatar | i think i already have bind9 install jsut that its not running like it should |
| 14:55.36 | abrotman | why not? |
| 14:55.42 | meff | then im pretty sure a compiled one wont either |
| 14:55.45 | meff | check your conf |
| 14:55.46 | Masqy | when using aptitute, is it safe (in terms of dependencies) to type 'U' and then 'g' and then 'g' ? (thereby applying all recent upgrades). |
| 14:56.53 | tmatar | abrotman: ok i installed it |
| 14:56.55 | tmatar | like u told me |
| 14:57.04 | tmatar | what now? |
| 14:57.17 | snuggles` | configure your zones? |
| 14:57.47 | Bushmills | Masqy: that's less a matter of the package manager, but more a question of what version you run. with stable you should just get security updates which are fine. with testing and unstable i'd be careful. |
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| 14:58.12 | xingu | given current best practice, debian really ought to hive out a discrete bind9-authoritative, bind9-cache pair of packages |
| 14:58.13 | tmatar | abrotman ??? |
| 14:58.25 | xingu | and make them conflict |
| 14:58.26 | abrotman | configure it |
| 14:58.31 | abrotman | read the documentation |
| 14:58.36 | asg | xingu: that would make sense |
| 14:58.42 | dendrite | tmatar: Why do you need to run bind? What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:59.18 | snuggles` | bind is fun |
| 14:59.25 | Masqy | Well, I read the 'man metacity' which doesn't really say anything about running a specific program w/o a title bar.\ |
| 15:00.06 | dendrite | snuggles`: Meh. I'd just as soon not have to deal with bind... =) |
| 15:00.26 | xingu | Masqy: keyword "decorations" |
| 15:00.28 | stew | xingu: having a caching nameserver which is authoritative for a local-only domain is a find practice however |
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| 15:01.31 | JordiGH | Is there a quick way to see how many packages I have from which source? (testing, unstable, or Marillat) |
| 15:01.34 | Masqy | xingu: but where should I look in for it? |
| 15:01.34 | xingu | stew: sure, but there's no reason why it should be accepting queries from all and sundry for example. |
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| 15:01.59 | xingu | Masqy: no idea, but that's what you're asking your WM to eliminate - window decorations. |
| 15:02.01 | stew | JordiGH: try apt-show-versions |
| 15:02.08 | Masqy | brb |
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| 15:02.54 | JordiGH | Hm, what was the command for counting input lines? |
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| 15:03.28 | Batchy | wc -l ? |
| 15:03.29 | dendrite | JordiGH: wc ? |
| 15:03.58 | JordiGH | Nice, the loo. |
| 15:04.32 | xingu | the other thing debian could do to get ahead of the curve would be to fork as many bind9-cache's as there were cpu cores in an given system and use some packet mangling loadbalancing love to dispatch queries to them |
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| 15:05.20 | xingu | marginal latency cost, _massive_ boost to taper point for max query load |
| 15:05.28 | sandman | God I love Debian. I don't know why anyone uses Windows anymore, seriously |
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| 15:06.07 | sandman | Someone needs to promote Debian in my area, I think. Maybe I should start a business of selling computers with Debian pre-installed. |
| 15:06.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, \o/ |
| 15:06.18 | sandman | Any suggestions for this? Just do it? |
| 15:06.21 | xingu | hands sandman an eee pc |
| 15:06.23 | kdag | how can i know if i need the nvidia-glx or legacy ? |
| 15:06.24 | Bushmills | xingu, not sure about the speedup potential - records are probably hashed anyway, thus search is not cpu intensive. probably RAM is a bigger bottleneck. |
| 15:06.33 | xingu | Bushmills: it's not |
| 15:06.39 | JordiGH | sandman: Don't sell them with anything but stable. |
| 15:06.41 | asg | sandman: if you can do it at a price point that is competitive, you might be marginally successful. |
| 15:06.47 | xingu | Bushmills: bind9 dies in the arse at about 4k queries/sec |
| 15:06.50 | xingu | Bushmills: it's not threaded. |
| 15:06.57 | Bushmills | oh. |
| 15:07.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, good luck :) it would be a worthwhile endevour |
| 15:07.18 | Bushmills | good to know. another reason to avoid bind :) |
| 15:07.22 | xingu | yes |
| 15:07.26 | JordiGH | sandman: I hear that games are important enough for some people to use non-free software. |
| 15:07.34 | xingu | my current religion is nominum's ans and cns products |
| 15:07.38 | Bushmills | using a different dns, to avoid monoculture |
| 15:07.43 | sandman | Well, can someone tell me if this is viable: I want to underbid everybody out there. Here are some things I know: I now have experience with the memmap kernel option. I could, in addition to normal PCs, have like "supercheap" PCs that would come with the agreement that they have, indeed, BAD hardware in them. So the customer, if they _really want_ to do it that way, can opt to buy one with bad hardware. However, |
| 15:07.51 | xingu | but hey, opinions are like arseholes as they say |
| 15:08.01 | JordiGH | stew: Any way to see which packages come from Marillat? |
| 15:08.09 | sandman | This would be with the understanding that the Linux on it would be configured, by default, to work around the bad hardware (like say, BadRAM). |
| 15:08.12 | xingu | infoblox' stuff makes sense too depending on end goal |
| 15:08.15 | sandman | Thing is, I can get bad ram for almost nothing. |
| 15:08.16 | JordiGH | goes to see if the apt cache stores this info. |
| 15:08.29 | sandman | In fact, there's a school district in my area which regularly throws away bad ram. I could get that for free, see. |
| 15:08.38 | stew | JordiGH: not an easy one |
| 15:08.44 | sandman | I could see myself building Debian PCs for like $50 a piece, monitor and everything. |
| 15:09.10 | sandman | Well, I'm sorry this is off-topic. |
| 15:09.16 | stew | JordiGH: the best you could do would be to iterate over packages and see which repositories make a package available NOW (where something was downloaded from isn't stored except maybe in aptitude's log) |
| 15:09.16 | JordiGH | sandman: I've believed for long time that Debian is easy to use, but hard to configure. If you move the configuring from the user to the vendor, you could do well. |
| 15:09.21 | sandman | Would anyone like to discuss this with me briefly in #debian-ot? |
| 15:09.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, personally, i dont belive in selling known-defective hardware |
| 15:09.44 | JordiGH | sandman: Also, don't make them too cheap. ;-) People associate price with value. |
| 15:09.47 | stew | JordiGH: its too bad that marillat doens't add some identifier to his package versions the way bpo does |
| 15:09.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, sorry, i dont go to #d-ot anymore |
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| 15:10.12 | JordiGH | stew: Maybe that's why Marillat deserves to be hung by the balls? |
| 15:10.20 | sandman | JordiGH: That's a good point, I hadn't considered that. |
| 15:10.22 | stew | uhh |
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| 15:10.57 | sandman | If I had a "line", like that, at least, I would at the very least get some (very poor) people using Debian. |
| 15:10.59 | JordiGH | stew: Never mind. Old mailing list post about him in Italian where they suggested as much, but my Italian isn't good enough to understand. :-) |
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| 15:11.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, i dont know where you live, but there are community groups (or isimply groups) doing very similar things in various parts of the world with variious distros |
| 15:11.41 | sandman | $50 for a computer with a working OS is... well, that's like buying Mario Kart Wii at the store or something. Very cheap, especially considering all the functionality one would get. We'll see, I'll think about it. |
| 15:11.49 | xingu | sandman: if you could get intel to get interested in punching the idea of defect management (ie, ecc and lookaside) down into SMM code you'd do the world a favour |
| 15:12.08 | sandman | brb |
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| 15:12.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, depends what you promice. if peoplethink they'll play <some DX10 game> on it, your going to have issues |
| 15:14.07 | sdubois92 | does anyone know of any acpi battery monitors for the systray, other than g-p-m |
| 15:14.30 | JordiGH | sdubois92: KDE's? |
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| 15:14.59 | JordiGH | !info klaptopdaemon |
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| 15:15.22 | dpkg | klaptopdaemon: (battery monitoring and management for laptops using KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 240 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 15:15.43 | JordiGH | Hell, "apt-cache search battery monitor" |
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| 15:20.04 | abrotman | JordiGH: g-p-m would imply gnome |
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| 15:21.00 | abrotman | sdubois92: might be a few in gdesklets |
| 15:21.09 | JordiGH | *shrug* I use a lot of KDE apps in Gnome. If you want something other than the Gnome default, might as well look in other DEs. |
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| 15:23.10 | alpaco | how do i install bind on my machine? |
| 15:23.13 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | not you alpaco |
| 15:23.32 | liable | abrotman: same way you install everything in debian |
| 15:23.36 | liable | alpaco: ^^ |
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| 15:24.05 | alpaco | i entered bind but nothing happebed |
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| 15:24.33 | abrotman | bind9 usually |
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| 15:24.54 | liable | alpaco: new debian user i take it? read the debian reference |
| 15:25.05 | liable | !tell alpaco about reference |
| 15:25.17 | alpaco | sounds like i already got bind |
| 15:25.34 | JordiGH | Ooh, aptitude getting GTK+ for GSoC? |
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| 15:26.42 | webPragmatist | how do you add a user to a group? |
| 15:26.58 | webPragmatist | after it's already created |
| 15:27.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | gpasswd -a user group |
| 15:28.17 | rawb | usermod -a -G group user |
| 15:29.57 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: It would probably be okay, so long as it put that in some sort of agreement. Perhaps, an AS-IS sort of agreement with the customer. What do they expect for $50? =) |
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| 15:31.09 | sandman | I have an old laptop with what appears to be a bad LCD screen. Every so often, a bunch of lines will appear on it, and it will "burn" (that is, turn all-white) around the edges of the screen, and then it'll approach the middle of it. It's rather difficult to describe, but I was just wondering if there's any way to work around this |
| 15:31.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, i dont buy gear anymore - i'm part of one of the orgs i meantioned that did similar to what you rtalking about ( http://www.itshare.org.au ). as such every 3 years ~ i get an upgrade as big companies upgrade |
| 15:31.17 | sandman | I _believe_ it only occurs while in console mode |
| 15:31.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | that said, my laptop is a P3 |
| 15:32.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, i guess (to more directly ans3wer your question) - it depends if you offer it as a charity serverice, or as a comercial one |
| 15:32.18 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: Is there any way to work around a bad CPU, btw? |
| 15:32.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | (sorry about spelling) |
| 15:32.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, dont use intel (rofl). |
| 15:32.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | in seriousness though, i'm not aware of one |
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| 15:33.38 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: I know there's way to work around a broken FPU (at least, I think there is) |
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| 15:34.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, i havent done much research into working around defective hardware - itshare doesnt try and ship it |
| 15:34.26 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: Oh, you mean bad hardware? They only really accept good hardware as donations? |
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| 15:35.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, they only distribute working (to the best of our knowledge) hardware - anything else is recycled |
| 15:35.32 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: Let's talk in #debian-offtopic about this before we get yelled at =) |
| 15:35.39 | JordiGH | Who uses ~/.local? |
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| 15:36.10 | sandman | JordiGH: I'm not even familiar with its purpose. Is it supposed to be a user-owned /usr/local equivelant? |
| 15:36.11 | JordiGH | it looks like Gnome puts stuff in there. Is it probably safe to put programs in there too? |
| 15:36.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, um. if you insist (i dislike the channel personally) |
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| 15:36.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, i think freedesktop.org |
| 15:36.50 | JordiGH | sandman: That's what I'm hoping. I want to put stuff in there as if it were a user-owned /usr/local, but I don't want to overwrite anything important. |
| 15:37.01 | JordiGH | Like my desktop arrangement. :-) |
| 15:37.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | JordiGH, i know in new kde's/gnomes they botyh put stuff in ~/.local |
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| 15:37.53 | JordiGH | Looks like a mostly clean location... |
| 15:38.06 | JordiGH | I'll put my own packges there too. |
| 15:38.06 | cast | anyway i can work out my ram timings without going into the bios or looking at the [in use] dimms? |
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| 15:39.14 | sandman | cast: I recall being able to do that, but it escapes me as to the exact method how |
| 15:39.23 | sandman | cast: So te answer is yes. But I can't really help beyond that =/ |
| 15:40.17 | rlj | is a "cleanly" generated openssh rsa keypair (generated before the bad prng code was introduced), which has however been in use on a system with bad openssh prng to log into remote systems to be considered trustworthy or untrustworthy? |
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| 15:41.18 | sandman | For the record, if anyone was in here when I was trying to find an alternative to the badram kernel parameter, it appears that memmap=1M$0x1e3cf554 == badram=0x1ec3cf554,0xfffffffc |
| 15:41.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | i *belive* compromised, but check http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 15:41.47 | cast | unfortunately i have fuck all chance of reading the label on the dimms :< |
| 15:42.07 | sandman | Albeit memmap being a bit less efficient than badram, in that particular scenario (I still need to work out how much RAM the second field of the badram kernel paramater translates into... I think it may end up being 2K, but I used 1M just to be safe (hence, the inefficiency)) |
| 15:42.09 | liable | cast: dmidecode? |
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| 15:43.48 | cast | Current Speed: 160 ns <--closest |
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| 15:45.39 | rlj | Kamping_Kaiser: hm, i read that and the wiki seems to indicate that only good dsa keys (and not rsa i assume) lose trust after being used on a bad system because of the nature of dsa. but i don't think it's clear enough. think i'll just regenerate the key to be safe. |
| 15:45.56 | rlj | thanks anyhow |
| 15:45.56 | apt | rlj: my pleasure |
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| 15:46.50 | FrankTheTank | when i try to view a .php file on my debian box it trys to download it, how can i make it to show it normally? i have php installed (php -v works) |
| 15:47.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | rlj, regenerating is the safe (if annoying) option |
| 15:47.13 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:47.13 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 15:47.40 | liable | hmm, who changed that |
| 15:47.54 | abrotman | !factinfo php wants me to download still |
| 15:47.54 | dpkg | php wants me to download still -- last modified at Sun Apr 20 14:43:36 2008 by themill!n=stuart@86.53.48.59; it has been requested 9 times, last by liable, 41s ago. |
| 15:48.12 | xingu | rlj: the way I look at it is - if you've used a weak key between any two endpoints then the flow could have been _stored_ and might now have had the key recovered. |
| 15:48.39 | xingu | rlj: or to coin a phrase - take off and nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure |
| 15:48.43 | cast | not quite sure if i should upgrade from 2gb to 4gb of ram or not, i dont htink i can much justify it, most of the 2gb is going into disk cache as is |
| 15:48.45 | rlj | yeah so i'm open to offline attacks, i know |
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| 15:49.34 | cast | but then it might be cheaper to upgrade now than when production drops and the ram becomes harder to find :\ |
| 15:50.14 | themill | liable: problem? |
| 15:50.22 | liable | themill: no |
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| 15:50.59 | themill | liable: I only changed readability in it; the substance was last changed by streuner (I think) |
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| 15:51.18 | liable | themill: just noticed it was different :) |
| 15:51.31 | themill | liable: :) |
| 15:51.33 | FrankTheTank | madhat:/etc/apache# /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 15:51.33 | FrankTheTank | Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading... |
| 15:51.33 | FrankTheTank | Syntax error on line 206 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
| 15:51.33 | FrankTheTank | Cannot load /etc/apache/modules/libphp5.so into server: /etc/apache/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:51.33 | FrankTheTank | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:51.46 | themill | !tell FrankTheTank about paste |
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| 15:52.12 | xingu | rlj: the reprise to this is obviously - if you've only shared _other_ weak credentials over weak crypto, you may want to revoke them, also (ie, deal with the known-unknown; you know that the flow might have be unencrypted, but you don't know if it has) |
| 15:52.31 | FrankTheTank | http://pastebin.ca/1021944 |
| 15:52.34 | xingu | s/be,/been,/ |
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| 15:52.46 | FrankTheTank | thats what happens when i try to restart after following the direction on that page |
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| 15:53.58 | salmenara | hi... I have installed Debian sid and as soon as I pressed Log out from GNOME... it just hangs until "force quit" dialog appear and doesn't log out after that |
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| 15:54.54 | rlj | xingu: yeah. i can feel that paranoia catching up with me :) luckily no utterly essential data that i know of has been moved over the encrypted link, so it's not that big of a deal. but i'll regenerate the key nevertheless. it wasn't distributed to that many hosts anyway, so the keyredistribution isn't that much of a pain either |
| 15:55.06 | rlj | xingu: i can imagine bigger headaches that mine caused by this :( |
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| 15:56.12 | craigevil | salmenara: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 15:56.56 | xingu | rlj: the whole debacle reminds me of a molg song - "butterfly wings" |
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| 15:59.07 | salmenara | craigewil: I still have the problem |
| 15:59.28 | peternix | How can I change my machine's network name? |
| 15:59.36 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 15:59.36 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 16:00.18 | peternix | Cool. Thanks. |
| 16:00.58 | peternix | Ah. Do I have to restart? |
| 16:01.02 | peternix | Terminal won't load |
| 16:01.37 | giwe | What is a good calendar client to be used with iceweaseal for a webdav database? |
| 16:01.43 | Acceos | peternix Yea you do |
| 16:01.57 | peternix | right-o |
| 16:02.24 | abrotman | giwe: i'm not sure any exist .. but lightning is good |
| 16:02.48 | giwe | abrotman: is lightining integrated with icewasel? |
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| 16:03.23 | craigevil | giwe: iceowl |
| 16:03.28 | maligor | why would a calendar need webbrowser integration? |
| 16:03.34 | abrotman | giwe: yes |
| 16:04.09 | giwe | I just want someone to open firefox (iceweasel) and have easy access to the calendar. |
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| 16:05.18 | FrankTheTank | i did the steps on http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload and this is what happened when i tried to restart apache http://pastebin.ca/1021944 |
| 16:06.12 | abrotman | FrankTheTank: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 16:06.17 | abrotman | erm |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | FrankTheTank: did you install libapache-mod-php5 ? |
| 16:06.26 | stew | abrotman: he seems to be using 1.3 not 2 |
| 16:06.45 | abrotman | i dsee |
| 16:06.46 | FrankTheTank | i did the first one :P |
| 16:06.49 | FrankTheTank | let me try the second |
| 16:07.04 | FrankTheTank | hm its stuck at connecting |
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| 16:07.27 | ehird | So. I have a tablet. It'd be nice to use it on debian. It is an el-cheapo Trust thingy. |
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| 16:08.29 | blameless | good morning. would anyone here be using apt-cacher? |
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| 16:08.58 | abrotman | ask |
| 16:09.04 | FrankTheTank | http://pastebin.ca/1021958 |
| 16:09.05 | stew | blameless: just assume yes and ask you real question |
| 16:09.27 | stew | FrankTheTank: you need to kill the other apt-get / dpkg / debconf / aptitude process that is running first |
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| 16:10.17 | FrankTheTank | stew: ok its working now |
| 16:10.32 | blameless | alright. should the sources.list for apt on the apt-cacher server also be changed to utilize the local cache server? |
| 16:10.42 | FrankTheTank | awesome it works |
| 16:10.43 | FrankTheTank | <3 |
| 16:10.43 | JordiGH | "utilize" ftw |
| 16:11.25 | JordiGH | blameless: Last time I set up apt-cacher, no. The server's sources.list file points towards the Debian repo in the internet. |
| 16:11.45 | JordiGH | implements proactive key initiatives. |
| 16:12.09 | xingu | implements proactive pint emptying intiatives |
| 16:12.38 | abrotman | blameless: i think it'll be pretty obvious after you try it .. IIRC with apt-proxy, the proxy did point at the 9999 on itself |
| 16:13.18 | blameless | abrotman: well it works either way. my thought is that if i don't have the server using the cacher proxy, anything it downloads won't get added to the cacher proxy cache |
| 16:13.28 | ehird | :\ |
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| 16:14.25 | sandman | I'm noticing with apt-build that it doesn't seem to be including -march=k8, as dpkg-configure asked for |
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| 16:14.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | find apt-cacher anoyingly intrusive |
| 16:14.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | http-replicator ftw |
| 16:15.26 | ehird | nobody? |
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| 16:18.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | ehird, we are a little short on info to help ... |
| 16:18.58 | ehird | Kamping_Kaiser: there's not much more to provide |
| 16:18.58 | ehird | :-) |
| 16:18.59 | ehird | OK. |
| 16:19.05 | ehird | It's a trust tablet. Trust 400 from what I can tell |
| 16:19.27 | ehird | dmesg sez: [[drivers/usb/input/aiptek.c: input: Aiptek using 400 ms programming speed input: Aiptek as /class/input/input3 usbcore: registered new driver aiptek |
| 16:19.27 | ehird | drivers/usb/input/aiptek.c: v1.5 (May-15-2004): Bryan W. Headley/Chris Atenasio drivers/usb/input/aiptek.c: Aiptek HyperPen USB Tablet Driver (Linux 2.6.x)]] |
| 16:19.37 | ehird | but it doesn't do anything in, e.g. gimp |
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| 16:20.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | ehird, which release? sounds like its recognised, just not usable |
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| 16:20.31 | ehird | Kamping_Kaiser: stable |
| 16:20.38 | ehird | Kamping_Kaiser: hey, maybe my tablet pen's batteries have run out. heh. |
| 16:20.47 | ehird | i'll quickly explore other possibilities first, though. |
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| 16:22.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ehird, i'm not overly familar with xorg, so i cant help configuring (say) the tablet to be a 2nd mouse |
| 16:22.33 | ehird | :< |
| 16:22.44 | pablo` | hi, doe anyone has a guide to use netinstall from a usb pendrive? |
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| 16:24.13 | cast | i'm sort of doing that right now |
| 16:24.19 | cast | with the eee usb img |
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| 16:24.57 | pablo` | cast: eee img? |
| 16:25.28 | cast | asus eee, there's a sepcial usb image for it |
| 16:26.05 | pablo` | cast: for asus? or for pendrives? |
| 16:26.15 | cast | both. |
| 16:26.26 | cast | you don't know what a eee is huh? |
| 16:26.48 | pablo` | no idea |
| 16:27.50 | cast | ahh. they were really the first really cheap and small laptops to catch on in the market, 2-8GB flash drives, 7" lcd, maybe they have 9" ones now. comes installed with a modified xandros |
| 16:28.20 | ehird | cast: you make them sound old |
| 16:28.23 | trifler | whats the name of that cli based e-mail client i always forget :P |
| 16:28.32 | azeem | mutt? |
| 16:28.32 | ehird | trifler: mutt,pine? |
| 16:28.35 | trifler | mutt |
| 16:28.36 | trifler | ty |
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| 16:28.47 | South3rn | Hi |
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| 16:29.30 | cast | ehird: mines a whole month old! |
| 16:29.46 | South3rn | anyone knows how to fix this error while trying to run gsopcast? gsopcast: mixer.c:814: snd_mixer_elem_next: La declaración `elem' no se cumple. |
| 16:29.47 | South3rn | Abortado |
| 16:29.47 | South3rn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.47 | apt | South3rn: bitte |
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| 16:32.14 | bitweiler | hey, why apt-get --purge or remove will not remove gpg? |
| 16:32.32 | cast | why pray tell do you want to remove gpg |
| 16:32.40 | azeem | bitweiler: gpg is not a package |
| 16:32.50 | xand | bitweiler: you don't want to do that |
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| 16:33.14 | bitweiler | xand: yes i did why would you say that |
| 16:33.35 | bitweiler | s/did/do/ |
| 16:33.41 | xand | no you don't |
| 16:33.42 | oggei | cause you still don't know that you really don't want to do that :P |
| 16:33.51 | azeem | bitweiler: apt depends on gnupg these days |
| 16:33.55 | xand | if you think you do, you're wrong |
| 16:34.04 | azeem | well, suggests, my bad |
| 16:34.24 | xand | bitweiler: anyway the package is gnupg |
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| 16:34.48 | ehird | bitweiler: why do you want to |
| 16:34.49 | bitweiler | okay, but i want the gpg from pkgsrc instead that's why |
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| 16:34.55 | ehird | bitweiler: that won't work |
| 16:35.03 | bitweiler | why not |
| 16:35.12 | ehird | bitweiler: because it won't work |
| 16:35.13 | ehird | :-) |
| 16:35.16 | cast | why don't you keep your pkgsrc software stack seperate |
| 16:35.39 | bitweiler | hmm... |
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| 16:36.50 | ninjaslim | how should i go about installing kde 4-dev on my system |
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| 16:39.50 | Kurtism | anybody know what an A beside a package means? such as this aptitude output: i A liba52-0.7.4 |
| 16:40.02 | Kurtism | aptitude search liba52 gives me this |
| 16:40.08 | Kurtism | i A liba52-0.7.4 |
| 16:40.20 | Kurtism | what does that A mean? |
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| 16:46.08 | Ryan52 | How do you disable a password for a user so that they can only ssh in using a public key? I tried `passwd -l user` and that worked. Except the on the sid and the lenny system it made my account expire in 1970. So then I couldnt get in at all. |
| 16:46.31 | oggei | disable relevant parts in sshd conf |
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| 16:47.06 | Ryan52 | but how do I disable my password if I am physically at the machine? (My password got compromised) |
| 16:47.37 | oggei | you can change it |
| 16:47.46 | Ryan52 | but I dont want a password. |
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| 16:48.06 | oggei | that's a problem. |
| 16:48.28 | XLV | Ryan52, your password got compromissed and now you dont want one? |
| 16:48.33 | Ryan52 | yup. |
| 16:48.40 | Ryan52 | I dont need one. |
| 16:48.43 | XLV | how is that logical? |
| 16:49.04 | oggei | you can disable password auth in ssh |
| 16:49.09 | Ryan52 | The only time I ever connect is ssh and I always have access to my key. |
| 16:49.20 | oggei | it's the right way to do that |
| 16:49.30 | Ryan52 | okay, I will just do that... |
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| 16:49.43 | xand | passwd -l should work o.O |
| 16:49.56 | xand | you could manually fiddle /etc/shadow |
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| 16:50.00 | Ryan52 | I know...but on lenny and sid it expires my account. |
| 16:50.48 | oggei | lot of other things will breaks if you haven't a pass |
| 16:50.59 | oggei | as passwd(5) tell you |
| 16:51.06 | Ryan52 | I've been fine on all of the etch systems |
| 16:51.25 | oggei | you got lucky making a wrong thing |
| 16:51.40 | oggei | :) |
| 16:51.50 | Ryan52 | ah. |
| 16:51.58 | xand | Ryan52: changing the password field in /etc/shadow to "!" will do it, but not sure if it's wise |
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| 16:52.23 | xand | Ryan52: change the password to something long and random? or disable passwords for ssh |
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| 16:52.45 | Ryan52 | `passwd -d` looks like it will work. |
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| 16:55.07 | xand | I do like that passwd -l completely locks it out on new versions though |
| 16:55.33 | xand | because "passwd -l"'s behaviour before was just pointless |
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| 17:01.46 | peterunix | What is the current suggested gnutella client? |
| 17:01.49 | peterunix | that is free |
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| 17:03.32 | codeamuk1 | ‰/quit |
| 17:03.33 | kdag | how can one save the current parameters of xsetroot so to have them applied at next boot? |
| 17:05.03 | JordiGH | Isn't Limewire free? |
| 17:05.18 | JordiGH | Oh, too late. |
| 17:05.44 | Bushmills | Ryan52: i suppose you can use a script as your login shell, which tests for environment variable SSH_CONNECTION or similar, and only calls bash if defined. never tried that, though |
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| 17:06.18 | Ryan52 | okay. |
| 17:06.57 | JordiGH | Hm, there's an ITP for frostwire, but not for limewire. |
| 17:07.35 | XLV | mldonkey iirc supports gnutella |
| 17:07.50 | Bushmills | Ryan52: other than that, pam has probably something to offer too |
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| 17:11.34 | bluesceada | $ openoffice |
| 17:11.34 | bluesceada | javaldx failed! |
| 17:11.38 | bluesceada | anyone has a quickfix? |
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| 17:14.41 | Bushmills | $ openoffice |
| 17:14.44 | Bushmills | (starts) |
| 17:14.47 | Bushmills | fixed |
| 17:17.01 | assem | lol |
| 17:18.44 | mbroeker | bluesceada, oops, i have java 1.6 installed and it seems not to be compatible with openoffice. |
| 17:19.06 | bluesceada | mbroeker: ah.. |
| 17:19.19 | bluesceada | so what? |
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| 17:19.58 | mbroeker | when i start openoffice, it says: javaldx failed and my jdbc driver doesn't work anymore bluesceada |
| 17:20.11 | bluesceada | eh? |
| 17:20.44 | bluesceada | in all this mess of java packages, which do i need to install :S |
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| 17:22.54 | BubbaT | I have a list of files, I want to grep them for those that conatin jpg or png or gif. How can I do that? |
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| 17:24.58 | hoxu | BubbaT, long answer is to check the grep manual for "regular expressions" section, there is also tons of tutorials in the internet for regex, I suggest you learn the syntax |
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| 17:25.44 | hoxu | BubbaT, short answer is to use something like "|egrep '(jpg|png|gif)$'" |
| 17:25.58 | JordiGH | BubbaT: The files contain those strings or you want to find image files? |
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| 17:27.09 | BubbaT | hoxu, thanks. |
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| 17:31.17 | bluesceada | ok openoffice.org(+deps) and openoffice.org-java-common upgrade(did not update automatically) to unstable did help it |
| 17:31.42 | hoxu | bluesceada, I hope you aren't mixing stable/testing + unstable packages |
| 17:31.50 | bluesceada | of what? |
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| 17:32.00 | bluesceada | the system is testing mainly |
| 17:32.08 | bluesceada | some unstable packages |
| 17:32.14 | hoxu | ah, pinning? |
| 17:32.17 | bluesceada | yeh |
| 17:32.29 | hoxu | nevermind then :p |
| 17:32.37 | bluesceada | nevermind what |
| 17:32.44 | bluesceada | openoffice was testing earlier |
| 17:32.50 | eljefe | Can anyone help me to set up an older HP Scanner on my Lenny system? It worked out of the box in the *buntu but I don't seem to have so much luck here. http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-hp5400.5.html |
| 17:32.55 | hoxu | bluesceada, just disregard my remarks |
| 17:32.59 | bluesceada | i do never install unstable stuff if i see crazy dependency calculation stuff |
| 17:33.06 | bluesceada | ok |
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| 17:33.48 | bluesceada | eljefe: are you in the "scanner" group |
| 17:33.58 | bluesceada | eljefe: did you try it as root |
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| 17:35.02 | eljefe | bluesceada: I am not, but as root it did work. I'll add meself to that group, hanks a lot! |
| 17:35.09 | eljefe | \\thanks |
| 17:35.10 | bluesceada | yeh |
| 17:35.16 | bluesceada | than that's probably it :) |
| 17:35.39 | bluesceada | maybe you need to re-login then |
| 17:35.41 | eljefe | yep i think so |
| 17:36.02 | eljefe | root works for now for this app i think... not doing anything *too* dumb AFAIK |
| 17:36.12 | bluesceada | ? |
| 17:36.32 | eljefe | just not smart to run as root |
| 17:36.53 | mbroeker | bluesceada, i have a quick fix: mv ~/.openoffice.org2 openoffice.org2 |
| 17:36.59 | bluesceada | it's not too risky imho, it's not some network application |
| 17:37.08 | mbroeker | bluesceada, start openoffice and it works again |
| 17:37.11 | bluesceada | mbroeker: i did try that, but didn't work |
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| 17:37.56 | crazyfrog | when i booting ,it says "setting up ALSA ...done Give root passwd for maintenance or Ctrl D contiune" .if i continue ,i even can get into kde and connect to internet.what wrong with it? |
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| 17:38.31 | eljefe | crazyfrog: it sounds to me like a partition is missing, maybe your /home or something? |
| 17:40.03 | crazyfrog | i checked it,all partition has mounted |
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| 17:40.36 | hoxu | crazyfrog, anything from fsck? Do you remember changing anything in particular? Did you upgrade anything lately / what debian version? |
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| 17:41.35 | eljefe | have you rebooted to see if it happens again? |
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| 17:41.49 | crazyfrog | i just installed CentOS |
| 17:42.29 | crazyfrog | I installed it in a partition i never used |
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| 17:43.22 | hoxu | crazyfrog, perhaps it replaced the bootloader with entries that boot your debian into single user mode? |
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| 17:45.22 | crazyfrog | but in debian ,/etc/inittab , default init is 2 |
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| 17:46.50 | hoxu | crazyfrog, what does "cat /proc/cmdline" say? |
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| 17:47.37 | sandman | I used apt-build install on a package, and did not see a "-march" line in any of them that flew past during the compile |
| 17:47.49 | sandman | Does this mean that apt-build failed to apply the CFLAG? |
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| 17:48.14 | sandman | I only wonder since dpkg-reconfigure asked for a particular architecture, to which I entered k8 |
| 17:48.17 | sandman | But no such line is there. |
| 17:48.22 | crazyfrog | you are right,it says :root=/dev/hdc6 ro single |
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| 17:49.01 | hoxu | crazyfrog, then it's up to you to choose whether you want to update-grub from debian and add the entries for CentOS, or do it from CentOS side |
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| 17:49.37 | crazyfrog | thanks |
| 17:49.37 | apt | crazyfrog: de rien |
| 17:49.58 | bitweiler` | !dpkg openssl |
| 17:49.58 | dpkg | [openssl] the OpenSource version of Secure Socket Layer, or http://www.openssl.org/ |
| 17:50.59 | hoxu | bitweiler`, topic |
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| 17:51.41 | bitweiler` | hoxu: ? |
| 17:51.42 | sts | hello folks. |
| 17:51.47 | bitweiler` | hi sts |
| 17:52.02 | sts | what can i do to regenerate my /etc/apt/*.gpg stuff? |
| 17:52.04 | hoxu | bitweiler`, I'm assuming you were looking for the openssl vulnerability info, see the topic for that |
| 17:52.23 | sts | my trustdb.gpg|trusted.gpg are all 0 bytes. |
| 17:52.46 | bitweiler` | hoxu: no how to remove the debian openssl package |
| 17:53.10 | hoxu | sts, just a wild guess but how about "apt-key update"? |
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| 17:53.44 | hoxu | bitweiler`, "dpkg -l '*openssl*'" and then "aptitude purge" whatever you want to remove |
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| 17:55.09 | sts | hoxu: ah. right, i just forgot to run it as root, thats why it didn't work at first. |
| 17:55.12 | sts | thank you |
| 17:55.12 | apt | sure thing, sts |
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| 17:55.15 | sts | :) |
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| 18:01.55 | xelapond | Anyone know where to get Propietary NVidia drivers fir X? |
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| 18:02.19 | xelapond | I have a 7600GT |
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| 18:02.53 | [Hugo] | can anyone help me install libssl0.9.8 on debian etch (apt-get install libssl doesnt work) |
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| 18:04.27 | antgel | xelapond: please tell us what you have attempted to do so far, in order to solve your issue |
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| 18:04.56 | hoxu | !tell [Hugo] about ssl update |
| 18:04.57 | xelapond | antgel: I have installed xserver-xorg and successfully ran teh startx command |
| 18:05.08 | bsod | Hello, quick question, mkinitramfs does not genereate a depmod, which generates.. well.. FATAL stuff. How can i make it behave? |
| 18:05.09 | xelapond | I now have a thatched background with a small terminal in the upper left |
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| 18:05.20 | hoxu | !tell xelapond about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:05.34 | xelapond | hoxu: ? |
| 18:05.38 | antgel | hoxu: is that really what he needs? |
| 18:05.41 | xelapond | Not tell me? |
| 18:05.47 | antgel | xelapond: install a window manager |
| 18:05.53 | xelapond | ok |
| 18:06.05 | xelapond | then worry about drivers? |
| 18:06.11 | hoxu | antgel, xelapond wanted nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| 18:06.21 | xelapond | Yeah, I do |
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| 18:06.44 | xelapond | I want 3D acceleration, as much as it pains me to run propietary software |
| 18:06.46 | antgel | hoxu: he thought he did. then i asked him what the problem was. the problem he sees is nothing to do with proprietary drivers |
| 18:07.20 | xelapond | No, I am not having a "problem", I just want the drivers |
| 18:07.25 | hoxu | hmm |
| 18:07.32 | [Hugo] | thanks ppl |
| 18:07.32 | apt | [Hugo]: no problem |
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| 18:07.35 | kibibyte | hi |
| 18:07.35 | apt | que tal |
| 18:07.41 | [Hugo] | massa |
| 18:07.54 | cusco | lol |
| 18:07.55 | [Hugo] | depois conto se consegui |
| 18:08.02 | antgel | apt! |
| 18:08.04 | hoxu | !es |
| 18:08.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:08.28 | xelapond | if I run apt-get install gnome-desktop will that install a bunch of programs with it? |
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| 18:08.58 | stew | xelapond: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 18:09.13 | xelapond | ok |
| 18:09.15 | kibibyte | i have problem with openoffice , when im scrolling any box in it (document,file open dialog) i see grey area which overlap content , please help with it |
| 18:09.17 | antgel | xelapond: there is no gnome-desktop package afaik |
| 18:09.40 | xelapond | Oh, this one website said there were |
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| 18:09.58 | kibibyte | do you know some other good office suit, open office looks buggy |
| 18:10.01 | antgel | xelapond: try reading debian's documentation |
| 18:10.08 | bitweiler` | fails on the floor in laughter |
| 18:10.24 | xelapond | ok |
| 18:10.28 | kibibyte | help |
| 18:10.28 | el_isma | Is there a *really* easy way to make packages? I want to package a program I'm compiling (and I don't plan on distributing the package) |
| 18:10.55 | antgel | el_isma: have you read the NMG? |
| 18:10.58 | el_isma | kibibyte: Koffice |
| 18:11.18 | kibibyte | is it good |
| 18:11.30 | hoxu | el_isma, checkinstall perhaps |
| 18:11.39 | antgel | !tell kibibyte about smart questions |
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| 18:11.50 | antgel | am i good? |
| 18:11.55 | el_isma | antgel: I skimmed over it, it seems to be more complex than I have time to understand it |
| 18:11.58 | antgel | chuckles |
| 18:12.19 | antgel | el_isma: unfortunately, to learn the good things, you have to put some effort in |
| 18:12.30 | stew | i wonder if dh_make has been made dh 7 aware yet |
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| 18:13.01 | el_isma | antgel: Agreed. I was just wondering if there was a simple method to avoid doing make install, and have apt keep track of the installed files |
| 18:13.09 | antgel | el_isma: put another way, if you don't have time to read it but have time to ask on irc, people will wonder why! |
| 18:13.33 | antgel | el_isma: just have a go. it's not rocket science. then, when you have a problem, ask |
| 18:13.48 | hoxu | antgel, there's always time for IRC, it does not follow the regular constraints of time |
| 18:13.57 | XLV | antgel, any link for nmg? whats that? |
| 18:14.03 | antgel | hoxu: of course, my apologies :) |
| 18:14.03 | hoxu | !tell XLV about nmg |
| 18:14.12 | el_isma | checkinstall seems to do what I want |
| 18:14.15 | jammyd | el_isma: There is a simple method, and antgel has told you about it -- just perservere with the docs |
| 18:14.20 | antgel | XLV: ask dpkg. ask google. have a go at least |
| 18:14.29 | xelapond | The debian documentation says I should run aptitude install gnome |
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| 18:14.40 | xelapond | but That includes a bunch of stuff I don't want |
| 18:14.41 | antgel | go docs! |
| 18:14.45 | troubled | has anyone here figured out what setting the isc dhcpd in etch needs in order to support/work with vista dhcp with all this broadcast flag bruhaha and not require the regedit tweak? |
| 18:14.56 | xelapond | Is there a package for a very minimal gnome setup? |
| 18:15.05 | XLV | hoxu, btw the link on dpkg's quote has a , attached to it so it doesnt open directly.. |
| 18:15.10 | antgel | xelapond: aptitude show gnome. look at the packages that it pulls in |
| 18:15.36 | antgel | !nmg |
| 18:15.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 18:15.42 | bitweiler` | xelapond:compile it from source then |
| 18:16.02 | antgel | XLV: your browser only opens what you paste |
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| 18:16.28 | xelapond | Ill just remove what I don't want |
| 18:16.34 | xelapond | it doesn't look like that much |
| 18:16.39 | xelapond | Better then Ubuntu :D |
| 18:16.43 | antgel | xelapond: how about you listen to my good advice? |
| 18:16.45 | hoxu | XLV, fixed |
| 18:16.50 | antgel | actually, DWYW |
| 18:17.00 | xelapond | antgel: aptitude show gnome? |
| 18:17.01 | abrotman | hoxu: refixed |
| 18:17.15 | snuggles` | how can i make my terminal to open links with firefox instead of epiphany? |
| 18:17.20 | dutchfish | troubled, nothing special accept default gw, netmask, wins prim, optional time server |
| 18:17.21 | antgel | xelapond: what sort of a question is that? |
| 18:17.25 | hoxu | steals abrotman |
| 18:17.29 | XLV | antgel, i dont need to read it, i just couldnt find something in google for nmg.. couldnt relate nmg to new maintainer's guide.. and yeah, my browser opens what i paste, but my irc client allows links to be opened into browser, so that link should be http://www.debian.org/devel/ and not http://www.debian.org/devel/, |
| 18:17.31 | hoxu | hmm, that turned out scary. |
| 18:17.31 | zinx | xelapond: you can install just the gnome packages you want to use |
| 18:17.36 | antgel | snuggles`: in gnome, it's in the preferred applications in the preferences |
| 18:17.41 | zinx | xelapond: we don't know what those are, so we can't tell you what they are.. |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | snuggles`: chnage the gnome perferred apps |
| 18:17.44 | snuggles` | antgel: thanks |
| 18:17.51 | XLV | hoxu, thanks |
| 18:17.55 | xelapond | ok, where do I fund the documentation for that? |
| 18:17.57 | zinx | xelapond: aptitude will handle installing any required dependencies |
| 18:17.58 | antgel | XLV: your irc client is broken |
| 18:18.02 | troubled | dutchfish: hmm, so you got it to work np? odd, been hit and miss on this laptop. mostly miss though |
| 18:18.10 | xelapond | oh |
| 18:18.13 | xelapond | thats nice to know |
| 18:18.24 | xelapond | zinx: where is the documentation on doing that? |
| 18:18.26 | zinx | xelapond: there's no documentation on the packages, only their package descriptions. you can browse them with aptitude. |
| 18:18.28 | antgel | !tell xelapond about grounding |
| 18:18.33 | XLV | !nmg |
| 18:18.33 | dpkg | i guess nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 18:18.45 | XLV | heh, thats better.. |
| 18:18.46 | zinx | xelapond: you install the packages you want the same way you install anything else, with aptitude |
| 18:18.49 | dutchfish | troubled, if you have troubles, waste the ipv6 and keep the rest in vista |
| 18:18.50 | troubled | dutchfish: i can see dhcpd offering it an IP like 10 times in a row and it sees the requests, it just does accept it unless I enable that forced bcast flag to disabled |
| 18:18.53 | XLV | antgel, how is the irc client broken? |
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| 18:19.11 | zinx | xelapond: or <insert your favorite .deb package manager here> |
| 18:19.14 | XLV | antgel, it gets the whole http://www.debian.org/devel/, as a link.. sends it to browser, browsers shows a 404 |
| 18:19.15 | antgel | XLV: because it thinks that a comma at the end of a url is part of the url |
| 18:19.22 | dutchfish | troubled, funy, had no problems on that |
| 18:19.23 | abrotman | XLV: not all irc clients pass the , with the url |
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| 18:19.28 | troubled | dutchfish: i tried with ipv6 disabled as well, but didnt seem to make any difference. im performing an update on the nic drivers and other stuff atm, but i have my doubts |
| 18:19.32 | XLV | antgel, its xchat 2.6.7 for windows |
| 18:19.42 | dutchfish | troubled, and use sp1 |
| 18:19.44 | antgel | XLV: bwahahaha |
| 18:19.58 | hoxu | !start an irc client war |
| 18:19.58 | dpkg | pirch is eleet |
| 18:20.01 | dutchfish | troubled, +1 hour extra ;) |
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| 18:20.11 | XLV | antgel, at least i got one of the two right.. or not? ;-) |
| 18:20.12 | xelapond | Sorry for all the stupid questions, ill go humbly read the documentation ;) |
| 18:20.14 | lesouvage | I have exactly the error written about in http://www.nabble.com/Bug-465571:-gnutls13-ftfbs:-missing-makeinfo-td15455409.html . while I made a fresh install. How do I update gnutls apt-get install gnutls doesn't work (E: Couldn't find package gnutls) |
| 18:20.31 | antgel | xelapond: no, read it proudly! |
| 18:20.31 | troubled | dutchfish: well thats what gets me, the other day i enabled wifi in vista, put in the info and poof, it connected, got an ip and was online with zero issues. then the next day they brought the laptop in to use and bang, nothing. connected to the wifi, but didnt like the dhcp from my linux box all of a sudden |
| 18:20.49 | xelapond | I have just been kinda frantic to get my system running again, after spending hours trying to get gentoo to work, and finding portage has a lot of weird errors |
| 18:20.49 | antgel | XLV: beauty is in the eye of the beholder :) |
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| 18:21.05 | dutchfish | troubled, vista firewall, you can bet on that |
| 18:21.31 | dutchfish | troubled, hairpulling isnt it? |
| 18:21.32 | troubled | dutchfish: i was thinking that, but the network stuff seemed to be open. ill try with it disabled though |
| 18:21.33 | lesouvage | troubled: failure is not an option, it is bundled in the Windows package |
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| 18:22.17 | troubled | dutchfish: very anoying. i was hoping the always-broadcast flag would work but guess thats just not enough heh |
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| 18:22.50 | troubled | grumbles about 3 updates not applying |
| 18:22.57 | troubled | stable OS my arse... |
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| 18:23.44 | dutchfish | troubled, you could check if ipconfig /release ... ipconfig /renew will work when the system is fully booted, if so, its a driver problem |
| 18:24.22 | hoxu | ##windows |
| 18:24.29 | troubled | dutchfish: ill put it on my list of things to try. i noticed the wifi card had an update available, but of course, thats one of the failed updates |
| 18:24.42 | dutchfish | troubled, of coarse ;) |
| 18:24.48 | troubled | hoxu: well, to be fair, its a problem with it talking to me debian dhcpd |
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| 18:25.23 | dutchfish | hoxu, sorry for offtopic |
| 18:25.30 | hoxu | troubled, just a reminder there's such a channel :) |
| 18:25.54 | troubled | hoxu: im sure they'll just tell me to come here becuase its dhcpd related bug :) |
| 18:26.12 | troubled | although the next stop on my grail quest you can be sure... |
| 18:26.18 | hoxu | :P |
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| 18:26.51 | troubled | the problem btw: http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/linux/locutus/archives/vista-purposely-cripples-connections-to-other-operating-systems-23331 |
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| 18:27.07 | xingu | troubled: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233/en-us refers |
| 18:27.12 | troubled | and whats funnier? the microsoft.com url _doesnt_ _work_ in firefox for the solution rofl |
| 18:27.26 | zinx | i'd be happy if it didn't purposefully clipple the unzip performance.. it should not take 5 minutes to unzip a 300k file |
| 18:27.35 | zinx | (300k uncompressed :P ) |
| 18:27.45 | Tombomb | why does apt-get install ntpdate failing ? |
| 18:28.02 | Tombomb | it says that its referred to by another package - what is the other package |
| 18:28.07 | troubled | xingu: ya, been there, and it does indeed work, but was hoping I could just enabled my dhcpd to allow the darn setting so i dont have to deal with this again on other vista machines that may connect to my wifi |
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| 18:28.23 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:28.29 | xingu | troubled: use ipv6 instead ;) |
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| 18:28.35 | googlah | Tombomb: Try apt-cache search ntpdate |
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| 18:29.10 | troubled | xingu: i really dont feel like redoing my network for ipv6 atm. some stuff just doesnt have great support yet imho :/ |
| 18:29.15 | Tombomb | doesn't find anything |
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| 18:29.19 | troubled | xingu: my shorewall being one app |
| 18:29.22 | xingu | laughs |
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| 18:29.48 | troubled | xingu: you all ipv6 i take it? |
| 18:30.00 | troubled | problems? successes? |
| 18:30.12 | troubled | tales of woe? :) |
| 18:30.23 | DexterF | how do I set the gtk font size? I forced X to use 96 DPI for font rendering, now gtk fonts are too big, but I don't have gnome installed. so no gnome-control-center |
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| 18:30.33 | S4nD3r | hi there, is any benchmark to try my hardware? I have Core 2 Duo T7250, 2MB cache L2, 800mhz, 2GB RAM DDR2 667Mhz, HD 120GB 7200RPM, then would like to have sure about this good hardware working... |
| 18:30.54 | xingu | troubled: nothing too major; was maintaining ipv4 because the wife's old notebook ran win2k; could ditch it now, and probably will next weekend now that you've jogged my thinking :) |
| 18:31.08 | aj_ | Anybody around who is firm with Apache2 and ZendOptimizer? I need an experienced Admin QUICK and will pay for help |
| 18:31.26 | xingu | troubled: squid I think still can't manage to listen on a v6 socket (I'll take another look just now tho) |
| 18:31.43 | troubled | xingu: dont get me wrong, I would love to go ipv6 eventually and use a pure ipsec network setup so I can trust leaving wifi enabled 24/7, just not sure if etch is the best choice for that yet |
| 18:31.58 | xingu | troubled: racoon had issues last time I checked too, which is equally hilarious, considering. |
| 18:32.06 | troubled | go figure |
| 18:32.31 | troubled | wonders how lenny is for ipv6 apps |
| 18:32.50 | rm | troubled, well, ping and ssh work |
| 18:32.52 | DexterF | S4nD3r: this isn't #Ibragaboutmyhardware nor quakenet. Moronix, pardon, Phoronix released something like a test suite, but if you're hot for gamer benchmarks install windows and run 3dmark |
| 18:32.56 | rm | not much else :P |
| 18:33.04 | troubled | lol btw, wifi sucking 300k/s is slowing the ping times on the router from nagios enough to generate a ping timeout error heh |
| 18:33.21 | troubled | rm: thats what im afraid of |
| 18:33.36 | rm | (actually at least wget and lighttpd do work too, but not curl or squid or etc) |
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| 18:34.37 | xingu | troubled: squid3 allegedly has ipv6 |
| 18:34.52 | rm | speaking of ntpdate |
| 18:35.01 | xingu | troubled: given that it's packaged in sid, maybe this is my crisitunity to wrap my head around it |
| 18:35.04 | rm | it does work with ipv6 too (just checked) |
| 18:35.10 | xingu | !ntpdate |
| 18:35.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
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| 18:35.43 | rm | blah blah blah run another daemon :/ |
| 18:35.43 | antgel | S4nD3r: you're on IRC, the hardware's working. :) |
| 18:36.24 | xingu | rm: those little things you see in ntpdc -c kerninfo and adjtimex -p really do matter; and ntpd is the only thing that regulates them properly |
| 18:36.24 | rm | ntpdate <ntpserver> in crontab |
| 18:36.24 | S4nD3r | sure antgel |
| 18:36.24 | rm | every hour |
| 18:36.24 | rm | is good enough |
| 18:36.24 | xingu | hmpf |
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| 18:36.24 | S4nD3r | Id like to know if the hardware is that I bought |
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| 18:36.46 | S4nD3r | Its look like not so faster as the configuration bought |
| 18:36.59 | xingu | aah |
| 18:37.13 | xingu | troubled: ipv6 patches in squid 3.1, sid has squid 3.0 |
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| 18:37.27 | troubled | xingu: well, i need squid, shorewall, irssi, apache and hyperion+atheme and some other stuff |
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| 18:37.38 | antgel | S4nD3r: why do you say that? |
| 18:37.51 | lightning | quick q. I have 2gb of memory. top shows 1.8gb used yet a sort by memory only shows the highest task with around 60mb |
| 18:38.03 | S4nD3r | because this hardware should be faster my old one |
| 18:38.06 | troubled | oh yea, ntp and sambe as well :) |
| 18:38.10 | S4nD3r | and, really not look like |
| 18:38.13 | lightning | It only shows 70 or so tasks and nothing really large hogging it. how can i find why all of my memory appears allocated? |
| 18:38.16 | xingu | troubled: apache2 is fine |
| 18:38.32 | antgel | S4nD3r: in what way should it be faster? what tasks are not faster? |
| 18:38.32 | troubled | xingu: kinda figured there wouldnt be any problems with that |
| 18:38.37 | dvs | lightning: buffers |
| 18:38.38 | xingu | troubled: it's what I use for my ipv4 <-> ipv6 proxy |
| 18:38.38 | simonrvn | lightning: that's normal. free -m |
| 18:38.49 | S4nD3r | the initialization |
| 18:38.50 | troubled | xingu: dont use squid? |
| 18:38.51 | rm | for me, the most disappointing thing about ipv6, is that it seems to be not possible to use machines which boot remotely with root over NFS (and DHCP and PXE) in ipv6-only network |
| 18:38.53 | xingu | troubled: ntp is fine too |
| 18:38.55 | S4nD3r | running applications |
| 18:38.57 | simonrvn | *nix isn't windows |
| 18:39.06 | troubled | simonrvn: :p |
| 18:39.07 | antgel | !tell S4nD3r about enter |
| 18:39.10 | S4nD3r | looks take the same time |
| 18:39.13 | antgel | !tell S4nD3r about vague |
| 18:39.16 | dvs | lightning: "unused memory is wasted memory" -- Linus Torvalds |
| 18:39.18 | troubled | simonrvn: btw, the bot isnt ipv6 is it? |
| 18:39.24 | simonrvn | ...about grammar |
| 18:39.25 | xingu | troubled: I use squid as a cache, but I route it via apache to let it manage the final outward socket |
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| 18:39.42 | lightning | simonrvn: i just couldnt see a reason why so little is running yet so much appears allocated |
| 18:39.47 | simonrvn | troubled: which bot? |
| 18:39.49 | troubled | xingu: interesting approach. any particular benifits to it? |
| 18:39.54 | troubled | simonrvn: infobot |
| 18:39.59 | xingu | troubled: it's easy to plumb :) |
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| 18:40.18 | xingu | troubled: and it's reasonably robust |
| 18:40.24 | simonrvn | i've never bothered with ipv6 in bloot/infobot |
| 18:40.28 | troubled | xingu: well, dont feel like using apache for anything too fancy. i just prefer to set it and forget it :) |
| 18:40.31 | S4nD3r | This is my notebook, Dell Inspiron 1525. I was wondering to installl debian. |
| 18:40.39 | xingu | troubled: once squid sorts itself out (which I gather is 3.1.stable material) apache2 can go in the bin |
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| 18:40.47 | troubled | simonrvn: i get the feeling ip6 is a nogo until poe |
| 18:40.48 | S4nD3r | But I need to know if all my hardware will be found. |
| 18:40.49 | maligor | lightning, are you saving memory for something? |
| 18:40.57 | rm | poe? :) |
| 18:40.59 | amphi | S4nD3r: why not? ;) |
| 18:41.04 | troubled | !poe |
| 18:41.04 | dpkg | well, poe is Perl Object Environment at http://poe.perl.org |
| 18:41.06 | rm | power over ethernet? |
| 18:41.07 | aj_ | I am looking for someone making ZendOptimizer work on my VServer and I will PAY MONEY for that |
| 18:41.07 | lightning | maligor: naw, just trying to understand :) |
| 18:41.09 | S4nD3r | is there anyway to try it before to install? |
| 18:41.09 | troubled | rm ^^ |
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| 18:41.11 | rm | lol |
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| 18:41.38 | antgel | S4nD3r: live cd |
| 18:41.44 | maligor | lightning, well, I have 4gb ram with 3mb unused |
| 18:42.04 | xingu | troubled: well the way I see it is - ipv6 is on by default in vista, and some very interesting contracts stateside now stipulate it, so you may as well get to grips with what's coming and transition |
| 18:42.08 | lightning | just something for me to get use to :P |
| 18:42.29 | xingu | troubled: at least that way you know what the open issues are and how to mitigate them |
| 18:42.37 | rm | Netcat does not support ipv6 |
| 18:42.41 | rm | too bad :< |
| 18:42.43 | troubled | xingu: thats kinda why I was here inquiring about that broadcast flag. just didnt work at all so im at a loss for works atm |
| 18:43.12 | xingu | troubled: you'd need a code change in isc dhcpd and I don't see any references to a patch |
| 18:43.17 | xingu | troubled: raise a bug... |
| 18:43.17 | S4nD3r | someone knows this wifi device? Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n |
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| 18:43.26 | abrotman | !bvm43xx |
| 18:43.30 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 18:43.30 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 18:43.30 | antgel | !tell S4nD3r about someone |
| 18:43.35 | S4nD3r | that was found by my one linux box |
| 18:43.37 | xingu | troubled: the nature of the bug is - isc dhcpd should respect the dhcp "broadcast client" flag |
| 18:43.38 | troubled | xingu: ive noticed that vista has the concept of public and private wifi links though, so im wondering if its just the firewall blocking broadcast stuff on public wifi's that it thought my network was for a bit |
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| 18:44.04 | troubled | xingu: my understanding is that is what the "always-broadcast" flag was for |
| 18:44.05 | xingu | troubled: ... and reply with broadcast rather than unicast ethernet addressing |
| 18:44.35 | xingu | troubled: doubt it; tcpdump, look at the frame |
| 18:44.55 | troubled | xingu: i still need to go over my shorewall though in case its whats not allowing the reply back out for some reason |
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| 18:45.39 | troubled | xingu: this is the first time ive had exclusive access to a vista machine to test all this junk though |
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| 18:47.06 | troubled | xingu: i should mention that i find it strange that the wired port on the laptop hasnt had any problems yet with dhcp, just the wifi. |
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| 18:49.45 | xingu | troubled: if the dst ether address isn't all 1's then the server isn't respecting the client's option flag |
| 18:49.45 | xingu | troubled: the only difference is the dst ether address in reply; in normalworld, it's sent to mac of client; in insane microsoftworld, it's sent to broadcast. |
| 18:50.02 | rm | xingu, do you have a real IPv6 assigned address? ) |
| 18:50.13 | troubled | xingu: iirc, the syslog was showing it dst to ff:ff:ff:..... |
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| 18:50.24 | FrankTheTank | how do you rm a file with spaces in the name? |
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| 18:50.32 | abrotman | quote or escape it |
| 18:51.00 | troubled | xingu: also, the arp entry was incomlete until i switched to a fall back of a static address and let it fail (all this when I didnt use the registry hack that is) |
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| 18:51.58 | xingu | rm: via sixxs |
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| 18:54.27 | tingle | do any of you guys/girls know whats brand is better supported by debian or vice versa intel or amd? im thinking of building a new desktop |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | the same |
| 18:54.50 | tingle | abrotman: there is NO difference? |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | unless you're doing low level stuff .. you'll never know |
| 18:55.07 | zinx | tingle: none at all |
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| 18:55.19 | zinx | tingle: buy whichever's a better price at the time :P |
| 18:55.31 | tingle | ok well thats great but then i have another question rather personal i quess |
| 18:55.31 | maligor | both tend to supply drivers in timely manner too |
| 18:55.36 | zinx | better price for performance/efficiency, that is |
| 18:55.37 | troubled | AMD is a contributer to global warming! ;) |
| 18:55.40 | tingle | what would you suggest |
| 18:55.50 | abrotman | tingle: the best price point CPU :) |
| 18:56.07 | zinx | tingle: brand really doesn't matter.. as far as which CPU.. it's very volatile.. have to look every single time :/ |
| 18:56.17 | hoxu | troubled, I thought AMD cpus are pretty good with heat generation / power usage at the moment, compared to intel |
| 18:56.21 | maligor | I'd go with phenom since I'm a junkie for technically cool ideas |
| 18:56.21 | streuner | troubled: do you ever think about production costs? :-) |
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| 18:56.45 | troubled | hoxu: maybe now, but they used to be pretty bad compared to intel heh |
| 18:56.53 | hoxu | troubled, yeah, totally awful :) |
| 18:56.54 | troubled | streuner: :) |
| 18:57.05 | maligor | P4 wasn't that great either |
| 18:57.14 | hoxu | tingle, what are your needs? Going for raw processing power or silent setup? |
| 18:57.16 | tingle | what should a fast pc atm cost? i never bought one still have a p2 here |
| 18:57.27 | tingle | hoxu: hoping i could mix those two |
| 18:57.30 | abrotman | tingle: it's whatever you want it to cost |
| 18:57.33 | zinx | tingle: how fast? do you want to play games on it? |
| 18:57.42 | abrotman | tingle: this is really a hardware question .. i'd ask #hardware |
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| 18:57.57 | tingle | abrotman: yes i understand its rather offtopic :) |
| 18:58.05 | zinx | tingle: no new games: ~$500, new games: ~$1000+ |
| 18:58.07 | abrotman | right .. so ask #harware |
| 18:58.10 | abrotman | hardware |
| 18:58.16 | tingle | yer will do :x |
| 18:58.17 | rm | guys |
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| 18:58.22 | rm | AMD supports open source |
| 18:58.22 | maligor | #harware, where the pirates go |
| 18:58.24 | tingle | thanks so far |
| 18:58.24 | apt | tingle: de nada |
| 18:58.29 | rm | so you all should buy AMD :P |
| 18:58.34 | abrotman | so does intel |
| 18:58.35 | zinx | maligor: i prefer #arrware myself |
| 18:58.38 | maligor | rm, and intel doesn't? |
| 18:58.39 | antgel | !tell rm about enter |
| 18:58.41 | hoxu | so essentially it boils down to whether you want to run Tuxracer 3D or not? ;) |
| 18:58.53 | maligor | intel made latencytop and powertop which are very cool |
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| 18:59.05 | tingle | magyar: what and what? |
| 18:59.13 | rm | intel also made some wireless cards. |
| 18:59.19 | zinx | hoxu: tuxracer's not a particularly demanding game |
| 18:59.21 | tingle | maligor: what and what? |
| 18:59.24 | streuner | abrotman: someone told me, the reason why apt saying to all stuff something is, because its in safe mode |
| 18:59.32 | tingle | magyar: srry wrong nick |
| 18:59.35 | streuner | abrotman: *not in safe mode |
| 18:59.38 | maligor | tingle, latencytop measures system latency and powertop measures poweruse related issues |
| 18:59.43 | abrotman | streuner: great .. find TimRiker and ask him to turn it off/on |
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| 19:00.01 | zinx | hoxu: ET:QW is somewhat more demanding, though admittedly does not require the latest hardware |
| 19:00.03 | tingle | maligor: can you read the ouput in *nix or more bios lvl? |
| 19:00.11 | S4nD3r | how to know how much memory is in my video board? |
| 19:00.12 | hoxu | it's not that big problem actually (apt speaking up), at least it replies hellos and thanks, no one else bothers ;) |
| 19:00.16 | S4nD3r | video card** |
| 19:00.18 | streuner | abrotman: yep, that might be a problem |
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| 19:00.28 | abrotman | S4nD3r: x log |
| 19:00.30 | magyar | hmm? |
| 19:00.32 | magyar | ahhh :) |
| 19:00.32 | maligor | tingle, they're all in software, not dependant on the platform I think |
| 19:00.49 | hoxu | magyar, probably a mistargeting, feel free to !lart back |
| 19:01.44 | maligor | tingle, ncuses gui, and a kernel patch for latencytop (merged in 2.6.25) |
| 19:01.47 | FrankTheTank | whats the best way to backup a whole server? |
| 19:02.16 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 19:02.16 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 19:02.38 | dvs | grounds abrotman |
| 19:03.03 | streuner | heh |
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| 19:03.13 | tingle | maligor: ncuses is in the resources? doesnt seem to find anything one apt-cache search notebook:/home/marcel# apt-cache search ncuses |
| 19:03.14 | hoxu | calls dvs' mom... the lights are not on but dvs is still ircing |
| 19:03.16 | tingle | notebook:/home/marcel# |
| 19:03.26 | tingle | srry wrong paste but that shows it too hehe |
| 19:03.32 | tanner | is trying to decide if it would be better to build a desktop centric workstation from the ground up with debian, or use a prepackaged debian distro and work from there |
| 19:03.49 | streuner | heh |
| 19:03.57 | el_isma | tanner: IMHO, use Debian pure |
| 19:04.05 | streuner | tanner: Debian is just fine for Desktops |
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| 19:04.20 | dvs | tanner: I'd either use the debian prepackage or wait for etch and a half. |
| 19:04.32 | tanner | "etch and a half" ? |
| 19:04.43 | themill | !etchnhalf |
| 19:04.44 | dpkg | from memory, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 19:05.04 | tanner | hmm |
| 19:05.13 | tanner | unfortunately i need my laptop to be alive soon |
| 19:05.26 | themill | is using the etchnhalf proposed updates quite happily |
| 19:05.27 | streuner | just start now |
| 19:05.40 | streuner | tanner: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 19:06.00 | Zwift | hi, I'm a total newbie in linux administration, but our company recently decided to buy dedicated server, and now whole configuration is on my head. Debian 4. I used Perfect setup tutorial, but there is one thing, basic one - how to assign domain 2 server. First question is - /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname - my guess is I should enter my chosen domain there? right/wrong? Second question - next thing to do is to configure bind zones correctly, rig |
| 19:06.00 | Zwift | Third question: Is it everything that should be done? |
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| 19:06.09 | tanner | streuner, Thinkpad T40 |
| 19:06.23 | streuner | tanner: thinkpads are very well supported |
| 19:06.32 | antgel | Zwift: i think you need a good DNS tutorial |
| 19:06.35 | streuner | tanner: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 19:06.55 | antgel | Zwift: i recommend the oreilly book, bind and dns |
| 19:06.58 | Zwift | antgel: I'm reading this right now: http://www.howtoforge.com/traditional_dns_howto |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | Zwift: you probably should read the bind ARM |
| 19:07.01 | tanner | oh i know, since my new thinkpad ive neglected my older T40 |
| 19:07.09 | antgel | or is it dns and bind |
| 19:07.19 | abrotman | latter |
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| 19:07.43 | antgel | abrotman: THANKS! |
| 19:08.53 | rm | Zwift, are you not talking about "windows domain" |
| 19:09.04 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 19:09.17 | tanner | i basically intend to have my T40 act as a reliable workstation, i basically just want KDE, good power management, and the ability to use some of the pentesting utilities i require |
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| 19:10.20 | Zwift | rm: no, no I'm talking about Internet Domain |
| 19:10.33 | rm | ok |
| 19:10.42 | streuner | looks at tanner and asking himself what he waiting for |
| 19:10.46 | dvs | Zwift: that's /etc/domainname isn't it? |
| 19:10.57 | unixSnob | join #electronics |
| 19:11.02 | dvs | no! |
| 19:11.13 | tanner | streuner, nothing really, just being lazy |
| 19:11.30 | streuner | tanner: Debian is just great then for you :-) |
| 19:11.40 | tanner | lol, how do you figure |
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| 19:12.06 | streuner | you said lazy, well, iam lazy too, that's one of the reason why we use Debian :-) |
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| 19:12.18 | tanner | lol, oh alright |
| 19:12.25 | abrotman | you maybe .. damn lazy germans |
| 19:12.25 | dvs | streuner: same here |
| 19:12.39 | streuner | abrotman: :-) |
| 19:12.40 | tanner | curious, what would be a good resource for setting up desktop-centric features such as automounting and what not? |
| 19:12.56 | abrotman | !automount |
| 19:12.57 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 19:13.16 | tanner | !autofs |
| 19:13.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127, or a hackish p.o.s |
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| 19:13.35 | tanner | autofs or kde automount? |
| 19:13.35 | antgel | !tell tanner about msg the bot |
| 19:13.36 | antgel | !tell abrotman about msg the bot |
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| 19:13.43 | antgel | hehe |
| 19:13.45 | dvs | huh? |
| 19:13.57 | zinx | antgel: it's acceptable for telling folk about stuff as abrotman did :P |
| 19:13.58 | S4nD3r | Which is my driver to this one: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 19:14.03 | FrankTheTank | my backup script doesnt seem to be working, any help? http://pastebin.ca/1022097 |
| 19:14.03 | antgel | tanner: apple or orange? |
| 19:14.08 | S4nD3r | Which is the driver to install ? |
| 19:14.10 | amphi | S4nD3r: intel |
| 19:14.11 | dvs | S4nD3r: intel9x0 |
| 19:14.19 | zinx | tanner: kde automount if you're using kde |
| 19:14.20 | tanner | antgel: which is more suitable? |
| 19:14.25 | tanner | thank you zinx |
| 19:14.25 | apt | tanner: my pleasure |
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| 19:14.40 | antgel | tanner: depends |
| 19:14.49 | streuner | omg, can you not silence apt? |
| 19:14.50 | zinx | tanner: gnome volume manager if you're using gnome, or ivman/thunar-volman for something else maybe.. never autofs, IMHO :P~ |
| 19:15.01 | antgel | apt: who owns you |
| 19:15.02 | apt | TimRiker does |
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| 19:15.12 | streuner | sure, but he isn't often here |
| 19:15.18 | koeppea | streuner why cant you do this? |
| 19:15.23 | abrotman | streuner: i can permanently |
| 19:15.25 | koeppea | > /dev/null ?? |
| 19:15.26 | dvs | gets his gun... |
| 19:15.31 | dvs | here apt, apt, apt |
| 19:15.31 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, +q |
| 19:15.35 | antgel | streuner: then can't an op kick it? |
| 19:15.36 | abrotman | seems wrong |
| 19:15.36 | koeppea | set an alias in your .bash_profile |
| 19:15.57 | abrotman | antgel: the bot would rejoin .. someone should contact TimRiker |
| 19:16.03 | antgel | i think it's irresponsible to just leave a bot on a channel that you're never on |
| 19:16.11 | tanner | which package contains "less" |
| 19:16.16 | abrotman | he's been here |
| 19:16.20 | abrotman | tanner: guess |
| 19:16.22 | zinx | tanner: less |
| 19:16.35 | koeppea | tanner, coreutils? |
| 19:16.40 | zinx | tanner: apt-cache/aptitude let you search for packages, fwiw |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | !tell tanner about search |
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| 19:17.05 | zinx | those crazy gui package managers do too |
| 19:17.10 | benuski | does aptitude have a function similar to apt-file? |
| 19:17.16 | zinx | benuski: no |
| 19:17.25 | zinx | benuski: but the descriptions are usually not so bad |
| 19:17.48 | benuski | yeah |
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| 19:17.56 | benuski | i dunno, i usually prefer apt-cache to aptitude search |
| 19:18.05 | CoolCold | offtopic, but, are any vim experts here? i need to delete lines from 10 to 50 |
| 19:18.09 | Sehnsucht | i'm using "shaper" ubuntu package to limit INCOMING bandwith. file "/etc/shaper/cbq-2.incoming" is http://paste.ubuntu.com/13124/ but when i try to download smth. from X.X.X.X average speed is 1 MBps...What's wrong? |
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| 19:18.14 | abrotman | CoolCold: #vim ? |
| 19:18.35 | streuner | Sehnsucht: wrong channel, #ubuntu |
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| 19:19.08 | Sehnsucht | streuner, as far as i know these packages are identical both in debian and ubuntu...nobody could help me on #ubuntu so i decided to ask here... |
| 19:19.18 | abrotman | Sehnsucht: #ubuntu .. don't argue |
| 19:20.47 | streuner | Sehnsucht: sorry, but we support Debian, just go to #ubuntu or ask on one of there ML (mailing-lists) about |
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| 19:29.06 | tanner | w00t, yay association :D |
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| 19:30.17 | Ryan52 | When mdadm says that the state of an array is degraded, that means that its missing a drive, right? |
| 19:30.27 | abrotman | yesish |
| 19:30.32 | Ryan52 | ish? |
| 19:30.46 | rm | that's not the only cause, I believe |
| 19:30.55 | abrotman | usually a drive flopped out .. there are other reasons .. but thats the most common by a long shot |
| 19:31.09 | Ryan52 | okay, thanks. |
| 19:31.38 | troubled | abrotman: want atp's non addressed mode disabled? |
| 19:31.43 | troubled | apt* |
| 19:31.52 | abrotman | huh? |
| 19:31.55 | troubled | thanks |
| 19:31.55 | apt | troubled: pas de quoi |
| 19:31.58 | troubled | ^^^ |
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| 19:31.59 | abrotman | troubled: TimRiker is MIA |
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| 19:32.24 | troubled | abrotman: i work on the bot with him and usually see him on the weekdays, i can mention it to him |
| 19:32.32 | raidghost | Why does dpkg-buildpackage make .tar.gz and dsc files but not .deb ? |
| 19:32.42 | troubled | abrotman: theres a chance he forgot to disable it from the other day when we enabled it to test my patch |
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| 19:32.52 | abrotman | troubled: just mention to him that it's biffed somehow |
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| 19:33.08 | Ryan52 | raidghost: It built source package. use debuild. |
| 19:33.08 | troubled | abrotman: its in non addressed mode, ie: dont need ! |
| 19:33.15 | abrotman | ~ in his case |
| 19:33.21 | troubled | true |
| 19:33.33 | troubled | let me test something real quick |
| 19:33.36 | troubled | debian? |
| 19:33.43 | troubled | apt: debian |
| 19:33.44 | apt | methinks debian is the hobby project of bruce perens that flew on the space shuttle |
| 19:33.54 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 19:33.55 | streuner | troubled: keywords... |
| 19:33.56 | troubled | hmm, maybe its not fully in that then |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | apt: factinfo debian |
| 19:33.58 | apt | debian -- created by atoponce <n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce> at Fri Sep 7 01:57:55 2007 (254 days); it has been requested 20 times, last by troubled, 14s ago. |
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| 19:34.17 | troubled | if it was non addressed, it should have responded to "debian?" |
| 19:34.18 | streuner | fuck |
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| 19:34.27 | abrotman | apt: no debian is <reply>http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:34.28 | apt | okay, abrotman |
| 19:34.50 | troubled | abrotman: well, ill mention it to him anyways, something got "stuck" it seems |
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| 19:35.10 | abrotman | thnajds |
| 19:35.14 | abrotman | grr |
| 19:35.24 | streuner | don't say the magic word :-) |
| 19:35.28 | troubled | dont bother, ya lol |
| 19:35.54 | troubled | i take it hello trigger it too prolly |
| 19:35.57 | troubled | hello |
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| 19:36.08 | abrotman | hi |
| 19:36.15 | troubled | hmm, that is strange |
| 19:36.35 | troubled | its only acting like non addressed mode for "thanks" :/ anywho.... |
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| 19:37.12 | Juventino | hello |
| 19:37.19 | rm | This package contains the OpenBSD rewrite of netcat, including support for IPv6, proxies, and Unix sockets. <- yay |
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| 19:37.21 | abrotman | troubled: no it's not |
| 19:37.27 | tanner | erm, i suppose i should have built up my workstation in a vm first instead of on my laptop directly |
| 19:37.28 | PullTab | hello |
| 19:37.28 | apt | hi |
| 19:37.32 | abrotman | see |
| 19:37.39 | PullTab | This package contains the OpenBSD rewrite of netcat, including support for IPv6, proxies, and Unix sockets. <- yay |
| 19:37.42 | PullTab | troubled: no it's not |
| 19:37.44 | troubled | ah, must just been the delay |
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| 19:37.50 | PullTab | erm, i suppose i should have built up my workstation in a vm first instead of on my laptop directly |
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| 19:37.59 | Juventino | i just installed etch on a laptop, it's connected through a lan cable, i tried ping, which worked, so now when i try to update the sources.list, it gives me an error |
| 19:38.16 | tanner | Juventino: the error is? |
| 19:38.23 | Juventino | ping time out |
| 19:38.35 | troubled | abrotman: heh, thought you just banned apt for a sec there |
| 19:38.43 | abrotman | nah |
| 19:38.45 | streuner | me too |
| 19:38.47 | Juventino | isn't the link: http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian etch main non-free ? |
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| 19:38.48 | ReKlip1 | I'm having problems with restarting gdm (either /etc/init.d/gdm restart, or ctrl+alt+backspace). Whenever i do it, the screen just freezes. the system still "runs", i can ssh into the machine. |
| 19:38.54 | streuner | abrotman: k-lined... |
| 19:38.59 | streuner | abrotman: but why? |
| 19:39.11 | rm | Juventino, try pinging ftp.it.debian.org |
| 19:39.13 | abrotman | streuner: copycat bot .. i didnt' kline it |
| 19:39.29 | rm | also check if internet works in other apps |
| 19:39.31 | streuner | abrotman: no, you not, but the ban still exist... |
| 19:39.41 | abrotman | i can remove it .. i banned it before it got klined |
| 19:39.43 | Juventino | rm pinging right |
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| 19:39.53 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@c-67-160-155-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net] by abrotman |
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| 19:40.00 | abrotman | streuner: happy ? |
| 19:40.17 | rm | Juventino, dunno then, try other country's mirror, e.g. "de" or "fr" |
| 19:40.20 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, it usual here when a k-line exist, we remove the ban... |
| 19:40.28 | Juventino | rm ok, will retry |
| 19:40.29 | abrotman | no? |
| 19:40.36 | streuner | abrotman: <magic word> |
| 19:40.41 | abrotman | no? |
| 19:40.42 | Juventino | http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian etch main non-free <--- that's right though? |
| 19:40.46 | abrotman | fiik |
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| 19:42.00 | jelly-home | Juventino, you're likely missing "contrib" in there. "main contrib non-free" |
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| 19:42.14 | Juventino | jelly-home ok, thnx |
| 19:42.19 | zythmer | Juventino: Is there a 'deb ' part at the beginning? Also, if you use non-free, why not include contrib? |
| 19:42.30 | Juventino | ok |
| 19:42.43 | Juventino | so main contrib non-free ? or main non-free contrib? |
| 19:42.49 | ReKlip1 | doesnt matter |
| 19:43.07 | bitweiler | hey, what non-free software is include with debian |
| 19:43.25 | ReKlip1 | unrar |
| 19:43.38 | abrotman | bitweiler: packages.debian.org |
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| 19:44.23 | bitweiler | and it requires you to pay for the software |
| 19:44.29 | Juventino | ok |
| 19:44.34 | Juventino | trying to update again now |
| 19:44.45 | stew | bitweiler: debian doesn't include non-free software |
| 19:44.46 | abrotman | bitweiler: no |
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| 19:45.10 | stew | bitweiler: debian makes some packages available which is non-free (/msg dpkg dfsg), but still costs nothing |
| 19:45.18 | dvs | bitweiler: it's not free as in freely modifiable. |
| 19:45.20 | stew | and some that you actually have to pay for |
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| 19:45.30 | stew | some of it is non-free as in you have to pay for it |
| 19:45.43 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 19:45.46 | stew | rar |
| 19:45.50 | bitweiler | 8'D |
| 19:46.18 | rm | hm indeed |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | it's shareware |
| 19:46.51 | abrotman | and says you must register after 40 days .. not pay .. but whatever |
| 19:46.58 | abrotman | oh .. ignore htat |
| 19:47.15 | stew | 5. To register you must buy RAR. |
| 19:47.27 | Juventino | !iwl3945 |
| 19:47.37 | bitweiler | i just leave non-free from my sources.list then |
| 19:47.41 | abrotman | stew: i saw that |
| 19:47.46 | bitweiler | s/i/i'll/ |
| 19:47.56 | abrotman | stew: sox game on tbs! :) |
| 19:48.04 | ReKlip1 | anyone know why i'm having problems with restarting gdm? |
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| 19:48.12 | rm | why include "rar" of all things, is beyond me |
| 19:48.38 | Juventino | hmm |
| 19:48.47 | abrotman | i just fixed that damn it |
| 19:48.48 | rm | i guess simply because "someone packaged it" and non-free is kinda for stuff like that |
| 19:48.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:48.56 | abrotman | !tel Juventino about ipw3945 |
| 19:48.56 | Juventino | can i get the Intel's wlan to work on etch? |
| 19:48.59 | bitweiler | ReKlip1: because maybe gone damn man |
| 19:49.00 | abrotman | !tel Juventino about iwlwifi |
| 19:49.08 | abrotman | !tel Juventino about ipw3945 |
| 19:49.09 | Juventino | !ipw3945 |
| 19:49.09 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu> |
| 19:49.11 | abrotman | !tell Juventino about ipw3945 |
| 19:49.17 | abrotman | !tell Juventino about iwlwifi |
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| 19:49.36 | stew | rm: unrar is the 3rd most popular non-free package distributed by debian (right under 2 versions of java) |
| 19:49.44 | helo | where can i get a libdvdread that can decrypt? |
| 19:49.48 | Juventino | thnx abrotman |
| 19:49.52 | streuner | helo: marillat |
| 19:49.56 | rm | stew, unrar is understandable, but _rar_? |
| 19:50.03 | dvs | no multimedia |
| 19:50.03 | streuner | helo: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:50.07 | helo | ty |
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| 19:50.15 | streuner | helo: and read xine FAQ |
| 19:50.21 | stew | rm: rar is 5th |
| 19:50.42 | rm | unrar has no free fully-functional alternative |
| 19:50.51 | rm | rar has (7zip) |
| 19:50.52 | ReKlip1 | not even un-rar? |
| 19:50.59 | streuner | helo: you need libdvdcss2 |
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| 19:53.24 | simonrvn | yeh ok, everyone get quiet when i come in... |
| 19:53.33 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:53.35 | streuner | not much traffic |
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| 19:53.43 | stew | !irritate simonrvn |
| 19:53.43 | dpkg | simonrvn: hi every1 who uses dvd hello? |
| 19:53.47 | dvs | shhhh. he's here. ;-) |
| 19:54.02 | simonrvn | teehee =) |
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| 19:54.19 | ReKlip1 | sudo rm * /var/log/gdm/ |
| 19:54.28 | Juventino | hmm |
| 19:54.29 | ReKlip1 | did that while in home dir |
| 19:54.33 | Juventino | i keep on getting some error here.. |
| 19:54.38 | Juventino | while using aptitude.. |
| 19:54.49 | ReKlip1 | go on... |
| 19:55.57 | Juventino | Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.xx.debian.org:80 (2001:1418:13:1::5). -connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:1418:13:1::5 80] |
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| 19:56.31 | simonrvn | that's an ipv6 addie |
| 19:56.45 | pablo | hi, when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, the video optios dont appear, why is this? |
| 19:56.53 | Juventino | i don't have ipv6 |
| 19:57.06 | streuner | ftp.TLD.debian.org either |
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| 19:57.11 | Juventino | TLD? |
| 19:57.15 | simonrvn | lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 19:57.18 | troubled | top level domain |
| 19:57.19 | streuner | !tld |
| 19:57.19 | dpkg | somebody said tld was top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
| 19:57.21 | nomad_cz | Hi. Is it possible to change alt+ctrl+bs to something else ? alt+shift+bs for example ... |
| 19:57.25 | simonrvn | streuner: some do |
| 19:57.33 | streuner | simonrvn: hm |
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| 19:57.51 | troubled | nomad_cz: i think theres a option to disable that kill option in the config somewhere iirc |
| 19:57.51 | ReKlip1 | debian.mirrors.tds.net |
| 19:57.56 | Juventino | well it' ftp.it.debian.org |
| 19:58.00 | simonrvn | i think .jp and some of the euro ones do |
| 19:58.26 | simonrvn | gave up on ipv6 for while |
| 19:58.28 | nomad_cz | troubled: I do not want to disable it, I just do not have CRTL so I want to use SHIFT instead ;) |
| 19:58.49 | troubled | nomad_cz: no ctrl?! wth kinda keyboard you got over there? ;) |
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| 19:58.58 | nomad_cz | troubled: some kiosk |
| 19:59.16 | troubled | nomad_cz: aside from remaping the ctrl key, im not sure if its adjustable short of editing the source |
| 19:59.34 | simonrvn | had a tunnel via bgp with occaid, but the person i was working with was rather neglectful, and sixxs isn't interested |
| 19:59.45 | nomad_cz | troubled: Hmm. I would expect some setting in xorg or something like that ;) |
| 20:00.00 | ReKlip1 | it's gonna be an xorg setting |
| 20:00.01 | pablo | hi, the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt show the video options, how do i configure it? |
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| 20:00.08 | ReKlip1 | not sure if it's possible though |
| 20:00.08 | troubled | nomad_cz: what key did you have in mind to change it to then? |
| 20:00.13 | simonrvn | man xorg.conf |
| 20:00.15 | ReKlip1 | from ctrl to shift |
| 20:00.20 | nomad_cz | troubled: CTRL |
| 20:00.21 | troubled | nomad_cz: something tricky like the letter "I"? ;) |
| 20:00.34 | nomad_cz | troubled: to SHIFT |
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| 20:00.42 | ReKlip1 | it's gonna be in the serverflags section |
| 20:00.50 | simonrvn | i don't think you can either. you can disable it, but the key combo isn't configurable iirc. |
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| 20:00.56 | troubled | nomad_cz: what about alt key? still got that one? |
| 20:01.09 | nomad_cz | troubled: yep |
| 20:01.19 | rm | for me it looks like using a ipv6 to ipv4 provider would seriously increase latency (by about 300 ms), so at this point I only experiment with IPv6 in my LAN |
| 20:01.24 | troubled | why kind of kiosk only takes away one key :p |
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| 20:01.40 | ReKlip1 | nomad_cz: i think it's gonna require recompiling x... |
| 20:01.57 | simonrvn | rm: yeh the tunnels have a lot of overhead |
| 20:02.11 | nomad_cz | ReKlip1: Bloody hell ;) |
| 20:02.19 | troubled | nomad_cz: do you have F keys still? |
| 20:02.25 | nomad_cz | troubled: Nope |
| 20:02.42 | ReKlip1 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=388482 |
| 20:02.44 | simonrvn | you get the tunnel overhead, plus the extra ipv6 headers, *and* the ipv4 headers... gets crazy fast. |
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| 20:03.13 | troubled | nomad_cz: go recompile X then :p |
| 20:03.29 | raidghost | Ryan52: debuild did destroy my locale on etch |
| 20:03.35 | raidghost | So i dont think i gonna use that one anymore |
| 20:03.47 | raidghost | i need to figure out a way to fix the locale on my server |
| 20:03.57 | nomad_cz | troubled: It doesn't seem to be a Debian way, does it ? ;) If I start compiling I could go for Gentoo :)) |
| 20:04.04 | beware | a tunnel does not add 300 ms |
| 20:04.11 | beware | i have tunnels using less |
| 20:04.16 | beware | adding* |
| 20:04.28 | rm | beware, when using a tunnel, all traffic first goes to a tunnel server, and then further into internet, right? |
| 20:04.29 | pablo | hi, is there any tool to configure xorg.conf automatically? |
| 20:04.34 | beware | yes |
| 20:04.38 | rm | so |
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| 20:04.47 | troubled | nomad_cz: not much else you can expect with odd setups like yours |
| 20:04.48 | Juventino | Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.xx.debian.org:80 (2001:1418:13:1::5). -connect (101 Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:1418:13:1::5 80] <<<--- guys, what's that error?? |
| 20:04.55 | beware | how much it adds depends on how far away your tunnel server is from your most local point in internet |
| 20:05.00 | Juventino | it's ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 20:05.08 | pablo | beware: which one? |
| 20:05.08 | stew | nomad_cz: perhaps bind some key to sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart using xbindkeys |
| 20:05.12 | simonrvn | Juventino: we already told you |
| 20:05.19 | troubled | nomad_cz: why do you need to restart X? perhaps theres a better solution for your problem? |
| 20:05.22 | nomad_cz | troubled: Hmm ;) |
| 20:05.23 | jelly-home | it's not like people press ctrl-alt-backspace mistakenly all the time |
| 20:05.24 | Juventino | simonrvn you said something about IPv6 |
| 20:05.26 | nomad_cz | troubled: Flash ;) |
| 20:05.30 | beware | for example, im 10 ms away from amsterdam (nearest point), and 17 ms from frankfurt (tunnel server). to ping a host in amsterdam through the server endpoint adds 14 ms lag |
| 20:05.32 | beware | not 300 ms |
| 20:05.33 | Juventino | how can i fix that? |
| 20:05.38 | stew | jelly-home: i do |
| 20:05.38 | crazyfrog | i want to locate which package installed /path_to_file/filename ,how can i do it? |
| 20:05.49 | beware | and this is pretty much what i measure indeed |
| 20:05.51 | nomad_cz | stew: I will look into it. Thanks. |
| 20:05.54 | rm | beware, i see |
| 20:06.27 | beware | but then i guess people here are on 56k modems, interleaved adsl, satellite, or use a tunnel server at the other end of the world |
| 20:06.31 | troubled | crazyfrog: dpkg -S /path/to/file? |
| 20:06.34 | beware | 300 ms is like a ping from me to new zealand |
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| 20:06.56 | troubled | crazyfrog: that or "dpkg -S `which binaryname`" |
| 20:07.24 | pablo | hi, how can i configure xorg? |
| 20:07.34 | crazyfrog | thanks |
| 20:07.34 | apt | crazyfrog: bitte |
| 20:07.44 | beware | ive found myself having the lowest ping in a game where everyone is from the same country as me, and all are probably on broadband, and im like, "why" |
| 20:07.45 | troubled | dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver? |
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| 20:07.45 | jelly-home | Juventino, echo -e "blacklist ipv6\nalias net-pf-10 off" > /etc/modprobe.d/ipv6-sucks; reboot |
| 20:07.54 | romul | jelly-away |
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| 20:08.02 | Juventino | jelly-home thnx |
| 20:08.03 | troubled | xserver-xorg sorry hehe |
| 20:08.09 | lomur | jelly-away |
| 20:08.13 | troubled | always get that one backwards pablo ^^^ |
| 20:08.23 | lomur | not troubled |
| 20:08.26 | jelly-home | lomur, stop doing that, please |
| 20:08.36 | troubled | lomur: ? |
| 20:08.45 | lomur | stop doing whaqt |
| 20:08.57 | jelly-home | <lomur> jelly-away |
| 20:09.02 | troubled | lomur: you paged me? |
| 20:09.02 | pablo | troubled: sorry? |
| 20:09.12 | stew | lomur: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:09.17 | troubled | pablo: did you mean this? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:09.24 | lomur | irish stew |
| 20:09.32 | troubled | batter up! |
| 20:09.43 | jelly-home | thinks a silencing is in order |
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| 20:10.06 | jelly-home | fresh, stew |
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| 20:10.16 | troubled | Juuuuust a bit outside ;) |
| 20:10.41 | troubled | PuTTY|: please stop spamming me in pm |
| 20:10.54 | troubled | anyone else getting that spam about free shells? |
| 20:10.58 | jelly-home | yes |
| 20:10.59 | pablo | troubled: yes, i am doing that, but the video options dont appear, only the keyboard ones, dont know why |
| 20:11.22 | troubled | jelly-home: is he doing one\nword\nper\nline\too? |
| 20:11.26 | jelly-home | !ops PuTTY| /msg spamming |
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| 20:11.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: PuTTY| /msg spamming |
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| 20:12.00 | jelly-home | troubled, negative on that |
| 20:12.01 | troubled | pablo: might be because you set your options to something too high to see perhaps? |
| 20:12.04 | crazyfrog | troubled: i tried "#dpkg -S `which emacs`.it says:"dpkg :/usr/bin/emacs not found".why?i have installed package emacs21 and i am sure it belongs to the package |
| 20:12.11 | troubled | jelly-home: probbaly cause i replied to him heh |
| 20:12.28 | jelly-home | troubled, s/him/it/, I bet |
| 20:12.31 | pablo | troubled: i set no options on dpkg and xorg |
| 20:12.32 | troubled | crazyfrog: try `which emacs21` instead |
| 20:12.54 | Juventino | jelly-home, i did that, that didn't seem to have solved it. |
| 20:12.59 | troubled | pablo: its a dpkg thing for severity of coices. think like "low, medium or advanced" |
| 20:13.14 | troubled | pablo: i forget how to change that though, one of these guys should know though |
| 20:13.19 | jelly-home | Juventino, is ipv6 kernel module still loaded after reboot? |
| 20:13.53 | crazyfrog | troubled:/bin/emacs21 |
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| 20:14.15 | crazyfrog | troubled:/usr/bin/emacs21 |
| 20:14.18 | Juventino | jelly-home, what's the name of it? |
| 20:14.27 | troubled | crazyfrog: no, i mean: dpkg -S `which emacs21` |
| 20:14.28 | jelly-home | Juventino, ipv6 |
| 20:14.37 | troubled | crazyfrog: you forgot dpkg -S in front still |
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| 20:14.58 | pablo | troubled: sure it is that? time ago i could do it |
| 20:15.16 | troubled | pablo: pretty sure |
| 20:15.32 | troubled | !reconfigure x |
| 20:15.32 | dpkg | i guess reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>".. From etch (Debian 4.0) onwards it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:15.37 | Juventino | jelly-home no it's not |
| 20:15.47 | troubled | hmm, little out of date that one is |
| 20:16.00 | jelly-home | Juventino, then it won't be the same error. |
| 20:16.15 | troubled | hey guys, how can pablo get the advanced package options from dpkg-reconfigure to show again? |
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| 20:16.23 | Juventino | jelly-home well it's still stopping at 99% |
| 20:16.29 | Juventino | waiting for the error now |
| 20:16.45 | Juventino | Question: how can i modify a network connection? |
| 20:16.51 | pablo | troubled: which priority should i use? |
| 20:17.14 | pablo | troubled: yeah better your question |
| 20:17.19 | troubled | pablo: could try the "--default-priority" option with dpkg-reconfigure possibly |
| 20:17.44 | pablo | troubled: i tried that and it is worse, it has no configuration at all |
| 20:17.52 | troubled | heh |
| 20:18.08 | jelly-home | !tell Juventino about interfaces |
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| 20:18.44 | drwahl | when i try to run fusion-icon, i get the following error "* Error: the "FusionIcon" module is missing. If you did not install fusion-icon to /usr, you may need to add the appropriate site-packages directory to your PYTHONPATH". did i miss something on the install? |
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| 20:19.26 | troubled | pablo: DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 20:19.35 | troubled | not sure if that var is valid still though |
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| 20:20.29 | Juventino | jelly-home, well the error now is: connection timed out |
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| 20:20.40 | pablo | hi, how can i get the advanced options for dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | -pkigh |
| 20:20.57 | abrotman | -phigh |
| 20:20.59 | troubled | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 20:21.03 | abrotman | rtm |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | -plow |
| 20:21.12 | abrotman | duh |
| 20:21.27 | troubled | oh hehe |
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| 20:21.43 | jelly-home | Juventino, that's a network issue. You can't help it, other than using a different mirror for that sources.list line. |
| 20:22.25 | Juventino | jelly-home i tried ftp.it and ftp.fr already.. |
| 20:22.36 | Juventino | though, if i try ping, it works fine! |
| 20:22.48 | pablo | abrotman: when i use phigh, it configures nothing of xorg, and when i put low, it still doesnt show the video options |
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| 20:23.20 | abrotman | ask your real questuion |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | lrnny? |
| 20:23.59 | pablo | abrotman: i am configuring xorg-xserver, and it never gets the video card configured |
| 20:24.04 | pablo | abrotman: right |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | bug |
| 20:24.13 | pablo | yes lenny |
| 20:24.30 | Juventino | ok.. here's another error: |
| 20:24.31 | pablo | ouhh |
| 20:24.40 | pablo | abrotman: it is a known bug? |
| 20:24.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:25.02 | pablo | abrotman: apt-get update wont fix it? |
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| 20:25.20 | abrotman | what if you run dexconf ? |
| 20:25.36 | pablo | abrotman: nothing happens |
| 20:25.38 | anomic | hi. i set up an encrypted system, using lvm. it works fine with a stock kernel, but i ran into troubles when i compiled my own. are there any special options i need to make sure i've added to my kernel for it to work? |
| 20:25.54 | Juventino | Could not create a socket for 2001:1418:13:1::5 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:1418:13:1::5 80] |
| 20:25.54 | abrotman | pablo: check the conf file |
| 20:26.09 | Juventino | Could not create a socket for 2001:1418:13:1::5 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:1418:13:1::5 80]<<-- that's the error i'm getting now |
| 20:26.09 | pablo | abrotman: xorg.conf? |
| 20:26.11 | troubled | anomic: initrd |
| 20:26.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:26.19 | anomic | troubled: what about initrd? |
| 20:26.25 | troubled | anomic: you need one :) |
| 20:26.29 | bitweiler | pablo: just use pkgsrc to install xorg-server |
| 20:26.29 | pablo | abrotman: i will have to edit it manually? |
| 20:26.34 | anomic | troubled: ah. i'll google how to make one |
| 20:26.40 | troubled | anomic: initrd is where all the magic happens like asking for your boot passwd |
| 20:26.47 | abrotman | X -configure |
| 20:26.51 | troubled | anomic: are you using make-kpkg? |
| 20:26.55 | anomic | troubled: i see. i've never needed one before. time to learn something new |
| 20:26.57 | pablo | bitweiler: what? |
| 20:26.57 | anomic | troubled: for what? |
| 20:27.08 | troubled | anomic: make-kpkg to make your kernel |
| 20:27.16 | troubled | anomic: if so, you just add --initrd |
| 20:27.16 | abrotman | pablo: ignore him |
| 20:27.18 | anomic | troubled: no. make menuconfig, make bzImage, make modules |
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| 20:27.29 | bitweiler | pablo: use netbsd pkgsrc |
| 20:27.42 | troubled | anomic: rather than worry about manual makeinitrd's, go read up on "make-kpkg" |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | bitweiler: not funny ..stop |
| 20:27.49 | simonrvn | bitweiler: stfu |
| 20:27.52 | bitweiler | okay |
| 20:28.06 | troubled | simonrvn: damn, you tell em! :) |
| 20:28.07 | pablo | abrotman: is it a bug from debconf or from which package? |
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| 20:28.28 | abrotman | pablo: try dexconf .. does it generate a conf file ? |
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| 20:28.45 | abrotman | pablo: if not .. your options are to X -configure or write it by hand |
| 20:28.46 | simonrvn | mr brotman there can back it up however ;) |
| 20:28.55 | troubled | heh |
| 20:28.58 | CharminTheMoose | can anyone recommend a way I can mirror the entire contents of the debian testing and stable repos with easy removal of old packages when a new version of debian is released? |
| 20:29.02 | jelly-home | Juventino, are you positive there's nothing in "lsmod|grep ipv6" ? |
| 20:29.23 | simonrvn | i told him to do that 30 minutes ago |
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| 20:29.31 | rm | CharminTheMoose, "debmirror" |
| 20:29.34 | pablo | abrotman: yes it generates one, but that xonf file doesnt work |
| 20:29.42 | warreng | random question... i'm returning a hosted box (dedicated) back to the provider, but i want to delete all data off it first... will "rm -rf /" actually work or will it stop part way when trying to delete /dev stuff or something? also, is there a better/faster way to destroy all data on a box? |
| 20:29.57 | abrotman | pablo: if not .. your options are to X -configure or write it by hand |
| 20:30.09 | Juventino | jelly-home yes, positive |
| 20:30.12 | jelly-home | warreng, overwrite the disk device instead. |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | !tell warreng about dban |
| 20:30.23 | Juventino | can it be something related to the router? |
| 20:30.40 | anomic | troubled: does that involve rebuilding my kernel? |
| 20:30.46 | warreng | jelly-home: whacha mean? |
| 20:30.56 | warreng | cat /dev/rand > /dev/hda1 or something? :) |
| 20:31.01 | abrotman | !tell warreng about dban |
| 20:31.09 | warreng | abrotman: can i do that remotely? |
| 20:31.13 | simonrvn | no, not /dev/random |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | warreng: uh .. no ? |
| 20:31.19 | abrotman | i thought you had it local |
| 20:31.26 | warreng | nah, it's a hosted box somewhere in texas |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | hence .. return |
| 20:31.32 | tanner | is there a decent Qt based Debian Package Manager? |
| 20:31.35 | abrotman | !shred |
| 20:31.35 | dpkg | shred, rap, powd, dude |
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| 20:31.38 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 20:31.43 | abrotman | tanner: adept ? |
| 20:31.44 | pablo | abrotman: which is the package that has the bug? |
| 20:31.50 | simonrvn | tanner: nope |
| 20:31.52 | abrotman | xserver-xorg |
| 20:31.54 | jelly-home | warreng, something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M |
| 20:32.02 | abrotman | pablo: it's in the debconf templates |
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| 20:32.25 | jelly-home | warreng, or, if you're paranoid, shred or wipe apps |
| 20:32.31 | tanner | how about a semi-decent one? |
| 20:32.44 | tanner | :P |
| 20:32.48 | drwahl | when i try to run fusion-icon, i get the following error "* Error: the "FusionIcon" module is missing. If you did not install fusion-icon to /usr, you may need to add the appropriate site-packages directory to your PYTHONPATH". did i miss something on the install? |
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| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | tanner, what's wrong with gtk+? |
| 20:33.02 | abrotman | tanner: adept or synaptic |
| 20:33.07 | warreng | jelly-home: ahh nice.... then another question... how can i reboot the computer if i've deleted the "shutdown" binary? |
| 20:33.09 | plaur | /msg dpkg laptops |
| 20:33.11 | abrotman | gnome-apt is gone IIRC |
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| 20:33.14 | warreng | i.e. wipe data, then reboot |
| 20:33.24 | jelly-home | warreng, eh, push the button |
| 20:33.33 | bitweiler | abrotman: just curious does xorg have a bug? |
| 20:33.35 | warreng | jelly-home: it's remote :( |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | bitweiler: i just said what it was |
| 20:33.45 | tanner | jelly-home: nothing really, i suppose QtCurve will eliminate any gtk/qt graphical differences.. |
| 20:33.47 | pablo | abrotman: thx |
| 20:34.03 | jelly-home | warreng, and you don't have a remote reset available? |
| 20:34.14 | warreng | jelly-home: it's a hosted box, so they'd reimage it anyways... i'm not really that paranoid, just wondering if there's a quick way to clean up data/etc |
| 20:34.22 | bitweiler | abrotman: i did see that |
| 20:34.30 | abrotman | he could debootstrap .. boot the new install .. overwrite the rest |
| 20:34.43 | warreng | jelly-home: i'd have to call 'em up, which could work |
| 20:35.12 | troubled | anomic: make-kpkg? yes |
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| 20:35.36 | jelly-home | warreng, well, you could try "echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger", but I have no idea whether it would work |
| 20:35.37 | RedFoxy | hi all |
| 20:35.38 | anomic | troubled: can't find make-kpkg in the repository, either. which is strange, because i've seen it there before |
| 20:35.42 | troubled | anomic: but you can make an initrd manually with mkinitramfs |
| 20:35.55 | anomic | troubled: i think i'll give that a try first |
| 20:36.00 | warreng | jelly-home: i'll let you know :-P |
| 20:36.20 | warreng | i wonder if i can ssh into a box after wiping all the data on the partition... |
| 20:36.21 | troubled | anomic: apt-cache show kernel-package |
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| 20:36.24 | warreng | sshd is still running in memory |
| 20:36.48 | troubled | anomic: btw, "apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search cmdname" |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | warreng, wipe the whole disk, not just a partition |
| 20:37.12 | troubled | anomic: apt-file is a handy way to find what package something is in when you only know its command name |
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| 20:37.23 | jelly-home | warreng, oh, and turn off swap before starting |
| 20:37.30 | bAndie91 | hi all |
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| 20:37.52 | Juventino | can someone ping ftp.it.debian.org ? |
| 20:38.04 | abrotman | you? |
| 20:38.05 | aleksanteri | sure |
| 20:38.06 | RedFoxy | i've a strange troubles with my server with debian server, in last week any web that i've on my server give me ramndoly a 403 forbidden error, i tried to search it on apache logs and syslog but i don't found it |
| 20:38.07 | warreng | jelly-home: just by unmounting the swap drive? |
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| 20:38.21 | aleksanteri | Juventino, 64 bytes from vlad-tepes.bofh.it (213.92.8.5): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=84.0 ms |
| 20:38.27 | bitweiler | so what's the bug in xorg, i see the workaround abrotman mention? |
| 20:38.34 | Juventino | hmm |
| 20:38.42 | Juventino | then why it is not giving me a reply? |
| 20:38.43 | abrotman | bitweiler: i never said it was a bug in xorg |
| 20:38.59 | bAndie91 | i use debian etch, and there is a problem on every terminals, consols, text-based-apps: not print utf chars correctly! |
| 20:39.02 | aleksanteri | Juventino, try pinging vlad-tepes.bofh.it |
| 20:39.09 | aleksanteri | Juventino, or 213.92.8.5.. |
| 20:39.10 | bitweiler | oh, so what was buggy then |
| 20:39.25 | abrotman | bAndie91: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. generate a utf8 locale |
| 20:39.26 | RedFoxy | any ideas? |
| 20:39.26 | Juventino | aleksanteri, well i think ftp.de.debian.org is working alright now |
| 20:39.30 | abrotman | bitweiler: i already said |
| 20:39.40 | aleksanteri | Juventino, k |
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| 20:39.51 | bitweiler | i backscroll and don't see it |
| 20:40.05 | abrotman | pkgsrc lastlog |
| 20:40.08 | abrotman | jeez .. kids |
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| 20:40.27 | bAndie91 | abrotman, thx |
| 20:41.28 | bitweiler | nevermind, i was just trying to avoid it as well |
| 20:41.47 | abrotman | bitweiler: it's a debian bug .. it won't affect you beloved netbsd |
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| 20:42.15 | abrotman | your |
| 20:42.22 | jelly-home | warreng, "swapoff -a" |
| 20:42.56 | warreng | jelly-home: cool.. thanks.... also, will that dd command eventually return when it hits the end of the disk? or does it run forever? |
| 20:42.59 | bitweiler | still, it be nice to know what it is? |
| 20:43.09 | jelly-home | warreng, yes, it'll stop |
| 20:44.10 | jelly-home | warreng, if you have another shell, you can try killing dd with USR1 to see how far it got, without stopping it |
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| 20:44.23 | warreng | usr1 will output progress? |
| 20:44.34 | bitweiler | abrotman: is it xserver-xorg |
| 20:44.34 | jelly-home | aye, tfm says so |
| 20:44.46 | abrotman | that's the package name |
| 20:44.56 | jelly-home | warreng, (and I tried it as well ;-) |
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| 20:44.59 | Juventino | jelly-home ok, got it working finally |
| 20:45.07 | warreng | sweet... i'll give that a try... i'm curious about the reboot thing too (echo b > /proc...) |
| 20:45.24 | Juventino | Question: after modprobe ipw3945, how can i configure it? |
| 20:45.29 | jelly-home | !tell warreng about sysrq |
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| 20:52.06 | warreng | jelly-home: nice... it's going at 50mb/s |
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| 20:53.39 | Juventino | guys, now after aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945, how can i configure the connection? |
| 20:53.48 | warreng | lets see... 6 gigs in 2 minutes... two 40 gig drives... total should be... 25 mins or so |
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| 20:54.13 | smartafk | heya, how can i reset all system sound on debian? |
| 20:54.16 | smartafk | on first state |
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| 20:55.19 | smartafk | anyone in here? |
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| 20:59.28 | stew | Juventino: install wireless-tools ; man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 20:59.43 | Juventino | stew thnx |
| 20:59.55 | stew | smartafk: what do you mean by "reset all system sound"? |
| 21:00.30 | smartafk | well i was playing with some tv tuners and now when i've unpluged from pc, i have no more sound |
| 21:01.01 | stew | smartafk: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 21:02.16 | pablo | hi, when starting x it says no optim mode |
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| 21:03.16 | stew | pablo: what exactly does it say? |
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| 21:05.12 | pablo | stew: no optim mode, recommended mode 1280x720 |
| 21:06.00 | pablo | damn, when will dpkg-reconfigure work for xserver-xorg on lenny? |
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| 21:06.09 | stew | pablo: it works for lenny now |
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| 21:06.33 | Juventino | pablo it works fine with me on a sid/lenny release |
| 21:07.02 | pablo | Juventino: i used the beta installer and it is not working |
| 21:07.11 | stew | pablo: if you specifically need that mode, you you may have to specify it by hand in xorg.conf |
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| 21:07.43 | pablo | stew: nono, i dont need that mode, and i specified and it still doesnt work |
| 21:07.58 | pablo | abrotman: is dpkg-reconfigure working? |
| 21:07.59 | stew | pablo: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and your xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:08.05 | stew | pablo: yes, it is working |
| 21:08.28 | kuber | http://img.waffleimages.com/114f1c22b4a3970b758dc3716865de79750aef39/6b98036bad99ef38a17e34bee96db980_700.jpg |
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| 21:09.12 | pablo | stew: but when i use dpkg-reconfigure it only configurates the keyboard, no video options are shown |
| 21:09.50 | warreng | hmmm... i've backed up all of /etc, /home, /root, /var/lib/mysql.... any other places that would contain data i might need at a later time? |
| 21:09.50 | jim | So I have found some xen 3.2 stuff for etch at backports.org, but what're not there are kernels whose package names have xen in them... why is that? do they all have xen built in them? if not, could someone tell me where I can find the appropriate kernel images? |
| 21:10.12 | warreng | i have everything backed up already... this is just the secondary tar-up-anything-i-might-need attempt |
| 21:10.35 | rm | simply tars whole root for backups, with a list of exceptions |
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| 21:10.46 | stew | pablo: that is what is expected |
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| 21:11.11 | Juventino | stew, did that, got wireless-tools, read the man, |
| 21:11.24 | jim | rm most of the time I back up partn by parth |
| 21:11.29 | pablo | stew: wht? |
| 21:11.30 | LoRe | damn, if i have thrown away a compromised cert, i cannot revoke it anymore, right? |
| 21:11.34 | jim | partition |
| 21:11.45 | stew | pablo: it sounds like dpkg-reconfigure is working as designed, then |
| 21:12.00 | abrotman | stew: there's a bug in the debconf templates .. when you dpkg-reconfigure .. the Emulate3 is missing .. it freaks out and quits early .. resulting in a useless xorg.conf |
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| 21:12.09 | sesarr | Hello, why dos debian weigh 2.1 GB with gnome removed ? is it me or isn't that a bit too much (im a new user :-) ) |
| 21:12.18 | abrotman | stew: fixed in git .. not in lenny yet |
| 21:12.30 | simonrvn | sesarr: erm what? |
| 21:12.32 | rm | jim, what by what?) |
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| 21:12.46 | sesarr | i installed from the cd with desktop and laptop opts |
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| 21:12.48 | jim | rm: partition |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | sesarr: depends what else you have installed |
| 21:12.52 | stew | abrotman: it sounds like it is working for him |
| 21:13.02 | abrotman | stew: he said it wasn't |
| 21:13.06 | sesarr | and then purged everything gnome related |
| 21:13.14 | jim | sesarr: you can install as much or as little as you want |
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| 21:13.36 | jim | sesarr, the min is about 300 mb or so |
| 21:13.38 | AwesomeGuy | should sound recording for the microphone be from /dev/dsp? |
| 21:13.41 | sesarr | great maybe ill just start over w/o enabling desktop |
| 21:13.42 | pablo | abrotman: can it be fixed some way? |
| 21:13.42 | jim | maybe less |
| 21:13.52 | abrotman | pablo: i toldyou before |
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| 21:14.10 | pablo | abrotman: doing it by hand is tough |
| 21:14.31 | jim | sesarr: you can start over if you want, but you can also uninstall packages |
| 21:14.36 | pablo | abrotman: can that template be fixed? |
| 21:14.37 | stew | abrotman: what is the bug# ? |
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| 21:15.04 | sesarr | starting over sounds faster to me |
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| 21:15.25 | abrotman | stew: isn't one |
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| 21:15.45 | jim | sesarr: ok :) |
| 21:15.54 | abrotman | http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/debian/xorg.git;a=summary |
| 21:15.57 | stew | abrotman: and you think whatever this is is affecting him? it sounds like its working and he is getting a usable config to me |
| 21:16.06 | AwesomeGuy | I'm getting a weird buzzing noise if I try recording sound.. |
| 21:16.08 | abrotman | he said before it wasn't usable .. |
| 21:16.12 | AwesomeGuy | in audacity |
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| 21:16.33 | abrotman | stew: see David's commit .. then julien takes it out completely a few days later |
| 21:16.36 | stew | pablo: can you show us your xorg.conf? ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:16.41 | pablo | stew: no i am not |
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| 21:16.55 | abrotman | stew: i'm crazy .. i blame the meds :) |
| 21:16.56 | stew | pablo: you are not what? |
| 21:17.02 | pablo | stew: how do i paste it on a pastebin from the console? |
| 21:17.09 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 21:17.09 | dpkg | somebody said pastewithoutx was you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 21:17.24 | jim | pablo: /msg dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 21:17.29 | stew | pablo: ^^ there are several options, or you can upload it to http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:18.02 | jim | pablo: and even one more too, seems to work pretty good too |
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| 21:18.40 | Caimlas | I just upgraded from debian etch to lenny(testing) on a thinkpad x30 (intel i830), and I'm experiencing some pretty atrocious performance. it appears to be xorg related, with rendering of almost everything being slow; for instance, switching tabs in firefox has a noticeable lag (.5s+), as does redrawing the minimizing/maximizing windows. has anyone experienced this, or something similar, and know of a fix? I've tried removing glx renderin |
| 21:18.43 | pablo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.26 | amphi | Caimlas: perhaps X is using EXA; if so, you might want to use XAA |
| 21:19.37 | jim | pick the one that fits the situation |
| 21:19.56 | Caimlas | amphi: interesting. how might I check which is being employed/change it? |
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| 21:20.06 | jim | if you do pastebin pipe, you have to install a perl module (which is easy since it's packaged and in the archive) |
| 21:20.14 | amphi | Caimlas: grep /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 21:20.36 | stew | pablo: your other option is to use xrandr to temporarily switch X to a resolution that your monitor can deal with |
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| 21:21.00 | Caimlas | amphi: eyup, using EXA atm. :-. any idea which .conf file option it is? |
| 21:21.05 | Juventino | well.. |
| 21:21.12 | Juventino | so far i can't seem to get it to work :9 |
| 21:21.14 | Juventino | ( |
| 21:21.14 | pablo | stew: that xorg.conf was generated with X -config |
| 21:21.15 | Juventino | :( |
| 21:21.19 | Juventino | i mean it loads alright.. |
| 21:21.26 | Juventino | but i dunno how to load the inteface.. |
| 21:21.39 | amphi | Caimlas: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:21.49 | Caimlas | thanks, i'll try |
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| 21:22.28 | amphi | Caimlas: that may help; EXA is not quite there yet, IMHO (although I use it here) |
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| 21:24.34 | blahblahx | where are the files for the gnome panel applets kept? |
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| 21:25.22 | abrotman | blahblahx: dpkg -L <package> |
| 21:25.38 | blahblahx | abrotman: i dont get it |
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| 21:26.25 | blahblahx | abrotman: ohh nevermind |
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| 21:27.27 | simNIX | Im trying to setup a Debian mirror using apt-mirror - after apt-mirror finishes downloading I tried to use the local ftp mirror - setup starts loading from it but then stops; it says missing package debian-archive-keyring - when I rerun ./apt-mirror it downloads 1,2Gb more - then its debian-archive-keyring is on my mirror and auto install w preseed works ... |
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| 21:27.52 | simNIX | ... when I run apt-mirror/var/clean.sh its gone again |
| 21:28.42 | rm | what is clean.sh and why run it |
| 21:29.07 | blahblahx | abrotman: that is a ton of packages. how can i narrow it down to the gnome-panel applet and remove that? |
| 21:29.26 | simNIX | iapt-mirror says so itself; it says; 1328570368 bytes in 802 files and 282 directories can be freed. Run /B/mirror/apt-mirror/var/clean.sh for this purpose. |
| 21:29.42 | abrotman | blahblahx: i think you did it wrong |
| 21:29.56 | blahblahx | abrotman: i typed dpkg -L tomboy |
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| 21:30.12 | blahblahx | abrotman: because i wanna remove the tomboy panel applet |
| 21:30.14 | tanner__ | is there a decent utility for managing [wireless] networks (for KDE) |
| 21:30.16 | bostjan_ | hiyahelp pls |
| 21:30.18 | abrotman | frfom your panel ? |
| 21:30.22 | pablo | abrotman: i installed etch debconf, and it wasnt fixed the problem |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | what?! |
| 21:30.29 | bostjan_ | wheres that resolv.conf again ? |
| 21:30.32 | abrotman | pablo: WHY? |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | bostjan_: /etc/ |
| 21:30.56 | rm | simNIX, oh sorry, i was thinking about debmirror |
| 21:31.00 | pablo | abrotman: why what? |
| 21:31.15 | simNIX | np |
| 21:31.25 | simNIX | I apreciate you trynig to help |
| 21:31.27 | blahblahx | abrotman: well im remastering a distro and i uninstalled tomboy but there is some residual panel config so on the remastered livecd i get errors about the panel app being missing |
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| 21:32.56 | pablo | abrotman: shouldt it have been fixed that way? |
| 21:33.29 | drwahl | is this channel logged somewhere? and if so, how far back does the log go? |
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| 21:33.45 | Shadow_mil | logs this channel |
| 21:33.55 | n-iCe | ok, who can tell me why is debian better than ubuntu? *G* |
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| 21:34.38 | xingu | n-iCe: Shadow_mil, by all reports |
| 21:34.41 | markybob | !tell n-iCe about why debian |
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| 21:35.23 | n-iCe | thank you :D im am right now installing it, let's see which one is better, I liked ubuntu you must know, but people have told me good things about debian, let's see, and read your links |
| 21:35.23 | apt | n-iCe: de rien |
| 21:35.30 | n-iCe | thank you, markybob |
| 21:35.30 | apt | n-iCe: bitte |
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| 21:35.44 | blahblahx | abrotman: you still here? |
| 21:35.52 | Shadow_mil | xingu, ? |
| 21:35.57 | amphi | Caimlas: did that make any difference? |
| 21:36.21 | n-iCe | how much ram does debian needs? |
| 21:36.29 | raidghost | not much |
| 21:36.59 | markybob | n-iCe, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 21:37.31 | Caimlas | amphi - thanks, man... that did the trick, I think. |
| 21:37.38 | Caimlas | amphi - is XAA the old method? |
| 21:37.38 | Shadow_mil | n-iCe, it depends on what all you want to run |
| 21:37.39 | n-iCe | 512 ?!?! |
| 21:37.53 | Shadow_mil | n-iCe, you could run a basic system on 32MB of ram easily |
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| 21:38.39 | markybob | n-iCe, recommended is different than required. you asked need, which indicates minimal |
| 21:39.20 | n-iCe | done, installed brb |
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| 21:39.59 | Caimlas | amphi: ... sorta. glx isn't working, still... hmm. |
| 21:40.04 | Caimlas | well, that set me on the right path; thanks |
| 21:41.02 | n-iCe | uhm I didn't get desktop |
| 21:41.04 | n-iCe | weird |
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| 21:41.27 | Caimlas | amphi: wait... was I supposed to put that XAA option line in 'device' or 'module'? |
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| 21:41.44 | bostjan_ | i have older distrubution od debian here .. iom missing resolv.conf |
| 21:41.47 | bostjan_ | of |
| 21:41.51 | blahblahx | could anyone pick up with the help i was getting? |
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| 21:42.12 | bostjan_ | can i add dns servers in interfaces ? |
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| 21:42.33 | jelly-home | bostjan_, if you install resolvconf, yes |
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| 21:42.47 | bostjan_ | how do i install resolv.conf ? |
| 21:42.50 | blahblahx | where are the files for the panel applets kept? |
| 21:42.57 | blahblahx | the gnome panel applets that is |
| 21:43.23 | bostjan_ | in this newerdebian i have like ..nameserver ... |
| 21:43.26 | jelly-home | bostjan_, "resolvconf" package |
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| 21:43.46 | stew | blahblahx: dpkg -L gnome-applets |
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| 21:44.01 | blahblahx | stew: thank uoi |
| 21:44.01 | bostjan_ | why didnt it install resolv.conf ? |
| 21:44.15 | bostjan_ | cant i add nameservers in interfaces ? |
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| 21:44.23 | RedFoxy | boys... i've a debian server with apache2 and i get a 403 forbidden on all my web ramdoly, what can i do to know what's the trouble? |
| 21:44.53 | bostjan_ | theres no resolv.conf in etc on older debian version |
| 21:45.01 | bostjan_ | what do i do to get to net |
| 21:45.18 | jelly-home | bostjan_, which older version debian? |
| 21:45.32 | bostjan_ | its version debian gnu linux 3.0 r4i3 |
| 21:45.48 | stew | bostjan_: you should upgrade to 3.1 and then to 4.0 |
| 21:45.55 | jelly-home | bostjan_, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:46.14 | bostjan_ | i type cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:46.22 | bostjan_ | argh im new on linux |
| 21:46.45 | bostjan_ | just need to get net up andstarting on this gui machine |
| 21:46.48 | stew | bostjan_: if you are new on linux, how did you end up with a 6 year old version of debian installed? |
| 21:46.53 | RedFoxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.12 | stew | RedFoxy: are you looking at the apache error.log? |
| 21:47.20 | bostjan_ | hm |
| 21:47.29 | RedFoxy | stew: nothing in that log, i found the error only in the access.log |
| 21:47.41 | RedFoxy | something like: 87.18.108.96 - - [18/May/2008:23:39:37 +0200] "GET /forum/ HTTP/1.1" 403 72 "http://www.google.it/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Ait%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=it&q=forum+softair&meta=&btnG=Cerca+con+Googl" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; it; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14" |
| 21:47.48 | RedFoxy | but nothing other |
| 21:47.58 | bostjan_ | if i dont have resolv.conf i cant get to internet ? |
| 21:48.13 | stew | bostjan_: create a resolv.conf |
| 21:48.17 | bostjan_ | k |
| 21:48.23 | bostjan_ | lol true |
| 21:48.34 | tomfmason | I found the linux drivers for my NIC (http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/netlink.php) and tried to do a standard build - make clean make; make install but I see make -C SUBDIRS=/path/to/tg3-3.81c modules; make: *** SUBDIRS=/path/to/tg3-3.81c: No such file or directory |
| 21:48.37 | bostjan_ | will that beenough ? |
| 21:48.40 | YodaYoda | bostjan_: You won't be able to lookup domains. You will be able to type an ip address to get a server. |
| 21:48.48 | antoin | bostjan_, put a dns ip in the resolv.conf |
| 21:48.53 | bostjan_ | k |
| 21:49.13 | joltcan | bostjan_: echo "namserver one.nice.ip.add" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:49.20 | bostjan_ | syntax on 6 year olddebian is thesame ? nameserver IPHERE ? |
| 21:49.29 | RedFoxy | bostjan_: have you tried "man resolv.conf" (without quotas) :D |
| 21:49.32 | stew | bostjan_: yes |
| 21:49.36 | bostjan_ | k brb |
| 21:49.57 | RedFoxy | good luck bostjan_ |
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| 21:50.25 | RedFoxy | btw, any suggest for me? |
| 21:50.32 | RedFoxy | i thinked that was APC |
| 21:50.41 | RedFoxy | but i've disabled it and it goes |
| 21:50.47 | RedFoxy | but i give that error too |
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| 21:51.20 | Bushmills | RedFoxy: directory listings of .../forum/ directory are not allowed |
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| 21:52.54 | RedFoxy | Bushmills: is 775 |
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| 21:53.38 | Bushmills | RedFoxy: not allowed n the apache config. or virtualhost config |
| 21:53.43 | RedFoxy | no |
| 21:53.44 | RedFoxy | 777 |
| 21:53.49 | RedFoxy | just a wronge |
| 21:54.11 | RedFoxy | i do a chown -R www-data.www-data . && chmod -R 777 . |
| 21:54.18 | stew | RedFoxy: don't do that |
| 21:54.19 | RedFoxy | in the root dir of the website |
| 21:54.27 | stew | RedFoxy: you don't want 777 |
| 21:54.29 | RedFoxy | just to test if is an auth trouble |
| 21:54.34 | RedFoxy | i don't want 777 |
| 21:54.37 | stew | RedFoxy: you need to enable the Indexes option for that directory in the apache config |
| 21:54.44 | RedFoxy | i was 775 in last months |
| 21:54.53 | RedFoxy | but now i've that troubles and i tested it with a 777 |
| 21:55.16 | Bushmills | actually, i *don't* think you want that, but be happy with the fact that permission is denied |
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| 21:55.47 | kalamot | Hello , there can somebody help me , i would like to disable one of my Ethernet interface, currently after login i need to type ifconfig eth0 down , i could not find what should i type in etc/network/interfaces to make it work |
| 21:55.49 | RedFoxy | Bushmills: how can i fix it? |
| 21:56.06 | Bushmills | RedFoxy: by reading what people suggest here |
| 21:56.22 | stew | kalamot: remove "auto eth0" if you don't want it brought up automatically |
| 21:56.33 | stew | RedFoxy: enable the 'Indexes' option for that directory |
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| 21:57.09 | RedFoxy | stew: Options All -Indexes |
| 21:57.16 | tomfmason | I am looking at the instructions from Broadcom on how to build the driver but they don't make sense to me.. Can someone else take a quick look at them http://pastie.caboo.se/199216 . In 2 it says cd src but there is no src directory after extracting it so I assumed they meant the directory I just extracted.. It gives the same errors from above |
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| 21:57.25 | BubbaT | I am trying to change my address. I edit /etc/network/interfaces then restart ifupdown but no changes. What am I doing wrong/ |
| 21:57.39 | kalamot | stew: i have only auto lo and iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:57.43 | stew | RedFoxy: right. that is the line causing your problem |
| 21:57.58 | RedFoxy | stew: can you explain me why? |
| 21:58.13 | stew | RedFoxy: i already have |
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| 21:58.24 | stew | kalamot: you need to enable the Indexes option for that directory |
| 21:58.30 | stew | kalamot: are you running network manager |
| 21:58.47 | tomfmason | this has been a real pita.. |
| 21:59.04 | kalamot | stew: i use ubuntu and i think network manager is running |
| 21:59.20 | bAndie91 | abrotman, :@ dpkg run 1 1/2 hours!! |
| 21:59.26 | stew | kalamot: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 21:59.39 | chasing`Sol | hi guys, i have been seeking for any help about blootbot, and i couldn't find much documentation, so if anyone knows the irc channel, please tell me |
| 21:59.46 | bAndie91 | and loads with 100% cpu |
| 21:59.47 | RedFoxy | stew: ok i put Options All in the conf and i stopped apache than chmod -R 775 . and restart apache |
| 21:59.59 | chasing`Sol | :O |
| 22:00.04 | chasing`Sol | nvm, found it |
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| 22:00.34 | haxi | what about HP webcams? I've a HP pavillon DV6500ef, and the webcam isn't working, anyone? |
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| 22:02.17 | RedFoxy | stew: what do that 'Indexes' |
| 22:02.28 | RedFoxy | stew: isn't just an idex of the directories? |
| 22:03.01 | stew | RedFoxy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#options |
| 22:03.09 | tomfmason | I have the debian etch 4.0r3 dvd set and it doesn't detect my Broadcom 5787 NIC. I found the linux drivers for it from Broadcom but I can't seem to build them. I followed the instructions exactly as they are in the README but I can't seem to build them |
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| 22:04.02 | streuner | tomfmason: do you have another NIC? NICs are cheap |
| 22:04.18 | tomfmason | no, it is on my laptop |
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| 22:04.31 | streuner | tomfmason: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 22:05.19 | jdavis_ | I am having problems upgrading from etch to unstable. If I do "aptitude dist-upgrade" it wants to uninstall gnome-desktop-environment. What should I do? |
| 22:05.28 | streuner | tomfmason: and show us the output of "lspci -v | grep -i eth" |
| 22:05.50 | bostjan_ | um |
| 22:05.57 | el_isma | how do I get a bot like apt for my channel? |
| 22:05.57 | bostjan_ | am i still connected ? |
| 22:06.00 | bostjan_ | kk i see |
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| 22:06.10 | streuner | jdavis: that package is a meta-package |
| 22:06.12 | bostjan_ | umwhat do i type to get ircclient ? |
| 22:06.13 | stew | jdavis_: and why is that a problem? |
| 22:06.20 | bostjan_ | apt-get install bitchx ? |
| 22:06.36 | bostjan_ | i got the net up |
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| 22:06.48 | bostjan_ | it was a cable unplugged |
| 22:06.54 | bostjan_ | christ lol |
| 22:07.03 | tomfmason | streuner: nothing |
| 22:07.05 | jdavis_ | stew: is that a joke, or is that package no longer necessary? |
| 22:07.07 | bostjan_ | thats why it did not work |
| 22:07.18 | jdavis_ | stew: I would like to have a desktop environment... |
| 22:07.18 | stew | jdavis_: it was never necessary, it is a meta-package |
| 22:07.22 | jelly-home | !tell bostjan_ about enter |
| 22:07.24 | jdavis_ | oh. |
| 22:07.30 | streuner | tomfmason: hm, wireless, just show us the output of "lspci -v" in paste.debian.net |
| 22:07.31 | stew | jdavis_: you should not expect the meta-package to be installable in unstable |
| 22:07.32 | jdavis_ | stew: thanks, I'll do that. |
| 22:07.33 | bostjan_ | how i install packages on debian ? |
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| 22:07.43 | bostjan_ | i need toinstall someirc client |
| 22:07.54 | stew | bostjan_: aptitude install irssi |
| 22:07.58 | bostjan_ | k |
| 22:08.07 | jdavis_ | stew: it also wants to uninstall libperl5.8, is that a problem? |
| 22:08.23 | tomfmason | streuner: it is wired lan. There is also a wireless nic |
| 22:08.44 | stew | bostjan_: however, if you are actually running woody, you might have problems installing new packages. |
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| 22:09.20 | bostjan_ | um |
| 22:09.37 | bostjan_ | it hasdownloaded it ..dont i need tocompile it orsoemthing |
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| 22:10.24 | bostjan_ | hum then i rather use aptitude install bitchx ? |
| 22:10.58 | mutante | bostjan_: try "irssi-text" instead of "irssi" yet? |
| 22:11.09 | el_isma | how do I get a bot like apt for my channel? |
| 22:11.30 | mutante | version? |
| 22:11.34 | bostjan_ | aha so i type irssi-text irc.freenode.org ? |
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| 22:11.36 | mutante | apt: version |
| 22:11.37 | apt | i guess version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d |
| 22:11.55 | streuner | el_isma: aptitude install blootbot |
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| 22:12.11 | mutante | bostjan_: no, "irssi-text" as the package name when installing it, just irssi when starting it |
| 22:12.14 | el_isma | thanks, streuner, abrotman |
| 22:12.33 | Aeroraptor | in the sshd_config file, how do I set it to accept multiple ports? seperate numbers with colons or what? |
| 22:12.43 | amphi | Caimlas: in the device section for your video card |
| 22:13.05 | streuner | Aeroraptor: man sshd_config |
| 22:13.16 | warreng | jelly-home: fyi, that echo-sysrq-trigger thing did the job |
| 22:13.20 | bostjan_ | it says irssi does not exist |
| 22:13.23 | bostjan_ | the file |
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| 22:13.31 | bostjan_ | do i need to compile that ? |
| 22:13.47 | bostjan_ | but it downloaded some packages |
| 22:13.56 | blahblahx | i apt-get purged tomboy but there is still some extra panel config because when i boot my livecd i get an error about the tomboy panel applet not being found |
| 22:14.02 | RedFoxy | stew: i do what you tell me but i give that erro too |
| 22:14.02 | tomfmason | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/3487/ |
| 22:14.16 | mutante | bostjan_: what exactly did it download. |
| 22:14.24 | Juventino | !iwconfig |
| 22:14.24 | dpkg | somebody said iwconfig was part of the wireless-tools package. |
| 22:14.35 | Juventino | !wireless-tools |
| 22:14.41 | RedFoxy | stew: http://www.softairmania.it/forum/showpost.php?p=761323&postcount=18 |
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| 22:14.57 | RedFoxy | stew: and i give it on all my website and on different files |
| 22:15.13 | tomfmason | line 158 is the nic I am trying to get to work |
| 22:15.23 | streuner | tomfmason: fine, can you update the pci db? |
| 22:15.27 | jelly-home | warreng, you got lucky! |
| 22:15.32 | Juventino | !wireless-tools |
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| 22:15.42 | blahblahx | anyone? |
| 22:16.01 | tomfmason | I don't have internet access without network access. I can download and copy to a cd though |
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| 22:16.32 | streuner | tomfmason: hm, what kernel is that by the way? |
| 22:16.40 | RedFoxy | Bushmills: have you readed what i wrote to stew? |
| 22:17.00 | tomfmason | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 22:17.01 | streuner | tomfmason: what kind of laptop is that (model)? |
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| 22:17.12 | Bushmills | RedFoxy: i don't know |
| 22:17.21 | manfre | I have an nvidia card (configured and working) that has component output in addition to 2 DVI. How can I configure X to recognize this as a device? |
| 22:17.22 | tomfmason | Acer Aspire 5315-2142 |
| 22:17.24 | amphi | Caimlas: you can grep your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for XAA to check that it's using it |
| 22:17.59 | Bushmills | RedFoxy: i mean, i didn't read what i didn't read, and read only what i read. |
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| 22:18.57 | RedFoxy | Bushmills: i do the Idexes change and i put de 775 permissions, than i restart apache but i give that error too http://www.softairmania.it/forum/showpost.php?p=761323&postcount=18 |
| 22:19.09 | Bushmills | RedFoxy: i did read that stew have you the url with the documenation, and asked you to read that |
| 22:19.14 | Bushmills | gave |
| 22:19.32 | stew | jdavis_: why do you want unstabl |
| 22:19.42 | bostjan_ | says hecant find package either irssi or bitchx |
| 22:19.50 | autojack | I followed the instructions here to install the nvidia binary drivers on my new Lenny system: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers they worked fine until I rebooted the box. now when I try to do modprobe nvidia, I get this error: "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Cannot allocate memory" Google hasn't produced any solutions yet. anyone else seen this? |
| 22:20.10 | blahblahx | i am building a distro closely based on ubuntu, and i wanted to remove tomboy. i apt-get purged tomboy but there is still some extra panel config because when i boot my livecd i get an error about the tomboy panel applet not being found, but it shouldn't even think there is supposed to be a tomboy applet |
| 22:20.12 | fde | !info irssi-text |
| 22:20.21 | bostjan_ | i type aptitude install irssi and aptitude install irssi-text and aptitude install bitchx |
| 22:20.38 | bostjan_ | but says he doesnt find them |
| 22:20.39 | streuner | tomfmason: /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 22:20.58 | stew | bostjan_: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:21.01 | jelly-home | blahblahx, you should ask ubuntu people about their packages |
| 22:21.27 | bostjan_ | hm idonno if i can pastebin since i dont have browser orgui here |
| 22:21.29 | JacobH | su |
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| 22:21.42 | JacobH | opps...sorry...wrong window! |
| 22:21.46 | stew | bostjan_: tell us what it says for "Installed:" and "Candidate:" |
| 22:21.55 | tomfmason | streuner: isn't that for wireless chipsets? |
| 22:21.59 | blahblahx | jelly-home: yeah |
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| 22:22.02 | streuner | tomfmason: yes |
| 22:22.06 | RedFoxy | stew: have you read my messages or just ignored it? :P |
| 22:22.10 | RedFoxy | sorry for bothering |
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| 22:22.30 | tomfmason | mine is not wireless. It is a wired nic |
| 22:23.25 | stew | RedFoxy: what are the permissions of /forum/newreply.php ? |
| 22:23.31 | RedFoxy | 775 |
| 22:23.36 | bostjan_ | it says 0 packages will beinstalled bc hecant find irssi-text |
| 22:23.37 | RedFoxy | www-data.www-data |
| 22:23.38 | warreng | jelly-home: ya, the dd, and the sysrq reboot worked like a charm... thanks!! |
| 22:24.03 | RedFoxy | stew: and now i get a very big list of differents file that my server give 403 |
| 22:24.10 | n-iCe | %92 ^^ |
| 22:24.19 | RedFoxy | stew: and all files have 775 www-data.www-data |
| 22:24.28 | stew | RedFoxy: they should not be writable by www-data and should not be executable |
| 22:24.37 | vjoe | cya |
| 22:24.51 | stew | RedFoxy: is there an .htaccess file? |
| 22:24.56 | streuner | tomfmason: what happens if you run "modprobe bcm43xx" ? |
| 22:25.17 | stew | bostjan_: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: and Candidate:? |
| 22:25.23 | RedFoxy | stew: yes, it's a simple url rewrite fdor only one file: RewriteRule ^((urllist|sitemap)_.*\.(xml|txt)(\.gz)?)$ /forum/vbseo_sitemap/vbseo_getsitemap.php?sitemap=$1 [L] |
| 22:25.53 | RedFoxy | stew: do you suggest only a 744 ? |
| 22:26.16 | stew | RedFoxy: i suggest they not be owned by www-data and i suggest 664 or 644 |
| 22:26.27 | stew | RedFoxy: can i see the apache configuration for this host? |
| 22:26.29 | bostjan_ | stew i donno what u mean |
| 22:26.46 | bostjan_ | is there any other commadican use like apt-get? |
| 22:26.57 | streuner | tomfmason: did you install the firmware as well? |
| 22:26.58 | RedFoxy | stew: sure, but i prefer in private if is possible |
| 22:27.33 | bostjan_ | it says nothing will beinstalled bc irssi-text cant be found |
| 22:27.34 | themill | bostjan_: it's a command that stew has asked you to run: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 22:27.40 | bostjan_ | aha |
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| 22:27.43 | stew | bostjan_: i mean type this command, "apt-cache policy libc6" then look at the lines "Installed: ____" and "Candidate: ____" and tell us what they say |
| 22:27.45 | bostjan_ | oki go type this |
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| 22:30.29 | RedFoxy | stew: with 664 the web doen't go... it give me 403 forbidden |
| 22:30.42 | RedFoxy | stew: it goes with 764 |
| 22:30.57 | stew | RedFoxy: no, that wouldn't have helped your problem, it was just that your site was much less secure the way you had it |
| 22:30.59 | bostjan_ | ok it says this installed 2.3.2.dsl-22 candidate 2.3.2.dsl-22 |
| 22:31.02 | anomic | aw, schucks. i still can't get my encrypted lvm to boot up, even after building an initrd image |
| 22:31.10 | anomic | it asks for a password now, but it doesn't accept it |
| 22:31.19 | RedFoxy | stew: i pasted the link to my conf in query |
| 22:31.28 | RedFoxy | stew: i know and i thank you for that |
| 22:31.49 | streuner | tomfmason: well, iam not sure what of these 2 are the wireless NIC is, usually atheros building wireless stuff for laptops |
| 22:31.53 | bostjan_ | bah we do this tomorrow i haveto go to bed .. working in 5 hrs |
| 22:32.00 | bostjan_ | gn all ty |
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| 22:32.07 | stew | bostjan_: you need to first upgrade to sarge: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 22:32.13 | FrankTheTank | does anyone here know how to exclude a folder when rsyncing? |
| 22:32.32 | streuner | tomfmason: so first find out which of these is the wireless NIC and what kind of chipset both have |
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| 22:33.17 | streuner | tomfmason: an easy way would be, just use a up-to-date LIVE-CD (grml.org) and see what kind of module it uses |
| 22:33.45 | abrotman | FrankTheTank: man rsync |
| 22:33.51 | tomfmason | streuner: I will check that out |
| 22:33.52 | tomfmason | thanks |
| 22:33.52 | apt | pas de quoi, tomfmason |
| 22:34.02 | streuner | tomfmason: or /msg dpkg kmuto (it has newer kernels) |
| 22:34.05 | themill | tomfmason: or paste lspci -n into kmuto's site |
| 22:34.15 | streuner | !hcf |
| 22:34.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcf is what denotes a modem being a winmodem, or modem drivers 4 linux at: http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/ |
| 22:34.21 | streuner | no |
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| 22:34.34 | streuner | !hcl |
| 22:34.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 22:34.35 | abrotman | hcl ? |
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| 22:38.04 | RedFoxy | stew: have you readed it? |
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| 22:39.12 | streuner | tomfmason: what themill means is, just run "lspci -n" and paste that into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:39.40 | streuner | tomfmason: it will show you what kind of module you need and its supported or not |
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| 22:41.21 | tomfmason | oh cool.. I will do that now |
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| 22:43.23 | Juventino | i have a problem with intel's graphics card on HP 530 |
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| 22:44.13 | ``y7 | im trying to figure out how to use grep and i created a file with "themaninthecan" in it and i typed "grep themaninthecan" and it doesn't come back with any results... any ideas? |
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| 22:44.27 | azeem | Juventino: which is...? |
| 22:45.02 | Juventino | azeem Intel 945GM/GME |
| 22:45.03 | themill | ``y7: grep searchpattern filename? or just grep searchpattern? |
| 22:45.07 | infernal_jesus | ``y7, have you read man grep? |
| 22:45.14 | azeem | Juventino: what's the problem= |
| 22:45.24 | ``y7 | infernal_jesus: im reading http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Grep_Introduction |
| 22:45.29 | Juventino | azeem, when i try to start X it says no device found |
| 22:45.35 | azeem | Juventino: which version of Debian? |
| 22:45.38 | ``y7 | themill, i have no idea what the answer to your question is |
| 22:45.51 | Juventino | azeem etch 4 |
| 22:46.04 | azeem | Juventino: you might need the etchnhalf kernel/intel drivers |
| 22:46.07 | azeem | !etchnhalf |
| 22:46.08 | dpkg | somebody said etchnhalf was "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 22:46.17 | themill | ``y7: what did you actually type? exactly. |
| 22:46.31 | ``y7 | grep themaninthecan |
| 22:46.36 | Juventino | azeem, no other way to make it work? |
| 22:46.47 | azeem | Juventino: it's not supported by etch AFAIK |
| 22:46.53 | streuner | the last URL is empty |
| 22:46.57 | azeem | dpkg: no, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 22:46.58 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 22:46.58 | infernal_jesus | ``y7, type 'man grep' |
| 22:47.02 | Bushmills | ``y7: what's that supposed to do? |
| 22:47.03 | streuner | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 22:47.06 | azeem | (installer images no longer available) |
| 22:47.13 | streuner | great |
| 22:47.14 | ``y7 | hell if i know, i seem to suck at learning linux |
| 22:47.29 | infernal_jesus | ``y7, type in 'man grep' |
| 22:47.33 | ``y7 | k, thx |
| 22:48.01 | [Hugo] | May 18 19:46:41.981 [notice] Opening Socks listener on 127.0.0.1:9050 |
| 22:48.12 | [Hugo] | done. |
| 22:48.18 | [Hugo] | Thanks! akem, dpkg, hoxu |
| 22:48.18 | apt | no problem, [Hugo] |
| 22:48.31 | ``y7 | ok, how do i get an explanation of how these manuals are trying to teach me? i've never been able to understand what they're trying to teach me |
| 22:48.40 | ``y7 | man man? |
| 22:49.12 | themill | ``y7: the manuals don't try to teach you anything, they're a reference |
| 22:49.24 | ``y7 | i cannot understand them though, they don't make any sense to me |
| 22:49.39 | ``y7 | surely there is somewhere i can read about how the manuals are trying to instruct me on what to do |
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| 22:50.26 | Bushmills | ``y7: you mean the syntax in the synopsis, with those [ ] and | and < > etc ? |
| 22:50.29 | azeem | dpkg: no, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 22:50.29 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 22:50.34 | ``y7 | Bushmills, yes |
| 22:51.18 | ``y7 | i was trying to read the page i linked you guys because it gives examples, where as the man's do not and i cannot ever figure them out |
| 22:51.38 | ``y7 | i feel if i were to learn how the man's work, i'd be set, but i just cannot understand them :( |
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| 22:52.13 | infernal_jesus | ``y7, man gives you usage it tells you everything |
| 22:52.31 | streuner | hm, unofficial on a official website |
| 22:52.38 | ``y7 | they make no sense to me, i can't even figure out the man's for vi or joe |
| 22:52.58 | ``y7 | ctrl+kh was more helpful in joe than the manual was |
| 22:53.17 | Bushmills | ``y7: read under " The following conventions" in man man |
| 22:53.39 | ``y7 | ty Bushmills |
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| 22:57.29 | n0mad | with wine wersion on debian repos ? |
| 22:57.33 | n0mad | is |
| 22:57.42 | n0mad | on etch |
| 22:57.57 | abrotman | packages.debian.org/wine |
| 22:58.08 | n0mad | ty |
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| 23:03.04 | Juventino | argh.. |
| 23:03.08 | Juventino | can't start X :s |
| 23:03.27 | streuner | what error? |
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| 23:03.58 | streuner | just use vga as driver and use low values for bpp and resolution |
| 23:04.19 | Bushmills | Juventino: doesn't matter, X is optional |
| 23:05.08 | Juventino | Bushmills i know but i want it |
| 23:05.30 | Juventino | it's a HP 530 notebook, and i can't get x to start, it says no device |
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| 23:05.51 | streuner | see above |
| 23:06.24 | Bushmills | i810 should do |
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| 23:07.22 | Juventino | it's so |
| 23:07.27 | Juventino | i dunno what's wrong! |
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| 23:08.14 | RedFoxy | [Mon May 19 01:06:39 2008] [crit] [client 41.210.223.90] (24)Too many open files: /.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable, referer: http://www.softairmania.it/forum/index.php |
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| 23:08.21 | RedFoxy | too many open files o.0 |
| 23:08.40 | infernal_jesus | RedFoxy, are the permissions correct? |
| 23:08.54 | RedFoxy | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 131 2008-03-04 14:52 .htaccess |
| 23:08.59 | RedFoxy | it looks ok |
| 23:09.04 | RedFoxy | i think |
| 23:09.23 | infernal_jesus | well it's readable :P |
| 23:09.28 | RedFoxy | whole directory is 740 and .php files are 644 |
| 23:09.48 | ma3x | what should I do about this? Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.3". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.3" anyway? [no] yes |
| 23:09.56 | ma3x | it then fails compiling |
| 23:10.03 | themill | !tell ma3x about vmware compiler fix |
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| 23:10.49 | RedFoxy | infernal_jesus: the "too many opens files" look so strange |
| 23:10.52 | RedFoxy | aren't it? |
| 23:11.08 | infernal_jesus | yeah |
| 23:11.41 | RedFoxy | i think that my server reads more file that it can do |
| 23:11.50 | RedFoxy | is it possible? |
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| 23:12.33 | infernal_jesus | RedFoxy, what do you mean? :P |
| 23:13.07 | RedFoxy | more reads request about a file more than the server limits |
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| 23:13.15 | infernal_jesus | ah |
| 23:13.22 | infernal_jesus | you're using apache2? |
| 23:13.24 | ma3x | themill: is it meant ./vmware-setup.pl there is no such thing! there is either vmware-install.pl or vmware-configure.pl (after the installation). both fail |
| 23:13.54 | RedFoxy | yep |
| 23:13.56 | themill | ma3x: no idea. Ask #vmware. |
| 23:14.55 | RedFoxy | last version of apapche2 |
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| 23:15.07 | infernal_jesus | hm.. |
| 23:15.11 | infernal_jesus | when do you get that error? :P |
| 23:16.16 | RedFoxy | errlog of apache |
| 23:16.21 | RedFoxy | error.log |
| 23:16.34 | [nix]-hack | anyone know how to get rid of tabs on sonata? http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5087/desknewpk9.png |
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| 23:17.12 | infernal_jesus | RedFoxy, oh |
| 23:17.46 | RedFoxy | mmm' |
| 23:17.48 | RedFoxy | ? |
| 23:18.36 | infernal_jesus | RedFoxy, I have no idea. have you tried googling the error? |
| 23:18.42 | Juventino | guys, is there a channel for laptops? xorg? |
| 23:18.45 | RedFoxy | i'm googling |
| 23:18.53 | RedFoxy | but i don't found nothing that can be used |
| 23:19.49 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, what do you need? |
| 23:20.15 | azeem | Juventino: what does uname -r say? |
| 23:20.44 | Juventino | infernal_jesus, i need to startx on a HP 530 notebook |
| 23:21.01 | Juventino | azeem, 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:21.20 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, your X isn't starting? what is the error that you get? |
| 23:21.29 | amphi | Juventino: what card is it? |
| 23:21.41 | amphi | !tell Juventino -about laptop |
| 23:21.50 | azeem | Juventino: install http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.24/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.2_i386.deb and http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/etchnhalf/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.2.1-1~etchnhalf1_i386.deb |
| 23:22.09 | azeem | Juventino: then set xorg to intel as driver and reboot |
| 23:22.21 | Juventino | WW I810: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:0) fount |
| 23:22.26 | Juventino | found* |
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| 23:22.34 | Juventino | WW I810: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 23:22.35 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, well there's your problem :P |
| 23:22.35 | azeem | Juventino: why did you put that in? |
| 23:22.46 | Juventino | EE no devices detected |
| 23:23.21 | Juventino | azeem if i do that, will my etch stay stable? |
| 23:23.23 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' :) |
| 23:23.44 | infernal_jesus | it should detect everything automagically |
| 23:23.46 | salvin | Juventino, your team is looser |
| 23:24.07 | Juventino | infernal_jesus did that a few times already |
| 23:24.16 | Juventino | salvin is that a football room? lol |
| 23:24.16 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, and? |
| 23:24.23 | Juventino | infernal_jesus same error.. |
| 23:24.24 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, same results? |
| 23:24.25 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 23:24.37 | infernal_jesus | can you post your xorg.conf in pastebin.ca? |
| 23:24.40 | salvin | Juventino, are you italian? |
| 23:24.44 | Juventino | salvin no |
| 23:25.03 | Juventino | infernal_jesus that would be kindda hard, as it's on the other pc |
| 23:25.07 | salvin | why that nickname? |
| 23:25.15 | infernal_jesus | oh :P |
| 23:25.25 | Juventino | salvin do i have to be italian to support an italian team? |
| 23:25.31 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, that computer doesn't have internet access ? :P |
| 23:25.52 | Juventino | infernal_jesus it does |
| 23:25.56 | Juventino | let me try |
| 23:25.57 | Juventino | 1 min |
| 23:25.59 | infernal_jesus | k |
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| 23:27.28 | salvin | Juventino, egyptian people support italian teams? :P |
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| 23:28.35 | Juventino | salvin u have a problem with that? |
| 23:28.54 | Juventino | infernal_jesus http://www.pastebin.ca/102285 |
| 23:29.10 | salvin | no, it's just strange |
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| 23:29.41 | salvin | however i joke... |
| 23:29.44 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, "Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired." |
| 23:29.46 | Juventino | :) |
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| 23:29.59 | Juventino | infernal_jesus http://www.pastebin.ca/1022285 |
| 23:30.00 | Juventino | sorry |
| 23:30.01 | Juventino | my bad |
| 23:30.32 | azeem | Juventino: why did you specify a PCI Bus ID? |
| 23:30.40 | azeem | it's not necessary in general |
| 23:30.44 | Juventino | i did not |
| 23:30.54 | Juventino | the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did |
| 23:30.57 | infernal_jesus | try removing it :P |
| 23:30.58 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.03 | RedFoxy | nite |
| 23:31.04 | azeem | Juventino: are you sure? |
| 23:31.10 | Juventino | azeem yes |
| 23:31.20 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, have you tried using the vesa driver? |
| 23:31.27 | Juventino | infernal_jesus no |
| 23:31.27 | infernal_jesus | or the "intel" driver |
| 23:31.41 | Juventino | there's no intel driver in the list |
| 23:31.50 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when it asks you what to use choose "vesa" |
| 23:31.56 | infernal_jesus | for the driver |
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| 23:32.09 | Juventino | infernal_jesus ok, gimme a min |
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| 23:33.07 | Juventino | should i leave PCI:0:2:0? |
| 23:33.49 | azeem | clear it |
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| 23:35.14 | Juventino | cool! |
| 23:35.16 | Juventino | started! |
| 23:35.17 | Juventino | thnx |
| 23:35.28 | azeem | but the resolution is off |
| 23:36.28 | Juventino | well the resolution is ok.. |
| 23:36.36 | Juventino | 1024 x 764 |
| 23:36.44 | azeem | it's not a widescreen TFT? |
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| 23:36.50 | azeem | then you're set |
| 23:37.00 | Juventino | it's a widescreen yea |
| 23:37.06 | Juventino | but i can edit that manually |
| 23:37.09 | Juventino | it's alright i guess |
| 23:37.11 | azeem | no you can't |
| 23:37.16 | x03 | hello |
| 23:37.16 | apt | hola, x03 |
| 23:37.18 | azeem | vesa only supports 1024x768 |
| 23:37.24 | x03 | apt: :) |
| 23:37.25 | apt | (: |
| 23:37.47 | x03 | apt: ;) |
| 23:37.47 | apt | (: |
| 23:37.48 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, 'aptitude install 915resolution' :) |
| 23:37.53 | Juventino | i'll try with i8xx again and remove the bus |
| 23:37.56 | infernal_jesus | it will fix the widescreen problem :) |
| 23:37.57 | azeem | infernal_jesus: it's /vesa/ |
| 23:37.59 | Juventino | infernal_jesus installed it already |
| 23:37.59 | x03 | apt: apt apt apt |
| 23:38.31 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, then install 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' |
| 23:38.34 | azeem | Juventino: if it works with i810 let me know |
| 23:38.36 | azeem | infernal_jesus: it's etch |
| 23:38.43 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 23:38.52 | Juventino | infernal_jesus package not found |
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| 23:39.17 | pablo | hi, do you recommend using stable for a desktop machine? |
| 23:39.26 | azeem | pablo: stable or testing, yes |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | usually |
| 23:39.53 | jim | pablo: what do you want in a desktop? |
| 23:39.59 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, you have 915resolution installed? |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | we already answered him |
| 23:40.05 | pablo | jim: not much |
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| 23:40.13 | Juventino | infernal_jesus yea |
| 23:40.30 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, have you rebooted since you switched to the vesa driver? |
| 23:40.31 | Juventino | but it gave me an error about Inter chipset not detected! |
| 23:40.38 | Juventino | infernal_jesus no |
| 23:40.43 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, reboot... |
| 23:40.46 | azeem | infernal_jesus: ?? |
| 23:40.50 | pablo | iceweasel crash on some sites that have many javascript things, is this normal? |
| 23:40.50 | azeem | Juventino: don't listen to infernal_jesus |
| 23:40.51 | Juventino | ok tried i810 driver again, didn't work |
| 23:40.55 | Juventino | back to same error |
| 23:40.58 | infernal_jesus | azeem, well 915resolution is a bios fix |
| 23:41.03 | infernal_jesus | and it fixes it during boot |
| 23:41.09 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, use the vesa driver, and reboot |
| 23:41.15 | azeem | infernal_jesus: and how does it magically make the i810 work with an unsupported chipset? |
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| 23:41.26 | azeem | infernal_jesus: are you sure it works with vesa? |
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| 23:41.27 | abrotman | pablo: you can try other browsers .. like epiphany or konqueror or dillo etc |
| 23:41.44 | infernal_jesus | azeem, yes, I had the same problem with slackware on my laptop with an integrated intel card |
| 23:41.49 | azeem | ok then |
| 23:41.54 | infernal_jesus | and I used vesa driver and 915resolution fixed it |
| 23:42.06 | azeem | as I mentioned above, the backported intel driver is another option |
| 23:42.15 | jim | pablo: not knowing much about what you want... I guess I'd just have to say yes to your original question |
| 23:42.21 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, use the vesa driver, and then reboot, 915resolution will make the widescreen resolutions available |
| 23:42.36 | pablo | jim: xD ok |
| 23:42.47 | Juventino | won't hur to try |
| 23:42.50 | Juventino | hurt |
| 23:43.34 | jim | pablo: start with stable, and keep backups of your entire storage... if you choose, you can upgrade. but once you upgrade, you cannot downgrade... but you can restore from backup |
| 23:43.58 | manfre | I have a TV setup as screen 1 and I am able to view it and move my mouse over to it, but I am unable to drag (or open) windows on to that screen. Anyone know how to resolve this problem? |
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| 23:44.02 | abrotman | or he could ignore you and just run stable |
| 23:44.32 | jim | abrotman: is there some sort of problem? |
| 23:44.47 | abrotman | we already answered him five minutes ago |
| 23:45.12 | jim | and so that automatically closes discussion. I see. |
| 23:45.13 | abrotman | and yet .. you just keep going .. until your PoV is known ... even if it agrees with what was stated some time ago |
| 23:46.06 | jim | my PoV contains information he might find useful |
| 23:46.19 | jim | is that unwelcome? |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | it did? |
| 23:46.49 | Juventino | infernal_jesus still it says wrong chipset |
| 23:47.29 | jim | abrotman: yes, it did. |
| 23:47.46 | azeem | Juventino: with vesa? |
| 23:47.55 | Juventino | yes |
| 23:48.10 | jim | in particular, the fact he can't go back from testing to stable via apt methods |
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| 23:50.49 | snowball_one | Juventino, did it work? |
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| 23:51.26 | jim | abrotman: having said that, the fact he didn't provide much info doesn't leave a lot to go on |
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| 23:51.44 | Juventino | snowball_one no :s |
| 23:51.47 | Juventino | infernal_jesus still it says wrong chipset |
| 23:52.02 | azeem | Juventino: so it's not starting up? |
| 23:52.04 | azeem | X I mean |
| 23:52.36 | snowball_one | Juventino, I thought your x started with vesa driver |
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| 23:52.43 | jim | thinks the xorg.conf is still pointing at the nonvesa driver |
| 23:53.19 | Juventino | no no |
| 23:53.22 | Juventino | X is starting |
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| 23:53.29 | snowball_one | but it isn't widescreen? |
| 23:53.30 | Juventino | i meant the 915resolutions |
| 23:53.37 | snowball_one | ah |
| 23:53.40 | Juventino | it's widescreen |
| 23:53.49 | Juventino | but the KDE starts with normal resolutions |
| 23:53.55 | snowball_one | Juventino, huh? |
| 23:54.03 | Juventino | can't i just add them manually to the xorg.cong? |
| 23:54.06 | Juventino | conf* |
| 23:54.26 | jim | so it's working but not when starting kde |
| 23:54.29 | snowball_one | Juventino, kde starts with a 1024x768 resolution instead of a 1440x900 resolution? |
| 23:54.56 | Juventino | well it was 1200 X 800 actually |
| 23:55.04 | Juventino | so it's not a big deal u know.. |
| 23:55.19 | Juventino | !iwconfig |
| 23:55.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, iwconfig is part of the wireless-tools package. |
| 23:55.26 | Juventino | !wireless-tools |
| 23:55.33 | snowball_one | Juventino, what kind of resolution is it currently, and what one do you want? |
| 23:55.57 | snowball_one | Juventino, for 915resolution you can put a line into xorg.conf |
| 23:56.10 | jim | Juventino: dpkg will reply to you only if you /msg dpkg whatever |
| 23:56.12 | Juventino | it's 1024 X 768 |
| 23:56.20 | snowball_one | Juventino, and you want 1200x800 ? |
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| 23:56.46 | Juventino | snowball_one yea |
| 23:57.33 | snowball_one | Juventino, well you have to do something, you need to tell it what kind of resolution you want :D |
| 23:57.46 | snowball_one | check 'man 915resolution' :P |
| 23:58.06 | Juventino | yea i'll deal with it later.. |
| 23:58.07 | jim | abrotman: I was also very sorry to hear about your accident... how's it going? |
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| 23:58.22 | Juventino | i'm trying to figure the wireless thing now |
| 23:58.25 | abrotman | ow |
| 23:58.25 | snowball_one | Juventino, lol ok, but it will work |
| 23:58.33 | snowball_one | Juventino, what card ipw3945? |
| 23:58.35 | jim | sorry to hear that |
| 23:58.38 | Juventino | why is wlan0 identified as eth1? |
| 23:58.47 | Juventino | snowball_one yea |
| 23:58.51 | azeem | depends on the driver |
| 23:58.56 | snowball_one | Juventino, it sometimes is, it doesn't matter |
| 23:59.07 | snowball_one | Juventino, have you downloaded the ipw3945 driver? |
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| 23:59.22 | Juventino | well i tried configuring it with iwconfig |
| 23:59.32 | snowball_one | Juventino, did you download the correct driver? :P |
| 23:59.39 | Juventino | but then when i run Kwlan, it give me an error! |
| 23:59.54 | Juventino | snowball_one lol yea, the button it blinking and the module is loaded |
