| 00:00.00 | Juventino | it's working i guess |
| 00:00.27 | snowball_one | Juventino, what error do you get? :P |
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| 00:00.52 | Juventino | Kwlan was unable to: Configure wlan interface using iwconfig |
| 00:01.26 | jim | that's the message you get? |
| 00:01.33 | Juventino | yea |
| 00:01.35 | Juventino | on kde |
| 00:01.38 | snowball_one | a lot of information... |
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| 00:01.46 | snowball_one | do you get a listing with 'iwlist' ? |
| 00:01.54 | snowball_one | 'iwlist eth1 scanning' :P |
| 00:02.01 | Juventino | and another thing: eth1 is not present in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:02.22 | bitweiler` | !dpkg debian base system |
| 00:02.38 | jim | Juventino: you can edit that... say, have you ever checked out /msg dpkg smart questions ? |
| 00:02.48 | azeem | bitweiler`: please /msg the bot |
| 00:02.57 | Juventino | jim not really |
| 00:03.08 | Juventino | snowball_one !! lol it scaned my network i guess.. |
| 00:03.13 | Juventino | i can see it |
| 00:03.20 | snowball_one | oh I'm snowball? haha oops |
| 00:03.27 | infernal_jesus | there :P |
| 00:03.48 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, what does 'ifconfig' say? |
| 00:04.03 | Juventino | only eth0 and lo |
| 00:04.10 | jim | Juventino: please do... if you adopt the suggestions and tips mentioned there, you'll have more success |
| 00:04.30 | Juventino | jim will do thnx :) |
| 00:04.34 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, 'ifconfig eth1 up' |
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| 00:05.04 | Juventino | infernal_jesus ok now it's up |
| 00:05.20 | jim | Juventino: you're welcoem... do it soon... it can and will be useful for the conversation you're having right now |
| 00:05.29 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, try iwconfig now |
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| 00:06.20 | marinosi | hello..I have made a deb package for freeradius as I need some options that weren't enable by default, I hold the package and now I get if i do dist-upgrade? |
| 00:06.29 | flyinprogramer | why is apt-get holding back packages - i try and update - and it's holding back 70+ packages |
| 00:06.36 | Juventino | infernal_jesus, what exactly should i configure? |
| 00:06.42 | marinosi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.43 | marinosi | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 00:06.46 | Juventino | the key, the ESSID |
| 00:06.46 | stew | flyinprogramer: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 00:06.48 | Juventino | anything else? |
| 00:06.56 | marinosi | what should i do? |
| 00:07.12 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, well I dunno, you were configuring it |
| 00:07.16 | azeem | marinosi: un-hold it |
| 00:07.20 | infernal_jesus | use the gui method :P |
| 00:07.22 | jim | marinosi: reinstall over the broken packages as a way to try to fix them |
| 00:07.23 | infernal_jesus | what is it? kwlan? :P |
| 00:07.27 | stew | marinosi: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 00:07.48 | Juventino | ineiros well kwlan still gives me errors.. lol |
| 00:07.50 | jim | marinosi: alternatively, find out why they're broken, fix them, and contribute the fix |
| 00:07.59 | azeem | jim: please don't recommend reinstalling until you've understood the underlying problem |
| 00:08.04 | flyinprogramer | stew - what ? |
| 00:08.09 | marinosi | I need the package of freeradius I 've built as by default there is a licensing issue with openssl and I had to build it my own |
| 00:08.13 | marinosi | I have debian lenny |
| 00:08.13 | azeem | 02:04 < stew> marinosi: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:08.14 | stew | dpkg: tell flyinprogramer about kept back |
| 00:08.21 | marinosi | So i cannot unhold the package |
| 00:08.34 | jim | marinosi: which are the broken packages? |
| 00:08.42 | azeem | marinosi: then don't upgrade |
| 00:08.52 | azeem | marinosi: or rebuild your freeradius against perl-5.10 |
| 00:08.54 | marinosi | jim: I don't know freeradius works fine right now |
| 00:09.16 | jim | then you're thinking about upgrading because? |
| 00:09.27 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, what errors does kwlan give you? |
| 00:09.38 | marinosi | azeem: is there any way to have both perl 5.8.8 and perl 5.10 to resolv the problem? |
| 00:09.45 | azeem | marinosi: I don't think so |
| 00:09.47 | flyinprogramer | stew - you could have been more helpful with run "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:09.50 | flyinprogramer | :P |
| 00:09.54 | flyinprogramer | kidding - don't get mad |
| 00:09.56 | flyinprogramer | i love google |
| 00:09.59 | flyinprogramer | don't hate me |
| 00:10.05 | azeem | !enter |
| 00:10.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 00:11.12 | flyinprogramer | rolls eyes at azeem |
| 00:11.24 | stew | flyinprogramer: 'apt-get dist-upgrade' wouldn't have actually answered the question you asked, which was 'why...' |
| 00:11.35 | Juventino | infernal_jesus: Kwlan was unable to: configure wlan interface using iwconfig this may be caused by system misconfiguration e.g. absence of the utility called or incorrect parameters passed. Please check this and try again |
| 00:11.37 | flyinprogramer | ohh |
| 00:11.45 | flyinprogramer | stew - fair enough |
| 00:11.48 | jim | marinosi: unfortunately perl is involved fairly deeply in debian... the system perl cannot be upgraded and will not coexist with another version of the system perl... however: |
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| 00:12.12 | jim | marinosi: you can build your own perl |
| 00:12.24 | azeem | jim: please do not give bad advice |
| 00:12.25 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, oh :P |
| 00:12.33 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, well you can always try the CLI way |
| 00:12.38 | jim | what part of that is bad? |
| 00:12.45 | marinosi | it is not bad |
| 00:12.47 | jim | he has that choice, good or bad |
| 00:12.48 | azeem | the "your own perl" part |
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| 00:12.56 | dustybin | why does my fail2ban keep on restarting itself |
| 00:12.58 | dustybin | root Sun, 10:42 pm [Fail2Ban] postfix: started |
| 00:13.09 | dustybin | root Sun, 10:42 pm [Fail2Ban] ssh: started |
| 00:13.16 | dustybin | it happens all the time |
| 00:13.26 | dustybin | once it happened at 7:25am every day |
| 00:13.36 | marinosi | My fault is that I shouldn't make a deb package for freeradius..I should have left it outside dpkg..Now hold cannot keep it :-( |
| 00:13.48 | jim | marinosi: if you do choose to build your own, you have to avoid some places to put it where it would interfere with debian packaging... you can put it in /usr/local, you can put it in your home dir |
| 00:13.52 | azeem | marinosi: 02:05 < azeem> marinosi: or rebuild your freeradius against perl-5.10 |
| 00:14.04 | azeem | jim: 02:09 < azeem> jim: please do not give bad advice |
| 00:14.17 | jim | explain how and why it's bad |
| 00:14.43 | jim | he has that choice, and that's -good- |
| 00:14.50 | azeem | jim: if you need this explained, I don't think you suitable for doing Debian support |
| 00:14.53 | stew | marinosi: i'd advise you against taking advice from jim |
| 00:14.54 | azeem | you're |
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| 00:15.23 | jim | why does debian contain a toolchain if it's bad to build? |
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| 00:15.47 | azeem | jim: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic and giving bad advice in general |
| 00:16.21 | stew | messing with something as core to debian like perl is a dangerous path, especially when just rebuilding a package is more likely to fix the problem |
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| 00:16.27 | azeem | marinosi: Debian recently (read: yesterday) switched from perl-5.8 to perl-5.10 in lenny; you will have to rebuild your custom debian packages against that to make them keep up |
| 00:16.31 | Benzi | hmm |
| 00:16.37 | Benzi | all of a sudden /dev/dsp stopped existing |
| 00:16.42 | Benzi | what happened? |
| 00:16.42 | Juventino | infernal_jesus, well i still don't get it :s |
| 00:16.45 | Juventino | i'm trying.. |
| 00:16.52 | Juventino | but there's something i'm missing.. |
| 00:16.54 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, don't get what? |
| 00:16.57 | marinosi | azeem: And if perl gets update , we should rebuild all packages again? |
| 00:16.58 | stew | Benzi: try 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' and see if it reappears |
| 00:17.04 | stew | marinosi: yes |
| 00:17.06 | marinosi | I mean |
| 00:17.08 | Juventino | and when i try ifup eth1, it says it's not configured |
| 00:17.13 | Benzi | stew, doesn |
| 00:17.14 | craigevil | whats wrong with just usign the version of freeradius thats in the repos? |
| 00:17.18 | Benzi | stew, doesn't |
| 00:17.21 | azeem | marinosi: no, Debian does this for you |
| 00:17.21 | stew | Benzi: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 00:17.23 | marinosi | then there is no meaning to "hold" |
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| 00:17.38 | azeem | marinosi: sure there is |
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| 00:17.55 | infernal_jesus | Juventino, well hm.. I dunno.. I g2g so cya l8r good luck |
| 00:17.55 | azeem | marinosi: it's just sub-optimal when it involves a core system service |
| 00:17.58 | infernal_jesus | peace everyone |
| 00:18.01 | stew | marinosi: perhaps you should be running stable instead of testing |
| 00:18.05 | Benzi | stew, what? (sorry, I'm a noob) |
| 00:18.18 | Juventino | infernal_jesus thnx anyway :) |
| 00:18.19 | azeem | marinosi: perl doesn't get a new major version in Debian every year |
| 00:18.24 | stew | Benzi: what does "uname -r" return? |
| 00:18.45 | Benzi | I'm on the debian-package kernel 2.6.22-1-amd64 |
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| 00:18.54 | Ashex | anyone mind helping me out real quick? |
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| 00:18.57 | stew | Benzi: is udevd running? |
| 00:19.04 | Benzi | no |
| 00:19.05 | Ashex | Trying to build a custom debian install for a winterm |
| 00:19.10 | Benzi | well, pgrep udevd gives me nothing |
| 00:19.12 | Ashex | getting this error when trying to install samba: http://pastebin.ca/1022316 |
| 00:19.26 | stew | Benzi: is the udev package installed? |
| 00:19.31 | Juventino | ok |
| 00:19.36 | Juventino | that's weird.. |
| 00:19.37 | Benzi | stew, 0.114-2 |
| 00:19.39 | Juventino | i closed it.. |
| 00:19.48 | Juventino | the button of the wireless.. |
| 00:19.50 | Juventino | opened it again.. |
| 00:19.53 | Juventino | and now it's working! |
| 00:20.10 | stew | Benzi: then it is odd that it wouldn't be running. what happens when you run "/etc/init.d/udev restart"? |
| 00:20.22 | marinosi | azeem: I run a server with freeradius in my uni where I need rlm_eap_tls .As known there is a licensing issue with that and debian.I said ok , I build the package I hold it , and now I cannot take updates.If this is going to continue , obviously it is not useful for a server machine.Disagree? |
| 00:20.30 | Benzi | it restarts |
| 00:20.41 | stew | marinosi: testing in general is not recommended for servers |
| 00:20.47 | Benzi | but /dev/dsp still doesn't exist |
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| 00:20.56 | azeem | marinosi: 02:15 < azeem> marinosi: perl doesn't get a new major version in Debian every year |
| 00:21.02 | marinosi | stew: well is an etch with testing packages |
| 00:21.05 | stew | marinosi: for reasons like this in addition to security reasons |
| 00:21.08 | azeem | marinosi: same thing |
| 00:21.08 | themill | marinosi: Just rebuild the freeradius package already. |
| 00:21.11 | marinosi | azeem: hope so:-) |
| 00:21.20 | stew | marinosi: it is even more strongly recommended to not mix stable with testing/unstable |
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| 00:21.45 | marinosi | stew: who recommends that? |
| 00:21.50 | V4Nelle | guys i have core 2 duo and i try to modprobe speedtest_cetrino to anable cpu freq but i get a fatal error "no such device" .i have lenny..any help? |
| 00:21.56 | azeem | marinosi: apparently you're currently dist-upgrading to lenny, or what command yielded the above error? |
| 00:22.07 | Benzi | should I run udevd? |
| 00:22.13 | marinosi | azeem: I have an apt.conf to etch |
| 00:22.16 | azeem | V4Nelle: it's speedstep, not speedtest |
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| 00:22.46 | V4Nelle | sorry...this i meqn :) |
| 00:22.46 | Benzi | actually, apparently "another udev daemon already running" |
| 00:22.52 | Benzi | and pgrep udev returns something |
| 00:23.49 | stew | marinosi: the debian reference, and most people in here make these recommendataions |
| 00:24.49 | amphi | V4Nelle: you should probably use acpi_cpufreq, I think |
| 00:25.23 | amphi | V4Nelle: I use that here on a c2d |
| 00:25.40 | simonrvn | udevtrigger |
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| 00:26.14 | V4Nelle | amphi: these really work......but i thought that speedstep is for c2d! |
| 00:26.41 | simonrvn | why did you take off the +q? :P |
| 00:26.59 | simonrvn | j/k jim :) |
| 00:27.07 | jim | simonrvn: :P |
| 00:27.27 | jim | I dont understand why I get punished for offering choices. it's -stupid- |
| 00:27.47 | stew | ugh |
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| 00:28.52 | Juventino | guys, i keep on trying here |
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| 00:28.55 | Juventino | that's how far i got.. |
| 00:29.09 | Juventino | iwconfig: it shows my network alright |
| 00:29.28 | Juventino | i made ifconfig eth1 up (the wlan interface) |
| 00:29.34 | Juventino | but when i do route |
| 00:29.47 | Juventino | doesn't seem that wlan is used for it.. |
| 00:30.01 | azeem | that#'s pretty vague |
| 00:30.38 | stew | Juventino: did you put wireless settings in /etc/network/interfaces? or how did you get your wireless connected? |
| 00:30.38 | Juventino | azeem, 1 min, i'll paste it in pastebin, but can you tell me what do you want pasted? |
| 00:30.47 | simonrvn | jim: dude, let it go (less ulcers that way) |
| 00:31.14 | Juventino | stew, it wasn't working at all, then i pressed the wifi button to turn it off, then pressed it again and it was on! |
| 00:31.44 | Juventino | stephbul and i don't know the exact setting for the wireless to be put in /etc/network/interface |
| 00:31.50 | stew | Juventino: is it currently associated with an access point? have you tried to get it associated with an access point? |
| 00:31.53 | Juventino | i read the man, but i just didn't know exactly what i need |
| 00:31.56 | Benzi | bump, how do I fix /dev/dsp? |
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| 00:32.08 | stew | dpkg: tell Benzi about alsa checklist |
| 00:32.33 | Juventino | stew yes, when i do iwlist eth1 scanning it shows my AP |
| 00:33.14 | stew | Juventino: is your AP protected by WEP or WPA? |
| 00:33.22 | Juventino | wep |
| 00:33.59 | Juventino | but i already did iwconfig eth1 key xxxxxxxxxx |
| 00:34.03 | stew | Juventino: you'll want to add entries into /etc/network/interfaces for wireless-essid wireless-channel and wireless-key ; man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 00:34.38 | stew | Juventino: you would also need essid ____ and channel N, but iwconfig is transient. /etc/network/interfaces is the place to do it persistently |
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| 00:35.56 | Benzi | well, artsd isn't running, and it says it can't start because /dev/dsp doesn't exist |
| 00:36.13 | Benzi | alsamixer also won't start, probably for the same reason |
| 00:36.18 | stew | Benzi: show us the output of "lsmod | grep snd" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 00:37.02 | heroxbd | Hello. Is there a debian offical package that provide a emacs frontend of apt-get? |
| 00:37.28 | simonrvn | debian-goodies-el? |
| 00:37.41 | Benzi | http://pastebin.ca/1022332 |
| 00:37.53 | ahboy | hey guys i have run out of room on my primary harddrive, i was curious if its possible to link a second harddrive so i can download programs and have them saved there? |
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| 00:38.29 | ahboy | like apt-get install xchat then this will be saved on the second harddrive |
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| 00:38.58 | Benzi | ahboy, you can set up RAID 0 |
| 00:39.08 | ahboy | but the hard drive also has to be linked so there wont be any dependency problems |
| 00:39.17 | ahboy | benzi what is raid 0 |
| 00:39.29 | stew | Benzi: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" show that your card is recognized? |
| 00:40.12 | Benzi | ahboy, RAID 0 is when you have the two drives contain one big virtual partition, and if you have a working driver for it, it can transparently make two 40gb hard drives look like an 80gb hard drive to the system |
| 00:40.24 | Benzi | stew, yes |
| 00:40.35 | Benzi | stew, alsaconf doesn't seem to have a problem running |
| 00:40.51 | ahboy | oh very nice will this work with a eeepc? i have two sd cards the internal and external |
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| 00:41.12 | stew | Benzi: then i'd suspect that your problem is just that udev hasn't created the device node yet |
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| 00:41.33 | Benzi | ahboy, not sure, maybe you should also ask on an eeepc forum |
| 00:41.40 | Benzi | stew, yet? |
| 00:41.40 | ahboy | okay :) |
| 00:42.11 | Benzi | it has been like this for a while |
| 00:42.15 | stew | Benzi: yes. and i'd guess that the problem is that udev isn't running |
| 00:42.20 | Benzi | I've had the computer shut down and rebooted |
| 00:42.20 | craigevil | ahboy: what do you have installed that you ran out of room? |
| 00:42.41 | Benzi | but pgrep udev gives me a number |
| 00:42.48 | ahboy | craigevil just some games and openoffice |
| 00:43.03 | ``y7 | are there any debian videos to where it goes over basic stuff and talks to you while it shows examples of it being done? |
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| 00:43.16 | heroxbd | simonrvn, there is a debian-el. But there seems to no counterpart of aptitude-like frontends |
| 00:43.21 | craigevil | ahboy: try doing apt-get clean, although Oo itself is around 300mb i went with abiword on my eee |
| 00:43.33 | ahboy | aww okay |
| 00:43.47 | markybob | too bad debian's abiword is so old |
| 00:43.55 | ahboy | craigevil would you know how to link another sd like benzi said that would really help too. |
| 00:43.56 | markybob | 2.6.3 is nice |
| 00:43.59 | Juventino | stew i read them, and configured it |
| 00:43.59 | craigevil | ahboy: my install with kde a few games and multimedia is only 1.8gb |
| 00:44.22 | simonrvn | heroxbd: only such things as control and changelog file editing support, and various dodads i suppose :/. |
| 00:44.28 | Juventino | stew and i added the lines to /etc/network/interface , still route doesn't seem to recognize it.. |
| 00:44.33 | stew | Juventino: then 'ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1" should connect your wireless |
| 00:44.38 | Benzi | ahboy, are your SD cards the same size? |
| 00:44.43 | ahboy | craigevil theres two that i really would like to get the mana world and planeshift but they take alot of room |
| 00:44.47 | ahboy | benzi yes |
| 00:44.57 | stew | Benzi: run 'udevmonitor' as root, then run 'modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss' and see what comes out |
| 00:45.10 | ahboy | both 2g |
| 00:45.12 | Juventino | stew, ifdown interface eth1 not configured |
| 00:45.13 | Juventino | :S |
| 00:45.19 | craigevil | planeshift is huge tmw isnt too big |
| 00:45.23 | stew | Juventino: ignore that and run ifup eth1 |
| 00:45.25 | Benzi | stew, bunch of stuff |
| 00:45.32 | ahboy | craigevil yep :) |
| 00:45.49 | Juventino | yea! |
| 00:45.52 | Juventino | it worked! |
| 00:45.55 | Juventino | thnx stew! |
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| 00:45.59 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 00:46.19 | stew | Benzi: but /dev/dsp still doesn't exist? have you edited the udev config at all? |
| 00:46.44 | Juventino | \o/ \o/ \o/\o/ \o/ \o/\o/ \o/ \o/\o/ \o/ \o/\o/ \o/ \o/\o/ \o/ \o/\o/ \o/ \o/ |
| 00:46.45 | Juventino | lol |
| 00:46.51 | stew | easy |
| 00:46.55 | Benzi | stew, whoa, it just started working, I don't know what happened |
| 00:46.55 | bitweiler | o_O |
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| 00:47.07 | Juventino | stew, last question, so i have to reconfigure that EVERY time? |
| 00:47.23 | Juventino | or the configs i did in /etc/network/interface are enough? |
| 00:47.46 | ahboy | Benzi why did you ask if my SD cards were the same size? |
| 00:47.59 | stew | Juventino: if you want it brought up automatically at boot, make sure 'auto eth1' is there. if you don't add 'auto eth1', the most you'd have to do is 'ifup eth1' when you want it brought up |
| 00:48.15 | Benzi | ahboy, I had a mental lapse, I started thinking about RAID 1, for which the disks have to be the same size |
| 00:48.18 | Benzi | ahboy, my bad |
| 00:48.37 | Benzi | stew, but even though /dev/dsp exists, nothing is coming out of the speakers |
| 00:48.49 | stew | Benzi: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 00:48.50 | ahboy | Benzi okay |
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| 00:49.27 | Benzi | ahboy, still, you might want to think about just moving stuff over to the new SD card |
| 00:49.33 | craigevil | ahboy: pop over to #eeepc |
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| 00:50.06 | craigevil | ahboy: if nothing else i would do apt-get clean and move your /home to a SD card |
| 00:50.32 | Benzi | ahboy, for example, I once kept /usr/lib and /home on one hard drive, and everything else on a second hard drive |
| 00:50.35 | Benzi | or something like that |
| 00:50.37 | ``y7 | how do you guys learn this stuff? it can't be by reading the manuals and asking questions here. there's gotta be a better way...? |
| 00:50.56 | themill | !tell ``y7 about grounding |
| 00:51.18 | Benzi | stew, oh right, it was arts |
| 00:51.36 | ahboy | awww |
| 00:51.54 | ``y7 | so you read the grounding and you're set to go? |
| 00:51.54 | Juventino | stew can you please check: http://www.pastebin.ca/1022342 |
| 00:52.00 | Juventino | tell me if it is right? |
| 00:52.15 | ahboy | okay can i su mv /usr/share /mnt/sdb1 |
| 00:52.47 | abrotman | you uh .. can .. |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | but you'll have to mount it as that |
| 00:53.47 | ahboy | aww okay so i will have to mount /dev/sdb1 /usr/share |
| 00:54.00 | stew | Juventino: it looks fine. you might add 'wireless-channel N' but if its working, you probably don't need to bother |
| 00:54.11 | Lagbolt | ``y7, yeah dude, google is where i got 90% of my info. it can be a steep learning curve until you learn to refine your searches but you will find related things and things you didnt know out alont the way more quickly increasing your knowledge rather than getting someone to walk you throught it so that you dont remember later what you did |
| 00:54.43 | Lagbolt | ``y7, if you are scared to break something, maybe practice on a second installation or a virtual machine that you dont care if it breaks |
| 00:55.02 | Juventino | stew it's working :) |
| 00:55.03 | ``y7 | im not scared to break anything, it's just that i do not understand anything i'm reading |
| 00:55.04 | Juventino | thnx |
| 00:55.13 | Lagbolt | ``y7, what are you reading? |
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| 00:55.20 | ``y7 | any of the manuals |
| 00:55.36 | Juventino | stew so i just add auto eth1 above that and that's it, right? |
| 00:55.49 | Lagbolt | man pages take a lil extra work to understand. sometimes start with examples on web then compare to man pages. it helps. |
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| 00:56.11 | Juventino | has hard time with man pages |
| 00:56.13 | Lagbolt | again steepish learning curve, some man pages are more or less detailed than others, and some have more or less examples . . . .web has lots |
| 00:56.17 | stew | Juventino: yes, if you add 'auto eth1' it will be configured for you when the machine boots up (or anytime '/etc/init.d/networking restart') is run |
| 00:56.22 | Benzi | thanks stew |
| 00:56.22 | apt | Benzi: pas de quoi |
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| 00:56.33 | Benzi | apt, what? |
| 00:56.38 | marinosi | azeem: here? |
| 00:56.38 | ``y7 | the man pages do not help me at all. my best shot is asking in here and then everybody points me back to the man pages |
| 00:56.44 | Benzi | wt... |
| 00:56.46 | stew | Benzi: ignore apt, its a misconfigured bot |
| 00:56.51 | Benzi | figures ;p |
| 00:57.01 | azeem | marinosi: by chance, please ask the channel, not individuals |
| 00:57.07 | marinosi | okk |
| 00:57.09 | Juventino | stew, so say i wanna login to a different AP, i'll have to remove these configurations and add others? |
| 00:57.50 | stew | Juventino: yes. and if this is something you are going to do often, you might want to use something like network-manager, which gives you a clicky interface to choose networks with |
| 00:58.27 | Lagbolt | ``y7, do you have an example? |
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| 00:58.58 | Juventino | stew, i got kwlan but to be honest.. i'm not impressed by it.. it's more of a pain ****** |
| 00:59.00 | ``y7 | Lagbolt, i installed proftpd and i've probably spent 5-6 hours trying to figure out how to add a username and password and home directory to an account and haven't had any luck with it at all |
| 00:59.24 | marinosi | I have deinstalled freeradius, upgradedd , rebuilt freeradius 1.1.7 installed freeradius and freeradius-ldap and then did again dist-upgrade, which it hold of course freeradius 1.1.7 as I told it so , but it downloaded freeradius-common and freeradius-utils which are for freeradius 2.IS there any way to tell it to never touch freeradius again??? |
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| 00:59.50 | stew | Juventino: if you are going to use a small set of fixed APs you also can configure multiple in interfaces using the 'mapping' options |
| 01:00.00 | marinosi | (this upgrade broke the package again) |
| 01:00.05 | azeem | marinosi: it might have done that to satisfy depends |
| 01:00.06 | ``y7 | it just feels like i'm missing a piece of the puzzle. in other os's you install the program, you setup the server and it works. and i know debian is the same way, but it isn't obvious what to do in debian where it is in other os's |
| 01:00.19 | azeem | marinosi: or add recommends, now that you're partly on testing |
| 01:00.38 | Juventino | stew hmm now that's getting a lil compicated, i'll try network-manager |
| 01:00.53 | Lagbolt | ``y7, so you want to add user accounts for proftpd? |
| 01:01.17 | marinosi | azeem: How can I tell it to not add recommends? |
| 01:01.22 | marinosi | is there any way? |
| 01:01.24 | ``y7 | Lagbolt, yes, but i don't want somebody to have to tell me how. i want somebody to tell me how i can figure it out for myself |
| 01:01.32 | ``y7 | because if i could learn that, i could stop asking you guys everything ;) |
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| 01:02.47 | stew | ``y7: do you have a more specific question? |
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| 01:03.18 | ``y7 | stew, i guess not |
| 01:04.20 | Lagbolt | ``y7, so you want user names that are not users already existing? cause i install it and i can ftp to my box no problems |
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| 01:05.48 | ``y7 | Lagbolt, i want to know how to setup a user account with a user name and pw, and setup a home directory and setup read/write/append/etc access, max up and down speed per account, max up and down speed over all, max number of logins per ip, max overall logins, etc..... |
| 01:06.06 | Lagbolt | ``ok |
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| 01:07.24 | Lagbolt | ``y7, seen this? http://www.proftpd.org/localsite/Userguide/linked/userguide.html |
| 01:07.54 | ``y7 | no, i'll take a look at it though. thx for your help |
| 01:08.00 | Lagbolt | ``y7, this might help too |
| 01:08.04 | Lagbolt | ``y7, http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-CreateHome.html |
| 01:08.33 | Lagbolt | ``y7, just google for proftp create user accounts to get started, then look around, maybe google proftpd createhome and then maybe add things like transfer speed control |
| 01:08.58 | Lagbolt | the idea is to search and learn what things are called so you can refine your search, it takes a while at first but you will get better at it. |
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| 01:09.04 | ``y7 | you got it working in seconds though, which i could do in windows. how do i get to that point of being able to get it working in seconds in debian? |
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| 01:09.57 | Lagbolt | ``y7, depends on what you want working, i got it installed and able to log in to my accounts in seconds, but i did not restrict or change anything. chances are i can go int /etc and find config files that have loads of information in them as well |
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| 01:10.19 | Lagbolt | ``y7, /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
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| 01:10.25 | Juventino | stew, i got network-manager , but how can i access it on GUI? |
| 01:10.37 | ``y7 | ya, i've already messed with that file, it was another hopeless effort |
| 01:10.43 | Lagbolt | ``y7, a lot of times documentation appears in conf files that is easier to read than man pages |
| 01:11.09 | Lagbolt | ``y7, are you trying to make ftp server that has users different than the normal users on your machine? is that the issue? |
| 01:11.13 | ``y7 | i think i need to call it a night and work on it in the morning again, gotta cool down. but i'll definitely take a look over all the pages you sent me. i appreciate your help with everything |
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| 01:11.46 | ``y7 | Lagbolt, i'm just trying to do basic things that i would want if i were to get rid of my windows xp machine |
| 01:12.09 | ``y7 | everything my windows machine does, debian will do. i'm just trying to figure out how to get everything up and running and it's been a huge struggle |
| 01:12.15 | Juventino | guys? anyone? lol |
| 01:12.26 | Juventino | how do i access network-manager from GUI? |
| 01:12.32 | koeppea | http://paste.debian.net/3498 |
| 01:12.37 | koeppea | and now |
| 01:12.37 | koeppea | and now ? |
| 01:12.49 | Lagbolt | ``y7, how bout proftpd web configuration? |
| 01:12.56 | koeppea | wops |
| 01:12.57 | Lagbolt | ``y7, http://www.debianadmin.com/proftp-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html |
| 01:13.04 | Lagbolt | that might help :) |
| 01:13.09 | koeppea | message in german ^^ |
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| 01:13.35 | koeppea | rm says argumentlist too long |
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| 01:13.54 | koeppea | how can I remark more than 256 objects |
| 01:14.00 | koeppea | in one directory |
| 01:14.35 | koeppea | OK got t |
| 01:14.46 | markybob | Juventino, in what? gnome? kde? |
| 01:14.48 | koeppea | find -exec rm {} \; did it |
| 01:14.51 | Lagbolt | Juventino, you need the applet |
| 01:15.04 | Juventino | Lagbolt will search for it.. |
| 01:15.08 | Juventino | markybob KDE |
| 01:15.13 | markybob | Juventino, aptitude install network-manager-kde and add the applet to the panel |
| 01:15.25 | Juventino | ok thnx |
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| 01:18.49 | Juventino | well, i got the KDE app, now it says, no network device found |
| 01:18.53 | Ryan52 | How do these work: 192.168.0.0/16? Whats the /16 part? and how do you know what its supposed to be? |
| 01:18.59 | Juventino | and when i try to enable the wireless it does ntohign |
| 01:19.11 | Juventino | nothing* |
| 01:19.29 | beware | cidr notation. 16 bits prefix length - as in, the first 2 bytes |
| 01:19.39 | beware | so the remaining bits can be anything |
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| 01:19.59 | Ryan52 | ah...I think I might get it...at least now I know what its called :D |
| 01:20.52 | Ryan52 | 192.168.1.3/32 would only be 192.168.1.3, right? |
| 01:20.57 | pythonic | yes |
| 01:21.04 | kgod | Ryan52: Yep. 1 IP. |
| 01:21.07 | Ryan52 | okay, I get it! |
| 01:21.12 | pythonic | and 0/0 is everything |
| 01:21.16 | Ryan52 | thanks |
| 01:21.16 | apt | Ryan52: my pleasure |
| 01:21.27 | pythonic | eh? |
| 01:21.28 | pythonic | thanks |
| 01:21.28 | apt | de rien, pythonic |
| 01:21.28 | humbolto | Do I have to regenerate my SSL certificates for my Webserver as well, due to the Debian SSL vlunrability? |
| 01:21.32 | kgod | Ryan52: Haven't followed this thread, but there are some IP calculators you can install which translate ranges to CIDRs and vice versa. |
| 01:21.38 | pythonic | apt: i love you |
| 01:21.38 | apt | You love you? |
| 01:21.43 | Ryan52 | humbolto: did you generate them on a bad system? |
| 01:21.44 | kgod | humbolto: If your keys were generated since Sarge,yes. |
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| 01:22.06 | humbolto | So Sarge was affected already. |
| 01:22.09 | pythonic | no |
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| 01:22.26 | humbolto | pythonic: No to me? |
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| 01:22.32 | pythonic | humbolto: yes :-) |
| 01:22.40 | pythonic | only etch, lenny, sid |
| 01:22.58 | humbolto | pythonic: OK, at least I don't have to touch the damn Sarge box. |
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| 01:23.20 | pythonic | humbolto: that depends where the key was generated.. |
| 01:23.31 | humbolto | pythonic: There. |
| 01:24.23 | Beerded | Q: multiline grep - is there one for Debian? I seem to remember such a variant some time ago. |
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| 01:24.59 | Juventino | !network-manager |
| 01:25.57 | hardbop200 | hello, and help! :) I have compiled the latest jack server from source, and do not want to use etch's package for it. I've put the package on hold using aptitude hold jackd and aptitude hold libjack0.100.0-0, but apt-get insists on trying to install these packages. obviously I'm doing something wrong...can someone tell me what? |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | !tell Juventino about msg the bot |
| 01:26.39 | ``y7 | if i type "ps aux" and it pulls up a huge list. is there anyway to search through that list? |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | grep |
| 01:26.53 | ``y7 | kills himself |
| 01:28.33 | markybob | yay, one less |
| 01:29.04 | Juventino | <Juventino> network-manager |
| 01:29.04 | Juventino | [04:24] <dpkg> I don't know, could you explain it?, Juventino |
| 01:29.08 | Juventino | :s |
| 01:29.53 | abrotman | Juventino: right .. he doesn't know about it |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | !tell Juventino about nm |
| 01:30.09 | kgod | humbolto: Note that if you're regenerating keys, one of the current threats is MiTM attacks. Be sure to clearly identify what the new key(s) is/are and how to determine their validity. |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | Juventino: see .. but that was wrong .. not what you were looking for |
| 01:30.24 | Juventino | New Maintainer?? |
| 01:30.39 | humbolto | kgod: |
| 01:30.44 | humbolto | kgod: Yes, thanks |
| 01:32.42 | Juventino | well i downloaded the network-manager-kde, but i can't get it to see/recognize my interfaces :s |
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| 01:36.05 | Juventino | andash, what will allow-hotplug eth1 results into? |
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| 01:41.30 | Lagbolt | Juventino, is it a permissions problem or something else? does it give error? |
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| 01:42.11 | Juventino | Lagbolt i already added my user to netdev, |
| 01:42.29 | Juventino | and it just keeps on giving me the msg: No network device found |
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| 01:42.44 | Juventino | i click on enable wireless nothing |
| 01:42.50 | liable | you need to comment your ifaces in interfaces file |
| 01:42.52 | Juventino | i click on offline mode nothing |
| 01:43.06 | liable | then restart networking and NM |
| 01:43.08 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin your interfaces file |
| 01:43.09 | Juventino | liable you mean comment them out? |
| 01:43.14 | liable | yes |
| 01:43.19 | Juventino | Lagbolt sure 1 min |
| 01:43.25 | Juventino | liable i commented them out already |
| 01:43.37 | liable | did you restart networking? |
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| 01:44.34 | Beerded | nvm - pcregrep -M solves it |
| 01:46.37 | ``y7 | i'd like to do my part by giving back... if you /msg dpkg docs, in the message, it says "expect to be told to RFTM by an impatient volunteers." RFTM should be RTFM |
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| 01:47.10 | lkthomas | guys |
| 01:47.15 | lkthomas | I am wondering if it is debian bug |
| 01:47.17 | lkthomas | [logrotate] <defunct> |
| 01:47.31 | lkthomas | almost all my debian system got defunct logrotate session |
| 01:47.35 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why |
| 01:47.36 | Juventino | Lagbolt http://www.pastebin.ca/1022388 |
| 01:47.41 | Juventino | liable yes done that |
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| 01:48.16 | stew | ``y7: fixed, thanks |
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| 01:50.20 | Lagbolt | Juventino, you have too much in there, netmanager wants a nice clean interfaces |
| 01:50.36 | Lagbolt | delete the "wireless" lines |
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| 01:50.57 | webPragmatist | is there a exchange alternative to linux that is well known? |
| 01:50.57 | Juventino | Lagbolt, i already made a new one, with no eth0 or eth1 |
| 01:51.01 | webPragmatist | I am looking at postpath |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | webPragmatist: there is openexchange |
| 01:51.16 | Lagbolt | http://www.pastebin.ca/1022392 |
| 01:51.22 | Lagbolt | Juventino, make the file look like this |
| 01:51.29 | Lagbolt | then restart networking and network manager |
| 01:51.47 | Juventino | Lagbolt hmm i don't have a network running now |
| 01:52.01 | Juventino | i mean i already made a ifdown eth0 and ifdown eth1 |
| 01:52.10 | Lagbolt | by restart i mean /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:52.18 | Lagbolt | change it to match my pastebin |
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| 01:53.10 | Juventino | Lagbolt done the 1st part |
| 01:53.40 | Juventino | restarting |
| 01:53.55 | Lagbolt | then restart net manager it is in like /etc/dbus/events.d/25networkmanager restart or something like that |
| 01:54.06 | Lagbolt | not sure i removed net manager from mine :) |
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| 01:55.03 | Juventino | hmm |
| 01:55.09 | Juventino | 25 networkmanager? |
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| 01:55.11 | Juventino | 1 sec |
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| 01:56.01 | Lagbolt | there is a file in /etc/dbus-1/dir/##networkmanager |
| 01:56.18 | Lagbolt | i dont remember if dir is events.d system.d or session.d or the ## but you can restart it there |
| 01:56.21 | Juventino | yea yea |
| 01:56.24 | Juventino | it was right |
| 01:56.32 | Juventino | except it was /dbus-1 |
| 01:56.40 | DynV | I just turned all the application that uses the sound and reopened one and it still says that there's an application that uses the audio device, is there a command to unreserve it ? |
| 01:56.58 | abrotman | you can use fuser or lsof to find out what is using it |
| 01:57.00 | Juventino | ok, restarted |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | likely your browser and flash |
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| 01:58.08 | DynV | abrotman: oh ! right flash .... ty ! |
| 01:58.10 | Lagbolt | now try it out |
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| 01:59.55 | Juventino | Lagbolt it's still not showing any network activity :S |
| 02:00.12 | Juventino | is there like a network-manager settings file i need to edit or something? |
| 02:00.25 | DynV | abrotman: but would there be a way to cut the resvation from the source ? |
| 02:00.37 | abrotman | the what? |
| 02:00.53 | Lagbolt | activity? when you left click does it show anything? |
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| 02:01.34 | Juventino | ok ok |
| 02:01.37 | Juventino | now it worked.. |
| 02:01.41 | Juventino | i restarted it again |
| 02:01.43 | Juventino | thnx :D |
| 02:01.54 | Lagbolt | Juventino, shouldnt need to edit anything, if you interfaces is nice and generic. have you messed with network settings anywhere else? |
| 02:02.00 | Lagbolt | oh great!:) |
| 02:02.15 | Lagbolt | yeah got to get them all started and happy |
| 02:02.27 | Juventino | yea they are :D |
| 02:02.28 | Lagbolt | normally i stop them and bring them up 1 at a time instead of restarts |
| 02:02.30 | Juventino | thnx a million |
| 02:02.32 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 02:02.41 | Juventino | one last question .. lol |
| 02:02.44 | Juventino | and then i'll go to bed.. |
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| 02:02.49 | unixSnob | Suppose I know the full path of a deb file that I want to install (http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/binary/curl_7.15.5-1osso1_armel.deb)... how do I add the relevent catalog/repository so apt-get finds the package, along w/ deps? |
| 02:02.52 | Juventino | cause i know i exhaust you guys tonight.. |
| 02:02.55 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:02.58 | Lagbolt | its ok |
| 02:03.00 | BubbaT | Is there a small low disk space GUI web browser? |
| 02:03.12 | Juventino | well, how do i check if my sound is working or not? |
| 02:03.26 | Juventino | it's a laptop, and from what i saw so far.. it was made for microsoft.. lol |
| 02:03.38 | Juventino | not for linux.. so i'm having a hard time with every single device.. |
| 02:03.46 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, i think so, maybe arachne? |
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| 02:04.03 | Lagbolt | Juventino, what laptop is it, make and model |
| 02:04.12 | unixSnob | BubbaT: whatever is used in the damn small linux distro |
| 02:04.14 | Juventino | HP 530 notebook |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | unixSnob: you'd need the Release stuff |
| 02:04.29 | abrotman | BubbaT: dillo |
| 02:04.30 | Juventino | i just removed the vista from it.. thought it's vista ready.. it was TOO HEAVY! |
| 02:05.08 | Lagbolt | HP eh, is that pavillion? i have hp |
| 02:05.10 | Lagbolt | works great |
| 02:05.13 | unixSnob | abrotman: I'm not sure what you mean by that. |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | unixSnob: are you sure it's a real debian repository ? |
| 02:05.54 | Juventino | Lagbolt, not pavillion i guess, it's a business notebook |
| 02:05.58 | Juventino | nothing fancy lol |
| 02:06.03 | abrotman | unixSnob: http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | read .. it tells you how |
| 02:06.13 | Lagbolt | Juventino, well looks like intel inside. doesit have intel wireless or broadcom? |
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| 02:06.33 | Juventino | Lagbolt yea |
| 02:06.36 | unixSnob | no, i'm not sure, but I doubt it |
| 02:06.39 | Juventino | and intel vga :s |
| 02:06.46 | Juventino | and even intel SATA lol |
| 02:06.46 | Lagbolt | intel wireless? |
| 02:06.53 | Lagbolt | you should be in good shape |
| 02:06.55 | unixSnob | this is for maemo os, which is modeled after debian |
| 02:07.06 | unixSnob | maemo has apt-get |
| 02:07.36 | abrotman | unixSnob: the website tells you how .. i'm not going to repeat the website |
| 02:07.53 | Juventino | well, i mean, so far i had problems with every lil thing.. lol vga, wireless.. so why should the sound works with no problems? lol |
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| 02:08.32 | Lagbolt | you did? |
| 02:08.40 | Lagbolt | prob cause you have to install intel vid and wireless drivers |
| 02:08.46 | Lagbolt | but alsa prob is cool with audio chipset |
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| 02:09.02 | Juventino | ok, i will get a mp3 player, and check it.. |
| 02:09.27 | spx2 | I want to backup a harddisk by taking it's image over ftp to another computer |
| 02:09.30 | spx2 | how do I do that ? |
| 02:09.37 | stew | Juventino: try aplay |
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| 02:10.18 | stew | unixSnob: please go to #maemo for help with maemo |
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| 02:11.40 | snarkilator | Hi |
| 02:11.40 | apt | bonjour |
| 02:12.00 | snarkilator | Im installing debian today, and I just installed X11(through apt with: apt-get xserver-xorg) |
| 02:12.02 | lkthomas | anyone know if exim could do backend CC received email to another server ? |
| 02:12.14 | snarkilator | when I run startx it prints the following output |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | lkthomas: probably want to ask #exim |
| 02:12.37 | lkthomas | I did, no one answer yet |
| 02:12.43 | snarkilator | http://dpaste.com/51161/ |
| 02:12.46 | stew | snarkilator: install the xorg package |
| 02:12.58 | snarkilator | apt-get install xorg? |
| 02:13.15 | stew | snarkilator: yes |
| 02:13.17 | snarkilator | ok |
| 02:13.18 | snarkilator | thanks |
| 02:13.18 | apt | gern geschehen, snarkilator |
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| 02:13.28 | snarkilator | ? |
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| 02:13.58 | stew | snarkilator: ignore apt, its a misconfigured bot |
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| 02:14.06 | snarkilator | oh, lol |
| 02:14.17 | markybob | stew, thank you! i've been asking for that for three days! |
| 02:14.21 | snarkilator | French? |
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| 02:14.39 | snarkilator | Thanks, it worked! |
| 02:14.56 | snarkilator | now, to install gnome :) |
| 02:15.02 | spx2 | if I have freespace on a device does dd take that also ? |
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| 02:16.25 | snarkilator | Whats the command that shows what other pacakges a package will install? |
| 02:16.30 | snarkilator | aptitude show? |
| 02:16.32 | stew | snarkilator: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 02:16.43 | stew | snarkilator: apt-get --simulate install packagename |
| 02:16.56 | snarkilator | Thanks |
| 02:16.56 | apt | pas de quoi, snarkilator |
| 02:17.51 | snarkilator | Does dpkg install gnome only install gnome? |
| 02:17.51 | Juventino | i have a very.. weird.. question.. lol |
| 02:18.00 | snarkilator | I don't want all this extra stuff like Gedit and Evolution |
| 02:18.00 | Juventino | will beryl work on that laptop? |
| 02:18.11 | Juventino | i mean.. i don't even have a driver for the vga card so far.. |
| 02:18.27 | stew | snarkilator: no, i meant that as a command to type into your irc client |
| 02:18.31 | stew | dpkg: tell snarkilator about install gnome |
| 02:18.39 | snarkilator | oh |
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| 02:18.43 | Lagbolt | beryl eh |
| 02:18.47 | Lagbolt | yeah it will |
| 02:18.59 | snarkilator | Whoa, thats cool |
| 02:19.01 | Lagbolt | you should get intel vid driver goin |
| 02:19.01 | snarkilator | is that a bot? |
| 02:19.09 | stew | snarkilator: /msg dpkg what are you |
| 02:19.20 | Juventino | Lagbolt, i can't find intel's :s had to use vesa to get X running, |
| 02:19.33 | Juventino | even the i810 driver kept on giving me a bus error |
| 02:19.41 | Lagbolt | Juventino, lspci <-- what does it say about driver |
| 02:19.54 | Juventino | it says it's intel yea, |
| 02:19.58 | Lagbolt | Juventino, did you install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 02:20.08 | Juventino | Lagbolt, it can't be found.. |
| 02:20.20 | Lagbolt | hmm can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 02:20.25 | stew | Lagbolt: he's on stable |
| 02:20.29 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 02:20.31 | Lagbolt | gotcha |
| 02:20.39 | Juventino | so anyway to solve that? |
| 02:20.40 | Lagbolt | thats in backports right? |
| 02:20.45 | stew | no |
| 02:20.53 | Juventino | i mean, i wanna keep it stable after all.. |
| 02:21.06 | Juventino | cause, as you sure have noticed, am a total noob.. lol |
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| 02:22.30 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
| 02:23.43 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i dont know, i dont see it listed in debian backports |
| 02:23.56 | Lagbolt | anyone know about getting xorg intel video in etch? |
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| 02:27.42 | Juventino | hmm i'm trying installing alsa now.. |
| 02:28.08 | Juventino | see, that's what a noob gets for installing etch from scratch.. lol |
| 02:28.10 | Lagbolt | Juventino, what are you installing? |
| 02:28.19 | Juventino | aptitude install alsa |
| 02:28.21 | Lagbolt | lol, Juventino its cool, you gotta learn |
| 02:28.33 | Juventino | well too much for a noob Lagbolt |
| 02:28.34 | Juventino | lol |
| 02:28.34 | Lagbolt | no dude, there is no alsa package is there? |
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| 02:28.48 | Juventino | well it installed alsa-base |
| 02:28.54 | Juventino | and alsa-utils |
| 02:29.02 | Lagbolt | oh metapackage |
| 02:29.06 | Juventino | yea |
| 02:29.08 | Lagbolt | yeah that will do it |
| 02:30.44 | Juventino | yea.. still kmplayer won't play a single mp3.. lol |
| 02:30.46 | Juventino | i'm so happy |
| 02:30.47 | Juventino | lol |
| 02:30.58 | stew | Juventino: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 02:31.17 | snarkilator | Hmm |
| 02:31.21 | snarkilator | this doesn't look good |
| 02:31.28 | snarkilator | I installed gnome-core, and gdm |
| 02:31.30 | snarkilator | then rebooted |
| 02:31.35 | snarkilator | and its hanging on: |
| 02:31.54 | snarkilator | hdc: max request size:512KiB |
| 02:32.00 | snarkilator | hdc: lost interrupt |
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| 02:32.10 | snarkilator | and keys repeating the last one every few seconds or so |
| 02:32.27 | jdavis | my thinkpad R40 isn't suspending/hibernating properly. I went to the page it pointed me to, and it looked like the R40 is supposed to be supported without quirks, so I must be doing something wrong. It just says "failed to suspend" and sometimes locks up the entire computer. |
| 02:32.32 | snarkilator | I have a 160 Gig SATA Western Digital HD |
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| 02:33.44 | abrotman | thinkwiki? |
| 02:33.46 | snarkilator | Oh |
| 02:33.47 | snarkilator | nevermind |
| 02:33.53 | snarkilator | appears to be working fine now |
| 02:34.21 | jdavis | abrotman: I haven't seen that before, thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 02:35.51 | Juventino | phew |
| 02:35.56 | Juventino | sound working.. :D |
| 02:35.56 | Juventino | lol |
| 02:37.59 | snarkilator | wait, its messing up again |
| 02:38.11 | snarkilator | it keeps looping: |
| 02:38.18 | snarkilator | hdc: lost interrupt |
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| 02:38.55 | Juventino | well, |
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| 02:39.13 | Folk_Theor1 | hello I need help installing debian |
| 02:39.23 | Juventino | i have some modes in the xorg.conf file, but for some devilsh reason, they are not there in the KDE configuration.. |
| 02:39.23 | snarkilator | Go on... |
| 02:39.27 | Folk_Theor1 | so I just installed a kernel and Im trying to install grub |
| 02:39.34 | gbp | does anyone know if there is a package that installs man pages for math.h? |
| 02:39.39 | Folk_Theor1 | so I do grub-install /dev/had |
| 02:39.43 | Folk_Theor1 | *had |
| 02:39.50 | Juventino | hda* |
| 02:39.55 | snarkilator | lol |
| 02:39.58 | Folk_Theor1 | and it says: not found or not a block dedvice |
| 02:39.59 | gbp | haych dee aye |
| 02:40.04 | Folk_Theor1 | lol |
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| 02:40.44 | Folk_Theor1 | so what gives? why isn't grub installing? |
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| 02:41.33 | gbp | you might need to provide more information like show the line from your menu.lst file |
| 02:41.39 | Folk_Theor1 | ok |
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| 02:41.57 | ``y7 | "While drive letters split the file system into a series of different trees (one for each drive), Linux always has a single tree. Different storage devices may contain different branches of the tree, but there is always a single tree." <--- i haven't plugged in multiple hdd's yet, but if i did, how would it work? instead of c:\ d:\, etc..... i'd have /c and /d? |
| 02:42.01 | Folk_Theor1 | no such file or directory |
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| 02:42.34 | Folk_Theor1 | I get no such file or directory |
| 02:42.36 | synx | I'm having trouble getting gamin to work, and gam_server keeps locking up too. |
| 02:42.41 | Juventino | !install grub |
| 02:42.41 | dpkg | apt-get install grub; zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz; IGNORE everything in the man pages and the info pages for now. |
| 02:42.42 | nevyn | ``y7: well you could. |
| 02:42.55 | synx | Does anyone else use gamin, or fam or something? |
| 02:42.56 | Folk_Theor1 | aptitude install grub and yes already done thagt |
| 02:42.58 | ``y7 | nevyn, how does it typically work? |
| 02:43.04 | nevyn | ``y7: but you'd probably get /media/hdd4 or something |
| 02:43.14 | Juventino | Folk_Theor1, zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 02:44.37 | Folk_Theor1 | # grub-install "(hd0)" |
| 02:44.37 | Folk_Theor1 | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 02:44.55 | Folk_Theor1 | that's what it says to do on that file |
| 02:46.32 | Folk_Theor1 | ...what should I do? |
| 02:47.30 | DawnLight | hello. a laptop is going to be sitting at the entrance of a sustainability themed festival. it is for the guests to put their contact details and information in. i'm looking for a program that has a simple interface for this and stores it in vcf. ideas? |
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| 02:48.34 | Lagbolt | ``y7, depends . . . you can set them up to mount anywhere you like techinically |
| 02:49.24 | stew | Folk_Theor1: are you installing in a chroot? |
| 02:49.52 | Folk_Theor1 | yeah |
| 02:49.52 | ``y7 | Lagbolt, i went to http://linuxcommand.org and it is what i was looking for. something so stupidly simple it's telling me how to highlight with the mouse :) |
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| 02:50.09 | Folk_Theor1 | used debootstrap, trying to switch to debian from ubuntu |
| 02:50.13 | stew | Folk_Theor1: is /dev populated? |
| 02:50.24 | Juventino | ARGH! lol |
| 02:50.30 | Folk_Theor1 | yes |
| 02:50.34 | Folk_Theor1 | lots of stuff in there |
| 02:50.44 | stew | Folk_Theor1: are /sys and /proc mounted? |
| 02:50.49 | Juventino | the settings are there in the xorg.conf !!!! and i can't get the damn kde to set it to that resolution :s |
| 02:51.00 | Lagbolt | lol nice never seen that site |
| 02:51.09 | dFence | hey... got a little problem here installing several cpan-modules for apache. cpan keeps asking me for my apache-src dir but i installed apache2 via apt and i don't really wanna install the whole source-deb.. any ideas? |
| 02:51.10 | Folk_Theor1 | yes |
| 02:51.24 | Folk_Theor1 | I mounted proc manually |
| 02:51.27 | Lagbolt | Juventino, just cause they are in xorg doesnt mean they will work. check Xorg.0.log and see what validated modes you have |
| 02:51.36 | Folk_Theor1 | do I have to mount sys manually? there's a folder called sys... |
| 02:51.53 | Juventino | Lagbolt, i know they are valid, just dunno why xorg would only stick to 3 :s |
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| 02:52.38 | Lagbolt | Juventino, maybe kde is the trouble? :-p |
| 02:52.43 | synx | hm... it's working again. Just killing gam_server didn't help, but stopping all gamin using applications, then killing it did the trick. |
| 02:52.43 | Juventino | lol |
| 02:52.52 | Juventino | well i dunno, i'm sick of it for now.. lol |
| 02:52.59 | Juventino | i can live with 1024 X 768 |
| 02:53.00 | Juventino | lol |
| 02:53.06 | Folk_Theor1 | grub> |
| 02:53.06 | Folk_Theor1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.06 | Folk_Theor1 | Error 21: Selected disk does not exist |
| 02:53.13 | Juventino | it's a laptop after all |
| 02:53.13 | Folk_Theor1 | how can it not see the disk? |
| 02:53.50 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i tihnk your issue is most likely related to not having the intel vid driver installed |
| 02:54.12 | Juventino | Lagbolt yea i know, and i don't think that will be solved anytime soon |
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| 02:55.18 | Lagbolt | Juventino, you could do some apt pinning and then install the vid driver from testing leaving the rest of your system etch |
| 02:55.50 | Juventino | Lagbolt how can i do that? |
| 02:56.09 | DawnLight | hello. a laptop is going to be sitting at the entrance of a sustainability themed festival. it is for the guests to put their contact details and information in. i'm looking for a program that has a simple interface for this and stores it in vcf. ideas? |
| 02:56.21 | DawnLight | sorry |
| 02:56.23 | Folk_Theor1 | please help me with grub... |
| 02:56.58 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, hd0,5 . . . you are trying to use 5th partition? |
| 02:57.24 | Lagbolt | Juventino, there are diff schools of thought on that. i would suggest prefered distro. some would use pinning. there is a dpkg about it somewhere |
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| 02:57.32 | wols_ | Lagbolt: 4th, grub calculates from 0 |
| 02:57.38 | Lagbolt | wols_, oops yeah |
| 02:57.40 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 02:58.09 | wols_ | erm, 6th rather |
| 02:58.15 | wols_ | my bad, not really awake yet |
| 02:58.39 | wols_ | Folk_Theor1: what partition do you want to write to? where is your linux installed? first logical partion? (sda5)? |
| 02:58.41 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:59.04 | Folk_Theor1 | no sda6 |
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| 02:59.15 | Folk_Theor1 | but grub counts from 0 is what I got |
| 02:59.30 | Folk_Theor1 | and uses hd even for sd |
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| 03:00.16 | stew | Folk_Theor1: is /boot on a separate partition? |
| 03:00.26 | Folk_Theor1 | no |
| 03:00.40 | stew | Folk_Theor1: are you running it from inside or outside of the chroot? |
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| 03:00.52 | Lagbolt | Juventino, how do you feel bout giving it a shot. we can just set it up and see what packages it wants to upgrade. |
| 03:00.54 | Folk_Theor1 | inside |
| 03:01.05 | Lagbolt | it might want to upgrade a lot of xorg . . . |
| 03:01.20 | Juventino | Lagbolt sure.. |
| 03:01.21 | Juventino | why not.. |
| 03:01.29 | Juventino | if it all get messed up.. |
| 03:01.29 | stew | Juventino: no, don't do that |
| 03:01.40 | stew | Lagbolt: please don't recommend that people mix stable and testing |
| 03:01.41 | Juventino | i'll ask you to help me setting up debian all over again :p |
| 03:02.05 | stew | Folk_Theor1: you could try running it outside the chroot and passing it the --root-directory option |
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| 03:02.13 | Lagbolt | stew, is there a way to get intel video in stable? i looked around, it is not in backports |
| 03:02.18 | stiv2k | what direction do the niceness values go? |
| 03:02.22 | stew | Lagbolt: backporting xorg |
| 03:02.26 | stiv2k | i.e., which way means higher priority |
| 03:02.48 | Lagbolt | stew, debian backports? cause i searched their package list for the intel vid and wasnt there |
| 03:02.50 | stew | stiv2k: man nice |
| 03:03.02 | Folk_Theor1 | im afraid to screw up ubuntu that way... |
| 03:03.04 | stiv2k | stew: ... |
| 03:03.06 | Folk_Theor1 | but how would I do it? |
| 03:03.22 | stew | stiv2k: what? |
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| 03:03.53 | Folk_Theor1 | stiv2k: negatives are higher than positive |
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| 03:04.04 | stew | Lagbolt: no, there is no suck backport on backports.org if that is what you are asking |
| 03:04.26 | stew | ^suck^such |
| 03:04.26 | stiv2k | Folk_Theor1: thank you |
| 03:04.36 | Lagbolt | stew, right so how is he supposed to get intel video working in etch? without pulling in packages from lenny? i asked earlier and no one had any ideas |
| 03:05.07 | stew | Lagbolt: he'd have to backport it |
| 03:05.14 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 03:05.32 | Juventino | how can i backport it? |
| 03:06.20 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i believe that would involve you downloading the source and compiling it against libraries in etch. . . is that right stew? |
| 03:06.54 | Folk_Theor1 | guys please I wanna finish installing... |
| 03:07.14 | stew | Lagbolt: yes, that is right, he'd have to do this for a couple dozen packages |
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| 03:07.39 | stew | Folk_Theor1: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 03:07.45 | Juventino | ok, say i did that, will i mix stable with sid? |
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| 03:08.03 | Lagbolt | Juventino, no, you would be using newer packages compiled against stable |
| 03:08.06 | stew | Juventino: no, this is what you'd do to avoid mixing stable and testing or sid |
| 03:08.07 | Folk_Theor1 | wth? im installing debian |
| 03:08.15 | Folk_Theor1 | what are you talking about help with ubuntu? |
| 03:08.33 | Folk_Theor1 | at least im *trying* to install it |
| 03:08.42 | stew | Folk_Theor1: sorry, i thougth you were trying to install ubuntu |
| 03:08.49 | stew | Folk_Theor1: why don't you try running grub install from outside the chroot? |
| 03:08.50 | Folk_Theor1 | its ok |
| 03:08.59 | Folk_Theor1 | how do I go about doing that? |
| 03:09.06 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, let me ask this, you ahve a computer with at least ubuntu installed and trying to install debian as well to another partition using debootstrap and chroot? |
| 03:09.14 | Folk_Theor1 | yes |
| 03:09.21 | Lagbolt | then yeah run it outside the chroot |
| 03:09.21 | Folk_Theor1 | im done with the debootstrap part though |
| 03:09.27 | Folk_Theor1 | ok how |
| 03:09.40 | stew | Folk_Theor1: grub-install --root-directory=foo /dev/whatever where foo is the path to the debian root directory and /dev/whatever is the drive you are trying to put a bootloader on |
| 03:09.45 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, like this grub-install --recheck --root-directory=/mnt/chroot /dev/sda for example |
| 03:10.11 | Folk_Theor1 | do I need recheck? |
| 03:10.11 | Lagbolt | yeah like stew said |
| 03:10.19 | Lagbolt | um dont need it but dont think it hurts |
| 03:10.24 | Folk_Theor1 | ok |
| 03:10.27 | Juventino | ok, so can anyone of you guys tell me the steps to do it? files? or give me a tutorial for it? |
| 03:10.34 | Lagbolt | Juventino, for backporting? |
| 03:11.13 | Juventino | Lagbolt yea |
| 03:11.24 | Lagbolt | hmm there is a really old backporting howto lol looks like from the days of woody. |
| 03:11.34 | Lagbolt | anyone know of a newer wiki or something for Juventino |
| 03:11.45 | Folk_Theor1 | yay!! worked! |
| 03:11.48 | Folk_Theor1 | I can has grub! |
| 03:12.13 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, question, why didnt you just use the grub from ubuntu install to point to debian? |
| 03:12.53 | Folk_Theor1 | but I still need a grub in that partition don't I? |
| 03:12.56 | Lagbolt | no |
| 03:13.03 | Folk_Theor1 | the ubuntu grub simply points to it..? |
| 03:13.06 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, you can add an entry for debian partition |
| 03:13.18 | Folk_Theor1 | yes but it will then call debians own grub |
| 03:13.40 | Lagbolt | nope, you can just boot it, that is all grub is doing anyhow. sounds like you are being redundany |
| 03:13.41 | Folk_Theor1 | you always install either to MBR or partition. you must install to one of the two though |
| 03:13.43 | Lagbolt | redundant |
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| 03:13.50 | Folk_Theor1 | interesting |
| 03:13.56 | Folk_Theor1 | I could have spared all this trouble |
| 03:14.04 | Folk_Theor1 | well too late now =) |
| 03:14.05 | Lagbolt | i can load a grub CD and boot any of my hard drives, windows, debian, ubuntu what ever |
| 03:14.13 | Lagbolt | each does not need grub |
| 03:14.27 | stew | Folk_Theor1: grub-install installed grub onto the mbr of the drive, and becuase of --root-directory=whatever, the files that grub reads at boot (like menu.lst and stage1 etc) should be found in /boot in the chroot, the last thing to do is to chroot back in and run 'update-grub' |
| 03:15.04 | Folk_Theor1 | so now I need to edit the menu.lst of the chroot to contain buntu? |
| 03:15.10 | Lagbolt | yes |
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| 03:15.16 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, all you did was switch control to debian |
| 03:15.24 | Lagbolt | now you have to add ubuntu to that grub menu |
| 03:15.39 | Lagbolt | where as before all you had to do was add debian to your ubuntu menu.lst and call it a day |
| 03:15.49 | Folk_Theor1 | but I put /dev/sda6 on grub-install so it shouldn't have installed to the MBR!! |
| 03:16.06 | pobega | I just reinstalled Debian and I'm having trouble setting up my synaptics touchpad, I can't seem to `modprobe synaptics`. |
| 03:16.08 | stew | Folk_Theor1: what is on the mbr for /dev/sda ? |
| 03:16.13 | Juventino | something weird happend with me and grub today, |
| 03:16.26 | Folk_Theor1 | well I suppose ubuntu's grub... |
| 03:16.28 | Juventino | apparently XP's SP3 is using vista's bootloader.. |
| 03:16.28 | pobega | Any ideas why the synaptics modules would be missing? Or am I just missing something? (It's been a long time since I've been on a fresh Debian install) |
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| 03:16.29 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, yeah i guess if you install to a partition then you can use debian to update its grub when you update kernels. personally i would just leave it in one place and edit it by hand |
| 03:16.33 | Folk_Theor1 | unless it was just overwritten |
| 03:17.02 | stew | Folk_Theor1: then you could have just configued ubuntu's grub to boot debian, or you can now configure ubuntu's grub to chainload /dev/sda6 |
| 03:17.06 | Juventino | cause usualy's Debian's grub is accurate, it always detected XP as XP, but today, it detected it as Win Vista/Longhorn loader |
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| 03:18.44 | Folk_Theor1 | yeah debian's menu.lst didn't detect ubuntu |
| 03:19.17 | Folk_Theor1 | I got a better idea ill fix ubuntu's grub and add debian to it |
| 03:19.46 | Lagbolt | Folk_Theor1, well as long as you didnt overwrite the mbr . . . |
| 03:19.55 | Folk_Theor1 | ah |
| 03:19.56 | Folk_Theor1 | ok |
| 03:19.58 | Lagbolt | otherwise i hope you have a live cd or grub cd |
| 03:20.03 | Folk_Theor1 | then no problem |
| 03:20.12 | Folk_Theor1 | yeah I got systemrescuecd |
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| 03:23.23 | Juventino | Lagbolt can u give me the old wiki? |
| 03:23.26 | Juventino | and i'll try to follow it |
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| 03:25.34 | Lagbolt | Juventino, well not sure it is great but try this for starters? http://selinux.alioth.debian.org/sesarge/HOWTO-Backport.txt |
| 03:25.40 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i would google around for a while before starting |
| 03:25.42 | Lagbolt | read up |
| 03:26.10 | Juventino | well trust me i've been messing with this laptop for a few days lol.. i finally got it up and running with a couple of OS |
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| 03:26.17 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i would think backporting xorg would be arduous otherwise it would have been done |
| 03:26.26 | Juventino | and i won't ruin it.. so i'll try to make sure it's fine before doing that.. |
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| 03:27.30 | Juventino | hmm from the looks of it.. it's too hard for my humble skills.. lol |
| 03:27.47 | Lagbolt | lol yeah it isnt going to be easy for sure |
| 03:29.03 | stew | i wouldn't expect it to be hard. i'd expect it to be arduous |
| 03:29.25 | stew | just becuase of the shear number of packages involved |
| 03:30.07 | assem | is there a way to determine whether a program (running) using libpcap has opened eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 03:30.17 | BubbaT | How can i find which package a file is in? |
| 03:30.17 | assem | lsof | grep progname doesn't report this |
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| 03:30.52 | Folk_Theor1 | is this good to boot debian from ubuntu's grub? |
| 03:30.54 | Juventino | so mainly you guys suggest that i do it or not? |
| 03:30.54 | Folk_Theor1 | title debian |
| 03:30.54 | Folk_Theor1 | root (hd0,5) |
| 03:30.54 | Folk_Theor1 | kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486 root=UUID=UUID=dda4f136-5ccc-4c69-9035-ae5560932088 ro quiet splash |
| 03:30.54 | Folk_Theor1 | initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-486 |
| 03:30.54 | Folk_Theor1 | quiet |
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| 03:31.09 | stew | BubbaT: if it is not yet installed: /msg dpkg apt-file ; if it is already installed, use dpkg -S or dlocate |
| 03:31.09 | Lagbolt | BubbaT, apt-file or dpkg -L if the package is installed i think would work |
| 03:31.11 | Folk_Theor1 | hhsorry |
| 03:31.22 | Folk_Theor1 | but is that good? |
| 03:31.27 | stew | !tell Folk_Theor1 about paste |
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| 03:31.30 | Lagbolt | looks ok to me Folk_Theor1 |
| 03:32.04 | Folk_Theor1 | kk thanks |
| 03:32.12 | snarkilator | Is #flood #debian specific, or can anyone use it? |
| 03:32.15 | stew | assem: perhaps you can figure out what you need to figure out by seeing which of the two interfaces is currently set promisc? |
| 03:32.31 | stew | snarkilator: anyone can use it. it is rarely used by #debian in the last few years |
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| 03:32.46 | stew | snarkilator: in general its much easier to use a pastebin |
| 03:32.52 | snarkilator | Hmm, it must get crouded : ;) |
| 03:32.53 | Folk_Theor1 | but there's http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 03:33.05 | assem | stew, hm... thanks that's a very interesting idea |
| 03:33.08 | BubbaT | Ok thanks |
| 03:33.14 | snarkilator | I like dpaste personally |
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| 03:34.29 | pobega | I can't get Synaptics to work...No matter what I try I can't get the module for Synaptics. Can someone help? I'm probably missing something obvious. |
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| 03:35.29 | kryptoz | pobega: what all you tried ? |
| 03:36.20 | stew | pobega: aptitude install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
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| 03:36.50 | vinc456 | i would like to transfer all the packages and files from my home server to a new system. What packages might help? |
| 03:36.53 | Juventino | well guys, am off for today |
| 03:37.10 | Juventino | talk to you later (may come back if it urges me again though lol) |
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| 03:37.23 | pobega | stew: That package is already installed, and I also reinstalled it but to no avail. |
| 03:37.37 | stew | pobega: show us your xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:37.59 | pobega | kryptoz: I've tried modprobing the driver, and with that failing I reinstalled the Debian package it's in. When that failed I tried compiling from source, which led to a world of trouble. |
| 03:38.13 | pobega | stew: I don't think it has to do with my Xorg, I can't even modprobe it. |
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| 03:38.48 | stew | pobega: modprobe is for kernel modules and there is no synaptics kernel module |
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| 03:39.49 | stew | pobega: 'man synaptics' for information on configuring your xorg.conf to use this device |
| 03:40.14 | snarkilator | Does someone know of a tutorial for installing Compiz Fusion that works? |
| 03:40.17 | pobega | Thanks stew |
| 03:40.17 | apt | pobega: de rien |
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| 03:40.30 | snarkilator | I really need the Expo and View all Windows back :D |
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| 03:40.36 | pobega | I guess I must have misunderstood what I was reading, since it said to modprobe synaptics (And I'm having a lot of trouble with it otherwise) |
| 03:41.21 | kryptoz | there is no module for synaptic to load, the configuration should be present in the xorg.conf |
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| 03:44.28 | anomic | where can i find a list of the packages in each of those preconfigured setups you can choose during installation |
| 03:44.40 | anomic | like, dns server, mail server, laptop, desktop etc |
| 03:45.15 | hark | use tasksel --task-packages task |
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| 03:45.57 | pobega | stew: It doesn't seem to work still...http://pastebin.com/m28daa059 |
| 03:46.26 | anomic | thanks, hark |
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| 03:47.39 | wer0 | any repo to install mono framework |
| 03:48.05 | wer0 | i always get broken deps, mono-common and mono-jit |
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| 03:48.20 | chirpsalot | have you guys heard? |
| 03:48.27 | chirpsalot | http://www.metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ |
| 03:48.37 | chirpsalot | thought you should see that |
| 03:48.45 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 03:48.49 | cherwin | Old news. |
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| 03:49.01 | cherwin | You already should have updated by now. |
| 03:49.57 | chirpsalot | cherwin how is it old news if it happend 5 days ago? |
| 03:50.06 | PhrkOnLsh | chirpsalot: Thank you, captain obvious :) |
| 03:50.15 | chirpsalot | lol k |
| 03:50.20 | chirpsalot | sorry for the spam then :D |
| 03:50.21 | PhrkOnLsh | chirpsalot: it was on slashdot, cnet, damn near everywhere lol |
| 03:50.28 | stew | pobega: where did you read that you should modprobe something? |
| 03:50.29 | chirpsalot | lol sorry |
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| 03:50.54 | pobega | http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/18/67-how-to-setting-up-touchpad-on-a-laptop-a-complete-guide/3/ |
| 03:51.05 | Folk_Theor1 | ahh tasksel going allrgiht |
| 03:51.13 | stew | pobega: does /dev/psmouse exist? |
| 03:51.32 | stew | pobega: that guide doesn't say to modprobe anything |
| 03:51.42 | pobega | stew: I actually forgot to put the synaptics in the module section of xorg.conf...I feel silly now. |
| 03:52.29 | wer0 | no one ? |
| 03:52.41 | Folk_Theor1 | what's the matter wer0? |
| 03:52.52 | wer0 | trying to install mono |
| 03:52.57 | wer0 | what i always get |
| 03:52.59 | wer0 | broken deps |
| 03:53.00 | PhrkOnLsh | I am having an issue with my networking: when I boot it seemingly dhclients, etc successfully but no connectin is made to my router (ndiswrapper is powering the card). I have to /etc/init.d/networking restart before I can do anything. Is there any way to either eliminate this issue, or get it to do the restart automatically? |
| 03:53.08 | wer0 | i wuz asking for an alternativo reppo |
| 03:53.21 | wer0 | broken deps mono-jit and mono-common |
| 03:53.26 | wer0 | :( |
| 03:53.35 | Folk_Theor1 | ah I laways make sure to steer clear of mono |
| 03:53.38 | Folk_Theor1 | sorry |
| 03:53.46 | wer0 | hehehe |
| 03:53.55 | wer0 | knew i was getting that answer |
| 03:53.56 | wer0 | ajajaja |
| 03:53.59 | wer0 | no problem |
| 03:54.01 | wer0 | thans |
| 03:54.03 | wer0 | thanks |
| 03:54.03 | apt | sure thing, wer0 |
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| 03:55.01 | stew | wer0: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 03:56.08 | wer0 | never done that before.... but lets try |
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| 03:59.09 | stew | dpkg: tell wer0 about pastebin |
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| 04:00.49 | Jedi_Tux | hello tere |
| 04:00.59 | Jedi_Tux | i need an opinion |
| 04:01.12 | wer0 | stew: well the only problem is that i'm mexican... the output is in spanish... think would be better if i paste something here |
| 04:01.24 | wer0 | or i try to explain |
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| 04:01.31 | wer0 | xD |
| 04:01.39 | Jedi_Tux | 64-bits linux are easier to give problems? |
| 04:02.09 | stew | wer0: you can either put it on a pastebin in spanish, or prefix your command with "LANG=c " to get the output in english |
| 04:02.25 | stew | Jedi_Tux: for what application? |
| 04:02.36 | Jedi_Tux | stew: generally |
| 04:03.01 | stew | Jedi_Tux: generally there is no difference. there are some specific areas where 64 bit is better and other areas where it is worse |
| 04:03.34 | Jedi_Tux | stew: ok, thanks :) |
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| 04:04.12 | wer0 | stew ready... http://paste.lisp.org/display/60947 |
| 04:04.27 | stew | Jedi_Tux: for handling large amounts of memory 64 bits is better. for running 3rd party browser plugins like flash and java, 64 bits is worse |
| 04:04.30 | wer0 | i think debian refuses ... hahaha |
| 04:04.47 | Jedi_Tux | i ask beacuse i want to know debian and i don't know it is worth or not to get the amd64 iso |
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| 04:04.59 | wer0 | there's a version available... but not the one which is needed |
| 04:05.22 | Jedi_Tux | stew: so for desktop, 32 would still fit better ? |
| 04:05.43 | stew | wer0: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 mono mono-common" |
| 04:05.59 | wer0 | ok wait... |
| 04:06.30 | Jedi_Tux | stew: i've been using gentoo and archlinux for a year now, but always 32 bits, so i get a litle confused :D |
| 04:07.19 | stew | Jedi_Tux: adobe and sun don't make browser plugins for 64 bit linux. |
| 04:07.47 | wer0 | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/60948 |
| 04:09.03 | Jedi_Tux | stew: archlinux and gentoo are great distros but i am a litle tired of compiling things on gentoo, and updating the system 3 times a week on archlinux |
| 04:09.31 | Jedi_Tux | how is it on debian, i mean the updates ? |
| 04:10.27 | streuner | boring |
| 04:10.41 | bitweiler | XD |
| 04:10.45 | stew | wer0: oh it looks like the mono metapackage is being dropped perhaps |
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| 04:11.53 | Jedi_Tux | stew: sorry |
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| 04:12.28 | stew | wer0: note that http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mono/news/20071112T052419Z.html includes a mono binary but the next upload http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mono/news/20071221T233804Z.html (and all subsequent uploads) no longer provide a binary named 'mono' |
| 04:12.37 | hwdyki | how do i retrieve the list of installed packages which have no other packages depend on? |
| 04:12.45 | wer0 | stew: why i see some pkgs with version 1.9.x and some other with 1.2 |
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| 04:13.22 | wer0 | stew: i must refere to it by another name |
| 04:13.25 | streuner | hwdyki: why? |
| 04:13.30 | wer0 | stew: not ny 'mono' |
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| 04:13.35 | wer0 | by mono |
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| 04:14.04 | streuner | Debian doesn't need much space, so why do you think you need to remove packages? |
| 04:14.16 | stew | hwdyki: have a look at deborphan or debfoster |
| 04:14.44 | stew | wer0: i'm not sure why britney hasn't gotten rid of the mono package in lenny. just ignore it |
| 04:15.09 | streuner | !deborphan |
| 04:15.09 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 04:15.10 | stew | wer0: it should have been removed when the first source package that didn't bulid it moved to testing |
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| 04:15.25 | hwdyki_ | for housekeeping |
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| 04:15.44 | ktne | hello |
| 04:15.50 | ktne | i try to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:16.02 | ktne | but no dpkg-reconfigure on my system, it's a fresh stable reinstall |
| 04:16.09 | ktne | any idea? |
| 04:16.13 | stew | ktne: are you running it as root? |
| 04:16.18 | ktne | stew: yes |
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| 04:16.30 | stew | ktne: is /usr/sbin in root's $PATH ? |
| 04:16.35 | Folk_Theor1 | ok so debian didn't boot |
| 04:16.42 | Folk_Theor1 | grub said wrong file or something |
| 04:16.49 | Folk_Theor1 | and now I can't chroot into it! |
| 04:16.55 | wer0 | stew: so theres no way to install it on lenny |
| 04:16.59 | Folk_Theor1 | n# chroot /mnt/debinst |
| 04:16.59 | Folk_Theor1 | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 04:17.05 | Folk_Theor1 | *# |
| 04:17.17 | ktne | stew: wow, it works in another term :) |
| 04:17.22 | ktne | stew: yes it's in the path |
| 04:17.43 | stew | wer0: you don't want to install the binary package named 'mono' that is an old package you should ignore. you want to install some other binary package(s) from the mono source package (apt-cache showsrc mono) |
| 04:17.44 | simonrvn | try chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/sh |
| 04:17.46 | ktne | stew: it might be possible that i was not root afterall |
| 04:17.51 | ktne | stew: thanks :) |
| 04:17.54 | simonrvn | safer to use /bin/sh |
| 04:18.11 | wer0 | stew: ok! i get it thanks |
| 04:18.14 | simonrvn | ...esp. when you don't know the environment in the chroot |
| 04:18.16 | Folk_Theor1 | still no such file or direcotry |
| 04:18.34 | wer0 | stew: one last question.... one good reason why i should avoid mono |
| 04:18.38 | Folk_Theor1 | for both /bin/bash and /bin/sh |
| 04:18.54 | Folk_Theor1 | I was chrooting with no problem until now that I tried to boot into the new system... |
| 04:19.10 | simonrvn | wrong partition? /usr mounted as / for instance |
| 04:19.25 | Folk_Theor1 | what do you mean? |
| 04:19.28 | simonrvn | or incomplete installation, ... number of things |
| 04:19.41 | Folk_Theor1 | it was working fine before though |
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| 04:19.44 | stew | wer0: i don't know |
| 04:19.44 | Folk_Theor1 | till I rebooted |
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| 04:20.05 | tomfmason | after running alsaconf I see amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device. lspci nn shows http://paste.debian.net/3508/ and alsaconf detects my sound card but I have no sound. |
| 04:20.08 | wer0 | stew: ok... cuz some here said to steer out .. hehehe |
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| 04:20.35 | bitweiler | why is sh symlink to bash |
| 04:20.37 | Hedos | Hello. Since I'm on Debian, whenever I connect to that computer by SSH, there's a 2 seconds delay before I can input my password, after typing my username. Is that a feature? |
| 04:20.42 | bitweiler | whereis the real sh |
| 04:20.43 | PhrkOnLsh | how can I get a listing of my system specs, i like ram proc speed, etc |
| 04:20.57 | simonrvn | bitweiler: bash is playing sh in that instance |
| 04:21.14 | Folk_Theor1 | so how do I chroot now? |
| 04:21.30 | Folk_Theor1 | or rather how come it can't find the /bin/bash all of a sudden? |
| 04:21.31 | bitweiler | simonrvn: so there is now real sh then |
| 04:21.32 | streuner | tomfmason: hm, what kind of kernel is that, still 2.6.18? |
| 04:21.39 | simonrvn | Folk_Theor1: figure wtf happened there, make sure it's mounted, and take a look |
| 04:21.52 | tomfmason | streuner: yeah |
| 04:21.54 | Folk_Theor1 | I have no clue how to figure what happened |
| 04:21.59 | Folk_Theor1 | ts why im asking |
| 04:22.07 | streuner | tomfmason: you need newer ALSA, i think |
| 04:22.22 | streuner | tomfmason: just get a newer kernel |
| 04:22.35 | Folk_Theor1 | aight fixed it |
| 04:22.42 | streuner | tomfmason: backports.org has a 2.6.22, just try that one |
| 04:22.42 | Folk_Theor1 | thanks simonrvn! |
| 04:22.42 | apt | sure thing, Folk_Theor1 |
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| 04:22.56 | streuner | tomfmason: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 04:23.08 | simonrvn | (lemme guess, not mounted..) |
| 04:23.19 | Folk_Theor1 | yup |
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| 04:23.23 | Folk_Theor1 | lulz |
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| 04:24.25 | tomfmason | streuner: thanks again |
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| 04:24.36 | Folk_Theor1 | how can I see the kernel installed in the system I chrooted to? uname gives me the actual one im running |
| 04:25.28 | streuner | tomfmason: i saw yesterday some dude with the same laptop, using ubuntu and a 2.6.24 without problems..., maybe a 2.6.24 kernel is at backports.org |
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| 04:28.34 | streuner | tomfmason: before, just read /msg dpkg sid faq (upgrade to testing/lenny) |
| 04:28.58 | streuner | tomfmason: but 2.6.22 should work too |
| 04:29.46 | tomfmason | streuner: I will try 2.6.22 first and if that doesn't work I will try lenny |
| 04:29.59 | streuner | good luck |
| 04:30.09 | tomfmason | thanks |
| 04:30.22 | Folk_Theor1 | how do I know the kernel that an install I chroot to has? |
| 04:30.33 | Folk_Theor1 | I need to know so I can boot it |
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| 04:31.57 | stew | Folk_Theor1: aptitude search '~i linux-image' |
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| 04:32.07 | hwdyki | how do i get rid of packages marked as 'rc' in dpkg -l |
| 04:32.23 | shital_ | dpkg -l |
| 04:32.23 | dpkg | shital_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 04:32.38 | shital_ | ls |
| 04:32.50 | Folk_Theor1 | thanks |
| 04:32.59 | stew | hwdyki: the 'c' means they were removed but not purged, so configuration files still remain |
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| 04:34.29 | emocvn | i've a problem restarting apache.. when i run the restart command, i got this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1022477 |
| 04:34.33 | hwdyki | i tried apt-get purge but it still shows. |
| 04:36.34 | emocvn | gotta go for lunch, bbl |
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| 04:37.21 | Juventino | stew, can you please check: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.hetml |
| 04:37.36 | stew | hwdyki: 'apt-get purge' isn't a valid command. it would be 'apt-get remove --purge packagename' or 'aptitude purge packagename' which would change it from rc to pn (by removing the configuration files) |
| 04:38.56 | stew | Juventino: yeah? |
| 04:39.28 | Juventino | http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html |
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| 04:39.34 | Juventino | can that work on etch? |
| 04:39.34 | hwdyki | same thing. |
| 04:39.52 | stew | Juventino: i don't know |
| 04:39.58 | stew | hwdyki: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 04:40.04 | Juventino | hmm |
| 04:40.07 | Juventino | i'll give it a try |
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| 04:40.53 | stew | Juventino: can you not use the vesa or vga drivers? |
| 04:41.17 | Juventino | stew i am using the vesa |
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| 04:41.44 | hwdyki | http://pastebin.com/m1cb4b7a7 |
| 04:42.12 | stew | hwdyki: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 04:42.23 | ktne | hello, i'm trying to install some package but aptitude says that another one is hold back and it exits with 0 installed, what that means? |
| 04:42.44 | stew | ktne: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 04:42.46 | PhrkOnLsh | I am having an issue with my networking: when I boot it seemingly dhclients, etc successfully but no connectin is made to my router (ndiswrapper is powering the card). I have to /etc/init.d/networking restart before I can do anything. Is there any way to either eliminate this issue, or get it to do the restart automatically? |
| 04:42.46 | hwdyki | it's not exactly ubuntu specific. it's an apt problem i'm having. |
| 04:43.01 | stew | hwdyki: its definately not debian specific. please go to #ubuntu |
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| 04:43.38 | streuner | ndiswrapper is crap |
| 04:44.05 | PhrkOnLsh | nothing else works streuner :) |
| 04:44.15 | PhrkOnLsh | none of the modules, official or not, build in .24-1 |
| 04:44.17 | streuner | laptop? |
| 04:44.25 | PhrkOnLsh | yeup, rtl8185 chip |
| 04:44.28 | ktne | one more question, i don't get font antialiasing anymore |
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| 04:45.10 | ktne | i've read somewhere that xdpyinfo must present RENDER extension enabled, which it does |
| 04:45.15 | ktne | what else can it be? |
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| 04:46.19 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: doesn't rtl make linux stuff as well? |
| 04:46.34 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, butas said, drivers odn't build in .24 |
| 04:46.37 | PhrkOnLsh | only in .22 |
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| 04:48.17 | streuner | just write them and tell about |
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| 04:48.53 | kgod | Sid/lenny: f-spot crashes with an NDesk-DBus mono error: http://paste.debian.net/3509/ |
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| 04:59.05 | debian2_6_24_1am | do nvidia drivers work well with 2.6.24-1-amd64 im kind of wanting 3d |
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| 05:02.35 | streuner | k-god: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 05:03.33 | tr01 | debian2_6_24_1am, I'm running it with no issues... so far |
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| 05:04.01 | emocvn | back |
| 05:04.34 | beardy | gone |
| 05:04.34 | emocvn | i've encountered a problem when restarting my apache. the error is: http://www.pastebin.ca/1022477 | how can i solve this error? |
| 05:05.05 | streuner | beardy: hehe |
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| 05:05.35 | beardy | emocvn: 'pidof apache2' results? |
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| 05:05.53 | debian2_6_24_1am | nice |
| 05:05.59 | cvn | ah weak connection ;\ |
| 05:06.03 | YeTr2 | emocvn: shut down what ever service is already running on port 80 ? |
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| 05:06.20 | debian2_6_24_1am | did you use the nvidia installer i heard you shouldnt |
| 05:06.25 | cvn | ok YeTr2 |
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| 05:06.47 | tr01 | yup I used the nvidia installer |
| 05:07.46 | cvn | YeTr2 how do i check what is running on 80? |
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| 05:08.00 | cvn | from what i know only apache is, but still having that error |
| 05:08.02 | wols_ | cvn: as root netstat -anp |grep LISTEN |grep 80 |
| 05:08.04 | beardy | Come on then, I'm supposed to be busy. |
| 05:08.26 | cvn | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21807/mysqld |
| 05:08.26 | cvn | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1719/apache |
| 05:08.34 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.42 | beardy | !wiui |
| 05:08.47 | beardy | !wiui cvn |
| 05:08.47 | dpkg | cvn: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 05:08.49 | streuner | hm |
| 05:09.01 | beardy | That'd do it. |
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| 05:09.16 | beardy | emocvn: 'pidof apache2' results? |
| 05:09.22 | beardy | cvn: ^^^ |
| 05:09.30 | cvn | no result |
| 05:09.46 | wols_ | beardy: apache2 != apache |
| 05:09.54 | cvn | ah |
| 05:09.54 | cvn | 30121 26032 15441 8044 5542 3739 1719 |
| 05:09.59 | beardy | There you have it anyway, no. You're running apache. How come you are running apache but have apache2 installed too? |
| 05:10.04 | beardy | wols_: I am aware, very. |
| 05:10.17 | lgc | my slocate command isn't working. It says that the database is older than 8 days or so, and returns no hits, even after 'updatedb'. What could be wrong? |
| 05:10.19 | cvn | actually i was confused too :( |
| 05:10.27 | wols_ | cvn: stop your running apache, possibly uninstall your apache1 |
| 05:10.38 | cvn | how can i uninstall apache? |
| 05:10.44 | buydumps | pliz |
| 05:10.46 | wols_ | like you uninstall everything else |
| 05:10.53 | streuner | lgc: sounds for me your cron-job is fucked |
| 05:10.56 | beardy | lgc: The thing you are looking for are not for you to see? |
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| 05:10.58 | buydumps | have canal fo vendor dumps? |
| 05:11.10 | wols_ | buydumps: english please? |
| 05:11.23 | wols_ | lgc: ran updatedb as root? |
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| 05:11.48 | streuner | if the db is older than 8 days? |
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| 05:12.01 | buydumps | window of vendor dumps |
| 05:12.06 | wols_ | if his PC wasn't on at 6am it might |
| 05:12.09 | ktne | hello, anyone knows how to enable antialiasing? for some reason it's disabled, i'm on a fresh install |
| 05:12.11 | buydumps | understend? |
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| 05:12.15 | streuner | locate usually updated the db at 6:35 GMT :-) |
| 05:12.18 | beardy | ..he should install anacron |
| 05:12.20 | wols_ | !pt | |
| 05:12.23 | wols_ | !pt |
| 05:12.23 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 05:12.36 | buydumps | ok |
| 05:12.38 | webPragmatist | hey what exchange-like applications do you guys suggest? |
| 05:12.39 | buydumps | tnkz |
| 05:12.41 | webPragmatist | that is open source |
| 05:12.44 | webPragmatist | I am looking at Zimbra |
| 05:12.54 | lgc | beardy, if I do 'slocate filename' it returns nothing, even though I'm sure filename exists, as in 'slocate bin'. |
| 05:13.00 | lgc | wols_, yep. |
| 05:13.18 | lgc | streuner, even by updating it manually I get the same response. |
| 05:13.33 | beardy | lgc: Who owns it and what permission does it, and the directory where it's in have? |
| 05:13.33 | Ryan52 | I am not a GUI person. Dumb question about openoffice: I typed a URL and it made it a link. How do I make it not a link? cause I need it to look like normal text. |
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| 05:14.14 | beardy | Ryan52: Right click and see if there's a Format.. thingy. |
| 05:14.18 | beardy | ? |
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| 05:14.40 | cvn | i tried to stop apache1, but i got this: http://pastebin.com/d354e9b0f |
| 05:14.43 | Ryan52 | Ah...smart! Thanks! |
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| 05:15.12 | lgc | beardy, you mean permissions and ownership of the the 'updatedb' command? |
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| 05:15.25 | astro76 | Ryan52: Tools > Autocorrect.. turn off url recognition |
| 05:15.43 | beardy | cvn: I wonder why your apache(1) was not uninstalled when you installed apache2. Anyway, kill it by PID, then uninstall apache(1). |
| 05:15.57 | beardy | lgc: No, of the thign you are trying to locate. |
| 05:16.00 | Ryan52 | even better. Thanks. |
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| 05:16.43 | elite | how do i enable 3d acceleration? |
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| 05:17.01 | fungo | anyone here using schroot? i'm making a 32 bit chroot, but schroot keep a lot of mounts per session, couldn't i have only one mount? |
| 05:17.04 | beardy | Use the, for your grapics card, correct X driver. |
| 05:18.01 | lgc | beardy, hmm... it's working now... I must've been doing something pretty stupid before. But I still get "slocate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old |
| 05:18.01 | lgc | " |
| 05:18.45 | beardy | lgc: If your machine isn't on at all times, or when cronjobs want to run, install anacron to have them run when your machine is started, if they should have been. |
| 05:19.11 | beardy | lgc: Though yes.. weird, sicne you ran it manually, yes. |
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| 05:19.33 | beardy | lgc: Check how old it really is? |
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| 05:20.12 | lgc | beardy, my machine is up all the time, except for an ocassional cleanup when my keyboard is full of goo... |
| 05:20.32 | beardy | lgc: You have to halt it to unplug a keyboard? |
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| 05:20.38 | lgc | beardy, you mean the database file? |
| 05:20.43 | beardy | lgc: Yes. |
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| 05:21.09 | lgc | beardy, let me check. As for the kbd, it's a laptop. |
| 05:21.23 | beardy | Ah. |
| 05:23.26 | ktne | how do i enable antialiasing? |
| 05:23.49 | beardy | In X, in general? |
| 05:23.52 | lgc | beardy, the file stats seem to be right, with today's dates and '(0640/-rw-r-----) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 132/ mlocate)' permissions. |
| 05:24.14 | ktne | beardy: i've just installed stable and there is no font antialiasing for some reason |
| 05:24.47 | beardy | ktne: Using which window manager if any, or desktop environment? |
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| 05:25.02 | ktne | beardy: dwm, but it worked yesterday before reinstall |
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| 05:25.15 | ktne | beardy: the application is opera (qt3 i think) |
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| 05:25.21 | beardy | ktne: Why did you reinstall then? |
| 05:25.38 | ktne | beardy: i wanted to try fedora but didn't liked it so i installed debian back :) |
| 05:25.42 | beardy | ktne: Ok, hmm. Well, if qt, maybe this can be something. Just referenceing. |
| 05:25.45 | beardy | !kde antialias |
| 05:25.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde antialias is at http://dot.kde.org/989808269/ |
| 05:25.49 | cvn | i've removed apache1 and started apache2. i tried to upload a index.html on my public_html but it doesnt show up |
| 05:25.51 | ktne | i don't use kde |
| 05:25.57 | beardy | ktne: Good for you. |
| 05:26.07 | beardy | ktne: No, but qt is kde and so on, have a look. |
| 05:26.09 | autojack | I just installed Lenny on a system that previously ran FC2 (ugh). my Via onboard sound card worked natively under FC. Debian appears to have detected it and loaded the relevant modules, but I have no /dev/dsp or /dev/audio. help? |
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| 05:26.18 | ktne | beardy: ok |
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| 05:27.07 | stew | autojack: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 05:27.15 | beardy | cvn: Try /var/www/ instead, as user..homes might not be on by default, don't recall. |
| 05:27.47 | bitweiler | whoa, debian plays nicely with pkgsrc =) |
| 05:27.55 | autojack | stew: ...wow, that was easy :) thanks. |
| 05:28.03 | autojack | how do I make sure that module always loads at boot? |
| 05:28.14 | bitweiler | great work debian developers |
| 05:28.20 | streuner | /etc/modules |
| 05:28.27 | beardy | It will now, if you modprobed it.(?) |
| 05:28.42 | stew | autojack: man modules |
| 05:28.50 | stew | i dunno if i want to know what pkgsrc is |
| 05:29.01 | lgc | beardy, any ideas? |
| 05:29.20 | bitweiler | it nice debian has a semi-base to install unlike many other linux distros |
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| 05:29.33 | beardy | lgc: What did you use to list the file? |
| 05:29.59 | lgc | beardy 'stat /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'. |
| 05:30.08 | bitweiler | stew: it's the most portable package management system on the planet |
| 05:30.08 | beardy | lgc: Whatever it was, it didn't say the date, just use ls? |
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| 05:30.39 | lgc | beardy, it did. Only I didn't paste it. |
| 05:30.57 | beardy | lgc: I asked for it, why did you paste that then? |
| 05:31.53 | ranit | I have done everything possible to get the restrictive driver up fot my wifi Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) but couldn,t please ref http://pastebin.com/m71f1b62a |
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| 05:32.09 | lgc | beardy, I told you ALL dates were today's, as per the output of 'stat'. |
| 05:32.59 | beardy | lgc: Then it's strange. Which version of Debian? |
| 05:33.01 | fungo | 7/quit |
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| 05:33.31 | autojack | ok, something is still up. now I have /dev/dsp and /dev/audio, and my user is a member of the audio group, but when I try to play an mp3 with mpg123, I get: |
| 05:33.48 | autojack | [../../../src/audio_oss.c:182] error: Can't open default sound device! |
| 05:33.49 | autojack | audio: No such file or directory |
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| 05:34.05 | lgc | beardy, don't curse at me please: it's not Debian. |
| 05:34.12 | autojack | and yet: crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 4 2008-05-18 22:27 /dev/audio |
| 05:34.29 | beardy | lgc: Then you should ask in the roght place, have a nice day. |
| 05:34.33 | beardy | right |
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| 05:35.31 | jelly-home | autojack, is there a special reason for your using oss compatibility instead of alsa? |
| 05:35.57 | lgc | beardy, I ask around here because I usually get some fine advice I don't get elsewhere. |
| 05:35.58 | autojack | jelly-home: no... I didn't opt for one or the other, this is just how I found things. |
| 05:36.02 | autojack | after install. |
| 05:36.06 | jelly-home | autojack, ah. install mpg123-alsa instead |
| 05:36.11 | beardy | lgc: Be gone or I will curse you indeed. |
| 05:36.11 | autojack | OK |
| 05:37.01 | lgc | beardy, you have a fine fucking debian bigot day. |
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| 05:37.05 | jelly-home | beardy, you have levels in witching? |
| 05:37.09 | autojack | jelly-home: ... I get the same error after switching to alsa. |
| 05:37.13 | jelly-home | witchcraft* |
| 05:37.42 | beardy | jelly-home: I wish, I really do. |
| 05:37.48 | jelly-home | autojack, verify you're using the correct mpg123 alternative? |
| 05:38.30 | jelly-home | autojack, readlink -f `which mpg123` |
| 05:38.30 | autojack | yeah, I'm literally running mpg123-alsa filename.mp3 |
| 05:38.36 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 05:38.39 | autojack | and that's after I did apt-get remove mpg123. |
| 05:38.54 | autojack | and then install mpg123-alsa. |
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| 05:39.18 | jelly-home | autojack, is any /dev/snd/pcm* present? |
| 05:39.19 | beardy | I mean, I did give of my time, when I have better things to do, but some people can't understand to not ask in the right place, and then cursing at me, well.. Good thing I had sandwiches. |
| 05:39.29 | beardy | -not |
| 05:39.29 | jelly-home | !tell autojack about alsa checklist |
| 05:39.35 | beardy | Have fun. |
| 05:40.01 | autojack | jelly-home: did you see above where stew had me modprobe snd-pcm-oss? should I not do that if I'm using alsa? |
| 05:40.10 | autojack | ah, hehe |
| 05:40.13 | streuner | beardy: don't worry, that happens to us in the past and future |
| 05:40.13 | autojack | step 7... |
| 05:40.21 | beardy | streuner: Of course. :) |
| 05:41.08 | jelly-home | autojack, doesn't matter, that's just a compatibility wrapper to present an OSS device (using alsa drivers) |
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| 05:42.32 | autojack | weird. alsaconf definitely finds the right card and seems to configure it, and at the end I hear a little pop in my speakers. |
| 05:42.37 | autojack | but still no go with mpg123. |
| 05:43.25 | jelly-home | autojack, hm. Does "fuser /dev/snd/*" as root report any process already using any alsa device? |
| 05:44.01 | autojack | nope. |
| 05:44.30 | autojack | very weird, I've definitely never had this much trouble with a common onboard sound card. |
| 05:44.49 | autojack | huh, this is interesting. |
| 05:45.10 | autojack | when I run alsamixer, it's detecting my onboard mpeg decoder chip, not the via sound card. |
| 05:45.17 | autojack | maybe I need to remove those modules. |
| 05:45.35 | autojack | I have this: 00:06.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05) |
| 05:45.48 | autojack | and this: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 05:45.55 | autojack | the latter is what I set up using alsa. |
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| 05:47.38 | jelly-home | perhaps alsa deafults to the first card found |
| 05:48.00 | autojack | well when I run alsaconf, it only finds the Via one. |
| 05:48.12 | omry | got a text file with lines that starts with timestamp like "Jan 31 18:34:11", what's the easiest tool to use to plot a graph from it? |
| 05:48.22 | beardy | Most likely. |
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| 05:48.42 | jelly-home | autojack, what does your /proc/asound/cards look like? |
| 05:48.43 | beardy | autojack: Disable the AC97 one in your BIOS to have less hassle. |
| 05:49.10 | jelly-home | beardy, he _wants_ the onboard one to work |
| 05:49.10 | autojack | what the hell. I just ran alsaconf again, did all the same stuff, and now I'm working. |
| 05:49.23 | beardy | jelly-home: Horrible. |
| 05:49.26 | autojack | ahh |
| 05:49.35 | autojack | I think it's because I unloaded the connexant module first. |
| 05:49.38 | beardy | Or well.. Conexant, maybe not. |
| 05:49.45 | autojack | so, I guess I'll blacklist that. |
| 05:50.01 | autojack | yeah I never knew my motherboard had this connexant stuff on it |
| 05:50.02 | beardy | Take it out then, wasting ur powahs. |
| 05:50.15 | autojack | I wonder if I can use it for mpeg video decoding? |
| 05:51.00 | beardy | Hmm, so it's not a PCI card? |
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| 05:52.09 | autojack | no these are both onboard. |
| 05:52.15 | beardy | I see. |
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| 05:52.52 | autojack | lspci shows a Conexant video and audio decoder, with "audio port," "mpeg port," and "ir port" |
| 05:52.58 | jelly-home | funny that alsa-checklist doesn't mention speaker-test |
| 05:52.59 | beardy | Yes.. sounds like that is what it's for. No idea if, or what can make use of such ones. |
| 05:53.05 | autojack | as well as a Via AC97 audi controller. |
| 05:53.19 | autojack | I've always only used the Via for sound. |
| 05:53.20 | jelly-home | !find bin/speaker-test etch |
| 05:53.50 | autojack | well, Debian has loaded a whole slew of modules for the Conexant stuff. I'll have to look into that. |
| 05:53.59 | autojack | anyway, thanks guys. one step closer. |
| 05:54.10 | autojack | now I just need to get fucking lirc working. |
| 05:54.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/speaker-test' (1): (/usr/bin/speaker-test) in sound/alsa-utils. |
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| 05:59.07 | jelly-home | is thinking of replacing "7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root?" with a speaker-test invocation |
| 05:59.24 | jelly-home | oss-compat needs to rest in peace |
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| 06:00.40 | ranit | i have done everything possible to get the restrictive driver up for my wifi Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) but couldn,t please ref http://pastebin.com/m71f1b62a |
| 06:01.15 | ingw3 | hello! about this openssl vulnerability... if i use openvpn does it generates an ssl keys? |
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| 06:04.46 | EvanR | hello! which debian packages have fonts? |
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| 06:06.14 | ndhul | what dependency i need if i use Java Net Bean 6.xx? |
| 06:06.57 | EvanR | i have yet to find a decent set of chinese fonts, what does a debian system use |
| 06:07.40 | autojack | jelly-home: thanks a lot for the help with sound, it's all good now. |
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| 06:08.58 | sep | EvanR, packages that start with ttf, or xfonts perhaps ? |
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| 06:09.12 | mohadib | how can i make firefox use xmms for pls files instead of the mplayer plugin? |
| 06:09.14 | niru | how can i make a bootable pendrive in windows for linux |
| 06:10.05 | niru | Is there a way to create a bootable usb in windows for a linux install or live image |
| 06:10.30 | peternix | Gonna upgrade this box from 354 megs of ram to 1 gig soon |
| 06:10.31 | markybob | niru, you can pretty much bet that we know nothing about how to do anything on windows |
| 06:10.38 | ndhul | see google |
| 06:10.39 | EvanR | lol |
| 06:10.48 | ndhul | there is many ways |
| 06:11.15 | markybob | i'm rather sure i would've killed myself by now if i still used windows |
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| 06:14.06 | fireba11 | oww .. another ssh update ^^ |
| 06:14.27 | fireba11 | why the 2nd one ? |
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| 06:15.06 | EvanR | ps ax |
| 06:15.12 | EvanR | oops |
| 06:15.49 | Rat409 | ps aux?? :P |
| 06:16.35 | EvanR | the u makes my output quite ugly over here |
| 06:16.52 | Rat409 | indeed lol |
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| 06:20.14 | EvanR | ok so i see for example ttf-dejavu and ttf-dejavu-udeb any idea what that is? |
| 06:20.17 | EvanR | what does udeb mean |
| 06:20.23 | jelly-home | !udeb |
| 06:20.23 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 06:25.51 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
| 06:25.57 | [nix]-hack | sup |
| 06:26.47 | EvanR | does anyone know how to convert i3d tags from shift-jis encoding to utf8 |
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| 06:26.51 | mick_laptop | i just ran out of space on my / partition :-/ -- i know usually you can muck with a gparted live cd to resize it -- but my drive is encrypted |
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| 06:28.21 | sep | mick_home, make a new partitition out of a directory on your / then |
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| 06:29.06 | mick_laptop | EvanR: http://www.kunxi.org/files/howto-convert-chinese-mp3-for-id3-v2.3-standard/eyeD3conv |
| 06:29.47 | mick_laptop | EvanR: as the name suggest, it depends on eyeD3 library |
| 06:30.06 | EvanR | hmmm, maybe i can fix it to use iconv |
| 06:30.27 | EvanR | and to make it so it thinks they are japanese, not chinese :) |
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| 06:30.53 | EvanR | oh eyeD3 is for the id3tag stuff nevermind |
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| 06:32.56 | mick_laptop | http://eyed3.nicfit.net/ <-- this is the required lib |
| 06:33.42 | mick_laptop | sep - what do you mean? |
| 06:33.52 | EvanR | hmmm. these mp3's are probably from some japanese guys windows box. if i convert them to utf8, i wonder what windows users will see |
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| 06:34.48 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 06:34.56 | mick_laptop | i wish that utf-8 didn't look like crap on thunderbird on kde (i think utf-8 looks bad on kde - period really) |
| 06:35.05 | HSorgYves | i am getting the following error in policyd, maybe someone knows: cache: err: warning: cache: No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/policyd-weight line 2423, <GEN546> line 24. |
| 06:35.13 | mick_laptop | i work with someone who is from china - and my emails from him give me a headache |
| 06:35.24 | EvanR | mick_laptop: uhm what? |
| 06:35.24 | mick_laptop | some courier-like utf-8 font |
| 06:35.38 | mick_laptop | the utf-8 english fonts |
| 06:35.42 | EvanR | mick_laptop: oh you mean chinese in kde/qt |
| 06:35.59 | mick_laptop | nope |
| 06:36.00 | EvanR | that is not utf8, that is qt3's terrible font selection intelligence |
| 06:36.24 | mick_laptop | right |
| 06:36.35 | mick_laptop | if you happen to know how to fix that do let me know |
| 06:36.38 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 06:37.00 | EvanR | and while at least all the characters show up in gtk apps, it still looks terrible for a reason i cant understand, there appear to be two kinds of chinese characters |
| 06:37.02 | mick_laptop | sep: i still don't know what you meant with your comment |
| 06:37.22 | EvanR | good looking common ones, and rare ones where a font replacement needs to take place, and it invaraibly is a different style font |
| 06:37.48 | mick_laptop | EvanR: well, there is traditional (used mainly in thailand???) and simplified chinese |
| 06:38.36 | mick_laptop | i've worked with utf-8 and i18n/l10n in the past (from a development standpoint) -- the asian characters etc always kill me :) |
| 06:38.46 | EvanR | yeah :( |
| 06:39.02 | EvanR | i guess the chinese either dont use kde, or they hate kde |
| 06:39.22 | mick_laptop | i have the unicode 3.0 book - and after looking in there - i feel like i know less than i did before i looked ;) |
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| 06:39.31 | EvanR | same problem to a lesser extent in gnome |
| 06:39.32 | mick_laptop | heh |
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| 06:39.39 | EvanR | japanese, on the other hand is flawless, and korean |
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| 06:41.10 | mick_laptop | i think that all asian pr0n should be labeled w/ ASCII -- that would make most of your problems go away :-P |
| 06:41.21 | billy12 | i removed a wifi card and added a wired nic, the wifi was eth3, but the new nic is eth4, how do i make my new interface eth3 |
| 06:41.39 | EvanR | i have a sinking suspicion that on windows these utf8 mp3's are going to look like ass (this is my test of the channel language policy) |
| 06:43.04 | mick_laptop | billy12: not sure - but try this: grep -R eth /etc/* |
| 06:43.15 | mick_laptop | and that should reveal something |
| 06:43.16 | sep | mick_home, i mean that if you have /usr on your / you can make a new partition for /usr and mount it on your root. avoiding the need to resize / at all ( /usr is an example ) |
| 06:43.41 | mick_laptop | "/" is full - i'd like to shrink "/home" -- which i gace too much space |
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| 06:44.32 | astro76 | EvanR: heh this channel doesn't have one |
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| 06:44.53 | mick_laptop | sep: my table http://pastebin.ca/1022525 |
| 06:45.02 | mick_laptop | it only says "/" is full |
| 06:45.09 | mick_laptop | not anything under "/" |
| 06:45.11 | mick_laptop | :-/ |
| 06:45.37 | EvanR | whats the point of unicode, if half the os's use utf8 and half use utf16 |
| 06:45.42 | EvanR | >:( |
| 06:45.48 | EvanR | where half means windows, and half mean everything else |
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| 06:46.08 | mick_laptop | utf8 -- 99% of the world is happy -- easier to impliment |
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| 06:46.17 | xingu | EvanR: the great thing about standards is there's so many to choose from |
| 06:46.20 | mick_laptop | utf16 -- the others are happy |
| 06:46.20 | EvanR | lol |
| 06:46.44 | EvanR | mick_laptop: yeah but it means in the future you cant transfer files from unix to windows |
| 06:46.52 | EvanR | ... well perhaps in the future windows will be the new os/2 |
| 06:47.03 | mick_laptop | someone on my dev team always says that -- i wonder where that quote comes from |
| 06:47.33 | mick_laptop | xingu: happen to know? |
| 06:47.55 | sep | mick_home, that's becouse you have not MADE it yet |
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| 06:48.37 | xingu | mick_home: nope, but if I had to pick I'd say bell labs :) |
| 06:48.40 | sep | if you take /usr (part of / ) and make it a separate partition, you free up the space /usr consumes on / and move it to the separate partition |
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| 06:49.13 | sep | assumes offcourse you have some free space for tha partition somewhere |
| 06:49.29 | sep | ahh you allready HAVE /usr |
| 06:49.41 | Helmi | hey all - is there any known issue with the actual imagemagick version from the repositories? |
| 06:49.46 | mick_laptop | sep: yes |
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| 06:50.14 | sep | mick_home, du -shx /* |
| 06:50.19 | mick_laptop | and to be honest, i know very little about LVM |
| 06:50.44 | sep | mick_home, vgdisplay to see if you have free space somewhere |
| 06:50.51 | mick_laptop | sep: what am i supposed to be looking for ;) |
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| 06:51.31 | sep | the line say ing FREE:_qqq |
| 06:51.41 | mick_laptop | Free PE / Size 0 / 0 |
| 06:51.43 | mick_laptop | :( |
| 06:51.46 | sep | ah :) |
| 06:51.53 | Helmi | all of the imagemagick stuff broker during the last days - though i don't know if i've seen an update these days but as it's on at least 3 etch servers i guess it's something todo either with the imagemagick package or php5 from dotdeb!? |
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| 06:52.15 | sep | the great thing about klvm is that you can add space where you need it when you need it... that ofcourse assume you have some free space available :) |
| 06:52.29 | debian | I need a random number... |
| 06:52.33 | mick_laptop | Helmi: well, i do know that very recently the imagemagick devs have done a lot of bug fixes |
| 06:52.43 | debian | What distro should I ask? |
| 06:52.46 | mick_laptop | there are 200 open bugs -- than they wanted to go through everything |
| 06:52.59 | mick_laptop | debian: huh? |
| 06:53.01 | Helmi | mick_laptop: hmm ok - seems like they've put in some more ;) |
| 06:53.12 | markybob | 34532! |
| 06:53.32 | debian | mick_laptop: It was a bug in the random number for SSH :P |
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| 06:53.52 | sep | mick_home, i would take a backup of /home. perhaps temporarily move it to /var/tmp/home. then remove and recreate /home with a smaller size. leaving you free space to use where you like. |
| 06:54.01 | mick_laptop | that was days ago -- :-P |
| 06:54.05 | markybob | debian, tell us something we dont know. asking for a random number is a pretty dumb thing to do |
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| 06:54.31 | sep | debian, 9' |
| 06:54.38 | nevyn | debian: 9 |
| 06:54.44 | sep | (as in nine the random nuber) :) |
| 06:55.09 | pythonic | wrong. 4 is the random number. |
| 06:55.16 | debian | sep nevyn You picked the same, thats not random. It is easy to crack with cryptoanalyzis. |
| 06:55.32 | sep | debian, that's the problem with randomness... you never can be sure :) |
| 06:55.34 | cypha | can someone help with a microphone issue? |
| 06:55.39 | xingu | randomness permits an infinity of unchanging output |
| 06:55.42 | markybob | ok...time to /ignore |
| 06:55.48 | sep | it's just as likely to say 9 9 9 as it is to say anything else |
| 06:55.49 | HSorgYves | can someone point me to a webpage on the usage of /usr/bin/mail from c? |
| 06:57.05 | xingu | mick_home: have you looked in /root, just out of interest? |
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| 06:57.28 | debian | Will it come more SSH bugs? |
| 06:57.43 | debian | Should I use something else? |
| 06:57.45 | markybob | debian, will you stop being a trolling ass? |
| 06:57.59 | mick_laptop | ok, one poor guy comments out one line of code -- good grief... can we drop it already? |
| 06:58.23 | mick_laptop | xingu: look for...? |
| 06:58.26 | Bushmills | debian: read before trolling, the bug wasn't a ssh bug. |
| 06:58.39 | mick_laptop | ok - i moved /home/* into /var/tmp |
| 06:58.42 | pythonic | no, one poor guy comments out two lines of code |
| 06:58.45 | xingu | mick_home: reclaimable space; admittedly 268M is a little shy for /lib* and the other bits of root |
| 06:59.11 | mick_laptop | well, i really think that 200 MB won't do it for me |
| 06:59.26 | pythonic | definitely a communist |
| 06:59.34 | mick_laptop | i just used a guided install (my problem was that i couldn't see the screen when doing the install) |
| 06:59.37 | debian | markybob: Sorrt |
| 07:00.20 | mick_laptop | the nightly mini gtk installer was a bit warped |
| 07:00.30 | mick_laptop | meaning: the screen was out of wack |
| 07:00.45 | mick_laptop | so i went from memory |
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| 07:01.05 | mick_laptop | i didn't think that guided would give me such wacky partition sizes :-P |
| 07:01.11 | xingu | all you need is debootstrap, three chords, and the truth |
| 07:01.22 | mick_laptop | lol |
| 07:01.25 | markybob | mick_laptop, for installer bugs, try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 07:01.37 | mick_laptop | doesn't matter right now |
| 07:01.44 | mick_laptop | i have another problem :-P |
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| 07:01.51 | mick_laptop | more pertinent to me |
| 07:02.19 | mick_laptop | ok, under cfdisk i only see 2 partitions |
| 07:02.35 | mick_laptop | i guess i'll need to create/delete with LVM instead |
| 07:03.10 | mick_laptop | lvresize looks like it is an option |
| 07:03.20 | mick_laptop | i hope that there is an example in the manpage |
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| 07:04.18 | mick_laptop | well - i just found one in lvreduce |
| 07:04.32 | mick_laptop | "lvreduce -l -3 vg00/lvol1" reduces the size of logical volume lvol1 in volume group vg00 by 3 logical extents. |
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| 07:04.49 | mick_laptop | can someone translate that into english? |
| 07:04.51 | markybob | did you also find #lvm ? :P |
| 07:04.54 | sep | mick_home, yes you can redude /home but i would take the backups anyway |
| 07:05.12 | mick_laptop | i don't care about /home really |
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| 07:05.19 | sep | keep in mind that you need to reduce the filesystem before reducing the volume |
| 07:05.37 | mick_laptop | sep: which means what? :) |
| 07:06.01 | sep | mick_home, imagine a 10 litre bucket as your volume |
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| 07:06.11 | sep | imagine 10 liters of water beeing the filesystem |
| 07:06.12 | mick_laptop | k |
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| 07:06.26 | sep | if you ten reduce the bucket without first reduceing the water = spillage |
| 07:06.50 | mick_laptop | since i just did: mv /home/* /var/tmp/ |
| 07:06.55 | markybob | basically, be sure to run resize2fs |
| 07:07.02 | sep | so you first have to reduce the filesystem to eg 40GB , then you can reduce the volume to 40 GB afterwards |
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| 07:08.18 | sep | mick_home, resize2fs /dev/_volume_group_/_logical_volume_name 10G (assuming it's a ext2/3 filesystem) |
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| 07:08.22 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:08.29 | mick_laptop | ah ok |
| 07:08.42 | sep | from your paste i imagine the volumegruop beening www |
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| 07:08.55 | sep | and the logical volume beeing home |
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| 07:09.19 | sep | and you need to unmount /home first |
| 07:09.22 | mick_laptop | so would it be: /dev/mapper/www-home ??? |
| 07:09.31 | sep | and probably also run fsck |
| 07:09.43 | sep | mick_home, no! /dev/www/home afaik |
| 07:09.53 | sep | use tab to autocompleate |
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| 07:10.01 | mick_laptop | shit - umount: /home: device is busy |
| 07:10.06 | sep | the mapper is just to confuse you |
| 07:10.13 | mick_laptop | let me use fuser to see what is using it |
| 07:10.15 | sep | mick_home, perhaps you are logged in as one of the users there |
| 07:10.45 | sep | makes you wonder what happened with your mv :) |
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| 07:11.47 | richardus | right now i've got sources.list with the official lenny repo and the WineHQ's deb repo. how can I force apt to always use the wine package from WineHQ and not debian? |
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| 07:12.11 | markybob | richardus, -t |
| 07:12.20 | richardus | markybob: ? |
| 07:12.31 | markybob | -t. apt-get option |
| 07:12.36 | sep | richardus, most likely the winehq version number should be higher so wont that be pretty automatic ? if the debian version > winehq version something very odd will be going on :) |
| 07:13.08 | richardus | sep: debian's lenny is higher then wine's, it is weird |
| 07:13.16 | EvanR | sep: well you know, debian packagers make changes to the source, perhaps they also upgrade the version number on the devs behalf :) |
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| 07:13.24 | sep | richardus, that IS wierd |
| 07:13.35 | sep | richardus, perhaps the winehq one is stale ? |
| 07:14.17 | richardus | they were updating it pretty well up util a month ago or so |
| 07:14.30 | richardus | but i've seen no mention of discontinuing |
| 07:14.55 | mick_laptop | sep: ok, so i just did: fuser -m /home -k && umount /home |
| 07:15.04 | mick_laptop | now what :) |
| 07:15.18 | alfadir | hi, the bugzilla package that is mentioned in http://bugs.debian.org/465426 (bugzilla 3.0.4).. where can it be found ? or can one find status of the upload somewhere ? |
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| 07:16.03 | mick_laptop | lvresize /dev/www-home 2 GB |
| 07:16.09 | mick_laptop | sep: ^^ ? |
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| 07:18.26 | mick_laptop | alfadir: bugzilla is such an easy package -- i see no reason why not to just get the tarball :) |
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| 07:18.44 | mick_laptop | besides, 3.1 is really better |
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| 07:20.04 | alfadir | mick_laptop: sure I have already hacked 22.2 to do ldap groups and there is : ( http://www.mozilla.gr.jp/~shimono/blog/?p=37 ) I was just looking for the official package.. |
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| 07:21.03 | mick_laptop | 3.1 does ldap groups (i admin a bugzilla setup and i use it daily) :) |
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| 07:21.11 | mick_laptop | no hacking needed :-P |
| 07:21.18 | alfadir | openldap groups |
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| 07:21.28 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 07:21.29 | alfadir | not storing the member in the user |
| 07:21.37 | alfadir | ok |
| 07:21.38 | mick_laptop | ah - ok i get it now |
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| 07:22.04 | mick_laptop | i use member <-> user |
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| 07:22.42 | talik | hi there |
| 07:22.54 | mick_laptop | alfadir: i misread the comment - not sure that would be useful for me though |
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| 07:23.12 | mick_laptop | i wish that i could take people out of bugzilla though -- people who aren't in ldap anymore |
| 07:23.13 | alfadir | mick_laptop: sure, i want to limit users access depending on project |
| 07:23.34 | alfadir | if you are a member of a dev group for proj X you get svn and bugzilla etc access |
| 07:23.34 | mick_laptop | i know the logins don't work, but they are still listed in the dropdown list (which is annoying) |
| 07:23.37 | alfadir | wiki |
| 07:23.38 | sep | mick_home, i think i said /dev/www/home earlier |
| 07:23.47 | sep | mick_home, and you type it wrong |
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| 07:24.09 | sep | read the manpage man lvreduce |
| 07:24.16 | mick_laptop | Physical Volume "/home/" not found in Volume Group "www" |
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| 07:24.40 | sep | mick_home, i think i said /dev/www/home earlier not /dev/www/home/ |
| 07:24.42 | mick_laptop | alfadir: hmm, i wanted to do that in my setup, mind if i /msg you? got a few questions |
| 07:24.50 | sep | ask in the channel |
| 07:24.56 | alfadir | no problem |
| 07:24.57 | sep | ohh nevermind me :P |
| 07:25.06 | mick_laptop | sep: lvresize -t /dev/www/home /home/ 2gb |
| 07:25.09 | alfadir | mick_laptop: /msg me.. |
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| 07:25.38 | sep | mick_home, you still type it wrong, read the man page |
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| 07:25.56 | sep | especialy the part about -L |
| 07:26.45 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.01 | sep | /home/ is something you have imagined |
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| 07:27.19 | talik | Hello everybody. I've installed a debian under qemu, on an physic server ubuntu based (without screen and inputs (mouse or keyboard), my physic server is administred by ssh and I've a x server that i manage trhough vnc. The problem is that my qemu-debian (without X) have a qwerty keyboard, and I cannot change it, even by dpkg-reconfigure console-data or by copping /usr/share/keymaps/i386/azerty/fr-latin0.kmap.gz to |
| 07:27.19 | talik | /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz. Can somebody help me :( please |
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| 07:30.48 | markybob | "vbox-bench.vdi: 39560 extents found, perfection would be 22 extents" wow that's not good. so much for ext3 not being prone to fragmentation |
| 07:31.31 | J_ | any ideas on what would cause this: |
| 07:31.33 | J_ | # iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 07:31.34 | J_ | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 07:31.40 | J_ | im baffled by it heh |
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| 07:34.46 | jelly-home | J_, custom kernel? |
| 07:35.14 | J_ | unfortunately its a VPS, so its probably at fault |
| 07:35.33 | J_ | its an openvz guest |
| 07:36.03 | jelly-home | J_, depending on what kind of virtualization is used, you may or may not have any access to iptables |
| 07:36.45 | J_ | i better bitch at the company then hehhe |
| 07:36.49 | J_ | thanks |
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| 07:45.38 | mick_laptop | sep: http://pastebin.com/d56aedbc9 |
| 07:46.06 | mick_laptop | sep: i read the manpage - and i got a bit further - problem is that it fails w/ an fclose because of the space on the disk |
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| 07:47.57 | sep | perhaps lvreduze require some space to manage the reduction, you can allways add your usb pen to the lvm tempoprarily,. but that's a bit ugly. since you have backups allready i would just remove it and recreate it. |
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| 07:48.18 | sep | or you can try to google :) |
| 07:48.37 | sep | ohh |
| 07:48.42 | sep | it's / that is full |
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| 07:48.53 | sep | can't you remove smoething in /root/ |
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| 07:49.20 | sep | or /tmp |
| 07:49.23 | mick_laptop | nothing there - i found a way (ln -s the cache directory) |
| 07:49.35 | sep | ack |
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| 07:49.46 | mick_laptop | well it kind of worked |
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| 07:49.57 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.27 | mick_laptop | now do i remount it? |
| 07:50.34 | EvanR | mick_laptop: so hopefully kde4 has that chinese stuff fixed |
| 07:50.38 | EvanR | havent tried it yet |
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| 07:51.08 | mick_laptop | EvanR: if you figure out why it looks so bad - let me know ;) |
| 07:51.18 | mick_laptop | on my list of low priority stuff that bugs me |
| 07:51.20 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 07:51.29 | EvanR | i have a huge such list |
| 07:51.44 | mick_laptop | oh crap /dev/mapper/www-home 268M 268M 0 100% /home |
| 07:51.58 | fireba11 | question: how to check of cool 'n' quiet works on my box ? |
| 07:52.02 | mick_laptop | i thought that: lvresize /dev/www/home -L 2000 |
| 07:52.10 | EvanR | mick_laptop: the qt guys told me that the qt3 font replacement is broken, and that means it isnt going to be fixed, because they are all working on qt4 |
| 07:52.18 | mick_laptop | 2000mb != 200M |
| 07:52.22 | mick_laptop | wtf... |
| 07:52.44 | mick_laptop | EvanR: well kde4 is packaged |
| 07:52.55 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: Hello |
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| 07:53.41 | EvanR | mick_laptop: i dont have debian :) |
| 07:53.45 | mick_laptop | fireba11: what is taht? |
| 07:54.12 | tarzeau | hello Fox_1_ |
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| 07:54.29 | fireba11 | mick_home : clocking down cpu to save power ? ^^ |
| 07:54.44 | mick_laptop | !livecd |
| 07:54.44 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 07:54.47 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: how are you? how is works going? :) |
| 07:55.02 | mick_laptop | EvanR: the live cd has kde4 |
| 07:55.09 | mick_laptop | if you are interested to see |
| 07:55.10 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: i haven't had a great weekend, work's as usual. you? |
| 07:55.11 | mick_laptop | :) |
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| 07:55.26 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: fine thanks. |
| 07:55.43 | EvanR | not really, ill wait until kde4-1.0.0-thistimeforreal |
| 07:56.27 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: did you hear about the project Hrat? |
| 07:56.35 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: http://hrat.debian.am/ |
| 07:56.58 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: no |
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| 07:57.33 | mick_laptop | cool - armenian :) |
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| 07:57.45 | mick_laptop | Fox_1_: are you armenian by any chance? |
| 07:57.46 | Fox_1_ | :) thanks mick_laptop |
| 07:57.51 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 07:58.07 | EvanR | they have the internet? |
| 07:58.16 | Thybo | i connected my ipod i can't find out what /dev/ name he has... how can i get that? |
| 07:58.26 | Fox_1_ | EvanR: yes, and not only |
| 07:59.51 | mick_laptop | EvanR: oh - you must be an american :) |
| 08:00.18 | mick_laptop | Thybo: dmesg will tel you |
| 08:00.46 | EvanR | mick_laptop: we invented the internet :) |
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| 08:01.08 | EvanR | the honorable al gore, to be precise :) |
| 08:01.09 | Thybo | "FAT: Directory bread(block 520) failed" is this bad when u have hundreds of them? |
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| 08:02.56 | Thybo | thx mick_laptop :) |
| 08:03.00 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: did you check? what are you think about that? |
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| 08:03.10 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: is good, yes i looked |
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| 08:04.51 | rm | interesting, Xfce is so popular in a poll on that website |
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| 08:04.56 | rm | uses Xfce everywhere too |
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| 08:09.55 | c0nfl|ct | BOM DIA |
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| 08:14.52 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:14.56 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 08:15.04 | simonrvn | apt's fixed =) |
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| 08:16.47 | markybob | apt is banned |
| 08:17.02 | markybob | stew banned it a few hours ago |
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| 08:17.15 | pjv | what's a good audio cd ripper program to use? |
| 08:17.30 | markybob | pjv, newbie? sound jucier |
| 08:17.37 | pjv | kool |
| 08:17.45 | pjv | markybob: ty |
| 08:17.50 | markybob | juicer* |
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| 08:17.56 | simonrvn | oh, well i tested it in another chan and i can say it is fixed now |
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| 08:25.05 | vedant | hi |
| 08:25.05 | apt | bonjour |
| 08:25.33 | vedant | i am trying to install x server, but can't find startx |
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| 08:25.45 | vedant | what happened to startx? |
| 08:25.50 | vedant | was it deprecated? |
| 08:25.53 | simonrvn | install xbase-clients |
| 08:26.10 | vedant | thanks |
| 08:26.10 | apt | de rien, vedant |
| 08:26.33 | rm | $ dpkg -S startx |
| 08:26.35 | rm | xinit: /usr/bin/startx |
| 08:26.39 | rm | ...or xinit |
| 08:26.43 | simonrvn | next time, |
| 08:26.43 | simonrvn | !search |
| 08:26.43 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 08:27.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do I reset the audio subsystem? I've got a VIA integrated soundcard and all of a sudden it's only playing out of the right speaker. |
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| 08:27.45 | simonrvn | unloading the modules worked for me on my sb16 |
| 08:27.50 | vedant | umm i didn't search because it used to work earlier, as early as a week or so i think, suddenly startx was no longer there today |
| 08:28.06 | vedant | so i thought something must have changed and it might be better to ask in irc |
| 08:28.13 | simonrvn | then reloading them... either alsa reload or /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 08:28.33 | Bushmills | vedant: you're asking us who stole it from you? |
| 08:28.39 | mick_laptop | damn - i want to get some sleep soon. whenever i resize my partitions they end up being 268M |
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| 08:28.50 | mick_laptop | lvresize /dev/www/root -l +8000 |
| 08:29.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | simonrvn: Ah, thanks |
| 08:29.22 | vedant | Bushmills: i guess, if it can be put that way :P |
| 08:29.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | I wasn't sure if that was a module thing or if there was some special thing I had to do |
| 08:29.50 | Bushmills | vedant: i'd say, your mom or your gf |
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| 08:30.21 | jelly-home | or the EVIL #debian backdoor |
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| 08:30.43 | mick_laptop | lvextend /dev/www/root -l +5000 |
| 08:30.45 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.46 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.52 | Bushmills | vedant: but that's merely a guess, based on the wealth of information you're offering about that assumed theft |
| 08:30.57 | vedant | Bushmills: I don't have a gf. And my mom doesn't know anything about *nix |
| 08:30.59 | mick_laptop | yet, df -h - tells me 256M? |
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| 08:31.14 | vedant | Bushmills: nevermind, startx is back |
| 08:31.14 | rm | mick_home, grow your fs |
| 08:31.30 | mick_laptop | ah so i still need to use growfs |
| 08:31.37 | rm | yeah |
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| 08:31.49 | rm | and if you need to reduce the size |
| 08:31.57 | rm | you need to shrink the FS first |
| 08:32.00 | mick_laptop | if only i could use apt-get install growfs :( |
| 08:32.08 | jelly-home | mick_home, which fs? |
| 08:32.38 | mick_laptop | ext3 - i'm using dm-crypt to encrypt my LVM |
| 08:32.54 | jelly-home | mick_home, you already have resize2fs |
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| 08:33.07 | mick_laptop | ah right |
| 08:33.08 | SlayerXP | (people who split a single 80Gb disk into 14 partitions, one of which containing nothing but mountpoints for three of the other partitions)-- # Arrrrgh. |
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| 08:33.41 | Bushmills | hehe. "modular" |
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| 08:34.02 | jelly-home | SlayerXP, I bet they've hit the 15 partitions limits |
| 08:34.15 | fireba11 | SlayerXP : points those people at LVM :-) |
| 08:34.40 | fireba11 | also, hit 'em with a cluebeat |
| 08:34.53 | Thybo | anyone running itunes here ? |
| 08:34.55 | jelly-home | uses dm to split a physical device into 240 wee chunks |
| 08:35.12 | rm | i see no point in splitting physical devices at all |
| 08:36.03 | jelly-home | does |
| 08:36.12 | Bushmills | uses directories, to split a partiton into many file containers |
| 08:36.24 | jelly-home | fsck of a 15TB fs takes awfully long |
| 08:36.26 | petemc | fiendish |
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| 08:36.49 | rm | 15TB of ext3? :O |
| 08:37.17 | jelly-home | no, it's 240 little ext3fses. |
| 08:37.29 | dragonheart | worth a read/listen if interested in reducing fsck times http://linux.conf.au/programme/detail?TalkID=262 |
| 08:37.36 | dragonheart | still experimental |
| 08:37.38 | rm | crazy X___X |
| 08:37.58 | rm | man mkfs.xfs <- worth a read for same reason too |
| 08:38.12 | jelly-home | the OS I'm using only has ext3 :-) |
| 08:38.19 | dragonheart | (proably shorter too) |
| 08:38.29 | rm | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.30 | jatt | is there any hardware device so I can connect a few old hard disks (from my broken old PC) to my laptop and access them |
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| 08:38.47 | syntrx | jatt: ide disks? |
| 08:38.48 | petemc | jatt: drive caddys |
| 08:38.53 | jatt | syntrx: yes IDE ones |
| 08:39.02 | syntrx | what petemc said |
| 08:39.03 | Bushmills | jatt: yes. they are called "computers" |
| 08:39.20 | jatt | Bushmills: I don't want to buy another computer :), just access the disks with my laptop |
| 08:39.23 | rm | there are USB boxes for HDDs |
| 08:39.27 | jelly-home | rm, #rhel is the proper channel. I'm just providing an counterexample to <rm> i see no point in splitting physical devices at all |
| 08:39.35 | Bushmills | jatt: usb to ide converters exist |
| 08:39.36 | kgod | jelly-home: lube up well. |
| 08:39.47 | rm | jelly-home, i hate rhel fiercely for such things :) |
| 08:40.00 | jatt | syntrx: petemc: thanks... will google a little bit about that. Do you own some of them? could you recommend a brand? |
| 08:40.01 | rm | i.e. for not providing a modern filesystem as a choice |
| 08:40.05 | jelly-home | I don't, they provide support. |
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| 08:40.48 | jatt | Bushmills: interesting. My PC is broken (motherboard got burned) but I would like to access the disks from the laptop if possible. |
| 08:40.54 | syntrx | jatt: pretty much anything cheap off ebay will likely do the job |
| 08:41.03 | mick_laptop | oh i love linux |
| 08:41.17 | mick_laptop | worked -- thanks guys - especially sep ;) |
| 08:41.26 | mick_laptop | now i can get some sleep |
| 08:41.36 | kgod | f-spot bug, amd64, can't find/load NDesk.DBus mono thing: http://paste.debian.net/3521/ |
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| 08:42.07 | Bushmills | jatt: those are sometimes advertised as "make a usb drive from any ide hard disk" or such |
| 08:42.24 | jelly-home | jatt, there are lots of external usb2, firewire or eSATA-connected PATA or SATA enclosures |
| 08:42.53 | kgod | jatt: what jelly-home said. |
| 08:43.18 | frieder | someone knows how to stream my audioout to an streaming server like icecast .. |
| 08:43.28 | jatt | ok thanks guys I will check ebay and amazon hopefully I find something cheap |
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| 08:43.42 | Bushmills | frieder: ezstream for example |
| 08:45.03 | frieder | Bushmills: Thanks!! |
| 08:45.25 | Bushmills | np |
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| 08:46.57 | Bushmills | frieder: http://scarydevilmonastery.net:8000/stream1 is streamed with ezstream |
| 08:47.22 | frieder | whats that? |
| 08:47.37 | Bushmills | ezstream? icecast stream client |
| 08:48.19 | Bushmills | or the noise? that was Knorkator |
| 08:48.27 | frieder | har har |
| 08:48.49 | Bushmills | this is disharmonic orchestra now |
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| 08:49.52 | Varange | hi there. hoping to get some help with a strange networking problem. |
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| 08:50.27 | HSorgYves | re, may i use list@domaina.com and a different list@domainb.com on the same server using Mailman? |
| 08:50.33 | slxix | strange network problems are always fun. |
| 08:50.37 | Varange | my browser will happily connect to direct IP addresses and get the page, but will not resolve hostnames. |
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| 08:50.59 | Bushmills | Varange: dns issue. check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:51.00 | jelly-home | Varange, pastebin the contents of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:51.01 | Varange | I can use dig and it will find the correct ip address, |
| 08:51.01 | rm | that strange thing called DNS does not work |
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| 08:51.41 | Varange | Bushmills and jelly-home , my resolve.conf just contains nameserver 10.1.1.1 |
| 08:51.44 | Bushmills | Varange: turn off use of proxy in browser for a test |
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| 08:52.18 | jelly-home | Varange, is that your real nameserver? Does it work (host google.com 10.1.1.1)? |
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| 08:52.37 | Varange | Bushmills, I have no proxy |
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| 08:53.13 | jelly-home | HSorgYves, yes, but not easily. Best to ask #mailman, this is a rather common issue |
| 08:53.14 | Varange | jelly-home, yes, that works |
| 08:53.28 | crille | people, if I use the latest netinst cd, and when prompted to choose wich type of system I want to have, if I untick everything, what will be installed? |
| 08:53.29 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: thx |
| 08:53.46 | crille | and will the system be usable? |
| 08:53.46 | jelly-home | Varange, does "getent hosts google.com" work as well? |
| 08:53.50 | Bushmills | Varange: then do what jelly-home says |
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| 08:54.03 | Varange | jelly-home, even connecting to freenode only worked when I did "/server 216.165.191.52" |
| 08:54.14 | Varange | dsaf |
| 08:54.19 | Varange | jelly-home, even connecting to freenode only worked when I did "/server 216.165.191.52" |
| 08:54.21 | Bushmills | Varange: no dns involved with that |
| 08:54.29 | Varange | exactly Bushmills |
| 08:54.48 | jelly-home | Varange, I'm aware you have problems. Please answer my question. |
| 08:55.06 | Bushmills | so "even" connecting would be "of course" connecting by ip address works |
| 08:55.13 | Varange | jelly, "64.233.187.99 google.com" |
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| 08:55.27 | Varange | that is from getent |
| 08:55.38 | Varange | yes Bushmills |
| 08:55.40 | jelly-home | Varange, so your resolver works. Was there a delay? |
| 08:55.46 | Varange | no, immediate |
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| 08:56.22 | crille | and also, if I install a hardened debian, will I be able to use it as a home desktop anyway? wont it restrict me? |
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| 08:56.29 | Bushmills | Varange: what is the host name you enter as url in the browser (tha one which doesn't work)? |
| 08:56.35 | jelly-home | I have no idea why other apps wouldn't work. "getent hosts google.com" does the same library call the other apps do when resolving a symbolic name |
| 08:56.36 | Varange | it all seems to resolve just fine, but the browser and IRC Client don't seem to be using the resolver properly |
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| 08:56.54 | Varange | Bushmills, http://news.google.com would be an example |
| 08:56.56 | jelly-home | Varange, restart them and hope for the best :-) |
| 08:57.11 | Varange | jelly-home, done that many times :) |
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| 08:57.36 | Varange | jelly-home, is there a DNS cache, and if so, how to clean it out? |
| 08:57.44 | slxix | use tcpdump or wireshark when you connect? |
| 08:57.54 | jelly-home | Varange, is there a nscd process running? |
| 08:58.09 | Varange | jelly-home, one mo, I'll check |
| 08:58.20 | jelly-home | Varange, a dns cache would affect all the apps |
| 08:58.37 | mbroeker | after upgrading lenny today, debconf is a bit broken. Every frontend except kde works. Does someone know how to fix the kde frontend: http://rafb.net/p/lVyjW273.html and http://www.abload.de/img/debconfnel.png ? |
| 08:58.41 | slxix | usually when you connect to google.com through its IP address, it'll look up google.com to load up pictures and such. |
| 08:58.57 | Varange | no, no nscd process |
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| 08:59.22 | Varange | slxix, yep |
| 08:59.26 | Varange | hmm |
| 08:59.45 | Varange | maybe I should install ethereal and see |
| 09:00.02 | jelly-home | Varange: no idea then. Current theory: blame the apps (or, if those are KDE or Gnome apps, blame them) ;-) |
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| 09:00.17 | Varange | jelly-home, :) thanks for trying |
| 09:00.42 | Bushmills | Varange: can you pin |
| 09:00.42 | Bushmills | ping news.google.com |
| 09:01.01 | Varange | Bushmills, strangely, yes |
| 09:01.29 | Varange | Bushmills, resolves to 74.125.19.99 |
| 09:01.33 | Varange | hmm |
| 09:01.52 | slxix | maybe you need to switch domain name servers. :) |
| 09:02.01 | jelly-home | no, they work. |
| 09:02.13 | Varange | yep, they work just fine |
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| 09:02.28 | jelly-home | his resolver and dns server is fine, the problem is in the upper layers |
| 09:02.28 | Varange | I have restarted networking and gdm |
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| 09:03.03 | sChaaa | hola |
| 09:03.03 | apt | hello, schaaa |
| 09:03.56 | Bushmills | Varange: you're german in australia? |
| 09:04.35 | Varange | here's something: when I connect to www.google.com with lynx, it reports the following error: Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request. |
| 09:04.47 | Varange | Bushmills, yep. "Uwe" :) |
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| 09:05.01 | Bushmills | Varange: will happen to me too soon |
| 09:05.10 | Varange | wonderful. Where from? |
| 09:05.20 | Bushmills | though that's not the cause of your problem |
| 09:05.26 | rhineheart_m | is virtualmin in the repo already? |
| 09:05.28 | Bushmills | from ireland to n.t. first |
| 09:05.36 | Varange | kewl :) |
| 09:05.40 | Bushmills | probably tassie then |
| 09:06.09 | Varange | I just arrived here from NZ. on the sunshine coast at the moment. paradise, I tell you! |
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| 09:07.59 | Varange | another thing: If I go "telnet www.google.com 80", it sits there and "Trying 1.0.0.0 ... " |
| 09:08.04 | Bushmills | nz is on the list too. depending on how it works out in tassie |
| 09:08.16 | Varange | like it's trying to connect to 1.0.0.0. |
| 09:08.22 | Varange | what's with that I wonder |
| 09:08.34 | Varange | Tassie and NZ are too cold, lol |
| 09:08.50 | Bushmills | Varange: try a different dns. |
| 09:09.23 | Bushmills | or .. do you use nis? |
| 09:09.26 | Varange | maybe my hosts file is respoding with crap info |
| 09:09.35 | Varange | nah, just dns |
| 09:09.55 | Varange | Bushmills, I'll restart the whole box again, brb |
| 09:10.50 | frieder | Bushmills: im getting always bad Password errors while trying to connect to the icecast server |
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| 09:12.48 | Bushmills | frieder: icecast config set password for the stream you want to source, and ezstream config set password have to match of course |
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| 09:16.18 | frieder | and how to crypt the password with md5? |
| 09:16.35 | dragonheart | openssl passwd -1 |
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| 09:17.42 | dragonheart | frieder: python, perl mysql and other methods are listed here http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/CommunityEmail |
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| 09:20.27 | Varange | hi Bushmills |
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| 09:21.43 | Bushmills | ok |
| 09:22.04 | Bushmills | try in resolv.conf these: 202.27.158.40 and/or 202.27.156.72 |
| 09:22.17 | Bushmills | (those are in NZ) |
| 09:22.19 | Varange | Bushmills, something even more bizarre. When I first try to connect XChat to freenode, it resolves to 1.0.0.0. I then did a ping to freenode.net which reolved correctly, and now the IRC client also gets the correct IP address, presumably from the DNS cache |
| 09:22.29 | Varange | thanks Bushmills |
| 09:22.29 | apt | sure thing, Varange |
| 09:22.43 | Bushmills | what is your dns / dnsproxy software? |
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| 09:24.12 | Varange | Bushmills, I dunno, how do I check? |
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| 09:28.14 | Varange | Bushmills, it worx!!! |
| 09:28.25 | Varange | with the DNS servers you supplied |
| 09:28.33 | Varange | bluddy hell. I don't get it |
| 09:28.44 | Bushmills | Varange: netstat -lnutp|grep ":53 " could do |
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| 09:30.26 | Bushmills | probably pdnsd or maradns are the most suited dns/dns proxies on a home net. at least i found them both to work ok. |
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| 09:31.07 | petemc | Bushmills: bind works ok too |
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| 09:31.33 | Bushmills | petemc: yes works. but i think bind is overkill for this application |
| 09:32.14 | petemc | its not exactly heavyweight... |
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| 09:32.38 | Bushmills | it is by far the heaviest of these three |
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| 09:32.50 | rm | btw, can pdnds serve both on IPv4 and IPv6? |
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| 09:33.17 | Bushmills | "pdnsd is a IPv6 capable proxy domain name server (DNS) which saves the contents of its DNS cache to the disk on exit." |
| 09:34.04 | Bushmills | oh. "both" as in "both at the same time"? |
| 09:34.10 | rm | exactly |
| 09:34.25 | Bushmills | i think it does one or the other |
| 09:34.25 | rm | "-6 enables IPv6 support. IPv4 support is automatically disabled (should it be available)." |
| 09:34.36 | rm | this is from man page, yeah :( |
| 09:34.38 | rm | hmm |
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| 09:36.55 | Mithsir | Hi! Are X509 certs generated by mozilla (e.g. for cacert.org) affected by the recent openssh issue? |
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| 09:41.11 | mbroeker | Mithsir, CaCert.org has some informations on their website about the problem. they say, that their Root Certificate is not affected at all, but internally, they were affected. |
| 09:41.55 | enouf | wants some gory details |
| 09:41.59 | mbroeker | their root certificate has a private key and this private key was generated years before the impact. |
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| 09:42.52 | msshams | how can i find that one of my packages where is installed? |
| 09:42.58 | Mithsir | how about user certificates that are created using mozilla on a debian system? |
| 09:43.13 | Bushmills | msshams: dpkg -l packagename |
| 09:43.30 | enouf | mbroeker: do you know if most browsers like mozilla use what's in file:///etc/ssl/certs/ ? or do they bring their own when installed? |
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| 09:44.07 | SlayerXP | msshams: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 09:44.10 | enouf | msshams: and dpkg -L pkgname to see all the files in the pkg |
| 09:45.00 | enouf | msshams: alternatively, install dlocate ; run update-dlocate db ; and dlocate <keyword> |
| 09:45.00 | mbroeker | enouf, all certs in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates are for user space applications like curl. Mozilla ships with their own list of certificates, the same way java does. |
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| 09:45.14 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 09:45.20 | lkthomas | I just install squirrelmail all locale |
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| 09:45.26 | lkthomas | but another language can't shows upo |
| 09:45.30 | lkthomas | anyone could give me some hints ? |
| 09:45.39 | enouf | mbroeker: i see, i don't use nor have those big bloated browsers installed - thanks |
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| 09:46.38 | mmp | Hello, I'm using most recent debian vserver kernel, but it doesn't seem to contain vroot support -- is it possible to somehow enable it without recompiling kernel? Or at least get kernel image containing it... |
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| 09:47.35 | enouf | mbroeker: eww, i did have epiphany-browser instalelled at one time (and IIRC, mozilla), and lookey what i found ;-) file:///etc/ssl/certs/beTRUSTed_Root_CA-Baltimore_Implementation.pem |
| 09:47.35 | mbroeker | enouf, assume you have a self-signed root certificate and you want to install it for mozilla, all applications and java, you need to install it in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates, in /usr/lib/jvm/jre/lib/security/cacerts and in every browser(depends on the browser) except konqueror(konqi uses /etc/ssl/certs/* ) |
| 09:48.01 | enouf | mbroeker: ahh, good to know - thanks |
| 09:49.37 | mbroeker | enouf, you can test my ROOT-certificate if you want... |
| 09:49.38 | enouf | i got all kinds of symlinks in that dir/ , lmao - all kinds of things like; Equifax_Secure_eBusiness_CA_2.pem -> /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/Equifax_Secure_eBusiness_CA_2.crt |
| 09:49.58 | mbroeker | enouf, that's not the debian way |
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| 09:51.32 | mrglinux | how can i figure out what is os of a webserver ( with domain or ip adress) and i can find out what available service's on it ? |
| 09:51.37 | enouf | mbroeker: nah, no thanks, i wouldn't even know how to :-) not to mention all those browsers have been uninstalled -- but 'not the debian way' comment applies to? Mozilla and others installing certs there and elsewhere? |
| 09:52.04 | mbroeker | enouf, the debian way is as follow: apt-get install ca-certificates; echo "enouf/root.crt" >> /etc/ca-certificates.conf and copy your root.crt to /usr/share/ca-certificates/enouf/root.crt and run update-ca-certificates -f |
| 09:52.37 | enouf | mbroeker: interesting - mind if i copy and save that for later? :-) |
| 09:52.58 | rm | mrglinux, try "curl -vvv http://server/" |
| 09:53.04 | mbroeker | enouf, that installs your personal root certificate for all applications which read the /etc/ssl/ structure |
| 09:53.09 | rm | and examine the response headers for "Server: " line |
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| 09:53.59 | enouf | mbroeker: ahh, thank you - i'm reading the comments now in /etc/ca-certificates.conf |
| 09:54.05 | r1Nu | morning! |
| 09:54.38 | r1Nu | wtf? |
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| 09:55.34 | mbroeker | normally christel informs everbody about netsplits :) there must be another guy ... |
| 09:56.24 | cast | instinctively i thought of yelling "PICS" |
| 09:56.32 | Rienzilla | lol |
| 09:56.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | mbroeker, only if their planned |
| 09:56.35 | mrglinux | rm: curl just get content of html that site |
| 09:56.47 | mbroeker | Kamping_Kaiser, hell yes. |
| 09:58.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | "up and down like the assyrian empire" |
| 09:58.05 | rm | mrglinux, try curl -vvv http://servername/ 2>&1 | grep -i Server: |
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| 09:59.57 | enouf | mrglinux: alternatively, links2 has the info avail from the Menu > View > {Header,Doc) info |
| 10:00.33 | mbroeker | can someone help me to investigate a problem? On Lenny, run dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set frontend to Kde and try to do a dpkg-reconfigure debconf with the selected kde frontend. does it work for you ? ( libqt-perl is required) |
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| 10:01.23 | mrglinux | enouf hmm |
| 10:01.44 | enouf | i like doing strings /proc/kcore | grep "Server:" for shits and giggles sometimes :-p |
| 10:01.57 | mbroeker | i think that the update to perl-5.10 today prevents me from using the kde frontend to debconf |
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| 10:02.49 | rm | enouf, or /dev/mem ) |
| 10:02.56 | enouf | rm: right |
| 10:03.09 | r1Nu | rm yes. |
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| 10:04.29 | enouf | mbroeker: #debian-kde might have some more willing, with software installed? |
| 10:04.55 | mbroeker | thanks enouf i will try it |
| 10:04.55 | apt | mbroeker: gern geschehen |
| 10:05.03 | enouf | ;-) np |
| 10:06.29 | flokuehn | h |
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| 10:09.05 | debian | I want cPanel for debian |
| 10:09.11 | cast | !cpanel |
| 10:09.11 | dpkg | cpanel is, like, a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 10:09.28 | cast | dunno why you want cpanel. |
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| 10:09.55 | cast | !webmin |
| 10:09.55 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 10:09.59 | debian | !free whcp |
| 10:09.59 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. |
| 10:10.07 | cast | ^relevent to cpanel too i imagine |
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| 10:10.27 | debian | cast: It says: "Dont use <Webmin>" |
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| 10:10.43 | cast | indeed. |
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| 10:11.39 | debian | cast: I have webmin, but it is stupid. It uses port 1000 |
| 10:11.57 | cast | indeed. |
| 10:11.59 | cast | how about |
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| 10:12.02 | cast | don't use either! |
| 10:12.08 | cast | and learn how to actually admin a server. |
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| 10:13.00 | EvanR | 'webmin' just sounds wimpy |
| 10:13.15 | debian | All the pros use cPanel |
| 10:13.21 | cast | bullshit. |
| 10:13.35 | EvanR | debian: are you debian? the guy who made debian? :) |
| 10:14.40 | debian | EvanR: No, I am sorry. I am the person that registered the nick debian on freenodoe. |
| 10:14.54 | Bushmills | no, debian is the wannabe troll |
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| 10:15.45 | EvanR | what a phoney |
| 10:16.07 | pacroon | h4x |
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| 10:18.52 | raidghost | What package is including the checkinstall ? |
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| 10:19.27 | cast | checkinstall was shit so it didnt get into etch, or got removed |
| 10:19.33 | cast | stow however rocks, hard. |
| 10:20.41 | EvanR | paco ftw |
| 10:21.03 | raidghost | cast: what? |
| 10:21.13 | raidghost | i guess i need checkinstall to make deb package out of sourcecode |
| 10:21.25 | cast | what what? |
| 10:21.31 | cast | i love non-descript questions |
| 10:21.31 | raidghost | cause dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 10:21.38 | raidghost | dont make .deb file |
| 10:21.42 | rm_ | cast, checkinstall packages is called checkinstall, unsurprisingly |
| 10:21.43 | cast | to answer yours, i'm wearing a black tshirt and black jeans |
| 10:21.48 | rm_ | package * |
| 10:21.59 | cast | rm_: facinating :P |
| 10:22.04 | raidghost | rm_: no checkinstall package found with apt-cache search |
| 10:22.40 | rm_ | http://packages.debian.org/checkinstall |
| 10:22.52 | rm_ | if you use etch, tough luck ._. |
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| 10:25.27 | EvanR | checkinstall is a simple enough program that i would guess that you can install the debian package for it from any branch |
| 10:25.53 | EvanR | or build it from source and use it to checkinstall itself |
| 10:26.32 | cast | my general opinion is to limit your fucking around to /usr/local, |
| 10:27.01 | EvanR | checkinstall should be installed there |
| 10:27.47 | cast | hmm, so it creates a .deb? say i create a irssi deb |
| 10:28.00 | EvanR | you are asking for trouble :) |
| 10:28.08 | EvanR | since irssi is already in the package manager |
| 10:28.11 | cast | but isn't this what checkinstall does :x |
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| 10:28.32 | rm_ | i use checkinstall to install wine |
| 10:28.38 | EvanR | checkinstall also does rpm and slackware |
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| 10:31.06 | enouf | raidghost: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 10:31.35 | mbroeker | enouf, problem solved: its a qt-perl bug |
| 10:31.41 | EvanR | i knew enouf was a debian guy :) |
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| 10:32.22 | enouf | cast: might like this; [06:21:25] <debian> I want something like cPanel for debian, the best one. 06:22:30] <enouf> debian: please don't |
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| 10:32.46 | enouf | mbroeker: sweet - you're sense was correct then |
| 10:33.04 | mbroeker | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481642 |
| 10:33.20 | mbroeker | that's the bug report to a generic qt-perl application |
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| 10:33.30 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:33.41 | mbroeker | and debconf is written in perl too |
| 10:34.38 | debian | How do I know if I have ftp installed? |
| 10:34.53 | streuner | debian: dpkg -l | grep ftp? |
| 10:34.57 | cast | may i suggest vista |
| 10:34.57 | enouf | dpkg -l \*ftp* |
| 10:34.57 | dpkg | No packages found matching \*ftp* |
| 10:35.06 | pacroon | hehe |
| 10:35.07 | enouf | heh |
| 10:35.10 | mbroeker | i changed the source code of Qt.pm and inserted a line print "Here is the bug" and it appeared. but i cannot fix it myself. my perl skills a to bad to handle arrays and objects in that language |
| 10:36.30 | debian | ftpd? |
| 10:36.54 | ma3x | do microwaves or any similar devices interfere with wireless while they're not plugged in power? |
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| 10:37.12 | enouf | cast: oh, i know why you did the time to me - my quotes were from ##linux |
| 10:37.36 | cast | indeed! |
| 10:37.37 | enouf | cast: see, trolls usually like to flood/spam several channels at once ;-) |
| 10:38.34 | enouf | actually, sometimes i kind of like debian and want to help, but most time .. well ;-P |
| 10:39.03 | debian | enouf: I am to stupid for linux? |
| 10:39.07 | enouf | debian: no |
| 10:39.25 | debian | I dont even know the name of the ftp server. |
| 10:39.34 | enouf | debian: not at all - please do this though; "/msg dpkg grounding" |
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| 10:39.47 | cast | wow....ive never been told to kill myself by someone on freenode before D: |
| 10:40.11 | enouf | debian: i, and many others could tell you exact commands, but for most, when that's done, they never learn anything |
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| 10:40.14 | enouf | !fish |
| 10:40.14 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. also the "Friendly Interactive SHell" a non-posix compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 10:40.41 | enouf | cast: 1st time for everything .. enjoy it while you can :-) |
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| 10:41.09 | cast | i shall live on just to spite that person. |
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| 10:42.59 | zd32nv | and then he contracts hep B |
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| 10:43.46 | zd32nv | because, as you've showed him how to fish, you didn't tell him where to fish, and when. |
| 10:44.07 | cast | either way he leaves you alone |
| 10:44.14 | zd32nv | true |
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| 10:44.37 | zd32nv | unless he comes back to this channel and pukes all over you |
| 10:44.45 | debian | thinks enouf is psychic |
| 10:45.21 | jm | wtf |
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| 10:45.58 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:46.48 | Bushmills | oops |
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| 10:47.42 | zd32nv | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.04 | zd32nv | err, brain fart |
| 10:49.10 | Lagbolt | :) password has been changed :) |
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| 10:49.15 | Lagbolt | stupid spacebar |
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| 10:57.47 | debian | 12:59 < Flums> jeg er øksemannen |
| 10:58.05 | pacroon | wtf |
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| 10:58.12 | debian | WARNING: Netmask masks away part of the specified IP in '1.1.1.1-255.255.255.255/0.0.0.0' |
| 10:58.22 | debian | Sorry, putty pastes random stuff |
| 10:58.27 | debian | What is netmask? |
| 10:58.43 | Lagbolt | it is a scary mask that net wears to hide its ugly port hole ;) |
| 10:59.34 | joltcan | :) |
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| 11:03.12 | jelly | debian: are you unable to use google? |
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| 11:03.28 | debian | jelly: Yes, they blocked port 80 |
| 11:03.38 | debian | So now I am setting up a proxy |
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| 11:04.00 | debian | I wish there was a simple proxy I could just aptitutde install |
| 11:04.11 | SlayerXP | debian: there is, squid |
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| 11:04.53 | jelly | debian: so use google from the machine you're setting up proxy on, and find out all about netmasks |
| 11:04.53 | Penix | who on earth blocks http traffic, but allows irc? and ftp I assume... |
| 11:05.16 | jelly | Penix: current troll probability at 70% and rising |
| 11:05.19 | Penix | yeah |
| 11:05.21 | beardy | The one setting up a proxy. |
| 11:05.23 | debian | Penix: I have SSH |
| 11:05.42 | hjb | Hi. I have a .ssh/known_hosts file here which is hashed. I can't remember the name of a tool which allowed to list/delete items of the file. man ssh and sshd didn't help. Anyone knows how the tool is called? |
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| 11:06.13 | debian | My school blocks http traffick, and says they have blocked the internet. |
| 11:06.20 | pacroon | hjb: ssh-keygen maybe |
| 11:06.21 | beardy | hjb: Editor with line wrapping disabled. |
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| 11:06.50 | beardy | (if you don't have one with the new format(?) which is obfuscated) |
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| 11:07.06 | hjb | beardy I have that new format ;) |
| 11:07.16 | beardy | hjb: apropos manage | grep ssh |
| 11:08.11 | Lagbolt | yeah ssh-keygen -H -f foo |
| 11:08.38 | Lagbolt | hmm no wait not that |
| 11:08.51 | hjb | pacroon beardy Lagbolt you're all right. ssh-keygen is the answer :-) Thanks |
| 11:09.00 | beardy | :) |
| 11:09.29 | hjb | ssh-keygen -R hostname in my usecase |
| 11:09.47 | pacroon | ah |
| 11:09.48 | Lagbolt | yup yup |
| 11:10.20 | beardy | Ok, good. |
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| 11:16.55 | cast | any suggestions on a place to get decent debian tshirts/ |
| 11:17.22 | cast | probably going to reduce chances of me getting laid, but at least the IT department will understand why i have contempt for them [being a windows only shop] |
| 11:17.48 | rm_ | cast, |
| 11:17.56 | rm_ | debian website has a list of vendors |
| 11:18.06 | cast | roger |
| 11:18.38 | agnitio | cast: normally I try minimizing the number of events where I _both_ want to were nerdy t-shirts and there's a chance of getting laid... saves a lot of headache |
| 11:18.47 | rm_ | wants "Free software free society" from FSF, but they do not accept my ccard |
| 11:19.23 | cast | hmm, thats a good idea @ fsf tshirts |
| 11:19.41 | cast | forgot what the discount code is though :\ |
| 11:19.45 | pacroon | I minimize my getting-laid chances by haning here, and I love it! |
| 11:19.49 | pacroon | hanging* |
| 11:19.51 | liable | the debian/rules one is good |
| 11:20.10 | rm_ | pacroon, yeah it sucks that ubuntu guys get all the chicks :PPP |
| 11:20.17 | pacroon | haha! |
| 11:21.33 | cast | http://2718.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Article/Index/article/Debian-Comfort-Tee-1652871 thats a nice one |
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| 11:21.47 | pacroon | Looks comfy allright |
| 11:23.07 | Lagbolt | http://2718.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Article/Index/article/KDE-KDE-Thong-754654 |
| 11:23.28 | pacroon | For the guys |
| 11:23.34 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 11:23.41 | cast | i wonder how many they've sold |
| 11:23.54 | pacroon | *Note* Underwear cannot be exchanged. :( |
| 11:23.57 | Matic`Makovec | Err...hey there. Is there a way of solving kernel panic otherwise then reinstall? :o |
| 11:24.06 | Lagbolt | lame they need some better hip huggers for my girl, i cant get her anything with kde on it |
| 11:24.21 | Lagbolt | Matic`Makovec, depends on why it panics :) |
| 11:24.28 | Matic`Makovec | I wonder that myself too |
| 11:24.37 | cast | Lagbolt: see, now you've given yourself away. you're clearly a windows spy! |
| 11:24.37 | Lagbolt | Matic`Makovec, offer more details? |
| 11:24.52 | Lagbolt | cast, cause i dont like kde? :-p |
| 11:24.59 | Matic`Makovec | I should get them, yeah. I was just wondering in general |
| 11:25.14 | Lagbolt | kde seems bloated to me, maybe makes closet windows users happy :-p |
| 11:25.28 | Lagbolt | lol ooo i am gonna get it now |
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| 11:25.38 | cast | runs e16 |
| 11:26.10 | Lagbolt | cast, ooo sleek . .. i like my desktop 18 and over ;) you running jailbate |
| 11:26.11 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 11:26.35 | Penix | !aolify #debian |
| 11:26.35 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in #debian's ear |
| 11:27.00 | cast | Lagbolt: not in australia! |
| 11:27.08 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 11:29.24 | Jedi_Tux | hello there |
| 11:29.55 | cast | we expect you to ask a difficult question, jedi |
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| 11:30.34 | Jedi_Tux | cast: :) maybe dificult to me... |
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| 11:33.35 | awk | hmm, to find out what package this belonds too? /usr/sbin/log2mysql ? |
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| 11:33.48 | awk | apt-cache show /path/to/binary ? |
| 11:33.58 | petemc | dpkg -S |
| 11:33.58 | dpkg | petemc: wish i knew |
| 11:34.31 | awk | petemc: no dpkg, any way by using apt-cache? |
| 11:34.31 | SQLDb | is there a guide, or is it possible, to print to a printer on windows, from a debian box? |
| 11:34.40 | petemc | awk: what do you mean no dpkg? |
| 11:35.02 | Lagbolt | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#printing_to_windows |
| 11:35.12 | Lagbolt | SQLDb, ^^ |
| 11:35.22 | SQLDb | thanks! :) |
| 11:35.22 | apt | SQLDb: de nada |
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| 11:35.41 | awk | petemc its a clarkconnect box, its apt, but doesn't have dpkg only, apt-config/get/cache |
| 11:36.02 | Penix | awk: you're obviously not using debian |
| 11:36.15 | cast | but it has apt so it must be debian! |
| 11:36.17 | cast | disappears |
| 11:36.30 | Lagbolt | SQLDb, google "debian print to shared windows printer" there are many links |
| 11:36.49 | awk | Penix I know it isn't a debian box... all I asked is how can u do a search with apt-cache, is it possible or not... |
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| 11:37.25 | Penix | awk: we gave you the answer to your question. dpkg -S. that works with debian. this is #debian |
| 11:37.46 | Penix | awk: see if your system has the apt-cache man page |
| 11:37.47 | apt_get | where I can find some instrutions about the update-rc.d init entry for debian? want to know the diferences about 1,2,3,4,5,6.... |
| 11:38.20 | Penix | apt_get: man update-rc.d? |
| 11:38.27 | Lagbolt | how do you tell? |
| 11:38.38 | Lagbolt | !tell apt_get about runlevels |
| 11:38.41 | Lagbolt | is that right? |
| 11:38.46 | streuner | yes |
| 11:38.48 | Lagbolt | sweet |
| 11:38.53 | apt_get | ok |
| 11:39.17 | petemc | awk: its not possible, you can do it with apt-file or dpkg |
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| 11:40.03 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 11:40.12 | Penix | hi Dr. uzbek |
| 11:40.12 | uzbek | how can i install a 'ttf' font? |
| 11:40.23 | uzbek | Penix, hi :) |
| 11:40.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | Penix: You beat me to it |
| 11:40.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | lol |
| 11:40.35 | Penix | uzbek: there are numerous howtos available. hit google |
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| 11:41.01 | Penix | some debian specific ones also IIRC |
| 11:41.41 | uzbek | Penix, thanx ;) |
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| 11:42.14 | eleksir | who encounter crashes during usage Iceweasel on x86_64 Lenny? I need statistics |
| 11:42.28 | Penix | eleksir: you're in the wrong place then |
| 11:42.30 | Penix | !poll |
| 11:42.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 11:42.34 | SlimG | I was wondering if there is a firewallsollution for debian with a great webinterface (I'm used to PfSense (FeeBSD)) |
| 11:42.45 | eleksir | why? |
| 11:42.46 | Penix | eleksir: check the appropriate mailing lists and the bts |
| 11:43.08 | eleksir | which ones? |
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| 11:43.29 | apt_get | And about /etc/rcS.d/ ? |
| 11:44.03 | Lagbolt | apt_get, that is run when switching runlevels i believe |
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| 11:45.05 | apt_get | hmmm |
| 11:45.11 | Lagbolt | ? |
| 11:45.12 | eleksir | ok, i'll rebuild Firefox myself if noone cares about crashes |
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| 11:46.00 | Penix | eleksir: you could do that, or ask a specific question and provide some details |
| 11:46.39 | Penix | doing a poll in a channel with 800+ (mostly idle) users won't get you anywhere |
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| 11:49.18 | eleksir | 'k I'll send details later now i got a question do anyone got a crashes while using Iceweasel - if no one have such a problem, than i've got a corrupted system here and should reinstall some debs to fix it |
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| 11:50.37 | Lagbolt | eleksir, that is assuming many in here are running debian 64 and using iceweasel. also there could be reasons that are not corrupted system that cause it to crash. |
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| 11:50.49 | Lagbolt | maybe you have a bad extention, or a messed up plugin |
| 11:50.51 | Pav5088 | Has anyone played with SOGo under Debian? (SOGo = Scalable OpenGroupware... An AJAX calender server which connects to Mozilla Sunbird or Thunderbird/Lightning for an Outlook-like email/calendar solution. |
| 11:50.54 | Lagbolt | who knows |
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| 11:51.09 | eleksir | no plugins |
| 11:51.16 | eleksir | no extensions |
| 11:51.24 | Penix | what does that mean? |
| 11:51.28 | Penix | you can't install them? |
| 11:51.43 | eleksir | no, i did not |
| 11:51.47 | Lagbolt | eleksir, it just crashes? at what point? doing what? when? how long? :) |
| 11:52.21 | eleksir | point - randon crashes on js-containing pages |
| 11:52.21 | rm_ | I have amd64, debian and iceweasel at home |
| 11:52.28 | eleksir | *random |
| 11:52.42 | rm_ | is there anything specific I could try to reproduce a crash (visit a specific website, do something there?) |
| 11:52.50 | Lagbolt | does it happen everytime you go to certain site or just random and never same site twice? |
| 11:52.57 | rm_ | in normal usage, no crashes for me |
| 11:53.16 | eleksir | random, but page must contain js |
| 11:53.28 | Penix | eleksir: then think about it for a second |
| 11:53.38 | Penix | eleksir: does iceweasel depend on any javascript libraries? |
| 11:53.46 | Lagbolt | what if you turn off javascript? does it stop crashing? |
| 11:53.50 | Penix | eleksir: are there any posts to any lists or bug entries related to iceweasel+js? |
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| 11:54.22 | YodaYoda | eleksir: Have you got an example site to test crashing with? |
| 11:54.27 | Penix | eleksir: we don't know what packages you might have installed on your system, especially since you're using testing |
| 11:54.36 | eleksir | you've got a nice idea - i'll use it - i should try disabling js |
| 11:55.21 | eleksir | looks like i've got a special exception :( |
| 11:55.38 | Penix | it'd be because of something you did then |
| 11:55.49 | Penix | something we haven't a clue about |
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| 11:56.19 | eleksir | 'k 3-4 hours later i'll provide ditails |
| 11:56.39 | eleksir | you give me some food for thought |
| 11:58.04 | eleksir | judging on behaviour of your questions i concluding that you have no such problems |
| 11:58.58 | eleksir | that means that i should investigate my case deeper, maybe with debugger :) |
| 11:59.16 | rm_ | check here too - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=iceweasel |
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| 12:01.55 | eleksir | anyway - i'll be back |
| 12:02.04 | eleksir | thanks - i will |
| 12:02.04 | apt | gern geschehen, eleksir |
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| 12:04.36 | zd32nv | any of you running firefox3b? have you reverted back to stable build? |
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| 12:05.48 | the_sniff | Hey, my /etc/issue says Lenny/sid, but my sources.list is stable |
| 12:06.00 | the_sniff | the openssh server installed is from the stable branch |
| 12:06.11 | the_sniff | and i want to upgrade it to fix the openssl vuln |
| 12:06.20 | the_sniff | should i change it to testing to keep it stable? |
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| 12:06.51 | [0_A4Tech | Hi all |
| 12:06.58 | [0_A4Tech | i'm need help |
| 12:06.59 | YodaYoda | the_sniff: Use the etch security repository. |
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| 12:07.16 | the_sniff | YodaYoda: i know. but what branch? i dont wanna break dependencies |
| 12:07.28 | [0_A4Tech | anybody can me help? |
| 12:07.29 | Penix | the_sniff: etch. the stable release |
| 12:07.39 | Penix | [0_A4Tech: not if you don't ask your question |
| 12:08.17 | Penix | the_sniff: and if your system reports itself as lenny/sid, you've probably already broken things |
| 12:08.20 | [0_A4Tech | i'm need install next packeges for php5 json PDO pdo_mysql tidy |
| 12:08.48 | the_sniff | Penix: well i downloaded an etch ISO and installed it, thats what i got. |
| 12:08.56 | the_sniff | i didn't know how that happened |
| 12:08.59 | Penix | the_sniff: from where? |
| 12:09.02 | the_sniff | and tried to reinstall 3 times :p |
| 12:09.03 | [0_A4Tech | i'm not find this use apitude |
| 12:09.06 | fde | [0_A4Tech: What Debian dist you run? |
| 12:09.09 | the_sniff | can't remember, i think debian.org |
| 12:09.22 | [0_A4Tech | fde: ubuntu server 6.06 |
| 12:09.23 | [0_A4Tech | =) |
| 12:09.30 | fde | [0_A4Tech: #ubuntu |
| 12:09.43 | [0_A4Tech | fuck.. |
| 12:09.44 | Penix | the_sniff: if you install from an official etch CD, the security repo is already enabled, all you need to do is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:10.48 | Penix | the_sniff: or for an existing installation, /msg dpkg security |
| 12:11.00 | fde | Penix: Haven't seen you in here in years, welcome back :) |
| 12:11.10 | fde | was fearl and lunitik |
| 12:11.33 | enouf | the_sniff: and sometimes - and ONLY if your sources.list is in order and only etch/stable entriesl dist-upgrade |
| 12:11.37 | the_sniff | Penix: i know that i just dont wanna break stuff its a live server |
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| 12:12.16 | the_sniff | enouf: i commented out the testing after i installed |
| 12:12.17 | enouf | the_sniff: well then forget what i said - you somehow likely have a lenny/sid libc6 |
| 12:12.29 | the_sniff | mm |
| 12:12.33 | enouf | what? |
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| 12:12.56 | enouf | a live server? when? and why would you start with lenny/testing? |
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| 12:13.12 | the_sniff | i didn't! i had one disc from some debian mirror saying etch |
| 12:13.13 | fde | the_sniff: did you install from www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer images? |
| 12:13.16 | the_sniff | and kept getting lenny |
| 12:13.23 | the_sniff | it was 3am and i was tired! :P |
| 12:13.52 | enouf | the_sniff: you can likely just apt-get install libssl=0.9.8-new-version (same for openssl pkg) |
| 12:14.09 | the_sniff | fde: no it was etch for sure |
| 12:14.33 | the_sniff | enouf if i have a libc6 frmo lenny i should probably use testing, am i right? |
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| 12:14.45 | enouf | the_sniff: well .. heh |
| 12:14.47 | fde | the_sniff: What does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 12:15.15 | the_sniff | fde: lenny/sid but i am certain i downloaded an etch version i wasn't alone! lol |
| 12:16.00 | enouf | the_sniff: it depends how much of lenny you have already - upgrading the system to all testing/lenny might have dire consequences |
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| 12:16.55 | the_sniff | enouf it was right after the install so if its lenny it must all be lenny |
| 12:16.58 | the_sniff | but i can't tell why |
| 12:17.03 | the_sniff | and i should use lenny, right? |
| 12:17.31 | the_sniff | and what kind of dire consequesnnese? it seems to be running better then two 'stable' servers we have :p |
| 12:17.39 | enouf | the_sniff: i'm not going to make a recommendation either way at this point |
| 12:18.10 | enouf | the_sniff: and i'm fairly sure you can resolve any openssl issues the ways that have been mentioned already |
| 12:18.13 | the_sniff | i reinstalled to fix a broken libc6 so this can't be lol |
| 12:18.25 | the_sniff | but with testing? |
| 12:19.11 | E-bola | If you run ssh-vulnkey as root, and all the output keys are listed as not blacklisted, are you then safe?' |
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| 12:20.06 | Zoup | how do you set mount options (noatime,etc) on partman recpies ? |
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| 12:22.20 | the_sniff | enouf :s |
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| 12:23.11 | jelly | the_sniff: testing isn't managed by debian security team |
| 12:23.28 | the_sniff | so i need the stable security? |
| 12:23.29 | the_sniff | bah |
| 12:24.07 | enouf | the_sniff: i run lenny/sid and had to upgrade those 2 pkgs |
| 12:24.14 | jelly | the_sniff: no. you don't gain anything by adding stable security repo, because your package versions will be higher. |
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| 12:25.27 | the_sniff | enouf: how did you do it? what was in the sources.list? |
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| 12:26.03 | jelly | the_sniff: "/msg dpkg testing security", but it's handled by a separate team and there's no commitment |
| 12:26.08 | enouf | the_sniff: keyword in jelly-home 's comment is stable (or etch) .. but once you stray from anything not official etch, all bets are off when it comes to security being taken care of the debain security team |
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| 12:26.49 | jelly | enouf: the bets are not off. the security team manages _only_ stable; no exceptions |
| 12:26.59 | enouf | the_sniff: apt-get -u install <pkg1> <pkg2> |
| 12:27.28 | enouf | jelly: read what i said, i think you misunderstood what i meant |
| 12:27.28 | the_sniff | enouf: what exactly did you write? im too tired to try and rephrase my question so you'll have to excuse me |
| 12:27.49 | enouf | jelly: or maybe i said it funky |
| 12:27.49 | liable | why is there a testing security factoid then? |
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| 12:28.19 | yang | Has someone managed to convince talk/talkd to work ? |
| 12:28.24 | the_sniff | all the goodfellas of #debian are here :p |
| 12:28.26 | fde | liable: They were going to do security for testing, I guess that was discontinued at some point though based on discussion here. |
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| 12:28.35 | jelly | liable: people managing that are a separate group from Debian Security Team |
| 12:29.07 | liable | oh |
| 12:29.19 | enouf | jelly: i said exactly what you did, in even more stern terms |
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| 12:33.36 | jelly | enouf: "all bets are off" implies it's not safe to assume anything. That's not correct in this case. It's safe to assume the security team doesn't do anything but stable. |
| 12:33.42 | ^Optimus^ | Does anyone know how I can get screen working that it is displaying the screens opened at the bottom of my screen with colors etc when selected? |
| 12:33.58 | jelly | is a sematics nazi |
| 12:34.08 | azeem | not a grammer one, though |
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| 12:34.37 | jelly | azeem: thats fo lewzahs |
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| 12:34.44 | dondelelcaro | jelly: depends on whether the issue is embargoed or not |
| 12:35.43 | enouf | jelly: "all bets are off" to me means anything can happen, and likely for the worst - so one cannot rely on anything concerning security after that point |
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| 12:36.55 | cast | ^Optimus^: checked the gentoo wiki? |
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| 12:38.26 | xd_ | does someone know any gnome comparison tool, to compare directories, which gives out in which directory there is a difference, and marks the files with differences? I dont want to have MD5 comparison, just timestamp, and size |
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| 12:38.36 | cubex | hello everyone. |
| 12:39.21 | cubex | i'm trying to mount a cifs volume using mount.cifs, i run mount.cifs //192.168.1.1/path /media/tmp, and tmp ends up with 0700 permissions. how can i mount it with 0766 permissions? |
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| 12:41.24 | jelly | dondelelcaro: I'd think an issue being embargoed would be orthogonal to "version in testing is being taken care of as well" |
| 12:41.56 | dondelelcaro | jelly: testing is almost entirely testing security, actually... thought we were talking about unstable. |
| 12:42.17 | dondelelcaro | jelly: since the stable team is the only one who has access to embargoed issues, though, they're the ones who doo the coordination. |
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| 12:43.48 | jelly | well. I saw no libssl0.9.8=0.9.8g-9lenny1 |
| 12:44.21 | dondelelcaro | that's testing security; they probably won't release one, though, since it should propogate rapidly. |
| 12:45.40 | jelly | ... hm, looking at the changelog, I don't see a fix in unstable either :-) |
| 12:45.43 | the_sniff | <enouf> the_sniff: apt-get -u install <pkg1> <pkg2> |
| 12:45.57 | the_sniff | enouf: did u do it from the testing branch? |
| 12:46.33 | jelly | my bad. it's in 0.9.8g-9 |
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| 12:47.30 | enouf | the_sniff: i don't think you can apply what i had to do with your situation |
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| 12:55.13 | Dewi | OT-poll to drive out the quits & joins: has anyone used interix / SUA / SFU ? And made it... work? |
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| 12:56.19 | cast | yes. |
| 12:56.24 | cast | wait, no. |
| 12:56.49 | tim|macbook | maybe |
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| 12:58.27 | Dewi | at the moment I'm enjoying the bug where any +S file with an odd number of bytes over 10, causes things to crash |
| 12:58.33 | sniff` | enouf did u see my messages? |
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| 12:59.31 | enouf | sniff`: i said -> the_sniff: i don't think you can apply what i had to do with your situation. <--did you see mine? |
| 12:59.53 | sniff` | nope i got d/c |
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| 13:00.00 | enouf | ok |
| 13:00.05 | sniff` | see i have a dev server with an intended testing version |
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| 13:00.14 | sniff` | and i upgraded and it didn't upgrade openssh server |
| 13:00.26 | sniff` | and when i manually upgrade it it asks to remove build essentials |
| 13:00.28 | sniff` | why is that? |
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| 13:01.10 | enouf | sniff`: go grab the packages you need and install them manually with dpkg, i guess would be my advice, unless someone else wants to chime in |
| 13:01.35 | enouf | sniff`: have you see the /topic and done /msg dpkg dsa1571 ? |
| 13:01.43 | enouf | seen* |
| 13:01.45 | SethX | re all, i was trying to set up my qmail yesterday, but i gave up, and am using postfix now. one little problem persists: smtp works fine, and i have setup postfix-sql, with some forwarding. when i send a message, it goes out and arrives at the forwarded location, but get bounced when local delivery is attempted |
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| 13:02.26 | SethX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.45 | SethX | thats what i get, and the user "david" exists indeed, because it's even forwarding |
| 13:03.17 | ignotus | hi, I'm trying to generate OTP-s for myself, but I forgot my opie password, what can I do? |
| 13:03.30 | ignotus | opiepasswd -c asks for a password but I don't know what it is |
| 13:03.34 | SethX | the only other thing it's bitching about in mail.log is : warning: do not list domain ***.*** in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains |
| 13:03.35 | ampex2 | would I need acl support enabled to restrict deletion of files for certain users in a certain directory? |
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| 13:04.10 | SethX | any ideas of what could be going on? |
| 13:04.18 | SethX | i checked the alias tables twice. |
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| 13:04.33 | Bushmills | SethX: relay=local? can you ping local? |
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| 13:05.02 | SethX | ah, that is a host? |
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| 13:05.36 | Bushmills | SethX: sorry, used wrong address to check. |
| 13:05.48 | Bushmills | using a really local address, it says the same here |
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| 13:06.02 | sniff` | enouf: but why does it want to remove build essentials? |
| 13:06.10 | sniff` | why wont apt tell me why :( |
| 13:06.17 | SethX | Bushmills: so that is not a problem, aight? |
| 13:06.23 | enouf | sniff`: you've done good job at breaking your package management system |
| 13:07.00 | enouf | sniff`: you can query for more info - /msg dpkg apt howto and /msg dpkg reference |
| 13:07.13 | sniff` | enouf no i didn't, one server is how it was installed and one was upgraded to lenny :s |
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| 13:07.42 | enouf | sniff`: are you running etch or lenny or some frankenstein mix? |
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| 13:08.16 | enouf | you said something about having testing in sources.list and then removing them |
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| 13:08.28 | sniff` | yeah |
| 13:08.29 | enouf | like wtf? |
| 13:08.33 | Bushmills | SethX: one diff here is, mail is delivered to procmail: ... status=sent (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION") |
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| 13:09.00 | enouf | well .. you broke pkg management - now go sulk in the corner, or fix it, or live with it |
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| 13:09.23 | sniff` | i had an etch cd, and it gave me a lenny install (dunno why! two of us couldn't say why lol) and i commented the "testing" and used stable but nothing big was installed, mtop tops |
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| 13:09.54 | SethX | Bushmills: i set local a localhost, and i still get the same problem |
| 13:10.13 | enouf | or attempt to dist-upgrade the entire system to lenny - if you never had unstable/sid in your sources.list = and await any possible "dire" consequences - but you already have security issues from you past bad choices |
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| 13:10.30 | Dewi | sniff`: that would be an etch CD from when etch was testing |
| 13:10.42 | SethX | May 19 15:09:15 srv postfix/local[6141]: 866F932691B: to=<asdasd@domain.ext>, relay=local, delay=11, delays=11/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "asdasd") |
| 13:10.48 | SethX | thats my exact log line |
| 13:10.52 | Dewi | sniff`: there was a time, about 18 months ago, when "etch CDs" were actually testing CDs |
| 13:10.54 | sniff` | Dewi really? damn how did i get that kind of an ISO? |
| 13:11.00 | sniff` | Dewi i know that |
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| 13:11.05 | Bushmills | SethX: virtual mail domains/recipients configured? |
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| 13:11.07 | Dewi | sniff`: and if you weren't careful about monitoring your apt sources |
| 13:11.09 | sniff` | dbut i downloaded it at the time i was on the farm |
| 13:11.13 | sniff` | Dewi |
| 13:11.14 | Dewi | sniff`: it would end up upgrading you |
| 13:11.20 | sniff` | blah |
| 13:11.43 | enouf | Dewi: i highly donbt even an etch/testing CD would place 'testing' lines in sources.list - maybe i'm mistaken though |
| 13:11.50 | Dewi | enouf: they really did |
| 13:11.55 | SethX | well, the user is in the sql database, and it has two aliases: one to itself, and one to a gmail account. |
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| 13:12.02 | Dewi | enouf: nobody noticed the problem of course, until the day etch was actually released |
| 13:12.04 | SethX | and the mail does arrive on the gmail account. |
| 13:12.05 | enouf | hrm .. one sec - i can check here actually |
| 13:12.13 | SethX | it's just not delivered locally. |
| 13:12.34 | Dewi | enouf: and personally, the first thing I do on a new install is customise my sources, so it never caught me out |
| 13:12.55 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1022721 |
| 13:13.15 | enouf | well, that Etch/Testing Installation certainly did not |
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| 13:13.55 | enouf | the date of install was ~ 11/2006 .. so ~5 months prior to release, but after Frozen, so rc1 or so |
| 13:14.09 | Dewi | enouf: sounds about right |
| 13:14.10 | SethX | ill try resetting the aliases, once again. |
| 13:14.58 | Dewi | enouf: except... who knows, maybe I am thinking of sarge? |
| 13:15.10 | Dewi | enouf: I *am* getting old alarmingly fast after all |
| 13:15.22 | enouf | perhaps .. hehe, me too ... |
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| 13:15.49 | Dewi | actually the more I think about this |
| 13:15.57 | Dewi | it was the *release* sarge |
| 13:16.00 | Dewi | and it said 'stable' |
| 13:16.06 | Dewi | not an etch release that said 'testing' |
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| 13:16.50 | Dewi | so for the first little while after etch shipped, we had people spontaneously getting halfway into a stable/sarge -> stable/etch upgrade |
| 13:17.00 | Dewi | it wasn't testing at all |
| 13:17.48 | Dewi | I think it might have been particularly bad for the people trying to use a 'sarge' install CD after etch shipped, because even the apt bootstrap step got confused |
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| 13:18.40 | enouf | Dewi: well, IINM, that was well known and most were advised at that time to make their preferences known by the 'mnemonic/moniker' used in sources.list as to how to control what the outcome would be - but sure, many didn't realize |
| 13:19.01 | SethX | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/d116414a3 |
| 13:19.09 | SethX | that's with no aliases at all |
| 13:19.18 | enouf | oh .. perhaps .. sure - there were a bunch of issues Dewi |
| 13:19.22 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, it was okay for us lurkers, we just had people stumbling in with installs already frankenstein'd |
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| 13:19.31 | enouf | yeah |
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| 13:19.48 | Dewi | sniff`: so actually no, I don't know what your CD is doing |
| 13:19.56 | Dewi | grins |
| 13:19.59 | enouf | haha |
| 13:20.03 | Bushmills | seth, did you read "o not list domain addplus.eu in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains" ? |
| 13:20.45 | SethX | well, what should i put in mydestination then? |
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| 13:21.02 | Bushmills | the real name. i.e. the name with local users |
| 13:21.04 | sniff` | Dewi: it was a clean cd |
| 13:21.08 | sniff` | how could that be :e |
| 13:21.12 | sniff` | clean box* |
| 13:21.20 | enouf | sniff`: when was the CD d/l ? |
| 13:21.24 | sniff` | yeah |
| 13:21.26 | SethX | Bushmills: so instead of domain.com, srv.domain.com ? |
| 13:21.27 | sniff` | oh |
| 13:21.29 | SethX | for instance? |
| 13:21.33 | sniff` | hmm like half a year aho |
| 13:21.33 | Bushmills | no need to use virtual recipients for a domain which has real recipients, as accounts |
| 13:21.34 | sniff` | ago |
| 13:21.41 | enouf | ... |
| 13:21.49 | SethX | no real recipients here |
| 13:21.54 | sniff` | enouf what? |
| 13:22.09 | enouf | sniff`: still , maybe we were at 4.0r2 then? |
| 13:22.19 | SethX | but i think i understood the problem then. |
| 13:22.22 | SethX | let me fix that |
| 13:22.28 | Bushmills | SethX: then you're fine. because you wondered by mail doesn't get delivered to local user |
| 13:22.35 | enouf | that's NOT testing mate - but somehow, you likely just d/l the wrong cd |
| 13:22.35 | sniff` | enouf: i don't follow |
| 13:22.48 | Bushmills | SethX: but, no local users -> no problem |
| 13:23.01 | tdn | While installing Debian from the netinst cd, it could not find my ethernet driver for a HC105i card. This is an HP Proliant 160 DL. Does anyone know how to get this driver? I am pretty sure that this is a tg3 card, but selecting this driver does not work. |
| 13:23.09 | sniff` | man i was with another person, so, yeah if i was alone you could say the late hour drove me nuts |
| 13:23.17 | sniff` | but two people imagining the wrong CD ?:x |
| 13:23.18 | SethX | uhm, the user which i'm sending emails to isnt a local user. |
| 13:23.26 | Dewi | sniff`: you just said it was late |
| 13:23.30 | Dewi | sniff`: I can easily imagine that |
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| 13:23.40 | Dewi | sniff`: I've been to university... |
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| 13:23.42 | sd_ | tdn: sounds like the pci id didnt make it to the debian kernel yet |
| 13:23.44 | Bushmills | SethX: your mailer seems to think that he is |
| 13:24.01 | enouf | sniff`: do you have the CD handy? |
| 13:24.10 | tdn | sd_, ok. Then what do I do. Now I have installed from full cd 1 and connected to the machine via a serial console. |
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| 13:24.16 | sd_ | tdn: i tend to use knoppix/ubuntu-alternative as install source in such cases |
| 13:24.19 | SethX | the mailer is gay. wait, let me test now. |
| 13:24.33 | chops | !gay |
| 13:24.33 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 13:24.47 | Dewi | chops: he might mean an actually gay mailer |
| 13:24.58 | sd_ | tdn: if you can get kernel srcs to there build newer kernel :) |
| 13:24.59 | Dewi | chops: for example I put kind of camp phrases into the HELO message |
| 13:25.05 | konadr | SethX, use ghey |
| 13:25.08 | Dewi | chops: why HELO there |
| 13:25.12 | chops | Dewi: HELO Sailor? |
| 13:25.22 | Dewi | chops: precisely |
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| 13:25.45 | enouf | sniff`: actually just grep "Detected CD" /var/log/installer/syslog |
| 13:25.53 | SethX | the mailer is ghey. and now it works. |
| 13:25.53 | Dewi | chops: thanks for recovering the better punchline to my own joke |
| 13:25.55 | SethX | as it should |
| 13:25.57 | SethX | cool |
| 13:26.05 | enouf | 1:00 cdrom-detect: Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20061110)' Nov 12 17:41:45 cdrom-detect: Detected CD with 'testing' (etch) distribution |
| 13:26.25 | Dewi | sniff`: snapshot binary-1 20061110 ? |
| 13:26.34 | chops | Dewi: Heh |
| 13:26.42 | Dewi | oh, enough pasted that |
| 13:26.46 | enouf | Dewi: that's mine ;-) |
| 13:26.48 | Dewi | blinks |
| 13:26.55 | Dewi | hey wow, a typo from NOT using tab complete |
| 13:27.03 | Dewi | (and also being bad at typing) |
| 13:27.39 | haxi | do anyone know how do I load linux-uvc module? I mean, I compiled src from svn but idk what to do now. |
| 13:28.09 | Bushmills | another problem which could have been solved much quicker by simply reading the warnings or error messages ... |
| 13:28.29 | keith4 | pff. who reads those? |
| 13:29.04 | Bushmills | yeah, makes me wonder |
| 13:29.15 | liable | haxi: modprobe uvcvideo |
| 13:29.19 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 13:29.19 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 13:29.37 | efaistos_ | did someone alerady use some of the products there with debian http://www.g-technology.com ? |
| 13:29.51 | Bushmills | right. looking at logs is for weenies.. let's to it the hard way and ask :) |
| 13:29.56 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 13:29.56 | liable | haxi: surely theres an install file in the source? |
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| 13:30.00 | enouf | liable: maybe depmod -a prior? |
| 13:30.38 | liable | enouf: yep, may be neccessary if the makefile doesnt do it |
| 13:30.57 | haxi | liable: FATAL: Module uvcvideo not found. |
| 13:30.58 | haxi | mh |
| 13:31.22 | haxi | dynctrl.txt uvc_compat.h uvc_driver.o uvc_queue.o uvc_v4l2.o uvcvideo.mod.c version.h Makefile uvc_ctrl.c uvc_isight.c uvc_status.c uvc_video.c uvcvideo.mod.o Module.symvers uvc_ctrl.o uvc_isight.o uvc_status.o uvcvideo.h uvc_video.o svn-version.sh uvc_driver.c uvc_queue.c uvc_v4l2.c uvcvideo.ko uvcvideo.o |
| 13:31.27 | enouf | well where is it? does modprobe know about it? |
| 13:31.32 | enouf | omg |
| 13:31.39 | liable | haxi: did you do make install? |
| 13:31.42 | Lagbolt | did you do make install? |
| 13:31.43 | haxi | yep |
| 13:32.04 | Lagbolt | is it in /lib/modules/2.whatever.whatever/somewhere in here |
| 13:32.18 | enouf | is it called uvc_video? |
| 13:32.23 | Lagbolt | uvcvideo |
| 13:32.27 | enouf | ok |
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| 13:32.35 | enouf | modprobe -l |
| 13:32.41 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep uvc |
| 13:32.51 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep uvcvideo even |
| 13:32.52 | sniff` | enouf: Jul 18 22:34:34 cdrom-detect: Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 "Etch" - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20070407-11:55' |
| 13:32.55 | zinx | where's the .ko there? |
| 13:32.58 | enouf | run depmod -a |
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| 13:33.29 | haxi | enouf: modprobe -l | grep uvc gives nothing. |
| 13:33.30 | sniff` | Dewi, enouf: see? it was etch |
| 13:34.02 | haxi | mh, enouf, after a depmod -a, modprobe -l | grep uvc gives me /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/usb/media/uvcvideo.ko |
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| 13:34.31 | enouf | sniff`: so how did you end up wiht testing in /etc/apt/sources.list ? unless you did a businesscard.iso? or ran the installer with =testing options? |
| 13:34.49 | sniff` | whats businesscardiso/ |
| 13:34.50 | sniff` | ? |
| 13:34.55 | sniff` | and i just let the installer auto run |
| 13:35.02 | sniff` | i did nothing and i swear lol |
| 13:35.05 | Lagbolt | haxi, yeah so it should work |
| 13:35.12 | sniff` | i really honesty don't know how this happens |
| 13:35.14 | sniff` | happened |
| 13:35.16 | enouf | haxi: bingo, now modprobe uvcvideo |
| 13:36.17 | brusqe | evening all. Debian seems to be giving me grief while trying to get a raid1 array set up going. It doesn't even get to GRUB, it just hangs. Any idea? Ie, turn off hardware raid and use software raid instead? |
| 13:36.19 | enouf | sniff`: someone _somewhere_ added testing to your sources.list if it was ever in fact there |
| 13:36.21 | haxi | mh, damn, webcam still not working.. Error (camorama): Could not connect video device (/dev/video0). Please check connection. |
| 13:36.45 | enouf | haxi: user part of video and plugdev groups? |
| 13:36.55 | enouf | haxi: er .. |
| 13:36.55 | sniff` | enouf are you saying it was on the system before the install? |
| 13:37.01 | haxi | enouf: mh, what? :P |
| 13:37.08 | enouf | haxi: try as root |
| 13:37.20 | enouf | sniff`: no |
| 13:37.23 | Lagbolt | haxi, what are you using to connect to the device? |
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| 13:37.43 | enouf | sniff`: look man, what do you want me to do, rub my balls and make crystals? |
| 13:37.49 | enouf | O_o |
| 13:37.49 | sniff` | enouf: so? no one touched the server at the time? |
| 13:37.54 | brusqe | I understand the idea of setting raid up, but I get lost at the MBR part. |
| 13:37.55 | sniff` | lol im trying to make sense out of it |
| 13:37.56 | haxi | Lagbolt: it's an "integrated" webcam, on my laptop |
| 13:37.57 | sniff` | and i can't |
| 13:37.59 | sniff` | so im asking |
| 13:38.05 | enouf | sniff`: and i can? lmao |
| 13:38.07 | sniff` | what does ur balls have to do with that:o |
| 13:38.09 | Lagbolt | haxi, i know, i mean software |
| 13:38.10 | sniff` | maybe |
| 13:38.11 | haxi | as root, camora still gives me the error, and Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 13:38.15 | enouf | sniff`: nm that .. |
| 13:38.17 | enouf | :-) |
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| 13:38.21 | Lagbolt | haxi, is it HP? |
| 13:38.25 | haxi | Lagbolt: yes it is |
| 13:38.26 | sniff` | afaik you have more debian experience than me |
| 13:38.27 | Bushmills | brusqe: hardware raid looks like a single drive to linux |
| 13:38.28 | haxi | DV6500df |
| 13:38.30 | haxi | ef* |
| 13:38.34 | Lagbolt | i have a dv2120 |
| 13:38.45 | Lagbolt | what software are you using to talk to cam? |
| 13:38.46 | Bushmills | brusqe: so i suppose you better look at the controller bios |
| 13:38.51 | enouf | sniff`: ok, here's my official answer - NFC .. ok? ;-) |
| 13:39.01 | brusqe | Bushmills, my BIOS sets it up as one drive, but then debian installer tells me there are two drives (both at 0,0,0,0) |
| 13:39.05 | haxi | Lagbolt: called camorama |
| 13:39.17 | Lagbolt | haxi, i use the uvc module with lenny and it works well but it has to be v4l2 |
| 13:39.21 | enouf | !tell sniff`-about nfc |
| 13:39.22 | Lagbolt | is camorama v4l2? |
| 13:39.23 | brusqe | it should just tell me there is one though, no? |
| 13:39.27 | enouf | !tell sniff` -about nfc |
| 13:39.35 | Bushmills | actually, depends a bit *what* hardware raid. i am thinking of i2o scsi controller... not sure about those pseudo-raid ide controllers. |
| 13:39.53 | sniff` | national football conference? :p |
| 13:40.06 | Lagbolt | haxi, looks like from website camorama is v4l not v4l2 |
| 13:40.14 | brusqe | it's an nvidia based one, on a sun box. Point is, debian should only see one drive, not two, yeah? |
| 13:40.15 | sep | Bushmills, sounds like some sort of cheapraid. find a linux kernel that support it. or just forget about the bios raid and use linux's software raid instead probably better performance and better docs |
| 13:40.21 | Lagbolt | try cam with skype or kopete, they should both work |
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| 13:40.31 | Lagbolt | or some other v4l2 |
| 13:40.40 | haxi | mh ok |
| 13:40.43 | Bushmills | sep, s/Bushmills/brusque/ |
| 13:41.00 | enouf | brusqe: fakeraid? |
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| 13:41.47 | brusqe | sep, whats invloved with using the software raid? Isn't that tremoundous amount of work? |
| 13:41.57 | enouf | no |
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| 13:42.02 | enouf | mdadm |
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| 13:42.16 | brusqe | multi-disk-admin or so. Thats where i get lost. |
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| 13:42.29 | brusqe | well, the point i get lost is what happens when a disk dies |
| 13:42.37 | enouf | sun hardware though, i know nothing about |
| 13:43.36 | enouf | mdadm should be cake for that .. so long as it's setup correctly .. hotswap ability depends disks + controllers + kernel support |
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| 13:43.58 | sniff` | whats {a} in aptitudes list of packages? |
| 13:44.04 | zyx386 | hi |
| 13:44.40 | brusqe | not even hot swap, i don't mind i turn off the box to replace the drive. Just that if the drives with the MBR on it goes down, will it be able to come back up? |
| 13:44.43 | enouf | brusqe: linux-ata.org talks about / lists sata controller hotswap abilities per disk module |
| 13:45.19 | keith4 | brusqe: you can have MBRs on multiple disks |
| 13:45.24 | enouf | need to run degraded and resync/rebuild - straightforward |
| 13:45.25 | zyx386 | i nstall fluxbox with xdm , but if run #startfluxbox, have this error: couldn't connect to Xserver |
| 13:45.29 | Lagbolt | brusqe, yeah what keith4 said |
| 13:45.35 | enouf | that too |
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| 13:45.40 | Bushmills | brusqe: i kept boot floppies for that case, booting into the same kernel and system, as alternative. |
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| 13:45.51 | keith4 | I have a few boxes with software raid 1 of /boot, and grub installed on both disks, configured to try one disk, then the other |
| 13:45.58 | Lagbolt | zyx386, what happens if you just do "startx" |
| 13:46.07 | brusqe | okay, pretty sure you just lost me :\ |
| 13:46.10 | brusqe | rereads |
| 13:46.22 | sniff` | lol i wsa just gonna ask someone to do a /action |
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| 13:47.01 | Lagbolt | keith4, by try one then the other is that bios boot order or do you have grub looking to one first? then the other? |
| 13:47.08 | keith4 | Lagbolt: both |
| 13:47.17 | keith4 | it's somewhere in here, I think: http://howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
| 13:47.26 | Lagbolt | sweet |
| 13:47.41 | brusqe | reads |
| 13:48.10 | keith4 | turns out there's a grub conf called "fallback" |
| 13:48.20 | keith4 | so, you can put "fallback 1" under "default 0" |
| 13:48.57 | keith4 | obviously, if the disk really goes, you won't even get to grub... but in the case of a messed up /boot, grub will try the mirror'd /boot on the other disk |
| 13:49.00 | zyx386 | Lagbolt, X: cannot statt /stc/X11/X no such file or directory |
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| 13:49.07 | enouf | zyx386: could do update-alternatives --config x-<tab><tab> and set fluxbox as default for x-window-manager/x-session-manager |
| 13:49.30 | enouf | zyx386: could dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 13:50.22 | enouf | zyx386: could setup an ~/.xsession file |
| 13:50.28 | enouf | !xsession |
| 13:50.28 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 13:50.51 | zyx386 | enouf, thanx that not my problem, is another problem |
| 13:50.55 | Bushmills | zyx386: with xdm, you probably don't want to run "#startfluxbox" - or you don't need xdm if you start x manually, and only then run startfluxbox. and, what is /stc/...? |
| 13:51.22 | zyx386 | Bushmills, i will not gnome or kde |
| 13:51.28 | zyx386 | just fluxbox |
| 13:51.40 | Bushmills | did i say anything about gnome or kde? |
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| 13:51.43 | Lagbolt | lol yeah but you stilll installed xdm. . . . |
| 13:52.08 | Lagbolt | zyx386, does xdm come up? |
| 13:52.09 | zyx386 | Lagbolt, i remove it |
| 13:52.14 | Lagbolt | oh |
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| 13:52.32 | Lagbolt | but earlier you said you installed fluxbox and xdm? |
| 13:52.38 | Lagbolt | confusing |
| 13:52.54 | fde | Purely out of curiosity, is there a counter or such that keeps track of DD numbers? Is it possible to estimate exactly how many developers are involved in Debian directly? |
| 13:53.05 | Bushmills | there is no /stc/... in debian. what distribution are you running? |
| 13:53.09 | enouf | zyx386: maybe you need the xauth pkg |
| 13:53.18 | dondelelcaro | fde: we know exactly how many developers there are, but I assume you mean maintainers in addition to DDs |
| 13:53.39 | fde | dondelelcaro: Both, but where can I see figures for the former? |
| 13:53.42 | enouf | Bushmills: typo for /etc/ :-) but i know you want him to say it ;-) |
| 13:53.54 | fde | dondelelcaro: I suppose the latter would be much more difficult to track. |
| 13:53.55 | dondelelcaro | fde: debian.org/vote has them |
| 13:54.15 | Bushmills | enouf: ah. no, actually i thought of /src/ , didn't make the link to /etc |
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| 13:54.29 | enouf | ahh ... :-P |
| 13:54.49 | dondelelcaro | fde: the latter you can kind of get by /msg dpkg dstats |
| 13:54.52 | enouf | Bushmills: the ../X11/X was the giveaway :-) |
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| 13:55.16 | sep | fde, then you can add all that do translations, make grahfics, submit bugs, help out on irc, and the mailinglists. not all contributers are actual DD's |
| 13:55.44 | Quintin | I want to offer network backup to clients who are running Windows XP and Vista... any suggestions what software to use? |
| 13:55.47 | Bushmills | enouf: yeah. i notice i tend to take things a bit ... literal .. sometimes. bad experience with second guessing people, and then hearing that is not what they said (or meant) |
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| 13:56.18 | sep | Quintin, backuppc |
| 13:56.22 | sep | if you want to backup data only |
| 13:56.24 | fde | sep: Oh I know... many people maintaining packages are only contributing via sponsors too... I just wanted a rough estimate :) |
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| 13:56.26 | keith4 | Quintin: http://restore-backup.com/ or backuppc |
| 13:56.31 | enouf | Bushmills: dude - we all do it ;-) atleast I do |
| 13:57.00 | fde | dondelelcaro: I can't seem to find a vote that specifically discusses such numbers? |
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| 13:57.09 | Quintin | keith4: w'oh... that's about what I've been looking for maybe... a big fancy pants "enterprise" blah blah that's open source.. have you used this before? |
| 13:57.17 | enouf | Bushmills: typing is a very primitive formm of communication ;-) |
| 13:57.28 | keith4 | Quintin: yah, it's pretty slick |
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| 13:57.35 | fde | dondelelcaro: haha... as soon as I say that, I click one that does... appreciated :) |
| 13:57.52 | Bushmills | but has the advantage of providing a record of what was actually said (typed) |
| 13:57.56 | keith4 | Quintin: it doesn't really do anything that you couldn't do with cron and bash scripts, but it has a pretty web interface, which people seem to like |
| 13:58.11 | Quintin | keith4: I don't see windows software on the website.. |
| 13:58.18 | Bushmills | know the "know i never said that" situations in verbal com? |
| 13:58.21 | Bushmills | no |
| 13:58.31 | haxi | Lagbolt: ouch, thanks a lot :D |
| 13:58.39 | keith4 | Quintin: nope, you won't. It pulls backups from client machines |
| 13:58.49 | sep | Quintin, with backuppc you do the backups using scripts and textfile configs. but when your user wants a restore he can login on a fancy webpage and get his file any way he want it. |
| 13:58.51 | Lagbolt | haxi, ??? cam? works? |
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| 13:59.08 | haxi | Yep, on kopete :D |
| 13:59.10 | enouf | Bushmills: true - but who gives a crap what was said :-P we all die anyway ;-) |
| 13:59.15 | sep | it keep the admin happy (tinker in text files) and the user happy. (can still be a pointy clickty moneky) |
| 13:59.17 | Quintin | keith4: have you used both RESTORE and backuppc? |
| 13:59.24 | Lagbolt | yeah . . . thought so. kinda bummer it is only v4l2 |
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| 13:59.42 | Ramattack | Hi! |
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| 13:59.55 | Lagbolt | HI! Ramattack |
| 13:59.55 | keith4 | Quintin: I haven't. I didn't want to take the time to write out conf files for backuppc |
| 13:59.55 | sep | it's just great and i use backuppc on about 30ish servers daily. ~3-4TB of data linux and windows |
| 14:00.07 | Quintin | keith4: How do you backup windows machines with RESTORE? |
| 14:00.10 | keith4 | Quintin: it seemed to me that backuppc was probably more flexible, but much more complicated |
| 14:00.13 | Ramattack | I'm running gnome and gdm and don't see where should I enable tcp connections for my x server to bring X to it of a remote machine |
| 14:00.21 | Ramattack | where should be set that? |
| 14:00.38 | haxi | Lagbolt: is there any program witch allow me to take vids etc? |
| 14:00.39 | keith4 | xdmcp? |
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| 14:00.46 | DarkSkull | Hello.. |
| 14:00.48 | Quintin | sep: ORLY... hmm. Do you think it would work for backing up over a 1mbit internet connection? |
| 14:00.48 | DarkSkull | :) |
| 14:00.58 | Lagbolt | haxi, hmm i cant remember. there was some prog that people were using to catch stills |
| 14:01.02 | DarkSkull | how r you.. people? |
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| 14:01.08 | Lagbolt | let me take a gander, not on my laptop tho now |
| 14:01.09 | fde | Lagbolt: Why? Flash 10 will hopefully be supporting V4L2 ... I'm not aware of anything else that depends on v1? They are officially supporting Ubuntu too, so it should work well with Debian (at least Sid) |
| 14:01.20 | DarkSkull | ¿Algún puto español aquÃ.. ? |
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| 14:01.23 | sep | Quintin, yes it uses rsync so that should be ok. will take the time it takes to transfer tho. (ofcourse) |
| 14:01.32 | sep | well it CAN use rsync |
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| 14:01.35 | sep | and you should |
| 14:01.37 | Ramattack | found one top of thousands now :) |
| 14:01.38 | Bushmills | enouf: i do. can remove doubts whether my memory fails me. |
| 14:01.39 | DarkSkull | ¿Hay algún español aquÃ.. ? XD |
| 14:01.39 | Ramattack | let's try |
| 14:01.42 | Ramattack | again :) |
| 14:01.42 | keith4 | !debian-es |
| 14:01.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:01.55 | DarkSkull | Me cago en todas vuestras putas madres.... |
| 14:02.01 | DarkSkull | ¿algún español aquÃ.. ? |
| 14:02.21 | Lagbolt | fde, cause the cam wont work with v4l software :) so great for new v4l2 but not for older apps , thats all |
| 14:02.34 | Quintin | sep: and users have a web interface for accessing their files? |
| 14:02.45 | keith4 | yah, with both packages |
| 14:03.00 | keith4 | Quintin: I think there's a forum discussing the differences between backuppc and RESTORE |
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| 14:03.24 | Quintin | My goal is to provide a backup service to my clients who are using Windows XP / Vista. (and also to make some money of course) |
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| 14:03.48 | sep | Quintin, yes |
| 14:03.49 | enouf | Bushmills: i've had my share of attempts at "he said, she said" confrontations and always ends up being a big fucken waste of both effort and time .. but, that's just my take, and opinion |
| 14:03.53 | opetznick | hi - how i can change the display output of `ls -l` date? |
| 14:03.57 | Quintin | keith4: how would getting backups over the internet work? Would I need a VPN ? |
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| 14:04.51 | Lagbolt | haxi, http://www.quickcamteam.net/software/linux/v4l2-software |
| 14:04.52 | keith4 | Quintin: any of these tools are just built on top of other tools, like rsync or smbclient, etc. |
| 14:05.15 | haxi | Lagbolt: mh yeah, I was just looking for it ! :D |
| 14:05.21 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 14:05.30 | sep | Quintin, this have been discussed on the mailinglists |
| 14:05.35 | Bushmills | enouf: yes. i consider that a waste of time too. so there is less time wasted if you can just point to a log. |
| 14:06.02 | Ivan_Shih2 | Hi there! |
| 14:06.02 | Ivan_Shih2 | is there any ARP firewall in Linux? |
| 14:06.06 | haxi | ouch fswebcam looks.. nice :D |
| 14:06.10 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: yes |
| 14:06.15 | Lagbolt | haxi, yeah i was eyeing that one |
| 14:06.35 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: can filter either with iptables plus module, or for "pure" arp, look at arptables |
| 14:06.39 | haxi | :d |
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| 14:07.20 | Quintin | sep: Have you used RESTORE? |
| 14:07.48 | keith4 | Quintin: they're both packaged. bring up a test box and try them |
| 14:08.25 | Ivan_Shih2 | Bushmills: can I just use arp command to set it up? |
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| 14:08.50 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: no. you want the arptables command, from the arptables package |
| 14:08.51 | DaBonBon | i'm trying to learn python, and i want to write a frontend for apt in pyhton. is there any library or so? |
| 14:09.05 | ampex2 | DaBonBon: why does apt need a front end? |
| 14:09.50 | DaBonBon | ampex2: it doesn't. i just want to learn |
| 14:09.51 | sniff` | haha dpkg rocks -> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_holes.png |
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| 14:09.58 | DaBonBon | ampex2: i've got to start somewhere |
| 14:10.06 | Bushmills | ampex2: does it? |
| 14:10.11 | Quintin | keith4: in what capacity do you use RESTORE? |
| 14:10.24 | DaBonBon | but is there any library for interfacing python and apt? |
| 14:10.32 | hoxu | sniff`, don't link to the images, that misses the tooltip on xkcd comics. |
| 14:10.38 | DaBonBon | sniff`: did you understand the gentoo, fedora, and olpc jokes in it? i didn't :-/ |
| 14:10.42 | Bushmills | ampex2: oh. sry. mistook your q as a channel q |
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| 14:11.13 | sniff` | hoxu yeah i was just told that lol |
| 14:11.33 | sniff` | DaBonBon: i didn't think it was specifically those, but i guess slackware users like lord of the rings or something lol |
| 14:11.53 | DaBonBon | and what about fedora? :-s |
| 14:12.16 | sniff` | maybe an old vuln, i dunno but the "Stern voice" killed me |
| 14:12.52 | DaBonBon | ya |
| 14:12.58 | enouf | Bushmills: proving myself to some sort 'mediator' is not and has never been high on my agenda for any reason - if a person shall accuse, then they need to show proof, and that means digging through logs, and cutting out snippets, supplying context, and then making their point - all a big waste of effort and with much frustration adn consternation IMHO .. as i say, we all die |
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| 14:13.35 | enouf | Bushmills: and as far as IRL, if i'm wasting my time worrying about people talking behind my back, then i'm not living |
| 14:13.59 | enouf | and i'm hanging around and befriending the wrong people |
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| 14:15.18 | DaBonBon | how do ubuntu apps like gdebi "interface" apt and python? i want to learn python, and i'm thikning of writing a frontend for apt. |
| 14:15.26 | DaBonBon | i am sorry, i asked it in the wrong channel! |
| 14:16.00 | enouf | (sorry about the OT and tangent there folks, i even forget how i got way over there. lmao) |
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| 14:16.35 | Eulex | DaBonBon, python-apt - Python interface to libapt-pkg ? |
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| 14:17.11 | DaBonBon | Eulex: that's what i was thinking, too |
| 14:17.17 | DaBonBon | Eulex: but the project is pretty old |
| 14:17.30 | liable | so make it newer ;) |
| 14:17.37 | tim|macbook | DaBonBon: if you find out, I'd love to hear the answer |
| 14:17.37 | jelly | DaBonBon: it could just mean it works well |
| 14:17.47 | Ivan_Shih2 | Bushmills: i have installed arptables. how can i set up a simple ARP firewall? |
| 14:18.02 | Eulex | DaBonBon, perhaps it just runs apt-get commands? |
| 14:18.22 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: arptables mimicks iptables sysntax to some extend. and there is a man page too |
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| 14:18.56 | Bushmills | ehm .. extent |
| 14:19.00 | DaBonBon | tim|macbook: yes, it uses python-apt |
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| 14:19.01 | Eulex | DaBonBon, oh wait, but it does use python-apt? |
| 14:19.07 | anddam | hello |
| 14:19.11 | DaBonBon | Eulex: yes, i just found that it does |
| 14:19.35 | Eulex | DaBonBon, I'd assume that python-apt includes documentation on how to use it. go read it? :) |
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| 14:20.11 | DaBonBon | Eulex: yes, i'll do that now. i just wanted to know which library |
| 14:20.40 | Ivan_Shih2 | Bushmills: can i use it to bind the gateway MAC with its IP? |
| 14:20.55 | mick_home | is there a way to detect what dhcpd servers are on a network? |
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| 14:21.14 | mick_home | it seems like someone put another dhcp server on my network |
| 14:21.15 | petemc | mick_home: send out a dhcp broadcast |
| 14:21.19 | mick_home | want to know it's ip |
| 14:21.38 | mick_home | dhclient? |
| 14:21.56 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: general rule for setting up: 1. decide how the firewall should work, 2. put that into corresponding rules. |
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| 14:22.49 | keith4 | can anyone recommend a web-based knowledge base that is packaged, preferably in etch? |
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| 14:23.58 | mick_home | petemc: thanks |
| 14:24.05 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: i have no idea what you mean with "bind the gateway MAC with its IP" |
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| 14:25.31 | Bushmills | actually, i am not sure anymore that you mean the same with "firewall" as i do. |
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| 14:25.40 | goofy03 | hi |
| 14:25.40 | apt | hola |
| 14:25.52 | Bushmills | what is a firewall, or in this case an arp firewall, supposed to do? |
| 14:26.31 | goofy03 | ne1 have successfully install the proprietary nvidia drivers with the new kernel 2.66.25 package ? |
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| 14:26.35 | Ivan_Shih2 | Bushmills: i mean the ARP virus usually change the gateway's MAC address to a fake one. |
| 14:27.05 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: you want to allow package with valid MAC addresses only? |
| 14:27.31 | Bushmills | packets ... |
| 14:28.02 | keith4 | sounds like he wants to protect against MAC spoofing |
| 14:28.06 | keith4 | or ARP poisoning |
| 14:28.47 | Ivan_Shih2 | keith4: yeah , that's what i am saying. |
| 14:29.14 | deb08 | Ivan_Shih2: then use arptable |
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| 14:29.39 | keith4 | that's too bad. arp poisoning can be useful |
| 14:29.48 | the_sniff | am i the only one who gets serious memory leaks on gmail? (im connected all day long most of the times) |
| 14:30.00 | cast | gmail? |
| 14:30.10 | cast | as in the website? |
| 14:30.13 | the_sniff | google's web mail? |
| 14:30.14 | the_sniff | yes |
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| 14:31.12 | the_sniff | am i the only one who gets serious memory leaks on gmail? (im connected all day long most of the times) |
| 14:31.15 | the_sniff | damn itl |
| 14:31.17 | the_sniff | sorry lol |
| 14:31.20 | brusqe | the_sniff, I don't really |
| 14:31.21 | Ivan_Shih2 | deb08: can i achieve it by using arptables? |
| 14:31.25 | deb08 | Ivan_Shih2: yes |
| 14:31.36 | the_sniff | brusqe are you using it all day too? |
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| 14:32.09 | jelly | !kdump |
| 14:32.12 | deb08 | first, arptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 14:32.13 | deb08 | then arptables -A INPUT -p ALL -s $GATEWAY -j ACCEPT |
| 14:32.13 | deb08 | where $gateway is your gateway of course |
| 14:32.13 | deb08 | use this to get your gateway : route -n|tail -n 1|awk '{print $2}' |
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| 14:32.19 | jelly | !kexec |
| 14:32.34 | jelly | !test |
| 14:32.34 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:32.43 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: arp spoofing is a matter of configuration. i don't know of any virus changing the MAC. it'd need root privs first. |
| 14:32.46 | jelly | dpkg: you failed. |
| 14:32.47 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 14:32.55 | deb08 | :p |
| 14:33.04 | jelly | deb08: it's automatic |
| 14:33.14 | deb08 | I know |
| 14:33.35 | jelly | oh. then :p backatcha |
| 14:33.40 | keith4 | doesn't mean he has to like it |
| 14:33.41 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: protecting your gateway against NICs with spoofed MACs is something you can do with arptables |
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| 14:33.48 | sixty6murph | hi, built a custom kernel and tried to install - ran out of space. / is full (why it is 259M) i can't understand. |
| 14:34.13 | jelly | sixty6murph: du -mx / |
| 14:34.20 | sixty6murph | anyway can't figure out a way around without reinstall. |
| 14:34.38 | Bushmills | by allowing packets with their on-board stored MAC only to pass |
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| 14:35.01 | deb08 | Ivan_Shih2: you can use arpwatch too, it can monitors mac address |
| 14:35.02 | jelly | sixty6murph: does du show all the space on / is occupied (around 250MB)? |
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| 14:35.27 | Bushmills | but that means that your gateway will not accept any packets from unknown NICs. if that's what you mean to do. |
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| 14:35.30 | basic` | how do i get logrotate.d/syslog back? it's missing -- i tried reinstalling with missing configs for both sysklogd and logrotate but the file is still gone |
| 14:35.34 | foormea | hi! |
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| 14:35.45 | sixty6murph | jelly: yes, 100% usage. what does -mx do? outputs a load of dirs, finally . 111 |
| 14:35.46 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 14:35.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:35.52 | liable | basic`: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:35.54 | foormea | is it possible to use a multithread downloader, such as aget, in aptitude/apt-get? |
| 14:35.58 | basic` | no, i did that |
| 14:36.00 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 14:36.02 | basic` | it didnt replace the missing files |
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| 14:36.25 | jelly | sixty6murph: only 111? Most likely, a process is holding some deleted files open. |
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| 14:36.37 | dbmoodb | wait what .. just get the list of files and instead of just downloading them mark them to a site and their locations then donwload them manually -- parse the checksums into it |
| 14:36.39 | jelly | sixty6murph: lsof -n |grep -i deleted |
| 14:36.40 | nvti | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 3, v.3311 (5.1.2600) up: 2days 1hr 13mins 22secs cpu: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3500+ (x86) at 2009MHz (100% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 6100 nForce 405 512MB res: 1024x768 32bit 60Hz ram: 969/2303.5MB (42.05%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 52.04GB/63.99GB D:\ 80.81GB/298.09GB O:\ 75.84GB/89.39GB net: Generic Marvell Yukon Chipset based Ethernet Controller - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 100MB/s 1.01GB In -1.25GB Out |
| 14:36.41 | dbmoodb | / gpg confirm it |
| 14:36.54 | dbmoodb | windows ? |
| 14:37.08 | lostson | anyone using mpdscribble with mpd ? |
| 14:37.25 | dbmoodb | nvti: 2 days pft |
| 14:37.34 | jelly | sixty6murph: -m is just "display in megabytes", -x is "don't cross over to other file systems" |
| 14:37.45 | basic` | can someone pastebin their syslog conf? |
| 14:37.53 | basic` | er, syslog/logrotate.d file |
| 14:38.01 | dbmoodb | ... remove it and then dpkg it ? |
| 14:38.04 | sixty6murph | jelly: no output. it does seem strange though - i'm pretty sure i've dist-upgrade the kernel before - would that not involve a similar amount of memory? |
| 14:38.13 | dbmoodb | (reconfigure) |
| 14:38.26 | jelly | sixty6murph: are you running du and lsof as root? |
| 14:38.36 | sixty6murph | jelly: yes. |
| 14:38.56 | jelly | sixty6murph: paste "df / | tail -1" |
| 14:39.04 | XTZGZoReX | I've just installed Xming locally - now, how would I use it with my Debian server? |
| 14:39.04 | dbmoodb | if it is logrotate ... -- also watch for the cron jobs no ? |
| 14:39.24 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: are you in a secure LAN? |
| 14:39.40 | cast | XTZGZoReX: very carefully |
| 14:39.42 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: it's not a local machine |
| 14:39.48 | sixty6murph | jelly: rootfs 264445 123440 127352 50% / |
| 14:40.00 | wols_ | still, then you want to use ssh forwarding |
| 14:40.00 | dbmoodb | best to tunnel it over ssh |
| 14:40.02 | jelly | sixty6murph: so you still have 120MB free |
| 14:40.18 | XTZGZoReX | well, I told xlaunch to connect via SSH |
| 14:40.32 | dbmoodb | ... did you connect and tunnel the port ? |
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| 14:40.38 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: google for the xauth howto and export DISPLAY appropriately on debian, that's all |
| 14:40.53 | jelly | wols_: meh, X11Forwarding ftw |
| 14:40.57 | dbmoodb | XTZGZoReX: it isn't hard just windows isn't that great for a "posix" compliant os |
| 14:41.01 | dbmoodb | no x server |
| 14:41.07 | sixty6murph | jelly: thanks for that. might i ask how that was done? |
| 14:41.15 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: explort DISPLAY? |
| 14:41.20 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: export* |
| 14:41.26 | jelly | sixty6murph: what, running "df"? :-) |
| 14:41.26 | Ivan_Shih2 | Bushmills deb08 keith4: it seems it works. Anyway,Thanks very much! Maybe i should learn more about it through the man page. |
| 14:41.28 | wols_ | yes, env var |
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| 14:41.53 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: I have no idea how env works.. :) - is there a standard command I can execute? |
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| 14:42.01 | Bushmills | Ivan_Shih2: doesn't hurt to do so |
| 14:42.06 | wols_ | yes: export |
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| 14:42.14 | sixty6murph | jelly: no, i'm relatively familiar with basic df and du usage, but df said / was full 5 minutes ago! |
| 14:42.20 | wols_ | you need to set the proper env variable for X programs |
| 14:42.42 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: are you connecting to the remote machine over an insecure network? |
| 14:42.53 | XTZGZoReX | jelly: insecure as in? |
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| 14:43.09 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: as in "public network" aka the internet |
| 14:43.11 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: as in "internet" and not "your vpn" |
| 14:43.19 | XTZGZoReX | That'd be the internets then. |
| 14:43.24 | jelly | yesh |
| 14:43.30 | wols_ | then you need ssh X forwarding |
| 14:43.34 | deb08 | Ivan_Shih2: be careful with fixed mac gateway on dedicated server, it can cause problems if the gateway's mac is changed :) |
| 14:43.45 | XTZGZoReX | er |
| 14:43.49 | XTZGZoReX | >-< |
| 14:43.51 | XTZGZoReX | >_<* |
| 14:43.56 | XTZGZoReX | And how'd I use that/what does it do? |
| 14:44.51 | XTZGZoReX | Also, do I need any serverside softwares? |
| 14:45.01 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: I haven't done it with xming' xlaunch. However, with Cygwin/X and putty, it was as simple as starting the X server, then connecting with putty to the remote machine while having X11 Forwarding option enabled in putty |
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| 14:45.54 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: try ##windows, they might know more about xming |
| 14:46.23 | XTZGZoReX | Is the X server local? |
| 14:46.27 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: on the server you need xming and a ssh client |
| 14:46.28 | XTZGZoReX | As in, on the machine you're currently at |
| 14:46.39 | wols_ | on the X clients you need an ssh server and the X client of course |
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| 14:46.49 | XTZGZoReX | Isn't Xming the client? |
| 14:46.56 | XTZGZoReX | I'm confused. >_> |
| 14:46.59 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: you said it's a remote |
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| 14:47.12 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: in X _server_ that's xming |
| 14:47.21 | wols_ | since it's the server it can't be the client, can it? |
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| 14:48.04 | XTZGZoReX | I'll rephrase it. |
| 14:48.22 | XTZGZoReX | I got a Debian server, it's remote. I normally use SSH to access it. So, I installed Xming on this computer. |
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| 14:48.45 | XTZGZoReX | And hoped I could use X with Xming on this PC? |
| 14:48.50 | wols_ | sure you can |
| 14:48.55 | basic` | so my solution, install syslog-ng |
| 14:48.57 | wols_ | you can tunnel X over this ssh connection |
| 14:48.58 | basic` | hehe |
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| 14:49.23 | jelly | How can I tell avahi that .foo.local domain isn't under its control? |
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| 14:49.34 | wols_ | and with X, the computer where the display is, is the server, and the one running the programs is the client |
| 14:49.38 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: well, xming uses puttylink, or whatever it was, to do so, afaik? |
| 14:49.53 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: there goes the confusion :) |
| 14:49.53 | wols_ | yes it does. putty itself rather |
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| 14:50.02 | wols_ | you also start the X programs in your putty shell |
| 14:50.29 | jelly | XTZGZoReX: right. you connect to the server with an X11Forwarding-enabled ssh client, and run X apps in that shell |
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| 14:51.23 | cast | this isn't immediately obvious, what would the option i add to /etc/apt/apt.conf be to accomplish aptitude -R |
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| 14:53.09 | XTZGZoReX | jelly/wols_: Okay, I gotta go do stuffs now - >_< - ill be back later, if you care to help out again ;) thanks so far |
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| 14:55.48 | cast | Aptitude::Recommends-Important is what the manpage says is the relevent config var for -R, just dunno how to set that to being false |
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| 14:56.25 | cast | Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false"; /me tries |
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| 14:59.14 | cast | nope :(, i put it in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 15:07.58 | Eleksir | here i am, hello again |
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| 15:09.29 | ma3x | what's the xchat log filename? |
| 15:09.32 | ma3x | i can't find it in the logs |
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| 15:11.39 | nvti | uhm |
| 15:12.42 | wols_ | ma3x: find ~ -name *debian* |
| 15:12.58 | ma3x | thanks |
| 15:12.58 | apt | ma3x: my pleasure |
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| 15:19.15 | Eleksir | i found out that crashes of iceweasel on my system happen because of corrupted x-server, well now i reinstall it |
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| 15:22.31 | kopf | hello |
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| 15:24.43 | blame | Any way to launch gtk application from terminal and have the terminal free to type commands after that, meaning the software in question does not occupy the terminal after it's launch? |
| 15:25.02 | deb08 | blame: use & after the command |
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| 15:26.11 | blame | thanks deb08 |
| 15:26.11 | apt | sure thing, blame |
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| 15:26.33 | deb08 | you're welcome |
| 15:27.06 | markybob | which format are deb packages? tar.gz? gz? |
| 15:27.16 | Deezire | .deb |
| 15:27.23 | cast | that was a hard one |
| 15:27.25 | Deezire | Amazingly enough! |
| 15:27.27 | deb08 | :D |
| 15:27.31 | markybob | not the extension. the compression used |
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| 15:27.55 | Deezire | gzip I thoink |
| 15:28.06 | sts | hello folks. is it possible to mix etch with sarge packages? |
| 15:28.09 | stew | markybob: binary packages are ar archives which contain two .tar.gzs which are gzip -9 compressed. the two .tar.gzs are a 'data' tarball which is extracted in / and a 'control' which contains the various files that go in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:28.23 | sts | in case the system is aready running etch? |
| 15:28.41 | stew | sts: yes. but why do you want to? |
| 15:28.50 | sts | we need the mysql-server 4 package from sarge, stew. |
| 15:29.06 | stew | sts: why can't you use mysql5? |
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| 15:29.34 | sts | stew: because the application doesn't support it yet. |
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| 15:30.07 | cal | anyone ever have problems with irssi dumping /var/www/index.html into random IRC chans? |
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| 15:31.56 | sts | stew: shall i watch out for anything? |
| 15:32.02 | sts | stew: like pinning? |
| 15:32.38 | stew | sts: you should be mindful that sarge is not receiving security updates |
| 15:33.26 | Eleksir | yeah sarge is obsolete |
| 15:33.45 | zbychuk | Hi, everyone |
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| 15:40.42 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: you here? |
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| 15:50.06 | jelly | cal: is it always to the visible, active channel? |
| 15:50.26 | cal | jelly: no, whichever one was joined last |
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| 15:50.45 | jelly | oh. I was thinking it could have been putty's fault |
| 15:51.13 | stsquad | Has anyone got experience with courierpassd? I'm trying to set it up for squirrelmail but it refuses to change passwords. I've exhausted my knowledge of authentication now |
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| 15:52.54 | XTZGZoReX | yay |
| 15:52.57 | XTZGZoReX | Got the X working |
| 15:52.58 | XTZGZoReX | :) |
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| 15:54.00 | XTZGZoReX | If I want to launch emacs from SSH, with X, what's the command? |
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| 15:54.42 | stsquad | dpkg /help |
| 15:54.43 | dpkg | stsquad: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:55.16 | wiledmind | How can I add a package to the the list that is withheld from upgrading? |
| 15:55.22 | aliver | Hi, I'm trying to get autofs working. I've got box A which is a BSD machine with NFS directories exported to Debian 4.0 Box B. I've edited /etc/auto.master to include /etc/auto.net. I've been reading some howtos and what-not, they have various, conflicting advice on where to put a host directive. My question is, where is the _real_ spot _on debian_ to tell autofs to mount all the NFS shares exported to it from the BSD box? |
| 15:56.08 | stew | wiledmind: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:56.23 | wiledmind | Thanks |
| 15:56.23 | apt | wiledmind: sure thing |
| 15:57.03 | gonzaloaf | hi, how does iceweasel choose the default google's page? I mean I'm form Peru, why it doesnt uses www.google.com.pe as default? |
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| 15:58.27 | dFence | hey, i'd like to connect 2 pcs via a serial cable. one pc(windows) should only listen on the serial-line and the other (debian) sends a couple of lines -- can i setup /dev/ttyS0 so i just need to echo "foo" > /dev/ttyS0 or do i need a different approach? |
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| 16:00.22 | XTZGZoReX | How in the world do you quit vim in SSH? =P |
| 16:00.39 | petemc | esc :q! |
| 16:00.39 | dFence | XTZGZoReX: :q?! |
| 16:00.49 | XTZGZoReX | E37: No write since last change (add ! to override) |
| 16:00.54 | XTZGZoReX | =O |
| 16:01.01 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 16:01.02 | XTZGZoReX | :1q |
| 16:01.05 | XTZGZoReX | :!q* |
| 16:01.05 | stew | XTZGZoReX: do you want to save the file? or just quit without saving? |
| 16:01.06 | XTZGZoReX | =o |
| 16:01.07 | dFence | XTZGZoReX: then add the ! ;D |
| 16:01.13 | XTZGZoReX | stew: quit :) |
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| 16:01.32 | XTZGZoReX | wait what |
| 16:01.39 | XTZGZoReX | shell returned 127 |
| 16:01.40 | XTZGZoReX | Press ENTER or type command to continue |
| 16:01.41 | XTZGZoReX | =O |
| 16:01.42 | dFence | esc :q! |
| 16:02.15 | aliver | n/m I got it. |
| 16:02.34 | XTZGZoReX | What do I do now >-< |
| 16:02.36 | XTZGZoReX | >_<* |
| 16:02.40 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: not at the start |
| 16:02.48 | stew | XTZGZoReX: ':!q*' would have meant to filter the file through the command named 'q*' which didn't exist, so the shell returned an eror (127) |
| 16:02.50 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: did any of the examples you were given place the '!' at the start? |
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| 16:03.10 | XTZGZoReX | err |
| 16:03.20 | XTZGZoReX | What examples? |
| 16:03.21 | XTZGZoReX | =P |
| 16:03.25 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
| 16:03.27 | Dewi | I can see two of them |
| 16:03.41 | XTZGZoReX | 18:01
dFence: esc :q! -- took that as an actual !, not part of the cmd |
| 16:03.57 | dFence | !? |
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| 16:04.33 | dFence | hit ESC then enter :q! (alternative approach: switch console and killall vim :D) |
| 16:04.43 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
| 16:04.46 | Dewi | dFence: harsh :P |
| 16:04.53 | XTZGZoReX | I was hoping not to disconnect =) |
| 16:04.55 | Dewi | dFence: although sometimes necessary |
| 16:05.06 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: killing vim wouldn't disconnect you |
| 16:05.09 | dFence | Dewi: it's not that one's been polite the first time ;D |
| 16:05.33 | dFence | errm... i'm just gonna go out on a limp here: is vim your login-shell? *rofl* |
| 16:05.43 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: i'd still have to open another shell :) |
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| 16:05.55 | enouf | dFence: i'd say screen, netcat, stty are your tty friends |
| 16:06.16 | dFence | enouf: finally found sth at tldp.org - thanks! |
| 16:07.21 | enouf | dFence: np - also since you're a vi/vim cat, man xxd, see Examples (bottom) |
| 16:07.21 | XTZGZoReX | err |
| 16:07.40 | dFence | *meoow* |
| 16:07.46 | XTZGZoReX | how would one get the size of a directory (including all files/folders inside it)? |
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| 16:07.58 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: du -sh |
| 16:08.00 | stew | XTZGZoReX: du |
| 16:08.09 | cahoot | duh |
| 16:08.23 | enouf | </Sammy> :-p |
| 16:08.30 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
| 16:08.40 | Dewi | when I do: ssh localhost pstree -ap |
| 16:08.45 | Dewi | what role does my login shell play? |
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| 16:08.55 | Dewi | because it doesn't appear in that tree |
| 16:09.16 | enouf | add -l ? |
| 16:09.28 | dFence | god damnit... no nullmodem cable around... |
| 16:09.29 | XTZGZoReX | Ahh |
| 16:09.38 | XTZGZoReX | What can possibly be eating so many gigabytes T_T |
| 16:09.39 | stew | Dewi: you mean a login shell from the ssh session that is running pstree? |
| 16:09.49 | enouf | i usually use -lunap - maybe it's redundant with -a, i forget |
| 16:10.55 | Dewi | stew: well... is bash started at any stage there? |
| 16:10.56 | stew | XTZGZoReX: you might want "du -k * | sort -n" to sort by size |
| 16:11.09 | Dewi | stew: does it process my args and then disappear? is it running but I can't see it? |
| 16:11.11 | XTZGZoReX | stew: ahh, k |
| 16:11.29 | Dewi | stew: and if bash isn't running, why does setting my shell in /etc/passwd to /bin/false stop me logging in? |
| 16:11.32 | stew | Dewi: from the manpage, "If command is specified, it is executed on the remote host instead of a login shell." |
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| 16:12.04 | XTZGZoReX | Is there a simple way to clear all my logs from different apps? |
| 16:12.04 | Dewi | stew: hmm |
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| 16:12.25 | Dewi | stew: I wonder what's expanding wildcards then |
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| 16:12.52 | stew | Dewi: what wildcards? |
| 16:13.00 | Dewi | stew: ssh localhost 'ls *' |
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| 16:13.07 | strawks | does anybody know of a good VoIP client which supports IPv6? preferably SIP or IAX |
| 16:13.16 | Dewi | stew: that expands, and my shell in /etc/passwd for some reason matters |
| 16:13.17 | XTZGZoReX | SKAEYP? |
| 16:13.27 | Dewi | stew: why would either of these things happen if I had no shell? |
| 16:13.40 | stew | Dewi: i'm not sure |
| 16:13.45 | voicu | Hi, I'm new to debian, what would be the best web interface available? something like webmin |
| 16:13.49 | Dewi | stew: It seems like having half a shell; it has always confused me :P |
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| 16:15.16 | stew | voicu: probably ispconfig or vhcs2 |
| 16:16.08 | voicu | stew: what repositories do I need for those? |
| 16:16.12 | voicu | they don't appear in apt |
| 16:16.25 | zinx | Dewi: it -is- possible to use 'exec' by the way.. |
| 16:16.29 | stew | voicu: i don't know. there are no such tools in debian afaik |
| 16:16.41 | Dewi | zinx: well |
| 16:16.45 | Dewi | zinx: that's what I was wondering |
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| 16:17.04 | Dewi | zinx: does my /etc/passwd shell load, but exec instead of starting a child? |
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| 16:17.12 | zinx | Dewi: most likely |
| 16:17.25 | voicu | well thanks anyway |
| 16:17.27 | voicu | bye |
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| 16:17.46 | enouf | ever seen or tried http://wiki.debian.org/CipUX/CAT ? a possible webmin replacement? |
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| 16:17.57 | Dewi | zinx: it seems to fit the observations the best, yes. |
| 16:18.00 | enouf | drive-by |
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| 16:19.14 | Dewi | zinx: I have been playing with the command="" directive in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, which adds a couple of extra bashes into the mix between two rsync endpoints, and I'm hoping it doesn't introduce oddities |
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| 16:19.43 | Dewi | zinx: but anyway my hands are full with the way Interix in Windows fails to present a stable view of a standard windows filesys |
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| 16:20.37 | benjamindees | I don't normally use xargs but it doesn't seem to work according to the manpage in etch :-/ |
| 16:20.54 | Dewi | benjamindees: in what way? |
| 16:21.08 | benjamindees | this only prints a single line: 'find /tmp -name \*.pdf -print0 |xargs -0 echo' |
| 16:21.21 | benjamindees | and there are fourteen pdf files in that dir |
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| 16:21.36 | Dewi | benjamindees: it should only print a single line |
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| 16:21.41 | stew | benjamindees: yes, that should only call echo once with 14 arguments |
| 16:21.53 | Dewi | benjamindees: add -n1 to xargs |
| 16:21.57 | stew | benjamindees: if you want it to execute echo once for each argument at -n1 |
| 16:22.07 | Dewi | benjamindees: that will make it append at most 1 argument to any output invocation |
| 16:22.21 | benjamindees | ah, I expected that would be the default; my bad. |
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| 16:22.34 | Dewi | benjamindees: it is the default only when using -i |
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| 16:23.31 | Dewi | benjamindees: I find the most stable xargs option set to be: -0r -n1 |
| 16:23.36 | XTZGZoReX | When I have an X server running, is there a way I can enter the KDE environment? |
| 16:23.41 | StylusEater | hi, booted into a shell from the netinst cd ...but I can't seem to find ssh, is there another debian disk with the ssh binary already installed (and not packaged in a deb file?) I'm trying to dd off an image of the disk and I can't use ssh b/c I can't find it anywhere on the "system" |
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| 16:23.52 | benjamindees | Dewi, like I said, I almost never use it. |
| 16:24.09 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: yes, run the client to start KDE with your DISPLAY variable set to point to your X server |
| 16:24.22 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: What would that client be? =O |
| 16:24.33 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: unfortunately I only know the gnome command: gnome-session |
| 16:24.56 | Dewi | benjamindees: you get points for using -0 |
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| 16:25.14 | XTZGZoReX | aww |
| 16:26.27 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: funny, apt-get install kde <- reports that KDE is not installed :) |
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| 16:31.28 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: heh |
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| 16:31.51 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: well, maybe you don't have any, but there are different sizes of kde, ask dpkg bot about 'install kde' for more information |
| 16:31.53 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: blind guess is "kde" when it's installed =P |
| 16:31.59 | XTZGZoReX | well |
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| 16:32.07 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: I installed a 700+ MB one |
| 16:32.11 | Dewi | heh |
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| 16:32.50 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: Ah, i installed the full one :) |
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| 16:33.01 | cast|eee | can someone remind me as to the tool to turn off the lcd display on my laptop? no x installed so its not xrandr, ive forgotten the name... |
| 16:33.18 | jelly | vbetool? |
| 16:33.25 | cast|eee | thats it :) |
| 16:33.51 | cast|eee | thatll be why i couldnt find it, its not installed |
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| 16:34.10 | jelly | cast|eee: you could also try one of setterm -powersave options |
| 16:35.01 | jelly | vbetool is a bit lowlevel |
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| 16:36.39 | XTZGZoReX | err |
| 16:36.48 | XTZGZoReX | where is .xsession file or whatever its called on debian stored? |
| 16:37.08 | cast|eee | ~/? |
| 16:37.08 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 16:37.13 | stew | XTZGZoReX: the global one is in /etc/X11 but you are probably talking about the one in your $HOME |
| 16:38.00 | XTZGZoReX | stew: lemme try :) |
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| 16:43.41 | bostjan | how i run debian in gui mode ? |
| 16:43.49 | bostjan | it booted in text mode |
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| 16:43.58 | bostjan | btw its 6 years old debian |
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| 16:44.16 | bostjan | whats the command to change to gui/desktop |
| 16:44.22 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
| 16:44.23 | XTZGZoReX | startkde? |
| 16:44.30 | bostjan | ill try it |
| 16:44.38 | stew | bostjan: 'startx' would start the x server if it is installed |
| 16:45.09 | XTZGZoReX | stew: isnt startkde enough if he's sitting in front of the pc? |
| 16:45.16 | bostjan | bah nvm my bad |
| 16:45.20 | bostjan | it loaded gui |
| 16:45.33 | bostjan | christ im worked out off this job |
| 16:45.35 | stew | XTZGZoReX: if kde is installed |
| 16:45.49 | cahoot | and x running? |
| 16:45.50 | bostjan | ok i need to get that irclient starting |
| 16:45.59 | bostjan | on 6 years old debian |
| 16:46.16 | XTZGZoReX | have fun =) |
| 16:46.19 | bostjan | bitcx irssi xchat whatever aslong as im onirc |
| 16:46.24 | stew | bostjan: you should upgrade to the current version of debian after upgrading to the previous version of debian |
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| 16:47.05 | bostjan | irc and mplayeri need |
| 16:47.14 | bostjan | so i canwatch some movies |
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| 16:47.35 | XTZGZoReX | bostjan: wine mirc.exe =) |
| 16:47.42 | XTZGZoReX | that is, if you just cant live without that one =P |
| 16:47.52 | bostjan | stew do i really need to upgrade to newer version .. coz i remember i could watch movies and be on irc with thisdebian |
| 16:48.09 | stew | bostjan: you need to if you want support from us |
| 16:48.23 | bostjan | ok whats the command to upgrade debian then ? |
| 16:48.24 | XTZGZoReX | yeah |
| 16:48.28 | XTZGZoReX | no point in staying on old debian too |
| 16:48.29 | XTZGZoReX | =X |
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| 16:48.33 | stew | bostjan: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:48.53 | stew | bostjan: after that is complete you need to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 16:48.54 | bostjan | i use thissign too ? -> ? |
| 16:49.02 | stew | dpkg: tell bostjan about woody->sarge |
| 16:49.16 | bostjan | k brb |
| 16:49.27 | bostjan | i have just 1 monitor here for 2comps |
| 16:49.28 | bostjan | argh |
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| 16:51.24 | fluxdude | in debian how are iptables rules saved and restored? |
| 16:51.25 | meng_ | what mount option do i need to remount a stale nfs directory? |
| 16:51.39 | bostjan | stew |
| 16:51.44 | fluxdude | there is no iptables init script on stable that I can see, is it part of networking scripts? |
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| 16:52.02 | bostjan | it says no such command as /msg or no such file as msg if is kip / |
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| 16:52.04 | bostjan | skip |
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| 16:52.52 | stew | bostjan: /msg is an irc command, not a command to type on your computer, i waas trying to get you to get dpkg to tell you the information it messaged you when i said "dpkg: tell bostjan about woody->sarge" |
| 16:53.22 | stew | fluxdude: the recommended way is to run a script from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:53.23 | bostjan | hm |
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| 16:54.17 | bostjan | ah but newer version of debian .. mostly just kernel changes |
| 16:54.24 | fluxdude | stew: manually add this? This is surprising. |
| 16:54.26 | stew | bostjan: no |
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| 16:54.34 | stew | fluxdude: yes, manually add this |
| 16:54.39 | bostjan | cant i use 3 years old debian fr mplayer and irc ? |
| 16:54.42 | fluxdude | you mean to say that iptables on debian will not auto-save and restore at shutdown and boot time? |
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| 16:54.58 | bostjan | how i get mplayer |
| 16:55.03 | simonrvn | fluxdude: not just on debian |
| 16:55.05 | bostjan | aptitude install mplayer ? |
| 16:55.13 | stew | fluxdude: correct |
| 16:55.26 | stew | bostjan: no, mplayer was not in debian when woody was released |
| 16:55.43 | bostjan | ook another movieplayer then ? |
| 16:56.26 | stew | bostjan: note that if you were to do something like run bitchx, anybody on any irc network you connect to would be able to remotely exploit your machine becuase you'd be using an older known vulnerable version of bitchx (as an example of why what you are doing is a bad idea) |
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| 16:57.05 | bostjan | im new linux |
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| 16:57.21 | bostjan | i managed to get spacerunning where i test my websites |
| 16:57.26 | stew | bostjan: if your new to linux, i'd recommend installing a supported version |
| 16:57.30 | bostjan | with the help of riend |
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| 16:57.54 | bostjan | apache* |
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| 16:58.30 | bostjan | i had 2 prtitions on my main comp .. c d bothwin xp |
| 16:58.45 | bostjan | then i got error .. blue screen about ntfs.sys |
| 16:59.16 | bostjan | the only thing that hepled wasinstalling this old debian and overwrite the empty d partition .. only os was on it |
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| 17:00.03 | fluxdude | stew: hmmm I've just been doing this across all my gentoo servers and they all have auto-remember and auto-restore |
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| 17:00.11 | fluxdude | I would have thought debs would have the same. I've added a pre-up to restore and a pre-down to save the rules to emulate this behaviour though |
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| 17:00.39 | bostjan | machine im on now is without gui + all my data is on c partitin of main comp |
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| 17:01.08 | stew | bostjan: the gui isn't necessary for upgrading to sarge |
| 17:01.22 | bostjan | how i upgrade to sarge ? |
| 17:01.30 | bostjan | how many upgrades i need ? |
| 17:01.45 | Bushmills | sarge? |
| 17:01.47 | bostjan | i got about 1 gb free space left on thisdebian pertition |
| 17:01.59 | stew | bostjan: did you read the instructions that dpkg sent you about woody->sarge? |
| 17:02.20 | stew | bostjan: you'll be upgrading just about every package on that machine twice, once from woody->sarge and then from sarge->etch |
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| 17:03.16 | bostjan | is this really neccessary considering the only things i need is mplayer irc client and burning of cds/dvds to save data from c partition |
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| 17:03.51 | Award | I asked this in #ubuntu, but it isn't distro specific: Is it normal for hard links to work in the same directory, but fail across directories on a mounted nfs share? |
| 17:03.54 | Bushmills | why upgrade at all, rather than just install? maybe, save /etc and /home and /usr/local and such |
| 17:04.14 | jelly | bostjan: yes, mixing new packages with your old system could introduce instability |
| 17:04.25 | stew | bostjan: it is necessary if you want support from us |
| 17:04.35 | stew | bostjan: it is also necessary if you are going to be exposing this machine to the internet |
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| 17:04.49 | keith4 | holy crap. woody? |
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| 17:05.20 | bostjan | stew the other machine imfixing .. and after i save all data everything is gonna be formatted repartitioned etc |
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| 17:05.47 | bjaton | On my unstable computer, "linux-image-2.6-686" depends on "linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", however the package linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is not available. Is that normal? |
| 17:05.47 | bostjan | im not making a system that will last now |
| 17:06.11 | jelly | Award: hardlinks ought to work on the same fs. I haven't heard of nfs breaking that. Are those different directories on the same lower level fs over on the file server? |
| 17:06.27 | bostjan | ok whats command to upgrade debian ? |
| 17:06.32 | bostjan | is it hard ? |
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| 17:07.08 | Award | jelly: Yes. I'm trying to use bontmia/rsync to back up a file server (bontmia makes a hardlink of a backup and then rsyncs the diffs over it.) |
| 17:08.07 | Award | jelly: The file server is a linux box, the backup server is a "Hammer Storage myshare" box running BusyBox w/ NFS support. I've mounted the Hammer's NFS volume (only one volume supported by the machine) and attempt to backup to it. |
| 17:08.09 | bostjan | bah |
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| 17:08.44 | CreatixEA_ | /disconnect |
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| 17:09.09 | Award | jelly: but form the bontmia errors, followed by my own testing, I discovered if I do ln blah.sh blah2.sh it works, but if I do ln blah.sh 2008/blah2.sh it fails. |
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| 17:09.28 | bostjan | bah |
| 17:09.39 | dFence | *grr* can't send newline via serial-port |
| 17:09.41 | jelly | Award: sounds like an issue on the nfs server side |
| 17:09.50 | bostjan | ill try to overwrite this olddebian with win xp if it lets me |
| 17:09.54 | jelly | Award: ask their support :-) |
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| 17:10.08 | Award | jelly: Hmm, good advice :) |
| 17:10.11 | Award | jelly: Thanks |
| 17:10.19 | CreatixEA___ | /whois CreatixEA___ |
| 17:11.03 | jelly | Award: I bet you'd have more luck reproducing it with a vanilla kernel and asking on lkml if the bug is still there, but... |
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| 17:13.31 | Bac0n | as[4309]: segfault at 00000000 eip 0806a300 esp bfabff00 error 6 what does it mean? |
| 17:13.56 | Bac0n | perl[5819]: segfault at 000003c0 eip 080c5f8f esp bfd020b0 error 4 |
| 17:13.58 | xingu | Award: linksn across dirs will fail if they're different mount(point)s at the client end |
| 17:14.19 | xingu | Award: each nfs mount will have its own fsid iirc |
| 17:14.25 | Bac0n | i got them when trying to compile kvirc |
| 17:14.42 | meff | Bac0n: run memtest86+ for a night or so. |
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| 17:14.52 | meff | Bac0n: also if you are overclocking, stop it |
| 17:14.56 | stew | Bac0n: it means that these programs are trying to access memory which isn't theirs. if perl is segfaulting, i'd guess that you actually have a bad memory stick. i'd recommend running memtest86+ |
| 17:15.11 | Bac0n | i got them after last update |
| 17:15.34 | Bac0n | ok |
| 17:15.41 | stew | Bac0n: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:15.46 | Bac0n | lenny |
| 17:15.52 | Bac0n | uptodate |
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| 17:16.03 | Bac0n | yesterday |
| 17:16.37 | stew | Bac0n: well yesterday there was a major perl transition in lenny |
| 17:16.46 | Bac0n | i have only seen it then compiling kvirc |
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| 17:16.58 | Bac0n | o yes |
| 17:17.08 | stew | Bac0n: i'd still not expect either as or perl to segfault, but you should check the bts for both |
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| 17:17.39 | Bac0n | i try to compile kvirc becource 3.4.0 crashes on maxinize all |
| 17:18.00 | stew | Bac0n: you should run memtest86+ |
| 17:18.21 | XTZGZoReX | is there a command to shut down KDE ..? |
| 17:18.23 | XTZGZoReX | >_< |
| 17:18.27 | XTZGZoReX | Like, entirely |
| 17:18.51 | stew | XTZGZoReX: '/etc/init.d/kdm stop' ? |
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| 17:18.59 | simonrvn | log out..? |
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| 17:21.05 | XTZGZoReX | I did log out |
| 17:21.08 | XTZGZoReX | Didn't close it |
| 17:21.09 | XTZGZoReX | =< |
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| 17:22.37 | JyZyXEL | i just suddenly got this huge urge to go play MUD in some dark corner |
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| 17:24.27 | jelly | ooh, 5.10 is in testing! |
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| 17:25.36 | jelly | makes me wonder how far to a freeze |
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| 17:25.40 | kdubois | i just want the .deb file from something in the repos, how can i do that? |
| 17:26.18 | stew | jelly: things are already frozen |
| 17:26.43 | stew | kdubois: you can download it from http://packages.debian.org/packagename ; or you can have apt-get / aptitude download it with --download-only |
| 17:26.59 | jelly | or apt-get --print-uris -s install foo |
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| 17:35.29 | dFence | why the hell won't echo -e foo\tbar do as it should!?!?! |
| 17:35.50 | stew | dFence: try /bin/echo -e foo\tbar |
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| 17:36.19 | dFence | nope |
| 17:36.23 | dFence | not working |
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| 17:36.33 | stew | dFence: oh you want echo -e 'foo\tbar' probably |
| 17:36.34 | petemc | echo -e foo\\tbar |
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| 17:37.07 | dFence | petemc's worked, thanks guys |
| 17:37.27 | dvs | petemc works!? wow! ;-) |
| 17:37.41 | petemc | :) |
| 17:37.47 | dFence | *d'uh* ;D |
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| 17:38.48 | codynotes | Can anyone tell me whether there's a way to install an older version of a package with apt-get? |
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| 17:39.06 | codynotes | Or is the most current version of any given package the only one available? |
| 17:39.08 | meff | codynotes: apt-get install pkg=version |
| 17:39.23 | meff | ie, apt-get install blah=2.1-1 |
| 17:39.28 | codynotes | meff: Thanks!!! |
| 17:39.37 | meff | to see the versions, do apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 17:39.42 | meff | np |
| 17:40.02 | bAndie91 | hi all |
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| 17:40.30 | bAndie91 | ive generated utf locales yesterday |
| 17:40.56 | bAndie91 | and aterm prints linedrawing chars not correctly |
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| 17:41.06 | bAndie91 | xterm ok |
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| 17:41.36 | bAndie91 | on console some chars are bad only |
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| 17:42.46 | simonrvn | tell them to use output using utf8 |
| 17:42.54 | jelly | codynotes: also, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:42.57 | simonrvn | s,use,, |
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| 17:43.38 | jelly | bAndie91: aterm didn't do UTF-8 last time I checked. I switched to rxvt-unicode-lite |
| 17:44.14 | jelly | it has both UTF-8 and trasparency/tinting eyecandy |
| 17:44.40 | bAndie91 | thx |
| 17:44.51 | XTZGZoReX | Let's say I disconnected from a KDE session without logging out - how would I kill it? |
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| 17:45.38 | codynotes | jelly: Thanks, my next questions was going to be how to figure out what versions are available! Thanks! |
| 17:45.44 | simonrvn | depends wth you mean by disconnected from a KDE session |
| 17:45.44 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: do you know the ps command? |
| 17:45.55 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 17:46.04 | XTZGZoReX | Bushmills: what if there's 20+ apps running? |
| 17:46.08 | XTZGZoReX | with various names |
| 17:46.32 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: call it with, among other, the "f" switch |
| 17:46.40 | jelly | codynotes: apt-cache policy packagename tells you what versions are available from your currently configured repositories |
| 17:46.50 | Bushmills | XTZGZoReX: "what if"... and soi? |
| 17:46.52 | Bushmills | so |
| 17:47.20 | XTZGZoReX | k |
| 17:47.39 | Bushmills | pick the top level kde process, kill that one |
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| 17:47.55 | simonrvn | probably startkde or ksmserver |
| 17:48.06 | Bushmills | st with "session" i assume |
| 17:48.39 | simonrvn | startkde is kde's "gnome-session" |
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| 17:53.10 | XTZGZoReX | gee |
| 17:53.13 | XTZGZoReX | this is messed up |
| 17:53.14 | XTZGZoReX | =/ |
| 17:54.53 | simonrvn | killing the kdeinit ones works too |
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| 17:56.03 | XTZGZoReX | hmm |
| 17:56.03 | XTZGZoReX | k |
| 17:57.34 | sts | stew: yeah, i know. thats why we wanted to take etch, upgraded the database. a/wc |
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| 18:02.27 | V4Nelle | gys if i want to have dns-nameservers on /etc/network/interfaces i must have resolveconf package? |
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| 18:03.42 | joltcan | I think so |
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| 18:08.04 | bonez45 | in etch...how/where would I add a wireless network device? |
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| 18:08.38 | stew | bonez45: install wireless-tools and 'man wireless' 'man interfaces' |
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| 18:08.40 | bonez45 | I have tried with Network Tools under System Tools, but I can't figure out how to add this new device there? |
| 18:08.48 | bAndie91 | iwconfig |
| 18:08.52 | bAndie91 | iwlist |
| 18:08.53 | stew | V4Nelle: yes |
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| 18:09.37 | terver | hi, is it possible to launch ppp connection on startup of interface? any other way of "up pon provider" - or it is only way to do it? |
| 18:10.21 | stew | terver: there is also /etc/network/if-up.d/ which is basically the same thing. but what is wrong with an 'up' line? |
| 18:10.25 | joltcan | terver: No idea, I use the interfaces file for everything automated :) |
| 18:10.25 | terver | i have static configuration for my interface and if i add "iface ath0 inet ppp" debian complains about duplicated entry |
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| 18:10.57 | stew | terver: if you need multiple entries for the same interface you can use a mapping |
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| 18:11.26 | terver | stew, i just read about "iface <eth> inet ppp provider <prov>", and i though i could somehow cooperate static configuration and ppp, and may be there was "proper" way, not "up" :) |
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| 18:15.31 | stoned | hola |
| 18:15.42 | cal | stoned: pothead >.> |
| 18:15.50 | stoned | :) |
| 18:16.03 | XTZGZoReX | http://members.ozemail.com.au/~lbrash/msjokes/final.gif |
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| 18:17.02 | Deezire | I don't find that funny at all. Microsoft makes some really good software. |
| 18:18.01 | stoned | its not about the software dude |
| 18:18.06 | stoned | its about the business practices |
| 18:18.08 | stoned | ... |
| 18:18.15 | stoned | but thats neither here no there |
| 18:18.19 | stoned | especially not here. |
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| 18:20.35 | autojack | I'm trying to compile a kernel module against the Debian 2.6.24 kernel headers for Lenny. when I run make, the build complains: "include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it." but this is in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 and I can't seem to run those commands against that. help? |
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| 18:21.17 | autojack | I guess because there's no Makefile with the headers. |
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| 18:22.06 | autojack | do I just need to install the linux-source package? I think I tried that, and it lacks version.h so the module still won't compile against it. |
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| 18:23.24 | Blastur | anyone know what apt package i need to get glib 2.0 development headers? |
| 18:23.48 | stew | bonez45: libglib2.0-dev |
| 18:23.51 | stew | Blastur: ^^ |
| 18:23.57 | stew | autojack: what are you trying to compile? |
| 18:24.10 | stew | XTZGZoReX: please keep that kind of crap out of this channel |
| 18:24.33 | autojack | stew: lirc. I tried following the instructions to use module-assistant but that failed also. |
| 18:24.42 | XTZGZoReX | stew: aww, c'mon. |
| 18:24.43 | XTZGZoReX | =( |
| 18:25.03 | stew | autojack: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:25.11 | Eulex | XTZGZoReX, I find that disgusting. |
| 18:25.17 | autojack | stew: 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:25.23 | stoned | disturbing. |
| 18:25.27 | XTZGZoReX | Eulex: it's a joke towards microsoft |
| 18:25.34 | stoned | its a joke in very bad taste. |
| 18:25.37 | stoned | very bad |
| 18:25.50 | kdubois | i need some serious help with packages, i made my own, and it refuses to uninstall. is there a 'to hell with everything, just remove this package" option in dpkg? |
| 18:26.05 | stoned | kdubois, just apt-get remove packagename should work |
| 18:26.09 | stoned | whatever packagename you gave it |
| 18:26.12 | stoned | dpkg -r too |
| 18:26.12 | dpkg | removes too along with a pound of flesh from stoned's body, then staples stoned back up with a staple gun. |
| 18:26.16 | stoned | doh |
| 18:26.17 | cal | stoned, i believe he tried |
| 18:26.30 | Eulex | kdubois, you could check out the --force-foo options, but rather fix the scripts before doing that |
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| 18:26.37 | cal | hands kdubois rm -rf / - that should take care of it :D |
| 18:26.46 | stew | autojack: from "apt-cache show lirc-modules-source", "The kernel sources must be installed to compile these modules". check /usr/share/doc/lirc-modules-source for instructions |
| 18:26.48 | Eulex | cal, ... |
| 18:26.57 | cal | Eulex: sorry, couldn't resist |
| 18:26.59 | stew | kdubois: don't listen to cal |
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| 18:27.09 | jelly | is it a standup comedian night? |
| 18:27.11 | stew | cal: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 18:27.30 | autojack | stew: cool thanks, I'll give that a try. |
| 18:27.35 | kdubois | don't worry, i've been around linux long enough to know what that would do.. :-D |
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| 18:27.57 | autojack | people definitely seem more annoying on openprojects lately :) |
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| 18:28.08 | stew | kdubois: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:28.09 | autojack | the guys in mythtv-users were surprisingly dickish yesterday. |
| 18:28.11 | autojack | to everyone |
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| 18:29.13 | code4 | hi |
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| 18:29.23 | kdubois | stew: http://pastebin.org/37089 |
| 18:30.04 | stoned | ahhh boy |
| 18:30.09 | Eulex | kdubois, fix the script: either correctly; or just exit 0; at the top of it. |
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| 18:30.28 | tomfmason | man I have been fighting with my new laptop. First I couldn't get my NIC to work with 2.6.18. I manually built the drivers from Broadcom and it worked. Then I didn't have any sound. I got sick of it so I went to lenny. Now the NIC works with 2.6.24 but still no audio. alsaconf detects my sound card |
| 18:30.29 | autojack | what's the difference between linux-source and linux-tree? |
| 18:30.32 | stew | kdubois: so the problem is with /var/lib/dpkg/info/compiz-fusion-plugins-main-kdubois.prerm ; you can put "set -x" at the top to try to debug it or "exit 0" to skip it |
| 18:31.02 | autojack | tomfmason: do /dev/dsp and /dev/audio exist? |
| 18:31.40 | tomfmason | autojack: yes |
| 18:31.40 | stew | autojack: linux-tree is just a meta-package |
| 18:31.46 | autojack | ok |
| 18:32.02 | stew | tomfmason: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 18:32.03 | autojack | tomfmason: do you just not hear any sound, or do sound apps throw errors when you run them? |
| 18:32.06 | kdubois | alright, looks like the 'exit 0' trick did what i needed it to thanks everyone |
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| 18:32.39 | tomfmason | autojack: no errors and no sound at all |
| 18:32.42 | kdubois | debian packaging is hard :-/ :-D |
| 18:32.49 | stoned | its a piece of cake |
| 18:32.57 | stew | !be a debian packaging barbie |
| 18:32.57 | dpkg | Aww, debian packaging is HARD! Let's go shopping, stew |
| 18:33.03 | stoned | heh |
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| 18:34.35 | rahul | if it's hard, it can't jiggle |
| 18:34.40 | rahul | jiggles jelly |
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| 18:34.49 | zyx386_ | hi |
| 18:35.12 | jellybaby_2 | Is the spiral really logarithmic? |
| 18:35.20 | zyx386_ | iahev yet debian with gnome, iwell install fluxbox? |
| 18:35.29 | zyx386_ | fluxbox is already installed |
| 18:35.33 | rahul | zyx386_: you can install whatever you want |
| 18:35.36 | jellybaby_2 | or is it a fake |
| 18:35.42 | rahul | it's a fake spiral! |
| 18:35.46 | jellybaby_2 | omg! |
| 18:35.58 | stoned | 'tard. |
| 18:36.00 | zyx386_ | rahul, is already installed |
| 18:36.07 | rahul | zyx386_: congrats |
| 18:36.13 | stoned | wow, rahul you are already installed |
| 18:36.15 | zyx386_ | become this error Make sure you don't have another window manager running. |
| 18:36.16 | stoned | did ya hear that |
| 18:36.20 | rahul | heh |
| 18:36.28 | rahul | zyx386_: man xsession |
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| 18:36.37 | stoned | xman session |
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| 18:36.51 | rahul | nxman sessio |
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| 18:36.58 | rahul | hmm |
| 18:36.59 | stoned | raI decided not to switch to gentoo |
| 18:37.03 | rahul | xmann sessio |
| 18:37.04 | stoned | tab didn't work |
| 18:37.13 | rahul | that's because you're using gentoo |
| 18:37.14 | rahul | duh |
| 18:37.18 | stoned | heh |
| 18:37.22 | zyx386_ | ? |
| 18:37.26 | zyx386_ | xamn session? |
| 18:37.38 | jellybaby_2 | weirdos |
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| 18:37.49 | rahul | namxnoisses |
| 18:37.52 | stoned | zyx386_, man xsession (to read the manpage for the program xsession) |
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| 18:38.10 | stoned | zyx386_, man man (to read the manual page for the manual page) |
| 18:38.26 | stoned | zyx386_, man *anything* |
| 18:38.29 | jelly | rahul, what are you doing? |
| 18:38.32 | zyx386_ | ok |
| 18:38.46 | rahul | jelly: waiting for responses to emails |
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| 18:39.01 | rahul | and listening to deathmask |
| 18:39.07 | stoned | hey |
| 18:39.08 | stoned | you |
| 18:39.13 | rahul | out |
| 18:39.13 | rahul | there |
| 18:39.15 | stoned | jelly, this aint tno social channel |
| 18:39.32 | jelly | stoned: my point exactly |
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| 18:39.57 | rahul | waits for someone to say "in the cold" |
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| 18:41.54 | tomfmason | stoned: in the alsa check list 8 stalls on me(cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp) |
| 18:42.04 | Joelito | just curious, anyone knows the possible date release of debian etch r4? |
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| 18:42.12 | rahul | Joelito: tomorrow |
| 18:42.18 | dvs | yesterday |
| 18:42.23 | rahul | today! |
| 18:42.26 | dvs | now |
| 18:42.31 | rahul | it's possible |
| 18:42.36 | stoned | I believe when acid comes back to town |
| 18:42.39 | stoned | so... never. |
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| 18:43.05 | Joelito | rahul: Really? Oh!, nice, thanks :) |
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| 18:43.08 | rahul | getting lonely |
| 18:43.24 | stew | Joelito: no, ignore them, they don't know |
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| 18:43.46 | stew | Joelito: nothing has been announced yet. but check for responses to this recent message: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2008/05/msg00285.html |
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| 18:44.27 | Joelito | stew: Thanks, you always there, man |
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| 18:44.53 | stew | rahul: dvs: are you guys just giving out mis-information for fun? |
| 18:45.27 | stoned | yeh really |
| 18:45.32 | stoned | rahul, c'mon man |
| 18:46.07 | rahul | heh |
| 18:46.11 | tomfmason | man this is a pita.. I spent all weekend and about two hours today trying to get this damn laptop working |
| 18:46.14 | dvs | stew: No, the information is true. That is a possible release date (well, except for yesterday) |
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| 18:46.47 | stew | dvs: this is not true |
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| 18:47.25 | bAndie91 | hi all |
| 18:48.09 | dvs | stew: Didn't say it was correct, just possible. ;-) |
| 18:48.18 | rahul | better to give an obviously impossible answer to an impossible question than to pretend like there's actually a useful answer |
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| 18:48.38 | bAndie91 | ive a power interrupt, system gone down, reboot, fsck, and some programs says: segmentation fault |
| 18:48.38 | stoned | better to stfu and listen to deathmask or whatever |
| 18:48.41 | stoned | :) |
| 18:48.44 | bAndie91 | wht should i do? |
| 18:48.53 | Joelito | rahul: How about: "We don't know" ;) |
| 18:48.57 | chronic1 | does running a script in cron cause STDOUT to behave differently? I have script which depends on the output of another script....no issues when I run the script on the command line, but things seem to break when ran from cron. |
| 18:48.59 | stew | dvs: rahul: please stop. its is never better to give out false information if you don't know the answer to someone's question |
| 18:49.11 | rahul | Joelito: you already knew that |
| 18:49.23 | stoned | enough dickery man c'mon |
| 18:49.28 | chops | chronic1: More likely it's the effect of $PATH |
| 18:49.42 | chops | chronic1: Can you get a little more information about how things break? |
| 18:49.47 | rahul | Joelito: as is the case with any question about predicting the future. any answer anyone gives will be pure speculation. |
| 18:50.21 | stoned | !penixstrike rahul |
| 18:50.21 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:50.27 | rahul | heh |
| 18:50.32 | stoned | shush. |
| 18:50.35 | rahul | see, who would have predicted that? |
| 18:51.05 | chronic1 | chops: sure. The cron script is very simple. It calls a script and if it prints "valid" to the command line a file is copied. Otherwise it copies another file... |
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| 18:51.33 | chronic1 | chops: from the commandline, everything works properly....from the cron, the valid case never happens :/ |
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| 18:51.45 | chops | chronic1: Can you pastebin your crontab line, and the script that is being called from crontab? |
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| 18:52.32 | chronic1 | sure |
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| 18:53.37 | bAndie91 | ive a power interrupt, system gone down, reboot, fsck, and some programs says: segmentation fault |
| 18:53.40 | bAndie91 | wht should i do? |
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| 18:54.12 | cal | bAndie91: try restarting again, probably |
| 18:54.24 | bAndie91 | really |
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| 18:54.33 | chops | bAndie91: What filesystem? |
| 18:54.37 | bAndie91 | ext2 |
| 18:54.56 | chronic1 | chops: http://pastebin.com/d6f4af238 |
| 18:55.12 | chops | bAndie91: What programs are saying segmentation fault? |
| 18:55.19 | bAndie91 | elinks |
| 18:55.24 | chops | bAndie91: Where is aPerlScript.pl located? |
| 18:55.27 | chops | Er |
| 18:55.33 | chops | chronic1: Where is aPerlScript.pl located? |
| 18:55.41 | chops | bAndie91: Sorry :-) |
| 18:55.43 | chronic1 | chops: /bin/ |
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| 18:56.16 | bAndie91 | but ive reinstalled elinks... after this error |
| 18:56.16 | chops | chronic1: Can you pastebin 'ls -l /bin/aPerlScript.pl'? |
| 18:56.31 | chops | bAndie91: You could try debsums and see if some of your files somehow got corrupted |
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| 18:56.48 | bAndie91 | ?debsums |
| 18:56.57 | chops | !tell bAndie91 about debsums |
| 18:57.00 | chronic1 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 274 2008-05-07 12:22 /bin/aPerlScript.pl |
| 18:57.16 | chronic1 | chops: figured I just paste since it is only 1 line |
| 18:58.02 | chops | chronic1: That's very strange. I would advise adding more debugging to the script that's run from crontab (see what the output of aPerlScript.pl is exactly, try using "open(FOO, 'aPerlScript.pl |');" instead so you can detect errors running the program, etc.) |
| 18:58.38 | chronic1 | chops: as I said, it runs prefectly when I run it on the commandline....but from the cron is an issue |
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| 18:58.54 | chronic1 | wasn't sure if I could rely on STDOUT to print valid |
| 18:58.59 | stew | chronic1: do you know if your cron job is being run at all? |
| 18:59.01 | chops | chronic1: Right, so add the debugging and then run it from cron. |
| 18:59.09 | stew | chronic1: you can rely on stdout |
| 18:59.28 | chronic1 | yeah -- its running....it copies the wrong file every night at midnight |
| 18:59.51 | stew | chronic1: does /bin/aPerlScript.pl rely on any environment variables? |
| 18:59.56 | chops | chronic1: It's a lot more effective to say "Something's wrong, I don't know what, I must narrow down the problem" than "Something's wrong, it must be STDOUT, how could STDOUT be going wrong?" |
| 19:00.13 | chronic1 | chops: yeah, sorry about that |
| 19:00.35 | chops | chronic1: If you don't want to receive email from cron (which is what will happen if you print your debugging to stdout), you can append to a debugging log in /tmp or something |
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| 19:00.47 | chops | chronic1: No, I'm not upset at all by it... I'm just telling you :-) |
| 19:02.51 | olkol | i get "perl: warning: Setting locale failed" and "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory", dpkg-reconfigure locales did not help. What could i do? |
| 19:03.06 | chops | !tell olkol about locales |
| 19:03.23 | chops | olkol: Er, that didn't help... what is your LANG set to? |
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| 19:03.41 | chops | olkol: And do you have the locales package installed? |
| 19:04.33 | olkol | chops: locales is installed, and set to de_DE.UTF-8 |
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| 19:05.04 | chops | olkol: And you have the de_DE.UTF-8 locale configured via dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 19:05.14 | olkol | chops: yes |
| 19:06.05 | iugrina | hello! is there anything else i should do after "dd if=boot.img of=/dev/xxx" to make usb bootable debian installer (kmuto's) |
| 19:06.42 | chops | olkol: Strange. |
| 19:07.23 | olkol | chops: it is |
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| 19:07.46 | asperon | how would i go about creating a home dir for the www-data user? a script i want to run as that user needs a home dir?! |
| 19:08.20 | asperon | or is /var/www its home? seems so from /etc/passwd? |
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| 19:08.55 | Eulex | asperon, correct. |
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| 19:09.38 | Eulex | asperon, the script does perhaps look for a set $HOME though, which it may or may not find when run through cgi |
| 19:09.40 | Hal9000 | where can i find a nice bashrc that enables some colors etc. to the shell? |
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| 19:11.22 | asperon | Eulex: ok, i am running the script via the shell_exec in php, any way i can check to make sure? |
| 19:11.45 | asperon | $HOME is set if a su to www-data |
| 19:12.00 | asperon | could it be that the shell_exec isn't loading the enviroment? |
| 19:12.09 | Eulex | asperon, make the php script print something special if $HOME is set? |
| 19:13.05 | asperon | ill try that |
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| 19:13.45 | Eulex | or just print the contents of it |
| 19:14.03 | asperon | ok, home isn't set, can i just to export HOME=/var/www; my other command, on every call, or? |
| 19:14.23 | stew | Hal9000: in your home directory. perhaps you just need to uncomment "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" |
| 19:14.50 | asperon | hang on, i am stupid, this is a script running from the www-datas crontab |
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| 19:15.06 | asperon | so defining it in there should be ok, right? |
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| 19:15.33 | Eulex | yes |
| 19:15.45 | asperon | thnx, ill give that a try |
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| 19:18.49 | sticki | any idea why the bind package wasnt updated to include the new L root IP address? |
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| 19:21.06 | sticki | L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 3600000 IN A 198.32.64.12 <-- that's wrong |
| 19:21.15 | sticki | it should be 199.7.83.42 |
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| 19:21.17 | ljudkort | What is the easiest way to install a later rTorrent in debian? My tracker doesn't allow the version I'm using |
| 19:21.25 | sticki | compile it? |
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| 19:21.40 | sticki | ./configure && make && make install - done |
| 19:21.51 | ljudkort | sticki, oh, yes... I guess I could do that, is there a place where I can find all the dependencies? |
| 19:21.58 | sticki | On their website |
| 19:22.03 | ljudkort | ok, thanks |
| 19:22.09 | sticki | I know cause I've done it before |
| 19:22.10 | sticki | ;) |
| 19:23.26 | stew | ljudkort: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:24.04 | ljudkort | oh, thanks stew, will look that up! |
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| 19:25.39 | wald0 | sometimes when my computer shutdowns forcely (specially electricity cuts), my partition of reiserfs seems like to lost few data... when its doing the fsck, i see lost inodes and i see configurations that are lost |
| 19:25.40 | stew | sticky: the bind9 package was updated to include the correct address |
| 19:25.42 | zooko | Yay! I just discovered dh_pysupport and dh_pycentral! |
| 19:25.50 | zooko | Except, which one should I use? |
| 19:25.54 | sticky | stew: it was? |
| 19:25.55 | stew | sticky: it currently has: L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 3600000 A 199.7.83.42 |
| 19:26.00 | stew | sticky: yes |
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| 19:26.03 | sticky | weird, mine never updated. |
| 19:26.04 | chops | wald0: The easy answer is not to use resierfs |
| 19:26.12 | stew | sticky: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:26.13 | wald0 | but my JFS hard disk not seems to lost any inode (at least the fsck.jfs command doesn't show me any one too) |
| 19:26.17 | sticky | I had to change all my servers manually |
| 19:26.18 | xingu | hmm, I've done some pretty boneheaded things in my time, but dpkg-reconfigure -a is an all new effort. |
| 19:26.18 | sticky | Etch |
| 19:26.33 | stew | sticky: well etch wouldn't get a new package for something so minor |
| 19:26.52 | wald0 | chops: well, its not exactly a question... im thinkin to switch from REISERFS to JFS, it is a good option ? i don't have experienced any problem with JFS so far in 1 year |
| 19:27.02 | sticky | sticky: question myself updating my boxes up to testing, else I probably would |
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| 19:27.22 | wald0 | is JFS fast too similar at reiser ? |
| 19:27.30 | chops | wald0: ext3 is best if you don't have special needs. Resier is known to be unreliable. I've never used JFS, but I assume it's decent; I've also had decent experience with XFS. |
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| 19:27.56 | stoned | I've a reiser fs for a few years on /home 250gb |
| 19:28.01 | stoned | never any problems |
| 19:28.03 | sesarr | Hello, Is it posslible to start a command (dhcclient) when an ethernet cable is plugged in ? |
| 19:28.08 | wald0 | chops: my experience with XFS is not bad too, but aparently is very dangerous about data lost too |
| 19:28.11 | chops | wald0: A year is a very short time to brag about reliability of a filesystem over :-) |
| 19:28.24 | stoned | chops, since 4 years now |
| 19:28.25 | stoned | :) |
| 19:28.34 | wald0 | chops: well, my experience with ext* all the times that i ahve tried it is that i feel the system more SLOW (than reiserfs) |
| 19:28.42 | sticky | noticed his last sentence failed at making sense |
| 19:28.44 | wald0 | i don't talk about benchmarks, but directly feeling it |
| 19:28.52 | stew | sesarr: have a look at the ifplugd package |
| 19:29.00 | sesarr | thx |
| 19:29.08 | zooko | I have collected a few documents where filesystems researchers examined how various linux filesystems handled errors... |
| 19:29.20 | zooko | http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/Bibliography |
| 19:29.37 | sesarr | i think reiserfs3 is faster handling small files and it doesnt have the check on 33 mounts shit |
| 19:30.10 | stew | we have more people in here with filesystem corruption using reiser than all other filesystems combined. by a lot. |
| 19:30.17 | stoned | wow |
| 19:30.21 | stoned | I'm the lucky one it seems |
| 19:30.41 | chops | sesarr: You can disable the "33 mounts shit" with tune2fs if you prefer |
| 19:30.46 | sesarr | :D |
| 19:30.49 | stoned | lets see how long this rfs /home under constant use last |
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| 19:31.32 | wald0 | stoned: i don't have problems with my reiserfs too since a good number of years... but seems like i lost data sometimes on forced-shutdowns |
| 19:31.34 | solars | hey, how can I re-generate config files with apt? somehow I don't have any postgresl config files |
| 19:31.51 | wald0 | JFS: anybody uses it ? im thinkin to switch from reiserfs to JFS |
| 19:32.05 | stew | well sure if losing data isn't a problem then yeah, maybe reiserfs is fine |
| 19:32.06 | Bushmills | wald0: i'm using jfs |
| 19:32.07 | wald0 | aparently the better options (in performance too, not only stability) are XFS and JFS |
| 19:32.18 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:32.20 | stoned | never lost data |
| 19:32.31 | stoned | i just get high sometimes and occassionally drunk enough to delete my /home |
| 19:32.35 | stoned | but thats not rfs fault |
| 19:32.38 | stew | solars: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:32.39 | wald0 | Bushmills: what your personal feedback about JFS ? my external HD uses JFS and never had any kind of problem with it |
| 19:32.46 | Rienzilla | tahts what backups are for :) |
| 19:32.58 | solars | stew, thanks |
| 19:33.07 | wald0 | !jfs |
| 19:33.08 | dpkg | [jfs] Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!, or http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ |
| 19:33.14 | Bushmills | wald0: very reliable. scanning dirs with a lot of files in is a bit slow. other than that, no issues. |
| 19:33.25 | Rienzilla | the worst thing i've done is try to remove *~ from a directory when logged in from a windows machine with a dutch locale :) |
| 19:34.39 | wald0 | Bushmills: well... seems perfectly a good candidate... do you had experienced any lost of data in forced-shutdowns ? when my computer are rebooted forcely I see inodes lost on my ReiserFS (and also i see configurations of applications lost on my system too), the FSCK of JFS doesn't show any inode lost and from my knowledgement there's not any data lost |
| 19:35.40 | Bushmills | wald0: not all partitions are jds here. my root and system is ext3, home and wild mounted 2nd drive are jfs. |
| 19:36.03 | Bushmills | wald0: no. never any loss. |
| 19:36.08 | zooko | walkd0: neither reiserfs nor JFS journal all of the data, I think, which means anytime you do a forced shutdown you might lose data with either of them. |
| 19:36.18 | zooko | There may be subtle differences in how likely such lossage is. |
| 19:36.24 | zooko | But neither one is designed to be loss-free in that case. |
| 19:36.50 | zooko | Does anyone know whether python-support or python-central are more,um, good and widely used tools? |
| 19:36.54 | wald0 | Bushmills: do you have any feedback about XFS vs. JFS ? |
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| 19:37.27 | Bushmills | and i had a number of forced shutdown ... at times my electrical power supply wasn't stable, had short blackouts almost daily for a while. that has improved now. |
| 19:37.32 | stew | zyx386_: yes, there are few if any python packages which don't use them. and the current trend is moving more packages from -central to -support |
| 19:37.37 | stew | zooko: ^^^^ |
| 19:37.41 | stew | zyx386_: sorry, ignore that |
| 19:37.47 | Bushmills | waldo0, for froced shutdown, xfs is not ideal. |
| 19:37.49 | zooko | stew: thanks! |
| 19:37.50 | Bushmills | forced |
| 19:37.58 | zyx386_ | hi have lenny, with gnome, yet installes fluxbox, and will start with fluxbox nor more gnome |
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| 19:38.04 | Bushmills | does only write meta data to journal, not the file data itself. |
| 19:38.08 | zooko | You can't have guaranteed data safety along with forced shutdown unless you journal al lthe data |
| 19:38.21 | zooko | which means basically writing all the data twice, which means basically cutting your write performance in half. |
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| 19:38.30 | zooko | One of the linux filesystems, I think maybe ext3, offers that options. |
| 19:38.32 | zooko | The others don't. |
| 19:38.33 | Bushmills | is not as bad as reiser which seems to cross link files, but you end up having files with zeroes in |
| 19:39.04 | solars | stew, hm still no config files for postgresql-8.3, and the init.d script does nothing? wtf |
| 19:39.04 | stew | zooko: yes, ext3 offers that as an option (not normally enabled) |
| 19:39.18 | Bushmills | zooko: "performance half" wrong. only when writing permanently |
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| 19:39.44 | zooko | Bushmills: that's why I said "basically"... ;-) |
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| 19:39.44 | stew | solars: where are you looking for config files? |
| 19:39.52 | solars | stew, in /etc/postgresql/<version> |
| 19:40.03 | zooko | So, I'm trying to extend the stdeb tool to produce proper .deb's from setup.py files in Python projects. |
| 19:40.10 | zyx386_ | can every one tell me :) |
| 19:40.17 | zooko | In particular, it currentlyu doesn't seem to detect which other Python packages a given Python package requires. |
| 19:40.18 | stew | solars: what command did you run to try to restore them? |
| 19:40.23 | zooko | Does python-support help wqith that? |
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| 19:40.51 | stew | zooko: no |
| 19:40.57 | wald0 | Bushmills: so, JFS does a correct writting if there's a forced shutdown ? better than reiser and XFS ? |
| 19:41.04 | solars | stew, the aptitude command the bot gave me, I tried reinstalling it about 15 times before, don't get any working init.d script and no config files :/ |
| 19:41.21 | Bushmills | zooko: journalling can contribute to speed up writes. a: addressing all journal requires few head movements, b: files writes are usually optimized, such as minimizing head movements when transferring to data space. |
| 19:41.34 | zooko | stew: so, dh_shlibdeps figures out binary dependencies for you. There is currently nothing that figures out Python dependencies, right? |
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| 19:42.05 | zooko | Bushmills: what you say is true, but still the cost of journalling data is so high that all but one fs do not even offer the option, if I recall correctly, and the one that does offer the option has it off by default. |
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| 19:42.29 | Bushmills | wald0: jds journalles, like ext3, also file data. and completes the not completed writes when testing file system state, |
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| 19:42.45 | stew | zooko: that is correct as far as i know |
| 19:42.52 | flixil | Is there any patch added to the debian kernels that prevent me from exporting sys_call_table recompiling the kernel and then changing the sys_call_table from a module? |
| 19:43.06 | zooko | stew: actually, the setup.py already has the names of the Python "distributions" (i.e. Python packages, such as you can find at the Python Package Index) that are required. |
| 19:43.11 | Bushmills | zooko: increasing journal size can help |
| 19:43.28 | zooko | So really all I need to do is, given the name of a Python distribution, figure out which Debian package provides it. |
| 19:43.38 | zooko | Bushmills: did you say that JFS journals file data? That's interesting. |
| 19:43.57 | Bushmills | zooko: yes, like ext3. but unlike xfs |
| 19:43.59 | zooko | stew: one way I could do that is with apt-file, and just look for the $distribution.egg-info file. |
| 19:44.08 | zooko | Bushmills: so I was wrong to say that only one fs offered the option. |
| 19:44.18 | zooko | Was I also wrong to say that no fs has that option turned on by default? |
| 19:44.36 | zooko | I would guess that both ext3 and JFS have that option off by default -- they do metadata-only journalling. |
| 19:44.37 | stew | solars: it looks like it additionally puts sample config files in /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/ you could copy them from there |
| 19:45.04 | stew | zooko: you might want to ask about this in #debian-python on irc.debian.org |
| 19:45.09 | Bushmills | zooko: that's not what i though to be the case for both ext3 and jfs |
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| 19:45.27 | solars | stew, somehow I don't even have binaries in addition to the missing init script |
| 19:45.30 | zooko | stew: thanks! |
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| 19:45.52 | stew | solars: which init script is missing? |
| 19:46.10 | solars | stew, /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 does nothing |
| 19:46.11 | stew | solars: which binaries are missing? |
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| 19:46.53 | Bushmills | wald0: there is one case where jfs performs better than ext3 (or reiser, for that matter). when the drive runs out of space. ext3 tends to drop some of its capacity when that happens., reiser does so even more. |
| 19:47.03 | Bac0n | ntp for clients is it openntpd or ntp ? |
| 19:47.12 | stew | solars: can you run "bash -x /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start" and show us the results? ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:47.16 | Bushmills | jds returns to original capacity, on the byte. |
| 19:47.18 | Bushmills | jfs |
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| 19:48.15 | solars | stew, http://pastie.caboo.se/199729 |
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| 19:48.26 | solars | stew, I think I looked in the wrong place for the binaries |
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| 19:48.42 | solars | stew, but it's weird that I don't get any config files at all |
| 19:49.15 | stew | solars: oh, yeah so it's quitting becuase /etc/postgresql/8.3 doesn't exist |
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| 19:49.32 | solars | stew, I'll copy an existing dir and try if this works |
| 19:50.16 | flixil | where can i see what patches are added to a debian kernel? |
| 19:51.06 | stew | flixil: apt-cache search -n linux-patch-debian |
| 19:52.07 | solars | stew, gnah now I get Starting PostgreSQL 8.3 database server: main* Error: /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main is not accessible or does not exist |
| 19:52.12 | flixil | stew i mean what patches are already applied to a linux_image that debian provides |
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| 19:53.05 | stew | flixil: yes, that's what I thought you meant |
| 19:53.28 | flixil | stew: ohh now i see :) i mean thanks you very much |
| 19:54.12 | xingu | swears at racoon some more |
| 19:55.03 | troubled | streuner: yes? |
| 19:55.20 | streuner | troubled: fun! |
| 19:55.43 | streuner | troubled: Don't worry, be happy! :-) |
| 19:55.50 | troubled | streuner: did you have something to say in there? |
| 19:56.07 | streuner | no |
| 19:56.14 | flixil | stew: the description of the patch says "Note that these patches do NOT apply against a pristine Linux 2.6.24 kernel" then what's the difference between a kernel downloaded from kernel.org and a kernel tarball linux-2.6_2.6.24.orig.tar.gz from the debian archive? |
| 19:56.16 | streuner | just a joke |
| 19:56.19 | troubled | streuner: not sure how to take that |
| 19:56.42 | streuner | toubled: take that really serious :-) |
| 19:57.13 | solars | stew, alright, I got it |
| 19:57.18 | wald0 | Bushmills: thanks for your comments, looks like JFS is a good option :) do you recommend me any special mount option than the default ones ? |
| 19:57.18 | troubled | streuner: is that how you intended it? |
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| 19:57.58 | Bushmills | wald0: not really. just defaults here. |
| 19:58.06 | wald0 | Bushmills: a friend is just telling me that he has lost a whole JFS partition because the "lack of tools"... but im not sure what he has do and how, to lost it |
| 19:58.13 | streuner | troubled: [ ] you have humor |
| 19:58.52 | Bushmills | wald0: tools or lack don't cause loss of partitions. |
| 19:59.24 | troubled | streuner: sorry, just not following how "< streuner> fuck troubled" can be taken as a joke when you leave the channel shortly after pasting it |
| 19:59.38 | Bushmills | wald0: for recovery, not sure what he had needed when a fsck didn't help |
| 19:59.52 | stew | flixil: probably that debian removes stuff from the kernel.org kernel that is non-free |
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| 20:00.10 | stew | flixil: but this should be easy to verify |
| 20:00.13 | wald0 | Bushmills: he says that fsck didn't help to recover the data |
| 20:00.54 | flixil | stew: i see :) probably nothing else then thanks i'll take a look |
| 20:01.03 | Bushmills | wald0: how did he mess it up? if messed up properly, tools can't do magic. |
| 20:01.55 | Bushmills | waldo, i do keep backups. hopefully i never need to use "tools" |
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| 20:02.51 | wald0 | Bushmills: well, of course that's the better way :), i have a 2º HD where i do rsync's of the first one |
| 20:03.06 | wald0 | mmh... is there any "timemachine" kind/similar tool for linux ? |
| 20:03.16 | valdyn | wald0: yes |
| 20:03.24 | valdyn | wald0: various |
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| 20:03.39 | valdyn | wald0: but most are without GUI |
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| 20:05.16 | zyx386_ | ihave now fluxbox, and is default session , can i remove gnome? |
| 20:05.23 | mimcpher | yes zykes- |
| 20:05.29 | mimcpher | er zyx386_ |
| 20:05.33 | valdyn | none yet that needs close to zero time for a snapshot afaik, btrfs will fix that though |
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| 20:06.02 | zyx386_ | mimcpher, aptitude remove gnome |
| 20:06.49 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 20:06.49 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common |
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| 20:08.05 | juba | Hi, could somebody help me with an alt-gr key not working anymore under X after a testing dist-upgrade ? |
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| 20:10.50 | fenrir | helllo |
| 20:11.24 | fenrir | Linux wolfie 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux <- could someone tell me how can i update kernel ? |
| 20:11.34 | fenrir | or is that the newest one |
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| 20:12.07 | stew | fenrir: what version of the linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 package is installed? |
| 20:12.14 | wald0 | valdyn: can you recommend me one ? |
| 20:12.29 | fenrir | stew: took it from KDE's site |
| 20:12.29 | fenrir | s |
| 20:12.32 | fenrir | some etch |
| 20:12.32 | fenrir | one |
| 20:12.45 | fenrir | and can i check my version w/ sum command |
| 20:13.09 | stew | fenrir: what does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" return? |
| 20:13.29 | valdyn | wald0: dirvish |
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| 20:13.41 | fenrir | stew: sec writing on console |
| 20:13.41 | sa | i need help to setting pc config for a ltsp/srss debian server!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 20:14.15 | fenrir | No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.18-6.686. |
| 20:14.31 | stew | fenrir: what does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" return? |
| 20:15.13 | fenrir | shall i flood it here |
| 20:15.17 | fenrir | or to query ? |
| 20:15.23 | abrotman | just the last line |
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| 20:15.26 | stew | fenrir: just show us the last line output |
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| 20:15.46 | fenrir | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18.dfsg.1- Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 20:15.55 | stew | bah |
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| 20:16.22 | fenrir | stew: ? |
| 20:16.34 | stew | fenrir: that's probably the latest version officially produced. assuming that "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" show that it is actually "2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch4" |
| 20:16.54 | stew | fenrir: if you need something newer than 2.6.18, there is a soon to be officially released updated kernel for etch: /msg dpkg etchandahalf |
| 20:17.02 | stew | err |
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| 20:17.11 | stew | what is the factoid? |
| 20:17.18 | stew | !etchnhalf |
| 20:17.19 | dpkg | methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 20:17.25 | stew | fenrir: ^^ |
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| 20:17.52 | fenrir | so u mean i need to reinstall ? :S |
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| 20:18.05 | stew | fenrir: no |
| 20:18.13 | wald0 | thx, and thanks to Bushmills too for the good comments :) |
| 20:18.26 | Bushmills | yw |
| 20:18.27 | fenrir | stew: that image just updates ? |
| 20:18.27 | enn | Hello. dist-upgrade clobbered my index.html. Is there any chance a copy of the old version was stored somewhere? |
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| 20:18.43 | stew | fenrir: forget that image |
| 20:19.09 | fenrir | so check the wiki page ? |
| 20:19.11 | Eulex | !literal etchandahalf |
| 20:19.11 | dpkg | "etchandahalf" is "<reply> see etchnhalf" |
| 20:19.14 | Eulex | there you go. |
| 20:19.24 | valdyn | enn: umm? |
| 20:19.30 | Bushmills | erin, yes, it is stored in your backup |
| 20:19.35 | valdyn | enn: which file do you think got "clobbered" ? |
| 20:19.37 | stew | fenrir: http://wiki.debian.org/StableProposedUpdates |
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| 20:20.04 | enn | valdyn: /var/www/index.html. |
| 20:20.15 | enn | valdyn: It was replaced with the "it works!" default. |
| 20:20.28 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Hello, debian users |
| 20:20.34 | valdyn | enn: did you look at the actual file? |
| 20:20.34 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | I need some advice |
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| 20:20.40 | enn | valdyn: Yes. |
| 20:20.44 | valdyn | !find www/index.html |
| 20:20.45 | streuner | just ask then |
| 20:20.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'www/index.html' (6 of 16): (/var/www/info2www/index.html) in doc/info2www ;; (/usr/share/cgiirc/www/index.html) in net/cgiirc ;; (/usr/share/polipo/www/index.html) in web/polipo ;; (/usr/share/doc/smb2www/index.html) in net/smb2www ;; (/usr/share/couchdb/www/index.html) in misc/couchdb ;; (/usr/share/doc/mpi-doc/www/index.html) in doc/mpi-doc. |
| 20:20.54 | Level1Tech | Howdy folks |
| 20:20.58 | enn | valdyn: The file is definitely gone. |
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| 20:21.04 | valdyn | !find var/www/index.html |
| 20:21.06 | fenrir | i cant get any packages from apt-get :o |
| 20:21.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'var/www/index.html' (2): (/usr/share/doc/kernel-patch-wrr/examples/var/www/index.html) in devel/kernel-patch-wrr ;; (/var/www/{index.html.de|index.html.en|index.html.es|...}) in misc/debian-edu-config. |
| 20:21.11 | stew | enn: are you sure the 'it works' file is /var/www/index.html and not /var/www/apache2-default/index.html ? |
| 20:21.11 | Bushmills | erin, i *think* it is the apache2 config which did that, and the file is unharmed |
| 20:21.21 | stew | fenrir: why not? |
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| 20:21.26 | Level1Tech | Would someone please direct me to a debian etch raid howto....thanks |
| 20:21.30 | enn | stew: yes. There is no /var/www/apache2-default/index.html on my system. |
| 20:21.31 | stew | _s_a_t_a_n_: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 20:21.38 | Bushmills | because, iirc, apache2 puts its default html into /var/www/default |
| 20:21.39 | stew | enn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:21.42 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | I need some kind of a live cd to install gentoo. But the problem is that gentoo livecd and knoppix cannot boot on my hardware. Some problems with detecting SATA interface. Could you help me choose a debian live cd for my system??? |
| 20:21.42 | fenrir | stew: it doesnt find em |
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| 20:22.03 | streuner | !gentoosmite _s_a_t_a_n_> |
| 20:22.03 | dpkg | spends 9 weeks recompiling _s_a_t_a_n_>, and when it's all done, _s_a_t_a_n_> runs 2% slower than previously |
| 20:22.05 | stew | _s_a_t_a_n_: debian doens't have a livecd. there is an unofficial one at live.debian.net |
| 20:22.10 | enn | stew: lenny |
| 20:22.19 | stew | fenrir: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:22.34 | streuner | _s_a_t_a_n_: dude, dont troll! |
| 20:22.56 | fenrir | stew: command of: |
| 20:23.03 | fenrir | what to type now on console.. |
| 20:23.11 | olkol | _s_a_t_a_n_: perhaps try sidux |
| 20:23.35 | Level1Tech | Would someone please direct me to a debian etch raid howto....thanks |
| 20:23.38 | jlaw | has anyone by chance encountered problems with devede 3.7 in etch/lenny/sid that it is stopping (not unresponsive) at 100% of video conversion when creating a dvd? |
| 20:23.41 | streuner | olkol: are you insane, in order to install gentoo, in #debian? |
| 20:23.43 | stew | fenrir: show us what apt-get command you typed and the actual output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:23.43 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | alkol could you provide me a link of the official site of sidux? |
| 20:23.49 | Bushmills | _s_a_t_a_n_: why you ask for a debian live cd which don't seem to work, to install gentoo, is a puzzle to me. |
| 20:23.51 | stew | _s_a_t_a_n_: ask #sidux |
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| 20:24.07 | Bushmills | _s_a_t_a_n_: try #suse |
| 20:24.25 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Bushmills one can install gentoo from no matter what livecd. I need only a livecd console. It down't matter what live cd to use |
| 20:24.33 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Bushmills ok, thanx |
| 20:24.40 | Bushmills | _s_a_t_a_n_: then use one which works. and not one which doesn't |
| 20:24.47 | fenrir | stew if you understand finnish somehow |
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| 20:25.27 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | Bushmills thanx for info, I'll search for another working livecd |
| 20:25.30 | Bushmills | i'd use tomsrtbt |
| 20:25.31 | olkol | _s_a_t_a_n_: www.sidux.com |
| 20:25.37 | Bushmills | tomsrtbt |
| 20:25.41 | enn | Bushmills: It did change the configuration. I've changed it back. The index.html file, however, is gone. |
| 20:25.42 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | thnx alkol |
| 20:25.51 | fenrir | stew: the console messages are in .fi |
| 20:26.09 | stew | enn: the /var/www/index.html file is changed or it is missing? |
| 20:26.13 | enn | is changed |
| 20:26.17 | Bushmills | enn: unlikely. i don't know of any package writing /var/www/index.html |
| 20:26.29 | stew | enn: what does "dpkg -S /var/www/index.html" return? |
| 20:26.31 | enn | Well, I didn't put an "It works" file there. |
| 20:26.39 | bonez45 | where can I find a good example of how to set up /etc/network/interfaces and how to use wireless-tools to help with that? |
| 20:26.52 | stew | bonez45: man wireless ; man interfaces |
| 20:27.09 | Bushmills | doesn't mean there isn't one. but ... those files are your work - you put effort into them. don't you have a backup? |
| 20:27.10 | enn | stew: Not found. |
| 20:27.13 | streuner | bonez45: depends what kind of chipset you have, too |
| 20:27.19 | bonez45 | stew: ah, I was going to ask earlier but you had left..... |
| 20:27.45 | stew | i left? |
| 20:27.55 | streuner | stew never left! |
| 20:28.04 | stew | enn: then i dont' believe that dist-upgrade changed this file |
| 20:28.58 | enn | stew: Well, OK. Is there anywhere that I can see what it did change? |
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| 20:29.12 | enn | /var/log/dpkg.log doesn't seem to have much detail. |
| 20:29.33 | stew | enn: "dpkg -L packagename" would list the files installed by a given package |
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| 20:29.59 | stew | enn: can you upload the contents of /var/www/index.html to http://paste.debian.net/ (there is a browse button at the bottom) |
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| 20:30.47 | enn | stew: http://paste.debian.net/3588/ |
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| 20:32.50 | bonez45 | streuner: ok, my chipset info is Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless |
| 20:33.04 | bonez45 | streuner: not sure if that provides the chipset info....but that's from lspci |
| 20:33.34 | stew | enn: oh, actaully yes, apacche2.2-common copies this file there if no /var/www/index.html exists |
| 20:33.56 | Bushmills | enn, you're sure you haven't accidently installed the ubuntu version of apache2? as its default seems to be /var/www |
| 20:34.06 | stew | enn: so it's not that the file was changed, its that the file didn't exist, and was created by the apache2.2-common package in postinst |
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| 20:34.16 | stew | Bushmills: the debian package does this |
| 20:34.17 | Bushmills | debian's isn't - it is /var/www/default |
| 20:34.38 | stew | Bushmills: debian's does |
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| 20:35.03 | enn | stew: OK, hmm. It's possible that my index was the one in apache2-default (some images it used are there) and is now gone ... can't imagine the package upgrade would have done that, so now I'm just confused. |
| 20:35.29 | stew | enn: the upgrade wouldn't have removed a file or changed a file, but it would have created the file if it didn't already exist |
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| 20:37.21 | bonez45 | streuner: does that info help at all? |
| 20:37.35 | enn | stew: thanks |
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| 20:39.42 | Nightwolf | hi, i mounted a iso (with mount -o loop) and now i can see its contents on the linux box but not via nfs, can someone explain me why? |
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| 20:40.26 | orioniorioni | i want to do dynamic updates of reverse dns lookkup for my pppoe users |
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| 20:41.13 | holdenSK | Nightwolf: is mountpoint among exports? |
| 20:41.18 | holdenSK | showmount -e |
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| 20:41.28 | valdyn | Nightwolf: you need to export the mountpoint, not a parent directory |
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| 20:42.14 | Nightwolf | valdyn: i'll try, can you explain the technical reason a bit? |
| 20:42.21 | bostjan | hello |
| 20:42.25 | bostjan | i figured it out |
| 20:42.29 | bostjan | that ntfs.sys error is a virus |
| 20:42.42 | bostjan | i took the comp to a friend |
| 20:42.47 | bostjan | hes stuck as me now |
| 20:42.52 | Bushmills | linux virus in the wild?? |
| 20:43.00 | bostjan | no virus is on wins |
| 20:43.03 | bostjan | argh |
| 20:43.29 | valdyn | Nightwolf: not really, but you will probably notice that mount --bind will just aswell not get sub mount points |
| 20:43.33 | webPragmatist | how do you add an already existing user to an already existing group with debian? |
| 20:43.35 | bostjan | ok now i was thinking .. format entire ntfs partition with ext3 for example |
| 20:43.45 | webPragmatist | i tried adduser -G user group |
| 20:43.54 | stew | webPragmatist: adduser username groupname |
| 20:44.04 | bostjan | whats command for formatting hda1 ? |
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| 20:44.19 | webPragmatist | ok nm |
| 20:44.19 | flixil | bostjan: formating to ext3 for instance? |
| 20:44.23 | bostjan | i wanna format it to some linux partition so the virus is gone |
| 20:44.27 | bostjan | yes flixil |
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| 20:44.41 | valdyn | !format |
| 20:44.41 | dpkg | format is, like, probably what you should do to your Windows(tm) box, or what you should do to your MacOS box, or what you should do to your LinuxPPC box, or what you should do to your RedHat box, or what you should do to your Mandrake box, or what you should do to your SuSE box |
| 20:44.43 | bostjan | its a horrible virus though |
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| 20:44.59 | Nightwolf | valdyn: doesn't work |
| 20:45.16 | bostjan | it doesnt allow recovery console .. it wont install new windowssystems 98 2000 xp |
| 20:45.23 | mathrick | hi, what data resides in /var/lib/postgresql/$version/ ? |
| 20:45.43 | mathrick | ie. I have a leftover /8.2/ dir which I'd like to remove to conserve space |
| 20:45.47 | bostjan | and it infects other compsjust by plugging in the comp even on slave |
| 20:45.55 | bostjan | err hd |
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| 20:46.26 | bostjan | i have no other choice but to format everything |
| 20:46.39 | valdyn | Nightwolf: what doesnt work? did you restart nfs? |
| 20:46.42 | bostjan | whats the command for format ? |
| 20:46.46 | Nightwolf | oh i see |
| 20:47.00 | Nightwolf | there's a problem with the access rights |
| 20:47.08 | stew | bostjan: mkfs |
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| 20:47.15 | mathrick | and, speaking of removing, what is the proper way to purge that dir? |
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| 20:47.33 | zamba | the fact that the host key of a system is vulnerable, doesn't make the system exploitable? it's just more open for man-in-the-middle attacks, right? |
| 20:47.33 | stew | mathrick: aptitude purge packagename |
| 20:47.43 | bostjan | stew i writejust mkfs |
| 20:47.50 | mathrick | stew: that doesn't purge /var/lib |
| 20:47.52 | stew | bostjan: 'man mkfs' |
| 20:47.53 | mathrick | hmm |
| 20:47.56 | Nightwolf | it says owner 4294967295 |
| 20:48.00 | Bushmills | bostjan: do you happen to know whether that virus is a boot sector virus? |
| 20:48.00 | mathrick | wait, I did remove, true |
| 20:48.14 | bostjan | hm its ahorrible one |
| 20:48.15 | Nightwolf | what does that mean? ;-) |
| 20:48.16 | bostjan | um |
| 20:48.19 | Bushmills | bostjan: because if it is, formatting a partition won't help |
| 20:48.35 | stew | mathrick: yes it does |
| 20:48.36 | bostjan | hm |
| 20:48.48 | bostjan | what if i destroy the partition ? |
| 20:48.53 | bostjan | make new ones? |
| 20:48.54 | holdenSK | Nightwolf: paste /etc/exports |
| 20:49.03 | mathrick | stew: yeah, I realised that a second later |
| 20:49.14 | Bushmills | you'd need to replace the boot code. for example, installing a boot loader to MBR does this. |
| 20:49.31 | bostjan | ok i need to format everything there is .. memory hd everything lol |
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| 20:49.39 | valdyn | bostjan: no |
| 20:49.45 | Bushmills | but secondary bootstrap code may sit in partition. |
| 20:49.46 | valdyn | bostjan: you dont need to format at all |
| 20:50.00 | bostjan | im formatting everything ! |
| 20:50.05 | Bushmills | though not used with linux boot loaders. that's the code executed when setting a partition "active" |
| 20:50.08 | bostjan | ive had enough of this sh.. |
| 20:50.28 | bostjan | sec lemme log on on that comp |
| 20:50.31 | valdyn | bostjan: you just need to overwrite the mbr and delete all files on that ntfs partition ( which can be accomplished by formatting but is not required ) |
| 20:50.57 | Level1Tech | whats the best linux distro for mailservers |
| 20:51.05 | valdyn | Level1Tech: debian |
| 20:51.10 | Rat409 | lol |
| 20:51.11 | mathrick | stew: thanks |
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| 20:51.15 | stew | Level1Tech: we're big fans of debian |
| 20:51.20 | Level1Tech | Yeah me too |
| 20:51.39 | Level1Tech | what mta do you think is best |
| 20:51.56 | valdyn | !start an mta war |
| 20:51.56 | dpkg | postfix has an evil license |
| 20:51.57 | format_c | religious question! |
| 20:51.59 | stew | Level1Tech: exim or postfix are the most common recommendations |
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| 20:52.19 | Level1Tech | whats the evil license comment about |
| 20:52.24 | autojack | personally, I prefer my MTA that I wrote by hand in fortran. |
| 20:52.30 | stew | Level1Tech: it was meant as a joke, you can ignore that comment |
| 20:52.31 | Level1Tech | I was going to go with postfix |
| 20:52.31 | autojack | it's superior to every other MTA. |
| 20:52.33 | abrotman | Level1Tech: its a joke .. ignore the bot |
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| 20:52.42 | Rat409 | mutt? |
| 20:52.43 | Level1Tech | oh...duh |
| 20:52.45 | Level1Tech | lol |
| 20:52.59 | stew | Rat409: mutt is an MUA not an MTA |
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| 20:53.07 | Rat409 | true |
| 20:53.20 | bostjan | ok |
| 20:53.27 | Rat409 | my mistake |
| 20:53.29 | bostjan | pls tell me howi format everything |
| 20:53.34 | format_c | autojack, propretary code does not save you from exploiting bugs |
| 20:53.36 | bostjan | im in ubuntu now tho |
| 20:53.43 | abrotman | bostjan: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:53.47 | Nightwolf | thanks for the help, bye |
| 20:53.47 | stew | bostjan: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 20:53.50 | bostjan | k |
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| 20:53.56 | format_c | Level1Tech, I like exim4 but hard to configure for beginners |
| 20:54.25 | Level1Tech | Ive used sendmail in the past, and recently started working with postfix |
| 20:54.49 | Bushmills | came as quite a relieve i reckon |
| 20:54.54 | Level1Tech | I considered exim, but I think the postfix documentation and support is more abundant |
| 20:55.06 | stew | Level1Tech: postfix is a fine choice, if you are more familiar with it than exim there would be no reason not to use postfix. |
| 20:55.45 | Level1Tech | What i really need is a gui for managing users |
| 20:56.17 | format_c | Level1Tech, choose mysql backend for auth and build your own GUI |
| 20:56.27 | Bushmills | graphical editor to edit virtual not a nice gui? |
| 20:56.37 | Level1Tech | yeah, I could do that.... |
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| 20:57.36 | Level1Tech | Yay! "Rebooting into your new system" |
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| 21:01.14 | martian67 | why when i use a c program that is setuid |
| 21:01.16 | martian67 | to root |
| 21:01.21 | martian67 | and i run a system() call |
| 21:01.27 | martian67 | it gets set as "daemon" |
| 21:01.29 | martian67 | not root? |
| 21:01.35 | martian67 | the uid that is |
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| 21:04.35 | Doctor_grijander | #war3z |
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| 21:05.01 | Rat409 | that was odd |
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| 21:07.51 | stew | RichiH: LoRez see Doctor_grijander above ^^ |
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| 21:11.45 | bostjan | is this correct ? mkfs.ext3 /media/hda1 ? |
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| 21:12.02 | Level1Tech | I need some help with mirroring a drive in debian |
| 21:12.19 | format_c | Level1Tech, what kind of mirroring? |
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| 21:12.22 | format_c | remote or locally? |
| 21:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: you probably mean "/dev/hda1"? |
| 21:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what kind of help? :) |
| 21:13.19 | bostjan | no cutmedown it says hda1 is mounted on media/hda1 |
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| 21:13.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | format_c: and I wouldn't take advice from someone with your nick when I want to mirror something ;) |
| 21:13.30 | Level1Tech | local..I have two sata drives |
| 21:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: do you know what mkfs.ext3 does? |
| 21:13.51 | bostjan | yeah |
| 21:13.55 | Eulex | bostjan, umh, you can't format a mounted partition |
| 21:14.04 | bostjan | formats my mainpartition where virus is |
| 21:14.07 | Level1Tech | cutmeownthroat...lol, yeah thats why I chose this nick.. |
| 21:14.08 | bostjan | toext3 |
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| 21:14.33 | Eulex | bostjan, (1) unmount it (2) point mkfs to the device file of the partition |
| 21:14.40 | format_c | Level1Tech, dd if=/dev/hdax of=/dev/hdbx |
| 21:14.43 | format_c | for example |
| 21:15.08 | bostjan | k |
| 21:15.21 | bostjan | so mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 ? |
| 21:15.30 | bostjan | after i unmount it |
| 21:15.42 | format_c | CutMeOwnThroat, I think following my nick is a must ;) |
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| 21:15.51 | bostjan | but if its unmounted how i format unmountedpartition ? |
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| 21:16.12 | format_c | use /dev/hdx |
| 21:16.14 | bostjan | hm |
| 21:16.14 | Level1Tech | formatc: is that just a backup command? I want to create a raid mirror using two sata drives. |
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| 21:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: as I said... |
| 21:16.29 | eolo999 | hi, i always forget which package provide pdflatex, someone can help me? |
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| 21:16.35 | bostjan | i unmountd hda1 first ? okbrb |
| 21:16.37 | format_c | Level1Tech, ah you want to establish a multiple disk |
| 21:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: and I don't think you really know what mkfs.ext3 does... else the question wouldn't arise (no offense meant) |
| 21:17.06 | Level1Tech | raid level 1 |
| 21:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: and yes to "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1" |
| 21:17.38 | format_c | cant say it just ofhand |
| 21:17.46 | format_c | Level1Tech, did you google for it? |
| 21:18.12 | neoark | anyone using rtorrent |
| 21:18.23 | neoark | doesn't the apt-get package allow encryption |
| 21:18.23 | bostjan | ok i unmounted hda1(c:) |
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| 21:18.38 | Level1Tech | yeah, but all I found was some bs ...I was just looking for a quick answer, like the package name ... |
| 21:18.40 | bostjan | k i go mkfs |
| 21:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: mkfs.ext3 writes an empty filesystem to a partition. /dev/hda1 contains the partition /media/hda1 would be a place where you mount this partition - so the place in your directory tree where you can see the files which are on the file system which is on the partition in /dev/hda1 |
| 21:19.54 | bostjan | it says writing inode tables |
| 21:20.00 | bostjan | 300/500 |
| 21:20.06 | bostjan | its counting them |
| 21:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bostjan: so mkfs.ext3 /meda/hda1/ doesnt make any sense, because /media/hda1/ is a directory, not a file - and as such you couldn't write a filesystem into it... |
| 21:20.13 | bostjan | so this isformatting ? |
| 21:20.13 | format_c | Level1Tech, fist you nee raidutils |
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| 21:20.46 | Level1Tech | ok...Ill start by looking that up |
| 21:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | format_c: your nick + a question on mirroring reminds me strongly on one of the first bofh's.... backup to /dev/null ... 95 seconds.... done |
| 21:21.13 | bostjan | k |
| 21:21.19 | bostjan | i read what uwrote |
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| 21:21.27 | bostjan | thanks for help cutmedown |
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| 21:21.54 | bostjan | after mkfs is finished .. i need the commandtoformat mbr or memory coz virus might be there |
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| 21:22.02 | format_c | CutMeOwnThroat, not too loud. Some could hear you. |
| 21:22.22 | format_c | Level1Tech, but its not a trivial topic |
| 21:23.28 | bostjan | it says writing superblocks and adding inforamtion .. done |
| 21:23.32 | Eulex | bostjan, what boot loader are you using? |
| 21:23.33 | bostjan | i think itsfinished |
| 21:23.40 | bostjan | umm eulex |
| 21:23.44 | Fr33_50fTw4r3zZz | msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 21:23.44 | Fr33_50fTw4r3zZz | oops |
| 21:23.44 | Fr33_50fTw4r3zZz | nvm that |
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| 21:23.47 | sgmadison | i'm using ipmasq/dnsmasq - all clients behind the debian box can ping out, howveer they cannot browse the internet or connect (say, for debian package updates, or anything else) - any ideas of where to start? |
| 21:23.48 | Eulex | bostjan, 'format memory'? |
| 21:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: was that "raid on sata drive"? |
| 21:23.58 | bostjan | 2 ntfs loaders 1 debian and 1 ubuntu loader |
| 21:24.04 | Level1Tech | format: most of my experience is with windows and Ive built several severs using either hardware or software raid. I understand it, but Ive never done it in linux |
| 21:24.08 | bostjan | not sure which one is the main one atm |
| 21:24.22 | bostjan | ubuntu was installed last |
| 21:24.26 | bostjan | prolly grub |
| 21:24.30 | Sebboh | The MidnightCommander uses a variable called other_dir to 'remember' your last used directory across sessions. But it doesn't work how I'd want it to. I'd like both panels to remain in the directory I put them in, and not change to the cwd on startup. (Presently, the 'current' panel changes to cwd, and the 'other' panel defaults to the stored value.) Can I have both panels use stored values? |
| 21:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, it was |
| 21:24.51 | bostjan | i dont want to install grub |
| 21:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: you didn't find that, I guess: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 21:24.56 | bostjan | i need to |
| 21:25.03 | format_c | Level1Tech, lIt depends it depends if you multiple disk is your boot device or not |
| 21:25.05 | bostjan | delete the memory |
| 21:25.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: go through this... |
| 21:25.14 | bostjan | mbr |
| 21:25.42 | format_c | Level1Tech, Have a look at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 21:25.59 | bostjan | whats command to format/delete mbr or other memorieswhere virus can be |
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| 21:26.13 | format_c | mdadm is the keyword |
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| 21:27.14 | bostjan | i finished mkfs |
| 21:27.20 | bostjan | how i format memory ? |
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| 21:28.13 | bostjan | fs prolly just for file system i need to get the memory too |
| 21:28.32 | flixil | bostjan: sorry i don't understood your last sentence |
| 21:28.51 | Level1Tech | format: thanks for the link....Ive found similar information and I think I made a mistake by calling it software raid. What I want to do is simply mirror my current installation using the OS...not the SATA controller. |
| 21:29.12 | bostjan | flixil i formatted file systemon hda1 .. howdoi format mbr or memory ? |
| 21:29.26 | format_c | Level1Tech, then mdadm is your friend |
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| 21:29.54 | format_c | and mdadm is part of raidutils AFAIK |
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| 21:30.10 | kombucha | how would i pin or just install the puppet package from testing or unstable, in my install of etch ? |
| 21:30.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: but what you describe is a software raid... |
| 21:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: or did you think of mirroring only once a week as some kind of backup? |
| 21:30.40 | flixil | bostjan: do you know what format is? you changed the fs of hda1, ok. memory i think is ram... then just turn off the pc to delete all... and mbr... just reinstall grub/lilo for instance... but mbr really doesn't have that much of viruses... it's much more legendary :) |
| 21:31.13 | bostjan | hm grub waslastly installed whenubuntu waswritten over debian |
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| 21:31.35 | flixil | then no problem at all |
| 21:31.46 | bostjan | i mean i installed win xp on c,d then debian on d, thenubuntu on d |
| 21:31.49 | bostjan | kk |
| 21:32.00 | bostjan | ubuntu and debianwere last |
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| 21:32.01 | V4Nelle_ | guys in usual that my "sensors" work,and sysvconfig say that lm-sensors script is disable? |
| 21:32.02 | Level1Tech | format: yeah that was what I thought, but from the documentation, software raid also refers to SATA raid, bios raid,...etc. If the sata hardware is doing the raid, its also referred to as a software raid... |
| 21:32.09 | Level1Tech | Thats the confusing part |
| 21:32.12 | bostjan | k |
| 21:32.17 | bostjan | thanks i go try |
| 21:32.20 | bostjan | reboot now |
| 21:32.39 | Level1Tech | I simply want to OS to do it |
| 21:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: he's gone, btw |
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| 21:32.57 | Level1Tech | thanks |
| 21:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: and that's exactly what a softwareraid does... and what http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html describes |
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| 21:34.04 | Level1Tech | Cut: I wasnt aware of that. I have the link open, but Ive always considered software raid to be controlled by the OS only. |
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| 21:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: and also btw. most probably, "Tab" autocompletes the nicknames also in your client :) |
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| 21:34.47 | Level1Tech | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks...much easier |
| 21:35.10 | stew | Level1Tech: yes, most cards which are marketed as sata raid and almost all motherboards which come with onboard sata raid are not real hardware raid controllers, they are relying on the kernel drivers to do the actual raid |
| 21:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: and... where in the link do you see an indication of anything else? |
| 21:35.45 | Level1Tech | stew: didnt know that until today. |
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| 21:37.05 | Level1Tech | CutMeOwnThroat: I didnt see an indication of anything else, I wrongly assumed that since RAID was built onto the motherboard that it was a hardware raid setup |
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| 21:37.48 | Level1Tech | Builton hardware raid == software raid |
| 21:37.53 | erwin85 | Hi, alt + shift + P switches my keyboard layout (?), but I can't find where to turn it off. Any ideas? |
| 21:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: ? oh... you mean because it sais "sata based raid"? |
| 21:38.11 | Level1Tech | yeah...exactly. |
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| 21:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | to switch the keyboard layout off? :) |
| 21:38.26 | stew | Level1Tech: this is often referred to as "fakeraid" when the only raid function that the card performs is presenting you with raid configuration in the bios to make it appear as if it is really hardware raid |
| 21:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: well, just read it as "SATA based Software-RAID" :) |
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| 21:39.40 | Level1Tech | CutMeOwnThroat yeah exactly |
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| 21:40.06 | Level1Tech | Either way, I do not want to use that functionality, I simply want the OS to mirror the friggin drives |
| 21:40.25 | erwin85 | CutMeOwnThroat, something like that. ;) Wikipedia uses P as an acceskey, which means I accidentally switch my layout every time I want to preview an edit. Quite annoying. So I want to change or disable the shortcut to switch my layout. |
| 21:40.39 | SeveredCross | Anyone here experiencing massive slowdowns when running Wine 1.0 RC1? |
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| 21:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Level1Tech: if it was a (real) hardware-raid... you might not have to do anything - we've actually used one of that kind in my last group. It was just a box where you could plug two harddrives in... and you'd connect it as a single harddrive and the OS wouldn't even know it's a RAID and not a single disk... |
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| 21:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | erwin85: it's probably a shortcut from KDE or gnome or whatever you use... and can be changed in its configuration |
| 21:42.59 | Level1Tech | CutMeOwnThroat: My experience with that is if the controller dies...it can be a serious pain to get to the data. Even if a new exact replacement is purchased, it sometimes still very hard to access the drives |
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| 21:43.21 | Level1Tech | Due to revisions...etc |
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| 21:43.39 | abrotman | SeveredCross: #winehq |
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| 21:43.44 | erwin85 | Well, I use gnome. And check my keyboard preferences (Layout options) and Keyboard Shortcuts. |
| 21:43.52 | itrebal | is the latest kernel release regarding the openssl vulnerability? |
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| 21:44.15 | abrotman | kernel? |
| 21:44.30 | bostjan | success ! |
| 21:44.33 | bostjan | hehe |
| 21:44.36 | stew | itrebal: what kernel release are you talking about? |
| 21:44.41 | bostjan | fomatted the virus |
| 21:44.49 | bostjan | thank you =) |
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| 21:45.07 | itrebal | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 (maybe its older?) |
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| 21:45.23 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 21:45.23 | dpkg | it has been said that dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 21:45.41 | buu | So. Uh. |
| 21:45.50 | buu | Does debtakeover actually work these days? |
| 21:45.51 | stew | itrebal: no, that was unrelated. (assuming you are talking about DSA-1575-1) |
| 21:45.55 | itrebal | ok |
| 21:45.57 | itrebal | yeah |
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| 21:46.25 | abrotman | buu: i doubt it .. it's not maiontained anymore |
| 21:46.49 | itrebal | I thought kernel upgrades had to be explicitly installed? |
| 21:47.05 | buu | abrotman: This makes me very sad. |
| 21:47.14 | abrotman | buu: debootstrap? |
| 21:47.24 | buu | abrotman: Can I use that to achieve the same effect? |
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| 21:47.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:47.37 | buu | Mind elaborating? |
| 21:47.58 | abrotman | if you want to wait til i get home .. otherwise /msg dpkg debootstrap and start reading :) |
| 21:48.16 | Eulex | (1) create a debian chroot (2) replace your system with it |
| 21:48.28 | buu | Heh |
| 21:48.40 | abrotman | Eulex: way to destroy the mystique |
| 21:49.00 | Eulex | :) |
| 21:49.06 | abrotman | homes |
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| 21:49.42 | buu | Eulex: It's the "step 2" that gets me .. |
| 21:49.59 | tarzeau | good evening |
| 21:50.21 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:50.22 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
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| 21:51.06 | magyar | hi, how can i set dhcp client to ignore resolv.conf modifications? |
| 21:51.37 | buu | I'm .. totally.. bootstrapping! |
| 21:51.42 | stew | magyar: man dhclient.conf |
| 21:51.50 | buu | "E: no /usr/lib/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices" |
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| 21:55.05 | magyar | thanks stew |
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| 22:03.20 | buu | Hrm. |
| 22:03.33 | buu | How do I get dselect to use internet type sources? |
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| 22:04.27 | V4Nelle_ | guys there is ay packages which needed to work brighness applet of gnome? |
| 22:04.29 | stew | buu: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:04.42 | Thybo | how can you find a program blocking a sound card? |
| 22:04.53 | tarzeau | Thybo: using fuser /dev/dsp |
| 22:04.59 | stew | Thybo: fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/* |
| 22:05.07 | enouf | lsof | egrep 'esd|arts' |
| 22:05.25 | Thybo | lsof: command not found |
| 22:05.28 | tarzeau | enouf: not everyone uses esd or arts |
| 22:05.29 | enouf | as root |
| 22:05.37 | tarzeau | Thybo: install lsof |
| 22:05.38 | enouf | tarzeau: and fuser never works |
| 22:05.46 | tarzeau | enouf: sure does, for me |
| 22:05.49 | stew | enouf: file a bug |
| 22:05.59 | tarzeau | enouf: well dsp is oss, but anyways |
| 22:06.27 | buu | stew: I did a debootstrap type etch |
| 22:06.34 | buu | stew: And now I'm in the chroot. |
| 22:06.35 | stew | buu: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 22:06.46 | Deezire | *congratulates him self* |
| 22:06.52 | Thybo | /dev/snd/controlC0: 6441 8912 19755 |
| 22:06.55 | Thybo | i get this message |
| 22:07.11 | Thybo | but killing processes tells me neither of the processes exist |
| 22:07.16 | tarzeau | Thybo: it means the processes with the ids 6441 8912 19755 are using the device |
| 22:07.16 | stew | Thybo: those are 3 pids of processes which are currently using teh mixer |
| 22:07.27 | tarzeau | Thybo: if you add -k to the command, they get killed |
| 22:07.39 | stew | Thybo: you shouldn't need to kill those |
| 22:07.56 | stew | Thybo: multiple things should be able to open the mixer (obviously, as 3 currently have it open) |
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| 22:08.04 | itrebal | oy, this "pinning" thing has really got me baffled; anyone mind lending me an ear & advice? I'm trying to pin back |
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| 22:08.09 | buu | stew: Are you saying dselect will work once I add a sources.list? |
| 22:08.18 | stew | itrebal: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:08.19 | itrebal | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 from installing itself, but myu record isn't working |
| 22:08.22 | tarzeau | !pin |
| 22:08.22 | dpkg | it has been said that pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 22:08.27 | stew | buu: yes |
| 22:08.36 | bolt | is a big pin |
| 22:08.49 | tarzeau | bolt: pin-up girl? |
| 22:08.54 | enouf | tarzeau: well, i have audio all the time, and even as root, fuser {/dev/dsp,/dev/mixer,/dev/snd/,/dev/audio} returns nothing, and always has returned nothing - why do you think fuser is anymore installed than lsof? Is it installed with base or something? |
| 22:09.01 | enouf | stew: yes, i guess i will |
| 22:09.04 | stew | itrebal: show us your /etc/apt/preferences and the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:09.05 | bolt | tarzeau: sure... whatever floats your boat |
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| 22:09.24 | tarzeau | enouf: yes, fuser is in /bin/ |
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| 22:09.54 | Thybo | tarzeau, tu sais pas ce que je dois faire? |
| 22:10.01 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 22:10.01 | dpkg | i guess fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:10.01 | enouf | and lsof is in /usr/bin/lsof .. so i guess that matters? |
| 22:10.06 | stew | Thybo: english only in here, please |
| 22:10.10 | Thybo | sorry |
| 22:10.13 | itrebal | hell, this upgrade doesn't even make sense.. |
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| 22:10.43 | stew | itrebal: what upgrade? why doesn't it make sense? |
| 22:10.49 | tarzeau | Thybo: no idea, which audio software do you use? |
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| 22:11.07 | itrebal | stew: it wants to upgrade to 2.6.18-686 but I currently have it installed |
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| 22:11.36 | Thybo | lsof only gives me xmms & after i kill it still no sound |
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| 22:11.57 | itrebal | "Linux leviathan 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux" stew |
| 22:12.02 | {Chris} | Hi, can I have one host name in my DNS point to two different IP with Debian ? |
| 22:12.04 | stew | itrebal: yes a newer version of 2.6.18-6-686 was released about a week ago, if you have 2.6.18-6-686 installed and haven't upgraded it in the last week you should expect it to be upgraded |
| 22:12.08 | enouf | tarzeau: and i will concur not everyone uses arts, not esd, but the vast majority of these issues with sound have been related to either one of those, or firefox/flash plugins - and many users without gnome don't even realize libesd* is loaded and running ... |
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| 22:12.21 | enouf | s/not esd/nor esd/ |
| 22:12.22 | stew | itrebal: show us the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:12.30 | buu | stew: I added one. No such luck. |
| 22:12.36 | itrebal | they didn't up the version? |
| 22:12.38 | stew | buu: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:12.43 | Thybo | tarzeau, alsa & oss installed alsa usually used..; but i reconfigured it from scratch still no improvement |
| 22:12.43 | stew | itrebal: they did |
| 22:12.48 | tarzeau | enouf: many users don't use gnome. but yes the most issues are caused by firefox/flash (for me at least) |
| 22:13.01 | enouf | tarzeau: and the other times, it's usually ubuntu users (et al) who are also using pulseaudio and/or jack/jackd |
| 22:13.12 | itrebal | stew: http://paste2.org/p/29650 |
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| 22:13.34 | buu | stew: Er, I typed 'dselect' |
| 22:13.38 | stew | itrebal: right, so you have an older version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 and its trying to upgrade to the lastest version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch4 |
| 22:13.57 | stew | buu: did you get an error? |
| 22:14.02 | itrebal | ok |
| 22:14.18 | buu | stew: No, I just get the list "cdrom/nfs/harddisk/mounted/floppy" |
| 22:14.25 | {Chris} | Please, can anybody respond to my question ? :( Can I have one host name in my DNS point to two different IP with Debian ? |
| 22:14.34 | stew | {Chris}: yes |
| 22:14.52 | enouf | tarzeau: i weed out the ubuntu-ers via making them run alsaconf, which ubuntu seems to not have now for a long time - Thybo did you run through the alsa checklist? "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" |
| 22:14.53 | {Chris} | stew, how ? |
| 22:14.57 | buu | stew: I replaced the sources.list file with one from a working box elsewheres. |
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| 22:15.32 | itrebal | stew: and shouldn't http://paste2.org/p/29651 owork? |
| 22:15.34 | xur1z | chris: i believe you just add two A records for the same hostname and separate IPs. your DNS server will then rotate the lookups. |
| 22:15.37 | tarzeau | !dpkg eat enouf |
| 22:15.38 | dpkg | eats enouf, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 22:15.51 | enouf | :-p |
| 22:16.03 | stew | {Chris}: just add multiple A records for the same name |
| 22:16.26 | enouf | needs some smokes, bbiab |
| 22:16.29 | stew | itrebal: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:16.37 | buu | stew: I'm trying to get dselect to offer me the option of downloading packages from internet repositories. |
| 22:16.38 | itrebal | stew: I want to prevent the kernal fromupgrading |
| 22:16.41 | {Chris} | stew: ok thx |
| 22:16.53 | stew | itrebal: why don't you want the security fixes for your kernel? |
| 22:17.02 | itrebal | stew: I can't afford to restart it right now |
| 22:17.23 | {Chris} | stew, like that: |
| 22:17.23 | {Chris} | jupiter 10800 IN A 91.121.125.189 |
| 22:17.23 | {Chris} | jupiter 10800 IN A 91.121.124.189 |
| 22:17.30 | {Chris} | ? |
| 22:17.43 | jelly-home | {Chris}, yes |
| 22:17.55 | {Chris} | ok and on my debian how handle this in /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:18.20 | jelly-home | no way to, I'm afraid. use a dns server. |
| 22:18.42 | xur1z | chris: you don't need to change your debian box, just the dns |
| 22:18.45 | stew | itrebal: your preferences match the newer version and say to install it no matter what |
| 22:19.03 | {Chris} | jelly-home, my dns is provided by an extenal dns provider |
| 22:19.05 | xur1z | your debian will get it from dns instead |
| 22:19.33 | jelly-home | {Chris}, so ask your provide to add the relevant records |
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| 22:19.44 | itrebal | aaah, thanks stew; I got it |
| 22:19.52 | {Chris} | yes I have added the two A record now |
| 22:20.02 | {Chris} | and on my Debian, that is good: |
| 22:20.02 | {Chris} | 91.121.124.189 jupiter.unikity.fr jupiter |
| 22:20.02 | {Chris} | 91.121.125.189 jupiter.unikity.fr jupiter |
| 22:20.05 | {Chris} | ? |
| 22:20.50 | jelly-home | {Chris}, what are you trying to do on your machine? |
| 22:21.23 | BubbaT | Does anyone know how to interpret smbmount error numbers? |
| 22:21.27 | {Chris} | jelly-home, I have some problems with my hostname |
| 22:21.45 | {Chris} | jelly-home, on my server I have 2 networks interface with 2 ip |
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| 22:22.05 | {Chris} | eth0 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:48:91:A7:20 |
| 22:22.05 | {Chris} | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.09 | {Chris} | eth1 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:48:91:A7:21 |
| 22:22.09 | {Chris} | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.30 | {Chris} | I want this debian server name is jupiter.unikity.fr |
| 22:22.44 | {Chris} | only for her 2 ip address |
| 22:23.17 | {Chris} | is that possible ? |
| 22:23.37 | jelly-home | {Chris}, so you add two A records and two PTR records to the dns, and you may add both of those to /etc/hosts but it doesn't really matter |
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| 22:25.46 | {Chris} | ok thx jelly-home, I check that |
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| 22:26.43 | trifler | I run debain on a p4 1.7 with 769mb ram which i as of now only use for irssi. How come it only has ~10mb of free memory is it just me or isen't a tiny bit weird? |
| 22:27.28 | stew | trifler: free memory is used by the kernel as filesystem cache in order to speed things up. it will be released immediately if it is needed by real applications |
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| 22:27.50 | itrebal | stew: I think I'm just going to end up rebootin gmy server anyway :/ |
| 22:27.50 | stew | trifler: type 'free' the +/- buffers cache is the one you should really be concerned with |
| 22:27.54 | ehird{ | So /var/APP is the data dir. |
| 22:27.57 | ehird{ | What if it has a seperate bin dir? |
| 22:28.00 | ehird{ | /usr/APP/bin? |
| 22:28.01 | Bushmills | {Chris} wouldn't it make more sense to assign hostname to one ip address, and another hostname to the second address? so it is predictable what access from which hostname comes in on the corresponding interface (unless you do that for a form of load balancing) |
| 22:28.03 | ehird{ | /usr/bin/APP? |
| 22:28.08 | petemc | 769 is a weird amount of ram, tho |
| 22:28.49 | jelly-home | ehird{, debian packages do not have separate bin dirs. |
| 22:28.54 | trifler | stew: Okey when i type that there isen't allot used. |
| 22:29.11 | trifler | petemc: A typo |
| 22:29.17 | ehird{ | jelly-home: THEORETICALLY ;) |
| 22:29.25 | stew | ehird{: if the binaries are to be run by users they go directly in /usr/bin if by superusers /usr/sbin otherswise they go in /usr/lib/APP |
| 22:29.46 | petemc | trifler: yes, i said it in jest |
| 22:30.19 | trifler | petemc: I see :) |
| 22:30.34 | ehird{ | stew: I was being theoretical |
| 22:30.35 | ehird{ | :-P |
| 22:30.51 | jelly-home | ehird{, if they bring some binaries for internal use, those usually end up in /usr/lib/package. If they are not binaries but same files across all the architectures, it might be /usr/share/package |
| 22:31.04 | stew | ehird{: '/msg dpkg fhs' if you want to see the actual policy debian follows |
| 22:31.11 | ehird{ | jelly-home: OK, but I'm still saying theoretically, if they did use different dirs, how would it look? |
| 22:31.41 | jelly-home | ehird{, they wouldn't. |
| 22:31.51 | jelly-home | ehird{, it would be against the policy |
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| 22:31.56 | stew | ehird{: if you are talking about debian packages they wouldn't. you are free to do whatever you want however |
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| 22:32.16 | ehird{ | stew: Specifically, I'm asking what would be a *debian-ish* way when I'm personally trying to avoid clutter for a specific thing |
| 22:32.27 | stew | ehird{: if the binaries are to be run by users they go directly in /usr/bin if by superusers /usr/sbin otherswise they go in /usr/lib/APP |
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| 22:32.47 | jelly-home | ehird{, the most debianish you'll get is by following the policy :-) |
| 22:32.54 | ehird{ | stew: if the binaries are to be run by users they go directly in /usr/bin if by superusers /usr/sbin otherswise they go in /usr/lib/APP |
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| 22:33.20 | JoeThomas | Hi, I know you can shutdown the system in hours:minutes, but how can I shut down my system in X amount of seconds |
| 22:33.37 | jelly-home | ehird{, otherwise you might just stuff it all under /opt/package and instruct the users to add /opt/package/bin to their path |
| 22:33.44 | plus_M | So I'm not sure whether to ask in here or in ##freebsd, but I'm trying to install GNU/kFreeBSD in Virtualbox and I'm wondering how I'm supposed to do the network configuration. I usually just go with DHCP with these kinds of things and it usually works, and while it presented me with that option and I selected it it's still giving me a menu to fill out the host, domain, gateway, nameserver, etc. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to fill this out |
| 22:33.44 | plus_M | . Can anyone help me with this? |
| 22:33.55 | Bushmills | JoeThomas: man shutdown |
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| 22:34.30 | JoeThomas | Bushmills: oh, stupid me just looked without search, but found it, my bad haha |
| 22:34.42 | iugrina | hello! is there a version of installer with support for e1000e module? |
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| 22:36.46 | zd32nv | any of you running firefox3b? have you reverted back to stable build? |
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| 22:37.16 | zd32nv | it's the only bit of unstable software on my system, and when it crashed last night, it crashed hard |
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| 22:37.31 | ehird{ | with a thud? |
| 22:37.48 | zd32nv | 3 finger salute didn't work. had to press restart |
| 22:37.55 | zd32nv | *reset |
| 22:38.30 | stew | iugrina: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:38.43 | stew | zd32nv: there shouldn't be a way that is possible |
| 22:38.50 | Bushmills | plus_M: don't worru, #debian is the perfect place to ask about freebsd. just wait, maybe someone can actually tell. |
| 22:39.11 | plus_M | Bushmills, GNU/kFreeBSD is a debian support port of GNU to the BSD kernel. |
| 22:39.12 | stew | plus_M: man interfaces |
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| 22:39.19 | plus_M | supported* |
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| 22:39.36 | jelly-home | Bushmills, debian gnu/kfreebsd != freebsd |
| 22:39.44 | Bushmills | just notice , that's debian bsd |
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| 22:39.59 | plus_M | It's still a debian related project |
| 22:40.04 | zd32nv | stew: pardon? |
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| 22:40.21 | stew | zd32nv: it should not be possible that a user process locks up your machine requiring a hard reboot |
| 22:40.28 | ehird{ | stew: hahahahaahaahahahaahah |
| 22:40.31 | ehird{ | so naive |
| 22:40.41 | tarzeau | ehird{: i've seen such systems... |
| 22:40.42 | plus_M | Shouldn |
| 22:40.45 | tarzeau | linux is not one of them |
| 22:40.46 | plus_M | 't as in theoretically |
| 22:41.09 | zd32nv | stew: i gave the machine 1/2 hour to recover from it, but nothing happened |
| 22:41.18 | zd32nv | no user input was accepted |
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| 22:41.29 | tarzeau | zd32nv: that's linux, it sucks, sometimes |
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| 22:42.03 | stew | ehird{: by what mechanism would it happen? |
| 22:42.10 | ehird{ | stew: tee hee |
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| 22:43.09 | Bushmills | cake time. |
| 22:43.15 | stew | zd32nv: btw to answer your other question i've been running iceweasel 3 for a few weeks without any major problems |
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| 22:44.13 | stew | zd32nv: if you find your machine continuing to lock up, it might be a hardware related problem, and you should consider running memtest86 |
| 22:44.39 | Bushmills | zd32nv: usually you can open a new console and kill the offending process(es) |
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| 22:46.14 | minerale | Has Luciano Bello done an interview -- I would like to know how he came to find out about the openssh bug. |
| 22:46.44 | stew | dpkg: tell iugrina about kmuto |
| 22:47.14 | stew | iugrina: dpkg should have sent you a message. kmuto.jp is a site run by a debian developer which provides installers for stable which have newer kernels. those images should support e1000e |
| 22:49.27 | iugrina | stew: yes i know who he is. I've downloaded his d-i with e1000e support but it doesn't work for me and when i try to find it in /lib/modules there is no. |
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| 22:49.45 | enouf | ok folks, here's a pastebin showing how "fuser" fails for me (and much audio / sound relevant info) - maybe i'm doing it wrong? http://pastebin.ca/raw/1023270 |
| 22:50.17 | selim | does someone know anything about uwimap? I always get this error: May 20 00:45:07 s4 ipop3d[23254]: pop3 service init from 85.181.101.60 |
| 22:50.19 | selim | May 20 00:45:07 s4 ipop3d[23254]: Command stream end of file while reading line |
| 22:50.20 | selim | While trying to fetch e-mails. |
| 22:51.21 | stew | enouf: you want 'fuser /dev/snd/*' not 'fuser /dev/snd' |
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| 22:52.47 | stew | iugrina: i don't know then |
| 22:53.02 | stew | iugrina: you could make your own: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 22:53.24 | stew | iugrina: or perhaps try one of the beta 'etch and a half' cds: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 22:54.04 | DebUser | Hey, what about madwifi? A friend needs a driver for his atheron PCI card.... so..... will it work after he installs it? Or he'll have to configure/install something? |
| 22:54.04 | enouf | stew: ok, but here's what lsof shows in same conditions; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1023274 |
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| 22:54.36 | stew | enouf: i don't see how that is related |
| 22:55.07 | jelly-home | iugrina, one possibility to explore is installing the way described at wiki page /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 22:55.39 | jelly-home | will now stop answering before reading the backlog |
| 22:56.41 | phogg | I have a dhcpd running and I'd like it to hand out static addresses for certain hosts. All the examples I see say "host foo{ hardware ethernet whatever; fixed-address some.ip ; }, but I don't feel like maintaining MAC address lists. Can I make it assign addresses based just on the client's advertised host name? |
| 22:56.57 | enouf | stew: yes, "fuser /dev/snd/*" does return now these; /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: 7954m 7957m and /dev/snd/timer: 7954 <--killing mplayer makes both those go away - i still have audio from Line in |
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| 22:57.49 | phogg | I see a sample in dhcpd.conf which omits the hardware ethernet part and it looks like it ought to work, but doesn't I need to know if I'm crazy or if something else is wrong. |
| 22:57.56 | enouf | Also unrelated, i just found out, the CD slider in alsamixer isn't controlling mplayer/CD volume, PCM is |
| 22:58.15 | phogg | enouf: mplayer only knows one volume, afaik |
| 22:58.18 | iugrina | jelly-home: tnx |
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| 22:58.23 | iugrina | stew: tnx |
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| 22:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: and that surprised you? |
| 22:59.49 | enouf | phogg: i have many more tests to do before i can make any conclusions, just was originally trying to ascertain how to use fuser properly, and usually my lsof | egrep 'artsd|esd' shows the culprit, and b/c i was using fuser improperly, i haven't been able to fully utilize it |
| 23:00.04 | phogg | enouf: ah, I see |
| 23:00.24 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i recall a CD Slider in some OS controlling the CD Volume ;-) .. yes, i do know what PCM is :-P |
| 23:01.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf: .. hm, it may not be intuitive, but it's logic :) |
| 23:02.09 | phogg | mplayer is like an elephant crossed with a kitchen appliance from an infomecial. On the one hand it slices, dices, has a thousand uses and makes ice cream, on the other hand it's big, ponderous, dumb and unstoppable. |
| 23:02.19 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, just curious when/what CD volume slider would work for/with, non-PCM audio types, such like Sun or Mac formats? |
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| 23:02.27 | phogg | This is my way of saying that one volume control stream ought to be good enough for everyone. |
| 23:02.31 | jelly-home | enouf, using cheap CD-ROM DAC instead of ripping the audio data and reproducing as PCM would result in lower quality sound |
| 23:02.55 | enouf | jelly-home: oh, i concur, sure |
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| 23:03.16 | jelly-home | so the cd slider isn't useful, even if connected |
| 23:03.26 | enouf | CD/DVD Drives are crap - especially any onboard DAC |
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| 23:05.09 | enouf | stew: well thanks for the fuser info, i guess a bugreport isn't apropos now, glad i asked about all this prior (which i always try to do when i run into 'bugs' that only i seem to get ;-)) |
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| 23:06.17 | stew | enouf: :) |
| 23:06.24 | jelly-home | failure is the road to... more sophisticated failure |
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| 23:09.30 | enouf | phogg: "i'm-ma-na chef of the mplayer future!" </Jackie Gleason - Honeymooners> :-P |
| 23:10.06 | magyar | hi, is here a reasone why etch hasn't patched this? >> http://blog.icann.org/?p=227 |
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| 23:10.53 | phogg | magyar: Look man, getting etch to get out of bed every morning is hard enough! aybe *you* out to try making him actually do *work. |
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| 23:11.40 | stew | magyar: you can fix this simply by editing /etc/bind/db.root |
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| 23:12.12 | magyar | stew: sure can, but for general rule, I think a patch is a must |
| 23:12.19 | abrotman | file a bug |
| 23:12.58 | stew | magyar: then file a bug or ask #debian-release on irc.debian.org |
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| 23:13.24 | phogg | heh. Mine was still out of date /-: |
| 23:13.36 | magyar | stew: will do |
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| 23:16.49 | stew | magyar: then file a bug or ask #debian-release on irc.debian.org |
| 23:16.53 | stew | errr |
| 23:16.59 | stew | this is not my cplay window |
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| 23:20.00 | zd32nv | Bushmills: i could not switch to a new console |
| 23:20.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:20.10 | SethX | does anybody know how to get the zip extension in php on etc? |
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| 23:20.23 | zd32nv | stew: it has only been during the use (loading of webpages) of firefox |
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| 23:20.59 | SethX | s/etc/etch |
| 23:21.47 | dustybin | everytime i check my mail, fail2ban keeps on restarting at random times |
| 23:21.54 | dustybin | what is wrong with it?! |
| 23:22.35 | dustybin | root Mon, 10:29 pm [Fail2Ban] ssh: started root Mon, 10:29 pm [Fail2Ban] courierimap: started root Mon, 10:29 pm [Fail2Ban] sasl: started |
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| 23:36.04 | peleg | do you know what is the name of the package of "irc it" from "http://www.suckless.org/wiki/tools/irc/irc_it" ? |
| 23:36.22 | Ryan52 | peleg: It might not be a package |
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| 23:36.53 | peleg | Ryan52: oh, I see. is there any way to check that? |
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| 23:36.57 | peleg | (and thanks) |
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| 23:36.59 | Ryan52 | peleg: apt-cache search |
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| 23:37.07 | peleg | Ryan52: thanks |
| 23:37.19 | Ryan52 | peleg: and I didnt see anything that looked like it. |
| 23:38.10 | Ryan52 | peleg: ircii? |
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| 23:38.27 | peleg | Ryan52: might be, I will look; thanks! |
| 23:39.19 | peleg | Ryan52: I am not sure, but I'll give it a try |
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| 23:39.58 | SethX | please insult me for this, but i cant seem to find a php.ini file for my apache... |
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| 23:40.13 | SethX | the php.ini in /etc/php5/apache2/ doesnt have any influence |
| 23:40.23 | christefano | SethX: view a phpinfo.php file served by your browser |
| 23:40.41 | christefano | SethX: the active php.ini file will be listed there |
| 23:40.49 | christefano | served by your web server, rather |
| 23:41.36 | SethX | nice, a blank page. |
| 23:41.44 | Ryan52 | check server logs |
| 23:41.48 | dendrite | SethX: Also look in /etc/apache2/modules-available and .../modules-enabled |
| 23:41.52 | SethX | but php works |
| 23:41.58 | christefano | be sure to add phpinfo() to the phpinfo.php file |
| 23:42.01 | SethX | no signs in modules available |
| 23:42.18 | christefano | what can be done with an error preventing apache2 from running? the error says "httpd (no pid file) not running" |
| 23:42.30 | dendrite | SethX: enabled is usually symlinks to available, but doesn't have to be... |
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| 23:42.47 | SethX | still blank |
| 23:42.50 | SethX | damnit. |
| 23:42.57 | Ryan52 | check server logs |
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| 23:43.10 | christefano | SethX: did you wrap the phpinfo() command in PHP tags? |
| 23:43.20 | SethX | christefano: ye |
| 23:43.26 | Ryan52 | If you have "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" in the file and its still blank, check the logs |
| 23:43.39 | SethX | ah |
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| 23:43.43 | SethX | saw the problem |
| 23:43.45 | SethX | sec |
| 23:43.54 | dendrite | SethX: find /etc -amin -5 ? |
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| 23:45.09 | stew | SethX: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 23:45.12 | christefano | how do I get apache2 running when there's an error: "httpd (no pid file) not running" |
| 23:45.26 | Zetto | Ola, faço parte de um grande projeto de inclusão social e preciso de uma distribuição q rode a partir de um pendrive, e requeira menos que 128mb de memória ram |
| 23:45.28 | SethX | ok |
| 23:45.47 | SethX | so, i've been editing the right file, but, i want to activate logs, and it has no effect |
| 23:45.48 | dendrite | christefano: That actually is the error message from the shutdown phase. Are you sure it didn't start? |
| 23:45.50 | stew | !br |
| 23:45.50 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:45.52 | SethX | i restarted apache |
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| 23:46.20 | Zetto | alguem pode me indicar um link de como fazer um Debian CCD ? |
| 23:46.40 | stew | Zetto: english only in here, go to #debian-br to speak in portuguese |
| 23:46.41 | Kornholijo | hello. when im trying to upgrade to lenny, i get this "unable to open files list file for package `libxml2-utils': Input/output error".. tried redownloading the package, no luck.. |
| 23:46.43 | christefano | dendrite: it does start when I enter /etc/init.d/apache2 start but nothing loads in my browser |
| 23:46.45 | stew | SethX: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libapache{,2}-mod-php{4,5}" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:46.59 | christefano | dendrite: you're right, I get that error when restarting apache2 |
| 23:47.03 | Zetto | stew, ohhhh, sorry, i spoke in the wrong channel !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:47.12 | Zetto | stew, by man |
| 23:47.21 | gbp | wish i could figure out if there was a debian package that contains manpages for math.h |
| 23:47.44 | rahul | !find 3/sin.3 |
| 23:47.57 | SethX | http://pastebin.com/db5e7690 |
| 23:47.59 | Kornholijo | !lart rahul |
| 23:47.59 | dpkg | puts rahul into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of rahul's hair of |
| 23:48.02 | tomfmason | how do you repot spam in one of the mailing lists? |
| 23:48.05 | dendrite | gbp: manpages-dev |
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| 23:48.13 | tomfmason | rreport* |
| 23:48.19 | tomfmason | bah.. report |
| 23:48.29 | gbp | dendrite: i have that installed... |
| 23:48.37 | rahul | !penixstrike Kornholijo |
| 23:48.38 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Kornholijo to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:48.55 | gbp | manpages-dev is already the newest version. |
| 23:48.59 | gbp | math.h: nothing appropriate. |
| 23:49.03 | rahul | uh |
| 23:49.09 | rahul | gbp: man sin |
| 23:49.11 | format_c | gbp, man 3 pow |
| 23:49.22 | gbp | ah thanks :) |
| 23:49.38 | SethX | stew: dpkg says "i've got no clue" |
| 23:49.52 | gbp | you would think a man search for math.h would return sin or pow |
| 23:50.07 | rahul | gbp: no, you wouldn't |
| 23:50.17 | rahul | functions are documented, not header files |
| 23:50.30 | SethX | stew: i mean, i've been using drupal, and some other php intense things, as well as phpmyadmin, and all works well |
| 23:50.31 | gbp | oh ok |
| 23:50.48 | SethX | just, that it refuses to create logs. or even log to syslog. |
| 23:50.49 | gbp | thanks, :) |
| 23:51.01 | rahul | I think section 7 has some general overview stuff. not sure if there's anything for libm |
| 23:51.44 | Kornholijo | hello. when im trying to upgrade to lenny, i get this "unable to open files list file for package `libxml2-utils': Input/output error".. tried redownloading the package, no luck.. :-( |
| 23:52.23 | stew | SethX: so you have both apache and apache2 installed? are you sure which one you are running? |
| 23:52.34 | stew | SethX: oh, nevermind, i misread |
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| 23:52.58 | SethX | you almost gave me a heartattack there. |
| 23:53.19 | gbp | ha |
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| 23:54.46 | kombucha | is there something else like apt-proxy ? that is not apt-proxy? apt-proxy always hangs after a while for me |
| 23:55.47 | abrotman | kombucha: apt-cacher |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | approx |
| 23:56.02 | SethX | stew: actually, this problem arises from the fact that the zip extension is not working as it should, but in this case, its actually darn difficult to debug. |
| 23:56.06 | SethX | abrotman: do you ever sleep? |
| 23:56.09 | kombucha | what is cooler, apt-cacher or approx ? |
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| 23:57.18 | abrotman | SethX: yes |
| 23:58.04 | SethX | keep seeing you online at the funkyest hours, just wondering |
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| 23:58.39 | SethX | over in #gentoo we had a guy once who slept a few hours, woke up for a few hours, and went back to sleep for a few hours.. [loop] |
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| 23:59.05 | SethX | an interesting case, if you ask me. |
| 23:59.05 | gravity | Isn't that normal behavior? |
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| 23:59.24 | SethX | gravity: not if you sleep 3 hours and spend 6 hours awake |
| 23:59.26 | gravity | Traditionally people sleep, then are awake, then go back to sleep. |
| 23:59.26 | SethX | constantly. |
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| 23:59.41 | gravity | Ah, I get it. The intervals are short. Gotcha. |
