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| 00:02.14 | Level1Tech | Can .img files be used with debian? |
| 00:03.03 | ma3x | how do i clear grub? |
| 00:03.34 | azeem | ma3x: please rephrase your question |
| 00:03.41 | Level1Tech | Can .img files be used with debian? |
| 00:03.49 | azeem | Level1Tech: used how? |
| 00:04.05 | ma3x | azeem: i've installed it on /dev/sda instead on /dev/sda1 |
| 00:04.17 | Level1Tech | Drivers are available for Red hat and suse, but can I use those in debian |
| 00:04.28 | azeem | Level1Tech: what kind of drivers? |
| 00:04.33 | ma3x | azeem: or in case if i install it multiple times, /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda.... how do i clear the partitions of grub? |
| 00:04.39 | Level1Tech | Raid drivers |
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| 00:04.44 | azeem | ma3x: why do you want to clear them? |
| 00:04.48 | azeem | ma3x: just don't use it |
| 00:04.51 | azeem | on those partitions |
| 00:05.06 | azeem | Level1Tech: are you saying your raid drivers are in the form of an .img file? |
| 00:05.10 | ma3x | azeem: well i've already installed it so when i try to boot those partitions it loops infinitely to the grub screen |
| 00:05.38 | Level1Tech | Its an intel board and intel only supports red hat and suse....so yes they are in the form of .img |
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| 00:05.55 | SethX | just wondering, is error_reporting = E_ALL |
| 00:05.57 | azeem | Level1Tech: which version of Debian? |
| 00:05.59 | SethX | correct? |
| 00:06.12 | Level1Tech | the latest...I havnt installed it yet |
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| 00:06.23 | dFence | errm... is it true that i need a 64bit OS in order to be able to use more than 2gb ram?! |
| 00:06.27 | azeem | Level1Tech: I suggest you try first, maybe the drivers are included already |
| 00:06.41 | azeem | dFence: no, though it helps |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | Level1Tech: and you didn't tell us which controller |
| 00:07.04 | azeem | ma3x: how do you try to boot those partitions? |
| 00:07.50 | dendrite | dFence: Look for -bigmem kernels, otherwise your kernel will only see < 4Gb. |
| 00:07.58 | Level1Tech | azeem: ok, thanks. Can you answer this for me? If you have a box that does not have "fakeraid" support in the bios, what would you use to mirror the drive in linux |
| 00:08.11 | azeem | Level1Tech: no I cant |
| 00:08.25 | dFence | dendrite: 4gb was what i was thinkin of throwing in.. should be more than sufficient |
| 00:08.30 | Level1Tech | ok thanks anyway |
| 00:08.40 | SethX | dendrite: can you paste me a php.ini which has working logging? |
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| 00:09.02 | ma3x | azeem: which image is right for core2duo machine on 32b platform- linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 or linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 00:09.21 | azeem | ma3x: why do you ask me? |
| 00:09.30 | ma3x | nm |
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| 00:09.51 | Varange | hi all |
| 00:09.54 | dendrite | SethX: Sorry, I've only ever had php install and run without issues, so I don't have much troubleshooting experience. Also, those machines are out of reach from this machine. |
| 00:09.56 | Varange | Bushmills, hiya again |
| 00:10.32 | Varange | would someone please get me a public DNS server in Australia that works? I'm having trouble with my broweser |
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| 00:10.46 | Dewi | heh |
| 00:11.03 | Dewi | Varange: people on whirlpool discuss some... like bigpond's, IIRC |
| 00:11.05 | [M4rk0] | hi everyone! |
| 00:11.37 | [M4rk0] | can someone explain me how can I catch with my dns non-existing domains? |
| 00:11.39 | Dewi | Varange: the thread I'm thinking of would be in the iinet or TPG forum... |
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| 00:11.48 | Varange | Dewi,ok |
| 00:11.55 | Varange | please google for me. will ya? |
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| 00:12.22 | Dewi | Varange: who is your ISP? |
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| 00:12.57 | Varange | Dewi, no idea, it's at a backpakers |
| 00:13.00 | Varange | backpackers |
| 00:13.11 | Varange | was hoping to find a public nameserver |
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| 00:13.51 | dendrite | Varange: 69.111.95.106 |
| 00:14.08 | [M4rk0] | opendns |
| 00:14.09 | dendrite | http://www.dnsserverlist.org/ <-- a list of 'em. |
| 00:15.27 | Varange | thanks |
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| 00:15.30 | gpm | hiya guys, my nvidia drivers don't seem to be working anymore. the error in the log, i think, is "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" any advice would be helpful. |
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| 00:16.13 | gpm | (yes, it shows up in lsmod, and yes i have nvidia-glx installed) |
| 00:16.29 | [M4rk0] | Varange, http://www.opendns.com/ |
| 00:16.47 | Varange | thanbks |
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| 00:25.09 | fred-erich | hi, when I want to mount a sftp server via gnome mount, It (the link) doesn't remember the directory on the server I specified, and defaults to / on that server (on which I have no permissions). Is this expected behavior? |
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| 00:30.25 | abrotman | !flw |
| 00:30.25 | dpkg | flw13 is, like, Viccinalis [~userlogin@bb220-255-25-217.singnet.com.sg] has quit ["Debian Unstable/Experimental...Linux on STEROIDS!!!"] |
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| 00:31.25 | Caelum | fuck, why does aptitude install packages I put on hold |
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| 00:32.28 | pipegeek | anyone here used virt-manager before? |
| 00:32.33 | Level1Tech | what are the benefits of separate partitions? |
| 00:33.04 | tomfmason | man this audio problem on my laptop has got me stumped. It looks like all of my hardware is detected properly and my user is in the audio group. |
| 00:33.07 | pipegeek | I have an existing disk image containing an xp install, that I'd like to use... but virt-manager seems to require an install disk |
| 00:33.16 | cast | Level1Tech: what are the benefits of using lvm?* |
| 00:33.52 | fred-erich | Level1Tech, say your webserver dies, /var saved and you will praise the lord |
| 00:34.19 | ricosecada | Level1Tech, http://tldp.org/LDP/lame/LAME/linux-admin-made-easy/install-partitioning.html |
| 00:34.25 | fred-erich | pipegeek, burn the image xD |
| 00:34.37 | pipegeek | :-\ or a .iso. But it's over 5G |
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| 00:34.59 | fred-erich | pipegeek, ah, you need an iso yes, what kind of image do you have? |
| 00:35.14 | fred-erich | 5gb winxp iso? |
| 00:35.16 | fred-erich | lame? |
| 00:35.17 | pipegeek | A disk image containing a running xp install |
| 00:35.22 | fred-erich | ack |
| 00:35.29 | pipegeek | I've been using it with qemu-kvm |
| 00:35.34 | pipegeek | I installed it using qemu-kvm |
| 00:35.37 | pipegeek | it's neat |
| 00:35.40 | fred-erich | hmm |
| 00:35.42 | pipegeek | but I wanted to try out virt-manager |
| 00:35.45 | justin | pipegeek: i've never used virt-manager, but can you get it to think you have something installed, and then just copy that disk image to the right place? |
| 00:35.47 | fred-erich | not really installing |
| 00:35.53 | pipegeek | no, not at all |
| 00:35.56 | pipegeek | I don't want to install |
| 00:36.01 | pipegeek | I just want to make virt-manager aware of it |
| 00:36.02 | fred-erich | well I#m out kthxbye |
| 00:36.06 | pipegeek | tata |
| 00:36.08 | pipegeek | thanks anyway |
| 00:36.16 | pipegeek | justin: I'll give it a shot |
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| 00:36.17 | blahblahx | how would i remove all the files (keeping their subfolders intact) in a folder except those with a certain exact name? for example, i want to remove all the files other than copyright from the folder /usr/share/doc, yet preserve each subfolder for each program within /doc. Note: I have backed up /usr/share/doc |
| 00:36.20 | pipegeek | try installing freedos or something |
| 00:36.23 | pipegeek | see what it does |
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| 00:37.14 | Sebboh | uh hey, question. Where's that file that Debian uses to keep track of NICs by the MAC address, so that if a new NIC is added it is named eth1, not eth0? |
| 00:37.17 | blahblahx | btw i know it is possible because a while ago someone told me how to do it and it worked, i just forgot the command |
| 00:37.40 | gpm | it's in the man page of find i think |
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| 00:37.51 | nevyn | Sebboh: /etc/ethers ? |
| 00:37.54 | blahblahx | gpm: are you talking to me with that? |
| 00:37.58 | gpm | yessir |
| 00:38.02 | lavico | hello |
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| 00:38.32 | blahblahx | gpm: could you check? im not on a linux computer right now. |
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| 00:39.12 | abrotman | Caelum: because they are required by something else you're installing explicitly |
| 00:39.24 | blahblahx | gpm: also id love it if i could have a person comfirm the command, rather than trying to interpret the holy depths of a manfile |
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| 00:39.35 | buu | abrotman: Hey, you alive? |
| 00:39.37 | buu | Ah. |
| 00:39.40 | Caelum | abrotman: I just did a safe-upgrade |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | buu: hardly! |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | Caelum: oh |
| 00:39.55 | LinuxMercedes | Hi, I've run into a problem with update-manager. Here's my bug description: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/232081 |
| 00:39.56 | buu | abrotman: Close enough for government work! |
| 00:40.03 | LinuxMercedes | The problem is, I need to fix the machine =] |
| 00:40.04 | abrotman | buu: sadly |
| 00:40.05 | Gatton | blahblahx, just so you know...man pages are everywhere ;-) http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man1/find.1.php |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | LinuxMercedes: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:40.22 | nevyn | LinuxMercedes: looks like your using ubuntu why don't you ask #ubuntu |
| 00:40.26 | LinuxMercedes | abrotman: I did, everyone's busy |
| 00:40.28 | abrotman | LinuxMercedes: ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:40.34 | buu | abrotman: So I've been messing with debootstrap and so forth, and now I have a boot-strapped chroot. How do I replace the original system? |
| 00:40.46 | LinuxMercedes | abrotman: I'll try again |
| 00:40.49 | blahblahx | Gatton: sorry. its just last time i was here people were so helpful and gave the command (with the proper warnings) |
| 00:40.54 | azeem | buu: ask the channel, not individuals, please |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | buu: you can change the bootloader to boot your new setup |
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| 00:41.10 | abrotman | thought the debootstrap docs covered that |
| 00:41.20 | JoeThomas | Is is bad to make all *.log files NOT readable by others? |
| 00:41.28 | azeem | abrotman: for sarge or so, AFAIK |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:41.34 | buu | abrotman: Oh, is that "echo "8:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/chroot /sid-root" stuff? |
| 00:41.51 | JoeThomas | Such as -rw-r-----? Rather than -rw-r--r--? |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | i'm thinking you want to boot your new OS cleanly |
| 00:42.01 | Gatton | blahblahx, i doubt i could help since i'm a newbie...but what was the question? i wasn't in here when you asked i don't think |
| 00:42.14 | blahblahx | Gatton: how would i remove all the files (keeping their subfolders intact) in a folder except those with a certain exact name? for example, i want to remove all the files other than copyright from the folder /usr/share/doc, yet preserve each subfolder for each program within /doc. Note: I have backed up /usr/share/doc |
| 00:42.15 | buu | abrotman: I don't see anything that looks terribly promising. |
| 00:43.21 | Sebboh | oh, in answer to my questions, it's the udev scripts... /etc/udev and company. |
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| 00:44.26 | blahblahx | gpm: you still here? |
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| 00:47.50 | Tramp | blahblahx: use find with something like -not -name ... -execdir |
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| 00:48.14 | Tramp | blahblahx: and possible -type f |
| 00:49.08 | selim | anyone in here who can help me with an uw-imapd ipopd installation configuration? |
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| 00:49.56 | abrotman | hint #1) don't use uw-imapd |
| 00:50.08 | ricosecada | selim, you should ask a specific question to a specific problem rather |
| 00:50.17 | pablo | hi, i installed debian lenny with the betta 1 installer, and at boottime it is a bit more slow, anyone knows the reason? |
| 00:50.41 | cast | i know the answer :D |
| 00:50.55 | ricosecada | :) |
| 00:50.57 | pablo | cast: ? |
| 00:51.00 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 00:51.28 | pablo | cast: which is the reason? |
| 00:51.29 | selim | ricosecada: I have some problems authenticating to a uw-imapd ipopd service on my system, I've installed the excat same packages to another system before and it works there very well, I'm running out of ideas now |
| 00:51.57 | selim | this is the error I get for imapd and ipop3d: Command stream end of file while reading line user=??? |
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| 00:52.31 | cast | pablo: it's proprietary |
| 00:52.41 | cast | pablo: oh..wrong question |
| 00:52.45 | cast | pablo: was thinking about mp3 :) |
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| 00:53.10 | dustybin | now my other debian box says this |
| 00:53.11 | dustybin | oot Mon, 9:29 pm WARNING: mysqlcheck has found corrupt tables |
| 00:53.16 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 00:53.17 | Lagbolt | pablo, it is slower to boot up? how about when it is up and running? |
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| 00:53.46 | ricosecada | selim, google that error and you will find a lot with the same problem, properly also an answer. |
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| 00:53.59 | Fenrir | evenings |
| 00:54.11 | Lagbolt | evening :) |
| 00:54.32 | Fenrir | got this problem.. that i cant get anything from KPackage of KDE |
| 00:54.38 | pablo | Lagbolt: it is fine then, i noticed some delay on loading the kernel only |
| 00:54.43 | Fenrir | always sum error when i try to dl/install smthing |
| 00:54.56 | ricosecada | pablo, compared to what? |
| 00:55.26 | pablo | ricosecada: my previous installation, and to etch |
| 00:55.51 | Fenrir | what is this "lenny" ? |
| 00:55.52 | ricosecada | pablo, on the same machine? How much slower? |
| 00:55.59 | buu | abrotman: So, how do I boot the system? |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | buu: your bootloader can boot anywhere .. point it at the chroot |
| 00:56.36 | buu | ! |
| 00:57.16 | pablo | ricosecada: yes the same machine, just a few seconds, it seems it does something with the kernel |
| 00:57.20 | Lagbolt | pablo, can you identify what parts of the boot proces are slower? |
| 00:57.29 | selim | ricosecada: I did not find an answer that's the reason I'm asking the question |
| 00:57.32 | Lagbolt | by kernel, you mean the very beginning of the boot process? |
| 00:57.49 | selim | and a second question is, that is seems especially debian related |
| 00:57.58 | buu | abrotman: Erm, um, is that in like, grub.conf sort of area? |
| 00:58.13 | abrotman | yep |
| 00:58.19 | ricosecada | selim, and you have checked that the mbox doesn't have an error? |
| 00:58.25 | pablo | Lagbolt: just after grub |
| 00:59.07 | selim | ricosecada: the mbox is defintive ok |
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| 00:59.24 | ricosecada | selim, how do you validate that? |
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| 00:59.40 | Lagbolt | pablo, maybe it has something to do with diff kernel version and the ramdrive. i dont know, i havent booted etch ever, running testing so not sure if mine is "slow" like yours or not |
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| 01:00.11 | selim | ricosecada: cause I've copied that file and tried it elsewhere it works there |
| 01:00.15 | pablo | Lagbolt: i think it says somethig of kinit it seems it does something diferent |
| 01:01.13 | ricosecada | selim, why are you using uw-imap? |
| 01:01.20 | Lagbolt | pablo, well etch is 18 kern , what do you have now? 24 right? there could be considerable differences during boot. i dont pay enough attention to that |
| 01:01.23 | Fenrir | where i can ind official mirrors of deb packages ? |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 01:01.39 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 01:01.53 | ricosecada | selim, just go with dovecot, and you don't have any such problems. |
| 01:02.28 | pablo | Lagbolt: ok |
| 01:02.42 | ricosecada | selim, otherwiser you have a lot of ground to cover trying to locate the error. |
| 01:02.49 | Fenrir | abrotman, i dont need distributions |
| 01:02.54 | selim | ricosecada: I've tried dovecot but dovecot is not capable of just opening the inbox file, and the user I try to migrate has no home directory therefor I need uwimap |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | need who ? |
| 01:03.07 | Fenrir | i need mirroris for the packages from package control |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | right ... so use the mirrors list above |
| 01:03.40 | ricosecada | selim, dovecot with virtual domains, then you can have a thousand users none with a home. It is easy to setup and easy to maintain. |
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| 01:04.16 | selim | ricosecada: any hint for a howto? |
| 01:04.17 | Fenrir | getting rid of KDE |
| 01:04.20 | Fenrir | gnome |
| 01:04.23 | ricosecada | selim, one sec |
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| 01:04.43 | pablo | Lagbolt: hi, i checked it it says uncompressing linux, it seems it holds a moment uncompressing it |
| 01:04.54 | selim | ricosecada: especially the virtual domain part |
| 01:04.55 | buu | abrotman: My (centos) kernels in grub have the following line option as part of the kernel definition "root=/dev/vg1/root". Should I copy that as is? |
| 01:05.15 | selim | ricosecada: I have already a easy to understand setup howto |
| 01:05.19 | Lagbolt | pablo, so the rest of it is ok speed wise? sounds to me like it is just taking longer to uncompress kern |
| 01:05.19 | ricosecada | selim, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/, it is one of the best tutorials on the net. |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | uhm .. i'd rather not get involved with LVM moving |
| 01:05.43 | selim | ricosecada: thank you I'll try that |
| 01:05.50 | pablo | Lagbolt: yes the rest is ok, why is it compressed? |
| 01:05.57 | ricosecada | selim, not just a tutorial, but it will explain everything in detail. |
| 01:05.58 | abrotman | buu: i'm not sure if you can do this .. i didn't know there was an LVM involved .. i'm not sure if it complicates it or not |
| 01:06.08 | buu | abrotman: =[ |
| 01:06.13 | ricosecada | selim, and it is kept updated. |
| 01:06.23 | buu | abrotman: Well, if I break it, I can bring a debian cd in tommorrow |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | that'll work i suppose |
| 01:06.41 | Lagbolt | pablo, i dont know all the little details but i am sure the kern in etch is compressed as well |
| 01:08.37 | selim | ricosecada: hmm that's not what I'm looking for, my problem is I have to migrate all the existing /var/spool/mail uw-imap mbox style mailboxes and they have to stay there in mbox style otherwise my webpanel config tool won't recognize them anymore. I know dovecot supports mbox but it seems to need some sort of home or writable dir to open these mailboxes |
| 01:08.52 | abrotman | webpanels suck! |
| 01:08.53 | selim | that's where my problem takes effect |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:09.05 | Lagbolt | pablo, i am not qualified to answer correctly, i can just guess that probably the ramdrive is larger for 24 kern than for 18 and it takes longer to decompress and load |
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| 01:09.32 | lavico | i need free shoutcast hosting :S |
| 01:09.47 | selim | abrotman: I know, and you are more than right with that comment but I have to deal with it now, if I could get around that damn stuff I would but I cant |
| 01:09.48 | Lagbolt | pablo, you could always compile your own kernel and decrease the size and eliminate the need for ramdrive |
| 01:09.50 | buu | abrotman: Hrm. My debian chroot is at /nr2; so I added a /nr2/vmlinuz line to my grub, but when I attempted to boot it said 'file not found' |
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| 01:10.27 | Lagbolt | pablo, but seriously we are talking a few seconds right? you could look online, there are ways to recover 2-4 seconds of boottime using things like dash and reordering startup scripts |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | buu: has to know it's an LVM thing |
| 01:10.49 | Lagbolt | for me, i dont really care. my desktop never reboots and my laptop is encrypted so i have to wait for cryptsetup anyhow |
| 01:11.04 | buu | abrotman: Hrmph. |
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| 01:11.22 | abrotman | buu: same to you budy! |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | buddy |
| 01:11.32 | ricosecada | selim, dovecot can use the directory you are already using /var/spool/mail, why do you need to migrate it? (maybe I missed something) |
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| 01:11.56 | abrotman | why use imap if you're gonig to use mbox |
| 01:12.13 | selim | ricosecada: cause of this mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u |
| 01:12.16 | NickPresta | Is it okay to (temporarily) remove the defoma package? |
| 01:12.17 | buu | abrotman: Why must centos be so annoying. |
| 01:12.22 | abrotman | buu: rpms |
| 01:12.52 | selim | ricosecada: if I try to replace that like this mail_location = mbox:/var/spool/mail:INBOX=/var/spool/mail/%u I get some errors |
| 01:13.01 | buu | abrotman: Everything feels so wrong! |
| 01:13.14 | selim | like can't write or /var/spool/mail/.imap/INBOX ... |
| 01:13.49 | selim | ricosecada: I just want dovecot to open the mbox files named like /var/spool/mail/<username> |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | buu: i agree! |
| 01:14.25 | selim | ricosecada: maybe I missed something but I found nothing else so far |
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| 01:15.11 | ricosecada | selim, have you checked with permissions on the directory? Now I can't remember the exact setup, but dovecot perhaps needs to be apart of some group? |
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| 01:17.18 | ricosecada | selim, if I am not mistaken, you can still follow the tutorial and use that setup, but you just have to figure out, how to get dovecot to accept the old directory, and I know it can, so I am guessing at file permission problems. |
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| 01:18.00 | pdbogen | Can anyone help me figure out why my system hangs on 'Waiting for root file system... ...' when booting into a newly-installed Linux 2.6.25? |
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| 01:18.43 | SethX | i have a more general question to php, concerning php under apache2, more specifically in debian. I seem unable to have php produce *ANY* logs at all, choosing syslog or any log file destination, even with E_ALL . so, what arises to me, is the possibility that php is trying to use a logger which is not present on my system. how to check that? |
| 01:18.57 | SethX | reinstalled mod-php, redid the config |
| 01:19.02 | SethX | still no improvements. |
| 01:19.14 | SethX | honestly, i'm running out of ideas. |
| 01:19.19 | pdbogen | SethX : Are you sure it's not logging to Apache's error log? |
| 01:19.30 | SethX | its not logging *anywhere* |
| 01:19.46 | SethX | http://dl.addplus.eu/phpmyadmin/phpinfo.php |
| 01:20.03 | SethX | i'm kind of starting to feel stupid. |
| 01:20.31 | tomfmason | can someone take a look at my post in the mailing list and tell me if anything sticks out http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2008/05/msg00031.html. I upgraded to lenny with 2.6.24 because I couldn't get etch with the 2.6.18 kernel to work with my NICs or my sound hardware. After the upgrade my NICs work but still no audio. It appears that the hardware is detected correcly and alsaconf gives no errors. Any other suggestions? |
| 01:21.06 | pdbogen | error_log /var/log/apache2/php.log /var/log/apache2/php.log |
| 01:21.10 | pdbogen | Nothing in that file? |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 01:21.15 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 01:21.26 | pdbogen | Does it exist and is it writable by the user that apache is running as? I.e., www-data? |
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| 01:22.04 | SethX | pdbogen: void. nothing. no such file. |
| 01:22.12 | pdbogen | Try creating the file and making it writable by www-data. |
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| 01:22.22 | pdbogen | If www-data doesn't have write access to that directory, it can't create the file to start logging to it. |
| 01:22.32 | SethX | it wont even log to syslog |
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| 01:22.52 | SethX | trying, once again |
| 01:23.40 | Ryan52 | I am using postfix. I have my network setup so that all mail is relayed to my main server. Originally I just checked roots mailbox on it occasonaly. Now I want it to forward to my email. So that my real mail server doesn't reject the domain, I have a sender_canonical and recipient_canonical setup like "/(.*?)@(.*?)\.home/ $(1)+$(2)@my_domain.org". It works for sending from that server, but the ones that relay to it still have root@server.home as t |
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| 01:23.43 | blahblahx | how can i remove all files (but not folders) in /usr/share/doc without the name "copyright"? BTW, I backed up the folder already. |
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| 01:24.02 | azeem | blahblahx: read the find manpage and write a shell script |
| 01:24.22 | blahblahx | azeem: i tried, but it was a bit over my head. |
| 01:24.30 | azeem | blahblahx: we're not going to write a shell script for each of your problems, even more so if somebody already solved the problem for you and you lost the solution |
| 01:24.34 | azeem | blahblahx: then don't remove them |
| 01:25.01 | blahblahx | azeem: someone nicely helped me maybe a year ago, and i forgot. |
| 01:25.19 | blahblahx | azeem: and unfortunately, the reason people are here is to help me with my problems. |
| 01:25.24 | azeem | blahblahx: how much free disk space do you have? |
| 01:25.31 | blahblahx | azeem: not say, "do it yourself n00b". |
| 01:25.39 | azeem | blahblahx: your question is off-topic here |
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| 01:25.44 | blahblahx | azeem: about 6GB |
| 01:25.50 | azeem | it's an advanced Unix/shell programming question |
| 01:25.58 | azeem | blahblahx: so why do you want to remove those files? |
| 01:26.10 | SethX | ok, tried setting it to /php.log and chmodding /php.log to 777 |
| 01:26.11 | blahblahx | azeem: to save space on a livecd. |
| 01:26.13 | Ryan52 | blahblahx: If you learn to do it yourself, other things will be easier for you. (trust me, I learn from my own experience) |
| 01:26.14 | SethX | still, no content. |
| 01:26.27 | anomic | i've got a system set up with an encrypted drive (encrypted with the installer). it works fine with a stock kernel, but it won't boot on a custom kernel. i'm asked for a password, but it's never accepted. AES support is in the kernel. can you guys think of anything else i'd need? |
| 01:26.29 | pdbogen | blahblahx : Try reading the manpage for 'find' a few times. |
| 01:26.32 | selim | ricosecada: it seems to work now thank you |
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| 01:26.57 | blahblahx | pdbogen: done. but i didn't see anything about deleting everything BUT a certain pattern |
| 01:27.20 | pdbogen | blahblahx : Search for "-not" |
| 01:27.20 | azeem | blahblahx: it's about finding everything BUT a certain pattern |
| 01:27.26 | azeem | and then deleting what you've found |
| 01:27.37 | vKentucky | Can I allow a remote user system-wide access to my hard-drive as root [or sudo] but keep them from accessing my home/user directory? |
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| 01:27.49 | ricosecada | selim, you are welcome :) |
| 01:27.53 | tomfmason | abrotman: I just ran over the checklist again and have done it several times just to be sure. Still no luck. Everything is running nicely except sound which is a real pita |
| 01:27.53 | pdbogen | vKentucky : No, not realyl. |
| 01:28.14 | pdbogen | SethX : Your question is really a #php question... |
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| 01:28.47 | SethX | ppl in #php have no idea about system administration |
| 01:28.59 | SethX | thats the entire problem. |
| 01:29.07 | pdbogen | I don't know what to tell you. By default, on Debian, for me, the logs go into Apache's error log. |
| 01:29.23 | tomfmason | same here. |
| 01:29.53 | pdbogen | I got my system booting, so I'm going to go play a agme.. Laters, folks. |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | tomfmason: lspci doesn't quite know what it is |
| 01:30.30 | vKentucky | pdbogen: wonder if I can create a sub-root regular user with root prives to every command except for cd, cp, mv etc.. <insert command>/home/username ? |
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| 01:31.18 | ricosecada | blahblahx, this is not really a problem, you need to figure out, how to use the tools right, that's not a problem :) |
| 01:31.35 | SethX | has anybody got a clue on what logging mechanism php has? |
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| 01:32.23 | ricosecada | SethC, php hasn't got any. |
| 01:32.32 | ricosecada | sorry Sethx |
| 01:32.34 | Ryan52 | yes, got it! |
| 01:33.03 | ricosecada | SethX, if you want php to log to a specific file, you have to make it do it yourself |
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| 01:33.43 | SethX | ricosecada: how that |
| 01:33.48 | SethX | in every script i execute? |
| 01:34.21 | ricosecada | SethX, most people keep a log in a database, depending on what you wan't to log, but don't use E_ALL, that will just display the errors no the screen making it easy for attackers to gain information about your system. |
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| 01:34.57 | ricosecada | SethX, create a log class, and then yes use it on every script you make where you need logging, that's how its done. |
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| 01:35.50 | ricosecada | SethX, you create conditions for everything you need logged, and when the condition is set, you log it. |
| 01:36.26 | ricosecada | SethX, but again you don't need to log everything, just possible errors and stuff like that. |
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| 01:38.18 | SethX | ye, i was trying to catch *something* *grin* |
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| 01:38.54 | ricosecada | SethX, so just catch what you specifically need :) |
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| 01:39.59 | anomic | i've got a system set up with an encrypted drive (encrypted with the installer). it works fine with a stock kernel, but it won't boot on a custom kernel. i'm asked for a password, but it's never accepted. AES support is in the kernel. can you guys think of anything else i'd need? |
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| 01:43.33 | Lagbolt | anomic, how did you configure your encryption? |
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| 01:44.31 | Lagbolt | anomic, does it say "wrong password" when you type password or just hang there |
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| 01:52.16 | anomic | Lagbolt: it says wrong password |
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| 01:52.29 | anomic | my encryption followed the default settings in the debian installer |
| 01:52.40 | anomic | 256bit AES, as i recall |
| 01:52.51 | cast | aha. |
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| 01:52.58 | cast | LUKS, essiv |
| 01:53.14 | anomic | those are kernel options? |
| 01:54.19 | zd32nv | yikes so many updates in lenny |
| 01:54.24 | zd32nv | like 75 packages since last week |
| 01:54.32 | Lagbolt | hmm i didnt use installer to set mine up. does installer use luks by default? |
| 01:54.35 | cast | you might need a hash function built in as well |
| 01:54.52 | anomic | cast: md5? |
| 01:55.06 | anomic | i have md5 in the kernel |
| 01:55.12 | anomic | md4 as a module |
| 01:55.33 | cast | maybe not md5...maybe something in the SHA family |
| 01:56.04 | anomic | cast: i can't find either "LUKS" or "essiv" in .config. what did you mean by that? |
| 01:56.28 | cast | they're the system of disk encryption the installer users |
| 01:56.30 | Lagbolt | luks is not in kern |
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| 01:56.36 | cast | uses* |
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| 01:57.19 | anomic | cast: i have sha1 in kernel, sha224, sha256, sha384 and sha512 as modules |
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| 01:57.29 | Lagbolt | anomic, can you still boot from old kernel with no trouble? |
| 01:57.33 | anomic | yes |
| 01:57.47 | Lagbolt | what options did you change in your custom kernel? |
| 01:57.51 | Lagbolt | start with those |
| 01:58.10 | Lagbolt | is it the same kern version? just customized? |
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| 01:58.31 | anomic | i didn't use the debian .config. i'm trying to make the one i used before i encrypted my system work |
| 01:58.45 | anomic | that one is a debian .config from a few months back, though |
| 01:58.49 | anomic | which i ran oldconfig on |
| 01:59.16 | Lagbolt | anomic, well i would suggest starting with the working config from stock kernel, and then carefully change the options you want |
| 01:59.29 | anomic | i suppose that's not a bad idea at all, yea |
| 02:00.35 | anomic | Lagbolt: do i grab the headers file for my stock kernel, or do i get the .config from somewhere else? |
| 02:00.40 | anomic | i'm fairly new to kernel building |
| 02:01.21 | Lagbolt | the config for the stock kern is in /boot/ <--- something like config-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 02:01.24 | Lagbolt | or what ever you have |
| 02:01.37 | anomic | ah, thanks |
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| 02:02.06 | anomic | final question: while i'm building my kernel, is it possible to test it with kvm, qemu or something like that, so i don't have to reboot 50 times? |
| 02:02.08 | Lagbolt | i built a custom kern for my encrypted machine and it all works fine. i use luks essiv as well. . . just have to make sure you dont remove needed options |
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| 02:02.41 | Lagbolt | anomic, you could make a virtual machine to play with |
| 02:02.52 | anomic | can't just point kvm to /boot? |
| 02:02.56 | Lagbolt | anomic, just make a base install virtual machine and play with kern in there |
| 02:03.03 | anomic | (or /dev/hda1, specifically) |
| 02:03.04 | Lagbolt | anomic, dont think so |
| 02:03.19 | cast | anyone have any ideas when .24 will go into bpo? |
| 02:04.02 | Lagbolt | no idea |
| 02:04.06 | Lagbolt | could always compile it yourself :) |
| 02:04.13 | dvs | cast: It'll be part of etch and a half. |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | cast: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 02:04.36 | cast | interesting |
| 02:04.46 | Lagbolt | that is def interesting |
| 02:04.52 | dvs | yeah, so hurry up developers! ;-) |
| 02:05.01 | esaym | any easy way to make free space on 2 separate disks be seen as one large space? |
| 02:05.01 | vorpal | any suggestions for running NFS securely across an untrusted network? tunneling? NFS over ssl? i've done some initial searching, but nothing is obvious yet |
| 02:05.11 | anomic | vorpal: vpn is cool |
| 02:05.23 | cast | esaym: use lvm |
| 02:05.23 | nevyn | vorpal: vpn consider not useing nfs |
| 02:05.23 | anomic | but i guess that doesn't really answer your question |
| 02:05.27 | vorpal | anomic: i've use vtun before |
| 02:05.54 | Ryan52 | vorpal: theres some security thing in nfs that uses some form of auth. I don't know, though. |
| 02:05.58 | anomic | Lagbolt: thanks for your help |
| 02:06.00 | anomic | you too, cast |
| 02:06.12 | cast | hmm |
| 02:06.40 | vorpal | nevyn: what would you suggest instead of NFS for remote filesystems? |
| 02:07.04 | Lagbolt | what is the other volume manager called? starts with E i think? |
| 02:07.13 | Ryan52 | vorpal: sshfs |
| 02:07.23 | nevyn | vorpal: sshfs, afs |
| 02:07.41 | cast | Lagbolt: i know what you're talking about,, EVMS?..dunno |
| 02:07.45 | vorpal | ah, first time i've heard of sshfs |
| 02:07.46 | Lagbolt | thats the one |
| 02:07.55 | Lagbolt | something like that. never hear much about it tho |
| 02:08.13 | Lagbolt | ah yes enterprise volume man |
| 02:08.28 | vorpal | thanks for the suggestions guys |
| 02:08.33 | cast | so you guys think it would be better to use etch-proposed-updates 2.6.24 or backport one from testing myself? |
| 02:08.49 | abrotman | former |
| 02:09.00 | cast | nods |
| 02:09.55 | cast | linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf it is |
| 02:09.58 | dvs | nods |
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| 02:14.00 | cast | right |
| 02:14.04 | cast | wish me luck |
| 02:15.59 | ricosecada | night everyone |
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| 02:17.21 | cast | seems i'm still alive |
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| 02:20.23 | Fenrir | installing gnome instead of KDE |
| 02:20.25 | Fenrir | to mah deb |
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| 02:21.22 | cast | you sick fuck |
| 02:21.32 | Fenrir | i is |
| 02:21.38 | Fenrir | but kde is ugly :/ |
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| 02:21.45 | cast | e16 4life! |
| 02:21.55 | Fenrir | cast, |
| 02:21.57 | Fenrir | can u help mee |
| 02:21.58 | Fenrir | -e |
| 02:22.03 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:22.06 | cast | i can help you e |
| 02:22.12 | Fenrir | list me the original debian deb source package sites |
| 02:22.15 | Fenrir | i have lost em |
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| 02:22.26 | Lagbolt | cast . . . dont get me started on those Australian rules about 16 year olds |
| 02:22.31 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 02:22.44 | Fenrir | i cant get a crap from Kpackage :S |
| 02:22.53 | Fenrir | i mean it wont gieb any updates |
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| 02:23.07 | cast | ~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list|rafb -y |
| 02:23.08 | cast | http://rafb.net/p/rvm58Q15.txt |
| 02:23.15 | Lagbolt | cast, give me 3 reasons i should try e16? |
| 02:23.18 | jeffwheeler | This is a very broad question, I realize, but is it even possible to run any type of virtualization of i386 hardware on a PPC machine? |
| 02:23.32 | jeffwheeler | Before I dive into trying, that is. . . |
| 02:23.39 | cast | jeffwheeler: i think so, would qemu do that? |
| 02:24.06 | jeffwheeler | cast: not sure; reading random things on the internet I've seen suggestions both ways from rather unreliable sources |
| 02:24.17 | Fenrir | cast, after gnome installed i will ask that again =P |
| 02:24.19 | cast | !info qemu |
| 02:24.24 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.9.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 10295 kB, Installed size: 29832 kB |
| 02:24.37 | cast | ahh fucker. it says it does sparc, powerpc and i386 |
| 02:24.52 | cast | just don't expect things to go fast |
| 02:25.16 | cast | Fenrir: but im only going to answer once :o |
| 02:25.24 | jeffwheeler | Hmm; that's true. It's just to do compilations in the closet, but with massive things it might be too slow anyways. You're right. |
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| 02:26.19 | Fenrir | cast, i'll add those to the place now |
| 02:26.34 | Fenrir | ect/apt? |
| 02:26.52 | cast | jeffwheeler: oh, no access to a i386 machine? |
| 02:27.26 | jeffwheeler | cast: I have an i386 machine, but that's the primary machine I'm compiling for. I thought it might be possible to offload some of the work to another machine (in the closet). |
| 02:27.32 | Fenrir | added all those |
| 02:27.36 | cast | ahh. |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | hosed my ppc box |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | :( |
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| 02:28.56 | dvs | abrotman: down with apple! |
| 02:28.59 | Fenrir | amd thanks cast |
| 02:29.00 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:29.17 | jeffwheeler | It's an old Mac Mini; works great as a web and backup server, actually. |
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| 02:30.07 | Fenrir | * and |
| 02:30.13 | elagar | hi... what program can i use to convert from ogg to avi ? |
| 02:30.36 | Lagbolt | ogg to avi? you mean ogm? |
| 02:30.37 | abrotman | ffmpeg ? |
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| 02:31.06 | elagar | ogm sorry |
| 02:31.25 | cast | .ogg and .ogm are the same container format.. |
| 02:31.25 | dbmoodb | hi i have a problem -- i upgraded from etch to lenny and my compiz fusion isn't playing ball i want to try and clear the old packages that are just hanging around in my managers ... to make things easier how do i do this ? |
| 02:31.46 | dbmoodb | ogg isn't a format it is a container - ogg vorbis and ogg the... |
| 02:31.58 | fde | What is OGM? I thought OGG was a the container format for Vorbis and Theora both? (and some others, pretty much anything really) |
| 02:32.03 | elagar | im using recordmydesktop but it makes a .ogm file that i can not use in openMovieEditor |
| 02:32.22 | Lagbolt | cast, yeah i see that, i just used to ogg for audio :( but yeah it def container |
| 02:32.22 | dbmoodb | ogm and ogg are almost the same |
| 02:32.40 | cast | ogm is an ogg container with video\ |
| 02:32.42 | dbmoodb | so can anyone help me -- trying to kill the old things listed and get compiz working |
| 02:32.50 | cast | its just a file naming convention |
| 02:32.54 | fde | cast: I thought OGG did video fine... |
| 02:33.12 | Lagbolt | hmm so when you do oggenc what is the codec? |
| 02:34.09 | fde | Lagbolt: man oggenc says vorbis. |
| 02:34.12 | Lagbolt | ah vorbis encoded audio in ogg container |
| 02:34.13 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:34.22 | Lagbolt | ok that makes sense |
| 02:34.46 | Lagbolt | elagar, ffmpeg -formats will list what it can do |
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| 02:34.59 | dbmoodb | yes it will --- just extract from the format try vlc |
| 02:35.01 | Lagbolt | looks like you should have no trouble converting with it |
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| 02:36.42 | dbmoodb | did you try renaming it ? |
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| 02:39.07 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:39.07 | dpkg | hmm... flw6 is <coredmp> umm...latest is always bettter when it comes to functionality |
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| 02:41.09 | dbmoodb | so how come no one is active today ? |
| 02:41.18 | dbmoodb | i'm trying to fix a problem :) |
| 02:41.47 | Lagbolt | what are you doing? removing compiz? |
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| 02:41.54 | dbmoodb | i did that already |
| 02:42.01 | dbmoodb | i'm removing the things that getting buggy |
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| 02:42.14 | Lagbolt | such as? |
| 02:42.16 | dbmoodb | -- tried to kill all the things from etch that are no installable anymore / not needed |
| 02:42.22 | dbmoodb | -- extra / windows not working |
| 02:42.39 | dbmoodb | like i open iceweasel and it doesn't load it .. just the top comes up |
| 02:42.50 | Lagbolt | woah |
| 02:43.14 | dbmoodb | woah |
| 02:43.39 | Lagbolt | so what files are you clearing? packages or configuration files? i am a lil confused as to where you stand |
| 02:43.49 | Lagbolt | are you using gnome? |
| 02:43.53 | dbmoodb | yeah ? |
| 02:43.57 | dbmoodb | gtk problems ? |
| 02:44.09 | dbmoodb | should i try kde |
| 02:44.11 | Lagbolt | so compiz is gone and metacity is up and running? |
| 02:44.32 | dbmoodb | well i have reinstalled compiz |
| 02:44.35 | dbmoodb | purged it |
| 02:44.44 | dbmoodb | removed things there were remaining not needed from etch |
| 02:44.49 | Lagbolt | wait, reinstalled or purged? |
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| 02:45.03 | dbmoodb | purged |
| 02:45.11 | dbmoodb | then i re installed it |
| 02:45.44 | Lagbolt | so just top comes up? what does that mean? no window decorations? |
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| 02:46.04 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 02:46.06 | dbmoodb | pretty much |
| 02:46.15 | dbmoodb | if the window is already open it is fine |
| 02:46.23 | dbmoodb | the decorator apparently is "" |
| 02:46.30 | dbmoodb | missing i suppose -- do i need emerald ? |
| 02:46.32 | keithy | hello I am looking for help with openvpn , but no one in the #openvpn room is answering anywhere else I could ask? |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | ##linux? |
| 02:47.02 | Lagbolt | i tried it a while back and when i installed the fusion icon i could get it to switch |
| 02:47.13 | keithy | I am on mac os x |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:47.25 | dbmoodb | Lagbolt: apparently i am using gtk |
| 02:47.40 | dbmoodb | keith mac os x go call up apple |
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| 02:47.45 | dbmoodb | they give you support |
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| 02:48.46 | Lagbolt | i think i used this http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html <-- used their source instead of the debian source and it worked better. dunno now tho, i dont like compiz so i took it off |
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| 02:49.30 | dbmoodb | well usually debian has good packages i suppose it wants emerald |
| 02:49.42 | dbmoodb | which isn't in the debian repos from what i see here |
| 02:50.10 | dbmoodb | nor is ccsm |
| 02:51.43 | Lagbolt | all i know is with the tuxfamily source things worked easily. but i only kept it going for a day before i went back to my previous wm |
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| 02:52.24 | dbmoodb | k? |
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| 02:52.35 | dbmoodb | might be my xaano.. thing trying that -- have to turn it off |
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| 02:54.56 | Firefishe | I'm working on a sync problem with a clie palmOS handheld. When I sync, here's what <sudo dmesg> puts forth: http://pastebin.org/37192 I'm using kpilot. |
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| 03:08.58 | Jonathan_R | i'm used to rpm, and have read the man pages for dpkg, dselect, and dpkg-deb, i need to know the debian version of rpm -q --requires |
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| 03:09.31 | Firefishe | Problem solved! Switching the device setting from /dev/pilot to usb: works. |
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| 03:10.37 | Ram | Hey! |
| 03:10.58 | Firefishe | Ram: Hey! |
| 03:11.16 | Ram | Hey! FireFishe H r u d? |
| 03:11.30 | Firefishe | normal ingles, por favor ;) hee |
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| 03:12.02 | Firefishe | I'm all right, Ram. A bit tired. Today has attacked me bit by bit, wearing me down somewhat. I'm doing okay now, though. |
| 03:12.39 | Firefishe | Solved a persnickety palm pilot problem that's been plaguing me for a few days now. Solved it with a simple device change. As usual, it was simple, and staring me in the face all the time., |
| 03:12.41 | Firefishe | * |
| 03:12.46 | Ram | Ok! just give me advice on the best Linux version I could have on my PC |
| 03:13.02 | Firefishe | Debian, of course ;) |
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| 03:13.17 | Ram | Is that small secure and easy to use |
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| 03:13.30 | Firefishe | What kind of distro are you looking for? |
| 03:13.49 | Firefishe | Or, put more aptly, what is your purpose for your install of gnu/linux? |
| 03:14.10 | Ram | I have troubles with windows |
| 03:14.15 | Firefishe | who doesn't ;) hee |
| 03:14.24 | Ram | itis not secure |
| 03:14.25 | tomfmason | ah.. I got my sound card working on my laptop.. That was a *real* pita. |
| 03:14.32 | Firefishe | How much do you know about linux, Ram? |
| 03:14.35 | Ram | people hack and delete files |
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| 03:14.48 | Firefishe | tomfmason: I hear ya. Had to deal with that on my old Sager laptop. |
| 03:14.58 | Ram | Not much I have used a different flavour of Unix |
| 03:15.11 | Firefishe | BSD's? |
| 03:15.28 | Firefishe | AIX, HP/UX? |
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| 03:15.30 | Ram | AT&T HP ux only at a user level |
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| 03:16.07 | tomfmason | overall the debian install on this laptop was.... less than pleasant. I have never really had a problem like this before but then again I always used old hardware. |
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| 03:16.26 | Firefishe | What is your primary difficulty? |
| 03:16.36 | Ram | So debain can be downloaded on to a CD and I can run with NTFS |
| 03:16.38 | Lagbolt | tomfmason, what is your laptop? |
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| 03:17.20 | tomfmason | acer aspire 5315-2142 nothing fancy but newer than anything else I have debian on |
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| 03:17.41 | Lagbolt | tomfmason, and what is not working? |
| 03:17.50 | Ram | I wanna the OS to be small, secure and independent of the filesystem |
| 03:18.06 | Ram | that I have on my HDisk |
| 03:18.09 | Firefishe | Ram: perhaps a Live CD? |
| 03:18.09 | tomfmason | everything is fine now.. Took me most of the weekend and afterwork today to get working |
| 03:18.27 | Lagbolt | i see, just curious tho, what were the biggest trouble makers |
| 03:18.31 | Ram | Where do I get that Firefishe? |
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| 03:18.42 | tomfmason | first the kernel that shipped with the etch dvd didn't work with my NICs or sound cards |
| 03:19.04 | tomfmason | that was a real pita because I couldn't get network access to upgrade the kernel |
| 03:19.06 | Lagbolt | ouch |
| 03:19.11 | Ram | I heard some thing abt dammnsmalllinux |
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| 03:19.52 | x1250 | hey guys, kind of offtopic, but its worth. I'm doing an informative ppt for a university. I wonder if there is a list of known enterprises that uses linux, like IBM. |
| 03:19.59 | Ram | Is that a good one to fulfill normal browsing? |
| 03:20.32 | Lagbolt | Ram, what are you trying to do? just have a small install to browse with? what was that about ntfs earlier? you want to install to ntfs partition? |
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| 03:21.09 | Ram | I wanna leave the NTFS on my Hdisk as it is and have the OS on the CD |
| 03:21.26 | Ram | so that it is not affected by virus |
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| 03:21.48 | Lagbolt | interesting |
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| 03:22.08 | Fenrir | grr |
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| 03:22.17 | Fenrir | how to hell suposed i unpack rar archive |
| 03:22.28 | Fenrir | when i cant get unrar working |
| 03:22.30 | Fenrir | soft |
| 03:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | rar x something.rar |
| 03:22.39 | orudie | does anyone know of ploticus? i'm having trouble getting pl to be executable |
| 03:22.51 | Lagbolt | unrar x foo.rar |
| 03:23.03 | Lagbolt | ram virus? |
| 03:23.12 | Ram | Yeah! |
| 03:23.28 | Lagbolt | Ram, why dont you just get a live cd or a usb distro and call it a day |
| 03:24.06 | Ram | Ok! Thnkx I will to search for this in debain website? |
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| 03:24.16 | Fenrir | Lagbolt, as i said i dont got unrar instaled |
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| 03:24.20 | Fenrir | cant get it installed |
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| 03:24.43 | Lagbolt | fengor, apt-get install unrar |
| 03:24.54 | Fenrir | it aint installing it that way |
| 03:24.58 | Ram | Thnks Lagbolt and Firefish |
| 03:24.59 | Lagbolt | Fenrir, that is sorry fengor |
| 03:25.05 | bitweiler | whichh java packages do i need for internet gaming |
| 03:25.29 | Fenrir | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 03:25.29 | Lagbolt | Fenrir, apt-cache search unrar |
| 03:25.29 | Fenrir | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 03:25.31 | Fenrir | wtf ? |
| 03:25.45 | streuner | bitweiler: /msg dpkg java |
| 03:25.53 | Lagbolt | Fenrir, do you have another apt running or update manager or synaptic |
| 03:26.09 | streuner | Fenrir: make sure you running apt or dpkg only once at time |
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| 03:26.39 | Fenrir | dpkg = package system ? |
| 03:26.40 | dpkg | Fenrir: are you using Windows? |
| 03:26.42 | BubbaT | i'm having trouble mounting via nfs. I keep getting permission denied. Is there a way to specify user and password? |
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| 03:27.45 | streuner | Fenrir: apt-get/aptitude is the tool to manage to get the packages, dpkg is the tool which manipulate and install them |
| 03:28.11 | streuner | so yes, dpkg is part of that system |
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| 03:29.02 | Fenrir | streuner ok i got one w/ package manager going |
| 03:29.06 | Fenrir | so it might affect ? |
| 03:29.16 | streuner | sure |
| 03:29.32 | Fenrir | ok so need to w8 if it goes off |
| 03:29.34 | streuner | BubbaT: show us the the whole command and error in paste.debian.net |
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| 03:30.50 | Fenrir | streuner, still doesnt let me install |
| 03:30.54 | Fenrir | even nothing going on |
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| 03:31.48 | streuner | Fenrir: where did you download the iso, show us the URL |
| 03:32.17 | Fenrir | streuner, you mean my distribution ? |
| 03:32.42 | streuner | Fenrir: no, where did you get the iso from? |
| 03:32.47 | *** part/#debian orudie (n=orudie@ool-457173ad.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:32.47 | Fenrir | What iso |
| 03:33.02 | Fenrir | I am trying to unrar a rar package |
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| 03:34.04 | Fenrir | what iso you mean |
| 03:34.10 | streuner | Fenrir> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 03:34.16 | streuner | Fenrir: forget that |
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| 03:34.36 | Fenrir | streuner, now it allowed to install it but returned sum errors |
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| 03:34.51 | BubbaT | http://pastebin.com/m65e6bc23 |
| 03:34.53 | Fenrir | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 03:34.53 | Fenrir | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:34.53 | Fenrir | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:34.53 | Fenrir | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 03:35.06 | Fenrir | oh soz |
| 03:35.30 | Fenrir | anyhow , there is also that i cant get anything from the packets of debian |
| 03:35.48 | Fenrir | K-Package |
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| 03:36.00 | stew | BubbaT: did you add something to /etc/exports on the server to allow this host? |
| 03:36.05 | Fenrir | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 03:36.10 | BubbaT | Yep. |
| 03:36.26 | stew | BubbaT: have you run exportfs since changing exports? |
| 03:36.54 | streuner | Fenrir: just install locales, but show us the command and the whole error in paste.debian.net |
| 03:37.23 | Fenrir | streuner, as i said i cant get locales from Kpackages |
| 03:37.24 | Fenrir | :FF |
| 03:37.30 | Fenrir | it wont download em |
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| 03:38.02 | BubbaT | stew, no but i restarted nfs-common and nfs-user-server |
| 03:38.03 | streuner | Fenrir: quit all package manager or such, and run "aptitude install locales" |
| 03:38.07 | puff | Hi... had a question about the ssl exploit. |
| 03:38.20 | puff | I updated my two machines on friday; one debian etch, the other ubuntu gutsy. |
| 03:38.25 | BubbaT | showmount shows the partition |
| 03:38.27 | Fenrir | streuner, kk |
| 03:38.35 | puff | The gutsy machine crashed friday early evening, came up and fsck failed, said to run manually. |
| 03:38.39 | Fenrir | streuner, installing now |
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| 03:39.05 | puff | I left on a trip, got back, the debian etch box crashed this afternoon, similar fsck error, "Unexpected inconsistency, run fsck manually" |
| 03:39.25 | Fenrir | ur kernel needs sedatives |
| 03:39.30 | Fenrir | it panics :S |
| 03:39.40 | puff | Which makes me really, really wonder if there's something going on with the open ssl patch. |
| 03:39.51 | stew | puff: this is not related to the openssl patch |
| 03:40.04 | BubbaT | in fact i just tried exportfs and was told no such command. |
| 03:40.06 | puff | stew: Okay, just wanted to make sure, given the suspicious timing. |
| 03:40.39 | Fenrir | streuner, i am off to smoke a ciggy , i'll tell ya when installed locales |
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| 03:42.03 | Fenrir | Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk this spot atm |
| 03:42.04 | stew | BubbaT: yes, it appears that is only for the nfs-kernel-server |
| 03:45.15 | BubbaT | Is there a way to specify user/passwd in the mount command? |
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| 03:46.13 | lkthomas | if I want to use ldap to manage directory service, other than openldap itself, what eise do I need ? |
| 03:47.11 | streuner | hm, NFS support user/passwd? |
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| 03:47.25 | streuner | BubbaT: read man exports |
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| 03:48.16 | torshido | which kind of ssh key is "better"? DSA or RSA? why? |
| 03:48.25 | Fenrir | on streuner its ready |
| 03:48.35 | Fenrir | what was the command on pastebot ? |
| 03:48.59 | n3kl | Doods, why was I kicked? |
| 03:49.13 | Fenrir | Luetaan pakettiluetteloita... Valmis |
| 03:49.13 | Fenrir | Muodostetaan riippuvuussuhteiden puu... Valmis |
| 03:49.13 | Fenrir | Luen tilatietoja |
| 03:49.13 | Fenrir | Alustan pakettien tiloja... Valmis |
| 03:49.13 | *** kick/#debian [Fenrir!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 03:49.19 | streuner | omg |
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| 03:49.29 | Fenrir | Kirjoitan tilatietoja... Valmis |
| 03:49.31 | Fenrir | Setting up linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-20) ... |
| 03:49.35 | Fenrir | Running depmod. |
| 03:49.37 | Fenrir | Finding valid ramdisk creators. |
| 03:49.39 | Fenrir | Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. |
| 03:49.41 | Fenrir | Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled |
| 03:49.43 | Fenrir | (2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch4 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 03:49.45 | Fenrir | Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled |
| 03:49.47 | Fenrir | (2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch4 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
| 03:49.49 | Fenrir | Running postinst hook script /sbin/update-grub. |
| 03:49.51 | Fenrir | You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead! |
| 03:49.53 | Fenrir | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 03:49.55 | Fenrir | Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default |
| 03:49.57 | Fenrir | Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:49.59 | Fenrir | Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... |
| 03:50.01 | Fenrir | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 03:50.05 | Fenrir | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 03:50.07 | Fenrir | WTF |
| 03:50.09 | Fenrir | i messaged bot |
| 03:50.11 | Fenrir | used /msg infront |
| 03:50.13 | Fenrir | i dont get this -.- |
| 03:50.29 | n3kl | debhelper: Why was I kicked, please? |
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| 03:51.02 | streuner | n3kl: debhelper is a bot, it usually make sure, nobody flooding the channel... |
| 03:51.30 | streuner | well, for Fenrir we might need a other solution :-) |
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| 03:52.01 | n3kl | I was kicked in at 140 in the morning, I was sleeping. So I am not aspammer |
| 03:52.13 | Fenrir | streuner, ? |
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| 03:52.34 | elagar | hi.. there is mencoder in lenny? |
| 03:52.46 | streuner | !find mencoder |
| 03:53.06 | streuner | hm, could be that's in mplayer package |
| 03:53.17 | streuner | !info mplayer lenny |
| 03:53.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mencoder' (2): (/usr/share/kino/scripts/exports/mencoder.sh) in graphics/kino ;; (/usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/cs/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/de/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/mencoder.html) in graphics/mplayer-doc. |
| 03:53.46 | dpkg | mplayer: (movie player for Unix-like systems), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc2-8 (lenny), Packaged size: 4936 kB, Installed size: 10424 kB |
| 03:53.46 | streuner | n3kl: i don't see something in /lastlog |
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| 03:54.15 | streuner | elagar: use packages.debian.org/ to search for |
| 03:54.28 | n3kl | streuner: n3kl was kicked from #debian-overflow by debhelper [idle 5 min] |
| 03:54.43 | streuner | n3kl: ah, that makes sense then |
| 03:54.53 | n3kl | 5 min idle as a standard kicking rule would make for an empty room |
| 03:55.08 | streuner | n3kl: #debian-overflow starts to kick everyone after 5 minutes... |
| 03:55.08 | bitweiler | hey does mplayer play *.wmv files |
| 03:55.58 | n3kl | streuner: not to press the issue, but I was logged in for like two weeks |
| 03:56.00 | BubbaT | stew if it possibly because I am trying to mount a tmpfs? |
| 03:56.20 | streuner | n3kl: in #debian, but not in #debian-overflow |
| 03:56.25 | n3kl | streuner: is it five minutes of unresponse from my connection? Like maybe my internet went offline or something |
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| 03:56.42 | streuner | n3kl: no |
| 03:56.54 | n3kl | streuner: which am I in now? |
| 03:57.10 | streuner | n3kl: run /topic |
| 03:58.39 | n3kl | Hmm. strange, Maybe I got pushed to overflow or something. I don't get it. meh |
| 03:58.42 | n3kl | streuner: thanks |
| 03:59.20 | streuner | n3kl: read freenode.net and FAQ or such, it explains what feature that is... |
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| 04:01.28 | streuner | n3kl: basically in case of flooding this channel, people would be directed to #debian-overflow |
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| 04:03.27 | streuner | n3kl: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 04:10.56 | n3kl | streuner: there are all kinds of things with irc/freenode I never knew |
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| 04:14.07 | bitweiler | do any of ya'll run firewalls on your laptops? |
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| 04:20.08 | Level1Tech | linux laptops? |
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| 04:20.31 | joelsolanki | Good Morning Guys |
| 04:20.32 | Level1Tech | +J |
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| 04:20.47 | Level1Tech | still pm here |
| 04:20.53 | joelsolanki | ahh ok :) |
| 04:20.54 | bitweiler | Level1Tech: yes, linux laptops |
| 04:21.10 | joelsolanki | Its 10.50 am here :) |
| 04:21.11 | bitweiler | still pm here as well |
| 04:21.29 | joelsolanki | I have a software which has been created on debian. so its a iso image |
| 04:21.47 | Level1Tech | Sounds great |
| 04:21.49 | joelsolanki | but right now that iso image is binded to have my cdrom on /dev/hdc |
| 04:22.08 | Level1Tech | bondage can be fun too |
| 04:22.21 | joelsolanki | but my machine doesnt have /dev/hdc but i have /dev/hdb as this is new machine i cant have /dev/hdc |
| 04:23.01 | joelsolanki | so the question is can i found the iso image on my debian and then change the content to poing from /dev/hdc to /dev/hdb and create the iso from it. and do you that can work ? |
| 04:23.17 | joelsolanki | i mean to mount |
| 04:24.53 | joelsolanki | i just want the iso image to look for /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hdc |
| 04:24.56 | joelsolanki | can it be done ? |
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| 04:40.42 | sandman | WOuld anyone happen to know why I'd have to reinstall nVidia drivers every time I boot my computer/ |
| 04:40.51 | cast | different kernel? |
| 04:40.56 | sandman | For some reason, I get a "Removing nVidia TLS links... done!" every boot |
| 04:41.02 | sandman | nope, same kernel every time. |
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| 04:42.38 | Pav5088 | I'm wanting to install packages via script (eg. using apt-get or dpkg), and I want to configure package options automagically. Is there a way to do this non-interactively? |
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| 04:56.23 | billy12 | ssh-vulnkey -a said i have 2 "COMPROMISED:", what do i do about it |
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| 05:02.28 | cast | billy12: regen keys. reinstall server if securities important |
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| 05:04.34 | Snadder | Why does: apt-file update give me: Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 05:05.57 | cast | 14:35:54 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 05:06.02 | cast | probably because the files not there. |
| 05:06.41 | Snadder | Trying to find the ssh-vulnkey program |
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| 05:07.45 | cast | openssh-client: /usr/bin/ssh-vulnkey |
| 05:08.03 | Daemonax | Anyone here got any experience getting connected to the internet in China? I plug in the ethernet cable and it finds a protected 802.1 connection, I've got the username and passwd but it won't auth. |
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| 05:09.34 | dutchfish | billy12, if you run ecth, did you dist-upgrade? |
| 05:09.47 | dutchfish | s/ecth/etch |
| 05:10.28 | Snadder | Why does apt-get try to install openssh-server when I already have an ssh server? |
| 05:10.30 | Level1Tech | China schmina |
| 05:10.46 | Snadder | happens when I try to install openssh-client |
| 05:10.52 | cast | Snadder: and your ssh server is? |
| 05:11.01 | dutchfish | Snadder, because there is a newer version from security updates |
| 05:11.30 | Snadder | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8 |
| 05:11.58 | dutchfish | 4.3p2-9etch2 is latest |
| 05:12.24 | dutchfish | arent you running etch Snadder? |
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| 05:14.23 | Snadder | dutchfish, I'm running lenny |
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| 05:15.22 | dutchfish | !info openssh-server lenny |
| 05:15.27 | dpkg | openssh-server: (secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.7p1-9 (lenny), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 648 kB |
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| 05:18.38 | dutchfish | Snadder, and libssl needs 0.9.8g-9 in lenny (fxied) |
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| 05:18.40 | crazyfrog | in debian ,what device file is associated with parallel port? |
| 05:19.03 | dutchfish | Snadder, http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
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| 05:24.06 | Snadder | dutchfish, thanks |
| 05:24.13 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, normally somethin glike /dev/lp0 |
| 05:24.38 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, what you want to do with it? |
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| 05:25.47 | sigour | Yo.. |
| 05:26.04 | sigour | Something is happenin when I try to boot xen on etch. It just fails to load |
| 05:26.18 | sigour | and then loads the next kernel. Anyone have any debian docs? |
| 05:27.43 | dutchfish | sigour, xen-docs-3.0 or xen-docs-3.2 (packages) |
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| 05:28.20 | sigour | nice |
| 05:28.33 | sigour | thx dutchfish i'll be back after I read those i'm sure ;-) |
| 05:28.40 | dutchfish | if you tell is more maybe we can help |
| 05:29.07 | sigour | well my server has two plugs. |
| 05:29.17 | sigour | I can't easily hookup a monitor. I installed xen |
| 05:29.23 | sigour | put it in grub |
| 05:29.27 | sigour | made it default |
| 05:29.34 | sigour | but when I reboot, it just loads the second entry |
| 05:29.35 | dutchfish | sigour, http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 05:29.52 | sigour | i'm there now ;=) |
| 05:30.04 | dutchfish | sigour, xen config lines in grub is 2 parts a kernel line and one for the hypervisor |
| 05:30.07 | rm | btw, what do you think is the fastest VM solution currently? |
| 05:30.11 | crazyfrog | dutchfish:j just read a manual about modems through parallel port |
| 05:30.21 | sigour | rm, I *JUST* discovered virtualbox today |
| 05:30.23 | nevyn | rm: for what workload?? |
| 05:30.30 | dutchfish | rm, xen |
| 05:30.31 | sigour | i've got to evaluate them a bit more |
| 05:30.32 | nevyn | by what metric? |
| 05:30.45 | dutchfish | rm, if server side |
| 05:30.54 | rm | nevyn, guest system must provide performance as close to native as possible |
| 05:31.16 | rm | server-side yes |
| 05:31.32 | rm | database processing |
| 05:31.41 | dutchfish | rm, check cpu for vt and use lvm2 |
| 05:31.44 | billy12 | Virtualbox is really good |
| 05:32.08 | sigour | I have debian and fc8. I've been fuitile in getting vmware working |
| 05:32.13 | billy12 | it runs XP faster then native |
| 05:32.18 | rm | virtualbox is gui only, isn't it |
| 05:32.19 | dutchfish | virtualbox and qemu/kvm are other options, but i prefer xen on server |
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| 05:32.21 | sigour | billy12, so I hear |
| 05:32.25 | billy12 | yea, i think |
| 05:32.36 | sigour | i'm instlaling xp on it now |
| 05:32.38 | billy12 | qemu w/ kqemu is good |
| 05:32.40 | cast | rm: vserver or similar, OS level virtualization is fastest me thinks |
| 05:32.53 | Snadder | do I need to regenerate ssh identity keyfiles too? |
| 05:32.54 | billy12 | but not as fast as virtualbox |
| 05:32.55 | rm | there is xen, kvm, openvz, vservers, etc... |
| 05:33.10 | sigour | damn how I hate the "saving settings" install step. nobody really knows what it's doing |
| 05:33.12 | cast | ahh, openvz was what i was thinking of. that or vserver |
| 05:33.18 | billy12 | KVM only works w/ hard ware support |
| 05:33.20 | dutchfish | Snadder, yes, read the wiki link i gave |
| 05:33.30 | rm | of these I tried only vservers, and there were complains from users that virtual systems are "slower" than comparable physical servers |
| 05:33.45 | billy12 | like intel's VT |
| 05:33.47 | rm | no any reliable tests though |
| 05:34.03 | rm | also i don't like that vservers needs to share kernel version among all guests |
| 05:34.08 | billy12 | do you need a gui? |
| 05:34.15 | dutchfish | rm, if your on the LAMP track or DB then xen rocks out the rest |
| 05:34.19 | sigour | well paravirtualization helps achieve near native speeds |
| 05:35.04 | dutchfish | rm, second choice for me would be qemu/kvm but thats not so mature yet |
| 05:35.22 | Snadder | dutchfish, so if i've logged in passwordless with an identity keyfile from an debian box who's vuln.. but the keyfile is generated on an other linux distro.. could the key be compromised? |
| 05:35.44 | dutchfish | Snadder, abosolutely, yes |
| 05:36.24 | Snadder | Damn.. means alot of work in regenerating lots of new keys |
| 05:36.25 | sigour | what is the diff between xen-X.Y.Z and xen-vserver-X.Y.Z ? |
| 05:36.59 | dutchfish | sigour, the forst one runs dom-0 and dom-u's the second one only dom-u's that dont need hardware access |
| 05:37.08 | dutchfish | s/forst/first |
| 05:37.24 | dutchfish | more or less |
| 05:37.30 | rm | what's the virtualization flag's name in /proc/cpuinfo for intel? |
| 05:37.45 | sigour | rm, vt |
| 05:38.01 | Snadder | dutchfish, but not if i've logged in from a debian box.. to another non-vuln box.. with a normal ssh password? |
| 05:38.19 | rm | model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5335 @ 2.00GHz |
| 05:38.27 | rm | hasn't vt :( |
| 05:38.47 | rm | ok thanks |
| 05:39.07 | dutchfish | rm, http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechComparison |
| 05:39.27 | sigour | rm, I think they introduced vt into core2duo .. unless you went specifically looking for vt in your cpu |
| 05:39.36 | dutchfish | rm, on the xen wiki pages is also explained how to check vt or amds paravirt option |
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| 05:40.44 | sigour | nice one dutchfish |
| 05:41.11 | rm | thanks |
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| 05:42.09 | Fenrir | grr |
| 05:42.09 | rm | heh it seems that CPU supports it after all |
| 05:42.13 | rm | the flag is just called "vmx" |
| 05:42.21 | Fenrir | now i have no chance to moun the darn HDD at all :S |
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| 05:42.22 | dutchfish | rm, there you go |
| 05:42.51 | sigour | whoops. just rebooted my name server |
| 05:42.53 | sigour | ;) |
| 05:43.15 | sigour | wonders why he has one for his 3 comp network |
| 05:44.29 | dutchfish | Snadder, using vuln keys by any means is considered risky |
| 05:44.42 | dutchfish | Snadder, fix it |
| 05:46.14 | dutchfish | Snadder, there is a check program if in doubt |
| 05:46.36 | Snadder | When I log into an non-vuln ssh server is the ssh client generating vuln keys? |
| 05:47.09 | Snadder | I belived that didnt happend on the client side |
| 05:47.09 | dutchfish | Snadder, no, but using a vuln key on a non vuln server is the same risk |
| 05:47.40 | Snadder | Yeah. |
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| 05:48.52 | Snadder | What is the codename for debian version 4.0 ? |
| 05:49.00 | dutchfish | Snadder, if you debian etch update and upgrade is enough to regenerate the keys, for lenny follow the wiki |
| 05:49.03 | Fenrir | etch ? |
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| 05:49.22 | dutchfish | !etch |
| 05:49.22 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 05:49.32 | Snadder | ok |
| 05:50.12 | Snadder | on my lenny box.. the new keys got generated automaticly.. but not on my etch box. |
| 05:50.26 | Snadder | I've dist-upgraded both |
| 05:50.35 | dutchfish | Snadder, did you also dist-upgrade on that etchbox? |
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| 05:51.57 | Snadder | Yep |
| 05:52.46 | dutchfish | Snadder, then you keys are good, if you want you can run ssh-vulnkey -a (as root) to check existing keys again |
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| 05:53.18 | Snadder | Yeah. looks good. |
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| 05:55.22 | Snadder | On that etch box.. I also have some dsa keys for an ftp server created with openssl.. how can I test those certs? |
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| 05:57.13 | Snadder | If the openssh server key is ok.. is also the ftp server key ok? |
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| 05:58.15 | dutchfish | Snadder, read the wiki please, all in there |
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| 05:58.20 | starz | well |
| 05:58.26 | starz | i give up on ubuntu for having a good server lol |
| 05:58.38 | starz | i was trying to run it as we sell a buttload / day at work |
| 05:58.39 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 05:58.39 | dpkg | debianlove is, like, the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 05:58.42 | starz | yeh |
| 05:58.50 | Snadder | dutchfish, ok. |
| 05:58.53 | starz | i'z old skewl debianz |
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| 05:59.06 | starz | !format war |
| 05:59.08 | starz | er |
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| 05:59.32 | starz | aww |
| 05:59.38 | starz | i cant remember the command ; ; |
| 05:59.59 | dutchfish | wo got the point ;) |
| 06:00.04 | starz | ;) |
| 06:00.30 | starz | what can i say, but that debian reboots are a. kernel updates b. power outages |
| 06:00.31 | starz | lol |
| 06:00.55 | starz | though i'm installing fresh etch server via netboot - is openssh package updated? |
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| 06:01.04 | starz | is there something special i need to put in to get that fix? |
| 06:01.57 | shital_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:03.17 | CaT[t3] | so when I see Public Key .... blacklisted in my auth.log does that mean someone tried to hack their way into my box? |
| 06:03.30 | starz | no not nessisarally |
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| 06:03.45 | starz | the salt wasnt so salty for a bit there... the randomness was based on pid |
| 06:03.58 | starz | so there is a blacklist of unsecure keys now. |
| 06:04.01 | CaT[t3] | yes, I know. |
| 06:04.31 | CaT[t3] | it's just that I have a. connections from unknown ip at the same time as b. the above log entries which led to c. ssh locking up |
| 06:04.39 | starz | oh |
| 06:04.45 | starz | you might have gotten owned..... |
| 06:04.54 | CaT[t3] | only if ssl is still broken |
| 06:05.02 | starz | nodds |
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| 06:05.33 | starz | but the question you asked if seeing a blocked key meant hacking. which is not quite. |
| 06:05.35 | starz | iirc |
| 06:05.35 | CaT[t3] | and if it is I swear I'm going to break a lot of things and possible harvest a distinct desire to hurt someone as I replaced 250+ keys as a result of that wee little breakage. |
| 06:06.05 | CaT[t3] | now the question is... wtf did sshd lock up |
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| 06:08.59 | CaT[t3] | there's nothing in the logs. this be annoying |
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| 06:16.51 | ircslut | China schmina |
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| 06:19.58 | cast | ive been procrastinating for 4 days :< |
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| 06:20.18 | cast | no more i say! |
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| 06:20.42 | ircslut | procrastination sucks |
| 06:21.02 | bolt | procrastination is tiresome. time to go narcoleptic |
| 06:21.23 | cast | wait wait, can't start yet. have to get some chocolate |
| 06:22.29 | bolt | definately |
| 06:22.35 | ircslut | and a good romp |
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| 06:27.27 | cast | 'I'll start with active voice because it's simpler. In an active sentence, the subject is doing the action.' |
| 06:27.47 | cast | ....did that conjure up sexual connitations for anyone else? |
| 06:28.30 | CaT[t3] | only when put in a sexual context. |
| 06:29.03 | cast | the subject is doing the action, don't think it gets any more sexual than that dude |
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| 06:29.22 | CaT[t3] | if that's as sexual as it gets for you then you need to get out more :) |
| 06:29.50 | lagbolt | lol i agree |
| 06:30.17 | cast | but then i wouldn't be able to use debian :< |
| 06:30.38 | CaT[t3] | cast: then you're using it wrong. :) |
| 06:31.27 | lagbolt | as long as he's using it <-- sexually? or not? :-; |
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| 06:34.24 | irctrollslut | lmao |
| 06:34.24 | irctrollslut | heard that |
| 06:34.35 | irctrollslut | it takes lube and protection...very important |
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| 06:34.54 | lagbolt | yeah . . . linux hasnt caught herpes yet lol |
| 06:35.12 | lagbolt | hasnt been in bed with Xp without a samba condemn |
| 06:35.19 | cast | when was the last time you greased your bearings? |
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| 06:36.15 | geeknerd | oh yeah man, either way, youll still need those items |
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| 06:37.31 | geeknerd | even for non sexual use... |
| 06:37.31 | geeknerd | I would go so far as to say especially for non sexual use....youll need the condom at least |
| 06:37.31 | geeknerd | I dont go near my box without a condom |
| 06:37.45 | cast | i saw a sex once |
| 06:38.42 | versuchsanstalt | what's the easiest way to read line number foo from a text file on the command line? |
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| 06:39.36 | geeknerd | man...I know of people with vista isssues, but is it really as bad as some people say |
| 06:39.37 | geeknerd | In general? |
| 06:39.37 | geeknerd | fucking vista |
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| 06:39.54 | Penix | !ot |
| 06:39.54 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 06:40.13 | versuchsanstalt | say, i have a file i read using cat -n, found out the relevant line and now want to cat this particular line? |
| 06:41.28 | Beerded | versuchsanstalt: just grep the line-number |
| 06:41.55 | geeknerd | not like theres a lot going on in here...dont think off topic is that bad right now |
| 06:41.59 | Beerded | versuchsanstalt: cat -n filename | grep linenumber |
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| 06:42.14 | geeknerd | Look out... go beerded |
| 06:42.17 | versuchsanstalt | yeah, |
| 06:42.18 | civillian | OK how do I hold kernels off a dist-upgrade?? Indefinitly; until linux version 10 :P |
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| 06:42.31 | Penix | civillian: /msg dpkg hold |
| 06:42.44 | civillian | ok ill try... |
| 06:42.47 | civillian | mumbles |
| 06:42.57 | versuchsanstalt | Beerded: what was the regexp for "number foo if at the beginning of the line"? |
| 06:43.23 | versuchsanstalt | i got to learn them at last, darn it |
| 06:43.32 | puff` | cast: Active voice is generally more readable, but passive voice *does* come in handy when you're trying to focus attention on the object rather than the subject. |
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| 06:43.45 | puff` | versuchsanstalt: "^99" |
| 06:43.58 | puff` | versuchsanstalt: Or you could write a trivial perl script to do it. |
| 06:44.05 | versuchsanstalt | puff`: thanks a lot |
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| 06:44.11 | versuchsanstalt | ^foo will do |
| 06:44.18 | civillian | Penix: whats the kernel package name without specifying version? |
| 06:44.23 | civillian | just linux-image? |
| 06:44.24 | puff` | versuchsanstalt: Really, it's about the trivial-est perl script there is. |
| 06:44.59 | versuchsanstalt | puff`: just a few chars, hmm? :-) |
| 06:45.29 | pinksock | yes |
| 06:45.49 | debian2_6_24_1am | anyone know what this means Clockevents: could not switch to one-shot mode: lapic is not functional. |
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| 06:46.08 | pinksock | sounds bad |
| 06:46.22 | civillian | Penix: didn't work |
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| 06:46.26 | civillian | dpkg: didnt work : |
| 06:46.26 | dpkg | civillian: I give up, what is it? |
| 06:46.28 | samuel | hello all |
| 06:46.32 | civillian | :P |
| 06:46.56 | civillian | there has got to be a simple way to remove linux kernel updates |
| 06:47.06 | Beerded | versuchsanstalt: cat -n filename | egrep "^ *16 " will give you line 16 |
| 06:47.07 | debian2_6_24_1am | a question i wasent playing guess what i have |
| 06:47.17 | civillian | I'm not going to enter a command for each kernel version that comes out |
| 06:47.40 | Beerded | versuchsanstalt: cat -n gives you a 'tab' character after the linenumber |
| 06:48.18 | versuchsanstalt | Beerded: great, thanks for the hint |
| 06:48.35 | samuel | anyone know any program that can automatically search for mp3 album names from the song name and the artist name and amend the mp3 tag? |
| 06:49.07 | puff` | id3tool |
| 06:49.10 | doke_ | samuel: search or play as well? |
| 06:49.24 | doke_ | ;) |
| 06:50.02 | pinksock | still going to be a chore to rename your collection |
| 06:50.04 | samuel | :) |
| 06:50.23 | samuel | i know but i dont really care that its 100% right |
| 06:50.35 | pinksock | that id3tool works |
| 06:50.36 | samuel | just a program to give me a starting point |
| 06:50.42 | pinksock | itunes |
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| 06:50.53 | pinksock | its all a pain in the ass |
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| 06:51.39 | puff` | samuel: there's an id3 library for most languages, pick your language and go. |
| 06:51.42 | samuel | pinksock: but thats just to change id3's i want something to look for them for me |
| 06:51.50 | puff` | samuel: id3.org |
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| 06:51.58 | samuel | puff`: id3.org? |
| 06:52.44 | puff` | samuel: Yes. |
| 06:53.03 | samuel | that doesnt seem to have a database of any sort |
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| 06:53.20 | puff` | Try clicking on "implementations" |
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| 06:58.43 | rm | is there no Xen linux-image in Testing at the moment? |
| 06:59.38 | rm | and not even a kernel patch |
| 06:59.50 | rm | or is this not needed anymore? |
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| 07:05.05 | flaccid | heya with dpkg or apt is there a way to install all debian packages stored in a given folder like /path/*.deb ? |
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| 07:05.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | flaccid, dpkg -i * /path/*deb |
| 07:05.48 | flaccid | ah cool thanks |
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| 07:06.19 | iateadonu1 | what is debian's default firewall setup? |
| 07:06.32 | iateadonu1 | what programs/daemons does it use? |
| 07:06.51 | sep | iateadonu1, the default is "do not run services you do not need" |
| 07:07.14 | sep | iateadonu1, and there is iptables and a handful of iptable frontends available |
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| 07:07.35 | sep | iateadonu1, i like shorewall. but there is no "default" except what you choose to use |
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| 07:07.37 | x1250 | iptables has no default rules, and it should be like that |
| 07:08.57 | versuchsanstalt | what can i use to transcode utf-8 to ascii? |
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| 07:09.20 | versuchsanstalt | in a command line pipe that is |
| 07:09.45 | rm | iconv |
| 07:09.47 | sep | iconv? |
| 07:09.57 | acemi | iateadonu1: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26813 |
| 07:10.45 | versuchsanstalt | thank you both rm and sep |
| 07:11.34 | slackd00d | is there somewhere to read how to beable to mount .iso's in as a regular user |
| 07:11.47 | versuchsanstalt | ha, iconv seems to know of a lot of encodings, good :-) |
| 07:11.51 | rm | looks like there are Xen tools, but no Xen kernel, not even in Sid (etch only) |
| 07:12.08 | cast | there's a xen kernel. |
| 07:12.28 | cast | linux-image-2.6-xen |
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| 07:12.51 | rm | one is expected to compile own kernel from xen patches |
| 07:13.14 | rm | which are too, not even in Lenny or Sid |
| 07:13.14 | rm | cast, where? |
| 07:13.25 | rm | ohh! |
| 07:13.27 | slackd00d | when i tried to compile the nvidia driver for the 2.6.25-686 it says its a xen kernel |
| 07:13.28 | rm | thank you |
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| 07:13.48 | cast | http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6-xen everywhere |
| 07:13.48 | rm | search for "xen" on packages.debian.org didn't find it, and my local apt-cache is too old... |
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| 07:14.28 | rm | yes i see now, thanks. before i tried just http://packages.debian.org/xen |
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| 07:20.54 | ghatak | Hi, I have a sarge box, which I can not upgrade to ETCH atm. I want to upgrade clam on it, however when i do apt-get install clamav, it wants to upgrade loads of other stuff too. How do i ensure that only clam gets updated to most recent version |
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| 07:22.37 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: backport clamav to sarge. |
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| 07:22.52 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: however, you should update to etch, because sarge is no longer supported. |
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| 07:30.58 | Halitherses | how do I install java on my debian etch system? |
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| 07:33.36 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:33.55 | kasimon | Hello! |
| 07:34.29 | kasimon | I think i found a problem with ssh-keyscan and would like to check it with someone |
| 07:35.20 | kasimon | at my site, hashed keys are not accepted by ssh as known hosts content if generated by ssh-keyscan |
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| 07:35.56 | kasimon | if i run ssh-keyscan without "-H" the keys are accepted. Can someone confirm this? |
| 07:37.27 | kasimon | (I'm using: ssh-keyscan -t rsa,dsa $TARGET,$(resolveip -s $TARGET) > .ssh/known_hosts ; ssh $TARGET ) |
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| 07:40.07 | starz | arg |
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| 07:40.24 | starz | hostname -a keeps giving me: server.url.com.url.com |
| 07:40.45 | starz | shouldnt that be server.url.com ????? |
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| 07:41.04 | Tr0gd0r | do hostname server.url.com to change it |
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| 07:42.43 | Deetz | In etc/networking/interfaces what does noauth mean? Google is letting me down.. it's just saying it's not a ppoe connection or something? |
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| 07:43.26 | starz | Tr0gd0r, eh.. yeah i can / will |
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| 07:43.48 | starz | but trying to do the right way, getting /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts correct and updating with hostname -F /etc/hostname |
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| 07:50.50 | starz | arg |
| 07:50.56 | starz | Tr0gd0r, mind if i pmz for a secs? |
| 07:51.07 | starz | owait i cant im not logged in as regged atm |
| 07:51.26 | starz | plzie :3 |
| 07:51.54 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:51.57 | Guerin | speak english or die |
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| 07:52.07 | cast | Guerin <3 |
| 07:52.24 | Guerin | if you would prefer another language, there's probably a channel for it, but there isn't one for 1337 |
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| 07:52.51 | starz | no 31337 there |
| 07:52.54 | starz | sigh |
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| 07:53.20 | starz | ok i'm trying to install the gplhost panel. |
| 07:53.50 | starz | setup is as follows... box.url.com == boxname/domain/url |
| 07:54.12 | starz | hostname -a = box.url.com hostname -s is box hostname -f is box hostname -d is nothing |
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| 07:55.15 | starz | /etc/hosts is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx box box.url.com |
| 07:55.40 | starz | now i had that as xxx.xx.xxx.xx box.url.com.url.com box.url.com |
| 07:55.45 | starz | but that gives doubles... |
| 07:56.18 | starz | like hostname -a gives box.url.com.url.com |
| 07:56.21 | starz | ; ; |
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| 07:58.10 | starz | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 07:58.14 | starz | omgosh |
| 07:58.29 | starz | in /etc/hostname should be: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx box.url.com box |
| 07:58.31 | starz | ~_~ |
| 07:58.32 | apt | That's a stupid face to make. |
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| 08:06.04 | kgod | !tell starz about enter |
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| 08:10.23 | sander_m | Hello. I recently upgraded one of my desktop machines from Etch to Lenny. Since then, I am seeing some strange things with metacity. Every once in a while it seems as if my monitor completely repaints itself. Almost as if the entire desktop jumps left, then back again. Or as if the entire desktop resizes itself for a split second. I see the effect as a quick flash. This happens with metacity with compositing enabled and disabled. At f |
| 08:10.23 | sander_m | irst I thought it was my monitor, but I don't see the flashes when I use compiz instead of metacity. Is anyone experiencing similar flashing on Lenny? |
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| 08:23.08 | psypointer | hi |
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| 08:23.14 | psypointer | does apt-proxy support ftp? |
| 08:23.24 | psypointer | (caching ftp downloads) |
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| 08:32.53 | dlinkhelp | Hi |
| 08:33.28 | format_c | hi |
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| 08:33.48 | dlinkhelp | I just got a debian net install cd, i completed the install and now I need some help with setting up a dlink dwa 110 for surfing the net |
| 08:34.05 | dlinkhelp | i need to actually share the internet connection using dlink usb adapter |
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| 08:34.36 | format_c | dlink USB adapter? |
| 08:34.43 | format_c | What is that? |
| 08:34.48 | dlinkhelp | yes, dlink dwa110 wireless usb adapter |
| 08:34.55 | format_c | ah |
| 08:35.31 | format_c | dlinkhelp, check this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 08:35.36 | dlinkhelp | according to ndiswrapper it works with it, but I am new to linux so I cant figure it out, I installed wireless-tools and ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils |
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| 08:35.54 | dlinkhelp | ok give me a seconf |
| 08:35.55 | simonrvn | !ndiswrapper |
| 08:35.55 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:35.57 | dlinkhelp | ok give me a second* |
| 08:35.58 | format_c | You need some more tools instead of a ordinary ethernet card |
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| 08:36.19 | simonrvn | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 08:36.19 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 08:36.28 | simonrvn | dlinkhelp: ^^^ |
| 08:36.39 | format_c | simonrvn, smart |
| 08:37.04 | dlinkhelp | alright, thanks format_c and simonrvn I will read it up and get back to you |
| 08:37.20 | jetscreamer | waves |
| 08:37.27 | simonrvn | hi jet |
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| 08:38.06 | dlinkhelp | last night I was doing some googling and found the linux drivers, but I could not compile them, I have got build-essential downloaded, no special instructions were given on the site though |
| 08:38.49 | mhall | I am trying to figure out what happened to the Java browser plugin. However the sun-java6-plugin package details do not appear in the apt-cache show output. What is going on?!? |
| 08:38.49 | jetscreamer | ndiswrapper is easy to muddle through |
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| 08:39.17 | aurax | hello, does anyone knows how to override console interaction when installing java/postgresql using apt-get ? |
| 08:39.25 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search java | grep plugin ? |
| 08:39.34 | aurax | ? |
| 08:39.46 | dlinkhelp | jetscreamer: how would I go about install ndiswrapper, i tried getting the src from the site and compiling it, always failed with errors |
| 08:39.51 | jetscreamer | might be because of the license thing |
| 08:39.56 | aurax | yeh... |
| 08:40.01 | aurax | is there a way to override it ? |
| 08:40.06 | aurax | -f doesn't help.. |
| 08:40.07 | jetscreamer | dlinkhelp: i dunno i did it once, i got it to work |
| 08:40.51 | jetscreamer | aurax: those were for mhall |
| 08:40.54 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 08:41.08 | aurax | mhall? |
| 08:41.13 | jetscreamer | define 'override console interaction' |
| 08:41.26 | aurax | 'force accept of license' |
| 08:42.02 | jetscreamer | -y or something? |
| 08:42.38 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 08:43.21 | vlt | Hello. What (cli) tool can I use to display info about a CD in a drive? (type, size, tracks ...) |
| 08:43.22 | aurax | k |
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| 08:45.12 | jetscreamer | !tell vlt -about search |
| 08:45.15 | jetscreamer | all i know |
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| 08:45.44 | crazyfrog | what conf file if for pppoe? |
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| 08:46.22 | jetscreamer | /etc/pppoe.conf iirc |
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| 08:46.36 | the-dude | /etc/ppp/ |
| 08:46.37 | jetscreamer | or /etc/ppoe/something |
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| 08:47.37 | jetscreamer | most conf files are somewhere under /etc |
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| 08:49.01 | format_c | crazyfrog, read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian |
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| 08:51.05 | mhall | Shit. |
| 08:51.17 | mhall | The Java plugin is only available as IA32. |
| 08:51.20 | syntropy | where did devfs/udev go wrong? |
| 08:51.23 | mhall | But my iceweasel is IA64. |
| 08:51.27 | mhall | err |
| 08:51.34 | mhall | I typed wrong. |
| 08:51.52 | mhall | *NOT* IA64. AMD64. |
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| 08:52.04 | jetscreamer | yeah that's what i remember |
| 08:52.18 | jetscreamer | java sucks anyway |
| 08:53.10 | jetscreamer | but 'still' isn't available... no plans for it it would 'seem' |
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| 08:53.43 | mbroeker | jetscreamer, http://www.templeofthesungame.com/sun/templeofthesun/ |
| 08:53.44 | jetscreamer | another example of teh_suck |
| 08:54.27 | jetscreamer | Temple of the Sun Contest is Now Closed - see official rules for details |
| 08:54.48 | zyx386_ | who is c:\\ directory in debian with wine? |
| 08:54.55 | mbroeker | that doesn't prevent you from playing the game, jetscreamer |
| 08:55.15 | Juventino | zykes-, i guess you have o define that in the wine settings. |
| 08:55.19 | YodaYoda | zyx386_: Generally ~/.wine/drive_c |
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| 08:55.58 | whizz | how do I do temperature-monitoring in Debian? |
| 08:56.12 | jetscreamer | lmsensors |
| 08:56.14 | format_c | install lm_sensors |
| 08:56.20 | jetscreamer | or _ |
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| 08:56.50 | format_c | an use a graphical displayer like conky or gkrellm if you like |
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| 08:57.43 | format_c | Your kernel must also support this feature |
| 08:57.44 | tarzeau | whizz: i do it like: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 08:57.55 | tarzeau | format_c: you can use mbmon without kernel support |
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| 08:58.17 | tarzeau | there's also temperature sensors which can be read out using hddtemp/smartctl and nvclock sometimes |
| 08:58.19 | format_c | tarzeau, Oh thanks. I did know this till now |
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| 09:00.37 | dlinkhelp | :D:D, got wireless up |
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| 09:00.58 | dlinkhelp | now I need help configuring the interface and setting it up to share the network connection, anyone? |
| 09:01.28 | Juventino | dlinkhlp, well i can help u with what i know |
| 09:01.35 | Juventino | dlinkhelp* |
| 09:01.38 | dlinkhelp | thank you |
| 09:01.52 | Juventino | what's ur device? |
| 09:01.59 | dlinkhelp | dlink dw 110 |
| 09:02.05 | dlinkhelp | iwconfig shows the device |
| 09:02.07 | Juventino | no i mean the receiving |
| 09:02.38 | dlinkhelp | receiving? |
| 09:02.46 | fde | dlinkhelp: The easiest way to share a Linux network connection is to use Firestarter, unless you'd rather learn to do it manually yourself... |
| 09:02.54 | dlinkhelp | I have a cli only interface |
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| 09:03.06 | format_c | tarzeau, are there also some more embeddable displayers than xmbmon? |
| 09:03.16 | Juventino | dlinkhelp, you got the wireless connection wokring on your computer already? |
| 09:03.23 | tarzeau | format_c: i only know of that |
| 09:03.47 | fde | dlinkhelp: http://lindesk.com/2007/04/internet-connection-sharing-using-iptables/ |
| 09:03.51 | dlinkhelp | it is installed, I want to be able to share the network with this, I had a wireless router, it burnt due to lightning and now I need a quick fix for my laptop |
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| 09:04.04 | dlinkhelp | so I got the drivers, compiled it and installed it, the led on the usb adapter is on |
| 09:04.19 | dlinkhelp | I just need to config it to share the internet |
| 09:04.23 | Juventino | dlinkhelp, i don't know about the sharing, i can only help you with connecting the device |
| 09:04.44 | dlinkhelp | alright np, fde: thanks |
| 09:05.03 | Juventino | dlinkhelp, do you have a WEP? WPA? |
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| 09:05.29 | dlinkhelp | Juventino, I do not have a router at the moment, using this debain machine as a wireless AP |
| 09:05.36 | dlinkhelp | atleast trying to do so :P |
| 09:05.36 | zyx386_ | hi install modprobe ndiswrapper with windows driver on debian http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper?highlight=%28NdisWrapper%29 but if i run modeprobe become FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.? |
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| 09:06.12 | Juventino | dlinkhelp, oh, so you want the debian machine to act as sender? |
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| 09:06.13 | dlinkhelp | there are a couple of national holidays here so all the places are closed, so this is a temporary fix for me |
| 09:06.28 | dlinkhelp | Juventino, you could say that |
| 09:06.55 | Juventino | dlinkhelp, well i don't have any experience in that area.. lol |
| 09:07.07 | dlinkhelp | Juventino, np thanks for the trying though ;) |
| 09:07.11 | Juventino | but i'd recommend reading man iwconfig |
| 09:07.29 | dlinkhelp | I will, and google should help me |
| 09:07.36 | Juventino | good luck |
| 09:07.39 | dlinkhelp | also debian wifi docs has a tutorial |
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| 09:07.57 | format_c | dlinkhelp, can you ping a device over the wireless connection? |
| 09:08.20 | dlinkhelp | wait give me a minute, I ll paste my iwconfig somewhere and give you the link |
| 09:08.55 | zyx386_ | what is this error? |
| 09:08.58 | zyx386_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.58 | zyx386_ | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
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| 09:09.17 | dlinkhelp | give me a paste bin |
| 09:09.21 | zyx386_ | ok |
| 09:09.46 | dlinkhelp | zyx_386: that was not for you |
| 09:09.58 | dlinkhelp | zyx_386: i need a link to a paste bin to paste one my configs lol |
| 09:10.11 | liable | paste.debian.net |
| 09:10.38 | dlinkhelp | thanks\ |
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| 09:10.41 | dlinkhelp | format_c: http://paste.debian.net/3613/ |
| 09:10.57 | zyx386_ | can everyone understand this error? http://paste.debian.net/3611/ |
| 09:11.02 | zyx386_ | :) ? |
| 09:11.27 | format_c | dlinkhelp, ok are there any devices that are also in the wireless network? |
| 09:11.35 | dlinkhelp | zyx386_: you do not have the ndiswrapper module installed |
| 09:11.36 | format_c | OK isee |
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| 09:11.45 | dlinkhelp | format_c: no wireless router |
| 09:11.51 | format_c | there is some essential wireless config missing |
| 09:11.52 | dlinkhelp | format_c: only a laptop |
| 09:12.10 | format_c | Did tou configure the wireless device? |
| 09:12.10 | mbroeker | zyx386_, try depmod -av and modprobe ndiswrapper after installing the module? |
| 09:12.16 | format_c | Like ssid |
| 09:12.18 | dlinkhelp | format_c: nope, I just installed the driver |
| 09:12.21 | format_c | encryption? |
| 09:12.24 | format_c | ah ok |
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| 09:13.22 | dlinkhelp | format_c: I need help with configuring it to share the net, like setting it to wpa and ad-hoc mode to share the network connection |
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| 09:13.30 | format_c | zyx386_, check http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 09:14.00 | zyx386_ | format_c, i looking this page now |
| 09:14.02 | zyx386_ | thanx |
| 09:14.41 | dlinkhelp | format_c: any ideas? |
| 09:15.09 | format_c | dlinkhelp, what do you use as encryption? |
| 09:15.37 | dlinkhelp | format_c: i want it to use wpa, i will connect from my laptop to the debian machine's wireless adapter |
| 09:15.52 | format_c | is wpa used right now? |
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| 09:16.37 | format_c | could you first deactivate your encryption just to get it working first |
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| 09:16.42 | format_c | on the router |
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| 09:16.48 | format_c | which means your AP |
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| 09:17.01 | dlinkhelp | format_c: you did not get me, I do not have a router |
| 09:17.22 | format_c | ah oh |
| 09:17.33 | dlinkhelp | format_c: I am configuring the debian machine as a wireless router for the laptop |
| 09:17.51 | format_c | that means you want con configure ad-hoc |
| 09:18.33 | format_c | ok unencrypted you just have to give that device a ip address and a apropriate entry in your routing table |
| 09:18.51 | dlinkhelp | hmm, ok I need help with that |
| 09:18.52 | format_c | You either can do this in /etc/network/interfaces or by hand |
| 09:18.57 | dlinkhelp | I configured my device to ad-hoc |
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| 09:19.08 | format_c | ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 09:19.08 | dlinkhelp | iwconfig wlan0 mode Ad-hoc |
| 09:19.37 | dlinkhelp | i set the Ad-hoc and set an ssid |
| 09:19.45 | dlinkhelp | and now i need to try your command? |
| 09:19.50 | format_c | jep |
| 09:19.53 | zyx386_ | how can i Then add ndiswrapper in /etc/modules ? |
| 09:19.53 | dlinkhelp | ok a sec |
| 09:20.13 | format_c | zyx386_, use a editor |
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| 09:20.25 | dlinkhelp | done |
| 09:20.30 | zyx386_ | format_c, but how ? |
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| 09:20.48 | kevix | zyx386_: /etc/modules is a text file where you list modules you want loaded at boot |
| 09:21.06 | zyx386_ | ok kevi |
| 09:21.09 | zyx386_ | thanx |
| 09:21.41 | dlinkhelp | format_c: done |
| 09:21.43 | dlinkhelp | next? |
| 09:21.49 | format_c | zyx386_, does module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper not do this automatically |
| 09:21.52 | dlinkhelp | the laptop does not see it though |
| 09:21.57 | format_c | zyx386_, grep ndis /etc/modules |
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| 09:22.22 | dlinkhelp | it is having tx packets but no rx packets |
| 09:22.29 | zyx386_ | format_c, ? |
| 09:22.44 | format_c | zyx386_, execute grep ndis /etc/modules |
| 09:23.19 | zyx386_ | ok |
| 09:23.25 | zyx386_ | tahen? |
| 09:24.06 | zyx386_ | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
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| 09:24.20 | zyx386_ | i install it! |
| 09:24.36 | format_c | dlinkhelp, configure a second machine with a ip adress in that subnet and try to pin |
| 09:24.38 | format_c | g |
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| 09:24.47 | format_c | zyx386_, lsmod | grep ndis |
| 09:24.52 | format_c | execute ^^^ |
| 09:25.00 | dlinkhelp | format_c: cant i scan for the network? |
| 09:25.12 | raidghos1 | any of you that have asterisk up running ? |
| 09:25.17 | format_c | Do not exactly know |
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| 09:25.37 | format_c | maybe an option is missing to make in visible |
| 09:25.46 | dlinkhelp | ok i am scanning, it does not show any network but I know for sure it working as it is broadcasting |
| 09:26.02 | format_c | mhh sorry have to pass |
| 09:26.14 | zyx386_ | format_c, that is etc/modules http://paste.debian.net/3614/ |
| 09:26.18 | dlinkhelp | ok |
| 09:26.19 | zyx386_ | is correct? |
| 09:26.35 | format_c | seems to be |
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| 09:27.03 | zyx386_ | ok i reboot the system and come again format_c |
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| 09:28.55 | zyx386 | format_c, tha debian wiki say reboot your system :-) |
| 09:31.03 | raidghos1 | format_c: cdr_sqlite3_custom why is that needed? |
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| 09:31.56 | raidghos1 | I did install asterisk on my gateway at my parents house. that one works. but not my own. I so i try to figure out why i get this message: cdr_sqlite3_custom.c: cdr_sqlite3_custom: Failed to load configuration file. Module not activated. |
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| 09:32.46 | zyx386_ | hi |
| 09:32.51 | zyx386_ | again # modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 09:32.51 | zyx386_ | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
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| 09:34.30 | fde | I'm baffled, maybe someone can enlighten me... sound is working fine for most applications, lsof is saying nothing is using /dev/dsp, and I have flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound installed, but for the last few days, no flash media is playing sound? |
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| 09:36.27 | format_c | zyx386, ok now |
| 09:36.34 | format_c | try |
| 09:36.49 | dlinkhelp | format_c: maybe he has not installed the module? |
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| 09:37.18 | dlinkhelp | zyx386_: have you compiled and installed the module? |
| 09:37.28 | format_c | find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name 'ndiswrapper*' |
| 09:37.48 | jelly | fde: /dev/dsp is the OSS PCM device. You'll likely want to look at what uses /dev/snd/* |
| 09:38.02 | Fenrir | someone is using gnome with their deb ? |
| 09:38.09 | format_c | Fenrir, me |
| 09:38.11 | fde | jelly: ahh, I wasn't aware of that, I'll look, thanks |
| 09:38.36 | Fenrir | Format C how can i see the driver marks (like hda1 ect) and where is the root file browse :D |
| 09:38.38 | jelly | fde: however alsa apps shouldn't hog the device(s) |
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| 09:39.20 | format_c | Fenrir, klick on "Computer" or open nautilus |
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| 09:39.38 | fde | jelly: flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound says it should fall back to ALSA, and I am not using a sound server (although I think Debian uses dmix by default?) |
| 09:39.53 | dlinkhelp | i am confused, the wlan0 is sending packets, most probably broadcasting its availability but my laptop cant find any AP ! |
| 09:39.54 | zyx386_ | format_c, i fount not in lib/modules ndiswrapper |
| 09:40.20 | format_c | then is was not installed and compiled properly |
| 09:40.35 | Fenrir | format_c, it just tellls the name , like 20GB part |
| 09:40.39 | Fenrir | not the name HDA/ect |
| 09:40.43 | Fenrir | hda1 ect |
| 09:40.45 | Fenrir | for example |
| 09:40.49 | fde | jelly: What do these devices mean though? I have controlC0 and C1 then C0D0c and p ... same for C1 ... then seq and timer... I've never played with these before... |
| 09:41.10 | jelly | fde: nothing, but you can see if some process is using them |
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| 09:41.47 | format_c | Fenrir, don't know. |
| 09:41.56 | jelly | fde: there should be some pcm* devices. |
| 09:42.36 | Fenrir | format_c, not the root browse on computer :F |
| 09:43.23 | format_c | I do not know such a feature |
| 09:43.37 | format_c | didn't need that in the past |
| 09:45.05 | zyx386_ | format_c, the page say install ndiswrapper-utils |
| 09:45.18 | zyx386_ | but i have lenny and is now ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
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| 09:46.29 | nekostar | arg |
| 09:46.52 | nekostar | i just deleted everything inside of the rc0-6 folders : rc1.d/ for instance |
| 09:46.56 | nekostar | any way to recover from that ? |
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| 09:47.30 | sep | restore from backups is easiest |
| 09:47.33 | Bladerunner05 | hello how may I change in the past, date and time of file's |
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| 09:47.58 | nekostar | sep and if ive no backups? :P |
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| 09:48.24 | format_c | zyx386, would I assume. I'm still using etch until lenny is announced to be stable |
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| 09:49.16 | milligan_ | I'm trying to add a virtual nic to my machine. "ifconfig eth0:1 ip netmask mask". Pinging the ip on localhost works, but I can't reach it from the network. Any suggestions to why ? |
| 09:49.43 | sep | nekostar, we can point and lafh at you ? well seriously: you can try the reinstall factoid |
| 09:49.48 | sep | !tell nekostar about reinstall |
| 09:50.07 | dondelelcaro | milligan_: is something actually routing packages to that ip? |
| 09:50.13 | sep | some package might think you rm'd them intentionals so you want confmiss as well |
| 09:50.15 | sep | !confmiss |
| 09:50.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 09:50.21 | sep | and DO BACKUPS before doing it |
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| 09:50.37 | sep | since it might overwrite configfiles you have changed !!! |
| 09:50.44 | dondelelcaro | milligan_: note that if you don't control the network that that ip is on, assigning addresses like that will work, but packets probably won't be routed to you. |
| 09:50.50 | milligan_ | dondelelcaro, Yes. Another computer had the ip 5 minutes ago.. that I took down, to bring up the virtual nic on the new machine. |
| 09:50.50 | dondelelcaro | confmiss won't. |
| 09:51.05 | jelly | sep: rc?.d links aren't config files anyway |
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| 09:51.11 | telmich | hello |
| 09:51.39 | milligan_ | dondelelcaro, there is a firewall/router/gateway that handles the packet routing. |
| 09:51.39 | sep | jelly, if it was just rcX dirs yes ( was it ?) |
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| 09:51.52 | jelly | [11:46] <nekostar> i just deleted everything inside of the rc0-6 folders : rc1.d/ for instance |
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| 09:52.01 | nekostar | mm? |
| 09:52.02 | nekostar | oh |
| 09:52.05 | nekostar | i think i might have it |
| 09:52.14 | nekostar | i logged into someone elses box and tarred it up |
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| 09:52.46 | jelly | nekostar: that'll work only if that someone else has the same packages as you do |
| 09:52.55 | nekostar | thats fine |
| 09:53.05 | nekostar | i deleted packages down to the minimum |
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| 09:53.11 | nekostar | i'm sure they have a basic install ;) |
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| 09:53.35 | jelly | ... well, it will probably get the system to a bootable state (even if an inconsistent one) |
| 09:53.38 | dondelelcaro | milligan_: and ip addr list; shows that ip up on the right interface, right? Where are you pinging from? |
| 09:53.53 | dondelelcaro | milligan_: quite often you'll have to wait for the apr table to timeout if you've not got stupid switches. |
| 09:54.54 | fde | jelly: Thanks a bunch! I figured out it was because ALSA had decided that the USB webcam was the primary audio device for some reason... despite it being only input... |
| 09:55.45 | fde | jelly: In the mean time, I have taken control of audio away from KDE entirely, and am using lower level tools exclusively... much more sane ;) |
| 09:56.00 | jelly | yeah, arts usually sucks |
| 09:56.34 | nekostar | hm |
| 09:56.36 | nekostar | i think i got it :P |
| 09:56.47 | jelly | nekostar: try rebooting :-D |
| 09:56.55 | nekostar | oh i will in a bit |
| 09:57.23 | jelly | nekostar: ... only if you're reasonably sure it's ok, and you have physical access, and... |
| 09:57.23 | fde | jelly: Very much so... the only thing using the devices though was Kmix, I hadn't actually even installed alsa-utils for alsamixer... No need for a sound server when dmix is already used by ALSA though! |
| 09:57.24 | samad909 | anyone have any experience with setting up internet connection sharing via a wireless card? |
| 09:57.36 | nekostar | meantime i'm drinking heavily and deleting stuff still... |
| 09:57.42 | Fenrir | on mounting ntfs hdd was the command like mount ntfs-g dev/hda5 /computer/something ? |
| 09:57.44 | Fenrir | for example |
| 09:57.49 | nekostar | jelly its at my dc - i'll have axx tomorow ;) |
| 09:57.55 | jelly | nekostar: I heard that's the best way to admin |
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| 10:03.24 | nekostar | well |
| 10:03.29 | nekostar | we're about to find out lol |
| 10:03.42 | nekostar | jelly i think its way better to have no axx - gotta be more careful |
| 10:03.48 | nekostar | instead ive been reckless ~_~ |
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| 10:03.55 | nekostar | damn budweiser |
| 10:04.05 | nekostar | I BLAME THE HOPS |
| 10:04.40 | jelly | set up backups. They help when you make a mistake. |
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| 10:05.02 | milligan_ | dondelelcaro, how long does it take for an apr table to time out ? |
| 10:05.41 | nekostar | \o/ it worked~!~ |
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| 10:07.13 | dondelelcaro | milligan_: depends; I don't know your network layout, so I can't tell you what it would do. |
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| 10:07.49 | milligan_ | dondelelcaro, if you were to give a rough average, or an estimate, or even a default... just any number that seems plausible. |
| 10:09.25 | pozic | If I am able to send an e-mail to address foo@bar.com (not on LAN), does this mean that my sendmail installation works and that any failure I might get is caused by someone else? |
| 10:09.40 | ricosecada | samad909, you should ask a specific question. |
| 10:09.43 | UstasW | hey |
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| 10:11.12 | samad909 | ricosecada: I have a wireless usb adapter, got the drivers installed, I want to put it on ad-hoc mode so my laptop can use it as an AP |
| 10:11.13 | milligan_ | pozic, that's a bit of a vague question ... but in general, if your sendmail works, it will only fail if the receiving server rejects it,yes. |
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| 10:11.45 | ricosecada | samad909, not necessarily directed at me :) |
| 10:11.58 | samad909 | alright |
| 10:12.04 | samad909 | I have a wireless usb adapter, got the drivers installed, I want to put it on ad-hoc mode so my laptop can use it as an AP, any ideas? |
| 10:12.10 | dondelelcaro | milligan_: it should have worked by now, in theory. if you really want to know, but a machine into that adapter directly and make sure it's up. Alternatively, the administrative interace on the router should be able to tell you what it's doing. |
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| 10:12.21 | vertigo | is it possible to install java runtime envoriment on debian through an apt package? i seem to remember doing it before, but i cannot remember the repository settings and package name |
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| 10:12.39 | telmich | pozic: always look into /var/log/mail.log to determine the cause of failed sending mail |
| 10:12.44 | ricosecada | samad909, and the problem is? |
| 10:13.26 | samad909 | ricosecada: i have set it up in ad-hoc mode and given an ip, butscanning does not give any results, the adapter is receiving and sending though |
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| 10:14.35 | pozic | milligan_: http://paste.debian.net/3618/, that's the exact error message. |
| 10:14.47 | ricosecada | samad909, what are you scanning? |
| 10:15.20 | samad909 | ricosecada: wireless network, scanning for one using my laptop, the debian machine is broadcasting i guess but I cant find any |
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| 10:15.54 | ricosecada | samad909, so you have your laptop scanning another debian machine working as an AP? |
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| 10:16.08 | samad909 | ricosecada: yes |
| 10:16.09 | pozic | telmich: that contains nothing related to the failure of mail delivery (just spamd messages). |
| 10:16.28 | samad909 | ricosecada: set up the wireless adapter on ad-hoc, assigned essid, gave an ip to wlan0 but cant find it in the scan |
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| 10:17.05 | ricosecada | samad909, are you sure that the laptop device is working? Can you locate other AP's? |
| 10:17.18 | pozic | How can I refresh man, s.t. it will find the manpage contained in the package I just installed? |
| 10:17.23 | mrglinux | which command can i get list of my port on a ip (check port ) |
| 10:17.27 | samad909 | ricosecada: ifconfig shows that packets are been sent out randomly, which means it should be broadcasting, the laptop device is working |
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| 10:18.08 | samad909 | ricosecada: just to be sure I tried scanning with a couple of other wireless devices too, but nothing found |
| 10:18.13 | Cope | prods SlayerXP |
| 10:19.03 | mrglinux | samad909: what do u suggest ? |
| 10:19.14 | samad909 | mrglinux: ? |
| 10:19.20 | ricosecada | samad909, since you have scanned with other devices as well, and you know that they work, there is a problem with the broadcast. |
| 10:19.32 | mrglinux | samad909: which command can i get list of my port on a ip (check port ) |
| 10:19.45 | samad909 | mrglinux: netstat -l = listening ports |
| 10:20.00 | samad909 | ricosecada: figured as much, how do I fix it |
| 10:20.20 | zyx386 | hi install ndiswrapper and finde wireless signal give the ESSid and password but is no connection? what wrong? |
| 10:21.19 | ricosecada | samad909, you need to confirm that you have set it up right, do you get any errors? anything in the log? how did you set it up? |
| 10:21.29 | mrglinux | thx |
| 10:21.35 | samad909 | mrglinux: np |
| 10:21.47 | milligan_ | pozic, pretty straight forward error. They're rejecting your email because the account doesn't exist. |
| 10:21.55 | nekostar | hm |
| 10:21.55 | samad909 | ricosecada: i installed the drivers, went through the debian wiki for ad-hoc setup |
| 10:21.59 | nekostar | that reminds me |
| 10:22.17 | samad909 | ricosecada: btw, ifconfig shows that it is receiving too and sending |
| 10:22.23 | SlayerXP | Cope: mmm? |
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| 10:23.10 | samad909 | ricosecada: shall i post my iwconfig and ifconfig? |
| 10:23.20 | ricosecada | samad909, pastebin yes |
| 10:24.17 | samad909 | ricosecada: http://paste.debian.net/3620/ |
| 10:24.47 | pozic | milligan_: who's account? The account I am sending it to? |
| 10:25.14 | msshams | what is getty process in my top list? |
| 10:25.49 | nekostar | sigh |
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| 10:26.19 | nekostar | any good ideas for a free - as in beer - control panel? reseller type |
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| 10:26.29 | samad909 | zpanel |
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| 10:26.55 | ricosecada | samad909, it seems to be working perfectly |
| 10:26.56 | zyx386 | ? |
| 10:26.59 | samad909 | zpanel become RapidCP now |
| 10:27.03 | samad909 | ricosecada: yes |
| 10:27.21 | samad909 | ricosecada: this is why I am confused XD |
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| 10:28.19 | samad909 | nekostar: take a look at RapidCP, rapidcp.com |
| 10:28.31 | ricosecada | samad909, I do remember a similar problem where the broadcasting device (can't remember the manufactor), only worked with cards of the same manufactor. |
| 10:28.48 | Cope | SlayerXP: got a sec? or horribly busy? |
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| 10:29.05 | samad909 | ricosecada: hmm, I have 3 of dlinks same adapters, i better try using one of those |
| 10:29.06 | ike | hi .. how can I extract (not install) a deb file |
| 10:29.08 | ike | in the shell |
| 10:29.22 | samad909 | ricosecada: i will give that a shot later, thanks for the help |
| 10:29.24 | ricosecada | samad909, that would make it more easy to test |
| 10:29.33 | ricosecada | samad909, u r welcome |
| 10:29.36 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.43 | samad909 | nekostar: np ;) |
| 10:29.44 | ike | dpkg --unpack wants root priviliges |
| 10:29.45 | dpkg | ike: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 10:30.12 | ike | I've tried tar, gunzip and dpkg --help, plus some googling |
| 10:30.29 | Cope | ike: debian packages are just ar archives |
| 10:30.51 | ike | Cope, yes, so how do I open them? |
| 10:31.05 | ike | tar, bunzip2, dpkg, .. ? |
| 10:31.10 | nekostar | ike its a far shot |
| 10:31.14 | nekostar | but did you try fakeroot ? |
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| 10:31.25 | ike | I only have ssh access, so file-rolles (suggested on an ubuntu page) is not an option |
| 10:31.26 | nekostar | as far as permissions |
| 10:31.28 | ike | alien? |
| 10:31.35 | nekostar | or do you not care, and you just wanna open some .deb ? |
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| 10:31.38 | ike | nekostar, I only need one binary from the file |
| 10:31.44 | SlayerXP | cope: what's up? |
| 10:31.47 | ike | nekostar, yes |
| 10:32.08 | nekostar | dpkg-deb -x {deb-package name} {target directory} |
| 10:32.13 | nekostar | did you try that ? |
| 10:32.22 | nekostar | {google is teh friend ;)} |
| 10:32.37 | ike | the root on the machine is slow, and I need unzip to set up a local cpan install |
| 10:32.43 | ike | nekostar, thx, it works |
| 10:32.48 | nekostar | tar xv somepackage.deb |
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| 10:32.53 | nekostar | also supposedly works |
| 10:32.54 | nekostar | lol |
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| 10:33.02 | nekostar | ^_^ |
| 10:33.16 | nekostar | http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=extract+deb&spell=1 |
| 10:33.21 | ike | tar does not work |
| 10:33.22 | nekostar | that was my search - |
| 10:33.24 | ike | thanks all |
| 10:33.26 | zyx386 | can every one tell what is wrong in my wireless device? |
| 10:33.28 | nekostar | remember when you look for something ike |
| 10:33.32 | nekostar | dont search for the question |
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| 10:33.41 | nekostar | search for things you expect to find in the result ok? |
| 10:33.47 | nekostar | ^_~ |
| 10:33.50 | samad909 | be back later |
| 10:35.30 | Cope | SlayerXP: wanted to ask your advice on sa config; what I've set up is taking too long - about 7 hrs for all users. But this is OT, so /msg ok? Or shall I drop you an email? |
| 10:35.43 | SlayerXP | cope: email please. |
| 10:35.47 | Cope | k :) |
| 10:35.53 | zyx386 | how can i test my wireless connection? |
| 10:36.00 | azeem | zyx386: use it |
| 10:36.15 | Cope | cries with mirth. |
| 10:36.48 | zyx386 | azeem, i install the wireless device and have the signal, and give ESSID and password, but have no connecton?! |
| 10:37.06 | azeem | zyx386: do you get an IP? |
| 10:37.18 | zyx386 | ifconfig |
| 10:37.19 | azeem | maybe it has MAC filtering on and you need to add your wireless card to the router |
| 10:37.56 | zyx386 | how my freind? |
| 10:38.18 | azeem | read your router's documentation |
| 10:38.26 | zyx386 | mac filter is disabled |
| 10:38.33 | azeem | then it's not that |
| 10:38.49 | azeem | "ifconfig" is not a good answer to "do you get an IP?" btw |
| 10:39.09 | zyx386 | and what is good? |
| 10:39.25 | azeem | "yes" or "no" |
| 10:39.41 | zyx386 | no |
| 10:39.41 | azeem | after you've inspected ifconfig output, of course |
| 10:39.55 | azeem | zyx386: then maybe the password is bad |
| 10:40.08 | nekostar | oh yeah this rapidcp looks great kekeke :rubs hands together: |
| 10:40.18 | azeem | zyx386: check with iwconfig that really the corret essid and password are set |
| 10:40.22 | zyx386 | azeem, password is correct to |
| 10:41.00 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.24 | nekostar | do i really need to recompile php for cgi with the deb repos, or is there a package for this ? |
| 10:41.28 | zyx386 | azeem, paste my iwconfig her? |
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| 10:42.48 | milligan_ | pozic, yes |
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| 10:46.34 | zyx386_ | azeem, http://paste.debian.net/3624/ |
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| 10:47.23 | ddalton | hey, how do I get hcitool on debian lenny? |
| 10:47.41 | nekostar | man |
| 10:47.54 | nekostar | its so exciting to use debian primarally again :D |
| 10:48.01 | nekostar | hey how many here use for desktop? |
| 10:48.27 | ddalton | does |
| 10:49.26 | Eulex | !tell ddalton about search |
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| 10:49.58 | peleg | anyone here is familiar with ii irc client? |
| 10:50.14 | ddalton | urm. search for what. hcitool? doesn't work. |
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| 10:50.28 | ddalton | I know how to search, im not an idiot. |
| 10:50.41 | Eulex | ddalton, that's because if you use apt-cache search searchs package descriptions, not contents. |
| 10:50.52 | Eulex | you should be using apt-file. |
| 10:51.06 | ddalton | oh |
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| 10:51.14 | ddalton | maybe I am an idiot |
| 10:51.21 | Eulex | as the factoid says, packages.debian.org can also do it, and our very own bot can also do it |
| 10:51.29 | nekostar | peleg literally ii ? |
| 10:51.36 | nekostar | personally i use xchat / irssi / silc |
| 10:51.38 | Eulex | (/msg dpkg find filename) |
| 10:51.54 | peleg | nekostar: indeed. ii = irc it (or so) |
| 10:51.59 | nekostar | o: |
| 10:52.01 | nekostar | lemme see |
| 10:52.04 | Eulex | !find hcitool |
| 10:52.41 | peleg | nekostar: I try to use it in order to write a bot for irc |
| 10:52.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hcitool' (1): (/usr/bin/hcitool) in admin/bluez-utils. |
| 10:55.17 | nekostar | peleg i cant get it to connect lol |
| 10:55.40 | peleg | nekostar: right, that is *almost* what happens to me |
| 10:56.27 | nekostar | ? |
| 10:56.43 | nekostar | aj |
| 10:56.50 | nekostar | apparently its connecting but no output |
| 10:57.24 | peleg | yes. it works via "FIFO" files, but I can't write info to these files, as they suggest. |
| 10:57.39 | peleg | nekostar: have a look here: http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/440-Using-the-ii-irc-client.html |
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| 11:00.13 | nekostar | well |
| 11:00.16 | nekostar | still doesnt join the chan |
| 11:00.18 | nekostar | ~_~ |
| 11:00.19 | apt | That's a stupid face to make. |
| 11:00.20 | nekostar | w/e |
| 11:00.23 | nekostar | i dont like it |
| 11:00.24 | ddalton | interesting, picked up Your Mum's A Bitch |
| 11:00.26 | nekostar | sowwie |
| 11:00.40 | ddalton | who the hell near me has that device wouldn't have a clue. |
| 11:01.01 | ddalton | bluetooth device... |
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| 11:01.41 | peleg | nekostar: thanks! :-) |
| 11:02.21 | nekostar | sorry ;) nn ^^ |
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| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '3/sin.3' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.35 | Turquoiser | i'm running an etch server... how can i tell apt to fetch git-core package and all its dependencies from backports, but everything else from official debian repositories? |
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| 11:05.47 | Xeto | hi |
| 11:06.46 | Lagbolt | hi Xeto |
| 11:07.15 | arcsky | anyone know if its possible that the editor nano can show lines ? |
| 11:07.16 | ddalton | hey anyone got some time to help me get my braille display working with bluetooth? im blind. |
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| 11:08.49 | aum | hi - are there any tools/utils/etc which can intercept file deletions on ext3 volumes, and instead move the 'deleted' files into a special directory? |
| 11:09.14 | tarzeau | aum: you could replace rm? |
| 11:09.28 | aum | tarzeau: what about when a program calls unlink() ? |
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| 11:09.29 | Lagbolt | ddalton, goodness, braille display! i have never tried to configure something like that but might be able to work along side and see what happens. |
| 11:09.36 | tarzeau | aum: that's a problem :) |
| 11:09.36 | Lagbolt | unless someone else has any idea on that? |
| 11:10.07 | Lagbolt | :-p |
| 11:10.17 | tarzeau | ddalton: what webbrowser do you use? |
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| 11:11.47 | ddalton | Lagbolt: yeah, its a hardware device that displays dots so I can read the screen with my fingers, my eyes are screwed basically, as in they don't work. so anyway... |
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| 11:12.10 | ddalton | well, I am trying to find documentation, but very little is available... ;-( |
| 11:12.42 | Lagbolt | ddalton, using brltty? |
| 11:12.43 | ddalton | that is the problem with blindness related things... |
| 11:12.53 | ddalton | Lagbolt: yup. |
| 11:13.37 | Lagbolt | ddalton, what have you done with it so far? |
| 11:13.38 | ddalton | I have so far found the device with hcitool, I would hope that is a good start. |
| 11:13.49 | Zwift | does hostname (/etc/hostname) entry must be equal to domain name set up in bind ? |
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| 11:14.12 | Lagbolt | ddalton, have you installed the deb for it? |
| 11:14.34 | ddalton | the brltty deb? yes. |
| 11:14.58 | ddalton | actually its out of svn, I use it with serial on my old box, but haven't got it to work here yet... |
| 11:15.13 | Lagbolt | so problem is getting it to see device? |
| 11:16.10 | ddalton | Lagbolt: well, hcitool picks up the device: dalts which is correct and gives me the bluetooth address, so I also need a pin from somewhere and then I need to work out the switches for brltty to tell it all this stuff... |
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| 11:18.34 | ddalton | Lagbolt: should I show what I have found with google? |
| 11:18.40 | Lagbolt | ddalton, def not a lot of pages |
| 11:18.46 | azeem | zyx386: I doubt your esssid is "off/any" |
| 11:18.50 | Lagbolt | ddalton, well i found their website and documentation |
| 11:18.54 | Lagbolt | ddalton, what have you found |
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| 11:19.39 | ddalton | a mail from a guy called "stephane doyon" with a different e accented I think and a ubuntu wiki script. |
| 11:19.49 | guru3 | can i boot my hd install of debian from the netinst cd? just adding root=/dev/hda1 isn't working |
| 11:20.07 | Lagbolt | ddalton, yeah i found the ubuntu script |
| 11:20.11 | liable | guru3: you mean in rescue mode? |
| 11:20.20 | guru3 | something like that |
| 11:20.25 | ddalton | I don't see how it works though... |
| 11:20.27 | guru3 | i need to get it to stop loading the system before it loads modules |
| 11:20.34 | guru3 | when it loads the sata_mv module it destroys the raid array |
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| 11:21.23 | liable | guru3: hrm, so load the installer, go down to 'run a shell' and manually mount and chroot |
| 11:21.32 | guru3 | it already loads the module by then |
| 11:21.34 | guru3 | and my raid array is toast |
| 11:21.41 | Lagbolt | the script? |
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| 11:21.52 | guru3 | ive tried adding panic=1 break=modules |
| 11:22.00 | guru3 | but it seems the cd's initrd is ignoring that |
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| 11:22.33 | ddalton | Lagbolt: yeah, it doesn't seem to call the brltty command line tool... |
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| 11:22.53 | ddalton | so how is it passing its arguments, I will admit I am a very very basic bash scripter... :-) |
| 11:22.54 | Lagbolt | ddalton, no it doesnt but i think it can be modified to call the commands |
| 11:22.55 | liable | guru3: if just loading the kernel module for the controller screws your raid, then you fucked i guess. |
| 11:23.08 | guru3 | :/ |
| 11:23.14 | guru3 | i got it to work once before somehow |
| 11:23.34 | liable | how can you use the controller without having its modules loaded? |
| 11:23.42 | ddalton | Lagbolt: so basically, its useless right now? |
| 11:23.48 | guru3 | the built in module for linux doesn't work correctly |
| 11:23.50 | Lagbolt | ddalton, i think so |
| 11:23.52 | guru3 | but the manufacturers one does |
| 11:24.08 | Lagbolt | ddalton, but it gives you an idea of what parameters you need, just need to learn how to use them with the brltty command |
| 11:24.31 | ddalton | dunno why some people bother putting crap on the net that sounds good, but it doesn't work.... Pisses me off got to tell you. |
| 11:24.35 | liable | guru3: sounds fun, you need to build a kernel with that module and boot from it |
| 11:25.06 | ddalton | ok, so should I keep looking, I dug up one other thing from an email to: |
| 11:25.36 | Lagbolt | ddalton, i think we can just use the command line for now |
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| 11:26.38 | ddalton | lagbolt: can I pm you a quote from a mail? |
| 11:26.49 | ddalton | its quite short, 5 or 6 lines. |
| 11:27.01 | Lagbolt | ddalton, passing "--braille-evice=bluetooth:address <-- where addres is the 6 two dgit hex |
| 11:27.05 | Lagbolt | ddalton, yeah you can |
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| 11:29.03 | cTATUK | Anyone have an idea as to why only my swap space usage tops out at 50 percent? |
| 11:29.07 | ddalton | did you get it? |
| 11:30.19 | cTATUK | no? |
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| 11:30.53 | maligor | feel free to make a runaway memory allocator and see your swap use rise |
| 11:31.04 | maligor | assuming you don't have limits |
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| 11:31.26 | cTATUK | well i'm using the gnome system monitor applet |
| 11:31.34 | Lagbolt | ddalton, yeah i got it |
| 11:31.51 | Lagbolt | ddalton, did someone email that to you or did you find it on the web? |
| 11:32.13 | ddalton | Lagbolt: I just tried brltty -d bt:mycode -b bn -t en_us but still no luck... I think there should be a pass keyu or something... |
| 11:32.20 | ddalton | but not sure what or how that works. |
| 11:32.22 | cTATUK | maligor: and i'm running some tests with the python interpreter ... my memory usage goes to near 99% but my stop tops out at exactly 50 .. |
| 11:32.44 | cTATUK | *stop=swap |
| 11:32.50 | Lagbolt | ddalton, does it give any output when you do that? |
| 11:32.52 | ddalton | personal email. |
| 11:32.53 | maligor | how is that a problem as long as nothing runs out of memory? |
| 11:33.02 | ddalton | that stephane doyon guy... |
| 11:33.12 | cTATUK | maligor: why not use 100% of the swap? |
| 11:33.46 | Graveworm | Hi everyone :). I need some help with debian (etch) and samba 3 with umlauts. Yes, I know... there are a lot of descriptions how to achieve this....but none of them worked for me.. or I'm just to dumb ;(... Whats the right combination of die "locale"-settings and the smb.conf? I've set "LANG" to "en_US.UTF-8" and in "smb.conf" "unix charset" and "display charset" are both set to "UTF8". |
| 11:33.46 | Lagbolt | ddalton, so he didnt give any help with passkey? |
| 11:33.49 | maligor | cTATUK, err.. because swap is slow as heck? |
| 11:34.10 | ddalton | Lagbolt: yes, just version and rev numbers as well as the website. nothing very useful. could we talk in a pm? I'm having trouble keeping up with the busy channel, and I only have speech... |
| 11:34.12 | Lagbolt | ddalton, i have limited bluetooth experience, i pair devices with kbluetooth |
| 11:34.20 | Lagbolt | ddalton, we sure can |
| 11:34.36 | ddalton | ok cool |
| 11:34.48 | cTATUK | maligor: Well, my CPU usage isn't spiking but the test is still hanging for a long time. (it's a huge for loop)...so I think things might be sped up if the swap usage wasn't (for some unknown reason) topping at 50 percent. |
| 11:35.29 | Graveworm | But I can see the umlauts via a file browser or on the bash, but if I create a file with a umlaut via a file browser, I can't see the right umlaut on bash. |
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| 11:35.52 | maligor | cTATUK, well, swap might cause just that |
| 11:36.04 | maligor | cTATUK, as I said swap is slow as heck |
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| 11:36.39 | cedric3 | hi i want to modify the window manager i want on boot kde actually i have not kde when i boot i don't know where is this file |
| 11:36.41 | cedric3 | thanks |
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| 11:38.30 | mhymn | hi, when etchnhalf will be released? |
| 11:39.14 | cTATUK | The next version of Debian is called Lenny. |
| 11:39.22 | fde | mhymn: I believe you're just talking a blog post from Russel Coker, it is not something concrete. |
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| 11:40.05 | mhymn | no, i'm talking about this --> http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 11:41.47 | mhymn | any idea? |
| 11:42.48 | fde | mhymn: Whenever 4.0r4 is released it says... which will happen when it's done. |
| 11:43.10 | cTATUK | hhhhah |
| 11:43.14 | fde | mhymn: It tells you how to use it now though... so I'm not sure why you need an official release date? |
| 11:43.14 | cTATUK | nice use of 404 |
| 11:43.39 | mhymn | well. ok. thanks |
| 11:43.41 | cTATUK | seeing as how we're at r1 and the next logical step is r2 ... he says r4 :) 404 |
| 11:43.46 | cTATUK | file not found :> |
| 11:44.08 | fde | cTATUK: That's what the wiki says... I've never followed stable :S |
| 11:45.06 | cTATUK | yeah it's interesting |
| 11:45.35 | fde | cTATUK: Not really... just wait till Lenny. |
| 11:46.02 | fde | cTATUK: Stable is for servers... the things it offers isn't interesting in the server space. |
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| 11:46.47 | Almad|Prace | I accidentally deleted my /boot/initrd files, how do I regenerate them so I can upgrade my kernel? |
| 11:46.58 | fde | Only the uninitiated use stable as a desktop. |
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| 11:47.27 | liable | Almad|Prace: dpkg-reconfigure <kernel you deleted the initrd of> |
| 11:48.02 | Almad|Prace | liable: exactly what is not working: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 11:48.23 | Almad|Prace | (message from dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 11:48.29 | fde | Almad|Prace: tough that file, and try again? |
| 11:48.33 | liable | Almad|Prace: thats from reconfigure? |
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| 11:48.42 | liable | touch |
| 11:48.45 | doke_ | apt-get install --reinstall /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 11:48.50 | doke_ | ;) sorry |
| 11:48.53 | fde | yeah... my keys moved :P |
| 11:49.03 | doke_ | apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 11:49.29 | fde | Or just aptitude reinstall ... |
| 11:49.55 | fde | Never even heard of someone doing that though to regenerate an initrd |
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| 11:51.23 | fde | Uhh... I misread the second statement... appears I'm borderline retarded this morning... awesome. |
| 11:51.38 | doke_ | ;D |
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| 11:52.08 | Almad|Prace | liable: eah, that's from reconfigure |
| 11:52.26 | Almad|Prace | aptiture reinstall complains about same thing, tried already |
| 11:52.32 | Almad|Prace | I'll try touch |
| 11:53.32 | Almad|Prace | update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 has been altered. |
| 11:53.33 | Almad|Prace | update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
| 11:53.48 | fde | doke_: For what it's worth, dpkg-reconfigure and aptitude reinstall would accomplish exactly the same thing... |
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| 11:53.54 | fde | Almad|Prace: uhh... then do that? |
| 11:53.55 | Almad|Prace | (-t not available for dpkg...but I'll try examine commands from pakcage...) |
| 11:54.13 | cedric3 | who can help me please when i want to delete the package debian-multimedia-keyring i have |
| 11:54.14 | fde | Almad|Prace: update-initramfs -t |
| 11:54.19 | cedric3 | gpg: import from `/usr/share/keyrings/debian-multimedia-keyring.gpg' failed: file read error |
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| 11:54.27 | liable | Almad|Prace: so use the -t option, whatever that does (which wont be done with dpkg) |
| 11:54.28 | cedric3 | can you help me please |
| 11:54.53 | fde | cedric3: How are you trying to delete it? |
| 11:55.13 | cedric3 | apt-get remove debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 11:55.23 | cedric3 | i think the script to delete it it's not good no ? |
| 11:55.24 | Almad|Prace | fde: I thought update-initramfs alone would not help, but looks like it's the sole thing...thanks guys |
| 11:55.26 | fde | cedric3: Does dpkg -P <package> say the same thing? |
| 11:55.43 | cedric3 | fde : the same error |
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| 11:56.44 | cedric3 | the file of post installation send error 2 |
| 11:56.59 | cedric3 | if i modify this file it's good no .? |
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| 11:57.33 | fde | cedric3: I can only suggest trying dpkg --force-help and see what seems appropriate... |
| 11:57.46 | fde | cedric3: Or reinstall the package, then try removing again... |
| 11:58.09 | emre__ | hello, I am using debian on my laptop. I tried connecting an external display to the laptop and it worked, but I can't set the resolution of the external display to anything different than the laptop screen resolution. Can anyone help please? |
| 11:58.21 | cedric3 | fde: if this package is installed i can re install n o ? |
| 11:58.34 | fde | cedric3: yes. |
| 11:58.51 | cedric3 | how because if i try apt-get install the package i have the error |
| 11:59.04 | fde | cedric3: aptitude reinstall |
| 11:59.05 | cedric3 | pF debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 11:59.39 | cedric3 | : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 11:59.53 | cedric3 | if i try with this command the package is not reinstalled |
| 12:00.54 | fde | cedric3: It's not a particularly important package... so what does 'dpkg -P --force-all <package>' say? |
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| 12:01.29 | fde | emre__: Do you have a second screen definition in your xorg.conf? |
| 12:01.29 | ncomp | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.45 | fde | ncomp: This isn't #ubuntu |
| 12:01.56 | ncomp | thats why /linux |
| 12:02.06 | ncomp | ubuntu or linux |
| 12:02.08 | fde | ncomp: Ask #ubuntu |
| 12:02.20 | emre__ | fde: yes I do |
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| 12:02.36 | ncomp | i dont know exactly if there is only a ubuntu version or for linux |
| 12:02.38 | fde | emre__: With different Mode lines? |
| 12:02.43 | cedric3 | fde : the same error gpg: keyring_get_keyblock: read error: invalid packet |
| 12:02.54 | fde | ncomp: I don't really care... you're asking the wrong channel. |
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| 12:03.18 | fde | ncomp: try #linux |
| 12:03.35 | ncomp | ok then i say it again for you: where can i get the ncompunting linux or DEBIAN software |
| 12:03.40 | fde | cedric3: I'm not sure then... sorry. |
| 12:04.00 | emre__ | fde: with different mode lines do you mean different resolutions in the Secreen section? |
| 12:04.05 | Bleupomme | hello, could anyone explain to me the difference between allow-hotplug eth1 and auto eth1? |
| 12:04.07 | fde | ncomp: Any help I provide will break your Ubuntu system, ask elsewhere. |
| 12:04.21 | ncomp | ok |
| 12:04.30 | Bleupomme | hello, could anyone explain to me the difference between allow-hotplug eth1 and auto eth1? In the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:04.38 | cedric3 | but where is the file post-install of this package? |
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| 12:05.11 | fde | Bleupomme: Don't repeat... allow-hotplug means it can be unplugged and plugged back in seamlessly. |
| 12:05.29 | ma3x | i installed the voip version |
| 12:05.34 | ma3x | but i can't find the voip inside |
| 12:05.38 | ma3x | under which tab is it? |
| 12:05.44 | cTATUK | fde: I've been running 4.0 stable since it was released, and I have run several bleeding-edge distros before-hand also. It's something you have to experience for yourself. I develop _and_ serve on debian stable. It's interesting. :) |
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| 12:06.03 | fde | cedric3: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
| 12:06.04 | Bleupomme | fde: But this works also with auto. And when you chnage the settings you loose the connection |
| 12:06.10 | cedric3 | fde : thanks |
| 12:08.08 | fde | Bleupomme: When you change what setting? |
| 12:08.12 | ma3x | anyone please? |
| 12:08.15 | ma3x | where is the voip tab!? |
| 12:08.23 | Bleupomme | fde: The ip adress for instance |
| 12:08.31 | fde | ma3x: In what app? |
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| 12:08.47 | ma3x | dd-wrtv24 voip |
| 12:08.58 | ma3x | where do i enter the settings for voip? |
| 12:09.00 | Bleupomme | fde: if you change the ip address, the interface stays down until next reboot with allow-hotplug |
| 12:09.04 | fde | Bleupomme: idk... I use auto always.... |
| 12:09.38 | fde | Bleupomme: ifup <whatever> doesn't bring it up? |
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| 12:09.49 | fde | ma3x: Never heard of that app. |
| 12:09.55 | ma3x | VoIP |
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| 12:10.07 | ma3x | voice over ip |
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| 12:10.23 | msshams | is this possible that this line in mysql.conf have a security problem for my server that serves more than 100 web sites?? open-files-limit=15000 |
| 12:10.26 | guysoft42 | hey all, is there a way to make dpkg install packages without any questions to the user? |
| 12:10.40 | fde | ma3x: I know what VoIP is... I have no idea what dd-wrtv24 is unless it's a module... in which case you didn't answer my question. |
| 12:10.48 | Bleupomme | fde: problem is when you change it remotely, it does not give you any chance to type ifup |
| 12:11.18 | fde | guysoft42: dpkg-reconfigure debconf and set it to "high"... it'll ask absolute minimum. |
| 12:11.36 | rvsjoen | schedule ifup before you take it down then |
| 12:11.50 | stew | guysoft42: 'export DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive' iirc |
| 12:11.53 | guysoft42 | fde, i need it to ask none, i am trying to automate an upgrade to a custom dsitro. |
| 12:12.03 | guysoft42 | stew, thanks, let me test :) |
| 12:12.21 | stew | guysoft42: if you want to set that permanantly, you should be able with 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' |
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| 12:12.43 | vinvin | hi |
| 12:12.51 | guysoft42 | stew, no, i want it only for my script, thanks , i am not testing it to see if it worked |
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| 12:13.17 | ma3x | fde: it's a firmware for routers |
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| 12:13.41 | fde | ma3x: So you want us to guess your routers software? |
| 12:14.00 | ma3x | fde: i thought im asking in #dd-wrt wrong chan |
| 12:14.01 | fde | ma3x: How is that related to Debian in any way shape or form? |
| 12:14.59 | vinvin | I'm trying to build a package from sources, but it fails with dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source. I have modified the sources so I guess this is normal, but I used options -uc and -us for debuild to disable the signatures. So why is it not working ? |
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| 12:15.47 | rvsjoen | did you clean it before building ? |
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| 12:16.24 | vinvin | no, why should I ? |
| 12:16.56 | stew | vinvin: what are the unrepresentable changes? |
| 12:17.00 | guysoft42 | stew, i am just testing this with the package sun-java-bin , it askes there for a licence agreement, and that doesn't seem to bypass this |
| 12:17.17 | vinvin | stew: what do you mean by unrepresentable changes ? |
| 12:17.17 | stew | guysoft42: you cannot bypass the java license agreement |
| 12:17.38 | stew | vinvin: what are the changes it is complaining about? it would have told you |
| 12:17.45 | guysoft42 | stew, i was planning to pipe it to a higher gui level.. |
| 12:18.14 | liable | vinvin: i have never seen that after modifying a package, so you need to supply more info |
| 12:18.24 | fde | guysoft42: You can do that with dpkg-reconfigure debconf also... to kde or gnome interfaces for instance - it is what Ubuntu does... |
| 12:18.26 | rvsjoen | will it ask about the license if you make .deb file with make-jpkg ? |
| 12:18.34 | stew | rvsjoen: yes |
| 12:18.42 | vinvin | oh yes stew test/igetest: binary file contents changed |
| 12:18.44 | stew | guysoft42: if you want the license to show up in a gui, perhaps you can set DEBOCONF_FRONTENT to something different or you are going to have to repackage the java pacakge |
| 12:18.48 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 12:19.13 | stew | vinvin: did you intend to change this file? |
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| 12:19.42 | vinvin | no stew I don't know what this is, I just changed a C file |
| 12:19.54 | stew | vinvin: is this file automatically generated? |
| 12:19.56 | IanL | Anyone happen to know the "right way" to create a keyboard layout with xkb? modifying xkb's settings means they get overwritten every time xkb-data is updated. |
| 12:20.21 | guysoft42 | stew, ok ill go google about it, and will be back :) |
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| 12:20.57 | vinvin | probably stew, but why could there be a changed content warning over a generated file ? |
| 12:21.26 | stew | vinvin: becuase its in the orig.tar.gz and it changed |
| 12:21.44 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 12:21.54 | vinvin | stew: so what can I do about it ? |
| 12:22.06 | vinvin | I don't care about this file |
| 12:22.14 | stew | vinvin: you can replace it with the original version |
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| 12:22.24 | crazyfrog | my sound card can not work,who can help me? |
| 12:22.32 | stew | crazyfrog: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 12:22.38 | vinvin | allright stew i'll try |
| 12:23.20 | jaaroo | hi there guys. I'm trying to install debian etch using debootstrap on running sarge system. But it fails with:E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 12:23.44 | jaaroo | I suppose sarge debootstrap is too old and doesn't know etch. Is there any official way how to solve this? |
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| 12:23.56 | stew | jaaroo: you have to use a newer version of debootstrap |
| 12:23.58 | sep | jaaroo, look for debootstrap in backports ? |
| 12:24.02 | liable | jaaroo: is the system actually up to date? |
| 12:24.30 | liable | why backports? sarges debootstrap should know about etch |
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| 12:24.38 | stew | jaaroo: just download the debootstrap .deb from etch or testing install it with dpkg -i |
| 12:24.49 | vinvin | stew: there is no such file in the orig tar.gz, juste the C file which is used to compile it |
| 12:25.01 | jaaroo | liable: is up-to-date (if that can be said about sarge) |
| 12:25.19 | jaaroo | stew: that might help, thanks for advice |
| 12:25.39 | liable | why wouldnt sarges debootstrap know about etch? |
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| 12:26.07 | stew | liable: becuase when that version of debootstrap entereed unstable, etch didn't yet exist, nor had a name been chosen for it yet |
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| 12:26.32 | stew | vinvin: then the problem is the fact that it exists at all. this file should be removed by debian/rules clean |
| 12:26.48 | vinvin | oh ok |
| 12:27.00 | liable | so etches debootstrap doesnt know about lenny? |
| 12:27.24 | antares | Morning i want to install the interface web for my cluster on Debian OS, i install ganglia-monitor package can you give the name of the other packages what i need to finish my installation |
| 12:27.28 | vinvin | so there is something missing in the original makefile ? I don't know how the maintainer could have missed that |
| 12:28.09 | stew | liable: it does |
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| 12:28.57 | stew | liable: but that one didn't enter debian via unstable, it was an update directly to stable |
| 12:29.02 | jaaroo | stew: thanks much it worked. I was a bit scared that it might depend on some other libs/packages from etch as it is usually not very easy to mix packages from various releases |
| 12:29.13 | stew | liable: the one that etch released with didn't know about lenny |
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| 12:29.33 | liable | stew: strange they let it release like that |
| 12:29.35 | cTATUK | i found my swap issue to be because x86 architecture limits a process to 3gb memory, so i'll look more into that. thanks |
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| 12:30.00 | liable | sarges i mean |
| 12:30.08 | fde | liable: Does it work w/ 'testing' instead? |
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| 12:30.25 | stew | liable: well the good thing is that the dependencies are such that you can always directly install the one from testing/unstable |
| 12:30.28 | guysoft42 | right, i got it, its dpkg -i --priority and DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome .. next phase |
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| 12:30.50 | liable | stew: the bad thing is that it released like that ;) |
| 12:30.54 | guysoft42 | does anyone know if there is a way to get the information off debconf, for building a progress bar? |
| 12:31.10 | vinvin | ok stew that was a clean problem |
| 12:31.18 | vinvin | i removed it, now it builds it again |
| 12:31.32 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 12:31.32 | liable | fde: i dont have any sarge boxes to try :) |
| 12:31.38 | vinvin | thank you |
| 12:31.41 | Ace2016 | how do i find out what cdrom model i have? |
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| 12:31.53 | Ace2016 | lspci and lsusb didn't help |
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| 12:32.33 | Python1320 | How could I allow normal users to bind to low ports, I need to run bind as normal user but afaik it wouldn't be able to bind to the domain port |
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| 12:32.38 | Eulex | Ace2016, dmesg? |
| 12:32.42 | Ace2016 | oh |
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| 12:33.03 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.12 | Ace2016 | not much help there |
| 12:33.42 | Ace2016 | hda: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-T20L, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 12:33.44 | Ace2016 | found it, thanks |
| 12:34.02 | Graveworm | Hmm... No one who can help with samba 3, debian etch and umlauts? |
| 12:34.08 | Python1320 | Hmm, let's reformat this. I need to run named on a unprivileged user. Is there a way to allow this unprivileged user to bind to low ports |
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| 12:35.09 | wide_awake | If I upgrade openssl on a machine, will that invalidate keys /that/ machine uses to connect to other non-upgraded boxes? |
| 12:35.40 | stew | Graveworm: perhaps #samba can |
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| 12:36.39 | Graveworm | Whoops... There really is a #samba... Ok. I'll try it there... |
| 12:36.58 | stew | wide_awake: no, but you should replace any keys generated with the bad openssl, and replace any DSA keys used by the bad openssl |
| 12:37.23 | wide_awake | stew, ok, sounds good. |
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| 12:37.42 | wide_awake | just trying to work thru the openssl upgrade with minimal downtime (I use ssh keys quite a bit) |
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| 12:44.22 | fireba11 | wide_awake: downtime ? |
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| 12:45.13 | XTZGZoReX | i386 = x86, right? |
| 12:45.21 | litlebuda | yep |
| 12:45.25 | wide_awake | keeping automated SSL tunnels open |
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| 12:45.50 | XTZGZoReX | k, thanks |
| 12:46.50 | XTZGZoReX | What's the difference from the "business card" version of the Debian image and the other 180 MB one? |
| 12:46.57 | XTZGZoReX | Just more to download? |
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| 12:47.59 | fireba11 | wide_awake: restarting ssl won't close connections .. you just have to change keys without the tunnel getting disconnected and you're okay |
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| 12:48.30 | wide_awake | fireba11: I also need to make sure that everything will re-connect without user intervention if/when the tunnels close |
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| 12:48.41 | wide_awake | Should be fine if I do it carefully :) |
| 12:48.45 | hazard1nc | can anyone help me with this apt-get error? http://pastebin.com/m47c43322 |
| 12:49.11 | vinvin | is there an official channel for openssl? |
| 12:49.15 | hazard1nc | i've tried running dpkg --configure -a and i still get errors :( |
| 12:49.31 | vinvin | I am not able to build it with debian's source package |
| 12:49.46 | vinvin | ./testssl: line 36: 16137 Segmentation fault $ssltest -ssl2 $extra |
| 12:50.24 | wide_awake | hazard1nc: you prolly need to upgrade the "debian-archive-keyring" package |
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| 12:51.05 | crazyfrog | what is the mean of ACPI?when i issue the command "dmesg",i see a lot of lines begin with it |
| 12:51.06 | hazard1nc | ok i'll give that a try |
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| 12:51.50 | Graveworm | hazard1nc: have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 12:52.13 | prahal | hazard1nc, /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg add or uncomment a line with "no-debsig" |
| 12:52.13 | Graveworm | have you installed "debsig-verify" ? |
| 12:52.43 | prahal | hi did someone noticed issues with php 5.2.6-1 cli ? It does not return (exit) on my box (and I need it to to be able to use phing from another php script ... if it does not return my script never end ) |
| 12:52.51 | Graveworm | hazard1nc: That package maybe causes the problem |
| 12:52.56 | hazard1nc | yeah, thats what i was trying to install the first few error messages i was getting |
| 12:53.17 | hazard1nc | maybe i confused it with all the packages I was trying to add together? |
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| 12:54.23 | Graveworm | hazard1nc: According to "http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt" it should be ok to deinstall "debsig-verify". |
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| 12:55.05 | hazard1nc | ok, i'll try that and maybe use apt-get update to fix any other issues, thanks for the help all :) |
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| 12:57.32 | Legality | hi, I was hoping someone could help me out |
| 12:57.35 | Legality | this is my interface |
| 12:57.35 | Legality | http://pastebin.org/37273 |
| 12:57.49 | Legality | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 12:57.55 | Legality | I get this when restarting networking |
| 12:58.03 | Legality | how is the interface set wrong? |
| 12:58.03 | thid | hello |
| 12:58.28 | prahal | gee it seems there is an issue with the mysql extension that locks when php try to shutdown :-( |
| 12:58.46 | thid | any1 tryed to compile eaccelerator for php4 on debian etch? |
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| 12:59.38 | hazard1nc | hmm, it was just the package I guess. thanks for all the help guys :) |
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| 13:01.33 | stew | Legality: why are you trying to add a route to yourself? |
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| 13:02.40 | stew | Legality: you are trying to add a -net which would have already existed (since such a route would have been created automatically when the interface was brought up) |
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| 13:07.38 | Legality | stew: Do i need to reboot it? |
| 13:07.44 | stew | Legality: no |
| 13:09.03 | rati | gajjar |
| 13:10.03 | stew | Legality: i suspect you just to replace the -net route with a -host route to your gateway |
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| 13:11.05 | tarzeau | how can i add my own background bitmaps to openoffice? page setup, background, bitmap? |
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| 13:11.56 | thid | could any1 help me? I'm trying to compile eaccelerator for php4 on etch but I got some errors -> http://dpaste.com/51627/ |
| 13:12.02 | Legality | stew: I changed the -net ip |
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| 13:15.40 | BlueG | if you want to use a kernel graphics driver that is not automatically loaded, can you manually modprobe it, or must it be loaded at boot time? |
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| 13:26.32 | crazyfrog | in my bios,my ide disk is set to has 38309 cylinder,but when i run "fdisk /dev/hdc" ,it shows only 9729 cylinders.it is a problem? |
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| 13:29.12 | kasmra | Hi, I'm thinking of upgrading my Etch to Lenny. Here's my sources.list (http://debian.pastebin.com/m6561ff7e). I'm wondering if the debian-unofficial repositories (and backports) could cause problems during upgrade. Or should I just s/etch/lenny/g and do the upgrade? |
| 13:30.03 | Penix | kasmra: if they're unofficial *etch* repos, yes, they'll cause problems. and I assume there's no lenny backports |
| 13:30.18 | Penix | well, maybe not cause problems, but they shouldn't really be there |
| 13:30.36 | kasmra | OK, so I should comment them out and leave only the official repos? |
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| 13:31.05 | S4nD3r | When, I start my box, comes dark screen (nothing is showed), I run recovery mode, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg , to work and I be here again. |
| 13:31.07 | Penix | kasmra: yes. otherwise find out if the third party repos you're using have a lenny branch |
| 13:31.20 | kasmra | Penix: OK, thank you. |
| 13:31.24 | S4nD3r | What to do to solve this one to works in normal mode of start? |
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| 13:32.15 | Penix | S4nD3r: what errors are reported in your Xorg log file? |
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| 13:35.02 | S4nD3r | is not showed any error Penix |
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| 13:35.58 | needbeer | http://www.dasdeutschlandspiel.de/index.php?page=beg.php&id=4410 |
| 13:36.53 | Penix | S4nD3r: make sure you're using the right driver, the proper resolutiob and refresh rate, etc. |
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| 13:38.09 | S4nD3r | but, when I run this dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg all works properly |
| 13:38.52 | S4nD3r | xorg.conf generated do not have driver of videocard |
| 13:39.16 | S4nD3r | just have "configured video device" |
| 13:39.24 | Penix | what version of debian are you using? |
| 13:39.35 | S4nD3r | etch |
| 13:40.02 | S4nD3r | for me, xorg do not is "talking" to gnome |
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| 13:40.12 | S4nD3r | looks they not takes the same configuration |
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| 13:41.22 | ranit | I have done everything possible to get the restrictive driver up for my wifi Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) but couldn,t please help http://pastebin.com/m5e4ea461 |
| 13:41.41 | abrotman | even ndiswrapper? |
| 13:42.17 | ranit | no b43-cutter |
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| 13:42.41 | Lagbolt | ranit, i have 4311 |
| 13:42.54 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 13:42.54 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 13:43.00 | Lagbolt | i use ndiswrapper cause i cant get b43 to connect to wpa enterprise |
| 13:43.37 | abrotman | doh .. no wonder my ppc didn't load up right |
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| 13:45.23 | anomic | Lagbolt: i compiled a kernel using the config that comes with the 2.6.24 kernel. it's not even detecting my encrypted partitions, it seems |
| 13:45.55 | Lagbolt | anomic, is it not getting to password? |
| 13:46.05 | Lagbolt | anomic, might want to inspect the initramfs contents |
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| 13:46.40 | anomic | Lagbolt: not getting as far as the password prompt, no |
| 13:46.48 | helo | i am running debian on a machine with a 512MB compact flash card, and 512MB ram... i figure, what's the point of having the CF card if everything could fit in ram just as well... is there an easy way to take a disk-booting debian install and run it from ram? i have pxe booting for reimaging the machine already... |
| 13:46.49 | Lagbolt | and the config for 24 that you used is the one that was for the kernel that does work? |
| 13:46.56 | Lagbolt | anomic, where does it hang? |
| 13:47.50 | anomic | Lagbolt: it says /dev/hda2 not found. i can reboot and write down the specific error if you want |
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| 13:48.07 | anomic | and yes, i'm using the config from the kernel i'm using now |
| 13:48.18 | anomic | just ran oldconfig on it, and went with the defaults |
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| 13:48.38 | Lagbolt | hda2 eh? so you are using ide drive correct? and kernel entries in grub are the same? |
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| 13:49.31 | Lagbolt | i have no idea how your system is configured, might help to pastebin a few things, like menu.lst for grub, fstab, and crypttab for starters |
| 13:49.49 | anomic | Lagbolt: the entries for the two kernels are the same in that regard, yes |
| 13:49.54 | Lagbolt | and anomic what method did you use to create this new kernel |
| 13:50.00 | anomic | Lagbolt: make |
| 13:50.04 | Lagbolt | did you make an identical new kernel to try |
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| 13:50.14 | Lagbolt | make? thats it? did you do mkinitramfs? |
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| 13:50.59 | anomic | Lagbolt: i made a 2.6.25 kernel using the config from my working 2.6.24 kernel. make oldconfig, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install, update-initramfs -c, update-grub |
| 13:51.16 | Lagbolt | all i can do is guess that there is a problem in the procedure you used to make kernel, if you could paste bin the commands you used to install it |
| 13:51.18 | anomic | that should be everything |
| 13:51.19 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
| 13:51.21 | abrotman | #kernel |
| 13:51.36 | abrotman | if you don't want to use a Debian packaged kernel, ask #kernel |
| 13:51.57 | anomic | ok, abrotman. i will in the future |
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| 13:52.01 | abrotman | now? |
| 13:52.11 | anomic | i'm having a conversation with Lagbolt now |
| 13:52.16 | anomic | i'd appreciate it if you would respect that |
| 13:52.20 | abrotman | so take it to #kernel |
| 13:52.26 | Lagbolt | anomic, you can pm me if you like or we can go to #kernel |
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| 13:52.42 | stew | anomic: if you are expecting your conversation to be private, please take it elsewhere |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | i'd very much recommend #kernel |
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| 13:52.58 | Lagbolt | yeah i am in #kernel, feel free to join |
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| 13:53.30 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:54.11 | BlauS | hey i have a new debian 4.0 install and try to install the xserver now it complains it cannot find the default font 'fixed' and aborts, how can ichange this? |
| 13:54.16 | zd32nv | is there a way to view installed packages sorted by date of installation? Is there a log file to parse for such a thing? |
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| 13:54.37 | stew | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 13:54.40 | abrotman | BlauS: aptitude install xorg |
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| 13:55.11 | stew | zd32nv: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude (if you use aptitude); but other than those, installation date is not stored |
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| 13:56.04 | stew | zd32nv: though perhaps one could use somethign like, "ls -t /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list" to sort from newest to oldest |
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| 13:57.20 | S4nD3r | stew: How long time we dont talk!!!! |
| 13:57.39 | BlauS | abrotman: thanks stupid mistake, I just installed xorg-xserver :P |
| 13:57.59 | S4nD3r | Now Im using a notebook Dell Inspiron 1525, but... with a broacom not supported yet |
| 13:58.20 | netcrash | helo , in debian can the cron.daily scripts have echo "something" ?? A script I have is not getting executed can't determine the cause for this to be happening |
| 13:58.25 | zd32nv | stew: thank you :) |
| 13:58.27 | S4nD3r | Id like to have help to try to work this wireless card |
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| 13:58.53 | Lagbolt | S4nD3r, broadcom support is so so in my oppinion , some have it working some do not. if you cant get bcm driver to work, try ndiswrapper |
| 13:59.08 | stew | netcrash: what is the name of the script? |
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| 14:00.04 | S4nD3r | These days, I tried a netgear USB wireless card... this was recognized and worked... neither click I need to do... I guess that had a chipsed rtl |
| 14:00.31 | S4nD3r | I load module of broadcom, but I dont know to go on |
| 14:00.40 | netcrash | stew: backup.sh |
| 14:00.55 | stew | netcrash: then it would be ignored becuase of the . in the name, "man run-parts" |
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| 14:01.19 | netcrash | stew: thank you :S |
| 14:01.44 | emre | hello, does anyone know why ctrl+alt+<plus> is not working even though I have several resolutions set in the Modes section? |
| 14:01.59 | zd32nv | are any of you using pcsx? any idea how i can use my keyboard? |
| 14:03.11 | Xeto | emre: probably the other resolutions are not working and xorg skip them |
| 14:03.49 | emre | Xeto: I have connected an external display to my laptop and I can't set the resolution to the default of the external LCD |
| 14:04.00 | stew | emre: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:04.44 | emre | stew: 4.0 |
| 14:05.43 | Xeto | emre: I've never played with external displays in GNU/Linux, sorry |
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| 14:05.56 | emre | Xeto: thanks anyways |
| 14:07.30 | S4nD3r | My Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n in http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Broadcom is red |
| 14:07.47 | S4nD3r | but, linux found here the card!!! |
| 14:07.57 | S4nD3r | Its a Dell Wireless 1500 Draft 802.11n WLAN Mini-card |
| 14:08.23 | JyZyXEL | what was the name of that tool that tests bandwidth between two computers |
| 14:08.28 | JyZyXEL | network bandwidth |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:08.38 | dpkg | i guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 14:29.57 | o2T7 | hi, is it possible to bind an existing X session (say :0 ) to a network socket? I mean, If I create a new X session (i.e. :1) and then run `xhost ip.of.my.Xclient`, then I can use such things as `xterm -display ip.of.X.server:1`, but I can't do `xterm -display ip.of.X.server:0`. I don't want to server X:0 all the time, only when I am going to start a X client somewhere, is it possible? |
| 14:30.01 | Akuw | HI |
| 14:30.07 | Akuw | where is .htaccess ? |
| 14:30.21 | o2T7 | Akuw: `sudo find / -name ".htaccess" |
| 14:30.38 | o2T7 | Akuw: Normally in your web server's root |
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| 14:32.23 | stew | Akuw: there wouldn't be one unless someone created one. in general you should only use one if you are not able to alter the apache configuration directly |
| 14:32.31 | tomfmason | hates touchpad mice |
| 14:32.48 | hoxu | o2T7, I'm a bit confused about what you want, but if you mean you want to run an X app at target machine but have it display on your local desktop, just use X forwarding with ssh |
| 14:32.50 | Akuw | hummm, ok |
| 14:33.30 | stew | o2T7: you'd have to turn off the default '-nolisten tcp' which is in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc ; however you should note that using xhost opens huge security issues (like anyone on the allowed ips can sniff all your keystrokes) |
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| 14:34.00 | hoxu | o2T7, /msg dpkg xhost |
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| 14:35.47 | o2T7 | stew: But, removing "-nolisten tcp" would open X for any session started with xinit, isn't it ? |
| 14:36.51 | stew | o2T7: it would make any x session listen to a tcp port. it would still require that people have a valid magic cookie to connect however |
| 14:36.53 | o2T7 | hoxu: thanks, I'll do it that way :) |
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| 14:38.21 | hoxu | o2T7, just in case if it wasn't clear, you don't need a running X server at the *remote* machine where you run X apps on, just where you want to show them |
| 14:38.29 | vinvin | cya |
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| 14:55.22 | Ount | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 14:55.30 | Ount | sound card does not work: ( |
| 14:56.00 | Chairos | where do I submit suggestions for a package? |
| 14:56.03 | Chairos | bug tracker? |
| 14:56.05 | stew | Ount: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 14:56.09 | Chairos | (improvements to an existing package) |
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| 14:56.21 | Ount | hum |
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| 14:56.33 | stew | Chairos: file a wishlist bug against the package: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 14:56.57 | crazyfrog | how to find out which IRQ my lp1 is using? |
| 14:57.15 | stew | crazyfrog: try 'cat /proc/interrupts' |
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| 15:01.36 | Dewi | in the massive thing that is PAM, is there any facility for me to do access control of particular users to particular services? |
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| 15:02.14 | Dewi | eg, "tom can access ssh and pop, john has only ssh, sam has pop and samba" |
| 15:02.45 | Ount | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 15:02.49 | Ount | All modules are loaded |
| 15:02.50 | Ount | :( |
| 15:03.00 | guru3 | Dewi: i think you have to do that on a per service basis |
| 15:03.02 | cahoot | Ount: tried as root too? |
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| 15:03.24 | Ount | in other distro works normally, in most debian does not work: ( |
| 15:03.41 | stew | Ount: does alsaconf detect your card? |
| 15:03.55 | Dewi | guru3: I find it hard to accept that PAM grew into such a huge monstrosity of options and advanced semantics... and yet a simple access control matrix is nowhere to be seen? |
| 15:04.01 | Ount | yes |
| 15:04.15 | stew | Ount: which driver are you using? |
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| 15:04.21 | Dewi | guru3: doing it on a service by service basis requires me, or my software, to reliably grok and synchronise a dozen configuration file formats... |
| 15:04.26 | Ount | two hda-intel, legacy |
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| 15:04.37 | guru3 | well, thats true |
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| 15:04.42 | guru3 | but i'd hardly call myself a pam expert |
| 15:04.43 | Ount | hda-intel |
| 15:04.52 | guru3 | ive merely never heard of something like what you're trying to do |
| 15:04.55 | stew | Dewi: you can have flat files which either include or exclude users for a particular service |
| 15:05.07 | Dewi | stew: any idea where I'd look for that? |
| 15:05.16 | Dewi | stew: there's a heck of a lot of stuff here |
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| 15:05.28 | dokma | hi guys |
| 15:05.30 | Dewi | stew: I can't find a starting point for understanding any of it |
| 15:05.34 | stew | Dewi: auth required pam_listfile.so item=user sense=deny file=/etc/ftpusers onerr=succeed |
| 15:05.42 | dokma | I'd like to list functions from /usr/lib/libuuid.a |
| 15:05.46 | dokma | how is that done |
| 15:05.59 | battlemidget | list functions? |
| 15:06.07 | dokma | symbols that are in the library |
| 15:06.08 | stew | Dewi: (man pam_listfile) |
| 15:06.15 | battlemidget | objdump? |
| 15:06.16 | Ount | stew, has solution |
| 15:06.21 | dokma | let me check |
| 15:06.25 | Dewi | stew: hmm... okay |
| 15:06.31 | stew | Ount: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:07.50 | dokma | battlemidget: this is a little bit hard to read |
| 15:07.58 | battlemidget | how do you expect to limit access to applications if some of those applications dont support pam? |
| 15:08.12 | battlemidget | you can deny access to things like ssh, etc |
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| 15:08.52 | Dewi | battlemidget: well it seems like a better starting point than inventing a competitor to PAM |
| 15:09.01 | abrotman | do eet! |
| 15:09.19 | battlemidget | Dewi: write you rown pam modules |
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| 15:09.36 | Dewi | battlemidget: maybe I will |
| 15:09.48 | stew | Dewi: other approaches would be libpam-mysql or maybe libnss-mysql |
| 15:09.51 | Dewi | but I'm really not interested in writing a user store |
| 15:10.00 | Dewi | I just want an access matrix |
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| 15:10.16 | stew | Ount: what does "cat /proc/asound/version" say? |
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| 15:10.28 | Dewi | I don't like creating users and having them automatically have access to 5 services and no way to control it on a system-wide level |
| 15:10.30 | battlemidget | Dewi: are you attempting to lock down application usage based on users? |
| 15:10.36 | battlemidget | i see |
| 15:10.43 | battlemidget | have you looked into things like policykit? |
| 15:10.48 | Dewi | battlemidget: I simply would like to give somebody a web site without giving them mail |
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| 15:11.05 | battlemidget | Dewi: chroot may be useful |
| 15:11.19 | battlemidget | Dewi: especially if you are doing this for hosting solutions |
| 15:11.22 | Dewi | battlemidget: no, chroot is a reason I need this |
| 15:11.34 | Dewi | battlemidget: chroot is meaningless without a uid |
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| 15:11.52 | Dewi | battlemidget: and currently creating a uid, leads to half a dozen services becoming available |
| 15:12.09 | battlemidget | what services |
| 15:12.15 | Dewi | mail delivery |
| 15:12.16 | Dewi | ssh |
| 15:12.18 | Dewi | ftp if I ran one |
| 15:12.19 | jelly | Dewi: ldap, groups, and a pam module that I do not know about, that would check for particular service-group membership |
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| 15:12.27 | Dewi | pop3/imap |
| 15:12.29 | tomfmason | I did an update last night (lenny) and now my gnome setup is fubared. The background image is green, I can't change it and the windows are now buggy. |
| 15:12.44 | battlemidget | you can control access through kerberos/ldap |
| 15:12.47 | battlemidget | as well |
| 15:13.42 | Ount | stew, not found asound |
| 15:13.58 | extor | newegg is having a memorial day sale 4 gig USB drive for $15.99 but I wish they had a special on 8 gig USBs so I could move a knoppix DVD to one of em...or even construct my own personalized debian liveCD |
| 15:14.01 | extor | sighs |
| 15:14.05 | hoxu | !btssmite tomfmason |
| 15:14.05 | dpkg | beats tomfmason around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if tomfmason is running Unstable |
| 15:14.14 | Dewi | extor: 700mb is plenty |
| 15:14.23 | Ount | has no asound |
| 15:14.24 | Dewi | extor: let alone 4gb |
| 15:14.31 | extor | Dewi knoppix doesnt make liveCDs any more..they make live DVDs now |
| 15:14.35 | Bushmills | dewi, a procmail rule would proibably do, redirecting to unknown@... |
| 15:14.53 | stew | Ount: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:14.53 | Bushmills | ehm. s/rule/recipe/ |
| 15:15.04 | jelly | extor: there are smaller livecd distros than that |
| 15:15.31 | extor | jelly you obviously havent looked at the latests knoppix DVD...it is just awesome with so many goodies |
| 15:15.36 | Dewi | Bushmills: I don't want every user to need N rules in N files, all different locations, all different formats. It's a security nightmare... |
| 15:15.42 | extor | 4.4 gig size though |
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| 15:15.53 | extor | I wonder if I could strip 400 megs from it somehow? |
| 15:15.57 | jelly | extor: no, I haven't. grml.org is enough for my needs |
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| 15:16.14 | jelly | !start a livecd war |
| 15:16.21 | jelly | hey. |
| 15:16.35 | Ount | stew, 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:16.36 | hoxu | hmm, what livecds are there? :p |
| 15:16.38 | extor | jelly the knoppix CD has stuff like evince, openoffice...nice KDE desktop |
| 15:16.50 | extor | slax is a pretty lean mean liveCD |
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| 15:17.02 | extor | dsl is another lean one |
| 15:17.14 | Bushmills | dewi, make web domain a virtual mail domain, wildcard any recipient to unknown, except the valid recipients, which are redirected to user@hostname |
| 15:17.18 | extor | but knoppix is the flashiest with good hardware detecton |
| 15:17.31 | jelly | extor: thanks, not interested (and it's ot) |
| 15:17.39 | Dewi | Bushmills: I do that when I can |
| 15:17.45 | Dewi | Bushmills: but that doesn't get me a chroot |
| 15:17.52 | Ount | stew, alsaconf- http://rafb.net/p/orlXb235.html |
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| 15:18.08 | stew | Ount: is udevd running? |
| 15:18.14 | Dewi | although... I guess a chroot could just choose any UID it wishes |
| 15:18.23 | Bushmills | dewi, right, only addresses your first stated requirement: web domain without mail. |
| 15:18.24 | Dewi | probably doesn't need to exist in /etc/passwd or anything |
| 15:18.35 | extor | ot? but knoppix is debian based |
| 15:18.38 | Dewi | Bushmills: not a chrooted web domain |
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| 15:19.29 | stew | Ount: actually that doesn't matter. you should have /proc/asound if alsa is working. can you show us the output of "lsmod | grep snd" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:19.30 | Dewi | Bushmills: if you don't need auth, there's no problem. The problem is when you need auth for one service, and suddenly you're providing all services |
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| 15:20.47 | _gAri- | hi people, how can I use smbpasswd in a way that it doenst require a same unix account to be present in order to add a new user to smb? |
| 15:21.43 | extor | jelly is there anything like grml but meant more for desktop systems? |
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| 15:22.16 | Ount | stew, modules are hda |
| 15:22.19 | Ount | SDA does not return anything |
| 15:22.26 | jelly | extor: no idea; desktop-on-usb is not my use case |
| 15:22.59 | stew | Ount: what do you mean by "modules are hda"? what do you mean by "SDA does not return anything"? |
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| 15:23.34 | hoxu | jelly, there, feel free to polish the factoid up ;) |
| 15:23.49 | Dewi | stew: pam_listfile is nice... I wish I could apply it to the common service file, but I don't think there'd be any way to distinguish which service was involved |
| 15:23.56 | Dewi | stew: but it's a great starting point, thanks |
| 15:24.26 | jelly | hoxu: huh |
| 15:24.38 | stew | Dewi: you could probably write your own pam module. they are not hard to write if you have a good starting point |
| 15:24.54 | Ount | the modules from my plate, are all loaded, but not work: ( |
| 15:25.11 | jelly | hoxu: oh, you've created the livecd war one |
| 15:25.28 | stew | Ount: if the alsa modules are loaded, /proc/asound/version should exist |
| 15:25.37 | Ount | This is an audio file only, and there is no audio output available. |
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| 15:25.42 | stew | Ount: actually that doesn't matter. you should have /proc/asound if alsa is working. can you show us the output of "lsmod | grep snd" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:25.56 | Dewi | stew: sure, maybe. I just am at that annoying stage where I can't figure out what PAM is really capable of, and I've been stuck in this state for 6 months |
| 15:26.16 | jelly | Dewi: I've been in that state for 12 years! |
| 15:26.41 | Dewi | stew: with the feeling that as bloody usual, the problems I want to solve are problems everyone else has... somehow never run into |
| 15:27.01 | Dewi | my needs don't *seem* unique |
| 15:27.14 | Dewi | but I guess they must be :) |
| 15:27.16 | stew | Dewi: when i wanted what you want now i used libpam-mysql |
| 15:27.51 | Dewi | stew: did you have to design your own schema? |
| 15:27.58 | stew | Dewi: yes |
| 15:28.14 | Dewi | stew: I guess it's better than doing it for every daemon |
| 15:28.21 | jelly | Dewi: legacy: work around it by having separate autentication files for each service, generated from a db :-| |
| 15:28.22 | Ount | stew, http://rafb.net/p/bQICeL97.html |
| 15:29.24 | Dewi | jelly: if the files were simple and homogenous I wouldn't even need a DB... it would be easy to suck them in and spit them out |
| 15:29.38 | Dewi | jelly: so pam_listfile might be all I need |
| 15:29.50 | Dewi | jelly: that and the knowledge to insert it into all those PAM stacks |
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| 15:30.03 | Dewi | jelly: which of course I have no idea how to do, but that's research for another day |
| 15:30.07 | Dewi | (it's 1:30 am) |
| 15:30.19 | stew | Ount: is /proc mounted? |
| 15:30.50 | Ount | stew, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.12rc1 (Thu Jun 22 13:55:50 2006 UTC). |
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| 15:31.58 | stew | Ount: ok, i'd recommend upgrading the alsa modules, 1.0.16 is available and the snd-hda-intel driver has been changing rapidly |
| 15:32.02 | stew | Ount: is this etch? |
| 15:32.09 | Ount | yes |
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| 15:32.33 | extor | grml iso downloading at 600KBps via bittorrent. Fastest I have seen. |
| 15:32.37 | stew | man, why did the alsa-source maintainer have to switch to dh6 |
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| 15:32.54 | stew | i don't know what to recommend for etch users to upgrade alsa anymore |
| 15:33.10 | twobitwork | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:33.23 | Ount | =x |
| 15:33.27 | twobitwork | hmm |
| 15:33.29 | stew | twobitwork: no, not that |
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| 15:33.56 | twobitwork | stew: heh, sorry... I'm not referring to your alsa problem, I'm trying to solve mine :P when I /msg dpkg alsa one-liner it says it doesn't know... |
| 15:34.00 | stew | twobitwork: i mean "/msg dpkg new alsa" but those instructions don't work for etch anymore becuase alsa-source now relies on debhelper 6 |
| 15:34.49 | Bushmills | the fallout of progress :P |
| 15:35.08 | twobitwork | anyways /msg dpkg audio says "see <alsa one-liner>" but dpkg says it doesn't know it |
| 15:35.15 | stew | twobitwork: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 15:35.26 | twobitwork | yeah, I went through that |
| 15:35.34 | stew | twobitwork: or http://dpkg.vireo.org/alsa+one-liner |
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| 15:36.04 | twobitwork | how do I see if arts or esound is stopped? neither show up in ps, but there also isn't anything in /etc/init.d for them |
| 15:36.45 | Bushmills | esound process name is iirc esd |
| 15:36.47 | stew | Ount: you could also try a newer kernel from stable-proposed updates, which would get you at least to alsa 1.0.15: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 15:37.14 | twobitwork | Bushmills: not in ps either |
| 15:37.21 | stew | twobitwork: fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* |
| 15:37.23 | Ount | hum.. |
| 15:37.42 | twobitwork | stew: /dev/snd/controlC0: 15374 |
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| 15:38.07 | stew | twobitwork: that's just a mixer (perhaps a volume control in a panel somewhere) |
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| 15:38.10 | hellues | hey |
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| 15:38.23 | twobitwork | stew: ok... what am I missing then? |
| 15:38.57 | stew | twobitwork: how are you trying to test? what is actually happening? |
| 15:38.58 | hellues | is there a program to adjust fan |
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| 15:39.08 | Bushmills | twobitwork: check /tmp/.esd for socket |
| 15:39.27 | hellues | my computer temprature 65 C |
| 15:39.27 | twobitwork | well... I tried playing music, then I tried "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and either way I get no sound |
| 15:39.27 | hellues | and i wonna adjust fan speed |
| 15:39.29 | hellues | is there a way |
| 15:39.32 | enouf | speaker-test ? |
| 15:39.41 | twobitwork | Bushmills: nope... is esd the default sound mixer in debian? |
| 15:39.48 | enouf | alsamixer muted sliders? |
| 15:39.51 | stew | twobitwork: show us the output of "amixer" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:39.57 | Bushmills | twobitwork: gnome uses it |
| 15:39.57 | twobitwork | enouf: nothing |
| 15:40.19 | enouf | twobitwork: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:40.20 | Bushmills | artsd is a kde thing. |
| 15:40.33 | twobitwork | enouf: lenny/sid |
| 15:41.00 | cahoot | twobitwork: run speaker-test in a termainal as suggested |
| 15:41.03 | twobitwork | http://pastebin.com/m4b23513f |
| 15:41.13 | twobitwork | cahoot: that's what I just did, I get nothing |
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| 15:41.57 | hellues | i have acer aspire 5720g |
| 15:41.57 | twobitwork | and alsamixer has no muted sliders, and they're all at high volumn |
| 15:42.09 | twobitwork | volume* |
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| 15:42.40 | stew | his mixer looks fine |
| 15:43.07 | stew | twobitwork: are you connected to the correct output on your sound card? |
| 15:43.18 | twobitwork | stew: its the one with the little headphone looking symbol, right? :P |
| 15:43.34 | twobitwork | (this is a laptop, my only other option is the one that looks like a mic) |
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| 15:44.51 | stew | twobitwork: then yes, headphone |
| 15:44.59 | nvz | is there a webcam server that someone can connect to via http in debian? |
| 15:45.10 | cahoot | motion? |
| 15:45.15 | Ount | stew, thanks you |
| 15:45.15 | nvz | I'm pretty sure this logitech cam I got will work on debian |
| 15:45.20 | twobitwork | tries a different set of headphones |
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| 15:45.48 | debian2_6_24_1am | is there any way to use hdparm to check disk cycles |
| 15:46.17 | cahoot | nvz: looked at motion? |
| 15:46.25 | twobitwork | nope... still no sound |
| 15:47.13 | nvz | cahoot: na I tried to do a quick apt-cache search but something is wrong with my cache right now I'm gonna have to update |
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| 15:47.24 | luiX_ | does anyone know about any "simple" (or not) way to build a .deb package from a java application? (from a .jar, a .class or a .java)? |
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| 15:47.54 | bSON | is there a dpkg developer on this channel? |
| 15:47.57 | mikolin | A free linux shell http://db40r3.ath.cx |
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| 15:48.14 | stew | bSON: no |
| 15:48.14 | twobitwork | bSON: I'm sure there are a few... do you have a specific question? |
| 15:48.20 | stew | twobitwork: who? |
| 15:48.50 | twobitwork | bSON: do you mean someone who develops dpkg, or someone who packages applications for dpkg? |
| 15:49.13 | stew | bSON: i'd recommend just asking your question anyway, i'd guess that whatever you question is either doesn't require an actual dpkg devleoper, or we could help redirect you to the right place |
| 15:49.20 | luiX_ | if there's a packager read my question loudly! |
| 15:49.21 | luiX_ | xD |
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| 15:49.28 | hellues | hey |
| 15:49.31 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 15:49.38 | hellues | i have acer aspire 5720g laptop |
| 15:49.48 | hellues | my computer temprature iss 65 |
| 15:49.53 | stew | luiX_: no, there isn't an easy way |
| 15:50.03 | hellues | i am using debian is there a way to adjust fan speed |
| 15:50.11 | hellues | debian have a program ? |
| 15:50.17 | stew | luiX_: i'd recommend just looking at the source to some other java application and read the debian java packaging mini-policy |
| 15:50.24 | nvz | hellues: look in /proc/acpi for fan ctls |
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| 15:50.39 | bSON | i'm trying to implement the draft of a package-system-independent installation API that was roughly sketched by an LSB workgroup, the "berlin packaging API" (http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Berlin_Packaging_API), as a proof-of-concept |
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| 15:51.08 | luiX_ | stew, sounds boring.... xD |
| 15:51.10 | bSON | therefore if there is someone that i can ask about some of dpkg's internal specifics |
| 15:51.30 | chops | bSON: "There are too many standards. I know! I'll make a new one which will supersede all the others! Then there will only be ONE standard!" |
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| 15:52.04 | twobitwork | chops: proof-of-concepts need not be useful or practical |
| 15:52.10 | hellues | m |
| 15:52.19 | hellues | i wonna increase my fan speed |
| 15:52.24 | twobitwork | they're usually just ways for professors with nothing better to do so they can continue justifying their tenure |
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| 15:52.26 | hellues | to cool my computer |
| 15:52.30 | hellues | is there a way |
| 15:52.33 | bSON | chops: i suggest you to read the mailing list article linked to from that page |
| 15:52.35 | diesel | I have seen on the web the option --force-architecture to dpkg, but this is not in the man page. So what is the correct syntax to dpkg to force a 32 bit install on a 64 bit system |
| 15:52.37 | twobitwork | (no offense bSON, I'm not saying you're necessarily that way :) |
| 15:52.40 | chops | twobitwork: I don't actually know anything about the effort; for all I know it might be a great idea. I was just offering my knee-jerk reaction. |
| 15:52.40 | stew | hellues: look in /proc/acpi/fan |
| 15:52.58 | hellues | there is nothing in /proc/acpi/fan |
| 15:53.05 | bSON | twobitwork: it's ok ;) |
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| 15:53.22 | hellues | nothing to look |
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| 15:53.36 | hellues | no files no directories in /proc/acpi/fan |
| 15:53.37 | bSON | i just thought that the best way to get further here is to do an implementation |
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| 15:53.42 | bSON | instead of just talking |
| 15:53.54 | rgr_d_dev | embedded flash video keeps crashing iceweasel every 2 videos. Any ideas? |
| 15:53.58 | twobitwork | bSON: nah... you just need more meetings :) |
| 15:54.00 | stew | bSON: i'd suggest writing http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel or http://lists.debian.org/debian-project |
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| 15:54.24 | bSON | stew: ok, thanks |
| 15:54.33 | hellues | any help ? |
| 15:54.44 | bSON | twobitwork: hehe :) |
| 15:55.14 | stew | bSON: actually there is http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg ; you should search those lists first to see if this has already been brought up |
| 15:55.37 | bSON | stew: thanks, I'll have a look |
| 15:55.50 | helo | rgr_d_dev: iceweasel usually freezes up on me sporadically whenever i close a tab/window with a flash app |
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| 15:56.11 | stew | bSON: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg243206.html |
| 15:56.13 | helo | is that what you're getting? |
| 15:56.34 | enouf | hellues: uname -r |
| 15:57.05 | hellues | 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 16:00.07 | enouf | hellues: not sure if debian's kernel is yet impmenting this, but upstream kernel removes/is replacing /proc/acpi - moving to /sys . still an available kernel option when building |
| 16:00.13 | enouf | hellues: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt#L147 |
| 16:00.31 | enouf | implementing* |
| 16:01.11 | hellues | hey cd /sys/power/ |
| 16:01.15 | hellues | is that it ? |
| 16:01.34 | enouf | hellues: perhaps acpi acpid acpi-support pkgs, and or lmsensors/i2c-tools |
| 16:02.02 | enouf | hellues: no idea - but /sys/power seems correct |
| 16:02.39 | hellues | there is disk image_size resume state |
| 16:02.44 | enouf | hellues: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 16:02.55 | hellues | but ii wonna control my fan speed |
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| 16:03.23 | enouf | hellues: that's for suspend, acpi-states, etc |
| 16:03.37 | Azar | finally Debian made it to companies, for the first time I see jobs offered |
| 16:03.39 | enouf | lsmod | grep fan |
| 16:04.00 | abrotman | Azar: you're slow |
| 16:04.22 | Azar | abrotman: hi, yes I allways take my time until I believe things |
| 16:04.28 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:04.40 | Azar | :) |
| 16:04.54 | netcrash | Any sugestion's on how I can build a minimal debian distro to be run has live CD starting specific servers ? |
| 16:05.03 | netcrash | tips , manuals are welcomed |
| 16:05.06 | hellues | enouf, fan 4772 0 |
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| 16:05.51 | o2T7 | netcrash: /msg dpkg debian-live |
| 16:06.09 | netcrash | o2T7: thks |
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| 16:07.39 | enouf | hellues: i don't mess with laptops, and this has no 'fan' info, but general cpufreqd info http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 16:07.59 | Bleupomme | hi, a dist-upgrade wants to remove my php4-mysql, how do I find out the conflicting package? |
| 16:08.49 | stew | Bleupomme: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:08.55 | Bleupomme | stew: sid |
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| 16:09.10 | stew | Bleupomme: php4 has been removed from lenny and sid, switch to php5 |
| 16:09.16 | Dewi | Bleupomme: hmm... sudo aptitude --schedule-only dist-upgrade, to schedule it up, then go into the full screen aptitude to investigate... select php4-mysql again and see what breaks... |
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| 16:09.51 | stew | there should be no php4-mysql to select |
| 16:09.56 | Bleupomme | stew: not an option, it's still in the security repositories and our main application works with it |
| 16:10.03 | stew | Bleupomme: then don't run sid |
| 16:10.07 | Dewi | stew: there will be if it's already installed |
| 16:10.22 | Dewi | but yeah, it's basically not going to be fun |
| 16:10.40 | stew | Bleupomme: you should, however be upgrading your main application to php5 |
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| 16:11.14 | Bleupomme | stew: we know |
| 16:11.31 | Bleupomme | Dewi: thank you |
| 16:11.51 | enouf | hellues: grep ACPI_PROCFS /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 16:13.25 | enouf | hellues: and review for possible info about fan, /proc/acpi, etc http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/acpi/Kconfig |
| 16:13.48 | Dewi | Bleupomme: I've not tried what I said, but hopefully it can be of some use... I wish I could tell you how to just preview a dist-upgrade directly from within the full screen UI |
| 16:15.53 | enouf | apt-get -s ? |
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| 16:17.23 | enouf | (i use it quite often, but IIRC, i haven't tried it on a 900+ pkg dist-upgrade O_0) |
| 16:18.05 | Bleupomme | Dewi: works fine, thank you |
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| 16:20.50 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, the aptitude equivalent was what I recommended |
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| 16:21.47 | enouf | Dewi: i see |
| 16:21.51 | Dewi | aptitude can do everything apt-get can do |
| 16:22.06 | Dewi | I probably use it console more often than full-screen |
| 16:22.08 | stew | Dewi: this is not true |
| 16:22.10 | enouf | except it's non-intuitive to me |
| 16:22.32 | Dewi | stew: I must admit, I don't know this for sure. :) |
| 16:22.36 | Dewi | stew: what's it missing? |
| 16:22.45 | stew | Dewi: at least build-dep, source |
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| 16:23.22 | Dewi | stew: aah. you have revealed how infrequently I build my own stuff |
| 16:23.55 | Dewi | on that note, it's bed time |
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| 16:29.14 | lesouvage | I got a "eth0: Oversized Ethernet frame cce9e1f0 vs cce9eqf0" message and my network is not working properly. Any suggestion of what could cause this problem? It is a fresh debian 2.6.18-6-486 install |
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| 16:32.59 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 16:33.04 | mooper | !beer me |
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| 16:37.37 | kylehjin | All the Debian packages in lenny/sid for ALSA say 1.0.16 which is the latest version of ALSA |
| 16:37.47 | kylehjin | However I run lenny and my driver is version 1.0.15 |
| 16:38.18 | kylehjin | the ALSA utilities and library are version 1.0.16 but the driver is 1.0.15 |
| 16:38.26 | kylehjin | I don't see any updates and am confused |
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| 16:38.57 | stew | kylehjin: aptitude install build-essental module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa |
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| 16:40.38 | linkslice | I've got an old etch install and apt-get -s upgrade shows me a zillion security updates, is there a way to tell what vulns were fixed so I can better determine if they apply to me? This server is pretty core for us and I'd like to not bring it down if I can help it |
| 16:41.10 | stew | linkslice: http://security.debian.org |
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| 16:42.42 | sparr_ | linkslice: there is a tool for showing patch logs for a proposed upgrade. i dont remember what its called |
| 16:42.54 | stew | apt-listchanges |
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| 16:44.09 | stew | linkslice: you might consider subscribing to lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 16:44.12 | epsilon | but if you really have such a huge number of packages with security issues, I'd bite into the bitter lemmon and upgrade it |
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| 16:45.46 | lesouvage | Ping does just work now and then, I checked and change the cables, tried another IP address, reboot the system, load the default biosand some other stuff. Could it be a mobo with failure or should this be a software thing? (the oversized ehternet frames) |
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| 16:51.09 | maqr | what package is s_client in? i can't find it on the package search |
| 16:51.53 | enouf | maqr: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 16:53.46 | jelly | wonders why ssh-vulnkey doesn't report filename and line number of affected keys |
| 16:54.18 | rm | i wondered that too |
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| 16:59.48 | shellito | Hi, Im trying to "ssh user@machine" and getting this "Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer", I got the files "authorized_keys" "id_rsa" "id_rsa.pub" "known_hosts" permissions are 644, the files are empty. (Same thing for "user" account).. can someone help? (I cant connect with ssh to that machine) |
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| 17:01.00 | Deezire | Where is the init that spesifies what serveres are to startup at boot? |
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| 17:02.48 | chops | Deezire: The links in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d specify what services are started at boot and in what order. |
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| 17:06.54 | jelly | shellito: pastebin the output of ssh -vv user@machine? If you're using public key authentication, your key might be blacklisted |
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| 17:07.49 | stew | shellito: id_rsa should NOT be 644, but 600 |
| 17:07.52 | stew | shellito: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 17:09.43 | hellues | nightwish nemo |
| 17:11.13 | pgpkeys | using the iso images on debian.org, which do I need for base, KDE (with kdevelop) and the xine dvd player? CD1 and 2 I know I need, however there are a total of 30 and there's no README on the site to state where the binary installs end and the sources start |
| 17:11.38 | asg | pgpkeys: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 17:11.46 | pgpkeys | thanks |
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| 17:12.20 | linkslice | stew, sparr_ thanks |
| 17:13.02 | shellito | jelly http://pastebin.ca/1023984 |
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| 17:14.14 | loca| | hello all |
| 17:14.32 | loca| | is it possible to configure software raid from the debian installer ? |
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| 17:15.19 | rokra | hello |
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| 17:16.10 | rokra | is someone has a tips to do a "ls" in a big folder with more than 100000 files? I have to wait 10 min to get a results. Is there other solution using find or ...? |
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| 17:16.31 | shellito | jelly, stew.. I uninstalled ssh "aptitude remove --purge ssh" and "dpkg --purge ssh" then install again.. It didn't work. |
| 17:16.36 | jelly | shellito: huh, your local ssh client doesn't look like openssh. Which ssh client are you using? |
| 17:16.37 | keith4 | rokra: what good is 'ls' in a folder of 100,000 items? |
| 17:17.10 | rm | rokra, do you output it to a terminal? |
| 17:17.12 | jelly | rokra: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 17:17.29 | rokra | rm: yes |
| 17:17.31 | rm | output speed might be limiting, try sending it to a file ( ls > file.txt ) |
| 17:17.43 | rm | and check if that's faster |
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| 17:18.43 | jelly | shellito: is the client a debian machine? |
| 17:18.50 | rokra | jelly: I have a ssh connections to a box , and I have a folder with the backup of my logs firewall since 1 year. I want to ls -altr the folder to list the last file backuped |
| 17:18.57 | shellito | jelly yes.. |
| 17:19.11 | jelly | shellito: dpkg -S `which ssh` |
| 17:19.21 | rm | rokra, you can use tail |
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| 17:19.26 | rm | err... |
| 17:19.28 | rm | !tail |
| 17:19.28 | dpkg | tail is, like, a program that displays the last lines of a specified file |
| 17:19.29 | rm | ? |
| 17:19.32 | rm | yeah |
| 17:19.35 | rm | that's it :) |
| 17:19.39 | frieder | hi |
| 17:19.59 | jelly | rokra: so do what rm said, redirect the output to a file and wait for ls to finish |
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| 17:20.09 | shellito | jelly Im reinstalling everything.. :S (server, client ssh) |
| 17:20.29 | frieder | is there a way so send my sound to stdin with a pipe or something else? |
| 17:20.29 | rokra | jelly: rm okok I m looking for |
| 17:20.32 | stew | rokra: ls -t | head -1 |
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| 17:20.54 | rm | !sox |
| 17:20.54 | dpkg | from memory, sox is imagemagick for audio |
| 17:21.10 | jelly | a directory with 100k files will act very slow on an ext2 or ext3fs without dir_index option |
| 17:21.48 | frieder | rm: th |
| 17:21.48 | frieder | x |
| 17:21.49 | shellito | jelly, I now.. is not elegant at all. |
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| 17:24.43 | jelly | shellito: if you're asking someone else to help you, trying stuff around while askng for support isn't that smart... the initial description of your problem might not match the present state |
| 17:24.58 | jelly | shellito: at least you told us you're reinstalling everything |
| 17:25.19 | shellito | jelly, you right.. Im sorry. |
| 17:26.28 | vinc456 | i get the following error when i'm emptying my trash bin |
| 17:26.32 | vinc456 | "cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder" |
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| 17:27.01 | vinc456 | i tried to empty the .trash directory with root but none of the files show up |
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| 17:27.53 | vinc456 | i'm using gnome for my desktop |
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| 17:28.14 | crweb | thank you debian for keeping stuff simple and clean. |
| 17:28.31 | crweb | i dunno where ubuntu went wrong, but its good to have my Core 2 Duo performance back. |
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| 17:33.13 | crweb | how do i remove ALL of the gnome packages installed default during isntallation? |
| 17:33.57 | dcnoye | what does "{u}" mean ? i saw this beside a package upon post aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 17:36.46 | somethingwicked | Hello everyone. I have a newbie question, but i still don't seem to find an answer. How to launch a second X-server? I need it for running wine apps, because they seem to lose keyboard without it and so become unusable. |
| 17:36.49 | drwahl | is there a list somewhere that details the distrobutions using the faulty version of OpenSSL? |
| 17:36.55 | stew | crweb: try "aptitude remove gnome" ; if that doesn't do it, try /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 17:37.12 | stew | somethingwicked: startx -- :1 |
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| 17:37.30 | stew | drwahl: i believe it means the package was marked as automatically installe |
| 17:37.32 | prahal | somethingwicked, startx -- :1 (or xinit -- :1 for a barebone X server) |
| 17:37.32 | stew | d |
| 17:37.50 | prahal | from the console that is |
| 17:37.59 | drwahl | stew: huh? |
| 17:38.19 | stew | drwahl: what? |
| 17:38.20 | prahal | somethingwicked, though you could give a try to gdmflexiserver |
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| 17:38.49 | drwahl | stew: you said something to me, but it was not at all in response to my question. maybe you meant to say it to someone else? |
| 17:38.50 | prahal | this is a nested X server so you would not really have two Xserver though it is more handy |
| 17:39.04 | stew | drwahl: oops |
| 17:39.04 | somethingwicked | stew, prahal, thanks. I think I need a barebone one, cause in XFCE or Gnome (haven't tried with KDE) all letters printed go not to wine app, but to the last active native app. |
| 17:39.23 | stew | dcnoye: i believe it means the package was marked as automatically installed |
| 17:39.54 | crweb | stew: both things just removed a few files. |
| 17:39.59 | dcnoye | stew thanks |
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| 17:40.14 | dcnoye | what about {a} ? |
| 17:40.19 | stew | dcnoye: same thing |
| 17:40.30 | prahal | somethingwicked, ouch pretty severe bug which version of wine are you running ? cause wine is supposed to release 1.0 next month, would be a good thing if it was not with sid version :-/ |
| 17:40.46 | dcnoye | hmmm. odd what is the difference then ? |
| 17:40.46 | stew | dcnoye: but i think one is for packages being auto-installed and the other for auto-installed packages that are being upraded (or removed?)? |
| 17:40.55 | stew | crweb: what do you mean by 'both' 'aptitude remove gnome was one, what was the other/ |
| 17:41.05 | crweb | the /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 17:41.15 | stew | crweb: what exact command did you use? |
| 17:41.37 | dcnoye | stew that explains a lot, thanks again |
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| 17:41.55 | crweb | aptitude remove gnome, 2nd try aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome32-common |
| 17:42.29 | hark | dcnoye: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/aptitude-0.4.10-released/ |
| 17:42.51 | somethingwicked | prahal, i've already encountered this bug on this PC with Ubuntu 7.10 (wine 0.9.46), Ubuntu 8.04 (wine 0.9.61) and Debian Lenny (wine 1.0rc1). |
| 17:43.03 | dcnoye | hark how did you find that ? |
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| 17:44.09 | stew | crweb: try "aptitude remove libgnome2-0" |
| 17:44.23 | dcnoye | {a} indicates that a package was automatically installed or removed, and {u} indicates that a package is being removed because it is unused. |
| 17:44.38 | hark | dcnoye: pdo |
| 17:44.48 | dcnoye | pdo ? |
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| 17:45.08 | dcnoye | what does that mean ? |
| 17:45.20 | crweb | stew: still leaves a lot of stuff unresolved like: gnome-media-common, and gnome-panel-data |
| 17:45.27 | o2T7 | dcnoye: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 17:45.52 | dcnoye | dpkg: pdo |
| 17:45.52 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:46.07 | stew | crweb: you could also try 'tasksel remove desktop' |
| 17:46.25 | stoned | rahul, ping |
| 17:46.46 | somethingwicked | has gone away for at least half an hour, if you have an idea, please write me, I'll answer later. |
| 17:46.51 | hark | dcnoye: the last link :) |
| 17:46.56 | prahal | somethingwicked, gasp ... well if you have time please try the upstream deb packages and try to talk to #winehq on freenode ... never encountered this issue before . I guess #winehq people will be intereseted and they will be able to decipher the root cause . If you are hit by a bug good chance are that a good percentage of linux users are too (even if it ends up behing a local bug or too old config issue) |
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| 17:47.04 | dcnoye | :D |
| 17:47.11 | crweb | i think i'm just going to reinstall with no gui and hand install kde |
| 17:47.20 | debian | I need java 1.6 in etch, possible? |
| 17:47.27 | crazyfrog | i want to install x-server (only server no client),what package should i install? |
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| 17:47.55 | stew | debian: yes, backports.org provides one for etch: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:48.03 | crweb | stew: that removed kde ;) |
| 17:48.26 | stew | crweb: yes, it should be the same as starting over with no gui |
| 17:48.35 | crweb | stew: excellent. thanks |
| 17:48.53 | stew | crweb: you should then be able to "aptitude install xorg kde" |
| 17:48.58 | debian | stew: The one from java.com is no good? |
| 17:49.08 | prahal | crazyfrog, xserver-xorg |
| 17:49.18 | crweb | stew: great, thanks very much. Guess if I don't come back i ran into issues. :) |
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| 17:50.52 | stew | debian: its fine, but it would be better the use the packages made by a debian develper since it would put files in the correct places, the package manager would know that a java2 runtime is installed, and the alternatives system would be updated |
| 17:51.33 | stew | crazyfrog: you'd need other packages like a video card driver, keyboard driver, maybe a mouse driver, and xbase-fonts. its probably easier to just install the "xorg" package |
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| 17:52.05 | debian | stew: Ok, I just need java real fast, so I will try the java.com java |
| 17:52.23 | stew | debian: i would not recommend that |
| 17:52.34 | prahal | hum xserver-xorg does includes drivers, xkb-data and such (not the -core package but xserver-xorg) |
| 17:52.58 | debian | Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM. |
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| 17:53.12 | debian | stew: Is that the kind of problem I would run into? |
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| 17:54.15 | stew | debian: you are less likely to run into problems with applications not being able to find java if you use debian packages, but i'm not familiar with that particular problem |
| 17:54.43 | debian | Your keyword was too generic. |
| 17:54.57 | stew | what? |
| 17:55.10 | debian | My keyword was too generic... |
| 17:55.15 | stew | what keyword? |
| 17:55.22 | debian | stew: Thats what backports says |
| 17:55.33 | stew | debian: what are you talking about? |
| 17:55.33 | debian | I searched java runtime |
| 17:55.50 | stew | debian: the package you want is sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-jdk |
| 17:55.58 | crweb | i think the fastest way to get java is to enable non-free and sun-java6-jdk |
| 17:56.51 | prahal | debian, you should give a try to java-package (and if it too old in etch maybe there is a backport available) |
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| 17:57.10 | debian | Ok I took the first one, is that one best stew? |
| 17:57.26 | stew | debian: do you need to compile java? or just run it? |
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| 17:57.33 | debian | Run it |
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| 17:57.39 | prahal | debian, jre is only to run java application , jdk is if you need to compile |
| 17:57.40 | stew | debian: then yes, you only need -jre |
| 17:57.41 | tiveron | hey there! |
| 17:57.53 | debian | OI only want to run Woopra |
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| 17:58.13 | hetOrakel | hi, i get errors during upgrade like mv: cannot move `/etc/samba/smb.conf' to `/ETC/SAMBA/SMB.CONF': No such file or directory |
| 17:58.27 | hetOrakel | what is causing this uppercase paths? |
| 17:58.32 | stew | hetOrakel: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:59.20 | debian | Oh no, it is a deb file. |
| 17:59.27 | mooper | If I am nohup foo & and foo exits with a Signal 1. Is nohup to blame? |
| 17:59.35 | stew | debian: what is a deb file? |
| 17:59.44 | debian | the java thing |
| 17:59.55 | stew | debian: sun-java6-jre? |
| 17:59.58 | debian | They are soo difficult to install. |
| 17:59.59 | debian | Yes |
| 18:00.04 | debian | I like .bin betther |
| 18:00.09 | debian | or .sh |
| 18:00.09 | hetOrakel | stew: i ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 18:00.24 | stew | debian: youd install it by running "aptitude install sun-java6-jre" after enabling the backports repository |
| 18:00.41 | stew | hetOrakel: show us the output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:00.47 | debian | stew: Cant I just download the file? |
| 18:00.52 | stew | debian: you can do whataever you want |
| 18:00.59 | debian | And then do some cryptic command to install it? |
| 18:01.16 | vinc456 | debian: many tutorials on google will walk you through how to install java |
| 18:01.18 | stew | debian: dpkg -i sun-java6-jre && aptitude -f install |
| 18:01.19 | hetOrakel | stew: i don't know how. where should i paste my output? |
| 18:01.30 | stew | dpkg: tell hetOrakel about pastebin |
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| 18:01.54 | stew | vinc456: and most of them would be worse than the advice he is getting here |
| 18:02.31 | stew | dpkg: err, it would be "dpkg -i sun-java6-jre_*.deb" followed by "aptitude -f install" or some such |
| 18:02.31 | dpkg | stew: You are moron #22 |
| 18:02.36 | stew | debian: ^^^ |
| 18:02.52 | debian | stew: Thats why I like asking you guys, you really know what you are talking about. Thanks for the help |
| 18:04.50 | hetOrakel | stew: http://rafb.net/p/VITrzO24.html |
| 18:05.06 | debian | I need to download sun-java6-bin first. |
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| 18:05.45 | Glanzmann | Hello; How can I list the changelog of a debian package? |
| 18:06.08 | asg | Glanzmann: zless /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 18:06.36 | Glanzmann | asg: Isn't there a oneliner. |
| 18:06.44 | asg | Glanzmann: that was a one-liner |
| 18:06.53 | asg | Glanzmann: /msg dpkg changelog for other options |
| 18:07.13 | Glanzmann | That looks good. |
| 18:07.22 | stew | hetOrakel: i'd recommend checking the bts for samba-common. you could get more information on why it is failing by looking at the commands being run by running "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst configure 1:3.0.28a-3" |
| 18:07.29 | Glanzmann | But after asking that question, I realized that I already installed that package. |
| 18:07.56 | hetOrakel | stew: i have the same error with the nfs-common |
| 18:07.57 | dustybin | is debian lenny still scheduled for release this year? |
| 18:08.08 | stew | hetOrakel: what filesystem is /var ? |
| 18:08.18 | stew | oh, it happens with /etc too |
| 18:08.25 | hetOrakel | stew as far as i know ext3 |
| 18:08.43 | stew | hetOrakel: it could be a debconf bug because of the perl transition so check the bts for debconf too |
| 18:08.44 | googlah | dustybin: is lenny even scheduled? |
| 18:08.58 | peleg | how can I upload files via ssh? |
| 18:09.03 | asg | dustybin: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 18:09.16 | asg | peleg: scp(1) |
| 18:09.21 | hetOrakel | sorry, but what is bts? |
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| 18:09.33 | asg | hetOrakel: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:09.40 | stew | dustybin: its still a goal, but things aren't 'scheduled' lenny will release as soon as it has no known release-critical bugs |
| 18:09.43 | peleg | asg: thanks! |
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| 18:09.51 | dustybin | i remember the excitment before etch was released, now i can feel the lenny excitment :P |
| 18:09.54 | apt_get | Hi |
| 18:09.59 | Glanzmann | hernan_martinez: bug tracking system |
| 18:10.07 | Glanzmann | A new technology introduced in the 80s. |
| 18:10.17 | Glanzmann | apt-get hello |
| 18:10.22 | apt_get | how can I find this file in debian? its a package? /usr/share/hwdata/pcitable |
| 18:10.24 | rjent | Where do I edit so gdm will show the system load from a chooser server? |
| 18:10.30 | hernan_martinez | exit |
| 18:10.32 | stew | apt_get: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:10.32 | asg | dustybin: at least you weren't here to witness the embarrassing excitement about woody |
| 18:10.39 | Glanzmann | apt_get: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search /usr/share/hwdata/pcitable |
| 18:10.42 | dustybin | nope i missed that |
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| 18:11.02 | stew | it lasted for years |
| 18:11.19 | asg | and allowed for lots of fun childish factoids |
| 18:11.21 | dustybin | has it been technically proven that APT is better than RPM? |
| 18:11.25 | Glanzmann | apt_get: But there is no package containing that file but: kde-guidance: usr/share/apps/guidance/pcitable |
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| 18:12.48 | asg | dustybin: a better comparison would be dpkg vs rpm |
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| 18:12.58 | dustybin | yep thats what i mean |
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| 18:13.27 | asg | dustybin: it's another holy war but last I heard, RPM had some technically superior features. |
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| 18:14.05 | apt_get | ok |
| 18:14.12 | hetOrakel | stew: http://rafb.net/p/hLRatm55.html |
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| 18:14.28 | crweb | stew: excellent. thansk so much |
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| 18:15.02 | apt_get | with aptitude i can do the same as 'apt-file' ? |
| 18:15.15 | Glanzmann | apt_get: No idea. |
| 18:15.17 | enouf | rjent: for kdm, i have /etc/kde3/kdm/Xaccess , see if similar exists for gdm |
| 18:15.27 | stew | apt_get: no |
| 18:15.30 | apt_get | ok |
| 18:15.48 | rjent | enouf: ok thanks |
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| 18:16.43 | crweb | stew: still a lot of gnome+debian stuff still exists like the system monitor and stuff |
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| 18:18.01 | stew | crweb: if you don't want it, remove it. you could probably remove all gnome stuff with "aptitude remove '~sgnome'" |
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| 18:19.00 | dcnoye | how do you do a non interactive install ? |
| 18:19.18 | enouf | !preseed |
| 18:19.18 | dpkg | somebody said preseed was a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 18:19.35 | hetOrakel | sorry guys i'm stuck can someone have a look at http://rafb.net/p/hLRatm55.html |
| 18:20.07 | dcnoye | enouf: i don't think that preseed is what i am looking for, |
| 18:20.43 | enouf | dcnoye: hrm, also see the installation guide, do; "/msg dpkg ig" |
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| 18:21.54 | enouf | heh, /msg dpkg unattended -> [dpkg] I give up, what is it? |
| 18:22.21 | asg | enouf: an unattended answer |
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| 18:23.13 | enouf | it's an micropoop word anyway :-p |
| 18:23.24 | enouf | s/an/a |
| 18:23.25 | rjent | enouf: I would use kdm but it was not operating correctly when I built the images I am using and gdm was on lenny |
| 18:23.38 | stew | hetOrakel: looks like a debconf problem. did you check the bts for debconf? |
| 18:23.44 | stew | hetOrakel: what version of debconf is installed? |
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| 18:24.00 | stew | hetOrakel: and what version of perl? |
| 18:24.42 | hetOrakel | perl v5.10 (just updated from 5.8, and there this problem already existed) |
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| 18:24.55 | o2T7 | I've reinstalled openssh-server, it is version 1:4.7p1-9. It generates RSA and DSA keys correctly, but when I run `ssh-keygen -a` I get two entries: "Not blacklisted: 00:00:...... /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key" For rsa and for dsa |
| 18:25.01 | dcnoye | enouf: not getting anywhere with that info |
| 18:25.04 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 18:25.08 | o2T7 | ssh-vulnkey -a |
| 18:25.26 | hetOrakel | debconf 1.5.21 |
| 18:25.38 | enouf | rjent: find /etc -name "Xaccess" |
| 18:26.12 | enouf | dcnoye: i don't know then - i thought preseeding is what you want |
| 18:26.25 | hetOrakel | stew: debconf 1.5.21 / perl 5.10 |
| 18:27.14 | dcnoye | i was looking to do something like this: env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install emacs screen sysstat make gcc libc6-dev |
| 18:27.16 | enouf | dcnoye: "Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. This makes it possible to fully automate most types of installation and even offers some features not available during normal installations." |
| 18:27.57 | o2T7 | Does ssh-vulnkey's "Not blacklisted" output mean that the keys are supposed to be strong? |
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| 18:28.27 | davam | how do you get d-i pkgsel/include to grab packages off of a repository? |
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| 18:33.06 | rahul | o2T7: no |
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| 18:33.16 | rahul | o2T7: it means that they're not known to be weak |
| 18:33.32 | stew | hetOrakel: did you check the bts? |
| 18:33.48 | rahul | o2T7: but if you're generating with the new ssh packages, they _should_ be fine |
| 18:33.58 | rahul | well, as fine as predictable seeding will get you |
| 18:33.58 | stew | (ssl) |
| 18:34.22 | rahul | (yeah, ssl is the important part) |
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| 18:34.39 | davam | I want to be able to tell the installer to install mercurial after setting up "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ubuntu-desktop" |
| 18:34.59 | davam | but I do not want to have to package the deb with the disc, I would just like to tell it to get it off of a repo |
| 18:35.09 | hetOrakel | yes, cannot find something simmilar, maybe i don't look in the right place |
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| 18:36.40 | deadcat_ | how do i paste in links2? links2 -g |
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| 18:37.01 | ozy` | hey guys, anyone well-versed in über-old machines and console video? |
| 18:37.02 | stew | deadcat_: button 2 click? |
| 18:37.11 | deadcat_ | stew: doesnt work for me |
| 18:37.40 | o2T7 | rahul: ok thanks. |
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| 18:38.14 | stew | deadcat_: the manpage says ^V |
| 18:38.32 | deadcat_ | stew: let me give that a try |
| 18:38.57 | deadcat_ | stew: thanks.. dammit. (= i looko like a fool |
| 18:39.04 | chops | !tell ozy`about anyone |
| 18:39.39 | ozy` | chops: lemme guess, is this a "just ask your damn question" kind of thing? :p |
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| 18:39.59 | deadcat_ | ozy`: pretty much. |
| 18:40.18 | ozy` | well in that case... |
| 18:40.45 | ozy` | I'm running 2.6 on an oldworld PPC mac, and it's mostly working great so long as I don't try to compile anything |
| 18:41.04 | ozy` | but there's this weird shimmering effect in certain columns of the console display |
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| 18:42.25 | ozy` | I've tinkered a little with the video= kernel argument... tried video=ofonly, video=atyfb, and video=atyfb:mode:16 |
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| 18:43.17 | ozy` | the first doesn't show this effect, but also displays about twice as many rows and columns as I would like |
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| 18:43.45 | ozy` | the second has the shimmer to the extent that some columns are unreadable |
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| 18:43.52 | xingu | ozy`: it's probably just your eyesight going |
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| 18:43.59 | ozy` | the third has a reduced shimmer |
| 18:44.02 | asg | or the mushrooms |
| 18:44.21 | ozy` | xingu: right, which is why I only see this on this particular machine |
| 18:44.36 | ozy` | makes perfect sense, I'll run down to the optometrist ;) |
| 18:45.36 | ozy` | seriously though, I'd like to know if it's possible to use video=ofonly with a smaller console size |
| 18:46.24 | hetOrakel | stew: i can't find anything that looks the same problem |
| 18:46.25 | asg | ozy`: you might try the #debianppc channel for specifics to older ppc stuff |
| 18:46.31 | ozy` | I'm basically using this machine as a typewriter, and I would like the text to fill the screen without stretching to much more than 70 columns (ie. unreadable) |
| 18:46.35 | hetOrakel | i also re-installed debconf |
| 18:46.36 | ozy` | asg: awesome, thank you |
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| 18:49.10 | stew | hetOrakel: file a bug against debconf |
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| 18:50.01 | ANTISUPPORT | Íàðîä, òóò êòî-íèáóäü ñ reactos èìåë äåëî? |
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| 18:54.50 | asg | ANTISUPPORT: Nyet, /join #reactos |
| 18:54.58 | stew | ANTISUPPORT: "/join #debian-russian" if you want to speak russion |
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| 19:02.31 | crazyfrog | my debian used grub for loader programme, i just installed lilo package and run liloconf and lilo command,then my computer can not reboot now |
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| 19:02.39 | hetOrakel | stew: so, my first bug filed! |
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| 19:03.17 | crazyfrog | when i run liloconf,it says there is no /etc/lilo.conf file |
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| 19:05.23 | chops | crazyfrog: You can fix lilo, or reinstall grub... I would recommend moving back to grub. Why did you move to lilo? |
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| 19:06.03 | somethingwicked | finally back... |
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| 19:06.30 | peleg | what is the method to look which package has a specific command? |
| 19:06.43 | asg | peleg: dpkg -S or apt-file |
| 19:06.48 | peleg | thanks! |
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| 19:07.14 | crazyfrog | chops:i want to take LPI certification ,it test lilo contents ,so i want to learn lilo |
| 19:07.25 | peleg | asg: I want to search among packages I don't have |
| 19:07.42 | hetOrakel | stew: thank you very much so far. now i have to reboot into m$win to do some stupid firmware upgrade :( for which there is only some ms prog available |
| 19:07.48 | somethingwicked | So, to start a barebone X-server for running wine programs in it, I shold type xinit -- :1 ? |
| 19:07.59 | peleg | I am trying to find out which package has the command "cc" |
| 19:08.05 | chops | crazyfrog: Makes sense. In that case, you'll need to have a lilo.conf... I thought lilo was supposed to just work (TM) out-of-box on Debian... |
| 19:08.10 | chops | peleg: Install build-essential |
| 19:08.20 | peleg | chops: cool, thanks! |
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| 19:09.13 | chops | peleg: np |
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| 19:10.39 | legis | Can I specify a desktop enviroment during install using the netinstall media of lenny? |
| 19:10.47 | Bushmills | no better way to learn about things than by fixing them :) |
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| 19:11.04 | crazyfrog | chops:i just checked the manual of liloconfig ,it should auto create the file /etc/lilo.conf,but it did not |
| 19:11.17 | chops | crazyfrog: Why not? |
| 19:11.39 | crazyfrog | i did not know |
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| 19:13.18 | danners | hey on a new install of debian testing my computer hangs at the login with single user login i can login but when i start gdm it starts and loads a blue screen but hangs then how can i fix it? |
| 19:14.17 | hark | legis: which DE do you want to install? |
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| 19:14.50 | Bushmills | danners: do you ask for single user, or does the computer get you there by itself? |
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| 19:15.04 | xingu | wonders if shuttle are going to build a p45 or x48 based unit any time before hell freezes over |
| 19:15.09 | danners | Bushmills: i ask for it in grub |
| 19:15.28 | Bushmills | danners: does X, or gdm start, when it boots normally? |
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| 19:16.00 | danners | well gdm starts but hangs after loading the background |
| 19:16.15 | legis | hark: xfce |
| 19:16.24 | Bushmills | danners: single user you'd typically use to fix a problem, and then boot into multi user boot. |
| 19:16.32 | hellues | hey |
| 19:16.55 | hellues | does debian have package for gs like mozilla-acroread "mozilla-gs" ghost script |
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| 19:17.11 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 19:17.14 | Bushmills | danners: sounds like you should review your desktop environment, no need to to that in single user mode |
| 19:17.29 | unixSnob | hey I was just wondering if it makes sense to create a swap partition on a CF chip instead of the hard drive - has anyone done this, and noticed a performance gain? |
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| 19:17.46 | SamuraiDio | i want to install gnome (Debian Lenny) but not all apps and games that comes with gnome-desktop-enviroment package, i just want the base desktop enviroment |
| 19:17.53 | SamuraiDio | what package should i install? |
| 19:18.00 | hark | legis: before the installer boots, at the prompt type "install tasks=xfce-desktop". Press F7 or F8 for more info |
| 19:18.40 | hark | SamuraiDio: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 19:18.53 | Bushmills | unixSnob: CF cards are often coming without sector tear management. that makes them relatively unsuitable for swap (they could break quickly) |
| 19:18.54 | legis | hark: ah thanks. |
| 19:19.06 | Bushmills | wear management .. |
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| 19:22.44 | unixSnob | Bushmills: good to know. I know SD chips have wear management, so perhaps that will be practical |
| 19:23.08 | unixSnob | has a pile of unused 1GB SD chips.. figuring swap makes sense |
| 19:23.20 | danners | Bushmills: i'm aware of that but i don't know how to fix gdm.. |
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| 19:24.04 | Bushmills | danners: gdm itself should be fine. stop gdm, try to start X manually. |
| 19:24.30 | xingu | unixSnob: bah, swap never makes sense :) |
| 19:24.51 | enouf | hark: won't he need atleast DVD 1 for that? |
| 19:24.57 | xingu | if it doesn't fit, force it; if it breaks, panic() |
| 19:25.05 | enouf | hark: or the special debian-xfce CD? |
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| 19:26.45 | enouf | hark: cause, IINM, to do say install tasks="standard,kde-desktop" does require more than CD 01 , let alone teh netinstaller |
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| 19:27.28 | hark | enouf: it's a netinst, he'll just download it from the net as usual |
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| 19:28.35 | unixSnob | it's interesting that SD chips have wear management, and CF doesn't. There are also SD/CF adapters out there.. which gives me the idea that a CF device can get wear management by using that adapter |
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| 19:30.13 | enouf | hark: hrm .. ok - and i must have something connection/engrained concerning no net conn. or something |
| 19:30.17 | Bushmills | unixSnob: no the adapter won't. CF is older, and especially older devices are less likely to come with. more recent ones might have. as that works transparently, you don't really know. |
| 19:30.49 | Juventino | guys, the system takes a long time to boot when it comes to eth0 and eth1, how can i make it move faster at that point? i mean when it's loading /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 19:31.56 | unixSnob | Bushmills: but if the SD card has wear management, then that wear management is still in play when it's inserted in a CF jacket, no? |
| 19:32.17 | Bushmills | unixSnob: yes |
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| 19:32.59 | enouf | hark: aye, guess i misunderstood; http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel |
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| 19:34.41 | unixSnob | Bushmills: I'm actually not going to use the CF adapter.. but was just pondering the possibility. dealextreme has an SD to IDE adapter for $13 USD delivered.. so I'll probably use that to get a good swap parition |
| 19:35.46 | unixSnob | is also considering putting a boot partition on the SD chip, so the boot loader will run quickly |
| 19:37.53 | unixSnob | The CF to IDE is only $3 USD, but the lack of wear resistence caused me to back out of that idea |
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| 19:38.29 | Juventino | guys, how do i allow hotplug for a certain interface? |
| 19:38.42 | Trewas | swap on SD/CF/whatever does not make much sense as normal memory is so cheap... better to get more memory and skip swap altogether |
| 19:39.07 | enouf | Juventino: for IDE drives? hotswap pkg, iirc |
| 19:40.40 | Juventino | enouf for eth0 and eth1 |
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| 19:41.18 | enouf | Juventino: oh, /msg dpkg interfaces ..IINM, it's allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:42.17 | legis | in a lenny box can see the contents of the root home dir as a normal user, is this normal? |
| 19:42.26 | Juventino | thnx enouf |
| 19:42.38 | Bushmills | legis: yes |
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| 19:43.25 | legis | Bushmills: hmm I see. |
| 19:44.04 | Bushmills | legis: was one to download a linux, one would see about the same, right? |
| 19:44.41 | danners | okay in the xserver log it says my savage videocard has not enough videoram for 3d and it says i should try smaller desktop or lower color dept how can i do that with xinit? |
| 19:44.41 | unixSnob | Trewas: from what I understand, it always makes sense to have a swap partition. The kernel should only use it as needed, right? |
| 19:44.44 | Juventino | hmm well allow-hotplug eth1 didn't work.... |
| 19:45.21 | legis | Bushmills: don't understand |
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| 19:45.35 | Bushmills | danners: you'd edit the X config, in /etc/X11 |
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| 19:45.41 | legis | Bushmills: you mean another distro? |
| 19:45.42 | alberto | hi |
| 19:45.42 | enouf | danners: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:45.46 | unixSnob | I agree that it's better to have so much physical memory that swap isn't used, but that's not always a choice |
| 19:45.46 | unixSnob | (eg, I'm running very old hardware past its useful life, and old memory actually costs more than current memory - particularly on motherboards that insist on parity memory) |
| 19:46.04 | Bushmills | legis: there are no secrets in a root dir of a system which can be freely obtained. |
| 19:46.06 | enouf | danners: select 16bit, not 24 or 32 |
| 19:46.54 | Bushmills | legis: why would you want to hide what can be seen elsewhere anyway? |
| 19:47.39 | legis | Bushmills: Ok, I get your point, what if you don't want users watching others users contents? |
| 19:47.49 | Bushmills | legis: you set permissions |
| 19:48.16 | enouf | danners: lenny may have the newer Xorg that does "Automagic configuration", if so, do it by hand manually if drxx doesn't work as expected |
| 19:48.42 | legis | Bushmills: with chmod? |
| 19:48.57 | Bushmills | legis, for example. |
| 19:49.13 | enouf | unixSnob: make your swap RAID 0 :-p |
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| 19:49.26 | legis | kk |
| 19:49.29 | Bushmills | legis, to change the default for home dirs, you'd edit /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 19:50.08 | alberto | I am going to make an article for university and I would like to talk a little with a debian developer. |
| 19:50.10 | enouf | and/or /etc/default/useradd |
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| 19:50.53 | legis | Bushmills: ah nice, thanks. |
| 19:51.11 | enouf | alberto: what about? |
| 19:51.27 | Trewas | unixSnob: maybe with some very old hw that makes sense, but generally if you are planning to buy something to use as swap, just get more memory... using a bit of a harddrive for swap is pretty much free but paying more is a waste |
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| 19:51.42 | unixSnob | enouf: technically that would slow it down. raid striping only benefits harddrives because of the slow access times. solid state memory has fast access times |
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| 19:52.38 | unixSnob | Trewas: I suppose I would agree.. but I happen to have a stash of SD cards. And I'll also benefit from the faster boot - or at least I expect so |
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| 19:53.07 | unixSnob | my machine demands parity memory, and it's the old SDRAM, so it would probably be quite expensive |
| 19:53.10 | Trewas | unixSnob: and note that solid state memory is still extremely slow compared to ram, only megabytes per second compared to gigabytes per second |
| 19:53.14 | enouf | unixSnob: solid state SD and CF cards would suck for swap |
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| 19:55.02 | unixSnob | enouf: how so? Access time is everything w/ swap, no? |
| 19:55.02 | unixSnob | hdds can't compete w/ flash memory access times |
| 19:55.02 | unixSnob | a head movement for every swap seems expensive to me |
| 19:55.08 | enouf | especially on usb 1.1 O_o (and even udma 33) |
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| 19:55.55 | enouf | access times mean squat ... why is the head moving for every swap? |
| 19:56.51 | enouf | so how do you have SD/CF cards attached? |
| 19:56.54 | unixSnob | enouf: the swap space is going to be on a different cylinder than the data, most of the time |
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| 19:58.02 | unixSnob | enouf: my connection is slow right now so I can't give a link.. but go to dealextreme.com and search for SD to IDE and CF to IDE |
| 19:58.33 | unixSnob | there would be no bottleneck on the bus |
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| 19:59.50 | enouf | correct, but the disk cache is swapped into swap space (a previously set aside partition on the HDD, hopefully made as one contiguous block) - it's retreiving from swap. not disk, otherwise you wouldn't need/use swap |
| 19:59.51 | alberto | enouf: about debian and open source in general |
| 19:59.54 | fisxoj | does anyone have experience with the network manager pptp plugin? I set up a profile, but, it's not listed in the VPN menu for me to connect to |
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| 20:00.13 | enouf | unixSnob: you connection would be through the PCI Bus |
| 20:00.27 | hyper__ch | hi, is there some way to rsync over FTP or mount an FTP into the local filesystem and then rsync it? |
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| 20:00.46 | enouf | alberto: well, try lists.debian.org/debian-devel perhaps |
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| 20:01.10 | unixSnob | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1698 <= SD to IDE |
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| 20:01.40 | enouf | correct, so PCI Bus, especially on older SDRAM systems (pc100/133) |
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| 20:02.37 | mrzoom | Hi, I think something is wrong with ehci_hcd on my laptop. I get this from syslog http://rafb.net/p/3ynOxG32.html I thought it could be something wrong with the current installation, but i even get this errors att the begining of the debian installation. |
| 20:02.44 | enouf | unixSnob: set it up and try it, not my bag ... have fun, make me delightfully surprised ;-) |
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| 20:04.30 | enouf | mrzoom: you have an install already? for how long? did everything previously work? |
| 20:04.35 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: supposedly, you can mount ftp. at least, autofs sets an ftp mount up in its commented out examples. never tried to mount ftp though - i run what i can over scp/sftp. |
| 20:05.01 | unixSnob | well the IDE controller sits on the PCI bus, but it's the same for hard drives |
| 20:05.01 | unixSnob | hard drives use the exact same bus |
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| 20:05.09 | enouf | yep |
| 20:05.10 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: well, the host where I rent my ded. box has a backup storage with 50 GB.... |
| 20:05.15 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: but only accessible through ftp |
| 20:05.20 | keith4 | fwiw, i have a handful of systems that run off CF, with no swap |
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| 20:05.45 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: if its a dedicated server, you should be able to add transfer protocolls which make more sense. |
| 20:05.52 | Vapula | hi |
| 20:05.53 | Bushmills | (as in, are more secure) |
| 20:05.54 | enouf | unixSnob: but your PCI Bus is slow and can get saturated, since it's a shared bus was my point |
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| 20:06.04 | alberto | enouf: I need real time, just for now... |
| 20:06.08 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: I have only ftp access to the backup-server that is provided |
| 20:06.09 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: so you have ssh access? |
| 20:06.11 | Vapula | is this the appropriate place to ask questions about debian/armel ? |
| 20:06.34 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: I'd love to setup a cron there and initiate rsync to the backup-server |
| 20:06.34 | Bushmills | ah. ok. provider backup server. |
| 20:06.43 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: yeah, provider backup server |
| 20:06.58 | enouf | alberto: i'm reluctant to tell you about devel channels without you giving me much more info - hit the mailing list - one day isn't going to kill you |
| 20:06.59 | danners | how can i set my xserver to use 24 color depth (i cannot choose it with dpkg-reconfigure and my xorg.conf file is autogeneretad) ? |
| 20:07.03 | hyper__ch | but I'll look at ftp mounting and how that works with rsync :) |
| 20:07.06 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: thx for the help |
| 20:07.29 | enouf | alberto: besides, mailing lists allow for much more detailed responses |
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| 20:07.31 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: then autofs would probably make sense - no need to keep it mounted all the time, and no need to explicitely mount/unmount in your backup script |
| 20:07.43 | dondelelcaro | alberto: what's your question? |
| 20:08.02 | dondelelcaro | alberto: most basic questions are pretty well documented already |
| 20:08.12 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: look in /etc/auto,misc, there is an example how to automount a remote ftp server |
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| 20:08.30 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: yeah, will look at it... didn't know whether it was possible at all... on my lan I use NFS and with my server I use SSHFS from my computer at home |
| 20:08.42 | alberto | I am going to make an article for university and I would like to talk a little with a debian developer. |
| 20:08.50 | enouf | dondelelcaro: all i got was; [15:48:36] <alberto> I am going to make an article for university and I would like to talk a little with a debian developer. |
| 20:08.52 | dondelelcaro | alberto: you just did |
| 20:08.53 | alberto | dondelelcaro: Thats all :) |
| 20:08.54 | enouf | and [15:58:20] <alberto> enouf: about debian and open source in general |
| 20:09.02 | unixSnob | enouf: perhaps, but not what I would expect. I would never think hard drives could keep up with the bus speed |
| 20:09.03 | unixSnob | the pci bus is purely electronic.. the hard drive mechanics would be where I would expect to find a bottleneck |
| 20:09.14 | alberto | dondelelcaro: Need some words from a real person, not a nickname hehe |
| 20:09.22 | dondelelcaro | well, I'm a real person |
| 20:09.31 | alberto | are you debian devel? |
| 20:09.42 | dondelelcaro | alberto: If I wasn't, I wouldn't have said that I was. |
| 20:10.02 | alberto | Ok, join #here please :D |
| 20:10.07 | dondelelcaro | uh... no thanks |
| 20:10.17 | enouf | unixSnob: older systems use only ~udma2, ATA/33 - so there's your bottleneck |
| 20:10.17 | alberto | why? |
| 20:10.25 | mrzoom | enouf: it has worked for over i year.. it suddenly stoped, not just after a reboot. i had made an aptitude full-upgrade after i plugged in the use-drive.. and after some hours the usb-drive just disappeared. |
| 20:10.25 | alberto | I dont want to annoy here |
| 20:10.35 | dondelelcaro | alberto: if you have a question, ask it here. Otherwise, it's not worth my time. |
| 20:10.36 | enouf | unixSnob: RAM would be much much better |
| 20:10.47 | dondelelcaro | alberto: most basic questions anyone here can answer |
| 20:10.50 | vinc456 | i'm trying to move my files (particularly the configuration) from my old server to this new one. Are there any tools that can help? |
| 20:11.02 | enouf | unixSnob: as a matter of fact, i found some new and cheap recently, want a URL? it's pc100/133 |
| 20:11.06 | danners | okay when i start x with X instead of xinit it works... what's the difference? |
| 20:11.10 | alberto | Well, dondelelcaro I am going to make an article, I need to make more than one question, and not about debian, yes about you, open source, freesoftware proyects, debian, gnu, gpl, etc |
| 20:11.21 | alberto | I dont want answeres |
| 20:11.36 | enouf | unixSnob: http://www.upgrade-solution.com/productlist.cfm?Subcategory=SDRAM |
| 20:11.40 | alberto | I want words that I'll atribute to a real name in the article, that will be published in a real media |
| 20:11.43 | alberto | ... |
| 20:11.49 | alberto | My english is very bad... :S |
| 20:12.02 | unixSnob | enouf: thanks I'll check it out |
| 20:12.08 | dondelelcaro | alberto: what in particular about? Most everything is documented extensively, and answering basic questions is pretty much a waste of every dveloper's time |
| 20:12.19 | alberto | dondelelcaro: is for an ARTICLE! |
| 20:12.19 | unixSnob | enouf: but it must be parity.. my motherboard requires ECC |
| 20:12.20 | alberto | :) |
| 20:12.20 | streuner | aberto: why dondelelcaro, there are about 1000 Debian Developers? |
| 20:12.30 | stew | alberto: why don't you just ask your question? |
| 20:12.32 | alberto | and I need personal sources |
| 20:12.34 | enouf | unixSnob: that's fine |
| 20:12.35 | dondelelcaro | alberto: so? |
| 20:12.42 | keith4 | dondelelcaro: don't you want to be famous? |
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| 20:12.47 | alberto | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for your help xd |
| 20:12.47 | enouf | unixSnob: that's there too - look |
| 20:12.50 | alberto | thats all |
| 20:13.01 | cal | you can kill xorg, can't you? |
| 20:13.08 | dondelelcaro | alberto: you can write articles based on already published information; that's how journalism works. |
| 20:13.18 | alberto | no |
| 20:13.19 | alberto | I cant |
| 20:13.23 | danners | how can i change xinit to start like when i type X ? |
| 20:13.29 | alberto | I need personal sources, is a work that will be evaluated |
| 20:13.29 | keith4 | cal: sure. whynot? |
| 20:13.30 | alberto | :) |
| 20:13.45 | stew | alberto: then why don't you just ask your questions? |
| 20:13.47 | alberto | I dont want to annoy, If you dont want to help, I finished, ok |
| 20:13.58 | alberto | stew: Because I need one to one questions :) |
| 20:14.04 | dondelelcaro | alberto: if it's an assignment, then you should do the preliminary research so you at least know what questions to ask, and who to ask them of. |
| 20:14.10 | alberto | and to attribute text to a person with name and second name |
| 20:14.11 | cal | keith4: my server is dying of slowness... |
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| 20:14.14 | cal | googles |
| 20:14.21 | stew | alberto: and the problem with asking your question is that you might get more than one answer? |
| 20:14.26 | keith4 | cal: why do you have xorg on a server? |
| 20:14.29 | alberto | dondelelcaro: I said I FINISHED, thanks you |
| 20:14.35 | enouf | alberto: you want to "interview" developers? O_o |
| 20:14.46 | alberto | enouf: something like that, yes |
| 20:15.04 | cal | keith4: accident |
| 20:15.05 | streuner | alberto: what kind of media is that? |
| 20:15.08 | alberto | I need some opinions about one developer about open source etc |
| 20:15.13 | dustybin | i run a mail server at home, im going to open up port 143 on my router and let my cellphone speak to my imap server to pick up my mail |
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| 20:15.18 | cal | keith4: when I installed Debian, i left the box for a gui checked |
| 20:15.30 | alberto | streuner: first of all, university evaluation, after, eitb.com urban perdiodism |
| 20:15.33 | alberto | :) |
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| 20:16.05 | streuner | alberto: DD's usually tend to write there op. in ML (mailing-lists), and they are open for everyone |
| 20:16.23 | alberto | streuner: I need personal source, the work -need- that |
| 20:16.35 | alberto | If I use mail, is not personal source |
| 20:16.54 | alberto | ok, no one here want to help, I dont want to annoy, thats all then |
| 20:16.56 | alberto | thanks! :) |
| 20:16.58 | streuner | alberto: well, almost every DD write blogs as well, there are a lot of personal infos too |
| 20:17.01 | Bushmills | dos it have to be signed with blood? |
| 20:17.07 | alberto | I dont want info |
| 20:17.14 | alberto | I am debian user since potato, I have info |
| 20:17.14 | alberto | xD |
| 20:17.17 | simonrvn | Bushmills: no, just piss |
| 20:17.27 | streuner | alberto: so an interview, right? |
| 20:17.41 | alberto | streuner: not at all, but I need personal source info :) |
| 20:17.50 | dondelelcaro | alberto: well, you're going to be hardpressed to find someone who is going to spend time based on what you're asking, so best of luck. |
| 20:17.55 | alberto | I mean, direct opinion from a devel, for example |
| 20:18.25 | alberto | dondelelcaro: never found problems with this :) |
| 20:18.27 | stew | alberto: you are already talking to multiple develolpers, if you want infor mation from them, i'd recommend getting to the part where you actually ask them questions |
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| 20:18.37 | keith4 | ugh. this is tiring |
| 20:18.59 | alberto | well, thanks |
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| 20:20.34 | enouf | Baba WaWa ? :-p |
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| 20:21.01 | streuner | alberto: if you have questions, just ask, many of us are here since years here... |
| 20:21.03 | vinc456 | does dpkg have any information on migrating files from one server to another? basically i would like to clone an old computer and move all my files to my newer one |
| 20:21.18 | danners | how can i change xinit to start like when i type X ? |
| 20:21.21 | enouf | i got plenty of opinions for ya, but i'm not a "devel" :-P |
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| 20:21.27 | streuner | alberto: if you going to need another channel to ask, it would be a insult |
| 20:21.43 | simonrvn | danners: use startx |
| 20:21.55 | keith4 | vinc456: "dump" and "restore" |
| 20:22.14 | danners | simonrvn: with xinit startx and gdm it won't work, with X it does... |
| 20:22.21 | keith4 | uh, what? |
| 20:22.27 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 20:22.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:22.33 | enouf | danners: with a DM installed use a ~/.xsession file |
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| 20:22.42 | enouf | danners: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 20:22.44 | Quibus | hi |
| 20:22.54 | Quibus | Does anyone of you know a UNIX tool that can remove empty lines at the end of a file? |
| 20:23.05 | Quibus | (with some simple one liner) |
| 20:23.05 | kjs_ | Unmet dependencies linux-image-2.6-686 while attempting to install 'sid' via daily netboot installer |
| 20:23.28 | antgel | alberto: if you want to reach a wider developer audience, send an email to the debian-devel mailing list. there are more there than on irc. maybe you'll find someone willing to chat |
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| 20:23.54 | streuner | kjs_: ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) and tell them the exact URL where you downloaded the iso |
| 20:24.08 | kjs_ | streuner thanks |
| 20:24.17 | streuner | kjs_: wait |
| 20:24.30 | enouf | danners: and by xinit startx, you mean a ~/.xinitrc file? otherwise, just type "startx" in the console - but the Xsession info still holds true when you have a DM installed (gdm, kdm, xdm, etc) |
| 20:24.32 | kjs_ | yes |
| 20:24.32 | streuner | kjs_: before, just make sure, you verify the iso itself |
| 20:24.57 | kjs_ | streuner I'm not using an iso, I'm using PXE to netboot |
| 20:25.04 | streuner | oh |
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| 20:25.34 | streuner | ok, forget what i told you before |
| 20:25.34 | kjs_ | and it can't download the kernel, I've tried two different mirrors and a different kernel (486) |
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| 20:25.53 | kjs_ | streuner about #debian-boot? |
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| 20:26.16 | antgel | kjs_: it's sid. what do you expect? |
| 20:26.16 | enouf | kjs_: are you using a very recent installer? |
| 20:26.29 | kjs_ | enouf daily |
| 20:26.46 | kjs_ | antgel good point |
| 20:26.59 | enouf | kjs_: oh, i see, ok, then nm - i was going to point out some changes between the point releases |
| 20:27.18 | kjs_ | antgel I'd still like to know what's up |
| 20:27.45 | kjs_ | enouf what are the point releases? |
| 20:27.48 | antgel | kjs_: have you checked the bts? |
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| 20:28.07 | enouf | kjs_: 4.0r0 , r1, r2, r3 |
| 20:28.35 | enouf | (i hope i used the term "point releases" correctly) |
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| 20:29.47 | kjs_ | antgel sorry, I'm checking there as we speak |
| 20:30.12 | antgel | ccache uses hard links. might this account for why it appears to run incredibly slowly / hang since i migrated to a new hard disk (with cp -ax)? |
| 20:30.23 | antgel | should i just rm -rf ~/.ccache? |
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| 20:30.45 | enouf | kjs_: have you reviewed all pxe/netboot info in the installer guide carefully |
| 20:30.47 | enouf | ? |
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| 20:32.11 | enouf | kjs_: you need certain media (such as an ISO or similar) to be able to use other minimal/base media (hd-media, netboot, etc) |
| 20:32.50 | foobar8 | did the perl update to 5.10 go well in lenny? |
| 20:33.00 | enouf | BTS ;-) |
| 20:33.07 | Eulex | works here (tm) |
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| 20:33.42 | kjs_ | enouf yes and I'm not sure that I have a problem with the PXE part of the install, the installer starts and works fine. It moves on and gets an ip address from my router, gets the base system from a mirror and such |
| 20:34.02 | streuner | foobar8: well, people telling it was pretty painless |
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| 20:34.47 | enouf | kjs_: do you have any other errors you can show us? pastebin |
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| 20:35.21 | foobar8 | thx will give it a try than |
| 20:35.23 | antgel | interesting, i made clean and now it's running great |
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| 20:36.44 | Xapgpok | If i start a barebone x server with xinit -- :1 , how can i load a wine application there? |
| 20:37.07 | antgel | Xapgpok: use startx and .xsession |
| 20:37.14 | sandman | Does anyone know where the startup message "Removing NVIDIA TLS links... done." comes from? |
| 20:37.24 | kjs_ | enouf antgel I think I might have found something on the BTS differring kernel version between the installer and the mirror |
| 20:37.31 | antgel | sandman: grep in /etc/init.d |
| 20:37.37 | antgel | !btssmite kjs_ |
| 20:37.37 | dpkg | beats kjs_ around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if kjs_ is running Unstable |
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| 20:38.17 | sandman | antgel: Thanks. It's coming from /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx |
| 20:39.35 | Xapgpok | antgel, but doesn't startx start a full x server? I need a barebone x server to beat a wine bug. |
| 20:39.57 | stoned | howdy ho |
| 20:39.58 | antgel | Xapgpok: define the difference between full and barebone |
| 20:40.02 | amphi | Xapgpok: you could just run xinit if you want no wm etc. |
| 20:40.11 | sandman | antgel: Okay, the problem arose from the fact that nvidia-glx wasn't purged |
| 20:40.24 | sandman | antgel: It's init.d/nvidia-glx script was still there after uninstallation. |
| 20:40.32 | sandman | And was causing TLS links to be removed @ every boot. |
| 20:41.02 | Xapgpok | antgel, no wm, no autostarted programs. |
| 20:41.13 | antgel | sandman: i don't understand why people don't purge rather than remove by default. leaves a lot of cruft about otherwise |
| 20:41.34 | sandman | antgel: Right. |
| 20:41.37 | sandman | I'll remember that. |
| 20:41.41 | antgel | Xapgpok: and what wm and autostarted programs are going to start if they are not in your xsession |
| 20:41.44 | antgel | ? |
| 20:41.44 | Xapgpok | amphi, and how to start a wine app in such a xserver? |
| 20:41.56 | amphi | Xapgpok: from the handy xterm |
| 20:42.01 | keith4 | you can have xorg and use startx without having a window manager |
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| 20:42.24 | antgel | amphi: don't you think he wants to automate it? |
| 20:42.38 | amphi | antgel: I have no idea |
| 20:42.57 | Xapgpok | so i need to edit the file /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 20:43.05 | antgel | amphi: that's how it looks |
| 20:43.26 | antgel | Xapgpok: no, like i said before, .xsession. read the man page. /msg dpkg xsession |
| 20:43.27 | Xapgpok | i just want to be able to start the second x server and start a wine program in it. |
| 20:43.44 | keith4 | Xapgpok: can't you just throw stuff in .xinitrc? |
| 20:43.51 | amphi | Xapgpok: so try 'xinit -- :1' and try running your thing from the xterm |
| 20:43.55 | kdag | ei, nubee question, how to i change the size of my console font? i tried /etc/console-tools/config but failed any other way? |
| 20:43.58 | antgel | !xinitrc |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | xinitrc is probably just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 20:44.03 | stoned | amphi, pin |
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| 20:44.08 | Bushmills | Xapgpok: start X with an xterm, run from there what you need |
| 20:44.08 | amphi | pon |
| 20:44.16 | fengor | hmm i tried to install mysql-server on an etch box but it fails at the configuration step. daemon.log tells me that it cant bind on tcp ip port. but netstat -a doesnt list the port as in use. |
| 20:44.24 | fengor | can anyone give me a hint where to start looking now |
| 20:44.25 | fengor | ? |
| 20:44.30 | stoned | fengor, change the port |
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| 20:44.40 | stoned | usually it should run on 3106 iirc |
| 20:44.47 | antgel | fengor: lsof -i :3106 |
| 20:44.51 | stoned | if thats already taken, find out who/what is taking it |
| 20:44.54 | stoned | then .... nm |
| 20:45.08 | kshah | is there a way I can recreate my original named.conf and named.conf.local files if I deleted them? |
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| 20:45.23 | sd_ | its 3306 actually |
| 20:45.26 | antgel | fengor: my mistake, caused by stoned ;) 3306 |
| 20:45.32 | Xapgpok | strange, i don't seem to have the file .xsession in my home folder (of couse, hidden files are shown) |
| 20:45.39 | kdag | what file defines the font of the console? |
| 20:45.40 | antgel | !lart stoned |
| 20:45.40 | dpkg | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to stoned, and goes postal |
| 20:45.52 | antgel | Xapgpok: it's a directory, not a folder. so create the file. |
| 20:45.56 | Bushmills | kshah: my preferred way to recreate any deleted file is to copy them from the backup |
| 20:45.56 | fengor | returns nothing antgel |
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| 20:46.22 | Xapgpok | amphi, but if i type it, i just get a grey screen and a cross mouse pointer |
| 20:46.28 | fengor | as far as i can tell port 3306 is not in use |
| 20:46.29 | antgel | fengor: hmm. can you pastebin your my.cnf, and have you checked the bts? is this an up-to-date etch? |
| 20:46.54 | fengor | installed last week and did an update and dist-upgrade this afternoon |
| 20:47.01 | fengor | paste of my.cnf is coming up |
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| 20:47.13 | stoned | don't blame me for your lack of knowledge |
| 20:47.17 | antgel | fengor: check the bts first |
| 20:47.22 | antgel | stoned: *nod* ;) |
| 20:47.24 | stoned | I said 3106 IIRC |
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| 20:47.26 | stoned | !iirc |
| 20:47.26 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 20:47.37 | Xapgpok | OK, and after creation i just have to write "wine myprogram.exe" in this file? |
| 20:47.37 | stoned | obviously I did not recall correctly ;) |
| 20:47.43 | stoned | <-- |
| 20:47.44 | stew | fengor: show us the actual output you get when trying to install it |
| 20:47.45 | antgel | Xapgpok: yep |
| 20:47.50 | stoned | j/k |
| 20:47.52 | antgel | Xapgpok: also man startx |
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| 20:48.02 | antgel | stoned: YDNRC |
| 20:48.11 | stoned | umm |
| 20:48.15 | stoned | abcdefg |
| 20:48.15 | Xapgpok | Thanks. |
| 20:48.16 | stoned | :) |
| 20:48.31 | nvti | hijkmnopeepee |
| 20:48.36 | nvti | i forgot l, i fail |
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| 20:48.55 | antgel | dpkg: YDNRC is You Do Non Recall Correctly |
| 20:48.55 | dpkg | antgel: okay |
| 20:49.00 | antgel | fuck |
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| 20:49.10 | antgel | dpkg: no, YDNRC is You Do Not Recall Correctly |
| 20:49.10 | dpkg | antgel: okay |
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| 20:49.37 | dutchfish | what are my changes on amd64 lenny to get hardware accelaration working for ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 2400 XT? |
| 20:49.46 | stoned | antgel, not past tense? maybe... |
| 20:49.49 | amphi | Xapgpok: perhaps you need to install xterm? I get a term automagically here when I do that |
| 20:49.51 | stoned | you DID not... |
| 20:50.02 | antgel | stoned: meh |
| 20:50.07 | stoned | hehe |
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| 20:51.01 | Xapgpok | amphi, it is already installed |
| 20:51.13 | AloneInTheDark | zyx386 : oh noes, PLEASE stay and SPAM about Linux in ##windows ! we really love spammers. |
| 20:51.17 | AloneInTheDark | moron. |
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| 20:51.49 | zyx386 | what? |
| 20:52.01 | stoned | ...? |
| 20:52.06 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
| 20:52.10 | kshah | does anyone know how to recreate named.conf and named.conf.local, I don't have the originals or a backup, and cant see where to look on the Debian packages site |
| 20:52.15 | fengor | my.cnf: http://pastebin.ca/1024200 output of aptitude install mysql-server: http://pastebin.ca/1024204 |
| 20:52.21 | zyx386 | any one ask about ie browser, and i say use firefox , is that spam :) |
| 20:52.21 | stoned | kshah, sure |
| 20:52.27 | stoned | !tell kshah -about confmiss |
| 20:52.29 | Gnurdux | i run testing, and i recently did an upgrade, which upgraded gnome, and it seems to have raised my memory usage by a lot |
| 20:52.34 | bjarvis | i just did a fresh 40r3 install and apt-get seems to hang on the 'Unpacking' step about a third of the time. SIGKILL'ing it and running it again causes it to succeed. Any idea how I can figure out why it gets stuck? |
| 20:52.39 | stoned | just use that to make a new conf from the package |
| 20:52.47 | kshah | awesome, thanks stoned |
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| 20:52.51 | stoned | sure |
| 20:53.05 | fengor | already tried purging mysql-server and reinstalling it |
| 20:54.03 | stoned | no need |
| 20:54.22 | stoned | thats overkill unless you delete actual binaries or some libs |
| 20:54.29 | stoned | which you shouldn't do anyway |
| 20:54.47 | fengor | hmm ok |
| 20:54.59 | antgel | fengor: where does it say the problem is due to the port being in use? can you paste the log? |
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| 20:55.39 | fengor | antgel: was about to do that http://pastebin.ca/1024208 |
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| 20:56.13 | stoned | what was that bout |
| 20:56.15 | xand | is the xorg.conf "DisplaySize" parameter ignored in lenny's X? :S whatever I set it to, the DPI remains the same :S |
| 20:56.26 | stoned | display size? |
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| 20:56.31 | stoned | i'm not aware of a option like that |
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| 20:56.39 | stew | xand: did you check Xorg.0.log after setting it? |
| 20:56.47 | xand | stoned: "This optional entry gives the width and height, in millimetres, of the picture area of the monitor." |
| 20:56.51 | stoned | xand, try startx -- -dpi XX |
| 20:56.53 | antgel | fengor: i'm sure i remember this bug |
| 20:57.06 | stoned | xand, hmm, never knew about it (/me never needed to change dpi) |
| 20:57.21 | stoned | xand, and if i did, I'd modify xserverrc |
| 20:57.26 | stoned | append a -dpi ;) |
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| 20:58.12 | KU0N | hello |
| 20:58.17 | Eulex | xand, I believe X drivers may be free to ignore it. which are you using? |
| 20:58.18 | stoned | jopla |
| 20:58.21 | stoned | hi |
| 20:59.20 | xand | hmm, "i810" according to xorg.conf... I also notice that it's using 1280x800, but that resolution is not in my xorg.conf o.O |
| 20:59.27 | KU0N | I installed windows on a free partition. How can I install grub back? (I had debian installed before installing windows) |
| 20:59.48 | stoned | !grub reinstall |
| 20:59.48 | xand | (but is correct) |
| 21:00.30 | stoned | !fixmbr |
| 21:00.30 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
| 21:00.37 | KU0N | thanks stoned |
| 21:00.38 | antgel | fengor: ifconfig lo? |
| 21:00.39 | stoned | sure |
| 21:01.29 | fengor | doh... |
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| 21:01.45 | fengor | its not up... wtf? thanks antgel |
| 21:01.56 | stoned | heh |
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| 21:02.02 | antgel | !dbugs 444107 |
| 21:02.05 | dpkg | #444107:I[mysql-server-5.0] mysql-server-5.0: mysql fails to start on clean install; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 06:48:01 UTC |
| 21:02.14 | antgel | !btssmite fengor |
| 21:02.14 | dpkg | beats fengor around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if fengor is running Unstable |
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| 21:02.48 | antgel | fengor: no problem |
| 21:03.29 | fengor | thanks i needed that antgel |
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| 21:05.47 | stew | fengor: that "bug" is not likely to have anything to do with your problem |
| 21:06.58 | stew | fengor: can you try running just "mysqld" as root on the command line and see if it starts and if not, what errors come out? |
| 21:07.58 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:08.05 | fengor | stew the bug was my error. and running mysqld as root on the command line failed. errors from daemon.log were in the last pastebin. now with loopback configured correctly it worked perfectly |
| 21:08.07 | Gnurdux | apache seems to be leaking memory |
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| 21:08.44 | stew | Gnurdux: what makes you say that? |
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| 21:09.40 | Gnurdux | well, first of all 5 copies of apache are running when there are no connections, each using .7% of my memory; when i make a connection, a new copy starts running and doesnt terminate after the connection ends, and it uses 3% of my memory |
| 21:09.50 | Gnurdux | and yet another one starts if i make a new connection |
| 21:10.15 | abrotman | it has a timeout |
| 21:10.24 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 21:10.29 | Gnurdux | how long? |
| 21:10.54 | abrotman | five minutes by default i believe |
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| 21:12.25 | xand | stoned: do you know how to set the DPI with gdm? |
| 21:12.40 | abrotman | isn't that an X issue? |
| 21:12.57 | xand | perhaps, but gdm starts X doesn't it? |
| 21:13.12 | xand | X is ignoring DisplaySize ;\ |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | :G |
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| 21:13.46 | xand | startx -- -dpi 96 works though :| |
| 21:13.54 | xand | I can't see where gdm calls X/startx :S |
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| 21:14.21 | rio | hi, when i run /etc/init.d/aiccu start, it starts 4 processes, can i tune it down to only start one? |
| 21:14.31 | stoned | xand yes |
| 21:14.44 | stoned | xand, look inside /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 21:14.53 | rio | ive got just 32mb of ram ... |
| 21:14.55 | stoned | grep for Xserver maybe |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | the empty file ? |
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| 21:15.28 | xand | empty apart from headings and comments |
| 21:15.28 | stoned | xand, gdm starts X from gdm.conf.. the line in the text above the ServerCmd is ServerCmd |
| 21:15.32 | stoned | er maybe not |
| 21:15.36 | stoned | I can't remember, anyway just look there |
| 21:15.38 | abrotman | xand: right .. that's what i said :) |
| 21:15.44 | abrotman | xand: ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | xand: or #xorg |
| 21:15.50 | xand | stoned: no, the file is empty. |
| 21:15.55 | stoned | hasn't touched gnome since 2.8 |
| 21:15.55 | xand | google is failing me :( |
| 21:16.02 | xand | I don't use gnome, just gdm :| |
| 21:16.07 | stoned | thats where it used to be |
| 21:16.14 | abrotman | not in a long time |
| 21:16.35 | stoned | I don't use garbage software so I wouldn't know |
| 21:16.35 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:16.47 | abrotman | then why pretend you know anything about it? |
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| 21:17.09 | stoned | keep yappin... |
| 21:17.18 | abrotman | pot .. kettle |
| 21:17.43 | topitom | hello is there anyone familiar with dtc admin pannel? |
| 21:17.55 | topitom | I have a problem with user permission |
| 21:18.04 | topitom | on debian etch |
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| 21:19.55 | Akuw | is there any app to break pdf password ? |
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| 21:20.25 | stew | xand: it was something like system->preferences->appearance ? |
| 21:21.00 | xand | stew: well... I don't use gnome, and not sure it even works with all the bitching dpkg gave me after I dist-upgraded to lenny :| |
| 21:21.01 | stew | xand: oh, not gnome, just gdm |
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| 21:21.32 | topitom | I have a ftp user that see different permission than the one I see from shell |
| 21:21.40 | topitom | how is this possible? |
| 21:21.44 | stew | xand: xrandr --dpi N |
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| 21:22.22 | xand | stew: but will that persist? |
| 21:22.26 | stew | xand: shit no |
| 21:22.33 | xand | didn't think so |
| 21:22.35 | abrotman | topitom: your ftpd can dictate permissions |
| 21:22.58 | stew | xand: are there any clues about where it is getting dpi / display size from in the log? |
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| 21:23.20 | abrotman | xand: /msg dpkg dpi .. none of that helps ? |
| 21:23.58 | xand | stew: the only mention of either is: (II) intel(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1280x800 |
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| 21:24.13 | topitom | abrotman, hello, then I'll be able to change them from proftp conf file? |
| 21:24.35 | stew | dpkg: dpi=~s#XF86Config-4#xorg.conf# |
| 21:24.36 | dpkg | stew: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | topitom: perhaps |
| 21:24.43 | stew | dpkg: dpi =~ s#XF86Config-4#xorg.conf# |
| 21:24.44 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 21:24.51 | abrotman | space is important! |
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| 21:26.10 | xand | abrotman: no |
| 21:26.32 | KU0N | s |
| 21:26.33 | xand | abrotman: DisplaySize was the first thign I tried |
| 21:26.44 | abrotman | still votes for asking irc.gnome.org people or #xorg |
| 21:27.09 | stew | i dont' think it has anything to do with gnome |
| 21:27.23 | abrotman | me neither .. but perhaps GDM has a way to control it |
| 21:27.25 | stew | we need an .xrandrrc or something |
| 21:28.22 | topitom | abrotman, thx I'll look into it! |
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| 21:28.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 21:28.56 | stew | now with less chattiness |
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| 21:29.02 | abrotman | apt: wb TimRiker |
| 21:29.07 | abrotman | :( |
| 21:29.14 | stew | ~status |
| 21:29.15 | apt | Since Mon May 19 15:39:05 2008, there have been 19 modifications, 169 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 117 commands. I have been awake for 1d 5h 50m 9s this session, and currently reference 114761 factoids. I'm using about 20404 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2886.78/120.99 child 0/0.01 |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | TimRiker: you've got a chatty bot .. i think he's lonely :) |
| 21:29.49 | stew | thanks abrotman, it should be fixed now |
| 21:29.58 | abrotman | wonders |
| 21:30.14 | stew | thanks abrotman it used to resond whenever someone said 'thanks' |
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| 21:30.17 | streuner | stew: why the +q? |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | stew: but not always |
| 21:30.24 | TimRiker | abrotman: blame troubled. :) it lacks regression tests for all the modes the bot can be in. bug happened yesterday, and was fixed yesterday too. :) |
| 21:30.29 | abrotman | streuner: apt was talking out of turn |
| 21:30.37 | muddd | um, whats this securenetpro-sensor hooyah I have after upgrading my ssh? |
| 21:30.44 | abrotman | throws empty beer cans at troubled |
| 21:31.04 | stew | streuner: she was speaking at times when she hadn't been addressed |
| 21:31.04 | abrotman | xand: if you did a startx .. how would you control the DPI ? |
| 21:31.09 | TimRiker | or blame me for upgrading to trunk without regression testing first. :) |
| 21:31.23 | abrotman | blames trunk |
| 21:31.24 | xand | startx -- -dpi blah |
| 21:31.27 | xand | and that works |
| 21:31.45 | stoned | xand, an idea |
| 21:32.05 | stoned | xand, wait |
| 21:32.07 | streuner | stew: well, keep in mind, apt is since beginning of this channel here... |
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| 21:32.11 | xand | I changed /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc to have this: exec /usr/bin/X11/X -nolisten tcp -dpi 96 |
| 21:32.11 | stoned | xand, you said gdm.conf is empty now? |
| 21:32.14 | xand | but it seems to not work. |
| 21:32.16 | abrotman | xand: i'd guess /etc/X11/Xsession .. |
| 21:32.25 | stoned | xand, it won't, gdm starts X |
| 21:32.27 | xand | stoned: in terms of commands/options yes |
| 21:32.30 | abrotman | xand: the file is used by startx and Display Managers |
| 21:32.52 | stew | streuner: that doens't matter. it was being to chatty and was causing confusion to several newcomers. |
| 21:32.56 | abrotman | xand: and references /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | hrm |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | or not |
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| 21:35.15 | xingu | ... "The cost of transporting 1 tonne of iron ore from Brazil to China is now more than the cost of 1 tonne of iron ore." ... |
| 21:35.41 | muddd | sweet |
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| 21:35.57 | AwesomeGuy | debian just crashed. |
| 21:36.00 | AwesomeGuy | out of nowhere. |
| 21:36.05 | AwesomeGuy | haha. |
| 21:36.19 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: unstable? |
| 21:36.19 | AwesomeGuy | I guess you can't say linux is more stable then windows |
| 21:36.24 | muddd | whats the punchline |
| 21:36.27 | AwesomeGuy | no, it's the stable one |
| 21:36.31 | muddd | cuz i know thats a joke |
| 21:36.33 | xand | AwesomeGuy: that's great evidence |
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| 21:37.06 | AwesomeGuy | Really, for no reason at all it crashed |
| 21:37.15 | abrotman | there's always a reason |
| 21:37.17 | AwesomeGuy | the screen completely frozen |
| 21:37.18 | streuner | there is always a reason |
| 21:37.22 | AwesomeGuy | can't even move the mouse |
| 21:37.25 | streuner | abrotman: hehe |
| 21:37.27 | AwesomeGuy | or alt-tab |
| 21:37.36 | abrotman | can you ssh into the box ? |
| 21:37.40 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: some third party driver? |
| 21:37.47 | AwesomeGuy | what? no |
| 21:37.56 | muddd | check syslog for id-10-t errors? |
| 21:38.00 | abrotman | you know .. ssh |
| 21:38.05 | AwesomeGuy | I was using iceweasel and xchat |
| 21:38.11 | abrotman | you mean .. flash |
| 21:38.11 | AwesomeGuy | having problems loading a page |
| 21:38.23 | AwesomeGuy | there was no flash on the page |
| 21:38.32 | streuner | well, its your own fault, if you loading crappy websites |
| 21:38.47 | AwesomeGuy | I've been to that website a million times before. |
| 21:38.52 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: what kernel? |
| 21:39.00 | AwesomeGuy | and network manager is on with a wireless network |
| 21:39.08 | AwesomeGuy | how do I tell? |
| 21:39.15 | streuner | cat /proc/version |
| 21:39.56 | AwesomeGuy | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 |
| 21:40.21 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 21:40.38 | xand | OH! /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 21:40.39 | xand | c.c |
| 21:40.44 | xand | sneaky. |
| 21:40.49 | AwesomeGuy | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 21:40.52 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: upgrade the kernel, btw |
| 21:40.56 | abrotman | bad place .. something in /etc/ should override that |
| 21:40.58 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know whether someone has published a comprehensive list of where to find ssh keys that will need to be replaced? |
| 21:41.13 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: /msg dpkg security |
| 21:41.14 | AwesomeGuy | how do I update the kernel, and is it really neccesary? |
| 21:41.30 | enouf | xand: oh yeah, that /usr/share/* often gets completely overlooked/forgotten |
| 21:41.40 | enouf | i know i do |
| 21:41.44 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: no, unless you dont want the latest patches (i.e. local exploit) |
| 21:41.45 | vinc456 | kingsley: i think you can use ssh-vulnkey |
| 21:41.50 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: if your stuff works, no |
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| 21:42.01 | AwesomeGuy | there's nobody on my network except me |
| 21:42.11 | streuner | abrotman: that kernel hasn't the latest stuff |
| 21:42.20 | abrotman | so? |
| 21:42.26 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: just do it |
| 21:42.35 | AwesomeGuy | ok how do I update it |
| 21:42.41 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: /msg dpkg security |
| 21:43.02 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: add a security line and upgrade the kernel |
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| 21:43.07 | abrotman | streuner: -6- is the newest for etch |
| 21:43.18 | abrotman | not sure if he has the newest -6- or not |
| 21:43.22 | enouf | vmsplice you mean streuner ? |
| 21:43.26 | AwesomeGuy | I have an update waiting, maybe that's the new kernel |
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| 21:43.32 | streuner | AwesomeGuy> Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 |
| 21:43.48 | abrotman | streuner: that's what he has ? |
| 21:44.02 | streuner | abrotman: according to him? yes |
| 21:44.11 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 etch |
| 21:44.12 | AwesomeGuy | ya, is that bad? |
| 21:44.22 | enouf | no |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | looks at streuner |
| 21:44.35 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686: (Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 16066 kB, Installed size: 48680 kB |
| 21:44.39 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: look what abrotman told you |
| 21:44.46 | abrotman | streuner: his kernel is fine |
| 21:44.50 | abrotman | still blames flash :) |
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| 21:45.00 | streuner | abrotman: i know |
| 21:45.00 | AwesomeGuy | It's updating the linux image, is that the new kernel? |
| 21:45.10 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:45.59 | streuner | flash would be a good chance |
| 21:46.11 | AwesomeGuy | there was no flash.. |
| 21:46.24 | kingsley | vinc456: Very good. Thanks. |
| 21:46.37 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: so ATI third party drivers? |
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| 21:47.13 | AwesomeGuy | idk, I have a wifi card |
| 21:47.18 | AwesomeGuy | linksys |
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| 21:47.22 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: got a swap partition/file setup ? |
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| 21:47.31 | enouf | AwesomeGuy: how much system RAM? |
| 21:47.33 | YeTr2 | .. I messed up a conf file for a package, and there was no default conf file, is there a way to reinstall the package and get the conf file back without removing the package first? |
| 21:47.39 | AwesomeGuy | I think I do but it's not big, it's an old laptop |
| 21:47.44 | AwesomeGuy | 128 or something |
| 21:47.53 | AwesomeGuy | it's an old laptop |
| 21:47.58 | streuner | YeTr2: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 21:48.24 | YeTr2 | streuner: that will work for aptitude as well? |
| 21:48.33 | streuner | YeTr2: no idea |
| 21:48.51 | YeTr2 | streuner: nope |
| 21:48.52 | YeTr2 | :( |
| 21:50.22 | AwesomeGuy | how do I change my ip from dynamic to static? |
| 21:50.56 | streuner | aptitude [<Optionen>...] {changelog | dist-upgrade | download | forbid-version | hold | markauto | purge | reinstall | remove | show | unmarkauto} Pakete... |
| 21:50.57 | YeTr2 | AwesomeGuy: configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:51.14 | AwesomeGuy | I mean my isp ip |
| 21:51.40 | YeTr2 | AwesomeGuy: pay an extra 50-200$ a month for a static ip address. |
| 21:51.42 | streuner | well, talk to your ISP in order to get a static IP? |
| 21:51.45 | kombucha | why would apt-get hang like this (im hitting return a lot) http://pastebin.com/m1b7166f8 |
| 21:51.48 | AwesomeGuy | that's gay.. |
| 21:51.57 | streuner | !gay |
| 21:51.57 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 21:51.59 | YeTr2 | AwesomeGuy: thats the way it works, deal with it. |
| 21:52.05 | AwesomeGuy | I'll just never reconnect :/ |
| 21:52.09 | antgel | AwesomeGuy: that's one flame that #d doesn't like |
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| 21:52.40 | antgel | or should i say AwesomeGay |
| 21:52.41 | AwesomeGuy | this is not #d |
| 21:52.55 | antgel | blinks |
| 21:53.09 | streuner | AwesomeGuy: #d stands for #debian (short) |
| 21:53.12 | YeTr2 | AwesomeGuy: naw, your ip is still listed as dynamic, you'll eventually have to change ip address, and since your ip address is listed in the dynamic block ranges, your ip address will be most likely added to RBLs for major email serves and stuff |
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| 21:53.36 | AwesomeGuy | everyone else in the entire world uses gay to say something is ad. get over it. |
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| 21:53.44 | YeTr2 | streuner: yeah, that was an older version of aptitude. |
| 21:54.05 | streuner | ah |
| 21:54.10 | antgel | what a cock. although with a nick like that... |
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| 21:55.05 | YeTr2 | streuner: the newer version no longer has upgrade or dist-upgrade, they changed the options to safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, and the reinstall option was removed I think |
| 21:55.07 | streuner | his fun that stable crashes wasnt nice |
| 21:55.35 | streuner | YeTr2: file a bug report then :-) |
| 21:55.47 | YeTr2 | streuner: or I could try running aptitude reinstall instead of apt-get reinstall |
| 21:55.48 | YeTr2 | .. |
| 21:55.59 | streuner | just use apt-get |
| 21:56.06 | YeTr2 | I prefer aptitude |
| 21:56.15 | streuner | good, i have no idea about aptitude |
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| 21:56.27 | vinc456 | i don't think aptitude reinstall reinstalls the config files |
| 21:56.28 | streuner | the man page still mention reinstall |
| 21:56.31 | YeTr2 | it handles dependencies a little better than apt-get |
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| 21:56.57 | vinc456 | i've always had to purge the package and reinstall the package, but there is probably a better way |
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| 21:57.13 | streuner | YeTr2: yes, aptitude is recommended, apt-get is more low-level and for exp. users |
| 21:57.22 | stew | vinc456: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 21:57.30 | YeTr2 | can't purge the package, it will quite litterally kill the system :3 |
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| 21:58.11 | enouf | antgel: don't worry, with 128MB of system RAM only and running Firepoop and other bloated GUI he'll be suffering from plenty of self-punishment :-) |
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| 21:59.05 | Deezire | Is there any way to tell apt to do a backup of the packagedb before installing new packages? |
| 21:59.06 | xand | w00t, gdmsetup program let me specify the -dpi 96 option and it works :) |
| 21:59.16 | streuner | YeTr2: use dpkg then to purge the config |
| 21:59.28 | YeTr2 | enouf: run gnome desktop with kde backend running. |
| 21:59.37 | vinc456 | YeTr2: apparently "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>" will work |
| 21:59.42 | AljosHa | Anyone could help me about bind on debian?i tried all i could read but something is really strange...about rndc, anyone who i could ask ? |
| 22:00.08 | enouf | YeTr2: heh |
| 22:00.17 | stew | AljosHa: just ask |
| 22:01.13 | AljosHa | bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused - i get this error, i had some other also about options, and many of them i just dont have idea what to do, if i run bind without rndc.conf included it works than.Tnx in front |
| 22:02.03 | AljosHa | http://rafb.net/p/COtbDD53.html |
| 22:02.07 | AljosHa | i pasted here log |
| 22:03.12 | stew | AljosHa: is named listening on port 953? |
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| 22:04.34 | stew | oh, its not even starting |
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| 22:05.43 | AljosHa | yes... |
| 22:05.44 | KU0N | I moved a debian from sda1 to sda2, I changed in menu.lst and now debian is not booting |
| 22:06.05 | KU0N | I got an error 17, any idea? |
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| 22:06.41 | stew | AljosHa: and i gess your named.conf includes an options section and also includes the rndc.conf which has an options section? |
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| 22:07.27 | ploo | anyone here good with sed? |
| 22:07.49 | AljosHa | yes but this bind got crazy i removed all about rndc and it still could not start lol |
| 22:07.56 | AljosHa | it start but report this error |
| 22:07.58 | AljosHa | very strange |
| 22:08.25 | stew | AljosHa: it appears that to get past this, you'd have to combine the two options sections into one file or the other |
| 22:08.42 | stew | AljosHa: if you remove all about rndc it reports what error? |
| 22:08.44 | AljosHa | il reinstall it and check than |
| 22:08.49 | AljosHa | same error :) |
| 22:08.52 | stew | ploo: just assume yes and ask your real question |
| 22:08.56 | AljosHa | Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 22:08.56 | AljosHa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.06 | AljosHa | il try with remove and configuring again than we talk ok ? |
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| 22:09.17 | stew | AljosHa: do you have a 'control' section somewhere? |
| 22:09.26 | stew | err 'controls' |
| 22:09.32 | AljosHa | dont have anymore i removed |
| 22:09.36 | AljosHa | i had |
| 22:09.40 | ploo | sed 's/^/./g' file |
| 22:09.42 | AljosHa | it just works something strange... |
| 22:09.47 | ploo | doing that but it just prints the change |
| 22:09.52 | ploo | how do I make it make changes in the file |
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| 22:10.02 | stew | AljosHa: you'd need a controls section if you expect it to be listening on 127.0.0.1#953 (which is how debian tries to restart it) |
| 22:10.05 | enouf | use -i |
| 22:10.15 | enouf | ploo: use -i |
| 22:10.19 | AljosHa | i had it |
| 22:10.29 | AljosHa | please wait a while, il contact you here, il do all from start |
| 22:10.30 | AljosHa | again |
| 22:10.56 | ploo | thnx |
| 22:11.36 | cire | I am using debian sid, kernel 2.6.25-2. I use a Netgear WG511 Wireless card. It worked well with prism54 driver, but now the kernel prefers p54 (softmac) driver. I'd like to tell the kernel to use prism54 module instead of p54. Where can this be done? |
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| 22:12.12 | antgel | cire: if prism54 is still around, just blacklist p54 |
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| 22:13.15 | antgel | cire: or, you could alias it |
| 22:13.25 | cire | never did this. |
| 22:13.25 | enouf | ploo: please don't msg me |
| 22:13.36 | cire | I'll try to blavklist it |
| 22:13.40 | ploo | sorry |
| 22:13.44 | enouf | ploo: and hrm ... the people in the channel will know - ask away ;-) |
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| 22:13.51 | cire | and afterwards I'll learn what aliasing means ;) |
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| 22:14.39 | antgel | cire: man modprobe.conf. look for the alias section. i /think/ this might be a bit clearer than blacklisting the one you don't want but to be honest i'm not sure if it's exactly what you want |
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| 22:15.04 | antgel | cire: and do it all in a new file in /etc/modprobe.d, so your changes don't get overwritten when you upgrade |
| 22:15.18 | cire | damn, it seems as if prism54 has been removed |
| 22:15.31 | cire | can't find the module |
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| 22:16.15 | antgel | cire: presumably it's better. search the kernel release notes / changelog - the change will be documented somewhere on the web |
| 22:17.03 | cire | okay. prism54 worked really good for me, so I just wanted to use what worked before, since p54 crashed under huge load... |
| 22:17.58 | cire | also I am wondering if prism54 (fullmac) is better because allmost everything is done by the card, not by system cpu |
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| 22:20.46 | lindenle | Hi so is this openssl bug patched yet? |
| 22:20.53 | antgel | cire: has it not been discussed on lkml? |
| 22:21.05 | antgel | !tell lindenle -about vague |
| 22:21.11 | Deezire | lindenle: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:23.21 | lindenle | Deezire: ok so it is patched in 0.9.8g-10 |
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| 22:24.47 | Bushmills | lindenle: you know that just upgrading openssl is not enough? |
| 22:25.43 | lindenle | Bushmills: well i regenerated the keys already |
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| 22:25.51 | Bushmills | ok |
| 22:25.55 | lindenle | just was not sure if this version had the fix |
| 22:26.06 | lindenle | but i found it in my email from security list |
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| 22:28.08 | paulfm | goodday everyone |
| 22:28.34 | mhymn | paulfm: night here ;-) |
| 22:29.06 | paulfm | mhymn: indeed it is... I wish it was here... too much sun on my screen :-/ |
| 22:29.57 | paulfm | can someone please tell me what the heck is going on with my machine... my netstat looks like this: http://www.kariera.cz/test/xcache/top.php?cmd=netstat |
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| 22:30.41 | paulfm | I have a LOT of TIM_WAIT entries in the netstat output... all with super high ports like 52224 etc |
| 22:30.50 | paulfm | TIME_WAIT that is |
| 22:30.55 | davidc007__ | i installed debian with my root partition as a part of raid1 software raid set. i mistyped pw, so booting to livecd to reset, but can't mount the raid drive. how do i do so from livecd |
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| 22:31.49 | Bushmills | paulfm: lots of connection attempts to mysql. |
| 22:32.40 | paulfm | bushmills: connection attempts?... so no one got in?.... why are the ports all over the place? |
| 22:33.16 | Bushmills | paulfm: source ports. normal. |
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| 22:33.40 | davidc007__ | how do i mount a software raid, linux_raid_member, from livecd |
| 22:34.10 | paulfm | Bushmills: source ports... .... uhmm... does that mean from the machine trying to make the connection? |
| 22:34.21 | Bushmills | paulfm: yes |
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| 22:34.56 | paulfm | Bushmills:.. ok... hmmm |
| 22:35.22 | x03 | bushmills rox |
| 22:36.25 | paulfm | Bushmills:.....so what does this mean for example "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:58633 127.0.0.1:11211 TIME_WAIT" |
| 22:36.56 | paulfm | sometihng on port 11211 is trying to make a connection to :58633 on the same machine? |
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| 22:37.33 | Bushmills | no, the other way around |
| 22:37.41 | Tramp | paulfm: no. The connection was successful and is now finished. It stays in TIME_WAIT state of the TCP state machine for technical reasons which you may google if you feel like it |
| 22:37.46 | Bushmills | 58633 -> 11211 |
| 22:38.47 | paulfm | Bushmills: OK... so when I do a netstat the 1211 entry is listed under the foreign column?.... does that mean the local machine -> remote machine? |
| 22:40.06 | Bushmills | "foreign address" you'd read as "address connected/connecting to" in this case |
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| 22:40.49 | Bushmills | is the same machine |
| 22:41.09 | paulfm | Bushmills: OK.. can you please see my pastebin here: http://pastebin.com/d4be659a2 |
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| 22:41.46 | Bushmills | server replies to the client source port |
| 22:42.50 | paulfm | Bushmills: so what do you think is going on there... my mysql on ip 216.241.57.118 is trying to connect to all these ports on the same ip of 205.45.62.118 |
| 22:43.50 | Bushmills | same ip? server is ...178. client is ..118 |
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| 22:44.06 | paulfm | Bushmills: yes |
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| 22:44.44 | Bushmills | each line with a new source port is a new request to server. |
| 22:44.45 | paulfm | sorry... I meant same as in "same ip for all theses ports.. like 54756,54230 etc" |
| 22:44.51 | dutchfish | on lenny 2.6.24-latest, trying to build 2.6.25.4 produces linux-image fine, but on install lsmod shows nothing, i used kp-mantra, have build-essential and build with --initrd (everything i used to do on i386) want could went wrong? |
| 22:45.13 | Bushmills | and each line with that port as destination is the server reply |
| 22:45.14 | dutchfish | s/want/what |
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| 22:46.10 | paulfm | Bushmills: ok... so is it normal for a client to generate its own source port?... why are all these connections not on 3306 (mysql default) |
| 22:46.22 | Bushmills | paulfm: yes, normal |
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| 22:46.49 | Bushmills | because 3306 is the destination port. no need, and not wise, to use same port as source port. |
| 22:46.50 | TonyTone17 | Is there a way to set access restrictions on the Anchorfree public wifi(My Ad Network)? I noticed that it uses a virtual interface named wl0.1. I am trying to filter P2P and only enable HTTP/HTTPS on that VLAN. |
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| 22:47.26 | Bushmills | paulfm: was that the case, you couldn't use a web browser... |
| 22:47.42 | Bushmills | as user |
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| 22:48.30 | paulfm | Bushmills: Im struggling to get it... so if I tried to connect to my friends mysql server my clients source port would be not 3306 and the destination port would be 3306? |
| 22:48.52 | Bushmills | that is right, and your source port would be >= 1024 |
| 22:49.06 | paulfm | Bushmills: the browser would break because it could only have one port 80 connection at a time on the source port? |
| 22:49.34 | Bushmills | no, because as user you can't open a port < 1024 |
| 22:50.15 | Bushmills | (regardless of the possibility that they might be a web server on the client machine too) |
| 22:50.42 | antgel | paulfm: you need http://authors.phptr.com/tanenbaumcn4/! |
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| 22:50.59 | paulfm | Bushmills:.. ok... so here is my next issue.... can you look at 1 more pastebin please : http://pastebin.com/m3c66e2b7 |
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| 22:51.17 | paulfm | antgel: thanks.. checking link... |
| 22:51.43 | paulfm | antgel: cool... I'll take a look. I definitely need to read something like this |
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| 22:52.02 | Bushmills | paulfm: some1 was curious., |
| 22:52.08 | Rusty1_64 | Hi all , is this the correct order: stable(etch)-unstable(sid)-testing(lenny)-experimental |
| 22:52.16 | antgel | paulfm: i read it as a CS student over ten years ago, and i still refer to it. it's the networking bible |
| 22:52.22 | paulfm | Bushmills: so how does that happen... |
| 22:52.23 | antgel | !tell Rusty1_64 about releases |
| 22:52.31 | paulfm | antgel: great. thank you |
| 22:52.37 | Bushmills | nosy user scanning your ports |
| 22:52.58 | paulfm | Bushmills: does it mean that the client ip (with all the source ports) was scanning my server...? |
| 22:53.05 | Rusty1_64 | antgel: ty |
| 22:53.13 | Bushmills | ehm. nope. didn't scan a lot. |
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| 22:53.22 | Bushmills | looked more on first glimpse |
| 22:53.22 | paulfm | Bushmills: or does it mean my server was generating portscans to the client ip? |
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| 22:53.50 | paulfm | Bushmills: there are a lot more than that... I just didnt copy it all |
| 22:53.56 | cire | antgel: sorry for late answer, I again provoked the "huge load" system crash. Don't know whether this was discussed yet, I'm searching right now. |
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| 22:54.42 | Bushmills | multiple connects to https could cause that. no idea what the trigger thresholds of whatever gives the alert intrusion is, but i'd say that's harmless. |
| 22:54.56 | paulfm | Bushmills: that firewall log was generated on the network of the client ip |
| 22:55.20 | paulfm | Bushmills: yes the client is making https requests on port 443 |
| 22:55.58 | paulfm | Bushmills: So are you saying no one actually did a portscan? |
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| 22:56.51 | Bushmills | right. there's just several connections to https. nothing i'd worry about. |
| 22:57.26 | paulfm | Bushmills: any tips on how to exaplin this to a sysadmin who is aking me why there are portscans in his logs :-) |
| 22:57.59 | Bushmills | to a sysadmin? show him those three lines |
| 22:58.45 | paulfm | Bushmills: ... heh.. he call himsefl a "L4/Network Admin" |
| 22:58.45 | Bushmills | tell him there is because the detection software is oversensitive |
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| 22:59.21 | paulfm | Bushmills: so basically their firewall is complaining because it is seeing too many https connections... and is loggin all the source ports in the message? |
| 22:59.29 | Bushmills | right |
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| 23:00.51 | paulfm | Bushmills: sounds good to me... there is so much to learn - but I have to start somewhere. I guess antgels book would be a good place to begin |
| 23:01.03 | antgel | and end :) |
| 23:01.12 | paulfm | Bushmills: Thanks for checking out my lame pastebins :-) |
| 23:01.26 | paulfm | antgel: heh... youre probably right there |
| 23:01.29 | Bushmills | np |
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| 23:02.57 | TonyTone17 | is there a way to set access restrictions on VLANS with dd-wrt v24? |
| 23:03.34 | paulfm | Bushmills is the king. He schooled me on source ports.. (yes I really am that sad) |
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| 23:04.10 | mcbane | hi |
| 23:04.12 | paulfm | siiggghhh... now I gotta go tell this l4 dude whats up |
| 23:04.40 | dutchfish | hi, why i get this: http://debian.pastebin.com/d22ba106d (compiling 2.6.25.4 on amd64 lenny system)? |
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| 23:07.00 | mcbane | what could be the cause, that debian is not using the swap? I have 2 Gigs of ram and about the same as swap. Now I have the problem that the ram is fully used, the swap is nearly free (48k are being used), but programms start to behave like they are running out of memory. |
| 23:07.33 | dutchfish | mcbane, ram is prolly no fully used, just filled with cache |
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| 23:08.06 | mcbane | dutchfish: is there a way that I can determine that? |
| 23:08.13 | Bushmills | mcbane: what does free say? |
| 23:08.26 | dutchfish | mcbane, cat /proc/meminfo should tell you that |
| 23:09.19 | mcbane | Bushmills: free says: 2075892 total, 1992404 used and 83488 free. |
| 23:09.24 | rahul | mcbane: they're failing because you're out of memory? |
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| 23:09.37 | mcbane | rahul: the syslogs indicates that |
| 23:09.40 | Bushmills | mcbane: just one line? |
| 23:09.45 | Bushmills | no "swap:" line? |
| 23:09.57 | rahul | and no shared/buffers/cache? |
| 23:10.08 | dutchfish | mcbane, what is under cache? |
| 23:10.42 | mcbane | http://pastebin.com/m7737b5d0 is the complete free output |
| 23:10.59 | mcbane | i did not want to spam the channel |
| 23:11.06 | rahul | yeah, you have 1.5 gigs free |
| 23:11.20 | Bushmills | mcbane: no worries. plenty of available mem |
| 23:11.25 | dutchfish | nice, no out of mem by far |
| 23:11.48 | rahul | it's just using the free memory for caching while it's not needed by applications |
| 23:12.25 | mcbane | that is good news. Thank you very much. |
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| 23:14.34 | dutchfish | Could this be a bug in kernel package version 11.001-0.1: http://debian.pastebin.com/d22ba106d (compiling 2.6.25.4 on amd64 lenny system)? |
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| 23:18.21 | Knorrie | ? |
| 23:19.05 | Knorrie | ah, haha seems i have a hilight on "New request" :) |
| 23:20.57 | Knorrie | dutchfish: ehm what exactly is "the bug |
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| 23:21.37 | dutchfish | Knorrie, it break out on module compile, right after linux-image packages ha sbeen succesfully created |
| 23:21.42 | JyZyXEL | http://break.com/index/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary.html |
| 23:21.53 | JyZyXEL | that guy just failed epicly |
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| 23:22.07 | kombucha | i think his 2 billion makes him feel better |
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| 23:23.17 | dutchfish | Knorrie, installing the package gives a bootable kernel, but lsmod shows no modules |
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| 23:23.33 | Knorrie | dutchfish: ah seems to be a fakeroot issue, but kernel-package should handle that (sorry i'm no expert on this) |
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| 23:24.02 | dutchfish | Knorrie, anyway i can fix this? |
| 23:24.26 | dutchfish | Knorrie, this always worked on 32 bit systems |
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| 23:25.39 | karsten | apache2 / Sid/lenny: how do you enable user web directories (~$USER/public_html) as in apache1? |
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| 23:26.04 | infernal_jesus | karsten, they are enabled by default I believe |
| 23:26.22 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Not AFAICT |
| 23:26.29 | infernal_jesus | karsten, just add a 'public_html' dir to the users directory |
| 23:26.42 | Knorrie | dutchfish: i heard about (tm) kernel-package being deprecated in favour of something else, but i'm not the right one to say anything about this, you could join #debian-kernel on oftc and ask a to-the-point question about how-should-i-compile-my-own-modified kernel |
| 23:26.49 | infernal_jesus | karsten, hm.. cause on my debian box I have that, but I can't remember if I did any configuration for it :P |
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| 23:27.42 | dutchfish | Knorrie, this looks pretty simulair: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nvidia-devel/2008-January/000176.html |
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| 23:29.11 | karsten | infernal_jesus: /etc/apache2/mods-*/ somehow. |
| 23:29.14 | Knorrie | dutchfish: hm ok "However, it works with sudo" so seams like fakeroot failure |
| 23:29.29 | dutchfish | Knorrie, ok, i try again with sudo |
| 23:29.29 | infernal_jesus | karsten, let me check my mods |
| 23:29.43 | dutchfish | Knorrie, give me 5 min |
| 23:29.50 | Knorrie | man fakeroot: fakeroot - run a command in an environment faking root privileges for file manipulation |
| 23:29.53 | karsten | infernal_jesus: I'm trying to sort how/if there's a Debianized way to configure that. |
| 23:29.54 | \amethyst | fixed in nvidia-graphics-drivers 169.07-2 |
| 23:30.11 | karsten | infernal_jesus: /msg dpkg apache2 ;-) |
| 23:30.29 | infernal_jesus | karsten, hm.. seems like I do have userdir.conf and userdir.load in my /mods-enabled |
| 23:31.20 | Knorrie | !dict infernal |
| 23:31.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'infernal' (1 of 9): characteristic of or resembling hell; "infernal heat and noise". |
| 23:31.26 | Knorrie | hm :) |
| 23:31.30 | Knorrie | ah |
| 23:31.52 | rahul | as in dante's inferno |
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| 23:32.28 | Knorrie | like... it burns, whatever you wanted it to be? |
| 23:32.30 | infernal_jesus | karsten, do these two things: 'ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled' |
| 23:32.35 | hellues | hey |
| 23:32.48 | hellues | are there a program to control fan speed |
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| 23:32.55 | infernal_jesus | karsten, and 'ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled' |
| 23:33.03 | hellues | i am using debian i have acer aspire 5720g laptop |
| 23:33.04 | infernal_jesus | karsten, that should enable the userdir mod |
| 23:33.07 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Yeah, done. Now trying to actually read my local webserver... |
| 23:33.29 | Knorrie | hellues: well, fan speed has something to do with temperature |
| 23:33.44 | hellues | so ? |
| 23:33.48 | infernal_jesus | karsten, what do you mean? |
| 23:34.02 | infernal_jesus | karsten, see if http://localhost/~user/ works |
| 23:34.36 | dutchfish | mumbles about a2enmod |
| 23:34.36 | hellues | Knorrie, |
| 23:34.42 | Knorrie | hellues: so lowering fan speed without solving `another' problem will set the whole system on fire |
| 23:35.04 | hellues | my computer temrature is 65 |
| 23:35.12 | Knorrie | oC? |
| 23:35.17 | hellues | iyes |
| 23:35.27 | hellues | my fan speed is lower i guess |
| 23:35.29 | dutchfish | Knorrie, nope :( |
| 23:35.35 | Knorrie | well, i guess the fan has some work to do than |
| 23:35.39 | hellues | i am not sure because i cant see fan speed |
| 23:35.41 | Knorrie | dutchfish: arhg |
| 23:35.53 | Bushmills | hellues: with lm-sensors comes fancontrol |
| 23:35.53 | hellues | tabi |
| 23:35.55 | Knorrie | hellues: it's a laptop or desktop |
| 23:35.59 | hellues | sorry |
| 23:36.07 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Got it sorted. Not sure why it wasn't working, was trying w3m. |
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| 23:36.29 | infernal_jesus | karsten, w3m? :P |
| 23:36.37 | hellues | laptop |
| 23:36.43 | hellues | acer aspire 5720g |
| 23:37.32 | hellues | i have lm-sensors |
| 23:37.48 | Bushmills | then you also have fancontrol |
| 23:37.49 | infernal_jesus | karsten, ah.. use lynx :D |
| 23:37.51 | infernal_jesus | or links |
| 23:37.54 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Console / commandline browser. Better than lynx. Good for quick checks of stuff. |
| 23:37.56 | hellues | but i cannot work lm-sensors |
| 23:38.16 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Also better (IMO) than links or elinks, if you've got vim keybinding muscle-memory. |
| 23:38.22 | infernal_jesus | karsten, nothing is better than lynx :D |
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| 23:38.30 | karsten | infernal_jesus: I agree. |
| 23:38.40 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Absolutely _nothing_ would make a better browser than lynx :) |
| 23:39.14 | infernal_jesus | haha |
| 23:39.17 | karsten | infernal_jesus: These days I mostly use lynx strictly as an HTML-to-text converter. |
| 23:39.24 | Knorrie | hellues: on my thinkpad, i use cpufreqd, which uses the cpu power MHz only when it's needed |
| 23:39.28 | hellues | lm-sensors is a applet ? |
| 23:39.31 | infernal_jesus | karsten, lynx is awesome :D I use it to watch youtube :P |
| 23:39.33 | JyZyXEL | pikkupillu |
| 23:40.02 | hellues | it shows 800 mhz i have cpu frequency scaling monitor |
| 23:40.04 | infernal_jesus | karsten, yes, it's that amazing that it turns my console into a video player |
| 23:40.04 | dutchfish | Knorrie, is it th eoption -rfakeroot instead of --fakeroot now in lenny? |
| 23:40.08 | hellues | what is that |
| 23:40.11 | Knorrie | hellues: no, it's a tool to read info from sensors, like cpu temperature or fan spee |
| 23:40.15 | Knorrie | d |
| 23:40.20 | infernal_jesus | karsten, can w3m do that? :P |
| 23:40.32 | Knorrie | dutchfish: i'm not sure |
| 23:40.41 | hellues | hmm |
| 23:40.47 | karsten | infernal_jesus: You're using the aalib video engine? |
| 23:40.49 | hellues | how can i work lm-sensors |
| 23:40.54 | hellues | it is a program ? |
| 23:41.28 | karsten | infernal_jesus: With the right termcap, yeah, that could happen, though I haven't tried it. Not sure there's any flash-to-ascii or flash-to-framebuffer display engine though. |
| 23:42.31 | Knorrie | dutchfish: --rootcmd fakeroot ? |
| 23:42.31 | Knorrie | dutchfish: option to what? |
| 23:42.42 | infernal_jesus | karsten, I think there might be :P |
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| 23:42.58 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Care to share? |
| 23:43.50 | Knorrie | dutchfish: man make-kpkg refers to "as needed by dpkg-buildpackageâs -r option." |
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| 23:43.50 | infernal_jesus | karsten, oh, no there isn't... =/ but you can watch star wars in ascii |
| 23:43.50 | infernal_jesus | karsten, http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ |
| 23:43.50 | infernal_jesus | :D |
| 23:43.50 | noah | does dpkg-reconfigure log the commands it runs somewhere? |
| 23:43.50 | dutchfish | Knorrie, something like: make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd rfakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
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| 23:44.27 | Knorrie | dutchfish: ah |
| 23:44.38 | Knorrie | dutchfish: http://trac.knorrie.org/kookboek/wiki/Aantekeningen?action=diff&version=9 |
| 23:44.55 | Knorrie | dutchfish: try to put fakeroot at the beginning |
| 23:45.13 | infernal_jesus | karsten, oh, but they do have live football matches in ascii |
| 23:45.15 | infernal_jesus | karsten, http://ascii-wm.net/ |
| 23:45.41 | Knorrie | dutchfish: diff at that link is what i did use some time ago to build devs |
| 23:45.55 | Knorrie | debs |
| 23:46.30 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Doesn't work in w3m |
| 23:46.41 | dutchfish | Knorrie, you mean make-kpkg fakeroot blah blah ... ? |
| 23:47.01 | dutchfish | Knorrie, you mean make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot blah blah ... ? |
| 23:54.44 | Knorrie | dutchfish: no, fakeroot make-kpkg blah |
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| 23:56.26 | dutchfish | Knorrie, nope, no go :( |
| 23:58.01 | Knorrie | hm |
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| 23:58.14 | dutchfish | Knorrie, it builds the kernel image fine, bu tno tmodules |
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| 23:58.31 | Knorrie | dutchfish: then i don't know |
| 23:58.50 | dutchfish | Knorrie, i can even boot that, bu tlsmod shows no modules loaded after boot |
| 23:59.26 | hellues | hey |
| 23:59.26 | gpm | hi all. i currently don't have an mta installed, and i'd like to get the most basic one, basically i will only use it with reportbug (which i believe invokes /usr/sbin/sendmail unless you tell it to use the local mta), i'm wondering what is the least resource-intensive package that'd provide this functionality |
| 23:59.27 | dutchfish | Knorrie, thx anayway |
| 23:59.31 | Knorrie | dutchfish: sorry, i'm not a kernel-compile expert, i used this some time ago |
| 23:59.44 | dutchfish | Knorrie, np |
| 23:59.50 | hellues | i have this module i2c-viapro but i dont have i2c-sensor |
| 23:59.50 | Knorrie | dutchfish: :) |
| 23:59.54 | hellues | is it normal ? |