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| 00:01.21 | hellues | anythingg ? |
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| 00:01.26 | streuner | Can someone recommend a .us provider which doesn't block 25? |
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| 00:02.04 | Knorrie | i could recommend a .nl heh :) |
| 00:02.09 | noah | where do debconf logs go? |
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| 00:02.19 | streuner | noah: none |
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| 00:02.45 | streuner | noah: well, i don't know that debconf logs at all |
| 00:02.47 | noah | streuner: :-\ how can i see what it's doing? |
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| 00:03.18 | adama | what package provides start-stop-daemon? |
| 00:03.39 | streuner | !find start-stop-daemon |
| 00:04.11 | noah | adama: dpkg -S `which start-stop-daemon` |
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| 00:04.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'start-stop-daemon' (3): (/sbin/start-stop-daemon) in admin/dpkg ;; (/sbin/fai-start-stop-daemon) in admin/fai-server ;; (/usr/share/ltsp/scripts/start-stop-daemon) in misc/ltsp-server. |
| 00:05.20 | extor | If someone says their website will be down for an hour due to a firewall upgrade, does it mean that they got n00bs running the IT dept? |
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| 00:05.37 | joker_ | hello, anything can recommend a provider for dedicated server? i have ordered a server at godaddy but thiscompany blocked outgoing ports... that i need! who company/datacenter dont block anything outgoing ports? |
| 00:06.19 | extor | most don't block |
| 00:07.08 | joker_ | for outgoing port 25 |
| 00:07.26 | joker_ | extor: and who is? |
| 00:07.30 | jelly-home | ... tell them you want to have a mail server? :-) |
| 00:07.39 | tavito | hello, I have a problem in gnome with the icons associated to some files, it seems that afer installing adobe air beta, every file that is a zip (even when it's extension is other than zip) is associated to Adobe Air (which I can fix by hand) and also is associated to the air package icon, which is the association I want to know how to fix. Any idea? |
| 00:07.55 | extor | just some random website I belong to |
| 00:07.56 | jelly-home | assumes 25/tcp |
| 00:08.03 | extor | Or use rather |
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| 00:08.59 | Knorrie | extor: probably, or their firewall equipment is separate hardware they're going to replace or play with |
| 00:09.00 | joker_ | jelly-home: yes for a mailserver / mailinglist |
| 00:09.09 | jelly-home | extor, web hosting, esp. share web hosting sites have no need to send mail directly. Use your provider's smarthost |
| 00:09.40 | jelly-home | er, I meant joker_ |
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| 00:10.52 | extor | damn right you did |
| 00:11.12 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 00:11.19 | Knorrie | heh |
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| 00:11.35 | jelly-home | joker_, our users just use /usr/sbin/sendmail. If you web hosting machine doesn't have a working MTA setup, I suggest you change providers. |
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| 00:12.20 | streuner | jelly: yes, his question is, which one in .us |
| 00:12.22 | Knorrie | lots of crappy software sets up tcp to localhost:25 for mail |
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| 00:12.32 | joker_ | jelly-home: i use too sendmail, but i dont like smarthost.. in germany we dont have one.. and it works too fine.. for what is this fucking (sorry) smarthost... |
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| 00:12.51 | streuner | !smarthost |
| 00:12.51 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
| 00:13.20 | Knorrie | joker_: it's a managed host which will try to forward your outgoing mail, and try to manage abuse |
| 00:13.55 | joker_ | Knorrie: abuse? about what? |
| 00:14.16 | jelly-home | joker_, abuse of direct mail sending capabilities |
| 00:14.42 | Knorrie | yes, detect runaway mailer scripts |
| 00:15.04 | Knorrie | which will abuse the whole world's mailservers |
| 00:15.38 | jelly-home | step 1: naive root enables outgoing 25/tcp from a web hosting site. step 2: user install MyCrapPHP step 3: bot script exploits MyCrapPHP and sends spam through your server |
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| 00:16.37 | Salz | Knorrie: searching for open relays could be done from any dialup connection |
| 00:16.39 | simonrvn | step 4: your server gets shut down. step 5: you're fucked! |
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| 00:16.52 | Knorrie | simonrvn: :) |
| 00:16.53 | Salz | Knorrie: might be even cheaper if you have a flatrate :P |
| 00:17.09 | jelly-home | simonrvn, nah, it just gets blacklisted and your abuse dept. gets busy |
| 00:17.12 | joker_ | and if runs about a smarthost.. what is different? |
| 00:17.55 | streuner | buh, 25k/day via smarthost, i don't know if a ISP even allow that? |
| 00:17.56 | jelly-home | joker_, if you send all the mail to a smarthost, it can do antispam / antivirus and detect other anomalous activity |
| 00:18.01 | simonrvn | jelly-home: for sure |
| 00:18.12 | jelly-home | streuner, if you ask nicely, sure |
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| 00:18.40 | abrotman | fix my wifi slackerers! |
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| 00:19.17 | joker_ | jelly-home: i want to install a mailinglist on this mailserver.. and i think i need 20 - 30k mails/day... its too much for a smarthost and that block my mailserver / server? |
| 00:19.22 | simonrvn | !fix abrotman's wifi |
| 00:19.22 | dpkg | takes abrotman's wifi to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 00:19.35 | abrotman | thx!! :L |
| 00:19.42 | simonrvn | :( |
| 00:19.47 | abrotman | :m |
| 00:19.47 | Knorrie | heheh |
| 00:19.57 | simonrvn | :poo |
| 00:20.05 | Knorrie | aw |
| 00:20.09 | abrotman | dribbler! |
| 00:20.16 | simonrvn | s,:,, |
| 00:20.22 | jelly-home | joker_, ask your provider. Arguably this could be a whole dedicated server, separate ip and fqdn. |
| 00:20.22 | Knorrie | beh |
| 00:20.37 | simonrvn | haha =) |
| 00:21.20 | Knorrie | joker_: yes for that, you need no my-first-server setup |
| 00:21.46 | jelly-home | farts in general direction of west, where the land of abrotman's wifi lies |
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| 00:22.02 | abrotman | waits six months |
| 00:22.09 | Knorrie | wonders where west of jelly's home is |
| 00:22.10 | cloakable | heh |
| 00:22.29 | Knorrie | :) |
| 00:22.32 | simonrvn | atlantic |
| 00:22.46 | jelly-home | Knorrie, everything west of 16 little dot E |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | 16 degrees East ? |
| 00:23.05 | jelly-home | aye |
| 00:23.21 | jelly-home | s/dot/circle/. |
| 00:23.35 | simonrvn | superscript little circle |
| 00:23.45 | Salz | moskau? *eg* |
| 00:23.47 | jelly-home | ° |
| 00:24.08 | simonrvn | how'd you do that with compose? |
| 00:24.15 | jelly-home | I didn't |
| 00:24.32 | jelly-home | the irc client has a handy character chart |
| 00:24.49 | simonrvn | xchat |
| 00:25.01 | jelly-home | nods |
| 00:25.15 | abrotman | °°°°°· |
| 00:25.53 | adama | whats the thing to ignore this warning: |
| 00:25.54 | adama | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.28.6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd |
| 00:25.54 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | !tell adama about overwrite |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | !tell adama about bts |
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| 00:26.33 | simonrvn | bah, bugger. wtf is it |
| 00:26.37 | simonrvn | é |
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| 00:26.47 | Knorrie | ¿ |
| 00:27.05 | Knorrie | or ¡ |
| 00:27.18 | Stwange | I don't suppose anyone here knows the link to the article about the lecturer/teacher who asked his students to either flip a coin 100 times and record the results, or just make it up and then split it into two lists the day after based on their misunderstanding of random? |
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| 00:27.28 | hellues | hey |
| 00:27.35 | hellues | i just installed lm-sensor |
| 00:27.38 | hellues | i just installed lm-sensors |
| 00:27.46 | hellues | and make it active |
| 00:27.53 | hellues | sensors commnd works |
| 00:28.03 | hellues | but the thing i wonna understand |
| 00:28.12 | hellues | can i control my fan speed |
| 00:28.17 | Knorrie | Stwange: "I don't suppose" is not actually an attemption to get an answer :) |
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| 00:28.22 | hellues | or os controls it automatically ?? |
| 00:28.28 | streuner | no |
| 00:28.34 | streuner | its possible |
| 00:28.42 | Stwange | Knorrie, is attemption a word? ;) |
| 00:28.45 | Knorrie | Stwange: but it's interesting anyway! |
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| 00:28.49 | Stwange | Knorrie, I don't suppose you have the link? |
| 00:28.53 | Stwange | :P |
| 00:28.55 | hellues | streuner, did you say to me * |
| 00:29.09 | streuner | yes |
| 00:29.12 | Knorrie | Stwange: you don't suppose that indeed, do you :D |
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| 00:29.15 | hellues | how is it |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | it is done |
| 00:29.23 | hellues | i can find any way :D |
| 00:29.27 | jelly-home | same old, same old |
| 00:29.31 | Stwange | heh |
| 00:29.35 | streuner | hellues: how about to use BIOS? |
| 00:29.44 | hellues | i dont know |
| 00:29.59 | jelly-home | abrotman, well done? |
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| 00:30.07 | abrotman | probably not |
| 00:30.10 | hellues | i have bios but i dont know anything about bios |
| 00:30.22 | Knorrie | Stwange: http://learn-telekinesis-training.com/coin-flip.php ? |
| 00:30.56 | Stwange | no that's not it Knorrie, thanks anyway :) |
| 00:30.56 | hellues | what did you mean how about use bios streuner i dont understand exactly i guess |
| 00:31.08 | Knorrie | Stwange: heh bummer |
| 00:31.40 | streuner | hellues: usually every modern BIOS has fan control |
| 00:31.44 | CaT[t3] | gah. I hate forgetting how to gen a csr. |
| 00:31.46 | hellues | hmm |
| 00:31.52 | hellues | check it out |
| 00:32.19 | hellues | strawks, |
| 00:32.22 | hellues | sorry |
| 00:32.27 | cva | I'm trying to turn off the screensaver/powersave feature while on the console. I've tried setterm -powersave off and setterm -powerdown 0 but my screen still blacks out after a period of time. Any idea what I may be missing? |
| 00:32.33 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: genrsa? |
| 00:32.34 | hellues | streuner, i dont have bus control in bios |
| 00:32.57 | simonrvn | CaT[t3]: CA.pl in /usr/lib/openssl or share/ |
| 00:33.23 | Knorrie | a CSR != a CA |
| 00:33.24 | streuner | hellues: just google for fan control Debian, |
| 00:33.41 | simonrvn | i know, but it can generate one |
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| 00:33.44 | Knorrie | ah ok |
| 00:33.48 | hellues | i use this type million type streuner |
| 00:33.52 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: ta :) |
| 00:33.57 | streuner | should be working via ACPI |
| 00:34.02 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: np |
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| 00:36.49 | Knorrie | Stwange: haha that story at the link i posted is really humorous, sorry i hilighted you about that |
| 00:37.11 | streuner | hellues: laptop? |
| 00:37.59 | streuner | gone |
| 00:39.18 | Knorrie | hm 02:39 here, /me get some sleep |
| 00:39.51 | Knorrie | sleep is like a mandatory, but effective way of being productive tomorrow |
| 00:40.00 | Knorrie | :) |
| 00:40.14 | streuner | you could be productive also at nights :-P |
| 00:40.25 | Knorrie | well i am atm |
| 00:40.30 | streuner | nm, night |
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| 00:40.49 | Knorrie | but not night and day continuously without sleep |
| 00:40.52 | Knorrie | it seems |
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| 00:41.08 | Knorrie | streuner: nn ;) |
| 00:41.16 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:43.27 | Saar | did ssh-vulnkey disappear? You have searched for filenames that contain ssh-vulnkey in suite etch, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results |
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| 00:44.32 | Knorrie | Saar: apt-file update |
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| 00:44.47 | Salz | how do i turn off the leds on my usb hub? |
| 00:44.48 | CrocoJet | "Abandonando todos os esforços para resolver essas dependências. |
| 00:44.48 | CrocoJet | Abortar. |
| 00:44.48 | CrocoJet | " gistei dessa |
| 00:44.52 | CrocoJet | gostei |
| 00:44.54 | Saar | hm? |
| 00:45.12 | Saar | there is no apt-file command afaik |
| 00:45.17 | Knorrie | CrocoJet: what you say? |
| 00:45.50 | Knorrie | Saar: where did you search for "filenames that contain ssh-vulnkey" ? |
| 00:46.12 | Saar | packages.debian.org |
| 00:46.25 | Saar | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ssh-vulnkey&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 00:47.20 | Knorrie | Saar: ah, it's in security.debian.org updates, i guess that packages are not in pdo |
| 00:48.05 | Saar | oddly enough when I upgrade a machine I did not yet upgrade it will not upgrade openssl, assuming it had the up to date version I tried ssh-vulnkey but it wasn't there, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade too, but it didn't download anything either |
| 00:48.12 | Saar | oh ok |
| 00:48.15 | Saar | hm |
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| 00:49.02 | Saar | hm i think that machine has a mistake in sources.list |
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| 00:49.34 | Knorrie | Saar: ssh-vulnkey get distributed with the openssh-client package, not with openssl |
| 00:49.50 | Knorrie | got/gets whatever |
| 00:50.47 | Saar | yes right, it didn't update that either, but I just found sources.list to have a slight mistake |
| 00:51.00 | civillian | regarding the openssl issue, do I need to re-create my CA and all associated certs?? |
| 00:51.14 | Saar | amazing how typing out my problems creates a solution automagically ;-) |
| 00:51.29 | Saar | wish other things in life went so smooth :-) |
| 00:51.29 | Knorrie | Saar: but even apt dist-upgrade not screaming about changes points at something other going on like wrong sources.lst indeed :) |
| 00:51.45 | Knorrie | Saar: heh o/ |
| 00:51.48 | Saar | yeah it had no security.debian entry |
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| 00:51.59 | Saar | gees, someone removed it it seems |
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| 00:53.58 | cva | to answer my own question, 'setterm -blank 0' will prevent the console from blanking out, if it's of use to anyone else |
| 00:54.00 | Knorrie | civillian: CA yes, if your CA key was generated with a `b0rk3d' ssl, and anyway, even if it's not, you need to ditch all private/public keypairs generated on a debian-or-derivative-system-:( |
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| 00:54.20 | civillian | Knorrie: dang |
| 00:54.34 | civillian | Knorrie: thanks |
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| 00:54.56 | Knorrie | civillian: yes, this is like our sysadmin worst-case nightmare of the century |
| 00:55.01 | Knorrie | civillian: :( |
| 00:55.13 | civillian | Knorrie: so true. I only have a few systems; any poor buggers that have many keys to check / fix? |
| 00:55.29 | Knorrie | civillian: lots of them |
| 00:55.34 | civillian | Knorrie: ouch |
| 00:55.50 | cva | I have around 40 myself, it's been a pain |
| 00:56.07 | Knorrie | has been busy for a week |
| 00:56.17 | Knorrie | bah |
| 00:56.36 | cva | yeah, not a sysadm freindly issue |
| 00:56.46 | civillian | wonders how many crackers have been rushing to implement backdoors |
| 00:57.21 | Knorrie | well, they're running at the moment |
| 00:57.27 | Knorrie | full-speed |
| 00:57.41 | Knorrie | sadly but true |
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| 01:00.43 | Knorrie | trying keys corresponding to known hashes |
| 01:00.48 | CaT[t3] | almost generated CSRs that were too small. forgot the 1024 at the end. |
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| 01:02.21 | dutchfish | Knorrie, got it solved running on 2.6.25.4 amd64 and no more segfaults in gdm :) |
| 01:02.25 | vir0z | someone konws how to change the font of firefox and other x apps? |
| 01:02.30 | Knorrie | reissued our company's ssl cert, this night (about 8 days too late) i got a notification from them saying "Linux Operating System Security Flaws May Have Compromised Your Certificates." |
| 01:02.53 | Knorrie | dutchfish: how? |
| 01:02.56 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: I'm getting my bought ones replaced right now. |
| 01:02.59 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: I'm getting my bought ones replaced right now. |
| 01:03.15 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: yeah |
| 01:03.45 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: needed to sort things out with the issuer first, else I'd've done it sooner. |
| 01:05.37 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: i guess they know about this debian brainfart now |
| 01:05.44 | dutchfish | Knorrie, recompiled fakeroot (after fixing) and compiled ati radeon from sid for HD 2400 XT, some minor stuff, and then it went ok :) |
| 01:06.05 | dutchfish | Knorrie, on lenny |
| 01:06.05 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: if they don't they need not to be in the business :) |
| 01:06.17 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: heh yes |
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| 01:07.13 | CaT[t3] | hits send... fly my pretty csrs, fly across the internet, FLY! |
| 01:07.14 | Knorrie | dutchfish: please file bug reports to the appropriate packages if it's to others concern |
| 01:07.25 | Knorrie | haha |
| 01:07.45 | dutchfish | Knorrie, its already filed but no fix (someone from redhat did already) |
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| 01:08.45 | Knorrie | dutchfish: seems you have the fix? |
| 01:08.52 | Knorrie | :) |
| 01:08.56 | dutchfish | Knorrie, yup |
| 01:09.34 | dutchfish | Knorrie, just fixed i stupid typo in the source (i am not that good) |
| 01:09.39 | Winkie | anyone used v9p? |
| 01:09.50 | Winkie | well v9fs |
| 01:10.00 | Winkie | looking for testimonals :) |
| 01:10.13 | dutchfish | !tell Winkie about ask |
| 01:10.20 | asg | hears the sounds of crickets |
| 01:10.24 | Seb | is there a way to limit a user to doing ssh via the authorized_keys extended syntax of recent sshd's ? |
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| 01:10.36 | Seb | to doing *scp* |
| 01:10.38 | Seb | sheesh |
| 01:10.39 | Winkie | dutchfish: yeah sorry i know it's a little non specific |
| 01:10.51 | Seb | !survey |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | well, survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 01:11.12 | Winkie | yeah fair point |
| 01:11.14 | asg | Seb: the 'scponly' package |
| 01:11.25 | Seb | asg: yeah, I used that on some boxes |
| 01:11.37 | Seb | asg: but for this one user, i'd like to give both rsync and scp pribileges |
| 01:11.47 | Salz | Seb: scp authorized_keys restricted.host:.ssh/authorized_keys :P |
| 01:11.51 | CaT[t3] | seb: use different keys for each command. |
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| 01:12.10 | Seb | asg: the 'command="/usr/bin/rsync" ssh-rsa ...' does it for rsync, but i can't do that for scp |
| 01:12.13 | Knorrie | Seb: or http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/articles/20030115.html |
| 01:12.20 | Seb | CaT[t3]: that's a little suboptimal, I'd rather avoid that |
| 01:12.26 | Knorrie | Seb: i use that myself |
| 01:12.31 | CaT[t3] | seb: it's the way to do it. |
| 01:12.49 | Knorrie | authprogs++ |
| 01:12.50 | CaT[t3] | seb: else how will ssh know what command to run at the remote end? |
| 01:13.12 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: authprogs :) |
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| 01:13.19 | asg | Seb: no, scp != ssh. scp is basically 'cat foo | ssh me@foo cat -> bar' |
| 01:13.23 | CaT[t3] | I detect something new in my life :) |
| 01:13.29 | Knorrie | heh |
| 01:13.30 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: authprogs? :) |
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| 01:13.44 | Salz | CaT[t3]: the command given to ssh is in an env var if you use command= |
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| 01:13.53 | Knorrie | hates having to sleep every day |
| 01:14.06 | asg | Knorrie: kill yourself ... sleep forever |
| 01:14.21 | dutchfish | going horizontal gnight |
| 01:14.30 | Seb | CaT[t3]: good point |
| 01:14.47 | Seb | asg: yeah I know, but there's no scp binary i can restrict the user to |
| 01:15.12 | fran | could you helpme install nvidia video drivers? i have compiled the last kernel and downoaded the .run from the nvidia page but module cant be compiled |
| 01:15.22 | asg | Seb: and why doesn't scponly not work in this case? |
| 01:15.33 | asg | fran: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 01:15.34 | nevyn | fran use m-a |
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| 01:16.25 | Seb | asg: because I also want him to be able to run rsync |
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| 01:16.47 | Knorrie | well actually i like to sleep alot |
| 01:16.47 | asg | Seb: then listen to CaT[t3] |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | compiled kernel? |
| 01:16.50 | lwizardl | Hi |
| 01:16.55 | lwizardl | anyone here have experience with setting up Linux POS (Point of Sale) machines ? |
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| 01:17.23 | AwesomeGuy | I'm trying to install a windows program in wine, but it says I need activex or something |
| 01:17.32 | AwesomeGuy | does that mean I can't use it |
| 01:17.53 | asg | AwesomeGuy: try #winehq |
| 01:17.58 | Seb | asg: yeah, I was just trying to make sure there wasn't anything better |
| 01:18.09 | AwesomeGuy | why isn't it just #wine... |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | ask them |
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| 01:18.43 | fran | asg , nevyn i already added non-free and contrib to apt sources but apt-get update doesnt seems to see the changes |
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| 01:19.03 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:19.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:19.21 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: if I read right, all authprogs does is do a ip <-> cmd set match and it wont help with ip <-> many different command sets. This right? |
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| 01:20.47 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: yes it does |
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| 01:21.00 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: erm. yes it does, which? :) |
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| 01:21.45 | Knorrie | CaT[t3]: just allow whatever exactly cmd you specify |
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| 01:22.39 | Knorrie | really sleep now |
| 01:22.45 | CaT[t3] | knorrie: night :) |
| 01:22.48 | Knorrie | nn |
| 01:23.04 | Seb | CaT[t3], Knorrie, asg: thanks guys |
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| 01:24.15 | CaT[t3] | seb: no worries. my backup server has a whole db full of happy-fun-keys for all the data it snargs (rsync, pgsql, etc). |
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| 01:30.08 | CaT[t3] | now to regen the signing cert, the 50+ certs and then go about replcaing them all over the place. |
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| 01:31.52 | quad3d-dbi | should lvm be created first or raid? |
| 01:32.02 | quad3d-dbi | raid5 setup |
| 01:32.03 | CaT[t3] | raid. |
| 01:32.57 | abrotman | depends |
| 01:33.34 | quad3d-dbi | yea, i'm getting a bit confused. this is a disk array with 3 more slots open and eventually going to get added |
| 01:33.45 | quad3d-dbi | right now have 12 300gbs |
| 01:33.57 | quad3d-dbi | want to have raid5 with one hot spare |
| 01:33.58 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | dvs: get your mind out of the gutter |
| 01:34.51 | dvs | abrotman: what? 12 hard drives is "in the gutter" |
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| 01:37.39 | quad3d-dbi | i take adding more disks to raid pool, that lvm should be able to resize |
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| 01:40.52 | quad3d-dbi | eventually they are going to add second brick. would need to add to the first lvm and expand the space. dang, i'm getting confused |
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| 01:59.22 | karsten | Knorrie: Try sleeping at night then ;-) |
| 02:00.19 | karsten | quad3d-dbi: IIUC, lvm doesn't resize, but extends a logical volume onto more physical volumes. |
| 02:00.31 | karsten | quad3d-dbi: You resize the actual filesystem on *top* of the LV. |
| 02:01.02 | karsten | quad3d-dbi: Mind: every time I deal with LVM I get a massive headache, it seems like a problem in search of a disaster. |
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| 02:01.35 | karsten | quad3d-dbi: That said, the LVM-HOWTO is among the better-written ones out there, and I *very* strongly recommend reading it if you're going to use that particular tool. |
| 02:01.55 | nevyn | lvm is awesome |
| 02:02.03 | stiv2k_ | can I use a command line to access a remote URL |
| 02:02.11 | nevyn | quad3d-dbi: yes you can do that. |
| 02:02.47 | nevyn | quad3d-dbi: raid first. |
| 02:03.05 | nevyn | quad3d-dbi: then LVM so you can carve up your raid5space |
| 02:03.19 | nevyn | quad3d-dbi: tho you may wish to create multiple raidsets for that many disks |
| 02:03.24 | stiv2k_ | I want to be able to have a script access this remote URL. It's not going to fetch any data or anything, it just needs to invoke the script. |
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| 02:04.12 | stiv2k_ | I'm not sure if wget is the right one for that |
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| 02:10.55 | kshah | I'm trying to set up BIND, which now starts properly, but I can't dig my domain or nslookup.. where should I start diagnosing this? /var/log/syslog isn't helping |
| 02:11.08 | lwizardl | anyone here have experience with setting up Linux POS (Point of Sale) machines ? |
| 02:11.37 | Dewi | kshah: so what does 'dig A @localhost domain.com' return? |
| 02:11.42 | lwizardl | karsten, you name looks familar to me, you a assembler member ? |
| 02:11.43 | Dewi | kshah: repeat for NS, etc |
| 02:11.56 | karsten | lwizardl: Nope. |
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| 02:12.15 | karsten | stiv2k_: *what* needs to invoke the scrip? |
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| 02:12.32 | kshah | Dewi: should I pastie the results? it looks like I"m getting everything returned normally |
| 02:12.33 | karsten | lwizardl: I'm familiar with a vendor "viewtouch", otherwise, I'd just suggest Google. |
| 02:12.36 | kshah | no "SERVFAIL" |
| 02:12.38 | kshah | or anything like that |
| 02:12.53 | Dewi | kshah: so what isn't working? |
| 02:13.10 | Dewi | kshah: connecting that into the internet's overarching DNS system ? |
| 02:13.20 | kshah | Dewi: i believe so |
| 02:13.26 | karsten | stiv2k_: Your script needs to test the existence of the URL, to retrieve data from it, or what? Presumably there's some sort of data transfer involved. More information needed. |
| 02:13.27 | kshah | since the same queries don't work on my local machine |
| 02:13.30 | kshah | it doesn't resolve |
| 02:14.04 | stiv2k_ | karsten: what I want to do is be able to invoke a script over http in the command line. |
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| 02:14.15 | Dewi | kshah: on your local (not server) try using +trace |
| 02:14.24 | karsten | kshah: 'dig' offers several levels of verbosity. Try setting/changing values in /etc/resolv.conf to ensure that the problem is with your BIND configuration and not yoru resolver library. Note that /etc/hosts and /etc/nsswitch.conf can also have impacts. |
| 02:14.25 | kshah | will do |
| 02:14.27 | stiv2k_ | karsten: im not trying to retrieve or submit any data, but rather it is going to do its own internal actions whenever its called |
| 02:14.34 | Dewi | kshah: this makes dig simulate the series of recursive queries through the internet as a whole |
| 02:14.41 | Dewi | kshah: can help you see the point of breakage |
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| 02:14.51 | karsten | stiv2k_: The script is maintained locally or the script is the data in the URL? |
| 02:14.52 | kshah | k |
| 02:15.03 | karsten | stiv2k_: Sorry, but your question simply doesn't make sense as I read it. |
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| 02:15.13 | stiv2k_ | karsten: its ok, |
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| 02:16.02 | karsten | stiv2k_: If you want to run commands as the result of an HTTP query, say, bash: curl http://example.com/somescript | bash |
| 02:16.29 | karsten | stiv2k_: Otherwise, a bit more information on where the sxcript is, what the URL is, what's returned when querying the URL, etc., would be helpful. |
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| 02:16.48 | karsten | stiv2k_: Note that running remote commands w/o some sort of validation is generally considered Very Poor Form. |
| 02:17.02 | kshah | HA! ns1.mydomain.com is port 80 |
| 02:17.06 | kshah | it is working.. in a way |
| 02:17.07 | stiv2k_ | karsten: yeah it is |
| 02:17.10 | kshah | I only have 1 IP |
| 02:17.11 | karsten | stiv2k_: Serious security implications as you're now implicitly trusting both the remote host _and_ the communications channel. |
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| 02:17.56 | stiv2k_ | karsten: my idea has a lot to do with subversion |
| 02:18.08 | stiv2k_ | karsten: i dont know if you use that or not |
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| 02:18.34 | kshah | Dewi: thanks, the +trace let me know everything was okay.. well in a way, port 80 is - ns1.mydomain.com |
| 02:19.01 | bitweiler | good day Debheads =) |
| 02:19.17 | AljosHa | hi:) |
| 02:19.27 | karsten | stiv2k_: I've heard of it. |
| 02:19.47 | Dewi | kshah: +trace doesn't always behave 100% the same as a recursive lookup... because a recursive lookup takes place across half a dozen machines, and with +trace I think you are always the client instead of each machine in turn |
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| 02:19.57 | AljosHa | karrotx are you from germany? |
| 02:20.00 | AljosHa | karsten * |
| 02:20.04 | Dewi | kshah: but yeah it definitely helps visualise how it happens |
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| 02:20.12 | karsten | stiv2k_: Anyhow, I'm tired of 20 questions and vagueness. Enjoy. |
| 02:20.19 | karsten | AljosHa: No, and no. |
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| 02:20.24 | AljosHa | ok:) |
| 02:20.42 | AljosHa | nice host anyway |
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| 02:24.28 | ben_h | hi all |
| 02:25.02 | ale666 | my mail sent from my localhost ends up in the spam folder of gmail, can anyone help, thank you. |
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| 02:26.07 | stiv2k_ | karsten: ;) |
| 02:26.26 | dendrite | ale666: And this is a Debian question ... How? |
| 02:27.18 | ale666 | where do you think i could ask it? I have a debian distrib |
| 02:27.33 | dendrite | ale666: Go ask Google. |
| 02:28.20 | Mordbrann | where did bt878 go in the last deb kernel? |
| 02:28.58 | ale666 | dendrite: i whish google had the answer but after having searched the whole afternoon had no solution |
| 02:29.15 | ben_h | try the channel for the MTA you're using. |
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| 02:30.49 | dendrite | Google is a PITA. |
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| 02:34.02 | kelvinq_ | hello. i'm switching from Ubuntu to Debian because I found Ubuntu to be "too aggressive". |
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| 02:34.38 | kelvinq_ | unfortunately, i am using a laptop. thinkpad r51. how do i ensure that my laptop is well supported without cutting edge packages? |
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| 02:35.03 | dendrite | kelvinq_: That's an interesting way of putting it. You look at the linux-laptops site? |
| 02:35.06 | kelvinq_ | stability is important as i'm running some server software (apache, ssh) |
| 02:35.19 | kelvinq_ | hi dend, yes, i've looked at it. |
| 02:35.38 | kelvinq_ | to me, the most important is cpu_stepping and acpi. |
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| 02:36.04 | dendrite | kelvinq_: That's probably as good as any info you'll get, unless someone here has the exact same machine... |
| 02:36.19 | pjv | is there a way to convert flv files into avi |
| 02:36.40 | karsten | pjv: That's audio or video? |
| 02:36.40 | kelvinq_ | dend: alright. i'm doing a network install now using the 180MB cd. are there any gotchas? |
| 02:36.54 | pjv | karsten: video |
| 02:37.22 | karsten | pjv: Not sure of a commandline converter, but one of the video tools - Kino IIRC, may be able to recode. You'll likely lose quite a bit in the process. |
| 02:37.23 | bitweiler | can linux read ffs file systems or ufs file systems |
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| 02:38.07 | kshah | 180 mb install ftw |
| 02:38.13 | pjv | karsten: kool ty |
| 02:38.21 | dendrite | kelvinq_: No clue. I have a t61 that runs etch OK, though I had to rebuild alsa, and the edgy wireless is yet unsupported, as is the nvidia video. Since I run xen on that machine, I didn't bother with cpu-stepping or acpi. |
| 02:38.25 | unixSnob | Is it possible to comment resolve.conf files and not interfere with the parser? |
| 02:38.48 | nvz | what would be the simplest light virus scanner for me to chck some files on an XP drive before I burn them to DVD to be put back onto another windows machine? there are a few now in debian and I'm not sure how cumbersome they are or if they find windows viruses |
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| 02:39.13 | karsten | unixSnob: IIRC only the first three nameserver lines are read. I prefer making backup files. |
| 02:39.22 | CompWizrd | nvz: clamscan works quite nicely |
| 02:39.26 | Crayzie | avg for windows |
| 02:39.31 | karsten | bitweiler: ufs, yes, ffs, not sure. Check the 'fs' tree of kernel source. |
| 02:39.37 | karsten | bitweiler: ... or JFGI |
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| 02:39.47 | karsten | nvz: clamscan |
| 02:39.48 | ben_h | i have a couple of servers that have openssl-0.9.8e installed, which has the ssl vuln in it. I need to 'downgrade' to 0.9.8c-4etch3 - anyone know a clean way to do this? |
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| 02:39.56 | ben_h | or should i just manually install 0.9.8c-4etch3 via dpkg? |
| 02:40.07 | nvz | Crayzie: I'm not on windows I'm just getting some files off an old windows drive to burn onto dvd and be put into a new windows system |
| 02:40.21 | Crayzie | ah, my bad |
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| 02:40.36 | ben_h | nvz: i'd install Kaspersky on the new windows system and scan the DVD before you copy it across |
| 02:40.39 | dendrite | ben_h: Any reason to not just go to the most recent version? |
| 02:40.44 | ben_h | it has the best detection rate I know of |
| 02:40.54 | ben_h | dendrite: 0.9.8e has the ssl flaw in it. |
| 02:40.57 | nvz | karsten: thats what I used before but I didn't know if aegis or one of the others might be lighter or better for windows drives or something |
| 02:41.25 | nvz | I don't really need/want a virus scanner I just want to check these files before I give someone a DVD with a virus |
| 02:41.52 | nvz | windows pcs are a PITA |
| 02:41.55 | ben_h | amen |
| 02:42.01 | Crayzie | true |
| 02:44.03 | unixSnob | karsten: thanks |
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| 02:48.09 | Ryan52 | I have a pdf file. My pdf file has words in it. How can I get those words to somewhere where I can edit it? (preferably openoffice) |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | pdf2txt? |
| 02:48.33 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 02:49.36 | kelvinq_ | hi dend, thanks. |
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| 02:51.17 | karsten | nvz: clamscan isn't the fastest thing under the sun but seems to work. If you're doing a whole drive or directory tree at least you avoid the startup initialization overhead for each file. |
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| 02:52.53 | nvz | karsten: well he says he just wants his files that he's taken off his camera over the period he had the pc.. but thats pics and vids that take up a lot of space and I got my whole hd full so I gotta basically take em right off his drive onto dvd and I just want it to be clean |
| 02:53.18 | nvz | I'm gonna try talk him into giving me this hd its a 100gb and thats 100gb I don't have right now |
| 02:53.44 | Ryan52 | abrotman: umm...its a windows proprietary program...or is there a free program with the same name? |
| 02:53.55 | nvz | its a seagate ... I'm a little worried about putting any important data on it.. heh |
| 02:54.00 | nvz | those drives always seem to die |
| 02:54.22 | PaulBrando | Partitioning question: When I install Debian, I want to set up partitions for /var and /tmp (as well as home), and have another partition that I can use to sample other distros. I have 200 gig, how big should /var and /tmp be, and can 2 different distros share /var and /tmp? |
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| 02:55.00 | se7en | Ryan52: the name is pdftotext |
| 02:55.04 | snogglethorpe | nvz: hmm i've got a seagate scsi drive that's been going strong for like 10 years |
| 02:55.10 | Ryan52 | ah |
| 02:55.22 | nvz | snogglethorpe: yeah I'm talking ide |
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| 02:55.31 | Ryan52 | PaulBrando: /var cant be shared. /tmp can be if you clear it at startup |
| 02:55.33 | dendrite | PaulBrando: Use LVM. |
| 02:55.43 | nvz | snogglethorpe: I've seen way too many dead for no good reason |
| 02:55.43 | pr0t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:56.29 | dendrite | PaulBrando: Though I guess LVM might complicate tasting some other distros... |
| 02:56.43 | enouf | PaulBrando: by default, i believe /tmp is cleared - setting is TMPTIME= in /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | Ryan52: huh? |
| 02:56.52 | PaulBrando | Ryan52: ok thank you - there is a plethora of tutorials about setting up /home, but I'm not getting the kind of info out there for the /var and /tmp partitioning dendrite: I'll have to look up LVM |
| 02:57.14 | enouf | PaulBrando: rgrep TMPTIME /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:57.19 | pr0t | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.35 | Ryan52 | abrotman: nvm |
| 02:58.04 | enouf | PaulBrando: search older googlgroups usenet group posts in comp.os.linux.* and .unix and .bash such |
| 02:58.08 | PaulBrando | enouf: thank you I will write that down for when I go for it, so as long as I have that set up to clear, would you say it is to my advantage to just use one /tmp or should I set up two anyway |
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| 02:58.50 | enouf | PaulBrando: well, doesn't matter to use 2 unless you don't want one cleared, and/or you need diff mount options or perms for /tmp |
| 02:59.24 | PaulBrando | enouf, anyone: and how big should I set up /tmp and /var to be? |
| 02:59.57 | abrotman | 42! |
| 03:00.22 | enouf | well, that depends .. i use the whole / and all dirs in less than 8.4 GB fine, but i have other disk storage too - and for things like DVD copying/burning, i told the app to use my large storage drive as /tmp |
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| 03:01.07 | enouf | PaulBrando: review the installation guide for other general info .. might be some nice tidbiut sin it |
| 03:01.12 | enouf | er tidbits* |
| 03:01.25 | enouf | hike! |
| 03:01.26 | karsten | nvz: Dig. |
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| 03:02.21 | PaulBrando | see I barely use half of the hard drive, so I want to get just the ultimate partition setup that should be flexible enough for future needs, without me having to wipe everything again. Wish I would have just set it up right when I went back to set up /home.... |
| 03:02.30 | karsten | PaulBrando: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 03:02.34 | karsten | PaulBrando: Written by some guy. |
| 03:02.43 | astro76 | PaulBrando: lately I've been using 1GB /tmp and 3GB /var, prob overkill but have lots of disk too ;) |
| 03:02.47 | enouf | PaulBrando: well, then maybe LVM is for you - but it can be complicated to someone not familiar with it |
| 03:03.00 | karsten | PaulBrando: /tmp: 1-2 GB if you do a lot of ripping, down to a few hundred MB usually works. |
| 03:03.02 | enouf | haha @ some guy |
| 03:03.14 | karsten | PaulBrando: /var: 4+ GB |
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| 03:03.39 | karsten | PaulBrando: Do *not* share /var. Sharing /tmp should be fine. |
| 03:03.41 | enouf | karsten: some DVD reauthoring warez use up to 18G for transcoding/etc |
| 03:03.47 | PaulBrando | karsten: Thank you this looks good. some guy knows what he is talking about.... |
| 03:04.11 | karsten | enouf: OK. I haven't played with that yet. I could just point that at /dev/shm and use the 24GB swap I've allocated. |
| 03:04.16 | enouf | PaulBrando: make it bigger, you can always shrink more easy than grow |
| 03:04.26 | karsten | enouf: ... wait, no, /dev/shm is only 50% of RAM. Nevermind. |
| 03:04.27 | PaulBrando | astro76: thank you, yeah I'd rather be safe then sorry, not worried bout overkill |
| 03:04.33 | enouf | (in general) |
| 03:04.44 | enouf | IOW, err on the side of too large |
| 03:05.27 | karsten | PaulBrando: Growth rate is something else to take into consideration, and I've seen storage grow at about 100% every 3-4 years, for the basic OS and partitioning. |
| 03:05.32 | enouf | karsten: haha 24GB swap - but if i know you, that's all Fiber/InfiniBand and/or SAS |
| 03:05.41 | enouf | and RAID |
| 03:06.04 | karsten | enouf: Just a couple of big partitions I ended up with on my 2x500 GB SATA drives. |
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| 03:06.09 | PaulBrando | So if I just gave them each 5 GB (/tmp and /var) that should be just fine for moderate needs? |
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| 03:06.46 | karsten | PaulBrando: Yeah. |
| 03:07.04 | enouf | sure, that seems fine - maybe give /tmp more - but if have other HDDs don't worry too much |
| 03:07.06 | karsten | PaulBrando: The high end of that configuration is what I used on the new box. |
| 03:07.53 | PaulBrando | SHould I also just create another 10-20GB partition for the helluvit, just in case I have some other crazy scheme to try? I only use about 80 gb as it stands... |
| 03:08.16 | karsten | PaulBrando: The *simplest* configuration is just / and swap. That's pretty much how we go at work, with perhaps /tmp and /scratch split out. |
| 03:08.34 | stiv2k_ | how can I have my server creat an SSH tunnel and keep it open without me having to have a session open |
| 03:08.39 | karsten | PaulBrando: Sure. I figure a /system2 partition for booting into in the event of emergencies can be useful. |
| 03:08.49 | karsten | stiv2k_: clients create ssh tunnels, not servers. |
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| 03:09.48 | karsten | stiv2k_: You can fork some program and hold the channel. You'll also probably want to enable keep-alives. |
| 03:09.48 | stiv2k_ | karsten: yes well in this case the machine is 'my server' and i want 'it' to create a tunnel to a different machine as a 'client' |
| 03:09.50 | PaulBrando | karsten: yeah, I started with a simple configuration, then went back and set up the /home, which was helpful, but I still lose my NetHack scores and stuff, so thats why I've been looking at the /var |
| 03:10.31 | Ryan52 | PaulBrando: have part of the separate vars be a symlink to another partition that you mount somewhere else. |
| 03:10.33 | karsten | PaulBrando: /, /boot, /usr, /tmp, /var, /home, /usr/local, and a few odds-and-ends, myself. Mostly to control mount options and localize damage (if it occurs). |
| 03:10.58 | nevyn | bah all in one partition |
| 03:11.03 | unixSnob | Bushmills: you said earlier that CF media does not have wear handling, iirc. Would you elaborate on that? I'm getting conflicting info out on the web, but most articles state that CF cards do have wear leveling |
| 03:11.08 | nevyn | if you're really paranoid setup quotas |
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| 03:11.26 | karsten | stiv2k_: Just run the tunnel in a shell. If you don't fork it, it'll stay up. If you're concerned about losing the tunnel, run in a loop. |
| 03:11.33 | enouf | plota: one more word about partitions, i you go with standard msdos labeling (4 Primary only - or 3 +1 Ext'd) always make the Ext'd one as hda4/sda4 meaning lastly, after all 3 Primaries are made - then make the Ext'd to encompass rest of disk (wherein you create your logicals - however many you like) |
| 03:11.36 | enouf | gah |
| 03:11.44 | enouf | PaulBrando: i meant yuo , not plota |
| 03:12.00 | karsten | PaulBrando: What enouf said WRT primary/extended. |
| 03:12.38 | karsten | nevyn: Anyhow, I explain the rational at the linked page. |
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| 03:13.35 | stiv2k_ | karsten: but if i open the tunnel then it will give me the SSH session on the remote machine, which I dont want |
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| 03:14.01 | enouf | s/i/if |
| 03:15.20 | karsten | stiv2k_: The tunnel needs _something_ running on the remote side. What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 03:15.42 | karsten | stiv2k_: Alternatives include tor, socat, and netcat. |
| 03:16.04 | nevyn | karsten: there are a bunch of good reasons to split up your system into multiple filesystems.. most of them don't apply to the scale of systems people here deal with. |
| 03:16.21 | karsten | nevyn: RTFA |
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| 03:16.29 | lkthomas_ | hey guys |
| 03:16.38 | lkthomas_ | how could I use ftp command to download the whole dir ? |
| 03:16.49 | karsten | lkthomas_: lftp: 'mirror' |
| 03:17.01 | enouf | unixSnob: newer ones do, specific to Manu or whatever |
| 03:17.05 | PaulBrando | enouf: I'm sorry if I misunderstood this, when you say msdos labeling, does that matter if I'm not running windows? If all my partitions are Ext3? |
| 03:17.09 | karsten | lkthomas_: I think ncftp has a similar command, but I prefer lftp. |
| 03:17.37 | stiv2k_ | karsten: Im not trying to obtain anonymity |
| 03:17.56 | karsten | PaulBrando: MS DOS introduced the concept of primary and extended disk partitions. You're allowed up to four primary partitions, one or more of which may be extended (containing additional partitions). |
| 03:18.03 | stiv2k_ | karsten: I want machine A to access MySQL from remote machine B via an SSH tunnel |
| 03:18.15 | stiv2k_ | karsten: where machines A and B are both 'servers' |
| 03:18.22 | karsten | PaulBrando: Convention is to define three primary partitions on 1-3, and set 4 as extended, holding partitions 5+. |
| 03:19.02 | enouf | PaulBrando: what karsten said - it has really nothing to do with windows, just terminology , forget i said msdos |
| 03:19.09 | nevyn | karsten: ok we disagree. |
| 03:19.13 | karsten | stiv2k_: So create an ssh tunnel. |
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| 03:19.28 | PaulBrando | karsten, enouf: ahh ok so set up 3 primaries, and then set up the last one to encompass the rest? |
| 03:19.35 | karsten | nevyn: No. I say, under "How many partitions", "First, you only *need* one". |
| 03:19.50 | stiv2k_ | karsten: and what happens if i close the terminal? |
| 03:19.56 | enouf | PaulBrando: a decent site about all stuff like this is pcguide.com, and wikipedia.org |
| 03:20.10 | karsten | nevyn: I'm aware of what is common and typical practice. I'm also aware of the benefits (and disadvantages) of more complex partitioning. |
| 03:20.10 | BubbaT | How do I remove a package and all the packages depending on it? |
| 03:20.11 | nevyn | symlinking opt to /usr/local is in violation of the FHS aiui and spliting your swap is going to lead to increased seeking for reading pages imho. |
| 03:20.24 | karsten | stiv2k_: Run as a cronjob, run as a screen session, etc. |
| 03:20.39 | ben_h | i just installed an older version of a package, and how things that depend on it are broken. anyone know how to downgrade packages that depend on a certain package to the most recent compatible version? |
| 03:20.48 | karsten | stiv2k_: The tunnel doesn't have to be tied to a console. Might even make it part of your database startup / invocation script. |
| 03:20.54 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 03:20.54 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 03:20.55 | PaulBrando | enouf: thank you |
| 03:21.14 | ben_h | :| |
| 03:21.17 | ben_h | thanks karrotx |
| 03:21.18 | ben_h | karsten: |
| 03:21.27 | lkthomas_ | ok, using lftp mirror command, thanks |
| 03:21.29 | enouf | PaulBrando: yep .. that's how i'd do it - if you leave any space unallocated in your total of 4 (3 Primaries + Ext'd) then you can;t use that space, ever, until you atleast redo your partitions |
| 03:21.54 | karsten | nevyn: No. FHS says you must _have_ certain directories. I symlink /usr/local/opt to /opt BTW. Where the directory is physically located and/or linked to is outside FHS. |
| 03:22.11 | nevyn | /usr/local/opt is different to /opt |
| 03:22.23 | enouf | PaulBrando: the Ext'd holds Logical partition, numbers start at 5, so hda5, hda6, etc for ex |
| 03:22.33 | karsten | nevyn: Not if /opt points there, and /usr/local is by definition, user-defineable. |
| 03:22.33 | enouf | partitions* |
| 03:23.15 | nevyn | /opt is for third party packaged software. so under the control of the package management system but not from the OS vendor. |
| 03:23.21 | karsten | nevyn: Not *having* /opt would violate FHS. Symlinking it elsewhere doesn't. |
| 03:23.31 | karsten | nevyn: You got that backward. |
| 03:23.39 | enouf | PaulBrando: this is ATA/IDE/PATA/SATA MS-DOS related info, doesn't apply tp ALL types of Disks and Interfaces, but you likelyt don't need to worry about the others |
| 03:23.46 | karsten | nevyn: /opt: vendor-specific packages, _not_ the OS package management. |
| 03:24.04 | stiv2k_ | karsten: i see |
| 03:24.25 | karsten | nevyn: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES |
| 03:24.49 | enouf | PaulBrando: good info / good tool http://gparted.sourceforge.net/documentation.php |
| 03:25.02 | enouf | (should you ever need one) |
| 03:25.13 | enouf | sure np |
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| 03:25.49 | PaulBrando | enouf: Excellent, excellent, thank you. I appreciate the info. Like I say, just want to get it right for (hopefully) the final time so I don't have to reformat, etc., reimport music. I will look at now. |
| 03:26.04 | \amethyst | karsten: technically, distributions may install stuff in /opt (last paragraph before the rationale), though debian doesn't |
| 03:26.12 | PaulBrando | Well thank you karsten, enouf, Ryan52, everyone - nice to bounce this off live ears before I do anything |
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| 03:26.33 | karsten | nevyn: Note that in FHS, the filesystem is a logical construct, independent of the underlying storage. You could have elements of the filesystem on local fixed storage, RAMDISK, removeable storage, networked storage, etc. |
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| 03:26.52 | karsten | \amethyst: Conceded, but the key is that it's for vendor-specific crap. |
| 03:27.17 | enouf | BubbaT: if it was installed with aptitude, use the purge option, if not you can use debfoster and deborphan to weed out pkgs that are just "hanging around" |
| 03:27.23 | \amethyst | karsten: I think nevyn was originally referring to making /opt == /usr/local , which would indeed cause problems with the FHS |
| 03:27.45 | karsten | \amethyst: Not technically. |
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| 03:28.27 | karsten | \amethyst: As it's a consolidation of the namespace. Proper user of /opt is /opt/<vendor>/<package> |
| 03:29.14 | karsten | \amethyst: so your standard bin doc include info lib man, etc., would not be affected. You are still providing /opt, you've just consolidated it with /usr/local. I *do* prefer /usr/local/opt/ |
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| 03:30.06 | ampex | does anyone know what determines the order of the output of `ip link` ? |
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| 03:30.20 | Miesco | Where did the "gq" ldap program go? |
| 03:30.24 | Miesco | Its obsolete? |
| 03:30.32 | Miesco | What ldap program do I use then? |
| 03:30.36 | Miesco | client |
| 03:30.39 | \amethyst | karsten: the problem is that vendor packages are allowed to put links in, for example, /opt/bin |
| 03:30.48 | \amethyst | karsten: when they wouldn't be allowed to touch /usr/local/bin |
| 03:31.47 | nevyn | the point is that the intersection of FHS and debian policy makes symlinking /opt to /usr/local/bin a bad idea |
| 03:32.08 | \amethyst | karsten: but I suppose that isn't a violation if the admin is aware of the consequences and in fact desires them |
| 03:33.05 | \amethyst | karsten: ah, no, I misunderstood... packages can provide stuff to be linked into /opt/bin, but they're not supposed to install the links themselves |
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| 03:34.12 | karsten | What I *am* seeing that's causing hell with filesystems is: 1) rampant use of (unreliable) NFS, applications with their own virtual filesystems (eg: eCloud, IBM's source control). We're literally running out of mountpoints / filesystems (256 max IIRC) on work hosts. |
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| 03:34.42 | karsten | \amethyst: I agree w/ your assessment: if the admin's OK with it, it's OK. Just that the namespace needs to be defined. And yes. |
| 03:34.50 | karsten | nevyn: Why? |
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| 03:35.16 | karsten | nevyn: Debian doesn't touch _either_ /usr/local (other than to create certain subdirs) *or* /opt |
| 03:35.44 | nevyn | Debian doesn't but aiui a vendor deb may install in /opt but NOT in /usr/local |
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| 03:35.56 | karsten | nevyn: So long as you utilize a consistent underlying storage configuration, there's nothing wrong with putting /opt under /usr/local, and if that makes your / clean and avoids another partition, so much the better. |
| 03:36.08 | karsten | nevyn: It *is* installing to /opt. |
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| 03:36.18 | karsten | nevyn: The *admin* has mapped /opt to be under /usr/local. |
| 03:36.29 | nevyn | ok fair point |
| 03:36.31 | karsten | nevyn: The error would be a vendor installing to /usr/local/opt. |
| 03:36.32 | \amethyst | nevyn: karsten is talking about making /opt a *subdirectory* of /usr/local, not equal to it |
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| 03:37.18 | nevyn | karsten: I still think lots of partitions leads to evil symlink hell wne you run out of space on this one or that one |
| 03:37.35 | nevyn | and unless they're different physical devices I don't think it's a benifit. |
| 03:38.27 | stew | nevyn: it needn't be that way these days with resizable filesystems and lvm |
| 03:38.36 | Miesco | Seriously what am I suppost to use as a GUI to manage my LDAP database? |
| 03:38.55 | nevyn | stew: shrinking filesystems is still not trustworthy for production use. |
| 03:39.26 | nevyn | I strongly favor setting quota's on sections of / (which are far more mutable) than seperate volumes |
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| 03:39.41 | stew | nevyn: you were talking about running out of space, which would call for growing, not srinking |
| 03:40.05 | nevyn | stew: the problem is that invariably you end up with no space in var and too much space in /usr or some such |
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| 03:40.19 | stew | oh |
| 03:40.27 | Miesco | Oh, "lat" program works :) |
| 03:40.32 | nevyn | so yeah you have to shrink a filesystem |
| 03:40.40 | stew | if that is always the way it ends up, someone isn't learning from mistakes |
| 03:41.01 | stew | i still don't see why you have to shrink usr if var runs out of space |
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| 03:42.07 | karsten | nevyn: That's a downside of extensive partitioning, yes. |
| 03:42.24 | nevyn | stew: the point is using partitions or lvm volumes to perform application storage limiting is inflexible and quotas provide the same benifit while remaining mutable |
| 03:42.46 | karsten | nevyn: My recommendations are based on ten years of experience w/ Debian (and other distros), and factor in a noted growth rate. |
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| 03:43.11 | karsten | nevyn: The upside is that you can contain specific bits of data, kill out-of-control processes rapidly (eg: a small /tmp can be a *good* thing) and preserve vital system operations. |
| 03:43.24 | nevyn | I agree that not being able to boot your system because spam filled / because /var was part of / and not quota'd is bad |
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| 03:43.29 | karsten | nevyn: ... and set specific permissions, options, etc., for maximal performance and security. |
| 03:44.00 | karsten | Right. So: you've got a balance of needs. And as I say: you only need _one_ partition (you don't even need swap, you can use swapfiles). |
| 03:44.04 | stew | creating partitions to limit the amount of room you have would be a poor reason to create lots of partitions |
| 03:44.35 | karsten | nevyn: ... and the swapfile performance hit is apparently pretty low now. |
| 03:44.51 | karsten | stew: I _do_ believe in a reasonably limited /tmp. |
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| 03:44.54 | heavensrevenge | hello? |
| 03:44.58 | nevyn | karsten: unix admins making small /tmps has lead to EVIL Crap like gimp doing ~/.gimpswap |
| 03:45.03 | karsten | stew: I throw the balance of storage for a desktop system at /home. |
| 03:45.05 | karsten | Heh. |
| 03:45.15 | karsten | heavensrevenge: If you've got a question, just ask. |
| 03:45.26 | heavensrevenge | ha of course |
| 03:45.55 | heavensrevenge | well i was using YAWS as a webserver fine, on port 8080, but im trying apache2, and port 80 is ok in my lan, but not outside available |
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| 03:46.16 | heavensrevenge | is there any interesting reason as a debian default port 80 doesnt work? |
| 03:46.20 | nevyn | so when you're in a environment with nfs /home gimp performs really badly. |
| 03:46.37 | karsten | heavensrevenge: Likely your firewall or ISP are filtering port 80. |
| 03:46.45 | heavensrevenge | hmmmm |
| 03:47.04 | heavensrevenge | im going to try a redirect from like 8080 to 80 locally |
| 03:47.09 | karsten | heavensrevenge: Or a beaver's stuck in the port. |
| 03:47.12 | heavensrevenge | cuz its seems stupid |
| 03:47.18 | karsten | heavensrevenge: You can set Apache to listen to multiple ports. |
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| 03:47.32 | heavensrevenge | oh, um, by ports.conf? |
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| 03:47.47 | karsten | heavensrevenge: But yeah, running on a nonstandar port is a pretty common hack for dialup/cable users. |
| 03:47.48 | Miesco | How do I back up my ldap database? |
| 03:47.52 | heavensrevenge | yes im a pure apache noob |
| 03:47.58 | nevyn | karsten: if you know from the outset exactly what the system is going to be doing and what it's load points are going to be then there may be benifit in suitable seperate partitioning however in the general case I think it leads to more problems than it solves. |
| 03:48.06 | karsten | heavensrevenge: Not sure, I'm not much w/ apache2, though the docs are pretty good. |
| 03:48.20 | heavensrevenge | ok then |
| 03:48.27 | heavensrevenge | ill try some stuff :P |
| 03:49.06 | karsten | nevyn: I _do_ believe my article pretty much lays out the benefits of both minimal and somewhat more explicit partitioning, and gives some useful bounds on range and size. |
| 03:49.26 | karsten | nevyn: As I said: the information's based on quite a bit of experience, not just desktop. |
| 03:50.15 | karsten | heavensrevenge: Port scanning your IP from the outside is a good way to test, or you can ask what your ISP's policy is on running servers and/or port filtering. Sometimes they'll open stuff up for you if you ask nicely. Or you'll be told to buy a business account (usually 2-10x more expensive). |
| 03:50.32 | karsten | heavensrevenge: Boutique ISPs can also be a good bet. |
| 03:50.41 | heavensrevenge | ah, hmm |
| 03:50.50 | heavensrevenge | im just going to try and be sly about it ;) |
| 03:51.00 | karsten | heavensrevenge: Locally, a company called "Rawbandwidth" which sells, well, raw bandwidth. |
| 03:51.41 | heavensrevenge | coolness, well i just want to get apache goin:P |
| 03:51.50 | heavensrevenge | a forum can come later for personal testing |
| 03:52.19 | karsten | nevyn: All this argument is over the comments in the 3rd paragraph, in bold, at the very top of the FAQ. |
| 03:56.00 | karsten | nevyn: What's starting to interest me are external NAS storage units offering several TB worth of attachable storage for about $1-2k. |
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| 03:58.33 | Ish | Alright I've googled this and I feel retarded. How do I go about finding the path to a binary? Specifically I need to configure something to use the path to my openssl binary. |
| 03:58.38 | heavensrevenge | bah |
| 03:58.41 | heavensrevenge | still nothing |
| 03:59.15 | karsten | Ish: 'which <foo>' or 'chase $( which <foo> )' |
| 03:59.27 | heavensrevenge | YAWS worked fine tho |
| 03:59.42 | karsten | Ish: 'chase' will follow symlinks to the true binary, particularly for stuff set up via 'alternatives'. |
| 04:00.05 | karsten | Ish: 'dpkg -L <package>' will list all files in a package, which may also help you. |
| 04:00.37 | nevyn | Ish: there's also env which may be useful if you can't garuntee it's always in the same place |
| 04:01.00 | Ish | Thank you very much karsten and nevyn |
| 04:01.04 | Ish | I will try those methods |
| 04:01.38 | karsten | nevyn: Doesn't that rely on being able to find the executable on your path in the first place? |
| 04:01.48 | karsten | nevyn: I never really understood 'env' in that regard. |
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| 04:02.34 | nevyn | karsten: yeah it does but. it's commonly used to make "portable" scripts |
| 04:02.55 | Ish | Alright, now what will a binary's extension be? |
| 04:03.01 | nevyn | so #!/bin/env python because nobody knows where it will be |
| 04:03.09 | karsten | nevyn: Dig. |
| 04:03.20 | karsten | Ish: In general, it isn't. |
| 04:03.26 | Ish | I've got |
| 04:03.40 | Ish | /urs/bin/openssl |
| 04:03.48 | karsten | Ish: Binaries are simply files with an executable attribute set. 'file' will generally tell you that they're ELF executables. |
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| 04:03.54 | karsten | Ish: That'd be it. |
| 04:04.01 | Ish | Awesome |
| 04:04.12 | Ish | From experience /bin stuff is usually what I'm looking for |
| 04:04.26 | karsten | Ish: Other options are scripts, various bytecode interpreters, and sometimes EXEs (with a .exe extension) for WINE or MONO. |
| 04:04.46 | Ish | Sorry, I'm really a n00b at this stuff. I rented a VPS and am just doing a crash course on sys admin stuff. |
| 04:04.59 | karsten | Ish: Executables should be in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin, or 'sbin' at same locations for systems administration binaries. |
| 04:05.12 | karsten | Ish: NP. I was there once. |
| 04:05.24 | Ish | Is this linux in general, or Debian specifically? |
| 04:05.29 | PaulBrando | karsten: your partitioning FAQ rocks - funny I think this is what I stumbled on a while ago that got me looking into setting up a /tmp and /var, but I wasn't sure about how big I should make them ... cool timing on the update :) I got lucky.. |
| 04:06.02 | karsten | Heh. |
| 04:06.24 | karsten | PaulBrando: yeah, I've decided to revise it particularly since the site that it migrated to has been offline for a few years. |
| 04:06.32 | karsten | PaulBrando: Actually revising it now as we speak. |
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| 04:07.42 | PaulBrando | karsten: funny how storage space changes, and yet, we were saying the same thing in 2000 |
| 04:08.10 | karsten | PaulBrando: One of the more durable of the O'Reilly books is the Unix system performance tuning book. |
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| 04:08.48 | karsten | PaulBrando: The only thing that's changed sigificantly has been the numbers, which 18 years later are about 4,096 times bigger. The principles are still the same. |
| 04:09.23 | Ish | SSL-Support: No openssl found. Get openssl at www.openssl.org |
| 04:09.28 | Ish | Tut. |
| 04:09.37 | karsten | PaulBrando: Also note that the cost of misallocating a few GB of storage is less that $0.50/GB these days. |
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| 04:10.05 | karsten | Ish: do you have 'openssl' installed? 'dpkg -l openssl' |
| 04:10.53 | Ish | oohh |
| 04:10.59 | Ish | That could be the problem |
| 04:11.08 | Ish | It's "half installed" |
| 04:11.15 | karsten | nevyn: Any other nits you'd point out? I did mention LVM, changed /opt => /usr/local to /opg => /usr/local/opt, and aded a few words bout swap |
| 04:11.17 | Ish | I guess that means I have to edit some configuration file? |
| 04:11.19 | nevyn | Ish: are you trying to compile something |
| 04:11.27 | karsten | Ish: 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 04:11.39 | PaulBrando | karsten: what is neat, though, at least for me, personally, is that my needs really haven't increased at the same rate storage has, but I remember struggling for space back then, having to make "decisions" about which programs I could have on my computer... I haven't had hard drive space concerns for a while now, although I guess I don't store a ton of video which would make a big difference |
| 04:11.52 | karsten | Ish: No, it means that the installation didn't complete. Is it still running, or did you kill the install session? |
| 04:11.52 | nevyn | Ish: in which case you'll need the correct openssl bindings package for the application language |
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| 04:12.07 | nevyn | karsten: that looks like ./configure stufff to me. |
| 04:12.15 | Ish | nevyn: yes, psybnc |
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| 04:12.18 | karsten | PaulBrando: Yeah, I'm finding that 1TB gives me a lot of room to play. |
| 04:12.21 | karsten | nevyn: Point. |
| 04:12.24 | PaulBrando | lol |
| 04:12.27 | nevyn | Ish: make sure you have openssl-dev |
| 04:12.34 | Ish | I got it |
| 04:12.44 | karsten | PaulBrando: ... but my 60GB laptop seems frighteningly small at times. |
| 04:12.47 | PaulBrando | karsten: I just think it sounds cool to say. I can't imagine what I'd do with it |
| 04:12.57 | Ish | It also says half installed >_> |
| 04:12.59 | Crypticfortune | is there a debian friendly place to put static arp table entries? or should i just do it in like a pre-up script via /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:13.00 | karsten | PaulBrando: I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you. |
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| 04:13.26 | PaulBrando | karsten: ooh now my interest is piqued |
| 04:13.31 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: /etc/ethers maybe? |
| 04:13.34 | karsten | Crypticfortune: Y'know, I've got a vague memory of someone mentioning static arp entries a long time ago.... |
| 04:13.49 | karsten | PaulBrando: It's not all that interesting, really, I'd just have to kill you. |
| 04:14.04 | karsten | PaulBrando: ... so we'll settle for beer right now and I'll tell you later when I don't have to ;-) |
| 04:14.11 | PaulBrando | karsten: fair enough :) |
| 04:14.17 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: oo "man ethers" says you're right! thanks! |
| 04:14.29 | nevyn | karsten: I think that pointing out that additional spaces for application specific data arn't nessicarilly evil. would be good |
| 04:14.33 | Ish | So what do I do with my half installed openssl stuff? |
| 04:14.44 | karsten | nevyn: ?? |
| 04:14.45 | \amethyst | Crypticfortune: well, I'm not sure that will get loaded into the ARP tables unless you have some kind of ARP daemon running, but I'm not sure |
| 04:14.53 | nevyn | karsten: eg: my mythtv backend has a /myth which is the mythtv spool |
| 04:14.58 | karsten | Ish: 'dpkg --configure -a' should complete any pending package installations. |
| 04:15.15 | Ish | That's the entire command? |
| 04:15.16 | karsten | nevyn: ... which *should* be in /opt/myth, right? |
| 04:15.23 | nevyn | karsten: it's DATA not software |
| 04:15.34 | karsten | nevyn: ... if we're going to go all high-and-mighty on the FHS. |
| 04:15.36 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 04:16.03 | enouf | karsten: and nevyn no which nor whereis? (lsh left already) anyways, readlink -f helps me out sometimes with that |
| 04:16.09 | karsten | nevyn: I'd say /var or /opt, then, depending. |
| 04:16.23 | karsten | bbiam |
| 04:16.27 | enouf | Ish: whoops. my bad , it's an i |
| 04:16.28 | nevyn | karsten: when it's 800GB? |
| 04:16.51 | enouf | curses his nice looking non-monotype fonts |
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| 04:17.46 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: hmm, actually i'm not sure what mechanism is doign it, but putting an entry in there made me able to ping my host even though it doesn't show up in arp =/ |
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| 04:18.21 | Ish | karsten: "dpkg --configure -a" returns a new line, but doing "dpkg -l openssl" returns |
| 04:18.29 | nevyn | mmm... |
| 04:18.42 | Ish | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 04:18.42 | Ish | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 04:18.51 | nevyn | you get one more line... |
| 04:19.40 | Ish | ii openssl 0.9.8c-4etch3 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools |
| 04:19.48 | Ish | spacing on that line was really annoying :p |
| 04:19.53 | karsten | nevyn: All the more reason. You can mount a given storage device *anywhere* on the filesystem tree. Why pollute / with random directories. |
| 04:19.55 | Ish | If that's the line you're talking about |
| 04:20.06 | karsten | nevyn: I'd say /opt/var or /usr/local/var, and allocate storage accordingly. |
| 04:20.21 | nevyn | karsten: because it's OBVIOUS then and it's the primary function of the system |
| 04:20.31 | karsten | Ish: It's installed then. 'ii' == install/installed. |
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| 04:20.51 | nevyn | Ish: do you have openssl-dev ? |
| 04:20.56 | enouf | karsten: and while both you and others here in this /opt (partitioning) discussion know much more, and have more experience in admining, sometimes i think /opt should be off limits to all distros, i think OpenSuse uses it a bit, for OOo and Firefox and Java perhaps, seems a mess .. but my question is, have any of you used 'stow / paco / checkinstall' to manage where compiled/custom apps? and if so, any issues with /opt or /usr/local/opt bei |
| 04:20.56 | enouf | used? |
| 04:20.59 | Ish | nevyn: yes |
| 04:21.04 | Ish | it returns the same lines |
| 04:21.16 | nevyn | with ii ? |
| 04:21.32 | nevyn | what's the application you're building again and what's it written in? |
| 04:21.45 | Ish | psyBNC |
| 04:21.48 | Ish | I think it's tcl |
| 04:21.51 | karsten | enouf: I have four things installed in /opt right now: google earth, vmware, a proprietary VPN client, and a proprietary (work-required) system-monitoring package, which doesn't. |
| 04:22.12 | karsten | enouf: That's pretty much par for the course. I simply don't install much on my systems' that's not already in Debian. |
| 04:22.23 | enouf | wow, i can't even read as fast as my scroll is going (/me plays catchup on backscroll) |
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| 04:22.42 | nevyn | enouf: I prefer to aquire packages or checkinstall stuff |
| 04:22.53 | enouf | karsten: righto - gotcha, and thanks |
| 04:23.09 | enouf | nevyn: ok, me too, makes sense. thanks |
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| 04:23.27 | karsten | enouf: I played with stow for a bit. In general, though I just don't install third-party crap if I can possibly help it. Even Firefox plug-ins are annoying (their own update cycle). |
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| 04:24.04 | enouf | well, i haven't used stow or others yet, i just make sure to ./configure --prefix= (and friends) correctly |
| 04:24.50 | enouf | karsten: yeah, i guess so - i don't like 3rd party stuff much |
| 04:25.02 | karsten | enouf: The _one_ non-debianized software I'm currently interested in: http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/2824/ |
| 04:27.10 | PaulBrando | that is funny, I've only been using Linux for <year and I'm already spoiled by the convenient updating, indeed the plug-in updates are annoying - God Bless NoScript but man that thing updates quite a bit... giving me flashbacks to my antivirus |
| 04:27.21 | enouf | karsten: i don't use FF/Iceweasal nor gmail , but i can see why if one does, they;d be interested in that - BTW have you seen this little ditty related to FF+Gmail ? http://dcc.vu/ubuntu-linux-file-send-link-with-gmail.html |
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| 04:28.33 | karsten | enouf: I don't use gmail, but my mutt instances tend to get overwhelmed. Cool hack though. |
| 04:29.22 | karsten | PaulBrando: Another rant concerning why Linux (and Debian in particular) are so non-annoying in that regard: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Rants/spyware.html |
| 04:29.37 | enouf | karsten: i see now - yeah, hadn't had time to read fully yet the URL you gave, + i'm an email idiot and don't even use it |
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| 04:29.44 | PaulBrando | lavabit.com is a nice alternative to gmail for a high-storage with privacy concerns |
| 04:30.13 | snogglethorpe | PaulBrando: the killer for a lot of alternatives though is the "will they still be around in X years?" question |
| 04:30.16 | karsten | PaulBrando: An Internet-accessible shell account w/ SSH and mutt work well for me ;-) |
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| 04:30.35 | snogglethorpe | PaulBrando: with google (or even yahoo if they're bought out by ms) the chance is pretty good |
| 04:30.50 | snogglethorpe | PaulBrando: for joebob's kewl email ... well... |
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| 04:32.57 | PaulBrando | snogglethorpe: yes, that is the question indeed. I cross my fingers - and I did raise my eyebrows a little when they weren't allowing new accounts for a while there, with not much explanation |
| 04:33.06 | enouf | karsten: do you use GPG keys and encryption to keep things from google's stinkin rotten claws or do you rely on more the anonymity of what you mean with an 'sh account' somewhere and ssh only? i admit, i'm not up on all this, and i have no idea how deep into the mail google (or any web email host) can look, or will if they want to , etc |
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| 04:33.26 | PaulBrando | just raised doubts on if they were struggling, I suppose |
| 04:33.42 | enouf | karsten: i mean i know ssh is encrypted in the connection .. but .. well |
| 04:34.16 | karsten | PaulBrando: I smell a little snake oil around lavabit, though they put on a good show. |
| 04:34.33 | PaulBrando | Now everyone is getting me worried! |
| 04:34.34 | karsten | PaulBrando: Unless the encryption's happening at the client end, they've still got the option of intercepting the cleartext. |
| 04:34.48 | nevyn | karsten: I like http://www.ipcdirect.net/servlet/Detail?no=43 more than the 1TB bricks |
| 04:34.58 | karsten | enouf: Google "gpg rant" |
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| 04:35.26 | karsten | enouf: Unfortunately, I mostly just sign mail, very few people have or use encryption, it's really a PITA. |
| 04:35.29 | enouf | karsten: i think i'm familiar, but will reaquaint myself ;-) |
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| 04:35.44 | karsten | enouf: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html |
| 04:35.46 | nevyn | sign's ALL mail |
| 04:35.49 | karsten | enouf: 2nd Google result ;-) |
| 04:36.04 | enouf | karsten: right, thought so, too bad it's not made to be simple or work simply or fixed or whatever |
| 04:36.17 | enouf | karsten: haha, thanks :-P |
| 04:36.17 | karsten | enouf: Also: http://www.linux.com/articles/33801 |
| 04:36.25 | nevyn | mutt + gpg == justworks[TM] |
| 04:37.05 | karsten | nevyn: Aye, it's pretty nice. Now, how do you dal with your Fcc? |
| 04:37.09 | karsten | s/dal/deal/ |
| 04:37.17 | PaulBrando | karsten: oh I see, that much I understand, I know the encryption is my obligation... it is more getting friends to do it, and not many would see the point for the typical "Hai! wutz up?" emails of life. Hard to get them too on principal alone. I only thought lavabit seemed to emphasize how they wouldn't hang onto emails for infinity years for the heck of it, and not scanning them for ads, etc. I guess for the philosophy they seem to have, even if |
| 04:37.54 | karsten | PaulBrando: Now, what's nice about lavabit is that it actually encrypts the mail _on_ the server. |
| 04:38.24 | karsten | PaulBrando: ... so even if it's flying around the Intarweb in the clear, once it settles down, it's no longer cleartext. That's a plus, though it only covers part of the threat model. |
| 04:38.27 | nevyn | PaulBrando: there may be nothing more to protect than your own embarassment |
| 04:38.34 | enouf | (doesn't mean they won't give the Fed the key ;-0 ) |
| 04:38.50 | PaulBrando | nevyn: exactly! |
| 04:38.55 | karsten | PaulBrando: Given that NSA is apparently sampling all bits going through major chokepoints (AT&T's SF facility, eg), _someone_ has seen your mail. |
| 04:39.30 | Dewi | eff the police! |
| 04:39.33 | nevyn | I reject the "nothing to hide" argument |
| 04:39.38 | karsten | PaulBrando: Never underestimate the value of rubber-hose cryptanalysis, or of dumpster-diving (in its various incarnations). |
| 04:39.50 | enouf | karsten: bingo - see AcXiom, LexusNexus, ChoicePoint, Experian, etc ... ugh |
| 04:39.51 | nevyn | look at the anonymised searches from aol a few years ago. |
| 04:40.07 | karsten | Yep, yep. |
| 04:40.16 | nevyn | you get a lot of info about the (anonymous) people just from their search results |
| 04:40.27 | karsten | Anywho, gotta split, catch y'all on the flipside. |
| 04:40.44 | Dewi | you get a lot of info about anonymous people in this channel just by logging it... |
| 04:40.52 | karsten | nevyn: Tons. Friend knows a researcher in Oz who did some work on that WRT healthcare data. *Good* anominization is *very* hard to do. |
| 04:41.03 | Dewi | our footprints are just *everywhere* |
| 04:41.08 | enouf | karsten: thanks for the chat and pointers mate |
| 04:41.11 | karsten | Dewi: Look up Phated's little social graph tool sometime. |
| 04:41.15 | karsten | enouf: NP. |
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| 04:42.03 | PaulBrando | karsten: I better review lavabit again. I thought I had to upgrade for the encryption on their servers. As for someone definitely having seen my email, I don't like to hear that - can't I fall back on safety in numbers? I don't want to be sampled... |
| 04:42.23 | PaulBrando | heh oh man. to think of some of my lamer emails.... |
| 04:42.26 | Dewi | karsten: the freakiest thing is googling for a solution to a problem, and finding an anonymized version of me in a freenode channel asking about the same issue some years previously |
| 04:42.30 | karsten | PaulBrando: http://lavabit.com/secure.html |
| 04:43.06 | karsten | PaulBrando: I was just reading that. The crypto talk is pretty good, but from what I read, they're doing the encryption themselves, which means that they *do* have the opportunity to divert the cleartext. It's not a weapons-grade system. |
| 04:43.07 | Crypticfortune | PaulBrando: Ironically it was far easier to convince my mom to encrypt her "hi, what's up?" emails than to convince my labmates to even sign theirs... >_>;; |
| 04:43.08 | Dewi | karsten: I think the nicks were obscured, but somebody's reference to me escaped unfiltered... |
| 04:43.16 | PaulBrando | karsten oops missed your gbye, didn't mean to stall you. Take it easy, thanks for the help n stuff |
| 04:43.28 | karsten | Dewi: Yeah, I find that in mailing list archives and usenet searches for myself all the time. |
| 04:43.43 | Dewi | karsten: well I wasn't searching for myself |
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| 04:44.06 | Dewi | karsten: I just have such a poor memory about previously solved problems, and use the same terminology when I'm talking on irc as when I'm searching :) |
| 04:44.33 | Dewi | karsten: but it really drove home how much information about me there is out there, that I can accidentally find myself like that |
| 04:44.52 | PaulBrando | Crypticfortune: Do you think we'll ever get to the point where encryption is just standard (and forced)? Would be so much easier.... |
| 04:44.58 | karsten | Dewi: Yeah, that's what I mean. I search for solutions to problems and find my own solutions (or prior requests for help). |
| 04:45.14 | Dewi | PaulBrando: yes |
| 04:45.18 | Dewi | PaulBrando: but I don't know when |
| 04:45.34 | Dewi | email is an awful albatross around all our necks |
| 04:45.37 | Dewi | somebody has to fix it eventually |
| 04:45.38 | PaulBrando | Dewi: good...this opt-in system just doesn't cut it |
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| 04:46.35 | karsten | Dewi: For a time there were 100-200k Google results for my (very unique) name. Mostly anti-spam postings. |
| 04:46.35 | Crypticfortune | PaulBrando: i agree with dewi on the albatross part. Encryption only solves part of the puzzle however... |
| 04:46.55 | karsten | is *really* away. |
| 04:47.00 | nevyn | PaulBrando: part of me thinks that gpg has too high a barrier |
| 04:47.11 | Dewi | karsten: my name is fortunately quite generic, and my nick derives from it so there are still many matches |
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| 04:47.42 | nevyn | PaulBrando: and that certificate based crypto like the cacert people are aiming for is a significantly better idea. |
| 04:47.49 | Dewi | perhaps I'm being too idealistic when I assume that future security improvements to fight spam will also bring improved personal security |
| 04:48.21 | Dewi | nevyn: lots of companies besides CACERT offer free email certificates |
| 04:48.25 | nevyn | because it removes the developing a web of trust ownus to a group that can be bothered (geeks) and allows them to create security principles for non-geeks (family and friends) |
| 04:48.26 | Dewi | nevyn: well, 2 of the big ones anyway |
| 04:48.37 | Dewi | nevyn: hasn't made it take off yet though |
| 04:49.21 | PaulBrando | As it stands now, does using encryption "flag" someone as having something to hide? There was a thing about HushMail a while back, about how the US govt. hit them up, etc. |
| 04:49.23 | Crypticfortune | nevyn: plugins like enigmail make gpg so simple though (eg. if my mom can do it, anyone can =P |
| 04:49.40 | Dewi | PaulBrando: maybe, but not for much longer |
| 04:49.46 | Dewi | PaulBrando: crypto is starting to be everywhere |
| 04:50.01 | nevyn | Crypticfortune: sure she can create a keypair and that's great.. but I bet she doesn't participate in keysignings. |
| 04:50.08 | Dewi | PaulBrando: even office 2007 has that peer to peer encrypted workspace thing |
| 04:50.14 | nevyn | Crypticfortune: I'd be delighted if her key was in the strong set. |
| 04:50.31 | Dewi | PaulBrando: "groove" or "groovy" |
| 04:50.55 | nevyn | Crypticfortune: but I'm willing to bet it isn't |
| 04:51.05 | Crypticfortune | What scares me is I figure it's only a matter of time before we all start getting encrypted spam sent to the addresses in the pks servers (which basically fries any content-based anti-spam filters =( |
| 04:51.18 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:51.27 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: ouch |
| 04:51.32 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: of course they suck anyway |
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| 04:51.59 | PaulBrando | Dewi: that might have gone over my head ;) are you saying that in their eyes, the difference is too subtle (groove or groovy)? |
| 04:52.36 | nevyn | Crypticfortune: so mail at $company is something of a rube-goldberg device.. so I had this idea to rot13 spam so that the admins would add more steps to the existing 7 servers mail passes through |
| 04:53.10 | Dewi | PaulBrando: I'm just saying that crypto is so ubiquitous now, I don't think it could carry that kind of stigma with law enforcement, not as much as it would a few years ago anyway |
| 04:53.32 | Dewi | PaulBrando: you do still probably stand out a bit by using GPG email etc |
| 04:53.45 | PaulBrando | Dewi: ahh, ok |
| 04:54.17 | Dewi | PaulBrando: but I'd say the attitude to crypto as "something for people with something to hide" is dying the more people generally become aware of identity thefts, facebook embarrassments, etc |
| 04:54.23 | nevyn | so I'm running into trouble maintaining that DSA > RSA because it is as long as you don't have a bad RNG and debian had a bad RNG for 2 years |
| 04:54.52 | Dewi | nevyn: is there crypto that doesn't need a good RNG? |
| 04:55.28 | Dewi | nevyn: determinism doesn't lead to good crypto in general, it's not a DSA problem as far as I can see |
| 04:55.36 | Crypticfortune | Dewi: symmetric crypto with very strong secrets =P |
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| 04:59.17 | PaulBrando | diceware http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html |
| 04:59.31 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: the entropy of your secrets has to come from somewhere |
| 04:59.49 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: but you can forego any RNG problems by using insane prophetic monks |
| 04:59.54 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: as I do :) |
| 05:00.58 | Crypticfortune | PaulBrando: but that's using dice as an RNG =P |
| 05:01.01 | readworld | i need secure my system from nsa or echelon |
| 05:01.14 | Dewi | actually I guess it's technically better if the monks aren't prophetic |
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| 05:01.21 | Dewi | but it's good if they babble |
| 05:01.47 | Penix | readworld: good one. now they're already clued in |
| 05:02.12 | readworld | yes but is same or no? |
| 05:02.31 | readworld | they read all all |
| 05:02.35 | PaulBrando | I think Crypticfortune is a prophetic monk specializing in encryption... Cryptic + fortune....hmm this is a setup |
| 05:02.36 | PiousMinion | readworld: they monitor your connection. They don't hack your pc. There is nothing you can do other than encrypt your data streams. |
| 05:03.09 | readworld | i need chat in ssh it secure chat? |
| 05:03.32 | Crypticfortune | PaulBrando: hahaha indeed you are fufilling my prophecy =P |
| 05:03.35 | PiousMinion | readworld: If you want secured chat use SILC. |
| 05:03.54 | cast | i suggest jabber, as that supports openpgp |
| 05:03.55 | readworld | and skype is secure Voip? |
| 05:04.06 | cast | skype is not secure. |
| 05:04.12 | cast | how can it be, its closed source? |
| 05:04.16 | PaulBrando | Crypticfortune: this must've all been in the cards... |
| 05:04.17 | PiousMinion | readworld: I don't have any information on the security of skype. |
| 05:04.55 | PiousMinion | cast: IE7 uses encryption, but not really secure. bad example. lol |
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| 05:05.29 | cast | PiousMinion: huh :\ |
| 05:05.34 | Crypticfortune | PiousMinion: (another monk name) IRC itself theoretically supports TLS though, right? so why go to the trouble of making another protocol? |
| 05:06.03 | readworld | how i built secure voip system? |
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| 05:06.16 | PiousMinion | Crypticfortune: Ok, so you may be connection using TLS to the IRC server, but that doesn't require that everyone else does. |
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| 05:07.11 | Crypticfortune | PiousMinion: right you'd need all servers participating to play by the same rules, but if they all require tls connections, you've got yourself some secure chat |
| 05:07.15 | PiousMinion | readworld: I wouldn't know. google "secure voip". |
| 05:07.36 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: I'm sure there would be some that do |
| 05:07.49 | PiousMinion | Crypticfortune: the features of SILC are for more than just a TLS connection. |
| 05:07.59 | PiousMinion | s/for/far |
| 05:08.17 | readworld | any have system comunication secure in data of voip what they have this system and cluster to read all information at the world? |
| 05:08.35 | readworld | carnivore in carrier? |
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| 05:10.34 | readworld | i go to live i house without any comunication and they have the control no? |
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| 05:11.45 | readworld | alll quit i go out by |
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| 05:13.28 | nevyn | Dewi: if you have a predictable RNG DSA fails worse than RSA |
| 05:13.42 | nevyn | but with a good RNG the time to bruteforce RSA is less than DSA |
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| 05:14.42 | Dewi | nevyn: I don't really understand |
| 05:16.17 | Crypticfortune | whoah, why would ping tell me "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available"?? that's the first time i've seen that happen... |
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| 05:17.09 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: that does sound quite bad |
| 05:17.14 | Dewi | Crypticfortune: it sounds familiar though... |
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| 05:18.25 | Crypticfortune | I'm ssh'd into this remote machine, trying to ping a computer connected by a second ethernet card, so obviously the ethernet card running my ssh session is ok...very strange... |
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| 05:23.54 | nevyn | Dewi: DSA and RSA are different crypto systems. |
| 05:24.16 | nevyn | if your random number generator really generates random numbers DSA is stronger than RSA |
| 05:24.33 | Dewi | nevyn: sure |
| 05:24.47 | nevyn | however. if your random number generator is predictable. (see topic) then DSA's failure mode is signficantly worse than RSA's |
| 05:24.48 | cast | dunno if i'd say 'stronger' |
| 05:24.56 | Dewi | nevyn: but if you've only got thousands of keys to search, it's hard to imagine how RSA is going to protect you |
| 05:24.58 | cast | DSA is limited to 1024bit keys |
| 05:25.04 | Dewi | nevyn: maybe the implementation is a little slower |
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| 05:25.12 | Dewi | nevyn: but it's not going to be a big different |
| 05:25.16 | Dewi | -t+ce |
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| 05:25.50 | Dewi | nevyn: isn't the failure mode for both "somebody tries a few thousand keys and defeats the crypto" ? |
| 05:25.55 | nevyn | Dewi: it's a big difference because it's not just keys generated on the weak system.. but even "good" keys used with hosts with "bad" host keys are compramised |
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| 05:26.09 | readworld | my frien is who read bug in ssl |
| 05:26.16 | Dewi | nevyn: oh. I didn't know that. |
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| 05:27.26 | nevyn | Dewi: now you do ;) |
| 05:29.36 | Crypticfortune | nevyn: i read that too, but I don't actually see how that happens. like given my understanding of DSA, that session might be compromised but my key itself isn't actually "tainted" by being used on a bad box. |
| 05:30.07 | Ish | nevyn: karsten I worked on that problem I was having with openssl. Turns out /bin was incorrect because it wasn't the actual dev files which is /usr/blahblah/ssh. Which also didn't work, but I found another fix, that if you leave the setting at "/usr" it would work fine. And it does. So yay :p |
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| 05:32.43 | stew | Crypticfortune: the private key will be compromised if an attacker has a DSA signed message and the public key if the RNG is weak |
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| 05:35.32 | bipolar | does anyone know why trying to run 'who -m' from /etc/ssh/sshrc always returns nothing, but running it from bash on the same login works? |
| 05:36.50 | YeTr2 | bipolar: because who -m reads enviroment variables that don't get set up unless you run ir from a shell? |
| 05:37.08 | Agrajag- | bipolar: from the ssh manpage: "Commands in this file are executed by ssh when the user logs in, just before the userâs shell (or command) is started." |
| 05:38.44 | bipolar | Agrajag-: but it's run by the user, isnt it? if I put 'touch /tmp test' in there, the file created is owned by the user that I logged in as. |
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| 05:39.13 | YeTr2 | bipolar: run `export` from sshrc, then run it again from bash |
| 05:40.10 | bipolar | YeTr2: I don't understand exactly... just run the command 'export' from sshrc? |
| 05:40.25 | YeTr2 | bipolar: sure. run it like you would have run who -m |
| 05:40.38 | bipolar | ok |
| 05:41.38 | bipolar | yeah... there's not as many things in there |
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| 05:42.50 | YeTr2 | bipolar: because it doesn't get set up till a real shell is run. like bash, sh, csh, ksh, zsh, psh, etc. |
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| 05:44.15 | bipolar | YeTr2: I see... so any idea what is who -m missing? |
| 05:44.30 | bipolar | I think I found another way around to get what I want though.... |
| 05:45.40 | heavensrevengex | hank you, ill work with that apache for now |
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| 05:53.18 | CodeBlock | need some help. I want to do the PPC Hard Drive install (because the cd rom drive doesnt work), and all the tutorials (including the debian install guide) say i need a 'yaboot' but in all the debian mirrors, in hd-media there's no such file.. so.. where can i get that? |
| 05:53.59 | jetscreamer | !find yaboot |
| 05:54.04 | jetscreamer | !yaboot |
| 05:54.04 | dpkg | yaboot is probably the primary bootloader for New World Apple Macintosh, IBM RS/6000, IBM pSeries and IBM OpenPower machines. It should be installed with <ybin>. You can find a HOWTO at http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/. Yaboot is in the debian package "yaboot" |
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| 05:54.46 | fireba11 | geez .. the VeriSign mailing about the openssl volnarability is way too unspecific .. they don't even mention that sarge is not affected |
| 05:54.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'yaboot' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/systemimager-doc/examples/yaboot.conf) in doc/systemimager-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/systemimager-server/examples/yaboot.conf) in admin/systemimager-server ;; (/usr/bin/lh_binary_yaboot, /usr/share/live-helper/templates.debian/yaboot/yaboot.conf) in misc/live-helper. |
| 05:54.59 | CodeBlock | jetscreamer: that doesnt help me when i'm trying to install >.> thats for after install, no? (because it talks about the debian package. obviously i cant install debian packages if its not installed) |
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| 05:56.27 | CodeBlock | anyone? |
| 05:57.40 | jetscreamer | it doesn't have internet eh |
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| 05:58.07 | jetscreamer | for a netinst |
| 05:58.28 | CodeBlock | jetscreamer: it has internet but how can i download debian packages if debian is not installed? |
| 05:58.37 | jetscreamer | !netinst |
| 05:58.37 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 05:58.44 | CodeBlock | sighs |
| 05:59.03 | fireba11 | CodeBlock: the netboot miniiso sounds like what you need |
| 05:59.13 | fireba11 | CodeBlock: also you could boot of usb |
| 05:59.18 | CodeBlock | jetscreamer: i just need to know where to download 'yaboot' at... to put it in the top level of the hard drive (/) |
| 05:59.32 | CodeBlock | fireba11: then why does the debian install guide say Hard Drive install is possible? |
| 05:59.34 | CodeBlock | ... |
| 05:59.56 | CodeBlock | i just need this 'yaboot' to follow the install guide.. no one knows where i can get that? |
| 06:00.14 | jetscreamer | i just got the bot to show you |
| 06:00.23 | jetscreamer | shell out and dpkg -i the .deb |
| 06:00.41 | CodeBlock | jetscreamer: how can i get to a freaking shell if its not installed? |
| 06:00.43 | jetscreamer | you need yaboot to boot, right? |
| 06:00.43 | CodeBlock | sighs |
| 06:00.50 | CodeBlock | jetscreamer: i need it to install. |
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| 06:01.45 | jetscreamer | ok... |
| 06:01.55 | jetscreamer | i guess it's not inside that package after all |
| 06:02.57 | CodeBlock | jetscreamer: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld section 4.5.2 see where it says you need those four files? I cannot find them on any mirror anywhere :( |
| 06:05.49 | Ish | BOOYAH |
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| 06:06.12 | Ish | PHEAR ME AND MY VM RUNNING A BNC WITH SSL ENABLED MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:06.50 | Crypticfortune | stew: ahh ok. after much staring at the math and pondering deeply, I think I see how DSA exposes the key in that case. I think. It would take much more pondering to prove it, but for now at least it marginarilly makes sense... |
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| 06:07.19 | Penix | !caps |
| 06:07.20 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them. |
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| 06:09.07 | Ish | That would have been much worse if I would have put an underscore on both sides of every letter don't you think? |
| 06:09.16 | Ish | Let a man celebrate a victory :p |
| 06:09.29 | stew | Crypticfortune: http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2008-05-14-17-21_some_maths.html |
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| 06:09.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:10.08 | jetscreamer | it's in the iso image codeboy |
| 06:11.08 | jetscreamer | s/it's/they're/ |
| 06:11.25 | jetscreamer | ah him go byebye |
| 06:11.42 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike caps |
| 06:11.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking caps to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 06:14.45 | Crypticfortune | stew: ooh nice page. thanks! |
| 06:14.52 | YeTr2 | Why isn't nvidia stuff in testing anyways? |
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| 06:26.42 | joeymad | anybody know of a reason why X will not start under my main user "joeymad," yet work perfectly fine under root? I get "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aboring." and "xinit: Server error." I took a look at /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config and I had allowed_uesrs=console by default, which I read that changing it to allowed_users=anybody will fix the issue (and it did), but what is the reason for this? Am I exposing myself to |
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| 06:28.12 | stew | joeymad: how did you login to the box? were you sitting at it physically? did you login via ssh? |
| 06:28.25 | joeymad | ssh |
| 06:28.35 | stew | joeymad: right. that is the reason. |
| 06:29.10 | joeymad | is there any way around it? other than opening it up "anybody"? |
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| 06:29.28 | stew | joeymad: by 'console' they mean a really tty such ash /dev/tty[1-6] not a pseudo tty such as the ones allocated by ssh |
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| 06:33.00 | joeymad | stew, I dont quite understand the tty. I had read about "console" and saw that it mentioned that, and that is what clued me off to ssh being the problem, yet I dont know what tty is. Could you dumb it down for me? |
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| 06:37.05 | stew | joeymad: tty stands for 'teletype' which is really just an artifact from when you logged into a machine via a teletype machine connected to a serial line, those were later replaced by 'terminals' which were a keyboard + monitor connected via a serial line. now the 'tty's are 'virtual consoles' where several of these terminals are emulated, these are the ones you login to if you boot into a text based login screen |
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| 06:37.16 | Zenox | Where can I change the LANG, LANGUAGE, LC_ALL and LC_CTYPE permanently on a Debian Lenny machine? |
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| 06:37.45 | gpm | !tell Zenox about locales |
| 06:37.46 | stew | joeymad: when you login via ssh, another type of emulated tty is created which is refered to a s 'pseudo tty' (or pts) |
| 06:37.54 | gpm | ? |
| 06:38.40 | Kevin` | how can I boot debian from iscsi? |
| 06:39.08 | gpm | he means how does he |
| 06:39.30 | joeymad | stew, thank you for the information. i suppose i will stick with allowing "anybody" access to startx. thanks for your help |
| 06:40.01 | gpm | thanks for the tty explanation, i never knew all that |
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| 06:41.57 | Zenox | gpm: Okay, that changes the locales available to the system. But after running it the configs aren't set and typing "export" shows that the old non-existent en_US.ISO-8859-1 is used (instead of UTF-8 that's wanted). Where could I fix this? |
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| 07:10.26 | BleSS | I've used *unset LANG LC_ALL LANGUAGE* to show error messages in english, but PostgreSQL follows showing it in another language how fix it? |
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| 07:14.37 | ostman | what means not authenticated when adding an application? |
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| 07:21.50 | Waistless | quick question, how do I boot the debian lenny cd so it install the 2.6.24 kernel instead of 2.6.22? |
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| 07:23.19 | Waistless | ah. sorry i mean |
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| 07:23.45 | Waistless | how do I boot the debian testing cd so it installs the 2.6.24 kernel instead of 2.6.22? |
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| 07:28.39 | Waistless | anyone?? I know it's a line I add when I boot the cd but I can't find it... |
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| 07:30.14 | esteel | Waistless: try pressing F1 when booting from cd.. |
| 07:30.45 | esteel | Waistless: iirc one of the F1 - F7 screens describes how to boot with the newer kernel |
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| 07:33.41 | Waistless | hmm. thanks, just looking for it. |
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| 07:35.18 | Dewi | why doesn't this return right away? |
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| 07:35.21 | Dewi | ssh remotehost 'nohup sleep 10 &' |
| 07:35.41 | Dewi | I just want to start a process; not wait around for it to finish |
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| 07:36.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:36.35 | dpkg | * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on |
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| 07:42.11 | redsolo | who do i write a udev rule that is activated when the model is NOT "ipod"? is there a != operator in the rules? |
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| 07:43.20 | emocvn | hi can i ask whats the user that Apache2 runs as? |
| 07:43.34 | cast | www-data |
| 07:43.38 | cast | run ps aux to see |
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| 07:48.23 | vaq | How do i update cpan packages? |
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| 07:49.00 | simonrvn | redsolo: fix your net connection |
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| 07:50.30 | Dewi | what's the most correct way of setting stdin to a stream with no input when launching a process? |
| 07:50.43 | Dewi | equivalent to me not typing anything |
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| 07:50.59 | Dewi | (but I want to detach the stdin filehandle from my terminal) |
| 07:51.41 | Dewi | this usually seems to work.... < /dev/null |
| 07:51.47 | Dewi | but I'm not sure that it's quite equivalent |
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| 07:52.18 | Dewi | /dev/null is probably a closed handle |
| 07:52.30 | Dewi | I think I want one you can read from but it just blocks forever |
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| 07:54.46 | vaq | How do i update cpan packages? |
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| 07:57.56 | streuner | !info dh_make_perl |
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| 07:58.16 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create Debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.45 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 08:02.13 | sniff` | can anyone recommend a simple back app? where i just set the paths and thats it? |
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| 08:07.08 | dragonheart | sniff`: disk to ??? local disk, tape, disk over lan, disk over wan |
| 08:07.15 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:08.50 | dragonheart | sniff`: i'm a fan of dirvish though I've heard respectible people like dar too |
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| 08:09.59 | sniff` | dragonheart does dirvish have a simple config like "backup /home --all" or the like? |
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| 08:12.07 | vaq | How do i update cpan packages? |
| 08:12.47 | dragonheart | sniff`: its got one more layer - a bank in master.cf refers to vault config that specifies directory and frequency |
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| 08:15.06 | sniff` | dragonheart would you consider it easy and clear to config? |
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| 08:16.14 | dragonheart | sniff`: i was reviewing the guide http://wiki.edseek.com/howto:dirvish from where it says configuring divish snapshots and it looks pretty clear |
| 08:16.36 | dragonheart | looking back after having not looked at it for ages it also still makes sense (looking at my config files) |
| 08:17.10 | sniff` | thans |
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| 08:19.18 | vaq | How do i update cpan packages? |
| 08:20.05 | cast | no ones really sure |
| 08:20.30 | cast | id ask in perl |
| 08:20.50 | vaq | okay thanks |
| 08:20.50 | cast | cpan is like....more perl related than debian related |
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| 08:21.36 | sniff` | dragonheart: thanks* |
| 08:21.54 | dragonheart | np - have fun backing up |
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| 08:22.19 | sniff` | sure will :p |
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| 08:22.30 | sniff` | oh btw, i do assume it allows remote backups, right? |
| 08:23.19 | sniff` | must leave, bbl :p |
| 08:24.19 | dragonheart | yes - via ssh or raw rsync if you want |
| 08:25.10 | readworld | hello i need built router(hardware and os) with debian any idea? |
| 08:25.46 | Lagbolt | readworld, http://touset.org/projects/howtos/fwhowto/fwhowto.html |
| 08:26.08 | readworld | thanks |
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| 08:30.16 | Bleupomme | Hello, I have a big problem. I updated my server and now my ssh access key is blacklisted. I cannot access the server anymore. What can I do? |
| 08:30.19 | readworld | nootebook low cost with debian testing ? |
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| 08:30.38 | ronr | I just upgraded ssh to fix my keys; ssh-vulnkey -a claims some keys are compromised, but when I manually delete those keys and run ssh-keygen again, ssh-vulnkey still marks them as comprised! what am i doing wrong here? |
| 08:30.48 | readworld | any have une? |
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| 08:31.48 | Rienzilla | did you upgrade libssl? |
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| 08:33.09 | ronr | Rienzilla: I upgraded all I could, but that did give me an idea about what it can be (I got some unstable packages and maybe some of those must be upgraded as well) |
| 08:34.58 | ronr | Rienzilla: yep, that's it, libssl is one of the packages that I had from unstable |
| 08:35.02 | Lagbolt | readworld, what? |
| 08:35.02 | sChaaa | hola |
| 08:35.11 | Lagbolt | hola :) |
| 08:35.26 | readworld | hola |
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| 08:35.58 | readworld | any have built nootebook low cost with debian? |
| 08:36.47 | readworld | how cost nootbook dell? 1000 usd? |
| 08:37.42 | petemc | dell.com |
| 08:37.43 | lkthomas_ | guys, I am using courier-pop3, but some user can not big attachment at all |
| 08:38.05 | lkthomas_ | it will hang @ 21.2Byte then wouldn't process |
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| 08:43.46 | Rienzilla | well if you are generating blacklisted keys you still use a compromised libssl |
| 08:44.07 | Rienzilla | upgrade that and your ssh-keygen will generate strong keys |
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| 08:44.17 | emocvn | hi can i know where is the conf file for apache2 ? |
| 08:44.31 | Penix | //etc/apache2 |
| 08:44.33 | Penix | bah |
| 08:44.34 | Rienzilla | where would you guess it was :) |
| 08:44.41 | stew | emocvn: there are many in /etc/apache2 |
| 08:44.49 | emocvn | ah i saw it thanks |
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| 08:44.54 | emocvn | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf thats what i need |
| 08:45.07 | stew | emocvn: you should, in general, not touch that file |
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| 08:45.28 | emocvn | i'm trying to find out where can i set the "default" directory for my webpage |
| 08:45.36 | emocvn | it was apache2-default by default |
| 08:45.43 | stew | emocvn: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 08:46.45 | emocvn | o thanks |
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| 08:48.06 | emocvn | hmm stew, one thing, if i try to visit my server hostname on a web browser, it will redirect to apache-default directory if i dont type anything on the backslash after my hostname |
| 08:48.10 | emocvn | how do i change it ? :\ |
| 08:49.11 | emocvn | something got to do with: RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ |
| 08:49.18 | emocvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.35 | fengor | how about commenting out that line? |
| 08:49.42 | emocvn | hmm okay |
| 08:49.54 | emocvn | do i need to reload apache? |
| 08:50.00 | fengor | yes |
| 08:50.38 | emocvn | great it works now, thanks fengor |
| 08:50.56 | fengor | that line means that if you only request / treat it as if /apache2-default/ was requested |
| 08:51.11 | fengor | you might want to read up on redirects. you can do some pretty nifty stuff with them |
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| 08:52.47 | Bleupomme | I upgraded my debian server, but did not regenerate the ssh key pair. Now I cannot access it anymore, what can I do? |
| 08:53.43 | Penix | it should've been done automatically |
| 08:53.52 | fengor | Bleupomme: whats the error message? |
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| 08:54.11 | fengor | most likely the key pair has been regenerated and it is your client that complains about the changed fingerprint |
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| 08:54.24 | fengor | because it doesnt match anymore with the one in known_hosts |
| 08:55.02 | Bleupomme | fengor: access denied (publickey) |
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| 08:55.52 | Bleupomme | fengor: I think the key has been blacklisted and does not work anymore |
| 08:56.06 | Bleupomme | fengor: I already emptied my known_hosts file |
| 08:57.17 | CoolCold | Bleupomme: try to login with password? |
| 08:57.47 | Bleupomme | CoolCold: password login disabled |
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| 08:58.02 | CoolCold | argh.. |
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| 08:58.06 | Penix | obviously should've thought things through a bit better before updating |
| 08:58.19 | fengor | Bleupomme: maybe you need to regenerate the keypairs for your client as well? or did you already do that |
| 08:58.32 | Lagbolt | Bleupomme, :) get a keyboard and monitor |
| 08:58.45 | CoolCold | btw, what are pro for disabling password logins? |
| 08:58.52 | Bleupomme | Lagbolt: not possible the server is far away :( |
| 08:58.55 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 08:58.56 | Penix | Bleupomme: if you updated your client *and* server's packages, both should have new keys. you need to tell the server about the client's new key |
| 08:59.03 | Lagbolt | pro is that you cant guess passwords :) |
| 08:59.46 | Bleupomme | Penix: Is my ssh rsa access key still valid then? |
| 09:00.03 | Penix | Bleupomme: that's what I'm talking about |
| 09:00.10 | Penix | no, it shouldn't be |
| 09:00.10 | Bleupomme | If I try from anther machine this should work? |
| 09:01.16 | Bleupomme | Penix: but will I be able to access the server again or do I have to reinstall? |
| 09:02.01 | Penix | Bleupomme: what are you running on the client? debian as well? |
| 09:02.22 | Bleupomme | Penix: server is debian etch, the client debian sid |
| 09:02.34 | Penix | Bleupomme: and the client ssh/ssl packages have been updated too? |
| 09:02.41 | Bleupomme | Penix: yes |
| 09:02.59 | Penix | Bleupomme: then, yeah, your client most likely has a new key (just like the server) |
| 09:03.17 | Penix | Bleupomme: which means the server either knows nothing at all about your current key, or only knows about the old one |
| 09:03.54 | Penix | Bleupomme: you need some sort of access to the server to copy your client's key over |
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| 09:04.04 | Penix | !tell Fox_1_ about root |
| 09:04.42 | alturiak | Bleupomme: if your server is located at some kind of hosting company, they probably have a rescue-system which you could boot into to fix your system, e.g. add your new public key |
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| 09:05.10 | Bleupomme | alturiak: But I did not change the access key. |
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| 09:05.21 | Penix | Bleupomme: the new packages did though |
| 09:05.42 | Coke | I'm trying to use CUPS for printing, but every time I try to access to localhost:631/admin page cupsd CRASHES! This is on Debian testing, it's making the cupsys package unusable. |
| 09:05.46 | Coke | Any workarounds? |
| 09:05.48 | Bleupomme | Penix: then it's fucked |
| 09:05.53 | alturiak | Bleupomme: if your old key has been generated on debian, chances are that it is blacklisted and can therefore not login anymore |
| 09:06.21 | Penix | Fox_1_: don't pm me. and don't IRC as root. /msg dpkg root |
| 09:06.27 | alturiak | and since you didn't add your new key.. :) |
| 09:06.34 | Penix | exactly |
| 09:06.37 | Bleupomme | alturiak: so I have to reinstall the server because my key is blacklisted? :( |
| 09:06.44 | Penix | Bleupomme: no |
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| 09:06.46 | alturiak | Bleupomme: if your server is located at some kind of hosting company, they probably have a rescue-system which you could boot into to fix your system, e.g. add your new public key |
| 09:06.57 | Coke | Hm. Upgrade seems to have fixed it though... |
| 09:07.19 | Bleupomme | alturiak: I have a management console. But it's limited (reboot,...) |
| 09:07.29 | Penix | I can't believe someone could not even think when upgrading a key-only ssh setup in a colo |
| 09:07.41 | Penix | I hesitated, and my server's right next to me |
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| 09:07.54 | alturiak | I always try logging in before logging out :) |
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| 09:08.08 | alturiak | (after an update, that is) |
| 09:08.12 | pyrohotdog | Is there a way to encrypt the harddrive without formatting and reinstalling? |
| 09:08.15 | Bleupomme | alturiak: good advice, but now it's too late |
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| 09:08.33 | alturiak | Bleupomme: your management console probably has a text editor, which is all you need |
| 09:08.33 | Penix | hopefully you'll remember next time ;) |
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| 09:08.44 | Coke | Oh, CUPS is still very very broken. |
| 09:08.47 | Bleupomme | alturiak: I will check |
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| 09:08.53 | Bleupomme | thank you guys |
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| 09:09.07 | Fox_1_ | Penix: is it ok, now? |
| 09:09.09 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 09:09.13 | Penix | Fox_1_: much better |
| 09:09.19 | Fox_1_ | thanks |
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| 09:09.39 | amer | hi, i added this line "* * * * * root touch /home/amer/`date +%N`.test" into "/etc/crontab" but it don't work, please help? |
| 09:10.02 | Ramjar | openssl securiy problem: http://secunia.com/advisories/30220/ |
| 09:10.04 | slxix | it doesn't work. what did you expect it to do? |
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| 09:10.37 | antgel | !wayttd amer |
| 09:10.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, amer? |
| 09:10.50 | Ramjar | how do i update my openssl in order to protect my self from openssl security problem? |
| 09:11.02 | Coke | Anybody got cupsd 1.3.6 not crashing constantly? The web admin page gets "bad request" and "connection reset" and nothing in error_log. |
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| 09:11.10 | joeyjones | Ramjar: 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' |
| 09:11.25 | Ramjar | yes but that will update everything right? |
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| 09:11.29 | pacroon | I thought the thing was to do aptitude now :) |
| 09:11.31 | Ramjar | i just want to update openssl right now |
| 09:11.43 | themill | Ramjar: why only openssl? |
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| 09:11.47 | amer | dpkg, touch new file every moment |
| 09:11.47 | dpkg | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
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| 09:12.04 | Ramjar | well, i need to take care of it as soon as possible. and the upgrade the rest of updates |
| 09:12.24 | joeyjones | so is there a reason not to upgrade everything? |
| 09:12.25 | slxix | amer: you don't need cron to do that. :) |
| 09:12.25 | themill | Ramjar: How many others do you have pending? |
| 09:12.38 | amer | dpkg just for learning |
| 09:12.39 | dpkg | wish i knew, amer |
| 09:12.45 | irix | Hi all, Are these tow repositories same? http://paste.debian.net/3687/ |
| 09:12.51 | Ramjar | a lot of things. apache2 mysql etc etc. |
| 09:13.05 | themill | Ramjar: tut tut! |
| 09:13.28 | Ramjar | 51 upgrades. but i have installed a lot of this application from source. |
| 09:13.33 | amer | slxix, just for learning |
| 09:14.30 | Ramjar | in other words, it is not possible to just update a specific application? |
| 09:14.42 | Ramjar | with apt-get |
| 09:14.48 | joeyjones | try doing an update than 'install opensll' |
| 09:14.58 | joeyjones | or 'upgrade openssl' |
| 09:15.06 | themill | Ramjar: aptitude install openssl+M linssl0.9.8+M |
| 09:15.13 | themill | Ramjar: erm... libssl0.9.8+M |
| 09:15.33 | joeyjones | yeah... |
| 09:15.34 | simonrvn | mr. fancypants aptitude |
| 09:15.41 | joeyjones | i had a horrible day today |
| 09:15.47 | joeyjones | i bought a bunk keyboard |
| 09:15.51 | joeyjones | and my server died |
| 09:16.01 | joeyjones | it had been giving me weird fs issues recently |
| 09:16.06 | simonrvn | that is a horrid day |
| 09:16.20 | joeyjones | then i found it locked w/o even showing a bash login |
| 09:16.32 | joeyjones | so i shut ti down and started it up again |
| 09:16.33 | themill | Ramjar: But you should get on top of your work load here: you should always just be about to run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and know that it will work. If you have source controlled stuff, then make deb packages out of it or use sensible backports and your own local repository. |
| 09:16.43 | Ramjar | themill: what is +M ? |
| 09:16.55 | joeyjones | and there where some boot errors |
| 09:17.10 | themill | Ramjar: from TFM: package+M Install package and immediately mark it as automatically installed |
| 09:17.30 | joeyjones | then i was lazy and ran fsck on the partition it's running from |
| 09:17.32 | Ramjar | sweet :) |
| 09:17.38 | joeyjones | and it's totally fucked now |
| 09:17.53 | slxix | amer: maybe replace the first * with 0-59 ? |
| 09:18.05 | joeyjones | after that i couldn;t even run basic apps and when i rebooted it grub failed to load |
| 09:18.10 | Ramjar | themill: so only thing i need to do is to recreate SSH keys and so on in order to protect my computer from openssl problem? |
| 09:18.16 | themill | Ramjar: there are a lot of nice things like that in aptitude. If you have the aptitude-doc package installed, take a wander through /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/ |
| 09:18.33 | joeyjones | simonrvn: i think i may jsut throw it out |
| 09:19.30 | themill | Ramjar: you need to regenerate all keys and certificates that were generated by the vulnerable openssl. This includes openssh host keys, openssh user keys, apache certs, exim tls certs etc. /msg dpkg dsa1571 and check the wiki for more information. |
| 09:20.01 | Ramjar | oh sweet :) |
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| 09:20.22 | Ramjar | thank you themill |
| 09:20.30 | themill | Ramjar: If you also update to the newer openssh package, then you will be able to scan for weak ssh keys across your system. /msg dpkg ssl update |
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| 09:21.10 | themill | Ramjar: While you're at it, you may want to /msg dpkg ssh-vulnkey and /msg dpkg fail2ban |
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| 09:22.34 | Ramjar | nice tool :) |
| 09:23.01 | themill | !tell fabi about root |
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| 09:23.46 | slxix | can't dpkg automatically tell people about root? :) |
| 09:23.55 | Ramjar | themill, i do not need to reinstall sshd or something right? i just need to remove ssh_host_* in /etc/ssh/ and know_keys etc, and the restart ssh right? |
| 09:24.05 | Penix | slxix: I believe apt used to years ago |
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| 09:25.03 | themill | slxix: it does, but some seem not to notice |
| 09:25.14 | fabi | but now which package ddo i need for checkinstall? |
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| 09:25.39 | Penix | !info checkinstall stable |
| 09:25.44 | themill | it's not in etch |
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| 09:26.26 | simonrvn | Ramjar: do the rm but do dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server afterwards to regen the host keys |
| 09:26.39 | Ramjar | ohh ok. thank you |
| 09:26.43 | themill | Ramjar: if you upgrade the openssh-* packages as well, then ssh will refuse to accept vulnerable ssh user keys and it will automatically regenerate your host heys |
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| 09:27.45 | remoteCTR1 | hi guys! i got the strange phenomenon that my mailservers etch doesn't know a bunch of commands, amog them init 6 |
| 09:28.05 | remoteCTR1 | does anybody know what i have to install to be able to init 6 my machine? |
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| 09:28.19 | Penix | remoteCTR1: if you've got a normal, proper debian system, you've got init |
| 09:28.36 | Ramjar | themill, oh okey, so if i update openssh it will fix all keys for every user on my computer. did i understand correct? |
| 09:28.41 | Penix | remoteCTR1: is your PATH correct? |
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| 09:29.09 | themill | Ramjar: it can't automatically fix user keys. Nothing can do that. It can just prevent them from using weak keys. |
| 09:29.12 | remoteCTR1 | Penix: umm, i am not sure what must be in it? |
| 09:29.13 | simonrvn | Ramjar: *host* keys |
| 09:29.38 | simonrvn | shuts up as themill is doing a better job |
| 09:29.58 | themill | was thinking he'd go back to work and leave simonrvn to deal with it |
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| 09:30.14 | Ramjar | ohh. i see. well, thats a good thing right. do i just need to run aptitude install openssh+M |
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| 09:30.26 | remoteCTR1 | Penix: i have /usr/local/bin /usr/bin and /usr/games in it seems to be missing some... |
| 09:30.37 | testEA123 | Hi |
| 09:30.41 | fabi | is there a backport or something for checkinstall which i can use under etch? |
| 09:30.48 | simonrvn | laughs, and thinks "i was planning on going to take a nap very soon" |
| 09:30.49 | themill | Ramjar: no, openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 09:30.57 | simonrvn | @comfort themill |
| 09:30.59 | ravenbird | There, there, themill. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:31.07 | themill | :) |
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| 09:33.48 | testEA123 | hehe |
| 09:34.06 | Coke | simonrvn: I need comforting too |
| 09:34.43 | simonrvn | @comfort Coke |
| 09:34.43 | ravenbird | There, there, Coke. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:38.23 | Coke | I'm having major issues with CUPS, the localhost:631 keeps giving "bad request" and nothing prints even though the queue looks correct. |
| 09:38.53 | _gAri- | is there a list of time servers somewhere? |
| 09:38.55 | Coke | I get 400 bad request when printing |
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| 09:39.10 | _gAri- | I would like to use a hungarian timeserver with Rdate, but I do not find a working one |
| 09:39.16 | fabi | hmm okay found a backport for dapper hwich works... |
| 09:39.21 | Coke | The logs reveal NOTHING, it's as if the logs aren't even for the same system |
| 09:39.43 | dimir | _gAri-: you can use an ntp pool: pool.ntp.org |
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| 09:42.16 | enouf | fabi: does stow accomplish what you want? |
| 09:42.29 | themill | fabi: istr checkinstall was removed from etch because of a bug in libc that prevented it from working properly. Take care. |
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| 09:42.49 | enouf | fabi: /msg dpkg stow |
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| 09:44.05 | fabi | enouf: themill: thanks i will look into that |
| 09:44.10 | thid | hello |
| 09:44.25 | thid | any1 know some good program for movie editing? |
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| 09:45.24 | Penix | cinelerra. open movie editor. never used either |
| 09:45.36 | enouf | heh, GUI? like cinerella and kino ? |
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| 09:46.06 | enouf | hrm, rella? or lerra? :-p |
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| 09:46.14 | Penix | lerra. I can never remember. looked it up beforehand |
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| 09:46.45 | enouf | eww, i like rella much better, flows off the tongue nicely .. :-/ |
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| 09:47.21 | Penix | you just know someone would end up using "cinerella story" as a title for an article on the project's history |
| 09:47.22 | enouf | cinerama + cinderella == ? ... see my point? :-P |
| 09:47.40 | Ramjar | themill: i did run aptitude install openssl+M libssl0.9.8+M but i did get 0 packages upgraded. do i already have the latest packages? i downloaded a check dowkd.pl and it still says that my /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub is weak |
| 09:47.54 | Penix | not that I know enough to say whether it relates or not... |
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| 09:48.28 | themill | Ramjar: what's the output of apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 ? Use a pastebin. /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 09:49.10 | Ramjar | themill: http://rafb.net/p/0TUtaM17.html |
| 09:49.38 | Coke | Gaaaarrgh! Kill CUPS authors! |
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| 09:50.01 | Coke | I have loglevel Debug, the web admin stuff just keeps crashing and NO log output at all. |
| 09:50.52 | maligor | Coke, that'd be Apple |
| 09:51.09 | thid | thx for help :) |
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| 09:51.33 | maligor | thid, I recommend the community edition |
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| 09:52.14 | maligor | oh, it's community version, not edition |
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| 09:52.32 | antgel | !tell thid -about thx |
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| 09:52.57 | maligor | blender also has a video editor |
| 09:53.21 | themill | Ramjar: you still need to do that upgrade then.... you can also aptitude install openssl=0.9.8c-4etch3 libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch3 to make it pick up the exact edition. But seriously... just dist-upgrade already, you could have done everything by now |
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| 09:53.31 | Penix | and microsoft has a web server ;) |
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| 09:54.43 | Ramjar | themill. well, thats true |
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| 09:56.50 | thid | ok sorry for thx :) thanks |
| 09:57.39 | deb08 | !tell deb08 -about thx |
| 09:57.41 | deb08 | ooops |
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| 10:01.07 | Ramjar | Big thanks again themill. it seems to work. but still the hard work is left (update all authorized_keys on every server) |
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| 10:01.33 | slxix | Well, that was odd. |
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| 10:01.51 | themill | Ramjar: indeed. Have fun. Look at the wiki for how you can do this. ssh-keygen, ssh-keygen -R, ssh-copy-id are tools you will get very familiar with :) |
| 10:02.43 | slxix | I went to a drink machine. Put in 150 yen for a 110 yen drink. 50 yen came back in return. I dropped 10 yen, and picked up 100 yen. Then I found a 10 yen coin. Now I have 160 yen and a Coca Cola. Weird. |
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| 10:03.19 | solexx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.38 | aurax | slxix, nerd? |
| 10:03.40 | aurax | ;p |
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| 10:04.35 | slxix | nerd? i'm in #debian. :) |
| 10:05.09 | aurax | exactly.. |
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| 10:08.35 | ranit | I have been trying out everything out to get my wifi up but couldn't. using compaq nx6310 with Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI + ubuntu 8.04. every possible cmd is fetching me correct result except one qvantel@QSSLP003:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart * Reconfiguring network interfaces... RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 10:08.59 | fengor | !tell ranit ubuntu |
| 10:09.12 | fengor | !tell ranit not debian |
| 10:09.27 | ranit | righto |
| 10:09.35 | fengor | !tell ranit about ubuntu |
| 10:09.44 | themill | hands fengor an "about" or two |
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| 10:09.55 | fengor | thanks themill |
| 10:11.24 | grub | yeah, but anyway, you would need restricted drivers ranit. now head over to #ubuntu :P |
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| 10:17.10 | dustybin | on a typical debian installation of postfix, how does SMTP auth users? |
| 10:17.27 | dustybin | smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes |
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| 10:18.02 | trueboar | hi |
| 10:18.07 | slxix | hello |
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| 10:18.12 | trueboar | i bet you know my problem already :-) |
| 10:18.37 | trueboar | what to do if newly generated keys (ssh-keygen) are still recognized as comppromised? |
| 10:18.38 | enouf | !8ball what's trueboar 's problem? |
| 10:18.38 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
| 10:18.41 | Eulex | dustybin, libsasl2-2 - Cyrus SASL - authentication abstraction library |
| 10:19.00 | Rienzilla | trueboar: you upgrade your ssl library |
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| 10:19.20 | slxix | (you lost that bet.) |
| 10:19.25 | trueboar | like aptitude update and then upgrade? |
| 10:19.27 | dustybin | Eulex: how could one create a user + password so i can connect to port 25 from remote ? |
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| 10:20.50 | mitziyahu | hey |
| 10:20.56 | mitziyahu | anyone here uses dirvish? |
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| 10:21.13 | enouf | trueboar: /msg dpkg ssl update ..and see /topic |
| 10:21.35 | Eulex | dustybin, I'd assume that you'd setup sasl to use the appropriate authentication module you want to use, then create the user the appropriate way for that authentication module. appears that you can authenticate through ldap and sql, among others. |
| 10:21.43 | mitziyahu | hey enouf |
| 10:21.54 | enouf | hola |
| 10:22.13 | dustybin | Eulex: i can get IMAP to auth on port 143 no problem |
| 10:24.44 | trueboar | enouf, thanks, i didnt use dist-upgrade but atill "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" so lets assume i have latest upgrades, what now? |
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| 10:25.14 | enouf | assume? i think not ;-) |
| 10:25.30 | Enverex | Has something gone wrong with Wireless support lately? I'm getting around 1300 BYTES per second over Wireless G on my laptop now :/ |
| 10:25.41 | YouBucky | Will tcp wrapper accept usernames ie "sshd: ALL EXCEPT michael : deny" ? |
| 10:26.15 | petemc | Enverex: there isnt anything generically known as wireless support, different cards have different drivers with different problems |
| 10:26.25 | YouBucky | Or only hosts,IP's domains etc? |
| 10:26.26 | enouf | dpkg -l openssl libssl0.9.8 | tail -n 2 |
| 10:26.26 | dpkg | ii openssl libssl0.9.8 | tail -n 2 3.3-11.2 enouf's private stamp collection |
| 10:26.55 | enouf | heh, trueboar do that command ^^^^ in your shell |
| 10:27.27 | Enverex | petemc, hrm, hoped it would be a well known issue. I'm using a 3945 Intel onboard chip and since I updated it's running unbelievably slow |
| 10:27.38 | trueboar | ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-1 SSL shared libraries |
| 10:27.38 | trueboar | ii openssl 0.9.8c-4etch3 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related |
| 10:28.44 | enouf | hrm, openssl looks correct version |
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| 10:31.29 | trueboar | i have even reinstalled openssl usign synaptic, i have been informed of vulnerability of my keys and installer have re-generated them... and still im getting "compromised" keys after ssh-vulnkey |
| 10:31.32 | mitziyahu | dpkg -l |
| 10:31.32 | dpkg | mitziyahu: bugger all, i dunno |
| 10:31.41 | mitziyahu | dpkg -jrd |
| 10:31.41 | dpkg | i don't know, mitziyahu |
| 10:31.47 | mitziyahu | oh heh |
| 10:32.42 | trueboar | enouf, any ideas? |
| 10:32.48 | trueboar | or anybody? :-) |
| 10:33.07 | ronr | is there some option I can pass to apt-get upgrade to do the upgrade in parts of say 10 packages at a time? |
| 10:33.28 | ronr | I'm upgrading a production server from sarge to etch and want to minimize downtime |
| 10:33.30 | ronr | and risk |
| 10:33.42 | Enverex | Why the hell does Synaptic say it has to remvoe Gnomebaker and a few other things when I try and remove my old 2.6.24 kernel image... |
| 10:34.05 | enouf | trueboar: pastebin apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 |
| 10:34.37 | enouf | trueboar: do you have security.debian.org lines in your sources.list? |
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| 10:35.02 | enouf | trueboar: pastebin sources.list too |
| 10:35.36 | trueboar | enouf, what do you mean by pastebin? |
| 10:35.47 | mitziyahu | rafb.net/paste |
| 10:35.50 | Trewas | ronr: afaik no, but you can do it manually (apt-get install some packages)... but updating something like libc6 forces updating most of the packages at the same time |
| 10:36.37 | trueboar | enouf, http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:36.39 | ronr | Trewas: too bad there's no option, I'll just do them manually |
| 10:37.04 | themill | Enverex: removing the kernel is orthogonal to it trying to remove what it think s are unneeded packages. |
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| 10:37.53 | Enverex | themill, It's an old kernel though, not the active one |
| 10:38.02 | enouf | trueboar: sorry then, i just don't know where for you to go from here |
| 10:38.05 | themill | Enverex: yes |
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| 10:38.54 | trueboar | well me neither... and ssh not working is a bit of a problem atm |
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| 10:41.04 | themill | Enverex: /msg dpkg autoremove |
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| 10:41.48 | themill | automounter is also <automount> |
| 10:41.53 | themill | gah |
| 10:42.14 | enouf | trueboar: i never ran ssh-vulnkeys .. is ssh-keygen generating new bad keys? or is ssh-vulnkeys finding weak keys you haven't rm'd still on your system? |
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| 10:43.51 | trueboar | ssh-keygen generates new bad keys as vulnkeys reports them as compromised, i regenerated every key ssh-vulnkeys reported |
| 10:44.10 | Rienzilla | trueboar: upgrade your libssl |
| 10:44.31 | trueboar | Rienzilla, its upgraded already |
| 10:44.32 | themill | trueboar: can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 openssl |
| 10:44.33 | enouf | Rienzilla: ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-1 SSL shared libraries is not ok? |
| 10:44.58 | Rienzilla | well if ssh-keygen generates weak keys it obviously still uses a broken library |
| 10:45.10 | enouf | i know it doesn't match his openssl -> ii openssl 0.9.8c-4etch3 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related |
| 10:45.21 | Rienzilla | so either you have a weird self-built ssh which has the broken library compiled in, or your ssl library is not up to date |
| 10:45.36 | trueboar | themill, http://rafb.net/p/2CtI6120.html |
| 10:45.50 | Rienzilla | maybe you retrieve your openssl from another repository? or you jhave it pinned for some reason? |
| 10:45.59 | themill | trueboar: is that yours output that you pasted in earlier? "libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-1"? |
| 10:46.11 | trueboar | yes |
| 10:46.11 | jelly | enouf: but libssl0.9.8 is what matters, not openssl |
| 10:46.21 | themill | trueboar: OK, so where did libssl0.9.8g-1 come from? |
| 10:46.30 | trueboar | aptitude upgrade |
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| 10:46.34 | enouf | jelly: ok, bad version there? |
| 10:46.35 | themill | trueboar: bullshit |
| 10:46.47 | Rienzilla | maybe he has a weird sources.list? |
| 10:46.47 | jelly | trueboar: pastebin apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 |
| 10:47.04 | trueboar | themill, im sorry... im not a pro |
| 10:47.09 | themill | trueboar: that's a very very old version of that library and has never been in etch. It's an old lenny package. Have you been mixing repos? |
| 10:47.23 | themill | jelly: [11:45] <trueboar> themill, http://rafb.net/p/2CtI6120.html |
| 10:47.32 | jelly | trueboar: I bet you had testing or unstable repos enabled at some point |
| 10:48.08 | enouf | jelly: i don't know b/c i'm on a lenny/sid mix so i have these versions; ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8g-10 SSL shared libraries ii openssl 0.9.8g-10 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related |
| 10:48.17 | trueboar | http://rafb.net/p/LqBwwC76.html |
| 10:48.43 | enouf | i was thinking the 8g indicated lenny or higher |
| 10:48.47 | jelly | trueboar: aptitude install libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch3 |
| 10:49.24 | Eulex | enouf, it does |
| 10:49.39 | enouf | i asked that he paste his sources.list .. to no avail though |
| 10:49.47 | enouf | Eulex: thanks |
| 10:50.01 | themill | *old* lenny... *very* old lenny. |
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| 10:50.10 | jelly | enouf: apt-cache policy provides enough data; apparently she has had a weird sources.list |
| 10:50.23 | jelly | ... one upon a time |
| 10:50.30 | enouf | heh, sounds like me - i need like 900+ upgrades O_o |
| 10:51.05 | enouf | jelly: i see, makes sense now - thought so, but wasn't sure and i didn't want to speculate with such an issue |
| 10:51.54 | themill | trueboar: you might like to go into synaptic or aptitude and look at the "Obsolete or locally installed packages" section to see what other old packages you have from when you were dabbling with lenny. |
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| 10:52.54 | CrocoJet | I put in my sourcelist "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib". How can I make this repository disable mode, only want in few times ? |
| 10:52.59 | trueboar | themill, thanks, i can't recall any dabbling with lenny, but i remember that friend helped me with upgrade to etch some time ago |
| 10:53.21 | trueboar | so maybe then we tried something... |
| 10:53.36 | CrocoJet | is necessary edit sourcelist and use "#" ? |
| 10:53.47 | Decepticon | how do i make my computer quieter, its humming away in the corner... it didnt use to be so loud before i installed a graphics card |
| 10:53.59 | SlayerXP | Decepticon: remove all the moving parts. |
| 10:54.20 | enouf | dip it in liquid nitrogen ? |
| 10:54.38 | Decepticon | i cant tell what it is, is it a fan or something else thats making this noise |
| 10:55.16 | enouf | Decepticon: likely the graphics card fan, but could also be your PSU fan from increased voltage draw |
| 10:55.31 | Decepticon | so i should get a better PSU? |
| 10:55.36 | jelly | Decepticon: ##hardware |
| 10:55.39 | Decepticon | ok |
| 10:55.49 | enouf | oh - perhaps even getting hotter inside the case, so PSU fan revs up |
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| 10:56.52 | Deezire | I've had problems with chipset fans that makes alot of noise. |
| 10:57.08 | enouf | Decepticon: what Video Card is it? |
| 10:57.25 | Decepticon | its a old dell optiplex gx150 with a nvidia geforce fx 5500 |
| 10:58.36 | enouf | so the card isn't new? those OEMs give cheap PSUs most times, but i wouldn't be so quick to say it's the cause, open the friggen case already |
| 10:59.03 | Decepticon | yeah afaik the PSU is 200W |
| 10:59.20 | enouf | O_o .. i feel your pain, heh |
| 10:59.23 | Decepticon | ive been meaning to upgrade, and needed 1 more reason... if the noise is because of it, im upgrading tomorrow |
| 11:00.03 | enouf | er, were the Dell PSUs of the era still their "proprietary" versions? |
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| 11:00.28 | Decepticon | ive looked around a bit, it didnt seem like this optiplex has those propetary versions |
| 11:00.51 | Decepticon | i can always call and confirm with dell though |
| 11:00.54 | enouf | Decepticon: http://www.informit.com/articles/printerfriendly.aspx?p=31105 search for Dell - it'll tell you all about them |
| 11:01.30 | enouf | Decepticon: pretty sure they stopped ~2001 the latest |
| 11:01.51 | enouf | but 200w seems ~ that time frame :-P |
| 11:02.17 | trueboar | themill, in those "obsolete..." packages list i have one (among others i know) that might be a problem in the future (i think), can you tell me if im right? package name is: linux-libc-dev |
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| 11:02.41 | enouf | Decepticon: anyways, i know pcpowerandcooling.com sells replacements, but meh |
| 11:03.06 | Decepticon | i sholdnt get a new PSU from newegg then? |
| 11:03.18 | enouf | uh, it depends :-) |
| 11:03.32 | themill | trueboar: linux-libc-dev is not in etch at all. But what kernel are you using? (uname -r) |
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| 11:04.07 | sdx | i get iptables-restore v1.3.5: iptables-restore: unable to initializetable 'nat' |
| 11:04.15 | sdx | when using iptables-restore |
| 11:04.19 | sdx | how can i fix this? |
| 11:04.35 | trueboar | themill, i have some custom build kernel (from may 2007), but im using 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:04.40 | trueboar | official 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:04.41 | Rienzilla | make sure there's support for nat in your kernel |
| 11:04.49 | enouf | themill: would i be correct in thinking that newer kernels will many times pull in / need a new libc6 for ABI compatibility? |
| 11:05.08 | themill | trueboar: if you only need the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, then you don't need the linux-libc-dev package |
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| 11:05.34 | themill | enouf: shouldn't need to. userspace should always be backwards to an older libc |
| 11:06.07 | CrocoJet | where I can find package "gcc_c++" ? |
| 11:06.11 | enouf | well, the kernel is hardly userspace :-P |
| 11:06.22 | themill | enouf: libc is though |
| 11:06.35 | enouf | right, okie doke, thanks |
| 11:06.57 | themill | enouf: erm... what I meant, was the kernel's userspace should always be backwards compatible so that an older libc should still work :) |
| 11:06.58 | trueboar | themill, thank you, one more thing if i may... |
| 11:07.08 | CrocoJet | to compile nvidia driver, do I need gcc_c++, right ? |
| 11:07.21 | themill | !b-e CrocoJet |
| 11:07.21 | dpkg | CrocoJet: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 11:07.46 | CrocoJet | build-essencial do not works here |
| 11:08.06 | CrocoJet | driver do not up, after install |
| 11:08.07 | jelly | CrocoJet: typo? |
| 11:08.10 | themill | CrocoJet: (1) check spelling, (2) /msg dpkg doesn't work |
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| 11:08.41 | jelly | !pt |
| 11:08.42 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 11:08.48 | trueboar | http://rafb.net/p/EqBata80.html |
| 11:09.07 | CrocoJet | am I writing in portuguese here ? |
| 11:09.29 | jelly | no, but your english isn't that great |
| 11:09.39 | enouf | oh stop |
| 11:09.58 | CrocoJet | your english is not great also .. come one |
| 11:10.20 | CrocoJet | jelly, unnecessary words, |
| 11:10.28 | themill | !ot |
| 11:10.28 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 11:10.34 | petemc | pleonastic |
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| 11:12.01 | jelly | CrocoJet: I'm not complaining about your english, just think you might get help over there |
| 11:12.21 | CrocoJet | jelly, dont worry, forget it |
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| 11:14.14 | trueboar | regarding http://rafb.net/p/EqBata80.html i have a firewall rule: SSH/ACCEPT Any Firewall Any |
| 11:15.17 | petemc | !+debug sshd |
| 11:15.17 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 11:18.46 | trueboar | petemc, thanks, again problems with keys and additional msg: No supported key exchange algorithms |
| 11:19.25 | petemc | trueboar: so now you go off and look up what those errors mean |
| 11:19.26 | trueboar | ssh-vulnkey reports no compromised keys, but it shows two as a "Not blacklisted" explicitly |
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| 11:19.43 | petemc | trueboar: concentrate on the one thing at a time |
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| 11:21.07 | sdx | Rienzilla, i don't have |
| 11:21.25 | sdx | Rienzilla, but recompiling the kernel is not an option. any other solutions? |
| 11:22.09 | hazard1nc | hmm anyone know where the default firmware directory is located? |
| 11:22.09 | hazard1nc | is it /lib/firmware? |
| 11:22.21 | hazard1nc | :( |
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| 11:22.33 | jelly | hazard1nc: it is |
| 11:23.38 | jelly | sdx: use a distro provided one, then |
| 11:24.31 | sdx | jelly; |
| 11:24.40 | sdx | jelly: not possible :( |
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| 11:25.02 | Rienzilla | compile a module |
| 11:25.02 | bAndie91 | hi all |
| 11:25.02 | jelly | sdx: you can't add a kernel feature without changing the kernel, I'm afraid |
| 11:25.25 | Rienzilla | if you don't have module support, then you're out of luck |
| 11:25.31 | mitziyahu | the default kernel doesn't have nat? |
| 11:25.32 | bAndie91 | ive a big problem with my packages |
| 11:25.52 | bAndie91 | i cant install or remove any packages |
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| 11:27.01 | jelly | !tell bAndie91 -about ask |
| 11:27.02 | themill | !tell bAndie91about bat |
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| 11:27.20 | bAndie91 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:27.34 | themill | bAndie91: that's not the real error... pastebin the entire lot |
| 11:27.41 | bAndie91 | moment |
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| 11:29.10 | bAndie91 | www.szignum.hu/.emag/a |
| 11:29.37 | bAndie91 | this is the stderr of apt-get remove |
| 11:30.21 | bAndie91 | (i ve hungarian locale ) |
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| 11:30.55 | jelly | bAndie91: apt-cache policy blueman |
| 11:31.01 | Zazu | ASL |
| 11:31.27 | bAndie91 | ya, im going |
| 11:31.59 | Bushmills | dpkg, bat is a small nocturnal mammal of the chiroptera order. or an evil spammer friendly mail client. or a potential LART. |
| 11:32.00 | dpkg | Bushmills: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 11:32.00 | dpkg | Bushmills: You are moron #23 |
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| 11:32.34 | themill | Bushmills: fail |
| 11:32.41 | jelly | themill: I think it's a win. |
| 11:32.48 | themill | jelly: for dpkg |
| 11:33.06 | Bushmills | themill: actually, didn't dpkg expect to have a bat factoid. thought you meant nat, and typoed it as bat |
| 11:33.22 | jelly | themill: he did forget "no, ", so it wouldn't have worked anyway |
| 11:33.44 | bAndie91 | jelly, the error is same as |
| 11:34.06 | jelly | bAndie91: pastebin the output of "LANG=C apt-cache policy blueman" |
| 11:34.44 | themill | Bushmills: if editing factoids, always /msg dpkg literal factoid_name etch first too as they may be a link to another factoid. Check and double check first (in a msg) before making the change. Saves breakages or fuck-ups. |
| 11:34.48 | jelly | bAndie91: this package doesn't seem to be a part of Debian. What debian release are you running? |
| 11:35.05 | bAndie91 | apt-policy 's output: www.szignum.hu/.emag/b |
| 11:35.18 | themill | !tell bAndie91 about ubuntu |
| 11:35.38 | Bushmills | themill: 'k. thought adding factoid in channel also publishes information of their existence, if new. |
| 11:36.00 | bAndie91 | themill, its not an official package, i think its the source of problem |
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| 11:37.23 | trueboar | petemc, well i did google for my problem i found nothing so i have reinstalled openssh-server and it's ok |
| 11:37.46 | petemc | all good |
| 11:37.50 | zyx386_ | which package most i installing wfor this wireless device |
| 11:37.52 | zyx386_ | Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 11:37.52 | jelly | bAndie91: the easiest thing to do is to add "exit 0" as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/blueman.prerm, then try removing it again. This will shortcut the package's removal scripts and leave cruft on your system |
| 11:37.59 | zyx386_ | ? |
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| 11:38.21 | jelly | bAndie91: ... don't install crap packages on your Debian machine |
| 11:38.25 | bAndie91 | jelly, thx , im going to do |
| 11:38.50 | bAndie91 | i will never insall craps anymore |
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| 11:39.33 | jelly | bAndie91: (corollary: do not install packages created for some other distro) |
| 11:40.03 | bAndie91 | understand |
| 11:40.07 | zyx386_ | how can active my wireless device? |
| 11:41.09 | zyx386_ | http://nopaste.info/2658cf6c1d.html |
| 11:41.22 | zyx386_ | b43 or bmc43 |
| 11:41.25 | bAndie91 | jelly, thx, it works |
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| 11:42.26 | themill | Bushmills: it does, but with 38092 factoids, it's worth checking that they don't exist already.... |
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| 11:44.49 | Zazuuuu | hi |
| 11:44.58 | flokuehn_ | zyx386_: i configured my wireless adapter via iwconfig which you can find in package wireless-tools |
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| 11:45.27 | zyx386_ | flokuehn_, thanx i finde it and |
| 11:45.31 | zyx386_ | _* |
| 11:45.35 | msshams | when i try to install mod-security2-common with apt it says: Package mod-security2-common has no installation candidate! can you please help me? |
| 11:46.12 | jelly | msshams: is mod-security packaged at all? |
| 11:46.48 | x03 | jelly: think not |
| 11:47.05 | x03 | you need use non-oficial mirror |
| 11:47.07 | jelly | I thought upstream was against redistribution of binary packages |
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| 11:48.02 | sdx | how do i see all the pkgs installed? |
| 11:48.22 | mquin | sdx: dpkg -l |
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| 11:50.21 | enouf | trueboar: none of the factoids mention do; dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server? |
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| 11:51.18 | CrocoJet | jelly, no debian-hr channel ? |
| 11:52.13 | jelly | not one I know of, CrocoJet |
| 11:52.36 | CrocoJet | jelly, create one ! |
| 11:52.56 | x03 | hi |
| 11:53.11 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 11:53.25 | CrocoJet | europeans are very crazy .. |
| 11:53.39 | disposable | my flashplayer keeps crashing iceweasel. can gnash handle youtube? |
| 11:53.42 | zyx386_ | how can i fix this error? http://nopaste.info/cff45d03ed.html |
| 11:53.44 | jelly | shrugs |
| 11:54.26 | CrocoJet | well .. explain why europe is getting old and more older |
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| 11:55.06 | flokuehn | CrocoJet: what do you mean by older and older ? |
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| 11:55.51 | CrocoJet | flokuehn, old fashioned people |
| 11:56.10 | sdx | is there a packages_0 in debian? |
| 11:56.16 | jelly | CrocoJet: don't generalize based on one sample, there's plenty of sane people from that continent here. |
| 11:56.17 | themill | zyx386_: /msg dpkg bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
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| 11:58.46 | jelly | sdx: what? |
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| 11:59.25 | sdx | where can i see what packages are installed when i don't select anything in tasksel |
| 11:59.29 | sdx | ? |
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| 12:01.58 | zyx386_ | themill, thanx perfect |
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| 12:02.05 | themill | :) |
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| 12:13.16 | wols_ | I got a (S)VCD which has pictures on it. headers says RIFF/CDXA and I need them in a normal format like jpg or such. anyone know something in the repos which could convert that? |
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| 12:16.06 | Trewas | wols_: mplayer can output video as images (-vo something), maybe not the most convenient way though |
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| 12:19.03 | fengor | hmm quick question regarding debian policy. is the ASL considered a free license by debian? |
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| 12:20.00 | sep | fengor, i belive so see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 12:20.09 | dustybin | when one installs postfix on debian, is it chrooted by default? |
| 12:20.25 | jelly | <dustybin> |
| 12:20.33 | fengor | thanks sep |
| 12:20.44 | wols_ | dustybin: yes. see /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 12:20.55 | wols_ | parts of it are, not all |
| 12:21.01 | dustybin | when one installs SASL on debian, is it chrooted by default? |
| 12:21.18 | Zazuuuu | I wanna squid in transparent mode does anyone have any idea? |
| 12:21.24 | wols_ | irrelevant. sasl is called by postfix, whatever it is, it is too |
| 12:21.25 | Zazuuuu | I wanna users going out with their ip |
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| 12:21.41 | petemc | Zazuuuu: any idea about what? |
| 12:21.45 | wols_ | Zazuuuu: there are tons of howtos for transparent squid I think |
| 12:21.49 | petemc | Zazuuuu: its well documented and very easy to do |
| 12:22.02 | Zazuuuu | how to configure squid in this mode |
| 12:22.05 | jelly | dustybin: yes (in case noone answered in the meantime) |
| 12:22.31 | Zazuuuu | yes but none of them are usefull |
| 12:22.39 | petemc | lies |
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| 12:22.53 | Zazuuuu | I mean at the end squid proxy its ip |
| 12:22.56 | CaT[t3] | zazuuuu: then, I am afraid, the weasels will come. |
| 12:22.58 | wols_ | then maybe you should ask a more specific question, Zazuuuu |
| 12:23.21 | dustybin | at the end of my /etc/default/saslauthd file i have these options |
| 12:23.24 | dustybin | OPTIONS="-c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" |
| 12:23.24 | dustybin | DEB_WDIR="/var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/" |
| 12:23.24 | dustybin | PARAMS="-m ${DEB_WDIR}" |
| 12:23.26 | wols_ | Zazuuuu: transparent means it'S transparent to the client |
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| 12:24.42 | dustybin | however, when i start saslauthd it errors |
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| 12:24.56 | dustybin | * Short name (NAME) undefined in /etc/default/saslauthd, using default |
| 12:24.57 | dustybin | Starting : default* No run directory defined for default, not starting |
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| 12:26.07 | nirupama | can i place debian image in pendrive through windows |
| 12:26.27 | nirupama | as i dont have linux installed in my machine and dont have any cdrom drive too |
| 12:26.57 | flokuehn | nirupama: you want to install debian from usb stick, am i right? |
| 12:27.07 | nirupama | and also I want to learn how to create an pendrive image through windows.This will help me in moving from windows to debian very soon |
| 12:27.16 | jelly | dustybin: and does $DEB_WDIR exist? |
| 12:27.26 | nirupama | flokuehn, yes thats correct and i want to make it my self |
| 12:27.41 | mutante | nirupama: goodbye-microsoft.com , a Debian installer you can just start in running Windows |
| 12:27.58 | mutante | (debian.exe) |
| 12:28.13 | nirupama | mutante, any link |
| 12:28.15 | flokuehn | nirupama: otherwise here you can find an howto for installing debian from usb stick. http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 12:28.23 | nirupama | mutante, what about pendrive option |
| 12:28.28 | mutante | nirupama: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 12:28.52 | nirupama | mutante, flokuehn are those links for doing in windows. |
| 12:29.01 | dustybin | jelly: it does but nothing is inside it |
| 12:29.19 | jelly | dustybin: on a sarge machine, I also have this workaround in /etc/default/saslauthd: [ ! -L /var/run/saslauthd -a -d /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -a ! -d /var/run/saslauthd ] && ln -s /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd /var/run/saslauthd || true |
| 12:29.23 | mutante | nirupama: yes, but it doesnt create a USB stick for you, you just click the setup.exe in Windows, then reboot, then it starts the installer |
| 12:30.17 | flokuehn | nirupama: mine is not for doing under windows |
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| 12:30.23 | dustybin | jelly: aye ok, im going to remove sasl and start again |
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| 12:31.05 | mutante | nirupama: if you still want a stick, and in Windows, i think you want "rawrite.exe" to write the stick, just like you would use it to create a floppy |
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| 12:32.16 | dustybin | libsasl2-2 <--- this is whats causing me problems |
| 12:32.25 | Spirit_ | hi, would anyone be so nice to guide me through setting up my HP Laserjet 1100 with debian lenny? i already installed hplip, hpijs and cups, but now i have no idea what to do |
| 12:32.59 | nirupama | mutante, any link for that |
| 12:33.01 | Juventino | guys, can i ask more about back porting? |
| 12:33.39 | vlt | Hello. Does `lame` use a conf file where I set default options, so I do not have to type them over and over? |
| 12:34.50 | deb08 | Spirit_: connect to localhost:631 |
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| 12:34.57 | Spirit_ | vlt: i don't think so, but you could use an alias for it in .bashrc |
| 12:35.11 | Spirit_ | deb08: ah, excellent. cheers :) |
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| 12:35.18 | deb08 | Spirit_: the click add printer |
| 12:35.28 | deb08 | (something like that) |
| 12:35.43 | Spirit_ | yeah, i'll find my way through i hope |
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| 12:44.07 | Spirit_ | deb08: thanks, the printer works :) |
| 12:44.21 | deb08 | Spirit_: you'r welcome :p |
| 12:45.40 | Juventino | guys, anyone? i wanna backport debian.. but i'm not sure what to do.. |
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| 12:46.04 | sep | Juventino, backport ALL of debian ? :) |
| 12:46.11 | sep | !simple sid backport |
| 12:46.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 12:46.49 | Juventino | sep not all of it, just the intel video driver, and the kernel's image |
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| 12:48.06 | flokuehn | nirupama: if it is possible to you to get an knoppix, you can boot the knoppix and make the usb stick via the knoppix live cd. |
| 12:48.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Juventino about etchnhalf |
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| 12:48.39 | nirupama | flokuehn, but I want debians |
| 12:48.45 | orveldv | but why does dpkg talk about apt-this and apt-that; isn't aptitude the recommended one? |
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| 12:48.51 | nirupama | flokuehn, even i got the knoppix link |
| 12:49.10 | themill | orveldv: it is for etch, but apt-get still does an admirable job. |
| 12:49.20 | nirupama | flokuehn, do we need any extra file for making a pendrive instrallation in windows |
| 12:49.29 | nirupama | flokuehn, any .exe file |
| 12:49.46 | flokuehn | nirupama: i guess you misunderstood. knoppix is an live cd, so you do not install this on your machine. live cd means it is an linux running from cd. |
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| 12:49.53 | Juventino | themill, can i update debian with that? or i have to get the new image? |
| 12:50.11 | nirupama | flokuehn, oh ok you meant that |
| 12:50.22 | themill | Juventino: you can indeed. I'm not sure if the intel video update is ready yet, but the kernel is certainly just an apt-get away |
| 12:51.22 | orveldv | themill: I see; I'm a little confused since I'm coming from gentoo where only one app is used for managing packages (i mean, officially) |
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| 12:51.26 | Juventino | themill, deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free <<--- that's the correct mirror? |
| 12:51.29 | flokuehn | nirupama: yes. because you need some linux tools to create the usb stick. so you download the iso file of the knoppix burn in to cd, then boot it then crate the bootable usb stick with the knoppix linux and then install debian via usb stick. |
| 12:51.55 | nirupama | flokuehn, oh great |
| 12:51.59 | themill | Juventino: no, etchnhalf is in etch-proposed-updates. Follow the instructions on the wiki |
| 12:52.01 | nirupama | flokuehn, I understood |
| 12:52.10 | flokuehn | nirupama: thats my way, because i dont know how to prepare the usb stick via windows. |
| 12:52.16 | Juventino | themill ok :) |
| 12:52.28 | nirupama | flokuehn, ya even i did not get any link.except ubuntus |
| 12:52.30 | nirupama | and knoppix |
| 12:53.19 | flokuehn | nirupama: follow this link and you will find an howto for preparing an usb stick to install debian via usb stick |
| 12:53.23 | flokuehn | http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 12:53.57 | flokuehn | nirupama: i installed my ibm laptop with an usb stick created after this tutorial |
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| 12:54.30 | nirupama | flokuehn, great.even i have created an pendrive image in linux but never tried with windows |
| 12:54.56 | nirupama | flokuehn, and since i got a machine with no cdrom drive and no linux and no other go i have to try this method |
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| 12:55.23 | flokuehn | nirupama: good luck with this. |
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| 12:57.29 | Juventino | so, now i'll backport it, i should just update the kernel and the video driver i need? |
| 12:57.35 | nirupama | flokuehn, thank you |
| 12:57.47 | nirupama | mutante, thank you |
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| 12:59.35 | orveldv | btw, is there some functionality in apt that lacks in aptitude and which might force me to use apt from time to time? |
| 13:01.38 | Spirit_ | i didn't use apt for about a year now |
| 13:02.09 | themill | orveldv: /msg dpkg why aptitude /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
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| 13:04.58 | orveldv | themill: I see, thank you. So besides "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep", aptitude can do all the apt-* things. |
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| 13:05.59 | themill | orveldv: pretty much. It doesn't apt-file though (although that is separate to apt-get) or apt-cdrom etc. It's search is rather different to apt-cache search too. |
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| 13:06.09 | sander_m | Hello. I am having some problems with metacity under Lenny. I get strange screen flashes. As if my screen resizes or jumps to the left for a split-second. I thought my monitor was bad but it doesn't happen under compiz. Does this sound familliar to someone? |
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| 13:06.18 | themill | orveldv: so it replaces apt-get for most things but not apt-*. |
| 13:06.43 | orveldv | themill: oh. I see now. Thanks. |
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| 13:07.07 | Juventino | hmmm |
| 13:08.00 | Juventino | i added deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch-proposed-updates main , on the wiki it says that xserver-xorg-video-intel is included, but i can't find it in apt-cache search |
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| 13:09.13 | themill | Juventino: yeah, just after we were talking earlier, I noticed that etchnhalf seems to have disappeared from etch-proposed-updates. That might mean that it's been moved somewhere else for actual release, but I'm not sure. |
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| 13:09.49 | Juventino | so, should i wait a while say till tonight or something before doing it? |
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| 13:10.07 | anoHito | hi guys, does anyone know how do i fix this --> The following packages have been kept back: openssh-client openssh-server |
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| 13:10.22 | Juventino | anoHito as far as i know that's not an error |
| 13:10.35 | themill | Juventino: do have a look at: http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/etchnhalf/ |
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| 13:10.45 | anoHito | Juventino, would you tell me how do i check what has them kept back ? |
| 13:10.50 | themill | anoHito: /msg dpkg ssl update |
| 13:11.07 | anoHito | themill, not ssl, ssh though |
| 13:11.10 | acemi | anoHito: aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:11.15 | themill | anoHito: /msg dpkg ssl update |
| 13:11.53 | themill | anoHito: read first, argue later :) |
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| 13:13.16 | anoHito | yeah,just read. |
| 13:13.31 | anoHito | i wonder if i do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade, by then will it break my system ?it is a working production server. |
| 13:13.57 | Spirit_ | heh, i picked the wrong driver first and wondered why printing one single page took about a minute :) |
| 13:13.57 | themill | anoHito: if you have a sensible sources.list, a dist-upgrade should always be safe. |
| 13:14.00 | Juventino | well |
| 13:14.24 | Juventino | i can only find the Kernel's package, i can't find the video driver :'( |
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| 13:14.36 | zxd | what is a valid fsid i can use with nfsexport |
| 13:14.39 | anoHito | i mean, if i do that, it will install not only those packages mentioned,but also every other things ? |
| 13:14.44 | themill | Juventino: the video driver is here: http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/etchnhalf/ Where did you find the kernel in the end? |
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| 13:15.32 | anoHito | hi themill ,what if i leave them alone ? does this mean my ssh is not up2dated ? |
| 13:15.35 | Juventino | themill it's in the search.. |
| 13:15.40 | Juventino | i opened aptitude, it's there |
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| 13:16.04 | pingouin | !dpkg dsa1571 |
| 13:16.27 | pingouin | someone can tell dpkg to tell me about dsa, it doesnt answer to me |
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| 13:16.41 | pingouin | i need a url to read about what to do ! please, thanks |
| 13:16.55 | lopov | hey guys, ive been browsing the net to find a way to stream audio that comes from the phone via bluetooth to the speakers, but I havent had any luck... all that comes up is for audio to be streamed to the bluetooth headset. is there such an app that does what i want? |
| 13:17.00 | wols_ | !tell pingouin about dsa |
| 13:17.07 | anoHito | hi wols_ :( |
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| 13:17.13 | pingouin | great wols_ , thanks it works now ;) |
| 13:17.34 | anoHito | i would only need to have my ssh up2date,but i cannot upgrade by doing apt-get upgrade. |
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| 13:17.48 | wols_ | anoHito: apt-get install ssh |
| 13:17.55 | wols_ | or rather: libssl |
| 13:18.06 | anoHito | wols_, my server has ssh installed already and running well. |
| 13:18.13 | wols_ | so? |
| 13:18.32 | wols_ | it'S still not the proper libssl version. you are still vulnerable if you haven't updated it |
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| 13:18.42 | Juventino | well guys, should i get the linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf? |
| 13:18.46 | anoHito | wols_, so,now i run apt-get update && upgrade,says The following packages have been kept back: openssh-client openssh-server |
| 13:18.59 | ub4b | just remastered ubuntu server cd: anna complains about bad md5sum (filename not shown), but when I Check the CD for defects everything is correct |
| 13:19.00 | anoHito | wols_, i am on debian etch. |
| 13:19.12 | wols_ | anoHito: yes cause they'd need addtional, new packages.. hence kept back |
| 13:19.14 | mitziyahu | it's vulnerable |
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| 13:19.23 | halflife | ub4b: #ubuntu |
| 13:19.26 | wols_ | which is why I told you to use apt-get install on those packages. just do it |
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| 13:19.46 | Juventino | hey Lagbolt |
| 13:19.53 | Lagbolt | hey |
| 13:20.00 | Juventino | what's up? |
| 13:20.39 | Lagbolt | nada |
| 13:20.40 | Lagbolt | u? |
| 13:20.46 | Juventino | backporting :s |
| 13:20.47 | Juventino | lol |
| 13:20.52 | Lagbolt | what are you porting? |
| 13:21.03 | Juventino | the kernel and intel's driver |
| 13:21.11 | Lagbolt | did you see the etch and a half thing? |
| 13:21.17 | Juventino | yea |
| 13:21.20 | Juventino | that's what i'm doing |
| 13:21.26 | anoHito | wols_, i just ran apt-get install ssh, says Setting up ssh (4.3p2-9etch2),seems its installed,now i run apt-get update && upgrade,still says they are kept back . |
| 13:21.32 | Juventino | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch-proposed-updates main |
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| 13:21.34 | Lagbolt | oh, you arent doing the backporting? |
| 13:21.39 | Lagbolt | you are just installing |
| 13:21.49 | Juventino | well i read the man u gave me the last time, |
| 13:21.54 | Lagbolt | ah ok |
| 13:21.56 | pablo_ | hi, from where does deborphan and debfoster take the info? |
| 13:21.58 | Juventino | and.. it wasn't that easy actually, and i got stuck |
| 13:22.37 | wols_ | pablo_: from your on disk apt and dpkg databases |
| 13:22.57 | Lagbolt | didnt think it would be easy for a first time try |
| 13:23.07 | Juventino | Lagbolt should i comment out the rest of the sources.list? |
| 13:23.08 | pablo_ | wols_: where are those db? i mean which files are them? |
| 13:23.38 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.52 | Juventino | Lagbolt, so i just make aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 ? |
| 13:24.14 | Lagbolt | i dont know, what was that website again? |
| 13:24.30 | Juventino | http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 13:25.04 | themill | anoHito: you need to dist-upgrade |
| 13:25.57 | wols_ | themill: what for? well maybe other security updates but apt-get install openssh-server should be fine |
| 13:26.00 | Lagbolt | Juventino, it says "simply add" :) dont remove anything |
| 13:26.20 | themill | wols_: yes, that's fine, but just "upgrade" won't work. |
| 13:26.25 | Juventino | Lagbolt cool :D, and then aptitude install packagename ? |
| 13:26.31 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 13:26.39 | Lagbolt | just like you normally would |
| 13:26.39 | themill | wols_: and nor will apt-get install ssh as the deps aren't versioned |
| 13:26.54 | Juventino | ok, last question: it'll replace the non-free drivers? |
| 13:26.59 | wols_ | :( |
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| 13:27.10 | Juventino | andash, http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/etchnhalf/ <-- which file should i get? |
| 13:27.14 | Lagbolt | Juventino, such as? |
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| 13:27.55 | Lagbolt | which file? |
| 13:28.00 | Juventino | Lagbolt these are the intel drivers, they are not included in the mirror |
| 13:28.05 | anoHito | themill, i done it, everything is fine but proftpd |
| 13:28.05 | Lagbolt | they arent? |
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| 13:28.18 | anoHito | proftpd has been upgraded,now i cannot start it |
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| 13:28.32 | Eulex | Juventino, intel drivers go with xorg. |
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| 13:28.40 | anoHito | Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'DisplayChdir' on line 60 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 13:28.47 | Juventino | Lagbolt no, xserver-xorg-video-intel (version 2.2.1, staged at http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/etchnhalf/ - |
| 13:29.02 | Juventino | Eulex i'm using etch here, they are not included yet |
| 13:29.25 | Lagbolt | well get the .deb :) |
| 13:29.26 | halflife | hello folks, i had installed ati proprietry driver. the screensaver locks up really bad and the only way to recover is to reboot the system, the card is X600, any recommendations ? is there away to disable the gl component ? |
| 13:29.28 | Nonel | /server globalirc.zapto.org |
| 13:29.46 | Eulex | Juventino, the i810 one is in etch |
| 13:29.55 | Nonel | /server globalirc.zapto.org |
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| 13:30.04 | Eulex | Juventino, it will work as good as before with a new kernel. |
| 13:30.06 | Juventino | Eulex yes, but i810 doesn't support my chipset |
| 13:30.18 | Juventino | Lagbolt, there are 2 .deb :s |
| 13:30.19 | Juventino | lol |
| 13:30.21 | Lagbolt | Eulex, he is trying to use etchnhalf |
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| 13:30.38 | Lagbolt | the non dbg one? lol |
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| 13:31.15 | Juventino | lol ok thnx Lagbolt |
| 13:31.21 | Juventino | will get the kernel now |
| 13:31.35 | Lagbolt | let me read the diff :) |
| 13:31.37 | Juventino | then i think i'll get the wireless driver again and then get intel's |
| 13:31.50 | Juventino | ok Lagbolt, i still have time till i read it.. lol |
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| 13:32.05 | Lagbolt | oh that is dbg |
| 13:32.13 | Lagbolt | if you want debugging use that one |
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| 13:32.45 | Juventino | do i look like a debugging person? :P |
| 13:32.49 | dustybin | getting SASL working with POSTFIX is a bastard and a half |
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| 13:33.05 | dustybin | one needs to do all kinds of stuff, even editing the /etc/init.d/saslauthd file |
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| 13:33.24 | mutante | dustybin: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#step-9-authenticated-smtp ? |
| 13:33.39 | Juventino | Question though, do i need to install the non-free drivers again? |
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| 13:33.57 | mutante | "Authenticated SMTP with Postfix has always been a pain. It was done through the SASL (Simple Authentication and Security Layer) library that was part of the Cyrus mail server. It was nearly impossible to debug and threw error messages that were gibberish and misleading. Fortunately starting with Postfix 2.3 we can make Postfix ask the Dovecot server to verify the username and password. And since you already configured Dovecot this is really easy now. " |
| 13:33.59 | Eulex | you will have to rebuild binary drivers |
| 13:34.07 | Eulex | and perhaps update the versions of them |
| 13:34.29 | anoHito | guys, does anyone know what does this use for --> DisplayChdir ,in proftpd.conf, please :( |
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| 13:34.45 | dustybin | should i remove SASL and use DOVECOT |
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| 13:35.15 | mutante | dustybin: i have not tried it before postfix 2.3, but i can confirm the way in the tutorial above works for me |
| 13:35.17 | wols_ | dustybin: I wouldn't |
| 13:35.29 | wols_ | easiest is to remove the postfix chroot |
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| 13:35.34 | anoHito | wols_, it is very strange, after i done dist-upgrade |
| 13:35.42 | dustybin | wols_: then i will get hacked |
| 13:35.52 | Bushmills | dustybin: i ended up using openvpn, and adding the vpn net to mynetworks |
| 13:35.59 | wols_ | sasl got a lot better from sasl1 days, especially since you have debs and don't need to compile it |
| 13:36.02 | dustybin | jeeze what a nightmware |
| 13:36.04 | wols_ | dustybin: and you think so why? |
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| 13:36.14 | anoHito | wols_, now i run apt-get update && upgrade,it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.1 not fully installed or removed.Need to get 0B of archives.After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
| 13:36.23 | Juventino | will the old kernel be replaced? |
| 13:36.24 | Juventino | lol |
| 13:36.29 | dustybin | im running lenny on my mail server |
| 13:36.37 | readworld | who is hacked? |
| 13:36.37 | dustybin | all i did was remove --purge sasl and re-installed it |
| 13:36.43 | dustybin | and it messed up my whole server |
| 13:36.44 | Lagbolt | Juventino, no it should be left |
| 13:36.49 | Lagbolt | did it say it was going to remove it? |
| 13:37.04 | wols_ | a chroot is not for sandboxing apps. and you have no business at all to connect an app to the interwebs which you think is insecure |
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| 13:37.13 | Juventino | Lagbolt, no, but now, when i boot, which kernel will be used? or do i have to change it? |
| 13:37.15 | readworld | my friend have bug in ssl |
| 13:37.35 | wols_ | dustybin: of course it does when you delete its connfig |
| 13:37.38 | Lagbolt | Juventino, new kern should be added to grub menu |
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| 13:37.53 | anoHito | hmm |
| 13:37.58 | Juventino | Lagbolt so i don't need to change a thing? |
| 13:38.06 | Jedi_Tux | hello |
| 13:38.10 | anoHito | wols_, before this,i ran aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:38.14 | Lagbolt | it should take care of it. |
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| 13:38.32 | dustybin | i can send a email to myself no problem, when i send a email from a remote location, it always gets rejected |
| 13:38.40 | Lagbolt | any modules you compiled that were not part of the stock kernel will need to be rebuilt |
| 13:39.02 | dustybin | its like postfix doesnt know how to check the incoming email with the users on my box |
| 13:39.49 | dustybin | so instead, postfix thinks that email is for somewhere else, so it trys and forward it to another SMTP server |
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| 13:40.13 | Juventino | Lagbolt oh, well i only built the wifi module, so i only have to build the driver again? and the settings will remain the same? |
| 13:40.17 | mitziyahu | dustybin check out the PAM module |
| 13:40.31 | Lagbolt | yeah just rebuild it against new kern |
| 13:40.45 | Juventino | Lagbolt cool, that SHOULD be easy.. lol |
| 13:40.46 | Lagbolt | did you build it with module assist? |
| 13:41.11 | dustybin | my /etc/default/saslauthd config says this: MECHANISMS="shadow pam" |
| 13:41.13 | Juventino | Lagbolt no, just installed it, then modified ti with iwconfig |
| 13:41.29 | Lagbolt | just do it again |
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| 13:41.39 | anoHito | wols_, i have fixed it myself :) |
| 13:41.40 | Juventino | also the configs? |
| 13:41.47 | Bushmills | dustybin: check mydestination in postfix conf |
| 13:41.52 | Lagbolt | no |
| 13:41.55 | Lagbolt | configs should be ok |
| 13:41.57 | dustybin | my /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf file says this pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 13:41.57 | dustybin | mech_list: plain login |
| 13:42.07 | Juventino | Lagbolt so mainly only the module? |
| 13:42.10 | anoHito | wols_, but may i ask the last question please ? |
| 13:42.13 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 13:42.13 | Coke | Heya. Can someone recommend me a lightweight music player for X. Tried minirok, it bugged out and amarok is just to big. Something like XMMS perhaps? |
| 13:42.28 | Juventino | ok thnx a million Lagbolt :) (again) |
| 13:42.37 | orveldv | Coke: audacious? |
| 13:42.40 | Lagbolt | Coke, xfmedia |
| 13:42.41 | dustybin | mydestination = $mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost |
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| 13:42.58 | trifler | This might be more of a apache question. But I would like to generate some statistics of trafic to my httpd. What to look for/after? |
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| 13:43.36 | anoHito | Can anyone tell me what does this actually mean when starting proftp service --> Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'nagoya.ddn.ac.jp' error: Name or service not known,in the meantime, proftp works okay. |
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| 13:43.53 | Bushmills | coke, what deskop environment? |
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| 13:43.56 | anoHito | i didn't have this problem ,this message appears right after i upgrade proftpd a while ago. |
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| 13:44.33 | wols_ | anoHito: the domain there does not exist |
| 13:44.39 | Joelito | Does anyone know the package to use wxwidgets in perl? |
| 13:44.43 | wols_ | anoHito: your DNS server can't resolve it |
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| 13:45.02 | Joelito | seems that wxperl is only available in external links. |
| 13:45.03 | wols_ | Joelito: use search, if it'S there it's obvious. simply search for "wx" |
| 13:45.17 | mutante | anoHito: IPv6 tunnel down? |
| 13:45.21 | anoHito | wols_, excuse me,you mean the DNS services at the server itself ? |
| 13:45.23 | Joelito | wols_:Tryied |
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| 13:45.49 | wols_ | anoHito: yes |
| 13:45.52 | anoHito | mutante, i do not understand |
| 13:45.57 | mandarine | hey users, what's wrong with the debian sid package lftp? i can't install any packages via aptitude now anymore :( |
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| 13:46.22 | mutante | trifler: webalizer or awstats |
| 13:46.22 | wols_ | mandarine: it's sid. you've been warned |
| 13:46.30 | anoHito | wols_, i see, actually i do not set up DNS on my server yet, so this will not affect the uses of proftpd right, i am seeing it works well now. |
| 13:46.34 | trifler | mutante: which one would you prefer? :) |
| 13:46.47 | mandarine | wols: any way to fix it or do i only have to wait? |
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| 13:46.52 | infernixx | awstats |
| 13:46.57 | mutante | anoHito: i noticed in the error above it says "IPv6 getaddrinfo 'nagoya.ddn.ac.jp' error", notice the "IPv6" part. usually to have IPv6 you need a Tunnel provider , at least over here in Europe, and if that tunnel goes down... |
| 13:46.59 | wols_ | mandarine: depends on the error |
| 13:47.06 | mutante | trifler: what infernixx says |
| 13:47.21 | wols_ | anoHito: if you even have IPv6 capability |
| 13:47.24 | trifler | mutante: Then I'll head that way, Ty |
| 13:47.38 | anoHito | mutante, IPV6 is not the service i bought in the data-center. |
| 13:47.50 | anoHito | i only bought their ipv4 services. |
| 13:47.55 | mutante | trifler: the 3rd one is http://www.analog.cx/ |
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| 13:48.07 | wols_ | anoHito: then remove ipv6 stuff in your debian and your proftpd if it's there |
| 13:48.07 | ledil | hello |
| 13:48.07 | Juventino | Lagbolt, do i also need the linux-headers? and the ipw2945-modules-2.6.24-6-686? |
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| 13:48.15 | ledil | what is the difference between cmemcached and memcached ? |
| 13:48.23 | Phase | What does it mean when I get "The following packages have been kept back: <list of them>" -- Why is apt hold them back? |
| 13:48.27 | ledil | and what should I use with django ? |
| 13:48.28 | wols_ | ledil: in what context? |
| 13:48.30 | Lagbolt | Juventino, i dont know, did you need them before? if so then yes |
| 13:48.32 | wols_ | !tell Phase about kept back |
| 13:48.34 | anoHito | wols_, i do not know how :( |
| 13:48.46 | Phase | Didn't get anything wols_ |
| 13:49.03 | ledil | wols_, no context, just a question. I want to use memcached, but I heard also something about cmemcached. |
| 13:49.07 | Juventino | Lagbolt, well i'll see how it goes. |
| 13:49.12 | Juventino | thnx |
| 13:49.21 | wols_ | ledil: C- usually means with python it'S written in C, while something without is written in python |
| 13:49.23 | mandarine | wols: "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lftp_3.7.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack): there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up" |
| 13:49.24 | trifler | mutante: Ty |
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| 13:49.50 | wols_ | mandarine: uninstall this lftp |
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| 13:50.06 | ledil | wols_: what benefits do I have when I will use cmemcached instead of memcached ? is it a little bit faster or is it a real big difference ? |
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| 13:50.24 | mandarine | wols: that's the problem, i can't |
| 13:50.44 | wols_ | mandarine: you should. dpkg can |
| 13:52.15 | dustybin | are there any differences between the way postfix + sasl on etch and lenny do things? |
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| 13:53.03 | Today | Hello |
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| 13:53.23 | Today | I cannot write to disk.. reboot command does not work. How can I force a reboot ? |
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| 13:54.18 | drac | Today: mount -o remount,rw / ; reboot |
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| 13:54.31 | drac | Today: or turning the power off :-p |
| 13:55.14 | mandarine | wols: "dpkg: error processing lftp (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1" :/ |
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| 13:55.42 | Juventino | uh oh.. |
| 13:55.46 | netcrash | drac: telinit 6 would work ? |
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| 13:55.58 | elite | hi all |
| 13:55.59 | Juventino | keyboard and mouse aren't responding on the new kernel... |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | #kernel |
| 13:56.16 | drac | netcrash: i'm taking your word for it.. |
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| 13:56.27 | netcrash | drac: not sure if it would work |
| 13:56.30 | anoHito | hi abrotman ,long time no see, how have you been ? |
| 13:56.35 | netcrash | drac: it was a question |
| 13:56.42 | Cripps | I have a 1Gig+ text file that I'd like to prepend some lines to ... I know that sed 1q will print the first line in the file (I gleaned that from RTFM), but I'm still not quite sure as to how I would prepend a line to the file. Could somebody please help me find a clue? |
| 13:56.47 | drac | netcrash: asking from wrong person then :-) |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | broken |
| 13:57.16 | elite | i am going to push the open source envolope a bit here, Does anyone know if there is a program that will monitor a hondas obd 2 computer for debian. If you guys got this you really f in rock |
| 13:57.18 | tvynr | Cripps: I'd just do this in bash: ( echo "My line"; cat "oldfile.txt" ) > "newfile.txt" |
| 13:57.45 | Cripps | tvynr, with the size of the file, that gets to be a little bit of a problem :/ |
| 13:58.05 | abrotman | elite: a who? |
| 13:58.17 | tvynr | Cripps: Well, there's no real way to prepend a line to a file sanely. The underlying filesystem isn't really able to just make everyone scoot over. |
| 13:58.38 | abrotman | tvynr: yes you can |
| 13:58.41 | anoHito | abrotman, broken ? |
| 13:58.43 | tvynr | abrotman: ? |
| 13:58.48 | dustybin | im going to lay on my bed and have a think |
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| 13:59.14 | Cripps | abrotman, how might I convince the filesystem to do what I want it to do? |
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| 13:59.25 | abrotman | tvynr: he should ask #bash .. but i'm fairly certain there's a way |
| 13:59.26 | elite | hmm a obd2, basically the ecu electronic computer unit is there a program that is open source for it. Basically it will adjust the intake of oxygen to air measure out alot of stuff. its for tuning |
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| 13:59.36 | marmoute | http://lintian.debian.org/manual/index.html give me a 403 error |
| 13:59.38 | abrotman | elite: checked freshmeat ? |
| 13:59.50 | elite | okay dokay :P |
| 13:59.59 | Cripps | abrotman, okay, I'll try that, else I'll go for coffee whilst trying tvynr 's suggestion. |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | elite: it might be in debian ... but i'd search there to start |
| 14:00.08 | legis | there is no nvidia propietary driver in lenny? |
| 14:00.14 | abrotman | no |
| 14:00.18 | elite | sure will thanks abrotman |
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| 14:00.20 | Bushmills | Cripps: must those new lines actually be written to that files, or would a "logical" prepend do, like, resulting in a "file name" of $(my_new_file) ? |
| 14:00.23 | tvynr | Cripps: I'm gonna Google this; I didn't think ext3 and the like could prepend nicely. :) |
| 14:00.24 | abrotman | tvynr: your idea is the "easiest" |
| 14:00.44 | abrotman | tvynr: but i'm pretty sure there's a way |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | !bashfaq |
| 14:00.48 | dpkg | i heard bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 14:00.51 | legis | abrotman: you should the manual way work ok then? |
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| 14:01.00 | lus | hello, my first time on debian!! |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | legis: probably not ... |
| 14:01.39 | Cripps | Bushmills, no, having a new file is not the way I want to go ... I've only got 12Gig of disk space to play with at the moment (one of the files I have is a 24Gig file!) |
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| 14:01.58 | legis | abrotman: why? |
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| 14:02.13 | orveldv | Cripps: or try this example: http://rafb.net/p/32M2YE54.html |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | legis: same reason it doesn't work in stable |
| 14:02.20 | tvynr | abrotman, Cripps: http://bashcurescancer.com/new-command-prepend.html |
| 14:02.27 | orveldv | Cripps: but seriously, ask in #bash |
| 14:02.38 | abrotman | prepend ? |
| 14:02.57 | Enigma | does anybody know a command line utlity program to recode mp3-files to a lower bitrate? |
| 14:02.57 | abrotman | tvynr: oh .. not a builtin |
| 14:03.05 | tvynr | abrotman, Cripps: Looks like a custom utility called sponge will do the job. http://bashcurescancer.com/prepend-to-a-file-with-sponge-from-moreutils.html |
| 14:03.25 | tvynr | abrotman, Cripps: But yeah, it seems to just do what we're talking about here in a more efficient way. :( |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | or ask #bash :) |
| 14:03.58 | Cripps | tvynr, yeah ... |
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| 14:04.16 | Cripps | abrotman, Imma use the suggestions given to test, and *then* I'll ask in #bash if I need to |
| 14:04.34 | Cripps | orveldv, that's kind of what I was looking for. I'll test it and tell you how it worked ;) |
| 14:04.48 | orveldv | Cripps: great then |
| 14:04.57 | Lagbolt | Enigma, lots of ways to do that, just google reencode mp3 |
| 14:05.08 | halflife | hello folks, i installed ati's proprietary driver and it is killing me, when gnome's screensaver kicks in. it freezes up the display and reboot is the only option since restart of X doesn't help. has anyone faced this problem. extreme case how do uninstall the proprietary driver |
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| 14:06.54 | Today | fyi |
| 14:07.07 | Today | I found a hard reboot method that works if you cannot reboot |
| 14:07.13 | Today | echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq |
| 14:07.14 | Today | echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 14:07.14 | Cripps | orveldv, ahh ... looks like sed takes a pass through the whole file, but it does do it in place (with the -i), so I don't have to worry about running out of room. Thanks! |
| 14:07.22 | Today | worked for me |
| 14:08.03 | Lagbolt | Today, why couldnt you reboot? |
| 14:08.12 | stew | Cripps: you should add a ';q' to have sed quit after the first line |
| 14:08.15 | Today | it would just say bus error |
| 14:08.22 | Cripps | stephbul, thanks. |
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| 14:09.37 | Cripps | er, thanks stew :P |
| 14:09.40 | lus | can I use yum on debian? |
| 14:09.50 | halflife | lus: why would you want to do that |
| 14:10.08 | lus | the software I'm installing uses yum |
| 14:10.22 | wols_ | lus: no |
| 14:10.37 | halflife | lus: use alien to convert rpms to deb packages and then install it. yum doesn't work on debian |
| 14:10.41 | wols_ | lus: does the software only come in rpm? |
| 14:10.44 | stew | lus: what is the software? in what way does it use yum? |
| 14:11.03 | lus | stew: freeside |
| 14:11.09 | Today | you can install an rpm on debian |
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| 14:11.33 | fde | Today: via alien is the only suggested way... which was already brought up. |
| 14:11.42 | Today | ok |
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| 14:12.05 | fde | yum is just client for rpm-md ... could probably use smart to fetch the package. |
| 14:12.18 | fde | then use alien once you have the rpm |
| 14:12.38 | halflife | lus: http://freeside.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Freeside:1.7:Documentation:InstallingUsingAPT give that a shot |
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| 14:13.20 | ChArLeS_^ | gys |
| 14:13.21 | ChArLeS_^ | guys |
| 14:13.25 | ChArLeS_^ | When I tried to install a package the first time (cacti) it asked me WEBSERVER TYPE, i thought i was running apache1.2 but it's apache2 but i figured too late, now I want to go back to change it but the system doesn't ask me anymore, even after I purged the package |
| 14:13.33 | kombi | anyone know a tool to convert tcp into udp? |
| 14:13.47 | ChArLeS_^ | kombi: NC |
| 14:14.04 | tvynr | ChArLeS_^: dpkg-reconfigure <package name> |
| 14:14.05 | halflife | ChArLeS_^: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:14.27 | kombi | ChArLes_^: the swiss army knife! kewl! |
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| 14:14.43 | DexterF | hi |
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| 14:15.09 | stew | kombi: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:15.11 | DexterF | where can I get a adobe libflash version <= 9.0.100 ? aka one that works in qt browsers |
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| 14:15.29 | sdx | how can i check the version of a pkg? |
| 14:15.34 | sdx | before i install it |
| 14:15.36 | kombi | stew: we run a web radio and someone needs the stream as udp |
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| 14:15.47 | mathx | sdx: apt-cache search $string |
| 14:15.49 | halflife | sdx: apt-cache show package name |
| 14:15.56 | DexterF | sdx: rmadison, it's in.. some dev package... |
| 14:16.03 | elite | holy crap garmon man this software will save me 1,000 us dollars |
| 14:16.10 | elite | thanks to debian woot |
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| 14:16.18 | mathx | ok i have a non newb question |
| 14:16.19 | fde | DexterF: I find it's rather effective adblocking... you can't just have IceWeasel around for sites that suck? |
| 14:16.22 | mathx | how do I fix this: |
| 14:16.22 | mathx | dpkg-deb: file `openssh-blacklist_0.1.1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2 , giving up |
| 14:16.23 | elite | thank you abrotman |
| 14:16.26 | mathx | dpkg: error processing openssh-blacklist_0.1.1_all.deb (--install): |
| 14:16.26 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 14:16.46 | mathx | yes i've downloaded the deb (and other versions) direct and dpkg -i' |
| 14:16.48 | mathx | d them they all fail |
| 14:16.49 | DexterF | fde: because I hate that retarded mozilla sh!t |
| 14:16.57 | stew | kombi: you'll have to figure out how to make your streaming software send a udp stream, you can't just convert your tcp stream to a udp stream |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | so you use retarded Qt shit ? |
| 14:17.10 | themill | mathx: download the version for etch not for lenny/sid |
| 14:17.10 | fde | DexterF: Flash is worse... it is the most exploited software on the internet. |
| 14:17.14 | DexterF | abrotman: yup |
| 14:17.20 | abrotman | fde: IIS ? :) |
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| 14:17.35 | mathx | themill: i have 3 versions of the package now i think 0.1.0 0.1.1 0.2 they all break |
| 14:17.39 | mathx | but ill try that |
| 14:17.40 | fde | abrotman: Nope... flash. |
| 14:17.42 | wols_ | abrotman: what has the gui toolkit to do with browsertype |
| 14:17.43 | sdx | mathx, it doesn't say the version |
| 14:17.43 | kombi | stew: so I understood, unfortunately there is absolutely no web radio server that streams udp |
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| 14:17.54 | abrotman | wols_: NFC ... ask DexterF .. i don't get it either |
| 14:18.08 | kombi | stew: not even with netcat? |
| 14:18.26 | fde | wols_: konq's nsplugins functionality is broken... has been for a while. |
| 14:18.26 | dustybin | in bind i have a record what says this |
| 14:18.31 | dustybin | server IN A 192.168.0.10 |
| 14:18.36 | dustybin | however when i do |
| 14:18.39 | DexterF | wols_: the linkheads at Adobe decided to ditch gtk support in the flashplugin |
| 14:18.43 | themill | mathx: is there a reason you're not just installing it using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 14:18.49 | DexterF | wols_: uh, ditch *non*-gtk support |
| 14:18.57 | mathx | themill: apt of course calls dpkg and dpkg fails on 'non data member' |
| 14:19.09 | mathx | apt-get -f install just goes and runs the same dpkg cmds with less debug :) |
| 14:19.09 | sdx | halflife, it doesn't state the version |
| 14:19.10 | dustybin | ping server.mybox.com it responds with a old local IP address 192.168.0.5, why isnt it using 192.168.0.10 ? |
| 14:19.17 | sdx | i'm searching for the imagemagick version |
| 14:19.19 | mathx | what version of openssh-blacklist is etch? |
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| 14:19.40 | halflife | sdx: what is the package you are searching for ? |
| 14:19.43 | abrotman | !pdo |
| 14:19.43 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 14:19.48 | sdx | halflife, imagemagick |
| 14:19.50 | mathx | sdx: apt-cache --help |
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| 14:20.40 | halflife | sdx: apt-cache show|search imagemagick doesn't work for you ? |
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| 14:21.26 | abrotman | apt-cache policy imagemagick |
| 14:21.28 | sdx | halflife, no |
| 14:21.31 | stew | kombi: i don't think so, but i'm not positive |
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| 14:21.48 | themill | mathx: it sounds like you're trying to install the sid version into etch. The sid version is using a different data format for the .deb. You'll need to pastebin your sources.list, apt-cache policy openssh-blacklist and dpkg -l libc6 for us to work out what's going on. |
| 14:21.49 | fde | abrotman: fwiw, IIS is actually on only a small amount of systems... flash is on almost every platform, and is EXTREMELY broken from a security standpoint... you can use nspluginwrapper and selinux to lock it down so it can't do bad things, but in its natural state, it's an exploit waiting to happen. |
| 14:22.02 | mathx | themill: ah shit, sounds like my sid version isnt up to date. |
| 14:22.08 | mathx | guess i should be updating stuff more often. |
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| 14:22.14 | abrotman | fde: IIS is hardly on a 'small amount' of systems |
| 14:22.16 | Spirit_ | cups hates me. when i print something some hp:// process eats cpu and seems to be stuck (i let it run for about 10 minutes with no change), sometimes cupsd joins in. once i cancel the print job and queue a new one, the first job is partly printed (cut off somewhere). i did setup that ECP/ESS(?) parport stuff in my bios, didn't help. here is a "hp-check -r": http://pastebin.com/d18432e36 . i guess the SANE errors are irrelevant (i don't have a s |
| 14:22.17 | Spirit_ | canner) but what is that "SIP"? |
| 14:22.17 | mathx | themill: not sure what the canonical timing is for that, every day? |
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| 14:22.24 | stew | themill: different data format? |
| 14:22.31 | Juventino | abrotman, no one is even there at #kernel :s |
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| 14:22.46 | abrotman | Juventino: then use a Debian packaged kernel |
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| 14:22.55 | anoHito | thanks for helps,guys,have a good night. |
| 14:23.02 | ChArLeS_^ | kombi halflife got it |
| 14:23.03 | themill | stew: doesn't dpkg in sid support data.tar.bz2 in the .deb but etch only supports gz? Or do I need either coffee or sleep...? |
| 14:23.08 | anoHito | debian rules :D |
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| 14:23.18 | mathx | themill: sounds likely. |
| 14:23.20 | ChArLeS_^ | kombi halflife I was purging and vomiting the packages out again, thanks |
| 14:23.22 | wols_ | Juventino: how did you config your kernel? and why a self compiled one? |
| 14:23.32 | stew | themill: yes, but v 2.0 and 3.0 debs shouldn't be in the wild yet. at least, dak doesn't handle them yet |
| 14:23.39 | stew | themill: (so you wouldn't be getting them from debian yet) |
| 14:23.52 | Juventino | abrotman, well i upgraded the kernel's image to to etchnhalf |
| 14:23.56 | kombi | Charles: Is that a debian package..;)? |
| 14:24.16 | mathx | themill: problem is same issue with openssh-blacklist_0.1.0 which is the oldest in here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssh-blacklist/H |
| 14:24.18 | themill | stew: ahh.... so perhaps these are non-debian .debs that mathx is playing with (since they have a data.tar.bz2 that dpkg-deb is bitching about) |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | Juventino: does the original work? |
| 14:24.29 | Juventino | abrotman yes |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | so why chantge? |
| 14:25.00 | Juventino | abrotman cause i wanted to install the intel video driver for the laptop |
| 14:25.11 | greyfrog | trying to dist-upgrade a machine to stable from woody :P anyone getting 302 errors on security.debian.org? |
| 14:25.28 | sdx | dhclient eth0 won't work |
| 14:25.32 | sdx | what can i do? |
| 14:25.33 | mathx | greyfrog: apt-get update first |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | uh |
| 14:25.45 | mathx | sdx: mii-tool, ethtool eth0 first |
| 14:25.55 | abrotman | greyfrog: you have to go through sarge first |
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| 14:25.57 | mathx | sdx: then dhclient, then chekc your dhcp server, try tcpdump -n -i eth0 if you have carrier |
| 14:26.20 | mathx | abrotman: lol didnt even notice he said woody |
| 14:26.34 | greyfrog | abrotman, specify sarge in sources.list? instead of stable? |
| 14:26.42 | mathx | themill: how do i get a package out of apt's incoming cache database to NOT bother installing it? |
| 14:26.52 | abrotman | greyfrog: paste tour sources in a pastebin |
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| 14:26.56 | sdx | mathx, mii-tool says SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed operation not supported |
| 14:26.58 | sdx | ..:/ |
| 14:27.02 | mathx | sdx: use ethtool eth0 |
| 14:27.20 | mathx | sdx: tho the problem is ethtool isnt stnadard install, so you need internets before you can download it! chickenegg! |
| 14:27.24 | greyfrog | k, got to go now :( will be back... thanks for the tip though, might be able to figure it out from there :) |
| 14:27.39 | greyfrog | ty abrotman and mathx |
| 14:27.43 | sdx | mathx, i don't have ethtool |
| 14:27.44 | mathx | anyone? how to get a package out of apt's incoming cache so it doesnt keep trying to install it and telling me just -f install |
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| 14:27.58 | mathx | sdx: assign an IP manually to the interface you know is valid and ping the gateway |
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| 14:28.05 | sdx | mathx, it used to take ips normally |
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| 14:28.18 | mathx | sdx: also look for a light on the switchport you're in. need to figure out if hardware network is working first |
| 14:28.25 | sdx | mathx, dhclient says 255.255.255.255 wtf. |
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| 14:28.38 | abrotman | greybah |
| 14:28.39 | mathx | thats cuz its stuck mid protocol. it isnt getting a proper ip yet. |
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| 14:29.32 | mathx | aha here we go |
| 14:29.32 | Enverex | Apparently the SSL keys for my IMAP server have expired on my server, how would I go about updating them? |
| 14:29.43 | mathx | apt-get removes openssh* ssh* from a remote server, ISNT THAT FUN |
| 14:29.47 | themill | stew: this one contains a data.tar.bz2: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssh-blacklist/openssh-blacklist_0.1.1_all.deb |
| 14:30.03 | mathx | themill: so does 0.1.0 fwict, im getting the same error. |
| 14:30.13 | mathx | my dpkg is hyper old somehow, i didnt dist-upgrade my sid in years :( |
| 14:30.14 | mathx | WOOPS |
| 14:30.16 | sdx | mathx, i assigned the ip manually but i can't ping google |
| 14:30.20 | mathx | 10:24 <chris> lol |
| 14:30.20 | mathx | 10:24 <chris> 1.10.18 ? |
| 14:30.22 | mathx | 10:24 <chris> that is from SARGE |
| 14:30.31 | themill | mathx: yeah, that'd do it to you.... |
| 14:30.34 | mathx | sdx: try pinging your GATEWAY first, about 50 things have to work for google to ping |
| 14:30.41 | Suprano | how can i specify the port of the dns server in resolv.conf? |
| 14:31.00 | mathx | man 5 resolv.conf? |
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| 14:31.35 | themill | stew: is it the tar.bz2 *source* format (not .deb format) that's (barely|un)-supported at present? |
| 14:32.09 | Suprano | mathx, nothing about the port there |
| 14:32.13 | dondelelcaro | themill: it's semi-supported. |
| 14:32.16 | petemc | Suprano: what name server uses an alternate port? |
| 14:32.29 | Suprano | the server runnign in my vm.. |
| 14:32.32 | mathx | Suprano: not sure you can use an alt port... hmm. |
| 14:32.40 | petemc | Suprano: why is that? |
| 14:32.41 | mathx | Suprano: give it a new ip instad |
| 14:32.46 | mathx | Suprano: here's the issue |
| 14:32.58 | themill | dondelelcaro: which, the bz2 source format or the data.tar.bz2 format for .debs? |
| 14:33.03 | Suprano | well vbox allows me only ports >1024 |
| 14:33.06 | Suprano | to forward |
| 14:33.10 | Suprano | atl east if using NAT |
| 14:33.12 | mathx | machines on the internet are using your dns server, or at least yours are, so they need to know what port its at. you cant tell the whole internet that you're on port 5353 instead of 53 |
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| 14:33.29 | Suprano | no no, only i will use it ;) |
| 14:33.33 | mathx | and if you need it internally, then you can just point it at an outside machine for dns |
| 14:33.45 | mathx | Suprano: you trying to do internal/external dns? |
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| 14:33.55 | mathx | bind the external DNS server to the outside ip, and the int to internal ip |
| 14:33.55 | sdx | mathx, nope it says host unreachable |
| 14:34.03 | mathx | sdx: sounds like no carrier on the eth0 |
| 14:34.11 | sdx | mathx, which means? |
| 14:34.14 | mathx | sdx: check the wire and the port on the switch orw ahtever, it needs to be lit |
| 14:34.21 | mathx | sdx: means there's no connectivity on the physical ethernet wire |
| 14:34.27 | sdx | mathx, route says i don't have the correct gateway |
| 14:34.39 | mathx | yeah ping your gateway as I said :) |
| 14:35.02 | mathx | like if you know your dhcp server is 192.168.0.1 then ping it direct after assigning 192.168.0.250 or something (and pray no one else is using that), assuming you're on a /24 |
| 14:35.12 | mathx | ie do manual assign of ip |
| 14:35.29 | mathx | better would be grab another machine and put it on there make sure dhcp and the ethercable is working properly first |
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| 14:37.27 | sdx | mathx, i did that, it says host unreachable |
| 14:37.32 | sdx | and i checked the phys cable |
| 14:37.34 | mathx | how? |
| 14:38.04 | sdx | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.82 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 14:38.20 | mathx | yeah but what is your dhcp server's ip? do you know it? |
| 14:38.26 | sdx | mathx, yes |
| 14:38.26 | stew | themill: pardon me, i was getting all confused between source and binary formats |
| 14:38.29 | mathx | i have NO IDEA why ethtool isnt standard in debian |
| 14:38.32 | XTZGZoReX | Can I safely resize my Fat32 windows partition into two with the debian setup disk? |
| 14:38.42 | sdx | mathx, it's .254 |
| 14:38.43 | mathx | freebsd's ifconfig showed carrier status on the wire in freebsd 2.x in freakin 95 or 94 |
| 14:38.56 | mathx | why cant we catch up? |
| 14:39.22 | mathx | stew: themill: i was using binary only here, if that clarifies things |
| 14:39.30 | sdx | mathx, what exactly is carrier status? |
| 14:39.42 | mathx | sdx: ethernet is a radio |
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| 14:39.47 | mathx | the cable is the antenna |
| 14:39.54 | mathx | just like radio, you modulate a carrier on the wire |
| 14:40.00 | mathx | (roughly speaking, EMR engineers can correct me) |
| 14:40.02 | themill | stew: heh... I think we were both suitably confused. Must mean it's coffee time. In any case, it the data.tar.bz2 is a newer thing hence an ancient dpkg complains about it. |
| 14:40.12 | mathx | if there's no 'carrier' seen on the wire, then it means the other end isnt connected |
| 14:40.13 | Enverex | Apparently the SSL keys for my IMAP server have expired on my server, how would I go about updating them? |
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| 14:40.29 | mathx | Enverex: depends on a billion things - type of imap server? |
| 14:40.38 | stew | themill: so probably someone installing onto a sarge/etch mix? |
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| 14:40.47 | mathx | stew: me! sarge SID mix! |
| 14:40.56 | themill | stew: sarge +ancient sid |
| 14:41.04 | stew | mathx: what version of dpkg ? |
| 14:41.05 | mathx | stew: 10:21 <math> dpkg: Conflicts: dpkg-dev (< 1.14.16) but 1.10.18 is to be |
| 14:41.10 | Enverex | mathx, Courier IMAP (using IMAP) |
| 14:41.11 | mathx | = loltimes |
| 14:41.35 | mathx | Enverex: rtfm dude, couldnt tell you. usually has to do with openssl commands to generate new ssl keys. |
| 14:41.36 | stew | yeah 1.10.18 is sarge from before it was released |
| 14:41.42 | mathx | Enverex: btw, get a new openSSL if you havent heard. :/ |
| 14:42.03 | Enverex | mathx, That's the weird thing, I've deleted the old keys, generated new ones, restarted the server but somehow it's still using the old ones |
| 14:42.20 | mathx | Enverex: generate new keys, get them signed as needed by yourself or some entity that steals money in the SSL racket, and put them into the config spot where your server expects them |
| 14:42.33 | Enverex | Done that :/ |
| 14:42.35 | mathx | did you really restart the server? did you really put them into the right spot? |
| 14:42.44 | mathx | Enverex: lsof | grep (processname) to see what files its using |
| 14:42.57 | mathx | (or man lsof and see what option is for tracking a single process, im just lazy) |
| 14:43.01 | Enverex | mathx, I restarted the whole machine in the end to make sure, lol. |
| 14:43.13 | mathx | sounds like restarting the machine doesnt erase the filesystem (thank god!) |
| 14:43.18 | XTZGZoReX | Can I safely resize my Fat32 windows partition into two with the debian setup disk? |
| 14:43.24 | sdx | mathx: and the linux utility can't show this? |
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| 14:43.36 | Enverex | mathx, eh? I said I deleted the keys it used, regenned one ones then restarted the server |
| 14:43.38 | stew | mathx: you need to upgrade to sarge, then you need to upgrade to etch |
| 14:43.42 | mathx | so you must have it in the wrong spot. some servers, like postfix, cache certain things in their spool dirs for runtime usage, for eg, and need manual deletion. i dont know courier myself, i use dovecot, it might do that. |
| 14:43.54 | Enverex | Ah |
| 14:44.15 | mathx | stew: no i dont! :) I need to apt-get remove all packages that are related to the openssh-blacklist with the new format, which means openssh* ssh*, then apt-get update && apt-get install dpkg && apt-get install openssh* ssh* :) |
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| 14:44.19 | mathx | did it and it worked :) |
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| 14:44.36 | mathx | GRANTED i still have lots of old sarge-era-sid cruft around, but at least its not core utils |
| 14:44.43 | mathx | (i should prolly upgrade mkinitrd and the like too eh? :) |
| 14:44.47 | stew | mathx: still, you should be upgrading to the current version of debian before you proceed. and the correct way to do that is to first upgrade to sarge, then to etch |
| 14:45.09 | mathx | well not on a remote box, ill wiat til im standing in front of it |
| 14:45.13 | Enverex | mathx, lol, only file that could be something is this, which was a little odd - Ragnarok courier-imap # file couriersslcache - couriersslcache: , 32 kHz, Stereo |
| 14:45.20 | sdx | mathx, what am i doing wrong? |
| 14:45.21 | fde | mathx: You should probably upgrade everything to etch while you're at it... seems like a good time, and sarge is EOL afaik? |
| 14:45.33 | mathx | sdx: not establishing there's link on your cable |
| 14:45.37 | mathx | sdx: thats step 1.0 |
| 14:45.38 | stew | mathx: if its remote and therefor exposed over the internet, all the more reason to update it since it is out of date security wise |
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| 14:45.46 | mathx | fde: im not in sarge, im in sid |
| 14:45.49 | sdx | mathx, there is link |
| 14:45.52 | mathx | an old sid that hasnt been dist-up'd in ages |
| 14:46.00 | mathx | sdx: ok, then your driver might be busted |
| 14:46.01 | sdx | mathx, next/ |
| 14:46.09 | sdx | mathx, but it worked some days ago |
| 14:46.13 | mathx | sdx: if its not sending packets down the wire |
| 14:46.19 | mathx | get on the other end of the wire and tcpdump it |
| 14:46.20 | fde | mathx: From sarge time-frame you said? idk... I'm not really following too well, seems like a big-ol-mess |
| 14:46.28 | mathx | fde: kinda eh lol |
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| 14:46.43 | sdx | mathx, i don't have tcpdump either |
| 14:46.44 | mathx | yeah i dont know what the proper procedure for using sid is :) |
| 14:46.48 | stew | fde: no, from woody time |
| 14:46.48 | mathx | dist-upgrade daily? |
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| 14:47.06 | stew | mathx: you shouldnt' be running sid at all |
| 14:47.12 | mathx | i run sid in alot of places |
| 14:47.15 | mathx | it's debian's fault! |
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| 14:47.23 | fde | mathx: that would be a horrible idea. |
| 14:47.24 | mathx | as a friend said "Debian releases coincident with presidential elections" |
| 14:47.36 | stew | mathx: yeah, perhaps its debian's fault for not making it clear that you shouldnt' be running sid |
| 14:47.41 | mathx | ive been running sid for years, no problems til they went and changed binary formats :) |
| 14:47.51 | mathx | stew: heh, im ok. ivbe been doing pretty well with debian since 98 |
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| 14:48.08 | mathx | xmms forced me into it from when slackware had no dependencies. |
| 14:48.16 | mathx | compiling 20 libraries with microversion alignment was hell |
| 14:48.18 | mathx | so i went to debian |
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| 14:48.53 | Enverex | mathx, I'm not seeing anything in lsof that could be of importance other than that cache file which I deleted (and it's still doing it) |
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| 14:48.56 | mathx | fde: i actually need new packages... lenny is a good alternate, but i find alot of stuff missing |
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| 14:49.10 | mathx | Enverex: yeah it might have cached it just in ram |
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| 14:49.40 | mathx | Enverex: strace it when you run it, see what its opening for read |
| 14:49.46 | fde | mathx: aptitude safe-upgrade with apt-listbugs can be done regularly... but dist-upgrading daily is a good way to ensure maximum downtime fixing crap. |
| 14:49.51 | mathx | strace -o /tmp/courier.strace -f /etc/init.d/courier start |
| 14:49.54 | mathx | oh |
| 14:49.58 | mathx | strace -e trace=open -o /tmp/courier.strace -f /etc/init.d/courier start |
| 14:50.07 | mathx | then grep thru the output in /tmp/cou* |
| 14:50.18 | mathx | fde: sounds like hehe |
| 14:50.27 | mathx | what's safe-upgrade and listbugs? |
| 14:50.27 | stew | mathx: yeah, upgrading daily is a little bit crazy, but not as crazy as only upgrading once every 4-5 years |
| 14:50.52 | sdx | fde, what's the difference betweeen safe-upgrade and upgrade |
| 14:50.54 | sdx | ? |
| 14:50.59 | stew | sdx: nothing |
| 14:51.05 | fde | That's taking "if it aint broke don't fix it" to a whole new level.... |
| 14:51.19 | fde | sdx: upgrade is depricated in aptitude |
| 14:51.19 | mathx | hey it w'aint broke so i d'aint fix! |
| 14:51.30 | stew | except is is broke |
| 14:51.35 | aehgts | if it ain't broke, fix it till it is...? |
| 14:51.37 | mathx | i didnt know it was ;) |
| 14:51.40 | mathx | aehgts: lol |
| 14:51.56 | stew | mathx: see http://security.debian.org for lots of reasons it is broke |
| 14:52.41 | fde | stew: Gaping security holes doesn't necessarily equal broken... just not particularly optimum... |
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| 14:52.55 | fde | optimal even |
| 14:53.18 | Enverex | This is where the server doesn't come back up.. lol |
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| 14:53.39 | stew | people not caring about security makes the internet suck that much more |
| 14:53.52 | mathx | i care! |
| 14:54.03 | mathx | but only as much as it inteferes with me being able to live the rest of my life. |
| 14:54.51 | Lagbolt | What was that package called that you can use to trick dpkg into thinking a dependency is installed? |
| 14:54.52 | fde | mathx: Over the course of the last 4-5 years, you never once had 20 seconds to run a quick aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 14:54.53 | themill | sdx, fde: too many people are confusing dist-upgrade with etch->lenny and not realising that dist-upgrade is required for some security updates to stable. Hence dist-upgrade is renamed to full-upgrade and upgrade to safe-upgrade to better describe what really goes on. Hopefully. |
| 14:55.02 | themill | Lagbolt: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 14:55.34 | Juventino | guys, what's the modules file? |
| 14:55.35 | mathx | fde: while standing in a freezing colo in front of screaming machines? |
| 14:55.42 | fde | themill: I got that memo a while ago... although I wasn't aware that dist-upgrade changed too, thank you |
| 14:55.43 | sdx | themill, and dist-upgrade is> |
| 14:55.44 | sdx | ? |
| 14:55.44 | stew | Juventino: 'man modules' ? |
| 14:55.46 | mathx | after having been there only to fix important shit not my pissy little server? |
| 14:56.03 | mathx | and being exhausted and just want to go home, and fearing that not having done it in 2 months means itll turn into an 8 hour escapade of me standing in the colo longer? |
| 14:56.08 | themill | fde: I wasn't sure from the conversation who understood and who didn't ;) |
| 14:56.13 | themill | sdx: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
| 14:56.29 | mathx | fde: sounds like its safer to just bring the machine home entirely and throw it off my balcony! |
| 14:56.40 | Enverex | Yay, server isn't responding to pings now :/ |
| 14:56.40 | mathx | then at least ill KNOW exactly how much time itll take to fix! |
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| 14:56.48 | mathx | Enverex: you're doing (ssl) wrong |
| 14:56.50 | fde | mathx: Or SSH into it while you're making coffee and do it :S |
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| 14:57.05 | mathx | fde: assuming ssh isnt pulled out from under me when the thing reboots to the new kernel |
| 14:57.26 | mathx | i know ssh wont be pulled out, but i might need to restart apache or mysql or dovecot or bind before im back at it |
| 14:57.28 | Enverex | mathx, I told the machine to reboot but it's not come back up :/ |
| 14:57.45 | fde | mathx: aptitude will never make you restart the machine. |
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| 14:58.30 | mathx | fde: neither will apt. im joking. but eventually itll crash or power out and i want it coming back up |
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| 14:58.55 | mathx | so i need to basically be there when i do all this, not at home/office sipping some fabled delicious tasty coffee i hear tell of |
| 14:59.07 | fde | mathx: safe-upgrade won't upgrade things that change config options... |
| 14:59.22 | stew | fde: he doesn't have safe-upgrade, and that is false |
| 14:59.27 | mathx | so apt is deprecated? |
| 14:59.30 | stew | its running apache and dovecot? oh cripes |
| 14:59.43 | mathx | stew: oh are apache and dovecot also deprecated? |
| 14:59.50 | mathx | dont tell me, Cyrus and Tomcat are the new style |
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| 15:00.07 | stew | mathx: no, but they've both had multiple security problems in the last 4 years |
| 15:00.11 | mathx | dude. |
| 15:00.21 | mathx | everything has security problems. |
| 15:00.31 | mathx | in the 80s it was ftp. in the 90s it was sendmail. |
| 15:00.56 | stew | which is why it is important to keep internet servers up to date with security patches |
| 15:00.57 | DexterF | not to forget early ssh2 |
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| 15:01.43 | mathx | stew: only as important as the damage not keeping them up todate is |
| 15:01.51 | themill | mathx: complaining that other things have vulnerabilities too is no excuse for not upgrading the things that you have installed that you know *do* have vulnerabilities. |
| 15:01.56 | mathx | this is my personal server, i dont keep it very up to date, i dont pay myself well enough for it lol |
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| 15:02.10 | mathx | oh i fixed my ssl holes immediately |
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| 15:02.22 | mathx | i generally do read debian's securit list |
| 15:02.24 | stew | mathx: yeah, it sucks becuase the damage that is being done is not just being done to you, it is possibly being done to lots of people due to your neglect |
| 15:02.28 | themill | mathx: yay. How much spam have you been an open relay for, btw? |
| 15:02.29 | stew | mathx: you didn't have ssl holes |
| 15:02.36 | Enverex | Grr, wonder what's wrong with the server... |
| 15:02.41 | stew | how long did i spend on a ddos yesterday... |
| 15:02.44 | mathx | stew: i know i know :) |
| 15:02.57 | mathx | stew: ddos caused by a botnet, not a security hole in sendmail |
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| 15:03.12 | stew | mathx: yes, and when you don't patch a server, it can become part of a botnet |
| 15:03.19 | mathx | how long? about as long as it takes to trigger your uprstreams community string, right? |
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| 15:04.25 | stew | i dont' know what that means but no, it was much much longer than that |
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| 15:05.23 | xingu | "intelligent edge"; spot the design flaw. |
| 15:05.34 | o2T7 | Hi, which was the command for getting a file permissions mode in numeric format? |
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| 15:05.55 | stew | o2T7: stat is one |
| 15:06.13 | o2T7 | stew: Thanks, I always forget it :) |
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| 15:09.10 | Juventino | i have a problem with backports.org, apt-get update keeps on giving me an error, i guess it's a missing key |
| 15:09.26 | o2T7 | The mask isn't the same to the initial permissions of a new file, isn't it? |
| 15:09.30 | stew | Juventino: read the instructions page on backports.org |
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| 15:09.39 | Juventino | stew i did |
| 15:09.40 | joshteam | how can i remove all files from a directory that start with xyz ? |
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| 15:09.43 | Juventino | can't find that key.. |
| 15:09.47 | Juventino | but let me check it again |
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| 15:09.54 | stew | Juventino: read the part on the instructions page about the 'archive key' |
| 15:10.10 | o2T7 | joshteam: rm xyz* ? |
| 15:10.21 | joshteam | thanks o2T7 |
| 15:11.11 | mns | 02T7 ? |
| 15:11.24 | sdx | when i ping 192.168.1.254 (my gateway), 192.168.1.83 responds |
| 15:11.36 | sdx | why |
| 15:11.37 | sdx | ? |
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| 15:11.49 | sdx | .83 is the current manual ip that i set up |
| 15:12.21 | o2T7 | joshteam: `man bash | grep "Pattern Matching" -A 60` |
| 15:12.51 | xingu | stew: one day you'll realise that the internet is a just a multi-jurisdictional fruit stall and that attempting to regulate behaviour within it is a fool's errand; come join the dark side, work on non-internet backbones, it's your destiny |
| 15:12.53 | mns | oh never mind about the o2T7 .. I thought it was some secret code or something. just a username ! |
| 15:12.54 | joshteam | o2T7: didn't return anything. |
| 15:13.22 | o2T7 | mns: heh, ok, actually is part of a passphrase |
| 15:13.35 | mns | haha |
| 15:13.35 | sdx | and it responds with host unreachable. anyone? |
| 15:13.38 | aehgts | joshteam: if in doubt use ls <pattern> before using rm <pattern> to make sure you are deleting the right files |
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| 15:13.44 | o2T7 | joshteam: perhaps bacause of your locales |
| 15:14.08 | mns | sdx: what is the IP of your machine that you are pinging from ? Is that 83 ? |
| 15:14.34 | mns | sdx: what does ifconfig -a show for your interfaces ? |
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| 15:15.19 | sdx | mns, yes |
| 15:15.41 | iguanna | ??scripts |
| 15:15.58 | sdx | mns, it shows .83 for eth0 |
| 15:16.07 | iguanna | any good link to learn about scripts? |
| 15:16.07 | mns | sdx: what does 'netstat -r' show for "default" route ? |
| 15:16.12 | stew | xingu: can you have the dark side send me a job offer or letter of intent to work on said backbones? |
| 15:16.30 | mns | sdx: is that default route pointing correctly to 254 ? |
| 15:16.56 | o2T7 | iguanna: man ksh |
| 15:17.35 | sdx | mns: no |
| 15:17.45 | sdx | mns: one entry and it says 192.168.1.0 |
| 15:17.58 | DexterF | why do gtk apps sometimes come up with this font size, then with that? |
| 15:18.38 | DexterF | example: gThumb image viewer. sometimes looks normal (about size 9), sometimes more like 12 or 13. then 9 again, then 12 etc etc |
| 15:19.16 | mathx | stew: community string = bgp stuff |
| 15:19.31 | mathx | stew: allows you to blackhole one of your own target IPs up at your upstream provider's router so you dont get the traffic at all |
| 15:19.36 | mns | sdx: Can you paste the following: output of your ping command, output of 'netstat -r' and |
| 15:19.40 | mathx | i deal with DDos's that are shear bandwidth |
| 15:19.46 | mathx | cant fit a gigabit down a 100mbps link |
| 15:19.51 | mns | sdx: Can you paste the following: output of your ping command, output of 'netstat -r' and 'ifconfig eth0' |
| 15:20.15 | mathx | mns: id ont know that he has carrier on that line :/ |
| 15:20.20 | mathx | mns: he seems to think so. |
| 15:20.33 | stew | mathx: the time i spent was mostly on the damage done, not stopping the attack |
| 15:20.36 | sdx | mns, not really, i have the test system on a VM and i can't copy/paste |
| 15:20.42 | mathx | btw, i have a sky2 ethernet on this Core2 mobo (gigabyte 965 chipset) - once in a while my ethernet stops sending entirely. |
| 15:20.43 | mns | ok |
| 15:20.54 | mathx | I have to rmmod sky2 && modprobe sky2 && /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:21.00 | mathx | so you could be in that situation |
| 15:21.20 | Lagbolt | anyone have any experience running a second X server from a chroot with nvidia driver? |
| 15:21.22 | mathx | sdx: VM? so... uh you sending thru a VM ethernet layer? |
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| 15:22.24 | mns | sdx: in netstat -r you only had one line ? there should have been two lines |
| 15:22.43 | sdx | mns: i know, i tried adding it too but didn't work |
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| 15:22.46 | sdx | mathx, yes |
| 15:22.47 | XTZGZoReX | Can I safely resize my Fat32 windows partition into two with the debian setup disk? |
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| 15:23.12 | sdx | also, what is debian-volatile? |
| 15:23.13 | mns | sdx: try netstat -rn instead |
| 15:23.15 | sdx | the repo |
| 15:23.26 | stew | sdx: /msg dpkg volatile |
| 15:24.15 | o2T7 | Why does an umask 0022 create new files with 644 mode ? |
| 15:24.30 | sdx | aptitude upgrade= aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:25.09 | XTZGZoReX | sdx: no |
| 15:25.18 | XTZGZoReX | sdx: I mean, its not the same =O |
| 15:25.20 | o2T7 | In `man umask` I can see "(because 0666 & ~022 = 0644; i.e., rw-r--r--)". but why 0666? It isn't the maximum possible value... |
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| 15:25.50 | Juventino | ok, that's driving me crazy... |
| 15:25.51 | stew | sdx: no, upgrade is not willing to remove packages or install new packages, if upgrading a package would require either of these, it would not be upgraded. dist-upgrade is willing to either install or remove in order to upgrade |
| 15:25.58 | sdx | mns: now it's empty. i did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:26.06 | sdx | stew, thank you |
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| 15:26.29 | mathx | here's what i love: |
| 15:26.30 | mathx | Setting up openoffice.org-writer2latex (0.5-6) ... |
| 15:26.30 | mathx | Adding extension /usr/lib/openoffice/share/extension/install/writer2latex.uno.pkg...GC Warning: Repeated allocation of very large block (appr. size 1048576000): May lead to memory leak and poor performance. |
| 15:26.35 | mathx | i filed a bug on it: |
| 15:26.50 | Juventino | i added the deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free to sources.list, update the keys, and more yet, i can't find the firmware-iwlwifi package in apt-cache search, knowing that i did apt-get update |
| 15:26.54 | mathx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482152 |
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| 15:27.03 | sdx | mns: zomg it worked |
| 15:27.08 | mathx | sdx: what did |
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| 15:27.46 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:27.46 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 15:28.03 | mathx | abrotman: ? whats offtopic |
| 15:28.12 | mns | sdx: the networking restart worked ? did you make some changes and forget to do the restart ? :) |
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| 15:28.16 | abrotman | nothing .. just a PSA |
| 15:28.18 | o2T7 | Juventino, you can get the sources |
| 15:28.50 | mathx | so how do people install openoffice now in lenny/sid? |
| 15:29.07 | mathx | cuz im getting uno.bin from openoffice going insane on ram |
| 15:29.14 | mathx | uno.bin installs internal openoffice modules/packages. |
| 15:29.17 | themill | Juventino: /msg dpkg iwlwifi |
| 15:29.23 | mathx | check the bug report,wonder if i can get a faster resolution on it here with you experts |
| 15:29.35 | themill | mathx: did you upgrade to etch first? Or sarge, even? |
| 15:29.46 | mathx | themill: different box :) |
| 15:30.00 | mathx | themill: also, i dont think that an internal openoffice utility using up ram insanely is a dpkg error |
| 15:30.04 | sdx | mns, i don't know how that happened...i just did /etc/init.d/networking restart and i did dhclient |
| 15:30.10 | sdx | i had done it previously too |
| 15:30.14 | sdx | but it hadn't worked |
| 15:30.43 | Juventino | themill i read all that already :s |
| 15:31.07 | Juventino | the problem is, i can't get the package, cause it's not listed in the search |
| 15:31.23 | themill | Juventino: so read it more carefully. And follow the links. /msg dpkg iwlwifi etch . It tells you explicitly how to get the firmware. |
| 15:31.42 | Juventino | The iwlwifi driver is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21 (which include etch's 2.6.18 kernel). Grab a newer kernel from either backports.org or etch'n'half and the firmware from sid's 'firmware-iwlwifi' package. If you have a 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 Debian kernel, look at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi for more details. Also ask me about <backports.org> and <etchnhalf>. |
| 15:31.50 | Juventino | that's what dpkg said, |
| 15:31.54 | Juventino | i checked all that |
| 15:32.02 | themill | Juventino: I know what dpkg said. I wrote it. |
| 15:32.10 | Juventino | and followed the instruction on that page |
| 15:32.14 | jelly | Juventino: etchnhalf has a 2.6.24 kernel for you, what's the problem? |
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| 15:32.35 | Juventino | jelly the problem is getting firmware-iwlwifi |
| 15:32.36 | themill | Juventino: Note this bit carefully: "firmware from sid's 'firmware-iwlwifi' package |
| 15:32.51 | Juventino | themill i did! |
| 15:33.10 | Juventino | i said i added: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free to sources.list |
| 15:33.18 | Juventino | and got the key for backports.org |
| 15:33.21 | themill | Juventino: *sid* |
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| 15:33.48 | HyperDevil | Hi i just installed the new kernel for etch, now my network does not come up anymore... |
| 15:33.49 | sdx | what is the pkg name for gd? |
| 15:33.56 | sdx | the graphics lib? |
| 15:33.58 | Juventino | themill can you please take a look at: http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
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| 15:34.07 | Martini | mhm |
| 15:34.08 | Martini | Fontconfig warning: no <cachedir> elements found. Check configuration. |
| 15:34.11 | mathx | sdx: apt-cache search gd | grep graphics |
| 15:34.12 | themill | Juventino: I know that page fairly well too... |
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| 15:34.30 | stew | !iwlwifi etch =~ s#sid's 'firmware-iwlwifi' package.#http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download# |
| 15:34.30 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 15:34.44 | HyperDevil | Hi i just installed the new kernel for etch, now my network does not come up anymore... the eth0 is there but is not online on boot :| |
| 15:34.50 | themill | Juventino: But you don't need to follow those instructions because you are using the 2.6.24 kernel; they are for the 2.6.21/22 kernel. Follow the URL that stew just posted. |
| 15:35.22 | sdx | i did install libgd2-dev, but i didn't really want to and now aptitude remove libgd2-dev won't remove it |
| 15:35.23 | sdx | why |
| 15:35.29 | Juventino | oh alright.. |
| 15:35.56 | HyperDevil | Hi i just installed the new kernel for etch, now my network does not come up anymore... the eth0 is there but is not online on boot :| anybody know why? |
| 15:36.21 | stew | HyperDevil: what happens when you run "ifup eth0"? |
| 15:36.52 | HyperDevil | stew: the interface comes up, but no IP... (/etc/network/interfaces is correctly configured)! |
| 15:37.01 | XTZGZoReX | Meh. |
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| 15:37.43 | HyperDevil | stew: this server has been up for 20 days, with the same config (i did not change it) when there was an update today, after the reboot the interface does not come up |
| 15:38.06 | zyx386_ | why my apache adress is localhos/apache2-default not just localhost? |
| 15:38.12 | HyperDevil | stew: sounds very ackward, maybe an kernel or config thing that happened with the upgrade? |
| 15:39.02 | stew | HyperDevil: are you sure eth0 is the right interface? check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:39.16 | stew | HyperDevil: its configued static or dhcp? |
| 15:39.31 | HyperDevil | stew: it has always been eth0, static |
| 15:39.43 | stew | HyperDevil: does it have no ip or the wrong ip? and how are you checking? |
| 15:40.03 | HyperDevil | stew: ifconfig: no ip, /etc/network/interfaces: all good... |
| 15:40.40 | zyx386_ | can every one tell my? |
| 15:40.43 | stew | HyperDevil: can you give it an ip with ifconfig? |
| 15:40.50 | zyx386_ | in lenny have var/www |
| 15:41.02 | HyperDevil | stew: why should i? the interface should come up automaticly? |
| 15:41.04 | stew | zyx386_: becuase of the RedirectMatch in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 15:41.10 | zyx386_ | bbut in Etch is var/www/apache2-default |
| 15:41.30 | HyperDevil | stew: i check that net.rules file, it is the correct interface |
| 15:41.38 | sdx | anyone? |
| 15:41.46 | zyx386_ | hanx stew how can change it to /var/www |
| 15:42.01 | stew | HyperDevil: i was only suggesting ifconfig as a diagnostic |
| 15:42.10 | stew | zyx386_: remove the RedirectMatch |
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| 15:42.29 | HyperDevil | stew: interface does not come up when booting as it should.. when i do ifconfig eth0 no ip is given |
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| 15:42.49 | HyperDevil | stew: sounds like a bug somehwere.. |
| 15:42.52 | Petur_ | asldfjælafjas |
| 15:42.55 | Petur_ | gjagk |
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| 15:44.58 | HyperDevil | stew: i am filing a kernel bug.. |
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| 15:45.35 | HyperDevil | stew: probably something with the ethernet module for the card |
| 15:46.24 | zyx386_ | stew, i remove Redirectmatch but change nothing |
| 15:46.41 | stew | zyx386_: did you run "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" after making the change? |
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| 15:47.01 | zyx386_ | no |
| 15:47.05 | flokuehn | stew: what do you think it the problem of HyperDevil could be related to? |
| 15:47.06 | zyx386_ | now i do it |
| 15:47.08 | zyx386_ | thanxc |
| 15:47.17 | stew | flokuehn: i don't know, we barely got started diagnosing it |
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| 15:49.57 | zyx386_ | stew, thanx , but the apache2-default directory is stil in /var/www, ! |
| 15:50.06 | zyx386_ | i'll |
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| 15:50.25 | zyx386_ | /var/www my apache directory |
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| 15:51.43 | dabreegster | When I either reboot xdm by any method (ctrl+alt+backspace, init.d/xdm restart, or init.d/xdm stop then start) I get a glitched login screen and lose all mouse and keyboard control. |
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| 15:54.23 | stew | zyx386_: feel free to remove the apache2-default directory from /var/www |
| 15:54.44 | zyx386_ | stew, thanx :) |
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| 15:55.34 | Deepa | When trying to bring up tun0 I get a |
| 15:55.35 | Deepa | tun0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 15:55.35 | Deepa | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 15:55.35 | Deepa | citadel:~# lsmod | grep tun |
| 15:55.35 | Deepa | tun 10336 0 |
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| 15:55.57 | Deepa | Well I get a no such device error |
| 15:56.01 | Deepa | and a lsmod | grep tun shows |
| 15:56.03 | Deepa | tun 10336 0 |
| 15:56.07 | hoxu | !tell Deepa about paste |
| 15:56.18 | Deepa | I lagged, that's not the same as pasting |
| 15:56.58 | hoxu | Deepa, really? You think you got off the hook? ;) |
| 15:57.01 | hoxu | !tell Deepa about enter |
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| 15:57.48 | Deepa | I am terribly sorry about my lacking punctuation. |
| 15:59.19 | hoxu | Deepa, that factoid was just to let you know there's a more nice way of showing multiple lines to the channel |
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| 16:02.16 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 16:02.30 | Deepa | Now to get back to the topic |
| 16:02.35 | Deepa | How do I get tun working? |
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| 16:09.59 | Juventino | guys, is "ip a" enabled in etchnhalf? |
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| 16:11.35 | rahul | Juventino: "enabled"? |
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| 16:11.39 | skyowner | hi everybody |
| 16:11.46 | rahul | Juventino: it worked in etch, I thought |
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| 16:12.15 | skyowner | i was wondering one thing: i have generated SSL certificate for Apache WEB SERVER, after OpenSSL update will they work anyway ? |
| 16:12.20 | skyowner | this is VERY IMPORTANT |
| 16:12.22 | skyowner | ? |
| 16:12.47 | themill | skyowner: did you generate these certificates under etch? |
| 16:12.52 | skyowner | yes |
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| 16:13.33 | skyowner | themill: even after OpenSSLupdate it won't block access to https client ? |
| 16:13.41 | themill | skyowner: then the certificate is vulnerable and you need to generate a new one after updating openssl and libssl0.9.8 |
| 16:13.42 | Juventino | rahul i mean working |
| 16:14.00 | skyowner | themill i know that |
| 16:14.16 | skyowner | themill but my question is anyway for the moment if i just update OPenSSL will it continue working ? |
| 16:14.23 | rahul | Juventino: it worked for me for years |
| 16:14.29 | themill | skyowner: Yes it will. |
| 16:14.36 | skyowner | themill thanks :) |
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| 16:15.08 | themill | skyowner: but you need to regenerate the certificate ASAP... |
| 16:15.14 | Juventino | rahul it's in which package? |
| 16:15.17 | alturiak | skyowner: once generated, openssl isn't used by your certificates or keys anymore, it's only used for the generation process |
| 16:15.41 | stew | Juventino: its in the iproute package, it would work in pretty much any debian envirionment |
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| 16:17.20 | Spirit_ | what tool would i use to print multiple pages on one paper? |
| 16:18.06 | keram` | do the host keys also need to be regenerated? |
| 16:18.10 | rahul | Juventino: is the problem that you didn't install it or that the command itself is failing? |
| 16:18.11 | themill | Spirit_: psnup or pdfnup |
| 16:18.22 | rahul | Juventino: if you tell us the error, we can actually help you |
| 16:18.25 | themill | Spirit_: It's built in to the KDE print system if you are using that. |
| 16:18.40 | Sauerhead | best way to enable java on debian? |
| 16:18.41 | Spirit_ | themill: nope, xfce. thanks! |
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| 16:18.54 | Sauerhead | I'm use to the "ubuntu" method |
| 16:19.01 | rahul | "enable"? |
| 16:19.05 | Sauerhead | well install |
| 16:19.06 | Sauerhead | use |
| 16:19.10 | Sauerhead | etc |
| 16:19.19 | keram` | sudo aptitude instal sun-java-6? |
| 16:19.25 | themill | Supaplex: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:19.28 | Sauerhead | couldn't find the package |
| 16:19.32 | Sauerhead | let me try that again |
| 16:19.34 | rahul | it's in nonfree |
| 16:19.36 | Sauerhead | I may have made a typo |
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| 16:19.48 | Juventino | rahul guess it wasn't installed |
| 16:19.50 | themill | keram`: you need to get the package name right, though |
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| 16:20.09 | keram` | yes i think there is a -jre or something at the end :P |
| 16:20.14 | rahul | Juventino: yes, guess-and-check is a wonderfully efficient way of solving problems |
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| 16:20.30 | rahul | Sauerhead: you can just search for "java" in aptitude... |
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| 16:20.42 | themill | keram`: and there's no - between the java and the 6. And java6 isn't in etch either. :( |
| 16:20.48 | Juventino | rahul i was just asking it's in which package :) |
| 16:21.17 | rahul | Juventino: if you told us that the error was that the ip command wasn't found, we could have told you what to install right away |
| 16:21.35 | rahul | instead of having to play 20 questions to get you to tell us what is on your screen |
| 16:22.01 | halflife | hello folks, i am looking for the binary xlock in packages.debian.org and can't find it, running lenny , was it replaced by aother package. i don't want to use xscreensaver since i run into frozen screens that i can';t recover from |
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| 16:23.05 | xsdg | halflife: I doubt xscreensaver itself is causing your problems |
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| 16:23.29 | drac | halflife: you know.. if you have just hardlocking issues with xscreensaver you could just disable all the opengl screensavers (most likely helps) |
| 16:23.33 | rahul | halflife: don't use opengl, then |
| 16:23.34 | xsdg | halflife: have you tried uninstalling xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra? |
| 16:24.33 | jelly | halflife: or don't install/remote anything, just change the settings to use the blank screen |
| 16:24.37 | jelly | remove* |
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| 16:27.44 | halflife | jelly: i think the problem is with the ati proprietry driver that i am using, it locks up the screen after a logout from gnome session, too, or when the monitor goes into power saving mode, i can't recover. i did try disabling glx module in /etc/X11/xorg.conf since i see a lot of fgl* errors on the console when i hit cntrl+alt+f1 or when i shutdown gdm, i have uninstalled xsceensaver-gl |
| 16:28.06 | themill | halflife: are you running etch? |
| 16:28.11 | dabreegster | I'm having major issues restarting xorg with any display manager. The screen visually glitches andI lose all mouse and keyboard control. |
| 16:28.19 | halflife | i did disable the screen saver option completely in gnome. but i need to lock the screen. :( |
| 16:28.39 | halflife | themill: lenny :D |
| 16:28.45 | jelly | halflife: sucks. The free ati driver doesn't work for you? |
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| 16:28.47 | Sauerhead | can't find it in aptitude, does that mean I will have to edit my sources? |
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| 16:29.05 | themill | halflife: are you using the latest fglrx driver that is in lenny? (including the kernel module) |
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| 16:30.23 | simmerz | any particular 4 port sata raid cards that support RAID 10 supported directly by etch? |
| 16:30.36 | halflife | themill: hmmn i dunno, all i know is that i used ati's driver package, i dunno how to check if i am using the latest fglrx driver |
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| 16:30.53 | Lagbolt | simmerz, you want to have raid on the card or use mdadm? |
| 16:31.01 | themill | halflife: ahh... using ati's package does make it a lot harder. |
| 16:31.07 | halflife | i am using 2.6.24-1 from the testing repository |
| 16:31.10 | twobitwork | is the KDE in lenny version 4? aptitude just says "5:48" ... |
| 16:31.16 | halflife | themill: well i would like to go back to using debian' |
| 16:31.42 | halflife | sorry i meant's the one from repo's but i dunno how to uninstall the ati package, |
| 16:31.45 | themill | !tell twobitwork about kde version |
| 16:32.05 | themill | twobitwork: also /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 16:32.06 | Enigma | simmerz: 3WARE 9500S-4LP? |
| 16:32.28 | Lagbolt | simmerz, also pci? |
| 16:32.28 | Lagbolt | express? |
| 16:32.45 | Lagbolt | details :) i like rosewill, i have a couple 4 port rosewill sata controls working like champs |
| 16:32.56 | twobitwork | themill: thanks |
| 16:33.05 | halflife | themill: any recommendations on how to uinstall ati's installed components ? |
| 16:33.37 | jelly | simmerz: also, if you already know you want raid10, why not cash out for a hot-spare drive? |
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| 16:33.54 | jelly | simmerz: (implying 4 ports would not be enough) |
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| 16:34.03 | themill | halflife: nfc. |
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| 16:34.37 | cristina_crow | Hello |
| 16:34.55 | halflife | jelly: the free ati driver was giving me trouble in setting up dual monitor, so gave ati packages a try, i confess i wimped out :p |
| 16:34.56 | cristina_crow | have any of you, guys, configured RSVP over MPLS over debian? |
| 16:35.00 | cristina_crow | ..thanks? |
| 16:35.27 | simmerz | never mind. need to rethink hardware. dell make cheap servers for a reason heh |
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| 16:35.59 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.22 | stoned | shit parts, shit quality components, even on the cheapest shit they have a decent markup/margin |
| 16:36.45 | jelly | stoned: you worked there, right? |
| 16:36.51 | stoned | yes |
| 16:36.53 | dabreegster | dpkg (the infobot) says to use i386 on an athlon 64bit machine. Is this really a better idea? I'm not doing anything with large amounts of RAM. Just a normal machine. |
| 16:36.53 | dpkg | that's too long, dabreegster |
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| 16:37.08 | stoned | lol |
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| 16:37.23 | stew | dabreegster: is it going to be a desktop or a server or what? |
| 16:37.29 | dabreegster | desktop |
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| 16:37.39 | jelly | dabreegster: yes, you'll have less problems with binary stuff like flash, java, etc |
| 16:37.40 | zErOaCid | i just updated my debian sid and i installed the linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686 so that i can install my nvidia driver, however when i install my nvidia driver it says "The kernel you are installing for is a Xen kernel. any idea? |
| 16:37.51 | dabreegster | I just thought the 386 arch was incompatible. Ah ok, thank you. |
| 16:37.53 | stew | dabreegster: if you are going to want to use the sun java browser plugin or flash, then i386 would make those things easier |
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| 16:38.22 | dabreegster | There's no speed loss in running in 32bit mode? I only have 2GB RAM in it anyway. |
| 16:38.26 | jelly | dabreegster: both will work; however, mixing i386 and amd64 on debian is clumsy and some apps are still i386 only |
| 16:38.37 | stoned | its not a speed thing really |
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| 16:39.10 | raymon | lol |
| 16:39.15 | ``y7 | which should be used? cd directory or cd ./directory? |
| 16:39.46 | raymon | debian sarge wont load on my laptop.. |
| 16:39.53 | raymon | as in boot |
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| 16:39.56 | raymon | dunno why |
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| 16:40.14 | jelly | raymon: sarge is not supported any more. how old is your laptop? |
| 16:40.43 | raymon | my laptop is 6 months old. |
| 16:40.48 | raymon | 1.7Ghz |
| 16:40.48 | jelly | dabreegster: some apps work a bit better in amd64 (say 10%?), some don't, some are even slower. The easy way is to go with i386. :-) |
| 16:40.52 | raymon | 1 GB ram |
| 16:41.06 | dabreegster | jelly: Thats what I'll do. Thank you. |
| 16:41.21 | rahul | I'd say the performance variation range is more like 20% |
| 16:41.50 | rahul | oh, right... that might have been because of GC default settings... |
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| 16:42.18 | jelly | raymon: boo |
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| 16:42.39 | dabreegster | I'm making preps to move my hacky screen/framebuffer console environment to good ol GUI with mrxvt. When I restart my xorg server (latest in lenny) with any display manager, the screen glitches and I lose mouse/keyboard control. I can't find a bug report on this ,but I'm pretty sure I've encountered and fixed it before. Is it a common issue? |
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| 16:43.16 | BubbaT | Is there a way to get wine to recognise my cd burner? |
| 16:43.22 | peleg | is it not good for a server if I make a cronjob for every minute? it us just a very simple php+mysql script that read and outputs data (no calculations) |
| 16:43.54 | jelly | dabreegster: "screen glitch + lose input" can mean "X died, but the card was left in graphic mode" |
| 16:44.01 | BubbaT | peleg, not if it takes 59 seconds to execute. |
| 16:44.27 | jelly | dabreegster: verify by logging into the machine from a remote one and looking for X process |
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| 16:44.30 | peleg | BubbaT: it takes less than a second, I believe. so - thanks! |
| 16:44.35 | dabreegster | jelly: OK |
| 16:45.00 | Monkey_arma | peleg, sounds ok....just depends on how much spare computing power you have |
| 16:45.12 | Monkey_arma | and what you are using your server for |
| 16:45.13 | rahul | cron is good about not starting a job if the same job is already running from a previous invocation |
| 16:45.23 | peleg | Monkey_arma: not a lot; do you think it might be significant? |
| 16:45.27 | rahul | BubbaT: recognize? as a burner? don't think you can |
| 16:45.30 | Monkey_arma | peleg no i dont |
| 16:45.36 | Monkey_arma | i think it will be fine |
| 16:45.37 | rahul | BubbaT: why would you use wine to burn a CD anyway? |
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| 16:45.44 | peleg | Monkey_arma: thanks |
| 16:45.45 | Monkey_arma | peleg what is server for? |
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| 16:45.52 | stoned | nayaunda |
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| 16:46.00 | peleg | Monkey_arma: web development |
| 16:46.04 | peleg | mostly |
| 16:46.10 | rahul | heh |
| 16:46.21 | peleg | I want it to check things every minute, and notify me |
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| 16:46.26 | Monkey_arma | should be fine i guess.. |
| 16:46.41 | BubbaT | rahul, I've got a new PC with a corrupt registry. The files are all intact so I thought I would try to use debian live to make a recovery disk. |
| 16:46.43 | Monkey_arma | unless your server was running flat out continously :) which i doubt |
| 16:46.44 | jelly | BubbaT: does your user have rw permissions for the burner device? Does it work if you run wine as root (I know...)? |
| 16:46.49 | peleg | Monkey_arma: do you know of a good way to check that? |
| 16:47.05 | Monkey_arma | there are various tools |
| 16:47.07 | Monkey_arma | top for one |
| 16:47.10 | rahul | BubbaT: I don't get it |
| 16:47.17 | peleg | check "cpu usage over the time".. |
| 16:47.23 | BubbaT | But the process needs to use ImBurn to burn the CD. |
| 16:47.30 | rahul | BubbaT: why do you need wine? |
| 16:47.37 | Monkey_arma | "top" is the most famous command line tool |
| 16:47.43 | BubbaT | s/ImBurn/ImgBurn/ |
| 16:47.44 | rahul | just use mkisofs and wodim |
| 16:47.47 | jelly | BubbaT: do you have an image to burn? |
| 16:47.47 | Monkey_arma | you can check memory and cpu usage and more |
| 16:47.52 | BubbaT | to run ImgBurn. |
| 16:47.57 | peleg | I have htop, but it's only for a specific moment |
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| 16:48.07 | BubbaT | jely, no I have an ImgBurn project file. |
| 16:48.10 | Monkey_arma | with top you can alter the delay |
| 16:48.35 | peleg | Monkey_arma: thanks |
| 16:48.39 | Monkey_arma | there are gui tools i guess |
| 16:48.41 | Monkey_arma | i dont use them |
| 16:48.58 | Monkey_arma | i would use top with a small delay and record the results |
| 16:49.08 | jelly | BubbaT: if it's supposed to read pieces of Windows configuration, chances are the result wouldn't be valid anyway |
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| 16:49.46 | jelly | BubbaT: best to rma the machine, since it's new... |
| 16:49.47 | Monkey_arma | but you get a feel for a server anyway |
| 16:49.51 | BubbaT | jelly it really doesn't just the i386 directory. |
| 16:50.05 | Monkey_arma | if its not running flat out you should be fine..with web development |
| 16:50.57 | jelly | BubbaT: please answer the questions above, then |
| 16:51.17 | Monkey_arma | peleg, if you feel it is using too much resources you could alter the priority of the process with 'renice' or 'nice' |
| 16:51.45 | BubbaT | jelly, which ones. |
| 16:52.07 | jelly | start with [18:46] <jelly> BubbaT: does your user have rw permissions for the burner device? Does it work if you run wine as root (I know...)? |
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| 16:52.22 | tvynr | BubbaT: <shameless-plug>http://www.bahj.com/wisp</shameless-plug> :) |
| 16:52.24 | BubbaT | I already said I don't have an image just a ImgBurn project. |
| 16:52.25 | thepunisher | is it possible to install debian from the internet? |
| 16:52.47 | tvynr | thepunisher: That's usually how it's done. But you need something to boot to do that. |
| 16:52.49 | BubbaT | thepunisher, yes |
| 16:53.08 | tvynr | thepunisher: So you download and burn the install CD. What's the real question? Do you not have a CD drive available or something? |
| 16:53.10 | thepunisher | my computer can boot the network |
| 16:53.17 | BubbaT | jelly the other one I'm still investigating. |
| 16:53.20 | thepunisher | i dont have a cd or floppy |
| 16:53.50 | tvynr | thepunisher: Hmm. Difficult. Do you have a network boot server? You could have it host the CD ISO or something. Is the computer new enough to boot USB sticks? |
| 16:53.52 | stew | thepunisher: /msg dpkg i-g |
| 16:54.08 | kora | hi, when i do a dpkg-reconfigure localeconf on my edge i get the following warning: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. The server is a vserver. anyone knows how to solve that problem? |
| 16:54.32 | peleg | Monkey_arma: right, thanks |
| 16:54.34 | stew | kora: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:54.43 | Monkey_arma | np |
| 16:55.13 | Jedi_Tux | :wq |
| 16:55.16 | thepunisher | so is it possible to boot debian over the internet? |
| 16:55.16 | Jedi_Tux | oops |
| 16:55.27 | stew | thepunisher: yes |
| 16:55.47 | kora | stew: the same error appears when i execute the command |
| 16:56.10 | stew | kora: did you set a default locale by running "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
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| 16:57.08 | kora | stew: found it, needed to install packages locales, language-env; thanks |
| 16:57.10 | Bushmills | thepunisher: your machine can boot from anywhere it supports in the BIOS. what boot devices choices you have there, you can boot from. |
| 16:57.38 | Bushmills | thepunisher: that's less a matter of operating system, but matter of the BIOS in your machine |
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| 16:58.37 | diabel- | Oo. what a big channel |
| 17:00.05 | PriitM | Hmm, I got 3 cd program to install, but I can't installit, because cd-rom being used and prevented ejecting. Has anyone had issues with this? umount -f /media/cdrom didn't help much(device is busy) |
| 17:00.21 | diabel- | I've got question, I realy newbie in debian, I try to update my system, I've got "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" but apt-get update tell me that this is bad line/sentence etc... and Hi's showing me some errors (404) |
| 17:00.24 | PriitM | I mean currently I got setup running and waiting for cd2, but I can't eject cd 1 :) |
| 17:00.41 | PriitM | 404 is not found error, maybe you wrote wrong url? |
| 17:00.54 | diabel- | Is a correct setting?(this deb http://...) |
| 17:00.54 | diabel- | ? |
| 17:00.58 | stew | diabel-: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:01.34 | stew | diabel-: "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" is correct |
| 17:01.56 | themill | stew: does it need an extra / after .org? |
| 17:01.57 | Bushmills | PriitM: as long as files on the cd are in use, the cd won't open. having changed directory to the mount point of the cd is also "in use" |
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| 17:02.36 | stew | themill: definately not |
| 17:02.40 | Bushmills | PriitM: though there is a command line option to umount around it, i'd suggest to stop using anything on the cd first |
| 17:02.57 | stew | oh wait |
| 17:03.04 | Monkey_arma | diabel-, I have a / after security.debian.org but It probably is not that |
| 17:03.10 | diabel- | stew: Now it's ok :), thanks, I think that I had somewhere a bad letter in this sentence |
| 17:03.20 | themill | stew: nah, works ok without one. |
| 17:03.20 | diabel- | thanks :) |
| 17:03.24 | stew | !security |
| 17:03.24 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 17:04.00 | diabel- | I try to switch to debian, gentoo doing booring me :( |
| 17:04.02 | stew | i'm using ftp for some unknown reason |
| 17:04.16 | PriitM | Bushmills, thanks. I managed to fix this issue with eject command(which I didn't know to try at first place) |
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| 17:09.15 | thepunisher1 | can i burn a iso image to a pendrive? |
| 17:09.48 | stew | thepunisher: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 17:10.10 | diabel- | Is there any other channel about debian? |
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| 17:10.29 | stew | diabel-: many |
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| 17:10.43 | thepunisher1 | well the usb booting be slow? |
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| 17:11.23 | stew | thepunisher1: no |
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| 17:11.37 | thepunisher1 | on usb 1.1 |
| 17:11.43 | diabel- | which? |
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| 17:12.22 | mishohimself | Hi, guys. Just a fast question to ask. I have an old pc turned into a server running with debian. Every time I restart it, it believes that is January 1999 or something. Is something wrong with the MB battery or it's normal to set the date manually when no graphic env is installed? |
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| 17:12.51 | tvynr | sounds like mobo battery to me |
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| 17:12.54 | stew | diabel-: there is #debian on irc.debian.org ; there are lots of language specific debian channels here and on irc.debian.org and there are lots of more specific debian channels, like #debian-java #debian-kde #debian-oo... but most of the more specific channels are development related and not necessarily intended for end-users |
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| 17:13.21 | Bushmills | mishohimself: yes, battery is down. does the machine have internet access? |
| 17:13.31 | mishohimself | yeas |
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| 17:13.38 | halflife | mishohimself: you can use ntpdate to set the time |
| 17:13.49 | keitherz | . |
| 17:13.51 | Bushmills | mishohimself: but usually it will also complain about memory size error in that case |
| 17:13.54 | keitherz | yo |
| 17:14.23 | mishohimself | what do u mean by 'memory size error'? |
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| 17:14.51 | Bushmills | mishohimself: found amount of mem differs from stored/configured amount. |
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| 17:15.13 | Bushmills | or a bios data checksum error. |
| 17:15.24 | Bushmills | depending a bit on the BIOS, how it reports |
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| 17:16.22 | South3rn | Hi |
| 17:16.37 | South3rn | is there a way to downgrade from lenny to etch? I'm having trouble with alsa and the X server ... |
| 17:16.40 | South3rn | thanks on forehand |
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| 17:16.52 | Bushmills | South3rn: yes, it is called "reinstall" |
| 17:17.06 | stew | South3rn: there is no automated way, it is a tedious manual process that isn't guaranteed to work: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 17:17.06 | South3rn | lol... |
| 17:17.13 | South3rn | nah |
| 17:17.20 | South3rn | I'll reinstall fresh and clean :) |
| 17:17.23 | South3rn | thanks for the advice |
| 17:17.52 | abrotman | iptables matches the first match right ? |
| 17:18.13 | stew | abrotman: what? |
| 17:18.25 | Bushmills | abrotman: observation suggests that to be the case |
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| 17:18.31 | abrotman | if you have like .. -A INPUT -dport 123 -j DROP |
| 17:18.35 | stew | abrotman: it processes rules in order until it hits a terminal rule, if that is what you mean |
| 17:18.46 | stew | and DROP is a terminal target |
| 17:18.48 | twobitwork | has anyone successfully compiled kde4 in lenny? |
| 17:18.50 | YodaYoda | stew: Can't /etc/apt/preferences be used for downgrades? |
| 17:18.50 | abrotman | and the next rule is -A INPUT -dport 123 -s $IP -j ACCEPT |
| 17:18.55 | abrotman | it hits the first and uses that right ? |
| 17:19.04 | dimedo | hey, is there a way to make the output of make more readable by using colors? e.g. grey for the commands, white for the messages |
| 17:19.29 | stew | abrotman: it will stop at the -j DROP, yes |
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| 17:19.37 | abrotman | that's what i thought |
| 17:19.52 | stew | abrotman: it would not, for instance stop at a -j LOG |
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| 17:19.58 | abrotman | yeah .. i know that |
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| 17:20.41 | stew | YodaYoda: i do not believe you could use preferences to downgrade from lenny to etch |
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| 17:22.30 | Juventino | guys, i upgraded to kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf, knowing that i had ipw3945 installed before i removed it, and installed firmware-iwlwifi, i loaded the iwl3945 , |
| 17:22.43 | Juventino | still i can't get the wireless to work :s |
| 17:22.54 | rahul | stew: well, you can tell it to try, but that doesn't mean the packages will cleanly downgrade |
| 17:23.10 | rahul | however, the downgrade case is speciifcally mentioned in the man page |
| 17:23.13 | abrotman | or the system will ever boot again :) |
| 17:23.19 | rahul | sure |
| 17:23.32 | rahul | "you can check out, but you can never leave" |
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| 17:24.54 | Cid | ...hiya at everyone in the room... |
| 17:25.01 | wols_ | Juventino: do you have a new ipw3945 module? |
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| 17:25.49 | Cid | just a question...I'm trying to enable syllabication in openoffice writer, but I can't find which package I have to install...any idea?... |
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| 17:26.13 | stew | Juventino: does "iwconfig" list your card? |
| 17:26.58 | Juventino | wols_ i have iwl3945 |
| 17:27.02 | Juventino | stew yes |
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| 17:28.11 | stew | Juventino: what have you tried to do to get it working which isn't working? |
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| 17:28.54 | Juventino | stew, when i do iwlist wlan0 scan, it says device doesn't supprt scanning |
| 17:29.16 | Juventino | andash, it have a kill switch which should light blue when it's on, but it won't. |
| 17:29.29 | stew | Juventino: is the interface up? (try running "/sbin/ifconfig $INTERFACE up") |
| 17:29.40 | themill | Juventino: the wireless light doesn't work with iwl3945 |
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| 17:29.46 | stew | Juventino: don't expect the LEDs to work with the driver in 2.6.24 |
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| 17:29.52 | stew | (it aparantly works in newer kernels though) |
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| 17:29.54 | Juventino | themill it was working on the older kernel |
| 17:30.06 | stew | Juventino: yes, but it won't work with the iwl3945 driver in 2.6.24 |
| 17:30.13 | abrotman | then use the older kernel? |
| 17:30.16 | themill | Juventino: yes, but the older kernel wasn't using iwl3945 |
| 17:30.23 | abrotman | i still don't understand why Juventino is trying to get a newer kernel |
| 17:30.39 | Juventino | stew, i have it on another system 2.6.23 and iwl3945 and it worked. |
| 17:30.39 | abrotman | not sure i want to :) |
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| 17:32.01 | o2T7 | Is it possible to prevent a user for changing his password within a certain period of time? |
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| 17:33.11 | Juventino | well now when i do iwlist wlan0 scan it shows my network |
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| 17:33.43 | thechef | I can't use module "cifs" for samba-filesystems in debian etch, I used smbfs instead to mount samba-shares. I made tar create a tar file on that filesystem and now the file has only 2 GB(~2^31 bytes) in size, but should be bigger. How can I correct this, which component fails? |
| 17:34.01 | abrotman | o2T7: check the pam docs .. i believe there is a MIN_AGE |
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| 17:36.11 | Juventino | well, when i do "ifup wlan0" it says "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0" |
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| 17:36.32 | themill | Juventino: what's the output of ifconfig -a ? Use a pastebin. |
| 17:37.15 | adama | http://pastebin.ca/1025018 # how do I reconfigure exim4-config and install the package-maintainer's file? |
| 17:37.17 | themill | Juventino: also, please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:38.26 | Juventino | themill sure |
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| 17:39.07 | Juventino | ifconfig -a http://www.pastebin.ca/1025023 |
| 17:39.44 | diabel- | ok, I have another question, Is there any faster package server than ftp.pl.debian.org |
| 17:39.47 | diabel- | ? |
| 17:40.04 | wols_ | !tell diabel- mirrors |
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| 17:40.31 | diabel- | doesn't work? |
| 17:40.34 | diabel- | ;p |
| 17:40.41 | Juventino | interfaces http://www.pastebin.ca/1025024 |
| 17:40.41 | wols_ | !tell diabel- about apt-spy |
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| 17:41.32 | dutchfish | hi, how can i config dri on HD 2400 XT, running sid with xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, and card beatifully detected, however glxinfo reports no direct rendering, how to fix this? |
| 17:41.38 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 17:41.41 | Bushmills | thechef: look at http://ubiqx.org/cifs/SMB.html#SMB.10, under server capabilities |
| 17:41.53 | Juventino | hi dury |
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| 17:42.10 | Bushmills | thechef: it suggests that "With 32-bit file sizes, files are limited to 4GB in size." |
| 17:42.20 | o2T7 | adama: I would backup my actual config, then `apt-get --purge remove $ALLOFTHOSEPACKAGES`, remove (move) manually the rest of files not removed by apt and reinstall exim4 adjusting the configuration to my needs |
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| 17:42.52 | `harley` | Salve a Tutti >>> #debian <<< [Oº°¨H-a-®-|--y¨°ºO] |
| 17:42.59 | diabel- | thanks :) |
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| 17:43.40 | tvynr | Bushmills: There's a large file support option for SMB that was included later. If you mount a filesystem with the fs type "cifs", that should do the job. |
| 17:43.48 | adama | o2T7: i'll try that |
| 17:44.10 | dabreegster | The docs seem unclear. I figured out an xmodmap -e command to change my keymap. Where should this correctly go? I know .xsession would work, but xorg.conf must have a spot for it. I can't find a manpage listing all the Xkb options though |
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| 17:44.23 | Bushmills | tvynr: there seems to be a bit which can be set to specify 64 bit file sizes |
| 17:45.03 | tvynr | Bushmills: That as well. :) The cifs fs type uses it by default. |
| 17:45.33 | themill | Juventino: how do you normally configure your wireless device? NetworkManager? Editing /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:46.55 | Bushmills | tvynr: correction. not "can be set" but "indicated" |
| 17:46.59 | Bushmills | indicates |
| 17:47.04 | o2T7 | abrotman: sorry, I didn't see your answer, thanks |
| 17:47.18 | Zeit|awy_ | sarge to etch: apt-get dist-upgrade does.. nothing. any hints? |
| 17:47.41 | themill | !tell Zeit|awy_ about sarge->etch |
| 17:47.43 | Juventino | themill kwlanmanager |
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| 17:48.16 | Juventino | but i'm working from the shell at the moment |
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| 17:49.28 | sdx | what is running on 3306? |
| 17:49.35 | sdx | on a fresh install? |
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| 17:49.43 | Bushmills | mysql server |
| 17:50.04 | themill | Juventino: iwconfig wlan0 essid YourESSID; iwconfig wlan key your_key; dhclient wlan0 (or just use knetworkmanager...) |
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| 17:50.24 | Juventino | themill ok 1 min |
| 17:50.36 | jelly | sdx: fuser -n tcp 3306 |
| 17:50.43 | themill | Juventino: you can have all the time you want... I'm going though :) Ciao! |
| 17:51.05 | Juventino | well i guess it worked.. |
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| 17:52.46 | sdx | jelly: it says 1976 |
| 17:52.46 | sdx | :/ |
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| 17:53.26 | CrackZmoQ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.32 | CrackZmoQ | whoops |
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| 17:54.18 | sdx | jelly-home, what does this mean? |
| 17:54.20 | V4Nelle | guys i cant use brightness applet of debian.....there is any other configuration which i must do? |
| 17:54.55 | rahul | V4Nelle: what is that? |
| 17:55.14 | rahul | sdx: that's the process id |
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| 17:55.32 | rahul | I prefer netstat -tulpe |
| 17:55.33 | Fenrir | hello |
| 17:55.36 | V4Nelle | rahul: which?brightness applet? |
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| 17:55.45 | rahul | V4Nelle: yes.. what are you talking about? |
| 17:55.49 | Fenrir | true that ATI Radeon X600 aint gonna work with penguin ? |
| 17:55.55 | Fenrir | or is there some way to make it work |
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| 17:56.07 | Tobsn | hey |
| 17:56.11 | rahul | Fenrir: what makes you think it won't work? |
| 17:56.19 | Tobsn | somebody know why my debian cant find pidgin or libpurple? kinda weird. |
| 17:56.33 | stew | Tobsn: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:56.34 | V4Nelle | the brightness applet of gnome in debian !which make your screen darker or not.....i can't anable that!there is any conf which i must do? |
| 17:56.40 | Tobsn | edge |
| 17:56.42 | stew | V4Nelle: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:56.44 | rahul | V4Nelle: ask #gnome, maybe |
| 17:56.46 | V4Nelle | lenny |
| 17:56.48 | Tobsn | np: 12 - spamtec - foolish mortals [03:52] |
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| 17:56.54 | rahul | since it's a gnome-specific thing |
| 17:56.54 | Tobsn | uh sorry |
| 17:56.58 | stew | V4Nelle: you can try "xbacklight" instead |
| 17:57.02 | Fenrir | rahul, havent got it to work so far |
| 17:57.07 | Tobsn | stew, its edge |
| 17:57.18 | benjamindees | I'm having this problem with my synaptics touchpad on Etch: sometimes when I single-click, and release, the left mouse button, like when scrolling a scrollbar for instance, it repeats the click until I click on something else or it gets to the bottom of the scrollbar. |
| 17:57.18 | stew | Tobsn: pidgin didn't exist yet when etch was released. you can get it from backports.org though: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:57.25 | Tobsn | aaah |
| 17:57.27 | Fenrir | rahul and tried all drivers i possibly find |
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| 17:57.40 | Tobsn | damnit and im searching like crazy whats wrong with apt-get |
| 17:57.45 | Tobsn | thanks buddy |
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| 17:58.18 | rahul | Fenrir: the radeon driver should work, but you'll have to force it |
| 17:58.26 | Fenrir | rahul hmm.. cmd ? |
| 17:58.28 | rahul | which is probably impossible on the new xorg |
| 17:58.28 | stew | V4Nelle: if xbacklight works and the applet deosn't, consider filing a wishlist bug that the applet be updated to work with XRANDR |
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| 17:58.48 | Fenrir | i got this: ati-driver-installer-8-4-x86.x86_64.run |
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| 17:58.50 | benjamindees | other times when I single-click on a button for instance, it presses down the button but doesn't release until I move the mouse cursor away. |
| 17:58.55 | rahul | oy |
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| 17:59.07 | rahul | Fenrir: why don't you use the fglrx packages in debian? |
| 17:59.16 | Fenrir | rahul, i have installed em |
| 17:59.17 | abrotman | oh tough guy |
| 17:59.19 | Fenrir | but aint working |
| 17:59.25 | CrackZmoQ | hi, i've mounted a USB key rw but can not copy files to it, however i can touch files on the key and edit and remove them. Does anyone know what is keeping me from copying files? |
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| 17:59.43 | rahul | Fenrir: I dunno. I can't really help if you don't tell me what the actual error is, tho. |
| 17:59.45 | stew | Fenrir: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:59.55 | Fenrir | rahul result=0 is like installed |
| 18:00.08 | V4Nelle | ok guys....thx! |
| 18:00.15 | Fenrir | stew, 2.6.18 |
| 18:00.24 | rahul | Fenrir: does not parse. |
| 18:00.33 | fengor | Fenrir: whats the result of cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:00.52 | Fenrir | 4.0 |
| 18:01.01 | webPragmatist | does anyone know how to export a bayesian spam/ham database? |
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| 18:01.44 | fengor | see so you are running debian version 4.0 and not 2.6.18 ;p |
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| 18:02.26 | abrotman | try a uname -a ? or /proc/version |
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| 18:02.28 | Eulex | fengor, 2.6.18 is the kernel. |
| 18:02.45 | Eulex | ah, sorry, ignore me please. |
| 18:03.08 | Eulex | goes back into his hole |
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| 18:03.15 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:03.16 | Fenrir | hehe |
| 18:03.23 | stew | i don't know if x600 is supported by the radeon driver in etch or not |
| 18:03.24 | dury | netvista 6269 boot cdrom I'm trying could someone help me please |
| 18:03.43 | Fenrir | stew so i have no way to get it working ? :S |
| 18:03.52 | stew | Fenrir: that's not what I'm saying at all |
| 18:04.15 | Fenrir | stew, for now every driver i am trying to install fucks up so i hope to get something to work |
| 18:04.23 | dury | it's IBM netvista 6269 |
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| 18:04.42 | rahul | can't you just explicitly specify the pci id in the config? |
| 18:04.49 | Fenrir | got sum Fujitus packet PC |
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| 18:04.55 | Fenrir | Fujitsu siemens scaleo |
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| 18:05.08 | adama | http://pastebin.ca/1025074 # it's not working... |
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| 18:05.50 | stew | adama: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 18:07.31 | yaroslav | is there any way to say aptitude that i'm okay with unmet deps? http://pastie.caboo.se/200975 |
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| 18:08.15 | wols_ | yaroslav: no |
| 18:08.21 | wols_ | you can provide those deps |
| 18:08.29 | rahul | man. people who use php have dependency nightmares, it seems |
| 18:08.42 | rahul | every day there's someone with some uninstallable package |
| 18:09.05 | adama | stew: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install exim4-config # did not make any difference |
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| 18:09.12 | yaroslav | i have just received a debian server with php, i'm more into ruby and python but it seems i'll have to support php deploy for quite some time.. thay have this php deps problem |
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| 18:09.37 | wols_ | yaroslav: why do you need a bpo php package |
| 18:09.40 | stew | yaroslav: show us the output of "apt-cache policy php5-mysql php5-common" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:10.16 | stew | yaroslav: and these are dependencies you don't want to ignore, btw |
| 18:10.47 | yaroslav | stew: http://rafb.net/p/KX0ycz60.html |
| 18:11.19 | torrrrrrrr | does dpkg-repack saves changes that were made to files? |
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| 18:11.46 | stew | yaroslav: oh, this is a sarge machine? you should be upgrading to etch, sarge is no longer supported: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 18:12.23 | patrick-- | hey all. can someone tell me which dirs to include into open_basedir for this error to disappear? http://pupasch.eu/dbadmin/ |
| 18:12.45 | vezult | is ssh-vulnkey able to identify weak keys that were generated on a different arch than the host? |
| 18:13.11 | stew | yaroslav: it looks like, however, you somehow tried to install the php5-mysql package from etch. you should not be trying to mix sarge and etch packages |
| 18:13.20 | stew | vezult: yes |
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| 18:13.54 | vezult | so, if someone has a key in authorized_hosts, and I check that using ssh-vulnkey, it's not just comparing it against an i386 list? |
| 18:13.58 | vezult | stew: good. thanks |
| 18:14.25 | yaroslav | stew: thanks for explanation.. i got a letter from an ex-admin explaining things, he says machine is running sarge but they need latest php of sorts so they mix it with etch. do i understand right that i need to force them to update debian to etch? |
| 18:14.59 | vezult | so, then, what does it mean that dowkd.pl indicates that it is weak, but ssh-vulnkey does not? |
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| 18:15.21 | stew | yaroslav: yes, they should be upgrading the machine to etch. mixing different releases is something discouraged and not supported. sarge was 'end-of-lifed' and is no longer supported nor receiving security updates |
| 18:15.30 | vezult | I'm using the latest version of dowkd.pl downloaded this morning. |
| 18:15.34 | stew | vezult: that you should replace it |
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| 18:16.06 | yaroslav | stew: big thanks :) |
| 18:16.29 | adama | stew: I got it figured out, thanks |
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| 18:16.51 | vezult | stew: yes, but my original question was about the trustworthyness of ssh-vulnkey. If the two tools provide different answers as to wether a key is weak...can I consider them both reliable? |
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| 18:17.35 | vezult | stew: or, under what conditions can I rely on ssh-vulnkey as opposed to using dowkd.pl? |
| 18:17.47 | stew | vezult: you should not be relying on either |
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| 18:18.52 | stew | patrick--: you should be upgrading to etch. sarge is no longer supported nor getting security updates. for instance, sarge didn't get an update to these vulnerabilities to phpmyadmin: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1557 |
| 18:18.53 | vezult | stew: right. I should not rely on the only tools I have to indicate whether a key generated on a machine that I do not have access to is weak. |
| 18:18.58 | stew | patrick--: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:19.07 | stew | vezult: correct |
| 18:19.37 | YodaYoda | vezult: Assume they are all weak. |
| 18:19.38 | stew | vezult: if there is any doubt, replace them. if either tool says they are weak, definately replace them |
| 18:19.47 | vezult | stew: in other words, just don't allow authorized_hosts? |
| 18:20.00 | CrackZmoQ | hi, i've mounted a USB key rw but can not copy files to it, however i can touch files on the key and edit and remove them. Does anyone know what is keeping me from copying files? |
| 18:20.17 | peleg | do you know of any english-english dictionary that runs from command line? |
| 18:20.22 | twobitwork | CrackZmoQ: space? |
| 18:20.30 | YodaYoda | CrackZmoQ: Have you run out of inodes? |
| 18:20.32 | CrackZmoQ | twobitwork: 980 MB free |
| 18:20.39 | peleg | or alternatively: any english-english free word DB ? |
| 18:20.45 | CrackZmoQ | YodaYoda: df -i does not show inodes since it's vfat |
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| 18:20.54 | CrackZmoQ | unless you know of some other way to get it to show |
| 18:21.01 | stew | vezult: that's not necessarily what I'm recommending |
| 18:21.26 | YodaYoda | CrackZmoQ: I generally us quota though I don't know how it works on vfat. |
| 18:21.32 | YodaYoda | *use |
| 18:21.53 | CrackZmoQ | it's just so infuriating, i can touch a file on the disk and stuff it full of data |
| 18:21.57 | CrackZmoQ | but i can't copy to it |
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| 18:22.20 | twobitwork | CrackZmoQ: try "cat myfile > /mnt/usb/myfile" |
| 18:22.45 | CrackZmoQ | i can not create directories either |
| 18:22.47 | CrackZmoQ | only files |
| 18:22.56 | twobitwork | not sure why you would be able to create and edit files but not be able to copy... what error do you get? |
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| 18:23.28 | CrackZmoQ | i get "No space left on device" |
| 18:23.46 | CrackZmoQ | yet, this is my df -h output |
| 18:23.46 | CrackZmoQ | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 18:23.47 | CrackZmoQ | /dev/sdb1 2.0G 1.1G 906M 54% /mnt/usb |
| 18:23.51 | twobitwork | and you're sure your file is less than 980MB? |
| 18:24.00 | CrackZmoQ | twobitwork: yes |
| 18:24.13 | CrackZmoQ | i'm only working on copying one file over right now |
| 18:24.20 | CrackZmoQ | one single, mp3 file |
| 18:24.33 | twobitwork | how big is it? |
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| 18:25.11 | CrackZmoQ | twobitwork: 2.1M |
| 18:25.29 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: df -i /dev/sdb1|tail -1 |
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| 18:25.54 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: scroll up |
| 18:26.06 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: read. |
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| 18:26.12 | CrackZmoQ | but just for the sake of argument, /dev/sdb1 0 0 0 - /mnt/usb |
| 18:26.16 | stew | CrackZmoQ: does "lsof | grep deleted" show any files on /mnt/usb which have been deleted but are still open? |
| 18:26.17 | CrackZmoQ | got it? |
| 18:26.20 | jelly | vfat. |
| 18:26.32 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: already been explained |
| 18:26.41 | jelly | I'm scroll deficient, sorry |
| 18:27.49 | CrackZmoQ | stew: a file in /tmp and one in my /home dir |
| 18:27.54 | CrackZmoQ | that's it |
| 18:27.59 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: are you trying to create a file in its root? |
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| 18:28.20 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: let me cover the bases again |
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| 18:28.36 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:28.43 | jelly | fat has a fixed limit on root dir entries |
| 18:28.58 | dury | this IBM netvista 6269 |
| 18:29.00 | CrackZmoQ | on my usb key ,i can create a file but NOT a directory, i can also NOT copy any files or directories to the key |
| 18:29.35 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: i can plug it into a windows machine and copy files to it |
| 18:29.40 | CrackZmoQ | and directories |
| 18:29.46 | CrackZmoQ | so... |
| 18:29.53 | stew | CrackZmoQ: so, for instance "cat somefile > /mnt/usb/somefile" works but "cp somefile /mnt/usb/somefile" doesn't? |
| 18:30.03 | CrackZmoQ | stew: correct |
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| 18:30.20 | dury | only boots with floopies. debian netinstall by floppies could anyone drive me to get it and install debian in that computer |
| 18:30.25 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: pastebin the output of "strace cp ..." |
| 18:30.25 | stew | CrackZmoQ: file a bug |
| 18:30.51 | Bushmills | CrackZmoQ: what file system does it use? |
| 18:30.52 | CrackZmoQ | stew: actually, cating a file to a file that does not exist on the key does not work |
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| 18:31.30 | stew | CrackZmoQ: so when you say "i can create a file", what did you mean exactly? |
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| 18:31.37 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: does "cp somefile /mnt/usb/pre-existent_rw_dir/" work? |
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| 18:31.54 | CrackZmoQ | stew: 'touch file' works |
| 18:31.56 | hark | if it's ntfs, that's why |
| 18:32.11 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: nope |
| 18:32.13 | CrackZmoQ | :/ |
| 18:32.30 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: wait |
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| 18:33.09 | CrackZmoQ | ya, i can touch a file in an existing directory on the key but not cat to that file |
| 18:33.12 | CrackZmoQ | :/ |
| 18:34.04 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: pastebin the output of "strace whatever the failing command copying to /mnt/usr/somedir/" |
| 18:34.08 | Shadow_mil | how can I install the SVN command line tools? |
| 18:34.17 | Zeit|awy_ | grmpf.. this sarge-server has almost all if-then-do_first's the release note has.. |
| 18:34.21 | jelly | Shadow_mil: aptitude install subversion |
| 18:34.22 | Spirit_ | Shadow_mil: aptitude install subversion |
| 18:34.28 | Spirit_ | slices the jelly |
| 18:34.31 | Shadow_mil | ah |
| 18:34.57 | stew | Zeit|awy_: well be happy you have the release notes then! |
| 18:35.02 | jelly | reconstitutes T1000-like |
| 18:35.12 | Zeit|awy_ | crosses all fingers and runs aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 18:35.42 | stew | CrackZmoQ: is it DEFINATELY vfat and not ntfs? |
| 18:36.10 | jelly | grep sdb1 /proc/mounts |
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| 18:37.52 | CrackZmoQ | stew: that's what it says |
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| 18:38.01 | stew | CrackZmoQ: where? |
| 18:38.08 | CrackZmoQ | "With Debian, you can never be sure" |
| 18:38.17 | stew | what? |
| 18:38.22 | CrackZmoQ | that's a joke |
| 18:38.25 | CrackZmoQ | nm |
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| 18:39.38 | svk | Hi, I'm having trouble with my keyboard in X after a recent upgrade to lenny |
| 18:39.49 | svk | Specifically, the AltGr key doesn't work correctly |
| 18:39.57 | CrackZmoQ | stew: /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb vfat rw 0 0 |
| 18:39.59 | CrackZmoQ | from mtab |
| 18:40.12 | jelly | not mtab, /proc/mounts |
| 18:40.57 | CrackZmoQ | /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso885 |
| 18:40.58 | CrackZmoQ | 9-1 0 0 |
| 18:41.01 | CrackZmoQ | that better? |
| 18:41.06 | jelly | yes |
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| 18:41.58 | ploo | anyone good with regexp |
| 18:42.04 | stew | ploo: many people |
| 18:42.06 | jelly | the straces probably won't point to an immediate solution, but might be useful for someone wanting to dabble |
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| 18:42.30 | stew | CrackZmoQ: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:43.27 | CrackZmoQ | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:43.43 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: here is your strace, http://pastebin.org/37573 |
| 18:44.09 | jelly | that's YOUR strace, I keep mine at home |
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| 18:44.12 | Fenrir | now planning rly to throw my pc out from the window |
| 18:44.16 | CrackZmoQ | ha ha |
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| 18:45.54 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: compare the open() call from that, to an open() call from a touch command that works; draw conclusions |
| 18:45.55 | Fenrir | CrackZmoQ, just that everything on comp fucks up |
| 18:45.58 | Fenrir | more or less |
| 18:46.29 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: the line 91 one, open("/mnt/usb/Vandals A Gun For Christmas.mp3", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_LARGEFILE, 0100644) = -1 ENOSPC (No space left on device) |
| 18:46.56 | abrotman | EBADMUSIC |
| 18:47.10 | jelly | ENOTRELEVANTPFFT |
| 18:47.30 | jelly | I'd _like_ to have an usb key with that feature |
| 18:47.58 | stew | CrackZmoQ: does "touch '/mnt/usb/Vandals A Gun For Christmas.mp3'" succeed? |
| 18:48.00 | plota | usb swap devices alot faster than disks? |
| 18:48.02 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: so... df is wrong? |
| 18:48.13 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: I didn't say that. |
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| 18:48.37 | stew | CrackZmoQ: not necessarily, you could be getting a bogus errno set by open |
| 18:49.31 | stew | ploo: plase ask your questions in the channel |
| 18:49.40 | CrackZmoQ | stew: now i'm getting " No space left on device" when touching a file |
| 18:50.04 | stew | CrackZmoQ: does "cp 'Vandals A Gun For Christmas.mp3' /mnt/usb/v.mp3" work? |
| 18:50.21 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: how many files are there on that fs? |
| 18:50.39 | CrackZmoQ | stew: nope |
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| 18:50.59 | stew | CrackZmoQ: but "touch /mnt/usb/v.mp3" works? |
| 18:51.36 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: 91 in the root plus 62 in a directory |
| 18:52.07 | jelly | not many |
| 18:52.14 | CrackZmoQ | stew: no, 'touch'ing a file no longer works |
| 18:52.36 | stew | CrackZmoQ: you might unmount and fsck it |
| 18:53.10 | CrackZmoQ | fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 18:53.10 | CrackZmoQ | fsck: fsck.vfat: not found |
| 18:53.11 | CrackZmoQ | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.vfat for /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:53.16 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: ... if you don't care about the current data much. install dosfstools |
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| 18:53.23 | jelly | dosfsck |
| 18:53.27 | geekunit | anyone know of a good video editor for KDE? |
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| 18:53.53 | stew | geekunit: kino? |
| 18:54.50 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: i can always copy the files to my HDD |
| 18:55.07 | CrackZmoQ | will dosfsck ruin the filesystem on the usb key/ |
| 18:55.50 | plota | fsck just read filesystems don't they? |
| 18:56.11 | plota | oh, unless it tries to repair stuff, you can probably give it an option not to |
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| 18:56.14 | Lagbolt | does anyone think that ssh allowing root logins should be disabled by default? |
| 18:56.29 | CrackZmoQ | i do |
| 18:56.32 | Lagbolt | is there really a good reason for it not to be? |
| 18:56.32 | tvynr | yep |
| 18:56.34 | jelly | Lagbolt: it's a matter of policy |
| 18:56.46 | Lagbolt | seems like bad policy tho |
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| 18:56.58 | jelly | Lagbolt: whatever the default, there are pros and cons for both |
| 18:57.36 | Lagbolt | jelly, true but i seem to think disabled pros must outweight enabled . . . do you agree? |
| 18:58.01 | CrackZmoQ | Lagbolt: honestly, this kind of topic has been beat to death |
| 18:58.03 | Lagbolt | hmm oh well, i will make sure to disable it in the future. |
| 18:58.18 | CrackZmoQ | jelly: so, submit a bug? |
| 18:58.25 | tvynr | I definitely do, just for sake of counting. But yeah, apparently some people disagree... and they package stuff. :) |
| 18:58.27 | torrrrrrrr | is there suck a think dpkg-repack? |
| 18:58.30 | CrackZmoQ | stew: or was that your suggestion? |
| 18:58.32 | Lagbolt | CrackZmoQ, yeah i am dropping it, just didnt know if that was something that has changed in the past. i feel like it was disabled. oh well no biggy |
| 18:58.39 | jelly | torrrrrrrr: yesss |
| 18:59.20 | torrrrrrrr | jelly, does it saves modification that were done to scripts? |
| 18:59.37 | x03 | hi |
| 18:59.50 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: if you're positive there are no still-open but deleted files, and the fs is consistent, and you can reproduce it after an unplug/plug cycle, yes |
| 19:00.50 | CrackZmoQ | and the 'lsof | grep deleted' helps to confirm this yes? |
| 19:00.55 | stew | Lagbolt: please refer to #462735 |
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| 19:01.04 | dFence | heyy |
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| 19:01.17 | jelly | torrrrrrrr: dpkg-repack just packs files present on the system back into a package. If files were modified, the created package will contain the changes, yes. |
| 19:01.48 | stew | CrackZmoQ: i'd suggest filing a bug, against the kernel, but only after you have 1) upgraded to a current kernel and 2) run SOME kind of fscheck on the filesystem (after perhaps backing it up) |
| 19:01.58 | BadHorsie | i'm curious if anybody else experiences problems with dhcp3-client with no returning the hostname when running dhclient... or if anybody knows an alternate package that does this job... |
| 19:02.05 | torrrrrrrr | do I need the old package .deb files? |
| 19:02.12 | jelly | CrackZmoQ: (lsof run as root, yes) |
| 19:02.29 | jelly | torrrrrrrr: no. what are you trying to do? |
| 19:03.08 | torrrrrrrr | jelly, I got advice to use it to backup my freeNX before trying to upgrad |
| 19:03.11 | CrackZmoQ | stew: did you see the output of my fsck? |
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| 19:03.26 | CrackZmoQ | it was without the dosfstools package |
| 19:03.48 | stew | CrackZmoQ: you mean the one where it said that you didn't have fsck.vfat installed? yes |
| 19:03.57 | dFence | i'm supposed to write a little interface for our POS-terminal.. i have to parse a binary .dat file that contains data of our guests. when i open that .dat-file in a hex-editor i can see the data. now my question: what would be the best commandline-tool to turn that binary.dat into a plain text file? been playing around with xxd a little but i don't get nowhere.. |
| 19:04.08 | mimcpher | So I'm generating new public/private keys for use with SSH. Is there any advange of DSA vs RSA for them? |
| 19:04.25 | stew | mimcpher: no, there is a great disadvantage. RSA is stronger |
| 19:05.03 | mimcpher | I've always used RSA keys ... I forgot how to generate them, so I googled, and "the internet" seemed to be using DSA keys. |
| 19:05.07 | Bushmills | dFence: you can hexdump it. prints bytes as hex numbers, if that's your idea of "plain text" |
| 19:05.21 | mimcpher | I'm not familiar with the DSA algorithm; I've implemented RSA before. |
| 19:05.35 | dFence | Bushmills: i think i kinda need it the other way round from hex to tex(t) |
| 19:05.49 | Bushmills | a hex dump *is* text. |
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| 19:05.56 | dFence | oh.. ok ^^ |
| 19:06.06 | Bushmills | oh. you have a hex dump? convert to ascii? |
| 19:06.17 | torrrrrrrr | jelly, so I have never used it. I should look for an example |
| 19:06.26 | stew | mimcpher: http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2008-05-14-17-21_some_maths.html <- this is an explantion of why even once string DSA keys need to be thrown out if they were used with the weak openssl |
| 19:06.38 | blubberdiblub | mimcpher, user the "-t rsa" option to ssh-keygen |
| 19:06.54 | jelly | torrrrrrrr: I'd suggest archiving the configuration file separately |
| 19:06.59 | mimcpher | blubberdiblub, that is default. |
| 19:07.00 | dFence | Bushmills: i guess so, there's abolutely no documentation on the file, it was just thrown at me ;d |
| 19:07.17 | Bushmills | dFence: to filter only the printable chars, try strings on it |
| 19:07.24 | dFence | ok |
| 19:07.35 | blubberdiblub | well, where's the problem then, mimcpher? ;) |
| 19:07.38 | jelly | wishes strings would work with utf16 |
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| 19:07.56 | dFence | Bushmills: wohooo worked ;D |
| 19:07.58 | tvynr | mimcpher: IIRC, DSA is primitive in comparison to RSA |
| 19:08.03 | mimcpher | blubberdiblub, well I'm just wondering why "some people" on "the internet" go out of their way to use DSA. |
| 19:08.10 | tvynr | mimcpher: But don't quote me. ;) |
| 19:08.22 | jelly | mimcpher: RSA was patent-protected until recently |
| 19:09.07 | SR71-Blackbird | i was wondering if how one would debug shared libraries using gdb |
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| 19:10.01 | rmwaite | very carefully |
| 19:10.39 | Zeit|awy_ | rebooting a remote server after an upgrade always gives you a very special *kick*.. |
| 19:11.45 | Zeit|awy_ | uhh.. ssh works.. |
| 19:12.24 | SPF | I'm trying to install xmlrpc, but I cannot find the apt source. Manual compilation works, but xmlrpc won't install |
| 19:12.54 | justin | SPF: you are trying to install WHAT? |
| 19:13.05 | XLV | SPF, try checkinstall, it creates deb from a source .tgz compilation |
| 19:13.48 | stew | SPF: don't use checkinstall. how did you try to install it with apt? |
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| 19:14.11 | SPF | stew: first searching xmlrpc |
| 19:14.17 | stew | SPF: ok, then what? |
| 19:14.30 | SPF | after that I installed libxmlrpc++-dev and libxmlrpc-c3 |
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| 19:14.41 | stew | SPF: and what was the problem with isntalling them? |
| 19:14.57 | SPF | xmlrpc: command not found |
| 19:15.22 | stew | SPF: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:15.37 | stew | SPF: read that and use apt-file to search for bin/xmlrpc |
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| 19:17.17 | SPF | ok |
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| 19:19.05 | SPF | stew: didn't found anything |
| 19:19.19 | ommoddonya | hi all |
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| 19:20.39 | ommoddonya | any one |
| 19:20.57 | stew | SPF: what commands did you run? |
| 19:21.07 | SPF | apt-file update |
| 19:21.16 | SPF | apt-file search xmlrpc |
| 19:21.21 | SPF | apt-file search bin/xmlrpc |
| 19:21.30 | stew | SPF: are you running debian? |
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| 19:21.34 | SPF | yes |
| 19:21.46 | lvh | SPF: apt-file? |
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| 19:21.58 | stew | lvh: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:22.15 | lvh | stew: dpkg -S? |
| 19:22.25 | lvh | stew: except also for not-installed packages, I guess |
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| 19:24.58 | stew | SPF: "apt-file search xmlrpc" found nothing? |
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| 19:26.12 | stew | SPF: it should have found lots, including the libxmlrpc-c3-dev package you need; show us your /etc/apt-sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:26.18 | SPF | stew: lots |
| 19:26.21 | samtc | hi |
| 19:26.37 | naiv | i'd want to configure squid to accept an internet connexion, but i know nothing about netmask : 85.69.17.31/255.255.0.0 is ok ? |
| 19:26.52 | Phase | I've got tvtime installed. I use an ATI TV Wonder Pro, and I have both an onboard sound card, and a regular soundcard, I have alsa set to use the correct sound card (*not the onboard one), but there is *no* sound coming from tvtime at all. Any ideas? |
| 19:27.04 | SPF | stew: http://pastebin.org/37579 |
| 19:27.16 | samtc | i've extra-low performance with SAS 10k drives... 80MB/s throughput while raid1 rebuild @ 5MB/s |
| 19:27.20 | samtc | any idea? |
| 19:27.23 | Phase | Not on the onboard card either. |
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| 19:28.24 | samtc | gratis:~# cat /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max |
| 19:28.24 | samtc | 200000 |
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| 19:29.57 | South3rn | Hi |
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| 19:30.36 | stew | SPF: it looks like /usr/bin/xmlrpc wasn't provided until 1.0 which isn't in etch. if you definately need that tool then you'd have to backport xmlrpc-c: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 19:30.59 | samtc | http://pastebin.ca/1025174 |
| 19:31.03 | adama | when I run compiz it works only on the left 40% of my left monitor, the rest is black. I have dual 1280x1024s using ati driver and xrandr |
| 19:31.33 | And1 | Hi. Anyone any ideas what's wrong here? http://pbot.rmdir.de/52dfbed847fa728c0c825d490a56ef4c |
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| 19:33.27 | SPF | stew: I have no idea how to make a backport. I could download xmlrpc-c via svn though |
| 19:33.53 | stew | dpkg: tell SPF about ssb |
| 19:34.09 | stew | And1: perhaps: /msg dpkg rtl-wifi 2.6.24 |
| 19:35.08 | And1 | stew: Thanks. |
| 19:35.22 | SPF | stew: are you suggesting that I get it from sid? |
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| 19:35.43 | stew | SPF: i'm suggesting you backport it from sid |
| 19:35.58 | quentusrex | If I want to record monthly totals of how much traffic is used by particular ports, what is a good way to do this? |
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| 19:36.30 | Phase | How do I figure out what mixing device I use /dev/something |
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| 19:36.58 | Lagbolt | stew, if you were do backport as shown by dpkg . . . what about dependencies? does it pull in the other dependencies as sources as well to be built? |
| 19:37.45 | South3rn | what package includes the necessary fonts to run the X server? |
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| 19:38.57 | benjamindees | South3rn, I want to say it's xfonts-100dpi |
| 19:38.58 | blubberdiblub | South3rn, xfonts-base, if i remember correctly. |
| 19:39.10 | South3rn | ok, let me see |
| 19:39.31 | South3rn | I don't know why my X server won't start fluxbox but I will gnome without showing the toolbar though... just weird ... |
| 19:39.41 | stew | Lagbolt: it would pull in dependencies which could be satisfied with binary packages. if there are other build-dependencies which need to be backported, those would have to be done manually. in this case, they could all be satisfied by "apt-get build-dep xmlrpc-c" on etch |
| 19:40.01 | quentusrex | If I want to record monthly totals of how much traffic is used by particular ports, what is a good way to do this? |
| 19:40.09 | Lagbolt | stew, thanks |
| 19:40.13 | South3rn | benjamindees, blubberdiblub : I've got those packages :( |
| 19:40.43 | benjamindees | South3rn, what are you trying to do? VNC? |
| 19:40.49 | nekostar | whooooooooooooo hoooo!!! dtcpanel ROCKS |
| 19:41.07 | South3rn | benjamindees: nope... get the X server to work... |
| 19:41.28 | nekostar | South3rn |
| 19:41.38 | nekostar | are you using gdm/xdm/?dm ? |
| 19:41.46 | South3rn | it's weird... I always used xdm |
| 19:41.51 | South3rn | but gdm got installed |
| 19:41.53 | nekostar | try using .xinitrc + startx |
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| 19:42.00 | South3rn | tried that :) |
| 19:42.05 | South3rn | I apt-get remove gdm |
| 19:42.07 | nekostar | then look in the then look in the errors file |
| 19:42.11 | South3rn | but it's still in /etc/init.d/ ... |
| 19:42.19 | nekostar | .xsession-errors it is |
| 19:42.20 | rmwaite | you know what would rock, if every morning my vga monitor wasnt focussing/unfocussing oncontrollably until i set the focus all the way to 100, then half way thru the day, i have to set it back to 40 |
| 19:42.26 | rmwaite | makes no damn sense whatsoever |
| 19:42.30 | nekostar | South3rn : sudo apt-get --purge remove package |
| 19:42.53 | benjamindees | South3rn, config files will be left behind unless you use --purge |
| 19:42.53 | South3rn | nekostar: it says it's not installed |
| 19:43.04 | nekostar | then you can delete the files probably... |
| 19:43.35 | nekostar | probably not in use for xdm..... |
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| 19:44.12 | South3rn | if I remove the files and type |
| 19:44.13 | South3rn | startx |
| 19:44.20 | South3rn | it runs into gnome... |
| 19:44.24 | South3rn | without the panel again |
| 19:44.36 | Lagbolt | South3rn, dpkt -P gdm |
| 19:44.41 | South3rn | can't I just delete everything related to the X server and start fresh? |
| 19:44.59 | stew | South3rn: what is your actual goal? |
| 19:45.00 | Lagbolt | South3rn, i think you should check update-alternatives |
| 19:45.03 | South3rn | Lagbolt: removed :) |
| 19:45.21 | stew | South3rn: you want to login how? and you want what running when you login? |
| 19:45.25 | Lagbolt | i think that affects startx |
| 19:46.01 | Bushmills | quentusrex: you could add dummy iptables rules |
| 19:46.12 | South3rn | stew: I want to use xdm + fluxbox :) |
| 19:46.23 | Bushmills | quentusrex: each rule records the amount of traffic passing it |
| 19:46.37 | stew | South3rn: and do you also want gnome? with or without a gnome-panel? |
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| 19:46.45 | quentusrex | Bushmills, do you know of a tutorial, or a site that describes that feature? |
| 19:46.48 | South3rn | don't give a damn about gnome :) |
| 19:46.57 | South3rn | it only takes up my little HD space |
| 19:46.58 | South3rn | btw |
| 19:47.05 | South3rn | when I type startfluxbox I get this: |
| 19:47.11 | South3rn | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::string' |
| 19:47.11 | South3rn | /home/javi/.fluxbox/startup: line 12: 12899 Abortado /usr/bin/fbsetroot -solid black |
| 19:47.14 | South3rn | Error: Couldn't connect to XServer |
| 19:47.18 | Bushmills | quentusrex: doesn;t really need a tutorial. one rule is one command. iptables -L -v lists traffic |
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| 19:47.52 | SPF | stew: Reading package lists... Error!, E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Error occurred while processing texlive-doc-uk (NewVersion1) |
| 19:48.08 | stew | SPF: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 19:48.23 | stew | South3rn: create a ~/.xsession with the line "exec startfluxbox" |
| 19:48.32 | quentusrex | Bushmills, is there way to record it by port? |
| 19:48.37 | South3rn | ok |
| 19:48.40 | Bushmills | quentusrex: sure |
| 19:48.42 | quentusrex | I want to know how much traffic is used by each individual port |
| 19:48.42 | South3rn | exec startfluxbox & |
| 19:48.44 | South3rn | ri ght? |
| 19:48.45 | quentusrex | how? |
| 19:48.57 | Bushmills | quentusrex: man iptables |
| 19:48.57 | stew | South3rn: no, you don't want the & |
| 19:49.00 | South3rn | ok |
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| 19:49.26 | South3rn | stew: fluxbox runs now :D |
| 19:49.35 | stew | South3rn: if you add the &, the 'startfluxbox' will run in the background, and continue, and it will continue to the end of .xsession and when the end of .xsession is reached, your X session is terminated |
| 19:49.44 | South3rn | :) |
| 19:49.59 | South3rn | stew: so everything's right? |
| 19:50.04 | stew | South3rn: you tell me |
| 19:50.09 | South3rn | or if I reboot or whatever I'll be back in the crap? jaja |
| 19:51.16 | South3rn | mmm, fluxbox won't open any app from the menu :S |
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| 19:52.34 | quentusrex | Bushmills, I see where I can specify the interface, but not the port number... |
| 19:52.51 | quentusrex | would I need to manually create an iptable entry for each port I want to monitor? |
| 19:52.52 | Bushmills | quentusrex: look at "examples" in man page |
| 19:53.14 | stew | South3rn: check ~/.xsession-errors for why apps from the menu aren't working |
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| 19:54.05 | South3rn | ok |
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| 19:56.54 | South3rn | stew: firefox-bin: gtk-warning can't open display connection refused by server ... ¬¬ |
| 19:57.18 | quentusrex | Bushmills, my iptables command doesn't have the multiport module.... |
| 19:57.49 | stew | South3rn: does ~/.Xauthority exist? |
| 19:58.08 | South3rn | yep |
| 19:58.16 | Bushmills | quentusrex: you don't need that. in fact, you don't want that |
| 19:58.20 | South3rn | cat: /home/javi/.XAuthority: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 19:58.25 | Bushmills | you want one rule per port. not one rule for many ports |
| 19:58.44 | South3rn | cat: .Xauthority: Permiso denegado |
| 19:58.48 | South3rn | lol |
| 19:58.51 | dimedo | is there a way to specify make's -j argument in dpkg-buildpackage somehow? it enables multiple synchronous jobs which rocks on dual cores |
| 19:58.57 | quentusrex | Bushmills, do you have an example? I'm confused... |
| 19:59.17 | stew | South3rn: it should be owned by you and chmod 600 |
| 19:59.27 | Bushmills | quentusrex: iptables -A INPUT --dport 25 |
| 19:59.38 | South3rn | cat: .Xauthority: Permiso denegado |
| 19:59.50 | stew | South3rn: what does "ls -l .Xauthority" say? |
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| 20:00.01 | stew | South3rn: err what does "ls -l ~/.Xauthority" say? |
| 20:00.29 | South3rn | javi:javi and permissions on 600 ... |
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| 20:00.43 | South3rn | I don't know why can't I `cat`it from here... :S |
| 20:01.30 | Bushmills | quentusrex: i forgot the protocol. is needed. |
| 20:01.36 | Bushmills | add -p tcp |
| 20:01.50 | stew | South3rn: you could try removing it, and restarting X (causing a new one to be created) |
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| 20:02.03 | South3rn | ok |
| 20:02.04 | South3rn | let me see |
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| 20:02.10 | stew | South3rn: i assume that "xauth list" returns an error? |
| 20:03.07 | South3rn | returns nothing... |
| 20:03.34 | South3rn | and now applications open from the menu ... :S |
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| 20:05.42 | jorgo | hello, I want to install Etch but I need a wireless USB adapter to work. the chipset of the wireless USB adapter works with the rt73 driver; googling I found it is only included in kernels 2.6.24 and later. if I install etch and then the newest kernel, will I be able to get it to work? |
| 20:07.00 | benjamindees | !tell jorgo about etchnhalf |
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| 20:07.32 | South3rn | re |
| 20:07.37 | South3rn | my system got frozen :S |
| 20:07.46 | flixil | jorgo: the short answer is yes... the long one is that there is even 2.6.24 precompiled on lenny so you can or compile it yourself or use some testing packages |
| 20:08.14 | South3rn | stew: seems like everything is working fine now but I'm not too trusty about it... |
| 20:08.20 | South3rn | I'll have to keep an eye on it hehe |
| 20:08.32 | tvn10 | I try to install fglrx with module assistant on Lenny, everything seems to work but when I run the command aticonfig --intial it gives error that there's no driver line in /etc/X11/x.org |
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| 20:09.53 | twobitwork | is there a tool for determining how badly a system is thrashing and what is causing it? |
| 20:10.07 | rahul | twobitwork: iostat might help |
| 20:10.10 | streuner | what kind of system? |
| 20:10.11 | jorgo | it should work with lenny? i don't have an alternative connection so I cannot upgrade to etch and a half, only download an .iso |
| 20:10.21 | rahul | depending on what "thrashing" means |
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| 20:10.36 | streuner | depending what you mean with system |
| 20:11.00 | twobitwork | rahul: I don't have an iostat command, and aptitude doesn't find it |
| 20:11.09 | streuner | !find iostat |
| 20:11.12 | twobitwork | rahul: well... excessive caching/swapping |
| 20:11.33 | rahul | twobitwork: it's in sysstat, I think |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iostat' (5 of 8): (/usr/bin/iostat) in admin/sysstat ;; (/usr/share/munin/plugins/iostat) in net/munin-node ;; (/usr/share/nagios3/htdocs/docs/nagiostats.html) in doc/nagios3-doc ;; (/usr/share/nagios2/htdocs/docs/nagiostats.html) in doc/nagios2-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.25/Documentation/iostats.txt.gz) in doc/linux-doc-2.6.25. |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | it is |
| 20:12.28 | twobitwork | heh |
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| 20:12.40 | jeanmi | hi |
| 20:12.41 | streuner | (/usr/bin/iostat) in admin/sysstat |
| 20:12.51 | tvn10 | !find fglrx |
| 20:12.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fglrx' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/fglrx-glx) in non-free/x11/fglrx-glx ;; (/usr/share/doc/dphys-config/examples/site.example/local/sbin/fglrx-driver) in admin/dphys-config ;; (/usr/src/fglrx.tar.bz2, /usr/share/modass/packages/fglrx-kernel-src) in non-free/x11/fglrx-kernel-src. |
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| 20:13.19 | jeanmi | is there a tool to audit my ssh keys ? |
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| 20:14.07 | stew | jeanmi: /topic |
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| 20:14.28 | plota | i installed the korn shell and started a terminal with it as my default, and the SHELL variable is /bin/bash |
| 20:14.31 | Bushmills | jeanmi: none which doesn't require reading |
| 20:15.01 | stew | plota: what do you mean by "with it as my default"? |
| 20:15.29 | plota | oh yeah, i guess that's decided at login time |
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| 20:16.08 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.19 | stew | DawnLight: aptitude install packagename |
| 20:16.43 | plota | any way to get new stuff to read my passwd entry and setup the environment for it? |
| 20:18.07 | plota | n/m i got it |
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| 20:19.21 | DawnLight | stew: it isn't in debian. i've got the module as a derectory |
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| 20:20.13 | vezult | DawnLight: /usr/lib/python2.x/site-packages/ |
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| 20:20.38 | vezult | DawnLight: or just modify your pythonpath to look wherever you want to put the module |
| 20:20.45 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 20:24.37 | h0ax[PPC] | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 20:24.41 | mimcpher | Where can I set default volumes for alsa? Or does it save levels? |
| 20:24.43 | h0ax[PPC] | i ran apt-get update |
| 20:24.45 | h0ax[PPC] | like it said |
| 20:24.53 | h0ax[PPC] | and it keeps sayingh the same thing |
| 20:24.57 | And1 | stew: dpkg doesn't say anything about 2.6.25...? |
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| 20:27.49 | stew | And1: nothing i know of in relation to that source code |
| 20:28.02 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 20:28.22 | h0ax[PPC] | i did |
| 20:28.28 | h0ax[PPC] | and it's giving me that |
| 20:28.29 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: then what is your question? |
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| 20:28.35 | h0ax[PPC] | how can i fix it |
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| 20:28.44 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: read the instructions page at backports.org |
| 20:28.50 | h0ax[PPC] | echo. |
| 20:28.52 | h0ax[PPC] | yes i did |
| 20:29.15 | lesouvage | I have "GPG error: http://ftp.nl.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" while executing aptget -s update. How should I fix this? |
| 20:29.15 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: you can fix it by following the instructions on the instructions page at backports.org |
| 20:29.44 | h0ax[PPC] | yes i read the instructions it'#s working on my other pc . |
| 20:29.46 | And1 | stew: Ah ok, thanks. |
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| 20:30.19 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: how did you import the archive key? |
| 20:30.27 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: the instructions give you two possible ways, which did you use? |
| 20:30.32 | h0ax[PPC] | first |
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| 20:30.40 | stew | actually 3 |
| 20:31.00 | stew | h0ax[PPC]: what does "apt-cache policy debian-backports-keyring | grep Installed" return? |
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| 20:31.16 | oyk`silent | I changed the ownership of all files in root to a user and a user's group. Could this be detrimental to security/operations, and if so, how can I default the permissions for system files? |
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| 20:31.48 | twobitwork | oyk`silent: "in root" ... do you mean /root, or /? |
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| 20:32.16 | oyk`silent | I mean / |
| 20:32.24 | oyk`silent | everything |
| 20:32.35 | stew | oyk`silent: what exact command did you run? |
| 20:32.37 | abrotman | it's superbad |
| 20:32.48 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: !!! |
| 20:32.49 | stew | lesouvage: try a different mirror |
| 20:32.53 | twobitwork | I don't think it can be undone |
| 20:32.54 | oyk`silent | stew... the only command that describes what I've done |
| 20:33.00 | stew | oyk`silent: what? |
| 20:33.06 | lesouvage | stew: thanks |
| 20:33.11 | oyk`silent | chown -R <user>:<group> * |
| 20:33.13 | twobitwork | oyk`silent: chown -R foo:bar / |
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| 20:33.28 | twobitwork | yeah... that's no good |
| 20:33.38 | stew | oyk`silent: you'd have to restore the permissions from a backup |
| 20:33.59 | oyk`silent | and I'm guessing debian doesnt do auto backups |
| 20:34.07 | stew | no |
| 20:34.08 | twobitwork | nope! |
| 20:34.14 | oyk`silent | awesome |
| 20:34.32 | twobitwork | debian never said it would hold your hand |
| 20:34.36 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: You've done one of the worst thing you could |
| 20:34.45 | oyk`silent | I know, it was a brainfart |
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| 20:34.57 | oyk`silent | I typod a cd into the dir I wanted to chown |
| 20:35.05 | oyk`silent | entered the command without checking |
| 20:35.33 | oyk`silent | I can fix it relatively easily though, I just have to figure out how to backup my lvm metadata... the OS itself is easy to replace |
| 20:35.37 | twobitwork | I bet you'll check next time, huh? |
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| 20:35.45 | oyk`silent | twobitwork, probably not |
| 20:35.53 | twobitwork | lol |
| 20:35.59 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: Oh, it wasn't intentional. |
| 20:36.01 | bascule | beware the power of the enter key :) |
| 20:36.11 | oyk`silent | grand_grunt, of course not |
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| 20:36.24 | grand_grunt | bascule: the power of #, you mean |
| 20:36.36 | oyk`silent | and the power of * |
| 20:36.39 | oyk`silent | and -R |
| 20:36.42 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: enter can be powerful even as a user |
| 20:36.44 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: Don't think yourself dumb |
| 20:36.47 | twobitwork | oyk`silent: those too :) |
| 20:37.11 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: I've done things dumb as root, but intentionnaly. |
| 20:37.24 | oyk`silent | so, anyone know how to backup lvm metadata... the OS itself is on a usb drive, it mounts 3 hard drives as an lvm volume for network shares |
| 20:37.41 | bascule | do not take the name of root in vain |
| 20:37.56 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: Not helpfull yo your debian, but helpfull to you self-esteem |
| 20:38.20 | oyk`silent | grand_grunt, I just ran out of that yesterday, I just want my server back up |
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| 20:39.14 | bascule | I ran mkreiserfs /dev/hda (notice the lack of number) "Of course I know what I am doing .. get it done" "Ooooooh dear!!" :) |
| 20:39.31 | grand_grunt | bascule: lol |
| 20:39.32 | amphi | heh |
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| 20:40.04 | oyk`silent | didnt reiser get arrested for killing his wife? |
| 20:40.09 | bascule | yes |
| 20:40.12 | torrrrrrrr | any one knows a firewall that can allow https based on certificate and not based on IP? |
| 20:40.12 | oyk`silent | awesome |
| 20:40.26 | twobitwork | oyk`silent: maybe google will be more helpful... cos I sure don't know how to do that |
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| 20:40.44 | oyk`silent | twobitwork, yea, I'm fishing for google hits right now |
| 20:41.12 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: I've googled it, doesn't seem to be possible. |
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| 20:42.51 | oyk`silent | grand_grunt, it is, I just swap out one usb drive with debian on it for another with a new debian install |
| 20:42.56 | oyk`silent | then restore the volumes |
| 20:43.18 | oyk`silent | I'll end up backing up the server first though |
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| 20:43.33 | oyk`silent | I need gigabit |
| 20:43.54 | oyk`silent | that's it, I'm buying gigabit switches tomorrow |
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| 20:45.28 | toor_ | how does one get the qlogic firmware to work? i have installed the firmware-qlogic and it placed i into the /lib/firmware directory....rebooted and no dice. |
| 20:45.57 | toor_ | all i get is "qla2xxx 0000:06:02.0: Failed to initialize adapter" in dmesg. |
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| 20:47.51 | rmwaite | can someone please help me install mediawiki using postgres as the backend, no matter what i try it keeps trying to install mysql stuff |
| 20:48.00 | jelly | toor_: that's the way it's supposed to be, put the firmware in place, rmmod/modprobe the driver (reboot works as well), and it works |
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| 20:50.17 | toor_ | jelly: i thought so. |
| 20:50.28 | jelly | toor_: have you tried it? |
| 20:50.33 | toor_ | jelly: yes |
| 20:50.40 | toor_ | jelly: just rebooted. |
| 20:50.52 | jelly | toor_: not the reboot thing, rmmod and modprobe |
| 20:50.58 | toor_ | jelly: no |
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| 20:55.16 | toor_ | jelly: hold on a sec.... |
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| 20:56.40 | toor_ | jelly: wow....jelly is the man. |
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| 20:57.01 | toor_ | jelly: whats the difference between rmmod / insmod and rebooting? |
| 20:57.43 | toor_ | jelly: i would have literally jumped off the 50th floor of the FNB building in omaha if u hadnt helped. |
| 20:57.45 | jelly | toor_: ah. so you need to update the initramfs image. after reboot, hardware is detected and drivers loaded in initramfs, and yours doesn't contain the firmware yet |
| 20:58.14 | toor_ | jelly: damn the initramfs. |
| 20:58.22 | jelly | darn it all to heck! |
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| 20:59.09 | toor_ | jelly: so does the initramfs gets generated automagically upno reboot or is that something i need to manually? |
| 20:59.30 | jelly | it's usually regerenated when the kernel is upgraded/installed |
| 21:00.06 | jelly | toor_: man update-initramfs, I guess |
| 21:00.23 | stew | toor_: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" would regenerate it |
| 21:00.39 | toor_ | i was just going ot ask that. |
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| 21:02.43 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-93278.html someone did it before you. Search for "chmod undo" in google, if not done |
| 21:03.05 | toor_ | thanks a million guys. |
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| 21:03.50 | stew | grand_grunt: except that's not what he did |
| 21:04.27 | Deezire | what package do i need to install tcl on my system? |
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| 21:04.39 | grand_grunt | stew: Yes, it only gives a tool to automatic chmod user directory. Maybe usable on his server, no? |
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| 21:05.07 | stew | grand_grunt: he didn't chmod anything |
| 21:05.32 | stew | Deezire: tcl |
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| 21:05.58 | Sebboh | Hi. Suppose I have a shell script, foo. And some other shell script or or python script or bin calls it. Can I find out who calls it? 'Cause, they aren't passing the right arguments! :) |
| 21:06.45 | Deezire | I get something about referred to another package, but not what package, stew. |
| 21:06.56 | stew | Deezire: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:07.00 | grand_grunt | stew: He chowned. Excuse |
| 21:07.16 | Sebboh | I have added echo ${BASH_ARGV[@]} >> /root/mylog.log to the top of the script in question, and it helped a bit. But I can't figure out who is calling it.. |
| 21:07.19 | cusco_ | Sebboh: I supose you can make the script use the "whoami" tool and echo it to some file.log |
| 21:07.44 | cusco_ | echo $(whoami) >> some.log |
| 21:07.55 | Deezire | stew: http://rafb.net/p/TlqZp952.html |
| 21:08.03 | Sebboh | cusco_, sorry, I know the user, I want to know what binary file or script is executing the foo script.. |
| 21:08.06 | stew | Sebboh: $$ is the pid of your shell process, so "ps -O%P $$" would give you the ppid, which you could use to see what process called you |
| 21:08.11 | cusco_ | ahhh |
| 21:08.20 | cusco_ | Sebboh: that would be $1 and $2 |
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| 21:08.39 | cusco_ | the 1st argument and the 2nd argument pased |
| 21:09.08 | stew | Deezire: oh sorry, the tcl package isn't in etch, install one of tcl8.2 tcl8.3 tcl8.4 etc, "apt-cache search -n ^tcl" |
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| 21:09.43 | Deezire | Thanks! :) |
| 21:09.49 | grand_grunt | oyk`silent: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-do-i-undo-last-command-executed-140934/ |
| 21:10.35 | Sebboh | cusco_, the bash_argv includes that.. Stew, uh, hm, I have the pid logged, yes, uh, hm, I don't know what those ps options you suggest do, I'll look at that and try it. :) |
| 21:10.59 | Sebboh | ppid, oh, that's parent pid, huh! |
| 21:11.06 | Sebboh | ? :) |
| 21:11.12 | stew | Sebboh: ps $(ps oppid $$ | grep '^[0-9]') |
| 21:11.30 | stew | Sebboh: yeah, ppid is parent pid, the pid of the process that started this process |
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| 21:12.08 | Sebboh | danke |
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| 21:15.45 | Snadder | Anyone know why I cant play an video with adpcm_ima_qt sound in mplayer version 1:1.0.rc2svn20071207-0.3.. but it works to play it in ffplay ? |
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| 21:16.03 | Snadder | the mplayer I have now.. is from debian lenny's www.debian-multimedia.org mirror |
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| 21:17.28 | aixenv | i have a server that's trying to fsck on boot and i need it to bypass that...ill do it at a later time.. how to do so? |
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| 21:19.47 | stew | aixenv: you can do that with a flag to shutdown(8) |
| 21:20.21 | stew | aixenv: and if that doesn't work, you can change the 6th column in fstab(5) |
| 21:20.31 | aixenv | currently the server is trying to fsck a partition, someone ^C'd that, and it hangs on syslog start.. |
| 21:21.04 | aixenv | this right? shutdown -f -r now would work? |
| 21:21.14 | stew | aixenv: it should |
| 21:21.22 | aixenv | k ty stew testing |
| 21:21.48 | stew | aixenv: that is at least a hint. i don't know if possibly init is smart enough to ignore that hint |
| 21:22.11 | aixenv | gotcha |
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| 21:26.58 | madk | hey folks. i have a big problem over here. my /var partition is completely full: /var/log/syslog is 36G big!! why is that so, what can i do against it? |
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| 21:29.27 | stew | madk: does it contain entries older than today? |
| 21:30.23 | madk | stew i dont think so. i just opened it with vim (took some tim). i saw some entrys containing information about my printer. |
| 21:30.24 | stew | madk: for instance, does "head -1 /var/log/syslog" show a date that is today? or older than today? |
| 21:30.29 | puff`` | madk: Well, quick and dirty step one is mv some of the archived logs off to a different partition, start with smaller files see what happens. It might be that some process is filling up syslog and will suck up the extra space before you can do anything. |
| 21:31.33 | madk | stew, puff``: wahhh i just cleared the syslog with echo "">syslog and now it growth about 30 MB/s... |
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| 21:31.42 | stew | madk: is there a line or set of lines that is repeated constantly? if so, can you show us? ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 21:32.45 | madk | stew, http://pastebin.ca/1025304 |
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| 21:32.58 | madk | stew, it repeats constantly... |
| 21:33.18 | madk | the file is now >1Gb |
| 21:33.30 | plota | you guys should set up a debian-specific paste channel, stuff like lynx can't even use paste-sites without a bunch of errors |
| 21:33.38 | puff`` | Just guessing here, but I'd say you have a print server process that's out of control. |
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| 21:33.58 | zarnozC | Can a normal user chmod? |
| 21:34.01 | dejanpan | hi *, does anybody have experience with tuxonice hib. module getting done (on sid, 2.6.24.5 kernel)? |
| 21:34.05 | zarnozC | You need root rigth? |
| 21:34.06 | puff`` | zarnozC: His own files, sure. |
| 21:34.16 | stew | plota: one can upload to http://paste.debian.net or http://pastebin.ca/upload.php with lynx, or /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 21:34.25 | zarnozC | puff``: For real? |
| 21:34.25 | plota | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.29 | puff`` | zarnozC: Sure. |
| 21:34.36 | puff`` | zarnozC: Maybe yhoure thinking of chown, not chmod. |
| 21:34.38 | zarnozC | That is a security risk!! |
| 21:34.38 | aixenv | sigh.. stew: it forced fsck.. so we elected to just let it run and hope it fixes whatever the problem is |
| 21:34.50 | zarnozC | Then they can run malicious software!! |
| 21:35.06 | madk | puff``, so i restart cups? |
| 21:35.15 | enouf | plota: there's also /msg dpkg paste2pastebin pipe |
| 21:35.15 | puff`` | madk: Might be worth a shot. |
| 21:35.26 | plota | hey not bad |
| 21:35.31 | puff`` | madk: I haven't worked with cups much, if it has a UI to let you review jobs and kill them, that might be best. |
| 21:35.46 | stew | plota: there is #flood for this purpose. the problem with flood is that invariably someone else will want to see the output again who missed it the first time |
| 21:36.02 | plota | yeah, i was thinking it'd be clobbered by more than one channel |
| 21:36.44 | madk | puff``, anyway, i think a error like that shouldnt happen. this really could screw up your system if you havnt a seperat partition on which /var resists. |
| 21:36.54 | puff`` | Yeah. |
| 21:36.55 | madk | restarting cups did it. |
| 21:37.06 | madk | would you call this a bug? |
| 21:37.11 | Deezire | stew: Still having problems getting libtcl in. |
| 21:37.14 | stew | !pastewithoutx is also ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 21:37.15 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 21:37.21 | stew | Deezire: what problems? |
| 21:38.28 | enouf | madk: if it's reproducible, then perhaps yes |
| 21:39.08 | puff`` | madk: I generally kind of agree, but pretty much all systems and OSes do not handle running out of disk space gracefully. |
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| 21:39.12 | madk | enouf, ohm... wait a sec. |
| 21:39.13 | Deezire | stew: Never mind, il just google my way through it :) |
| 21:39.21 | puff`` | madk: I've had the exact same reaction in the past, and the response I got was a blank stare :-) |
| 21:39.29 | enouf | madk: i don't know anything about cups, but was it perhaps a print /var/spool process that ran wild? |
| 21:39.47 | puff`` | madk: The general assumption is that you have to be proactive about keeping up on things, but of course if something goes disastrously wrong... |
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| 21:41.07 | puff`` | madk: One thought is to use multiple specialized servers (or these days, virtualization via xen) and then assign different virtual servers different duties, because a) it's the interaction among different services and applications that creates most security vulnerabilities (c.f. wietse venema's 1997 paper) and b) if one service freaks out, it doesn't take down the others. |
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| 21:41.28 | puff`` | madk: User Mode Linux is another take on the same idea. |
| 21:41.34 | madk | puff``, the file grew up to 36 Gb in less then 2 hours... this is so weird. i only noticed because aptitude told my about too less space left on a partition.... |
| 21:41.41 | puff`` | Yeah. |
| 21:42.10 | puff`` | Right now, I'm personally dealing with *two* boxes (one debian, one ubuntu) that both had drive failures, one on friday, one on mondy. |
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| 21:42.27 | puff`` | My personal ubuntu workstation (thinkpad) and my debian server. |
| 21:42.45 | madk | enouf, i tried to reproduce, but didnt work. i can not say if it was a /var/spool process. if you mean the file, it was /var/log/syslog. |
| 21:42.58 | puff`` | I patched both for the ssl exploit on friday afternoon, the laptop drive died a couple hours later.... the timing makes me very suspicious, but it could be coincidence. |
| 21:43.24 | madk | puff``, this is really bad. |
| 21:44.22 | madk | puff``, i have almost all my data on notebook and desktop. but if both drives die, it would be pretty bad |
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| 21:44.58 | whizz | madk: probably a coincidence |
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| 21:45.20 | whizz | my intertubes are slow :( |
| 21:45.29 | madk | enouf, oh, i can reproduce the error. but not in the same speed. i still get the error-msg which fills syslog, but not that fast it was before. |
| 21:45.30 | enouf | madk: ok, i need to step off of this one after i saw your pastebin, i mean; possibly some hp specific software pkgs? I've heard of some CD/DVD Drive vendor software running amuck, constantly creating this huge log file (within minutes) of say; "Drive not ready.." over and over .. |
| 21:45.51 | whizz | I'm trying to work on a remote-remote-remote connection, which should be fast enough :( |
| 21:45.54 | abrotman | sometimes DMA issues |
| 21:46.29 | karsten | hands whizz the remote |
| 21:46.38 | whizz | thanks |
| 21:47.06 | Deezire | whizz: Been there, done that. |
| 21:47.16 | karsten | puff``: Possibly something in your environment? Dust, magnets, iron filings? |
| 21:47.32 | abrotman | water? |
| 21:47.47 | Deezire | Norway -> Singapore -> 3g link -> laptop -> vnc to server -> vnc to server |
| 21:47.50 | karsten | abrotman: rock |
| 21:47.51 | whizz | Deezire: also on a 20KB/sec internet connection? It's a hell, ls -al is taking 5 seconds |
| 21:47.57 | abrotman | karsten: scissors? |
| 21:48.10 | karsten | abrotman: I win! |
| 21:48.14 | abrotman | grr |
| 21:48.23 | madk | enouf, what i did was the following: i want to print a pdf. but the printer has error (empty cartridge). i didnt know that before and switched printer off and on again. gave the printjob again and again. nothing happend at the printer. but the /var/log/syslog filled with the error on pastebin. |
| 21:48.28 | whizz | Deezire: while it's an 16 core (quad quad-xeon) :( |
| 21:48.45 | Deezire | Funneh! :p |
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| 21:49.29 | rameel | hi im running testing, how do i fix this apt-get error ? http://pastebin.com/m6ba053f3 |
| 21:49.45 | enouf | madk: i see, yeah, sounds like that particular scenario is not handled gracefully, nor tested thoroughly |
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| 21:50.26 | madk | enouf, so what to do? |
| 21:50.32 | enouf | madk: i also have no idea which specific pkg would be responsible to file a bug against |
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| 21:51.18 | enouf | maybe others can chime in ... or atleast search the BTS in the meantme |
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| 21:51.52 | madk | BTS? |
| 21:51.55 | madk | !bts |
| 21:51.55 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 21:55.33 | Pinaraf | hi |
| 21:55.35 | dustybin | what is the difference between shadow and pam ? |
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| 21:56.04 | Pinaraf | is it planned to enable custom DSDT support in debian kernels (so without having to recompile the kernel to apply a custom DSDT) ? |
| 21:56.29 | Pinaraf | dustybin: pam is pluggable authentication modules, it's a really advanced system |
| 21:57.00 | dustybin | what is shadow? |
| 21:57.04 | Pinaraf | using pam, you can say that your passwords are hashed in the shadow file, but they could also be stored in a postgreSQL database or a kerberos5 server... |
| 21:57.18 | dustybin | ok |
| 21:57.29 | Pinaraf | well, there is /etc/shadow : it contains hashes of the local users password |
| 21:57.33 | Pinaraf | passwords* |
| 21:57.48 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 21:58.03 | dustybin | basically, SASL can auth against, pam, shadow |
| 21:58.06 | dustybin | ldapd |
| 21:58.10 | dustybin | and other stuff |
| 21:58.27 | dustybin | to make SASL auth against users on my box, do i use pam or shadow ? |
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| 21:59.08 | Pinaraf | both will work |
| 21:59.31 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 21:59.44 | dustybin | when i connect to postfix port 25 from a remote location |
| 21:59.55 | dustybin | it is set to use SASL as the auth |
| 22:00.02 | dustybin | and SASL is set to pam and shadow |
| 22:00.27 | puff`` | karsten: Completely different environments. Server's in a data center, laptop was on my desk. |
| 22:00.44 | dustybin | its using plain text, but it cannot auth, im trying to figure out why |
| 22:00.58 | puff`` | karsten: Though they are only about a mile apart, and there's been a lot of pollen in the air. |
| 22:01.30 | dustybin | sneezes |
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| 22:02.22 | karsten | puff``: Ok. Synchronicity happens, but it raises suspicions. |
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| 22:02.32 | karsten | puff``: Zinc whiskers, f'rex. |
| 22:03.00 | jelly | dustybin: does saslauthd, by itself, work? |
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| 22:03.39 | karsten | dustybin: shadow is a password configuration in which the hashed passwords are kept in a seperate, root:shadow readably-only file, rather than in /etc/passwd, where they can be read by any user and cracking attempted. |
| 22:03.45 | jelly | dustybin: (sasl2-bin, /usr/bin/testsaslauthd) |
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| 22:04.12 | karsten | dustybin: PAM is a general security architecture by which library modules are referenced and numerous tools/facilities can be configured in one spot. |
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| 22:04.40 | lionel2 | hello |
| 22:04.49 | lionel2 | i have à problem whith amavis |
| 22:04.52 | karsten | dustybin: They're both related to security, other than that, they're not particularly either/or concepts. |
| 22:05.05 | karsten | lionel2: Ask your question / describe your problem. |
| 22:05.13 | lionel2 | how i can load antispam code for amavis |
| 22:05.41 | karsten | lionel2: You've read the relevant documentation? |
| 22:05.45 | lionel2 | my debug info :http://pastebin.ca/1025324 |
| 22:06.09 | lionel2 | karsten: yes i have read domumentation |
| 22:06.12 | madk | can i see the repository from which i would install a specific package? |
| 22:06.20 | stew | madk: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 22:07.23 | ma3x | my adsl isp disconnects customers every 6 hours! to update their ip. is that normal? |
| 22:07.29 | lionel2 | karsten: i know it's spamassassin's perl librarie for amavis but i thing i'haven't this |
| 22:07.38 | madk | stew, if there are two versions? the greater version-number will be installed, wont it? |
| 22:07.41 | karsten | lionel2: Just from the package description, my understanding is that amavisd-new doesn't provide AV capabilities itself, but an interface to a virus scanner (say, clamav), which you'd update through freshclam. |
| 22:07.44 | whizz | ma3x: not in the Netherlands :P |
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| 22:08.16 | stew | madk: usually. apt-cache policy will also tell you exactly which version it would install |
| 22:08.19 | AwesomeGuy | I has a kernel panic O.o |
| 22:08.22 | AwesomeGuy | * had |
| 22:08.31 | karsten | lionel2: Note sure about your decoder error messages. I'd check an amavisd discuss. |
| 22:08.32 | AwesomeGuy | something about not snycing something |
| 22:08.35 | jelly | lionel2: have you installed spamassassin and read /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new/README.Debian? |
| 22:08.39 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Give it demerol. |
| 22:08.55 | AwesomeGuy | well it's fine now but why did it happen |
| 22:08.56 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: On boot? |
| 22:09.01 | AwesomeGuy | ya, on boot |
| 22:09.14 | madk | stew, thanks |
| 22:09.16 | AwesomeGuy | I turned off the laptop and turned it back on now it's fine |
| 22:09.26 | puff`` | karsten: zinc whiskers? |
| 22:09.31 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: "kernel panic, not syncing" usually means something *else* went wrong, and that your filesystem(s) either weren't mounted, or were in a highly borked state. |
| 22:09.47 | AwesomeGuy | well it's working now |
| 22:09.48 | puff`` | karsten: Well, like I said, the only really common element is a) the timing and b) that I updated the ssl libraries. |
| 22:10.03 | karsten | puff``: Google it. I'm not sure if they're for real or a wive's tale, but they're blamed for mysterious equipment failures. |
| 22:10.07 | AwesomeGuy | and I think there was sommin about an interrupt in there |
| 22:10.11 | karsten | puff``: ... and you. |
| 22:10.24 | karsten | puff``: Remember: there's one common element in all your failed relationships. |
| 22:10.26 | puff`` | karsten: The debian box was etch, and a bit behind in updating. The ubuntu box was up-to-date gutsy. |
| 22:10.31 | puff`` | karsten: Yeah, women :-). |
| 22:10.37 | karsten | puff``: Heh. |
| 22:10.55 | dustybin | jelly: karsten its ok after all, im using a special script to create the password hash for sasl plain, i telnet into port 25, and i managed to login successfully and send a mail |
| 22:11.02 | ma3x | whizz: isp advertises 24/7 adsl. you think I can break contract with them based on 4-6 times disconnections per day? |
| 22:11.20 | AwesomeGuy | why does radio interference come from my laptop? |
| 22:11.22 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Anyhow: likely you had a boot config issue w/ GRUB. *Maybe* somethign borked on boot/load. If you see it again, you want to get the lines *before* the "kernel panic", which is hard unless you're set up w/ serial console and have a system you can catch debug output on. |
| 22:11.29 | whizz | ma3x: how long have you had this connection? |
| 22:11.35 | AwesomeGuy | even when my wifi card isn't plugged in |
| 22:11.40 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Any oscilating electric field generates RF. |
| 22:11.55 | whizz | ma3x: or since when are they doing this? |
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| 22:12.20 | puff`` | karsten: REading up on whiskers now. Wacky., |
| 22:12.22 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Your laptop is (from one perspective) a vast assembly of very small (but sometimes powerful) radio transmitters. Google "van Eck Phreaking" for fun and joy some time. |
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| 22:12.27 | ma3x | whizz: i have a 12 months contract, they are doing it every day!! they disconnect me for short time but 4-6 times per day |
| 22:12.56 | whizz | ma3x: but did you just take the contract, or do you already have it for like a month |
| 22:13.00 | whizz | ? |
| 22:13.03 | karsten | puff``: http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2004-Brusse-Zn-whisker-IT-Pro.pdf |
| 22:13.08 | puff`` | AwesomeGuy: Just about any electrical activity causes radio interference. |
| 22:13.08 | ma3x | whizz: i have it since 3 months. it's my fourth month now |
| 22:13.31 | puff`` | AwesomeGuy: The question is how much, how strong, and how much of it is blocked by surrounding material (see "Faraday Cage") |
| 22:13.35 | jelly | lionel2: well, nevermind spamassassin, I see you have dspam instead |
| 22:13.36 | AwesomeGuy | then wouldn't the radio interfere with itself? |
| 22:13.52 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: That's why radio engineers get paid the big bucks. |
| 22:13.54 | whizz | ma3x: I don't think you can do much about it then |
| 22:14.17 | whizz | maybe you can call them, and explain why you are not satisfied with their services |
| 22:14.25 | puff`` | AwesomeGuy: It can. That's why we have the FCC in the US (and similar organizations in other countries). |
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| 22:14.43 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: The goal in designing a radio is to capture and amplify the desired signal, and filter out anything else. The rest of that lesson will set you back $40k - $100k and take four years. |
| 22:14.53 | ma3x | whizz: if i break the contract they want me to pay them the regular amount of money up until the end of the contract (8 months for nothing at the price like just if I was still using their services) |
| 22:15.05 | puff`` | ma3x: When you say "disconnect", what do you mean? |
| 22:15.08 | jelly | ma3x: we disconnect once daily. I'd say 4-6 times is a bit excessive |
| 22:15.15 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking |
| 22:15.37 | AwesomeGuy | the fcc is bad, they make it illegal to broadcast your own radio stuff without permission, the air waves should be public property, unless iyou interfere with another station |
| 22:15.39 | ma3x | puff``: they disconnect you shortly to renew your ip (they told me they do this for security measures) |
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| 22:15.56 | puff`` | ma3x: How shortly? |
| 22:16.03 | FrankTheTank | how do i give a user sftp ability so their permission isnt denied? |
| 22:16.10 | ma3x | puff``: 20-30 secs |
| 22:16.14 | whizz | ma3x: does the contract state anything about being up exactly 24 hours a day? |
| 22:16.30 | puff`` | ma3x: Okay, next question is, why does this bother you? |
| 22:16.33 | ma3x | whizz: no, but they don't mention about disconnecting you 4 times a day either |
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| 22:17.10 | puff`` | ma3x: That's not a challenge, btw, I'm asking because I'm trying to understand your problem. |
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| 22:17.43 | FrankTheTank | help please? |
| 22:17.53 | ma3x | whizz: ok - let's say you download demo of a gemo which is 1,2 GB..... transfer interrupts, you have to start from the beginning (most sites won't provide the direct url for the file, so you can't use wget to resume) |
| 22:17.59 | puff`` | AwesomeGuy: THe airwaves *are* public property, and are therefore regulated by a government organization, the FCC. I have criticisms of the FCC, but that's not one of them. |
| 22:18.07 | ma3x | puff i answered to whizz |
| 22:18.08 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Off topic. |
| 22:18.26 | karsten | puff``: ^^ |
| 22:18.36 | puff`` | karsten: Point taken. |
| 22:18.41 | AwesomeGuy | without offtopic discussion a channel is boring and unlively |
| 22:18.45 | petemc | FrankTheTank: what does so "so their permission isnt denied" mean? |
| 22:18.50 | ma3x | jelly: if you'd disconnect your customer 4 times a day, and you receive calls complaining about it, would you refund? |
| 22:18.59 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: /join ##debian-offtopic |
| 22:19.14 | puff`` | FrankTheTank: I don't know sftp, but your question is ambiguous and leaves out much detail. Please rephrase with greater detail. |
| 22:19.18 | jelly | ma3x: I'm not in customer relations, no idea |
| 22:19.22 | FrankTheTank | sftp> put x, then i got upload x to x, then Couldn't get handle: Permission denied |
| 22:19.35 | puff`` | FrankTheTank: Do you mean allow somebody else to sftp _into_ your server, or do you mean allow a user on your server to sftp _out_ to another server? |
| 22:19.49 | FrankTheTank | im sftping into my remote server from my computer |
| 22:19.53 | ma3x | whizz: demo of a game* - example: call of duty 4 is about 1,5 gigabytes and most mirrors won't provide a direct url for the file, but rather http://site.com/EGIW32947 |
| 22:19.54 | karsten | FrankTheTank: Sounds like filesystem perms there. |
| 22:19.56 | FrankTheTank | on the account i use for ssh |
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| 22:20.06 | puff`` | FrankTheTank: Are you sure you're using the right path? |
| 22:20.08 | FrankTheTank | chmod the remote folder to 775? |
| 22:20.09 | FrankTheTank | yes |
| 22:20.13 | karsten | FrankTheTank: Who owns the directory, group, and mode? |
| 22:20.17 | ma3x | jelly: is that in germany (one disconnection every 24 hours?) |
| 22:20.24 | whizz | ma3x: I see your point |
| 22:20.25 | FrankTheTank | how do i check in ssh? |
| 22:20.29 | jelly | ma3x: nope, I'm in Croatia |
| 22:20.36 | whizz | but I don't know what you can do about it really |
| 22:20.37 | ma3x | jelly: t-home? |
| 22:20.37 | karsten | FrankTheTank: 'ls -ld <directory>' |
| 22:20.51 | jelly | ma3x: fwiw, the 24hr cycle is done mostly for billing reasons |
| 22:20.57 | FrankTheTank | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 May 20 22:54 |
| 22:21.04 | karsten | FrankTheTank: That'd do it. |
| 22:21.08 | ma3x | jelly: what isp is there? |
| 22:21.14 | FrankTheTank | chmod +x folder? |
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| 22:21.30 | ma3x | jelly: here they stated over the phone: ip team security regulations |
| 22:21.41 | karsten | FrankTheTank: Should be owned by the user, or have group perms that the user belongs to, and be 770 or better (775, I strongly discourage 777). |
| 22:21.42 | whizz | ma3x: in the Netherlands you get a static ip with your connection |
| 22:21.46 | karsten | FrankTheTank: chown. |
| 22:21.50 | whizz | I'm running a server at home :P |
| 22:22.00 | FrankTheTank | ok |
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| 22:22.03 | ma3x | whizz: yeah you got 100 mbps probably over there |
| 22:22.05 | jelly | ma3x: if that's the exact wording, I'd regard it as bullshit |
| 22:22.17 | whizz | 20 at home, gigabit at uni |
| 22:22.30 | ma3x | jelly: how would you translate that? afraid of DoS? |
| 22:22.56 | karsten | FrankTheTank: 1777 is another option (check your /tmp perms). In this case though you want to keep things restricted to at least a subset of your users. I'd have an 'sftp' group and add users to that, say chown root.sftp; chmod 1770. |
| 22:23.12 | jelly | ma3x: ask them, I've no idea what that means |
| 22:23.12 | ma3x | whizz: do they really give you 20 at home or something like 6-10? |
| 22:23.16 | karsten | FrankTheTank: Not running an sftp server I'm not sure if that's common practice, but it's how i lean. |
| 22:23.21 | whizz | ma3x: I don't really see the point of changing IP-adresses every now and then |
| 22:23.26 | whizz | ma3x: sth like 12 |
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| 22:23.41 | FrankTheTank | i got it now, thanks |
| 22:23.51 | whizz | ma3x: depending on the distance to the main-connection |
| 22:24.36 | whizz | ma3x: but at the moment it's really slow |
| 22:24.44 | karsten | FrankTheTank: That should alow any member of the sftp group to write to the directory. Otherwise, you would create user-specific subdirs. |
| 22:24.50 | whizz | maybe one of my housemates is downloading |
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| 22:26.45 | ma3x | whizz: check your router |
| 22:27.15 | whizz | I did, but our gigabit router just died, so maybe this one can't cope with many connections |
| 22:27.25 | whizz | we'll buy a new one anyway |
| 22:27.41 | whizz | (on 100mbit now) |
| 22:28.15 | whizz | anyways, I'm going to catch some sleep :) |
| 22:28.17 | whizz | nn |
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| 22:32.15 | krzychu | folks, I have apache2 with mod_rewrite enabled, but somehow it seems that the enabled module isn't working |
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| 22:32.44 | krzychu | mod_rewrite just ignoring my rules :/ |
| 22:33.14 | krzychu | anyone is using mod_rewrite installed with aptitude ? |
| 22:33.44 | krzychu | and enabled with 'a2enmod rewrite' :) |
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| 22:36.06 | phorce1 | does dpkg have a factiod about forcing static nameservers for a dhcp interface? |
| 22:36.07 | reZo | would anyone happen to know how i could find out grub boot resolutions? |
| 22:36.14 | reZo | along with there codes? |
| 22:37.02 | phorce1 | s/factiod/factoid/ |
| 22:37.05 | ben_ye | reZo: http://linuxwiki.de/GRUB#head-355bb77b087f8a6b86dbd74c2f160de8d078a9f9 |
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| 22:37.18 | lesouvage | I just did a svn checkout of Asterisk and there is no res/res_features.c available in the res/ dir. What happens to res_feautures.c? I used the instruction on http://www.asterisk.org/developers/get-source |
| 22:38.32 | karsten | krzychu: restart/reload apache? |
| 22:39.02 | karsten | lesouvage: Unless that's a Debian package, that's not really topical here, find an Asterisk channel for help compiling from source. |
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| 22:39.37 | lesouvage | karsten: sorry, wrong channel |
| 22:40.10 | lesouvage | karsten: thanks for let me know |
| 22:40.14 | streuner | no |
| 22:40.17 | karsten | lesouvage: NP. |
| 22:40.23 | streuner | that bitch is hard to compile |
| 22:40.30 | streuner | you need experience too... |
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| 22:40.33 | _apk | hi! |
| 22:40.45 | _apk | whatever command I write I get this orrible erro: |
| 22:40.51 | _apk | s/erro/error |
| 22:40.52 | _apk | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed! |
| 22:41.11 | streuner | basically i would use the package out of debian and compile with newer source |
| 22:41.18 | _apk | I'm using debian etch fully upgraded...can anyone point me out to where can I ask for help, please? :) |
| 22:41.24 | karsten | _apk: Sounds like a bad lib, or bad RAM. What's Google have to say? |
| 22:41.32 | lionel2 | jelly: after read correctely the readme.debian he work correctely , thank you! |
| 22:42.44 | grand_grunt | What's the best way to use a i386 package on AMD64? |
| 22:43.24 | _apk | thank you karsten...looking on google didn't the job |
| 22:43.38 | karsten | grand_grunt: There's a set of 32-bit compatibility libraries. You may need to install one or more of those. |
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| 22:43.45 | _apk | I think that is a RAM related problem...I have to open a ticket to my hosting provider |
| 22:43.46 | aadsf3 | help |
| 22:43.59 | karsten | _apk: Do you have 'sash' installed? Stand-alone shell, should be statically linked, I think... |
| 22:44.08 | aadsf3 | I ran rkhunter, and this is what I got: http://pastebin.ca/1025366 |
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| 22:44.13 | aadsf3 | I think I have been compromised |
| 22:44.15 | streuner | _apk: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:44.34 | streuner | reinstall |
| 22:44.45 | aadsf3 | I was running debian sid, and didn't update for like 3 or 5 weeks |
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| 22:45.04 | aadsf3 | Today i tried to connect to undernet (irc) |
| 22:45.07 | aadsf3 | then I got to many connections from my host |
| 22:45.14 | karsten | aadsf3: rkhunter invocation options? |
| 22:45.31 | aadsf3 | karrotx, rkhunter -c i did invoke that |
| 22:45.37 | aadsf3 | or karsten |
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| 22:45.47 | aadsf3 | chrkootkit doesn't find anything |
| 22:45.48 | karsten | aadsf3: He's used to it. Not happy, but used to it... |
| 22:45.59 | aadsf3 | so have I been compromised? |
| 22:46.38 | aadsf3 | i have a new account on my system |
| 22:46.40 | aadsf3 | called 'guest' |
| 22:46.44 | karsten | aadsf3: Not sure. RTFM for starters. I'm installing rkhunter. |
| 22:46.45 | aadsf3 | but I can't remember me adding it |
| 22:46.49 | karsten | aadsf3: Did you create it? |
| 22:47.09 | karsten | aadsf3: What are timestamps on the home directory / contents? Where's the UID in relation to others? |
| 22:47.09 | aadsf3 | you can install rkhunter by using apt-get doh |
| 22:47.09 | aadsf3 | damn i thought I was talking to someone with knowledge |
| 22:47.30 | aadsf3 | the .bash_history is gone |
| 22:47.31 | karsten | aadsf3: I'm installing it now, to try to answer your question. Show some patience and gratitude. |
| 22:47.47 | aadsf3 | ok be a bit more polite in the future |
| 22:48.03 | streuner | heh |
| 22:48.04 | aadsf3 | it has an hidden file in /home/guest |
| 22:48.10 | aadsf3 | called .arji |
| 22:48.14 | _apk | streuner, karsten...whatever command I wrote I get that error!!! |
| 22:48.21 | grand_grunt | karsten: thx |
| 22:48.34 | _apk | I'm connected throw ssh and I can do nothing with that damn shell |
| 22:48.41 | streuner | _apk: do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 22:49.00 | _apk | is a VPS not my own server :/ |
| 22:49.07 | karsten | aadsf3: The problem with a lot of security scanning tools is sorting out the false-positives. |
| 22:49.29 | karsten | aadsf3: A decent test is to note changes on a previously known-good system. So what you're describing aren't good signs. |
| 22:49.39 | streuner | _apk: could be a FS or HD issue |
| 22:49.54 | karsten | aadsf3: You can check package integrity via debsums. You should do this from known-good media. |
| 22:50.09 | aadsf3 | karsten, i did last guest, I got two different IP's and tried to do ip2host to see where they came from, but the website said, hostname couldn't be found. |
| 22:50.11 | karsten | aadsf3: ... eg: a second installation, or bootable media (eg: cdrom distro). |
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| 22:50.42 | karsten | aadsf3: Nonresolving IPs are common. 'whois' and 'mtr' (matt's traceroute) are good tools. |
| 22:52.00 | _apk | ok thank you streuner! I've filled a ticket with my german hosting. Thank you again! |
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| 22:52.23 | karsten | aadsf3: Gotta split. Check /var/log/rkhunter.log, and read the rkhunter docs paying attention to false-positives. There's also chkrootkit. Your own system logs are another good source of information, particularly if you find blanks, missing files, zero'd files, or other inconsistencies. |
| 22:52.44 | aadsf3 | karrotx, chrktootkit doesn't find anything |
| 22:53.32 | krzychu | karsten, ok, got it, thanks :) |
| 22:53.40 | karsten | aadsf3: 'rkhunter --update' should update rkhunter's data file, try that and re-run rkhunter. |
| 22:53.42 | grand_grunt | karsten: --force-architecture :p |
| 22:53.46 | karsten | aadsf3: Really got to split. |
| 22:54.07 | karsten | grand_grunt: Cool. |
| 22:54.38 | aadsf3 | no updates karrotx |
| 22:54.41 | aadsf3 | karsten, |
| 22:54.42 | dutchfish | anyway got dri working on amd64 for releatively new ati cards and could help me out? |
| 22:55.01 | karsten | aadsf3: Post your rkhunter log to pastebin, I'll look when I get back. |
| 22:55.04 | karsten | really splits. |
| 22:55.28 | aadsf3 | ok l |
| 22:55.29 | aadsf3 | bye |
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| 22:58.32 | grand_grunt | karsten: The package I've forced is seeking for a lib' I already got |
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| 23:05.31 | dutchfish | this is my xorg log and at the bottom lspci, and change to get dri working? http://pastebin.com/d20685539 |
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| 23:05.58 | dutchfish | this is my xorg log and at the bottom lspci, and change to get dri working? http://pastebin.com/d20685539 |
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| 23:08.58 | Juventino | how can i check if glx is working or not? |
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| 23:09.28 | lagbolt | Juventino, glxinfo |
| 23:09.40 | dutchfish | Juventino: or glxgears |
| 23:09.56 | Juventino | oh hi lagbolt |
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| 23:10.02 | Juventino | thnx dutchfish |
| 23:10.04 | Juventino | will try both |
| 23:10.05 | lagbolt | hey Juventino . . . how goes t |
| 23:10.06 | lagbolt | it |
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| 23:10.46 | Juventino | lagbolt smooth, seems that backporting was a good idea after all |
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| 23:11.10 | Juventino | btw, both glxgears and glxinfo "command not found" |
| 23:11.30 | stew | Juventino: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 23:12.38 | Juventino | thnx stephbul |
| 23:12.40 | Juventino | stew* |
| 23:12.51 | lagbolt | Juventino, good to hear |
| 23:13.48 | lagbolt | well i am outta here. later Juventino |
| 23:14.16 | Juventino | later Juventino :) |
| 23:14.17 | Juventino | errr |
| 23:14.21 | Juventino | lol |
| 23:14.30 | Juventino | i gotta fix that stupid keyboard.. |
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| 23:15.56 | adama | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz', which is the diverted version of `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz' ....what's that mean? |
| 23:16.29 | dererk | :S |
| 23:16.50 | ponyofdeath | hi does anyone have subversion 1.5 running on etch? if so can you please give me some hints? |
| 23:17.47 | Juventino | stew, when i did apt-file update, it's not showing any activity, is that normal? |
| 23:18.16 | rahul | ponyofdeath: ttf files have hints |
| 23:18.39 | ponyofdeath | rahul: ttf files? |
| 23:18.45 | rahul | !ttf |
| 23:18.45 | dpkg | i heard ttf is the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 23:19.51 | rahul | ponyofdeath: if you actually want help, you could ask a question about a specific problem |
| 23:19.54 | adama | http://www.pastebin.ca/1025390 how to fix these broken dependencies? |
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| 23:21.09 | rahul | adama: you can't |
| 23:21.24 | rahul | adama: you asked for a broken system, and apt gave you one |
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| 23:21.44 | adama | well I didn't at first |
| 23:21.54 | rahul | adama: if you're lucky, aptitude can get you out of this mess |
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| 23:22.18 | rahul | (which is what you should have used in the first place) |
| 23:23.31 | stew | adama: did you add that diversion? |
| 23:24.11 | adama | stew: no but someone else may have in the past |
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| 23:24.19 | rahul | "someone else"? |
| 23:24.37 | Juventino | guys, apt-file update is taking forever.. |
| 23:24.44 | scotiobade2 | Does anyone know if the Archos 605 Wifi will work on linux? |
| 23:24.45 | Juventino | and it doesn't show any sign of life.. |
| 23:24.54 | stew | adama: did you check /var/lib/dpkg/diversions ? |
| 23:25.02 | stew | scotiobade2: what chipset is it? |
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| 23:25.36 | rahul | !find /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz |
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| 23:27.05 | Petur | better |
| 23:27.39 | adama | stew, rahul, this is an old server, has been managed by others before me |
| 23:28.21 | Petur | I'm creating a backup script, need an advice. My idea is to backup /etc /var /home /root .. and list of all packages installed in the system via apt-get. |
| 23:28.25 | rahul | adama: it probably has obsolete packages |
| 23:28.26 | adama | stew: /var/lib/dpkg/diversions has a lot in it |
| 23:28.32 | rahul | adama: use aptitude and clean stuff up |
| 23:28.35 | Petur | Would _you_ do this in a diffrent way? |
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| 23:28.49 | varney | hi all |
| 23:29.37 | stew | adama: which package is the diversion assosiated with? check the bts for that package and coreutils |
| 23:29.42 | varney | is there a way to install the latest apache/php/mysql (e.g. 2.2.8 apache for example) via aptitude, or is the only way to build it from source? doesn't seem to be much on google... |
| 23:29.42 | stew | adama: why are you running unstable on a server? |
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| 23:31.46 | rahul | stew: he still has textutils on there |
| 23:31.54 | adama | stew: it's just a router |
| 23:32.00 | rahul | "just" |
| 23:32.13 | stew | adama: a rounter that needs bleeding edge software? |
| 23:32.20 | rahul | all the more reason to not bring down your network because of some random error introduced accidentally |
| 23:32.23 | adama | stew: not really |
| 23:32.29 | adama | it has very old software on it |
| 23:32.41 | rahul | he needs to run compiz on his router! |
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| 23:33.08 | adama | I want to run hobbit-client on it |
| 23:33.12 | rahul | adama: well, it's kind of too late to make an easy fix to the situation |
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| 23:33.45 | rahul | !show hobbit-client etch |
| 23:34.00 | rahul | meh? what's the command? |
| 23:34.14 | rahul | adama: how do you know hobbit-client is too new or too broken to be in stable? |
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| 23:34.35 | rahul | and why do you think breaking your system is a good solution to that problem? |
| 23:34.38 | Petur | I think i got disconnected? |
| 23:34.44 | rahul | 19:33 -!- Petur [n=petur@81.15.88.88] has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
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| 23:35.05 | grand_grunt | I'm trying to "make" a 32 bits software, it halts for error on AMD64: error: cast from âRTPRandom*â to âu_int32_tâ loses precision |
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| 23:35.36 | rahul | grand_grunt: teach the person who wrote that code about how to write code correctly |
| 23:35.42 | varney | i see Debian servers with Apache 2.2.8 PHP 5.2.5-3 installed, but how is it done? is the only way to build from source?? |
| 23:35.44 | grand_grunt | Is there a way to fix that? Such as drop the lost precision |
| 23:36.03 | rahul | grand_grunt: no. build it in a 32-bit chroot |
| 23:36.07 | grand_grunt | rahul: Are you sure it's ugly code? |
| 23:36.15 | rahul | grand_grunt: if it needs 64 bits, it will segfault or worse |
| 23:36.28 | rahul | grand_grunt: it's discarding half of the pointer |
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| 23:36.48 | grand_grunt | rahul: This soft is not available on 64 bits (I know understand why), it's "Jabbin" |
| 23:36.54 | rahul | if someone tells you to go to 1543 main street and then you look for 43 main street, I doubt you'll find it :) |
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| 23:37.13 | grand_grunt | rahul: understood, pretty good explanation ! |
| 23:37.21 | \3TATUK | ey is there a command line tool to access the GNOME Network Monitor Properties? |
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| 23:37.51 | rahul | \3TATUK: netstat maybe? |
| 23:37.56 | grand_grunt | rahul: so chroot (or rewrite code) is the only solution? |
| 23:38.31 | rahul | \3TATUK: maybe /proc/net/dev has the counters it uses. I don't know what it displays |
| 23:38.36 | rahul | grand_grunt: pretty much |
| 23:38.37 | \3TATUK | rahul: no... i'm talking about the dialog you get when you double click the Network Monitor Applet that can be added to a GNOME Panel |
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| 23:39.29 | rahul | \3TATUK: if you tell us what information you want instead of some application that many people don't use, maybe we could help better |
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| 23:41.15 | \3TATUK | Or maybe you need to admit that you aren't personally capable of helping me with the issue that I'm having. |
| 23:42.07 | \3TATUK | I need to be able to display the GNOME Network Monitor Applet Properties dialog via xterm. |
| 23:42.30 | rahul | \3TATUK: oh, that's a totally different question than I understood |
| 23:42.43 | rahul | I thought you wanted a command line tool to give you that info |
| 23:42.56 | rahul | it's probably gnome-network-monitor |
| 23:43.08 | rahul | but you can't launch capplets from the command line very cleanly |
| 23:43.38 | rahul | you get flaky interactions with the autolaunching the panel has already |
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| 23:44.02 | \3TATUK | there is no gnome-network-monitor |
| 23:44.06 | \3TATUK | only gnome-network-preferences |
| 23:44.26 | \3TATUK | Do you know of Python/C-GNOME API to do it? |
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| 23:46.59 | Dangly | have nvidia video..how do i get debian to recognize larger than 800x600? |
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| 23:47.11 | Dangly | have nvidia video card..how do i get debian to recognize larger than 800x600? |
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| 23:47.23 | streuner | !drxx Dangly |
| 23:47.24 | dpkg | Dangly: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:47.40 | Dangly | thanks will try |
| 23:47.44 | Dangly | stay tuned |
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| 23:48.12 | grand_grunt | Dangly: dpkg will stay tuned, don't worry |
| 23:49.32 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:50.14 | Dangly | when ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it did not ask about screen res !! |
| 23:50.39 | streuner | hm, you doing something wrong then |
| 23:50.41 | dvs | Dangly: then look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 23:50.47 | streuner | Dangly: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 23:51.33 | Dangly | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 23:51.51 | dvs | Dangly: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:51.57 | Dangly | lenny |
| 23:52.02 | dvs | ah |
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| 23:52.34 | Dangly | anyone offer help? |
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| 23:52.46 | streuner | Dangly: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:53.20 | \3TATUK | eh i got it... panel-test-applets --iid OAFIID:GNOME_NetstatusApplet |
| 23:53.22 | Dangly | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.24 | \3TATUK | close enough for now |
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| 23:53.46 | CaT[t3] | sniggers |
| 23:53.52 | Dangly | streuner: not following |
| 23:54.09 | streuner | Dangly: Did you read <sid faq> yet? |
| 23:54.27 | Dangly | no..is there something on nvidia? |
| 23:54.41 | streuner | no |
| 23:54.53 | grand_grunt | streuner: I should mind my own business, but lenny is not sid |
| 23:55.04 | dvs | !lart grand_grunt |
| 23:55.05 | dpkg | whips grand_grunt with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 23:55.09 | streuner | Dangly: hm, that's true :-) |
| 23:55.31 | grand_grunt | aouch |
| 23:55.41 | dvs | don't do it again! |
| 23:55.47 | streuner | grand_grunt: ^^^ |
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| 23:56.03 | Dangly | so can anyone help with getting an nvidia graphics card to work in lenny? |
| 23:56.18 | streuner | Dangly: Did you read sid faq? |
| 23:56.33 | streuner | read that first |
| 23:57.06 | grand_grunt | streuner: I've read some doc'. |
| 23:57.08 | grand_grunt | !lart grand_grunt |
| 23:57.08 | dpkg | stamps grand_grunt on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
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| 23:57.44 | Dangly | streuner: sorry what am i looking for in sid faq's? |
| 23:58.17 | streuner | sid faq mention BTS... |
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| 23:58.51 | streuner | and testing/lenny or unstable/sid basically tends to have bugs... |
| 23:59.19 | streuner | you should know that if you running lenny/testing |
| 23:59.49 | streuner | basically read the whole sid faq, it doesn't hurd |