| 00:00.09 | g0to | theneb_eeepc: ok, just curious. Don't know is ther's an eeepc channel. |
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| 00:00.22 | theneb_eeepc | I need the wpa version of the img to install but it's unavailable |
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| 00:02.20 | Ringwaith | /server -m irc.thyexile.net -j #Main |
| 00:02.32 | g0to | theneb_eeepc: no way to get an ethernet connection for the installation? |
| 00:02.33 | theneb_eeepc | irssi fail |
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| 00:03.39 | theneb_eeepc | g0to, might have to move stuff round to get one |
| 00:04.38 | g0to | theneb_eeepc: did you searched for any torrent? |
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| 00:05.12 | pngwn | theneb_eeepc, #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:08.43 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 00:09.21 | bam | so... in debian etch... i was trying to completely uninstall mysql 5, and i ended up removing the /etc/mysql directory |
| 00:09.31 | Gorbulas | I'm having trouble installing Debian. the grub package cannot be authenticated |
| 00:09.47 | bam | now when i try to reinstall, it never puts in a new /etc/mysql directory. is there some way i can get it to do that? |
| 00:09.55 | Gorbulas | I assume it's been signed with the new keys since the openssl bug was fixed |
| 00:10.17 | Gorbulas | how can I get around this and continue installing? |
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| 00:14.21 | adama | have a good weekend y'all.. beer time |
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| 00:18.45 | Gorbulas | how do I edit my apt/sources.list in the middle of an install using the business card cd? |
| 00:19.13 | Gorbulas | I picked uchicago as my mirror and it's giving me trouble |
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| 00:20.46 | enouf | bam: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:21.09 | enouf | Gorbulas: alt-f2 ? |
| 00:21.25 | enouf | Gorbulas: messages should be on alt-f4 IINM |
| 00:21.39 | Gorbulas | but it doesn't have a text editor on it that I can see |
| 00:21.58 | enouf | it should have ash, or busybox, hrm |
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| 00:22.09 | Gorbulas | nm found nano |
| 00:22.09 | enouf | nano ? pico? |
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| 00:23.37 | enouf | theneb_eeepc: have you tried a kmuto image? |
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| 00:26.14 | pablo__ | hi, how do i know when my hd is failing and it needs to be changed? |
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| 00:28.11 | Gorbulas | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.11 | ftp3 | will this command "rsync -avz -e ssh root@192.168.1.10:/home2/ /home2/" only sync new/changed files? or will it copy every file? |
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| 00:28.35 | Gorbulas | that one sounds like trouble |
| 00:28.52 | markybob | ftp3, new/changed |
| 00:29.31 | ftp3 | markybob, awesome. thanks.. it was a 6hr transfer the first time ;-) |
| 00:31.05 | Ryan52 | I want to send email from my home server. But since its on a DHCP address, gmail treats it as spam, and hotmail rejects it. What can I do? |
| 00:31.16 | enouf | pablo__: you could try smartmontools pkg and use S.M.A.R.T. but also run your HDD Manu diagnostic bootbable CD/Floppy - lastly the 'badblocks' app (careful) |
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| 00:31.35 | Gorbulas | Ryan52: use your ISP's mail server as a smart host iirc |
| 00:31.49 | Ryan52 | They only allow sending from verizon.net |
| 00:31.56 | Ryan52 | and I want to send from my domain. |
| 00:32.27 | Gorbulas | complain? get a new ISP? |
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| 00:32.56 | Ryan52 | but FIOS is sooo fast! And why would they care if I complained! Thanks...I give up. |
| 00:33.01 | markybob | or use google for your domain and use their smtp |
| 00:33.12 | enouf | Ryan52: if they allowed running mail servers from home accounts, spam would be flooding the interwebs even moreso - email is not my bag though |
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| 00:33.43 | Gorbulas | I use my ISP's mailserver to route my outgoing mail |
| 00:33.50 | Ryan52 | ya, I know, I think that its very good that they block it....except when I want to get email from my scripts! |
| 00:33.54 | ftp3 | ryan52: you can send your email through gmail or your isp from your home mail server |
| 00:34.27 | pablo__ | enouf: do you use smartmontools? |
| 00:34.45 | enouf | pablo__: no, but i have loud old HDDs that may die any minute ;-) |
| 00:35.38 | pablo__ | enouf: this is not old, but i want just for precaution, as i have it 24x7 in use |
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| 00:35.44 | enouf | pablo__: many people use them though - but if you go to research.google.com, they say, on large scale, smart is really not working as it should (not buggy, but too many false positives/negatives) |
| 00:35.46 | ma3x | why do i get these errors when i backup a dvd? |
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| 00:35.48 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.59 | enouf | pablo__: 24/7 is fine - Heat is the enemy |
| 00:36.28 | enouf | !smart |
| 00:36.28 | dpkg | i guess smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 00:38.00 | Tramp | enouf: iirc, the positives are fine (i.e. smart errors->disk dies). It's just the opposite that is not good enough (i.e. disks die without smart complaining in advance) |
| 00:38.15 | pablo__ | enouf: so you recommend me using smartmontools amd readong the logs or it is not worth? |
| 00:38.21 | Gorbulas | the cursor on my terminal blinks really fast. should I be worried? |
| 00:38.43 | Tramp | at least if you refer to http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf |
| 00:38.51 | enouf | Tramp: right, guess i said it wrong |
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| 00:42.08 | pablo__ | enouf: so you recommend me using smartmontools amd readong the logs or it is not worth? |
| 00:42.42 | markybob | in any case, you should have backups, since all hd's eventually die :P |
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| 00:44.54 | dansushi | Anyone here using KDE 4 yet, or is it still a pile of shit |
| 00:45.10 | Guerin | !anyone use KDE 4 yet |
| 00:45.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses KDE 4 yet, not even the people who use it. |
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| 00:45.45 | dansushi | !when will kde4 be done |
| 00:45.48 | pablo__ | markybob: ok thanks for the advice |
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| 00:45.57 | Supaplex | !kde4 |
| 00:45.57 | dpkg | i guess kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
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| 00:46.28 | dansushi | shit.. that's a good bot |
| 00:46.38 | dansushi | tacos |
| 00:46.42 | dansushi | !taco |
| 00:46.42 | dpkg | methinks taco is a tasty treat that's good to eat |
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| 00:47.38 | dansushi | !sushi |
| 00:47.38 | dpkg | sushi wa dai-suki desu yo. |
| 00:47.52 | dansushi | !burrito |
| 00:47.56 | dansushi | !buritto |
| 00:47.58 | dansushi | i suck |
| 00:48.09 | dansushi | i did do it right the first time |
| 00:48.11 | dansushi | hmm |
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| 00:51.46 | enouf | pablo__: sorry, had important phone call - but yeah, do as others mentioned, create backups, daily/weekly/incrementally, however you deem appropriate |
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| 00:56.05 | lydgate | so my debian etch server never shows a login anymore |
| 00:56.08 | lydgate | it loads sshd which is how i'm currently using it |
| 00:56.14 | lydgate | but what would prevent it from showing a login? |
| 00:56.18 | lydgate | the last thing it shows is preload |
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| 00:56.48 | lydgate | if i hit enter it does a newline but never does the login |
| 00:56.59 | pablo__ | enouf: ok thx |
| 00:57.30 | enouf | np |
| 00:57.41 | simonrvn | get rid of preload; check your pam settings; hm, what else... |
| 00:58.04 | enouf | lydgate: got a DM on the server? cvonnecting remotely? |
| 00:58.18 | enouf | oh, you did say sshd |
| 00:58.23 | enouf | missed it, at first |
| 00:58.50 | lydgate | enouf: DM? i have the server right here and it won't let me login via keyobard; however it loads sshd so i'm logged in via my laptop |
| 00:59.01 | enouf | lydgate: i see |
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| 00:59.42 | enouf | as mentioned, /etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.d/login, etc - what's changed? |
| 01:00.00 | enouf | is your sudo/su broke? |
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| 01:01.02 | enouf | let's see, when you login, you usually see motd, issue.net info, and mail (box) info |
| 01:01.12 | stiv2k_ | how can I test to see if my mail server is configured as an open relay? |
| 01:01.13 | lydgate | can't tell what's changed, never looked at login.defs before |
| 01:01.33 | lydgate | it just looks like it hangs while it's loading stuff |
| 01:01.49 | enouf | lydgate: do you have X on the server? are you referring to a gdm/kdm/xdm login screen? |
| 01:01.55 | enouf | a GUI? |
| 01:02.07 | lydgate | enouf: i do have X on the server, but I normally start it with startx |
| 01:02.13 | lydgate | in this case it's not even showing me the text login prompt |
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| 01:02.33 | lydgate | when I alt+F2 it's blank as well |
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| 01:03.16 | enouf | lydgate: hrm, ok, so maybe DM settings aren't involved, but hrm.... i see though did you recently mess with any X stuff, Video Drivers? |
| 01:03.20 | simonrvn | lydgate: it almost sounds like it rebooted due to a kernel panic, but check syslog... |
| 01:03.36 | enouf | yeah, mounted ro perhaps too? |
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| 01:03.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:03.48 | lydgate | simonrvn: last time i rebooted was manually |
| 01:03.54 | simonrvn | ok |
| 01:04.06 | enouf | might need a touch /forcefsck - but 1st ascertain if that's the issue |
| 01:04.08 | lydgate | enouf: no... but it won't even let me into the commandline much less X |
| 01:04.14 | simonrvn | check syslog anyway (if you can). hopefully they'll be a clue or 3. |
| 01:04.40 | enouf | hrm, boot a livecd and investigate |
| 01:04.58 | enouf | or do it through ssh, i guess |
| 01:05.21 | enouf | lydgate: is the HDD rw? 'mount' says what about it? |
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| 01:05.47 | lydgate | enouf: there are 4 HDDs |
| 01:05.58 | enouf | wherver the / FS is |
| 01:06.24 | enouf | haha, lemme guess , fakeraid .. |
| 01:06.30 | enouf | runs |
| 01:06.32 | lydgate | enouf: /dev/md0 on / type xfs (rw) |
| 01:06.42 | lydgate | what, you think it's md? |
| 01:06.47 | enouf | ok, softraid, not bad |
| 01:07.01 | enouf | possible - boot a livecd and look |
| 01:07.17 | lydgate | i mean it functions fine, i mostly use it for ssh anyway |
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| 01:07.26 | enouf | xfs? have a power failure recently? O_O |
| 01:07.27 | lydgate | but i'd also like to login directly if possible |
| 01:07.31 | lydgate | enouf: no |
| 01:07.53 | lydgate | i rebooted yesterday, to check what was making a noise |
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| 01:07.54 | lydgate | that's it |
| 01:07.58 | enouf | when was last time you logged in directly? locally |
| 01:08.03 | enouf | ahh |
| 01:08.07 | lydgate | uhh, 3 or 4 days ago? |
| 01:08.21 | lydgate | i found out it was /dev/sdb |
| 01:08.29 | enouf | well, it rebooted, but not ok fully, i guess |
| 01:08.33 | lydgate | which is part of a raid-1 from mdadm |
| 01:08.45 | lydgate | well how could i tell if it's not ok? |
| 01:08.46 | lydgate | it seems ok |
| 01:08.50 | enouf | LIVECD |
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| 01:08.57 | lydgate | /proc/mdstat looks ok |
| 01:09.04 | lydgate | but what would i lookat with a livecd? |
| 01:09.21 | enouf | well, since you can read the FS, look at the logs as mentioened |
| 01:09.40 | lydgate | ok looking |
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| 01:11.28 | Sebboh | Hi. I just did something silly. Well, in hindsight.. I did apt-get install ipmasq. I immediately lost all network connectivity on the machine. I've got four virtual machines in there with their interfaces bound to two bridges on the host machine.. I uninstalled/purged ipmasq.. so I can just reboot and I should be fine.. But I can't get into the virt machines to shut them down politely, because the network is jacked.. How can I undo wha |
| 01:11.49 | lydgate | enouf: nothing odd that i can see |
| 01:11.57 | lydgate | mostly squid/snort stuff |
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| 01:12.13 | lydgate | in syslog anyway |
| 01:13.11 | enouf | check others, /messages , /kern.log , /auth.log , /fsck/* , and if you have boologd enabled /boot |
| 01:13.38 | enouf | even /dmesg |
| 01:14.22 | lydgate | messages full of shorewall stuff |
| 01:14.40 | lydgate | same with kern.log |
| 01:15.17 | lydgate | auth.log largely cronjobs |
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| 01:15.40 | lydgate | fsck logs clean |
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| 01:17.34 | Bushmills | Sebboh: iptables -L -n .. look at output, you might see why connectivity appears to have been lost |
| 01:17.37 | simonrvn | weird |
| 01:17.45 | Bushmills | good opportunity to learn about iptables |
| 01:18.02 | simonrvn | heh, for sure =) |
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| 01:18.41 | Bushmills | though, "reboot"... may be too late to see effects |
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| 01:23.01 | adv | why in /etc/group i have ! in some entries? |
| 01:25.22 | Sebboh | Bushmills, it's empty. |
| 01:26.11 | Bushmills | i'd say there are at least 3 lines |
| 01:26.16 | Sebboh | how can I create a new fake interface with an IP on it? like, 10.0.81.30 ... I'll just throw it on the bridge so that I can talk to the other machines in that range.. |
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| 01:26.47 | Sebboh | Bushmills, there aren't any rules defined. ACCEPT, ACCEPT, ACCEPT. |
| 01:27.02 | Bushmills | Sebboh: iproute or ifconfig. iproute is more elegant |
| 01:27.24 | Bushmills | Sebboh: should have looked before reboot |
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| 01:27.35 | Sebboh | Before what reboot? |
| 01:27.37 | \3TATUK | I'm getting two different IP resolutions for a domain based on whether i'm root or non-root. .. I'm guessing the non-root has some type of local DNS cache, is there a way to flush this? |
| 01:28.03 | Bushmills | with the ip command from iproute.. |
| 01:28.35 | Bushmills | ip addr add ip/net dev eth0 for example |
| 01:28.52 | \3TATUK | i don't even have iproute installed |
| 01:29.08 | Bushmills | \3TATUK: meant for Sebboh |
| 01:29.13 | \3TATUK | oh my bad |
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| 01:30.40 | Bushmills | Sebboh: " I uninstalled/purged ipmasq.. so I can just reboot and I should be fine" that reboot |
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| 01:31.37 | Sebboh | I don't have iproute, either. I do have a binary called ip. ok, I've got a configured interface, thanks Bushmills. |
| 01:31.59 | Sebboh | Bushmills, I will be fine after the reboot, but I won't reboot until I shutdown my appserver gracefully. :) |
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| 01:33.13 | dabreegster | I put my ATI Rage 128 pci card in my new machine with a new mobo and everything and reinstalled a fresh lenny. The best resolution Xorg seems to get is 800x600. I got at least 1024x768 on my old machine with the same card, different motherboard. Anything I can try? |
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| 01:35.05 | Sebboh | hm |
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| 01:35.51 | Sebboh | dpkg reconfigure xorg. I don't remember the exact syntax, but if you google up those three words you should find it.. |
| 01:35.52 | dpkg | You are moron #29, Sebboh |
| 01:36.02 | Sebboh | I love you, dpkg. |
| 01:36.17 | dabreegster | Sebboh: drxx? Do you remember the option to make it ask every question? By default it just asks me keyboard layout and thats about it |
| 01:37.14 | dabreegster | gasp! 'quiet' is a kernel parameter by default in lenny. how nasty. |
| 01:37.22 | adama | how do you make it so that inserted media (CD-ROM, USB device etc) doesn't appear on the desktop? |
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| 01:37.29 | Sebboh | If I don't remember the name of the package what makes you think I'd remember how to control the granularity of the questions? Anyway, if you get keyboard config you might be doing reconfigure on the wrong package.. ? |
| 01:38.36 | Sebboh | adama, in MS windows, hold down shift. You haven't told us if you're in KDE, or gnome, or what. |
| 01:38.36 | Bushmills | what' wrong with good old editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 01:38.42 | dabreegster | nah xserver-xorg handles all that |
| 01:38.57 | Sebboh | Bushmills, the auto-magic is really good these days. |
| 01:39.02 | dabreegster | Bushmills: when I specify resolutions manually my monitor gives me a lovely "cant display this mode." but it could in the old box. i'll try auto magic first |
| 01:39.16 | adama | in debian/Gnome, how do you make it so that inserted media (CD-ROM, USB device etc) doesn't appear on the desktop? |
| 01:39.36 | Sebboh | dabreegster, for a non-debian way, there's always X --configure or whatever.. automagically writes you a new conf and everything. |
| 01:39.47 | Bushmills | Sebboh: yes, i can see that/ 800x600 is really good these days |
| 01:39.53 | dabreegster | Sebboh: ill try that as a semilast resort |
| 01:40.29 | Sebboh | Bushmills, have a beer. As you can see, the reconfigure hasn't happened since he put the new card in. |
| 01:41.17 | Sebboh | probe is skipped if an existing config is found.. (huh, I wonder if I just stumbled across a solution!) |
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| 01:45.54 | dabreegster | X -configure ate my box. Black screen, no input. Checking the log now |
| 01:45.57 | akio | two questions, is there a way to diagnose a laptop to see if it is overheating? is there a nm-applet for etch? |
| 01:46.22 | seeds | what comes after lenny? |
| 01:46.54 | dabreegster | And it didn't write any resolutions to the config. What should I try now? oh yeah, drxx with all questions... |
| 01:46.57 | Bushmills | akio: lm-sensors, or mbmon. mbmon may be simpler. |
| 01:47.07 | akio | i think i have an etch install on an old laptop that is grinding to a really slow pace after it heats up |
| 01:47.27 | akio | even text mode becomes unusable |
| 01:47.35 | Bushmills | but lm-sensors proably covers a wider range of sensors |
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| 01:49.41 | dabreegster | I ran drxx with -plow and it still didnt ask me anything about the monitor or video card like it used to do a few releases ago. Is this a change? What should I try to get my resolution higher? |
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| 01:51.43 | Sebboh | dabreegster, if x --configure ate your box, getting auto-magic working by the Debian method will probably just eat your box, too. I'd recommend Bushmills's method now. |
| 01:52.24 | dabreegster | Manually specifying modelines? I don't remember what it was. :P |
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| 01:52.28 | Bushmills | nah. unlikely that you need modelines |
| 01:53.03 | dabreegster | According to the /var/log, it's skipping a bunch of resolutions because the vrefresh or hsync values are out of range. And before that it says using the default values for those. |
| 01:53.26 | Bushmills | look in log why res is low. whether higher res modes are deleted because of max hsync or vsync too low, or other reason |
| 01:53.30 | dabreegster | This is a somewhat newish monitor. I know it can go higher than 800x600. Can I specify modelines in the monitor portion of xorg.conf? I think SVGATextMode finds em well |
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| 01:54.40 | dabreegster | sial.org/pbot/31108 is my xorg log. Looks like bad default vrefresh and hsync values |
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| 01:55.04 | Bushmills | dabreegster: you could try dpms option. |
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| 01:55.30 | dabreegster | from BIOS or in my xorg? Alright. |
| 01:55.32 | enouf | adama: go system / preferences / volume management or similar |
| 01:55.41 | Bushmills | if that fails, fix them manually to reasonable values |
| 01:55.45 | Bushmills | in xorg |
| 01:55.53 | Bushmills | Section "Monitor" |
| 01:55.57 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.10 | dabreegster | Thank you. |
| 01:56.24 | Bushmills | keep that for when it works |
| 01:56.36 | plota | that's just power saving isn't it? |
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| 01:57.07 | Bushmills | no. that's a protocol to talk to monitor, inquiring operational parameters |
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| 01:57.17 | plota | oh |
| 01:57.25 | Bushmills | but also power saving. |
| 01:57.54 | dabreegster | No change with just that. I'll figure out my modelines and the sync and refresh rates for the monitor. I swear svgatextmode has em |
| 01:59.07 | Bushmills | can you see in xorg log what monitor tells about HorizSync and VertRefresh? |
| 01:59.35 | dabreegster | Lemme look |
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| 02:00.34 | dabreegster | my R128 card says: VESA VBE DDC read failed. isnt ddcprobe for finding resolutions? |
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| 02:01.06 | Bushmills | that's color characterisation |
| 02:01.09 | dabreegster | using default hsync and vrefresh ranges... unable to estimate virtual size. its not talking to my monitor properly |
| 02:01.24 | Bushmills | that;s one meaning, that is |
| 02:01.37 | Bushmills | other is vesa data channel |
| 02:03.17 | Bushmills | i suppose it refers to the latter |
| 02:03.54 | dabreegster | Sometimes when I kill the X server by Ctrl alt backspace or by killing startx, when I startx again the screen is glitchy and I lose input. Also a video mode issue? |
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| 02:07.16 | Bushmills | any mention of EDID in the log? |
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| 02:09.14 | Tyrant91101 | Can anyone help me with installing VirtualBox? I get the error "Error inserting vboxdrv.ko: Operation not permitted" (slight paraphrase) |
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| 02:09.55 | dabreegster | Bushmills: nope |
| 02:09.58 | Ryan52 | Tyrant91101: google the original phrase? |
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| 02:10.23 | Bushmills | dabreegster: then i'd fix the h/v sync parameters in the config |
| 02:10.24 | Tyrant91101 | Already did, and the forum posts dont contain much information |
| 02:10.36 | markybob | Tyrant91101, as root, /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start |
| 02:10.52 | Tyrant91101 | markybob, I am set as super user |
| 02:11.01 | Tyrant91101 | And i've already tried it as root |
| 02:11.02 | dabreegster | Bushmills: That's my plan. Is the best place to get them from svgatextmode? I certainly dont have any kind of monitor manual with em sadly |
| 02:11.16 | Bushmills | dabreegster: tft? crt? |
| 02:11.24 | Ryan52 | I dont have a /etc/init.d/vboxdrv... |
| 02:11.33 | dabreegster | Bushmills: dell lcd. i cant find a model number or anything. a friend just kind of gave it to me |
| 02:11.43 | Tyrant91101 | Ryan52, do you have VirtualBox installed? |
| 02:11.45 | Ryan52 | yes |
| 02:11.50 | Tyrant91101 | OSE? |
| 02:11.53 | Ryan52 | Did you install the debian package? |
| 02:11.57 | Ryan52 | yes. |
| 02:12.03 | Tyrant91101 | Yes I installed the debian package |
| 02:12.29 | markybob | Tyrant91101, #vbox |
| 02:12.53 | Tyrant91101 | markybob, thank you, didn't know there was a vbox channel |
| 02:13.23 | Bushmills | dabreegster: what resolution? |
| 02:13.40 | dabreegster | Bushmills: physical? id have to get a ruler out. i found a serial number, im googling it now |
| 02:13.54 | Bushmills | pixels. 1280x1024? |
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| 02:14.24 | dabreegster | I don't know |
| 02:17.48 | dabreegster | Is there a way to reset my video card's state? If I boot x now again, it'll freeze. Sometimes after I restart it it glitches and I lose input. |
| 02:18.25 | Bushmills | dabreegster: do you have Load "vbe" in Section "Module" ? |
| 02:18.25 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.01 | dabreegster | There are no load module lines in my autogened xorg.conf. I'll add it. |
| 02:19.12 | Bushmills | not quite sure, but could be that this module is the one dealing with monitor specs readout |
| 02:19.18 | dabreegster | I'll try it |
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| 02:21.04 | dabreegster | I have to go eat now, but I need to reboot so I can start x again properly anyway. Thanks Bushmills, I know I need vrefresh and hsync now |
| 02:21.19 | jesse | if i copy the /var/cache/apt/archives folder from one computer to another, will aptitude recognise that it doesnt need to download the files? |
| 02:21.32 | jesse | (on the destination computer) |
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| 02:22.45 | DavidMJ | Is there any good way of installing sun's java inside of a chroot'd environment? |
| 02:23.03 | DavidMJ | it always seems to fail :( |
| 02:23.07 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, fails? |
| 02:23.10 | Lagbolt | what error? |
| 02:23.33 | DavidMJ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.03/bin/java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so |
| 02:23.48 | DavidMJ | gah |
| 02:23.50 | DavidMJ | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.03/bin/java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:25.33 | Lagbolt | and what did you do before that? was that error after and apt-get? |
| 02:26.12 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, I did a debootstrap |
| 02:26.32 | Lagbolt | right, i figured that, |
| 02:27.38 | Lagbolt | after that? |
| 02:28.06 | DavidMJ | then the apt-get |
| 02:28.27 | DavidMJ | "Setting up sun-java6-bin" |
| 02:28.31 | DavidMJ | followed by that error |
| 02:29.20 | Lagbolt | i am going to try it on my chroot |
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| 02:29.28 | DavidMJ | thanks :) |
| 02:29.49 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, is that etch? lenny? |
| 02:30.07 | DavidMJ | etch |
| 02:30.11 | Lagbolt | and you apt-get install sun-java6-jre? |
| 02:30.18 | DavidMJ | aptitude |
| 02:30.27 | DavidMJ | but it really shouldn't matter, yes? |
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| 02:30.55 | Lagbolt | no i dont think so |
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| 02:31.23 | Lagbolt | installing |
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| 02:31.26 | Lagbolt | hang on |
| 02:31.29 | tymonn | Hi there |
| 02:31.39 | tymonn | what should i do to REMOVE the proxy??? |
| 02:31.41 | tymonn | debian:/home/tymonn# export | grep proxy |
| 02:31.41 | tymonn | declare -x http_proxy="http://proxy.e-U:8080/" |
| 02:31.41 | tymonn | declare -x no_proxy="localhost,127.0.0.0/8" |
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| 02:32.10 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, worked for me |
| 02:32.34 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 02:33.17 | tymonn | anyone?? |
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| 02:33.50 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, do you have libjline-java package installed? |
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| 02:34.14 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, might not, you think this is what is wrong? |
| 02:34.23 | Lagbolt | hmm nope i dont. . . forget that |
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| 02:34.38 | Lagbolt | that lib appears in that package and sun-java6-bin |
| 02:34.53 | Lagbolt | i do have it installed on my laptop but it did not come in when i installed sunjava in chroot |
| 02:35.42 | zkline | Hm. I just built 2.6.25 in hopes of getting my wireless card to work. It doesn't seem to've done much of any difference. |
| 02:36.05 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, did you go look and see if that lib is even there? |
| 02:36.12 | zkline | The card's a Broadcom 4310. |
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| 02:36.27 | Lagbolt | you might try dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archive/sun-java6-bin <-- and see if the file is in the package |
| 02:36.38 | Lagbolt | it should be . but sounds like somewhere it got lost |
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| 02:37.22 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, it installed it into the chroot'd environment |
| 02:38.03 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, i thought you said you were doing a chroot? |
| 02:38.13 | DavidMJ | I am |
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| 02:38.30 | Lagbolt | oh wait dislexic |
| 02:38.41 | Lagbolt | i dont understand the last comment |
| 02:38.50 | Lagbolt | what do you mean? |
| 02:39.00 | DavidMJ | the file is in the chroot'd dir |
| 02:39.08 | Lagbolt | so the lib exists? |
| 02:39.13 | DavidMJ | yes |
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| 02:40.00 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
| 02:40.33 | DavidMJ | what is your LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the chroot'd environment? |
| 02:41.17 | Lagbolt | it isnt set |
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| 02:43.24 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, is proc supposed to be empty? |
| 02:43.31 | Lagbolt | i mounted proc |
| 02:43.36 | DavidMJ | how? |
| 02:43.47 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, mount -o bind /proc /root/chRooted/proc/ |
| 02:43.51 | DavidMJ | ah |
| 02:44.03 | DavidMJ | that might be it |
| 02:44.33 | Lagbolt | actually also this, mount -o bind /dev/ /root/chRooted/dev and mount -t devpts none /root/chRooted/dev/pts/ |
| 02:44.53 | Lagbolt | this got everything workin so i could get x to run from it. found it in a howto i was reading for running X in a chroot |
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| 02:46.16 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, that was it! |
| 02:46.52 | Lagbolt | sweet |
| 02:46.53 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 02:49.32 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, did you do the loop mount first or last? |
| 02:50.18 | Lagbolt | i didnt loop mount anything |
| 02:50.20 | extor | Are there any opcode cachers for perl, like there are for PHP? |
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| 02:50.42 | Lagbolt | just those 3 mounts that i mentioned |
| 02:51.28 | dabreegster | extor: something that low level? a bit higher level would be Devel::Trace, check that out |
| 02:52.26 | extor | what about speedyCGI? Does that cache the opcode "persistently"? |
| 02:52.59 | dendrite | extor: Are you looking for mod_perl? |
| 02:53.00 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, I dd'd my FS because I need to transfer if over |
| 02:53.18 | extor | no I am just looking to run faster and with less ram on the same hardware |
| 02:53.25 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, what are you doing? migrating to another drive? |
| 02:53.30 | extor | mod_perl has a reputation of being somewhat picky about RAM |
| 02:53.38 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, something like that, yes |
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| 02:54.18 | Lagbolt | ah so you loop mounted the dd'd fs? |
| 02:54.20 | dendrite | extor: Heh. I'll have to look into that "picky about RAM" bit... o_O |
| 02:54.58 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, yes |
| 02:55.09 | Lagbolt | ah i see |
| 02:55.23 | extor | you don't buy it? |
| 02:55.28 | extor | more like a RAM HOG |
| 02:55.40 | Lagbolt | is that creating a problem? or is it working now? |
| 02:55.46 | dendrite | extor: Pre-load your modules, and it's all shared memory. |
| 02:56.10 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, I was wondering if there is a proper order in which to do it |
| 02:56.12 | dendrite | extor: No free ride, anything that caches code in memory will ... take memory!!! |
| 02:56.18 | dendrite | <-- genius. |
| 02:56.20 | DavidMJ | but I think I figured it out |
| 02:56.20 | extor | well the thing with mod_perl is...it seems to suck up a lot of RAM for each client that connects. |
| 02:56.37 | dendrite | extor: That sounds like leaky code. |
| 02:56.38 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, well prob loopmount first |
| 02:56.46 | extor | dendrite yeah but you can cache the opcodes in a space in RAM...but caching parts of it PER CLIENT is ineffecient |
| 02:56.49 | DavidMJ | yeah |
| 02:57.01 | extor | no more like a leaky framework |
| 02:57.33 | dendrite | extor: If you load your modules up front, then the "per client" (actually per child) cost is reduced greatly, through shared memory between children. |
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| 02:58.25 | extor | 22567 www-data 17 0 228m 4816 1712 S 0 0.9 0:00.06 apache2 |
| 02:58.25 | extor | 22568 www-data 20 0 228m 4652 1664 S 0 0.9 0:00.06 apache2 |
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| 02:58.59 | linuxguy | !envy |
| 02:59.01 | dendrite | !paste |
| 02:59.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:59.18 | extor | See the difference? |
| 02:59.35 | linuxguy | anyone here use ati cards? |
| 02:59.37 | extor | mod_perl is a hog |
| 02:59.46 | dendrite | extor: Sorry, there are enough variables that a little ps snippet isn't really going to tell the story. |
| 02:59.50 | extor | and apache2 and lighty are hogs compared to nginx |
| 02:59.55 | extor | sighs |
| 03:00.15 | linuxguy | !envy |
| 03:00.29 | extor | so you are saying mod_perl is no worse than any of the other solutions? |
| 03:00.38 | extor | And all the benchmarks out there are false advertising? |
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| 03:02.21 | dendrite | extor: No, I'm not saying that at all. From the information you've chosen to share here, I had guessed you might want mod_perl. Now I see you've already formed an opinion against it, and your question might better have read "are there leaner ways than mod_perl to cache cgi perl code." |
| 03:02.48 | linuxguy | anyone here use ati cards? |
| 03:02.53 | extor | yes I should have expressed myself better in the beginning |
| 03:02.54 | gpm | !anyone |
| 03:02.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 03:04.13 | linuxguy | hhmm......interesting situation arising |
| 03:04.21 | nsk | is there any ready package to install Eclipse 3.3 and EMF/Omondo on Debian lenny? |
| 03:04.25 | gpm | ask away dude? |
| 03:04.42 | gpm | nsk: did you try searching? |
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| 03:05.17 | linuxguy | well i need to know if anyone here is using ati cards....secondly do they work ok? |
| 03:05.36 | gpm | why don't you just tell us what's happening that is making your card not work ok |
| 03:05.46 | gpm | (?) |
| 03:06.19 | nsk | gpm: thanks, I didn't find any ready package for it |
| 03:07.02 | gpm | nsk: i don't think it'd be under any funny name. someone on the 'net might've packaged it, you could try googling, but then you're dealing with a less-than-reliable source (i.e. something from the internet) |
| 03:07.02 | dendrite | linuxguy: If we say yes, we use ATI, will you ask your real question? =) |
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| 03:07.20 | gpm | i've used ATI cards, they worked. it was AWESOME |
| 03:07.31 | linuxguy | gpm, ...well I have an ati 9600xt card and using deb 4.03......i can get the resolution right.....but the screensavers are unesaabble...so are games.......i need to install a driver to make it work ok |
| 03:07.31 | dabreegster | linuxguy: i use an ati rage 128 card. I am currently having issues getting decent resolutions on X. DRI works. |
| 03:07.55 | dabreegster | linuxguy: run glxinfo|grep Direct and see if it says yes or no |
| 03:08.07 | dabreegster | linuxguy: if you dont have that program, sudo apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 03:08.09 | gpm | linuxguy: what dabreegster said |
| 03:08.28 | miksuh | nsk: atleast Eclipse 3.2 is in Etch |
| 03:08.44 | nsk | miksuh: yeah I have 3.2 at the moment |
| 03:08.48 | gpm | the nvidia drivers are b0rked in sid afaict |
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| 03:08.59 | linuxguy | ive tried using that envy package.....but its a bit ambigious at certian at what to do next |
| 03:09.59 | miksuh | don't use envy or other hacks like that |
| 03:10.17 | miksuh | those just mess up the hole system |
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| 03:10.32 | nsk | gpm: I have a few debian lenny machines here and I wanted to update them all from eclipse 3.2 to 3.3 with emf/omondo, but manually installing on all machines would take some time, that's why I was looking for a ready package to simplify the upgrade over all machines |
| 03:10.38 | dabreegster | linuxguy: do you have direct rendering enabled or not? did you run the command i gave you? |
| 03:11.22 | DavidMJ | Lagbolt, thank you so much for your help :) |
| 03:11.30 | Lagbolt | DavidMJ, no problem |
| 03:11.52 | miksuh | hole = whole |
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| 03:12.10 | linuxguy | dabreegster, .........yes.......it didnt work.....i think i need the fglrx drivers |
| 03:12.25 | linuxguy | im installing mesa-utils now :) |
| 03:12.31 | dabreegster | Alright. |
| 03:12.39 | miksuh | lionuxguy: You can install fglrx using module-assistant |
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| 03:13.30 | miksuh | just activate Debian non-free repository first |
| 03:13.37 | miksuh | and then do |
| 03:13.51 | miksuh | # m-a prepare |
| 03:14.01 | dabreegster | Anybody know why drxx even with -plow only configures my keyboard? It leaves my videocard, mouse, and monitor sections just with Identifier "configured blah." I'd like the automagic to take place because xorg's own probing bit is confused because it's using default monitor refresh rates. |
| 03:14.01 | miksuh | # m-a a-i fglrx |
| 03:14.07 | linuxguy | mksuh..........I thought of that to......my problem is activating non free.....how is it done? |
| 03:14.52 | miksuh | add keyword non-free to your /etc&apt/sources.list after main-keyword |
| 03:15.06 | miksuh | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:15.24 | miksuh | you could add keyword contrib too |
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| 03:15.51 | miksuh | I'll msg you my sources.list |
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| 03:18.05 | dabreegster | My monitor's OSD says its resolution is 720x400 at 70Hz. Is that a clue towards a usable xorg modeline? |
| 03:18.23 | linuxguy | mlsuh......ok thanks....at leats i will know what to add \ do :) |
| 03:19.11 | mewshi | what lines do I need to add to enable testing and unstable? |
| 03:19.39 | Lagbolt | mewshi, why do you want to use testing/unstable? is there a specific package you need? |
| 03:20.06 | mewshi | torrentflux |
| 03:20.23 | Lagbolt | is it in backports? |
| 03:20.40 | mewshi | how do I check? |
| 03:20.47 | mewshi | this is on a fresh install |
| 03:20.50 | Lagbolt | mewshi, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 03:20.52 | Lagbolt | check there |
| 03:21.17 | Lagbolt | mewshi, looks like it is not there |
| 03:21.24 | Lagbolt | you could backport it yourself if you like |
| 03:21.31 | Lagbolt | !tell mewshi about ssb |
| 03:22.05 | mewshi | it tells me to add a line for sid |
| 03:22.09 | mewshi | what do I need to add? |
| 03:22.19 | Lagbolt | it tells you to add a src line tho |
| 03:22.39 | plota | it probably wouldn't kill you to compile it yourself and put it in /usr/local/bin or something |
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| 03:22.44 | Lagbolt | ah you want the line verbatim |
| 03:23.07 | Lagbolt | mewshi, deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 03:23.09 | mewshi | I actually just wanted to know how to add the bloody repositories |
| 03:23.32 | Lagbolt | mewshi, you just add them, changing etch to what ever version you want |
| 03:23.46 | Lagbolt | but you may end up pulling in packages that could break etch |
| 03:23.47 | mewshi | and add main non-free contrib after each? |
| 03:24.13 | Lagbolt | if you want packages from there yes |
| 03:24.26 | Lagbolt | torrentflux is in main so you dont have to |
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| 03:24.59 | GLessam | Anyone know of a patient and/or drug management software for a NGO? |
| 03:25.04 | mewshi | No it isn't |
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| 03:25.35 | Lagbolt | mewshi, torrentflux: 990 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages <--- yes it is in main |
| 03:25.57 | mewshi | Well, it isn't showing up for me :\ |
| 03:26.08 | Lagbolt | did you do "apt-get update" |
| 03:26.09 | mewshi | i just did apt-cache search torrent, nothing came up |
| 03:26.13 | mewshi | yes, I did |
| 03:26.31 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin your sources.list |
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| 03:27.29 | Lagbolt | mewshi, nothing came up at all? or just no torrentflux? |
| 03:28.54 | mewshi | no torrentflux |
| 03:29.40 | mewshi | How do I copy stuff in a command line? O.o |
| 03:29.49 | markybob | cp foo foo2 |
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| 03:30.44 | mewshi | I mean text |
| 03:30.55 | mewshi | i can't figure out how to copy the text to paste it :\ |
| 03:30.57 | gpm | mewshi: gpm |
| 03:30.58 | Lagbolt | highlight it and middle lck |
| 03:31.03 | mewshi | no mouse |
| 03:31.07 | mewshi | PURE command line |
| 03:31.08 | nkuttler | GLessam: can you be more specific? |
| 03:31.09 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 03:31.11 | mewshi | i don't even have X installed |
| 03:31.15 | gpm | lol, you can do it in vim |
| 03:31.16 | gpm | i think |
| 03:31.20 | gpm | but i don't know about in bash |
| 03:31.24 | gpm | i don't think that's possible |
| 03:31.26 | markybob | you dont need x for gpm |
| 03:31.30 | Lagbolt | what is that pastebinpipe? |
| 03:31.34 | Lagbolt | !pastebinpipe |
| 03:31.36 | gpm | you do need a mouse for gpm |
| 03:31.37 | gpm | i would know |
| 03:31.39 | dendrite | mewshi: Copy from where? |
| 03:31.39 | Lagbolt | is that it? |
| 03:31.59 | mewshi | sources.list |
| 03:32.12 | Lagbolt | what is that pastebin command line? |
| 03:32.22 | dendrite | mewshi: Copy your sources.list to where? |
| 03:32.51 | mewshi | to a pastebin |
| 03:33.11 | GLessam | nkuttler: okay well the aim is to be able to hold information in patients as well as describe their drug usage which the system automatically subtracts from the the current amount of drugs stored |
| 03:33.17 | dendrite | mewshi: Some pastebins have file upload features. Use a text-mode browser. |
| 03:33.33 | GLessam | nkuttler: so sorta a patient management system meets drug stock control system |
| 03:33.53 | Lagbolt | !tell mewshi about pastebin pipe |
| 03:33.53 | mewshi | such as? |
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| 03:34.01 | markybob | doesnt gnumed do all that stuff? |
| 03:34.15 | mewshi | Look, I just want to know what to add to enable testing and unstable |
| 03:34.36 | Lagbolt | mewshi, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 03:34.38 | Lagbolt | like that |
| 03:34.39 | GLessam | markybob: never heard of it thanks |
| 03:34.41 | dendrite | mewshi: You should not add unstable unless you know enough to do it without help from here. |
| 03:34.54 | Lagbolt | but i think ssb is better option |
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| 03:35.16 | dabreegster | New issue. BIOS correctly reports 2 GB ram (2 dual channel ddr dimms), debian's only reporting about 885mb |
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| 03:35.30 | Lagbolt | just add the deb-src for testing and follow the simple backports inststructions |
| 03:35.46 | GLessam | markybob: nkuttler: and it should be web based as the hospices are all over the country |
| 03:35.49 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, what kernel u using |
| 03:36.11 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: 2.6.24-1-486. dual core amd athlon 64bit but i'm pretty sure i'm in 386 mode |
| 03:36.21 | markybob | GLessam, yeah. gnumed has a web interface as well |
| 03:36.26 | Lagbolt | yeah you need a diff kern to get the ram to be avail |
| 03:36.47 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: i thought 64bit mode was for over 4GB ram or something |
| 03:36.51 | GLessam | markybob: sounds great |
| 03:37.02 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, did you use 64 bit installer? |
| 03:37.09 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: do i need to run in 64bit mode completely and have all those issues with 32bit flash and stuff? |
| 03:37.18 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, sounds like you are running 32bit |
| 03:37.32 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: no, i used the 386 one because dpkg (infobot that is) and someone here recommended it |
| 03:37.33 | gpm | how is 64bit these days? |
| 03:37.33 | mewshi | damn |
| 03:37.44 | gpm | damn it all to hell |
| 03:37.49 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, you can run 32 bit debian with no probs and see all 2GB ram if you just install the kern with support for 1-4gb mem |
| 03:38.03 | Lagbolt | gpm 64bit is nice, no java plugin but otherwise all seems to work great |
| 03:38.13 | Lagbolt | mewshi, i told you the source |
| 03:38.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | gpm, its about twice as much as 32bit |
| 03:38.25 | Lagbolt | mewshi, still not working? |
| 03:38.31 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 03:38.58 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: i just need a new kernel image? which one? 686-bigmem says for over 4gigs, 686 looks like just intel procs. so amd64? that wont put me in 64bit mode? |
| 03:39.00 | gpm | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks! |
| 03:39.17 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, you have amd? use the -k7 |
| 03:39.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | lols |
| 03:39.29 | Lagbolt | or -686 works fine i think as well |
| 03:39.33 | gpm | it was a dumb question i suppose |
| 03:39.57 | Lagbolt | there is an amd64 kern but i think only need to run that if using 64bit os? but not 100% sure |
| 03:40.20 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: Ah, I see it. I wondor why there's not a -k7 for 2.6.24. I'll use the .22 one. thanks |
| 03:40.38 | mewshi | what was that alright |
| 03:40.39 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, the k7 now points to 686, i think they are moving to a more generic |
| 03:40.45 | mewshi | I added the testing repo, which has torrentfux |
| 03:40.49 | mewshi | torrentflux* |
| 03:41.11 | dabreegster | Lagbolt: ok. ill try the 686 on the .24 version and if not, just use 22 |
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| 03:41.24 | Lagbolt | mewshi, just be careful, if you do an apt-get upgrade on that you will find problems. be careful |
| 03:41.33 | Lagbolt | 24 works great dabreegster |
| 03:41.40 | Coweater | the amd64 kernel is fine, it's a 32-bit kernel if you installed i386 arch |
| 03:41.44 | dabreegster | Alright. Ill reboot in a minute. Thanks |
| 03:41.48 | mewshi | So, it's gonna ask me for stuff for mysql... do you guys know anything about setting up torrentflux on debian? |
| 03:42.13 | dabreegster | I guess I'll try all three. Any benefit to amd64 vs k7 or 686? |
| 03:42.17 | Lagbolt | Coweater, yeah? i installed it and it had 64bit enabled in config file . . . how does that play out then? |
| 03:42.57 | Lagbolt | dabreegster, if you are using software that uses processor specific options you want to match to your cpu |
| 03:43.34 | dabreegster | not really. As long as it's using both cores (I think it is now I guess) and sees all the memory. |
| 03:43.43 | Coweater | Lagbolt: no clue, i'm running it though, didn't change anything else on my i386 install |
| 03:44.02 | Lagbolt | Coweater, excellent :) i will have to start running it too |
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| 03:47.46 | bbelt16a1 | where can I find firefox logs |
| 03:48.45 | dabreegster | Ah, somebody bugrepported on the old -k7 about making the package description more clear. Makes sense now. |
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| 03:52.25 | Songtao | syslog.0 message.0 and kern.log.0 under my /var are too big, can i just rm them? |
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| 03:52.51 | markybob | Songtao, if by can you mean are you able to, then yes, you are |
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| 03:53.17 | Songtao | markybob, yes, i have the root right. |
| 03:54.14 | Songtao | markybob, i'm afraid that, it will do harm to system when i rm them. Can it? |
| 03:54.46 | dendrite | Songtao: The .0 files should no longer be open for update. ls -l /var/log/*.0 and note the dates of last update. |
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| 03:54.48 | markybob | Songtao, it wont harm it...you just wont have logs of what was happening to your system before. |
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| 03:55.25 | Songtao | markybob, i see, thanks a lot! |
| 03:56.03 | dendrite | Songtao: You might take a look, and make sure there's not a problem that's filling the logs. |
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| 03:56.24 | Songtao | dendrite, got it! |
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| 04:06.09 | cmdrk | Question, I've upgraded a box to the latest kernel via the sources from kernel.org and used the debian kernel installation stuff and now apparently iwconfig is gone in both the stable 2.6.18 kernel and the newer kernel |
| 04:06.52 | dendrite | cmdrk: Sounds like you need to build the corresponding wireless modules. |
| 04:07.17 | cmdrk | Okay. Is there any way I can just use the old iwconfig from the old kernel? |
| 04:07.36 | dendrite | cmdrk: But it's a bit odd that when you boot into the old kernel the wireless is still hosed... |
| 04:07.39 | cmdrk | The command is completely missing apparently. |
| 04:07.40 | cmdrk | yeah |
| 04:07.50 | markybob | iwconfig is part of wireless-tools |
| 04:07.52 | cmdrk | I've checked /sbin/ and it doesn't appear to be there. |
| 04:07.54 | markybob | just apt-get that |
| 04:08.37 | dendrite | cmdrk: Ah, when you said "gone" you MEANT it... |
| 04:08.40 | cmdrk | No net connection on that box other than wireless apparently. |
| 04:08.41 | cmdrk | Yep |
| 04:08.53 | markybob | then download the package on another computer |
| 04:09.00 | markybob | either way, download wireless-tools |
| 04:09.12 | dendrite | A kernel upgrade should NOT remove packages or userland programs... |
| 04:09.16 | cmdrk | yeah |
| 04:09.28 | markybob | yes, obviously he messed up or did something else and didnt realize |
| 04:10.40 | cmdrk | Apparently slocate/locate is gone too. Maybe my drive is just hosed |
| 04:10.41 | cmdrk | ? |
| 04:11.12 | markybob | cmdrk, mlocate package |
| 04:11.21 | cmdrk | mlocate fails as well |
| 04:11.30 | markybob | yes, i'm telling you to install the mlocate package |
| 04:11.51 | dendrite | cmdrk: Did something else happen along the way?? |
| 04:11.55 | markybob | obviously |
| 04:12.09 | markybob | he probably tried upgrading to sid or from etch to lenny and fucked things |
| 04:12.27 | dendrite | cmdrk: Rephrase: Did you *notice* something else along the way... |
| 04:13.45 | cmdrk | Sorry, I'm trying to troubleshoot it over the phone for my friend. When I installed the damn kernel, everything was fine. |
| 04:14.01 | dendrite | Bwa ha ha ha. |
| 04:14.03 | dendrite | *click* |
| 04:14.14 | cmdrk | Indeed |
| 04:14.29 | dendrite | I'm terribly sorry, did I just say that OUT LOUD?? =) |
| 04:15.23 | dendrite | Troubleshooting via phone may be even more annoying that via irc... |
| 04:16.51 | cmdrk | Indeed |
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| 04:21.10 | cmdrk | Well, thanks folks. I'll try to get this resolved |
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| 04:33.25 | aaron_ | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 04:33.27 | aaron_ | how come? |
| 04:34.04 | markybob | aaron_, aptitude install build-essential |
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| 04:36.52 | rhineheart_m | hello.. I got this warning error in using rkhunter: Please inspect: /dev/.static (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.initramfs (directory) [What does it mean? thanks.. |
| 04:39.35 | enouf | those dirs can't be stat'd |
| 04:40.13 | rhineheart_m | enouf, what do you mean? |
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| 04:42.12 | enouf | rhineheart_m: you need root/sudo/su perms |
| 04:43.07 | rhineheart_m | okay.. so you simply telling me that I need to disable root login? |
| 04:43.59 | enouf | no |
| 04:44.28 | rhineheart_m | ows.. please tell me what are you trying to say.. |
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| 04:46.10 | enouf | rkhunter can't enter those dirs, but i never used rkhunter |
| 04:46.58 | enouf | ~$ lsof | grep Xorg |
| 04:47.01 | enouf | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 04:48.46 | rhineheart_m | enouf, okay.. so what are you using instead |
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| 04:49.04 | enouf | nothing |
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| 04:49.22 | iateadonu1 | what's the command for the x configurator? |
| 04:50.21 | enouf | !drxx |
| 04:50.21 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 04:50.42 | enouf | or, if it;s broke; Xorg -configure |
| 04:55.27 | iateadonu1 | what are each of the terminals called on the command line linux. for example, what is ctrl-alt-F1 called? |
| 04:57.04 | markybob | iateadonu1, love 1 |
| 04:57.13 | iateadonu1 | what? |
| 04:57.41 | enouf | tty |
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| 05:01.59 | disposable | i know how to do double and triple spacing in a file with sed. but how do i insert an empty line after every two lines? |
| 05:02.48 | enouf | echo -e '\n' ? |
| 05:04.03 | enouf | #bash should be able to whip something up |
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| 05:04.47 | disposable | i can only do veeery simple bash scripts. no loops. |
| 05:05.15 | iateadonu1 | if i start up x in tty5, how come x starts in tty7, but tty5 is also in use, and then when i ctrl-alt-backspace tty7 is the same as tty5? |
| 05:05.17 | markybob | #regex would probably be more useful |
| 05:05.25 | markybob | as sed uses regex |
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| 05:06.07 | iateadonu1 | one of the unanswerable mysteries of life, i suppose. |
| 05:06.42 | disposable | enouf: actually loop would be the easiest thing here :) |
| 05:07.00 | disposable | enouf: knowing what to loop is the problem |
| 05:07.08 | enouf | i know |
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| 05:07.53 | enouf | iateadonu1: see /etc/inittab, vt7/tty7 is reserved or X server |
| 05:08.18 | enouf | iateadonu1: ps aux | grep tty , then do | grep pts |
| 05:08.31 | markybob | yes. and tty8 is usually used by xdm/kdm/gdm |
| 05:08.43 | enouf | er .. |
| 05:08.49 | enouf | not on debian, afaik |
| 05:09.03 | markybob | it is |
| 05:09.13 | enouf | i use kdm, no tty8 |
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| 05:10.17 | xtriz0x | http://unsecure-os.net |
| 05:10.23 | markybob | enouf, google tty8 kdm |
| 05:10.44 | enouf | markybob: dude, i use debian, no google |
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| 05:11.12 | disposable | enouf: he means that if in kde you select 'switch user' the new X will appear there |
| 05:11.21 | enouf | disposable: no |
| 05:12.13 | markybob | uh, yes. that's just how it works. just because you dont know doesnt mean it isnt the case |
| 05:12.18 | enouf | ~$ pi cat pstree.triple-KDE-Desktops |
| 05:12.21 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1027699 |
| 05:12.27 | enouf | prove it b0z0 |
| 05:12.35 | enouf | you can't |
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| 05:13.03 | markybob | i'm supposed to take someone seriously who calls people b0z0? nice |
| 05:13.33 | enouf | underhandedly calling someone ignorant is better? |
| 05:13.41 | enouf | + any ? |
| 05:13.51 | markybob | being ignorant isnt an insult. being stupid would be |
| 05:14.07 | hoxu | !enouf |
| 05:14.07 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 05:14.27 | enouf | markybob: but i'm not ignorant about this, ergo, you're wrong - and i just proved it |
| 05:14.56 | disposable | btw. inserting a black line after every two lines "sed n;n;G" |
| 05:15.02 | disposable | s/black/blank |
| 05:15.14 | hoxu | what's the ruckus about? |
| 05:15.21 | markybob | enouf, saying you've proved something means absolutely nothing, but feel free to keep living in your ignorance. there, now i've actually called you ignorant |
| 05:15.27 | enouf | disposable: i knew it'd be easy, once you found the right person to tell you simply ;-) |
| 05:15.46 | enouf | markybob: why can't you be a man and admit when you're wrong? |
| 05:15.52 | disposable | enouf: the person's google though |
| 05:16.04 | markybob | enouf, i can. this just isnt the case |
| 05:16.05 | hoxu | !marry enouf and markybob |
| 05:16.05 | dpkg | enouf, do you take markybob to be your lawfully wedded spouse? markybob, do you take enouf? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 05:16.32 | hoxu | what disposable said about kde's switch user is correct, what else are you guys confused about? :p |
| 05:16.39 | enouf | ok, well, lets agree to disagree - my pastebin speaks for itself |
| 05:17.08 | markybob | enouf, what's your standing? which software has your name on it? |
| 05:17.16 | enouf | it'll use whatever tty is NEXT, not 8 |
| 05:17.43 | enouf | if i have tty8 in /etc/inittab for a getty - guesss what happens? |
| 05:18.02 | enouf | yep .. wait for it ... 9! ;-) |
| 05:18.06 | disposable | hoxu: that was funny |
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| 05:18.14 | markybob | enouf, exactly. i'm the lead developer of deluge and shellter. you've got nothing |
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| 05:18.24 | billy12 | i broke ssh! |
| 05:18.32 | yigal | hah |
| 05:18.32 | enouf | markybob: doesn't make you correct |
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| 05:18.38 | billy12 | i `ssh-keygen` w/o deleting the old ones |
| 05:18.39 | hoxu | Why don't you guys drop it and go make some cookies instead? |
| 05:18.46 | enouf | markybob: and i have plenty |
| 05:18.55 | yigal | cookies are good |
| 05:18.57 | stew | markybob: so when you hit ctrl-alt-f8 you see one of kdm/gdm/xdm? |
| 05:19.01 | enouf | much more than bits and bytes |
| 05:19.12 | disposable | would like some cookies |
| 05:19.27 | billy12 | cookies are great, but how do i fix ssh |
| 05:19.42 | markybob | luckily for everyone else, i'm tired of this. see ya |
| 05:19.52 | hoxu | !bye markybob |
| 05:19.52 | dpkg | Cya, markybob |
| 05:19.55 | disposable | !give me cookies |
| 05:19.56 | dpkg | gives disposable cookies |
| 05:20.01 | spockboy | wow |
| 05:20.08 | spockboy | people are generally retarded |
| 05:20.16 | spockboy | the world is doomed. |
| 05:20.22 | stew | markybob: i've never seen tty8 used for xdm/gdm/kdm, on a debian system they'd normally start on tty7 since 6 vts are allocated |
| 05:20.25 | yigal | I'm retarded, but I have hope |
| 05:20.38 | hoxu | billy12, what's the actual problem? Any error messages? You aren't very specific :) |
| 05:20.41 | thedonvaughn | yigal: spockboy yup a few of them are cashiers at a walmart down the street. |
| 05:20.44 | thedonvaughn | all is not lost |
| 05:20.52 | billy12 | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
| 05:20.54 | yigal | probably because I'm retarded I have hope :) |
| 05:21.12 | Bakkal | L'espoir fait vivre |
| 05:21.14 | hoxu | billy12, you get that when you ssh out? |
| 05:21.18 | billy12 | no |
| 05:21.31 | billy12 | when i try to ssh in |
| 05:21.40 | thedonvaughn | billy12: start sshd in debug mode on server side. and ssh -vv from the client side. get an exact error |
| 05:21.40 | yigal | so bad, sorry to hear |
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| 05:21.47 | hoxu | billy12, tried -v or -vv or -vvv and so on to see what's going on? |
| 05:22.03 | stew | xdm/gdm/kdm would start on tty8 if you had started a 7th getty on tty7 or so, but otherwise no |
| 05:22.18 | billy12 | sec, its at another place |
| 05:23.05 | yigal | I've got my laptop to 64C running a program, I wonder if I can get it 70 |
| 05:23.59 | billy12 | *it |
| 05:24.39 | bleck | why would you ever use cpio instead of tar? |
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| 05:25.11 | Cope | How do I use grouping in awk? ie if I use () in a regexp how do I print what was matched in that group? like \1 in sed? |
| 05:25.28 | iateadonu1 | enlightening. |
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| 05:26.05 | disposable | yigal: my one went to 103 degrees. but you only find that in the logs post mortem. "Critical temperature reached (103 Celsius). Emergency shutdown." |
| 05:27.54 | iateadonu1 | æç¹æ¬ |
| 05:28.54 | yigal | disposable: :), mine usually oscillates at a nice cool 32-45C, but I'm finding roots, zeros, of a function for my m.s. thesis, it's fun to see it work, simple pleasures. |
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| 05:34.47 | Cope | stew: could you show me an example? I couldn't get it to work |
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| 05:39.56 | stew | Cope: oh, i guess you have to use gensub |
| 05:40.07 | stew | echo 'asdfqwer' | gawk '{b=gensub( "(.)", "\\1\\1\\1\\1", "G", $0 ); print b}' |
| 05:40.26 | Cope | ~$ echo "big fat cocks" | awk '/(fat)/ {print \1}' |
| 05:40.27 | Cope | awk: 1: unexpected character '\' |
| 05:40.52 | Cope | stew: ah ok; /me looks |
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| 05:55.38 | tweakism | I had a powerfailure during dpkg --configure and now I can't purge this half-installed package because its prerm script fails |
| 05:55.44 | tweakism | how can I force the issue? |
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| 05:57.14 | tweakism | mv's the script |
| 05:57.47 | tweakism | ok that worked |
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| 06:24.06 | Ryan52 | How do you make diagrams on the command line? (for printing) |
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| 06:27.28 | Guerin | Ryan52: using echo, -, =, \n, >, <, and | would be my idea :) |
| 06:27.37 | Guerin | possibly a few others |
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| 06:28.28 | Ryan52 | nvm. |
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| 06:32.37 | loftroffle | hey quick question, is there a command line tool that lets you search inside files? |
| 06:33.03 | streuner | grep? |
| 06:33.04 | spockboy | grep |
| 06:33.09 | loftroffle | :doh: |
| 06:33.35 | loftroffle | it's been a long day :3 |
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| 06:33.55 | enouf | wipe your nose |
| 06:34.01 | Wraukon | oi. |
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| 06:35.06 | enouf | :3 <== boogers coming out of your offset nostrils |
| 06:35.10 | rgsteele||home | Yeah. It has been a long day. |
| 06:35.18 | loftroffle | no that is a kitty XD |
| 06:35.26 | rgsteele||home | had a primary phone switch crap out yesterday, stretching in to today. |
| 06:35.43 | rgsteele||home | Luckily, the new one arrives tomorrow. I get to spend the holiday weekend configuring a phone cluster. |
| 06:35.45 | rgsteele||home | Yay. |
| 06:35.48 | enouf | here pussy pussy .. :-P |
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| 06:37.08 | rgsteele||home | enouf: Was it you I was talking with a week or two ago about my weird Sarge/CUPS/USB bus printer weirdness? |
| 06:37.35 | rgsteele||home | Turns out an upgrade to Etch fixed it. Must've been better kernel support for the USB bus interface. |
| 06:37.37 | Wraukon | why does hald play fuck-the-usb-ports with a kvm switch? |
| 06:38.13 | enouf | rgsteele||home: perhaps .. we did talk about something |
| 06:38.36 | rgsteele||home | enouf: Yeah, my memory of it is somewhat shoddy. I always end up here after 6+ beers. |
| 06:38.39 | rgsteele||home | :) |
| 06:39.03 | rgsteele||home | Well, that's when I always end up being productive here, anyways. |
| 06:39.25 | Wraukon | If I come up in single-user mode, I can use the switch just fine; once hald takes over, the system freezes or at the very least won't let me reattach after I detach. |
| 06:39.27 | enouf | so, What about Hal + Kill Bill == Kill Hal ? |
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| 06:39.47 | enouf | rgsteele||home: heh |
| 06:39.48 | Wraukon | arch is x86_64 (amd64 Athlon 64x2 or whatever the fuck). |
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| 06:40.37 | loftroffle | ok now what common linux function I forgot about tells me what the hell some really really bad php coder meant by putting a bunch of errors as... they're not even variables I don't know what the hell they are they just say str1 str2, etc. |
| 06:40.41 | loftroffle | D: |
| 06:41.19 | rgsteele||home | loftroffle: That question makes no sense to me. |
| 06:41.27 | rgsteele||home | Please rephrase, in proper English. |
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| 06:41.31 | loftroffle | you think I feel any better? D: |
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| 06:42.07 | loftroffle | not really asking a question really, just continually amazed at how bad this code I'm trying to fix up is |
| 06:42.26 | rgsteele||home | loftroffle: I suspect a pastebin would help us understand what you mean. But, if it's a PHP question specifically, try ##php |
| 06:42.37 | loftroffle | haha like I said not asking for help :) |
| 06:42.50 | loftroffle | just... e-banging my head on the desk :) |
| 06:43.36 | Wraukon | Okay, never mind about single-user mode sans hal. |
| 06:43.54 | Wraukon | Why does the kernel play fuck-the-usb-ports with a kvm switch? |
| 06:43.54 | XTZGZoReX | I have Debian installed in an ext3 partition and WinXP in a fat32 - can I access the Windows partition from Debian in any way? |
| 06:43.56 | loftroffle | function error1($title='Error',$msg='Could not select storage folder') { <---this is one of many good one-line examples of what I'm dealing with here :V |
| 06:44.01 | wols_ | ouch, nehalem will go minstrea (300-300$ range) in 4Q2009... looooong way off |
| 06:44.16 | vinc456 | how can i find out where the files from a package like diveintopython (a book) were installed on my system? |
| 06:44.20 | wols_ | !tell XTZGZoReX about vfatrw |
| 06:44.22 | rgsteele||home | Wraukon: Why is the sky blue? |
| 06:44.28 | wols_ | Wraukon: dpkg -L <package> |
| 06:44.30 | rgsteele||home | You've got to be more specific about your problem. |
| 06:44.51 | vinc456 | wols_: thanks |
| 06:45.04 | wols_ | damn, I'm really not awake yet |
| 06:45.17 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: I'm sorry but what dpkg said made no sense to me =X |
| 06:45.20 | rgsteele||home | wols_: I'm not really asleep yet. I think we're on the same level. |
| 06:45.25 | simonrvn | @wake up wols_ |
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| 06:45.31 | ravenbird | takes a syringe, an IV tube, and a pot of coffee, and plugs wols_ up with the direct-to-vein coffee IV. |
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| 06:46.39 | rgsteele||home | Caffeine won't work. You crash after an hour. |
| 06:46.47 | vinc456 | so i guess aptitude is not able to give similar information to dpkg -L then |
| 06:47.16 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: just mount the XP partition if it's not already mounted. see "mount" |
| 06:47.38 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: should that give write access to? |
| 06:47.51 | simonrvn | to what? |
| 06:47.55 | XTZGZoReX | the partition. |
| 06:48.02 | wols_ | yes. if you want write access for normal users see the factoid dpkg gave you |
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| 06:48.40 | XTZGZoReX | What do you mean by normal users? |
| 06:48.48 | rgsteele||home | XTZGZoReX: If it mounts it read-only, you can try remounting with 'mount -o remount,rw <mountpoint> |
| 06:48.50 | wols_ | normal user. not root |
| 06:48.51 | rgsteele||home | ' |
| 06:48.51 | XTZGZoReX | As in, other than root? |
| 06:48.54 | XTZGZoReX | Oh. |
| 06:49.10 | XTZGZoReX | Oh and yeah. |
| 06:49.27 | XTZGZoReX | I haven't used "mount" before, and I'm kind of scared of it .. :) - what would a command look like? |
| 06:49.35 | simonrvn | not system user, in a more general way |
| 06:49.39 | wols_ | man mount is a great first step |
| 06:49.44 | wols_ | !tell XTZGZoReX about grounding |
| 06:50.32 | simonrvn | mount -s -o -m -e -o -p -t -i -o -n /some/thing /else/goes/where? ;p |
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| 06:50.51 | wols_ | simonrvn: you are a meanie |
| 06:51.09 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
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| 06:51.31 | simonrvn | well, it would look like that, just not the real flags =) |
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| 06:53.23 | _apk | 'morning :)ù |
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| 06:53.43 | simonrvn | is that a beard or a typo? and hello |
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| 06:56.07 | bitweiler | hey how can i remove debian's /usr/bin/X && /usr/bin/X11, does it have a package name that will remove it? |
| 06:56.38 | Bakkal | xserver? |
| 06:56.57 | bitweiler | nods |
| 06:57.53 | bitweiler | Bakkal: yes if that is what /usr/bin/X is. |
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| 06:58.23 | Bakkal | let me just check something, I have a headless debian too |
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| 06:58.36 | bitweiler | is it bundle with some debian x11 package |
| 07:00.06 | Bakkal | I did an install without desktop environment, I don't the folders you want to remove, trying to find the name of the xserver package |
| 07:00.06 | Guerin | xserver-xorg |
| 07:00.15 | Bakkal | there you go |
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| 07:02.11 | Bakkal | I think xserver is the "virtual" package, you can try `apt-get remove xserver` or xserver-xorg |
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| 07:02.43 | Wraukon | okay, problem specifics. |
| 07:02.46 | simonrvn | xserver package doesn't exist |
| 07:02.51 | Wraukon | I have a 2-port kvm switch. |
| 07:02.58 | simonrvn | you want xorg |
| 07:03.10 | Bakkal | simonrvn: it's a virtual package |
| 07:03.21 | simonrvn | xorg is, xserver isn't |
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| 07:03.35 | Wraukon | The ports on the back of the box seem not to want to reconnect if I switch away using the kvm switch. |
| 07:03.47 | Bakkal | Package xserver is a virtual package provided by: xserver-xorg-core 2:1.1.1-21etch4 |
| 07:03.59 | Bakkal | plus other pgks |
| 07:04.02 | Wraukon | My beastie box handles it mostly fine (i.e. doesn't freeze or hang), although it loses my wscons settings... |
| 07:04.07 | simonrvn | ok, my bad |
| 07:04.29 | Wraukon | but the etch box (x86_64) ath64x2 is having problems. I don't know if it's mobo related or not. |
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| 07:05.12 | Bakkal | Wraukon: what's mobo? |
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| 07:06.08 | simonrvn | apt-cache is lame that way |
| 07:06.17 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 07:06.25 | Wraukon | Bakkal: you're not serious? |
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| 07:06.46 | Wraukon | MOtherBOard. |
| 07:07.05 | Bakkal | Wraukon: well, MB is more suitable, anyways... I didn't know |
| 07:07.15 | enouf | bitweiler: x11-common |
| 07:07.23 | simonrvn | i think s/he meant "what" not "what's", but i've been wrong all day |
| 07:07.54 | Bakkal | it's a he BTW, thanks |
| 07:08.40 | simonrvn | it's not like your gender sticks out in text mode UI ;) |
| 07:09.29 | Wraukon | MB == MegaByte. |
| 07:10.18 | Bakkal | I have a question, it is normal SSH being slow on a virtual remote machine? |
| 07:10.25 | simonrvn | enough with the acronym overloading eh? ;) |
| 07:10.39 | Wraukon | WWWTA? |
| 07:11.11 | simonrvn | Wraukon: as for your kvm issue, could be the usb bus not resetting when it detects a live circuit current on the plug? |
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| 07:11.22 | bitweiler | how can i get startx to run after a user logs in via console login |
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| 07:11.44 | Bakkal | bitweiler: automatically? |
| 07:11.54 | bitweiler | yes sir |
| 07:12.02 | Wraukon | put it in /etc/profile or some such, have it check for console. |
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| 07:14.38 | Bakkal | How can he check if it's being logged in through the console? |
| 07:14.49 | arooni-mobile | 1) how do i list total space left on all volumes? 2) how do i track down which directories have the biggest files (so i can get rid of them)? |
| 07:15.13 | bitweiler | but i need it to login the user out once they exit the window manager |
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| 07:16.45 | bitweiler | Wraukon: i have startx in my ~/.profile and it does nothing |
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| 07:17.03 | bitweiler | i manually have to type startx |
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| 07:18.38 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there some other way I can calculate _all_ dependencies to a package? I find grep-dctrl to difficult to use - it requires me to know certain information about the Maintainer or the like |
| 07:19.28 | bitweiler | Wraukon: how can i check to see if it's a console login |
| 07:20.18 | Bakkal | bitweiler: how did you put startx in the file? |
| 07:20.33 | arooni-mobile | is there a grpahical program to see disk usage? |
| 07:20.54 | bitweiler | Bakkal: startx (literally) |
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| 07:21.11 | Bakkal | arooni-mobile: there is, disk analyser or I dont remember what's called, it will give you an hierarchy view |
| 07:21.28 | Bakkal | bitweiler: I think to make it execute you have to put `startx` with the exact quotes |
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| 07:22.03 | Bakkal | not 'startx' but `startx` |
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| 07:22.45 | Jemt | Is it possible to do something like 'dpkg -i --pretend package.deb' ? That would revial missing dependencies without breaking my package manager |
| 07:23.12 | simonrvn | dpkg --audit |
| 07:23.12 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, simonrvn |
| 07:23.23 | arooni-mobile | 355Mlog ...... can i blow away my files in log? |
| 07:23.41 | simonrvn | use logrotate |
| 07:23.43 | bitweiler | Bakkal: `startx` works if i login && source .profile, but not when i log in |
| 07:23.48 | arooni-mobile | simonrvn, how ? |
| 07:24.06 | Bakkal | bitweiler: I don't understand |
| 07:24.20 | simonrvn | first, install it |
| 07:24.27 | arooni-mobile | ok done |
| 07:24.42 | bitweiler | source ~/.profile = it starts the xserver |
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| 07:25.05 | bitweiler | with `startx` within .profile file |
| 07:25.10 | Jemt | Ah, --simulate :D |
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| 07:25.28 | peterrooney | bitweiler: from the man page: When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable. |
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| 07:26.04 | peterrooney | bitweiler: perhaps your bash login shell may not be reaching .profile ? |
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| 07:28.11 | bitweiler | peterrooney: seems so ~/.bash_profile works like a charm ;) |
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| 07:28.33 | peterrooney | bitweiler: glad to help. |
| 07:28.53 | PiousMinion | Anyone know of any projects that attempt to set a consistent look for debian themes other than DebBlue? |
| 07:29.29 | bitweiler | peterrooney: one more thing, how can i get it to log the user out once the wm is exited? |
| 07:29.46 | bitweiler | s/log/logout/ |
| 07:32.34 | peterrooney | bitweiler: perhaps use the exec builtin, or an exit at the end of your ._bash_profile. ALSO: be sure to check for the DISPLAY environment variable both before calling startx and before calling the exit. |
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| 07:38.43 | gerald | how do you fix a corrupt smbpasswd database?? |
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| 07:53.57 | cafuego | gerald: use your backups |
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| 08:00.36 | [[[DiMa_]]] | hi |
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| 08:02.02 | gerald | cafuego: don't have any :D |
| 08:02.12 | gerald | or don't know where to look |
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| 08:04.02 | cafuego | Well, isn't this a valuieble lesson then ;-) |
| 08:04.02 | karmatronic | hi guys |
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| 08:04.30 | karmatronic | is it possible to use apt-get and still to install in /opt or /srv ? |
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| 08:04.56 | karmatronic | can you buy an iphone without a tel contract in the US? |
| 08:04.58 | mxmx | hi, whats the command to change write permisisons for root user? |
| 08:05.21 | cafuego | karmatronic: from ebay, sure |
| 08:05.32 | cafuego | mxmx: chmod, as per usual |
| 08:05.40 | cafuego | karmatronic: Yes, but. |
| 08:05.56 | mxmx | ok |
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| 08:07.58 | mxmx | ugh i hate awstats |
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| 08:09.19 | cafuego | mxmx: google alaytics could be your friend |
| 08:09.22 | cafuego | analytics even |
| 08:10.54 | mxmx | hm |
| 08:11.13 | mxmx | not possible ;/ |
| 08:11.26 | mxmx | i us e a free scripton my site that already has google analytics in it |
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| 08:21.36 | Bushmills | mxmx: you can't restrict file write access for root with chmod |
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| 08:21.47 | Bushmills | root is allmighty |
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| 08:22.26 | Bushmills | but you can restrict writes for anyone including root, if that would do |
| 08:22.38 | Bushmills | (on ext2/ext3) |
| 08:22.39 | cafuego | Bushmills: chattr +i says otheriwse ;-) |
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| 08:23.10 | Bushmills | cafuego: that's what i was about to say |
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| 08:23.24 | cafuego | Or you know, mount read-only |
| 08:24.08 | Bushmills | probably not fine-grained enough |
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| 08:25.45 | Bushmills | (still, root has the power to undo either unless kernel capabilities removed) |
| 08:27.09 | Bushmills | oh. another way - encfs. |
| 08:27.29 | Bushmills | an restrict access to root, incl writes, but allows user. |
| 08:27.45 | Bushmills | can |
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| 08:28.18 | hoxu | google analytics is fine if you neither want to see the data nor own it |
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| 08:28.51 | hoxu | work in process replacement for GA: http://piwik.org/ |
| 08:29.14 | flokuehn | what is the name for creating pictures like this i get when tyzping apt-get moo _ |
| 08:29.18 | flokuehn | ? |
| 08:29.29 | flokuehn | for the programm |
| 08:29.33 | hoxu | flokuehn, cowsay? |
| 08:29.51 | flokuehn | hoxu: thank you. i didnt know |
| 08:30.07 | simonrvn | cowsay and figlets ;) (weeee) |
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| 08:31.11 | mxmx | agh |
| 08:31.25 | mxmx | i have webalizer isntalled but it donest show up in my control panel |
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| 08:31.32 | mxmx | anone know how to access it via browser? |
| 08:31.53 | Bushmills | control panel? |
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| 08:32.08 | cafuego | Depends on where it's set to store it's processed stats. |
| 08:32.18 | cafuego | It's not a cgi script |
| 08:32.20 | mxmx | its not in the root |
| 08:32.28 | mxmx | acuatly its in the rut |
| 08:32.35 | mxmx | rooot no in the public html |
| 08:32.38 | titii | Hello friends, I would like to ask you about dynamic world IP (visible from internet) maintenance with other primary server. I have a server with apache and so on. There is fact my friend has configured my DNS for my domains in his server, where is the redirecting(bridge) into my servers IP. I have the apache virtual hosts and so on also configured as well. The question is, I have possibility to c |
| 08:32.39 | cafuego | pokes simonrvn |
| 08:32.39 | mxmx | *not |
| 08:32.39 | titii | hange better internet connection but there is not fixed IP, it is changing every day. Can he somehow set the dynamic IP for redirecting into my server? are you clear? Can you help? Thank you. |
| 08:33.00 | mxmx | thta alot to read |
| 08:33.23 | mxmx | its in a directory called "stats" |
| 08:33.30 | mxmx | but ther eis no html file |
| 08:33.33 | cafuego | titii: The DNS system allows for dynamic updates, yes. bind9 comes with 'nsupdate'. |
| 08:33.43 | mxmx | hmm there is |
| 08:33.56 | cafuego | mxmx: There won't be data if it's not configured to run. And nit normally runs once a day. |
| 08:34.09 | Bushmills | titii: ez-ipupdate. or, route a static address froma subnet on a server through iptables and a tunnel (openvpn, maybe) to your dynamic box - gives you a static ip adress... |
| 08:34.13 | mxmx | it has a 7 meg file |
| 08:34.20 | titii | cafuego so the configurations has to be set on her server? |
| 08:34.25 | mxmx | it's been updating |
| 08:34.33 | simonrvn | cafuego: hi |
| 08:35.02 | Bushmills | titii: in the first case, look at dns C records to give dynamic site a name if name updates are done by other than your dns |
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| 08:36.33 | cafuego | titii: With the correct configuration you can send update commands to her server. |
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| 08:36.44 | cafuego | titii: ... so you can update it whenever your IP changes. |
| 08:36.52 | titii | Bushmills ooo sorry I am not clear about that. I am not server specialized, have I ask to something my provier? Or my friend where I am going from? |
| 08:37.25 | Bushmills | titii: a provider is unlikely to do the latter for you. a friend more so. |
| 08:37.36 | simonrvn | waves, "later" |
| 08:37.41 | cafuego | seeya dude |
| 08:38.29 | mxmx | i remember installing webalizer via directadmin |
| 08:38.45 | mxmx | asa plugin but it never showed up in the list |
| 08:39.01 | Bushmills | mxmx: what distribution is that? |
| 08:39.37 | cafuego | hosted on XYZ hosting |
| 08:39.38 | titii | Bushmills but is not there a possibility to restrict that solution in all the way by internet provider? Can he influence the working of that? |
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| 08:39.44 | mxmx | debian 4.0 |
| 08:40.19 | Bushmills | titii: no. not proctically. theoretically yes but then he had to be *very* restrictive. |
| 08:40.28 | mxmx | when i installed awstats it showup up in the options and made a directiory within the public_html |
| 08:40.56 | cafuego | mxmx: webalizer needs to be configured like i said |
| 08:41.01 | Bushmills | titii: that kind of restrictive that you could probably sue him for not delivering the service you pay for. |
| 08:41.03 | mxmx | but awstats stopped workign andi cant get it to update manually, i jsut get a interneal serveer error |
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| 08:41.50 | Bushmills | titii: tunneling is fun |
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| 08:42.10 | titii | Bushmills can I do it in all the way? |
| 08:42.25 | Bushmills | "in all the way"? |
| 08:43.56 | cafuego | mxmx: Internal Server Error means there is an entry in the apache error log you need to look at. |
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| 08:44.47 | Bushmills | titii: one of the effects would be that provider would not even know what kind of services are offered by your dynamic ip machine. |
| 08:45.20 | Bushmills | and on the other hand, would not know that your static address is in fact the dynamic machine |
| 08:46.19 | titii | Bushmills so it is all the way clear |
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| 08:46.31 | Bushmills | problem is, you depend on aid by a friend. had you the same means, you'd not need this. |
| 08:46.52 | mxmx | where is hat log locate d usually? |
| 08:47.38 | wols_ | all logs are in /var/log |
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| 08:48.11 | titii | Bushmills wa can say my friend do it, it is one time configuration, so it shouldt be the problem |
| 08:48.49 | mxmx | ET /CMD_PLUGINS/awstats HTTP/1.1admin |
| 08:49.59 | Bushmills | titii: so what your friend needs is: a dedicated server, and a subnet big enough that he can spare an ip address. |
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| 08:50.45 | Bushmills | what both of you need is traffic allowance high enough that the added traffic to your dynamic machine is irrelevant. |
| 08:51.19 | Bushmills | rest is software and configuration |
| 08:52.05 | titii | Bushmills is configuration dificult? |
| 08:52.11 | Bushmills | titii: no. |
| 08:52.22 | Bushmills | though "difficult" is relative, of course |
| 08:52.48 | Bushmills | i suppose setting up the tunnel is the most difficult part |
| 08:53.18 | titii | Bushmills Ok, yea it is :), ok, so the previous 3 messages should be ok, if I sent to him, what I need? Or what I have to tell him? |
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| 08:54.20 | titii | Bushmills I would like to know what need he to install on her/my server, and what to configure in short |
| 08:54.31 | Bushmills | if he;s savvy enough, he knows what to do already when you describe to him what you want. |
| 08:55.04 | mxmx | what does this mean? |
| 08:55.06 | mxmx | [2008-05-24 02:25:49]: uid: (1002/admin) gid: (112/112) cmd: awstats.pl |
| 08:55.14 | Bushmills | if he needs control panels you might have to tell him yourself :) |
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| 09:00.03 | Bushmills | titii: oh sorry, i missed the 2nd part. |
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| 09:00.59 | Gryfelhas | Good morning. Any hints for a (easy to understand) manual, that descripes booting debian (or linux at all) ? (Prefer a paper Version) |
| 09:01.00 | Bushmills | you need essentially just one end of the tunnel. your friend needs the other end of the tunnel, and a redirection mechanism. |
| 09:01.32 | Bushmills | Bushmills: one practical solution could use openvpn as tunnel, and iptables for redirection. |
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| 09:02.45 | titii | Bushmills. Ok. So is this clear? "So what your friend needs is: a dedicated server, and a subnet big enough that he can spare an ip address. What both of you need is traffic allowance high enough that the added traffic to your dynamic machine is irrelevant. You need essentially just one end of the tunnel. your friend needs the other end of the tunnel, and a redirection mechanism." |
| 09:02.55 | Bushmills | the SNAT or DNAT target with iptables would do. |
| 09:03.33 | titii | Bushmills me? |
| 09:03.42 | titii | the last message is 4 me? |
| 09:03.49 | Bushmills | titii: sorry you ask somebody biased. it is clear to me after all i wrote it :) |
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| 09:04.03 | Bushmills | yes, all for you |
| 09:05.09 | titii | Bushmills I just repeat the instruments you wrote, if it is sufficient |
| 09:05.19 | titii | to tell him |
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| 09:08.12 | xushi | hi all |
| 09:08.30 | xushi | i have a share folder. Everytime a user creates anything, it's permission is set to drwxr-xr-x, and the other users can't add/delete even if they're in the same group. How can i permanently make sure everything is set to 755 when they create? |
| 09:08.42 | xushi | is it `chmod -R 2755 *` ? |
| 09:09.00 | Bushmills | be aware that, if you are behind a router with firewall, that tunnel would transport all services right through your router, the firewall is ineffective. you;d need to firewall it on you dynamic machine. but that's probably an advantage. |
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| 09:11.49 | Bushmills | xushi: man umask |
| 09:12.32 | Bushmills | xushi: no. forget that. won't help |
| 09:12.38 | xushi | hehe |
| 09:12.47 | xushi | i thought the 2 up there was for the umask |
| 09:14.19 | Bushmills | that;s the guid bit. i suppose you want the sticky bit which is 1xxx |
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| 09:14.47 | Zeit|awy | if you umask to group writeable and all users are in the same group - samba? nfs? atalk? |
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| 09:15.15 | xushi | nfs and samba, yes |
| 09:15.27 | xushi | i'll give it a shot, see if it does the trick |
| 09:15.30 | Bushmills | xushi: ehm no again to what i said. |
| 09:15.34 | xushi | oh |
| 09:15.37 | xushi | then what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:15.51 | Bushmills | no, i tell you wrong things, |
| 09:16.39 | Bushmills | stickyness on dirs is for delete restrictions |
| 09:17.11 | Zeit|awy | umask ti group writeable and get all users in the same group |
| 09:17.35 | Zeit|awy | some server have inherit permission of parent folders, like OS X |
| 09:17.49 | xushi | how do i umask the group in the command line? |
| 09:18.05 | Zeit|awy | set the umaks in the smb.conf afair |
| 09:18.17 | xushi | that's still a problem for the others that are on nfs |
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| 09:18.42 | Bushmills | xushi: umask 007 for exampe |
| 09:18.43 | Bushmills | le |
| 09:19.00 | Jemt | I'm trying to backport Xorg 7.3 from Testing. I'm running into "looping" dependency problems though. Package X depends on package Y that pendends on package Z that depends on package X. How do I solve this ? |
| 09:19.06 | Zeit|awy | nfs should have a simular option don't remember |
| 09:19.40 | xushi | so `umask 007 share/ && chmod -R 2775 share/` together? or just the first one? |
| 09:19.41 | Bushmills | means, no permission bits removed from owner and group, all removed from world |
| 09:20.47 | Zeit|awy | check for create mask & force create mask & create mode in smb.conf |
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| 09:21.08 | Zeit|awy | for nfs - no idea, haven't used it lately |
| 09:21.15 | Bushmills | you'd not use them together like this. umask has an effect as long as the environment remains. chmod -R is a one-off operation |
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| 09:21.53 | xushi | Bushmills: yea, but i thought of using chmod -R to fix the bad permissions first, then use umask on the environment |
| 09:22.10 | wols_ | Jemt: install tem all at once |
| 09:22.16 | xushi | Zeit|awy: i was kinda talking about globally, including nfs, locally, samba, etc... |
| 09:22.24 | xushi | i mean not restricted to one method of transfer |
| 09:22.34 | Jemt | wols_, Ah, of course. Don't know why I didn't think of that :) |
| 09:22.34 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 09:22.47 | Waistless | hi, is there a way in debian I can mount my NTFS partitions using the GUI? The problem the thing needs root access to mount them, and nautilus doesn't prompt for a password so I can't mount. I'd prefer not to have to use the CLI every time. |
| 09:23.02 | Zeit|awy | won't work I guess xushi, most server have those options in their configs |
| 09:23.18 | xushi | i'm sure i got it to work one time... i just can't remember how |
| 09:24.06 | Zeit|awy | you can set umasks to mountpoints too, but not sure, never used it |
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| 09:26.49 | Zeit|awy | xushi: check out http://ultrahigh.org/2008/02/15/making-a-shared-data-folder-in-linux/ |
| 09:27.22 | Bushmills | xushi: i remember me setting an export to all_squash once, resulting in anybody accessing that nfs export doing so as same user. |
| 09:27.39 | Bushmills | also on a shared folder |
| 09:27.48 | xushi | thanks, will check it in a moment |
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| 09:29.35 | yang | which web analyzer can someone recommend, there are several to choose from... |
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| 09:30.05 | Bushmills | yang, awffull, a fork of webalizer, maybe |
| 09:30.30 | Bushmills | (that one generates html files and graphics) |
| 09:31.03 | yang | Bushmills: do you know if it supports several vhosts? |
| 09:31.10 | Bushmills | yang, yes, it does. |
| 09:31.19 | yang | thanks |
| 09:31.24 | Bushmills | just have one log file per vhosts |
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| 09:32.09 | Bushmills | yang, and you could think about this setup (doesn't come default though): |
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| 09:34.03 | Bushmills | from crontab, at log analyze time, let cronjob look through apache virtual host files, scan for a (commented out) directive like "# log analyze" or such. when found, generated a transient config file for that vhost, using the log file path from the vhost file. generate analyze date. repeat for all vhosts. |
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| 09:34.41 | Bushmills | makes turning on/off log analyzer per vhost as easy as adding / removing a commentto the vhost file. |
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| 09:35.37 | yang | Bushmills: ok |
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| 09:36.18 | Bushmills | reduces admin overhead a lot, esoecially with many, or often changing, virtual web domains. |
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| 09:52.02 | cast | can someone remind me how to make my cfdisk changes become visible on /dev |
| 09:52.25 | cast | oh..sec |
| 09:53.18 | cast | nvm :) |
| 09:53.47 | Sling | sometimes just asking the question makes you realise the answer :) |
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| 09:55.31 | cast | yeah...that i forgot to go 'write' in cfdisk |
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| 09:56.19 | slxix | don't give away your secrets. :) |
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| 09:56.48 | cast | oh don't worry, i've filled a patent on that |
| 09:56.52 | g0to | hello there! |
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| 09:57.19 | Gryfelhas | Hi g0to |
| 09:57.31 | xushi | argh, i can't even get samba to correctly allow a windows user to write to a share directory |
| 09:57.45 | xushi | i have security = share, with 775 permisions, and still i get permissio denied |
| 09:58.22 | xushi | http://pastebin.ca/1027803 |
| 09:58.30 | g0to | I'm trying to install a fresh Lenny on a VMWare machine but disks problems are gaoing me crazy |
| 09:58.39 | xushi | everything in /mnt/hd7 is chmod 775 |
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| 09:59.50 | g0to | I don't know how enter kernel load commands on install boot |
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| 10:03.44 | slxix | xushi: is it read only? |
| 10:03.52 | xushi | it's read/write |
| 10:04.04 | xushi | or at least should be with 775 |
| 10:04.13 | xushi | erm, 755 |
| 10:04.48 | xushi | hang on, am i supposed to be using 755 or 775? |
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| 10:06.21 | xushi | eitherway, tried 775 now and still the same problem. i can read but not write |
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| 10:07.22 | mkrist | xushi, could you paste the output of "ls -l dir/"? |
| 10:07.42 | xushi | sure |
| 10:07.56 | mkrist | hm wait |
| 10:08.03 | mkrist | "ls -ld dir/" is what I mean I think |
| 10:08.17 | mkrist | yep |
| 10:08.19 | xushi | drwxrwxr-x 6 xushi users 4096 2008-05-24 18:30 hd7/ |
| 10:08.53 | xushi | just in case, i added user `helen` to the users group, which is the user on windows... |
| 10:08.53 | mkrist | and this is actually the directory that the Windows user is tring to write to? |
| 10:09.05 | xushi | yes, this one and/or any of it's subdirectories too |
| 10:09.37 | xushi | ./dev/sdb1 /mnt/hd7 ext3 rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 10:10.17 | mkrist | Maybe there is a setting in samba to disallow write? |
| 10:10.26 | mkrist | or something |
| 10:10.38 | mkrist | I havn't used samba for ages |
| 10:10.46 | xushi | well, samba always confuses me , but i tried to make sure it gives write access, even to guest, http://pastebin.ca/1027803 |
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| 10:11.24 | mkrist | Does samba keep an access log or something? |
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| 10:11.41 | slxix | a google search suggests changing the owner of the file to 'nobody' |
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| 10:12.19 | xushi | slxix: this is a problem, because anyone else who creates a file/folder on nfs, samba, or locally, will have that set to group users |
| 10:12.37 | slxix | the other suggestion was file mask 0777 .. :) |
| 10:13.09 | xushi | i don't see the difference between 0775 and 0777, since all the users are or should be in the same group |
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| 10:13.53 | xushi | aha, |
| 10:14.16 | xushi | 1 sec, let me just confirm the other machine's ip address |
| 10:14.17 | slxix | is the program running the samba server in that group? (is it run by 'nobody'?) |
| 10:15.20 | xushi | http://pastebin.ca/1027809 |
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| 10:15.27 | xushi | here is part of the log for samba, for that XP machine |
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| 10:17.08 | xushi | i'm going to try and change the guest account, maybe that would solve it |
| 10:17.15 | xushi | either that, or add nobody to the group |
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| 10:21.57 | xushi | right.. |
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| 10:22.17 | xushi | trying it on my xp on vmware works flawlesly (read/write, etc)... trying it on the XP laptop still gives me access denied |
| 10:22.18 | xushi | to write |
| 10:22.45 | xushi | i'm about to pull my hair |
| 10:23.00 | mkrist | :( |
| 10:23.04 | mkrist | That sounds weird |
| 10:23.18 | slxix | well.. are they logging in differently? |
| 10:23.38 | xushi | nope, just a standard install of xp |
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| 10:28.46 | xushi | woohoo! fixed |
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| 10:29.15 | xushi | changed the guest account in smb.conf from user nobody to user helen, which is created locally and assigned to the users group |
| 10:29.22 | xushi | restarted samba, and both work now.. |
| 10:29.27 | xushi | finally! hehe, 1 problem down |
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| 10:29.36 | xushi | slxix: thanks for being patient :) |
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| 10:31.24 | slxix | yes, and i'll wait even longer if it means the other problems will be fixed, too. |
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| 10:33.07 | Waistless | how do you mount a ntfs partition using nautilus instead of the CLI? (easier for me to manage it there), it requires me to be root, but if I use sudo nautilus then the drives no longer show up so I can mount |
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| 10:33.23 | Waistless | can't mount* |
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| 10:35.54 | liable | Waistless: are these pluggable drives, or ? |
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| 10:36.18 | Waistless | they're ntfs partitions on the SATA drive debian is running |
| 10:36.55 | liable | Waistless: if you want them mounted all the time, just put them in fstab |
| 10:37.08 | liable | Waistless: then they will be mounted at boot time |
| 10:38.29 | Waistless | I guess, pity nautilus will never prompt me for root access on something I can't do :( |
| 10:39.19 | liable | try a gnome channel, they may be more helpfull if you want nautilas to do it, but fstab is the best way if they are permanent |
| 10:39.37 | slxix | Or add it to fstab, but don't auto mount it and add the 'user' option. |
| 10:40.09 | Waistless | I see.. thanks :) |
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| 10:43.25 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 10:44.14 | robboplus | is it possible to "recover" memory lost due to some app that is leaking it? |
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| 10:44.38 | Lethalman | hello |
| 10:44.46 | Lethalman | apt-get source binutils says it can't find the sources |
| 10:45.00 | Lethalman | E: Unable to find a source package for binutils |
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| 10:45.12 | sigius | In debian how am I supposed to see which services have been started using '/etc/init.d/service start' |
| 10:45.50 | ^shark_ | !tell binutils |
| 10:45.57 | jelly-home | robboplus: what sort of memory leak is it? If it just allocates more private res, restart the app. |
| 10:46.44 | jelly-home | robboplus: if it's leaking SHM, kill it, use ipcs and ipcrm to delete unused shared memory segments |
| 10:46.46 | abrotman | Lethalman: do you have deb-src sources? |
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| 10:46.56 | ^shark_ | <sigius> look in /var/log/syslog |
| 10:47.32 | robboplus | jelly-home thing is that i don't want to kill that app (which would definetly sort out the prob immediately) and just take the leaked mem back in some way, at least that was possible on winbloze afaik |
| 10:48.06 | robboplus | not sure how it works on linux, probably no way to take back private mem without killing app, aye? |
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| 10:49.03 | jelly-home | robboplus: that makes no sense to me, if a process is using some address space, you can't "take it back" |
| 10:49.09 | Lethalman | abrotman, yes |
| 10:49.16 | Lethalman | abrotman, i can fetch other sources but binutils |
| 10:49.17 | slxix | jelly-home: i wouldn't argue with that logic. :) |
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| 10:50.12 | robboplus | jelly-home but perhaps i could optimise it at least? |
| 10:50.13 | jelly-home | robboplus: kill and restart, that's how I deal with mine |
| 10:50.27 | jelly-home | robboplus: perhaps you could find the bug |
| 10:50.35 | robboplus | there are many :) |
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| 10:50.41 | slxix | perhaps the memory is free and nobody has taken it yet? |
| 10:50.50 | jelly-home | robboplus: use a less leaking app |
| 10:51.02 | abrotman | Lethalman: paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 10:51.23 | sigius | ^shark_, and look for what exactly ? |
| 10:51.25 | slxix | robboplus: how do you know this process has a memory leak? |
| 10:52.10 | Lethalman | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/4xqe7H20.html |
| 10:52.14 | abrotman | sigius: look in /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 10:52.38 | jelly-home | slxix: it's named firefox-bin :-D |
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| 10:53.04 | abrotman | Lethalman: dpkg -l binutils | tail -1 .. paste it here |
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| 10:53.17 | abrotman | Lethalman: and are you doing pinning ? |
| 10:53.37 | Lethalman | abrotman, I modified apt.conf to use testing as default |
| 10:53.39 | Lethalman | not preferences |
| 10:53.48 | Lethalman | abrotman, ii binutils 2.18.1~cvs20080103-4+b1 The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities |
| 10:54.03 | sigius | abrotman, ^shark_, what I want to find is which services have been started. And preferably which have been started by the /etc/init.d scripts |
| 10:54.17 | abrotman | i already told you |
| 10:55.10 | abrotman | Lethalman: so you just use all the versions of debian in your sources .. because you think it's cool ? |
| 10:55.28 | Lethalman | abrotman, because sometimes i need stable or unstable |
| 10:55.38 | Lethalman | but i'm on testing by default |
| 10:55.46 | Lethalman | ah |
| 10:55.50 | Lethalman | of sources not |
| 10:55.57 | abrotman | Lethalman: i'm using testing on i386 .. and apt-get source binutils works just fine for me |
| 10:56.08 | Lethalman | do you have deb-src only for testing? |
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| 10:56.16 | abrotman | because i'm sane ? |
| 10:56.23 | Lethalman | it's a question |
| 10:56.25 | abrotman | the same version of binutils is in testing and sid currently |
| 10:56.38 | abrotman | for amd64 andyways |
| 10:56.42 | Lethalman | do you have deb-src only for testing? |
| 10:56.48 | abrotman | yes, because i'm sane |
| 10:57.09 | abrotman | Lethalman: can you get it from packages.debian.org ? |
| 10:57.17 | linuxguy | lol @abrotman..thats a good one |
| 10:57.23 | Lethalman | bye |
| 10:57.35 | abrotman | that was useless |
| 10:57.54 | jelly-home | I guess apt-get ... foo=version isn't good enough for some |
| 10:58.02 | abrotman | he was doing the source |
| 10:58.10 | abrotman | the amd64 version is different than all other versions |
| 10:58.17 | jelly-home | WHERE "..." LIKE "source" |
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| 10:58.56 | abrotman | it should have gotten one no matter what .. he couldn't get any |
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| 11:04.29 | peleg | weird: I got this mail - Sat May 24 12:00 1155/6863469 Cron <peleg@dell> alarm freeall (system mail; which is now) and indeed, the command "alarm freeall" was executed. but: crontab -l shows this line: " 00 09 * * * alarm freeall", and there is no other line with "alarm freeall" in it... |
| 11:04.37 | sigius | abrotman, maybe I am misunderstanding you, but looking into /etc/rc?.d will not tell me if the service apache (for example) has been started |
| 11:04.39 | peleg | maybe cron does not know the time now? |
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| 11:05.06 | abrotman | sigius: /etc/rc2.d/S45apache2 ? |
| 11:05.20 | abrotman | sigius: there is no tool to print out a list of running services |
| 11:05.36 | rewired | hi guys, i have a question relating to debian packages. is there a place on the web where older packages are stored (im looking for libc6-2.5-5/2.6-1 to fix a broken install) thanks for your help |
| 11:05.55 | wols_ | !sdn |
| 11:05.55 | dpkg | from memory, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 11:06.04 | peleg | Does cron have a problem to start one process before the first one has stopped? |
| 11:07.08 | sigius | abrotman, at first answer: the script will tell me if the apache was started at boot, which is not what I want., at second answer: ok, too bad , thanks |
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| 11:12.13 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:12.22 | Dr_Jazz | good morning |
| 11:12.47 | Dr_Jazz | is there any status on doing a 4.0r4? with a slightly newer kernel? |
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| 11:12.57 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 11:12.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
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| 11:13.42 | Jabka | how can i make hotkeys run after login (/etc/profile didn't help) |
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| 11:14.01 | Dr_Jazz | abrotman, yes, that I know, I was thinking more of an estimate on date ? :) |
| 11:14.26 | abrotman | WIR ? |
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| 11:14.39 | abrotman | !tell Jabka about run at startup |
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| 11:15.06 | mutante | Jabka: maybe check if /etc/bash.bashrc is sourced in /etc/profile |
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| 11:15.23 | Nyle | Dr_Jazz, whenever it is ready I suppose, WIR, meaning, we don't know |
| 11:15.46 | Jabka | abortman - thank you , but the problem is that init.d scripts runs as root |
| 11:15.54 | abrotman | and? |
| 11:15.58 | Jabka | and hotkeys should be run as normal user |
| 11:16.04 | abrotman | man su |
| 11:16.18 | abrotman | you want it to run at login? or bootup ? |
| 11:16.26 | Nyle | login he said |
| 11:16.29 | Dr_Jazz | Nyle, yes, i am split between wanting a newer kernel and not wanting to build kernels any longer, it is such a hassle :) |
| 11:16.32 | Kamaze | Hello, when i put a module on the blacklist, i have to rebould the inird, or? |
| 11:16.36 | abrotman | yes, i read that .. thanks geniusboy |
| 11:16.45 | Nyle | Dr_Jazz, it is actually a piece of cake |
| 11:16.46 | Jabka | at login , i addded to profile but it didn't work (but was in memory) |
| 11:16.52 | Dr_Jazz | Nyle, i know |
| 11:16.54 | mutante | Dr_Jazz: installing kernel via apt-get? |
| 11:16.55 | Nyle | thats why you were asking, geniusboy... |
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| 11:17.18 | Dr_Jazz | Nyle, it's the constant having to builds new ones, it much easier getting it from the apt |
| 11:17.25 | abrotman | Jabka: and how are you logging in |
| 11:17.38 | Jabka | hmm , kdm |
| 11:17.46 | abrotman | just decides Nyle is a useless bag of water |
| 11:17.46 | Nyle | Dr_Jazz, while that is true, given only 2 hours or less depending on your machine really, you can build a kernel very easily |
| 11:17.53 | Nyle | just shut the fuck up |
| 11:17.57 | abrotman | cry |
| 11:18.01 | Jabka | this will not work in tty |
| 11:18.02 | Nyle | i don't give a rats ass if you're op |
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| 11:18.06 | Nyle | get the FUCK off my dick |
| 11:18.16 | abrotman | Jabka: kde (i believe) has a method to start applications upon login |
| 11:18.29 | Dr_Jazz | Nyle, yes make-kpkg is very nice, and itøs not a matter of being able to, it just i'd rather get them from debian than roll my own |
| 11:18.44 | Dr_Jazz | anyways thank you for the time |
| 11:18.45 | streuner | Nyle: How about to use ignore? |
| 11:18.52 | Nyle | Dr_Jazz, yeh, I feel ya |
| 11:19.02 | Jabka | am searching for a more system wide solutione (for kdm or gdm or whatever... ) |
| 11:19.05 | Nyle | Dr_Jazz, I'm not patient enough to wait for kernel builds I'f I'm gonna be on my pc ;) |
| 11:19.10 | abrotman | Jabka: the /etc/profile is for interactive logins .. not kdm |
| 11:19.10 | Nyle | I usually let it run and leave |
| 11:19.32 | Dr_Jazz | Nyle, just got new hw, so i dig that anyways. i need to go shopping :) |
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| 11:19.40 | Nyle | streuner, why not tell him to act like a responsible op and not instigate shit... |
| 11:19.54 | abrotman | why not tell him to act like an adult! |
| 11:19.58 | Nyle | yes |
| 11:20.00 | Nyle | please do |
| 11:20.04 | Nyle | you need to, really bad |
| 11:20.08 | streuner | Nyle: the problem existed before he become a OP... |
| 11:20.20 | Nyle | but now that should change |
| 11:20.21 | Jabka | abrotman , oo i miss understood then - what login type i need to search then |
| 11:20.22 | Jabka | ? |
| 11:20.22 | abrotman | streuner: stop with logic .. you cannot defeat him! |
| 11:20.30 | Bushmills | including etchnhalf, there are about 4 variants of debian for an arch, not counting oldstable and experimental. if that number goes above 10, one might think of a stableness threshold instead, say, experimental is 0, and stable 100. version choice would not be "stable, testing, unstable" then but an arbitrary number from 0..100 :) |
| 11:20.39 | Nyle | he is no longer a mere user he has responsibilities and he still acts like a fucking piece of shit |
| 11:20.51 | AciD | hi |
| 11:20.53 | abrotman | Jabka: you can look at the kdm docs and see what facilities it has |
| 11:21.10 | Bushmills | and each package would have its own "stableness coefficient" which changes accordingly |
| 11:21.13 | Nyle | so actually streuner you're advice is better |
| 11:21.20 | abrotman | your |
| 11:21.31 | Nyle | I'll put abrotman backon ignore. dunno why i let jetscreamer talk me into removing himm in the first place |
| 11:21.38 | abrotman | yay! |
| 11:21.40 | AciD | I made a file (from a .diff) containing packages names, one per line. Is there a simple way to pass those names to dpkg to install them ? |
| 11:21.40 | Nyle | get the fuck off my dick,and now get the fuck off my screen |
| 11:21.49 | abrotman | goes to cry |
| 11:21.54 | hoxu | hugs abrotman |
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| 11:22.16 | Nyle | i just wish he had the balls to show up to the etch release party |
| 11:22.17 | mutante | hmm.. "When bash is started by "login" as an interactive login shell, it reads /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile. When Bash is started by "kdm" (just before kde), the files /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile are sourced. " |
| 11:22.24 | Nyle | we all know why he didn't show up |
| 11:22.28 | Nyle | all he does is yap all day long |
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| 11:22.34 | Nyle | c'mon around once asshole |
| 11:22.41 | Nyle | just once... |
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| 11:22.44 | streuner | Nyle: enough! |
| 11:22.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/stoned] by abrotman |
| 11:22.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 11:22.56 | Bakkal | WTF is with Nyle... |
| 11:22.56 | abrotman | Nyle: i'll unban you in 10 minutes .. cool off |
| 11:22.58 | wols_ | who wants to go to a gathering of smelly nerds? |
| 11:23.10 | mutante | defcon? |
| 11:23.10 | hoxu | somehow I've always wondered why nothing happens when Nyle goes off like this... for anyone else it'd be a kickban |
| 11:23.17 | streuner | abrotman: that's a +b not a +q... |
| 11:23.30 | abrotman | grr |
| 11:23.46 | hoxu | streuner, rotate your monitor 180 degrees |
| 11:23.53 | streuner | calm down |
| 11:25.06 | AciD | figured out by doing 'apt-get install `cat myfile.diff` |
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| 11:26.15 | spaceninja | is there some sort of list over all the debian's own programs? |
| 11:26.15 | spaceninja | -the |
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| 11:26.56 | abrotman | spaceninja: a list to do what? mailing list? |
| 11:27.33 | asg | abrotman: probaby 'apt-cache search . ' |
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| 11:27.54 | abrotman | takes asg's decoder ring |
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| 11:31.51 | broadcaster | hello. i have some trouble with apt-cacher, but i don't know how to track them down. when apt-get fetches Release.gpg from apt-cacher, it stals at 99% or 50%. the downloads timeout. it looks like /var/ftp/apt-cacher/packages/ contains some files which are too small. |
| 11:32.06 | Kamaze | Need some help :(: Using Debian etch with xen (3.0) from the repository, the xen kernel has no powernow_k8 support, so it spams the syslog that ot fails du ajust the frequency... i already tried to put the powernow_k8 module on the blacklist, but it gets still loaded :( |
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| 11:35.32 | Nyle | whats so special about Xen, other virtual machiens are no good? |
| 11:35.54 | robboplus | it's quite stable |
| 11:35.55 | Nyle | I've never tried to personally use it, but what are the benefits in comparision to say virtualbox or vmware? |
| 11:36.15 | spaceninja | abrotman: No, just the apps that's unique to debian |
| 11:36.25 | Nyle | does it provide hw virtualization or something? |
| 11:36.34 | abrotman | asg: way off! |
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| 11:36.40 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 11:36.50 | broadcaster | Nyle: it separates the VMs nicely and allows you to pass hardware to virtual machines |
| 11:36.58 | broadcaster | but it has some bugs |
| 11:37.06 | asg | Nyle: download the xen manual, the first part explains the differences. |
| 11:37.07 | abrotman | spaceninja: you mean like the package management system ? |
| 11:37.10 | broadcaster | if you compile it with the wrong gcc-version, it breaks |
| 11:37.15 | Nyle | asg, ahh |
| 11:37.27 | Nyle | I was looking on the website just now too, thanks |
| 11:37.46 | abrotman | spaceninja: i'm not aware of any such list |
| 11:37.47 | Nyle | broadcaster, but doesn't HW virtualization depend on the cpu itself |
| 11:38.31 | Nyle | broadcaster, or does this Xen software hw virtualization get slow? I'm mean HW virtualization as in say.. 3D accel under a VM |
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| 11:38.44 | Nyle | native hw driving per os |
| 11:39.16 | spaceninja | but I don't get it, does debian try to have guis to configure the whole system? It feels like it's incompleted, a grayzone between guis and the terminal. |
| 11:39.22 | broadcaster | Nyle: HW virtualization depends on the CPU, but i don't care much, as i only virtualize linux |
| 11:39.31 | Nyle | ahh, ok |
| 11:40.09 | broadcaster | anybody here who can tell me how to track doen the apt-cacher-problem? i allready turned on debug, but it saiys, it would deliver the packages.gpg to the client, and that's it |
| 11:40.11 | abrotman | spaceninja: what exactly don't you get? or don't know how to do? |
| 11:40.21 | broadcaster | also there are empty request lines ("got: ____") |
| 11:40.26 | Kamaze | Can't someone help my? I just want that it stops to spam my syslog :( |
| 11:40.35 | broadcaster | Kamaze: delete the module |
| 11:40.39 | Kamaze | And i fail somehow at googleinh |
| 11:40.55 | abrotman | !tell Kamaze about blacklist |
| 11:41.01 | Kamaze | rmmod powernow_k8 |
| 11:41.01 | Kamaze | ERROR: Module powernow_k8 is in use |
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| 11:41.10 | abrotman | !tell Kamaze about blacklist-initramfs |
| 11:41.33 | Kamaze | oh god, i'll read later :) However, thanks |
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| 11:41.42 | Kamaze | has to finish his homeworks |
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| 11:42.01 | broadcaster | Kamaze: rmmod powernow_k8 |
| 11:42.07 | broadcaster | erg |
| 11:42.09 | broadcaster | rmmod -f |
| 11:42.11 | Nyle | upon watching the debian boot up procedure, I notice that there are a few modules that are being loaded over and over by different stages/programs in the system, why is that? |
| 11:42.13 | broadcaster | or maybe |
| 11:42.23 | broadcaster | try lsmod and check which module/programme blocks it |
| 11:42.33 | broadcaster | probably the powernow-daemon-thingy |
| 11:42.53 | spaceninja | abrotman: I'm trying to install pidgin, but it's not in the repos' |
| 11:43.02 | abrotman | spaceninja: use gaim |
| 11:43.03 | Kamaze | dpkg -l | grep powernowd > nothing |
| 11:43.03 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep powernowd > nothing |
| 11:43.04 | Nyle | spaceninja, try gaim |
| 11:43.23 | broadcaster | thinks, pidgin is much better than gaim |
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| 11:43.29 | spaceninja | me too |
| 11:43.44 | abrotman | broadcaster: the version of gaim in etch is 2.0rc42342354y34523423+RC123123414 |
| 11:43.47 | abrotman | or something |
| 11:43.59 | abrotman | it's basically pidgin 2.0 |
| 11:44.33 | slxix | was that octal or decimal? |
| 11:44.54 | abrotman | !info gaim etch |
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| 11:45.05 | fairway_ | how do I install debian on an eeepc 2g ? |
| 11:45.15 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 11:45.15 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 11:45.17 | broadcaster | abrotman: pidgin has a lot of bugs. but gaim has even more. they changed a lot up to version 2.4 |
| 11:45.18 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
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| 11:45.51 | abrotman | broadcaster: that's fine .. but to say "gaim sucks, i want pidgin" is silly since the gaim in etch is basially pidgin minus the name change |
| 11:46.07 | broadcaster | true |
| 11:46.29 | broadcaster | if you use jabber only, gajim is very nice btw |
| 11:46.57 | abrotman | and if he really thinks the name is a big deal .. there is a pidgin backport at backports.org |
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| 11:47.35 | spaceninja | how do I change stuff to testing? |
| 11:47.43 | abrotman | no? |
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| 11:48.27 | Nyle | spaceninja, why come? |
| 11:49.22 | Nyle | spaceninja, if you really need/want testing you can change stuff to it :) /etc/apt/sources.list change all to lenny or testing and aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 11:50.55 | spaceninja | well, I use archlinux, so I'm kind of used to newer versions |
| 11:51.06 | Nyle | then maybe you should go to #archlinux |
| 11:51.07 | Bushmills | why is dsa1571 still prominently mentioned in the topic when it seems to me that dsa1581 is of greater danger atm? (made it into stable, and potentially pre-authentication arb. execution) |
| 11:51.54 | spaceninja | I also use debian |
| 11:52.04 | Nyle | so why are you telling us about archlinux |
| 11:52.05 | spaceninja | well, I'm just trying it out |
| 11:52.17 | spaceninja | because you wanted to know why I wanted newer versions |
| 11:52.17 | slxix | !dsa1581 |
| 11:52.29 | Nyle | you didn't need to answer that, I was messin |
| 11:52.31 | Nyle | :) |
| 11:52.32 | spaceninja | that I wanted to use testing |
| 11:52.38 | spaceninja | hehe ok |
| 11:52.41 | Bushmills | spaceninja: we all love arch, in fact #debian is the inofficial archlinux support channel |
| 11:52.49 | Bushmills | :) |
| 11:52.50 | Nyle | Bushmills, lol wtf |
| 11:53.05 | Nyle | haha inofficial |
| 11:53.27 | spaceninja | My first impression is that arch is more straight forward, one way to do the job :) |
| 11:53.37 | Nyle | you can't beat debian dude |
| 11:53.39 | abrotman | !tell spaceninja about etch->lenny |
| 11:53.41 | Nyle | you just can't |
| 11:55.01 | slxix | not without the right metrics. |
| 11:55.09 | Bushmills | arch comes without perl? |
| 11:55.27 | spaceninja | you decide everything |
| 11:55.29 | Bushmills | (iirc, it is perl's declared purpose to allow things to be done in many ways) |
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| 11:55.54 | Bushmills | (which renders perl pretty incompatible with arch's "one way to do the job" |
| 11:55.55 | spaceninja | every package is installed through pacman, even from the installation |
| 11:56.22 | spaceninja | so you got total control, but there's a recommended core section of packages |
| 11:56.25 | Nyle | pacman |
| 11:56.31 | Nyle | that just sounds unprofessional |
| 11:56.32 | spaceninja | yup |
| 11:56.35 | Nyle | now apt |
| 11:56.40 | spaceninja | pacman, package manager |
| 11:56.41 | Nyle | 'cmon man, thas like legendary |
| 11:56.48 | abrotman | hi .. not #archlinux ? |
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| 11:57.14 | Nyle | pacman, nobody knows pacman, you say apt or apt-get and anyone familiar with linux will know, ohh thats debian (or ubuntu) |
| 11:57.30 | spaceninja | it's not a popularity contest :) |
| 11:57.36 | Nyle | no |
| 11:57.37 | Bushmills | lfs. very consistent. install packages though tar ... make ... |
| 11:57.43 | Nyle | but why does something become popular? |
| 11:57.45 | slxix | i have pacman for mame. |
| 11:57.51 | Nyle | think about that |
| 11:57.52 | Nyle | :) |
| 11:58.09 | spaceninja | popularity has nothing to do with excellence |
| 11:58.11 | Nyle | slxix, I too utilize mame |
| 11:58.19 | Nyle | slxix, you have a gamepad? |
| 11:58.34 | Bushmills | no bluddy installer intelligence with their oblique ways |
| 11:58.45 | slxix | i have a $10 USB controller from walmart. :) |
| 11:58.46 | Nyle | spaceninja, mostly only those things become popular which people like |
| 11:58.53 | Nyle | or if you maket it heavily |
| 11:59.02 | Nyle | debian was not marketed heavily, its just so good it became so popular |
| 11:59.04 | spaceninja | if the most popular thing was the best, then windows would be much better than debian wouldn't it? |
| 11:59.06 | Nyle | thats not a bad thing |
| 11:59.12 | Nyle | its the quality which matters |
| 11:59.22 | Nyle | ime of 8 years, debian just works |
| 11:59.35 | Bushmills | "not marketed heavily" .. there's the difference |
| 12:00.01 | Nyle | spaceninja, I agree with your point as well |
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| 12:00.26 | Nyle | but I think Bushmills says it after me when I say |
| 12:00.38 | Nyle | good stuff |
| 12:00.54 | spaceninja | oh well :p |
| 12:01.05 | Nyle | anyway |
| 12:01.16 | spaceninja | I got a aptitude question, I just installed gaim, and now I want to remove it and it's dependencies |
| 12:01.31 | Nyle | spaceninja, just remove it |
| 12:01.37 | spaceninja | but when I unmark gaim, the packages that gaim depends on is still there |
| 12:01.41 | Nyle | aptitude is great at removing dependencies that are not needed |
| 12:01.53 | hoxu | spaceninja, did you install using aptitude? |
| 12:02.16 | Nyle | spaceninja, are you sure you are using aptitude? |
| 12:02.24 | spaceninja | no I meant, synaptics |
| 12:02.25 | Bushmills | other way around ... look at "manually installed" vs "autoinstalled" |
| 12:02.31 | Nyle | synaptic uses apt-get |
| 12:02.34 | Nyle | not aptitude |
| 12:02.42 | Nyle | spaceninja, you need to type aptitude remove gaim |
| 12:02.45 | spaceninja | so they are two different package managers? |
| 12:02.47 | Nyle | if you installed it with aptitude that is |
| 12:02.52 | Nyle | !why aptitude |
| 12:02.52 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 12:03.18 | orveldv_ | spaceninja: it's "synaptic" |
| 12:03.39 | Bushmills | apt-get --autoremove may do away with the stuff installed with and used for gaim only |
| 12:03.55 | Bushmills | after gaim has been removed |
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| 12:04.19 | Bushmills | ehm sry, no "--" |
| 12:04.22 | Nyle | kopete ftw |
| 12:04.35 | orveldv_ | yay |
| 12:04.52 | Nyle | orveldv_, hi, fellow KDE'er? |
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| 12:05.32 | orveldv_ | Nyle: hi, here fellow KDE'er, xfce'er, wmaker'er, cde'er |
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| 12:05.41 | Nyle | word |
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| 12:05.48 | Nyle | Iuse flux/kde/compiz |
| 12:06.16 | Nyle | and bblean/blackbox on xp |
| 12:06.18 | Nyle | :D |
| 12:06.23 | spaceninja | autoremove isn't working |
| 12:06.25 | spaceninja | ah |
| 12:06.29 | spaceninja | dependecy hell |
| 12:06.32 | spaceninja | n |
| 12:06.40 | Nyle | imma kick yer ass |
| 12:06.41 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:06.43 | orveldv_ | Nyle: I also use EDE (equinox) :D |
| 12:06.47 | Nyle | there ain't no dpendency hell |
| 12:06.52 | Nyle | orveldv_, never heard of it |
| 12:06.55 | Nyle | name sounds cool |
| 12:07.06 | spaceninja | :) |
| 12:07.08 | orveldv_ | Nyle: equinox-project.org |
| 12:07.11 | Nyle | word |
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| 12:08.04 | Nyle | eh not bad |
| 12:08.13 | Nyle | kindaly plain and ugly imo but not bad for what it is |
| 12:08.32 | orveldv_ | yeah, at least it's small |
| 12:08.38 | Nyle | thats good |
| 12:08.46 | Nyle | I like small software |
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| 12:10.39 | orveldv_ | Nyle: I made a .deb and it's only 2.5M :-) |
| 12:10.51 | Nyle | cool |
| 12:11.00 | Nyle | i just cut some cheese |
| 12:11.02 | Nyle | ;) |
| 12:11.13 | orveldv_ | ;) |
| 12:12.18 | Bushmills | nyle, how thick was the slice? |
| 12:12.36 | Nyle | worthy of air-freshning spray... |
| 12:12.41 | Nyle | i'll tell you that much |
| 12:12.47 | Bushmills | cool |
| 12:13.06 | Nyle | I ate some weird indianfood last night cuz the chics wanted to eat indian |
| 12:13.08 | Nyle | :/ |
| 12:13.25 | Bushmills | i just turned an empty cup upside down |
| 12:13.39 | Nyle | no much going on in here on a saturday morning |
| 12:13.53 | Nyle | turning cups upside side is a great pastime activity |
| 12:14.00 | Nyle | s/side/down |
| 12:14.08 | slxix | updown? |
| 12:14.11 | Bushmills | yes indeed. i might do it again, at one point. |
| 12:14.12 | Nyle | no |
| 12:14.20 | Nyle | upside side/upside down |
| 12:14.43 | Bushmills | it somehow ... changes perspective |
| 12:14.46 | Nyle | slxix, falling upwards |
| 12:15.13 | Nyle | goddamit my speakers go crazy everytime I get a call on my cell phone |
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| 12:19.12 | slxix | build a farraday cage around your cell phone. |
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| 12:23.29 | JyZyXEL | its weird how the speakers are affected by a phone |
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| 12:24.28 | spaceninja | when will stable be updated? |
| 12:24.34 | abrotman | updated to what? |
| 12:24.37 | abrotman | or for what? |
| 12:24.50 | spaceninja | to use testing |
| 12:25.02 | abrotman | when testing is released |
| 12:25.03 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 12:25.03 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 12:25.55 | jelly-home | 5.0? |
| 12:26.05 | abrotman | yep |
| 12:26.12 | jelly-home | ref? |
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| 12:26.19 | abrotman | d-d-a ? :) |
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| 12:27.08 | jelly-home | oh, it's in that message |
| 12:27.34 | jelly-home | had to scroll all the way down O:-) |
| 12:27.52 | CuBe0wL | hi all! I've got a little problem with libgtkglext1 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtkglext-list/2005-December/msg00000.html |
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| 12:28.08 | CuBe0wL | how (and where) can I find the source? |
| 12:28.36 | CuBe0wL | so I can build my own, and maybe patch it like gentoo does: http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?gtkglext-1.0.6-r3 |
| 12:28.45 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: your url from 2005 says "Sadly the CVS-repository of gtkglext hasn't seen any activity in the last 21 months." |
| 12:29.27 | spaceninja | where can I find testing iso images? |
| 12:29.39 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 12:29.39 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 12:30.02 | spaceninja | thx |
| 12:30.46 | spaceninja | stable is too boring |
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| 12:31.00 | abrotman | you could just dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 12:31.08 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:31.20 | CuBe0wL | jelly-home, but there's still something fishy going on with libgtkglext1, becouse on a fresh new install one of my apps stopped working properely |
| 12:31.48 | CuBe0wL | jelly-home, I'm trying to run gtkradiant (a tool to make map files for quake3 engine based games) |
| 12:31.56 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: which debian release? |
| 12:32.26 | CuBe0wL | it's a third party app, but that doesn't matter |
| 12:32.28 | CuBe0wL | (radiant.x86:8581): GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont |
| 12:32.29 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: did you try whipping, bribing or threatening? |
| 12:32.38 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: there's a libgtkglext1 1.2.0-1 in unstable. Perhaps a backport would help. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 12:32.39 | CuBe0wL | this is the error message I get |
| 12:32.50 | abrotman | that's a warning |
| 12:33.02 | CuBe0wL | I know, but still I can't see the fonts |
| 12:33.11 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: which version of debian? |
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| 12:33.17 | CuBe0wL | unstable |
| 12:33.25 | hoxu | !btssmite CuBe0wL |
| 12:33.25 | dpkg | beats CuBe0wL around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if CuBe0wL is running Unstable |
| 12:34.00 | CuBe0wL | hehe |
| 12:34.13 | Bushmills | unstable must be quite robust atm, if there's only one app failing. |
| 12:34.26 | spaceninja | oh |
| 12:34.35 | CuBe0wL | the problem is, it used to work |
| 12:34.42 | hoxu | the rest are happily eating away your date 'til you realize it... |
| 12:34.51 | hoxu | s/date/data/ |
| 12:34.56 | Bushmills | yes. that's called "things are in flux" |
| 12:35.08 | spaceninja | which app is that? |
| 12:35.09 | spaceninja | maybe I should go with unstable |
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| 12:35.18 | spaceninja | if it's only one app |
| 12:35.21 | CuBe0wL | I have two pc's with unstable, the other one is just worrking fine... but I haven't done an upgrade on it for now for weeks |
| 12:35.34 | slxix | so if the problem is that it used to work, and it doesn't work now, then you're ok. right? :) |
| 12:35.43 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: so, rebuild your third party app? |
| 12:35.50 | Bushmills | sounds familiar :) |
| 12:35.54 | CuBe0wL | jelly-home, I tried :P |
| 12:36.00 | CuBe0wL | I still get the error |
| 12:36.10 | CuBe0wL | with even newer versions too |
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| 12:36.33 | CuBe0wL | radiant has 1.5, 1.4, and in developement 1.6 version too |
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| 12:36.44 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: I guess you'll have to file a bug for libgtkglext1, be sure to mention the last version that worked |
| 12:36.46 | CuBe0wL | I've tried to build 1.6, and it's still the same |
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| 12:37.03 | vadmeste | hi every one |
| 12:37.30 | CuBe0wL | jelly-home, too bad I dunno what's the version that does work... my other pc is a few hunder kilometers away from here :/ |
| 12:37.48 | vadmeste | anybody knows a program that records screen activity from the Linux desktop into standard AVI movie files ? (like CamStudio) |
| 12:38.07 | CuBe0wL | and I think that this lib hasn't changed for ages |
| 12:38.17 | Bushmills | CuBe0wL: current sid version is 1.2.0-1, not 1.0.6 |
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| 12:38.49 | CuBe0wL | hm... stable might have the lib I'm looking for |
| 12:38.57 | CuBe0wL | or is there a palce I can get the older ones? |
| 12:39.17 | CuBe0wL | so maybe I can simply download them, and give the darn thing the path... |
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| 12:39.26 | CuBe0wL | that could work, can it? |
| 12:39.42 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: for older packages, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 12:40.02 | format_c | vadmeste, do you know xvidcap ? |
| 12:40.06 | Bushmills | in general, when mixing versions you are on your own. no garanties given or possible |
| 12:40.19 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: for package history, look at its changelog, or http://packages.qa.debian.org/gtkglext |
| 12:40.38 | vadmeste | format_c, can I retrieve it in the three DVD of Debian Etch ? |
| 12:40.40 | CuBe0wL | jelly-home, thx, I'll try to further investige the issue.. if all other esle fails, I'll poke around here again :P |
| 12:41.01 | jelly-home | CuBe0wL: you're using unstable... things are supposed to break |
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| 12:41.39 | CuBe0wL | jelly-home, I know ;) and once I figure this out, I'll fill a bugreport too |
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| 12:44.15 | rage | I'm running IceWM, how does one launch Konqueror as a desktop window so I can have icons on my desktop/root window area. |
| 12:44.17 | rage | ? |
| 12:44.32 | format_c | vadmeste, its under etch/main and testing/main. I do not exactly know whats on the dvds |
| 12:44.44 | vadmeste | format_c, thanks |
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| 12:48.01 | Bushmills | rage: i doubt that konqueror does that, like nautilus does. may be kwin under kde |
| 12:48.34 | Bushmills | or kdesktop, kwin is win manager only |
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| 12:49.21 | rage | mmm :-/ |
| 12:49.27 | Suprano | arr |
| 12:49.28 | Suprano | i hate it |
| 12:49.43 | format_c | vadmeste, ah its under multimedia >>http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages<< |
| 12:49.43 | Suprano | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.09 | format_c | Suprano, who uses zsh? |
| 12:50.12 | format_c | AIX |
| 12:50.14 | format_c | ? |
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| 12:50.28 | Suprano | which shell it is is now the most unimportant thing Oo |
| 12:50.58 | format_c | not for me |
| 12:50.59 | Suprano | i think xfs is bugged |
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| 12:55.22 | dustybin | what is the openssh-blacklist? |
| 12:56.05 | hoxu | dustybin, see apt-cache show openssh-blacklist and /topic |
| 12:56.20 | dustybin | ok |
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| 12:57.28 | dustybin | maybe they should of renamed to: openssh-black-hat-list |
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| 12:57.47 | slxix | why? |
| 12:57.58 | dustybin | ..or maybe not |
| 12:58.22 | dustybin | hides into poke 53281,0 |
| 12:58.50 | cannedfish | poke 53280,1 |
| 12:59.10 | dustybin | was mine the border? |
| 12:59.28 | cannedfish | nevermind :) |
| 12:59.31 | dustybin | hehe |
| 13:00.25 | dustybin | SYS 64738 himself |
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| 13:11.18 | badcfe | hello. is it possible to save stream from inet radio to wav from RYTHMBOX and maybe pipe it to a mp3 coder? |
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| 13:12.07 | wols_ | you don't encode inet streams to mp3 |
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| 13:12.46 | badcfe | wols_: why not |
| 13:13.11 | wols_ | because streams are already compressed.often as mp3 |
| 13:13.22 | wols_ | a stream is simply a download, nothing else |
| 13:13.23 | abrotman | he wants to record them to his HDD |
| 13:13.31 | redtime | apt-cache show streamripper |
| 13:13.33 | badcfe | cool. then how do i simply append the feed to a disk file |
| 13:13.53 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 13:13.57 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 13:14.19 | wols_ | abrotman: while universal, it's a last resort solution |
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| 13:14.32 | abrotman | i'm not that big! |
| 13:15.13 | badcfe | before. when i listened to radio i could record it to a tape. you know? users should not forget this. i dont like thats its called streamripper |
| 13:15.36 | badcfe | i dont like its called streamripper. it criminalizes what mum did on her casette and radio player twenty years ago |
| 13:15.55 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:16.02 | slxix | so your mum used to be a criminal.. ? |
| 13:16.06 | badcfe | she was not a ripper even if she pressed REC to keep some radio snippet |
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| 13:16.43 | badcfe | slxix: if my mum or any person of the previous generation did what they did then but today, they would be said to ripp |
| 13:17.10 | badcfe | the previous generation did this easily. and some of them now tryies to criminalise it by calling it ripping |
| 13:17.24 | slxix | so get a tape player. :) |
| 13:17.47 | badcfe | seems like the old school fucking music industry that steals money for doing nothing has also indirectly brainwashed some linux folks |
| 13:18.54 | badcfe | slxix: streamripper is a name biased in the wrong direction. it should just be "recorder" and not "ripper" |
| 13:19.23 | abrotman | badcfe: either use it or not .. don't argue the merits of the name |
| 13:20.03 | badcfe | guess its because ripper is such a hot term that linux folks likes it .. its hot and stylish. they dont even consider the political impact |
| 13:20.14 | abrotman | then don't use it .. |
| 13:20.15 | badcfe | abrotman: ill make a symlink hehe |
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| 13:21.28 | badcfe | installs streamripper and gets indirectly branwashed feeling criminalized |
| 13:21.40 | slxix | calls the police. |
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| 13:21.46 | cloakable | o.o |
| 13:21.57 | badcfe | i would like a REC button in rythmbox |
| 13:22.21 | badcfe | badcfe: then make it |
| 13:23.06 | badcfe | badcfe: make rythmbox depend on streamripper and yank a REC button doin the piping from rythmbox |
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| 13:23.26 | seriouslycgi | can anyone help me boot debain install? i dont like ubuntu but i have to use it because debian wont get past the first part of the installer, it just reboots (dell optiplex 2200 - pretty old machine) |
| 13:23.51 | slxix | seriouslycgi: how much memory does it have? |
| 13:23.58 | seriouslycgi | 128 |
| 13:24.26 | DexterF | think I found a bug in a package from backports, do I report a bug in stable or testing? |
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| 13:24.39 | seriouslycgi | slxix, 128mb |
| 13:24.54 | slxix | seriouslycgi: have you checked the integrity of the install cd? |
| 13:25.22 | seriouslycgi | yes happens on all the methods too net business and full cd |
| 13:25.55 | slxix | do you know what part it reboots at? |
| 13:26.05 | seriouslycgi | is there a floppy install? i have a floppy drive in it |
| 13:26.25 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 13:26.25 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 13:26.52 | seriouslycgi | straight away it gets past the inital splash screen then reboots the machine |
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| 13:27.58 | seriouslycgi | i press enter to start install it says like the kernel thing (init? ) then . . . |
| 13:31.28 | slxix | that's pretty nasty..i don't know. |
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| 13:32.22 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: what boot options have you tried so far? |
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| 13:33.19 | seriouslycgi | nothing really i have little time so linux is more a hobby |
| 13:33.39 | centosian | Hello, I'm trying to use 'apt-get install java-package' on my debian4 system, but I get apt-get install java-package -> E: Couldn't find package java-package. Help, please? |
| 13:33.47 | wols_ | !install java |
| 13:33.47 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 13:34.05 | JyZyXEL | isn't there somekind of apt-get security-upgrade command? |
| 13:34.19 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about security |
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| 13:34.34 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: there's a number of boot-time parameters that can be passed to the kernel to work around issues with particular hardware. "noacpi" comes to mind |
| 13:35.00 | centosian | thx wols; trying |
| 13:35.14 | seriouslycgi | i tried that one sorry, same effect i gave up easily |
| 13:35.29 | seriouslycgi | thats all i tried though |
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| 13:36.07 | centosian | !install bpo |
| 13:36.22 | abrotman | !tell centosian about bpo |
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| 13:40.16 | seriouslycgi | is a superblock error repairable without losing data? |
| 13:40.38 | mosno | seriouslycgi: has been for me |
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| 13:41.18 | mosno | seriouslycgi: in ext2/3, there are redundant superblocks |
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| 13:43.25 | seriouslycgi | i think its my problem (i have two scsi and two ata drives) two partitons dissapeared on one disk since upgrading and the only error i came up was a suggestion that the superblock was the wrong size or something like that |
| 13:44.31 | wols_ | seriouslycgi: fidks -l |
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| 13:44.46 | seriouslycgi | it doesnt appear in the list |
| 13:44.47 | mosno | fdisk* |
| 13:45.00 | seriouslycgi | the drive is missing at boot time |
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| 13:45.27 | seriouslycgi | it was fine before upgrading (ubuntu btw) |
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| 13:45.54 | spaceninja | so packages should be installed in aptitude? |
| 13:46.03 | spaceninja | with |
| 13:46.25 | mosno | spaceninja: aptitude ftw |
| 13:46.33 | spaceninja | if you want to remove package and their dependencies without any headaches? |
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| 13:46.38 | spaceninja | ok |
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| 13:48.29 | mosno | spaceninja: oh, there's still headaches, but its one of the nicer programs for pkg mgmt |
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| 13:49.23 | vjoe | hey |
| 13:49.41 | spaceninja | well, nothing beats pacman, maybe I'll change my mind :) |
| 13:50.13 | slxix | those ghost monsters always got me |
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| 13:50.21 | lostson | lol |
| 13:50.25 | tch23 | Hi |
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| 13:50.41 | tch23 | someone's speaking her! |
| 13:51.15 | lnostdal | you gotta speak into the microphone, silly |
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| 13:51.39 | tch23 | yeah that's true |
| 13:52.24 | spaceninja | well, testing was more like it, stable was so.....ancient :) |
| 13:52.41 | slxix | and stable? :) |
| 13:53.26 | spaceninja | yes, stable felt ancient, but not testing |
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| 13:53.57 | slxix | i find stable great for servers and testing great for desktops. |
| 13:54.19 | tch23 | I got some sound troubles with 64studio (actually, i don't have any sound)... does someone know where I can solve this issue? |
| 13:54.21 | lnostdal | stable + backports is ok for desktop .. at least for me :) |
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| 13:55.03 | spaceninja | it felt as if you where watching tv, and the shows where lagging behind 5 years, but everyone else was watching the todays shows.. |
| 13:55.05 | lostson | Insolit, agreed |
| 13:55.38 | spaceninja | that's stable debian, 5 year tv lagg |
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| 13:55.56 | spaceninja | :) |
| 13:56.19 | asg | considering that there hasn't been a tv program released in the last 5 years that was worth a shit, I'll stick with stable |
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| 13:56.52 | spaceninja | I can understand why you need stable programs for servers and stuff, but for DESKTOPS?! Ah, just give me the latest stable software :p |
| 13:57.22 | spaceninja | it's not like the universe is going to collapse if some app crashes |
| 13:57.45 | spaceninja | but the thing is that it wont |
| 13:57.51 | spaceninja | it's debian.. :p |
| 13:57.52 | broadcaster | i have problems updating perl. perl-doc has to be removed, but it can't and apt-get tells me to reinstall it first. but apt-get --reinstall perl-doc fails with unmet dependencies. i'm stuck. |
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| 13:57.59 | spaceninja | well maybe |
| 13:59.03 | broadcaster | i can neither remove nor install packages, i am totally lost. how can i force single packpages to be updated, removed, reinstaller, whatever while ignoring all dependencies? |
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| 14:00.37 | Quazar | Hi all. Does anyone use beryl with debian ? |
| 14:01.21 | x03 | use compiz-fusion sir |
| 14:01.39 | Quazar | Can i use the plugins that beryl has? |
| 14:01.51 | Quazar | Im aware of their new link, but i dont wanna use apt-get |
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| 14:03.20 | Quazar | O_o cmon 863 ppl cant all be idle |
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| 14:05.13 | Quazar | I guess the geeks are still asleep, back to the forums i go =P |
| 14:06.53 | Kamaze | abrotman, i put powernow_k8 on the blacklist and recreated the inittramfs, now the machine doesn't boot up anymore. even when i replace the intramfs with the old backup :( |
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| 14:08.46 | bakarat | i have a question about .deb packages -> suppose you have version 0.1 of something installed and you want to update to 0.4, and each version in between has some minor patches to do, how does .deb handle this? does each package contain all the previous patches? |
| 14:08.54 | bakarat | or does the download manager download all in between versions and patch them one by one? |
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| 14:09.21 | hoxu | bakarat, what do you mean with "patches"? |
| 14:09.58 | bakarat | hoxu: something that needs to be changed, for example, the program in question decided to put its xml files in a different directory or something (stupid example) |
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| 14:12.09 | bakarat | hoxu: so suppose this was decided in version 0.2, so the files need to be moved, version 0.4 assumes that version 0.2 did this? or double checks and moves the files in case this is needed? |
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| 14:12.48 | hoxu | bakarat, I don't actually know... but at least upgrades between different debian versions should work |
| 14:13.29 | bakarat | hoxu: the reason i'm asking is, because i'm building a similar system (for a different purpose though) that has centralized packages, and i'm wondering how to handle patches like that |
| 14:14.06 | hoxu | bakarat, well, the best thing you can do is of course to allow upgrading from any older version |
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| 14:14.23 | hoxu | bakarat, but really, I think it depends on case-by-case basis |
| 14:14.26 | bakarat | hoxu: indeed, but if each version needs to patch _everything_ (or at least check that it is all patched), the patch itself will continu to grow |
| 14:14.34 | bakarat | hoxu: which is not very desirable |
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| 14:14.57 | bakarat | hoxu: however, downloading each intermediate package to do patches one by one...is less then optimal as well (though each package is very small) |
| 14:15.34 | hoxu | bakarat, then you could allow upgrading only from versions with formats that can be converted etc, but as you noticed, there are pros and cons either way |
| 14:15.58 | bakarat | hoxu: indeed... |
| 14:16.13 | bakarat | hoxu: it's quite an important decision though, very hard to alter later on |
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| 14:17.11 | Jav13r_ | how can i test my terminal bell? |
| 14:17.45 | NickBurnsSNL | greetings from Chicago .. ;) |
| 14:18.08 | bakarat | hoxu: currently, in my test system, the patches are actually distributed seperatly from the packages, but that's not entirely optimal either |
| 14:18.15 | asg | Jav13r_: hit backspace at the beginning of a prompt a few times |
| 14:18.29 | asg | Jav13r_: see also: /msg dpkg bell ; /msg dpkg shell beep |
| 14:18.39 | hoxu | bakarat, there are no perfect solutions in computer science, you need to think of your goals and make compromises |
| 14:18.56 | JyZyXEL | maybe echo -en "\a" |
| 14:19.14 | Jav13r_ | asg: i just hit backspace, no beep. s isnt working |
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| 14:19.42 | Jav13r_ | root@ubuntu:~# /msg dpkg bell |
| 14:19.42 | Jav13r_ | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 14:19.59 | jelly-home | Jav13r_: you're a troll, aren't you |
| 14:20.09 | JyZyXEL | Jav13r_ echo -en "\a" |
| 14:20.10 | asg | !tell Jav13r_ about bell |
| 14:20.17 | asg | !tell Jav13r_ about shell beep |
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| 14:21.17 | \3TATUK | Is there a way to make cpufreq change automatically in accordance with the CPU temp? |
| 14:21.31 | asg | \3TATUK: the powernowd package |
| 14:21.41 | hoxu | Jav13r_, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 14:22.01 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 14:22.03 | asg | \3TATUK: though that's generally tripped on load, not temp. You could probably roll your own quite easily though. |
| 14:22.04 | ma3x | hi |
| 14:22.13 | JyZyXEL | hoxu its a troll |
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| 14:22.39 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: nice hook, though |
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| 14:22.50 | \3TATUK | asg: yeah i could probably make a python script run in cron but i'm interested in available facilities... and basing it on load in addition to temp wouldn't be bad, so thanks. |
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| 14:23.25 | ma3x | can you tell me why i get this error |
| 14:23.29 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/3986/ |
| 14:23.47 | ma3x | what's so screwed in xorg? |
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| 14:24.03 | Jav13r_ | hoxu: im a troll since i trolled jelly-home's mom in the A$$. trust me you would love to be a troll too. she is so damn tight arhhh |
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| 14:24.34 | hoxu | Jav13r_, ok, that's enough, drop it |
| 14:24.43 | jelly-home | kban in 5, 4, 3 ... |
| 14:24.45 | hatter_ | has the debian.beryl-project.org website moved ? |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | Jav13r_: knock it off |
| 14:26.04 | abrotman | Jav13r_: and go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 14:27.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: now you've given the line for "does terminal bell not work the same way in debian", etc |
| 14:27.23 | asg | ma3x: does that error happen all the time or just occasionally? |
| 14:27.44 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 14:27.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: all too predictable |
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| 14:28.54 | JyZyXEL | whats with all the packets aptitude is "keeping back" |
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| 14:29.06 | asg | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:29.13 | Jav13r_ | is trolling jelly-home's mommy in her tight ass on and on and on and on over again and again. if jelly-home's dad would be knowing how tight her ass is, he wouldn never left her pregnant so jelly-home wouldnt be here today with us. so good thing his father never knew about this. |
| 14:29.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:29.19 | Jav13r_ | grrr |
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| 14:29.25 | jelly-home | thanks |
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| 14:30.18 | ak5 | must I edit some kind of configs to get mysql in apache? |
| 14:30.31 | asg | ak5: mysql in apache? |
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| 14:30.46 | ak5 | asg, lamp essentially, I am new to this kind of thing :/ |
| 14:31.03 | stew | ak5: aptitude install libapache-mod-php5 php5-mysql |
| 14:31.19 | stew | err |
| 14:31.23 | ak5 | stew, ah ok, php-mysql I din't have |
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| 14:31.28 | stew | ak5: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql |
| 14:31.43 | ak5 | stew, great thx |
| 14:32.18 | asg | stew: the former would have worked also |
| 14:32.57 | ak5 | then I must restart the mysql and apache daemons right? |
| 14:33.07 | asg | ak5: just apache, mysql doesn't need to be |
| 14:33.11 | ak5 | ok |
| 14:33.21 | ak5 | thx for your time |
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| 14:43.03 | dbmoodb | !deadrat |
| 14:43.03 | dpkg | well, deadrat is cf: roothat, redhat |
| 14:43.11 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 14:43.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:43.14 | tolecnal | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600) up: 1day 2hrs 6mins 41secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz (x86) at 1862MHz (31% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800 256MB res: 1440x900 32bit 60Hz ram: 1134/2047.4MB (55.39%) [||||||----] hdd: C:\ 13.36GB/58.59GB F:\ 69.28MB/232.83GB net: Bluetooth Personal Area Network from TOSHIBA - Miniport for pakkeplanlegger - 3MB/s 0B In 0B Out |
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| 14:43.31 | cvn | hi, is it possible to use the DNS to point my host to a website? |
| 14:44.02 | dbmoodb | tolecnal: what are you on about ? |
| 14:44.07 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 14:44.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:44.10 | tolecnal | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600) up: 1day 2hrs 7mins 36secs cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz (x86) at 1862MHz (38% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800 256MB res: 1440x900 32bit 60Hz ram: 1134/2047.4MB (55.37%) [||||||----] hdd: C:\ 13.35GB/58.59GB F:\ 69.28MB/232.83GB net: Bluetooth Personal Area Network from TOSHIBA - Miniport for pakkeplanlegger - 3MB/s 0B In 0B Out |
| 14:44.15 | tolecnal | sorry |
| 14:44.17 | asg | tolecnal: turn that off |
| 14:44.17 | dbmoodb | wait why is tolecnal doing that ? |
| 14:44.27 | tolecnal | asg: I did, just now.. sorry about |
| 14:44.40 | pngwn | he's proud of the uptime |
| 14:44.51 | dbmoodb | it is good |
| 14:44.55 | dbmoodb | he can't reboot tho |
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| 14:45.07 | dbmoodb | otherwise he will be stuck.. it will just continue to reboot for ever more |
| 14:45.11 | tolecnal | pffft |
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| 14:45.17 | dbmoodb | ok go on reboot |
| 14:45.23 | dbmoodb | prove it that is sp3 no ? |
| 14:45.37 | ma3x | asg the error happens all the time! |
| 14:45.39 | ma3x | what can i do? |
| 14:45.58 | tolecnal | it's the only installation I have of windows... the rest is debian all the way |
| 14:45.59 | asg | ma3x: well, signal 11 is often related to bad ram (/msg dpkg signal 11) |
| 14:46.12 | pngwn | sure ;) |
| 14:46.31 | dbmoodb | tolecnal: virtualise it |
| 14:46.33 | cvn | hi, is it possible to use the DNS to point my host to a website? |
| 14:46.42 | dbmoodb | ? .... |
| 14:46.49 | dbmoodb | cvn aren't you doing that already |
| 14:47.07 | tolecnal | dbmoodb: this hardware isn't too happy with virtualisation |
| 14:47.18 | cvn | no, my webhost is down, i want to point my domain to a temp website |
| 14:47.37 | dbmoodb | tolecnal: ? |
| 14:47.46 | dbmoodb | oh ... just change the dns records |
| 14:47.57 | dbmoodb | why are you asking on debian ? |
| 14:48.16 | asg | cvn: do you manage the DNS for your domain or does your registrar / webhost? |
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| 14:48.28 | ma3x | asg if i'd paste the xorg.conf do you think you could tell what's causing tha crash? |
| 14:48.29 | cvn | asg just a DNS management |
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| 14:48.42 | asg | cvn: then contact them and request the change |
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| 14:48.54 | fluffy_k1tty | I cant remove gdm. Can you help me? this is my output from dpkg -r gdm http://pastebin.com/m24d146b5 |
| 14:48.56 | dbmoodb | ma3x: what is the hardware ? |
| 14:49.06 | dbmoodb | fluffy_k1tty: apt-get remove gdm ? |
| 14:49.07 | asg | fluffy_k1tty: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 14:50.00 | asg | ma3x: before you do. a) has it ever worked. b) if so, what did you change to make it not work? |
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| 14:51.42 | stew | fluffy_k1tty: show us the output of "bash -x /etc/init.d/gdm stop" |
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| 14:52.11 | ma3x | dbmoodb intel gma965 chipset |
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| 14:52.28 | dbmoodb | ok ... and etch or testing or sid ? |
| 14:52.33 | ma3x | asg it works well but with some options inside the xorg.conf it doesnt work (i am trying to get it work with dual mode lcd+tv) |
| 14:52.38 | dbmoodb | if iti lenny or sid there is a fix |
| 14:52.51 | monste9 | Hi. what is COMBINED_DISPLAY_SWITCHES="--above LVDS --auto" supposed to do |
| 14:52.54 | dbmoodb | yeah ... same problem as the ubuntu guys / i had easier |
| 14:53.00 | dbmoodb | let me link you |
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| 14:53.49 | asg | monste9: sets an environment variable with some options that is presumably read by some program or init script. |
| 14:54.11 | monste9 | I'm running debian on an eeepc. and the guide says: f you want, instead, to have one big desktop with the external display positioned above the Eee's own display, edit /etc/default/eeepc-acpi-scripts and set COMBINED_DISPLAY_SWITCHES="--above LVDS --auto". What does it mean? I tried it and nothing changed |
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| 14:54.32 | fluffy_k1tty | stew: here it is http://pastebin.com/m3a51aa97 |
| 14:55.08 | fluffy_k1tty | dbmoodb: asg: that doesn't seem to help |
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| 14:55.19 | wols_ | monste9: are you running debian? |
| 14:55.41 | stew | splashy? |
| 14:56.18 | monste9 | yes. of course |
| 14:56.52 | dbmoodb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/138256 |
| 14:57.01 | fluffy_k1tty | stew: I dont remember installing any package called splasy |
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| 14:57.25 | dbmoodb | ma3x: see that |
| 14:57.27 | stew | fluffy_k1tty: well splashy is aparantly the thing causing your problem |
| 14:58.10 | dbmoodb | and the greedy option hu.... use that too |
| 14:58.33 | anaximander | Does anyone else on unstable have problems recently in starting X from the console? |
| 14:58.48 | wols_ | !tell anaximander about anyone |
| 14:59.03 | dbmoodb | !sid |
| 14:59.03 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 14:59.26 | anaximander | as in startx does not start X anymore |
| 14:59.43 | fluffy_k1tty | stew: Thanks, I removed splashy and was then able to remove gdm. :) |
| 14:59.44 | wols_ | !tell anaximander about errors |
| 14:59.48 | dbmoodb | perhaps root has been taken off the users allowed to start x ? |
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| 15:00.26 | anaximander | But, I haven't changed anything to my X config, and there has recently been an upload of xinit |
| 15:00.28 | monste9 | edit /etc/default/eeepc-acpi-scripts and set COMBINED_DISPLAY_SWITCHES="--above LVDS --auto". What is that supposed to do? |
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| 15:01.11 | r3k13m | someone use "awesome"?, because I think is a good window manager but I cannot find almost any information |
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| 15:01.23 | wols_ | monste9: are you running debian? |
| 15:01.27 | dbmoodb | r3k13m: it is meant to be good |
| 15:01.30 | dustybin | hi guys, i was wondering if it would be ok to ask about something ? |
| 15:01.35 | dustybin | awaits abuse |
| 15:01.37 | wols_ | !tell dustybin about ask |
| 15:01.42 | asg | monste9: it's supposted to allow you to have one big desktop using an external display positoined above the Eee's own display. If it doesn't work, talk to the debian eepc folks. |
| 15:01.43 | monste9 | wols_: Yes. |
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| 15:01.57 | wols_ | monste9: there is no /etc/default/eeepc-acpi-scripts in debian |
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| 15:02.07 | monste9 | oh. should it work? |
| 15:02.07 | r3k13m | dbmoodb, what do you mean? |
| 15:02.13 | dustybin | whats wrong with asking to ask? a lot of channels follow the same rules hehe |
| 15:02.15 | dbmoodb | wols_: nar i think there is in lenny ? |
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| 15:02.17 | wols_ | monste9: and the modified xandros on the eeepc is no debian either |
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| 15:02.33 | dbmoodb | just some eee utils to make it easier for people on it |
| 15:02.37 | dbmoodb | !eee |
| 15:02.37 | dpkg | well, eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc |
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| 15:04.00 | monste9 | wols_: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 15:04.05 | dbmoodb | ..... |
| 15:04.11 | dbmoodb | monste9: he knows |
| 15:04.19 | dbmoodb | (know) |
| 15:04.21 | dbmoodb | now* |
| 15:04.31 | wols_ | monste9: dbmoodb gave you a pointer |
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| 15:04.51 | ma3x | dbmoodb asg as soon as i put these two lines, it crashes |
| 15:04.53 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.53 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.55 | claint | anyone know a _fast_ way to get a list of manually installed packages on your system? The way I am using is a bit slow. |
| 15:04.58 | asg | monste9: as the wiki says, #debian-eeepc on oftc.net |
| 15:05.01 | ma3x | if i comment the 2nd line it works! |
| 15:05.03 | wols_ | dustybin: you waste our time with those. and now you waste it with trolling, so please stop |
| 15:05.06 | monste9 | Oh. I thought he thought I was still using xandos |
| 15:05.08 | ma3x | so how do i get it work on both screens? |
| 15:05.09 | dbmoodb | did you use greedy ? |
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| 15:05.27 | dbmoodb | add the greedy option as per one of the various bug reports on launchpad |
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| 15:05.57 | xushi | what are the openssl dev package called in apt-cache ? |
| 15:05.57 | dbmoodb | i wish debian had a launchpad then we could return fire |
| 15:06.02 | dustybin | stops trolling |
| 15:06.07 | dbmoodb | openssl-dev |
| 15:06.12 | xushi | hmm, i can't find it |
| 15:06.17 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 15:06.17 | xushi | i can find libssl-dev |
| 15:06.27 | dbmoodb | ..... ah... |
| 15:06.40 | stew | xushi: then you found it |
| 15:06.45 | xushi | that's the one? thanks |
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| 15:06.52 | dbmoodb | i think it is in with openssl...? |
| 15:07.04 | dbmoodb | try libssl-dev |
| 15:07.09 | dbmoodb | !libssl-dev |
| 15:07.11 | xushi | dbmoodb: hmm, well i installed openssl, but transmission still complains that it can't find it |
| 15:07.16 | boodie | Hi, I have firefox on etch-amd64; I can't access this page "http://eur-lex.europa.eu/expert/sg/sga_cnct/celexexp!dev?LANG=IT&BASE=bas-cit link " clicking on the link with the red arrow - I think that I'm missing some java stuff; can anybody try? |
| 15:07.34 | asg | xushi: in the future, use 'apt-cache search <keywords>' |
| 15:07.34 | dbmoodb | boodie: no thank you |
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| 15:07.38 | dbmoodb | if you want java install it |
| 15:07.43 | dbmoodb | !java |
| 15:07.43 | dpkg | [java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 15:07.50 | xushi | asg, yes that's what i'm using now |
| 15:08.09 | xushi | asg: but i cannot find openssl-dev, and not sure if libssl-dev is what i need |
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| 15:08.14 | dbmoodb | xushi: i prefer rtorrent or ktorrent |
| 15:08.15 | wols_ | !tell boodie about install java |
| 15:08.23 | xushi | or maybe libcurl3-openssl-dev |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | boodie: try another browser |
| 15:08.37 | asg | xushi: libssl-dev is what you need |
| 15:08.43 | xushi | dbmoodb: ktorrent i guess i need kde or its dependancies, right? |
| 15:08.48 | dbmoodb | some of them |
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| 15:09.01 | dbmoodb | rtorrent is good |
| 15:09.34 | boodie | konqueror doesn't detect the applet; |
| 15:09.36 | xushi | ugh, cli based |
| 15:09.50 | dbmoodb | xushi: yeah that is the point |
| 15:10.00 | dbmoodb | it is 'screen' able |
| 15:10.01 | dbmoodb | !screen |
| 15:10.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
| 15:10.17 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you could !tell user about foo |
| 15:10.27 | dbmoodb | i should i don't ....sorry |
| 15:10.44 | boodie | I have just installed java 6.0.0.2 as a firefox plugin, but the site kicks me out sayin' that my browser has a too old version of java & I need 1.1.4 or higher |
| 15:10.53 | abrotman | site broken |
| 15:11.26 | asg | boodie: does 'about:plugins' in the browser url bar indicate that you are, in fact, running the version of java you installed? |
| 15:11.32 | xushi | i'll read more on it.. if it has a remote client similar to that of azsmrc, or a web one, then i'll use it |
| 15:11.36 | boodie | How do I know what version of Java is my one (I think that our euro wankers are microsoft sponsored) |
| 15:11.51 | dbmoodb | !europ |
| 15:11.54 | dbmoodb | !europe |
| 15:11.58 | dbmoodb | drat.... |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | dbmoodb: seriously |
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| 15:12.04 | dbmoodb | sorry but |
| 15:12.08 | dbmoodb | ok i'm leaving for now |
| 15:12.11 | asg | dbmoodb: please stop spamming the channel with useless shit |
| 15:12.18 | dbmoodb | done |
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| 15:14.00 | mewshi | How would you guys recommend I go about setting up an ftp server? |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | use scp instead |
| 15:14.21 | asg | mewshi: or sftp |
| 15:14.48 | mewshi | I really don't care how secure it is -_- And I'm actually using an ssh connection to move files, and it's slooooooooow |
| 15:15.03 | asg | mewshi: if you must, look at vsftpd |
| 15:15.14 | mewshi | Ok |
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| 15:16.15 | wols_ | !vsftp |
| 15:16.20 | ben_ye | mewshi: it's pretty easy to use. after install you will have anonymous ftp o /home/ftp right on |
| 15:16.21 | wols_ | !vsftpd |
| 15:16.21 | dpkg | [vsftpd] a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and others! |
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| 15:17.57 | claint | anyone know a _fast_ way to get a list of manually installed packages on your system? The way I am using is a bit slow, something along dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print$1}'|xargs -n 1 aptitude why..... |
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| 15:18.10 | xushi | mewshi: if it's local, why not settle for nfs? |
| 15:19.09 | wols_ | claint: how do you get manually installed stuff that way? you get all dependencies too, no? |
| 15:19.20 | claint | | grep manually |
| 15:19.53 | claint | yeah it is not perfect. |
| 15:20.11 | wols_ | claint: all I get there is "installed" or "deinstalled". nothing about manually |
| 15:20.15 | utab | Not debian specific, but could not find the answer in the man pages, how can I change the orientation of a postscript file to landscape? |
| 15:20.18 | abrotman | claint: aptitude knows |
| 15:20.39 | wols_ | abrotman: how? |
| 15:20.44 | asg | abrotman: yes, the question is whether aptitude stores this information in some reasonable place |
| 15:20.57 | asg | abrotman: like /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | aptitude search ~i ? or ~M ? |
| 15:21.10 | wols_ | or rather: how can one convince aptitude to display its wisdom? |
| 15:21.18 | wols_ | ah, thx |
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| 15:22.43 | abrotman | the aptitude manual has a thingie about how to search for stuff like that |
| 15:23.23 | mewshi | Well, it won't let me write :\ |
| 15:23.28 | torrrr | how does 'which' knows which? |
| 15:23.57 | mewshi | that vsftpd won't let me write anything |
| 15:23.58 | asg | mewshi: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/* . Please read the documents and also the examples |
| 15:24.01 | abrotman | torrrr: man which .. tells you how |
| 15:24.18 | asg | gives abrotman a manwhich |
| 15:24.26 | claint | wols_ : perhaps you put in $2 in your awk instead of $1 |
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| 15:24.54 | asg | only expensive hookers put $2 in their awks |
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| 15:25.06 | claint | lol |
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| 15:25.16 | torrrr | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:27.44 | xushi | using apt-cache, how do i know the version of the package i'm searching for? |
| 15:28.08 | asg | xushi: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 15:28.12 | xushi | thanks |
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| 15:29.56 | boodie | Hi - I'm looking for a package, which should be in non-free, but I can't find it; here's my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/3994/ is there a mistake? |
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| 15:30.37 | wols_ | boodie: what package? |
| 15:30.55 | wols_ | xushi: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 15:31.11 | boodie | sun-java5-plugin |
| 15:31.20 | ma3x | can anyone help me setting dual screen? I get the following crash with backtrace: http://paste.debian.net/3996/ here is my xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/3997/ |
| 15:31.48 | wols_ | !tell boodie about install java |
| 15:32.29 | wols_ | boodie: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java5-plugin&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 15:34.10 | goksin | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 15:35.08 | boodie | wols_: ok, but my aptitude doesn't show sun-java5-plugin as available to be installed |
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| 15:36.09 | boodie | so I was wondering if anything was wrong in my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/3994/ |
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| 15:36.54 | abrotman | boodie: apt-cache search java5 .. any results ? |
| 15:37.59 | ricardo | I want to change repositries to a server nearer to me. Is this usable im on etch : http://debian.torredehanoi.org/debian/dists/etch/ |
| 15:38.19 | Nyle | !tell ricardo -about apt-spy |
| 15:38.53 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 15:38.54 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 15:39.10 | ricardo | ive trie dthat but my firewall is blocking ti and I dont know how to give it access |
| 15:39.26 | elagar | hi... what p2p client do you recommend? |
| 15:39.30 | boodie | abrotman: no |
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| 15:39.50 | Nyle | elagar, zeropaid.com |
| 15:40.51 | elagar | im using amule but it uploads at good speed but the download speed is very very slow |
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| 15:41.13 | boodie | it finds sun-java5-bin, sun-java5-demo ... and various others, but strangely not sun-java5-plugin ... |
| 15:41.27 | Nyle | boodie, amd64 by any chance? |
| 15:41.33 | boodie | exactly |
| 15:41.36 | ricardo | abrotman, ive found a mirror list but I dont know what to do next |
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| 15:41.45 | Nyle | you won't find a browser plugin for it |
| 15:42.11 | boodie | Just like flash |
| 15:42.14 | abrotman | ricardo: man sources.list |
| 15:42.35 | boodie | fantastic |
| 15:42.49 | rat | i need to cache the debian repository any idea |
| 15:42.54 | Nyle | boodie, unlucky |
| 15:43.02 | Nyle | boodie, nspluginwrapper may help |
| 15:43.31 | boodie | Never managed to run it (not available for etch) |
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| 15:43.43 | ricardo | abrotman dont i just add this line to my sources list : http://debian.torredehanoi.org/debian/dists/etch/main/ |
| 15:44.09 | boodie | Basically wherever I go, I hit into a wall :-( |
| 15:44.17 | ricardo | ill add it with synaptic |
| 15:44.18 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:44.36 | boodie | Half of the websites are unaccessible |
| 15:44.39 | Nyle | boodie, /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper |
| 15:44.47 | Nyle | flash will work, dunno bout java plugin |
| 15:44.58 | Nyle | though java apps will work throught he JRE, just no plugin for browser |
| 15:45.00 | Nyle | bruiser |
| 15:45.30 | Nyle | boodie, oh I beleive etch version is available in backports |
| 15:45.52 | boodie | I tried several times nspluginwrapper, but without success |
| 15:46.13 | boodie | I have to wait for lenny |
| 15:46.47 | Nyle | bootstrap a 32bit chroot maybe? |
| 15:46.51 | Nyle | its not that hard |
| 15:46.56 | abrotman | oh, you're on amd64? |
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| 15:47.31 | boodie | Yes, a sorry situation: let me say that this system is unsuitable for anything but hacking and anybody but IT professionals |
| 15:47.45 | abrotman | !tell boodie abotu bpo |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | !tell boodie aboyut bpo |
| 15:47.52 | abrotman | !tell boodie about bpo |
| 15:47.56 | abrotman | stupid fingers |
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| 15:48.16 | abrotman | boodie: you're welcome to use another distro if Debian is too difficult for you |
| 15:48.31 | bokbaard | hehe |
| 15:48.32 | abrotman | boodie: ignore the bpo .. i thought they had amd64 .. but they don't |
| 15:48.33 | clem | hi, a quick question about APT. If I apt-get source a package and dpkg-buildpackage it, it generates a changes file which I can add to the repository via reprepro. However.. if I was to pull packages and source code from another repo, how would I go an regenerate the changes file without recompiling the source? |
| 15:49.05 | ben_ye | boodie: my solution to nasty java website stuff is a 32-bit livecd in virtualbox (e.g. knoppix) |
| 15:49.26 | boodie | If I needed it for work, just as now I need to access a stupid EU site, I would need a degree in computer engineering just to start with |
| 15:50.14 | Sling | is that a problem with debian or with that EU site perhaps? |
| 15:50.15 | ben_ye | is on amd64 echt with bpo |
| 15:50.21 | boodie | I found myself debian easier than other distros |
| 15:51.06 | Nyle | amd64 sid sid sid |
| 15:51.56 | boodie | Sling: of course it's the EU site, they should avoid using the latest technology, if anything there might be obsolete computers in schools incompatible with their sites |
| 15:52.20 | Sling | not the latest, the most widely supported and according to web standards |
| 15:52.25 | boodie | But wherever you try, you hit the wall |
| 15:52.32 | Nyle | no one cares about information being freely available... if its not sugarcoated in bullshit eyecandy |
| 15:52.48 | Nyle | if its an education site and does not require flash for a specific thing, don't use it |
| 15:52.50 | xushi | i just hope work in london asks for debian, rather than redhat |
| 15:53.07 | Nyle | is slowly debianizing his entire company |
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| 15:53.28 | Nyle | I installed internal web and proxy servers last week |
| 15:53.41 | Nyle | getting in two more machines hopefully this week |
| 15:54.00 | boodie | Well, flash and java are the 'de facto' standards in websites, just like window$ on laptops |
| 15:54.12 | disposable | what is the name of the driver/kernel module synaptics touchpad uses? |
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| 15:54.18 | xushi | until silverlight kicks in :) |
| 15:54.19 | rat | anyone to help me cache the debian repository |
| 15:54.29 | Nyle | xushi, what is silverlight? |
| 15:54.43 | xushi | Nyle: microsoft's competition to flash on the web |
| 15:54.45 | tomfmason | I tried to install libapache2-svn but I keep seeing this error http://paste.debian.net/4000/ . Am I missing something simple? |
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| 15:55.18 | craigevil | Nyle: M$ answer to Flash http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ |
| 15:55.30 | boodie | Boodie leaves and goes on working on window$ :-( |
| 15:55.40 | xushi | hehe |
| 15:56.08 | bijur | hey all :) good morning! |
| 15:56.26 | xushi | woah, there's a silverlight for safari... |
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| 15:56.45 | xushi | these guys really are desperate |
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| 15:58.26 | syntrx | i wonder if it'll ever go anywhere. |
| 15:58.53 | bijur | is silverlight the m$'s answer to beagle, that u r talking abt? |
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| 15:59.08 | xushi | answer to flash |
| 15:59.13 | hyper__ch | anyone got an idea how I can sync to machines over FTP? |
| 15:59.37 | ben_ye | boodie: just tried von 32 bit. even when java is installed an there is no further warning, the appelt fails ^^ |
| 15:59.51 | ben_ye | s/appelt/applet |
| 15:59.55 | xushi | hyper__ch: ftp? i used to do it on the gui clients, like filezilla.. there's an optino for that, but usually i use rsync instead |
| 16:00.12 | hyper__ch | xushi: got only ftp access to my hosts backup server.... |
| 16:00.26 | bijur | hey anyone interested in starting an opensource mud? |
| 16:00.30 | hyper__ch | xushi: I tried rsyncing over a mounted ftp folder with curlftpfs but that didn't work |
| 16:00.36 | bijur | open source and open area |
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| 16:01.51 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: midnight commander could do. it supports ftp in one panel, and has file compare, per date/size/, selecting the different files either side for copying |
| 16:02.11 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: I need something that I can use in a cron.... |
| 16:02.20 | Bushmills | (actually, i think it would support ftp in both panels ... ah. ) |
| 16:02.35 | Bushmills | autofs can automount remote ftp |
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| 16:03.07 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: rsync speaks ftp |
| 16:03.16 | hyper__ch | I had a look at autofs but I failed to understand how to mount ftp |
| 16:03.24 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: really? got some info on that? |
| 16:03.32 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: in /etc/auto,misc is an example |
| 16:03.36 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: so far I've only used it over SSH |
| 16:03.59 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: from man rsync: rsync -az -e ssh --delete ~ftp/pub/samba nimbus:"~ftp/pub/tridge" |
| 16:04.00 | Bushmills | to mount, you'd access the /misc/name directory, or files in there |
| 16:04.03 | ben_ye | This is launched from cron every few hours. |
| 16:04.18 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: from man rsync: rsync -az -e ssh --delete ~ftp/pub/samba nimbus:"~ftp/pub/tridge" |
| 16:04.33 | Bushmills | when not ref'd anymore, it can unmount automatically, after a specifiable period |
| 16:04.34 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: example from man rsync |
| 16:05.16 | ben_ye | ist spaming *sry* |
| 16:05.17 | claint | abrotman: found something in the aptitude manual. not exactly what i want, but it will do. thanks for the rtfm. |
| 16:05.32 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: what exctely is that? ~ftp/pub/samba nimbus:"~ftp/pub/tridge" --> I don't really comprehend that |
| 16:06.05 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: just go for man rsync and you'll see |
| 16:06.05 | Bushmills | part of the name of the author |
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| 16:07.02 | Bushmills | what it is *exactly* you can find out by opening the file and having a look yourself |
| 16:07.10 | xoan | hello |
| 16:07.27 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: I'm in there... I see the example... but does not give anything about it |
| 16:07.47 | ben_ye | ^^ |
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| 16:08.44 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: do you understand how that is used? |
| 16:09.06 | Bushmills | hyper__ch: do you run ubuntu? |
| 16:09.18 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: the server has etch |
| 16:09.29 | hyper__ch | Bushmills: and my provider's backupserver - no clue |
| 16:09.32 | Bushmills | i mean you, client side |
| 16:09.47 | hyper__ch | yes, ubuntu |
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| 16:09.51 | Bushmills | i thought so |
| 16:10.01 | hyper__ch | why? |
| 16:10.03 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: i do but if you don't i cant 'learn' it for you. you see? |
| 16:10.12 | Bushmills | sorry, the man pages haven't been ubuntufied yet |
| 16:10.21 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: there is no explanation at all in the man pages for that command |
| 16:10.38 | hyper__ch | there are three mentioning of "ftp" in the man pages |
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| 16:11.04 | hyper__ch | so I have no clue where actually to start comprehending what this example doe |
| 16:11.17 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: okay, first google then for a basic rsync tutorial then get back to your problem ;-) |
| 16:11.44 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: I've been using rsync over SSH for a long time |
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| 16:13.02 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: so everything should be quit easy i guess |
| 16:13.11 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: you guess wrong |
| 16:13.16 | ben_ye | s/quit/quite |
| 16:13.35 | hyper__ch | everything I read about rsync says it can't be used over ftp |
| 16:13.36 | ben_ye | so i am very sorry. ask someone else please. |
| 16:14.37 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: so you comprehend that command? |
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| 16:15.39 | xingu | !describe mirror |
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| 16:16.18 | lostchild | hi all |
| 16:16.23 | claint | hyper__ch : can you teach me how to rsync over ssh? |
| 16:16.26 | joko | Hello. I am using Debian Sid and I want to install multiple GCC versions. Is that possible? e.g. I now use gcc v4.2.4, but I also want a version from the 4.0.x branch |
| 16:16.26 | lostchild | can anyone help me out with unmet dependencies problem? |
| 16:16.30 | xingu | !info mirror |
| 16:16.34 | dpkg | mirror: (keeps FTP archives up-to-date), section net, is optional. Version: 2.9-54 (sid), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 776 kB |
| 16:16.38 | lostchild | I tried to install one application, and it gave me unmet dependencies error,. |
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| 16:16.44 | lostchild | but the I didn't install it. |
| 16:16.49 | Bushmills | lostchild: lenny? |
| 16:17.03 | lostchild | but now, whenever I try to install new application, it gives me unmet dependencies problem |
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| 16:17.09 | lostchild | Bushmills: nope. |
| 16:17.29 | Bushmills | lostchild: ubuntu? |
| 16:17.41 | lostchild | Debian. |
| 16:17.51 | Bushmills | which one? |
| 16:17.55 | hyper__ch | claint: use the -e switch to change shell: sync -avz -e ssh user@server:/path/to/dir/ /path/to/dir |
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| 16:18.09 | ricardo | how do I get apt-spy to search for mirrors only in souh america -d south america ? |
| 16:18.12 | lostchild | Linux lpa.osip.es 2.6.24.5-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 #1 SMP Wed Apr 23 17:14:18 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:18.34 | lostchild | does it matter which debian it is exactly? |
| 16:18.49 | Kamaze | short question, what means: Tags: upstream; ? |
| 16:18.54 | Kamaze | in the debian bugtracker |
| 16:18.57 | Bushmills | ricardo: etch is unlikely to suffer from dep problem. you don't have lenny. so i don;'t know what you have. yes, it matters a lot |
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| 16:19.20 | Bushmills | lenny has problems etch doesn't have. sid has problems lenny doesn't have. |
| 16:19.21 | Bushmills | etc |
| 16:19.32 | lostchild | Bushmills, actually I'm not sure which one I have exactly |
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| 16:19.47 | lostchild | how do I know that? |
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| 16:19.52 | Bushmills | lostchild: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
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| 16:20.10 | lostchild | right. |
| 16:20.11 | Eulex | lostchild, also get us the exact error message you got, or we won't be able to help you. |
| 16:20.17 | lostchild | it says etch |
| 16:20.19 | hark | ricardo: man apt-spy |
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| 16:20.40 | lostchild | ok the exact error is. |
| 16:20.44 | Eulex | emh |
| 16:20.46 | Bushmills | lostchild: etch is not supposed to have dep problems. pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:20.47 | Eulex | please pastebin it |
| 16:20.57 | lostchild | ok |
| 16:20.57 | lostchild | wait |
| 16:21.29 | ricardo | hary ok I got the answer from a manual very quickly which is quite rear.:) |
| 16:22.01 | lostchild | this is the url of pastebin : http://www.pastebin.ca/1028018 |
| 16:22.32 | abrotman | Kamaze: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags |
| 16:23.35 | Kamaze | thanks |
| 16:23.38 | ricardo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.03 | LucasHir | Hi, |
| 16:24.05 | ben_ye | hyper__ch: hell, i was totally wrong and ignorant. your right: not rsync over ftp. i apologize. |
| 16:24.17 | LucasHir | Can some help me with a fs problem? |
| 16:24.21 | Bushmills | lostchild: my installation knows nothing about webcyradmin - may have been dropped since but that means i can't check out what the problem is, sorry. |
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| 16:24.36 | South3rn | Buenas :) |
| 16:24.37 | lostchild | Bushmills, that was a .deb package I downloaded |
| 16:24.55 | ricardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.57 | lostchild | but as it came up with dependencies problems, I did not install it finally. |
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| 16:25.00 | LucasHir | buenas |
| 16:25.09 | Bushmills | lostchild: except generic advise: apt-get update ; apt-get what-the-error-message-says |
| 16:25.09 | lostchild | but since that, I just can't install anything else. |
| 16:25.21 | lostchild | apt-get update ? |
| 16:25.30 | Bushmills | yeah. sometimes does magic |
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| 16:25.43 | lostchild | I did apt-get update |
| 16:25.47 | hyper__ch | ben_ye: so question still remains how to sync over a ftp connection |
| 16:25.48 | lostchild | there was no error on it. |
| 16:26.00 | Eulex | lostchild, does this also happen if you run a simple apt-get install (with no packages as arguments)? |
| 16:26.04 | lostchild | but now I try to install something again, and I have the same error. |
| 16:26.16 | lostchild | Eulex yes |
| 16:26.24 | lostchild | it happens with just apt-get install too. |
| 16:26.43 | Eulex | lostchild, try removing webcyradm. |
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| 16:27.28 | lostchild | Eulex :) :) cool, thanks a lot. |
| 16:27.43 | lostchild | now it's fixed. althoug webcyradm never was succesfully installed. |
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| 16:28.03 | LucasHir | Someone knows how to recreate the ext3 fs, after redoing partitions? I have my same /home but can't mount it |
| 16:28.07 | claint | hyper__ch: they say lftp has a mirror option |
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| 16:28.27 | lostchild | guys, could you recommend me what IMAP server I use with postfix ???? |
| 16:28.31 | hyper__ch | claint: I'll see what that is... I just found duplicity but that gives weird errors |
| 16:28.33 | ricardo | how do I use apt-spy to search for mirrors in south america. Im using etch apt-spy -d stable -a South America ? |
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| 16:28.45 | hyper__ch | lostchild: I like courier-imap |
| 16:28.45 | Bushmills | lostchild: i have dovecot running with postfix |
| 16:28.47 | lostchild | I'm struggling with cyrus_imap for 2 days now. but can't make it work properly. w |
| 16:29.03 | Bushmills | dovecot-imapd, that is |
| 16:29.19 | lostchild | dovecot or courier-imap ??? thanks a lot... I will have a look |
| 16:30.21 | hyper__ch | claint: lftp looks promising |
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| 16:35.09 | peleg | enabling apache mod in debian can be done with ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/modname.load /etc/apach2/apache2/mods-enabled/modname.load, probably; is there a simpler command for that? |
| 16:35.29 | wols_ | peleg: a2enmod |
| 16:35.36 | peleg | wols_: thanks! |
| 16:35.50 | hyper__ch | claint: although promising it's of no use :( it can only mirror Server -> Local |
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| 16:37.46 | claint | hyper__ch: bummer. |
| 16:38.01 | hyper__ch | claint: actually I'm still trying |
| 16:39.09 | hyper__ch | claint: nah, just remote --> local mirroring |
| 16:39.39 | abrotman | what about using ftpfs ? |
| 16:40.09 | hyper__ch | abrotman: I tried curlftpfs but rsync "timed-out" |
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| 16:42.23 | abrotman | wonder why .. but okay |
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| 16:42.51 | hyper__ch | abrotman: well, is ftpfs different from curlftpfs? |
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| 16:43.27 | abrotman | might not be in debian anymore |
| 16:43.32 | JyZyXEL | what was that ncurse wizard for xorg.conf |
| 16:43.39 | hyper__ch | abrotman: nope, isn't anymore |
| 16:43.52 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 16:43.53 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 16:44.09 | hyper__ch | I found a nice howto with duplicity but when I run duplicity I just get tons of strange errors :) |
| 16:44.10 | claint | ftpfs was a kernel thing. curlftpfs uses fuse. |
| 16:44.36 | hyper__ch | when I search apt-repos it only returns curlftpfs |
| 16:44.45 | abrotman | yeah .. but ftpfs used to be a separate package |
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| 16:45.32 | hyper__ch | well, if all else fails I'll just make one huge .tar.gz file out of my backups and upload that once a day to my provider's backup server by ftp |
| 16:46.00 | claint | hyper__ch : there is a perl script someone wrote too, called ftpsync. |
| 16:46.13 | hyper__ch | claint: tried that also - and failed |
| 16:46.21 | claint | curlftpfs should work actually.... |
| 16:46.30 | hyper__ch | stat() on unopened filehandle _ at ./perlsync.pl line 59. |
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| 16:46.42 | claint | but i dont sync ftp stuff. |
| 16:47.20 | hyper__ch | tried curlftpfs and with rsync it fails at building the file list.... I read that it has to do with something on the server and there could settings be changed but I doubt my provider will do that |
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| 16:47.49 | claint | i use sshfs to reach common directories, use unison to sync my home directories, but i guess i don't eve go over the ftp port anymore. |
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| 16:48.21 | hyper__ch | claint: I'd love to do it over ssh or sshfs but it's a provider ftp-only backup server |
| 16:48.39 | claint | hyper__ch : yeah, we figured that out :) |
| 16:48.44 | hyper__ch | ^^ |
| 16:49.13 | hyper__ch | I posted in that duplicity howto that I'm facing some strange errors... maybe they know :) |
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| 16:49.41 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia |
| 16:49.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 16:49.50 | claint | i was also watching tsync, but i guess that project died for now.... |
| 16:50.07 | drkwolf | hyper__ch: do you just want to mirror/sync an ftp dir ? |
| 16:50.09 | hyper__ch | haven't heard of tsync :) |
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| 16:50.25 | xingu | hyper__ch: apt-cache show mirror |
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| 16:50.27 | hyper__ch | drkwolf: I just want to backup my server onto the provider provided bakcup-ftp-server |
| 16:50.53 | hyper__ch | drkwolf: I have full access to my server, but only ftp-access to the backup location |
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| 16:51.20 | drkwolf | hyper__ch: lftp -u username,password -e "mirror --delete --only-newer --verbose path/to/source_directory path/to/target_directory" ftpsite |
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| 16:51.55 | hyper__ch | drkwolf: as far as I understood the lftp man page it will mirror from server to local |
| 16:51.57 | xingu | oh how cool, electro house mix of the kitt theme :) |
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| 16:52.15 | xingu | ramps the bass |
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| 16:52.41 | drkwolf | hyper__ch: i'm not sure, wait .. |
| 16:52.48 | hyper__ch | drkwolf: :) |
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| 16:54.05 | hyper__ch | drkwolf: http://tutorials.papamike.ca/pub/lftp.html#mirroring |
| 16:54.12 | xand | I'm trying to get bluetooth working with lenny but "hcitool dev" doesn't find any devices... how can I check if the device is being found/working by the kernel? ;| |
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| 16:56.37 | claint | xand: dmesg should say something about it |
| 16:56.54 | kqr_ | if i have an install, where i have just installed x and openbox, how do i launch them in a nice way? |
| 16:57.11 | xand | claint: dmesg mentions blueooth stuff, but not sure about the actual device |
| 16:57.44 | Bushmills | kqr_: startx /usr/bin/openbox-session |
| 16:57.55 | JyZyXEL | whats lenny/sid |
| 16:57.57 | JyZyXEL | testing? |
| 16:58.07 | xand | lenny is testing, sid is unstable |
| 16:58.12 | Eulex | testing or unstable |
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| 16:58.32 | hyper__ch | I always thought Lenny is a character from Simpsons :) |
| 16:58.40 | JyZyXEL | dental plan |
| 16:58.44 | xand | toy story |
| 16:59.02 | hyper__ch | there's a lenny in toystory? |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | binoculars |
| 16:59.18 | claint | yeah |
| 16:59.32 | xand | all the debian releases are named after toystory characters |
| 16:59.42 | xand | which is somewhat silly imo |
| 17:00.08 | kqr_ | Bushmills: thanks, will try |
| 17:00.18 | hyper__ch | xand: is the reason that releases take such a long time between each other so that debian will not run out of toy story char names anytime soon? |
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| 17:00.22 | JyZyXEL | what happends when they run out of names |
| 17:00.32 | hyper__ch | JyZyXEL: ^^ |
| 17:00.33 | xand | hyper__ch: haha. |
| 17:00.37 | Bushmills | as if "jerky jaguar" or such was less silly :) |
| 17:00.38 | claint | they shoot a new toy story |
| 17:00.48 | JyZyXEL | ohh |
| 17:00.53 | claint | simple as that |
| 17:00.57 | hyper__ch | ^^ |
| 17:00.59 | JyZyXEL | so thats how it goes |
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| 17:02.24 | claint | it is the same problem when you got lotsa hosts in your domain and how you want to name them. |
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| 17:03.07 | hyper__ch | lol |
| 17:03.26 | drkwolf | hyper__ch: mount your ftp dir localy with curlftpfs (fuse) then rsync |
| 17:03.35 | vmuser_ | greetings if I am building a load balancing WAN router which of the debian netinstallers is recommended perhaps stable or something even older? |
| 17:03.37 | hyper__ch | drkwolf: doesn't work |
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| 17:03.44 | vmuser_ | I want to use shorewall |
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| 17:04.12 | Bushmills | vmuser_: stable should be fine |
| 17:04.23 | claint | hyper__ch : your curlftpfs might be timing out. maybe there is an option to keep it alive? |
| 17:04.45 | Bushmills | vmuser_: minimal image, probably |
| 17:04.46 | hyper__ch | claint: hmmm, none that I found so far :) |
| 17:05.22 | vmuser_ | right I wasnt sure but was thinking of not installing any of the pages including the base packages from the netinstaller menu...is this the recommendation? |
| 17:05.47 | claint | vmuser_ : base packages are called base for a reason. |
| 17:05.55 | Bushmills | menu ... taskselect, you mean? |
| 17:06.11 | Bushmills | where it says "desktop" "server" etc? |
| 17:06.36 | vmuser_ | yes bushmills |
| 17:06.53 | Bushmills | vmuser_: yeah, i'd skip that. and just go for what you actually want/need |
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| 17:07.27 | vmuser_ | any list of what is included in base...I still seem to be able to do most things except things like compile without extra packages |
| 17:07.29 | war9407 | http://liquidswords.org/~war/font.jpg <- How do I fix that font problem? I want to display _any_ type of font. |
| 17:07.43 | Bushmills | vmuser_: dpkg -l shows what is installed. |
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| 17:07.57 | Bushmills | vmuser_: apt-cache search ^ shows what is available |
| 17:08.10 | Bushmills | or, use a frontend. aptitude or dselect |
| 17:08.56 | JyZyXEL | hmm looks like there isn't a packet called nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 17:09.27 | stiv2k | anyone here good at configuring sendmail? Hotmail denies all the emails I send to them from my server.... |
| 17:10.01 | JyZyXEL | anyone know where this nvidia-kernel-legacy package is? |
| 17:10.32 | XLV | JyZyXEL, for older cards than gf2mx iirc |
| 17:10.46 | XLV | riva tnt, tnt2, riva128 etc |
| 17:11.07 | JyZyXEL | no i have GF4 |
| 17:11.15 | JyZyXEL | the 96xx series |
| 17:11.16 | claint | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.33 | claint | should be in non-free |
| 17:11.52 | JyZyXEL | deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 17:11.56 | JyZyXEL | atleast not in here its not |
| 17:12.10 | XLV | JyZyXEL, geforce 9600 the latest nvidia drivers is 169.21 iirc |
| 17:12.16 | vmuser_ | thanks guys |
| 17:12.24 | JyZyXEL | iirc? |
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| 17:12.33 | XLV | if i recall correctly |
| 17:12.39 | peleg | how can I update my "known hosts"? I can ping a subdomain from one server I have, but I can't do it from another one (I get "unknown host") |
| 17:13.07 | claint | JyZyXEL : i looked in sarge, and in it is in non-free. don't have non-free on my lenny at the moment. perhaps aptitude update? |
| 17:13.21 | JyZyXEL | i just updated |
| 17:13.37 | JyZyXEL | sarge is stable? |
| 17:13.56 | Bushmills | peleg, for central host name admin: use a dns. otherwise, edit /etc/hosts on each machine individually. or use nis (more or less obsolete) |
| 17:14.05 | JyZyXEL | !sarge |
| 17:14.06 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
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| 17:14.22 | claint | oops sorry i meant etch |
| 17:14.32 | JyZyXEL | ok ill get it from there |
| 17:14.33 | peleg | Bushmills: what do you mean "use a dns"? I believe that I have one, which is provided by my ISP |
| 17:14.54 | claint | JyZyXEL |
| 17:14.58 | JyZyXEL | what |
| 17:15.10 | Bushmills | peleg: you want to ping machines on your own net? your provider knows nothing about your machines. |
| 17:15.12 | peleg | I can use /etc/hosts, of course; but why can't I do it without it? refreshing the dns server or so? |
| 17:15.20 | claint | JyZyXEL : uhm, there are packages like nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-686 |
| 17:15.29 | claint | should be in lenny |
| 17:15.39 | JyZyXEL | no there is nothing like that in lenny |
| 17:15.40 | peleg | Bushmills: oh, sorry for being not clear; it's not on my own net. it's here: paste.freeallweb.org |
| 17:15.45 | peleg | you can probably ping it as well |
| 17:15.47 | Bushmills | peleg: but you could run a dns yourself, for your own net. makes sense when you have more than ... say .. 5 machines or such. |
| 17:15.50 | JyZyXEL | _nothing_ |
| 17:16.18 | JyZyXEL | ill get it from the etch repo |
| 17:17.02 | Bushmills | peleg: make the machine which doesn't know paste.freeallweb.org use your providers' dns. some dsl routers (if you have such) offer dns proxies, i.e. you can use your router as dns sometimes. |
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| 17:17.50 | JyZyXEL | looks like im goin back to 2.6.18 |
| 17:18.23 | peleg | Bushmills: I am using my provider's dns, I guess. I am afraid that my provider's dns is updated, but my computer is just "lost behind", and is not refreshing its known hosts... |
| 17:18.37 | Bushmills | peleg: unlikely. |
| 17:19.00 | peleg | Bushmills: oh, so you think that what might have happened is that my provider's dns is not updated? |
| 17:19.24 | Bushmills | peleg: also unlikely. but provider dns tend to be sources of problems. |
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| 17:19.57 | peleg | Bushmills: so I am confused; what is the "likely" source of the problem? |
| 17:20.00 | Bushmills | often, running your own recursive dns works better. |
| 17:20.17 | peleg | Bushmills: sounds a bit complicated. |
| 17:20.20 | Bushmills | peleg: i'd say, misconfiguration on the affecte machine. |
| 17:20.24 | Bushmills | affected |
| 17:21.27 | Bushmills | peleg: isn;'t that complicated. authoritative dns is more complicated than recursive (which is what you want) |
| 17:21.31 | peleg | Bushmills: which configuration? the only configuration for hosts that I know is /etc/hosts, but I shouldn't really update that file to "know" about new domains.. |
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| 17:21.47 | Bushmills | peleg: /etc/resolv,conf |
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| 17:21.58 | peleg | Bushmills: thanks, I'll check that |
| 17:22.07 | Bushmills | peleg: possibly /etc/host.conf |
| 17:22.50 | peleg | order hosts,bind \\ multi on ... looks ok... |
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| 17:23.03 | Bushmills | yeag |
| 17:23.04 | Bushmills | h |
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| 17:23.11 | adsf | hello |
| 17:23.17 | adsf | how can i upgrade to xrandr 1.2 |
| 17:23.24 | peleg | the "nameserver" in "resolv.conf" is my router. |
| 17:23.32 | peleg | (as you suggested) |
| 17:23.49 | peleg | so - maybe restarting the router should do... or is there a better solution? |
| 17:24.00 | Bushmills | peleg: install dnsutils, and look for the problem using the dig command |
| 17:24.18 | peleg | Bushmills: I have dig. I will try to play with it a bit... thanks |
| 17:24.39 | Bushmills | dig @yourrouter host.domain for a start |
| 17:25.23 | peleg | funny... I have done dig paste.freeallweb.org and it found it! still ping doesn't find it |
| 17:25.47 | peleg | oh, sorry. I take it back. |
| 17:25.52 | Bushmills | what does "doesn't find" mean? |
| 17:26.09 | Bushmills | you're not saying "no icmp replies coming back" i hope |
| 17:26.10 | peleg | ping output is: " unknown host paste.freeallweb.org" |
| 17:26.32 | peleg | dig paste.freeallweb.org finds only freeallweb.org |
| 17:27.03 | stiv2k | anyone here good at configuring sendmail? Hotmail denies all the emails I send to them from my server.... |
| 17:27.16 | adsf | i'm using etch and just installed xorg but it only has xrandr 1.1 |
| 17:28.26 | peleg | Bushmills: I am not sure what I am supposed to look for. it finds my router and my domain, but not my subdomain. |
| 17:28.55 | Bushmills | peleg: try dig @208.67.222.222 paste.freeallweb.org |
| 17:28.59 | Bushmills | is the result different? |
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| 17:29.37 | peleg | Bushmills: yes. it finds it. |
| 17:29.45 | peleg | paste.freeallweb.org. 86354 IN A 67.18.186.248 |
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| 17:30.03 | Bushmills | freeallweb.org is your domain? |
| 17:30.09 | peleg | indeed |
| 17:30.11 | Bushmills | when did you add paste? |
| 17:30.18 | peleg | a few hours ago |
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| 17:30.39 | Bushmills | ah. your provider DNS has still the previous answer cached |
| 17:30.57 | peleg | Bushmills: oh, that was my first thought :-) |
| 17:30.59 | Bushmills | wait 6...24 h. depending on what is given as TTL |
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| 17:31.21 | peleg | Bushmills: TTL forever, I think. I have never understood what it is for ... |
| 17:31.37 | Bushmills | time to live. |
| 17:31.37 | peleg | yes, I know that |
| 17:31.38 | Bushmills | instructs name servers to keep a record for that timer |
| 17:31.41 | Bushmills | time |
| 17:31.52 | peleg | but it's a *new( subdomain. |
| 17:32.15 | Bushmills | provider dns seems to cache misses too |
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| 17:32.28 | Bushmills | and you tried ping it before it was updated |
| 17:33.04 | Bushmills | your ttl is 1 day btw |
| 17:33.32 | peleg | Bushmills: weird; when adding the A/AAAA record I chose "forever" |
| 17:33.44 | Bushmills | the first number behind "answer" when you dig freeallweb.org shows how long it will still remain in provider dns |
| 17:34.02 | peleg | Bushmills: oh, my mistake. |
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| 17:34.07 | peleg | it's not "forever" ... |
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| 17:34.25 | peleg | Bushmills: I see. good to know, thanks! |
| 17:34.48 | Bushmills | 86400 - 1 day - is a commonly used TTL |
| 17:35.35 | peleg | Bushmills: thanks |
| 17:35.39 | Bushmills | np |
| 17:37.32 | Bushmills | peleg: you're israeli in the u.k.? |
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| 17:38.01 | docsnuggles | Hi! I've read the cups documentation, but could not find an commandline parameter to submit values to a script like the -Z option, lprng knows (lpr -ZVAR=VALUE). Any hints? |
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| 17:38.31 | JyZyXEL | installing "nvidia-glx" wants to remove "x-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core" |
| 17:38.49 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck would be the point having GLX with no xorg |
| 17:39.36 | CoolCold | hi |
| 17:39.39 | docsnuggles | Maybe there is an extra package of xorg for nvidia? |
| 17:39.59 | JyZyXEL | aptitude seems to make it more clear |
| 17:40.08 | JyZyXEL | it just wants me to downgrade to stable |
| 17:40.13 | JyZyXEL | with those packages |
| 17:40.16 | CoolCold | i have nofile limit for me set to 100000, and when i restart for example snmpd, it has 100000 nofile limit to, how i can disable this? |
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| 17:41.53 | xingu | JyZyXEL: might be some point if you were intending to use the gpu for CUDA apps |
| 17:42.40 | JyZyXEL | just trying to make the 3D work |
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| 17:44.33 | docsnuggles | JyZyXEL: Use the drivers from nvidia's website and the corresponding install routine. I use them on lenny since a year and they work pretty well. |
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| 17:45.42 | Bushmills | "Ubuntu Pastebin Posted by Peleg Michaeli" |
| 17:45.49 | JyZyXEL | the installer sux they say |
| 17:46.11 | docsnuggles | well it is not the debian way but it works |
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| 17:47.08 | Bushmills | "peleg > Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) "" ... |
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| 17:48.17 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about nvidia_post_etch |
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| 17:55.53 | stiv2k | hey does sendmail require any extra configuration to setup a Sender-ID record? OR is that done just in the DNS? |
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| 17:57.28 | JyZyXEL | well the etch modules aren't working |
| 17:58.19 | JyZyXEL | and looks like i really broke the apt nicely this time |
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| 17:59.35 | smica | uptime |
| 17:59.41 | smica | sorry |
| 17:59.48 | JyZyXEL | looks like its a complete reinstall time! |
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| 18:00.22 | Tyrant91101 | Does anyone know why "dmesg" doesn't display anything? |
| 18:00.32 | Tyrant91101 | Also, all of the dmesg logs are empty |
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| 18:01.04 | peterrooney | Tyrant91101: how much space left on the boot and root partitions? |
| 18:01.25 | Tyrant91101 | boot im not sure, root would be about 40-50 gigs |
| 18:01.38 | Tyrant91101 | though I don't think theres a boot partition because this is an OpenVZ virtual environment |
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| 18:08.40 | haole | hey there... which channel should i go to get package building support? |
| 18:09.06 | sandman | Shouldn't all CD burners support 1x speed writing? And also, if I write very slowly to a CD, will it be easier for some CD-ROMs to read? |
| 18:09.10 | sandman | Let me give an example |
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| 18:09.18 | sandman | My laptop is severely broken, but just for fun, I wanted to try and make it work. |
| 18:09.50 | sandman | It has bad RAM in it, for which I won't use the BadRAM kernel patch. Instead, I will use reserve memory using memmap=span$memoryAddress for working around it. |
| 18:09.50 | Deezire | Burning at slow speed reduces the chance of writing errorous information to the disk |
| 18:09.55 | peterrooney | Tyrant91101: well, no boot partition doesn't change the first question: how much space is available? |
| 18:10.07 | sandman | The CD-ROM in te laptop, however, WILL read pressed CD-ROMs |
| 18:10.09 | wrathchild | hello, using xfce and debian, it looks like ctrlaltdel does not follow my inittab command. Is it xfce that I need to configure? thanks |
| 18:10.12 | sandman | Just not CD-Rs. |
| 18:10.32 | sandman | I need to make a CD-R as close to a pressed CD-ROM as possible |
| 18:10.51 | XLV | sandman, depends.. some very fast cds eg 52x wont be written better at 1x.. cause writers dont have info for such disks to be written on such low speeds.. also newer burners dont support such slow speeds |
| 18:11.13 | Eulex | sandman, you're still at it? |
| 18:11.13 | XLV | sandman, i would suggest a quality cdr eg from taiyo yuden |
| 18:11.18 | kanzure | haole: Maybe in here. But also try the mailing lists. |
| 18:11.20 | sandman | Eulex: Yeah. It's my little project =) |
| 18:11.24 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 18:11.40 | MrNaz | hi Eulex! how's things? |
| 18:11.45 | sandman | I discovered this: When I rewired the other laptop CD-ROM to it, the CD-ROM worked. However, it then wouldn't recognize the laptop's HDD |
| 18:12.06 | sandman | This lead me to believe that the laptop DVD-ROM that I was using to replace the broken one was, in fact, configured as Primary Master. |
| 18:12.07 | haole | kanzure, im making a package that needs ruby1.9 to compile, but the default ruby distribution for debian lenny is ruby1.8... is there an easy way to make my building process use ruby1.9 binnaries and headers instead of 1.8's? |
| 18:12.28 | sandman | And the laptop the DVD-ROM was originally installed in had a SCSI disk at sda. |
| 18:12.32 | Eulex | MrNaz, all fine |
| 18:12.44 | kanzure | I am not familiar with the system quite yet, haole. It might be that you have to make your package use what lenny demands. |
| 18:12.58 | haole | kanzure, ok thanks |
| 18:13.21 | sandman | This is likely why the HDD wasn't recognized whenever the new DVD-ROM was put into it. I also tried goodbye-microsoft.com. THis worked, but: There was no option for getting the networking functioning, as it is, once again, a WPC11 v4 realtek chipset, for which I'd need either 2.6.24+ kernel for built-in support, or tools to compile the ndiswrapper module. |
| 18:13.39 | sandman | So, all that aside, I have two questions. |
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| 18:13.58 | sandman | First, if I buy a Debian CD-ROM, will it be pressed, or just some CD-R written by a standard CD writer? |
| 18:14.32 | stiv2k | can someone clarify what this email header information menas? |
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| 18:14.34 | sandman | Secondly, would it be possible, do you think, to use goodbye-windows, manually download the ndiswrapper modules deb for use with the etch netboot kernel used in the install with goodbye-microsoft |
| 18:14.34 | stiv2k | SenderID-MFROM-Method Result: softfail(gline.org: domain of transitioning gline.org does not designate 69.60.114.58 as permitted sender) |
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| 18:14.45 | sandman | And install it while in installer mode? |
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| 18:15.06 | simonrvn | stiv2k: SPF |
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| 18:15.19 | stiv2k | simonrvn: I have an SPF record setup though, I dont know why its failing |
| 18:15.32 | stiv2k | simonrvn: SPF-Record-MFROM Scope: v=spf1 ~all |
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| 18:16.09 | stiv2k | simonrvn: can you help me with this, ive been tryin to get it working for 2 days now |
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| 18:16.33 | simonrvn | the spf record in in your domain, in a TXT RR? |
| 18:16.42 | simonrvn | is in* |
| 18:16.50 | stiv2k | yeah |
| 18:17.05 | simonrvn | www.pobox.com (if i remember that right) has a "wizard" for that stuff, and docs |
| 18:17.12 | simonrvn | lemme check it |
| 18:17.18 | stiv2k | gline.org.INTXT"v=spf1 ?all" |
| 18:17.18 | stiv2k | gline.org IN PTR gline.org. |
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| 18:18.30 | freebird | you guys, I've a quad core, I suppose I should use a Debian 64b, right ? if so, is it worth ?? I mean, will I have everything ?? |
| 18:18.39 | stiv2k | sandman: where is the wizard? |
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| 18:18.41 | stiv2k | oops |
| 18:18.46 | azeth | yo |
| 18:18.48 | stiv2k | simonrvn: where is the wizard? |
| 18:18.55 | kanzure | I share freebird's questions. I'm looking into getting a quadcore setup. |
| 18:18.59 | Tyrant91101 | ls |
| 18:19.07 | Eulex | freebird, it will only be worth it if you have 4gb ram or more. |
| 18:19.16 | azeth | i've got a problem with LD_INCLUDE_PATH |
| 18:19.17 | freebird | Eulex, Ive 2 gb |
| 18:19.32 | simonrvn | stiv2k: never mind that, check out openspf.org instead. they must've moved it. |
| 18:19.37 | azeth | g++ don't look into this path |
| 18:19.42 | Eulex | freebird, what's the purpose of the box? |
| 18:19.50 | simonrvn | stiv2k: you need mx: record there |
| 18:19.54 | simonrvn | record(s) |
| 18:19.58 | stiv2k | simonrvn: there are mx records |
| 18:19.59 | freebird | I will use as a php/mysql host |
| 18:20.02 | freebird | Eulex, |
| 18:20.11 | stiv2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.13 | stiv2k | err |
| 18:20.15 | simonrvn | gline.org.INTXT"v=spf1 ?all" # not in there |
| 18:20.19 | Eulex | freebird, then I guess it won't be a problem that there's no 64-bit java or flash plugin? :) |
| 18:20.19 | stiv2k | simonrvn: can I /msg you |
| 18:20.21 | azeth | for example #include <mypath/lib> doesn't work |
| 18:20.24 | simonrvn | you need them there too |
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| 18:20.34 | azeth | someone got any suggestions? |
| 18:20.34 | freebird | Eulex, I guess not, right ? |
| 18:20.38 | Eulex | freebird, i.e. all should be fine if you run amd64 |
| 18:21.25 | freebird | Eulex, I see, and I will be getting 2x what I use to when talking about the processor, wont I ? |
| 18:21.43 | Eulex | freebird, 2x speed? no, not really |
| 18:21.48 | freebird | Eulex, or it's not like that, |
| 18:22.26 | Bushmills | more like it will be slightly slower than with 32 bit ... |
| 18:22.35 | freebird | Eulex, why not, when using 32bit mode, the processor can only carry 32b of information, now, it will do 2x more, |
| 18:22.46 | freebird | Bushmills, no shit ?? |
| 18:23.00 | Bushmills | freebird: can you eat faster if you use a spade instead of a spoon? |
| 18:23.01 | freebird | Bushmills, why is that ? |
| 18:23.10 | amphi | Bushmills: heh |
| 18:23.19 | vraa-ubuntu | 64bit = more precision i think, so each thing takes up just a lil bit more memory |
| 18:23.27 | vraa-ubuntu | 32bit doesn't mean 32mb of information lol |
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| 18:23.35 | freebird | Bushmills, you mean because I've only 2gb of ram ?? |
| 18:23.36 | vraa-ubuntu | justm eans you can handle more information, 64bit vs 32bit isn't really about speed |
| 18:23.39 | Bushmills | freebird: you're right if you deal with quantities beyond 4 billion |
| 18:23.47 | Bushmills | but usually you don't |
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| 18:24.12 | freebird | I see, generaly when rendering a movie right, that kind of big tasks |
| 18:24.13 | Eulex | freebird, stuff that requires 64-bit or larger integers (like encryption, hashing etc) will be faster. everything else will be slightly faster or slower. |
| 18:24.31 | Eulex | freebird, probably not. |
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| 18:25.17 | freebird | Eulex, I see, if you had one would you install 64 or 32bits ? |
| 18:25.18 | Eulex | freebird, because that would use a lot of floating point arithmetic, which the intel processors have had 80-bit registers of since at least the 80387 |
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| 18:25.36 | Eulex | freebird, this is about integers. |
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| 18:25.54 | Eulex | freebird, if I would have it as a server, I would probably install amd64 |
| 18:26.24 | freebird | Eulex, ok, tks for the help |
| 18:26.27 | freebird | tks you guys |
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| 18:28.30 | Assid | heya |
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| 18:28.52 | Assid | err.. what was the name of that desktop .. the light one.. xfce right? |
| 18:30.26 | joltcan | xfce is one alternative, yes |
| 18:30.28 | Bushmills | makes mental note to himself "upgrade to 64 bits before 2038" |
| 18:30.38 | Eulex | Bushmills, :) |
| 18:30.40 | joltcan | :) |
| 18:30.48 | Eulex | or face y2k38! |
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| 18:31.07 | KageSenshi | pokes piju |
| 18:31.09 | joltcan | I guess you will have lot more than 4GB ram before then, so the upgrade might come sooner than you think |
| 18:31.18 | joltcan | is officially bored |
| 18:31.19 | piju | hello KageSenshi |
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| 18:31.23 | piju | KageSenshi, ive been calling u |
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| 18:31.34 | piju | why u didnt reply me ? then u kicks me ? |
| 18:31.38 | KageSenshi | piju, and i've been responding to u |
| 18:31.40 | Bushmills | joltcan: i suppose you're right there. |
| 18:31.41 | piju | ha ? |
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| 18:31.58 | Bushmills | even though i like lean designs |
| 18:33.00 | claint | Bushmills : what keeps you from upgrading to 64 bits? |
| 18:33.21 | kanzure | Eulex: Hm. I'm thinking of doing a quadcore for my day-to-day computer setup. http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/New_comp has the specs I'm looking at. I sometimes, maybe, sort of need to look at flash and some java apps. Will this be an issue? |
| 18:33.30 | Bushmills | and there is still the chance that our concept of computers changes still in time. rather than one or few powerful machines a lot of smaller devices. |
| 18:33.33 | irule | hi there, Ive got an E1 connection, whatever that is, and I used wireshark to look at packets, I found a few from a cisco router asking, who answers to several ip addresses? well, I asked my new boss, he said that he asked for them but are not being used, so, how may I add virtual ethernet card to claim those addresses? I would like to separate them to be able to be much more creative with... |
| 18:33.35 | irule | ...iptables |
| 18:33.43 | Bushmills | claint: now? my k7 |
| 18:33.55 | JyZyXEL | stew this nvidia post_etch thing is buggy |
| 18:34.06 | Eulex | kanzure, currently, you need to use a 32-bits browser for that. it's not the easiest thing to install, but it works. |
| 18:34.20 | kanzure | Eulex: So I can run a 32bit-compiled-browser on a 64bit proc? |
| 18:34.23 | kanzure | *processor |
| 18:34.36 | Bushmills | kanzure: intel or amd? |
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| 18:34.39 | kanzure | Bushmills: intel |
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| 18:34.44 | kanzure | Bushmills: Willing to switch to AMD, though. |
| 18:34.52 | Eulex | kanzure, yes. they're backwards-compatible. |
| 18:34.52 | Bushmills | yes,. but with loss pf performance |
| 18:34.59 | Eulex | kanzure, you can run a full 32-bit os on them. |
| 18:35.09 | kanzure | of performance in what areas? |
| 18:35.09 | kanzure | FPU? |
| 18:35.24 | kanzure | okay |
| 18:35.24 | Bushmills | (assuming cpu runs 64 bit kernel) |
| 18:35.44 | pablo | hi, i removed the locales package, i want to use the default language, however when i boot it says something that it couldnt set the LC_something, how can i avoid that warning? |
| 18:36.24 | Bushmills | intel cpus - not sure about the recent designs - introduced some overhead when excecuting 32 bit code in 64 bit mode. contrary to amd 64 bitters |
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| 18:37.00 | kanzure | Bushmills: Intel doesn't publish their schematics, do they ? |
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| 18:37.40 | Bushmills | if they'd publish their designs, i doubt they'd do it as schematics |
| 18:37.46 | Bushmills | but even though, no. |
| 18:37.49 | Bushmills | so |
| 18:37.55 | vjoe | hey |
| 18:38.15 | joltcan | irule: if you read man ifconfig there will be a section called interfaces. this says you can use eth0:0 as a virtual interface. You can also add them directly to /etc/network/interfaces, so I suggest you take a look at all the files in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples, especially the network-interfaces.gz |
| 18:38.28 | xand | !hcl |
| 18:38.28 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 18:39.19 | Bushmills | kanzure: before switching, make sure first that what i tell you still applies for intel's recent dedigns. |
| 18:39.21 | Bushmills | designs |
| 18:40.06 | Bushmills | maybe somebody here can confirm or contradict |
| 18:40.21 | irule | kewl thanks joltcan |
| 18:40.37 | pablo | hi, is the locales package necesary for the system? |
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| 18:41.47 | Bushmills | necessary, no. |
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| 18:42.16 | extor | what is a kernel oops message? |
| 18:42.34 | JyZyXEL | i tried building the nvidia-kernel module but i get: http://pastebin.com/m6f5b2751 |
| 18:42.42 | pablo | Bushmills: it is only necesary if i want to use another from the def language right? |
| 18:42.43 | JyZyXEL | weird make errors |
| 18:42.45 | joltcan | extor: its a debug message saying that something in the kernel went poo |
| 18:42.51 | azeth | hello, i have an issue with g++, LD_INCLUDE_PATH doesn't work |
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| 18:43.11 | extor | joltcan so is a reboot recommended? how do I investigate/fix this? |
| 18:43.19 | Bushmills | pablo: some packages depend on it but not too many. sun java, openoffice, things like that |
| 18:43.29 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, that means that the version of the nvidia module you're building is incompatible with your kernel. |
| 18:43.43 | JyZyXEL | gah |
| 18:43.45 | joltcan | extor: Write it down and google it. I don'ät really think you can do much if you are not a developer |
| 18:43.47 | JyZyXEL | what version does it need then |
| 18:43.59 | JyZyXEL | NVIDIA includes support for a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:44.11 | Eulex | the numer after that is what is relevant |
| 18:44.22 | Eulex | the kernel interfaces change between 2.6.x releases |
| 18:44.53 | JyZyXEL | maybe i can use a precompiled one |
| 18:44.54 | JyZyXEL | nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.18-6-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-686 (legacy version) |
| 18:44.55 | Eulex | (1) what nvidia module driver version are you trying to compile? (2) what kernel are you using? |
| 18:45.35 | pablo | Bushmills: how can i remove that warning i mentioned? |
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| 18:45.49 | JyZyXEL | Eulex 1. nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8776-4 2.2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:46.01 | Bushmills | pablo: what warning? |
| 18:46.04 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: what nvidia chip do you have? |
| 18:46.10 | JyZyXEL | 4600 Ti |
| 18:46.29 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, that nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.18-6-686 package will only work with a 2.6.18-6-686 kernel |
| 18:46.31 | wols_ | you use a etch nvidia driver with a lenny or sid kernel... |
| 18:46.40 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:46.50 | pablo | Bushmills: when i boot the machine it says LC_ALL coudnt be set and LANG |
| 18:46.55 | Eulex | anyway, you should get a newer version of the nvidia driver. |
| 18:47.04 | wols_ | Eulex: and this precompiled package will only work with GF3 or lower |
| 18:47.26 | Bushmills | pablo: what does echo $LC_ALL give? |
| 18:47.26 | JyZyXEL | wols_ post etch means lenny or sid |
| 18:47.26 | Eulex | wols_, point :) |
| 18:47.32 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you certainly don't run an etch kernel |
| 18:47.39 | JyZyXEL | well certainly not |
| 18:47.49 | JyZyXEL | i run nothing etch at the moment |
| 18:47.55 | wols_ | so why do you expect a etch nvidia driver to work? |
| 18:48.05 | JyZyXEL | what its for eatch? |
| 18:48.16 | JyZyXEL | why is it in lenny repository then |
| 18:48.17 | wols_ | 8776 is the etch nvidia driver version yes |
| 18:48.24 | pablo | Bushmills: echo $LC_ALL gives a empty line and echo $LANG gives es_AR.UTF-8 |
| 18:48.28 | wols_ | and no there is NO nvidia driver in Lenny and a far newer in sid |
| 18:48.29 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, it's not. |
| 18:48.35 | JyZyXEL | yea it is |
| 18:48.44 | JyZyXEL | i only have lenny sources in my apt.sources |
| 18:48.49 | Bushmills | pablo: setting $LANG to "C" might do the trick. |
| 18:48.54 | Eulex | !find nvidia-kernel-source lenny |
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| 18:49.20 | duk3 | hello there, people |
| 18:49.23 | JyZyXEL | apt-get update && apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 18:49.27 | JyZyXEL | nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 18:49.39 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: tere is none: http://pastebin.com/m6f5b2751 |
| 18:49.42 | Eulex | JyZyXEL, apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source... |
| 18:49.50 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: show us the apt-cache policy line for this package you get |
| 18:49.52 | pablo | Bushmills: how do i do that? |
| 18:49.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia-kernel-source' (1): (/usr/share/modass/packages/nvidia-kernel-source) in devel/module-assistant. |
| 18:50.03 | duk3 | anyone knows the compiz-fusion package name? I read is in oficial repositories but can't find it |
| 18:50.17 | wols_ | duk3: compiz |
| 18:50.18 | JyZyXEL | it outputs 6 lines |
| 18:50.21 | Inazad | someone heres got a Ph.D in Computer Sciences ? |
| 18:50.22 | El_Guillermo | compiz is |
| 18:50.23 | pablo | Bushmills: LANG=C, and it should be solved? |
| 18:50.25 | El_Guillermo | not fusion |
| 18:50.28 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about pastebin |
| 18:50.39 | duk3 | wols_: thanks! |
| 18:50.54 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/m3c71dd2e |
| 18:50.57 | wols_ | duk3: it's a quite old version of compiz tho. maybe check backports |
| 18:51.07 | pablo | Bushmills: what is C? |
| 18:51.11 | Bushmills | pablo: you might want to set LC_ALL to C too |
| 18:51.18 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: it's only on YOUR disk, in no lenny repo |
| 18:51.29 | JyZyXEL | well |
| 18:51.43 | wols_ | lenny has NO nvidia drivers AT ALL |
| 18:51.50 | pablo | Bushmills: ok, is c any spacial english? |
| 18:51.53 | JyZyXEL | what should i do then |
| 18:52.05 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: which means you need to do your own backport from sid. and yes you are expected to know how when you want to run lenny |
| 18:52.07 | Bushmills | that's for app default |
| 18:52.23 | Eulex | pablo, C is the default language, i.e. usually american english |
| 18:52.25 | JyZyXEL | !backport |
| 18:52.25 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 18:52.44 | pablo | Eulex: ok thanks for the info |
| 18:52.58 | azeth | hello again, my g++ on etch doesn't look into nostandard library path (LD_LIBRARY_PATH), how can I fix it? |
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| 18:53.56 | JyZyXEL | wols_ so should i backport the package "nvidia-kernel-source" from sid |
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| 18:54.22 | wols_ | not just the kernel source. the whole driver |
| 18:54.22 | Bushmills | azeth: probably by edting ld.so.conf and running ldconfig |
| 18:54.38 | JyZyXEL | wols_ the precompiled kernel module? |
| 18:54.52 | azeth | Bushmills: but have non-root access |
| 18:54.58 | wols_ | there is no precompiled kernel module fo you anywhewre |
| 18:54.59 | JyZyXEL | prolly gonna need a new kernel with that |
| 18:55.07 | wols_ | no you doN't |
| 18:55.25 | JyZyXEL | if im lucky i don't |
| 18:55.52 | wols_ | if you have a clue you don't. if you act dumb you will and you will still have no nvidia driver running |
| 18:55.54 | Eulex | then you're lucky today |
| 18:55.57 | Bushmills | azeth: pass lib path in makefile |
| 18:56.14 | Bushmills | or set environment var |
| 18:56.26 | JyZyXEL | so whats the name for that nvidia driver package? |
| 18:56.34 | azeth | I set environment var |
| 18:56.35 | Eulex | is LD_LIBRARY_PATH really used when compiling? |
| 18:56.40 | JyZyXEL | im not sure how to search sid repos with dpkg bot |
| 18:56.41 | wols_ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not for g++ loading a library when compiling |
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| 18:56.54 | wols_ | it's only for programs to load it when they themselves are run |
| 18:56.56 | JyZyXEL | !search |
| 18:56.56 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 18:56.59 | azeth | wols_ so what is used? |
| 18:57.15 | wols_ | what Bushmills said |
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| 18:57.50 | Bushmills | was me suggesting to set environment var. was wrong, sorry. |
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| 18:58.10 | wols_ | Bushmills: you are right. just the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the wrong var |
| 18:58.11 | JyZyXEL | hmm i think ill need the nvidia-glx |
| 18:58.15 | pablo | Bushmills: hi, LC_CTYPE keeps complaining |
| 18:58.23 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you need the nvidia SOURCES |
| 18:58.23 | JyZyXEL | or nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 18:58.29 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: neither |
| 18:58.46 | JyZyXEL | does my card fall in the legacy genre? |
| 18:59.05 | wols_ | no |
| 18:59.19 | wols_ | but you still don't need either of those glx packages |
| 18:59.22 | JyZyXEL | then i want the nvidia-kernel-source from sid repo |
| 18:59.25 | wols_ | you build your own glx package |
| 18:59.29 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 18:59.51 | JyZyXEL | hmm |
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| 19:00.13 | JyZyXEL | thats the only source in the list |
| 19:00.21 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: stop looking at binaries and look at SOURCES |
| 19:00.21 | Bushmills | LC_CTYPE? thought yo dealt with LC_ALL and LANG. well, same pattern i guess. |
| 19:00.39 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: and sources are not in binary repos |
| 19:01.05 | JyZyXEL | there are source repos? |
| 19:01.36 | wols_ | debian is a GPL distro. what do you think? |
| 19:01.40 | JyZyXEL | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages the site is in some weird language |
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| 19:02.04 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about simple sid backport |
| 19:02.06 | pablo | hi, i set a variable to a value, how do i seve it to persist? |
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| 19:02.43 | Bushmills | pablo, etch? lenny? ubuntu? |
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| 19:02.46 | wols_ | pablo: persist in what way? across reboots? |
| 19:02.52 | JyZyXEL | if i wanna backport i first need to know the pakage name that i wanna backport |
| 19:02.52 | pablo | Bushmills: lenny |
| 19:03.05 | pablo | wols_: yes across reboots |
| 19:03.08 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: the source package for the nvidia packages |
| 19:03.14 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.28 | wols_ | pablo: you need to put it into a (script)file that gets executed when booting |
| 19:03.32 | wols_ | or logging in |
| 19:03.40 | pablo | wols_: ok |
| 19:04.01 | rixsdfsd | Hello. Are the keys created by gnupg impacted by the bug of security OpenSSL ? |
| 19:04.17 | JyZyXEL | ok now i can see the page in english |
| 19:04.26 | pablo | wols_: where is the LANG variable saved? |
| 19:04.28 | Bushmills | oh. /etc/environment ist debian? looks like a personal addition. |
| 19:04.33 | JyZyXEL | its either "nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx" or "nvidia-graphics-drivers" |
| 19:04.47 | pablo | Bushmills: thats doesnt exist, /etc/environment |
| 19:04.57 | Bushmills | pablo: my fault |
| 19:05.02 | JyZyXEL | in some list my card falled to 96xx genre |
| 19:05.04 | Bushmills | customized here |
| 19:06.03 | pablo | wols_: where is the variable LANG saved? |
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| 19:06.58 | JyZyXEL | im not sure if someone has already backported it |
| 19:07.00 | wols_ | not necessarily anywhere. usually it's set in /etc/environment if at all |
| 19:07.22 | pablo | wols_: that fine doesnt existe |
| 19:07.24 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.35 | JyZyXEL | there is a nvidia-glx in the backports |
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| 19:09.07 | pleed | Hi, where is libapache2-mod-mysql ? |
| 19:09.25 | pleed | cant find it |
| 19:09.32 | JyZyXEL | E: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx |
| 19:09.42 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 19:09.53 | JyZyXEL | thats IS the fucking source packet |
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| 19:10.48 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you aremissing source repos in your sources.list |
| 19:10.52 | Bushmills | there is no no-liabilty statement in the topic of this channel or elsewhere. what is the legal situation for accidently giving misguided advise, if no statement requiring support seekers to waif claims from damage towards the person who tried to support? |
| 19:11.10 | Bushmills | waive .. |
| 19:11.11 | wols_ | pleed: what would apache need a mysql mod for? |
| 19:11.13 | JyZyXEL | oh they in different repos |
| 19:11.15 | JyZyXEL | didn't know that |
| 19:11.34 | JyZyXEL | i don't have their address |
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| 19:11.40 | benjamindees | Bushmills, the legal situation is you get what you pay for |
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| 19:12.04 | Bushmills | benjamindees: is that what you hope, or a reality? |
| 19:12.06 | pleed | wols_: i d like to install a phpkit. that script doesnt continue after i made the setup for database creation and i think i can remember such a package |
| 19:12.24 | benjamindees | heh, germany, lol |
| 19:12.30 | Bushmills | obtaining something for free dsoesn't mean that you have no rights |
| 19:12.30 | wols_ | pleed: there is none |
| 19:12.38 | wols_ | pleed: there is no such apache mod either |
| 19:12.41 | benjamindees | Bushmills, ask your fuher; here it does |
| 19:12.44 | pleed | wols_: okay thanks |
| 19:12.47 | wols_ | pleed: why can't you use the debian php5? |
| 19:12.57 | JyZyXEL | !repos |
| 19:12.57 | dpkg | repos is probably See entry for 'sources.list' |
| 19:13.09 | JyZyXEL | !sources.list |
| 19:13.09 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:13.14 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about msg the bot |
| 19:13.51 | Jacob_H | Bushmills: for the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedley_Byrne_v._Heller |
| 19:13.51 | Bushmills | benjamindees: "here, have this virus for free" |
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| 19:14.17 | Bushmills | because it was free, no claims possible? |
| 19:14.23 | benjamindees | Bushmills, that doesn't sound like "misguided advice" |
| 19:14.25 | Jacob_H | (without liability for wikipedia entirely missing the point) |
| 19:14.35 | wols_ | Bushmills: the law recognizes intent |
| 19:14.44 | fluffy_k1tty | When running a ./configure script I get this error. Which package do I need to install? |
| 19:14.47 | fluffy_k1tty | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 19:14.51 | Bushmills | benjamindees: true. just illustrating the problem |
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| 19:14.59 | JyZyXEL | someone pastebin me a full sources.list |
| 19:15.01 | wols_ | fluffy_k1tty: the -dev package for your qt |
| 19:15.12 | benjamindees | wols_, in civilized jurisdictions at least |
| 19:15.27 | n0mad | ei hi, can crontab start/kill programs ? |
| 19:15.33 | wols_ | benjamindees: even in europe and the US |
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| 19:15.42 | wols_ | n0mad: cron can |
| 19:15.58 | wols_ | ctrontab is just a config file |
| 19:16.04 | Bushmills | n one of my disclaimers i advised users to not stick their tongues into the computer power supply. |
| 19:16.19 | wols_ | Bushmills: good advice |
| 19:16.27 | benjamindees | wols_, most of the time |
| 19:16.34 | toad_ | any ideas why courier-imap doesn't start for me? : Starting Courier IMAP server:/etc/init.d/courier-imap: xrealloc: ../bash/subst.c:512: cannot reallocate 512 bytes (0 bytes allocated) |
| 19:16.39 | jelly-home | Bushmills: meh, let darwin have his due |
| 19:16.48 | JyZyXEL | what are the repo addresses called officially? |
| 19:16.58 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: mirrors? |
| 19:17.18 | streuner | !mirrors |
| 19:17.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 19:17.22 | StealthCP | I'm creating a package that should depend on wine of version higher than or equal to 1.0rc2 or equal to or lower than 0.9.55. In the control file, how would I depict this in the depends section? |
| 19:17.34 | fluffy_k1tty | wols_: but there's no 'qt' package. How can I find which version I have? |
| 19:17.40 | pleed | wols_: i have installed php5 but phpkit cant do its installation (no errors, just nothing) |
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| 19:17.50 | streuner | fluffy_k1tty: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:17.53 | n0mad | yes but it wont, hmn; yes it is config, but it wont start what ii wont; program requires console window (but it is not necesery to me) |
| 19:18.04 | n0mad | any suggestions :} ? |
| 19:18.16 | fluffy_k1tty | streuner: ri libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:18.23 | wols_ | aplsin: debian has a php6-mysql package. that's usually used for mysql access. also you can make php display errors and there is also the apche2 logs |
| 19:18.28 | JyZyXEL | why don't they have sources in any mirror |
| 19:18.36 | streuner | fluffy_k1tty: isn't that app, you wanna compile in Debian? |
| 19:18.42 | JyZyXEL | just contrib main and non-free |
| 19:18.49 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: every official mirror has sources. all of them |
| 19:19.06 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: man sources.list |
| 19:19.08 | fluffy_k1tty | streuner: sorry, I didn't quite understand your question |
| 19:19.29 | streuner | fluffy_k1tty: what kind of program do you want compile? |
| 19:19.31 | JyZyXEL | there is a source directory under all of them |
| 19:19.35 | StealthCP | you ought to type that command into the console, and see what it brings up |
| 19:19.39 | wols_ | fluffy_k1tty: dpkg -l |grep qt I am sure some packages show up |
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| 19:20.18 | lagbolt | Hey, looking at the HP mininote , anyone got debian running on it? i see some people saying they had some troubles online getting ubuntu on it but it comes with suse so figure it cant be too hard to get debian on |
| 19:20.47 | fluffy_k1tty | streuner: Its a program for showing a lord of the rings map ( not in debian repos). |
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| 19:20.58 | bier_ | is there a way to install lenny without using the weekly built cd-images? the installer says "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive" - so i just can't install from that cd |
| 19:21.09 | wols_ | bier_: install etch |
| 19:21.17 | sidhartha | /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 19:21.26 | streuner | fluffy_k1tty: bad, but there should a INSTALL or/and README about, it surely show what kind of -dev package you need |
| 19:22.00 | wols_ | streuner: since when does every upstream tarball have build instructions for every known distro on earth? |
| 19:22.33 | streuner | wols_: not for any known distro, but for *nix :-) |
| 19:22.34 | plota | probably since people filled their mailbox with questions |
| 19:22.41 | StealthCP | at least debian wols_, as it's quite a common place distro, and many are based off it |
| 19:23.21 | StealthCP | I do realise Red Hat and Debian use completely different naing schemes at times.. fluffy_k1tty: can you provide a link to the program's homepage? |
| 19:23.44 | streuner | most of developers just use Debian, btw |
| 19:24.02 | jelly-home | fluffy_k1tty: use apt-cache search "libqt.*-dev" to find out possible -dev packages |
| 19:24.04 | wols_ | he needs to use the dev package for whatever qt lib that has has on his system. I told him how to find the library |
| 19:24.26 | wols_ | streuner: and almost none writes good docs |
| 19:24.39 | JyZyXEL | Vim syntax hilight suggests this is wrong: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main/source contrib/source non-free/source |
| 19:24.43 | streuner | feel free to write docs for them |
| 19:24.57 | JyZyXEL | however i can clearly see the source directory in each of those directories |
| 19:25.02 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: utterly |
| 19:25.05 | wols_ | deb-src |
| 19:25.09 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:25.14 | fluffy_k1tty | jelly-home: there's a mixture of 3s and 4s |
| 19:25.15 | JyZyXEL | im adding source repos |
| 19:25.31 | StealthCP | I'm creating a debian package that is intended to depend on wine of version higher than or equal to 1.0rc2 or equal to or lower than 0.9.55. How would I set this in the control file? |
| 19:25.34 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: just copy the binary repo lines and replace "deb" with "deb-src" |
| 19:25.37 | JyZyXEL | i have both deb and deb-src |
| 19:25.52 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: for the LAST time: read man sources.list. it even has examples |
| 19:25.52 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: don't touch anything else in the line |
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| 19:26.55 | fluffy_k1tty | streuner: Here's the source tarball. There is nothing in the INSTALL about what dev package I need. |
| 19:26.59 | fluffy_k1tty | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/lotrmap/lotrmap-0.91.tar.gz |
| 19:27.06 | ninjaslim | if i migrate to sid i need to uncomment the security source in /etc/apt/sources.list right? |
| 19:27.14 | JyZyXEL | so thats whats the deb-src is for |
| 19:27.20 | wols_ | !tell ninjaslim about security |
| 19:27.41 | wols_ | fluffy_k1tty: I asked you to run a command. what did it say? |
| 19:27.42 | fluffy_k1tty | wols_: I installed libqt4-dev but still no luck |
| 19:27.48 | jelly-home | fluffy_k1tty: you'll need either a libqt3-...dev or libqt4...-dev, depending on what your app needs. A lot of Qt app sources also need some other utilities to build, but start with, say, libqt3-mt-dev |
| 19:27.53 | wols_ | fluffy_k1tty: check the confiture log |
| 19:28.03 | jelly-home | fluffy_k1tty: did the error message change after you'd installed it? |
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| 19:28.13 | fluffy_k1tty | jelly-home: no |
| 19:28.13 | ninjaslim | wols_ i mean comment, sorry |
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| 19:28.32 | wols_ | ninjaslim: I on't care. read the factoid |
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| 19:28.53 | JyZyXEL | well i installed the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source_96.43.05-1_i386.deb |
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| 19:29.38 | ninjaslim | !tell |
| 19:29.39 | JyZyXEL | what does this gain? |
| 19:29.47 | JyZyXEL | is it a kernel module? |
| 19:29.58 | hoxu | !tell ninjaslim about msg the bot |
| 19:30.06 | ninjaslim | i just checked ok |
| 19:30.28 | JyZyXEL | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 19:30.37 | JyZyXEL | no nvidia module in the kernel |
| 19:31.37 | XTZGZoReX | When I try to access my fat32 Windows partition on an ext3 debian installation, I get an error that mentions something about being unable to use pmount, and that the device is not removeable. |
| 19:31.56 | XTZGZoReX | I cant get the exact error message and paste it here though.. |
| 19:31.58 | XTZGZoReX | Anyone have any idea? |
| 19:32.07 | XTZGZoReX | (I use GNOME to access the partition) |
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| 19:32.41 | lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, use mount |
| 19:32.45 | zd32nv | "XTZGZoReX >> I cant get the exact error message and paste it here though.." why? |
| 19:32.49 | lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, pmount is for removable media :) |
| 19:33.05 | XTZGZoReX | lagbolt: how do I instruct GNOME to use mount, then? |
| 19:33.30 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, it might be adviseable to define a permament mount point for your Windows partition in /etc/fstab if you use it often |
| 19:33.34 | lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, you could add them to you fstab :) |
| 19:33.35 | XTZGZoReX | zd32nv: well, of course, I could boot into linux, paste the message on some nopaste site, boot into windows, go on irc, paste the link..... |
| 19:33.46 | XTZGZoReX | fstab? |
| 19:33.52 | XTZGZoReX | =o |
| 19:34.03 | StealthCP | :/ |
| 19:34.08 | lagbolt | XTZGZoReX, yeah, you can add the partition there |
| 19:34.21 | StealthCP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab |
| 19:34.47 | StealthCP | for once, there is a really good example on Wikipedia for this |
| 19:34.58 | JyZyXEL | yay it compiled ;) |
| 19:35.06 | XTZGZoReX | well |
| 19:35.13 | XTZGZoReX | would fstab instruct GNOME how to use the partition? |
| 19:35.33 | hoxu | !turday |
| 19:35.33 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. There is no way out. |
| 19:35.54 | Bushmills | xyzzy is the way out |
| 19:35.54 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, no, fstab will mount the partitions listed in it's own file at startup. |
| 19:36.21 | StealthCP | GNOME does not need to know how to use the partition, if it is mounted as part of the file system tree |
| 19:36.23 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: so GNOME will still try to open it as a portable device? =X |
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| 19:36.29 | XTZGZoReX | oh |
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| 19:36.38 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, did you read the linked article? |
| 19:36.47 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: am now |
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| 19:37.16 | StealthCP | well, it should appear (I'm guessing you're using Nautilus) under whatever point you mount it at, and/or you should see it in te sidebar as a selectable device |
| 19:37.18 | XTZGZoReX | mount -a <- would that do? |
| 19:37.35 | StealthCP | what version of Debian are you using? I would have thought it could manage automounts by itself for you |
| 19:37.44 | MipsIr1 | how can I determine the actual URL of a package.. i have what needs to be added to sources.list.. i am using another distribution but want to download a debian package for source code |
| 19:37.48 | StealthCP | mount -a will only mount what is NOT mounted in /etc/fstab |
| 19:37.58 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: etch.. donnu the exact version though =X .. |
| 19:38.00 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows a text tool to see current uploads Kb on eth0 ? |
| 19:38.03 | StealthCP | basically, it runs through /etc/fstab and makes sure everything in that is mounted |
| 19:38.14 | Bushmills | StealthCP: smb and nfs, yes. other need configuration |
| 19:38.15 | StealthCP | you could add your windows partition to fstab, THEN use mount -a |
| 19:38.16 | toad_ | hmmm |
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| 19:38.30 | piuiabacaxi | ecl |
| 19:38.33 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: so, nano /etc/fstab and add the stuffs in that file? |
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| 19:38.56 | StealthCP | well, don't add what you see on Wikipedia, lol no :P |
| 19:39.02 | toad_ | my maildir is set up so that bincimap can read it. bincimap seems to have problems with kmail so i purged it and installed courier-imap. now, i get some sort of conflict because bincimap and courier handle maildir subdirs differently... |
| 19:39.03 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
| 19:39.17 | XTZGZoReX | well, what then,.. I don't quite understand it.. never really understood how partitions work haha |
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| 19:39.25 | toad_ | so i just need to move each subdir into INBOX? |
| 19:39.28 | StealthCP | that's an example, find out what device number your windows partition is, and just add that line, that's the only one you need to worry aout |
| 19:39.30 | XTZGZoReX | /dev/hda1 /mnt/WinXP ntfs-3g quiet,defaults,locale=en_US.utf8,umask=0 0 0 <- would've though that'd worked :) |
| 19:39.43 | XTZGZoReX | mm |
| 19:39.44 | StealthCP | yes if /dev/hda1 is your Windows partition. |
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| 19:39.54 | XTZGZoReX | How do I know if thats my windows partition |
| 19:39.54 | fluffy_k1tty | wols_: The command gave a mixture of qt2,3,4. The dev packages were libqt3-mt-dev qt3-dev-tools libqt4-dev. The config.log is here "http://pastebin.com/m22a98347". However the error from configure says I need qt >= 2.2.2 so I should be fine. |
| 19:39.54 | XTZGZoReX | =O |
| 19:39.56 | XTZGZoReX | cd to it? |
| 19:40.00 | JyZyXEL | well the "nvidia" driver indeed works |
| 19:40.01 | StealthCP | and the locale is en_US, AND it's utf8. |
| 19:40.05 | lovezinhu | alguém tem o serial do debian |
| 19:40.06 | lovezinhu | ? |
| 19:40.16 | fluffy_k1tty | wols_: The command gave a mixture of qt2,3,4. The dev packages were libqt3-mt-dev qt3-dev-tools libqt4-dev. The config.log is here "http://pastebin.com/m22a98347". However the error from configure says I need qt >= 2.2.2 so I should be fine. |
| 19:40.18 | JyZyXEL | glxinfo gives me "Segmentation fault" :D |
| 19:40.53 | fluffy_k1tty | hello? |
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| 19:41.13 | fluffy_k1tty | wols_: The command gave a mixture of qt2,3,4. The dev packages were libqt3-mt-dev qt3-dev-tools libqt4-dev. The config.log is here "http://pastebin.com/m22a98347". However the error from configure says I need qt >= 2.2.2 so I should be fine. |
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| 19:41.22 | plota | right on jyzyxel |
| 19:41.24 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: are all devices under /dev? |
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| 19:41.38 | lovezinhu | someone has the serial for debian? |
| 19:41.39 | fluffy_k1tty | wols_: The command gave a mixture of qt2,3,4. The dev packages were libqt3-mt-dev qt3-dev-tools libqt4-dev. The config.log is here "http://pastebin.com/m22a98347". However the error from configure says I need qt >= 2.2.2 so I should be fine. |
| 19:41.43 | JyZyXEL | guess the driver is broken |
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| 19:41.48 | plota | missing the glx package or a driver problem? |
| 19:42.00 | plota | yeah could be, i never got a segfault, but it doesn't print my info |
| 19:42.04 | JyZyXEL | do i need to backport that aswell? |
| 19:42.33 | JyZyXEL | i'm using the nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx |
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| 19:42.45 | JyZyXEL | im not even sure if my card belongs to the 96xx |
| 19:42.52 | JyZyXEL | "some" listing said it does |
| 19:43.27 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: driver serial number and video controller model are not related |
| 19:43.32 | JyZyXEL | the binary packet for this is said to be nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 19:43.37 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, yes. |
| 19:43.39 | Bushmills | version number, i mean |
| 19:43.43 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about repeat |
| 19:43.44 | JyZyXEL | so it should be the corret one |
| 19:43.45 | StealthCP | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.02 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: what did you do with the source package? |
| 19:44.14 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: I see. well, about the wikipedia page with the example ntfs partition: do I just need to change the location in which my winxp partition is in? |
| 19:44.15 | JyZyXEL | wols_ i backported it and installed it |
| 19:44.22 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: errors? |
| 19:44.26 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 19:44.36 | JyZyXEL | i compiled the sources |
| 19:44.40 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: so they are both installed? |
| 19:44.46 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, you may set any mount point, I would advise anywhere under /mnt, try simply /mnt/windows |
| 19:44.50 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 19:45.00 | StealthCP | don't forget you must make the /mnt/windows directory before mounting it |
| 19:45.02 | XTZGZoReX | well StealthCP: I meant the /dev/hda1 part :) |
| 19:45.09 | wols_ | !tell XTZGZoReX about ntfsrw |
| 19:45.20 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: the legacy is for GeForce4, maybe for pre 6. more recent than those don't need legaxy |
| 19:45.21 | Bushmills | cy |
| 19:45.28 | JyZyXEL | wols_ http://pastebin.com/m12be2188 |
| 19:45.29 | danners | hi is there a metapackage which I can install for codec support (mp3,mov, etc...)? |
| 19:45.30 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, only if your XP partition isn't hda1. |
| 19:45.37 | StealthCP | It could be sda1 :o |
| 19:45.39 | StealthCP | or whateer. |
| 19:45.44 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: yeah, figured =D |
| 19:46.01 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: well, what about those "quiet" and "defaults" stufffs |
| 19:46.08 | StealthCP | well.. |
| 19:46.08 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: there is no glx installed |
| 19:46.12 | StealthCP | it's a lot of settings |
| 19:46.15 | StealthCP | I'd recommend.. |
| 19:46.21 | JyZyXEL | wols_ well how do i get that |
| 19:46.31 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you just built it |
| 19:46.31 | JyZyXEL | i thought that was the GLX |
| 19:46.36 | JyZyXEL | well yea |
| 19:46.41 | JyZyXEL | and i installed it |
| 19:46.50 | JyZyXEL | i have the nvidia module loaded |
| 19:46.50 | wols_ | glx _says_ glx in the package name |
| 19:46.51 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0 |
| 19:46.53 | wols_ | and no you did not |
| 19:46.58 | wols_ | the module is not a glx |
| 19:47.03 | StealthCP | that's my line from a deian system. |
| 19:47.04 | JyZyXEL | uhhuh |
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| 19:47.11 | StealthCP | the example on wikipedia is for red hat. |
| 19:47.11 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: 9600 is not a really old controller,i think - you wouldn't want to use legacy on that one |
| 19:47.11 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: thanks a bunch |
| 19:47.25 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: gonna boot into linux and try - thanks! :) |
| 19:47.28 | JyZyXEL | so i need glx |
| 19:47.32 | wols_ | Bushmills: he said he has a 4600 |
| 19:47.33 | JyZyXEL | is there one for lenny? |
| 19:47.37 | StealthCP | yw :) |
| 19:47.39 | StealthCP | just check what your windows partition really is |
| 19:47.42 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: you just fscking built it! |
| 19:47.42 | JyZyXEL | or do i need to bacjport that as well |
| 19:47.55 | JyZyXEL | wols_ didn't i just build the kernel module and install it |
| 19:48.05 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: no. look harder |
| 19:48.14 | XTZGZoReX | 21:47
StealthCP: just check what your windows partition really is -- will do |
| 19:48.19 | lovezinhu | Good afternoon, I am a friend of ecl and garotosopa, live in Brazil and I am looking for the serial of debian to install here at home someone can pass me a serial number of valid |
| 19:48.21 | JyZyXEL | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 19:48.23 | JyZyXEL | i installed that |
| 19:48.29 | wols_ | StealthCP: yours isn't writable |
| 19:48.39 | wols_ | kernel != glx, is it? |
| 19:48.39 | JyZyXEL | i don't know what that is, im not a nvidia gfx developer |
| 19:49.01 | StealthCP | wols_, does it need to be? |
| 19:49.03 | wols_ | where is the deb that you installed on your disk? in that location look for the glx |
| 19:49.16 | StealthCP | And I actually haven't checked if it's writeable or not, thanks for the tip :P |
| 19:49.17 | wols_ | StealthCP: most people want it |
| 19:49.27 | Bushmills | ah. misread. concluded from reading "not even sure if my card belongs to the 96xx" |
| 19:49.31 | StealthCP | just not needed to write to it, well what do I add then? |
| 19:49.37 | wols_ | well it is writable. about once. then you have a broken ntfs partition |
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| 19:49.54 | wols_ | !tell StealthCP about ntfs-3g |
| 19:50.07 | benjamindees | lovezinhu, software piracy is not allowed here ;) |
| 19:50.11 | XTZGZoReX | wait what |
| 19:50.17 | lovezinhu | where I get a disk of bot install debian? |
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| 19:50.33 | XTZGZoReX | will the partition break if its writable inside linux? =X |
| 19:50.44 | StealthCP | no |
| 19:50.44 | wols_ | lovezinhu: troll elsewhere. debian has no "serials" |
| 19:50.53 | benjamindees | !tell lovezinhu about install |
| 19:50.54 | XTZGZoReX | 21:49
wols_: well it is writable. about once. then you have a broken ntfs partition |
| 19:50.55 | StealthCP | but you can delete stuff you normally wouldn't |
| 19:50.56 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: only if you use ntfs-3g |
| 19:51.12 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: how can I determine what I use? |
| 19:51.20 | JyZyXEL | i can't find any GLX in the package |
| 19:51.20 | wols_ | "mount" |
| 19:51.23 | StealthCP | replace ntfs with ntfs-3g |
| 19:51.25 | lovezinhu | is that I bought a CD in the store at 400 dollars and i think he is pirated |
| 19:51.31 | wols_ | normal ntfs driver cannot write by default anyways |
| 19:51.32 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: oh, it's freely selectable? |
| 19:51.50 | wols_ | lovezinhu: debian isn't sold for 400USD |
| 19:51.53 | StealthCP | Ask wols_ but yes, ntfs and ntfs-3g are different ntfs drivers I believe |
| 19:52.00 | wols_ | lovezinhu: either stop or I call ops since you are trlling |
| 19:52.03 | wols_ | *trolling |
| 19:52.07 | XTZGZoReX | so StealthCP, /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults 0 0 ? that will be writable too? |
| 19:52.18 | wols_ | ntfs is s kernel space drivre, ntfs-3g a userspace FUSE driver |
| 19:52.24 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: no |
| 19:52.40 | JyZyXEL | wols_ the package only has kernel module |
| 19:52.47 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: NS |
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| 19:52.49 | Bushmills | lovezinhu: i can sell you one for 200 |
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| 19:52.51 | JyZyXEL | NS? |
| 19:52.56 | wols_ | yes BS |
| 19:52.57 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: what should the line then look like? |
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| 19:53.06 | benjamindees | wols_, pfft, not by you at least... |
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| 19:53.09 | black_13 | is it acceptible to ask questions about virtualbox here? |
| 19:53.10 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: I made dpkg tell you a factoid. read it |
| 19:53.10 | lovezinhu | thanks for your help was very useful |
| 19:53.17 | Joint | hey can someone tell me the name of the program.. where you search for radio stations. to listen? gstreamer? or something? |
| 19:53.20 | wols_ | black_13: is vbox in debian? |
| 19:53.35 | grand_grunt | lovezinhu: Debian is free, as in free speech AND free beer |
| 19:53.35 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: the ntfs-3g stuff? |
| 19:53.36 | Bushmills | Joint: streamripper |
| 19:53.42 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: yes |
| 19:53.43 | Joint | nope is not that program Bushmills |
| 19:53.45 | black_13 | must be i did apt-get install virtualbox |
| 19:53.55 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: i fail to see how that helps me add the correct line to fstab |
| 19:53.58 | Bushmills | sorry. streamtuner i mean |
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| 19:54.02 | wols_ | grand_grunt: lots of shops sell debian cds for money |
| 19:54.10 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: by reading it |
| 19:54.10 | grand_grunt | wols_: yes |
| 19:54.11 | Joint | Bushmills, yeah that one |
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| 19:54.18 | grand_grunt | wols_: Not for 400$ |
| 19:54.34 | JyZyXEL | someone did a fine job hiding the fucking GLX driver then |
| 19:54.57 | JyZyXEL | even the manual suggests nothing about a glx module |
| 19:54.58 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: what did you EXACTLY do when compiling the source package? |
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| 19:55.04 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: didnt you say ntfs-3g could harm the partition..? |
| 19:55.11 | wols_ | XTZGZoReX: no I did not |
| 19:55.15 | black_13 | wols_, my question why virtualbox uses 10.0.x.x as its address i am not able to compunicat with machines on the intranet or even with the host machine |
| 19:55.25 | plota | lol |
| 19:55.30 | wols_ | black_13: cause it uses NAT by default. hence 10.0.0.0 |
| 19:55.40 | JyZyXEL | wols_ i gave the "rules" program commandline argument "binary modules" |
| 19:55.47 | XTZGZoReX | 21:50
XTZGZoReX: will the partition break if its writable inside linux? =X 21:50
wols_: XTZGZoReX: only if you use ntfs-3g |
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| 19:55.48 | JyZyXEL | it made a .deb package |
| 19:55.50 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: run dpkg-build package |
| 19:55.53 | Fisiu | hi |
| 19:55.56 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:56.01 | black_13 | wols_, sorry there are gaps in what i understand about networking |
| 19:56.01 | Bushmills | black_13: that's an rfc1918 address. one from a range which can be freely assigned |
| 19:56.22 | black_13 | Bushmills, its a private address correct |
| 19:56.23 | wols_ | black_13: you can look at bridged networking in the vbox manual |
| 19:56.24 | Fisiu | where can I find packages for abiword & abiword plugins 2.6.* for debian lenny? |
| 19:56.28 | Bushmills | black_13: non-rfc may not if machine can leak address to the net - risk of address conflict |
| 19:56.38 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 19:56.46 | benjamindees | grand_grunt, debian for $440 :p http://www.gibraltar.at/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,23/Itemid,8/lang,en/ |
| 19:56.52 | black_13 | wols_, i will do that |
| 19:56.55 | Bushmills | black_13: to talk to internet, your gateway would NAT it. |
| 19:57.07 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: you here? |
| 19:57.11 | grand_grunt | benjamindees: I cann't believe it |
| 19:57.12 | JyZyXEL | dpkg-buildpackage where? |
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| 19:57.31 | wols_ | benjamindees: NOT debian |
| 19:57.46 | JyZyXEL | i did excactly what the manual said |
| 19:57.49 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: in the root dir of your source |
| 19:57.51 | benjamindees | wols_, it's mostly debian :p |
| 19:58.00 | JyZyXEL | wols_ the command fials |
| 19:58.01 | JyZyXEL | fails |
| 19:58.01 | fluffy_k1tty | Fisiu: apt-get install abiword abiword-plugins ?? |
| 19:58.04 | wols_ | benjamindees: and ubuntu is mostly debian too. it is NOT debian |
| 19:58.07 | grand_grunt | benjamindees: If it's real, I stop NOW studying, and I burn Debians for $440 |
| 19:58.08 | danners | which package do i need to play mp3's with mplayer ? |
| 19:58.08 | JyZyXEL | and its not what the manual says |
| 19:58.09 | black_13 | Bushmills, sorry i dont understand that last statement |
| 19:58.15 | wols_ | !tell JyZyXEL about doesn't work |
| 19:58.19 | Fisiu | fluffy_k1tty: only abiword 2.4.* |
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| 19:58.34 | JyZyXEL | dpkg-source: failure: cannot read nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx/debian/control: No such file or directory |
| 19:58.42 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: pwd |
| 19:58.53 | JyZyXEL | in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 19:58.58 | StealthCP | XTZGZoReX, back now |
| 19:59.00 | Enverex | Erm, when I plug my Canon EOS 450D in it shows up as a detected camera by the kernel (in dmesg) but doesn't seem to show as a drive, any ideas? |
| 19:59.00 | Bushmills | black_13: if your 10.x.x.x machine wants to talk to internet, its requests would be translated by the gateway to internet. |
| 19:59.04 | plota | cd .. maybe |
| 19:59.06 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: maybe go one dir up and try again |
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| 19:59.15 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: tho it _should_ work |
| 19:59.16 | XTZGZoReX | StealthCP: okay, figured a line for fstab to safely write to ntfs partitions? |
| 19:59.22 | XTZGZoReX | I fail to do so. |
| 19:59.26 | wols_ | unless you have permission problems of some sort |
| 19:59.42 | wols_ | !tell XTZGZoReX about ntfs-3g |
| 19:59.45 | JyZyXEL | wols_ the damn thing is a kernel module |
| 19:59.50 | JyZyXEL | i compiled it succesfully |
| 19:59.55 | wols_ | no it is NOT |
| 19:59.57 | JyZyXEL | installed it and modprobbed it |
| 20:00.09 | wols_ | the kernel module is a few hundred KB and the source pacakge is 13MB or so |
| 20:00.13 | black_13 | Bushmills, ok its funny but the vbox guest has no problem speaking to the internet fine (google) but trying too speak to a 192.168.x.x is a no go |
| 20:00.16 | JyZyXEL | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.24-1-686_96.43.05-1_i386.deb |
| 20:00.20 | fluffy_k1tty | Fisiu: apt-get install abiword=2.4.6-5+b2 ?? |
| 20:00.21 | JyZyXEL | thats what it made |
| 20:00.23 | wols_ | would be awfully bloaty if it were only a small kernel module |
| 20:00.26 | XTZGZoReX | wols_: I don't really get what side you're on: 21:50
XTZGZoReX: will the partition break if its writable inside linux? =X 21:50
wols_: XTZGZoReX: only if you use ntfs-3g |
| 20:00.31 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 20:00.34 | JyZyXEL | i installed that |
| 20:00.50 | Bushmills | black_13: the vbox host probably translates vserver addresses too |
| 20:00.51 | Fisiu | fluffy_k1tty: to old, 2.4.6* is not 2.6.3 |
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| 20:01.09 | cluck | hi |
| 20:01.46 | JyZyXEL | wols_ dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:01.52 | JyZyXEL | lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
| 20:01.58 | Bushmills | black_13: can't tell you about your 192.168 problem - i don't know your setup |
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| 20:02.01 | JyZyXEL | isn't that a kernel module |
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| 20:02.04 | fluffy_k1tty | Fisiu: 2.6.3 is not in lenny |
| 20:02.07 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: http://www.gibraltar.at/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,23/Itemid,8/lang,en/ |
| 20:02.23 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: look what the source package of this glx package is.... |
| 20:02.44 | wols_ | dpkg -L shows you the binary which is totally irrelevant for the matter at hand |
| 20:02.45 | dpkg | ii shows you the binary which is totally irrelevant for the matter at hand 3.1-4.2 wols_'s private porn collection |
| 20:02.45 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean |
| 20:02.58 | fluffy_k1tty | Fisiu: sorry, ignore me. I'm useless |
| 20:02.59 | black_13 | Bushmills i have windows xp box that is running vbox with a debian guest os all sitting behind microsofts ISA proxy server |
| 20:03.00 | Bushmills | black_13: just that, if the guest use 10.x.x.x,. that alone is no reason why they shouldn't be able to talk to the rest of the net |
| 20:03.06 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: a single source package can build many different binaries. as is done here |
| 20:03.15 | JyZyXEL | well yea |
| 20:03.16 | Fisiu | fluffy_k1tty: anyway, ths for interesting |
| 20:03.26 | wols_ | and simply running debian rules without anything will build it. or dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:03.28 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't it have the whole shabang |
| 20:03.32 | wols_ | as root or at least fakeroot |
| 20:03.33 | Bushmills | black_13: i reckon it is a problem in the route somewhere |
| 20:03.38 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: it does |
| 20:03.44 | JyZyXEL | modules glx |
| 20:03.55 | JyZyXEL | all that shit needed to display 3d |
| 20:04.17 | cluck | i need to confirm something, if i have repos for two different versions (say unstable and experimental) apt(itude) will default to the latest version (in this case experimental) unless i set the default version in /etc/apt/apt.conf as "unstable" right? |
| 20:04.17 | JyZyXEL | now i installed it and all the glx apps give me segmentation fault |
| 20:04.17 | wols_ | yes, pebkac is a bitch |
| 20:04.17 | JyZyXEL | this means the package is broken |
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| 20:05.44 | wols_ | cluck: has usually a lower priority by defualt iirc |
| 20:05.59 | cluck | i need to confirm something, if i have repos for two different releases (say unstable and experimental) apt(itude) will default to the latest release (in this case experimental) unless i set the default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf as "unstable" right? |
| 20:05.59 | masterfreek64 | I got debian sid (actually sidux, but I removed a lot of propietary stuff so it is like sid) and it won't install kde4 from experimental -- i get the libksane libksane0 problem |
| 20:06.02 | benjamindees | Enverex, modprobe usb_storage |
| 20:06.06 | wols_ | !tell cluck about repeat |
| 20:06.17 | wols_ | !tell masterfreek64 about sidux |
| 20:06.18 | cluck | wols_: oh, really? |
| 20:06.23 | wols_ | masterfreek64: not debian. ask in a #sidux channel |
| 20:06.39 | benjamindees | Enverex, modprobe usb-storage rather |
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| 20:06.54 | cluck | wols_: i wasn't repeating, i sayd version instead of release, might make some confusion |
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| 20:06.57 | cluck | :) |
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| 20:07.23 | Bushmills | cluck: s/release/version/ |
| 20:07.27 | wols_ | cluck: have fun splitting your useless hairs with someone else. good bye |
| 20:07.33 | Enverex | benjamindees, Doesn't seem to make any difference |
| 20:07.38 | masterfreek64 | Well I have an a bit easier, question , nothing sidux specific: How can I ignore a specific dependency OR can anyone please fix the .deb ? |
| 20:07.57 | wols_ | masterfreek64: we don't give a damn. you run sidux, you are in the wrong channel. now go to oftx |
| 20:08.00 | wols_ | oftc |
| 20:08.07 | cluck | wols_: ? |
| 20:08.18 | masterfreek64 | why is everyone on IRC so rude |
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| 20:08.28 | masterfreek64 | on sidux they are : WE DO NOT SUPPORT KDE4 |
| 20:08.30 | wols_ | the rude one is you by bother other people |
| 20:08.48 | wols_ | we do not support sidux. we are happy to support debian and debian only |
| 20:08.59 | masterfreek64 | on Debian they are : YOU RUN SIDUX; EVEN IF IT IS 100% DEBIAN CODE YOU USE |
| 20:09.28 | streuner | wols_: quit discussing things, i told you that |
| 20:09.41 | streuner | masterfree64: please join the channel for your distro |
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| 20:11.40 | useless_k1tty | why does irssi keep hanging on me? |
| 20:12.27 | Enverex | benjamindees, Ah, I'm missing gphoto, that's probably it |
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| 20:18.44 | boodie | Hi: does anybody know if there's a working OCR program under linux (gocr doesn't)? |
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| 20:20.30 | grand_grunt | boodie: ocrad ? |
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| 20:21.44 | ninjaslim | what packages provides glxgears |
| 20:21.50 | markybob | mesa-utils |
| 20:21.52 | grand_grunt | ninjaslim: mesa-utils |
| 20:21.59 | boodie | hmm - tried it? |
| 20:22.18 | XTZGZoReX | Would it be possible to install firefox 3rc1 on Debian via apt? |
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| 20:23.14 | grand_grunt | boodie: Me? no. |
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| 20:28.18 | Enverex | Erm, does anyone know how I could import images from a Canon EOS 450D on Linux? |
| 20:28.30 | Enverex | It doesn't seem to show up as a drive which is odd |
| 20:28.32 | petemc | gphoto2, perhaps |
| 20:28.44 | petemc | not all cameras do usb storage |
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| 20:29.10 | Enverex | gphoto2 looks like a nightmare, command line only... |
| 20:29.16 | petemc | there are front ends for it] |
| 20:30.17 | grand_grunt | Enverex: try gtkam or kamera? |
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| 20:36.52 | sandman | Have there ever been any reports of Xorg utilizing 100% CPU all that often? |
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| 20:41.05 | Pulpie | how come there is debian-overflow does that mean the real #debian has people in it too? |
| 20:41.53 | XTZGZoReX | you are in the real debian |
| 20:41.59 | XTZGZoReX | anyway |
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| 20:42.10 | XTZGZoReX | does apt-get have firefox3? |
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| 20:43.58 | jelly-home | !info iceweasel experimental |
| 20:44.05 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~b5-4 (experimental), Packaged size: 1056 kB, Installed size: 3764 kB |
| 20:44.41 | Trewas | lightweight, heh |
| 20:44.50 | XTZGZoReX | so eh |
| 20:44.55 | XTZGZoReX | iceweasel-experimental? |
| 20:47.14 | Trewas | XTZGZoReX: it's easy to install upstream .tar.gz, just extract it to some directory and execute firefox from there |
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| 20:48.34 | XTZGZoReX | I know |
| 20:48.38 | XTZGZoReX | But I prefer APT |
| 20:48.38 | XTZGZoReX | =X |
| 20:50.11 | Enverex | Is ext4 still unstable? That thing has been beta for... forever :/ |
| 20:50.30 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 20:50.47 | HardDisk_WP | one has mkfs'ed ext2 over an existing ext2 partition |
| 20:50.53 | HardDisk_WP | can he recover the data? |
| 20:51.10 | Enverex | HardDisk_WP, Same partition? |
| 20:51.21 | HardDisk_WP | Enverex, yes and that is the problem |
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| 20:51.41 | HardDisk_WP | Enverex, there he is... |
| 20:51.44 | Enverex | HardDisk_WP, I meant has it been repartitioned since the original data was on it |
| 20:52.10 | thei0s | Enverex: actually it is my problem... I only reformatted it, the partition table is the same |
| 20:52.29 | HardDisk_WP | mh |
| 20:52.46 | HardDisk_WP | maybe you're in the luck that one of your superblock copies is still existant |
| 20:53.04 | thei0s | yes, I hope for that... |
| 20:54.14 | HardDisk_WP | Enverex, any idea if he can be helped? |
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| 20:54.43 | thei0s | fyi: testdisk did not find the "lost" partition |
| 20:55.17 | HardDisk_WP | 'course, as it contains a valid FS |
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| 20:57.31 | useless_k1tty | How can I generate random ascii text in Debian? |
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| 21:00.21 | jelly-home | useless_k1tty: what for? |
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| 21:01.39 | useless_k1tty | jelly-home: Just for testing pagers and such. A lorem ipsum style generator would be ideal, but there isn't a debian package for some reason. |
| 21:02.03 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 21:02.10 | useless_k1tty | jelly-home: you think I could filter /dev/urandom for ascii characters? |
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| 21:02.42 | Eulex | useless_k1tty, you could _perhaps_ abuse pwgen |
| 21:03.16 | jelly-home | useless_k1tty: yeah, but if you just want something text-like, why not use, say, /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL |
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| 21:04.48 | jelly-home | useless_k1tty: or use some text source and pipe it to dadadodo |
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| 21:05.53 | diabel- | Hi I've got a problem with installflashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:06.04 | diabel- | http://rafb.net/p/n6nwIk71.html |
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| 21:07.00 | diabel- | Can SOmeone help me? |
| 21:07.14 | streuner | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:07.19 | streuner | !info flashplugin-nonfree testing |
| 21:07.19 | mbroeker | diabel-, try flashplayer-mozilla for iceweasel |
| 21:07.34 | rixsdfsd | Hello. Are the keys created by gnupg impacted by the bug of security dsa1571 ? |
| 21:07.36 | diabel- | ;o, good idea :) |
| 21:07.39 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:1.4 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 21:08.02 | streuner | diabel-: package isn't in lenny/testing atm |
| 21:08.19 | diabel- | :( |
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| 21:08.38 | streuner | diabel-: its non-free, so just use there tar ball |
| 21:08.38 | claint | rixsdfsd : gnupg is not affected |
| 21:08.38 | diabel- | so I must downgrade to etch? |
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| 21:08.44 | streuner | diabel-: no |
| 21:08.46 | diabel- | streuner: ok |
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| 21:08.55 | rixsdfsd | thank you claint |
| 21:08.56 | streuner | diabel-: just get the tarball of adobe |
| 21:08.56 | diabel- | I try to user this tar ball |
| 21:08.57 | diabel- | ;] |
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| 21:09.18 | JyZyXEL | how did you get the command how to install nvidia.com drivers? |
| 21:09.19 | ZhangZiyi | hello |
| 21:09.23 | JyZyXEL | its in dpkg the bot |
| 21:09.32 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia trick |
| 21:09.38 | claint | rixsdfsd : but if you have personal keys in your .ssh, they may be affected. |
| 21:09.42 | streuner | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:09.54 | csc` | are package building questions legit here? |
| 21:09.59 | JyZyXEL | streuner no its not that |
| 21:10.00 | claint | rixsdfsd : but they are not gnupg related anyways |
| 21:10.02 | JyZyXEL | its the command |
| 21:10.03 | JyZyXEL | oneliner |
| 21:10.04 | diabel- | streuner: Is it works with konqueror ? |
| 21:10.15 | streuner | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:10.15 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 21:10.20 | ZhangZiyi | 'dpkg -l' shows partial name of the package depending on terminal size - how to force it to show full name? |
| 21:10.40 | streuner | JyZyXEL: if you using testing/lenny its more different |
| 21:10.57 | rixsdfsd | claint: in .ssh, I only have the file known_hosts |
| 21:11.11 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 21:11.14 | claint | rixsdfsd : nevermind than. |
| 21:11.22 | JyZyXEL | nvidia.com |
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| 21:11.32 | wndr | hi guys |
| 21:11.32 | streuner | ZhangZiyi: COLUMS=200? |
| 21:11.36 | JyZyXEL | there is a online in the bot |
| 21:11.41 | useless_k1tty | jelly-home: dadadodo ??? I can only assume that's a variable. |
| 21:11.47 | JyZyXEL | for the nvidia.com installer |
| 21:12.00 | jelly-home | !info dadadodo |
| 21:12.01 | wndr | do you know when debian will make the translation to policykit based authentication? |
| 21:12.02 | dpkg | dadadodo: (Exterminates all rational thought), section text, is optional. Version: 1.04-3 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 21:12.22 | useless_k1tty | oh |
| 21:12.29 | rixsdfsd | bye |
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| 21:13.19 | streuner | !why nivida installer sucks |
| 21:13.38 | azeth | hello, again my problem is : configure: error: "boost::asio header not found." by using: ./configure --prefix=$HOME/usr --includedir=$HOME/usr/lib |
| 21:13.42 | streuner | !listkeys sucks |
| 21:13.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sucks' by key (15 of 18): #debian sucks ;; #debian-bots sucks ;; _default nvidia-installer really sucks ;; _default sucks ;; _default tcl sucks ;; ipchains sucks ;; java sucks ;; noatun sucks ;; nvidia-installer really sucks ;; suckspert ;; tcl sucks ;; us sucks ;; why nvida-installer sucks ;; why nvidia installer sucks ;; why nvidia-installer sucks. |
| 21:13.53 | streuner | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 21:13.53 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use the installer from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break horribly, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it right the first time - ask me about <ngd>. |
| 21:13.59 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia installer |
| 21:13.59 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. |
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| 21:14.34 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia installer oneliner |
| 21:14.46 | JyZyXEL | god damn i can't remember the keyword |
| 21:14.47 | streuner | azeth: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:15.02 | streuner | azeth: and install the needed -dev packages |
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| 21:15.21 | streuner | scroll up, the bot told you already |
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| 21:16.22 | azeth | streuner: i'm on non-root |
| 21:16.49 | streuner | azeth: ask the admin then |
| 21:16.56 | azeth | streuner: I copied these files to $HOME/usr/lib |
| 21:17.17 | azeth | streuner: correct packages are installed |
| 21:17.46 | azeth | because libboost-asio is not present in etch |
| 21:18.05 | diabel- | !info java |
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| 21:20.06 | diabel- | streuner: does flashplugin-mozilla is in lenny ? |
| 21:20.17 | wndr | guys, do you know if debian will migrate to policykit in lenny? |
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| 21:20.53 | streuner | streuner> diabel-: package isn't in lenny/testing atm |
| 21:21.06 | useless_k1tty | jelly-home: thanks, it works nicely. |
| 21:21.13 | streuner | !info flashplugin-mozilla testing |
| 21:21.29 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'flashplugin-mozilla' does not exist. |
| 21:21.51 | streuner | diabel-: use packages.debian.org |
| 21:21.59 | streuner | diabel-: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:22.50 | diabel- | ok |
| 21:22.54 | jelly-home | useless_k1tty: output of dadadodo /usr/share/common-licenses/* makes almost as much sense as the original licenses :-) |
| 21:24.06 | Monica_2_ | help, ubuntu user cant get help in ubuntu channel, can someone help with a white screen problem? |
| 21:24.33 | streuner | Monica_2_: we support Debian, please respect that |
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| 21:25.03 | Monica_2_ | ubuntu is based on debian, thought i could get some assistance |
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| 21:27.59 | thei0s | Monica_2_: probably your X server is not configured correctly.. |
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| 21:30.27 | mewshi | Oyshi |
| 21:30.33 | mewshi | how do I mount NFS? O.o |
| 21:30.48 | streuner | hm |
| 21:30.58 | streuner | man exports |
| 21:32.34 | haole[1] | does anybody knows how to change the default ruby interpreter from 1.8 to 1.9 under debian? |
| 21:32.46 | haole[1] | withouh dirty tricks??? :D |
| 21:32.52 | haole[1] | without* |
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| 21:42.24 | sandman | There we go. |
| 21:43.06 | streuner | .oO (a sandman) :-) |
| 21:46.43 | sandman | Would adding "su user -c "screen irssi"" into rc.local stop the startup sequence, since it doesn't return anything? |
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| 21:49.07 | cusco_ | wouldn't you prfer to add "screen -dmS username irssi" |
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| 21:59.51 | bolt | WHISKEY! |
| 22:00.35 | bolt | TANGO! |
| 22:00.38 | bolt | FOXTROT! |
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| 22:01.03 | slxix | over. |
| 22:01.04 | bolt | this piece of shit just cut out on me and started smoking. i turn it back on 10 minutes later, and it works perfectly |
| 22:01.09 | bolt | ... |
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| 22:01.28 | slxix | sounds deranged to me. |
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| 22:02.39 | slxix | did you track down what got damaged? |
| 22:02.59 | bolt | thinking it came from the psu |
| 22:03.07 | bolt | judging by where the smoke appeared |
| 22:03.10 | bolt | but it works just fine |
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| 22:03.19 | bolt | ...i'll probably replace it anyway, though |
| 22:03.23 | bolt | seems like a good idea |
| 22:04.25 | slxix | maybe all the dirt just burned off... :) |
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| 22:06.06 | bolt | hm.. it shut down again |
| 22:06.12 | bolt | no more smoke though |
| 22:06.16 | bolt | investigates |
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| 22:14.14 | poseidon | Anyone here know the debian package for sdl? |
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| 22:18.54 | kylehjin | I had two SATA HDDs which were /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. Then I installed a third SATA drive and I expected it to be /dev/sdc but Debian (Linux?) sees it as /dev/sda for some reason |
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| 22:19.21 | kylehjin | So now GRUB tries to boot debian off of /dev/sda but fails |
| 22:19.43 | kylehjin | Because it can't find the kernel image file, etc. |
| 22:19.51 | kylehjin | drops me to a busybox shell |
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| 22:20.29 | kylehjin | I'm confused as to why a new SATA HDD in the motherboards THIRD SATA slot is recognised by Linux as /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdc like I want it to |
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| 22:21.25 | jelly-home | kylehjin: third slot apparently belongs to a sata controller that's enumerated earlier |
| 22:22.19 | jelly-home | kylehjin: you can either use uuid's to choose the boot partition, or you can label them and use labels instead |
| 22:22.34 | jelly-home | !uuid |
| 22:22.34 | dpkg | i guess uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
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| 22:22.59 | kylehjin | jelly-home: I want /dev/sda and /dev/sdb (in SATA slots 1 and 2 respectively) to stay as such. |
| 22:23.26 | kylehjin | And I want this new drive in sata slot 3 to stay /dev/sdc |
| 22:23.36 | jelly-home | kylehjin: I don't know how to do that |
| 22:23.40 | kylehjin | So maybe if I put the old sda and sdb in slots 3 and 4 they would be enumerated first as sda and sdb? |
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| 22:23.49 | kdag | anyone know of a .deb of bitchx for lenny.. i cant seem to find one |
| 22:23.53 | jelly-home | kylehjin: that would work |
| 22:23.54 | kylehjin | And then the new drive in sata slot 1 would be enumerated last? |
| 22:24.12 | jelly-home | ... probably |
| 22:26.36 | _lemma | hi! does anyone know of a way to tell the live-helper scripts not to install a certain suggested package? |
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| 22:37.18 | slxix | ahh..yummy breakfast. |
| 22:40.12 | redtime | Sun May 25 00:40:13 CEST 2008 |
| 22:40.15 | redtime | why not :) |
| 22:40.36 | cockroach | redtime: same here, having some kind of midnight snack :) |
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| 22:41.06 | slxix | 7:40am Sunday (JST) |
| 22:41.19 | cockroach | slxix: what are you doing awake at such a horrible time? |
| 22:41.33 | slxix | I've been jet lagged for a month. :) |
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| 22:41.52 | cockroach | ah, i see :) |
| 22:42.07 | JyZyXEL | i just want it to be monday already |
| 22:42.26 | slxix | ah, you're eager to celebrate the holiday? :) |
| 22:42.31 | JyZyXEL | YES |
| 22:42.43 | JyZyXEL | i have this awesome plan to go buy beer and then drink the beer |
| 22:43.28 | redtime | Pilsner Urquell beer |
| 22:43.30 | redtime | woot! |
| 22:43.49 | slxix | you going to celebrate anything/body/group in particular? |
| 22:43.52 | Guerin | best beer evar, of the beers that you can see through |
| 22:44.01 | JyZyXEL | start of summer vacation |
| 22:44.14 | JyZyXEL | 3 month summer vacation |
| 22:44.33 | slxix | oh. going to vacation in norway? ;) |
| 22:44.33 | cockroach | JyZyXEL: sounds like a quality plan :) |
| 22:44.35 | JyZyXEL | starts at monday 0930 am |
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| 22:45.53 | JyZyXEL | its gonna be like while(beer)drink() |
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| 22:47.06 | cockroach | JyZyXEL: just make sure not to throw (up?) any exceptions... |
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| 22:48.20 | DrNach | Hi, I replaced my motherboard recently, and now my DVD drives instead of being /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, are now /dev/hdi and /dev/hdj, and /dev/cdrom(0,1) symlinks are now /dev/cdrom(4,5). Any way I can fix this that it's back to a and b, and 0 and 1? |
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| 22:49.46 | cockroach | DrNach: not sure about the hdx thing but cdrom(4,5) is probably a udev thing |
| 22:50.09 | cockroach | DrNach: you might have to check for persistent rules in /etc/udev* |
| 22:50.21 | DrNach | okay... |
| 22:50.29 | DrNach | any docs I can read on how to setup those files properly? |
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| 22:50.37 | Tapout | can you safely install a lenny package on an etch package? |
| 22:50.42 | Tapout | on etch release rather |
| 22:50.53 | slxix | man udev? |
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| 22:50.59 | DrNach | Tapout: depends on the package |
| 22:51.36 | Tapout | DrNach, how do you know based off the package/ |
| 22:51.37 | cockroach | DrNach: none i'm aware of. just check for files in /etc/udev* having 'persistent' in their names and see whether there are lines which look like cdrom things (sorry, no cd drive in my laptop so i can't check right now) |
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| 22:52.32 | DrNach | Tapout: I think you'll just have to try it :P |
| 22:52.56 | cockroach | hrm, i'm compiling some random tool (kernel module) and get messages like "Section mismatch: reference to .init.text: from .smp_locks after ''" - should i be worried? :) |
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| 22:54.20 | Ryan52 | I broke /etc/hosts on a live server. Does anything depend on it working? |
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| 22:54.44 | slxix | cockroach: google it? :) |
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| 22:55.02 | Ryan52 | and this live server is the reverse proxy server that all web requests go through... |
| 22:55.14 | karma | I just mounted an ntfs partition with ntfs-3g but I can't write to it! It keeps saying permission denied, even as root! |
| 22:56.12 | slxix | Ryan52: that depends on how the administrator used /etc/hosts ... |
| 22:56.42 | Ryan52 | I just got rid of the main use of it |
| 22:57.01 | Ryan52 | normally sudo will get pissed though and it hasn't yet |
| 22:57.10 | Ryan52 | so the next question is how do I fix it |
| 22:57.15 | Ryan52 | or how do I debug it. |
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| 22:57.28 | slxix | you haven't said what's wrong with it, yet. |
| 22:57.33 | Ryan52 | I dont know |
| 22:57.44 | slxix | !pastebin |
| 22:57.44 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 22:57.47 | Ryan52 | but host localhost does not work |
| 22:58.00 | Ryan52 | and "127.0.0.1 localhost" is in there |
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| 22:58.51 | Nyle | karma, are you int he fuse group? |
| 22:58.57 | Nyle | s/the* |
| 22:59.04 | karma | Nyle: I'm trying to do it as root! |
| 22:59.09 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 22:59.11 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:59.18 | Nyle | what are your mount options, which debian version? |
| 22:59.31 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:59.31 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 22:59.33 | slxix | Ryan52: does "ip link" have a "lo" device? |
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| 22:59.57 | Ryan52 | ifconfig does |
| 23:01.08 | Ryan52 | http://pastebin.ca/1028321 |
| 23:01.17 | slackd00d | !experimental |
| 23:01.18 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 23:02.31 | Ryan52 | slxix: when I say "host apple" (the server's name), it contacts my dns server and looks for apple.my_domain.com (which does not exist). |
| 23:02.45 | helo_ | so, about that bug where a newly installed sid system changes drive numbers, and breaks grub booting... |
| 23:02.58 | Ryan52 | slxix: Its like its completely ignoreing /etc/hosts |
| 23:03.14 | Ryan52 | slxix: so what should I do? |
| 23:03.57 | slxix | Ryan52: when i do "host bargle" it ignores my /etc/hosts, too. when i ping ping it, it uses /etc/hosts. |
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| 23:04.24 | slxix | so 127.0.0.1 works, but localhost does not? |
| 23:04.45 | Ryan52 | slxix: oh...nvm... |
| 23:04.53 | slxix | (when you ping it, or whatnot?) |
| 23:05.12 | petemc | slxix: host does dns lookups |
| 23:05.18 | petemc | erm, Ryan52 ^^ |
| 23:05.29 | slxix | petemc: thank you. :) |
| 23:05.37 | Ryan52 | On my sid laptop if I do "host localhost" it says 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:05.57 | petemc | they both use the same dns ? |
| 23:06.02 | Ryan52 | no |
| 23:06.08 | petemc | there you go then |
| 23:06.18 | slxix | i think localhost is special somehow. |
| 23:06.34 | slxix | maybe the dns server knows about it. ;) |
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| 23:09.14 | slxix | Ryan52: is all well? |
| 23:09.19 | Ryan52 | yes. |
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| 23:11.38 | pablo | hi, the locales package also makes the keyboard behave different? |
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| 23:13.47 | karma | I just installed Windows onto my /dev/sdc drive and I want to add a grub entry to it... is there a way to auto-update grub to add an entry into it? |
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| 23:14.16 | Ryan52 | karma: look at the example in /boot/grub/meny.list |
| 23:14.26 | Ryan52 | karma: err, /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 23:14.41 | helo_ | what is the default maximum password length in sid? |
| 23:14.41 | Ryan52 | karma: err(sorry), /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 23:16.52 | wald0 | is there any GUI tool to give internet to a second computer ? (like what i can do with ip_forward + iptables maswquerade) |
| 23:17.06 | slxix | helo_: do you have a 'man 3 crypt' ? |
| 23:17.15 | helo_ | i cannot log in :P |
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| 23:17.41 | slxix | err.. well. ok. :) |
| 23:18.09 | mekke | Hi. I have identified a bug but do not know who to report it to. I am running debian 4.0 stable on a mipsel device (routerboard 532a), regular minimal debian and 2.6.18 kernel. This device has multiple uplinks and therefore use iproute2/tc according to lartc.org's load balancing guide. I use netfilter/masquerade to allow LAN devices access through this server |
| 23:18.14 | JyZyXEL | wald0 you just gotta learn it the CLI way ;) |
| 23:18.24 | pablo | hi, i am configuring locales, what do you recommend utf or iso? |
| 23:18.45 | wald0 | JyZyXEL: i use CLI way, i want to give a GUI to a friend |
| 23:18.57 | helo_ | hi. i am install help me. |
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| 23:19.05 | mekke | iptables allows full in and out forwarding for these purposes. Everything works fine and traffic is routed over two uplinks as expected, with some connections being established over the first and otherse over the second route. All applications, protocols and ports work fine |
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| 23:19.19 | mekke | Except for SSH, but only SSH running on a linux client built on openssl |
| 23:19.33 | mekke | Such as dropbear and openssh, but putty for linux and putty on windows LAN PCs works fine |
| 23:19.40 | slxix | helo_: 8 characters. |
| 23:19.48 | mekke | This only affects the LAN PCs and not the router itself |
| 23:19.54 | mekke | SSH hangs on successful auth |
| 23:20.05 | mekke | ssh -vvv shows it hanging on resizing the tcp window (but I may have got that wrong) |
| 23:21.03 | mekke | I have managed to fix it, but not cleanly |
| 23:21.07 | mekke | Not sure who to report it to |
| 23:21.07 | helo_ | slxix: it's higher than that... just tested an 13 char password |
| 23:21.15 | slxix | helo_: and by 8 characters, i mean, "By taking the lowest 7 bits of each of the first eight characters of the key, a 56-bit key is obtained." |
| 23:22.02 | slxix | the "key" is the password. |
| 23:22.04 | mewshi | i'm just gonna take a shot in the dark, but uh... scp wasn't designed for big file transfers, was it? |
| 23:22.45 | mekke | No |
| 23:22.50 | mekke | I dont believe so |
| 23:22.58 | slxix | helo_: you can type a 13 char password, but the last 5 wouldn't matter. |
| 23:23.10 | mekke | And contrary to most googling saying that it beats the ass of other transfer protocols |
| 23:23.16 | mekke | I think there is some speed bug |
| 23:23.24 | mekke | That a patch could possibly be available for |
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| 23:26.58 | pablo | hi, i am configuring locales, what do you recommend utf or iso? |
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| 23:27.11 | wald0 | pablo: utf |
| 23:27.26 | slxix | helo_: was that the answer you're looking for? |
| 23:27.54 | pablo | wald0: ok, does locales also modify the keyboard keymap? |
| 23:28.01 | Tramp | slxix: I'm pretty sure, sid uses md5-hashes by default and thus the relevant entry is the max= setting in /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 23:28.04 | Lagbolt | slxix, it stops at 8? |
| 23:28.04 | wald0 | pablo: no |
| 23:28.16 | Lagbolt | slxix, are you talking about login passwords? or did i miss something |
| 23:28.40 | slxix | Tramp: i was following the man pages. |
| 23:28.45 | pablo | wald0: mm, because i am using vi, and depends what i choose for local, is what it writes |
| 23:28.52 | pablo | wald0: why is this? |
| 23:28.53 | slxix | Lagbolt: yes. |
| 23:29.08 | Tramp | slxix: so you actually don't know. |
| 23:29.17 | Lagbolt | slxix, so having pass longer than 8 chars doesnt do any good? |
| 23:29.22 | wald0 | pablo: locales has languages, languages has chars that are or aren't in other languages |
| 23:29.38 | wald0 | pablo: like à |
| 23:30.01 | pablo | wald0: yes like á é à ó ú |
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| 23:30.27 | Tramp | Lagbolt: if you have md5-hashes enabled, see what I wrote above. I think md5-hashes is the default in sid, but I'm not sure, since I have no sid installation at hand. |
| 23:30.29 | helo_ | lagbolt: not true... test it yourself... make an account with an M character password, and try typing M-1 characters of it to login as that user |
| 23:31.18 | wald0 | pablo: anyways, use es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 23:31.38 | Lagbolt | Tramp, know of any good sites with info about this sort of thing? i would like to read up |
| 23:31.43 | pablo | wald0: so the keymap is the same, the problem is that some locales doesnt recognice some characters right? |
| 23:32.00 | Tramp | helo_, Lagbolt: for details read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.5 and man pam_unix |
| 23:32.04 | helo_ | i've tried 20 where the first 19 digits didn't work |
| 23:32.12 | Lagbolt | Tramp, thanks |
| 23:33.19 | slxix | if you are using md5 then it says the entire key is significant. |
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| 23:33.41 | wald0 | pablo: something like this, but use utf8, not iso |
| 23:34.42 | pablo | wald0: yes, ok thanks. do you recommend any reading for all this subkects? |
| 23:34.50 | pablo | j |
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| 23:37.45 | wald0 | pablo: not really, i personally don't know any reading link about it |
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| 23:38.43 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm having trouble with my laptop's touchpad on lenny. There are 2 things that don't work. The first is the region of it set aside for scrolling doesn't function. The second is I am unable to tap and drag to move windows, icons, etc. Would someone mind pointing me in the right direction? |
| 23:38.52 | Ryan52 | we have a firewall the DNATs stuff to our 2 proxy servers (we are using DNS round robin). In the event that one of them goes down, I want requests to both ip addresses to go to the remaining server. Is there a program that will do that or should I just script it. (and do you have any pointers for that?). Also we have all HTTP traffic DNAT-ed to out squid transparent proxy. If that goes down, I want that rule to be taken out. |
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| 23:39.03 | Ryan52 | err, reverse proxy servers |
| 23:39.03 | slxix | Lagbolt: man 3 crypt :) |
| 23:39.13 | pablo | wald0: ok thsnk you very much |
| 23:39.14 | pobega | Does anyone have any idea why I can't reformat /dev/sda1 to ReiserFS in GParted? |
| 23:39.53 | benjamindees | PiousMinion, I would if my laptop were handy; all I can do instead is assure you that the xorg options for synaptics touchpads are out there on the interweb somewhere. good luck. |
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| 23:39.58 | PiousMinion | pobega: Without any errors, versions numbers, etc there is no way anyone could know. |
| 23:40.07 | wald0 | pobega: you have reiserfs tools package installed ? |
| 23:40.09 | Lagbolt | pobega, do you have reiser progs installed? |
| 23:40.38 | PiousMinion | benjamindees: well, the fact that it would be in the xorg.conf at least helps me. :) thanks |
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| 23:41.24 | pobega | wald0 / Lagbolt / PiousMinion : I think that the reiserfsprogs package was the problem...I can't believe I missed that. |
| 23:41.54 | pobega | I have a quick question...I have a seperate /home, /usr and / partition: Can anyone recommend filesystems for each? |
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| 23:42.21 | wald0 | pobega: my experiencies with JFS made it the better choice for me :)o |
| 23:42.22 | pobega | Looking at benchmarks isn't helping me too much, although I'm kinda leaning towards ext2 for root, XFS for /usr and ext3 for /home |
| 23:42.29 | pobega | wald0: JFS for everything? |
| 23:42.38 | benjamindees | pobega, I see little reason for those to have different file systems |
| 23:42.41 | wald0 | pobega: IMHO, yes |
| 23:42.48 | grendal_prime | im running security scans on several boxes. I keep warnings about "identd reports that this service is running under root user" |
| 23:43.01 | somedude | is it possible to use the closed ati drivers with debian fairly easily |
| 23:43.02 | benjamindees | pobega, unless you made /usr read-only and ext2 |
| 23:43.57 | grendal_prime | do i have to have identd running at all? |
| 23:44.07 | slxix | grendal_prime: identd is not the problem. |
| 23:44.23 | pobega | wald0: Why do you recommend JFS? |
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| 23:44.56 | wald0 | pobega: stability & speed |
| 23:45.39 | slxix | grendal_prime: you just need to verify that those services are running as root, and change that if they shouldn't be. |
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| 23:46.23 | somedude | do you need all 3 dvds to install etch |
| 23:46.26 | grendal_prime | the recommended fix for alot of this information that can be used by attackers is to rem out the "auth" or "ident" line in the /etc/inetd.conf. |
| 23:47.01 | pobega | wald0: I have to say, looking at benchmarks JFS is pretty good. Too bad I can't reformat /home, but I'm definitely going to use JFS for everything else :) |
| 23:47.33 | Lagbolt | somedude, no, you can install from 1st dvd, or just get the cdrom installer, or you can use net install cd. |
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| 23:48.24 | grendal_prime | do i even need inetd? |
| 23:48.38 | robocop101 | !envy |
| 23:48.40 | plota | it complains if you deinstall it, best to just comment out everything in it |
| 23:48.42 | pobega | Unless there's some way to change the filesystem without having to backup the data on the partition, but I don't think that's possible, heh. |
| 23:49.00 | slxix | grendal_prime: you don't normally need it. |
| 23:49.03 | robocop101 | Is there a channel for Debians Envy? |
| 23:49.29 | grendal_prime | i didnt think so..its for like firein up ftp servers and stuff..but only when they are required right? |
| 23:50.39 | slxix | grendal_prime: i've never seen identd required anywhere. (except some IRC servers.) |
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| 23:51.28 | slxix | grendal_prime: but i think the bigger problem is that it found services probably running as root. don't ignore that, evaluate those services. :) |
| 23:52.15 | Ryan52 | How can I get the ldap patch that debian uses to make authorized_keys files exist before the user ever logs into a server? |
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| 23:54.41 | mbroeker | Ryan52, the system integration of ldap works via pam and i think that pam creates the keys file, not ldap itself. ( look for a pam module ) |
| 23:55.47 | grendal_prime | slxix: sshd? |
| 23:55.59 | grendal_prime | i mean who should i run that as? |
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| 23:56.20 | grendal_prime | i thought there were services you had to run as root |
| 23:56.38 | grendal_prime | i just installed them with aptitude. |
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| 23:57.18 | grendal_prime | i didnt know i needed to go through them and chang the user account they were run from. |
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| 23:57.54 | Ryan52 | mbroeker: I have no clue how it works, I just know that debian uses it internally and its not in the normal ldap packages. (I haven't ever worked with ldap, but Im about to and I know that I need this thing) |
| 23:58.32 | slxix | you don't need to change the user they are run from. |
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| 23:59.47 | Ryan52 | mbroeker: cause I want to be able to ssh to a server I've never ssh-ed to using only my ssh key. (Normally you have to do a password login the first time, and then it creates your authorized_keys file) |
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