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| 00:00.40 | streuner | alsd: if you using etch there are backports for or simple sid backports, if you using testing you just have to wait a short time... |
| 00:03.00 | zd32nv | short time could translate into a long time |
| 00:03.17 | zd32nv | like with nvidia, for instance |
| 00:03.31 | zd32nv | (only real reason I'm using unstable repos) |
| 00:03.34 | streuner | well, an exception, true |
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| 00:05.27 | entropy | how do I kill a process that even `kill -9` will not kill? |
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| 00:06.00 | _neoark | what are u trying to kill |
| 00:06.14 | amphi | you could try kill -11 ;) |
| 00:06.17 | streuner | and in which state is that process? |
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| 00:06.58 | entropy | i was copying some files to my external drive and it just froze |
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| 00:07.08 | Sling | -9 should not be blocked |
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| 00:07.12 | entropy | it's a `cp` that's just not doing anything |
| 00:07.50 | entropy | it's stopped copying hours ago and I'm unable to kill it |
| 00:08.23 | entropy | running `sync` now also freezes :/ |
| 00:08.44 | dendrite | entropy: Sounds like your problems are bigger than an unresponsive process. |
| 00:09.05 | dendrite | entropy: Can you look in your logs, and see if perhaps your hard disk is dying? |
| 00:09.21 | entropy | running `kill -11` is ignored as well |
| 00:10.10 | Sling | its probably waiting for some hardware interrupt |
| 00:10.25 | entropy | nope, last thing in any of the logs was the mount of the external drive, just over an hour ago |
| 00:10.34 | markybob | entropy, is it a zombie process? |
| 00:10.44 | Sling | well if -9 doesnt kill it, only way would be to reboot the machine |
| 00:10.56 | entropy | markybob: no |
| 00:11.05 | entropy | it's "apparently" still busy |
| 00:11.18 | \amethyst | entropy: is this a network FS by any chance? |
| 00:11.32 | entropy | ext3 on a USB external drive |
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| 00:11.53 | lfs | How do you burn an iso image to CD? |
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| 00:12.11 | amphi | lfs: wodim |
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| 00:12.15 | markybob | lfs, in what? gnome? kde? console? |
| 00:12.24 | lfs | I have gnome |
| 00:12.29 | adama | lfs: right-click it and choose Burn to disc |
| 00:12.33 | lfs | easiest way |
| 00:12.33 | markybob | lfs, right-click and "write to disk" |
| 00:12.41 | markybob | doesnt get much easier :P |
| 00:13.04 | lfs | Thanks looks easy |
| 00:13.21 | lfs | Willl this give bootable disk? Iso should be bootable. |
| 00:13.23 | Sling | entropy : tried SIGSTOP as well? |
| 00:13.35 | Sling | 17/19/23 |
| 00:13.39 | adama | lfs: yes |
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| 00:14.28 | entropy | Sling: SIGSTOP is ignored as well |
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| 00:14.39 | entropy | i came in here to ask because I've had this before |
| 00:14.47 | Sling | well if that would happen to me id reboot the system |
| 00:14.49 | \amethyst | it it's in state D there's no way to kill it |
| 00:14.53 | entropy | last time it happened, even when I rebooted the reboot froze |
| 00:15.19 | Sling | thats not possible unless the processtack is maintained and resumed for some reason |
| 00:15.28 | entropy | and when I was forced eventually to hard reboot the machine the file system on the whole drive was corrupt when I got back up and I had to reformat it |
| 00:15.36 | \amethyst | Sling: err, it certainly is possible |
| 00:15.38 | dendrite | Sling: Unless entropy means the shutdown hung. |
| 00:15.44 | entropy | wess, possible or not, it's happening |
| 00:15.44 | Sling | oh right |
| 00:15.52 | entropy | s/wess/well/ |
| 00:16.03 | dendrite | entropy: I smell file system or block device fail. |
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| 00:16.13 | \amethyst | it's USB |
| 00:16.21 | entropy | it's always damned usb |
| 00:16.24 | \amethyst | I'd say to avoid USB disks on this computer |
| 00:16.24 | Sling | most likely there is a bug in that usb driver |
| 00:16.31 | \amethyst | or in the hardware |
| 00:16.33 | entropy | i have so many issues with usb mass storage |
| 00:16.36 | entropy | sighs |
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| 00:16.49 | lfs | Does Debian have video yet? |
| 00:17.01 | Sling | slaps lfs |
| 00:17.04 | entropy | lfs: ? dude for years |
| 00:17.08 | entropy | wtf |
| 00:17.10 | entropy | lol |
| 00:17.11 | lfs | youtube? |
| 00:17.12 | markybob | how do you even know what he means? |
| 00:17.21 | markybob | lfs, dont be stupid |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | lfs: yes, gnash supports youtube. |
| 00:17.30 | streuner | lfs: youtube-dl :-P |
| 00:17.38 | lfs | gnash is up and running? |
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| 00:17.54 | dondelelcaro | lfs: it's been running for quite some time |
| 00:17.56 | sandman | Is there a way in Debian to make the audio input from my microphone change? |
| 00:17.59 | sandman | Like a voice-changer? |
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| 00:18.06 | Sling | sandman : sure |
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| 00:18.21 | Sling | there are such things as audio input processors |
| 00:18.40 | helo_ | is svn not in testing? |
| 00:18.45 | dondelelcaro | sandman: see esound for a rather comprehensive example. |
| 00:18.47 | markybob | helo_, it's called subversion |
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| 00:18.58 | entropy | ok, i thought it was device or driver, just wanted to be sure, thanks for the help guys, i'm gonna reboot now and see if it explodes :P |
| 00:19.01 | helo_ | hahaha, of course :P |
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| 00:19.13 | Sling | heh we'll keep the line open entropy :) |
| 00:19.59 | Sling | helo_ : and yes, its not in testing :) |
| 00:20.04 | Sling | its stable even |
| 00:20.55 | dendrite | Sling: subversion is not in lenny? |
| 00:21.02 | markybob | dendrite, it is |
| 00:21.09 | Sling | subversion itself i meant |
| 00:21.16 | dendrite | markybob: Of course it is. But Sling is telling helo_ it's not... |
| 00:22.49 | Tapout | is there a way to test reading a file ignoring the file cache? |
| 00:23.09 | Tapout | i wanted to test this file before and after filefrag/moving/copying it back and lowering the amount of extends by over 100,000 |
| 00:23.10 | helo_ | i noticed that 'systemimager' isn't in sid... is there another package that has the same functionality? |
| 00:26.02 | lfs | Is Etch the stable version now? |
| 00:26.14 | dvs | yes |
| 00:26.21 | lfs | What is testing? |
| 00:26.25 | markybob | helo_, you could try mindi |
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| 00:26.33 | markybob | lfs, lenny |
| 00:27.19 | lfs | How long has this been? |
| 00:27.40 | markybob | helo_, or mondo. it's not in debian, but their site provides debian packages. http://www.mondorescue.org/ |
| 00:28.56 | alphad | hi |
| 00:28.56 | Pavot | niihau, alphad |
| 00:29.04 | FrankTheTank | dendrite: when i install netboot debian on my ibook will i be able to partition it as if i was installing a disk image? |
| 00:29.43 | alphad | did you know how to change the name of my debian session or login? |
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| 00:29.56 | dendrite | FrankTheTank: Don't ask me, I only once installed debian on a ppc machine, and that wasn't dual boot, nor did OS X stay on the machine. |
| 00:30.29 | helo_ | it looks like mondo won't allow me to reimage via pxe boot :( |
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| 00:31.15 | markybob | helo_, ok, then how about bacula? |
| 00:31.43 | entropy | ok |
| 00:31.53 | entropy | for those who said it's not possible for the system freeze: http://crous.co.za/~clive/debian_fails_to_shutdown.jpg |
| 00:32.09 | entropy | and yes, my disk got completely corrupted, everything on it is lost |
| 00:32.13 | entropy | :/ |
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| 00:32.36 | dendrite | entropy: Those that said that were thinking you meant the freeze was in the startup phase. Of course a hang during shutdown is possible. |
| 00:32.37 | \amethyst | entropy: I would seriously not trust that computer's USB with any more data |
| 00:32.55 | \amethyst | entropy: if the problem still happens on another machine, it might be worth filing a kernel bug |
| 00:33.18 | dendrite | entropy: Is this a flash drive? |
| 00:33.37 | entropy | no it's an external hard drive, a small laptop drive in a chasis |
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| 00:34.33 | Akuw | is there any application to create swf files in linux ? |
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| 00:35.23 | entropy | Akuw, google for : flash ming |
| 00:35.25 | dendrite | !swf |
| 00:35.25 | dpkg | somebody said swf was a shockwave format file for web stuff - it's copyrighted and requires director or similar to create multimedia shockwave files .. alternatively you can create them with PHP's SWF functionality - see http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/flash/ for details on libswf |
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| 00:36.29 | entropy | anyway, thanks for the help guys, i'm off to try the drive on another PC and try figure out where the problem is |
| 00:36.33 | entropy | gnight |
| 00:38.23 | dendrite | dpkg: swf is also for another swf output library, check out ming. |
| 00:38.23 | dpkg | okay, dendrite |
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| 00:39.15 | pmo_ | hi, does any1 know of some labs doing hard disk repair;. i have met someone he cannot have access to his hard disk anymore;. on boot.. disk error.. well in fact no boot, and hard disk test from BIOS, shows nothing.. 00% result |
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| 00:41.32 | Penix | !any1 |
| 00:41.32 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 00:42.04 | Penix | pmo_: no, there are absolutely no companies that provide such a service, since obviously your extensive google search didn't return anything |
| 00:42.22 | Cromag_ | Penix: that is not correct. |
| 00:42.33 | Cromag_ | there are companies selling that service. |
| 00:42.43 | Penix | !sarcasm |
| 00:42.43 | dpkg | i guess sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
| 00:42.44 | Cromag_ | it costs you more than a years pay, but they will do it. |
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| 00:43.40 | pmo_ | Cromag_, :) well if you can point me some web site, my friend will check it by himself, i am not the one to pay ;-) :) |
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| 00:44.04 | Penix | pmo_: why? are you not able to type 'hard disk+recovery' or something similar in to a search engine? |
| 00:44.28 | pmo_ | Penix, i tried.. :( but couldnt find something definitive :( |
| 00:44.35 | pmo_ | Penix, gonna try again |
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| 00:45.09 | prahal | hi how comes resolvconf does not add the nameservers of the other interfaces (say eth1 updated via networkmanager via a local modification of NM I am testing) if bind is running (with lo.named being the interface name for bind in resolvconf) |
| 00:45.13 | pmo_ | Penix, was more about software.. nothing about hardware |
| 00:45.44 | prahal | could this policy of resolvconf be changed ? |
| 00:46.01 | Cromag_ | there are alot of diskrepair tools around. |
| 00:46.03 | dendrite | pmo_: While this is all off topic, I can tell you that this is a custom service, and you should contact a few companies and ask for advice, and expect to ship the disk to them. |
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| 00:47.08 | dendrite | Cromag_: If the disk isn't being recognized by the BIOS, it's likely beyond most common tools. |
| 00:47.20 | pmo_ | dendrite, i see, but so far i dont know exactly which company to contact, but thanks.. i remember someone talked to me about this, not long ago, also was not in this room, i'll try ask in this other place, thanks ;-) |
| 00:48.00 | Cromag_ | dendrite: jep. |
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| 00:48.42 | Cromag_ | kinda funny, found this. http://www.dposoft.net/regnow/hdd.html |
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| 00:52.14 | pmo_ | dendrite, yep :( |
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| 00:56.31 | pmo_ | Cromag, yep, still .. software.. works, because even if you erase data, you can recover that same data, since they made some real delete file program.. but that doesnt sound the kind of thing i am looking for.. i suppose lightning may have destroy the hard disk :( well so far nothing more then i found myself.. i thought about labs in fact, someone mentioned this to me, not long ago, but he is not in here, i'd have to wait tommorow |
| 00:56.31 | pmo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.01 | rootard | Hi, I'm trying to include a man page in a package I am building. The manpage is installed via dh_installman but when I try to "man command" on the target system, I get "No manual entry for ..." |
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| 01:00.34 | rootard | dpkg-query -L package shows that the manpage is in /usr/share/man/man1/ |
| 01:00.34 | Pavot | Hmm. No matches for that, rootard. |
| 01:01.17 | Cromag | http://www.datarecoverylab.co.uk/ like that ? |
| 01:01.40 | rootard | Pavot: ? |
| 01:01.40 | Pavot | rootard: wish i knew |
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| 01:04.00 | pmo_ | Cromag, sort of, but this maybe better http://services.seagate.com/laptop_data_recovery.aspx dont you think ? :) |
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| 01:07.17 | markybob | too bad they dont list a price :P |
| 01:07.46 | pmo_ | :) markybob, good i can still have hope ;-) |
| 01:07.55 | pmo_ | Cromag, thanks, nice of you |
| 01:10.04 | BubbaT | I have two different shares in my smb.conf their entries look identical except for name and path. For some reason I cannot find the second share. Any ideas? |
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| 01:21.01 | benjamindees | I get this when aptitude installs doc-base in etch: error in control file: `Index' value missing for format `info' at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 709, </usr/share/doc-base/ispell-manual> line 16. |
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| 01:24.15 | benjamindees | 'dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/doc-base_0.7.21_all.deb' seemed to work fine though and the md5sum matches |
| 01:24.27 | Heavy-D | hey guys... on a default install of apache2 on etch it's keeps redirecting to a folder called apache2-default inside my web root directory... how can I set this just to /var/www ... I can't seem to find that setting |
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| 01:25.41 | dondelelcaro | Heavy-D: by changing /etc/apache2/default appropriately |
| 01:26.11 | dondelelcaro | s#apache2#&/sites-available# |
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| 01:28.11 | mogaal | is away: brb |
| 01:28.30 | Heavy-D | dondelelcaro: Cool I think I got it, thanks very much. |
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| 01:30.27 | simonrvn | whomever recommended Heavy-D to go to #debianppc should be shot |
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| 01:30.49 | simonrvn | then they should be strung up by their toes |
| 01:31.02 | CaT[t3] | simonrvn: where's the love? |
| 01:31.18 | simonrvn | intel macs have nothing to do with ppc |
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| 01:31.28 | Supaplex | !blame idiots |
| 01:31.28 | dpkg | blames SoUkSoU and idiots for the end of the world as we know it |
| 01:31.29 | CaT[t3] | simonrvn: true, that/ |
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| 01:32.08 | simonrvn | intel macs are like peecees, just with efi boot |
| 01:32.25 | Supaplex | what do they taste like? |
| 01:32.27 | Supaplex | oh wait... nm |
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| 01:32.42 | simonrvn | turnips. i hate turnips. ;p |
| 01:32.58 | Sling | Supaplex also read peaches? :P |
| 01:33.10 | Supaplex | eh? |
| 01:33.16 | hedos | Hello. I cannot get any video with mplayer (nor vlc), just blank screen. I have sound, though. My videocard was most likely setup properly, glxgears runs fast. Any idea what's wrong? |
| 01:33.20 | Sling | or didnt you mean that with what do they taste like |
| 01:33.23 | Sling | nvm then :p |
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| 01:33.44 | Supaplex | apples, naturally. |
| 01:33.45 | dondelelcaro | hedos: does mplayer -vo x11 foo; work? |
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| 01:34.06 | hedos | yep! |
| 01:34.28 | benjamindees | so I guess the idea when using aptitude to remove stuff is you keep rejecting solutions until you get to one that doesn't remove all the good stuff you want to keep? |
| 01:34.35 | dondelelcaro | hedos: then it's most likely because whatever videocard you're using doesn't support xv properly. |
| 01:34.43 | hedos | I see. |
| 01:34.58 | hedos | Is it possible to fix this somehow "globally", so that it works for both mplayer and vlc? |
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| 01:35.06 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: or use the curses interface to provide a solution if it doesn't get the right one for you. |
| 01:35.27 | dondelelcaro | hedos: add a .mplayer or similar; vlc may have a similar configuration file. |
| 01:35.44 | hedos | Ok, thanks dondelelcaro. |
| 01:36.29 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: though generally the only time you'll get that sort of problem in aptitude is when you're running unstable and you've asked for a package to be installed whose only possible way of being installed is to upgrade/remove other packages. |
| 01:38.35 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, this is etch but I don't think the upgrade from sarge went too well |
| 01:38.55 | simonrvn | !intel macs |
| 01:38.56 | dpkg | Intel Macs are peecees in an Apple(tm) case, who boot with EFI, do not send people over to #debianppc. |
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| 01:39.41 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: well, in that case, the problem is possibly that you've got packages which are automatically installed, and aptitude is asking to remove them. |
| 01:39.58 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: the general solution to that is to mark the packages that you actually want as manually installed. |
| 01:40.40 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, which I don't understand because I've already explicitly installed the package I want to keep (totem*) and it still wants to remove them along with the packages I don't want (gnome*) |
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| 01:41.22 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: so aptitude why totem; |
| 01:41.25 | benjamindees | let me look at that |
| 01:41.48 | dondelelcaro | oh; it's etch... may not work on etch. |
| 01:41.56 | benjamindees | unknown command :( |
| 01:42.08 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: in that case, the best thing is for us to see the full aptitude output. |
| 01:42.15 | \amethyst | benjamindees: if you remove gnome* you'll get gnome-icon-theme, which both totem-{gstreamer,xine} depend on |
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| 01:43.14 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: yeah, you don't want remove; you want aptitude markauto gnome*; |
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| 01:45.28 | mogaal | is away: de vuelta |
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| 01:47.17 | mogaal | is back (gone 00:01:49) |
| 01:47.43 | benjamindees | okay that helps; doesn't get rid of much but I think the rest I can do manually |
| 01:48.20 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: well, it'll only get rid of things which aren't dependent on by other things |
| 01:49.14 | benjamindees | I understand, in theory. but afterwards if I do 'aptitude remove gnome-applets gnome-applets-data' it removes them without complaint. |
| 01:49.41 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: someone may be recommending them |
| 01:49.54 | benjamindees | ah, right |
| 01:51.13 | dondelelcaro | mogaal: please turn off your public away/back notifications |
| 01:51.32 | mogaal | dondelelcaro: sorry, i will |
| 01:51.57 | benjamindees | well, I'm getting used to aptitude; but I think I still don't like that behaviour (installing recommended pkgs) |
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| 01:52.20 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: so turn it off; it *is* a configurable option. |
| 01:52.39 | dondelelcaro | (and if you know enough to know that you don't want certain Recommends:, you should know enough to be able to do so) |
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| 01:53.25 | benjamindees | haha, :p that doesn't mean I can't gripe about them though :) |
| 01:53.51 | dondelelcaro | (and the entire point of recommends is that they'll be installed by default anyway, but aren't absolute depends) |
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| 01:54.23 | dondelelcaro | there are *some* which should be Suggests: instead, but in general those bugs are already filed. |
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| 01:55.41 | Penix | I suppose lenny's apt will be defaulting to it too, so get used to it ;) |
| 01:56.15 | dondelelcaro | already is, actually |
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| 02:01.11 | SpookyET | hi |
| 02:01.15 | SpookyET | How do you use radeonfb? I can't get it to work. The syntax is incorect in modprobe.conf? I tried "options radeonfb 1680x1050-32@60" and "options radeonfb mode=1680x1050-32@60". It says incorrect syntax. |
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| 02:03.24 | Nyle | irssi runs on my server and all of a sudden my server started to lag heavily, system is highly unresponsive (no X, just console) there is massive i/o activity on the hdd but I can't find any process listed in htop that is using that |
| 02:03.28 | Nyle | am I compromised? |
| 02:03.33 | Nyle | how can I verify? |
| 02:03.58 | Nyle | there is nothing I know of that could/should be using the hdd that strenously |
| 02:04.06 | \amethyst | Nyle: do a ps aux and look for things in state D |
| 02:04.17 | CHUKY | HELLO |
| 02:04.31 | Bushmills | Nyle: free , look at use of swap |
| 02:04.41 | Supaplex | CHUKY: hello McFly |
| 02:04.47 | \amethyst | yeah, RAM and swap would be the other thing to look at |
| 02:05.43 | CHUKY | Hi McFly |
| 02:05.44 | Nyle | \amethyst, D+ on /stoned 25244 0.0 0.3 5720 1944 pts/3 D+ 22:04 0:00 -bash |
| 02:05.47 | Penix | SpookyET: try either "radeonfb mode-option=1680x1050-32@60" or "radeonfb:mode:1680x1050-32@60" |
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| 02:05.56 | xsdg | Nyle: just run `top` |
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| 02:06.03 | CHUKY | how are u |
| 02:06.04 | xsdg | Nyle: what's the CPU usage line? |
| 02:06.18 | helo_ | i used to be able to run gnome-power-manager from fluxbox without any other work, and i would get an icon in my dock indicating my battery life... now with sid, when i run gnome-power-manager, nothing happens at all... |
| 02:06.19 | Nyle | kswapd0 100% cpu |
| 02:06.28 | Nyle | doesn't show up in htop |
| 02:06.29 | CHUKY | this my first tim |
| 02:06.39 | helo_ | the readme mentions hald being the only requirement, and it is running |
| 02:06.40 | xsdg | Nyle: in top, hit "m" |
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| 02:06.42 | Nyle | Cpu(s): 1.0%us, 6.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 53.4%id, 31.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 7.7%si, 0.0%st |
| 02:06.50 | Penix | helo_: what error(s) does it give you from a terminal? |
| 02:07.02 | helo_ | no output, and no process in ps a |
| 02:07.14 | helo_ | i am a member of powerdev |
| 02:07.15 | xsdg | Nyle: that should sort by memory usage |
| 02:07.30 | Nyle | xsdg, kswapd0 |
| 02:07.32 | Nyle | again |
| 02:07.39 | SpookyET | Penix: those look like boot options. I need modprobe.conf syntax. |
| 02:07.47 | xsdg | Nyle: kswapd0 shouldn't be using memory; it's a kernel daemon |
| 02:08.05 | xsdg | Nyle: that it's working hard means that some other program is likely using lots of memory |
| 02:08.07 | Nyle | 21132 stoned 20 0 12416 4508 2908 R 8.3 0.9 1:49.16 smbd |
| 02:08.08 | Nyle | ah |
| 02:08.13 | Penix | SpookyET: mode-option is supposed to be a module/modprobe one |
| 02:08.21 | Nyle | I think someone is inside my smb server I think |
| 02:08.22 | Nyle | maybe |
| 02:08.25 | xsdg | well, 12 megs isn't big |
| 02:08.29 | Penix | SpookyET: you're way more likely to find help from google than here though |
| 02:08.30 | Nyle | I've got nobody using it |
| 02:08.45 | xsdg | Nyle: sorry; I meant "M" |
| 02:08.45 | Penix | Nyle: what are you doing talking to us then? |
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| 02:08.49 | \amethyst | Nyle: my smbd is 10MB with no one using it |
| 02:08.56 | Penix | Nyle: yank that cable or something |
| 02:09.21 | xsdg | 4.5 megs resident is pretty tiny |
| 02:09.21 | Nyle | I'm trying to think if any of my neighbours have access to my fs |
| 02:09.32 | SpookyET | Penix: i googled |
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| 02:09.46 | prahal | how could I attempt to send a reportbug that failed to send at first (and that was saved in /tmp ) ? my mail clients tells me this is not mbox format |
| 02:09.48 | xsdg | Nyle: if you think it's over the network, do a tcpdump to see what's getting traffic. or `netstat -nltap` |
| 02:09.56 | Nyle | I did |
| 02:10.03 | Nyle | its samba |
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| 02:10.15 | warreng | why would i get "Read-only file system" when i have it mounted: /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/old_drive type ext3 (rw) |
| 02:10.19 | Penix | !tell Jumba990 about root |
| 02:10.21 | Nyle | I woudln't know anyone who would have a ccess to my smb server but me |
| 02:10.33 | Nyle | so i guess im gonna have to reinstall this fucking server |
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| 02:10.37 | xsdg | Nyle: do you have a source IP? can you do a DNS lookup to see if it's close or far away? |
| 02:10.41 | Nyle | 8 years on debian not a single reinstall |
| 02:10.42 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:10.44 | xsdg | Nyle: also, what does /var/log/daemon.log say? |
| 02:10.46 | dendrite | Nyle: Poke around w/ lsof |
| 02:10.52 | Nyle | brb |
| 02:10.55 | xsdg | Nyle: stop assuming things and start figuring things out |
| 02:10.59 | Penix | or maybe just keep track of wtf is going on with your network access/authentication/users next time |
| 02:11.11 | Nyle | ahhhh its the landlord |
| 02:11.18 | Penix | free rent! |
| 02:11.20 | Nyle | shared movies last night |
| 02:11.24 | dendrite | Darn those landlords. |
| 02:11.24 | Nyle | fuck. |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | false alarm I guess |
| 02:11.46 | Nyle | scard the shit outta me for a mintue man |
| 02:11.55 | Nyle | wow |
| 02:12.23 | Nyle | im typing on irssi and all of a sudden my system starts laggin like crazy and im sitting here wonder wtf is up |
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| 02:12.56 | xsdg | Nyle: as a suggestion for the future, panicking is often unproductive; you have the tools, so do some digging and figure stuff out |
| 02:13.15 | Nyle | xsdg, I've ... you're absolutely right. |
| 02:13.18 | Nyle | xsdg, thank you |
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| 02:13.28 | dendrite | Nyle: On the other hand, watching you panic is more fun... |
| 02:13.35 | dendrite | ;-) |
| 02:13.37 | Nyle | nah |
| 02:13.58 | Nyle | I'm sure I woulda been fine after a minute or two, it was the initial thought being compromised that got me |
| 02:14.07 | Nyle | thought of( |
| 02:14.09 | Nyle | * |
| 02:14.24 | Supaplex | I didn't hax it. at least I don't think so. |
| 02:14.47 | Nyle | yeh that was kinda funny. |
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| 02:16.22 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'm not getting any audio output on fresh installs of Debian Etch and Lenny. I've run alsaconf and installed necessary packages, to no avail. I've also unmuted all the channels and set the volume. I've run out of things to debug :-| |
| 02:16.31 | The_PHP_Jedi | sup markybob |
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| 02:16.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:16.53 | markybob | hi |
| 02:16.55 | Nyle | on the other hand, I'd like to see an ASP_Sith |
| 02:17.01 | Nyle | might be fun |
| 02:17.14 | abrotman | hello markybob, how are you this evening? I'm doing splendid, other than the broken clavicle. |
| 02:17.32 | markybob | abrotman, just fine. i did hear about that...damn shame |
| 02:17.46 | The_PHP_Jedi | Nyle, hehe. |
| 02:17.48 | abrotman | markybob: lots of biking will be missed :( |
| 02:18.09 | Supaplex | that or use_Perl |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: sound work for root? does alsa see it at all ? |
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| 02:19.30 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, does ALSA see what? Sound doesn't work at all. :-| |
| 02:19.38 | tomd124 | so I was wondering if there is a more up to date repo for debian |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | tomd124: such as ? |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | tomd124: and for what? |
| 02:19.58 | tomd124 | or is the stable one the only one? |
| 02:20.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | tomd124, there's Lenny's repos, but those should be used only for Lenny installs. |
| 02:20.13 | tomd124 | k |
| 02:20.39 | tomd124 | it's just that I couldn't find pidgin (im) and I finally found it under gaim :P |
| 02:20.55 | \amethyst | tomd124: ah, etch came out before the renaming |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: cat /proc/asound/cards .. anything there ? |
| 02:21.28 | tomd124 | ya, so does the repo never change for the a release, once released? |
| 02:21.37 | Nyle | once frozen stable, no |
| 02:21.42 | Nyle | other than security updates |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | tomd124: it's like gaim 2.000000+beta5.234234234 or something .. basically pidgin .. if you want something more recent (and want to stay with etch) .. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 02:22.29 | tomd124 | ok, nvm, I'm used to the repo being updated with a release, I'll stay with gaim then |
| 02:22.53 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, it returns my HDA Intel card. |
| 02:22.59 | abrotman | is that bad? |
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| 02:23.11 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, well, no. That is my sound card after all :P |
| 02:23.30 | The_PHP_Jedi | "0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel" |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:23.35 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 02:23.45 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, already went through those last night. |
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| 02:23.54 | abrotman | all of them ? |
| 02:24.01 | The_PHP_Jedi | every single one of those. |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | even #9 ? |
| 02:24.18 | The_PHP_Jedi | >.> |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:24.28 | markybob | what was the result of #8? |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID of the sound device? |
| 02:24.50 | Supaplex | 42 |
| 02:24.51 | The_PHP_Jedi | No audio at all. Not even a blip from the speakers |
| 02:25.06 | abrotman | Supaplex: 42:42 ? |
| 02:25.14 | Supaplex | 23:29 < markybob> what was the result of #8? |
| 02:25.15 | markybob | do you have headphones to try? maybe your speakers are just dead |
| 02:25.16 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | or unplugged .. wouldn't be the first |
| 02:25.30 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, "00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 03)" |
| 02:25.39 | The_PHP_Jedi | markybob, speakers are working fine under Hardy + WinXP |
| 02:25.47 | markybob | i see |
| 02:26.01 | markybob | The_PHP_Jedi, which kernel are you using? |
| 02:26.12 | The_PHP_Jedi | markybob, 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 02:26.13 | abrotman | should be snd-intel-hda |
| 02:26.18 | markybob | well, hardy has a newer kernel than that. so many you need to upgrade for your card |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: that's nto etch or lenny |
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| 02:26.55 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, I'm on Lenny right now. |
| 02:26.57 | The_PHP_Jedi | Beta 1. |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date .. if not all of alsa |
| 02:27.36 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: uname -a .. show us |
| 02:27.47 | guisf | hello everyone! I am having the following network problem: |
| 02:27.49 | guisf | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 02:27.53 | guisf | eth0: Transmit timeout, status 0c 0005 c07f media 00. |
| 02:27.55 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, Linux thephpjedi-desktop 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 20:20:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:28.05 | guisf | does any one have a clue on how to solve it? |
| 02:28.21 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: if you run a dist-upgrade .. does it want to upgrade anything ? |
| 02:29.03 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, yeah, grab ~170 megs of packages |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | uhm .. what could go wrong |
| 02:29.55 | Supaplex | abrotman: candy moutian will appear? |
| 02:30.12 | simonrvn | the sky falls |
| 02:30.18 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, should I go for it? There's a few packages related to gstreamer, although none from ALSA. |
| 02:30.40 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: should be a newer kernel also |
| 02:30.44 | Supaplex | ouu ouu, the cost of gas will tripple. that's it. |
| 02:31.00 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, yeah .24 |
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| 02:33.14 | zkline | I've got a networking situation here I'm not sure of the best way to resolve. I just got my wireless interface working, connected to my router using WPA. |
| 02:33.39 | The_PHP_Jedi | gives cookies to abrotman |
| 02:33.58 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 02:34.00 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds flw17... WiFiTux: i think we've covered more than once english isn't your frist langauge |
| 02:34.25 | zkline | There's an unsecured public network I use too, and I was wondering if there's a way I can get the connnection to pick one automatically depending on which is available. I know this is the domain of network-manager, but that doesn't seem to be accessible with my screen reader. |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | has no idea how that made it as a FLW |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | screenreader ? |
| 02:35.08 | zkline | Yeah. AKA Orca for Gnome. |
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| 02:35.52 | zkline | Is there a CLI equivalent, I wonder? |
| 02:35.58 | abrotman | !info netenv etch |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | nm has a CLI tool IIRC |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | erm .. n-m |
| 02:36.21 | dpkg | netenv: (Configure your system for different network environments), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.94.3-21 (etch), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 02:37.31 | zkline | Hm. Netenv sounds interesting. I hope it won't prompt before Alsa comes up so I can hear it. |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | you could change the ordering i'd suspect |
| 02:38.30 | Samonoske | d |
| 02:38.50 | simonrvn | by the time network and sound come up, i think modules have already been loaded, so you could probably mod it so you get alsa up first. |
| 02:39.19 | simonrvn | usually networking starts up first, so you'd have to. |
| 02:39.28 | abrotman | defers to simonrvn! |
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| 02:39.46 | abrotman | i was very excited about deferring :) |
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| 02:40.21 | lindenle | can I use a socks5 proxy with apt-get |
| 02:40.27 | zkline | Wonder if I can just use the NM cli and forget it. I haven't found that yet. |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | zkline: apt-file list network-manager | grep bin |
| 02:43.02 | zkline | Thanks, Abrotman. I'll try that. |
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| 02:44.52 | zkline | Hm. Only CLI seems to be nm-tool. That doesn't tell me much or let me configure it. |
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| 02:45.49 | markybob | The_PHP_Jedi, so, i dont know where i dropped off, but did you try a newer kernel? |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | i think he's doing the whole dist-upgrade .. he was 170MB out of sync |
| 02:46.20 | The_PHP_Jedi | markybob, I'm downloading the newer kernel + other updates as we speak |
| 02:46.26 | markybob | ah, good |
| 02:46.27 | The_PHP_Jedi | yeah, what abrotman said |
| 02:46.59 | abrotman | The_PHP_Jedi: the .24 i have from lenny says your card is snd_intel_hda |
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| 02:47.06 | The_PHP_Jedi | Thanks to both of you. I was about to rip my hairs out :P |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | both of them? |
| 02:47.32 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, huh? |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | both your hairs :) |
| 02:47.47 | The_PHP_Jedi | oh :P |
| 02:47.54 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'm not bald at sixteen, thank you. |
| 02:48.01 | abrotman | /nick PHP_Yoda |
| 02:48.17 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, nah. Someone else I know deserves that title. |
| 02:48.27 | The_PHP_Jedi | He's sixteen and is a PHP wizard. |
| 02:48.30 | The_PHP_Jedi | er.. twelve |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | not anyone from ##php i'd guess |
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| 02:49.33 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, yeah, he's not in ##php |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | shocker |
| 02:49.42 | S4nD3r | how to setup gdm as default login manager?? |
| 02:49.48 | zkline | Hm. The network-admin tool in Gnome and network-manager are separate things, right? |
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| 02:49.58 | abrotman | S4nD3r: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 02:50.09 | abrotman | zkline: i think so |
| 02:50.26 | S4nD3r | thank you so much abrotman |
| 02:50.27 | The_PHP_Jedi | abrotman, anyways, time to pass away some time with some flash games from ArmorGames.com :] |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | oh crap .. i forgot to finish the portal flash thingie |
| 02:50.54 | The_PHP_Jedi | heh |
| 02:51.13 | zkline | Figured they were. Bah. |
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| 02:53.01 | zkline | As far as modding the boot scripts to start sound first, would just changing the order they're run in runlevel 2 do it? |
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| 02:53.48 | simonrvn | yes, if n-m's init script gets run there |
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| 02:54.41 | crazyfrog | i want to install xfree86 instead of xorg in my etch box,what package should i install? |
| 02:54.41 | zkline | Was refering to netenv--I don't think NM's going to work for me, sadly. |
| 02:54.44 | simonrvn | crazyfrog: you don't. |
| 02:55.12 | simonrvn | zkline: oh, hm, good question. same answer i suppose. if not, you'll have to start alsa in rcS |
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| 02:56.03 | zkline | Oh? I can do that? |
| 02:56.05 | crazyfrog | simonrvn:why?is it because in etch we can only install xorg? |
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| 02:56.34 | simonrvn | zkline: after the module loading sure |
| 02:57.03 | simonrvn | crazyfrog: yes. xfree86 is old now. why do you want to install that? |
| 02:57.24 | simonrvn | (the one in debian anyway, it's only in sarge now iirc) |
| 02:57.24 | click170 | up until earlier today, my iptables was able to log to my syslog as normal. Then, I added one line to syslog.conf, "*.* @192.168.80.2" and now iptables messages no longer show up in the log on either machine. Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 02:58.05 | simonrvn | is remote syslogd receiving anything? |
| 02:58.30 | click170 | No. |
| 02:59.01 | Rusty1_ | for a radeon 9600, not for x-server just cli, what package provides the drivers? |
| 02:59.01 | click170 | I suspect that syslog is not even receiving the messages from iptables, even though iptables registers packets passing the LOG rule. |
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| 02:59.11 | crazyfrog | simonrvn:because i am very confused with the X system,the most manuals i can find is about xfree86 |
| 02:59.36 | simonrvn | tcpdump it, watch for port 614 (IIRC) UDP |
| 02:59.49 | simonrvn | !drxx crazyfrog |
| 02:59.49 | dpkg | crazyfrog: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 03:00.29 | click170 | simonrvn: well, if the localhost's logfiles don't show anything, why should I assume that it would be sending the messages to the remote host? *scratches head* I will try anyway |
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| 03:01.10 | PaulBrando | I just installed Debian, and I can't use sudo. I can't run gksudo gedit either. How do I add myself to the list? |
| 03:01.12 | simonrvn | i'm guessing your syslogd isn't listening |
| 03:01.29 | Nyle | amphi, ping |
| 03:01.31 | Nyle | simonrvn, ih |
| 03:01.38 | simonrvn | edit sudoers as root.. (duh) |
| 03:01.42 | simonrvn | Nyle: ih |
| 03:01.45 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:01.50 | Nyle | kwe kwe |
| 03:01.56 | markybob | did you install sudo? |
| 03:02.00 | click170 | simonrvn: I don't think your understanding, neither the syslog on the local machine or the syslog on the remote machine are receiving the messages from iptables. |
| 03:02.19 | jod | su |
| 03:02.23 | simonrvn | i think i am, but that's cool. |
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| 03:03.29 | PaulBrando | simonrvn: ok thank you. I just came from Ubuntu, and the way it is set up there, is that an administrator can use sudo by default. So I'm unfamiliar with logging in as root. When I tried it at the login screen it told me I couldn't |
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| 03:05.03 | simonrvn | did you put in a passwd for the root user? |
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| 03:05.32 | PaulBrando | simonrvn: yes I did |
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| 03:06.21 | The_PHP_Jedi | brb -- restarting |
| 03:06.47 | infinity1 | a power outage caused some corruption on my reiser3 root filesystem. how can i force the system to fsck and fix it on boot? |
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| 03:07.23 | simonrvn | so you should be able to; do "su -" and then edit sudoers via visudo, and you're golden. just add your user copying the root entry |
| 03:07.34 | muddd | there isnt supposed to be on-join spam is there? |
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| 03:08.05 | xsdg | muddd: from where? |
| 03:08.10 | xsdg | oh, I see |
| 03:08.12 | muddd | Budget_Casket |
| 03:08.24 | xsdg | !ops Budget_Casket |
| 03:08.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xsdg complains about: Budget_Casket |
| 03:08.56 | simonrvn | i just keep seeing it quitting with excess flood |
| 03:09.04 | muddd | me too |
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| 03:09.16 | xsdg | simonrvn: probably in multiple channels |
| 03:09.20 | xsdg | LoRez: hey; how goes? |
| 03:09.26 | simonrvn | mm, yeh. makes sense. |
| 03:09.31 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 03:09.33 | click170 | simonrvn: do you mean the syslog on the machine generating the iptables messages has to be started with -r even though it's not the logserver? |
| 03:09.35 | simonrvn | hi LoRez |
| 03:09.46 | LoRez | idiots |
| 03:09.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:09.55 | LoRez | xsdg: not bad. haven't seen you around in a while |
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| 03:10.20 | simonrvn | click170: well, you have to send them out, and receive them, so both need network syslog enabled. |
| 03:10.23 | anarcat | hello |
| 03:10.23 | xsdg | LoRez: I've been on and off sporadically; busy with school, mostly |
| 03:10.38 | simonrvn | hi |
| 03:10.42 | xsdg | LoRez: I graduate in 2 weeks though (!!!) |
| 03:10.52 | simonrvn | xsdg: congrats :D |
| 03:10.59 | LoRez | yes, congrats |
| 03:10.59 | xsdg | simonrvn: danke |
| 03:11.03 | anarcat | do you people know of a tool that would copy a *live* filesystem *image* (as in /dev/hda even if there's a crypto layer on top of it) without shutting down the system? |
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| 03:11.21 | LoRez | so, you'll have more time to spend on perfecting your bot-hunting bot, right? ;) |
| 03:11.24 | anarcat | i know i can use LVM snapshots, but that would mean backing up the decrypted data, i would like to avoid doing that |
| 03:11.26 | xsdg | anarcat: is it a problem if it's inconsistent? |
| 03:11.40 | anarcat | xsdg: as in "an fsck will fix it"? no |
| 03:11.51 | xsdg | LoRez: heh. Is there still a need? |
| 03:11.51 | click170 | simonrvn: but when the LOG target is used in iptables, I understood that it does this through the kernel? If it did it through the network, that sounds like there would be potential for a never ending loop |
| 03:12.05 | anarcat | xsdg: as in "you'll never get anything out of this backup", of course it's a problem :) |
| 03:12.26 | LoRez | xsdg: seems there will always be that need. We've got some neat new tools though |
| 03:12.40 | xsdg | anarcat: there are filesystems that can do snapshots (like ZFS), which is what you're really looking for, I think |
| 03:12.58 | click170 | simonrvn: also, the iptables log messages are the only messages which don't seem to be making it into syslog, I see messages from other services still |
| 03:13.05 | anarcat | xsdg: yeah well, no, that's not :) |
| 03:13.23 | anarcat | xsdg: i can already do an LVM snapshot and backup that and that will be the equivalent of yanking the cord out of the machine |
| 03:13.30 | anarcat | that is satisfyingly inconsistent |
| 03:13.35 | xsdg | anarcat: I don't think there's a good way to do it with standard filesystems (that is, you can `dd`, but if there's the possibility of an update in the middle messing with filesystem consistency in a way that's worse than an unclean unmount) |
| 03:13.43 | anarcat | but it's unencrypted and imposes unnecessary overhead |
| 03:14.19 | anarcat | basically, my problem is that I have encrypted disk A that's running a LVM volume group with a bunch of logical volume |
| 03:14.23 | anarcat | i want to duplicate it |
| 03:14.28 | anarcat | without turning the server off |
| 03:14.39 | anarcat | i expect the answer to be "you can't do that", i just want the confirmation :) |
| 03:14.58 | xsdg | anarcat: ok. I don't think there's a good way to do that without at least forcing updates to stop while the copy is happening |
| 03:15.09 | anarcat | ack |
| 03:16.10 | xsdg | anarcat: and with an encrypted filesystem, it seems even worse if updates happen in the middle of a copy, since you'll probably end up with unreadable (undecryptable) blocks in the filesystem |
| 03:16.18 | anarcat | right |
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| 03:17.21 | simonrvn | click170: ok, you might need to tweak it slightly then. |
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| 03:20.53 | click170 | simonrvn: tweak which? |
| 03:21.30 | click170 | simonrvn: I've changed my syslog.conf file back to it's original state, and I'm still not seeing the iptables logs |
| 03:23.22 | click170 | Could this be some kind of netfilter bug? |
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| 03:24.24 | simonrvn | not sure.... i couldn't say much more on this. |
| 03:24.42 | click170 | Hmm. Well thanks for ur suggestions |
| 03:24.55 | simonrvn | np, good luck with that. |
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| 03:26.17 | Rockj | if I want to let postfix have access to my SSL cert .key file, I should simple adding postfix into ssl-cert group? is that the debian way todo it? |
| 03:26.29 | Rockj | (ssl-cert got read-access to key file) |
| 03:27.30 | infinity1 | how can i specify "--rebuild-tree" during the bootup fsck? |
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| 03:31.18 | lfs | There still is no wine of gnash for amd-64? |
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| 03:33.28 | click170 | simonrvn: I have an update, when I type dmesg, i can see the firewall logs, or at least some of them. |
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| 03:35.45 | linux_stu | is there a package in apt for opera? |
| 03:36.01 | S4nD3r | Gnome do not works... just comes a black screen... everytime I need to run in single mode, |
| 03:36.06 | S4nD3r | and do it dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 03:36.11 | markybob | linux_stu, opera provides its own deb package on their site |
| 03:36.23 | S4nD3r | Id like to run in normal boot,,, what to do?? |
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| 03:36.46 | linux_stu | markybob thanks. seems a little strange to me... |
| 03:41.21 | linux_stu | well, seems like w3m isn't capable of downloading the file from opera's site |
| 03:41.51 | linux_stu | opera = fail |
| 03:42.11 | crazyfrog | in the X server/client model,the display manager should belong to client side,right? |
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| 03:55.33 | S4nD3r | how to setup to xorg use my videocard as default?? |
| 03:56.15 | chops | So I have a strange problem: ssh connections from my work machine (putty on Windows) to my home machine (Debian sid) sometimes "hang"; data stops flowing across them (sometimes in the middle of e.g. aptitude output) and does not restart. This happens very quickly with every connection I make. |
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| 03:57.43 | fengor | chops: you dont happen to press ctrl-s by accident? |
| 03:57.44 | chops | If I connect my home machine to the work VPN, and then ssh to the VPN address, it works fine. We did recently replace a FreeBSD firewall with a Cisco router at work. I have a packet trace from both sides of a connection "hang"ing in this manner, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. |
| 03:57.51 | chops | fengor: No. Certainly not. |
| 03:58.57 | chops | The packet traces from both sides are available at http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/broken-ssh-from-{mole,wizardry}.pcap |
| 03:59.00 | chops | Er |
| 03:59.20 | chops | http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/broken-ssh-from-mole.pcap and http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/broken-ssh-from-wizardry.pcap |
| 03:59.28 | chops | I guess the other way was a rude way to do it :-) |
| 03:59.29 | fengor | chops in that case maybe the router drops the connection if there is no outgoing pakets to the debian sid machine? |
| 03:59.46 | Sling | 'netstat -atu | grep LISTEN' would list all opened ports on my machine right? |
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| 03:59.53 | chops | fengor: Not in the middle of a command sending output, certainly. |
| 03:59.54 | Sling | all listening ports i mean |
| 04:00.02 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 04:00.08 | PaulBrando | I just installed Debian, leaving my /home folder partition as it was from Ubuntu, and I'm getting an error message about not finding a nautilus saved session. |
| 04:00.49 | fengor | chops dunno depends on the configuration i guess. have you tried hitting space or something during command execution to see if the connection stays alive longer? |
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| 04:01.22 | Sling | PaulBrando : have you chown-ed the /home folder to your user-account |
| 04:01.23 | fengor | PaulBrando: where does nautilus save its sessions? in the home folder or under /tmp? |
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| 04:02.11 | PaulBrando | sling, fengor: the user-account is the same, and they are saved in home (.nautilus) |
| 04:02.12 | chops | fengor: The command in question is 'aptitude update'. When I say, "in the middle," I mean in the middle. |
| 04:02.33 | fengor | then check if the files are properly owned as Sling said |
| 04:02.49 | Sling | if the user has the same name, it still wont have the same UID |
| 04:02.53 | Sling | (probably) |
| 04:02.59 | Sling | so re-chown them |
| 04:03.08 | Sling | chown -R <user> /<user>/home |
| 04:03.10 | PaulBrando | fengor, Sling: will check that out. Thanks! |
| 04:03.13 | Sling | np |
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| 04:04.27 | fengor | chops yes i got that. but i dont know if your cisco router counts incoming packets (ouput of aptitude) as well for keeping connections alive or if it just coutns outgoing packets (keystrokes from the windows machine) which you normally dont have while waiting for aptitude to finish |
| 04:04.39 | fengor | anyways gotta catch the train cy all in 1 hour |
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| 04:06.15 | chops | fengor: Outgoing packets correspond to a lot more than keypresses. If the Cisco router were willing to timeout a connection when one side was sending nothing but ACKs, that would cause a boatload of problems with protocols not limited to ssh. |
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| 04:06.39 | markybob | it would be great if apic stopped freezing my laptop :P |
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| 04:07.39 | chops | fengor: (Not to mention the fact that 'aptitude update' will complete before all but the most ridiculous NAT timeout will have a chance to time out) |
| 04:08.09 | Tapout | my apache in debian says it has mod_perl installed. However when I enable it, all modules are missing from perl. What do you install to get all the required modules installed.. like Apache::Status |
| 04:08.52 | Tapout | I do see that Apache::Status is included with http://search.cpan.org/~gozer/mod_perl-1.30/ ... |
| 04:09.04 | Tapout | but, I don't see that mod_perl package in aptitude |
| 04:09.17 | chops | Tapout: Tried apt-file search? |
| 04:09.21 | chops | !tell Tapout about search |
| 04:09.51 | chops | Tapout: Also, trying being a bit more specific about 'all modules are missing from perl'; try listing the exact error message you get that leads you to conclude that |
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| 04:11.23 | Tapout | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:12.20 | scibot | Hi, I need help figuring out how to cycle through screen resolutions, CTRL ALT + works, but I'm getting a virtual desktop where I pan around the original resolution using the new one. |
| 04:12.45 | chops | Tapout: Does /usr/lib/perl5/Apache/Status.pm exist? |
| 04:12.57 | chops | Tapout: Is the libapache-mod-perl package installed? |
| 04:13.06 | chops | Tapout: Are you running apache 1 or 2? |
| 04:13.12 | Tapout | apache 2 mod_perl 2 |
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| 04:13.26 | chops | Tapout: In that case it's Apache2::Status.pm |
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| 04:13.37 | gradetwo | j #ubuntu |
| 04:13.53 | Tapout | chops, is it safe to have both used? |
| 04:13.55 | chops | Tapout: You can get Apache::Status from the libapache-mod-perl, but I don't know if that is supposed to work with apache 2. |
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| 04:14.31 | chops | Tapout: If the packages will both install simultaneously (i.e. no conflict specified), then it should be safe to have both installed. As I say, I have no idea what happens if you use Apache::Status from mod_perl under apache 2. |
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| 04:16.37 | Tapout | is there a way to probe aptitude to see if both named packages conflict? |
| 04:17.53 | markybob | Tapout, `apt-cache show package` will list "Conflicts" if any exist |
| 04:18.08 | markybob | Tapout, (try it with xserver-xorg for example) |
| 04:18.31 | chops | Tapout: Easiest way is probably to try it and see |
| 04:19.03 | Tapout | kk, thanks guys |
| 04:19.08 | chops | Tapout: np |
| 04:19.18 | Tapout | one last question, any idea why .. domain.com/cgi-bin/test <-- just prints out the file? instead of parsing it |
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| 04:21.04 | chops | Tapout: That I can't help much with; you might try #apache. Use ScriptAlias instead of Alias, make sure it's executable and the handler is set correctly... but it could be any number of things and I'm not an apache expert to be sure. |
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| 04:22.09 | chops | Huh. Well, after looking over my ssh traces in a bit more detail it looks like the problem is that something can't handle the first big packet (1350 bytes, with DF) that comes along. |
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| 04:23.10 | chops | I'll try again when I get back to work tomorrow and see if I can't find out what's at fault. My theory that it was the NSA's super sophisticated ssh hijacker machine going awry is looking even less likely than it was in the first place. |
| 04:24.10 | iateadonu1 | is there a good SMS sending thingy for Debian? is there anyone whose used a particular service that they are pleased with? |
| 04:24.33 | iateadonu1 | (for two way messaging) |
| 04:25.15 | diveli | i use clickatell to send sms from a debian server running nagios |
| 04:25.21 | diveli | oh, not two way though |
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| 04:27.32 | iateadonu1 | i'll check out clickatell. |
| 04:27.41 | iateadonu1 | thanks. |
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| 04:29.08 | markybob | i'll show you a nagios |
| 04:29.39 | diveli | my nagios pwned your nagios |
| 04:30.10 | markybob | hides in shame |
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| 04:35.37 | jberg | hm, does anyone know where i can find atheros HAL driver for debian? |
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| 04:45.30 | JyZyXEL | how nice |
| 04:45.41 | JyZyXEL | mutt has not been seding any of my mail |
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| 04:45.59 | JyZyXEL | yet it always said "Mail sent." |
| 04:46.35 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: is it a problem with mutt, or with your MTA? |
| 04:46.54 | xsdg | (where "MTA" ~= "sendmail, exim, postfix, or equivalent" |
| 04:46.55 | xsdg | ) |
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| 04:47.55 | AussieGuySyd | hi. I am trying to transfer a 5GB file over sftp via ssh to my home folder. I log into sftp as me, and the transfer stops at 35mb |
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| 04:48.41 | AussieGuySyd | this happens consistently...is there any size limit or anything |
| 04:48.57 | AussieGuySyd | the linux ssh server reports to windows filezilla that the transfer (a drive backup) is completed |
| 04:49.45 | JyZyXEL | how should i know |
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| 05:00.37 | jberg | is it possible to download build-essential in a .deb somewhere? i need them to build my wifi drivers.. |
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| 05:01.44 | SeveredCross | jberg: packages.debian.org. |
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| 05:01.54 | SeveredCross | Er, build-essential is just a metapackage though. |
| 05:02.00 | SeveredCross | So you gotta figure out its depends and download those. |
| 05:02.04 | jberg | oh. hm |
| 05:02.06 | jberg | damnit |
| 05:02.11 | jberg | fuck |
| 05:02.36 | jberg | do you know if the debian installer has atheros drivers? |
| 05:02.43 | jberg | ubuntu did |
| 05:03.00 | jberg | if not im just installing ubuntu. this is too much hassle for a network card |
| 05:03.23 | SeveredCross | I don't think d-i has Atheros drivers built into it, no. |
| 05:03.36 | SeveredCross | It didn't have iwlwifi, so I don't think Atheros will be included. |
| 05:03.38 | meff | have fun |
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| 05:04.23 | SeveredCross | I just dealt with the "hassle," though for my card it was easy. |
| 05:04.39 | SeveredCross | I just downloaded a more recent kernel, wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant and the firmware .deb's onto a flash drive. |
| 05:05.20 | Tapout | So i'm trying to figure out why ... when I put domains in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ... that debian has setup apache to toggle +Indexes on .. /home/<user>/<domain> directories. I've searched for all "indexes" .. looked at them, they only enable them for certain areas... anyone know what is going on... what i'm missing |
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| 05:06.19 | \amethyst | Tapout: /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
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| 05:06.43 | Tapout | ya but that sets it up for .. /home/*/public_html |
| 05:06.45 | \amethyst | Tapout: assuming you have that module enabled (I believe it is by default) |
| 05:06.45 | Quintin | Will my desktop be less annoyingly slow if I use software RAID 0? P4 3ghz, 3gb dual channel DDR2, 40gb SATA drive is used for / now |
| 05:06.57 | \amethyst | Tapout: oh, hm, you're right |
| 05:07.10 | SeveredCross | Quintin: And you find your desktop annoyingly slow? |
| 05:07.13 | SeveredCross | You must be doing SOMETHING wrong. |
| 05:07.20 | Quintin | SeveredCross: Hardly |
| 05:07.32 | SeveredCross | Desktop != I/O. |
| 05:07.47 | Quintin | That statement makes no sense |
| 05:07.58 | SeveredCross | Your statement didn't make much sense to me either. |
| 05:08.11 | SeveredCross | If your desktop is annoyingly slow on that kind of hardware, I feel like there's an overarching issue. |
| 05:08.25 | SeveredCross | Define annoyingly slow for me. |
| 05:08.36 | Quintin | I don't like waiting for programs to load |
| 05:08.41 | jberg | the full cd options for testing, is the most important stuff on cd1? like gcc make and everything i need to build stuff. because then i can download a full cd and use that |
| 05:08.47 | jberg | but i cant download 30 cds.. |
| 05:08.55 | SeveredCross | jberg: gcc is not included IIRC. |
| 05:09.08 | jberg | oh lordy lord |
| 05:09.10 | Tapout | \amethyst, it's so weird, i see *no place* that it's toggled on |
| 05:09.28 | Quintin | Firefox, OOo, are the biggest problems. nautilus being slow to load things, slowness browsing large pictures, etc |
| 05:09.33 | jberg | why dont they include gcc? |
| 05:09.47 | jberg | its not like people dont have to build stuff |
| 05:09.51 | Quintin | jberg: Is this machine not going to be networked? |
| 05:09.52 | SeveredCross | Quintin: RAID 0 would certainly speed up your I/O, which is the reason all those things are slow, but remember that the 0 in RAID 0 stands for how much of your data you stand to get back if a drive dies. |
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| 05:10.10 | SeveredCross | jberg: Yeah, but you generally expect people doing a minimal install to not need a full set of software. |
| 05:10.17 | jberg | Quintin: yes. but none of the network cards work out of the box, so i need to buid them |
| 05:10.24 | SeveredCross | And the maintainers chcose not to include gcc. |
| 05:10.30 | Quintin | SeveredCross: Of course that's what extra 500gb disk is for |
| 05:10.38 | Quintin | jberg: Just get a diff NIC? |
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| 05:10.41 | jberg | SeveredCross: yes but what about those that have networks cards which doesnt work out of the box |
| 05:10.56 | SeveredCross | jberg: Download the .deb's and tarballs you need, stick 'em on a flash drive? |
| 05:11.13 | SeveredCross | That's what I do, and other people who I know who use Debian with network hardware that's not supported OTOB do. |
| 05:11.13 | jberg | is there a .deb for atheros somewhere? |
| 05:11.32 | jberg | hmm maybe in non-free |
| 05:11.43 | Supaplex | !madwifi |
| 05:11.43 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
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| 05:12.34 | jberg | !madwifi-install |
| 05:12.34 | dpkg | [madwifi-install] ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 05:13.43 | jberg | hmm so i need the .debs for madwifi-tools and module-assistant for testing |
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| 05:14.12 | meff | and probably kernel headers and build-essential |
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| 05:14.40 | jberg | meff: but i dont need to build it when its in a .deb? |
| 05:15.00 | meff | module assistant builds binary debs for drivers out of the kernel |
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| 05:15.16 | jberg | oh |
| 05:15.29 | meff | hm |
| 05:15.38 | meff | what i'd do is get a livecd running |
| 05:15.42 | meff | then debootstrap your disk |
| 05:15.55 | jberg | debootstrap? |
| 05:16.01 | meff | !debootstrap |
| 05:16.01 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 05:16.34 | jberg | does a ubuntu disk work? that is a livecd right? |
| 05:16.39 | meff | yes |
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| 05:16.54 | meff | i dont mess with d-i anymore.. i use finnix and do a bootstrap most of my installs |
| 05:17.08 | Quintin | jberg: Why don't you just use another ethernet card? |
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| 05:17.23 | jberg | because i dont have any right now |
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| 05:17.56 | Quintin | jberg: borrow maybe? |
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| 05:18.14 | meff | jberg: use a livecd that supports your card, debootstrap the disk and while chrooted in, module-assisant build the ath stuff.. then reboot into the disk and you have your drivers. |
| 05:18.29 | dabreegster | I'm trying to explicitly tell my fans with cpufreq to go as quiet as they will. My loads are down but I can't hear a difference. The cores are running at 1Ghz instead of their potential 2.4, but I dont think the fan is adjusting. Is there a simple way to manually slow down the fans? |
| 05:18.53 | jberg | meff: when i used the ubuntu livecd my wireless network card worked |
| 05:19.05 | jberg | but i dont install the debootstrap process with chroot and stuff.. |
| 05:19.10 | jberg | i dont understand* |
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| 05:19.27 | meff | check out the debian install guide |
| 05:19.33 | meff | it has deboostrap instructions. |
| 05:19.35 | jberg | ok |
| 05:19.38 | jberg | thanks |
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| 05:20.11 | Quintin | dabreegster: did you check the BIOS? |
| 05:20.45 | dabreegster | Quintin: i have AMD cool and quiet enabled, thats the only option related to it |
| 05:21.04 | dabreegster | powernow_k8 and related modules are loaded |
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| 05:22.06 | sams | Hi anybody tell me what is orca channel ? |
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| 05:24.33 | Tapout | HOW |
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| 05:24.38 | jberg | meff: should i delete and make new partitions before i debootstrap? |
| 05:24.44 | Tapout | do you disable the +Indexes *globally* set on debian's default install of apache? |
| 05:24.52 | diveli | crikey, xname.org has been down a few days now... |
| 05:24.56 | Tapout | I add sites to httpd.conf and all have +indexes toggled |
| 05:25.22 | nirupama | I want a help |
| 05:25.34 | nirupama | Now in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 05:25.43 | nirupama | I have gnome and kde applications |
| 05:26.07 | diveli | Tapout: I think you can specify Options -Indexes in /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 05:26.35 | nirupama | I want that in every .desktop file of all the applications it should check for Categories=GNOME or Categories=KDE |
| 05:27.22 | diveli | apache2.conf rather |
| 05:27.49 | nirupama | and according to that a line should be added to each file OnlyShowIn=GNOME or OnlyShowIn=KDE |
| 05:28.01 | nirupama | what loop I should write for that in shell scripting |
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| 05:55.02 | chicobento | finalizando a configuração do Chessmaster 10ht + wine na boa ;) |
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| 06:04.53 | Frem_ | Stupid question: I want a pared down linux install for an old system. Is it possible to install busybox and tinyX packages into a normal debian system to get the "weight" down and speed things up a bit? |
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| 06:05.54 | wols | busybox is installed by default |
| 06:06.11 | wols | dunno of a tinyX package in debian |
| 06:06.19 | wols | why not use DSL? |
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| 06:06.44 | erpo | Frem_: Maybe you need a thin client? |
| 06:06.56 | Frem_ | Because DSL has all manner of random stuff in it, and I'd like to do it myself. ;-) |
| 06:07.15 | Frem_ | erpo, Thin clients are out because this machine won't have an internet connection. |
| 06:07.34 | wols | Frem_: how much RAM? |
| 06:07.38 | Frem_ | 96mb |
| 06:07.45 | Frem_ | and 4 gigs of disk space |
| 06:07.53 | wols | that is plenty :) |
| 06:08.23 | wols | you can easily fit a debian in less than 1GB disk |
| 06:08.38 | erpo | Windows '95 would rock on that hardware! |
| 06:09.10 | Frem_ | I want to try to cram it down into 200-300mb, total. |
| 06:09.23 | erpo | I'm afraid it couldn't match the hardware compatibility of Linux, though. |
| 06:09.31 | Frem_ | erpo, exactly. |
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| 06:22.54 | grendal_mobile | grrrr |
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| 06:24.38 | grendal_mobile | so I'm working with wget. ineed it to download a file through a vpn connection |
| 06:26.26 | grendal_mobile | problem is...thiis happens before the vpn comes up. and if th vpn doesn't come up wget waits for 6 min |
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| 06:28.33 | erpo | grendal_mobile: Don't invoke wget. Invoke test_and_wget.sh instead, which tries to ping a host on the other side of the VPN once every second and when it succeeds, invokes wget. |
| 06:29.23 | grendal_mobile | ya that's how I'm doing it now |
| 06:30.28 | erpo | What's wrong with that? |
| 06:30.30 | grendal_mobile | I was hoping there was something in the man pages that I was missreading |
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| 06:31.25 | erpo | Wait. You can't be doing it that way. |
| 06:31.43 | grendal_mobile | well its just more code that has to be qa'd |
| 06:31.51 | grendal_mobile | yes I can |
| 06:31.58 | erpo | The way I described, wget doesn't get invoked until the VPN comes up, and your problem is that it gets invoked before the VPN comes up. |
| 06:32.12 | grendal_mobile | I put a timer in it as well |
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| 06:33.11 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:33.13 | erpo | grendal_mobile: But you don't need a timer. You need a tester. |
| 06:33.23 | deb08 | hio |
| 06:33.54 | grendal_mobile | network varriables may delay vpn connection |
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| 06:34.59 | grendal_mobile | if network never comes up. we need it to time out |
| 06:35.39 | grendal_mobile | thanks for the confirmation |
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| 06:49.50 | Pascal_1 | bonjour |
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| 06:52.22 | gimmal | anyone know what sets JAVA_HOME with the debian java setup? had to hack an install for sun's J2EE 1.6 -- got the alternatives all set up, but still not sure how to make sure that JAVA_HOME gets set right |
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| 06:53.55 | tralala | gimmal, try /etc/environment |
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| 06:54.54 | wols | gimmal: install java6 from a debian package |
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| 07:09.29 | gimmal | whatever sets JAVA_HOME, it appears to do it after /etc/bash.bashrc is sourced |
| 07:10.06 | gimmal | eh, scratch the "appears", it fscking does do that |
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| 07:12.16 | gimmal | gimmal: look at `update-java-alternatives' ... and i'm lagged like hell here, but still answerying my own damn questions >|^) |
| 07:12.50 | gimmal | gimmal: also take a look at /usr/lib/jvm/.java-gcj.jinfo ... useful advice, there, actually |
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| 07:19.11 | khaleel5000 | hello , i have a via p4m800 /8237 mobo,i use built in graphy, which drivers should i use with debian etch (which will be the best ones) |
| 07:20.20 | wols | khaleel5000: via |
| 07:20.49 | khaleel5000 | wols: whick package will that be in? |
| 07:21.52 | khaleel5000 | wols:oh sorry , i do use via, but sometimes X crashes, any alternative? |
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| 07:27.20 | Trollinator | i have a very weird problem |
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| 07:27.42 | Trollinator | i can't find the package that /usr/bin/man is in... |
| 07:27.52 | Trollinator | dpkg -S doesn't work, it just doesn't find the package. |
| 07:27.52 | dpkg | You Fool! doesn't work, it just doesn't find the package. is installed! |
| 07:28.27 | Trollinator | dpkg -S /usr/bin/man |
| 07:28.28 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/man: Status: install ok installed |
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| 07:40.51 | jump | hello there,i'm a newbie but xmms in debian lenny do not exist? |
| 07:41.16 | meff | !xmms |
| 07:41.16 | dpkg | somebody said xmms was the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
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| 07:43.06 | jump | meff: but xmms2 have a interface graphics? |
| 07:43.23 | meff | not sure. last time i checked not really |
| 07:43.30 | meff | i use MPD/Sonata personally |
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| 07:44.55 | jump | yes but is very bad and strange remove xmms for me was the winamp of linux |
| 07:45.01 | x03 | how can i downgrade some package ? |
| 07:45.03 | meff | note on the 'was' |
| 07:45.11 | meff | its old and decrepit now heh |
| 07:45.29 | x03 | i need downgrade the tinymce to version 2 and i have 3 |
| 07:45.32 | hifi | jump: try audacious |
| 07:45.41 | esteel | damn, the nvidia-glx update in unstable broke X on my laptop |
| 07:46.26 | jump | hifi: ok |
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| 07:47.38 | hifi | jump: most xmms and winamp 2.x skins are compatible with audacious |
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| 07:52.36 | b_jonas | hi, |
| 07:53.29 | b_jonas | Does anyone know a way to run xfs in such a way that it accepts connections only from certain hosts or that it listens only on a given ip address? |
| 07:53.43 | b_jonas | also, xfs doesn't use inetd, right? |
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| 07:55.43 | wols | khaleel5000: no alternative except a newer version. via drivers were always shit |
| 07:55.52 | wols | fitting for the hardware |
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| 08:08.02 | khaleel5000 | wols: ok, i googled and got same conclusion :) |
| 08:08.06 | khaleel5000 | thanks |
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| 08:16.56 | dimir | unparseable or something. |
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| 08:34.10 | suwro | I've upgraded ssl, ssh regenerate the key, now when I try to ssh to server it complains about the key. How can I rewrite the key, without manual editing .ssh/known-hosts ??? |
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| 08:35.07 | henr_k | hi! I'm trying to run apache2 + ssl, but apache2 complaints on the line SSLEngine On -> "Invalid command" |
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| 08:35.36 | suwro | henr_k: sudo a2enmod ssl |
| 08:35.48 | Penix | suwro: your client system complains about the server's new key? |
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| 08:36.36 | suwro | Penix: yes - can manually edit known hosts - but I tought it can be done from ssl... the man page does not mention this, or I missed |
| 08:37.01 | henr_k | suwro: just as I typed the command, I realized that ssl.conf/ssl.load was not in my mods.enabled (I had checked this, but amazingly looked at the wrong(!) machine...) |
| 08:37.11 | Penix | why would you use something ssl related to remove a line in a file and replace it with a new one? |
| 08:37.26 | suwro | Penix: you know, due last ssl vulnerability libssl got upgraded, so the old keys are invalid |
| 08:37.42 | Penix | suwro: and that means you can't use vi or something, why? |
| 08:37.52 | Penix | suwro: just edit it. remove the old key line |
| 08:38.20 | suwro | Penix: i can use it, no problem - I tought someone know how to do this without vi. |
| 08:38.47 | suwro | Penix: If ssh put keys and read them - must be able to rewrite them too... |
| 08:38.52 | |Ryan52 | What does a packages version like "1.10+dfsg-3" mean? (the dfsg part) |
| 08:38.58 | suwro | Penix: on user request |
| 08:39.26 | Penix | suwro: known_hosts is just a list of systems you've connected to, that your client knows the keys etc. for |
| 08:39.27 | suwro | Penix: force or something.... |
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| 08:40.02 | Penix | your client's just checking the key and noticing it's different, it doesn't get more simple than removing a line in a file... |
| 08:40.06 | suwro | Penix: I know. I use ssh since long time ago - my question is simple - Is there any way to rewrite old known host keys? |
| 08:40.27 | orveldv | suwro: you could use a sed one-liner on the file :) |
| 08:40.30 | Penix | suwro: why? your 'old known host keys' may be insecure. you don't want to use any of your old keys |
| 08:40.43 | suwro | ok |
| 08:40.48 | suwro | gtg |
| 08:40.49 | suwro | bye |
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| 08:45.25 | null_tolerance | is there a way to do apt-get dist-upgrade with like a -y to all options |
| 08:45.30 | null_tolerance | or all default options |
| 08:45.34 | null_tolerance | so it's unattended |
| 08:46.17 | Penix | null_tolerance: yes. man apt-get |
| 08:46.33 | null_tolerance | Penix, thanks |
| 08:46.38 | null_tolerance | rtfm's |
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| 08:47.42 | orogor | hi here |
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| 08:48.05 | orogor | anyone can tell me why theses files are o+rw ? http://rafb.net/p/LlCfsm40.html |
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| 08:49.05 | null_tolerance | so -y was correct |
| 08:49.06 | null_tolerance | :P |
| 08:49.20 | jaggz- | do any of you have webcams? what models do you have, working in debian (I'm in etch), and how's your experience with them? I'm trying to find an inexpensive webcam because my $14 one (xeye camera) doesn't work in linux |
| 08:50.48 | null_tolerance | jaggz-, best experience is checking logitech's and compatibility which is listed on a site |
| 08:50.56 | null_tolerance | forget the name of the site offhand |
| 08:50.59 | joeyjones | orogor: it means that your files are chmoded to 666 |
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| 08:51.41 | jaggz- | I've been looking for a while but haven't yet found a list in the direction I need.. |
| 08:51.47 | orogor | jaggz-, http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
| 08:51.55 | jaggz- | like, here are drivers .. I'm sure it's here somewhere anyway.. |
| 08:51.56 | orogor | joeyjones, i understand that |
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| 08:52.23 | null_tolerance | jaggz-, http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=9 |
| 08:52.25 | null_tolerance | there |
| 08:52.30 | orogor | joeyjones, now , why is that that processes are rw for anybody , does it means anyone can modify the running process ? |
| 08:52.34 | tarzeau | Days until Lenny release (15 September 2008) 110 |
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| 08:52.38 | null_tolerance | thats a list of compatible/non-compatible linux webcams |
| 08:52.43 | jaggz- | wow.. gaim just crashed.. neat. |
| 08:52.51 | jaggz- | when I clicked oregor's link |
| 08:53.18 | jaggz- | thanks :) :) |
| 08:53.26 | null_tolerance | jaggz-, somewhere in that list you should be able to find something cheap |
| 08:53.51 | jaggz- | yeah.. I don't want the worst quality either.. :) |
| 08:54.08 | jaggz- | I got an aiptek drawing tablet a few years back |
| 08:54.10 | null_tolerance | jaggz-, then you will have to pay slight more than 15 dollars |
| 08:54.13 | null_tolerance | i would guess 30 |
| 08:54.25 | jaggz- | yeah.. there were creative cameras at the store for $25 |
| 08:54.35 | jaggz- | and logitek |
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| 08:57.03 | jaggz- | what was orogor's url? |
| 08:57.57 | orogor | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.06 | orogor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.09 | thrope | with debhelper can I put whole directories in package.install file or do I have to specify each file? If I can put directories how does it go (do I have to be careful about trailing slashes) |
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| 09:06.43 | dmilith | hi does anybody has problem with pavilion dv9000 and s2ram? |
| 09:07.02 | dmilith | after suspend usb hub throws several errors ( negative values ) |
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| 09:07.51 | melch | Hey guys. I hope you're having a good day or night.. My ethernet card is not recognized. It comes up in lspci as Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 05) |
| 09:08.15 | liable | should be supported |
| 09:08.19 | liable | !e100 |
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| 09:08.24 | liable | bleh |
| 09:08.44 | liable | modprobe e100 |
| 09:09.00 | melch | u want me to run that |
| 09:09.05 | liable | yep |
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| 09:09.17 | liable | then check dmesg |
| 09:09.29 | melch | To be fair i am using ubuntu btw |
| 09:09.48 | liable | why dont you ask for help there then? |
| 09:09.53 | Trollinator | melch: why are you here then and not in #ubuntu? |
| 09:10.03 | liable | anyway, it should work ,then you can go on your way ;) |
| 09:10.21 | melch | Isn't ubuntu based on debian? |
| 09:10.29 | melch | i mean when debian had a problem didn't ubuntu |
| 09:10.38 | Trollinator | melch: just read the topic. |
| 09:10.50 | Trollinator | Especially the "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" bit. |
| 09:10.52 | liable | melch: there are lots of differences, please dont start that argument here. |
| 09:11.07 | melch | sorry |
| 09:11.07 | jaggz- | dpkg tell jaggz- about ubuntu |
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| 09:11.21 | melch | i'll be on my way |
| 09:11.23 | wols | !tell melch about based on debian |
| 09:11.24 | liable | !tell jaggz- about selftell |
| 09:11.27 | jaggz- | dpkg tell melch about ubuntu |
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| 09:12.00 | melch | Sorry Bye guys |
| 09:12.04 | liable | np |
| 09:12.06 | jaggz- | how dare you |
| 09:12.35 | jaggz- | I'm on a 3 year old ubuntu install. <snotty tone> It didn't have the ssl key problem </snotty tone> |
| 09:12.35 | wols | jaggz-: by the power of nancy reagan! |
| 09:12.37 | melch | Jaggz shhh I use debian too on my imac so hush |
| 09:12.50 | jaggz- | but my other system's etch :) |
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| 09:13.05 | melch | lol ok |
| 09:13.07 | jaggz- | wols, heh.. what's that about? |
| 09:13.22 | wols | google "dare nacny reagan" |
| 09:13.38 | jaggz- | ohh |
| 09:14.54 | jaggz- | 3 year old debian didn't have the key prob either.. anyhooz |
| 09:15.33 | sep | is it possible to install flashblock as a .deb for all users on a server globally ? |
| 09:15.33 | melch | Wait Nacny regan is the reason I had to sit through dare programs in high school? |
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| 09:15.38 | sep | etch iceweasel |
| 09:16.02 | Guerin | melch: i got a t-shirt and kept wearing it until I was at university |
| 09:16.25 | melch | Guerin: Why did you stop? |
| 09:16.50 | Guerin | melch: too many burn marks and beer stains |
| 09:16.54 | liable | it fell to bits? |
| 09:17.03 | melch | Guerin: Good times |
| 09:17.10 | liable | stank like bong water |
| 09:17.26 | Guerin | 6.25 months to go |
| 09:17.33 | jaggz- | key problems? |
| 09:17.59 | melch | Guerin: You just start? |
| 09:18.40 | Guerin | melch: hell no, graduated nearly a decade ago. I mean 6.25 months remain of the careless DINK lifestyle - wife's pregnant, due in december. |
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| 09:18.56 | jaggz- | DINK? |
| 09:19.05 | Guerin | jaggz-: Double Income, No Kids |
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| 09:19.11 | melch | Guerin: Sorry :(. But Gratz on the baby mate! |
| 09:19.33 | jaggz- | there's a whole different depth to having a child |
| 09:19.46 | Guerin | yeah, in a few years from now I'll have someone who'll come fishing with me whenever they can |
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| 09:20.09 | liable | there only usefull once they can open the fridge and fetch the correct can (beer) |
| 09:20.16 | melch | Guerin: That pulls at the heart strings |
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| 09:21.10 | Guerin | liable: engineer a solution which makes it easy |
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| 09:21.30 | liable | Guerin: i did, it was called my mates kids |
| 09:21.33 | jaggz- | can I lease a child? |
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| 09:21.47 | jaggz- | lease to own.. see how it goes.. ? |
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| 09:21.51 | Guerin | jaggz-: I hear the terms of use are quite strongent |
| 09:21.56 | Guerin | stringent, too |
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| 09:22.01 | liable | then they started thinking i was exploiting them or something |
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| 09:23.04 | melch | That's horrible!!! Treating a kid like they're a car! They much better on fuel! |
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| 09:24.19 | jaggz- | even when they drink from your fuel canister? |
| 09:25.02 | Guerin | jaggz-: i think the terms of use explicitly precludes that |
| 09:25.40 | jaggz- | oh, I'd try to prevent it |
| 09:26.07 | jaggz- | why do they say goats go to hell? |
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| 09:26.36 | melch | jaggz-: cause they eat my cans |
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| 09:28.06 | jaggz- | and what about sheep.. |
| 09:28.10 | jaggz- | they say "sheep go to heaven" |
| 09:28.14 | jaggz- | "goats.. go to hell." |
| 09:28.30 | liable | who cares? |
| 09:28.47 | jaggz- | I do |
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| 09:30.04 | melch | He's trying to make a diffrence |
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| 09:30.35 | melch | He's going for speed |
| 09:30.47 | melch | He's all alone (all alone) is his time of need |
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| 09:31.55 | melch | Anyone cake? |
| 09:32.12 | rdd | nect |
| 09:32.17 | wols | anything debian? |
| 09:32.58 | jaggz- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0mx5ERj1eI first time I've seen the video.. I recommend listening instead of watching |
| 09:33.51 | melch | Jaggz understands the power of cake |
| 09:34.07 | melch | lol the card doesn't work with debian either |
| 09:34.08 | melch | wtf |
| 09:34.47 | melch | i hate this |
| 09:37.44 | melch | What is an eeprom corrupted? |
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| 09:41.43 | wols | something like flash memory |
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| 09:42.14 | Rockj | Anyone uses djbdns / tinydns and could help me debug why dnscache suddently stopped working? |
| 09:42.14 | melch | http://paste.ubuntu.com/15042/ <----- i got this error on ubuntu and now with a debian install |
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| 09:43.07 | Rockj | melch, looks your NIC has taken its last breath. |
| 09:43.24 | melch | Rockj: why does it work in windows? |
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| 09:44.45 | Rockj | melch, good question. I dont know. :/ |
| 09:44.58 | melch | Rockj: yay! |
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| 09:48.40 | liable | reload the module, see if it still errors, my e1000 farts occasionaly with eeprom errors |
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| 09:50.56 | melch | liable: might have a newb question, how? |
| 09:51.35 | enyc | im having a really really weird one here -- debian etch4.0 system, very basic default exim4 install -- when apache2 is stopped, the port80 sockets remain, and taken over (attached to) exim4 ! e.g. 'netstat -ltnp' will show you this.. stopping and killing exim4 then starting apache2 then starting exim4 'fixes' this |
| 09:51.38 | liable | modprobe -r, then modprobe |
| 09:51.40 | enyc | but it keeps happening |
| 09:52.44 | liable | odd, can you paste the netstat ouptut somewhere for each step? |
| 09:52.54 | petemc | enyc: thats a known bug |
| 09:52.59 | mquin | enyc: I've seen that happen before - it seems to occur when a cgi program calls exim but for some reason doesn't exit |
| 09:53.05 | melch | liable: modprobe what? e100? |
| 09:53.11 | liable | yes |
| 09:53.34 | liable | melch: if that fails, consult google with the error |
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| 09:53.52 | enyc | petemc: yay... err whah bug ;-) workaround? ;-) thanks. |
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| 09:54.15 | mitch_ | liable: so modprobe -r e100 |
| 09:54.17 | mitch_ | modprobe e100 |
| 09:54.21 | petemc | enyc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=366124 |
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| 09:55.32 | mitch_ | liable: no go |
| 09:55.34 | mitch_ | after modprobe e100 |
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| 09:57.15 | enyc | petemc: **THANKYOU** |
| 09:57.35 | enyc | petemc: I wonder if i can workaround this by installing ssmtp and making alternatives point 'sendmail' to ssmtp |
| 09:57.38 | mitch_ | What if i move where the card is |
| 09:57.54 | petemc | enyc: ssmpt isnt sendmail compatible |
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| 09:58.03 | enyc | petemc: good enough in this use ;-) |
| 09:58.28 | enyc | petemc: it just needs to send emails out with a -f sender address ... called from php |
| 09:58.29 | mquin | enyc: another approach is to have your apache logrotate script restart exim at the same time |
| 09:58.36 | petemc | enyc: it wouldnt be, anything that expects to use /usr/bin/sendmail will breakl |
| 09:59.00 | enyc | petemc: well i will need to theck that this one does |
| 09:59.07 | enyc | mquin: Thankyou for comments ! |
| 09:59.13 | enyc | petemc: Thankyou for comments / pointer ! |
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| 10:04.34 | Pete_B | the Debian installer RAID1 setup tool allows me to assign 1 disk as active and 1 disk as spare, is spare the same as missing in this case? |
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| 10:07.45 | Pete_B | I want to setup RAID1 but only have 1 of the disks at present |
| 10:11.15 | heatxsink | I keep getting this error when performing apt-get update ... W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136CW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:11.32 | wols | heatxsink: read the backports instructions again |
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| 10:11.48 | heatxsink | wols: is there a url? |
| 10:11.57 | wols | !bpo |
| 10:11.57 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 10:12.29 | stew | heatxsink: wait, why are you using sarge-backports but apt-get that is newer than sarge? |
| 10:13.02 | heatxsink | wha?huh? |
| 10:13.16 | wols | heatxsink: only etch and later apt-get has gpg support |
| 10:13.29 | wols | so you using sarge backports is wrong probably |
| 10:13.42 | heatxsink | is sarge newer than etch? |
| 10:13.44 | heatxsink | I can't remember |
| 10:13.47 | wols | no older |
| 10:14.02 | wols | heatxsink: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 10:14.03 | heatxsink | doh |
| 10:14.05 | stew | heatxsink: you are using sarge-backports, which are etch packages recompiled against sarge's libs, in order to make newer packages available to sarge. you howerver aren't running sarge |
| 10:14.54 | heatxsink | ah I'm running etch |
| 10:14.56 | heatxsink | apparently |
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| 10:15.06 | heatxsink | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:15.28 | wols | then do what the factoid said if you want backports |
| 10:15.49 | stew | heatxsink: then you should have no reason to use sarge-backports |
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| 10:20.07 | milligan | Is there any way to install debian purely off the internet? As of now, Im getting a lot of red screens, failing on file://cdrom files. |
| 10:21.35 | jaggz- | uh.. no? |
| 10:21.47 | wols | milligan: do you already have a OS loaded? |
| 10:21.54 | wols | any OS |
| 10:22.00 | milligan | the installer is loaded. |
| 10:22.06 | jaggz- | Xen? I don't know anything about Xen |
| 10:22.07 | milligan | Machine doesnt have an os. |
| 10:22.12 | wols | so what is the problem. which installer |
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| 10:22.23 | jaggz- | bad cd? |
| 10:22.25 | milligan | debian etch net install. |
| 10:22.32 | milligan | bad cd, or bad cd rom. |
| 10:22.36 | wols | and what is the error? |
| 10:22.51 | milligan | says the different .deb files on the cd are corrupt. |
| 10:22.51 | jaggz- | look at the cd.. how's it look? |
| 10:23.00 | milligan | the cd was made a week ago, so thats fine. |
| 10:23.02 | jaggz- | I got that error on a scratched up cd |
| 10:23.03 | wols | milligan: answer my question |
| 10:23.16 | milligan | wols, I did |
| 10:23.26 | jaggz- | is it a quote? |
| 10:23.32 | wols | no you did not. your debian doesn't say "the different .deb files on the cd are corrupt." |
| 10:23.38 | wols | it says something else |
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| 10:24.01 | milligan | upon trying to install the base system, it's saying the .deb files are corrupt- If you want me to quote each and every one, we'd be sitting here for quite some time |
| 10:24.14 | wols | !tell milligan about errors |
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| 10:24.25 | wols | unless you do what we ask, we cannot help you. good day |
| 10:24.58 | jaggz- | jump up and down like a pig on a manatee's back |
| 10:25.04 | jaggz- | goood |
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| 10:25.17 | jaggz- | wols, people sure do make it hard to help them don't they? I can relate. |
| 10:25.25 | milligan | "Retrieveing mount" - "Warning: file://cdrom/pool/main/u/util-linux/mount_2.12r-19etch1_i386.deb was corrupted" |
| 10:25.32 | wols | jaggz-: and you are not helping |
| 10:25.33 | jaggz- | How do you successfully ask God for help? |
| 10:26.07 | wols | milligan: go to 2nd console (alt+f2) log in and check if the CD is mounted and if you can access it |
| 10:26.42 | jaggz- | humor helps |
| 10:27.06 | milligan | it's mounted... accessing it, using ls on it, is very slow. its probably going to fail. |
| 10:27.13 | jaggz- | especially when I'm so stressed out.. I'm not just having fun for no reason :~( |
| 10:27.30 | milligan | no .. lsing it worked... but took ages. |
| 10:27.58 | wols | doesn't sound good. was this CD in the sun since last week? |
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| 10:28.10 | milligan | nah |
| 10:28.23 | wols | milligan: businesscard installer loads only bootfloppies from CD and gets the base system from internet |
| 10:28.25 | milligan | burned the image, and tucked it into my desk |
| 10:28.35 | wols | that is the most internet based install for a machine without OS |
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| 10:28.58 | jaggz- | is there a usb stick debian install? |
| 10:29.21 | petemc | !+usb install |
| 10:29.21 | dpkg | usb install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 10:30.10 | milligan | guess Ill have to get a different install media then |
| 10:30.29 | milligan | thanks |
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| 10:31.19 | jaggz- | some brands/versions of cds aren't that high quality either |
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| 10:33.27 | Pete_B | the Debian installer RAID1 setup tool allows me to assign 1 disk as 'active' and 1 disk as 'spare', is 'spare' the same as 'missing' in this case? I've already set it up this way but am worried I did it wrong |
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| 10:40.54 | heatxsink | how do I find out how much ram is installed on a box, there has to be a cli way of doing this |
| 10:41.27 | amphi | heatxsink: dmidecode will tell you |
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| 10:43.26 | stew | heatxsink: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 10:43.42 | heatxsink | sweet thanks guys |
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| 10:52.11 | ick | I started wget to download something, but then X crashed and wget is still running. How can I bring wget to the front? I didn't start it in screen or anything like that. |
| 10:53.06 | wols | if a parent crashes it takes all children with it. run pstree to look |
| 10:53.16 | wols | besides: wget will self terminate if it's done |
| 10:54.11 | Bushmills | ick: kill it, your can continue with wget -c <url> |
| 10:54.22 | ick | wget seems to start below the root. I guess it's kind of a daemon then. |
| 10:54.44 | Bushmills | check whether downloaded file is still updated |
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| 10:55.08 | Bushmills | (size/time stamp) |
| 10:55.10 | ick | You helped me more than enough. Thanks. |
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| 11:02.37 | useless_k1tty | Is it possible to create a symbolic link to http://google.com/index.html ? I've checked man page and web, but no help. |
| 11:03.53 | diveli | don't think so |
| 11:03.57 | diveli | easy to do a redirect with php though |
| 11:04.42 | useless_k1tty | diveli: I've got no experience with php. Would I have to set up some sort of server? |
| 11:05.05 | diveli | well, where would you be putting the symlink? |
| 11:05.15 | diveli | you want some sort of link on your desktop or something that takes you to google? |
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| 11:06.39 | useless_k1tty | diveli: yes, a regular file which points to a file on another network |
| 11:07.42 | useless_k1tty | for example, cat symlink would produce html output |
| 11:07.59 | diveli | ok. i don't know how to do that with a symlink |
| 11:08.12 | diveli | but i know if you ran 'curl http://google.com.au' from command line, you'll see the html output |
| 11:08.19 | diveli | but you may have to apt-get install curl first |
| 11:08.25 | diveli | sorry about the .au |
| 11:08.28 | diveli | force of habit |
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| 11:11.10 | Dewi | useless_k1tty: why do you want a symlink to a web page? |
| 11:12.16 | ick | I guess useless_k1tty wants to have the Windows concept of a bookmark on a desktop on Linux. |
| 11:12.25 | jelly | useless_k1tty: not easily, no |
| 11:12.35 | jelly | useless_k1tty: why do you want that? |
| 11:12.36 | ShredZ_ | useless_k1tty, you could run a cronjob with wget to a file and link that file... |
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| 11:13.02 | diveli | yeah when they mentioned 'cat' symlnk, i thought perhaps just wanted to see the output of the html |
| 11:13.20 | ick | How about we stop guessing? |
| 11:13.40 | useless_k1tty | Dewi: jelly: Im trying to learn ruby, and I found a book called programming ruby online |
| 11:13.40 | diveli | *shrug* |
| 11:13.52 | jelly | useless_k1tty: ok. |
| 11:14.06 | jelly | useless_k1tty: ... I fail to see the connection. :-) |
| 11:14.12 | useless_k1tty | Dewi: jelly: I was wondering if I could link to it for reading it rather than downloading it or finding the page each time |
| 11:14.15 | Dewi | useless_k1tty: is there a chapter called "inventing new types of symlinks"? |
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| 11:14.32 | jelly | useless_k1tty: it's called a "bookmark" in your "browser" |
| 11:14.33 | Dewi | useless_k1tty: bookmark it? |
| 11:14.37 | diveli | useless_k1tty: why not just bookmark it |
| 11:14.40 | diveli | snap |
| 11:14.49 | Dewi | useless_k1tty: or use one of those online bookmarky things like del.icio.us |
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| 11:14.55 | jelly | there idiots, one thought |
| 11:15.07 | Enverex | Does anyone know if Catalyst 8.5's are in Experimental? |
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| 11:16.55 | jelly | useless_k1tty: symlinks work in filesystem namespace. URLs are not normally found there. What you could do, is create a local .html file with some meta bits that would redirect you to the remote url |
| 11:17.08 | useless_k1tty | ooooh |
| 11:17.16 | useless_k1tty | jelly: Brilliant idea! |
| 11:17.28 | ick | Maybe useless_k1tty is just trolling. |
| 11:17.35 | jelly | maybe not |
| 11:18.23 | Samonoske | anyone know the apt-get for pear php db ? |
| 11:18.26 | jelly | !find /usr/share/desktop-base/debian-homepage.desktop |
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| 11:20.18 | jelly | useless_k1tty: there are .desktop files that have more functionality of a Windows shortcut and apparently can refer to an url as well, but I don't know how to use them |
| 11:20.18 | Eulex | !tell Samonoske about search |
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| 11:23.38 | jelly | useless_k1tty: try downloading this, editing and then put it in ~/Desktop/; this file is /usr/share/desktop-base/debian-homepage.desktop from lenny: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/debian-homepage.desktop |
| 11:23.59 | ick | Where did grub-install go? |
| 11:24.36 | ick | Never mind |
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| 11:28.02 | Enverex | Damn, 8.5 isn't in Experimental. What's the lag time on drivers normally? |
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| 11:28.47 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 11:28.51 | ick | Enverex: file a bug. |
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| 11:29.09 | Enverex | ick, Not sure how that's going to help as everyone knows it's out |
| 11:29.31 | ick | Enverex: it means that there are users that care about it. |
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| 11:30.05 | Enverex | The Debian bug system is a nightmare, it kinda feels like I'm using telnet on some old BBC machine or something. *sigh* |
| 11:30.16 | chandoo | boot.img i noticed there is not driver support, at least network, what is the pointing in providing boot.img and booting from usb drive |
| 11:30.24 | ick | Enverex: there is a graphical client too. |
| 11:30.39 | chandoo | the installation only make sense if i download iso files onto disk and install |
| 11:31.11 | chandoo | poor way of doing usb installation |
| 11:31.29 | Enverex | Oh great, now I can't open any apps as I'm getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server - something doesn't want me to succeed |
| 11:31.55 | ick | Enverex: proprietary drivers do that to your system. |
| 11:32.06 | Enverex | ick, That's funny as I'm currently not using any |
| 11:32.33 | Enverex | Got any more proprietary driver trolling lines queued? |
| 11:33.14 | petemc | thats a nice attitude |
| 11:33.15 | ick | Enverex: that's a different error message, never mind. |
| 11:33.22 | useless_k1tty | jelly: Those .desktop files only seem to work in gnome and kde, and are useless on the command line (tried links, elinks, lynx, w3m), so I've used redirections. |
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| 11:33.34 | jelly | useless_k1tty: yup |
| 11:33.51 | Enverex | Sure, I could use the radeonhd driver (which I currently am) which has no 2D or 3D acceleration, meaning I can't even watch videos, nevermind play games |
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| 11:34.04 | ick | Enverex: there is no point in arguing with me. |
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| 11:34.14 | jelly | useless_k1tty: if you're really interested in making files out of remote web servers, try curlftpfs |
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| 11:34.59 | ick | !xhost |
| 11:34.59 | dpkg | xhost is, like, EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about <sshx>). Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. |
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| 11:35.38 | Enverex | ick, I'm not running remotely |
| 11:35.41 | ick | Enverex: are you running the application you want as the same user that logged in to the X server? |
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| 11:35.48 | ick | Enverex: I didn't imply that. |
| 11:35.53 | useless_k1tty | jelly: ok, I'll read up on it |
| 11:35.55 | Enverex | ick, Yes and yes |
| 11:36.03 | ick | Enverex: then I don't have a clue. |
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| 11:36.54 | jod | xhost + |
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| 11:38.56 | Enverex | Gonna restart X see if that fixes it, brb |
| 11:39.09 | jelly | ick: xhost is not nearly as bad now that people run X servers on single-user machines and don't have X open for remote connections |
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| 11:40.57 | ick | jelly: what's the default? Open connections or not? |
| 11:41.22 | jelly | ick: no tcp socket |
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| 11:42.21 | Enverex | Ok, it's working again now |
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| 11:47.32 | Enverex | ick, I'm guessing it's "Wishlist"? I submitted something that was severe and that took about 8 months to get looked at so you'll see why I'm sceptical about bothering with bug reporting, heh |
| 11:49.55 | ick | Enverex: URL? |
| 11:51.25 | Enverex | ick, For the one I submitted ages ago? It'll take me as long to find again |
| 11:51.34 | Dewi | Enverex: how is a catalyst driver not proprietary? |
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| 11:52.02 | Dewi | Enverex: just because they opened some source doesn't make it non-proprietary |
| 11:52.27 | Enverex | Dewi, I didn't say it wasnt |
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| 11:52.58 | Dewi | Enverex: you did accuse somebody of trolling for using the word "proprietary" in a response to you |
| 11:52.59 | Shadur | beats the openSSL manpage for being useless. I've created a certificate with openssl genrsa, but now I want to review the parameters (country code, company et al) but I can't find the command in either the manpage or its CLI help. |
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| 11:53.41 | Enverex | Dewi, No, the trolling comment was about him blaming proprietor y drivers for breaking my system when I wasn't even using any |
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| 11:56.14 | ick | Is there any graphics driver that is well-documented and truly Open Source? Not some collection of C code with no explanation whatsoever of why some stuff needs to happen. |
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| 11:56.56 | Stiopa | hello |
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| 11:58.01 | Stiopa | err, how to start asking debhelper for help? |
| 11:58.07 | Stiopa | debhelper! |
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| 11:58.50 | sep | ick, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Graphics_Project ? |
| 11:59.36 | sep | Stiopa, try /msg dpkg help |
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| 12:00.33 | Stiopa | thanks sep |
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| 12:02.30 | Stiopa | geee, I'm too lame ;-) |
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| 12:02.39 | Stiopa | goes back to regular googling ;-) |
| 12:04.37 | jberg_ | !debootstrap |
| 12:04.37 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 12:10.40 | jberg_ | can i partition my harddisks the way i want it, use an ubuntu livecd, download bootstrap etc and install debian lenny to the partitions i want from the livecd? |
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| 12:11.50 | mitch_ | guys my card still won't work here is the errors. I tried moving it to a diffrenet slot http://paste.ubuntu.com/15042/ |
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| 12:15.19 | Netfeed | what's the easiest way to reroute traffic out from my computer too an port that im listening on at my own box? |
| 12:16.07 | petemc | without really understanding the question - iptables |
| 12:17.13 | Netfeed | im sending xml from one server to another, and id like too see that it's really the same stuff that i send that the server recives, so i would like to reroute it to a port that im listening on |
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| 12:20.18 | Stiopa | ok, lets try this way, I can see that here (http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html) are the rules how to make a deb pkg, but tell me who and how shall I consult if I made a pkg properly? |
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| 12:24.39 | wols | i there such a thing as a "makefile generator" for C/C++ programs? |
| 12:24.54 | wols | !tell Stiopa about nm-guide |
| 12:25.05 | wols | !tell Stiopa about nm |
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| 12:25.23 | Eulex | wols, well, automake generates makefiles |
| 12:25.53 | wols | Eulex: apart from that. something gui based. all that dependncy handling and such mainly. too much to type :) |
| 12:26.57 | Eulex | not that I know of |
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| 12:27.29 | wols | damn, IDEs do it too so it must be possible |
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| 12:28.20 | Stiopa | wols, ok thanks |
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| 12:29.32 | Stiopa | wols, first I will try to comply to guidelines, than we'll see :-) |
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| 12:31.05 | something | I am trying to save a Debian system with an Ubuntu live cd, but I am experiencing difficulties with mounting an lvm2 volume. |
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| 12:31.37 | dFence | yello! where do i enable my local syslogd to listen for remote syslogs as well? |
| 12:31.52 | something | I do sudo mount /dev/volumegroup/ /mnt/debianroot/, but I get mount: /dev/volumegroup is not a block device. |
| 12:32.36 | wols | Stiopa: those ARE the guidelines |
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| 12:33.12 | wols | something: use a debian CD |
| 12:33.35 | Stiopa | wols, I thought you want to me to be "New Maintainer" ;-) |
| 12:33.36 | something | wols: I have a netinstall cd. Is that enough? |
| 12:33.43 | wols | something: yes |
| 12:33.47 | wols | Stiopa: main-guide factoid |
| 12:33.52 | Enverex | ick, Apparently it's already in trunk and should be in unstable in a few days (wouldn't it be in experiemental first?) |
| 12:33.56 | Stiopa | wols, ok :-) |
| 12:34.00 | something | wols: (in that I don't need to download a gazillion things first) |
| 12:34.38 | wols | !tell something about rescue |
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| 12:35.09 | something | wols: will everything be mounted automatically or is there some set of steps I can follow (since making it all work from a terminal is not that easy (I always forget those lvm commands))? |
| 12:36.48 | something | wols: ok, it seems that it should. Thanks. |
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| 12:39.06 | include | íàðîä ïîäñêàæèòå ïëç êàêîé äèñòðèáóòèâ äåáèàíà ìíå êà÷àòü åñëè ïëàòôîðìà íà áàçå ïðîöåññîðà Intel Core Duo |
| 12:39.28 | azeem | include: please write in english |
| 12:39.36 | include | ok |
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| 12:39.52 | azeem | !ru |
| 12:39.52 | dpkg | somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:40.31 | include | pls say me which distribution of debian i must download for Intel Core Duo |
| 12:40.43 | azeem | either i386 or am64 |
| 12:40.51 | include | ok tnx |
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| 12:50.50 | Capkirk | is there a command i can run on a file to see which debian packages it belongs to? |
| 12:50.57 | petemc | dpkg -S |
| 12:50.58 | dpkg | petemc: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 12:51.06 | Capkirk | petemc: thanks |
| 12:51.08 | petemc | np |
| 12:52.11 | XTZGZoReX | 13422 ? Ss 0:00 sshd: unknown [priv] -- What does this mean? |
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| 12:52.19 | XTZGZoReX | What is an "unknown [priv]" sshd process? =X |
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| 12:55.54 | something | Will grub-install <device> overwrite the menu.lst file? |
| 12:56.12 | tralala | no |
| 12:56.15 | something | It seems that it already deleted it. |
| 12:56.38 | something | I chrooted to the debian root, but I cannot find the file. |
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| 12:57.51 | tralala | something, could we have your partition layout and details about your setup, chroot, etc? |
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| 12:58.11 | anoHito | hi guys |
| 12:58.44 | Jacob_H | could someone point me in the direction of a command to split the pages of a PS file? |
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| 12:58.45 | something | tralala: you can, but please state the commands or it will take a few minutes per information element. |
| 12:58.51 | anoHito | can anyone help me that why i cannot ban an IP in iptables ,i was trying ask in #iptables thinking there is still the middle of night ,no respond :( |
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| 12:59.56 | something | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/4391/ - fdisk -l |
| 13:00.32 | tralala | something, first of all get out of the chroot, cat /proc/partitions; mount |
| 13:00.58 | Bushmills | anoHito: most likely you can't because you gave incorrect arguments to iptables |
| 13:01.18 | anoHito | hi Bushmills ,let me show you |
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| 13:02.02 | something | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/4392/ |
| 13:02.27 | anoHito | Bushmills, please check,i added this one iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --dport 80 -j DROP |
| 13:02.29 | Bushmills | if your question is "why do i give incorrect arguments" then i'd have to guess. maybe, missed a bit in its documentation? |
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| 13:03.20 | anoHito | Bushmills, after that, one day pasted,i now check, that IP still has accessed to the page many times, says PV is 500 a day or so |
| 13:03.47 | tralala | something, the chances are that your menu.lst is in /media/_boot |
| 13:03.58 | anoHito | huh? |
| 13:04.35 | something | tralala: it is. |
| 13:04.51 | Bushmills | anoHito: look at the rule with iptable -L -n -v. has it been hit at all? |
| 13:04.57 | Bushmills | tables ... |
| 13:05.13 | tralala | something, so grub-install didn't delete it. However you have to carefully think about the parameters you're going to pass to grub-install |
| 13:05.17 | something | tralala: now I want to write that grub configuration to HDD0 in my BIOS, which I believe is hd0 or /dev/sda. |
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| 13:05.49 | anoHito | Bushmills, please wait. |
| 13:06.01 | tralala | !wayttd something |
| 13:06.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, something? |
| 13:07.04 | something | tralala: I dual-boot normally, but my MBR was overwritten without my permission. I want to restore the old configuration, so Grub is started. |
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| 13:08.24 | something | tralala: is that clear? |
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| 13:08.54 | anoHito | Bushmills, what did you mean by "has it been hit at all ? " been hit ? |
| 13:09.24 | Bushmills | means "do the number at the begin of line show anything different from 0" |
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| 13:09.33 | Bushmills | numbers ... |
| 13:09.45 | Bushmills | s key seems to tick |
| 13:09.54 | Bushmills | sssssssstick |
| 13:09.59 | something | tralala: I think I need to use the --grub-shell=FILE option. |
| 13:10.29 | something | tralala: with FILE being the menu.lst file. |
| 13:10.38 | liable | something: boot a rescue disk and reinstall it. |
| 13:11.03 | something | liable: reinstall what? |
| 13:11.11 | liable | grub to the mbr |
| 13:11.16 | tralala | something, which disk was booting grub? |
| 13:11.18 | something | liable: I am currently on an Ubunty rescue disk. |
| 13:11.37 | something | liable: I can run all the commands I can run on Debian too, I guess. |
| 13:11.38 | anoHito | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.53 | anoHito | Bushmills, they are 0 0 at the beginning though. |
| 13:11.59 | something | liable: I just want to write the configuration as described in that menu.lst file to the MBR. |
| 13:12.03 | liable | something: ok, so run grub-install /dev/foo |
| 13:12.25 | something | liable: how would grub know that I want menu.list from /media/_boot/grub? |
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| 13:12.39 | anoHito | Bushmills, pkts 0 bytes 0 DROP dpt:80 |
| 13:12.42 | something | Never mind, I will chroot to it. |
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| 13:12.52 | liable | something: it should look in that drives /boot, otherwise you might need to chroot into it first |
| 13:12.53 | Bushmills | anoHito: there you are |
| 13:13.25 | anoHito | Bushmills, in the meantime, there are numbers are different than 0 on the other rules, i understand what did you mean. |
| 13:13.36 | liable | i dont think you actually need to chroot, but whatever works |
| 13:13.39 | anoHito | Bushmills, so this rule does not work at all ? |
| 13:13.46 | tralala | something, if what I see is your permanent configuration then you need to have specify root (hd1,5) in order to take that menu.lst |
| 13:14.16 | Bushmills | anoHito: no incoming packets match the rule |
| 13:14.44 | something | tralala: I am not following you. |
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| 13:14.53 | anoHito | Bushmills, but the forum says this IP still accessed to the server today and too many. |
| 13:15.26 | Bushmills | anoHito: i repeat: no incoming packets match the rule. it is up to you to believe this or not. |
| 13:16.21 | tralala | something, grub reads menu.lst from the "root" partition (the one you specify in menu.lst). I'm not sure how can you tell this to grub-install though. Perhaps --root-directory |
| 13:16.27 | anoHito | Bushmills, the common forum system usually have a tool to tell the visitors IP and other info,so it says this IP is stil lthe most highest one accessing to the forum today and very strange, the others are only less than 30 PV for each and this one is still over 500+ today, yesterday it had 5,000 PV |
| 13:17.05 | anoHito | Bushmills, no incoming package ...hmm would you think the rule i made is incorrect ? |
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| 13:17.23 | Bushmills | anoHito: well, if you're convinced that packets match the rule, then file a bug against iptables. |
| 13:17.41 | something | tralala: I believe I have the solution now. |
| 13:17.52 | Bushmills | but you might review your rule, before you do that |
| 13:18.00 | something | tralala: somehow I have two grub directories. |
| 13:18.00 | Bushmills | want to |
| 13:18.15 | anoHito | Bushmills, it is strange :( by the way,that IP was not listed in the forum in the visitors' list, but it does access to the forum very day and too many. |
| 13:18.21 | something | tralala: one has contents from /boot from the root partition and one when /boot is mounted . |
| 13:18.26 | anoHito | ghost :( |
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| 13:20.26 | Bushmills | anoHito: final tip: drop everything from that rule, except source address and target. than work your way up, adding things again. |
| 13:20.32 | tralala | something, probably from messing around with grub-install |
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| 13:21.41 | something | tralala: grub-probe: error: /boot/grub/device.map:2: Duplicated entry found |
| 13:21.58 | anoHito | Bushmills, that is what my iptables looks like. |
| 13:22.00 | something | tralala: that's what I get when I do grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 13:22.56 | tralala | something, from what I see your boot disk seems to be sdb |
| 13:22.58 | nullie | hi... can I automatically install build deps for a source tree with debian/rules ? |
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| 13:23.40 | something | tralala: no, that's the disk containing Linux. |
| 13:24.11 | something | tralala: HDD0 in BIOS naming == sda in Linux. |
| 13:24.30 | tralala | something, try grub-install --root-directory=/media/_boot hd0 |
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| 13:25.14 | alex12 | hi guys, im trying to get terminal colours working while im logged in as root, so i can possibly also get my emacs working with colours too, any clues? |
| 13:26.46 | tralala | something, or create a grub floppy and boot debian using the floppy. Then reinstall grub. |
| 13:27.12 | something | tralala: re-running it seemed to have worked. |
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| 13:27.38 | something | tralala: I don't like it when those activities help. I like my software to be predictable. |
| 13:28.04 | Enverex | Is it me or has SpamAssassin become crap lately? I'm getting random viagra stuff through lately, I mean blatant text stuff full of all the things it should pick up on for several million points :( |
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| 13:28.18 | something | tralala: using a floppy would entail me to put the floppy drive back into the machine. |
| 13:28.54 | Bushmills | something: execution of software is predictable - only sometimes it is very difficult to do so. |
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| 13:29.03 | something | tralala: I believe the problem has been solved now. |
| 13:29.15 | something | Bushmills: it depends on what theory you use. |
| 13:29.21 | tralala | something, well done |
| 13:29.28 | Bushmills | (doesn't apply when a source of real noise affects execution) |
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| 13:30.08 | Bushmills | something: the theorie that software is executed by a CPU, and its instruction execution is predictable. |
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| 13:31.28 | something | Bushmills: I meant that executing a program X in environment Y which is meant to modify Y into Y' when run again will result in Y', not in some Z/=Y'. |
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| 13:32.30 | Bushmills | something: given all information, and taken into account, the result will be predictable |
| 13:33.42 | something | Bushmills: the prediction will be equal to executing everything by "hand". |
| 13:34.19 | something | Bushmills: having a high-level description of what a program does is more valuable. |
| 13:34.46 | Bushmills | something: that's good if the prediction is equal - it only demonstrated that it was predictable after all. |
| 13:35.26 | something | Bushmills: I meant predictable for a human being without a ton of research verification software. |
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| 13:36.06 | something | Bushmills: I believe we agree. I will reboot. Thanks tralala and Bushmills. |
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| 13:37.41 | Bushmills | i think he referred to "complexity beyond comprehension" |
| 13:37.59 | Bushmills | :) |
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| 13:45.25 | anoHito | Bushmills, still there ? |
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| 13:47.49 | anoHito | can anyone help me with an iptable problem,i just CAN not ban an IP from accessing to my server ,this sounds redicelours but it is ture :( |
| 13:48.05 | stew | anoHito: what iptables command are you using? |
| 13:48.11 | anoHito | so i have my iptables-save output to a paste site,would anyone help me to check please. |
| 13:48.22 | anoHito | stew, :( please http://ja.pastebin.ca/1030961 |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | did you ask #iptables ? |
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| 13:50.17 | anoHito | stew, i was following what Bushmills told me, i ran iptables -L -n -v, i am convinced there are 0 0 in the begining of that new liine i added,means no package is matched for that IP ,but in another hand, the forum system still tell me that IP has accessed to my server today and still is on the TOP, it has 500+ PV view, yesterday it had 5000+ . |
| 13:50.26 | stew | anoHito: i don't know what "-m tcp" is doing for you, but otherwise i don't see any problems |
| 13:50.37 | anoHito | abrotman, yes, but seems most of them are not awake yet. |
| 13:50.55 | stew | anoHito: watch that ip with tcpdump to see if it is actually still talking to you |
| 13:51.32 | anoHito | stew, i haven't used tcpdump |
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| 13:54.06 | anoHito | stew, may i know, to ban a single IP, usually just with doing ' iptables -I INPUT -s ip -j DROP' is okay ? this will ban it from accessing to any port on the target ? |
| 13:54.17 | stew | anoHito: yes |
| 13:54.21 | anoHito | and no need to specify protocoles ? |
| 13:54.25 | stew | correct |
| 13:54.50 | anoHito | so let me just do it again ,and will restart apache. |
| 13:55.02 | stew | anoHito: there is no reason to restart apache |
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| 13:56.10 | tmccrary | Can I somehow configure xinetd to use a named pipe for its logging? |
| 13:56.24 | tmccrary | I need to be able to parse xinetd's log data |
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| 13:56.32 | anoHito | stew, but sincei have this line in iptables INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
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| 13:57.11 | anoHito | stew, i guess if without restarting apache,the new rule won't be applied if that IP is established to the server . |
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| 13:59.15 | jberg_ | hm im not sure if quite understand the debootstrap process yet. i want to partition my harddrives so they have the partitions i want, then i want to use a livecd and download bootstrap and such, and then from the livecd install debian lenny to the ready partitions? |
| 13:59.24 | Honeyman | Hi all. Can anybody hint me, how can I assign a result of command execution to the variable in a makefile? Obvious `` is not a proper solution for it... |
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| 14:00.02 | stew | anoHito: no, that wouldn't matter becuase traffic would match the other rule before matching the RELATED,ESTABLISHED rule |
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| 14:00.27 | anoHito | stew, i see. |
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| 14:01.55 | anoHito | by the way, should i ban accessing to that IP form my server in advance ? i have OUTPUT ACCEPT , i am not sure if there is connecting requesting started from my server then to that IP,then iptables will think the later connectings from that IP to the server is legal and will not take any action. |
| 14:02.36 | daniel_John | If my lilo menu shows a "LinuxOld" and I upgrade from etch to lenny will I get a linuxoldold? |
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| 14:03.13 | joeyjones | anoHito: check out http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fw/ |
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| 14:03.34 | \3TATUK | Is there an easy fix for Etch's Wine+OpenGL/DirectX 'sticky key' syndrome? |
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| 14:04.26 | stew | anoHito: it doesn't matter |
| 14:04.35 | anoHito | okay. |
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| 14:05.28 | \3TATUK | nevermind i that that messing with the keyboard accessibility preferences helped |
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| 14:06.17 | Bingulim | Someone knows if is there a practical and straight way to build debian packages for a application which uses Autotools? |
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| 14:06.43 | keith4 | does anyone know why gedit would have the audio output device open? mplayer complained about not being able to open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p, and lsof reports that gedit has it open |
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| 14:08.24 | keith4 | and, indeed, when I close gedit... everything else can play sound. how odd |
| 14:09.04 | fero | hello, I downloaded a src package, is there a way to look at debian default compile options ? |
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| 14:10.04 | halflife | fero: there is a directory called debian when you extract the debian source , under that directory all the relevant files are there |
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| 14:10.40 | fero | yes but I can't se the --with- options or --prefix or similar.... |
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| 14:13.33 | buscon | hi, I've created a tar.gz archive, but I wrongly typed Ctrl+c, so I interrupted the creation |
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| 14:13.53 | dokma | hi guys |
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| 14:14.06 | dokma | what would be a good channel for openoffice questions ? |
| 14:14.09 | buscon | now I'd like to continue my archive without restarting from 0 |
| 14:14.29 | buscon | how can I continue the creation/compression of a tar.gz ? |
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| 14:15.07 | wols | redo it |
| 14:15.34 | starnix | My harddrive is at 100% capacity. Is there a command to find large files or junk that i can remove. |
| 14:15.38 | wols | buscon: -A should work |
| 14:15.46 | dokma | what would be a good channel for openoffice questions ? |
| 14:15.50 | starnix | It filled up over the 3 day weekend which is odd. :( |
| 14:15.54 | buscon | wols, it's a big directory, so i'd like to continue it - now I try with -A |
| 14:15.57 | wols | starnix: check logs |
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| 14:16.37 | starnix | Wols: is there a way i can check for large files so i can get my people working so i can investigate this further? |
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| 14:18.18 | dokma | starnix: examine du |
| 14:18.29 | dokma | it can point in the proper direction |
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| 14:19.00 | starnix | ok thank u i shall start there |
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| 14:22.56 | helo | does ecryptfs work with etch? |
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| 14:23.47 | ghatak | in regards to recent debian vulnerability in Openssl, if I upgrade openssl and libopenssl, does that affect stuff on boxes that use gpg ? |
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| 14:24.18 | ghatak | I have loads of gpg keys and tursts setup, just wondering if I will have to update them too ? |
| 14:24.31 | stew | ghatak: gpg is not affected |
| 14:24.40 | helo | gpg keys aren't affected by openssl's vuln, unless you relied on openssl for access to your machines and/or transmission of secret gpg info |
| 14:25.13 | ghatak | helo: well ssh is primary method of communitcation to those boxes, and still is |
| 14:25.14 | helo | which is likely the case, so you pretty much have to reinstall every debian machine to be 100% safe |
| 14:25.27 | ghatak | ok mate thanks |
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| 14:35.14 | Quintin | Was this SSL thing only in debian? |
| 14:35.25 | AljosHa | yup |
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| 14:37.07 | wols | Quintin: debian and distros based on it, which is quite a lot |
| 14:37.14 | PaulTT | Quintin: And Debian derrivatives |
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| 14:46.11 | ghatak | debian in itself is very very very widely used, so the impact was pretty much more than 50% of linux based systems |
| 14:46.35 | Quintin | How did this happen in debian and not upstream? |
| 14:47.30 | wols | patch in debian libssl |
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| 14:47.38 | wols | made by debian maintainer |
| 14:47.52 | ghatak | Quintin: Afaik, they fixed a bug in openssl which caused some warning for another package, the fix involved removing some lines from openssl library, that line was critical in generating random seed for keys. |
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| 14:48.13 | Quintin | ah. |
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| 14:50.08 | jberg_ | !madwifi-install |
| 14:50.08 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi-install was ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 14:51.57 | jberg_ | hmm, apt says it cant find madwifi-tools :( |
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| 14:52.59 | jberg_ | oh i only have main its probably in contrib |
| 14:53.11 | Pryon | it is in contrib, yes |
| 14:53.46 | code_ | i cannot find nvidia-kernel-2.6-24-1-686 anymore |
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| 14:54.39 | code_ | is it just apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source ? |
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| 14:54.55 | Pryon | code_: are you searching for nvidia-kernel-2.6-24-1-686 or nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-1-686? |
| 14:55.29 | Pryon | there should be a dot after the 6 (not saying it's there, but if it is...) |
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| 14:55.59 | code_ | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel, shows me just nvidia-kernel-2.6.14..... |
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| 14:57.46 | jberg_ | hm, now that i've installed madwifi-tools, do i need to set up my own /etc/network/interfaces and such? im doing this in debootstrap.. |
| 14:58.00 | Knight_Lord | What's IMAP mail client would you recommend? |
| 14:58.58 | wols | Knight_Lord: mulberry, thunedrbird, sylpheed |
| 14:59.11 | treb0r | Knight_Lord: I use claws, and really like it |
| 14:59.12 | wols | best is hands down mulberry (not in debian) |
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| 14:59.25 | stew | offlineimap |
| 14:59.30 | dondelelcaro | +mutt |
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| 14:59.35 | wols | for console mutt or pine |
| 15:00.10 | |inuxmath | how do i change the language of gtk/gnome applications running on kde? (i do believe it's not a kde-related question) |
| 15:00.18 | code_ | i tried what "/m dpkg nvidia_post_etch" told me, but got errors |
| 15:00.35 | wols | code_: then tell us what errors |
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| 15:01.34 | code_ | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1031031 |
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| 15:02.31 | wols | !info http://pastebin.ca/1031031 |
| 15:02.36 | wols | !info nvidia-kernel-common |
| 15:02.41 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 15:02.52 | wols | code_: this is what you need |
| 15:03.13 | wols | the the kernel module should install |
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| 15:03.38 | code_ | wols: nvidia-kernel-common is already the newest version |
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| 15:03.52 | wols | code_: no it's not. wrong version |
| 15:04.02 | wols | you need EXACTLY the version it requests |
| 15:04.11 | wols | from sid repos (possibly from testing) |
| 15:04.23 | code_ | wols: you right : Version: 20051028+0bpo1 |
| 15:05.02 | code_ | hot to get it ? |
| 15:05.06 | code_ | *how |
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| 15:05.39 | MarcWeber | I've upgraded debian recently and now when starting apache it results in |
| 15:05.45 | MarcWeber | "no listening sockets available, shutting down" |
| 15:05.57 | MarcWeber | Any idea what is causing it? No other app is using the http port |
| 15:06.19 | wols | MarcWeber: is this the FIRST error you get? |
| 15:06.28 | wols | code_: get it from lenny |
| 15:06.53 | wols | MarcWeber: check apache logs and your apache configs. maybe a Listen is missing |
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| 15:07.54 | MarcWeber | wols: increasing MaxClients to 25. because MaXClients must be as large as ThreadsPerChild. |
| 15:08.01 | MarcWeber | So I guess this doesn't matter |
| 15:08.06 | code_ | wols: i have lenny in sources.list, still not see that version |
| 15:08.09 | YeTr2 | MarcWeber: It means that what ever ports you have configured apache to listen on, there is another service you are running that is already using that port |
| 15:08.22 | wols | !info nvidia-kernel-common lenny |
| 15:08.24 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1-0.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 15:08.35 | wols | code_: add contrib then |
| 15:08.55 | YeTr2 | MarcWeber: you need to find out what Services you are running that are using ports that you have configured your Apache to use. |
| 15:09.02 | wols | MarcWeber: you are starting apache as root? |
| 15:09.12 | wols | MarcWeber: also as root: netstat -anp |grep 80 |
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| 15:10.41 | code_ | wols: my sources.list : http://pastebin.ca/1031038 |
| 15:11.10 | wols | 17:08 < wols> code_: add contrib then |
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| 15:11.24 | code_ | i think is there |
| 15:11.45 | lvlefisto | does flash player come with iceweasel? i don't remember i installed it |
| 15:11.55 | petemc | no it does not |
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| 15:12.27 | lvlefisto | is it a default plugin for mozilla iceweasel on apt updates? |
| 15:12.34 | petemc | no it is not |
| 15:12.38 | lvlefisto | oh |
| 15:12.42 | lvlefisto | well, thanks! |
| 15:12.47 | petemc | np |
| 15:13.07 | wols | !tell code_ about contrib |
| 15:13.36 | wols | code_: there is no contrib in your sources.list anywhere |
| 15:13.59 | verredo | hello. Who can tell me what to do to configure the horizontal scroll of a touchpad (I have a inspiron 9400 with 2.6.24.17 kernel). Only vertical scroll works :( |
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| 15:19.28 | code_ | wols: finaly, i got Version: 20051028+1-0.1, thanks for patience, now i have error : http://pastebin.ca/1031045 |
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| 15:20.39 | wols | !info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 15:21.27 | code_ | dpkg is RTFMing me |
| 15:21.27 | dpkg | code_: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:21.29 | abrotman | fail! |
| 15:22.00 | wols | code_: cheat and get nvidia-glx from sid |
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| 15:22.11 | wols | seems lenny lacks it |
| 15:22.16 | wols | just make sure it |
| 15:22.19 | wols | it's the proper version |
| 15:23.13 | Knight_Lord | wols is there a reason for mulberry not being in the debian repositories? |
| 15:23.49 | wols | revently made Free software probably |
| 15:24.11 | wols | and its UI is/was horrible. the imap support itself tho is best you can find |
| 15:24.11 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: you didn't package it? |
| 15:24.29 | lvlefisto | pfizer, cual es el tratamiento sin nicotina para dejar de fumar? |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:24.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:24.42 | lvlefisto | sorry |
| 15:24.56 | lvlefisto | wrong channel |
| 15:25.36 | Knight_Lord | abrotman i was wondering if there was any licensing problems |
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| 15:26.24 | wols | up until recently there was it being proprietary and all |
| 15:26.34 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427971 |
| 15:26.38 | abrotman | !tell Knight_Lord about wnpp |
| 15:27.06 | code_ | wols: thanks, that helped. |
| 15:27.16 | stew | Knight_Lord: its not in debian simply becuase nobody has packaged it yet. |
| 15:27.27 | Knight_Lord | Thanks |
| 15:27.59 | code_ | wols: where is some actual TFM actualy ? wiki is terribly outdated AFAIK |
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| 15:29.34 | wols | code_: lenny and nvidia never really mixed. there was no nvidia driver at all for a year or so there |
| 15:30.01 | wols | and the contrib thing was your own fault, not a debian bug. m issing nvidia-glx is tho |
| 15:30.08 | wols | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 15:30.08 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
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| 15:34.09 | Daonix | Is there any way to boot remote computer using PuTTY? |
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| 15:34.40 | robboplus | hm how do i efficently change a few chars in a file that is 1GB in size? |
| 15:34.51 | robboplus | i mean how do i open that? :) |
| 15:35.06 | wols | Daonix: reboot yes. boot not really. shutdown -r now for example |
| 15:35.16 | wols | robboplus: what language? |
| 15:35.18 | acemi | robboplus: sed |
| 15:35.20 | robboplus | .sql |
| 15:35.23 | wols | usually via fopen/fseek |
| 15:35.40 | wols | sql is not really a GP programming language... |
| 15:35.50 | wols | and certainly not suited for file manipulation |
| 15:35.50 | hoxu | wols, I think the point was, the file is .sql |
| 15:35.52 | acemi | robboplus: you can split the file with split command |
| 15:36.15 | robboplus | i'm seriously confused |
| 15:36.47 | wols | robboplus: if it's a DB, use the RDBMS to manipulate it |
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| 15:37.18 | robboplus | for some reasons i need to edit .sql instead |
| 15:37.19 | Daonix | How "x11 forwarding" -> "X display location" in putty should be written? |
| 15:37.19 | hoxu | robboplus, so you want to change a certain string to another in a file with a filename that ends with ".sql"? :) |
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| 15:37.29 | robboplus | hoxu exactly |
| 15:37.51 | robboplus | thing is that the string isn't unique |
| 15:37.56 | hoxu | robboplus, sed was suggested by acemi, so I guess it does in-place string replacement if possible |
| 15:38.02 | hoxu | robboplus, well, do you know the index then? |
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| 15:38.08 | robboplus | i don't |
| 15:38.19 | hoxu | well, we don't either |
| 15:38.29 | wols | Daonix: simply start putty with X forwarding. it has options for it |
| 15:38.36 | robboplus | isn't there a tool like hexedit for win? |
| 15:38.48 | hoxu | robboplus, maybe you should start praying an angel from the heavens will descend and hand you a note with the index |
| 15:38.53 | wols | robboplus: why can't you use the database itself? |
| 15:38.58 | robboplus | so i can just edit data on disk directly |
| 15:38.58 | humbolt | Heys guys, I have a SD Card which seems to be faulty. Is there an app with which I could check the card sector by sector for faulty blocks? |
| 15:39.11 | robboplus | ok n/m |
| 15:39.20 | Daonix | wols, you mean display-adress is not needed? |
| 15:39.22 | hoxu | robboplus, there are hex editors, yes, /msg dpkg search |
| 15:39.23 | wols | humbolt: badblocks? |
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| 15:39.51 | humbolt | wols: does this work on the device or the FS level? |
| 15:40.05 | wols | device |
| 15:40.25 | wols | another way is to use dd (would be destructive) on the device node |
| 15:40.28 | XLV | humbolt, testdisk, photorec |
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| 15:42.08 | linkslice | does this look like a valid fstab entry? |
| 15:42.10 | linkslice | /var/www2 /var/www/www2 nonerw,bind 0 2 |
| 15:42.58 | linkslice | /var/www2 is just a directory on the server |
| 15:43.00 | hoxu | linkslice, uh, just a will guess... no? |
| 15:43.14 | hoxu | *wild |
| 15:43.14 | dondelelcaro | linkslice: nothing terribly exciting about it |
| 15:43.18 | linkslice | hoxu, that's what I though too but it shows up as moutned in a df |
| 15:43.56 | hoxu | linkslice, is that a bind mount of what then? The syntax does not seem familiar to me |
| 15:43.56 | linkslice | dondelelcaro, that seems ok? |
| 15:44.25 | dondelelcaro | linkslice: yes |
| 15:44.37 | dondelelcaro | linkslice: it's a bind mount; there's not much about it. |
| 15:45.16 | linkslice | *huh* ok haven't seen them before |
| 15:45.35 | hoxu | ah darn, I missed the "bind" option there :P |
| 15:46.08 | dondelelcaro | linkslice: man mount; to learn about them |
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| 15:47.39 | humbolt | wols: and badblocks should work on an SD card? |
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| 15:49.08 | ampex2 | I have a usb hard drive attached to a remote computer that is acting a bit strangely, is there a way to remove/add the device via a command line? |
| 15:49.25 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: there's no point |
| 15:49.40 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: unless the sd card is broken, it should be detecting them on its own and remapping them. |
| 15:50.12 | humbolt | dondelelcaro: then it seems to be broken: badblocks: No medium found while trying to determine device size |
| 15:50.33 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: uh... badblocks isn't necessary. |
| 15:50.41 | humbolt | dondelelcaro: Buffer I/O and lost page errors |
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| 15:50.55 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: then get a new sd card, or try a different reader. |
| 15:51.08 | humbolt | tried 2 different readers |
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| 15:58.32 | private_meta | Hi, small question: I updated openSSH, regenerated the Keys, but is there something i have to do for openSSL as well, regenerating keys there or something? |
| 15:58.45 | private_meta | *recreating |
| 15:58.50 | dondelelcaro | private_meta: yes. |
| 15:59.00 | private_meta | how can I do that? |
| 15:59.08 | private_meta | or what do I have to do? |
| 15:59.33 | dondelelcaro | private_meta: see /topic, which would lead you to http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
| 16:00.06 | private_meta | ah sorry... didn't see the topic immediately, nicklist too long >_< |
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| 16:00.36 | zleap | hi |
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| 16:00.51 | zleap | hi |
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| 16:01.32 | adama | high |
| 16:01.51 | zleap | i seem to have a weird problem |
| 16:01.56 | zleap | using debian etch |
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| 16:02.32 | zleap | if I try and load iceweasel up, it seems to want to run wine with it, it runs this, then logs out, of the desktop and returns me to the log in screen |
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| 16:03.42 | cesar_CR_ | hello guys!!! I have lost my /boot partition en debian etch !!! I had /boot on a diferent partition how can I fix that ??? |
| 16:04.07 | cesar_CR_ | or do I have to re-install ??? |
| 16:04.18 | zleap | you should not have to reinstall |
| 16:04.22 | zleap | do you know where its mounted |
| 16:04.39 | zleap | what does df tell you |
| 16:05.02 | simonrvn | @!!! |
| 16:05.04 | ravenbird | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 16:05.20 | cesar_CR_ | I am over a Live CD right now |
| 16:05.25 | zleap | ok |
| 16:05.31 | cesar_CR_ | I'll df now |
| 16:05.35 | zleap | ok |
| 16:05.52 | zleap | that shoudl tell you what partitions you have, i am guessing /boot is fairly small |
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| 16:07.14 | cesar_CR_ | I have two small partitions but there are no boot folder on any |
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| 16:08.08 | zleap | hmm |
| 16:08.18 | zleap | what were you doing before you lost it |
| 16:08.23 | adama | df won't have the /boot if you're running a liveCD |
| 16:08.31 | zleap | ok |
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| 16:09.02 | cesar_CR_ | zleap: I've mounted all the partitions and do find / -name grub or boot but there are no /boot folder |
| 16:09.21 | cesar_CR_ | adama: correct |
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| 16:12.18 | zleap | why would iceweasel bind itself to wine, when its not even a windows app |
| 16:13.35 | zleap | back later |
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| 16:14.33 | melch | Hey guys |
| 16:15.33 | cesar_CR_ | zleap: any ideas ? can I reinstall but only the boot partition or something like that ? |
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| 16:19.18 | jelly | !test |
| 16:19.19 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:19.24 | pablo_ | hi, i want to be able to mount a pendrive as user, do i need to add me in a special group? |
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| 16:20.15 | stew | pablo_: you can install and use pmount if you are in the plugdev group |
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| 16:22.51 | hipodilski | I have setted flag to one of my packages which prevents it to update |
| 16:22.54 | hipodilski | how to remove that flag |
| 16:22.54 | hipodilski | ? |
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| 16:25.03 | hipodilski | how to remove a hold of a package |
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| 16:25.59 | Sling | hipodilski : aptitude unhold <package> |
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| 16:27.51 | hipodilski | Sling: unfortunately this didn't work |
| 16:27.55 | hipodilski | the package is still holded? |
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| 16:29.23 | Sling | try apt-get dist-upgrade <package |
| 16:29.25 | Sling | .> |
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| 16:29.40 | orzel | hello. On http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1576 it says the update should have asked for re-creating host keys. I got the right version installed (etch3), but my host keys are old, how can that be ? |
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| 16:29.57 | orzel | i did update , upgrade and even dist-upgrade |
| 16:30.08 | hipodilski | Sling: that didn't work |
| 16:30.18 | Sling | hipodilski : remove and install again? |
| 16:30.28 | Sling | otherwise something is bugged in your aptitude |
| 16:30.32 | adama | orzel: try: dpkg-reconfigure openssl-server |
| 16:30.53 | orzel | adama: openssh, ok, i try |
| 16:30.53 | adama | err openssh-server |
| 16:30.58 | orzel | :) |
| 16:30.59 | wols | orzel: how old? |
| 16:30.59 | hipodilski | Sling: ok let me check |
| 16:31.14 | orzel | wols: my host keys are from 2005 |
| 16:31.19 | orzel | before the pb, right ? |
| 16:31.20 | Sling | then they arent vulnerable |
| 16:31.29 | wols | that was from before the bug was introduced |
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| 16:31.46 | orzel | Sling: though ssh-vulnkey says some weird things it doesn't say on some other hosts |
| 16:31.48 | Sling | only before sept '06 |
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| 16:32.07 | Sling | well if its no hassle you could always renew the keys, just to be sure |
| 16:32.56 | orzel | hence my question : how could i do that ? :-) |
| 16:33.00 | ampex2 | anyone have recommendations for software for recording and saving historical performance and service information from multiple linux hosts? |
| 16:33.05 | ampex2 | nagios? should I look into something else? |
| 16:33.16 | code_ | a |
| 16:33.19 | adama | ampex2: I use hobbit |
| 16:33.21 | hipodilski | ampex2: check out munin |
| 16:33.43 | Sling | orzel : with ssh-keygen |
| 16:33.51 | orzel | Sling: as with a user ? |
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| 16:34.21 | cesar_CR_ | what is the advantage of installing debian with every important folder on a dif. partition ??? |
| 16:35.02 | Sling | orzel : http://www.debian.org/security/key-rollover/ shows how the keys should be deployed |
| 16:35.23 | Sling | cesar_CR_ : if one partition gets screwed up, you still have most of your data |
| 16:35.52 | Sling | also allows for more flexibility when you'd want to change something on your fs |
| 16:35.55 | jelly | cesar_CR_: also, a runaway process filling up a single partition cannot take up the space for another |
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| 16:36.23 | orzel | Sling: this file doesn't say how to regenerate host keys, does it ? |
| 16:36.39 | zleap | back |
| 16:36.41 | cesar_CR_ | Sling: what if the boot partition is that screwed one ?? how can I get the system back ? |
| 16:36.45 | zleap | cesar_CR_: not sure off hand, |
| 16:37.10 | crashanddie | cesar_CR_, boot from livecd, fix stuff, reboot |
| 16:37.13 | zleap | you should be able to reinstall the boot loader |
| 16:37.19 | Sling | orzel : see the openssl section on that page |
| 16:37.51 | crashanddie | cesar_CR_, to be more precise, boot on livecd, chroot into system, fix partition, reinstall kernel to boot partition, reinstall bootloader, done |
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| 16:38.10 | cesar_CR_ | zleap: I've tried but the error is that I have no /boot partition for re-create the boot loader |
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| 16:38.25 | zleap | can you create one |
| 16:38.34 | zleap | under / |
| 16:38.40 | cesar_CR_ | :( I do not know how |
| 16:38.46 | zleap | ok |
| 16:38.47 | orzel | Sling: i dont want pem keys, do I ? |
| 16:38.58 | Sling | i have no idea what you want |
| 16:39.07 | crashanddie | cesar_CR_, you should check your partitions, see if you can't just remount it, but eventually, if everything has been ruled out: mkdir /boot |
| 16:39.48 | stew | cesar_CR_: if your /boot directory is really completely gone, reinstall any linux-image packages, (aptitude reinstall packagename), then reinstall grub following instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:41.09 | zleap | to read .gz files i think you can use zcat /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz | less |
| 16:41.13 | zleap | i think anyway |
| 16:41.27 | zleap | as its a compressed text file |
| 16:41.52 | crashanddie | or just man ? |
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| 16:42.09 | justin | zleap: wouldn't zless be easier :-P |
| 16:42.20 | zleap | perhaps |
| 16:42.27 | crashanddie | man /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz works fine for me :P |
| 16:42.34 | zleap | ok cool |
| 16:42.54 | zleap | wel thats 1 new command and another use for man i have learnt |
| 16:43.33 | cesar_CR_ | ok thanks a lot I'll read :) |
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| 16:45.47 | `DoM` | hi all |
| 16:45.56 | `DoM` | on Apache/2.2.3 i see on error.log thousand request like this: "(32)Broken pipe: core_output_filter: writing data to the network" and after apache start freeze |
| 16:46.08 | `DoM` | i eceive this error when some try to load or just watch a flash video |
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| 16:46.30 | `DoM` | any ideas about ? debian is etch 32bit |
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| 16:47.00 | cesar_CR_ | stew: how can I reinstall any kernel image from a LiveCD on my host system ? |
| 16:47.07 | Meaw | hello, just upgraded to new freeradius package and then got this error , Starting FreeRADIUS daemon: freeradiusradiusd: Error: No log destination specified. |
| 16:47.15 | Meaw | when im trying to start it |
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| 16:48.07 | neoark | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080527-mccain-and-obama-tech-policy-at-cfp.html |
| 16:49.30 | stew | cesar_CR_: mount your /, chroot to it, then run all the commands from the chroot |
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| 16:49.39 | Sarah1988 | hello, I have a DELL PowerEdge 2850 with SAS/PERC5i with 2 SATA disks... one one disk I have installed linux, but the other disk says: degraded .. ready state.. it's in RAID1, wtf? how can I enable it?.. |
| 16:49.50 | stew | neoark: wrong channel |
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| 16:50.17 | Sling | Sarah1988 : if its degraded, then the second disk is either dead or unused |
| 16:50.23 | justin | Sarah1988: can you reboot the server? |
| 16:50.36 | justin | Sarah1988: if you can reboot it, the easiest thing to do is to go into the raid bios |
| 16:51.03 | neoark | stew .. |
| 16:51.04 | neoark | lol |
| 16:51.34 | stew | neoark: try #politics or #defocus |
| 16:51.46 | justin | Sarah1988: otherwise you'll probably need to install OMSA, which includes the tools you need to manage the raid stuff |
| 16:52.48 | Sarah1988 | I have rebooted the server |
| 16:52.59 | Sarah1988 | and in the bios it says: MISSING |
| 16:53.07 | Sarah1988 | but in another tab, it says READY |
| 16:53.10 | Sarah1988 | bot foreign or something |
| 16:53.40 | Sarah1988 | unused? how can I enable it correctly then? i have no really option in the bios to do that |
| 16:54.04 | justin | Sarah1988: not sure, I'd check the manual for what those status codes really mean |
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| 16:57.11 | cesar_CR_ | crashanddie: guys sorry the boot partition is in /dev/sda1 now what ?? |
| 16:57.30 | crashanddie | cesar_CR_, mount /dev/sda1 /boot ? |
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| 17:00.53 | cesar_CR_ | crashanddie: now is mounted over the ubunto livecd in /media/disk1 |
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| 17:03.40 | redeeman | hello |
| 17:04.27 | redeeman | i am attempting to debootstrap myself a debian etch, however, it complains that i cannot find scripts/etch, indeed, it is not there, etch is not in scripts/debian/etch either.. i haven't been able to find a version of debootstrap that actually has this.. anyone that can help? |
| 17:05.00 | sepski | redeeman, are you on sarge ? perhaps a debootstrap from backports |
| 17:05.20 | redeeman | no i am not on debian, but i have tried fetching debootstrap from both etch and sid |
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| 17:05.59 | Llama | hi all |
| 17:06.27 | Nyle | hmm |
| 17:06.38 | Nyle | fglrx 8.5 is broken in sid atm |
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| 17:06.47 | Nyle | something to do with missing symbols with .25 + 8.5 |
| 17:06.51 | Nyle | goddamit. |
| 17:06.58 | Llama | I'd like to let remote user use sudo depending of it's host. |
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| 17:07.01 | redeeman | sepski: i really don't understand it, but the script just isn't there |
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| 17:11.46 | redeeman | sepski: i fixed it, apparently etch scripts are only in the deb, not the source file |
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| 17:14.12 | Nyle | actually 8.4 is in sid, but 8.5 with --buildpkg Debian/unstable fails with missing symbols |
| 17:14.43 | Nyle | known bug I think, I guess i'll downgrade to .24 kernel cuz i need this 8.5, got updates that make it stop crashing |
| 17:14.45 | ampex2 | ati drivers are such sheit |
| 17:14.57 | Nyle | yeh, im paying for it everyday |
| 17:15.01 | Nyle | :( |
| 17:15.12 | ampex2 | embedded, or something you can swap out? |
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| 17:26.59 | KayJ | hi all |
| 17:27.08 | KayJ | someone broke into my debian rootserver |
| 17:27.14 | Nyle | that sucks |
| 17:27.21 | KayJ | and is causing traffic, probably warez |
| 17:27.35 | KayJ | how do i find the files and how do i stop it? |
| 17:27.53 | Vasistha | KayJ: my *GUESS* is that you'd probably be best of reinstalling |
| 17:28.00 | Vasistha | best *off |
| 17:28.07 | KayJ | oh crap |
| 17:28.15 | Nyle | once rooted, there is no guarantee |
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| 17:28.42 | Nyle | its not worth it if you are not doing forensics |
| 17:28.54 | KayJ | i would figure out if he uses the server again. i have traffic reports |
| 17:29.22 | Vasistha | KayJ: I had a buddy who found out who rooted him, and he could have taken some kind of legal action, but he dropped the ball on it :P |
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| 17:29.50 | KayJ | but how do i find the files or process? |
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| 17:30.37 | Vasistha | KayJ: but honestly -- hopefully you just don't get rooted again :) it's very difficult to find the files/processes of a rooted system, because part of the rootkit may modify /bin/ps and /bin/ls so that they hide the offending files/processes |
| 17:30.45 | Nyle | KayJ, ps auxf|less |
| 17:31.19 | Nyle | try to look at stuff in htop/htop sort by memory and see most mem usage, cpu usage, network usage, lsof to find used files |
| 17:31.25 | Nyle | umm what else |
| 17:31.31 | Nyle | brb |
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| 17:31.58 | KayJ | nyle , http://pastebin.com/md614098 |
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| 17:32.08 | Nyle | netstat -a look at established connections |
| 17:32.10 | Nyle | or something |
| 17:32.28 | Vasistha | is there a proper "debian way" to replace /etc/resolv.conf when bringing up a static interface? |
| 17:32.29 | Nyle | KayJ, unfortunately im not around atm (busy( |
| 17:32.50 | Nyle | Vasistha, not that I know of... what do you mean replace it debian way? |
| 17:32.55 | Nyle | whats going on |
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| 17:33.20 | stew | Vasistha: using a "up" line in interfaces or perhaps using the resolvconf package |
| 17:33.23 | Vasistha | Nyle: well, right now in the interfaces file I've got a cp command in an "up" option to the iface :) |
| 17:33.39 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: just use resolvconf |
| 17:33.44 | Vasistha | ahha, the resolvconf package ... thanks :) |
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| 17:33.55 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it's the easiest way, and works even when you have multiple interfaces which can define nameservers |
| 17:34.05 | Nyle | mm |
| 17:34.05 | Nyle | nice |
| 17:34.18 | dondelelcaro | (like a vpn, for example) |
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| 17:35.34 | KayJ | wtf, warez is going when youre on the receiving end... |
| 17:35.50 | KayJ | i cant find anything right now |
| 17:36.08 | Nyle | I had something like that last night |
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| 17:36.25 | Nyle | fortunately before I reinstalled I remembered I let my movies share so landlord can download |
| 17:36.37 | Nyle | good thing I rememberd, I thought I was hacked and was about to panic |
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| 17:37.13 | Nyle | jyou sure you don't have warez you are sharing ;) j/k |
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| 17:41.45 | jelly | Vasistha: resolvconf + dns-nameservers line in interfaces |
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| 17:44.10 | jelly | a coworked installed a base system, the installer put dns-nameserver in interfaces but didn't install resolvconf |
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| 17:46.22 | Vasistha | jelly: hehe, what fun :) thanks for the additional hint |
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| 17:47.33 | Nyle | !info resolvconf |
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| 17:47.37 | dpkg | resolvconf: (name server information handler), section net, is optional. Version: 1.40 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 17:48.00 | Nyle | ahh its a package then hm |
| 17:48.04 | Nyle | word |
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| 17:48.10 | Ward1983 | how can i copy the contents of a DVD that seems empty but isnt? it came from a dvd recorder i think its not closed or something |
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| 17:49.14 | Nyle | dvd with open session |
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| 17:49.33 | Nyle | I know multisession you can read while you burn more to it later, but open session im not sure if you can even read it |
| 17:49.45 | Nyle | should look it up |
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| 17:49.56 | damog | Nyle: yo, what's shaking, dude |
| 17:50.08 | Nyle | hey buddy |
| 17:50.29 | Nyle | damog, can you beleive its been a year almost since we partied! |
| 17:50.30 | Nyle | hehe |
| 17:50.37 | Nyle | i gotta come to the city again man |
| 17:50.41 | damog | heh really? nah |
| 17:50.45 | Nyle | yeh |
| 17:50.46 | jelly | Ward1983: good luck. IME, Linux since 2.6.13 has had issues with reading and writing dvds. I can read some media in Windows but not in Linux. :-| |
| 17:50.54 | Nyle | we partied in the end of april |
| 17:50.54 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:51.05 | Nyle | in 2007 |
| 17:51.17 | damog | did we? |
| 17:51.24 | Ward1983 | jelly, but are there tools to do this? |
| 17:51.24 | Nyle | yeh it was last year |
| 17:51.35 | Ward1983 | jelly, i mean TRY this :p |
| 17:51.40 | jelly | Ward1983: if it works, mount |
| 17:51.52 | Ward1983 | jelly, will try |
| 17:53.42 | damog | Nyle: i hardly doubt it dawg, i got here in september 2007 :) |
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| 17:53.50 | Nyle | really |
| 17:53.52 | Nyle | no way |
| 17:53.55 | Nyle | ohhhhh |
| 17:53.57 | Nyle | thats right |
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| 17:54.10 | Nyle | I'm thinking too far back, yeh, that was in october or nov. we did |
| 17:54.15 | damog | heh yes |
| 17:54.16 | Nyle | I was thinking etch release party :) |
| 17:54.19 | Nyle | my bad |
| 17:54.28 | Ward1983 | jelly, i cant seem to find out the right command to moutn dvds i never needed to do it in a terminal |
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| 17:54.44 | Nyle | yeh it was when you and micah and everyboy came out in brooklyn |
| 17:54.46 | Nyle | i remember |
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| 17:55.05 | Pulpie | whats the first xorg release date? |
| 17:55.08 | tigger | hi |
| 17:55.20 | ampex2 | if I know an inode number how can I find which file that inode represents in the filesystem? |
| 17:55.23 | Nyle | look at xorg history in wikipedia? |
| 17:55.24 | Nyle | maybe |
| 17:55.40 | jelly | Ward1983: the simple "mount /dev/dvd /mnt", where /dev/dvd is you dvd device, and /mnt is a mount point, should be enough |
| 17:55.45 | wols | Xorg existed beore the current incarnation |
| 17:56.25 | jelly | Ward1983: if your dvd media usually gets automounted, but this one isn't, it probably means mount won't be able to detect anything as well |
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| 17:56.55 | jelly | ampex2: not easily. find /mountpoint -inum 49152 |
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| 17:57.03 | tigger | i have a netgear wg311t driven by madwifi. The module loads successfully and i can ifconfig up the device. But when I try to connect to an Access Point with iwconfig ath0 essid default (not a secured ap), I only get "Access Point: Not Associated". |
| 17:57.12 | StucKman | hi all. today a new kernel update has arrived. I have a -xen kernel and that one didn't update. anyone knows if it will be any time soon? |
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| 17:57.37 | Nyle | damog, so how is work? |
| 17:57.46 | Nyle | damog, you develop in php right? |
| 17:57.53 | damog | Nyle: nope, perl. |
| 17:57.53 | jelly | ampex2: ... well, easily but not quickly :-) |
| 17:57.56 | Nyle | ahh |
| 17:57.57 | damog | Nyle: just fine |
| 17:58.10 | damog | kind of hot actually |
| 17:58.12 | Nyle | damog, ahh the little woman does php |
| 17:58.16 | Nyle | its been burning up lately |
| 17:58.44 | Nyle | or ajax |
| 17:59.03 | hyper__ch | hi, how would I do that with rsync: I'd like to use --include-from (I assume also subfolders are included) however I have a folder like /home/hyper which I want to include BUT I do not want to include the folder /home/hyper/temp .... how would I do that? |
| 17:59.04 | Nyle | damog, I'm used to heat from the south, but damn, this nyc sun is a killer |
| 17:59.26 | Vasistha | hyper__ch: read the man page :) |
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| 17:59.45 | Nyle | Vasistha, always helpful ;) |
| 17:59.49 | hyper__ch | Vasistha: it does not say what gets precedence over another... :( |
| 18:00.39 | Vasistha | hyper__ch: well, I was looking for an example, as I've done this before ... --include and --exclude are what you want, I guess. |
| 18:00.45 | Vasistha | hyper__ch: maybe tias :) |
| 18:01.06 | hyper__ch | Vasistha: ah, so the order defines what's being included / excluded :) thx :) |
| 18:01.15 | Vasistha | hyper__ch: uh, I don't know for certain |
| 18:01.28 | hyper__ch | Vasistha: :) I'll try |
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| 18:02.14 | Vasistha | hyper__ch: I'm inclined to think that, first it looks for the command-line entries of what to sync. Then it checks for excludes, and excludes those; then it checks for includes and includes those, overriding the excludes. That's just my guess, though |
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| 18:02.48 | hyper__ch | Vasistha: I'll try that :) |
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| 18:03.46 | Vasistha | hyper__ch: there's a dry-run option, too, which tells you what it will do without doing it |
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| 18:04.12 | haxi | Can anyone tell me why I can't downloads sources via apt-get source? my sources.list -> http://rafb.net/p/qvWaDO36.html |
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| 18:05.13 | dondelelcaro | haxi: have you run apt-get update? |
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| 18:06.02 | haxi | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
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| 18:06.14 | dondelelcaro | haxi: well, then you should be able to install source packages; what's the error message you get? |
| 18:06.59 | haxi | "E: Impossible de trouver une source de paquet pour cat" witch means "Impossible to find the src for the package cat". |
| 18:07.22 | wols | cat is no package. it's a binary |
| 18:07.34 | Nyle | spanish? |
| 18:07.37 | wols | dpkg -S /bin/cat |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | There is no record of a /bin/cat package |
| 18:07.42 | wols | it's french |
| 18:07.46 | Nyle | ah |
| 18:08.01 | wols | Hoxzer: the dpkg command I just wrote. use that to find the pacakge for it |
| 18:08.07 | \amethyst | haxi: apt-get source $(dpkg -S /bin/cat) |
| 18:08.09 | wols | textuils or such |
| 18:08.12 | AcTiVaTe | goes off to feed the cat cat food > cat |
| 18:08.15 | AcTiVaTe | ;) |
| 18:08.17 | \amethyst | haxi: to put them together and do it in one command |
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| 18:08.40 | snyder | hi |
| 18:08.53 | haxi | ohh, my bad. |
| 18:09.01 | Eulex | \amethyst, | sed "s/:.*//" |
| 18:09.20 | snyder | 'iptables -L -v' shows in 1st & 2nd column infos about the number of bytes & pkts going through the firewall chains/rules; where is this command getting those stats from? any file in /proc? I was trying to find it, but no luck... |
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| 18:09.29 | haxi | Eulex: yeah, thanks. |
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| 18:18.19 | fale | hi |
| 18:18.27 | fale | is there a way to make dpkg resolving the dependeces? |
| 18:19.19 | valdyn | fale: you can run apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install |
| 18:19.21 | wols | no. but you have apt-get |
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| 18:19.54 | tarzeau | what are some beautiful national anthems? |
| 18:20.31 | wasynyt | all national anthems are beautiful |
| 18:20.33 | wasynyt | :D |
| 18:20.43 | fale | thank you valdyn and wols |
| 18:20.50 | tarzeau | wasynyt: no, some are very boring, or sleepy |
| 18:21.03 | mimcpher | I have access to two debian mirrors. One is fast, but not nessicarily up-to-date. The other is always up to date, but slower. Is there some optimal way I can set this up? IE, if the needed packages are available on the fast mirror, look there first. |
| 18:21.13 | fale | and another little question: I have a .deb package, how can I export the control file? |
| 18:21.41 | Nyle | hey its tarzeau |
| 18:21.43 | Nyle | :) |
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| 18:22.19 | Nyle | the man with the oldschool games |
| 18:22.31 | Nyle | tried to play bub n bros but couldn't make sense of the game |
| 18:23.56 | keith80403 | To avoid most or all of the "are you sure?" type messages when updating a Debian Unstable machine, should I use "aptitude -y upgrade" instead of "aptitude -y safe-upgrade" ?? |
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| 18:24.36 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: you generally shouldn't be using -y |
| 18:25.36 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, So omit the -y flag? Or do you think manual intervention should not be bypassed when upgrading Unstable ? |
| 18:26.03 | dondelelcaro | keith80403: it shouldn't be bypassed. You should always be checking to make sure that the solutions aptitude picks are sane |
| 18:26.18 | dondelelcaro | (you may have chosen to upgrade at a time when there are no sane upgrade options) |
| 18:26.42 | keith80403 | dondelelcaro, Right, I understand that. I'll have to review the difference between "upgrade" and "safe-upgrade" too. |
| 18:27.23 | stew | keith80403: there isn't a difference, safe-upgrade is just a newer name for the same operation |
| 18:28.05 | fale | if my package depends from another one is depends, non pre-depends, isn't it? |
| 18:28.16 | keith80403 | stew, Ok, thanks for that tidbit |
| 18:28.50 | stew | fale: that question didn't make sense. |
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| 18:29.48 | haole | which is the best way to add flash support into my firefox under debian? |
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| 18:29.54 | dondelelcaro | haole: install gnash |
| 18:30.28 | haole | dondelelcaro, will i be able to watch youtube videos with gnash? |
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| 18:31.32 | dondelelcaro | haole: if you install mozilla-plugin-gnash, yes. |
| 18:32.00 | dondelelcaro | (at least, you can with the version in unstable) |
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| 18:35.10 | stew | iirc gnash 0.8.0 or better plays youtube |
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| 18:38.18 | haole | this is weird |
| 18:38.28 | haole | i don't have installed adobe's flash player, and now i installed gnash |
| 18:38.48 | haole | however, in about:plugins, i get two plugins for watching flash |
| 18:38.54 | plb1 | does anyone know an alternative to htpasswd, so I don't have to install all of apache2 to get just the utility |
| 18:38.58 | haole | libflash and libgnash |
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| 18:39.19 | haole | and when i try to see a movie in youtube, it appears to be using adobe's flash player |
| 18:39.20 | haole | im confused |
| 18:40.37 | fale | stew: lol, I hope I made the right thing ;) |
| 18:41.14 | stew | plb1: would only have to install apache2-utils, not all of apache |
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| 18:42.57 | plb1 | stew: thanks |
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| 18:43.29 | fale | ;( if I write "apt-get -f install ahs-ppc.deb" is says that there are no packages with this name ;( |
| 18:44.02 | stew | fale: is ahs-ppc.deb a package you downloaded? |
| 18:44.19 | fale | stew: no, the packages I made 2 minutes ago |
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| 18:44.31 | fale | *package |
| 18:44.33 | stew | fale: you probably want "dpkg -i ahs-ppc.deb ; apt-get -f install" then |
| 18:45.09 | fale | stew: dpkg -i ahs-ppc.deb says that the dependences are not satisfied |
| 18:45.24 | stew | fale: yes, and then "apt-get -f install" satisfies the dependencies if that is possible |
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| 18:45.34 | stew | fale: "aptitude -f install" is probably better, as well |
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| 18:45.56 | fale | stew: than is only one line? |
| 18:46.06 | stew | fale: what? |
| 18:46.06 | ma3x | how do i light up my monitor? |
| 18:46.41 | ma3x | i plugged out the adaptor and it darkened |
| 18:46.41 | Bushmills | gasoline |
| 18:46.47 | adama | ma3x: gasoline and a match |
| 18:47.22 | fale | is: line1: dpkg -i ahs-ppc.deb ; apt-get -f install or: line1: dpkg -i ahs-ppc.deb line2: apt-get -f install? |
| 18:47.26 | Eulex | ma3x, good laptops have hardware-controlled screen brightness, which you can control through keyboard combos. |
| 18:47.36 | stew | fale: either |
| 18:47.39 | Eulex | fn-up/down on dell ones |
| 18:47.47 | fale | stew: ok, thank you :) |
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| 18:48.05 | Nyle | ma3x, hopefully you didn't blow out or weaken/dim your inverter or backlight |
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| 18:48.12 | rejer | hola |
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| 18:48.33 | rejer | hola una pregunta |
| 18:48.39 | Heavy-D | hey guys... anybody know vsftpd really well? I need to figure out how to set a default directory for a user other than their home directory. Any ideas? |
| 18:48.41 | rejer | hello |
| 18:48.41 | Nyle | !es |
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| 18:49.08 | ma3x | Eulex: my keyboard combos dont work |
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| 18:49.17 | ma3x | how do i light up the brighness/contrast? |
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| 18:49.56 | ma3x | it's stupid, when i plug out the ac, the screen darkens |
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| 18:50.37 | Nyle | ahhhh MS word just crashed on me! |
| 18:50.40 | Nyle | yay |
| 18:50.41 | ma3x | Nyle: nope, it's just an acpi thing I think |
| 18:50.48 | Nyle | hopefully |
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| 18:51.02 | Bushmills | nyle, dpkg -P msword |
| 18:51.03 | Nyle | I've seen laptops, especially cheaper dell models where invertor goes very dim after a few months |
| 18:51.07 | Nyle | Bushmills, heh |
| 18:51.17 | claint | how do people name their unix programs so that they don't coincide with program names that other people wrote? |
| 18:51.37 | Nyle | like the stupidity of mount vs umount (instead of 'un'mount) |
| 18:51.57 | Nyle | maybe there was somebody who wanted to do unmount so the guy who write umount said fuck it, i'll call it umount |
| 18:52.00 | Nyle | like that? |
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| 18:53.19 | Rockos | Anoyone for a beginner question? |
| 18:53.23 | Bushmills | i suppose he had a script, named unmount, when he decided to split mount, which was able to unmount by switch, into a seperated program. he couldn't call it unmount then. |
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| 18:53.32 | claint | i don't know if that is a 'case' in example, or not. But does anyone know if aptitude handles cases where one package tries to write over the files of another package? |
| 18:53.33 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:53.41 | Nyle | Bushmills with his crazy logicals :) |
| 18:54.08 | twobitwork | wow... I have a a lot of "broken" packages... such as irssi and pidgin appearantly... and installing perl-doc wants to remove vim-gnome amongst others.. |
| 18:54.41 | Bushmills | twobitwork: those may need to be upgraded too, depending on old perl |
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| 18:55.19 | stew | claint: aptitude fails with an error in that case. if two pacakges are trying to provide the same file, they must conflict, or it is a bug |
| 18:55.23 | stew | Rockos: just ask |
| 18:55.24 | twobitwork | Bushmills: but why does it want to remove them? |
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| 18:55.37 | Bushmills | because perl-doc depends on updated perl? |
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| 18:55.51 | claint | stew : yeah i figured it should, just haven't tested it. |
| 18:55.52 | chops | twobitwork: Are you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 18:55.55 | twobitwork | shouldn't it want to update them? |
| 18:55.57 | Bushmills | so updated perl maked packages using old perl incompatible with it |
| 18:55.58 | twobitwork | chops: aptitude |
| 18:56.02 | twobitwork | !paste |
| 18:56.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:56.15 | chops | twobitwork: Can you pastebin the full output of 'aptitude install perl-doc'? |
| 18:56.54 | twobitwork | http://paste.debian.net/4415/ |
| 18:57.05 | stew | twobitwork: did NONE of the proposed resolutions want it to upgrade? or did you only look at the first? |
| 18:57.24 | twobitwork | stew: check out the paste |
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| 18:57.51 | stew | twobitwork: yeah, did you look at the other solutions? |
| 18:58.01 | twobitwork | although, tbph, I'm not using an official debian mirror... I'm using one provided internally by my employer |
| 18:58.25 | Rockos | There a new .deb for the 386 kernel, can you just install it on a rumming system? |
| 18:58.32 | Rockos | without downtime? |
| 18:58.57 | stew | Rockos: you can install a new kernel without downtime, but in order to switch to the new kernel you installed, you'd need to reboot |
| 18:59.01 | twobitwork | stew: none |
| 18:59.12 | chops | twobitwork: What about dist-upgrade? Also, you might try simply answer that Y/n/q/? prompt with "+vim-gnome" and see what happens... |
| 18:59.16 | stew | twobitwork: by "none" do you mean "yes" or "no"? |
| 18:59.34 | twobitwork | stew: none of them offer to upgrade the packages |
| 18:59.40 | twobitwork | they all want to remove |
| 18:59.47 | chops | twobitwork: Trying to cross over the perl5.8 -> perl5.10 transition without a dist-upgrade might be a bit rocky |
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| 19:00.03 | twobitwork | chops: ohh, is that what happened? |
| 19:00.11 | Rockos | ah, right, you don; need to update lilo I presume? |
| 19:00.13 | chops | twobitwork: Among other things, yes |
| 19:00.18 | twobitwork | when did perl get updated to 5.10 in testing? |
| 19:00.25 | Nyle | this is a 'anyone' question. Has anyone been able to successfully compile catalyst/fglrx 8.5 on unstable? |
| 19:00.34 | chops | twobitwork: You didn't notice the removal of libperl5.8 and the installation of libperl5.10? :-) |
| 19:00.37 | Nyle | if anyone here actually is using ati |
| 19:00.50 | stew | twobitwork: http://packages.qa.debian.org/perl |
| 19:01.06 | stew | Rockos: what does "uname -r" say, what package are you installing? |
| 19:01.20 | valdyn | Nyle: you are not getting an error message? |
| 19:01.29 | Nyle | valdyn, oh yeah |
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| 19:01.52 | Nyle | I think I read .25 kernel doesn't work well with some 8.5 libs needed to build |
| 19:01.55 | twobitwork | is there a way to install an older version of a package? :) |
| 19:02.05 | stew | twobitwork: aptitude install pacakge=version |
| 19:02.07 | Nyle | some missing symbols thing, I was hoping maybe I was doing something wrong |
| 19:02.09 | chops | twobitwork: /msg dpkg snapshots |
| 19:02.09 | twobitwork | ahh |
| 19:02.10 | twobitwork | thanks |
| 19:02.14 | Bushmills | Rockos: there is ksplice with supposedly allows to upgrade a running kernel without reboot |
| 19:02.19 | chops | twobitwork: Better to fully upgrade to testing, though, probably |
| 19:02.24 | Bushmills | Rockos: i never tried that though |
| 19:02.29 | Nyle | in fact |
| 19:02.32 | twobitwork | chops: I will.. but all I want is perl-doc! :P |
| 19:02.50 | twobitwork | dist-upgrade takes to long... I'm going to set an at job to do it tonight |
| 19:02.50 | valdyn | Nyle: i doubt this has a thing to do with libraries |
| 19:02.50 | valdyn | Nyle: but why dont you paste the actual error so we can see what it is |
| 19:02.52 | Nyle | I tried to build the sid version of fglrx 1.8-4 (catalyst 8.4) and it gives similar errors |
| 19:03.03 | Nyle | valdyn, ahh I will do so as soon as I get home ;) |
| 19:03.09 | Nyle | im at a clients right now chillin out |
| 19:03.16 | chops | twobitwork: You should hang around and watch the output of dist-upgrade and be ready to answer prompts |
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| 19:03.43 | chops | twobitwork: Upgrading unattended is a good way to leave your system unbootable/un-ssh-into-able/etc. |
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| 19:04.07 | valdyn | Bushmills: youre confused |
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| 19:04.36 | Bushmills | valdyn: ksplice - Patching live kernel without having to reboot |
| 19:04.46 | arussel | knowing the adress of a server, how can I get its public key ? |
| 19:05.03 | valdyn | Bushmills: yes, patching, for a large number of security fixes |
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| 19:05.53 | valdyn | Bushmills: upgrading the kernel will easily not be covered by that |
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| 19:06.17 | helo | anyone know why ipmasq is blocking all traffic (even locally originating pings) when i reboot my machine until i /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart? |
| 19:06.50 | valdyn | Bushmills: i.e. ksplice worked for ~90% or 80% or a similar percentage of actual individual security fixes |
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| 19:07.08 | Rockos | stew: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:07.13 | valdyn | Bushmills: but a new kernel has like 4 to 5 didgit different changes |
| 19:07.23 | twobitwork | arussel: you mean for ssh? |
| 19:07.34 | arussel | Twigathy: yes, ssl |
| 19:07.40 | twobitwork | arussel: you can ssh into it, and check ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 19:08.04 | arussel | Twigathy: I can't ssh into it. I don't have access to it |
| 19:08.13 | chops | arussel: If it's ssh you can use ssh-keyscan I believe |
| 19:08.35 | twobitwork | arussel: use 3 letters with your tab complete... this is a big channel :) |
| 19:08.46 | arussel | :-) |
| 19:08.47 | Bushmills | valdyn: well, if it works not for all patches, that's a different matter. otherwise it'd be a matter of running it against the right patch, |
| 19:09.09 | twobitwork | arussel: well... ssh should retreive the public key even if you don't successfully log in |
| 19:09.26 | chops | Bushmills: It doesn't work for patches which change kernel data structures, I believe |
| 19:09.29 | arussel | twobitwork: 2 bits works not 3 :-) |
| 19:09.55 | twobitwork | yeah... |
| 19:10.22 | DawnLight | hello. anyone dealt with the problem that it is not possible to mount ntfs in kde in etch? |
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| 19:10.34 | chops | DawnLight: Checked the BTS? |
| 19:10.57 | twobitwork | DawnLight: what's wrong with 'mount -tnfs host:/dir /mnt/pt' |
| 19:11.05 | Rockos | stew: was just wondering, itÅ a production server which can go down even for a small ammount of time |
| 19:11.06 | chops | DawnLight: If something is a bug in etch, it's highly unlikely that it will be "dealt with" in etch (rather than fixed in sid and later in lenny) |
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| 19:11.51 | DawnLight | chops: yes, i know the bug, i'm sending mails to the mailing lists debian-kde and debian-desktop. i'm trying to get this fixed in etchnahalf or at least get some hal and mount backports |
| 19:12.06 | DawnLight | twobitwork: desktop users |
| 19:12.14 | Rockos | I just don know how severe the new security issues are |
| 19:12.14 | Bushmills | Rockos: so switch to backup server, upgrade the main server. fall back to main server |
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| 19:12.33 | chops | DawnLight: Better to discuss on the bug than in #debian, then, probably... |
| 19:12.37 | valdyn | Rockos: cant you read the advisory? |
| 19:12.39 | Bushmills | if it can't go down for even a short time, you surely have a backup server |
| 19:12.51 | Rockos | Bushmills: you got more money than me ;) Just one |
| 19:12.59 | DawnLight | chops: i'm not getting responses there |
| 19:13.11 | chops | DawnLight: That does happen |
| 19:13.36 | DawnLight | chops: i am prepared to do what it takes, i just need some advice |
| 19:13.42 | chops | DawnLight: What's the bug number? |
| 19:13.53 | Bushmills | Rockos: if you so depend on it to not be down for even a short time - what will you do if something breaks? |
| 19:13.58 | DawnLight | chops: 418176 |
| 19:14.14 | Rockos | Bushmills: Move to Brasil |
| 19:14.25 | twobitwork | Rockos: ......... |
| 19:14.29 | valdyn | Rockos: those security issues might all be irrelevant to you |
| 19:14.49 | twobitwork | Rockos: you have a server that's _THAT_ important, and you don't have any fail-over? |
| 19:14.56 | chops | DawnLight: Is it feasible for you to do a simple sid backport of hal? |
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| 19:15.09 | chops | DawnLight: (/msg dpkg ssb for simple sid backport instructions) |
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| 19:15.24 | Rockos | twobitswork: choice of the client, not mine |
| 19:15.31 | valdyn | Rockos: for instance if you have no local untrusted users, all but one are irrelevant |
| 19:16.03 | valdyn | Rockos: and the remaining one is just affecting sit, which you can disable |
| 19:16.28 | dondelelcaro | Rockos: there's no way to provide serious uptime with only a single machine; you should have backups, and you should have maintenance windows. |
| 19:16.52 | dondelelcaro | Rockos: if you don't, your client is being unreasonable, and you should show them the door, or charge them more so you can put the backups in place. |
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| 19:17.47 | helo | in etch, installing systemimager-client with aptitude also installs systemimager-server, which is stupid. apt-get gets it right, only recommending systemimager-server... can i tell aptitude to not install the recommended systemimager-server? |
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| 19:18.05 | DawnLight | chops: i sometimes to ssd's but i've no understanding of apt/dpkg's insides. further, this requires too much backporting. both hal and mount and some stuff used to build those... etchnahalf will have a kernel that mounts ntfs read and write, will it not? perhaps this will change the face of the issue? |
| 19:18.13 | DawnLight | s/to/do |
| 19:18.14 | dondelelcaro | helo: aptitude install systemimager-client systemimager-server-; |
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| 19:18.40 | dondelelcaro | helo: or use -o Aptitude::With-Recommends=0; or similar |
| 19:18.47 | tralalaptop | helo, certainly. |
| 19:19.06 | dondelelcaro | (or use -R or --without-recommends) |
| 19:19.09 | grand_grunt | Got a problem with audacity: it doesn't find my mic, and only wants to use "/dev/dsp" |
| 19:19.15 | dondelelcaro | s/With-Recommends/Recommends-Important/ |
| 19:20.09 | tralalaptop | helo, or from the UI->Options menu->uncheck "Install Recommended packages automatically" |
| 19:20.10 | grand_grunt | "man audacity" isn't helpfull |
| 19:21.44 | helo | hmm... using -R causes it to also uninstall all packages it has installed in the past as recommends... |
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| 19:22.03 | helo | the systemimager-server- syntax didn't work, btw |
| 19:22.28 | helo | i guess i can reinstall the packages i want manually |
| 19:22.39 | helo | s/manually/explicitly/ |
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| 19:23.25 | grand_grunt | Does somebody know a way to set /dev/audio (seems to run) as default input for all the system? |
| 19:23.26 | chops | DawnLight: I'm not sure. But backporting the appropriate package to etch is the quickest way to get it working for you in etch. |
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| 19:25.20 | DawnLight | chops: can i request a backport in bpo? i have a will that others will be able to use their removable ntfs in etch also. this is part of a greater will that debian will be viable for non-cli users |
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| 19:27.12 | chops | DawnLight: I'm not sure if there's a formal way to request a backport; you'd have to look around to find out. If you've asked about it and not gotten a response, though, I'd say that's your answer :-). Debian generally doesn't follow the "I want X to be done and so I want Y person to do it, please" workflow. |
| 19:28.31 | dondelelcaro | generally you just mail the maintainer when the package is in testing and ask |
| 19:28.36 | Rockos | Ok, guys |
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| 19:28.57 | dondelelcaro | promising a tasty beverage to the maintainer works too |
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| 19:29.29 | Rockos | First time with debian, used to compile kernels |
| 19:29.43 | Rockos | So just wondering |
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| 19:29.46 | DawnLight | thanks, chops |
| 19:30.02 | chops | DawnLight: np |
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| 19:31.29 | Lionel_of_Marsei | going on with concert of "Gratefull Dead" at "Debian information Center" in Second Life |
| 19:31.29 | neuro_damage | what's the most secure ftp service that works with CP+? |
| 19:32.01 | neuro_damage | Lionel_of_Marsei: what? |
| 19:32.09 | neuro_damage | Lionel_of_Marsei: you're holding a concert in 2ndlife? |
| 19:32.37 | Lionel_of_Marsei | yes |
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| 19:34.56 | Rockos | Ogedei: nederlanders ;) |
| 19:35.16 | teflon07 | hello room |
| 19:35.17 | Bushmills | waar? |
| 19:35.35 | Rockos | Bishmills: lol |
| 19:35.40 | teflon07 | I'm looking for help with Azures Bit Torrent |
| 19:35.47 | teflon07 | can anyone help me? |
| 19:36.14 | Rockos | Teflon: never got it to work, kept chrasing on me |
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| 19:36.50 | teflon07 | do you use any bit torrent clients tockos? |
| 19:37.10 | teflon07 | Rockos..sorry. |
| 19:38.12 | amphi | Rockos: I find rtorrent works well, FWIW |
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| 19:42.11 | Rockos | I'm off, later! |
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| 19:49.13 | Nyle | amphi, hi |
| 19:49.26 | amphi | 'nabend, herr Nyle |
| 19:49.38 | Nyle | i have a question or two or three or four |
| 19:49.41 | Nyle | ahem |
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| 19:51.05 | Nyle | hang on brb |
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| 19:51.52 | Nyle | I local have an xserver, on which I import kdm session of another system through XDMCP |
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| 19:52.05 | Nyle | er.. I have a local xserver* |
| 19:52.21 | Nyle | amphi, is it possible somehow to get compiz-fusion to run on that? |
| 19:52.39 | Nyle | it currently runs on my :0 display, local xserver/client, but what about remote? |
| 19:53.03 | amphi | Nyle: dunno - I believe dave_largo runs compiz on thin clients |
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| 19:54.11 | amphi | Nyle: you may find some info of use on his bog, http://davelargo.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:54.13 | tornel | What command would i use to see what packages i currently have installed. What if i want to see if apache is installed for example |
| 19:54.20 | tornel | i don't want to use a gui |
| 19:55.06 | Bushmills | tornel: dpkg can do that |
| 19:55.07 | amphi | tornel: dpkg -l | grep '^ii' |
| 19:55.59 | tornel | ok thanks |
| 19:56.43 | stew | tornel: dpkg -l '*apache*' or aptitude search apache or aptitude search '~iapache' |
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| 19:58.02 | tornel | ah k. Thx again :) |
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| 20:01.53 | Ogedei | Rockos: ja.. (apologies for lateness) |
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| 20:02.34 | DawnLight | is there a way to send messages to X users if i'm root? |
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| 20:03.49 | DawnLight | some kind of window that yells at them? |
| 20:04.36 | stew | DawnLight: XAUTHORITY=/home/whomever/.Xauthority DISPLAY=:0 xmessage your message here |
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| 20:04.56 | DawnLight | stew: wow, thanks |
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| 20:17.48 | Meaw | hello, i just upgraded a package and then when i start it i got this error |
| 20:17.50 | Meaw | Starting FreeRADIUS daemon: freeradiusradiusd: Error: No log destination specified. |
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| 20:25.02 | pflanze | Anyone knows what to do if gnome-terminal starts not displaying things anymore? |
| 20:25.09 | pflanze | I think it has run out of file descriptors. |
| 20:25.24 | epoxy | Meaw, check out the radius config maybe? |
| 20:25.27 | pflanze | But gnome-terminal --disable-factory does not start a new factory. So what am I supposed to do? |
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| 20:25.44 | Bushmills | pflanze: change foreground colour to be different than background colour |
| 20:25.57 | pflanze | Bushmills: hu? |
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| 20:26.19 | Meaw | epoxy, i kept the old configuration file... i did not change it |
| 20:26.20 | Bushmills | "if gnome-terminal starts not displaying things..." |
| 20:26.24 | pflanze | Bushmills: I'm talking about a problem where it doesn't (re)display just parts of it's contents anymore. |
| 20:26.36 | Bushmills | doing with the info you give |
| 20:26.48 | pflanze | I said it ran out of fd's, probably. |
| 20:27.11 | pflanze | I've had this issue with gnome-terminal on a previous machine already, and the fd limit was the reason. |
| 20:27.16 | twobitwork | how can I tell what the server public key is on my system? |
| 20:27.19 | twobitwork | er... for ssh |
| 20:27.25 | pflanze | But then I solved it by disabling factory mode. But somehow that's just being ignored now. |
| 20:27.29 | epoxy | Meaw, and you are sure nothing has changed in versions? |
| 20:27.56 | epoxy | and log file in config exists on the filesystem? |
| 20:28.08 | Meaw | epoxy, yes |
| 20:28.18 | Meaw | just upgraded the package ..but i kept the old conf file |
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| 20:28.39 | chops | twobitwork: ssh-keyscan |
| 20:28.46 | epoxy | gr, i dont use fradius anymore, can't really help ya :-/ |
| 20:29.04 | epoxy | just seems like the answer would be in the config file |
| 20:29.19 | pflanze | actually checked with lsof and no, it did *not* run out of fd's (only 204 out of 1024 open). sigh, so it's just a bug. |
| 20:29.32 | twobitwork | chops: doesn't return anything |
| 20:29.42 | chops | twobitwork: man page |
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| 20:31.13 | twobitwork | chops: ok... I don't see anything strange in there... I did "ssh-keyscan localhost" |
| 20:31.26 | twobitwork | seems like that should work.. |
| 20:31.44 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: you almost certainly want ssh-keyscan -t rsa,dsa localhost; |
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| 20:32.31 | twobitwork | dondelelcaro: ahh... I figured it would default to listing all keys... thanks |
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| 20:36.09 | Pulpie | ugh |
| 20:36.24 | Pulpie | I forgot how to zip up, rar up, tar up any files.... |
| 20:36.36 | stew | Pulpie: man zip ; man rar ; man tar |
| 20:36.39 | Pulpie | lol i know |
| 20:36.46 | Pulpie | its just im surprised i forgot |
| 20:37.01 | twobitwork | tip: tar zcvf foo.tar.gz files... |
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| 20:39.25 | mhammerton | hey |
| 20:39.43 | treb0r | hey there. |
| 20:39.55 | mhammerton | does any oe have any experience working rsa secureid for two factor authentication in debian (ssh) |
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| 20:40.13 | treb0r | er, not me ;-) |
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| 20:46.38 | vlt | Hello. I want to create a VPN tunnel to a Debian server (already running OpenVPN). The client device supports "PPTP" and "L2TP". Which one should I use and what do I need to install on the Debian server? |
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| 20:48.21 | rabidsnail | Reading the install manual I see one place that says the installer requires 32mb and another that says 64mb. Can I get away with 32? |
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| 20:54.59 | dabreegster | Is there a way to have the debian installer rerun the portion that scans for existing OSes and adds grub lines for them? My own config doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:55.24 | wols | 64mb is minimum |
| 20:55.28 | wols | possibly 48 |
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| 20:57.10 | chicobento | jogando F-22 |
| 20:57.22 | rabidsnail | Is there some more minimal way I can install that will work with 32mb of ram. I'm on MIPS, by the way. |
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| 20:59.03 | wols | use a custom kernel |
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| 20:59.31 | wols | or install with more memory or in another machine then transplant the whole shebang |
| 20:59.47 | wols | also, mem requirement differns across platforms |
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| 21:01.10 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'm having problems with my sound on fresh installs of Ubuntu Hardy and Debian Etch/Lenny. My old install of Feisty, which I upgraded to Hardy, still has sound working. Any clues? I've debugged just about everything :-s |
| 21:01.40 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'm looking to move to Debian Etch, but, as mentioned above, I have no sound. |
| 21:01.54 | twobitwork | The_PHP_Jedi: well... we'll only support your debian installs and can't help you with ubuntu |
| 21:02.08 | twobitwork | what sound card are you using |
| 21:02.17 | The_PHP_Jedi | twobitwork, I'm on Debian right now. I'm just stating that Ubuntu's sound doesn't work as well. |
| 21:02.44 | The_PHP_Jedi | twobitwork, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 21:03.05 | twobitwork | do you have alsa installed and running? |
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| 21:03.41 | twobitwork | try /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 21:04.23 | The_PHP_Jedi | twobitwork, yes, I went through the whole checklist. |
| 21:04.48 | The_PHP_Jedi | (even #9 :P) |
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| 21:05.26 | twobitwork | thinks |
| 21:05.43 | The_PHP_Jedi | I've been debugging this for two days now... I've literally debugged everything :-| |
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| 21:06.36 | twobitwork | I honestly don't know... might have to wait for one of the smart people to stop idling |
| 21:06.42 | simonrvn | turned up the mixer volumes? |
| 21:08.07 | The_PHP_Jedi | twobitwork, hehe, alright. Thanks |
| 21:08.16 | The_PHP_Jedi | simonrvn, yeah. First thing I did (and I keep checking it) |
| 21:08.22 | chicobento | terminando os ajustes para rodar o Fifa07 e o Chassmastes 10ht usando só o wine ;) |
| 21:08.29 | lbt | hi - I want to play with xen. I see packages called linux-image-xen-vserver-686 and linux-image-xen-686 - but nowhere can I find what these packages are - which is dom0, domU etc etc |
| 21:08.37 | antgel | chicobento: english please |
| 21:08.52 | simonrvn | ok, just checking. people (including myself of course) do dumb things sometimes. |
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| 21:09.20 | simonrvn | chicobento: yeh fine. you've been crowing about it for 1 day now. please shut up. |
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| 21:09.48 | simonrvn | if it's not this about wine, it's that. *sheesh* |
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| 21:10.20 | antgel | simonrvn: i ran bash on linux! |
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| 21:10.54 | simonrvn | i bashed bash with zsh on linux 2.6! |
| 21:11.02 | chicobento | anakiabpm, simonrvn ok ;) |
| 21:11.16 | chicobento | antgel, ok :) |
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| 21:12.07 | antgel | simonrvn: i ran bash from emacs from bash on linux 2.4 with 2.6 realtime patches! |
| 21:13.08 | simonrvn | no more no more! |
| 21:13.14 | simonrvn | laughs |
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| 21:27.41 | jelly-home | I ran java with 2000 threads on 2.4 with NPTL! |
| 21:28.25 | grand_grunt | arg |
| 21:28.34 | pflanze | jelly-home: how well did it perform with garbage collection intensive tasks? |
| 21:28.43 | twobitwork | NPTL? |
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| 21:29.45 | jelly-home | pflanze: it worked :-) |
| 21:29.55 | grand_grunt | I'm driving crazy. Is there only ONE app' able to record sound from my Mic? Yes it's pluged in, yes all volumes are raised to max, yes I listen myself in headphones when I |
| 21:30.04 | grand_grunt | whistle into the mic.. any idea? |
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| 21:30.10 | jelly-home | it still does. the machine hasn't been upgraded in quite a while |
| 21:30.57 | pflanze | any recommendation for an x terminal like xterm which doesn't waste memory (i.e. you can run a separate instance for each window), and works well? |
| 21:31.27 | pflanze | While trying to configure xterm through .Xresources I'm running into problems where it's popup menu stops working, so I'm a bit wary using it. |
| 21:31.36 | jelly-home | pflanze: does it need to do utf-8? |
| 21:31.39 | pflanze | yes |
| 21:31.48 | dabreegster | Any reason a linksys router would start dropping a connection to my box? It drops bitlbee (connected to AIM) but this IRC connection stays up... and only on this PC. No changes. |
| 21:31.50 | pumpkin0 | i have 4000-6000 jobs to run (think bzip2, but purely single threaded and CPU-bound). These jobs take from 10s to 3min (no way to know in advance). The server has 8 cores. How to tell bash to run 8 at the same time? Splitting the joblist into 8 sublists does not really work, one of the sublists will always get more longer running jobs then the others. |
| 21:32.33 | jelly-home | pflanze: would you be content with a single process, that opened multple windows? |
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| 21:32.59 | pflanze | jelly-home: I'd like to avoid that. My experience with gnome-terminal leads me to avoid that. |
| 21:33.15 | Meaw | got this error after i upgraded freeradius ..Starting FreeRADIUS daemon: freeradiusradiusd: Error: No log destination specified. |
| 21:33.22 | Meaw | how can i solve it |
| 21:33.32 | pflanze | also, it's convenient to start a new x terminal from a running one and inherit the full dynamic environment. |
| 21:33.49 | jelly-home | pflanze: rxvt-unicode-lite isn't extremely bloated |
| 21:35.11 | dondelelcaro | pflanze: uxterm works fairly well, and the majority of the memory used is shared between the processes anyway |
| 21:35.12 | jelly-home | pflanze: vsz 17740 res 5272 shr 3068 <- using a bitmapped font |
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| 21:35.53 | pflanze | dondelelcaro: ok. The "anyway" part isn't true for gnome-terminal (I did measure it). |
| 21:36.38 | pflanze | not sure what you mean with "fairly well" |
| 21:36.51 | dondelelcaro | pflanze: it almost certainly is, actually; how did you measure it? |
| 21:37.40 | pflanze | dondelelcaro: I started something like 20 windows with factory, and without factory, and compared memory diagnostics in "free". |
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| 21:38.03 | pflanze | (don't ask me how I managed to start it without factory at that time, it *did* work then, but doesn't now. |
| 21:38.08 | mhammerton | hey has any used rsa secureid as two factor authentication for debian |
| 21:38.14 | pflanze | and I've always been using gnome-terminal and liked it well enough, |
| 21:38.33 | pflanze | but with those bugs I really want the best alternative) |
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| 21:40.20 | pflanze | mhammerton: is that supposed to be more resilient to software failures? (just wondering) |
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| 21:44.30 | pflanze | dondelelcaro: I see uxterm is just a modified xterm. And actually it exhibits the same bug: put UXTerm*geometry: 120x40 into .Xresources, xrdb < .Xresources, uxterm, ctl-mouseclick and all the popup menus are cribbled, |
| 21:44.41 | pflanze | only show menu title, can't select anything. |
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| 21:46.46 | jelly-home | INVISIBLE OPTION |
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| 21:48.29 | The_PHP_Jedi | ...? |
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| 21:50.25 | feydr | I'm looking for some webcam emulation for *nix... anyone know where I can get some? |
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| 21:51.17 | Debianz | hello exist an command that view all package that i've installed? |
| 21:52.04 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 21:52.04 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 21:52.05 | gnutron | Debianz: dpkg -l |
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| 21:52.25 | xsun | dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 21:52.25 | dpkg | ii |grep ^ii 3.8-12 xsun's private stamp collection |
| 21:52.28 | Debianz | ok |
| 21:52.33 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'm having problems with my sound on fresh installs of Debian Etch/Lenny + Ubuntu Hardy. My old install of Feisty, which I upgraded to Hardy, still has sound working. Any clues? I've debugged just about everything :-s |
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| 22:01.26 | kelt_ | hi... does anyone know of a way to see how many packages are being upgraded thru apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:01.32 | kelt_ | programmatically... |
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| 22:02.17 | Bushmills | kelt_: /var/log/dpkg.log, grep for what you need |
| 22:02.20 | silvertip257 | Have the archives moved? Are they down? |
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| 22:03.23 | skiter | is it possible see the modules that one program is using? |
| 22:03.54 | dondelelcaro | silvertip257: which archives? |
| 22:04.09 | silvertip257 | dondelelcaro: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 22:04.32 | dondelelcaro | silvertip257: it's still there... |
| 22:04.33 | silvertip257 | my page just times out |
| 22:04.39 | silvertip257 | must be my ISP |
| 22:05.01 | silvertip257 | worked fine a week or so ago |
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| 22:05.43 | silvertip257 | dondelelcaro: what the heck... it works now ... |
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| 22:06.41 | kelt_ | eh... Bushmills not quite for me |
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| 22:07.22 | Jemt | Greetz. Dosn't VESA support WideScreen? :-/ |
| 22:07.46 | stanis_sh | hello all |
| 22:09.23 | stanis_sh | I've got a very dumb question. My .xsession does not execute at the start. How can I investigate this problem? |
| 22:10.05 | stanis_sh | I have debian testing and yesterday I've done the latest update. |
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| 22:11.24 | g00se | stanis_sh: what happens with startx? |
| 22:12.59 | stanis_sh | hmmmm - yesterday it was updated too |
| 22:13.05 | stanis_sh | strange update really |
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| 22:14.06 | stanis_sh | yes, you're right |
| 22:14.29 | stanis_sh | there's no any "xsession" here :) |
| 22:14.41 | stanis_sh | where should I add it? |
| 22:15.09 | stanis_sh | I am not happy especially after the sweet joke with private keys |
| 22:15.17 | Lagbolt | how do the "scores" in aptitude fixes translate to something i can use to decide? is there a link talken about them? |
| 22:15.31 | amphi | stanis_sh: ~/.xsession |
| 22:15.45 | stanis_sh | amphi - I mean in startx |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | Lagbolt: i think the aptitude manual discusses them, but doesn't really give a scale of sorts |
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| 22:16.36 | Lagbolt | abrotman, yeah i found it in the doc/readme |
| 22:16.40 | Lagbolt | thanks tho |
| 22:17.48 | amphi | stanis_sh: eh? |
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| 22:18.38 | stanis_sh | amphi - I don't know where should I put the call of my .xsession |
| 22:18.51 | dabreegster | If I have an existing windows partition and want to virtualize, is kvm my best bet or qemu? My proc has support for kvm and qemu doesnt seem to be able to boot off /dev/hda1 |
| 22:19.06 | Meaw | got this error after i upgraded freeradius ..Starting FreeRADIUS daemon: freeradiusradiusd: Error: No log destination specified. |
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| 22:19.14 | Meaw | any thoughts? |
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| 22:20.25 | stanis_sh | amphi - until this upgrade I never had even to read it :) |
| 22:21.56 | stanis_sh | amphi - I see xinit and xauth here. so $HOME/.xsession should be the last line of the startx file? |
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| 22:22.45 | amphi | stanis_sh: my /usr/bin/startx has no mention of xsession in it |
| 22:23.32 | stanis_sh | amphi - and how is it started then? I have no point about X startup |
| 22:23.34 | technoid_ | meaw: i believe that can be specified on the command line |
| 22:24.06 | Meaw | technoid_, i tried /etc/init.d/freeradius start |
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| 22:24.43 | nikoz | hello |
| 22:24.55 | nikoz | I need your expertise |
| 22:25.01 | technoid_ | meaw: can you msg me the contents of /etc/init.d/freeradius? |
| 22:25.22 | nikoz | what is advantage choosing processor with 2mb cache instead of 1mb? |
| 22:25.26 | Meaw | i will paste it |
| 22:25.44 | abrotman | nikoz: ##hardware |
| 22:26.00 | nikoz | PC I want to buy is 3Gz dual core, can I run 32 or 64bit OS? which is faster 64bit? |
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| 22:26.33 | mmu_man | hmm apache or apache2 ? |
| 22:27.18 | sChaaa | night² all |
| 22:27.32 | technoid_ | mmu: a2 seems to be where the neat stuff is happening |
| 22:27.42 | stanis_sh | nikoz - you'll get a lot of problems with 64 |
| 22:27.45 | mmu_man | yeah but I mean for production ? |
| 22:28.08 | stanis_sh | nikoz - a lot of programmers forgot about 64 |
| 22:28.11 | technoid_ | mmu: i still think a2 at this point |
| 22:28.19 | mmu_man | ok thx |
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| 22:28.28 | stanis_sh | so a lot of soft will be unusable |
| 22:29.03 | mmu_man | 64 is overrated :) |
| 22:29.16 | stanis_sh | mmu_man - to increase the performance you can add nginx at the front of a2 |
| 22:29.16 | something | I started a Debian netinstall cd in "rescue" mode, but I cannot say it was really helpful. |
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| 22:30.14 | stanis_sh | can anybody tell me where should .xsession be started? :( |
| 22:30.30 | Bushmills | nikoz: 32bit compiled programs are generally even slightly faster |
| 22:30.52 | Bushmills | except when handling really big integers |
| 22:31.00 | mmu_man | stanis_sh: I don't think our volume would require it but it's good to know :) |
| 22:31.26 | stanis_sh | mmu_man - it is a hint for high-loaded servers |
| 22:31.56 | Meaw | technoid_, http://www.pastebin.ca/1031506 |
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| 22:32.03 | Meaw | here is the /etc/init.d/freeradius file |
| 22:32.50 | stanis_sh | set up xmonad and it's really neat |
| 22:34.16 | jberg | after i've done a debootstrap and installed wifi kernel modules with madwifi-tools, are there anything else i need to do before i reboot and have a working system? |
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| 22:36.02 | technoid_ | meaw: just a sec, wife just sat down dinner |
| 22:36.25 | abrotman | waits to be served |
| 22:37.32 | abrotman | Meaw: is there a config file for the freeradiusd ? does it have a logfile directive? |
| 22:37.36 | Meaw | allright .. enjoy |
| 22:37.54 | Meaw | abrotman, yes the conf file is radiusd.conf |
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| 22:38.26 | Meaw | logdir = /var/log/freeradius |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | does that directory exist? |
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| 22:39.16 | stanis_sh | Meaw ls -la /var/log/freeradius |
| 22:39.42 | Meaw | yes it's exist and contains the old logs of freeradius |
| 22:39.53 | Meaw | abrotman, it was working fine.. i just upgraded the package, and it asks me if i have to keep the current conf file.. i said yes |
| 22:40.07 | abrotman | Meaw: in etch? |
| 22:40.18 | Meaw | lenny |
| 22:40.27 | abrotman | Meaw: did you look to see if the dpkg left a 'new' conf file in the confdir ? |
| 22:41.02 | something | I have a device file /dev/volumegroup. I want to mount /dev/volumegroup/usr, but it doesn't exist... |
| 22:41.12 | Meaw | maybe this ? radiusd.conf.dpkg-dist |
| 22:41.35 | jberg | how do i set a bootable flag on a partition? |
| 22:42.05 | xand | jberg: why do you want to? |
| 22:42.22 | jberg | xand: i want to be able to boot into my system.. |
| 22:42.37 | xand | you can do it with fdisk, but if you use grub there's no need |
| 22:42.42 | jberg | oh ok |
| 22:42.46 | jberg | ill use grub then |
| 22:42.48 | jberg | thanks |
| 22:42.52 | Lagbolt | jberg, you dont need boot flag for that |
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| 22:43.01 | jberg | yep i got it |
| 22:43.11 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 22:44.01 | susanne-- | Okay so the current Ubuntu installer has an advantage over Debian's current netinst image: The partitioner will create and correctly deal with EFI partitions, for installation without OS/X and BootCamp on a Mac. Is there a way to actually accomplish this same install with the stock Debian installer, since I prefer Debian? |
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| 22:44.28 | jberg | but does anyone know what /etc/network/interfaces should look like when i have installed madwifi? i've just debootstrapped a system and installed wifi drivers with madwifi-tools, but dont know how to set up /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:44.35 | peleg | is there a way to track your total bandwidth in debian? |
| 22:45.07 | Lagbolt | jberg, you going to use wpasupplicant? |
| 22:45.14 | dondelelcaro | jberg: you just add a stanza for whatever the device is |
| 22:45.22 | susanne-- | peleg: mrtg. |
| 22:45.26 | jberg | Lagbolt: dont know what that is |
| 22:45.41 | jberg | dondelelcaro: soo ath0 inet something? |
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| 22:45.49 | susanne-- | jberg: yes. |
| 22:45.53 | jberg | ok |
| 22:45.54 | peleg | susanne--: thanks! |
| 22:46.02 | jberg | thanks |
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| 22:46.29 | Lagbolt | jberg, it is a nice tool for configuring wireless networking :) |
| 22:46.32 | susanne-- | peleg: it's not automatic, it requires setup, but it does work and even makes a pretty graph. Google is your friend. |
| 22:46.40 | jberg | Lagbolt: ah ok |
| 22:46.55 | peleg | susanne--: thanks |
| 22:47.07 | The_PHP_Jedi | I'm getting an error when trying to compile ALSA source using 'm-a a-i alsa' (module-assistant): http://slexy.org/view/s21Uw69L80 |
| 22:47.17 | jberg | i need to be able to give it a password too, so it can connect to the wireless, do i do that in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:47.47 | stanis_sh | can anybody help me out with my problem with .xsession please? |
| 22:47.58 | susanne-- | !tell stanis_sh about ask |
| 22:47.58 | stanis_sh | where should I run it? |
| 22:48.23 | stanis_sh | susanne-- it's just not starting |
| 22:48.50 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, alsa modules are included with your kernel. no need to compile them. |
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| 22:49.10 | Lagbolt | jberg, i dont think setting up wireless in interfaces is the best way to go. especially if you are going to connect to different access points. |
| 22:49.27 | susanne-- | I'm not the person to ask. But I do know you'll need to be a little more forthcoming about symptomology if you want help here. i.e., you want it to do X, but it is doing Y instead. tell us X and Y. if you need to paste long error messages use pastebin. |
| 22:50.13 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, ALSA isn't working on my fresh installs of Debian Etch, Lenny or Ubuntu Hardy |
| 22:50.19 | Lagbolt | jberg, and by that i mean putting essid and passwords in there. . . . you can use wpasupplicant to configure multiple access points as well as just connecting to any open networks. or you can use network manager if you like the gui option |
| 22:50.29 | jberg | Lagbolt: ok thanks |
| 22:50.34 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, define 'doesn't work' |
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| 22:51.42 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, I don't get any kind of sound output. |
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| 22:52.25 | Lagbolt | jberg, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 22:52.26 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, and not any error when trying to play back something, from any application? |
| 22:52.33 | jberg | cool thanks |
| 22:52.36 | Lagbolt | jberg, scroll down and look at Wpa supplicant in roaming mode |
| 22:52.47 | Lagbolt | that is nice for multi access points |
| 22:52.54 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, and your volume levels are turned up? |
| 22:52.56 | jberg | yep |
| 22:52.57 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, it just seems to be playing it. |
| 22:53.17 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, yeah, sound levels are up + unmuted. |
| 22:54.02 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, could you try playing back an mp3 with mpg321? |
| 22:54.11 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, that didn't work |
| 22:54.25 | Eulex | as in, not at all, or you get no sound and it appears to be playing? |
| 22:54.36 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, it says it's playing, but I get no audio |
| 22:54.39 | technoid_ | meaw: still having problems? |
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| 22:54.50 | jberg | btw, this is going to be a completely new system, is it necessary to chroot then? |
| 22:54.58 | The_PHP_Jedi | When trying "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" it returns "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" |
| 22:55.01 | Meaw | no thanks, abrotman told me already |
| 22:55.06 | Meaw | dpkg created a conf file |
| 22:55.06 | dpkg | Meaw: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:55.06 | jberg | i mean, i dont want to keep the old |
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| 22:55.26 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, there's probably some application using it, try lsof|grep /dev/dsp |
| 22:55.37 | technoid_ | meaw: okay, just wanted to make sure you got fixed |
| 22:55.46 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, it returns 'esd' |
| 22:55.58 | Meaw | thanks buddy |
| 22:56.02 | technoid_ | np |
| 22:56.53 | Lagbolt | jberg, what do you mean? i dont know what you are doing . . . just that you wanted wireless lol |
| 22:56.53 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, running gnome? go into the audio settings, disable the esound daemon |
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| 22:56.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, after killing esd, I still get no audio, but no messages when piping urandom into /dev/dsp |
| 22:57.11 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, ok. what audio card have you got? what kernels have you tried? |
| 22:57.18 | jberg | Lagbolt: hehe. well i want this to be the only system, not a virtual debian install or just running on a host system.. so do i need to use chroot then? |
| 22:57.26 | Eulex | have you consulted alsa-project.org regarding the sound card? |
| 22:57.39 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, yes. |
| 22:57.54 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, I've got an Intel ICH6 -- 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03). I've attempted kernels 2.6.18 (current), 2.6.22, 2.6.24 |
| 22:57.57 | Lagbolt | jberg, are you trying to install a new system using the old system on the same drive? |
| 22:58.27 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, weird |
| 22:58.46 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, yeah... I've been debugging it for the last three days :-s |
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| 22:58.54 | The_PHP_Jedi | I swear I've tried everything |
| 22:58.55 | jberg | Lagbolt: uhm no. just a new system, not using the old |
| 22:58.57 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, when cat:ing stuff to /dev/dsp, do you have oss emulation kernel modules loaded? |
| 22:59.27 | Lagbolt | jberg, so you debootstrapped? |
| 22:59.28 | Eulex | snd_pcm_oss would be the relevant one in this case |
| 22:59.31 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, how did I check if I have those modules loaded again? |
| 22:59.35 | The_PHP_Jedi | do* |
| 22:59.36 | Eulex | lsmod |
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| 22:59.59 | ma3x | is it possible to adjust the screen brightness using a command instead of fn + f8/f9 ? |
| 23:00.07 | Lagbolt | jberg, not sure if there are other ways to do it . .. but when i did mine i chrooted to it so i could install things i needed to boot like grub and a kernel :) |
| 23:00.09 | ma3x | my laptop doesn't support those key combinations in linux |
| 23:00.13 | jberg | Lagbolt: yes because d-i cant install my network card, but the ubuntu livecd can. so i needed to use debootstrap in order to download madwifi-tools so the wireless is working |
| 23:00.14 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, oh, and another thing you might want to try: messing with switches in alsamixer. some cards have switches that can only be on and off. |
| 23:00.17 | ma3x | and please tell me what package should i install to make them work |
| 23:00.24 | jberg | Lagbolt: yeah ill just chroot |
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| 23:00.41 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, 'snd_pcm_oss 38368 0' and 'snd' has 'snd_pcm_oss' in the list. |
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| 23:01.17 | Eulex | ma3x, what laptop and what graphics card? setting the backlight level is highly hardware specific... |
| 23:01.17 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, what switches? :-\ |
| 23:01.22 | dvs | The_PHP_Jedi: Those are specific to your sound card |
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| 23:01.35 | dvs | art NOT |
| 23:01.49 | dvs | has got to take typing lessons |
| 23:01.53 | ma3x | Eulex: gma x3100 fujitsu-siemens |
| 23:01.56 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, try scrolling to the right, there might be some that have no volume but can just be muted and unmuted |
| 23:02.09 | Eulex | ma3x, is that an ati? |
| 23:02.14 | Eulex | oh wait, it's not |
| 23:02.24 | ma3x | Eulex: intel |
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| 23:03.22 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, well, I'll be darned. muting and unmuting everything worked |
| 23:03.39 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 23:03.42 | The_PHP_Jedi | tries to stop cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp before static makes him go crazy |
| 23:03.51 | stanis_sh | :))))) |
| 23:03.57 | The_PHP_Jedi | haha, this makes me so happy :D |
| 23:04.07 | stanis_sh | nice way to compose music heh |
| 23:04.08 | Eulex | ma3x, might want to try http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.maint.x/browse_thread/thread/0347ec1b0fd695f6 |
| 23:04.11 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, :D |
| 23:04.24 | The_PHP_Jedi | hugs Eulex. Thanks! Three days struggling and it was something so simple! :D |
| 23:04.39 | Eulex | yw, yw :) |
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| 23:06.43 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, hmm, so you just muted and unmuted everything? no specific switch that 'did it'? |
| 23:07.01 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, testing now which one did it (if it can be reversed) |
| 23:07.32 | scorche|sh | bops The_PHP_Jedi on the head |
| 23:07.44 | The_PHP_Jedi | pokes scorche|sh back :) |
| 23:07.55 | ma3x_ | Eulex: for some reason when i plug out the AC adaptor off my laptop, the screen brightness gets reduced. how do i disable that? |
| 23:08.17 | The_PHP_Jedi | Eulex, it was the 'surround' volume levels... |
| 23:08.26 | Eulex | ma3x, I have no idea. |
| 23:08.39 | The_PHP_Jedi | fails to see how a two speaker system connected through one mini-plug is a surround output |
| 23:08.58 | technoid_ | ma3x: that may be in the bios |
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| 23:09.21 | Eulex | ma3x, but my laptops have two separate brightness levels: one for when they're on ac, and one for when they're on battery. the one that is currently active is the one that I can modify. |
| 23:09.39 | Eulex | The_PHP_Jedi, ok |
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| 23:11.35 | Eulex | ma3x, and yeah, on mine I can control the brightness levels in the bios too |
| 23:12.20 | micols | my laptop has vga out, how do i easily set it up for dual output? |
| 23:12.25 | micols | hoped someone had an xorg config for that setup |
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| 23:13.37 | yporti | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 23:14.24 | susanne-- | is there a way to get unzip to process multiple files at once? i'm getting filename not matched: $filename ... when I do unzip -t *.zip ... tho it's obviously finding the files. |
| 23:14.35 | pflanze | jelly-home: can you hint me at how to set a bigger font size with rxvt-unicode-lite ? I'm on a recent laptop with 1440x1000 or some such resolution. |
| 23:14.37 | abrotman | not all systems can do dual output .. but sometimes you can use the firmwarew button |
| 23:14.38 | dondelelcaro | susanne--: for a in *.zip; do unzip $a; done; |
| 23:14.45 | technoid_ | ls *.zip | xargs -n1 unzip |
| 23:15.06 | dvs | pflanze: 1440x900 usually |
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| 23:16.24 | jberg | if i wanted to partition a raid 1 from two disks, what is the easiest commandline tool to do it? |
| 23:16.28 | susanne-- | ty. (seems silly. flac can do this, why not zip? grrr) |
| 23:17.02 | susanne-- | jberg: google lvm raid 1 on debian. good instructions. note don't try to use usb drives to do this. |
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| 23:17.19 | jberg | susanne--: ok. but why lvm? |
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| 23:18.15 | susanne-- | jberg: because it will manage the mirror for you. at least that's my memory of it. i.e., you'll have two mirrored drives, but they'll appear as one drive to mount when you're finished setting it up. |
| 23:18.36 | jberg | susanne--: uh, isnt that what raid 1 does? |
| 23:18.50 | Lagbolt | jberg, there are some howto's on setting up raid1 with debian using mdadm |
| 23:19.02 | jberg | Lagbolt: okay |
| 23:19.12 | susanne-- | jberg: oh maybe it's mdadm i'm thinking of. it's been a while since i've done it. as i said, google. |
| 23:19.20 | susanne-- | it's not hard |
| 23:19.25 | susanne-- | i just haven't done it in a long time |
| 23:19.27 | jberg | yepyep |
| 23:19.29 | jberg | thanks |
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| 23:20.31 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I determine the pop3 server of a given IP address whose domain is not really assigned? (e.g: lala@realicosatelital.com but www.realicosatelital.com is placed no nothing ) |
| 23:20.35 | Lagbolt | jberg, http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
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| 23:21.03 | jberg | thanks |
| 23:21.31 | jberg | one last thing :) after the debootstrap process, are there only one kernel-image package i need to download or many? |
| 23:21.37 | jberg | image, heaeders, modules etc..? |
| 23:21.41 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: no way. there is no requirement to have pop3 servers at all, nor on what address, nor how the host will be called. |
| 23:21.49 | Lagbolt | jberg, that was google search for "debian raid mirror etch" you might try to look there a bit before asking in here. it helps to look online for a while. you will learn more things than you started out looking for |
| 23:22.00 | susanne-- | you only need one. just make sure you pick the correct one. |
| 23:22.07 | abrotman | jberg: apt-cache search linux-image .. pick the one for your CPU ... something like linux-image-686 |
| 23:22.10 | Lagbolt | jberg, then when you think you have what you want you can ask around in here. if we do the searching for you then you dont learn much |
| 23:22.27 | jberg | yes okay, will do |
| 23:22.51 | susanne-- | you will also find that you will get more help if we can see by your question that you've done some searching. i.e., i tried X and it did Y, but what I want is Z |
| 23:23.07 | susanne-- | at www.catb.org you can find a howto on how to ask smart questions. it's helpful. |
| 23:23.19 | jberg | mm. im just busy reading debootstrap howtos now :) |
| 23:23.30 | jberg | but ill shut up and just try it now |
| 23:23.32 | jberg | thanks |
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| 23:25.10 | _ZeuZ_ | Bushmills, Then, if I would be to cause a DoS how could I do it? |
| 23:25.55 | Seb | firefox sometimes refuses to open jpeg images for me |
| 23:26.00 | Seb | it proposes I use gimp instead |
| 23:26.10 | abrotman | jpeg or jpg ? |
| 23:26.13 | Seb | i don't see anything wrong with the image itself, so i'm not sure what I should try |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | or both ? |
| 23:26.25 | Seb | abrotman: file says "JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01" |
| 23:26.30 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: look up whose ip adress that is, write to them and ask kindly for permission to DoS them. and whether they would please give you their pop address to DoS |
| 23:26.32 | amphi | Seb: incorrect header info perhaps |
| 23:26.44 | Seb | amphi: you mean on the link itself ? |
| 23:26.51 | abrotman | Bushmills: not funny |
| 23:26.59 | amphi | Seb: returned by the server |
| 23:27.32 | Seb | amphi: hrm |
| 23:27.43 | _ZeuZ_ | Bushmills, I can;t risk to send a rebote mail, nor something like that... Well, perhaps some social enginiering, it's pentesting undercovered (paid by one admin and not told to another, well I'm not a pro, but I agreed to test ) |
| 23:27.45 | Seb | amphi: no handy ff extension to deal with that ? :) |
| 23:28.05 | amphi | dunno |
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| 23:28.20 | amphi | you could use w3m or whatever to see the header |
| 23:28.27 | Seb | amphi: true |
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| 23:29.16 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: i'd suggest to sign the mail with your GPG key so they can be assured of your sincerity |
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| 23:30.36 | _ZeuZ_ | Good idea, but the only admin that has an account on that server is the one that haven't got to notice it... perhaps end it to one client dissguised as some advetisment |
| 23:31.21 | abrotman | loans Bushmills the decoder ring |
| 23:31.26 | ma3x | how do i disable the darkening of my lcd when i run on batteries? |
| 23:31.37 | abrotman | ma3x: that's an acpi funtion |
| 23:31.53 | ma3x | abrotman: but i disabled/removed acpi |
| 23:32.04 | abrotman | then it's a bios thing perhaps |
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| 23:32.25 | ma3x | abrotman: why my fn+hotkeys won't work? what package should i install for it? |
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| 23:32.29 | abrotman | set everything to low brightness |
| 23:32.35 | abrotman | ma3x: they don't work on all laptops |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:32.37 | dpkg | i guess laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 23:33.31 | pablo | hi, why cant i install mplayer with no gui on debian? |
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| 23:34.16 | benjamindees | pablo, debian hates things that are awesome |
| 23:34.29 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Debian sarge box, added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" to sources.list and a new "99custom" file on apt.conf.d with APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; and APT::default-release="stable". Still, apt-get upgrade wants to update everything. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:34.39 | pablo | benjamindees: :P, i see, |
| 23:34.52 | pablo | benjamindees: what did you do? |
| 23:35.12 | ma3x | abrotman: there are far too many new laptops. that database doesn't contain the new models like fujitsu-siemens esprimo |
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| 23:35.16 | benjamindees | !tell pablo about debian-multimedia |
| 23:35.21 | rafael____ | Benjamin Kampmann?? |
| 23:35.23 | benjamindees | pablo, have you looked there? |
| 23:35.44 | abrotman | ma3x: it doesn't mean it can't give you ideas for similar laptops .. |
| 23:35.47 | susanne-- | Okay so the current Ubuntu installer has an advantage over Debian's current netinst image: The partitioner will create and correctly deal with EFI partitions, for installation without OS/X and BootCamp on a Mac. Is there a way to actually accomplish this same install with the stock Debian installer, since I prefer Debian? |
| 23:35.55 | pablo | benjamindees: yes, but i think it includes non-free software |
| 23:36.33 | abrotman | ma3x: which model is yours ? |
| 23:37.23 | ma3x | abrotman: fujitsu-siemens esprimo v5505 |
| 23:37.37 | benjamindees | pablo, mplayer is trivial to compile |
| 23:38.03 | ma3x | abrotman: also something which i find quite frustrating is that i can't get svideo to work :( |
| 23:38.19 | abrotman | maybe xrandr ? |
| 23:38.21 | rbanffy | Hi. Anyone willing to help me fix an apt issue? |
| 23:38.33 | abrotman | rbanffy: just ask |
| 23:38.41 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Debian sarge box, added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" to sources.list and a new "99custom" file on apt.conf.d with APT::Cache-Limit "16777216"; and APT::default-release="stable". Still, apt-get upgrade wants to update everything. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:38.43 | ma3x | abrotman: nope, i tied that |
| 23:38.44 | pablo | benjamindees: what do you mean with trivial? |
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| 23:38.57 | abrotman | rbanffy: sarge isn't testing |
| 23:39.09 | [1]ElBArto | hey |
| 23:39.19 | abrotman | rbanffy: and hasn't been for a very long time |
| 23:39.26 | abrotman | 2005 or so |
| 23:39.27 | rbanffy | abrotman: I know that, but I would like to use varnish from testing |
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| 23:39.51 | abrotman | rbanffy: then you want a deb-src line .. /msg dpkg ssb .. or also check backports.org .. might be there already |
| 23:39.51 | rbanffy | abrotman: I am supposedly pinning to stable |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | sarge is not stable either |
| 23:40.10 | benjamindees | pablo, simple, easy. you could combine the control file(s) from the marillat package with the debian source; it's pretty safe to assume that would result in free software. :) |
| 23:40.44 | pablo | benjamindees: yep, i will try that, thanks |
| 23:41.14 | pflanze | Can anyone help me configure urxvt to use a bigger font? Just can't make it accept any font declaration I'm giving. |
| 23:41.19 | rbanffy | slaps forehead |
| 23:41.29 | [1]ElBArto | this might be possible but is there anybody here who switched from debian from xp and no longer need and use there xp cd key |
| 23:41.31 | ma3x | abrotman: any ideas how to make the FN+hotkeys work? or how to disable screen darkening? |
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| 23:42.09 | abrotman | [1]ElBArto: wrong channel .. we don't deal in warez |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | ma3x: can you manually change screen brightness ? |
| 23:43.23 | [1]ElBArto | im not asking for warez ima skign if someone might have an xtra 100% legal xp key that is no longer in use whioch you are allowed to transfer under the eula |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | [1]ElBArto: wrong channel .. we don't deal in warez |
| 23:43.31 | ma3x | abrotman: yes with xbacklight -set 100 |
| 23:43.45 | abrotman | [1]ElBArto: IOW .. go away |
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| 23:43.46 | ma3x | abrotman: but every time i take off the ac power, i'm forced to do that! |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | ma3x: hrm .. using gnome or kde ? |
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| 23:45.23 | ma3x | abrotman: kde |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | ma3x: maybe kde has some power settings ? |
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| 23:45.41 | SPAMMER | http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com - Funny sites, days of fun |
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| 23:46.14 | ma3x | abrotman: nope |
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| 23:46.23 | technoid_ | ElBarto decided to leave once you op'ed yourself abrotman |
| 23:46.51 | abrotman | good ? |
| 23:47.01 | technoid_ | yup |
| 23:47.09 | rbanffy | abrotman: Still... Debian etch box (I was at one Etch launch party and even got an etch-a-sketch thingie as a gift). Sill, why can't I get testing without it going insane and wanting to upgrade everything? |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | i didn't get an etchasketch! |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | rbanffy: if you don't want to do that .. probably shouldn't be running testing |
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| 23:48.34 | rbanffy | abrotman: I just wanted a newer varnish cache... The current 1.0 series has issues with Plone... |
| 23:48.53 | abrotman | yeah .. but you can't go straight from sarge to lenny |
| 23:48.57 | zaggy | "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 657: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!" |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | you're skipping over etch |
| 23:49.02 | zaggy | anyone seen this or know what it is? |
| 23:49.37 | rbanffy | abrotman: It's really an Etch box. I was insisting on Sarge. Maybe I ran it for too long ;-) |
| 23:49.53 | abrotman | rbanffy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:50.43 | rbanffy | abrotman: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 23:50.50 | rbanffy | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:50.51 | rbanffy | 4.0 |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | rbanffy: okay .. well .. you want a deb-src line .. /msg dpkg ssb .. |
| 23:51.24 | abrotman | i doubt you want to go all the way to testing/lenny |
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| 23:51.55 | CaT[t3] | rbanffy: things in lenny have different dependancies then things in etch. mostly newer stuff which has to be pulled in which repeats the cycle. you're best off either finding a backport via www.backports.org or www.apt-get.org or doing your own backport. |
| 23:52.17 | Sazpaimon_ | so seemingly out of nowhere my server seems to crash to the point of not being able to access it via serial console, forcing me to reboot it |
| 23:52.21 | rbanffy | abrotman: Oh... |
| 23:52.33 | abrotman | i did say that before |
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| 23:52.47 | Sazpaimon_ | ive checked syslog, dmesg, kern.log, debug, and nothing out of the ordinary |
| 23:52.56 | Sazpaimon_ | is there ANY way i can trace this |
| 23:53.18 | benjamindees | Sazpaimon_, memtest? |
| 23:53.41 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess i can try that |
| 23:53.58 | abrotman | Sazpaimon_: you assume that when the system crashed that it had the ability to log it |
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| 23:54.43 | rbanffy | abrotman: Can I add an apt-source line for testing and get the source package, then do the backport myself? I never built a .deb package... |
| 23:54.58 | phr3ak | how could i keep up to date a custom compiled kernel automatically? |
| 23:55.07 | Sazpaimon_ | abrotman, wello, when i dont have physical access, log are the only thing i can go by |
| 23:55.16 | rbanffy | abrotman: I would be delighted to do it and contribute |
| 23:55.26 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway |
| 23:55.36 | Sazpaimon_ | i shopuld just run "memtest all"? |
| 23:55.36 | abrotman | Sazpaimon_: i'm just commenting |
| 23:55.44 | abrotman | !tell rbanffy about source |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | !tell rbanffy about ssb |
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| 23:56.16 | teclo | å
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| 23:56.46 | cdehaan | Hello! Does anyone know offhand the most recent Debian release to use gcc3 by default? |
| 23:56.59 | jberg | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.13 | teclo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.17 | Sazpaimon_ | benjamindees, is memtest supposed to lock me out of ssh? |
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| 23:57.35 | Sazpaimon_ | because stuff just froze up now |
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| 23:58.01 | zaggy | anyone know where I could find "../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h" ? |
| 23:58.13 | benjamindees | Sazpaimon_, maybe try logging to a file next time? |
| 23:58.35 | Sazpaimon_ | an there we go |
| 23:58.42 | Sazpaimon_ | memtest used up all memory, as it should |
| 23:59.01 | Sazpaimon_ | Call Trace: <ffffffff80151cdc>{out_of_memory+61} <ffffffff80152ea3>{__alloc_pages+526} |
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| 23:59.11 | Sazpaimon_ | thats whats appearing in my serial console |
| 23:59.45 | Sazpaimon_ | oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0 |
| 23:59.49 | Sazpaimon_ | crap |
| 23:59.52 | Sazpaimon_ | its oom-killer i bet |
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