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| 00:00.22 | Sazpaimon_ | oom-killer does more harm than good most of the time |
| 00:00.29 | jberg | !madwifi-tools |
| 00:00.47 | jberg | hmm, is the bot not working? |
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| 00:01.10 | jberg | !madwifi-install |
| 00:01.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 00:01.44 | Sazpaimon_ | is there any real use for oom-killer |
| 00:01.50 | Sazpaimon_ | or does it just crash the server most of the timne |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | jberg: msg the bot |
| 00:02.01 | centosian | hello, is there an equivalent to RH's bind-chroot package available with debian, or do I have to do something like this? http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_bind_chroot/ |
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| 00:02.26 | abrotman | !tell zaggy baout search |
| 00:02.29 | abrotman | !tell zaggy about search |
| 00:03.52 | zaggy | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:04.00 | benjamindees | Sazpaimon_, how much swap do you have? |
| 00:04.14 | Sazpaimon_ | i believe 1.5x my ram |
| 00:04.17 | Sazpaimon_ | let me check on that |
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| 00:04.27 | Sazpaimon_ | Total swap = 3919840kB |
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| 00:05.06 | Sazpaimon_ | at least thats according to oom-killer |
| 00:05.26 | Sazpaimon_ | ive got the server rebooting now |
| 00:06.03 | abrotman | centosian: that could possibly be out of date |
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| 00:06.30 | Sazpaimon_ | you know, i probably dont need oom-killer |
| 00:06.36 | centosian | abrotman: probably. I don't see a bind9-chroot package, though :/ |
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| 00:07.00 | Sazpaimon_ | most of my ram intensive processes are apache and mysql and other web tools with code to end the process if it uses up all memory |
| 00:07.18 | rbanffy | abrotman: Now that I have two shining new .deb packages, that appear to work, can I do something to help others? |
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| 00:08.15 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway according to free |
| 00:08.17 | Sazpaimon_ | Mem: 1009272 |
| 00:08.22 | Sazpaimon_ | Swap: 3919840 |
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| 00:08.29 | ffm | Hey, what does the dpkg bot run? |
| 00:08.31 | Sazpaimon_ | benjamindees, sound about right to you> |
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| 00:08.34 | ffm | And how can I get it? |
| 00:08.41 | benjamindees | Sazpaimon_, sounds fine |
| 00:08.45 | benjamindees | dpkg, what are you? |
| 00:08.45 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 00:08.47 | dendrite | ffm: Blootbot. |
| 00:08.51 | abrotman | centosian: the /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.gz has a link to the bind chroot howto |
| 00:09.00 | Sazpaimon_ | benjamindees, so should i just ditch oom-killer? |
| 00:09.00 | ffm | dendrite: merci. |
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| 00:09.03 | abrotman | !tell ffm about blootbot |
| 00:09.16 | dendrite | ffm: More specifically, the branches/don/dpkg branch, on sourceforge. |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | gone! |
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| 00:11.20 | Sazpaimon_ | benjamindees, how do i disable oom-killer alltogether |
| 00:12.05 | benjamindees | Sazpaimon_, I'm not really sure you can; or whether it's desirable. |
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| 00:12.39 | Sazpaimon_ | benjamindees, well its also undesirable to have it nuking my server whenever a process goes and runs wild with ram |
| 00:12.53 | Sazpaimon_ | i'd rather have the process segfault on its own than oom-killer messing up my system |
| 00:13.20 | benjamindees | Sazpaimon_, you could probably configure it to spare your gettys/ssh |
| 00:14.34 | Sazpaimon_ | i'd rather configure it to spare my httpd processes, mysql processes, ircd processes, ssh, getty's and everything else that can take care of itself as far as ram usage goes |
| 00:15.17 | jelly-home | pflanze: URxvt.font:-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1 (using console8x16.pcf from konsole); the manual has examples for command line -fn |
| 00:16.08 | pflanze | thanks. |
| 00:16.15 | pflanze | I found one in the end form the manual. |
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| 00:16.23 | pflanze | It's all tiring. |
| 00:16.41 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: the problem is that you generally run with overcommit |
| 00:16.57 | Sazpaimon_ | dondelelcaro, how to you mean |
| 00:17.24 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: so that processes can allocate more memory than they actually use; this means that memory has already been allocated before it's actually utilized by the program, and the only thing the kernel can do when it runs out of memory and swap is to kill off a program. |
| 00:17.45 | jelly-home | pflanze: btw, rxvt & derivatives read .Xdefaults by themselves, but not .Xresources |
| 00:17.50 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon_: in general, the OOM killer should kill off the process that is using the most memory; if it doesn't, it can be configured. |
| 00:18.04 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: nothing should read .Xresources |
| 00:18.18 | pflanze | jelly-home: yes. But finding what it accepts etcetc. is just 1999 stuff. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. |
| 00:18.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's handled by xrdb, which doesn't make it a configuration file. |
| 00:18.32 | Sazpaimon_ | dondelelcaro, well please, point me in the direction where i can be educated to configure oom-killer so it doesnt nuke my server for hours on end every other week |
| 00:18.38 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: tell that to rxvt author 12 years ago |
| 00:18.42 | pflanze | but I like programs which don't do multiwindow multiplexing and crash, so.. |
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| 00:18.52 | pflanze | have to bite the bullet. |
| 00:18.53 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: huh? |
| 00:19.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: rxvt doesn't read that file, and it never has, nor should it. |
| 00:19.18 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: rxvt opens and read .Xdefaults, and has done that since I remember |
| 00:19.25 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: I'm talking about .Xresources |
| 00:19.31 | N0S3 | what's happens with xmms? some problem ? is deprecated? |
| 00:19.37 | dondelelcaro | doesn't know about nor uses .Xdefaults |
| 00:19.46 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that's just the new name for .Xdefaults |
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| 00:20.24 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I think the default session still reads both |
| 00:20.49 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it runs them into xrdb |
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| 00:20.56 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: rxvt doesn't read them itself |
| 00:21.02 | Sazpaimon_ | my kernel version is 2.6.16.27, are there any major revisions to oom-killer that would work in my favor for later kernel versions? |
| 00:21.08 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that's what I said; as for rxvt, strace it. :-) |
| 00:21.23 | pflanze | jelly-home: thanks, that font looks much better than -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso10646-1, *but* it's too small, and somehow |
| 00:21.27 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: urxvt: open("/home/jelly/.Xdefaults", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:21.28 | pflanze | -misc-console-medium-r-normal--20-160-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1 etc won't make it bigger |
| 00:21.52 | jelly-home | pflanze: 20x10? 24x12? :-) |
| 00:21.52 | pflanze | anyone knows a better fontselection utility than xfontsel? |
| 00:22.05 | pflanze | hm? |
| 00:22.11 | pflanze | what's that? |
| 00:22.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: huh; well, it shouldn't, since all of that information is in the session manager anyway. |
| 00:22.44 | jelly-home | pflanze: those are short aliases for bitmapped fonts of that size. xterm -fn 20x10 |
| 00:23.06 | jelly-home | pflanze: er, 10x20 |
| 00:23.09 | benjamindees | well I'll be damned. 'memtest all' is completely worthless. |
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| 00:24.15 | pflanze | hm. and how do I select the misc-console font with that now? |
| 00:24.19 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: well, rxvt uses .Xdefaults as a config file in addition to reading the resources in a normal way. It's weird. |
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| 00:24.56 | jelly-home | pflanze: oh, there's no alias for it. Dunno, xlsfonts and see what's interesting... |
| 00:25.37 | pflanze | ah kool |
| 00:25.37 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah; that's pretty much completely broken |
| 00:25.42 | pflanze | finally a real console tool. |
| 00:25.56 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: yes, and it's been that way since forever :-) |
| 00:26.22 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: "instant configuration! no need to run xrdb!" |
| 00:27.22 | pflanze | (jelly-home: but xlsfonts will not list misc-console funnily. so what the h*ll did urxvt choose then, I wonder.) |
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| 00:28.34 | jelly-home | pflanze: mystery font! |
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| 00:29.39 | pflanze | hm, I've installed konsole now, /usr/share/apps/konsole/fonts/9x15.pcf.gz, but how do I make xlsfonts find it? |
| 00:31.44 | jelly-home | pflanze: the package doesn't install its fonts in the usual place in the font path; xset fp+ /usr/share/apps/konsole/fonts && xset fp rehash should make them available |
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| 00:32.02 | benjamindees | surely it's a bug that memtest attempts to allocate more than the actual amount of physical memory? |
| 00:32.35 | jelly-home | pflanze: if there's no fonts.dir file in /usr/share/apps/konsole/fonts, you'll have to cd there and run mkfontdir before doing xset fp rehash |
| 00:32.46 | pflanze | wonderful, it's listed now |
| 00:32.54 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: it probably has to because of swap. |
| 00:33.27 | Sazpaimon_ | dondelelcaro, how can i configure oom-killer |
| 00:33.45 | jelly-home | pflanze: xfonts-terminus are quite readable and come in different sizes |
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| 00:34.41 | jelly-home | pflanze: I'm addicted to the VGA font though, terminus is too blocky for me :-) |
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| 00:36.45 | jelly-home | pflanze: some people swear on old sgi bitmap fonts, http://steveblock.com/2005/07/21/sgi-screen-font/ |
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| 00:37.25 | SpookyET | hi |
| 00:37.30 | SpookyET | I'm looking for a vim theme that looks like the window on the right http://www.studioindustryllc.com/user/spookyet/screenshots/xterm-vim_vs_screen-vim.png |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | ask #vim ? |
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| 00:38.37 | abrotman | SpookyET: though ti says "colorscheme default" |
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| 00:41.26 | jdahm|out | I'm installing on an itanium server and I have the choice of a few kernels mckinley or itanium. Which should I use? |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | depends on your system .. the install guide should be able to help you |
| 00:41.54 | jelly-home | SpookyET: could be just terminal palette setup |
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| 00:43.03 | BubbaT | I'm about to install debian on a new computer and I have a few questions. First about NTFS. AFAIUI there are two NTFS formats avail;able for debian, ntfs and ntfs-3g? |
| 00:43.04 | linux_stu | i am reading a guide that says "ou can get the kernel source itself through a Debian package". what package would that be? (for compiling a custom kernel) |
| 00:44.17 | benjamindees | linux_stu, linux-source* |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | linux_stu: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 00:44.46 | linux_stu | thanks abrotman, benjamindees |
| 00:44.58 | BubbaT | Also can either be used for a standard linux partition? Eg, mount /home as ntfs-3g. |
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| 00:46.16 | FrankTheTank | dendrite: you there? |
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| 00:47.39 | ricardo | If Im doing an upgrade from etch to lenny . I just change my sources list from etch to lenny and thats it ? |
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| 00:48.03 | ricardo | II should turn off listbugs right? |
| 00:48.09 | jberg | hm, i have an amd64 processor but i dont want 64 bit, i can choose linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 right? or do i need ..-486? |
| 00:48.22 | dondelelcaro | jberg: -686 will work, yes. |
| 00:48.25 | jberg | ok thanks |
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| 00:48.46 | jberg | btw, what are the linux-headers for? |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | or -amd64 |
| 00:48.55 | jberg | if i want to build modules for the kernel? |
| 00:49.12 | jberg | abrotman: but that is for 64 bit linux right? |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | there is a 64bit kernel in the 32bit debian .. |
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| 00:49.47 | jdahm|out | abrotman: installer guide doesnt say anything about the kernels |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | usually it talks about supported hardware |
| 00:50.54 | linux_stu | is there not a kernel source in apt more recent than 2.6.18? |
| 00:51.01 | linux_stu | that's all i see |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | in stable .. no |
| 00:51.21 | jdahm|out | abrotman: doesnt seem to. I'm reading the IA64 page right now and searching for "kernel |
| 00:51.24 | jdahm|out | " |
| 00:52.07 | jdahm|out | "In lower priority modes, you will be able to choose from a list of available kernels." |
| 00:52.29 | jdahm|out | Iill install itanium for now and build another later I'm sure |
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| 00:55.24 | abrotman | jdahm|out: there is a #debian-ia64 on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:55.30 | abrotman | jdahm|out: with 4 users .. but it's there |
| 00:55.47 | jberg | gah, i tried to install sudo but dpkg segfaulted, so i had to run dpkg --reconfigure -a. then i did apt-get install linux-image.. and then dpkg said: serious warning: files list for package sudo missing, assuming package blabla and now it hangs on "unpacking sudo replacement" |
| 00:55.52 | jberg | what is that? |
| 00:56.08 | SpookyET | jelly-hom: screen had the wrong settings and it recoloured inkpot on the left into that, which looks pretty good |
| 00:56.11 | jberg | kan i kill the apt-get command and do it again? |
| 00:56.42 | jdahm|out | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:57.22 | BubbaT | jberg sounds like it died part of the way through the download of the deb, leaving you with a corrupt deb. I would stop everything delete the deb and start over. |
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| 00:57.25 | linux_stu | if i want more recent kernel source than what's available in stable, would it be best to download the sources from kernel.org or modify apt's repositories? |
| 00:57.57 | jberg | BubbaT: ah ok. how do i delete the deb? do i also need to delete the debs for libc and linux-image which didnt get installed? |
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| 00:58.31 | jberg | im not allowed to kill the dpkg process.. |
| 00:58.35 | abrotman | linux_stu: or you can check backports.org |
| 00:58.43 | BubbaT | If you have a fast connection I would just delete all deb packages. |
| 00:58.53 | BubbaT | they are in /var/cache. |
| 00:58.59 | BubbaT | they are in /var/cache/apt |
| 00:59.07 | dendrite | jberg: apt-get clean |
| 00:59.12 | dendrite | jberg: man apt-get |
| 00:59.17 | jberg | BubbaT: ok. but i cant kill the dpkg process.. tried kill -9 pid |
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| 00:59.39 | jberg | i just hangs on unpacking sudo replacement |
| 00:59.52 | jberg | kill 333: operation not permitted |
| 00:59.58 | jberg | any way i can make it stop? |
| 00:59.59 | BubbaT | Sounds like a flakey filesystem to me. |
| 01:00.05 | benjamindees | !tell linux_stu about etchnhalf |
| 01:00.18 | dendrite | jberg: You try hitting CTRL+C in the controlling terminal? |
| 01:00.22 | BubbaT | worst comes to worst you reboot. |
| 01:00.45 | jberg | oh wait. the process was in a chroot |
| 01:00.52 | jberg | i had to chroot then it worked |
| 01:01.27 | jberg | ok. so now remove everything in /var/cache/apt then apt-get clean; apt-get update: apt-get dist-upgrade and then download linux-image again? :) |
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| 01:02.19 | eldereko | where can one get the sun-java5-jdk package? |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | eldereko: do you have non-free sources? |
| 01:03.09 | benjamindees | !tell eldereko about java-package |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | not needed |
| 01:03.28 | linux_stu | thanks benjamindees |
| 01:03.47 | eldereko | thanks! |
| 01:03.57 | ricardo | abrotman what advice can you recommend for someone upgrading from etch to lenny. Ive ready the bots info is there any thing else? |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | it might break something? :) |
| 01:04.56 | linux_stu | !tell linux_stu about java-package |
| 01:05.32 | abrotman | !tell linux_stu about selftell |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | !tell eldereko about install java |
| 01:05.50 | ricardo | abrotman im a bit worried about that |
| 01:06.03 | linux_stu | whoo[s |
| 01:06.06 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:07.29 | ricardo | abrotman, how do I ensure it wont break something. Is that possible? |
| 01:07.37 | Sazpaimon_ | alright guys |
| 01:07.42 | Sazpaimon_ | heres what im seeing in my serial console |
| 01:07.42 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39046 |
| 01:07.48 | Sazpaimon_ | this repeats over and over |
| 01:08.07 | Sazpaimon_ | what exactly is going on here |
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| 01:08.23 | abrotman | ricardo: no |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | mysql sucks! :) |
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| 01:09.11 | ricardo | Ok im not going to upgrade. |
| 01:09.46 | Sazpaimon_ | can someone explain what that trace means? |
| 01:09.53 | pflanze | jelly-home &co.: thanks for all the tips; I've settled on -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso10646-1 for now. (from the xfonts-terminus package I think). |
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| 01:11.30 | Sazpaimon_ | this message is still repeating itself |
| 01:11.42 | _vvd | hey, anyone knows about a stopwatch app? |
| 01:11.50 | Sazpaimon_ | and i still cant access anything |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | _vvd: to time what? |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | Sazpaimon_: mysql is freaking out |
| 01:12.25 | _vvd | abrotman: i was too fast with asking...(found p stopwatch - A virtual stopwatch and time) |
| 01:12.25 | Sazpaimon_ | what i was doing was running a process with an inordinate ammount of memory (memtest) |
| 01:12.31 | susanne-- | Okay so the current Ubuntu installer has an advantage over Debian's current netinst image: The partitioner will create and correctly deal with EFI partitions, for installation without OS/X and BootCamp on a Mac. Is there a way to actually accomplish this same install with the stock Debian installer, since I prefer Debian? |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:12.34 | Sazpaimon_ | just to see how oom-killer reacts to my changes |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | susanne--: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:12.48 | Sazpaimon_ | so like, should i add mysql to oom-killer's "do not kill" |
| 01:12.55 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:13.10 | Sazpaimon_ | well because it doesnt seem to be working very well |
| 01:13.22 | Sazpaimon_ | oom-killer is still looping |
| 01:13.25 | abrotman | such is mysql |
| 01:13.48 | meff | heh |
| 01:13.52 | susanne-- | kk ty |
| 01:13.57 | meff | you want mysql to die or the box to die? :P |
| 01:14.11 | Sazpaimon_ | meff, well the box is dead |
| 01:14.16 | Sazpaimon_ | i cant access any services |
| 01:14.21 | Sazpaimon_ | not ssh, apache, irc |
| 01:14.41 | Sazpaimon_ | and i set oom_adj to -17 for sshd's id |
| 01:15.19 | Sazpaimon_ | so uh, that doesnt seem to be helping very well |
| 01:15.43 | pflanze | Sigh, now I'm trying to convince metacity to run something else than gnome-terminal with the run_command_terminal key shortcut. And I *did* change the console app in the "preferred applications" prefernces tool. |
| 01:15.56 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39049 here is what im currently seeing |
| 01:16.09 | Sazpaimon_ | oom-killer doesnt seem to be doing anything anymore |
| 01:16.22 | Sazpaimon_ | just looping endlessly |
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| 01:17.24 | Sazpaimon_ | so like, why is this happening and what can i do to fix it |
| 01:17.42 | Sazpaimon_ | ive already tried setting stuff like ssh and klogd to -17 in oom_adj |
| 01:17.44 | Sazpaimon_ | that didnt work |
| 01:17.49 | Sazpaimon_ | i still cant access ssh |
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| 01:19.01 | Cromag | pflanze: theres a bugrepport there :) i believe. |
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| 01:19.23 | pflanze | Cromag: ok, thanks. I'll just dpkg-divert gnome-terminal for now I think |
| 01:19.44 | Sazpaimon_ | any suggestions would be accepted with open arms :( |
| 01:21.03 | jelly-home | pflanze: update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator, maybe |
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| 01:24.00 | Sazpaimon_ | :/ alright fine, im just gonna add mysql to the do not kill list for oom-killer |
| 01:24.06 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: was that memester started from a vt? |
| 01:24.19 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home? |
| 01:24.30 | Sazpaimon_ | i just ran it via commandline |
| 01:24.43 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: were you logged in at the console? |
| 01:24.43 | pflanze | jelly-home: nope. Metacity really directly starts gnome-terminal. |
| 01:24.58 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home, over ssh, yes |
| 01:25.08 | Sazpaimon_ | i just wanted something to take an inordinate ammount of ram to see if oom-killer nukes it |
| 01:25.39 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: "over ssh" means "not at the console", so it answered my question |
| 01:26.00 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home, well i dont have physical access to the machine |
| 01:26.08 | Sazpaimon_ | i can start it over serial console, would that be better? |
| 01:26.19 | jelly-home | pflanze: xfce in debian acts nicely and calls x-terminal-emulator, I kinda hoped gnome would be similarly configured |
| 01:26.48 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: if you can send serial break, you'll be able to mess with Magic Sysrq |
| 01:26.49 | pflanze | jelly-home: note "<Cromag> pflanze: theres a bugrepport there :) i believe." |
| 01:26.58 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home, i dont see what that has to do with my oom-killer issue though, shouldnt oom-killer kill the offending process regardless of how it was started? |
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| 01:27.34 | Sazpaimon_ | it seemed to try and kill mysql then go into this endless loop |
| 01:27.46 | Sazpaimon_ | so i'm going to try to disable killing mysql and see how it reacts then |
| 01:28.24 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: well, you can kill all the processes running at "this vt" using sysrq. You can also list the running tasks, their memory usage and some other info that might be useful when reporting the issue to Debian or a kernel mailing list |
| 01:28.57 | Cromag | pflanze: hmmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/209714 |
| 01:28.59 | pflanze | jelly-home: and I have set up urxvt as x-terminal-emulator now and diverted gnome-terminal and see that it does call that path (with a number of gnome-terminal specific options), |
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| 01:29.07 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home, i cant *run* anything at this moment |
| 01:29.17 | Sazpaimon_ | everything is frozen and i need to reboot my machine |
| 01:29.17 | pflanze | and I did check that gconf-editor didn't offer any setting. |
| 01:29.20 | pflanze | Thanks Cromag. |
| 01:29.23 | Cromag | pflanze: i somehow believes that gnome is gnome, on ubuntu or debian. |
| 01:29.28 | Sazpaimon_ | whenever a process takes up a lot of ram, oom-killer kicks in and locks up my machine |
| 01:29.34 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: now you can't, but this might happen again |
| 01:29.37 | Sazpaimon_ | always, not sometimes, always |
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| 01:30.20 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: at that point, being able to do sysrq will give you more options than a hung ssh session offers |
| 01:30.45 | Sazpaimon_ | i also set klogd to be immune from oom-killer |
| 01:30.53 | Sazpaimon_ | lets see if it logged anything in /var/log/messages |
| 01:31.06 | Sazpaimon_ | if it didn't, oom-killer is just locking up the entire system immediately |
| 01:31.08 | jelly-home | you mean, /var/log/kern.log |
| 01:31.26 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah |
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| 01:32.15 | jelly-home | hopefully you made syslogd a privileged citizen as well |
| 01:33.21 | Sazpaimon_ | i did not. but if i see nothing from oom-killer in kern.log all three will be set to stay alive always, then i'll try again |
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| 01:33.46 | jelly-home | because klogd < kernel-buffer > syslog's socket, and syslog's the one writing stuff to disk |
| 01:34.39 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: do you have swap on the machine? |
| 01:34.44 | Sazpaimon_ | yes |
| 01:34.51 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: is the hard drive thrashing? :o) |
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| 01:35.04 | jelly-home | xsdg: hard to tell with a remote machine |
| 01:35.16 | xsdg | aah |
| 01:35.20 | Sazpaimon_ | fsck hasnt complained |
| 01:35.33 | anonimus | Hi, what is the worst thing that can happend if i chmod -R 777 /var/log/ ? |
| 01:35.38 | Dewi | jelly-home: hard to tell with local machines these days, since half the SATA controllers around don't blink the light |
| 01:35.48 | xsdg | anonimus: that's bad |
| 01:35.48 | Dewi | jelly-home: and HDs are so amazingly quiet |
| 01:36.04 | xsdg | anonimus: you don't want random folks being able to change/delete your logfiles |
| 01:36.05 | jelly-home | Dewi: you say that as if it was a bad thing :-) |
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| 01:36.22 | Gm4n | is there a way to have a mail alias only apply to mail from the outside world? |
| 01:36.27 | xsdg | anonimus: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:36.47 | anonimus | well, to have one more user to be able to look at logs |
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| 01:36.56 | Sazpaimon_ | nothing about oom-killer in any of my logs |
| 01:36.58 | anonimus | but not giving him sudo or root pass |
| 01:37.02 | uamenti | there wouldn't be any trouble if i pointed /bin/sh to /usr/bin/ksh would there? |
| 01:37.03 | xsdg | anonimus: add the user to the group that owns the relevant logfile |
| 01:37.03 | Dewi | jelly-home: I miss the extra cues about what's going on |
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| 01:37.14 | xsdg | anonimus: likely adm or something like that |
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| 01:37.39 | Sazpaimon_ | this is unsettling |
| 01:37.47 | Sazpaimon_ | init is set to 0 for oom_adj |
| 01:37.48 | jelly-home | Dewi: I look at the pretty cricket graphs collected on a remote machine, see if the swap started getting filled up |
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| 01:37.55 | Sazpaimon_ | 'you'd expect that to be -17 |
| 01:38.00 | Sazpaimon_ | wouldnt you? |
| 01:38.03 | anonimus | but this group would be something more not just logs? |
| 01:38.15 | xsdg | anonimus: likely not |
| 01:38.17 | anonimus | he could see something else with adm group ? |
| 01:38.26 | xsdg | anonimus: but if you actually want to check, find will tell you (man find) |
| 01:39.02 | anonimus | xsdg, thx |
| 01:39.22 | xsdg | anonimus: and if you're really concerned, just make a group that only has read access to the logfiles and add folks to that group |
| 01:39.47 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: what does that parameter do? sounds like it only excepts some processes from being killed |
| 01:40.08 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home, it's apparently the equivalent of OOM_DISABLE for that pid |
| 01:40.27 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: you might want to increase /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes instead |
| 01:40.44 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: does your machine actually need/use swap? |
| 01:41.02 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, most likely |
| 01:41.18 | Sazpaimon_ | it runs apache, mysql, irc processes, and a halflife 2 server, just to name a few things |
| 01:41.22 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: architecture? |
| 01:41.27 | Sazpaimon_ | it only has 1GB of ram |
| 01:41.32 | Sazpaimon_ | amd64 |
| 01:41.47 | Sazpaimon_ | amd64 kernel as well |
| 01:42.01 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: a physical machine? |
| 01:42.18 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: you've never checked? my point is just that a machine without swap will recover faster, and will be more likely to recover, than a machine with swap |
| 01:42.20 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly-home, dedicated server, yes |
| 01:42.41 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, my machine goes offline for at least 3 hours |
| 01:42.56 | Sazpaimon_ | then finally stops working to the point where oom-killer does nothing |
| 01:43.32 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont know, i havent witnessed how long it takes for oom-killer to stop displaying anything |
| 01:43.46 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: eh, get to thee serial console and figure out what's happening |
| 01:43.52 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: the last time I ran out of memory, my machine was ot of commission for 5-10 minutes, and then everything was normal |
| 01:43.56 | Sazpaimon_ | im in the sercon right now |
| 01:44.10 | Sazpaimon_ | im about to run memtest to take up all my ram |
| 01:44.11 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon_: can you send break? |
| 01:44.30 | Sazpaimon_ | sshd, mysqld, syslogd, and klogd are set to -17 in oom_adj |
| 01:44.32 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: the last time I ran out of memory when the machine still had swap, it was 40+ minutes |
| 01:44.57 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, better than 3-6 hours, and unsucessfully at that |
| 01:45.06 | jdahm|out | after installation the tty terminals have really screwed up fonts, glad I installed X, is this an easy fix? |
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| 01:45.24 | Sazpaimon_ | let see what happens |
| 01:45.43 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: yes, but my point is that, if you won't need it, it can be useful to turn swap off (or at least limit how much is available) |
| 01:46.05 | Sazpaimon_ | Out of Memory: Kill process 1566 (mysqld) score 115243 and children. |
| 01:46.05 | Sazpaimon_ | Out of memory: Killed process 1566 (mysqld). |
| 01:46.08 | Sazpaimon_ | damnit |
| 01:46.14 | Sazpaimon_ | it's still trying to kill mysql |
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| 01:46.36 | Sazpaimon_ | wow, that time it actually worked thougj |
| 01:46.43 | Sazpaimon_ | lets check my log |
| 01:48.32 | Sazpaimon_ | this time it actually killed mysql first, THEN memtest |
| 01:48.54 | Sazpaimon_ | let me try it one more time for good measure |
| 01:49.05 | jdahm|out | I don't have any framebuffer set... |
| 01:49.11 | jdahm|out | might the problem be in the kernel? |
| 01:49.39 | benjamindees | ...the custom kernel |
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| 01:51.06 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, this time it killed mysql |
| 01:51.45 | Sazpaimon_ | killed memtest |
| 01:51.54 | Sazpaimon_ | now its in its endless loop again |
| 01:52.15 | Sazpaimon_ | so there's 2 cases where i ran the same processes |
| 01:52.23 | Sazpaimon_ | and memtest did different things |
| 01:52.55 | Sazpaimon_ | what could this mean |
| 01:53.02 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: do you know what a race condition is? |
| 01:53.09 | Sazpaimon_ | no |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | it's when there is one beer, and two people! |
| 01:53.55 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: it's when two processes/threads/whatever will get to some point, and the behavior of the whole system will change depending on which gets there first |
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| 01:54.13 | abrotman | same idea! |
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| 01:54.36 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, so how does this apply to my crashing issue |
| 01:54.46 | Sazpaimon_ | and what can be done about it |
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| 01:55.10 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: I'll skip the explanation and just say "the behavior will be unpredictable; there's not much you can do about it" |
| 01:55.19 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: how much swap do you have? |
| 01:55.29 | Sazpaimon_ | 3919840kB |
| 01:55.47 | jetscreamer | that's a little much isn't it |
| 01:55.51 | jetscreamer | unless you need it |
| 01:55.56 | jetscreamer | not that it matters |
| 01:56.18 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: my suggestion would be to reduce that. Less swap thrashing means that the OOM-killer will be able to do its job faster |
| 01:56.24 | Sazpaimon_ | accoridng to top, i use up all my ram almost immediately |
| 01:56.33 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:56.46 | jetscreamer | unless you mean buffers+cache |
| 01:56.56 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: you'll have to be more specific about what you mean by that |
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| 01:57.10 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: it's easy to misinterpret what "top", "free" and friends tell you |
| 01:57.11 | LimCore | hello |
| 01:57.13 | Sazpaimon_ | once im back on my machine i will |
| 01:57.24 | LimCore | what was this command to set my default editor to vim? so that i.e. crontab -e uses it |
| 01:57.28 | Sazpaimon_ | still waiting for my reboot command to take effect |
| 01:57.31 | leftStanding | hi, i'm reading the new maintainer guide, and as a simple first step i thought i would re-package foldoc. i got my hands on the orig-tar-gz and only found the dictionary inside. where is the control file and the other support files? i'm confused |
| 01:57.54 | xsdg | leftStanding: try #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:58.04 | jberg | motherfucker. i did the debootstrap thing, installed madwifi-tools the way i should and blabla. then i boot into the system and ath0 interface is nowhere to be found. neither is ath_pci module |
| 01:58.10 | leftStanding | xsdg: ok thanks |
| 01:58.13 | LimCore | looks @ jberg |
| 01:58.23 | benjamindees | leftStanding, in the .diff |
| 01:58.31 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway, xsdg you're telling me a kernel feature has unpredictable behavior |
| 01:58.43 | Sazpaimon_ | behavior that can render a machine unusable until reboot |
| 01:58.49 | Sazpaimon_ | why bother adding it in the kernel in the first place |
| 01:58.52 | jberg | does anyone know what might have gone wrong? |
| 01:59.01 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: think about it this way |
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| 01:59.12 | jetscreamer | LimCore: man update-alternatives |
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| 01:59.25 | jetscreamer | update-alternatives --config editor or something |
| 01:59.28 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: your system will be unusable unless the OOM-killer can kill what's taking up memory |
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| 01:59.46 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: if it doesn't kill what's taking up memory before it has no memory left, you lose |
| 01:59.59 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: if it does, the machine will recover |
| 02:00.01 | mosty | does xfs have something similar to the lost+found dir in ext2? |
| 02:00.16 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: the goal is to maximize the likelihood that it will have time to kill the thing that's taking up memory |
| 02:00.26 | xsdg | mosty: I don't think so, though I might be wrong |
| 02:00.40 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, well this has happened twice in the last week |
| 02:00.43 | jetscreamer | (least it's not reiserfs) |
| 02:01.06 | Sazpaimon_ | add to the fact that this seems to *always* happen while I'm at work |
| 02:01.17 | Sazpaimon_ | leaving my server offline for 3,4,5, even 6 hours at a time |
| 02:01.36 | Sazpaimon_ | this is becoming a bit unsettling for me |
| 02:01.38 | mosty | xsdg, i have a strange directory that keeps reappearing on some of my machines: /nonexistent and it contains the same files as /etc/skel if i delete the dir it reappears the next day |
| 02:01.43 | leftStanding | benjamindees: i should use patch to merge the two together, right? |
| 02:01.49 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: my suggestion is to reduce your swap size, and/or get more memory for the machine and just get rid of swap |
| 02:02.20 | xsdg | mosty: weird; dunno... |
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| 02:02.34 | benjamindees | leftStanding, you can use patch or dpkg-source, or apt-get source |
| 02:02.34 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: also, do you know what's actually using the memory? |
| 02:02.42 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, mysql at peak times |
| 02:02.48 | Sazpaimon_ | possibly my team fortress 2 server |
| 02:02.54 | Sazpaimon_ | that might take up more cpu than ram though |
| 02:04.21 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: well, good luck. disks are slow: swap isn't a replacement for real memory |
| 02:04.30 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway, xsdg how would reducing swap help, anyway |
| 02:04.40 | jetscreamer | he told you |
| 02:05.04 | leftStanding | benjamindees: i've tried patch orig.tar.gz diff.tar.gz but it errors "unexpectedly ends in middle line" |
| 02:05.08 | Sazpaimon_ | i just dont see how swap that goes unused messes with overall usage |
| 02:05.25 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: it's _using_ all of the swap that takes a long time |
| 02:05.53 | Sazpaimon_ | so when i have a program that takes up all the ram once in a while |
| 02:06.00 | jetscreamer | just do swapoff -a and go to work :) |
| 02:06.01 | Sazpaimon_ | when it starts swapping, it screws things up |
| 02:06.42 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, well, how would i go about lowering swap in my scenario, that is to say, remotely |
| 02:06.48 | benjamindees | leftStanding, 'tar -xzf package.orig.tar.gz' then 'cd package' then 'patch -p1 <../package.diff.gz' |
| 02:07.06 | jdahm|out | NetworkManager cannot find a network device and there is definitely one (even 2) under ifconfig |
| 02:07.20 | jdahm|out | thus, networking is not working. Can someone help? |
| 02:07.23 | pflanze | jelly-home: hot: your tip with rxvt-unicode-lite was really good I think: measurements show that every terminal instance (of 10, w/o daemon mode) is taking up 4.7MB, but the interesting thing is, of those, 3.3MB are taken by the bash in the terminal! |
| 02:07.27 | Sazpaimon_ | i can serial console, so i can get to a lower init level |
| 02:07.40 | Sazpaimon_ | is it just a matter of repartitioning the swap partition to be a lower size? |
| 02:08.16 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: that's what I'd do, yes |
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| 02:08.38 | pflanze | (jelly-home: whereas with gnome-terminal w/o factory, it was 10MB (including bash) per instance) |
| 02:09.06 | Sazpaimon_ | looks like two drives are mounted with swap |
| 02:09.11 | Sazpaimon_ | /dev/sda2 none swap sw |
| 02:09.11 | Sazpaimon_ | /dev/sdb2 none swap sw |
| 02:09.29 | Sazpaimon_ | iirc my hosting has 2 drives for RAID |
| 02:09.30 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: look at /proc/swaps |
| 02:09.50 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, empty |
| 02:09.54 | Sazpaimon_ | oh wait |
| 02:09.58 | Sazpaimon_ | i ran swapoff -a |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | eh |
| 02:10.17 | Sazpaimon_ | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 02:10.18 | Sazpaimon_ | /dev/sda2 partition 1959920 0 -3 |
| 02:10.18 | Sazpaimon_ | /dev/sdb2 partition 1959920 0 -4 |
| 02:10.41 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: maybe try turning one of them off to start with? |
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| 02:10.47 | leftStanding | benjamindees: i tried that, but got the same error |
| 02:11.01 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, wouldnt that effect my RAID array in any way? |
| 02:11.04 | benjamindees | leftStanding, gzip -d package.diff.gz |
| 02:11.35 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: I wouldn't think so... it's not like the same data ends up on both of them in the first place |
| 02:11.56 | Sazpaimon_ | also, why is my swap sda1 and my / md1 |
| 02:11.59 | Sazpaimon_ | im not getting ths |
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| 02:12.15 | stew | leftStanding: "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" will extract the .orig.tar.gz and apply the .diff.gz for you |
| 02:12.31 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39064 here is my fstab |
| 02:12.33 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: `cat /proc/mdstat` will tell you what devices are being used for raid |
| 02:12.38 | xsdg | (presuming it's software raid) |
| 02:12.51 | Sazpaimon_ | it is, im not paying an extra $200 a month for hardware raid |
| 02:12.51 | leftStanding | haha yeah i got it |
| 02:13.05 | leftStanding | i realized that patch won't automatically un gzip it for you |
| 02:13.17 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, http://pastebin.org/39065 |
| 02:13.20 | Sazpaimon_ | contents of that |
| 02:14.19 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: yeah, so it's just got two identically-partitioned drives, and it happens that the second partition is for swap |
| 02:14.25 | Sazpaimon_ | ah |
| 02:14.33 | Sazpaimon_ | and the swap isnt part of the raid array |
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| 02:14.38 | xsdg | correct |
| 02:14.53 | Sazpaimon_ | but since the drives are identical, its using the swap partition from both of them for the swap |
| 02:15.16 | Sazpaimon_ | thats kinda silly |
| 02:15.19 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: well, it was configured to do that, but yeah |
| 02:15.37 | Sazpaimon_ | i'll juust remove one of those from the fstab |
| 02:15.45 | Sazpaimon_ | it doesnt matter which i suppose |
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| 02:15.53 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: I wouldn't think so |
| 02:16.03 | Sazpaimon_ | both drives are being used equally |
| 02:16.16 | Sazpaimon_ | then again, i was considering ditching the raid array and using the second drive for additional storage |
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| 02:17.54 | plb | I have a Sony tape changer that had been working correctly with Amanda, recently Amanda started failing with a cannot determine first slot error, when I try to get status info with the mtx command, it just sits there and does nothing. |
| 02:18.11 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: well, I have to run ; good luck |
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| 02:18.21 | Sazpaimon_ | thanks |
| 02:18.27 | Sazpaimon_ | let me try killing my ram again |
| 02:18.34 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: might be worthwhile to see what the response is like running memtest without swap |
| 02:18.40 | Sazpaimon_ | good idea |
| 02:19.13 | BubbaT | Installing new debian on a computer. Any suggestions on how to setup my partiitons. |
| 02:19.32 | Sazpaimon_ | not only did it kill mysql |
| 02:19.36 | Sazpaimon_ | it let memtest continue to run |
| 02:20.05 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: did it end up killing memtest? |
| 02:20.10 | Sazpaimon_ | no not yet |
| 02:20.21 | Sazpaimon_ | its killed mysql and httpd so far |
| 02:20.31 | xsdg | weird |
| 02:21.11 | plb | BubbaT: it really depends on purpose and your situation. I tend to do all files in one partition, but I use network filesystems for homedrives, configuration, etc |
| 02:22.32 | jetscreamer | does it all in one big partition |
| 02:22.35 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 02:23.36 | BubbaT | Couldn't find any sites with sample layouts, Maybe someone knows something like that? |
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| 02:23.49 | plb | BubbaT: what is the system's purpose? |
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| 02:24.43 | BubbaT | Desktop. |
| 02:24.46 | mrcar | do you need help in actually making the partitions BubbaT ? |
| 02:25.19 | plb | There are three reasons to use multiple filesystems, to prevent data loss if you have to wipe the system, multiple drives, or if you want to prevent a part of the filesystem from growing too big. |
| 02:25.22 | Sazpaimon_ | still hasnt killed memtest yet |
| 02:25.37 | Sazpaimon_ | but memtest doesnt seem to be doing anything now |
| 02:26.06 | xsdg | weird |
| 02:26.25 | jetscreamer | oh, always have plenty of space for those backups |
| 02:26.30 | jetscreamer | preferably on another hd |
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| 02:26.38 | Sazpaimon_ | it just keeps killing httpd processes |
| 02:26.54 | Sazpaimon_ | cant get in to a new ssh session either |
| 02:27.03 | stew | plb: or if you want different mount options for different partitions (perhaps /usr mounted ro or home mounted nosuid). or for making backup more simple, for instance |
| 02:27.19 | CaT[t3] | is there a command to tell you what files don't belong to a package? |
| 02:27.22 | BubbaT | How big should /boot be? |
| 02:27.29 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: I've never seen that; weird |
| 02:27.34 | xsdg | CaT[t3]: err... huh? |
| 02:27.48 | stew | CaT[t3]: no |
| 02:27.49 | xsdg | CaT[t3]: `dpkg -L <apackage>` will tell you what files _do_ belong to that package |
| 02:28.02 | CaT[t3] | xsdg: basically, I had someone do some tarball installs and want to see if he's cleaned up after getting larted. |
| 02:28.12 | CaT[t3] | stew: foo. |
| 02:28.17 | xsdg | aah |
| 02:28.23 | Sazpaimon_ | alright well |
| 02:28.29 | stew | CaT[t3]: 'dpkg -S filename' would tell you for a particualr file |
| 02:28.34 | Sazpaimon_ | memtest is still running |
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| 02:28.38 | Sazpaimon_ | it just updated its current test |
| 02:28.47 | CaT[t3] | stew: yeah. just loathe doing that for each and every file :) |
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| 02:29.18 | mrcar | BubbaT: about 50MB should be enough |
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| 02:30.40 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, it seems to be going in order of pid |
| 02:30.54 | Sazpaimon_ | its killed 3923, then 3924, then 3925 |
| 02:30.56 | Sazpaimon_ | all httpd processes |
| 02:31.33 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: is it saying what their oom costs (?) are? |
| 02:31.58 | Sazpaimon_ | Out of Memory: Kill process 2168 (httpd) score 63121 and children. |
| 02:32.18 | Sazpaimon_ | the parent pid id 2168 |
| 02:32.24 | Sazpaimon_ | its killing the children first |
| 02:32.25 | Sazpaimon_ | then the parent |
| 02:32.31 | xsdg | heh, that sucks |
| 02:32.34 | Sazpaimon_ | at least thats what it appears to be doing |
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| 02:32.48 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: so it's not catching up, basically? |
| 02:33.00 | Sazpaimon_ | essentially |
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| 02:33.29 | Sazpaimon_ | for X number of new requests, a new process is created |
| 02:33.35 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: dunno |
| 02:33.39 | Sazpaimon_ | though this wont happen now, as the server is unreachable via httpd |
| 02:33.51 | Sazpaimon_ | so it will eventually run through all httpd procesess until it gets to the parent |
| 02:33.59 | Sazpaimon_ | whether that happens before memtest runs its course is yet to be decided |
| 02:34.42 | n3kl | I have an nfs mounted root booted through pxe and am unable to start nfs-common because it is missing /lib/modules/*/modules.dep. What do I need to install to get this? Linux-headers? |
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| 02:36.08 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: I have to run, but this might be a question for the LKML |
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| 02:36.32 | Vutral | hello |
| 02:36.39 | Vutral | i got a problem with my clock |
| 02:36.42 | Vutral | it runs too slow |
| 02:36.48 | Vutral | weather openntpd nor xntpd help |
| 02:37.24 | n3kl | More information would help. Have you looked in the logs or tried starting the service in the foreground to check for errors? |
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| 02:38.22 | Vutral | the service runs |
| 02:38.24 | Vutral | one second |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | define 'too slow' |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | off by hours? or minutes? |
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| 02:38.55 | Vutral | it drifts 15 minutes in about 4 hours |
| 02:39.00 | Vutral | or more |
| 02:39.29 | Vutral | peer 85.214.19.110 now valid |
| 02:39.33 | Vutral | reply from 85.214.19.110: offset 8.414559 delay 2.357698, next query 5s |
| 02:39.39 | Vutral | no more output |
| 02:39.42 | Vutral | ^ |
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| 02:40.11 | Vutral | no reply received in time errors could be the problem ^^ |
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| 02:40.32 | navetz | does anyone know why frostwire wont work with hardy Kubuntu, how to fix it, or if there are any alternatives? |
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| 02:41.38 | dondelelcaro | navetz: #ubuntu or #kubuntu knows |
| 02:41.52 | Vutral | mhm |
| 02:41.59 | navetz | dondelelcaro: ah ok, I asked there but nobody replied, thanks anyway |
| 02:41.59 | Vutral | it seems it doesn't adjust the clock |
| 02:42.05 | Vutral | but print the message |
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| 02:42.57 | ``y7 | is it common when using mv or cp to use the -i option? or do most users go without using it? |
| 02:43.35 | n3kl | What is the name of that package that proxies apt cache? |
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| 02:43.52 | Vutral | n3kl: there are more than one apt-cacher |
| 02:43.55 | Vutral | works for me |
| 02:44.06 | n3kl | Ah, right |
| 02:44.20 | n3kl | I forgot the name... so obvious. Thanks |
| 02:44.42 | benjamindees | ``y7, I believe some distros set it as default; but I never use it |
| 02:45.45 | ``y7 | also, when you use rm, there is no way to send it to a place where you can get it back? do most users just mv to to a directory called /trash or something? or do they typically just remove it permanently? |
| 02:46.25 | n3kl | -i is definately the saftey net of some dangerous commands. |
| 02:46.31 | abrotman | !info libtrash etch |
| 02:46.55 | dpkg | libtrash: (A trash can library to use with LD_PRELOAD), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
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| 03:03.15 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 03:03.15 | dpkg | <HostilePenguin> your smarter |
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| 03:07.05 | mrwoody | hi *. I am able to change Twinview setting with nvidia-settings (from VGA + DVI to VGA + TV-out). Does anyone know if it is posisble to do it from command line? |
| 03:07.40 | jberg | hmm, maybe the madwifi modules dissapeared because i installed them in the debootstrapped system and THEN installed a new kernel? i need to switch the order right? |
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| 03:08.49 | jberg | so now i need to debootstrap this thing *again* |
| 03:09.20 | Lagbolt | mrwoody, check nvidia-settings, does it have commandline options? |
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| 03:09.44 | Lagbolt | yeah nvidia-settings -a <-- read man page |
| 03:09.56 | mrwoody | Lagbolt: it does... but I was not able to do what I want |
| 03:10.03 | jberg | Lagbolt: do you know if thats why the madwifi modules didnt get installed properly? |
| 03:10.04 | Lagbolt | mrwoody, what do you want it to do? |
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| 03:10.49 | Lagbolt | jberg, you lost them? |
| 03:10.56 | mrwoody | Lagbolt: I use twinview with two monitos. But sometimes I want one monitor and tv-out I can do it from the gui. But I am not able to do that from command line. So I wonder if there is any other trick |
| 03:11.13 | Lagbolt | mrwoody, so you want to close down one monitor and start using tv out |
| 03:11.39 | jberg | well when i rebooted there was no ath0 interface and modprobe ath_pci failed. so im thinking that was because i installed a new kernel afterwards.. |
| 03:11.49 | BubbaT | Is ia64 usable by an Athlon x2? |
| 03:12.06 | Lagbolt | mrwoody, hmm dont know if you can do that. looks like in man pages they are saying it is a work in progress |
| 03:12.08 | mrwoody | Lagbolt: that is right |
| 03:12.28 | mrwoody | Lagbolt: really? where I didn't read that. Let me check |
| 03:12.33 | Lagbolt | jberg, if you install new kern you have to reinstall any modules you built that were not in kern by default |
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| 03:13.05 | Lagbolt | mrwoody, in the 8. TODO <-- maybe i am reading it wrong but thats what it sounds like |
| 03:13.18 | Lagbolt | cause it is already in the gui . . . so only improvment would be cml |
| 03:13.34 | Lagbolt | anyhow i gotta jet for a bit. bbl |
| 03:13.53 | jberg | Lagbolt: hmm, but can i now boot a livecd, mount the harddrive and chroot in to it and then install them again, or do i need the whole process over again? |
| 03:14.11 | mrwoody | Lagbolt: maybe you are right... but it is not very clear and it should be very easy for them to implement since I can achieve that with the gui. |
| 03:15.46 | Invisionfree | whats this mean? http://paste.debian.net/4448/ |
| 03:17.29 | Invisionfree | whats this mean? http://paste.debian.net/4448/ |
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| 03:42.08 | wols_ | jberg: chrooting into the install and installing is usually enough |
| 03:42.30 | wols_ | Invisionfree: means X didn't find a combo of resolution which works for your videodriver and monitor |
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| 03:42.42 | wols_ | Invisionfree: what videochip do you have ? |
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| 04:09.42 | path_ | hi there := |
| 04:09.59 | path_ | anybody using dash for init scripts ? |
| 04:10.39 | wwasher | i somehow managed to remove my installation of dhclient. aptitude lists its status of "c" and while I try to tell it to install ("+"), it persists in ignoring me. is there more forceful way to coerce aptitude into reinstallation of the dhcp client? |
| 04:10.40 | dendrite | path_: Yes!!! |
| 04:10.58 | path_ | dendrite :D how good/bad is it ? |
| 04:11.02 | path_ | worth installing ? |
| 04:11.12 | dendrite | path_: No idea. I just said that so you'd ask your real question. =) |
| 04:11.22 | path_ | :B |
| 04:11.50 | path_ | thanks anyway thats mean it works :D |
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| 04:12.01 | path_ | your !! is telling also |
| 04:12.04 | path_ | :-) |
| 04:13.04 | dendrite | path_: You can probably use just about anything for init scripts. |
| 04:13.16 | dendrite | COBOL would be interesting... |
| 04:13.42 | path_ | indeed. |
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| 04:16.16 | wwasher | dendrite: is that a reason for !ask? |
| 04:16.37 | dendrite | wwasher: Is what a reason? |
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| 04:16.59 | wwasher | dendrite : `dash` |
| 04:17.36 | wwasher | path_ : IBM had a page on using `make` for init scripts |
| 04:17.43 | dendrite | ... Is dash a reason for !ask ... ?? |
| 04:18.08 | dendrite | wwasher: IMHO, !ask is one of several ways to convey the idea. |
| 04:18.25 | path_ | wwasher, thats interesting I'll take a look right away thanks :-D |
| 04:18.32 | wwasher | dendrite : sorry, i'm a few minutes begind the world :) |
| 04:18.34 | path_ | I do like almost anything IBM related |
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| 04:18.37 | ghosTM55 | hi all~ |
| 04:18.47 | path_ | from papers to thinkpads :-) |
| 04:18.50 | wwasher | path_, it was on their developer works |
| 04:18.52 | dendrite | path_: Bent on hosing your init system, are you? :-) |
| 04:19.04 | helo | does the etch installer allow easily configured encrypted volumes? |
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| 04:19.42 | markybob | helo, if you can read, yes, it's easy |
| 04:19.44 | dendrite | helo: I found it easy, but I didn't find I needed to "configure" it much... |
| 04:19.54 | path_ | dendrite, kind of :-) |
| 04:19.57 | wwasher | path_ : be cautioned. it's a cool idea and probably does speed up the initialization, they warned that it was easy to barf a setup... |
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| 04:20.15 | dendrite | path_: Play with the parallel init stuff. That sounds really cool. |
| 04:20.21 | path_ | yes I've just read something like that wwasher |
| 04:20.29 | wwasher | markybob : so is open BSD ;) |
| 04:20.39 | helo | how can i set it up post-installation? |
| 04:20.47 | markybob | wwasher, no arguments there |
| 04:20.48 | path_ | dendrite, CONCURRENCY=shell ? :-) |
| 04:21.23 | dendrite | path_: I've not played with it, though one of these days I'll set up a vm or two and see what it's made of. |
| 04:21.57 | path_ | helo, dpkg-reconfigure base ? |
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| 04:22.09 | path_ | sorry |
| 04:22.10 | helo | is it fairly painless to setup an encrypted volume (if i have an unused partition) after i've installed etch? |
| 04:22.14 | path_ | helo, dpkg-reconfigure base-config :-) |
| 04:22.20 | dendrite | wwasher: That 'make for init' is as in parallel make? |
| 04:22.40 | markybob | helo, yes. google up dm-crypt |
| 04:22.44 | path_ | dendrite, I'm in the same situation :-) |
| 04:22.51 | dendrite | helo: Yeah, there's a few howtos out there. |
| 04:23.00 | wols_ | helo: I'd look at truecrypt 5.. not in etch tho |
| 04:23.44 | helo | dpkg-reconfigure base-config says "Package `base-config' is not installed and no info is available." |
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| 04:25.00 | wwasher | dendrite: i don't remember that the IBM people used anything beyond a standard makefile; i suppose parallel make would work (not being familiar), but their article said it allowed them to do several bits of the init concurrently satisfying pre-reqs for the stuff later on down the road. |
| 04:25.55 | dendrite | wwasher: Sounds parallel then. I know gmake can do that, at least. |
| 04:26.03 | path_ | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-boot.html |
| 04:26.16 | path_ | whoops |
| 04:26.36 | wwasher | path_ : gee, what are you reading? :) |
| 04:26.39 | path_ | sorry, made a mistake |
| 04:26.40 | path_ | :D |
| 04:27.13 | path_ | hahah |
| 04:27.22 | wols_ | !tell helo about base-config |
| 04:27.37 | path_ | wwasher, paralleling system :-) |
| 04:27.52 | path_ | !tell help |
| 04:31.13 | wwasher | path_ are you doing it the IBM way or using dash? i've not used dash, but wondered if it was related to the IBM work |
| 04:31.58 | wwasher | erg. i need to decide on dhclient. four projects which answer to that query. |
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| 04:32.17 | path_ | wwasher, I havent decided yet if I'd implement it the machine/box is critical |
| 04:33.01 | path_ | wwasher, I'd eventually read as much as documentacion I can and then decide what way :-) |
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| 04:33.17 | path_ | documentation* |
| 04:33.20 | wwasher | path_ kinda why i hadn't either. and i have enough issues making bluetooth work.... :( |
| 04:33.38 | wwasher | i've got my time cut prespent. |
| 04:33.49 | path_ | what sort of bluetooth issues wwasher ? |
| 04:34.07 | Dewi | what is /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem ? |
| 04:34.13 | Dewi | postfix seems to point to it by default |
| 04:34.21 | markybob | it uses it for tls |
| 04:34.49 | Dewi | markybob: is it prepackaged or generated on install? |
| 04:34.52 | wwasher | path_ syncing my cell. sounds stupid, but pairing won't take the passkey set in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 04:35.00 | markybob | Dewi, generated |
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| 04:36.26 | Dewi | markybob: affected by rng bug? |
| 04:36.35 | Dewi | markybob: or was TLS not, for some reason |
| 04:36.36 | Dewi | ? |
| 04:36.37 | wwasher | path_ there are a few references to using some "passkey-agent" and a bunch of ubuntu tribe complaining about it. best i can find for debian is there was a bug issued last year about it. |
| 04:36.59 | Dewi | markybob: I've never appreciated the difference between all those crypto methods |
| 04:37.23 | markybob | Dewi, it was affected. http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys#head-a351c6c58d0b10b8b27e870556d6ca2b752f6ae4 |
| 04:38.19 | wwasher | certainly, passkey-agent wasn't brought down by aptitude for testing. |
| 04:40.17 | path_ | wwasher, thats interesting :-) havent played around pairing yet |
| 04:41.06 | Dewi | markybob: urgh. okay, thanks for that |
| 04:41.13 | markybob | np |
| 04:41.34 | zd32nv | any of you using mplayer from d-m.net? |
| 04:41.42 | Dewi | markybob: is it the kind of key thunderbird would be throwing up warnings about if I was using anyway? |
| 04:42.00 | zd32nv | for my lenny amd64 system, there appears to be green bars all over the movie, but when viewed with vlc, it is fine |
| 04:42.01 | markybob | Dewi, no idea. i've never used thunderbird |
| 04:42.02 | Dewi | markybob: because of the "generated on install" thing... no CA involved? |
| 04:42.26 | markybob | dont know |
| 04:42.56 | Dewi | markybob: okay, thanks |
| 04:44.06 | wwasher | path_ : i fudged around enough to get a hand-me-down wireless keyboard to pair nicely, and it took me three forevers to get the phone to respond (getting the entry in hcid.conf right) , but nothing will the phone take the pairing keys i've punched in, either what is in hcid.conf or otherwise. |
| 04:44.59 | wwasher | path_, i suppose that also means i got rfcomm right, too; bitpim attemptng to access the /dev/rfcomm entry prompts the pairing process on the phone, but yeesh. |
| 04:46.30 | wwasher | also seems to me that the whole design is very single-system; i dunno. prolly a conversation to work out in #bluez or someplace, but in any case, all the FAQs seem to point to using a passkey-agent to force the passcode, but testing doesn't have it and i'm at a loss about what to do next with it. :( |
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| 04:47.16 | wols_ | wwasher: lots of stuff is missing from testing. that's why you tehn backport from sid |
| 04:47.48 | wwasher | wols_ : eek! porting from sid! ;) |
| 04:48.34 | wwasher | wols: havent thought about it; like i said, the only debian reference to the whole lot was a single unanswered bug report from pre-release etch |
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| 04:53.30 | Yggdrasil | Hello, IM working on an ax.25 network interface and im gettng some odd data going thru that interface. is there a way , using route to stop any data transmitting out of that interface? |
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| 04:56.01 | wols_ | wwasher: e.g. there is no nvidia-glx in testing |
| 04:56.23 | wols_ | and there is a reason for "!why is yyy not in testing" factoid |
| 04:56.42 | wols_ | Yggdrasil: can't you use iptables? |
| 04:56.53 | wols_ | route, all you can do is enable or disable the route basically |
| 04:57.01 | Yggdrasil | hmm iptables |
| 04:57.07 | Yggdrasil | yea that makes sense. |
| 04:57.20 | wwasher | it's very strange. now and then i update and suddenly there are a dozen packages or so suddenly become obsolete. |
| 04:57.36 | Wyzard | Random note if anyone's interested to know: VMware conflicts with KVM and will hard-lock your machine if you boot a VM with the kvm-intel module loaded |
| 04:58.13 | wwasher | eventually i get frustrated trying to figure out what happened and i delete as many as seem useless. |
| 04:58.14 | wols_ | Wyzard: why do you think vmware is the culprit and not kvm? ;) |
| 04:58.26 | Wyzard | The KVM modules apparently get auto-loaded on my system now (probably related to the kvm package update in sid the other day) so I discovered this today |
| 04:59.06 | wwasher | then i restart (or the power blinks and the UPS' battery stinks enough that it won't hold the machine up for a second) and when the reboot comes up i have no network because dhcp-client was one of those deleted. |
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| 04:59.25 | Wyzard | wols_: I suspect the problem is VMware trying to use the processor's virtualization extensions to set itself up as a hypervisor but KVM has already done so |
| 04:59.56 | Vutral | i don't think it will hardlock a amd64 |
| 05:00.11 | Wyzard | Vutral: I'm using amd64 |
| 05:00.15 | Vutral | ic |
| 05:00.18 | wols_ | wwasher: so use static IPs to gte it again |
| 05:00.19 | wwasher | wols_ yeah, i'll take a look. I've backported one or two packages when a patch I needed hadn't made it into testing. i'll have to browse what's there. thanks |
| 05:00.19 | Vutral | vmware or vmware 2 ? |
| 05:00.20 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 05:00.23 | Vutral | @ Wyzard |
| 05:00.25 | Wyzard | Vutral: Workstation 6 |
| 05:00.31 | Vutral | use vmware server 2 beta |
| 05:00.35 | Vutral | i guess that would solve |
| 05:00.47 | CompWizrd | i vaguely remember a KB on vmware's site about kvm in linux |
| 05:00.50 | wols_ | Vutral: and what makes you think that? |
| 05:00.52 | CompWizrd | might be worth checking |
| 05:00.56 | Vutral | hrhr |
| 05:00.59 | Vutral | intuition |
| 05:01.06 | wols_ | !enter |
| 05:01.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 05:01.21 | wwasher | wols_ that's how i got on now. aptitude should finsh soon |
| 05:01.21 | Wyzard | Vutral: It's not really a bug in either program; it's just that you can only have one hypervisor and both VMware and KVM want to be it |
| 05:01.44 | Vutral | well vmware server 2 supports Pacifica |
| 05:01.44 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 05:01.53 | Vutral | i got a hypervisor yet so it wouldn't work from the vm |
| 05:01.53 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 05:02.01 | wols_ | Vutral: so does vmware 6 iirc. doesn't mean it supports concurrent access to pacifica duh! |
| 05:02.14 | Vutral | well it seems to support it for me |
| 05:02.15 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 05:02.26 | Vutral | but i got a vmware-hostd |
| 05:02.29 | wols_ | do you even know what concurrent access is? |
| 05:02.30 | Vutral | and such stuff ^^ |
| 05:02.32 | Wyzard | Vutral: Pacifica is what I'm talking about... KVM uses it too |
| 05:02.34 | Vutral | vmware workstation is missing |
| 05:03.14 | Wyzard | Vutral: though in my case I'm using Intel's equivalent, Vanderpool (the KVM module is "kvm-intel") |
| 05:03.39 | Vutral | don't think it will work on a amd |
| 05:03.42 | Vutral | ^^ |
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| 05:04.17 | wols_ | !tell Vutral about enter |
| 05:04.22 | Vutral | hello enter |
| 05:04.29 | jroes | anyone know off-hand what I need to pass to 'ip route' that will show only the default route? |
| 05:04.40 | wols_ | jroes: | grep default |
| 05:04.47 | jroes | ip route list default actually shows all routes :| |
| 05:04.53 | Wyzard | Vutral: Just like you think an AMD64 wouldn't lock up using VMware and KVM together, and you think VMware Server 2.0 will fix the conflict? |
| 05:05.03 | jroes | guess I can just grep... :) |
| 05:05.16 | Vutral | my vmware 2 works |
| 05:05.20 | Wyzard | Vutral: You're giving a strong impression that you have no idea what you're talking about and just making random guesses |
| 05:05.32 | Vutral | i programmed the mirbsd arandom |
| 05:05.36 | Vutral | if you address that ^^ |
| 05:05.37 | Wyzard | Vutral: My Workstation 6 works too, as long as I don't have the kvm-intel module loaded |
| 05:05.46 | Vutral | its the best entropy source around |
| 05:05.46 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 05:07.53 | wols_ | yeah right, a PRNG being a good entropy source |
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| 05:11.32 | Lagbolt | hmm /usr/bin/drinking |
| 05:12.34 | wwasher | lagbolt: man drinking |
| 05:13.11 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 05:13.30 | Lagbolt | wwasher, cd /pub && more beer |
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| 05:14.38 | BubbaT | Where is the best place to l;ocate swap space? |
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| 05:16.04 | Wyzard | BubbaT: I generally put it at the end of the disk |
| 05:16.10 | Lionel_of_Marsei | going on with concert of "Gratefull Dead" at "Debian information Center" in Second Life |
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| 05:17.05 | Wyzard | BubbaT: That's the slowest part of the disk, which is a good choice because swapping is a big performance hit anyway, and shouldn't happen often, and it leaves the faster parts of the disk for filesystem data which is used more frequently |
| 05:17.41 | Yggdrasil | how can i use iptables to block all traffic to an interface ? |
| 05:18.42 | markybob | uh |
| 05:18.44 | markybob | ifdown ? |
| 05:18.47 | Yggdrasil | hehaha |
| 05:18.56 | Yggdrasil | thats not using iptables |
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| 05:19.47 | Wyzard | Why must you use iptables to block all traffic when it's much more straightforward to just disable the interface? |
| 05:19.47 | markybob | that's probably the dumbest thing i've heard all day. if you dont want any traffic on an interface, bring it down |
| 05:20.12 | BubbaT | Wyzard, which sectors would that be? The largest numbered ones? |
| 05:20.19 | Wyzard | BubbaT: yes |
| 05:21.16 | BubbaT | Wyzard, thanks. |
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| 05:22.15 | BubbaT | Actually some "firewalls" like shorewall let you block all traffic temporarily but also give you a configuration file to list destinations you shouldn't block. |
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| 05:25.46 | Yggdrasil | because |
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| 05:26.12 | Yggdrasil | im doing a ham radio project and , its transmitting cups, and .. i think some smb stuff |
| 05:26.15 | Yggdrasil | not really sure |
| 05:26.26 | Yggdrasil | i mean i would block everything except for one or 2 ports |
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| 05:28.02 | markybob | than that's what you should've asked. `iptables -P INPUT DROP` and then `iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 20:21 -j ACCEPT` for ports 20-21 in this example |
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| 05:28.39 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 05:28.43 | zd32nv | any of you using mplayer from d-m.net? For my lenny amd64 system, there appears to be green bars all over the movie, but when viewed with vlc, it is fine |
| 05:28.44 | Yggdrasil | im dumb |
| 05:28.45 | Wyzard | markybob: That policy applies to all interfaces though |
| 05:29.04 | zd32nv | is this an issue with (lack of suitable) codecs? |
| 05:29.07 | markybob | true. just specify it in the first |
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| 05:30.02 | Yggdrasil | iptables -P INPUT DROP sm0 ? |
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| 05:30.55 | markybob | no. you specify interface with -i (look at the second example) |
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| 05:31.32 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 05:31.53 | Yggdrasil | ok im gonan go down there and see if i can get it going. |
| 05:32.20 | Yggdrasil | too bad the wind is about to blow my antenna down |
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| 05:48.58 | nirupama | In shell scripting how to take each work froma list |
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| 05:49.09 | nirupama | example in apple,games,sports,banana |
| 05:49.16 | nirupama | how to take each work one by one |
| 05:49.31 | markybob | nirupama, for x in foo boo haa; do lalal; done |
| 05:50.03 | nirupama | markybob, that is for a small list for a huge list how to do |
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| 05:50.47 | markybob | nirupama, add them all to a file. for x in `cat foo`; do lala |
| 05:50.55 | nirupama | markybob, if suppose I store that list ina a variable called x |
| 05:51.12 | gpm | oh nice markybob |
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| 05:57.33 | amine | hello, how do I manage what gets startup on a debian dedicated server? |
| 05:57.40 | amine | (after a reboot that is) |
| 05:57.45 | markybob | man update-rc.d |
| 05:58.05 | nirupama | markybob, please check #!/bin/bash |
| 05:58.06 | nirupama | #applications=gthumb,gtkam,xsane |
| 05:58.06 | nirupama | applications=$(cat /usr/share/applications/*.desktop | grep -r "Categories=GNOME;" | wc -l) |
| 05:58.06 | nirupama | if [ $applications -eq 1 ] |
| 05:58.06 | nirupama | then |
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| 05:58.12 | nirupama | do |
| 05:58.14 | nirupama | sed -i '/'$x'/ a \ |
| 05:58.16 | nirupama | OnlyShowIn=GNOME;' /usr/share/applications/*.desktop |
| 05:58.18 | nirupama | done |
| 05:58.20 | nirupama | fi |
| 05:58.22 | nirupama | markybob, could u guess the output |
| 05:58.31 | amine | 42 |
| 05:58.32 | nirupama | markybob, I am a bit confused |
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| 06:00.11 | amine | markybob: how do I list what is currently being started on bootup? |
| 06:00.45 | gpm | !paste |
| 06:00.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:01.18 | markybob | amine, `ps aux` and see what's running? or just take a look in /etc/init.d/ ...if you dont want something in there to boot, `update-rc.d -f foo remove` |
| 06:01.59 | amine | markybob: hmm no other way? I'm just curious because I did a reboot a few minutes ago on a box that was last updated (the kernel, anyways) some 250 days ago |
| 06:02.02 | gpm | there's a nice gnome-y thing for that too |
| 06:02.12 | markybob | yeah, in gnome-system-tools |
| 06:02.27 | gpm | i dunno how it knows what is being run and what is just sitting in /etc/init.d |
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| 06:03.07 | gpm | ps i guess |
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| 06:03.46 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to add a Gnome Panel Applet using a command line? Ie by writing to a file or similar I want to create a shell script that adds all my applets for me :) |
| 06:05.02 | wols_ | gpm: runlevel. then ls -l /etc/rc<runlevel>.d/S* |
| 06:05.11 | wols_ | that'S what's supposed to be running |
| 06:06.14 | gpm | wols_: oh cool |
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| 06:06.57 | gpm | Jemt: um, when you add an applet, it should show up every subsequent time you fire up the panel until you remove it |
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| 06:07.43 | Jemt | gpm: Yes, but I have to add it manualle (right click, add applet, select applet, press OK) - I want to add it using the command line |
| 06:08.26 | linux_stu | if i do make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image in a kernel source directory, does it make a package somewhere with the kernel? |
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| 06:09.14 | markybob | linux_stu, yes. in the parent dir |
| 06:09.28 | opoftheuniverse | i am unable to send email to root@<server hostname> |
| 06:09.47 | wols_ | opoftheuniverse: you get errors. tell them |
| 06:10.03 | wols_ | opoftheuniverse: also, do you own <server hostname> ? |
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| 06:10.21 | linux_stu | markybob: thanks. that's cool... |
| 06:10.42 | opoftheuniverse | wols_: yes |
| 06:11.02 | wols_ | then tell us the errors you get and log entries about it |
| 06:11.09 | opoftheuniverse | The account or domain may not exist, they may be blacklisted, or missing the proper dns entries. |
| 06:11.23 | wols_ | check your logs |
| 06:11.53 | gpm | Jemt: oh, well you can fiddle with gconftool or gconftool-2 i think |
| 06:12.15 | gpm | Jemt: that's off the top of my head, but you'd have to read the manpages, i don't know all the ins and outs. it'd be a bitch though. |
| 06:12.17 | Jemt | gpm: Oh, very nice. I'll check those out. Thank you ! :) |
| 06:12.30 | Jemt | Really ? :-/ |
| 06:12.38 | Jemt | Oh well, worth a try :) |
| 06:12.39 | gpm | Jemt: no guarantees it'll do it fo sho, but i know you can set the background that way |
| 06:12.46 | gpm | so maybe you can fiddle with panel stuff too... |
| 06:12.53 | Jemt | Yeah, could be :) |
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| 06:12.54 | tor | Hi, i have some problems with sudo in a web application. I have a script that the www-data user executes with sudo. This have worked nicely up till now. I run this on a new platform, Debian Etch on PPC. And suddenly i get password requests in the web log. Running it on the command line as su www-data works nicely still though. Any thoughts? |
| 06:13.00 | Jemt | Appriciate your help, thanks :) |
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| 06:13.14 | gpm | Jemt: np, good luck. |
| 06:13.26 | Jemt | :) |
| 06:13.34 | meff | my thought: using sudo in a cgi is stupid |
| 06:13.43 | gpm | Jemt: there is a good #gnome too, i think it's on another network, but you might want to try that |
| 06:13.56 | gpm | yeah sudo cgi seems like a terrible idea |
| 06:14.11 | gpm | almost like you're asking to be hosed |
| 06:14.24 | tor | meff: other solutions would be? |
| 06:14.47 | meff | don't? |
| 06:14.54 | gpm | just run the script |
| 06:14.57 | gpm | why does it need sudo? |
| 06:14.58 | tor | And if you still have to? |
| 06:15.04 | gpm | why would you have to? |
| 06:15.08 | gpm | what's the script doing? |
| 06:15.17 | tor | It needs the privileges of course. |
| 06:15.27 | gpm | why?! |
| 06:15.31 | tor | Change passwords fx. |
| 06:15.34 | meff | thats asking for bad news.. |
| 06:15.41 | meff | oh jeeze. |
| 06:15.41 | tor | Depends on the environment. |
| 06:15.52 | tor | I now the implications. |
| 06:15.53 | gpm | oh he wants to change unix passwords over the web |
| 06:15.57 | markybob | no, it doesnt. that's bad, period. |
| 06:15.59 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:15.59 | gpm | he nows them! |
| 06:16.01 | markybob | use ssh |
| 06:16.03 | tor | Or localy via http. |
| 06:16.23 | tor | My question was not on security. Im aware of the problems. |
| 06:16.37 | meff | why would we help you hose your system? |
| 06:16.40 | meff | heh |
| 06:16.47 | gpm | hm |
| 06:16.49 | gpm | well if he really wanted to |
| 06:16.49 | wols_ | tor: tried suid root programs? |
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| 06:17.10 | tor | wols_: that might be a soulution. |
| 06:17.14 | gpm | is there even a way to bypass password entry with sudo? |
| 06:17.18 | wols_ | but be _rey careful_ to check your buffers.... |
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| 06:17.24 | meff | gpm: NOPASSWD |
| 06:17.30 | gpm | i love to play devil's advocate |
| 06:17.31 | gpm | ah |
| 06:17.33 | tor | But it worked nicely before. ANd suddenly stopped. |
| 06:17.44 | wols_ | tor: on etch? |
| 06:17.48 | tor | Yes. |
| 06:17.53 | tor | wols_: yes |
| 06:17.56 | gpm | did it update his sudoers file or whatever? |
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| 06:18.13 | wols_ | anyone in your apache log? |
| 06:18.41 | wols_ | I mean: has it worked on etch before? |
| 06:18.46 | gpm | man it would suck to be in a log |
| 06:19.10 | tor | wols_: localhost sudo: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost= user=www-data |
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| 06:19.29 | wols_ | tor: not an apache log |
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| 06:20.38 | tor | The normal lecture: http://pastebin.se/194714 |
| 06:21.35 | meff | should use suid cgi, and check the logs very often.. |
| 06:21.38 | meff | if anything. |
| 06:22.41 | wols_ | tor: that is no apache log either |
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| 06:22.50 | sanmarcos | what are these error messages? http://rafb.net/p/Z4y2hW11.html |
| 06:22.55 | gpm | man, if there's one thing i hate, it's getting hosed after somebody told me i'd get hosed |
| 06:22.57 | tor | meff: that could be a solution. I just got baffled over it suddenly not working. I have run that for a few years. |
| 06:23.08 | meff | :x |
| 06:23.10 | tor | wols_: yes it actually is from my error.log |
| 06:23.29 | tor | I get the whole sudo ask for password in the errorlog. |
| 06:25.10 | wols_ | so sudo ignores your NOPASSWD |
| 06:25.19 | tor | wols_: yup. |
| 06:25.30 | wols_ | it seems to be a sudo problem. you can fudge with expect I guess or find out why it does this |
| 06:26.11 | tor | wols_: the big mystery is that if i su to www-data and call "sudo application" it works. |
| 06:26.28 | tor | Could it be something with securetty? Pam or stuff like that. |
| 06:26.35 | wols_ | maybe cause apache has no console or such |
| 06:26.52 | tor | My thoughts is along those lines. |
| 06:27.07 | tor | wols_: any idea on a way to test that? |
| 06:27.10 | meff | or sudo is restricting to >=1000 UIDs |
| 06:27.48 | tor | meff: but then it would not work on cmdline |
| 06:27.54 | meff | true |
| 06:28.27 | wols_ | is very clueless about PAM |
| 06:28.37 | tor | :) |
| 06:29.17 | tor | I will have to try investigate further. But my guess is that it has something to do with ttys. |
| 06:29.33 | tor | A pity it should be so hard to track down though. |
| 06:29.53 | meff | if anything, its trying to protect you though.. |
| 06:29.57 | meff | if it was even a tty issue |
| 06:30.26 | tor | meff: sure, i agree. But to some problems its hard to find nice solutions :( |
| 06:31.41 | gpm | well, most people don't want to do this |
| 06:32.39 | tor | gpm: most certainly not. |
| 06:34.56 | gpm | anyway best of luck. |
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| 06:36.44 | linux_stu | is there a way to make the generic kernel config? i though make genkernel was it, but that didn't work |
| 06:37.44 | Caelum | linux_stu: copy a config from /boot to .config and make oldconfig |
| 06:38.32 | wols_ | linux_stu: /boot/config-* are your kernel configs |
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| 06:39.36 | Aaron_ | hey can someone pasted me there source.list please? |
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| 06:40.49 | Aaron_ | hey can someone pasted me there source.list please? |
| 06:41.23 | markybob | !sources.list |
| 06:41.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 07:07.58 | linux_stu | the default kernel config has sooooo many modules |
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| 07:17.43 | lnostdal | hello .. just a quick question about the "Software Updates" dialog in Debian .. i see linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 among the updates there .. which is great, but the "Changes" tab is empty .. and i'm curious; why the upgrade? .. no bug #'s mentioned etc. .. so i figured i'd look for a mailinglist and tried debian.devel.changes.stable but no mention of that package there .. where/how can i get this info? |
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| 07:22.03 | wols_ | http://www.us.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1588 |
| 07:22.11 | wols_ | lnostdal: ^^ |
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| 07:22.46 | lnostdal | thanks wols_ :) .. hm .. how do you find this info? |
| 07:22.59 | lnostdal | i mean -- say .. for other packages that are to be updated here also |
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| 07:23.43 | lnostdal | and in general in the future also |
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| 07:30.32 | Bushmills | lnostdal: there's a mailing list. not high traffic. receive the DSAs as email. |
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| 07:34.17 | lnostdal | ok |
| 07:37.07 | lnostdal | great, thanks .. found it on gmane; gmane.linux.debian.user.security.announce :) |
| 07:37.45 | Bushmills | debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:43.44 | micky | hello, i'm trying to implement authentication in one of my applications and i want to synchronize /etc/shadow passwords with my application, cound anyone point out how exactly /etc/shadow passwords are generated ? ( part 1 = password / part 2 = salt ) or viceversa.. where the salt is stored and so on. Thank you |
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| 07:45.32 | wols_ | micky: there is an API where you can use /etc/shadow or whatever the system uses for auth |
| 07:45.45 | wols_ | reading /etc/shadow is the worst idea |
| 07:45.53 | wols_ | first look into PAM |
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| 07:47.12 | micky | wols_ thanks |
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| 07:53.24 | Lagbolt | lala |
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| 08:02.44 | shifty | found my own answer! /etc/sysctl.conf is the file where you can tweak kernel knobs at boot time. |
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| 08:09.06 | brammator | help with localtime please? hwclock says 12:02 MSD, date says (and syslog lines) 16:02 MSD, after hwclock --hctosys it's all 12:02, but after reboot it returns to +04:00. /etc/timezone "Europe/Moscow", /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Moscow, /etc/defaults/rcS UTC=no |
| 08:09.22 | DawnLight | hello. there's an adobe flash vulnerability slashdotted. very serious, apparently. how do i check my flash version? |
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| 08:11.15 | Lagbolt | DawnLight, yeah? whats the link to that |
| 08:11.43 | Lagbolt | DawnLight, about:plugins in a browser should show you version |
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| 08:11.59 | DawnLight | Lagbolt: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/28/0138247&from=rss |
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| 08:15.14 | wols_ | DawnLight: dpkg -l |grep flash |
| 08:15.36 | wols_ | DawnLight: considering it's a zero day, there is no fix yet. only thing you can do is not use flash |
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| 08:16.22 | wols_ | brammator: check if your bootup process sets it correctly or if you have any ntp software running |
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| 08:17.21 | wols_ | brammator: oh, prbably it's your UTC settng wrong. debian asked you about that. you must have UTC=no in /etc/defoma/rcS |
| 08:17.41 | brammator | that? /etc/defaults/rcS UTC=no |
| 08:17.51 | wols_ | yes |
| 08:17.58 | brammator | already done. |
| 08:18.01 | wols_ | if that is correct, please check your timezone |
| 08:18.15 | brammator | /etc/timezone "Europe/Moscow", /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Moscow |
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| 08:19.20 | wols_ | something or other makes you use UTC |
| 08:19.34 | brammator | obviously. |
| 08:19.50 | tralala | brammator, you're not running ubuntu, are you? |
| 08:20.00 | brammator | no, debian etch |
| 08:20.42 | wols_ | actually. it's reverse utc so to speak... |
| 08:20.43 | tralala | !utc |
| 08:20.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
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| 08:21.47 | tralala | dpkg, utc ~= s/invoke-rc.d /\/etc/\init.d\/ |
| 08:21.47 | dpkg | tralala: no idea |
| 08:21.56 | tralala | dpkg, utc =~ s/invoke-rc.d /\/etc/\init.d\/ |
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| 08:22.24 | wols_ | tralala: invoke-rc.d deprecated? |
| 08:22.43 | tralala | dpkg, utc =~ s#invoke-rc.d #/etc/init.d/# |
| 08:22.43 | dpkg | OK, tralala |
| 08:22.52 | tralala | wols_, afair |
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| 08:23.59 | brammator | suddenly, "hwclock restart" voodoo helped. |
| 08:24.03 | brammator | thank you! |
| 08:24.17 | wols_ | you won't be sure until you rebooted |
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| 08:24.58 | tralala | brammator, dpkg is a good girl |
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| 08:25.43 | tralala | wols_, maybe I remember wrongly after all.. |
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| 08:26.35 | brammator | wols_ already rebooted of course |
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| 08:41.27 | dalurka | I want to build a package from source but how do I send arguments to the build? |
| 08:41.46 | dalurka | dpkg-buildpackage cant take any as far as I can see |
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| 08:44.40 | tarzeau | dalurka: yes it can, arguments to what exactly? |
| 08:44.45 | tarzeau | dalurka: look at debian/rules |
| 08:44.49 | tarzeau | dalurka: and use debuild instead |
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| 08:45.47 | dalurka | tarzeau: what's that? I can't find it in the repos |
| 08:46.02 | tarzeau | dalurka: it's in the source package |
| 08:46.09 | tarzeau | it's a file? or the debuild command? |
| 08:46.17 | dalurka | the command |
| 08:47.04 | tarzeau | dalurka: comes w/ devscripts |
| 08:47.06 | dalurka | anyway what I want to do is to build libc with --enable-static-nss |
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| 08:49.40 | sChaaa | hola |
| 08:49.56 | wols_ | then look where debian sets the configure options and set your own there |
| 08:50.21 | Lagbolt | hola |
| 08:51.04 | dalurka | wols_: yes thats why I'm asking because I can't fint it |
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| 08:53.41 | wols_ | grep -r configure * |
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| 08:54.23 | dalurka | well that just spew out an execcive amount of jarble |
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| 08:55.32 | Penix | better get to work then |
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| 08:56.33 | dalurka | could you just point me to some relevant documentation? |
| 08:56.52 | dalurka | the manpage of debuild is not helping |
| 08:56.55 | Penix | about what? adding --enable-static-nss to the configure line used in the debian package? |
| 08:57.09 | dalurka | Penix: yes please |
| 08:57.35 | Penix | dalurka: find the rules file, or whatever possibly crazy method the glibc package uses, locate the line with the configure script options, start editing |
| 08:57.36 | Jabka | What contact application can handle UTF-8 information and import kaddresbook contacts ? |
| 08:57.54 | dalurka | Penix: ok so I cant just pass the option then? |
| 08:58.03 | Penix | dalurka: I just told you how |
| 08:58.11 | dalurka | ok ok :) |
| 08:58.16 | Penix | dalurka: configure script options are usually located in the rules file |
| 08:58.22 | Rockj | anyone could help me figuring out why suddently my local dnscache (a part of tinydns/djbdns package) stopped working? |
| 08:58.44 | Penix | Rockj: maybe. it's your system. what have you changed/done recently? |
| 08:59.11 | Rockj | recently installed it, but it worked flawless the first 8 hours or so. |
| 08:59.32 | Rockj | daemontools shows it up as running and when trying to query , nothing happens in the logs |
| 08:59.39 | Rockj | but service is listning on 127.0.0.1:53 |
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| 08:59.56 | Rockj | while tinydns is listning on public-ip for my domains. (that one is working as normal) |
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| 09:02.49 | wols_ | dnscache crashed? tried restarting it? |
| 09:03.19 | Rockj | tried restarting it with svc -t /etc/service/dnscache |
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| 09:03.26 | Rockj | or that it maybe only rehashing |
| 09:04.34 | Rockj | no go.. |
| 09:04.48 | Rockj | but it shows that service is up and running .. |
| 09:09.03 | Rockj | oki, I just removed my dnscache-conf directory and reinstated it. working again now..wonder how long it will work this time |
| 09:09.17 | Rockj | it could be because I tried running some dns-traceroute thingie. :) |
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| 09:10.33 | philip76 | im just a newbie in debian i got this error |
| 09:10.38 | philip76 | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 09:10.38 | philip76 | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 09:14.02 | philip76 | i tried to update my debian and rith now i got this error |
| 09:14.04 | philip76 | http://pastebin.com/m2123eca4 |
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| 09:15.26 | A_I_ | hello |
| 09:15.48 | A_I_ | Is there an equivalence for "rpm --nodeps" with apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 09:15.59 | A_I_ | I have to downgrade a package |
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| 09:16.08 | A_I_ | with many dependencies |
| 09:16.18 | A_I_ | I don't want to uninstall them all |
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| 09:18.25 | dimir | aptitude reinstall package=version |
| 09:18.36 | dalurka | Penix: I may have found it, doing an test buold right now |
| 09:18.39 | dalurka | build |
| 09:24.07 | A_I_ | dimir no --nodeps option in the so famous and respected "apt" ? |
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| 09:27.04 | dimir | A_I_: well, what's the use of installing a package using package management the way that it will break the package DB? |
| 09:27.33 | dimir | A_I_: the dependencies need to be resolved. Period. |
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| 09:27.44 | A_I_ | there is a moutain of reason when doing dev |
| 09:27.48 | dimir | Otherwise use tarballs or something. |
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| 09:28.08 | A_I_ | especially when creating packages |
| 09:28.20 | dimir | You can try to run that aptitude command with --safe-resolver option. |
| 09:28.43 | dimir | I see no reason of breaking the package management DB even when doing dev. |
| 09:29.05 | A_I_ | I can't find "safe-resolver" in aptitude's man page |
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| 09:29.51 | dimir | I think $ man aptitude 2>&1 | col -b | grep -- ' --safe-resolver' --safe-resolver |
| 09:29.56 | A_I_ | we are 10 people here who worked on Mandrake and who recently migrate to debian and really regret "rpm --nodeps" |
| 09:30.07 | dimir | I think this is why RPM sucks that much, it is too easily breakable. |
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| 09:30.33 | dimir | Then go back to RPM. |
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| 09:30.45 | A_I_ | this means that rpm trusts the user |
| 09:30.47 | A_I_ | apt no |
| 09:30.48 | apt | YES |
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| 09:31.13 | A_I_ | we can't go back to RPM because we have to stay as closer as it can to debian |
| 09:31.38 | A_I_ | but we are approxymatively anoyed every 2 days by the lake of "--nodeps" |
| 09:31.50 | petemc | A_I_: you seem confused |
| 09:31.57 | A_I_ | and seing that dpkg hase --ignore-depends |
| 09:31.59 | petemc | dpkg has a similar option if you want to use it |
| 09:31.59 | dpkg | petemc: i haven't a clue |
| 09:32.07 | dimir | A_I_: not used to do a proper package management? |
| 09:32.08 | A_I_ | and that apt does not do that |
| 09:32.37 | A_I_ | is unbeliveable |
| 09:32.50 | petemc | A_I_: you can pass dpkg options to apt, go read the docs before you start bitching about shit you dont understand |
| 09:33.24 | sep | A_I_, the sane way to do it is to use equivs to satisfy dependencies for thing you install as source. and not fuck over the database with a hammer. (ofcourse you CAN fuck it over if that's your wish but it will only hurt you in the edn) |
| 09:33.28 | A_I_ | petemc ignore-depends need to pass the entire list of dependencies not to look to |
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| 09:33.39 | A_I_ | "--nodeps" is sufficient |
| 09:33.39 | sep | and then you come have and complain apt is stupid ofcourse and we can point and lafh :) |
| 09:34.23 | A_I_ | sep I know what I do when I uninstall a package without its dependencies, thank you |
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| 09:34.47 | dimir | "We are used to fsck up things as we work with RPM. It is not easy to break APT. This is why APT sux!" |
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| 09:35.25 | A_I_ | why while it is possible with a 200 caracters length command isn't it possible shorter ? |
| 09:35.56 | Patrick8 | characters |
| 09:36.08 | A_I_ | it does not break anything if you know what you uninstall |
| 09:36.19 | A_I_ | especially if you re-install it after ... |
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| 09:37.02 | dimir | A_I_: apt cares about dependecies more than RPM. This is why it's harder. |
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| 09:37.11 | dimir | A_I_: this is the way apt was designed. |
| 09:37.15 | dimir | A_I_: like it or not. |
| 09:37.22 | useless_k1tty | I have a network that looks like this [windoze]----eth1[Debian]eth0-------router---internet Am I needing to set up a web proxy or a NAT on the debian system, or will either do.(new to networking btw) |
| 09:37.26 | sep | A_I_, ahh like that. hmm i think that was possibe since i seam to have done it |
| 09:37.32 | A_I_ | yes but apt knows its database so well that it could automate this |
| 09:37.35 | wols_ | A_I_: first, apt is not an equivalent to rpm at all |
| 09:37.48 | wols_ | also you can give apt options for dpkg |
| 09:37.48 | wols_ | then there is equivs |
| 09:37.50 | A_I_ | wols_ really ? |
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| 09:37.53 | A_I_ | I didn't notice |
| 09:38.09 | wols_ | and last but not least if you want to fsck up the packaging system, why have one in the first place. if it's fscked up it'S useless |
| 09:38.51 | wols_ | useless_k1tty: you will need to enable ip forwarding |
| 09:39.02 | A_I_ | since people here correct me for caracter => character, what means "fscked" ? |
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| 09:39.25 | wols_ | a politically correct (sorta) way to say "fucked" |
| 09:39.32 | wols_ | it's a pun |
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| 09:40.09 | A_I_ | I don't want to f**k any database or computer device, my wife is sufficient |
| 09:40.14 | wols_ | useless_k1tty: debian/linux can then act as a switch |
| 09:40.26 | wols_ | but --nodeps does exactly that |
| 09:40.33 | myxie | hi all. quick md Q. Anyone tried writing to /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action and got device busy? kernel is stock Debian 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 09:40.49 | A_I_ | I only want to be able to uninstall quickly a package without uninstall its dependencies |
| 09:41.01 | wols_ | A_I_: why? |
| 09:41.28 | A_I_ | there are many reasons |
| 09:41.41 | wols_ | unlikely any good ones |
| 09:41.51 | useless_k1tty | wols_: ok, but will stuff sent from the internet be able to get to the windows machine? How would the debian machine know which packets are to go to the windows machine and which are for itself? |
| 09:41.59 | dimir | A_I_: you have reinstall option for that, or you can specify the version you are installing, or you can use dpkg. |
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| 09:42.05 | A_I_ | know it is that : one of the dependencies has a file I modified by hand and if I uninstall/reinstall my modif will be overwritten |
| 09:42.13 | sep | wols_, needed when replacing a critical package |
| 09:42.13 | wols_ | useless_k1tty: routing |
| 09:42.34 | sep | wols_, or your uninstall your entire package set |
| 09:42.36 | wols_ | sep: dpkg -i libc6. that's about as critical as you can get |
| 09:42.45 | wols_ | no removal necessary since dpkg does that by itself |
| 09:42.47 | sep | and there was a factoid about it when i did it |
| 09:42.55 | A_I_ | dimir to reinstall with a specified version, version must be in a repository, if it is a .deb it doesn't work yes ? |
| 09:43.15 | wols_ | A_I_: no. dpkg -i <file> always works |
| 09:43.17 | dimir | A_I_: dpkg -i yournewpackage |
| 09:43.21 | dimir | A_I_: dpkg -i yournewpackage.deb |
| 09:43.25 | dimir | it will replace |
| 09:43.30 | dimir | the current one. |
| 09:43.47 | A_I_ | dimir if version of .deb is < of installed version ? |
| 09:44.00 | wols_ | A_I_: then you properly force it |
| 09:44.06 | A_I_ | how ? |
| 09:44.14 | wols_ | dpkg --force-help |
| 09:44.14 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, wols_ |
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| 09:44.37 | wols_ | A_I_: the point is, you NEVER leave the system in an incosistent state after you#re done. never |
| 09:44.54 | A_I_ | don't worry wols_ |
| 09:44.59 | wols_ | uninstalling with --nodeps makes it very inconsistent |
| 09:45.18 | A_I_ | when I leave at the end of the day I always put my servers in a state the can have a good night |
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| 09:45.22 | wols_ | not even sure if you need to force with dpkg. dpkg is not apt |
| 09:45.29 | sep | i belived downgrade forcing was set as default so you didn't have to say it should do it |
| 09:45.30 | dimir | A_I_: dpkg -i <package.deb> --force-downgrade |
| 09:45.42 | A_I_ | ok |
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| 09:45.49 | A_I_ | thank you all for answering me |
| 09:46.02 | dimir | np |
| 09:46.32 | wols_ | A_I_: yes it can be a hassle. but that hassle also gives you boons: the "stability" of debian is one of them |
| 09:46.48 | A_I_ | but after 4 years of intensive use of RPM, it does not sucks so much, it is only less dictatorial |
| 09:47.43 | A_I_ | yes that's the endpoint of apt VS rpm I know, but if you don't play on a server (what you never should do) everything's ok |
| 09:47.57 | wols_ | unstable machines arenever OK |
| 09:48.07 | A_I_ | and stability is also a test story |
| 09:48.11 | wols_ | gets very pissed if his desktop goes tits up |
| 09:48.29 | A_I_ | and I think that debian's packages are much more tested than RH or MDV ones |
| 09:48.56 | A_I_ | ++ |
| 09:48.57 | wols_ | no. they are ported to many more archs, that's about it |
| 09:49.05 | A_I_ | yes |
| 09:49.15 | A_I_ | but that's also an occasion to test |
| 09:49.15 | wols_ | which of course helps with stability in the long run |
| 09:49.35 | A_I_ | "tests" are the worst things to do |
| 09:50.24 | A_I_ | and *the* problem in today's computer world (who tested the last kernel from A to Z ?) |
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| 09:52.54 | jct | Hello, I've got problems downloading lenny-B1-ISOs from cdimage.debian.org, it seems to be down. Is there any mirror for the testing distribution? |
| 09:53.16 | wols_ | install etch and upgrade like it's meant to be done |
| 09:53.55 | jct | Can't install etch, because it can't detect my SATA-DVD-Rom |
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| 09:54.07 | wols_ | !tell jct about kmuto |
| 09:54.12 | wols_ | that one will |
| 09:54.29 | jct | thanks |
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| 10:01.29 | slxix | Good evening. |
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| 10:01.38 | pentagram | hi |
| 10:01.47 | jct | wols_: If I understand correctly it will only use the kernel and drivers for the installation process? |
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| 10:16.01 | wols_ | jct: no. it will also install that version's kernel |
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| 10:16.27 | wols_ | jct: you can if you want still install and use the default etch kernel, however it will probably not be able to use all your hardware |
| 10:16.39 | wols_ | the hardware you use simply didn't exist when the etch kernel was written |
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| 10:20.22 | socr | I have Debian on an USB stick, to install from. Can I add some script to the stick, that will run after installation, automatically ? I want to do some adjustments, like remove packages etc, |
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| 10:23.43 | sep | socr, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 10:24.17 | sep | socr, why install the packages in the first place when you want to remove them afterwards tho |
| 10:24.59 | socr | sep: because they are installed autom. and I want stuff not in the distro added |
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| 10:30.22 | sampoo | why does logrotate report 'Re-opening all log files'? does it mean anything? |
| 10:31.04 | alturiak | that's a bug in mailman, will be fixed with the next version |
| 10:31.23 | socr | The distro is 21 ISO's these days. I need a CD to install from that is complete in itself, no sources etc. needed... which CD would I DL ? |
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| 10:32.36 | Eulex | socr, get the netinst if the box you're installing onto has a (wired or supported wireless) internet connection |
| 10:33.16 | Eulex | ... and your internet connection is decently fast, 256kbps or faster should be fine |
| 10:33.31 | socr | Eulex: ok, possibility, but I'd like to put the ISO on a USB to install from, w/o net |
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| 10:34.20 | sampoo | alturiak: was that mailman bug an answer to my question? |
| 10:34.31 | Eulex | socr, get the first cd then, optionally accompanied by the second and/or third cd. but the first one is enough for a basic installation with gui. |
| 10:34.35 | alturiak | sampoo: yeah |
| 10:34.49 | sampoo | alturiak: thanks :) |
| 10:35.01 | socr | Eulex: ok. thnx |
| 10:35.01 | wols_ | sampoo: when it rotates the old ones out, it needs to open new ones so the daemons can write to the new ones |
| 10:35.44 | wols_ | sampoo: with the netinst you have a full, but sparse debian install |
| 10:35.50 | wols_ | socr: ^^ |
| 10:36.08 | sampoo | wols_: you mean it would be something normal? i'm getting report logs mailed to me just containing that information, a little unnecessary in that case |
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| 10:36.26 | wols_ | socr: what network do you have, ie what chips/cards? |
| 10:36.40 | socr | wols_: no idea: eeepc |
| 10:36.53 | wols_ | !eee |
| 10:36.54 | dpkg | eee is, like, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc |
| 10:37.13 | Eulex | socr, yeah, the netinst provides a very basic full debian installation, without X and a desktop environment but with a full command line environment. |
| 10:38.10 | wols_ | attansic L2 and atheros. neither is in debian etch. not in the base installs |
| 10:38.30 | wols_ | newer kernels have the attansic drivers. for atheros you always need madwifi |
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| 10:39.25 | socr | wols_: I feel so lonely on debian-eeepc.... |
| 10:39.57 | craigevil | socr: are you trying to use the standard debian installer or the one from the wiki for the eeepc |
| 10:40.50 | socr | craigevil: I want to use unetbootin to make a stick So I need an ISO |
| 10:41.04 | wols_ | socr: read at least the wiki |
| 10:41.39 | socr | wols_: I did it with Ubuntu. went very smooth... but I would like Debian, same as desktop. |
| 10:42.35 | craigevil | socr: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallOnSDcardOrUsbStick, debian runs very well on the eee, less than 30 seconds to kde desktop on my 701 |
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| 10:47.33 | socr | craigevil: i use unetbootin. it's much easier to make a stick that way. Just need an ISO file |
| 10:48.03 | wols_ | athen get a kmuto installer |
| 10:48.10 | wols_ | that one has at least the proper kernel |
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| 10:49.21 | anonimus | hi, i add my username to group "adm" but i am still not able to read anything in /var/log/ why is that? :) |
| 10:50.41 | Caelum | did you relogin? |
| 10:50.42 | cloakable | anonimus: did you log out and back in to update your groups? |
| 10:50.57 | anonimus | oh, i did not |
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| 10:52.20 | anonimus | thx guys |
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| 11:14.04 | diabel- | Hi |
| 11:14.28 | diabel- | It's possible to have sha512 shadow encrypt? |
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| 11:15.13 | diabel- | for blowfish must use libpam_unix2, but what I must install to have sha512/sha256? |
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| 11:16.45 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 11:17.00 | Haris1 | on etch, with samba, I don't have pdbedit? |
| 11:17.30 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi just read a howto on how to create mrtg graphs for my localhost worked great..now I want to extend this to monitor my cisco router using this linux box..any clues ? All I found online was how to create it to monitor local resources |
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| 11:20.16 | treemonkey | i keep getting almost daily kernel updates in synaptic, where do i go to actually see changelogs for packages, especially kernel updates |
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| 11:21.41 | Penix | treemonkey: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html perhaps |
| 11:21.55 | wols_ | treemonkey: /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 11:22.37 | ChaosR | hello, because my hosting company though it would be a cool idea to make the mem burstable to 12gb, I have a slight problem with memory now (linux assign stuff to much memory, and then I run out of it). |
| 11:22.49 | ChaosR | I wondered, is it possible to set a hardlimit to memory |
| 11:23.08 | wols_ | ulimit maybe |
| 11:23.13 | ChaosR | like telling the kernel: even if there is 12gbs of memory, you can only use 384mb |
| 11:23.26 | treemonkey | ah k thx |
| 11:23.29 | wols_ | kernel parameter maybe. but: you use a VPS or such |
| 11:23.36 | treemonkey | but i havent installed it yet so its not in there |
| 11:23.43 | wols_ | there you don't have influence over the kernel |
| 11:23.45 | Penix | treemonkey: then try the site |
| 11:23.49 | treemonkey | how can i inspect or manually dl a package from synaptic or apt-get |
| 11:23.51 | treemonkey | but not install it |
| 11:23.57 | treemonkey | just to save it to a folder |
| 11:24.01 | Penix | treemonkey: apt-get -d |
| 11:24.04 | treemonkey | thx |
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| 11:24.04 | ChaosR | wols_: why wouldn't I have access to the kernel? |
| 11:24.04 | Penix | treemonkey: man apt-get etc. |
| 11:24.26 | wols_ | ChaosR: cause then the whole system breaks down. if you do you could allocate more ressources without paying |
| 11:24.36 | ChaosR | I think I have a full dedicated simulation |
| 11:24.36 | wols_ | ChaosR: you are on a shared box, right? |
| 11:24.44 | ChaosR | vmware limits the memory, right? |
| 11:24.52 | ChaosR | not the kernel |
| 11:25.01 | Penix | ChaosR: vmware sets a maximum 'physical' memory allocated for the vm |
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| 11:25.14 | wols_ | I don't know any VPS hoster that uses VMware for commercial hostimg |
| 11:25.16 | Penix | ChaosR: it doesn't tell the apps inside how much they can use |
| 11:25.25 | wols_ | UML, Virtuozzo, etc yes. VMware: no |
| 11:25.30 | ChaosR | indeed, but I, in my VPS, want to limit the memory usage to something lower |
| 11:25.58 | Penix | ChaosR: try ulimit as suggested |
| 11:26.15 | ChaosR | I have a full dedicated simulation, the only way I can tell its a vps is because it uses "virtual" in its hardware names |
| 11:27.29 | wols_ | ChaosR: uname -a |
| 11:27.46 | Haris1 | How can I use smbpasswd as auth method on samba? |
| 11:28.00 | ChaosR | Linux cortex 2.6.18-028stab053.4-PAE #1 SMP Mon Jan 14 11:49:53 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:28.32 | Penix | that there don't look like no standard debian kernel |
| 11:28.47 | wols_ | Security=user and passdb backend = tdbsam |
| 11:29.01 | ChaosR | well, I'll ask them then |
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| 11:29.18 | wols_ | ChaosR: and you cannot change this kernel or your "fully dedicated server" breaks |
| 11:29.24 | wols_ | hence: you have no power over your kernel |
| 11:29.24 | ChaosR | I need yell at them anyway, I got promised much more than I currently have |
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| 11:30.06 | ChaosR | hmm, I'm used to that virtual emulations create a full emulation of everything |
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| 11:30.25 | ChaosR | you cant even tell from inside the virtual enviroment that it is virtual |
| 11:30.26 | Penix | it depends which type of 'virtual machine' software is being used |
| 11:30.29 | ChaosR | hmm, I was wrong |
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| 11:30.55 | althaser | what happened with aptitude full-upgrade in sid ? did you realise anything ? |
| 11:31.07 | Penix | althaser: what? |
| 11:31.21 | Peanut | Err.. I'm trying to install gnuplot, on apt-get install gnuplot, I get: "setting up snmpd. <...> invoke-rc.d: initscript snmpd, action "start" failed" and then dpkg dies, apt-get dies and no gnuplot for me. Oh, and I do need that snmp, it's our SNMP graphs server. |
| 11:31.22 | treemonkey | apt-get -d packagename says invalid operation grr |
| 11:31.28 | wols_ | oh you can: try to access the hypervisor in your CPU or maybe only ring 0 instructions and you will see how virtual it is mighty quick :) |
| 11:31.31 | ChaosR | though, nowhere it says I cant use my own kernel |
| 11:31.48 | Penix | treemonkey: apt-get -d install package, which the manual would've told you |
| 11:31.50 | wols_ | Peanut: logs are wonderful |
| 11:31.57 | althaser | Penix since few weeks ago I haven't any action with full-upgrade :s |
| 11:32.09 | Penix | althaser: no new packages when you dist-upgrade? |
| 11:32.16 | ChaosR | wols_: how would I do that, heh |
| 11:32.24 | Peanut | wols_: they are, and there's quite a few of them. But fortunately the snmp graphs are still being made, so the panic is subsiding a bit already. |
| 11:32.29 | althaser | Penix yeap |
| 11:32.33 | Penix | althaser: check/change your mirror |
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| 11:32.56 | treemonkey | install and download only is contradictory |
| 11:33.01 | treemonkey | and not evident from the man page |
| 11:33.04 | Penix | treemonkey: no |
| 11:33.05 | DawnLight | in theory, any cell phone that supports bluetooth will allow me to synchronize my contacts, right? |
| 11:33.06 | treemonkey | yes |
| 11:33.19 | wols_ | DawnLight: not really |
| 11:33.28 | DawnLight | wols_: why not |
| 11:33.43 | treemonkey | 'no' is that all you can say son, you gonna have to do better than that |
| 11:33.45 | treemonkey | now suck my cock/ |
| 11:33.46 | wols_ | mobile handset makers are assholes who like proprietary shit they can sell to networks |
| 11:34.10 | Penix | pfft. glad I hadn't finished my explanation. waste of time |
| 11:34.11 | wols_ | either to bolster their own bottom line or for the bottom line of the network so they can milk you for more services |
| 11:34.45 | ChaosR | wth is wrong with this server, I got 384mb guaranteed, I'm currently using 94mb and it trowing segfaults all over the place |
| 11:34.51 | DawnLight | wols_: but... ahm... what about motorola and it's new cell phones? |
| 11:35.10 | wols_ | DawnLight: ask motorola. not #debian |
| 11:35.15 | wols_ | it's their shit |
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| 11:36.34 | cedric3 | hi all i want to activated a module on boot where is the file please i see /etc/modules but this file is for 2.4 kernel |
| 11:36.38 | cedric3 | thansk |
| 11:36.42 | cedric3 | thanks |
| 11:37.46 | xand | /etc/modules |
| 11:38.17 | xand | it's for 2.6 too |
| 11:38.23 | cedric3 | xand : thanks :) |
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| 11:41.40 | Peanut | Ok, found it - it's a snmpd-bug that's present in Etch http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/f99338cddb8dc82a |
| 11:42.01 | Peanut | hates surprises like that :-) |
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| 11:45.12 | Peanut | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.14 | Peanut | Errr |
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| 11:46.42 | slxix | wow. i just watched 70 minutes of linus talking about git. |
| 11:46.51 | slxix | that was quite an experience. :) |
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| 11:47.38 | ekimus_ | hi, anybody has insight on why debian-administration.org is down? |
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| 11:50.41 | Banoof | Hi, I'm trying to sample a sarge server through SNMP using an avalon server and I can't get it to work |
| 11:51.12 | Banoof | The SNMP server is running, configured to the avalon server as a permitted client, and I'm not behing any software or hardware firewall |
| 11:51.32 | tor | wols_: regarding my sudo problem earlier today. As usual the error was located between the screen and keyboard. |
| 11:51.48 | wols_ | ain't it always? what was it? |
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| 11:53.30 | tor | wols_: copy and paste between to many sourcefiles. Resulting in a missing define and thus me calling the wrong application :( |
| 11:53.58 | tor | wols_: i even printed the sudo line and missed it. Well, there goes a god half days of work.... |
| 11:54.23 | tor | wols_: thx for your time anyway. |
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| 11:55.41 | kornerr | hi |
| 11:56.08 | kornerr | do there exist 'contents of the dvds' somewhere? |
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| 12:00.23 | CharminTheMoose | kornerr, yeah the internet |
| 12:00.28 | CharminTheMoose | try ftp.debian.orgb |
| 12:00.32 | CharminTheMoose | *ftp.debian.org |
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| 12:00.48 | kornerr | contents of individual dvds? |
| 12:00.52 | kornerr | or just all packages? |
| 12:01.04 | CharminTheMoose | all packages |
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| 12:01.29 | kornerr | I want contents of the dvds |
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| 12:10.50 | wij32 | hey |
| 12:11.30 | wij32 | im having trouble with my partitions, i already have windows which i want to leave as it is...so in the boot menu, the only guided help is full overwrite, |
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| 12:12.27 | wij32 | if anyone could advise that would be great |
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| 12:13.07 | Bushmills | wij32: advice: desribe your problem |
| 12:13.11 | Bushmills | describe |
| 12:13.21 | wij32 | ok one sec.. |
| 12:13.38 | Bushmills | not everybody owns a crystal ball, you know? |
| 12:13.41 | wij32 | when i get to the partition section of install. i get guided (entire disk) or manual |
| 12:13.52 | wij32 | so i want manual to leave my windows partition there right? |
| 12:14.22 | wij32 | and #6 and #7 are my nix and swap partitions.. |
| 12:14.35 | wij32 | so what do i need to do to these? i did have gentoo on them |
| 12:14.47 | Bushmills | wij32: does windows patition take up your whole hard disk? |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | select them as / and swap |
| 12:15.08 | wij32 | no, i have like 6 paritions, think its my windows, linux and some dell utility stuff :/ |
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| 12:15.19 | abrotman | blames Dell |
| 12:15.23 | Bushmills | wij32: fine. manual. |
| 12:15.39 | wij32 | do i need to set bootable flag on #6? |
| 12:15.43 | Bushmills | not needed |
| 12:15.51 | wij32 | or erase data on this partition? |
| 12:15.52 | Bushmills | linux boot loader doesn't care |
| 12:16.01 | wij32 | USe as: |
| 12:16.10 | abrotman | you likely want to erase the data .. but make sure it's the right partition |
| 12:16.34 | wij32 | i have #6 logical 105.5gb ext3 |
| 12:16.42 | wij32 | my windows is #2 |
| 12:16.45 | wij32 | not sure on the others |
| 12:16.49 | wij32 | #7 is swap |
| 12:17.23 | wij32 | so i guess how do i set #6 as / |
| 12:17.38 | wij32 | is it in the USe as: |
| 12:17.42 | Bushmills | that'll be your only linux partition? |
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| 12:17.59 | wij32 | yes i only have one linux partition |
| 12:18.02 | Bushmills | ok |
| 12:18.08 | wij32 | thats ok? |
| 12:18.31 | Bushmills | because, for "just" root, and having sizeable stuff on other partitions, 100 gb is a bit large |
| 12:18.51 | wij32 | oh |
| 12:18.57 | wij32 | should split it up? |
| 12:19.05 | wij32 | im prety new, so i usually just use the one |
| 12:19.11 | Bushmills | as it is your only linux partition, you're fine. |
| 12:19.17 | wij32 | ok |
| 12:19.44 | wij32 | jus erasing the data on #6 now then |
| 12:20.03 | Bushmills | splitting makes probably more sense with more than 1 disk. |
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| 12:22.17 | wij32 | so is there something i need to do at this stage to let debian know to install to #6? |
| 12:22.44 | Bushmills | abrotman: dell is sued for deceit, i just read. |
| 12:22.55 | abrotman | eh? |
| 12:23.26 | Bushmills | for charging services they never delivered |
| 12:23.32 | wols_ | they did a bait and switch with credits |
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| 12:23.54 | wols_ | advertising zero rates, but only handing out contracts with up to 20% interest |
| 12:23.57 | abrotman | you mean .. like functional hardware? :) |
| 12:24.15 | wols_ | services. hardware is a tangible thing |
| 12:24.24 | abrotman | sees the story on CNN |
| 12:24.29 | abrotman | wols_: it was a joke |
| 12:24.37 | wols_ | stuff like making the user do warranty repairs themselves, hanging up on the paid helpline |
| 12:25.26 | Bushmills | abrotman: consider to put <abrotman-joke> ... </abrotman-joke> |
| 12:25.33 | Bushmills | dpkg, SYRP |
| 12:25.34 | dpkg | syrp is probably a high viscosity substance abrotman needs with WAFL and RAID6 |
| 12:26.15 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
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| 12:26.27 | abrotman | it's much less funny in retrospect :) |
| 12:28.04 | Bushmills | or some mode indicator in your nick |
| 12:28.18 | abrotman | all i have available is a 'hat' |
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| 12:32.34 | Bushmills | gives abrotman a pair of socks |
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| 12:42.17 | plan7 | hi all |
| 12:42.23 | Warddr | hello plan7 |
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| 12:42.53 | plan7 | I thought there's a default basic development package (gcc and libraries, manpages etc.) but can't remember the name :D anyone an idea? |
| 12:43.20 | cloakable | I thought it was plan9? |
| 12:43.23 | cloakable | ;p |
| 12:43.27 | plan7 | that's the OS, right :D |
| 12:43.29 | petemc | plan7: build-essential |
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| 12:43.47 | plan7 | petemc: hmpf, no wonder I couldn't find anything via apt-cache or on google :D thanks! |
| 12:44.22 | petemc | what would you expect it to be called, ooi? |
| 12:44.54 | plan7 | well, was looking for something with dev/develop/development or whatever in it...not build :D |
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| 12:45.17 | abrotman | plan9 is better! |
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| 12:45.36 | wij32 | ok. so do i need to do anything to let debian know that #6 is where i want debian installed/ |
| 12:45.39 | wij32 | or will it just know? :) |
| 12:45.47 | plan7 | abrotman: hmpf |
| 12:45.53 | abrotman | if you tell it to use #6 .. that's what it will use |
| 12:45.59 | abrotman | plan7: sorry :) |
| 12:46.00 | wij32 | abrotman: how do i tell it that? |
| 12:46.06 | abrotman | didn't you already do that? |
| 12:46.07 | wij32 | in the USE as: |
| 12:46.08 | wij32 | field? |
| 12:46.09 | plan7 | abrotman: not to worry ;) |
| 12:46.10 | Bushmills | wij32: you'll have to select it, when asked which partition you want to use for root |
| 12:46.24 | wij32 | ah, ok, after this stage? guess thats in the next step |
| 12:46.30 | Bushmills | (mayve it picks it automatically if you only have one ext2/3) |
| 12:46.46 | wij32 | ok, will soon see, fingers on the buzzers!!! |
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| 12:47.45 | wij32 | debians pretty cool isnt it. |
| 12:47.56 | Bushmills | define "cool" |
| 12:48.04 | wij32 | well i enjoy using it. |
| 12:48.29 | wij32 | Ive been pretty busy latelly but now that i have more time im gonna try to leave my windows partition alone for a while |
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| 12:48.38 | abrotman | Bushmills: below room temperature? |
| 12:49.08 | Bushmills | abrotman: trying to make sense from "debian's temperature is below ambient" |
| 12:49.27 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:52.01 | alexdb | cool = immune of pressure from being late |
| 12:52.06 | antgel | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479771 is killing me, very bad for my rsi having to keep pressing keys to get them to repeat. is there any way i can tweak the autorepeat without changing xorg.conf and restarting x? *sigh* |
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| 12:52.32 | amphi | antgel: xset? |
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| 12:53.28 | wij32 | abrotman: my #6 should be ext2? |
| 12:53.47 | wij32 | and mount point "/" |
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| 12:53.59 | antgel | amphi: beautiful! you have no idea about the difference you just made to my quality of life. thanks |
| 12:54.25 | antgel | (if you want to try it, just xset -r and see how long before you want to chuck the keyboard out the window) |
| 12:54.31 | amphi | heh, you're welcome |
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| 12:55.46 | Banoof | hi, I just installed snmpd from apt and for some reason it's not running wekk |
| 12:55.47 | Banoof | well |
| 12:56.01 | BubbaT | I'm going through a debian setup, they are hinting that I should set up a separate /srv partition. Does anyone do this? |
| 12:56.02 | Banoof | The process is running but it's not listening |
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| 12:56.15 | Banoof | BubbaT: Never have |
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| 12:56.30 | Banoof | I do recommend a seperate var partition with JFS |
| 12:56.44 | liable | snarfed |
| 12:57.48 | Banoof | snarfed? |
| 12:57.56 | Banoof | Are you a thunder cat or something? |
| 12:57.58 | liable | echan |
| 12:58.25 | BubbaT | Banoof, I use a separate partition for /var and /var/cache both XFS. |
| 12:58.36 | Banoof | Good |
| 12:58.55 | wij32 | tasksel "laptop" selection installs thing like power management and such does it? |
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| 13:01.37 | hark | wij32: see what it installs with: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
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| 13:10.10 | ^Timo | Morning guys |
| 13:10.32 | ^Timo | quick question i want to know with which command i can see howmuch free space there is left on my computer |
| 13:10.36 | ^Timo | anyone can tell? |
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| 13:10.45 | Banoof | OK |
| 13:10.53 | BubbaT | What sort of space. |
| 13:10.54 | Banoof | whenever I manually start snmpd it listens well |
| 13:11.27 | Banoof | But when I use /etc/init.d/snmpd start, it only listens to localhost |
| 13:11.42 | ^Timo | got it |
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| 13:12.09 | Banoof | I couldn't find any exceptional flags in the init script, so I guess it's a start-stop-deamon issue |
| 13:12.25 | stew | ^Timo: df -h |
| 13:12.54 | ^Timo | got it stew :=) |
| 13:13.12 | ^Timo | stew : another question i can't write to my config file anymore it says |
| 13:13.46 | ^Timo | nvm |
| 13:14.00 | ^Timo | ah |
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| 13:14.07 | ^Timo | write error in swap file |
| 13:14.16 | ^Timo | what can i do about that |
| 13:14.20 | ^Timo | sec |
| 13:15.32 | theholyduck | ^Timo, df -h should give you how much diskspace you have and how much is used |
| 13:16.26 | Bushmills | but he didn't ask "remaining on disk", but wanted to know "on the computer". i ruler may be appropriate. |
| 13:16.36 | Bushmills | a ruler ... |
| 13:16.51 | theholyduck | :D |
| 13:17.01 | theholyduck | well i dont think hes THAT stupid |
| 13:17.04 | theholyduck | i might be wrong though |
| 13:17.19 | ^Timo | yeye |
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| 13:17.41 | ^Timo | i meanth hdds |
| 13:17.43 | ^Timo | :=P |
| 13:17.53 | Peanut | Would pwgen generated passwords also be affected by Debian's less-than-random-number-generator? |
| 13:18.37 | stew | Peanut: no |
| 13:18.38 | joltcan | Peanut: I don't think pwgen uses openssl at all |
| 13:19.13 | ^Timo | ok |
| 13:19.16 | Peanut | Ah, you're right, it's not even liked to libopenssl, or at least not dynamically. |
| 13:19.21 | ^Timo | i must clear my swap files |
| 13:19.27 | ^Timo | file* |
| 13:19.38 | ^Timo | of my /etc/network/interface |
| 13:19.47 | ^Timo | i can't change it it gives errors |
| 13:19.48 | BubbaT | The hardest part of setting up a new computer. Figuring out a name for it. |
| 13:19.57 | ^Timo | lol |
| 13:20.12 | Sling | just call it fritzl |
| 13:20.22 | Peanut | Obscure StarTrek planets? Obscure StarTrek characters? Obscure StarTrek vehicles? |
| 13:20.25 | flokuehn | !lol |
| 13:20.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:20.49 | ^Timo | anyone can tell me how i can fix the problem of the swap issue |
| 13:20.53 | theholyduck | BubbaT, i just pick anime characters at random |
| 13:21.02 | theholyduck | works fine |
| 13:21.11 | xsdg | BubbaT: just use some theme and it'll be easy |
| 13:21.20 | xsdg | BubbaT: I name mine after programming languages |
| 13:21.36 | theholyduck | wich reminds me, |
| 13:21.36 | joltcan | Peanut: pwgen uses /dev/urandom, so that should be random enough for ye |
| 13:21.37 | alexdb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.43 | Bushmills | i try to pick names which correspond somehow with the machine |
| 13:21.59 | theholyduck | i need to figure out a name for the new box im buying |
| 13:22.02 | theholyduck | a quad core "laptop" |
| 13:22.04 | Bushmills | makes it easier to know what machine i refer to when using its name |
| 13:22.26 | BubbaT | xsdg, the problem with themes is that I've used up all the good ones on my passwords. |
| 13:22.28 | Bushmills | resulting in boring name like "gateway" and such |
| 13:22.44 | Bushmills | the firewall is "pitbull" |
| 13:22.45 | ^Timo | alexdb : serieusly ? must i shut it off? |
| 13:22.58 | theholyduck | ^Timo, no.. |
| 13:22.58 | xsdg | BubbaT: that's more than I need to know about your passwords, I think |
| 13:23.05 | theholyduck | swapoff /dev/whateverswap |
| 13:23.13 | ^Timo | ok. |
| 13:23.21 | theholyduck | then reformat the swap or simelar |
| 13:23.26 | theholyduck | like mkswap /Dev/whateverswap |
| 13:23.27 | BubbaT | xsdg, as long as I don't tell you the themes.... |
| 13:23.34 | theholyduck | then swapon /dev/whateverswap |
| 13:23.43 | theholyduck | that might fix it |
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| 13:24.34 | BubbaT | Bushmills, my first thought was to call it main. but I realize that in a few years it won't be my main computer anymore. |
| 13:25.00 | theholyduck | BubbaT, call it han solo then. |
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| 13:25.06 | theholyduck | just pick some character at random |
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| 13:25.57 | ^Timo | theholyduck : how can i turn my swap of from the /network/interfaces |
| 13:25.57 | theholyduck | 's boxes are nanoha,fate,hayate,saber and rin |
| 13:26.03 | ^Timo | don't know the swp file or something |
| 13:26.18 | theholyduck | errr..wut? |
| 13:26.30 | theholyduck | does not speak moonspeek |
| 13:26.36 | jelly | ^Timo: your question makes no sense |
| 13:26.42 | ^Timo | ye |
| 13:26.52 | wols_ | ^Timo: man swapoff |
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| 13:27.00 | Bushmills | BubbaT: probably depends on how many machines you need to name. if there's not too many of the same brand, manufacturer names work nicely. though, mine is still "shuttle" while it isn't a shuttle barebone anymore for 5 years ... soltek now but still no name change. i don;t care for "fancy" name. just names which let me know what machine it is are fine. |
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| 13:27.36 | alexdb | once i called a host: masta , it was a web server for the lan, but on systems without the good subdomain search, browser automatically called masta.com which was an ugly SM site ... |
| 13:27.54 | Bushmills | and i don't give names to cars :) |
| 13:28.20 | jelly | Bushmills: cars don't need them |
| 13:28.39 | slxix | i like to name computers after IP addresses, much like ISP's assign. |
| 13:28.42 | Bushmills | jelly, true, but many people give their cars names |
| 13:28.57 | slxix | makes me wonder why they even both with DNS sometimes. |
| 13:28.59 | jelly | Bushmills: never met one |
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| 13:29.13 | slxix | s/both/bother/ |
| 13:29.49 | jelly | slxix: 64.233.167.99 is your friend |
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| 13:30.00 | Bushmills | slxix: ip addresses may change, while names can remains fixed |
| 13:30.20 | Industrial | Hello. How to I seach through local files with apt? Like pacman -Qs in archlinux .. |
| 13:30.47 | antilochus | no idea what pacman -Qs does, but look at apt-file |
| 13:30.49 | slxix | Bushmills: I don't actually name computers like that, but I tend to assign ip addresses by birth years. ;) |
| 13:31.04 | ^Timo | ok guys i don't know what to do have readed man swapoff somehow its giving errors when i try to change something on my system |
| 13:31.09 | Bushmills | Industrial: how do you cut a slice of bread with a hair dryer? |
| 13:31.47 | Industrial | Bushmills: seeing as apt-cache search <regex> searches though all packages and It is in fact a package mamager i thought maybe it could also search through local packages |
| 13:31.48 | slxix | Bushmills: Trick question. It's already a slice. :) |
| 13:32.00 | antilochus | very zen Bushmills |
| 13:32.10 | Bushmills | Industrial: "searching through local files" |
| 13:32.27 | Industrial | Bushmills: Am I not making sense? |
| 13:32.43 | pumpkin0 | Industrial: local packages or local files ? |
| 13:32.47 | Industrial | packages. |
| 13:32.48 | alexdb | ^Timo: it gives you random errors, or just error when you try to edit files with vi ? |
| 13:32.55 | Bushmills | Industrial: could be that you left something out in your question. or assume that evertbosy knows what pacman does. |
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| 13:33.16 | ^Timo | just errors when i try to change file with vi |
| 13:33.17 | slxix | !search |
| 13:33.17 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 13:33.21 | ^Timo | vim* |
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| 13:33.23 | Industrial | Bushmills: that was just an example. pacman is also a package manager |
| 13:33.40 | ^Timo | this error appears |
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| 13:34.02 | Bushmills | i don't know about pacman -Qs, so i don't know what result you expect. i understand only "searching through files" |
| 13:34.07 | stew | Industrial: what do you mean by 'local packages'? |
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| 13:34.15 | Industrial | stew: things i have installed |
| 13:34.17 | ^Timo | ./etc/network/interfaces" E514: write error (file system full?) |
| 13:34.17 | pumpkin0 | Industrial: dpkg -S <file-you-want> |
| 13:34.18 | Bushmills | and apt is not a tool to search through files. grep is often used for that. |
| 13:34.24 | stew | Industrial: and you want to search them for what? |
| 13:34.39 | Industrial | Bushmills: quit the snarky comments and dont take my obviously wrong first question so literally. |
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| 13:34.58 | stew | Industrial: you want to search for files in the packages? through the descriptions of the packages? what? |
| 13:35.25 | Bushmills | Industrial: as i'm the only one not knowing what you intend to do. |
| 13:35.30 | Industrial | descriptions of packages, what apt-get search foo would give you but only resulsts of packages that are installed. |
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| 13:35.42 | ^Timo | alexdb : how can i fix it ? /etc/network/interfaces" E514: write error (file system full?) |
| 13:35.43 | pumpkin0 | Industrial: you have installed packages X, Y and Z. And you want to know if file XYZ belongs to X, Y or Z, right? |
| 13:35.56 | stew | Industrial: aptitude search '~iwhatever' |
| 13:35.57 | Industrial | no, just if package X Y or Z are installed |
| 13:36.04 | slxix | 215.80-203-18.nextgentel.com has address 80.203.18.215 |
| 13:36.19 | slxix | DNS is so useless sometimes. :) |
| 13:36.50 | woden1 | Hi, running Lenny. Hi, when I plug in my Logitech G15 USB Laser mouse to my Gateway laptop, I can no longer left-click with either the touchpad or the mouse. But if I do not have the mouse plugged in, the touchpad works correctly. Here is my xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/4482 |
| 13:36.52 | antilochus | Industrial: that's easy aptitude show package x y z |
| 13:36.53 | pumpkin0 | Industrial: "dpkg -s <package-name>" It shows the status (like installed, not installed,...). |
| 13:37.03 | Industrial | thanks |
| 13:37.05 | antilochus | or what pumpkin0 said |
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| 13:37.10 | BubbaT | Oh wow. |
| 13:37.11 | ^Timo | anyone else know how ? |
| 13:37.11 | BubbaT | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1178.html |
| 13:37.16 | twobitwork | what's the most barebones window manager? |
| 13:37.21 | BubbaT | There is an rfc on naming computers. |
| 13:37.29 | amphi | BubbaT: heh |
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| 13:37.32 | stew | ^Timo: remove some files to make more space |
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| 13:37.54 | ^Timo | lol |
| 13:37.56 | ^Timo | hmm.. |
| 13:37.58 | ^Timo | only |
| 13:38.01 | pumpkin0 | ^Timo: run "df -h". Is your /-partition full ? |
| 13:38.03 | alexdb | ^Timo: use df -h to see how much space is left on / , if it full delete somes files, if it's not run fsck |
| 13:38.08 | Bushmills | twobitwork: there are several. tinywm is fairly minimal |
| 13:38.09 | ^Timo | no |
| 13:38.10 | ^Timo | only |
| 13:38.22 | antilochus | twobitwork: openbox is probably not the most barebones, but it's spare and fast and very clean |
| 13:38.30 | antilochus | highly recommend it |
| 13:38.30 | ^Timo | rootfs mounted as . |
| 13:38.32 | ^Timo | rootfs mounted as / |
| 13:38.36 | twobitwork | antilochus: yeah, I was looking at that one |
| 13:38.37 | Bushmills | twobitwork: and larswm, w9wm, evilwm |
| 13:38.52 | Bushmills | ratpoison |
| 13:38.58 | twobitwork | my reason is that I have a VM which is only going to run one program so I don't really need much of a wm |
| 13:39.07 | slxix | BubbaT: That RFC could use updating. ;) |
| 13:39.12 | ^Timo | what does rootfs ? |
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| 13:39.59 | Bushmills | twobitwork: then you won't need a wm, i think. just start your session with xterm, or rxvt, or such. |
| 13:40.13 | ^Timo | ah root file system is full |
| 13:40.47 | twobitwork | Bushmills: true... I could do that... |
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| 13:41.19 | Bushmills | other than that, tinywm is just about 4 kbytes |
| 13:41.24 | Enverex | What's the easiest way to browse the experimental repo? |
| 13:42.01 | alexdb | ^Timo: looks like you're stuck in the temp root files system of the initrd image and your system did not make the pivot root correctly |
| 13:42.17 | wols_ | Enverex: download the packages file and look into it |
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| 13:42.26 | twobitwork | Enverex: point your browser at the URL for the repo |
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| 13:42.45 | ^Timo | alexdb : ok. well is there a way to fix it ? |
| 13:42.47 | twobitwork | and then, what wols_ said |
| 13:42.57 | Enverex | twobitwork, Forgot about that, thanks |
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| 13:43.58 | pozic | Is there a program that can follow all the links on a https page generated as a result of a query and download everything on it recursively? wget -r doesn't seem to work. |
| 13:44.05 | alexdb | ^Timo: do you know what should be your real root partition ? |
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| 13:44.53 | twobitwork | pozic: that could be dangerous... you might end up downloading the whole internets |
| 13:45.09 | pozic | twobitwork: ok, on one domain, then. |
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| 13:45.13 | twobitwork | :) |
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| 13:45.28 | pumpkin0 | pozic: why/how does wget fail? |
| 13:45.34 | ^Timo | alexdb : i just installed it and my system whas down for about 1/2 year |
| 13:45.49 | ^Timo | now i started it again and try to fix the netword config |
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| 13:46.02 | ^Timo | i don't know should i paste df -h ? |
| 13:46.32 | wols_ | !pastebin |
| 13:46.32 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:46.38 | Bushmills | nah. if you can see that you have space free that is enough |
| 13:46.46 | pumpkin0 | pozic: the page may be using cookies for login/auth. You have to pass the cookie to wget so it can log in too. |
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| 13:46.57 | pozic | pumpkin0: I believe there's a robot.txt file. |
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| 13:47.12 | pozic | pumpkin0: but the directory I am interested in is not in the robot.txt file. |
| 13:47.14 | pumpkin0 | pozic: wget does not care about robot.txt. |
| 13:47.17 | alexdb | ^Timo: type: mount and copy also the output to pastebin |
| 13:47.19 | twobitwork | pozic: ohh yeah, and there might be a referrer issue... not sure how wget handles that |
| 13:47.46 | wij32 | what packages include the command visduo? im root and dont have it |
| 13:47.51 | ^Timo | alexdb : mount and copy ? :=/ |
| 13:48.22 | stew | pumpkin0: yes it does |
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| 13:48.36 | Bushmills | wij32: try with correct spelling |
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| 13:48.54 | wij32 | yes sorry, same |
| 13:48.55 | alexdb | ^Timo: type: mount and copy the output to pastebin |
| 13:48.59 | wij32 | command not found |
| 13:49.35 | Bushmills | wij32: install apt-file |
| 13:49.41 | Bushmills | that can tell you |
| 13:50.33 | Enverex | Does anyone happen to have packages for Catalyst 8.5 for x86_64? |
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| 13:51.40 | Bushmills | wij32: what distribution is that? |
| 13:51.44 | twobitwork | wij32: the "sudo" package should have visudo |
| 13:51.51 | twobitwork | (at least, here on lenny) |
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| 13:52.13 | pozic | twobitwork: does wget operate in a BFS fashion? |
| 13:52.21 | ^Timo | alexdb : http://paste.lisp.org/display/61356 |
| 13:52.39 | twobitwork | pozic: I have no idea |
| 13:52.51 | ^Timo | i don't have copy installed i guess |
| 13:53.02 | pozic | twobitwork: maybe the recursion depth is too low. |
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| 13:53.23 | twobitwork | pozic: *shrug* |
| 13:54.10 | twobitwork | I only use wget to download tarballs when I want them somewhere other than my downloads directory....... |
| 13:54.39 | theholyduck | twobitwork, i use wget to resume DL's when firefox/etc wont |
| 13:54.48 | theholyduck | and yeah. it happens |
| 13:54.58 | twobitwork | yeah, that too |
| 13:55.07 | JyZyXEL | what was the name of that ridicilous window manager |
| 13:55.15 | Enverex | KDE? |
| 13:55.15 | pozic | xmonad? |
| 13:55.17 | Enverex | :P |
| 13:55.19 | twobitwork | its also nice when I want to download onto another box that you're ssh'd into |
| 13:55.21 | slxix | wmii |
| 13:55.24 | pozic | ratpoison? |
| 13:55.25 | theholyduck | dwm? |
| 13:55.32 | twobitwork | lmao |
| 13:55.37 | pozic | See Wikipedia list of Window managers.... |
| 13:55.42 | JyZyXEL | dwm and wmii are awesome |
| 13:55.49 | Bushmills | oh ... after microsoft has been heavily fined in Europe (with more to come proably), intel is targetted too now. |
| 13:55.53 | JyZyXEL | i mean the one that makes "the cube" |
| 13:55.57 | theholyduck | compiz |
| 13:56.00 | JyZyXEL | thats it |
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| 13:56.15 | DawnLight | wols_: so i go to a cellular operator and the phone technicians don't know what standards are |
| 13:56.21 | JyZyXEL | haha bouncy windows |
| 13:56.35 | slxix | dwm confused the heck out of me after using wmii. they seem very similar. :) |
| 13:56.53 | alexdb | ^Timo: ok , you hav to figure on wich partition your / should be, might be hda1 , hda2 or hda3 |
| 13:56.56 | JyZyXEL | wmii is win |
| 13:56.58 | pozic | twobitwork: I solved the wget problem. |
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| 13:57.11 | pozic | twobitwork: recursion depth was the problem. |
| 13:57.13 | twobitwork | !beer pozic |
| 13:57.14 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for pozic |
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| 13:57.23 | abbe | hi channel |
| 13:57.25 | Bushmills | "threatened by fine which may account to billions (of $/EUR)" |
| 13:57.29 | pozic | !cheers twobitwork |
| 13:57.42 | abbe | I'm running Debian Etch and have just setup an OpenLDAP instance on it. |
| 13:57.50 | abbe | I'm having an issue with my openldap server |
| 13:58.28 | Enverex | Is there any good reason to use LDAP? It seems... like a good idea (for say address books for email) but when you try and use it it seems horribly lacking or very fiddly to use |
| 13:58.31 | abbe | whenever I do 'ldapsearch -xLLL' it returns all entries, but when I do 'ldapsearch -b ou=people,dc=organization,dc=tld -xLLL "(uid=mikeab)"' it returns no records |
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| 13:59.06 | abbe | although there is a dn:uid=mikeab,ou=people,dc=organization,dc=tld is present |
| 13:59.16 | alexdb | ^Timo: create a directory in /tmp. something like mkdir /tmp/hdtest then try to mount partiton on it mount /dev/hda1 /tmp/hdtest |
| 13:59.26 | joltcan | abbe: tried to just search for uid=mikeab? |
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| 13:59.29 | abbe | Enverex: centralized authentication |
| 13:59.32 | abrotman | abbe: there is an ldap channel |
| 13:59.41 | abbe | abrotman: I'm on #openldap |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | abbe: and #ldap |
| 13:59.47 | Bushmills | fine could be up to 3.9 billion $ |
| 13:59.50 | abbe | joltcan: you mean without any base |
| 13:59.54 | joltcan | abbe: It could also be that you have not index the uid, so you might need to search for the whole dn |
| 13:59.57 | joltcan | abbe: yeah |
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| 14:00.05 | Enverex | Is LDAP for email address books a good idea or is it just generally too messy? |
| 14:00.06 | alexdb | ^Timo if it mount correctly do a ls /tmp/hdtest to see what on it |
| 14:00.16 | joltcan | Enverex: If you are not good at ldap, it is to messy |
| 14:00.32 | abbe | joltcan: how to rebuild index ? I think I changed indexing parameters after adding entries |
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| 14:00.55 | abrotman | Enverex: it's great .. as long as you accept that most thick email clients have no write ability |
| 14:01.10 | brainsoft | can unlimited faxes be sent using foip? I mean if you can send free faxes through the net if you code it |
| 14:01.16 | abbe | joltcan: I got it slapindex |
| 14:01.21 | BubbaT | Is there a limit on how big a linux swap partiiton can be? |
| 14:01.30 | abrotman | 2GB |
| 14:01.32 | pozic | BubbaT: yes |
| 14:01.35 | joltcan | abbe: try adding index uid pres,eq to slapd.conf |
| 14:01.35 | Enverex | abrotman, ugh... useful :/ Ok thanks |
| 14:01.39 | netdaemon | abrotman: mines 4 :P |
| 14:01.49 | abrotman | netdaemon: you can have more than 1 2GB partition |
| 14:01.56 | Bushmills | BubbaT: you can have more than 1 swap |
| 14:02.00 | abrotman | last i knew it was 2GB |
| 14:02.00 | DawnLight | does anyone know of a cell phone that syncs in etch? |
| 14:02.03 | netdaemon | but swap only sees 2? |
| 14:02.08 | BubbaT | Funny. Debian allows me to allocate 4. OK thanks. |
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| 14:02.20 | pozic | I configured 2.5GB and it seemed to use all of it? |
| 14:02.22 | abrotman | guess it's up to 4 then .. |
| 14:02.30 | BubbaT | s/Debian/Debian setup/ |
| 14:02.35 | netdaemon | i really don't need that much but i figured i need to at least have as much swap as i do ram |
| 14:02.36 | abrotman | netdaemon: it used to be that if you wanted more .. you'd make more than one .. and it would just use them |
| 14:02.59 | netdaemon | abrotman: things change so fast it's hard to keep up |
| 14:03.10 | abbe | joltcan: thanks slapindex-ing worked :) |
| 14:03.22 | stew | you can create large swap partitions where most of the space is not usable |
| 14:03.48 | netdaemon | i'll see how much swap i have available just in case... |
| 14:03.54 | stew | and the usable size depends on multiple factors, like page size and maybe arch |
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| 14:04.22 | pozic | 4GB is a fairly low limit, but anyone needing more would probably implement application specific swap strategies. |
| 14:04.37 | netdaemon | yep, all 4 is there |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | low limit on swap ? |
| 14:04.46 | pozic | The Gimp does that too, IIRC. |
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| 14:04.53 | ^Timo | alexdb : can i come private so we can try to fix it it a bit confusing and i am queit in a hurry so. |
| 14:05.04 | Bushmills | if my machine needed 4 gb swap, i'd add RAM |
| 14:05.05 | abrotman | better to keep it here |
| 14:05.09 | BubbaT | The rule used to be twice as much swap as memory. |
| 14:05.28 | stew | ah, "The maximum useful size of a swap area depends on the architecture and the kernel version. It is roughly 2GiB on i386, PPC, m68k, ARM, 1GiB on sparc, 512MiB on mips, 128GiB on alpha and 3TiB on sparc64. For kernels after 2.3.3 there is no such limitation." |
| 14:05.45 | stew | its probably safe to assume his is on kernel 2.3.3 or later |
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| 14:06.21 | joltcan | :) |
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| 14:06.47 | joltcan | usually there is no point having more swap than memory, if you don't want a really sluggish system. |
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| 14:07.13 | twobitwork | how would having more swap than memory cause your system to be sluggish? |
| 14:07.39 | Bushmills | by running apps for which you don't have enough RAM for |
| 14:07.54 | Bushmills | (otherwise you'd not need more swap than RAM) |
| 14:07.55 | netdaemon | if you have a swappy kernel, disk IO is slower than RAM so... |
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| 14:08.29 | twobitwork | well... it shouldn't be swapping unless it needs to, no? |
| 14:08.37 | CyberScript32_ | i'm having a problem with my apache2 php4 instalation. I need some configuration, is here a right place to ask? |
| 14:08.45 | Bushmills | depends. swappiness can be configured |
| 14:09.05 | twobitwork | Bushmills: at kernel compile time, or otherwise? |
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| 14:09.13 | netdaemon | twobitwork: somewhere in /proc |
| 14:09.17 | Bushmills | run time, through /proc |
| 14:09.37 | Vutral | mhm |
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| 14:09.46 | mquin | /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 14:09.54 | stew | twobitwork: your machine SHOULD be swapping when it doesn't need to |
| 14:10.03 | abrotman | CyberScript32_: how did you install it? and what's the problem ? |
| 14:10.17 | stew | CyberScript32_: is there a reason you haven't swithced to php5? |
| 14:10.20 | mquin | IIRC 0 is 'dont swap unless I really need to', 100 is 'swap aggressively' |
| 14:10.22 | twobitwork | mquin: lol... I was just about to joke about searching for "swappiness" in /proc assuming it wouldn't be called something so simple :P |
| 14:11.00 | twobitwork | hmm... mine is 60... is there a reason you would want to be more swappy? |
| 14:11.01 | Bushmills | sorry, reality has beaten you. |
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| 14:11.43 | pozic | stew: why should the machine swap when there is no need? It only makes noise and it reduces life-span of the drive. |
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| 14:11.49 | Bushmills | but in fact that's not one of the most known features in (recent) linux |
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| 14:12.51 | haxi | do you know how I can set the "master screen" of a twinview? ;] |
| 14:12.54 | Bushmills | pozic: to reduce response time with processes using big amounts of mem |
| 14:13.44 | stew | pozic: becuase your machine would run faster if pages that are not being used are being freed to be used as disk cache |
| 14:14.17 | stew | pozic: and that would cause LESS disk activity, not more. so if you are worried about the life-span and noise of the drive it would be an improvement |
| 14:14.59 | Trewas | pozic: also if the kernel waited until it _must_ swap (no free memory and caches at minimum), things would be very slow at that point |
| 14:15.02 | CyberScript32_ | abrotman I can run phinfo() in the directory but not a joomla script |
| 14:15.34 | pozic | Trewas: ok, that's a good point. I don't really follow what stew tries to say. |
| 14:15.53 | Demosthenes | so what is the best method to ensure the kernel isn't upgraded during a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:16.03 | CyberScript32_ | it ask to open or save a .phtml file |
| 14:16.06 | xsdg | Demosthenes: hold it |
| 14:16.14 | xsdg | Demosthenes: "h" in aptitude, I believe |
| 14:16.46 | CyberScript32_ | it was working, but failed after i tryed to remove and install php again |
| 14:16.50 | Demosthenes | xsdg: i was trying the /etc/apt/preferences, and it wasn't working |
| 14:16.57 | stew | pozic: if you have some application which has memory allocated, but say it hasn't accesed some of the pages in a long time, it would be a better use of that memory if the kernel takes those unused pages and swap them out to disk. then it can take the memory previously occupied by those pages and use them as disk cache instead |
| 14:17.12 | xsdg | Demosthenes: preferences? no. Just use dpkg or aptitude to put the package on hold |
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| 14:17.34 | stew | pozic: and the more disk cache you have, the less actual disk access you need to do (since you get more hits on the disk cache) |
| 14:17.59 | pozic | stew: that would only work if there is some good way to predict usage. |
| 14:18.36 | Demosthenes | xsdg: does anyone use the interactive thing? dpkg --get-selections | grep ^linux- | sed 's/install/hold/g' | dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:18.39 | Demosthenes | ;] |
| 14:18.51 | Bushmills | pozic: often, Least-use strategies allow a reasonable prediction., |
| 14:19.08 | Demosthenes | i'm trying to participate in staying up to date with lenny, but being on a laptop i can't allow the kernel to change frequently. |
| 14:19.09 | Bushmills | dpkg, LFU |
| 14:19.09 | dpkg | Bushmills: I give up, what is it? |
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| 14:19.20 | pozic | Bushmills: yes, I believe that. Thanks. |
| 14:19.23 | xsdg | Demosthenes: err... why can't you? |
| 14:19.41 | xsdg | Demosthenes: also, be careful of setting packages on hold that you don't want to |
| 14:19.45 | CyberScript32_ | i have addtype .phtml in the php4.conf |
| 14:19.52 | pozic | xsdg: out of kernel drivers probably? |
| 14:19.59 | Demosthenes | xsdg: laptop drivers are touchy. i got burned a while back at 2.6.19 where speedstepping and suspend broke in a minor update |
| 14:20.11 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 14:20.16 | stew | pozic: well that's what the kernel does. and it is based on how long it has been since the pages were last read from. and it works |
| 14:20.21 | larsl_ | Has suspend ever worked OK? |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | depends on the hardware |
| 14:20.31 | stew | larsl_: yes |
| 14:20.34 | xsdg | Demosthenes: but, regardless of how you achieve it, setting packages on hold is the proper way to accomplish what you want |
| 14:20.42 | Demosthenes | xsdg: laptops are notorious for having proprietary drivers, and difficult integration. same laptop took me 3 months to iron out on gentoo. |
| 14:20.46 | drkwolf | larsl_: for years |
| 14:20.48 | Demosthenes | xsdg: thanks ;] |
| 14:20.49 | xsdg | larsl_: I always use so-called tux-on-ice |
| 14:20.58 | xsdg | Demosthenes: I've had multiple laptops; ::shrug:: |
| 14:21.02 | Demosthenes | larsl_: my t43 suspend to ram works fine |
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| 14:21.20 | xsdg | larsl_: tuxonice.net |
| 14:21.23 | ampex2 | linux on laptops period is a pain |
| 14:21.26 | Demosthenes | xsdg: i just have to be careful, i need it functional for work |
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| 14:21.28 | xsdg | larsl_: doesn't require hardware support |
| 14:21.31 | xsdg | ampex2: err... no it's not |
| 14:21.35 | larsl_ | I've had kernel panics from the Intel wireless drivers when recovering from suspend. |
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| 14:21.48 | xsdg | larsl_: which one? I've had no issues with ipw2200 |
| 14:22.10 | larsl_ | iwl4965 |
| 14:22.13 | Demosthenes | larsl_: i was surprised when the default hibernate is now suspend to disk... i hadn't configured that previously and was impressed it worked out of the box on debian |
| 14:22.35 | larsl_ | Had to turn on the kill switch for wireless to be able to get back. |
| 14:22.41 | xsdg | larsl_: weird |
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| 14:22.58 | xsdg | larsl_: I haven't had anything with a wireless card that recent, though |
| 14:23.17 | drkwolf | larsl_: blacklist modules |
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| 14:23.52 | drkwolf | larsl_: there's some modules that need to be unloaded before suspend |
| 14:24.05 | stew | larsl_: have a look at /etc/acpi/suspend.d you should be able to add your wireless drivers to the list of modules that gets unloaded and reloaded |
| 14:24.16 | larsl_ | OK. |
| 14:24.20 | froggie | hey guys |
| 14:25.11 | froggie | im getting numerous system lockups where i can do nothing but reset, in numerous applications, iceweasel, eclipse, konquerormim still kinda a noob, maybe its an x/xorg issue |
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| 14:25.28 | froggie | could someone guide me in the right direction as to log checking |
| 14:25.35 | froggie | so i can find out whats going on |
| 14:25.41 | larsl_ | Speaking of wireless, does anyone know how to let a non-root user modify the NetworkManager settings? |
| 14:25.49 | froggie | its total lockups, im not even sure if it would be logged |
| 14:25.59 | froggie | i just dont have a clue where to start looking |
| 14:26.11 | larsl_ | If I try to "Configure network settings" from netapplet I get a dialog that says "You are not allowed to access the system configuration". |
| 14:26.22 | froggie | im running etch standard install, nothing special |
| 14:27.30 | froggie | if i could at least see what causes these lockups id be most grateful :D |
| 14:27.37 | xsdg | larsl_: I would imagine you need to install gksudo or some equivalent, and give the users sudo access to NetworkManager or whatever |
| 14:27.44 | froggie | seems to happen at random |
| 14:27.53 | xsdg | larsl_: I don't use any of this GUI stuff, though, so I have no idea |
| 14:28.06 | xsdg | froggie: what kind of hardware? |
| 14:28.13 | froggie | x86 |
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| 14:28.25 | froggie | fresh install too |
| 14:28.29 | xsdg | froggie: no, what kind of hardware? (laptop? desktop? what form-factor?) |
| 14:28.33 | froggie | it did it before but never this bad |
| 14:28.42 | froggie | desktop asus |
| 14:28.53 | xsdg | froggie: is it possible that it's overheating? |
| 14:29.08 | froggie | no its not hardware |
| 14:29.14 | Bushmills | xsdg: doesn't it ask for your root password which you have given during installation? |
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| 14:29.57 | xsdg | Bushmills: oh, gksu does, yeah. There are some that run sudo, though, which is what I was thinking of |
| 14:30.14 | Bushmills | xsdg: what distribution is that? |
| 14:30.25 | xsdg | Bushmills: (and sudo only asks for the password of the user trying to get privileges) |
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| 14:30.34 | xsdg | Bushmills: "distribution"? |
| 14:30.37 | xsdg | Debian? |
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| 14:30.48 | Bushmills | yeah, lenny, etch, ubuntu, suse. |
| 14:31.02 | hferlidoo | If I have two linux machines, each with an ethernet interface, how would I set up the routing tables on each of them? |
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| 14:31.16 | xsdg | hferlidoo: what do you want to do? |
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| 14:31.27 | drkwolf | hramrach: ip, route |
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| 14:31.39 | xsdg | Bushmills: can you rephrase your question? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking |
| 14:31.41 | drkwolf | sorry it was for hferlidoo |
| 14:32.04 | Bushmills | xsdg: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list say what version you have? |
| 14:32.10 | hferlidoo | xsdg: just network them, make them pingable from each other |
| 14:32.25 | wols_ | xsdg: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 14:32.32 | Bushmills | hferlidoo: for just two machines, there is not a lot of routing to be done |
| 14:32.34 | hferlidoo | xsdg: they are the only two on the network |
| 14:32.37 | xsdg | Bushmills: why are you asking me? I run sid, but I also don't use GUI config tools |
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| 14:32.45 | drkwolf | hferlidoo:if you type route -n it will showes you the routing table. |
| 14:32.55 | froggie | so is a total system hang going to be logged somewhere or not |
| 14:32.59 | xsdg | hferlidoo: yeah, just set up their ip addresses, and they'll be able to talk to each other |
| 14:33.01 | froggie | its happening 20x a day |
| 14:33.04 | Bushmills | xsdg: to get an idea what your problem may be caused by |
| 14:33.06 | wols_ | hferlidoo: no need to set them up. simply give static IPs in your /etc/network/interfaces debian does the needed rest |
| 14:33.10 | xsdg | Bushmills: I don't have a problem |
| 14:33.15 | xsdg | Bushmills: wrong person |
| 14:33.30 | Bushmills | xsdg: indeed. my bad. sorry |
| 14:33.33 | wols_ | froggie: usually not. if the system hangs it cannot log anymore since it.... hangs |
| 14:33.35 | hferlidoo | wols_: I tried that but got error messages host is unreachable |
| 14:33.50 | wols_ | hferlidoo: pastebin the contents of the interfaces files |
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| 14:35.06 | wols_ | froggie: check your hardware |
| 14:35.13 | Quazar | Hi all, im tryin to upgrade from sarge to etch but i got errors |
| 14:35.15 | froggie | no its not hardware |
| 14:35.24 | wols_ | !tell Quazar about errors |
| 14:35.25 | stew | Quazar: are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 14:35.25 | froggie | it doesnt work and ure passing the buck |
| 14:35.33 | wols_ | froggie: and you come to this conclusion how? |
| 14:35.36 | xsdg | froggie: err... I should have asked earlier, but how do you know? |
| 14:35.36 | froggie | windows works, debian freezes ecvery 5 min |
| 14:35.46 | Quazar | Yeah |
| 14:35.47 | froggie | yea just deny it |
| 14:35.49 | Quazar | I am |
| 14:35.51 | wols_ | froggie: that is not sufficient |
| 14:35.51 | froggie | everything is fine |
| 14:35.53 | stew | froggie: try memtest86+ to test the memory |
| 14:35.56 | froggie | no problems at all! |
| 14:35.57 | Quazar | http://rafb.net/p/o5tmGt64.html <--- errors |
| 14:36.02 | froggie | i should have known |
| 14:36.06 | stew | froggie: please don't hit enter as a substitude for punctuation |
| 14:36.12 | Quazar | How about a page to fix this? |
| 14:36.14 | froggie | stop saying its hardware |
| 14:36.19 | froggie | memtest is fine |
| 14:36.30 | stew | !tell froggie about enter |
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| 14:36.31 | CyberScript32_ | I was using apache2 ph4 and joomla, and everything was working normally. when I removed the php4 and then installed php5 the site gave my an error. He now asks to open / save the page. The script phpinfo() works fine, but show me php4 is runing. |
| 14:36.52 | sherl0ck | whats the command if you are install a prog from source, and u want to make it into a package? |
| 14:37.08 | Quazar | sherl0ck: apt-get install |
| 14:37.14 | wols_ | sherl0ck: among others dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:37.14 | xsdg | sherl0ck: apt-get source |
| 14:37.28 | sherl0ck | dpkg-buildpackage i believe thanks |
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| 14:37.36 | Quazar | Ok |
| 14:37.41 | wols_ | sherl0ck: if you already have a debian/ directory in your source. if not, it gets a lot harder |
| 14:37.44 | drkwolf | CyberScript32_: you need to upgrade joomla too |
| 14:37.45 | Quazar | So did anyone see the error? |
| 14:37.49 | Quazar | http://rafb.net/p/o5tmGt64.html <-- this one? |
| 14:37.56 | sherl0ck | ohhh |
| 14:38.06 | wols_ | Quazar: as a workaround uninstall the offending packages and reinstall them later |
| 14:38.19 | Quazar | ok |
| 14:38.30 | xsdg | froggie: so, to back up, the issue is this |
| 14:38.38 | stew | Quazar: what happened when you ran "aptitude install x11-common libfam0 xlibmesa-glu" ? |
| 14:38.53 | Quazar | stew i got that error =/ |
| 14:39.00 | Quazar | I just did apt-get remove xlibmesa-gl |
| 14:39.07 | Quazar | And got yet another tarded error |
| 14:39.14 | CyberScript32_ | drkwolf i think not, because it was working.. |
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| 14:39.27 | xsdg | froggie: in the vast, vast majority of cases, a machine doesn't just "lock up" completely for no reason. Most of the time, lock ups happen because of interactions. Again, most of the time, those interactions are with the hardware |
| 14:39.36 | aleix | hi |
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| 14:40.08 | xsdg | froggie: it might be the case that windows doesn't interact with your hardware the same way linux does, and consequently doesn't cause it to lock up. |
| 14:40.12 | wols_ | froggie: how hot is your PC? your CPU? |
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| 14:40.15 | stew | Quazar: what exact command did you run when you got this error from the pastebin? |
| 14:40.24 | sherl0ck | wols_: dpkg-buildpackage - not quite what im looking for, its right before doing 'make install' its a program to install the program into dpkg, so if u do dpkg -l its listed, and you can remove it with apt-get then |
| 14:40.28 | wols_ | we now have the first hot days again. typical time in the year when PCs get heatstrokes |
| 14:40.33 | Quazar | aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
| 14:40.42 | Quazar | Should i have used apt-get instead? |
| 14:40.42 | xsdg | froggie: most of the time, though, if this happens as frequently as you're mentioning, the hardware is involved |
| 14:40.45 | wols_ | sherl0ck: checkinstall but it's not in etch |
| 14:40.48 | stew | Quazar: no, you should be using aptitude |
| 14:40.52 | Quazar | k |
| 14:40.56 | stew | Quazar: can you show us the output of "aptitude install x11-common libfam0 xlibmesa-glu" ? |
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| 14:41.03 | Quazar | Hang on |
| 14:41.04 | hferlidoo | wols_: http://pastebin.com/mdbd49c5 |
| 14:41.13 | mot | question |
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| 14:41.20 | mot | i'm putting in a debian netinstall cd |
| 14:41.30 | Quazar | The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: |
| 14:41.30 | Quazar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.40 | mot | and it gets to the point where it starts to retrieve the base system/installer from the archive of my choosing and then stops and says no kernel modules found |
| 14:41.48 | mot | it happens regardless of what mirror i choose |
| 14:41.54 | stew | Quazar: please show us the entire output in a pastebin |
| 14:41.54 | wols_ | hferlidoo: you gave two interfaces the same IP. this is a BIG nono |
| 14:41.59 | Quazar | mk |
| 14:42.01 | Quazar | Hold |
| 14:42.23 | wols_ | hferlidoo: on primary machine where does eth0 point to? |
| 14:42.49 | hferlidoo | hferlidoo: wols_ NAT/router/internet |
| 14:42.53 | wols_ | hferlidoo: usually you also want them to be in different subnets btw |
| 14:43.00 | Quazar | here stew http://rafb.net/p/0dK5l547.html |
| 14:43.50 | wols_ | hferlidoo: put eth1 or primary and eth0 of sencond machine into network 192.168.1.0/24 give them distinct IPs. enable ip_forward in the primary machine and you are good to go |
| 14:43.59 | stew | Quazar: this looks good to me |
| 14:44.12 | Quazar | Go ahead and type Y ? |
| 14:44.25 | stew | Quazar: yes |
| 14:44.38 | stew | Quazar: i recommend you follow the upgrade procedure in chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 14:44.40 | Quazar | mk |
| 14:44.43 | Quazar | i wil |
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| 14:44.50 | ^Timo | anyone can tell me which version of debian should work for the best |
| 14:44.51 | stew | Quazar: (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 14:44.54 | ^Timo | is it sid or lenny |
| 14:44.58 | stew | ^Timo: etch |
| 14:45.06 | ^Timo | etch is old |
| 14:45.07 | Bushmills | sid is broken by design |
| 14:45.14 | stew | ^Timo: what part of etch is too old? |
| 14:45.15 | Quazar | This will upgrade my kernel too right stew? |
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| 14:45.35 | stew | Quazar: yes |
| 14:45.37 | wols_ | Quazar: depends. if you have linux-image-2.6 installed, yes |
| 14:45.43 | hferlidoo | wols_: so , then my primary comp <--> lan_router will be a different network from primary comp <--> second comp. Is that right? |
| 14:45.44 | ^Timo | stew : etch is old. though |
| 14:45.46 | wols_ | or on sarge it's kernel-image-2.6 |
| 14:45.48 | ^Timo | lenny is testing |
| 14:45.53 | Quazar | No wols_ i have 2.4 installed |
| 14:45.54 | Quazar | O_o |
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| 14:45.59 | wols_ | hferlidoo: yes |
| 14:46.02 | stew | ^Timo: what part of etch is too old? |
| 14:46.09 | stew | Quazar: then stop |
| 14:46.17 | stew | Quazar: i thought you said you were following the release notes? |
| 14:46.21 | wols_ | Quazar: then your etch upgrade will fail badly |
| 14:46.29 | Quazar | Ugh =/ |
| 14:46.45 | stew | Quazar: you can let this aptitude run finish |
| 14:46.45 | wols_ | Quazar: first upgrade to sarge's 2.6 kernel |
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| 14:46.56 | Ramattack | Hi!! |
| 14:46.56 | wols_ | then dist-upgrade |
| 14:46.59 | stew | no |
| 14:47.02 | stew | not dist-upgrade |
| 14:47.07 | Quazar | Its done stew |
| 14:47.21 | stew | Quazar: then start over at the beginning of chapter 4 |
| 14:47.24 | wols_ | then as stew said install kernel 2.6 |
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| 14:47.41 | Ramattack | for installing in my debian etch the security updates and you now needed package updates on my system I should just run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade am I wrong? |
| 14:47.52 | Quazar | Ok |
| 14:47.53 | Ramattack | apt-get dist-upgrade is just for passing from etch to lenny for example |
| 14:47.56 | Ramattack | am I wrong? |
| 14:47.59 | stew | Ramattack: you are wrong |
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| 14:48.24 | Ramattack | stew, why¿ |
| 14:48.25 | cloakable | Ramattack: dist-upgrade will also pull in new kernels if they're available. |
| 14:48.33 | cloakable | upgrade won't |
| 14:48.39 | stew | Ramattack: the most recent security updates wouldn't have been done with just "upgrade" "dist-upgrade" was required becuase the updated packages added a new dependency |
| 14:48.47 | stew | cloakable: that is wrong |
| 14:48.47 | twobitwork | dist-upgrade is just a more aggressive form of upgrade |
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| 14:49.06 | cloakable | stew: it's how it happens in my experience. |
| 14:49.11 | stew | cloakable: you are incorrect |
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| 14:49.19 | Ramattack | so what's best to do... upgrade or dist-upgrade, perhaps with upgrade it's ok |
| 14:49.22 | stew | Ramattack: 'upgrade' isn't willing to remove packages or install new packages. 'dist-upgrade' is |
| 14:49.24 | Ramattack | I suppose? |
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| 14:49.45 | cloakable | stew: if you're running a -5- kernel, upgrade won't pull the *-6-* one |
| 14:49.47 | stew | Ramattack: dist-upgrade is fine as long as you pay close attention to what packages are being REMOVED |
| 14:49.50 | wols_ | Ramattack: stew just told you that a recent important security update didn't work with simply upgrade |
| 14:49.50 | stew | cloakable: yes |
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| 14:49.57 | stew | cloakable: well, maybre |
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| 14:50.35 | stew | cloakable: it doesn't really matter which kernel you are running. it matters what packages you have installed already |
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| 14:50.41 | cloakable | heh |
| 14:50.42 | Ramattack | Stew what did you mean with to be willing? |
| 14:50.52 | wols_ | hferlidoo: btw it should be in a different network that makes the routing easier. you won't lose anything by this |
| 14:51.03 | slidesinger | Is there some way to get grep to grep for a $ in a file name? |
| 14:51.12 | xsdg | slidesinger: \$ |
| 14:51.15 | stew | Ramattack: i mean if upgrading a package would require installing new package or removing a package, running "upgrade" would skip this package and list it as "kept back" |
| 14:51.29 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 14:51.43 | stew | slidesinger: or if you really just want to search for strings and not regular expressions, use fgrep or grep -F instead of just grep |
| 14:51.46 | xsdg | slidesinger: it's just a regular expression; you just need to make sure you escape special characters from the regex engine _and_ from the shell |
| 14:52.08 | Ramattack | ok mates gonna decide what to do then :) |
| 14:52.08 | hferlidoo | hello? |
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| 14:52.13 | xsdg | hferlidoo: pong |
| 14:52.17 | Ramattack | thanks a lot!!!! |
| 14:52.49 | xsdg | wonders if hferlidoo messed up his/her networking and can no longer receive |
| 14:52.50 | Ramattack | bye!!! |
| 14:52.55 | slidesinger | Thanks, -F fixed the script. |
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| 14:54.34 | mot | how do i format a floppy in linux? |
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| 14:54.52 | xsdg | mot: mkfs.vfat |
| 14:54.59 | mot | that's it? |
| 14:55.00 | xsdg | mot: alternately, install fdtools |
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| 14:55.05 | mot | i installed fdutils |
| 14:55.10 | xsdg | yeah, that one :o) |
| 14:55.11 | mot | but i dunno what commands are available |
| 14:55.15 | joltcan | mot: fdformat |
| 14:55.19 | xsdg | mot: `dpkg -L fdutils` |
| 14:55.50 | joltcan | mot: but then you have to put a filesystem on top of it, so I guess mkfs is still what you would like to use after that |
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| 14:56.47 | mot | what command do i want for that? |
| 14:56.53 | xsdg | mot: mkfs.vfat |
| 14:56.54 | mot | mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 ? |
| 14:57.12 | xsdg | mot: you may want to be careful about which FAT you put on it |
| 14:57.19 | mot | well |
| 14:57.20 | xsdg | mot: I think floppies typically use FAT-12 |
| 14:57.22 | mot | i have a boot.img |
| 14:57.26 | xsdg | mot: oh |
| 14:57.30 | mot | i need to make a boot floppy :D |
| 14:57.31 | xsdg | mot: dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 |
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| 14:57.46 | mot | in all my years using linux, i've never used floppies with it |
| 14:57.47 | mot | ever. |
| 14:57.48 | xsdg | mot: if you have an image, there's no need to format or anything |
| 14:57.53 | sherl0ck | so i want to write a quick bash script that i can call the script, and then put a parameter after the name to use in the script ( ex /usr/local/script.sh parameter) - where should i look to do this? |
| 14:57.58 | mot | i think once i made a boot floppy for mandrake but yea. never. |
| 14:58.04 | xsdg | sherl0ck: man bash |
| 14:58.06 | xsdg | sherl0ck: or google |
| 14:58.38 | xsdg | sherl0ck: but $1, $2, etc are arguments |
| 14:58.38 | twobitwork | hmm... gnome-terminal just crashed |
| 14:58.38 | twobitwork | as in... all of them |
| 14:58.38 | stew | slidesinger: inside the script, the parameters would be refered to by $1 $2 $3 etc |
| 14:58.39 | xsdg | sherl0ck: it's really informative to read through the bash manpage at least once |
| 14:58.40 | sherl0ck | thank you |
| 14:58.45 | sherl0ck | ok |
| 14:59.14 | xsdg | oh, man... BASIC... |
| 14:59.26 | twobitwork | sherl0ck: also, there's a #bash channel whic is moderately helpful provided you at least read their FAQ first (which is very informative) |
| 15:00.10 | slidesinger | stew: actually by a variable that refers to a remote cifs share. Of course it's a microsoft problem, labeling hidden shares as "SHARE$". I really hate when I have to deal with MS. |
| 15:00.31 | sherl0ck | twobitwork: gotcha great |
| 15:00.46 | twobitwork | sherl0ck: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ |
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| 15:00.53 | sherl0ck | yea i need to catch up on the bash syntax |
| 15:01.00 | twobitwork | it's very useful |
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| 15:02.12 | smax | Help me with sudo I add %adm ALL=(ALL) ALL and add my user to group adm but now sudo doesn't ask a password |
| 15:02.20 | epoxy | anyone know of somewhere that has output of badblocks that actually found errors? |
| 15:02.49 | halflife | smax: does it never ask you for a password or it asks you for a password and then doesnt for sometime |
| 15:02.53 | xsdg | epoxy: more context? |
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| 15:03.27 | Bushmills | epoxy: smartctl can show that info |
| 15:03.31 | BubbaT | Hey i keep getting a message while formating my disk , error informing the kernel about modifications to partiiton /dev/sda16. |
| 15:03.44 | epoxy | xsdg, trying to write up a nagios plugin real quick, but i dont know the whole output of badblocks when it actually finds errors. i see that it spits out some stuff by snippets on webpages, but i was looking for the WHOLE output. |
| 15:03.49 | smax | halflife it doesn't I make slogin <ip_off_machine> after that sudo works without password |
| 15:03.50 | xsdg | BubbaT: do you really have 16 partitions on a drive? |
| 15:03.52 | wols_ | are you formatting while its mounted? |
| 15:04.07 | xsdg | epoxy: it's just block numbers, I think |
| 15:04.20 | epoxy | k..thats what i found |
| 15:04.22 | BubbaT | xsdg, let me count, you know linux skips in the count. |
| 15:04.25 | epoxy | Bushmills, thanks, i'll look into that |
| 15:04.51 | xsdg | BubbaT: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 15:05.04 | hferlidoo | wols_: I still get host is unreachable errors. Here is my new configuration. I have included other useful information as well. I have made sure ip_forwarding is enabled http://pastebin.com/m7b24b2cc |
| 15:05.11 | xsdg | BubbaT: if you're on a PC, though, it's unlikely (though possible) |
| 15:05.20 | BubbaT | xsdg, only 14 |
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| 15:05.39 | wols_ | hferlidoo: ip_forward is only needed for the second to reach internet. not needed for connection between the two |
| 15:05.49 | smax | halflife or in debian if I enter password for ssh it is also for sudo ? |
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| 15:06.06 | halflife | smax: nope not at all. |
| 15:06.16 | wols_ | hferlidoo: ifconfig output? also did you run /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 15:06.20 | xsdg | BubbaT: wow. you may want to look into the limitations of the DOS partition table format (that's only a guess, though) |
| 15:06.26 | halflife | smax: oh wait, the password would be the same but your authentication would not be |
| 15:07.03 | halflife | smax: that is just because your ssh login succedded it wouldn't automatically mean you sudo authentication is also done. |
| 15:07.26 | smax | halflife How can I disable this? |
| 15:07.40 | hferlidoo | wols_: I just ran ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth1 , and for eth0 on second. |
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| 15:07.57 | wols_ | then it should have been working :( |
| 15:08.01 | smax | I need slogin after that enter passwd and only after that sudo save session for a time period |
| 15:08.05 | notino | where do i stop services that are not in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 15:08.27 | notino | rpcinfo port 111, smtp 25, and auth port 113 |
| 15:08.50 | halflife | smax: i haven't used slogin so couldn't tell you |
| 15:08.59 | wols_ | notino: /etc/inetd.conf usually |
| 15:09.09 | smax | halflife slogin it the same as ssh |
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| 15:09.23 | Bushmills | notino: the script name may be different |
| 15:09.39 | Bushmills | notino: for example, exim instead of smtp |
| 15:09.43 | notino | ah |
| 15:09.48 | notino | ok thanks guys |
| 15:09.52 | stew | notino: smtp would be in /etc/init.d probably exim4-something, 113 is ident probably running from inetd.conf |
| 15:10.04 | wols_ | the port 111 thing could be named *rpc* |
| 15:10.12 | notino | will they be stoped when i restart? |
| 15:10.18 | Bushmills | rpc is probaby portmap |
| 15:10.25 | wols_ | depends what is in your rc?.d dirs |
| 15:10.28 | stew | notino: for rpcinfo/portmap, you might be inclined to just make sure it is only listening to 127.0.0.0/8 and not 0.0.0.0/0 instead of stopping it completely |
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| 15:10.51 | wols_ | stew: what uses portmap besides stuff like NFS? |
| 15:10.52 | stew | notino: why do you want to stop smtp? |
| 15:10.57 | stew | wols_: fam |
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| 15:11.08 | wols_ | thx |
| 15:11.15 | stew | wols_: its most often brought in by gnomevfs |
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| 15:11.26 | wols_ | notino: stopping smtp is a very bad idea btw |
| 15:11.35 | notino | wols_: why? |
| 15:11.39 | klync | anyone know what /var/spool/samba is used for (specifically, plz don't say samba ;) ) |
| 15:11.40 | wols_ | cause you need mail |
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| 15:11.46 | notino | i use webmails |
| 15:11.48 | smax | So my problem is when I'm loggin via ssh sudo doesn't ask me password when I'm loggin local it ask me a password |
| 15:11.54 | wols_ | notino: your system does not |
| 15:11.58 | petemc | you can use cron to periodically clear exims queue |
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| 15:12.05 | xsdg | notino: system messages are transmitted by mail |
| 15:12.08 | notino | wols_: my system is the only one on my network |
| 15:12.18 | notino | oh, |
| 15:12.19 | wols_ | it still sends mail to the admin |
| 15:12.25 | stew | notino: if a cron job starts failing, the errors would be sent by email for instance |
| 15:12.28 | hoxu | notino, does not matter, unix world kind of assumes at least local mail can be delivered |
| 15:12.38 | notino | ok, il leave it then ? |
| 15:12.49 | wols_ | yes you can install another, smaller MTA if you want |
| 15:12.59 | stew | notino: you can run "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and make sure that it only delivers mail locally, or only sends remotely and not receives |
| 15:13.01 | wols_ | notino: it's advised, it's not too big |
| 15:13.04 | alexdb | notino: you can stop exim, it's no use on a workstation |
| 15:13.13 | stew | alexdb: you are wrong |
| 15:13.15 | wols_ | alexdb: you are mistaken |
| 15:13.20 | notino | ^-^ |
| 15:13.41 | notino | auth / ident can go right? |
| 15:13.42 | stew | alexdb: have you been reading the reasons above why we say it is needed? |
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| 15:13.55 | stew | notino: yes |
| 15:14.00 | notino | ok, and portmapper? |
| 15:14.06 | hferlidoo | wols_: the ifconfig output http://pastebin.com/m35b19cd1 |
| 15:14.07 | wols_ | notino: some irc networks/server stupidly want it, that'S about it. but normally it can go |
| 15:14.30 | notino | thanks |
| 15:14.48 | stew | notino: edit /etc/default/portmap and make sure it has "OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1"" uncommented, and then it would only listen for local traffic |
| 15:14.51 | wols_ | hferlidoo: iptables running? |
| 15:14.58 | hferlidoo | wols_: no |
| 15:15.13 | smax | How I can disable sudo capturing of password from ssh login password? when I'm loggin via ssh I don't need enter password when via keyboard, I do |
| 15:15.22 | alexdb | stew: wols: no i'm not who care about system message if he never checkit |
| 15:15.26 | wols_ | hferlidoo: check. with iptables -L on both. RX packets:225 errors:0 dropped:4294967249 overruns:0 frame:0 <- that "dropped" is heck of a lot |
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| 15:15.47 | chops | smax: I don't think sudo works like that; probably it's just caching a password you entered from a few minutes ago |
| 15:15.51 | notino | stew: ok done, local traffic only :) |
| 15:15.53 | stew | alexdb: and you have decided for him that he shouldn't check his local mail? or what? |
| 15:16.00 | wols_ | alexdb: those messages help you to figure out what's wrong even AFTER the shit hit the fan. if smtp is not running you can't do this |
| 15:16.00 | klync | smax: does your sudoers file grant this ability explicitly? |
| 15:16.09 | hferlidoo | wols_: It is running, but the chain is mpty and everything is set to allow |
| 15:16.39 | wols_ | hferlidoo: something IS dropping a mighty many packets tho |
| 15:17.17 | wols_ | hferlidoo: has eth0 on send sending lots of packets? |
| 15:17.26 | smax | chops No I'm making full logout from ssh and then login in again and I'm sudo whitout password again |
| 15:17.27 | smax | ! |
| 15:17.44 | chops | smax: Logging out and then back in again does not prevent sudo from caching the fact that a password was entered |
| 15:17.47 | hferlidoo | wols_: sorry? |
| 15:17.53 | wols_ | eth0 on second i mean |
| 15:17.55 | notino | stew: where is local mail then? |
| 15:18.08 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.09 | Quazar | stew: Can i skip 4.5.4.1 if i dont gave X window installed? |
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| 15:18.27 | Quazar | have* |
| 15:18.34 | stew | Quazar: yes. however, you do have it installed |
| 15:18.51 | Quazar | When i installed it i didnt include X |
| 15:18.59 | stew | Quazar: you have it now |
| 15:19.01 | jelly | smax: sudo creates a timestamp. To remove it, sudo -k; man sudo |
| 15:19.01 | wols_ | Quazar: xlibnesa from earlier says otherwise |
| 15:19.09 | chops | smax: Run sudo -k, log out, log in again, and then run sudo. You'll see it ask for a password. |
| 15:19.10 | hferlidoo | wols_: Im not sure which line to look at but |
| 15:19.10 | Quazar | I do? O_o |
| 15:19.12 | wols_ | *xlibmesa |
| 15:19.23 | Quazar | Hm.. |
| 15:19.26 | Quazar | Odd |
| 15:19.30 | wols_ | hferlidoo: the one with TX on et0 on 2nd |
| 15:19.30 | stew | Quazar: (upgrading x libraries was the problem you were having when you first started asking questions here) |
| 15:19.42 | Quazar | ah |
| 15:19.43 | jelly | chops: no need to logout/login, though |
| 15:19.44 | smax | chops ok I make a new login in a new console via ssh. that session is still active. I'm sudo whitout passwd |
| 15:19.54 | hferlidoo | wols_: TX packets :11930 |
| 15:19.57 | Quazar | So i can follow the instructions on 4.5.4.1 then |
| 15:20.21 | hferlidoo | wols_: RX packets :19715 |
| 15:20.24 | stew | Quazar: actually 4.5.4.2 is what i told you to do already |
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| 15:20.34 | Quazar | k |
| 15:20.42 | Quazar | continues |
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| 15:20.53 | chops | smax: Slow down and listen. sudo remembers the fact that you've entered a password recently. It does that regardless of what session you entered the password from (which is _not_ the default behavior on other distros, e.g. Redhat), or whether you've logged out and logged in in the interim. |
| 15:21.02 | smax | chops thanks sudo -k helps |
| 15:21.16 | chops | smax: You can log in and out and run sudo and not get asked for a password as many times as you like, and I'll still tell you the same thing :-) |
| 15:21.28 | wols_ | then _somehing_ is sending and receiiving |
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| 15:21.45 | smax | chops where I can set timout for sudo? |
| 15:22.06 | chops | smax: In the sudo configuration file |
| 15:22.21 | jelly | chops: Debian has some weird defaults for sudo, that's for sure |
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| 15:24.10 | hferlidoo | wols_: you're saying my second machine is networked, even though I cant ping it? |
| 15:26.45 | hferlidoo | !ping |
| 15:26.45 | dpkg | pong |
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| 15:28.02 | notino | is there a way to test if i have set up sound correct? |
| 15:28.02 | notino | just used alsaconf |
| 15:28.14 | notino | should firefox be able to get sound from youtube for example? |
| 15:28.37 | wols_ | !tell notino about alsa checklist |
| 15:28.45 | wols_ | hferlidoo: it is networked with _something_ |
| 15:28.47 | klync | notino: iirc, i had problems with sound in flash after updating moz - solution was to reinstall flash, fwiw |
| 15:29.06 | hferlidoo | wols_: I am running tcpdump on second with no output |
| 15:29.37 | wols_ | hferlidoo: what kind of cable do you have between the machines? |
| 15:29.42 | wols_ | is it a crossover cable? |
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| 15:30.07 | hferlidoo | wols_: ethernet cable. I dont know what a crossover cable is |
| 15:30.17 | wols_ | what does your kernel log say when you unplug and plug the cable back in |
| 15:30.19 | wols_ | hferlidoo: check wikipedia |
| 15:30.34 | wols_ | a normal patch cable will not work for what you do |
| 15:30.54 | klync | hferlidoo: mii-tool should show whether it's physically connected without having to unplug and look at dmesg |
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| 15:31.28 | DynV | Could you please recommend a MP3 converter which I can pipe data to it ? the tutorial suggest LAME but it's not into aptitude list although I saw some MP2 equivalents ... |
| 15:31.33 | hferlidoo | this is my mii-tool output for eth1 SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Invalid argument |
| 15:31.52 | klync | hferlidoo: uh-oh... never seen that, but it doesn't sound good |
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| 15:32.21 | notino | klync: is there a package which contains flash? |
| 15:32.23 | klync | hferlidoo: i have no idea, but i'd suspect you have the wrong eth driver loaded ... try googlying that error |
| 15:32.35 | klync | notino: afaik, no... i installed it from flash.com |
| 15:32.44 | hferlidoo | is it safe to fiddle with the card while the machine is on? |
| 15:32.46 | klync | or macromedia.com or whatever.... from the internets |
| 15:33.01 | klync | hferlidoo: probably not |
| 15:33.04 | wols_ | hferlidoo: depends what you mean with fiddle |
| 15:33.12 | notino | ah, i need to add my user to the "audio" group |
| 15:33.13 | wols_ | plugging in and out cables is fine |
| 15:33.20 | wols_ | plugging out and in the card itself is not |
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| 15:34.23 | xsdg | DynV: there's always toolame |
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| 15:37.15 | anomic | i have a problem with laptop mode, on a debian machine. it's running a custom kernel, but both /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ADP1/state and /sys/class/power_supply/ADP1/online are behaving as they should, so i don't think it's got anything to do with it. however, laptop mode won't switch modes when i yank the power supply, unless i do /etc/init.d/laptop-mode restart. it doesn't update automatically. anyone know how to debug/fix? |
| 15:37.42 | DynV | xsdg: toolame description says it only encode to layer 2 |
| 15:37.50 | xsdg | DynV: oh |
| 15:37.52 | xsdg | in that case |
| 15:38.19 | xsdg | !tell DynV about marillat |
| 15:38.44 | klync | anomic: i vaguely remember fiddling with inittab - looking at mine, there are pf entries pointing to /etc/init.d/powerfail ... now, this is not on a laptop, however |
| 15:39.11 | klync | /etc/inittab, that is |
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| 15:39.34 | anomic | klync: i have no such file as /etc/init.d/powerfail. and my laptop doesn't run packetfilter |
| 15:39.57 | anomic | but thanks for the suggestion |
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| 15:40.11 | klync | anomic: well, my laptop's at home in the closet where it's been for the past year... i was hoping that'd point you down a productive path, tho |
| 15:40.56 | klync | also, i don't think "pf" in this case has anything to do with packet filtering - those are signals that init catches |
| 15:41.14 | anomic | klync: there's another pf than pf? |
| 15:41.35 | anomic | maybe pf is exclusively a bsd filter |
| 15:41.39 | jelly | pfft |
| 15:42.10 | anomic | jelly: it's a beautiful filter. i love the syntax |
| 15:42.15 | anomic | so don't h8 |
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| 15:43.25 | jelly | h8 is the corner, I try not to h8 |
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| 15:43.36 | anomic | jelly: integrated QoS, and logging on a per-rule basis. it's enough to give me a chubbie |
| 15:43.46 | swapon | i have an issue comunication with guest and host vmware |
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| 15:44.57 | swapon | i have an issue comunication with guest and host vmware. It is net bridged. guest ping host, ant host can see echo with tcmpdump, but it does not send ICMP reply. There is no firewall between both. |
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| 15:46.10 | swapon | ping from host to guest is not shown by tcpdump in guest |
| 15:46.16 | swapon | any help¿? |
| 15:46.26 | anomic | ¡! |
| 15:46.38 | klync | swapon: so, the guest OS has a correctly configured interface? does the guest see broadcast packets? |
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| 15:47.12 | |Lee| | Is it bad if hddtemp /dev/hda is 100F with my AC on high pointing directly at it to cool it? |
| 15:47.27 | swapon | klync: http://rafb.net/p/l3GOSf83.html |
| 15:47.33 | klync | doesn't think 100F is anywhere near as bad as 100C |
| 15:47.36 | Bushmills | swapon: check host route, whether packets to guest go there |
| 15:47.42 | swapon | klync: it is 192.168.172.2 |
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| 15:48.17 | |Lee| | klync: That's nice, but it hits 100F with an AC on it? My AC is pretty good too .. |
| 15:48.21 | klync | swapon: so, that paste is from the host os, and the IP above is from the guest? |
| 15:48.30 | DynV | xsdg: thanks for the multemedia trick, I now have lame at my disposal but its description says it's not an MP3 encoder ?! |
| 15:48.39 | stew | |Lee|: 100F is low |
| 15:48.46 | xsdg | DynV: dunno; try it? |
| 15:48.55 | |Lee| | stew: For a computer without a fan? |
| 15:49.18 | stew | |Lee|: for a comuter with or without a fan, 100F is not a high temperature |
| 15:49.38 | |Lee| | stew: Then why must sysklogd beep in the middle of the night about it? |
| 15:49.51 | stew | |Lee|: are you sure you mean 100F and not 100C ? |
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| 15:50.07 | notino | ok cool sound is working, it was the adding to audio group i overlooked |
| 15:50.13 | |Lee| | stew: Sec |
| 15:50.16 | notino | do i eed to do something special for mp3's? |
| 15:50.30 | notino | or should they be cool, i can play WAV's fine |
| 15:50.31 | vvd | is there a way to diff binary files? |
| 15:51.00 | vvd | not just checking wether they differ but showing the differences |
| 15:51.13 | |Lee| | stew: ^ |
| 15:51.25 | |Lee| | /dev/hda: MAXTOR 6L040J2: 35°C |
| 15:51.36 | Bushmills | vvd: you could diff hexdumps |
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| 15:51.48 | vvd | Bushmills: sounds good, how? |
| 15:52.05 | vvd | diff? |
| 15:52.20 | Bushmills | make dump of both files, diff them |
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| 15:53.13 | Bushmills | alternatively, use vbindiff |
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| 15:53.49 | notino | when i try to play mp3 i just get static/noise sound |
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| 15:54.27 | Bushmills | notino: probaly encoded with swab ... upper/lower bytes swapped |
| 15:54.56 | notino | Bushmills: do i need to do somethin? |
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| 15:55.30 | Bushmills | not sure about mp3 .. commonly an issue when converting mp3 to wav and writing as audio cd. |
| 15:56.28 | HardDisk_WP | can a stock debian kernel boot from USB? |
| 15:56.45 | petemc | the kernel doesnt decide that |
| 15:56.45 | notino | well i was using aplay, il try xmms |
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| 15:58.11 | zxxxd | what's the difference between xen-vserver and just xen linux-image kernel ? |
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| 15:59.53 | DynV | In terminal, I did sudo -s and I'm now root, is there a way to go back to being a regular user ? |
| 15:59.55 | gnd | hello |
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| 16:00.15 | Bushmills | DynV: control-d |
| 16:00.52 | smax | how I can change domain and hostname to preserve it after reboot? |
| 16:01.04 | DynV | Bushmills: cool it works. is there an equivalent command ? what does it do ? |
| 16:01.08 | Bushmills | smax: /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 16:01.22 | alexdb | DynV: exit |
| 16:01.49 | DynV | alexdb: ty |
| 16:01.56 | DynV | Bushmills: ty |
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| 16:03.13 | swapon | klync: sorry it is |
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| 16:03.57 | gndPelikan | when I try to log in at the graphical login prompt, the xwindows restarts itself, no matter what type of a window enviroment I select (gnome, kde, ...) any ideas where to look? |
| 16:03.59 | flokuehn | has anybody someting of RichiH ? |
| 16:04.11 | flokuehn | heard something of RichiH. sorry |
| 16:04.24 | antgel | !seen RichiH |
| 16:04.25 | dpkg | richih is currently on #debian-ops (9h 51m 30s) #debian (9h 51m 30s), last said: 'ouch'. |
| 16:04.33 | antgel | :-O |
| 16:04.45 | flokuehn | antgel: thanks. |
| 16:04.57 | anomic | i have a problem with laptop mode, on a debian machine. it's running a custom kernel, but both /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ADP1/state and /sys/class/power_supply/ADP1/online are behaving as they should, so i don't think it's got anything to do with it. however, laptop mode won't switch modes when i yank the power supply, unless i do /etc/init.d/laptop-mode restart. it doesn't update automatically. anyone know how to debug/fix? |
| 16:05.39 | smax | chops I'm rebooting server then making slogin <server_name> then sudo and my debian didn't ask for password what's wrong? |
| 16:05.44 | klync | swapon: they're not in the same subnet |
| 16:06.04 | chops | smax: I don't think rebooting the server resets the sudo "recently entered password" cache either |
| 16:06.57 | smax | chops thanks for answering on my questions )) |
| 16:07.04 | chops | smax: np |
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| 16:08.27 | swapon | klync: vmnet1 is 192.168.172.1 and guest is 192.168.172.2 |
| 16:09.10 | mfaraci | smax you trying to sudo as root? |
| 16:09.29 | swapon | klync: it is ok |
| 16:09.35 | klync | k |
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| 16:15.23 | mfaraci | need help KDE kicker and organizer keeps crashing at login, i have tried removing .kde profile, reinstalling KDE, was working fine, for some reason teh taskbar will appear and then vanish due to kicker crashing |
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| 16:17.44 | aixenv | when setting up a software raid 0 with 3 drives, do all drives need to be set as bootable or just the first one? |
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| 16:18.04 | stew | aixenv: lilo/grub ignores the bootable flags |
| 16:18.06 | xsdg | aixenv: err... are you trying to boot off of a linear array? |
| 16:18.13 | xsdg | aixenv: that sounds excessively painful |
| 16:19.04 | aixenv | not me :) |
| 16:19.08 | xsdg | aixenv: wait... 0 is striping. I doubt that you'll get that to work, though I might be wrong |
| 16:19.49 | xsdg | aixenv: I don't think grub or LILO will know how to read data from a striped array |
| 16:20.12 | aixenv | k |
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| 16:20.19 | ^Timo | Hi. |
| 16:20.30 | ^Timo | what is the latest debian version avalible ? |
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| 16:20.56 | wols_ | 4.0r3 |
| 16:20.57 | hoxu | ^Timo, topic |
| 16:22.07 | itchi | aixenv: Don't set /boot on the stripe, it won't boot up. Stripes don't support the /boot on it |
| 16:22.32 | stew | itchi: are you sure? |
| 16:22.36 | stew | xsdg: i think they do |
| 16:22.44 | ^Timo | ok. |
| 16:22.50 | ^Timo | thanks |
| 16:22.52 | itchi | stew: well, don't got it working with it on, and got that info from here too |
| 16:23.09 | ^Timo | should you guys advice debian sid thats the latest right ? |
| 16:23.11 | ^Timo | unstable |
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| 16:23.14 | itchi | stew: With the mirror there's no problem, but stripes ... |
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| 16:24.10 | itchi | stew: If i have been understand it correctly, the intrd can't be "split" |
| 16:24.25 | itchi | Or was it the vmlinuz |
| 16:24.53 | hoxu | ^Timo, no, you don't want unstable |
| 16:25.01 | martian67 | itchi: nonsense |
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| 16:26.07 | wols_ | stew: I think there some lilo versions which can do it. grub, at least in etch, can't |
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| 16:26.39 | jdahm | nvidia-kernel-common says there is no installation candidate... how can I fix this? |
| 16:29.04 | ^Timo | ok. |
| 16:29.19 | ^Timo | ok guys i need help |
| 16:29.22 | jdahm | nevermind, fixed it |
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| 16:29.29 | jelly | !help ^Timo |
| 16:29.33 | xsdg | stew, wols_: ok, looks like lilo can read /etc/raidtab and boot from /dev/mdN. I haven't been able to find anywhere that says grub can do it, though |
| 16:29.40 | ^Timo | i want to configure my swap to 5 gigs in the install |
| 16:29.54 | ^Timo | can i it only be done with the manual configuration wizard |
| 16:30.13 | xsdg | aixenv: http://tinyurl.com/3laey7 |
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| 16:30.22 | ^Timo | ? |
| 16:30.28 | xsdg | aixenv: that's an explanation of how to boot off of a RAID-0 with LILO |
| 16:30.31 | jelly | ^Timo: well... you could also do it from the command line |
| 16:30.40 | cruxeternus | How do I get `apt-get install roundcube` (an email webapp) to use lighttpd (already installed) instead of apache (which it wants to download, with all its dependencies)? |
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| 16:30.55 | xsdg | aixenv: and, as to the question you asked, I'd say just do bootable for the device that you install LILO on |
| 16:31.09 | stew | bootable is ignored by both lilo and grub |
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| 16:31.48 | xsdg | stew: err... yeah... I'm an idiot :o) |
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| 16:33.49 | jelly | cruxeternus: which debian release? what does "apt-cache policy roundcube | grep Candidate" say? |
| 16:34.06 | cruxeternus | lenny... I'll check that output, one sec |
| 16:34.25 | cruxeternus | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.38 | jelly | cruxeternus: hum. dpkg -l lighttpd | tail -1 ? |
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| 16:34.54 | cruxeternus | ii lighttpd 1.4.19-4 A fast webserver with minimal memory footprint |
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| 16:35.12 | jelly | cruxeternus: are you trying to install using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:35.30 | cruxeternus | packages.debian.org says it depends on Apache OR lighttpd OR httpd... guess I need to figure out how to get it to use lighttpd |
| 16:35.33 | mot | how do i upgrade to lenny from etch? |
| 16:35.35 | cruxeternus | apt-get |
| 16:35.43 | mot | ... |
| 16:35.46 | hoxu | !tell mot about etch->lenny |
| 16:35.55 | cruxeternus | mot: Sorry, I was answering jelly :) |
| 16:35.56 | jelly | cruxeternus: sounds like you're triggering a bug in apt; try aptitude install roundcube |
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| 16:36.10 | cruxeternus | jelly: hrmm, ok, will do |
| 16:36.20 | mot | thanks |
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| 16:37.33 | notino | where does debian install things? for example, firefox. if im looking for a certain file that was installed with apt-get install, where would it be? |
| 16:37.39 | ^Timo | jelly : how to do? |
| 16:37.59 | dondelelcaro | notino: dpkg -L firefox; FE. |
| 16:38.17 | jelly | cruxeternus: this is a nice simple example of an apt bug. roundcube clearly Depends: ... apache2 | lighttpd | httpd, but apt doesn't get it. Filing a bug might be helpful. |
| 16:38.49 | idimmu | notino: dpkg -L <package name> |
| 16:38.51 | jelly | cruxeternus: (to be precise, it's roundcube-core package that Depends: ... apache2 | lighttpd | httpd) |
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| 16:39.18 | hfreelidoo | wols_: These connections work fine : (1st comp, router , both eth0 and eth1) (2nd comp, router, eth0). (1st comp, 2nd comp on the same network through router). It is only a direct connection between 1st comp and 2nd comp which is failing. Any ideas where I should look for a solution? |
| 16:39.22 | wols_ | jelly: how do you know it's an apt-ug? |
| 16:39.40 | jelly | wols_: I've taken a look at relevant package dependencies. |
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| 16:39.59 | jelly | wols_: ... and trust the user is not lying :-) |
| 16:40.31 | wols_ | hfreelidoo: not really. I ran a setup like yours with tow 2nd computers tho, for years (my debian had 3 NICs) |
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| 16:41.00 | wols_ | jelly: roundcube depends on more than apache. it also depends on php and posibly some of those depends on apache only |
| 16:41.12 | wols_ | in which case apt can only install apache |
| 16:41.33 | jelly | ^Timo: I guess what you really wanted to know, is how to do it in an even easier way than what manual wizard offers. Sorry, I can't offer that... command line is even harder |
| 16:41.38 | cruxeternus | jelly: Yeah... playing around with apt-cache now to explore the dependencies... will try aptitude in a sec |
| 16:41.44 | peterrooney | hfreelidoo: crossover cable? |
| 16:41.45 | cruxeternus | Thanks for the pointers. |
| 16:41.55 | mfaraci | is rc.local still functional for startup scripts? |
| 16:41.57 | wols_ | peterrooney: if he can reach the internet: yes |
| 16:42.05 | wols_ | mfaraci: yes |
| 16:42.18 | mfaraci | thanks wols |
| 16:42.23 | mfaraci | _ |
| 16:42.46 | wols_ | hfreelidoo: your PC can reach the router if it needs to go thorugh PC1, right? |
| 16:43.17 | wols_ | hfreelidoo: if your 2nd PC is connected to the router, it can use both, corssover or patch cable: the router will sort it out. PC NICs doN't do that |
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| 16:44.21 | jelly | wols_: hm, could be |
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| 16:45.50 | epoxy | would BIOS still show up if a CPU died? |
| 16:45.55 | hfreelidoo | wols_: It says PATCH in big friendly letters on the cable |
| 16:46.00 | Bushmills | nope |
| 16:46.03 | Bushmills | bios is code |
| 16:46.10 | Bushmills | needs cpu to get executed |
| 16:46.22 | wols_ | hfreelidoo: congrats. wrong cable for PC to PC connectons then. no matter how long you try: it will not work |
| 16:46.27 | wols_ | get a crossover cable |
| 16:46.38 | hfreelidoo | wols_: will do. |
| 16:46.48 | wols_ | epoxy: supposedly the PC then beeps. it doesn't always tho |
| 16:47.11 | epoxy | it isnt beeping :-/ just replaced the mobo, but still dont even see bios |
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| 16:47.25 | epoxy | it doesnt freak out or anyhting. i wish it would atleast beep |
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| 16:47.50 | ^Timo | jelly : you mean you can;t help me with that ? cuz i rly want my rootfs to 5gigs of space |
| 16:47.50 | wols_ | fans spin, poer button turns it on and off if pressed? |
| 16:48.00 | ^Timo | don't know how to configure it then. |
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| 16:48.08 | wols_ | TinoW: boot from a live cd and resize |
| 16:48.20 | jelly | ^Timo: it means I won't handhold you through the process. |
| 16:48.30 | ^Timo | ok. |
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| 16:48.42 | Bushmills | order of init is: cpu, north bridge, RAM, pci, southbridge. there is probably the beep. |
| 16:48.57 | xsdg | epoxy: does the power supply turn on? (do _its_ fans spin?) |
| 16:48.59 | ^Timo | jelly : but it can be done in the manual wizzard ? |
| 16:49.03 | epoxy | wols_, yeah, that is about it |
| 16:49.11 | jelly | ^Timo: yes, it can |
| 16:49.16 | epoxy | xsdg, yeah. changed power too |
| 16:49.19 | ^Timo | ok. |
| 16:49.28 | xsdg | epoxy: is there a light on on the motherboard? |
| 16:49.40 | epoxy | not that i can see |
| 16:49.52 | epoxy | but the problems are consistant between 3 mobos |
| 16:50.04 | jelly | ^Timo: note that "swap" and "root fs" are different :-) |
| 16:50.31 | xsdg | "oh" :o/ |
| 16:51.01 | xsdg | epoxy: so it doesn't boot even if you have nothing plugged in but the motherboard? (no RAM, no cards) |
| 16:51.15 | xsdg | epoxy: also, I presume you've had the speaker plugged in |
| 16:51.28 | epoxy | xsdg, correct. i unplug everythign and it still doesnt freak out |
| 16:51.29 | ^Timo | yes., |
| 16:51.33 | ^Timo | i know |
| 16:51.35 | epoxy | yea |
| 16:51.38 | ^Timo | uhmz |
| 16:51.53 | mfaraci | epoxy you reciet memory and proc? |
| 16:51.55 | xsdg | epoxy: yeah, that's not sounding too good :o/ |
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| 16:52.56 | epoxy | hehe yeah..replaced every part except the sata card |
| 16:53.04 | epoxy | weird problems though |
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| 16:53.37 | mfaraci | also do you have floppy drive? make sure ribbon is plugged in the right direction or you will have non boot |
| 16:53.49 | ^Timo | i can't change the space on a partition it give some kind of error like this : cuz of an unknown reason it is not possible to change the partition space check /var/log/syslog or check the fourth vt4 for details |
| 16:54.14 | ^Timo | i did it not al manual just did al separated partition wizard |
| 16:54.15 | jelly | ^Timo: do you already have some partitions created? |
| 16:54.19 | ^Timo | yes |
| 16:54.39 | jelly | ^Timo: do you need the data on them, or can they be wiped? |
| 16:54.50 | ^Timo | can be wiped |
| 16:54.52 | ^Timo | :=) |
| 16:55.07 | alexdb | ^Timo: you have to delete existing partition |
| 16:55.08 | mfaraci | expoxy also if its a newer system it may have 4pin power plug for the proc, this needs to be plugged in |
| 16:55.17 | mfaraci | epoxy sorry |
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| 16:55.35 | jelly | ^Timo: so delete your destination partition, and one next to it, and create one a bit smaller, and the other a bit larger |
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| 16:56.00 | dbmood2 | ---jelly why doesn't he need to delete stuff ? |
| 16:56.09 | epoxy | hehe its' all good. i think the proc might be shot |
| 16:56.15 | jelly | dbmood2: what? |
| 16:56.50 | mfaraci | epoxy does the proc even warm up, when powerd on? |
| 16:57.17 | epoxy | not sure about either |
| 16:57.25 | epoxy | checking it now |
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| 16:57.56 | mfaraci | KK, did you see my comments above bout floppy and 4pin plug on motherboard? |
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| 16:58.35 | farreres | what group should a user have in order to be able to use usb drives in gnome? writing and unmounting automonted drives? |
| 16:58.35 | dbmood2 | epoxy: /proc ---- hope that is a chroot |
| 16:58.46 | dbmood2 | farreres: fuse ? |
| 16:58.55 | farreres | what is fuse? |
| 16:59.00 | dbmood2 | !fuse |
| 16:59.00 | dpkg | hmm... fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 16:59.08 | farreres | no no no |
| 16:59.34 | dbmood2 | farreres: user group.... no.... that is a userspace thing.. just add your user to it log out then in again |
| 16:59.38 | cruxeternus | jelly: aptitude confuses the heck out of me... but I think I found a way to get around it by selectively installing other deps first. Now it's not trying to install apache! :D |
| 16:59.40 | farreres | I mean, I only want to be able to write to an usb already mounted (gnome mounts atomatically) |
| 16:59.50 | cruxeternus | (using apt-get, I mean) |
| 16:59.53 | mfaraci | epoxy you there? |
| 17:00.03 | epoxy | yeah :) |
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| 17:00.11 | farreres | dbmood2: how do I add this user? what command? and what userspace? |
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| 17:00.18 | mfaraci | did you read above? |
| 17:00.23 | epoxy | checked it out, looks good |
| 17:00.29 | dbmood2 | .... let us make it easy farreres go to system --users and groups thing |
| 17:00.41 | mfaraci | not working though? |
| 17:00.58 | farreres | dbmood2: yes, I am in there, users and groups management menu |
| 17:01.01 | dbmood2 | then double click on the user you want, if fuse is installed it should be a group |
| 17:01.08 | dbmood2 | -- option user user privilages |
| 17:01.13 | mfaraci | off to lunch afk |
| 17:01.23 | epoxy | mfaraci, still nothing. thanks for the help though |
| 17:01.30 | farreres | dbmood2: sorry, no fuse |
| 17:01.30 | dbmood2 | feels like giving instructions to his grandmother |
| 17:01.38 | farreres | dbmood2: I am in stable |
| 17:01.39 | dbmood2 | ok --- you need to install it then |
| 17:01.44 | hfreelidoo | wols_: quick question. Will the onboard eth0 on PC2 also be OK for crossover cables, or would it need a seperate card? |
| 17:01.47 | dbmood2 | farreres: as was i |
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| 17:02.33 | wols_ | hfreelidoo: will be OK |
| 17:02.45 | farreres | dbmood2: hmmm there is no fuse module, but several related ones, which ones do you recommend? |
| 17:02.58 | dbmood2 | ah.... interesting |
| 17:03.14 | dbmood2 | wols_: what should farreres get --- the fuse source and then module-assista... ? |
| 17:03.36 | wols_ | !fuse |
| 17:03.36 | dpkg | it has been said that fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 17:03.41 | farreres | afuse fuse-utils fusesmbfuse-source |
| 17:03.50 | farreres | afuse fuse-utils fusesmb fuse-source |
| 17:03.52 | dbmood2 | fuse-utils |
| 17:04.01 | dbmood2 | and fuse-source i suppose |
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| 17:04.23 | farreres | dbmood: I see ,you advise me to compile my own module rather than install a prepackaged on? |
| 17:04.31 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.41 | wols_ | farreres: he shouldn't |
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| 17:04.48 | dbmood2 | ---- so then he only needs fuse-utils ? |
| 17:04.53 | wols_ | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 17:04.59 | wols_ | and that's the debian installer kernel |
| 17:05.26 | farreres | ok, yes, I see I have fuse in my modules |
| 17:05.40 | farreres | how do I allow normal users to use the usb? |
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| 17:05.57 | wols_ | !tell farreres about vfatrw |
| 17:06.16 | wols_ | there is no fuse needed for usb drives... |
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| 17:06.36 | farreres | should no wols_ I want no fstab line, I want gnome to automount them and then use them |
| 17:06.39 | farreres | nothing more |
| 17:06.40 | DynV | xsdg: lame works just fine, I don't know why the description says Lame aint MP3 encoder .... |
| 17:06.46 | tmjb | hello can anyone recommend me dd aplication for dvd copy i would like to do something like dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/dev/scd1 is this posible ? |
| 17:06.48 | farreres | it must be easier |
| 17:06.54 | dbmood2 | farreres: ubuntu ? |
| 17:06.59 | farreres | debian stable |
| 17:07.02 | wols_ | farreres: you NEVER use fuse for fat dirves like usb disks |
| 17:07.21 | dbmood2 | nar just kidding -- can't he just be a member of a group that can mount the usb rw ? |
| 17:07.23 | wols_ | and fstab is a perfectly fine way to mount it. right now it's probably root only wirtable. ls -al /mountpoint tells you |
| 17:07.27 | farreres | I don't care about fuse, I care about usb drives! |
| 17:07.39 | DawnLight | farreres: users have to be in plugdev group and you need the hal package |
| 17:08.00 | DawnLight | wols_: he wants kde/gnome to mount it via the desktop |
| 17:08.01 | wols_ | farreres: output of "id" |
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| 17:08.09 | farreres | DawnLight: OK! That was the answer, you debian people sometimes get som complicated! |
| 17:08.17 | wols_ | DawnLight: I don't use either |
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| 17:08.34 | dbmood2 | DawnLight: i was not in the knowing of those |
| 17:08.36 | dbmood2 | thank you |
| 17:08.40 | DawnLight | farreres: some don't get that debian has desktop environments |
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| 17:09.03 | wols_ | DawnLight: and some don't use that bloated shit :P |
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| 17:09.13 | dbmood2 | DawnLight: --- some maintainers too --- they are good but just a few ones out of place |
| 17:09.14 | farreres | DawnLight: yes, some still work in green monitors :) |
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| 17:09.41 | wols_ | farreres: we use X now. fits more xterms at the same time on screen |
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| 17:10.03 | dabreegster | How feasible is it to convert a base system installed from CD1 of the amd64 testing arch to a 32bit userland after install? |
| 17:10.06 | Bushmills | and helps preserving the forests |
| 17:10.19 | dbmood2 | dabreegster: not -- why do you want too ? |
| 17:10.21 | farreres | DawnLight: wols_ I wasn't making fun of anyone, I thank you for trying to help, although not what I needed |
| 17:10.24 | wols_ | dabreegster: not at all. reinstall |
| 17:10.45 | DawnLight | if you guys want to help me promote something, you can put in your word into it. i'm trying to get some fixes into the next etch point release so that it will be possible to use the desktop to mount removable ntfs |
| 17:10.45 | wols_ | farreres: does it work now as intended? |
| 17:11.03 | dabreegster | Thought so. No blank CDs left, about to go install for a friend. I guess I can pick some up on the way |
| 17:11.06 | dbmood2 | DawnLight: and fat32 ? |
| 17:11.15 | farreres | wols_: he he now I don't remember how to add a group to a user, groupadd or what? |
| 17:11.17 | DawnLight | dbmood2: that is already ok in etch |
| 17:11.22 | dbmood2 | and libcss in debian |
| 17:11.38 | dbmood2 | DawnLight: not always --my ipod doesn't get mounted |
| 17:11.43 | dbmood2 | (gnome) |
| 17:11.48 | DawnLight | farreres: you go adduser farreres plugdev and you need to log out and back in |
| 17:11.55 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:12.28 | Bushmills | ferret: checked usbmount? |
| 17:12.38 | farreres | DawnLight: come on, now I see that I was already member of this group, but I can't write into the usb!!!! |
| 17:12.57 | wols_ | farreres: ls -al /mountpoint |
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| 17:13.27 | stew | farreres: what filesystem is it? |
| 17:13.43 | farreres | my usb, like most, is vfat |
| 17:13.57 | farreres | I tried installing usbmount but no success |
| 17:13.58 | stew | farreres: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 17:14.13 | farreres | aha will try |
| 17:14.32 | DawnLight | i want to take a patch from the unstable version of hal and insert it in the stable version. do i simply put the patch file in debian/patches? |
| 17:14.39 | Bushmills | installation of usbmount fails?? |
| 17:14.44 | dbmood2 | DawnLight: don't do that |
| 17:14.50 | stew | DawnLight: it depends on which patch system the package uses |
| 17:14.54 | dbmood2 | get it from testing if anywhere without good reasoning |
| 17:15.05 | farreres | notino_, installation doesn't fail, but I can't still write into the usb |
| 17:15.09 | DawnLight | stew: can you check for me? |
| 17:15.31 | farreres | touching the config I could write into the usb, but umount wasn't allowed |
| 17:15.40 | stew | DawnLight: debian/rules should make it obvious, especially since it is cdbs |
| 17:15.43 | dbmood2 | DawnLight: you are familiar with the debian package movement between sid, testing and stable yeah |
| 17:15.58 | Bushmills | sorry, too ambigious. "tried installing" but "installation doesn't fail" |
| 17:16.00 | chops | (Reask from a few days ago): Does anyone happen to know of software that will display the results of unit tests on a web page, with some moderate browsability? |
| 17:16.09 | DawnLight | dbmood2: yes. i know what i'm doing, i just don't know how |
| 17:16.17 | dbmood2 | chops: apache ? |
| 17:16.27 | Bushmills | end of guessing on my side |
| 17:16.29 | chops | dbmood2: Thanks. Thanks a lot. |
| 17:16.30 | dbmood2 | there is moodle |
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| 17:16.44 | farreres | oh, something had to change after my editions, now it seems I can mount and unmount the usb, although its not automatic, I must open it myself |
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| 17:16.47 | dbmood2 | ---- look up open source elearning stuff there is tons |
| 17:16.50 | farreres | in any case, it works now |
| 17:16.53 | farreres | thank you all |
| 17:16.56 | stew | DawnLight: since it doesn't build-depend on quilt or dpatch i'd guess it is "simple-patchsys" in which case, dropping the patch into the patches directory should be enough |
| 17:17.20 | chops | dbmood2: How is unit testing related to online learning communities? |
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| 17:17.56 | dbmood2 | wait... unit tests ? |
| 17:18.03 | dbmood2 | i think i misread that as uni tests |
| 17:18.19 | chops | dbmood2: Unit tests, yes. You can read all about it up there, where I said "unit tests." :-) |
| 17:18.32 | dbmood2 | yes--- so you have a database i suppose ? |
| 17:18.43 | chops | dbmood2: I do |
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| 17:19.04 | dbmood2 | ----apache is just a web server so... you are looking for something to do the conversions for you ? |
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| 17:21.29 | chops | dbmood2: Let's say I have some unit tests in my code. I would prefer not to write a web application to present the results of those tests; I would prefer to download some code which will display HTML summarizing the results of my tests. Do you know of code available that will do that? I expect that apache will be required at some stage of the process, yes. |
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| 17:21.58 | chops | dbmood2: The closest thing I've found is proprietary software called bamboo (http://www.atlassian.com/software/bamboo/features/insight.jsp), but it's proprietary, and also it doesn't really do precisely what I want. |
| 17:25.03 | dbmood2 | chops: just use oo.o to output html files ? |
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| 17:25.18 | dbmood2 | if all you want is the result... |
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| 17:25.27 | path_ | err good afternoon :D |
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| 17:30.41 | ^Timo | do i need a mirror server at installing ? |
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| 17:31.02 | ^Timo | nvm' |
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| 17:32.43 | mot | how do i setup an interface in /etc/network/interfaces that is internal-only? |
| 17:32.48 | mot | that is, i have a box that i want to setup as a router |
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| 17:33.02 | mot | i want traffic to come in thru eth0 and out thru eth1 |
| 17:33.06 | wols_ | set up a static IP for it, don't add a gateway |
| 17:33.14 | mot | so i've configured eth1 with my static ip and whatnot |
| 17:33.22 | mot | sorry, eth0 |
| 17:33.29 | wols_ | then run ipmasq and let it handle eth1 as the public interface. done |
| 17:33.35 | mot | so i configure eth1 with just a static local ip? like 192.168.0.0 |
| 17:34.04 | mot | so i just specify an IP? do i need to specify a netmask or anything? |
| 17:34.17 | mot | i actually have a script from aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm but i'm trying to figure out the interface setup |
| 17:34.18 | wols_ | that's not a valid IP |
| 17:34.29 | wols_ | well technically it is but sooner or later you will get problems with some software |
| 17:34.31 | mot | 192.168.0.1 |
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| 17:34.44 | wols_ | !tell mot about interfaces |
| 17:34.57 | mot | hmm |
| 17:35.06 | wols_ | use the debian package ipmasq instead, especially since you don't know what you are doing |
| 17:35.13 | wols_ | chances are that other script is not secure |
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| 17:38.32 | bsmntbombdood_ | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tcl8.5/tcl8.5_8.5.1-1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 17:38.32 | bsmntbombdood_ | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tk8.5/tk8.5_8.5.1-2_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 17:38.37 | bsmntbombdood_ | what is the meaning of this? |
| 17:39.12 | hyper__ch | it means it did not found that file on that ip in the given path |
| 17:39.47 | stew | bsmntbombdood_: 5.1-1 is no longer in debian. it was replaced by 5.2-1, you should run aptitude update or apt-get 8update |
| 17:40.07 | bsmntbombdood_ | ok thanks |
| 17:40.19 | halflife | hello folks is it possible to use window's xp's boot loader to boot debian etch. i can't over write the current mbr or install my own boot loader |
| 17:40.40 | wols_ | halflife: it is |
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| 17:40.59 | ^Timo | can anyone tell me the important lenny deb sources |
| 17:40.59 | wols_ | halflife: install the bootloader from debian in the linux partition and then edit your boot.ini accordingly |
| 17:41.07 | ^Timo | or tell me where to find |
| 17:41.09 | stew | ^Timo: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:41.09 | wols_ | !tell ^Timo about mirrors |
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| 17:43.29 | halflife | wols_: okay. thanks |
| 17:44.00 | ^Timo | ok thanks |
| 17:44.08 | Hash9 | Hi, I have a debian machine with a nfsmount in /etc/fstab, and when it starts up it takes ~3mins mostly waiting after "Configuring network interfaces...Starting portmap daemon...." before saying "mount: can't get address for data" then booting, when it's finished booting the nfs mount has been done, is there anyway to make it not wait so long? |
| 17:44.12 | ^Timo | i know the mirrors but |
| 17:44.21 | ^Timo | i don't know what to add to sources.list |
| 17:44.27 | ^Timo | in exact terms |
| 17:44.28 | ^Timo | ps. |
| 17:44.46 | hoxu | !sources.list |
| 17:44.46 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:44.47 | ^Timo | what should a server has in his sources.list running lenny |
| 17:44.57 | ^Timo | ok |
| 17:44.59 | ^Timo | thanks |
| 17:46.26 | chops | Hash9: File a bug against nfs? |
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| 17:47.03 | stew | Hash9: if you run "getent hosts nfsservername" does it take a long time to resolve? |
| 17:47.06 | mot_ | wols_, |
| 17:47.27 | mot_ | i tried to setup the internal interface but when i did ifup eth1 it said i didn't set all of the necessary variables |
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| 17:47.43 | wols_ | address, netmask, network, done |
| 17:47.46 | mot_ | i setup network as 192.168.1.1 and address as 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:47.53 | mot_ | ahh i needed the netmask |
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| 17:48.08 | mot_ | also, i tried the ipmasq command but i'm not really sure what it does. |
| 17:48.23 | Hash9 | stew: no, it's near instantanious, (at least after booting) |
| 17:48.28 | hyper__ch | I asked a few days ago on how I can backup the data on my server to my provider-ftp-only-backup space.... and I had problems with duplicity on there... I meanwhile find a way around the problem if someone is interested ;) |
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| 17:49.40 | slak | hi |
| 17:50.16 | slak | i have a usb drive that gets mounted at boottime, however, my application on that drive seems to be starting prior to the drive is mounted |
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| 17:50.26 | slak | im confused as to how to change that in debian |
| 17:50.36 | slak | i did update-rc.d tomcat.sh defaults 99 |
| 17:50.48 | slak | and still the drive mounts after tomcat executes |
| 17:50.53 | slak | can someone clarify |
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| 17:51.58 | slak | the device is mounted from fstab |
| 17:52.05 | Hash9 | chops, stew: thanks, it seems to be #418596 so I have it booting fine now, thanks :) |
| 17:52.09 | ike | 3/n |
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| 17:53.35 | selam | hi all |
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| 17:54.00 | mot_ | gah |
| 17:54.02 | mot_ | there has to be a better way to do this |
| 17:54.06 | mot_ | i want to bridge two NICs together so that one faces outward, takes in traffic, filters it through a firewall, and then shoots it back into the internal network |
| 17:54.11 | mot_ | what's the easiest was to do this? |
| 17:54.32 | chops | Hash9: \o/ |
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| 17:55.11 | Bushmills | mot_: ip forwarding with a set of iptables rules |
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| 17:55.34 | selam | i have a question about finding some pattern in large files, i using already grep but is very slow, 16 min do you know a another tool like grep for performance? |
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| 17:56.19 | mot_ | Bushmills, i don't know iptables though, there has to be some easier way yea? |
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| 17:56.39 | Bushmills | mot_: sure, the easiest way is the way you know |
| 17:57.00 | mot_ | i don't know how, that's the thing |
| 17:57.10 | Bushmills | mot_: then there is no easy way |
| 17:57.19 | mot_ | i just can't get the two connections bridged |
| 17:57.26 | Bushmills | by your own definition. |
| 17:57.30 | mot_ | there's a script at http://aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm |
| 17:57.35 | Bushmills | wha you don;t know is not easy, and you don't know |
| 17:57.46 | mot_ | this is not philosophy 101, can you help or not? |
| 17:58.04 | Bushmills | i did, by telling you what to use |
| 17:58.46 | Bushmills | you don't expect me to configure it for you? |
| 17:58.58 | mot_ | no, but there's got to be another way to bridge two connections |
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| 17:59.36 | Bushmills | forwarding is a one line command. firewall is as complex as you need it. |
| 17:59.51 | Bushmills | good luck finding an easier way |
| 18:00.09 | mot_ | then how is forwarding a one-line command? where do i start? |
| 18:00.17 | Bushmills | you start with the firewall |
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| 18:00.22 | Bushmills | when done, you enable forwarding |
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| 18:03.04 | stew | mot_: do you really need to bridge the networks? or do you want to route packets between the two |
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| 18:03.21 | mot_ | i just want to route packets between the two |
| 18:03.21 | pippijn | hi all |
| 18:03.25 | mot_ | i have two fileservers |
| 18:03.32 | mot_ | i wanted to setup a firewall in front of them using an old box |
| 18:03.40 | pippijn | how do I forcibly remove a package without removing the ones that depend on it? |
| 18:03.45 | mot_ | so on that box i have two NICs, eth0 is public, eth1 will be private. |
| 18:03.51 | stew | mot_: what are you firewalling? |
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| 18:04.04 | wols_ | mot_: simply enabling ipforwarding and 2 static IPs is all you need |
| 18:04.09 | kibibyte | hi |
| 18:04.22 | stew | mot_: i mean, what do you want to block? you want to make sure the fileservers can't talk to the internet? or what? |
| 18:04.35 | stew | mot_: or do you simply need masquerading to get them to be able to talk to the internet? |
| 18:04.42 | mot_ | i want to only allow access from a specific IP range |
| 18:05.00 | mot_ | well look i'm not entirely sure, so let me explain |
| 18:05.03 | mot_ | two NICs on the box |
| 18:05.16 | mot_ | i only want IPs from a specific range to be able to get through |
| 18:05.22 | stew | mot_: please don't use the enter key in place of punctuation |
| 18:05.22 | hoxu | pippijn, why do you think you need to do that? |
| 18:05.26 | mot_ | BUT for now, i just want it to forward all traffic |
| 18:05.30 | pippijn | hoxu: I need to downgrade it |
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| 18:05.35 | wols_ | mot_: external IPs, e.g IP on the internet? |
| 18:05.45 | stew | mot_: if you just want to forward all traffic, use the ipmaq package |
| 18:05.47 | pippijn | and I thought the easiest way is to remove it and then do a normal apt-get install |
| 18:05.48 | mot_ | yes, public static IP |
| 18:06.04 | mot_ | stew how would i forward traffic from eth0 to eth1 |
| 18:06.10 | wols_ | mot_: and later edit the ipmasq scripts to filter out the undesired traffic. ipmasq is a very good starting point |
| 18:06.13 | stew | mot_: if you want to do selective filtering, there are things like fwbuilder to help you build a script, or firewall packages like shorewall |
| 18:06.16 | hoxu | pippijn, I don't think that's a good idea... use package=version to install another version instead |
| 18:06.21 | stew | mot_: install ipmasq |
| 18:06.23 | wols_ | mot_: ipmasq will do it all, no worries |
| 18:06.23 | pippijn | hoxu: okay |
| 18:06.24 | tralala | pippijn, the easiest way is to install the previous version using apt or dpkg |
| 18:06.30 | pippijn | tralala: I did that |
| 18:06.33 | mot_ | i have ipmasq installed, how do i use it? |
| 18:06.34 | pippijn | I just wanted to know |
| 18:06.40 | stew | mot_: read /usr/share/doc/ipmasq |
| 18:06.42 | wols_ | mot_: dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq |
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| 18:09.03 | kibibyte | stew is using windows |
| 18:09.05 | kibibyte | i saw him |
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| 18:09.58 | hoxu | !truth about kibibyte |
| 18:09.58 | dpkg | kibibyte is a liar! |
| 18:10.11 | Hoxzer | !truth about Hoxu |
| 18:10.11 | dpkg | Hoxu is a liar! |
| 18:10.18 | Hoxzer | Double cross |
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| 18:10.31 | hoxu | takes out a cattle prod and gives Hoxzer a good jolt |
| 18:10.39 | Hoxzer | wait what I failed I shoudl have done "!truht about dpkg" |
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| 18:19.32 | i_am_ed | what's the best way to get a changelog on a package on etch? aptitude changelog isn't working. |
| 18:19.54 | dondelelcaro | i_am_ed: packages.debian.org/foopkg or similar |
| 18:20.09 | Nigromante | i_am_ed, go to the /usr/share/doc/package |
| 18:20.23 | Nigromante | or packages.qa.debian.org |
| 18:20.35 | stew | or changelogs.debian.net/packagename |
| 18:20.50 | i_am_ed | thanks all |
| 18:20.55 | Nigromante | np |
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| 18:28.19 | simonrvn | stew: is that the most up to date url for changelogs? |
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| 18:29.20 | stew | simonrvn: i guess the news item in the pts |
| 18:29.31 | stew | (which shows the contents of the .changes of each upload) |
| 18:29.34 | simonrvn | 'k thanks |
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| 18:36.26 | kai4711 | hi guys.. i want to check the "ulimit -n" value of a user on my debian system while logged in as root |
| 18:36.31 | kai4711 | it tried with su username |
| 18:36.39 | kai4711 | but it doesnt echo somethin... |
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| 18:37.53 | gnd | my computer crashed and now I can't get into kde, I get to the gui login screen, I log in, password accepted and then immediately xfree restarts and I get to the login screen again |
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| 18:38.04 | gnd | happens with all users |
| 18:38.15 | gnd | kde or gnome |
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| 18:38.36 | stew | gnd: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:38.38 | gnd | .xsessions-errors is empty |
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| 18:39.00 | stew | gnd: add a new user and see if it happens with the new user |
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| 18:39.17 | hoxu | gnd, crashed as in froze or what? |
| 18:39.26 | mfaraci | need help KDE kicker and organizer keeps crashing at login, i have tried removing .kde profile, reinstalling KDE, was working fine, for some reason teh taskbar will appear and then vanish due to kicker crashing |
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| 18:39.31 | gnd | froze and I had to hard reboot |
| 18:39.35 | pumpkin0 | while transcoding lame strips the ID3-tags from my MP3s. Can i auto-copy the ID3-data with another tool ? |
| 18:39.40 | hoxu | gnd, do you happen to be using nvidia drivers from nvidia.com? |
| 18:39.40 | seeds | how can i manage my battery power. like to use less power or at least minimal? |
| 18:39.46 | gnd | not nvidea |
| 18:40.02 | hoxu | gnd, did you upgrade anything prior the freeze? |
| 18:40.09 | gnd | not in a ong time |
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| 18:40.18 | cahoot | seeds: powertop might help |
| 18:40.27 | gnd | dunno when was the last time I rebooted at all must have been at least 100 days or something |
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| 18:40.33 | seeds | powertop? |
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| 18:40.45 | gnd | login screen comes up normally |
| 18:40.45 | hoxu | gnd, oh... well, see stew's advice and create a new user and test that |
| 18:40.55 | pumpkin0 | seeds: what hardware do you have? |
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| 18:41.08 | gnd | but after that xfree just restarts |
| 18:41.12 | seeds | a toshiba satellite notebook |
| 18:41.15 | gnd | I'll try a new user |
| 18:41.25 | pumpkin0 | seeds: intel CPU and intel-Gfx ? |
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| 18:41.44 | seeds | intel cpu |
| 18:41.48 | DawnLight | how do i list the files installed by a package please? |
| 18:41.59 | stew | DawnLight: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 18:42.08 | gnd | I try switching between gdm and kdm |
| 18:42.15 | seeds | pentium dual-core |
| 18:42.40 | kibibyte | do you know some tool to read image from scratched dvd? i have dvd , i can play it but when im using k3b it stops at 45% when making image from dvd becaouse of read error |
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| 18:43.03 | pumpkin0 | seeds: google for intel powertop. It is a tool tofind the worst power-wasting programs (regarding the cpu). The gfx and other stuff has to managed with other tools. |
| 18:43.33 | stew | seeds: do you have frequency scaling enabled? do you have laptop-mode installed? |
| 18:43.33 | seeds | ok. thanks pumpkin0 |
| 18:43.42 | stew | (and yes, powertop is where you should start) |
| 18:43.53 | stew | seeds: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:44.10 | pumpkin0 | seeds: there are also patches to undervolt these CPUs. They are not troublefree and may cause instability. But they do save a fair bit of power. |
| 18:44.14 | seeds | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 18:44.21 | hoxu | kibibyte, ddrescue |
| 18:44.21 | seeds | k |
| 18:44.48 | stew | seeds: you'd do well to upgrade to 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 so you get to use NO_HZ which will significantly decrease the number of interrupts |
| 18:44.53 | trifler | I have a server with debian on it. It has no desktop I only use it in cli-mode to run irssi from so far. But if I wanted to remote desktop to it from and use it. What should i be looking for? |
| 18:44.56 | kai4711 | hi guys.. i want to check the "ulimit -n" value of a user on my debian system while logged in as root. i tried with su but it doesnt echo something :-( |
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| 18:45.07 | seeds | ok stew. |
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| 18:46.01 | pumpkin0 | seeds: and check the gfx-chip. It is the 3. biggest powerwaster (followed by the WLAN-chip, topped by the brightness setting of the screen and the CPU). |
| 18:46.05 | hoxu | kai4711, /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 18:46.37 | seeds | k. pumpkin0 |
| 18:46.40 | SerajewelKS | what's a good livecd that supports being booted off a SATA drive? |
| 18:47.11 | SerajewelKS | i just put my drives in a new box and got the expected grub error 22, but knoppix can't find the cd-rom drive to mount itself |
| 18:47.13 | stew | SerajewelKS: http://live.debian.net? |
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| 18:47.56 | SerajewelKS | as long as i can chroot and knock some sense into grub i'll be happy |
| 18:48.10 | stew | SerajewelKS: the cd you installed debian from? |
| 18:48.29 | klync | i just installed samba, and i can't seem to create a new account using the default passwd mechanism... when i do "smbpasswd -D 10 -a username", i get: tdbsam_open: successfully opened /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb / pdb_getsampwnam (TDB): error fetching database. / Error: Record does not exist / Key: USER_smbdrop |
| 18:49.22 | SerajewelKS | stew: not sure i still have that |
| 18:49.29 | SerajewelKS | i can look though |
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| 18:49.43 | SerajewelKS | stew: last time i tried to reinstall grub from the d-i cd it fucked up royally |
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| 18:50.03 | kai4711 | hoxu: limits.conf seems not to work (its a debian 4.0 on amazon ec2 virtual server hosting) |
| 18:50.26 | seeds | how can i disable sound from the speakers when i plug in headphones? |
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| 18:51.33 | tralala | seeds, with some module parameter... I think |
| 18:52.08 | seeds | k. |
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| 18:52.42 | guax | hello, i need to make a custom debian distribution, but i started with google, but results aren't coming in a satisfatory way, can someone recommend one documentation? |
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| 18:53.06 | wols_ | !customcd |
| 18:53.10 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 18:53.10 | dpkg | [custom cd] So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 18:53.12 | tralala | guax, /msg dpkg dfs |
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| 18:54.40 | action09 | oyp |
| 18:54.48 | SerajewelKS | stew: the etch d-i can't find the drive either |
| 18:54.51 | guax | tralala: wols_ thanks |
| 18:54.59 | SerajewelKS | if this onboard sata controller isn't supported by linux ima be pissed |
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| 18:56.13 | hoxu | seeds, if it's a laptop, try newer alsa |
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| 18:57.02 | seeds | k |
| 18:57.12 | seeds | it is a toshiba notebook |
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| 18:57.49 | guax | tralala: you know if it is possible to build the image from another linux system? |
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| 18:58.33 | tralala | guax, what exactly do you need to do? |
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| 18:59.31 | guax | tralala: a debian cd that install automaticaly our custom asterisk packages and install mysql and php in a basic system to run this stuff |
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| 19:00.08 | stew | guax: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 19:00.27 | stew | guax: there are several pages there about creating custom install cds |
| 19:00.40 | socken23 | Hi all! I don't know debian too well, but need to help someone installing mysql version 4. How can I tell aptitute to use an older version of mysql? |
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| 19:01.01 | guax | yes, im reading this, i just wondering if i could buid from another distro, but im seeing i will need to make a development machine for this |
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| 19:01.37 | stew | guax: you could do it from a chroot you create with debootstrap |
| 19:01.54 | woden1 | How to get suspend to work in Lenny? When I suspend, the laptop cannot wake up. |
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| 19:02.05 | SerajewelKS | the pciid is 1002:438c |
| 19:02.05 | guax | stew: ok, thank you, i will concentrate on the docs |
| 19:02.11 | SerajewelKS | any idea how recent support is for this device |
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| 19:03.51 | abrotman | socken23: which version of debian? |
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| 19:04.45 | socken23 | abrotman: 4.0 |
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| 19:04.53 | abrotman | doesn't have mysql4 |
| 19:05.09 | socken23 | oh oh.. Anything I can do about that? |
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| 19:05.23 | socken23 | Because they have an application that doesn't work with mysql 5 |
| 19:05.31 | stew | SerajewelKS: do you really need 4.0? note that it isn't getting security updates |
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| 19:05.41 | stew | err |
| 19:05.42 | stew | socken23: ^^ |
| 19:05.44 | abrotman | socken23: fix the application ? :) |
| 19:05.59 | socken23 | Hehe, that's one solution. But not my problem :-) |
| 19:06.04 | abrotman | socken23: i'm sure #mysql could tell you, but there aren't official package for etch + mysql4 |
| 19:06.06 | SerajewelKS | man no matter what i try i cannot get linux to boot on this mobo |
| 19:06.07 | socken23 | Besides, it's only accessible through vpn |
| 19:06.22 | socken23 | security shouldn't be a big issue |
| 19:06.55 | chops | socken23: Famous last words |
| 19:07.02 | socken23 | :-D |
| 19:07.32 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 19:07.32 | socken23 | Why does 'aptitude search mysql' list mysql-server-4.1 if it's not supported!? |
| 19:07.32 | dpkg | driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 19:07.45 | chops | socken23: Physically separated military and nuclear-plant networks are famous for getting infected by every new Windows virus to come along, as people plug infected laptops into the physically separated networks and infect everything |
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| 19:08.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: how'm i gonna paste into there when it can't give me any drives to save the paste to? |
| 19:08.06 | chops | socken23: Your VPN is probably not as good as physical separation, which is known to be insufficient :-) |
| 19:08.09 | socken23 | chops: Mhh... that sounds plausible |
| 19:08.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i did it already |
| 19:08.18 | stew | socken23: the mysql-server-4.1 package is there as a trasitional package to upgrade users from 4.1 to 5.0 automatically, it doesn't actually contain 4.1 |
| 19:08.22 | socken23 | But still, NOT my problem :-D |
| 19:08.26 | deadcat | what ftp client let me move files around on the remote server? |
| 19:08.31 | deadcat | no shell access |
| 19:08.34 | socken23 | stew: ah ok! |
| 19:08.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: supported since 2.6.24 |
| 19:08.41 | socken23 | Well guys, thanks for the quick help then |
| 19:08.49 | stew | socken23: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 19:08.57 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: driver atiixp |
| 19:09.05 | abrotman | socken23: you could try the mysql4 packages from sarge .. but they're not supported by anyone officially and may not run at all |
| 19:09.15 | SerajewelKS | that explains why this old crap won't boot it |
| 19:09.21 | socken23 | abrotman: Well, I might try that, thanks |
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| 19:09.29 | abrotman | socken23: or ask #mysql :) |
| 19:09.30 | socken23 | As long as it works somehow, my job is done |
| 19:09.32 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: afaik the drive is still sda, why would grub not be able to boot from it? |
| 19:09.34 | tralala | deadcat, every ftp client |
| 19:09.38 | socken23 | abrotman: will do! |
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| 19:09.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: a new sata controller chip with no ahci? |
| 19:09.51 | deadcat | tralala: i am using ftp, but i dont see the move command |
| 19:09.56 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ahci? |
| 19:10.01 | tralala | deadcat, try rename |
| 19:10.03 | valdyn | !ahci |
| 19:10.04 | dpkg | it has been said that ahci is Advanced Host Controller Interface |
| 19:10.07 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i don't think i have that enabled in the bios |
| 19:10.09 | SerajewelKS | looks |
| 19:10.13 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you should enable that |
| 19:10.24 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its the best sata driver |
| 19:10.37 | pozic | nvidia-glx cannot currently be installed due to dependency problems. Is the maintainer sleeping when he/she presses the upload button? |
| 19:11.04 | tralala | pozic, yes, that's a requirement for all the maintainers |
| 19:11.13 | pozic | tralala: ok, that explains a lot. |
| 19:11.14 | streuner | pozic: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:11.23 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its like vesa, one layer to make an ahci driver work with alot of drivers, except that its not slowing stuff down like vesa does for gfx |
| 19:11.38 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its like vesa, one layer to make an ahci driver work with alot of _devices_, except that its not slowing stuff down like vesa does for gfx |
| 19:11.38 | pozic | streuner: 2.7-11 |
| 19:11.46 | kai4711 | now i "su -m username" and typed ulimit -n 5000 and i get bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
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| 19:12.08 | pozic | streuner: the dependency is on some nvidia-kernel package that does not exist. |
| 19:12.36 | chops | pozic: Dependencies are not kept in order for sid as they are for testing. In your particular case, it sounds like you'll need to install an nvidia module for your kernel. |
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| 19:12.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: grub not being able to boot off a device is only between bios and grub, linux isnt involved.. |
| 19:12.58 | pozic | chops: what kind of logic is that? |
| 19:13.10 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hrm |
| 19:13.13 | pozic | chops: one can compute whether or not dependencies are met or not. |
| 19:13.28 | socken23 | found a german article about etch and mysql 4, seems to work. If anyone speaks german: http://www.howtoforge.de/howto/wie-man-mysql-41-und-php4-auf-debian-etch-installiert/ |
| 19:13.29 | socken23 | ;-) |
| 19:13.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i have two onchip sata mode options: IDE/AHCI/RAID or nativeide/legacyide/RAID |
| 19:13.32 | tralala | pozic, when you try food that's being cooked at the moment, you can't expect it to have all the ingrediants of a final meal |
| 19:13.41 | chops | pozic: There are two separate issues -- one of which is a general issue, and one which is affecting you. |
| 19:13.49 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i tried AHCI/nativeide, still error 22 |
| 19:14.11 | pozic | tralala: yes, but cooking a package shouldn't take more than a few days, imho. |
| 19:14.16 | chops | pozic: The general issue, which is _not_ affecting you I don't believe, is that at random times sid may not have all dependencies satisfiable. That's part of sid. |
| 19:14.31 | stew | pozic: "m-a a-i nvidia" builds this package for you |
| 19:14.40 | chops | pozic: The specific issue that is affecting you (I believe) is that nvidia requires a kernel driver to operate properly. See what stew said. |
| 19:14.44 | dudeman | hi |
| 19:14.58 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: theres not that much that can go wrong there |
| 19:14.58 | stew | pozic: i believe everything is currently is as expected |
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| 19:15.07 | sigp239 | How to get suspend to work in Lenny? When I suspend, the laptop cannot wake up. |
| 19:15.09 | chops | pozic: It's not a matter of the maintainer failing to do anything, it's that packaging up binary kernel drivers is a bit tricky. |
| 19:15.14 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hrm |
| 19:15.23 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i dont know what error 22 means, did you already get grubs menu? |
| 19:15.34 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no, this is when it's loading stage1.5 |
| 19:15.54 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so grub is trying to load stage stuff off the wrong disk possibly |
| 19:16.03 | pozic | stew: it seems to do something useful. Why doesn't the nvidia-glx package do these steps? |
| 19:16.05 | SerajewelKS | possibly |
| 19:16.10 | SerajewelKS | or it doesn't see any disk, i don't know |
| 19:16.22 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no, thats not possible |
| 19:16.36 | stew | pozic: becuase they won't be necessary for people running the released version of lenny with the kernel that lenny releases with |
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| 19:16.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: your bios managed to find at least one disk, hence grub will be able to find one disk too |
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| 19:16.55 | SerajewelKS | well i could try unplugging my cd-rom drive and my unformatted drive |
| 19:17.03 | stew | pozic: or if you run this one one machine, you could move the resulting package to other machiens, or install the resulting package from a repsitory instead of having to build it |
| 19:17.17 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: was the unformatted driver plugged in when you installed grub? |
| 19:17.22 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: was the unformatted drive plugged in when you installed grub? |
| 19:18.20 | stew | pozic: if you read the documentation to these packages it would be clearer to you |
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| 19:18.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no |
| 19:18.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i just unplugged all the other drives and it still won't boot |
| 19:18.45 | pozic | stew: README.Debian for $PACKAGE? |
| 19:18.50 | SerajewelKS | all i need is a minimal CD with 2.6.24 :( |
| 19:18.51 | stew | pozic: yes |
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| 19:19.08 | stew | pozic: "Please see the nvidia-kernel-source package for building the kernel module required by this package. This will provide nvidia-kernel-<version>" |
| 19:19.15 | stew | pozic: that is in "apt-cache show nvidia-glx" |
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| 19:19.27 | py_ | hello |
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| 19:20.01 | Lagbolt | hi |
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| 19:20.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you really only need a grub boot disk |
| 19:20.26 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: or that |
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| 19:21.05 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the grub-disk package has floppy and cdrom images |
| 19:21.07 | py_ | I've a strange problem on some debian boxes (all have the same hardware): the usb devices (bluetooth dongles) which are plugged in at boot time are sometimes *not* detected. But after the boot, if I unplug and replug the device, it is detected and works flawlessly. I'm quite puzzled, any hint? |
| 19:21.41 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: bi linuce CD around? |
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| 19:22.08 | pozic | Also, all other times it was suggested that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would allow me to set nvidia as the graphics driver, instead of nv, but when I run it, I don't get that option. |
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| 19:22.37 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: also changing/disabling drives around while installing grub is not a good idea. often changes bios order for disks and then grub will fail badly |
| 19:22.39 | Lagbolt | pozic when you get the new xorg.conf, just add it to the Device section |
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| 19:22.52 | wols_ | pozic: only when the nvidia packages are already installed |
| 19:23.02 | hfreelidoo | wols_: the crossover cables are a lie. They aren't in any computer stores in my city. |
| 19:23.07 | stew | pozic: no, as of 7.3 it would be detected when you start x |
| 19:23.24 | Lagbolt | stew, is that so? i just updated mine last night and it def did not detect nvidia |
| 19:23.28 | wols_ | hfreelidoo: they are. or your computer stores don't deserve their names |
| 19:23.31 | SerajewelKS | wols_: what linux cd around? |
| 19:23.39 | py_ | I tried various combinations of noapic, nolapic, noacpi, ... with no success. I found quite a few examples of the same problem on the way, but inverted (devices do not get detected if plugged *after* boot), but nothing about this one |
| 19:23.43 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: most anyone |
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| 19:23.48 | stew | Lagbolt: what version of the x server are you running? |
| 19:23.53 | Lagbolt | 7.3+10 |
| 19:24.17 | stew | Lagbolt: there is a known bug with the maintainer scripts that is awaiting an upload, this could be the cuase |
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| 19:24.27 | Lagbolt | stew, ah excellent :) |
| 19:24.44 | SerajewelKS | wols_: the ones i have don't use grub at all it seems |
| 19:24.58 | Lagbolt | stew, is it supposed to load glx module automatically as well? |
| 19:25.02 | tralala | py_, I have no idea where the problem could be coming from, but you might try reloading the usb modules at boot time as a workaround |
| 19:25.10 | stew | Lagbolt: so if you boot up with no device section at all, which driver do you end up with? |
| 19:25.29 | pozic | stew: it appears to be using the nv driver. |
| 19:25.38 | Lagbolt | stew, i dont remember, i am not at that machine. i will check it out when i go to work tho |
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| 19:25.58 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: and it's not neded on a cd. usually doesn't work either there. but you can boot something, moount the partition and chroot or give the cd kernel another root=parameter |
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| 19:26.24 | py_ | tralala: how can I do that? |
| 19:26.24 | stew | pozic: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf then |
| 19:26.24 | Lagbolt | stew, do you have to have the kernel module loaded for proper detection? normally my kern module loads when i start X in that situation |
| 19:26.31 | stew | Lagbolt: i don't know |
| 19:26.39 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i think you missed most of this discussion |
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| 19:27.04 | tralala | py_, /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 19:27.06 | SerajewelKS | wols_: the driver i need for my sata controller is in 2.6.24 and newer; i don't have a livecd with that recent of a kernel on it yet |
| 19:27.24 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: you current PC has a burner? |
| 19:27.41 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i am working on one image, it has a few hours left |
| 19:27.54 | SerajewelKS | wols_: no reason i can't try other stuff in the meantime |
| 19:27.58 | wols_ | hours? for 150MB? |
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| 19:28.38 | SerajewelKS | wols_: live.debian.net is slow as fuck today |
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| 19:28.40 | py_ | tralala: thanlks |
| 19:28.48 | tralala | py_, you're welcome |
| 19:28.56 | jeremy_c | Is anyone experiencing excessive smtp connections? About 1 of 5 connections are making it to my exim server on debian due to "too many connections". My server has been up for ~1 year no problems. No recent changes. |
| 19:28.57 | py_ | tralala: will first try by hand |
| 19:29.02 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: and live.debian.net is the wrong image |
| 19:29.10 | wols_ | !tell SerajewelKS about kmuto |
| 19:29.18 | jeremy_c | I asked in #exim and chris there said the same thing is happening to him, he's no where near me on the net. |
| 19:29.47 | SerajewelKS | wols_: an etch d-i is going to have 2.6.24? |
| 19:29.51 | jeremy_c | It started about 40 minutes ago. |
| 19:30.03 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: yes. this one it is |
| 19:30.09 | wols_ | -it |
| 19:30.14 | SerajewelKS | wols_: yeah i think i just successfully parsed the factoid |
| 19:30.26 | pozic | stew: I get the usual "failed to initialize the GLX module...". |
| 19:30.27 | tralala | jeremy_c, spam? DoS attach? |
| 19:30.38 | wols_ | pozic: you get more than that |
| 19:30.43 | jeremy_c | tralala, I do not know, I am only 1/2 a system admin :-( |
| 19:30.51 | jeremy_c | it seems to be from all sorts of IP's |
| 19:30.57 | wols_ | pozic: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 19:31.19 | py_ | tralala: rmmod uhci_hcd; modprobe uhci_hcd doesn't find any more device, it only "re-detects" those wo were already found |
| 19:31.38 | tralala | jeremy_c, you might need a real admin for this task. You could also try contacting your ISP - they should know if something's going on. |
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| 19:32.07 | tralala | py_, so the bt dognle is not detected? |
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| 19:32.29 | pozic | wols_: ok, I suppose I didn't install the X nvidia driver, but just the kernel driver with module assistant. In that case the problem should be solved shortly. |
| 19:32.54 | wols_ | yes |
| 19:33.11 | pozic | wols_: it loads now, but crashes. |
| 19:33.59 | jeremy_c | tralala, how long will a DoS attack go on? |
| 19:34.10 | jeremy_c | all other services are up fine, it's only email it's affecting. |
| 19:34.12 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, untill it ends |
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| 19:34.24 | py_ | tralala: no, at the moment there is no trace of it at all (as if it did not exist). But If I unplug it, and replug it, it will get detected and work! |
| 19:34.26 | nolimitsoya | *is ended by the attacer |
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| 19:34.52 | jeremy_c | is it typically hours, days, years or no stats? |
| 19:34.54 | abrotman | nolimitsoya: or the guys in black suits :) |
| 19:34.59 | nolimitsoya | ^^ |
| 19:35.00 | tralala | jeremy_c, you should report the problem to your ISP. They should take measures. |
| 19:35.08 | DawnLight | anyone knows where the flash plugin gets installed in user's homes? |
| 19:35.14 | jeremy_c | tralala, ok. will do. |
| 19:35.25 | SerajewelKS | wols_: only 40 minutes on this one :/ |
| 19:35.35 | nolimitsoya | tralala, i wouldnt expect them to be effective. you cant ever defend against a ddos |
| 19:35.37 | pozic | DawnLight: when you install it via the package manager, it won't. |
| 19:35.53 | abrotman | but there are things you can do |
| 19:35.55 | tralala | DawnLight, .mozilla, or .firefox, or .somebrowser |
| 19:36.07 | DawnLight | tralala: sure? where in it? |
| 19:36.12 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: we gotta collect for you to get a faster inet connection :) |
| 19:36.16 | jeremy_c | is that truly what this is? I figured a dos attack would hit all services? |
| 19:36.33 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, it might or it mightnt |
| 19:36.44 | tralala | DawnLight, search for it |
| 19:36.45 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, whats the problem? |
| 19:36.59 | DawnLight | tralala: how? |
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| 19:37.05 | tralala | DawnLight, man find |
| 19:37.18 | jeremy_c | nolimitsoya, about 50 min ago now, my mail server just started going crazy. faster than I can read "Connection refused too many connections" type messages are flying by. |
| 19:37.28 | abrotman | jeremy_c: it depends .. either contact your ISP or wait it out .. we won't be able to help you much |
| 19:37.34 | jeremy_c | nolimitsoya, it takes 5 or so attempts via telnet for me to get a connection to my own mailserver. |
| 19:37.55 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, are those incoming connections? |
| 19:37.58 | jeremy_c | abrotman, I've contacted them, just trying to learn a bit more now. |
| 19:38.00 | jeremy_c | nolimitsoya, yes. |
| 19:38.02 | jeremy_c | connection from... |
| 19:38.15 | jeremy_c | 2008-05-28 15:38:08 SMTP connection from [208.112.85.91]:44527 I=[206.251.255.105]:25 (TCP/IP connection count = 18) |
| 19:38.21 | py_ | tralala: I can add that the dongle's led is not lit at boot, and it keeps "looking off" until I unplug-replug it. It then comes to life and works |
| 19:38.25 | tralala | nolimitsoya, they usually have to deal with this kind of problems every now and then, so I'd expect a serious ISP to be rather prepared. |
| 19:38.28 | abrotman | THAT'S MY IP!!! |
| 19:38.45 | pozic | wols_: so basically I need to wait some undefined number of days before this is fixed? |
| 19:38.47 | abrotman | jeremy_c: they're all coming from one IP ? |
| 19:38.50 | wols_ | abrotman is a h4x0r! burn him! |
| 19:38.52 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, if this isnt distributed, just drop all packets from that source at your firewalls gates |
| 19:38.59 | jeremy_c | abrotman, no. it's not one ip. |
| 19:39.11 | abrotman | jeremy_c: a certain set? or more than you can count? |
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| 19:39.21 | jeremy_c | 2008-05-28 15:37:58 Connection from [63.146.165.189]:37923 I=[206.251.255.105]:25 refused: too many connections |
| 19:39.21 | wols_ | pozic: all you can do is bark at nvidia. proprietary software is not our problem |
| 19:39.24 | wols_ | pozic: what videocard? |
| 19:39.29 | jeremy_c | (last paste)... I have not been able to find a pattern. |
| 19:39.32 | slimjimflim | anybody know where to get docs on making my own deb packages? |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | !mg |
| 19:39.37 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 19:39.53 | slimjimflim | kewl |
| 19:40.06 | tralala | py_, do you have many usb devices plugged in? |
| 19:40.17 | nolimitsoya | tralala, thing is, you cant fight of the attack if there is no defined source |
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| 19:41.05 | chops | pozic: Historically it's often been a lot longer than days |
| 19:41.06 | jeremy_c | abrotman, are you serious it's your IP? |
| 19:41.10 | nolimitsoya | tralala, sure, you can drop packages and all, but if there are enough of them, all your resources are tied up dropping, and the attack is still effective |
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| 19:41.24 | chops | nolimitsoya: 'packets', not 'packages' |
| 19:41.25 | nolimitsoya | tralala, ddos is a bitch |
| 19:41.37 | abrotman | jeremy_c: no it's not ... |
| 19:41.53 | robin_sz | ok, im probably being stupid .. but, having installed gcc and libc6 .. how come i can;t seem to find stdio.h math.h etc cetc etc |
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| 19:42.06 | abrotman | robin_sz: manpages-dev |
| 19:42.12 | wols_ | !tell robin_sz about build-essential |
| 19:42.16 | py_ | tralala: 3 of these dongles |
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| 19:42.23 | wols_ | abrotman: bzzzt wrong. |
| 19:42.26 | wols_ | OXIj: lic |
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| 19:42.27 | abrotman | oh .. not the man pages .. doh |
| 19:42.27 | pozic | wols_: this proprietary software makes a lot of applications possible. I just want 3 years old top OpenGL performance. AFAIK, the Intel stuff doesn't do that yet. |
| 19:42.29 | wols_ | libc6-dev |
| 19:42.33 | rmop | hello |
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| 19:42.37 | robin_sz | thnaks |
| 19:42.43 | tralala | nolimitsoya, firewalling a ddos attach is the least effective solution. Normally you detect the botnet's ISPs and arange with them or with their uplevel ISP the blocking of the source. |
| 19:42.48 | py_ | tralala: but problem does not change if I plug less than 3, or even just 1 |
| 19:42.49 | robin_sz | like i said, im probably stupid :) |
| 19:42.55 | wols_ | pozic: since you don't answer any of my questions, please stop talking to me. good day |
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| 19:43.41 | nolimitsoya | tralala, again, there is the issue of scale... botnets can be somewhat large |
| 19:43.45 | pozic | wols_: I know my card is supported. That's all you wanted to know, no? |
| 19:43.45 | jeremy_c | it seems to have stopped. |
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| 19:43.50 | chops | pozic: Be that as it may, it's still not possible for Debian to fix bugs in sourceless proprietary software. It's not a choice anyone at Debian made, it's just the way it is. |
| 19:43.59 | wols_ | pozic: no I wanted to now what I asked. now go away |
| 19:44.10 | pascat | Having a little problem here :) |
| 19:44.14 | tralala | nolimitsoya, it could surely be difficult but your best bet is still your ISP |
| 19:44.21 | jeremy_c | does the attacker just try to attack for a while and if it doesn't go down figure they will move on? |
| 19:44.33 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, test fire |
| 19:44.37 | wols_ | jeremy_c: can't say. depends on the goal of the attacker |
| 19:44.39 | pozic | chops: they can fix bugs, it's just too much work to do so. |
| 19:44.57 | stew | pozic: how would Debian fix bugs? |
| 19:45.06 | wols_ | stew: hexeditor! |
| 19:45.07 | nolimitsoya | jeremy_c, "yes, the weapon does fire... now to find a worthy target" |
| 19:45.09 | tralala | py_, do you have any other usb devices? I'm thinking that your usb hub can be sucked out of power. |
| 19:45.11 | stew | wols_: that would be illegal |
| 19:45.19 | wols_ | but doable! |
| 19:45.25 | pascat | I'm having a little problem with xorg not detecting my screen >.> Um, anyone knows how I can fix that? |
| 19:45.40 | wols_ | pascat: what videocard? |
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| 19:45.45 | pozic | stew: why would it be illegal to spread patches that users apply in the package manager? |
| 19:45.47 | chops | pozic: They _can_ come over to your house and empty out their wallets into your mailslot, too. That doesn't mean it's a reasonable thing to ask them to do. You're free to volunteer to be the new bug fixer for bugs in the nvidia binary blob. |
| 19:45.59 | stew | pozic: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if that doesn't work, show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:46.10 | stew | pozic: send patches to what source code? |
| 19:46.13 | pascat | nVidia... not sure which model exactly. |
| 19:46.22 | wols_ | pascat: lspci |
| 19:46.33 | stew | pozic: and yes, it would be illegal |
| 19:46.35 | pozic | chops: I was not suggesting they should do that; just that it is possible. |
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| 19:46.41 | pascat | ok... guess I have to quit and come back with that lspci thingy... |
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| 19:46.55 | wols_ | pascat: are you on windows in the same machine? |
| 19:47.15 | stew | pozic: and i'm saying its not possible |
| 19:47.27 | py_ | tralala: no, just those 3 dongles, no other USB stuff at all. And they're plugged directly off the motherboard. I don't think it's current related, as they do not trigger over-current errors when used after having been deplugged/replugged |
| 19:47.39 | pascat | Nope, and my other machine doesn't have access to internet yet. |
| 19:47.40 | pozic | stew: are you talking about the US or everyone that signed the Berne treaty? |
| 19:47.50 | stew | pozic: neither |
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| 19:48.02 | stew | pozic: i'm talking about debian |
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| 19:48.11 | pascat | so, brb! |
| 19:48.34 | pozic | stew: the only reason it might be illegal is copyright infringement. Debian doesn't have deep pockets to test new legal ground. Is that the reason, because I don't see why else. |
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| 19:48.48 | stew | pozic: debian has to obey copyrights |
| 19:48.48 | tralala | py_, I'm out of ideas, sorry. |
| 19:49.04 | chops | pozic: Copyright infringement is not "new legal ground". It's pretty clear-cut. |
| 19:49.18 | SerajewelKS | wols_: it'd probably have worked better if i had moved the hard drive that had / on it to the new box |
| 19:49.21 | deadcat | whats the default 404 file for apache 1.3? |
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| 19:49.29 | hellues | !msg dpkg !paste |
| 19:49.33 | hellues | !msg dpkg !paste |
| 19:49.35 | pozic | stew: is it copyright infringement to say: at position 103233 of file foo.binary insert 2983492, etc? |
| 19:49.41 | stew | pozic: yes |
| 19:49.46 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: I doubt it. it seems you have problems loading stage15 which means you will have to reinstall grub |
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| 19:49.57 | stew | pozic: please reread the coypright |
| 19:50.04 | stew | pozic: err, license agreement |
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| 19:50.13 | py_ | tralala: thanks for trying anyway :-) |
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| 19:50.49 | pozic | stew: this is an nvidia specific thing (the license), because for general copyright it would be surprising for me. |
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| 19:51.05 | wols_ | stew: shaky ground there. click through EULA. but things like DMCA and EUCD would still cover it and make it actionable. not to mention how hard it would actually be. and last but not least: the driver isn't even in debian |
| 19:51.18 | pascat | Ok! I'm back with the lspci. that was ...annoying. but lspci didn't identify the card, just that its nVidia Corp, 0402 (at the end) |
| 19:51.18 | wols_ | pozic: then you have slept the last 12 years |
| 19:51.26 | stew | pozic: yes, the general copyright would say that debian cannot make copies at all including making it available to download, nvidia has granted a license which allows coyping but not midification |
| 19:51.33 | DDave | when writing an usermanual, should one explain the whole interface? |
| 19:51.41 | chops | wols_: Click through EULA is not a good description of the license agreement we're redistributing nvidia's code under any more than it is of the GPL |
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| 19:52.15 | stew | wols_: its not shaky ground as far as the debian ftp-masters are concenred which is really all that matters in this discussion |
| 19:52.31 | wols_ | pascat: nvidia gf8600gt. what debian branch? |
| 19:52.40 | chops | wols_: If we weren't redistributing nvidia's blob, then "at position 103233 of file foo.binary insert 2983492" would be perfectly legal as long as it wasn't derived from copyrighted material... but we are redistributing their blob. |
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| 19:52.46 | abrotman | DDave: is it hard to use? :) |
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| 19:53.00 | wols_ | stew: legally, EULAS like this license are, but it would go against debian DFSG and core policies |
| 19:53.04 | pascat | ... Branch? lol now I must really sound like a noob... well, I just downloaded the netinst one for amd64 |
| 19:53.11 | DDave | abrotman, not really, but I've got to do a user manual |
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| 19:53.29 | DawnLight | what is the third paragraph about in /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian? the one about system_aliases director? what is that? |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | DDave: ask your mom to use it .. see what she thinks is confusing |
| 19:53.33 | stew | wols_: so? |
| 19:53.38 | wols_ | chops: again, here it's (sorta) legal to reverse engineer for interoperability purpses which this is. but good luck defending it |
| 19:53.53 | DDave | abrotman, xD nice idea |
| 19:53.58 | stew | wols_: even if it is, debian isn't going to do it if its not allowed by the license |
| 19:54.03 | wols_ | pascat: etch? 4.0r3? |
| 19:54.07 | DDave | abrotman, I don't know what to write about, basically it's just the interface and 3 features |
| 19:54.07 | DDave | xD |
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| 19:54.11 | pascat | yep! |
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| 19:54.40 | pascat | ...I think anyway. I just got the latest one off the site >.> |
| 19:54.44 | wols_ | pascat: etch doesn't support your card out of the box since at the time of release that chip didn't exist. you need to backport nvidia drivers from testing or sid |
| 19:55.06 | pascat | ahh |
| 19:55.16 | wols_ | pascat: the one from nvidia.com is not supported here. ask #nvidia for it. warning: it will break your packaging system int he future more or less badly depending on the update |
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| 19:55.44 | pascat | thanks anyway >.< |
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| 19:56.47 | helo_ | are dpkg's instructions on 'nvidia_post_etch' currently applicable? i can't find the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 19:57.11 | Erik1 | I installed ttttttthe standard system, w/o gnome or kde. then installed xfce4 package. How can I get the system to start up the xfce GUI ? instead of staying at command line ? |
| 19:57.39 | wols_ | helo_: they are |
| 19:57.47 | wols_ | helo_: what debian branch? |
| 19:57.51 | SerajewelKS | is there a driver for 11ab:4364? |
| 19:57.56 | helo_ | lenny |
| 19:57.57 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.24 failed to probe anything |
| 19:57.59 | wols_ | Erik1: install xdm |
| 19:58.16 | wols_ | helo_: you miss contron and non-free |
| 19:58.27 | helo_ | contrib? |
| 19:58.44 | helo_ | i have both in sources.list, for deb and deb-src |
| 19:58.50 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: P4M900? |
| 19:58.55 | wols_ | !tell helo_ about contrib |
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| 19:59.12 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: look for stuff for via. e.g. via_sata |
| 19:59.13 | SerajewelKS | wols_: no clue, it's gigabit ethernet |
| 19:59.51 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.08 | wols_ | marvell. try tg3 perhaps |
| 20:00.31 | SerajewelKS | k |
| 20:00.37 | helo_ | i'm well aware of contrib and non-free... and they're there, and there is no nvidia-kernel-source, only nvidia-cg-toolkit, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-settings, and nvidia-xconfig using aptitude search nvidia |
| 20:00.45 | macsim | hi, would it be possible to force the use of the RAM insteed of the swap ? |
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| 20:00.54 | xir | hi people |
| 20:01.01 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: or yukon if it exists |
| 20:01.26 | helo_ | macsim: yeah, but you probably don't want to |
| 20:01.44 | wols_ | helo_: then you are lucky to be able to backport it from sid |
| 20:01.57 | helo_ | macsim: just disable swap in /etc/fstab, and poof, you will be forced to use ram instead of swap :P |
| 20:02.00 | SerajewelKS | wols_: google suggests sky2 but that didn't work, neither did tg3 |
| 20:02.00 | wols_ | helo_: yesterday it was still theren. nvidia-glx was missing tho |
| 20:02.16 | macsim | helo, I have 4gb of RAM and my box don't passt over 900mb and swap, I just want to use more RAM insteed of swap |
| 20:02.18 | SparFux | Anybody using misdn on 2.6.25? |
| 20:02.22 | wols_ | macsim: swappiness of the kernel can be set too |
| 20:02.26 | pozic | stew: would the the "binary level patch" be considered a derivative work? |
| 20:02.29 | wols_ | !tell SparFux about anyone |
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| 20:02.45 | wols_ | macsim: how do you know it uses any swap? |
| 20:02.46 | pozic | s/the the/the |
| 20:02.46 | macsim | helo, I remember having seen tune option in /proc about that |
| 20:02.59 | wols_ | macsim: yes, swappiness |
| 20:03.06 | macsim | wols_, thanks |
| 20:03.09 | helo_ | macsim: are you having specific performance problems related to your machine's use of swap? |
| 20:03.17 | wols_ | !tell macsim about swappiness |
| 20:03.34 | SparFux | Ok, so is anybody able to compile misdn on 2.6.25 kernel in debian unstable? I have tried git version and stable releases, but it doesn't work.. I can compile git version actually, but it crashes the whole system. |
| 20:03.36 | macsim | helo, yes when I extract something browser hang |
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| 20:04.01 | xir | I'm a problem, I try to install debian sid on a laptop with amd, installation it's ok, but when it's start and I should install gnome-core, bash return me: More packets can't be installed. This can says that is required an impossible situation or it's using "unstable" distribution...... |
| 20:04.12 | xir | anyone can help me?ù |
| 20:04.34 | SerajewelKS | wols_: just kidding |
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| 20:04.46 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i forgot that device names persist, the new card is eth2 |
| 20:05.03 | wols_ | sigh |
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| 20:05.27 | abrotman | xir: paste the actual error |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:05.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:05.54 | xir | wait... |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | puts wols_ in the corner and makes him wait |
| 20:07.13 | wols_ | but I don't wanna! *footstomp* |
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| 20:07.46 | wols_ | makes faces at abrotman from his corner |
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| 20:08.22 | helo_ | so... is the binary nvidia driver not going to be in lenny's non-free ever again? |
| 20:08.48 | wols_ | it probably will. from lenny inception it took about a year until it got them... |
| 20:08.59 | wols_ | well, maybe 9 months |
| 20:09.21 | wols_ | helo_: you want nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid (source) |
| 20:09.27 | helo_ | i've been using etch exclusively until last week, when i decided to jump back into testing... bad timing i guess |
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| 20:09.40 | helo_ | using simple sid backport? |
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| 20:09.43 | xir | abrotman: sorry but ssh have any problem I do not copy exactly and it's italian I must do traduction, now copy the terminal part and past in that site |
| 20:10.05 | chops | xir: LANG=C will put error messages in English |
| 20:10.13 | chops | xir: So for example: LANG=C aptitude update |
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| 20:10.37 | ^Timo | Hi. |
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| 20:10.56 | ^Timo | what is the package name of updatedb and locate |
| 20:11.13 | chops | !tell ^Timo about search |
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| 20:11.16 | ^Timo | got it |
| 20:11.18 | ^Timo | than ks |
| 20:11.21 | fiendskull9 | Hello, Can someone link me to a tutorial or a general help on installing KDE4 on lenny? |
| 20:11.46 | hfreelidoo | Is it normal to see data for machines on your whole LAN (behind a NAT) with tcpdump? |
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| 20:13.22 | Sling | hfreelidoo : if you use a switched network, then you should not see non-broadcast packages |
| 20:13.33 | Sling | if you're probing from another network interface, that is |
| 20:13.42 | xsdg | Sling: "packets"? :o) |
| 20:13.50 | Sling | lol yea that |
| 20:13.52 | Gumby | hi all, is there a channel where I can ask offtopic questions that arent necessarily specifically about debian (topic is ssh tunnelling on a debian server) |
| 20:14.03 | chops | !offtopic |
| 20:14.03 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:14.10 | Sling | Gumby : ask ahead |
| 20:14.16 | Sling | its considered pretty ontopic i think :0 |
| 20:14.18 | Sling | :) |
| 20:14.40 | Gumby | Sling: cool thx. |
| 20:14.50 | fiendskull9 | Hmmm, tcpdump is showing everything off my hub, but kicks it when it hits my router. |
| 20:14.53 | Gumby | I am trying to setup an ssh tunnel and am still in the reading/searching phase. What I am needing to do is go from a windows client to a linux server then over the net to another linux server and then to a windows http server. I am wanting of course, the internet portion of the data to be encrypted by ssh. Does anyone have any solutions for this or a tutorial somewheres? |
| 20:15.03 | Sling | fiendskull9 : with hubs its different |
| 20:15.23 | xir | chops: I do a big error do not make thath command, now I paste error if you say any matters I reinstall OS |
| 20:15.33 | xsdg | Gumby: well, the easy answer is to use openssh on the windows machines with Cygwin |
| 20:15.59 | Gumby | xsdg: Im not sure that is an option as that machine is a hosted box. |
| 20:16.18 | xsdg | aah, hmm... |
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| 20:16.26 | Gumby | xsdg: Im just the middle man that has to come up with a solution here :) |
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| 20:16.51 | xsdg | oh, wait |
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| 20:16.54 | Gumby | from what I understand, it seems to be called ssh multihop tunnelling. |
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| 20:17.12 | Gumby | but the procedure is somewhat tricky. Im still of course, trying to figure it all out |
| 20:17.16 | helo_ | nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.12; however: Package nvidia-kernel-169.12 is not installed.... where do i get this? |
| 20:17.29 | Erik1 | how can I find out a package is already installed ? apt- .... |
| 20:17.36 | xsdg | Gumby: I misread the path; it's just windows <-unenc-> linux <-encrypted-> linux <-encrypted-> windows? |
| 20:17.37 | knoxy | Hi all.. I've a mailserver debian lenny... The mail.log says: SpamAssassin cache hit for message. How can I do to fix it? |
| 20:17.56 | wols_ | Gumby: makes no sense. why two ssh tunnels? 3 hosts are enough |
| 20:17.57 | xsdg | Erik1: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 20:18.01 | xsdg | Erik1: dpkg -l <package> |
| 20:18.05 | knoxy | is this a clamav library? |
| 20:18.17 | xsdg | Erik1: there's probably an aptitude command as well, but I don't know them off-hand |
| 20:18.26 | wols_ | knoxy: it's spamassassin |
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| 20:18.32 | Gumby | xsdg: all correct except the last <-encrypted-> that can be unencrypted |
| 20:18.39 | wols_ | Erik1: dpkg -l <package> |
| 20:19.15 | wols_ | Gumby: you can open a tunnel on the first windows and open one on the first linux ssh host. but again: why? |
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| 20:19.16 | Gumby | wols_: the httpd server does not reside on a linux box. and the clients will also not be linux boxes |
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| 20:19.30 | Heavy-D | If a user logs into a server using vsftpd and they are the owner of a folder why would any files they put in that folder have the permissions of -rw------- by default? |
| 20:19.36 | wols_ | Gumby: doesn't matter. windows-linux-windows is all you need |
| 20:19.47 | wols_ | windows-linux is encrypted, linux-windows is not |
| 20:19.58 | wols_ | unless the 2nd windows host runs a ssh server too |
| 20:19.59 | knoxy | wols_ what parameter I change? |
| 20:20.03 | Gumby | wols_: what will be running on the windows end to decrypt the data? |
| 20:20.06 | knoxy | to fix |
| 20:20.06 | xsdg | wols_: I'll presume you've got this covered |
| 20:20.11 | xsdg | disappears |
| 20:20.15 | dudeman | Heavy-D, i think vsftpd can be configured to apply a default perm set when you create files automatically |
| 20:20.19 | wols_ | Gumby: nothing usually. http is not encrypted |
| 20:20.34 | Heavy-D | dudeman: oh right, I forgot about that.. let me try |
| 20:20.38 | Gumby | wols_: then what will be decrypting the data? |
| 20:20.43 | wols_ | Gumby: as I said: if ALL of it needs to be encrypted, the windows webserver needs to run sshd too or use https |
| 20:20.51 | wols_ | the last linux host does |
| 20:20.54 | knoxy | wols_ I've a OPTIONS="--create-prefs --max-children 5 --helper-home-dir" parameter |
| 20:20.55 | Gumby | in between the linux boxes is the internet, that is where the data needs to be decrypted. |
| 20:21.00 | dudeman | Heavy-D, not positive though |
| 20:21.25 | Gumby | wols_: not all data needs to be encrypted, it will only be specific data. |
| 20:21.28 | wols_ | knoxy: chnage for what puropose? |
| 20:21.42 | Gumby | wols_: there is already an https and http server running on that box. |
| 20:21.48 | wols_ | Gumby: then you need to run something like I said on the windows webserver |
| 20:22.04 | wols_ | Gumby: why can't you use https on that webserver? |
| 20:22.14 | helo_ | wow... what happened to xorg.conf, it's just a skeleton |
| 20:22.19 | wols_ | Gumby: no it needs NOT be decryped between them |
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| 20:22.52 | wols_ | Gumby: the data between the linux hosts needs to be ENcrypted, even when one of those hosts is totally unecessary |
| 20:23.05 | knoxy | wols_ because the messages I cant send and cand receive... the logs reports no errors.. but the messages has no forwarded successfully |
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| 20:23.39 | wols_ | knoxy: does your mail setup without spamassassin? what do you use for local mail delivery? |
| 20:24.02 | Gumby | wols_: I guess http is just an example here. I dont actually know yet what will be xfered. I am just using http as a theoretical example. |
| 20:24.27 | wols_ | Gumby: open a tunnel to the last linux host in your chain and be done with it |
| 20:24.50 | Gumby | wols_: but that last linux host wont be the end point of the chain |
| 20:24.51 | knoxy | wols_ This mailserver is running since 2006... with postfix + maildrop + spamassassin + mysql + MailScanner + bitdefender + clamav |
| 20:24.55 | wols_ | knoxy: does your mail setup work without.... |
| 20:24.57 | Gumby | wols_: the last host is windows |
| 20:25.14 | wols_ | Gumby: read more carefully what I write |
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| 20:25.51 | Gumby | wols_: Im trying to follow here. I really am :) |
| 20:26.09 | wols_ | and you are doing a piss poor job of it. same as the problem description |
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| 20:26.34 | fat-lobyte | Hi |
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| 20:26.39 | wols_ | run a sshd or a VPN server on that last windows box and you are done |
| 20:26.51 | wols_ | connect to it via tunnel or VPN and you're set |
| 20:27.04 | wols_ | however this is not a debian problem |
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| 20:27.25 | xir | this is my problem: http://phpfi.com/320404 |
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| 20:27.41 | wols_ | abrotman: can I come out of my corner now? |
| 20:27.48 | Gumby | sighs. Thats why I asked first before I posed the question and was told to go ahead and ask |
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| 20:28.33 | wols_ | xir: that is the FULL output of your apt-get or aptitude command? ALL of it? |
| 20:28.34 | knoxy | wols_ I will try to stop spamassassin... but... one alert: head:/etc/default# /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon restart -> Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd -> ERROR: LOCAL: Socket file /var/run/clamav/clamd.sock could not be bound: Permission denied..... |
| 20:28.35 | Heavy-D | dudeman: ah well it was worht a shot. didn't work ;( |
| 20:28.37 | knoxy | now.. i set: chown -R clamav:clamav clamav/ |
| 20:28.38 | Heavy-D | *:( |
| 20:28.45 | knoxy | wols_ I'm testing |
| 20:29.04 | wols_ | knoxy: either you are not root or maybe there already is that socket since clamav is already running |
| 20:29.23 | xir | wols_: this is the FULL output when I make apt-get install gnome-core |
| 20:29.49 | wols_ | xir: xir I do not believe you |
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| 20:30.06 | wols_ | there ALWAYS is Reading package lists... |
| 20:30.07 | wols_ | Building dependency tree... |
| 20:30.07 | wols_ | Reading state information... |
| 20:30.11 | abrotman | wols_: as soon as you pull your pants up |
| 20:30.12 | wols_ | otherwise it's a apt-get crash |
| 20:30.30 | wols_ | but I'm comfortable in unedrwear! besieds, it's 10:30pm |
| 20:30.35 | abrotman | xir: that is not the full output |
| 20:30.46 | fat-lobyte | hi, I just compiled gcc from the svn trunk (took a hell lot of time), and now I am realizing that my error messages are in german (my system language is german) |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | !info gnome-appets unstable |
| 20:30.58 | wols_ | xir: full output including what you type |
| 20:31.02 | fat-lobyte | I would quite like to have english error messages |
| 20:31.05 | wols_ | xir: including your bash prompt even |
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| 20:31.17 | fat-lobyte | does anyone have ideas how I could fix that without recompiling everything? |
| 20:31.18 | wols_ | fat-lobyte: export LANG=C |
| 20:31.28 | abrotman | bot? |
| 20:31.31 | wols_ | no need to recompile. linux is not windows |
| 20:31.31 | knightsilver | wols_, you could give him the proper en country code too |
| 20:31.32 | knoxy | wols_ look: May 28 17:30:49 head MailScanner[14966]: New Batch: Found 63 messages waiting |
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| 20:31.45 | knoxy | =( |
| 20:32.01 | wols_ | knoxy: your mailscanner seems to be broken |
| 20:32.20 | xir | wols_: I do not copy directly by shell because ssh have problems, that's is my output, it's bad but it's this |
| 20:32.24 | abrotman | xir: there is no gnome-applets in unstable currently, gnome-core depends on it |
| 20:32.43 | abrotman | oh wtf |
| 20:32.45 | abrotman | there is ? |
| 20:32.52 | wols_ | xir: until you give us what we ask for we cannot help you. that it's not your computer is no excuse |
| 20:33.18 | wols_ | xir: you have root there, it IS _your_ computer |
| 20:33.31 | Heavy-D | Anybody else possibly know why that a file wrote to a directory that the user owns with vsftpd comes with -rw------- permissions automatically? |
| 20:33.35 | fat-lobyte | wols_: allright, that works but the packaged version of gcc uses english error messages anyway, even without this variable. How come? |
| 20:33.46 | knoxy | wols_ all messages is in spamassassin cache... |
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| 20:33.51 | knoxy | =/ |
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| 20:34.01 | abrotman | apparently there is 2.22 gnome-applets but the bot can't find it |
| 20:34.04 | knightsilver | wols_, when i try to install debian 2.1r5 slink, it asks me if i would like to byte compile a module, and then each module that comes up i get a similar question.. wth is bytecompiling, and do i want it? |
| 20:34.06 | knoxy | May 28 17:33:54 head MailScanner[15090]: SpamAssassin cache hit for message 857CE15CDDD.1C3C5 |
| 20:34.07 | knoxy | May 28 17:33:58 head MailScanner[15090]: SpamAssassin cache hit for message 092B210A318.9B1E2 |
| 20:34.20 | wols_ | fat-lobyte: no clue. mustnt. and if you haven't made and installed your gcc via debs I won't and can't help you anyways: not a debian problem |
| 20:34.23 | ^Timo | Hi |
| 20:34.31 | wols_ | knoxy: meaning it is spam |
| 20:34.43 | fat-lobyte | wols_: allright, thanks anyway |
| 20:34.43 | ^Timo | can i download the latest samba package for debian with apt-get? |
| 20:34.43 | xir | reading list of packets.... do reading state information ...... do |
| 20:34.45 | giwe | Is there any way to have CVS expanding a keyword to an arbitrary string? I want to put a standard header in each file. |
| 20:34.52 | knoxy | wols_ New Batch: Found 65 messages waiting |
| 20:34.53 | ^Timo | without having to compile it myself |
| 20:35.03 | wols_ | knightsilver: yes you do. it's sort of a precompile for scripting languages to speed up loading of those files |
| 20:35.03 | xir | this is the first two lines that output |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | giwe: not sure about arbitrary .. but there is some level of that .. ask #cvs |
| 20:35.08 | knoxy | wols_ New Batch: Scanning 30 messages, 9379724 bytes |
| 20:35.16 | abrotman | giwe: might only work with certain words |
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| 20:35.32 | ^Timo | anyone knows a webpage where i can search for packages perhaps unstable or testing so i can add some repos to my sources.list and get it with apt-get |
| 20:35.36 | xir | abrotman: I install debian sid on two laptop with intel and it's works fine |
| 20:35.38 | knightsilver | wols_, will that break if i update gcc or glibc without re-byte-compiling the modules? |
| 20:35.39 | giwe | abrotman: k lemme see at #cvs. |
| 20:35.47 | wols_ | xir: ALL of it I said. come back if you understand things you get told. before that it's hopeless to try to help you |
| 20:36.07 | abrotman | xir: that's why it's called unstable .. enjoy the pieces |
| 20:36.07 | wols_ | knightsilver: libc and gcc have nothing to do with perl |
| 20:36.12 | wols_ | or any script language |
| 20:36.31 | ^Timo | anyone? |
| 20:36.35 | wols_ | knightsilver: but why slink? |
| 20:36.40 | abrotman | !tell ^Timo about bpo |
| 20:36.58 | xir | thanks wols_ |
| 20:37.07 | wols_ | ^Timo: you've already been told hours ago. twice. the answer won#t change if you ask repeatedly. all you do is annoy us |
| 20:37.09 | xir | thanks abrotman |
| 20:37.15 | xir | now i try etch |
| 20:37.19 | abrotman | better plan |
| 20:37.22 | wols_ | xir: very good choice |
| 20:37.26 | helo_ | wow. switching to lenny was completely worth it just for the newer zsnes... the sound emulation sounds perfect at last |
| 20:37.42 | helo_ | i just messed my pants watching the chrono trigger intro |
| 20:37.51 | ^Timo | wols_ |
| 20:37.52 | wols_ | !tmi |
| 20:37.52 | dpkg | methinks tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 20:37.55 | ^Timo | not true. |
| 20:38.00 | knightsilver | wols_ it came on a sampler cd |
| 20:38.02 | ^Timo | first time i ask |
| 20:38.17 | ^Timo | ... |
| 20:38.27 | craigevil | ^Timo: apt-get.org |
| 20:38.28 | wols_ | ^Timo: lieing makes baby jesus cry and us even more angry |
| 20:38.28 | wols_ | 19:41 < wols_> !tell ^Timo about mirrors |
| 20:38.29 | wols_ | 19:41 < stew> ^Timo: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:38.36 | narix | hello |
| 20:38.39 | helo_ | wols_: i have no shame. that one can go on my tomb stone :) |
| 20:38.49 | ^Timo | yeah |
| 20:39.00 | narix | what should be in the /roo/ folder? |
| 20:39.05 | ^Timo | does that have anything to do with the latest samba version ? |
| 20:39.05 | narix | root |
| 20:39.06 | wols_ | narix: nothing |
| 20:39.09 | ^Timo | no i suppose |
| 20:39.17 | ^Timo | i have added the mirrors |
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| 20:39.36 | knightsilver | wols_, what kind of debian do you use? |
| 20:39.45 | knightsilver | not slink? |
| 20:39.49 | ^Timo | and my question whas if it is possible to use the latest samba version with apt-get |
| 20:39.52 | ^Timo | so... |
| 20:39.54 | wols_ | knightsilver: you are supposed to use etch. which is the only officially supported one right now |
| 20:39.59 | knightsilver | etch .. ok |
| 20:40.07 | knightsilver | well if i update slink, that should turn into etch, right? |
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| 20:40.12 | ^Timo | but i got backports thanks abrotman |
| 20:40.13 | wols_ | < ^Timo> anyone knows a webpage where i can search for packages perhaps unstable or testing so i can add some repos to my sources.list and get it with apt-get |
| 20:40.17 | wols_ | that was your question |
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| 20:40.32 | ^Timo | oh sorry |
| 20:40.34 | ^Timo | then |
| 20:40.38 | ^Timo | i whas meaning samba |
| 20:40.42 | ^Timo | sorry wols_ |
| 20:40.47 | abrotman | not mind readers here |
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| 20:40.49 | ^Timo | mixed up the wrong line |
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| 20:41.00 | wols_ | knightsilver: no. it will turn into woody, then into sarge and finally into etch. trouble is you probably can't update to woody anymore anyway |
| 20:41.11 | wols_ | !slink |
| 20:41.11 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 20:41.14 | wols_ | see how old it is? |
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| 20:41.25 | narix | is the /root folder the home for the root user? |
| 20:41.27 | wols_ | oh yes, I even missed potato |
| 20:41.32 | wols_ | narix: yes |
| 20:41.46 | narix | thx |
| 20:41.55 | wols_ | knightsilver: you are trying to use the equivalent of windows98 |
| 20:42.00 | abrotman | he could update to woody .. he just has to piont at archive.debian.org |
| 20:42.14 | wols_ | abrotman: no one sane would... |
| 20:42.20 | abrotman | wols_: 'could' |
| 20:42.22 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:42.42 | claint_ | would probably be faster with a clean netinstall |
| 20:42.51 | wols_ | could try to break the other clavicle. note the "could" |
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| 20:43.35 | knightsilver | Ok. |
| 20:43.38 | knightsilver | so.. |
| 20:43.45 | knightsilver | I should get an etch cd instead i guess |
| 20:43.45 | streuner | what? |
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| 20:43.50 | xsdg | slink? someone has slink? I _started_ on slink :o) |
| 20:44.02 | streuner | !d-i knightsilver |
| 20:44.02 | dpkg | knightsilver, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:45.07 | xsdg | wow... it's so weird thinking about it. Slink had kernel 2.0.X... |
| 20:45.09 | streuner | hm, kmuto is missing in that cmd |
| 20:45.37 | wols_ | knightsilver: what hardware? cpu, video, mobo? |
| 20:45.59 | knoxy | wols_ I change the value of MailScanner.conf "Max Spam Check Size = 1500"... and now all messages says: is too big for spam checks (2023 > 1500 bytes) |
| 20:46.05 | knightsilver | wols_, celeron , ati, some prepackaged mobo |
| 20:46.22 | knoxy | this "size" is of cache? |
| 20:46.25 | wols_ | should be fine then with etch |
| 20:46.28 | knightsilver | k |
| 20:46.39 | wols_ | knoxy: file on disk most likely |
| 20:46.40 | knightsilver | i've been using from source distros, gets realll tiresome :) |
| 20:46.56 | streuner | if videocard isn't working, just choose "vga" as driver |
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| 20:47.11 | wols_ | knoxy: spamassassin is a CPU and memory hog, so caching former results (spam often gets sent more than once) makes sense to save cpu cycles |
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| 20:50.28 | knoxy | wols_ what file I will need to change to fix this problem? |
| 20:50.35 | knoxy | MailScanner.conf? |
| 20:50.58 | wols_ | knoxy: dunno |
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| 20:53.17 | Kev | hi guyz |
| 20:53.21 | Kev | s* |
| 20:54.08 | wols_ | knoxy: messaging people unasked is not a smart thing to do. good day |
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| 20:54.26 | abrotman | there is a #spamassassin |
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| 20:54.54 | ^Timo | wols_ : do you know how i can remove a manual compiled samba app can remove from my system ? |
| 20:55.40 | wols_ | ^Timo: sometimes with make uninstall. but: not supported here. ask #samba |
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| 20:57.28 | spiekey | hi |
| 20:57.34 | spiekey | where can i still get a Sarge Iso? |
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| 20:59.03 | wols_ | !sarge |
| 20:59.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 20:59.09 | streuner | ask some friend in a LUG |
| 20:59.28 | wols_ | !oldstable |
| 20:59.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:59.32 | Sling | spiekey : http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
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| 20:59.40 | streuner | wols_: or that :-) |
| 21:00.13 | streuner | spiekey: but wth you want use sarge? |
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| 21:02.50 | spiekey | streuner: just to see if i can find some working exploits :) |
| 21:03.11 | Vasistha | hum. I seem to have, uh, forgotten the password to my encrypted root drive over here. d'oh. It's frustrating to have to reboot after only 3 guesses, so ... taking a look at the boot partition, is there an easy way to detect how I should be attempting to mount this thing from another running computer, so I can make more than 3 guesses in a row? |
| 21:04.14 | dudeman | Vasistha, hack attack! |
| 21:05.15 | Vasistha | I'm working on making a list of possible passwords :) |
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| 21:05.50 | Vasistha | of course I would probably spend more time trying to figure out how to mount this thing from another computer than I would just rebooting over and over |
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| 21:10.09 | FrankTheTank | i installed xorg and apartently i set the default resolution to high so how do i change that |
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| 21:10.58 | Vasistha | FrankTheTank: are you unable to see a picture, and need to change your xorg.conf from text mode? Or are you in a graphical environment and want to change it dynamically? |
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| 21:11.15 | FrankTheTank | text mode |
| 21:11.18 | Erik1 | in which package is network-admin ? |
| 21:11.30 | Vasistha | !tell FrankTheTank about drxx |
| 21:11.50 | streuner | Erik1: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:12.08 | FrankTheTank | Vasistha: it boots into graphical mode and just changes random colors like a color test |
| 21:12.14 | FrankTheTank | i dont have time to do anything in text mode |
| 21:12.37 | Vasistha | FrankTheTank: press ctrl-alt-f2, that will put you in text mode |
| 21:12.54 | FrankTheTank | nope |
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| 21:13.24 | pallu | hello all of you |
| 21:13.38 | pallu | how can i install gtk-gnutella |
| 21:13.49 | Vasistha | FrankTheTank: ctrl-alt-f1 ? if that doesn't work ... you've got another more serious problem I guess :) you can boot into single-user mode (there should be an option for that in your grub menu) |
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| 21:14.25 | FrankTheTank | it didnt work |
| 21:14.34 | FrankTheTank | after installing debian, im starting to like it more and more /sarcasm |
| 21:14.39 | Erik1 | pallu: apt-get ? |
| 21:14.51 | pallu | : Couldn't find package gtk-gnutella |
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| 21:15.18 | Erik1 | pallu: enough sources in sources.list ? |
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| 21:15.29 | amphi | FrankTheTank: what video card? |
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| 21:15.45 | FrankTheTank | its an ibook g4 |
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| 21:15.52 | Erik1 | pallu: apt-get update ? |
| 21:16.05 | Vasistha | FrankTheTank: there are many people here who will be happy to help you solve your problem, but if you just want to sit here and complain, you might be better off with another OS. It took me a long time to get debian working properly, but now I'm very happy with it. |
| 21:16.22 | amphi | FrankTheTank: what video card? some radeon? |
| 21:16.33 | FrankTheTank | yeh |
| 21:17.20 | amphi | that should be supported by the xorg ati driver |
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| 21:18.51 | markybob | holds his breath as he remotely upgrades a kernel and reboots... |
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| 21:20.14 | dudeman | amphi, I just found out #radeon |
| 21:20.15 | dudeman | ! |
| 21:20.33 | dudeman | amphi, people say compiz fusion and 3d gaming for r500 chipsets is pretty good and fairly stable |
| 21:20.38 | dudeman | yay for my x1900xt |
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| 21:20.46 | psilocybin | hey. |
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| 21:21.04 | dudeman | hi |
| 21:21.13 | dudeman | I like psylocin, its nicer |
| 21:21.23 | mimcpher | Two things: How can I find out what package a command came from, and how to list the files in that package? |
| 21:21.26 | psilocybin | i have a router, in which both LAN and bridged access to internet is supported at the same time. |
| 21:21.34 | dudeman | !tell mimcpher -about search |
| 21:21.41 | psilocybin | i would like to make this linux connect to both lan and the internet at the same time. |
| 21:21.53 | psilocybin | so, it's now on internet, connect by dhcp. |
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| 21:22.04 | dudeman | psilocybin, then it means you are already on a local lan |
| 21:22.19 | dudeman | you are on your local router lan, which is in turn on the internet through the router/gateway |
| 21:22.19 | psilocybin | but if i want use lan, i have to manually change settings for it, but even then i can't connect both simultaneously |
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| 21:22.23 | psilocybin | no i'm not in lan |
| 21:22.26 | psilocybin | it's not routing |
| 21:22.29 | psilocybin | it's bridging now. |
| 21:22.29 | Vasistha | psilocybin: have you tried pinging other machines on the network? of course that won't work if they're blocking pings |
| 21:22.35 | psilocybin | and i'm using dhcp directly. |
| 21:22.47 | Vasistha | dhcp doesn't prohibit local networking |
| 21:22.47 | dudeman | it has nothing to with static vs. dhcp only the settings |
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| 21:23.17 | Vasistha | of course, it makes it a bit more challenging if you want to have a reliable ip for different machines on the network |
| 21:23.18 | psilocybin | i mean, i want a static ip for the lan, and dhcp for inet. |
| 21:23.25 | fas3r | someone have ios for sip on 7942G cisco ip phone ? |
| 21:23.36 | psilocybin | now, if i configure eth0 to use dhcp, it uses dhcp and access only inet |
| 21:23.47 | psilocybin | or if i config it use static ip on lan, it use only that. |
| 21:23.52 | fas3r | i don't find it .. and for download it on cisco.com we need special acces file |
| 21:23.56 | psilocybin | and i want it connect directly, not through a nat. |
| 21:24.05 | Vasistha | psilocybin: just to make sure -- your computer there only has one ethernet connection, right? |
| 21:24.05 | dudeman | you have two eth? |
| 21:24.36 | dudeman | well |
| 21:24.46 | dudeman | better to ask, psilocybin how many NIC are in your linux machine? |
| 21:24.53 | psilocybin | i have one nic |
| 21:24.54 | psilocybin | one |
| 21:24.57 | psilocybin | just eth0 |
| 21:25.03 | psilocybin | 3 computers here |
| 21:25.06 | Vasistha | psilocybin: okay, good! :) |
| 21:25.13 | psilocybin | router has in configuration both lan and bridge |
| 21:25.19 | Vasistha | psilocybin: what kinda router/bridge are you using, out of curiousity? |
| 21:25.20 | abrotman | MOO |
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| 21:25.25 | Vasistha | moo |
| 21:25.27 | psilocybin | so if i change settings only on linux, not touch router, i can access both inet and lan. |
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| 21:25.39 | psilocybin | edimax |
| 21:25.43 | psilocybin | 4 ports. |
| 21:26.33 | Vasistha | psilocybin: if you make the static connection, then can you ping the linux machine from another machine by pinging that static ip address? |
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| 21:27.04 | psilocybin | yes |
| 21:27.23 | Vasistha | psilocybin: are your presently connected via dhcp right now to the internet? |
| 21:27.29 | psilocybin | i have 3 comp, all linux, and when they all configured for static ip's (lan ip's), they work |
| 21:27.32 | psilocybin | yes |
| 21:27.35 | psilocybin | now dhcp to inet. |
| 21:27.53 | ezguy | is there way to determine what dev entry my dvdrw is using? |
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| 21:28.00 | \3TATUK | I've never seen update-notifier display anything other than 'The list of changes is not available yet. Please try again later.' in the 'Changes' section to any update that's been available. Is this always the case, or are changelogs actually supplied if I just wait instead of updating immediately? |
| 21:28.17 | Vasistha | psilocybin: alright, do /sbin/ifconfig and find your inet address -- probably something like 192.168.1.103 -- then try to ping that address from a different machine |
| 21:28.36 | psilocybin | 87.94.131.221 |
| 21:28.44 | ezguy | dmesg show: Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi6, channel 0, id 0, lun 1, type 5 |
| 21:28.48 | psilocybin | is my inet address |
| 21:28.51 | Vasistha | ezguy: ls -l /dev/cd* /dev/dvd* |
| 21:29.13 | ezguy | Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi6, channel 0, id 0, lun 1 |
| 21:29.14 | psilocybin | if i want connect lan now, i need to ifdown eth0, and nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:29.48 | ezguy | /dev/cdrom /dev/cdu31a /dev/cdu535 /dev/cdwriter /dev/cdwriter1 |
| 21:29.49 | Vasistha | psilocybin: are you sure your device is actually a router and not just a modem? |
| 21:29.56 | a | seems like there's big changes in xorg.conf, how i enable my Synaptics mouse ? not looks like to work |
| 21:29.56 | Vasistha | psilocybin: oh yeah -- you said it has 4 ports |
| 21:30.01 | psilocybin | it is a router |
| 21:30.04 | psilocybin | it can make a nat |
| 21:30.12 | psilocybin | i have configured it to be a nat too |
| 21:30.13 | ezguy | nothing for dvd |
| 21:30.16 | psilocybin | it's an adsl modem. |
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| 21:30.25 | Vasistha | a: mine's working great ... there's now an official kernel driver for it |
| 21:30.37 | a | Vasistha: driver no, i mean xorg.conf |
| 21:30.40 | claint_ | psilocybin : what did you exactly want again? |
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| 21:31.07 | Vasistha | claint_: he doesn't know how to configure his system for both LAN and internet |
| 21:31.10 | psilocybin | i want to connect both inet with dhcp, and lan, with the same nic, simultaneously. |
| 21:31.19 | psilocybin | so that they work simultaneously |
| 21:31.24 | psilocybin | maybe should edit routing table too? |
| 21:31.39 | a | Vasistha: lenny ? |
| 21:32.43 | Vasistha | a: no, etch. Was it previously working for you in etch or lenny? If so, I'm probably of no help |
| 21:33.43 | Vasistha | psilocybin: the ip address you found in /sbin/ifconfig was 87.94.131.221 ? |
| 21:34.43 | a | Vasistha: that's why, in lenny not works anymore |
| 21:35.02 | NoSynaptics | now way to made it working here |
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| 21:35.23 | NoSynaptics | xorg.conf looks like totally basic conf now in Lenny |
| 21:35.33 | NoSynaptics | that sucks |
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| 21:35.53 | Vasistha | NoSynaptics: ah, working yesterday, broken today, huh? sucky. I'm sure my buddy nile will be displeased about that as well. Well, I can give you my synaptics lines if that's all you need |
| 21:36.02 | psilocybin | Vasistha: yes |
| 21:36.30 | psilocybin | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:37.05 | NoSynaptics | Vasistha: i mean that now in lenny, the xorg packages seems to not generate a customized xorg.conf file at all, just a very basic one |
| 21:37.10 | claint_ | psilocybin : so i take it you are going to use that machine as something like a firewall? |
| 21:37.17 | psilocybin | NO! |
| 21:37.23 | psilocybin | i just need all these 3 comp to go inet |
| 21:37.25 | psilocybin | and also lan |
| 21:37.35 | psilocybin | lan so that they can share files at the 100Mbit speed! |
| 21:37.44 | psilocybin | inet too slow, just 1Mbit connection (symmetric) |
| 21:38.01 | wols_ | psilocybin: do you have a router? |
| 21:38.14 | Vasistha | NoSynaptics: as a first step, you should probably run drxx. If it still fails you, you can always construct the thing manually. Here's my xorg.conf, which may be of very limited help http://paste.debian.net/4525/ |
| 21:38.30 | wols_ | NoSynaptics: what videocard? |
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| 21:38.48 | psilocybin | yes i have a router. |
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| 21:39.03 | NoSynaptics | wols_: intel, what not works is my touchpad conf |
| 21:39.04 | wols_ | psilocybin: and do you have a switch? |
| 21:39.10 | Vasistha | psilocybin: alright, it's REALLY WEIRD that your machine has an ip address which appears to be a public ip address, not a private ip address. If you actually have a router, it should be giving you a private ip, not a public one. |
| 21:39.11 | psilocybin | it's a switch |
| 21:39.13 | psilocybin | and router |
| 21:39.16 | NoSynaptics | wols_: i can't made working synaptics with that xorg.conf file |
| 21:39.25 | psilocybin | private ip? |
| 21:39.27 | psilocybin | argh. |
| 21:39.32 | wols_ | psilocybin: so connect all PCs to that switch inside the router and you are done |
| 21:39.35 | NoSynaptics | wols_: do you know why debian are switcthing to this mode of "empty xorg.conf" ? |
| 21:39.44 | wols_ | NoSynaptics: cause xorg itself is |
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| 21:39.49 | psilocybin | wols |
| 21:39.51 | psilocybin | see |
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| 21:40.15 | psilocybin | it's a router or whatever. anyway, it has 4 ports where u can connect ethernet cat-5 cable |
| 21:40.15 | NoSynaptics | wols_: then, how i enable my synaptics mouse ? i want special synaptics features |
| 21:40.26 | psilocybin | it has 1 wan connection, an adsl |
| 21:40.55 | psilocybin | and in the configuration, it has both lan and bridge enabled |
| 21:41.13 | wols_ | psilocybin: bridge is bad |
| 21:41.15 | NoSynaptics | wols_: do you have a synaptics mouse ? |
| 21:41.20 | psilocybin | bridge is good. |
| 21:41.20 | NoSynaptics | in your laptop* |
| 21:41.20 | wols_ | NoSynaptics: no |
| 21:41.31 | psilocybin | less overhead. |
| 21:41.34 | wols_ | psilocybin: not for what you try to do |
| 21:41.44 | wols_ | psilocybin: but: it's not debian problem. so have a nice day |
| 21:41.45 | psilocybin | this small box router is slow to process connections. |
| 21:41.50 | psilocybin | :( |
| 21:41.56 | psilocybin | where i should ask then? |
| 21:42.04 | wols_ | psilocybin: your router maker |
| 21:42.07 | psilocybin | no |
| 21:42.12 | psilocybin | is not related to router at all |
| 21:42.17 | wols_ | but: you setting it to bridged is wrong. it will never work this way, ever |
| 21:42.20 | psilocybin | if, for example, i could make a virtual nic |
| 21:42.29 | wols_ | psilocybin: bullshit |
| 21:42.34 | psilocybin | that splitted my nic into two, a dhcp and lan connection? |
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| 21:42.51 | psilocybin | why my windows laptop can connect both lan and inet at the same time on this network? |
| 21:42.52 | wols_ | you could if you had a spare switch but you don't so you either make it a NAT connection inside the router or it's over. |
| 21:43.01 | psilocybin | without changing any router settings? |
| 21:43.07 | psilocybin | no i wont make nat. |
| 21:43.39 | wols_ | psilocybin: doesn't matter. #networking, noth a debian problem how to lay out a network |
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| 21:44.17 | psilocybin | ah thank you :) |
| 21:44.28 | psilocybin | i did try join #network, but too few people there. |
| 21:45.18 | format_c | psilocybin, read carefully |
| 21:45.38 | Vasistha | psilocybin: the PROPER way, that EVERYONE ELSE does, is like this: the router is responsible for connecting to the internet. When you connect a computer to the router, it can take either a dhcp or static connection, that will be in the 192.168.x.x series (or, possibly in the 10.x.x.x series or something, but probably 192.168.x.x) If dhcp, the router will pass on dns info to your computers. You can copy that dns info and then use it for a static |
| 21:45.38 | Vasistha | connection, which is easier for a LAN |
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| 21:46.07 | psilocybin | i want it bridge direct connection from linux, and also access the lan |
| 21:46.08 | psilocybin | :) |
| 21:46.12 | psilocybin | because its FASTER! |
| 21:46.13 | helo_ | wh3r3 c4n 1 g3t my l33t v1d30 c0d3x? |
| 21:46.15 | jonaskoelker | hi all; would someone hold my hand through installing grub? |
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| 21:46.21 | helo_ | runs |
| 21:46.23 | jonaskoelker | ... I'm about too frustrated to think for myself right now >:( |
| 21:46.28 | psilocybin | because that small box can't process 1000 connections at the same time, that programs like emule are doing. |
| 21:46.29 | Vasistha | psilocybin: but regardless of whether you have a static or dhcp connection, the router should already be keeping you connected to the internet. Really, the router should not be much of a speed hurdle for you. |
| 21:46.36 | psilocybin | yes it does. |
| 21:46.43 | psilocybin | but nat add overhead too much. |
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| 21:47.17 | jonaskoelker | V4Nelle: samson ftw! ;) |
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| 21:47.30 | Vasistha | psilocybin: then buy another NIC and a nice SWITCH and let one machine be a server |
| 21:48.11 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: what's the configuration of the machine where you need to install it? |
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| 21:48.14 | fairway | hi all |
| 21:48.17 | fairway | im on eeepc |
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| 21:48.25 | Vasistha | congrats. |
| 21:48.43 | format_c | fairway, what resolution? |
| 21:48.53 | V4Nelle | :p |
| 21:48.53 | fairway | format_c: 800x480 |
| 21:49.08 | fairway | i love it |
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| 21:49.25 | format_c | and how is working with it? I mean the resolution? |
| 21:49.25 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: three disks, and a CD drive as secondary master; I want to boot from secondary slave (/); the two primaries are mounted on /home or below |
| 21:49.40 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: is the machine booted now? |
| 21:49.50 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: nope, but I got a liveCD ready |
| 21:49.54 | format_c | It must be like one workspace = one app. Isn't it? |
| 21:49.55 | fairway | format_c: its quite ok if you dont work on graphics |
| 21:50.04 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: is debian installed on the machine? |
| 21:50.06 | fairway | format_c: sufficient for text really |
| 21:50.12 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: yep |
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| 21:50.37 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: is it impossible to boot because you changed your primary/secondary master/slave configuration? |
| 21:50.47 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: exactly |
| 21:51.04 | format_c | for pure console purposes I'm with you. |
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| 21:52.27 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: heh. honestly, if I were you, I would put things back the way they were, and from your running debian system, get grub installed on the drive which WILL BE the primary master :P but if you insist on doing it this way ... we can get it done. What's the live cd, though? I prefer grml :) |
| 21:53.05 | fairway | format_c: works great with console only |
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| 21:53.22 | format_c | Did you tried to work with X? |
| 21:53.35 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: knoppix version $ANCIENT |
| 21:53.42 | jonaskoelker | and let's go through with it |
| 21:53.48 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: maybe I'll learn ;) |
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| 21:54.25 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: well, that has the added disadvantage that it's going to be using a really old version of grub. In that case I'd really recommend putting your jumpers and cables back and booting into your system to do the change. |
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| 21:54.49 | jonaskoelker | well, I kinda' screwed around with grub, so I'm not sure it'll boot up |
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| 21:55.05 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: in any case, I can just rerun everything with the newer grub on my debian system, right? |
| 21:55.26 | wols_ | jonaskoelker: set up your system exactly like it will be later, same drives, same layout |
| 21:55.34 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: you could. Alright, I guess we'd better do this nasty knoppix thing. |
| 21:56.06 | jonaskoelker | wols_: done |
| 21:56.14 | wols_ | jonaskoelker: you can only if you can boot somehow. so do it directly and use the debian grub |
| 21:56.27 | pallu | how can i get my wireless card to work? |
| 21:56.35 | jonaskoelker | wols_: I can *what* only if ...? |
| 21:56.37 | wols_ | pallu: depends on the wlan chip. which one is it? |
| 21:56.42 | streuner | pallu: find a driver for you chipset |
| 21:56.48 | wols_ | jonaskoelker: you can only use debian grub later |
| 21:57.18 | jonaskoelker | oh yeah, I can run the debian grub from my mounted disk, duh.. ^_^ |
| 21:57.30 | wols_ | if you chroot into it yes |
| 21:57.50 | jonaskoelker | yeah, that's probably easier than hacking with ldd and $LD_ :) |
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| 21:59.58 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: okay, knoppix is running |
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| 22:00.46 | jonaskoelker | ... no wait, it hung :\ |
| 22:01.21 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha, wols_: so, I should run grub-install, yes/no? |
| 22:01.34 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: yes, but you need to get your params straight, first ;) |
| 22:01.36 | fairway | jonaskoelker: yes u should |
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| 22:01.53 | wols_ | have you chrooted yet? have you bind mount /dev and /prco= |
| 22:01.59 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.12 | jonaskoelker | not yet, it hung up on me again |
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| 22:02.33 | jonaskoelker | wols_: what's the syntax for bind mount? |
| 22:02.34 | wols_ | you sure it's not hardware that is broken? do you have a debian CD handy? |
| 22:02.43 | wols_ | mount --bind |
| 22:03.06 | wols_ | answer my question |
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| 22:03.28 | Vasistha | scratches head ... really didn't realize you needed to bind mount /dev and /proc in order to run grub-install |
| 22:03.29 | jonaskoelker | wols_: I'm pretty confident the hw works, and I don't have a debian cd |
| 22:03.59 | wols_ | Vasistha: where is grub supposed to install stuff when there is no /dev inside he chroot? |
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| 22:04.21 | jonaskoelker | (and sorry for not answering, but for some strange reason I don't have any sound in my gaim) |
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| 22:04.36 | pallu | i dont know how can i find out? |
| 22:04.42 | wols_ | pallu: lspci |
| 22:04.44 | pallu | i have a linksys |
| 22:04.47 | wols_ | if it's a pci card that is |
| 22:04.52 | Vasistha | wols_: oh ... I also didn't realize chroot was required! Can't you just do, like, grub-install --root-directory=/place/where/root/mounts /dev/hda1 or something of the sort? |
| 22:04.52 | wols_ | linksys makes no chips |
| 22:04.53 | pallu | wirelse card |
| 22:04.56 | pallu | usb |
| 22:05.07 | wols_ | Vasistha: no |
| 22:05.16 | wols_ | pallu: lsusb then |
| 22:05.31 | Vasistha | strange, I've made a couple systems boot like that. huh. |
| 22:05.33 | pallu | Bus 004 Device 003: ID 13b1:000d Linksys |
| 22:06.23 | wols_ | !tell pallu about ralink |
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| 22:06.38 | wols_ | pallu: supposedly a ralink rt2570 |
| 22:06.55 | pallu | whi think it might be alittle true |
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| 22:10.09 | jonaskoelker | ... okay, knoppix is hangish today, going ubuntu 6.06 instead (:O oldness) |
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| 22:10.56 | lbt | hi - anyone here use xen? I need a dom0 and a domU kernel - what packages are they? |
| 22:11.07 | antgel | jonaskoelker: wtf |
| 22:11.54 | joltcan | lbt: apt-cache search xen. And google for debian xen |
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| 22:12.35 | jonaskoelker | antgel: what can I say, I don't burn or steal many liveCDs :) |
| 22:12.49 | lbt | joltcan: doh! why didn't I think of that :) Oh wait.... there's lots about xen but it's actually hard to find this info. The package descriptions are lousy... |
| 22:12.50 | wols_ | lbt: client and host but I dunno which ia which domU is host _I think_ but not sure |
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| 22:13.15 | lbt | wols_: host is the dom0, client is domU |
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| 22:13.16 | jonaskoelker | okay, I'm chrooted |
| 22:13.20 | wols_ | !xen |
| 22:13.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 22:13.22 | joltcan | lbt: read "the perfect debian xen howto" or whatever it is called. That one take you pretty far |
| 22:14.47 | jonaskoelker | wols_, Vasistha: okay, I'm chrooted and have mounted --bind /proc and /dev; now what do I do? |
| 22:14.52 | joltcan | lbt: and the debian wiki thing. Now I'm off to bed, so good luck |
| 22:15.07 | lbt | joltcan: at howtoforge... been there thanks :) it's pretty outdated... I'll keep trying - ta... |
| 22:15.20 | wols_ | check your device.map that it's the same as your bios thinks |
| 22:15.25 | wols_ | same first disk and so on |
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| 22:16.49 | lbt | wols_: thanks for the debian-xen pointer .. off there now... |
| 22:17.05 | jonaskoelker | wols_: well, /dev/hda is primary master and (hd0), /dev/hdb is primary slave and (hd1), /dev/hdd is secondary slave and (hd2). Does that seem right? |
| 22:17.40 | lbt | and back - debian-xen is dead... |
| 22:18.07 | jonaskoelker | ... and, looking at the disk names of 1st,2nd x master,slave vs. contents of /dev/hd?1, it matches what I expected... |
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| 22:18.56 | Sazpaimon_ | is there a guide on how to install FUSE on debian? do i need to recompile my kernel to do it? |
| 22:19.13 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: I didn't need to, fwiw |
| 22:19.41 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, how did you install it? |
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| 22:20.00 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: uhhh... aptitude install fuse... -utils? |
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| 22:20.08 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: do not remember :) |
| 22:20.36 | jonaskoelker | wols_: do you think my device.map looks sensible? |
| 22:20.59 | Sazpaimon_ | looks like i already have fuse-utils installed |
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| 22:22.26 | Sazpaimon_ | I tried "modprobe fuse" and got "FATAL: Module fuse not found." |
| 22:22.37 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: uname -r? |
| 22:22.49 | Sazpaimon_ | 2.6.16.27-061216a |
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| 22:23.31 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: hmm... I have 2.6.18 or later; maybe upgrade your kernel? |
| 22:23.43 | Sazpaimon_ | hoo boy |
| 22:23.49 | Sazpaimon_ | thats always a trip to do remotelyu |
| 22:23.51 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: try dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r)TABTAB | grep fuse.ko |
| 22:23.58 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: ooh ya :) |
| 22:24.05 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: do you feel lucky, punk? |
| 22:24.06 | jonaskoelker | ;) |
| 22:24.20 | Sazpaimon_ | TABTAB? |
| 22:24.33 | jonaskoelker | wols_: oh well, I don't know how I can be more convinced that my device.map DTRT than I am now; what do I do next? |
| 22:24.39 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: yeah, tab-complete the pkg name |
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| 22:24.51 | Danker2 | Hi |
| 22:24.58 | V4Nelle | guys when i go to run (bug report tool) i get error(either -appname or -package argument are reguired....any help? |
| 22:25.09 | Danker2 | How do I install .udeb file on my floopy boot system? |
| 22:25.31 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, i dont think i have linux-image installed |
| 22:25.41 | Sazpaimon_ | dpkg -l | grep linux-image doesnt return anything |
| 22:25.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep linux-image doesnt return anything |
| 22:25.47 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: iirc, I needed to add fuse to /etc/modules in order to get things working properly |
| 22:26.06 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: ...and also add my user to the fuse group |
| 22:26.10 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.16-whatever-whatever-... | grep fuse.ko |
| 22:26.16 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: note, capital L |
| 22:26.38 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: home-built kernel? |
| 22:26.56 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: care to prod me over the finish line with grub? |
| 22:27.02 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: if you like, I can take a look at my #debian logs |
| 22:27.03 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, I wouldnt be surprised if thats what my dedi company did |
| 22:27.37 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, server companies always do stupid shit with linux kernels |
| 22:27.55 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: then either you need to make the provide you with a fuse module, or build one yourself, or go for a different kernel |
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| 22:28.07 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: the -061216a doesn't look debian'ish... |
| 22:28.28 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, it probably isnt |
| 22:28.38 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: heh, I didn't want to tell you the wrong thing in wols' presence :) And I'm a little unsure how to handle this in a chroot environment, since I've never done that. Anyway, I believe you just need to do grub-install /dev/hda # (since I believe the chroot takes care of what I woulda used a --root-directory option for) |
| 22:29.01 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: wouldn't that be grub-install /dev/hdd ? |
| 22:29.12 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, how can I see how this kernel is different from a standard 2.6.16.27 kernel |
| 22:29.24 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: do you have the Config file? |
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| 22:29.42 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, i might, let me see |
| 22:30.00 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: I have /boot/config-$(uname -r)* ... diff the one for the vanilla debian kernel and for your kernel |
| 22:30.18 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: if you have kernel headers, it should (in theory) be easy to compile the module |
| 22:30.32 | Sazpaimon_ | I have /boot/config-2.6.16.27-061216a |
| 22:30.40 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: err ... it very well may be, I forgot what your configuration was :P but ... if your drives are set up in the way that they WILL BE set up, then I believe you need to install grub in the MBR of the primary master. Perhaps you need to use a --root-directory command after all, in order to specify the partition where your /boot is |
| 22:30.47 | Sazpaimon_ | is it safe to pastebin the diff? |
| 22:30.58 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: I should think so |
| 22:31.05 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: ... it has to be the primary master? |
| 22:31.33 | Sazpaimon_ | what is the full version for debian's 2.6.16.27 |
| 22:31.33 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: well, that's where the BIOS looks when it wants to pass control of the computer to your bootloader |
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| 22:31.45 | Sazpaimon_ | is it just 2.6.16.27 |
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| 22:32.05 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: there isn't one. That sounds like a testing/unstable snapshot from before etch was released |
| 22:32.12 | Sazpaimon_ | hm |
| 22:32.19 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: well, I reordered my drives in some menu to make the bios boot /dev/hdd... |
| 22:32.20 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess i'll use the vanilla one |
| 22:32.32 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: you think that influences the device map? |
| 22:32.44 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: oh, you have a bios that can boot from the secondary slave? That's odd |
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| 22:33.35 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: ... |
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| 22:34.03 | dante_2core | Hey guys - I and a friend are having a _very_ weird problem. we're both using debian unstable, and within two days, both our notebooks have gone crazy, sometimes they boot, sometimes they don't even display the bios screen. I am aware that i'm not getting help with unstable, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows if this is a rootkit issue, overheating or anything known? |
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| 22:35.11 | azeem | dante_2core: if there's no bios screen, it's a hardware issue I'd say |
| 22:35.39 | dante_2core | azeem, any chance this is coming from debian unstable? as my friend and I have completely different notebooks, but the same problem |
| 22:35.42 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: I should hope that if a bios is going to do something exotic like that, that it would not also juggle the mapping ... but I don't really know what your bios does. So I guess it sounds like you just need to grub-install /dev/hdd |
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| 22:36.13 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: since you've got a chroot environment, if you cd /boot/grub you've got your proper menu.lst right there, right? So you don't need a --root-directory option afaik |
| 22:36.25 | azeem | dante_2core: I doubt it, but I don't know |
| 22:36.55 | dante_2core | azeem, well I just flashed the bios using the windows utility given out by HP - no improvements, so this excludes rootkits, right? |
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| 22:38.00 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: yeah, I have my menu.lst |
| 22:38.13 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: and I'm moving my disks around, so that it'll boot from the primary master |
| 22:39.03 | Sazpaimon_ | jonaskoelker, do i need to build the kernel to generate a config file? |
| 22:39.27 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: erm ... you're saying ... you have not moved your disks around yet? When we began this discussion, I thought you explained that you had already moved them around. |
| 22:40.32 | jonaskoelker | Sazpaimon_: no |
| 22:40.47 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: I had one config; then I moved disk; came here; now I'm moving again |
| 22:40.50 | Sazpaimon_ | well ive got linux-2.6.16.27.tar.bz2 extracted |
| 22:41.00 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: you should be able to find a copy of your config in /boot |
| 22:41.14 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, im looking for a config file for a vanilla kernel |
| 22:41.26 | Sazpaimon_ | so i can diff it with my config i have in /boot |
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| 22:42.53 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: oh, you want a default config. you should be able to find that in your newly extracted tarball. I believe it's hidden in a directory or something |
| 22:43.06 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: I think it's one level deep, and named .config or something of the sort |
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| 22:45.10 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: find -maxdepth 2 -type f -name '.config*' # ought to bring it right up for you |
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| 22:49.54 | jonaskoelker | Bwahahaha, I have boot |
| 22:50.13 | jonaskoelker | wols_, Vasistha: thanks for your time |
| 22:50.34 | Vasistha | jonaskoelker: ah, congrats, glad to be of service |
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| 22:51.34 | jonaskoelker | bootup says "hdb: lost interrupt"... I guess that's not good |
| 22:53.29 | cafuego | Nope, that's bad. |
| 22:54.09 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, not finding anything |
| 22:54.12 | cafuego | implies a bad ide driver, bad controller, bad cable or bad disk |
| 22:54.16 | Sazpaimon_ | you sure i dont need to run make config? |
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| 22:54.55 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: There is no vanilla config in the kernel.org kernel. |
| 22:55.03 | Sazpaimon_ | ...oh |
| 22:55.08 | Sazpaimon_ | then how do i get a vanilla config |
| 22:55.19 | cafuego | There is no such thing. |
| 22:55.23 | cafuego | So you cna't obtain it. |
| 22:55.42 | cafuego | You need to configure the kernel source for your hardware. |
| 22:55.47 | Sazpaimon_ | then how do i check how my current kernel config differs from a standard one |
| 22:55.59 | azeem | what's a standard one? |
| 22:56.10 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: alright, it seems as if you've decided to possibly build a new kernel in order to get fuse working on a system which has an outdated, unsupported debian kernel from when etch was in testing. That feels SO WRONG to me I can't even begin to describe the unsettling feeling in my gut. If you do manage to build such a kernel, there's a good chance it won't work properly on this weird system you've got (why can't you just update to etch?) |
| 22:56.11 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: Did you mean a debian kernel? |
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| 22:56.31 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: and even if that works, there's no guarantee that it's going to work with whatever version of fuse you've got installed |
| 22:56.34 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, i doubt thats the case |
| 22:56.46 | Sazpaimon_ | i believe i updated this kernel when still using sarge |
| 22:57.02 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: sarge used a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 22:57.15 | Sazpaimon_ | let me check my debian logs |
| 22:57.17 | Vasistha | (or 2.4.27 I believe) |
| 22:58.11 | cafuego | But why would you use a kernel as old as 2.6.16? |
| 22:58.40 | cafuego | You're aware it has local root exploits, right? |
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| 23:00.17 | Sazpaimon_ | alright |
| 23:00.31 | Sazpaimon_ | it appears as though my host had this kernel installed when i bought the server |
| 23:00.33 | azeem | it's 2.6.16.27 |
| 23:00.40 | azeem | aha |
| 23:00.41 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 23:00.52 | Sazpaimon_ | 3.1 |
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| 23:01.09 | cafuego | So it's Sarge with a custom compiled kernel. |
| 23:01.21 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: what about dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:01.23 | azeem | or a vhost |
| 23:01.39 | cafuego | Does it contain any weird-ass hardware that needs special drivers that only work with that kernel or something? |
| 23:01.47 | Sazpaimon_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 23:02.19 | cafuego | and 'uname -a' ? |
| 23:02.32 | Sazpaimon_ | Linux u15254048.onlinehome-server.com 2.6.16.27-061216a #1 SMP Sat Dec 16 13:15:27 CET 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:03.00 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: I'm inclined to ask you to pastebin your sources.list as well |
| 23:03.29 | Sazpaimon_ | apt-spy did most of my sources.list but ok |
| 23:03.42 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39337 |
| 23:04.09 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: What is the device name for / ? |
| 23:04.21 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, pardon? |
| 23:04.34 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: I'm wondering if maybe you're on a VPS? |
| 23:04.35 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, in my fstab? |
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| 23:04.40 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, no not at all |
| 23:04.55 | Sazpaimon_ | my / is /dev/md1 |
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| 23:05.08 | Sazpaimon_ | Im using a RAID1 array |
| 23:05.17 | cafuego | Becaue I don't understand why a hoster would do something this odd by default. |
| 23:05.22 | cafuego | ok |
| 23:05.44 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, they also had their own outdated apt repositories in the sources.list |
| 23:05.48 | Sazpaimon_ | which almost screwed me over |
| 23:05.51 | Sazpaimon_ | so im not surprised |
| 23:06.00 | jonaskoelker | Vasistha: I'm out; thanks once again |
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| 23:06.01 | Sazpaimon_ | theyve supposedly changed their ways as far as OS images go |
| 23:06.02 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: why don't you try installing a standard etch kernel and booting to that? |
| 23:06.05 | Vasistha | np |
| 23:06.21 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, and if it doesnt work i can always boot into the original kernel? |
| 23:06.21 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: are you sitting in front of this computer, or is it remote? |
| 23:06.25 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, remote |
| 23:06.29 | Sazpaimon_ | but i have a serial console |
| 23:06.35 | cafuego | I wonder if they found their hardware didn't work with 2.6.8 whn they tried to install Sarge and this installed off a custom install cd they found online |
| 23:06.38 | Sazpaimon_ | which is almost the same thing |
| 23:06.41 | cafuego | s/this/thus/ |
| 23:06.56 | Sazpaimon_ | i can access LILO from my serial console |
| 23:07.03 | cafuego | Like say http://www.debian.co.il/2007/03/sarge-debian-gnulinux-31-kernel-2616-iso/ |
| 23:07.06 | Vasistha | cafuego: but it looks as if a proper dist-upgrade was done, since he's running a proper etch libc6 |
| 23:07.06 | azeem | so you can access the old kernel |
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| 23:07.24 | cafuego | Vasistha: Except it didn't upgrade /etc/debian_version |
| 23:07.35 | Vasistha | heh, true ... definitely not proper :D |
| 23:07.46 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.05 | Vasistha | popular amongst who? |
| 23:08.27 | Sazpaimon_ | well |
| 23:08.33 | Sazpaimon_ | google returns results for it |
| 23:08.37 | cafuego | google results |
| 23:08.37 | Sazpaimon_ | Results 1 - 10 of about 180 for 2.6.16.27-061216a. |
| 23:08.49 | cafuego | So it's a custom ISO someone did at some stage |
| 23:09.02 | cafuego | And people have grabbed it, so they could use their hardware that was too new for 2.6.8 |
| 23:09.04 | Sazpaimon_ | probably for netinstalls |
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| 23:09.46 | Sazpaimon_ | oh about my debian_version |
| 23:09.48 | Sazpaimon_ | it DID say 4.0 |
| 23:09.52 | Sazpaimon_ | but i rolled it back to 3.1 |
| 23:09.53 | cafuego | Google finds more than one *.onlinehome-server.info |
| 23:10.06 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: There is no "roll back". |
| 23:10.07 | Sazpaimon_ | some scripts that required a 3.1 in debian_version were choking |
| 23:10.17 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: Ok, you edited it by hand? |
| 23:10.20 | Sazpaimon_ | yes |
| 23:10.29 | ZILP | if i do an upgrade from etch to lenny and it doesnt work I can still revert back to the old version from the lilo boot menu ? |
| 23:10.39 | cafuego | ZILP: no |
| 23:10.40 | Sazpaimon_ | directadmin didnt "officially" support etch at the time i had it |
| 23:10.50 | Sazpaimon_ | it required 3.1 in debian_version |
| 23:10.57 | Sazpaimon_ | so i just manually set it to that, and it installed |
| 23:11.00 | Sazpaimon_ | no biggie |
| 23:11.18 | ZILP | Cafuego so I just have to pray it works out ? |
| 23:11.18 | Sazpaimon_ | guess i forgot to set it back |
| 23:11.26 | cafuego | ZILP: Pretty much |
| 23:11.43 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, onlinehome-server.info is what 1and1 uses for their default hostnames for servers |
| 23:11.48 | ZILP | That dont sound too good to me. :( |
| 23:11.49 | Vasistha | ZILP: you could always, say, BACK UP your system before you do the upgrade :) |
| 23:12.02 | cafuego | ZILP: it's called "testing" and not "stable" for a reason. |
| 23:12.43 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: ... and so now you want to make a new custom kernel? |
| 23:12.56 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, I want a kernel I can use FUSE with |
| 23:12.57 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: Why not use the default etch one? 2.6.18? |
| 23:13.11 | ZILP | cafuego yeah Im going to stay with stable |
| 23:13.12 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, i dont know how my kernel differs from a default etch one |
| 23:13.14 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: ok, then bake a 2.6.25 |
| 23:13.24 | Sazpaimon_ | at least |
| 23:13.28 | Sazpaimon_ | in regards to its config file |
| 23:13.46 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: if you install the tch one you can diff the configs ;-) |
| 23:14.10 | cafuego | you don't need to actually boot it to do that |
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| 23:14.18 | Sazpaimon_ | very well |
| 23:14.34 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: why don't you install a default 2.6.18 and see if that just works. you can always revert, right? |
| 23:14.35 | cafuego | but since you have a serial console with boot loader access... |
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| 23:14.39 | cafuego | you may as well try it |
| 23:14.40 | Sazpaimon_ | linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 23:14.42 | Sazpaimon_ | correct? |
| 23:14.53 | cafuego | AT worst you rboot into 2.6.16.27 |
| 23:14.55 | Vasistha | if you're running amd64 |
| 23:15.14 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, if x8g_64 still means amd64 :) |
| 23:15.17 | Sazpaimon_ | err |
| 23:15.19 | Sazpaimon_ | x86_64 |
| 23:15.22 | cafuego | it does |
| 23:16.10 | Sazpaimon_ | uname -m returns x64_64, so i guess that the correct kernel |
| 23:16.35 | cafuego | The 64bit Debian wouldn't be listing i386 kernels in sources, surely. |
| 23:17.29 | azeem | Sazpaimon_: what does "dpkg --print-installation-architecture" say? |
| 23:17.41 | Sazpaimon_ | amd64 |
| 23:17.52 | azeem | then go |
| 23:17.55 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.55 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.03 | reignoldz | Hey guys, I have a VPS system that runs Ubuntu 8.04 server, it is my mailserver, webserver and few other things. I want to mirror the exact setup so I have installed ubuntu server 8.04 as a guest operating system in a vmware server environment, the system is setup I just need a simple way to mirror the VPS to this virtual machine - any ideas guys, I want to do testing etc on the vm as the VPS system is in a production |
| 23:18.04 | reignoldz | environment and don't want to risk breaking things. What is the simplest way to mirror the system ? |
| 23:18.29 | Vasistha | reignoldz: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:18.33 | ZILP | shouldnt there be a way to see if going from etch to testing mangles things. Like a dependecy check |
| 23:18.43 | reignoldz | this is not distro specific is it ? |
| 23:18.48 | reignoldz | its a general question that can apply to debian |
| 23:18.52 | Sazpaimon_ | there is no initrd= in my /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:18.52 | reignoldz | so dont be lazy |
| 23:19.10 | azeem | Sazpaimon_: so create one |
| 23:19.18 | Vasistha | reignoldz: you'd be surprised how many general-sounding questions end up being distro-specific. |
| 23:19.23 | reignoldz | Sazpaimon_, maybe your a dirty GRUBy bastard then. |
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| 23:19.36 | Sazpaimon_ | im pretty sure it uses LILO |
| 23:19.37 | reignoldz | Vasistha, Your just lazy, its ok. |
| 23:19.45 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah |
| 23:19.50 | reignoldz | =] |
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| 23:19.56 | Sazpaimon_ | ls /boot has debianlilo.bmp |
| 23:20.03 | Sazpaimon_ | there's no /etc/grub* |
| 23:20.07 | azeem | reignoldz: ok, ask #vmware |
| 23:20.17 | reignoldz | man lilo ; man initrd |
| 23:20.23 | reignoldz | azeem, already done that. |
| 23:20.26 | Sazpaimon_ | so i just need to add initrd=/initrd.img to my /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 23:20.40 | reignoldz | Sazpaimon_, yes then update lilo then reboot |
| 23:20.51 | reignoldz | EXECThe system cannot find the file specified. |
| 23:20.55 | Sazpaimon_ | this wont effect my other kenels will it? |
| 23:20.59 | Sazpaimon_ | *kernels |
| 23:21.07 | reignoldz | only add the initrd line to the one label |
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| 23:21.16 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: no, it shouldn't |
| 23:21.20 | reignoldz | as in, if you have loads of kernels, only add the initrd line to the specific kernel. |
| 23:21.34 | reignoldz | Vasistha, will u suck cock for $5 ? |
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| 23:22.28 | Sazpaimon_ | Im not sure where to add this |
| 23:22.38 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39343 |
| 23:22.42 | Sazpaimon_ | here is my lilo.conf |
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| 23:22.54 | Sazpaimon_ | i havent proceeded with the installation of the linux-image package yet |
| 23:23.10 | cafuego | Do that first, then |
| 23:23.16 | Vasistha | !ops please admonish reignoldz for his poor manners |
| 23:23.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vasistha complains about: please admonish reignoldz for his poor manners |
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| 23:23.54 | fas3r | the last version of asterisk include sccp or i need to patch it ? |
| 23:23.56 | dante_1core | azeem: you won't believe it - I just did memtest, 2383298 errors, pc froze. I took out half the memory, did memtest again - worked. put in the other half of it alone, worked. put both in, works again. |
| 23:23.58 | azeem | reignoldz: people who ask Ubuntu questions in here are supposed to adhere to the CoC |
| 23:24.13 | reignoldz | CoC I DONT LIKE COCK! |
| 23:24.16 | reignoldz | suck my balls |
| 23:24.17 | reignoldz | suck my balls |
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| 23:24.18 | cafuego | Bye |
| 23:24.23 | dante_1core | ^^ |
| 23:24.24 | abrotman | okay .. saves me |
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| 23:24.36 | dante_1core | oh hi abrotman btw |
| 23:24.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:24.49 | dante_1core | just had the weirdest problem, you may have read it... |
| 23:24.58 | phogg | dante_1core: loose connection? Maybe only freaks out after it gets hot? |
| 23:25.16 | cafuego | dante_1core: badly seated ram then. Now seated Ok. yay. |
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| 23:25.22 | dante_1core | phogg: nah, was something else, dk - but happened to a friend at the same time :S |
| 23:25.36 | phogg | weird |
| 23:25.39 | dante_1core | well the friend has a completely different laptop and it happened to him too, 2 days ago |
| 23:25.54 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, my lilo.conf hasnt changed |
| 23:26.00 | Sazpaimon_ | so where do i add that line |
| 23:26.08 | dante_1core | one thing is sure - next time I use a notebook cooling pad, I make sure the darn thing sucks air and does not blow it back into the fan exhaust OMG |
| 23:26.09 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: But now you have extra files in /boot, right? |
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| 23:26.23 | Sazpaimon_ | yes i do |
| 23:26.33 | dante_1core | phogg: that's why I'm pretty sure it overheated |
| 23:26.35 | cafuego | Sazpaimon_: can you pastebin 'ls -l / /boot' ? |
| 23:26.54 | dante_1core | well, happy hacking guys, I'll have a nap now. bye! |
| 23:27.10 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39347 |
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| 23:27.38 | cafuego | that's just /boot, i need / too :-) |
| 23:28.16 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/39348 |
| 23:28.36 | cafuego | ok, good |
| 23:28.39 | Sazpaimon_ | oh i see the symlinks now |
| 23:28.57 | Sazpaimon_ | so i just need to put the initrd line in the vmlinuz block |
| 23:29.01 | Sazpaimon_ | and leave vmlinuz.old alone |
| 23:29.29 | cafuego | http://pastebin.org/39349 |
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| 23:30.13 | cafuego | So it will now default to 2.6.18, which is what /vmlinuz points at. To boot 2.6.16.27, boot the 'lxserold' label. |
| 23:30.23 | Sazpaimon_ | alright |
| 23:30.26 | Sazpaimon_ | before i reboot |
| 23:30.35 | azeem | any last wishÃh? |
| 23:30.37 | cafuego | Before you reboot, run 'lilo -v' as root. |
| 23:30.51 | cafuego | Otherwise it won't update its config. |
| 23:31.14 | cafuego | it will also tell you which kernels it has, so check the output and make sure it looks OK. |
| 23:31.30 | Sazpaimon_ | i should put all my ircds and other serves in a cron |
| 23:31.41 | Sazpaimon_ | *servs |
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| 23:31.50 | cafuego | ¿que? |
| 23:31.51 | Sazpaimon_ | that way, i dont need to manually start them all up when i boot |
| 23:32.09 | cafuego | it's called rc.local not cron... and you worry about that AFTER bootup. One problem at a time. |
| 23:32.11 | azeem | Sazpaimon_: that's your problem |
| 23:33.21 | Sazpaimon_ | cafuego, nah, i'll need it as a cron so it'll start itself whenever the program crashes |
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| 23:33.49 | cafuego | If a program keeps crashing I suggest you're better off not running it at all. |
| 23:34.00 | Sazpaimon_ | tell that to valve and their source engine |
| 23:35.03 | cafuego | Hmm, closed source bonanza |
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| 23:38.26 | dav | how do I tell apt-get autoremove that I actually want to keep some of these packages? |
| 23:38.51 | Vasistha | dav: use aptitude instead of apt-get :P |
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| 23:41.13 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: since this is a server you're working with (right?) you might want to do an lsmod and a ps aux and get lists of your loaded modules, and running processes, just to make sure everything comes up again properly ... do you have clients that are using this system? |
| 23:41.37 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, yes i do |
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| 23:41.48 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, lsmod returns an empty list |
| 23:41.59 | Vasistha | well, that's just weird. |
| 23:42.15 | Vasistha | oh, you know, I bet that custom kernel has everything built-in for the particular hardware |
| 23:42.18 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Debian Etch box having Apache/https issues. I noticed the problem a couple days ago, when I tried to https (I was at an airport) to my box and got a ssl_error_rx_record_too_long error |
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| 23:42.34 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, that can be a problem |
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| 23:43.08 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: it could be, but it also might not be a problem at all -- that's why we'll just try the standard 2.6.18 and see. it just might work fine, provided the hardware isn't TOO weird |
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| 23:44.34 | Sazpaimon_ | well i guess i'll try it |
| 23:44.48 | Sazpaimon_ | here we goooooooooooo |
| 23:45.36 | bier | is xmms removed from lenny? |
| 23:45.59 | dav | Vasistha: any manual way. aptitude confuses me.. |
| 23:46.08 | dav | Vasistha: (i'm old school) |
| 23:46.19 | Vasistha | dav: you're using etch, right? |
| 23:46.20 | bier | it's in sid and in etch... but doesn't seem to be in lenny? |
| 23:47.06 | Vasistha | bier: that happens sometimes. I believe there's a place where you can find reasons for such discrepencies, and usually the reasons are pretty dumb ... but it happens. |
| 23:47.16 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:47.23 | dav | Vasistha: testing |
| 23:47.34 | dav | Vasistha: (i'm not sure what testing is these days) |
| 23:47.42 | rbanffy | Hi folks. Debian Etch box having Apache/https issues. I noticed the problem a couple days ago, when I tried to https (I was at an airport) to my box and got a ssl_error_rx_record_too_long error. Googling has not yielded much. Am I the only one experiencing it? I am not sure, but it may have started at our Big OpenSSL Problem. |
| 23:47.48 | Sazpaimon_ | Linux u15254048.onlinehome-server.com 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:47.59 | Sazpaimon_ | # modprobe fuse |
| 23:47.59 | Sazpaimon_ | fuse init (API version 7.7) |
| 23:48.03 | Sazpaimon_ | hell yeah |
| 23:49.02 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.pastebin.org/39355 |
| 23:49.05 | Sazpaimon_ | results of lsmod now |
| 23:49.15 | Sazpaimon_ | are any of those modules less than ideal for a server |
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| 23:49.53 | Sazpaimon_ | also pcspkr what |
| 23:50.06 | Sazpaimon_ | why does the system have a sound card |
| 23:50.18 | bier | Vasistha: mmh... i don't know what's up with the folks a xmms (have a look at xmms.org and read their "news").. so i thought it might be permanently removed from debian |
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| 23:50.44 | Vasistha | dav: you should have a little conversation with dpkg about aptitude, why aptitude, etc |
| 23:51.34 | Vasistha | dav: anyway, I resisted it at first, too, but it's really a much better system. there's a wonderful manual, too, at /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 23:52.02 | abrotman | bier: uhm .. it probably has been in testing/unstable |
| 23:52.05 | Vasistha | bier: given that it's in sid, I'd say you can be pretty confident it's not permanently removed |
| 23:52.30 | abrotman | Vasistha: uhm no? |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms.html |
| 23:52.50 | abrotman | removed from testing and unstable |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | it's a GTK1 app .. IIRC no more gtk1 in lenny/sid |
| 23:53.06 | Sazpaimon_ | Vasistha, are any of those modules in the pastebin slow? |
| 23:53.10 | Sazpaimon_ | i see some generic modules |
| 23:53.25 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: no, pcspkr is for the pc speaker, the thing that can only make a beep on startup, it has nothing to do with a soundcard |
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| 23:53.37 | dav | Vasistha: feels like dselect to me |
| 23:53.43 | dav | Vasistha: but thanks for the advice ;-) |
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| 23:54.15 | Vasistha | dav: it's about 100 times better than dselect ;) and you can use it on the command-line, too. |
| 23:54.16 | abrotman | *tap tap* |
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| 23:55.00 | ixion | anyone know the debian equivalent of /dev/usb/hiddev0 ?? |
| 23:55.08 | dav | Vasistha: I guess I'll invest a few minutes to get myself accustomed. Old habits die hard. I can get rid of debfoster it seems.. |
| 23:55.16 | ixion | no idea what distro these instructions I am trying to follow are written for/on |
| 23:55.21 | Vasistha | dav: yes, you can! :) |
| 23:56.04 | fas3r | how to nat sccp with iptables ? |
| 23:56.18 | Vasistha | ixion: I'm going to guess hiddev0 means human interface device 0 ... maybe a mouse or a fingerprint reader or something |
| 23:56.57 | bier | well, then i'll go and look for another good (read as: no overkill) music player... |
| 23:57.05 | ixion | Vasistha: yes, a usb ir remote control receiver - I need to monitor it with irrecord to setup lirc but I have no such thing as /dev/usb/hiddev0 |
| 23:57.10 | bier | any suggestions? ;) |
| 23:57.11 | dav | Vasistha: anyways to get rid of the "tree" (base, devel, etc.) |
| 23:57.14 | dav | Vasistha: ? |
| 23:57.33 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon_: I don't really know first-hand, but whenever I have seen people in this chan discussing the subject of modules vs. built-ins, the advice seems to be that there's no real observable disadvantage to running modules |
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| 23:58.57 | Vasistha | ixion: maybe find /dev -name '*ir*' |
| 23:59.35 | ixion | it wont be known as ir anything at that level |
| 23:59.35 | Vasistha | ixion: mine didn't find anything because I've blacklisted the infrared modules since I don't use it :) |
| 23:59.44 | Vasistha | ixion: you never know, it might |
| 23:59.48 | ixion | ill try though |
