| 00:00.16 | xjunior | zkline: hummmm and then I'll can install it via SSH? |
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| 00:00.57 | zkline | Xjunior, yes, I believe you can. I never needed it myself, but it should let you do that. |
| 00:01.29 | xjunior | zkline: where is it exactly? can you tell me? I can't find it since I just see half of the menu, and the text is many times in the other half |
| 00:01.33 | zkline | Odd how the console should be screwed up that way though. |
| 00:01.50 | slxix | have you tried changing video parameters when you boot? |
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| 00:02.36 | xjunior | slxix: nop... it's I good idea, but I don't know how to do it exactly, I mean, I don't know what boot options should I put there.. can you tell me? |
| 00:02.57 | zkline | I'm afraid I couldn't tell you--I don't have a way to check that handy. |
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| 00:03.54 | xjunior | zkline: I have one idea |
| 00:03.57 | slxix | xjunior: I think if you press the function keys it will give you a list of boot options. |
| 00:03.58 | xjunior | lemme try here |
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| 00:04.19 | xjunior | slxix: F1, you mean? |
| 00:04.41 | slxix | xjunior: yes. |
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| 00:05.28 | slxix | and don't be shy to search google. People like to write about their installation experiences. |
| 00:05.51 | PythonNi1ja | do we know when there'll be an i386 build of FF3rc1 ? it was released a while back, can i volunteer a machine to build one on? |
| 00:05.53 | slxix | Most of the Positivo articles I've seen are in some sort of spanish. :) |
| 00:06.18 | xjunior | slxix: in the installer, can you tell me which options are default selected in the kind of packages I'll install? (that screen that says "Desktop Environment", "Web server", "Print server" ...) |
| 00:06.31 | xjunior | slxix: portuguese, probably |
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| 00:07.08 | xjunior | slxix: cause I don't want it install all, and I can see the name of the categories, but I can't see the checkboxes |
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| 00:07.56 | slxix | xjunior: default? i'm not sure if any are installed by default. you can run aptitude and change it later.. |
| 00:08.04 | xjunior | wow! I found a good thing here http://www.code-monkeys.org/d-i/debian-installer.html |
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| 00:13.26 | slxix | looks like he found his answer. |
| 00:14.27 | zkline | Yeah. I hope so. |
| 00:15.06 | slxix | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ that's an odd website. |
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| 00:27.54 | hybridiZed | I have 2 x 146GB SAS disks in this box.. what would be the best RAID configuration? RAID 5? |
| 00:28.01 | hybridiZed | oops* |
| 00:28.06 | hybridiZed | RAID 5 is 3 drive min |
| 00:28.19 | hybridiZed | RAID 1 |
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| 00:32.02 | jberg | hmm, how would you partition a 750 gb disk where about 740 gb should be for backup/music/etc.. ? |
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| 00:32.14 | jberg | make a huge /home partition or /files or something? |
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| 00:38.57 | karsten | jberg: Yes. |
| 00:39.03 | karsten | jberg: /home, personally. |
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| 00:39.56 | jberg | ok, thats what i have now. but i had some second thoughts :P |
| 00:40.41 | karsten | jberg: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 00:40.57 | karsten | jberg: In general. If you want to keep it simple: /, swap, /home. |
| 00:41.15 | karsten | jberg: I prefer /boot / /tmp /var /usr /usr/local and /home, plus a swap or three. |
| 00:41.49 | karsten | jberg: That's mostly a religious distinction, frequently discussed here, most of the various pros and cons in that URL. |
| 00:42.18 | jberg | hehe ok |
| 00:42.25 | jberg | i have / /home and swap |
| 00:42.48 | karsten | That's going to be the simplest to manage. |
| 00:42.52 | technoid_ | whats the min that / should be? |
| 00:43.01 | karsten | technoid_: Depends on what's in it. |
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| 00:43.29 | karsten | technoid_: See URL for specs. I keep mine at about 250 - 500 MB as a minimal root FS. |
| 00:43.54 | jberg | i have 10gb / |
| 00:44.21 | lowlevel | heh |
| 00:44.40 | karsten | technoid_: Total system partitions will run 6 - 20 GB depending on what you've got in it. |
| 00:45.10 | karsten | The _contents_ of / /boot, /tmp, /usr, & /var on my system here are 9852 MB. |
| 00:45.29 | technoid_ | okay |
| 00:45.33 | karsten | /var gets suprisingly large on Debian if you don't flush your package cache. |
| 00:46.04 | technoid_ | good to know |
| 00:46.23 | karsten | technoid_: Hence my writing that document ;-) |
| 00:47.17 | jberg | karsten: you wrote that url? |
| 00:47.26 | karsten | jberg: Yes. |
| 00:47.39 | jberg | oh cool. and does it say how you flush package cache? |
| 00:47.40 | karsten | jberg: I also wrote the document it refers to ;-) |
| 00:47.59 | jberg | hmm which is that? |
| 00:48.27 | karsten | jberg: The url is is the string "http://blahblahblah" |
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| 00:48.47 | karsten | jberg: The document is what your browser renders when it resolves the URL and retrieves the data it references. |
| 00:48.56 | jberg | karsten: ah hehe :) |
| 00:49.21 | jberg | hmm i think maybe i want more partitions now. so i can mount stuff noexec and stuff |
| 00:49.34 | karsten | jberg: You've been infected! |
| 00:49.43 | jberg | can i run a partition manager now without reinstalling? |
| 00:49.44 | karsten | jberg: Careful, it's an addiction.... |
| 00:49.50 | jberg | hehe |
| 00:50.06 | magyar | hi, how can i re-queue "frozen" in exim? |
| 00:50.10 | karsten | You can, though I don't like to muck with live systems unless I've got data bakced up somewhere. |
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| 00:50.44 | jberg | well its a fresh install. havent done anything with it |
| 00:51.14 | jberg | but what is the name of the partition manager debian install uses? |
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| 00:51.25 | chiasl | hi all |
| 00:51.26 | jberg | partman or something? |
| 00:51.51 | karsten | magyar: man exim. I think 'exim -M $( exim -qff )' or something like that. |
| 00:52.00 | karsten | jberg: sfdisk or fdisk, usually. |
| 00:52.06 | chiasl | anybody success kernel 2.6.25 with patching dazuko ? |
| 00:52.08 | jberg | hm ok |
| 00:52.19 | karsten | jberg: Then again, I generally do really manual installs w/ debootstrap. |
| 00:53.05 | jberg | mkay |
| 00:53.07 | karsten | magyar: 'exim -qff' should do it per exim(8) manpage. |
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| 00:53.24 | karsten | jberg: Well, I wrote _that_ doc as well, it's in the install guide. |
| 00:53.45 | karsten | jberg: Boot Knoppix. Sort out what's on the system, surf web and play games while you're actually running the install. |
| 00:54.06 | karsten | jberg: Advantage is that you can do a bunch of querying of hardware and Google research while trying to sort out what you need. |
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| 00:54.54 | jberg | karsten: yep i know. i did a debootstrap install a few days ago because debian install didnt support my wireless network card |
| 00:55.05 | jberg | unfortunately it didnt work as i hoped :X |
| 00:55.28 | karsten | jberg: :( I do it because I know the manual steps and I'm never quite sure what the installer's going to do for me. |
| 00:55.38 | karsten | jberg: ... and in my case, my install media didn't boot my system. |
| 00:56.03 | jberg | i see |
| 00:56.35 | magyar | karsten: nope, its not connecting to the smarthost. I can telnet port 25 |
| 00:57.11 | karsten | magyar: OK, you've got to troubleshoot your smarthost issues then. I'd try running exim on a single message in nondaemon mode with debug output on. |
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| 00:58.56 | magyar | karsten: just mailed a new message and it worked. Now if only the "fozen" once would move |
| 00:59.25 | karsten | magyar: Try 'em one at a time w/ the '-M' switch, RTFM. |
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| 00:59.49 | karsten | magyar: I'd try, say, one, and see what it does, then another once you get the first to work, and if you sort out the pattern, the whole mess of 'em. |
| 01:00.05 | karsten | magyar: You've also likely got a bunch of queued nondelivery notices and stuff which you may just want to delete. |
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| 01:00.50 | magyar | karsten: k, thnaks |
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| 01:01.00 | cedeel | Hi, does anyone know how to make a .deb from compiling official firefox sources? Or a link? |
| 01:01.28 | karsten | cedeel: alien, for a quick-and-dirty package. |
| 01:01.44 | cedeel | karsten: how? |
| 01:01.51 | cedeel | from the tar.gz? |
| 01:01.55 | karsten | cedeel: Yes. |
| 01:02.03 | karsten | cedeel: aptitude install alien and RTFM. |
| 01:02.17 | cedeel | lol I know that manua |
| 01:02.24 | cedeel | *manual |
| 01:02.35 | karsten | cedeel: That's _not_ a particularly elegant solution. You've got other options including 'stow' and ilk, which don't package stuff as Debs but do manage third-party software. |
| 01:02.38 | karsten | cedeel: :) |
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| 01:03.52 | cedeel | karsten: but how are the debian versions then made? do they alter the source significantly to produce those .debs? |
| 01:05.43 | karsten | cedeel: apt-src install <packagename> |
| 01:07.06 | technoid_ | karsten: how long have you been running deb? |
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| 01:07.27 | karsten | technoid_: 10 years. |
| 01:07.39 | technoid_ | kewl |
| 01:07.48 | karsten | I lied. |
| 01:07.51 | karsten | More like nine. |
| 01:08.13 | technoid_ | wow, that makes alot of difference...i take back the "kewl" then |
| 01:09.36 | karsten | Heh. |
| 01:09.42 | karsten | First install was April 1999. |
| 01:10.07 | technoid_ | was that your first linux install? |
| 01:10.20 | karsten | Second install was the chroot install method, later became the debootstrap method. |
| 01:10.32 | karsten | No, I'd been running RH 4 for about a year. |
| 01:11.00 | karsten | Was getting pissed off at it, was hearing about Debian from most of the smart people, it seemed to be the way to fly. Tried it. Loved it. |
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| 01:11.27 | slxix | i <3 netinstall. |
| 01:12.02 | technoid_ | I just reinstalled deb...converting back from ubuntu |
| 01:12.04 | karsten | slxix: Yeah, it rawks. debootstrap is pretty close to that in concept. |
| 01:14.50 | fxcp | hi folks. how to read in /etc/hostname after the hostname was modified manually? |
| 01:15.21 | karsten | fxcp: You want to set the system hostname? |
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| 01:15.45 | karsten | fxcp: hostname --file /etc/hostname (as root). RTFM. |
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| 01:17.21 | fxcp | karsten: thx |
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| 01:19.04 | fxcp | karsten: but doesnt seem to work properly: |
| 01:19.08 | fxcp | root@foobar:~# hostname --file /etc/hostname |
| 01:19.08 | fxcp | root@foobar:~# hostname --fqdn |
| 01:19.08 | fxcp | hostname: Unknown host |
| 01:19.34 | karsten | fxcp: cat /etc/hostname |
| 01:19.49 | karsten | fxcp: ... and 'hostname' just by itself. You can't set FQDN in /etc/hostname, BTW. |
| 01:20.16 | fxcp | karsten: root@foobar:~# cat /etc/hostname |
| 01:20.16 | fxcp | barney |
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| 01:20.47 | karsten | fxcp: 'hostname $( cat /etc/hostname )' |
| 01:20.52 | karsten | fxcp: ... should work. Try that. |
| 01:21.36 | fxcp | karsten: hm, where to set the domainname? |
| 01:21.48 | fxcp | fqdn seems to be the problem |
| 01:21.49 | karsten | fxcp: IIRC /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:21.53 | karsten | fxcp: 'search' directive. |
| 01:22.02 | fxcp | karsten: argh, ok. |
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| 01:23.45 | karsten | fxcp: That actually involves the resolver library. Note that the local hostname need have no relation to its network name(s). |
| 01:24.04 | fxcp | karsten: hm, /etc/hostname is set to 'barney', search in /etc/resolv.conf is set to 'simpsons.lan', but hostname --fqdn tells me "hostname: Unknown host" |
| 01:25.08 | fxcp | karsten: ok, works fine now. /etc/hosts |
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| 01:27.17 | karsten | OK. |
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| 01:33.17 | chiasl | anybody success compile kernel 2.6.25 + dazuko 2.3.5? |
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| 01:39.05 | slxix | chiasl: out of curiousity, what is dazuko used for? |
| 01:39.51 | chiasl | antivirus for linux |
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| 01:41.46 | karsten | chiasl: Not generally required. If you're filtering for mail or Windows users: clamav. |
| 01:42.03 | slxix | http://dazuko.dnsalias.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#What_are_the_known_issues_with_Debian_GNU.2FLinux.3F |
| 01:42.12 | karsten | chiasl: For your own system security: chkrootkit, rkhunter, tripwire, tiger. |
| 01:42.33 | karsten | chiasl: Um. NM :) |
| 01:42.58 | jbt | what provides mysql.h on debian? |
| 01:43.00 | chiasl | thx |
| 01:43.06 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.07 | slxix | dazuko handles file permissions? |
| 01:43.16 | karsten | jbt: Try apt-file or auto-apt... |
| 01:43.53 | chiasl | i just want to compile my kernel to support antivirus |
| 01:43.58 | karsten | liblua5.1-sql-mysql-dev |
| 01:44.02 | karsten | jbt: ^^ |
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| 01:47.41 | jbt | karsten, libmysqlclient15-dev, apt-file is fantastic :) |
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| 01:49.17 | plota | is there a option to choose the logical block size when you format a partition during install? |
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| 01:55.11 | karsten | jbt: auto-apt is faster, FYI. |
| 01:55.34 | karsten | plota: man mke2fs |
| 01:56.04 | karsten | plota: You can always manually create your filesystems, though I'm not sure what options the installer's mke2fs supports. I suspect it's busybox. |
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| 02:04.08 | muh2000 | what is default umask in debian? |
| 02:04.38 | technoid_ | a Guy Falkes mask |
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| 02:05.31 | muh2000 | doing it for the lulz? |
| 02:05.42 | technoid_ | of course |
| 02:05.56 | muh2000 | this is not partyvan.tld... |
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| 02:08.26 | technoid_ | damn, i took a wrong turn again |
| 02:09.37 | muh2000 | well i found the file |
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| 02:14.48 | Juventino | hello |
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| 02:15.10 | dbmoodb | hi what is hte command to get a cdrom back in once i have ejected it ? |
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| 02:15.51 | Juventino | guys, why do i get an error everytime i try to run a root command using gksudo? knowing that i have the sudo package installed |
| 02:16.05 | dbmoodb | what gksudo ? |
| 02:16.10 | dbmoodb | what about* gksudo |
| 02:16.36 | dbmoodb | oh cool mount did it :) |
| 02:16.56 | Juventino | dbmoodb, i try to run a command gksudo -S /usr/sbin/command |
| 02:17.10 | karsten | muh2000: 0022 |
| 02:17.16 | Juventino | everytime i try it, i get bash: gksudo: command not found |
| 02:17.17 | muh2000 | thnx |
| 02:17.20 | dbmoodb | Juventino: what happens ... |
| 02:17.25 | karsten | dbmoodb: Um, 'mount' |
| 02:17.26 | dbmoodb | oh so install it |
| 02:17.33 | dbmoodb | yeah i already did that karsten |
| 02:17.35 | karsten | dbmoodb: What sort of CDROM drive? |
| 02:18.02 | Juventino | dbmoodb, it's install, isn't included in the sudo package? |
| 02:18.13 | dbmoodb | do you have gnome installed ? |
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| 02:18.17 | muh2000 | how can i make it clear for a linux in the lan that mounts a share to use the specified(in smb.conf) filemode instead of the local umask? |
| 02:18.21 | Juventino | no, KDE |
| 02:18.39 | dbmoodb | so .. it probably wasn't installed was it ? |
| 02:18.48 | dbmoodb | there is the kde version... or you can just install gksudo |
| 02:19.07 | Juventino | it's different from sudo package? |
| 02:19.16 | jbt | goodnight #debianers |
| 02:19.50 | dbmoodb | oh wow i can play things now .... (dvd's) oh it does work (the libcss packages / related things ) good work maintainers :) |
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| 02:26.25 | rata | hi |
| 02:26.55 | rata | is there any debian policy that prohibits packages on doing symlinks with absolute path ? |
| 02:26.59 | dutchfish | hello all. I am trying to get DRI working with glx on a fresh installed debian lenny amd64 with ATI HD 2400 XT. This is my xorg.0.log: http://debian.pastebin.com/m3553cc62 what did i overlook? |
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| 02:30.29 | dutchfish | rata: no that i am aware of the policies give that freedom to the package maintaner as long as depency rules are followed |
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| 02:32.21 | dutchfish | rata: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
| 02:32.57 | rata | dutchfish, whats intresting there ? |
| 02:33.17 | dutchfish | rata: A directory will never be replaced by a symbolic link to a directory or vice versa; instead, the existing state (symlink or not) will be left alone and dpkg will follow the symlink if there is one. |
| 02:33.36 | rata | dutchfish, i found http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html, in symbolic links it says that "symbolic links within a top-level directory should be relative" |
| 02:33.49 | heroxbd | Hi guys. I once came upon a server administration tool that can manage multiple remote server automaticly. And it could make configuration file maintaining more easily. But I forgot the name. Do you have some clues? |
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| 02:34.10 | rata | dutchfish, yeah, so ? It does not says much |
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| 02:34.41 | dutchfish | rata: and symbolic links pointing from one top-level directory into another should be absolute |
| 02:34.55 | dutchfish | rata: so it depends |
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| 02:35.44 | ninjaslim | hi guys, is there a way i can install an older kernel, preferrably a revision of 2.6.24, i'm running sid at the moment, apparently the latest ati drive doesn't work with it |
| 02:35.46 | dutchfish | rata: iow, it is left to th epackage maintaner |
| 02:36.02 | rata | dutchfish, iow stands for ? |
| 02:36.14 | dutchfish | rata: sorry, In Other Wors |
| 02:36.17 | dutchfish | rata: sorry, In Other Words |
| 02:36.55 | dutchfish | rata: excusive me for my stiff fingers ;) |
| 02:37.01 | heroxbd | ninjaslim: look at your /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 02:37.48 | dutchfish | hello all. I am trying to get DRI working with glx on a fresh installed debian lenny amd64 with ATI HD 2400 XT. This is my xorg.0.log: http://debian.pastebin.com/m3553cc62 what did i overlook? |
| 02:38.14 | ninjaslim | heroxbd: i've looked, thing is that i went from 2.6.18 on etch 4.0-r1 to 2.6.25-2 sid so i don't have anything in between |
| 02:41.47 | rata | dutchfish, :) |
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| 02:42.38 | heroxbd | ninjaslim: Then I suggest you search for it on the net. I don't how to get it officially. |
| 02:43.09 | rata | dutchfish, thanks, i ll report as wishlist :) |
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| 02:43.48 | dutchfish | !pssh |
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| 02:44.44 | n0[a]h | oops |
| 02:44.46 | dutchfish | !info pssh sid |
| 02:45.13 | dpkg | pssh: (Parallel versions of SSH-based tools), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 02:54.34 | lunk | hello, i am having trouble installing etch on a p35 chipset board |
| 02:54.45 | lunk | it can't detect the cdrom, that i just booted off of |
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| 02:56.13 | markybob | !tell lunk about kmuto |
| 02:57.19 | lunk | ooo |
| 02:57.20 | lunk | thanks |
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| 03:01.07 | NinjaMan | can someone explain to me what avahi is for? |
| 03:01.30 | NinjaMan | it seems to be installed as standard on debian installations these days |
| 03:03.36 | Supaplex | Avahi is a fully LGPL framework for Multicast DNS Service Discovery. It allows programs to publish and discover services and hosts running on a local network with no specific configuration. For example you can plug into a network and instantly find printers to print to, files to look at and people to talk to. |
| 03:03.42 | Supaplex | kinda reminds of me slpd |
| 03:03.56 | Supaplex | aptitude show slpd for that too. |
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| 03:05.52 | Supaplex | I used slp for a specific live-cd I created some months ago to fetch an initscript on boot (right after networking is up). then it reconfigured the apt repos for a local one, and installed a few custom packages. it kept it easy to maintain new nodes in the network for 'off peak use' processing (when employees went home). pop the cd in, boot, walk away and go home. |
| 03:06.13 | NinjaMan | Supaplex: ok, but I am struggling to see how I need it in my network - do windows machines automatically use multicast dns to find services? |
| 03:06.28 | Supaplex | feel free to remove it |
| 03:06.50 | Supaplex | It might assist in more automatic configuration, but it's not totally neccessary. |
| 03:07.38 | NinjaMan | Supaplex: so it would be useful if I had other linux machines with avahi and Macs but not windows machines? is that correct? |
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| 03:08.19 | Supaplex | I don't think it's suppose to be platform specific. ask professor google about windows issues |
| 03:08.37 | NinjaMan | supaplex: ok thanks for your help |
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| 03:11.25 | wols | aavahi does what is commonly known as "zeronconf" and it exists for windows too |
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| 03:13.53 | NinjaMan | Supaplex: so linux and mac pretty much support mdns out of the box - but for windows I need to install bonjour from apple.... |
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| 03:15.34 | Supaplex | I really only know what apt-cache show tells me for avahi-utils and slpd (two different protocols) |
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| 03:16.40 | Supaplex | I don't see what's platform specific about it, but if you find any gotchas, let me know too. :) |
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| 03:18.37 | wols | apple invented it and as always MS is reluctant to support it (NIH) even when it now is an RFC |
| 03:18.54 | wols | probably especially since it's a real standard now |
| 03:20.24 | Supaplex | !mmorpg microsoft interoperability propaganda |
| 03:20.24 | dpkg | fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at microsoft interoperability propaganda for a total of 574 damage! |
| 03:21.03 | muddd | cool |
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| 03:25.46 | magyar | hi, is there a way to check why syslog stops rotating logs? |
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| 03:28.12 | wwasher | it must be related to my recurrant issue of wierd testing updates, but I have a no-show menu while using E. |
| 03:29.08 | wwasher | i also have problems with english. |
| 03:29.19 | wwasher | it must be related to my recurrant issue of wierd testing updates, but I have a no-show menu in iceweasel while using E. |
| 03:29.24 | wwasher | sighs |
| 03:29.48 | ghosTM55 | wwasher: what up ? where do u come from? |
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| 03:30.32 | wwasher | ghosTM55 - ? - North America |
| 03:30.50 | ghosTM55 | wwasher: ah , okay |
| 03:30.53 | wols | wwasher: then you're excused having problems with english |
| 03:30.58 | ghosTM55 | wwasher: what's ur problem? |
| 03:30.58 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 03:31.00 | wwasher | Mid atlantic, US, to be more precise. |
| 03:31.01 | Guerin | !ur |
| 03:31.02 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 03:31.04 | wwasher | hah. |
| 03:31.23 | wwasher | likes Ur. |
| 03:31.36 | wols | likes large proto bovines too |
| 03:31.38 | muddd | nice |
| 03:31.40 | amphi | 'mid atlantic' suggests .is to me |
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| 03:33.23 | wols | amphi: landmass outside the borders of the US doesn't exist. or at least has no inhabitants |
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| 03:35.42 | wwasher | ghosTM55 - well, a few of the more aggravating ones. updated testing for the first time in a few weeks and i found that a ton of stuff had been obsoleted. when all was said and done, a few things appeared broke: menus in iceweasel (i use E) don't show up; i thought that was incompatibility with vimperator, so i removed it. now i have no history or tab deletion or....; mouse paste in an xterm double-pastes; i'm not sure if it is me ( |
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| 03:36.41 | wwasher | wols: i left out the word "region"; but if you watch TV, the inhabitants outside the US borders would seem to be green, have tentacles and more than two eyes. :) |
| 03:38.21 | markybob | that's a "region"? |
| 03:38.26 | markybob | pretends to be a dumb american |
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| 03:41.51 | amphi | wols: ;) |
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| 03:43.48 | wwasher | wishes he finished |
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| 03:54.00 | |Ryan52 | How does Debian's ldap/ssh keys thing work? |
| 03:54.50 | vorpal | bloody hell, mysql-server in etch has problems |
| 03:55.32 | Guerin | unlikely |
| 03:55.38 | |Ryan52 | vorpal: whats wrong with it? |
| 03:55.48 | vorpal | i spent two days trying to get jboss to talk to it |
| 03:56.05 | Guerin | sounds like operator error |
| 03:56.07 | markybob | that just means you're ignorant |
| 03:56.07 | vorpal | i finally built mysql from source, and everything works |
| 03:56.31 | wwasher | markybob: no, I am the ignorant one ;) |
| 03:56.33 | Guerin | vorpal: file bugs |
| 03:56.51 | vorpal | Guerin: yes, i should |
| 03:56.53 | markybob | wwasher, there's no quota on ignorant people :P |
| 03:57.03 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 03:57.03 | dpkg | hmm... flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
| 03:57.09 | Guerin | there are about a hundred in there |
| 03:57.14 | wwasher | markybob: well, damn. |
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| 04:11.55 | oc80x | Hey whats up fellas |
| 04:12.17 | oc80x | made the ubuntu to debian PowerPC switch.. loaded up the bc43x mod's |
| 04:12.31 | oc80x | but wireless networks are not appearing in network-manager applet. |
| 04:12.40 | oc80x | they were once, i rebooted, gone now. yikes. |
| 04:14.40 | |Ryan52 | anybody know how to trick nocat? (so have a script that you run when you connect to wireless network that accepts or whatever) |
| 04:15.08 | BubbaT | What formats can you use on the /boot partition? |
| 04:15.20 | oc80x | i know that wifi-radar |Ryan52 will let you set that up |
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| 04:18.14 | |Ryan52 | Is nocat in a debian package? |
| 04:19.05 | oc80x | dont care |
| 04:19.17 | oc80x | imah try another reboot |
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| 04:21.17 | jberg | is sshd enabled by default in debian? |
| 04:21.24 | jberg | or do i have to edit a file? |
| 04:21.34 | |Ryan52 | jberg: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 04:21.41 | jberg | okay thanks |
| 04:21.55 | jberg | and what was this ssl thing, do i need to to something? |
| 04:21.58 | Guerin | jberg: it is if you install it. The server is not included in the default installation. |
| 04:21.59 | jberg | oh topic |
| 04:22.21 | Guerin | jberg: depends |
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| 04:22.32 | jberg | depends on what? |
| 04:22.51 | Guerin | on whether your ssl keys were generated using a vulnerable version of libssl |
| 04:23.02 | Guerin | if you don't know, you need to find out |
| 04:23.35 | jberg | ok, this is a default installation of lenny |
| 04:23.41 | Guerin | from when? |
| 04:23.58 | jberg | from a week ago or something |
| 04:24.06 | Guerin | don't guess |
| 04:24.13 | markybob | things would be much simpler if you just read the topic and the wiki page that it points to |
| 04:24.22 | Guerin | compare your version of libssl to that listed as vulnerable on security.debian.org |
| 04:24.26 | Guerin | right |
| 04:24.33 | jberg | yep i will |
| 04:24.33 | |Ryan52 | jberg, Guerin: the current openssh-server will force the good openssl to be installed and will remove bad host keys and will blacklist bad ssh keys |
| 04:24.35 | Guerin | why am I wearing out my keys |
| 04:24.35 | markybob | imagine this...it actually tells you if you have a vulnerable version! isnt that amazing!??! |
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| 04:26.49 | pmartin | hey guys |
| 04:27.02 | pmartin | does someone want to help my troubleshoot a really strange wireless problem? |
| 04:27.05 | pmartin | *me |
| 04:28.22 | |Ryan52 | in subversion, theres no better way to make a tag/branch than 'svn cp', right? |
| 04:29.21 | hoxu | |Ryan52, that was how it was back when I used svn, I suggest you consult the svnbook and #svn for any questions not covered in there |
| 04:30.29 | markybob | |Ryan52, right, that's how it's done |
| 04:31.03 | jberg | im sorry, last thing. ssh-server was installed but its not listening on port 22. which file do i need to edit? i couldnt find it in man ssh_config |
| 04:31.40 | valdyn | jberg: its enabled once its installed, you dont need to edit anything |
| 04:31.40 | Supaplex | jberg: did you start it? |
| 04:31.42 | Guerin | jberg: /etc/ssh/? |
| 04:31.52 | jberg | i didnt start it no |
| 04:32.06 | Guerin | it should start automatically |
| 04:32.07 | jberg | sshd start? |
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| 04:32.19 | jberg | Guerin: hmm i cant ssh my ip |
| 04:32.25 | hoxu | jberg, firewall |
| 04:32.29 | Guerin | jberg: that doesn't mean it's not started, or listening |
| 04:32.31 | Supaplex | jberg: /etc/init.d/ssh start (or something) |
| 04:32.37 | |Ryan52 | jberg: invoke-rc.d openssh-server start |
| 04:32.42 | hoxu | jberg, "netstat -nlpt" to list listening tcp services |
| 04:32.45 | jberg | Guerin: well, it was installed so apt didnt install it again |
| 04:34.14 | jberg | hoxu: yep not listening on port 22 |
| 04:34.33 | hoxu | jberg, then you have disabled it yourself |
| 04:35.17 | jberg | hoxu: nope. this is a clean installation, havent done anything |
| 04:36.57 | Guerin | hm, perhaps sshd doesn't start by default nowadays |
| 04:36.57 | markybob | jberg, what does dpkg -l openssh-server output? |
| 04:37.38 | hoxu | Guerin, that would make no sense... I don't think it's needed/installed by default, is it? |
| 04:38.32 | Guerin | it's not needed by default, no, so if you install it, it's reasonably presumed you want it running |
| 04:39.11 | hoxu | jberg, did you try the command Supaplex provided? |
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| 04:40.44 | jberg | markybob: oh strange. openss-server wasnt installed. i must have mistyped in apt-get, sorry |
| 04:40.59 | jberg | now it works, thanks |
| 04:41.08 | markybob | is a genius! |
| 04:41.16 | hoxu | !win markybob |
| 04:41.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, markybob! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 04:41.17 | valdyn | !be a reading barbie |
| 04:41.17 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, valdyn |
| 04:41.44 | hoxu | reminds me, I added this recently |
| 04:41.48 | hoxu | !full refund policy |
| 04:41.48 | dpkg | We have a full refund policy here. If you aren't satisfied with the service, you can have all the money you paid back! |
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| 04:42.01 | hoxu | what do you think? :p |
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| 04:42.43 | hoxu | !flw |
| 04:42.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw8 is <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
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| 04:45.59 | jberg | when i run hdparm /dev/sda i get HDIO_GET_DMA failed: innapropriate ioctl for device, what does that mean? |
| 04:46.56 | Guerin | jberg: what sort of device is it? |
| 04:47.09 | jberg | SATA disk |
| 04:47.13 | valdyn | jberg: that you are trying this on a sata device |
| 04:47.25 | Guerin | jberg: duh |
| 04:47.50 | jberg | oh, i sdparm |
| 04:48.03 | valdyn | jberg: no, dont try it at all, its silly |
| 04:48.17 | jberg | silly? |
| 04:48.19 | Guerin | sata was designed to fix this, among other fuckups inherent in ide |
| 04:48.34 | Guerin | to obviate all this blind tweakery |
| 04:48.37 | jberg | i see. but it takes a hellofa long time to do stuff like man |
| 04:48.59 | valdyn | jberg: sata isnt a decade old standard supporting pio modes like ata is |
| 04:49.17 | jberg | ok ok, i wont |
| 04:50.08 | iViLe | hoodlum boong |
| 04:50.45 | jberg | is 72mb/s good for a disk? |
| 04:50.54 | jberg | 690 for cached |
| 04:51.13 | valdyn | jberg: why dont you read the documentation to your disk |
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| 04:51.27 | Guerin | !stupid questions |
| 04:51.27 | dpkg | Stupid questions deserve stupid answers. |
| 04:51.40 | jberg | yes ok |
| 04:51.44 | Guerin | !confuse jberg |
| 04:51.44 | dpkg | Yes, who is their pants today, jberg? trousers of the democracy of belarus with extra ham |
| 04:51.47 | slxix | i think it's time to defrag my hard drive. |
| 04:51.48 | Guerin | there you go |
| 04:51.58 | markybob | huh? |
| 04:52.00 | Guerin | slxix: are you using fat? |
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| 04:52.18 | markybob | slxix, you...just...no. you're confused, my poor child |
| 04:52.27 | valdyn | slxix: defragging is usually just a waste of time |
| 04:53.53 | jberg | hmm, i cant remember the package/app that lets you use x over the internet.. does anyone know? |
| 04:54.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:54.19 | jberg | like, login to another box and use x |
| 04:54.21 | slxix | oh, i was just trying to add more confusion. i read the "defrag article" this past week. :) |
| 04:54.26 | Guerin | jberg: man ssh |
| 04:54.45 | jberg | Guerin: but this was a special program i think |
| 04:54.52 | jberg | can you do it with ssh too? |
| 04:54.55 | markybob | umm...vnc? |
| 04:55.03 | jberg | no something else |
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| 04:55.16 | Guerin | jberg: no, i just suggested it to you so you'd spend a couple of hours trying to figure it out, fail, and then I can laugh at you |
| 04:55.20 | Guerin | because I'm a bastard |
| 04:55.26 | slxix | jberg: telnet? |
| 04:55.27 | jberg | oh i see |
| 04:55.31 | Guerin | look at man ssh, ffs |
| 04:55.33 | jberg | nope |
| 04:55.42 | jberg | i am |
| 04:55.47 | legis | What does debian uses for smbmount? |
| 04:55.53 | Guerin | legis: smbmount |
| 04:55.54 | valdyn | legis: mount |
| 04:55.57 | slxix | Guerin: ffs as in the filesystem" |
| 04:56.04 | markybob | dude, is it sunday? |
| 04:56.05 | slxix | s/"/? |
| 04:56.12 | Guerin | slxix: no. |
| 04:56.52 | legis | Guerin: looks like there is no smbmount in debian. |
| 04:56.59 | hoxu | !installit |
| 04:56.59 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 04:57.07 | legis | valdyn: I tried mount -t smbfs but say unknow type |
| 04:57.17 | Guerin | !find bin/smbmount |
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| 04:57.57 | markybob | damn shame when dpkg lags |
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| 04:57.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/smbmount' (1): (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs. |
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| 04:58.17 | markybob | oh, look, it's in debian! |
| 04:58.21 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 04:58.27 | valdyn | legis: that also requires the smbfs package |
| 04:58.28 | slxix | Guerin: what is ffs? |
| 04:58.29 | Guerin | markybob: rebuilding the package database |
| 04:58.32 | Guerin | !ffs |
| 04:58.32 | dpkg | [ffs] for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 04:58.40 | slxix | oh jeez :) |
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| 04:59.36 | hoxu | disregard the disgruntled old beards, they are living in denial, not accepting the fact that tomorrow is sunday, again |
| 05:00.13 | snowrichard | I just got a sparc classic. I'm thinking that debian or gentoo worked on the ipx I used to have...but I'd have to net boot the installer, there's no cdrom, though I could buy one. |
| 05:00.39 | markybob | is there a question in there? |
| 05:00.51 | snowrichard | just thinking out loud |
| 05:01.00 | markybob | oh. #debian-offtopic |
| 05:01.25 | hoxu | markybob, is there someone there besides elky? :p |
| 05:01.46 | markybob | never been in there myself :P |
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| 05:01.53 | hoxu | duh |
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| 05:04.04 | Tenkawa | is there a kernel config file out there in one of the packages that would show how say linux-image-blah was configured since the /proc/config interface appears to be compiled out |
| 05:04.46 | hoxu | that's a very good question |
| 05:04.56 | hoxu | next question please? |
| 05:04.57 | markybob | Tenkawa, the config files are place in /boot/ |
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| 05:05.02 | markybob | placed* |
| 05:05.10 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 05:05.22 | Tenkawa | excellent |
| 05:05.25 | Tenkawa | thank ye |
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| 05:05.48 | Tenkawa | brain not working so well at 1 AM |
| 05:05.50 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 05:06.14 | Tenkawa | beautiful |
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| 05:08.08 | Tenkawa | probably going to build it around my hardware needs but still nice to have it for reference |
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| 05:11.01 | SerajewelKS | ok so i have a bridge with two interfaces in it |
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| 05:11.10 | SerajewelKS | broadcasts from tap0 go out eth2 |
| 05:11.20 | SerajewelKS | broadcasts coming in on eth2 don't go out tap0 |
| 05:11.24 | SerajewelKS | why would this be? |
| 05:11.37 | Supaplex | how are you monitoring tap0? |
| 05:11.42 | SerajewelKS | tcpdump |
| 05:12.26 | Supaplex | so tcpdump -ni tap0 etc? |
| 05:12.30 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 05:12.32 | SerajewelKS | -l too |
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| 05:12.51 | Supaplex | okay |
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| 05:13.52 | akio | has anyone used xstarfish before? |
| 05:14.12 | hoxu | akio, no, not even the author |
| 05:14.12 | Supaplex | !anyone use xstarfish |
| 05:14.12 | dpkg | No, no one uses xstarfish, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:14.35 | akio | hmm |
| 05:14.36 | jroes_ | is there a standard place most unix domain sockets live? |
| 05:14.38 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: what output do you have for brctl show? |
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| 05:14.49 | Supaplex | akio: meta question == lose. EAGAIN. |
| 05:14.51 | hoxu | akio, hint: that wasn't a real question |
| 05:14.56 | akio | i knew that |
| 05:15.02 | akio | but not the meta part |
| 05:15.20 | akio | i know its wrong but i don't know how to classify it as wrong |
| 05:15.36 | hoxu | jroes_, netstat? |
| 05:15.45 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: it shows br0 containing eth2 and tap0 |
| 05:15.53 | akio | xstarfish is not drawing my desktop despite disabling nautilus's handling of it |
| 05:16.20 | akio | im install Etch on a Satellite 115CS |
| 05:16.47 | akio | installing* |
| 05:16.54 | akio | dpkg xstarfish |
| 05:16.54 | dpkg | akio: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:16.57 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: and this applies while the bridge is setup, right? (there's a hold time before it starts forwarding) |
| 05:17.00 | akio | ha |
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| 05:17.38 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: in dmesg: br0: port 2(tap0) entering forwarding state |
| 05:18.17 | jroes_ | hoxu: yeah I guess what I meant to say was: if i were writing something that made a unix socket available, is there a standard place to put it? :) |
| 05:18.20 | mohadib | hello , i just installed lenny , and fonts in firefox do not look anti aliased , can i fix this someway? |
| 05:18.33 | jroes_ | from netstat /var/run or /tmp look likely |
| 05:18.44 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: and frames that originate on the other side of the bridge are showing too? (eg, non broadcast frames from eth2 show up in tap0) |
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| 05:19.02 | hoxu | jroes_, /tmp is cleaned at boot iirc, not sure about /var/run |
| 05:19.05 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: i have not tested this, one sec |
| 05:19.22 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: hrm |
| 05:19.48 | markybob | mohadib, you probably just need to install msttcorefonts |
| 05:19.51 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: well i can't really ping it since broadcasts (e.g. ARP requests) don't make it through |
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| 05:20.40 | mohadib | markybob: thanks , im trying it now |
| 05:21.08 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: does any traffic show up while monitoring tap0? traffic generated on your own machine may be problematic for troubleshooting at present. (linux borrows the loopback for physical local stuff) |
| 05:21.31 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: what kind of traffic? |
| 05:21.36 | Supaplex | anything |
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| 05:21.42 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: i see broadcast traffic coming in on tap0, it goes out eth2 just fine |
| 05:21.47 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: here's what i see |
| 05:22.00 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: it's doing DHCP |
| 05:22.02 | Supaplex | well, anything from eth2 |
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| 05:22.49 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: on br0 i see the request (from tap0) and the reply (from eth2) |
| 05:22.56 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: on tap0 i only see the request |
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| 05:24.03 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: seems odd. I'd throw some things at google and see what you find. eg, linux dhcp bridge tap0 |
| 05:24.04 | mohadib | markybob: thanks , that did it |
| 05:24.21 | markybob | mohadib, np |
| 05:24.41 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: let me know if you find any interesting facts. I don't have any idea... |
| 05:24.57 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: checked iptables too, it seems fine :? |
| 05:24.58 | SerajewelKS | :/* |
| 05:26.04 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: my iptables rules are lengthy. I have to resort to injecting -j LOG targets in some places to trace where my suspect traffic is going. it's usually not something I can just drop all the rules and test w/o it (production env) |
| 05:27.06 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: yeah i do the same |
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| 05:41.59 | Mazreal | I have a problem with the initial boot of debian. When the splash image is supposed to show breifly and then go away, Debian displays a glitched splash image and then freezes there. I have read that this has to do with my geforce 7800 graphics card. Any solutions, ideas, links would be helpful. |
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| 05:48.19 | K|NgGh0sT | Is there a command to see what ports a program is using? |
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| 05:48.43 | Supaplex | K|NgGh0sT: lsof, netstat |
| 05:51.10 | Mazreal | Nobody loves me though.... |
| 05:51.32 | Supaplex | !comfort Mazreal |
| 05:51.32 | dpkg | There, there, Mazreal. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:51.34 | superfirelordof4 | Mazreal: is it a new video card? |
| 05:51.55 | Mazreal | no it isn't |
| 05:51.56 | Supaplex | Mazreal: does it work when you boot w/o framebuffer/splash etc? |
| 05:52.37 | Mazreal | how do i do that? |
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| 05:52.43 | K|NgGh0sT | Supaplex, thanks |
| 05:53.32 | Supaplex | Mazreal: I don't recall. I go out of my way to disable/ommit support for those. :) |
| 05:54.13 | Mazreal | I'm trying something I read right now. |
| 05:54.22 | superfirelordof4 | hmmm, does all other X11 stuff work with the card from debian? |
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| 05:55.33 | Mazreal | superfirelordof4: I'm trying with the nvidia kernal common |
| 05:55.55 | Mazreal | superfirelordof4: got |
| 05:55.58 | Mazreal | got it |
| 05:56.02 | superfirelordof4 | ok, ill let someone else help you, over my head |
| 05:56.09 | superfirelordof4 | you got it? awsome... |
| 05:56.19 | yang | What is the usual fix for the boot error - cannot mount root fs...Its an initrd image |
| 05:57.27 | akio | where would I find a good VOIP review site? |
| 05:58.16 | yang | akio: check www.voip-info.org |
| 05:58.20 | superfirelord42 | yang: have you updated the initrd or kernel recently? |
| 05:58.29 | yang | superfirelord42: both |
| 05:58.48 | yang | superfirelord42: dist-upgrade |
| 05:59.07 | superfirelord42 | hmmm, could it be using an old image that got lost in the upgrade... |
| 05:59.17 | superfirelord42 | are you on the computer you are having a problem with? |
| 05:59.43 | yang | superfirelord42: no i can still boot the old kernel and the new one fails at the point of mounting root fs, i think its something initrd related.. |
| 05:59.58 | yang | superfirelord42: yes |
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| 06:03.12 | superfirelord42 | yang: hmmm, i am not as familiar with the dist-upgrade call, i just remember the last time I used a similar thing in debian, it deleted its own kernel. what initrd images are in the /boot folder? |
| 06:04.27 | mjburling | Can anyone here tell me why they think Xandros is so terrible? |
| 06:05.01 | dondelelcaro | mjburling: #xandros can talk to you about that. |
| 06:05.16 | mjburling | Probabaly not. |
| 06:05.55 | Supaplex | mjburling: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/about |
| 06:06.16 | Supaplex | compare with their about pages, and maybe you'll decide for yourself. |
| 06:06.31 | mjburling | Very wise. |
| 06:07.04 | BubbaT | Everytime i install a new firefox package, it install symolic links pointing to the wrong place. |
| 06:07.23 | dondelelcaro | BubbaT: you mean iceweasel? |
| 06:07.31 | Supaplex | BubbaT: why not use iceweasel? |
| 06:07.48 | BubbaT | dondelelcaro, yes. |
| 06:08.07 | Supaplex | what links are they? |
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| 06:08.34 | ping | strongswan problems with checkpoint: strongswan says NO_PROPOSAL_CHOSEN |
| 06:08.38 | ping | google is useless |
| 06:08.55 | ping | this is debians "stable" strongswan 2.x |
| 06:09.02 | Supaplex | ping: ipsec? |
| 06:09.06 | ping | Supaplex: yes |
| 06:09.20 | superfirelord42 | i am running an expert debian install, it crashed on the last part of the Select and install software, is there an easy way for it to pick up where it left off, or do I have to rerun that part again? |
| 06:09.53 | BubbaT | Supaplex, I'm doing a find for them right now. |
| 06:09.57 | Supaplex | ping: there's no matching proposal beteen both sides. some of the stuff has to match exactly before they accept a session setup |
| 06:10.28 | ping | Supaplex: i gather this much. i am trying to do this w/o the other end knowing. we are migrating our cisco configs to an open source env. |
| 06:10.52 | ping | Supaplex: sucks right |
| 06:10.53 | Supaplex | can you trace the options used in a known working setup? |
| 06:11.03 | ping | Supaplex: racoon works too. |
| 06:12.15 | ping | Supaplex: ike-scan reveals what we use, esp=3des-md5-96, according to source and manuals |
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| 06:12.43 | ping | so we are at the point where we need to call them and be like "turn off PFS and deflate" |
| 06:12.47 | Supaplex | does ike-scan show the same from your new setup? |
| 06:12.58 | ping | exactly, according to RFC |
| 06:13.10 | ping | verified man, spent hours last night reading it |
| 06:13.35 | Supaplex | humm. I'm still green to ipsec. I've only used it in a lab/teaching senario so far |
| 06:13.51 | ping | Supaplex: big problem is we just upgraded openssl, and to overlay these packages on debian we'd have to regen keys across the whole system |
| 06:14.13 | Supaplex | sounds like fun. :P |
| 06:14.19 | ping | Supaplex: and by overlay i mean use an unstable version of strongswan |
| 06:14.28 | ping | Supaplex: thats why we make the big bucks ;) |
| 06:14.35 | Supaplex | was it backported? |
| 06:14.48 | ping | Supaplex: was what backported? |
| 06:14.59 | Supaplex | strongswan |
| 06:15.05 | ping | Supaplex: strongswan 2.x is stable in the latest debian. |
| 06:15.10 | Supaplex | or did you just install unstable ontop of something else? |
| 06:15.24 | ping | Supaplex: i am no debian user so no we did not just build out some new version. |
| 06:15.25 | Supaplex | aka sid |
| 06:15.42 | ping | Supaplex: we cant because it will screw up like all the crap this dude has built out alread |
| 06:16.05 | mjburling | Ok. Reading the Xandros about page makes me feel kind of dirty. |
| 06:16.09 | Supaplex | don't install sid(unstable) packages on etch(stable). nasty issues will ensue |
| 06:16.10 | ping | < ping> Supaplex: big problem is we just upgraded openssl, and to overlay these packages on debian we'd have to regen keys across the whole system |
| 06:16.45 | Supaplex | you lost me near "and by overlay i mean use an unstable version of strongswan" then |
| 06:16.47 | ping | Supaplex: i dont remember what the convention is to override debian packaging |
| 06:16.59 | Supaplex | !tell ping -about backports |
| 06:17.22 | ping | Supaplex: ok, when you want to put some *testing* package on a stable system |
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| 06:17.35 | bthornton | what should I change the partition ID to for a partition that I wish to create an XFS filesystem on? |
| 06:17.53 | ping | Supaplex: thanks, read it |
| 06:18.07 | ping | Supaplex: we have upgraded the debian install to the latest stuff |
| 06:18.26 | ping | Supaplex: so it could be considered the current |
| 06:18.34 | superfirelord42 | bthornton: 83 http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#partitiontype |
| 06:18.36 | ping | Supaplex: "backport" is not applicable.. |
| 06:18.42 | Supaplex | ping: oh... I think EGRAMMAR confused me. you're just restating if backports are acceptable for that, then yes. (it's easy to revert) |
| 06:18.45 | superfirelord42 | if its on linux |
| 06:18.52 | bthornton | superfirelord42: It is indeed; thanks! |
| 06:19.03 | Supaplex | ping: so you're running testing or unstable in production? |
| 06:19.50 | ping | Supaplex: hell i dont know man, i forget what version Debian is on. I know it's on the latest "apt-get upgrade system" or whatever that command was |
| 06:19.56 | Supaplex | !releases |
| 06:19.57 | dpkg | from memory, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 06:20.12 | ping | Supaplex: brb |
| 06:20.34 | ping | Supaplex: etch |
| 06:20.35 | superfirelord42 | how did you make dpkg talk? |
| 06:21.04 | ping | Supaplex: i am a lazy slackware, gentoo, obsd guy |
| 06:21.14 | Supaplex | ping: okay. it's suggested to run stable (currently etch) in mission/business critical senarios. backporting can cherry pick specific apps on a needed basis (isolates most bugs to the new software) |
| 06:21.20 | ping | Supaplex: i'd just like strongswan to werk ;P |
| 06:21.22 | Supaplex | good :) |
| 06:21.29 | Supaplex | !tell ping about bts |
| 06:21.46 | superfirelord42 | oh, the !.... |
| 06:21.55 | ping | Supaplex: gracias |
| 06:22.00 | Supaplex | find any bugs? I have a Juniper router I can test here with something similar, but I left my docs at work. :) |
| 06:22.30 | ping | Supaplex: i wouldn't call this a bug per se, more like a deprecated package |
| 06:22.42 | Supaplex | orite |
| 06:23.31 | ping | guys this is why debian bothers me |
| 06:23.38 | ping | it drags out things... |
| 06:24.14 | ping | with some ancient version of a package that was stable like 10 years ago |
| 06:24.17 | Supaplex | dpkg: too old |
| 06:24.17 | dpkg | supaplex, what, it's too stable for you? |
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| 06:24.37 | ping | while the real nature of OSS is to raise the bar |
| 06:24.38 | Supaplex | I haven't used etch for 10 years |
| 06:25.22 | ping | umm, etch was released about a year ago |
| 06:25.49 | Supaplex | so you meant about 10 months ago... or something. |
| 06:26.09 | markybob | a year is not old when you *need* stability |
| 06:26.33 | markybob | potato->sarge may have been a bit much, but there's no reason to be complaining about etch |
| 06:26.40 | ping | markybob: agreed but *stability* when it comes to debian means stuff like: apache and perl |
| 06:26.52 | ping | markybob: not one-off stuff like ipsec |
| 06:27.04 | ping | markybob: it gets ignored easily |
| 06:27.07 | Supaplex | one-off stuff fits perfectly within the backport paradigm |
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| 06:27.20 | markybob | and debian-volatile |
| 06:27.26 | Supaplex | just because it's in stable, doesn't mean the unstable release is totally ignored |
| 06:27.39 | Supaplex | stable is more of a snapshot release |
| 06:27.55 | ping | Supaplex: so maybe i am not explaining this right. there is some file where you can specifically override versions that you want apt-get to install right? |
| 06:28.02 | superfirelord42 | wait, are we still on etch? have we updated our net install cd since etch? |
| 06:28.27 | ping | and you put "strongswan" in there and it says strongswan can't be installed without upgrading half a dozen important things |
| 06:28.34 | ping | like the kernel, openssl, etc. |
| 06:28.39 | Supaplex | superfirelord42: debian-installer is updated all the time. the etch release has seen some fixups while it's current. |
| 06:29.20 | superfirelord42 | Supaplex: thx, scared me for a sec, the last time i ran the install from etch it died, misrebly, deleted itself... |
| 06:29.35 | ping | Supaplex: and this is not practical for a number of obvious reasons |
| 06:29.47 | Supaplex | ping: it's release driven, so normally you'd have all or nothing. backports rely (I think) on individual package priorities to prevent a tsunami of updates |
| 06:29.51 | ping | Supaplex: especially on your production systems, like all 300 of them |
| 06:30.16 | Supaplex | it's not that hard to rsync /etc/apt on all those boxes, is it? |
| 06:30.20 | ping | Supaplex: thanks for the clarification. |
| 06:30.47 | ping | Supaplex: i just started work here, like i said, i am a gentoo/bsd fan |
| 06:30.56 | ping | Supaplex: and i walked into a mess |
| 06:31.21 | Supaplex | well if we had this discussion a year ago, I'd be asking to trade you jobs. ;) |
| 06:31.32 | superfirelord42 | ping: hey, im a rpm based distro person, and ubuntu, no experiance with debian |
| 06:31.43 | superfirelord42 | well untill right now.. |
| 06:31.43 | ping | Supaplex: they had some dude build out a debian infrastructure and it got way too complicated to manage because of it |
| 06:32.41 | ping | superfirelord42: go install slackware, you'll thank me in 1 month |
| 06:33.12 | ping | superfirelord42: in fact, go put gentoo or freebsd on a box and watch stuff compile. |
| 06:33.15 | superfirelord42 | ping: did it already, computer had a hard disk failure unfortunatly, im now stuck on a windows with QEMU |
| 06:33.30 | Supaplex | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 06:33.30 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 06:33.35 | superfirelord42 | ping: i have done freebsd, liked that alot... havent tried gentoo yet |
| 06:33.52 | Supaplex | you can resize that ntfs and make room :) |
| 06:34.00 | ping | ok i dont mean to be nasty so thanks Supaplex, i'll look into some debian specific things that might help us resolve this mess |
| 06:34.07 | Supaplex | the installer has a built-in parted |
| 06:34.30 | Supaplex | ping: good luck :) |
| 06:35.32 | superfirelord42 | yang: any luck with the initrd issue? |
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| 06:37.47 | yang | superfirelord42: havent solved it yet |
| 06:38.15 | superfirelord42 | yang: what is the contents of /boot ? |
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| 06:39.45 | yang | superfirelord42: quite many files there |
| 06:40.01 | yang | superfirelord42: its getting the right initrd image |
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| 06:40.13 | Supaplex | yang: grub can tab complete. if the root (...) is setup, then you can probe kernel /<tab><tab> to see a list of files etc |
| 06:40.21 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 06:40.21 | cahoot | yang: not simply the matter of hd* now being sd* ? |
| 06:40.28 | Erick | hey i have a question.... how come when i do apt-get install xmms it's not in my source.list it says packaged not found |
| 06:40.29 | yang | Supaplex: I am not using grub |
| 06:40.30 | superfirelord42 | Supaplex: what if he did a command to redo the build of his initrd |
| 06:40.53 | superfirelord42 | Supaplex: i think there was a dpkg-something to do it, i just dont know the specifics... |
| 06:41.02 | Supaplex | update-something |
| 06:41.04 | superfirelord42 | yang: lilo? |
| 06:41.21 | Erick | !info xmms |
| 06:41.23 | yang | superfirelord42: aboot (alpha) |
| 06:41.38 | superfirelord42 | aboot? not familiar with that one... |
| 06:41.57 | Supaplex | yang: and now you tell us? :) nice... |
| 06:42.33 | Supaplex | update-initramfs I would think. |
| 06:42.51 | superfirelord42 | yang: what arch is your computer? x86? |
| 06:42.57 | yang | and then dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.x |
| 06:43.07 | Supaplex | !alpha |
| 06:43.07 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
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| 06:43.49 | superfirelord42 | Supaplex: oh, i thought it was an alpha release, got it... i dont know anything about alphas, im stepping out of this one... |
| 06:44.09 | Supaplex | I had too much of my own fun on pa-risc. |
| 06:45.19 | Supaplex | it's only partially a bootloader issue (wich yang might have to figure out alone), if he can control the booting of which kernel+initrd and paramaters etc. |
| 06:45.26 | yang | I haven't done anything on pa-risc since sarge and there I had exactly the same error about root fs, however it was solved with some hint |
| 06:45.27 | Supaplex | s/wich/which/ |
| 06:46.43 | Supaplex | I gave up pa-risc after learning the motherboard in my box had some pretty serious design flaws (bugs related to pci bus transfers to expansion cards). made using it as a firewall USELESS. :( |
| 06:47.15 | yang | Supaplex: you had an IDE pa-risc? |
| 06:47.28 | Supaplex | would of been great for sploits tho. no body bothers to compile shell code for that arch :) |
| 06:47.33 | Supaplex | it was scsi |
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| 06:47.48 | Supaplex | I traded it off for some work on my car |
| 06:48.03 | yang | good trade ! |
| 06:48.22 | yang | I still have about 5 HP 9000 machines to give away |
| 06:48.26 | Supaplex | I know I got more out of it than what I paid for it :) |
| 06:48.41 | Supaplex | I sent a truck load of those to the second hand store |
| 06:48.47 | Supaplex | after gutting drives and misc stuff |
| 06:49.05 | yang | we don't have second hand stores |
| 06:49.10 | Alarm | goodmorning. i have some problems with my greek fonts, on several applications. Like on some flash player movies, mplayer subtitles and others. (although i can view webpages written in greek or in other applications as well). after seting up the greek locales, everything worked fine with greek. but most of my applications changed their menus and windows to greek |
| 06:49.26 | Alarm | can i avoid this ? i mean to use greek locales but keep my whole environment under english language ? |
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| 06:49.57 | Supaplex | !locale |
| 06:49.58 | dpkg | somebody said locale was set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 06:50.18 | Alarm | i did reconfigure my locale |
| 06:50.22 | Alarm | i havent asked how to reconfigure it |
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| 06:50.44 | Supaplex | you set the preference order in the env vars, highest preference first |
| 06:50.46 | Alarm | i asked if i can use the greek locales but keep the english language in all my application environment |
| 06:50.51 | Supaplex | yes |
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| 06:51.19 | Alarm | how can i change the order ? |
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| 06:51.40 | Supaplex | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:51.41 | Supaplex | LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:en |
| 06:51.55 | Supaplex | see the : ? |
| 06:51.58 | Alarm | frankly talking i didnt understand how |
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| 06:52.15 | Supaplex | what's in /etc/default/locale |
| 06:52.15 | Alarm | i add this in the locale file ? |
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| 06:52.38 | Alarm | LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15 only |
| 06:52.51 | Alarm | although i remember on the dpkg-reconfigure locales i did choose also greek locales |
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| 06:52.56 | Alarm | but i dont seem them in the list |
| 06:53.36 | BubbaT | Ok /usr/local/bin/iceweasel is linked to ../lib/iceweasel/iceweasel ( aka /usr/local/lib/iceweasel ) but the executable is in /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel |
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| 06:54.01 | BubbaT | Everytime I upgrade the link goes bad. |
| 06:54.28 | Erick | hey how do you installed glib? |
| 06:54.36 | markybob | wtf |
| 06:55.58 | BubbaT | markybob, who you talking to? |
| 06:55.58 | Alarm | ok i did add them in my locale file. let me try again |
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| 06:59.00 | Supaplex | I don't get why /etc/passwd isn't included with: find /etc/ -type f 2>/dev/null | grep -f - -Fl root 2>/dev/null |
| 06:59.24 | Supaplex | there's no output :-/ |
| 06:59.47 | Erick | what happend to xmms? |
| 06:59.52 | Erick | why was it remove from the debian... mirrors? |
| 07:00.34 | Supaplex | because my neighbor down the street kept his xmms running all night at full blast. ;) |
| 07:00.42 | Supaplex | what mirror? what release of debian? |
| 07:01.03 | Erick | lol |
| 07:01.05 | slxix | i see xmms2 |
| 07:01.15 | Erick | yeah but that's about it xmms2 is only text, and that's about it |
| 07:01.44 | BubbaT | Supaplex, how do you know? |
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| 07:02.45 | Erick | xmms: error while loading shared libraries: libxmms.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:02.46 | mimcpher | !tell Erick about xmms |
| 07:02.46 | Erick | any ideas? |
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| 07:03.04 | mimcpher | Not related to your error, but related to xmms in debian |
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| 07:03.29 | Alarm | Supaplex, well, doesnt seem to work. now even if i choose only the english locales, i still have greek menus on in my applications interfaces |
| 07:03.32 | Erick | how come im getting that error on running it? |
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| 07:04.08 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.17 | Erick | how can i fixed that though? |
| 07:05.41 | cahoot | Erick: you run etch? |
| 07:05.49 | Erick | nope sid |
| 07:06.19 | cahoot | already read the info in /msg dpkg xmms? |
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| 07:08.03 | Supaplex | Alarm: I don't know how to switch it on the fly. if you know the process id, tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/<pid>/environ | grep LANG to verify it didn't inherit the setting incorrectly |
| 07:08.19 | Alarm | okie |
| 07:08.58 | Alarm | strange. the locales reconfiguration interface is translated again in english. though my gtk application still remain in greek |
| 07:08.59 | Alarm | dont get it |
| 07:09.19 | Supaplex | env is inheritable from the application that forked/started it |
| 07:09.58 | Erick | how do i download the windows fonts? |
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| 07:10.44 | Alarm | now with the reconfiguration i get serveral errors: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), |
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| 07:12.16 | Supaplex | Alarm: that's mostly harmless, but perl usually only complains with that when others are set to. like LANG and something else. |
| 07:12.29 | Alarm | just for the record. i dont see in my home dir either the bashrc file so that i can add some language settings in there |
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| 07:12.47 | mohadib | hello , i noticed cfdisk is not in apt , what is the replacement? |
| 07:12.47 | Alarm | somethings wrong with my system |
| 07:12.55 | Supaplex | you can create it |
| 07:13.04 | Alarm | creating it on my own would help or it would be useles |
| 07:13.05 | Supaplex | !tell mohadib -about search |
| 07:13.12 | Erick | can someone pasted me there source.list? |
| 07:13.14 | Erick | if is possible? |
| 07:13.21 | Supaplex | !tell Erick -about sources.list |
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| 07:14.52 | mohadib | Supaplex: thanks cheif |
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| 07:15.10 | Supaplex | np. *yawn* - nite. |
| 07:16.57 | mohadib | gpart tries to guess the partion table |
| 07:17.06 | mohadib | thats what was suggested when searching for cfdisk |
| 07:17.15 | mohadib | i want something that reads the partion table |
| 07:17.23 | mohadib | can anyone suggest an app |
| 07:17.27 | Erick | !info waimea |
| 07:17.45 | Supaplex | apt-file search bin/cfdisk |
| 07:18.03 | Supaplex | it's in a debian package... util-linux: sbin/cfdisk |
| 07:18.12 | mohadib | thank you |
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| 07:23.12 | jberg | hm, what does debian use as a X resource or init file? i cant find ~/.xsession or something similar? |
| 07:25.03 | jberg | ah, /usr/share/xsession |
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| 07:31.28 | Patric1 | I have a Debian Etch server that appears to have a kernel leak. The output of syslog is http://pastebin.com/m617d84d1. What is my next step ? How can I determine which driver is causing the leak ? |
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| 07:33.09 | abusado | i want to block this ip on iptable 210.*.*.* |
| 07:33.13 | abusado | how can i do it? |
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| 07:33.39 | abusado | anybody? |
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| 07:36.45 | akio | is there a tool in debian already that provides wake-on-lan? |
| 07:36.47 | Blissex | Patric1: that's not what your paste says -- there are 65536 pages and not all are kernel allocated. |
| 07:36.59 | akio | dpkg wake on lan |
| 07:36.59 | dpkg | methinks wake on lan is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN et al |
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| 07:37.24 | Blissex | Patric1: what's more likely is that the memory is enormously fragmented or some application is doing silly things. |
| 07:38.15 | Blissex | Patric1: however, try to increase the frequency of the flush daemon (quite a few dirty pages) and play with the value of 'swappiness'. |
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| 07:39.09 | \amethyst | abusado: iptables -I INPUT -s 210.0.0.0/8 -j REJECT |
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| 07:40.24 | \amethyst | abusado: or -j DROP depending on whether you want to send an error packet telling them the packet was rejected (REJECT sends a packet, DROP doesn't) |
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| 07:41.48 | Patric1 | Blissex: It's a VM under VMWare. It is possible that something has gone "wrong" with the VMWare infrastructure ? Is there any way to track down this issue to a particular driver or application ? There were 20+ rsync rouge processes when I found the box in this state, but this could be a symptom rather than a cause. |
| 07:42.03 | \amethyst | abusado: -I puts the rule at the beginning of the chain; you can use -I INPUT 5 instead to put it before the fifth rule, or -A INPUT as the last rule |
| 07:43.36 | abusado | thanks \amethyst |
| 07:43.43 | abusado | should i use -p tcp? |
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| 07:45.37 | abusado | \amethyst can i PM you? |
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| 07:50.55 | dave12 | I sync /home pc1 and /home pc2 and whem I go to pc2 to open firefox dont open |
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| 07:51.10 | dave12 | I restart pc2 and sometimes work others no |
| 07:51.43 | dutchfish | dave12: .bashrc and family only works after relogon |
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| 07:51.58 | Assid | hi |
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| 07:52.24 | Assid | how safely can i move to a software raid on a production box without risking a data loss |
| 07:52.32 | Patric1 | What's the equivalent command to "free" that lists kernel pages/dirty pages etc ? I currently only get a dump of this information in syslog when a "memory squeeze" occurs |
| 07:52.43 | streuner_ | Assid: backup data? :-P |
| 07:52.53 | dutchfish | dave12: a better way would to have home on a nfs share on the network, so you wont need to sync it, and no of those issues |
| 07:53.05 | Assid | streuner_: too much data.. and cant really afford anything more than a reboot or 2 |
| 07:53.45 | streuner_ | when the HD(s) say "hasta la vista baby" you have the time then |
| 07:54.19 | Assid | streuner_: well, one of the reasons why i wanna move to software raid |
| 07:54.40 | Assid | kinda a delicate thin line where i can do this |
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| 07:55.36 | dutchfish | i succesfully compiled kvm/qemu from source under 2.6.25-4 on amd64 flavour running on intel E8500. However on debian etch install i386 grub chokes on install (not on 64 bit) how to solve this? |
| 07:55.58 | dutchfish | and i mean guest install |
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| 07:56.03 | superfirelord42 | i just did that |
| 07:56.11 | superfirelord42 | does it choke, or take a while |
| 07:56.14 | Assid | ijm actually trying to simulate this on my home box on ubuntu, considering it should be more or less the same as my etch box, but i still would appreciate someone overlooking what im doing |
| 07:56.16 | superfirelord42 | my grub took like 5 minutes |
| 07:56.38 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: it took 25 minutes exactly then, i got killed by kvm |
| 07:56.59 | superfirelord42 | kvm? |
| 07:57.13 | Patric1 | Blissex: Thank you for your help. What's the equivalent command to "free" that lists kernel pages/dirty pages etc ? I currently only get a dump of this information in syslog when a "memory squeeze" occurs |
| 07:57.35 | superfirelord42 | dutchfish: i am running this on windows so i did not have to worry about that... but i ran it with 64MB of mem, forcing the low mem installer |
| 07:57.45 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: yup, illegal memmory access, far pointer not supported (legacy mode) |
| 07:58.21 | superfirelord42 | dutchfish: how much memory are you giving QEMU? |
| 07:58.22 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: duh ... |
| 07:58.35 | streuner_ | Assid: look at consulants web page (www.debian.org) and find someone who has experience with that |
| 07:58.52 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: host has 16G guest was configured for 512 mb tasksel basic install |
| 07:59.05 | streuner_ | Assid: another good place would be prolly debian-isp ML |
| 07:59.29 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: what kernel did you use (amd64)? |
| 08:00.01 | superfirelord42 | nope, i used x86, so i have no knolage of amd64, ill let someone else help you on that... |
| 08:00.07 | Assid | streuner_: tbh, i did this a lonngg time ago . probably 4-5 years ago.. someone here helped me on that.. |
| 08:00.13 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: ok, thx anayway |
| 08:00.20 | streuner_ | Assid: hm, remember who? |
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| 08:00.34 | Assid | nah.. thats the screw up.. i cant even find those chat archives |
| 08:00.48 | streuner_ | Assid: data lose? ;-) |
| 08:01.29 | Assid | haha.. nah.. was another box we shut that down 1 year later.. |
| 08:02.05 | dutchfish | Assid: whats wrong with partimage? |
| 08:03.00 | Assid | partimage? |
| 08:03.32 | dutchfish | Assid: yes, to backup the box and read it back later when you got softraid |
| 08:03.44 | BubbaT | Ok. I'm having trouble partitioning a had drive with gparted. I keep getting a message: "Error informing the kernal about modifications to /dev/sda16 -- Invalid Argument. |
| 08:03.58 | BubbaT | s/had/hard/ |
| 08:04.18 | Vasistha | BubbaT: why don't you use cfdisk? |
| 08:04.27 | Assid | dutchfish: very very low exposure on this.. and its a box in the US and im in asia |
| 08:04.40 | dutchfish | superfirelord42: ok, got it solved, it works when i do not install in into mbr in the guest |
| 08:04.55 | superfirelord42 | ah... |
| 08:04.57 | superfirelord42 | cool... |
| 08:05.24 | dutchfish | Assid: ok, sorry was just a hint, didnt know that |
| 08:05.47 | dutchfish | Assid: unless you have remote boot and a kvm ;) |
| 08:06.34 | Assid | well.. they gave me ipmi access.. but honestly it doesnt work right 1/2 the time |
| 08:06.49 | dutchfish | Assid: draqcard? |
| 08:06.52 | Assid | dutchfish: another problem is i got only 2 drives on it |
| 08:07.05 | Assid | dutchfish: err.. nah.. something similar.. i think from supermicro |
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| 08:07.18 | dutchfish | Assid: yeh, those sxxx |
| 08:07.22 | BubbaT | Vasistha, what's the matter with gparted? |
| 08:07.36 | Assid | dutchfish: yeah well thats why i said "1/2 the time" |
| 08:07.55 | Vasistha | BubbaT: I'd say the problem is "Error informing the kernal about modifications to /dev/sda16 -- Invalid Argument." |
| 08:08.15 | Vasistha | hehe :) |
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| 08:09.39 | dutchfish | Assid: http://www.ctunion.com/node/178 (but i would not dare it) |
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| 08:10.13 | Aaron | !source.list |
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| 08:11.33 | streuner_ | Aaron: sources.list |
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| 08:14.42 | Assid | dutchfish: seems straight forward.. but risky as hell |
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| 08:16.03 | mauser_ | query on sendmail... post un-install. Is there a way I can "clean out" the hooks from sendmail? |
| 08:16.33 | dutchfish | Assid: yup, mirrors please (5th element) ;) |
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| 08:17.36 | Assid | hrmm dont remember those words in the movie.. i do remember "aziz, lights!" |
| 08:17.52 | dutchfish | Assid: yes, correct thank you :) |
| 08:18.47 | Assid | im afraid we're too geeky |
| 08:19.04 | dutchfish | Assid: no comment ;) |
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| 08:20.11 | mauser | ok, I must be a singularity to "play" with sendmail. <aka fng . . . :D> |
| 08:20.12 | akio | is there a floppy distro that supports pcmcia network adapters similar in support to debian-installer netinst floppies? |
| 08:20.44 | Aaron | can someone post me a non-free source? |
| 08:20.49 | Aaron | so i can put it on my source,list |
| 08:20.51 | Aaron | for lenny? |
| 08:21.08 | dutchfish | Aaron: you mean a package like kqemu ? |
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| 08:21.22 | Aaron | dutchfish, nope jre |
| 08:21.23 | Assid | dutchfish: okay so how do you think i should proceed |
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| 08:21.35 | streuner_ | !non-free |
| 08:21.35 | dpkg | from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 08:22.28 | dutchfish | Assid: i would shrink the curent partition, install a minimal with dbootstrap and convert form there |
| 08:22.39 | Aaron | streuner_, but how do i put it in my source.list? |
| 08:22.41 | Assid | eeks |
| 08:22.46 | dutchfish | Assid: but it is not done on production machines |
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| 08:23.37 | dutchfish | Assid: i am afraid console access is needed anyway (better then when you need to do it when it goes wrong) |
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| 08:23.59 | streuner_ | Aaron: read the factoid carefully again |
| 08:24.16 | dutchfish | Assid: best way remote is to let the tech guys install a remote kvm a start from scratch (after backup) |
| 08:24.33 | Aaron | thnx =) |
| 08:25.21 | Assid | dutchfish: would be super difficult.. the only thing i can possibly think of .. is to add 1 more drive there.. and raid the 2 which are idle.. and then somehow add the first one as the source |
| 08:25.25 | Assid | or something to that effect |
| 08:25.30 | dutchfish | Assid: softraid wont bring you more speed anyway |
| 08:25.55 | Assid | dutchfish: dont care about speed.. need to know i got my mirrors up incase of drive failure or so |
| 08:25.57 | Aaron | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ non-free lenny main |
| 08:26.05 | Aaron | something like that streuner_ ? |
| 08:26.08 | Aaron | is that correct? |
| 08:26.10 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:26.18 | streuner_ | dpkg non-free sources |
| 08:26.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 08:26.40 | dutchfish | Assid: yes, but most of the time not the drives but the soft-raid fails (i abonded it totally for production use) |
| 08:27.00 | Assid | oh.. didnjt know that |
| 08:27.11 | dutchfish | Assid: i do now (painfully) |
| 08:27.13 | Aaron | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free lenny main |
| 08:27.15 | Aaron | something like that? |
| 08:27.24 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:27.32 | Aaron | shit |
| 08:27.35 | Aaron | can you help me then streuner_ |
| 08:27.37 | Assid | okay so i shouldnt bother with it ? |
| 08:27.49 | dutchfish | Assid: if you can avoid it, yes |
| 08:28.11 | dutchfish | Assid: next project choose hardware raid |
| 08:28.30 | Assid | dutchfish: i can.. if its more trouble than its worth.. okay.. then i'll just increase my backup frequency to the 2nd drive |
| 08:28.32 | dutchfish | Assid: they come checp these days |
| 08:28.37 | streuner_ | deb http://<TLD>.ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 08:28.39 | dutchfish | s/chcp/cheap |
| 08:28.54 | Assid | dutchfish: its one of those dedicated servers... $50/mo addl :( |
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| 08:29.26 | dutchfish | Assid: ah .. well ... thats not in the package i am afraid ;) |
| 08:29.30 | Aaron | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main main non-free contrib |
| 08:29.33 | Aaron | like that? |
| 08:29.38 | Assid | hehe |
| 08:29.48 | Aaron | like that streuner_ ? |
| 08:30.02 | Assid | okay my next "todo" is openvz, you played with that yet? |
| 08:30.03 | simonrvn | it's ftp.CC.debian.org |
| 08:30.13 | dutchfish | Assid: just have a good backup plan or sync system |
| 08:30.24 | Aaron | how do i put it then simonrvn ? |
| 08:30.37 | dutchfish | Assid: for that an extra drive comes in handy |
| 08:30.45 | Assid | dutchfish: doing snapshots 2 times a week.. gonna increase that 3 times now |
| 08:30.51 | streuner_ | Aaron: true, i just woke up... |
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| 08:31.05 | simonrvn | take out the second main, and put your country code where the CC is (that's what CC means, FYI) |
| 08:31.06 | streuner_ | simonrvn: true, i just woke up... (need a coffee) |
| 08:31.08 | dutchfish | Assid: look also at rsnapshot |
| 08:31.14 | Aaron | thnx =) |
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| 08:31.20 | dutchfish | Assid: save cycles and bandwidth |
| 08:31.29 | somedude | is amd64 the same as x86-64 |
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| 08:31.42 | Assid | dutchfish: last time i check rsync.. it wasnt deleting the files which were deleted on the host |
| 08:31.58 | dutchfish | Assid: exactly! |
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| 08:32.21 | Assid | dutchfish: and i use maildir (qmail) mailing system .. so TONS of tiny little files |
| 08:32.25 | dutchfish | Assid: thats not a bug but a feature |
| 08:32.38 | Assid | dutchfish: oh .. i need them to get rid of the files that arent on the host |
| 08:32.58 | Guerin | no, rsync should delete files which are no longer on the host |
| 08:33.03 | dutchfish | Assid: for that i weed out the old backup dirs (with links) in the snapshot after one week |
| 08:33.15 | simonrvn | streuner_: go have a coffee |
| 08:33.19 | Guerin | rsnapshot automates all this good shit |
| 08:33.23 | dutchfish | Assid: and keep the important stuff for 6 months |
| 08:33.24 | streuner_ | simonrvn: :-P |
| 08:33.42 | simonrvn | i just got back (well, 'bout 20 min ago) from getting my "new" bike rolling. |
| 08:33.47 | dutchfish | !coffee streuner_ |
| 08:33.47 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for streuner_, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 08:33.53 | Guerin | simonrvn: success? |
| 08:34.02 | Assid | dutchfish: hrmm the thing is i dont want the files IF it doesnt exist in the original host |
| 08:34.08 | Guerin | is at the beer end of the day |
| 08:34.16 | simonrvn | yeh, it runs. needs tweaking, still working on the new wheels. |
| 08:34.27 | dutchfish | Assid: look on its manpage, there is an option for that |
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| 08:34.35 | Guerin | simonrvn: built from scrap/scratch? |
| 08:34.37 | streuner_ | good idea (bike)... |
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| 08:34.39 | Assid | dutchfish: yes.. i tried that.. it didnt clean up.. |
| 08:34.48 | simonrvn | headset too loose, rear derailleur is wonky when wet... eh, what do you want for free? ;) |
| 08:35.01 | dutchfish | Assid: on my sights its working like a champ |
| 08:35.02 | Assid | dutchfish: besides.. it took tooo long to start working.. i just went to the old fashioned tarball |
| 08:35.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: nice |
| 08:35.15 | dutchfish | Assid: ok |
| 08:35.26 | Guerin | Assid: did you look at rsnapshot? |
| 08:35.43 | dutchfish | Guerin: read back, already suggested that |
| 08:35.46 | simonrvn | buddy here built it for his other friend, but that other guy never used it, so he gave it to me. i'm building a new rear wheel (sealed cups deal). |
| 08:35.47 | Guerin | oh. |
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| 08:36.10 | Danker | Hi |
| 08:36.10 | dutchfish | !coffee Guerin |
| 08:36.10 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Guerin, courtesy of dutchfish |
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| 08:36.12 | simonrvn | re-tuning the front one... put on my old gear from my dead bike. |
| 08:36.13 | Guerin | it's not every day we get a visitor from Lithuania |
| 08:36.22 | streuner_ | Assid wants somebody who give him professional help about using SW-RAID on a critical prod. server |
| 08:36.28 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 08:36.35 | Danker | Who is from Lithuania? |
| 08:36.44 | Danker | Guerin: |
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| 08:36.49 | Guerin | my brother was about to go to Lithuania to be with his girl ... when she broke up with him by SMS :( |
| 08:37.00 | simonrvn | oh man |
| 08:37.00 | somedude | owned |
| 08:37.02 | Assid | Guerin: OUCH! |
| 08:37.02 | Aaron | !sms? |
| 08:37.02 | dpkg | i heard sms is Stop Making Sense, the greatest concert film ever, starring Talking Heads and directed by Jonathan Demme. Send message to mobile phones via the internet for free. heard good report about gnokii |
| 08:37.05 | Danker | Guerin: Where are you from? |
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| 08:38.02 | Guerin | Danker: Nyu Zillun |
| 08:38.07 | Assid | i actually met this girl from lithuania, sweet little thing.. now shes in germany and heading to norway |
| 08:38.08 | Guerin | yeah, he was pretty gutted |
| 08:38.23 | Guerin | !lt |
| 08:38.23 | dpkg | from memory, lt is Lithuania |
| 08:38.27 | Guerin | Danker: you |
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| 08:38.30 | Danker | x) |
| 08:38.42 | simonrvn | well, byte-compiling emacs-snapshot takes less time now ;). |
| 08:38.47 | sploodge | My NetworkManager won't manage my wired connection; how do I get it to? |
| 08:38.59 | Guerin | fails to believe a Talking Heads concert film could be good, let along The Best Concert Film Evar |
| 08:39.07 | diveli | lol |
| 08:39.08 | Guerin | s/along/alone/ |
| 08:39.27 | simonrvn | some person with an odd taste |
| 08:39.33 | Guerin | sploodge: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org, we hate Network Mangler in here |
| 08:39.40 | sploodge | Heh. |
| 08:39.43 | simonrvn | um, nm that... sounds weird. |
| 08:40.21 | Danker | Ok... When compiling kernel module I get "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory". What is the problem? |
| 08:40.23 | simonrvn | network mangler that only gets in your way |
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| 08:40.59 | Assid | okay my next thing to play with is openvz |
| 08:41.04 | Guerin | Danker: using a patched source when the module expects an unpatched source? |
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| 08:41.15 | zd32nv | 870/quit |
| 08:41.35 | Danker | Using unpatched source when module doesn't care ;) |
| 08:41.41 | Guerin | hm. |
| 08:41.45 | Danker | Hmm |
| 08:41.51 | Danker | I think I know problem |
| 08:41.59 | Guerin | !find mod/modpost |
| 08:42.00 | Danker | I will report if it will be ok :) |
| 08:42.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod/modpost' (1): (/usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.25/scripts/mod/{modpost|modpost.real-lsb-32|modpost.real-lsb-64|...}) in devel/linux-kbuild-2.6.25. |
| 08:43.07 | sploodge | Ah, Network Mangler fixed, heh. |
| 08:43.07 | Guerin | Danker: try installing that package |
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| 08:45.34 | ColgateRaider | I installed lenny today. Initially I installed XFCE and then went onto install Gnome. Now when I installed new gtk themes, no matter which theme I choose the buttons remain the same that of the xfce and just the other colors change. |
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| 08:46.10 | Eulex | do you have the theme engine(s) necessary for the themes? |
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| 08:46.38 | Danker | Solved: needed to do a make in /usr/src/linux for short amount of time until modpost utility is compiled |
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| 08:46.48 | ColgateRaider | I think so. |
| 08:46.51 | ColgateRaider | let me check again |
| 08:48.07 | Eulex | ColgateRaider, also, what theme's are having the problem and where did you get them? |
| 08:48.32 | dave12 | dutchfish |
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| 08:48.42 | Hal9000 | i need the GNU c++ compiler, what is the apckage for it? |
| 08:48.45 | Hal9000 | cant ifgure it out |
| 08:48.54 | streuner | !b-e Hal9000 |
| 08:48.54 | dpkg | Hal9000: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 08:48.59 | dave12 | I sync /home pc1 and /home pc2 and whem I go to pc2 to open firefox dont open |
| 08:49.06 | Guerin | Hal9000: wtf |
| 08:49.10 | dave12 | I restart pc2 and sometimes work others no |
| 08:49.37 | streuner | !+tell Hal9000 -about search |
| 08:49.37 | dpkg | told Hal9000 about search. |
| 08:50.38 | jroes | do you guys remember the package name for the std library docs? i always forget |
| 08:50.39 | Hal9000 | i did search but didnt find, but now i found it is g++ |
| 08:50.41 | Hal9000 | go figure :P |
| 08:50.43 | Hal9000 | bye! |
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| 08:58.07 | ColgateRaider | Eulex: with every gtk theme |
| 08:58.15 | ColgateRaider | and installed every engine I could |
| 08:58.19 | ColgateRaider | still the same |
| 08:58.51 | Eulex | ColgateRaider, what does 'the same' look like? sharp edges? |
| 08:59.01 | ColgateRaider | no Xfce buttons |
| 08:59.13 | ColgateRaider | murrine buttons I guess with every gtk theme |
| 08:59.23 | Danker | I am compiling some rare software from source. Is there any easy way to make .deb package when "jailing" make install? |
| 08:59.32 | Eulex | ColgateRaider, do you perhaps have a ~/.gtkrc-2.0? |
| 09:00.15 | ColgateRaider | yes |
| 09:00.28 | Eulex | does it perhaps specify a theme? |
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| 09:00.39 | Eulex | if it does, this overrides the theme selection in xfce. |
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| 09:01.05 | ColgateRaider | holy crap yeah it specifies some xfce theme |
| 09:01.19 | ColgateRaider | should I delete it Eulex ? |
| 09:01.28 | Eulex | you should |
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| 09:02.01 | Eulex | note that you will get a pure unthemed gtk when you don't have any xsettings daemon running |
| 09:02.08 | ColgateRaider | you are my hero Eulex ! |
| 09:02.10 | ColgateRaider | :D |
| 09:02.11 | Eulex | ie outside kde, gnome and xfce |
| 09:02.15 | Eulex | ColgateRaider, hehe, yw |
| 09:02.59 | ColgateRaider | I was about to go back to Arch |
| 09:03.10 | ColgateRaider | now I need to uninstall gnome and get back to pekwm |
| 09:03.41 | ColgateRaider | apt-get autoremove gnome - should remove everything that was insatlled with apt-get install gnome, right? |
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| 09:04.25 | ColgateRaider | Eulex: ? |
| 09:04.34 | x_link | How do I start ssh? |
| 09:04.55 | x_link | I first thought it was --> /etc/init.d/ssh start. But that doesn't work. |
| 09:04.56 | Eulex | ColgateRaider, not sure, never really used autoremove with an argument |
| 09:05.05 | ColgateRaider | okay |
| 09:05.16 | ColgateRaider | later |
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| 09:05.26 | x_link | Anybody= |
| 09:05.27 | x_link | ? |
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| 09:07.12 | Sling | x_link : locate sshd |
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| 09:07.26 | Eulex | x_link, well, that's correct, but you need an sshd installed |
| 09:07.37 | x_link | Eulex: Ohh okey. Hi btw =) |
| 09:07.41 | x_link | Long time no see ;D |
| 09:07.45 | Eulex | hello :) |
| 09:07.47 | simonrvn | openssh-server |
| 09:08.32 | dtatulea | Hi. Maybe this question is stupid, but I have to give it a shot: If I'm using an up to date lenny, should I be affected by the predictable random number generator vulnerability? |
| 09:09.21 | simonrvn | security issues get rushed in to testing. they don't take the usual ten days. |
| 09:09.37 | Sling | so yes, you're safe |
| 09:09.37 | Eulex | dtatulea, yes, if you are using any key or cert that was generated using a vulnerable openssl. newly generated keys aren't affected. |
| 09:09.43 | simonrvn | plus there's testing security, but i'm not sure if that still works |
| 09:09.52 | Sling | i mean safe if you ran all updates |
| 09:09.57 | Sling | and dont have any vulnerable keys |
| 09:10.15 | Eulex | simonrvn, it does work, I got some security fixes from it yesterday |
| 09:10.22 | simonrvn | yeh, check your keys, delete host keys too if the package didn't get them. |
| 09:10.30 | simonrvn | Eulex: cool, nice to know. |
| 09:10.32 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 09:10.55 | dtatulea | Eulex: Thanks. |
| 09:11.23 | simonrvn | also don't forget any affected pems too ;) |
| 09:11.24 | Eulex | simonrvn, actually, I have 23 packages with 'lenny' in the version |
| 09:11.36 | simonrvn | neat |
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| 09:15.25 | simonrvn | detaches "new x update" |
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| 09:19.47 | simonrvn | re |
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| 09:21.47 | christianp | hi all |
| 09:21.56 | christianp | how can i list all the users that can login in my server? |
| 09:22.17 | slxix | didn't you ask that question yesterday? |
| 09:22.29 | simonrvn | getent passwd |
| 09:22.30 | christianp | slxix, no, sorry |
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| 09:23.01 | christianp | simonrvn, are you answering to me? |
| 09:23.39 | simonrvn | no, i'm typing at the warriors' flag on my wall |
| 09:23.49 | christianp | simonrvn, :) |
| 09:23.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:24.01 | streuner | w, who |
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| 09:24.17 | streuner | for those who are actually logged in |
| 09:24.23 | christianp | simonrvn, all the users listed can login? I need a command to understand |
| 09:24.31 | simonrvn | he said "can login", not "who are" |
| 09:24.35 | streuner | i know |
| 09:24.41 | christianp | if someone create a user to access |
| 09:24.59 | simonrvn | christianp: no, not all |
| 09:25.30 | simonrvn | a good rules of thumb, which won't always be the case, is any user with a uid number of 1000 or more (on debian systems) |
| 09:25.57 | simonrvn | rule* |
| 09:26.07 | christianp | simonrvn, so generally all users with a id>1000 can login into the system? |
| 09:26.33 | simonrvn | >= 1000; there's special cases |
| 09:27.21 | simonrvn | though i don't think they're enabled by default on debian machines. you could check the system users, if you like. |
| 09:27.29 | jcm | Hi, my Promise SATA 300 TX2plus card (sata_promise module) doesn't see my Seagate SATA II HD (cannot negociate transfer rate); kernel 2.6.18. Ideas ? |
| 09:28.07 | christianp | simonrvn, is it correct to display the folders in /home? |
| 09:28.10 | simonrvn | jumper on the drive to switch to sata 1? |
| 09:28.23 | simonrvn | christianp: directories, for what? |
| 09:28.36 | christianp | every user has a home folder, isn't it? |
| 09:28.53 | simonrvn | home directory, yes, and no, not always in /home |
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| 09:28.59 | christianp | ah, ok |
| 09:29.07 | Eulex | christianp, I believe home directories aren't deleted when you remove a user. |
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| 09:29.21 | simonrvn | that's configurable ;) |
| 09:29.29 | jcm | simonrvn: dmesg pasted here: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/13594 ; shouldn't the HD downgrade graciously to SATA I if requested ? |
| 09:29.31 | christianp | so the uid number can be the only way? |
| 09:29.35 | simonrvn | /etc/deluser.conf |
| 09:30.03 | simonrvn | jcm: one would expect it to, but you know, peecee hardware doesn't always respect specs. |
| 09:30.04 | Eulex | christianp, the uid number isn't really what does it, but it's the convention |
| 09:30.04 | abusado | \amethyst can i PM you?iptables -I INPUT -s 133.68.0.0/8 -j DROP <--- is this correct? |
| 09:30.08 | abusado | iptables -I INPUT -s 133.68.0.0/8 -j DROP <--- is this correct? |
| 09:30.24 | simonrvn | exactly, it's a rule of thumb, nothing more. |
| 09:30.40 | Eulex | christianp, what _really_ does make a user able to log in is that it (1) has a valid shell (2) has a password set |
| 09:30.42 | jcm | simonrvn: the switch you speak of xould be on the card ? it's selled as SATA II... |
| 09:30.57 | simonrvn | (for those that don't understand the epersion, it means, "general guideline") |
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| 09:31.30 | simonrvn | jcm: "sold"; oh ok. no, on the drive, but nm that, but you could try, could be a red herring though. |
| 09:31.40 | christianp | ok, thanks simonrvn, Eulex |
| 09:31.51 | Eulex | christianp, you can examine /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow for this. |
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| 09:32.03 | simonrvn | eek, "expression", not "epersion" |
| 09:32.41 | simonrvn | !dict epersion |
| 09:32.42 | dpkg | could not find definition for epersion |
| 09:32.47 | jcm | simonrvn: do you know what"ata1.00: qc timeout (cmd 0xef)" means ? |
| 09:32.52 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:33.05 | simonrvn | stick it in google, see what spits out. |
| 09:33.06 | Eulex | heh, I thought it was a word I did not understand |
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| 09:34.04 | simonrvn | no, just a silly typo that was almost a word. now i gotta make up a definition for it ;p |
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| 09:38.01 | ozzloy | what's a good wiki to install on my server? |
| 09:38.05 | ozzloy | easy to install |
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| 09:38.29 | ozzloy | and set up. for someone who knows jack about wiki maintenance |
| 09:38.45 | simonrvn | if it's packaged, it's easy to install ;). |
| 09:39.05 | simonrvn | i personally like twiki and mediawiki |
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| 09:42.06 | colthe | Good afternoon, every body! |
| 09:42.39 | colthe | Just for a test pls respond me, Thx. |
| 09:42.44 | simonrvn | it's 5:42 here. afternoon isn't for a while ;). |
| 09:43.21 | colthe | Ok, i am aware, thank you. |
| 09:43.28 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 09:46.08 | alexandr` | I am trying to set up ssh to connect to my home machine via my router. When I ssh home, I get this message in the log: May 31 11:41:10 home kernel: martian source 192.168.1.20 from 192.168.1.20, on dev wlan0 |
| 09:46.35 | alexandr` | What does it mean ? (I am pretty sure few martian are around atm) |
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| 09:46.58 | simonrvn | you could turn logging martians off |
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| 09:47.07 | simonrvn | see /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:48.32 | alexandr` | simonrvn: thanks. |
| 09:50.11 | Eulex | alexandr`, http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-linux/2003-05/0002.html |
| 09:50.14 | enri | bye |
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| 09:50.39 | colthe | Hi simonrvn, I encountered a situation with Deb40r3+apache or apache2, free command display cached expended but it can't release until server down. now i manual release it, do you have any idea with it? |
| 09:51.29 | alexandr` | Eulex: thanks for the link |
| 09:51.44 | simonrvn | and you're telling me this why? |
| 09:51.51 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 09:51.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:53.13 | colthe | Ok ,i see, thank you very much |
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| 09:54.19 | simonrvn | colthe: i have no idea. i'd ask in #apache |
| 09:54.37 | simonrvn | you may want to clarify the issue too. |
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| 09:55.20 | alexandr` | simonrvn, Eulex: would that drop the packet ? When I "ssh 192.168.1.20" I can connect, but when I "ssh MyRouterWanIp", it doesn't. |
| 09:55.31 | alexandr` | and I can't find log telling me why ? |
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| 09:56.08 | alexandr` | the martian message comes when I connect via my router |
| 09:56.59 | beardy | alexandr`: Most home "routers" will not let you connect to its external interface, from the inside. |
| 09:57.52 | liable | outside |
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| 09:57.59 | jakub | yes |
| 09:58.01 | liable | ? |
| 09:58.01 | beardy | No. |
| 09:58.11 | jakub | i will laugh |
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| 09:58.33 | jakub | if there will be ipv6, most home routers will must be putted into the trash |
| 09:58.37 | alexandr` | beardy: yes but that one does, otherwise I wouldn't have any messages. So the routing of port 22 to my machine works |
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| 09:59.40 | colthe | I get the hint by google, it says kernel 2.6 and apache isn't compatible. if it is true may be i need to change debian3.0 |
| 09:59.45 | beardy | jakub: There already is. And there will be IPv4 for as long as we live. |
| 10:00.01 | jakub | i think no |
| 10:00.05 | jakub | IPv4 will be dead |
| 10:00.33 | beardy | Go play Duke Nukem Forever. |
| 10:00.42 | jakub | when most of the ISPs change to the ipv6, there won`t be reason to stay with ipv6 :) |
| 10:00.42 | liable | is anyone getting deprecated warning for various build/install commands? |
| 10:01.08 | liable | i cant track whats causeing it, and i cant do a dist-upgrade, too much bandwidth.. |
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| 10:02.22 | liable | hmm, maybe two unrelated warning |
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| 10:04.50 | colthe | It's time for dinner, bye. |
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| 10:07.31 | Aaron | hey i have compiled my kernel but how do i put my own name to the Kernel? |
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| 10:07.33 | Aaron | any ideas? |
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| 10:08.08 | PXR__ | Aaron, with make-kpkg? |
| 10:08.17 | Aaron | PXR__, can you give me the command please? |
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| 10:09.03 | PXR__ | Aaron, make-kpkg kernel_image --append-to-version foo |
| 10:09.40 | Eulex | (before compiling) |
| 10:10.28 | PXR__ | After compiling you can't |
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| 10:14.05 | drizzd_ | hi, I have a script, which executes a setuid root command (namely schroot). If it's in ~/bin, it fails with schroot: not found. If it's in /usr/local/bin, it works. What's up with that? |
| 10:15.36 | liable | is ~/bin in roots path? |
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| 10:16.07 | liable | though i am not sure thats needed.. |
| 10:16.28 | drizzd_ | umh, no. but maybe schroot isn't... |
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| 10:18.09 | drizzd_ | but it's in /usr/bin. Maybe I wasn't very clear. My script is in ~/bin, not schroot. |
| 10:19.08 | drizzd_ | I just have ~/bin/mychroot, which does exec schroot |
| 10:19.25 | drizzd_ | even if I give the path to schroot, it just says /usr/bin/schroot: No such file or directory |
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| 10:20.21 | alexandr` | I ssh using my ip, but not using my router ip, even if I know that port 22 is forwarded to my machine. What did I get wrong ? |
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| 10:21.03 | alexandr` | to test I dropped all firewall rules. |
| 10:21.41 | drizzd_ | alexandr`: what are you talking about? |
| 10:22.15 | alexandr` | drizzd_: connecting to my home machine via ssh |
| 10:22.45 | liable | alexandr`: of courrse you need your routers ip |
| 10:22.53 | liable | alexandr`: were you using the internal ip? |
| 10:24.17 | alexandr` | liable: I got it, when I ssh myrouterip I get this message on my machine: |
| 10:24.22 | alexandr` | martian source 192.168.1.20 from 192.168.1.20, on dev wlan0 |
| 10:24.45 | alexandr` | liable: no, using the router ip |
| 10:24.52 | liable | alexandr`: are you using ssh from inside the lan or outside? |
| 10:24.58 | alexandr` | liable: inside |
| 10:25.14 | alexandr` | but using the outside router ip |
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| 10:26.03 | liable | alexandr`: use the lan address if you are inside the lan |
| 10:26.33 | drizzd_ | to do it from inside you need source nat, otherwise the target machine will respond directly to your request, without going over the router, which will confuse ssh, which you told to talk to the router. |
| 10:26.44 | alexandr` | liable: it works with the lan address. I am trying to set it up so when I connect from outside it also works. |
| 10:27.32 | tip_1 | does nvidia restricted drivers support 640x480 ratio?? i cant see bottom part |
| 10:27.50 | tip_1 | on widescreen |
| 10:27.59 | tip_1 | 15.4" |
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| 10:28.35 | alexandr` | drizzd_: ok, thanks |
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| 10:36.12 | kantor | Hi, I was wondering if it's a good idea to create a Linux program that can make full backup of the hard disk partitions, and can restore them (master boot record and all the primary, extended . . . partition records) if you messed up your hard drive. Would that be useful ? |
| 10:36.48 | wols | it's already been done |
| 10:37.02 | wols | several times |
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| 10:56.22 | Erik1_ | is there a list of all the packages I have installed on my system ? |
| 10:56.57 | Tapout | I'm working with postgresql on debian... I need to setup -E latin1 and --locale=C .... when it comes to initdb. I manually ran initdb, however I'm not matching what debian runs and my config files get posted elsewhere. Anyone know the way to install postgresql thru aptitude and control initdb |
| 10:57.01 | philsf | Erik1_: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 10:57.09 | philsf | Erik1_: or dpkg --get-selections |
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| 11:00.00 | Erik1_ | thnx |
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| 11:10.30 | Tapout | how do you control the install process with aptitude ? I want to control/pass values to 'initdb' when it's install |
| 11:10.32 | Tapout | installing |
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| 11:11.21 | philsf | you can use dpkg-reconfigure -plow apckage, if you're not satisfied with the way aptitude installed |
| 11:11.27 | philsf | Tapout: ^^ |
| 11:11.53 | philsf | Tapout: alternatively, you can set apt's config to ask low priority questions |
| 11:12.38 | philsf | (assuming what you need is already in the script) |
| 11:12.50 | Tapout | initdb gets executed somewhere along the way |
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| 11:13.31 | Tapout | Philsf, how do you get apt's config to ask low priority questions? |
| 11:14.13 | philsf | man apt.conf |
| 11:14.31 | philsf | don't know the exact key to modify |
| 11:15.18 | Tapout | thx |
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| 11:15.27 | Tapout | any lead is great, i just gotta find a lead and i'll research it.. thx |
| 11:15.39 | meff | sure |
| 11:15.44 | meff | dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf |
| 11:16.03 | meff | choose low |
| 11:16.04 | meff | there ya go. |
| 11:17.25 | philsf | good to know |
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| 11:18.28 | Tapout | meff, thanks for that.. still didn't let me configure initdb :) ... |
| 11:18.48 | Tapout | I'm trying to pass; --locale=C -E latin1 ... for initdb's when installing postgresql |
| 11:19.31 | philsf | Tapout: do you really neeed it to be passed on package installation? can't you do it afterwards? |
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| 11:20.57 | Tapout | Philfs, initdb on the command line installs the configs into the main directory, but when initdb is run from aptitude.. it's in /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/* |
| 11:21.02 | wols | Tapout: quick+dirty, edit the debconf scripts |
| 11:21.38 | Tapout | wols, aptitude --download-only postgresql-8.3 .. find it and then edit it? |
| 11:21.43 | wols | or, set LC_ALL=C before you configure/install postgres |
| 11:22.08 | Tapout | wols, I did that but I get 'SQL_ASCII' .. instead of having latin1 |
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| 11:22.42 | Tapout | I wanna have Latin1, i'm getting warnings from pgadmin that says it's ascii 7 instead of 8 bit... fix is to use latin1 supposedly |
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| 11:24.02 | philsf | Tapout: doesn't initdb have a parameter to set config-dir? |
| 11:26.26 | Tapout | Philfs, I may just re-initdb .. remove those configs and hope for the best .. that the default config's will work |
| 11:26.29 | Tapout | that's what I will try |
| 11:26.41 | Tapout | but i thought this would have been a common problem with an easy solution |
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| 11:30.04 | Tapout | hrm, i wonder if i .. alias the initdb to include -v or -D or whatever flag is verbosity/debugging |
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| 11:39.29 | drizzd_ | can I make 'at' tell me the job's command name? Or do you guys know a more versatile batch queue daemon? |
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| 11:45.17 | dave12 | do you know rsync? |
| 11:46.53 | xenonex | how to determine why my debian router don't pass udp traffic? it don't blocked by iptables, but don't pass anyway |
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| 11:53.56 | slxix | xenonex: from what external ip to what internal ip? |
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| 11:58.04 | xenonex | 192.168.1.1 -> [192.168.254.254 box 10.10.10.10] -> 10.10.10.11 |
| 11:58.20 | xenonex | whithout nat |
| 11:58.41 | xenonex | # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 11:58.41 | xenonex | 1 |
| 11:59.05 | slxix | tcp makes it fine? |
| 11:59.06 | xenonex | icmp ping pass normally |
| 11:59.30 | xenonex | tcp pass fine |
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| 12:01.56 | slxix | have you ran tcpdump on them to verify? |
| 12:02.17 | xenonex | yes |
| 12:02.39 | xenonex | on eth0 (192.168.254.254) i see incoming udp packets |
| 12:02.57 | xenonex | but on outgoing eth1 10.10.10.10 nothing |
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| 12:08.54 | Tapout | hey wols/philsf/meff, I figured it out. To configure it after 'properly'... do this: pg_dropcluster 8.3 main --stop && pg_createcluster 8.3 main --locale=C --encoding=latin1 |
| 12:09.03 | Tapout | boom, worked flawlessly, moved the configs properly and what not... :) |
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| 12:12.16 | slxix | xenonex: i'm not sure what to look at next. |
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| 12:12.43 | slxix | my only suggestion is adding a iptables rule to explicity allow the udp from one interface to the other. |
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| 12:14.50 | xenonex | thanks, i'l try it |
| 12:15.26 | slxix | oh, and seek advice from someone smarter than me. :) |
| 12:15.48 | philsf | xenonex: have you tried logging all UDP packets ? |
| 12:16.21 | xenonex | no |
| 12:16.29 | dutchfish | !wireshark |
| 12:16.29 | dpkg | network protocol analyzer formerly known as ethereal - http://wireshark.org |
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| 12:20.11 | geronimo89 | hello |
| 12:20.16 | slxix | the web is mind numbing like my tv. |
| 12:20.42 | geronimo89 | does anyone know how I can toggle the speed of my thinkpad processor? it's on 0.6 mhz and I want it to run 1.6 as it should |
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| 12:21.34 | dutchfish | geronimo89: cpufrequtils you mean? |
| 12:21.43 | n0ah | hmm |
| 12:21.51 | dutchfish | geronimo89: speedstepping |
| 12:21.52 | psilocybin | hi. |
| 12:22.03 | n0ah | i |
| 12:22.16 | n0ah | oh, yo, hey, hello |
| 12:22.20 | slxix | geronimo89: have you read http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki ? |
| 12:22.22 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: can't i automate this? |
| 12:22.30 | dutchfish | geronimo89: sure |
| 12:22.37 | FabParma | hi, i installed the last debian-kde cd. at boot grub offers "single user mode" what is for thjis option? thank You for answering |
| 12:22.47 | geronimo89 | slxix: i'll have a look |
| 12:22.59 | n0ah | FabParma: it's a different runlevel |
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| 12:23.09 | cahoot | geronimo89: http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Lenny_on_Thinkpad_T61 - might be of use too |
| 12:23.15 | FabParma | n0ah: which one? |
| 12:23.18 | psilocybin | can you install debian stable with newer kernel than one offered by stable? |
| 12:23.23 | n0ah | FabParma: single user |
| 12:23.41 | FabParma | n0ah: runlevel 4? |
| 12:23.45 | psilocybin | i mean, the stable doesn't have driver for my harddisk, but new kernel has. |
| 12:23.52 | n0ah | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?runlevel+8 |
| 12:23.56 | Eulex | !tell psilocybin about kmuto |
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| 12:24.10 | dutchfish | !tell psilocybin about backports |
| 12:24.10 | n0ah | err wrong manpage |
| 12:24.26 | liable | !etch and a half |
| 12:24.27 | n0ah | man init |
| 12:24.28 | n0ah | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?init+8 |
| 12:24.35 | liable | sheet |
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| 12:24.46 | Eulex | dutchfish, kinda hard to install debian on a computer which has an ide/sata chipset the default kernel doesn't support... |
| 12:25.08 | Eulex | using the official installer, that is |
| 12:25.17 | FabParma | n0ah: what can i do at booting as "single user mode"? |
| 12:25.17 | dutchfish | Eulex: nah, i use kmuto ofr that |
| 12:25.21 | n0ah | FabParma: it doesn't setup ghettys for multiple user consoles |
| 12:25.25 | dutchfish | s/ofr/for |
| 12:25.32 | Eulex | right |
| 12:25.45 | FabParma | n0ah: so it like the runlevel 1 |
| 12:25.51 | psilocybin | ah, thx lots! :D |
| 12:26.12 | n0ah | FabParma: which one is that again? |
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| 12:26.16 | Eulex | psilocybin, kmuto provides installers with newer kernels |
| 12:26.27 | dutchfish | !kmuto |
| 12:26.27 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:26.28 | psilocybin | yes :) ok. i'll download. |
| 12:26.33 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 12:27.29 | FabParma | n0ah: how can i delete that entry in grub menu? it is for a beginner and i dont want make him confuse |
| 12:27.41 | Eulex | dpkg, kmuto =~ s/\) /\) installers / |
| 12:27.42 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '\) ', Eulex |
| 12:27.55 | liable | FabParma: if its a debian kernel, just remove that kernel with apt-get |
| 12:27.55 | Eulex | dpkg, kmuto =~ s/) /) installers / |
| 12:27.55 | dpkg | OK, Eulex |
| 12:27.58 | Eulex | !kmuto |
| 12:27.58 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:28.01 | n0ah | FabParma: yea i looked it up runlevel 1 is single user on most systems |
| 12:28.07 | Eulex | yay |
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| 12:28.16 | bAndie91 | hi all |
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| 12:28.35 | dutchfish | !chears Eulex |
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| 12:28.46 | dury | I want to thank to stew & wols 'cause they helped and supported me to change the root pwd... I did successfully... thanks :) |
| 12:28.46 | bAndie91 | is available the 1.09 gammu version 4 debian? |
| 12:28.48 | n0ah | FabParma: you edit the menu.lst file |
| 12:28.53 | n0ah | in /boot/grub |
| 12:28.59 | bAndie91 | 1.0 doesnot works |
| 12:29.04 | bAndie91 | 1.08 doesnot works |
| 12:29.18 | Eulex | lenny and sid has 1.20 |
| 12:29.28 | Eulex | !tell bAndie91 about ssb |
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| 12:29.43 | FabParma | n0ah: if i delete that entry in menu.lst, it is possible that i cant boot the default debian? |
| 12:29.45 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: is there a simple command to change my cpu speed on the fly, without using the gnome applet? |
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| 12:30.03 | dury | I really appreciate it... and now I know how to do it |
| 12:30.04 | n0ah | FabParma: yes |
| 12:30.13 | bAndie91 | i use etch |
| 12:30.31 | Eulex | geronimo89, install cpufrequtils. make it load the userspace governor. |
| 12:30.39 | FabParma | n0ah: too dangerous, ill ask to grub channel. thank You |
| 12:30.40 | Eulex | geronimo89, then use cpufreq-set |
| 12:30.42 | psilocybin | etchandhalf is not ready yet? must use kmuto? |
| 12:30.48 | dutchfish | geronimo89: cpufreq-set -g ondemand or use the cpufre-selector command |
| 12:30.54 | n0ah | FabParma: it's just there so you don't have to go google and figure out the grub command to type in if you forget your root password or something |
| 12:31.01 | dutchfish | s/cpufre/cpufreq |
| 12:31.12 | n0ah | FabParma: sure :) |
| 12:31.22 | n0ah | but this is all you'd have to do |
| 12:31.30 | n0ah | root (disk,slice) |
| 12:31.36 | Eulex | geronimo89, also, yeah, if you just want it to adjust to the current cpu load, use the ondemand governor |
| 12:31.40 | n0ah | kernel=<kernel> root=<root device> init=/bin/bash |
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| 12:31.46 | n0ah | initrd=<initrd image> |
| 12:31.47 | n0ah | boot |
| 12:31.53 | Eulex | geronimo89, I'd recommend selecting the ondemand governor by editing /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils |
| 12:31.58 | geronimo89 | Eulex: so i don't have to care at all or something? |
| 12:32.09 | dury | bbl |
| 12:32.13 | Eulex | geronimo89, yes, it'll adjust automatically and instantly |
| 12:32.13 | dury | byee |
| 12:32.32 | n0ah | init=/bin/bash tells init (the first process to start on a linux system) not to spawn ghettys and not to enter runlevel 2 |
| 12:32.34 | Eulex | I don't understand why they moved the settings from /etc/default/cpufrequtils to the init script at /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils anyway |
| 12:32.37 | dutchfish | Eulex: wrong, its in /etc/default |
| 12:32.40 | n0ah | it simply tells the init process to execute a shell |
| 12:32.44 | n0ah | so you end up with a shell |
| 12:32.45 | Eulex | dutchfish, ah, may be in stable |
| 12:32.48 | n0ah | without entering a password :) |
| 12:32.51 | Eulex | but not in lenny or newer. |
| 12:32.51 | n0ah | and it's a root shell |
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| 12:33.22 | dutchfish | Eulex: geronimo89 but its all in the manpages well documented |
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| 12:34.09 | geronimo89 | dutchfish, Eulex: Sorry, I'm not used to be caring about that. had no clue before I asked, thanks you two |
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| 12:34.57 | dutchfish | geronimo89: you can even config min and max for the ondemand shedule |
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| 12:36.06 | n0ah | FabParma: thoes are the commands you would enter in the grub command console when it shows, you'd press 'c' to get to that |
| 12:36.21 | n0ah | FabParma: so even if you delete the entry, you can still access single user mode just by googling the commands |
| 12:36.24 | n0ah | if you ever need it |
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| 12:36.52 | n0ah | of course you'll want to symlink your kernel to /vmlinuz and your initrd to /initrd.img |
| 12:37.03 | n0ah | or else you probably won't remember the kernel version :P |
| 12:37.08 | FabParma | n0ah: thanks, its what i was thinking |
| 12:37.22 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: it's telling me, that userspace governor is not available, do I have to load a kernel module? |
| 12:37.24 | n0ah | FabParma: what is? |
| 12:37.33 | Eulex | geronimo89, you do. |
| 12:37.35 | dutchfish | geronimo89: yup |
| 12:37.44 | Eulex | geronimo89, put it in /etc/modules |
| 12:37.58 | dutchfish | geronimo89: add it to your /etc/modules list |
| 12:38.01 | dutchfish | :) |
| 12:38.04 | Eulex | echo |
| 12:38.13 | Eulex | ;) |
| 12:38.19 | dutchfish | !ping |
| 12:38.19 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:38.27 | n0ah | !gay |
| 12:38.27 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 12:38.29 | n0ah | dong |
| 12:38.49 | geronimo89 | I'm lost about all this |
| 12:38.52 | geronimo89 | Oo |
| 12:38.56 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
| 12:38.56 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:39.03 | geronimo89 | !speedstepping |
| 12:39.06 | geronimo89 | :> |
| 12:39.22 | Eulex | !cpufreq |
| 12:39.22 | dpkg | methinks cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 12:39.28 | n0ah | dpkg is bisexual! |
| 12:39.28 | dpkg | n0ah: i haven't a clue |
| 12:39.30 | n0ah | *cuddles with dpkg* |
| 12:39.33 | Eulex | hah, wow |
| 12:39.40 | Eulex | !gender |
| 12:39.40 | dpkg | I'm not sure |
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| 12:39.43 | dutchfish | cpufreq |
| 12:39.44 | n0ah | i bought cuddler.org today i've been using it on efnet |
| 12:39.51 | n0ah | and cuddlewithscorpions.com |
| 12:39.52 | dutchfish | !cpufreq |
| 12:39.52 | dpkg | well, cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 12:40.05 | liable | um, whats with the bot abuse? |
| 12:40.15 | n0ah | huggies dpkg |
| 12:40.30 | n0ah | that's me on the front of cuddler.org |
| 12:40.31 | n0ah | :P |
| 12:40.51 | n0ah | aren't i cutteeee |
| 12:40.52 | n0ah | heeee |
| 12:41.15 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: the link is broken |
| 12:41.40 | Eulex | geronimo89, the info in that factoid is irrelevant |
| 12:41.43 | Eulex | !factinfo cpufreq |
| 12:41.43 | dpkg | cpufreq -- created by ghakko <~ian@3c9d9025fadf.ssl.walledcity.de> at Sun Dec 14 11:55:32 2003 (1630 days); it has been requested 78 times, last by dutchfish, 1m 51s ago. |
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| 12:42.09 | Eulex | see, 5 years old. |
| 12:42.15 | geronimo89 | okay, sorry |
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| 12:45.20 | dutchfish | geronimo89: roughly this: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-configure-cpufreqd |
| 12:46.33 | dutchfish | geronimo89: for centrino there are is a kernelpatch too |
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| 12:48.54 | n0ah | OpenBSD n0ah.org 4.3 GENERIC#1598 sparc64 |
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| 12:49.54 | dutchfish | i want to know if it is already possible to get 3d support for latest xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (running on lenny with 2.6.25-4 and mesa working)? |
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| 12:51.20 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: hmm, seems like I need this kernel module because the grep doesn't give me any results |
| 12:51.51 | dutchfish | geronimo89: what kernel? |
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| 12:52.27 | geronimo89 | [Linux 2.6.21.3-slh-smp-4 i686 /sidux kernel |
| 12:53.21 | dutchfish | geronimo89: at the top of my head sidux has not set this kernel option (at least on my last try) i use for that mostly vanillas or stock debian kernels |
| 12:53.56 | geronimo89 | do I have to get the module or get a new kernel? I'm not into kernels |
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| 12:54.18 | dutchfish | geronimo89: hold a sec i douoble check |
| 12:54.28 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: ok |
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| 12:56.08 | dutchfish | geronimo89: cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep CONFIG_CPU_ ? |
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| 12:56.59 | liable | !uuco dav7 |
| 12:57.04 | liable | erm |
| 12:57.17 | liable | !uuoc |
| 12:57.17 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 12:57.24 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 12:57.24 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 12:57.33 | dutchfish | liable: realized that to late ;) |
| 12:57.41 | liable | :P |
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| 12:59.30 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: did you get the query? |
| 12:59.50 | dutchfish | geronimo89: oh sorry yes, expected a pastebin link |
| 13:00.06 | liable | !private |
| 13:00.06 | dpkg | NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 13:00.11 | dutchfish | geronimo89: your kernel is fine |
| 13:00.26 | Dewi | liable: I normally grep that way simply because it's easier to change the pattern |
| 13:00.36 | Dewi | liable: it's also a more versatile design generally |
| 13:00.45 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: that's a good thing I guess |
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| 13:01.03 | Dewi | liable: but I guess minimizing everything is a shell-fan's hobby |
| 13:01.16 | liable | Dewi: why is easier to change the pattern? and i am far from a shell fan |
| 13:01.20 | dutchfish | geronimo89: but CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=y is normally m |
| 13:01.24 | Eulex | !sidux |
| 13:01.24 | dpkg | somebody said sidux was <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
| 13:01.49 | dutchfish | geronimo89: but that should not interfear i asume |
| 13:01.52 | Dewi | liable: I don't mean you, I mean the guy in the factoid. And because: cat file | grep 'pattern' has the pattern at the end where I can up,enter,change it |
| 13:02.10 | FabParma | how can i manage the volume in the system try? at the moment i hav'nt sound icons. im using kde |
| 13:02.11 | liable | Dewi: why cant you do that in a plain grep? |
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| 13:02.40 | Dewi | liable: because grep -options 'patern' /my/filesystem/is/terribly/complicated/and/I/can't/go/back/to/my/pattern/easily |
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| 13:02.55 | ^Optimus^ | I'm using putty, is there a way to put all text from your document opened in nano and copy it? |
| 13:02.56 | Dewi | liable: actually this is probably an excellent time to ask... is there a ^W that doesn't erase stuff? |
| 13:02.59 | Dewi | grins |
| 13:03.10 | FabParma | !sound |
| 13:03.10 | dpkg | i heard sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 13:03.38 | FabParma | !audio |
| 13:03.38 | dpkg | sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 13:03.41 | liable | Dewi: whats a ^W mean? |
| 13:03.47 | dutchfish | Dewi: i thought there was a save as(s) |
| 13:03.48 | liable | FabParma: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 13:04.32 | Dewi | dutchfish: ^W isn't save in anything I can think of |
| 13:04.33 | liable | oh, bash thing |
| 13:04.43 | dutchfish | oops |
| 13:04.45 | Dewi | liable: yeah, moving the cursor back by word without erasing |
| 13:05.07 | liable | Dewi: i'm not a bash expert. |
| 13:05.08 | Dewi | dutchfish: although I will say that using ^W to erase a word, in a web browser, has cost me a fair bit of time recently |
| 13:05.14 | dutchfish | [ins] [arrows left] |
| 13:05.31 | Dewi | dutchfish: what's ins? |
| 13:05.41 | Dewi | insert just prints nasty characters in my terminal |
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| 13:06.06 | Eulex | ctrl-left/right works fine here |
| 13:06.06 | dutchfish | Dewi: on console prompt: [insert key] [arrow left] [arrow left] etc |
| 13:06.30 | Eulex | dutchfish, doesn't work here either |
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| 13:06.38 | Dewi | dutchfish: I don't normally give linux a keyboard |
| 13:06.39 | dutchfish | Eulex: debian console? |
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| 13:06.47 | Eulex | xterm |
| 13:06.54 | dutchfish | ah |
| 13:06.56 | Dewi | Eulex: ctrl-left,right doesn't work for me in putty/screen/bash |
| 13:07.03 | vjoe | helloooooooooo |
| 13:07.24 | Eulex | works in screen and bash in xterm here |
| 13:07.26 | Dewi | Eulex: and prints strange chars in xterm |
| 13:07.38 | dutchfish | weird |
| 13:07.45 | dutchfish | for me it works |
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| 13:07.55 | Dewi | although I should mention it's XMing not xorg |
| 13:08.00 | liable | ^left and right works for me |
| 13:08.13 | dutchfish | wonders, and grabs his head |
| 13:08.27 | Dewi | I wonder how I'd go about solving those kinds of keyboard mapping difference |
| 13:08.30 | Dewi | that's a jungle, that stuff |
| 13:08.43 | Dewi | I'm just glad backspace works reliably nowadays |
| 13:09.00 | dutchfish | Dewi: use a debian workstation and throw away 'that other os and putty' |
| 13:09.26 | Dewi | dutchfish: why limit myself? |
| 13:09.35 | Eulex | dutchfish, neither ctrl-left/right nor ins left worked in a linux tty, if that's what you were trying in |
| 13:09.42 | dutchfish | hides in the bushes |
| 13:10.16 | dutchfish | Eulex: yes, but my [ins] [arrow left] works |
| 13:10.17 | Eulex | ctrl-left/right worked fine in a vte-based terminal too |
| 13:10.53 | liable | works ok in konsole for me, but not in tty1 |
| 13:10.53 | dutchfish | mmm ... still confusing i agree |
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| 13:12.51 | dutchfish | sighs it doesnt work in xens virtual consoles to guests .... mmmm |
| 13:13.10 | mohbana | is debian more bledding-edge than ubunut, i can't stand ubuntu's policy about not upgrading a package until the next release |
| 13:13.22 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: if my kernel is fine, why does grep not give me the wanted results? |
| 13:13.25 | hark | what does ^left/right do anyway? |
| 13:13.27 | liable | hehe |
| 13:13.34 | Dewi | mohbana: no, it's slower, unless you move to testing |
| 13:13.46 | slxix | unstable is bleeding edge :) |
| 13:13.50 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: when I'm asking lsmod |
| 13:13.55 | dutchfish | geronimo89: you need to load the aprop. modules |
| 13:14.01 | Eulex | hark, move left/right a word at a time |
| 13:14.11 | Eulex | geronimo89, man modprobe |
| 13:14.23 | mohbana | Dewi: so packages are not upgraded until next release? |
| 13:14.34 | Eulex | mohbana, no. |
| 13:14.40 | Dewi | mohbana: no, that's what a release is |
| 13:15.03 | mohbana | so for instance if mercurial is a 9 |
| 13:15.04 | Dewi | mohbana: if stuff was being updated all the time there'd be no need to call something a release |
| 13:15.28 | hark | Eulex: in bash? like M-b? |
| 13:15.32 | mohbana | mistake i meant 9.5 then 1.0 comes out later on, they won't upgrade it?? |
| 13:16.08 | Eulex | hark, M-b only gives â here |
| 13:16.17 | dutchfish | !tell mohbana about whydebian |
| 13:16.30 | Eulex | mohbana, no. |
| 13:17.06 | Dewi | hark: omg, that actually works for me |
| 13:17.12 | Dewi | hark: these guys kept listing things that didn't work |
| 13:17.19 | Dewi | hark: thanks... I've needed to know that for years |
| 13:17.42 | Dewi | liable: now I can avoid using cat with grep! |
| 13:17.43 | Dewi | grins |
| 13:17.50 | Eulex | hark, worked in a tty here |
| 13:18.07 | Dewi | pronounces hark's solution the most generic |
| 13:18.14 | Eulex | no |
| 13:18.20 | Eulex | doesn't work in xterm here |
| 13:18.26 | Dewi | oh, I spoke too soon |
| 13:18.27 | hark | Dewi: heh, it's just emacs keybindings :) |
| 13:18.28 | Dewi | no xterms |
| 13:18.36 | dutchfish | doesnt work in xen console guest |
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| 13:19.03 | Dewi | hark: I've never used emacs because it wasn't properly available for windows. But it is now, so this week I installed it, and I do need to give it a try sometime |
| 13:19.15 | Juventino | guys, how can i fetch a file from windows file sharing on debian? |
| 13:19.29 | dutchfish | smbclient |
| 13:19.33 | hark | Dewi: maybe try with setting meta sends escape in xterm |
| 13:19.41 | Dewi | Juventino: smbclient is like an ftp client for SMB/CIFS, or you can mount the drive with smbfs |
| 13:20.10 | Dewi | hark: I rarely used xterms ,but it sounds like a good setting to add |
| 13:20.15 | Dewi | hark: what else would meta send? |
| 13:20.15 | Juventino | so i should download smbfs? |
| 13:20.36 | Dewi | Juventino: depends if you just want to connect up and grab a file, or actually map/mount a remote drive |
| 13:20.48 | mohbana | is Fedora the same? |
| 13:20.48 | dutchfish | Juventino: i think ... aptitude install smbclient |
| 13:20.51 | Dewi | Juventino: I normally use smbfs |
| 13:20.59 | Juventino | well i'll try smbfs |
| 13:21.02 | Juventino | see how it goes |
| 13:21.03 | Juventino | thnx |
| 13:21.24 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: I've loaded the ondemand module I guess, will it now scale after the needs of my system? |
| 13:21.26 | zythmer | Dewi: XEmacs has been available on Windows for years. |
| 13:21.32 | Dewi | zythmer: not properly |
| 13:21.45 | Eulex | mohbana, ask them? |
| 13:21.57 | zythmer | Dewi: http://ftp.xemacs.org/binaries/win32/InnoSetup/ Since at least 2006 |
| 13:22.06 | Eulex | geronimo89, if you have selected it as governor, it will |
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| 13:22.18 | Dewi | zythmer: hmm, what's xemacs? |
| 13:22.22 | dutchfish | geronimo89: yes it should. You can check that to run for example powertop or use cpu-freq-info |
| 13:22.27 | Dewi | zythmer: is it actually separate from emacs? |
| 13:22.46 | zythmer | Dewi: http://www.xemacs.org/About/XEmacsVsGNUemacs.html |
| 13:22.51 | Dewi | zythmer: emacs doesn't have a windows installer even now, you unzip it and then run a little tool to add registry entries |
| 13:23.04 | geronimo89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.32 | Dewi | zythmer: wow, you guys weren't content with losing the holy war against vim so you started your own internal one? nice! |
| 13:23.38 | dutchfish | geronimo89: what gives: cpufreq-set -g ondemand |
| 13:24.03 | geronimo89 | wrong, unknown or unhandled CPU?G |
| 13:24.07 | geronimo89 | -G |
| 13:24.16 | dutchfish | geronimo89: what cpu is it? |
| 13:24.54 | zythmer | Dewi: you guys? I have no affiliation with XEmacs. |
| 13:24.56 | dutchfish | geronimo89: not -G but -g |
| 13:25.11 | geronimo89 | CPU Info Intel Pentium M 2048 KB cache flags( sse2 ) clocked at [ 599.501 MHz ] |
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| 13:25.18 | LOOP` | hi people |
| 13:25.21 | Dewi | zythmer: heh, I'm just needling you |
| 13:25.28 | Juventino | guys, now i got samba-client and smbfs |
| 13:25.35 | Juventino | what can i do next? |
| 13:25.37 | Dewi | zythmer: I had no idea there were different variants. Thanks for clueing me in |
| 13:27.04 | dutchfish | geronimo89: you need centrino patch (wich is not in i gues) |
| 13:27.16 | Dewi | Juventino: my notes say.... |
| 13:27.18 | Dewi | Juventino: sudo mount -t cifs -o username=____loginusername___,uid=__localuid__,gid=__localgid___,filemode=0664,dirmode=0775,iocharset=utf8 //remotehost/SHARENAME /mnt/MOUNTPOINT |
| 13:27.44 | Eulex | dutchfish, eh |
| 13:27.52 | Eulex | geronimo89, what pentium m is this? |
| 13:27.57 | Dewi | Juventino: the uid/gid/mode stuff is just for mapping the perms to a local representation I like, the rest is kind of necessary |
| 13:28.01 | dutchfish | Eulex: CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO=m (not in sidux) |
| 13:28.14 | Juventino | oh boy.. that's not easy |
| 13:28.15 | Juventino | lol |
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| 13:28.26 | Dewi | Juventino: the underscores and capitals are meant to be where you fill stuff in, I didn't represent it very well |
| 13:28.30 | Eulex | cpufreq support for the pentium m's were a little flaky with 2.6.11 or earlier, but nowadays it should work perfectly. |
| 13:28.31 | geronimo89 | Eulex, dutchfish guess it is some centrino |
| 13:28.42 | dutchfish | geronimo89: yup |
| 13:28.47 | Dewi | Juventino: you can probably omit all the options except 'username' and still have it work, or even 'username' if your windows security is really low |
| 13:28.52 | Eulex | geronimo89, centrino should be what your chipset is. your processor is a pentium m. |
| 13:28.59 | dutchfish | geronimo89: but check it in your kernel config |
| 13:29.07 | Juventino | well it's a private network |
| 13:29.08 | Dewi | Juventino: but watch out for the odd unicode mapping and odd perms... I just don't like the defaults |
| 13:29.14 | Eulex | eh, well, not chipset, labelling of platform |
| 13:29.23 | Juventino | so i have it set to anyuser |
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| 13:29.38 | geronimo89 | Eulex: how do i find out? |
| 13:29.58 | Eulex | geronimo89, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:30.01 | Dewi | Juventino: you might need a username 'Guest' depending on the exact nature of your unsecured windows service |
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| 13:30.10 | Dewi | Juventino: most low-security stuff comes under 'guest' |
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| 13:30.41 | Eulex | geronimo89, anyway, cpufreq-set -g ondemand will set the ondemand governor to be used. 600mhz would be a completely normal lowest cpu speed for an a little older pentium m. |
| 13:31.28 | Eulex | geronimo89, then cpufreq-info should list the available frequencies of your cpu, and what it currently runs at. |
| 13:31.58 | geronimo89 | Eulex: analyzing CPU 0: |
| 13:31.58 | geronimo89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.28 | Eulex | and you've set a governor for it? |
| 13:32.39 | geronimo89 | I don't know |
| 13:33.01 | Eulex | cpufreq-set -g ondemand will enable the ondemand governor |
| 13:33.03 | geronimo89 | probably not then or it returned an erromessage |
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| 13:33.27 | geronimo89 | Eulex: wrong, unknown or unhandled CPU? |
| 13:33.40 | geronimo89 | that's what it tells me |
| 13:33.52 | dutchfish | geronimo89: Eulex i bet its centrino |
| 13:34.03 | Nyle | simonrvn, ping |
| 13:34.07 | Nyle | simonrvn, Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money. -- Cree Proverb |
| 13:34.13 | Nyle | beautiful. |
| 13:34.24 | Eulex | dutchfish, he probably has laptop that is centrino-classified, but what has that got to do with it? |
| 13:34.41 | Nyle | Good morning people |
| 13:34.53 | dutchfish | Eulex: http://lwn.net/Articles/36664/ |
| 13:35.21 | Eulex | ...which is in the kernel since long ago |
| 13:35.45 | Nyle | don't you ever get tired of kernels and such |
| 13:35.55 | dutchfish | ha .. |
| 13:36.01 | Nyle | I wish computers would just work automatically for once |
| 13:36.23 | Nyle | well |
| 13:36.29 | Nyle | if computers could think, we'd stop fucking |
| 13:36.35 | Nyle | cuz we wouldn't need humans anymore |
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| 13:36.40 | itguru | i've got a confession to make: I can't remember how to get a remote x app to display on my screen via SSH |
| 13:36.48 | Nyle | !sshx |
| 13:36.48 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 13:36.54 | Nyle | itguru, have fun :) |
| 13:36.57 | Dewi | Nyle: personally I'd fuck *more*, but ymmv |
| 13:36.58 | Eulex | geronimo89, and you're running it as root? and that is the full error message? |
| 13:37.12 | Nyle | Dewi, oh... s/fuck/procreate. |
| 13:37.20 | itguru | feels dumb! Thanks Nyle |
| 13:37.21 | Nyle | Dewi, fornication will not stop |
| 13:37.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:37.25 | Dewi | Nyle: phew |
| 13:37.30 | geronimo89 | Eulex: positive |
| 13:37.32 | Nyle | itguru, hey sure man np |
| 13:37.33 | slxix | Nyle, Just start a Sex-CAPTCHA and someone will break it. |
| 13:37.39 | Dewi | Nyle: you had me pretty worried |
| 13:37.47 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:37.47 | Dewi | slxix: there's the hotness based one |
| 13:37.56 | Nyle | itguru, ever hear of xdmcp? |
| 13:37.57 | Dewi | slxix: where you have to select the hot chick |
| 13:38.08 | Nyle | itguru, also if you are not on local lan, or even if you are, try freenx |
| 13:38.17 | Nyle | its sshx caching/proxying for X |
| 13:38.19 | Nyle | something |
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| 13:38.27 | ^Optimus^ | I have just set the bottom line of my linux screen, but it has some grey color, how can I change it? |
| 13:38.36 | Dewi | oh noes, hotcaptcha.com is 503'd |
| 13:38.38 | dutchfish | Eulex, geronimo89 and CONFIG_X86_P4_CLOCKMOD is another one to watch out for on Pentium M |
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| 13:39.32 | Nyle | haha |
| 13:39.39 | Nyle | what an awesome nickname... geronimo |
| 13:39.41 | Nyle | haha |
| 13:39.47 | Eulex | at least for me, all debian kernels since at least 2.6.12 have had speedstep working flawlessly on my pentium m sonoma |
| 13:40.00 | itguru | Nyle: I've got a openVPN connection back to the lab |
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| 13:40.08 | Nyle | ah ok |
| 13:40.15 | itguru | I'll look into freenx |
| 13:40.21 | Dewi | itguru: it should be as simple as ssh -X |
| 13:40.24 | Nyle | !freenx |
| 13:40.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 13:40.48 | Dewi | I wonder how long those URLs will last, Nyle |
| 13:40.55 | Nyle | yeh me too |
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| 13:40.59 | dutchfish | i want to know if it is already possible to get 3d support for latest xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (running on lenny with 2.6.25-4 and mesa working)? |
| 13:40.59 | Eulex | geronimo89, what kernel is this? |
| 13:41.02 | Nyle | lets verify the validiy tof them now |
| 13:41.12 | Dewi | Nyle: they look different to the defunct links the bot used to spit out, but they are still broken, both of them |
| 13:41.24 | Dewi | Nyle: it's like we get a new broken instance of freenx every year or so |
| 13:41.31 | Nyle | You don't have permission to access /anuradha/nx/ on this server. |
| 13:41.36 | Dewi | Nyle: I'm really not sure why providing it is so hard |
| 13:41.45 | Nyle | Dewi, neither do I |
| 13:41.47 | Eulex | geronimo89, hmm, found info on the internet that stated that you sometimes need to load the acpu_cpufreq module manually |
| 13:41.49 | Dewi | Nyle: but I've been wanting to try it for years and have never yet succeeded |
| 13:41.56 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 13:41.56 | Nyle | Dewi, I wonder why the gpl freenx has not made it into debian yet |
| 13:42.00 | Nyle | I could package it |
| 13:42.09 | Nyle | tries to find out wtf is up with that bullshit |
| 13:42.11 | Dewi | Nyle: well, I do have a fair amount of dislike for VNC |
| 13:42.39 | Dewi | Nyle: slow, lack of xrnr |
| 13:42.49 | Dewi | Nyle: x remoting won't detach |
| 13:42.55 | Nyle | ahh |
| 13:43.15 | Dewi | Nyle: so afaics there's a clear need for better X remoting in linux, but yeah, nobody's packaging anything good yet |
| 13:43.29 | Dewi | Nyle: feel free :) |
| 13:43.33 | Nyle | is localizing the installer |
| 13:43.37 | geronimo89 | Eulex: I love you! |
| 13:43.40 | Nyle | thats all i really have time for |
| 13:43.42 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:43.42 | geronimo89 | dutchfish: <3 |
| 13:43.49 | geronimo89 | Eulex: Thanks a lot! :D |
| 13:43.51 | itguru | wonders what he just started :) |
| 13:44.02 | Eulex | geronimo89, hehe, yw :) |
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| 13:44.08 | Nyle | Dewi, I had to switch to windows xp inorder to get language input in my language right |
| 13:44.15 | Nyle | for the translation/loclaizing task |
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| 13:44.22 | Nyle | I can't figure out how to enter Urdu text in debian yet |
| 13:44.23 | Nyle | :/ |
| 13:44.24 | Dewi | itguru: hehe. use ssh -X , it's not quite as fast as it should be, or detachable, but apart from that it works well and is nice and simple |
| 13:44.39 | Nyle | I wonder if i need stickers for my keyboard or a s/w keyboard will do |
| 13:44.45 | Nyle | ahh wel |
| 13:44.55 | Nyle | windows works just as well.. whoda thunk it |
| 13:45.01 | Nyle | debian getting translated in windows |
| 13:45.02 | Nyle | lol |
| 13:45.10 | Eulex | dutchfish, you really want to try out http://emmes.livejournal.com/769.html ? |
| 13:45.18 | geronimo89 | Blasphemy Nyle ^^ |
| 13:45.24 | itguru | I guess I'll try both :) |
| 13:45.31 | Dewi | Nyle: aah, good luck with that. TBH somebody at MS introduced a lot of i18n very early and linux is not quite caught up even now (but close) |
| 13:45.41 | Nevermind83 | Hello, is it possible to include only one packet from a dist in the packetmanager (ie. one packet from sid) ? |
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| 13:45.53 | Nyle | Nevermind83, which pakcage? |
| 13:45.55 | dutchfish | Eulex: yes, only could not get it to work yet |
| 13:45.56 | Eulex | dutchfish, and no, the radeonhd in debian can't be new enough to include it. |
| 13:46.06 | zythmer | Nyle: According to http://wiki.debian.org/freenx, some of the problems with packaging are listed here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nx-group/2007-July/000171.html. That was back in July so maybe things have changed. |
| 13:46.06 | Nevermind83 | Nyle, egroupware |
| 13:46.15 | dutchfish | Eulex: i compiled from the git |
| 13:46.18 | Nyle | Nevermind83, yes, but you shouldn't install a package from sid. if you are on stable, you should backport it yourself |
| 13:46.22 | Nyle | !ssb |
| 13:46.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 13:46.25 | Nyle | Nevermind83, ^^ |
| 13:46.35 | Nevermind83 | what means backported ? |
| 13:46.35 | Nyle | that is the recommended way of using sid packages on stable |
| 13:46.39 | Nyle | !backport |
| 13:46.39 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 13:47.43 | Dewi | zythmer: ooh, another handy URL. Thanks. zythmer++ |
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| 13:48.22 | Nevermind83 | ok, i've to read some docs ;-), thanks for the first |
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| 13:49.32 | Asulao | hello. new to debian. just did an apt-get remove postgresql, but the /etc/init.d script remains there. is this normal? mine is deb etch. |
| 13:49.52 | Eulex | it's normal |
| 13:50.06 | Eulex | to remove it, purge the package |
| 13:50.14 | Asulao | why? if I remove the package, I'd expect to erase everything |
| 13:50.22 | tavito | Hello, I find my debian lenny Xorg to be quite unresponsive when under heavy IO activity. I read that it could be better by changing the IO scheduler. Is it true? which one do you recommend? |
| 13:50.22 | Asulao | so remove isn't really remove? |
| 13:50.28 | Eulex | no, you wouldn't want it to remove all your config files |
| 13:50.35 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 13:50.40 | Asulao | okk, so a purge removes everything? |
| 13:50.44 | Eulex | yes |
| 13:50.47 | dutchfish | tavito: cfq 2.6.24 and up |
| 13:50.53 | Nyle | there is this gentleman fro nigeria who wants to make me very rich. |
| 13:50.57 | Asulao | great. thanks. from that perspective, it makes sense ;) |
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| 13:51.15 | |3alta|2 | Nyle: Go for it! |
| 13:51.25 | Nyle | but why me? |
| 13:51.32 | Nyle | out of 7 billion people, why did he chose me? |
| 13:51.33 | Eulex | you must be special |
| 13:51.36 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:51.38 | abhinay | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.45 | Nyle | clive? |
| 13:51.48 | Nyle | !clive |
| 13:52.05 | Nyle | abhinay, I personally prefer youtube-dl |
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| 13:52.15 | Nyle | !info youtube-dl |
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| 13:52.21 | Nyle | no idea wtf clive is |
| 13:52.39 | Eulex | !info clive |
| 13:52.41 | dpkg | clive: (Video extraction utility for YouTube, Google Video and other video sites), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.4.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 13:52.42 | abhinay | Nyle, but clive has many features |
| 13:52.45 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2008.03.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 13:52.52 | Nyle | i see |
| 13:53.09 | Asulao | Eulex: sorry again, how do I purge once I've done a remove? Do I have to install it again? |
| 13:53.16 | Eulex | !purge |
| 13:53.16 | dpkg | [purge] to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 13:53.37 | Nyle | Eulex, whats going on? |
| 13:53.42 | Asulao | thnaks! |
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| 13:53.50 | SwartMumba | hi |
| 13:53.52 | SwartMumba | is /etc/passwd the only location for shadow passwds |
| 13:53.55 | Dewi | hark: okay, found the setting for proper metakeys in .Xdefaults: *metaSendsEscape: true |
| 13:53.59 | Dewi | hark: thanks for the tip |
| 13:54.00 | Nyle | SwartMumba, /etc/shadow |
| 13:54.05 | Dewi | hark: (it works nicely) |
| 13:54.06 | SwartMumba | is /etc/shadow the only location for shadow passwds ** |
| 13:54.10 | Nyle | SwartMumba, yes |
| 13:54.15 | SwartMumba | mk |
| 13:54.25 | Nyle | SwartMumba, passwd contains only shadows of the password, a 1 char token, * |
| 13:54.36 | Asulao | Eulex: once I do a dpkg -P postgresql, the script should have been removed from fs? |
| 13:54.44 | Nyle | SwartMumba, though |
| 13:54.47 | dutchfish | Eulex: latest compiled fine on amd64 |
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| 13:54.57 | Asulao | It's still there :S |
| 13:54.59 | dutchfish | Eulex: thumbs x-ed |
| 13:55.01 | SwartMumba | yes Nyle |
| 13:55.04 | Eulex | SwartMumba, /etc/shadow- exists too, I believe it is a backup of the last working copy |
| 13:55.09 | Nyle | SwartMumba, there HAVE been bugs where some distros make backups called /etc/shadow~ etc. etc. and don't set the perms on it properly |
| 13:55.10 | tavito | dutchfish: how do I check which one I'm using now? I thought the default scheduler was cfq |
| 13:55.16 | Eulex | Asulao, might be in another package. |
| 13:55.26 | Nyle | I remember one RH6 bug where backups shadow files were 777 |
| 13:55.28 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 13:55.29 | dutchfish | tavito: depends on your curent kernel |
| 13:55.30 | Nyle | fun stuff |
| 13:55.41 | Asulao | Eulex: k, I'll try to find out. |
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| 13:56.02 | tavito | dutchfish: 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 13:56.08 | Eulex | Asulao, try grepping the output of dpkg -l to see if you've got anything postgres-related left on your system |
| 13:56.20 | dutchfish | Eulex: yippi !!! glxgears 6200 fps |
| 13:56.33 | Eulex | dutchfish, yay! what card do you have? |
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| 13:56.57 | Eulex | just out of curiousity, that is |
| 13:57.10 | dutchfish | Eulex: ATI HD 2400 XT, E8500 cpu intel latest chipset |
| 13:57.18 | Eulex | is that an r600? |
| 13:57.26 | dutchfish | :) |
| 13:57.45 | dutchfish | but no mipmapping for me mom, (yet) |
| 13:57.49 | drac | Eulex: yah, 630 |
| 13:57.58 | Eulex | that's seriously cool |
| 13:58.04 | dutchfish | :) |
| 13:58.34 | Asulao | Eulex: i remove postgresql, what was left behind was mostly everything, I had to apt-get remove postgresql-7.4. Now it's wiped away. Thanks a lot. |
| 13:59.04 | dutchfish | holy moly, i need breaks on nexuiz |
| 13:59.41 | Nyle | dutchfish, I will frag your ass |
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| 13:59.45 | dutchfish | ok, but still needs alot of work, but its coming ... slwly |
| 13:59.53 | Thanoulis | You answered the question incorrectly, you can try again by answering the next question.nHow many wheels does a normal bicycle have? |
| 13:59.55 | Eulex | Asulao, yw. I seem to have been wrong anyway, /etc/init.d scripts aren't considered config files, so they will be removed just through a pure remove |
| 13:59.55 | Nyle | you can't beat me in most fps game s;) |
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| 13:59.56 | dutchfish | Nyle: :) |
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| 14:00.01 | Nyle | especially in classic doom2 |
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| 14:00.08 | valdyn | Eulex: they are config files |
| 14:00.09 | Nyle | man I will frag your ass to phobos and back |
| 14:00.11 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 14:00.33 | Eulex | ah, nvm then |
| 14:00.37 | stew | Eulex: they are conffiles |
| 14:00.45 | Asulao | Eulex: ok no prob anyway. As long as it removes them. :) |
| 14:00.59 | dutchfish | Nyle: i need it for blender renders mostly |
| 14:01.04 | Nyle | e8500 |
| 14:01.09 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 14:01.17 | Nyle | you have like some upgraded hw from mine |
| 14:01.30 | Nyle | I have E6300 @ 3500MHz for 1 year solid 24/7 |
| 14:01.32 | dutchfish | no, its brand new machine |
| 14:01.34 | Nyle | and x1900xt ati |
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| 14:01.48 | Nyle | i mean to say you have a little better but same parts as me |
| 14:01.49 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:01.54 | Nyle | or similar |
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| 14:02.11 | Nyle | dutchfish, you maded the machine? |
| 14:02.16 | Nyle | grr. made? |
| 14:02.21 | Asulao | bye. thanks again Eulex |
| 14:02.28 | dutchfish | Nyle: yes, its not new but i bought one because of xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 14:02.37 | Nyle | ahh yes |
| 14:02.46 | Nyle | 2400 == r5xx? |
| 14:02.49 | Nyle | 580 I belive? |
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| 14:03.08 | dutchfish | Nyle: hold on i pastebin a dump |
| 14:03.11 | Nyle | I know x1900xt is and radeonhd is providing nice 3d accel whichis somewhat stable under experimental |
| 14:03.34 | zythmer | abhinay: You're using an old version of clive (0.4.3). 0.4.11 was uploaded because youtube changed. I tried your URL with 0.4.11 and it is working for me. |
| 14:03.54 | Nyle | though i have not yet compile X/mesa from git yet which is what they recommend for that driver |
| 14:04.03 | Nyle | but about friggin time on the fglrx replacement man |
| 14:04.10 | Nyle | about goddamn time |
| 14:04.36 | abhinay | zythmer, let me try with .4.11 then |
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| 14:04.48 | Nyle | dutchfish, I ask because only r500 chipsets are giving 3d accel atm |
| 14:05.08 | Nyle | 6xx is still slow/chopppy (not yet fully implemented) |
| 14:05.23 | dutchfish | Nyle: http://debian.pastebin.com/m6492ab1c |
| 14:06.18 | Nyle | holy... |
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| 14:06.57 | dutchfish | Nyle: a bit to much i see now ... sorry |
| 14:07.47 | Thingy | Is there a way to track packages installed via APT-GET so that I can script the same packages for installation on another or the same box again? |
| 14:08.26 | wols | Thingy: /var/log/dpkg* |
| 14:08.42 | cahoot | Thingy: try /msg dpkg debian clone |
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| 14:10.22 | Thingy | wols, hmm that log file does report EVERYTHING but I'd have to find a way of extracting the package installs line. Ok...I could do some scripting. |
| 14:10.38 | Thingy | cahoot, thanks, I'll look at that. |
| 14:10.39 | wols | Thingy: follow cahoot's advice |
| 14:11.49 | dutchfish | Nyle: xorg log: http://debian.pastebin.com/m665f93b4 |
| 14:12.16 | Thingy | Perfect! The instructions for aptitude clone are what I wanted. thanks |
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| 14:14.36 | dutchfish | Nyle: on 2.6.25-4 pre-emptive smp low latency desktop |
| 14:14.43 | Nyle | hm |
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| 14:14.45 | Nyle | not bad |
| 14:15.10 | dutchfish | Nyle: slowly, but we are getting there .... |
| 14:15.11 | Zwiebeltu | Hi. |
| 14:15.23 | Nyle | dutchfish, are you dutch? |
| 14:15.28 | dutchfish | Nyle: ja |
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| 14:15.42 | Nyle | cool |
| 14:15.48 | Nyle | I was in amstrdam a few times |
| 14:15.49 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:15.54 | dutchfish | Nyle: ;) |
| 14:16.11 | Nyle | smoking in the open without fear of police is great |
| 14:16.21 | Nyle | I tell ya, it makes you feel human. |
| 14:16.29 | dutchfish | hides again in the bushes |
| 14:16.33 | Nyle | haha |
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| 14:17.00 | odla | i need to use ndiswrapper to get wireless working on one of my laptops and i need to build it and unfortunately this laptop is currently set up to the internet ... is there any way that i can use dpkg or apt to pull in all the dependencies for build-essential ndiswrapper-common and module-assistant at one time? |
| 14:17.07 | dutchfish | Nyle: xrandr is working too on it btw |
| 14:17.11 | odla | currently not set up to the interent |
| 14:17.41 | dutchfish | Nyle: now saving for 2nd sceen ... |
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| 14:17.51 | Nyle | dutchfish, I just got a 22" lcd |
| 14:17.59 | dutchfish | Nyle: me too |
| 14:18.08 | cahoot | smokescreen? |
| 14:18.11 | Zwiebeltu | I am trying at the moment to install a SAMSUNG HD502IJ on a MSI K9N Neo v3 board (nV MCP65, AMD64) running etch. The BIOS detects the disk fine. Linux writes only "ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)" related to this disk. Disk and board should both support SATA2 and the also present HD252 does work fine. My system uses sata_nv. I am fiddling now for 2hours without gaining anything. Any ideas? |
| 14:18.29 | Nyle | hanns g hdmi 22 inch 3000:1 5ms |
| 14:18.32 | Nyle | not bad |
| 14:18.50 | Nyle | 21.7" viewable |
| 14:18.53 | dutchfish | Nyle: well, you can look it up in the pastebin ;) |
| 14:18.57 | Nyle | cahoot, hehe no |
| 14:19.08 | Nyle | dutchfish, c'mon man, why you gonna make me work so hard |
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| 14:19.10 | Nyle | just tellme |
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| 14:19.29 | VaRo_DJ | I can download Debian hurd and kFreeBSD? |
| 14:19.44 | dutchfish | Nyle: E228WFP |
| 14:19.52 | Nyle | dell |
| 14:19.54 | Nyle | ugh |
| 14:19.59 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 14:20.07 | dutchfish | Nyle: it was a gift from my boss |
| 14:20.13 | Nyle | dell |
| 14:20.15 | Nyle | ugh |
| 14:20.16 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:20.20 | stew | VaRo_DJ: yes |
| 14:20.25 | daryl | when you have an error linking to a library, what's the command you run to update your lib list |
| 14:20.29 | daryl | or something similar |
| 14:20.36 | VaRo_DJ | stew Where? |
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| 14:20.44 | stew | VaRo_DJ: http://debian.org/ports |
| 14:20.45 | dutchfish | Nyle: i am glad with it |
| 14:20.50 | VaRo_DJ | Thanks |
| 14:20.58 | Nyle | dutchfish, just messin with ya |
| 14:21.01 | Nyle | dell |
| 14:21.05 | Nyle | is fine |
| 14:21.12 | dutchfish | !coffee Nyle |
| 14:21.12 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Nyle, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 14:21.45 | Nyle | dutchfish, I gotta pack up and move today, then I gotta go fix 3 computes in long island, so I guess moving sucks, but making money kicks ass |
| 14:21.56 | Nyle | is preparing to get up and pack... |
| 14:22.31 | Nyle | dutchfish, I posted a picture on the debian facebook.com group |
| 14:22.34 | dutchfish | Nyle: yup, money, wife, work not neccecarely in that order |
| 14:22.35 | Nyle | a beer label |
| 14:22.47 | Nyle | dutchfish, it says.. We only release it when its ready |
| 14:22.59 | Nyle | dutchfish, serving the linux community since 1993 |
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| 14:23.14 | dutchfish | so true |
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| 14:23.26 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 14:23.26 | dpkg | debianlove is, like, the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
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| 14:23.35 | Nyle | dutchfish, ahh |
| 14:24.24 | Nyle | dutchfish, "we only release it when its ready"\nDEBIAN\nPREMIUM DISTRO\nExcellence in Linux since 1993 |
| 14:24.36 | Nyle | dutchfish, it looks like a high class beer bottle label |
| 14:24.36 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:24.56 | Nyle | http://photos-375.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v249/139/106/1219977375/n1219977375_53598_4769.jpg |
| 14:25.00 | Nyle | dunno if ya'll can see it |
| 14:25.15 | greysky | >_< |
| 14:25.45 | Nyle | its all green and irish lookin' ;) |
| 14:26.06 | greysky | >_<! |
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| 14:35.40 | sokol | ciao |
| 14:35.44 | sokol | !list |
| 14:35.44 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to sokol |
| 14:35.55 | Zwiebeltu | bye |
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| 14:36.29 | Nyle | lol |
| 14:36.36 | Nyle | warez list |
| 14:37.22 | dutchfish | Nyle: apropos got latencytop going and kvm/qemu too on this kernel |
| 14:37.31 | Nyle | nice |
| 14:38.03 | pngwn | Sunday's early this week... |
| 14:38.15 | dutchfish | Nyle: waiting to lay my hands on the new xen 4.1 .... |
| 14:39.01 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 14:41.41 | RangerRick | just wanted to pop in and say thanks for all your hard work... I just upgraded an old sarge (!) box to etch in one go, and literally, I had to fix *no* configs. mail, web server, dns, everything, continued to work. Awesome! |
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| 14:43.33 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 14:43.33 | dpkg | debianlove is probably the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 14:43.36 | asg | pngwn: Sunday is constant these days |
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| 14:47.07 | Nyle | constant? |
| 14:47.18 | Nyle | today is saturday |
| 14:47.22 | Nyle | I think |
| 14:47.26 | Nyle | oh he said early... doh |
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| 14:47.52 | Nyle | i can get people to come help me move, rahul helped me move last time, but still.. packing sucks |
| 14:48.08 | Nyle | I mean.. I keep trying to get rid of my shit, and I still have tons of shit |
| 14:48.20 | Nyle | I keep getting bigger places, and then i fill it up with more shit |
| 14:48.39 | Nyle | would love to live a simple primitive life anyday now |
| 14:48.39 | asg | Nyle: donate your shit and write it off on your taxes |
| 14:48.48 | Nyle | asg, haha thats an option |
| 14:49.04 | dutchfish | Nyle: you havent seen my place ;) looks like a computer museum ... |
| 14:49.18 | Nyle | dutchfish, dude I had 7 machines when I moved to nyc |
| 14:49.29 | Nyle | I had 13 when I moved few monthsa go |
| 14:49.38 | Nyle | now I have 2 thankgod but i still need to move |
| 14:49.44 | dutchfish | Nyle: i lost count |
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| 14:49.58 | Inktjet | When i'm added as a shell as user, when running irssi (as private im) - is there always a way for the one with root to open my screen window with irssi and read it? |
| 14:49.59 | Nyle | I sold my furnitures, jus tkeeping the bed and othe neccessery things, I sold all the bullshit I had and never used like a tv for example |
| 14:50.01 | Inktjet | Or is there away to avoid he can? |
| 14:50.16 | Nyle | Inktjet, come again |
| 14:50.23 | Inktjet | Nyle: what do you mean? |
| 14:50.45 | Nyle | Inktjet, you are a user, and you canno connect to to a screen of root |
| 14:50.53 | Inktjet | no i mean, vice versa |
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| 14:50.56 | Nyle | if that is what you are asking |
| 14:51.05 | Nyle | you mean if you want to prevent root from doing something on the system? |
| 14:51.08 | Nyle | keep dreamin... |
| 14:51.11 | Inktjet | no |
| 14:51.15 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:51.16 | dutchfish | Inktjet: why run as root in the first place? |
| 14:51.21 | Inktjet | err.? |
| 14:51.28 | Inktjet | I mean, preventing him to open my screen session and read my irssi |
| 14:52.01 | dutchfish | Inktjet: sorry misread, yes root can do that |
| 14:52.27 | Inktjet | not any trick or way to prevent him? |
| 14:52.28 | Nyle | dutchfish, if he reads your irssi you will get detatched from where YOU are |
| 14:52.41 | Nyle | so you'll know, but how to prevent, I don't think you can |
| 14:52.58 | dutchfish | Nyle: nope, i can do that (as root) |
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| 14:53.27 | Nyle | dutchfish, if you are connected to a screen session and irssi, and some root wants to see it, when they attatch to it, you will get detatched |
| 14:53.33 | Nyle | afair anyway |
| 14:53.38 | Nyle | then again my memory sucks |
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| 14:53.56 | dutchfish | Nyle: no, i get to my proxy and happely read along with him |
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| 14:54.13 | Nyle | dutchfish, proxy? what ? how? |
| 14:54.26 | dutchfish | Nyle: IM proxy |
| 14:54.29 | Nyle | im? |
| 14:54.52 | dutchfish | Nyle: i have to look it where i cobled it together but yes |
| 14:55.19 | Nyle | word |
| 14:55.38 | dutchfish | Nyle: remind me next time, i have it linked then |
| 14:55.45 | Nyle | ugh already 11 I don't wanna pack but i gotaa |
| 14:55.48 | Nyle | kljf;klajdl |
| 14:55.59 | dutchfish | Nyle: ? |
| 14:56.10 | Nyle | dutchfish, shifting to new apt |
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| 14:56.22 | dutchfish | Nyle: oh |
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| 14:58.49 | dutchfish | !tell Inkjet about eggdrop |
| 14:58.49 | _eskimo | hello |
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| 14:59.45 | Nyle | eggdrop? |
| 14:59.49 | Nyle | irc botter |
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| 14:59.59 | telexicon | so it looks like apt-get installs recommend packages by default now? how can i disable this? |
| 15:00.32 | dutchfish | Nyle: that way he can prevent it, at least the proxy thing |
| 15:00.41 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:00.57 | Nyle | or psybnc |
| 15:01.02 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 15:04.27 | teclo | how do you reconfigure the network on debian 4.0 ? dpkg-reconfigure network ? |
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| 15:04.53 | wols | !tell teclo about interfaces |
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| 15:05.22 | blame | Is there any way to to record online radio stations in audio files? |
| 15:05.31 | wols | telexicon: in a apt.conf.d file |
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| 15:06.48 | kervan | Hi. I'm installing Apache2 and then installing PHP5 over it. Then I'm restarting apapche2. But when I requested a php file browser shows me a save dialog. When I open the downloaded file I saw the php codes. I mean Apache can not use libapache-php5-mod how can I fix this problem. Thanks a lot. |
| 15:07.16 | dutchfish | kervan: a2enmod |
| 15:07.34 | kzar | What's the name of that tool that gives you the option of what software to install when you first install debian? |
| 15:08.17 | kervan | dutchfish: synaptic can not find a2enmod? I don't know what is this? |
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| 15:08.45 | dutchfish | kervan: its already installed probably with apache2 |
| 15:09.04 | telexicon | wols, but i dont know what the option is, and i cant find it in man apt.conf |
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| 15:10.06 | AbsintheSyringe | my keyboard layout just goes crazy after using vmware (6.0.3), debian lenny |
| 15:10.16 | kzar | ahh I just remembered, taskel |
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| 15:11.00 | dutchfish | kervan: apache2.2-common: /usr/sbin/a2enmod |
| 15:11.15 | ^Optimus^ | how to set the color of the screen bottom line set in the .screenrc file to black? |
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| 15:12.11 | kervan | dutchfish: I'm calling "a2enmod php5" It says that module loaded correctly but problem is the same. |
| 15:12.32 | dutchfish | kervan: and you did restart apache2 ? |
| 15:12.35 | kervan | I'm restarting apache2 |
| 15:13.48 | kervan | dutchfish: ok you fixed it. |
| 15:13.53 | dutchfish | yw |
| 15:13.56 | kervan | It works great. Thanks |
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| 15:15.06 | zythmer | telexicon: Yeah, it's not in the man page. APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 15:15.33 | telexicon | zythmer, thanks |
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| 15:18.45 | ^Optimus^ | I have just set the bottom line of my linux screen, but it has some grey color, how can I change it? |
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| 15:20.51 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 15:21.28 | Mazingaro | please I couldn't get the fan working on fujitsu siemens lifebook c series notebook (debian 4.0 lenny kernel 2.6.24-1 686) thanks |
| 15:21.43 | Mazingaro | /proc/acpi/fan is an empty directory |
| 15:21.56 | Gge | Hello , in testing wxpython is version 2.6 . I need version 2.8 . How i can install it ? |
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| 15:26.21 | lackita | hey, I'm trying to install some 64 bit specific packages, but my apt repository still thinks it's installing to a 32 bit system |
| 15:26.44 | lackita | even though the uname -a clearly shows amd64 |
| 15:27.02 | drizzd_ | lackita: just because you're running a 64-bit kernel doesn't mean you have a 64-bit debian |
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| 15:27.42 | lackita | ok, so do I need to rebuild the entire system, or is there an easier way to switch to a 64-bit debian? |
| 15:28.09 | drizzd_ | you will have to install debian-amd64 from scratch. I don't think it's possible to just replace all 32-bit packages with 64-bit packages |
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| 15:28.59 | zamba | i've been running lilo for a long time on a box, how do i easily swap this with grub? meaning.. set up the same boot images and replace the mbr? |
| 15:29.17 | lackita | well shit, I hope I built this system with a separate partition for the home directory |
| 15:29.22 | zamba | i know for a fact it's not as simple as just doing aptitude install grub and then everything works |
| 15:29.22 | lackita | otherwise this is going to suck |
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| 15:29.54 | pjv | how can i watch drm protected video in linux? |
| 15:30.26 | SparFux | drm protected stuff is already sold? damn. |
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| 15:30.36 | drizzd_ | lackita: well, think about whether or not you really want debian-amd64. It also comes with caveats |
| 15:30.41 | mavhk | unprotect it, then watch |
| 15:30.57 | pjv | mav: how? |
| 15:31.03 | drizzd_ | for example, there is no 64-bit java plugin right now, so you'd have to run a 32-bit browser anyways, for example, which is a pita. |
| 15:31.05 | SparFux | With mplayer for example |
| 15:31.33 | lackita | except right now for some reason the 64 bit kernel is preventing me from installing a flash plugin |
| 15:31.51 | lackita | I suppose I could reboot into a 486 kernel |
| 15:31.55 | SparFux | lackita: So, you say it is a security feature? |
| 15:32.02 | lackita | guess I'll try that first |
| 15:32.02 | drizzd_ | The kernel should not matter, the 64-bit kernel can also run 32-bit apps. |
| 15:33.04 | cahoot | pjv: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_FAQ |
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| 15:34.58 | SparFux | Wow! You can actually remove DRM already? |
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| 15:37.06 | SparFux | pjv: Use wine for the windows softare to remove drm. |
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| 15:38.28 | mavhk | finally a use for windows |
| 15:40.36 | pjv | ok thanks guys |
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| 15:46.03 | wols | telexicon: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 15:46.12 | wols | oops |
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| 15:59.24 | Gge | thx xsdg |
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| 15:59.26 | ^Optimus^ | Does anyone know how I can set the line at the bottom of my screen session in another color, it is gray now, the same color as the text appearing in it, which I cannot read. |
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| 16:01.13 | xsdg | Gge: np |
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| 16:05.41 | lesouvage | With "make" I got a message "You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.18-6-486 kernel installed." I have the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6 available. What else should I do to avid this errormessage? |
| 16:06.14 | wols | ^Optimus^: "reset" |
| 16:06.34 | wols | lesouvage: what module? |
| 16:07.00 | wols | and you need the EXACT kernel source most likely, not /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6 |
| 16:07.07 | lesouvage | wols: ztdumy and zaptel |
| 16:07.17 | wols | zaptel is in etch at least |
| 16:07.18 | lesouvage | ztdumy=ztdummy |
| 16:07.26 | wols | alst: dpkg -l |grep linux |grep 2.6.18 |
| 16:07.33 | wols | *also |
| 16:08.21 | wols | btw: what cpu do you run on? |
| 16:12.17 | lesouvage | wols: how do I install the exact kernel source. |
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| 16:15.31 | tomfmason | I am trying to copy an existing debian installation to another system using partimage. I am just wondering if there is anything that I will need to do aside from editing fstab and mtab for the new partition configuration? e.g. / was /dev/sda6 but now it is will be /dev/sda4 on the new system |
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| 16:18.38 | wols | lesouvage: answer my questions |
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| 16:19.42 | lesouvage | wols: I'm running the system on a epia itx 600 mhz system. |
| 16:19.59 | wols | tomfmason: reinstall and reconfig grub |
| 16:20.18 | wols | lesouvage: and the dpkg command I gave you? |
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| 16:20.46 | raphi | is there a possibility to create random data faster (but less random) than the /dev/urandom? |
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| 16:22.43 | lesouvage | wols: for the output of the dpkg command see http://www.pastebin.be/11834 |
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| 16:24.05 | weller | can I make udev create two real nodes (not symlinks) in /dev for one device? |
| 16:24.11 | wols | lesouvage: install the headers for YOUR kernel |
| 16:24.31 | wols | not a generic 2.4.18 one as you have |
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| 16:24.48 | wols | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-6-486 |
| 16:25.34 | wols | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-6-486 etch |
| 16:25.37 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.18-6-486: (Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on x86), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 278 kB, Installed size: 4928 kB |
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| 16:26.45 | SparFux | And kernel 2.6.25 breaks MISDN stuff. |
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| 16:31.53 | Mazingaro | please I couldn't get the fan working on fujitsu siemens lifebook c series notebook (debian 4.0 lenny kernel 2.6.24-1 686) thanks |
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| 16:45.50 | g00se | Anybody managed to connect to BTOpenzone wireless in UK? |
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| 16:46.50 | ^Optimus^ | wols: how ? |
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| 16:53.35 | wols | ^Optimus^: just as I said. read the manpage |
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| 16:55.17 | ^Optimus^ | wols: can't figure it out |
| 16:55.26 | ^Optimus^ | didn't read there how to change it to black |
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| 16:55.36 | wald0 | where i can found the source code of the installer of debian ? |
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| 16:55.49 | sobersabre | hi. |
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| 16:56.14 | sobersabre | where can I read bout upgrade from etch to lenny ? |
| 16:56.40 | amphi | !tell sobersabre -about etch->lenny |
| 16:57.17 | Nyle | amphi, you wanna help me move? |
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| 16:57.56 | Nyle | uff. |
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| 16:58.32 | sobersabre | I've done: edit sources, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 16:58.42 | sobersabre | and I've got a weird problem: |
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| 16:59.51 | sobersabre | gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: gconftool-2: undefined symbol: g_option_context_new |
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| 17:00.34 | sobersabre | I've tried to look this up in google, but found nothing useful so far. |
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| 17:01.36 | wols | ^Optimus^: RUN IT! |
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| 17:02.26 | wols | !tell sobersabre about etch->lenny |
| 17:02.26 | wald0 | where i can found the source code of debian installer ? |
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| 17:03.22 | Blissex | wald0: in one of a few Debian warez sites -- the installer has been cracked. |
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| 17:03.24 | Blissex | :-) |
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| 17:04.10 | AwesomeGuy | how do I give an os a bootable flag so if I take off the bootloader it just boots that system |
| 17:04.10 | AwesomeGuy | * os |
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| 17:04.10 | wald0 | Blissex: thanks, i think that this is a good answer (lol me) |
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| 17:05.34 | pumpkin0 | AwesomeGuy: that does not work. You always need a bootloader. |
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| 17:06.10 | pumpkin0 | AwesomeGuy: and all the old MS-based bootloaders needed a bootable-flag to find the right partition. |
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| 17:06.30 | wols | pumpkin0: grub/lilo are not MS based. they don't care about that flag at all |
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| 17:06.44 | wols | pumpkin0: you can still set it with fdisk however |
| 17:07.09 | amphi | Nyle: move what? |
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| 17:07.34 | pumpkin0 | wols: i was refering to the " so if I take off the bootloader" part. It will kill the system ... one way or another. |
| 17:08.04 | ^Optimus^ | wols: i did? |
| 17:08.07 | wols | should have talked to AwesomeGuy, sorry |
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| 17:08.18 | AwesomeGuy | is 720 dpi a good printer? |
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| 17:08.34 | wols | AwesomeGuy: how is this debian related? |
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| 17:10.04 | wols | AwesomeGuy: if you just want to boot the system, you can set a low timeout value in menu.lst |
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| 17:10.41 | AwesomeGuy | someone wanted to know how to make a os just boot with no bootloader |
| 17:10.45 | AwesomeGuy | nvm |
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| 17:14.47 | Mazingaro | please I couldn't get the fan working on fujitsu siemens lifebook c series notebook (debian 4.0 lenny kernel 2.6.24-1 686) thanks |
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| 17:18.59 | dury | hi there |
| 17:19.02 | dury | :) |
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| 17:20.02 | dury | stew: got new passwd for my root, success :) |
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| 17:21.46 | blubberdiblub | is it okay to remove libft-perl (which is recommended by defoma) in order to upgrade to perlapi-5.10.0 or does that mean that some/all of my scalable fonts stop being autoconfigured then? |
| 17:22.04 | tavito | Hi there, did the last compiz upgrade in lenny break gtk-window-decorator or is it just me? |
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| 17:26.11 | dury | bbl |
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| 17:26.55 | g00se | Am i right in thinking that to config a wireless card it's ifconfig followed by iwconfig? |
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| 17:28.53 | Gge | Hello , I need to install wxpython version 2.8 with Lenny but only version 2.6 package is available . I tried to use backports but lenny is not suppported . Please how I can update to version 2.8 ? |
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| 17:30.37 | Eulex | Gge, try getting the python-wxgtk2.8 package from experimental; if you don't have all the dependencies; backport it yourself. |
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| 17:32.14 | blubberdiblub | g00se, usually the other way round. first you configure the card with iwconfig, for mode, essid, channel, etc. and then you configure the ip stuff on top of it and up the interface using ifconfig and/or ip (in the iproute2 package). then when you got it working, you can collectively put the config into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:32.44 | Gge | Eulex , thx , i'll look at this |
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| 17:35.31 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: debhelper must've banned *Serv: mode/#debian (-b *!*@services.) by debhelper |
| 17:36.20 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yerp |
| 17:36.28 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it's because chanserv was being horribly broken |
| 17:36.30 | g00se | blubberdiblub: thanks - i *was* wondering ;-) So i think the following must be wrong then? Perhaps you could kindly confirm by looking a Step #7? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-and-configure-dlink-dwl-g-520-wireless-lan-pci-card.html |
| 17:36.34 | jimbo | good mornig evyribady, I have a computer very old and I want install debian whit diskett |
| 17:36.56 | jimbo | sorry I dont speak ingles good |
| 17:36.59 | pozic | Is there some way I can tell the kernel that I want some applications to have a higher QoS than others? E.g. I don't care how long aptitude works over an update as long as it doesn't take all the bandwidth when I am also browsing. |
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| 17:37.50 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: good reason |
| 17:38.05 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: what was going on? |
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| 17:39.42 | blubberdiblub | g00se, well the page is kinda correct. it uses an older ralink driver that hardcodedly reads the config from a file when the module is inserted. but you don't want those old drivers. current debian kernels include the ralink modules, otherwise you could go for rt2x00-source + module-assistant |
| 17:39.55 | simonrvn | speaking broken, the oftc version of rb was swapping like mad, bloated itself to ~1 GiB ... |
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| 17:40.51 | g00se | blubberdiblub: but note that he suggests ifconfig followed by iwconfig: the opposite of what you said... |
| 17:41.17 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ah, this stuff i bet: .:12:53:12:. ==> Irssi: Fooey. Not opped. |
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| 17:42.12 | Gge | Eulex , Python-wxgtk2.8 is unavailable in experimental |
| 17:42.35 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: it was joining, then ghosting itself repeatedly |
| 17:42.45 | simonrvn | oh ick |
| 17:43.02 | blubberdiblub | g00se, no, read my line again ;) the old driver reads the config from a file when it is insmod'ed. so in that case you don't have to configure the wireless for mode, essid etc. using iwconfig before upping it. on the page, they use iwconfig after upping it to scan for access points. scanning does only work after the interface is up, even with the new drivers (at least for ralink cards) |
| 17:43.07 | Eulex | Gge, oh really? http://packages.debian.org/python-wxgtk2.8 |
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| 17:43.27 | simonrvn | yeh, i see it now in lastlog. |
| 17:43.36 | anabelle | hello |
| 17:43.48 | Gge | Eulex , oh , how i missed that . thx |
| 17:43.54 | anabelle | can i use debian net install in a system with 57MB of RAM? |
| 17:43.55 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
| 17:43.57 | Nyle | simonrvn, hello |
| 17:44.03 | Nyle | simonrvn, kwekwe |
| 17:44.09 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:44.17 | anabelle | debian netinst i mean |
| 17:44.23 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Sorry. i think i see ;-) At what point and how is the gateway address got btw? |
| 17:44.30 | wols | anabelle: should work |
| 17:44.55 | anabelle | and debian is good for a PC with 57MB RAM and 500MHz processor? |
| 17:44.58 | superfirelord42 | anabelle: i just did it on a64 MB one |
| 17:44.59 | wols | g00se: when the interface goes up |
| 17:45.10 | dryrot | hello anyone can help me with a networking problem? there is a '10.0.0.0' network, the gateway is 10.8.142.37 , when i try to route to it, i get this error: http://pastie.org/206444 |
| 17:45.12 | superfirelord42 | well i will admit it was inside QEMU |
| 17:45.16 | wols | anabelle: usualy 48 is the critical point |
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| 17:45.27 | anabelle | nice |
| 17:45.27 | superfirelord42 | which makes my proccessor less than 300MHz |
| 17:45.28 | blubberdiblub | g00se, sorry, i don't understand |
| 17:45.38 | g00se | wols: Thanks |
| 17:45.41 | anabelle | Xubuntu can't do it with 57 :( |
| 17:45.58 | anabelle | 64 is the minimum |
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| 17:46.05 | wols | dryrot: wrong netmask. why do you set route manually? |
| 17:46.07 | Eulex | anabelle, 57mb? that's an edd number |
| 17:46.09 | Eulex | *odd |
| 17:46.11 | superfirelord42 | anabelle: the key is Xubuntu can, but it requires some tricks.... it doesnt like it.. |
| 17:46.21 | Nyle | what is a xubuntu? |
| 17:46.31 | g00se | blubberdiblub: fyi, i'm using the rt61 driver, which i had to build from source |
| 17:46.36 | dryrot | wols: 10.8.142.37 is an openvpn client. what should my netmask be then? |
| 17:46.36 | Nyle | how many freakin ubuntus do they have |
| 17:46.40 | Nyle | geez |
| 17:46.41 | anabelle | Eulex yes I know, you can't imagine where I am, is the weirdest town |
| 17:46.47 | superfirelord42 | Nyle: Xubuntu is ubuntu but with XFCE, made for lower end machines |
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| 17:46.58 | wols | dryrot: what is the IP? |
| 17:47.00 | Eulex | anabelle, is perhaps the rest taken up by the video card? |
| 17:47.07 | blubberdiblub | g00se: i've got a rt61 (pci) here as well. i hope you used the rt2x00-source package? |
| 17:47.08 | Nyle | all you nened is one debian |
| 17:47.19 | anabelle | I guess, but i don't know how to change it |
| 17:47.36 | anabelle | Nyle, I will try debian on this |
| 17:47.40 | Nyle | superfirelord42, made fow what end machines? I just read it is the same ubuntu with a diff desktop all the bullshit apps are still the same it seems |
| 17:47.43 | Eulex | I don't think you can do much |
| 17:47.44 | anabelle | I've always used ubuntu |
| 17:47.51 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Great! And no - it didn't work and i was told it wouldn't work for my card |
| 17:47.57 | Nyle | anabelle, debian is all you need, good clean and stable |
| 17:47.58 | anabelle | or kubuntu, or xubuntu or ubuntu-studio |
| 17:47.58 | anabelle | LOL |
| 17:48.04 | Nyle | wow |
| 17:48.06 | dryrot | wols: oh maybe the netmask should be 255.0.0.0 . im trying to get to a 10.*.*.* network . i can never understand netmasks for some reason |
| 17:48.08 | Nyle | we got 3 |
| 17:48.24 | dryrot | Nyle: debian is so old! puppet barely works on it. much sadness. |
| 17:48.28 | anabelle | or gobuntu, or ubuntu-ultimate or mint |
| 17:48.29 | wols | dryrot: answer my question |
| 17:48.41 | Supaplex | 42! |
| 17:48.44 | superfirelord42 | anabelle: i only tend to use the official ubuntu releases... |
| 17:48.47 | blubberdiblub | g00se: well, it did work back then when i used a kernel that didn't provide the module out of the box |
| 17:49.04 | superfirelord42 | Supa! |
| 17:49.06 | simonrvn | i tend to use what's in front of me |
| 17:49.12 | anabelle | Nyle i really like the idea of the net installer |
| 17:49.18 | anabelle | is really clever |
| 17:49.27 | anabelle | but debian's website is AWFUL |
| 17:49.33 | g00se | blubberdiblub: This is what Aurelien Jarno told me (comments?): "The RT2561 chip is not supported by rt2500, but either by a specific |
| 17:49.36 | g00se | driver called rt61 (not packaged in Debian), or directly in recent |
| 17:49.37 | simonrvn | anabelle: yes. works from 3 floppies. |
| 17:49.37 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 17:49.38 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 17:49.51 | anabelle | O.O HOW!!! |
| 17:49.52 | superfirelord42 | Nyle: although it looks the same, i have to say, on a lower end machine, Xubuntu beats Ubuntu, but that belongs in ubuntu, not debian... |
| 17:49.56 | g00se | kernels (>= 2.6.25) |
| 17:49.59 | wols | !rt61 |
| 17:49.59 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 17:50.05 | g00se | Sorry - linebreaks |
| 17:50.05 | blubberdiblub | g00se, i'm takling about the "rt2x00" driver, not the "rt2500" driver |
| 17:50.07 | simonrvn | anabelle: why? 'cause it's not "web 2.0"? |
| 17:50.24 | anabelle | lol |
| 17:50.27 | anabelle | maybe |
| 17:50.36 | anabelle | it feels old |
| 17:50.50 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 17:50.54 | g00se | blubberdiblub: i wonder why he didn't mention that? |
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| 17:51.07 | dury | debian works |
| 17:51.10 | Supaplex | anabelle: install the stlish firefox plugin and rewrite the styles :P That's what I do on sites I feel need some tweaks |
| 17:51.14 | dury | it's great |
| 17:51.26 | simonrvn | only thin i'd chane on it is doing the rounded box in css instead of images |
| 17:51.32 | simonrvn | thing*, change* |
| 17:51.40 | simonrvn | !shoot my typist |
| 17:51.40 | dpkg | blows my typist away with a German Luger |
| 17:52.00 | Supaplex | i'm happy with the debian website |
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| 17:52.27 | dury | ubuntu it's for dummies |
| 17:52.32 | dryrot | wols: http://pastie.org/206448 |
| 17:52.49 | blubberdiblub | !tell g00se -about rt2x00 |
| 17:53.19 | dury | well I use it but debian gives me another chance |
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| 17:54.02 | spec_ | What does it mean when a process is bracketed? ie: [postmaster] ? |
| 17:54.09 | spec_ | (as per the output of 'ps') |
| 17:54.25 | superfirelord42 | personally, to me, ubuntu and all the others are on the smae level, they all have their advantages and disadvantages.. |
| 17:54.54 | g00se | blubberdiblub: This is what lspci gave: > 05:00.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
| 17:54.57 | simonrvn | spec_: what state does it have? |
| 17:55.13 | wols | !tell g00se abour rt61 |
| 17:55.37 | dury | well... nothing better than linux .... :-) |
| 17:55.44 | spec_ | simonrvn: S |
| 17:56.15 | spec_ | simonrvn: i've got 12 or so of 'em, here's a line. |
| 17:56.17 | simonrvn | spec_: anything other than 0 in mem used? |
| 17:56.19 | spec_ | postgres 16001 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 07:13 0:00 [postmaster] |
| 17:56.24 | wols | dryrot: you already have routes set |
| 17:56.29 | simonrvn | it's dead. |
| 17:56.32 | spec_ | simonrvn: and i just shutdown both postgres instances. |
| 17:56.45 | wols | !tell g00se about rt61 |
| 17:56.46 | spec_ | hmm, it's dead. but why does it show up then? |
| 17:56.51 | simonrvn | stop it again, check ps again. |
| 17:56.59 | dryrot | wols: I do. i don't have a route set for the 10.0.0.0 network . i want to reach the 10.0.0.0 network. is that impossible ? |
| 17:57.01 | simonrvn | hasn't been cleaned up. |
| 17:57.04 | spec_ | simonrvn: one of 'em has an 11 |
| 17:57.05 | spec_ | for pcu |
| 17:57.08 | spec_ | cpu* |
| 17:57.08 | g00se | wols: Thanks. I built the rt61 from source. Works (i think ;-)) |
| 17:57.30 | wols | dryrot: you have a route as shown with route -n to 10.10.0.0 |
| 17:57.34 | simonrvn | check the log. looks like it wasn't stopped properly. |
| 17:57.40 | wols | and the rest is handled by default route |
| 17:57.52 | simonrvn | something odd happened, certainly. |
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| 17:58.00 | spec_ | simonrvn: alright, thanks. |
| 17:58.07 | spec_ | do the brackets have any specific meaning? |
| 17:58.22 | spec_ | i usually associated them with kernel processes, but now i suppose i'm wrong... ;) |
| 17:58.23 | dryrot | wols: what route would i need so that i can reach 10.0.0.0 and 10.10.0.0 ? do i need to set a more specific route for the 10.10.0.0 network ? |
| 17:58.50 | wols | dryrot: you already have all the routes. each interface has one |
| 17:59.15 | \amethyst | spec_: it means the process's arguments are unavailable to ps for whatever reason |
| 17:59.26 | wols | dryrot: there is no 10.0.0.0 network anywhere to be seen |
| 17:59.31 | g00se | blubberdiblub: you're not in the UK are you by any chance? |
| 17:59.40 | simonrvn | spec_: yeh, it's in process of getting repeaed by the kernel (if i'm not mistaken), and about to disappear from memory, but since they're Sleeping, means, that they got put in that state by the kernel or some external means. |
| 17:59.49 | simonrvn | reaped* |
| 17:59.52 | blubberdiblub | g00se, no, sorry, .de here |
| 18:00.22 | g00se | blubberdiblub: (looking for someone who's used BTOpenzone ;-)) |
| 18:00.35 | spec_ | simonrvn: well, would it help if i told you a bunch of scripts ran accidently it seems that overlapped each other? ( each one was a vacuum script ) |
| 18:00.35 | dryrot | wols: there is a 10.0.0.0 network on the same net as the machine with the openvpn ip of 10.8.142.37 . how do i tell the machine to route traffic to the 10.0.0.0 net through 10.8.142.37 ? or is that impossible ? |
| 18:01.21 | simonrvn | spec_: the vacuum process is ok, it's run from cron (IIRC), but a few at once? that's odd. |
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| 18:01.27 | psycodad | i need to partition and format an ext. usb drive for use from linux and win2k, what of the many FATish FS should I choose ? plain FAT16 ? |
| 18:01.41 | spec_ | simonrvn: a bunch. like 15. |
| 18:02.09 | pozic | psycodad: fat32, AFAIK |
| 18:02.15 | antgel | !fat32 |
| 18:02.15 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 18:02.21 | pozic | psycodad: which is called vfat |
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| 18:02.24 | simonrvn | ok, i'd also run a database check beofre you start up postgres again. |
| 18:02.39 | antgel | what a shit factoid |
| 18:02.50 | dury | what's the command to see a kind of machine I'm running? |
| 18:02.50 | nrs___ | dumb question for you folks... |
| 18:02.58 | wols | dryrot: it's already done. you set the vpn network as default route |
| 18:03.20 | superfirelord42 | go ahead nrs___ what ever it is, i have asked dumber.... |
| 18:03.24 | wols | dryrot: that's gibberish. what do you want to "see"? |
| 18:03.31 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 18:03.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:03.32 | psycodad | pozic: thx, i am looking at cfdisk's type selection would that perhaps be 0b "W95 FAT32" ? |
| 18:03.38 | pozic | dury: you could walk to the store and maybe find a similar machine as yours. |
| 18:04.04 | nrs___ | why do ipv4 connections show up as ipv6 connections in netstat? |
| 18:04.11 | dury | pozic: good on you :) |
| 18:04.12 | nrs___ | i'm running an amd64-xen kernel |
| 18:04.28 | pozic | psycodad: I don't have the list before me, but I guess so. Is there some "extended" entry also? |
| 18:04.32 | nrs___ | very weird |
| 18:04.40 | nrs___ | can't seem to figure it out |
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| 18:05.03 | wols | dury: what do you want to "see"? |
| 18:05.29 | superfirelord42 | nrs___: as a guest? |
| 18:05.31 | psycodad | pozic: there is 0F "W95 Ext'd (LBA)" - you mean that ? |
| 18:05.37 | nrs___ | no....domU |
| 18:05.40 | pozic | dury: cat /proc/cpuinfo is probably what you want. |
| 18:05.44 | nrs___ | er...dom0 |
| 18:05.52 | dury | wols: the type of my machine |
| 18:06.01 | superfirelord42 | oh, i am not up to date with xen... |
| 18:06.02 | pozic | psycodad: that's what I mean, yes, but you might want someone else to confirm it. |
| 18:06.20 | pozic | psycodad: or like, read some manual (I am sure that it's documented somewhere). |
| 18:06.21 | psycodad | pozic: ty much, i try to confirm by google ;) |
| 18:06.24 | simonrvn | nrs___: e.g., ::WWW.XXX.YYY.ZZZ ? |
| 18:06.35 | dryrot | wols: for instance i want to be able to ping 10.0.0.133 from 10.10.0.89 |
| 18:06.37 | wols | dury: you hae PC |
| 18:06.54 | wols | dryrot: enable ip forwarding in the machines in between |
| 18:07.02 | wols | or at least those with 2 or more interfaces |
| 18:07.22 | nrs___ | simon...yes...something like that....somtimes the last octet is truncated |
| 18:07.24 | BubbaT | I'm partitioning a hard drive on a new computer for a fresh install. When I get to adding /dev/sda16 I keep running into problems. During a debian install I get the message: "Error informing the kernel about modifications to /dev/sda16 -- Invalid Argument." If I boot from a live CD and run gparted I get the same message. I can create a partition using fdisk, but when I reboot the device isn't there. I can make it with mknod |
| 18:07.24 | BubbaT | but when I try to format it I get the following error: "/dev/sda16 is the entire device, not just one partition". |
| 18:07.45 | dryrot | wols: i have ip forwarding turned on on 10.0.0.133 and 10.10.0.89 . what is interesting is am able to ping 10.10.0.89 from 10.0.0.133 . just not the other way around. |
| 18:08.44 | dury | wols: yeah old pc Ibm netvista 6269 |
| 18:09.02 | wols | dury: why do you ask if you know? |
| 18:09.04 | simonrvn | nrs___: that just means the process supports ipv6. that's just an ipv6 address translated from an ipv4 one. being truncated is probably just netstat's output from another column is pushing the other column "off-screen". |
| 18:09.04 | nrs___ | simonrvn: is this normal behavior? |
| 18:09.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:09.12 | wols | dury: for the LAST time. WHAT do you want to "see"? |
| 18:09.39 | simonrvn | ::ffff:192.168.1.1:XX |
| 18:09.49 | nrs___ | but the connection is being made via IPv4....why doesn't netstat seperate them? |
| 18:09.51 | dury | wols: through a command the type of my machine |
| 18:10.06 | simonrvn | i don't have an ipv6 address configured for that one |
| 18:10.13 | simonrvn | nrs___: it does |
| 18:10.32 | simonrvn | nrs___: see the tcp6 ? |
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| 18:10.41 | wols | man uname |
| 18:10.41 | simonrvn | (or udp) |
| 18:10.51 | nrs___ | simonrvn: i'm SSH'ing to the machine using its v4 addy |
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| 18:11.00 | dryrot | wols: I want to be able to successfully ping hosts on the 10.10.0.0 network from the 10.0.0.0 network. i want to be able to access port 3306 on a machine on the 10.0.0.0 network from a machine on the 10.10.0.0 network |
| 18:11.01 | nrs___ | but when i do a netstat |
| 18:11.01 | wols | dury: "type" is a bullshit word here. so until you can say what you want to see: go away |
| 18:11.07 | simonrvn | nrs___: it's completely normal |
| 18:11.10 | nrs___ | it shows up as a tcp6 connection |
| 18:11.29 | wols | nrs___: oüv6 is a superset of ipv4 |
| 18:11.37 | nrs___ | i would have thought it would be under the tcp section |
| 18:11.38 | wols | *ipv6 |
| 18:11.51 | nrs___ | if it's normal, no biggie |
| 18:11.57 | nrs___ | but i'm not used to seeing it |
| 18:12.02 | dury | wols: pozic gave me a command... is there other one that gives me another kind of information of the features of my machine? |
| 18:12.18 | wols | !tell dury about what's my hardware |
| 18:12.35 | dury | great thanks |
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| 18:28.43 | dr_watson | Hi, I cannot connect to FTP servers. I realise there's a possibility this has been blocked by my isp. As it's in the middle of the weekend, I cannot contact them. Is there anything on my own system that can be blocking ftp connections? |
| 18:29.08 | dury | !tell dury list hardware |
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| 18:29.57 | dury | !tell me command list hardware |
| 18:30.02 | asg | dury: /msg the bot |
| 18:30.46 | asg | dr_watson: if you are running a host-based firewall that blocks outbound connections, then yes. Otherwise, no. |
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| 18:32.25 | dury | :) |
| 18:32.28 | dr_watson | asg: My firewall isn't blocking outbound connections |
| 18:33.09 | dr_watson | asg: never heard of any isp that prevented ftp connections.. :( |
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| 18:33.34 | wols | dr_watson: companies very often do |
| 18:33.53 | asg | dr_watson: and you can't get to something ubiquitous like ftp.kernel.org? What does telnet ftp.kernel.org 21 reveal? |
| 18:33.58 | melch | I'm a linux newb but a long time OSX user with quicksilver love. For some reason the open url pluging will not boot up firefox 3. Also i would like to know how to change the background picture. Any help would be great. Thanks |
| 18:34.14 | Nyle | omg |
| 18:34.20 | dr_watson | wols okay, but I'm on my home net here.. |
| 18:34.29 | Nyle | dr_watson, hehe from windows |
| 18:34.50 | wols | no, from Sir Doyle |
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| 18:35.31 | wols | melch: where did you get your firefox3? |
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| 18:35.50 | dr_watson | asg hang on a sec, I'l check |
| 18:36.03 | dury | melch: I'm going to help you to change the background, right? |
| 18:36.21 | dr_watson | Nyle: ? |
| 18:36.34 | Nyle | dr_watson, I'm very easily amused. |
| 18:36.47 | melch | dury, okay please |
| 18:37.01 | dr_watson | Nyle, I just don't understand why you said "windows"... |
| 18:37.01 | wols | melch: what debian branch do you run? |
| 18:37.14 | melch | wols, etch |
| 18:37.23 | wols | melch: there is no ffox3 for etch |
| 18:37.39 | Nyle | dr_watson, do you know dr. watson? |
| 18:37.40 | melch | compiled it |
| 18:37.46 | dr_watson | asg: this is what happens when I use ncftp to connect to kernel.org: I get connected, but when running 'ls', I get "List failed." |
| 18:38.01 | wols | dr_watson: enable passive ftp |
| 18:38.13 | dr_watson | Nyle, Im a connan doyle fan... don't know what it has to do w/ windows |
| 18:38.15 | melch | dury, where should we start |
| 18:38.25 | dury | I thought he wants to change the desktop background sorry |
| 18:38.26 | dr_watson | wols okay |
| 18:38.26 | Nyle | dr_watson, google drwaston windows |
| 18:38.45 | dr_watson | Nyle, something tells me I shouldnt... :-) |
| 18:38.46 | wols | dr_watson: what router do you have? |
| 18:38.49 | dury | sorry melch |
| 18:39.07 | Nyle | dr_watson, its a well known debugger for windows |
| 18:39.09 | dr_watson | wols: I'm running on my appartment bldgs wireless net. don't know |
| 18:39.14 | Nyle | its called DR WATSON |
| 18:39.33 | inigo | !tell dury about what's my hardware |
| 18:39.37 | Eulex | it's also very useless |
| 18:39.40 | melch | dury, does that mean no go |
| 18:39.44 | wols | dr_watson: very likely your apt building's router is fscking up your ftp connection then |
| 18:40.05 | wols | Eulex: that goes without saying. just look who made it |
| 18:40.15 | jstephenson | When it come to selecting apt sources (as per sources.list) ... is there like a list to choose from somewhere? |
| 18:40.18 | Eulex | :) |
| 18:40.25 | wols | !tell jstephenson about mirrors |
| 18:40.45 | dr_watson | Nyle, that kinda sucks. don't use windows myself. a shame to get it mixed up with fine literature :-/ |
| 18:40.55 | dr_watson | wols: oh... |
| 18:41.14 | dr_watson | wols: would there be any way to work around that? |
| 18:41.16 | dury | wols: what should I type in terminal to see etch or other... i'm running? |
| 18:41.51 | dury | wols: I mean debian etch or other one |
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| 18:42.35 | wols | !tell dury about version |
| 18:42.38 | inigo | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:42.54 | inigo | or lsb_release -a if you have it installed |
| 18:43.17 | jstephenson | wols: Mirrors yes but in terms of what to stick after that ... the kinda testing, main, contrib etc etc ... is there some info about those somewhere, or they do correlate to a directory structure somewhere etc? |
| 18:43.31 | wols | jstephenson: man sources.list |
| 18:44.23 | Eulex | dr_watson, well, you could setup a proxy for ftp (in a place that has ftp access) that delivers it through one of the ports that your isp doesn't block |
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| 18:45.12 | dr_watson | Eulex: allright, that sounds like quite a project. think I rather bring my laptop to a net that allows ftp access. thanks for the help |
| 18:45.36 | jstephenson | wols: Thanks |
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| 19:02.50 | ggeecko | if I wanna host a lan party do I need a switch? |
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| 19:03.31 | StyXman | hi all. I'm trying to install with the testing netinst copied to a usb stic, and it complains that "failed to determine the codename for the release". any hints? |
| 19:04.21 | wols | !d-i |
| 19:04.21 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 19:11.48 | davi | Has the unicode branch already been merged on CVS trunk? |
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| 19:12.56 | wols | davi: probably wrong channel |
| 19:13.06 | davi | yep, sorry |
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| 19:13.31 | WarriorSlayer | anyone can help me with installing java jdk for development in debian etch? |
| 19:13.43 | wols | !tell WarriorSlayer about install java |
| 19:14.48 | WarriorSlayer | ty ^ |
| 19:14.50 | WarriorSlayer | ^^ |
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| 19:16.18 | stiv2k | Hello is it possible to use Wake-On-Lan (WOL) over WiFi devices? |
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| 19:16.58 | pumpkin0 | stiv2k: transmitting WOL-packages over WLAN is possible. But the receiving NIC has to be wired. |
| 19:17.24 | stiv2k | pumpkin0: so I cannot wake up a machine if it is only connected via WiFi? |
| 19:17.58 | pumpkin0 | stiv2k: right. WLAN-cards don't do WOL |
| 19:18.17 | stiv2k | pumpkin0: damn... |
| 19:19.32 | pumpkin0 | stiv2k: set a timmer in the BIOS or connect via ethernet. |
| 19:20.15 | Nyle | !wol |
| 19:20.15 | dpkg | from memory, wol is Wake on LAN, powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: 'etherwake', 'wakeonlan'. Online WOL services: http://stephan.mestrona.net/wol/ http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/mobile |
| 19:20.33 | stiv2k | pumpkin0: it's a remote machine... I was hoping I would be able to wake it up whenever I wanted if I needed to retrieve files from it or whatnot.... but its physical location in my house kind of eliminates the possibility to use ethernet. |
| 19:21.15 | pumpkin0 | stiv2k: use a WLAN-bridge and connect it to the bridge ? |
| 19:21.37 | stiv2k | pumpkin0: good idea :) |
| 19:21.44 | pumpkin0 | stiv2k: or put the files on another PC. |
| 19:22.06 | stiv2k | hey do most BIOS have the option to turn the machine back on after a loss of A/C power? |
| 19:22.23 | WarriorSlayer | !tell WarriorSlayer about install java |
| 19:22.33 | stiv2k | I would like to enable that on my server... but it's pretty old, I'm not sure if it supports that |
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| 19:22.48 | pumpkin0 | stiv2k: only one way to find out .... |
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| 19:23.08 | stiv2k | pumpkin0: yeah... but I am away from it currently |
| 19:23.14 | stiv2k | I will have to look tomorrow when I get back to my place |
| 19:23.32 | dury | lsb_release -a the same command in debian as in ubuntu |
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| 19:25.22 | ChArLeS_^ | ae |
| 19:25.28 | pumpkin0 | dury: "apt-get install lsb-release" ? |
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| 19:25.48 | dury | anyone knows an url to get fashion linux wallpapers for desktop? |
| 19:25.57 | Supaplex | dilvie.com? |
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| 19:28.27 | WarriorSlayer | guys i'm trying to instal jdk by apt-get -t etch-backports install sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:28.34 | WarriorSlayer | but apt-get don't get the dependencies |
| 19:29.09 | dury | Java plugin for firefox? |
| 19:29.27 | WarriorSlayer | nope |
| 19:29.30 | WarriorSlayer | java for development |
| 19:29.47 | dury | www.sun .com |
| 19:29.49 | ChArLeS_^ | hey |
| 19:29.53 | WarriorSlayer | btw i'm using amd64 etch version of debian |
| 19:29.56 | dury | sorry sun.com |
| 19:30.05 | WarriorSlayer | dury, ive downloaded the .bin of the jdk |
| 19:30.08 | ChArLeS_^ | Why the f. is freenode requiring registration ? |
| 19:30.20 | WarriorSlayer | but when i runned sh in the .bin, it only created a directory |
| 19:30.25 | ChArLeS_^ | it used to be free now that sucking registration ? WHY ? |
| 19:31.00 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: don't mix the debian and sun.com version. What debian are you running ? |
| 19:31.09 | dury | getting late over here |
| 19:31.10 | WarriorSlayer | etch |
| 19:31.13 | WarriorSlayer | amd64 |
| 19:31.21 | pumpkin0 | ChArLeS_^: ask the freenode help-channel not us. |
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| 19:31.51 | dury | see you all soon, byeee :) |
| 19:31.59 | WarriorSlayer | bye dury ^^ |
| 19:32.24 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: and your backports-repos are up-to-date (read "apt-get update"?) |
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| 19:32.31 | WarriorSlayer | yep |
| 19:32.34 | WarriorSlayer | all up to date |
| 19:32.40 | simonrvn | ChArLeS_^: still is free |
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| 19:32.44 | WarriorSlayer | i've like placed it in the sources.list today XD |
| 19:32.53 | WarriorSlayer | and done apt-get update |
| 19:33.17 | WarriorSlayer | but i've already tried installing all kinds of java from the backports but always have a dependencie and apt-get dont install it |
| 19:33.47 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: what package causes the problem. |
| 19:33.57 | WarriorSlayer | sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:34.02 | WarriorSlayer | requiser sun-java6-jre |
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| 19:34.14 | WarriorSlayer | that requires sun-java6-bin and a lot more of dependencies |
| 19:34.42 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: and these don't install with what error-msg ? |
| 19:36.25 | WarriorSlayer | let me try to tell u the msg |
| 19:36.44 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: i can red french, just post the one line ... |
| 19:37.00 | WarriorSlayer | hmm my debian is in brazilian portugues |
| 19:37.02 | WarriorSlayer | but |
| 19:37.11 | WarriorSlayer | it says that have dependencies and for that it wont be installed |
| 19:37.28 | WarriorSlayer | sun-java6-jdk: Depende: sun-java6-jre (= 6-00-2~bpo.1) mas não vai ser instalado |
| 19:37.34 | WarriorSlayer | depende = depends |
| 19:37.45 | WarriorSlayer | mas não vai ser instalado = it won't be installed |
| 19:38.13 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre install sun-java6-bin". |
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| 19:38.27 | WarriorSlayer | let me try |
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| 19:40.50 | WarriorSlayer | pumpkin0, sun-java6-bin can't be installed because it needs jre :/ |
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| 19:41.08 | WarriorSlayer | its like bin needs jre and jre needs bin |
| 19:41.08 | pumpkin0 | WarriorSlayer: but you did include -jre in the list? |
| 19:41.15 | samantha- | is there a full howto (rather than a partial description) of setting up wlan w/wpa under etch/lenny? |
| 19:41.18 | WarriorSlayer | yep |
| 19:41.21 | WarriorSlayer | i've included |
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| 19:42.06 | wols | WarriorSlayer: then install both at the same apt line |
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| 19:42.16 | WarriorSlayer | let me try |
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| 19:43.31 | WarriorSlayer | the problem is right here |
| 19:43.40 | WarriorSlayer | ia32-sun-java6-bin: Depende: sun-java6-jre (= 6-00-2~bpo.1) mas 6-06-1~bpo40+1 está para ser instalado |
| 19:43.48 | WarriorSlayer | ia32-sun-java6-bin |
| 19:44.05 | pumpkin0 | ia32 ??? |
| 19:44.06 | wols | WarriorSlayer: export LANG=C |
| 19:44.14 | wols | then pastebin your commandline and all the output there |
| 19:44.14 | WarriorSlayer | needs sun-java6-jre 6-00-2~bpo.1 but will be installed the 6-06-1~bpo40+1 |
| 19:44.21 | WarriorSlayer | because of amd64 |
| 19:44.34 | pumpkin0 | ia32 is not AMD. That's not even PC... |
| 19:44.42 | WarriorSlayer | @_@ |
| 19:44.47 | wols | pumpkin0: huh? |
| 19:44.53 | wols | WarriorSlayer: please do what I told you |
| 19:45.03 | WarriorSlayer | wols, how i do this export with lang thing? |
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| 19:45.15 | wols | like I typed it |
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| 19:45.54 | WarriorSlayer | after all the apt-get command i write export LANG=C? |
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| 19:46.04 | wols | you do it first. as I typed it |
| 19:46.24 | WarriorSlayer | k |
| 19:46.49 | sfw`hone | pumpkin0: why not PC? ia - Intell Architecture |
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| 19:47.00 | wols | sfw`hone: he's just mistaken |
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| 19:47.54 | WarriorSlayer | wols, http://pastebin.com/d39181f18 |
| 19:48.02 | wols | WarriorSlayer: also the output of apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre and apt-cache policy sun-java6-bin |
| 19:48.45 | pumpkin0 | so they renamed the old ia64 back to itanium, named the normal x86 ia32 and AMD64 gets the now ia64 ... ? |
| 19:48.47 | WarriorSlayer | how do i get that output? |
| 19:48.55 | wols | pumpkin0: no |
| 19:48.59 | wols | pumpkin0: nothing was renamed |
| 19:49.11 | wols | WarriorSlayer: by running the commands I gave you |
| 19:49.18 | WarriorSlayer | oh srry i gonna try ^^ |
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| 19:49.30 | wols | WarriorSlayer: are you in i386 or amd64? |
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| 19:50.16 | WarriorSlayer | amd64 |
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| 19:50.47 | WarriorSlayer | wols, http://pastebin.com/d45539e7b |
| 19:50.50 | wols | then the ia32 package is very very wrong |
| 19:50.55 | [unix] | amd64 is old good amd64 |
| 19:51.07 | WarriorSlayer | yep i've noticed that |
| 19:51.17 | WarriorSlayer | ia32 try to depends on a amd64 based jre |
| 19:51.24 | wols | seems bpo's java is broken |
| 19:51.25 | WarriorSlayer | ops on a x86 based jre |
| 19:51.29 | WarriorSlayer | yep |
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| 19:51.36 | WarriorSlayer | because bpo40 is x86 |
| 19:51.37 | wols | use etch's java5 then |
| 19:51.52 | WarriorSlayer | hmm from backport? |
| 19:51.55 | WarriorSlayer | or etch main? |
| 19:52.01 | wols | no |
| 19:52.04 | [unix] | amd64 jre (sun official) is damn slow :(( |
| 19:52.06 | wols | read the factoid again |
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| 19:52.26 | WarriorSlayer | factoid? |
| 19:52.39 | Aaron | hey i have a question how come.. when i installed a new kernel by apt grub doesn't show it in the Menu? |
| 19:52.41 | Aaron | any ideas? |
| 19:52.50 | wols | [unix]: can't have linux amd64 compete with Solaris SPARC64. who'd buy all those shiny SPARC servers for Java then? |
| 19:52.52 | Corty | hm, anyone using his own udev rules? :) |
| 19:53.02 | wols | Aaron: how did you install it exactyl? |
| 19:53.04 | [unix] | wols: no |
| 19:53.11 | Aaron | wols, apt-get install kernel-image |
| 19:53.13 | [unix] | java on amd64 is SERVER |
| 19:53.27 | [unix] | she eats memory as snacks =\\ |
| 19:53.27 | wols | *whooosh* |
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| 19:53.40 | wols | [unix]: that was the joke going over your head. good day |
| 19:54.02 | wols | Aaron: that was not the line |
| 19:54.06 | WarriorSlayer | wols, thanks man i think sun-java5-jdk worked ^^ |
| 19:54.09 | WarriorSlayer | ty very much |
| 19:54.24 | simonrvn | wols: *whooosh* |
| 19:54.28 | chetnick | hi, i just installed debian. I have a bunch of ports open on initial install. Can somebody tell me what are this ports for and do i need them? 127.0.0.1:2208 127.0.0.1:46408 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:52020 |
| 19:54.36 | [unix] | wols: but I need java for home use, and if even i have 8Gb RAM - my RAM isnt limitless |
| 19:54.36 | Aaron | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 19:54.40 | simonrvn | that was the air flowing around you |
| 19:54.45 | simonrvn | !k7 |
| 19:54.45 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 19:54.49 | wols | simonrvn: *plonk* |
| 19:54.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:55.04 | Aaron | but the grub menu doesn't update |
| 19:55.10 | Aaron | how can i update the grub...? |
| 19:55.11 | Aaron | menu? |
| 19:55.15 | simonrvn | wols: how are you today? |
| 19:55.20 | [unix] | Aaron: write it by hands? |
| 19:55.21 | wols | Aaron: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 19:55.24 | [unix] | ^^ |
| 19:55.36 | wols | Aaron: and the output of cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:55.40 | simonrvn | !k7 dropped |
| 19:55.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 19:56.09 | Aaron | wols, but before... it used to put it automaticly grub |
| 19:56.12 | Aaron | i do not know what happend to it |
| 19:56.18 | wols | Aaron: do what I told you |
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| 19:56.40 | simonrvn | wols: did you really plonk me? |
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| 19:56.51 | Aaron | wols, how can i installed Nvidia? |
| 19:56.52 | Aaron | drivers? |
| 19:57.14 | wols | Aaron: either you do what I told you or you can go away. come back when you can follow simple instructions |
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| 19:57.34 | Aaron | wols, i need to installed nvidia |
| 19:57.45 | wols | Aaron: stop talking to me. goodbye |
| 19:57.51 | Aaron | fuck off then |
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| 19:58.01 | versuchsanstalt | Aaron: to answer your kernel question, you should compare the installed kernel versions with what's configured in /etc/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:58.24 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea how I might manually execute a wait(2) on a defunct process to get rid of it? I don't want to kill the parent process, but it's apparently forgotten about the subprocess in question. |
| 19:58.38 | wols | !zombie |
| 19:58.38 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 19:58.40 | versuchsanstalt | Aaron: then you'll know if everything was automagically updated with your install |
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| 19:59.07 | Aaron | versuchsanstalt, but how can i changed it? |
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| 19:59.28 | tvynr | wols: Thanks. I take it there's no way I can execute a wait(2) on an arbitrary process with a given PID even with root permissions? |
| 19:59.34 | versuchsanstalt | Aaron: that's not the point. first you'll have to find out if you can safely reboot. |
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| 19:59.39 | wols | tvynr: no |
| 19:59.41 | testyahoo | test |
| 19:59.46 | tvynr | wols: Well, worth trying. Thanks. :) |
| 19:59.50 | chetnick | hi, i just installed debian. I have a bunch of ports open on initial install. Can somebody tell me what are this ports for and do i need them? 127.0.0.1:2208 127.0.0.1:46408 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:52020 |
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| 20:00.30 | wols | tvynr: you don't know where the IP pointer insde the process points to, or if it actually does point anywhere you can write to safely.eg. it might be inside the kernel in which case you cannot just enter a wait() in there |
| 20:00.46 | wols | chetnick: as root: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 20:00.51 | simonrvn | hm, i guess he really did. you should consider taking a break from here wols. my joke was just meant as that, a joke. |
| 20:01.01 | wols | chetnick: 111 is portmap, 113 is identd |
| 20:01.13 | wols | chetnick: the rest are non standard |
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| 20:01.36 | Nostie_ | what's better? debian or ubuntu? |
| 20:01.39 | tvynr | wols: *nods* Gotcha. My assumption was that the parent had already discarded any reference to the child and that the worst thing that could happen if I zapped the child with my own wait was a segfault on the part of the parent (which would kill it, which is the prescribed course of action anyway). Thanks for the explanation. :) |
| 20:01.45 | simonrvn | !better |
| 20:01.45 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:01.55 | markybob | !why debian |
| 20:01.55 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 20:02.29 | tvynr | Nostie_: You just strolled into an IRC channel about Debian and asked if it's "better" than something. I do hope you were prepared for biased answers. :) |
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| 20:02.51 | wols | chetnick: btw, if you used a portscanner like nmap, it's shit. debian always installs a MTA on port 25 |
| 20:02.52 | Corty | lol |
| 20:03.17 | simonrvn | it's useless to run nmap on localhost, too... |
| 20:03.21 | WarriorSlayer | wols, dude just one more question, how i can get my ntfs partitions working in write mode? |
| 20:03.30 | wols | !tell WarriorSlayer about ntfs-3g |
| 20:03.43 | WarriorSlayer | i've added then in fstab with the user,umask=0 settings but only works in ro mode |
| 20:03.49 | WarriorSlayer | oh ty ^^ |
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| 20:04.06 | wols | WarriorSlayer: you _might_ want to upgrade your etch to lenny/testing btw. amd64 was a bit rough when etch came out. lots of improvements since then |
| 20:04.17 | chetnick | wols: i didnt use nmap i just used netstat -tan, i know about port 25 i was just wondering about the other ports, now i did netstat -anp |grep LIST like you told me and see which services are runing on ports that i asked for. Thanks. |
| 20:04.17 | wols | WarriorSlayer: even java6 might work then (no backports) |
| 20:05.09 | WarriorSlayer | wols, i know, but i've tried to dist upgrade to lenny this week and my nvidia driver can't compile because it didn't found the kernel source directory |
| 20:05.15 | WarriorSlayer | and the x server didn't start too |
| 20:05.18 | o2T7 | Nostie_: You should better do that question at #ubuntu xD |
| 20:05.39 | wols | WarriorSlayer: a) do NOT use nvidia isntallers b) lenny comes with kernels and sources/headers for it both |
| 20:05.44 | ReveL | Bye |
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| 20:05.48 | WarriorSlayer | and i've tried to look for answers and the only answer ive got is installing linux-heades-'uname -r' |
| 20:05.51 | WarriorSlayer | but didnt work |
| 20:06.01 | Nostie_ | o2T7: oh noooo |
| 20:06.04 | WarriorSlayer | wols, what i use instead of nvidia installers then? |
| 20:06.07 | simonrvn | um, backticks, not single quotes |
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| 20:06.08 | versuchsanstalt | Nostie_: don't listen to them all. debian is the best, they're all just afraid to tell you ;-) |
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| 20:06.13 | simonrvn | WarriorSlayer: um, backticks, not single quotes |
| 20:06.13 | wols | WarriorSlayer: the nvidia packages from debian |
| 20:06.25 | wols | WarriorSlayer: if needed, backport the ones from sid (for the newer chips) |
| 20:06.27 | simonrvn | `` not '' |
| 20:06.31 | Nostie_ | versuchsanstalt: i agree with you :P |
| 20:06.53 | WarriorSlayer | wols, how i can unninstall the nvidia driver i've installed with the installer? |
| 20:06.56 | wols | WarriorSlayer: waht nvidia chip? |
| 20:06.57 | samantha- | is there a full howto (rather than a partial description) of setting up a broadcom wlan w/wpa under etch/lenny? |
| 20:06.59 | J_t_M | Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to how I can build a deb for a kernel module? |
| 20:07.00 | wols | WarriorSlayer: you can't. |
| 20:07.02 | WarriorSlayer | 7300 |
| 20:07.06 | WarriorSlayer | damn |
| 20:07.08 | tvynr | WarriorSlayer: There's a flag you can pass to the installer. |
| 20:07.17 | wols | that is supported by etch and by testing and sid out of the box |
| 20:07.19 | simonrvn | J_t_M: /msg dpkg k-p and b-e |
| 20:07.19 | tvynr | WarriorSlayer: At least, there was about a year ago when I last used it. |
| 20:07.20 | WarriorSlayer | i've already installed the nvidia installer in etch |
| 20:07.51 | wols | WarriorSlayer: ask #nvidia. they should know |
| 20:07.55 | WarriorSlayer | which package i need to install to get nvidia driver working? |
| 20:07.59 | WarriorSlayer | wols, ty ^^ |
| 20:08.09 | wols | !tell WarriorSlayer about nvidia-one-liner |
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| 20:08.35 | tvynr | WarriorSlayer: NVIDIA-blah-blah.run --uninstall |
| 20:08.39 | Patric1 | How can I check how many pages of kernel memory are free ? |
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| 20:08.52 | tvynr | WarriorSlayer: If you passed it any parameters on installation, you might need to pass it those same parameters to uninstall. |
| 20:08.55 | wols | Patric1: what is "kernel memory"? |
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| 20:09.06 | WarriorSlayer | tvynr, oh ty man ^^ |
| 20:09.14 | master_of_master | hi, how can I rename a ethernet device? like eth0:=eth5 |
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| 20:09.26 | wols | master_of_master: ifrename. or udev |
| 20:09.28 | tvynr | WarriorSlayer: np. And welcome to the light. The deb packages do the work for you. :-D |
| 20:09.45 | wols | WarriorSlayer: and they work still after you upgrade your debian |
| 20:10.01 | WarriorSlayer | cool ^^ |
| 20:10.04 | J_t_M | simonrvn: Does that cover just specific kernel modules? |
| 20:10.05 | WarriorSlayer | ty guys ^^ |
| 20:10.23 | simonrvn | J_t_M: what do you mean? |
| 20:10.39 | wols | WarriorSlayer: installing nvidia on lenny is trickier: sid backport needed usually, but also doable |
| 20:10.45 | Patric1 | wols: Memory that only kernel mode drivers and applications can access as opposed to user applications |
| 20:10.49 | simonrvn | read those again, they pertain to what you asked for. |
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| 20:11.30 | J_t_M | simonrvn: I've got the source for the USB-RNDIS Drivers which I need the latest features from on a couple of machines. |
| 20:11.56 | Corty | SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0ea0", SYSFS{idProduct}=="6828", NAME="keystick", SYMLINK+="keystick" |
| 20:12.01 | J_t_M | I don't want to keep having to build the kernel :) |
| 20:12.05 | Corty | What's wrong with this rule? |
| 20:12.14 | Corty | It doesn't create the symlink |
| 20:12.35 | firebird619 | Is there a way to move GRUB from one hard drive to another one? I have two drives installed and Debian installed GRUB to the wrong drive. I tried to specify where to install it when the installation asked, but for whatever reason it kept coming back and saying it failed so I just let it install to the MBR and hoped I could move it later on. |
| 20:13.07 | WarriorSlayer | wols, hmm but for just a matter of upgrading dontya? |
| 20:13.26 | WarriorSlayer | the xorg wong fail with that nvidia package installed in etch after i upgrade to lenny/sid? |
| 20:13.28 | wols | WarriorSlayer: ? |
| 20:13.32 | WarriorSlayer | *wont |
| 20:13.40 | wols | WarriorSlayer: depends what kernel you use |
| 20:13.48 | WarriorSlayer | hmm |
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| 20:14.30 | simonrvn | J_t_M: kernel-package (make-kpkg is the executable name) can handle modules; you can also do it via m-a (module-assistant). |
| 20:14.32 | wols | WarriorSlayer: with a new kernel you probably have to reinstall it |
| 20:15.18 | WarriorSlayer | hmm |
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| 20:15.25 | WarriorSlayer | but without it the xorg will fail to start gdm? |
| 20:15.29 | wols | J_t_M: only debian packaged sources. if you have your own sources you need to still make them manually or prepare them for m-a |
| 20:15.46 | wols | WarriorSlayer: yes. but it's no biggie. use vesa in the interim for example |
| 20:15.54 | wols | WarriorSlayer: or "nv" |
| 20:16.15 | WarriorSlayer | interim? |
| 20:16.16 | diabel- | Hi, debian testing is a good choice for school server? |
| 20:16.27 | wols | diabel-: no |
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| 20:16.36 | wols | diabel-: it's testing |
| 20:16.52 | wols | WarriorSlayer: while you recreate/reinstall the nvidia drivers |
| 20:16.55 | diabel- | wols: I know but I'm angry that stable haven't got squid3 stable4 |
| 20:17.05 | wols | !tell diabel- about bpo |
| 20:17.11 | wols | or even backport it yourself |
| 20:17.16 | diabel- | thanks ;) |
| 20:17.16 | markybob | squid4 stable4 is in backport |
| 20:18.04 | markybob | squid3* i meant |
| 20:18.14 | samantha- | this is pissing me off and i'm not getting anywhere. |
| 20:18.37 | markybob | samantha-, did you try sitting down? maybe it's a log and not piss |
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| 20:20.36 | WarriorSlayer | wols, but how i can set my x server after installed lenny/sid to work with vesa instead of nvidia so it wont crash? |
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| 20:23.12 | [unix] | WarriorSlayer: change 'Driver "nvidia"' to 'Driver "vesa"' in xorg.conf? |
| 20:23.18 | [unix] | or "nv", rly |
| 20:23.54 | WarriorSlayer | [unix], oh ty ^^ |
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| 20:25.04 | wols | !tell WarriorSlayer about drxx |
| 20:26.24 | Patric1 | wols: cat /proc/meminfo was what I was after |
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| 20:26.30 | WarriorSlayer | wols, with reconfigure the vesa will be used without i needing to edit the xorg.conf? |
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| 20:30.26 | HSorgYves | morning, i know i can build a binary package using dpkg-buildpackage -b; is there a way to clean the build directory afterwards? |
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| 20:45.42 | blubberdiblub | what does libft-perl (a package that defoma recommends) actually do? i'm a bit reluctant to remove that package. but i guess sooner or later i will have to, if i want to upgrade to perlapi-5.10.0 :/ |
| 20:46.24 | Eulex | blubberdiblub, it provides a perl module for rendering text with freetype |
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| 20:46.48 | Eulex | recommends are usually quite harmless to remove. |
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| 20:47.08 | blubberdiblub | Eulex, does that mean my scalable fonts won't be rendered anymore when i remove it? |
| 20:47.18 | Eulex | no |
| 20:47.43 | Eulex | blubberdiblub, 'recommends' means that some optional feature gets disabled if you remove it. |
| 20:47.57 | Eulex | scalable fonts have a higher priority than that. |
| 20:48.27 | akio | i am installing debian on an extremely old computer that only has EIDE, will the automatic partitioning put the kernel inside the first 1023 cylinders that is BIOS acessible? |
| 20:48.32 | blubberdiblub | Eulex, i do know about dependencies. but i can't decide whether to remove that package if i'm not sure what it actually does in my system |
| 20:48.46 | akio | so far I haven't been able to boot an install successfully |
| 20:49.13 | [unix] | akio: just create /boot partition first |
| 20:49.23 | [unix] | by hands |
| 20:49.33 | [unix] | and then any others |
| 20:49.35 | akio | i will after this install fails |
| 20:49.46 | [unix] | ok |
| 20:50.01 | akio | it takes a while to install so im crossing my fingers |
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| 20:52.05 | [unix] | look at i80486DX66 pinned to teh wall |
| 20:52.24 | Assid | err |
| 20:52.33 | Assid | thats a DX2 |
| 20:52.35 | Assid | not DX66 |
| 20:52.42 | Assid | the DX2 was 66mhz |
| 20:52.49 | [unix] | Assid: actually, it not even Intel |
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| 20:53.25 | [unix] | ùðá óêê |
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| 20:53.28 | [unix] | oh, err |
| 20:53.29 | Assid | grmm |
| 20:53.36 | [unix] | Assid: u're right :) |
| 20:53.42 | [unix] | removed cooler |
| 20:53.49 | plota | youohahh ohee |
| 20:53.49 | [unix] | i486 DX2 |
| 20:54.14 | Assid | i used to have it .. trust me .. it costed a pretty penny |
| 20:54.19 | [unix] | shame on me :( |
| 20:54.36 | [unix] | Assid: i worked on it in 1999 or probably 2000 |
| 20:54.42 | Assid | eeks |
| 20:54.44 | Assid | no no |
| 20:54.47 | plota | slack 4 rocks for old computers |
| 20:55.04 | [unix] | caus' my PII breaks |
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| 20:55.30 | Assid | after the dx2 we moved to dx4 then 75mhz then 133 then 166 then 200mmx |
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| 20:55.41 | Assid | i think the 166 was mmx too |
| 20:55.49 | [unix] | maybe |
| 20:55.52 | Assid | overclocked both of them to 210 and 250mhz |
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| 20:56.01 | Assid | the good ol days |
| 20:56.10 | [unix] | Assid: ) i used K6 |
| 20:56.17 | Assid | err |
| 20:56.24 | Assid | this is BEFORE the K6 era |
| 20:56.31 | Assid | k6 i think was 450mhz and on |
| 20:56.52 | [unix] | then moved to PII |
| 20:56.52 | [unix] | Assid: in our city it was hard to buy new PC in p1-era |
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| 20:57.12 | Assid | err.. we paid 100% import duty on those PC's |
| 20:57.16 | yaaar | hello |
| 20:57.37 | Assid | okay bed time |
| 20:57.43 | Assid | runs to see some stars |
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| 20:58.51 | |[unix]| | :( |
| 20:58.55 | yaaar | i just downloaded/burned the 4.0r netinstall cd and it booted fine, but after choosing language/kemap it freezes at 5% saying "Loading module 'floppy' for 'Linux Floppy'" |
| 20:59.09 | yaaar | my system doesn't have a floppy drive. anybody know what i can do to work around that? |
| 20:59.32 | S4nD3r | How to ping some IPs of my segment?? |
| 20:59.37 | yaaar | maybe a boot arg or something? |
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| 21:00.14 | |[unix]| | anyway, before k6 i used something very slow |
| 21:00.42 | [unix] | 386sx16 |
| 21:00.43 | [unix] | or something that type |
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| 21:00.53 | [unix] | i dont remember well |
| 21:01.17 | S4nD3r | Id like to know which are IPs of computers from my localnetwork!!! |
| 21:01.34 | dutchfish | 386sx has no coproc, it wont run debian |
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| 21:02.13 | [unix] | dutchfish: um |
| 21:02.24 | [unix] | on my board was coproc slot |
| 21:02.38 | dutchfish | 8087 ehe |
| 21:02.43 | [unix] | 387 |
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| 21:04.32 | dutchfish | S4nD3r: traceroute will tell you |
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| 21:05.23 | S4nD3r | sorry... I didnt see |
| 21:05.27 | dutchfish | S4nD3r: traceroute will tell you |
| 21:05.34 | S4nD3r | but |
| 21:05.43 | S4nD3r | Id like to know which are IPs of PCs of my network |
| 21:06.11 | dutchfish | S4nD3r: your subnet you mean or are there more then 1 subnet? |
| 21:06.23 | S4nD3r | just in one |
| 21:06.33 | S4nD3r | I used nmap !!! |
| 21:06.44 | S4nD3r | nmap 192.168.1.0-255 |
| 21:06.48 | S4nD3r | thanks for your help! |
| 21:06.54 | dutchfish | S4nD3r: on a lan you can (most of the time) do that |
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| 21:08.20 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 21:08.57 | dutchfish | S4nD3r: if the host allows it that is |
| 21:11.03 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 21:11.05 | S4nD3r | I understand |
| 21:11.08 | S4nD3r | Ive got go now |
| 21:11.10 | S4nD3r | see you |
| 21:11.11 | S4nD3r | thanks |
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| 21:30.39 | tinin | Hi, how could I start another graphical session with icewm on a different virtual desktop (Ctrl+Alt+F1), what's the command? |
| 21:31.14 | niekie | Hi NetEcho :-) |
| 21:31.20 | NetEcho | niekie :o |
| 21:31.33 | niekie | NetEcho: you seem suprised. |
| 21:31.37 | niekie | :-P |
| 21:31.40 | NetEcho | well your not on SN |
| 21:31.47 | niekie | NetEcho: SN? |
| 21:31.54 | NetEcho | err |
| 21:31.54 | NetEcho | DN |
| 21:32.04 | niekie | NetEcho: yes I am.. |
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| 21:32.13 | NetEcho | ah I'm just blind |
| 21:32.16 | Zwiebeltu | Hi. |
| 21:32.40 | Zwiebeltu | FYI: Disk works now. I had to change in the BIOS "RAID" from "IDE" to "AHCI". |
| 21:32.48 | Zwiebeltu | Bye. |
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| 21:33.39 | slxix | tinin: /ping slxix |
| 21:33.41 | slxix | oops |
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| 21:34.26 | th1 | hi, can anyone tell me how to run the same partition editior that the debian installer uses again after installing? |
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| 21:37.25 | tinin | slxix ? |
| 21:37.35 | th1 | ? |
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| 21:37.52 | tinin | th1 you can use gparted or qtparted |
| 21:37.55 | th1 | do I have to reboot into the installer again if I want to use that partition editor or is there a way to start it from inside a system? |
| 21:38.09 | cusco | or use cfdisk |
| 21:38.13 | th1 | tinin, but the one in the installer is nice because it supports LVM |
| 21:38.18 | gustaf1 | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 21:38.55 | th1 | otherwise are there any other nice "textgui" tools to manage lvm? |
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| 21:40.07 | gustaf1 | I've got two questions. 1. Does anyone know about when, OpenJDK/IcedTea will come to debian officially? 2. The web-plugin for OpenJDK/IcedTea doesn't seem to handle 3D (GL), will this be added eventually? |
| 21:40.18 | ninjaslim | hi guys, is there a way to mask certain packages from being updated |
| 21:41.15 | cusco | mark |
| 21:41.17 | cusco | !pinning |
| 21:41.17 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 21:41.59 | slxix | xinit -- :2 |
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| 21:42.53 | BubbaT | I'm partitioning a hard drive on a new computer for a fresh install. When I get to adding /dev/sda16 I keep running into problems. During a debian install I get the message: "Error informing the kernel about modifications to /dev/sda16 -- Invalid Argument." If I boot from a live CD and run gparted I get the same message. I can create a partition using fdisk, but when I reboot the device isn't there. I can make it with mknod |
| 21:42.53 | BubbaT | but when I try to format it I get the following error: "/dev/sda16 is the entire device, not just one partition". |
| 21:42.55 | ninjaslim | i'm running sid, that's the problem, i don't want to insall the latest kernel in sid because the ati drivers are not compatile with it |
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| 21:43.18 | th1 | BubbaT, its because a disk can have max. 15 partitions |
| 21:43.25 | th1 | use LVM |
| 21:43.59 | th1 | sda16 is = sdb ... |
| 21:44.28 | BubbaT | th1, do you have a cite for maqx partiitions? |
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| 21:45.44 | th1 | BubbaT, it's because of the way the disk driver works.. it creates a block device for each partition, but the major numbers are shared so each is only allocated 16 (0 is the whole disk, 1 is the first partition, etc.) and 16 is the next disk, 17 is the first partition on the 2nd disk and so on... |
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| 21:46.29 | th1 | I don't think it's a hard limit for extended partitions but it is for standard linux.. |
| 21:46.43 | th1 | if you use lvm you can create one big partition and inside create as many logical volumes as you want |
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| 21:47.57 | torrrrrrrrr | does the backup of windows from debian restorable from it, or do I have to reinstall windows? |
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| 21:48.46 | slxix | torrrrrrrrr: how did you backup windows? disk image? :) |
| 21:48.58 | Roums | hello |
| 21:49.22 | Roums | does anyone experienced an ext2 partition loss, and recovered something ? |
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| 21:50.00 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: actually i didn't yet, i am just exploring my options |
| 21:50.20 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: but I don't realy want to use disk image |
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| 21:51.05 | th1 | I tried installing 2 partitions on a 2 tb drive, one for boot and one for lvm, but in fdisk only one big lvm paritition shows up, any ideas why? |
| 21:51.20 | th1 | is there a max size for partitions? |
| 21:51.47 | Roums | for 32bits system, there is |
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| 21:51.54 | Roums | but less than that |
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| 21:51.55 | th1 | Roums, this is 64 bit |
| 21:51.58 | Roums | more sorry |
| 21:52.01 | Roums | so it's ok |
| 21:52.13 | th1 | ok thanks, I must have done something else wrong then ;) |
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| 21:52.22 | Roums | did you check with fdisk ? |
| 21:52.35 | th1 | yeah it only shows one partition of type ee |
| 21:52.44 | th1 | but in the installer it shows both partitions.. |
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| 21:53.08 | slxix | torrrrrrrrr: i wouldn't consider myself an expert in backup's. |
| 21:53.45 | Roums | th1 and with gparted too ? |
| 21:54.03 | th1 | Roums, not sure, I don't have gui |
| 21:54.12 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: OK, so could you at least tell me what is that s on the begining of your nick that I have to copy paste? |
| 21:54.18 | Roums | slxix i need an expert cause I totally messed up with my ext2 partition :P |
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| 21:55.08 | slxix | torrrrrrrrr: i don't know what you're asking. if it's not debian related, we can talk in msg. :) |
| 21:55.18 | Roums | th1 and fdisk /dev/partionthatshouldshow ? does it say something ? |
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| 21:55.37 | torrrrrrrrr | Roums: If you find one tell him to help me too |
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| 21:56.02 | Roums | I did an image of my drive... checking with e2fsck (before i couldn't on the original drive) |
| 21:56.15 | Roums | maybe it will help (but with all those i-node problem, i doubt) |
| 21:56.38 | th1 | yeah the partition seems to be there |
| 21:57.10 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: it is just that the auto completion didn't work on your name so I thought the S is some special font |
| 21:57.17 | Roums | I recovered some files with a windows program, but they were all too much corrupted |
| 21:57.21 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: but now it works |
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| 21:58.11 | Roums | the problem for me is that the ext2 partition was forated with ZFS ;/ |
| 21:58.14 | Roums | formated |
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| 22:01.34 | slxix | If you're looking to salvage data from a damaged hard drive, consider watching http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8612013987586008328&hl=en for ideas. :) |
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| 22:03.56 | th1 | is it possible that Linux has used a differente partition table format that fdisk (and grub) don't recognize because the disk is more than 2TB? |
| 22:04.12 | th1 | that's how it looks... |
| 22:04.36 | SPF | zfs has it's own fdisk utils I think |
| 22:05.03 | th1 | yeah it's EFI partition :( |
| 22:05.29 | Roums | it's me with zfs :P |
| 22:05.39 | SPF | zfs is great, but I like to be in control for the moment |
| 22:05.46 | Roums | but zfs doesn't have recovery tools, not really, because it shouldn't have problems |
| 22:06.13 | Roums | and in fact it is more an ext2 problem as i try to recover an ext2 partition (deleted by formating the drive with ZFS) |
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| 22:06.57 | Roums | SPF for me with ZFS you are muche more in control ! it is really awesome |
| 22:07.29 | SPF | so, if one hdd fails you'll be alright? |
| 22:07.46 | Roums | mhmm yes |
| 22:08.10 | Roums | I did a raidz, so I have a one drive fault tolerance, I could have done raidz2, which is like Raid 6 |
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| 22:08.20 | SPF | ah ic |
| 22:08.29 | jstephenson | Which X package do I want these days? |
| 22:08.47 | SPF | x-window-common |
| 22:08.51 | Roums | the problem is that the backup I wanted to transfer on the RaidZ, I erased it... (not really my fault... linux changed the drives order on reboot, vmware didn't notice it... and here we go) |
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| 22:09.44 | SPF | the only recover tool I know of is undelete |
| 22:09.59 | sdubois92 | is anyone available to help me with yaboot? |
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| 22:15.00 | th1 | Roums, whatøs raid2_ |
| 22:15.21 | th1 | I heard of raid1,3,5 and 6 but not 2.. |
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| 22:15.35 | blubberdiblub | Roums, you might like to read about the -b option in the e2fsck manpage to choose one one of the backup superblocks, and about the -n option of the mke2fs manpage to determine where there would be backup superblocks |
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| 22:16.09 | Aaron | hey i have a question if you installed a kernel where do you find the initrd.img-2.6.24-1-486 |
| 22:16.11 | Aaron | in what directory |
| 22:16.21 | th1 | Aaron, /boot? |
| 22:16.35 | Aaron | yeah but i've installed some kernel and they do not appear on /boot |
| 22:16.38 | Aaron | so that's why I'm asking |
| 22:16.51 | th1 | maybe you need to generate it first with mkinitrd |
| 22:17.16 | Aaron | bash: mkinitrd: command not found |
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| 22:18.24 | Aaron | th1, command not found |
| 22:18.25 | th1 | maybe you need to install initrd-tools package. |
| 22:18.39 | Aaron | E: Couldn't find package initrd-tools |
| 22:18.46 | wols | th1: mkinitrd is LONG deprecated |
| 22:18.52 | wols | and not necessary with debian kernels |
| 22:18.57 | th1 | wols, then how are you supposed to update initrd? |
| 22:18.58 | Aaron | interesting |
| 22:19.10 | wols | you aren't. it's done automatically by debconf |
| 22:19.24 | th1 | what if you have built the kernel by hand? |
| 22:19.28 | sdubois92 | i am trying to install etch on a G5 Powermac and after it installs and yaboot comes up, trying to boot OS X and Debian both result in grey screens |
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| 22:19.46 | wols | but Aaron is too stupid to answer clear questions and then calls other people names. so don't expect anything constructive from him |
| 22:19.56 | th1 | ok |
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| 22:20.17 | wols | th1: you are not supposed to in debian. if you still do you are expected to find your own way |
| 22:20.34 | wols | !tell sdubois92 about ppc |
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| 22:20.49 | th1 | wols, I know, but there used to be that mkinitrd tool for this |
| 22:20.58 | th1 | I just wonder if something else took over from it |
| 22:20.58 | wols | th1: note, kernel-package made kernels work the same like dbeian provided ones |
| 22:21.14 | th1 | ok |
| 22:21.21 | th1 | I'll look at that when I'm done installing ;) |
| 22:21.33 | wols | !tell th1 about k-p |
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| 22:34.31 | Aaron | is there any sources for Nvidia in lenny? |
| 22:34.35 | Aaron | that i can add to my list? |
| 22:36.08 | pipeline | Aaron: add contrib and non-free to your sources. |
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| 22:36.37 | pipeline | Aaron: if that doesn't cover your bases, add some unstable sources and use apt pinning to get things selectively. http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 22:36.47 | pipeline | Private chat is not encouraged. |
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| 22:38.21 | aphexer | I had to rebuild the apache2.2 source package to fit my needs. So I did that and installed them. But now when I try to install a libapache2-* module, it tries to remove my custom package, and install the one from the repository... How can I fix this? |
| 22:39.06 | chetnick | anybody knows how to set resolution when in runlevel 3? |
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| 22:39.54 | pipeline | aphexer: libapache2-* stuff depends on particular versions. I don't think there's any way around that, sorry. |
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| 22:42.43 | aphexer | pipeline: but when creating my custom version I didn't change it's version, so shouldn't it be happy with it? |
| 22:42.50 | aphexer | pipeline: how does aptitude know I'm using a modified package? |
| 22:42.50 | pipeline | aphexer: Well, first, you must have changed its version. Secondly, it wouldn't work. |
| 22:42.50 | pipeline | aphexer: If you did manage to fool it, it would probably break :X |
| 22:42.50 | aphexer | oh :) |
| 22:42.50 | pipeline | aphexer: you kind of have to build your apache modules against a particular version of apache |
| 22:42.51 | pipeline | aphexer: I've heard of people mixing and matching, but I wouldn't recommend it :) |
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| 22:42.51 | aphexer | I see :) |
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| 22:43.30 | aphexer | I'm not really looking into rebuilding all apache modules though |
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| 22:43.31 | aphexer | that's alot of work |
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| 22:45.35 | pipeline | aphexer: It's a hard row to hoe. |
| 22:46.05 | pipeline | unfortunately 2.2 is being developed quickly and every point release seems to have some kickass shit |
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| 22:47.34 | aphexer | pipeline: yeah :) I discovered there are patches already on the way to do what I want to do |
| 22:47.39 | aphexer | unfortunately not yet in stable :) hehe |
| 22:47.43 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: nice video |
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| 22:48.13 | torrrrrrrrr | slxix: though i m not there yet |
| 22:49.21 | slxix | hehe |
| 22:49.24 | Roots | I just updated my sid system. My wireless lan connection is functioning but I can't connect to the internet. Any ideas what could be wrong? (Hint: its not the network/router because I'm writing this from the same network on my Ubuntu laptop) |
| 22:50.26 | pipeline | Roots: Do you have an IP? ifconfig; Do you have a default route? route -an; Do you have a DNS server? cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:51.39 | Roots | Yeah I have an IP. I have a DNS server (nameserver 192.168.0.1) |
| 22:51.55 | pipeline | Do you have a default route? |
| 22:51.57 | jstephenson | Are there local mirrors for security? |
| 22:51.59 | pipeline | can you ping your default route? |
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| 22:52.02 | aphexer | Roots: do dns lookup work? Can you ping your router? Can you ping an external ip? |
| 22:52.27 | aphexer | Is there a way to prevent debuild from cleaning already compiled files? |
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| 22:52.38 | aphexer | I'm just changeing one thing, it doesn't need to rebuild whole apache... |
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| 22:52.45 | Roots | route -an didn't work. Sid -a is an invalid option |
| 22:52.52 | Roots | I can't seem to ping anything |
| 22:53.10 | aphexer | Roots: can you ping your own ip? |
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| 22:53.31 | Roots | yes I can ping my own IP |
| 22:53.38 | aphexer | but you can't ping your router? |
| 22:53.45 | Roots | nope, doesn't look that way |
| 22:53.51 | Roots | it says destination host unreachable |
| 22:53.57 | aphexer | then it looks like a driver issue to me |
| 22:54.06 | aphexer | what got updated?:) |
| 22:54.45 | aphexer | or of course something wrong in your routing tables, but that's usually not the case in my experience |
| 22:55.09 | Roots | Well I installed a new kernel, and then I couldn't get my ndiswrapper setup working again that worked with the previous kernel (the wireless device didn't exist). So instead I found a native Linux kernel module (rt2500), installed and built that, and then once I got that module running I had an IP assigned and signal strength and everything |
| 22:55.38 | Roots | I'm still receiving/sending packets of data right now...I don't know how its doing it since ping wouldn't work |
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| 22:55.58 | wols | Roots: route -n output |
| 22:56.09 | wols | and if there is no route you don't run debian |
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| 22:57.07 | Roots | route -n shows destination: 192.168.1.0...etc on one line and gateway 192.168.1.2 on the second line |
| 22:57.17 | Roots | both interfaces are wlan0 (which is correct) |
| 22:57.32 | Roots | genmask is 255.255.255.0 on the top line |
| 22:57.33 | wols | how do you get your IP? dhcp? |
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| 22:57.37 | Roots | yes |
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| 22:57.59 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows how change the "beep" system |
| 22:58.01 | wols | DNS servre? |
| 22:58.05 | Roots | If I reboot into my old kernel I can connect to the wireless network fine |
| 22:58.11 | aarkerio | I mean the beep sound |
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| 22:58.26 | Roots | $ cat /etc/resolve.conf ::: nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:58.47 | wols | something is not right |
| 22:58.58 | aarkerio | I mean volume, some times I hear music with audiphones and suddenly I hear the beep very strong |
| 22:59.01 | wols | defaultroute goes to 192.168.1 and dns is 0 |
| 22:59.55 | Roots | hmmm |
| 23:01.03 | Roots | so do I have to manually set my /etc/resolve.conf file to fix the DNS address? |
| 23:01.15 | wols | no |
| 23:01.29 | wols | there is no resolvE.conf there only is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:01.37 | jstephenson | You said you couldn't ping you router though? |
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| 23:02.08 | wols | what is the router's numerical IP? can you ping that? or better: use it in a browser? |
| 23:02.48 | Roots | no I can't access the router, even though the network monitor says its sending/receiving packets with it |
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| 23:04.30 | m-c | Hi all - I am running ubuntu and I would like to set up a bootable Debian partition. What will be the most painless way to get the Debian bits onto a separate partition? Can I run the Debian installer from within ubuntu, for example? |
| 23:05.58 | th1 | I've got my boot partition on sda1 and sda2 is a 2tb partition for lvm where there is a root partition. I configured lilo because grub didn't work, but when I boot it gives "No volume groups found" and dumps me in a very limited busybox. I can see the partition but I can't see the dm devices |
| 23:06.00 | th1 | any ideas? |
| 23:06.44 | odla | O_o tornado warning |
| 23:07.18 | jstephenson | Where? |
| 23:07.51 | odla | minneapolis |
| 23:08.19 | jstephenson | Yay for UK |
| 23:08.36 | jstephenson | xorg or xserver-xorg? |
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| 23:08.49 | Roots | Okay, so on my (working) laptop wireless route -n produces this: http://paste-it.net/public/ja77919/ |
| 23:09.09 | Roots | On my (non-working) desktop wireless, the 2nd line of that table is missing. Everything else is identical |
| 23:09.15 | WarriorSlayer | wols, r u there man? |
| 23:09.41 | diabel- | has debian reposity got mod_security for apache2? |
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| 23:09.45 | Roots | wols was active about 8 minutes ago WarriorSlayer |
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| 23:10.33 | messiah | hi |
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| 23:10.53 | WarriorSlayer | guys anyone knows the one line command to install nvidia driver? |
| 23:10.56 | messiah | i have just installed debian in an old laptop but the screen is very bad, and with two lines in vertical, can someone help me? |
| 23:11.47 | WarriorSlayer | !tell WarriorSlayer one line nvidia |
| 23:12.05 | Roots | WarriorSlayer: # apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common && m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a auto-install nvidia |
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| 23:12.20 | Roots | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:12.35 | Roots | I just installed the latest nvidia driver this morning using that page without a problem |
| 23:12.44 | wols | !tell WarriorSlayer about ssb |
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| 23:13.14 | WarriorSlayer | wols, i'm using lenny/sid now man ^^ |
| 23:13.24 | WarriorSlayer | ive upgraded and i'm running in vesa |
| 23:13.27 | wols | you use lenny yes |
| 23:13.47 | wols | and ssb factoid is what you need most likely unless nvidia drivers are now in lenny which I doubt |
| 23:13.55 | wols | <dpkg> Package 'nvidia-glx' does not exist. |
| 23:14.01 | wols | it doesn't as you can see |
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| 23:14.55 | Roots | Hey wols look up a bit at my paste-it link. Any ideas why the working wireless has a line that the non-working wireless does not in the routing table? |
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| 23:17.05 | biatche_ | I've a rsync question. Is SSH required for rsync? |
| 23:17.40 | wols | Roots: I told you |
| 23:17.50 | Roots | bad driver? |
| 23:17.54 | wols | no |
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| 23:18.26 | odla | what is teh git package called? apt-file search git gives me a million options |
| 23:18.44 | Guerin | odla: aptitude search git |
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| 23:19.09 | \amethyst | odla: git-core |
| 23:19.16 | streuner | Guerin: how is life today? |
| 23:19.17 | odla | \amethyst: thanks |
| 23:19.32 | WarriorSlayer | wols, what do i have to do to install the nvidia driver here? |
| 23:19.33 | Guerin | streuner: life is pretty decent |
| 23:19.49 | streuner | Guerin: heh, what time is it now in .nz? |
| 23:19.58 | Guerin | preparing to move house, considering going fishing |
| 23:20.07 | Guerin | streuner: it's 1119 hours |
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| 23:21.05 | wols | WarriorSlayer: get its source. nvidia-graphics-drivers see the factoid I made dpkg tell you |
| 23:21.17 | WarriorSlayer | oh k |
| 23:21.24 | WarriorSlayer | the packagename i need to use is nvidia-glx? |
| 23:21.32 | streuner | Guerin: what do you usually fish? |
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| 23:21.47 | Guerin | streuner: syntax error |
| 23:21.54 | streuner | Guerin: or is that just fun? |
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| 23:22.07 | Guerin | interrogative `what' does not conjugate with verb `fish' |
| 23:22.14 | wols | WarriorSlayer: I told you the package name you need |
| 23:22.25 | WarriorSlayer | k |
| 23:22.28 | WarriorSlayer | ty man ^^ |
| 23:22.50 | Guerin | streuner: you mean *for* what do I usually fish? |
| 23:23.00 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 23:23.03 | Guerin | ah |
| 23:23.11 | Guerin | at this time of year it's red cod |
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| 23:24.05 | \amethyst | Guerin: fish can be used transitively, though one wouldn't usually say "I fish cod" but rather "I fish the lake" |
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| 23:24.43 | \amethyst | Guerin: My dictionary does have the former, though |
| 23:24.48 | Guerin | \amethyst: yes. This is why I was confused - `what do I usually fish' could have been asking what method, what location, what species, etc. |
| 23:24.55 | biopyte | hifi, i have a big problem with either debian testing or my hardware here. what happens is that the the monitor all of a sudden turns black and thats it. no way to reactivate, virtual consoles not working. only reboot helps ... until the next time. i thought it was the flashplugin, so i removed it. however, still the same problem. can you tell me a way to say if its either a software or a hardware problem? that already would help a lot. |
| 23:25.38 | Guerin | biopyte: nvidia? |
| 23:25.48 | streuner | biopyte: no chars at all? |
| 23:25.49 | biopyte | and why does this damned xchat make 'hifi' out of 'hi', the hell? |
| 23:26.02 | biopyte | Guerin: no intel GMA950 |
| 23:26.16 | biopyte | onboard |
| 23:26.27 | Guerin | biopyte: ok. Antifree drivers are a common cause of freezeups. |
| 23:26.34 | Guerin | (not in your case) |
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| 23:27.00 | Nyle | Guerin, hey |
| 23:27.07 | Guerin | hey, my my |
| 23:27.12 | biopyte | Guerin: i checked the Xlog, but that didnt give me clue. |
| 23:27.23 | Nyle | Guerin, ? |
| 23:27.38 | Guerin | biopyte: syslog? you might try logging out to a remote machine to see what gives |
| 23:27.39 | Nyle | yo yo ma. |
| 23:28.21 | Guerin | Nyle: Don't tell me you call yourself a guitarist and you don't recognise the signature lyric of one of the world's greatest living exponents... |
| 23:28.34 | Nyle | what? |
| 23:28.53 | Nyle | what are you talking about man |
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| 23:30.28 | biopyte | Guerin: i found this line in syslog "May 30 10:30:13 dhc016375 gdm[2935]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 |
| 23:30.28 | biopyte | " |
| 23:30.37 | biopyte | what do you think |
| 23:30.38 | biopyte | ? |
| 23:31.18 | simonrvn | means gdm got an error and restarted x... |
| 23:31.20 | garysmith3 | Anyone have any experience installing debian-sparc on netra x1's? |
| 23:31.32 | Guerin | Nyle: feayn.org/~lewis/05_my_my_hey_hey_out_of_the_blue.mp3 |
| 23:32.00 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
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| 23:32.11 | Guerin | biopyte: file that as a bug against gdm, uninstall it and see if the problem persists |
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| 23:32.55 | biopyte | simonrvn, Guerin: wait a minute, maybe thats just the message when logging out from gdm. |
| 23:33.04 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
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| 23:33.13 | biopyte | biopyte: unrelated to the crash |
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| 23:34.25 | Guerin | biopyte: ok. Dunno. |
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| 23:35.45 | streuner | Is there a special reason why you like Neil much? ;-) |
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| 23:36.03 | \amethyst | streuner: because I'm cool |
| 23:36.28 | streuner | \amethyst: sure :-) |
| 23:36.33 | Guerin | streuner: other than the fact that he preserved what was left of 70s rocknroll from the rapacious pop bullshit of the 80s? |
| 23:36.41 | biopyte | Guerin: i checked syslog. this error shows several times at immediately after it 'shutdown/reboot'. so, i'm on the right track, i guess. so, any idea, whats causing this cryptic error message? |
| 23:37.10 | streuner | Guerin: http://88.191.12.106:9000 |
| 23:37.14 | Guerin | streuner: ... and the fact that he's the only person from the 60s still making protest music in the ought-oughts? |
| 23:37.55 | streuner | Guerin: there is still good cool music, and new music available |
| 23:38.24 | Guerin | biopyte: no chance of getting any sense out of a gnome app error message. Just file the bug and let the wizards work it out. |
| 23:38.49 | biopyte | ok. i check gnome channel. |
| 23:39.03 | Guerin | streuner: yes, there's the occasional thing worth listening to nowadays |
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| 23:39.46 | Guerin | streuner: The Pack A.D is one of my recent discoveries ... Otis Taylor ... the Be Good Tanyas ... Po' Girl ... |
| 23:40.03 | streuner | never heard that |
| 23:40.30 | streuner | well, there are many groups i don't even know... |
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| 23:43.02 | Nyle | never heard of it before |
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| 23:43.11 | Nyle | Guerin, not bad though |
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| 23:43.22 | Nyle | def not the best either |
| 23:44.31 | Guerin | Nyle: get yourself a copy of Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere ... learn your musical heritage, whipper-snapper |
| 23:44.49 | Nyle | I am metal, through and through |
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| 23:45.27 | Nyle | Guerin, try Segovia |
| 23:46.16 | Nyle | thats how you play guitar. |
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| 23:47.12 | WarriorSlayer | wols, i've done what u tell me, but the packages generated depends on nvidia-kernel-169.12 |
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| 23:47.27 | WarriorSlayer | and wasn't generated a package named nvidia-kernel-169.12 |
| 23:47.37 | WarriorSlayer | only a nvidia-kernel-source_169.12 |
| 23:48.02 | Xclorist | Could someone advise me on how to resize and remount a /tmp/ partition in command line please, I am installing a package that runs out of space extracting :( |
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| 23:49.29 | streuner | Don't play with /tmp, that causes usually big headaches... |
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| 23:52.21 | marsje | is it possible to use more than 2 devices in a raid-1 array? |
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| 23:53.02 | JordiGH | Can you guys recommend a client and network for playing chess? |
| 23:53.08 | JordiGH | Or go? |
| 23:53.23 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: qgo is what I use |
| 23:53.29 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: I don't play chess much online, though. |
| 23:53.37 | streuner | xchess? |
| 23:53.38 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: you may also find dragongo useful |
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| 23:54.16 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Is that a Debian package? |
| 23:54.54 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: qgo is; dragongo is a web-based go server |
| 23:55.13 | JordiGH | Ooh, lots of go players. |
| 23:55.14 | JordiGH | Nice. |
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| 23:55.22 | JordiGH | Now I just have to learn how to play the game. :-) |
| 23:55.23 | BubbaT | There are several go servers. |
| 23:55.28 | Guerin | mm, i should begin playing go again |
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| 23:55.39 | BubbaT | The big PAnAmerican one is KGS. |
| 23:55.44 | Guerin | JordiGH: `lose your first 50 games as quickly as possible' |
| 23:55.56 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:55.57 | BubbaT | Even has people teaching lessons with audio. |
| 23:55.57 | JordiGH | What about chess? Only thing I can find for chess is ggzgamingzone and various clients, but unless I'm doing something wrong, the servers are completely empty! |
| 23:56.01 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: sensei wiki has a few good introductions |
| 23:56.30 | BubbaT | But if you are willing to stay up all night, you can watch proffesional games on other srvers. |
| 23:56.41 | dondelelcaro | IGS has most of the pro games |
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| 23:56.54 | BubbaT | No IGS has very few games. |
| 23:56.56 | Guerin | JordiGH: if you have evil java, there's a good site with a series of tutorials |
| 23:57.04 | JordiGH | just bought a go board today but realised that he didn't have anyone to play with. |
| 23:57.24 | dondelelcaro | BubbaT: the major pro games it has |
| 23:57.33 | BubbaT | I mostly view games with CyberOro. But others say TOM is better. |
| 23:57.42 | JordiGH | Guerin: Java is trying very hard to get unevil, give it some credit. |
| 23:58.07 | JordiGH | and where are all the noob games, where I may have a chance of winning one of my first 50 games? |
| 23:58.15 | BubbaT | dondelelcaro, no not the *major* pro games. I don't remember one match from a Chinese or Korean tournbament. |
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| 23:58.33 | BubbaT | What it does have are the title matches from the major Japanese tournaments. |
| 23:58.47 | dondelelcaro | and some of the major Chinese tournaments |
| 23:59.03 | dondelelcaro | (and misc. other things) |
| 23:59.14 | BubbaT | and anything that IGS has CyberOro has too. |
| 23:59.29 | dondelelcaro | ah; could be. Not familiar with all of the servers |
| 23:59.34 | BubbaT | Plus iof you speak an Asian language you often find commentary. |
