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| 00:00.26 | BubbaT | But since this is debian I should wanr people that the big Asian servers generally only have Windows clients. Though most run fairly well under wine. |
| 00:00.52 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, that may be why I don't know about them. (It's also why I don't use KGS) |
| 00:00.59 | JordiGH | Aw. |
| 00:01.03 | JordiGH | That's a shame. |
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| 00:01.10 | JordiGH | I really want to play with free clients. |
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| 00:01.41 | jcm | Hi, my Promise SATA 300 TX2plus card (sata_promise module) doesn't see my Seagate SATA II HD (cannot negociate transfer rate); kernel 2.6.18. Ideas ? |
| 00:01.46 | JordiGH | Is free software not big in Asia? I get the impression that major enclaves are in the US, Germany, and Brazil. |
| 00:01.56 | Guerin | JordiGH: http://playgo.to/index-e.html is the interactive one I did |
| 00:02.15 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's pretty big; really just depends, though |
| 00:02.36 | Guerin | JordiGH: from my experience it is and it isn't. The thing is that there are so many people it only takes a small proportion to make a big community. |
| 00:02.45 | JordiGH | I guess that when copyright is not enforced, there's even less of a motivation to use free software. |
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| 00:03.15 | BubbaT | Depends in what you mean by free most servers are free in PanAm with free but not open clients, in Asia you generally have to pay for accounts on the servers. |
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| 00:03.23 | JordiGH | I mean Debian-free. |
| 00:03.34 | JordiGH | The only free that matters, since copyright is largely unenforceable anyways. |
| 00:03.48 | BubbaT | Debian is free in multiple ways. |
| 00:03.56 | JordiGH | DFSG. |
| 00:04.22 | dondelelcaro | (when we're talking about free here, we don't mean cost) |
| 00:04.42 | BubbaT | Effectively from PanAm, all do not cost anything, but almost all do not have clients whose source you can access. |
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| 00:05.52 | JordiGH | It's funny how people are attracted to free software due to its almost always zero cost, when to me that is really the least of its benefits. When was the last time that you met an individual who paid for Photoshop? |
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| 00:06.28 | PaperBear | lol @ JordiGH |
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| 00:07.10 | PaperBear | JordiGH, I think the low TCO is a necessary part of the equation, nonetheless |
| 00:07.38 | Nyle | JordiGH, i did |
| 00:07.39 | m-c | ... 'free software is worth the cost at twice the price!' |
| 00:07.43 | PaperBear | if people had to pay to be hippies in the 60s, I bet there would have been a lot fewer of them |
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| 00:07.51 | Nyle | my boss actually pays for sw |
| 00:07.55 | WarriorSlayer | !tell WarriorSlayer ssb |
| 00:07.59 | Nyle | ex boss |
| 00:08.01 | JordiGH | Nyle: Did you pay for it or did your company pay for it? |
| 00:08.08 | streuner | PaperBear: i doubt that ;-) |
| 00:08.19 | Nyle | i warez him a coyp of a newer photoshop |
| 00:08.22 | Nyle | I said enjoy |
| 00:08.29 | Nyle | muahaha |
| 00:08.31 | Nyle | j/k |
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| 00:08.46 | JordiGH | likes it that TPB doesn't call it "warez": http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4129102/Photoshop_CS2_v9.0___working_KeyGen |
| 00:08.51 | PaperBear | streuner, well, luckily it's an unprovable theory... ;) |
| 00:08.54 | meero | does bind9 using apt support DLZ by default? |
| 00:08.58 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:09.38 | Xclorist | anyone here know how to resize the tmp partition on debian? |
| 00:09.40 | streuner | PaperBear: time changed, and people have still the mentality... |
| 00:09.57 | JordiGH | PaperBear: This TCO thing is a MSFT-invented term, and I distrust it. Although I will admit that free software often requires heavy adminning, although I'm happy to do that kind of adminning for some people, and thankfully, I usually only have to do it once. |
| 00:10.11 | dondelelcaro | Xclorist: uh... which tmp partition? |
| 00:10.27 | PaperBear | JordiGH, TCO is just another TLA so I have less to type ;) |
| 00:10.27 | streuner | PaperBear: but you're right, people need to change in order to get around... |
| 00:10.34 | Xclorist | well the mount point /tmp dondelelcaro |
| 00:10.52 | dondelelcaro | Xclorist: if you have a separate /tmp partition, umount it, resize it, and remount it. |
| 00:11.04 | Xclorist | Iv unmounted it |
| 00:11.10 | Xclorist | but not sure how to resize |
| 00:11.14 | Xclorist | i.e the command |
| 00:11.18 | JordiGH | Xclorist: Try using gparted, friendly frontend. |
| 00:11.19 | dondelelcaro | Xclorist: then use resize2fs or whatever is appropriate for your filesystem |
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| 00:12.02 | JordiGH | Funny, separate /tmp partition. Is that a standard setup? |
| 00:12.12 | JordiGH | I don't think I've ever seen /tmp get too big. |
| 00:12.16 | streuner | hell, no |
| 00:12.28 | Guerin | try mastering DVDs |
| 00:12.32 | PaperBear | JordiGH, I just prefer not to call it "free", even though it is free to you and me. I bet I spend less time in root on debian than I used to spend administering windows... so I think windows TCO is greater than debian's, by more than the license.... |
| 00:12.33 | Guerin | that'll do it |
| 00:12.56 | JordiGH | Guerin: Hm, I don't do that often. :-) |
| 00:13.16 | Guerin | the other thing about debian is that a large proportion of the admin is a sunk cost; that is, you spend a while doing it once, then you never do it again |
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| 00:13.34 | JordiGH | My point exactly, Guerin. |
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| 00:13.56 | Nyle | why dono't you just clean out /tmp |
| 00:14.09 | PaperBear | Yeah, agreed - but a reasonable amount of windows admin is the same |
| 00:14.15 | streuner | prolly on a wrong / |
| 00:14.29 | streuner | (partition) |
| 00:14.40 | JordiGH | likes what gparted says when you try to run it without root privs. |
| 00:14.41 | sdubois92 | im in #debianppc on oftc and i was told to chroot to my install from vt2 |
| 00:14.47 | technoid_ | do the admin work the first time...script it for the second+ times |
| 00:14.49 | sdubois92 | im not entirely sure what to di |
| 00:15.12 | JordiGH | misses adminning his Debian network. |
| 00:15.27 | JordiGH | I left them a Debian network, and then I stopped adminning it. I wonder if they kept it. My baby. |
| 00:16.01 | JordiGH | Their previous idea of adminning was to periodically reinstall Windows when users filled a terminal with crap. |
| 00:16.05 | technoid_ | I miss doing admin work now that I am doing sw testing support |
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| 00:17.31 | varney | what's a normal way to check what processes are loading a Debian server? |
| 00:17.40 | dondelelcaro | varney: ps axfu; etc. |
| 00:17.41 | JordiGH | uhm, ps? |
| 00:17.46 | JordiGH | axfu? |
| 00:17.54 | varney | i see my server load is at 1.00 but i have no idea what's using it up |
| 00:17.54 | Sling | i like faux better :P |
| 00:17.55 | JordiGH | I use agux, but it's cargo-cult to me. |
| 00:18.55 | JordiGH | all, user, executing, group is my guess. |
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| 00:18.57 | JordiGH | checks the manpage |
| 00:19.46 | varney | hmm. i see www-data is using up 34.3% CPU, and 1.1%MEM - is this normal? |
| 00:19.48 | disposable | if i put module ztdummy which depends on zaptel, rtc, etc, into /etc/modules, will they all get loaded at boottime? |
| 00:19.59 | JordiGH | Looks like g really is a cargo-cult option. |
| 00:20.20 | JordiGH | It does nothing and is obsolete. |
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| 00:21.59 | varney | is it normal for there to be about 20 apache -k start entries for 'ps agux'? |
| 00:22.08 | Sling | possibly |
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| 00:22.24 | Sling | child processes of the main apache process |
| 00:23.19 | varney | as in? e.g. why would it need a 'start' command about 20 times? |
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| 00:24.56 | dondelelcaro | varney: because it's one invocation with 20 children |
| 00:25.20 | JordiGH | Why is ifconfig setuid root? |
| 00:25.37 | JordiGH | Er, I mean, /bin/ping |
| 00:25.54 | netdaemon | question...where does dpkg-reconfigure store its configuration scripts? |
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| 00:26.20 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: because it has to in order to get the ICMP responses |
| 00:26.26 | dondelelcaro | netdaemon: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 00:26.33 | netdaemon | dondelelcaro: ty |
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| 00:26.51 | LimCore | hi |
| 00:27.00 | LimCore | what is tar's limit on file size of resulting arhive? |
| 00:27.25 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: That makes me uneasy, and I don't understand why icmp responses need root privs. |
| 00:27.28 | LimCore | what tool should be used to backup (into one file) a huge dir (like 100 gb) |
| 00:28.01 | JordiGH | Also, I've been reading the Unix haters manual perhaps a tad too much. They complain about ping's suid. |
| 00:28.17 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: because there's no way to know which ICMP packets are for which program |
| 00:28.32 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: and allowing anyone to see any ICMP packets isn't sane |
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| 00:28.55 | kom0dor | Hey all |
| 00:29.08 | wdm | hello, i'm new in linux world, an' need some help in debian etch |
| 00:29.13 | wdm | pls |
| 00:29.14 | kom0dor | Just did a debian netinst for debian stable. |
| 00:29.17 | varney | wdm: fire away |
| 00:29.24 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's a fairly well audited thing, and you can ditch the setuid if you don't want anyone else to be able to use it |
| 00:29.27 | wdm | pls |
| 00:29.58 | wdm | can someone help, pls? |
| 00:30.02 | varney | wdm: fire away |
| 00:30.06 | JordiGH | wdm: Ask. |
| 00:30.13 | wdm | alrite>>>!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:30.24 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I'm the only one who uses this machine. |
| 00:30.25 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 00:30.34 | varney | wtf? wdm.... |
| 00:30.36 | JordiGH | Was it something we said? |
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| 00:31.00 | JordiGH | wdm: Ask your question. |
| 00:31.02 | varney | maybe he thought i said 'You're fired!' |
| 00:31.08 | wdm | thank u |
| 00:31.13 | varney | ASK |
| 00:31.16 | varney | lol |
| 00:31.24 | Sling | lol |
| 00:31.34 | Sling | we're not *that* scary |
| 00:31.47 | wdm | i've a problem when i try to install any thing by using synaptic in debian with error msg |
| 00:31.56 | JordiGH | wdm: What's the error? |
| 00:31.58 | varney | hmmm...synaptic |
| 00:32.04 | wdm | it's about alsa-base |
| 00:32.31 | JordiGH | wdm: In Debian it's currently recommended for newbies to use aptitude. |
| 00:32.34 | wdm | it's errror about ' not configured' |
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| 00:32.52 | JordiGH | wdm: Can you post the exact error message? |
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| 00:33.24 | Nyle | Sling, huh |
| 00:33.44 | Sling | what? |
| 00:34.45 | sdubois92 | im in #debianppc on oftc and i was told to chroot to my install from vt2. i dont exactly know what to do |
| 00:36.01 | JordiGH | What's all the stuff under /emul ? It looks like a bunch of 32bit libs. Who installed thsose? |
| 00:36.43 | JordiGH | ia32-libs |
| 00:36.45 | JordiGH | Why do I need that? |
| 00:36.49 | sdubois92 | JordiGH: the ghost of installs past |
| 00:37.02 | JordiGH | There's only been one install here, and it's been amd64, baby. |
| 00:37.03 | th1 | JordiGH, if you want to run 32-bit binaries? |
| 00:37.33 | JordiGH | th1: Such as...? |
| 00:37.33 | th1 | flash player ;) |
| 00:37.34 | Nyle | or anything else for that matter |
| 00:37.36 | Nyle | mplayer 32bit w/ 32codecs |
| 00:37.42 | JordiGH | Ah, nspluginwrapper. |
| 00:37.43 | th1 | etc.. :) the list goes on |
| 00:37.47 | Nyle | i dunno java plugin |
| 00:37.51 | JordiGH | That's the one that dragged that. |
| 00:37.53 | Nyle | skype maybe |
| 00:37.57 | th1 | yeah seems right |
| 00:38.11 | th1 | its nice that it works though so you can run 64-bit firefox with 32-bit flash player |
| 00:38.11 | JordiGH | As soon as Java and gnash get good, this thing is going away. |
| 00:38.27 | Nyle | man 64bit iceweasel is lightning fast |
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| 00:38.33 | disposable | when i've done dpkg --clear-selections && dpkg --set-selections < selections, how do i actually make it remove/install what i want without aptitude? apt-get -f install doesn't do anything |
| 00:38.39 | th1 | Nyle, not much faster than 32-bit though ;) |
| 00:38.40 | Nyle | page rendering is literally twice as fast, perceptively |
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| 00:38.46 | Nyle | nah to me its very fast |
| 00:38.48 | Nyle | faster than before |
| 00:38.54 | th1 | newer version is faster |
| 00:38.57 | JordiGH | Nyle: Really? I didn't think it would be any different. |
| 00:39.03 | th1 | 32 vs 64 is hardly any difference |
| 00:39.27 | sdubois92 | th1: theres a difference of 32 |
| 00:39.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:39.34 | th1 | lol |
| 00:39.35 | JordiGH | It doesn't look like anyone uses /mnt anymore. |
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| 00:39.39 | Nyle | thats a mighty big diff |
| 00:39.48 | th1 | JordiGH, I use /mnt for stuff I mount manually |
| 00:39.48 | JordiGH | All the external mounting seems to be done in /media now? |
| 00:39.52 | sdubois92 | its a 100% diference |
| 00:39.57 | JordiGH | th1: What do you mount manually? |
| 00:40.12 | th1 | partitions from an old harddisk for example |
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| 00:40.17 | sdubois92 | so does anyone know the answer to my question |
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| 00:40.30 | JordiGH | th1: Yeah, I don't need that. :-) |
| 00:40.37 | th1 | sdubois92, what was your question ;) |
| 00:40.43 | sdubois92 | im in #debianppc on oftc and i was told to chroot to my install from vt2. i dont exactly know what to do |
| 00:40.44 | kom0dor | I'm having trouble with alsa, specifically alsaconf recognizes and sets up my sound card, supposedly, but then I get no sound. |
| 00:41.11 | kom0dor | I've asked in #alsa, and the debian wiki presumed everything was plug and play |
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| 00:41.11 | th1 | sdubois92, just type chroot /path/to/your/install |
| 00:41.11 | JordiGH | kom0dor: I had a problem like that with an intel chipset not being recognised with an older kernel. |
| 00:41.12 | kom0dor | Notable information on my computer can be found here: http://pastebin.ca/1035408 |
| 00:41.22 | sdubois92 | th1: what is the path to my install? |
| 00:41.37 | th1 | wherever you installed something new |
| 00:41.45 | th1 | they must have had a reason for telling you to do that ;) |
| 00:41.49 | kom0dor | I know for a fact that sound will work. I used Etch for months, tried out Ubuntu, and this morning when I decided to switch back, everything was b0rked |
| 00:42.01 | th1 | maybe /target ? |
| 00:42.30 | kom0dor | For a brief second after alsaconf is run, while it echoes "loading drivers" sound works |
| 00:42.33 | sdubois92 | th1: im installing etch on PPC and theres a yaboot problem, so i was told to chroot to install and run ybin |
| 00:42.40 | sdubois92 | and /target isnt there |
| 00:42.40 | kom0dor | then it says it's done and sound dies |
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| 00:42.50 | sdubois92 | its installed, and im running off the disk now |
| 00:42.51 | th1 | sdubois92, do you know where it has installed the new distro? |
| 00:43.05 | th1 | how did you boot if the bootloader didn't work? |
| 00:43.13 | th1 | anyway if you're running off the disk already you don't need to chroot |
| 00:43.22 | sdubois92 | its installed |
| 00:43.24 | sdubois92 | it wont boot |
| 00:43.28 | th1 | they were probably thinking you're running from inside the installer's shell |
| 00:43.29 | sdubois92 | so i booted the CD |
| 00:43.41 | th1 | ok so you're booted from the CD not from the installed version |
| 00:43.44 | JordiGH | kom0dor: Hm, not sure, then. I just started using a newer kernel when I had a setup very similar to yours, but mine is ich8, not ich7. |
| 00:43.59 | sdubois92 | and i was told to chroot to my install |
| 00:44.01 | th1 | so you need to mount wherever you installed it on /'target and then chroot into there and run ybin |
| 00:44.13 | kom0dor | I know for a fact my sound card is OK, I did have sound working a few hours ago before I switched back to debian :c |
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| 00:44.26 | th1 | so like, mount /dev/sda1 /target && chroot /target |
| 00:44.41 | JordiGH | kom0dor: Ubuntu is using a newer kernel than etch. It's in the 2.6.24 series or so. |
| 00:44.46 | mnabil_ | hello guys, is there's a how to for creating a virtual deb package ? |
| 00:45.07 | technoid_ | kom: i remember someone in here having a similar problem and it was a volume setting relating to surround sound i believe |
| 00:45.26 | th1 | google "create virtual deb package", 3rd result down... |
| 00:45.27 | sdubois92 | th1: Invalid argument |
| 00:45.34 | kom0dor | Indeed, JordiGH. |
| 00:45.46 | th1 | sdubois92, to which part |
| 00:45.47 | WarriorSlayer | someone can help me installing my nvidia driver in lenny/sid? |
| 00:45.52 | sdubois92 | th1: to the mount |
| 00:46.00 | th1 | ok so maybe it's not sda1 |
| 00:46.03 | th1 | where did you install it to |
| 00:46.11 | sdubois92 | i think /dev/sda |
| 00:46.12 | JordiGH | technoid_: Really? That's interesting. Right now I have no sound on my left speaker, but I get sound on both sides when I plugin my earphones. I do hope it's a software problem, because I have no idea how to open up a laptop. :-( |
| 00:46.16 | kom0dor | I'm just baffled because I used Etch for months on this laptop, with sound working well. And I switched back to Debian this morning and X wasn't working, and there was no sound |
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| 00:46.23 | th1 | try fdisk -l and see if it comesup with anything |
| 00:46.32 | mnabil_ | th1, thanks alot man :D |
| 00:46.43 | technoid_ | jord: the person who was asking got it fixed via software |
| 00:46.43 | sdubois92 | th1: theres /dev/sda sdb sdb1-6 |
| 00:46.54 | th1 | so sda is probably the CD-ROM |
| 00:46.59 | sdubois92 | ah |
| 00:47.04 | kom0dor | b0rked debian ftl |
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| 00:47.08 | th1 | so the installation will be on a partition of type Linux on sdb[something] |
| 00:47.45 | JordiGH | technoid_: I guess you can't remember anything else? Anything useful? Did it involve something beyond messing around in alsamixer? |
| 00:48.30 | JordiGH | I've had the left channel mysteriously muted before, but now it seems that even if I unmute it in alsamixer, still no sound from speaker. The fact that speaker gets no left channel but earphones do scares me. |
| 00:48.34 | sdubois92 | th1: it says in needs the /proc filesystem |
| 00:48.40 | sdubois92 | when i run ybin |
| 00:48.43 | th1 | yeah then just do mount /proc |
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| 00:48.53 | th1 | from inside the chroot shell.. |
| 00:49.02 | sdubois92 | ok |
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| 01:07.06 | mohadib | hello , anyone know how i can get anti aliased fonts in Bluefish on Lenny? |
| 01:07.36 | mohadib | fonts in all other apps are anti aliased |
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| 01:10.43 | PaperBear | How many people in here are using Lenny? |
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| 01:11.59 | slxix | raises hand |
| 01:12.20 | markybob | !poll |
| 01:12.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 01:16.43 | tomd123 | Does anyone know the difference between the updated dvd and the normal dvds in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 01:16.50 | zxcvbs | Hi does anyone is/knows a developer? Im serching for a site, related to software requirements, about system/software needs for shop/small/medium companies? |
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| 01:17.35 | tomd123 | zxcvbs: I'm not an expert but it would highly depend on what you want to do with it |
| 01:18.11 | tomd123 | try googling or telling us the niche in business that you want to tackle |
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| 01:19.44 | zd32nv | yay grub fixed to omit redundant '/' |
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| 01:21.23 | zd32nv | is it at all possible to use a dual-monitor setup in xorg with nv (as opposed to nvidia?) |
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| 01:24.46 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: yes. |
| 01:24.49 | zxcvbs | example shop systems, store/stock control. Shop oriented. |
| 01:24.53 | dondelelcaro | is using one now. |
| 01:25.26 | LimCore | what tool should be used to backup (into one file) a huge dir (like 100 gb) |
| 01:25.34 | pipeline | LimCore: GNU tar |
| 01:25.46 | LimCore | pipeline: I had impression its limited to 2gb |
| 01:26.14 | CaT[t3] | limcore: afaik it's not but you can always try it and verify |
| 01:26.39 | LimCore | ok |
| 01:28.09 | JordiGH | eagerly awaits the resolution to this question. |
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| 01:28.53 | trifler | Hurm I have a little problem installing debian on my thinkpad x60, it can't find any harddrive. any suggestions on what to do. |
| 01:28.57 | superfirelord42 | LimCore: the limit for tar is in the TB, what file system are you using? its the file system or OS that will limit file size |
| 01:29.21 | LimCore | superfirelord42: hmm I also used krusader program.. but perhaps I am simply mistaking... will try again then |
| 01:29.41 | dondelelcaro | trifler: try using the testing installer |
| 01:29.47 | superfirelord42 | LimCore: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=25116 talks about tar limits |
| 01:30.11 | LimCore | thx |
| 01:30.30 | amphi | trifler: does the bios have 'compatibility' and 'ahci' options for the hd controller? |
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| 01:32.43 | trifler | amphi: Yes i changed that to compability |
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| 01:33.00 | trifler | dondelelcaro: I was running testing. mayby unstable? |
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| 01:36.30 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: is it tricky? |
| 01:36.46 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: i'm not using xinerama nor twinview |
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| 01:37.47 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: ie mind if i take a look at your xorg.conf? :) |
| 01:38.27 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: there's almost no configuration to your xorg.conf needed. Just make the Virtual line in your Display SubSection large enough, then xrandr --output FOO --left-of BAR; |
| 01:38.27 | trifler | im sad |
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| 01:43.59 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: how bare does xorg.conf have to be? |
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| 01:44.12 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: do you have the time to critique my xorg.conf? it's at http://pastebin.ca/1035469 |
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| 01:45.33 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: you're using nvidia, not nv, and none of that is required post-etch. |
| 01:46.21 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: can u upload yours somewhere |
| 01:46.52 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: it's the stock Debian xorg.conf that we ship with just a SubSection "Display" Virtual 3200 1200 EndSubsection in the Screen Section. |
| 01:47.30 | mythomaniac | i cannot believe ubuntu; they mess with so much - and no documentation for what they changed from standard debian - goddamn them! |
| 01:48.35 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: whatever they do isn't on topic here |
| 01:48.43 | varney | #unbuntu |
| 01:48.55 | varney | 'ubuntu |
| 01:48.58 | varney | #ubuntu |
| 01:49.08 | varney | 3 goes but i got there |
| 01:50.03 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: dpkg-reconfigure produces a xorg.conf that is _very_ minimal. Device & Monitor properties are empty |
| 01:50.07 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: don't worry man i'm not looking to start anything just stating my mind.... nothing will go beyond what i said |
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| 01:50.19 | JordiGH | unbuntu. |
| 01:50.20 | JordiGH | I like that. |
| 01:50.37 | JordiGH | is that like animality towards others? |
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| 01:52.12 | BubbaT | Can I install everything inside an LVM partition? |
| 01:52.22 | dondelelcaro | BubbaT: except for /boot, yes. |
| 01:52.39 | BubbaT | Ok so /boot has to ber outside. |
| 01:52.41 | JordiGH | The Debian install does this by default, doesn't it? |
| 01:52.51 | JordiGH | Or is that only if you choose to encrypt? |
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| 01:54.25 | jstephenson | Mmm. What's up with this 'Iceweasel'? |
| 01:54.55 | JordiGH | jstephenson: Mozilla doesn't like Debian to use the Firefox name because Debian likes to modify it. So Debian uses a different name. |
| 01:55.27 | JordiGH | jstephenson: More details in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
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| 01:56.29 | JordiGH | I personally think the Firesomething plugin, which I adore, love, cherish, and relish, is the best solution to this whole problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/31 |
| 01:56.42 | JordiGH | currently is browsing with Mozilla Mooncicada. |
| 01:57.04 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: mate, I'm totally lost |
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| 01:57.26 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: i found some documentation on ubuntu forums, but they suggest that xorg.conf only have one monitor entry |
| 01:58.09 | jstephenson | JordiGH: Hah, ingenius. |
| 01:58.37 | JordiGH | You even get an about:firesomething Book of Mozilla entry too! |
| 01:58.52 | jstephenson | How do I go about mounting my USB external hard drive? It shows up there in lsusb ... but what do I mount :o? |
| 01:59.14 | JordiGH | jstephenson: Guessing, does pmount work? |
| 01:59.28 | pipeline | LimCore: that's why you use *GNU* tar |
| 01:59.33 | Guerin | jstephenson: you can mount it wherever you like. Common places include /media/usb - you might have to make it |
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| 01:59.49 | LimCore | pipeline: all works fine.. must had been my mistake or something. |
| 01:59.53 | LimCore | pipeline: thanks |
| 02:00.02 | jstephenson | Guerin: Indeed but what am I mounting if you see what I mean :P? |
| 02:00.04 | JordiGH | realises that pmount is probably suid root too. |
| 02:00.17 | Guerin | jstephenson: dmesg will tell you what block device it is |
| 02:00.37 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: yes; that's why you just use the xorg.conf that Debian ships, without any modifications |
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| 02:02.00 | dondelelcaro | (save for the addition of the section I've mentioned) |
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| 02:02.29 | JordiGH | Is it just me or does Ubuntu frequently suggest broken ways to do things? |
| 02:02.46 | LimCore | JordiGH: like? |
| 02:03.01 | JordiGH | LimCore: Automatix comes to mind. |
| 02:03.03 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: http://paste.debian.net/4812/ if you're totally lost |
| 02:03.03 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: which package must I reinstall to obtain the vanilla config? Locate doesn't yield the location of a sample xorg.conf |
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| 02:03.12 | dondelelcaro | !drxx |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 02:03.17 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: see above. |
| 02:03.33 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: oh damn, very bare |
| 02:03.37 | LimCore | JordiGH: well |
| 02:03.40 | zd32nv | thanks |
| 02:03.51 | LimCore | dunno |
| 02:04.28 | JordiGH | LimCore: Ubuntu also seems to be happier with non-free things than Debian, or at least its users are, so that when non-free things break (nvidia in this case), they get in trouble. |
| 02:05.11 | JordiGH | Ubuntu says, "let the nvidia installer do its mess". I don't frequently see that suggestion around here. |
| 02:05.26 | JordiGH | But I speak in broad and meaningless generalities... |
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| 02:05.57 | dondelelcaro | whatever #ubuntu is doing isn't really on topic here... |
| 02:06.00 | vanRijn | is there a way to find out the 20 biggest packages installed on my debian system? |
| 02:06.29 | JordiGH | But #debian seems to have a different attitude than debian-users@l.d.o I see more non-freeness friendliness in debian-users@l.d.o |
| 02:06.45 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: for your Virtual line, is that the sum of horiz and vert dimensions respectively? |
| 02:06.57 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: yes. |
| 02:06.58 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: ie are your monitors 1600x600 each? |
| 02:06.59 | vanRijn | like this: rpm -q -a --queryformat "%10{SIZE}\t%{NAME}\n" | sort -k1,1n list all ackages by size |
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| 02:07.11 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: no, they're 1600x1200. I have two monitors, not four. |
| 02:07.12 | kom0dor | Hey all |
| 02:07.29 | LimCore | JordiGH: this is true... although free-only software is not always as good yet :/ |
| 02:07.34 | kom0dor | I can get sound working on apps that allow an ESD plugin option, but on things like skype, etc that don't, how do I get sound? |
| 02:07.36 | LimCore | at least for me |
| 02:07.54 | plota | if you want to do that, maybe write a script to parse dpkg -l ; then dpkg -L filename ; then grab the sizes and add them up and store them in a array |
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| 02:08.29 | vanRijn | plota: wouldn't you think that there's a built-in way of doing it though? |
| 02:08.43 | plota | no, unless you can ask the server for the size |
| 02:09.07 | plota | or is there a size with the installed files in the dpkg/ directory? |
| 02:09.26 | somedude | can you get hardware acceleration in debian x to work with a radeon hd 3870 |
| 02:09.32 | JordiGH | plota: I'm writing a script now to do that. :P |
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| 02:09.44 | JordiGH | Well, a one-liner pipeline. |
| 02:10.06 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.06 | dpkg | ii | grep 'ii' | awk '{ print $2; }' | xargs apt-cache show | perl -e 1.2-12 jordigh's private stamp collection |
| 02:10.06 | vanRijn | plota: dpkg-query --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' -W '*' |
| 02:10.13 | JordiGH | that's as afr as I've gotten. |
| 02:10.18 | dondelelcaro | vanRijn: that's a pretty useless thing to look at, but some combination of aptitude search -F '%p %I' '~i' |sort -n -r -k 2|head -n 20; or similar |
| 02:10.40 | JordiGH | I guess my perlism loses. :-( |
| 02:10.59 | vanRijn | heh |
| 02:11.38 | vanRijn | dpkg-query --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' -W '*' | egrep -v "not-installed" | sort -k1,1n |
| 02:11.40 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Why the semicolon? |
| 02:11.44 | vanRijn | there we go. sweet |
| 02:11.46 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Force of habit? |
| 02:11.59 | vanRijn | thanks guys. =:) |
| 02:12.02 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: why not? |
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| 02:12.18 | dondelelcaro | (there's probably some way to get aptitude not to put the size in human-readable numbers, but I didn't see it) |
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| 02:12.27 | JordiGH | Looks like python2.4 is huge. |
| 02:13.03 | JordiGH | Wait, that can't be right. I must have packages bigger than 9 megs. |
| 02:13.11 | dondelelcaro | yeah; that's the problem |
| 02:13.26 | dondelelcaro | didn't bother to convert from 10M to 10000k |
| 02:14.04 | dondelelcaro | ... |grep 'MB$'|sort ... is probably good enough, though |
| 02:14.12 | LimCore | there aren't any speciall debian security patches to LUKS / cryptsetup are there :> ? |
| 02:14.35 | JordiGH | Ah, that seems better. |
| 02:14.43 | JordiGH | evolution-common is the huge one now. |
| 02:14.49 | JordiGH | I don't even use evolution! |
| 02:14.56 | dondelelcaro | here it's texlive-extra-doc, at 76M. |
| 02:15.05 | dondelelcaro | s/extra/latex-&/ |
| 02:15.45 | JordiGH | well... my torrenting still only has my hard drive capacity at 20%, so I don't have much to worry about. |
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| 02:17.02 | JordiGH | There's a proprietary version of ssh? Wow. I didn't even know that. |
| 02:17.52 | vanRijn | dondelelcaro: what are you using to find those big packages? |
| 02:18.20 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.37 | vanRijn | JordiGH: awesome! |
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| 02:19.05 | vanRijn | that's weird |
| 02:19.08 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro, you must use aptitude a lot more than I do. Those flags are rather cryptic, and not in the manpage, but in the reference manual. :-) |
| 02:19.22 | vanRijn | I don't get the same results from dpkg-query and aptitude |
| 02:19.51 | JordiGH | vanRijn: What pipeline are you using with dpkg-query? |
| 02:20.01 | vanRijn | dpkg-query --showformat='${Installed-Size;-10} ${status;-25} ${Package}\n' -W '*' | egrep -v "not-installed" | sort -k1,1n | tail -10 |
| 02:20.07 | vanRijn | JordiGH: ^ |
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| 02:21.26 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: most of the powerful bits of aptitude are in the reference manual |
| 02:21.30 | JordiGH | Ack, I don't know dpkg-query to debug that. |
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| 02:21.52 | vanRijn | ohhhh |
| 02:21.58 | dondelelcaro | (the manpage just has enough to hang yourself) |
| 02:21.59 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I glanced at it once. It was complex. Isn't there a GSoC project for making aptitude easier to use? |
| 02:22.15 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: nope |
| 02:22.30 | JordiGH | There was a proposal for one, I remember. Did it not get approved? |
| 02:22.39 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: almost all of those things you don't need unless you're doing something unusual, and then you can look at the manual |
| 02:23.18 | vanRijn | it's a problem with the sort |
| 02:23.18 | JordiGH | No, there is! |
| 02:23.21 | JordiGH | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008/Aptitude-gtk |
| 02:24.14 | JordiGH | It just looks like a GTK+ gui, though. I guess it's just to make it look less scary, and we'll still have to read about those cryptic options in the reference manual. :-) |
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| 02:31.19 | vanRijn | aptitude search -F '%p %I' '~i' |grep 'MB' |sort -n -r -k 2|head -n 20 |
| 02:31.20 | vanRijn | there. |
| 02:31.32 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: where do you exactly issue xrandr? .xinitrc? |
| 02:31.38 | vanRijn | can't grep for 'MB$' because some packages have "MB " |
| 02:31.56 | vanRijn | anyway... |
| 02:31.59 | vanRijn | thanks again guys. =:) |
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| 02:32.04 | JordiGH | Uh, MB$ means that MB has to occur at the end of the string. |
| 02:32.06 | JordiGH | It's the right to grep for. |
| 02:32.11 | vanRijn | yep |
| 02:32.12 | vanRijn | nope |
| 02:32.19 | JordiGH | Huh? |
| 02:32.30 | vanRijn | openoffice-core has "114MB " |
| 02:32.35 | vanRijn | notice the space after the MB |
| 02:32.57 | vanRijn | which meant it got excluded from the grep 'MB$' and was causing the difference I was seeing between that and the dpkg-query |
| 02:32.58 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 02:33.01 | JordiGH | MB\w$ |
| 02:33.08 | JordiGH | MB\s*$ |
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| 02:33.13 | vanRijn | *shrug* |
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| 02:33.30 | vanRijn | don't really need to force MB to the end, since debian packages are all lowercase anyway, right? |
| 02:33.38 | vanRijn | so you're not going to find MB in anything other than the size field |
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| 02:34.04 | JordiGH | Yeah, I guess so. |
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| 02:34.41 | NinjaMan | JordiGH: presumably this is to give the top 20 packacges by installed size |
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| 02:35.04 | JordiGH | NinjaMan: Yeah, it is. We're just trying to polish the pipeline. |
| 02:35.08 | dr_watson | Hi, which package provides the linux (kernel) source in stable? |
| 02:35.09 | vanRijn | pretty sweet |
| 02:35.44 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: .xsession |
| 02:35.51 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: but you can do it at any time |
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| 02:38.20 | JordiGH | dr_watson: I believe there's more than one such package. "apt-cache search linux-source" |
| 02:38.39 | JordiGH | Btw, do we have an ETA on lenny freeze? |
| 02:39.03 | dr_watson | JordiGH, okay. thanks |
| 02:39.53 | heroxbd | I am setting up a 6to4 router referring to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6. Now I can see the router is sending the ping packets from 2002:3b42:b935::1 (client) to 2001:5c0:0:2::24(6bone.net), but the client get no response. While on the router "ping6 6bone.net" is ok. |
| 02:40.26 | JordiGH | Why does linux get its source packaged that way as well as in a normal debian source package? Are there modules that actually need to compiled against that source and need more than just the headers? |
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| 02:43.35 | JordiGH | I guess it must be for compiling custom kernels? |
| 02:45.27 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: ah, so directing displays to :0.0 and :0.1 won't be applicable anymore? |
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| 02:45.48 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro: refresh rate is quite slow after doing it (say, listing of ls -al ./) |
| 02:46.07 | kom0dor | Hey all. I've followed the directions in the debian wiki on the Intel ipw3945 driver for my wireless card...and get no wireless. |
| 02:48.06 | kom0dor | I'm running debian etch, currently on wired connection |
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| 02:48.41 | JordiGH | kom0dor: Your card needs the iwlwifi driver and a firmware blob. Are you running an Inspiron 1420? |
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| 02:49.09 | JordiGH | kom0dor: The etch kernel doesn't have the iwlwifi driver, so you have to get it yourself from Intel's site and compile it against the etch kernel. |
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| 02:49.40 | kom0dor | Alright. Gonna look into that |
| 02:49.41 | kom0dor | thanks. |
| 02:49.45 | kom0dor | I'm using a System76 laptop |
| 02:50.05 | JordiGH | kom0dor: And if you could get me a link to that Debian wiki advice you followed so I can check if it's correct. :-) |
| 02:50.17 | kom0dor | http://wiki.debian.org/ipw3945 |
| 02:50.50 | JordiGH | Yeah, it's updated. You don't need the regulatory daemon. |
| 02:50.54 | JordiGH | Er, outdated. |
| 02:51.04 | kom0dor | ok, so, this site: http://intellinuxwireless.org/ |
| 02:51.09 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
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| 02:52.04 | jstephenson | I wonder why the most popular themes on gnome.org are all Vista clones. |
| 02:52.16 | JordiGH | jstephenson: People like familiarity. |
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| 02:53.08 | JordiGH | hunts/gathers dinner. |
| 02:53.29 | LimCore | orders pizzas soon |
| 02:53.31 | kom0dor | bah |
| 02:53.36 | kom0dor | I can't even compile the driver from source |
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| 02:54.41 | JordiGH | kom0dor: I am pretty sure I managed to do that when I had to install that driver in etch, but I think I had to rename or symlink one of the source directories. What's the problem? |
| 02:55.03 | JordiGH | kom0dor: Oh, right. I remember. I used a backported kernel. :-/ |
| 02:55.10 | kom0dor | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source' |
| 02:55.10 | kom0dor | chmod: cannot access `compatible/*': No such file or directory |
| 02:55.10 | kom0dor | /bin/sh: line 2: compatible/kversion: No such file or directory |
| 02:55.10 | kom0dor | Makefile has been modified by generate_compatible, please run `make' again |
| 02:55.10 | kom0dor | make: *** [compatible/kversion] Error 1 |
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| 02:55.30 | kom0dor | Sorry |
| 02:55.31 | Guerin | fail |
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| 02:55.33 | kom0dor | didn't realize it was that big |
| 02:55.35 | JordiGH | kom0dor: Did you see about the backported kernel? |
| 02:55.44 | JordiGH | The iwlwifi driver needs 2.6.22 |
| 02:55.48 | kom0dor | bah |
| 02:56.13 | JordiGH | Sorry. Debian stable really is stable, but it's also old. |
| 02:56.37 | JordiGH | This is all easier on lenny, but you might not like lenny's bugs (which in my experience, are never worse than Ubuntu's bugs). |
| 02:56.59 | kom0dor | hrm, well. I'll look for a backported kernel I guess.. |
| 02:57.21 | JordiGH | likes bugs. Especially squashing them. |
| 02:57.40 | JordiGH | They make a very satisfying "splat" sound. |
| 02:57.44 | kom0dor | bah. I did this once and got it ok |
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| 02:58.31 | Chater4567 | http://www.meine-wilde-ex.net/?uid=156037 |
| 02:58.42 | wols_ | !ops Chater4567 is a spammer |
| 02:58.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: Chater4567 is a spammer |
| 02:58.46 | kom0dor | brb maybe |
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| 02:58.53 | JordiGH | I'll soon be installing that driver again on etch and I'll update that wiki. |
| 02:58.59 | wols_ | thank you |
| 02:59.26 | JordiGH | Aw, looked like porn spam. |
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| 03:00.25 | mentor | JordiGH: you have problems finding porn on the internet? |
| 03:00.43 | JordiGH | mentor: Yes. Sturgeon's law applies. |
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| 03:01.42 | kom0dor | ok, you said you used a backported kernel? |
| 03:01.48 | JordiGH | Yeah, 2.6.22 |
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| 03:01.55 | JordiGH | It's in backports.org |
| 03:03.05 | mentor | JordiGH: I'm not convinced |
| 03:03.26 | JordiGH | mentor: I must be getting demanding in my old age. |
| 03:03.28 | kom0dor | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 <-- I presume? |
| 03:03.50 | JordiGH | Those are just the headers, which you'll also need along with the kernel. |
| 03:03.55 | JordiGH | The headers are for compiling |
| 03:04.13 | JordiGH | Do you know how to use backports? |
| 03:04.46 | kom0dor | bah. I did this like...6-8 months ago, if I remember correctly :/ |
| 03:05.04 | JordiGH | !backports |
| 03:05.04 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 03:05.18 | kom0dor | I know that much |
| 03:05.30 | JordiGH | Actually, we might even have a factoid for this... |
| 03:05.34 | JordiGH | !iwlwifi |
| 03:05.34 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. It is included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and the firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' (lenny/sid). See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945) Or ask in #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or ask me about <iwlwifi etch> <wireless tree> |
| 03:05.41 | wols_ | kom0dor: if you run 2.6.22-4-686: yes |
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| 03:06.04 | JordiGH | !iwlwifi etch |
| 03:06.05 | dpkg | The iwlwifi driver is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21 (which include etch's 2.6.18 kernel). Grab a newer kernel from either backports.org or etch'n'half and the firmware from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download If you have a 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 Debian kernel, look at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi for more details. Also ask me about <backports.org> and <etchnhalf>. |
| 03:06.45 | JordiGH | There, that should be useful. |
| 03:06.50 | JordiGH | Food's here. |
| 03:06.51 | JordiGH | bbl |
| 03:06.57 | rooaus | !etchnhalf |
| 03:06.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 03:06.59 | kom0dor | so I'll have to get the backport sources? |
| 03:07.27 | kom0dor | bah. I'll figure it out. I did this once. I'll get it. |
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| 03:09.48 | rooaus | Anyone know when etch 1/2 will be released? I have been unable to find an estimated release date or target. |
| 03:11.13 | mentor | WIR |
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| 03:12.37 | wols_ | is baffled why anyone ever cares about debian release targets |
| 03:12.44 | wols_ | has any of them ever been hit? ever? |
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| 03:13.53 | Guerin | wols_: for some folks they're seen as a security blanket, not as a thing which makes a nice whooshing sound |
| 03:13.55 | rooaus | mentor: Figured as much ;) |
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| 03:14.33 | wols_ | Guerin: security for what? against people who ask for a release target? |
| 03:15.36 | Guerin | wols_: no, just for their own sense of wellbeing. You know, like `have those TPS reports on my desk by oh-nine-hundred or else!' |
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| 03:18.39 | technoid_ | damn it, i forgot my cover sheet on those TPS reports |
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| 03:22.15 | helo__ | what is the easiest way to install a ton of games in lenny? |
| 03:22.26 | helo__ | i would prefer to just install pretty much every game available |
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| 03:28.33 | |Ryan52 | If the RNAME part of my domain is ryan52.domain.com, that would mean that ryan52@domain.com is the person in charge of it, right? |
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| 03:38.02 | Scoo | ()(Olá a todos ! Hi ! |
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| 03:41.21 | Gge | Hello , to install a package from experimental to testing , i update the /etc/apt/sources.list file and then apt-get update but the new package is not installed . Do I need tp apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 03:43.36 | JordiGH | 'Ello, Scoo! |
| 03:43.37 | Scoo | ()(Gge what is to package ! |
| 03:43.52 | xsdg | Gge: you need to `apt-get -t experimental install <packagename>` |
| 03:43.52 | Scoo | ()(Ola JordiGH ! |
| 03:44.12 | Scoo | ()(Yes xsdg Good |
| 03:44.12 | JordiGH | Aw, tacos. Like we say in my country, full belly == happy heart. |
| 03:44.18 | JordiGH | pats bellly. |
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| 03:44.35 | Juventino | guys, i was using mesa driver for my notebook graphics interl 915, then after i installed the intel driver, it seems i'm having problems with glx rendering |
| 03:44.41 | Juventino | any idea how to fix that? |
| 03:44.46 | Juventino | knowing that i'm using etchnhalf |
| 03:44.48 | JordiGH | Scoo: Fix your mIRC. Are you using scripts? |
| 03:45.23 | wols_ | Juventino: _what_ problems... |
| 03:45.38 | Juventino | wols_, like when i try "glxgears" |
| 03:45.42 | JordiGH | Juventino: Are you using XAA or EXA rendering? |
| 03:45.44 | heroxbd | Hi. I am trying to set up a 6to4 relay on a dual-stack host accroding to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6. But the host is not forwarding packets. |
| 03:45.44 | Juventino | i get that error: |
| 03:45.59 | Juventino | libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument) |
| 03:46.00 | Juventino | libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering |
| 03:46.14 | JordiGH | Hm, no idea with that. |
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| 03:46.59 | Juventino | JordiGH, hmm how can i tell? |
| 03:47.24 | JordiGH | Juventino: I don't think it matters, but look at your xorg.conf and see if you have an AccelMethod option. |
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| 03:47.55 | JordiGH | Juventino: I don't know what etchnhalf is using, but there was a recent "fix" in lenny that changed the default from XAA to EXA, which broke everything. |
| 03:48.28 | Juventino | well no i don't have an AccelMethod option |
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| 03:48.42 | samantha- | so i have a machine with a bunch of drives mounted all in a single tree, eg, /srv/250, srv/300a, srv/300b, srv/750a, srv/750b, etc. is there a way to share them all from a single share, either nfs or samba? in every case when i've tried this before, sharing would not traverse drives. |
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| 03:49.03 | Gge | xsdg - Thx a lot , it works |
| 03:49.05 | JordiGH | Juventino: Try Option "AccelMethod" "XAA". |
| 03:49.19 | Juventino | JordiGH, which section? subsection? |
| 03:49.30 | JordiGH | Juventino: For the intel driver. |
| 03:49.47 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi; im trying to "compile" e17 and it says i need dbus-1 but i dbus installed due to gnome.. any ideas? |
| 03:49.52 | andrew[andrboot] | on how to get around it that is |
| 03:50.27 | Juventino | JordiGH, 1 min let me try |
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| 03:50.50 | Juventino | should it be like Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" ? |
| 03:51.10 | Juventino | or just "AccelMethod" "XAA" |
| 03:51.12 | JordiGH | Yeah, in the section for the intel driver. |
| 03:51.26 | JordiGH | Option "AccelMethod" "XAA". Like the other options. |
| 03:51.34 | Juventino | there are no other options |
| 03:51.34 | Juventino | lol |
| 03:51.42 | JordiGH | ? |
| 03:51.44 | wols_ | Juventino: what kernel version and is the drm module loaded? |
| 03:51.48 | JordiGH | No other options in your xorg? |
| 03:52.00 | Juventino | well not for intel JordiGH |
| 03:52.04 | Juventino | wols_, drm? |
| 03:52.10 | wols_ | yes drm |
| 03:52.29 | wols_ | JordiGH: you know that xorg now tries to automatically guess the config of the amchine. with mixed results that is |
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| 03:52.46 | Juventino | wols_, the kernel is 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 03:52.55 | JordiGH | wols_: Did dpkg do that previously? |
| 03:52.59 | Juventino | what's drm? |
| 03:53.08 | wols_ | JordiGH: did what? |
| 03:53.11 | JordiGH | Juventino: direct rendering something-something. A model. |
| 03:53.16 | wols_ | Juventino: a module |
| 03:53.18 | JordiGH | wols_: configure xorg.conf? |
| 03:53.21 | JordiGH | module |
| 03:53.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: debconf script did |
| 03:53.32 | JordiGH | wols_: And no longer does? |
| 03:53.37 | wols_ | nope |
| 03:53.42 | Juventino | how can i know that? |
| 03:53.43 | andrew[andrboot] | http://nopaste.com/p/aGsUGOilK is the build log |
| 03:53.46 | Juventino | sorry |
| 03:53.49 | JordiGH | Interesting. So xorg generates its own xorg.conf? |
| 03:53.52 | wols_ | Juventino: by checking your modules |
| 03:54.02 | wols_ | JordiGH: the xorg.conf is empty |
| 03:54.04 | JordiGH | Juventino: sudo modprobe drm |
| 03:54.19 | JordiGH | wols_: Ah. But it can be overridden, I hope. |
| 03:54.26 | Juventino | i915 22144 1 |
| 03:54.26 | Juventino | drm 74324 2 i915 |
| 03:54.30 | JordiGH | clutches tightly to his xorg.conf |
| 03:54.41 | wols_ | andrew[andrboot]: 404 |
| 03:55.08 | wols_ | andrew[andrboot]: also you need the dev package of dbus. not dbus |
| 03:55.20 | Juventino | i guess drm is already loaded |
| 03:55.35 | wols_ | JordiGH: it can but it brings all kinds of shitty problems with people trying to configure their xorg |
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| 03:56.09 | JordiGH | wols_: You saying I'm causing shitty problems? :-) |
| 03:56.18 | JordiGH | Maybe that's why keyboard is teh b0rk. |
| 03:56.26 | JordiGH | my keyboard |
| 03:56.46 | andrew[andrboot] | @ wols_ mhm. |
| 03:56.50 | wols_ | are you an "it"? good to know.... |
| 03:56.57 | Juventino | hmm |
| 03:57.03 | Juventino | so should i restart X now? |
| 03:57.08 | JordiGH | My actions are an it. |
| 03:57.25 | JordiGH | Juventino: Yep. Try. |
| 03:57.28 | Juventino | ok |
| 03:57.30 | Juventino | brb |
| 03:57.36 | wols_ | but the it weren't refering to them but the new way to configure X |
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| 03:57.57 | andrew[andrboot] | ty wols_ trying now :) |
| 03:58.08 | JordiGH | name lookup ambiguity |
| 03:58.41 | JordiGH | anyways, I'll try commenting out the keyboard lines in my xorg.conf and see if that fixes my keyboard. |
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| 03:58.52 | Juventino | hmm |
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| 03:59.16 | Juventino | well i restarted X, still, glxgears returned the same errors |
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| 04:00.04 | JordiGH | So what I said had no relevance. sorry. |
| 04:00.19 | Juventino | oh it's alright :) thnx for helping though |
| 04:00.22 | JordiGH | brb, now I'm gonna restart *my* X. |
| 04:00.30 | Juventino | good luck |
| 04:00.30 | Juventino | lol |
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| 04:01.59 | lindenle1 | hi slapd will not start for me on debian |
| 04:02.04 | lindenle1 | using init.d |
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| 04:02.17 | andrew[andrboot] | thanks wols_ i knew it was something simple :p |
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| 04:06.05 | JordiGH | Well, that didn't do squat. |
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| 04:09.48 | extor | Is there a way to fix grub up so that it tries a new kernel for 15 minutes, and if not told everything is A-OK it reboots back to the previous kernel? |
| 04:10.15 | JordiGH | I don't think grub has any control after it boots a kernel... |
| 04:10.35 | helo_ | you can set the new kernel up to not be the grub default, and then boot it |
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| 04:10.43 | lindenle1 | where does slapd log to? |
| 04:10.46 | helo_ | after 15 minutes, you can set it to the grub default if you are still able |
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| 04:11.09 | JordiGH | extor: Do you not have physical access to the machine in question? |
| 04:11.21 | extor | helo how do you boot a kernel that is not the defaul when you just have ssh access |
| 04:11.32 | JordiGH | As I feared. |
| 04:11.32 | extor | JordiGH no it is just a remote web serve |
| 04:11.32 | extor | si |
| 04:11.44 | extor | I heard there was some sorta "fallback" trick with grub |
| 04:12.08 | helo_ | you should install the new kernel and test it on a local machine with similar hardware before deploying it... |
| 04:12.26 | JordiGH | Oh, like this: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 04:12.39 | extor | helo I doubt I got a similar NIC card |
| 04:12.43 | zxcvbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.43 | zxcvbs | Something oriented to requirements analysis of small business/ companies needs. |
| 04:13.17 | extor | JordiGH, yeah that looks like what I may need. It makes things foolproof, right? |
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| 04:13.35 | JordiGH | extor: Depends on the kind of fail, I guess. |
| 04:13.56 | extor | well I can make it an "anything fail unless I say it succeeds" |
| 04:14.06 | extor | But having a cronjob that reboots every 30 minutes? |
| 04:14.25 | JordiGH | extor: That's assuming that the boot process gets far enough to start crond |
| 04:14.35 | lindenle1 | I had the wrong permissions it works now |
| 04:14.42 | JordiGH | Which is a reasonable assumption, unless the new linux is full of fail. :-) |
| 04:14.45 | extor | but if it doesnt..then grub fallback reboots the box |
| 04:14.53 | JordiGH | shrugs. |
| 04:15.06 | extor | JohnDoh, my fear is the new kernel will not bring up the NIC interface properly and thus not allow ssh access |
| 04:15.15 | JordiGH | I don't know exactly what grub considers a fallback. Anything less than a kernel panic? |
| 04:15.34 | extor | Gosh this is scary |
| 04:15.36 | JordiGH | extor: Do you really have to do this remotely? |
| 04:15.50 | extor | JordiGH, yeah unless I pay $25 a month for KVM |
| 04:15.53 | JordiGH | extor: Can't you wait until Monday, drive to work, and do it there? What's the rush to get a new kernel in tehre? :-) |
| 04:16.10 | extor | This isn't work. Its a server I rented 2000 miles away |
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| 04:16.38 | JordiGH | Isn't there someone over there taking care of that server that you can phone? |
| 04:16.45 | JordiGH | "Hey, if it doesn't work, kick the thing!" |
| 04:16.46 | extor | No |
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| 04:17.05 | extor | I could ask them for a reboot I guess but i never have so far |
| 04:17.21 | extor | It's not exactly top level service there |
| 04:17.26 | JordiGH | Well, then looks like you have to live with some risk. |
| 04:17.31 | JordiGH | Live dangerously. |
| 04:17.44 | JordiGH | Booting new kernels is the only way to feel alive. |
| 04:17.53 | extor | Yeah and when you live dangerously you have to look for solutions that reduce risk as much as possible |
| 04:18.15 | JordiGH | So do what you said. Use the fallback mechanism in grub and setup a cronjob. |
| 04:18.16 | extor | But before I get all adventurous I need to figure out how to use Xen or Vserver |
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| 04:20.40 | JordiGH | Won't it be fun when you do all this and the new kernel boots perfectly ok? |
| 04:20.41 | lindenle1 | what do i need to add to pam common-auth etc on debian to make users work from ldap |
| 04:20.46 | wols_ | extor: don't you have a rescue system by your provider which at least lets you access the system in such cases? |
| 04:22.16 | extor | wols I don't have that...why I don't have that is irrelevent since it is just not available |
| 04:22.59 | JordiGH | extor: Btw, I applaud your usage of the word "solution" because it's not synonymous with "software". |
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| 04:23.53 | extor | What is the best way to clone a remote debian LAMP box locally? How do I get a list of all the apt packages installed and mirror them in a vmware machine at home? |
| 04:24.12 | JordiGH | !clone |
| 04:24.12 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 04:24.15 | extor | well actually it is just the kernel and the NIC driver that matters right |
| 04:24.21 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 04:24.25 | JordiGH | !dpkg-clone |
| 04:24.32 | JordiGH | Where is that stupid factoid? |
| 04:24.47 | extor | I just need to clone / and /boot |
| 04:24.56 | extor | and get the exact same kernel and dev files |
| 04:25.15 | JordiGH | Are those italics? I don't see people use those much anymore. |
| 04:25.28 | extor | no? |
| 04:25.32 | JordiGH | extor: Yeah, there's a simple way to do it. dpkg --get-selections is one step. |
| 04:25.49 | JordiGH | It doesn't help that I've also forgotten how to query our boot. |
| 04:25.52 | JordiGH | dpkg, you suck. |
| 04:25.52 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 04:27.04 | andrew[andrboot] | hi wols_ any idea why ti is crashing out on sqlite3? i installed sqllite3,and the dev |
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| 04:30.54 | andrew[andrboot] | http://pastebin.com/m45eb4794 if anyone can help with my little "sqlite" problem :p |
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| 04:31.53 | lindenle1 | what is the proper init level for a debian server |
| 04:32.28 | wols_ | that's runlevel. debian always uses runlevel 2 by default |
| 04:32.38 | lindenle1 | i dont want x to start basically |
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| 04:32.47 | wols_ | !tell lindenle1 about nodm |
| 04:32.52 | JordiGH | lindenle1: You have to edit the init scripts yourself to do this. |
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| 04:33.25 | wols_ | andrew[andrboot]: it's the EXACT same problem as before |
| 04:33.40 | lindenle1 | thanks wols_ |
| 04:33.42 | JordiGH | Why doesn't Debian have an X-less runlevel, btw? Seems like a useful thing to have. |
| 04:33.56 | andrew[andrboot] | @ wols_ i installed the "dev" |
| 04:33.56 | wols_ | it once did |
| 04:34.00 | andrew[andrboot] | as far as i know |
| 04:34.06 | JordiGH | I was thinking of putting Debian into that mode when taking my laptop across airport security. Let them figure out how to use bash and get to my private files. |
| 04:34.18 | JordiGH | Security through airport security stupidity. |
| 04:34.25 | wols_ | andrew[andrboot]: your paste didn't show it. dpkg -l |grep sqlite |
| 04:34.30 | JordiGH | wols_: and why was it taken away? |
| 04:34.31 | WarriorSlayer | guys which is the best image of debian to download? |
| 04:34.37 | WarriorSlayer | the testing beta 1? |
| 04:34.40 | WarriorSlayer | weekly or daily? |
| 04:34.44 | lindenle1 | !ipv6 |
| 04:34.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 04:34.45 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: etch |
| 04:34.54 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: not _any_ testing image |
| 04:34.58 | WarriorSlayer | wols_ and update to lenny every time? |
| 04:35.09 | andrew[andrboot] | grrr its not listed |
| 04:35.15 | wols_ | yes. or if your hardware isn't supported by etch kernel, a kmuto image |
| 04:35.20 | wols_ | !tell WarriorSlayer about kmuto |
| 04:35.21 | andrew[andrboot] | stupid gr |
| 04:35.32 | WarriorSlayer | wols_ can u give me a good repository for lenny upgrade? |
| 04:35.42 | wols_ | !tell WarriorSlayer about mirrors |
| 04:35.59 | WarriorSlayer | ty ^^ |
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| 04:39.27 | wols_ | JordiGH: don't. create another user and make the user the default with gdmconfig (log in that automatically) |
| 04:39.48 | wols_ | put a few mails in there. a mailinglist or two perhaps (tech related ones) |
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| 04:40.07 | wols_ | make it a bit look "lived in" |
| 04:41.00 | wols_ | airpotz security can confiscate your hardware if they deem it or you suspicious. and they won't give it back. soon there will be copyright police there which will also look for movies |
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| 04:42.01 | JordiGH | wols_: You think that's better? Steganography? I just hope they don't freak out when they see Debian. I really don't have to install Windows on my poor Iris just to get her through security. :-( |
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| 04:42.47 | wols_ | not steganography. simply amke another account. move the ~ of the real one to /var or so for the duration of the flight |
| 04:43.42 | wols_ | basically add plausible deniability: oh that, that's some old stuff I used |
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| 04:44.26 | BubbaT | Mount points are good places to hide things. |
| 04:44.33 | wols_ | TSA won't grep your whole 60GB |
| 04:45.08 | Rusty1 | they might |
| 04:45.56 | wols_ | only if you make them suspicious. like encrypting stuff. the idea is to make the fake one very easy to access (auto login) and looking innocent |
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| 04:47.17 | BubbaT | There was an article on slashdot about a guy who missed his flight because the TSA people couldn't believe his airbook (?) was a real laptop. |
| 04:47.43 | JordiGH | wols_: What am I going to do about my encrypted hard drive? |
| 04:47.46 | xsdg | BubbaT: macbook air |
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| 04:48.07 | BubbaT | Finally some TSA erson came along who had seen one before and they let him through, but he missed his flight. |
| 04:48.08 | wols_ | JordiGH: decrypt it for them, seriously. enter the password and let them look around on it |
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| 04:48.14 | superfirelord42 | i have been through air port security before with a laptop, they didnt even turn it on, they just put it though the conveyor belt to scan it... |
| 04:48.20 | JordiGH | Would they get suspicious if they saw a Debian boot screen with all those scary hacker-like letters scrolling? |
| 04:48.33 | wols_ | JordiGH: by now they heard of linux |
| 04:48.36 | xsdg | JordiGH: what airport are you talking about? |
| 04:48.45 | BubbaT | hacker0like letters? |
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| 04:49.20 | JordiGH | BubbaT: Most people's experience with a text-only nowadays only comes from when they saw Trinity use nmap. |
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| 04:49.39 | BubbaT | Who is Trinity? |
| 04:49.44 | JordiGH | BubbaT: My students (I teach high school) think I'm breaking school security when they see me working with bash. |
| 04:49.47 | wols_ | JordiGH: if your debian boots for nice friendly gnome or such with a browser they can click I doubt they'll say anything |
| 04:49.51 | JordiGH | BubbaT: She's a character from the Matrix movies. |
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| 04:50.03 | wols_ | if the notebook is non functional, then they will be curious |
| 04:50.08 | BubbaT | Yeah missed those. |
| 04:50.31 | xsdg | wols_, JordiGH: what are you all talking about? |
| 04:50.49 | wols_ | xsdg: TSA searches of electronic devices |
| 04:50.50 | JordiGH | xsdg: Privacy and thwarting state snooping with Debian. |
| 04:51.08 | JordiGH | Do we have reason to believe that NSA may have broken AES? |
| 04:51.22 | superfirelord42 | i have never seen airport security turn on a laptop before to check it... which airport is this? |
| 04:51.29 | xsdg | nods at superfirelord42 |
| 04:51.30 | xsdg | me neither |
| 04:51.47 | wols_ | JordiGH: even if they did, unless you are a member of al qaeda they won't spend the millions of CPU hours to crack your key |
| 04:52.13 | JordiGH | superfirelord42: There have been horror stories in the rumour mills. |
| 04:52.13 | BubbaT | A great practical joke would be on the way back get an old laptop and bring it back. Then Replace the boot loader with one that screams "This computer will self destruct in 5 seconds." |
| 04:52.26 | superfirelord42 | and i even had a laptop get stuck int he conveyor belt... they didnt even think twice about it, just shoved a rod through to nock it loose... |
| 04:52.28 | JordiGH | BubbaT: They take practical jokes seriously. |
| 04:52.30 | xsdg | BubbaT: uhh... maybe not |
| 04:52.34 | wols_ | superfirelord42: they do. it's just that with the mass of people they have to chec each day, they only do it very selectively |
| 04:52.38 | wols_ | but when they do... |
| 04:53.24 | wols_ | superfirelord42: have you ever been strip searched for drugs? |
| 04:53.32 | wols_ | at customs I mean |
| 04:53.47 | superfirelord42 | nope, they do that selectivly... |
| 04:53.50 | wols_ | I never have, not even seen it, but I don't doubt for a minute they're doing it |
| 04:53.58 | superfirelord42 | i think they do that on suspicion |
| 04:54.04 | BubbaT | Of course the bigger practical joke is to convince someone else to do. Then you can have a great laugh when you hear about it in the news, and when you wonder whose butmonkey your fraind is. |
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| 04:55.30 | superfirelord42 | someone was joking about the piolit about the piolit drinking the night before... delayed the flight for 4 hours, and got the accuser kicked off hte plane after the piloit was checked extensivly for drugs.... |
| 04:56.04 | simonrvn | "pilot"? |
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| 04:56.27 | jello | rhymes with pirate... |
| 04:56.31 | BubbaT | The simple thing to do is to hide things under mount points. For example, go to run level 1, unmount /usr/local move your sensitive stuff to /usr/local. then reboot. Even the most knowledgeble people often miss it. |
| 04:56.36 | superfirelord42 | ill admit, i cannot spell, you should see me trying to type commands in a command prompt |
| 04:57.47 | liable | bash completion ftw |
| 04:58.01 | superfirelord42 | liable: yup, it sure is a life saver |
| 04:58.12 | JordiGH | My dad used to be able to sneak me into the flight deck and I could fly for free. |
| 04:58.20 | JordiGH | That's when I was a kid. |
| 04:58.24 | JordiGH | Those were simpler times. |
| 04:58.27 | simonrvn | superfirelord42: thanks, i was wondering |
| 04:58.31 | BubbaT | I prefer zsh completion. |
| 04:58.38 | JordiGH | kash! |
| 04:58.41 | simonrvn | zsh++ |
| 04:58.45 | jello | !start a shell war |
| 04:58.45 | netdaemon | really needs to try zsh |
| 04:58.46 | dpkg | tcsh is worse than posh |
| 04:58.49 | lfs | :1,$s/etch/lenny/g |
| 04:58.56 | JordiGH | posh? :-) |
| 04:59.02 | simonrvn | dash |
| 04:59.02 | superfirelord42 | at least i havent done any drastic complete computer destroying typoes, worst i did was removed my boot directory acidently... |
| 04:59.07 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 04:59.09 | superfirelord42 | posh? |
| 04:59.20 | jello | lfs: use % instead of 1,$ |
| 04:59.22 | simonrvn | posix-something shell |
| 04:59.27 | JordiGH | !info posh |
| 04:59.45 | lfs | Is that all I need to upgrade? |
| 04:59.51 | superfirelord42 | !posh |
| 04:59.53 | BubbaT | I have seen SCM repositories totaly wiped out by users. Twice it was me who did it. |
| 04:59.59 | dpkg | posh: (Policy-compliant Ordinary SHell), section shells, is optional. Version: 0.6.7 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 05:00.05 | simonrvn | ah |
| 05:00.24 | liable | !qotd30 |
| 05:00.24 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 05:00.31 | simonrvn | !info dash |
| 05:00.33 | dpkg | dash: (POSIX-compliant shell), section shells, is optional. Version: 0.5.4-9 (sid), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 05:00.55 | JordiGH | Policy-compliant, whose policy? |
| 05:01.01 | simonrvn | probably debian? |
| 05:01.03 | superfirelord42 | Posix policies? |
| 05:01.05 | Supaplex | it says posix |
| 05:01.07 | jello | debian-policy allows some XSMisms that aren't strictly POSIX |
| 05:01.09 | Supaplex | !posix |
| 05:01.09 | dpkg | somebody said posix was The Portable Operating System Interface - The GNU library is also compatible with the IEEE POSIX family of standards, known more formally as the Portable Operating System Interface for Computer Environments. POSIX is derived mostly from various versions of the Unix operating system. |
| 05:01.40 | Supaplex | and poorly supported on some non-free oses :P |
| 05:01.52 | simonrvn | yhrly |
| 05:02.05 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Yeah, Mac OS X is POSIX. :-( |
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| 05:02.15 | Supaplex | "some" |
| 05:02.17 | JordiGH | If Mac OS X is POSIX, so is Gobo Linux. |
| 05:02.30 | JordiGH | Empty /home, wtf |
| 05:02.48 | Supaplex | rm -Rf .. == bad |
| 05:02.49 | simonrvn | unmounted? |
| 05:02.55 | superfirelord42 | rm -rf |
| 05:02.59 | superfirelord42 | ah, beaten to it... |
| 05:03.29 | kterry | rm -rf /* |
| 05:03.38 | liable | yeah, more like unmounted |
| 05:04.31 | BubbaT | Hmm. I was running to many apps at once, Now my LAN ( and smb ) cannot see this computer. Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 05:04.40 | BubbaT | Short of rebooting. |
| 05:05.07 | kterry | sudo shutdown -r now |
| 05:05.18 | superfirelord42 | ummm, isnt that rebooting? |
| 05:05.22 | kterry | yes |
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| 05:05.35 | jello | BubbaT: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 05:05.52 | BubbaT | jello, tried that and networking |
| 05:06.00 | superfirelord42 | is samba running? |
| 05:06.21 | kterry | ps -e |grep smbd |
| 05:07.09 | lfs | :%s/etch/lenny/g |
| 05:07.11 | lfs | :w |
| 05:07.17 | lfs | now what? |
| 05:07.30 | wols_ | !tell lfs about etch->lenny |
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| 05:08.37 | oceanborn | Why kmail depends on exim4? wtf? |
| 05:08.37 | ice63 | wols_: is xmms going to be in lenny ? |
| 05:08.59 | jello | xmms is dead |
| 05:09.07 | simonrvn | deps on m-t-a i bet |
| 05:09.18 | jello | exim | m-t-a more likely... |
| 05:09.24 | simonrvn | nods |
| 05:09.48 | superfirelord42 | i think they where moving to xmms2... |
| 05:09.50 | oceanborn | why mta needed by desktop app? there should be an option |
| 05:09.58 | jello | or audacity |
| 05:10.09 | lfs | what is difference between apt-get update and aptitude update? |
| 05:10.28 | superfirelord42 | audacity? i thought xmms is a music player? audacity is a recorder... isnt it? |
| 05:10.36 | jello | oceanborn: use ssmtp, if you don't care |
| 05:10.41 | simonrvn | audacious myabe? |
| 05:10.45 | simonrvn | maybe |
| 05:10.49 | jello | yeah, that |
| 05:10.56 | jello | uses amarok.. |
| 05:11.20 | superfirelord42 | uses mpg123 |
| 05:11.20 | jello | oceanborn: there needs to be some way to get email off the local machine; an mta does that |
| 05:11.21 | lfs | apt-get update and aptitude update do the same thing? |
| 05:11.27 | jello | lfs: not quite |
| 05:11.37 | jello | mostly though |
| 05:11.50 | lfs | I always used apt-get |
| 05:11.50 | plota | audacious is pretty nice, even does wma files |
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| 05:12.17 | jello | aptitude is recommended for dist-upgrades |
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| 05:12.45 | markybob | which has nothing to do with what he asked. he asked about update, not upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 05:12.58 | jello | so he did... nm |
| 05:13.20 | oceanborn | jello, i user hsould install mta for that as an separate package (not strictly dependence) because it's very specific thing to read local mail. desktop users don't need it. |
| 05:13.24 | markybob | lfs, they are the same |
| 05:13.25 | jello | though he was talking about etch->lenny... |
| 05:13.35 | lfs | I am about to run both, just want to make sure I wont have problems. |
| 05:14.30 | jello | oceanborn: most mua allow sending of mail, and that requires an mta; therefore depend on mta |
| 05:14.39 | plota | if i'm to compile packages from source on debian, should i be using /usr/local as my installation and library directories? |
| 05:14.52 | plota | or not packages, or packages in tarball form, or stuff |
| 05:14.54 | jello | why are you doing that? |
| 05:15.13 | plota | i'm not, i'm just wondering if i wanted to do that, if it'd break anything |
| 05:15.16 | jello | unpackaged stuff you mean? |
| 05:15.26 | markybob | plota, yes. dont let it mix with the managed packages in /usr |
| 05:15.47 | jello | plota: yes, /usr is reserved for the packaging system |
| 05:15.55 | jello | sysadmin can use /usr/local or /opt |
| 05:15.57 | plota | i see, that makes it simpler |
| 05:16.18 | jello | see the FHS for more details :) |
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| 05:21.33 | jair | guys, I am planning is use a NTP server but instead syncornizing the time with the internet, just syncronize it for the clients inside the network. It is that duable? at least until the security people enable access to the internet through port 123 UDP |
| 05:22.43 | jello | jair: where will the server get its time source? |
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| 05:23.32 | jello | you need a reference clock of some sort if you're not getting it from another server on the net |
| 05:23.34 | BubbaT | Sigh guess i have to reboot. brb |
| 05:23.35 | jair | jello: I will be looking at the time and put it manually, can that work? |
| 05:23.45 | jello | not very well... |
| 05:23.54 | jair | jello: the thing is that I do not have a ccess to the net |
| 05:24.02 | wols_ | jair: use a radio clock. most countries broadcast a time signal |
| 05:24.09 | jair | no no |
| 05:24.12 | jair | I need a server |
| 05:24.19 | jello | yes, you need a server |
| 05:24.20 | jair | this is the case: |
| 05:24.26 | jello | but that server needs an accurate clock |
| 05:24.39 | jair | I have around 200 virtual machines and 200 native systems |
| 05:24.43 | jello | otherwise all machines will be synced to the same wrong time |
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| 05:25.21 | jair | all of them including the ESX servers and XEN servers, have clocks with different times, so each time I configure a new system, the clock have to be set, manually |
| 05:25.35 | jello | hence the suggestion of a radio clock which can be attached to the ntp server (via serial port?) and then it can provide time to all your machines |
| 05:25.44 | lindenle1 | what is the default common-auth,password,account for debian |
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| 05:26.00 | lfs | Here goes I am doing aptitude update |
| 05:26.13 | jair | jello: that is not a problem, at least I am addressing my issue, if I need to change the time on all the servers I just need to do it in that NTP server. |
| 05:26.45 | lfs | Shouldn't I do aptitude upgrade before aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 05:27.17 | markybob | lfs, what are you doing, anyway? what's the goal? upgrading from etch to lenny? |
| 05:27.26 | jair | lfs: I wil suggest, aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:27.45 | lfs | upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 05:27.48 | markybob | !etch->lenny |
| 05:27.49 | jair | I see |
| 05:27.49 | jello | good night all |
| 05:27.54 | jair | jello: ? |
| 05:28.01 | jello | jair: yes? |
| 05:28.06 | jair | jello: you did not answered me? |
| 05:28.10 | jair | then I can do that? |
| 05:28.18 | jello | yeah, you can do it. |
| 05:28.22 | lfs | OK about to hit enter key |
| 05:28.24 | jair | and later find a radio clock with serial connection or usb connection? |
| 05:28.35 | jello | most likely |
| 05:28.43 | markybob | lfs `aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 05:28.51 | jair | ok jello I will be testing it at home then for now, but at home I can get to the net :D |
| 05:28.55 | lfs | Now the software updates button popped up before I hit enter? |
| 05:28.57 | markybob | lfs, after you move to lenny, you'll wanna use aptitude safe-upgrade from then on |
| 05:29.02 | simonrvn | jello: g'night buddy |
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| 05:29.08 | jello | g'night all |
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| 05:30.17 | lfs | Should I click the software updates buttion? |
| 05:30.22 | Kevin` | jair: GPS devices provide an precise time source, but it's skewed releative to GMT, so you need a second source present |
| 05:30.28 | Kevin` | just fyi.. |
| 05:30.52 | jair | Kevin`: Thank you buddy |
| 05:30.53 | markybob | lfs, no. just do what i said |
| 05:31.00 | Kevin` | for most purposes the skew is meaningless though. a few seconds I think |
| 05:31.07 | Kevin` | so you COULD ignore it and use only that as a source |
| 05:31.15 | jair | I think that for now I will check on the internet the correct time and set up y NTP server that way |
| 05:31.28 | lfs | done |
| 05:31.36 | jair | at least all the other machines willl have the right time once I change this only one server. |
| 05:31.54 | superfirelord42 | hmm, strange, i am having trouble installing wine.... for some reason i cannot get a newer version than .9 something from the repo, however according to dpkg |
| 05:31.57 | superfirelord42 | !info wine |
| 05:32.02 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API implementation - standard suite), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0-rc2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 930 kB, Installed size: 992 kB |
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| 05:32.13 | lfs | It is asking bout leaving dependencies unresolved |
| 05:32.30 | simonrvn | that's sid. you need etch? then get that deb source from winehq.org |
| 05:32.35 | lfs | Score is -2799 |
| 05:32.35 | lfs | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] |
| 05:32.51 | superfirelord42 | winehq.org source is .9 something... |
| 05:32.54 | markybob | let me try to use my amazing spiritual power to see what's on lfs's screen... |
| 05:32.57 | markybob | nope, i fail |
| 05:33.08 | superfirelord42 | is sid after or before etch? |
| 05:33.14 | lfs | Leave the following dependencies unresolved: |
| 05:33.14 | lfs | gnome-games recommends python-opengl |
| 05:33.16 | simonrvn | neither |
| 05:33.20 | lfs | hplip recommends hplip-gui |
| 05:33.20 | lfs | rhythmbox recommends gnome-app-install |
| 05:33.25 | superfirelord42 | oh, unstable next version... |
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| 05:33.47 | markybob | !pastebin |
| 05:33.47 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 05:33.49 | simonrvn | sid is unstable, which is the beta software source |
| 05:34.24 | superfirelord42 | would it be bad to install a package from sid onto etch? |
| 05:34.35 | superfirelord42 | a forced install... |
| 05:34.37 | markybob | yes |
| 05:34.40 | hoxu | !ssb |
| 05:34.40 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 05:35.32 | lfs | WHat is pastebin pipe? |
| 05:36.08 | markybob | you should ask dpkg, like it told you too :P |
| 05:36.13 | markybob | !tell lfs about pastebin pipe |
| 05:36.41 | superfirelord42 | i must be doing something wrong, i am asking dpkg about "backport wine" and its telling me to RTFM |
| 05:37.07 | lfs | what does score -2799 mean? |
| 05:38.10 | superfirelord42 | !backport wine |
| 05:39.02 | superfirelord42 | i dont think dpkg likes me here, lol |
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| 05:39.12 | markybob | you're probably using pidgin |
| 05:39.20 | markybob | you cant paste commands in pidgin. you need to type it out |
| 05:39.45 | superfirelord42 | i am using pidgin, i have not been pasting commands, i have been typing them out.. |
| 05:39.48 | superfirelord42 | and checking the spelling |
| 05:39.55 | superfirelord42 | i think i have hte syntax wrong... |
| 05:40.04 | markybob | is your nick registered? |
| 05:40.10 | nsx | you can't use "/ /command ..." or "/say /command" or anything like that? |
| 05:40.17 | lindenle1 | is root login from a virtual terminal disabled by default |
| 05:40.21 | lindenle1 | in debian stable |
| 05:40.36 | superfirelord42 | no, it is not |
| 05:40.42 | markybob | there you go |
| 05:40.46 | superfirelord42 | does that effect how dpkg works? |
| 05:40.51 | markybob | yes |
| 05:40.54 | superfirelord42 | it responds to me on everything else |
| 05:41.00 | lindenle1 | then i fed up my pam settings |
| 05:41.12 | markybob | lindenle1, i wasnt talking to you :P |
| 05:41.32 | markybob | lindenle1, are you talking about ssh, or x forwarding, or what? |
| 05:41.35 | superfirelord42 | markybob, can you do the command to it? |
| 05:41.39 | lindenle1 | superfirelord42: were you talking to me? |
| 05:41.55 | superfirelord42 | lindenle1: no, i was not... |
| 05:42.12 | markybob | !tell superfirelord42 about ssb |
| 05:42.16 | markybob | that's what you need to do |
| 05:42.16 | lindenle1 | markybob: ctrl-altF1 terminal |
| 05:42.35 | markybob | lindenle1, you should be able to do that. you fucked something up :P sorry |
| 05:42.40 | lindenle1 | sok |
| 05:42.42 | superfirelord42 | markybob: we are misscommunicating, that was not the command i was executing |
| 05:43.00 | lindenle1 | can someone point me to the orginal pam common-auth,account,password that come with debian |
| 05:43.01 | markybob | superfirelord42, regardless, it's what you need to do |
| 05:43.02 | superfirelord42 | it says "See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>" |
| 05:43.09 | markybob | !backports |
| 05:43.09 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 05:43.10 | superfirelord42 | how do i ask it? |
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| 05:44.00 | superfirelord42 | wait, isnt it supposed to accept !backport wine and tell us if there is a backport? |
| 05:44.15 | lfs | aptitude dist-upgrade asks some real hard questions |
| 05:44.18 | markybob | no. that factoid will just tell you to rtfm |
| 05:44.34 | markybob | lfs, then you probably shouldnt upgrade to a non-released distro :P |
| 05:44.35 | lfs | I have no idea if I want to accept the solution |
| 05:44.43 | superfirelord42 | ah, that explains why he kept sending me to the linux documentation project, sry.. |
| 05:44.56 | markybob | lfs, pastebin the whole thing, otherwise we cant help you. a line here and there isnt really helpful |
| 05:45.26 | superfirelord42 | lindenle1: are you still having root login problems? |
| 05:48.29 | lindenle1 | yes |
| 05:48.41 | lindenle1 | I need a paste of the common-* files from pam.d |
| 05:49.18 | superfirelord42 | have you tried sudo or su? |
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| 05:49.32 | lindenle1 | i think i needed md5 in the pam.d |
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| 05:50.59 | markybob | lindenle1, what version is this? slink? md5 has been default for ages :P |
| 05:51.31 | lindenle1 | i am using stable, but i was messing in them trying to get ldap working |
| 05:51.37 | lindenle1 | could you paste the defaults |
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| 05:55.32 | markybob | lindenle1, note the "THIS IS FILE" stuff. http://dpaste.com/54020/ |
| 05:55.44 | slxix | wow. XSS is much easier than I thought. |
| 05:55.46 | lindenle1 | awesome thx |
| 05:56.42 | lfs | I pasted to #flood |
| 06:01.50 | lfs | So should I accept the solution? |
| 06:02.11 | markybob | you should probably ask someone who's actually in #flood. or use a pastebin, like i said |
| 06:02.43 | lfs | http://dpaste.com/54021/ |
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| 06:02.52 | lindenle1 | im an ass |
| 06:02.55 | lfs | I couldn't figure out the lisp paster |
| 06:03.00 | lindenle1 | i had require |
| 06:03.06 | lindenle1 | not requied in common-password |
| 06:03.29 | markybob | lfs, that's it? those 7 lines? there's no more? |
| 06:03.58 | lfs | THere is a whole lot more, HOw much to post? |
| 06:04.10 | markybob | all of it |
| 06:06.06 | lfs | http://dpaste.com/54022/ |
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| 06:08.17 | markybob | that's probably ok |
| 06:08.39 | lfs | hit y? |
| 06:08.45 | markybob | yeah |
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| 06:10.55 | yang | there is no more flashplugin-nonfree package for adobe flash player in lenny? |
| 06:11.10 | markybob | yang, right |
| 06:11.21 | markybob | !tell yang about ssb |
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| 06:26.36 | rezende | someone knows UNIXCOD? |
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| 06:38.17 | ernstp | where can I find detailed documentation about everything that happens in the debian/rules file? |
| 06:39.04 | markybob | ernstp, new maintainer's guide |
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| 06:39.52 | ernstp | markybob: ah, was looking at the things called packaging guides |
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| 06:47.14 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
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| 06:47.33 | Aaron | hey how do i record my desktop with what program? |
| 06:47.44 | uzbek | i'd like to install a font. what is the easiest way to install it? |
| 06:48.10 | markybob | Aaron, recordmydesktop :P |
| 06:48.39 | markybob | uzbek, open fonts:/// in nautilus and copy the font into it |
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| 06:49.49 | uzbek | markybob, :) thanx. But my DE is Xfce4 |
| 06:50.22 | markybob | ask in #xfce? |
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| 06:50.42 | uzbek | ok, thanx markybob :) |
| 06:52.43 | simonrvn | Aaron: istanbul |
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| 06:53.23 | rezende | someone knows UNIXCODscan ? |
| 06:54.24 | Aaron | simonrvn, how do you installed windows fonts/ |
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| 06:55.36 | dererk | Is puccini down? |
| 06:57.02 | simonrvn | !msttcorefonts |
| 06:57.02 | dpkg | i guess msttcorefonts is a package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). The package is in contrib (ask me about <contrib>) or you can download them yourself from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ and ask me about <install font>. |
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| 07:07.33 | hoxu | interesting, last libncurses5 upgrade in sid caused irssi to freeze in scrollback for 1-10 seconds, until it was restarted |
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| 07:09.14 | tanner | why would my system not be forwarding ip traffic |
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| 07:09.51 | Assid | hrmm.. i think my box got compromised cause of the openssh vulnkey bug |
| 07:09.53 | ghosTM55 | hi all , i have a very oooold laptop , it has no cdrom , i can only insert a 3.5" floppy inside , how can i install a linux on it ? |
| 07:10.11 | hoxu | !tell ghosTM55 about hd-media |
| 07:10.26 | hoxu | !tell ghosTM55 about debootstrap |
| 07:10.54 | simonrvn | tanner: sysctl net/ipv4/ip_forward says what? |
| 07:10.55 | hoxu | !tell Assid about compromise check |
| 07:11.17 | ghosTM55 | hoxu: thx |
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| 07:11.38 | hoxu | ghosTM55, you should really heed what the "compromised system" factoid says, though... |
| 07:11.44 | drac | window 34 |
| 07:11.47 | drac | oops. :/ |
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| 07:12.15 | Assid | hoxu: yeah.. i updated the keys and everything |
| 07:12.24 | tanner | simonrvn: i manually set it to 1 |
| 07:12.36 | Assid | but i think i screwed up |
| 07:12.42 | ghosTM55 | hoxu: okay |
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| 07:12.44 | simonrvn | you also set up some iptables rules for it? |
| 07:12.49 | simonrvn | tanner: you also set up some iptables rules for it? |
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| 07:12.53 | tanner | no |
| 07:13.00 | simonrvn | !lartc |
| 07:13.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 07:13.02 | Assid | i changed the user passwords.. but didnt update the ssh keys ad that point of time |
| 07:13.25 | superfirelord42 | i deleted the home folders, how do I recreate them as root?\ |
| 07:13.26 | Assid | s/ad/at |
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| 07:13.41 | hoxu | ghosTM55, oops, that last line wasn't mean to you, but Assid |
| 07:13.57 | hoxu | !lart me |
| 07:13.57 | dpkg | hereby declares hoxu a troll |
| 07:14.02 | hoxu | :'( |
| 07:14.07 | ghosTM55 | hoxu: the real question is , i can't connect to the web |
| 07:14.09 | simonrvn | hoxu: TROLL! |
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| 07:14.12 | simonrvn | hoxu: :P |
| 07:14.15 | hoxu | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at simonrvn |
| 07:14.17 | simonrvn | hi, btw |
| 07:14.22 | simonrvn | gah! |
| 07:14.26 | Assid | hoxu: yeah i know.. traffic here is a bit slow .. enough to read all the lines and not search for the ones with my name in it |
| 07:14.31 | tanner | simonrvn: this is a vmware image, that has an eth1 bridged to a phyiscal nic. it should just be forwarding traffic out that interface |
| 07:14.34 | hoxu | simonrvn, lo, noticed it's sunday now? :p |
| 07:14.48 | simonrvn | long time ago ;p |
| 07:15.01 | simonrvn | disappears for a day |
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| 07:16.32 | dutchfish | can i find info why packages.debian.org is so slow to almost no access at all? |
| 07:16.54 | markybob | dutchfish, donate a server for us |
| 07:17.06 | Torne | I have testing+unstable in sources.list, with pins set up; is there a way to find out which installed packages are from unstable? |
| 07:17.14 | dutchfish | markybob: you need a server? |
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| 07:17.23 | markybob | Torne, no |
| 07:17.34 | markybob | dutchfish, if you want it to be faster/better :P |
| 07:17.42 | dutchfish | markybob: pm me |
| 07:17.59 | simonrvn | apt-cache policy |
| 07:18.48 | Torne | simonrvn: naw, i don't have pins for particular packages, just unstable at -50 |
| 07:19.04 | Torne | i've installed a bunch of stuff with apt-get install foo/unstable at various points |
| 07:19.11 | simonrvn | -50? o_O |
| 07:19.18 | dutchfish | markybob: isnt it mirrored? |
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| 07:19.24 | Torne | simonrvn: yah, don't install without being explicitly told to |
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| 07:19.55 | simonrvn | hm, i was under the impression anything under 500 did that |
| 07:20.01 | markybob | dutchfish, packages.debian.org, no. |
| 07:20.11 | Torne | simonrvn: not if there's no other version |
| 07:20.24 | Torne | simonrvn: priority 100 will still install unstable packages if the package isn't in testing at all |
| 07:20.32 | simonrvn | that's true |
| 07:20.39 | dutchfish | markybob: is that an option? or does it have just hardware problems? |
| 07:20.46 | Torne | anyway, if there's not, there's not, i guess. |
| 07:21.10 | Torne | hm, if i pin testing at >1000 i can see which ones it would downgrade |
| 07:21.16 | markybob | dutchfish, i dont represent anyone or debian, so i cant say. for information on donating, you should email hardware-donations@debian.org for info |
| 07:21.22 | simonrvn | you could go by versions, but that's not always reiable |
| 07:21.23 | Torne | but that won't include things that aren't in testing |
| 07:21.30 | simonrvn | rel* |
| 07:21.55 | Torne | close enough i guess |
| 07:21.58 | simonrvn | hm, maybe there's an apt- package tht does this |
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| 07:22.06 | dutchfish | markybob: that was not my question, i just want to know why it times out on plain http access so often |
| 07:22.17 | Torne | it doesn't look like this info is in the status file |
| 07:22.26 | markybob | dutchfish, it's simply an overloaded server |
| 07:22.28 | Torne | so i guess you'd have to work it out from the apt db |
| 07:22.34 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:22.39 | Torne | compare installed version to available versions |
| 07:22.54 | simonrvn | aptc policy lookup + other info i suppose |
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| 07:23.02 | dutchfish | markybob: thank you |
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| 07:23.08 | Torne | it's not vital anyway, thanks for the suggestions anyway folks |
| 07:23.14 | simonrvn | np |
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| 07:34.54 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:34.54 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
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| 07:35.41 | markybob | the kernel is the os? rich_ is an idiot :P |
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| 07:39.07 | spreeuw | hello does 4.0r3 have the sshd fix? |
| 07:39.30 | markybob | spreeuw, no |
| 07:39.34 | spreeuw | openssl fix |
| 07:39.54 | markybob | spreeuw, however, the installer will ask you to check for security updates, which will fix it |
| 07:40.03 | spreeuw | markybob: but dont keys get generated at install? |
| 07:40.41 | markybob | spreeuw, just allow the installer to check for upgrades and you'll be fine |
| 07:41.00 | simonrvn | yes... update and you'll see. |
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| 07:42.40 | zd32nv | on an openvpn net (small scale) is it possible for the client to sniff his/her own outbound packets to ensure that they're encrypted? |
| 07:43.09 | spreeuw | zd32nv: just dump the interface |
| 07:43.19 | markybob | tcpdump or wireshark will show you |
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| 07:44.30 | zd32nv | okay. thankyou. Silly question, but when looking for encryption, what exactly am i looking for? there's ascii chars that i can't interpret (during simple outbound ping) |
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| 07:45.00 | markybob | zd32nv, you look *nothing* that you can interpret :P |
| 07:45.04 | dutchfish | markybob: lol, turns out that packages.debian.org is ~60 km from me |
| 07:45.12 | zd32nv | i did tcpdump -nettti blah -X |
| 07:45.17 | spreeuw | zd32nv: make sure some readable text message goes over the line |
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| 07:45.20 | spreeuw | like irc |
| 07:45.21 | markybob | dutchfish, where in germany are you? |
| 07:45.27 | spreeuw | then try to find it |
| 07:45.31 | dutchfish | markybob: no, the netherlands |
| 07:45.33 | spreeuw | if you cant you're fine |
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| 07:45.49 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | is there a way to see more than one last login? |
| 07:45.58 | markybob | dutchfish, i actually just asked one of my osuosl friends if they could mirrors packages.debian.org, since they mirror the master repository anyway. unfortunately i was denied :( |
| 07:46.08 | spreeuw | dutch means from the netherlands |
| 07:46.12 | zd32nv | . |
| 07:46.40 | cahoot | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: as opposed the the outpout of 'last' ? |
| 07:46.55 | dutchfish | markybob: packages server cant be mirrored, found that out already as is lintian, search and lists |
| 07:46.55 | cahoot | s/the the/to the/ |
| 07:47.18 | zd32nv | tcpdump shows all packets outbound as udp |
| 07:47.20 | markybob | dutchfish, round-robin should work. why wouldnt it? |
| 07:47.23 | dutchfish | markybob: no problems with the others |
| 07:47.23 | zd32nv | but in terms of content, i've no idea |
| 07:47.31 | zd32nv | there isn't any pattern in encrypted data, is there? |
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| 07:47.40 | dutchfish | markybob: yeh, but not thats not the issue |
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| 07:47.49 | spreeuw | zd32nv: try netgrep or tcpdump |
| 07:48.01 | spreeuw | they can show packet payload also |
| 07:48.03 | zd32nv | spreeuw: -nettti -X is what i'm using |
| 07:48.08 | spreeuw | flick some switches |
| 07:48.10 | markybob | zd32nv, no. the whole point is to hide it |
| 07:48.28 | dutchfish | markybob: mmm... so long fail over then |
| 07:48.31 | miki | debian have repo for KDE4 beta or I must compile ? |
| 07:48.33 | zd32nv | would wget be a simple process? would http requests and such appear? |
| 07:48.38 | spreeuw | zd32nv: try the same test for a non encrypted conenction |
| 07:49.06 | spreeuw | yes wget should work |
| 07:49.16 | spreeuw | it sends urls in the plain |
| 07:49.18 | cahoot | miki: what incarnation of debian? |
| 07:49.19 | markybob | zd32nv, depends how it's done. it could still show up as http but not plain text so you cant see the data |
| 07:49.21 | dutchfish | markybob: i gues they also being used by ubuntu users ? |
| 07:49.29 | miki | testing |
| 07:49.35 | markybob | dutchfish, osuosl? yes, they mirror them too |
| 07:50.24 | dutchfish | markybob: is bts on the same? |
| 07:50.53 | markybob | dutchfish, nope |
| 07:50.58 | miki | cahoot, first time in debian ( i have here ubuntu suse and KDE4 from trunk) i just want to try KDE4 in debian |
| 07:51.00 | zd32nv | markybob, spreeuw: so with wget, at the very least, I would be able to see a http in the contents? |
| 07:51.07 | zd32nv | a 'http' |
| 07:51.12 | dutchfish | markybob: ok its only puccini.debian.org then i gues |
| 07:51.51 | markybob | zd32nv, i dont understand what you mean or how you'd use wget to sniff traffic |
| 07:51.57 | cahoot | miki: then I'd say no |
| 07:52.07 | miki | ok tnx |
| 07:52.14 | zd32nv | markybob: wget'ing a file, while tcpdumping the interface |
| 07:52.24 | zd32nv | markybob: nvm |
| 07:52.28 | markybob | zd32nv, yes, tcpdump should then show you the contents |
| 07:53.32 | dutchfish | zd32nv: html is plain text. period |
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| 07:53.53 | dutchfish | zd32nv: unless you use ssl |
| 07:53.56 | markybob | and email. most things that happen online are plain text :P |
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| 07:54.23 | zd32nv | okay |
| 07:54.46 | zd32nv | i think i've implemented openvpn correctly |
| 07:54.50 | dutchfish | zd32nv: but you can tunnel nearly everything with ssl ;) |
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| 07:55.26 | zd32nv | dutchfish: yep. this is just for a home wireless network.. using authpf + openvpn in place of the wep/wpa/whatever |
| 07:55.47 | dutchfish | zd32nv: huh ???? |
| 07:56.27 | zd32nv | dutchfish: don't want to go to the trouble of tunneling in ssl because it's a fairly small-scale operation |
| 07:56.29 | dutchfish | zd32nv: why would you encrypt twice? (uasuming you can do wpa/wpa2)? |
| 07:56.49 | zd32nv | dutchfish: where am i doing it twice? |
| 07:57.18 | dutchfish | zd32nv: openvpn you said ? |
| 07:57.47 | zd32nv | dutchfish: yep. came here to check that packets from clients were encrypted |
| 07:57.51 | zd32nv | not ssl-specific |
| 07:57.58 | dutchfish | zd32nv: k |
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| 07:58.32 | th1 | does anyone have experience good/bad with running a "full-ish" ubuntu 32-bit insite a chroot on an amd64 debian? |
| 07:58.49 | dutchfish | th1: it works |
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| 07:58.57 | th1 | dutchfish, cool, thanks |
| 07:59.11 | dutchfish | th1: but i prefer debian by far |
| 07:59.33 | th1 | dutchfish, yeah it's just for an easy way to get mythtv backend |
| 07:59.38 | th1 | temporary measure |
| 07:59.47 | dutchfish | th1: go the kvm/qemu road |
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| 08:00.01 | spreeuw | qemu is neat |
| 08:00.19 | th1 | dutchfish, I think a chroot will give better performance and less conflict of data access |
| 08:00.27 | dutchfish | th1: no, not |
| 08:00.28 | spreeuw | tip for emulation |
| 08:00.39 | spreeuw | put kernel HZ back to 250 or 100 |
| 08:00.45 | spreeuw | instead of 1000 |
| 08:00.54 | dutchfish | th1: unless you dont have kvm |
| 08:00.55 | spreeuw | on the guest |
| 08:01.02 | th1 | dutchfish, and I don't |
| 08:01.19 | dutchfish | th1: then i would choose xen |
| 08:01.23 | spreeuw | at work I use virtualbox |
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| 08:01.30 | spreeuw | on an xp host |
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| 08:01.41 | spreeuw | works pretty good with bridged networking |
| 08:02.00 | spreeuw | it uses qemu code |
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| 08:02.10 | th1 | as I said it's just a temporary solution to get a mythtv backend that's compatible with my ubuntu frontend.. the chroot will do for that, and fthen when I have time I can change all to debian and build myth from source which is what I really want.. |
| 08:02.23 | dutchfish | spreeuw: but not for hardware access, also virtualbox is need, it does a poor job on that |
| 08:02.32 | dutchfish | s/need/neat |
| 08:02.46 | DynV | could you suggest me the most used and/or best music sharing (preferably lossless-flac) software ? I have debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:03.15 | spreeuw | DynV: bittorrent |
| 08:03.25 | spreeuw | and for lossy soulseek |
| 08:03.32 | spreeuw | (nicotine+) |
| 08:03.32 | dutchfish | DynV: xmms2 |
| 08:03.59 | DynV | spreeuw: what about dutchfish suggestion ? |
| 08:04.06 | spreeuw | DynV: also direct connect has fast pipes on it |
| 08:04.18 | spreeuw | DynV: that's a musicplayer |
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| 08:04.28 | DynV | :) |
| 08:04.38 | dutchfish | DynV: no its a daemon for streaming on our lan |
| 08:05.02 | DynV | dutchfish: I want to d/l |
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| 08:05.25 | spreeuw | pirats on the starboard bow |
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| 08:05.56 | dutchfish | DynV: then i think you are in the wrong channel |
| 08:06.14 | spreeuw | DynV: find linuxdc++ |
| 08:06.20 | spreeuw | and nicotine+ |
| 08:06.37 | spreeuw | and a bittorrent client |
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| 08:06.57 | DynV | spreeuw: different networks ? |
| 08:06.57 | spreeuw | rtorrent is nice, or azureus for gui |
| 08:07.00 | spreeuw | yes |
| 08:07.31 | markybob | dutchfish, speaking of which, have you seen the kvm/vmware/vbox benchmarks on my site? you might find them interesting |
| 08:08.04 | zd32nv | hahah @ pirate comment |
| 08:08.04 | dutchfish | th1: why not make some space (wich you need anyway) on your drive and install and boot it directly? |
| 08:08.17 | dutchfish | th1: saves yourself alot of trouble |
| 08:08.30 | th1 | because I need the debian server for all my other stuff |
| 08:08.40 | markybob | dutchfish, th1, http://www.dipconsultants.com/bench/ |
| 08:08.41 | dutchfish | th1: ah ok |
| 08:08.55 | zd32nv | for me, gift always seems to download corrupted files |
| 08:09.03 | DynV | spreeuw: bitorrent is supposed to be installed but can't find it in my menu and the command spur : bash: bittorrent: command not found |
| 08:09.14 | zd32nv | or perhaps, the retrieved files are fine themselves, but divine intervention takes place |
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| 08:09.27 | spreeuw | DynV: try transmission or whatever debian installs |
| 08:09.35 | dutchfish | th1: where is xen on thta lists? |
| 08:09.39 | spreeuw | DynV: or open a torrent in your browser |
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| 08:09.48 | spreeuw | find one on mininova.org for instance |
| 08:09.54 | th1 | dutchfish, I don't see why I need xen when I only need one server ;) |
| 08:09.59 | spreeuw | the debian iso ofcourse |
| 08:10.02 | spreeuw | not illegal content |
| 08:10.28 | dutchfish | th1: speed |
| 08:10.50 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | markybob: whats ur site? |
| 08:10.51 | th1 | and complexity |
| 08:10.59 | markybob | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, http://www.dipconsultants.com/bench/ |
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| 08:11.54 | streuner_ | !kernel |
| 08:11.56 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.25.4, prepatch: 2.6.26-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.26-rc4-git4, 2.4: 2.4.36.4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.26-rc2-mm1 |
| 08:11.59 | DynV | spreeuw: can i PM you ? |
| 08:12.29 | zd32nv | markybob: typo spotted |
| 08:12.37 | markybob | zd32nv, where? |
| 08:12.38 | zd32nv | *constantly |
| 08:12.43 | dutchfish | th1: dont use this channel for commercials |
| 08:12.51 | th1 | dutchfish, ??? |
| 08:13.04 | markybob | zd32nv, file/line#? |
| 08:13.27 | markybob | \\ |
| 08:13.30 | zd32nv | ~bench/ second sentence |
| 08:13.36 | spreeuw | DynV: yeah |
| 08:14.25 | Supaplex | !mmorpg bass thumping neighborhood jerks at 2am |
| 08:14.25 | dpkg | fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at bass thumping neighborhood jerks at 2am for a total of 993 damage! |
| 08:14.34 | Supaplex | schweet |
| 08:15.35 | dutchfish | th1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines (better link) |
| 08:16.29 | SerajewelKS | just when i thought i had ALSA and pulseaudio playing together well... |
| 08:16.35 | SerajewelKS | they become mutually exclusive again |
| 08:16.37 | Assid | hrmm.. if you can avoid VM's and use VE's like openvz.. you can save alot of resources |
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| 08:17.05 | markybob | fuck. where's abortman? |
| 08:17.11 | th1 | dutchfish, I didn't post the other link if that's what you were referring to re. "commercials" |
| 08:17.19 | zd32nv | so what is the deal with pulseaudio? is that the successor to Alsa? |
| 08:17.20 | th1 | and yes that's a better link |
| 08:17.21 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: last few versions have been mostly good for me... though last update started getting the old weirdness again |
| 08:17.51 | wathek | hello all I've a problem with cups I've installed cups 1.2.7 on my Debian Etch 4 and when I try to add a printer remotely I get this error : E [01/Jun/2008:11:09:00 +0200] encrypt_client: Unable to encrypt connection from 192.168.1.100! |
| 08:17.53 | wathek | E [01/Jun/2008:11:09:00 +0200] encrypt_client: A TLS fatal alert has been received. |
| 08:18.06 | simonrvn | zd32nv: no YA sound daemon, that actually (when it behaves as expected) works well |
| 08:18.07 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: shrug, i dunno what is up. i did just change my mobo so hardware change may have confused it. |
| 08:18.18 | dutchfish | th1: you are correct i should have adressed it to markybob |
| 08:18.21 | zd32nv | simonrvn: YA? |
| 08:18.22 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: but once again if i'm playing sound through alsa then PA can't play shit and vice-versa. |
| 08:18.33 | simonrvn | yet another |
| 08:18.37 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: :/ |
| 08:18.53 | markybob | dutchfish, addressed what to me? |
| 08:18.57 | zd32nv | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.04 | Supaplex | markybob: he exploded in the splash damage from dpkg's mmorpg weapon |
| 08:19.09 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: this is one thing that linux just has yet to get right. well, and wifi. |
| 08:19.20 | dutchfish | markybob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 08:19.28 | markybob | eek |
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| 08:19.37 | SerajewelKS | right now it's not even close to right. it's better than it was but it's still a very long way off. |
| 08:19.48 | markybob | i need passage from chicago to europe. anyhwere there. |
| 08:19.59 | dutchfish | Supaplex: lineage2? |
| 08:20.23 | dutchfish | oh well its sunday |
| 08:20.46 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: my "new" pci sound card is liking it, for the most part |
| 08:21.08 | markybob | i feel like an old bastard. i've done my decades, but now i need to move on. US is over for me |
| 08:21.09 | simonrvn | wouldn't know about wifi, as i don't do that |
| 08:21.19 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: oh and don't forget about new ALSA weirdness too |
| 08:21.37 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: hw:0,0 only plays sound out the left channel, but plughw:0,0 plays out both |
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| 08:21.50 | simonrvn | ...but seeing from the number of questions that coe up here about tht, well, i'm of the opinion that it's not really the kernel's fault. |
| 08:22.11 | SerajewelKS | and applications do not seem to have any predictable pattern for choosing which device to use |
| 08:22.15 | SerajewelKS | so fuck it |
| 08:22.21 | simonrvn | mutters something about closed specced crappy hw and firmware blobs |
| 08:23.11 | SerajewelKS | sound is just so horribly broken all-around |
| 08:23.24 | spreeuw | get an old sblive gold |
| 08:23.31 | spreeuw | 5 euro |
| 08:23.43 | simonrvn | my sb16 worked ok too |
| 08:23.45 | markybob | i neee french colunteers |
| 08:23.53 | markybob | do i know any french bastards? |
| 08:23.56 | spreeuw | yeah but the live has nice hw mixing |
| 08:24.01 | spreeuw | and digiout |
| 08:24.10 | spreeuw | and a wellsupported driver |
| 08:24.12 | spreeuw | emu10k1 |
| 08:24.12 | simonrvn | this one is a ... |
| 08:24.26 | simonrvn | 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 08:24.30 | Supaplex | Can you hear me now? |
| 08:24.36 | spreeuw | yeah thta sounds like onbioard crap |
| 08:24.41 | spreeuw | thats unlistenable anyway |
| 08:24.46 | SerajewelKS | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia |
| 08:24.47 | spreeuw | digiout or not |
| 08:25.25 | simonrvn | Supaplex: no |
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| 08:25.44 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: and sound drivers in an OS should work well regardless of how much you spent on a card and whether it is onboard or not |
| 08:25.46 | dutchfish | feeling lucky he is well over 50 so he cant hear the difference anyway |
| 08:25.55 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: alsa can output to PA |
| 08:25.55 | markybob | ok, i literally need < 60 strings stranslated into french |
| 08:25.57 | simonrvn | snd_cmipci driver |
| 08:26.00 | markybob | who's up for it? |
| 08:26.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: which works just fine with everything but skype |
| 08:26.07 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: when windows can still multiplex fine, it is distincly not the hardware's fault |
| 08:26.10 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: of corse |
| 08:26.11 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and wine |
| 08:26.12 | spreeuw | SerajewelKS: complain with your mainboard manufacturer |
| 08:26.15 | markybob | $15 cost |
| 08:26.16 | simonrvn | course* |
| 08:26.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: both of which, ironically, are what i am using |
| 08:26.24 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: wine, just use the esd plugin |
| 08:26.25 | simonrvn | damn, what's with my typos today? |
| 08:26.28 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: again, not their fault either |
| 08:26.31 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: works perfectly fine |
| 08:26.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: then i get 2-second lag |
| 08:26.49 | spreeuw | SerajewelKS: true the fault is that you chose to use a broken card |
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| 08:26.54 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ah, no idea, thats not bothering me |
| 08:27.02 | spreeuw | unless it's well supported but misconfigured |
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| 08:27.07 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: strange definition of "broken" |
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| 08:27.26 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: all i'm seeing are linux userland sound mixing utilities squabbling with each other |
| 08:27.31 | markybob | cmon. $15 for 4 minute's work. help a brotha outh :P |
| 08:27.34 | Trewas | SerajewelKS: windows uses software-mixing when the sound card does not support hw-mixing, the difference to linux (well, alsa/pa/whatever) that the sw-mixing actually works there |
| 08:27.36 | SerajewelKS | not sure where the hardware comes in |
| 08:27.57 | SerajewelKS | Trewas: indeed |
| 08:28.06 | spreeuw | SerajewelKS: ok we're having differing discussions then |
| 08:28.16 | spreeuw | thought it was about cards and drivers |
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| 08:28.28 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: yes. and i'm not even sure i agree with your opinion anyway. |
| 08:28.38 | spreeuw | thats ok |
| 08:28.50 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: when windows is kicking linux's ass with a particular card, i don't think the card is to blame, nor the mfr |
| 08:28.50 | trifler | What do I change to make the aptitude installer not look for the cdrom? |
| 08:29.12 | valdyn | trifler: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:29.36 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: and spending more money on a card that happens to work well in linux is not always an option, nor should it have to be done |
| 08:29.42 | SerajewelKS | anyway |
| 08:30.04 | markybob | i dont give a fuck who's to blam. does anyone speak portugueses and spanish well enough to help me i8ln theese bastards for a fee? |
| 08:30.06 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it is very odd though, with ALSA wine has no sound lag then with esd it does in fact use PA but lags horribly |
| 08:30.09 | spreeuw | no, if you like to wrestle days with it and have shit sound quality |
| 08:30.13 | th1 | markybob, use google language tools ;) |
| 08:30.13 | spreeuw | by all means use onboard |
| 08:30.24 | trifler | valdyn: Ty |
| 08:30.29 | markybob | th1, just not good engough. i've tried |
| 08:30.34 | spreeuw | for a few euro and often for free |
| 08:30.35 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: define quality, it could mean many things |
| 08:30.39 | spreeuw | you can get sblives |
| 08:30.42 | spreeuw | is what I'm saying |
| 08:30.46 | spreeuw | which work well |
| 08:30.48 | th1 | markybob, it's probably better htan anything you'll get for $15 ;) |
| 08:30.51 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: what about padsp and oss in wine? |
| 08:31.04 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm on amd64, wine needs to be compiled 32-bit |
| 08:31.11 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i havent tried that one because im not into setting this up on amd64 |
| 08:31.13 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.13 | SerajewelKS | so no preloading for me |
| 08:31.14 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ok, same issue |
| 08:31.26 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you could preload, but its some setup to do |
| 08:32.12 | SerajewelKS | it's all just so ridiculous |
| 08:32.22 | SerajewelKS | alsa this, pulseaudio that, just fucking PICK ONE |
| 08:32.26 | Trewas | spreeuw: even higher end sound cards are switching to sw-mixing, so the problem is not only with integrated sound... and btw, sb live is not known for it's stellar sound quality either, it internally resamples everything to 48khz |
| 08:33.39 | spreeuw | go figure |
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| 08:34.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: why did wine with alsa not work? |
| 08:34.09 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i dont remember |
| 08:34.10 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: on 2.6.25-4 with kvm/qemu i can nicely listen to music from any OS, with a couple of dif soundcards not mather, what are you doing wrong? |
| 08:34.22 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: because then PA cannot use the card |
| 08:34.38 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: if i knew what i was doing wrong, you think i'd be ranting in here? |
| 08:34.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: wine using alsa, when alsa uses pa |
| 08:35.15 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: delve your logs, check alsa forget the others |
| 08:35.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: this one: pcm.pulse { \ type pulse \ } |
| 08:35.46 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: on low end machines wine is a pita |
| 08:36.03 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: this isn't exactly a low-end machine, only if you consider the sound card |
| 08:36.36 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: there is no option in winecfg to select the alsa device |
| 08:36.38 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: ok, what kernel, premptive, 1000Hz, cfq what? |
| 08:36.39 | trifler | I need xserver-xorg for being able to run a wm like compiz? |
| 08:36.52 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: stock debian |
| 08:36.56 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.24 |
| 08:37.02 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: yes, i know, you would set the pcm.!default { type pulse } |
| 08:37.14 | zd32nv | with kvm/qemu, does it use a generic set of hardware, or whatever your system currently has? |
| 08:37.37 | zd32nv | i haven't used vm in a while (since virtualpc) |
| 08:37.40 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: for good sound q i prefer 1000Hz, pre emptive, its a huge difference, not in stock kernel |
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| 08:38.06 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: quality is not an issue right now |
| 08:38.10 | valdyn | maybe that would fix the esd lag |
| 08:38.34 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: the issue is getting ALSA to play nice with pulse |
| 08:38.34 | SerajewelKS | i don't give a shit about quality when i can't even use two apps together |
| 08:38.35 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you need to set the default alsa device as i told you |
| 08:38.56 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: and configure pulse to output to the specific alsa device ( not default ) |
| 08:39.14 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: either switch to 2.6.25-4 as i did or my first suggestion, 2.6.24-1 is not that great with wine (stuttering sounds, lagg) |
| 08:39.15 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yeah uhm wine doesn't seem to care what i set the default device to use |
| 08:39.24 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm not seeing a stream in the pa volume mixer |
| 08:39.29 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i think it just cant find the plugin for alsa |
| 08:39.35 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ( wine cant ) |
| 08:39.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: winecfg lists alsa |
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| 08:39.56 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: alsa feature to output to PA is a libasound plugin |
| 08:40.04 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 08:40.09 | SerajewelKS | yay 64-bit |
| 08:40.32 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so, get this going with 64-bit software first, then copying the libasound file is just a last step to get wine to do the same stuff |
| 08:40.46 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: 64-bit software like what? |
| 08:41.18 | dutchfish | nods to valdyn |
| 08:41.24 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: anything that can use alsa properly, xine, mplayer, gstreamer based apps like rhytmbox, totem |
| 08:41.40 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i already have those using pa directly |
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| 08:42.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: thats not the point, since you want to get wine going |
| 08:42.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so what, you mean verify that it's working with other apps? |
| 08:43.01 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: once "mplayer -ao alsa some.mp3" plays fine thru alsa -> pa -> ..., you can be certain that all wine can be missing is the pa plugin |
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| 08:43.29 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: yea |
| 08:43.59 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: mpg123 plays through alsa by default and it works |
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| 08:44.12 | lindenle1 | Hi my ssh keys are not working |
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| 08:44.16 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: but blocks pa? |
| 08:44.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it plays through pa |
| 08:44.31 | markybob | lindenle1, did you ask politely? |
| 08:44.44 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 08:44.46 | lindenle1 | ha |
| 08:44.58 | lindenle1 | well I checked sshd_config and it looks ok |
| 08:45.13 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so you just miss the 32-bit pa plugin for alsa then to get wine going |
| 08:45.30 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and hopefully skype too |
| 08:45.44 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no, skype is worse |
| 08:45.58 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: skype will not work |
| 08:46.25 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: it will end up eating all cpu and just not work |
| 08:47.21 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: old skype version ( that still uses oss ) with padsp or a plain alsa device not routing thru pa are the options |
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| 08:48.43 | lindenle1 | markybob: is there some other configuration I need to edit |
| 08:49.16 | markybob | for what? I dont remember you |
| 08:49.26 | SerajewelKS | ok why the hell is using hw:0,0 only outputting the left channel |
| 08:49.38 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: in skype? |
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| 08:49.44 | SerajewelKS | in anything |
| 08:49.45 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i dont know generally |
| 08:49.46 | spreeuw | mono |
| 08:49.52 | SerajewelKS | in skype right now, yes |
| 08:50.05 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no idea, ive seen it, only in skype |
| 08:50.09 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: or heared even |
| 08:50.20 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: but no idea why that is |
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| 08:51.17 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so is the plugin, its not in debian as far as i can see |
| 08:51.27 | dutchfish | skype uses first available channel (left one) only |
| 08:51.32 | zd32nv | have any of you tried installing xp in kvm? |
| 08:51.34 | SerajewelKS | and skype wonders why the world hates them |
| 08:51.36 | zd32nv | on lenny? |
| 08:51.54 | zd32nv | installation process stalls at 'Registering components' |
| 08:51.55 | valdyn | zd32nv: whats your real question? |
| 08:52.09 | zd32nv | and i'm wondering if this is universally known |
| 08:52.09 | valdyn | zd32nv: qumranet have a list of working configurations |
| 08:52.14 | th1 | can hdparm be used with libata drives for setting DMA mode? |
| 08:52.18 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: but it does not do this with e.g. plughw:0,0 |
| 08:52.23 | th1 | or is there another tool to disable/enable NCQ? |
| 08:52.42 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: on amd64 disto? |
| 08:52.44 | valdyn | th1: why the hell are you trying to set dma mode? |
| 08:52.48 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: yes |
| 08:52.57 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: hold on i check |
| 08:52.58 | th1 | valdyn, because I get a crash with my ncq-enabled drive on nvidia controller |
| 08:53.10 | valdyn | th1: so just set ncq off |
| 08:53.15 | th1 | valdyn, with what? :) |
| 08:53.26 | zd32nv | valdyn: do you have a link to those configs? |
| 08:53.35 | zd32nv | i'm navigating the site, and I can't find them |
| 08:53.37 | valdyn | th1: echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth |
| 08:53.45 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: on my machine it talks directly to hda intel (alsa) |
| 08:54.05 | th1 | valdyn, great, thansk |
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| 08:54.39 | SerajewelKS | oh yeah btw skype does not play with pa *or* dmix |
| 08:54.52 | SerajewelKS | making it completely exclusive |
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| 08:55.01 | SerajewelKS | fuckers |
| 08:55.07 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: it does play with dmix |
| 08:55.10 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: could you post your lspci -v in pastebin? |
| 08:55.15 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: not over here it doesn't |
| 08:55.26 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: when i use a dmix sink it doesn't output any sound at all |
| 08:56.00 | th1 | is there a command to show all console messages in my current ssh session? |
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| 08:56.26 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: im using hw: for microphone because i have to |
| 08:56.33 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: but dmix for rings and speaker |
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| 08:57.54 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1035714 |
| 08:58.27 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: ok dmix does "work" sort of |
| 08:58.32 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: again, left channel only |
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| 08:58.55 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and again, it still rapes PA |
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| 08:59.04 | winshit | hi there |
| 08:59.14 | somedude | whats the best way to put debian as a dual boot with vista |
| 08:59.38 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so getting skype on dmix doesn't solve anything |
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| 08:59.45 | SerajewelKS | since apparently PA does not use dmix |
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| 08:59.55 | winshit | i got an problem cloning a harddrive containing some ntfs-fs an ext3 |
| 09:00.22 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: did you change bios settings irt the PnP system? does it has many irq overlaps? |
| 09:00.31 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you dont have the default alsa device set to dmix |
| 09:00.39 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: hell if i know, i didn't touch it |
| 09:00.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: pa will use default or whatever else you set it to |
| 09:00.40 | winshit | i use ghost to copy one drive to another |
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| 09:00.57 | th1 | valdyn, if I want it to set NCQ off for that drive automatically, what should I do? I suppose some udev config? |
| 09:00.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i thought i wanted the default using pulse |
| 09:01.29 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: so set pa to use dmix exlicitely |
| 09:01.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i'm not sure how i would |
| 09:01.57 | SerajewelKS | pa config file mechanisms still elude me |
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| 09:02.14 | winshit | how can i clone the drive to get both working |
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| 09:02.16 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: edit /etc/pulse/default.pa, "load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix" |
| 09:02.17 | zxxd | hi |
| 09:02.30 | zxxd | why do serial lines don't need console-tools and console-data ? |
| 09:02.33 | somedude | if u have vista installed can u install debian on it and dual boot |
| 09:02.34 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: device=dmix is your addition |
| 09:02.58 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hmm i think i am using hal-detect |
| 09:03.08 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: same for load-module module-alsa-source if you want |
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| 09:04.11 | winshit | hi there, i got an problem cloning a harddrive containing some ntfs-fs an ext3. i use ghost to copy one drive to another. how can i clone the drive to get both working ??? |
| 09:04.35 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: thats not really contradicting, at least not if you have my abovementioned stuff before the module-hal-detect |
| 09:04.46 | th1 | winshit, if you already cloned it with ghost then I don't understand what you mean..? |
| 09:04.55 | lindenle1 | I cannot get through to my smtp server even though it is allowed in hosts.allow |
| 09:05.10 | wols_ | winshit: dd |
| 09:05.44 | winshit | i got the original hd, where winxp and kanotix is installed. and i got a new hd, where i whant to move all the stuff to. |
| 09:06.00 | th1 | winshit, I thought you already copied it with ghost |
| 09:06.01 | wols_ | winshit: are you actually running real debian? |
| 09:06.03 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: now they are playing together, but skype still won't use the right channel |
| 09:06.15 | winshit | my first try was to clone via ghost, this was working for windows but not for kanotix |
| 09:06.21 | winshit | REAL, nope |
| 09:06.22 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: not even if you use the dmix output? |
| 09:06.23 | somedude | orly |
| 09:06.29 | winshit | kanotix |
| 09:06.31 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: correct |
| 09:06.37 | wols_ | winshit: then ask knaotix channels not debian ones |
| 09:06.42 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: it has something weird about hw:0,0 apparently |
| 09:06.44 | th1 | winshit, then go to the kanotix channel and ask.. |
| 09:06.48 | winshit | means |
| 09:06.59 | wols_ | mean: we do not support kanotix. only debian |
| 09:07.00 | winshit | just not my crap? |
| 09:07.08 | somedude | wuts kanotix |
| 09:07.10 | somedude | is it gud |
| 09:07.18 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: mm, my skype is simple using a basic dmix device for output |
| 09:07.21 | wols_ | !tell somedude about kanotix |
| 09:07.35 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: channels are ok, though i know of your issue, have had it before |
| 09:07.50 | winshit | i think that there is no difference between cloning debian or kanotix partitions from a to b |
| 09:08.01 | th1 | I thought it was a live CD like knoppix but in that case his question doesn't make much sense.. |
| 09:08.25 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: now for wine |
| 09:08.34 | winshit | but, if you feel better, i can insert the drive into a computer running debian etch |
| 09:09.10 | BubbaT | If i create a physical volume with one installation, do I still have access with another installation? |
| 09:09.11 | th1 | winshit, try in a general Linux channel, this is certainly not very Debian specific |
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| 09:09.45 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: plugins are in /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib |
| 09:09.52 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i dont know what debian ships there |
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| 09:10.01 | SerajewelKS | bash: cd: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib: No such file or directory |
| 09:10.05 | somedude | how come theres all these distros based on debian now |
| 09:10.23 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the parent exists though |
| 09:10.26 | somedude | it's like every kid and his mom wants to start a debian based distro now |
| 09:10.27 | th1 | somedude, because debian is the best distro to base another one on |
| 09:10.38 | th1 | it's flexible and extensible |
| 09:10.52 | somedude | i suppose |
| 09:10.57 | trifler | Hello, I'm a tad confused. I haven't run a desktop enviroment for debian before but I wanted to try compiz. But all the guides somewho assumes I already have gnome or kde. where to I get gnome? :S |
| 09:11.04 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i have that stuff because i made it, dpkg -x <32-bit package> |
| 09:11.08 | somedude | if you're going to do all that why not just work on debian the original then |
| 09:11.12 | wols_ | !tell trifler about install gnome |
| 09:11.12 | SerajewelKS | trifler: aptitude install gnome |
| 09:11.14 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: hackery.. |
| 09:11.17 | somedude | oh well to each their own i guess |
| 09:11.46 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: a real 32-bit chroot would be clean i suppose |
| 09:11.48 | th1 | trifler, apt-get install gnome |
| 09:12.10 | BubbaT | Yuch. Why not teach him how to install kde.? |
| 09:12.21 | th1 | because he wants to use compiz? ;) |
| 09:12.24 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: and maybe its easier to get less lagged esd sound with a lower latency kernel |
| 09:12.26 | wols_ | cause he asked about gnome? |
| 09:12.43 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: how do you mean? |
| 09:13.13 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: the kernel ? 1000hz tick rate and preemptible kernel |
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| 09:14.14 | valdyn | CONFIG_PREEMPT=y and CONFIG_HZ_1000=y / CONFIG_HZ=1000 |
| 09:14.16 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: why is this not stock then? |
| 09:14.38 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: because low latency always has the price of throughput |
| 09:15.00 | BubbaT | Ok. Back to my question. If I construct a physical ( LVM ) volume with one installation, can I safely access (rw) the logical volumes from a different installation? |
| 09:15.03 | trifler | wols_: That was a nice feature |
| 09:15.05 | trifler | Ty all |
| 09:15.11 | trifler | I'll be back for more :) |
| 09:15.38 | th1 | BubbaT, as long as you're only accessing it from one installation at a time and you didn't hibernate the first installation or something silly like that |
| 09:15.57 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: whaddayaknow, skype likes the pulse alsa sink |
| 09:16.00 | BubbaT | In particular if I create a physical volume with an amd64 kernel, is it safe to access the logical volumes with a i386 kernel. |
| 09:16.11 | th1 | BubbaT, that's fine |
| 09:16.19 | BubbaT | th1, thanks. |
| 09:16.24 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and i have both channels back |
| 09:16.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: if you have the setup im thinking of it will crap out if you do phone calls |
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| 09:16.48 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the echo123 test worked |
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| 09:17.13 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: so fingers crossed for now |
| 09:17.19 | th1 | SerajewelKS, eek, skype..use voip |
| 09:17.44 | valdyn | th1: easy to say when everyone and their mom use skype |
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| 09:17.58 | SerajewelKS | th1: skype *is* voip. and please don't tell me what to do, i'm not telling you how to run your computer. |
| 09:17.58 | th1 | valdyn, by that logic you should be using Windows too ;) |
| 09:18.07 | valdyn | th1: umm? |
| 09:18.29 | valdyn | th1: um sure you can see the weakness in that comparison |
| 09:18.31 | SerajewelKS | th1: linux can interoperate with windows well. skype cannot interoperate with anything ilse. |
| 09:18.34 | SerajewelKS | else* |
| 09:18.36 | th1 | valdyn, well |
| 09:19.00 | SerajewelKS | th1: at any rate, telling me "don't use X, use Y" is very arrogant and unwelcome |
| 09:19.01 | th1 | SerajewelKS, yeah because skype being so closed and proprietary |
| 09:19.10 | th1 | ok sorry didn't mean to offend |
| 09:19.21 | SerajewelKS | i know, that's why i didn't flame you :) |
| 09:19.42 | valdyn | skype alsa has a very bad user interface and generally behaves like junk |
| 09:19.46 | valdyn | but still have to use it |
| 09:19.48 | SerajewelKS | i am very much into the FLOSS philosophy. i make exceptions only after a lot of thought. |
| 09:20.01 | th1 | maybe it's possible to run windows skype with wine? |
| 09:20.05 | SerajewelKS | which right now are skype and the nvidia driver |
| 09:20.07 | valdyn | th1: nope |
| 09:20.17 | SerajewelKS | th1: i tried that, sadly it won't even start |
| 09:20.30 | SerajewelKS | th1: i could use it from virtualbox but that's a damn lot of overhead :) |
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| 09:20.39 | th1 | yeah |
| 09:20.46 | th1 | I wonder when a free skype clone will be available |
| 09:20.56 | SerajewelKS | th1: if skype has anything to say about it, never |
| 09:21.01 | valdyn | th1: not at all |
| 09:21.06 | valdyn | th1: you cant just clone skype |
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| 09:21.13 | SerajewelKS | they use encryption pretty heavily |
| 09:21.36 | th1 | others have tried to block people from writing clones without much success, I suppose it should be possible to reverse engineer |
| 09:21.40 | valdyn | th1: even if everything was perfectly reverse engeneered you'd still not be permitted to use their servers |
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| 09:22.16 | th1 | there's a skype plugin for Asterisk, I wonder how that works.. |
| 09:22.25 | valdyn | hmm |
| 09:22.26 | SerajewelKS | th1: maybe it's licensed |
| 09:22.32 | th1 | nah it's free |
| 09:22.40 | valdyn | th1: maybe the plugin is free |
| 09:22.48 | valdyn | th1: but i bet it uses the skype api and skype itself |
| 09:23.46 | th1 | yeah valdyn you're right |
| 09:23.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: huh. wine seems to like the alsa-pulse stuff when i'm configuring it. |
| 09:23.56 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: but when i run wow i get silence |
| 09:24.11 | SerajewelKS | pa volume control shows a stream from wine |
| 09:24.43 | jnash2001 | hi ... my sound card in my T22 isn't working. it's a cirrus logic cs 4614/22/24/30 as described by lspci. any tips? |
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| 09:25.08 | zd32nv | with the kvm in lenny, is haiku still unbootable? |
| 09:25.32 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: i can't find any combination of driver settings to make it work :/ |
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| 09:25.59 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you have the 32-bit alsa plugins? |
| 09:26.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: yes |
| 09:26.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: (skype is using them) |
| 09:26.55 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: the "test sound" button in winecfg works |
| 09:27.01 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: no output from wow though |
| 09:27.16 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: no idea. its been a while, i only remember that i switched to wine useing esd because alsa didnt work |
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| 09:27.30 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: ( though surely it should work... ) |
| 09:27.52 | NinjaMan | does anyone know how I restart the pulseaudio sound server from within gnome? |
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| 09:28.14 | SerajewelKS | wtf was that |
| 09:28.14 | valdyn | NinjaMan: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart |
| 09:28.23 | BubbaT | Hey a good piece of advice I heard recently wrt Windows. When you first boot, print out the system info and run belark and print the output. Is there anything similar I can do in linux? |
| 09:28.23 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: weird |
| 09:28.33 | SerajewelKS | bot lag? |
| 09:28.33 | NinjaMan | valdyn: it is not configured to run as a daemon |
| 09:28.52 | valdyn | NinjaMan: umm, how else would it run? |
| 09:29.07 | th1 | SerajewelKS, maybe you type too fast ;) |
| 09:29.12 | SerajewelKS | BubbaT: what is that supposed to do |
| 09:29.13 | valdyn | NinjaMan: you mean theres no "global" pa, just a daemon owned by your user |
| 09:29.18 | SerajewelKS | th1: apparently |
| 09:29.21 | SerajewelKS | th1: i do use dvorak... |
| 09:29.22 | NinjaMan | valdyn: I mean it doesn't run as a system daemon (i.e. at startup) - I think it runs as a gnome session daemon |
| 09:29.33 | valdyn | NinjaMan: kill it, start it |
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| 09:29.44 | NinjaMan | valdyn: hmm ok |
| 09:30.02 | valdyn | NinjaMan: you could probably do that from gnome-session-properties |
| 09:30.09 | th1 | SerajewelKS, I used dvorak once and got to about 2 thirds of my normal typing speed, but then I had to switch back and forth and it was a nightmare |
| 09:30.34 | valdyn | NinjaMan: but that does not change this significantly, unless you intend to enable / disable automagic startup when you log in |
| 09:30.36 | SerajewelKS | th1: i just reconfigure the box i'm using to be dvorak, takes all of 10 seconds |
| 09:31.07 | NinjaMan | valdyn: ok I'll have a dig around |
| 09:31.13 | th1 | SerajewelKS, not always possible :) |
| 09:31.27 | BubbaT | SerajewelKS, belarks prints out installed programs and keys with a lot more configuration stuff. |
| 09:31.38 | SerajewelKS | th1: nope and in those cases i'm content to suffer qwerty |
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| 09:32.07 | SerajewelKS | BubbaT: `dpkg -l | grep ^i` will give you a list of packages you have installed |
| 09:32.34 | SerajewelKS | BubbaT: `dpkg -l | grep ^i | awk '{print $2}'` for just the packages |
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| 09:33.17 | SerajewelKS | BubbaT: i'm not sure how useful this info is though |
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| 09:35.42 | alexel | Hey guys! I'm having problems with GCC on Debian. I can't compile anything. I've installed gcc, build-essential and kernel headers. When compiling "hello world!", I'm seeing: " error: gnu/stubs-32.h" file not found errors. |
| 09:36.30 | valdyn | !find gnu/stubs-32.h |
| 09:36.39 | valdyn | alexel: why or how are you including that file? |
| 09:36.49 | alexel | #include <stdio.h> |
| 09:37.05 | alexel | That's my only include. |
| 09:37.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnu/stubs-32.h' (1): (/usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev. |
| 09:37.20 | alexel | I'm running: "gcc hello.c" |
| 09:37.33 | valdyn | alexel: aptitude reinstall libc6-dev |
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| 09:38.25 | alexel | I've tried that, valdyn, it doesn't work. |
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| 09:39.10 | wols_ | alexel: does the file exist on your install? |
| 09:39.15 | alexel | I have a trace or errors: In file included from /usr/local/include/features.h:346, from /usr/include/stdio.h:28, from hello.c:1: /usr/local/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:39.17 | wols_ | alexel: dpkg -l libc6-dev |
| 09:39.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.45 | wols_ | not a debian file. remove it |
| 09:40.17 | alexel | I have it installed valdyn. Wols_, I removed the stubs file, also. |
| 09:40.30 | alexel | wols_, it works. |
| 09:40.35 | th1 | anyone know a good howto on setting up an encrypted volume with lvm? |
| 09:40.35 | alexel | Thank you. ;-) |
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| 09:41.29 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: google suggests that padsp works well with wine so i copied /usr/lib/libpulsedsp.so from the i386 package and stuffed that in /emul/... too :) |
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| 09:41.51 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: before i did that though i did a git pull on wine so i'm waiting for it to compile before i test |
| 09:42.02 | SerajewelKS | dual-core ftw |
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| 09:43.00 | th1 | SerajewelKS, quad-core ftw ;) |
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| 09:44.01 | spreeuw | cool stuff ;p |
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| 09:45.06 | SerajewelKS | th1: so you have more money :P |
| 09:45.21 | th1 | nah, I just buy used stuff on ebay ;) my server is a dual-dualcore opteron |
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| 09:45.45 | SerajewelKS | my server is a 766mhz 256mb pos |
| 09:45.48 | th1 | downside is you don't get the latest e.g. kvm support |
| 09:46.48 | th1 | my gateway is a MIPS box with 250mhz and 128mb ram but it's fanless and small and neat, and runs debian. my main server I just upgraded with 5x1TB disks and dualcore opterons and 4GB ram :) |
| 09:47.14 | wols_ | th1: nice way for agreeing with SerajewelKS |
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| 09:47.54 | th1 | I wanted more storage and when 1TB drives got under £100 I upgraded from 5*250gb disks |
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| 09:48.01 | SerajewelKS | th1: my desktop is athlon64x2 2.8ghz, 4gb ram, 8800gt 256mb |
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| 09:48.21 | spreeuw | SerajewelKS: can you watch 1080p on that with mplayer? |
| 09:48.23 | th1 | my desktop is same as yours except 2gb ram and 7950gx2 1GB gfx |
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| 09:48.28 | cahoot | sadly only one soundchannel though? |
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| 09:48.45 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: probably, i have an hdtv tuner card + mythtv |
| 09:49.07 | spreeuw | but softdecode I mean |
| 09:49.11 | spreeuw | can the cpu handle it? |
| 09:49.23 | valdyn | easily if the codec is vc-1 |
| 09:49.34 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: the tuner spits out encoded crap, so again, probably |
| 09:49.37 | valdyn | probably if the codec is x264 |
| 09:49.37 | spreeuw | h264 1080p |
| 09:49.40 | th1 | spreeuw, my TV box is Sempron 2600 with cheapo nvidia 7200 something, diskless (boots from NFS), it easily decodes 1080p |
| 09:50.03 | spreeuw | the1 are you sure? |
| 09:50.16 | th1 | spreeuw, yeah watched all LOTR movies last weekend :) |
| 09:50.31 | spreeuw | what codec? |
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| 09:50.40 | valdyn | th1: lotr is out on blue ray? umm |
| 09:50.41 | spreeuw | is a sempron also multicire then? |
| 09:50.43 | th1 | h264 |
| 09:50.51 | spreeuw | core |
| 09:51.12 | spreeuw | I'm talking about linux here right |
| 09:51.18 | spreeuw | softdecode |
| 09:51.18 | th1 | valdyn, blue ray?! i'd rather buy Vista |
| 09:51.26 | th1 | spreeuw, its a singlecore |
| 09:51.39 | valdyn | th1: it is a prerequisite for lotr being available in 1080p |
| 09:51.41 | spreeuw | ok then you cant possibly softdecode 1080p h264 |
| 09:51.48 | th1 | it's basically athlon64 with less cache |
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| 09:51.58 | spreeuw | it can barely do 720 with a single core |
| 09:51.59 | th1 | spreeuw, I promise, it works |
| 09:52.08 | spreeuw | no it doesnt |
| 09:52.20 | th1 | after I got the latest nvidia drivers it stopped chopping up |
| 09:52.23 | spreeuw | th1: what player did you use? |
| 09:52.29 | spreeuw | nvidia? |
| 09:52.30 | th1 | the built-in one from mythtv |
| 09:52.34 | spreeuw | thats not free software |
| 09:52.47 | th1 | mythtv is |
| 09:53.04 | th1 | I dunno why, but it does work |
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| 09:53.36 | th1 | maybe I'm wrong about the clock of the sempron.. it was the fastest at the time (about a year ago) |
| 09:53.52 | spreeuw | could be |
| 09:53.53 | Guerin | there's no good reason in 2008 to use anything other than xv |
| 09:54.06 | spreeuw | I'm on an oced northwood p4 3.2ghz |
| 09:54.10 | spreeuw | and it cant do 720 |
| 09:54.30 | valdyn | spreeuw: that is probably your gfx cards fault |
| 09:54.30 | th1 | spreeuw, I had lots of fun getting it to work.. it worked in mplayer from day one but getting it to work with mythtv was a struggle |
| 09:54.32 | Guerin | yes |
| 09:54.43 | th1 | it was all laggy and choppy at first |
| 09:54.45 | spreeuw | valdyn: no |
| 09:54.51 | Guerin | th1: can you not tell mythtv to use mplayer as a player? |
| 09:54.59 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: huh, using the 32-bit padsp makes the daemon freeze |
| 09:55.06 | th1 | Guerin, yes, but it's nicer with the internal player due to remote config etc. |
| 09:55.12 | Guerin | pfft |
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| 09:55.41 | th1 | I have no PC in the tv room, just a remote |
| 09:55.58 | th1 | with a remote repeater that's connected to the tvbox in the other room |
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| 09:57.10 | spreeuw | th1: maybe you have hw accelerated hd decoding then |
| 09:57.23 | spreeuw | what capture card is in it? |
| 09:57.26 | th1 | spreeuw, I don't think so.. the hw accel in nvidia's driver only works for mpeg2 I believe |
| 09:57.36 | Guerin | spreeuw: xv is hardware accellerated |
| 09:57.41 | Guerin | that's the point |
| 09:57.55 | spreeuw | Guerin: yes, but thats just displaying |
| 09:57.55 | th1 | there's no capture card in it. my server has mythtv backend and a dual-tuner dvb capture card, but the tvbox itself just plays back |
| 09:57.59 | spreeuw | it's not decoding |
| 09:58.06 | Guerin | spreeuw: that being the major cpu drain |
| 09:58.11 | spreeuw | I have xv here |
| 09:58.20 | spreeuw | it doesnt get much faster than xv |
| 09:58.33 | spreeuw | in some cases xvidx is slightly fatser |
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| 09:59.08 | th1 | spreeuw, I just know, when I had ATI card in the tvbox it couldn't even decode 720p properly |
| 09:59.08 | spreeuw | (which has nothing to do with xvid or divx codecs) |
| 09:59.17 | th1 | when I got the nviida 7200 it was fine |
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| 09:59.45 | spreeuw | the1 interesting |
| 10:00.06 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: huh, i can't figure this out |
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| 10:00.20 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: using the 32-bit libpulsedsp just kills off the daemon, no matter what i run it with |
| 10:00.37 | th1 | spreeuw, I was trying to save cost.. the ATI card cost £20, the nvidia cost £39.95 I think |
| 10:00.41 | Vicfred | can anyone help me with this? http://paste.debian.net/4829/ |
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| 10:01.05 | spreeuw | For 1920x1080i->1920x1080p with the better deinterlacing methods done in real time a 2.4GHz CPU is taxed, but should work if you use "Bob and Weave" deinterlacing, or if you have an NVIDIA card with MPEG-2 hardware acceleration. If you enable the hardware acceleration, you may be able to use a 1.8GHz processor. |
| 10:01.06 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: just did a deep check on pulse-audio, do you have avahi 32 bit userland loaded? |
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| 10:01.10 | spreeuw | for mythtv |
| 10:01.48 | spreeuw | seems the decoder engine accelerates h264 partly too |
| 10:02.09 | th1 | spreeuw, I can't deinterlace on that box. it's too slow |
| 10:02.31 | th1 | but the TV can deinterlace if I switch modes |
| 10:02.53 | th1 | I deinterlace standard TV sizes and DVD |
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| 10:05.35 | soppman | yo |
| 10:05.41 | soppman | any rsnapshotuser in here? |
| 10:05.52 | soppman | daily backups works fine, but not weekly and monthly |
| 10:05.54 | soppman | # /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot -t weekly |
| 10:05.55 | soppman | echo 25484 > /var/run/rsnapshot.pid |
| 10:06.06 | soppman | it does nothing but a simple echo |
| 10:06.08 | soppman | grr |
| 10:06.11 | soppman | -t is for testing |
| 10:06.18 | th1 | Vicfred, try aptitude install libwxbase-dev |
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| 10:07.40 | kom0dor | Hey everyone. I installed a backported 2.6.22 kernel and firmware-iwlwifi and have an Intel 3945 wireless card. It's not found by network-manager, but is found by lspci |
| 10:07.40 | BubbaT | Anyone familiar with the aSUS m2a-vm mobo? |
| 10:07.44 | kom0dor | It's also not found with iwlwifi |
| 10:07.49 | kom0dor | iwconig* |
| 10:07.50 | kom0dor | I meant |
| 10:08.12 | kom0dor | I've been reading for hours :/ |
| 10:09.11 | cahoot | kom0dor: check dmesg for error when modprobing iwl3945 |
| 10:09.13 | jcm | Hi, my Promise SATA 300 TX2plus card (sata_promise module) doesn't see my Seagate SATA II HD (cannot negociate transfer rate); kernel 2.6.18. Ideas ? |
| 10:09.32 | kom0dor | Module iwl3945 not found when I tried that |
| 10:09.33 | kom0dor | hold on |
| 10:10.01 | kom0dor | Nothing in dmesg |
| 10:10.08 | th1 | jcm, does it see it in other OS? |
| 10:10.13 | cahoot | Module iwl3945 not found? |
| 10:10.22 | kom0dor | yeah, not sure what I did wrong. |
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| 10:10.42 | jcm | th1: it's a an upgrade on a debian box, I have no windows to test on; dmesg pasted here : http://www.debianhelp.org/node/13594 |
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| 10:10.50 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: i don't think avahi 32 bit is loaded, 64 probably is |
| 10:10.52 | cahoot | kom0dor: maybe it's ipw3945 for that kernel? |
| 10:10.53 | jcm | I tried with another brand new Seagate HD too, same result |
| 10:11.12 | trifler | !tell trifler about rdesktop |
| 10:11.20 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: 64 bit runs in legacy mode atm on amd64 :( |
| 10:11.24 | kom0dor | I got the backported kernel and headers in order to use the iwlwifi driver instead of the old ipw ones. ipw3945 also does not exist |
| 10:11.33 | cahoot | kom0dor: in that case I suspect you have wrong firmware |
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| 10:11.43 | trifler | rdesktop or xrdp? |
| 10:12.00 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: look it up your kernel log, had alot of problems myself with it |
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| 10:12.28 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: look what up |
| 10:12.32 | th1 | jcm, it could be a fault in the drive.. |
| 10:12.41 | th1 | does it work if you put it on another controller? |
| 10:12.44 | cahoot | kom0dor: is that kernel supposed to proved iwl3945? |
| 10:12.51 | cahoot | provide |
| 10:13.08 | lindenle1 | can someone help me get my ssh keys working again |
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| 10:13.27 | kom0dor | Erm, should work with it. I've done this before, but months ago |
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| 10:13.46 | kom0dor | I've been struggling on this one issue for over 6 hours :c |
| 10:14.11 | cahoot | kom0dor: you have booted the intended kernel? uname -r says so? |
| 10:14.13 | kom0dor | I actually had it working three days ago, and it had been fine for months. I tried out Ubuntu for kicks...and when I went back to etch, nothing worked. |
| 10:14.16 | kom0dor | Yes. |
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| 10:14.32 | kom0dor | Linux box 2.6.22-4-686 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 16:29:32 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:14.51 | jcm | th1: two new drives would have the same error ? |
| 10:15.06 | joeyjones | lindenle1: you need to regenerate them |
| 10:15.07 | jcm | what does 'qc tmeout' mean ? |
| 10:15.18 | th1 | jcm, unlikely but not impossible.. try another controller though |
| 10:15.20 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: messages like this: warning: `avahi-daemon' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use) |
| 10:15.28 | cahoot | kom0dor: and modprobe can't find iwl3945? |
| 10:15.45 | kom0dor | Indeed, cahoot. |
| 10:16.22 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: grepping my kerl.log for avahi showed nothing |
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| 10:16.34 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: mmm |
| 10:16.43 | hoxu | lindenle1, read the topic, and the wiki page |
| 10:16.44 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS: forget what i said |
| 10:17.18 | trifler | I'm looking for a more "cli" looking desktop enviroment any suggestions? |
| 10:17.30 | cahoot | kom0dor: grep -i iwl /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:17.44 | SerajewelKS | trifler: any desktop environment with a terminal should work |
| 10:17.55 | SerajewelKS | trifler: otherwise you're going to have to define what you want better |
| 10:17.56 | kom0dor | shows absolutely nothing |
| 10:18.06 | joeyjones | trifler: you could always jsut use the debian netinst and not use a desktop |
| 10:18.33 | lindenle1 | hoxu which page is that |
| 10:18.40 | lindenle1 | these are old keys before the random bug |
| 10:18.41 | SerajewelKS | trifler: or don't use X at all, use a terminal with screen |
| 10:18.51 | hoxu | lindenle1, and they don't work why? |
| 10:18.55 | hoxu | !tell lindenle1 about dsa1571 |
| 10:18.56 | kom0dor | trifler: If you want a minimal wm, I suggest fluxbox. I use fluxbox and tilda (a drop down terminal, quake style). Functional, and can still browse well, etc |
| 10:18.58 | jstephenson | Where should I kinda start when trying to figure out why I have no sound :P? I mean I don't really know what Debian has attempted to do thus far, only that when I open volume control the header is 'HDA NVidia (Alsa mixer)' which sounds pretty correct? |
| 10:19.01 | cahoot | kom0dor: run /msg dpkg iwlwifi and read |
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| 10:19.11 | hoxu | lindenle1, try -vv/-vvv for ssh |
| 10:19.33 | cahoot | kom0dor: seems you need 2.6.23 |
| 10:19.38 | SerajewelKS | jstephenson: the most common issue is having things muted |
| 10:20.06 | kom0dor | hrm. I didn't know there was an etch backport for it |
| 10:20.24 | trifler | SerajewelKS: Hmm basicly I want a desktop build up with terminals |
| 10:20.30 | jstephenson | SerajewelKS: According to Volume Control at least, we're unmuted. Although I haven't tried all possible channels so lemme have a play... |
| 10:20.31 | cahoot | jstephenson: simplest is to run speaker-test |
| 10:20.41 | jstephenson | cahoot: Will do... |
| 10:20.46 | trifler | kom0dor: Screenshot? |
| 10:21.19 | kom0dor | Well, my desktop is pretty spare, but I can take a screen if you'd really like one, wil put up on lag |
| 10:21.25 | kom0dor | la.gg* |
| 10:21.36 | trifler | A minimalistic desktop I guess would be the best description |
| 10:21.53 | th1 | is there any debian app, that'll allow you to play music form a compact web interface? |
| 10:22.03 | lindenle1 | well looky there |
| 10:22.05 | kom0dor | there are screenshots at fluxbox.org, though |
| 10:22.06 | lindenle1 | taht fixed it |
| 10:23.00 | kom0dor | cahoot: 2.6.22 is the newest one backported to etch |
| 10:23.31 | cahoot | kom0dor: seems you need 2.6.23 for iwlwifi (according to /msg dpkg iwlwifi) |
| 10:23.54 | kom0dor | Well. It comes with iwlwifi drivers in the 2.6.23 kernel. The iwlwifi driver works with 2.6.22 |
| 10:24.01 | kom0dor | I just can't get it working for the life of me |
| 10:24.14 | kom0dor | spent my whole saturday inside :o |
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| 10:24.26 | cahoot | kom0dor: no wonder since it doesn't seem to exist |
| 10:24.59 | cahoot | kom0dor: maybe m-a is the answer |
| 10:26.00 | kom0dor | Ok. Well. I guess this seems like a lost cause. |
| 10:26.11 | BubbaT | Wow. |
| 10:26.13 | BubbaT | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3669701 |
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| 10:26.47 | BubbaT | The guy who wroite "Vista for Dummies" doesn't like Vista/ |
| 10:27.23 | Freduard1 | heh |
| 10:27.47 | kom0dor | cahoot: Thanks though. I appreciate the effort. |
| 10:27.58 | spreeuw | it all works! |
| 10:27.59 | Freduard1 | but he'll probably recommend XP over linux |
| 10:28.03 | kom0dor | I've been really frustrated, but didn't want to ask others before I tried by myself |
| 10:28.12 | kom0dor | I got it working last time on Etch with the backported kernel |
| 10:28.18 | kom0dor | I can't remember how I did it months ago |
| 10:28.29 | cahoot | kom0dor: module-assistant? |
| 10:28.33 | th1 | what's the best way to create an encrypted volume on top of an LVM one? |
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| 10:28.45 | kom0dor | I don't think I used m-a |
| 10:28.58 | kom0dor | the man page doesn't look particularly familiar |
| 10:30.00 | kom0dor | and now, lucky me, intellinuxwireless.org seems to be down |
| 10:30.13 | jstephenson | SerajewelKS: If only I'd known PCM was the master volume :P. Thanks. |
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| 10:30.45 | cahoot | jstephenson: alsa-utils not installed? |
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| 10:31.18 | Legality | Hi, can anyone remember how to slice mysqldump? For example dump a 10 Gb mysql-db for 5x2Gb dumpfiles? |
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| 10:32.21 | acemi | Legality: split? |
| 10:32.48 | Legality | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqldump.html <--- doesnt show any split options? |
| 10:33.02 | hoxu | Legality, man split, it's a generic file splitting utility |
| 10:33.27 | Legality | ho |
| 10:34.05 | Legality | but would split really help in this? It's very important not to split the file between the db inserts |
| 10:34.24 | Legality | the files should be split so that a table insert is not in the middle of it |
| 10:34.31 | Legality | if you understand :> |
| 10:34.32 | acemi | use -l with split |
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| 10:34.47 | Legality | number of lines? |
| 10:34.50 | acemi | -l means lines |
| 10:34.54 | Legality | serious? 10 gb mysql dump? |
| 10:35.31 | acemi | before split, learn number of lines with wc -l |
| 10:35.41 | hoxu | uh |
| 10:35.44 | th1 | acemi, if he has temp space for all that.. |
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| 10:35.58 | hoxu | Legality, what do you actually need to split the dump for? |
| 10:36.18 | Legality | I'm transferring the dump to a vm which has only 15 gb of hdd space |
| 10:36.24 | Legality | or say 12 gb |
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| 10:36.57 | hoxu | Legality, so you can import only small chunks of the data? |
| 10:37.30 | Legality | hmm.. could one possibility be to transfer the raw data? |
| 10:37.36 | th1 | Legality, as long as you splice them back togheter when feeding them to mysql on the other end it shouldn't matter if they're split in the middle of an insert |
| 10:37.53 | Legality | shutdown the mysql, transfer the raw data at /var/lib/mysql to the new server and to be sure check the myisamfs |
| 10:37.57 | hoxu | Legality, what about piping the dump? :p |
| 10:38.16 | th1 | yeah with netcat or ssh |
| 10:38.26 | lindenle1 | does know what duplicity does by default |
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| 10:38.29 | Legality | what about raw data? I see no problems there |
| 10:38.35 | lindenle1 | i.e. does it try incremental then swutch to full? |
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| 10:38.57 | lindenle1 | yep it seems to |
| 10:39.11 | hoxu | Legality, at least the version needs to exactly same I think, I wouldn't recommend that if you can avoid it... also check what the mysql documentation says about that |
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| 10:40.09 | hoxu | lindenle1, try to form coherent sentences and thoughts, this isn't a multiplayer notepad or "let your thoughts fly freely" party :p |
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| 10:41.20 | lindenle1 | hoxu yeah sorry, it is 4am and i just triaged a major disaster |
| 10:41.29 | lindenle1 | im a bit punchy |
| 10:41.36 | hoxu | lindenle1, at least you have backups... right? :) |
| 10:41.40 | lindenle1 | yeah |
| 10:41.45 | lindenle1 | hence the duplicity Q |
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| 10:42.08 | Legality | th1: but slice wouldn't really help then would it |
| 10:42.09 | lindenle1 | hoxu: the real problem is I had to build a franken-server |
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| 10:42.41 | th1 | Legality, if you set up a script to pipe the output from each file as they arrive and then delete them, it could |
| 10:42.46 | Legality | If I would nee to have them all on the server and gather them up before inserting to the mysql? It takes the same space as one mysqldumo |
| 10:42.49 | hoxu | Legality, what prevents you from running mysqldump and piping it over ssh to the virtual machine and import on the fly? |
| 10:42.58 | Legality | skills? |
| 10:43.16 | Legality | no idea how that would be done |
| 10:43.19 | spreeuw | you can copy the MYI files |
| 10:43.22 | spreeuw | and associated |
| 10:43.28 | Legality | yeah, the raw data |
| 10:43.30 | spreeuw | it is even hot pluggable sorta |
| 10:43.31 | hoxu | Legality, let's see... something along the line of "mysqldump <params> |ssh <server> mysql <params>"? |
| 10:43.42 | spreeuw | but for safety better reload |
| 10:45.11 | th1 | hoxu or something like this: while true; do f=/tmp/nextpart; if [ -f "$f.done" ]; then cat $f; else; sleep 30; done; done and then run myscript | mysql |
| 10:45.28 | th1 | then copy each part file to /tmp/nextpart and when it's copied touch nextpart.done |
| 10:45.39 | th1 | it needs a bit more than this but you get the idea |
| 10:45.49 | hoxu | th1, looks like a solution looking for a problem to me |
| 10:46.01 | th1 | hoxu, it should work |
| 10:46.19 | hoxu | yes... but why? |
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| 10:47.00 | th1 | hoxu, because it doesn't need a persistent connection to the other machine |
| 10:47.33 | th1 | Legality, you could also look at mysql's replication stuff.. |
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| 10:51.16 | Legality | damn |
| 10:51.37 | Legality | why isn't there just a simple split-option in mysqldump... would be *so* much easier |
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| 10:51.47 | Legality | life ain't fair :> |
| 10:52.05 | hoxu | Legality, again, why can't you pipe over ssh? |
| 10:52.35 | hoxu | Legality, it's just like a regular pipe except you put the ssh command in there |
| 10:53.20 | Legality | mysqldump <params> |ssh <server> mysql <params>|rm <params>? |
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| 10:53.48 | hoxu | Legality, no need for rm command, there are no files created |
| 10:53.53 | hoxu | Legality, are you familiar with pipes? |
| 10:53.56 | Legality | no |
| 10:54.01 | hoxu | ah well |
| 10:54.53 | hoxu | http://www.december.com/unix/tutor/pipesfilters.html |
| 10:54.55 | hoxu | some info there |
| 10:54.57 | Legality | well it doesn't seem to be that complicated |
| 10:55.05 | hoxu | Legality, for now, what command do you use to mysqldump to a file? |
| 10:55.36 | Legality | mysqldump |
| 10:55.49 | hoxu | no you don't |
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| 10:56.27 | Legality | im not? |
| 10:56.43 | Legality | i didn't have the motivation to include the params in there |
| 10:57.22 | hoxu | right, and I don't have the motivation to do anything either... |
| 10:57.27 | hoxu | farts in the general direction of Sunday |
| 10:57.45 | Legality | haha |
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| 10:57.55 | Legality | im just being theoretical atm |
| 10:58.02 | Legality | finding potential solutions |
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| 10:58.38 | hoxu | right, it's always good to have some solutions looking for problems |
| 10:58.46 | hoxu | I personally prefer to keep them locked up in the basement though |
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| 10:59.07 | Greyhound- | does anyone have a non-scanned version of Tanenbaum's - Modern Operating Systems 2nd ed. ? |
| 10:59.20 | hoxu | Legality, aptitude install manpages; man 7 pipe |
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| 11:00.22 | hoxu | Greyhound-, maybe you could borrow a worn-out one from Linus. |
| 11:00.41 | Greyhound- | asked him, but he said he burned 'em all |
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| 11:01.34 | Legality | to be honest, in this case I would find the raw data transfer as the most promising |
| 11:01.45 | Legality | most simple action, after that piping |
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| 11:02.02 | Legality | after that manual editing of the dump file or creating the dump from only some tables at one time |
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| 11:09.53 | gast_ | is there any easy way to remove all non-essential files (logs, docs, cache, tmp...) from a debian system |
| 11:10.04 | gast_ | ? |
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| 11:11.01 | spreeuw | gast_: try reducing the root reserved space if you need room |
| 11:11.30 | spreeuw | I know from experience you do not want to remove manpages |
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| 11:11.42 | hoxu | gast_, logs should be rotated by logrotate, docs usually in separate -doc packages you can purge, tmp is cleared on reboot (or from cron perhaps)... |
| 11:11.42 | mutante | gast_: maybe you like the packages "deborphan" and "debfoster",too |
| 11:11.44 | Bushmills | gast_: there is tmpreaper for tmp, periodically deleting according date. but in general it is a bad idea to delete /tmp in a running system unless you can be sure that a file is not used anymore. but if that happens, that's more due to an unclean program, neglecting to do so upon termination. |
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| 11:12.31 | gast_ | thx |
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| 11:12.54 | hoxu | gast_, there's also cruft if you want to look for all stuff not owned by packages |
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| 11:31.19 | TuX_Claudiu | how do i install pidgin 2.4 and pidgin-plugin-pack on debian etch ? |
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| 11:41.13 | SerajewelKS | TuX_Claudiu: you don't, pidgin 2.4 isn't in etch |
| 11:41.26 | MrNotElendig | hey #debian, I have a second interface on this server which attempting to lookup PTRs on hosts it tries to connect to, hanging every connection until timeout |
| 11:41.48 | MrNotElendig | the reason for this is the second nic is completely internal and is trying to talk to external DNS servers, obviously failing to do so |
| 11:42.05 | MrNotElendig | how can I either force the server to lookup DNS on eth0 or disable PTR lookups completely on eth1 |
| 11:42.12 | aplsin | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
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| 11:43.02 | zxxd | script mountnfs in /etc/network/if-up.d , isn't smart |
| 11:43.24 | zxxd | it tries to mount nfs on every interface that is brought up |
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| 11:44.53 | socr | why does this loop end after it removes the first package that CAN be removes (=present) : cat list-of-packages | while read line; do sudo apt-get remove --yes $line; done |
| 11:47.53 | cusco | try: for i in $(cat package.list); do apt-get remove --yes $i; done |
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| 11:48.04 | jstephenson | How can I set the default audio playback device? |
| 11:48.24 | cusco | disable the integrated one in bios? :p |
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| 11:50.21 | jstephenson | Hmmm. Well sound worked fine before I restarted, but now speaker-test would give me 'ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:50.24 | jstephenson | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 11:50.44 | cahoot | jstephenson: asoundconf should answer the first questoin |
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| 11:51.28 | mik82 | hi Roger |
| 11:51.32 | mik82 | how r u? |
| 11:51.46 | mik82 | wath's up? |
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| 11:52.57 | asg | !roger mik82 |
| 11:52.58 | dpkg | Bend over, mik82 and take it like a man! |
| 11:53.51 | jstephenson | cahoot: Ah yes. Theoretically I've set the default now. |
| 11:54.40 | jstephenson | Shame it seems to have made things worse :P. |
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| 11:56.09 | telemachus | socr: perl -i.bak -pe 's/$/\tdeinstall' package_list; dpkg --set-selections < package_list; apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 11:56.14 | telemachus | should also work |
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| 12:00.16 | abhi_ | I have gnome bluetooth installed in my system. when i connect my bluetooth dongle to pc a icons pops in my task bar. but I am not able to send files from my pc to my mobile phone. what should i do? |
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| 12:02.20 | abhi_ | help pls |
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| 12:04.25 | socr | ok thnx |
| 12:04.44 | dutchfish | abhi_: i have not much knowledge about bluetooth, but did you check multisync ? |
| 12:05.04 | abhi_ | what is multisync? |
| 12:05.18 | madk | rawtherapee wont start up at my lenny/sid 64bit. i get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1035821 problem was solved for ubuntu, but not for debian :/ |
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| 12:05.53 | dutchfish | abhi_: to synchronize data between phones etc, it can handle bluetooth |
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| 12:06.11 | abhi_ | ok |
| 12:06.12 | madk | any ideas? |
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| 12:11.10 | dutchfish | madk: is libftdi installed correctly? |
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| 12:11.48 | sll | hi! I want to install 4 OS: ubuntu (32 & 64 bits) + debian (32 & 64 bits). By now I've ubuntu64 instaled over root /partition + a /home partition + 4 empty partitions. The idea is all OS have the same /home. I would know about users and grub management. If is better have differents users. And how to manage grub for easy updates. Anybody know abou it o where to find som information? Thanks in advance. |
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| 12:12.01 | madk | dutchfish, i havnt installed libftdi. aptitude only shows libftdi1 and -dev should i install? |
| 12:12.26 | dutchfish | madk: some apps asume wrongly libftdi.so.0 wich is 32bit hence your error |
| 12:13.07 | dutchfish | madk: libftdi is prolly what you need |
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| 12:13.17 | madk | dutchfish, i'll try out |
| 12:13.32 | dutchfish | madk: libftdi1 is prolly what you need (correction) |
| 12:14.22 | madk | dutchfish, didnt work |
| 12:14.28 | madk | dutchfish, still the same error |
| 12:14.33 | socr | telemachus: this works : cat list-of-packages | while read line; do sudo </dev/null apt-get remove --yes $line; done |
| 12:15.57 | dutchfish | madk: it also is in libftdi-dev ... but i am not sure |
| 12:16.31 | telemachus | socr: I believe that works, I just find my way easier and it avoids a crazy number of calls to sudo |
| 12:16.40 | dutchfish | madk: what you need is a 32bit in userland under amd64, but others are maybe better to help you with that |
| 12:16.41 | telemachus | (why sudo at all, btw?) |
| 12:17.25 | madk | dutchfish, i dont understad why i need a lib to talk FTDI EEPROM chips via usb to run rawtherapee.... |
| 12:17.53 | dutchfish | madk: you should not need it, but your app demands it |
| 12:18.18 | madk | dutchfish, hmm... still not working |
| 12:19.26 | madk | dutchfish, where do you see that? |
| 12:19.29 | dutchfish | madk: where did this app came from? its not under amd64 as far as i can see |
| 12:20.30 | dutchfish | !info rawtherapee |
| 12:20.31 | madk | dutchfish, http://www.rawtherapee.com/?mitem=3 i tried the 64bit dep-package (with dpkg -i and -x) and the tgz archive |
| 12:21.00 | somebee | if I want to install a newer version of a package than what is available on etch, is it best to use pinning or backports? |
| 12:21.19 | dutchfish | madk: its not debian (yet) sorry |
| 12:21.27 | telemachus | somebee: backports, since the packages there are compiled for etch |
| 12:21.39 | somebee | telemachus: hmm ok. is it hard to set up? |
| 12:21.51 | telemachus | somebee: mixing etch with packages compiled for lenny or sid will pull your system towards lenny or sid by stages |
| 12:22.06 | dutchfish | madk: maybe you can get it going compiling it from source |
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| 12:22.22 | telemachus | somebee: no, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 12:22.31 | madk | dutchfish, hehe, i was running it on my notebook for several month :) but then (after some debian (!) update, it crashed (same error)) now i am trying to get it running on desktop pc again. |
| 12:22.45 | telemachus | somebee: if anything, it's easier than pinning (though that isn't too hard either) |
| 12:23.06 | telemachus | I would say in general pinning is for mixed testing/unstable systems, though some people might disagree |
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| 12:23.36 | somebee | telemachus: thanks :) I had pinning going now, but backports seems easy enough to use |
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| 12:24.48 | telemachus | somebee: depending on how much you've used pinning, you may already be tilting towards Lenny |
| 12:24.57 | telemachus | that's not necessarily bad, but it's worth knowing |
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| 12:25.16 | somebee | telemachus: not used at all. its a clean install :) |
| 12:25.39 | madk | dutchfish, hmm.. i dont see the source for downloading... |
| 12:25.45 | dutchfish | madk: debian is not ubuntu, compile from source is my best bet |
| 12:26.21 | somebee | telemachus: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions adding the last thing here in preferences will make all packages that are available from backports to use backports? |
| 12:26.53 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 12:26.58 | dutchfish | madk: its on the front page ... hehe |
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| 12:27.40 | dutchfish | madk: but its not gpl either |
| 12:28.01 | somebee | telemachus: hmm, it seems to fetch the package from etch still, after updating sources, and 'apt-get -t etch-backports install ruby' |
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| 12:28.44 | telemachus | you edited the sources and then did apt-get update? |
| 12:29.02 | telemachus | (also did you check that there was a newer ruby in Backports?) |
| 12:29.13 | telemachus | somebee: backports doesn't have everything newer |
| 12:29.19 | telemachus | do a search for the package itself |
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| 12:29.25 | somebee | telemachus: yep. but it seems that it is only for amd64.. the server is intel.. |
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| 12:30.02 | madk | grr... is there another good rawconverter like rawtherapee? |
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| 12:30.14 | dutchfish | madk: convert what? |
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| 12:30.26 | telemachus | somebee: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ruby&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 12:30.53 | dutchfish | madk: raw sound raw bitmaps, what? |
| 12:30.57 | telemachus | somebee: ruby1.8 and rubygems are available |
| 12:30.58 | madk | dutchfish, convert RAW files from Minolta D7 to jpg/png, whatever. i know, there is dcraw, but i want to have a live preview. |
| 12:31.13 | dutchfish | madk: ah... hold a sec |
| 12:31.21 | somebee | telemachus: but only for amd64 |
| 12:31.31 | darius12 | how can I send an escape sequence to another window in gnu screen? (tried e.g., "stuff \033[A" but it doesn't work) |
| 12:31.33 | somebee | telemachus: I prob need to just use pinning |
| 12:31.36 | telemachus | ah, right, sorry, I'm still looking at the output |
| 12:31.48 | madk | dutchfish, raw is the "native" format of pictures from a digitalcamera. it contains all informations (no loss like with jpeg..) |
| 12:32.10 | dutchfish | madk: ufraw |
| 12:32.46 | dutchfish | madk: gimp-ufraw |
| 12:32.59 | cahoot | madk: dcraw can extract the jpeg thumb |
| 12:33.44 | madk | dutchfish, yeah, i will give it a try |
| 12:34.27 | dutchfish | madk: i see no other solutions apart from rawstudio |
| 12:34.28 | somebee | is testing or unstable the most stable? |
| 12:34.35 | madk | cahoot, right. but dcraw is a console program (i use for automation) but i need a program with live-view of the changes. |
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| 12:35.03 | cahoot | madk: ok - I bought bibble |
| 12:35.15 | telemachus | somebee: um, what would you think? ;) |
| 12:35.27 | th1 | any experts on dmcrypt? I'm trying to create a volume with this command but it fails: cryptsetup -v -c aes-xts-plain luksFormat /dev/mapper/box-vol1sc , it works if I use aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 instead, but I have the xts module loaded so it should work? |
| 12:35.30 | somebee | telemachus: probably testing, but I'm not sure :P |
| 12:35.34 | dutchfish | !info rawstudio |
| 12:35.38 | dpkg | rawstudio: (open source raw-image converter), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 336 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 12:35.54 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | !info sniff |
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| 12:36.19 | telemachus | somebee: if you are running a server, honestly, neither is sufficiently stable |
| 12:37.13 | darius12 | hmm, ok I found it :-) just use backticks: `echo -ne '\e'` works |
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| 12:37.17 | somebee | telemachus: I hope _some_ of the packages are stable enough. not being able to have ruby 1.8.6 would be relatively problematic.. maybe I should have chosen ubuntu :/ |
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| 12:37.46 | spreeuw | somebee: everytime you have such plans think of all your customers calling you up at once, asking why they cant work |
| 12:37.47 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | how about a backport or installing from source? |
| 12:37.53 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | or a debian source into a package |
| 12:37.53 | telemachus | if it's just the one package, why not just install/compile that locally? |
| 12:37.58 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | forgot how it's clalled |
| 12:38.21 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | spreeuw you can use a deb-src from an unstable source to create a package with the stable libs |
| 12:38.46 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | what's it called? |
| 12:38.46 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | !dpkg ssd |
| 12:38.46 | dpkg | hmm... ssd is (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. |
| 12:38.46 | telemachus | somebee: the problem with testing/unstable for a server is that they will require constant upgrades, since things change fairly frequently |
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| 12:38.47 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | lol no |
| 12:39.05 | amikrop | Greetings. I think it would be nice, if the developers could make (deb) packages that automate the installation and configuration of hardware drivers like dial-up modems (like Lucent WinModems), usb modems (like ueagle-atm), and more. |
| 12:39.12 | spreeuw | solid state brick |
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| 12:40.06 | SerajewelKS | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: simple sid backport |
| 12:40.10 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | yes |
| 12:40.24 | somebee | hmm, I see that installing ruby from testing upgraded tons of other libs, so I see your points :/ |
| 12:40.50 | somebee | is there any mentionable downside to using ubuntu or something instead of debian? I mean, what are the drawbacks (for a webserver) |
| 12:40.57 | madk | dutchfish, neither rawstudio nor ufraw have a good highlight-recovery... |
| 12:41.04 | telemachus | somebee: well then, the issue is solved: you are running Lenny for all intents and purposes |
| 12:41.09 | madk | cahoot, the screenshots look good. |
| 12:41.09 | SerajewelKS | somebee: for starters, ubuntu is meant for desktops, not servers |
| 12:41.30 | dutchfish | madk: then you maybe want the compile from source way .... |
| 12:41.36 | spreeuw | there is an ubuntu server distro |
| 12:41.37 | SerajewelKS | somebee: the default security options are probably not what you will want and will take quite a bit of tweaking to make secure |
| 12:41.45 | dutchfish | madk: it seams a nice package so |
| 12:41.46 | spreeuw | it has 5 year support |
| 12:41.47 | SerajewelKS | spreeuw: sounds like an oxymoron |
| 12:41.49 | spreeuw | like centos |
| 12:42.00 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | somebee just install from source |
| 12:42.05 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | or a simple sid backport |
| 12:42.20 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:42.20 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 12:42.32 | zamba | how do i deterministicly decide which NIC should be eth0? |
| 12:42.37 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | !dpkg tell somebee simple sid backport |
| 12:42.43 | madk | dutchfish, seems like i am blind this sunday. but where did you see one could donwload the source. you said previously on the front page, but i didnt find |
| 12:42.43 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | !tell somebee simple sid backport |
| 12:42.52 | stew | zamba: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 12:42.57 | zamba | i've tried using /etc/modutils/aliases |
| 12:43.02 | amikrop | So, are there any related plans? |
| 12:43.52 | zamba | ah, there! |
| 12:43.54 | zamba | stew: thanks .) |
| 12:44.08 | dutchfish | madk: http://www.rawtherapee.com/?mitem=3&artid=24 (the tarball) |
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| 12:45.56 | dutchfish | madk: oops its not source, sorry |
| 12:46.35 | madk | dutchfish, ^^ |
| 12:46.40 | dutchfish | madk: nothing left then, then to contact the author |
| 12:46.44 | madk | dutchfish, but this version doesnt run either. |
| 12:47.15 | madk | dutchfish, i think, the project is only kind of "shareware" and thus there is no source |
| 12:47.36 | dutchfish | madk: shareware could be any licensing model |
| 12:47.56 | dutchfish | madk: but thats another story |
| 12:47.57 | madk | dutchfish, hmm.. but there is no source on the site |
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| 12:48.19 | dutchfish | madk: ask the author |
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| 12:48.43 | gestahlt | Hi |
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| 12:49.39 | dbmoodb | hi a... since when are bcm43xx things on the etch cd... |
| 12:49.45 | dbmoodb | i hope i am just seeing a glitch here |
| 12:49.48 | gestahlt | Is it possible to give harddrives static names by connection? "Ide0Master = sda / ide0Slave = sdb / ide1master = sdc ide1slave =sdd) |
| 12:50.01 | dbmoodb | ah good it is just a glitch |
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| 12:51.37 | Danker | Hi |
| 12:51.40 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | ide master = sda? |
| 12:51.45 | gestahlt | aye |
| 12:51.52 | gestahlt | or hda |
| 12:51.54 | gestahlt | i dont care |
| 12:51.54 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | you mean ide master = hda? |
| 12:51.55 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | oh |
| 12:51.56 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | well |
| 12:52.00 | Danker | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: No |
| 12:52.02 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | its already like that, sort of |
| 12:52.08 | gestahlt | well no it isnt.. |
| 12:52.09 | Danker | ide = hda |
| 12:52.12 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | sata 0 = sda |
| 12:52.15 | gestahlt | uhm |
| 12:52.17 | Danker | Yes |
| 12:52.19 | dutchfish | madk: i would prefer gimp and its related plugin |
| 12:52.22 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | sata 1 = sdb |
| 12:52.22 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | etc |
| 12:52.32 | dbmoodb | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: can you please change your name |
| 12:52.34 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | so is IDE 0 = hda IDE 2 = hdb IDE 3 = hdc |
| 12:52.37 | gestahlt | my debian distro (xubuntu) ide = sda |
| 12:52.42 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | dbmoodb why? |
| 12:52.43 | Danker | Yes |
| 12:52.51 | dbmoodb | can we kick him ? |
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| 12:52.59 | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | lol |
| 12:53.02 | gestahlt | it lists ide devices in scsi |
| 12:53.05 | Danker | saaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: Cause it is hurting our eyes ;) |
| 12:53.18 | saaa | there you go |
| 12:53.30 | Danker | Does debian or ubuntu offer more generic (supports more devices) kernel? |
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| 12:53.42 | gestahlt | no idea |
| 12:53.59 | gestahlt | but since xubuntu is debian bases i thought i am irght here |
| 12:54.03 | saaa | Gesth never saw that |
| 12:54.10 | gestahlt | Really |
| 12:54.20 | gestahlt | xubuntu 8.04 kernel 2.6.24 = ide listed in scsi |
| 12:54.29 | saaa | oh, never used xubuntu |
| 12:54.39 | saaa | maybe the folks at the ubuntu channel know more |
| 12:54.40 | gestahlt | its like ubuntu just with x instead of gnome |
| 12:54.47 | saaa | wow |
| 12:54.52 | saaa | 1300 people :p |
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| 12:54.55 | pngwn | gestahlt, off topic in here |
| 12:55.19 | saaa | people tend to wait to around the corner to yell off topic, dont they? |
| 12:55.19 | gestahlt | Uhm i dont even think its a distro based question tho |
| 12:55.39 | gestahlt | pngwn, where should i go with my question then? |
| 12:55.40 | wols_ | gestahlt: we only support debian. you run ubuntu so ask #ubuntu |
| 12:55.44 | Bushmills | gestahlt: and it comes with a user base which can't tell apart x server from desktop environment. |
| 12:55.48 | saaa | gestahlt ask around in #Ubuntu maybe the know |
| 12:55.49 | wols_ | !tell gestahlt about ubuntu |
| 12:55.57 | pngwn | #ubuntu or #xubuntu ? |
| 12:56.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills: :) |
| 12:56.17 | asg | pngwn: I'm sure he can figure it out |
| 12:56.18 | saaa | what is ubunyu? |
| 12:56.22 | saaa | xubuntu |
| 12:56.31 | asg | !fgi |
| 12:56.32 | dpkg | i heard fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 12:56.37 | pngwn | asg, ok ;) |
| 12:56.48 | madk | dutchfish, hmmm... i know that the rawtherapee worked on debian 64 bit. i liked the program much because of the good functions. maybee i must switch to ufraw :/ |
| 12:57.06 | saaa | asg no i wont, on spite! |
| 12:57.28 | gestahlt | Guys, actually i came here because i thought you know better than the ppl in ubuntu |
| 12:57.40 | dutchfish | madk: not only ufraw but try to grasp the gimp, ones you mastered it, its awsome |
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| 12:57.58 | saaa | gestahlt and the nice folks here told you they don't know such an issue, so it's probably ubuntu's fault |
| 12:58.03 | gestahlt | lol |
| 12:58.10 | gestahlt | good one |
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| 12:58.31 | saaa | i wasn't joking, but yeah, that is kinda funny :p |
| 12:58.46 | gestahlt | i dont think its distro specific. Its not even a problem. Is there a chan where i can ask udev / kernel specific questions then'? |
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| 12:59.11 | saaa | beats me :p |
| 12:59.29 | madk | dutchfish, i dont know yet how do do such a good highligt-recovery as rawtherapee did ^^ |
| 12:59.46 | Dewi | gestahlt: your drives are already ordered by connection |
| 12:59.49 | dutchfish | madk: the gimp (again) does an excellent job on thta one |
| 12:59.57 | Dewi | gestahlt: alphabetically |
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| 13:01.19 | dutchfish | madk: http://www.dyxum.com/reviews/converters/reviews.asp?IDS=17 |
| 13:01.31 | gestahlt | dewi: but when one drive is missing, lets say hdb then hdc becomes hdb in the next boot |
| 13:01.35 | madk | dutchfish, i am just trying the gimp-plugin. i assume i have to play with the luminosity-curve |
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| 13:02.16 | dutchfish | madk: http://registry.gimp.org/taxonomy/term/153 |
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| 13:03.29 | Dewi | gestahlt: yes |
| 13:03.41 | Dewi | gestahlt: you can use volume labels, or LVM |
| 13:03.48 | Dewi | gestahlt: to stop that affecting you |
| 13:04.26 | somebee | I get command not found in terminal for many things I have installed (and that should work). Do I need to update something to refresh commands? |
| 13:04.33 | gestahlt | dewi: Where do i set them up? |
| 13:05.10 | gestahlt | dewi: or do you mean giving specific hds specific paths? |
| 13:05.19 | gestahlt | dewi: because the harddrives are never the same |
| 13:05.39 | gestahlt | dewi: only the path needs to be static by bus |
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| 13:06.00 | dutchfish | madk: http://people.zoy.org/~cyril/ufraw_highlight_recovery/ (last one) |
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| 13:08.48 | Dewi | gestahlt: no |
| 13:08.58 | Dewi | gestahlt: I'm not talking about paths |
| 13:09.14 | Nyle | giidmirning |
| 13:09.19 | Nyle | goodmor* |
| 13:09.25 | Dewi | gestahlt: paths will not be static unless you are using a device mapper like LVM |
| 13:09.51 | larsl | Does anyone have mozilla-plugin-gnash working with YouTube on AMD64? |
| 13:09.53 | Dewi | gestahlt: you can do that if you want, but the option is also there to use filesystem volume labels, which are recognised by both 'fstab' and 'grub' |
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| 13:10.21 | larsl | I just get an empty white box, no video. |
| 13:10.24 | Dewi | gestahlt: my fstab looks like... LABEL=vetchroot / ext3 |
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| 13:10.49 | madk | dutchfish, right... the shadow-highlight-script works fine :) |
| 13:10.55 | Dewi | gestahlt: and my grub template looks like... kopt=root=LABEL=vetchroot ro |
| 13:10.59 | dutchfish | madk: :) |
| 13:11.16 | Dewi | gestahlt: from there, the probe order never matters |
| 13:11.19 | Nyle | grub |
| 13:11.43 | Dewi | gestahlt: and like I say, you can get static paths with LVM, but booting off LVM is complicated, so LVM doesn't solve this problem entirely (for me anyway) |
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| 13:12.21 | madk | dutchfish, unfortunatly, you can not save all the steps you did in a small "profile"-file which can be applyed to any file. anyway, i will read the information you gave me. |
| 13:12.40 | dutchfish | madk: you can script the gimp ;) |
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| 13:13.21 | gestahlt | ok thanks dewi. I try to figure something out from that |
| 13:13.25 | gestahlt | laters |
| 13:13.53 | madk | dutchfish, you do some photographing? |
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| 13:14.17 | KZFR`MuskaOtik | Hi all |
| 13:14.25 | dutchfish | madk: almost ;) |
| 13:14.32 | Nyle | dutchfish, hey |
| 13:14.49 | dutchfish | Nyle: hi |
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| 13:14.57 | MuskaOtik | I have a problem with apache2 and virtual host on debian 4.0 can someone help me to configure virtual host please ? |
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| 13:15.42 | MuskaOtik | when i start apache2 i have this warn : [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 13:15.45 | saaa | MuskaOtik its an #apache question :e |
| 13:15.55 | saaa | and its nothing to worry about |
| 13:16.02 | saaa | just remove that NameVirualHost * line |
| 13:16.10 | MuskaOtik | really ? |
| 13:16.12 | MuskaOtik | i try |
| 13:16.55 | madk | dutchfish, i am just imaging how someone does almost photograph sth... :) |
| 13:17.27 | dutchfish | madk: no but i have strongly related affection to it |
| 13:17.30 | MuskaOtik | it work .... thanks you ^^ |
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| 13:18.25 | madk | dutchfish, ok. |
| 13:18.30 | varney | perhaps i should ask this in proftpd, but why does proftpd decide to keep 'pausing' occasionally at USER and then times out? |
| 13:18.34 | doublehp | I am using a USB/IDE external case; I am performing at the same time "rf" on the disk, and cp to the same disk; in syslog I can read pages of "EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 13656026". Are those emssages OK, or BAD ? |
| 13:18.36 | varney | it's on Debian |
| 13:18.47 | madk | dutchfish, the results are amaizing :) thanks a lot for all your suggestions! |
| 13:18.55 | dutchfish | madk: yw |
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| 13:22.39 | doublehp | varney: are you sure it's proftpd pausing ? check your packet loss, and if the server has quota ... |
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| 13:23.10 | gd1 | hi, how can I set up a user without password? |
| 13:23.25 | gd1 | I mean, blank password |
| 13:23.41 | dutchfish | varney: wait a sec. Is this sarge? |
| 13:23.56 | varney | no, etch |
| 13:24.11 | doublehp | gd1: root can do so; the manual way is to play the shadow os passwd file content, but I forgot which way |
| 13:24.24 | varney | doublehp: what do you mean quota? quotas aren't enabled btw |
| 13:24.29 | wols_ | gd1: man 5 passwd |
| 13:24.29 | dutchfish | varney: i had simular issue, proftpd iddling on 99% cpu |
| 13:24.31 | hoxu | gd1, why do you think you need such a user? I'm not even sure if you can log in with a blank password |
| 13:24.55 | hoxu | gd1, locally maybe, but not sure about remotely |
| 13:24.58 | wols_ | hoxu: depends on the app. I'm fairly sure sshd won't allow it. login might/shoudl |
| 13:25.12 | hoxu | wols_, sounds reasonable |
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| 13:25.15 | gd1 | hoxu, is just what I wanted to do |
| 13:25.21 | dutchfish | varney: after killing its process and restrating it went fine |
| 13:25.23 | wols_ | gd1: I just told you |
| 13:25.25 | doublehp | varney: user bandwidth ie. |
| 13:25.27 | gd1 | well I want that user not to be |
| 13:25.38 | gd1 | allowed to login remotely |
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| 13:25.58 | pozic | Is there a clear_terminal command that does the same as clear_console, but you guessed it right: the terminal? |
| 13:26.03 | gd1 | is there a better way to tweak sshd in order to prevent that user to access the system remotely |
| 13:26.04 | bAndie91 | hi all |
| 13:26.18 | gd1 | it is better than emptying its password |
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| 13:26.44 | pozic | s\but you\but for you |
| 13:26.45 | hoxu | gd1, I usually create a "sshusers" group and add all users to it who should be able to use ssh, and then add "AllowGroups root sshusers" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:26.51 | asg | pozic: reset |
| 13:26.56 | wols_ | gd1: man sshd_config |
| 13:26.57 | spreeuw | gd1: alter the shell |
| 13:26.59 | varney | dutchfish: can you remember how to restart xinetd off the top of your head? i run proftpd via it... |
| 13:27.02 | gd1 | NICE |
| 13:27.04 | gd1 | thank you all |
| 13:27.06 | dr_watson | Hi, I just compiled a kernel and now I want to boot it. It seems Grub won't boot it unless there's a corresponding initrd.img. How do I create this? I couldn't find any target in the kernel makefile... |
| 13:27.24 | th1 | dr_watson, update-initramfs -c -k <version> |
| 13:27.29 | dutchfish | varney: service blah restart ??? (not sure) |
| 13:27.29 | spreeuw | if you disable an account it still allows keyauth |
| 13:27.32 | wols_ | dr_watson: you use kernel-package |
| 13:27.37 | wols_ | th1: not good |
| 13:27.40 | spreeuw | may depend on sshd options |
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| 13:27.44 | bAndie91 | hey, why says lpc: privilegized command, im member of group lp |
| 13:27.47 | bAndie91 | ? |
| 13:27.47 | dr_watson | thl, where <verison> = kernel-name? |
| 13:27.56 | wols_ | dr_watson: do not do it |
| 13:27.58 | pozic | asg: thanks, that also works in the console. :) |
| 13:27.59 | th1 | dr_watson, 2.6.17 or whatever |
| 13:28.02 | dr_watson | wols_, I'll give that a try |
| 13:28.06 | dr_watson | thl thanks |
| 13:28.10 | dr_watson | wols_, why not? |
| 13:28.10 | spreeuw | bAndie91: login again |
| 13:28.15 | wols_ | dr_watson: kernel-package not making the kernel manually |
| 13:28.24 | th1 | dr_watson, but if you uise kernel-package like wols said it will do it for you automatically.. |
| 13:28.25 | dr_watson | wols_, hmm. already did. |
| 13:28.39 | wols_ | cause you cannot uninstall the kernel, the kernel is not added to your boot menu, initrd is never recomputed when needed, etc |
| 13:28.47 | dr_watson | thl right. I'll try this out now. |
| 13:28.56 | wols_ | dr_watson: then do it again this time with kernel-package |
| 13:29.07 | wols_ | !tell dr_watson about k-p |
| 13:29.15 | th1 | dr_watson, even if you already built the kernel you don't have to rebuild it completely to use kernel-package |
| 13:29.23 | bAndie91 | spreeuw, not works |
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| 13:29.40 | somebee | is there a file where I can set PATH for all users on the system? |
| 13:29.46 | th1 | somebee, /etc/profile |
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| 13:30.27 | dutchfish | varney: in my case proftpd's process was only killable by kill -9 , i suspect it had to do with updates for perl |
| 13:30.47 | dr_watson | thl: okay. I have already installed it and updated grub's menu and installed modules, so I only missed the instructions on how to create a initrd img. but thanks for telling me! I'll definitely use kpkg next time |
| 13:31.10 | bAndie91 | spreeuw, not works, error is same |
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| 13:32.16 | dr_watson | thl, wols_ thanks for the help. going rebooting... |
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| 13:33.32 | vjoe | hey |
| 13:33.42 | varney | dutchfish: weird, it is working again. i didn't restart anything, it just worked. :) |
| 13:34.17 | dutchfish | varney: check logs to find out |
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| 13:35.26 | spreeuw | bAndie91: dunno, does it work as root? |
| 13:35.42 | somebee | th1: thanks! |
| 13:35.57 | bAndie91 | spreeuw, as root yes |
| 13:36.01 | spreeuw | it's probably in the docs of the printing command |
| 13:36.12 | spreeuw | does group have executable right? |
| 13:36.12 | somebee | when I do sudo echo $PATH, the right path shows up, but when doing sudo *command*, it says command not found |
| 13:36.16 | somebee | any ideas? |
| 13:36.24 | spreeuw | r-xr-x--- |
| 13:36.44 | th1 | somebee when you do sudo echo $PATH it expands path before it switches you to root user |
| 13:36.46 | bAndie91 | spreeuw, r-xr-s--- |
| 13:36.47 | spreeuw | somebee: they differ |
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| 13:37.12 | th1 | somebee try sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH' |
| 13:37.15 | spreeuw | bAndie91: should work then I think |
| 13:37.23 | spreeuw | maybe you need to be member of more groups yet |
| 13:37.26 | somebee | spreeuw: so how can I make these commands avaiable to sudo to? |
| 13:37.36 | somebee | th1: then I get another path yep |
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| 13:37.52 | th1 | somebee, in /etc/profile it checks for root and if it's root it uses a different path |
| 13:38.02 | spreeuw | somebee: quick approach is sudo su - |
| 13:38.02 | th1 | also in /root/.profile it might override the path there as well |
| 13:38.14 | somebee | th1: I know, but I added the path to both root and others in etc/profile |
| 13:38.19 | spreeuw | but you can also set the path probperly |
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| 13:38.49 | dbmoodb | !etch to lenny |
| 13:39.21 | asg | dbmoodb: /topic |
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| 13:39.58 | th1 | somebee, when you sudo like that, it doesn't run profile, and I think in that case it uses the path from /etc/login.defs |
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| 13:40.05 | somebee | hmm, but sudo seems to have a very sp |
| 13:40.09 | somebee | th1: ah, ok! |
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| 13:40.20 | garotosopa | What happened to ntpdate on lenny? |
| 13:40.34 | asg | garotosopa: /msg dpkg why is ntpdate not in testing |
| 13:41.01 | somebee | th1: that is the only place to set PATH for sudo? |
| 13:41.21 | th1 | sudoers no |
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| 13:41.29 | th1 | I think you can set it in sudoers as well |
| 13:41.58 | dbmoodb | garotosopa: why do you need it anyway ? |
| 13:41.59 | garotosopa | hmm it didn't explain me anything :( |
| 13:42.24 | garotosopa | dbmoodb, I used it to sync the time with a ntp server. is there another way? |
| 13:42.29 | dbmoodb | ntp ? |
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| 13:42.57 | dbmoodb | ntp should be fine no ? |
| 13:43.00 | somebee | th1: adding the path to /etc/login.defs didnt work atleast |
| 13:43.25 | dbmoodb | btw anyone know how lenny is coming along in terms of freezes etc. |
| 13:44.27 | pabix | Hello! I wonder whether there is a way to get rid of those DOZENS of mktexlsr and updmap-sys when installing or upgrading TeX distributions, and having that done Once in the end? |
| 13:44.48 | asg | garotosopa: you probably want the openntpd package |
| 13:45.34 | dbmoodb | doesnt the ntp one do the whole thing ??... |
| 13:45.38 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: http://release.debian.org/ |
| 13:45.49 | garotosopa | dbmoodb, I can find no ntp package in lenny/amd64 |
| 13:45.51 | dbmoodb | i know Bushmills i was asking here for a reason -- general feel |
| 13:45.57 | asg | garotosopa: that's because there isn't one |
| 13:45.59 | dbmoodb | garotosopa: really ? |
| 13:46.04 | asg | garotosopa: use openntpd |
| 13:46.11 | dbmoodb | what.... really no ntp for 64bit lenny ? |
| 13:46.18 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: about 1800 release critical bugs |
| 13:46.27 | garotosopa | asg, I thought it was a daemon/server, isn't it? |
| 13:46.34 | asg | garotosopa: yes |
| 13:46.49 | dbmoodb | not bad Bushmills. have to get to 0 yeah ? |
| 13:46.50 | Bushmills | fix 10 per day, and it will be .. november, plus the time for fixing new ones |
| 13:47.15 | dbmoodb | Bushmills: i thought the release date was sept ? rofl |
| 13:47.31 | Bushmills | bets taken somewhere |
| 13:47.34 | garotosopa | asg, isn't there any other package that is only a client? |
| 13:47.38 | asg | garotosopa: no |
| 13:48.01 | asg | dbmoodb: /msg dpkg lenny pool |
| 13:48.03 | Bushmills | actually, only 600 |
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| 13:48.14 | dbmoodb | /msg dpkg lenny pool |
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| 13:48.21 | dbmoodb | ?? |
| 13:48.43 | asg | dbmoodb: you type /msg dpkg lenny pool in your irc client and the bot tells you stuff without us having it spam the channel by using ! |
| 13:48.52 | Iraklis | hi, i am wondering if i can create a live cd based on my debian ? |
| 13:49.08 | liable | Iraklis: no |
| 13:49.10 | asg | Iraklis: yes, check out the bootcd package |
| 13:49.19 | dbmoodb | oh sorry |
| 13:49.19 | garotosopa | does it sound too weird to have a package that's only a ntp client? |
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| 13:49.34 | Iraklis | bootcd is like mklivecd of mandriva? |
| 13:49.34 | dbmoodb | i did try then i thought /msg would bring up its own thing but it didn't |
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| 13:50.04 | asg | Iraklis: essentially, it makes a live cd out of your currently running debian system |
| 13:50.16 | pozic | When I do cat foo RET UP-ARROW UP-ARROW, the history is overlapping with the hostname part of username@hostname. Is that normal? It seems a bug to me. |
| 13:50.19 | Iraklis | asg thanks a lot i will try it |
| 13:50.44 | Bushmills | pozic: missing line feed at end of file |
| 13:51.42 | pozic | Bushmills: a true UNIX editor won't ever let me create a file without one then? |
| 13:51.49 | somebee | is there a simple way to alter the PATH-var for sudo? |
| 13:51.51 | Bushmills | ah. no. wrong term emu, or flaky prompt |
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| 13:52.38 | Bushmills | pozic: "won't ever let you?", it is you who controls the system, not the system controlling you. |
| 13:52.54 | Bushmills | at least that's the theoriy |
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| 13:53.29 | anoHito | hello guys ,would anyone suggest me a nice irc client for PPC which uses windows mobile 6.0 ? |
| 13:53.31 | pozic | Bushmills: yes, I know. But what term emu should work then? |
| 13:53.33 | dbmoodb | i thought we all controlled by us |
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| 13:53.43 | dbmoodb | to make all powerful system of good |
| 13:53.49 | bAndie91 | anoHito, nirc |
| 13:53.50 | anoHito | i found one named Packet IRC but it is not free :( |
| 13:53.53 | Bushmills | pozic: the correct one |
| 13:54.00 | bAndie91 | anoHito, nirc; naim |
| 13:54.03 | anoHito | bAndie91, is it neat ? |
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| 13:54.23 | bAndie91 | its a good irc client |
| 13:54.23 | pozic | Bushmills: by term emu, you mean something like konsole, xterm, gnome-terminal etc, right? |
| 13:54.58 | anoHito | bAndie91, Thanks :D |
| 13:55.18 | wols_ | anoHito: you are in the wrong channel |
| 13:55.41 | Bushmills | pozic: no. i mean linux knowing what control sequences to send, in accordance with your term interpreting those (and translating them to cursor movements, deletions etc) |
| 13:55.48 | anoHito | sorry wols_ :) |
| 13:56.17 | somebee | any way to edit the PATH used by sudo? |
| 13:57.26 | asg | garotosopa: ntpdate is in sid so it will likely make it to lenny eventually. It's just not there now for the reasons listed in the '/msg why is ntpdate not in testing' |
| 13:58.33 | spreeuw | somebee: you can specify it in front of commands also |
| 13:58.38 | garotosopa | fine. It's installed now. I'm asking it just because it appeared on Obsolete/Local Installed packages list on aptitude. |
| 13:58.42 | garotosopa | asg, thanks! |
| 13:58.49 | spreeuw | PATH=$PATH:/addition |
| 13:59.10 | somebee | spreeuw: k.. but is there no more permanent ways to do it for sudoers? |
| 13:59.18 | pozic | Bushmills: I tried rxvt, konsole, gnome-terminal, xterm and the real console and they all have this flaky behaviour. |
| 13:59.53 | spreeuw | somebee: dunno, maybe the root bash/rc/profile |
| 14:00.18 | somebee | spreeuw: noe :( |
| 14:00.20 | somebee | nope* |
| 14:00.55 | spreeuw | the sudo manpage should have it |
| 14:00.57 | spreeuw | or google |
| 14:01.14 | spreeuw | maybe login.defs |
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| 14:09.42 | somebee | do I need to reload login.defs or should it be enough to log in and out? |
| 14:10.01 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 14:10.26 | Mazingaro | please has anyone got a lifebook c1020 notebook working fan? |
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| 14:11.13 | asg | Mazingaro: check tuxmobile.org and see if that model is supported and also if there are any notes about fans |
| 14:11.18 | wols_ | !tell Mazingaro about laptop |
| 14:11.29 | Mazingaro | asg, wols_ thanks |
| 14:11.35 | vchrizz_ | should i partition a raid dev and then format the partition inside or should i format the raid dev without partitioning? whats the difference? |
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| 14:14.30 | spreeuw | vchrizz_: both |
| 14:14.40 | Mazingaro | asg: no info on fan :( |
| 14:14.44 | spreeuw | you need to make a raid partition to store the slab |
| 14:15.06 | spreeuw | these partitions enable autoconfiguring |
| 14:15.25 | spreeuw | or storing identifying info etc |
| 14:15.42 | spreeuw | then once you create that, add them to an array and have the array up |
| 14:15.54 | spreeuw | then within that array yyou can make partitions for the filesystems |
| 14:16.31 | spreeuw | raid part | softraid | fs part | fs |
| 14:17.56 | asg | Mazingaro: is the 'fan.ko' kernel module installed? 'lsmod | grep fan' |
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| 14:18.12 | Mazingaro | asg: yes, but no /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 14:18.19 | Mazingaro | asg: there's nothing in it |
| 14:18.40 | vchrizz_ | well, ive got many raid partitions to some arrays and created filesystems on them without partitioning them |
| 14:19.16 | vchrizz_ | raid part | softraid | fs |
| 14:20.16 | spreeuw | vchrizz_: true, it works without also |
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| 14:20.43 | vchrizz_ | but where is the difference? |
| 14:20.50 | vchrizz_ | is there any? |
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| 14:20.56 | spreeuw | I think in the kernel detectioon |
| 14:21.21 | asg | Mazingaro: sorry, I'm not sure then. |
| 14:21.22 | spreeuw | and when you want mixed |
| 14:21.36 | spreeuw | and it gives you some flexibility when adding larger disks maybe |
| 14:21.44 | Mazingaro | asg: the device is not listed in acpi devices |
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| 14:24.47 | wwasher | do i read http://packages.debian.org/enlightenment correctly? There is no enlightenment for lenny (testing)? |
| 14:24.52 | asg | Mazingaro: are there any bios settings for power managmement / environmentals? That might be worth checking since, at least on this dell, the fan is controlled independantly of the OS it seems. |
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| 14:25.23 | Mazingaro | asg in bios menus there's no power management entry |
| 14:25.35 | asg | wwasher: yes, it hasn't made it into testing at this point |
| 14:29.33 | Mazingaro | asg: dmesg told me: nsc_ircc_open(), can't get iobase of 02xf8 |
| 14:30.32 | phr3ak | anyone knows why can't disable loading initrd with noinitrd at boot? |
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| 14:31.12 | somebee | what does status 127 mean? Command failed with status (127): [sudo rake install...] |
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| 14:31.34 | wwasher | asg: that would explain why aptitude tells me it is obsolete. there's been a whole bunch obsoleted lately....i haven't been able to figure out why or what happened or what. thanks |
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| 14:32.22 | wwasher | (actually, aptitude annoys me by telling me "what") :) |
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| 14:33.10 | dante_2core | hey guys, I'm trying to compile simple programs using ncurses. now, as "man mousemask" tells me, I can use BUTTON4_PRESSED and so on. that works fine and stuff, but using BUTTON5_PRESSED returns "undeclared function." this is very weird - anyone knows where I have to turn about that? |
| 14:34.00 | chjunior | In my notebook, X seems to be configured in a resolution that is bigger than the real. but the configuration is ok (I think)... the max my notebook can handle is 1280x800, but it seems to be using 1900xSomeThing.... my xorg.conf http://paste.milk-it.net/688 |
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| 14:39.08 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 14:39.24 | wols_ | dante_2core: exact error please |
| 14:39.24 | HardDisk_WP | i need some lightweight, but GUI web browser for a 64MB system^^ |
| 14:39.30 | HardDisk_WP | what's the best choice for me? |
| 14:39.33 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: dillo |
| 14:39.38 | dante_2core | wols_, old.cpp:120: error: âBUTTON5_RELEASEDâ was not declared in this scope |
| 14:39.50 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: but only geek usable. not mom compatible |
| 14:40.02 | wols_ | dante_2core: ##C |
| 14:40.04 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, oh :( |
| 14:40.11 | wols_ | or rather ##C++ |
| 14:40.12 | HardDisk_WP | anythin' mom-usable? |
| 14:40.16 | dante_2core | wols_, thanks then |
| 14:40.21 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: windows98 (seriously |
| 14:40.48 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: you might get lucky with DSL+ffox or such |
| 14:41.15 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, win98 sucks for the one who asked me to turn this laptop into sth. usable |
| 14:41.20 | HardDisk_WP | because he cant use usb sticks |
| 14:41.20 | wols_ | debian X: not so good with that kind of RAM. what CPU in that box? |
| 14:41.25 | asg | HardDisk_WP: you could buy more ram you know, it isn't like it is expensive these days |
| 14:41.27 | HardDisk_WP | stupid drivershit |
| 14:41.44 | HardDisk_WP | asg, ha, find me cheap ram for a notebook built 1998 ^^ |
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| 14:41.55 | chjunior | ? |
| 14:41.56 | chjunior | In my notebook, X seems to be configured in a resolution that is bigger than the real. but the configuration is ok (I think)... the max my notebook can handle is 1280x800, but it seems to be using 1900xSomeThing.... my xorg.conf http://paste.milk-it.net/688 |
| 14:41.57 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, 533mhz intel celeron |
| 14:42.01 | asg | HardDisk_WP: buy a cheap notebook built in 2007 |
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| 14:42.27 | wols_ | ok, that is plenty for ffox. and a notebook with such a cpu should use sodimms. in which case they are cheap |
| 14:42.35 | ivank | anyone know of a mp3 player/mp3 library manager that handles network shares gracefully/ |
| 14:42.36 | HardDisk_WP | ffox==firefox? |
| 14:42.41 | wols_ | asg: 400$ |
| 14:42.44 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: yes |
| 14:42.50 | chjunior | please? |
| 14:42.52 | HardDisk_WP | ivank, VLC should be able to |
| 14:42.54 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: but not in debian. which makes this OT in here |
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| 14:44.11 | HardDisk_WP | asg, well, he only needs a small stupid surf station, so why throw out $400 when you can have it for free^^ |
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| 14:45.03 | wols_ | !tell HardDisk_WP about dsl |
| 14:45.40 | tomfmason | I used partimage to copy an existing debian install to another machine. The old root partition was 10 gigs. When I added it to the new machine I setup the root partition to be 80gigs but df -h shows that I still only have 10 with about 90% of it used. I looked at the partition with gparted(live cd) and tried to resize it but it says the min is 80 gigs.. Any ideas? |
| 14:45.41 | Stealth` | Hi all.. |
| 14:45.53 | Stealth` | I want install a newer ruby-gettext version .. who can help me? :P |
| 14:46.15 | asg | tomfmason: you'll probably need to resize the filesystem |
| 14:46.26 | wols_ | !tell Stealth` about backports |
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| 14:46.42 | asg | HardDisk_WP: oh, then get him a 'Hello Kitty --- my first laptop' |
| 14:47.49 | Stealth` | O_o |
| 14:47.57 | Stealth` | and? |
| 14:48.36 | wols_ | Stealth`: have you looked? |
| 14:49.01 | Stealth` | wols_: yes .. but i think isn`t the answare |
| 14:49.05 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, hmm, ff isn't so slow on it :) |
| 14:49.09 | Stealth` | I have this error: |
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| 14:49.23 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: it will be, the memory usage is the problem |
| 14:49.27 | HardDisk_WP | what is the most lightweight office suite (word, excel) supporting opendocument? |
| 14:49.29 | Stealth` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.42 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: abiword or koffice I guess |
| 14:49.46 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 14:50.09 | wols_ | Stealth`: and I told you where to look, duh! |
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| 14:54.07 | chjunior | anybody? |
| 14:54.09 | chjunior | In my notebook, X seems to be configured in a resolution that is bigger than the real. but the configuration is ok (I think)... the max my notebook can handle is 1280x800, but it seems to be using 1900xSomeThing.... my xorg.conf http://paste.milk-it.net/688 |
| 14:55.26 | somebee | what is a (127) error= |
| 14:55.29 | wols_ | chjunior: is this debian? |
| 14:55.36 | somebee | Command failed with status (127): [sudo rake install...] <- ? |
| 14:55.39 | chjunior | wols_: yes |
| 14:55.42 | wols_ | somebee: context. what are you doing and what is all the output |
| 14:55.52 | wols_ | chjunior: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:56.38 | somebee | wols_: I'm trying to get sudo to include a specific path that I really need sudo to use.. I've asked around and it seems almost imposibble without hackishly adding it? I did this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/50797/comments/9 |
| 14:57.02 | somebee | wols_: and when I try to run stuff I get a (127) error |
| 14:57.12 | somebee | wols_: that is, when I try to do sudo *command* ... |
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| 14:59.32 | buntfalke | is there a way to search for applications only in a specific category? |
| 15:00.01 | buntfalke | like.... "ext" in the category filesystems |
| 15:00.28 | hoxu | !debtags |
| 15:00.28 | dpkg | well, debtags is http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/, or a great system for package searching, or apt-cache show debtags, or the way to go!, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags |
| 15:00.30 | somebee | is there seriously NO known ways to edit the PATH for 'sudo'? |
| 15:00.32 | buntfalke | i do _not_ want to use the curses interface of aptitude, cause all i usually do when i try to use it is break things |
| 15:00.51 | buntfalke | hoxu: thanks |
| 15:00.52 | Bushmills | somebee: are you sure that ubuntu instructions apply to debian? |
| 15:01.12 | Bushmills | somebee: i wouldn't mix the two |
| 15:01.13 | hoxu | buntfalke, then learn to use aptitude properly, duh :p |
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| 15:01.21 | hoxu | buntfalke, it's not that difficult once you get used to it |
| 15:01.22 | somebee | Bushmills: ah, I see |
| 15:01.32 | somebee | Bushmills: didnt see that it was for ubuntu :/ |
| 15:01.49 | buntfalke | hoxu: well - i want to access it from a plain command line. should be possible as well, i guess. i go have a look at debtags |
| 15:02.03 | smacnay | What would cause /usr/bin/X process to max out my cpu? The htop line is: |
| 15:02.07 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.20 | Bushmills | smacnay: some applet |
| 15:02.21 | smacnay | running at 98%. |
| 15:02.26 | smacnay | Bushmills, thanks |
| 15:02.45 | smacnay | Bushmills, now to find out which one... |
| 15:02.53 | Bushmills | smacnay: kill -STOP them |
| 15:03.26 | smacnay | seems it is gdm |
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| 15:04.26 | somebee | anyone has a slightest idea on how to modify the PATH for sudo? |
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| 15:06.11 | wols_ | sampit: it's your X server. what driver? |
| 15:06.16 | wols_ | videocard driver that is |
| 15:06.27 | wols_ | smacnay: ^^ |
| 15:07.29 | asg | somebee: write a wrapper that sets up the correct environment before running the command you want and call the wrapper from sudo |
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| 15:07.43 | cyzie | how do i stop an ip from ssh into my box? or better at all, stop it from accessing at all ? |
| 15:07.54 | somebee | asg: I have done that, but the problem is that I am trying to run some tasks that run sudo ... themselves |
| 15:08.03 | asg | cyzie: iptables, man sshd_config |
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| 15:08.16 | somebee | asg: should it not be possible to do something as trivial(?) as changing the path itself |
| 15:08.27 | cyzie | asg, any quick iptables rule? ;) |
| 15:08.38 | smacnay | wols_, nvidia card - driver is older (non-official from Khensu's site) let me see if there is a number: 100.14.09-1 |
| 15:08.51 | wols_ | smacnay: there is your answer |
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| 15:08.56 | asg | somebee: if you read the sudo manpage, it would be obvious that sudo is very careful about the environment it runs under and that it santizes a lot of information before running commands. |
| 15:09.08 | wols_ | proprietary drivers = all bets are off |
| 15:09.20 | smacnay | wols_, this is a Deb "testing" machine and there have been no nvidia updates - seems I learnt that nvidia is not supported in testing |
| 15:09.27 | asg | cyzie: /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s <bastard ip> --dport 22 -j DROP |
| 15:09.30 | smacnay | wols_, too bad for me |
| 15:09.37 | wols_ | smacnay: there is. simple sid backport |
| 15:09.45 | cyzie | thanks, some bas*ard do stupid logging now |
| 15:09.58 | asg | cyzie: there's also ##iptables or #iptables if you want something more exotic. |
| 15:10.00 | wols_ | debian certainly doesn't help with 3rd party debs especially of nvidia |
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| 15:10.06 | somebee | asg: this is my exact problem (the same app etc) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616698 |
| 15:10.12 | somebee | asg: only im on debian etch |
| 15:10.20 | Bushmills | cyzie: in sshd_conf you can set up AllowUsers - only those are permitted. |
| 15:10.34 | Bushmills | cyzie: and you could use keys instead of passwords too |
| 15:10.36 | chjunior | wols_: sorry for the delay |
| 15:10.42 | chjunior | wols_: the output was |
| 15:10.54 | cyzie | Bushmills, yes, agree that, but i was looking for better alternative like such as 3 times failed login, then block the ip for 15minutes for example. |
| 15:10.57 | jstephenson | What's the reverse of modprobe? |
| 15:10.58 | smacnay | wols_, backport or just grab the three nvidia .debs? |
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| 15:11.06 | chjunior | wols_: ii libc6 2.7-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:11.07 | Bushmills | cyzie: denyhosts |
| 15:11.12 | wols_ | smacnay: I said backport, didn't I? |
| 15:11.31 | drthodt | can anyone help me get my audigy 2 working? alsa is ok, modules loaded, im in the audio group, audio levels are not set to 0 |
| 15:11.32 | wols_ | chjunior: why this "XFDrake" shit then? |
| 15:11.34 | smacnay | wols_, yes, I have never done that and was hoping to avoid it - is there a howto? |
| 15:11.45 | Bushmills | cyzie: does that automatically if multiple failed ssh login attempts are seen |
| 15:11.55 | cyzie | ok |
| 15:12.08 | cyzie | nice to know |
| 15:12.13 | chjunior | wols_: I don't know... I took this conf file (acctually, part of) from the mandriva linux that cames installed on the notebook |
| 15:12.18 | wols_ | !tell smacnay about ssb |
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| 15:12.41 | wols_ | !tell chjunior about drxx |
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| 15:14.31 | chjunior | wols_: the configuration generated by dpkg-configure xorg-server do the same |
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| 15:15.21 | HardDisk_WP | in Xfce, I cant shutdown / reboot |
| 15:15.26 | HardDisk_WP | the buttons are greyed out |
| 15:15.31 | HardDisk_WP | what do I have 2 change? |
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| 15:19.02 | Enverex | Damnit, is 8.5 Cats anywhere in Debian yet? |
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| 15:19.44 | smacnay | wols_, after running the steps in the dpkg message... do I remove the source - I am wondering if all the packages will be moved up to sid rather than just the nvidia packages |
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| 15:20.33 | buntfalke | does aptitude care to keep the debtags index updated? No, right? so i should run debtags update regularly? |
| 15:21.09 | buntfalke | .oO(...debtags is cool...) |
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| 15:22.26 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:22.26 | dpkg | <octoberdan> The story involves alcholl and a bet... but without getting into the messy details, I need to learn B |
| 15:22.49 | HardDisk_WP | Enverex, what? |
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| 15:23.53 | Enverex | HardDisk_WP, I need the 8.5 Catalysts :/ |
| 15:24.19 | th1 | if I've added a custom initscript, what's the correct way to add the symlinks into X.d? |
| 15:24.26 | drthodt | Enverex |
| 15:24.30 | drthodt | i made the debians like an hour ago |
| 15:24.36 | drthodt | want me to dcc? |
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| 15:25.14 | bjwebb | hi |
| 15:25.18 | bjwebb | why is figlet non-free |
| 15:25.23 | Enverex | drthodt, Sure. I tried building and they failed for some reason, can't remember why |
| 15:25.31 | Enverex | drthodt, Erm, 86_64? |
| 15:25.38 | HardDisk_WP | Enverex, ah, radeon drivers |
| 15:25.42 | bjwebb | is it the notify within 30 days clause that causes the problem? |
| 15:25.59 | drthodt | are your unning etch |
| 15:26.00 | drthodt | or what |
| 15:26.24 | Enverex | Sid |
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| 15:26.43 | drthodt | idk if this will work |
| 15:26.58 | Enverex | drthodt, I said I'm on x86_64, i386 ones aren't any use |
| 15:26.58 | drthodt | anyone know public ftp/file hosting w/o registration |
| 15:27.03 | gravity | idk by mbff jill |
| 15:27.06 | drthodt | my bad |
| 15:27.06 | drthodt | hah |
| 15:27.13 | drthodt | but hey |
| 15:27.19 | drthodt | is sid before or after etch |
| 15:27.22 | drthodt | after right |
| 15:27.42 | Enverex | Sid is "Unstable" so much later |
| 15:27.49 | xjunior | I just installed KDE 4.0.80 and logged in there (a brand new .kde4), but the panel is not appearing, can somebody help me? |
| 15:28.40 | drthodt | Enverex, sh ati-driver-installer-8-02-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/sid |
| 15:28.44 | drthodt | you did that? |
| 15:28.55 | Enverex | Yup, it failed |
| 15:29.01 | drthodt | whats your output? |
| 15:29.13 | Enverex | Hrm, I'll go download the drivers again |
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| 15:29.30 | drthodt | I had a hectic morning |
| 15:29.43 | drthodt | new install of etch, xfce, catalyst, then getting my audgiy to work |
| 15:30.01 | th1 | heh |
| 15:30.18 | Enverex | Audigy? That should work off the bat |
| 15:30.22 | Enverex | An X-Fi on the other hand... |
| 15:30.26 | drthodt | didnt |
| 15:30.31 | drthodt | you remind me Enverex |
| 15:30.42 | drthodt | the new fatality audigy card.. why is it in a brick housing WHY |
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| 15:30.56 | drthodt | i quit gaming because of that bs |
| 15:31.02 | th1 | I've had a hectic 24 hours.. transfer all my old raid to a new disk, set up new raid, install debian, get all the services previously running on ubuntu onto my debian.. and not to mention copy 1 tb of data across into the new 4tb array still not finished |
| 15:31.05 | drthodt | "it looks cew" |
| 15:31.45 | drthodt | ive only been using debian a little over a week so eh |
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| 15:32.07 | drthodt | i do like the new gtk mini iso installer, but it didnt work on my system. gui was nice though |
| 15:32.15 | th1 | anyway the server is cool now, with 4tb storage and 2*dual core opteron and 4gb ram |
| 15:32.25 | th1 | and lvm :) |
| 15:32.26 | drthodt | what does it host |
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| 15:32.28 | gkiagia | Enverex: did the build of the ati drivers fail or did fglrx fail to load? |
| 15:32.50 | th1 | drthodt, it's my file server, video server, mythtv server and just-about-anything-else server |
| 15:32.59 | drthodt | oh |
| 15:33.01 | jstephenson | Where am I likely to find the icons of the apps I've got installed? (if they're knocking about as images, that is)? |
| 15:33.03 | drthodt | highly expensive home project? |
| 15:33.10 | Enverex | gkiagia, Build failed |
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| 15:33.15 | drthodt | /usr/share |
| 15:33.33 | gkiagia | Enverex: because I did that 2 days ago and for me it failed to load and I had to patch the kernel to make it work... on linux 2.6.25 x86_64 |
| 15:33.37 | th1 | drthodt, not that expensive:) I've bought the stuff slowly over time. most expensive single thing was the 5 terabyte drives, and even those are under £100 a piece now |
| 15:34.15 | drthodt | my home project is going to be a home coax network |
| 15:34.36 | th1 | my home-theatre project was the most expensive.. |
| 15:34.56 | th1 | based on mythtv of course but 46" HD tv and bose speakers and denon surround amp.. all added up |
| 15:35.12 | drthodt | tru2way is here soon |
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| 15:35.16 | drthodt | so i wont be investing in pc pvr |
| 15:35.40 | th1 | drthodt, well there you are locked in with some provider telling you what you can or can't do ;) |
| 15:35.45 | th1 | I hate that sort of thing |
| 15:35.57 | drthodt | thl |
| 15:36.07 | drthodt | nah it comes alongside a new technology (forget the name) |
| 15:36.12 | drthodt | that lets you take your recordings with you |
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| 15:36.18 | drthodt | in portable devices, view them elsewhere etc |
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| 15:36.25 | th1 | don't tell me it's not DRM crippled |
| 15:36.40 | drthodt | kind of |
| 15:36.44 | drthodt | but not traditional drm |
| 15:36.44 | th1 | there ya go ;) |
| 15:36.48 | th1 | well |
| 15:36.56 | drthodt | idc if its drm |
| 15:36.58 | th1 | my home is proudly DRM free |
| 15:37.01 | drthodt | as long as i can view it where i want |
| 15:37.03 | drthodt | when i want |
| 15:37.27 | drthodt | but |
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| 15:37.46 | drthodt | im holding off because i make my own set-top |
| 15:37.58 | drthodt | cablecards are miraculous |
| 15:38.01 | th1 | I don't actually use a stb |
| 15:38.27 | drthodt | the set-top is going to be built into a distribution hub |
| 15:38.35 | drthodt | making my own, i can take full advantage |
| 15:38.38 | drthodt | using 6 tuners :D |
| 15:38.44 | drthodt | and 2-way compatability |
| 15:38.52 | th1 | i use a small pc with mythfrontend that boots from nfs, but it's not actually in the same room as the TV so I transfer the picture as component with baluns over cat6 cable.. |
| 15:39.05 | th1 | yeah I've got 3 dvb tuners in my server |
| 15:39.12 | drthodt | then transcode any video format into analog hrc and broadcast it back into my home coax |
| 15:39.17 | drthodt | so id ont need any set-tops |
| 15:39.21 | wols_ | smacnay: if you did as the factoid said, only this one package |
| 15:39.32 | wols_ | smacnay: you don't upgrade either, you only get source |
| 15:39.33 | th1 | how do you remote control it? |
| 15:39.41 | drthodt | thl coax is the future not cat6 or fiber :D |
| 15:39.53 | drthodt | i havent worked out the finite details |
| 15:40.01 | th1 | well, we renovated the house last year and so I put lots of cat6 in |
| 15:40.05 | drthodt | just the ability to transcode w/e i want so my tvs tuners can pick it up |
| 15:40.07 | wols_ | drthodt: do at least get money for this PR? |
| 15:40.16 | th1 | and speaker cables and that of course. and coax too ;) |
| 15:40.18 | drthodt | no, this is for home fun |
| 15:40.30 | th1 | but coax is no good for HD |
| 15:40.36 | smacnay | wols_, I seem to need to add an /etc/apt/apt.conf file for this. I am not pinning. I do have an apt.conf.d directory but no apt.conf file |
| 15:40.36 | drthodt | nonsense |
| 15:40.39 | drthodt | why do you say that |
| 15:40.55 | th1 | I haven't come across a way to send a HD signal over coax |
| 15:41.03 | drthodt | atsc? |
| 15:41.08 | wols_ | smacnay: where does it mention that? |
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| 15:41.13 | th1 | yeah that'd work but our stuff in europe doesn't support that |
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| 15:41.22 | th1 | plus it's hard to transmit in atsc from your server :) |
| 15:41.24 | drthodt | europe has its own broadcast hdtv standard |
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| 15:41.38 | th1 | yeah DVB-2 or something but nothing supports it yet |
| 15:41.39 | drthodt | coax is a cable that transmits w/e rf signal you give it |
| 15:41.41 | wols_ | tnsince cable tv here has hdtv, it can be done. maybe not for consumers yet |
| 15:42.04 | drthodt | my cable provider does it |
| 15:42.08 | th1 | drthodt, yeah but if you don't want an STB you have to transmit it uncompressed.. and there a single coax won't give you a HD picture |
| 15:42.17 | smacnay | wols_, I am reading a Howto - I will just follow the dpkg steps. |
| 15:42.19 | drthodt | sure it would |
| 15:42.21 | wols_ | drthodt: you cable provider has multimillion dollar equipment |
| 15:42.24 | th1 | it'll not even give a decent component signal at any reasonable distance |
| 15:42.30 | th1 | that's why I use baluns and cat6 cable |
| 15:42.38 | drthodt | wols the encoder/decoder chips are cheap |
| 15:42.53 | drthodt | i plan on using qam encoding |
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| 15:43.04 | drthodt | qam encoding can push 8-48Gbps over coax |
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| 15:43.07 | th1 | drthodt, you'd be better off doing something like what I've done.. |
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| 15:43.28 | th1 | unless you want to make a product range and mass produce it that is ;) |
| 15:43.41 | drthodt | thl i am thinking masses |
| 15:43.44 | th1 | I'm sure there'd be a market for it with all the coax cables people have to their tv points |
| 15:43.52 | drthodt | qam1024 encoding over coax can do 48Gbps |
| 15:43.56 | drthodt | imagine that im home on cheap coax |
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| 15:44.05 | th1 | yeah |
| 15:44.11 | th1 | but you'd still need a decoder box :) |
| 15:44.17 | dutchfish | i am installing (yet another one) debian gnome system, it chokes on can not find gnome-core, never had that before, what could be causing this? |
| 15:44.20 | drthodt | any docsis modem |
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| 15:44.27 | WarriorSlayer | guys what should i place in my fstab to mount a ntfs-3g partition in iso-8859-1 charset? |
| 15:44.28 | dutchfish | i am debian lenny |
| 15:44.36 | jelly-home | hi lenny |
| 15:44.44 | dutchfish | i am installing debian lenny |
| 15:44.48 | jelly-home | darn |
| 15:44.50 | dutchfish | :) |
| 15:44.53 | farion | i have a problem with my php-installation, i get a "Call to undefined method finfo::close()", but fileinfo is installed (pecl) |
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| 15:45.25 | th1 | WarriorSlayer, iso-8859-1 is already default |
| 15:45.33 | WarriorSlayer | i dont think so man |
| 15:45.39 | WarriorSlayer | because i'm having missing files |
| 15:45.56 | WarriorSlayer | and it's files that have weird chars |
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| 15:46.10 | th1 | WarriorSlayer, try iocharset=iso-8859-1 |
| 15:46.19 | WarriorSlayer | k gonna try \o |
| 15:46.25 | dutchfish | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-core.html what does this mean? i baffled |
| 15:46.27 | th1 | or utf8 which it might also be I guess |
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| 15:47.48 | jelly-home | dutchfish: it means "gnome-core" doesn't exist any more and hasn't for quite some time |
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| 15:48.15 | marsje | Hi all. I'm trying to move my server to new hardware by abusing linux raid to copy the live system to new disks and then putting the disks in the new machine. But since I move from ide to sata my drives will have different names. Also I need grub on my new disk. How do I get my new disk to boot inthe new machine? |
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| 15:48.20 | dutchfish | jelly-home: so on my other lenny systems i can savely remove it? |
| 15:48.31 | jelly-home | dutchfish: http://packages.debian.org/gnome-core |
| 15:49.32 | dutchfish | jelly-home: and this one too? http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/update-notifier/news/20080531T223943Z.html |
| 15:50.00 | jelly-home | dutchfish: sorry, I was wrong. that p.qa.d.o page showed packages built from "gnome-core" source |
| 15:50.18 | jelly-home | !why is gnome-core not in testing |
| 15:50.18 | dpkg | gnome-core is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gnome-core |
| 15:50.19 | dutchfish | jelly-home: i am confused now |
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| 15:50.45 | dutchfish | jelly-home: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnome-core |
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| 15:51.21 | jelly-home | dutchfish: seems that new(er) gnome is in transition from unstable to testing; just wait a couple of days |
| 15:51.27 | dutchfish | jelly-home: is there i new gnome upcoming? |
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| 15:52.28 | dutchfish | jelly-home: can i (for now) pluck the old ones from another machines cache to finish its install? (and put it in its own cache) |
| 15:53.06 | dutchfish | sigh welcome to dep hell |
| 15:53.22 | jelly-home | dutchfish: this is normal for testing |
| 15:53.58 | dutchfish | jelly-home: mm.. yes ... but never was unable to install ... ok lemme check |
| 15:54.01 | smacnay | wols_, does this all need to be done with a debian kernel? |
| 15:54.45 | jelly-home | dutchfish: you probably never tried to install gnome while it was transitioning to a newer version |
| 15:55.01 | smacnay | wols_, I get a "Child process failed" error when following the commands listed. |
| 15:55.07 | dutchfish | jelly-home: yep, worked (just got a cache from another machine) pffhh |
| 15:55.10 | smacnay | ah - drive is full |
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| 15:55.34 | tarzeau | what's a good freedb.org server? |
| 15:56.09 | wols_ | smacnay: what command, paste it |
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| 15:56.46 | smacnay | apt-get build-dep nvidia-kernel-source;apt-get -b source nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:57.04 | smacnay | wols_, this is why the command failed: |
| 15:57.15 | dutchfish | jelly-home: can i later on just update the gnome-desktop-envirenment or do i manually need to get around the dependcies? (its working for now) |
| 15:57.29 | smacnay | wols_, /dev/mapper/debian-root |
| 15:57.29 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.49 | Enverex | gkiagia, http://rafb.net/p/krUJyO79.html |
| 15:57.53 | wols_ | smacnay: you _did_ get nvidia-graphics-drivers? |
| 15:58.44 | smacnay | wols_, I added the apt sources line - ran apt-get update - then the command which showed the drivers being downloaded (about 25 Meg). |
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| 15:59.51 | wols_ | smacnay: which package did you get exactly? |
| 16:01.05 | diepes | ps ax |
| 16:01.17 | gkiagia | Enverex: I think you are missing the x86 version of some library. not sure. I didn't have such a problem, but I had installed the debian packages of fglrx first so you might want to install them to pull the dependencies and then try to build again |
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| 16:01.33 | smacnay | wols_, nvidia-kernel-common |
| 16:01.49 | smacnay | wols_, sorry - nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:02.28 | jelly-home | dutchfish: I guess it'll work normally when all the packages drop into testing |
| 16:02.31 | Enverex | gkiagia, Installing fglrx-driver doesn't pull in anything other than fglrx-glx and souce.. |
| 16:02.58 | dutchfish | jelly-home: yes, i assume so aptitude is happy now at least |
| 16:02.59 | gkiagia | Enverex: w8, I'll check |
| 16:03.08 | wols_ | smacnay: wrong one |
| 16:03.54 | smacnay | wols_, oops |
| 16:04.32 | smacnay | wols_, nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev? |
| 16:04.40 | wols_ | smacnay: neither. I told you above |
| 16:04.51 | smacnay | ok |
| 16:05.10 | smacnay | I will try that but need to find which partition is full and empty it. |
| 16:05.14 | gkiagia | Enverex: try fglrx-glx-ia32 |
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| 16:07.49 | WarriorSlayer | guys how i can change my nautilus to show the folder names with charset iso-8859-1? |
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| 16:09.10 | \amethyst | WarriorSlayer: is your locale a Latin1 or UTF-8 one? |
| 16:09.14 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: FAT or samba drives? |
| 16:09.31 | \amethyst | oh, good point |
| 16:09.41 | WarriorSlayer | my default locale is utf-8 i think |
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| 16:09.47 | WarriorSlayer | is ntfs drives |
| 16:09.49 | wols_ | as it should be |
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| 16:09.53 | WarriorSlayer | ntfs-3g to be exact |
| 16:09.55 | wols_ | then mount them properly |
| 16:10.00 | WarriorSlayer | already done |
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| 16:10.14 | WarriorSlayer | in fstab in the options is locale=pt_BR.iso88591 |
| 16:10.24 | WarriorSlayer | the folders mount properly |
| 16:10.24 | wols_ | the ext3 drives show properly? |
| 16:10.25 | \amethyst | does ntfs-3g support 'iocharset' ? |
| 16:10.30 | WarriorSlayer | but nautilus shows ? in chars |
| 16:10.37 | WarriorSlayer | nope |
| 16:10.39 | WarriorSlayer | just locale i think |
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| 16:10.52 | WarriorSlayer | let me see if ext3 show these charsets |
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| 16:11.08 | WarriorSlayer | yes |
| 16:11.09 | wols_ | ext3 drives show properly? bash shows the same problems with ntfs |
| 16:11.10 | wols_ | ? |
| 16:11.12 | WarriorSlayer | i've created a folder |
| 16:11.19 | WarriorSlayer | with some weird chars |
| 16:11.22 | WarriorSlayer | and shows properly |
| 16:11.29 | \amethyst | WarriorSlayer: I think that's what's supposed to happen |
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| 16:11.48 | \amethyst | WarriorSlayer: you set locale to an iso88591 locale, telling ntfs-3g that you want filenames to appear in latin1 |
| 16:12.00 | \amethyst | WarriorSlayer: but your programs are expecting to see utf-8 filenames |
| 16:12.05 | th1 | does cron use sockets or some other such stuff, that would prevent me from running a separate cron daemon inside a chrooted distro? |
| 16:12.11 | SerajewelKS | c'mon wishbone! what's the story, wishbone!? |
| 16:12.30 | \amethyst | WarriorSlayer: try passing ntfs-3g a UTF-8 locale instead |
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| 16:12.30 | WarriorSlayer | \amethyst, and how i fix that? |
| 16:12.37 | WarriorSlayer | hmm k |
| 16:14.09 | smacnay | wols_, I think my issue is space on whatever partition/dir this stuff is being done in. |
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| 16:14.36 | wols_ | smacnay: you don't have ~100MB free? |
| 16:14.38 | wols_ | nowhere? |
| 16:14.50 | wols_ | the driver isn't a kernel, you know? |
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| 16:17.26 | HopsNBarley | could anybody help me out with package splitting? i'm passing -ppackage to dh_install, and it is using -ppackage-catalog (my second package) and i'm mystified... |
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| 16:17.50 | WarriorSlayer | \amethyst, done man ^^ |
| 16:17.53 | WarriorSlayer | ty very much ^^ |
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| 16:18.07 | WarriorSlayer | anyway anyone knows how to get the compiz on lenny working? |
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| 16:21.42 | deadcat | how do i cut like a min of video from a dvd? |
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| 16:22.03 | HopsNBarley | dh_install is always picking the first package in control. surely i am doing something wrong - that can't be a bug.. |
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| 16:23.34 | amphi | deadcat: you can do it with mplayer -dumpstream |
| 16:24.02 | pozic | How can I mount an iso file without root? |
| 16:25.02 | Enverex | gkiagia, Those are the 32bit compatability files that fglrx installs, not files required to install it |
| 16:25.08 | deadcat | amphi: just straight through a dvd cd? |
| 16:25.28 | deadcat | amphi: the dvd has chapters. |
| 16:25.48 | pozic | I have access to the file, access to the directory where it is going to be mounted, so technically it doesn't need root... |
| 16:25.50 | wols_ | pozic: you can't |
| 16:26.07 | wols_ | pozic: either it's in fstab or you can' |
| 16:26.08 | wols_ | t |
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| 16:26.40 | amphi | deadcat: you specify the start time, and duration or end time, I forget which; man mplayer has the grisly details |
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| 16:26.54 | deadcat | amphi: k |
| 16:27.04 | gkiagia | Enverex: well, I told you I don't know... It was only a guess... maybe someone else on this channel knows |
| 16:27.44 | Enverex | Can anyone figure out why this compile fails? http://rafb.net/p/krUJyO79.html |
| 16:27.49 | amphi | deadcat: see the description of -endpos in man mplayer |
| 16:27.52 | WarriorSlayer | anyone knows how to get the compiz on lenny working? |
| 16:28.01 | deadcat | amphi: k |
| 16:28.20 | pozic | wols_: how should that entry look like? |
| 16:29.23 | pozic | wols_: the only things I can find is mounting specific iso files. Not user-configurable ones. |
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| 16:34.18 | badcfe | how do i find out what debian package is responsable for a given file in my system? |
| 16:34.49 | cusco | dpkg -S /that/file |
| 16:34.49 | dpkg | There is no record of a /that/file package |
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| 16:34.50 | sepski | badcfe, dpkg -S /path/file |
| 16:35.01 | badcfe | sepski: thanks |
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| 16:35.35 | antgel | !tell badcfe -about apt-file |
| 16:35.55 | deadcat | amphi: so i resize the video after i dump it via mplayer using mencoder? |
| 16:37.02 | zxxd | !tell sss -about !tell sss -about !tell |
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| 16:38.08 | PiousMinion | I have a lenny desktop and a lenny server. I'm sharing my home dir, which contains a symlink to / named ROOT, on the server via samba. Everything works fine except for when I browse to ~/ROOT/var/. The "www" directory refuses to be shown even though the permissions are 0775 and my user is the owner of the directory. Ideas? |
| 16:38.53 | dutchfish | !tell PiousMinion about umask |
| 16:39.41 | PiousMinion | dutchfish: I don't see how that applies. |
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| 16:40.20 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: when you say refuses to be shown? |
| 16:40.27 | amphi | deadcat: yeah, scale, crop, or whatever and reëncode stream.dump |
| 16:40.35 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: do you mean you can see the contents of ROOT/var and that www isn't listed there? |
| 16:40.47 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: or that you can see it but when you navigate to it you don't see the comments? |
| 16:40.54 | \amethyst | s/comments/contents/ |
| 16:41.11 | deadcat | amphi: so that would be mencoder? |
| 16:41.12 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: exactly, it isn't listed when I mount the share. In nautilus I can browse to it, but it immediately crashes. |
| 16:41.18 | amphi | deadcat: aye |
| 16:41.24 | deadcat | k |
| 16:41.32 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: can you browse to other subdirectories of var? |
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| 16:41.47 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: yes, with no problems at all. |
| 16:41.58 | PiousMinion | is baffled. |
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| 16:42.08 | maligor | I guess grub decided to move to using uuids by default for root in sid, was a tad annoying when system failed to reboot |
| 16:42.10 | olejorgenb | is it correct that apt does not support user-installed pacakges (non-root) ? |
| 16:42.51 | olejorgenb | it's no per-user dpgk "cache"? |
| 16:42.55 | \amethyst | olejorgenb: not without changing the Dpkg instdir and admindir preference, anyway |
| 16:43.15 | \amethyst | olejorgenb: look for --instdir, --admindir, and --root in the Dpkg manpage |
| 16:43.23 | \amethyst | s/Dpkg/dpkg/ |
| 16:43.35 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: from the command line you can access it fine? |
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| 16:43.40 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: on the server, I mean |
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| 16:44.59 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: sshed in to the server I see no problems reading that dir, it's parent, or it's contents. |
| 16:45.33 | bolt | ...my new american army pants say "made in vietnam" |
| 16:45.38 | bolt | something about that just doesn't seem right |
| 16:46.00 | olejorgenb | \amethyst: hm.. so if I change root to ~, will all dependencies be installed twice? |
| 16:46.04 | olejorgenb | I guess I can check that myself |
| 16:46.04 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: there isn't an entry for /var/www in smb.conf is there? |
| 16:46.20 | \amethyst | olejorgenb: yes, you'll have to install all the dependencies under ~ |
| 16:46.29 | olejorgenb | hm.. that sucks |
| 16:46.49 | \amethyst | olejorgenb: including the base system |
| 16:46.51 | olejorgenb | even if they're installed globally, right? |
| 16:46.54 | \amethyst | olejorgenb: right |
| 16:47.05 | \amethyst | olejorgenb: because you're using a completely different list of installed packages |
| 16:47.11 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: no entry smb.conf other than the one for homes. What is really weird is reading the dir in nautilus crashes it immediately, but it has no problems at all reading the contents of of of it's subdirs. |
| 16:47.20 | olejorgenb | yeah, that's what I though |
| 16:47.22 | olejorgenb | t |
| 16:47.31 | PiousMinion | s/of/one |
| 16:47.38 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: anything weird in /var/www ? |
| 16:47.53 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: it's not a symlink itself is it? |
| 16:48.17 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: nope, just a few files and folders. no symlinks |
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| 16:50.01 | dutchfish | PiousMinion: is /var/ww in a different partition? |
| 16:50.23 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: and none of those files have weird permissions like ?... |
| 16:50.23 | PiousMinion | dutchfish: nope. it's all on one partition. |
| 16:51.39 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: no strange perms from what I can see. |
| 16:51.59 | dutchfish | PiousMinion: installed selinux or simular? |
| 16:52.25 | PiousMinion | dutchfish: not unless its part of the lenny base system. :P |
| 16:53.01 | PiousMinion | I have a base system with samba, apache, php, ssh, and a few small utils. nothing special. |
| 16:53.07 | deadcat | amphi: i guess i am just stupid, but i cant get it to dump via mplayer. it dumps. but the -ss and -endpos doesnt seem to work. it just starts from the beginning of the chapter and keeps going till i run out of space.. i just want 10 sec starting from minute :00:35:00 |
| 16:53.07 | dutchfish | PiousMinion: coudl you pastebin your smb.conf ? |
| 16:53.20 | PiousMinion | dutchfish: sure thing. one moment. |
| 16:54.41 | amphi | deadcat: it's long since I've done it - perhaps you need to use mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -ss 00:35:00 ... |
| 16:55.11 | amphi | deadcat: that would give you the snippet ready for encoding; or you could do it all in one command |
| 16:55.38 | deadcat | amphi: let me give it a try |
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| 16:57.34 | yoanis | hi there |
| 16:57.35 | PiousMinion | \amethyst, dutchfish: I think I found my problem. The smb.conf I see via the share and the smb.conf I see via ssh do not match. It appears the symlink on the share that points to /.... is pointing to / locally. *smacks forehead* |
| 16:57.49 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: aha |
| 16:57.53 | dutchfish | PiousMinion: ;) |
| 16:57.55 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: just the symlink is shared |
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| 16:58.17 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: you might be able to get by with a bind mount instead of a symlink, then (it's the closest thing Linux has to directory hard links) |
| 16:59.00 | yoanis | i've a Dell Power Edge server with a SAS 6/iR RAID controller and would like to know if it possible to get this hardware working with Debian? |
| 16:59.00 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: or I could disable cifs. :P |
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| 16:59.09 | dutchfish | PiousMinion: another thing that baffled me, when your script locks up files, samba will crash, i use nfs nowadays (just a tip) |
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| 17:00.18 | PiousMinion | dutchfish: Evidently this situation confuses nautilus and it crashes so I've narrowed down that bug at least. |
| 17:00.27 | deadcat | amphi: thanks. that seems to work. i guess i just have to dump the entire thing then 10 sec... )= |
| 17:00.36 | dutchfish | PiousMinion: ok |
| 17:00.57 | V4Nelle | guys there is any way to remove all removed apps' configs?like complete remove but after simple remove of packages? |
| 17:01.41 | dutchfish | !tell V4Nelle about purge |
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| 17:02.07 | myosound | hi guys, what solutions do you guys use to view your local web servers from another local machine? |
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| 17:02.49 | vlad | hi people |
| 17:03.00 | dutchfish | myosound: monitoring or fileaccess? |
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| 17:03.24 | vlad | im noob on debian, i want to know how can i mount other partitions that are in ntfs, so i can acces to read/write |
| 17:03.48 | dutchfish | !tell vlad about ntfs3g |
| 17:03.51 | fengor | hmm is nvidia-kernel-source not in lenny? |
| 17:04.04 | myosound | dutchfish: access |
| 17:04.36 | dutchfish | myosound: i prefer nfs but there are a myriade of possibilities |
| 17:05.07 | myosound | dutchfish: ah, this is for viewing apache sites |
| 17:05.15 | myosound | sorry I'm tired and unclear :) |
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| 17:06.08 | Mundus | fengor: Nope, it's in etch and sid |
| 17:06.10 | myosound | I have apache setup for virtual hosting. it works from the internet but not from the lan |
| 17:06.14 | Mundus | And sarge |
| 17:06.22 | myosound | dns doesn't resolve I'm guessing (?) |
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| 17:07.27 | fengor | Mundus: is there a special reason for it? |
| 17:07.32 | dutchfish | myosound: if you are talking about just a few sites add those to the /etc/hosts with your internal ip adress of your webserver |
| 17:07.37 | Mundus | Not that I know of |
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| 17:08.03 | fengor | so what is the prefere |
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| 17:08.14 | dutchfish | myosound: presuming you are doing virtual name based |
| 17:08.15 | Mundus | I'm not a fan of testing anyway, the only reason why I'm using it is because etch doesn't install with my chipset |
| 17:08.19 | Enverex | Can anyone figure out why this compile fails? http://rafb.net/p/krUJyO79.html |
| 17:08.20 | fengor | preferred way to get nvidia driver in lenny? backport or use the nvidia installer? |
| 17:08.37 | Mundus | !tell fengor about nvidia |
| 17:08.37 | farreres | which was the name of the package builder, the one that creates a .deb from a source package? |
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| 17:09.15 | fengor | i know that mundus. but the nvidia_post_etch doesnt work for me on accoutn of nvidia kernel source not being in lenny |
| 17:09.24 | amphi | deadcat: no need to dump the whole thing; you can do mencoder dvd:// -oac copy -ovc copy -ss blah ... |
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| 17:10.25 | dutchfish | myosound: if you have many install a dns server in your lan with split vieuws |
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| 17:10.50 | myosound | dutchfish: very cool thanks |
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| 17:10.51 | Mundus | fengor: I think I used the source from the etch repo |
| 17:11.07 | fengor | ok thanks mundus going to try that |
| 17:11.18 | myosound | dutchfish: entries in hosts files work, but yes I have a few other machines too |
| 17:11.22 | Mundus | I don't know if that's recommended, so I'd ask somebody else first |
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| 17:12.14 | farreres | is it dpkg-buildpackage the one that compiles a src directory and builds a .deb file? |
| 17:12.15 | myosound | dutchfish: so maybe I just have to decide whether I want to update everyones hosts files, or run a dns server :) |
| 17:13.14 | dutchfish | exit |
| 17:13.17 | dutchfish | oops |
| 17:13.43 | myosound | dutchfish: thanks for the help |
| 17:13.56 | dutchfish | myosound: yw |
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| 17:16.49 | vlad | thx ppl im going to install debian again and try, thx dutchfish |
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| 17:22.07 | netdaemon | !ping |
| 17:22.07 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:22.16 | netdaemon | dead for this time of day |
| 17:22.56 | grand_grunt | ping netdaemon |
| 17:23.08 | netdaemon | pong grand_grunt |
| 17:23.24 | grand_grunt | :) |
| 17:23.31 | netdaemon | kde4 is pretty stable now |
| 17:23.36 | netdaemon | i'm impressed |
| 17:23.46 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: Cool when it's dead, that means all Debian are running well |
| 17:23.47 | netdaemon | may switch to it fulltime on my desktop |
| 17:23.50 | maligor | you mean 4.1 or 4.0? |
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| 17:24.08 | netdaemon | maligor: whichever is in experimental, so i'm thinking 4.1 beta 1 |
| 17:24.22 | maligor | netdaemon, yeah, I've been following it too, pretty nice |
| 17:24.33 | netdaemon | kopete has been making me a little mad, but thats it |
| 17:24.39 | netdaemon | and a few rendering issues in konqueror |
| 17:25.06 | netdaemon | i tell kopete not to display a popup for incomming messages and it still does |
| 17:25.17 | netdaemon | even went so far as to disable the message que alltogether |
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| 17:25.24 | Superbartt | !repo cgiirc |
| 17:25.29 | maligor | I especially liked it how they made the panels actually usable :P |
| 17:25.30 | Superbartt | !package cgiirc |
| 17:25.53 | dutchfish | !info cgiirc |
| 17:25.56 | netdaemon | maligor: i'd like them to be vertically resizable but that'll probably come with time |
| 17:26.01 | maligor | and the plasma theming |
| 17:26.01 | netdaemon | i'm pretty patient and forgiving |
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| 17:26.14 | dpkg | cgiirc: (web based irc client), section net, is extra. Version: 0.5.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 127 kB, Installed size: 840 kB |
| 17:26.16 | maligor | netdaemon, err.. it is |
| 17:26.21 | netdaemon | eh? |
| 17:26.26 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: Strange, I see version "47" for KDE, on my Desktop |
| 17:26.34 | netdaemon | hasn't seen it >_> |
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| 17:26.50 | maligor | horizontal and vertical adjustment works |
| 17:26.54 | maligor | albeit a bit buggily |
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| 17:27.13 | maligor | just resize it as you would a normal window :P |
| 17:27.28 | maligor | when you have the panel configuration thing open |
| 17:27.52 | netdaemon | grand_grunt: 4.0.80-1 here |
| 17:28.14 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: How do you see the KDE version through ssh? |
| 17:28.31 | netdaemon | grand_grunt: aptitude show kdebase -t experimental |
| 17:28.41 | netdaemon | that is if you recently updated |
| 17:28.42 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: got Etch |
| 17:29.16 | badcfe | i intend creating a debian package .. any one has a good howto to recomend. its a pretty simple tool wich will be written in C |
| 17:29.17 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: "4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2" |
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| 17:29.32 | netdaemon | you have 3.5.5a then |
| 17:29.42 | netdaemon | if you used the etch packages |
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| 17:29.58 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: I'll wait for KDE 4 to be in Etch, don't want to break my Etch |
| 17:30.11 | netdaemon | grand_grunt: understandable =) |
| 17:30.32 | Quinha | Alguem ai fala portugues |
| 17:30.34 | netdaemon | i tend to like a recently up to date system for my desktop so sid it is |
| 17:30.41 | dutchfish | !pt |
| 17:30.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 17:30.44 | netdaemon | servers, etch |
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| 17:31.22 | abrotman | grand_grunt: it will never be in etch |
| 17:31.42 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: servers AND desktop, stable. for me (I'm not enough good to use something else that stable) |
| 17:32.05 | grand_grunt | abrotman: Not in Etch, but in stable. |
| 17:32.19 | netdaemon | there are talks for 4.1 to be in lenny release |
| 17:32.21 | netdaemon | we |
| 17:32.24 | netdaemon | we'll see how that goes |
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| 17:32.47 | dutchfish | abrotman: ah .. you spoiled the fun ... just wanted him to tell about bpo |
| 17:32.58 | abrotman | i don't think kde4 is there either |
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| 17:33.26 | dutchfish | abrotman: maybe it will in there some day ;) |
| 17:33.35 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 17:34.19 | netdaemon | still have until sometime in july before it gets stable, and i'm not sure when lenny is to be released |
| 17:34.25 | netdaemon | when it's ready i assume :P |
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| 17:34.54 | yitz_ | Where can I get fsck.vfat / dosfsck / msdosfsck ? |
| 17:35.02 | jelly-home | !lenny pool |
| 17:35.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 17:35.46 | yitz_ | Does that apply if I'm running etch? |
| 17:35.57 | jelly-home | eh, that's not for you |
| 17:36.15 | yitz_ | Oh. Oops. Sorry :) |
| 17:36.46 | netdaemon | yitz_: dosfstools |
| 17:37.27 | yitz_ | genuflects (whatever that means) and kisses netdaemon's feet/toes. |
| 17:37.40 | abrotman | !tell yitz_ about search |
| 17:38.11 | rgr | !tell rgr about dpkg |
| 17:38.16 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: If I update and upgrade after that Lenny will have become stable, my Etch will upgrade to Lenny 'without' trouble? (got "stable" in sourcelist) |
| 17:38.30 | abrotman | !tell rgr about selftell |
| 17:38.43 | yitz_ | !tell me about making my first million |
| 17:38.44 | abrotman | grand_grunt: that's the idea |
| 17:38.49 | netdaemon | grand_grunt: theoretically |
| 17:38.55 | netdaemon | grand_grunt: i'd still do backups beforehand |
| 17:39.09 | yitz_ | tell/dpkg is overrated. Can't even make me money... |
| 17:39.59 | grand_grunt | netdaemon: theoretically, I'll have not to backup /home.. what to backup? /etc for conf files? |
| 17:40.17 | Bushmills | grand_grunt: extremely likely |
| 17:40.46 | grand_grunt | will backup all / on DVDs to be quiet |
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| 17:41.13 | wald0 | how does debian to configure the graphical system if the configurations are almost plain ? |
| 17:41.38 | Bushmills | grand_grunt: have backups anyway. not just because dist upgrade. your hard disk could break. or your computer get stolen. or your house burn down. |
| 17:41.47 | abrotman | Xorg guesses/probes a lot AIUI |
| 17:42.17 | netdaemon | grand_grunt: anything you deem important, configurations that you modified yourself, etc |
| 17:42.21 | netdaemon | your data |
| 17:42.28 | Bushmills | where the work is |
| 17:42.39 | Bushmills | or the money :) |
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| 17:43.21 | sauvin | "There is no sincerer love than the love of food." (George Bernard Shaw) |
| 17:43.38 | yitz_ | :heart: dosfsck! |
| 17:43.46 | Bushmills | hmm... wasn't he quite fond of alcohol? |
| 17:44.04 | kanzure | Is dcop deprecated? |
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| 17:44.36 | Bushmills | no, not that i know - only, it is a kde-ism, not relevant to the rest of the world |
| 17:44.42 | wald0 | abrotman: what you mean ? what i experience is that a lot of things doesnt works with these plain configurations |
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| 17:45.06 | abrotman | then make your own |
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| 17:46.21 | sauvin | I've heard that while dcop may not yet be deprecated, it soon will be. I believe KDE4 won't use it much. |
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| 17:49.03 | wald0 | abrotman: i don't have problems with that, im just worried about the installer of debian that doesn't do a correct configuration of the graphical system, i have experienced so far: problems in resolutions, no touchpad working like a touchpad, no 3d acceleration, etc |
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| 17:49.28 | abrotman | wald0: perhaps you'd like a more "automatic" distro |
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| 17:50.05 | wald0 | abrotman: debconf for xorg doesn't do anything |
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| 17:50.15 | lindenle1 | !tell me about openafs |
| 17:50.24 | wald0 | abrotman: the plans are that all these things can works "out of the box" then ? |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | wald0: in debian? |
| 17:51.08 | valdyn | wald0: Xorg detects those settings automagically, xorg.conf is supposed to be pletty small |
| 17:51.36 | valdyn | wald0: if you dont have 3D accel your hardware is either not supported or you dont have the required packages installed |
| 17:51.36 | lindenle1 | abrotman: oops sorry |
| 17:51.49 | lindenle1 | Does anyone have a wiki page for setting up openafs in debian? |
| 17:52.07 | dondelelcaro | wald0: any code that would have gone into the debconf auto-configurator really belongs in the auto-configurator of xorg |
| 17:52.21 | claint | lindenle1 : i got one if you are gonna fill it in |
| 17:52.23 | dondelelcaro | wald0: in general, it works quite well in conjunction with xrandr, et al. |
| 17:52.33 | wald0 | valdyn: aparently is because i don't have the "dri 0666" option added to the xorg |
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| 17:53.18 | valdyn | wald0: nope |
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| 17:53.48 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: valdyn: well, my experiences on differents computers are that: fglrx no 3d, synaptics not works at all, bad resolutiosn... i hope that they can work better in the future because now its not very good :( |
| 17:53.53 | dutchfish | lindenle1: openafs-doc |
| 17:54.10 | dondelelcaro | wald0: using which versions of Debian? |
| 17:54.17 | abrotman | and which VGA card? |
| 17:54.23 | wald0 | valdyn: i have needed to do "chown root:video /dev/dri/*" in order to have 3d working, maybe i need just the "dri" option to the xorg |
| 17:54.30 | wald0 | dondelelcaro: last lenny |
| 17:54.41 | wald0 | misc computers |
| 17:54.43 | valdyn | geez, dont mess with permissions |
| 17:55.01 | wald0 | valdyn: its the only way that i have found to made 3d working in fglrx ;) |
| 17:55.24 | dutchfish | wald0: dont (not needed) |
| 17:55.35 | valdyn | wald0: contenst of /dev/dri/ are root:video by default already in debian |
| 17:56.09 | wald0 | valdyn: there and a friend in #debian-es are root:root, no root:video |
| 17:56.17 | wald0 | who assigns this permission ? |
| 17:56.22 | valdyn | wald0: udev |
| 17:56.27 | abrotman | mine are root:video in lenny |
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| 17:56.50 | lindenle1 | dutchfish thx |
| 17:57.19 | wald0 | strange... you use flgrx from debian packages too, abrotman ? |
| 17:57.33 | abrotman | no |
| 17:57.45 | wald0 | maybe is a bug on these packages then |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | wald0: how did you install the fglrx driver? |
| 17:57.51 | netdaemon | does Xorg have memory leaks often? |
| 17:57.54 | wald0 | abrotman: debian fglrx packages |
| 17:57.57 | valdyn | netdaemon: no |
| 17:58.04 | valdyn | netdaemon: why do you think it leaks? |
| 17:58.20 | yitz_ | Is "fsck -t vfat" and "dosfsck" the same? |
| 17:58.22 | netdaemon | was using a but load of my ram until i shut it down |
| 17:58.28 | netdaemon | started it up again its fine |
| 17:58.43 | netdaemon | s/but/butt |
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| 17:59.19 | valdyn | netdaemon: ram usage that you see as used by X for the most part ram that X only allocates to serve applications |
| 17:59.34 | maligor | netdaemon, it might be linked to using beta versions of kde :P |
| 17:59.43 | netdaemon | maligor: true, hehe |
| 17:59.49 | valdyn | netdaemon: see also "xrestop" to tell what is causing the ram usage in X |
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| 18:00.04 | netdaemon | i have plenty of ram to spare, i'm just wondering what was eating so much of it |
| 18:00.22 | valdyn | netdaemon: webbrowsers with alot of open tabs |
| 18:00.43 | netdaemon | valdyn: none open, only a screen session and kopete |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | netdaemon: see xrestop, next time X is using up alot of ram |
| 18:01.29 | wald0 | abrotman: im not expert of udev, but looking at the sources of the debian package, seems like the rules for "frugalware" has the owner and group permissions set correctly, but not on the debian rules |
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| 18:01.42 | wald0 | valdyn: ^^ |
| 18:01.49 | netdaemon | hrm |
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| 18:02.56 | valdyn | wald0: permissions.d/udev.permissions:dri/card[0-9]*:root:video:0660 |
| 18:03.14 | valdyn | wald0: you are seeing something else? |
| 18:03.46 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, i have apt-get source udev, and looking the file etc/udev/debian/udev.rules |
| 18:04.03 | valdyn | wald0: i have no idea why you think that that file is relevant |
| 18:04.18 | wald0 | valdyn: like i say, im not an expert of udev :) |
| 18:04.41 | dutchfish | wald0: maybe you want to look at /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy ? |
| 18:05.01 | wald0 | valdyn: i don't have it on this udev.. which version you are looking for ? 0.114 there |
| 18:05.05 | valdyn | maybe hes not using debian |
| 18:05.09 | netdaemon | valdyn: plasma |
| 18:05.10 | netdaemon | lol |
| 18:05.32 | netdaemon | thought kde4 was supposed to use less resources |
| 18:06.03 | grand_grunt | Bushmills: I'll do a RAID when of these day, to be quiet in case of HD failure |
| 18:06.14 | lindenle1 | claint: I could now |
| 18:06.15 | Bushmills | grand_grunt: raid is not a backup |
| 18:06.17 | valdyn | well, bitmaps have to be stored *somewhere* |
| 18:06.27 | wald0 | valdyn: you are on testing, right ? |
| 18:06.38 | Bushmills | grand_grunt: raid is for hardware redundancy |
| 18:06.40 | valdyn | wald0: no |
| 18:06.59 | wald0 | valdyn: unstable ? |
| 18:07.01 | grand_grunt | Bushmills: raid is a good way to secure datas |
| 18:07.03 | valdyn | wald0: no |
| 18:07.09 | wald0 | arf, stable ? |
| 18:07.21 | abrotman | does it matter? |
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| 18:07.28 | Bushmills | but won't help with corruption. erroneously overwriting files, or stupid deletions, |
| 18:07.40 | wald0 | i think so... different version of udev = possible different configuration |
| 18:07.57 | wald0 | like i say, on the version 0.114 of udev in debian, these permission aren't set |
| 18:08.10 | abrotman | i have lenny .. my udev works fine |
| 18:08.14 | valdyn | wald0: grep -iR dri/card /etc/udev/* |
| 18:08.18 | abrotman | you're ignoring valdyn's questions |
| 18:08.20 | grand_grunt | Bushmills: right, I'll think about it.. more datas die because of user, than because of hardware. |
| 18:08.41 | wald0 | which question abrotman ? |
| 18:09.22 | valdyn | im being to cryptic? |
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| 18:09.46 | valdyn | wald0: you run "grep -iR dri/card /etc/udev/*" and compare the output with "permissions.d/udev.permissions:dri/card[0-9]*:root:video:0660" |
| 18:10.18 | wald0 | valdyn: no results |
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| 18:10.58 | valdyn | wald0: run: "ls -l /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions" |
| 18:11.03 | Enverex | Can anyone figure out why this compile fails? http://rafb.net/p/krUJyO79.html |
| 18:11.04 | abrotman | udev.rules:KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", NAME="dri/%k" |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | is what mine has |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | rules.d/udev.rules:KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", NAME="dri/%k" |
| 18:11.20 | abrotman | or that |
| 18:11.38 | wald0 | valdyn: instead of this directory i have: /etc/udev/permissions.rules |
| 18:11.42 | wald0 | file |
| 18:11.44 | valdyn | ah |
| 18:11.53 | valdyn | i got a testing box now |
| 18:12.06 | dutchfish | valdyn: i have no /etc/udev/permissions.d/ on amd64 lenny |
| 18:12.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: yes, thats right. |
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| 18:14.07 | wald0 | i wonder why these permissions are removed from udev... |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | mine are there |
| 18:14.19 | valdyn | wald0: i cant see where lenny sets the permissions |
| 18:14.24 | wald0 | abrotman: in which version of udev ? |
| 18:14.25 | valdyn | wald0: but i can see that they are fine. |
| 18:14.32 | abrotman | the current one in lenny |
| 18:14.33 | badcfe | where do i find the possible text i can place in Section: in a control file of a debian package? |
| 18:14.41 | abrotman | ii udev 0.114-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 18:14.43 | netdaemon | anyone know the dpkg-reconfigure command to set default home folder permisions? |
| 18:14.44 | dutchfish | wald0: maybe you want to look at /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy ? |
| 18:15.17 | wald0 | dutchfish: you think that these permissions are set to this file instead by udev ? |
| 18:15.37 | valdyn | wald0: no |
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| 18:16.17 | dutchfish | wald0: those match up with /etc/udev/permissions.rules (if i am not mistaken, correct me otherwise) |
| 18:16.23 | netdaemon | found it |
| 18:16.45 | valdyn | wald0: they are set here: 'permissions.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="drm",GROUP="video" ' |
| 18:17.05 | wald0 | dutchfish: i have read the full file and dont' seems to be anything about this on it |
| 18:17.23 | valdyn | wald0: now if you arent using the fglrx debian packages there might be issues i could imagine |
| 18:17.30 | dutchfish | wald0: folloow valdyn (i am not the expert) |
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| 18:17.44 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, im using these packages, builded yesterday |
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| 18:18.32 | abrotman | wald0: grep -R card /etc/udev/* .. do you get any results |
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| 18:19.14 | sseb | hi all |
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| 18:21.06 | mechanist | hy to all |
| 18:21.35 | wald0 | abrotman: i have 3 results, all of these with only: KERNEL=="card[0-9]*", NAME="dri/%k" |
| 18:21.37 | mechanist | I have debian under virtual machine, reinstalling the VM i was not able more to connect to internet |
| 18:21.42 | wald0 | nothing about permissions (group or owner) |
| 18:22.02 | Mazingaro | sfaccimme |
| 18:22.06 | mechanist | I would like to know where I can check the net settings |
| 18:22.08 | valdyn | wald0: i already showed you where it is |
| 18:22.37 | valdyn | wald0: questions remains how/if udev knows that fglrx belongs to the drm Subsystem |
| 18:23.02 | mechanist | mazingaro sei italiano come me, potresti aiutarmi? |
| 18:23.04 | valdyn | abrotman: not using fglrx, are you? |
| 18:23.10 | wald0 | valdyn: so, you are saying that fglrx should use now drm instead of dri ? |
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| 18:23.21 | valdyn | wald0: no |
| 18:23.30 | Mazingaro | mechanist: ci provo, dimmi |
| 18:23.33 | mechanist | :P |
| 18:23.42 | mechanist | si puo parlare in query in sta rete? |
| 18:23.55 | Mazingaro | parla qui sopra in inglese |
| 18:23.59 | valdyn | wald0: rules.d/020_permissions.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="drm",GROUP="video" <- that rule assigns members the the "SUBSYSTEM" "drm" the group "video" |
| 18:24.00 | abrotman | valdyn: hell no .. that'd be silly |
| 18:24.42 | wald0 | valdyn: yes, but fglrx should use dri there, no drm |
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| 18:25.01 | mechanist | eh ma e' un casino :P beh saro breve: ho la debian che gira sotto virtual machine, oggi la VM mi ha chiesto di scaricare la nuova versione del player, io l'ho fatto e l'ho installata, sol oche ora la debian che mi gira su VM non mi entra piu in internet.. volevo sapere dove devo andare a vedere i settaggi di rete |
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| 18:25.16 | mechanist | sorry for the not italian people |
| 18:25.21 | wald0 | i mean, /dev/dri/card*, no /dev/drm/card* |
| 18:25.38 | valdyn | wald0: dri and drm are 2 parts of the same system |
| 18:26.49 | jstephenson | Can't get any sound out of Iceweasel/Flash player atm unfortunately. Seems to be a fairly common issue but haven't found a solution as yet - anyone got anything that might work? |
| 18:26.52 | Mazingaro | mechanist: /etc/network per la scheda di rete, /etc/resolv.conf per i nomi |
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| 18:27.25 | mechanist | ok grazie ora provo :D |
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| 18:28.34 | somebee | hmm, how can I make umask avaiable to sudo in debian etch? |
| 18:29.37 | valdyn | wald0: quit X, run udevmonitor as root, reload the fglrx module, see if you get messages |
| 18:29.49 | valdyn | wald0: or just file a bug report, i guess |
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| 18:30.17 | wols_ | jstephenson: is OSS emulation loaded? if yes, run firefox from a xterm and see if something is output tere |
| 18:30.59 | m-c | about how large of partitions should I provision for debian ? I have lots of space, so no need to be conservative. |
| 18:31.01 | valdyn | jstephenson: flash 10 supports alsa directly, but thats only beta yet |
| 18:31.15 | valdyn | m-c: 20G |
| 18:31.48 | WarriorSlayer | anyone managed to get compiz working on debian lenny/sid with nvidia? |
| 18:31.50 | phogg | valdyn: can you comment on the stability of the flash 10 beta? |
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| 18:32.13 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: are the nvidia drivers working? |
| 18:32.32 | somebee | sudo: umask: command not found <- anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 18:32.34 | valdyn | phogg: not really, i have a pretty "special" environment making me use it, youtube works |
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| 18:32.36 | WarriorSlayer | wols_, yep |
| 18:32.39 | WarriorSlayer | when i start X |
| 18:32.43 | WarriorSlayer | appears nvidia logo |
| 18:32.48 | wols_ | !enter |
| 18:32.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 18:32.52 | claint | m-c: how much space and how many disks? |
| 18:32.58 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: glxinfo |
| 18:33.05 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: glxinfo |grep -i direct |
| 18:33.06 | indio | Where can I see a list of the packages I installed with apt-get myself ? |
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| 18:33.13 | abrotman | !installed |
| 18:33.14 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 18:33.22 | WarriorSlayer | direct rendering: Yes |
| 18:33.37 | abrotman | Asterisk2: do NOT msg me |
| 18:33.49 | Asterisk2 | ok |
| 18:33.57 | abrotman | Asterisk2: i'm not going to answer you in /msg |
| 18:34.01 | Asterisk2 | why i can join to asterisk channel ? |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | ask them .. not us |
| 18:34.19 | Asterisk2 | You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 18:34.20 | WarriorSlayer | wols_, the problem is when i go compiz --replace, and sets starting gtk-window-manager the windows lost borders and titlebars |
| 18:34.25 | WarriorSlayer | and no effects either |
| 18:34.27 | Asterisk2 | who can i identified my self |
| 18:34.27 | abrotman | then identify .. /msg nickserv help |
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| 18:34.53 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: #compiz-fusion |
| 18:34.59 | WarriorSlayer | ty ^^ |
| 18:35.30 | wols_ | WarriorSlayer: compiz-gnome install that too |
| 18:35.41 | mechanist | ok grazie mille Mazingaro :-) |
| 18:35.42 | WarriorSlayer | wols_, already installed :/ |
| 18:36.31 | Mazingaro | mechanist: tiette le grazie e damme le mille |
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| 18:37.35 | indio | abrotman: I would like to know those packages I manually installed. |
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| 18:38.10 | indio | apt-get install cowsay |
| 18:38.15 | indio | etc |
| 18:38.20 | indio | Only those. |
| 18:38.29 | claint | indio: he gave you that. |
| 18:38.39 | deadlyallance703 | what is a good debian based distro for makeing a router out of a pc ? |
| 18:38.52 | abrotman | debian |
| 18:39.14 | wald0 | valdyn: curious, im talking with 2 friends, both with the same version of udev, one uses Intel graphic card and has the right permissions, the other one uses fglrx and doesn't have it (so, root:root) |
| 18:40.05 | dutchfish | wald0: what video card are you using? |
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| 18:40.44 | wald0 | dutchfish: me personally ? nvidia, i don't have the problem myself, and i don't have /dev/dri |
| 18:41.06 | dutchfish | wald0: i meant the one with the root:root quirck |
| 18:41.14 | wald0 | dutchfish: its my friend that has fglrx and has this bad working, and its the second person with fglrx that has the same issue |
| 18:41.19 | wald0 | fglrx |
| 18:41.30 | indio | claint: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' |
| 18:41.38 | wols_ | wald0: where did he get his fglrx from? |
| 18:41.40 | indio | Is that command alright? |
| 18:41.51 | claint | indio : no the second one. but i guess you don't use aptitude |
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| 18:42.22 | indio | But it listed a lot of packages I did not install. |
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| 18:42.35 | indio | I think they are dependencies. |
| 18:42.36 | claint | i noticed it because i had another version of it, and i liked the new one better |
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| 18:43.18 | claint | indio: when you setup your system, all those packages get marked as manually installed. |
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| 18:43.38 | indio | claint: I see. Thanks. |
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| 18:44.47 | claint | indio: somebody correct me if i am wrong, but i think you need to use aptitude if you really want to differentiate between manually and automatic installed packages, |
| 18:45.00 | badcfe | where do i find the possible text i can place in Section: in a control file of a debian package? |
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| 18:46.27 | dutchfish | badcfe: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 18:46.27 | claint | badcfe: debian maintainer's guide doesn't have it? |
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| 18:47.07 | jstephenson | wols_: 'ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave' spammed over and over from FF |
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| 18:47.59 | wols_ | dmix is misconfigured it seems |
| 18:48.12 | wols_ | no clue why but at least now you know what's wrong and what you can google for |
| 18:49.03 | alcohol | I want to install something from lenny, but I'm running etch (so it doesn't show up using apt-get install). How could I get it to use the repo just once without having to add it to the config? |
| 18:49.29 | wols_ | !tell alcohol about simple sid backport |
| 18:49.44 | wols_ | this works for lenny->etch too |
| 18:50.22 | alcohol | Ok |
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| 18:51.03 | m-c | claint: regarding disk space for debian, I have two disks, 54 GB available on each one. I am just doing a basic debian install for packaging, so I would like to keep it small, but roomy. |
| 18:51.27 | wols_ | m-c: ~5GB |
| 18:51.29 | spreeuw | space enough |
| 18:51.33 | m-c | I probably will do multiple installs, one for stable, one for testing, at least |
| 18:51.35 | alcohol | what would be the source line for lenny? |
| 18:51.43 | m-c | okay, thanks so much, guys. |
| 18:52.00 | wols_ | !tell alcohol about sources.list |
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| 18:52.19 | claint | m-c: if they are same size disks, you could make yourself a soft-raid1 with those two disks. |
| 18:52.37 | m-c | that's what I was using them for before - but I need to do some debian packaging |
| 18:53.35 | alcohol | wols_: would "deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" be enough? |
| 18:54.02 | alcohol | I want to install http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/libapache2-mod-evasive |
| 18:54.51 | claint | m-c: yeah 5gigs is room enough for root. although a friend of mine got crazy with packages and had a 8GB root partition. anyway, depends on how you wanna split, personal preference as always. |
| 18:55.04 | jstephenson | wols_: Google isn't a great deal of help. If I simply purge/reinstall alsa-base ... should it reconfig itself correctly? |
| 18:55.47 | m-c | claint: I should be able to put /boot and root in the same partition, right? |
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| 18:56.52 | Bushmills | raid with 2 disks is wasteful, useless or dangerous. depending on raid level :) |
| 18:57.31 | claint | Bushmills : how about raid8? |
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| 18:58.02 | Bushmills | on my map it's up to raid 6 |
| 18:58.20 | claint | m-c: unless you are going to try some of those funky filesystems, why not, keep them in the same place |
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| 18:59.38 | claint | Bushmills : :) |
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| 19:00.24 | jelly-home | raid1 with two disks is useful! |
| 19:00.33 | Bushmills | it is my opinion that with 2 disks, you better use the other one for incremental backup of important stuff |
| 19:00.50 | Bushmills | jelly, yes, but wasteful |
| 19:00.57 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 19:00.58 | hoxu | what about lvm mirror? |
| 19:01.19 | m-c | claint: I am not sure I understand |
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| 19:01.38 | m-c | use the same /boot for all the distributions ? |
| 19:01.40 | jelly-home | Bushmills: if you value uptime over disk space, it's not wasteful |
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| 19:02.05 | m-c | is that what you mean? (I have not set up multiple gnu/linux distros on one machine before...) |
| 19:02.09 | Bushmills | jelly, if you do, you'd probably have more than 2 disks |
| 19:02.22 | claint | Bushmills : well, i got my raid1 with two disks here, syncing over with my other machines at work and where not, which also have raid1s with 2 disks, so when it comes to waste, i am really wasted. |
| 19:02.25 | Supaplex | lspci isn't showing my pci-e network card. wut the ?? |
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| 19:02.55 | jelly-home | Bushmills: nah, half machines at work have raid1 w/ two disks, it the minimum |
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| 19:03.12 | claint | m-c : you are using ext3 for partitions right? so keep /boot in /, if you ask me. |
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| 19:04.40 | m-c | okay thanks for your advice, claint |
| 19:05.48 | HardDisk_WP | how do I quit vi? |
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| 19:06.09 | simonrvn | :q |
| 19:06.10 | claint | ESC :q! |
| 19:06.22 | dvs | simonrvn: ;-P |
| 19:07.16 | simonrvn | :D |
| 19:07.49 | simonrvn | :%,wut the ??,WTF, |
| 19:08.04 | simonrvn | wtf ftw |
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| 19:08.29 | HardDisk_WP | vi sucks. |
| 19:08.35 | jelly-home | :q! |
| 19:08.37 | simonrvn | anyone else noticed that? |
| 19:08.41 | dvs | !beer HardDisk_WP |
| 19:08.41 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Franziskaner Hefeweizen for HardDisk_WP |
| 19:08.53 | hoxu | HardDisk_WP, repeatedly hit esc until your fingers start bleeding, then slam ctrl and 'z' down and type "kill -9 %1" repeatedly until you get it right |
| 19:09.00 | HardDisk_WP | Lol |
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| 19:10.00 | jelly-home | !start an editor war |
| 19:10.00 | dpkg | nvi doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 19:10.12 | dvs | yeah! |
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| 19:10.53 | jelly-home | vim-tiny blows. |
| 19:11.19 | claint | so it was you who packaged emacs in coreutils? |
| 19:11.43 | Supaplex | sure, blame your tools. |
| 19:11.58 | jelly-home | you don't want to know my $EDITOR! |
| 19:12.13 | Supaplex | kitchen-sink-editor? |
| 19:12.19 | dvs | edlin? |
| 19:12.35 | jelly-home | dvs: heh |
| 19:12.53 | jelly-home | maybe in a dosbox wrapper |
| 19:13.18 | Supaplex | butterflies? |
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| 19:13.41 | jelly-home | Supaplex: M-x butterflies. |
| 19:13.42 | hoxu | $EDITOR? Use dd and /dev/kmem ! |
| 19:13.46 | Supaplex | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
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| 19:14.58 | pipeline | hoxu: dd? judiciously use echo and stdout! |
| 19:15.09 | claint | Supaplex : lol |
| 19:15.43 | Supaplex | updated 'start an editor war' to reflect http://xkcd.com/378/ as a possible random choice |
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| 19:17.40 | Bushmills | write your own editor. |
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| 19:18.16 | torrrg | anyone knows what disk block size is best to a 64k strip sized raid5? |
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| 19:19.01 | flixil | Hello I got a strange problem while using ndiswrapper for the bcm4318 wifi. ndiswrapper conflicts with b43 (another wifi driver for bcm4318) which in the same time needs ssb and pcmcia... The problem is that b43 and ssb keep loading in the startup of the system no matter I blacklisted them in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and even i deleted ssb.ko of /lib/modules/(current-kernel).../ssb.ko... Any ideas or anyone who suffered the same? Thanks |
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| 19:21.50 | Supaplex | flixil: sounds like initrd has you... |
| 19:21.51 | Supaplex | !blacklist |
| 19:21.51 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 19:21.59 | Supaplex | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:21.59 | dpkg | [blacklist-initramfs] If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 19:22.23 | b_jonas | hi |
| 19:22.29 | flixil | Yeah Supaplex that should be... |
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| 19:22.43 | flixil | Anyway i don't understand how can it modprobe ssb.ko if i moved to an other place :P |
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| 19:23.05 | jelly-home | flixil: did you move away even the copy in the initrd image? |
| 19:23.31 | jelly-home | er, initramfs |
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| 19:23.55 | flixil | No... But i didn't load from swap nor ram... So... I don't get it :) |
| 19:24.43 | Supaplex | initrd loads on boot |
| 19:24.46 | Supaplex | !initrd |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 19:25.11 | Supaplex | initrd/initramfs/etc (all closely related) |
| 19:25.28 | b_jonas | hi |
| 19:25.35 | jelly-home | flixil: if you use debian's kernels, you use initramfs. |
| 19:25.44 | flixil | I still don't understand it... I thought initrd was purely to be able to load with the drivers of the / filesystem as a module |
| 19:26.05 | Nyle | module |
| 19:26.15 | flixil | jelly-home: I use initramfs |
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| 19:26.30 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 19:26.30 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 19:26.37 | flixil | jelly-home: Supaplex thanks a lot i'll look for information about initramfs to understand it :) |
| 19:26.43 | Supaplex | flixil: that's a common use, however it's still possible to have drivers there. |
| 19:26.57 | valdyn | flixil: see <blacklist-initramfs> |
| 19:26.58 | flixil | Have drivers inside initramfs? |
| 19:27.08 | Supaplex | some can live there, yes |
| 19:27.37 | flixil | I can understand fs drivers... but net ones? :P |
| 19:27.43 | Supaplex | they don't strictly have to be filesystem/disk controller related. I have networking cards in some of mine, because some stations boot and run entirely over the network (nfs root) |
| 19:28.31 | Supaplex | toss a bug report at it 'wishlist' if you want it changed (they'll review it, and then decide if/how it applies). |
| 19:28.41 | flixil | That's true :) And that was really the problem, thanks you very much |
| 19:29.01 | Nyle | hello valdyn |
| 19:29.13 | flixil | A bug report? But was nothing missfunctioning, was it? It was just a malfunctioning user :P |
| 19:29.28 | Supaplex | !wishlist |
| 19:29.28 | dpkg | it has been said that wishlist is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEWishlist |
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| 19:29.36 | Supaplex | uh.. bad dpkg. |
| 19:29.56 | superfirelord43 | someone must have told it that... |
| 19:29.58 | Supaplex | flixil: that's why it's a wishlist bug, not a 'normal' bug (severity) |
| 19:30.04 | b_jonas | how exacly does one install fonts as a user on a normal debian system? |
| 19:30.05 | superfirelord43 | does debian have a kernel image made to work in virtualized machines? |
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| 19:30.12 | b_jonas | I figure it has to do something with the ~/.fonts directory |
| 19:30.20 | Nyle | superfirelord43, yes i think so it has a xen kernel |
| 19:30.34 | superfirelord43 | what about for running in vmware or qemu? |
| 19:30.34 | Nyle | or it used to anyway |
| 19:30.37 | vjoe | yo |
| 19:30.41 | Nyle | superfirelord43, that i don't know about |
| 19:30.42 | valdyn | b_jonas: you just copy those fonts into ~/.fonts/ |
| 19:30.51 | Nyle | vjoe, yo yo ma? |
| 19:31.04 | Supaplex | dpkg: no wishlist is a severity on a bugreport. Use this for suggestions and requests for new features. |
| 19:31.04 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 19:31.05 | dvs | Nyle: no, just a yo yo ;-) |
| 19:31.06 | b_jonas | valdyn: no subdirs or something? |
| 19:31.11 | vjoe | eheh |
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| 19:31.16 | Nyle | dvs, do you know who yo yo ma is? |
| 19:31.16 | dvs | !wishlist |
| 19:31.17 | dpkg | i heard wishlist is a severity on a bugreport. Use this for suggestions and requests for new features. |
| 19:31.20 | b_jonas | also, don't I need to run something after it? |
| 19:31.24 | b_jonas | like mkfontdir? |
| 19:31.28 | valdyn | b_jonas: nope |
| 19:31.31 | dvs | Nyle: some guy |
| 19:31.36 | dvs | a musician? |
| 19:31.37 | Nyle | dvs, lol, thats right |
| 19:31.38 | b_jonas | valdyn: ok, I'll try taht |
| 19:31.39 | smacnay | how do I track down what is filling up /dev/mapper/debian-root on an lvm system? |
| 19:31.42 | Nyle | dvs, classical, yes |
| 19:31.53 | b_jonas | valdyn: the dir has a fonts.dir file so I figured I need to update that with mkfontdir |
| 19:32.02 | Supaplex | smacnay: du |
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| 19:32.06 | th1 | smacnay, what's filling up your root fs hardly has anything to do with lvm? |
| 19:32.40 | flixil | So Supaplex this should be a "bug" with m-a that should do that blacklisting and dpkg-reconfigure while installing the driver or what? I don't get any other related package :s |
| 19:32.58 | Supaplex | smacnay: you might want to look at the lvm2 howto on how to grow that filesystem (it might help) |
| 19:33.30 | DanDare | hello all. Im foolowing some tutorial (for wireless card) and atsome point the instructions says :"Enable the firmware loader inside the kernel (CONFIG_FW_LOADER) and try again". How do insert such a instruction on the kernel? |
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| 19:34.19 | valdyn | DanDare: not at all, its already there |
| 19:34.25 | DanDare | :( |
| 19:34.26 | dvs | DanDare: you may have to recompile the kernel |
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| 19:34.34 | dvs | oops. I stand corrected |
| 19:34.36 | b_jonas | valdyn: doesn't quite work yet, but thanks for the help anyway |
| 19:34.43 | b_jonas | I'll restart X now |
| 19:34.58 | DanDare | im getting "Unknow symbol request_firmware" while insmod rt73.ko |
| 19:35.07 | valdyn | b_jonas: restarting X is never required, fonts are handled by applications, not by X |
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| 19:35.17 | b_jonas | valdyn: ok |
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| 19:35.23 | b_jonas | valdyn: my problem is this: |
| 19:35.28 | th1 | DanDare, the stock kernel at least in debian etch already has that option enabled |
| 19:35.40 | DanDare | so what, im running etch |
| 19:35.42 | valdyn | b_jonas: gtk/gnome and qt / kde will use fonts in~/.fonts/, old applications using ancient toolkits wont |
| 19:35.47 | b_jonas | previously I've installed fonts by copying them to another directory |
| 19:35.48 | DanDare | so its weird |
| 19:35.52 | th1 | DanDare, so you can skip that.. |
| 19:35.57 | dvs | !insmod |
| 19:35.58 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 19:36.00 | kom0dor | Ok, I just upgraded to lenny, and lost almost all the functionality of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:36.01 | yezariael | hi. I'm getting unmet dependencies while trying to install ndiswrapper: " ndiswrapper-utils: Depends: ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 but it is not installable" |
| 19:36.04 | b_jonas | running mkfontdir and adding them to the font path with xset |
| 19:36.05 | kom0dor | How do I fix that? |
| 19:36.06 | b_jonas | that works |
| 19:36.10 | b_jonas | these are bitmap fonts |
| 19:36.19 | yezariael | is there a fix for that? |
| 19:36.20 | th1 | DanDare, there's nothing to fix.. where's that tutorial you're following? |
| 19:36.21 | Supaplex | flixil: i'd file it on initramfs-tools, as that's the package that contains /usr/sbin/update-initramfs |
| 19:36.29 | b_jonas | *.pcf.gz |
| 19:36.32 | DanDare | th1, it hink not cause insmod is hanging on that part and wont loas |
| 19:36.35 | Supaplex | flixil: it can be reassigned if it belongs somewhere else. |
| 19:36.42 | valdyn | b_jonas: you need fonts.dir for that i guess |
| 19:36.42 | b_jonas | that works in the sense that I can use the x font names for them |
| 19:36.51 | valdyn | b_jonas: i dont really know beyond ttf fonts |
| 19:36.54 | abhi_ | I gave this command to add a job to cron. su: crontab -u abhi -e ; then added the task=> 10 1 * * * /usr/bin/deluge. but this did't not work . pls help |
| 19:36.58 | b_jonas | yep, fonts.dir is created by mkfontdir |
| 19:37.03 | b_jonas | so I can use them in xterm |
| 19:37.03 | DanDare | th1, on reallity i found a guy having same proble as me while trying to load this wireless driver |
| 19:37.15 | b_jonas | by specifying that font name with lots of hyphens |
| 19:37.19 | th1 | DanDare, what's the link to the tutorial you're following? |
| 19:37.27 | DanDare | th1, http://3lled.blogspot.com/2008/02/nslu2-dwl-g122-nas-with-wi-fi.html |
| 19:37.36 | b_jonas | but these fonts don't show up in applications like firefox, gimp, xchat, and not in kde stuff either |
| 19:37.43 | b_jonas | so I wondered what I need to do for that |
| 19:37.54 | DanDare | th1, and this guy having same problem as me: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4292 |
| 19:37.56 | b_jonas | those apps show some bitmap fonts like terminus |
| 19:37.59 | b_jonas | but not mine |
| 19:38.05 | b_jonas | so I think I need to do something for that |
| 19:38.15 | b_jonas | should I restart one of those gnome processes? |
| 19:38.16 | DanDare | just cant insmod the driver |
| 19:38.29 | b_jonas | gconfd and whatever |
| 19:38.35 | kom0dor | Ok, I just upgraded to lenny, and lost almost all the functionality of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Any way to fix that? |
| 19:38.37 | DanDare | because of "unknow symbol request request_firmware" :/ |
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| 19:39.04 | smacnay | th1, whatever is filling up the root file system is impeding me from running apt-get. |
| 19:39.08 | Df_Yz | Hello all. |
| 19:39.12 | th1 | dandare, what hardware do you have? |
| 19:39.18 | jelly-home | kom0dor: xorg is supposed to figure stuff out automatically now |
| 19:39.27 | DawnLight | hello :) will it be possible to install debian on the elonex ONE? |
| 19:39.35 | kom0dor | jelly-home: It's most unfortunate when it doesn't. |
| 19:39.37 | DanDare | th1, rt2571 chipset DLINK dwl-g122 H/WVer: C1 |
| 19:39.43 | Df_Yz | Tell me, please, does KDE slows on testing? |
| 19:39.52 | b_jonas | and they still don't show up |
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| 19:40.05 | jelly-home | kom0dor: have you already tried moving your xorg.conf away totally? |
| 19:40.20 | th1 | and did the driver compile alright? without any warnings or errors? |
| 19:40.31 | DanDare | th1, yeah |
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| 19:40.40 | kom0dor | I'll try that. Hrm. |
| 19:40.43 | th1 | chances are your kernel doesn't match the one that you built the module against. |
| 19:40.48 | kom0dor | I'll be back. |
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| 19:40.52 | abhi_ | help pls |
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| 19:41.00 | DanDare | th1, how can i fix ? |
| 19:41.12 | th1 | DanDare, get the kernel source for your device. it should be on dlink website. |
| 19:41.13 | kom0dor | I just was like, Oh great. No X. Awww, can't reconfigure it either. X just kept crashing. |
| 19:41.16 | DanDare | th1, using assitant or somthing?: |
| 19:41.22 | b_jonas | I wonder what I need to do |
| 19:41.30 | DanDare | forget about dlink they have nothing about linux |
| 19:41.41 | th1 | well then they are breaching the GPL :) |
| 19:41.44 | DanDare | at least on this me hardware |
| 19:41.57 | th1 | DanDare, your kernel that you installed on your dlink did you compile it yourself? |
| 19:41.58 | smacnay | when apt-get runs in a dir (in this case it ran in /) - where does it store temp files |
| 19:42.00 | smacnay | ? |
| 19:42.19 | DanDare | th1, it pre-compiled |
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| 19:42.30 | DanDare | from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ |
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| 19:42.38 | superfirelord43 | smacnay: i think it has a chache folder for that... |
| 19:42.48 | jelly-home | smacnay: always in the same place, a couple directories under /var |
| 19:43.24 | jelly-home | smacnay: look at the package contents of "apt" if you're interested |
| 19:43.33 | th1 | sorry I dunno then |
| 19:43.35 | smacnay | ok - thanks - I ran the apt-get command from within /tmp and it is running fine now - there must be a relative dir for cahced or tmp files |
| 19:43.42 | flixil | Supaplex: thanks |
| 19:43.46 | DanDare | th1, no problem thanks |
| 19:43.56 | DanDare | i think i will try something using module-assistant |
| 19:43.58 | jelly-home | smacnay: highly unlikely |
| 19:44.26 | dvs | DanDare: and the rt2x00-source package? |
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| 19:45.09 | jelly-home | smacnay: (dropping garbage in current dir isn't nice, esp. for a system utility like that) |
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| 19:46.06 | b_jonas | well, I'll still try to restart X |
| 19:46.16 | kom0dor | Removing my xorg.conf...made X work. Although, because I can't choose my driver...it chose 'vesa' and is at a low resolution (even though I installed 915resolution for my intel chipset) |
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| 19:47.09 | erpo | kom0dor: Maybe you should recreate a bare bones xorg.conf file. |
| 19:47.14 | b_jonas | no good |
| 19:47.58 | Oneils | or write your driver in xorg.conf |
| 19:48.20 | kom0dor | Ah, I'll try that. Thanks |
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| 19:48.40 | kom0dor | Why was it changed so? dpkg-reconfigure was so much better :/ |
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| 19:49.55 | simonrvn | !drxx |
| 19:49.55 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 19:51.08 | kom0dor | Can't do what I need to do that way, simonrvn. Gonna do it by hand. |
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| 19:51.22 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 19:51.30 | b_jonas | !.fonts |
| 19:51.35 | b_jonas | (had to try) |
| 19:51.42 | owen1 | what is the purpose of the gdm? if it's just for security and choosing the desktop environment, can i skip it and do it from a terminal? |
| 19:52.06 | superfirelord43 | how do i refresh my cached path info? |
| 19:52.09 | Supaplex | owen1: I usually startx manually from a console termina. |
| 19:52.11 | Oneils | yep |
| 19:52.12 | Supaplex | terminal* |
| 19:52.26 | Oneils | no matter how to start xserver |
| 19:52.41 | Oneils | by hands or using gdm/kdm |
| 19:52.44 | zd32nv | how do i burn to an iso file? Atm I'm working with a cue, toc, img, and iso file - with cue/toc containing info on cd with track1=img track2=iso. |
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| 19:53.16 | owen1 | Supaplex: Oneils: great. can u guide me how? |
| 19:53.37 | superfirelord43 | like i have a file that i used to use in /usr/bin/ and it got deleted, and the new one from make install is in /usr/local/bin, it keeps looking in /usr/bin |
| 19:53.42 | Oneils | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.44 | Supaplex | login, type startx at the shell. |
| 19:53.45 | owen1 | Supaplex: Oneils: and tell me how to revert back, if things go wrong. |
| 19:54.01 | Supaplex | install gdm again |
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| 19:54.08 | Oneils | login as user NOT root and type startx |
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| 19:54.25 | Oneils | dpkg -reconfigure |
| 19:54.25 | dpkg | Oneils: i don't know |
| 19:54.47 | dvs | dpkg, you're dumb |
| 19:54.48 | dpkg | dvs: no idea |
| 19:54.51 | dvs | se? |
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| 19:55.22 | yezariael | hey, when trying to install ndiswrapper-utils I get this message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:55.22 | yezariael | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.22 | yezariael | E: Broken packages |
| 19:55.23 | streuner | dpkg, you're dumb is <reply> STFU |
| 19:55.23 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 19:55.26 | owen1 | Oneils: Supaplex: just to clarify. i installed xubuntu but using awesome window manager instead of xfce. |
| 19:55.28 | yezariael | what's the problem there? |
| 19:55.58 | Oneils | install xorg gnome/kde,fwvm or something else and type in console startx |
| 19:56.06 | Supaplex | owen1: that's too bad we don't support any ubuntu. |
| 19:56.11 | Supaplex | !tell owen1 -about ubuntu |
| 19:56.12 | dvs | dpkg, you're still dumb |
| 19:56.12 | dpkg | dvs: wish i knew |
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| 19:56.33 | Supaplex | dvs: will you leave the bot alone. you're too dumb to notice it's a bot? heh |
| 19:56.48 | owen1 | ubuntu is a word in africans that means: i can't configure debian (read it somewhere).p |
| 19:56.49 | dvs | Supaplex: what bot? ;-) |
| 19:56.55 | zd32nv | dvs: botsnack |
| 19:57.04 | Supaplex | !pal dvs |
| 19:57.04 | dpkg | points at dvs and laughs uproariously |
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| 19:57.37 | Supaplex | owen1: yup. there's only one solution here for wannabe debian distros. |
| 19:57.40 | Supaplex | !step0 |
| 19:57.59 | Supaplex | !step 0 |
| 19:57.59 | dpkg | step 0 is probably install debian for support here, or kindly GTFO. thank you. </public-svc-announce> |
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| 19:58.08 | zd32nv | what, to command and conquer? |
| 19:58.24 | Supaplex | pretty much ;) |
| 19:58.31 | owen1 | Supaplex: actually i installed debian (180 mb) on my virtualbox and it rocks. |
| 19:59.15 | zd32nv | but 180mb? |
| 19:59.27 | Oneils | you installes net-install |
| 19:59.29 | zd32nv | you hardly utilised it |
| 19:59.30 | owen1 | Supaplex: i am scared to switch completely since i am afraid i'll stuck. |
| 19:59.37 | Oneils | it's only base system |
| 20:00.09 | owen1 | Oneils: after 1 year with ubuntu i want to learn how to create lean machine. |
| 20:00.13 | zd32nv | owen1: so much fear... |
| 20:00.48 | owen1 | Oneils: zd32nv: i have heard about debian and started to read about it. |
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| 20:01.48 | DawnLight | i know i asked this already, but i went away :) so is it possible to install debian on the Elonex ONE? is the flash memory that it has RO, or what? |
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| 20:03.02 | owen1 | zd32nv: Oneils: on the 180mb there was no xorg and the sources.list has almost nothing.. |
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| 20:03.34 | owen1 | what's the best way to create lean machine? |
| 20:03.35 | Supaplex | DawnLight: #debian-boot might know better. have you checked the install guide? What cpu arch is that running? |
| 20:03.58 | Supaplex | owen1: delete windows :p |
| 20:04.41 | Bushmills | owen1: don't install X apps |
| 20:04.53 | owen1 | Supaplex: i decided to choose debian since i am familiar with ubuntu and it's #7 on distrowatch... |
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| 20:05.20 | dondelelcaro | owen1: deselect everything in tasksel and install exactly what you need |
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| 20:05.29 | owen1 | Bushmills: i am trying to use text-based apps as much as i can.(irssi for example) |
| 20:05.35 | dondelelcaro | owen1: however, that requires knowing what you need, which is why we have tasksel |
| 20:06.07 | owen1 | dondelelcaro: not familiar with it. let me google. |
| 20:06.19 | Bushmills | owen1: if you don't use or need X clients, you'll save a lot there. though X server is not that bad. but you want to run the X clients on a different machine then. |
| 20:06.31 | dondelelcaro | owen1: tasksel is the thing that asks you "dekstop, laptop, standard" etc. on install |
| 20:06.47 | DawnLight | Supaplex: "LNX Code 8 Mobile 300MHz Processor" |
| 20:07.16 | spreeuw | text based is very competitive |
| 20:07.32 | spreeuw | much higher quality and less crud |
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| 20:08.05 | owen1 | dondelelcaro: got it. should i choose the minimum install (the 180mb)? |
| 20:08.07 | spreeuw | stitch it all together in a graphical filemanager et voila |
| 20:08.37 | dondelelcaro | owen1: up to you; if you know Debian well, that's a good start. if you don't, choose standard, and then later you can remove things you don't need. |
| 20:09.27 | owen1 | dondelelcaro: execpt than xorg (which was easy to install) what crutial packages are missing? |
| 20:10.35 | owen1 | maybe I will document my steps and write about switching from ubuntu to debian. |
| 20:11.27 | zd32nv | how come root can issue dd if= of= for a cdrom image rip, but a user can't? the user is in the cdrom group |
| 20:11.40 | Supaplex | DawnLight: so that's not x86 based? |
| 20:11.45 | dondelelcaro | owen1: xorg isn't in standard |
| 20:11.54 | DawnLight | Supaplex: have no idea what that is |
| 20:12.37 | owen1 | the biggest fear for us (the new immigrants to linux) is to move away from the safty of the community and support we get to something less known. |
| 20:12.41 | Supaplex | DawnLight: no idea what yours is, or what x86 is? |
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| 20:13.40 | DawnLight | Supaplex: it isn't mine, yet. but if i might be interested in one if it'll host a debian |
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| 20:16.14 | owen1 | i want to stop using gdm. all i have to do is type startx from terminal? what will prevent the gdm to appear after reboot? |
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| 20:16.34 | owen1 | and how do i choose my DE/WM? |
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| 20:16.35 | Supaplex | !nodm |
| 20:16.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 20:18.51 | peterrooney | would it be a good idea for /dpkg to put a "--purge" between apt-get and remove in that factoid? |
| 20:18.57 | Nigromante | hi |
| 20:19.11 | valdyn | peterrooney: no? |
| 20:19.13 | Nigromante | in Lenny de |
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| 20:19.33 | owen1 | so the only option to stop getting the gdm is to remove it with apt-get? |
| 20:19.35 | Nigromante | in Lenny they have removed some core gnome metapackages |
| 20:19.48 | valdyn | owen1: dpkg listed a few options |
| 20:20.08 | valdyn | Nigromante: like which? |
| 20:20.15 | Nigromante | gnome-core |
| 20:20.27 | owen1 | valdyn: update-rc.d -f xdm remove" |
| 20:20.27 | Nigromante | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:20.55 | owen1 | valdyn: i am not sure what this file doing. i opened it and it's quite long. |
| 20:21.09 | valdyn | owen1: which file? |
| 20:21.26 | owen1 | valdyn: update-rc.d |
| 20:21.35 | valdyn | owen1: why would you open it? |
| 20:21.39 | owen1 | valdyn: that's another option? |
| 20:21.42 | valdyn | owen1: its an executable script |
| 20:21.48 | valdyn | owen1: try reading, dpkg lists a few |
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| 20:23.20 | owen1 | valdyn: i didn't understand what he is trying to say. |
| 20:23.35 | lastpak | what d i download to get debian-live with aptitude for a usb-stick...no kde,gnome just text-based? |
| 20:23.53 | owen1 | valdyn: all i need is a way to not see my gdm after restart. but i want the option to revert back. |
| 20:24.13 | owen1 | valdyn: and i also need a way to load my wm/de. |
| 20:24.25 | Oneils | owen1: if dont know for what any file - read TFM |
| 20:24.34 | valdyn | owen1: option 1) "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm" removes packages in order to disable them. Option 2) "update-rc.d -f xdm remove". Option 3) echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager. Option 4) hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 20:24.48 | telemachus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.13 | telemachus | valdyn: it's much cleaner to comment out the choice in /etc/X11/default-display-manager rather than to empty it out with echo |
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| 20:25.32 | valdyn | telemachus: so fix dpkg |
| 20:25.41 | telemachus | owen1: as root, open /etc/X11/default-display-manager and put a # before all the options |
| 20:26.11 | telemachus | valdyn: not an option for me, but I hate that piece of advice. It's so much cleaner to comment out. Easier to restore. |
| 20:26.12 | valdyn | owen1: im sure this is confusing getting to many choices, but pick any, they all are ok |
| 20:26.19 | gimmal | anyone know if there's a tool for making a dpkg/apt mirror out of a set of standard debian CDs? |
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| 20:26.46 | owen1 | 1 sec. doing what telemachus said. |
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| 20:27.10 | telemachus | owen1: Which thing I said? I said two options, I think. |
| 20:27.22 | telemachus | Easiest is to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 20:27.29 | telemachus | quick, clean, no extra software |
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| 20:28.04 | owen1 | telemachus: yes. this one. |
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| 20:28.47 | vlad | hi people i need a bit of help when i try to do ./configure it says configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 20:28.53 | vlad | im noob tho |
| 20:29.07 | telemachus | vlad: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 20:29.36 | telemachus | but more importantly, what are you trying to compile? Have you checked if it is available as a deb? |
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| 20:30.11 | owen1 | telemachus: i had only 1 line there - usr/sbin/gdm |
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| 20:30.38 | owen1 | telemachus: what's next? |
| 20:30.38 | telemachus | owen1: no problem, but two ## marks before the line |
| 20:30.43 | lastpak | does fluxbox ru in x11? |
| 20:30.49 | lastpak | run |
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| 20:30.52 | telemachus | if you want to have gdm again, edit those out |
| 20:30.53 | Enverex | Yes |
| 20:30.56 | mimcpher | yes lastpak |
| 20:30.57 | Enverex | lastpak, /\ |
| 20:31.22 | spreeuw | means troublemaker in dutch |
| 20:31.29 | owen1 | telemachus: should i restart now? |
| 20:31.32 | lastpak | so i keep x11 allways? |
| 20:31.43 | owen1 | telemachus: sudo reboot ? |
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| 20:31.45 | Enverex | lastpak, If you want a GUI. yes |
| 20:31.51 | telemachus | why sudo? |
| 20:31.54 | telemachus | are you root? |
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| 20:32.17 | telemachus | but either way, you should now be able to reboot |
| 20:32.18 | owen1 | telemachus: i don't know if i a root. |
| 20:32.27 | telemachus | how did you edit the file? |
| 20:32.32 | owen1 | sudo vim ... |
| 20:32.37 | telemachus | ah, k |
| 20:32.42 | telemachus | are you in Debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 20:32.51 | owen1 | xubuntu |
| 20:32.54 | telemachus | right |
| 20:32.56 | telemachus | k |
| 20:33.11 | owen1 | (but u'r helping me to escape..) |
| 20:33.14 | telemachus | you can reboot however you like, gui, sudo reboot, whatever |
| 20:33.19 | vlad | thx telemachus |
| 20:33.20 | gimmal | so how the heck can traffic be making it off the lan, to port [UDP]1900 if I've blocked forwarding for that port on UDP sockets? |
| 20:33.43 | Enverex | owen1, Has anyone told you "Ubuntu !== Debian" yet? |
| 20:33.45 | owen1 | telemachus: and what will happend after i reboot? type my user+pass and startx? |
| 20:34.17 | telemachus | owen1: you should boot to a console (black screen) login, and then yes, login with name and pass |
| 20:34.25 | telemachus | why do you want to do this exactly? |
| 20:34.36 | owen1 | Enverex: i know. ubuntu is the basis for linux and debian. just kidding.. |
| 20:35.08 | telemachus | owen1: what is your goal here? |
| 20:35.08 | owen1 | telemachus: and how do i choose to load awesome (my wm) |
| 20:35.31 | owen1 | telemachus: to be more geek and stop using gui apps as much as i can. |
| 20:35.57 | deadcat | how is using GUI not geeky? |
| 20:36.02 | lastpak | allways ascii art is a option..but i'm not there yet Enverex |
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| 20:36.03 | vlad | can somebody tell me how can i see the ntfs partitions that i have so i can mount the ones i need? |
| 20:36.18 | telemachus | owen1: I see. I don't know awesome at all (I can't believe I just wrote that), so no advice there. |
| 20:36.25 | deadcat | vlad: fdisk -l |
| 20:36.36 | Supaplex | yay. desktop is up on new nic, and new fc hba. looks like this box is squared away for the server now, and I can move my video card to the new desktop :) |
| 20:36.45 | owen1 | telemachus: it's an wm, just like fluxbox and icewm. |
| 20:36.55 | owen1 | telemachus: but awesome. |
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| 20:37.27 | owen1 | telemachus: so should i simple type startx and than my wm (awesome)? |
| 20:37.37 | owen1 | telemachus: or xfce4 ? |
| 20:37.46 | owen1 | telemachus: or whatever i want? |
| 20:38.23 | owen1 | http://awesome.naquadah.org/community/ |
| 20:39.01 | pngwn | owen1, tried the support channel for the distribution that you are using? |
| 20:39.01 | b_jonas | do you have any idea why I'd get this error from nmap: http://erxz.com/pb/9637 |
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| 20:39.01 | b_jonas | "dnet: Failed to open device eth0" |
| 20:39.02 | owen1 | pngwn: i am using debian (under the hoods) |
| 20:39.03 | telemachus | owen1: no, you're not |
| 20:39.38 | DawnLight | owen1: ubuntu isn't debian |
| 20:39.55 | owen1 | telemachus: i think i understand your instructions. i am just scared... |
| 20:40.11 | owen1 | ok. i'll give it a shot. thanks |
| 20:40.17 | telemachus | yeah, honestly owen1, I wouldn't have given that advice now that I know what I know. |
| 20:40.28 | owen1 | telemachus: why? |
| 20:40.36 | telemachus | You need to figure out how to do what you want **before** you kill your gui. |
| 20:40.42 | flixil | root concept and sudo concept is different |
| 20:41.45 | owen1 | if it goes wrong i can always edit my default-display-manager. correct? |
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| 20:42.05 | telemachus | owen1: yes |
| 20:42.19 | owen1 | cool. see u soon (hopefully) |
| 20:42.22 | telemachus | owen1: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_awesome |
| 20:42.23 | vlad | hey ppl another question :( im trying to mount ntfs partition different to windows when i put mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /mnt/ntfs it says mnt/ntfs doesnt exist, any suggestions? |
| 20:42.24 | Enverex | Can anyone figure out why this compile fails? http://rafb.net/p/krUJyO79.html - I'm going insane trying to get this to install |
| 20:42.28 | telemachus | check that out, perhaps |
| 20:42.45 | Enverex | vlad, Make /mnt/ntfs? |
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| 20:42.54 | b_jonas | ah! |
| 20:42.57 | b_jonas | !font install |
| 20:42.58 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 20:43.33 | vlad | Enverex: when i do make /mnt/ntfs it says doesnt exist |
| 20:43.41 | penrod | greetings: is udev the easiest way to assign nic's in the order you want ? |
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| 20:44.31 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:44.47 | Enverex | vlad, You're actually typing "make"? |
| 20:44.56 | DexterF | when I want to use 4GB of RAM, do I need to run a 64bit Linux at all cost? |
| 20:44.59 | b_jonas | oh no, it gave "$HOME/.fonts: caching, 0 fonts, 0 dirs" |
| 20:45.01 | spreeuw | penrod: yes, or when you're lucky the detection order doesnt change |
| 20:45.27 | spreeuw | and you can just config them once |
| 20:46.21 | penrod | spreeuw: thank you, and today I am not so lucky. I prefer the inside interface (eth1) to be the gigabit card. |
| 20:46.43 | vlad | yes Enverex i type that |
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| 20:47.15 | Enverex | vlad, How long have you been using Linux? |
| 20:47.39 | vlad | Enverex: i just said im a noob :) |
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| 20:48.21 | b_jonas | doesn't seem to work |
| 20:48.37 | Enverex | vlad, It's "mkdir" not "make" |
| 20:49.02 | vlad | ah Enverex sorry |
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| 20:49.09 | owen1 | startx loads xfce. how do i change the default to be something else (i am not usig gdm). |
| 20:49.26 | dondelelcaro | owen1: add exec foosomething; to your .xsession |
| 20:49.30 | telemachus | owen1: if you want to be a true geek, you are going to need to do some reading |
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| 20:49.50 | owen1 | telemachus: sure. |
| 20:50.02 | telemachus | owen1: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_awesome |
| 20:50.17 | owen1 | telemachus: thanks |
| 20:50.19 | telemachus | obviously, the Gentoo-specific parts of that don't apply |
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| 20:50.37 | telemachus | owen1: such as using portage (their apt-get, so to speak) |
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| 20:50.54 | alin | hello, is there anyway to see the raw input of the keyboard ? |
| 20:50.57 | owen1 | telemachus: great. |
| 20:51.12 | vlad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.12 | vlad | WARNING: Deficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are |
| 20:51.12 | vlad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.12 | vlad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.12 | vlad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.28 | Enverex | Is anyone here capable of helping with a FGLRX driver issue? (failure to compile) |
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| 20:51.47 | alin | Enverex: excelent support for that on #ati if the right ppl are online |
| 20:51.53 | streuner | vlad: who told you to flood the channel? |
| 20:51.59 | vlad | no man |
| 20:52.02 | Enverex | alin, It's been dead all day :/ |
| 20:52.04 | vlad | i was pasting my error |
| 20:52.24 | alin | Enverex: i think they are from US.. generaly i got my support from there |
| 20:52.36 | streuner | vlad: only 3 are allowed, but people are usually feel ok, if you use just 2 lines... |
| 20:52.55 | b_jonas | better and better, 'kfontinst -x ~/.fonts/misc/' gives segmentation fault |
| 20:52.56 | streuner | vlad: use paste.debian.net please |
| 20:53.16 | alin | so.. anyone knows the file in witch the raw keystrokes goes in ? |
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| 20:54.20 | vlad | ok ppl sorry for that, this is my error with ntfs-3g http://paste.debian.net/4898/ |
| 20:55.43 | imduffy15 | Hey guys, Do You know of a howto for setting up fluxbox, cocky, idesk? |
| 20:55.55 | tr10 | thats just a warning... drive should still be mounted |
| 20:55.57 | b_jonas | any idea why 'fc-cache -fv' doesn't find my fonts? |
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| 20:56.11 | streuner | idesk has some examples, just cd to /usr/share/doc/idesk/ |
| 20:56.36 | streuner | imduffy15: fluxbox.sf.net has plenty of docs, but usually you don't need them |
| 20:57.56 | imduffy15 | Ok thanks for Your help |
| 20:59.23 | streuner | imduffy15: install idesk and read /usr/share/idesk and /usr/share/doc/idesk |
| 21:00.03 | acemi | imduffy15: see ~/.fluxbox/startup |
| 21:00.03 | ggeecko | is there a way to make aterm stay on top if it is borderless |
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| 21:00.57 | streuner | imduffy15: what's cocky? |
| 21:01.31 | imduffy15 | Oops typo i meant to say conky |
| 21:01.54 | streuner | imduffy15: try gkrellm |
| 21:02.00 | imduffy15 | Ok |
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| 21:02.18 | mimcpher | Can I safely rm /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
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| 21:02.33 | streuner | mimcpher: no, just use apt-get auto(clean) |
| 21:02.49 | mimcpher | sure. |
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| 21:03.01 | mimcpher | I, uh, ran out of disk space on my root :-p |
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| 21:03.17 | streuner | time to delete pr0n ;-) |
| 21:03.32 | mimcpher | Who keeps pr0n on the root partition? |
| 21:03.34 | mimcpher | :-p |
| 21:03.40 | vlad | can somebody plz check my error? |
| 21:03.57 | vlad | http://paste.debian.net/4898/ |
| 21:03.59 | streuner | well, time to us parted then |
| 21:04.03 | streuner | s/us/use/ |
| 21:04.24 | streuner | mimcpher: How big is / ? |
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| 21:04.51 | mimcpher | I've had a 30gb partition as / for ages |
| 21:05.03 | streuner | hm, that's normally enough |
| 21:05.03 | tr10 | vlad, thats just a warning... it still should be mounted but with some limited features |
| 21:05.15 | streuner | more than enough |
| 21:05.32 | mimcpher | streuner, /apt/cache/archives is 11gb, I had another 10gb in /opt/, and 10gb in /usr |
| 21:05.34 | tr10 | the message seems pretty self explanatory |
| 21:05.38 | streuner | mimcpher: can you show us what du -h about say in paste.debian.net ? |
| 21:05.38 | vlad | tr10: the disk is not mounted |
| 21:06.43 | vlad | btw im trying to mount sdb5 partition its the same isnt? |
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| 21:07.29 | mimcpher | streuner, apt-get clean and now I've got reasonable disk usage :-p |
| 21:07.52 | streuner | o,k |
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| 21:09.54 | acemi | vlad: try ntfsfix which is a tool in ntfsprogs package |
| 21:10.19 | owen1 | ok. i read about .xinitrc and .xsession. when i type startx i get xfce instead of my favorite awesome wm. |
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| 21:10.52 | owen1 | my .xinitrc has this line: . /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 21:10.53 | tr10 | vlad, Im not sure then.. that message you posted doesnt show any errors in mounting.. if you want to get rid of that warning message you have to upgrade your kernel |
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| 21:12.03 | owen1 | i also have exec awesome at the end of the file. |
| 21:12.30 | owen1 | can i remove the line . /etc/X11/Xsession ? |
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| 21:17.57 | vlad | acemi: can u help me? |
| 21:18.23 | acemi | vlad: ? |
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| 21:19.10 | vlad | acmi im tying to mount other partitions that i have in ntfs but im new in debian so im a bit confused and cant to the mounting |
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| 21:19.36 | vlad | acemi im tying to mount other partitions that i have in ntfs but im new in debian so im a bit confused and cant to the mounting |
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| 21:20.50 | acemi | vlad: I think your problem is related with ntfs status, which is not closed properly |
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| 21:21.47 | acemi | vlad: if this true, try apt-get install ntfsprogs as root and then ntfsfix /dev/xxx |
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| 21:24.50 | vlad | acemi: Refusing to operate on read-write mounted device /dev/sdb5. |
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| 21:25.46 | acemi | vlad: you said that ntfs partition wasn't mounted |
| 21:26.04 | gimmal | weee ownx0rs the nyyyte. thfpt :-} |
| 21:26.16 | acemi | vlad: but it seems it's mounted |
| 21:26.49 | acemi | vlad: mount | grep sdb5 |
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| 21:28.12 | vlad | acemi: /dev/sdb5 on /mnt/ntfs type fuse (rw,allow_other) how can i see, because when i try from places and go to drive "utilities" it says disk is not mounted |
| 21:29.18 | acemi | vlad: could you see your files in /mnt/ntfs |
| 21:29.39 | vlad | acemi: no |
| 21:30.20 | acemi | vlad: umount /dev/sdb5 and than ntfsfix /dev/sdb5 |
| 21:30.40 | acemi | vlad: and try to mount again |
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| 21:31.33 | antara | hello,what is the safest way to move a debian system from one hdd to another, all i want to do is change the current small hdd with a bigger one |
| 21:31.34 | vlad | acemi: with this command mount | grep sdb5 or the first one¿ |
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| 21:32.17 | acemi | vlad: to mount, mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt/ntfs |
| 21:32.41 | vlad | yes i just did it and not working |
| 21:33.05 | vlad | acemi: when i do ls it shows empty folder, should i restart then¿ |
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| 21:33.33 | acemi | vlad: did you umount and fix the partition? |
| 21:33.37 | putz | My laptop (running etch) appears to have gone insane. |
| 21:33.40 | bjwebb | "sudo apt-get build-dep -f gnash" gives me "E: Build-dependencies for gnash could not be satisfied.", why? and why isn't it giving me more info? |
| 21:33.41 | vlad | acemi: yes |
| 21:34.16 | putz | Apart from ls, cd, no matter what command I attempt to run it tells me it's either not found, or bash gives me an Input/output error |
| 21:34.33 | putz | I don't want to reboot it if it's not going to come back up again |
| 21:34.34 | acemi | vlad: what is the outpur for fdisk -l (as root) |
| 21:34.39 | wols_ | putz: disk is not accessible |
| 21:34.40 | acemi | output |
| 21:34.58 | putz | Oh wow, that might mean the hard disk has died |
| 21:35.09 | wols_ | !tell antara about clone |
| 21:35.34 | putz | Is there a command I could attempt that would tell me if it still sees the hard disk? |
| 21:35.56 | vlad | acemi: http://paste.debian.net/4906/ |
| 21:36.08 | antara | wols_: not what im looking for, i want a complete img from one hdd to the other |
| 21:36.18 | Supaplex | putz: cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 21:36.18 | wols_ | partimage, dd, g4u, etc |
| 21:36.33 | antara | wols_ somethign like dd i had in mind |
| 21:36.41 | wols_ | putz: hard when you get i/o error for everything |
| 21:37.00 | putz | Hmm, it looks fine |
| 21:37.10 | putz | At least, all the partitions appear to be in order |
| 21:37.21 | putz | Oh well, it's all backed up |
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| 21:37.30 | putz | If it's dead I just have to RMA it :( |
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| 21:38.29 | wols_ | putz: smartmontools |
| 21:39.21 | vlad | acemi: ? |
| 21:39.41 | acemi | vlad: I have no idea now |
| 21:39.43 | Vicfred | how do i enable the anthy japanese input on scim? they are installed but scim are not showing them |
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| 21:40.11 | acemi | vlad: you have 2 ntfs partition, is sdb5 correct one? |
| 21:40.35 | vlad | i have 3, one for download,utilities and windows |
| 21:40.43 | vlad | acemi: |
| 21:41.11 | vlad | acemi: but dont care to access the windows one, but the other 2 |
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| 21:43.11 | putz | wols_, I have no way of installing it |
| 21:43.21 | putz | dpkg/apt are non-functional too |
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| 21:43.44 | acemi | vlad: I have no suggestion now |
| 21:43.54 | vlad | :( |
| 21:43.57 | vlad | thx so much acemi |
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| 21:45.40 | putz | Can't even call shutdown >< |
| 21:45.44 | putz | Time to pull the plug |
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| 21:47.48 | putz | Odd |
| 21:47.53 | Supaplex | putz: alt+sysrq+s then alt+sysrq+u then alt+sysrq+o |
| 21:47.55 | putz | After a restart it appears to be fine |
| 21:48.04 | Supaplex | s = sync u = umount o = off |
| 21:48.10 | Supaplex | musta been a glitch. |
| 21:48.14 | putz | Yeah |
| 21:48.16 | putz | Phew |
| 21:48.33 | putz | Though i'd have to be without it for a couple of weeks >< |
| 21:48.35 | putz | *thought |
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| 21:57.08 | Vicfred | how do i enable the anthy japanese input on scim? they are installed but scim are not showing them |
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| 21:58.23 | Supaplex | hacks up a lung *COUGH* wow, wrong tubes for food. ouch. |
| 21:58.40 | telemachus | Supaplex: too much information |
| 21:58.43 | telemachus | :) |
| 21:58.50 | mDemocritus | any guides/FAQs that you would recommend to a debian-newbie, but not a linux newb? |
| 21:59.27 | dondelelcaro | mDemocritus: depends what you're doing |
| 21:59.36 | dondelelcaro | mDemocritus: the quick reference is a good starter |
| 21:59.49 | Supaplex | heh, that's tmi? pffft |
| 22:01.10 | telemachus | mDemocritus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html is good, though parts are out of date |
| 22:01.35 | telemachus | mDemocritus: also, check here more generally: http://www.debian.org/doc/#manuals |
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| 22:02.44 | mDemocritus | dondelelcaro: i'm just playing around with it... on a server, not desktop setup. i started out on gentoo, switched to ubuntu, but now i want to set up a basic LAMP server... most of it should be similar to ubuntu, right? thanks for the links |
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| 22:03.02 | smax | hi |
| 22:03.26 | smax | im attepting to install some printer drivers. the manufacture's web site provides ppd files. No README. |
| 22:03.30 | smax | what do i do witha ppd file? |
| 22:03.33 | smax | where to move it. |
| 22:04.19 | putz | I can't quite see how this is relevent to #web, however i've never heard of that extension |
| 22:04.32 | putz | oh wait |
| 22:04.38 | putz | Wrong channel >< |
| 22:04.40 | Supaplex | smax: install it via cups. there's a dialog to upload the ppd file. http://127.0.0.1:631 |
| 22:04.47 | putz | This just isn't my day :( |
| 22:05.04 | Supaplex | !comfort putz |
| 22:05.04 | dpkg | There, there, putz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:05.21 | g00se | smax: ppd files are in /etc/cups/ppd |
| 22:05.23 | putz | Haha :) |
| 22:05.32 | lxsameer | how to change refresh rate of monitor? i have a samsung syncMaster , in kde i have 1024x768 @ 60 Hz config . it is deadly. i want to set that to 70 or 80 Hz. |
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| 22:06.55 | smax | g00se: so if i move the ppd file to that dir. i should be able to add my printer ? |
| 22:07.08 | smax | thats it? |
| 22:07.12 | smax | or should i reboot |
| 22:07.42 | lxsameer | can any one help me? |
| 22:07.46 | g00se | smax: I'd do it like Supaplex suggests |
| 22:08.10 | smax | Supaplex: where is the dialog to upload the ppd file? im in the web interface home page |
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| 22:10.06 | lxsameer | maybe i should go some where else . . . :-( |
| 22:10.11 | Supaplex | smax: add a printer, you'll find it. |
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| 22:10.20 | Supaplex | !tell lxsameer -about ask |
| 22:10.36 | lxsameer | how to change refresh rate of monitor? i have a samsung syncMaster , in kde i have 1024x768 @ 60 Hz config . it is deadly. i want to set that to 70 or 80 Hz. |
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| 22:10.42 | fas3r | where it's possible to buy name domain ? |
| 22:10.43 | Supaplex | lxsameer: maybe edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or: |
| 22:10.46 | Supaplex | !drxx |
| 22:10.46 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 22:11.00 | Supaplex | fas3r: http://daxal.com/hosting is where I get mine :) |
| 22:11.40 | DawnLight | hello. I'm looking for a document/website that 'sells' the idea of GNU/Linux being better than Windows. anyone? |
| 22:11.43 | Supaplex | hunts down the power cable on his 750gb external hdd |
| 22:11.45 | fas3r | ok thx Supaplex |
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| 22:13.52 | Supaplex | *burp*^2 mmmm yumm. |
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| 22:15.44 | smax | cups says printer added successfully. should i reboot ? |
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| 22:16.13 | dondelelcaro | smax: nope |
| 22:17.30 | g00se | Dawnlight: Point them to a Windoze AV database ;-) |
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| 22:22.28 | mDemocritus | is there any caveats to installing debian inside VMWare server? |
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| 22:27.20 | octal_sio | is 'apt-get install linux-image' the standard way of getting the kernel? |
| 22:27.53 | octal_sio | using debootstrap, if you're wondering why |
| 22:28.10 | gimmal | wild question: anyone might know of some sort of subtle netconf thing in netfilter would prevent 'darkstat' from logging info about ports? |
| 22:28.28 | gimmal | 'cos it's not logging it, nifty thing while it is |
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| 22:31.46 | gimmal | hey i'm up for a kick, let's go have a look-see at the mrtg web-site -- real party place, I hear. "am I hot or not?" and all that ... |
| 22:35.23 | V4Nelle | guys aptitude safe-upgrade can do complete remove in files which must removed? |
| 22:35.46 | Eulex | ? |
| 22:36.10 | Eulex | an upgrade of a package will remove files that were in the last version but aren't in the next version, if that's what you mean |
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| 22:43.18 | vjoe | bye |
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| 22:44.05 | Supaplex | !next |
| 22:44.06 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 22:45.46 | vlad | hey ppl me again , how can i upgrade to kernel 2.6.20 or newst? |
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| 22:48.40 | zloog | Hi, does anyone know if it is possible to have grep output the matching line AND the line immediately following? |
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| 22:50.49 | dutchfish | zloog: maybe -n-1 (not sure if negativ enumbers can be used) |
| 22:51.39 | dutchfish | zloog: error: -A 1 |
| 22:51.39 | zloog | ah thanks |
| 22:51.45 | zloog | my eyes are glazing on these man pages |
| 22:51.54 | dutchfish | zloog: ;) |
| 22:52.16 | zloog | bingo |
| 22:52.34 | zloog | trying to show off the power of linux for ad-hoc text processing to a windows user |
| 22:52.54 | dutchfish | zloog: is he still in its socks then? |
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| 22:56.54 | zloog | socks? |
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| 22:57.27 | dutchfish | zloog: the things you put on your feet before you wear shoes ;) |
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| 22:57.49 | keila | how do i change the system language? |
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| 22:58.35 | dutchfish | keila: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:59.24 | keila | dutchfish: thanks |
| 22:59.30 | dutchfish | keila: yw |
| 23:00.21 | jstephenson | It would appear I've restarted X however irssi has been running through screen all the while and its DBUS address is outdated. Is there a way to refresh its environment? |
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| 23:03.10 | poseidon | I can't get xchat via apt-get from the debian main repos. |
| 23:03.18 | poseidon | (for lenny) |
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| 23:04.32 | dutchfish | !info xchat testing |
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| 23:04.49 | ribasushi | yo |
| 23:04.58 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-2+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 297 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 23:05.30 | ribasushi | is there some init script facility in debian that would set read-ahead on block devices? or is the only option writing together a dirty script yourself? |
| 23:05.44 | ribasushi | like there is maybe some obscure package |
| 23:06.56 | dutchfish | !info readahead etch |
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| 23:07.49 | tanjuu | hi all |
| 23:08.13 | dutchfish | ribasushi: not in etch but in lenny, maybe look at backports |
| 23:08.30 | ribasushi | I'm on sid anyway |
| 23:08.38 | ribasushi | what's the name? |
| 23:08.44 | tanjuu | does debian come with the binaries for the 8800GT? |
| 23:08.49 | dutchfish | !info readahead |
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| 23:09.02 | b_jonas | I found an email thread describing exactly my problem: http://marc.info/?l=debian-user&m=117079781026748&w=2 |
| 23:09.08 | b_jonas | but it doesn't give a solution |
| 23:09.11 | b_jonas | so good night now |
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| 23:09.24 | poseidon | dutchfish, how does that help me? |
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| 23:10.11 | poseidon | I've used lenny before (and I know exchat is available), but it doesn't seem to be available with the default sources |
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| 23:11.19 | dutchfish | ribasushi: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/readahead-list.git;a=summary |
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| 23:11.56 | dutchfish | poseidon: check your mirror the packages is definitely in lenny |
| 23:12.58 | ribasushi | dutchfish++ |
| 23:12.59 | dutchfish | poseidon: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xchat |
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| 23:15.27 | Sling | damn, stuck at hardest part of the debian installer again |
| 23:16.05 | simonrvn | wonders what that part is |
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| 23:16.45 | Sling | picking the hostname |
| 23:17.06 | simonrvn | ooh. read the rfc on hostname choosing? |
| 23:17.22 | simonrvn | pick a theme, then start naming machines |
| 23:17.25 | dutchfish | !comfort Sling |
| 23:17.25 | dpkg | There, there, Sling. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:17.36 | Sling | dpkg cant help me here |
| 23:17.36 | dpkg | Sling: are you using Windows? |
| 23:17.38 | n0ah | <3 dpkg |
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| 23:17.48 | n0ah | dpkg is my boyfriend |
| 23:17.48 | dpkg | n0ah: wish i knew |
| 23:17.59 | simonrvn | !gender |
| 23:17.59 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 23:18.05 | n0ah | !gay |
| 23:18.06 | Sling | !rape |
| 23:18.06 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 23:18.07 | dpkg | hmm... rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level. |
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| 23:18.30 | Sling | hm this might be a good theme |
| 23:18.34 | Sling | ill call it gunther |
| 23:18.53 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 23:18.59 | n0ah | lol |
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| 23:20.48 | n0ah | OpenBSD n0ah.org 4.3 GENERIC#1598 sparc64 |
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| 23:20.49 | n0ah | ^^ |
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| 23:22.12 | Sling | heh i used that a few months ago |
| 23:22.16 | Sling | even the sparc64-taste :) |
| 23:22.27 | Sling | but threw it out |
| 23:22.30 | Sling | bsd is scary |
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| 23:25.20 | simonrvn | eh, not really, just different |
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| 23:26.49 | Guerin | the lack of a packaging system is a pain in my arse |
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| 23:26.57 | webchat754 | hi |
| 23:27.15 | Sling | hi |
| 23:27.18 | webchat754 | what server can i put into sources of software ? |
| 23:27.39 | Guerin | webchat754: run netselect-apt |
| 23:27.51 | webchat754 | i cant install: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:28.01 | simonrvn | add non-free |
| 23:28.04 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 23:28.04 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 23:29.05 | rallon | hi all |
| 23:29.35 | Sling | ahoyhoy |
| 23:30.01 | webchat754 | Guerin, which is a good server ? |
| 23:30.14 | Guerin | the fastest one |
| 23:30.18 | webchat754 | i have four |
| 23:30.24 | webchat754 | in sources.list |
| 23:30.32 | Sling | depends on where you live |
| 23:30.39 | webchat754 | i'am from spain |
| 23:30.48 | Sling | then pick your local spanish mirror |
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| 23:31.07 | Sling | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 23:31.19 | Sling | oh wait thats install image mirror |
| 23:31.47 | dutchfish | point his finger to apt-spy |
| 23:31.57 | distribuidos | hi channel |
| 23:32.05 | distribuidos | i have routing problem |
| 23:32.06 | webchat754 | ok Sling , what is better a http, or a ftp ? |
| 23:32.12 | Guerin | webchat754: http |
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| 23:32.46 | Sling | but the link i gave you isnt for aptitude sources |
| 23:32.52 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 23:32.52 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 23:32.53 | Sling | use apt-spy to see what mirror you should use |
| 23:33.02 | Sling | apt-get install apt-spy |
| 23:33.04 | webchat754 | deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian-cd/ testing main <--- Guerin per example? |
| 23:33.16 | webchat754 | in my sources.list |
| 23:33.49 | Sling | webchat754 : no, thats the debian cd image |
| 23:33.51 | Sling | see what i wrote |
| 23:34.03 | webchat754 | apt-spy |
| 23:34.14 | Sling | !apt-spy |
| 23:34.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 23:36.28 | webchat754 | Sling, a question, can i put stable now? |
| 23:36.43 | webchat754 | i have the unstable servers |
| 23:36.58 | Sling | stable is the safest way to go |
| 23:37.06 | Sling | but for desktop use, unstable is fine |
| 23:37.14 | webchat754 | ok |
| 23:37.15 | Sling | and if you really want the cutting edge, testing |
| 23:37.58 | webchat754 | cutting edge ? |
| 23:38.27 | Guerin | webchat754: never mix stable and anything else |
| 23:38.31 | distribuidos | i want to mount firewall "3 leg type", local interface(eth1) has 192.168.0.x and 192.168.1.x subnets, external interface(eth0) connects to 192.168.0.x, howcan share internet my connection with my firewall? thanks |
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| 23:38.32 | dutchfish | dont use unstable if you strating out, maybe testing but preferable stable |
| 23:38.47 | Guerin | unstable isn't `fine' unless your apt-fu is powerful |
| 23:38.48 | dutchfish | s/strating/starting |
| 23:39.08 | webchat754 | what is my apt-fu ? |
| 23:39.18 | dutchfish | hides in the bushes |
| 23:39.29 | Guerin | webchat754: this is a question only you can answer, grasshopper. |
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| 23:39.53 | webchat754 | grasshopper ? |
| 23:40.32 | webchat754 | ahhh "saltamontes" xD |
| 23:40.41 | Guerin | webchat754: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series) |
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| 23:41.17 | webchat754 | lol |
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| 23:43.02 | dsghrrt456 | hola? |
| 23:43.04 | dsghrrt456 | hi |
| 23:43.22 | webchat754 | hi my grasshopper |
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| 23:44.06 | dsghrrt456 | im progrmin one thin |
| 23:44.12 | o2T7 | "hi my grasshopper" == "hola, pequeño saltamontes" |
| 23:44.28 | dsghrrt456 | and i hola |
| 23:44.32 | webchat754 | si, queria decir eso, pero me faltó lo de pequeño xD |
| 23:44.37 | o2T7 | xD |
| 23:44.46 | dsghrrt456 | de dejeje |
| 23:45.03 | dsghrrt456 | oye, el nombre de esta sala es debian? |
| 23:45.06 | ma3x | how do you merge segments of a video |
| 23:45.17 | webchat754 | con una almoada delante |
| 23:45.27 | dsghrrt456 | o debian aha , |
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| 23:45.43 | dsghrrt456 | pero es debian 8 ? |
| 23:45.44 | o2T7 | de habla inglesa |
| 23:45.47 | markybob | !es |
| 23:45.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:46.27 | dsghrrt456 | o solo ok |
| 23:46.31 | dsghrrt456 | gracias |
| 23:46.45 | dutchfish | !apt-fu |
| 23:46.45 | dpkg | methinks apt-fu is gaining the dark art of mastering apt completely, giving you to ability to use your skills in debian testing or sid. apt-fu is not a package, but refers to the difficulty of installing and mastering something else then debian stable. The term was first used by Guerin. |
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| 23:47.29 | Guerin | dpkg, apt-fu =~ s/The term was first used by Guerin.// |
| 23:47.29 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 23:47.37 | Guerin | it predates me by years |
| 23:48.25 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 23:49.41 | webchat754 | goodbye friends |
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| 23:50.53 | superfirelord42 | Guerin: so what did that command tell the bot to do? |
| 23:55.05 | magyar | hi, is there a way to check why syslog stops rotating logs? |
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| 23:57.10 | dutchfish | magyar_: look at /etc/cron.dayly and check that cron/anacron does its job |
| 23:57.27 | dutchfish | s/dayly/daily |
| 23:58.06 | Guerin | superfirelord42: replace `The term was first used by Guerin.' with `' |
| 23:58.43 | superfirelord42 | ah |
| 23:58.56 | superfirelord42 | ty, this bot is really interesting, it knows all... |
