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| 00:08.33 | jodd | I want to install iceweasel 3.0 |
| 00:08.43 | jodd | I see it's in experimental repository |
| 00:09.02 | jodd | but when I tried to add it to synaptic it doesnt show up |
| 00:10.00 | jodd | it still shows the 2.x version |
| 00:10.25 | magyar | dutchfish: let me rephrase. syslog is rotating fine, than aout of the blue it just stops rotating |
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| 00:10.55 | magyar | only the /var/log/syslog file , the rest are fine |
| 00:11.03 | magyar | damaged package? |
| 00:11.32 | dutchfish | magyar is it out of normal proportions, or more then the FS allows? |
| 00:13.05 | dutchfish | magyar, another option might be a process not playing nice to syslog (locking it up somehow) so logrotate chokes on it |
| 00:13.27 | magyar | dutchfish: hmm, not really, all is normal but usual size 15MB but if it stops rotating it will kill var in metter of weeks |
| 00:14.13 | dutchfish | magyar, mmm... checked the health of your drive? |
| 00:14.19 | WormFood | ugh! There is a command line tool that will resize a picture (jpeg), and I can't for the life of me remember it's name...anyone here remember what it is called? |
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| 00:15.05 | jodd | imagemagick? |
| 00:15.06 | magyar | dutchfish: no issues there, its a G3 proliant dl380 with RAID1 for all six drives |
| 00:15.15 | vvd | trying to create a debian package for my app i get: dh_gencontrol |
| 00:15.19 | vvd | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} |
| 00:15.35 | jodd | I want to install experimental packages, what should I add to sources.list ??? |
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| 00:16.26 | JordiGH | Recommended 3d filesystem browser? |
| 00:16.28 | WormFood | yeah jodd, that sounds familiar |
| 00:16.39 | dutchfish | magyar, whats the last line in that particular syslog file? |
| 00:16.58 | magyar | dutchfish: the biggest biatch is, if i try to restart the server, it will freeze at "Stopping syslog" |
| 00:17.36 | magyar | "Stopping syslogf" |
| 00:17.40 | magyar | "Stopping syslogd" |
| 00:17.45 | magyar | grrr |
| 00:18.04 | dutchfish | magyar, and the line before that? |
| 00:18.45 | magyar | dutchfish: there is really no last line, the /var/log/syslog will just stop rotating and keeps growing larger and larger |
| 00:19.24 | dutchfish | magyar, what permissions on syslog file? |
| 00:20.12 | jodd | , |
| 00:20.20 | jodd | what is the codename for experimental? |
| 00:20.23 | jodd | anyone? |
| 00:20.28 | dutchfish | magyar, should be something like -rw-r----- 1 root adm 510457 jun 2 02:18 |
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| 00:24.18 | magyar | dutchfish: yeap exactly same |
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| 00:24.36 | magyar | jodd: sid |
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| 00:24.50 | dutchfish | no sid is unstable |
| 00:25.07 | magyar | i tought it was same thing |
| 00:25.12 | magyar | thought |
| 00:25.52 | JordiGH | Wow, doesn't look like anyone thinks 3d filesystem browsers are cool anymore. |
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| 00:26.28 | JordiGH | It's all about desktop this, exposé that, dashboard that. |
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| 00:27.31 | jodd | sid includes iceweasel 3.0? |
| 00:27.51 | JordiGH | !info iceweasel |
| 00:27.53 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7930 kB, Installed size: 24432 kB |
| 00:27.57 | JordiGH | No. |
| 00:28.00 | jodd | .. |
| 00:28.09 | jodd | it says "experimental" for the repository on http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 00:28.14 | jodd | how do I add that to sources.list? |
| 00:28.17 | jodd | when I try it doesnt work |
| 00:28.47 | jodd | this is one area that apt really fails |
| 00:28.47 | JordiGH | Once you enabled experimental in your sources.list, you have to explicitly say you want to use it when you call aptitude. |
| 00:28.59 | JordiGH | aptititude install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 00:29.05 | jodd | what about snaptic ? |
| 00:29.09 | jodd | synaptic* |
| 00:29.21 | JordiGH | What area is that? Letting you break your own system? Yeah, it tries hard to fail at that. |
| 00:29.32 | jodd | firefox 3.0 has been out for months |
| 00:29.34 | mimcpher | Experimental won't work as a complete system |
| 00:29.44 | mimcpher | jodd, technicially it isn't even out now. |
| 00:29.50 | jodd | .. |
| 00:29.52 | jodd | jesus I just want it to be easy |
| 00:29.59 | jodd | apt is so much better than rpm |
| 00:30.02 | mimcpher | Just grab from experimental. |
| 00:30.05 | mimcpher | It isn't that difficult. |
| 00:30.10 | dondelelcaro | jodd: only beta releases have been, and it's trivial to install. You just can't do it by default. |
| 00:30.13 | JordiGH | jodd: I think you have to tell synaptic to let you use the experimental source. |
| 00:30.14 | jodd | that's the point, it apperently is difficult |
| 00:30.26 | dondelelcaro | jodd: you just go aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel; it's trivial. |
| 00:30.36 | jodd | but I want the latest to show up in synaptic |
| 00:30.37 | JordiGH | jodd: "aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel" and hush. :-) |
| 00:30.46 | JordiGH | No you don't. |
| 00:30.46 | jodd | ok ok |
| 00:30.48 | dondelelcaro | jodd: then select the package and select the version that you want in synaptic |
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| 00:30.58 | jodd | yes I'm not a little baby |
| 00:31.09 | JordiGH | You don't ever want experimental to be the default source for packages. |
| 00:31.10 | dondelelcaro | doesn't use synaptic, so can't tell you exactly how to do it |
| 00:31.21 | jodd | but I do |
| 00:31.30 | JordiGH | jodd: Alright, hose your system like real men do. |
| 00:31.34 | dondelelcaro | jodd: no, you don't. There are packages in experimental that are *known* to be broken. |
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| 00:31.48 | jodd | yes well, if the dependencies are broken that is a problem |
| 00:31.56 | jodd | if the software doesnt work who cares |
| 00:31.57 | dondelelcaro | jodd: not just the dependencies... |
| 00:32.19 | dutchfish | magyar, maybe you can run lsof against it and run logrotate manually to see what happening, or syslogd is in someway broken, hard to tell yet |
| 00:32.23 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, if you really want to shoot yourself in the foot, read about pinning. |
| 00:32.34 | jodd | sometimes I have become agitated and rm -rf /var or /etc |
| 00:32.41 | jodd | so I just reinstall ;) |
| 00:32.49 | Supaplex | right... |
| 00:33.07 | dondelelcaro | well, then you have personal issues that you need to resolve. We're not psychiatrists here. |
| 00:33.12 | jodd | but seriously, I think iceweasel should be at least in testing |
| 00:33.17 | JordiGH | It appears that Gmail can't scan .tar.gz files for viruses, but it's quite happy to break zip encryption to scan those instead. |
| 00:33.23 | jodd | I have been using it on windows for like 6 months :P |
| 00:33.24 | dondelelcaro | jodd: uh... it *IS* in testing |
| 00:33.27 | mimcpher | jodd, Select iceweasel in synaptic. Then choose Package menu > Force Version. |
| 00:33.36 | Supaplex | !info iceweasel testing |
| 00:33.37 | jodd | are you sure it is in testing? |
| 00:33.39 | mimcpher | dondelelcaro, I think he means the 3.0 betas. |
| 00:34.02 | jodd | if you aren't using 3.0 you have no idea of the performance improvement |
| 00:34.04 | dondelelcaro | the 3.0 rcs aren't in testing, becuase testing is (ideally) always in a state that we could release with |
| 00:34.08 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.14-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 7930 kB, Installed size: 24432 kB |
| 00:34.09 | jodd | it's like 10x faster |
| 00:34.15 | dondelelcaro | jodd: of course I'm using 3.0; it crashes every 24 hours. |
| 00:34.23 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:34.31 | jodd | I have never had it crash on windows |
| 00:34.36 | jodd | must be a problem with the linux kernel :O |
| 00:34.36 | dondelelcaro | knows very well how "release quality" that particular piece of software is |
| 00:35.01 | jodd | and I run it continuously, suspending the computer rather than rebooting |
| 00:35.04 | Supaplex | don't get your shorts in a knot, unless you have backtraces to prove it |
| 00:35.26 | Supaplex | for all we know it's a plugin you didn't install on windows |
| 00:35.30 | dutchfish | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel |
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| 00:35.44 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: it really shouldn't crash even in the face of bad plugins... |
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| 00:36.00 | Supaplex | in 3.x? |
| 00:36.01 | jodd | plugins dont run in their own processes |
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| 00:36.06 | mimcpher | dondelelcaro, good luck with that though. Firefox plugins can bring it to its knees. |
| 00:36.11 | dondelelcaro | jodd: they do if they're written correctly. |
| 00:36.21 | jodd | umm |
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| 00:36.30 | dondelelcaro | see gnash for a prime example |
| 00:36.34 | Supaplex | that's what I'm implying, that maybe a plugin wasn't written correctly. there's more than a few factors |
| 00:36.36 | jodd | ah gnash.. |
| 00:36.58 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I haven't managed to get gnash working. :-( |
| 00:36.59 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: oh, sure; though, the fact that the plugin implementation can actually kill firefox is a bug in firefox |
| 00:37.00 | Supaplex | but anyway, without hard data, we're speculating either way. |
| 00:37.20 | dondelelcaro | (a design bug, granted, but a bug in any event) |
| 00:37.20 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: apt-get install gnash didn't immediately get me YouTube viewing. |
| 00:37.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: which version? |
| 00:37.45 | jodd | anyway, is this an acceptable line: deb http://ftp.debian.org experimental main contrib non-free |
| 00:37.58 | streuner | no |
| 00:38.11 | streuner | if you have to ask, just don't use experimental |
| 00:38.12 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the 0.8.2 versions work fine here; though there was some commentary about garbage in .mozilla causing the wrong gnash to be run |
| 00:38.32 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Uh, let me see. I probably have to rudely remove the non-free Flash first. |
| 00:38.57 | jodd | your obscurantism is seriously annoying |
| 00:38.57 | magyar | dutchfish: got it, ill try to investigate and see what I can dig up. |
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| 00:38.57 | magyar | thanks |
| 00:38.57 | dutchfish | magyar, good luck |
| 00:38.57 | Supaplex | obssss what? |
| 00:39.03 | JordiGH | !tell jodd about experimental |
| 00:39.26 | jodd | I mean streuner :/ |
| 00:39.43 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 00:39.49 | jodd | we need a sources.list repository |
| 00:40.02 | streuner | and we tell you, don't use experimental |
| 00:40.17 | _saint_ | hello guys |
| 00:40.23 | _saint_ | could help me on this |
| 00:40.25 | mimcpher | If you're not capable of reading the docs, then you're not capable of using experimental :-p |
| 00:40.32 | jodd | you would also tell me not to cross the street for fear of being killed |
| 00:40.39 | JordiGH | How do you remove the non-free flash anyways? |
| 00:40.41 | Supaplex | _saint_: did you buy the girl a ring yet? |
| 00:40.45 | jodd | I assure you I have used many things without reading the documentation |
| 00:41.03 | _saint_ | we have proxy server in our school |
| 00:41.12 | mimcpher | jodd, I'd tell you not to enter a NASCAR race without learning to drive. |
| 00:41.15 | jodd | "An /etc/apt/sources.list entry for experimental is: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main" |
| 00:41.17 | _saint_ | actually i configure it using damn small linux |
| 00:41.17 | JordiGH | jodd: You can use a browser without reading the documentation. You cannot use experimental software unfit for public consumption without reading the documentation. |
| 00:41.30 | jodd | I cannot use 3.0 firefox ??? |
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| 00:41.35 | Supaplex | saillinux: darn. I fail at mind reading school. btw, DSL != debian in any way. unsupported here. |
| 00:41.40 | JordiGH | jodd: For fucks sakes. |
| 00:41.44 | jodd | :O |
| 00:41.47 | _saint_ | i downloaded a squid |
| 00:41.54 | JordiGH | jodd: "aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 00:41.55 | JordiGH | " |
| 00:42.06 | Supaplex | !experimental |
| 00:42.06 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 00:42.06 | _saint_ | sharing internet connection through clients is fine |
| 00:42.25 | _saint_ | they can browse internet and so on |
| 00:42.31 | jodd | ok sorry |
| 00:42.41 | Supaplex | !tell _saint_ -about based on debian |
| 00:42.42 | JordiGH | jodd: And you already found out what the proper deb line for experimental is. |
| 00:43.04 | Supaplex | _saint_: damn small linux falls into the <based on debian> category. sorry. :) |
| 00:43.15 | jodd | I suggested http but streuner says no |
| 00:43.17 | _saint_ | but my problem is client counld not ping hostnames, e.g. ping www.google.com |
| 00:43.24 | Lagbolt | jodd, i installed iceweasel 3.0 from experimental. works fine. but it is not suggested . . . . |
| 00:43.41 | ma3x | how can i install xvid 1.2 on debian? |
| 00:43.43 | Lagbolt | jodd, but like dpkg says . . . unless you are sure you can fix a broken system do not use it |
| 00:43.44 | mimcpher | jodd, streuner was telling you that if you need to ask, you shouldn't be using it :-p |
| 00:43.48 | _saint_ | no packets were recieved |
| 00:43.58 | jodd | I only appear to be an idiot :O |
| 00:44.07 | mimcpher | ma3x, mplayer and xine and vlc can both play xvid out-of-the-box |
| 00:44.10 | jodd | I doubt a non-functioning firefox will ruin my system though |
| 00:44.17 | Supaplex | jodd: it's not a cover story if it's true. ;) |
| 00:44.24 | jodd | ssh! |
| 00:44.33 | _saint_ | clients could not resolve hostname, but i already configure bind in proxy server |
| 00:44.35 | jodd | is in disguise |
| 00:44.40 | ma3x | mimcpher: i need xvid 1.2 to include multithread support |
| 00:44.43 | mimcpher | No, jodd, but breaking your system by improperly telling apt to get things from experimentla could. |
| 00:45.25 | JordiGH | tries removing nspluginwrapper |
| 00:45.26 | jodd | as if me ing /var didn't cause a few problems |
| 00:45.31 | jodd | rm'ing* |
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| 00:45.42 | Supaplex | take it up with the maintainer if you plan on using that experimental package. don't expect us to support it, because it's not playing by the same set of rules unstable/testing/stable play by. |
| 00:46.44 | Supaplex | for example, the last time I tried a vmware-related wrapper type package in experimental, it hosed my vmware configs. so much for the vmware machines I had on the box. |
| 00:47.14 | jodd | lol really? |
| 00:47.18 | Supaplex | yup |
| 00:47.24 | _saint_ | ok thanks anyway |
| 00:47.29 | jodd | didn't your mother always tell you to backup your data :P |
| 00:47.58 | Supaplex | oh sure now you're preaching to us :P ha! |
| 00:48.39 | jodd | to be sure, I wouldn't recommend backing anything up |
| 00:48.50 | jodd | I never have |
| 00:48.51 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Alright, I uninstalled nspluginwrapper, and looks like I have some sort of flash installed, since visiting YouTube doesn't produce a "you need flash, download here" page, and I do see an adblock tab for where the flash should be. However, I see no flash. |
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| 00:49.05 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: see what about:plugins says |
| 00:49.44 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: it says a bunch of stuff. What am I looking for? |
| 00:50.29 | JordiGH | Hm, strange. It says that the non-free flash is still enabled. |
| 00:50.40 | jodd | :( ........ E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:51.19 | streuner | jodd: Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 00:51.58 | JordiGH | streuner: Does aptitude also have that problem? |
| 00:52.05 | streuner | no idea |
| 00:52.35 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Okay, now only gnash shows up in about:plugins |
| 00:52.44 | streuner | well, i didn't get that error with aptitude, but i use mostly apt-get |
| 00:52.47 | JordiGH | But I am still not getting movies in YouTube. |
| 00:52.47 | dutchfish | magyar, this look simular https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/49165 |
| 00:54.28 | JordiGH | Does "aptitude reinstall" also set config files to the default? |
| 00:54.47 | jodd | does apt store the current distribution anywhere? |
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| 00:54.56 | jodd | for dist-upgrade I mean |
| 00:54.58 | Layertedic-sup | hello please I have damaged file (db.sql.gz) how can I repair it ?????? |
| 00:54.59 | JordiGH | The current distribution? |
| 00:55.23 | Layertedic-sup | yes |
| 00:55.28 | JordiGH | jodd: "apt-cache policy" will tell you in what order packages are preferred. Higher numbers mean higher priority. |
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| 00:55.38 | jodd | well, sid, lenny, etch, etc |
| 00:56.03 | jodd | Cache-Limit to 40MB works |
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| 00:56.44 | dutchfish | cat /etc/issue |
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| 00:58.22 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: hrm... well, it works fine for me here. |
| 00:58.35 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: I probably have a borked .mozilla thing that doesn't point to the right thing. |
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| 00:59.10 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: you could try moving it away temporarily just to see |
| 00:59.14 | jodd | you just want to remove flash? |
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| 01:00.56 | Layertedic-sup | please I have damaged file (db.sql.gz) how can I repair it ?????? |
| 01:01.01 | jodd | this resolving dependencies is taking a long time |
| 01:01.42 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Okay, this is looking better. Now something has loaded in gnash. Do I need some ffmpeg libraries to play movies now? |
| 01:03.41 | JordiGH | Hrm. I'm using the Marillat ffmpeg. I don't know if that's relevant. |
| 01:03.57 | WormFood | Layertedic-sup, read the gunzip man page for how to "repair" a damaged gzip file |
| 01:04.31 | jodd | open: 11114; closed: 4999; defer: 0; conflict: 54 No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
| 01:04.53 | JordiGH | aha! |
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| 01:05.08 | jodd | this, I am only trying to install iceweasel from experimental :( |
| 01:05.10 | JordiGH | Movie plays, blasted about half a second of sound too long, and now it plays choppy. |
| 01:05.13 | JordiGH | Progress! |
| 01:05.14 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it shouldn't matter |
| 01:05.35 | poseidon | jodd, I just got on to ask about installing iceweasel on testing :) |
| 01:05.43 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah, it's not perfect, but it's surprising how good it is |
| 01:05.48 | jodd | yea well you mean 3.0 ? |
| 01:06.03 | jodd | it's not in testing unfortunately, because debian is slow to approve anything |
| 01:06.23 | jodd | this is frustrating because it is easier to install on windows |
| 01:06.29 | poseidon | I'm on lenny, and I get that it depends on some myspell-en-us |
| 01:06.31 | JordiGH | Is anyone besides Mozilla distributing Firefox 3? |
| 01:06.41 | jodd | I tried just to download firefox 3.0 but it needs gtk+ 2.10 |
| 01:07.01 | jodd | besides? |
| 01:07.10 | magyar | dutchfish: a bit different in my case, I dont have a "logging" issue per say. I have a rotation issue the allows the "syslog" file to overfill the /var partition. |
| 01:07.23 | JordiGH | Oh, Ubuntu is. |
| 01:07.56 | dutchfish | magyar, going horizontal, catch you tommorrow |
| 01:07.58 | magyar | dutchfish: also I have many systems running etch with same setup, but only this one system has the issue with /var/log/syslog |
| 01:08.06 | JordiGH | ow, ow, ow my ears! |
| 01:08.06 | magyar | dutchfish: night |
| 01:08.17 | JordiGH | gnash is not doing a good job with the sound. :-( |
| 01:08.32 | JordiGH | It also seems to be ignoring alsa's volume control, |
| 01:08.38 | JordiGH | But the video is playing fine. |
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| 01:10.20 | jodd | this apt scoring business is really not very good |
| 01:10.32 | jodd | I should just write a replacement for apt |
| 01:10.37 | JordiGH | You do that. |
| 01:10.38 | jodd | it would be easier |
| 01:10.40 | jodd | :( |
| 01:11.46 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
| 01:12.12 | jodd | wtf, when I try to force version of iceweasel on synaptic, it wants to remove like 100 packages |
| 01:12.21 | jodd | cries |
| 01:12.32 | JordiGH | apt-get isn't very smart and synaptic uses apt-get. |
| 01:12.33 | dondelelcaro | jodd: because experimental is based on unstable, primarily. |
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| 01:12.42 | jodd | which is unstable, sid? |
| 01:12.45 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 01:12.55 | jodd | this is totally ridiculous |
| 01:12.59 | keila | mdadm: DegradedArray event detected on md device /dev/md0 what can i do about this? i cant find any other info except this in the logs |
| 01:13.06 | JordiGH | Experimental needs a codename. Do sid's barbie dolls have names? |
| 01:13.12 | jodd | why would it want to remove other packages? |
| 01:13.20 | jodd | I dont understand |
| 01:13.29 | _saint_ | when this unstable packages become stable? |
| 01:13.55 | WormFood | JordiGH, hoe about "explodimental"? |
| 01:13.55 | christefano | has anyone know ssl-blacklist to have false positives? |
| 01:14.00 | WormFood | how* |
| 01:14.24 | christefano | known* |
| 01:14.43 | jodd | synaptic doesnt explain why it wants to remove packages |
| 01:14.49 | Lagbolt | _saint_, well it has to work its way into testing first . . . and to get into stable it has to be in testing when they freeze it for the next release i believe |
| 01:15.11 | WormFood | I call sid "unuable" (because it breaks, nearly every time, if you don't keep it upgraded on a regular basis) |
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| 01:15.59 | Nyle | unuable? |
| 01:16.08 | jodd | can someone explain why it would want to remove packages, when all I am trying to do is install something? |
| 01:16.25 | Sling | maybe installing something new makes other packages obsolete |
| 01:16.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | theres a conflict |
| 01:16.31 | Nyle | jodd, pastebin the entire output of aptitude |
| 01:16.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | *theres there could be |
| 01:16.46 | WormFood | jodd, perhaps those packages were installed as a dependency for something else that is no longer installed? |
| 01:16.46 | Lagbolt | jodd, because of dependencies |
| 01:16.52 | jodd | I was trying it in synaptic |
| 01:16.58 | Nyle | synaptic is a pos |
| 01:17.08 | jodd | ya :/ |
| 01:17.18 | Nyle | get with the program bro man dude |
| 01:17.23 | Nyle | type stuff :) |
| 01:17.25 | jodd | I hope another apt-get upgrade will fix everything |
| 01:17.27 | WormFood | also, sometimes (I think), packages are removed and merged with other packages, and in cases like that, the older packages are no longer needed |
| 01:17.39 | jodd | it wanted to remove 'gimp' |
| 01:17.46 | jodd | I can't figure it out |
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| 01:18.00 | cizzi | how do i format an sd card under linux in ext2? |
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| 01:18.31 | Nyle | cizzi, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ERJ&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=sd+card+ext2&spell=1 |
| 01:18.31 | jodd | mkfs.ext2 |
| 01:18.33 | Lagbolt | jodd, are you breaking your system just so you can have iceweasel 3.0? |
| 01:18.35 | Nyle | that might help |
| 01:18.37 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:18.41 | WormFood | cizzi, the same way for format any drive under linux |
| 01:18.43 | christefano | has anyone known ssl-blacklist to have false positives? |
| 01:18.44 | jodd | Lagbolt, yep :) |
| 01:18.48 | Nyle | jodd, oh don't do that |
| 01:19.10 | Nyle | jodd, you should get firefox 3 from them, and unpack to ~/.firefox3/ and use that |
| 01:19.10 | cizzi | that doesnt help me |
| 01:19.16 | cizzi | im running this on an ngw100 |
| 01:19.23 | jodd | I already tried, but it needed gtk+ 2.10 |
| 01:19.32 | Nyle | jodd, so install the gtk2 libs |
| 01:19.32 | jodd | which is in experimental probably :P |
| 01:19.33 | WormFood | what is an "ngw100"? does it run debian? |
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| 01:19.39 | Nyle | hm |
| 01:19.48 | jodd | anyway, the apt-get upgrade is pulling from sid |
| 01:19.49 | cizzi | WormFood - google for ngw100 |
| 01:19.51 | Lagbolt | jodd, why would you do that? |
| 01:19.54 | Nyle | what is ngw100 |
| 01:20.00 | WormFood | cizzi, clearly you don't want help |
| 01:20.09 | cizzi | i'm helping you the way you helped me |
| 01:20.15 | cizzi | later |
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| 01:20.34 | Lagbolt | jodd do you normally run etch? |
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| 01:20.36 | Surfer26 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
| 01:20.54 | jodd | I dont remember what I installed with |
| 01:20.55 | Nyle | spam! |
| 01:21.04 | Lagbolt | jodd, you dont remember? |
| 01:21.05 | WormFood | cizzi, this isn't the right channel to ask, because it does not run debian |
| 01:21.14 | jodd | it says 40r3 |
| 01:21.18 | jodd | whatever 40r3 is |
| 01:21.40 | Nyle | WormFood, go to mcdonalds and ask for a jumbo jack w/ cheese |
| 01:21.53 | jodd | so ppl, how would I get apt-get upgrade to pull everything form experimental? :D |
| 01:21.57 | Nyle | its kinda like going to #debian to ask general ##linux questions |
| 01:21.59 | Nyle | :) |
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| 01:22.11 | jodd | from* |
| 01:22.11 | amphi | jodd: you do not want to do that |
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| 01:22.33 | WormFood | Nyle, I don't eat at M.C. Donalds :P |
| 01:22.39 | jodd | I do! |
| 01:22.40 | titii | Hey guys, how can I check the version of ImageMagick on the server? Thanks |
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| 01:22.47 | Nyle | jodd, fatso! |
| 01:23.02 | WormFood | can you get a banana, or pineapple pie from your MCDonalds? |
| 01:23.09 | Nyle | no |
| 01:23.12 | jodd | It's like a "don't do that" gangbang here |
| 01:23.12 | WormFood | I can :P |
| 01:23.20 | amphi | jodd: no you don't; you may think you do, bit that's something else |
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| 01:23.42 | Nyle | but in our country our mcdonalds has like six piece camel nuggets, and like a quarter pounder camel w/ cheese, camel tossed salad |
| 01:23.45 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 01:23.50 | Nyle | its halal too |
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| 01:23.56 | jodd | what do I really want then? |
| 01:24.09 | WormFood | Nyle, what country is that? (I'm in China, BTW) |
| 01:24.11 | jordigh | I'll tell ya whatcha want, what you really really want. |
| 01:24.21 | Nyle | WormFood, I'm kidding (its known that I'm somewhat pakistani ) |
| 01:24.22 | jodd | uyghur china ? :P |
| 01:24.24 | Nyle | hehe nm |
| 01:24.29 | amphi | Nyle: what's the problem with beef in .pk? BHP on your case? ;) |
| 01:24.33 | Nyle | jodd, you should stop wanting to run ff3 |
| 01:24.35 | Nyle | jodd, j/k |
| 01:24.43 | Nyle | jodd, just install the gtk2 libs ff3 asks for |
| 01:24.48 | WormFood | here you can get a big mac dog burger ;) |
| 01:24.51 | jodd | I want to pull everything from experimental |
| 01:24.53 | jordigh | What does Firefox 3 do that's so cool anyways? Did they fix the memory leak? |
| 01:24.54 | Nyle | jodd, if they are not available, you'll have to build em |
| 01:24.54 | jodd | this is my new goal for today |
| 01:24.59 | Nyle | jodd, don't do that |
| 01:25.02 | Nyle | !experimental |
| 01:25.02 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 01:25.09 | jodd | so anyway, if I did want to do that how would I? |
| 01:25.16 | Nyle | look at stuff in all caps |
| 01:25.18 | jodd | full disclosure plz |
| 01:25.22 | amphi | jodd: work away, but don't expect help with such a task |
| 01:25.24 | Nyle | if unclear, please read again |
| 01:25.25 | jordigh | jodd: If sid is the boy that breaks toys in Toy Story, experimental should be named after one of his toys. |
| 01:25.42 | Nyle | sid == still in devel. |
| 01:25.45 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:25.59 | jodd | ... |
| 01:26.11 | amphi | Nyle: backronymist! |
| 01:26.14 | Nyle | jodd, do as you please, just that no one will support you here |
| 01:26.18 | Nyle | amphi, indeed, pin. |
| 01:26.19 | jodd | what if some taleban terrorists hold a gun to my head and say "apt-get upgrade from experimental" |
| 01:26.24 | jodd | I will be KILLED!!! |
| 01:26.28 | amphi | pon |
| 01:26.38 | jordigh | Sally. |
| 01:26.39 | Lagbolt | jodd, have fun |
| 01:26.40 | jodd | you wouldn't want to kill me would you? ;( |
| 01:26.42 | amphi | jodd: or mulcted, at the least |
| 01:26.49 | jordigh | The ugly barbie doll in Toy Story is called sally. |
| 01:27.00 | Nyle | jodd, dude.. pakistan has nothing to with terrorists... |
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| 01:27.06 | Nyle | your joke was uncalled for |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:27.21 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 01:27.22 | jodd | joke? (it is really happening omz) |
| 01:27.23 | Lagbolt | jodd, i dont care either way |
| 01:27.23 | Nyle | if you don't stop buggin me i'll come and terrorize YOU personally and then kick your butt |
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| 01:27.40 | jordigh | jodd, congratulations, not only are you being annoying about Debian, but now you're just being bigoted and offtopic. |
| 01:27.52 | jodd | Nyle, isn't in offtopic so I cant bug him there |
| 01:28.32 | jodd | sighs |
| 01:28.47 | jodd | I am not actually a troll |
| 01:28.54 | jordigh | No? |
| 01:29.02 | Nyle | no he isn't |
| 01:29.17 | Nyle | he just needs to calm down and pull his head out of mozilla's ass :) |
| 01:29.27 | JordiGH | I think you're lying, Mr Trolly McTroller: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/trolling.jpg |
| 01:29.29 | Nyle | now you're on etch i take it, and you want ff3? |
| 01:29.30 | amphi | that isn't a bridge behind him, in the shadows? |
| 01:29.42 | jodd | yeah |
| 01:29.46 | jodd | but it's upgrading to sid |
| 01:29.47 | Nyle | whats the best way for him to do this? looks like he screwed up his system while trying to update |
| 01:29.50 | Nyle | or something |
| 01:29.57 | Guerin | !sid upgrade |
| 01:29.58 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 01:29.58 | Nyle | well if you going to sid already then just let it go |
| 01:29.58 | Lagbolt | jodd, you do this . . . apt-get -t experimental upgrade & rm -rf / |
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| 01:30.09 | Nyle | get ready for no help |
| 01:30.13 | jodd | ok thx lagbolt |
| 01:30.20 | jodd | should I do that from root? |
| 01:30.20 | Guerin | Lagbolt: people get banned in here for that sort of thing |
| 01:30.24 | Nyle | upto testing is supported for people not working on debian or people finding bugs or w/e |
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| 01:30.33 | Lagbolt | Guerin, well he should have been banned a while ago |
| 01:30.35 | Nyle | Lagbolt, what the fuck. |
| 01:30.41 | Lagbolt | Guerin, i see people get banned for less |
| 01:30.41 | streuner | Lagbolt: dude, don't do this ever again! |
| 01:30.47 | jodd | i cant help it, there are no ops :O |
| 01:30.47 | Nyle | Lagbolt, please don't give bullshit and stupid advice like this again |
| 01:30.50 | Guerin | Lagbolt: not him ... you |
| 01:30.57 | Guerin | anyway |
| 01:31.07 | Nyle | Lagbolt, he isnot causing trouble, he is not troling, he is just wanting ff3 |
| 01:31.09 | Nyle | calm yourself |
| 01:31.27 | Guerin | the rules with sid are that 9if you want it, you gets to find out how to do it yourself. THat goes double for experimental. And all you get from us is derisive laughter when you want help. |
| 01:31.31 | Guerin | FYI |
| 01:31.37 | Nyle | basically in a nutshell |
| 01:31.39 | streuner | Lagbolt: that's no fun |
| 01:31.43 | Nyle | if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. |
| 01:31.47 | jodd | maybe I am trolling a little, but my suggestion next time is to meet trolling with silence |
| 01:31.53 | Lagbolt | Nyle, he is wanting it but he is obviously not going about it correctly, he has been warned about offtopic, called out for bein insulting and not listening to any advice |
| 01:31.58 | jodd | it is much more effective, debate eggs them on |
| 01:32.02 | Nyle | he admits to trolling |
| 01:32.12 | Nyle | I am now stepping off |
| 01:32.18 | Nyle | have fun working out ff3 |
| 01:32.23 | jodd | psychology 101, etc |
| 01:32.30 | jodd | shuts up |
| 01:32.35 | Guerin | finally |
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| 01:33.06 | Nyle | finally I moved |
| 01:33.49 | JordiGH | Wtf. |
| 01:33.55 | JordiGH | "I'm trolling, but it's your fault?" |
| 01:34.04 | Nyle | JordiGH, dude he shut up already |
| 01:34.06 | Nyle | don't provoke him. |
| 01:34.23 | felosis | everyone type /clear and lets move on |
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| 01:35.27 | Nyle | well now i gotta call the cable people and get my thing cut off and then re-attached at the new apt |
| 01:35.34 | Nyle | i may not be online for a week or more :( |
| 01:35.47 | Nyle | im sure some of you will be very happy about that ;) |
| 01:36.52 | streuner | argh, can't sleep |
| 01:36.55 | Lagbolt | Nyle, good luck with that . . .. hope you dont get R@p3d on connection fees |
| 01:37.28 | Nyle | streuner, whats your local time |
| 01:37.43 | streuner | Mo 2. Jun 03:37:42 CEST 2008 |
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| 01:38.15 | Nyle | so you are about 6 hours ahead of me |
| 01:38.21 | Nyle | is gmt -5 |
| 01:38.38 | superfirelord42 | is cst -6 |
| 01:38.51 | Nyle | in fact, in about 45 minutes, its about to be 4:20am where you are streuner |
| 01:38.59 | Nyle | *wink wink* |
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| 01:39.22 | Nyle | streuner, you got work in the morning dude? go to bed |
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| 01:49.15 | vlad | hey ppl |
| 01:49.31 | vlad | can somebody help me to install ati x1550 driver? |
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| 01:52.28 | syro | hi |
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| 01:55.05 | deadbeef_ | hi there, i'm using debian lenny; it's a while i use network-manager to manage my connections and it worked like a charm since now |
| 01:55.17 | deadbeef_ | maybe last aptitude upgrade fscked something up |
| 01:55.31 | deadbeef_ | anyone is experiencing a similar problem ? |
| 01:56.35 | jodd | ? |
| 01:56.44 | deadbeef_ | i mean |
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| 01:56.56 | deadbeef_ | network-manager detects my wireless network |
| 01:56.58 | Cromag | vlad: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/41671-need-help-installing-ati-drivers-again.html could this help ? |
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| 01:57.11 | deadbeef_ | but when i try to connect to it, it tries to, but then it disconnects suddendly |
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| 01:57.45 | superfirelord42 | deadbeef_: have you checked your wifi with another computer? |
| 01:57.52 | deadbeef_ | yes |
| 01:57.58 | deadbeef_ | with vista it works like a charm |
| 01:58.07 | deadbeef_ | and it used to work with lenny too |
| 01:58.15 | deadbeef_ | (using network-manager) |
| 01:58.50 | wols | !tell vlad about ati |
| 01:59.06 | deadbeef_ | same thing with cable |
| 01:59.17 | wols | deadbeef_: then find out what error messages network-manager hands out when it disconnects |
| 01:59.18 | superfirelord42 | hmmm... i have had this issue before with ubuntu, never found out the cause.... |
| 01:59.31 | superfirelord42 | but the cable worked fine on mine.... strange... |
| 01:59.37 | deadbeef_ | when i connect an ethernet cable and enable network-manager, it tries to connect, but then disconnects after a few moments and restarts |
| 01:59.55 | felosis | deadbeef_ hard to say what the issue is since youre using testing :) |
| 01:59.58 | deadbeef_ | and now i disabled network-manager and did it all manually |
| 02:00.08 | Guerin | network mangler is NOFP |
| 02:00.10 | deadbeef_ | wols: no errors |
| 02:00.20 | deadbeef_ | i looked in /var/log/ for a few hours |
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| 02:00.22 | Guerin | file bugs or complain to the authors |
| 02:01.38 | Cromag | vlad: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33902663 maybe |
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| 02:51.50 | sonnie | what's this info mean during boot time? "Authentication cannot retrieve authentication info" |
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| 02:56.28 | WormFood | sonnie, that is just a random message, designed to make people ask questions :P |
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| 03:07.35 | RossK | Hey, does anyone know if a debian server can host an ISO for PXE-compatible clients? I've found a few tutorials on using kernel images for thin-clients, but non for ISOs or anything like that. |
| 03:08.18 | WormFood | RossK, I'm 99% sure that will work |
| 03:08.19 | Nyle | you need to boot a netboot kernel that also supports mounting an iso and then using it |
| 03:08.25 | Nyle | afaik, only knoppix does that |
| 03:08.34 | WormFood | yeah, I was just about to mention knoppix |
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| 03:08.57 | Nyle | RossK, unless you mean that you want to boot a netboot kernel, and have a debian iso in the same dir to begin installation? sure |
| 03:08.58 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 03:08.59 | dpkg | well, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
| 03:09.19 | WormFood | I installed PXE support for booting Linux on my network....and I remember seeing stuff about booting from ISOs, but not sure if it was related to PXE or not |
| 03:09.43 | Nyle | you can't boot from iso if kernel can't mount the iso first |
| 03:09.52 | Nyle | so you need to load a kernel with a bootloader |
| 03:09.53 | Hydroxide | ~/ |
| 03:09.54 | apt | ~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix |
| 03:09.55 | Nyle | a kernel not on the iso |
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| 03:10.06 | Nyle | Hydroxide, hey |
| 03:10.18 | Hydroxide | Nyle: oops. that was a stray keystroke |
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| 03:10.19 | Nyle | now.. if grub could boot iso that would be wicked |
| 03:10.21 | Hydroxide | or a few of them |
| 03:10.24 | Nyle | Hydroxide, :) |
| 03:10.28 | Hydroxide | sorry about it :) |
| 03:10.39 | WormFood | RossK, are you trying to boot an ISO over pxe? |
| 03:10.42 | Nyle | nah, its cool, I had no idea what ~/ was ;) |
| 03:10.44 | RossK | Yes |
| 03:10.48 | RossK | Effectively |
| 03:10.54 | Nyle | RossK, easy |
| 03:11.00 | Nyle | RossK, use knoppix |
| 03:11.12 | Nyle | boot the knoppix kernel with the hdd iso mount cheat codes |
| 03:11.16 | Nyle | afaik on debian, not possible |
| 03:11.22 | WormFood | see how knoppix does it....I forget the command that does it |
| 03:11.23 | Nyle | I experimentd a few months ago |
| 03:12.49 | Nyle | you can serve up live cds even over pxe |
| 03:12.52 | RossK | Sorry, do you mean knoppix on the server side? |
| 03:13.02 | Nyle | yes of course |
| 03:13.30 | Nyle | RossK, why though? what are you trying to do |
| 03:13.40 | Nyle | maybe there are some other better options for you if you tell us |
| 03:13.54 | Nyle | wants to toke... |
| 03:14.02 | Nyle | damit |
| 03:14.04 | RossK | Ah. The server is already set up using a moderately modified ubuntu server. I have about 20 laptops with no CD drives that all support PXE. I want to be able to install an OS on each one via PXE |
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| 03:14.31 | Nyle | RossK, i know how to on debian, though I think the other ubuntu might be the same |
| 03:14.36 | Nyle | RossK, consult the debian install guide |
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| 03:14.52 | Nyle | especially chapters 3-5, read 4 and 5 is most important |
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| 03:15.01 | RossK | I'll have a read, thanks |
| 03:15.02 | Nyle | !ig |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 03:15.07 | Nyle | there ya go :) |
| 03:15.11 | RossK | :) |
| 03:15.21 | RossK | bots are always good |
| 03:15.27 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 03:15.27 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 03:16.09 | sonnie | wormfood, the information after that is 'ID "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 03:16.11 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 03:16.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database by stew @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 03:16.38 | Nyle | I personally prefer to use the frontend for personal searching |
| 03:16.48 | Nyle | its highly effective and convenient and much faster than dpkg on irc. |
| 03:16.57 | Nyle | one hellua resource |
| 03:17.15 | RossK | Wow |
| 03:17.19 | RossK | This is awesome |
| 03:17.45 | RossK | I bet there's a really obvious link on the homepage that I missed, too :) |
| 03:17.47 | WormFood | RossK, see if this answers your questions http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 03:17.48 | Nyle | RossK, tip: put *blah* wildcards around all your queries on the web frontend, and you'll get all the factoids in the list with that keyword |
| 03:17.53 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 03:18.02 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:18.21 | abrotman | i thought he said he was going to change it to always do wildcard |
| 03:18.44 | Nyle | I think he did |
| 03:18.55 | Nyle | behaviour has changed now that you mention it, no need for enclosing in * |
| 03:19.00 | Nyle | sweet |
| 03:19.57 | Nyle | goddamit im getting restless I crave a smoke right now wow and I don't even smoke |
| 03:20.02 | Nyle | wth is going on in the world tonight |
| 03:20.03 | RossK | It's funny, no matter what distro I move to, I always come back to debian... not really on purpose, it just happens |
| 03:20.25 | Nyle | RossK, dude you've no idea how many times I'ive heard people say that in here over a coruse of 8 years |
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| 03:21.17 | RossK | It was my first distro, back when sarge was released |
| 03:21.22 | Nyle | I tried a lot of distributions and in 2001 someone told me to use debian and i did and ican't get away form it |
| 03:21.32 | Nyle | I tried using gentoo and ubuntu and other stuff and nothing satisfies me |
| 03:21.44 | Nyle | i was using potato |
| 03:21.52 | RossK | I like ubuntu as well, but there's something so appealing about a debian net install |
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| 03:21.58 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:22.06 | Nyle | I tried to do ubuntu netinstall one time |
| 03:22.14 | Nyle | first of they don't even make it available easily |
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| 03:22.26 | Nyle | you have to go into a mirror of yoru chioce and go deep into a dir to find the installer |
| 03:22.37 | RossK | yeah |
| 03:22.57 | Nyle | oh and check this out, i was trying to complie fglrx on ubuntu one time, and it said "you can't compile this cuz you don't have contrib non-free enabled" |
| 03:23.00 | Nyle | hahaha :) |
| 03:23.04 | Nyle | that was on ubuntu |
| 03:23.15 | RossK | heh |
| 03:24.20 | Nyle | RossK, and in the ubuntu version of the python script that is used in reportbug package, the settings file has ubuntu servers, but the script self in the .py file is still mentioning the debian BTS in ubuntu |
| 03:24.24 | Nyle | hehe :) |
| 03:24.32 | Nyle | ubuntu sucks, debian rules |
| 03:24.42 | RossK | I wouldn't go that far :) |
| 03:25.01 | RossK | Ubuntu is great at some things, particularly autoconfiguring things. |
| 03:25.15 | RossK | The whole merit of that is lost when you want to configure something yourself |
| 03:25.19 | Nyle | ubuntu needs to autoconfigure itself out of my life :) |
| 03:25.33 | RossK | yeah |
| 03:25.48 | RossK | like the whole network interface thing |
| 03:25.55 | Nyle | even some of the hardcore debian people here use ubuntu |
| 03:25.57 | Nyle | but won't admit it |
| 03:26.01 | Nyle | publically ;) |
| 03:26.16 | RossK | really? |
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| 03:26.24 | Nyle | im sure there are some |
| 03:26.26 | Nyle | I know a few |
| 03:26.33 | Nyle | in real life |
| 03:26.36 | Nyle | tha are here too |
| 03:26.38 | dondelelcaro | none that I know of who aren't paid to work on Ubuntu |
| 03:26.46 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, users, not developers |
| 03:26.54 | dondelelcaro | oh; no clue about users |
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| 03:26.57 | RossK | haha |
| 03:27.00 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:27.02 | RossK | users don't matter :) |
| 03:27.08 | Nyle | what! |
| 03:27.13 | Nyle | users are ALL that matter |
| 03:27.13 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:27.34 | RossK | yeah, sarcasm isn't obvious on IRC |
| 03:27.45 | RossK | should've used tags or something |
| 03:28.33 | Nyle | RossK, </sarcasm> |
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| 03:28.38 | Nyle | there are tags for everything ;) |
| 03:28.59 | smacnay | wols, well, it worked - thanks for your help (backporting nvidia drivers). |
| 03:29.13 | Nyle | smacnay, you backported nvidia drivers? |
| 03:29.19 | Nyle | good job dude |
| 03:29.20 | smacnay | I used the commands you gave... and remembered to m-a a-i nvidia |
| 03:29.31 | Nyle | smacnay, thats not a quite so easy task |
| 03:29.50 | smacnay | Nyle, I made sure I remmed out the "sid" references I put in my sources.list file |
| 03:29.52 | smacnay | hehe |
| 03:30.06 | smacnay | If not, I would have had 360 updates and been using sid. |
| 03:30.11 | Nyle | ahh yes, you can just use deb-src for sid and never have to remove it |
| 03:30.30 | Nyle | just build whatever you need to from source in stable |
| 03:30.42 | Nyle | if on etch, just use -t unstable |
| 03:30.49 | Nyle | er.. (lenny) |
| 03:30.54 | smacnay | How do I do that? Is that like pinning? |
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| 03:31.01 | Nyle | !pinning |
| 03:31.02 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 03:31.37 | smacnay | Ah - the apt.conf file and adding the line for "testing" as the default |
| 03:31.47 | Nyle | smacnay, read on |
| 03:31.59 | smacnay | And selecting with the -t unstable option only those files wanted from sid? |
| 03:32.07 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:32.29 | Nyle | e.g. apt-get install -t unstable smb4k |
| 03:32.36 | smacnay | I did everything but create the appropriate apt.conf file and use "-t unstable". |
| 03:32.39 | Nyle | will install smb4k from sid on your testing machine |
| 03:32.46 | smacnay | neat |
| 03:34.03 | Nyle | smacnay, google for free debian ebooks, look on debian administration website, debianhelp.co.uk and debian.net forums too |
| 03:34.11 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 03:34.16 | Nyle | learn to google inside mailing lists |
| 03:34.21 | Nyle | etc etc |
| 03:34.28 | smacnay | I am glad I upgraded this nvidia driver. It was wonking my machine. |
| 03:34.38 | Nyle | smacnay, which card? |
| 03:34.41 | smacnay | It was really old. |
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| 03:34.50 | smacnay | Nyle, uhmm... hang on |
| 03:35.09 | tenzind | Hi.. I was using jigdo to download the first CD of debian for i386. It fails at the last moment by saying it cannot download the file libsqlite3-0_3.5.8-4_i386.deb. I could not find this deb on any mirror .. Now, is all the other data that i downloaded useless?? |
| 03:35.16 | Nyle | smacnay, /exec - -o echo `lspci|grep VGA` |
| 03:35.21 | smacnay | Nyle, geforce 7800 GS |
| 03:35.27 | Nyle | not bad |
| 03:35.36 | Nyle | I like to overclock nvidia stuff |
| 03:35.37 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:36.09 | smacnay | Nyle, I got it second hand from a guy who buys tomorrow's stuff. I have had it for about 8 months and, other than fan noise, like it very much. |
| 03:36.49 | smacnay | How does compiz work in sid? Does it eat into mem (mem leaks) or is it really stable? |
| 03:36.50 | Nyle | smacnay, replace the fan with a thicker heatsink |
| 03:37.00 | Nyle | make sure its buffed nicely and apply some thermal cmpound |
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| 03:37.01 | smacnay | Nyle, I might try that. |
| 03:37.08 | Nyle | loves noiseless pcs |
| 03:37.12 | smacnay | Nyle, thanks... |
| 03:37.16 | Nyle | sure |
| 03:37.23 | smacnay | loves noiseless pc's too. |
| 03:37.28 | Nyle | smacnay, unstable will always be unstable |
| 03:37.41 | Nyle | smacnay, compiz works well e nough under sid, but for you i dont' recommend sid |
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| 03:37.52 | Nyle | you need more time :) |
| 03:38.01 | smacnay | Nyle, do you think the 7800 will work with a heat sink? Or will it overheat? |
| 03:38.18 | Nyle | 7800 doesn't run that hot |
| 03:38.23 | Nyle | smacnay, ##hardware |
| 03:38.32 | Nyle | there are some nvidia hackers there |
| 03:38.38 | Nyle | should find some good answers |
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| 03:38.56 | smacnay | I have no interest in using sid. I put it on years ago when I was really new to linux and scraped through some major breaks (this would be pre-sarge). I now use testing at most. |
| 03:39.02 | Nyle | I have x1900xt ati radeon, runs about 90-100C under load |
| 03:39.07 | smacnay | Nyle, thanks for the tip. |
| 03:39.09 | Nyle | I took the heatsink off and it was nasty |
| 03:39.14 | Nyle | horribly scratched up |
| 03:39.30 | Nyle | so i buffed it up a lot, applied arctic silver paste, and now undr full load it don't go past 70C |
| 03:39.42 | Nyle | I dropped the temp 30C just by that, and no more artifacts either |
| 03:39.56 | Nyle | now I can actually OC it by another 50MHz and its good |
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| 04:02.28 | mhall | So, if I identified a package which does not protect itself properly against a security problem introduced by another package, should I report the bug at severity critical, or severity normal. Also, should it be reported through the normal BTS or someplace special for security bugs? |
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| 04:07.21 | hoxu | mhall, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities - critical/grave only mention security holes |
| 04:07.33 | DanDare | Hello. Joomla 1.0.13 is compatible with mysql 5 ? |
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| 04:08.24 | hoxu | mhall, I guess the "security" tag is used to denote bugs that have a security impact |
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| 04:09.41 | hoxu | mhall, what kind of security problem is it? |
| 04:09.56 | DanDare | damn sorry wrong channel |
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| 04:12.04 | jmd | Whenever I boot testing none of the nfs mounts in /etc/fstab work. It hangs for 5 minutes trying to mount them, and then gives up. But when I do mount -a everything is fine. Has this bug been reported? |
| 04:13.13 | felosis | jmd does it give you an error upon boot while its hanging? |
| 04:13.43 | Guerin | jmd: ask the BTS. It's not a bug with NFS, it's a bug with the boot script order - probably it's trying to mount the shares before the network has come up. |
| 04:15.00 | jmd | felosis, No. Just says "Waiting for /var/mail ......" |
| 04:16.59 | jmd | Guerin, That's what I thought, but it would seem that it comes after the network utils are up. |
| 04:17.15 | tenzind | Hi.. is there a debian mirror from where i can get libsqlite3-0_3.5.8-4_i386.deb .. the latest mirror contains a newer version. |
| 04:18.02 | Guerin | jmd: try mounting it as late as possible - start the nfs services at S99. If that works then you have something to work with. |
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| 04:18.12 | Guerin | tenzind: snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:18.35 | jmd | Guerin: I'll try it. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 04:24.28 | n3kl | I am trying to get logins to authenticate to an ldap server I have setup. I have followed the doc at http://wiki.debian.org/PAMLDAPSetup, and I would think this should handle it, but I am still not able to login as a user that I have setup in the ldap database. What am I missing? |
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| 04:27.27 | tenzind | Guerin: thanks .. but i cannot find libsqlite3-0_3.5.8-4_i386.deb in the snapshot archives. The snapshot lists only version 3.5.8-2 and earlier. Am trying to download debian weekly-build iso using jigdo and it fails saying it cant find libsqlite3-0_3.5.8-4_i386.deb |
| 04:28.44 | felosis | tenzind you can always compile from source if you must have the latest and not always greatest :) |
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| 04:30.21 | tenzind | felosis: but the jigdo iso download needs *that* specific version .. :( |
| 04:30.43 | felosis | thats kind of weird... |
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| 04:41.49 | smacnay | is there going to be continued support for k7 images? I see that 2.6.24 is in testing but not for k7 |
| 04:43.51 | Lagbolt | smacnay, using 686 now |
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| 04:45.39 | grml | exit |
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| 04:51.00 | smacnay | Lagbolt, works "as is"? |
| 04:51.15 | Lagbolt | smacnay, what? |
| 04:51.20 | Lagbolt | oh 686? |
| 04:51.24 | smacnay | yes |
| 04:51.40 | Lagbolt | if you running k7 and upgrade k7 will be metapackage to upgrade you to 686 |
| 04:51.46 | Lagbolt | works just fine |
| 04:52.02 | Guerin | tenzind: have you looked to see if it's still available in testing or stable? |
| 04:52.25 | smacnay | Lagbolt, thanks |
| 04:52.36 | smacnay | I will just install the latest 686 then. |
| 04:52.53 | Nyle | smacnay, what kinda cpu you have |
| 04:52.57 | felosis | Guerin i think tenzind has |
| 04:53.46 | smacnay | Nyle, Athlon 2800 |
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| 04:57.09 | tenzind | Guerin: stable has version 3.3.8-1 and testing has 3.5.9-1 . cant find 3.5.8-4 which is referenced to by the .jigdo file :( |
| 05:00.48 | smacnay | Nyle, 686 kernel will work on an Athlon 2800? I assume so. |
| 05:01.04 | Guerin | tenzind: well, it will eventually find its way into snapshot |
| 05:01.22 | Guerin | unsure what to do about it in the mean time, though you might google the filename |
| 05:04.10 | tenzind | Guerin: google finds the exact deb filename . but it directs me to debian mirrors which doesnt have that package. Funny google .. |
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| 05:05.03 | Lagbolt | smacnay, yes |
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| 05:21.06 | legis | How can I set vim as default instead of nano? |
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| 05:24.04 | legis | cahoot: ? |
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| 05:25.04 | legis | cahoot: ok it has a man page :) |
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| 05:25.56 | checkers | hi, what controls log rotation of /ar/log/messages and /var/log/syslog on debian? There doesn't seem to be anything about them in logrotate's configuration, yet they are being rotated |
| 05:26.18 | legis | cahoot: but you can set it from the shell right? |
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| 05:27.33 | smacnay | Nyle, well, the new kernel should be here - now to reboot and then set up the nvidia stuff |
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| 05:36.30 | jmd | Can somebody with a recent install of testing tell me what they have in /etc/rcS.d ? |
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| 05:38.19 | smacnay | I am running a new .deb kernel and nvidiafb is automatically run. It conflicts with my use of the nvidia driver. How do I tell the system to not use nvidiafb on boot? |
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| 05:42.15 | N0Lif3 | Hello |
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| 05:46.22 | N0Lif3 | How should I modify my sources.list to get the most recent updates on programs? It's quite pathetic that by this default sources.list I'm using such old versions of software. Like, at the moment, compiz 0.2.2.1 is the latest version I can get through aptitude. |
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| 05:47.51 | jmd | N0Lif3, deb http://ftp.uwa.edu.au/debian/ unstable main |
| 05:48.09 | jmd | change that url to whatever is local to you |
| 05:48.14 | markybob | that's a great idea...give total newbies unstable without them knowing that they're getting into |
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| 05:48.20 | markybob | smart |
| 05:48.25 | smacnay | hmm, blacklisting nvidiafb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local with "blacklist nvidiafb" did not work. I even ran 'dpkg -reconfigure linux-image-'uname -r'. Any ideas on this? |
| 05:48.36 | jmd | He asked for the most recent updates |
| 05:48.37 | markybob | N0Lif3, dont do that unless you want a broken box |
| 05:48.49 | markybob | !tell N0Lif3 about backports |
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| 05:49.14 | felosis | that was pretty dumb jmd, backports is the solution |
| 05:49.38 | jmd | backports doesn't have everything |
| 05:50.08 | markybob | you still dont tell newbies to use unstable. ever. you didnt even warn him that it'd probably have problems |
| 05:50.10 | felosis | jmd then from there if its like wine they can enable a repo for that instead of going unstable |
| 05:50.40 | jmd | Did he say he was a newbie ? |
| 05:50.43 | N0Lif3 | Hey, I'm not going to take offense, but please refrain from calling me a "newbie." |
| 05:50.50 | felosis | did he say he was not a newbie? lol :) |
| 05:50.58 | markybob | jmd, he doesnt know how to get newer packages. how is that not a newbie? |
| 05:51.14 | N0Lif3 | I've been using Debian for years, I'm just a bit rusty on the desktop front. |
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| 05:51.57 | markybob | N0Lif3, you do it on a server the same way you do it on a desktop |
| 05:52.35 | jmd | How do you do it on a photocopier? |
| 05:53.03 | markybob | jmd, if you want to give bad advice, please go elsewhere |
| 05:54.02 | mimcpher | Maybe for lulz this week I'll install a pure unstable system |
| 05:54.06 | jmd | markybob: It may have been bad advice in your opinion. But I wasn't offering it to you. So please mind your own business. |
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| 05:54.41 | markybob | hell, let's start telling everyone to just try `rm -rf /` for the hell of it |
| 05:54.53 | mimcpher | jmd, it is bad advice, and this is a public channel, so discussion is open for anybody in it. |
| 05:55.12 | jmd | Well if somebody asked "how do I delete all my files" then that would be the correct answer. |
| 05:55.26 | felosis | jmd no thats not proper rofl |
| 05:55.38 | markybob | jmb, no, even then it wouldnt be. |
| 05:56.05 | felosis | jmd if they wanted to destroy the whole install yes but not delete their files in the home folder rofl |
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| 05:57.30 | N0Lif3 | Well, what repository do you guys use to get the latest, STABLE releases of software? |
| 05:57.45 | jmd | No The answer to that would be "rm -rf ~" |
| 05:57.57 | drwahl | i am using mdadm for my raid. i forget how to check the devices which make up the raid. i thought it was something along the lines of 'cat /proc/mdstat' or 'cat /dev/md'... how do i find the devices in the raid? |
| 05:58.03 | felosis | im almost willing to bork my old fileserver trying to replace the apt sources with unstable and running a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 05:58.04 | jmd | N0Lif3, deb http://ftp.debian.org/ stable main |
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| 05:58.19 | Zoup | does debian has any debug kernel ( compiled with -g ) available ? |
| 05:58.33 | jmd | N0Lif3, markybob will probably tell you this is also bad advice. But that's his problem. |
| 05:58.47 | markybob | i think i hurt his feelings. aww |
| 05:58.53 | mimcpher | Eh, that would be stable N0Lif3. However, "testing" is possibly suitable for a desktop, though you should be aware of the risks. |
| 05:59.00 | N0Lif3 | jmd: should I just overwrite the one that is already there saying "etch main" at the end with "stable main?" |
| 05:59.12 | mimcpher | N0Lif3, etch is stable. |
| 05:59.35 | mimcpher | N0Lif3, releases have a number, codename, and status. Currently, etch is the stable release. |
| 06:00.05 | mimcpher | N0Lif3, lenny is in testing right now, and will eventually become stable, at which time etch will be oldstable. |
| 06:00.24 | mimcpher | Stable is suitable for production machines. |
| 06:00.34 | N0Lif3 | well crap. Aptitude offers up to version 0.2.2.1 of Compiz. While at the official site, they offer 0.6.2 (Stable) |
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| 06:00.53 | N0Lif3 | on my default sources.list settings, mind you. |
| 06:00.59 | markybob | !info etch compiz |
| 06:01.02 | jmd | N0Lif3, Have you done apt-get update ? |
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| 06:01.05 | N0Lif3 | yes |
| 06:01.12 | N0Lif3 | and apt-get upgrade as well |
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| 06:01.17 | markybob | N0Lif3, etch only has 0.2.2-1. which official site are you talking about? |
| 06:01.43 | N0Lif3 | http://compiz.org/ |
| 06:01.57 | mimcpher | N0Lif3, Lenny (testing) has 0.6.3 |
| 06:01.57 | markybob | N0Lif3, what they say has nothing to do with what debian has. http://packages.debian.org/compiz |
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| 06:02.32 | mimcpher | etch-backports has 0.5.2 |
| 06:03.04 | N0Lif3 | I know, but I would hope that Debians repositories would've had a more recent version than ancient 0.2.2.1 |
| 06:03.12 | markybob | N0Lif3, anyway, use backports, or lenny, if you're willing to run into a few problems and get a little dirty sometimes. while being away that lenny is *not* as stable as etch |
| 06:03.21 | markybob | s/away/ware |
| 06:03.28 | markybob | aware* damnit :P |
| 06:04.54 | felosis | N0Lif3 you have to understand that before a release is made all the applications are locked for quality control, compiz has progressed alot! thus the version differences, thankfully backports comes into play and can give you a still stable but more current system vs going into testing or unstable |
| 06:05.04 | mimcpher | N0Lif3, debian stable has been extensively tested for stability, so packages tend to be a little bit older. |
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| 06:06.19 | felosis | !backports |
| 06:06.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 06:06.42 | mimcpher | A handy factoid! |
| 06:06.58 | N0Lif3 | I will most certainly read more into backports |
| 06:07.44 | felosis | fyi, backports.org hasnt been updated since sept 07 though >.< |
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| 06:09.10 | antixogh | is there an easy way to downgrade from testing to etch/stable? |
| 06:09.20 | markybob | !downgrade |
| 06:09.21 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade> |
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| 06:10.09 | antixogh | ok thanks |
| 06:10.55 | simonrvn | felosis: um, what? |
| 06:11.10 | markybob | i'm sure he meant the site, not the packages |
| 06:11.26 | markybob | simonrvn, i hope so, anyway :P |
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| 06:12.11 | felosis | yea the website is a little dated but most of the mirrors have updated etch packages :) |
| 06:12.26 | antixogh | is there an easy way to make a list (download script) of every thing I have installed so I can load the list from my fresh install? |
| 06:12.30 | simonrvn | the web site, yes. |
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| 06:13.01 | markybob | !reinstall |
| 06:13.01 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 06:14.41 | antixogh | sweet thanks |
| 06:15.09 | jmd | When I boot lenny, udevd calls nss_ldap But at that point no network has been configured to it fails. |
| 06:16.00 | mimcpher | on the topic of reinstall ... I'm backing up /etc, /home, and a list of installed packages. Is there anything else of critical importance I should be keeping? |
| 06:16.47 | markybob | mimcpher, depends on what it is. /var/www for web servers, /var/mail for mail servers, etc |
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| 06:18.05 | markybob | mimcpher, for a desktop system that should be fine, though |
| 06:18.28 | simonrvn | jmd: which makes it totally useless |
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| 06:18.52 | simonrvn | jmd: better to remove the effing thing and MAKEDEV /dev the good old fashioned way |
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| 06:20.56 | mimcpher | markybob, yeah. This is a dev machine. Nothing much of value in /var |
| 06:21.00 | jmd | Is there an easy way to reset all the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d to the way they are on install? |
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| 06:21.36 | simonrvn | no |
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| 06:22.52 | markybob | you could try something like: for x in `ls /etc/init.d/`; do update-rc.d $x defaults; done |
| 06:23.04 | markybob | your millage may vary :P |
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| 06:24.38 | jmd | Ah well time I did a clean install I think. |
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| 06:28.48 | Steveanders | Hi... I m using webmin on debian. When i logged into webmin.. i got following error in Users and group section... http://pastebin.com/dc9ff01a |
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| 06:31.51 | markybob | Steveanders, #debian really isnt the best place to ask about webmin :P /msg dpkg webmin |
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| 06:53.37 | mateusz | Hi |
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| 06:54.23 | mateusz | after installing upstart, any apt-get dist-upgrade cause removal of it, and installs sysvinit however after that shutdown -r now does not work nor -h.. so I doubt it works.. |
| 06:54.26 | mateusz | a bug? |
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| 06:57.02 | plota | hello, has there been a fix for the gnome-baker yet? |
| 06:57.19 | plota | or do i still have to use the command line for data burns |
| 06:57.20 | felosis | mateusz what release are you running |
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| 06:57.32 | markybob | !bts |
| 06:57.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 06:57.53 | markybob | go see. whichever bug it is you're talking about |
| 06:57.58 | plota | yeah, the maintainer never sent me an email back |
| 06:58.02 | Jabop | Hey all, apt-get is hanging at 0% [Waiting for headers] regardless of what repo I'm trying to get something from. |
| 06:58.13 | plota | although i spent a while running it through debug and stuff |
| 06:58.36 | felosis | Jabop does your isp require a proxy? can you ping google.com? |
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| 06:58.53 | Jabop | felosis: no, ping successful |
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| 06:59.16 | felosis | Jabop can you ping the repo? (i.e. mirror.xmission.com) |
| 06:59.16 | markybob | plota, the latest bug reports for that package is hundreds of days old |
| 06:59.24 | markybob | plota, meaning, you should report a bug if there is one |
| 06:59.41 | plota | i did |
| 06:59.53 | plota | got an automessage sent to my email, but nothing else |
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| 07:00.06 | felosis | mateusz upstart is experimental on debian, i wish you luck =) |
| 07:00.10 | markybob | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnomebaker |
| 07:00.11 | crazyfrog | i want to configure some kernel modules ,in some manual it says the /etc/modules.conf is the right place.but in my debian etch ,there is no .is it because it should not have or i have not install the right package? |
| 07:00.14 | Jabop | felosis: I'm sure it's the standard Debian repo, I'm trying to apt-get install subversion |
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| 07:00.19 | plota | only thing it has to do is use growisofs to burn dvd data files |
| 07:00.25 | plota | i can give that command a list and it burns them |
| 07:01.03 | felosis | Jabop yea but if its not connecting either its in there wrong or something else is wrong, i would maybe try another mirror inplace of what your sources.list has |
| 07:01.24 | plota | same ones that were there when i looked over them |
| 07:01.43 | mateusz | felosis: sysvinit has too over 30 outstanding bugs |
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| 07:02.48 | felosis | mateusz yes but if your trying to install upstart that can screw up your sysvinit (if i recall doesnt it replace it in some way?) none the less its experimental not even in testing so im doubting its anywhere usable |
| 07:03.27 | felosis | ^anywhere near usable |
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| 07:06.40 | sonnie | i met "no more processes left in this runlevel" problem, is it because of small definination of processes in kernel? how to adjust the kernel? |
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| 07:07.44 | Steveanders | Hi.. I want to add a ftp user and it's home directory should be at /var/www/abc.. what is the step? |
| 07:07.56 | Jabop | felosis: Now it's hanging @ 99% |
| 07:08.39 | Jabop | apt-get update, that is |
| 07:08.52 | markybob | Steveanders, install vsftpd and read the docs. http://vsftpd.beasts.org |
| 07:09.27 | felosis | Jabop w00t! lol |
| 07:09.53 | felosis | Jabop did you change the mirror or did it just start working? |
| 07:10.33 | Steveanders | markybob: i've already proftpd |
| 07:10.33 | mateusz | felosis: init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl after shutdown -r now with sysvinit |
| 07:10.36 | Jabop | I commented out a mirror, apt-get update... uncommented it, apt-get update. Now it's getting all the updates, freezing @ 99% |
| 07:10.43 | Jabop | ^ felosis |
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| 07:14.16 | crazyfrog | i want to configure some kernel modules ,in some manual it says the /etc/modules.conf is the right place.but in my debian etch ,there is no .is it because it should not have or i have not install the right package? |
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| 07:15.02 | mbroeker | crazyfrog, the file is called modules without the .conf extension |
| 07:15.06 | liable | modprobe.d is the right directory to make files for that sort of thing |
| 07:15.10 | felosis | mateusz i really cant help you with that as on ubuntu it just worked its still experimental in debian so you may wish to check out who maintains the package and email them |
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| 07:34.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:34.06 | dpkg | * helo makes hosts a+rw and moves on |
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| 07:47.43 | Trollinator | is there a way to install a deb package and automatically resolving dependencies? |
| 07:47.58 | Trollinator | s/resolving/resolve/ |
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| 07:54.45 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all I am trying to install my linux kernel headers using apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` I get E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 07:54.58 | sysadmin-lb22 | Although I did do apt-get update..any clues ? |
| 07:55.12 | Pinaraf | hi |
| 07:55.24 | Pinaraf | I'm trying to recompile my debian kernel with a custom DSDT |
| 07:55.37 | Pinaraf | but make-kpkg always overwrite my configuration |
| 07:55.46 | Pinaraf | what is the right way to do it ? |
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| 07:56.58 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, dude, you're running sarge? |
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| 07:57.37 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, I am not that good at deiban this is not my system where cna I check ? |
| 07:57.53 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, that's ancient. cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:58.12 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, 3.1 |
| 07:58.15 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, anyway, you should apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-4-386 kernel-headers-2.6.8-4-386 ....and upgrade to etch as soon as possible |
| 07:58.47 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8-4-386 |
| 07:59.07 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-4-386 |
| 07:59.13 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, apt-get update |
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| 08:00.32 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, did apt-get update same result ..the apt-get update finished successfully |
| 08:00.53 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, even apt-cache search kernel | grep header does not show that package |
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| 08:01.03 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, I will pastebin my sources.list |
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| 08:01.23 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, http://packages.debian.org/sarge/kernel-headers-2.6.8-4-386 and http://packages.debian.org/sarge/kernel-image-2.6.8-4-386 |
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| 08:02.10 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.18 | sysadmin-lb22 | http://pastebin.ca/1036694 |
| 08:02.18 | markybob | !pt |
| 08:02.19 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 08:02.45 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, wow |
| 08:03.06 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, :) |
| 08:03.19 | markybob | sysadmin-lb22, change stable to sarge, then apt-get update, install the packages i said, and seriously upgrade to etch asap |
| 08:03.40 | sysadmin-lb22 | markybob, will upgrade asap |
| 08:03.40 | sysadmin-lb22 | thx |
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| 08:06.45 | liable | Pinaraf: try the --config option. it reads the config in /proc iirc if the running kernel was built with that feature enabled |
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| 08:07.12 | Pinaraf | liable: and what if the kernel wasn't built with that feature ? |
| 08:07.15 | Pinaraf | I wanna enable it |
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| 08:07.37 | liable | it sounds like it was enabled, because its reading the config.. |
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| 08:09.37 | jmd | Why the hell does /etc/rcS.d have links to *all* the /etc/init.d files? |
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| 08:11.32 | Pinaraf | liable: it is not enabled in the debian kernels |
| 08:11.55 | Pinaraf | and when I edit the .config file, make-kpkg will override it and disable the custom dsdt option |
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| 08:12.04 | markybob | jmd, it doesnt. only to those enabled. read the README file in /etc/rcS.d |
| 08:12.42 | jmd | Yes. I've read that. |
| 08:12.45 | markybob | Pinaraf, after editing it, you need to `make oldconfig` |
| 08:12.53 | markybob | Pinaraf, then make-kpkg wont overwrite |
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| 08:13.46 | jmd | the README says that all of them get executed *even when booting single user* So it's clearly inappropriate for all of them to be there? |
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| 08:15.17 | Pinaraf | markybob: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 08:16.10 | Pinaraf | (I think I did that, but I'm not sure at all) |
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| 08:19.59 | rati | Hey I have menu on top how can I out it to bottom? |
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| 08:21.08 | mbroeker | rati, do you mean the standard gnome taskbar? |
| 08:21.54 | markybob | what does "out it to bottom" mean? |
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| 08:22.06 | n0ah | out it man, yea |
| 08:22.10 | n0ah | that's what i thought |
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| 08:23.04 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 08:23.09 | n0ah | hey! |
| 08:23.20 | sobersabre | I'm using xfs, and I don't seem to make quota work. |
| 08:23.34 | n0ah | never tried |
| 08:23.40 | n0ah | sorry |
| 08:23.52 | n0ah | what problem are you having? |
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| 08:23.56 | markybob | hrm. what do you mean it doesnt work? |
| 08:24.14 | sobersabre | I am using xfs's quota and xfs_admin tools, but quota for users does not work. |
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| 08:24.23 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 08:24.23 | dpkg | doesnt work is probably Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:24.27 | sobersabre | the quota imposing commands work withouterror messages. |
| 08:24.47 | sobersabre | but when I'm trying to quote the quota I get nothing. |
| 08:24.51 | n0ah | sobersabre: quota has to be enabled in fstab |
| 08:24.56 | markybob | sobersabre, try #xfs |
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| 08:25.05 | sobersabre | n0ah: it has. |
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| 08:25.25 | sobersabre | markybob: I've tried. I think it's a sleeping chan. |
| 08:25.29 | sobersabre | no reaction. |
| 08:25.31 | n0ah | so when you type 'quota' it shows nothing even after setting it? |
| 08:25.34 | n0ah | not quite sure i see what you mean |
| 08:25.41 | sobersabre | n0ah: yes. |
| 08:26.21 | n0ah | did you reboot? or use the 'quotaon' command? |
| 08:26.45 | n0ah | shrug |
| 08:26.53 | sobersabre | n0ah: assume I got into xfs_quota -x |
| 08:27.13 | sobersabre | before issuing this command I did chdir to the root of that fs. |
| 08:27.23 | sobersabre | cd /my/xfs/root |
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| 08:27.29 | sobersabre | ran xfs_quota -x |
| 08:27.39 | sobersabre | then typed in: |
| 08:27.57 | jmd | I thought xfs was the X font server |
| 08:27.58 | sobersabre | limit -u bsoft=50m bhard=55m user01 |
| 08:28.17 | sobersabre | jmd: ambiguity... |
| 08:28.22 | n0ah | sobersabre: dunno sorry |
| 08:28.36 | sobersabre | but, XFS, SGI's filesystem was there first. |
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| 08:29.17 | n0ah | what's it good for? i thought zfs was the hype these days |
| 08:29.22 | n0ah | it must have something it does better |
| 08:29.33 | sobersabre | xfs has a very cool "project quota". |
| 08:29.41 | sobersabre | and it's quite fast. |
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| 08:29.56 | sobersabre | project quota works though. |
| 08:30.45 | n0ah | ah ok |
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| 08:31.44 | jmd | If I want the network to remain unconfigured when booting to (say) runlevel 3, how do I acheive that? |
| 08:32.26 | __ne2k | jmd: you'd have to change some symlinks in /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 08:32.41 | markybob | um. you realize 2,3,4 and 5 are identical? |
| 08:32.43 | __ne2k | jmd: probably change Sxxnetworking to Kxxnetworking |
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| 08:33.13 | jmd | __ne2k, That's what I thought. Unfortunately it doesn't work, because /etc/rcS.d also has a S40networking link |
| 08:33.21 | __ne2k | markybob: errm, they might be in a default install, but they're certainly not always going to be -- a user is free to change them to whatever he wants! |
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| 08:33.54 | __ne2k | jmd: hmm, bummer. you could take it out of rcS.d altogether? |
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| 08:34.26 | jmd | I tried that too. Then I couldn't boot at all. |
| 08:34.37 | __ne2k | jmd: I can't see how it would do any harm to experiment -- it's only networking after all. |
| 08:34.38 | slxix | !freedom |
| 08:34.39 | dpkg | [freedom] the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
| 08:34.51 | __ne2k | jmd: wow! what stopped it booting? how far did it get? |
| 08:35.33 | __ne2k | jmd: what is the actual ultimate goal you are trying to achieve? there might be another way round it |
| 08:36.19 | jmd | The original goal was to get the all the nfs mounts in /etc/fstab to be mounted on boot up. |
| 08:36.33 | jmd | Now the goal is to get a working system again. |
| 08:36.47 | __ne2k | jmd: so why would stopping the networking being configured help that?! |
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| 08:37.34 | jmd | I sort of assumed that all those symlinks in /etc/rcS.d must have been erroneous. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that all the postinstall scripts put them there by default. |
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| 08:38.04 | slxix | best way to learn is to break stuff :) |
| 08:38.18 | weightcan | I havent used linux in a year or two but know that debian is sweet bc of apt... what is the easiest way for me to get debian installed with a graphical installer?? |
| 08:38.26 | weightcan | thanks :) |
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| 08:38.40 | jmd | slxix, Well I must be a real scholar then! |
| 08:40.34 | __ne2k | jmd: I guess that the Debian system designers figured you'd always want those things, even in single-user moder |
| 08:40.35 | slxix | weightcan, when you boot up specify "installgui", i think. |
| 08:40.36 | __ne2k | mode* |
| 08:41.01 | slxix | jmd: have you read the README file in those directories? :) |
| 08:41.06 | __ne2k | jmd: so why are you trying to get networking not to start? |
| 08:41.14 | weightcan | is knoppix considered real debian? |
| 08:41.20 | weightcan | once its installed |
| 08:41.21 | markybob | weightcan, no |
| 08:41.29 | slxix | !knoppix |
| 08:41.29 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
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| 08:42.01 | weightcan | so im going to have problems updating software with apt if I install knoppix? |
| 08:42.11 | slxix | !knoppix |
| 08:42.11 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
| 08:42.17 | weightcan | alright ignorance |
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| 08:42.22 | weightcan | thanks |
| 08:42.24 | streuner | weightcan: use grml |
| 08:42.41 | streuner | if you need a live-CD to install Debian just use grm |
| 08:42.44 | streuner | grml* |
| 08:42.48 | streuner | !grm |
| 08:42.51 | streuner | !grml |
| 08:42.51 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 08:43.00 | weightcan | okay thank you sir |
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| 08:43.17 | __ne2k | weightcan: that's not the same thing. apt is not the same as debian. debian and a number of other distributions use apt -- it's the repositories you point apt to that determine what updates you'll get, etc. |
| 08:43.22 | deadcat | how do i rip like 1min from a dvd cd with chapters? |
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| 08:43.29 | deadcat | #mplayer is useless |
| 08:43.36 | __ne2k | deadcat: OT, but use vlc |
| 08:43.42 | deadcat | oh |
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| 08:43.49 | deadcat | __ne2k: command line vlc or gui? |
| 08:44.05 | __ne2k | deadcat: whichever you want! but, as I said, this is OT, so that's all you're getting ;-) |
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| 08:44.12 | weightcan | __ne2k thanks for the patience and explaining that... I understand linux a tad. and that helps |
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| 08:45.26 | weightcan | should I use the x64 one if I have a amd64 or is it still lacking in software for x64? |
| 08:45.31 | __ne2k | weightcan: so, e.g. ubuntu also uses apt for its package management, but it points to ubuntu's servers for the apt repositories rather than debian's. if you have a dpkg-based distribution you can always edit your apt.sources file to point to some other repositories if, for example, someone releases some packages that aren't going to be merged into the main debian |
| 08:46.13 | deadcat | __ne2k: dont see anything about ripping |
| 08:46.36 | jmd | ... but if (say) ubuntu packages work or even install on debian, think yourself lucky |
| 08:47.27 | slxix | i'd steer clear of x64. lots of things are still 32-bit based. (especially proprietary things..) |
| 08:47.47 | weightcan | thanks man |
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| 08:48.59 | __ne2k | deadcat: like I said... |
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| 08:50.22 | __ne2k | weightcan: yes, sorry, jmd is right -- I wasn't trying to say that ubuntu packages /would/ work on debian, or v.v., just trying to explain the distinctions between dpkg, apt and debian/ubuntu/knoppix/etc. |
| 08:51.19 | __ne2k | deadcat: I'll give you another crumb (because I'm nice like that ;-)) "streaming" and "transcoding" are the words you're looking for |
| 08:51.34 | sobersabre | hmmm... it seems quota works. |
| 08:51.38 | sobersabre | thanks all. |
| 08:51.41 | sobersabre | quit |
| 08:51.54 | osmosis | anyone know if it is possible to do a raid 10 with software raid? |
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| 08:52.05 | jmd | Which is an interesting point. There ought to be a "distributor" field in deb files so that dpkg can tell if they're being installed on a foreign OS. |
| 08:53.01 | __ne2k | osmosis: don't know for sure, but I was pretty sure that software raid in linux could do just about anything you could imagine |
| 08:53.13 | slxix | osmosis: have you searched google? |
| 08:53.45 | markybob | jmd, debian/changelog includes which distro it's built for. |
| 08:53.51 | __ne2k | read this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 08:53.52 | slxix | http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070926.163526.feef1441.en.html seems to think it's possible. |
| 08:54.11 | jmd | markybob, Does dpkg inspect it? |
| 08:54.20 | markybob | no |
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| 08:54.52 | __ne2k | osmosis: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.4 |
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| 08:55.09 | markybob | that's not dpkg's job. that's aptitude or apt-get's, which does respect distro repositories |
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| 08:55.38 | markybob | (which is why there's a -t in apt-get, for example) |
| 08:55.46 | ShredZ | I get plugin ccp not found when trying to start compiz. Anyone know how to resolve this ? |
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| 08:56.29 | liable | disable the plugin or install it? |
| 08:57.47 | ShredZ | liable, any idea in what package this would be ? |
| 08:58.02 | liable | ShredZ: nope |
| 08:58.13 | ShredZ | liable, any idea what plugin that would be ? :) |
| 08:58.29 | slxix | libcompizconfig maybe? |
| 08:58.30 | ShredZ | I can't seem to find it with grep in the compiz config files |
| 08:58.39 | liable | ShredZ: cpp? take a look in the compizconfig thing |
| 08:59.24 | E-bola | What would be the recomended way to mount a directory from serverA on ServerB? I would prefer to use samba or ssh, but im not sure how i get around putting in a password in fstab? |
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| 08:59.43 | default | hi |
| 08:59.46 | markybob | E-bola, sshfs |
| 08:59.46 | ShredZ | liable, when I look at the files compiz-plugins installed libccp.so is right where it should be :( |
| 09:00.22 | liable | ShredZ: check bts i guess and file a bug if its not mentioned |
| 09:00.32 | E-bola | markybob: and use certificates? |
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| 09:01.22 | markybob | E-bola, http://www.linux.com/feature/49757 |
| 09:01.24 | slxix | ShredZ: ldd <program> |
| 09:01.49 | markybob | E-bola, search for "mounted automatically" in that article |
| 09:02.14 | E-bola | markybob: yep got it, thanks thats perfect |
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| 09:03.39 | fluxdude | how do i match up the ssh key that I get in an initial ssh connection "do you accept this remote ssh host key" message against the one I find on the filesystem on that server so that if I accept the remote host key the first time I can immediately go in the filesystem and check that the one on disk matches the one I have just accepted? They seem to be different formats... |
| 09:04.30 | fireba11 | fluxdude : wth do you want to do that ? |
| 09:04.48 | slxix | fireba11: i'm still trying to comprehende what he's trying to do. |
| 09:07.11 | internat85 | umm |
| 09:07.41 | fireba11 | slxix : seems like he manually wants to compare the ssh fingerprint after accepting that host |
| 09:07.53 | internat85 | that makes sense.. kinda.. say you have file system access to that system, san or nfs or nas or some other thing.. |
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| 09:10.16 | defnet | hi |
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| 09:10.27 | jcm | hi, where is partman ? i cannot find the package containing it |
| 09:10.50 | defnet | this is debian channel, does ubuntu count? |
| 09:11.00 | streuner | no |
| 09:11.05 | slxix | is this some sort of ubuntu joke? |
| 09:11.14 | streuner | defnet: #ubuntu |
| 09:11.25 | defnet | haha |
| 09:11.27 | streuner | jcm: partman is part of d-i (debian-installer) |
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| 09:12.06 | E-bola | markybob: Seems I need cutting edge FUSE sshfs to get it mounted automatically? |
| 09:12.09 | E-bola | its not even in debian testing |
| 09:12.23 | streuner | !info partman-auto |
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| 09:13.27 | jcm | streuner: strange thing is that apt-cache search partman finds nothing |
| 09:13.28 | streuner | jcm: http://packages.debian.org/partman-auto |
| 09:14.06 | jcm | "part of udeb, shouldn't be installed on a normal system" |
| 09:14.16 | jcm | how do I partition a disk I add on my system ? |
| 09:14.16 | jmd | I give up. Why can't debian mount /var/mail on boot up ? |
| 09:15.00 | jcm | should I use only cfdisk and vi /etc/fstab ? |
| 09:15.27 | jmd | Oh or any other nfs mount for that matter./ |
| 09:16.11 | slxix | fstab mounts filesystems. you need a filesystem on the partition. |
| 09:16.23 | streuner | You don't need to mount /var/mail |
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| 09:16.50 | streuner | it should mounted normally, if you didn't make some nasty things to your system |
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| 09:17.44 | jmd | streuner, What do you mean "mounted normally"? I didn't know there was a --abnormal option to mount |
| 09:18.16 | jmd | I don't know how users are to access their mail if /var/mail doesn't exist |
| 09:18.17 | slxix | ls /sbin/mkfs.* |
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| 09:24.10 | somedude | can you use the proprietary ati drivers with debian stable |
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| 09:27.27 | rati | mbroeker: gnome taskbar, where you have application menu, places desktop |
| 09:27.58 | testi | somedude: yes |
| 09:28.37 | somedude | ok |
| 09:28.59 | trifler | !tell trifler about wlan |
| 09:30.25 | ^shark_ | has someone used qemu be4? |
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| 09:33.03 | Steveanders | Hi.. I want to install java2-runtime in debian... anyone guide me plz.. |
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| 09:33.51 | mquin | !java |
| 09:33.51 | dpkg | from memory, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 09:34.08 | mquin | !install java |
| 09:34.08 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
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| 09:35.47 | somedude | oh are there any "gotchas" or things i should watch out for installing the x86-64 debian stable |
| 09:36.11 | mquin | !java amd64 |
| 09:36.12 | dpkg | To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 09:36.13 | dmilith | sure |
| 09:36.16 | ^shark_ | !install qemu |
| 09:36.23 | jmd | somedude, Read the release notes! |
| 09:36.40 | dmilith | yea |
| 09:37.59 | dmilith | !flash amd64 |
| 09:38.17 | somedude | when debian says amd64 that means any 64 bit x86 right like c2d |
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| 09:40.29 | somedude | if you have core 2 duo and want to use more than 4 gig of ram what release should you use? |
| 09:40.32 | somedude | amd64? |
| 09:41.06 | somedude | oh god flash probably doesn't work well with a 64 bit distro huh |
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| 09:41.22 | Appiah | 32bit can only use up to 4GB |
| 09:41.39 | somedude | yeah |
| 09:41.50 | somedude | so does that mean you should use amd64 |
| 09:41.58 | somedude | even if it's an intel chipset and cpu |
| 09:41.59 | E-bola | you can just use a bigmem kernel |
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| 09:42.06 | E-bola | and it shoudl find all your memory |
| 09:42.16 | E-bola | like a 386 or 686 |
| 09:42.24 | trifler | Hurm, I have a thinkpad x60 which I want to get the wireless worikin on. Is ndiswrapper the way to go or what should I look for? |
| 09:42.31 | E-bola | unless you want to run 64bit |
| 09:42.49 | slxix | trifler, have you read thinkwiki? |
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| 09:42.51 | philsf | j perl |
| 09:43.01 | trifler | slxix: No |
| 09:43.10 | philsf | (oops) |
| 09:43.21 | trifler | slxix: .org? |
| 09:43.30 | slxix | yes. |
| 09:45.27 | trifler | slxix: Im looking ty |
| 09:49.10 | somedude | well if you have a 64 bit machine wouldn't it be better to run 64bit |
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| 09:50.56 | liable | !beat Shadowcat |
| 09:50.56 | dpkg | beats Shadowcat with a large stick. |
| 09:51.14 | slxix | somedude: it's your choice. i used 32bit because it's easier for me. |
| 09:52.17 | Bushmills | somedude: no. ig 64 bit doesn't give you advantages, 32 bit is preferable |
| 09:52.19 | Bushmills | if |
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| 09:52.50 | somedude | well that's a big if |
| 09:53.00 | somedude | besides why would it be prefereable |
| 09:53.27 | slxix | don't ignore the first part of his if statement. :) |
| 09:53.40 | Bushmills | two types of advantages: speed, and software using 64 bits. speed is only an advantage if you handle large integer numbers |
| 09:53.52 | Bushmills | otherwise, you may even experience a slight slow down |
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| 09:55.30 | wald0 | how i can convert MB's in "cylinders" ? i want to know the cylinders to do a partitioning from a script in sfdisk |
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| 09:56.10 | somedude | yeah the thing making me hesitate to use 64bit distro is the flash compatability |
| 09:56.17 | n0ah | wald0: you'd have to know how many sectors the cylinder has |
| 09:56.23 | somedude | like it or not youtube style media is not going away |
| 09:56.43 | Bushmills | wald0: tracks per cylinder * sectors per track * bytes per sector / 1024^2 -> megabytes |
| 09:56.46 | somedude | at one time people could say "who cares about flash it's just for obnoxious banner ads" but alas times have changed |
| 09:57.48 | wald0 | sounds complicated... thanks, let me see what i can do |
| 09:57.52 | badcfe | i have a bootonly iso and would like to burn that _together_ with one large additional file. how can i do this? |
| 09:58.10 | badcfe | /can/should|do i/ |
| 09:58.44 | wald0 | Bushmills: do you know if i can get this information from /proc ? |
| 09:58.47 | somedude | so if i just get the 32bit distro i can compile a kernel that will support the bigger memory? |
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| 09:59.11 | n0ah | wald0: you should be able to use fdisk to print the disk label |
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| 09:59.46 | wald0 | ok |
| 09:59.52 | Bushmills | wald0: capacity per physical cylinder is hard disk specific. bios and OS often see translated, logical values. |
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| 10:00.50 | Bushmills | so it depends a bit what you want, a "real" cylinder, or a "pretend" cylinder |
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| 10:01.13 | n0ah | also man disklabel |
| 10:01.18 | n0ah | i think you can print it with that |
| 10:02.18 | n0ah | actually i think that's a bsd command |
| 10:02.26 | n0ah | well i know it is, not sure if solaris has it |
| 10:02.53 | n0ah | but yea, fdisk can do it |
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| 10:03.48 | Bushmills | wald0: you can approximate: disk capacity in megabytes / number of cylinders |
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| 10:04.39 | n0ah | oops i'm not talking in #solaris i'm in #debian |
| 10:04.45 | n0ah | heh |
| 10:04.47 | Bushmills | shame |
| 10:05.03 | n0ah | i'm most confident fdisk does it in linux too |
| 10:05.12 | n0ah | i know it does in bsd/solaris |
| 10:05.29 | slxix | does that include darwin? :) |
| 10:05.38 | n0ah | yes. |
| 10:05.55 | n0ah | let me check out a man page |
| 10:06.27 | Bushmills | peeking at lady magazines? |
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| 10:07.30 | aNOOBis1 | Hi |
| 10:07.55 | n0ah | yes, the 'p' command to fdisk prints the cylinder/head/sector count |
| 10:08.04 | aNOOBis1 | I am a relativ noob in debian, can anybody explain to me how bridging works |
| 10:08.06 | n0ah | ie fdisk /dev/sda then type 'p' |
| 10:08.20 | n0ah | mine looks like this for an 80 gig sata |
| 10:08.21 | n0ah | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders |
| 10:08.45 | jmd | What do I need to apt-get in order to re-install gnome ? |
| 10:09.02 | n0ah | isn't it just 'gnome' ? |
| 10:09.07 | Guerin | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 10:09.12 | n0ah | ah |
| 10:09.35 | aNOOBis1 | if I create a bridge and asign a certain ip to it does this override my eth0? |
| 10:09.51 | n0ah | aNOOBis1: if eth0 is part of the bridge |
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| 10:10.17 | n0ah | but you can ping a bridge interface, so it's really not a problem |
| 10:10.22 | aNOOBis1 | mhh that is a good question |
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| 10:10.39 | aNOOBis1 | what is a tap device n0ah |
| 10:10.47 | n0ah | aNOOBis1: it's a device for accessing the MAC layer |
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| 10:11.35 | aNOOBis1 | what I am trying to do is creating a bridge and asign a tap device to a VM via a tap |
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| 10:11.53 | aNOOBis1 | I have followed a certain recepie but i am not quite sure what I am doing |
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| 10:12.03 | aNOOBis1 | plus my server ip has changed |
| 10:12.34 | n0ah | aNOOBis1: i havn't done a linux tunnel in ages :( but i know networking well |
| 10:13.08 | aNOOBis1 | how can I reset all my network settings? |
| 10:13.23 | aNOOBis1 | remove a bridge or see how many tap devices I have |
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| 10:13.59 | n0ah | hmm it is /etc/rcS.d/S40networking |
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| 10:14.05 | n0ah | run that script |
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| 10:14.23 | aNOOBis1 | that will do what? |
| 10:14.44 | n0ah | aNOOBis1: that is the script debian runs to setup networking when the computer boots |
| 10:15.06 | n0ah | so it will set things to how you had them at boot |
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| 10:15.09 | aNOOBis1 | looks like the start stop script /etc/init.d/networking |
| 10:15.16 | Od2 | Hi, I use testing, I believe lsb-base has a very serious bug which was fixed a month ago but has not entered testing, can anyone point me in the right direction to find out why this is? The package page is not helpful. Should I contact the maintainer? |
| 10:15.18 | n0ah | it's probably a symlink yes |
| 10:15.22 | aNOOBis1 | okay |
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| 10:15.51 | aNOOBis1 | well if I do a restart I still have several devices while calling ifconfig |
| 10:15.53 | n0ah | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2008-05-13 18:24 /etc/rcS.d/S40networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 10:15.56 | n0ah | :) |
| 10:16.01 | aNOOBis1 | ;) |
| 10:16.11 | aNOOBis1 | so I have learned somethin new thanks :) |
| 10:16.18 | n0ah | nod |
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| 10:16.35 | jmd | Neither gnome nor gnome-desktop-environment seem to be valid package names |
| 10:16.42 | n0ah | jmd apt-cache search gnome | less |
| 10:16.50 | n0ah | search through them, find one that is apropriate |
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| 10:17.07 | DigitalOktay | hello |
| 10:17.23 | DigitalOktay | can anyone paste the fstab with ntfs-3g? |
| 10:17.25 | n0ah | gnome-core - The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components |
| 10:17.29 | jmd | Ahh "find the one appropriate" sounds to easy! |
| 10:17.30 | n0ah | that looks interesting |
| 10:17.47 | n0ah | well you're right |
| 10:17.50 | n0ah | that does sound too easy |
| 10:17.52 | jmd | Reminds me of a solaris manual I was reading the other day. |
| 10:18.10 | jelly | DigitalOktay: LABEL=WD\040Extern\040USB/media/WD\040Extern\040USB ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,locale=hr_HR.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 10:18.20 | n0ah | gnome-desktop-environment - The GNOME Desktop Environment |
| 10:18.26 | n0ah | i think he was right jmd |
| 10:18.33 | n0ah | ;) |
| 10:18.38 | trifler | Hurm how can I see if my wlan-card is installed at all? :/ |
| 10:18.54 | jmd | It was called the ldap administrators guide. It said (after the copyright junk) 1. Stop the server 2. Reconfigure the files as appropriate 3. Restart the server |
| 10:19.18 | DigitalOktay | thx, jelly |
| 10:19.29 | DigitalOktay | jelly: this is my fstab http://paste.debian.net/4956 |
| 10:19.34 | n0ah | well it expects you to look at the man page for the configuration files |
| 10:19.37 | n0ah | why write it twice? |
| 10:20.21 | omry | I am getting a front projector with H-Sync Range: 15.0 - 100.0kHz and V-Sync Range: 50 - 120Hz , and I want to prepare xorg to output to it. gtf only accepts one refresh rate value, any idea if it's the vertical or horizontal? |
| 10:20.58 | jmd | E: Package gnome-desktop-environment has no installation candidate |
| 10:21.06 | DigitalOktay | jelly, whats worng with this fstab, i can't write to my windows partitions |
| 10:21.26 | jelly | DigitalOktay: you're using the "ntfs" driver, which is read-only |
| 10:21.33 | n0ah | DigitalOktay: did you add the 'rw' parameter? |
| 10:21.40 | zophy[] | anyone know of a vim script that will launch devhelp on a function under the cursor ? |
| 10:21.42 | jelly | n0ah: that won't help |
| 10:22.01 | n0ah | jelly: there is ntfs write support for linux, why it doesn't come default I don't know |
| 10:22.13 | n0ah | jelly: nod, you have to download it |
| 10:22.23 | jelly | n0ah: he was already given a working ntfs-3g fstab line |
| 10:22.40 | n0ah | www.linux-ntfs.org has full write support in ntfs |
| 10:22.52 | jelly | !ntfs-3g |
| 10:22.52 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 10:23.07 | DigitalOktay | i am using Debian unstable |
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| 10:24.25 | jelly | DigitalOktay: so, what seems to be the problem? Update your line for ntfs partitions to use ntfs-3g. |
| 10:24.32 | jelly | lines* |
| 10:25.08 | jelly | I presume that's why you asked for a ntfs-3g fstab example |
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| 10:25.58 | DigitalOktay | i am updated but i cant write |
| 10:26.52 | slxix | whatever happend to the function keys being located in pairs on the left side of the keyboard? |
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| 10:27.22 | jmd | slxix, Or the Ctrl key next to the A |
| 10:28.38 | jelly | slxix: what function keys? There was Stop, Again, Props, Undo etc left of the main keyboard |
| 10:29.00 | jelly | not on a pc, though |
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| 10:29.39 | jmd | jelly, There is on the pc sold by sun microsystems |
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| 10:30.08 | jelly | DigitalOktay: have you unmounted and mounted them again? What does your updated fstab look like? what does /proc/mounts look like? |
| 10:30.30 | jelly | jmd: orly |
| 10:31.25 | DigitalOktay | i updated, must i unmount and mount ? |
| 10:33.01 | jelly | DigitalOktay: yes. |
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| 10:33.41 | jelly | DigitalOktay: fstab is just a configuration file read by the boot scripts, it doesn't magically change anything on the working system |
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| 10:36.19 | zophy[] | anyone know of a vim script that will launch devhelp on a function under the cursor ? |
| 10:36.41 | zophy[] | i searched vim.org for devhelp and got zero results |
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| 10:56.31 | Juventino | wi |
| 10:56.36 | Juventino | oops |
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| 10:59.42 | digitaloktay | jelly, no permissions --> http://paste.debian.net/4982/ |
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| 11:02.08 | somedude | how can i tell what kind of nic my motherboard has |
| 11:02.19 | somedude | the documentation just calls it a "pci-e gigabit lan" |
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| 11:02.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | somedude, lspci |
| 11:02.37 | asdzxc | hi |
| 11:02.42 | asdzxc | how can i work with hot-swap HDDs ? |
| 11:02.44 | somedude | how do i run that from the installer |
| 11:02.53 | asdzxc | how can i remove them ? |
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| 11:03.23 | maex | asdzxc ? by just removing them? whats the question? |
| 11:03.39 | asdzxc | maex i just umount HDD and then remove the bay from server ? |
| 11:03.47 | mquin | somedude: "lshw -class network" |
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| 11:03.59 | somedude | how do i run that from the installer |
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| 11:04.27 | jelly | digitaloktay: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#useroption |
| 11:04.44 | jelly | digitaloktay: or run mount as root |
| 11:04.54 | maex | asdzxc yes, i do so... |
| 11:05.00 | asdzxc | maex i never worked with hot-swap disks so far and i don't want to kill them so i'm asking |
| 11:05.01 | maex | asdzxc like usb |
| 11:05.30 | maex | asdzxc i was afraid too at the first time, but i never killed a hd by doing so |
| 11:05.34 | jelly | digitaloktay: also, you didn't answer What does your updated fstab look like? what does /proc/mounts look like? |
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| 11:06.26 | somedude | so is there any way to tell what kind of nic your motherboard has from the installer |
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| 11:06.37 | jelly | digitaloktay: you can use "LANG=C your-command" to get english error messages |
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| 11:08.45 | somedude | so if i have no os installed and i want to do a net install how do i see what nic i have |
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| 11:09.17 | nevyn | somedude: if it's newish then just go with "it's PXE" |
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| 11:09.39 | digitaloktay | here is my /procs/mount http://paste.debian.net/4985/ |
| 11:10.22 | somedude | ya it's just a gigabit pci-e onboard |
| 11:10.49 | somedude | i guess i could boot up with some other distros live cd and let them autodetect it then do lspci from there |
| 11:10.56 | somedude | but well thats kind of a waste |
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| 11:11.47 | digitaloktay | jelly, here is my /procs/mount http://paste.debian.net/4985/ |
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| 11:12.40 | somedude | there's no option "pxe" in the installer |
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| 11:19.25 | sep | debian etch vserver instance i get the following on every apt command "files list file for package `perl-base' is missing final newline" when i check the list file it's binary (corrupted?) how can i replace it perl-base is a essential package ? |
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| 11:23.19 | cedric3 | hi i use vserver but i have a problem i cant add vlan thanks |
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| 11:25.07 | somedude | is there any autodetect hardware installer for debian |
| 11:25.07 | sep | cedric3, i made vlans on the host, and gave that vlan interface as eth0 to the "guest" iirc |
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| 11:26.42 | jelly | somedude: the normal installer detects hardware. |
| 11:26.53 | somedude | is the net-installer different? |
| 11:27.03 | jelly | somedude: no. what's your issue? |
| 11:27.03 | markybob | not in that sense |
| 11:27.18 | somedude | it's not doing any autodetection |
| 11:27.29 | cedric3 | sep : i don't understand on the vserver host i install package vlan make modprobe 8021q but when i try this command vconfig add eth0 30 i have Could not open /proc/net/vlan/config. |
| 11:27.33 | somedude | its just doing what looks like an old school text install from about 5 years ago |
| 11:27.50 | markybob | text install does not mean it's not detecting your hardware |
| 11:27.52 | jelly | somedude: what does not work? |
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| 11:28.03 | markybob | text install is debian's default |
| 11:28.06 | somedude | if it's asking my what my nic is that means it's not detecting my hardware |
| 11:28.29 | cedric3 | if you have any idea why it not work thansk |
| 11:28.37 | jelly | somedude: or it could mean your hardware is too new for its drivers |
| 11:28.45 | sep | cedric3, i dont do it that way. i just added vlan stancas to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:28.52 | somedude | the motherboard is a p35 |
| 11:28.57 | somedude | that came out last summer |
| 11:28.59 | somedude | its not that new |
| 11:29.12 | somedude | but im getting a x38 or whatever later this week which could be |
| 11:29.16 | jelly | somedude: debian's default 2.6.18 kernel is older |
| 11:29.24 | markybob | !kmuto |
| 11:29.24 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:29.24 | jelly | !tell somedude -about kmuto |
| 11:30.43 | cedric3 | sep : you use vserver ? because i add on the file interfaces and when restart network i have ERROR: trying to add VLAN #30 to IF -:eth0:- error: Operation not permitted |
| 11:30.54 | cedric3 | SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied .... |
| 11:31.03 | cedric3 | i am on root user |
| 11:32.37 | somedude | do those installers install stable? |
| 11:32.43 | markybob | yes |
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| 11:33.18 | gallus | hi boys |
| 11:33.26 | markybob | hi girl |
| 11:33.35 | gallus | :) |
| 11:33.44 | gallus | ok hi boys and girls |
| 11:33.45 | mquin | superstar djs.. |
| 11:33.53 | nixguy | here we go |
| 11:34.08 | mquin | : |
| 11:34.11 | mquin | :) |
| 11:34.17 | gallus | i can't configure my wireless lan to use a wpa password |
| 11:35.04 | gallus | my wireless work perfectly with any security settings but i would like to protec it |
| 11:35.06 | markybob | gallus, did you read http://wiki.debian.org/WPA ? |
| 11:35.23 | somedude | etch and half |
| 11:35.25 | somedude | this sounds good |
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| 11:35.39 | cedric3 | nobody use vserver with vlan |
| 11:35.48 | gallus | markybob: already read |
| 11:36.02 | gallus | markybob: probably i make some mistakes |
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| 11:36.59 | markybob | gallus, dpkg -l wpasupplicant says what? |
| 11:37.14 | gallus | it's already installed |
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| 11:37.34 | markybob | right, but what does it say? which version? |
| 11:38.02 | gallus | ii wpasupplicant 0.6.3-1 Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i) |
| 11:38.13 | markybob | which wireless chipset? |
| 11:38.51 | gallus | i got it with lspci... is it ok? |
| 11:39.12 | sbyrne | Is there a way to get sudo to pass the X credentials? |
| 11:39.16 | gallus | 02:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) |
| 11:39.16 | markybob | might wanna update-pciid before running lscpi |
| 11:39.17 | somedude | these kmuto installers look fantastic |
| 11:39.32 | markybob | somedude, they are |
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| 11:40.24 | gallus | markybob: what do you mean? |
| 11:40.29 | TuX_Claudiu | how can i install pidgin 2.4.2 on debian etch ? |
| 11:41.18 | markybob | gallus, wpa or wpa2? |
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| 11:42.10 | gallus | markybob: the router is set to work with wpa/wpa2 but i think that this network card does not support wpa2 |
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| 11:42.27 | gallus | markybob: so wpa |
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| 11:44.02 | gallus | markybob: i'll be back in few minutes |
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| 11:46.52 | dieg | gallus, in $few minutes? :) |
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| 11:49.07 | cedric3 | hi when i type : vconfig add eth0 44 i have ERROR: trying to add VLAN #44 to IF -:eth0:- error: Operation not permitted |
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| 11:51.27 | telmich | cedric3: as which user are you executing the command? |
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| 11:53.53 | lxsameer | is there any 64 bit driver for hsf modem that be free like dell driver? |
| 11:54.12 | cedric3 | telmich : i executing this command to root |
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| 11:54.25 | Assid | heya |
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| 11:54.43 | Assid | anyone here usign software raid.. do they break often? |
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| 11:55.25 | telmich | cedric3: perhaps you can find the error in the output of 'dmesg' |
| 11:55.50 | psilocybin | hm, i have this prob, that self-compiled kernel say unable to mount devfs and kernel panic follows. |
| 11:55.53 | psilocybin | :/ |
| 11:56.24 | cedric3 | telmich : i have nothing in dmeg i use a vserver and when i type dmesg i have nothink i don't know why |
| 11:56.31 | allyourrejects | psilocybin: did you build devfs support under filesystems? |
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| 11:56.41 | Assid | cedric3: i dont think you can access dmesg in a vps |
| 11:56.47 | psilocybin | no, i can't find it at all |
| 11:57.00 | lxsameer | is there any 64 bit driver for hsf modem that be free like dell driver? |
| 11:57.47 | cedric3 | Assid : :-( but how i can find a solution to add vlan on my vserver :-( |
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| 11:58.09 | Assid | vlan ? your using SL ? |
| 11:58.13 | psilocybin | oh, i found that i should be using mkinitramfs instead of mkinitrd. |
| 11:59.10 | cedric3 | Assid : what is SL ? |
| 11:59.18 | Assid | err nvm.. |
| 11:59.45 | Assid | cedric3: anwyays..if you run the host server.. then just add the vlan ip to the vps as well |
| 12:00.13 | somedude | hmmm that almost worked |
| 12:00.17 | somedude | it said it failed to partition the disk |
| 12:00.19 | somedude | now it wont boot at all even off the cd |
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| 12:00.35 | somedude | hmmm that almost worked |
| 12:00.37 | somedude | it said it failed to partition the disk |
| 12:00.39 | somedude | now it wont boot at all even off the cd |
| 12:00.41 | somedude | actually it wont even let me eject the cd |
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| 12:01.25 | BubbaT | I have to installation questions. |
| 12:01.31 | BubbaT | s/to/two/ |
| 12:01.39 | somedude | anyone have any advice on how to eject the installer cd |
| 12:01.40 | somedude | lol |
| 12:01.43 | cedric3 | Assid : i write the config on /var/vservers/vserver-1/etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:01.43 | somedude | its stuck |
| 12:01.50 | somedude | the install failed and now the cd drive is dead |
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| 12:02.01 | Assid | hrmm |
| 12:02.06 | Assid | are you using openvz? |
| 12:02.13 | BubbaT | I had to install a minimal version because my net was down. How can I reconitnue my installlation? |
| 12:02.29 | BubbaT | The second: should i install etch or lenny? |
| 12:02.48 | BubbaT | somedude, 1) paperclip |
| 12:03.01 | BubbaT | 2) You have another OS on that machine? |
| 12:03.04 | somedude | no |
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| 12:04.12 | cedric3 | Assid : no i am no use openvz |
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| 12:05.13 | cedric3 | Assid : i use this kernel 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 |
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| 12:06.17 | somedude | hmm ok |
| 12:06.18 | somedude | now it just wont boot |
| 12:07.12 | cedric3 | Assid : util-vserver: 0.30.212 are you any idea please ? |
| 12:07.16 | somedude | so if the machine now just refuses to boot what to do |
| 12:07.33 | somedude | it started setting up the lvm then it just died |
| 12:07.35 | somedude | and now its dead |
| 12:07.39 | somedude | meaning it wont even boot |
| 12:07.43 | somedude | thats a bit scary |
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| 12:11.22 | Coke | is there an easy way to select language when using dict? |
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| 12:11.55 | keck0f | hi. |
| 12:12.04 | somedude | hello |
| 12:13.20 | keck0f | Everytime i login using gdm i would like a certain command to be run automatically., Where should i place the command? I noticed that ~/.xession ~./xinitrc ~/.xprofile are neglected at all. Could you help? |
| 12:13.49 | markybob | keck0f, system->preferences->sessions |
| 12:14.19 | somedude | so if your install dies and then your machine won't boot what's the best thing to do |
| 12:14.22 | keck0f | markybob: what kind of path is that? |
| 12:14.28 | aNOOBis1 | can anyone help me setting up a permanent bridged network? Do I have to have an eth0 interface still in my network/interfaces |
| 12:14.32 | gallus | markybob: i'm back |
| 12:14.32 | markybob | somedude, start over |
| 12:14.43 | somedude | the key there is it won't boot |
| 12:15.18 | gallus | markybob: have you any idea? |
| 12:15.22 | aNOOBis1 | I have one eth interface namely eth0, onto this interface I want to attache a bunch of vms via taps |
| 12:15.32 | markybob | gallus, no, not really |
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| 12:15.53 | cedric3 | Assid : i see when i make modprobe a module on the server and when i type on the vserver lsmod the module is load i see on the server /proc/net/vlan but on the vserver nothink |
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| 12:16.44 | gallus | markybob: that's what i did: wpa_supplicant -ieth2 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd -B |
| 12:17.40 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 12:18.06 | markybob | keck0f, it's not a path. you said gdm, which i assumed meant you used gnome. gnome's system menu contains a preferences submenu which includes a session module, which is what loads on gnome startup |
| 12:18.20 | Bushmills | su |
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| 12:18.23 | Bushmills | oops |
| 12:18.31 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: you will obviously still have an underlying eth0 interface, as that is the physical interface, but whether or not you need to actually bring it "up", as it were, I'm not sure -- I think you do |
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| 12:19.32 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: you can use the post-up and pre-down commands in /etc/network/interfaces and put brctl in there to do the hard work for you |
| 12:19.56 | aNOOBis1 | ne2k I am experimenting with all of that |
| 12:20.20 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: start off with one VM and get that to work, and then proceed to multiple ones ;-) |
| 12:20.22 | aNOOBis1 | but I am working remote and everytime I restart my network I have to do a restart |
| 12:20.39 | keck0f | markybob: i'd like to add a command to be run independant of what session-manager to use. The command should be run on every login also on a filesave/icewm/kde login ... Any idea? |
| 12:20.59 | aNOOBis1 | well if I even got on to work, my problem is there are may ways to do this sort of things with many different tools |
| 12:21.03 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: ah... hehe. yes. I found when I did stuff with bridges that having physical access was very useful! do you have a local machine that you could experiment on until you get it right? |
| 12:21.35 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: assuming your number of VMs is just one at the moment, waht exactly are you tryign to do? |
| 12:21.41 | aNOOBis1 | well the server is not sitting to far away |
| 12:21.47 | aNOOBis1 | Yes 1 at the moment |
| 12:22.03 | aNOOBis1 | http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 12:22.04 | aNOOBis1 | http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Advanced_Networking_Linux |
| 12:22.16 | aNOOBis1 | and I am looking at these two descriptions on how to do it |
| 12:22.19 | markybob | keck0f, afaik that's what ~/.xession does. i was surprised to hear it didnt work for you |
| 12:22.26 | markybob | ~/xsession* |
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| 12:22.32 | aNOOBis1 | using virtualbox as vm |
| 12:22.34 | __ne2k | markybob: could it be a permissions issue? I don't know much about it |
| 12:22.34 | markybob | blah. ~/.xsession |
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| 12:23.30 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: virtualbox looks interesting -- I haven't heard of that before. I've tried to play with bochs before but never got very far! |
| 12:23.44 | aNOOBis1 | vbox is quite cool |
| 12:23.48 | aNOOBis1 | and very fast |
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| 12:24.22 | markybob | kvm seems to beat it most of the time. http://dipconsultants.com/bench/ |
| 12:24.22 | aNOOBis1 | and very easy to setup (except for bridging) but I have to say its my first time I encounter bridging so I am somewhat a noob |
| 12:25.30 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: that documentation on that first page looks good. where does it go wrong? |
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| 12:25.54 | lynucs | hello.. |
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| 12:26.25 | aNOOBis1 | well I am not sure what to put into the interfaces file, do i keep eth0 in and add ifac br to it |
| 12:26.36 | aNOOBis1 | or what is the diff to brctl |
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| 12:26.50 | aNOOBis1 | does brctl only create a bridge in memory |
| 12:26.58 | aNOOBis1 | and after a reboot its gone? |
| 12:27.46 | aNOOBis1 | the first one says # An entry for eth0 is no longer needed #auto eth0 |
| 12:27.52 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: do what it says in the http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox thing, comment out auto eth0 and iface eth0..., then add auto br0, etc., with bridge_ports eth0 (you don't need to use brctl as ifupdown seems to have been improved since I last looked at it) |
| 12:27.56 | lynucs | does anyone know why a .dvi is shown broken with etch's xdvi and evince (and dvipng works not properly too) ? not all .dvi-files but some more complex like using tikz-package in latexcode.. on a windows-machine the dvi is shown correclty.. where should i dig? |
| 12:28.28 | Dieterbe | Hi, i made a package ( A ) that depends on B. B has no dependencies, only recommends. so when i want to install B it will not install other packages. however, when i try to install A, it will install A, B, and the recommended packages of B ! why is this, and how can i avoid it? thanks |
| 12:28.35 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: you are correct when you say that brctl only affects the running configuration, not anything that persists across a reboot |
| 12:28.35 | aNOOBis1 | okay I will try that, adding a static interface as if I would with an eth0 |
| 12:28.53 | aNOOBis1 | with bridge_port eth0 |
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| 12:29.22 | aNOOBis1 | okay thanks ne2k |
| 12:29.31 | aNOOBis1 | I will get back to you in a bit |
| 12:29.48 | __ne2k | eth0 will no longer have an IP address -- it will just be the physical interface. br0 will then be the interface on the host computer that gets an IP address, so put iface br0 inet dhcp/static depending on what you had before for eth0 |
| 12:30.09 | aNOOBis1 | yes that is what I am planning to do |
| 12:30.30 | aNOOBis1 | with gateway settings etc... |
| 12:30.45 | aNOOBis1 | using brige_ports eth0 |
| 12:30.59 | __ne2k | then you are going to add your vbox0 interface to the bridge (after creating it with VBoxTunctl) |
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| 12:32.51 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: another tip: ifup/down get confused if you set up an interface, change its config in network/interfaces, and then try to bring it down. e.g. if you move from a dhcp to a static setting, when you use ifdown it will think there never was a dhcp client, and so won't kill it |
| 12:34.14 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: so, you're better to do the following for changing network/interfaces on a running system. cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.tmp; <editor> /etc/network/interfaces; ifdown <interfaces>; mv /etc/network/interfaces.tmp /etc/network/interfaces; ifup <interfaces>; |
| 12:35.13 | aNOOBis1 | makes sense |
| 12:35.16 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: if you do it all on the command line like that with ;s inbetween, you shouldn't lose connectivity to your remote box -- provided that your new config works ;-) |
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| 12:36.22 | Dieterbe | Hi, i made a package ( A ) that depends on B. B has no dependencies, only recommends. so when i want to install B it will not install other packages. however, when i try to install A, it will install A, B, and the recommended packages of B ! why is this, and how can i avoid it? thanks |
| 12:36.29 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: you could be even more cunning and do ifdown ...; cp interfaces interfaces.old; mv interfaces.tmp interfaces; ifup ...; sleep 60; ifdown ...; mv interfaces.old interfaces; ifup ...; |
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| 12:36.53 | aNOOBis1 | nifty |
| 12:37.08 | aNOOBis1 | might have to bash something in that nature |
| 12:37.12 | aNOOBis1 | ;) |
| 12:37.19 | aNOOBis1 | off for a restart |
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| 12:37.42 | aNOOBis1 | :-X |
| 12:37.49 | fireba11 | __ne2k: ehm .. he could just edit interfaces and do ifdown interface; ifup interface |
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| 12:38.15 | bbinotto | hi, in debian, when an error occurs, in some cases the user root gets an email with error message |
| 12:38.21 | hatter | is hosts.allow still considered a safe way to deny connection to a box ? |
| 12:38.44 | __ne2k | fireba11: this is bad news, as I pointed out. I've spent many hours banging my head against a wall trying to work out why my IP address is randomly changing, only to discover that there was still a dhcpcd running on an interface which hadn't been killed by ifdown because the config file said it was static! |
| 12:39.27 | markybob | hatter, think you mean hosts.deny, and kind of :P you should really use iptables |
| 12:39.29 | __ne2k | bbias |
| 12:39.47 | fireba11 | __ne2k: killing the process does fine ;-) |
| 12:39.51 | hatter | markybob, well yes, hosts.deny all, then hosts.allow to allow particular ip addresses |
| 12:40.06 | hatter | this is checked before iptables ? |
| 12:40.20 | hatter | or 'is this' ? |
| 12:40.34 | petemc | markybob: you can use hosts.allow to deny |
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| 12:41.45 | hatter | I currently use hosts allow and deny along with shorewall, though i still see the occasional ssh auth failure in the logs , how could this be ? |
| 12:42.39 | markybob | hatter, not all applications include tcp wrappers (hosts.allow/deny) support. thus suggesting iptables use instead |
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| 12:43.28 | __ne2k | fireba11: well, yes, eventually it did! |
| 12:43.31 | hatter | markybob, so do you think its best practice to stop using tcpwrappers and make sure iptables is allowing or denying ? |
| 12:44.29 | hatter | markybob, i am not sure what you mean by not aall apps include tcp wrappers, ssh server does doesnt it ? |
| 12:44.29 | markybob | hatter, yes. and if your main worry is ssh attacks, look into using something like fail2ban as well |
| 12:44.30 | __ne2k | fireba11: but... doing it my way lets you make whatever changes you like without having to worry about whether you need to kill anything or do anything or anything else -- it just works. |
| 12:44.56 | colulu | could someone help me out with setting up networking interface? |
| 12:45.12 | markybob | colulu, what's the problem? |
| 12:45.17 | __ne2k | colulu: please be more specific. what have you tried, what doesn't work? |
| 12:45.33 | __ne2k | !network/interfaces |
| 12:45.39 | __ne2k | !/etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:45.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, /etc/network/interfaces is the file that controls your network interfaces |
| 12:45.42 | hatter | markybob, yes i should use fail2ban, i will start |
| 12:45.45 | colulu | markybob: /etc/init.d/networking restart says everything is ok |
| 12:45.55 | colulu | but I still can't ping |
| 12:46.17 | markybob | pastebin it |
| 12:46.38 | __ne2k | colulu: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:46.47 | colulu | http://pastebin.com/m621f6949 |
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| 12:47.06 | somedude | ahh yes install done |
| 12:47.09 | colulu | the computer is hooked up to a router |
| 12:47.09 | markybob | can you ping 192.168.0.1? |
| 12:47.11 | __ne2k | colulu: can you ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:47.13 | somedude | that was easy enough |
| 12:47.17 | __ne2k | markybob: snap ;-) |
| 12:47.21 | markybob | :P |
| 12:47.25 | jelly | !win somedude |
| 12:47.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, somedude! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 12:47.30 | colulu | no . |
| 12:47.32 | somedude | for some reason lvm didn't work from the installer though |
| 12:47.36 | colulu | i can't ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:47.36 | psilocybin | what is dm_snapshot + other dm_* |
| 12:47.50 | somedude | man debian improved a lot from back in the potato days |
| 12:47.50 | __ne2k | colulu: paste the output of /sbin/route |
| 12:48.04 | somedude | i havent used debian in years its so go to be using this again |
| 12:48.05 | markybob | are you sure you're supposed to be using 192.168.0 instead of 192.168.1? |
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| 12:48.29 | sladi | 192.168.1.1 for me too |
| 12:48.30 | colulu | it said : 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 12:48.44 | __ne2k | colulu: that it? no default line? |
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| 12:48.52 | colulu | i ping 192.168.1.1 too, also host unreachable |
| 12:49.25 | sladi | did you try dhclient3? |
| 12:49.26 | hatter | how wow, i dont remember entering any competitions and i still have a lifetime supply of spam ! |
| 12:49.30 | colulu | first line : Destination Gateway Genmark Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 12:49.52 | lynucs | which tool do evince and xdvi use for dislaying dvi's? |
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| 12:50.42 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to blacklist nvidiafb on boot. I have read and followed the dpkg info found here and the info for initramfs. nvidiafb still starts and interferes with my nvidia driver for X. Could this be a hotplug issue - finding the nvidia card and loading the driver? |
| 12:50.55 | Bushmills | hatter: set recipient delimiter to st like . and invent email addresses on the spot: name.anything@ ... , beats catchalls. |
| 12:51.09 | markybob | smacnay, did you blacklist it? |
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| 12:51.42 | colulu | sladi: dhclient3 output looks ok |
| 12:51.53 | colulu | it does say DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1 |
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| 12:52.00 | colulu | Inbound to 192.168.1.105 |
| 12:52.05 | markybob | see, told you it was 192.168.1 and not .0 :P |
| 12:52.07 | colulu | 192.168.1.105 is the lan ip |
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| 12:52.26 | colulu | markybob: so how should I change it? |
| 12:52.42 | markybob | colulu, uh, you replace 192.168.0 with 192.168.1 |
| 12:52.50 | aNOOBis1 | __ne2k got it to work |
| 12:52.53 | hatter | Bushmills, i have a domain name that is over ten years old, and is still getting spam to email addresses that havent existed for over ten years |
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| 12:52.57 | __ne2k | aNOOBis1: cool |
| 12:52.58 | aNOOBis1 | thanks |
| 12:53.18 | colulu | markybob: i want to run Xen on it |
| 12:53.20 | smacnay | markybob: I added a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local file with "blacklist nvidiafb". |
| 12:53.22 | hatter | well, spam is being attempted to be sent |
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| 12:53.44 | smacnay | markybob: then did a dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-'uname -r' |
| 12:53.50 | markybob | smacnay, hrm. which version of debian are you using? it's supposed to be /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:53.58 | colulu | markybob: so I was planning to have 192.168.0.100 as the dom0 ip |
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| 12:54.09 | markybob | smacnay, are you using sarge? |
| 12:54.09 | smacnay | markybob: I am using "testing" |
| 12:54.22 | markybob | smacnay, yeah, testing doesnt even have kernel-image. it's linux-image |
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| 12:54.36 | markybob | smacnay, and like i said, blacklist, not blacklist.local |
| 12:55.01 | Bushmills | hatter: strange that you get spam to email address which haven't existed for ten years. |
| 12:55.04 | smacnay | markybob: thanks I will look at that - the syntax is different in that file, if I remember |
| 12:55.05 | colulu | markybob: after I change it to 192.168.1.* it is ok to ping now |
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| 12:55.21 | Bushmills | i'd tend to /dev/null those |
| 12:55.24 | sladi | anybody knows why they removed mozilla-mplayer for the testing repo please? |
| 12:55.28 | colulu | thanks alot |
| 12:55.36 | markybob | np |
| 12:55.40 | colulu | does anyone know how to setup networking for Xen in debian? |
| 12:55.47 | smacnay | markybob: "install nvidiafb /bin/true" to blacklist? |
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| 12:56.15 | markybob | smacnay, no, dude. you just add "blacklist nvidiafb" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 12:56.33 | hatter | Bushmills, yeah. strange all right. there is no catchall. there is no email address. these addresses must have been added to a spam database ten years ago and they must just keep getting added to, i am amazed |
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| 12:57.10 | smacnay | markybob: ok, I have done so and will see if it works. |
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| 12:57.44 | smacnay | brb |
| 12:57.44 | Bushmills | hatter: that only supports my previous suggestion |
| 12:57.55 | somedude | any advice for getting an "intel uknown audio device" to work |
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| 12:58.57 | Bushmills | somedude: whipping, bribing, threatening are usual incentives |
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| 12:59.24 | hatter | Bushmills, yeah |
| 12:59.31 | wols | somedude: update-pciids |
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| 12:59.48 | smacnay | markybob: no luck - I will look around |
| 12:59.52 | wols | it's a intel HDA of course in which case: newest kernel you can find and possibly CVS alsa |
| 13:00.10 | gallus | i can't configure my wireless card to use a wpa password, anyone of you use a wireless connection with a wpa password set |
| 13:00.17 | markybob | smacnay, what does uname -a say? |
| 13:00.17 | wols | !tell smacnay about BLarg |
| 13:00.24 | wols | !tell smacnay about bLacklist |
| 13:00.35 | wols | smacnay: dont forget your initrd |
| 13:00.36 | gallus | i can't configure my wireless card to use a wpa password, anyone of you use a wireless connection with a wpa password set |
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| 13:00.57 | smacnay | markybob: 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 13:01.02 | markybob | the whole thing |
| 13:01.28 | smacnay | wols - update-initramfs ? |
| 13:01.40 | smacnay | Linux debian 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:02.23 | smacnay | wols: I did all of that yesterday. No luck. |
| 13:02.57 | smacnay | wols: markybob thinks the file to be used is /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - so I have tried that today as well. |
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| 13:03.20 | wols | smacnay: have you read the factoid? |
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| 13:04.27 | smacnay | wols: the info in the dpkg window? Yes. Is there other info? |
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| 13:05.37 | somedude | for some reason my sound is very very low |
| 13:05.46 | somedude | even though all the volumes a re up |
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| 13:12.34 | gallus | there is nobody that can help me to configure my wireless to use a wpa password? |
| 13:13.23 | gallus | i have read a lot of how-to but i can't make it work |
| 13:13.27 | wols | gallus: you read te wpa-supplicant helpfiles? |
| 13:13.44 | gallus | yes |
| 13:14.30 | gallus | wols: i have read also a lot of how to on the web using google |
| 13:14.35 | gallus | but nothing |
| 13:14.45 | wols | where do you set the wpa passwd? |
| 13:15.17 | gallus | wols: i tried i 2 way |
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| 13:15.46 | gallus | wols: first in wpa_supplicant.conf in /etc folder |
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| 13:17.08 | gallus | wols: and the second time i tried to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces with wpa-psk |
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| 13:17.27 | gallus | wols do you think you can help me? |
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| 13:18.43 | raz0 | gallus, you need to specify the config through the command-line |
| 13:19.00 | raz0 | gallus, eg. -c/path/to/yourwpasup.conf |
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| 13:19.52 | gallus | raz0: please would you help me i'm working on this problem from 4 hours |
| 13:20.06 | raz0 | you usually need three command-line arguments: -D (to specify the driver) -i (to specify the interface) and -c to specify the conf file |
| 13:20.38 | raz0 | for instance, with my intel ipw2200 card, I use wpa_supplicant -Dwect -ieth1 -cwpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 13:20.51 | gallus | wpa_supplicant -ieth2 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd -B |
| 13:21.17 | raz0 | oups, I meant -Dwext |
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| 13:21.42 | __ne2k | I haven't used debian as a desktop machine for years (been using it for servers lots, though) so I've never actually had to play with wireless lan on it. however, all this talk to supplicants and special config files suggests to me that it's not all that simple yet. would this be a fair assessment? (cf Wireless Zero Configuration in Windows XP SP2) |
| 13:21.43 | gallus | raz0: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) |
| 13:22.07 | jelly | __ne2k: it would. |
| 13:22.07 | somedude | i tried to follow the instuctions for installing the ati driver but it fails |
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| 13:22.35 | gallus | raz0: what kind of driver do you think i shoud use? |
| 13:22.43 | raz0 | __ne2k, I've found that's it's only complicated if you need WPA. WEP and no encryption is easy. |
| 13:22.57 | raz0 | gallus, Dunno. Try the wext. |
| 13:23.01 | dob1 | hi, there is some utilities that can monitor the disk space and alert me if the disk space is under a certain value? |
| 13:23.03 | raz0 | Or google to find out. |
| 13:23.10 | dob1 | alert via mail |
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| 13:23.35 | rohan | why will the next release of debian be numbered 5.0 and not 4.1? |
| 13:23.41 | kunwon1 | dob1, nagios, but that's probably overkill |
| 13:23.45 | Bushmills | dob1: gkrellm can |
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| 13:23.50 | markybob | rohan, because we can |
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| 13:24.13 | rohan | markybob: right, but there should be a logic/policy behind that. and knowing debian, there has to definitely be a policy |
| 13:24.17 | dob1 | Bushmills, something not graphics, like a daemon |
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| 13:24.45 | Bushmills | dob1: should be simple to script that. |
| 13:24.45 | markybob | rohan, it's it's a major upgrade. perl has been upgraded to another major release, as has python and most other core system utils |
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| 13:25.07 | dob1 | Bushmills, and put it on cron? |
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| 13:25.15 | rohan | markybob: that's the only criteria? |
| 13:25.33 | markybob | rohan, if not major upgrades, what would it be? |
| 13:25.39 | Bushmills | dob either that, or keep it running in a loop, doing a sleep n between iterations |
| 13:25.41 | rohan | if it is, then debian would never have x.1 releases, seeing that each release has to have some "major" upgrade |
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| 13:27.05 | rohan | and it'd be tought defining "major upgrade" |
| 13:27.06 | smacnay | Can there be a hotplug setting that affects module loading and superseeds blacklisting? |
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| 13:27.43 | raz0 | __ne2k, for instance with wlassistant wireless configuration is very easy |
| 13:28.00 | digitaloktay | formorer, thx you :) |
| 13:28.08 | raz0 | but unfortately it seems to have a bug that causes wpa not to work |
| 13:28.18 | raz0 | so for that I have to you wpa_supplicant manually |
| 13:28.24 | raz0 | *to use |
| 13:30.22 | smacnay | or udev |
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| 13:39.15 | Libertine- | hi |
| 13:39.28 | dimir | hoi |
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| 13:40.19 | xai | Why doesn't @reboot work in a user's crontab ? |
| 13:40.50 | joltcan | xai: Because you have to be root |
| 13:40.51 | Nyle | because non root can't issue a shutdown |
| 13:40.53 | joltcan | oh, sorry |
| 13:40.56 | joltcan | I'm stupid |
| 13:41.05 | joltcan | xai: It should work. @reboot and the command |
| 13:41.24 | zdark | somebody know good tutorial for sendmail debian? |
| 13:41.25 | joltcan | xai: Could it be a path issue? Have you specified the whole path to the command to run at reboot? |
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| 13:41.52 | joltcan | Nyle: ^5 for the misreading! :) |
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| 13:42.16 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:42.22 | xai | joltcan: yea, I'm doing silly things like using $HOME in my crontab files, but I thought crontab handles that (its in the man page). |
| 13:42.55 | joltcan | Nyle: it was not the command reboot, it was for a line in the crontab which is run after the system is booted |
| 13:43.25 | Nyle | I dunno anything about computers. |
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| 13:43.45 | joltcan | xai: No idea, use command > /tmp/foo 2>&1 and see what it complains about |
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| 13:44.00 | dav | what does sshd TERM succeeded mean? |
| 13:44.07 | tomd123 | does anyone know the difference between DVD1 and the update to DVD1? which one should I choose? link is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 13:44.36 | tomd123 | I couldn't find any documentation on what the difference was |
| 13:45.07 | xai | dav: man 7 signal and look for TERM |
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| 13:45.50 | markybob | tomd123, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
| 13:46.21 | tomd123 | hmm, must have slipped by, ty :) |
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| 13:52.07 | sine | hello. I have upgraded openssl, openssh-server and openssh-client, but if I remove the host keys and with dpkg-reconfigure I created the new one, these are still vulnerable. |
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| 13:52.53 | themill | sine: you missed libssl0.9.8 |
| 13:52.57 | Deezire | apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot should fix the issue, sine. |
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| 13:53.29 | krzychu | folks, how to send a mail with attachement from console? |
| 13:53.35 | justin | you don't need to reboot to fix a ssh issue |
| 13:53.39 | justin | krzychu: mutt ? |
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| 13:54.06 | krzychu | justin, yes, but I need to send a mail from a script |
| 13:54.15 | justin | krzychu: so? |
| 13:54.16 | sine | themill: thanks (I have unstable repositories and problem with dist-upgrade, but.. now I know why it didn't work) :) |
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| 13:55.01 | krzychu | justin, so ... is it as simple as 'mail -a /home/myfile mail@server.com' ? |
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| 13:55.45 | justin | krzychu: something like that, yeah |
| 13:56.40 | rohan | ouch, my net was down. so, is there any specific reason debian lenny will be 5.0 and not 4.1, or just because it's a "major upgrade"? |
| 13:57.32 | krzychu | justin, isn't mutt only inveractive software? |
| 13:57.55 | krzychu | any time I try to run the mutt I can work in inveractive mode |
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| 13:58.29 | krzychu | and can't find a option to force non-interactive mode |
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| 13:59.16 | dp | is there any reason on a lenny system, that I don't have (and can't find) mod_gzip for apache? |
| 13:59.59 | justin | krzychu: echo body| mutt ... |
| 14:00.19 | themill | rohan: new libc6 and new perl would be the main two, I guess |
| 14:00.34 | rohan | themill: ohok |
| 14:00.37 | krzychu | justin, yes, but with 'echo' you can't pass the attachement |
| 14:00.45 | macafe | My server return "grub error 15", I boot using live CD and mount the HD... but I can't locate the directory "boot" into this.... How I do to reinstall grub? |
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| 14:01.14 | chops | dp: mod_deflate is probably what you want (included in apache2-common) |
| 14:01.15 | Bushmills | krzychu: you can use nail |
| 14:01.18 | justin | krzychu: derr, pass the -a option to mutt |
| 14:01.27 | __ne2k | macafe: /boot tends to be a separate partition |
| 14:01.30 | helo | will 'simple sid backport' instructions work to backport from lenny to etch? is it safer to backport from lenny instead of from sid? |
| 14:01.31 | dp | chops: what about apache 1.3? |
| 14:01.42 | themill | dp: apache1.3 isn't in lenny any more |
| 14:01.42 | vezult | is there any reason to believe that wipe (secure deletion utility) will work differently on a logical volume as opposed to a physical device? |
| 14:01.57 | dp | themill: it's not a new install, so I still have an existing 1.3 install |
| 14:02.17 | macafe | __ne2k, in my server I have only 2 partitions... / and /home |
| 14:02.19 | chops | dp: Time to upgrade, then, I'd say |
| 14:02.35 | __ne2k | vezult: depends what the logical volume manager is doing. I wouldn't have thought so |
| 14:02.38 | themill | dp: time to upgrade... you've had what, 6 years? :) Sorry, but apache1.3 is long since dead and no longer in debian. But /msg dpkg snapshots |
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| 14:03.21 | __ne2k | macafe: are you trying to fix an existing install, or do a new install from a live disc? |
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| 14:03.46 | vezult | __ne2k: I don't really think so either, but if something went wrong, I wanted to be able to lie to myself and say that it wasn't all my own stupidity. ;o) |
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| 14:04.01 | macafe | _ne2k: I have debian in this server and need reinstall grub to works... |
| 14:04.10 | snikker | how can i trace debuild for see what files it read? |
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| 14:04.21 | Eulex | snikker, strace |
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| 14:04.37 | Eulex | but note that it won't show what forked processes do. |
| 14:04.52 | Eulex | by default, anyway |
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| 14:05.08 | macafe | __ne2k, My server return error message "Grub error 15"... |
| 14:05.17 | Eulex | did you google it? |
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| 14:05.49 | snikker | Eulex: i've used "strace -e trace=debuild -us -uc", but i've got this error "strace: invalid system call `debuild'" |
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| 14:06.08 | snikker | Eulex: there is a way forsee also the forked processes? |
| 14:06.08 | Juventino | guys, am using debian etchnhalf on an HP 530 notebook, everytime i'm shutting it down, it gives me an error about Hard Disk didn't shut down correctly, please update the shutdown utility |
| 14:06.25 | macafe | Eulex, Yes.. |
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| 14:06.41 | macafe | I search in google and find to reinstall grub |
| 14:06.42 | dm1058 | sera |
| 14:06.55 | dm1058 | !list |
| 14:06.55 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to dm1058 |
| 14:06.56 | krzychu | Bushmills and justin - thanks, I've installed nail and it works ;) thanks again ;) |
| 14:07.05 | Eulex | snikker, you misinterpreted the man page of strace. you don't need to use -e trace= |
| 14:07.05 | Bushmills | yw |
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| 14:07.45 | Eulex | snikker, in any way, the man page also details how strace can trace system calls in forked processes |
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| 14:08.11 | Eulex | !tell macafe about reinstall grub |
| 14:08.33 | snikker | Eulex: ok, i look the man pages better... |
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| 14:09.05 | Eulex | snikker, you just need to run "strace debuild -us -uc" |
| 14:09.41 | snikker | Eulex: oh ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:10.00 | trifler | I can't get the wireless on my thinkpad x60 to work. I've checked on thinkpadwiki but I still dont get it. :( Anyone whos got any idea or tips |
| 14:10.20 | Juventino | trifler, what's the adapter? |
| 14:10.36 | smacnay | Is discover at all used on a lenny install? I see that I have the conf files for it and am wondering if it is causing nvidiafb to be loaded even though I have blacklisted it. |
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| 14:10.58 | trifler | Juventino: Intel 3945ABG |
| 14:11.10 | Juventino | yea same as mine, what are you using? |
| 14:11.16 | Eulex | smacnay, it's not used by default. it's still available in the repos, though. |
| 14:11.19 | themill | trifler: etch or lenny? |
| 14:11.26 | trifler | Juventino: I was trying ndiswrapper |
| 14:11.26 | jagardaniel | i have just installed debian.. now i'm trying to download proftpd (with apt-get), but i can't find the package |
| 14:11.29 | trifler | themill: Etch |
| 14:11.36 | themill | !tell trifler about ipw3945 |
| 14:11.40 | Eulex | trifler, uh, there are native drivers, you know |
| 14:11.45 | Juventino | steps back |
| 14:11.47 | smacnay | Eulex: I don't see anything in the discover and hotplug files that would load nvidiafb anyway. |
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| 14:11.50 | trifler | Eulex: Im new to this :( |
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| 14:12.07 | Eulex | smacnay, discover 'discovers' hardware. |
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| 14:12.41 | Eulex | and loads modules according to what it finds |
| 14:12.42 | chops | jagardaniel: Can you pastebin your sources.list and the full output of 'aptitude install proftpd'? |
| 14:13.34 | Eulex | smacnay, also, hotplug is not available in lenny. if you have any of hotplug or discover installed, I'd suggest removing it; hal does this well nowadays. |
| 14:13.50 | snikker | Eulex: it works, thanks again |
| 14:13.55 | Eulex | !tell smacnay about blacklist |
| 14:14.04 | Eulex | !tell smacnay about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:14.05 | smacnay | Eulex: well, I don't think I have discover running but nvidiafb gets loaded no matter what I do so I will add the appropriate lines. - No, aptitude show hotplug and discover shows none installed. |
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| 14:14.18 | hellues | hey |
| 14:14.21 | hellues | a quenstion |
| 14:14.23 | smacnay | Eulex: I followed those steps. No success. |
| 14:14.25 | jagardaniel | chops im new with linux, but i think this is my sources.list (?) http://pastebin.com/m667f1bf4 |
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| 14:14.43 | hellues | deb http://ftp.debian.org main non-free contrib |
| 14:14.48 | hellues | is it a repo address |
| 14:14.57 | hellues | system says it is invalid |
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| 14:15.10 | Eulex | it is invalid |
| 14:15.30 | chops | jagardaniel: You should add a line for all of etch; right now you've only got CD 1 and security updates. Probably proftpd is on a CD other than CD 1. |
| 14:15.53 | chops | jagardaniel: You want something like: deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 14:15.56 | Eulex | smacnay, hmm, no idea then, other than that you should double-check that you did it correctly |
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| 14:16.06 | chops | jagardaniel: (Where <cc> is your country code, e.g. us for United States) |
| 14:16.10 | jelly | hellues: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 14:16.18 | hellues | hmm |
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| 14:16.48 | themill | hellues: I'm not sure if there is a .tr mirror; check the mirrors list. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:17.18 | smacnay | Eulex: I did create an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local file and added "blacklist nvidiafb" then ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r). Rebooted to nvidafb console. |
| 14:17.29 | jagardaniel | chops okey, thank you, okey, so i can add like "deb http://ftp.swe.debian.org/debian etch main" or something? |
| 14:17.31 | jagardaniel | i just got one CD |
| 14:17.38 | jagardaniel | its a "netinstall" i think |
| 14:17.54 | jagardaniel | http://ftp.se.debian.org/* |
| 14:17.57 | chops | jagardaniel: "se" for Sweden |
| 14:18.14 | jagardaniel | i will try =) wait |
| 14:18.31 | chops | jagardaniel: Yep. You can probably remove the cdrom line also -- it's generally more convenient to download from the net than it is to find the CD and put it in the drive |
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| 14:18.43 | Eulex | smacnay, hmm, you might want to try adding it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist instead |
| 14:18.57 | chops | jagardaniel: Of course, in cases where you're installing a ton of software, it's sometimes faster to install from local media than to download from the net. |
| 14:19.13 | jagardaniel | ah, okey.. thank you so much, i will try |
| 14:19.16 | smacnay | Eulex: in the same format or just the module name |
| 14:19.27 | helo | is there any reason why i wouldn't want to backport from lenny to etch instead of from sid to etch? |
| 14:19.31 | Eulex | smacnay, same format. |
| 14:19.32 | smacnay | Eulex: is there an update-initramfs command I need to try? |
| 14:20.04 | Eulex | smacnay, dpkg-reconfiguring the kernel package will run that for you |
| 14:20.08 | chops | helo: Lenny backports are more stable, sid ones are more up-to-date. A lot of people do sid backports, because the probability that any given single package in sid will be horribly broken is generally pretty small. |
| 14:20.18 | trifler | themill: Okey that almost worked :) If think I screwed something up laying on my own with ieee80211 |
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| 14:20.25 | trifler | playing* |
| 14:20.28 | Fri13 | Hi! |
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| 14:21.17 | Fri13 | I have very wierd question, what is not actually debian related but because you guys usually know more stuff than on other distribution channels.. |
| 14:21.30 | themill | trifler: ahh.... that never helps. The wireless stack is rapidly changing so you need to get compatible versions of the driver, kernel, firmware, wireless stack etc. |
| 14:21.35 | chops | Fri13: I see the future -- it's a whole bunch of people telling you ask your question elsewhere :-) |
| 14:21.37 | Fri13 | Is there distribution what does not have command line, anykind, not even possible to install such |
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| 14:22.00 | Eulex | eh, no |
| 14:22.05 | Juventino | hmm |
| 14:22.07 | chops | Fri13: I doubt it. That would be pretty silly IMHO (and probably in the opinion of the devs who would have to set it up). |
| 14:22.09 | zdark | somebody know good tutorial for sendmail debian? |
| 14:22.15 | Juventino | guys, am using debian etchnhalf on an HP 530 notebook, everytime i'm shutting it down, it gives me an error about Hard Disk didn't shut down correctly, please update the shutdown utility |
| 14:22.43 | chops | Fri13: The same software that runs the command line on a GNU/Linux system is also responsible for a _lot_ of the system's internal functioning (via shell scripts). |
| 14:22.53 | asg | zdark: when it comes to sendmail, one can only recommend the Bat Book (or the sendmail-doc package) |
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| 14:23.07 | asg | zdark: if you know nothing about sendmail in general, you are better off running postfix or exim |
| 14:23.08 | jagardaniel | chops it works, thank you =) |
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| 14:23.22 | Fri13 | chops: Okay, so it's "impossible" to get rid off CLI.. basicly |
| 14:23.27 | chops | zdark: Best is not to use sendmail (I like postfix, some people like exim). There's not a good reason to start using sendmail unless you're somehow being pressured into it. |
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| 14:23.33 | smacnay | Eulex: all right, now to reboot |
| 14:23.47 | Eulex | Fri13, not impossible, but very hard. but why would you want to, anyway? |
| 14:24.27 | trifler | themill: :S what? I feel like this is out my league. |
| 14:24.30 | chops | Fri13: You could hide it if you felt really strongly about it, but it would be a silly thing to do. Deliberately removing useful capabilities is generally considered wrong in the open source world. |
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| 14:24.53 | Fri13 | Eulex: Just to expand my knowledge |
| 14:25.21 | Fri13 | chops: Actually I'm not even considering such... ;-) |
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| 14:26.01 | Fri13 | I just were unsure is it possible to do without sacrificing the usability |
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| 14:26.45 | mne | Hi, I would like to see all processes and _childs_ of a user. I tried ps and pstree. Both don't seem to show all processes/childs. What can you guys suggest ? |
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| 14:27.19 | chops | mne: What children doesn't ps or pstree show? |
| 14:27.47 | themill | trifler: it's not... you just need to reverse whatever you did earlier and follow dpkg's ipw3945 instructions. |
| 14:27.59 | mne | chops, ps doesn't show all children of ssh for example |
| 14:28.10 | chops | mne: Er |
| 14:28.31 | chops | mne: I'm not sure what to say other than, "yes it does." Why do you think it's not showing you all the children? What arguments are you using? |
| 14:29.04 | mne | chops, either "ps -ef | grep username" or "pstree -l username" |
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| 14:29.20 | crazyfrog | i have installed two ethernet cards in my box,they use the same chips .how to figure out their I/O addresses and IRQ? |
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| 14:29.50 | themill | mne: pgrep -u username |
| 14:30.10 | trifler | themill: hmm how can I redo fiddling with ieee80211 subsystem |
| 14:30.15 | mne | themill, thanks. that's better. |
| 14:30.30 | rm | crazyfrog, lspci ? |
| 14:30.47 | rm | or do you need to know which card uses which irq (but what for?) |
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| 14:32.25 | crazyfrog | rm:yes.i want to know which card uses which irq |
| 14:32.26 | __ne2k | chops: ps -awux I always use |
| 14:32.37 | ruben_ | Hello, I have lots of deferred mails, since my sendmail was down 4 days, what is the way to 'resend' that failed mails?, where is its ubication¿ |
| 14:32.52 | rm | oh, btw |
| 14:33.11 | rm | crazyfrog, try ifconfig |
| 14:33.22 | jelly | ruben_: "sendmail -q", man sendmail |
| 14:33.40 | themill | trifler: depends on what you actually did. |
| 14:33.40 | twobitwork | how can I tell if arts or esound are stopped? |
| 14:33.59 | trifler | themill: Changed allot of files I guess |
| 14:34.02 | twobitwork | neither show up in ps, and I don't see anything in /etc/init.d for them |
| 14:34.02 | jelly | twobitwork: no processes named "artsd" or "esd" |
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| 14:34.19 | twobitwork | jelly: ok, neither are there... how are they generally started? |
| 14:34.34 | trifler | themill: If it's not aptitude im pretty much lost. :P |
| 14:34.41 | trifler | Or a good guide. |
| 14:34.47 | jelly | twobitwork: arts by KDE's init process; esd by Gnome's, I guess |
| 14:35.03 | __ne2k | on the 32nd of Nevermber 3090 |
| 14:35.10 | trifler | And I tend to rush into doing things a tad to fast. |
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| 14:35.39 | twobitwork | hmm... gnome-audio wasn't installed |
| 14:35.40 | __ne2k | trifler: troll? |
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| 14:35.55 | trifler | __ne2k: What? |
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| 14:36.37 | aNOOBis1 | ne2k I have encountered another problem, my VM is not receiving an ip via the tap interface while installing debian where could I have gone wrong? |
| 14:36.56 | themill | trifler: try "aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)" and then follow dpkg's instructions |
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| 14:39.09 | ruben_ | jelly: do you known where sendmail stores 'failed messages? thanks again |
| 14:39.27 | jelly | ruben_: what sort of "failed messages"? |
| 14:40.00 | jelly | ruben_: pastebin the exact message that a sender received. |
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| 14:40.51 | trifler | themill: Nope did not work |
| 14:41.00 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 14:41.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 14:42.03 | trifler | themill: Nothing happend when I run the reinstall command |
| 14:42.04 | Juventino | guys what's a good archiving tool for KDE? |
| 14:42.07 | trifler | no changes were done |
| 14:42.24 | dav | what does sshd TERM succeeded mean? |
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| 14:42.40 | macafe | I have Debian in my server how not return "Grub error 15", I boot using live CD and mount /dev/hda1 (linux debian install) in /test and try "chroot /test", but return "cannot tun command /bin/bash no such file or directory".... Then I try "grub /dev/hda1" and open console of grub... How I can reinstall grub in HD? |
| 14:42.41 | trifler | dav: TERM is short for terminated? |
| 14:42.50 | themill | trifler: what's the current kernel you're running? uname -r |
| 14:42.52 | ruben_ | jelly: this is the problem, the sender was not received any message, since sendmail/ssmpt was failed, so php only does mail() but was failed, so I want how to resend that failed mails |
| 14:42.53 | __ne2k | dav: presumably, something sent the TERM signal to the process sshd, and it succeeded, i.e. it TERM'd it |
| 14:42.55 | dav | trifler: means it was stopped? |
| 14:43.11 | colulu | could somone tell me hot to install hg using apt-get? |
| 14:43.13 | trifler | themill: 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 14:43.26 | __ne2k | !apt-get |
| 14:43.26 | dpkg | well, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
| 14:43.27 | Eulex | macafe, is /dev/hda1 your / partition? |
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| 14:43.39 | Juventino | trifler, you still got problem with the wireless connection? |
| 14:43.49 | macafe | Eulex: /dev/hda1 is my / in debian |
| 14:43.50 | jelly | ruben_: if mail() failed, then _probably_ your sendmail didn't even queue the message. In that case, it's lost |
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| 14:43.59 | trifler | Juventino: Yes |
| 14:44.12 | Juventino | triak, what's the problem? |
| 14:44.15 | jelly | ruben_: check your mail.log and sendmail queue. |
| 14:44.17 | trifler | Juventino: I think I broke it though |
| 14:44.23 | colulu | i mean, how to find the correct package name for hg? |
| 14:44.23 | themill | trifler: can you please pastebin the entire output, (and the command) from: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 14:44.29 | themill | colulu: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:44.36 | Juventino | you broke the kernel? |
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| 14:44.53 | jelly | ruben_: how do you know mail() function failed, anyway? |
| 14:44.54 | trifler | themill: I post it priv |
| 14:44.55 | trifler | ? |
| 14:44.58 | trifler | or pastebin mayby |
| 14:45.01 | __ne2k | trifler: editing the kernel source is not a really particularly good idea, you know |
| 14:45.12 | ruben_ | jelly: yes, since there is no ssmtp/sendmail running in that moment |
| 14:45.17 | themill | trifler: pastebin it |
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| 14:45.38 | ruben_ | jelly: stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] |
| 14:45.39 | colulu | themill: thanks |
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| 14:45.58 | jelly | ruben_: no sendmail running does not necessarily mean it won't accept messages when run as /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:46.02 | Juventino | brb |
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| 14:46.38 | jelly | ruben_: do you get that "stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]" as an error message from php? |
| 14:46.52 | ruben_ | jelly: nope, as a message on my mailog |
| 14:47.00 | trifler | themill: Wait, I forgot the space between uname and -r i wrote uname-r |
| 14:47.11 | trifler | themill: No things are happening |
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| 14:47.20 | themill | trifler: good :) |
| 14:47.52 | jelly | ruben_: check the queue for messages waiting for sendmail to be restarted. |
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| 14:47.57 | trifler | themill: But it diden't solve it :( |
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| 14:48.22 | naitram | I have a kernel driver that I don't want loaded automatically, It is for a wireless card and want to load driver only when I want to sniff the network. Blacklist does not seem to work. Any Ideas? |
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| 14:48.52 | trifler | themill: rebooting time |
| 14:49.00 | themill | trifler: in what way does it not solve it? What do you do? what do you try? |
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| 14:49.45 | jorge_ | hi |
| 14:49.53 | trifler | themill: Hang on I haven't rebooted it after the reinstall |
| 14:49.56 | jorge_ | i need help with ssh keys |
| 14:49.58 | twobitwork | hmm.... I still can't get esound to run... |
| 14:50.15 | jorge_ | after security update, all keys generated appears as compromissed |
| 14:50.36 | Eulex | you need to regenerate them. |
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| 14:51.19 | themill | jorge_: /msg dpkg ssl update <== make sure you have updated libssl0.9.8 too |
| 14:51.45 | jorge_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.46 | halflife08 | hello folks where can i read about the letters that appear in the braces libcamel1.2-10{u} like what does {u} mean, i did do a quick scan through man aptitude |
| 14:51.48 | jorge_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:52.07 | trifler | themill: iwconfig now shows me eth2 which apperently has wirelss extensions |
| 14:52.13 | trifler | themill: Thanks a bounch |
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| 14:52.32 | themill | halflife08: there's an aptitude-doc package which has these things documented |
| 14:53.02 | Juventino | trifler, try iwlist eth2 scanning |
| 14:53.22 | Juventino | if your wireless is working good, it should return your AP |
| 14:53.36 | naitram | anyone know how to prevent a module from loading automatically |
| 14:53.39 | twobitwork | hm... catting to /dev/dsp says "device or resource busy" |
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| 14:55.39 | trifler | Juventino: Im already connected to my wirless :) |
| 14:55.57 | halflife08 | themill: thank you |
| 14:56.11 | themill | halflife08: no worries |
| 14:56.20 | themill | trifler: all successful, then? |
| 14:56.27 | Juventino | triak, cool :) |
| 14:56.37 | trifler | themill: I guess so |
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| 14:56.47 | beluga- | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
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| 14:56.54 | trifler | themill: But don't worry I'll be back with more (stupid) questions :) |
| 14:56.58 | twobitwork | ok, I've done the alsa checklist and neither arts nor esd are running, but ##gnome tells me I don't need esd... also when I cat to /dev/dsp it says device or resource busy... I'm completely out of ideas |
| 14:57.30 | cahoot | fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* might give some info |
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| 14:57.46 | Juventino | guys, any idea what's the shutdown utility?? |
| 14:57.59 | beluga- | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 14:58.01 | Bushmills | twobitwork: jackd? IM-client making funny noises (and taking over /dev/dsp)? |
| 14:58.01 | fireba11 | ?? |
| 14:58.10 | beluga- | after kill -9 process |
| 14:58.32 | markybob_ | Juventino, /sbin/shutdown |
| 14:58.36 | Bushmills | lots of stuff which can use oss devices. web browser with flash, ... |
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| 14:59.08 | twobitwork | arg...... nevermind..... stupid laptop has a mute button which I guess does a hardware mute |
| 14:59.11 | Juventino | markybob, yea i know that, the thing is, sometimes when i'm shuting down the laptop, it says "Please upgrade the shutdown utility" |
| 14:59.15 | Juventino | how can i do that?! lol |
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| 15:04.11 | trifler | It feels awfully slow :/ |
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| 15:12.27 | duity | can you use DNS SRV to advertise HTTP? will current web browsers look there? |
| 15:12.42 | joltcan | Nope |
| 15:13.18 | duity | that stinks... would be great if they did... any good reason why they don't? |
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| 15:14.27 | joltcan | duity: Then don't send the dns request, they only ask for the hostname and it is up to the OS to give them an answer |
| 15:14.29 | pinksock | anyone use cacti bandwidth monitoring |
| 15:14.50 | joltcan | pinksock: I have done in the past at least |
| 15:15.17 | joltcan | pinksock: It's a pain to setup stuff as you want it before you really wrap your head around it |
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| 15:15.45 | joltcan | pinksock: install snmp so that you can poll the interfaces, then use cacti to poll the snmp info |
| 15:15.54 | helo | is dm-crypt better than aes-loop? |
| 15:16.01 | duity | joltcan, right, but instead of just trying to resolve the name to an IP they can query DNS themselves, then start trying the addresses... I believe that's what applications do which do support SRV records such as Asterisk |
| 15:16.32 | Juventino | !shutdown |
| 15:16.32 | dpkg | shutdown is, like, "shutdown -h" now, or ask me about <poweroff> |
| 15:16.47 | Juventino | !poweroff |
| 15:16.47 | dpkg | If your older system doesn't power off after `shutdown -h now', append "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel's command line. See http://bugs.debian.org/390547 for more information. |
| 15:16.47 | hoxu | duity, wasn't the recommendation with SRV not to start using it for old protocols because of compatibility hell that would raise? |
| 15:16.55 | pinksock | joltcan: thanks |
| 15:17.13 | hoxu | !tell Juventino about msg the bot |
| 15:17.38 | duity | hoxu, I guess that makes sense... seems like they're taking the easy way out :) |
| 15:17.55 | Juventino | hmm |
| 15:18.11 | Juventino | can someone tell me, how can i update the shutdown utility? |
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| 15:18.50 | colulu | I am running hg clone, and it just hangs on "Adding file changes" for at least 10 mins now. |
| 15:18.52 | asg | Juventino: update the shutdown utility? |
| 15:18.55 | colulu | is it normal or not? |
| 15:19.02 | duity | Juventino, first figure out which package it's in... dpkg -S bin/shutdown; then apt-get upgrade <packagename> |
| 15:19.07 | joltcan | duity: Well; have you heard about the osi model? it is not the task of the browers, it just tells the os to do it for speed and caching purposes, plus that it makes the webbrowser easier to code. And last but not least, I don't think anybody would like to add that complexity to an infrastructure that works |
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| 15:20.08 | joltcan | duity: And also, people usually have one or more machines to serv web content, so doing a hostname lookup is probably leaner anyway. What problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 15:21.13 | duity | joltcan, yeah, but I don't believe DNS is actually mentioned in the OSI model... it's just another protocol that spans all the layers of the model... it's just a convenience that most OS's provide DNS facilities |
| 15:21.59 | duity | joltcan, we're going to move services on a server to another physical server and I'm wondering what the best way is to accomplish this because DNS changes can take a while to propogate to all clients |
| 15:22.04 | bkw | Anyone who knows if LSI 8704ELP hw raid controller is supported by etch installation cd? |
| 15:22.13 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 15:22.13 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 15:22.37 | duity | joltcan, if SRV could be used then we can setup these records to first try the old server, then the new server |
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| 15:23.25 | Sazpaimon_ | checkinstall is frigging awesome |
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| 15:25.12 | bkw | wols_: well, none of the links have been very helpful so far. I don't own such card, nor do I know anyone who does. |
| 15:25.14 | markybob | checkinstall is a lot of things, none of which are awesome |
| 15:25.22 | markybob | (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724) |
| 15:26.01 | jelly | checkinstall is a nice tool if you know its limitations |
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| 15:26.46 | Sazpaimon_ | hey, it was good enough to make a dpkg of ffmpeg with x264 support |
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| 15:27.26 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: why would one do that when marillat provides very decent packages? |
| 15:27.39 | Sazpaimon_ | debian-multimedia? |
| 15:27.42 | jelly | yes. |
| 15:27.49 | Sazpaimon_ | last i checked it didnt have x264 and xvid support |
| 15:28.10 | Sazpaimon_ | granted, last i checked was a little while ago |
| 15:28.18 | jelly | I have no idea how his mplayer plays x264, then |
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| 15:29.48 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: in any case, if you have some sort of deb-src, it's probably much saner to use that as a basis for your build, than a simple checkinstall |
| 15:30.23 | Sazpaimon_ | very true, deb-src has a lot of error and dependency checking that checkinstall lacks |
| 15:30.27 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: checkinstall is nice for one-off stuff kept in /usr/local or /opt/packagename |
| 15:30.30 | Sazpaimon_ | but as a quick fix, checkinstall is nice |
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| 15:30.44 | rati | hey how can I put taskbar at bottom of my screen? |
| 15:30.58 | rati | I have taskbar on top |
| 15:31.07 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway, i just checked, and yes, --enable-x264 is indeed in this version of ffmpeg |
| 15:31.38 | Sazpaimon_ | the version is over a year old though |
| 15:31.43 | Sazpaimon_ | i might be better backporting it |
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| 15:33.58 | Meaw | hey guys, i got an error when im trying to run squid, in /etc/init.d/squid |
| 15:34.01 | Meaw | /etc/init.d/squid: line 73: 3001 Aborted start-stop-daemon --quiet --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --chuid $CHUID --exec $DAEMON -- $SQUID_ARGS </dev/null failed! |
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| 15:34.19 | Meaw | any thoughts? |
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| 15:34.59 | soenke | hi dues |
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| 15:35.18 | soenke | how can i show the packages that are installed from a specific distribution (like hardy, gutsy or in debian etch, unstable etc)? |
| 15:35.19 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 15:35.35 | Rapp | i have a problem: i am trying to get a usb thumb drive to boot the netinst iso... |
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| 15:35.47 | hoxu | soenke, uh... you haven't mixed distributions, have you? |
| 15:35.57 | soenke | hoxu: i have :) |
| 15:35.58 | freeloaf | I want to make a deb package for a few binaries on my system, how would I go about doing this? |
| 15:36.01 | hoxu | soenke, or different debian branches (or ubuntu for that matter)? |
| 15:36.01 | Rapp | i have the following partitions on my thumb drive: /dev/sdb1 1 469 3767211 b W95 FAT32 |
| 15:36.02 | Rapp | /dev/sdb2 * 470 501 257040 6 FAT16 |
| 15:36.08 | hoxu | soenke, HAVE A NICE REINSTALL |
| 15:36.09 | hoxu | !next |
| 15:36.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:36.12 | Juventino | guys, how can i check the shutdown log?? |
| 15:36.13 | soenke | hoxu: debian etch, but some from unstable |
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| 15:36.27 | soenke | hoxu: why happy reinstall? it works fine. |
| 15:36.35 | Rapp | i have installed syslinux, all the boot.img, initrd and vmlinuz files onto sdb2 and created a syslinux.cfg |
| 15:36.56 | hoxu | soenke, yeah right. To answer your question though, you can't know from where a package was installed, at least not without scripting a bit |
| 15:36.57 | jelly | Sazpaimon_: over a year old? libavcodec51 Depends: [...] libx264-59 (>= 0.svn20080408), [...] |
| 15:36.57 | twobitwork | soenke: you failed by mentioning ubuntu... people can be pretty touchy about that subject around here |
| 15:37.11 | Rapp | but my machines won't boot from it! i have to use sdb2, since windows likes only ONE partition on a thumb drive... |
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| 15:37.26 | hoxu | twobitwork, that's not even the issue, you don't mix _distributions_, sheesh... even mixing different branches can be dangerous |
| 15:37.59 | Sazpaimon_ | jelly, the date listed on debian-multimedia is 20070329 |
| 15:38.00 | hoxu | and you shouldn't use sid packages in stable, that's what backports is, /msg dpkg bpo & /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:38.08 | twobitwork | hoxu: people mix in unstable all the time |
| 15:38.20 | twobitwork | hoxu: true... backports would be a better way to do it... |
| 15:38.21 | hoxu | twobitwork, and that changes it being not a good idea how? |
| 15:38.26 | soenke | hoxu: ok thanks so far |
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| 15:38.56 | twobitwork | hoxu: I never said it was a good idea... but being rude and just telling him to reinstall and get out isn't the right solution |
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| 15:39.34 | hoxu | twobitwork, well, sorry for the caps, but where did I tell anyone to get out? :p |
| 15:39.43 | twobitwork | and I do know there is a way to figure out which site apt is getting a package from, but I can't remember it |
| 15:39.50 | themill | twobitwork: people aren't touchy about ubuntu, we just don't like wasting our time trying to troubleshoot problems that are not in debian. |
| 15:40.06 | hoxu | and well, mixing distributions is uh... |
| 15:40.15 | twobitwork | themill: some people are a bit touchy about it... |
| 15:40.23 | themill | twobitwork: such as |
| 15:40.24 | soenke | so dpkg doesn't save it anywhere? |
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| 15:40.50 | twobitwork | soenke: well... dpkg is ignorant of apt, apt is what downloads files and tells dpkg to install them |
| 15:40.51 | hoxu | soenke, not that I know of |
| 15:41.01 | soenke | ah ok. |
| 15:41.23 | twobitwork | but I'm sure I heard someone else in here a while ago mentioning a way to determine which mirror apt would use to download a given package... |
| 15:41.26 | jdahm | I'm trying to upgrade to testing and I get some package conflicts when I try to dist-upgrade (something with xorg). Can this be fixed? |
| 15:41.43 | themill | soenke: /msg dpkg list repositories |
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| 15:42.12 | twobitwork | there we go |
| 15:43.54 | jdahm | should i just upgarde and not dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:44.50 | soenke | themill: thanks. that's what i searched for :) |
| 15:45.05 | smacnay | Eulex: no luck. Seems that my bootup wants to load nvidiafb |
| 15:45.09 | __ne2k | from what I've seen of ubuntu it's really very good, but it's not the topic of conversation here |
| 15:45.09 | golumn | hi guys, I install a program using tar.gz files and make. How can I uninstall that program now? |
| 15:45.37 | __ne2k | golumn: you might find that there is an "uninstall" target in the makefile |
| 15:45.54 | golumn | thanks |
| 15:46.46 | hoxu | soenke, seriously, if you mix ubuntu packages with debian it's really easy to hose your system, you have been warned... |
| 15:47.20 | hoxu | golumn, you could try using checkinstall next time |
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| 15:47.47 | smacnay | What do I look for in lsmod to see if an unwanted (and blacklisted) module is being called by a wanted or non-blacklisted module? |
| 15:47.48 | Danker | Hi |
| 15:47.59 | themill | soenke: no worries. |
| 15:48.01 | soenke | hoxu: I don't do so :) it's etch and testing mixed a little bit |
| 15:48.30 | hoxu | soenke, ah well, then you aren't mixing distributions, but branches |
| 15:48.33 | themill | soenke: that's also not advised. |
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| 15:49.13 | sladi | ^^ |
| 15:49.26 | __ne2k | themill: depends whether you want to learn lots or have a completely working system now. I learned loads by mixing branches and breaking things and having to fix them ;-) |
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| 15:50.18 | hoxu | !tell soenke about upgrade path |
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| 15:51.53 | trifler | How I have a question. gnome is like some kind of mega pack? I think it's hideous can I have another graphical login screen and another window manager? And what is compiz part in this? |
| 15:51.55 | soenke | hoxu: I thought branch is something like main, non-free etc |
| 15:52.46 | hoxu | !branch |
| 15:52.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable, or see !version |
| 15:53.28 | hoxu | soenke, I think people usually speak of the version, though |
| 15:53.35 | maligor | trifler, hideous in what way? outlook or size? |
| 15:54.04 | soenke | hoxu: ok got it. thanks for your clarifaction, that channel rocks :) |
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| 15:54.22 | trifler | maligor: apperance, the size about the pack itself it dont really care about. |
| 15:54.53 | themill | dpkg: branch =~ s/see !version/ask me about <version>/ |
| 15:54.53 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 15:55.18 | trifler | I'm just trying to get a grip over what the diffrence or more about the whole graphic situation, x, x.org, window manger and so on. |
| 15:55.24 | maligor | trifler, you can pretty much configure it to look what you like |
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| 15:55.50 | themill | branch is also often called "release" (when you're talking about stable and older, at least) |
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| 15:58.54 | hoxu | themill, to me, it would appear sensible that only stable/testing/unstable would be called "branches"... but I guess no one has carved those terms in stone ;) |
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| 16:01.10 | maligor | trifler, http://www.imagebin.eu/pics/9b8d1e27b528fa625d10c306552ed658.jpg is what I've been using for a while now, the icons are just broken because I installed nautilus from experimental :P |
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| 16:02.15 | maligor | trifler, but there's lots of options to use over gnome, I just couldn't comment on your preferences |
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| 16:04.24 | trifler | maligor: I don't know what I'm out after programwise just that I should be as minimalistic as possible |
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| 16:05.02 | Juventino | guys, when i am having a problem here, can;t figure it out, whenever i try to shut down the laptop, it says something about checking http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html |
| 16:05.18 | __ne2k | trifler: sawfish is pretty minimalist |
| 16:05.29 | Juventino | i checked it, but i still dunno, how can i update shutdown!! |
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| 16:08.16 | wols_ | Juventino: what is your deb package version of the shutdown util? |
| 16:08.36 | dutchfish | i want to know if sourcev3 already made it into lenny/sid, where can i read more about it's status? |
| 16:09.00 | asg | wols_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426224 |
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| 16:09.39 | cognitiaclaeves | I had two ssh sessions open to a debian etch box. I was trying to solve a problem concerning the fact that the NTP server doesn't appear to fire automatically -- I seem to have to update it manually by restarting it -- and the SSH sessions timed out. Flipping back to the Etch box, I saw notifications like the following: "set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 8 to 58" ... Anyone have an idea what happened? Googling set_rtc_mmss seems to indicate that |
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| 16:10.30 | Juventino | wols_, how can i check? |
| 16:10.42 | wols_ | Juventino: read the fscking bugreport |
| 16:10.42 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: what kernel you are running? |
| 16:10.56 | wols_ | Juventino: and you've already been told how to check to what binary a package belongs |
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| 16:11.27 | Juventino | wols_, i checked, and i read it, it returns that error: |
| 16:11.28 | cognitiaclaeves | dutchfish: Looks like 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP |
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| 16:11.39 | Juventino | DISK MIGHT NOT BE SPUN DOWN PROPERLY. UPDATE SHUTDOWN UTILITY. |
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| 16:11.46 | asg | Juventino: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426224 |
| 16:11.46 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: did you install ntpdate along? |
| 16:11.49 | wols_ | Juventino: bullshit |
| 16:11.56 | Juventino | bullshit?? |
| 16:12.09 | wols_ | yes bullhshit. there is a LOT more there |
| 16:12.19 | Juventino | well that is the error that i see! |
| 16:12.19 | cognitiaclaeves | dutchfish: I did not intentionally install ntpdate... just ntp server. Should I install ntpdate as well? |
| 16:12.29 | wols_ | Juventino: fscking read the bug! |
| 16:12.39 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: no, just check dpkg -l | grep ntpdate |
| 16:12.44 | __ne2k | cognitiaclaeves: if ntpd doesn't start, it could be that the offset is too great. either use ntpd -g to avoid that, or run ntpdate first to set the clock before you start ntpd. (ntpdate is deprecated; ntpd -gq is preferred) |
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| 16:13.41 | philsf | I notice that when I transfer files over bluetooth, my bluetooth mouse gets very little responsive. Is this expected? Shouldn't the bt layer be able to reserve some bandwidth for some devices? |
| 16:14.49 | cognitiaclaeves | dutchfish, __ne2k: Could this be happening because Etch is running in a virtual machine that is being suspended / losing IP address for long periods of time? |
| 16:15.07 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: could be, but why is that? |
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| 16:16.03 | cognitiaclaeves | I'm setting up a bugzilla database in a virtual machine on a development laptop that will later be moved to an actual VM server box. |
| 16:16.03 | Juventino | how do i check the fscking's log?! |
| 16:16.27 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 16:16.28 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:17.44 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: if you are running xen you even dont need to have ntpd running in your domU's |
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| 16:18.03 | Juventino | wols_, ?? how do i check it?! |
| 16:18.20 | cognitiaclaeves | dutchfish: Not xen; VMware. |
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| 16:19.17 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: i dont know about vmware, but you could take 1 machine as the timesource for all the others and set it up with accurate time skewing |
| 16:19.35 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: to avoid drift |
| 16:20.09 | cognitiaclaeves | dutchfish: That's a little over my head. Is that in the ntp server's HTML docs somewhere? |
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| 16:20.27 | dutchfish | !ntp |
| 16:20.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 16:20.35 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 16:20.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 16:21.33 | hondu | !factoids |
| 16:21.34 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 16:22.17 | cognitiaclaeves | ok, dutchfish, thanks. |
| 16:22.25 | dutchfish | cognitiaclaeves: yw |
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| 16:25.37 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.44 | Juventino | the shutdown version is: Version: 2.86.ds1-38 |
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| 16:26.04 | waKKu | hi folks.. |
| 16:26.37 | Juventino | hi waKKu |
| 16:27.47 | waKKu | ppl.. I need help for recreate my packages database.. dpkg -l is showing just a few pkgs from my system.. could someone help me with it / |
| 16:27.59 | waKKu | i already did dselect update, aptitude update ... |
| 16:28.10 | cusco | dpkg -l shows all the packages installed on your system |
| 16:28.10 | dpkg | ii shows all the packages installed on your system 3.5-14.3 cusco's private porn collection |
| 16:29.31 | waKKu | cusco where did it get that info ? have some file with it ? I already got problems with avialable file |
| 16:29.31 | waKKu | !available |
| 16:29.31 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
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| 16:30.28 | dutchfish | waKKu: Unless one of the backup files in /var/lib/dpkg for status and such happen to be valid, then there is no way to restore it since the database is the primary source (and probably only) source of the information. |
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| 16:30.53 | waKKu | damn ;/ |
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| 16:31.11 | dutchfish | mumbles something about backups |
| 16:31.46 | Bushmills | backups are for weenies who don't mind redoing their last year of work |
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| 16:32.18 | waKKu | wakko:~# LC_ALL=C dselect update |
| 16:32.24 | waKKu | Information about 18283 package(s) was updated. |
| 16:32.24 | waKKu | wakko:~# dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 16:32.25 | waKKu | 94 |
| 16:32.25 | Bushmills | real men just do it again :) |
| 16:32.25 | hoxu | hrmh, wasn't there a way to (or attempt) rebuild /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 16:32.32 | smacnay | Hi, I think I know why my nvidiafb module is loading even though it has been blacklisted. |
| 16:32.33 | waKKu | noonsense ... |
| 16:32.42 | stew | waKKu: the dpkg -l info come from /var/lib/dpkg/status which is backed up in /var/backups |
| 16:32.45 | hoxu | waKKu, uh, dpkg -l does not list all packages available |
| 16:32.58 | dutchfish | Bushmills: then count me in on the other side (not real man) |
| 16:33.00 | dondelelcaro | you can, in theory, rebuild it using something like find /var/lib/dpkg/info -type f -iname '*.md5sums' -printk '%f\n'|sed 's/\.md5sums//'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; |
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| 16:33.12 | dondelelcaro | but that assumes that /var/lib/dpkg/info is still intact. |
| 16:33.24 | smacnay | in .config of this .deb kernel, config_fb_nvidia is set to (M) but config_fb_nvidia_i2c is set to (Y). |
| 16:33.29 | Bushmills | dutchfish: you're the lazy minority |
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| 16:33.44 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: i2c may not be a separate module |
| 16:33.50 | dutchfish | Bushmills: no, i am just cautious |
| 16:34.11 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: it could just be an option of the fb_nvidia module |
| 16:34.18 | vjoe | hey |
| 16:34.42 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: would that cause the module nvidiafb to load even though it is blacklisted? |
| 16:34.43 | waKKu | well.. the proof : |
| 16:34.44 | waKKu | wakko:/var/lib/dpkg/info# ls -1 *.md5sums | wc -l |
| 16:34.44 | waKKu | 288 |
| 16:34.52 | waKKu | dpkg -l shows me only 94 |
| 16:34.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows me only 94 |
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| 16:35.06 | dondelelcaro | waKKu: well, then you can use that to reinstall those packages |
| 16:35.12 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: sorry - I don't think I understood... |
| 16:35.19 | waKKu | dondelelcaro trying it ;) |
| 16:35.36 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: not every option in the kernel config is a module. Some are options to modules or the kernel itself. |
| 16:35.48 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:35.57 | dondelelcaro | (though you probably should have more than 288 packages installed) |
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| 16:36.20 | Ace2016 | where can i get info about the status about my raid, the raid was resynced when i booted i want to know what is causing it, something like dmesg or a log but for mdadm |
| 16:36.36 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: cat /proc/mdstat; has most of the basic information |
| 16:36.42 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: hmm - I am at a loss as to how to stop this module from loading on boot. |
| 16:36.46 | Ace2016 | i need more detail than that |
| 16:37.03 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: without downloading and hand compiling my own kernel... |
| 16:37.16 | markybob | smacnay, just delete it already. if you dont need it, rm it. big deal |
| 16:37.23 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: it's not a module |
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| 16:37.28 | waKKu | dondelelcaro doesnt work: openvpn is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled. (lot of this) |
| 16:37.40 | dondelelcaro | waKKu: then switch to install |
| 16:37.41 | waKKu | install instead of reinstall ? |
| 16:37.43 | waKKu | ok ;) |
| 16:37.43 | smacnay | markybob: the nvidiafb.ko file? I could try that I guess. |
| 16:37.48 | markybob | smacnay, yes |
| 16:38.07 | stew | waKKu: you could also check /var/backups/dpkg.status.* to see if they are more accurate as a starting point |
| 16:38.28 | smacnay | thanks |
| 16:39.00 | zamba | howto for installing debian using raid-1? |
| 16:39.40 | waKKu | stew no.. bind is installed, but a grep bind /var/backups/dpkg* doesnt show it .. |
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| 16:39.41 | waKKu | it is only in aptitutde... |
| 16:39.43 | waKKu | aptitude.pkgstates.0 |
| 16:39.48 | Bushmills | seems that wmaker has lost popularity. at least it has less exposure now. a while ago, when a wm war started, wmaker was always prominently mentioned. not anymore. |
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| 16:41.21 | snacky | e17 4ever!!one |
| 16:41.34 | Bushmills | too nervous display |
| 16:41.36 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: what in particular do you want to know about the array? |
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| 16:41.51 | Ace2016 | why it spent a long time resyncing |
| 16:42.02 | Ace2016 | the system appeared to shutdown and reboot fine |
| 16:42.22 | Bushmills | also, e17 seems to be dropping ... http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=e17 |
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| 16:42.28 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: dmesg will tell you most of that. |
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| 16:42.45 | Ace2016 | not much |
| 16:43.18 | dutchfish | waKKu: is this a desktop or server, if you have synaptics along maybe it can be done |
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| 16:43.32 | Ace2016 | this is all it said: md: md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction |
| 16:43.42 | Ace2016 | why does not clean even mean, its a raid1 |
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| 16:44.17 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: it means that there's a flag which indicates that the data differs between the drives; presumably that it wasn't stopped before shutdown. |
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| 16:44.46 | Ace2016 | yes it says stopping it is failing |
| 16:45.08 | Ace2016 | i assumed it was because it was the root parition / so it cannot be unmounted at shutdown right? |
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| 16:46.02 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: / can be, actually... |
| 16:46.03 | waKKu | dutchfish a server.. without X ... maybe i can export display.. what can be done ? |
| 16:46.13 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 16:46.15 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: when it can't, it usually means that something hasn't stopped. |
| 16:46.31 | Ace2016 | yea so how do i find out which is still active? |
| 16:46.39 | dutchfish | waKKu: i am afraid not much then |
| 16:46.47 | waKKu | :/ |
| 16:47.01 | Ace2016 | does the system not just call sync before the power is pulled? |
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| 16:47.32 | Bushmills | wakku, grep /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:47.36 | fas3r | rlm_perl is use by defaut by freeradius ? |
| 16:47.40 | nachox | guys, what was the command to check the linux release that was standarized by LSB? |
| 16:47.48 | waKKu | Bushmills ?? |
| 16:47.50 | wols_ | lsb_release -a |
| 16:47.58 | Bushmills | grep bind /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:48.15 | waKKu | Bushmills nothing |
| 16:49.22 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: you add debugging information to S60umount and/or S50mdadm; start with VERBOSE=yes or similar. |
| 16:49.52 | Ace2016 | can you give some more detail about how i do that? |
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| 16:50.14 | Bushmills | aptitude users, are aptitude operations reflected in /var/log/dpkg.log? |
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| 16:50.57 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: I don't have time now, but it's going to be a matter of looking at lsof output and/or ps output at the moment that things are umounted. |
| 16:51.04 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: they're in aptitude's own log. |
| 16:51.08 | Bushmills | ah |
| 16:51.47 | Ace2016 | i'll try and figure it out thanks for giving me a starting point |
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| 16:54.14 | zamba | i want to set up a system with two identical hard drives.. i guess this should be running raid-1 or something.. what is lvm in this mix? should i use that as well? |
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| 16:56.07 | hoxu | zamba, googling for "lvm raid" might clear things up a bit if you aren't afraid of reading |
| 16:56.26 | spreeuw | zamba: I advise to keep it simple |
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| 16:57.00 | spreeuw | but lvm has the advantage of resizing and hot migrating |
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| 16:57.09 | spreeuw | in theory |
| 16:57.45 | WormFood | I have a "virtual dedicated server" that will soon be running redhat 9....is there any way to remotely upgrade it to debian, without breaking everything? |
| 16:58.15 | epsilon | you need raid1 to mirror both drives. You can create filesystems directly on this raid device, or create LVM between - your choice |
| 16:58.22 | zamba | spreeuw: meaning i should just go for raid-1? |
| 16:58.23 | spreeuw | WormFood: in theory yes |
| 16:58.23 | epsilon | so LVM is optional |
| 16:58.43 | WormFood | spreeuw, I know it is possible in theory.....but I want to know if it is possible in practice |
| 16:58.43 | spreeuw | zamba: yes, unless you want to resize stuff |
| 16:59.12 | spreeuw | WormFood: just make another partition install debian onto it in a vm |
| 16:59.12 | WormFood | in theory, I can upgrade everything except the kernel and boot files, and I should be able to convert it to debian |
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| 16:59.18 | spreeuw | then boot that partition |
| 16:59.23 | WormFood | spreeuw, sadly it isn't that simple |
| 16:59.31 | WormFood | it is not like a virtual server I have in front of me |
| 16:59.33 | Fomfeo | hi, where is the c functions are in debian? let's say printf etc |
| 16:59.33 | spreeuw | somehow be sure to have sshd enabled |
| 16:59.52 | WormFood | the server is in Arizona, and I'm in China....little hard to do things, like make a new VM |
| 16:59.55 | hoxu | Fomfeo, that question does not make sense to me |
| 16:59.56 | asg | Fomfeo: install the build-essential package |
| 17:00.06 | hoxu | asg, ah :) |
| 17:00.08 | spreeuw | WormFood: yes I read it that way |
| 17:00.11 | spreeuw | you said remote |
| 17:00.30 | spreeuw | remote will always be scary for things involving booting |
| 17:00.45 | spreeuw | first you should check if it's even allowed with the hoster |
| 17:00.53 | WormFood | if I didn't have web sites being hosted, I could spend some time to play with it |
| 17:00.57 | spreeuw | they may have altered the guest kernels |
| 17:01.21 | WormFood | they claim I can do anything I want, as long as I don't violate their TOS, and their TOS says nothing about changing the VM OS |
| 17:01.21 | spreeuw | and then see if there's a kvm service |
| 17:01.25 | spreeuw | for if it goes wrong |
| 17:01.32 | WormFood | I'm sure there is a modified kernel they are running |
| 17:01.37 | spreeuw | kvms would also simplify fresh install |
| 17:01.52 | WormFood | and if I totally fuck up, I can simply reinstall everything from the web administration "panel" |
| 17:01.55 | spreeuw | you could ask them to install debian maybe |
| 17:02.12 | Fomfeo | hoxu: sorry, where is the lets say stdio.h |
| 17:02.17 | WormFood | I thought about asking them to install debian, but it looks like they have redhat's dick in their ass |
| 17:02.23 | asg | WormFood: you could also choose a hosting provider that gives you debian as a host option. |
| 17:02.48 | WormFood | asg, not that simple, the server has been paid for, for the next 6 or 9 months |
| 17:02.59 | WormFood | also, I have been happy with their uptime, and support |
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| 17:03.16 | WormFood | I did upgrade my old install to support apt-get.....but it is not debian |
| 17:03.30 | hoxu | Fomfeo, see what asg said, stdio.h is in libc6-dev package |
| 17:03.32 | asg | WormFood: if you can't alter their kernel, you could strip down what they provide (turn off services, remove stuff you don't need, etc.) and install debian in a chroot |
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| 17:03.48 | WormFood | actually, it will be running fedora after I upgrade it |
| 17:03.57 | jstephenson | How can I see what's using the sound device at present? |
| 17:04.04 | asg | jstephenson: fuser or lsof |
| 17:04.07 | cahoot | fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* might give some info |
| 17:04.21 | WormFood | asg, I had not thought about installing it in a chroot environment....that may work |
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| 17:04.39 | CSpaceMatrix | hey folks. i need help on my sound drive on my hp tx1000. i reinstalled my etch and added the "options snd_hda_intel model=3stack" to /etc/modprob.d/local |
| 17:05.05 | Sazpaimon_ | was anyone else slightly thrown off by google's new favicon? |
| 17:05.09 | CSpaceMatrix | but music is playing and there is no sound out of system |
| 17:06.01 | jstephenson | asg, cahoot: That worked yeah, thanks. Issue I'm having atm however is if I open Iceweasle before say Rhythmbox after boot, it kills sound entirely until I reboot again. |
| 17:06.08 | hoxu | Sazpaimon_, #google? :p |
| 17:06.31 | Sazpaimon_ | ...there's a #google channel? |
| 17:06.33 | Sazpaimon_ | ...what |
| 17:06.52 | asg | Sazpaimon_: yes |
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| 17:07.18 | asg | Topic for #google: Welcome to #google | Search trigger: ]] | Rules: Don't be dumb ! |
| 17:07.42 | Sazpaimon_ | CSpaceMatrix what do you want |
| 17:07.54 | Sazpaimon_ | [10:07] --- Received a DCC CHAT offer from CSpaceMatrix |
| 17:08.00 | WormFood | hhhmmm....a quick search on google, shows I'm not the only one wanting to do this |
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| 17:08.16 | CSpaceMatrix | oh sorry, i mistakenly i i type DCC! |
| 17:08.19 | WormFood | I see reference to a program called "debtakeover" |
| 17:08.56 | helo | anyone know how to disable auto rejoin on disconnect with epic4? |
| 17:09.16 | asg | WormFood: /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 17:09.56 | WormFood | it appears that it hasn't been updated in quite some time |
| 17:10.13 | asg | WormFood: I'd advise against using it though since your system will be vulnerable for quite a while while you update |
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| 17:10.33 | Haris | Hello people |
| 17:10.36 | fas3r | i have dependance problem i know it's possible to resolv the problem and i need to add line in source.list but i don't remember the website .. if someone understand :) |
| 17:10.45 | WormFood | vulnerable? in what way? |
| 17:10.47 | Haris | How do I check the latest version of a package for lenny/sid? |
| 17:10.50 | Haris | !amavis-new |
| 17:10.54 | Haris | hmm |
| 17:11.07 | asg | WormFood: woody was before sarge and sarge is now no longer supported (from a security perspective) |
| 17:11.32 | hoxu | Haris, packages.debian.org |
| 17:11.35 | asg | fas3r: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:12.03 | fas3r | asg: i remember it's snapshot.debian.org :) |
| 17:12.08 | WormFood | well, I really want to install sid...but woody would be acceptable.....sarge is not acceptable |
| 17:12.27 | asg | WormFood: no, woody is *NOT* acceptable, neither is sarge at this point. |
| 17:12.50 | hoxu | !release history |
| 17:12.50 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 17:12.51 | WormFood | what is the latest stable? |
| 17:12.54 | Eulex | etch |
| 17:12.58 | WormFood | I always run sid |
| 17:13.03 | asg | WormFood: I'd go the chroot route if they don't allow you to use your own kernel. |
| 17:13.23 | Bushmills | WormFood: why not slink? |
| 17:13.27 | WormFood | I don't know about the kernel bit....I doubt I can use my own kernel, but I may be able to |
| 17:13.51 | WormFood | ok, so I want etch or sid, not woody |
| 17:13.55 | Eulex | so use their? |
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| 17:14.01 | WormFood | in either case, chroot should work |
| 17:14.02 | Sazpaimon_ | you'll want to use etch |
| 17:14.12 | Eulex | WormFood, woody is old-old-stable |
| 17:14.23 | WormFood | right Eulex |
| 17:14.29 | WormFood | just old stable |
| 17:14.52 | Sazpaimon_ | ive upgraded a woody install to sarge then to etch before |
| 17:15.00 | Sazpaimon_ | it took some time, but it worked in the end |
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| 17:16.04 | Bushmills | WormFood: is there a rescue system? i.e alternative boot, usually network boot? |
| 17:16.13 | Haris | I see 1:2.5.3-1: as latest for amavisd-new on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=amavis&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all . Yet, when I run aptitude update; apt-get update, I get the same old version 1:2.5.2-2 |
| 17:16.24 | Haris | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free <- is this not enough |
| 17:16.27 | WormFood | I guess my server is running a very modified redhat 9 (it uses apt-get, but with redhat converted debs, and the repository is no longer available) |
| 17:16.37 | WormFood | no Bushmills, not that I can tell |
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| 17:18.02 | CSpaceMatrix | help plz |
| 17:19.12 | hoxu | CharminTheMoose, you see light at the end of the tunnel? It's an incoming dragon |
| 17:20.13 | CharminTheMoose | hoxu, hm, that can't be good then. |
| 17:20.36 | hoxu | CharminTheMoose, would you like to guess what we are feeding it with? |
| 17:20.47 | CharminTheMoose | hoxu, what? |
| 17:20.57 | CharminTheMoose | it better not be moose meat |
| 17:21.10 | hoxu | Think about it tonight when you can't fall asleep. |
| 17:21.11 | Bushmills | WormFood: is a bit tricky then, to change distrib. essentially, shrink partition, create a new one from empty space, mount it, build a minimal root, chroot to it, install stuff. install kernel, massage your boot loader. make that new partition your root partition. |
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| 17:21.53 | WormFood | Bushmills, I should be able to install it over the old partition |
| 17:21.56 | WormFood | while it runs |
| 17:21.59 | Bushmills | no. |
| 17:22.10 | WormFood | why not? |
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| 17:22.45 | WormFood | open files, even if deleted, will still be there (not able to be opened by new program, of course, after deleted) |
| 17:22.59 | WormFood | so running software should continue to work |
| 17:23.17 | WormFood | all I really need running, is the ssh server (or telnet server, but that would be dumb) |
| 17:23.39 | hoxu | WormFood, theories are nice |
| 17:23.42 | Bushmills | too many cause for conflict. you won't replace all at once. so you'll replace apps at a different time than libs, for example. very likely you render the running system disfunct before replacement has been completed. also, you won't be able to overwrite all files while they are still in use. |
| 17:24.05 | helo | what is the best way to introduce entropy into this poor laptop's random pool? been waiting for head -c 3705 to finish for hours |
| 17:24.10 | WormFood | compile ssh statically, and run that |
| 17:24.22 | WormFood | I understand your ideas Bushmills, I just think they are wrong |
| 17:24.44 | WormFood | hoxu, I have a bad habit of doing things other people say are not possible |
| 17:25.18 | Bushmills | WormFood: i have changed distributions on remote servers before. |
| 17:25.22 | hoxu | WormFood, if you want advice on how to hose your system you should go to #ubuntu ;) |
| 17:25.46 | WormFood | hoxu, after I get everything backed up, I can hose the system with the only down side, is more downtime |
| 17:25.49 | Bushmills | well, having an alternative boot is of *huge* help |
| 17:25.54 | hoxu | WormFood, it all boils down to whether or not you value your data and time |
| 17:25.56 | WormFood | I can easily reinstall the entire OS |
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| 17:26.05 | WormFood | the data will be completely backed up |
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| 17:26.16 | WormFood | in fact, I'm backing up now, as we speak |
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| 17:26.38 | hoxu | backing up is nice, verifying you can restore from the backups is even nicer |
| 17:27.25 | WormFood | hoxu, I should have no problems restoring from backups....it only hosts dns, irc, ftp, http, ssh, sql |
| 17:27.47 | Bushmills | (provided the system still runs) |
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| 17:29.13 | WormFood | if the system does not run, then I can easily go back into the control panel, and reinstall the OS |
| 17:29.25 | WormFood | hosing the system is not that big of a problem |
| 17:29.46 | WormFood | BUT I'd like to avoid hosing the system, if possible |
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| 17:30.38 | hoxu | WormFood, while praying, remind God that I have had a pony on the list for a while |
| 17:30.51 | asg | hoxu: don't forget your little red wagon as well |
| 17:31.00 | hoxu | good call |
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| 17:31.50 | helo | i'm trying to use the network, disks, etc, as much as possible to get /dev/random to spit out some more random bits, but nothing is working |
| 17:31.59 | WormFood | hoxu, I AM GOD! |
| 17:32.03 | WormFood | no wait! |
| 17:32.06 | WormFood | there is no god! |
| 17:32.13 | WormFood | except Zeus |
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| 17:32.36 | helo | i can't even get a single additional random digit after the first 40 or so |
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| 17:33.15 | helo | isn't it supposed to slowly churn out random bits after it has been depleted as entropy allows? |
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| 17:33.42 | Bushmills | helo: mouse movement and keyboard typing not effective? |
| 17:33.52 | helo | not so far |
| 17:34.01 | dondelelcaro | helo: check what /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail says |
| 17:34.20 | Bushmills | hmm. random mouse moves should add about 10 .. 20 bytes to entropy buffer |
| 17:34.22 | helo | 47 |
| 17:34.23 | Bushmills | per second |
| 17:34.35 | dondelelcaro | (but directly reading from /dev/random is generally not such a hot idea) |
| 17:34.49 | jelly | beware predictable mouse moves. |
| 17:35.04 | dondelelcaro | helo: then you've got very little entropy; lots of things use it |
| 17:35.12 | philsf | do you guys think it makes sense to post a wishlist bug asking for the source package pine, and the package alpine to provide alternatives to a pine(pinef, pico, etc) link? |
| 17:35.13 | helo | i'm generating keys per http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README |
| 17:36.40 | philsf | having both packages installed, it makes sense for me to do it. I wonder if others would benefit from something like this? |
| 17:37.10 | dondelelcaro | philsf: you can always file wishlist bugs with patches |
| 17:37.22 | dondelelcaro | (as a developer, those are usually the best kind to get) |
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| 17:37.51 | sigo | hi people. a quick question. would specifying the mount point of a partition as /home during a debian installation, affect any existing data on it? |
| 17:38.11 | dondelelcaro | sigo: not unless you told it to format that partition too |
| 17:38.12 | helo | is there a way for me to tell what processes are using my entropy? |
| 17:38.20 | Bushmills | sigo: no |
| 17:38.36 | dondelelcaro | sigo: though you really should always have backups, so it shouldn't matter. |
| 17:38.48 | Bushmills | sigo, except, for directories for user you add created, and files copied into them |
| 17:38.49 | jelly | helo: are there any processes holding /dev/{u,}random open? |
| 17:39.17 | helo | cupsd, head, and gpg... i'm running head and gpg myself, so maybe i'll kill cups |
| 17:39.19 | sigo | dondelelcaro, Bushmills, thanks! even if it was mounted as /home in my current ubuntu installation? |
| 17:39.28 | Sling | bushmills |
| 17:39.32 | Sling | isnt that a brand of whisky |
| 17:39.40 | helo | i wouldn't think it needs that much entropy, but maybe so... |
| 17:39.41 | Bushmills | that too |
| 17:39.46 | jelly | helo: you can always go and strace them to see if they're reading from that fd |
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| 17:39.46 | Bushmills | but t'is also a town |
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| 17:40.34 | jelly | wonders why cupsd would need lots of randomness |
| 17:40.39 | philsf | dondelelcaro: would you give me a hint on what to modify in the packages to get this done via apt/dpkg? maybe including the update-alternatives command in the installation scripts? any info is fine for me to get this started |
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| 17:42.32 | Bushmills | Sling: about 10 km to giant's causeway |
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| 17:42.51 | Sling | i only know whisky's :) |
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| 17:43.12 | Bushmills | en jenever? |
| 17:43.13 | Meaw | hello, im on lenny is it possible to downgrade from php5 to php4? |
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| 17:43.52 | Bushmills | Meaw: should be yes. |
| 17:44.03 | Bushmills | apt-get install php4 |
| 17:44.08 | Bushmills | and remove php5 |
| 17:44.18 | helo | is /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail in bits? |
| 17:44.32 | wols_ | !info php4 lenny |
| 17:44.39 | wols_ | Meaw: why would you do such a foolish thing? |
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| 17:45.03 | Meaw | wols_: i've installed freeradius-dialupadmin and some pages does not work perfect in php5 |
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| 17:45.06 | Meaw | got some errors |
| 17:45.13 | wols_ | Bushmills: there is no php4 in lenny |
| 17:45.19 | wols_ | php4 is EOL |
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| 17:45.23 | chops | !info php4 lenny |
| 17:45.23 | Bushmills | oops |
| 17:45.45 | wols_ | only reason etch ahs it cause it's OOOOOLLD |
| 17:45.55 | Bushmills | things come and go quickly .. |
| 17:46.11 | wols_ | php4 didn't go quickly enough |
| 17:46.31 | WormFood | I'll fuck with this server upgrade later....now I'm going to bed....good night all |
| 17:46.47 | WormFood | thanks for your advice and suggestions |
| 17:46.48 | dondelelcaro | philsf: you'd install pine/pico et al. to /usr/bin/pine.pine /usr/bin/pico.pine, etc. and then set up the alternatives with update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/pine pine /usr/bin/pine.pine or similar; check an existing package for an example |
| 17:47.30 | helo | do many laptops have hardware RNGs? |
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| 17:47.39 | vinvin | hi :l) |
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| 17:48.40 | dondelelcaro | helo: nope |
| 17:48.41 | Meaw | heh, when i remove php5 it removes freeradius-dialupadmin too |
| 17:48.46 | dondelelcaro | helo: you generally won't need them, anyway |
| 17:48.49 | Meaw | looks like the new package is based on php5 |
| 17:48.51 | Meaw | :/ |
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| 17:49.23 | philsf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.40 | dondelelcaro | philsf: in debian/pine.postinst et al. |
| 17:50.14 | philsf | dondelelcaro: cool, and then man debdiff will give me what else I need? Just that? |
| 17:50.27 | dondelelcaro | philsf: pretty much, yes. |
| 17:50.40 | philsf | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
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| 17:53.57 | sigo | dondelelcaro, is there any alternative you could suggest to my problem? |
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| 17:54.30 | dondelelcaro | sigo: what problem? |
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| 17:55.27 | sigo | dondelelcaro, i have ubuntu on my laptop. and i want to switch to debian. i have a partition currently mounted as /home. if i dont format it during the installation, would any data be affected on it? |
| 17:55.41 | sigo | (i will mount it as /home on debian too... ) |
| 17:55.44 | dondelelcaro | sigo: shouldn't be. |
| 17:56.17 | abrotman | sigo: you want to share a /home/ between the two ? |
| 17:57.05 | sigo | abrotman, no. i am currently on ubuntu. i want to switich to debian. i just want the data on that partition to be retained. |
| 17:57.20 | sigo | considering i'd mount that partition as /home on debian too... |
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| 17:59.52 | tudon | you also want program settings in hidden folders to be retained_? |
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| 18:00.07 | sigo | tudon, no. just the data. |
| 18:00.19 | justin | sigo: you can easily tell the debian installer not to format the partitions |
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| 18:00.55 | sigo | justin, yes. i'd do that. but its the home folder in my current ubuntu installation as well. so i was just scared a bit. :) |
| 18:01.15 | justin | sigo: yeah, I would be very careful, but you can definitely do it |
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| 18:02.17 | tudon | you could manualy delete the data you do not wish to keep befor installing the new os. |
| 18:02.36 | justin | tudon: that isn't needed if the data you don't want is already on a separate partition |
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| 18:04.33 | sigo | and since i'll mount it as /home in debian too, i fear it *might* wipe out certain portions of data, since it'd have to write some of its own too. |
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| 18:05.31 | amphi | sigo: eh? |
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| 18:06.14 | Assid | hi |
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| 18:06.40 | Assid | is there a way to know how many MB/sec your getting on each drive/parttition? |
| 18:06.52 | sigo | amphi, i had a problem in installing debian. so that message was regarding that problem.... |
| 18:06.56 | Bushmills | sigo: it is just a partition. you mount it, and it is there. you umount it, and it is gone again. |
| 18:07.05 | hoxu | sigo, yes, you might have problems with applications if the versions differ significantly between ubuntu and debian... depends on the application how it handles older/newer files |
| 18:07.09 | vinvin | Assid: you can try hdparm for each drive |
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| 18:07.22 | vinvin | for partitions, maybe try dd but it should be quite the same |
| 18:07.23 | asg | Assid: you could also monitor iostat |
| 18:07.31 | Bushmills | mounting doesn't change the data, only modifying the data with programs does. |
| 18:07.37 | Trevelyan | HI, any help on what I do about this? |
| 18:07.38 | Trevelyan | # dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:07.38 | Trevelyan | Segmentation fault |
| 18:07.42 | Trevelyan | =/ |
| 18:07.45 | hoxu | Trevelyan, strace |
| 18:07.47 | asg | Trevelyan: strace |
| 18:08.05 | maligor | Assid, depends how accurately you want to measure it I guess |
| 18:08.12 | Assid | i just need MB/sec |
| 18:08.27 | Trevelyan | not installed and all apt says is: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 18:08.27 | hoxu | Assid, you could try "pv < /dev/zero > foo" |
| 18:08.33 | Trevelyan | chicken and egg problem..... |
| 18:08.43 | hoxu | Assid, for write speed |
| 18:08.55 | Assid | err.. i got a cp process going on.. i just need to know how much its doing |
| 18:09.03 | amphi | sigo: it shouldn't touch the partition you mount as /home, unless you tell it to |
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| 18:09.22 | asg | Assid: then use iostat to record values over time and make a few calculations |
| 18:10.15 | sigo | amphi, i wont format that partition. i'll just mount it as /home. (and its /home in my current ubuntu installation as well). would debian installer write something on that partition? |
| 18:10.20 | hoxu | Trevelyan, pastebin last few lines from "strace dpkg --configure -a" |
| 18:10.27 | amphi | sigo: no |
| 18:10.34 | fas3r | how to change resolution in command line ? |
| 18:10.45 | amphi | sigo: not unless you tell it to create a user |
| 18:10.47 | asg | fas3r: resolution of what? |
| 18:10.49 | Trevelyan | hoxu, look up, its not installed and apt gives the error above |
| 18:10.50 | Bushmills | sigo needs all answers three times |
| 18:11.09 | hoxu | Trevelyan, ah, you meant strace is not installed |
| 18:11.13 | Bushmills | so you better repeat your answerr |
| 18:11.24 | amphi | heh |
| 18:11.32 | sigo | is sorry |
| 18:11.39 | amphi | whatever I say three times, is true |
| 18:11.52 | Trevelyan | gdb is: http://paste.debian.net/5009/ |
| 18:12.02 | Trevelyan | asg, hoxu ^ |
| 18:12.22 | fas3r | asg: of screen sorry |
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| 18:12.41 | asg | fas3r: console or X? |
| 18:12.49 | fas3r | console |
| 18:13.25 | sigo | anyways thanks people... |
| 18:13.32 | asg | fas3r: fbset maybe |
| 18:13.43 | hoxu | Trevelyan, what does "dpkg -l |grep -v ^[rip]" say? |
| 18:13.47 | Assid | great i got a partition i cant umount . so i tried with -r and it mounted as readonly |
| 18:13.52 | asg | fas3r: or boot with a different vga=<foo> |
| 18:13.55 | Assid | and i still cant unmount it or -f it |
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| 18:14.04 | hoxu | Assid, lsof the device |
| 18:14.26 | fas3r | asg ha yes thank ;) |
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| 18:14.51 | Trevelyan | http://paste.debian.net/5010/ |
| 18:14.54 | Trevelyan | hoxu, ^ |
| 18:14.57 | Assid | hoxu: pgqadm.py 8832 root cwd DIR 8,33 4096 22511627 /mnt/backup/backups/mercury |
| 18:15.02 | Assid | thats strange |
| 18:15.11 | Assid | that should have nothing to do with that command |
| 18:15.11 | asg | Trevelyan: are you actually running a MIPS box? |
| 18:15.20 | Trevelyan | yes |
| 18:15.24 | Trevelyan | O2 |
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| 18:15.42 | Assid | thanks hoxu |
| 18:15.45 | helo | what ciphers are supported in etch's kernel by default? |
| 18:15.50 | asg | helo: cat /proc/crypto |
| 18:16.50 | hoxu | Trevelyan, hrmh, replace that grep with 'less' and see yourself if there's anything interesting (or try "|egrep -v '^(ii|rc)'") |
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| 18:17.03 | asg | for the ones loaded, look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/crypto for available ones |
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| 18:20.11 | Trevelyan | hoxu, there is a list of stuff that is installed |
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| 18:21.16 | Trevelyan | however I'm going to have to deal with later, unfortunately. please memoserv me, or i'll be back. thank you for the help. |
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| 18:21.48 | hoxu | how does apt figure that "dpkg was interrupted"? |
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| 18:21.52 | name | hello. could someone running debian and having wxPython default(2.6) installed do me a favour? please try this code in a python shell and tell me if you can import: from wx.lib.flatnotebook import FlatNotebook |
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| 18:29.23 | dryrot | does bash history not list commands that return with exit non 0 ? |
| 18:29.31 | crazyfrog | what package contains the command : iostat? |
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| 18:30.00 | asg | crazyfrog: dpkg -S bin/iostat |
| 18:30.28 | asg | crazyfrog: oh, if you don't have it installed, then it's in sysstat |
| 18:30.46 | asg | crazyfrog: in the future, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/foo |
| 18:31.03 | crazyfrog | asg:thanks,i have not installed it |
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| 18:31.53 | name | anyone with wxpython installed? :( |
| 18:32.46 | lRCHelp-v2-105 | www.candansohbet.net www.gencsohbetim.com |
| 18:32.48 | arano | hey, i have 2 directories /var/www/site and /var/www/beta, site is live and in beta i play with stuff till i like, what's the best way to update the files in site rather then just mv or copy them all ? |
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| 18:35.34 | zamaliphe | i need to install php for apache 1.3 |
| 18:36.12 | zamaliphe | !php |
| 18:36.13 | dpkg | hmm... php is ask me about <install php> <php5> <php4 security> <php wants me to download still> <php mysql> <xampp> <phpmyadmin> |
| 18:36.32 | tudon | i know i can ad modes and all. but just wondering why such modes are missing from the configuration gui |
| 18:36.51 | zamaliphe | !php4 |
| 18:36.52 | dpkg | it has been said that php4 security is pretty poor, judging by their trackrecord. Note that since php4 is being abandonned by upstream (php5 was released some years ago after all!), it has been removed from debian for lenny onwards. If an application still hasn't been updated to work with PHP5, then you probably don't want to use it anyway. |
| 18:37.14 | tudon | sry one scrn |
| 18:37.34 | zamaliphe | !install php |
| 18:37.34 | dpkg | To install php5 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5; a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php5, apache-modconf apache enable php5; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php4, use the same instructions but with php4 instead of php5, but ask me about <php4 security> first. |
| 18:37.47 | chops | !php4 =~ s/abandonned/abandoned/ |
| 18:37.48 | dpkg | chops: that doesn't contain 'abandonned' |
| 18:37.59 | chops | !php4 security =~ s/abandonned/abandoned/ |
| 18:37.59 | dpkg | OK, chops |
| 18:38.14 | cusco | there is libapache-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-php5 packages |
| 18:38.22 | cusco | can you guess their differences? |
| 18:38.23 | cusco | :p |
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| 18:39.25 | zamaliphe | msg |
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| 18:44.18 | zamaliphe | i have installed php5 and it work file on browser but when i try it at the bash i get php: command not found |
| 18:45.01 | Eulex | then you probably installed just the apache module for php5, or the binary is named php5 |
| 18:46.10 | epsilon | you need the cli package of php5 |
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| 18:50.15 | zamaliphe | Eulex: thatnks that fix it out |
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| 18:50.39 | zamaliphe | Eulex: sorry thanks :D |
| 18:50.45 | gromozekin | hi |
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| 18:51.16 | gromozekin | can you give me advice? which debian mirror is the fastest? |
| 18:51.27 | gromozekin | hey |
| 18:51.41 | wols_ | how should we know? |
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| 18:51.51 | wols_ | !tell gromozekin about apt-spy |
| 18:52.06 | chops | Hm... so I'm trying to migrate a proftpd configuration to a virtual host configuration. I tried throwing everything that was in proftpd.conf into a <Global> block so that I could start overriding things and moving them to virtual host configs... and the first thing I get is that ServerName is not allowed in a <Global> block. |
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| 18:53.02 | chops | http://www.proftpd.org/docs/directives/linked/config_ref_ServerName.html tells me that that directive _is_ allowed in a <VirtualHost> block, or in the "server config" context (i.e. outside of <Global>)... but that seems wrong to me. Surely if something is allowed in a <VirtualHost> block, it should be allowed to be defined for _all_ virtual hosts, right? |
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| 18:53.20 | Eulex | zamaliphe, yw |
| 18:53.32 | chops | Or as I misunderstanding <Global>? It seems from reading the other docs that anything I put outside <Global> would specifically _not_ affect virtual hosts by default. |
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| 19:06.50 | bdzi | Probably there are openwrt specs? :) |
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| 19:08.11 | Nyle | good afternoon |
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| 19:21.21 | smacnay | well, removing/renaming the nvidiafb module worked. No more loading of it on boot |
| 19:21.52 | markybob | smacnay, sometimes you just need to slap the bitch :P |
| 19:22.09 | chops | Also, looking up the documentation on <Global> in the proftpd docs is delightful |
| 19:22.13 | chops | http://www.proftpd.org/docs/directives/configuration_full.html#CONTEXT-GLOBAL |
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| 19:22.44 | smacnay | markybob, hehe - I have never gone into the module tree and shook one free before. |
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| 19:25.38 | Nyle | hey smacnay |
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| 19:27.12 | pmo | hello, i noticed iceweasel 3.0 was available from experimental, just wnat to ask if any1 tried it, and if it can be used.. faster, java working.. well most stuff working.;; ? |
| 19:27.39 | chops | pmo: It's generally a good bet that if something hasn't made it out of experimental yet, some things about it aren't working well |
| 19:28.39 | pmo | chops, yep.. but for sure.. i dont expect a beta to be.. neither on testing, stable, maybe the reason is.. it is still beta ? |
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| 19:28.45 | chops | Also, I have come to the conclusion that the proftpd configuration syntax is really asinine. Global server configuration must live _outside_ the <Global> block. If you have virtual hosts, you must put a "Port 0" directive at the top level in order for them to actually function. Finally, a virtual host defined on one interface will actually listen on all interfaces unless you use a special "SocketBindTight" directive. |
| 19:29.29 | pmo | chops, what i have noticed, is IE to be faster then iceweasel :(... |
| 19:29.33 | stew | iceweasel 3 is mostly working. it honestly doesn't feel much different than 2.x versions. its probably not in unstable yet because it hasn't been released upstream and therefore doesn't belong in a debian stable release yet |
| 19:30.14 | Assid | hi.. a quick question.. if mdstat shows: [===========>.........] resync = 56.2% (101321408/180000192) finish=24.4min speed=53553K/sec , does this mean EACH of the drive in the raid is getting around 53MB/sec? |
| 19:30.25 | pmo | stew, ok :) but no faster ? i thought 3.0 was supposed to improve speed ? |
| 19:30.34 | Laser | how to mount .flp file in linux? |
| 19:30.51 | Laser | .flp are the freebsd's boot floppies |
| 19:31.10 | twobitwork | Laser: mount -o loop |
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| 19:31.24 | twobitwork | Laser: as in, "mount -o loop mydisk.flp /some/dir" |
| 19:31.29 | Laser | twobitwork: tried that |
| 19:31.34 | Laser | wrong fs type |
| 19:31.36 | twobitwork | you might also have to specify a filesystem type |
| 19:31.46 | Laser | i did a modprobe ufs but same result |
| 19:31.53 | twobitwork | well... ask some BSD people what format their floppies are in |
| 19:31.57 | chops | FFS! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298613 reports a real bug (TLS not working in proftpd virtual hosts configured to listen on 0.0.0.0), and it's marked wontfix with "Me and upstream consider this kind of issue quite secondary. Upstream will not fix it AFAIK." |
| 19:31.59 | pmo | Laser, what says file .flp ? |
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| 19:32.00 | stew | pmo: i don't have a good way of measuring if it is faster. it doesn't feel much different. |
| 19:32.19 | pmo | stew, ok thanks ;-) |
| 19:32.25 | twobitwork | Laser: true... try "file whatever.flp" |
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| 19:33.02 | Laser | Unix Fast File system [v1] |
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| 19:33.30 | twobitwork | Laser: so "mount -t ufs -o loop ..." |
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| 19:33.52 | twobitwork | or is it uffs? |
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| 19:35.23 | Laser | probably ffs |
| 19:35.32 | Laser | ill figure it out. thanks! |
| 19:35.43 | twobitwork | ok |
| 19:35.52 | twobitwork | or you can ask in #freebsd or something |
| 19:35.59 | Laser | i did :) |
| 19:36.03 | Laser | pointed to u guys |
| 19:36.06 | twobitwork | bleh |
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| 19:36.35 | philsf | how can I use the LC_*/LANG/LANGUAGE env vars to set gnome's language to (say) en_US and have every other var pointing to my locale (papersize, etc). I tried setting things in /etc/environment, .bashrc and .bash_profile, and it propagates to my g-terminals, but not to the GUI shell |
| 19:37.11 | ezguy | hi, what package to need to setup partition using uuid? |
| 19:37.12 | markybob | philsf, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:37.52 | ezguy | hi, what package i need to have in order to setup partition using uuid? |
| 19:38.04 | philsf | markybob: it just generates the locales here |
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| 19:38.23 | philsf | (which are already up-to-date) |
| 19:38.43 | philsf | markybob: that's even with -plow |
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| 19:39.04 | markybob | hrm. here it asks which i want installed and which i want as default. you on stable? (lenny here) |
| 19:39.46 | rahul | hitches a plow to markybob |
| 19:39.55 | markybob | falls over |
| 19:40.03 | rahul | hrh. |
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| 19:44.08 | philsf | markybob: nevermind, I got the menus you mentioned (etch), but it doesn't do what I asked, I seems to just set LANG in /etc/environment. Am I missing something? |
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| 19:44.51 | chops | Okay, I'm now giving up on configuring proftpd in a vhost configuration. I really do know what I'm doing but there's very little documentation and what documentation there is doesn't match the server's behavior. I'll find another way. |
| 19:44.53 | philsf | markybob: I mean, I just asked exactly what you mentioned - the locales to build, and the default language |
| 19:45.19 | E-bola | How can i change my default gateway without restarting? |
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| 19:45.28 | philsf | doesn't seem to be a way to set a display language to something different from the locale |
| 19:45.32 | epsilon | chops: what's the prob? |
| 19:45.36 | philsf | (at least in that script) |
| 19:45.37 | chops | E-bola: Edit /etc/network/interfaces, then run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:45.38 | Chrom_ | route add default gw 10.0.0.1 |
| 19:45.52 | E-bola | chops: are you sure that works? |
| 19:45.56 | rmop | hi all |
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| 19:46.00 | E-bola | Chrom: but i already have a default gateway |
| 19:46.03 | E-bola | if i use route to add a new one |
| 19:46.08 | E-bola | will it overwrite the old one? |
| 19:46.12 | Chrom_ | you use route to add any route |
| 19:46.19 | epsilon | route del default gw <ip> |
| 19:46.27 | philsf | markybob: I'd appreciate any ideas |
| 19:46.32 | E-bola | episol: if i del the default route i loose connection? |
| 19:46.35 | Chrom_ | the default gw is just the standard route if none of the other matched |
| 19:46.36 | philsf | or pointers to docs |
| 19:46.37 | E-bola | i dont have local access to the box |
| 19:46.38 | helo | how can i tell how many zeroes are left in /dev/zero? |
| 19:46.57 | E-bola | Chrom: I know, but 2 default gateways is always a bad idea |
| 19:46.58 | epsilon | E-bola: yes you will lose |
| 19:47.08 | markybob | philsf, i misunderstood. anyway, you could try "LANG=foo gnome-session" in ~/.xsession |
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| 19:47.14 | Chrom_ | why would you want 2 default gw? |
| 19:47.22 | E-bola | i dont |
| 19:47.23 | maxspacemax | hell |
| 19:47.25 | maxspacemax | o |
| 19:47.29 | Chrom_ | do you have to change your default or just add a route? |
| 19:47.30 | E-bola | i want to change the default, without loosing my connection |
| 19:47.38 | maxspacemax | I have a problem |
| 19:47.40 | chops | epsilon: Oh. The problem is actually that proftpd is accepting _both_ system logins and logins specified within the configured AuthUserFile, instead of only accepting users I specify in AuthUserFile (which is _not_ what I want). |
| 19:47.43 | epsilon | welcome to hell, maxamillion |
| 19:47.50 | E-bola | hmm added the new one now, i guess i just need to delete the old one then? |
| 19:48.03 | epsilon | chops: tried AuthOrder? |
| 19:48.18 | Chrom_ | if you use that command it overwrites the old one |
| 19:48.19 | E-bola | yep that worked |
| 19:48.25 | chops | epsilon: The problems that led me to be frustrated with vhosts I outlined above: Global server configuration must live _outside_ the <Global> block. If you have virtual hosts, you must put a "Port 0" directive at the top level in order for them to actually function. Finally, a virtual host defined on one interface will actually listen on all interfaces unless you use a special "SocketBindTight" directive. |
| 19:48.29 | maxspacemax | Im install virtualbox |
| 19:48.36 | E-bola | Chrom: thats wrong, it adds a second def. gateway |
| 19:48.37 | Chrom_ | cool |
| 19:49.00 | Chrom_ | ok maybe I didn't get what you need exactly |
| 19:49.01 | maxspacemax | VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED) |
| 19:49.05 | Chrom_ | you have a default gw |
| 19:49.10 | Chrom_ | and you wanna change it |
| 19:49.16 | Chrom_ | or you just wanna add another route? |
| 19:49.16 | E-bola | Thats correct |
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| 19:49.27 | E-bola | my router used to be 10.0.0.1 now its 10.0.0.254 |
| 19:49.45 | E-bola | so i wanted to change the gw to the new ip without loosing connection to the server |
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| 19:49.50 | philsf | markybob: I thought this is what gdm does when you select the language there, but I have no such file (and the setting became specific to my account). Gonna try that, thanks |
| 19:50.06 | Chrom_ | ok and how are you connected to the machine? phisically? |
| 19:50.22 | chops | epsilon: Well, that should certainly be documented in the AuthUserFile directive documentation. http://www.proftpd.org/docs/directives/linked/config_ref_AuthUserFile.html led me to believe that it replaced the system user DB by default (that's what "Specify alternate passwd file" means in English; what the directive actually does would accurately be described by "Specify additional passwd file"). |
| 19:50.43 | Chrom_ | add the second default route and delete the first after |
| 19:50.56 | E-bola | Chrom: thats what i did |
| 19:51.02 | E-bola | and it worked :) |
| 19:51.05 | Chrom_ | ah good |
| 19:51.06 | Chrom_ | ok |
| 19:51.13 | epsilon | chops: could you post your proftpd.conf somewhere... |
| 19:51.37 | Chrom_ | but now that is not persistent. you'll switch back to the old config as soon as the network service is restarted for any reason |
| 19:51.44 | chops | epsilon: I can post the one I _used_ to be using, before I decided not to use vhosts :-) |
| 19:52.37 | chops | Hm, something has happened to the 'pastebin pipe' factoid |
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| 19:53.46 | chops | epsilon: http://pastebin.com/m527c5564 |
| 19:54.03 | epsilon | well I use vhosts and TLS with db and file users, without problem |
| 19:54.43 | Chrom_ | chops: can I ask you why you want DB authentication? |
| 19:54.46 | chops | epsilon: I believe that you do. I'm sure it's possible to get this working, I'm just finding it frustrating, poorly documented, and buggy. |
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| 19:55.49 | philsf | markybob: just for completeness sake, I found out this is probably better done in .dmrc, which is where gdm sets the language. but thanks for your suggestion |
| 19:56.17 | epsilon | chops: DefaultServer can be "off" if you don't need it |
| 19:56.26 | Assid | err.. anyone know whats up ? http://assid.pastebin.com/d5b40270b |
| 19:56.39 | epsilon | and if you only want to add AuthUserFile, you can do it in DefaultServer part, no need for VHost |
| 19:57.02 | epsilon | and don't change the "User" directive unless you know what you are doing |
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| 19:57.38 | epsilon | that's not the user you'll login as. it's the user the server will run as (like proftpd or nobody) |
| 20:00.30 | chops | Chrom_: Because historically I've been using insecure FTP (generally due to client requests), and I certainly don't want to duplicate insecure-FTP logins with system logins |
| 20:00.55 | chops | Chrom_: In general the clients who get ftp access are disjoint with the clients who need shell users anyway. It just works out cleaner to use a separate DB for me. |
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| 20:01.17 | epsilon | you can force to use TLS |
| 20:01.29 | Nyle | endafy, hi |
| 20:01.32 | Nyle | !why debian |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:01.38 | Nyle | endafy, ^^ |
| 20:01.43 | endafy | thinking of switching to debian from ubuntu and was wondering where I can get some good reading material |
| 20:01.47 | endafy | ok ty |
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| 20:02.12 | chops | epsilon: Yes, I know what "User" does. It's documented immediately above, after all :-) |
| 20:02.22 | Chrom_ | chops: but this is an user permission problem, not an authentication problem IMHO |
| 20:03.06 | endafy | nice i hope it works better (once i learn it) better than ubuntu |
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| 20:03.41 | Laser | you guys, there is the solution to my problem: |
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| 20:03.51 | Laser | mount -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=44bsd,loop storage/tftpboot/setup/kern1.flp storage/tftpboot/setup/kern1 |
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| 20:03.56 | endafy | ok what cd's will I need to get it working with KDE 3.5.9 |
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| 20:04.04 | Hal9000 | hannibal:~# gem install mongrel mongrel_cluster daemons |
| 20:04.04 | Hal9000 | /usr/bin/gem:23: uninitialized constant Gem::GemRunner (NameError) |
| 20:04.05 | Hal9000 | why is that? |
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| 20:04.30 | keith4 | endafy: if you have decent bandwidth, use the netinstall |
| 20:04.36 | endafy | do I need every cd there? |
| 20:04.41 | keith4 | no |
| 20:04.46 | endafy | i need wifi support |
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| 20:05.01 | keith4 | to install? |
| 20:05.05 | endafy | so I need a full cd to get my net working |
| 20:05.09 | markybob | endafy, debian stable doesnt have kde 3.5.9 :P (fyi) |
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| 20:05.43 | endafy | so the debian kde cd doesnt contain 3.5.9? |
| 20:05.48 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:05.53 | markybob | endafy, nope |
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| 20:06.17 | dryrot | so i've gotten Cacti+Apache2 working on my local machine. now how do i configure snmp on another debian box on my network ? |
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| 20:06.50 | Chrom_ | dryrot: what is the problem exactly? |
| 20:06.53 | endafy | so the netinstall may be my best bet i have to go do some googling about my wifi card and all |
| 20:06.55 | keith4 | install snmpd? |
| 20:07.09 | keith4 | endafy: save yourself a lot of trouble, plug into ethernet for installation |
| 20:07.26 | endafy | I would have to move a bunch of crap |
| 20:07.41 | dryrot | Chrom_: I have cacti running. yay. now how do i configure snmp and snmpd on another box so i can start gathering data ? |
| 20:07.56 | keith4 | install snmpd |
| 20:07.57 | Chrom_ | can you gather data for the local box already? |
| 20:08.02 | dryrot | Chrom_: yes |
| 20:08.05 | Chrom_ | ok |
| 20:08.07 | endafy | the wife bitching is more trouble than getting something working |
| 20:08.10 | stew | endafy: which chipset does your wifi have? |
| 20:08.12 | multi_io | !paste |
| 20:08.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 20:08.15 | Chrom_ | do the remote and local boxes ping eachother? |
| 20:08.34 | endafy | wusb54g linksys |
| 20:08.46 | dryrot | Chrom_: checking.... yes. |
| 20:08.49 | Chrom_ | ok |
| 20:08.54 | Chrom_ | now on the remote box |
| 20:08.59 | Chrom_ | apt-get install snmpd |
| 20:09.09 | stew | endafy: knowing the chipset is more important than the make and model. do you know which kernel module you use for this card in ubuntu? |
| 20:09.16 | markybob | endafy, then you want the kmuto install. i think wusb54g is supported starting with 2.6.24 |
| 20:09.30 | endafy | ty |
| 20:09.30 | Chrom_ | then you have to configure /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf and /etc/defaults/snmpd.conf |
| 20:09.32 | endafy | beat me too it |
| 20:09.34 | multi_io | now look at this nice Heisenbug: http://paste.debian.net/5024/ |
| 20:09.42 | multi_io | how come?? |
| 20:09.44 | markybob | !tell endafy about kmuto |
| 20:09.49 | n3kl | I just got ldap up and running, for no real reason, but now I would like to put it to use. What sort of things can you do with it? |
| 20:10.18 | Chrom_ | dryrot: done? |
| 20:10.36 | endafy | nyle this is more handholding than I ever expected lol |
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| 20:10.46 | endafy | i love the community already |
| 20:10.58 | Nyle | debian kicks ass |
| 20:11.05 | toad_ | anyone here use courier-imapd? i'm having some problems changing the password for a user... |
| 20:11.10 | n3kl | pretty much true |
| 20:11.11 | keith4 | n3kl: wow, that's a very open-ended question |
| 20:11.22 | endafy | much more helpful than #ubuntu ever was |
| 20:11.25 | keith4 | toad_: using what for auth? |
| 20:11.28 | toad_ | i've tried "userdbpw -md5 | userdb evelyn set systempw", then makeuserdb, then restart authdaemon and imap ... |
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| 20:11.34 | toad_ | keith4: the default, usedbd |
| 20:11.36 | toad_ | userdb |
| 20:11.53 | dryrot | Chrom_: snmpd is now running on my remote debian machine |
| 20:11.57 | tempb0y | hi all i need to upgrade packages on my distro and its been so long since the install was done (2004) i forget which i installed. how can i tell? |
| 20:11.57 | Chrom_ | ok |
| 20:12.05 | toad_ | it seems to be working for my other account |
| 20:12.10 | Chrom_ | now vim /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
| 20:12.15 | n3kl | Well, I know ldap can authenticate stuff, but what else? Is it secure? I am nervouse about putting all of my passwords of up ldap if they are sitting in the clear. |
| 20:12.16 | keith4 | tempb0y: "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade"? |
| 20:12.24 | chops | keith4: No |
| 20:12.33 | jelly-home | !tell tempb0y -about version |
| 20:12.40 | endafy | thank God you all don't use that sudo crap |
| 20:12.41 | keith4 | yikes. 2004? |
| 20:12.47 | chops | tempb0y: What does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? What about 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1'? |
| 20:12.53 | Chrom_ | dryrot: or edit with the editor you like |
| 20:12.55 | jelly-home | endafy: trolling for fun? |
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| 20:13.07 | endafy | no switching from ubuntu to debian |
| 20:13.08 | dryrot | Chrom_: ok |
| 20:13.23 | Chrom_ | find the line "com2sec paranoid default public" |
| 20:13.28 | toad_ | hmmm where do i find out what it's set to ? |
| 20:13.34 | chops | endafy: I personally do use that sudo crap. |
| 20:13.36 | toad_ | i know it didn't work until i created the userdb |
| 20:13.37 | tempb0y | chops there it is! 3.1, i did /etc/version :) |
| 20:13.44 | dryrot | Chrom_: ok |
| 20:13.50 | n3kl | sudo is helpfull |
| 20:13.52 | tempb0y | chops, i now need to update open office. how can i do so without breaking my system? |
| 20:13.56 | Chrom_ | delete it and write this instead |
| 20:13.58 | jelly-home | tempb0y: you seem to be running sarge, the previous stable release |
| 20:13.58 | endafy | it gets in my way |
| 20:14.00 | keith4 | n3kl: you might want to try #ldap for general ldap info |
| 20:14.08 | Chrom_ | com2sec readwrite IP PASSWORD |
| 20:14.09 | chops | tempb0y: So not so bad. Do the upgrade from sarge to etch, and then go from there if need be |
| 20:14.12 | n3kl | keith4: ah, good thinking |
| 20:14.14 | jelly-home | !tell tempb0y about sarge->etch |
| 20:14.14 | Chrom_ | where IP is the IP of the cacti box |
| 20:14.15 | chops | ~tell tempb0y about sarge->etch |
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| 20:14.27 | jelly-home | dpkg lives! |
| 20:14.27 | dpkg | did you doubt that, jelly-home? |
| 20:14.27 | samantha-- | l |
| 20:14.31 | Chrom_ | and password is the community (password) you wanna set |
| 20:14.51 | dryrot | Chrom_: done |
| 20:15.18 | tempb0y | thanks |
| 20:15.24 | toad_ | hmmm, in fact it IS using pam |
| 20:15.24 | chops | tempb0y: np |
| 20:15.25 | toad_ | doh |
| 20:15.32 | Chrom_ | ok now copy the very same line one more time but change the IP with localhost so that you can monitor also from localhost |
| 20:15.50 | toad_ | okay, i want to have a separate password for IMAP... does this mean creating a userdb? |
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| 20:18.47 | Chrom_ | dryrot: done? |
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| 20:19.19 | digitaloktay | Hello Debian |
| 20:19.21 | dryrot | Chrom_: done |
| 20:19.25 | Chrom_ | ok, now more down inthe file search the block of lines that start with the line "group MyROSystem v1 paranoid" |
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| 20:19.41 | dryrot | ok |
| 20:20.25 | Chrom_ | I want you to change all the "paranoid" statements with "readonly". they should be 3 if I remember |
| 20:20.27 | fas3r | with freeradius 2.0, the file db_mysql.sql don't exist in the package . It's the same like 1.x ? |
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| 20:21.35 | dryrot | Chrom_: i did it, on local and remote |
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| 20:22.04 | Chrom_ | on local cacti is not a great idea |
| 20:22.11 | Chrom_ | anyways, it will still work |
| 20:22.17 | Chrom_ | now save and close the file |
| 20:22.35 | Chrom_ | now edit /etc/default/snmpd |
| 20:22.47 | dryrot | ok |
| 20:23.02 | Chrom_ | there must be a line with 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:24.13 | Chrom_ | can you see it? |
| 20:24.47 | dryrot | yes |
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| 20:25.02 | Chrom_ | ok delete 127.0.0.1, and leave all the rest alone. don't touch the leading and trailing ' |
| 20:25.40 | dryrot | ok |
| 20:25.46 | Chrom_ | good. save and exit |
| 20:26.02 | Chrom_ | now cast /etc/init.d/snmpd restart |
| 20:26.09 | dryrot | ok |
| 20:26.15 | Chrom_ | restarted also? |
| 20:26.49 | dryrot | yes |
| 20:27.13 | Hal9000 | how can i format a hard drive so that nothing can be recovered from it? from command line... |
| 20:27.16 | Chrom_ | good, now back to the cacti machine please. as root issue this command: snmpwalk REMOTEIP -v1 -c PASSWORD |
| 20:27.41 | Chrom_ | where REMOTEIP is the ip of the remote machine and PASSWORD is the password you set before in the config. and tell me if you see output |
| 20:27.52 | dryrot | done. i get back a lot of stuff |
| 20:28.22 | Chrom_ | great. it works. the cacti box issued an snmp query to the remote one listening on the SNMP port. and it replied |
| 20:28.32 | Chrom_ | so now go to the cacti web interface |
| 20:28.37 | samantha-- | should all of /var/lib/mysql be owned mysql.mysql? i'm trying to rescue a dead drive |
| 20:28.39 | Chrom_ | login |
| 20:29.02 | Chrom_ | and go to the "devices" menu (if I remember correctly the name of the menu) |
| 20:29.28 | Chrom_ | it's a menu on the left column |
| 20:30.04 | ma3x | how can i install version 1.2 of XviD? |
| 20:30.17 | Chrom_ | found? |
| 20:31.04 | dryrot | yes |
| 20:31.05 | jelly-home | ma3x: how can you install any version of xvid? |
| 20:31.06 | Chrom_ | ok now on the right side there should be a small link: "add". from there you can add a new device to monitor. click it. |
| 20:32.00 | dryrot | samantha--: i think it is fine to have every single file in /var/lib/mysql/ owned by mysql:mysql |
| 20:32.32 | dryrot | oh there it is. ok , clicked |
| 20:32.35 | Chrom_ | ok now you have to fill the form. name of the machine to monitor, IP, community (the password you set before). All the rest should be left as default. |
| 20:32.47 | ma3x | jelly-home: i dunno |
| 20:32.58 | Chrom_ | then click save or add, I don't remember |
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| 20:33.09 | samantha-- | okay. in this situation, when bringing mysql back up, i'm getting access denied for debian-sys-maint@localhost, essentially, a password error. how can i reset this so mysql will start properly? |
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| 20:33.29 | jelly-home | ma3x: so why do you ask for 1.2 specifically? |
| 20:33.43 | ma3x | jelly-home: because i need to install that version |
| 20:33.48 | jelly-home | ma3x: why? |
| 20:33.49 | Chrom_ | ah, something important! |
| 20:34.02 | Chrom_ | also select the kind of device you are about to monitor |
| 20:34.11 | Chrom_ | (linux machine) |
| 20:34.18 | Chrom_ | or you'll get no graphs |
| 20:34.27 | Chrom_ | then save it |
| 20:34.48 | ma3x | jelly-home: because only 1.2 and up uses multithreading |
| 20:34.48 | dryrot | 'local linux machine' ? |
| 20:35.09 | Chrom_ | yes you can start with that. there are better templates that you can install later though |
| 20:35.31 | dryrot | what is my SNMP Username ? |
| 20:35.33 | jelly-home | ma3x: I guess the best bet is to wait until it appears in d-m |
| 20:35.38 | jelly-home | !d-m |
| 20:35.38 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 20:36.09 | Chrom_ | SNMP username? |
| 20:36.10 | Chrom_ | mmm |
| 20:36.19 | Chrom_ | do you have a default there? |
| 20:36.33 | dryrot | no, it's blank |
| 20:37.05 | jelly-home | ma3x: if you're able, you can try rebuilding the package binaries using d-m deb-src and upstream's new tarball |
| 20:37.21 | Chrom_ | you mean hostname? |
| 20:37.25 | abrotman | jelly-home: honestly? |
| 20:37.36 | ma3x | jelly-home: I guess 1.2 src is not even available |
| 20:37.45 | Chrom_ | ah no sorry, you are watching SNMP v2 or v3 |
| 20:37.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm an optimist! |
| 20:37.49 | Chrom_ | leave it blank |
| 20:37.58 | Chrom_ | only fill SNMP community |
| 20:38.45 | Chrom_ | now after saving the query takes place (the same output that you saw in the terminal in going on between cacti and the remote machine) you should have a further webpage where to select what to query. you select everything and confirm. |
| 20:38.57 | dryrot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | Chrom_ | ok go back to devices |
| 20:39.59 | jelly-home | ma3x: I don't get it. Why do you ask about xvid 1.2 if it's not even available yet? How do you know about it, then? |
| 20:39.59 | Chrom_ | delete the bad entry that you just created |
| 20:40.10 | jelly-home | hangs a sign: will backport for beer (or cash) |
| 20:40.14 | Chrom_ | click again add |
| 20:40.25 | ma3x | jelly-home: person from #mplayer told me to install it. but I guess it;s only for windows for now |
| 20:40.29 | ma3x | never told me that |
| 20:40.39 | dryrot | http://i27.tinypic.com/2h3vue0.jpg . ok deleting... |
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| 20:40.46 | jelly-home | ma3x: so ask that person about it. |
| 20:40.53 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:40.57 | Chrom_ | you have a blank Description field. fill it with a name for the remote machine |
| 20:41.12 | Chrom_ | ok I see a few mistakes there |
| 20:41.26 | Chrom_ | do exactly this: add a new device as before |
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| 20:41.42 | Chrom_ | in the Description field put just any name that you like |
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| 20:42.03 | Assid | hi i have md1 setup in software raid as raid1 .. how do i get rid of it.. as in if i dont need it anymore.. i want to break it apart and remove them all toegther |
| 20:42.03 | Chrom_ | in the hostname put the IP of the remote machine as you did with the snmpwalk command |
| 20:42.17 | jelly-home | ma3x: if you visit upstream channel, they're going to assume you're able to use upstream sources and give you similar advice. It doesn't mean your favorite distro has already packaged the stuff. |
| 20:42.20 | Chrom_ | in host template select local linux machine |
| 20:42.34 | dryrot | yeah i thought that might be it, doing... |
| 20:42.51 | Chrom_ | in snmp community put the password you set before, and leave blank the other 2 fields |
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| 20:43.19 | Chrom_ | snmp username and password should be blank |
| 20:43.20 | jelly-home | ma3x: so, if #mplayer says to install newest FOO, that probably means you have to build and install FOO by yourself |
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| 20:43.31 | dryrot | leave password blank? really? |
| 20:43.34 | Chrom_ | leave all the rest as dafault |
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| 20:44.28 | chops | ma3x: Upstream support will tell you totally different things from #debian -- obviously we think #debian's way is superior :-), but you should pick one or the other, follow the advice, and go to the people who originally gave you advice with any problems. |
| 20:44.30 | Chrom_ | yes you are not using the snmp version 3. you are using snmp version 1 which doesn't authenticate with user/pass but just with the so called community, that is the password you entered before and that you have to put in the SNMP community field that has "public" as default |
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| 20:44.53 | socr | how can i find out which packages are installed ? |
| 20:45.00 | abrotman | !installed |
| 20:45.00 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 20:45.13 | Chrom_ | so you have 3 fields: SNMP community with your password, and other 2 SNMP v3 that are blank |
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| 20:45.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: spot the extra rtfm! |
| 20:45.38 | dryrot | Chrom_: ok that worked better. |
| 20:45.39 | Penol | I installed VHCS2 and i wont to remove, how to do that? |
| 20:45.42 | Chrom_ | good |
| 20:45.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think it needs more :) |
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| 20:45.49 | Chrom_ | now click on create graphs for this host |
| 20:45.50 | abrotman | Penol: ask them .. it's not in debian |
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| 20:46.30 | dryrot | Chrom_: ok. |
| 20:46.32 | Chrom_ | click all the checkboxes and save |
| 20:47.10 | Spec | it seems i get "lockd: failed to monitor x.x.x.x" messages, until statd starts up, when should statd start up to avoid these error messages? |
| 20:47.22 | dryrot | Chrom_: ok |
| 20:47.25 | Chrom_ | good. we are almost done |
| 20:47.34 | th1 | is there anything like ksysguard for gnome? the "system monitor" that comes by default is extremely basic.. |
| 20:47.36 | Chrom_ | now on the left pane click graph trees |
| 20:47.52 | ma3x | how do i merge 2 .dump files? |
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| 20:48.19 | th1 | ma3x, what's a .dump file? linux doesn't use extensions.. |
| 20:48.24 | Chrom_ | dryrot: what do you see? |
| 20:48.28 | dryrot | Chrom_: Default Tree |
| 20:48.33 | Chrom_ | click it |
| 20:48.40 | ma3x | th1: it's a stream.dump (from mplayer) |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | tried asking #mplayer? |
| 20:48.50 | Chrom_ | now from inside default tree click add |
| 20:48.52 | ma3x | i want to merge it without changing the extension |
| 20:48.53 | th1 | ma3x, that would depend on the format then |
| 20:48.57 | ma3x | i asked already, they're idle |
| 20:49.02 | abrotman | so wait |
| 20:49.15 | dryrot | ma3x: is it a WAV? what is it? file stream.dump |
| 20:49.25 | dryrot | Chrom_: done |
| 20:49.26 | ma3x | it's video+audio |
| 20:49.30 | th1 | probably wmv ;) |
| 20:49.32 | trifler | !tell trifler about x.org |
| 20:49.42 | Chrom_ | dryrot: ok now in tree item type select host |
| 20:49.49 | ma3x | first off when i have the 2 files I get this: dvd2-1.dump: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex |
| 20:50.09 | ma3x | but then when i merge them using mencoder, they become dvd.dump: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 704 x 576, 25.00 fps, video:, audio: Dolby AC3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) |
| 20:50.20 | digitaloktay | wich bash dir show me my screen resolution? |
| 20:50.22 | ma3x | so the damn format changes |
| 20:50.25 | ma3x | i dont want that |
| 20:50.27 | th1 | ma3x, you need a video editing tool. possibly you can do it using the ffmpeg tools, but you need to know what format it is |
| 20:50.33 | abrotman | ma3x: you're far better off in #mplayer than here |
| 20:50.33 | th1 | and you need to read alot before you'll be able to do it |
| 20:50.44 | trifler | abrotman: sorry |
| 20:50.49 | dryrot | Chrom_: i dont see it. |
| 20:50.58 | Chrom_ | what do you see? |
| 20:51.28 | ma3x | but how do you merge 2 files? |
| 20:51.30 | ma3x | any files? |
| 20:51.34 | abrotman | cat |
| 20:51.55 | markybob | you cant just merge video files like they're text files and expect it to work |
| 20:51.55 | ma3x | there is no command like 'split' or something? |
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| 20:52.11 | trifler | Can I via ssh make all the aptitude installns and configuration without it making any difference? |
| 20:52.12 | abrotman | split merges files? |
| 20:52.19 | keith4 | you can for some formats. if you re-index, that is. |
| 20:52.21 | ma3x | abrotman: split splits |
| 20:52.29 | dryrot | Chrom_: http://i30.tinypic.com/28jvck2.jpg |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | thanks |
| 20:52.45 | markybob | heh |
| 20:52.51 | dryrot | ma3x: split is not same as merge! |
| 20:52.54 | Chrom_ | dryrot: click on add |
| 20:53.14 | dryrot | ma3x: you can probably concatenate the stream dumps with a combination of ffmpeg and kino |
| 20:53.19 | ma3x | dryrot: split is for splitting files, why isn't there 'merge' for merging them? |
| 20:53.25 | abrotman | cat |
| 20:53.36 | dryrot | ma3x: you could try cat FILE1 >> FILE2 |
| 20:53.38 | Eulex | cat as in concatenate |
| 20:53.45 | keith4 | no, cat as in "meow" |
| 20:53.55 | dryrot | Chrom_: oh ok. i see it now |
| 20:54.03 | Chrom_ | dryrot: ok |
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| 20:54.13 | Chrom_ | so select your host and click on create |
| 20:54.24 | Chrom_ | tell me when you are ready |
| 20:54.34 | dryrot | Chrom_: ready. |
| 20:54.44 | Chrom_ | now on top of the page click on graphs (left top) |
| 20:54.58 | Chrom_ | you have your tree with your host |
| 20:55.26 | Chrom_ | it takes time before you see graphs, and some more time before you see data in the graphs. |
| 20:55.32 | digitaloktay | how can i see my screen resolution on bash? |
| 20:55.40 | Chrom_ | 5 minutes for the first polling to create graphs and another 5 to see the first data |
| 20:55.43 | abrotman | xrandr maybe ? |
| 20:56.08 | Chrom_ | that's it dryrot |
| 20:56.11 | Chrom_ | can you see graphs? |
| 20:56.19 | Assid | err.. how do i delete the md1 partition? |
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| 20:56.23 | Assid | :( |
| 20:56.30 | dryrot | Chrom_: i see the graphs. now i will add my 20 different hosts. |
| 20:56.36 | Chrom_ | ok |
| 20:56.52 | dryrot | does it matter if im running snmpd 1 2 or 3 ? |
| 20:57.01 | Chrom_ | yes it matters |
| 20:57.07 | Chrom_ | the default is v1 |
| 20:57.20 | dryrot | i hope centos 5 and debian stable all use v1 |
| 20:57.21 | Chrom_ | apt-get install snmpd in debian will bring up v1 |
| 20:57.49 | Chrom_ | if the host has snmp v3 you have to specify that on the cacti add host page |
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| 20:58.21 | Chrom_ | and before messing up with the web interface, always test if the server and client talk to eachother with the snmpwalk command |
| 20:58.40 | dryrot | Chrom_: sounds good. thanks. now i get to write this all down for my coworkers. |
| 20:58.43 | Chrom_ | if you see output you are sure that the guys are talking to eachother correctly |
| 20:59.32 | Chrom_ | dryrot: if you need any professional consulance I can do that too :) |
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| 20:59.43 | dryrot | yeah you seem to be very familiar with this |
| 21:00.30 | Chrom_ | I'm responsible for hundreds of hosts for an ISP and for many other companies, and of course I have to monitor them all |
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| 21:01.17 | th1 | Chrom_, what is your main "overview" tool for snmp watching? |
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| 21:01.35 | jelly-home | we have an antique installation of netsaint 0.6 and it's much more stable than any nagios tried |
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| 21:01.40 | dryrot | i got nagios to call me up through asterisk when a host is down |
| 21:01.41 | Chrom_ | th1: what do you mean for overview? |
| 21:01.50 | th1 | like a gui thing that gives you a quick overview of the situation |
| 21:01.56 | th1 | or web thing |
| 21:02.20 | Chrom_ | cacti is fine. now I'm testing zabbix |
| 21:03.03 | th1 | ah |
| 21:03.09 | th1 | looks nice from the screenshots |
| 21:03.15 | Chrom_ | th1: but it mainly depends on if you want a quantitative or qualitative overview |
| 21:03.30 | th1 | I only got like 4-5 servers |
| 21:03.42 | dryrot | the screenshot says France is down |
| 21:03.56 | Chrom_ | and do you need thresholds or alarms? |
| 21:04.07 | Chrom_ | and do you need to be warned when something is down? |
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| 21:04.31 | th1 | yes |
| 21:04.59 | th1 | and also if something changes a lot suddenly, (if possible) |
| 21:05.21 | Chrom_ | ok cacti has a plugin called thresholds that can send an email to warn you when something goes wrong. you can then easily setup a GSM gateway ot an email to sms service to call a phone |
| 21:05.52 | Chrom_ | yes you can configure how quickly the warning will react to changes of the query |
| 21:06.41 | th1 | it sounds good |
| 21:06.44 | th1 | plus it runs on debian.. |
| 21:06.46 | Chrom_ | the only problem with cacti is that it's not too flexible if you want a more frequent (less than a minute) polling frequency |
| 21:07.11 | th1 | 1 minute should be fine |
| 21:07.22 | dryrot | don't run your nuclear power plant with cacti |
| 21:07.32 | Chrom_ | I had to hack it a lot to make it poll every 20 seconds |
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| 21:07.39 | Chrom_ | you can still do that |
| 21:07.52 | th1 | how does it work, it has a daemon for collecting data and php scripts to show them? |
| 21:07.53 | Chrom_ | and I guess the new versions are able to make better underminute polling |
| 21:07.59 | Chrom_ | both of them |
| 21:08.14 | Chrom_ | you can choose how to poll |
| 21:08.16 | th1 | stores its stuff in a mysql database? |
| 21:08.27 | Chrom_ | yes |
| 21:08.38 | Chrom_ | rrdtool + mysql is the backend |
| 21:08.38 | th1 | because, mysql is one of the things its supposed to be monitoring ;) |
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| 21:09.05 | Chrom_ | no, be careful, it does not monitor services |
| 21:09.13 | Chrom_ | at least not out of the box |
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| 21:09.39 | krassy | Hi |
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| 21:10.18 | Chrom_ | guys I gotta go. drop me a line if you need more help postmaster@praimsrl.it |
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| 21:10.36 | Chrom_ | cya |
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| 21:12.58 | krassy | Which bash command i need to print a specific row number from a text file. For example 103-th row ? |
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| 21:13.08 | tomd123 | So I was wondering why the updated dvd 1 is 2200 mb and the original it is > 4gb. In the faq, it said you don't need both, so i'm assuming the updated one is the one to go with, but I'm still a little uneasy in the huge gap in it |
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| 21:13.42 | jodd | how do I --force-depends on apt-get? |
| 21:13.47 | Bushmills | krassy: there is no bash builtin for that. but you can use the command cut. |
| 21:14.11 | Bushmills | oh. row. not column, use sed :) |
| 21:14.22 | Deezire | jodd: apt-get install --force-depends? |
| 21:14.27 | Deezire | (if thats a valid switch..) |
| 21:14.33 | jodd | I didnt see it in man |
| 21:14.57 | jodd | I need apt to try to install all dependencies, but to --force if it's not possible |
| 21:15.15 | jodd | it just refuses |
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| 21:15.34 | Deezire | Apt will install depencies if they're needed. |
| 21:15.54 | jodd | but it refuses to do anything if one is missing |
| 21:15.55 | Trevelyan | Hi, I was in earlier but had another commitment. dpkg on my mips (sgi o2) is segfaulting: http://paste.debian.net/5009/ I was asked for the following dpkg output: http://paste.debian.net/5034/ |
| 21:16.04 | jodd | even if I know for a fact that it is unnecessary |
| 21:16.11 | Chrom_ | cat FILE | head -n N | tail -n1 |
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| 21:16.19 | Deezire | They download the .debs locally and try again. |
| 21:16.21 | Chrom_ | where N is the line number |
| 21:16.24 | Trevelyan | can anyone help? with ^ |
| 21:16.32 | jodd | I tried apt-get install ... -d -m |
| 21:16.40 | jodd | but it doesnt even download them apperently |
| 21:16.42 | samantha-- | trying to figure out smartmontools. i want to do a surface scan and map bad blocks that have developed. data preservation is not an issue, so a destructive format that accomplishes this goal is okay. what tool do i need to be googling? i'm obviously missing something. |
| 21:16.59 | jodd | I thought it would download at least, and let me do it manually |
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| 21:17.14 | jodd | oh well, I'll try something else |
| 21:17.25 | Chrom_ | krassy: not cut |
| 21:17.48 | Chrom_ | krassy: use: cat FILE | head -n N | tail -n1 |
| 21:17.58 | Chrom_ | krassy: where N is the line number |
| 21:18.06 | Bushmills | krassy: sed -n start,endp file |
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| 21:18.59 | jodd | I think that "cat |" is a misuse of cat |
| 21:19.05 | jodd | since head takes a file |
| 21:19.15 | markybob | krassy, note that you dont need an end. so you could do `sed -n 103p foo` |
| 21:19.26 | Chrom_ | jodd: good point. it's not a misuse but it can be skipped |
| 21:19.50 | jodd | there's an acronym for that |
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| 21:20.19 | markybob | !uuoc |
| 21:20.19 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 21:20.31 | jodd | yep :) |
| 21:20.32 | krassy | cat FILE | head -n N | tail -n1 is too slow in the cycles - probably 8 000 000 iterations in 9 hours |
| 21:20.52 | jodd | except I wish grep took the filename first |
| 21:21.02 | Chrom_ | krassy: you need something quick? you didn't tell us that |
| 21:21.04 | jodd | It's harder to go back a line in the shell and change the pattern |
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| 21:21.31 | Chrom_ | grep can output the filename with -H |
| 21:21.48 | Bushmills | yeah, even an awk line counter and target line matching is quicker |
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| 21:23.14 | Bushmills | there is a pure bash way btw. |
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| 21:24.18 | Bushmills | translate space to %20, translate linefeed to space. read into array variable. index 103th element. translate %20 to space |
| 21:24.23 | jelly-home | !wayttd krassy |
| 21:24.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, krassy? |
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| 21:25.57 | unstable | How can I tell what is using a kernel module? so I can rmmod it? |
| 21:26.08 | zd32nv | is gift (gnutella network) pretty much effed? |
| 21:26.47 | jodd | unstable, is it possible? |
| 21:26.51 | Bushmills | unstable: you could rmmod all with reference count of 0. and rely on autoload to reload it when needed |
| 21:27.19 | jodd | yeah I guess you would have to watch what loads it |
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| 21:27.51 | Bushmills | why? if is used you don't rmmod it. |
| 21:28.16 | barana | hello, anyway to find out when i installed debian on my box ? |
| 21:28.31 | Bushmills | barana: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 21:29.20 | somedude | anyone know if there is a way to increase the volume with intel hda sound |
| 21:29.23 | somedude | it's very very low |
| 21:29.31 | Bushmills | provided log history goes back in time long enough |
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| 21:30.06 | barana | Bushmills: didn't work says 2007.. and the box is at least 5 years old |
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| 21:30.43 | Bushmills | are there more dpkg.log.*.gz? |
| 21:30.54 | barana | thre is somewhere a install log or something... someone pointed it out but can't remember |
| 21:30.57 | stew | Bushmills: dpkg.log didn't exist 5 years ago |
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| 21:31.27 | stew | barana: i don't believe there is an install log |
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| 21:31.54 | barana | stew: oh.. so there is no way to find out |
| 21:32.03 | Chrom_ | barana: I would check the dates in /boot |
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| 21:32.32 | stew | barana: no 100% reliable way |
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| 21:32.48 | Pinchiukas | ok I have these files: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/prep/cdrom/ can I boot my system with them somehow? write them to cd? |
| 21:33.27 | barana | stew: damn ..i have this box as a router since highschool.. was curios how old it really is :) |
| 21:34.08 | barana | Chrom_: no luck |
| 21:34.21 | Chrom_ | barana: why not? |
| 21:35.57 | Bushmills | barana: stat /lost+found maybe |
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| 21:36.03 | barana | Chrom_: again oldest kernel there is 2.6 in 2005 |
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| 21:36.20 | krassy | 10x |
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| 21:37.56 | trifler | I want a desktop on my laptop currently only cli. What do I need? Im confused about x.org x-server, session manager and window manager. All I want basicly is beeing able to have a terminal and a webrowser |
| 21:37.58 | jelly-home | barana: you can get an indication from dump2fs /dev/your-root-fs-dev | grep 'Filesystem created:' |
| 21:37.59 | barana | Bushmills: only gives a last modify time |
| 21:38.17 | jelly-home | barana: er. dumpe2fs -h ... |
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| 21:39.15 | barana | jelly-home: i get dumpe2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 21:39.36 | jelly-home | barana: you'll have to run dumpe2fs as root |
| 21:39.44 | stew | trifler: do you know which desktop environmen or window manager you want? like gnome/kde/xfce/something else? |
| 21:39.49 | barana | jelly-home as root i did |
| 21:40.06 | jelly-home | barana: you did what? |
| 21:40.26 | barana | jelly-home: i did run the command as root |
| 21:40.37 | trifler | stew: I know I dont want gnome or anything alike I have a thinkpad x60 and the windows-lookalikes with a systray stels to much of the view area imo. |
| 21:40.41 | jelly-home | barana: which command? :-) |
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| 21:40.56 | Chrom_ | bye guys, I'm off... zzz |
| 21:41.04 | abrotman | trifler: tried like icewm or fluxbox(and friends) ? |
| 21:41.08 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 21:41.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 21:41.11 | barana | jelly-home: dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda1 | grep 'Filesystem created:' |
| 21:41.58 | trifler | abrotman: I'm a clean slate all I've tried is gnome. I don't like it |
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| 21:42.16 | jelly-home | barana: oops, looks like only newish dumpe2fs show that line |
| 21:42.35 | abrotman | trifler: see the URL above .. it has tons of WMs to review |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | trifler: gnome/kde/xfce/fluxbox/openbox/blackbox/icewm are some of the more popular GUI ones .. there are also minimalist ones like ion and ratpoison |
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| 21:43.22 | abrotman | trifler: i heard tritium is good! |
| 21:43.25 | abrotman | winks at stew! |
| 21:43.43 | zd32nv | what's a good ncurse based memo system? |
| 21:43.51 | zd32nv | (note-taking) |
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| 21:44.25 | Bushmills | trifler: for just terminal and webbrowser, the smallerst is probably just right. lwm or aewm are pretty small. |
| 21:44.52 | barana | well guess im the only one that was ever curios on how old his box is :) |
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| 21:45.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: you're not a man until you've written your own edit^W wm! |
| 21:45.32 | Bushmills | barana: if its 5 years, that's not very old. |
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| 21:45.46 | jodd | twm rox |
| 21:45.54 | trifler | So all I need is x and one of those and the come without a "fancy" login screen. Because I kinda like the cli version from start and when i want to I start the desktop enviroment |
| 21:45.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: heh |
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| 21:46.04 | Pinchiukas | ok I have these files: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/prep/cdrom/ can I boot my system with them somehow? write them to cd? |
| 21:46.14 | amphi | trifler: I'm a startx-er |
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| 21:46.43 | Ariel_Calzada | hi, i have lenny and the iceweasel crash very often :-( any idea? |
| 21:46.57 | jodd | what version |
| 21:46.59 | Bushmills | trifler: sounds like a tiling wm would be right for you, those'd be wmii, awesome, ion and the like |
| 21:47.02 | barana | Bushmills: must be ~2001-2002 just a nice old box i setup as router, and now it still actualy work tho i didn't even login on it in the last year :) |
| 21:47.24 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd: ceweasel/2.0.0.14 (Debian-2.0.0.14-2) |
| 21:47.33 | Bushmills | barana: that's about the age of the machine i'm sitting behind now |
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| 21:47.51 | jodd | does flash crash it? |
| 21:48.02 | Bushmills | 8 years it has |
| 21:48.04 | jodd | It shouldn't crash any more often than for most people |
| 21:48.05 | jelly-home | barana: ls -lcd /? |
| 21:48.07 | trifler | Where does compiz fit into all this window mangers and Desktops stuff? |
| 21:48.18 | Bushmills | trifler: into screen candy |
| 21:48.20 | barana | Bushmills: well i guess u changed something at it in this years |
| 21:48.29 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd: maybe flash is the cause what to do? |
| 21:48.30 | Bushmills | barana: yes. |
| 21:48.49 | jodd | usually it is plugins |
| 21:48.52 | barana | Bushmills: i didn't... didn't even know hdd's can work 24/24 for years |
| 21:48.55 | Bushmills | barana: but it came as barebone so all the original parts are still in |
| 21:49.00 | jodd | I suggest you use a different browser |
| 21:49.17 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd: unfortunately it's the best ;-( |
| 21:49.22 | trifler | Bushmills: So it's like beryl? It's cool for 5 secs and then the wobly windows just annoy you? |
| 21:49.26 | jodd | firefox 3.0 is the best |
| 21:49.26 | Bushmills | barana: but all additions have upgraded since |
| 21:49.34 | jodd | 2.0 is incredibly slow |
| 21:49.45 | jodd | I suggest to try epiphany or konqueror also |
| 21:49.46 | Bushmills | trifler: it *is* beryl |
| 21:49.49 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd: ff 3 is more stable? |
| 21:50.09 | jodd | If it's a plugin causing the crash, then it would be the same |
| 21:50.15 | jodd | but overall it is more stable |
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| 21:50.28 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd: thnx |
| 21:50.34 | trifler | Bushmills: Ohh okey. |
| 21:50.46 | jodd | it is much faster though |
| 21:50.54 | jodd | I wish I could install ff3 on debian, but it is a total mes |
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| 21:51.07 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd_: what if the problem is the flash? |
| 21:51.35 | jodd | you can remove flash |
| 21:51.41 | jodd | but you should see which sites it crashes on |
| 21:51.51 | jodd | if it's always on youtube, then it's flash |
| 21:51.55 | Bushmills | there are a number of ff2 extensions which slow ff2 down a lot. tried to run with a new profile? |
| 21:51.56 | Ariel_Calzada | jodd: but i need flash because i'm web dev :-( |
| 21:51.57 | jodd | but if it's totally random, might be something else |
| 21:52.05 | jodd | ya :/ |
| 21:53.02 | trifler | Okey so I got like 10 wms to test. Wish me luck :) |
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| 21:53.15 | Bushmills | but in fact ff2 is in some points slower than epiphany or kazehakase |
| 21:53.51 | Bushmills | or galeon. seems that the DOM model or javascript or combination make it smaller than some other browsers. |
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| 21:57.39 | jelly-home | ... eh, a web developer will run ie6, ie7, ff2, ff3 and possibly others. |
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| 22:03.27 | flokuehn | how can i find out the version of an installed library or program? |
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| 22:03.53 | adama | http.us.debian.org not working as an apt source for me right now... |
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| 22:04.16 | fareih | hi |
| 22:04.24 | stew | flokuehn: "apt-cache policy pacakgename" would show you in the "Installed:" line |
| 22:04.26 | stew | adama: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 22:04.29 | dryrot | ff3 in ubuntu is awesome! |
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| 22:04.42 | stew | dryrot: wrong channel? |
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| 22:05.07 | flokuehn | stew: thank you. |
| 22:06.28 | streuner | !stew++ |
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| 22:10.05 | lxsameer | is it possible to install a linux system to a s60 phone? |
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| 22:10.38 | EaGleMan | Help! how to disconnect someone whois inside my server? |
| 22:10.47 | EaGleMan | Help! how to disconnect someone whois connected to my server? |
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| 22:10.57 | markybob | EaGleMan, ask one more time for good measure |
| 22:10.58 | nevyn | EaGleMan: slay |
| 22:11.06 | EaGleMan | ops sorry |
| 22:11.15 | EaGleMan | markybob its a matter of emergency! |
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| 22:11.32 | markybob | if it's an emergency, pull the fucking plug. |
| 22:11.41 | markybob | but like he said, slay will do it |
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| 22:12.17 | Bushmills | EaGleMan: depends on what you mean with "inside your server" |
| 22:12.52 | Bushmills | or "connected to" |
| 22:13.18 | Bushmills | like, what service does he use, to connect to your server? |
| 22:13.20 | EaGleMan | he is connected via ftp |
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| 22:13.44 | stew | EaGleMan: kill the ftpd process that he is connected to |
| 22:13.45 | Bushmills | as anonymous? or with his user account? |
| 22:13.52 | markybob | shut down your ftp service. /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop or proftpd stop or whatever you use |
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| 22:21.48 | zd32nv | what's a good ncurse based memo system? (for note-taking) |
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| 22:23.10 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: a text editor |
| 22:23.18 | tempb0y | anyone use debian on a dell poweredge 1950? |
| 22:23.24 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: that's generally the best; emacs or vim are both workable. |
| 22:23.30 | dondelelcaro | tempb0y: someone probably does |
| 22:24.13 | spreeuw | vim just a little bit more |
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| 22:24.32 | zd32nv | are there any scripts that enable organisation of memos? |
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| 22:28.00 | dondelelcaro | zd32nv: I personally just have them in a directory which I sync via subversion |
| 22:29.16 | Bushmills | zd32nv: you could think of a wiki style app, in conjunction with a console browser |
| 22:30.36 | zd32nv | i remember using tuomov's (of ion fame) riot a while ago, but i'd like something similar without the headaches of ghc and deps |
| 22:30.44 | zd32nv | dondelelcaro, Bushmills: thanks though |
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| 22:32.40 | dondelelcaro | yeah; I've looked at some of those; they all ended up being way too heavy-weight for what they did |
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| 22:38.08 | samantha-- | christ i wish my dsl line were faster. stuff is coming in so fast on my torrent seedbox i can't get it all down. =( |
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| 22:43.05 | zd32nv | yeah, i'm capped atm |
| 22:43.10 | zd32nv | so i can relate... |
| 22:43.42 | gbp | zd32nv: are you chatting to yourself? |
| 22:44.00 | zd32nv | gbp: what gave u that idea? |
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| 22:48.48 | octox2 | what is the best prog for sending large files to one peer with the possiblity for stopping and continuing ? |
| 22:48.58 | dondelelcaro | octox2: rsync |
| 22:49.39 | octox2 | coo, thannks |
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| 23:15.10 | Laser | can i compile a freebsd kernel from gnu/linux? |
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| 23:15.45 | charzero | I just installed etch from the netinst, and want to upgrade to lenny. I changed my sources.list, and did aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade, but it can't figure out a way to do it. Is there some trick? |
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| 23:16.00 | Supaplex | Laser: you have my permission. |
| 23:16.18 | Laser | Supaplex: cool, but can it be done? |
| 23:16.26 | Supaplex | I think so |
| 23:17.20 | tombs | charzero: did you change your sources.list the right way? |
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| 23:18.13 | toad_ | how do i lock an account so it can't be logged in to on console/ssh but will still work for e.g. imap services using pam? |
| 23:18.18 | charzero | tombs: I think so. It looks the same another system I have that has been testing for years. |
| 23:18.22 | Laser | thank you |
| 23:18.56 | tombs | charzero: strange |
| 23:18.57 | themill | charzero: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 23:26.33 | insta | hey guys, is there some reason the lenny 486 kernel only shows one processor on a two processor system? |
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| 23:26.43 | dondelelcaro | insta: because 486 are not smp. |
| 23:26.47 | dondelelcaro | insta: install a 686 kernel. |
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| 23:27.40 | dondelelcaro | (I lie slightly; there were some smp 486s, but I really hope no one is using them anymore) |
| 23:28.26 | insta | dondelelcaro: fair enough, thanks |
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| 23:29.12 | insta | and, is there a reason there isn't a 2.6.24-k7? or did the k7 branch get rolled into 686? |
| 23:29.43 | dondelelcaro | insta: k7 is distinct from 686; slightly different instruction set. |
| 23:30.01 | themill | !k7 dropped |
| 23:30.01 | dpkg | [k7 dropped] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
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| 23:30.34 | insta | themill: there we go :) |
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| 23:31.30 | insta | so does that mean i should use -amd64? that doesn't sound right |
| 23:31.43 | insta | i have athlon mp's, a socket A setup so definitely 32-bit processors |
| 23:31.55 | dondelelcaro | insta: use the -686 processor |
| 23:31.57 | themill | dondelelcaro: btw, thanks for posting the latex source etc for your poster. Useful to look at what others have done. |
| 23:31.59 | dondelelcaro | s/processor/kernel/ |
| 23:32.04 | dondelelcaro | themill: ah, no problem. |
| 23:32.20 | dondelelcaro | themill: I ripped mine off almost entirely from someone else |
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| 23:32.38 | themill | dondelelcaro: I noticed from the comments in the source :) |
| 23:34.28 | n3kl | I do not have a mod_auth_ldap in my apache installation and I do not see on in my repos. Is there somethign I am missing? |
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| 23:36.05 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: it's libapache2-mod-authz-ldap |
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| 23:36.38 | dondelelcaro | (and possibly libapache2-webauth, though I don't know much about either) |
| 23:36.59 | dcestari | hello all, I'm confused about go-oo and plain openoffice.org |
| 23:37.13 | dcestari | which of this two does debian provides |
| 23:37.15 | dcestari | ? |
| 23:37.51 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
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| 23:38.53 | ptlis | Are there any resources showing how various filesystems handle large numbers of files within a directory. |
| 23:39.09 | ptlis | Specifically i'm interested in the upper limit before you start getting a performance hit |
| 23:39.16 | ptlis | Or any hard limits |
| 23:39.22 | dondelelcaro | ptlis: most of them have options so you don't run into performance hits |
| 23:39.36 | dondelelcaro | ptlis: ext2 used to have problems, but dirindex solves most of them, as does ext3. |
| 23:39.59 | ptlis | So I could store say 100k files within a single directory without problems? |
| 23:40.03 | dondelelcaro | ptlis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems is probably the most useful comparison |
| 23:40.08 | dondelelcaro | ptlis: oh, that's no problem. |
| 23:40.44 | themill | ptlis: just don't run ls to often.... |
| 23:41.03 | ptlis | Indeed ;) |
| 23:41.37 | ptlis | I think i'll split them up into a heirarchy anyway, for just that reason. |
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| 23:46.40 | ptlis | Okay, next question is will I kill my server if I write a script to create 45000 directorys |
| 23:46.55 | dondelelcaro | ptlis: so long as they're not all in the same directory, no. |
| 23:46.57 | insta | ptlis, is there a better way to do what you're doing? |
| 23:46.59 | jstephenson | How can I alter my timezone? |
| 23:47.04 | dondelelcaro | !tzconfig |
| 23:47.05 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 23:47.05 | dcestari | anyone can tell me which does debian distributes? Go-Oo or OpenOffice.org from SUN? |
| 23:47.09 | dondelelcaro | jstephenson: see above |
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| 23:47.35 | ptlis | insta, what i'm doing is creating within the root directory 26 directorys (one for each letter of the alphabet) |
| 23:47.49 | themill | dcestari: the novell stuff is not included as far as I know. |
| 23:47.51 | ptlis | Then doing the same in each subdirectory so the whole heirarchy is 4 levels deep |
| 23:47.53 | dondelelcaro | dcestari: the openoffice.org one, AFAIK. |
| 23:48.00 | jstephenson | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 23:48.06 | insta | so, like: /u/s/e/r/username ? |
| 23:48.11 | ptlis | Exactly. |
| 23:48.21 | insta | is there any reason you can't lazy-create 'em? |
| 23:48.41 | dcestari | themill: dondelelcaro: do you know if there are any repos that mantain Go-Oo deb's? |
| 23:48.43 | dondelelcaro | ptlis: you should just mkdir -p /u/s/e/r/username |
| 23:48.51 | dondelelcaro | dcestari: no clue |
| 23:48.58 | ptlis | Not really, but if it's not going to explode i'd prefer to do it beforehand |
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| 23:49.25 | dondelelcaro | (libpam_userdir does this for you, iirc) |
| 23:49.41 | themill | dcestari: doubt it. what are you looking for specifically? |
| 23:50.02 | ptlis | Oh well, there's only one way to find out :) |
| 23:50.13 | dcestari | themill: I wan't to test drive Go-Oo it seams much more feature full than regular OO |
| 23:50.30 | themill | dcestari: such as... |
| 23:50.38 | insta | ptlis: it won't explode |
| 23:50.44 | insta | it'll probably take 3-4 seconds though |
| 23:50.49 | ptlis | That's fine |
| 23:50.58 | ptlis | Time isn't an issue |
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| 23:51.49 | dcestari | themill: improved emf support (embedded diagrams from visio) openxml support, better performance |
| 23:52.16 | dcestari | themill: I'm a linux guy in a windows world at my company, so I need better compatibility |
| 23:52.55 | dondelelcaro | huh; I would have thought those were being integrated upstream. |
| 23:53.01 | themill | dcestari: many of the things that the claim are only in go-oo are also in OOo; don't believe everything you read |
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| 23:53.22 | dcestari | themill: what about OOXML support? |
| 23:53.30 | themill | dondelelcaro: OOo is so bureaucratic that almost nothing gets incorporated.... :( |
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| 23:53.36 | themill | dcestari: quite good |
| 23:53.39 | dondelelcaro | themill: ah; could be |
| 23:53.54 | dondelelcaro | themill: I really don't track it's development; the only reason I use it is to interoperate with windows-weanies |
| 23:54.01 | dcestari | themill: on OO? |
| 23:54.04 | BubbaT | What do I put in sources.list to get backports? |
| 23:54.07 | themill | dcestari: yes |
| 23:54.10 | jberg | is there a way to see which packages i have installed? |
| 23:54.13 | dondelelcaro | !backports.org |
| 23:54.13 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 23:54.15 | dcestari | themill: I have lenny so I have OO 2.4, do I have OOXML support? |
| 23:54.17 | dondelelcaro | BubbaT: see above. |
| 23:54.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell jberg -about installed |
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| 23:54.31 | themill | dcestari: should do |
| 23:54.31 | jberg | thanks |
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| 23:55.47 | insta | hey neat, the SMP kernel sped up my fileserver (go figure) |
| 23:56.12 | insta | thanks :) |
| 23:56.58 | jberg | what is SMP? |
| 23:57.24 | insta | symmetric multiprocessor |
| 23:57.30 | jberg | i see |
| 23:57.32 | insta | my fileserver has two processors in it |
| 23:57.32 | trifler | multiprocessing |
| 23:57.46 | insta | but on the -486 kernel it was only able to use one of the two |
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| 23:57.55 | jberg | mine too. maybe i should use a SMP kernel too |
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| 23:58.58 | insta | do you have multiple cores? |
| 23:59.28 | insta | and, does anyone have guides for how to tune the options in /proc/sys/vm/ ? |
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| 23:59.49 | jberg | yep |
