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| 00:00.45 | stew | jberg: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 00:00.50 | themill | dondelelcaro: for particular amusement, take a read through http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4499 and how hard it was to get OOo devs to consider that what they were offering wasn't what people wanted and that some sort of improvement was required. It's now up to documentation, use cases, specifications.... |
| 00:00.59 | themill | dondelelcaro: (Also have a laugh at "discoleo" being a clueless schoolyard bully and claiming that there is no such things as a dpi value for a monitor....) |
| 00:01.09 | trifler | I just installed openbox and I'm having some problems the default items on the menu wont start or show |
| 00:01.12 | jberg | stew: 2.6.22-3-486 |
| 00:01.15 | stew | insta: run "grep -r 'sys/vm' Documentation" in the kernel source dir |
| 00:01.16 | trifler | Any ideas? |
| 00:01.19 | phr3ak | what is the difference between netinstall and businesscard ? |
| 00:01.28 | stew | jberg: 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686' to get a SMP enabled kernel |
| 00:01.33 | abrotman | bc needs net to finish |
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| 00:01.39 | liable | phr3ak: business card wont work without internet |
| 00:01.43 | jberg | stew: ah ok thanks. |
| 00:01.51 | stew | phr3ak: netinstall contains the base packages, businesscard fetches all the packages from the network |
| 00:01.53 | abrotman | trifler: not installed |
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| 00:02.13 | dcestari | anyone using symphony? |
| 00:02.22 | jberg | stew: do you know if kernel 2.6.22 has problems with the b43 module? i think 2.6.24 has, or atleast the kernel that comes with ubuntu. i get transfer errors and such |
| 00:02.28 | abrotman | dcestari: the OS? |
| 00:02.38 | stew | jberg: i don't know anything about it |
| 00:02.42 | jberg | ok |
| 00:02.52 | markybob | 2.6.22 doesnt even have it |
| 00:02.56 | markybob | it has b43legacy |
| 00:03.02 | trifler | abrotman: What word then? |
| 00:03.08 | abrotman | trifler: ? |
| 00:03.11 | markybob | aka bcm43xx |
| 00:03.18 | abrotman | markybob: both i thought |
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| 00:03.26 | jberg | markybob: ah ok |
| 00:03.32 | trifler | abrotman: I thought you mocked my choice of word. |
| 00:03.33 | markybob | abrotman, i think that one is too old. |
| 00:03.53 | phr3ak | thanks |
| 00:04.04 | dcestari | abrotman: is there an os named symphony?? I meant lotus symphony, IBM's version of OpenOffice over Eclipse |
| 00:04.18 | abrotman | dcestari: yes |
| 00:04.19 | jberg | my laptop needs b43, any suggestions as to what would be the best solution if 2.6.24 has problems with it? |
| 00:04.31 | markybob | jberg, install 2.6.25 |
| 00:04.37 | markybob | jberg, working fine here with 2.6.25.4 |
| 00:04.39 | dcestari | abrotman: any reviews or coments? |
| 00:04.47 | jberg | markybob: okay. so compile it myself you mean? |
| 00:04.57 | abrotman | dcestari: no .. "yes, there is a symphonyOS" :) |
| 00:05.07 | phr3ak | anyone could tell me why cannot disable initrd with noinitrd at commandline? |
| 00:05.14 | markybob | jberg, yes. sid has it, fyi |
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| 00:05.41 | jberg | markybob: hmm but can i download from sid if im using lenny? |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | dcestari: http://symphonyos.com/cms/ |
| 00:05.53 | abrotman | dcestari: and no .. i've not used the IBM sypmphony |
| 00:06.17 | abrotman | jberg: FWIW .. i got my b43 working with the kernel in lenny .. |
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| 00:06.20 | markybob | jberg, maybe :P you can try. otherwise you'll need to compile |
| 00:06.24 | dcestari | abrotman: never heard of this symphonyOS :O |
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| 00:06.46 | markybob | abrotman, me too, but i had a lot of packet loss on high transfer rates. you dont have that? |
| 00:06.50 | abrotman | dcestari: it's a loose debian derivative .. designed for simple users |
| 00:06.52 | jberg | markybob: okay, did you compile or use from sid? |
| 00:06.57 | markybob | jberg, i compiled |
| 00:06.57 | abrotman | markybob: hehe .. no .. i have that on my orinico though |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | markybob: i assume it's a wifi stack problem .. no idea |
| 00:07.36 | jberg | but if i want to compile, can i just use the config file that comes with the lenny distribution so i dont need to configure anything? |
| 00:07.49 | abrotman | markybob: well .. i also don't use the mini(the one iwth the b43) for much of anything |
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| 00:08.23 | markybob | jberg, you should be able to. copy it over from /boot into the linux source dir and `make oldconfig` |
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| 00:08.34 | jberg | markybob: ok cool |
| 00:08.36 | jberg | thanks |
| 00:08.44 | markybob | jberg, then `make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers --rootcmd fakeroot` |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | oh .. symphony changed to be based on ubuntu now instead of knoppix .. oh well |
| 00:09.00 | jberg | markybob: what does that do? |
| 00:09.09 | markybob | builds you deb packages of your kernel and header |
| 00:09.16 | markybob | so you can dpkg -i it |
| 00:10.11 | trifler | I got errors saying Failed to execute child process "x-terminal-emulator". According to aptitude x-terminal-emulator isn't one thing. So which of all the terms would I want? :S |
| 00:10.30 | jberg | hmm im not sure i understand.. i dont really understand the deal with kernel versions and module versions and package versions and stuff. do they all have to match or what? |
| 00:10.30 | trifler | available terminals* |
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| 00:10.54 | abrotman | trifler: aptitude install xterm ? |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | trifler: x-terminal-emulator is part of the 'alternatives' system |
| 00:11.21 | markybob | jberg, it just makes your custom compiled kernel managed by dpkg instead of just installed straight from source |
| 00:11.27 | markybob | jberg, it's the Debian Way |
| 00:12.01 | jberg | markybob: hmm.. so dpkg installs it correctly for me? |
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| 00:12.22 | markybob | jberg, yep |
| 00:12.25 | jberg | markybob: ah, so i make my kernel a debian package, then install it with dpkg? |
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| 00:12.30 | jberg | i think i understand |
| 00:12.33 | markybob | jberg, there you go :) |
| 00:12.37 | testos | how to force creation of folder with cp ? |
| 00:12.38 | jberg | thanks :) |
| 00:13.05 | SeveredC1oss | testos: AFAIK, you can't. |
| 00:13.25 | testos | SeveredC1oss: oki thank ;) |
| 00:13.42 | dondelelcaro | testos: $(mkdir -p $(dirname foodest)) && cp bar foodest; |
| 00:13.52 | dondelelcaro | well, ditching the first outer $() |
| 00:14.54 | testos | oki thank dondelelcaro :) |
| 00:16.27 | trifler | abrotman: Roger that. ty |
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| 00:19.22 | jberg | hmm, im trying to boot debian installer, right after it has loaded or uncompressed the kernel it says PCI: cannot allocate resource region 5 0000.00:12.0 or something |
| 00:19.32 | jberg | does anyone know what that means? |
| 00:19.42 | jberg | ubuntu installed fine |
| 00:19.52 | dondelelcaro | jberg: you can generally ignore that |
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| 00:20.14 | jberg | oh ok |
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| 00:26.53 | zd32nv | . |
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| 00:29.48 | ieatcereal | new to debian, everything is etch in sources.list, i want to run unstable, can i just add unstable repos side by side? |
| 00:29.53 | trifler | feh WARNING: name.jpg - No Imlib2 loader for that file format :S |
| 00:30.00 | ieatcereal | if not, how do i update my whole system for unstable? |
| 00:30.03 | trifler | Funny :( |
| 00:30.13 | dvs | ieatcereal: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
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| 00:30.34 | s0bi | ;-O |
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| 00:30.49 | ieatcereal | dvs, i want to learn if that is the case, if not here from a text document or book you recommend so you don't have to repeat what im sure you have said many times |
| 00:31.38 | dvs | ieatcereal: as long as you have another method to get online because unstable can break at anytime |
| 00:31.49 | zd32nv | how must pf rules be structured to allow samba traffic? |
| 00:31.59 | zd32nv | in particular, with samba broadcasts |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | ieatcereal: if you cannot figure out how to use unstable .. please do NOT attempt it |
| 00:32.15 | zd32nv | I've identified the tcp/udp ports required |
| 00:32.15 | ieatcereal | dvs, mainly some stuff like wine i found is only in unstable repos...running 64bit system btw |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | ieatcereal: do you know what the BTS is? |
| 00:32.43 | ieatcereal | abrotman, just trying to figure out how to get some more repos to work in etch really |
| 00:32.48 | ieatcereal | abrotman, no clue |
| 00:32.59 | dvs | ieatcereal: AND you want to mix repos?!? |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | ieatcereal: do not run unstable .. |
| 00:33.39 | ieatcereal | i dont want to mix anything...i just know wine is in unstable repo...so i assumed you could add that repo and get wine from it and delete it? i guess im wrong |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | wine is in etch also |
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| 00:33.58 | dvs | ieatcereal: yeah, you're wrong. You get all of unstable |
| 00:34.05 | ieatcereal | i am a freebsd user so package management is in linux is a little weird |
| 00:34.18 | ieatcereal | i like it though |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | apparently the idea of a stable system is also :) |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | !tell ieatcereal about bpo |
| 00:34.34 | ieatcereal | abrotman, when i search for it i dont see it |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | ieatcereal: it's there .. you're searching wrong |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | oh .. not amd64 .. grr |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | backports.org has one for amd64 |
| 00:35.09 | abrotman | as does lenny |
| 00:35.27 | ieatcereal | ok will add it and try...sorry to seem stupid, just ignorant to this new distro |
| 00:35.38 | abrotman | there isn't "add" |
| 00:35.49 | abrotman | well .. you can 'add' backports.org .. |
| 00:35.50 | dvs | new distro!?! It's new to you. ;-) |
| 00:35.59 | ieatcereal | correct :) |
| 00:36.00 | abrotman | kids these days .. jeez |
| 00:36.09 | dvs | back in my day... |
| 00:36.09 | ieatcereal | ahh |
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| 00:36.13 | KU0N | hell |
| 00:36.15 | KU0N | o* |
| 00:36.17 | ieatcereal | ask me any question about freebsd ;) |
| 00:36.20 | testos | it's possible to retrieve erase file with rm ??? |
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| 00:36.36 | abrotman | ieatcereal: is freebsd dying? :) |
| 00:36.45 | abrotman | !tell testos about undelete |
| 00:36.54 | KU0N | for some reason, each time I boot by linux, the current ethernet device is replaced. For example, if my ethernet card was eth8, after a rebot it's eth9... |
| 00:36.54 | dvs | Why is it called FreeBSD when you have to pay for it? ;-) |
| 00:37.05 | cloakable | testos: rm will remove, but to erase, try shred |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | !tell KU0N about z25 |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | cloakable: he wants to undelete |
| 00:37.17 | abrotman | i think |
| 00:37.21 | cloakable | ahh |
| 00:37.45 | testos | cloakable: yes i want to do the opposite (undelete .. :s) |
| 00:37.55 | KU0N | abrotman: z25? |
| 00:38.05 | abrotman | KU0N: see what dpkg (the bot) told you |
| 00:38.22 | ieatcereal | pay? |
| 00:38.30 | KU0N | abrotman: ho yea, didn't see it, thanks |
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| 00:38.41 | ieatcereal | you don't pay for freebsd |
| 00:38.59 | abrotman | ieatcereal: why did fbsd5 suck so bad? was matt dillon right? :) |
| 00:39.04 | dvs | hence the ;-) |
| 00:39.27 | abrotman | stops being a pain |
| 00:39.55 | ieatcereal | why does a past release matter when the new ones are good |
| 00:39.55 | ieatcereal | :) |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | things can go up and down .. |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:40.25 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:40.33 | abrotman | KU0N: all of that make sense ? |
| 00:41.21 | gbp | god, setting up eclipse is a nightmare |
| 00:41.21 | trifler | I'm not able to set a .jpg background image with feh, it complains over imlib2 for that format |
| 00:41.27 | trifler | what to do? |
| 00:41.51 | abrotman | qiv ? |
| 00:43.38 | trifler | abrotman: Was that to me? |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:44.37 | dondelelcaro | trifler: can feh display the .jpeg? |
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| 00:44.48 | dondelelcaro | has loads of feh background images |
| 00:45.53 | trifler | dondelelcaro: No |
| 00:45.59 | trifler | Neither can qiv |
| 00:46.00 | dondelelcaro | trifler: well, then odds are something is wrong with the jpeg |
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| 00:50.39 | daniel_John | software updates wants to install a new kernel image but i get the warning "ou are attempting to install a kernel version that is the same as the version you are currently running (version 2.6.18-6-686). " What should I do ? |
| 00:51.15 | dvs | daniel_John: install it then reboot |
| 00:51.29 | daniel_John | ok |
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| 00:52.54 | trifler | dondelelcaro: I guess you are correct. Wonder why wgeting images through putty woulden't work though :// |
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| 00:59.46 | ared | says good morning |
| 01:01.02 | dondelelcaro | trifler: it should, but without knowing the image it's hard to say |
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| 01:07.46 | pythonic | hi! can i run asp/vbscript on linux? |
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| 01:08.43 | abrotman | FSVO yes |
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| 01:13.21 | abrotman | wonders if any staff are about |
| 01:14.29 | asg | abrotman: that would be you |
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| 01:14.42 | abrotman | no .. fn staff |
| 01:14.55 | asg | abrotman: there's always dave2 |
| 01:15.00 | junix-other | has anyone ever setup chroot_ssh/sftp, i'm researching this and want to know how well it works |
| 01:15.01 | abrotman | if he's living |
| 01:15.12 | asg | abrotman: in the dark of night, goatse.cx duck appears! |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | asg: it was a deer! |
| 01:15.36 | asg | it was a duck |
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| 01:18.43 | Caelum | what would cause the dynamic linker to ignore my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and link to a library somewhere else? |
| 01:19.21 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: depends on the executable; not everything obeys it |
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| 01:20.15 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: I have the oracle XE deb installed, and it seems if I try to use the instantclient instead with DBD::Oracle it still links to the XE libclntsh.so |
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| 01:22.43 | jberg | damnit. apt fails to download files in the debian installation.. the dhcp configuration went fine, but when apt tries to configure it fails |
| 01:22.48 | jberg | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d531?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 i have this laptop |
| 01:23.14 | jberg | does anyone know if that ethernet card is supported? not the wireless |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | jberg: you can use lspci in the shell to see the device |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | jberg: you're using the etch installer? |
| 01:25.48 | jberg | abrotman: ok, a bunch of stuff pops up |
| 01:25.52 | jberg | abrotman: no lenny |
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| 01:26.24 | jberg | but its weird that dhcp configuration went fine and apt not, no? |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | you would need the PCIid from lspci -nn (the last double set of quads at the end of the line) |
| 01:26.43 | liable | if dhcp gave a lease, try another mirror |
| 01:26.52 | liable | did it get time from a time server ok? |
| 01:27.00 | liable | try and wget something. |
| 01:27.01 | jberg | liable: i gave it another mirror |
| 01:27.12 | jberg | abrotman: hmm ok |
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| 01:27.44 | jberg | hmm wget worked |
| 01:28.04 | jberg | i tried ftp.no.debian.no and ftp.sunet.se as mirrors |
| 01:29.10 | NiLoni | is there easy way to start reading file from end of file :/ |
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| 01:29.20 | indio | Hi. |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | NiLoni: tac |
| 01:30.04 | jberg | hm, so wget works, but apt doesnt. what could be the problem? |
| 01:30.10 | asg | NiLoni: tail |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | asg: and if you tac | tail ? |
| 01:30.53 | indio | I'd like to have a fortune cookie when I start xterm, which file is the correct one to put the call to fortune ? |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | erm .. -f |
| 01:31.36 | asg | abrotman: does 'tac | tail' involve a donkey? |
| 01:31.51 | dondelelcaro | indio: generally you shove it into your .bashrc |
| 01:31.53 | liable | jberg: does it just fail getting the release file? |
| 01:32.01 | liable | jberg: whats in vt4? |
| 01:32.05 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever shell you're using) |
| 01:32.28 | jberg | liable: says it cant download files from the mirror and asks me to retry, change mirror or ignore |
| 01:32.30 | NiLoni | asg: I want complete file :) |
| 01:32.32 | jberg | what is vt4? |
| 01:32.37 | jberg | terminal? |
| 01:32.47 | liable | jberg: alt+f4 |
| 01:33.00 | jberg | ahh |
| 01:33.03 | jberg | crc errors |
| 01:33.11 | jberg | thats weird |
| 01:33.19 | jberg | i got that when i installed ubuntu too |
| 01:33.20 | asg | NiLoni: then tac, as abrotman said |
| 01:33.22 | jberg | when i used apt-get |
| 01:33.30 | indio | dondelelcaro: I see. Thanks. |
| 01:33.39 | jberg | i figured it was the problem with b43 module and 2.6.24 kernel |
| 01:34.04 | NiLoni | asg: yeah, just answered you |
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| 01:34.31 | NiLoni | hmm one more thing, how to get lines without wrapping with tac file | less |
| 01:35.00 | jberg | so i get crc error when i use both ethernet cards, wireless and the other |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | you want them truncated ? |
| 01:35.19 | jberg | is the pc broken? |
| 01:36.27 | KU0N | abrotman: I was on the linux box. Yea, everything is ok now, thanks. |
| 01:36.38 | NiLoni | abrotman: um maybe, not sure what you mean but I wanna long lines to be only one line |
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| 01:39.13 | jberg | is there any place i can ask for help or send bug rapport or something with this crc-error problem? or is it likely its my laptop? |
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| 01:41.32 | Tramp | NiLoni: man less, search for --chop-long-lines |
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| 01:43.25 | liable | jberg: i have seen that myself lately. keep trying. |
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| 01:44.04 | jberg | liable: so its not my pc just apt? |
| 01:44.40 | jberg | it has windows too, havent got any problems with downloading files there |
| 01:44.42 | jberg | hmm |
| 01:44.45 | liable | jberg: i am not sure actually what causes it. i cant even remember what i was doing at the time, installing or just downloading |
| 01:44.45 | jberg | this is strange |
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| 01:47.07 | brady | anyone know of a terminal-based csv editor? |
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| 01:48.09 | Mosi_ | Anyone with Grub experience? |
| 01:48.25 | brady | Beautiful, emacs has a csv editor. |
| 01:49.30 | Mosi_ | I'm trying to dual-boot with win server 2k3, using NTLDR to boot to grub on a second drive, anyone ever done this? |
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| 01:51.04 | jberg | maybe i should try a debootstrap, do you think that will make a difference? |
| 01:51.16 | ninjaslim | i'm trying to mount my home directory on Debian desktop on my MacBook Pro through sshfs, i'm getting an input/output error on my Mac after mounting, does Debian restrict access in someway |
| 01:51.41 | charIie | Is there any way to resize a partition (making it larger) without losing data? |
| 01:52.04 | ninjaslim | chareIie: use parted or gparte |
| 01:52.08 | ninjaslim | *gparted |
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| 01:52.30 | charIie | ninjaslim, Will it cause me to lose the data? |
| 01:52.33 | Mosi_ | charlie, what fs? |
| 01:52.37 | ninjaslim | no it should not |
| 01:53.07 | charIie | Mosi_, extended 3 |
| 01:53.23 | charIie | ninjaslim, K thanks, I will try that |
| 01:54.26 | Mosi_ | charlie, ninjaslim's advice is good |
| 01:54.29 | erpo | charIie: There is always the chance of losing data when mucking around with a filesystem. Make backups! |
| 01:54.38 | Mosi_ | seconded |
| 01:54.42 | Mosi_ | always backup |
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| 01:55.07 | charIie | alright, thanks all ill try it out |
| 01:55.29 | Mosi_ | Is anyone here familiar with GRUB's install command? |
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| 01:55.59 | rahul | Mosi_: no |
| 01:56.01 | rahul | no one. |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | !ask |
| 01:56.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 01:57.00 | akio | so how safe is it to use backports? so far it seems like the less problematic way to do things rather than a full-upgrade |
| 01:57.17 | rahul | akio: safer than using unstable |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | backports.org ? |
| 01:57.24 | akio | brb |
| 01:57.26 | akio | yep |
| 01:57.32 | Optic | does anyone know of a daemon or other tool that will work really hard to keep a debian box connected to the internet? for example, if I plug the box from one network to another, it should get a new dhcp lease and reconfigure...? |
| 01:57.33 | Mosi_ | right right, ok. I need to boot Deb off a second hard drive, but i don't want to damage /dev/sda's NTLDR, so that I can remove the linux without damaging my windows install. I was hoping to use grub. Anyone have any solutions? |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | it won't dammage your windows install |
| 01:58.29 | rahul | grub is independent of linux |
| 01:58.46 | Mosi_ | i know it won't, but I don't want to have to reinstall NTLDR because i don't really know much about it |
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| 01:58.57 | abrotman | and you can easily use the windows fixmbr from the installCD to put the ntldr back |
| 01:58.59 | rahul | NTLDR is on /dev/sda1, or some such, not /dev/sda |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | or whatever it's called |
| 01:59.13 | rahul | !fixmbr |
| 01:59.14 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
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| 01:59.20 | Mosi_ | alright, but i still want to use NTLDR as my primary boot loader |
| 01:59.27 | rahul | (not quite what I was looking for...) |
| 01:59.39 | Mosi_ | if you put grub in your MBR and then remove your linux install, your grub stage 2 is gone and you fail to boot |
| 01:59.40 | rahul | Mosi_: there are howtos. it's annoying to do that. |
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| 02:00.15 | rahul | but it is possible. consult the howtos. |
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| 02:01.33 | Mosi_ | rahul: in the debian wiki? |
| 02:01.41 | rahul | Mosi_: no, the linux howtos |
| 02:01.43 | rahul | !ldp |
| 02:01.43 | dpkg | tldp is probably The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 02:01.50 | Mosi_ | thanks |
| 02:01.54 | erpo | Mosi_: Are you willing to give up 100MB of disk space to solve the problem? |
| 02:02.31 | Mosi_ | erpo: i don't have any free space on /dev/sda to make a /boot partition, and i don't want to buy partition magic. i don't know how to resize ntfs without it. |
| 02:03.01 | Mosi_ | funny how i get more help on grub here than in #grub :D |
| 02:03.16 | erpo | Mosi_: I think gparted can resize ntfs with ntfsutils installed. |
| 02:03.28 | Mosi_ | really? |
| 02:03.29 | Mosi_ | huh |
| 02:03.41 | erpo | Excuse me. ntfsprogs |
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| 02:04.01 | erpo | Mosi_: ntfsresize - Resize an NTFS partition without losing data. |
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| 02:04.16 | rahul | Mosi_: they're probably sick of dealing with questions that are answered in the linux howtos ;) |
| 02:04.32 | rahul | anywhoo. I'm outie. |
| 02:04.40 | erpo | Mosi_: Make sure that you take 100MB from the END of the ntfs partition rather than the beginning! |
| 02:04.43 | Mosi_ | rahul: yeah and they're all talking exclusively in /msg |
| 02:04.56 | rahul | oooo cybersex0rz |
| 02:04.59 | Bushmills | the example question in dpkg's ask factoid is not a question at all, but a statement :) |
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| 02:05.42 | sharp15 | how do i tell apt to "refresh" a package? i want to install a package over itself. |
| 02:05.50 | Mosi_ | erpo: doesn't /boot have to be in the first 8GB or so of the drive for NTLDR to find it? |
| 02:05.51 | Dewi | sharp15: do you mean upgrade? |
| 02:05.52 | Bushmills | no wonder people don't know how to ask with those directions/ |
| 02:06.02 | Dewi | sharp15: I guess you could uninstall and then reinstall if you really think it will help |
| 02:06.26 | erpo | Mosi_: I don't know. I was going to suggest you use GRUB and put it in /boot. That way you can delete your main Linux partition without causing all sorts of problems. |
| 02:06.28 | sharp15 | Dewi: that's what i want but apt is going to scream at me if i do that. |
| 02:06.36 | Mosi_ | or do i still have to make a fake MBR file and drop it in the frist partition's C:\ |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | sharp15: man apt-get or man aptitude .. pretty clear on a reinstall of a package |
| 02:06.51 | Dewi | sharp15: I don't think it would. As long as you don't purge it might even keep your config (backups required!) |
| 02:06.57 | Mosi_ | alright well i'll play around with it for a bit |
| 02:07.02 | Mosi_ | what's the util? ntfsresize? |
| 02:07.14 | sharp15 | abrotman: i was just in there. must've missed that. |
| 02:07.37 | Optic | is there a dhcp setup that's aware of the ethernet's link state? |
| 02:07.39 | erpo | Mosi_: The package is ntfsprogs, but you probably don't want to use the ntfsresize command directly. gparted will make sure that it's used correctly without destroying your filesystem. |
| 02:07.41 | Optic | kind of line windows? |
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| 02:07.48 | Optic | er, kind of like |
| 02:08.03 | erpo | Mosi_: Again. Take the 100MB from the end of the partition. |
| 02:08.59 | Mosi_ | erpo: do you know any handy recovery-type live CD images that have ntfsprogs and gparted included? i could hunt one down but if you know one... :P |
| 02:09.28 | sharp15 | abrotman: thank you. sorry about the dumb question. |
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| 02:09.30 | akio | where can i find a quick and dirty nfs guide? |
| 02:09.47 | wols | Mosi_: grml, knoppix |
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| 02:10.15 | erpo | Mosi_: I think the ubuntu live cd can do that. |
| 02:10.17 | akio | dpkg nfs |
| 02:10.18 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 02:10.22 | Mosi_ | wols: thanks |
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| 02:10.30 | Mosi_ | erpo: thanks for the help |
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| 02:10.40 | erpo | Mosi_: np. Good luck. |
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| 02:10.44 | abrotman | sharp15: fyi .. you can search the man pages with /<term> |
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| 02:14.40 | scatterp | i am trying to install yum and it says it needs celementree but i have it installed any advice ? i also have synaptic installed.. |
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| 02:15.26 | heatxsink | hello all, anyone in here ever use mod_headers in apache2? |
| 02:16.10 | Sling | heatxsink : just asking in #apache is enough :) |
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| 02:18.51 | fas3r | how to save on file user / group right on trees ? |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | scatterp: wrong chanel ? |
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| 02:23.20 | fas3r | nobody :s |
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| 02:27.53 | haxality | hello, I was wondering about the availability of some packages. |
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| 02:28.11 | haxality | I'm trying to install the nvidia driver on testing, and the packages don't seem to be in the repos |
| 02:28.23 | karsten | !tell haxality about nvidia |
| 02:28.45 | ninjaslim | i'm trying to mount the home user directory on my Debian box on my MacBoook through sshfs, after mounting i get an input/output error, does Debian block sshfs connections or could it be permissions |
| 02:28.48 | karsten | haxality: They likely aren't. Nvidia has a bunch of proprietary (eg: can't/won't be redistributed by Debian) stuff. |
| 02:28.54 | wols | haxality: you're right. you need to backport from sid |
| 02:28.57 | wols | !tell haxality about sid |
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| 02:29.03 | haxality | uh. |
| 02:29.10 | haxality | wols is correct |
| 02:29.13 | wols | karsten: in etch and sid they are in non-free but not for testing |
| 02:29.23 | wols | !tell haxality about ssb |
| 02:29.28 | karsten | ninjaslim: I'd look at daemon / client errors, bump up your debug output levels on both. |
| 02:29.31 | karsten | wols: Danke. |
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| 02:29.45 | wols | morning karsten |
| 02:29.53 | haxality | tyvm, wols. |
| 02:29.57 | superlinux | i am an arab and the keyboard mapping provided does not reflect the nearest match of it in english |
| 02:30.08 | karsten | wols: g'evening. |
| 02:30.15 | ninjaslim | karsten: how would i do that and surprising thing is that my Debian box can mount any dir from my Mac through sshfs and access it just fine |
| 02:30.23 | superlinux | so how can i remap the keyboard the way i like |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 02:30.31 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 02:31.04 | wols | ninjaslim: sshfs being a network file system of sorts it's not surprising |
| 02:31.08 | karsten | ninjaslim: Generally '-v' options (one or more) on the client side, and -d (debug) on the server side. |
| 02:31.28 | superlinux | what i meant is M is not Ù
but its Ø© |
| 02:31.49 | superlinux | i want it Ù
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| 02:31.51 | karsten | superlinux: xkeycaps. |
| 02:31.56 | superlinux | ok |
| 02:32.10 | karsten | superlinux: ... and/or xmodmap. There should be a keyboard that's pretty close to what you want, I'd start with that. |
| 02:32.30 | haxality | wols: I am slightly confused about what dpkg told me. should I follow the instructions in 'simple sid backport' to install the package? |
| 02:32.38 | superlinux | i found it on sf.net butr for windows |
| 02:32.39 | ninjaslim | wols: what do you mean..i though it'd behave the same if it's working one way |
| 02:33.18 | wols | haxality: yes |
| 02:33.22 | haxality | ok. |
| 02:33.49 | wols | haxality: SOURCE from sid, no binaries. source of the nvidia drivers, not just kernel source (or you will be missing the glx) |
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| 02:34.10 | wols | haxality: package is nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:34.19 | dav | what can i use for intrusion detection? |
| 02:34.26 | ninjaslim | karsten: this is what i'm getting mount_fusefs: failed to mount /Users/tux08902/Remote@/dev/fuse0: Socket is not connected |
| 02:34.28 | karsten | remembers what he likes so much about fink. |
| 02:34.29 | karsten | Not much. |
| 02:34.37 | ninjaslim | on my MBP |
| 02:35.05 | wols | !snort |
| 02:35.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, snort is a GPL-licensed open source network intrusion detection system. Snort is capable of performing real-time traffic analysis and packet logging on IP networks. It can perform protocol analysis, content searching/matching and can be used to detect a variety of attacks and probes, such as buffer overflows, stealth port scans, CGI attacks, SMB probes, OS fingerprinting attempts, and much more. http://snort.org |
| 02:35.06 | karsten | dav: What sort fo intursion detection? |
| 02:35.28 | haxality | wols: thanks. |
| 02:36.06 | dav | karsten: to see if anyone has broke in the box |
| 02:37.01 | karsten | dav: snort monitors ports. External portscan + traffic sniffing may detect odd/unexpected traffic. rkhunter, ckrootkit, tripwire, and AIDE can help you find evidence of rootkits or modified binaries. |
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| 02:37.12 | karsten | dav: Do you suspect this has happened, or are you just paranoid? |
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| 02:38.00 | karsten | also remembers what he likes about modern laptops with < 1GB RAM. |
| 02:38.10 | dav | tripwire seems difficult |
| 02:38.19 | dav | i know rkhunter and chkrootkit |
| 02:38.43 | karsten | dav: Tripwire + AIDE are what the Debian project uses since the ALioth breakins. |
| 02:38.50 | fas3r | how to save in file user/group right on trees ? ( like fileacl on windows ) |
| 02:38.57 | dav | alioth? |
| 02:39.02 | karsten | dav: ... and yes, they're not trivial. |
| 02:39.15 | karsten | dav: One of the core Debian development servers. |
| 02:39.17 | phogg | trivial security measures are usually trivial to break, too |
| 02:39.20 | karsten | fas3r: Sorry, what are you trying to do? |
| 02:39.20 | dav | karsten: it happened once and i don't want it to re-happen :) |
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| 02:39.42 | karsten | phogg: No. There are some trivial security measures which are very hard to break. |
| 02:39.53 | karsten | phogg: ... they're just not very practically useful ;-) |
| 02:40.35 | karsten | phogg: Encasing your system in several feet of lead or concrete, for example. |
| 02:40.35 | sharp15 | i installed the nvidia-glx-legacy driver on my lenny box using module-assistant. now it's refusing to rebuild correctly. it can't find the "nvidia-kernel-legacy-source" package. that packge doesn't exist but the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source package is installed. anyideas what the problem is? |
| 02:40.37 | phogg | karsten: semantics. I mean that if it's easy to set up it probably doesn't protect you much |
| 02:41.08 | karsten | phogg: We can spin this one quite a while. I think the answer is more nuanced than that. |
| 02:41.12 | phogg | karsten: that's not what I'd call trivial (-: |
| 02:41.48 | fas3r | karsten: i need to save user right on trees ( / for example) in file |
| 02:41.50 | karsten | phogg: The general strategy of minimizing exposure, done right, is relatively straightforward. |
| 02:41.53 | phogg | Obtaining a large container, or digging a hole in the ground, buying a few tons of cement, mixing... sounds involved |
| 02:42.07 | karsten | fas3r: You're trying to copy a filetree and preserve permissions? |
| 02:42.11 | phogg | karsten: agreed. |
| 02:42.22 | fas3r | karsten: yes |
| 02:42.27 | karsten | fas3r: "save user right on trees" doesn't mean anything to me, though I'm fond of willows.... |
| 02:42.44 | fas3r | karsten: sorry bad english .. :s |
| 02:42.46 | karsten | fas3r: tar or rsync with the appropriate archive properties set, as root. |
| 02:43.00 | phogg | karsten: will that include ACLs if present? |
| 02:43.20 | karsten | fas3r: You can't retain ownership unless you're running as root. You can preserve permissions. I'm not aware of anything that handles ACLs off the top of my head. |
| 02:43.30 | fas3r | karsten: i know it exist program like fileacl ( on windows ) on linux |
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| 02:43.53 | fas3r | but i don't remember name |
| 02:44.05 | phogg | fas3r: getfacl? |
| 02:44.29 | karsten | fas3r: 'cp -padR oldtree newtree' or 'rsync -avz oldtree newtree' or 'tar cvf - oldtree | ( cd newtree; tar xpf - )' |
| 02:44.51 | fas3r | phogg: ha it's possible |
| 02:44.53 | karsten | fas3r: ... is three methods that will work for ownership and perms, off the top of my head. Might want to verify the syntax. |
| 02:44.59 | phogg | fas3r: looks like it has a --recursive, too |
| 02:45.25 | fas3r | ok thank karsten |
| 02:45.36 | fas3r | and phogg :) |
| 02:45.37 | simonrvn | get and setfacl |
| 02:45.59 | fas3r | ha yes simonrvn it's this :) get and setfacl |
| 02:46.06 | karsten | fas3r: There's an 'acl' package which may have additional utilities you want (getfacl and setfacl per 'aptitude show acl). |
| 02:46.13 | simonrvn | phogg mentioned it first.. |
| 02:46.20 | karsten | fas3r: In general, ACLs aren't much used on Unix/Linux. |
| 02:46.38 | Nyle | mr raven |
| 02:46.41 | phogg | aren't likely to be used anyway |
| 02:46.43 | Nyle | *nod* |
| 02:46.52 | simonrvn | 99% of the time user/group stuff works as needed |
| 02:46.55 | simonrvn | hi |
| 02:47.06 | fas3r | karsten: yes i know it's just i have dev web site with different user right and i don't want list it manually .. |
| 02:47.28 | karsten | Right. |
| 02:47.34 | karsten | fas3r: I'd rsync it myself. |
| 02:49.12 | phogg | fas3r: if you don't know that ACLs are in use find / -printf '%m %p\n' would probably be sufficient |
| 02:50.08 | fas3r | phogg: yes thank too but i think it's more simple in texte because after it's easy to restore it |
| 02:50.27 | karsten | What's a good GUI remote desktop tool/protocol for interoperating with Mac OS X? |
| 02:50.28 | fas3r | in text file* |
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| 02:50.45 | wols | karsten: vnc? |
| 02:51.02 | wols | "good" is in the eye of the beholder there of course |
| 02:51.13 | karsten | wols: I was hoping you wouldn't say that. |
| 02:51.21 | karsten | thinks of NX.... |
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| 02:51.33 | wols | doubt there is a mac version |
| 02:51.37 | karsten | wols: Doesn't Mac support an RDP client/server? |
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| 02:52.16 | karsten | wols: http://www.nomachine.com/download-client-macosx.php (client0 |
| 02:52.49 | phogg | you'd need the server, surely. What is the Mac native remote display mechanism? |
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| 02:53.14 | karsten | wols: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nx/?branch_id=60873&release_id=276387 (maybe server) |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: MAKE IT END! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! |
| 02:53.49 | karsten | phogg: Yeah, I know. Looking for that. And I'm not sure. "Aqua" kinda sorta. I think it's evolved from Display Postscript (NeXT). |
| 02:54.22 | phogg | karsten: that's native display, not remote. I have a fuzzy memory of hearing they served via vnc by default.... |
| 02:54.28 | HockeyInJune | uh what? |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | HockeyInJune: the Hockey In June |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:55.06 | HockeyInJune | No! go penguins :D |
| 02:55.13 | HockeyInJune | MOAR HOCKEYINJUNE :D |
| 02:55.20 | mns | What is a good spell checker ? ispell ? aspell ? pspell ? mysepll ? hunspell ? |
| 02:55.30 | dav | what's an alternative to monit? |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | the one that spells it correctly eh ? :) |
| 02:55.35 | HockeyInJune | icantspell is good XD |
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| 02:56.04 | mns | abrotman, obviously :) |
| 02:56.20 | phogg | karsten: wikipedia suggests that Apple's ARD protocol was supplanted by VNC in 2004 |
| 02:56.20 | karsten | phogg: Remote Desktop == RDP plus some wrappers, which is what NX does plus VNC, with compression and tunneling built in, IIUC). |
| 02:57.03 | Nyle | rdp is better imo |
| 02:57.13 | phogg | Nyle: certainly not as heavy |
| 02:57.14 | wols | karsten: only place you get a server for NX is linux |
| 02:57.27 | Nyle | phogg, the way it works |
| 02:57.33 | karsten | wols: Also Solaris, FYI. |
| 02:57.37 | karsten | just checked. |
| 02:57.39 | Nyle | only those areas of the screen are updatd that need to be updated |
| 02:57.40 | Nyle | unlike vnc |
| 02:57.42 | wols | yes. but who cares about solaris |
| 02:57.56 | karsten | wols: Sun. |
| 02:57.59 | karsten | wols: ... now isn't that cute? |
| 02:58.00 | Nyle | I can watch fullscreen dvd over the network with rdp even play diablo 2 in a window ;) |
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| 02:58.12 | ghosTM55 | hi all , how to change the icon of kmenu(kicker)??? |
| 02:58.13 | karsten | Nyle: You're a fick suck. |
| 02:58.14 | wols | Nyle: all current vnc client and probably even the old ones do that |
| 02:58.23 | Nyle | nope |
| 02:58.26 | Nyle | vnc is horrible |
| 02:58.33 | DanDare | Nyle, why ? |
| 02:58.36 | karsten | ghosTM55: I'd aske #kde |
| 02:58.38 | phogg | Nyle: is there an rdp server that will serve X? |
| 02:58.41 | Nyle | I meant in this regard |
| 02:58.44 | wols | yes it is, but the selective updates it does still |
| 02:58.44 | Nyle | not in general |
| 02:58.45 | DanDare | i find vnc so great |
| 02:58.59 | ghosTM55 | karsten: no one answer me there |
| 02:59.02 | karsten | wols: rdp specifically supports a number of direct-render extensions, IIUC. |
| 02:59.05 | phogg | DanDare: vnc always seemed like a hack to me. |
| 02:59.16 | Nyle | vnc is great, but not for what I said |
| 02:59.19 | DanDare | phogg, hahaha so true |
| 02:59.23 | wols | karsten: not working very well :) |
| 02:59.36 | karsten | ghosTM55: IIRC there's a method, it's a bit obscure, I'd start Googling if I were you. Knoppix and some distros do it (eg: SuSE), so I know there's a way. |
| 02:59.36 | Nyle | karsten, I am a fick suck then eh? |
| 02:59.37 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:59.39 | wols | e.g. the ultravnc video driver: crap |
| 02:59.55 | karsten | Nyle: Yes, aou yre. |
| 03:00.08 | DanDare | dude, apt-get seemed like a hack when i first tried... after suffering a lot with the dependencies |
| 03:00.11 | phogg | installs xrdp |
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| 03:00.41 | Nyle | karsten, I run amarok on my debian laptop with no screen and busted audio port. I ssh -X amarok, and tunnel the audio through windows xp esd client |
| 03:00.47 | Nyle | karsten, ehehe ;) |
| 03:00.56 | Nyle | with Xming |
| 03:01.23 | phogg | Nyle: ugh. is esd really still the answer to network audio? |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | isn't there a win32 mpd client ? |
| 03:01.43 | Nyle | too lazy to use anything else yet, pulse works great but I havnet yet set it up |
| 03:02.19 | karsten | Nyle: nice. Amarok rocks, BTW, I just started using it a few weeks back. |
| 03:02.27 | Nyle | indeed it does |
| 03:02.43 | Nyle | I can't live without amarok and I'm currently gaming heavily and can't afford to reboot all the time |
| 03:02.53 | Nyle | dual booting is out of the question so I had to figure out some way |
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| 03:03.15 | erpo | Nyle: Depending on the amount of ram you have, you might consider virtualizing Linux w/Amarok. |
| 03:03.25 | Nyle | I don't virtualize, I colinux. |
| 03:03.27 | karsten | Nyle: Gaming in NT? |
| 03:03.35 | Nyle | xp, nt5 yes |
| 03:03.38 | karsten | Nyle: Sick, sick, sick. |
| 03:03.40 | Nyle | oblivion mostly |
| 03:03.47 | Nyle | karsten, you mean fick? |
| 03:03.48 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:03.57 | karsten | Nyle: That too. |
| 03:04.10 | phogg | I have a rule. If a game doesn't run in Linux then I don't need to play it (but wine is allowed). So far no complaints. |
| 03:04.13 | DanDare | i need some not yet found "hack" solution to put my wireless to work properly. Do you guys can suggest any very nice chipset so i can base my bought for the next wireless card/USB stick ? |
| 03:04.27 | karsten | Nyle: It works better though with pwapped sairs. |
| 03:04.33 | erpo | DanDare: Intel stuff works great. |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | DanDare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers |
| 03:04.47 | karsten | DanDare: Intel for compatibility, agreed. |
| 03:04.48 | phogg | DanDare: intel's 49xx stuff seems to work, provided your kernel is newish |
| 03:04.49 | liable | great is a bit of an exageration |
| 03:04.58 | DanDare | thanks for tips |
| 03:05.20 | erpo | #define great just_works |
| 03:05.30 | DanDare | smooth |
| 03:05.35 | meff | me too :[ |
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| 03:05.56 | sharp15 | no ideas. |
| 03:06.16 | liable | atheros chips are good. older ones supported by ath5k, newer not yet, but with madwifi support |
| 03:06.19 | junix-other | has anyone ever setup chroot_ssh/sftp, i'm researching this and want to know how well it works |
| 03:06.51 | DanDare | im running r73.ko for rt2571 but its very unstable, cant work for more than a couple of minutes |
| 03:07.05 | erpo | Or you can hold your nose and use ndiswrapper. |
| 03:07.17 | liable | DanDare: take a look at linuxwireless.org also |
| 03:07.18 | phogg | erpo: danger will robinson |
| 03:07.24 | DanDare | ok |
| 03:08.34 | wols | Nyle: any special settings for rdp so you can play D2? |
| 03:08.45 | wols | cause games never really update for me properly |
| 03:08.53 | Nyle | its barely playable |
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| 03:08.59 | erpo | wols: Games over rdp?! |
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| 03:09.29 | Nyle | I was like 12fps |
| 03:09.32 | DanDare | im getting it very weird I can put the USB stick to work but after some minutes it stops responding pings. I can bring up and down the interfaces with no deal but if i restart the system if works again... for more two minutes |
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| 03:10.11 | wols | that would be OK if it were smooth unlike vnc |
| 03:10.15 | wols | I only want to mule and such |
| 03:10.16 | DanDare | so it dont makes sense to me... more like electrical part of the device being crap or own USB functionality being unstable |
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| 03:11.34 | DanDare | i tried |
| 03:11.44 | mns | Does anyone know of a decent free DNS hosting service ? |
| 03:11.48 | pflanze | Hello. Is there an easy/automatic way to install the packages with debugging symbols for a given list of binary packages? |
| 03:12.24 | DanDare | *i even tried cooling the chipset and lost 2 very damn nights with this thing >:| |
| 03:12.52 | DanDare | mns, i use zoneedit it works great for me |
| 03:12.57 | mimcpher | pflanze, some packages have a -dbg package |
| 03:13.15 | pflanze | mimcpher: yes but how do I find the right one for a binary package, automatically? |
| 03:13.15 | mimcpher | mns, I've used afraid.org with no difficulties. |
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| 03:14.47 | pflanze | I suppose it would go about like this: get the "Source:" field of the respective binary package, then somehow find all(?) -dbg packages which have been built out of that source package. |
| 03:14.51 | mns | mimcpher, DanDare, thanks for pointers |
| 03:15.51 | pflanze | I also suppose I'm not the only one who wants that; considering that some programs have like 25 dependencies and finding the dbg package for every one of those is just too much work. |
| 03:16.15 | pflanze | Also, if some of those 25 have further dependencies down the tree... |
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| 03:17.42 | DanDare | what "Integration in mainline" means regarding functionality of wireless chipsets on linux ? |
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| 03:20.36 | erpo | DanDare: That means a patch that added support for a wireless chipset made it into the main kernel. That's a good thing. |
| 03:20.56 | DanDare | thank you |
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| 03:21.05 | erpo | np |
| 03:21.32 | DanDare | it says my chipset is full suported and have even support from manufacturer.... i dunno what im getting on this |
| 03:22.28 | erpo | Maybe bad hardware? |
| 03:22.33 | DanDare | i suspect is an USB being unstable problem since USB in here is not 2.0 or 2.1 |
| 03:22.34 | erpo | How does windows fare on the same computer? |
| 03:22.43 | DanDare | erpo, it works just so fine in windows |
| 03:23.13 | erpo | DanDare: USB ports and devices are supposed to be backwards-compatible. |
| 03:23.15 | DanDare | on the same computer i dunno, dont tested But i think its a way to go. Installing windows to test it |
| 03:23.39 | DanDare | erpo, ok |
| 03:24.21 | sharp15 | ok. any ideas how i remove this and move back to the nv driver? |
| 03:24.27 | DanDare | what drives me crazy is that it works, but stop pinging after a while |
| 03:24.53 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:24.53 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:25.29 | DanDare | unistalled iptables to just have a sure but nothing |
| 03:26.13 | sharp15 | abrotman: i've already done that. didn't help. |
| 03:26.20 | abrotman | help what? |
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| 03:26.26 | Surfer32 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
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| 03:27.03 | sharp15 | abrotman: everytime i log into gdm the system tries to load the xserver then crashes back to gdm. |
| 03:27.24 | abrotman | and the actual error ? |
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| 03:28.54 | abrotman | waits a bit longer |
| 03:29.05 | sharp15 | abrotman: none appears to be given. there's nothing in Xorg.0.log that would cause a crash. |
| 03:29.16 | sharp15 | sorry about the wait |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | sharp15: try vesa |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:29.24 | sharp15 | nothing in dmesg either. |
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| 03:30.50 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 03:30.53 | lkthomas | out of topic question |
| 03:31.04 | lkthomas | what is "et tai" means in french ? |
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| 03:31.25 | dryrot | i just realize the info snmpd is reporting to cacti has absolutely no basis in reality |
| 03:31.54 | CaT[t3] | you don't want reality. reality is nasty with big, sharp, pointy teaath and a lust for souls. |
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| 03:32.58 | dozo | my harddisk stopped working when changing from Linux 2.6.24 to 2.6.25; it simply isn't recognized by the system anymore. what to do? |
| 03:33.35 | CaT[t3] | find a nice island in the pacific with enough elevation to withstand climate change and retire. |
| 03:34.03 | crazyfrog | i have downloaded a kernel tarball in my /usr/src directory ,and have installed it.now because it takes so much space,i want remove it.the questions is it should affected the installed binary kernel object or not? |
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| 03:34.29 | dozo | crazyfrog: no, it should not |
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| 03:35.41 | crazyfrog | dozo:do you mean if i have removed it ,the new installed kernel and modules should also work properly? |
| 03:36.01 | dozo | crazyfrog: yes |
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| 03:41.54 | dozo | hm, the offending device: 03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller (rev b1) |
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| 03:43.40 | wols | dozo: jmicron shit IDE |
| 03:43.47 | wols | dozo: what kernel. uname -a |
| 03:44.24 | dozo | wols: the one that I'm using right now and that works is: Linux debian 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 00:37:55 UTC 2008 i686 GNU |
| 03:44.40 | wols | and the new one is also a debian kernel? |
| 03:44.42 | dozo | with Debian instable's recent 2.6.25, it doesn't work |
| 03:44.52 | wols | file a bug |
| 03:44.57 | dozo | 2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 03:48.02 | Amy_ | Is there a way to look up which package installed a given file/dir? |
| 03:48.38 | dozo | dpkg -S file |
| 03:48.38 | dpkg | You Fool! file is installed! |
| 03:48.47 | dozo | hm |
| 03:49.35 | amphi | heh |
| 03:50.02 | Amy_ | hmm... I think I want the reverse |
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| 03:50.15 | dozo | dpkg -L package |
| 03:50.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
| 03:50.27 | Amy_ | I want to ask which package installed a given file, not which files a given package installed |
| 03:50.38 | dozo | man dpkg |
| 03:50.39 | wols | Amy_: he just told you! |
| 03:50.45 | Amy_ | k |
| 03:50.52 | wols | the -S one btw |
| 03:50.53 | amphi | Amy_: apt-file search file or dpkg -S file |
| 03:51.12 | Amy_ | got it... I guess I'm misusing it at the moment |
| 03:51.12 | Amy_ | thanks |
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| 03:51.55 | wols | Amy_: dpkg -S /full/path/to/file |
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| 03:52.40 | Amy_ | got it |
| 03:52.44 | Amy_ | tnx |
| 03:53.41 | sharp15 | any other ideas? i can't X-forward windows via ssh either. |
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| 03:56.28 | sharp15 | nevermind. i'll just wipe the box and reinstall. |
| 03:56.50 | wols | sharp15: uninstall all nvidia driver packages |
| 03:56.56 | wols | anything with "nvidia" in it. use dpkg |
| 03:57.18 | wols | !sshx |
| 03:57.18 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 03:57.27 | sharp15 | wols: not sure how. half of them were installed using module-assistant. |
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| 03:57.38 | wols | sharp15: with dpkg -r as I told you |
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| 04:07.25 | sharp15 | never mind i think i know the problem |
| 04:07.58 | Cromag | if i want a fast wm, would i choose blackbox or openbox or such ? any thoughts / experiences ? |
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| 04:08.41 | nab | Does anyone know why APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=true does not seem to have any effect for unauthenitcated repos on Etch..? |
| 04:08.54 | nab | I really don't want to have to download the debs I need by hand.. |
| 04:08.55 | nab | Grrrr. |
| 04:08.59 | nab | Anyone have any ideas..? |
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| 04:09.47 | nab | (This is not my own repo btw, but a private one I need to pull from for my OSS project) |
| 04:09.54 | nab | Which is Linux-iSCSI.org btw (small plug :-) |
| 04:10.42 | nab | I am installing and configuring debian-keyring in the hope that once its set apt will take into account APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=true |
| 04:10.53 | nab | But I honestly don't think it will make a difference. |
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| 04:12.21 | ooev | Hi guys. My tty1-6 was fine until I started x. Ctrl+alt+F1-6 console display is totally gone. Seems like an video out-of-sync for me because my lcd's LED is blinking. Any idea? |
| 04:13.37 | hoxu | ooev, unhappy video driver |
| 04:14.07 | hoxu | ooev, what card do you have? |
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| 04:14.28 | ooev | hoxu: it's a HSI X1550. ATI chip. |
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| 04:16.17 | hoxu | ooev, no clue really, but do you use a driver in debian or from elsewhere? |
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| 04:17.01 | ooev | hoxu: fresh install from 5/27 weekly built testing image. only deb repo is used. |
| 04:17.24 | fas3r | it's possible to see line number on vim ? |
| 04:17.53 | hoxu | fas3r, #vim |
| 04:17.58 | sharp15 | wtf? how much of /var/cache/apt/archives can i delete? |
| 04:18.19 | hoxu | sharp15, apt-get autoclean or clean |
| 04:18.49 | sharp15 | hoxu: how often am i supposed to run that? |
| 04:19.01 | hoxu | sharp15, whenever you feel like it |
| 04:19.59 | hoxu | ooev, I suggest you try your luck again later when people wake up, I haven't a clue about that card :p |
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| 04:20.30 | ooev | hoxu: sure. btw, any replacement for ntpdate? |
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| 04:25.28 | BubbaT | Wow. I am doing an apt-get kde and it's going to use 1 G, |
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| 04:28.26 | sharp15 | i'm in awe now. is there a reason gdm and X wont tell you that they failed to log you in because the drive is full and the login files couldn't be created? |
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| 04:31.17 | LtL | fas3r: type :set number [in vi or vim] :set nonumber to turn it off. |
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| 04:31.46 | eddie_ | hello all... |
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| 04:31.57 | sharp15 | sorry about being an ass this evening. thanks for the help from those who did (and those who didn't kick me from the channel.) |
| 04:32.02 | eddie_ | can anyone help or point into the right direction of setting up an open relay? |
| 04:32.10 | eddie_ | with qmail please. |
| 04:32.23 | wols | no one will help you do that intentionally |
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| 04:33.02 | eddie_ | well... i need to setup a relay doesnt need to be a open relay. |
| 04:33.07 | eddie_ | but for internal server. |
| 04:33.13 | eddie_ | servers* |
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| 04:38.45 | sgraham | sup my ninjas? |
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| 04:45.50 | pipeline | you mean set up a smarthost |
| 04:45.53 | pipeline | also, is qmail even supported nanymore? |
| 04:46.22 | Supaplex | !qmail |
| 04:46.22 | dpkg | i guess qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 04:46.42 | Supaplex | guess not. |
| 04:47.12 | markybob | postfix kick's the llama's ass |
| 04:47.20 | markybob | oh, wait, that's winamp :P |
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| 04:48.04 | Supaplex | any other MTA is just a wannabe postfix. |
| 04:48.14 | markybob | indeed |
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| 04:48.45 | pipeline | I'm sure there are other MTAs |
| 04:49.00 | pipeline | I just don't need to know about them, because I have postfix. |
| 04:49.10 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 04:49.10 | dpkg | sendmail owns |
| 04:49.20 | markybob | you're smart. dont waste brain cells on useless info :P |
| 04:49.21 | Supaplex | more like get's pwned. HAH. |
| 04:49.28 | pipeline | MMDF owns. |
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| 04:52.02 | Guerin | Moderate Medium Density Fibreboard? |
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| 04:52.45 | pipeline | no, an old piece of shit MTA |
| 04:52.48 | Supaplex | massive multiplayer death fart? |
| 04:52.59 | pipeline | it was probably the earliest sensible alternative to sendmail |
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| 04:53.07 | pipeline | for some value of "sensible" meaning "the default on SCO UNIX" |
| 04:53.35 | Supaplex | but SCO is something else |
| 04:53.38 | Supaplex | HAH jk. |
| 04:53.50 | Supaplex | dpkg: sco is dumb :) |
| 04:53.50 | dpkg | ...but sco is already something else... |
| 04:56.37 | ooev | so dpkg is not a robot? |
| 04:56.59 | markybob | it is not a robot. it's a bot |
| 04:57.13 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 04:58.20 | Supaplex | dpkg: bot |
| 04:58.20 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 04:58.22 | Nyle | what is a bot? |
| 04:58.27 | Nyle | short for robot |
| 04:58.54 | Nyle | what is a robot, a device that peforms repetitive tasks |
| 04:59.03 | Nyle | in a nutshell |
| 04:59.14 | extor | Someone just managed to change the default email address of my ebay account, I changed it back and changed the main ebay login password but what bugs me is I have no phishing emails in my inbox! How did this happen? |
| 04:59.20 | markybob | no. robot connotates mechanical, while a bot is pure programming |
| 04:59.20 | Supaplex | but dpkg runs in perl, not a nutshell |
| 04:59.31 | Lagbolt | um according to wikipedia it is both |
| 04:59.41 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 04:59.47 | Nyle | originally yes |
| 04:59.48 | Lagbolt | and wikipedia is always right lol |
| 04:59.52 | Nyle | but where did 'bot' come from |
| 04:59.59 | Nyle | markybob, you think 'bot' just sprang out of no where? |
| 05:00.11 | Nyle | bottu, robot, whatever |
| 05:00.16 | Nyle | bot* |
| 05:00.22 | Nyle | quit spliggin' cunt hair |
| 05:00.24 | markybob | it's a derivative of, yes |
| 05:00.25 | Supaplex | watches as Nyle gets all serious |
| 05:00.29 | Nyle | you win. |
| 05:00.39 | Supaplex | !win you |
| 05:00.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, you! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:00.40 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 05:15.36 | JyZyXEL | how do you delete a route? |
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| 05:15.54 | lvlefisto | i downloaded DVD media for installing Debian-testing-i386. Everything installed well. The thing is i have a wide-screen and it only let me use 1280x1024 screen resolution. |
| 05:16.57 | lvlefisto | is there an update of X to let me use a better screen resolution? |
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| 05:20.39 | Guerin | lvlefisto: what driver are you using? What video card? |
| 05:20.52 | Guerin | it's likely nothing much to do with x |
| 05:21.35 | lvlefisto | i really don't know. It is a Dell Inspiron 531 S computer |
| 05:22.02 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: route del <...> |
| 05:22.09 | JyZyXEL | route del what? |
| 05:22.13 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: or, you could use the `ip` command, which is self-documenting |
| 05:22.18 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: what route do you want to delete? |
| 05:22.26 | JyZyXEL | how do i tell what i wanna delete? |
| 05:22.30 | JyZyXEL | whats it based on? |
| 05:22.47 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: look at `route -n` to see what (ipv4) routes you've got in the routing table |
| 05:22.59 | JyZyXEL | i get multiple things |
| 05:23.14 | JyZyXEL | Destination, Gateway, Genmask, Flags, Metric, Ref, Use, Iface |
| 05:23.24 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:23.36 | JyZyXEL | delete a route |
| 05:23.36 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: all I saw was you asking how to delete a route |
| 05:23.49 | JyZyXEL | i can see the route i wanna delete |
| 05:23.50 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: why? are you trying to fix something? |
| 05:24.01 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 05:25.20 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: well, with route, you just specify the route uniquely and it should take care of it |
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| 05:25.40 | xsdg | so, frex, `route del net 1.2.3/24 dev eth0` |
| 05:26.20 | JyZyXEL | its gonna be impossible cause the Gateway column is too short |
| 05:26.29 | JyZyXEL | thats the only unique thing |
| 05:26.39 | JyZyXEL | and i cannot see it cause its so long |
| 05:27.34 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: one sec |
| 05:27.58 | Sazpaimon_ | strange |
| 05:28.09 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: ok, install the "iproute" package |
| 05:28.10 | Sazpaimon_ | i installed ffmpeg via apt from debian-multimedia.org |
| 05:28.25 | Sazpaimon_ | when I try to convert a video to x264 I get "Unknown codec 'libx264' |
| 05:28.25 | Sazpaimon_ | " |
| 05:28.36 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: this should give you the `ip` command which, as I said, is self-documenting (`ip help`, `ip help route`, etc) |
| 05:28.39 | Sazpaimon_ | however --enable-x264 is indeed in the compile flags |
| 05:28.54 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: `ip route show` (or just `ip route`) to see the routing table |
| 05:29.02 | Sazpaimon_ | is it not libx264 in this apt version of ffmpeg? |
| 05:29.58 | xsdg | JyZyXEL: `ip route help` will tell you how to delete routes using it (I don't know offhand). If anything, though, it should show you addresses without truncating |
| 05:30.10 | Guerin | Sazpaimon_: apparently not |
| 05:30.27 | Sazpaimon_ | dangit |
| 05:30.35 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: `ffmpeg -formats | $PAGER` |
| 05:31.36 | Sazpaimon_ | xsdg, that returns the same output as ffmpeg -versio |
| 05:31.37 | Sazpaimon_ | n |
| 05:32.11 | Sazpaimon_ | if i do ffmpeg -formats | grep 264 I get " DE h264 raw H264 video format" |
| 05:32.14 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: err... are you doing a single "-" before "formats"? |
| 05:32.19 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: aah, ::nod:: |
| 05:32.19 | Sazpaimon_ | yes |
| 05:32.28 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: weird, mine doesn't show the formats with -version |
| 05:32.29 | xsdg | anyway |
| 05:32.39 | Sazpaimon_ | alright so how does h265 differ from libx264 |
| 05:32.43 | Sazpaimon_ | *h264 |
| 05:33.22 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: I've never head of x264 |
| 05:33.29 | Trewas | Sazpaimon_: x264 is an encoder which encodes h264 video |
| 05:33.30 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: whereas H.264 is really common |
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| 05:34.21 | Surfer40 | Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) |
| 05:34.36 | Sazpaimon_ | x264 is already the newest version |
| 05:34.43 | Sazpaimon_ | x264 is indeed installed |
| 05:35.12 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: what happens if you just try h264? |
| 05:35.18 | jngu1 | Is there anyway to reclaim the sound device from firefox? |
| 05:35.18 | Trewas | Sazpaimon_: so you can use any h264 decoder to watch videos encoded with x264, or use some other encoders to make h264, x264 just happens to be the best encoder |
| 05:35.23 | Sazpaimon_ | Segmentation fault |
| 05:35.51 | xsdg | Sazpaimon_: dunno, then |
| 05:35.55 | Sazpaimon_ | if i try the x264 as a codec I get "Unknown codec 'x264'" |
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| 05:35.59 | Sazpaimon_ | so something is up |
| 05:36.35 | geekunit | Say I've got a blank NTFS partition. Is there anyway to mount it as my HOME dir every time I boot (ntfs-3g)> |
| 05:37.54 | jngu1 | it should automatically mount if you added to fstab |
| 05:38.15 | nevyn | geekunit: yes. |
| 05:38.16 | Supaplex | why mount an inferior filesystem on $HOME? |
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| 05:38.32 | geekunit | Supaplex: Lazy dual-booting |
| 05:38.38 | jngu1 | Supaplex: Windows compatibility I'm guessing |
| 05:38.40 | Sazpaimon_ | alright so it looks like the vcoded h.264 uses x264 as the encoder |
| 05:38.44 | Sazpaimon_ | its just named weird |
| 05:38.54 | nevyn | geekunit: however it's probably a bad idea |
| 05:38.57 | Supaplex | isn't there going to be some big caveats to that? |
| 05:38.59 | Sazpaimon_ | so now I have a segfaulting ffmpeg |
| 05:39.06 | Sazpaimon_ | what do I do now? |
| 05:39.08 | jngu1 | Anyone have any ideas on the sound |
| 05:39.21 | nevyn | the locking semantics of ntfs may not be suitable for storing your .files |
| 05:39.52 | nevyn | geekunit: if you really want this then mount it below $home as Desktop or Documents or something |
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| 05:40.09 | geekunit | nevyn: ahh, good idea. |
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| 05:44.31 | jngu1 | Does anyone know how to release a sound device from a process manually? |
| 05:44.55 | stew | jngu1: which process? |
| 05:45.18 | nevyn | jngu1: kill the process? |
| 05:45.19 | jngu1 | firefox |
| 05:45.24 | jngu1 | without killing the process :D |
| 05:45.27 | nevyn | it won't be firefox |
| 05:45.34 | jngu1 | huh? |
| 05:45.39 | nevyn | it'll be the flash plugin. |
| 05:46.05 | jngu1 | fuser /dev/snd/* |
| 05:46.05 | jngu1 | /dev/snd/controlC0: 22004 |
| 05:46.05 | jngu1 | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: 4385 4385m |
| 05:46.05 | jngu1 | [root@mrjack bin]# ps aux | grep 4385 |
| 05:46.05 | jngu1 | jnguy 4385 8.8 16.6 396620 215852 ? Sl Jun01 149:52 /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin |
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| 05:46.13 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, now im trying to backport the lenny build of ffmpeg |
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| 05:46.19 | Sazpaimon_ | " Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>> 6)" |
| 05:46.23 | jngu1 | Whoops. |
| 05:46.24 | Sazpaimon_ | what do I do with this |
| 05:46.37 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont think backporting the sid debhelper is a good idea |
| 05:46.48 | jngu1 | when I fuser, the pid points to firefox |
| 05:47.00 | jngu1 | does the flash plugin have a different process? |
| 05:47.55 | stew | jngu1: which flash plugin are you using? |
| 05:48.17 | jngu1 | 9.0r124 |
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| 05:48.30 | Sazpaimon_ | can I just use -d to ovverride the debhelper dependency? |
| 05:48.52 | Sazpaimon_ | or do i NEED debhelper >> 6 |
| 05:49.20 | stew | Sazpaimon_: you need debhelper >= 6 or you have to edit debian/rules to work with debhelper 5 |
| 05:49.36 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, then just run debuild? |
| 05:49.47 | stew | sure |
| 05:50.02 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, first i should satisfy the other dependencies |
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| 05:58.54 | Sazpaimon_ | you know, i might be better off just using checkinstall |
| 05:59.02 | Sazpaimon_ | im getting dependency hell here |
| 05:59.24 | Sazpaimon_ | well, let me see if I can meet all the dependencies first |
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| 06:10.39 | matadon | I've got sources for multiple Debian versions listed in my sources.list; how can I specify with 'apt-get source' which version I want to use? Something like 'apt-get source etch/foobar'? |
| 06:11.07 | stew | matadon: apt-get source packagename=version |
| 06:11.10 | Guerin | matadon: man apt-get, look for -t |
| 06:11.18 | Guerin | or that |
| 06:11.22 | Sazpaimon_ | ugh, this is starting to become a pain |
| 06:11.27 | Sazpaimon_ | im getting circular dependencies |
| 06:11.37 | Sazpaimon_ | is it safe to backport debhelper 6? |
| 06:11.55 | stew | Sazpaimon_: it would probably require you backporting quite a large number of packages |
| 06:12.05 | matadon | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 06:12.25 | Sazpaimon_ | would I be better off just compiling ffmpeg from the svn and using checkinstall |
| 06:12.47 | stew | Sazpaimon_: why do you need a new version of ffmpeg? |
| 06:12.59 | vlt | Hello. What additional option do I need for `aptitude reinstall <pkg>` to use the new conf files that come with th pkg? |
| 06:13.00 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, the stable version is segfaulting |
| 06:13.20 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, im trying to convert video to h.264 for streaming |
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| 06:13.44 | stew | Sazpaimon_: can you use ffmpeg from debian-multimedia instead? |
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| 06:13.54 | Guerin | he is\ |
| 06:13.55 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, thats where I'm getting it from |
| 06:14.01 | Guerin | do you need to use ffmepg? |
| 06:14.09 | Guerin | can't you stream with vlc? |
| 06:14.18 | Sazpaimon_ | Guerin, streaming over flash video |
| 06:14.29 | Guerin | bah, stupid flash video |
| 06:14.48 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm trying to convert my videos to h.264 and aac+ |
| 06:14.48 | Sazpaimon_ | here's the full command I'm using |
| 06:14.50 | Guerin | if you insist on using such horrors, you deserve what you get :) |
| 06:14.52 | stew | Sazpaimon_: what version are you trying to compile? |
| 06:14.59 | Sazpaimon_ | ffmpeg -i in.avi -vcodec h264 -r 20 -g 2 -keyint_min 25 -coder ac -me full -me_range 16 -subq 5 -sc_threshold 40 -acodec libfaac -ab 96000 -ar 22500 -cmp +chroma -partitions +parti4x4+partp8x8+partb8x8 -i_qfactor 0.71 -b_strategy 1 -crf 30 -y out.mp4 |
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| 06:15.07 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, i tried sid, then i tried lenny |
| 06:15.13 | Sazpaimon_ | both require debhelper >> 6 |
| 06:15.25 | stew | Sazpaimon_: 20080414-0.0 doesn't |
| 06:16.10 | stew | Sazpaimon_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:16.10 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, etch |
| 06:16.17 | Sazpaimon_ | the version apt is getting is 20080414-0.2 |
| 06:16.24 | stew | Sazpaimon_: debian's version doesn't require debhelper 6 either |
| 06:16.30 | Sazpaimon_ | is 20080414-0.0 the same but without the debhelper requirement? |
| 06:16.31 | streuner | Sazpaimon_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:16.41 | stew | Sazpaimon_: look for yourself |
| 06:16.52 | Sazpaimon_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:17.09 | stew | Sazpaimon_: they are the same upstream version, running interdiff on the two different debian .diffs would tell you what has changed |
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| 06:18.23 | matadon | Ok, need to take a break. |
| 06:18.31 | matadon | Getting netatalk built on Etch is an exercise in pain. |
| 06:18.52 | Sazpaimon_ | i just tried apt-get source ffmpegcvs=3:20080414-0.0 |
| 06:18.59 | Sazpaimon_ | E: Unable to find a source package for ffmpegcvs |
| 06:19.09 | matadon | Don't suppose anybody else in here has netatalk with SSL up on Etch? |
| 06:19.13 | Guerin | Sazpaimon_: the source package is probably just called ffmepg |
| 06:19.14 | stew | Sazpaimon_: get it with dget |
| 06:19.25 | stew | the source package is called ffmpegcvs |
| 06:19.27 | Guerin | oh, i'll leave this to stew |
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| 06:20.15 | Sazpaimon_ | dget ffmpegcvs=3:20080414-0.0? |
| 06:20.36 | stew | Sazpaimon_: no, you'd give dget a url |
| 06:20.46 | stew | Sazpaimon_: the -0.0 and -0.2 are in the same directory |
| 06:20.49 | Sazpaimon_ | ah |
| 06:21.09 | vlt | !install-conf |
| 06:21.34 | vlt | !conf |
| 06:21.34 | dpkg | well, conf is a Backend configuration tool for scripts |
| 06:21.59 | vlt | !reinstall conf files |
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| 06:23.09 | avythe | /dev/sda1 (which is the / partition) is full. i'm trying to install parted so that i can resize it, but it won't let me (because / is full) |
| 06:23.14 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/ffmpegcvs/ffmpegcvs_20080414-0.0.dsc seems to be it |
| 06:23.21 | avythe | what would be the best way to go about this? |
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| 06:23.44 | vlt | avythe: `aptitude clean` |
| 06:24.01 | avythe | doesn't do anything |
| 06:24.04 | avythe | it's a new install |
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| 06:24.42 | vlt | avythe: Has your free space increased? |
| 06:24.48 | avythe | no |
| 06:24.58 | fireba11 | avythe: wth did you get /dev/sda1 full on a fresh install ? |
| 06:24.59 | avythe | not in / anyway, which is all i'm looking at |
| 06:25.07 | avythe | fireba11: not my box, just trying to fix it |
| 06:25.37 | vlt | avythe: What other partitions do you have mounted below "/"? |
| 06:26.04 | avythe | tmpfs, udev, tmpfs, hda9, hda8, hda5, hda6 |
| 06:26.11 | avythe | 9 is /home, 8 is /tmp, 5 is /usr, 6 is /var |
| 06:26.36 | fireba11 | geez |
| 06:26.55 | fireba11 | avythe: is that stuff on lvm ? |
| 06:27.32 | avythe | i did the 'separate partitions' option in the install |
| 06:27.45 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, the changes between 0.0 and 0.2 seem minor |
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| 06:27.55 | avythe | didn't really think it'd only give 259m for the / partition though... |
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| 06:28.13 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/40213 |
| 06:28.14 | avythe | is there something large that i can move temporarily while i resize? |
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| 06:28.16 | stew | Sazpaimon_: check the 0.1 and 0.2 debian/changelog to see if there is any indication of why |
| 06:28.24 | vlt | avythe: 6 is /var, so `aptitiude clean` should have affected hda6 ;) |
| 06:28.31 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, i just pastebinned it :) |
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| 06:28.33 | fireba11 | too much partitions .. tip for next time: use LVM :-) |
| 06:28.50 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont see why they needed to use debhelper >>6 |
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| 06:29.01 | avythe | vlt: right, and i need space in / (/dev/hda1) :p |
| 06:29.04 | vlt | avythe: Find out what uses (that) much space: `du -am | sort -n | less`, for example. |
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| 06:29.23 | vlt | avythe: Wait |
| 06:29.36 | Steveanders_ | Hi.. I wan to check the pid of a process in debian.. how can i check it |
| 06:29.36 | vlt | avythe: `du -amx / | sort -n | less` |
| 06:30.02 | vlt | avythe: The "-x" for check only the fs on "/", not below ... |
| 06:30.22 | avythe | it's just showing me regular stuff, bin/csh/, bin/lsmod, etc. |
| 06:30.46 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, does it look like the requirement for debhelper >>6 is justified? |
| 06:30.49 | Sazpaimon_ | doesnt look like it to me |
| 06:31.01 | avythe | hm |
| 06:31.04 | stew | Sazpaimon_: i haven't looked at the interdiff |
| 06:31.10 | avythe | i completely take that back. |
| 06:31.11 | avythe | sighs |
| 06:31.15 | fireba11 | avythe : did you check how big / actually is ? |
| 06:31.18 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, http://pastebin.org/40213 is the copy of the changelog |
| 06:31.24 | stew | Sazpaimon_: i saw that |
| 06:31.32 | avythe | 259m, of which i'm sure most of it is being used by this random software installed in /opt/ |
| 06:31.51 | fireba11 | avythe: wth is it only 259 mb ? |
| 06:32.00 | avythe | that's what the install did by default |
| 06:32.04 | avythe | go figure |
| 06:32.26 | avythe | after moving whatever this software, is 150m available now. |
| 06:32.31 | fireba11 | avythe: if it's a fresh isntall it might be quicker just to install again though |
| 06:32.49 | avythe | cd's not in the box, so i'd have to get a tech to go put it in |
| 06:33.05 | fireba11 | ah, no rescue system ? |
| 06:33.19 | avythe | doesn't that..require cd? |
| 06:33.49 | fireba11 | avythe: usually for rented server you got some network boot option set up to get a rescue system to do stuff like reinstalling |
| 06:34.21 | avythe | ah |
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| 06:36.22 | avythe | hm |
| 06:36.38 | avythe | what's the best way to resize a partition? |
| 06:36.43 | avythe | reboot into a single user mode or something? |
| 06:36.47 | avythe | i don't use debian very often |
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| 06:37.56 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, sorry about the delay |
| 06:37.57 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.pastebin.org/40215 |
| 06:38.00 | Sazpaimon_ | here is the result of the interdiff |
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| 06:40.44 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, also ffmpegcvs_20080414-0.1.dsc does not exist |
| 06:40.49 | Sazpaimon_ | so i could not diff t |
| 06:40.50 | Sazpaimon_ | *it |
| 06:41.01 | avythe | how to umount /home to resize it? |
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| 06:41.47 | stew | Sazpaimon_: i don't see any reason for debhelper 6 at first glance |
| 06:41.48 | vlt | avythe: You have to run in single user mode |
| 06:41.53 | avythe | okidoki |
| 06:41.56 | stew | no you don't |
| 06:42.01 | stew | avythe: are you making it larger or smaller? |
| 06:42.04 | avythe | smaller |
| 06:42.15 | avythe | trying to remove 2gb from /home and grow / by 2gb |
| 06:42.17 | stew | avythe: have you tried "umount /home"? |
| 06:42.23 | avythe | yes, says device is busy :p |
| 06:42.29 | vlt | Steveanders_: `ps` (and some options, "ax" for ex.) or `top` |
| 06:42.41 | stew | avythe: "fuser -m /home" would tell you which processes are using it see if you could kill those |
| 06:42.49 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, me neither |
| 06:42.51 | avythe | ah |
| 06:43.10 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, perhaps a mistake on the maintainer's part? :) |
| 06:43.17 | avythe | thanks |
| 06:43.53 | vlt | avythe: I doubt you can grow "/" and shrink "/home" from the running system itself when not using LVM ... |
| 06:44.21 | vlt | ..., can't he? |
| 06:44.41 | stew | vlt: why not? |
| 06:44.42 | avythe | perhaps not |
| 06:44.46 | avythe | getting Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled when trying to resize |
| 06:45.07 | stew | avythe: what filesystem is it? |
| 06:45.12 | avythe | ext3 |
| 06:45.13 | Supaplex | well, you could, but it's problematic. you can only grow mounted ext filesystems. |
| 06:45.22 | Steveanders_ | vlt: thanx for your help |
| 06:45.30 | stew | avythe: and what command gave you that error? |
| 06:45.33 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, anyway would I be safe installing the 0.0 version? |
| 06:45.38 | avythe | parted->resize |
| 06:46.02 | stew | Sazpaimon_: no, you'd have to backport it |
| 06:46.11 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, I know, thats what i meant |
| 06:46.28 | Sazpaimon_ | I dont get any benefit between these two versions is what I mean |
| 06:46.40 | avythe | any idea? |
| 06:46.59 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 06:46.59 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 06:47.26 | avythe | that's kind of a really vague error message. |
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| 06:49.23 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, this new version still isnt helping me |
| 06:50.21 | Sazpaimon_ | it requires libx264-dev (>= 0.svn20080408), which requires libgpac-dev which requires libavformat-dev, which requires libx264-dev (>= 0.svn20080408) |
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| 06:51.47 | swankier | hey |
| 06:51.52 | swankier | who discovered the ssl issue? |
| 06:51.54 | Sazpaimon_ | stew, any suggestions? |
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| 06:52.27 | stew | swankier: /topic |
| 06:52.54 | Sazpaimon_ | i tried apt-get build-dep libx264-dev and that gave me "E: Build-Depends dependency for x264 cannot be satisfied because the package libgpac-dev cannot be found" |
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| 06:53.38 | vlt | avythe: I never used parted. It seems as if it could do exactly what I before always did manually: By saving content of /home somewhere else, then shrinking its partition, enlarging "/"'s partition and then use `resize2fs` ... |
| 06:53.39 | Sazpaimon_ | then i tried apt-get build-dep libgpac-dev and that gave me "E: Build-Depends dependency for libgpac-dev cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements" |
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| 06:54.10 | swankier | stew: oi... how's it going? |
| 06:54.14 | swankier | I'm reading through the wiki right now |
| 06:54.21 | stew | swankier: read the announcement |
| 06:54.23 | swankier | (I see you contributed heavily to it) |
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| 06:55.05 | stew | not heavily |
| 06:55.12 | swankier | so... |
| 06:55.18 | swankier | I guess the next question is... who's Luciano Bello |
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| 06:55.41 | stew | swankier: what do you need to know about him? |
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| 06:56.00 | swankier | I was just trying to understand the circumstances that lead to the bug being found |
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| 06:58.54 | moprilo | hi.. I have a debian server with 2gb of RAM, and for some reason I have a 1.64gb used with on 'cache' (got from munin) |
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| 06:59.38 | stew | moprilo: the reason is that your machine will run faster if the otherwise unused memory is used as a disk cache |
| 06:59.57 | moprilo | ohh ok thanks stew.. |
| 07:00.01 | moprilo | and how is that set? |
| 07:00.10 | moprilo | why my other debians don't show that |
| 07:00.18 | Trewas | Sazpaimon_: I'd install x264 and ffmpeg from source (svn), they still need some -dev files to work but probably much less of a dependecy hell than backporting debian packages |
| 07:00.33 | Sazpaimon_ | Trewas, i might try that |
| 07:00.35 | stew | moprilo: all linux systems do that |
| 07:01.07 | Sazpaimon_ | Trevie, at the moment Im trying to find out which packages require debhelper 6 and manually run debuild on the ones that require debhelper 5 |
| 07:01.32 | Sazpaimon_ | libamrnb3_7.0.0.2 requires debhelper 6, but libamrnb3_7.0.0.1 does not |
| 07:01.36 | Sazpaimon_ | so im going to install that |
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| 07:02.32 | swankier | stew... so no idea? |
| 07:02.33 | avythe | hm |
| 07:02.44 | avythe | Error: The location 2GB is outside of the device /dev/hda1. |
| 07:03.47 | crazyfrog | my kernel has updated to 2.6..18-6-686,but in my /lib/modules directory it still has a directory : 2.6.18-4-686.is it useful? |
| 07:03.52 | avythe | how do i...add 2gb to the partition? |
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| 07:07.41 | stew | swankier: i don't know how he discovered it, other than him saying that he found it by accident |
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| 07:14.21 | tr10 | is it possible to install debian on a 256mb flash IDE drive? |
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| 07:15.30 | fireba11 | tr10: yes, but you might want to try soemthing debina-based that is more optimized for small things like that |
| 07:15.44 | stew | tr10: yes, you wouldn't have much room for applications, however |
| 07:16.07 | fireba11 | tr10: what you want to sue that install for ? |
| 07:16.27 | tr10 | I havent decided yet.. its mostly for fun for now |
| 07:16.54 | fireba11 | tr10: things like ipcop would work fine :-) |
| 07:16.55 | Dewi | hmm... why would creating an LVM snapshot take a long time? Does it write the entire area I specify for the snapshot? |
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| 07:17.24 | tr10 | fireba11, yea.. but I need to get an extra nic =P |
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| 07:18.54 | avythe | i don't quite understand this |
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| 07:19.03 | avythe | "The location 2GB is outside of the device /dev/hda1." |
| 07:19.11 | avythe | well of course it is. how do i add that extra space to it? |
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| 07:20.34 | swankier | avythe: you should probably use LVM to do stuff like that |
| 07:21.44 | Dewi | swankier: know anything about taking snapshots, and why it could take a while? |
| 07:22.11 | Dewi | it seems to have blocked all I/O on this server |
| 07:22.23 | Dewi | which is... not good |
| 07:22.35 | swankier | I've made snapshots before... but they were just 4gig... and they happened really quickly |
| 07:22.51 | Dewi | swankier: 4G snapshot or 4G disk? |
| 07:23.04 | swankier | snapshots. |
| 07:23.09 | swankier | 400 gig drive. |
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| 07:23.33 | Dewi | swankier: I am trying to snapshot 111G, with a 5G snapshot, and it's blocked all I/O on a production server for the last 10 mins :( |
| 07:23.52 | Dewi | swankier: I still have some shells alive... but anything I potentially run might touch the disk |
| 07:23.55 | Dewi | and block forever |
| 07:24.15 | fireba11 | wth |
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| 07:26.26 | Dewi | it must be deadlocked or something |
| 07:26.40 | Dewi | I wonder how the hell I cancel it |
| 07:26.50 | darkeye | ^^ |
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| 07:30.41 | Sazpaimon_ | ok guys |
| 07:30.41 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.org/40220 |
| 07:30.44 | Sazpaimon_ | whats going on here |
| 07:30.47 | Sazpaimon_ | and how can i fix this |
| 07:31.56 | darkeye | there seems a resource to be missing |
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| 07:34.16 | Sazpaimon_ | well i uninstalled and reinstalled libpng and everything associated with it |
| 07:34.20 | Sazpaimon_ | lets see if that worked |
| 07:35.48 | gonzaloaf | hi, whats the best wrapper for gtk plus c++? |
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| 07:38.31 | Sazpaimon_ | nope, same errors |
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| 07:39.41 | Dewi | sighs. okay, got a shell |
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| 07:46.21 | Sazpaimon_ | ugh |
| 07:46.23 | Sazpaimon_ | same damn errors |
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| 07:53.31 | herua1 | latest upgrade on lenny gives me: /bin/sh: line 1: 5133 Segmentation fault /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --ap |
| 07:56.27 | herua1 | http://paste.debian.net/5071/ |
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| 07:59.58 | Sazpaimon_ | can someone please help me with this error? http://pastebin.org/40220 |
| 08:00.11 | Sazpaimon_ | ive tried uninstalling and reinstalling libpng12-dev with no luck |
| 08:01.42 | petemc | Sazpaimon_: tried installing libpng12-dev ? |
| 08:01.53 | petemc | damn lag |
| 08:02.26 | wols | do you have the library installed? the deb without -dev at the end? |
| 08:02.28 | Sazpaimon_ | could it be the stable version of libpng12-dev doesnt contain these symbols? |
| 08:02.41 | wols | Sazpaimon_: that error isn't caused by a dev package |
| 08:02.53 | Sazpaimon_ | ii libpng12-dev 1.2.15~beta5-1 PNG library - development |
| 08:02.59 | gonzaloaf | hi, ho do I specify the default gcc compiler? |
| 08:03.00 | wols | if the dev package is missing you get problems when compiling as soon as you need headers. you're long beyond that |
| 08:03.07 | wols | Sazpaimon_: I said dev doesn't mattter |
| 08:03.43 | Sazpaimon_ | ii libpng12-0 1.2.15~beta5-1 PNG library - runtime |
| 08:03.58 | wols | gonzaloaf: /etc/alternatives/cc and /usr/bin/gcc |
| 08:04.20 | Sazpaimon_ | alright well, does the problem lay in the stable version of libpng12-0 |
| 08:04.21 | wols | and you have the lib compiled with 13 or 12 of png? |
| 08:04.36 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, I dont know, how do i check |
| 08:05.09 | wols | ldd <binary> |
| 08:05.55 | Sazpaimon_ | so ldd /usr/lib/libpng12.so |
| 08:06.06 | gonzaloaf | wols, not in alternatives |
| 08:06.46 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, http://www.pastebin.org/40222 |
| 08:07.43 | wols | gonzaloaf: you have no /etc/alternatives/cc? |
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| 08:08.08 | Sazpaimon_ | would backporing the testing or sid libpng12-0 help? |
| 08:08.14 | wols | Sazpaimon_: NOT linpng. your compiled binary! |
| 08:08.22 | wols | *libpng |
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| 08:08.45 | wols | tho it's probably imlib or such which has the problem |
| 08:08.49 | wols | what IS the problem anyways? |
| 08:08.57 | Sazpaimon_ | uhhh |
| 08:09.06 | Sazpaimon_ | im trying to backport gpac-0.4.4 |
| 08:09.11 | Sazpaimon_ | and its failing on make with that error |
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| 08:09.23 | gonzaloaf | wols, There is only 1 program which provides cc, but I have installed masny gcc |
| 08:09.26 | gonzaloaf | many* |
| 08:09.34 | wols | Sazpaimon_: FULL output. ALL of it |
| 08:09.46 | Sazpaimon_ | you want the full output of make? |
| 08:09.54 | Sazpaimon_ | algright, give me a minute |
| 08:10.15 | wols | gonzaloaf: why would you need more than on cc in /etc/alternatives/ again? |
| 08:10.15 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, would you like everything debuild gives or just make |
| 08:10.24 | wols | and how CAN there be more than one? |
| 08:10.55 | Sazpaimon_ | I'll just pipe debuild to build.txt |
| 08:10.58 | wols | your wx is ancient btw |
| 08:11.42 | gonzaloaf | wols, I'm compiling a gtkmm project and having errors with gcc |
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| 08:13.07 | Sazpaimon_ | ok that didnt work |
| 08:13.13 | wols | gonzaloaf: gtkmm project s do NOT use gcc |
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| 08:13.30 | wols | *is NOT using |
| 08:13.45 | Sazpaimon_ | i'll just run make and copy all its output manually |
| 08:13.46 | sysadmin-lb22 | Hi All I have an etch server on which it takes a lot of time to remotely connect to a mysql server using mysql -uabc -h34.34.34.34 ...however it is very fast on another ethc server on the same Lan |
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| 08:17.06 | wols | Sazpaimon_: run ldd on libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a |
| 08:17.14 | wols | cause that'S the lib that errors |
| 08:17.37 | Sazpaimon_ | JUST as i pastebinned all of make |
| 08:18.39 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a is a package |
| 08:19.40 | Sazpaimon_ | err wait a tic |
| 08:19.44 | Sazpaimon_ | libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a isnt installed... |
| 08:20.07 | Sazpaimon_ | aww geez, i think that might be the culprit.. |
| 08:20.21 | Sazpaimon_ | re-runs debuild |
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| 08:25.44 | Sazpaimon_ | hah |
| 08:25.54 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, that actually DIDNT fix the problem |
| 08:26.23 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, so let me run ldd on that |
| 08:26.55 | Sazpaimon_ | wols |
| 08:26.56 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.pastebin.org/40227 |
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| 08:27.40 | JohnnyST | A question about dpatch how do I generate an patch that also includes new files in the patch? |
| 08:27.54 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, sorry wrong file |
| 08:28.15 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.pastebin.org/40229 |
| 08:28.37 | Sazpaimon_ | "libpng12.so.0: no version information available" |
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| 08:30.21 | wols | libpng12.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0x00002b2a29110000) |
| 08:30.28 | wols | and libpng12.so.0 is where on disk? |
| 08:30.54 | wols | oh. /usr/local! that's no debian file anywhere. it's a fucked up self compile or such |
| 08:31.05 | wols | same for libfreetype |
| 08:31.10 | wols | your system sucks Sazpaimon_ |
| 08:31.27 | jelly-hme | his default library path sucks |
| 08:31.35 | Sazpaimon_ | doing a loate libpng12.so.0 |
| 08:31.45 | Sazpaimon_ | i found that its located in an apache compile of mine |
| 08:32.01 | Sazpaimon_ | so apache installed libpng12.so.0 |
| 08:32.06 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.15 | jelly-hme | Sazpaimon_: apache doesn't install libpng. |
| 08:32.21 | wols | Sazpaimon_: BS |
| 08:32.43 | Sazpaimon_ | sorry, not apache |
| 08:32.49 | jelly-hme | wols: or /usr/local/lib shouldn't be in default dynamic linker config |
| 08:32.49 | Sazpaimon_ | it was in my customapache directory |
| 08:33.06 | Sazpaimon_ | i see, libpng-1.2.8 was installed seperately |
| 08:33.13 | wols | jelly-hme: it should. you could want to compile stuff not in debian. for that /usr/local is good and needed |
| 08:33.35 | Sazpaimon_ | what the hell was I doing custom compiling libpng |
| 08:33.39 | Sazpaimon_ | stupid stupid stupid |
| 08:33.45 | jelly-hme | wols: I could, but I wouldn't want stuff in /usr to link with my local libds |
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| 08:34.14 | wols | as I said: don't put shit there also available in rest of system. like libpng |
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| 08:34.48 | jelly-hme | wols: /usr/local is nice, but pushing /u/l/l into the default path ld.so looks at is rather insane |
| 08:35.38 | Sazpaimon_ | well i totally dont need these libpngs in /usr/local/lib/ |
| 08:35.45 | Sazpaimon_ | i can safely delete them, righ? |
| 08:35.49 | jelly-hme | wols: if it wasn't there, no /usr binary would be affected, and he could continue having a custom libpng for whatever reason |
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| 08:36.42 | jelly-hme | Sazpaimon_: nothing packaged will miss them, but something you built manually (and presumably put under /usr/local as well) might. |
| 08:37.11 | Sazpaimon_ | considering that the version is 1.2.8, i probably built it for something a long time ago |
| 08:37.15 | Sazpaimon_ | and probably wont miss anymore |
| 08:37.20 | wols | jelly-hme: cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf |
| 08:37.27 | wols | and that is not a file I made myself |
| 08:37.51 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway, just delete that libpng, run ldconfig, and recompile, and my stuff should compile fine, yes? |
| 08:38.10 | wols | no recompile |
| 08:38.20 | jelly-hme | wols: I know it's there, I'm just saying it's a dumb default. |
| 08:38.27 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, recompile the thing im backporting i mean |
| 08:38.32 | wols | no |
| 08:38.52 | wols | unless the compile didn't finish but then it can't be a recompile can it? |
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| 08:39.03 | Sazpaimon_ | it failed on make |
| 08:39.08 | Sazpaimon_ | meaning i'll need to run debuild again |
| 08:39.17 | Sazpaimon_ | which recompiles anyway |
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| 08:49.04 | jelly-hme | wols: looks like a maintainer fixed a build-time issue (#395177) by #$^* adding /usr/local/lib to the default path :-| |
| 08:49.41 | jelly-hme | wtf |
| 08:49.45 | liable | your missing an o |
| 08:50.03 | jelly-hme | your what? |
| 08:51.57 | BubbaT | What packages do I have to install (lenny) to install compiz? |
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| 08:53.34 | wols | !tell BubbaT about search |
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| 08:57.40 | BubbaT | wol, that's all fine. Except, synaptic tells me there are about ten packages ( not including dependencies ) associated with it. For now i just want to play with it. I will decode later if I want to get serious enough to install ten packages. |
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| 09:05.26 | themill | How does one "get serious" about compiz? |
| 09:05.27 | wols | if you want compiz there is no way except also get all its dependencies. or what do you call associations? |
| 09:05.40 | wols | what are "assocations" of packages? |
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| 09:37.59 | DragoraN | hi |
| 09:38.22 | DragoraN | please why i get this error? Server Error: Closing Link invalid servername i am trying to get hybserv running |
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| 09:42.43 | wols | cause the servername you set is not right? |
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| 09:44.06 | Legality | hey, I did this command: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -d ipip -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.101 |
| 09:44.09 | Legality | how can I remove this rule? |
| 09:44.15 | Legality | I set the wrong ip to the ipip section |
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| 09:51.59 | trifler | When I startx from my tty1 it generates errors but I cant see them all then going back from the desktop to tty. Is there some way I can get the output into a textfile and see the whole "picture"? |
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| 09:54.04 | DragoraN | wols: it is |
| 09:54.47 | wols | Legality: install ipmasq |
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| 09:55.11 | wols | and you can remove it with -d |
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| 09:56.17 | groton | after having compiled a kernel from the sources of the linux-source-2.6.24 package, how do i create a initrd image? i used the official kernel configuration |
| 09:57.31 | jatt | mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24 2.6.24 |
| 09:57.36 | crazyfrog | what is the usage of "/etc/modprobe.d"?the configure file of modprobe is /etc/modules,it is right? |
| 09:57.48 | vaq | crazyfrog yes |
| 09:58.20 | crazyfrog | vaq:how about /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 09:58.35 | wols | groton: you don't |
| 09:58.42 | wols | groton: use kernel-package |
| 09:58.50 | groton | jatt, thanks, i will look to what that command does. |
| 09:58.52 | wols | crazyfrog: yes |
| 09:58.56 | groton | wols, hi, what? |
| 09:59.11 | wols | !tell groton about k-p |
| 09:59.32 | groton | ok, dpkg told me that in private, i will read it, thanks |
| 09:59.59 | crazyfrog | wols:but,what is the usage of /etc/modprobe.d directory? |
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| 10:00.16 | wols | crazyfrog: you've been told. twice |
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| 10:10.18 | streuner | wols: have fun? :-) |
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| 10:12.03 | wols | streuner: permasunday |
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| 10:15.17 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:15.18 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 10:15.19 | pozic | trifler: you redirect stderror and possibly stdout to a file. |
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| 10:16.53 | zd32nv | does irc.debian.net still direct the user to the oftc network? |
| 10:17.03 | jelly | hi, something in my LAN is generating traffic with a multicast destination. How can I tell my debian machine not to listen to it? |
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| 10:17.11 | Steveanders | !red5 |
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| 10:23.51 | wols | zd32nv: yes |
| 10:24.08 | wols | jelly: avahi running? |
| 10:24.34 | jelly | yes. Cursed avahi! |
| 10:24.44 | wols | there you have it |
| 10:25.12 | jelly | not that stopping stopped the traffic inflow |
| 10:25.17 | jelly | it* |
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| 10:26.27 | jelly | wols: someone is testing some m'cast equipment in my vlan, and I have no idea why does the traffic reach my machine |
| 10:26.48 | jelly | no avahi-daemon running any more |
| 10:28.26 | Legality | how can I copy text from putty without cancelling the command running :> |
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| 10:28.43 | Legality | normal copy copy is done via ctrl+c which is the cancel command |
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| 10:29.49 | Eulex | you select it |
| 10:29.54 | jelly | Legality: middle mouse button or right mouse button, depending on your configuration |
| 10:30.00 | jelly | er |
| 10:30.11 | Eulex | yeah, that's how you'd paste |
| 10:30.12 | jelly | copy? just drag with left mouse |
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| 10:30.37 | tenzind_ | in the Debian installation guide for etch, to prepare a bootable usb stick, it says copy the files vmlinuz, initrd.gz, syslinux.cfg from the Debian archives. What/where does Debian archives mean here? |
| 10:30.44 | larsl | I get this when apt-get updating after adding an "experimental" mirror: |
| 10:30.47 | larsl | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 10:30.56 | larsl | Does that mean that particular mirror is broken? |
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| 10:31.51 | jelly | larsl: either that or your local copy of that file in /var/lib/apt/lists is invalid |
| 10:32.16 | groton | wols, i created a initrd image with the command jatt suggested me, but using mkinitramfs instead of mkinitrd, and it worked perfectly :) (i repeat 'cause been disconnected) |
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| 10:32.32 | jelly | larsl: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages, and do an update |
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| 10:32.57 | larsl | jelly: It was the first time, so I don't think I had a local copy. |
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| 10:33.06 | Eulex | now you do. |
| 10:33.08 | jelly | still |
| 10:33.10 | larsl | Anyway, ftp.fi.debian.org works. |
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| 10:35.55 | trifler | How can I get the background output into a file when i startx? |
| 10:36.28 | Eulex | if you mean stdout and/or stderr: redirect it |
| 10:37.31 | trifler | Eulex: Hurm? How or does it already end up in some log? |
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| 10:39.30 | Eulex | trifler, just > log.txt to catch stdout |
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| 10:40.09 | pozic | trifler: if you would have put what I said into Google, you would already have had the answer. |
| 10:40.15 | wols | groton: it still sucks. you cannot properly uninstall your kernel, it wasn't added to your boot menu automatically, etc |
| 10:40.32 | trifler | pozic: sorry I must have missed it. |
| 10:40.35 | trifler | I'll backlog |
| 10:40.47 | groton | wols, yes, i did all myself, but if there are not major drawbacks, i will keep this way |
| 10:40.57 | wols | I just told you |
| 10:41.31 | wols | oh yes: no kernel-headers either so you have to keep the FULL kernel source around. all 500MB of it with the object files |
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| 10:42.02 | groton | wols, what's kernel-headers? does it contain precompiled headers? |
| 10:42.08 | wols | no |
| 10:42.22 | wols | but you will need them anytime you make a kernel modules. always |
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| 10:46.08 | jelly | wols: eh, 300MB of my /usr/src/linux-2.6.24 isn't that much bigger than linux-image + linux-headers for recent kernels. |
| 10:46.31 | wols | jelly: bs |
| 10:46.40 | jelly | wols: debian builds everything, I don't need to. |
| 10:47.12 | wols | jelly: BS |
| 10:47.21 | sysadmin-lb22 | how to clear sendmail queue ? |
| 10:47.42 | wols | jelly: I didn't say to build debian source unmodified. I just said to use kernel-package |
| 10:48.06 | wols | jelly: headers and kernel are 65MB here |
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| 10:48.45 | liable | source is way bigger than kernel though |
| 10:48.48 | jelly | wols: ah, that makes more sense |
| 10:49.10 | wols | debian kernel is 47MB compared to my 15MB btw. so it's still 100MB only. and: your custom kernel has about the same size 15-50MB |
| 10:49.54 | wols | groton: fyi kernel-package works fine with kernel.org vanilla sources |
| 10:49.56 | digitaloktay | my self compiled kernel is MB |
| 10:49.58 | jelly | indeed; I use make-kpkg for mine when I build for slow machines |
| 10:50.01 | digitaloktay | +14 |
| 10:50.47 | wols | yes anoterh bonus: you can make the kernel on the fast machines and copy it over to the slow ones and install |
| 10:50.49 | groton | wols, ok, what stop me is only that i have to learn it, but i will |
| 10:51.01 | wols | groton: 5 minute process |
| 10:51.12 | Henry-Nicolas | Hi everybody, do you know a gnome applet for monitoring raid device (software raid, using mdadm) to display an alert on error ? |
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| 10:58.44 | gd1 | hi |
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| 10:59.05 | JyZyXEL | how do i add a new default route? |
| 10:59.09 | gd1 | can the user interfere with the login (or system startup) process pressing some keys in order to perform any task? |
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| 10:59.10 | JyZyXEL | i just removed it |
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| 10:59.59 | gd1 | I mean, during INIT, or during autologin (performed with mingetty) can the user break the process and ... do something? |
| 11:01.18 | mgfdr | hello people |
| 11:01.35 | wols | JyZyXEL: man route |
| 11:01.57 | wols | gd1: would be a security issue so no |
| 11:02.44 | JyZyXEL | k |
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| 11:03.13 | gd1 | thanks! |
| 11:03.26 | Sazpaimon_ | well this lenny backported version of ffmpegg works SO much better than the stable version |
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| 11:03.35 | Sazpaimon_ | no more segfaults with h.264 encoding! |
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| 11:04.26 | zxxd | what's the difference of setting an ip address to a bridge interface vs setting the same address to one of the interfaces attached to the bridge instead? |
| 11:05.31 | pozic | That's a disadvantage of the stable, testing, unstable approach. Some people interpret unstable as "just program something and ditch it to the users and let them sort out whether it works" vs. the latest code that solves some bugs and introduced unrelated new features after a qualified developer made some changes. |
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| 11:11.44 | jelly | pozic: that's not a failure in approach, just the naming thereof |
| 11:12.06 | pozic | jelly: interpretation of the names, yes. |
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| 11:12.31 | pozic | I suppose it's not "nice" to label some projects in the one category and others in the other. |
| 11:13.12 | extor | Why is the hash value of a password from the same username different on two boxes in the /etc/shadow? Is there some unique key being used to gen the hash? |
| 11:13.24 | __ne2k | extor: salt |
| 11:13.44 | extor | salt meaning, some random hash is generated in each box? |
| 11:13.57 | extor | pours some ground celtic over his eggs |
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| 11:14.14 | engla | extor: you take the hash of salt+password |
| 11:14.18 | __ne2k | zxxd: you can't really set the ip address of a physical interface once you have added it to a bridge, I don't think |
| 11:14.32 | __ne2k | zxxd: or, at least, I'm not sure what it would mean if you did |
| 11:14.35 | pozic | extor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography) |
| 11:14.36 | zxxd | __ne2k, it works here |
| 11:15.02 | extor | Is salt a variable across different boxes? Or is it an algorithm. I don't get it |
| 11:15.08 | __ne2k | zxxd: it might mean that that ip address is only accessible/arpable from that physical interface, not from other interfaces that are added to the bridge |
| 11:17.03 | pozic | How can I easily print a pdf file scaled to full A4? There is lots of white space in source document. I could use some image manipulation program, but there should be an easier way. |
| 11:17.04 | zxxd | __ne2k, are you sure about that? |
| 11:17.18 | pozic | extor: read a book, if you don't understand the link. |
| 11:17.22 | __ne2k | zxxd: no, not at all, hence why I said, "it /might/ mean..." ;-) |
| 11:17.49 | __ne2k | pozic: use acrobat reader ;-) |
| 11:18.11 | extor | Gawd you coulda just said a random number was also involved |
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| 11:20.00 | pozic | extor: you could just have entered "salt security" into Google and found out for yourself. |
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| 11:27.52 | liable | !lose Shadowcat |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | Shadowcat: You Lose. |
| 11:28.22 | Shadowcat | !beat liable |
| 11:28.23 | dpkg | beats liable with a large stick. |
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| 11:34.15 | digitaloktay | !win |
| 11:34.15 | dpkg | from memory, win is lose. |
| 11:35.22 | magellanino | what's cpufreq governor?? |
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| 11:35.45 | pozic | Is there a browser with a working implementation of "Print selection". Working means that it operates on a part of the DOM tree, and not just prints the text concatenated to eachother (like the Iceweasel browser). Opera also makes a mess out of it. |
| 11:37.57 | wols | magellanino: something that adjusts your cpu frequency |
| 11:38.27 | magellanino | on the desktop pc it'need? |
| 11:38.35 | magellanino | on the desktop pc it's need? |
| 11:38.44 | magellanino | wols? |
| 11:39.10 | magellanino | or it's need only laptop pc? |
| 11:39.16 | liable | if you want to adjust your frequency.. |
| 11:39.46 | magellanino | i do this question because on the startup monitor |
| 11:40.10 | magellanino | cpufreq governor disabilated |
| 11:40.18 | magellanino | it's normally? |
| 11:40.21 | wols | no one needs it but it's handy |
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| 11:42.04 | magellanino | ok |
| 11:42.34 | magellanino | thanks wols then i don't install cpufreqd |
| 11:42.46 | magellanino | it's correct? |
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| 11:43.38 | liable | bring it on |
| 11:43.44 | liable | echan |
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| 11:44.43 | liable | magellanino: for a desktop box, you dont really need it |
| 11:45.05 | magellanino | it's ok liable ;) |
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| 11:48.09 | notig | is it possible to get my console looking "neater" like live-cd's do? is this framebuffer support? |
| 11:49.34 | liable | smaller text? yes |
| 11:49.47 | notig | and its just generally "nicer to look at"? |
| 11:50.01 | ne2k__ | notig: the "console" being what exactly? |
| 11:50.12 | notig | well when it boots, and the tty |
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| 11:51.04 | notig | on live-cds and i use to use gentoo, it looked nice, just installed debian and its kind of, chunky |
| 11:51.29 | ne2k__ | notig: read up on framebuffer console |
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| 11:52.47 | notig | ok |
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| 11:53.30 | JyZyXEL | where can i find a basic iptables script for a computer that has 2 NIC:s |
| 11:53.57 | JyZyXEL | eth0 should just be all accept but eth1 should have the basic firewall |
| 11:54.09 | JyZyXEL | so that noone can access the daemons im running |
| 11:54.43 | wols | ipmasq |
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| 11:55.53 | borgdrone_ | hi |
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| 11:56.14 | borgdrone_ | nobody responds on Centos, so I will ask here |
| 11:56.17 | borgdrone_ | hi |
| 11:56.18 | borgdrone_ | I am trying to access my Centos 5.1 box using GNOME gui and VNC or NX |
| 11:56.18 | borgdrone_ | first I had problem with gnome, when trying to install it it was missing dependency http > 2.2.0 |
| 11:56.18 | borgdrone_ | I installed it with exclude gnome user share |
| 11:56.18 | borgdrone_ | now I installed vnc |
| 11:56.18 | borgdrone_ | and when I try to login I get screen on which I have: |
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| 11:56.22 | Sling | :) |
| 11:56.26 | wols | !they don't know |
| 11:56.27 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:56.29 | raz0 | JyZyXEL, Shorewall is nice, but it's overkill for your use, if you really never want to do more complicated things. |
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| 11:56.34 | wols | oh. neato |
| 11:56.51 | Sling | !they don't know |
| 11:56.51 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 11:57.31 | JyZyXEL | raz0 yea i know its a terrible overkill |
| 11:57.32 | borgdrone_ | dpkg I this is same for Debian and Centos |
| 11:57.32 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, borgdrone_ |
| 11:57.56 | wols | borgdrone_: stop that and go away. either you run debian or you have to ask for support elsewhere |
| 11:58.01 | Sling | borgdrone_ : dpkg is a bot |
| 11:58.06 | Sling | and centos != debian |
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| 11:58.33 | borgdrone_ | is "ls" same command on Debian and Centos? |
| 11:58.41 | wols | !centos |
| 11:58.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos @ irc.freenode.net |
| 11:58.49 | Sling | ls is part of the GNU toolkit, so yes |
| 11:58.56 | wols | borgdrone_: we ONLY support debian. go ask ##linux |
| 11:58.56 | Sling | but centos is based on red hat |
| 11:59.00 | borgdrone_ | ok |
| 11:59.05 | borgdrone_ | I am using Debian |
| 11:59.11 | borgdrone_ | can you help me now |
| 11:59.21 | wols | borgdrone_:the longer you lie the more you annoy an op |
| 11:59.23 | wols | so stop it |
| 11:59.26 | borgdrone_ | I want to do this on Debian |
| 11:59.36 | borgdrone_ | no really, if I can get it to work on Debian |
| 11:59.40 | borgdrone_ | its ok for me |
| 11:59.41 | wols | borgdrone_:the longer you lie the more you annoy an op |
| 12:00.09 | borgdrone_ | I am starting with linux, so any distro is OK for me |
| 12:00.12 | vinsci | is the debian DNS overworked? aptitude complained that it "Could not resolve 'security.debian.org'" many times (but not all times) on the last aptitude update |
| 12:00.21 | wols | !op please make borgdrone_ seek help in #centos |
| 12:00.27 | Sling | there is no 'debian' dns |
| 12:00.32 | wols | borgdrone_: come back when you actaully haev debian installed |
| 12:00.43 | borgdrone_ | wols, ok, bye |
| 12:00.49 | Sling | your own dns cant resolve the security.debian.org host |
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| 12:01.05 | vinsci | Sling, there is a DNS which has authority over debian.org, and so over security.debian.org |
| 12:01.15 | Sling | well yes, but that is working fine atm |
| 12:01.17 | wols | vinsci: works fine here. security.debian.org has 4 IPs |
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| 12:02.10 | vinsci | wols, Sling; yes it was a temporary problem, but still worrying |
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| 12:02.30 | Sling | use nslookup to find out where the problem lies |
| 12:02.31 | wols | vinsci: debian is not responsible for your ISPs shitty DNS. go complain to them |
| 12:02.43 | Sling | wols is in a fine mood today |
| 12:03.03 | vinsci | wols, I begin to doubt you understand DNS |
| 12:03.13 | wols | vinsci: I KNOW you don't :P |
| 12:03.39 | wols | vinsci: have you traced your DNS resolving, which one tells you there is a timeout? |
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| 12:03.53 | wols | if so, what tools did you use? |
| 12:04.12 | vinsci | wols, aptitude doesn't say which server fails when it can't resolve |
| 12:04.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | which doesnt answer wols questions |
| 12:05.20 | wols | vinsci: but dig does. which means you don't have the slightest clue about DNS |
| 12:06.32 | vinsci | wols, I haven't even started to look into what server causes/d the problem. I merely stated that aptitude failed on several tries to resolve security.debian.org |
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| 12:07.25 | wols | and we told you it resolves fine for us which means debian dns is working fine in which case it's very likely your ISP currently has DNS problems. not us |
| 12:07.53 | wols | vinsci: so instad of uselessly arguing have you done what I suggested? |
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| 12:08.27 | vinsci | wols, again, it's an intermittent problem. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. I'm not surprised it works for you, that doesn't mean everything is OK with {raff,rietz,klecker}.debian.org |
| 12:09.17 | wols | wtf has klecker to do with sdo? |
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| 12:09.58 | vinsci | wols, well, it's one of the 3 DNS servers for debian.org |
| 12:10.27 | wols | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 12:10.27 | wols | debian.org. 3600 IN SOA samosa.debian.org. hostmaster.debian.org. 2008060301 10800 3600 604800 3600 |
| 12:10.31 | wols | it is? |
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| 12:11.02 | vinsci | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 12:11.02 | vinsci | debian.org. 3600 IN NS raff.debian.org. |
| 12:11.02 | vinsci | debian.org. 3600 IN NS rietz.debian.org. |
| 12:11.02 | vinsci | debian.org. 3600 IN NS klecker.debian.org. |
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| 12:11.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | winrar |
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| 12:11.24 | wols | !win vinsci |
| 12:11.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, vinsci! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 12:11.44 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: is your auth server samosa or another one? |
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| 12:12.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, my authority section matches vinsci ('cept my dns works) |
| 12:13.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | unless i dont know how to use dig of course ... |
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| 12:13.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | (100% posable) |
| 12:13.33 | vinsci | then again, "dig security.debian.org" is hard to get wrong :) |
| 12:13.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | vinsci, there is that |
| 12:14.40 | Sling | hm i see i dont even get any authoritive dns servers, weird |
| 12:16.14 | vinsci | there's no A records for the ns's |
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| 12:17.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://paste.debian.net/5087/ |
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| 12:19.02 | milligan_ | What's the default tomcat listening port on tomcat5.5 from the debian repos ? |
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| 12:20.27 | ayeee | Hi, I did 'apt-get upgrade' due to the openssl issue with Debian, but I'll get: |
| 12:20.27 | ayeee | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 12:20.27 | ayeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.33 | ayeee | What can/should I do? |
| 12:20.53 | wols | !tell ayeee about kept back |
| 12:20.56 | wols | ayeee: dist-upgrade |
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| 12:22.48 | lindenle | Can I add afs auth to my kdm login somehow? |
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| 12:25.16 | notig | when trying to startx, im getting error, screen 0 is not DRI capable, how do i solve this? |
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| 12:26.36 | ayeee | melinda test # ./dowkd.pl host secure.host.com |
| 12:26.36 | ayeee | summary: keys found: 2, weak keys: 0 |
| 12:26.51 | ayeee | Is that enought, or do I need to update the keys anyway? |
| 12:26.59 | nixguy | notig: you sure its the message thats the reason your x fails to start? |
| 12:27.06 | nixguy | is it (WW) |
| 12:27.07 | nixguy | or (EE) |
| 12:27.12 | nixguy | in front of it |
| 12:27.18 | nixguy | w for warning |
| 12:27.19 | nixguy | e for error |
| 12:27.21 | nixguy | error is worse |
| 12:27.36 | nixguy | you could try comennting out your dri module out of your xorg.conf |
| 12:27.45 | nixguy | but like im not sure its related to that ... |
| 12:27.48 | nixguy | away |
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| 12:28.21 | notig | EE |
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| 12:29.00 | wols | notig: is the drm module loaded? what videocard, what driver? |
| 12:29.06 | notig | nvidia |
| 12:29.15 | wols | what driver? |
| 12:29.20 | kora | hi, is there a possibility to set up dnsmasq to that anyone in the network who does a dnsrequest will be redirected to a certain page,.. something like this: * -> localhost:80 |
| 12:29.21 | notig | when i uncomment dri i get an error saying dri module not loaded whn i startx |
| 12:29.22 | notig | 1 sec.. |
| 12:29.31 | milligan_ | Anybody? I've installed tomcat5.5 from the repos .. but it's not binding to port 8080. Any ideas why? |
| 12:29.47 | notig | wols:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
| 12:30.11 | wols | notig: i asked for the DRIVER |
| 12:30.34 | notig | sorry wols, how do i find that? |
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| 12:30.43 | jelly | is there a java-package for etch that works with sun's java6 .bin? |
| 12:30.55 | wols | jelly: backport is available |
| 12:31.03 | wols | notig: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 12:31.22 | wols | !tell jelly about install java |
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| 12:31.39 | notig | nothing is returned, i should get the drivers i guess? |
| 12:31.43 | notig | :) |
| 12:32.05 | wols | you probably installed non-debian drievrs in which case we cannot help you |
| 12:32.13 | notig | i have not installed any drivers yet |
| 12:32.16 | jelly | wols: a colleague doesn't want backported java package, but a working java-package to make them himself (to get the very latest java6) |
| 12:32.24 | notig | i just installed the BAse system with net install |
| 12:32.25 | wols | notig: then what driver did you choose? |
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| 12:32.44 | wols | !tell jelly about java-package |
| 12:32.48 | wols | dunno if it still works |
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| 12:33.23 | jelly | wols: the etch one doesn't |
| 12:33.40 | wols | !tell jelly about ssb |
| 12:33.56 | notig | wols: my xorf.conf has this in: |
| 12:34.02 | notig | Section "Device" |
| 12:34.02 | notig | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.02 | notig | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.03 | notig | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.03 | notig | EndSection |
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| 12:34.34 | notig | wols: http://pastebin.com/d74eccce1 |
| 12:34.35 | wols | you want nv or nvidia as a driver |
| 12:34.41 | notig | ok |
| 12:34.43 | vinsci | hmm, now I get completely normal DNS responses for *.debian.org again |
| 12:34.54 | wols | !tell notig about drxx |
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| 12:35.12 | notig | ah it works now wols |
| 12:35.13 | notig | thanks :) |
| 12:35.16 | notig | changed driver to nv |
| 12:35.25 | wols | no 3D tho |
| 12:35.32 | danara | hi, how do i make dhcp ignore eth0 ? i tried INTERFACES="eth1" in /etc/init.d/dhcpd and i still get dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth0 |
| 12:35.40 | notig | what, like video? |
| 12:35.52 | wols | danara: do you have a "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:36.09 | danara | wols: yes |
| 12:36.13 | wols | then remove it |
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| 12:37.42 | notig | wols: what do i need to do to get 3d then? |
| 12:37.48 | danara | wols: hmm, wouldn't that make the interface not go up at boot time ? |
| 12:38.19 | wols | yes but if you don't want to use dhcp on it that's the point |
| 12:38.29 | wols | !wayttd danara |
| 12:38.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, danara? |
| 12:38.53 | wols | notig: install the nvidia drivers. the legay ones for your card |
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| 12:40.16 | danara | wols: there are 3 nics, eth0 - connected to the mediaconvertor-internet, and the other 2 forming a local bridge, i only want to provide dhcp on local |
| 12:40.24 | notig | wols: ah ok |
| 12:40.30 | notig | wols: thanks for the help |
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| 12:41.55 | wols | so make dhcpd only listen on those |
| 12:42.31 | danara | wols: that's what im tring to do.. the question is: how ? |
| 12:42.45 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.57 | jelly | wols: thankfully, the newest java6 is already backported |
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| 12:43.24 | danara | petemc /etc/default/dhcpd: No such file or directory |
| 12:43.47 | petemc | danara: is there a file with a similar name? |
| 12:44.13 | petemc | its dhcp3-server here |
| 12:44.20 | danara | petemc: the config file for dhcpd is /etc/dhcpd.conf |
| 12:44.37 | _eskimo | bye |
| 12:45.23 | jelly | what was the reason to keep both isc dchpd v2 and v3 packaged, again? |
| 12:45.30 | petemc | danara: i use dhcp3-server, and you tell it what interfaces to listen on via a file in /etc/default/ |
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| 12:47.01 | danara | petemc: apt-geting dhcp3-server just a sec |
| 12:47.38 | wols | jelly: I told you |
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| 12:49.34 | notig | if i stop exim4 and portmap in /etc/init.d/ , how do i stop having to do this each time i boot/ |
| 12:49.59 | ne2k__ | notig: change the entries in /etc/rc<x>.d/, where <x> is your default runlevel |
| 12:50.14 | notig | thanks |
| 12:50.19 | ne2k__ | notig: or, use the debianized script for automating such things, the name of which I have forgotten |
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| 12:50.37 | notig | can i find out what run level im in? |
| 12:50.38 | notig | i think its 3 |
| 12:51.06 | ne2k__ | notig: look in /etc/inittab at the default line |
| 12:51.31 | NthDegree | hey guys |
| 12:51.32 | ne2k__ | grep inittdefault /etc/inittab |
| 12:51.42 | notig | thanks again |
| 12:51.43 | wols | notig: "runlevel" |
| 12:51.43 | Xilium | you can edit rc entries for every program that runs on boot i think |
| 12:51.48 | NthDegree | if I tell you what version of GCC i'm after, can you tell me what version of Debian I am after? |
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| 12:52.04 | wols | !tell NthDegree about search |
| 12:52.06 | danara | petemc: dhcp working now.. |
| 12:52.13 | notig | ok, yes im in runlevel 2 |
| 12:52.22 | notig | so i just remove the S20 entries that i dont want? |
| 12:52.23 | rvsjoen | is dash going default in lenny ? |
| 12:52.27 | NthDegree | wols, i'm looking for something dpkg cannot help with |
| 12:52.32 | wols | ne2k__: update-rc.d |
| 12:52.55 | wols | NthDegree: but pdo can. which dpkg just told you about |
| 12:52.56 | ne2k__ | wols: notig: that's the one |
| 12:53.14 | ne2k__ | notig: man update-rc.d |
| 12:53.20 | notig | thanks |
| 12:53.50 | NthDegree | hmm |
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| 12:54.16 | NthDegree | it can tell me what version of debian has GCC 2.95.4 20011002? lol |
| 12:54.32 | wols | hmmm... someone has changed the factoid :( |
| 12:54.52 | ne2k__ | !update-rc.d |
| 12:54.52 | dpkg | update-rc.d is probably used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 12:55.33 | wols | potato is the oldest version of debian you can still get. slink is another candidate but dunno if there are any ISOs around |
| 12:55.40 | NthDegree | wols, just so you know i'm after doing what Debian should have done - CVS WineX |
| 12:56.05 | NthDegree | I got a friends to send me some paid Cedega garbage so I could find out what build env they used |
| 12:56.12 | NthDegree | and it's Debian xD |
| 12:56.38 | NthDegree | just need to find out which one |
| 12:57.06 | asg | wols: I could probably make you an ISO for slink ... I have it somewhere at home |
| 12:57.51 | wols | NthDegree: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/Debian-2.2/main/binary-i386/devel/gcc_2.95.2-13.1.deb |
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| 12:58.13 | wols | NthDegree: non-free software |
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| 12:58.47 | wols | not to mention winex assholes threatened to sue people who distribute winex binaries |
| 12:58.50 | NthDegree | wols, only non-free in the sense TG are assholes |
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| 12:58.59 | wols | at that point it was dead for debian |
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| 12:59.08 | NthDegree | I don't care about legal threats |
| 12:59.22 | liable | distibutors do.. |
| 12:59.26 | NthDegree | in which case the binaries go on TPB and people will download them anyway :P |
| 12:59.26 | liable | +r |
| 12:59.42 | wols | debian does |
| 12:59.50 | witless | Hi. i'm in an area where Charter is monitoring my internet activity. I have an Etch VPS located in another state - how could I set up a proxy on that server to encrypt my http traffic out of Charter's network? |
| 13:00.05 | NthDegree | wols, hence why if Debian won't do it, i'll do it separate from Debian |
| 13:00.11 | wols | witless: ssh portforwarding and a socks server in the vPS |
| 13:00.18 | wols | witless: monitor how? |
| 13:00.25 | NthDegree | a bit like how livna works with Fedora |
| 13:00.27 | wols | witless: you need SOCKS enabled network apps to use it |
| 13:00.38 | NthDegree | and the penguin liberation front work with Mandriva |
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| 13:01.01 | witless | wols: they're collecting information on subscribers' browsing (deep packet inspection), and selling the data to a third-party advertising firm, NebuAds. |
| 13:01.34 | NthDegree | witless, use another ISP |
| 13:01.34 | wols | ssh is easiest to set up. a VPN is another solution |
| 13:01.36 | bankrun | is there something wrong with the upgrade for unstable ? |
| 13:01.44 | witless | choices are limited in my area |
| 13:02.01 | wols | there ALWAYS is something wrong with sid. that's why it's sid.... |
| 13:02.02 | witless | thanks, i will check out ssh portforwarding + socks |
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| 13:02.07 | pozic | bankrun: there is a wiki page with the status of unstable which might or might not be up to date. |
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| 13:02.12 | bankrun | apt-get upgrade says: upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:02.39 | pozic | bankrun: that says nothing without more relevant information |
| 13:02.42 | witless | i've tried tor but the performance really isn't there... |
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| 13:03.21 | wols | witless: what protocols do they inspect? |
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| 13:05.32 | NthDegree | witless, ever tried getting your own back? |
| 13:05.40 | NthDegree | i.e. run a Tor exit node ;-p |
| 13:05.52 | NthDegree | that will bugger up their data essentially |
| 13:05.58 | bankrun | is there something wrong with the upgrade ? |
| 13:06.02 | NthDegree | pollute it with 1000s of different peoples requests |
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| 13:06.15 | bankrun | apt-upgrade says there are no packages to upgrade |
| 13:07.00 | witless | wols: i'm not sure - don't know if it's just http or what. |
| 13:07.04 | witless | NthDegree: what do you mean? |
| 13:07.04 | abrotman | bankrun: why is that wrong? |
| 13:07.30 | NthDegree | witless, if you run a Tor exit node then loads of people would use your internet through Tor's proxy network |
| 13:07.33 | bankrun | cause i havent upgraded for at least some weeks |
| 13:07.39 | NthDegree | thus their advertising data would then be inaccurate |
| 13:07.50 | bankrun | maybe its ftp.nl.debian.org ? |
| 13:07.51 | wols | NthDegree: he's on metered internet |
| 13:07.56 | NthDegree | ah crud |
| 13:08.09 | NthDegree | change ISP to another one then >.> |
| 13:08.14 | abrotman | bankrun: running which version of debian ? |
| 13:08.15 | witless | oh, i see - instead of anonymizing, provide anonymization for others and simply obfuscate my own traffic |
| 13:08.18 | wols | they all are metered there |
| 13:08.23 | bankrun | version is unstable |
| 13:08.42 | abrotman | bankrun: then try another mirror |
| 13:08.46 | wols | witless: you still get ads inserted in your webstream. just non targeted ones |
| 13:08.59 | NthDegree | and you can filter ads |
| 13:09.01 | NthDegree | it's not hard |
| 13:09.23 | witless | i don't care about the ads - i use privoxy etc - i just want to do my small part to make this a Bad Idea for Charter |
| 13:09.25 | wols | NthDegree: polluting the DB is not good in his case |
| 13:09.28 | bankrun | aha |
| 13:09.37 | wols | it's personal info. much better to not generate any info at all |
| 13:09.39 | NthDegree | wols, why not? if he blocks all the ads anyway |
| 13:09.43 | bankrun | a bad line in sources.list |
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| 13:09.53 | wols | NthDegree: cause it'S personalized |
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| 13:10.01 | wols | not just the ads |
| 13:10.06 | NthDegree | then he emails charter to say "you aren't having my personal info, you can have Tor users info though :P" |
| 13:10.09 | wols | he will probably get snailmail based on his profile too |
| 13:10.13 | bankrun | ... upgrading |
| 13:10.29 | bankrun | 355 upgraded thats better |
| 13:10.35 | witless | i don't even know if i can get dsl out here |
| 13:11.29 | bankrun | so while im upgrading i can bore those on #debian |
| 13:11.52 | bankrun | im experiencing random hangups |
| 13:12.02 | notig | does syslogd do the same as klogd pretty much? |
| 13:12.07 | notig | do i need both running? |
| 13:12.08 | bankrun | suddenly without notice the pc just freezes |
| 13:12.20 | bankrun | but the mouse still moves ... |
| 13:12.22 | wols | notig: yes you need both |
| 13:12.25 | bankrun | very weird |
| 13:13.27 | bankrun | the screen scrambles the last line its displaying and stops and no response to the keyboard, but the mouse still moves |
| 13:13.49 | wols | bankrun: what video drivers? |
| 13:14.22 | bankrun | video cards are 2xnvidia |
| 13:14.40 | wols | I didn't ask that, did I? |
| 13:14.51 | bankrun | im not in X right now |
| 13:14.59 | bankrun | but the default X settings |
| 13:14.59 | notig | can anyone recommend a dns server for debian? |
| 13:15.01 | wols | and? what does this have to do with it? |
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| 13:15.15 | wols | being in X won't help you tell me what drivers you use at all |
| 13:15.23 | abrotman | notig: bind9 ? |
| 13:15.30 | wols | notig: why do you need a dns server? what for? |
| 13:15.46 | notig | just play about setting up web services, |
| 13:15.52 | bankrun | then if you can explain where i can find the video drivers |
| 13:16.03 | wols | in your xorg.conf for example |
| 13:16.07 | notig | bankrun: check /etc/X11/xorg.cong |
| 13:16.10 | notig | what driver is being used |
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| 13:16.18 | wols | notig: do you have a static public IP? |
| 13:16.27 | bankrun | driver "nv" |
| 13:16.38 | notig | wols: yes, but its just to try something out really |
| 13:16.49 | notig | IP / dns im gonna try |
| 13:16.50 | wols | notig: use /etc/hosts then |
| 13:17.15 | bankrun | i guess thats the default nvidia driver |
| 13:17.25 | bankrun | i didnt install any other drivers |
| 13:17.56 | bankrun | so you think its the video driver ? |
| 13:18.38 | Bushmills | notig: do you have prior experience with dns? |
| 13:18.55 | notig | a little, in theory, not practical experiance though |
| 13:19.06 | Eulex | bankrun, that's the open source nvidia driver, which iirc doesn't even have 2d acceleration |
| 13:19.22 | Bushmills | notig, i assume you want an authoritative dns, i.e. serving domains of yours. |
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| 13:19.32 | notig | Yes |
| 13:19.34 | bankrun | wow that sounds pretty bad |
| 13:19.57 | Bushmills | notig: i'd, in your place, not use bind to begin with, but look at something like maradns. |
| 13:20.15 | notig | ah ok, bit simpler? |
| 13:20.26 | Bushmills | simpler and pretty safe. |
| 13:20.49 | Bushmills | but quick. it misses reloading of zone files, means, dns needs a restart. |
| 13:20.51 | bankrun | then i gotta install some REAL drivers |
| 13:21.20 | Eulex | bankrun, just one question: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:21.35 | Eulex | this doesn't necessarily have to do with the X driver. |
| 13:21.37 | abrotman | Eulex: you should know better than to ask! |
| 13:21.39 | Bushmills | (makes it also less suitable for domains which resolve dynamically updated ip adresses) |
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| 13:21.50 | moope1 | does anyone have a good howto for setting up port knocking |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | google ? |
| 13:21.57 | Danker | What are there packages for multicasting support in debian? |
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| 13:22.17 | bankrun | Eulex: unstable |
| 13:22.23 | Eulex | abrotman, ah, yeah, scrolled up and saw it |
| 13:22.26 | wols | Danker: what pacakges would you want? |
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| 13:22.40 | wols | multicast is a kernel feature. it's in the tcpip stack... |
| 13:22.52 | Danker | To make my debian box to route igmp packets for my local network |
| 13:23.03 | Eulex | bankrun, make sure you have an up-to-date xserver and an up-to-date version of your window manager... but now that you've upgraded, you should have that. |
| 13:23.07 | wols | iptables I guess |
| 13:23.24 | bankrun | upgrading now |
| 13:23.25 | Eulex | bankrun, in any case, getting the binary nvidia driver is unfortunately worth it anyway... |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 13:23.32 | dpkg | pours a litre of Gulden Drak for abchirk |
| 13:23.34 | Bushmills | notig: here's a quick comparative run down: http://www.maradns.org/advocacy.html |
| 13:23.39 | Danker | I think I need mrouted |
| 13:23.45 | Danker | But there is no such thing on debian |
| 13:23.45 | bankrun | Eulex: its very much worth it ? |
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| 13:24.15 | bankrun | i thought i had to install the kernel source for the nvidia drivers |
| 13:24.38 | bankrun | but im using some precompiled kernel |
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| 13:24.51 | ac3of7 | does dsl or featherlinux use normal debian packages or do they have special ones? |
| 13:24.51 | bankrun | so then i have to install a new kernel first |
| 13:25.02 | Eulex | you will have to build the kernel module, yes |
| 13:25.04 | Eulex | but it's easy |
| 13:25.05 | wols | ac3of7: ask dsl not debian |
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| 13:25.18 | ac3of7 | thanks wols |
| 13:25.21 | Eulex | module-assistant helps you |
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| 13:27.05 | Eulex | !tell bankrun about nvidia_post_etch |
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| 13:29.35 | bankrun | it looks like a oneliner |
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| 13:30.58 | bankrun | now i have the screens menu in the center of the screen and im waiting for it to go away but it doesnt |
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| 13:32.54 | bankrun | scrolling lines are relaxing |
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| 13:34.59 | kora | hi, has any1 an idea how to realize the following: i have a debian machine which is running in ad-hoc mode, when someone connects to the box and opens a browser he should see a web-page that is running on a local webserver (lightp). can this be done for example with dnsmasq? |
| 13:35.25 | bankrun | is mousemovement done by the kernel ? |
| 13:35.28 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 13:35.29 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 13:37.20 | bankrun | you can install the default page in the browser |
| 13:37.24 | bankrun | set* |
| 13:37.40 | bankrun | its an option called 'set as homepage' or something |
| 13:37.53 | abrotman | or use a proxy ? |
| 13:38.13 | bankrun | hes loggin into the machine |
| 13:38.29 | bankrun | or not |
| 13:39.04 | bankrun | i think he means someone opens a browser and then connects to the machine |
| 13:39.09 | bankrun | hes asking it wrong |
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| 13:41.05 | bankrun | so the machine kora is talking about runs a webserver |
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| 13:42.05 | bankrun | i like those cryptic questions |
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| 13:43.25 | kora | following scenario i think itll make it clear |
| 13:43.29 | kora | sry was afk |
| 13:43.55 | kora | theres a embedded evice in a window of a shop wich runs a lightp webserver with a static page for the shop,... when a customer connects with a smart device and opens a browser he should see the page without giving in some special name in the address bar |
| 13:43.59 | bankrun | im running a webserver on a local lan and when someone opens a browser anywhere they have to see my homepage from that webserver |
| 13:44.24 | kora | they are connected per wifi to this embedded device in ad-hoc mode |
| 13:45.12 | bankrun | ahaha |
| 13:45.33 | bankrun | your in a shop |
| 13:45.49 | bankrun | and youve setup some webserver in the display window |
| 13:46.43 | bankrun | why dont you get some really huge screen |
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| 13:47.41 | kora | bankrun: its a research project and only the first step, theres more to come |
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| 13:48.20 | helo | if i have my boot/root on a raid1 device, and i grub-install hd0; grub-install hd1, will i be able to boot when either drive fails? |
| 13:48.56 | bankrun | then you have to run some script on the connection i think |
| 13:49.10 | bankrun | you have to register when someone connects |
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| 13:50.27 | bankrun | if i had experience with wiki i would tell you |
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| 13:52.00 | bankrun | kora: abrotman knows |
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| 13:52.09 | abrotman | eh? |
| 13:52.11 | bankrun | kora: ask him |
| 13:52.22 | kora | bankrun: thanks |
| 13:52.59 | wols | helo: no |
| 13:53.54 | helo | wols: is there an easy way i can boot off of either drive in the event of the other's failure? |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | i already gave my answer |
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| 13:55.04 | kora | abrotman: sry, but i dont really understand in how a proxy can help me realizing this |
| 13:55.31 | abrotman | kora: oh .. i don't think you can do that |
| 13:56.15 | abrotman | kora: not set their home page anyways .. you can redirect through an http proxy to 'intercept' any request and send them to your page first i guess |
| 13:56.22 | Bushmills | kora, your machine has a static ip address? |
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| 13:56.39 | helo | what is the point of raid1 redundancy if your box will be unable to boot if either of the drives fails? |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 13:57.14 | kora | Bushmills: yes, the ad-hoc point on which the peaple connect has a static and the participants get a dynamic one |
| 13:57.36 | Bushmills | kora, so connecting to your machine should redirect to a different machine? |
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| 13:58.50 | kora | Bushmills: no, you connect to my machine,... if you open a browser you should see a page wich runs on my lightp without them having to enter a address |
| 13:59.22 | wols | kora: not possible. the "without them having to enter a address" |
| 13:59.32 | wols | kora: the web is a pull medium only |
| 13:59.44 | petemc | im sure there browser has a homepage set |
| 13:59.53 | wols | mine doesn't |
| 13:59.55 | petemc | kora: a captive portal ? |
| 13:59.58 | wols | and that's still a pull |
| 14:00.03 | petemc | wols: you're far from normal |
| 14:00.11 | petemc | ;) |
| 14:00.20 | Bushmills | i don't think i understand. you want to redirect any request (to outside) to a pae on your local webserver? |
| 14:00.24 | petemc | s/there/their/ |
| 14:00.26 | Bushmills | page |
| 14:00.30 | wols | kora: will the users ever be allowed to the "outside" internet? or always only to your server? |
| 14:01.01 | bankrun | if someone connect to the internet via a pc that is owned by kora he must be able to divert any webrequests to his own webserver |
| 14:01.06 | wols | petemc: about:blank far from "Not normal" |
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| 14:01.15 | abrotman | kora: how would you handle "about:blank" ? |
| 14:01.20 | wols | wildcard DNS |
| 14:01.20 | kora | wols: a normal webbrowser tries to load the homepage when u open it, which sends out a name resolution, all i want to do is since that request comes to my own dns server redirect it to my page |
| 14:01.27 | abrotman | about:blank isn't going to load dns |
| 14:01.51 | wols | kora: both IE and ffox have a frigging button to easily set it "about:blank" |
| 14:02.00 | kora | wols: thats just what i mean, can dnsmasq for example do something like map * to localhost:80 |
| 14:02.06 | Bushmills | kora, enter the ip address of the server with the page you want to show as homepage of the web browser |
| 14:02.23 | wols | dnsmasq is a caching DNS only. you need a DNS server with wildcard DNS support |
| 14:02.23 | bankrun | then WHO is gonna browse the internet and look at 'about:blank' ? |
| 14:02.27 | wols | remember what netsol did |
| 14:02.29 | bankrun | just tell me |
| 14:02.42 | bankrun | who is gonna watch about:blank ? |
| 14:02.46 | bankrun | haha |
| 14:02.57 | bankrun | so thats a bullshit option |
| 14:02.59 | kora | wols: do you know a dns server with wildcard support? |
| 14:03.04 | wols | no one. but simply "opening a browser" will NOT send the user to any website |
| 14:03.17 | wols | bind9 for example. good luck |
| 14:03.44 | wols | bankrun: btw, I often use the browser without internet. html FILES |
| 14:03.52 | petemc | stop being such a pedant |
| 14:04.04 | wols | that is not pedantic |
| 14:04.17 | liable | s/pedant/grumpy old prick/ |
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| 14:04.36 | liable | runs |
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| 14:05.02 | bankrun | well lets assume kora serves ordinary people |
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| 14:05.23 | bankrun | and the homers dont use about:blank that much |
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| 14:05.30 | jrosental | Hello.. i want to create an iso image of my current Debian Server, i read about a tool called "remastersys" but as far as i understand it only works on Ubuntu systems.. anyone knows a similar tool or a way to achieve what i need? thanks. |
| 14:05.33 | liable | homers? |
| 14:05.35 | kora | right now its for a research project, so we dont cop with special cases like about:blank |
| 14:05.59 | Bushmills | bankrun: i nmy experience, that's one of the first things one turns off when installing a new browser. |
| 14:06.06 | liable | !ghost |
| 14:06.09 | bankrun | yeah the homers get bored real soon when they have loaded about:blank in their browsers then they ll ask you if someting is broken |
| 14:06.10 | liable | meh |
| 14:06.31 | liable | whats the gnu ghost thong. i forget.. |
| 14:07.09 | Havis | !pulseaudio |
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| 14:08.19 | liable | noone knows i guess.. |
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| 14:08.35 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 14:08.35 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:09.03 | Havis | can anyone answer, why does pulseaudio uses 24%CPU on 3GHz P4? |
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| 14:09.21 | liable | no |
| 14:09.23 | Bushmills | !silence dpkg |
| 14:09.30 | Bushmills | hm |
| 14:09.49 | liable | why would you do that? |
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| 14:10.04 | Bushmills | to prevent abuse :P |
| 14:10.08 | liable | cut off your tongue in spite of your face? |
| 14:10.25 | bankrun | kora: then use a proxy |
| 14:11.21 | kora | bankrun: k |
| 14:11.35 | wols | mandatory transparent proxy |
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| 14:11.49 | bankrun | you can shut down any other access to other ips wiht a firewall |
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| 14:12.38 | bankrun | and probably a proxy is easier than dns |
| 14:15.12 | helo | wols: http://www.texsoft.it/index.php?c=hardware&m=hw.storage.grubraid1&l=it |
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| 14:16.15 | helo | i guess i was a little off... need to tell grub to use root hd0, then install on (hd0,0), then switch to root hd1, then install on (hd1,0) |
| 14:16.34 | digitaloktay | http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm |
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| 14:16.40 | Suprano | what was the fastest way to do a screenshot of the currently vissible screen? |
| 14:16.45 | Suprano | i always forget the cmd |
| 14:16.46 | wols | you will need two totally different grub installs |
| 14:16.46 | Suprano | Oo |
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| 14:17.38 | lnostdal | Suprano, import |
| 14:18.06 | Suprano | hmm there was an other that did jgs/pngs |
| 14:18.19 | epoxy|w3rk | just to clerify, i installed nagios3 and the config files are "contacts_nagios2.cfg" in /etc/nagios3/conf.d. |
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| 14:18.41 | Suprano | oh |
| 14:18.45 | Suprano | it does jpg |
| 14:18.48 | Suprano | my bad |
| 14:19.19 | Suprano | perfect |
| 14:19.22 | Suprano | thank you |
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| 14:19.42 | Kobaz | how do i just download a package without it checking versions or installing it |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | wget |
| 14:19.54 | rmop | hi all |
| 14:19.59 | Kobaz | i do, apt-get install -d package.... but it complains it's already the latest version |
| 14:20.09 | Deezire | -f |
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| 14:20.14 | Kobaz | tried that too |
| 14:20.19 | helo | wols: are those instructions bunk? |
| 14:20.39 | liable | Kobaz: if its installed, its in your cache |
| 14:20.54 | Kobaz | liable: not if the cache has been purged |
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| 14:21.08 | liable | Kobaz: --reinstall |
| 14:21.12 | Kobaz | nifty |
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| 14:22.04 | darren__ | I'm attempting to install xen on an etch system. I had to boot the install CD with noapic when installing, otherwise my machine continually rebooted. When the xen image is installed a reboot causes the same continual reboot cycle. The grub boot line still has noapic in there for the xen kernel. Which log file should I be checking for information on this problem? |
| 14:22.42 | bankrun | nvidia-kernel-source has no installattion candidate |
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| 14:23.55 | Eulex | !tell bankrun abour non-free |
| 14:24.08 | Eulex | <dpkg> No, eulex, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 14:24.10 | Eulex | eh? |
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| 14:24.13 | Eulex | !non-free |
| 14:24.13 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:24.14 | bankrun | !tell bankrun about non-free |
| 14:24.40 | bankrun | !tell bankrun about non-free sources |
| 14:24.59 | Eulex | !selftell |
| 14:25.00 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 14:26.35 | bankrun | dpkg: shutup |
| 14:26.35 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
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| 14:27.27 | bankrun | thats a wellbehaving properly trained bot |
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| 14:28.39 | bankrun | see i said i had to get a new kernel |
| 14:29.42 | helo | can 'the bot' be modified to not respond to such queries? |
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| 14:32.14 | liable | helo: what do you mean? |
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| 14:33.57 | bankrun | very nice |
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| 14:34.19 | bankrun | the new 2.6.25 kernel is very nice |
| 14:34.37 | liable | gives you a woody? |
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| 14:34.54 | bankrun | it gives me options at boot |
| 14:35.04 | bankrun | a zillions video modes to choose from |
| 14:35.10 | liable | i guess thats almost as good.. |
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| 14:35.38 | bankrun | its so nice i rebooted again |
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| 14:36.29 | dav | how can i identify if i have a bindshell running? |
| 14:36.29 | hipodilski | can you recommend me some linux which installs on 512 mb flash memory |
| 14:36.39 | hipodilski | and maybe some tutorial to follow in order to install it |
| 14:36.49 | bankrun | yeah get the assembly version |
| 14:36.57 | bankrun | its 700Kb |
| 14:37.08 | bankrun | or 1.4Mb |
| 14:37.10 | liable | hipodilski: um, yes, debian does, and the debian installer guide at debian.org will help |
| 14:37.10 | hipodilski | bankrun: assembly version |
| 14:37.12 | bankrun | i have to check |
| 14:37.23 | hipodilski | bankrun: ? |
| 14:37.34 | bankrun | so ? |
| 14:37.47 | liable | yeah. wtf is the assmebly version? |
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| 14:38.09 | bankrun | its fast as lightning and exteremely small |
| 14:38.18 | liable | hipodilski: base install is about 350MB iirc |
| 14:38.31 | liable | hipodilski: for debian |
| 14:38.52 | bankrun | a-Linux |
| 14:39.03 | liable | !lart bankrun |
| 14:39.04 | dpkg | keeps mailing bankrun free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 14:39.05 | bankrun | its the smallest fastest linux available |
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| 14:39.14 | abrotman | hipodilski: ask ##linux or check lwn.net for a list of distros |
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| 14:39.43 | bankrun | im not surprised cluetard liable doesnt know it |
| 14:39.51 | abrotman | bankrun: stop |
| 14:40.25 | bankrun | stop WHAT abrotman |
| 14:41.04 | bankrun | be more specific and i MAY give it a tought |
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| 14:43.16 | anne_frank | herrfuhrer, don't kill innocent girls |
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| 14:44.06 | dbmoodb | btw there are several ubuntu references on our wiki pages ... anyone have any ideas on what the policy is on that ? |
| 14:44.10 | dbmoodb | (wiki.debian.org) |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | make a wiki page to ask ? |
| 14:44.35 | liable | herrfuhrer: why do you call me a cluetard? |
| 14:44.38 | dbmoodb | doh |
| 14:45.09 | dbmoodb | but wiki.debian.org is an official thing yeah ? |
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| 14:46.41 | abrotman | dbmoodb: make a wiki page to ask .. |
| 14:46.56 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact |
| 14:47.25 | liable | its an official debian wiki, but i guess the usuall wiki disclaimers stand |
| 14:47.54 | herrfuhrer | lol @ wiki |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | herrfuhrer: change your nick |
| 14:48.29 | herrfuhrer | abrotman: fuck off asshole |
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| 14:48.36 | dbmoodb | !swear |
| 14:48.36 | dpkg | dbmoodb you are the biggest, most stupid asshole i have laid my shiny metal eyes on |
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| 14:49.34 | dbmoodb | abrotman: perhaps you know more about the wiki policy in regard to articles talking about ubuntu - i understand it is being allowed in the community good ? |
| 14:49.41 | dbmoodb | is this how i should view it |
| 14:49.43 | liable | i didnt think his nick was offensive, but he certainly turned out to be |
| 14:50.05 | abrotman | dbmoodb: ask the people that run it .. i'm not one of them .. i'd imagine that if the ubuntu references are correct and somehow related to debian .. they're fine |
| 14:50.06 | dbmoodb | liable: neither it wasn't hail anything so i thought it was fine |
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| 14:52.46 | liable | !moo |
| 14:52.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:53.07 | dbmoodb | liable: that is my job |
| 14:53.19 | liable | to fart? |
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| 14:54.40 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 14:54.40 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 14:54.54 | liable | runs |
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| 14:56.52 | Rockj | Anyone using trac from lenny here? Is it just me, or doesnt it read global config file from /etc/trac/trac.ini anylonger ? |
| 14:57.05 | notig | does anyone know the command to test if alsa has been set up? i remember i used a command to play the "noise" sound |
| 14:57.17 | liable | !soundcheck |
| 14:57.18 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 14:57.18 | cahoot | speaker-test |
| 14:57.45 | cahoot | speaker-test -t wav for more beauty |
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| 14:58.02 | notig | :) |
| 14:58.09 | liable | what, theres a more buetifull sound than the kernel? |
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| 14:58.13 | mbroeker | wow that's cool: the kernel remix oss version :) |
| 14:58.31 | liable | man my spelling sucks even worse than usual |
| 14:58.41 | cahoot | sux? |
| 14:58.54 | liable | yeah, lol? |
| 14:59.42 | Rockj | lovley kernel music with white noise.. |
| 14:59.54 | notig | !alsa |
| 14:59.54 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, or <alsa firmware> |
| 15:00.27 | cahoot | notig: a recent kernel and alsa-utils should suffice |
| 15:01.03 | cahoot | notig: unles it's a hda-intel thingie - then things can more complicated |
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| 15:02.16 | notig | cahoot: yeah, just troubleshooting, it detected the card fine, just not getting sound :( added my user to audio groups |
| 15:02.40 | cahoot | notig: alsa-utils installed? |
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| 15:02.54 | notig | yep |
| 15:03.09 | dbmoodb | why is it that i can freeze etch by simply iwlist scanning ? |
| 15:03.21 | cahoot | notig: /proc/asound/cards includes only one card - and the correct one? |
| 15:03.39 | ezguy | anyone use/familar with super grub? |
| 15:03.47 | abrotman | grub2 ? |
| 15:04.20 | ezguy | sgd |
| 15:04.33 | helo | can i load a nic driver from a cd on etch's netinst? |
| 15:04.39 | liable | dbmoodb: and your wireless driver is in the etch kernel? |
| 15:04.41 | stew | dbmoodb: becuase you are using a buggy wireless driver? |
| 15:04.45 | helo | rather, from a thumb drive |
| 15:04.48 | liable | helo: no |
| 15:05.24 | dbmoodb | stew and liable probably |
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| 15:05.39 | twisted`_ | ey, I'm tryin to compile pam_mysql-0.7RC1 from the tarball, but I get errors about md5, I have the libs, but it won't see them, any ideas? |
| 15:05.40 | dbmoodb | bcm43xx and rt73 .... |
| 15:06.08 | liable | dbmoodb: dont blame etch, blame the driver you compiled |
| 15:06.52 | dbmoodb | well i can't blame the bcm43xx one .. i can blame the firmware - i m not blaming etch .... i just wonder if there is any "full" proof wifi for linux ... given that a rt73 should be pretty close to it |
| 15:07.20 | liable | dbmoodb: wireless has come quite some way since etch was released. |
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| 15:08.08 | dbmoodb | twisted try getting libssl-dev ? |
| 15:08.33 | liable | dbmoodb: see linuxwireless.org .. lenny should be much better |
| 15:08.57 | dbmoodb | lenny is worse with my bcm card --- strange udev rules it gets renamed eth2 for some reason |
| 15:08.58 | liable | thechef: why are you compiling pam? |
| 15:09.19 | liable | dbmoodb: thats trivial to fix. /msg dpkg x25 |
| 15:09.21 | wols | dbmoodb: that's not strange but normal |
| 15:09.30 | liable | dbmoodb: err, z25 |
| 15:09.31 | karlb | Can anyone point me to some info on how to get a sane python2.5 install on etch? A straight aptitude install results in a python2.5 which seems to be ignored by pycentral. |
| 15:10.02 | wols | karlb: you can't. python2.4 is the default |
| 15:10.17 | wols | back when etch came out not all python packages ran under 2.5 |
| 15:10.19 | twisted`_ | dbmoodb: already the newest version |
| 15:10.21 | dbmoodb | liable: sorry what ? |
| 15:10.23 | wols | karlb: maybe try a backport |
| 15:10.34 | wols | !tell twisted`_ about errors |
| 15:10.41 | liable | dbmoodb: what didnt you understand? |
| 15:10.59 | wols | dbmoodb: msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:11.01 | dbmoodb | i don't follow there is a udev rule that makes my wifi not recognised by networking manager ... i call that a configuration bug |
| 15:11.39 | dbmoodb | oh and to make it not rename it just clear that file where my mac is i suppose ? |
| 15:11.43 | karlb | wols: A backport of which package? python-central or python2.5? |
| 15:11.48 | liable | dbmoodb: its still a valid networking device. its just you that has a problem with it not being the right name |
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| 15:11.55 | wols | karlb: python 2.5 of course |
| 15:12.01 | dbmoodb | liable: i am aware of that |
| 15:12.25 | twisted`_ | I pasted the result of ./configure here: http://pastebin.ca/1037791 |
| 15:12.29 | liable | dbmoodb: so .. /msg dpkg z25 .. and fix it |
| 15:13.05 | dbmoodb | liable: why should i upgrade to testing ? |
| 15:13.28 | wols | twisted`_: that's no answer to my question |
| 15:13.41 | liable | dbmoodb: i didnt say you should, i just said that lenny will have much better wireless support |
| 15:14.00 | twisted`_ | wols: that's what I did, and that's where I get the problem that it won't use md5, and I got no idea ;) |
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| 15:14.39 | karlb | wols: Thanks. |
| 15:14.55 | dbmoodb | liable: given that lenny isn't due for a long time to come i'm not going to upgrade this computer i have lenny on a few others already |
| 15:15.07 | wols | twisted`_: openssl*-dev |
| 15:15.24 | dbmoodb | when is etch and a half coming out ? |
| 15:15.39 | wols | damn, not even :( |
| 15:15.39 | wols | dbmoodb: WIR |
| 15:15.45 | dbmoodb | wir ? |
| 15:15.56 | wols | ask dpkg about it |
| 15:16.14 | dbmoodb | KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface., dbmoodb ? |
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| 15:16.21 | dbmoodb | what now ? |
| 15:16.22 | anddam | hello |
| 15:16.31 | wols | how did you ask? |
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| 15:16.37 | dbmoodb | i put etch and a half |
| 15:16.43 | wols | ask about WIR |
| 15:16.45 | liable | dbmoodb: i dont understand your point with referencing lenny seeing as you must be compiling drivers anyway |
| 15:17.06 | dbmoodb | eh on lenny i wouldn't be .... |
| 15:17.17 | twisted`_ | wols: already got that one... (libssl-dev) and the other results I get from apt-cache search openssl are not related to header files (apache and stuff) |
| 15:17.42 | liable | dbmoodb: what exactly is your question then? |
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| 15:17.54 | dbmoodb | how can i get reliable wifi |
| 15:18.06 | dbmoodb | my openwrt is perfect ... |
| 15:18.19 | EiNZTEiN | anyone know why I can't add "multiverse" to my lenny repositories? :( |
| 15:18.19 | wols | dbmoodb: with a newer kernel that has proper drivers for your POS wlan |
| 15:18.23 | EiNZTEiN | I need to get java6 |
| 15:18.24 | EiNZTEiN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.30 | EiNZTEiN | any ideas? |
| 15:18.34 | dbmoodb | EiNZTEiN: this is not ubuntu |
| 15:18.36 | wols | EiNZTEiN: there is no multiverse in debian. this is not ubuntu |
| 15:18.38 | EiNZTEiN | hah :D |
| 15:18.44 | wols | !tell EiNZTEiN about install java |
| 15:18.46 | EiNZTEiN | ok... I'm not a ubuntu guy |
| 15:18.49 | dbmoodb | EiNZTEiN: but we have java -- see java-common |
| 15:18.53 | wols | EiNZTEiN: don't lie |
| 15:18.55 | EiNZTEiN | jdk6? |
| 15:19.01 | liable | dbmoodb: if you use etch and you have a card that has bad drivers in etch kernel, then you have to upgrade the kernel. |
| 15:19.09 | anddam | I have a computer with two NICs, I want this computer to route net B towards internet through net A. I want this computer to offer samba and other services to net B but to not offer anything in net A. Is this an iptables thing or is there some other config file I could specify it in? |
| 15:19.10 | twisted`_ | and md5.h which it is looking for is in the dir I pass along while running .configure, so what is going wrong, I got no idea :( |
| 15:19.10 | abrotman | EiNZTEiN: are you running debian or ubuntu ? |
| 15:19.12 | EiNZTEiN | wols, not lying... I've been googling this... I'm actually a gentoo person ;) |
| 15:19.16 | EiNZTEiN | abrotman, debian |
| 15:19.16 | dbmoodb | well liable i compiled these -- just modules really |
| 15:19.18 | EiNZTEiN | lenny |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | EiNZTEiN: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the line |
| 15:19.26 | EiNZTEiN | I dislike ubuntu ^^, |
| 15:19.31 | twisted`_ | and the package for pam mysql from debian itself, somehow won't work with md5 either :s |
| 15:19.35 | abrotman | god .. you're so a gentoo user |
| 15:19.53 | wols | abrotman: how did you figure out? |
| 15:19.57 | liable | dbmoodb: most cards have gone to the new mac80211 stack. which means a new kernel.. |
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| 15:20.05 | rahul | obviously google has better information about debian than the debian web site |
| 15:20.08 | abrotman | wols: extraneous characters that mean nothing |
| 15:20.08 | rahul | facepalms |
| 15:20.20 | dbmoodb | oh yes i follow that part ---- mac80211 not as good for wep breaking tho |
| 15:20.30 | dbmoodb | (atm) |
| 15:20.37 | EiNZTEiN | abrotman, ii libc6 / U C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 15:20.46 | abrotman | EiNZTEiN: the version .. i know the description |
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| 15:20.52 | EiNZTEiN | abrotman, hey... I happen to love gentoo... It's just a little different :) |
| 15:20.56 | EiNZTEiN | abrotman, that's all I got man |
| 15:21.00 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 15:21.13 | EiNZTEiN | not kidding |
| 15:21.18 | anddam | or is there a more appropriate channel for my question? the box is running lenny tho' |
| 15:21.22 | wols | EiNZTEiN: this is NOT debian then. HAND |
| 15:21.24 | dbmoodb | EiNZTEiN: gentoo is a whole of fun, just wait till the screensaver stops oh wait ? |
| 15:21.33 | EiNZTEiN | dbmoodb, hehe |
| 15:21.36 | EiNZTEiN | wols, it is :S |
| 15:21.39 | abrotman | EiNZTEiN: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Installed |
| 15:21.39 | EiNZTEiN | broken? |
| 15:21.40 | dbmoodb | that isn't a screen saver that is the computer compiling when i want to do work |
| 15:21.54 | wols | !tell anddam about ipmasq |
| 15:22.06 | EiNZTEiN | 2.7-10 |
| 15:22.18 | EiNZTEiN | abrotman, got board... the guys at the gate are waiting for me :p |
| 15:22.25 | abrotman | bored ? |
| 15:22.29 | EiNZTEiN | I'll stop by once I get to O'Hare |
| 15:22.29 | EiNZTEiN | :p |
| 15:22.31 | EiNZTEiN | hehe |
| 15:22.36 | EiNZTEiN | got to board* |
| 15:22.41 | EiNZTEiN | airplane :p |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | EiNZTEiN: you need non-free sourc ... bah |
| 15:23.17 | dbmoodb | who here thinks he was drunk |
| 15:23.50 | Bushmills | at least confused |
| 15:23.56 | dbmoodb | Bushmills: both ? |
| 15:24.03 | abrotman | bah .. i'd rather drink at the detroit airport :) |
| 15:24.26 | xerophyte | i have setup a sarge xen instance using xen-create .. when i want to install apt-get openssh-server its giving me these erros openssh-server: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is to be installed does anybody know how can i fix it? |
| 15:24.29 | dbmoodb | ok so for a debian release --- to become stable what happens and has lenny had any packages frozen yet.... |
| 15:24.31 | Bushmills | "only googled for" and then wondering why it didn't work on a distrib he claims to not use? |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | dbmoodb: huh ? |
| 15:24.52 | dbmoodb | sarge isn't supported anymore is it ? |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | dbmoodb: read debian-devel-announce |
| 15:24.54 | abrotman | no |
| 15:24.55 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 15:25.06 | dbmoodb | xerophyte: why are you using sarge still |
| 15:25.12 | abrotman | dbmoodb: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html |
| 15:25.19 | dbmoodb | thank you |
| 15:25.28 | anddam | wols: no, wait, I have already installed ipmasq and it is working |
| 15:25.31 | xerophyte | dbmoodb: i have some production boxes in sarge i can not switch them because of the custom applications running there |
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| 15:25.53 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 15:25.54 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html |
| 15:25.54 | xerophyte | anyone know how can i fix that issue |
| 15:25.54 | anddam | wols: the point would be not accept connnection (http, samba) from net A while accepting them from B |
| 15:26.54 | Bushmills | xerophyte: pull a copy of the stand-by servers, modify the copy, when working, export t stand bys, switch, then upgrade the main servers |
| 15:26.55 | wols | anddam: so don't listen on those interface A with those daemons |
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| 15:27.18 | magyar_ | anyone using grub2 and are they able to boot other OSs with it? |
| 15:27.43 | wols | grub2 still has a chainloader right? |
| 15:27.45 | anddam | wols: do you suggest a per-service configuration or is there a system-wide (hopefully easier) way? |
| 15:27.57 | xerophyte | Bushmills: i can not upgrade the production system its been schudelu i need to build test box with sarge to test something ;( |
| 15:28.00 | anddam | wols: like hosts.deny or so |
| 15:28.10 | anddam | wols: I'd like an advice about this |
| 15:28.11 | Bushmills | xerophyte: then read again what i said |
| 15:28.12 | wols | anddam: you can set a iptable rule which is the bad solution, the per daemon config is the good one |
| 15:28.29 | wols | !tell xerophyte about sarge |
| 15:28.44 | blubberdiblub | anddam: system wide way would be to use firewalling (iptables) rules. hosts.deny is only for programs that are wrapped by tcpwrapper, afaik |
| 15:28.45 | wols | anddam: best solution is doing btoh |
| 15:28.46 | xerophyte | Bushmills: hmmm |
| 15:28.52 | wols | anddam: both |
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| 15:29.20 | magyar_ | wols, good question, from what info i have, it will chainload only if the OSs are on the same drive |
| 15:30.21 | anddam | blubberdiblub: do programs have to explicitly use tcpwrapper in order to have ACL or is it transparent? |
| 15:30.55 | blubberdiblub | anddam: it's not transparent. do not use the hosts.deny/hosts.allow framework if you can avoid it |
| 15:31.01 | anddam | blubberdiblub: I mean I just have installed lighttpd and smbd from lenny, I don't know if they'll honor deny.hosts |
| 15:31.02 | anddam | ok |
| 15:31.08 | anddam | thanks |
| 15:31.27 | anddam | so I have to check what services I have installed and configure them to only answer on specific interface |
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| 15:31.56 | wols | anddam: as I told you,do both |
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| 15:32.11 | anddam | wols: why both? |
| 15:32.31 | blubberdiblub | better safe than sorry |
| 15:32.42 | anddam | haha |
| 15:32.44 | dbmoodb | btw there seems to be a problem with lenny and centrio clocks or graphics memory use (at least for me).... when system memory gets high the computer slows right down and takes time to come back--- restarting the user session restores the speed... |
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| 15:33.07 | anddam | this is not critical, just shared internet with homemates |
| 15:33.26 | anddam | anyway I got a clear answer thanks |
| 15:33.30 | dbmoodb | anddam: so what is hosts.allow protecting ? |
| 15:33.49 | dbmoodb | just be sure your not putting out samba stuff if you don't want too i guess |
| 15:33.53 | blubberdiblub | anddam: long answer: if you set up a new service which you haven't properly configured to listen on a specific interface only yet, it's better to have your firewalling rules as safety net. |
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| 15:35.13 | anddam | dbmoodb: I don't know what is it protecting, I think nothing if programs aren't using tcpwrapper as blubberdiblub said |
| 15:35.38 | blubberdiblub | anddam: i was referring to [17:32:11] <anddam> wols: why both? |
| 15:35.41 | dbmoodb | ok just be sure of what you are running then at any given time |
| 15:36.07 | anddam | this worl needs too much awareness ... |
| 15:36.10 | anddam | world |
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| 15:36.45 | dbmoodb | anddam: i recommend you follow wols advice and do both |
| 15:36.54 | dbmoodb | lest you forget |
| 15:36.55 | webPragmatis1 | Is there instructions on how to install testing packages on etch? |
| 15:37.08 | dbmoodb | webPragmatis1: don't ..... |
| 15:37.17 | webPragmatis1 | well i need to install a > version of PHP |
| 15:37.18 | dbmoodb | there are backports .... |
| 15:37.24 | webPragmatis1 | and there isn't a php backprot |
| 15:37.25 | webPragmatis1 | port* |
| 15:37.28 | Dewi | !tell webPragmatis1 about backports |
| 15:37.31 | dbmoodb | compile one your self |
| 15:37.49 | Dewi | webPragmatis1: what php do you need? |
| 15:38.00 | webPragmatis1 | >5.2.5 |
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| 15:38.40 | dbmoodb | he could chroot it no ? |
| 15:39.31 | Dewi | !easy backports |
| 15:39.40 | Dewi | !easy etch backports |
| 15:39.40 | Dewi | !easy sarge backports |
| 15:39.46 | Dewi | !easy-backports |
| 15:39.47 | Dewi | !easy-backport |
| 15:39.49 | webPragmatis1 | eh? |
| 15:39.51 | dbmoodb | dewi ? |
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| 15:39.57 | Dewi | gah, Ican't remember the factoid |
| 15:40.01 | twisted`_ | so besides installing libssl there's not much I could do about this problem huh? |
| 15:40.04 | dbmoodb | !etch backports |
| 15:40.16 | blubberdiblub | !tell Dewi -about easy sid backport |
| 15:40.44 | Dewi | !simple sid backport |
| 15:40.44 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 15:40.51 | Dewi | webPragmatis1: that one |
| 15:41.06 | dbmoodb | how come the bts says there are more rc bugs in etch than lenny ? |
| 15:41.15 | Dewi | webPragmatis1: that's the basic steps to build from a src package |
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| 15:42.10 | junix|work | is anyone using the ssh from testing?? |
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| 15:42.31 | dbmoodb | which junix|work |
| 15:42.41 | junix|work | openssh-server |
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| 15:42.51 | junix|work | i need the function of jail in ssh |
| 15:42.59 | junix|work | for remote users |
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| 15:43.09 | Dewi | junix|work: ? |
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| 15:44.25 | junix|work | in the latest version of ssh, you can put your users in jail, just like in some of the FTP servers |
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| 15:44.37 | asg | junix|work: you could also use pam_chroot |
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| 15:44.46 | junix|work | asg?? |
| 15:44.57 | dbmoodb | junix|work: i thought you could do that since forever ...... chroot like asg said |
| 15:44.58 | junix|work | does that work?? |
| 15:45.05 | asg | junix|work: yes |
| 15:45.16 | junix|work | you canb't chroot ssh natively |
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| 15:45.38 | Dewi | junix|work: you can force them to run a command, is that enough? |
| 15:45.45 | Dewi | junix|work: I don't know if that's truly secure or not |
| 15:45.50 | junix|work | like with vsftpd i can chroot/jail my users so they can't see anyone else's home dir but their own |
| 15:46.01 | thechef | I want to install acrobat reader 7 |
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| 15:46.08 | thechef | but i can only find version 8 |
| 15:46.19 | Dewi | thechef: go to the FTP |
| 15:46.19 | dbmoodb | thechef: that runs on linux ? |
| 15:46.41 | HopsNBarley | hi gang - is there a package size limit? I'm seeing this: $ dpkg-deb --info my.deb |
| 15:46.41 | HopsNBarley | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.41 | HopsNBarley | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.49 | HopsNBarley | the package is 6.6G. |
| 15:46.50 | Dewi | thechef: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/ |
| 15:47.00 | Dewi | thechef: I always get it there anyway so I can avoid their downlaod managers and crap |
| 15:47.04 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 15:47.04 | dpkg | [mentors] the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 15:47.05 | asg | junix|work: yes, that's what pam_chroot does |
| 15:47.11 | junix|work | really |
| 15:47.12 | rahul | hmm, why is acroread no longer in debian? |
| 15:47.22 | junix|work | do you have instructions on how to set that up? |
| 15:47.24 | asg | !info libpam-chroot |
| 15:47.30 | liable | because it sucks goats balls? |
| 15:47.31 | epsilon | there are tons of other pdf readers... |
| 15:47.44 | rahul | epsilon: which ones can handle forms correctly? |
| 15:47.53 | dpkg | libpam-chroot: (Chroot Pluggable Authentication Module for PAM), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 15:47.54 | epsilon | dunno try them out |
| 15:47.57 | rahul | "correctly" meaning you can actually fill out forms |
| 15:47.58 | _CASE_ | foxitreader over a VM |
| 15:48.05 | thechef | Dewi: thanks |
| 15:48.19 | liable | acroread lets you write to pdf's? |
| 15:48.24 | rahul | liable: yes |
| 15:48.26 | asg | junix|work: there's instructions in /usr/share/doc/libpam-chroot of course |
| 15:48.32 | liable | never seen a pdf i could write to |
| 15:48.37 | helo | wow... what cds should i download to do an offline install far enough to build a network driver? |
| 15:48.38 | rahul | liable: I've seen lots |
| 15:48.49 | helo | 21 cds!? |
| 15:48.51 | Dewi | liable: you've never seen one with 3d either, yet it supports it |
| 15:48.52 | rahul | liable: tax forms especially |
| 15:49.00 | Dewi | liable: why do you think it takes 5 mins to load? |
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| 15:49.15 | rahul | oh well. I guess I'll have to use windows to do my taxes |
| 15:49.22 | liable | Dewi: dunno, i just presumed it used emacs as the OS |
| 15:49.23 | epsilon | helo: I'd take the 1st DVD if you have bandwith |
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| 15:49.46 | epsilon | then grab the debs of the metapackage build-essential |
| 15:50.03 | Dewi | helo: first CD should be fine, I reckon |
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| 15:50.17 | dbmoodb | rahul: taxes ? |
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| 15:50.22 | Stavros | hello |
| 15:50.32 | Stavros | how can i set 2.5 as my default python version? |
| 15:50.35 | rahul | dbmoodb: the thing that complements death. |
| 15:50.41 | dbmoodb | no |
| 15:50.45 | rahul | yes |
| 15:50.51 | dbmoodb | i don't pay them |
| 15:50.53 | dbmoodb | $0 |
| 15:51.01 | liable | crack dealer? |
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| 15:51.06 | dbmoodb | hell i think i am owed money |
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| 15:51.15 | rahul | you profit on taxes? |
| 15:51.37 | wols | Stavros: etch? |
| 15:51.45 | Stavros | wols: yes |
| 15:51.49 | wols | Stavros: can't |
| 15:51.50 | rahul | that only happens to people who work basic jobs and have kids in america |
| 15:51.51 | dbmoodb | well i live in australia it is pay as you go -- automatically taken out of my income at a higher rate so... yeah |
| 15:51.55 | Stavros | also how can i install packages that are fewer than 6 yeras old? :( |
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| 15:52.13 | rahul | dbmoodb: uh, duh. so you do pay taxes. I'm not sure why you're paid a salary, tho. |
| 15:52.18 | wols | Stavros: etch packages aren't 6 years old |
| 15:52.18 | liable | !irritate Stavros |
| 15:52.18 | dpkg | Stavros: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound kk |
| 15:52.31 | dbmoodb | well no i don't |
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| 15:52.37 | dbmoodb | i get the money back |
| 15:52.40 | Stavros | wols: well, they're at least two |
| 15:52.41 | woden1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:52.47 | HopsNBarley | anybody? Max size of a .deb??? |
| 15:52.48 | liable | meh, why couldn't the bot give me the 'debina is so old, lol' answer |
| 15:52.59 | rahul | dbmoodb: you have an interesting definition for "the" |
| 15:53.22 | dbmoodb | and companies profit on taxes all the time -=---capital gains tax |
| 15:53.24 | rahul | maybe australian is different from american |
| 15:53.25 | Stavros | so |
| 15:53.32 | Stavros | how do i get new packages? |
| 15:53.37 | liable | woden1: your router is a debian box? |
| 15:53.39 | rahul | dbmoodb: uh, wow, you're a moron |
| 15:53.49 | dbmoodb | no rahul they do |
| 15:53.50 | rahul | dbmoodb: capital gains tax has nothing to do with companies |
| 15:54.02 | dbmoodb | in which country ? |
| 15:54.05 | rahul | dbmoodb: it's what an investor pays on the profit they make from investing in the company |
| 15:54.11 | rahul | dbmoodb: any country I've heard of. |
| 15:54.21 | dbmoodb | so what does a company do ? |
| 15:54.25 | liable | indeed in .au also |
| 15:54.33 | rahul | dbmoodb: what kind of question is that? |
| 15:54.38 | rahul | they run a business |
| 15:54.40 | stew | and off-topic question |
| 15:54.41 | dbmoodb | what tax do they pay |
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| 15:54.48 | stew | dbmoodb: rahul: take this elsewhere |
| 15:54.56 | dbmoodb | meh can't be bothered |
| 15:55.10 | stew | rahul: don't call people morons |
| 15:55.14 | rahul | stew: he is one |
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| 15:55.22 | dbmoodb | let me google |
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| 15:55.58 | twisted`_ | for those interested, I made it work by doing: export C_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include/openssl/ |
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| 15:56.30 | woden1 | liable: No it's just a belkin wireless router. When I login to debian (GNOME), the network applet runs automatically and asks me for my wireless (WPA2) password. Then, after I provide that, the keyring application starts up and asks me for my keyring password. My question is: Is this correct? It seems wrong that I have to provide 2 passwords just to connect to my wireless router. |
| 15:56.47 | liable | stew: i think you take your values just a little too far in imposing what you think is the appropriate conduct in #debian. shouldn't you go to the oftc channel or something? |
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| 15:57.35 | stew | liable: no |
| 15:58.13 | jstephenson | Is there a way to view 'why' a package is broken - mplayer in this case? |
| 15:58.22 | liable | i respectfully disagree |
| 15:58.26 | wols | broken how? |
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| 15:59.11 | stew | liable: take it up with dondelelcaro or ElectricElf |
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| 15:59.36 | liable | woden1: hmm, network-manager is a beast i dont have a great deal of experience with |
| 15:59.47 | dbmoodb | just one thing off topic before i leave --- according to goolge capital gains tax is payable by companies. i trust google over you :) night all |
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| 16:00.10 | liable | stew: thats a bit of a cop out. we know where that will go. i would rather talk to you about it. |
| 16:00.11 | jstephenson | wols: No idea. If I try to install it I'll get: 'The following packages are BROKEN: mplayer'; |
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| 16:00.28 | helo | where can i find out what kernel versions i can compile the atl2 ethernet driver for? |
| 16:00.29 | wols | jstephenson: apt-get install -f |
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| 16:00.57 | wols | helo: 2.6.22 or so. run a lenny kernel and it will be there |
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| 16:01.14 | helo | it's not there, atl1 is though |
| 16:01.20 | prisoner1 | Is there any big difference between netinstall 4.0r1 and 4.0r3 |
| 16:01.29 | helo | ahh, maybe after i install from dvd and upgrade it will be... |
| 16:01.35 | wols | helo: what version? |
| 16:01.50 | helo | just the testing netinst iso |
| 16:01.58 | wols | I asked about version! |
| 16:02.26 | SPF | Labels in grub ( menu.lst ). How can I make sure they stay after kernel updates? |
| 16:02.45 | helo | i don't know what version |
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| 16:02.50 | woden1 | Does anyone else here use a keyring or have knowledge of how it's supposed to work? |
| 16:03.07 | wols | what "labels"? |
| 16:03.26 | wols | helo: uname -a |
| 16:03.30 | SPF | kernel ..... root=LABEL=/ |
| 16:03.33 | helo | the problem is that this is going to be a production machine, so i'd rather not install lenny... i would prefer to compile the atl2 driver for etch |
| 16:03.50 | wols | SPF: don't let the system use update-grub then |
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| 16:03.57 | wols | debian unfortunately doesn't really support labels |
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| 16:04.01 | liable | wont the atl2 driver compile on the .18 kernel? |
| 16:04.13 | wols | !tell helo about kmuto |
| 16:04.21 | jstephenson | wols: Didn't help unfortunately. |
| 16:04.24 | wols | liable: unlikely since it's not in there |
| 16:04.31 | SPF | wols: debian also removes my vga=794 :( |
| 16:04.46 | wols | jstephenson: show us the errors then |
| 16:04.53 | liable | wols: but the source is available, though i have no idea whether it compiles on that old a kernel. |
| 16:04.55 | wols | SPF: I just told you |
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| 16:05.10 | wols | atl2 is part of the default kernel iirc |
| 16:05.26 | liable | no its not |
| 16:05.51 | jstephenson | wols: http://pastie.org/207944 |
| 16:06.07 | liable | hopefully it gets there soon, but its still extra for 25 |
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| 16:06.27 | wols | jstephenson: DUH! it clears says what's wrong. please start to read for a change |
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| 16:06.58 | wols | liable: so the atl driver there is for L1 and there is no atl2 one? |
| 16:07.17 | liable | wols: atl2 is in l-m-e |
| 16:07.20 | woden1 | liable: Where can I go to get support on network-manager and keyring? |
| 16:07.34 | wols | l-m-e? |
| 16:07.46 | liable | linux-modules-extra |
| 16:07.48 | johndoevodka | are there any good text file comparers available under debian? |
| 16:08.08 | liable | wols: probably a gnome channel |
| 16:08.14 | liable | woden1: ^^^ |
| 16:08.15 | dryrot | anyone have a snmpd.conf for debian etch that i can borry ? |
| 16:08.49 | dryrot | ^^ borrow |
| 16:09.13 | johndoevodka | like diff but better |
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| 16:10.13 | helo | johndoevodka: xxdiff? |
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| 16:11.58 | pjv | i use this command rsync --recursive --size-only --delete --progress /mnt/win_d /media/mybook/ but it doesn't delete |
| 16:12.03 | pjv | any ideas? |
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| 16:12.50 | dryrot | did you try -vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv |
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| 16:13.50 | format_c | Hey does somebody know why xargs fails in aptitude when I exec the following command: |
| 16:13.53 | format_c | aptitude search xfce4 | awk '{print $2;}' | egrep ^xfce4 | xargs aptitude install |
| 16:13.55 | format_c | ? |
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| 16:15.28 | format_c | ah got it fixed |
| 16:15.36 | dryrot | aptitude search xfce4 | awk '{print $2;}' | egrep ^xfce4 | xargs aptitude install '{}' \; |
| 16:15.38 | format_c | I added the -y switch to the last command |
| 16:15.46 | format_c | oh thats new for me |
| 16:15.58 | format_c | I only know the {} from find |
| 16:15.58 | woden1 | liable: I asked on a gnome channel and someone said it works in fedora 8....that's why I came here because it's not working in debian |
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| 16:16.32 | format_c | dryrot, nice to know. Thanks |
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| 16:16.56 | Pinchiukas | Anybody please give me a cd image that would boot on a prep machine. Any distro will do. |
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| 16:17.15 | epsilon | "prep mashine"? |
| 16:17.31 | liable | woden1: hmm, bummer. best advice is to ask on debian-users mailing list. unfortunately, you generally dont find many people who use NM here and have good debug experiance with it. |
| 16:17.38 | thechef | I used the save copy function of acrobat and when I open the odf with another program it asks me for a password, but i haven't set a password |
| 16:17.52 | thechef | i tried to open it with kpdf |
| 16:18.17 | dryrot | Pinchiukas: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:18.36 | helo | wols: so... without atl2 being in .25 (the latest kmuto image), i need to install etch from dvd and build the driver myself? |
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| 16:18.43 | Pinchiukas | dryrot: that's a x86 image, I need PReP ppc |
| 16:19.11 | dryrot | Pinchiukas: look on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 16:19.50 | helo | or is there some way i can get etch installer to pull in l-m-e during install? |
| 16:19.53 | woden1 | liable: why aren't there many people who use NM? It's installed by default in debian... |
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| 16:20.43 | liable | woden1: if you install gnome, you are presuming that the majority in this channel a) have wireless b) use gnome :P |
| 16:21.15 | liable | helo: the eeepc image has atl2 |
| 16:21.51 | wols | woden1: it's not |
| 16:22.08 | liable | helo: if your box can install from usb stick, it should work. otherwise if you need a mini iso I can host it in 10 minutes |
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| 16:22.11 | microtux_ | hi |
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| 16:22.23 | cahoot | woden1: you have entered the wpa-key in NM's config? |
| 16:22.50 | woden1 | cahoot: yes. it's wpa2 actually, but yes. |
| 16:23.03 | microtux_ | i set up my own debian repository on my LAN, but couldn't install debian from it ; any help ? |
| 16:23.05 | helo | liable: the eeepc image is for lenny though, right? |
| 16:23.13 | g00se | iirc you can config proftpd outside init.d as an ordinary binary. That right? |
| 16:23.21 | liable | helo: unfortunately, yes |
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| 16:23.39 | helo | bah :/ |
| 16:23.41 | microtux_ | abrotman, i set up my own debian repository on my LAN, but couldn't install debian from it ; any help ? |
| 16:24.13 | liable | helo: though in expert mode you can still install stable, but then you need to build the module after |
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| 16:24.20 | Tobi-pc | http://216.245.195.34/~anoref/?id=15300 have a look plz!!! |
| 16:24.31 | Tobi-pc | http://216.245.195.34/~anoref/?id=15300 have a look plz!!! |
| 16:24.36 | helo | does the crazy man dance |
| 16:24.47 | wols | !ops ban the spammer Tobi-pc please |
| 16:24.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: ban the spammer Tobi-pc please |
| 16:25.01 | dutchfish | oper plz ben Tobi-pc |
| 16:25.06 | RichiH | arr |
| 16:25.11 | dutchfish | s/ben/ban |
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| 16:25.27 | liable | funny, ops will ban ban people for saying moron, but miss the spammers.. |
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| 16:25.47 | RichiH | liable: moron! |
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| 16:26.06 | liable | RichiH: i lub you. |
| 16:26.09 | n3kl | What is the debian way to make slapd listen on ldaps ports? |
| 16:26.16 | RichiH | liable: you forgot an e |
| 16:26.18 | microtux_ | i set up my own debian repository on my LAN, but couldn't install debian from it ; any help please ? |
| 16:26.22 | RichiH | it's lubE |
| 16:26.23 | liable | hah! |
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| 16:26.42 | helo | liable: i can install etch from the lenny installer... and it will install the .18 kernel? |
| 16:26.54 | wols | helo: you cannot |
| 16:27.00 | wols | lenny installer installs lenny |
| 16:27.05 | liable | helo: yes, but you need to use expert |
| 16:27.09 | liable | wols: wrong |
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| 16:27.28 | liable | unless i am sadly mistaken |
| 16:27.45 | liable | tries quickly |
| 16:28.01 | liable | i just happen to have a box handy for this |
| 16:28.04 | RichiH | .oO(moron) |
| 16:28.15 | liable | !lart RichiH |
| 16:28.15 | dpkg | frags RichiH with his BFG9000 |
| 16:28.24 | RichiH | pft |
| 16:28.40 | RichiH | liable: your penis is tiny and inadequate |
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| 16:28.46 | RichiH | now i need to get back to fixing stuff |
| 16:28.56 | RichiH | i _hate_ the days after being away on holiday |
| 16:29.05 | liable | RichiH: i know, but i dont care as long as i orgasm :) |
| 16:29.05 | RichiH | way too much to do |
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| 16:29.13 | microtux_ | wols , abrotman , i set up my own debian repository on my LAN, but couldn't install debian from it ; any help please ? |
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| 16:29.39 | RichiH | liable: and with hot air coming out, there is no risk of becoming a daddy! |
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| 16:30.04 | liable | RichiH: i'll have you know that I am *very* fertile! |
| 16:30.07 | RichiH | but then, pineapples rarely become pregnant |
| 16:30.44 | dutchfish | microtux_: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 16:30.57 | liable | RichiH: have you been speaking to my ex or something? |
| 16:31.07 | liable | sounds familiar.. |
| 16:31.18 | RichiH | i _am_ your ex |
| 16:31.21 | RichiH | didn't you know? |
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| 16:31.28 | hellues | hey |
| 16:31.30 | liable | eek! |
| 16:31.36 | hellues | do you advise a torrent program |
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| 16:32.26 | RichiH | http://bash.org/?15641 |
| 16:32.29 | dutchfish | hands hellues the search award |
| 16:32.32 | hellues | bitcomet |
| 16:32.42 | hellues | i cannot find bitcomet |
| 16:32.55 | hellues | my friend advise me about bitcomet |
| 16:32.58 | microtux_ | dutchfish, the repository is set up correctly, but when i tried to install with the Net_Install CD, it asked me to choose a repository |
| 16:33.00 | hellues | but i cannot find |
| 16:33.01 | dutchfish | hellues: apt-cache search torrent |
| 16:33.12 | hellues | i install bittorent |
| 16:33.14 | hellues | eheueu |
| 16:33.22 | wols | helo: bitcomet is a windows program... |
| 16:33.32 | microtux_ | dutchfish, so i tried to choose my own repository and it failed |
| 16:33.58 | dutchfish | microtux_: choose manual in the list of repos and add your lans ip where your repo is located |
| 16:34.21 | microtux_ | dutchfish, done |
| 16:34.28 | dutchfish | microtux_: is its anonymous ftp or http? |
| 16:34.35 | liable | helo: yes, you can install stable with that image. but you wont have a working ethernet after install. in fact i dunno what will happen as theres a preseed file for eeepc stuff in there. but it should actually install. |
| 16:34.38 | microtux_ | dutchfish, anonymous http |
| 16:34.44 | dutchfish | microtux_: huh? |
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| 16:34.50 | Ipods4free | do you need ipods shuffle nano touch for free? then visit http://216.245.195.34/~anoref/?id=14798 |
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| 16:35.07 | stew | RichiH: ^^ |
| 16:35.08 | microtux_ | dutchfish, http ;; :P |
| 16:35.31 | RichiH | stew: klined |
| 16:35.44 | dutchfish | microtux_: and you can manually browse it and does yourip/debian exists? and has porper mirror format? |
| 16:35.56 | dutchfish | s/porper/proper |
| 16:36.20 | microtux_ | dutchfish, yes, |
| 16:36.44 | dutchfish | microtux_: whats the error messages? |
| 16:36.48 | microtux_ | dutchfish, i trid to install a package from another box using the same repository |
| 16:36.59 | microtux_ | dutchfish, here is the sources.list |
| 16:37.04 | microtux_ | dutchfish, deb http://10.206.102.120/apt etch main contrib |
| 16:37.13 | microtux_ | dutchfish, and it was OK |
| 16:37.27 | dutchfish | microtux_: not correct |
| 16:37.30 | microtux_ | dutchfish, but when i tried a new installation the error was |
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| 16:37.53 | microtux_ | dutchfish, could not Release file |
| 16:38.01 | microtux_ | dutchfish, could not find Release file |
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| 16:38.35 | dutchfish | microtux_: it must be something like deb http://123.234.456.1/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 16:38.50 | dutchfish | microtux_: or etch if you prefer that |
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| 16:39.30 | dutchfish | microtux_: and your repos root is in /debian |
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| 16:41.50 | microtux_ | dutchfish, my repos root is /apt ; not /debian ; so i guess the sources.list is correct |
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| 16:42.05 | microtux_ | dutchfish, or may be the debian installer require /debian |
| 16:42.13 | dutchfish | microtux_: didnt work for me (choosing other name) |
| 16:42.23 | microtux_ | dutchfish, but it asked me for my root repo ; and i said apt |
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| 16:42.39 | woden1 | What are some common things that get added to the keyring? |
| 16:42.49 | woden1 | (besides network manager) |
| 16:42.51 | dutchfish | microtux_: then i would triple check if your repo is intact |
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| 16:43.20 | dutchfish | microtux_: check logfile for more info |
| 16:43.31 | microtux_ | dutchfish, i think it is intact, because i successfully installed a package from it |
| 16:43.42 | microtux_ | dutchfish, ok; i'll check the log |
| 16:43.47 | dav | if i restart iptables, do the rules get flushed? |
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| 16:46.08 | ma3x | what should the filesystem be for dvdr disc (video)?linux/unix+windows or udf? |
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| 16:46.21 | ma3x | or custom (rockridge extensions) |
| 16:46.33 | dutchfish | dav unless you save/load them by script, yes |
| 16:46.49 | Samuca | somebody worked with debian-installer? |
| 16:47.00 | dav | dutchfish: i mean /etc/init.d/iptables restart |
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| 16:47.07 | microtux_ | dutchfish, where is the log file ?? |
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| 16:47.27 | liable | Samuca: ask a question |
| 16:47.36 | dutchfish | dav http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
| 16:47.58 | simonrvn | lemme guess, Packages.gz "is corrupt"? |
| 16:48.18 | dutchfish | microtux_: where your anonftpsync saves it, look in its script |
| 16:48.42 | format_c | What do you think is a good and fancy irc client? |
| 16:48.50 | simonrvn | dutchfish: there's other kinds of fish you know ;p |
| 16:48.53 | simonrvn | format_c: irssi |
| 16:48.53 | Samuca | liable: I need create a CD with some packages and no ask root password, etc |
| 16:48.58 | liable | !best irc client |
| 16:48.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 16:49.02 | dutchfish | simonrvn: oops, yes |
| 16:49.03 | format_c | Is there maybe a flamewar for my question ? |
| 16:49.20 | liable | format_c: absolutley! |
| 16:49.32 | format_c | OK Ill search for it in the web |
| 16:49.38 | format_c | to get more info |
| 16:49.55 | dondelelcaro | there's only one right answer, and it's irssi. |
| 16:50.05 | woden1 | why is irssi better than xchat? |
| 16:50.06 | dutchfish | !apt-mirror |
| 16:50.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net |
| 16:50.09 | liable | Samuca: thats certainly outside the scope of this channel. |
| 16:50.18 | dondelelcaro | woden1: because it doesn't use X? |
| 16:50.32 | Samuca | liable: do you know someone channel? |
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| 16:50.43 | woden1 | dondelelcaro: Okay, then what is the best irc program that uses X |
| 16:50.50 | dondelelcaro | woden1: it also has more elegant scripting interfaces, better support of multiple servers, is more stable, etc. |
| 16:50.56 | dondelelcaro | woden1: irssi in an X term |
| 16:51.53 | woden1 | let me attempt to restate my question more precisely....what is the best graphical irc program that runs in X? |
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| 16:52.02 | themill | woden1: I use konversation; I like it. |
| 16:52.15 | liable | Samuca: not really, there is #debian-boot, but its not so much for asking that sort of question. you need to follow the docs and work the stuff out. |
| 16:52.33 | dondelelcaro | um... irssi uses glyphs, so I guess it qualifies as graphical... ;-) |
| 16:52.35 | liable | woden1: irssi? :) |
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| 16:52.57 | woden1 | I didn't know that irssi was "graphical" |
| 16:53.01 | sdfg | can somebody tell me how ro flash a thecus n1200 with debian? |
| 16:53.08 | sdfg | a tutorial would be useful |
| 16:53.09 | sdfg | pls |
| 16:53.12 | dondelelcaro | woden1: textual characters are graphics! ;-) |
| 16:53.21 | Samuca | liable: thanks :-) |
| 16:53.25 | format_c | konversation look also fine for graphical purpose |
| 16:53.27 | liable | really, a nice irssi theme with spilt windows and your channels sorted really is nice.. |
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| 16:54.13 | sdfg | heeeeeeeeeelp |
| 16:54.22 | vlad | can somebody help me to install envy in debian r4.03? |
| 16:54.53 | dondelelcaro | sdfg: it's quite unlikely that we'll be able to help you; check with your manufacturer. |
| 16:55.10 | woden1 | Does anyone here use GNOME? And if so, what use do you make of the password keyring? |
| 16:56.05 | format_c | woden1, that would be interesting for me too |
| 16:56.25 | dutchfish | !poll |
| 16:56.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 16:56.54 | liable | wasnt really a poll |
| 16:57.20 | wols | vlad: why can't you use debian drivers? |
| 16:57.24 | liable | was an attempt at getting an answer that a previous question didnt get |
| 16:57.41 | dutchfish | liable: ok, in that case i can quote torvaldts: gnome users are retards (like me) |
| 16:57.43 | vlad | wols is for ati drivers |
| 16:57.52 | wols | so? |
| 16:58.13 | vlad | i tried the ones from ati and it didnt worked, so i read that envy do the work for u |
| 16:58.26 | liable | dutchfish: indeed, and i told him this isnt the best place to ask.. |
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| 16:59.03 | vlad | wols: the thing is im a noob im just learning :( |
| 16:59.31 | wols | vlad: what videocard? |
| 16:59.42 | liable | vlad: google and man pages. make yourself not a noob! :) |
| 16:59.46 | simonrvn | !pole |
| 16:59.54 | simonrvn | damn |
| 16:59.55 | ma3x | what should the filesystem be of the DVD video disc? |
| 17:00.01 | liable | like artic? |
| 17:00.03 | ma3x | udf, linux, linux+windows, custom (rockridge).... ? |
| 17:00.05 | wols | ma3x: udf |
| 17:00.07 | vlad | wols: ati radeon x1550 |
| 17:00.08 | liable | arctic even |
| 17:00.18 | ma3x | wols: will the dvd player play it if its linux+windows? |
| 17:00.30 | wols | ma3x: there are no such filesystems |
| 17:00.44 | ma3x | wols: there are in k3b |
| 17:00.53 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:00.55 | wols | ma3x: there still aren't any such filesystems |
| 17:00.59 | hoxu | root-tail in kde does not properly refresh when I minimize programs over it, any suggestions for fixing this? |
| 17:01.08 | liable | guess it could be a plain fence pole |
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| 17:01.17 | ma3x | wols: if I create 'data disc' with k3b and make new directory 'audio_ts' and 'video_ts' and put contents inside video_ts and burn the disc, will it play on dvd players? |
| 17:01.19 | jelly | ma3x: best to ask the k3b people about their software |
| 17:01.39 | format_c | And how do I switch from split window 1 into the second? |
| 17:01.40 | ma3x | jelly: they won't answer |
| 17:01.41 | format_c | in irssi |
| 17:01.48 | wols | ma3x: you need an ifo file and all kiinds of such stuff |
| 17:01.57 | wols | !tell ma3x about they don't know |
| 17:01.59 | ma3x | wols: i got those files |
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| 17:02.04 | liable | ^n ^p or better is esc# |
| 17:02.15 | wols | ma3x: go to doom9.org and start reading |
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| 17:02.25 | ma3x | wols: but does it matter if you make 'data disc' with audio_ts and video_ts or dvd video disc |
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| 17:03.24 | wols | it can IIRC (booktype) |
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| 17:03.50 | format_c | liable, thanks. esc+<num> is also an option as I see |
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| 17:04.00 | vlad | wols: or can u tell me how to install the debian drivers? |
| 17:04.16 | ma3x | is there a way to verify on the computer if the dvd disc would play on a dvd player? |
| 17:04.18 | wols | !tell vlad about ati |
| 17:04.22 | ma3x | ie if it's compatible with dvd players |
| 17:04.40 | wols | ma3x: no. PCs cannot know the firmware of cnsumer electronics |
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| 17:04.53 | ma3x | oki |
| 17:05.05 | Nigromante | hello world |
| 17:05.09 | liable | Freduard1: thats what i meant with esc# :) |
| 17:05.18 | vlad | !tell vlad about radeon |
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| 17:05.39 | vjoe | hey |
| 17:05.42 | Nigromante | !tell Nigromante about Nvidia |
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| 17:06.33 | vlad | wols: man i tried to install that xorg, and i ended without desktop mode so i had to reinstall |
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| 17:08.15 | wols | !tell vlad about selftell |
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| 17:08.21 | wols | vlad: you also want fglrx |
| 17:09.18 | vlad | wols: so nothing u can do? |
| 17:09.41 | wols | ask envy people with help for it. we doN't support it afaik |
| 17:09.49 | wols | !envy |
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| 17:10.27 | aliumalik | does anyone have an idea how to run Firefox 3 on sid? using iceweasel from experimental does not help... |
| 17:10.32 | liable | i think RichiH has penis envy when he was my gf |
| 17:10.38 | jel | I'm getting "sh: line 0: cd: python-kde4-4.0.2-1: No such file or directory" when running apt-get -b source python-kde4. Any ideas? |
| 17:10.44 | asg | !penixsmite liable |
| 17:11.12 | wols | jel: there is no kde4 in debian, is there? |
| 17:11.14 | asg | well, that's no fun |
| 17:11.15 | wols | !info kde4 |
| 17:11.17 | liable | asg: i guess you lose! |
| 17:11.30 | vlad | there are universe and multiverse repos for debian? |
| 17:11.31 | asg | !penixsmack liable |
| 17:11.46 | themill | !tel jel about kde4 |
| 17:11.49 | liable | !irritate asg |
| 17:11.49 | dpkg | asg: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz !!!! |
| 17:11.54 | jel | wols: there is, but this happens on other packages too. m-a a-i nvidia-kernel gives the same error from 'cd' for instance |
| 17:12.08 | asg | liable: I was hoping not to have to strike you but all the good factoids have been removed |
| 17:12.08 | wols | !info kde4-base |
| 17:12.08 | themill | dpkg: you're stupid |
| 17:12.09 | dpkg | themill: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 17:12.15 | themill | !tell jel about kde4 |
| 17:12.16 | wols | 19:12 <dpkg> Package 'kde4-base' does not exist. |
| 17:12.18 | wols | there isn't |
| 17:12.20 | woden1 | vlad debian doesn't organize it's repositories the same way as ubuntu |
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| 17:12.31 | liable | asg: i think you just lose at mking the bot dance! :) |
| 17:12.31 | jel | themill: this is a debian build issue, not a kde issue |
| 17:12.32 | vlad | :( |
| 17:12.38 | wols | vlad: fglrx is in contrib and non-free |
| 17:12.39 | liable | !penixsmite asg |
| 17:12.42 | dutchfish | !bear asg |
| 17:12.43 | dpkg | watches a angry pandabear scare asg |
| 17:12.48 | liable | wah! |
| 17:12.52 | themill | jel: you should still be asking in #debian-kde as dpkg just told you |
| 17:12.54 | asg | liable: it's penixstrike |
| 17:12.54 | vlad | wols: so what can i do? |
| 17:13.02 | wols | jel: there are no kde4 packages in debian. and no experimental doesn't count |
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| 17:13.09 | wols | vlad: install the driver like I told you |
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| 17:13.15 | jel | themill: even though the problem happens on nvidia-kernel-src? Don't think so. |
| 17:13.16 | asg | dutchfish: s/bear/beer/ |
| 17:13.20 | liable | asg: your wish is my command |
| 17:13.31 | liable | !penixstrike asg |
| 17:13.31 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking asg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:13.31 | themill | jel: please pastebin the entire command and the output |
| 17:13.35 | dutchfish | asg: no, this time a was correct (1 point) |
| 17:13.49 | jel | wols: then don't help, and let someone else discuss it. I'm quite capable of and happy to use experimental |
| 17:13.53 | asg | dutchfish: but not sexual harrassment panda (-2 points) |
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| 17:13.59 | wols | !experimental |
| 17:14.00 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 17:14.01 | aliumalik | !info kde4 |
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| 17:14.05 | vlad | wols: how u tell me? |
| 17:14.16 | wols | jel: read the caps lock stuff |
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| 17:14.34 | jel | wols: I know that. It's got nothing to do with the issue I'm discussing. |
| 17:14.42 | acxty | Hi guys. I have a problem trying to configure a gprs modem using a serial to usb converter. lsusb return this Bus 002 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| 17:14.43 | wols | jel: answer themill |
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| 17:15.07 | Nigromante | when do you think lenny is going to be released, given current state |
| 17:15.08 | jel | wols: I'm doing that, but you keep interrupting :) |
| 17:15.24 | webPragmatis1 | how can I import packages from lenny or sid to etch (when there isn't a backport( |
| 17:15.34 | asg | Nigromante: /msg dpkg lenny pool ; /msg dpkg wir |
| 17:15.34 | wols | acxty: there is a module for that in the debian kernel |
| 17:15.48 | Nigromante | /msg dpkg lenny pool |
| 17:15.50 | wols | !tell webPragmatis1 about ssb |
| 17:16.03 | asg | Nigromante: without the leading space |
| 17:16.18 | acxty | wols, may you tell me that name of it? |
| 17:16.18 | Nigromante | yep :-) copy-paste |
| 17:16.26 | aliumalik | !info iceweasel |
| 17:16.29 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7930 kB, Installed size: 24432 kB |
| 17:16.29 | wols | acxty: locate usb |grep ko |
| 17:16.32 | dav | what does the recv-Q column do in netstat output? |
| 17:16.42 | JyZyXEL | how do you make programs use different NIC to connect the internet? |
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| 17:16.48 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 17:16.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package |
| 17:16.50 | JyZyXEL | they just use the default route |
| 17:17.05 | wols | JyZyXEL: they ALWAYS use default route. that's the point |
| 17:17.11 | liable | thats how it works |
| 17:17.19 | asg | dav: the number of packets in the recv queue |
| 17:17.20 | JyZyXEL | wols could i make a exception? |
| 17:17.27 | JyZyXEL | for certain destinations |
| 17:17.30 | wols | !wayttd JyZyXEL |
| 17:17.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, JyZyXEL? |
| 17:17.41 | asg | dav: you could have also read the manpage |
| 17:17.43 | JyZyXEL | wols lets say my irc client connects to irc.freenode.net |
| 17:17.43 | wols | JyZyXEL: are you multihomed? 2 ISPs? |
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| 17:17.51 | JyZyXEL | wols yea |
| 17:17.58 | dutchfish | !bind |
| 17:17.58 | dpkg | methinks bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 17:18.10 | JyZyXEL | maybe i could route connections to a certain server trought another NIC? |
| 17:18.12 | dav | asg: it doesn't say anything about it |
| 17:18.18 | asg | dav: yes it does |
| 17:18.30 | asg | dav: Recv-Q The count of bytes not copied by the user program connected to this socket. |
| 17:18.46 | dav | asg: sorry i was using my os x manpages, they're different |
| 17:18.57 | asg | dav: then why ask in here, try #freebsd |
| 17:18.59 | dav | asg: what does this effectively mean? |
| 17:19.00 | Nigromante | !RTFM |
| 17:19.00 | dpkg | methinks rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 17:19.04 | khaleel5000 | hello, is there I way I can download this document ? http://opentuition.com/acca/Paper%20F5/F5_Revision_Notes.php |
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| 17:19.15 | dav | asg: it's a linux box but i'm sshing from my mac box |
| 17:19.16 | liable | huh? |
| 17:19.38 | liable | khaleel5000: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 17:20.08 | jel | khaleel5000: it needs flashplayer. Works fine for me in konqueror |
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| 17:20.33 | JyZyXEL | do i need to install bind? |
| 17:20.56 | JyZyXEL | cant i just spesify somekind of route |
| 17:20.58 | khaleel5000 | liable: just asking, i am debian user i didnt know where to ask |
| 17:21.01 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: no, i meant to bind your app to a given nic |
| 17:21.09 | khaleel5000 | jel: yeah but I would like to download it, can I download it? |
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| 17:21.16 | asg | dav: it means that the program is not able to keep up (or has elected not to keep up) with data coming into the socket. |
| 17:21.57 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: or setup a custom routing (failover aproach) |
| 17:21.58 | dav | asg: it denies the traffic? |
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| 17:22.24 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish what |
| 17:23.35 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/377 |
| 17:24.00 | dav | 0.0.0.* means all addresses in the remote addr field in netstat output? |
| 17:24.05 | microtux_ | dutchfish, hi, still remember me ? |
| 17:24.06 | JyZyXEL | hmm looks like something i should read ;) |
| 17:24.12 | asg | dav: no, it's just buffered waiting for the program reading the socket to request the data |
| 17:24.29 | jel | khaleel5000: it seems deliberately designed to prevent that |
| 17:24.32 | dutchfish | microtux_: yes |
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| 17:25.07 | dav | asg: i suspect this is a bindshell, and the recv-q value is not 0. what could it mean practically? |
| 17:25.15 | microtux_ | dutchfish, i think the repo is ok , i made a basic installation , then set up the sources.list ; and i'm able to install packages from the repo |
| 17:25.39 | dutchfish | microtux_: ok |
| 17:25.41 | khaleel5000 | jel: ok, thanks |
| 17:25.47 | asg | dav: that bindshell has crashed, that it's been suspended, that it's badly coded, who knows. You could strace it and see I suppose. |
| 17:26.40 | dutchfish | microtux_: remember, you need still security updates line in apts source list (just a hint) |
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| 17:27.41 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish thats just for static interfaces |
| 17:27.48 | JyZyXEL | i have dynamic DHCP stuff |
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| 17:28.21 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: i dont know for sure if that can be done, but i think so, yes |
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| 17:28.40 | JyZyXEL | i don't wanna load balance |
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| 17:28.50 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna use my other interface for SOME accations |
| 17:29.23 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: then forget this all and config your services per interface |
| 17:29.30 | jel | JyZyXEL: you have two interfaces and just want to send some traffic via a certain interface? |
| 17:29.43 | JyZyXEL | jel yes |
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| 17:30.27 | JyZyXEL | everything other should just go trught the default route as normally |
| 17:30.45 | microtux_ | dutchfish, yes i know, but i need to successfully install debian from local repository, like i install from internet repo |
| 17:31.11 | dutchfish | microtux_: then you need sec. fixes to mirror too |
| 17:31.54 | dutchfish | microtux_: but it all depends on your needs |
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| 17:32.37 | microtux_ | dutchfish, i see, my actual needs are to install successfully debian from local repository |
| 17:32.42 | dutchfish | microtux_: you can even contruct install dvd's from your local mirror |
| 17:33.00 | format_c | What do I wrong when irssi dont connects to two different servers? |
| 17:33.02 | jel | JyZyXEL: you can just add a route for that: route add ... dev eth1 or whatever |
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| 17:33.09 | microtux_ | dutchfish, the error is : the repo does not contain Release file or is unreeachable |
| 17:33.16 | wols | format_c: what do you use to connect? |
| 17:33.33 | microtux_ | dutchfish, i donwloaded install dvd's, then created the repo from them |
| 17:33.36 | liable | format_c: you need to use +connect |
| 17:33.44 | JyZyXEL | jel but i don't know what to put in the route |
| 17:33.48 | liable | format_c: go visit irssi.org |
| 17:34.00 | format_c | wols: want that irssi connects to two servers at startup |
| 17:34.05 | dutchfish | microtux_: it looks for something like http://yourip/debian/dists/Debian4.0r3/Release |
| 17:34.32 | wols | then check your irssi.conf |
| 17:34.39 | format_c | And the channel of the second server should be opened in the upper subwindows |
| 17:34.51 | format_c | wols: thats my problem |
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| 17:34.55 | format_c | I do not know how to configure |
| 17:35.05 | format_c | both servers are autoconnect="yes"; |
| 17:35.07 | microtux_ | dutchfish, i want to share the repo with other persons |
| 17:35.21 | format_c | and all channels I want are autojoin="yes"; |
| 17:35.27 | microtux_ | dutchfish, http://myip/apt/dists/etch/Release |
| 17:35.30 | dutchfish | microtux_: nice |
| 17:35.35 | wols | format_c: http://opentuition.com/acca/Paper%20F5/F5_Revision_Notes.php |
| 17:35.39 | wols | grah |
| 17:35.52 | wols | format_c: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup |
| 17:36.01 | format_c | wols: thanks |
| 17:36.05 | dutchfish | microtux_: should do |
| 17:36.17 | vlad | thx wols |
| 17:36.32 | jel | JyZyXEL: route add 10.0.1.0/24 gw 10.0.0.247 via dev eth1, for instance, if 10.0.1.0/24 is the "special" network that you don't want to use a default route for, and 10.0.0.247 is the router on the out eth1 that goes there. Assuming eth0 carries your default route. |
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| 17:37.14 | jel | JyZyXEL: oh, skip "via"; I'm thinking of something else there. |
| 17:37.27 | dutchfish | microtux_: i have still doubts about that /apt or /debian |
| 17:37.50 | jel | JyZyXEL: but you may need to read up on routing to make sure the rest of your setup will work with it. |
| 17:37.51 | format_c | wols: wow great site |
| 17:38.01 | microtux_ | dutchfish, ok; but how does it worked with a correct sources.list then ? |
| 17:38.07 | JyZyXEL | jel could the special place be a IP-address of a server? |
| 17:38.12 | wols | format_c: it's the irssi developer site... |
| 17:38.33 | dutchfish | microtux_: if properly configured it works excellent. I would not want to miss it anymore |
| 17:38.34 | JyZyXEL | jel and could the router address be the address that ISP gives me with DHCP? |
| 17:38.38 | jel | JyZyXEL: yes, the route can be to a single host as well as a subnet |
| 17:38.46 | wols | JyZyXEL: could be. but not a default route. could also be a whole subnet |
| 17:39.05 | format_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.10 | format_c | up365: s |
| 17:39.11 | format_c | ups |
| 17:39.15 | debian2_6_24_1am | how to display images with links2? |
| 17:39.21 | jel | JyZyXEL: gateway address is the address of the router on YOUR network that can deliver traffic to that destination |
| 17:39.27 | abrotman | links2 -g ? |
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| 17:39.32 | debian2_6_24_1am | ty |
| 17:39.35 | SparFux | I frequently get a deactivated keyboard at console getty after bootup in debian unstable. |
| 17:40.48 | jelly | jel: did you erase the current working directory? |
| 17:40.52 | jel | JyZyXEL: if it's further upstream, so there's only one gateway out of your LAN, then the machines on your lan simply send everything to the gateway router, and IT or something even further up will know where to send it. |
| 17:41.04 | jel | jelly: nope. I even tried manually creating it. |
| 17:41.11 | microtux_ | abrotman, wols, could you help me to set up correctly a debian repo |
| 17:41.18 | jel | jelly: but it's there, and cd still complains. |
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| 17:41.23 | SparFux | After removing a package, how can I purge it, so that config files are being deleted? |
| 17:41.27 | jelly | jel: er, ignore me, I was answering to a line of 30 minutes ago |
| 17:41.34 | chops | SparFux: aptitude purge |
| 17:41.40 | chops | SparFux: Same as before removing a package :-) |
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| 17:42.01 | SparFux | chops: ah, with apt-get --purge remove <package> it doesn't work. |
| 17:42.02 | jel | jelly: 's ok, I'm still looking for an answer to that. Need to post a build output though. |
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| 17:42.11 | mbroeker | aptitude purge (dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{ print $2 }'); |
| 17:42.40 | mbroeker | it works with $(...) ... |
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| 17:42.55 | simonrvn | jel and jelly? bad for tab completion ;p |
| 17:43.08 | SparFux | aptitude wants to delete all my packages! I have to update aptitude database to reflect the settings in apt-get I suppose. How can I do this? |
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| 17:43.19 | asg | simonrvn: but everyone loves jello |
| 17:43.22 | simonrvn | ...unless you're one of them ;) |
| 17:43.32 | themill | SparFux: all? |
| 17:43.39 | jel | <- loves jellyfish :) |
| 17:43.40 | JyZyXEL | yea well i cant get this crap to work |
| 17:43.46 | simonrvn | SparFux: i doubt "all" |
| 17:43.46 | JyZyXEL | im not sure what to put on the gateway |
| 17:43.48 | SparFux | themill: not all, but alot. I remember once I tried aptitude. |
| 17:43.57 | SparFux | simonrvn: about 40 packages. |
| 17:43.57 | simonrvn | "a lot" |
| 17:44.02 | wols | JyZyXEL: no gateway. you already have a gw which is fine |
| 17:44.03 | themill | dpkg: tell SparFux about autoremove |
| 17:44.29 | jel | JyZyXEL: what is your actual setup? |
| 17:44.36 | Nigromante | do you have install recommends enabled ? any advantages of that? |
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| 17:44.59 | Nigromante | tasksel disables recommends |
| 17:45.12 | JyZyXEL | jel two NIC's: another one is connected to a gateway linux nat router and the another NIC is connected straight to ISP and it gets its address with DHCP |
| 17:45.18 | chops | SparFux: Can you pastebin the exact command you're giving aptitude, and the full output it's giving you? |
| 17:45.30 | SparFux | chops: yes. |
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| 17:46.07 | chops | SparFux: You don't need to update aptitude to have apt-get's settings; they operate on the same database more or less (with aptitude dealing with some extra information and having some extra behavior). |
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| 17:46.46 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: i have even 3 default gateways, no problem its al a mather of routing and iptables/ebtables/conntrack |
| 17:46.48 | SparFux | chops: http://www.pastebin.org/40376 |
| 17:46.57 | jel | JyZyXEL: "straight to ISP" means...? |
| 17:47.11 | wols | dutchfish: the default gateway is the one that gets used when no other applies. how can you have 3? |
| 17:47.13 | SparFux | I think I will have to do aptitude install <apckages of the list I want to keep> |
| 17:47.22 | JyZyXEL | jel so there are no routers between atleast in my house |
| 17:47.42 | SparFux | my apt-get does only autoremove when I give the command apt-get autoremove. |
| 17:47.43 | dutchfish | wols: from the clients view i have only one, but thats beside the point here |
| 17:47.56 | JyZyXEL | cable from that NIC goes straight to the modem and i ask for a IP address with DHCP |
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| 17:48.07 | chops | SparFux: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:48.26 | jel | JyZyXEL: OK, and all of the traffic is to go via the ISP, except for traffic to one host? |
| 17:48.43 | SparFux | debian unstable, pretty recent. |
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| 17:49.21 | SparFux | I think I should drop apt-get and start using aptitude. |
| 17:49.22 | JyZyXEL | jel all the traffic should go trought eth0 but traffic to some addresses should go trought eth1 |
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| 17:51.29 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: routing and iptables |
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| 17:52.07 | SparFux | chops: aptitude keep-all did the trick. aptitude seems to just leave my packages alone now and purge kbd :-) |
| 17:52.13 | jel | JyZyXEL: OK, then you will need the ISP's gw address, as obtained from dhcp. Otherwise, it's just like I said originally, then: default route out eth0, and then specific routes to each destination subnet/host along the lines of route add a.b.c.d/m gw da.db.dc.dd dev eth1 |
| 17:52.48 | jel | JyZyXEL: where d[abcd] is the ip for the gw given by dhcp |
| 17:53.08 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 17:53.35 | JyZyXEL | hmm well how could i know whats the gw address of my ISP |
| 17:54.02 | JyZyXEL | is it the address that DHCPOFFER comes from? |
| 17:54.19 | jel | JyZyXEL: oh, wait, sorry... whichever gateway is non-default is the one you need to specify. Not sure if that's via your ISP or via your linux nat box yet. |
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| 17:54.32 | mot_ | how can i "reset" networking in debian? |
| 17:54.34 | jel | JyZyXEL: ip route show will tell you |
| 17:54.39 | mot_ | i had two pci nics in my system and took out one |
| 17:54.54 | mot_ | now when i leave one plugged in and i do ifdown/ifup (dhcp) it won't detect the remaining nic |
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| 17:55.12 | dutchfish | mot_: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:55.19 | mot_ | didn't work |
| 17:55.21 | jel | JyZyXEL: uhh... maybe. If not, the DHCPOFFER address is a good guess. |
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| 17:55.35 | dutchfish | mot_: or you mean reconfigure? |
| 17:55.35 | Sazpaimon_ | does /tmp/ clear itself automatially if its mounted sperately as tmpfs? |
| 17:55.43 | mot_ | aye |
| 17:55.46 | JyZyXEL | it just doesnt seem to work |
| 17:56.05 | replaceafill | hi everybody. is it possible to install lenny and then convert it to etch? |
| 17:56.06 | jel | JyZyXEL: is the ISP the one you want to send the unusual traffic through, or is that going via your linux box? Which is the default route? |
| 17:56.11 | dutchfish | mot_: edit [your favorite editor] /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:56.18 | mot_ | did that too |
| 17:56.23 | JyZyXEL | jel its the ISP i wanna send unusual traffic |
| 17:56.26 | mot_ | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:56.28 | Sazpaimon_ | Im writing some php scripts that will work in /tmp/ for some files and i want to know if i should delete them or if the system will do that for me on its own |
| 17:56.28 | mot_ | :( |
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| 17:56.33 | jel | JyZyXEL: OK, and that's on eth1, right? |
| 17:56.34 | JyZyXEL | trought the NIC that is connected to the ISP |
| 17:56.38 | JyZyXEL | jel right |
| 17:56.42 | jel | k. |
| 17:56.56 | asg | Sazpaimon_: /tmp is only cleared on a reboot. If you need more periodic cleaning, you'll need to use your own methods. |
| 17:56.58 | dutchfish | mot_: ifupdown [your interface] |
| 17:57.10 | mot_ | dutchfish, good sir i've done that too. |
| 17:57.11 | Sazpaimon_ | asg, alright thanks, then I'll just delete the temporary files myself |
| 17:57.14 | mot_ | i'm looking for something more drastic. |
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| 17:57.24 | Sazpaimon_ | asg, just wondering if I can save on some code :) |
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| 17:57.59 | asg | Sazpaimon_: you could write a simple cron job to do it periodically if you didn't want to do it yourself. |
| 17:58.30 | dutchfish | mot_: and your changes dont be picked up? |
| 17:58.32 | Sazpaimon_ | asg, there seems to be some session info from apache there, not sure if it needs that |
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| 17:58.39 | Sazpaimon_ | asg, so I'll just leave it |
| 17:58.46 | mot_ | dutchfish, right |
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| 17:59.27 | asg | Sazpaimon_: if you are using /tmp, I'd suggest creating a subdir in there for your own use and making sure the permissions restrict access to only the process in question. Otherwise, you might introduce race conditions / vulnerabilities, etc. |
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| 17:59.40 | jel | JyZyXEL: the dhcp server should be providing a gateway address when it assigns the IP, so check your logs for anything about that. I don't have DHCP on these machines, so I'm not sure about where you'd find it. If you bring up eth1 as the only interface with dhclient, your default route (from ip route show) should point to the gateway. |
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| 18:00.08 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
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| 18:00.12 | Sazpaimon_ | asg, im going to be working with php's uploaded files, which by default only upload to /tmp/'s root dir |
| 18:00.13 | dutchfish | mot_: did you check netstat -nr |
| 18:00.17 | jel | JyZyXEL: dhclient with verbose options (-v) will probably help |
| 18:00.29 | mot_ | it's empty |
| 18:00.33 | Sazpaimon_ | besides, I'm only going to run ffmpeg on them |
| 18:00.54 | dutchfish | mot_: and ifconfig does show correct values??? |
| 18:01.00 | mot_ | yea |
| 18:01.20 | asg | Sazpaimon_: you can change the location in the php.ini file if you wish |
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| 18:01.40 | dutchfish | mot_: maybe your nic driver modules get hooked up, what nics do you have? |
| 18:01.44 | jel | JyZyXEL: nope, doesn't have a verbose option, but try that anyway. It'll probably tell you what gateway it gets |
| 18:01.52 | mot_ | just some old pci nic |
| 18:02.00 | mot_ | i'll just reinstall :P |
| 18:02.16 | JyZyXEL | jel default via 88.115.32.1 dev eth1 |
| 18:02.18 | dutchfish | mot_: have you tried rbeooting the machine? |
| 18:02.27 | JyZyXEL | thats my gateway |
| 18:02.28 | SparFux | ah, the bootup keyboard problem is caused by /etc/default/console-setup. Some upgrade keeps putting af keyboard layout in there. |
| 18:02.32 | mot_ | yea |
| 18:02.34 | chops | SparFux: Excellent |
| 18:02.35 | dutchfish | mot_: or check dmesg? |
| 18:02.35 | mot_ | i'll just reinstall, no worries |
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| 18:02.57 | JyZyXEL | jel tried routing just one address trought that same gateway and it doesnt work |
| 18:03.01 | SparFux | chops: nope. It's bad. I don't know, why this is happening! |
| 18:03.02 | JyZyXEL | it works if its default tho |
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| 18:03.21 | jel | JyZyXEL: how are you testing if it works? |
| 18:03.50 | JyZyXEL | jel i route a webserver trought another NIC and try get the page |
| 18:04.08 | JyZyXEL | the page displays from what IP-address im coming |
| 18:04.23 | Sazpaimon_ | asg, that might be a good idea. I'll look into my scripts and see if there's any possibility of being exploited |
| 18:04.32 | dutchfish | mot_: can you pastebin dmidecode | grep -A 10 eth |
| 18:04.36 | JyZyXEL | looks like there is no way |
| 18:04.46 | JyZyXEL | you can only use one NIC at the time |
| 18:04.49 | mot_ | dutchfish, don't worry about it man |
| 18:04.49 | Sazpaimon_ | the actual sctipt that messes with files in /tmp/ is actually located outside of apache, and only is run via commendline |
| 18:04.51 | JyZyXEL | and thats the default |
| 18:04.52 | mot_ | i'm just gonna reinstall :) |
| 18:05.02 | dutchfish | mot_: mmm ... ok ... strange |
| 18:05.31 | mot_ | it's just a test machine |
| 18:05.33 | mot_ | it's no big deal |
| 18:06.38 | dutchfish | mot_: i was intrested because i myself had some weird nic issues lately |
| 18:06.58 | dutchfish | mot_: mostly with older 3c9xx types |
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| 18:08.34 | jel | JyZyXEL: no, it's very do-able. Try with "ip route add a.b.c.d/m via ga.gb.gc.gd src w.x.y.z", where w.x.y.z is the ip of eth1. You can confirm what it'll do with ip route show and ip route get a.b.c.d |
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| 18:10.06 | jel | JyZyXEL: you'll probably need to remove any old routes first |
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| 18:10.24 | jel | JyZyXEL: old manually added routes, that is |
| 18:10.46 | xuxes34dfdssa | yes |
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| 18:11.39 | xuxes34dfdssa | hi , is somewhhi sharki |
| 18:12.01 | JyZyXEL | jel sounds like a good plan |
| 18:12.28 | xuxes34dfdssa | hola |
| 18:12.33 | xuxes34dfdssa | hablar un segundo |
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| 18:12.48 | xuxes34dfdssa | tikki |
| 18:13.01 | asg | !es |
| 18:13.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:13.52 | JyZyXEL | jel it WORKS! |
| 18:13.54 | xuxes34dfdssa | cd '/home/iyako/redes' |
| 18:14.17 | jel | JyZyXEL: good stuff. Just in time, as I've gotta go. All the best :) |
| 18:14.33 | JyZyXEL | ;) |
| 18:14.44 | chops | SparFux: Okay, I agree that it would be ideal if aptitude wouldn't do that when you move from apt-get to aptitude. However, now that you have fixed the existing packages (and know to use aptitude in the future), the problem is solved in your case. No? |
| 18:14.52 | JyZyXEL | next step is to try iptable so that ppl won't be able to connect me trought eth1 =D |
| 18:15.02 | JyZyXEL | its atm a nice security hole |
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| 18:18.03 | thechef | How can I convert crlf text files to lf-text files? |
| 18:18.49 | dutchfish | any chance that xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd with dri support will make it into lennt without fglrx-glx and dri support? |
| 18:18.59 | dutchfish | s/kennt/lenny |
| 18:21.28 | fas3r | it's possible to migrate mysql database to oracle ? |
| 18:21.35 | abrotman | ask #mysql and oracle |
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| 18:23.01 | themill | !tell thechef about dos2unix |
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| 18:23.59 | asg | thechef: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 18:23.59 | melch | hey guys how do i make it so i can run the compand modprobe -r ath_pci with out root privlages. |
| 18:24.14 | asg | melch: using sudo |
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| 18:24.54 | abrotman | melch: but why not load it at boot time ? |
| 18:25.02 | amphi | melch: why not put ath_pci in /etc/modules? |
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| 18:25.39 | melch | abrotman, i need it to unload when i go to sleep |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | the acpi scripts run as root i'm pretty sure |
| 18:25.53 | melch | amphi, i need it to uload when i go to sleep |
| 18:26.14 | amphi | why? |
| 18:26.16 | melch | abrotman, the ones in /etc/ath_pci/susspend.d |
| 18:26.32 | melch | amphi, it wakes me up randomly from sleep |
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| 18:27.43 | amphi | melch: eh? your wireless card wakes you up? |
| 18:28.07 | melch | amphi yes. My computer goes to sleep for 12 seconds and then wil wake up |
| 18:28.25 | melch | amphi when i manually remove it. I am able to go to sleep with no problems |
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| 18:29.24 | amphi | melch: you mean 'it', not 'I' ;) |
| 18:29.39 | melch | amphi yes it being the ath_pci module |
| 18:30.00 | amphi | melch: taking down the iface is not enough? |
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| 18:30.31 | melch | amphi what do u mean iface? |
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| 18:30.55 | amphi | melch: interface - ifconfig ath0 down or whatever |
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| 18:31.12 | melch | amphi not enough |
| 18:31.38 | amphi | you have some WoL thing on? |
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| 18:32.02 | asg | or Wake On Yawn in this case |
| 18:32.11 | amphi | heh |
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| 18:32.20 | jbt | I had an dell autochanger on debian etch, and everytime it reboot it changes it's id like /dev/sg0../dev/sg10, any work around to make this permanent? |
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| 18:32.49 | melch | amphi i am using a network manager front ned |
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| 18:34.01 | psilocybin | how to find out FSB (front side bus) speed? |
| 18:34.14 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 18:34.14 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
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| 18:34.20 | psilocybin | i tried dmidecode and lshw, shows mem size and cpu speed, but no FSB |
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| 18:35.07 | psilocybin | i have laptop. |
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| 18:36.03 | psilocybin | dah, i'll google for my laptop serial |
| 18:36.14 | psilocybin | or not serial, but the model name in bottom of it. |
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| 18:39.25 | melch | amphi where should i put a script to run when i suspend to ram? |
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| 18:39.41 | melch | amphi right now it says modprobe -r ath_pci |
| 18:39.58 | beenz | hey |
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| 18:41.10 | lindenle | hi guys got a problem booting a vxworks crate from a debian machine via rsh for the symbol table and I cannot figure it out, the crate keeps getting Permission denied, can i turn up the loggin on the host? |
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| 18:44.40 | amphi | melch: under /etc/acpi is the normal place |
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| 18:46.41 | Sanitoeter | hey, is there a way to support creating any character from the ascii set via Alt+<SomeCombinationOfNumbers> on Linux, like Windoze does? |
| 18:47.27 | twobitwork | is there a utility like strace but which traces disk i/o only? |
| 18:48.12 | chops | twobitwork: strace | egrep 'open|read|write' :-) |
| 18:48.24 | chops | twobitwork: You may also want to look into iotop |
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| 18:50.03 | dalurka | lsof could also be of interest |
| 18:50.10 | dalurka | twobitwork: ! |
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| 18:51.45 | aplsin | anyone know a good MB with non-fake HW-RAID? |
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| 18:53.00 | vlad | hi ppl how can i disable screen saver im trying to install pidgin and getting disable screen saver error |
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| 18:54.00 | abrotman | vlad: how are you trying to install pidgin ? |
| 18:54.08 | abrotman | aplsin: ##hardware |
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| 18:54.21 | vlad | abrotman, with configure |
| 18:54.28 | fas3r | nobody have MCD of radius sql tables ? |
| 18:54.33 | joshwaitzkin | hi, I'm searching for a contributor for my program, it's written in C and is a cd drive utility |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | vlad: then ask them .. if you're using debian .. aptitude install gaim or aptitude install pidgin |
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| 18:54.59 | eth01 | apt-get install pidgin works too |
| 18:55.01 | eth01 | fail |
| 18:55.04 | vlad | abrotman_ with aptitude packet not found |
| 18:55.10 | abrotman | vlad: aptitude install gaim |
| 18:55.14 | abrotman | eth01: in etch it won't |
| 18:55.19 | vlad | ok |
| 18:55.29 | abrotman | vlad: the gaim in etch is ilke pidgin2.0beta1 or something |
| 18:55.42 | vlad | thx abrotman |
| 18:55.48 | abrotman | vlad: if you want a newer pidgin ... /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 18:55.54 | aplsin | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:00.07 | patrick-- | Hey all, im having trouble with my nagios installation. This is what it looks like http://vento.openroot.de/img.jpg and thats the error log: http://phpfi.com/321720 |
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| 19:00.11 | patrick-- | any idea? |
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| 19:01.38 | SparFux | How can I change MOTD in grub? |
| 19:02.10 | NinjaMan | SparFux - what has MOTD got do with grub? |
| 19:02.37 | SparFux | NinjaMan: I need to display some help so that one knows which harddisk's mbr booted and which options are available. |
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| 19:03.25 | NinjaMan | SparFux: as far as I am aware that is not user customisable in grub |
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| 19:03.43 | SparFux | NinjaMan: Damn :-\ |
| 19:03.44 | NinjaMan | SparFux: so you would have to edit source and re-compile |
| 19:03.56 | SparFux | okk. |
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| 19:04.59 | soppman | yo |
| 19:05.12 | soppman | anyone succeded connecting vista ipsec snapin with debian ipsec? |
| 19:05.26 | Bushmills | SparFux: give the grub menu entries descriptive names |
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| 19:05.45 | Bushmills | better than seperate help text - nobody reads those |
| 19:06.28 | SparFux | Bushmills: yes, that's one idea. But I want to store some hints on failures after updates. Like there is /etc/default/console-setup which gets afghanistan keyboard from time to time and how I can change it back when system is booting into "no keyboard" mode. |
| 19:06.30 | stew | SparFux: you could add a custom splashimage to grub |
| 19:06.43 | SparFux | stew: LOL :-) |
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| 19:07.04 | SparFux | stew: too much overhead. Then I better write everything down on a sheet of paper ;-) |
| 19:07.42 | NinjaMan | stew & Bushmills: wow you guys really thinking out of the box - LOl |
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| 19:08.42 | lindenle | can someone help me debug an rsh connection |
| 19:09.05 | SparFux | Yes, cool out-of-the-box :-) |
| 19:09.20 | SparFux | I think it's bad that grub has splash stuff but not a text based motd. |
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| 19:10.07 | deltas6 | Hi |
| 19:10.15 | stew | SparFux: so fix it! |
| 19:10.23 | SparFux | Yep. |
| 19:10.31 | deltas6 | which isos should I download to have a standard installation? |
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| 19:10.37 | deltas6 | or rather, how much? |
| 19:10.56 | stew | deltas6: just CD1 or a netinsta |
| 19:11.05 | stew | err netinst |
| 19:12.32 | deltas6 | thank you |
| 19:12.40 | Bushmills | SparFux: if you can use lilo, it can display text files and bind them to function keys |
| 19:12.44 | SparFux | testing aptitude install. |
| 19:13.14 | SparFux | Bushmills: I used lilo before. But I like grub much better. So I will fix on this text display problem. |
| 19:13.22 | debian2_6_24_1am | how can i send a file to someone over the net |
| 19:13.49 | Bushmills | debian2_6_24_1am: put it on a web/ftp server. send the url |
| 19:13.51 | simonrvn | email? webdav? sftp? netcat? |
| 19:13.58 | simonrvn | http? |
| 19:13.59 | abrotman | AIM file transfer! :) |
| 19:14.10 | simonrvn | !shoot abrotman |
| 19:14.10 | dpkg | blows abrotman away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
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| 19:14.43 | simonrvn | dpkg: badgers? |
| 19:14.43 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
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| 19:17.49 | simonrvn | don't everyone go quiet at once |
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| 19:18.06 | keith4 | we almost had 5 minutes of silence, there, and you had to ruin it |
| 19:18.10 | entaro_ | steven: i lied. iphoto go it's plugin sdk starting from version 7. before that it was all undocumented |
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| 19:18.42 | mot_ | what packages should i install to get ati drivers? |
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| 19:19.07 | entaro_ | steven: so ppl went around, dumped interfaces and played with things, figured out where plugins are. i can't like you to official apple's docs. my bad. |
| 19:19.14 | dondelelcaro | mot_: if you've got the x server installed, they're there by default. |
| 19:19.23 | mot_ | are there better ones? |
| 19:19.35 | simonrvn | keith4: the funny part sometimes is that we'd wait and see how long the silence would last (late at night my time EST5EDT) |
| 19:19.35 | dondelelcaro | mot_: generally not. |
| 19:19.39 | mot_ | i'd like my monitor to support a couple more resolutions. it's a big old crt |
| 19:19.59 | simonrvn | keith4: those were the days |
| 19:20.13 | dondelelcaro | mot_: that usually means that your monitor isn't indicating what resolutions it supports properly; which version of X are you using? |
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| 19:20.30 | keith4 | mot_: you mean fglrx? |
| 19:20.32 | entaro_ | steven: but anyways, location of plugins for 7 is ~/Library/Application Support/iPhoto/Plugins, this folder does not even exist under 6. and if you create it manually and put a plugin there' it's not recognized by iphoto |
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| 19:20.49 | mot_ | dondelelcaro, dunno, using lenny |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | fglrx or ati? |
| 19:21.13 | mot_ | keith4, yea, but the fglrx package points to the default x drivers |
| 19:21.18 | mot_ | i don't know |
| 19:21.24 | mot_ | the default x ati drivers. |
| 19:21.36 | keith4 | i haven't used fglrx in a long time, but I used to use module assistant to install it... is that no longer the case? |
| 19:21.56 | simonrvn | still the case |
| 19:22.10 | mot_ | can i reconfigure x to redetect new video modes? |
| 19:22.28 | keith4 | sure |
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| 19:22.42 | keith4 | "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will ask you what resolutions to include, no? |
| 19:23.01 | keith4 | i don't know if that qualifies as "redetect" |
| 19:23.06 | xlotlu | i think he means hotplugging a monitor |
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| 19:24.15 | mot_ | yea. it's hotplugged |
| 19:24.21 | mot_ | well dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was useless |
| 19:24.28 | mot_ | xorg.conf now displays no video modes/gfx card info |
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| 19:24.33 | mot_ | just general keyboard conf. |
| 19:24.35 | xjkx | if i created a program and licensed it under the GPL, can i make a version 2.0 and publish it proprietary ? just wondering, i am not even a programmer :P |
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| 19:24.48 | dondelelcaro | mot_: it won't ask you; use xrandr to switch modes. |
| 19:24.56 | Bushmills | xjkx: yes |
| 19:25.05 | tralala | xjkx, if you're the only copyright holder, yes |
| 19:25.08 | spreeuw | xjkx: the author can do anything he wants |
| 19:25.26 | xjkx | i just don't remember gpl saying that |
| 19:25.31 | Bushmills | xjkx: but you can't remove the license of the already GPL'ed version |
| 19:25.44 | xjkx | uhmm, thanks. |
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| 19:25.58 | keith4 | mot_: if you don't like what dpkg-reconfigure did to xorg.conf, you can use the backup that it made |
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| 19:25.59 | spreeuw | once shared it's lost (or freed) |
| 19:26.01 | wols | xjkx: yes you can if you own the full ocpyright or have the consent of all copyright holders. 1.0 will stay GPLed of course |
| 19:26.06 | dondelelcaro | well, you can, but you can't revoke it once it's been distributed |
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| 19:26.46 | epsilon | actually you can |
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| 19:27.06 | epsilon | but the copies duering GPL is of cource legal |
| 19:27.31 | Bushmills | also, any possible forks |
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| 19:28.29 | trythis | Where can I remove modules to not be loaded on boot? I have a problem with the misdn module on boot |
| 19:28.39 | dondelelcaro | !blacklist |
| 19:28.39 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 19:28.51 | twobitwork | dalurka: ? |
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| 19:29.09 | dalurka | twobitwork: please read the line before that |
| 19:30.09 | twobitwork | dalurka: ahh... sorry... just saw it in my lastlog :) |
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| 19:30.52 | trythis | hehe, how do I know which version I have installed? |
| 19:31.18 | markybob | !version |
| 19:31.18 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 19:31.43 | trythis | hehe sorry for asking such a question :)...thanks |
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| 19:33.02 | bincgi | hello, just finished installing debian, however i trying to access using root it wont let me in. |
| 19:33.19 | spreeuw | wrong password? |
| 19:33.23 | spreeuw | cpaslock |
| 19:33.24 | bincgi | nope |
| 19:33.28 | Bushmills | "access"? |
| 19:33.29 | bincgi | lol |
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| 19:33.49 | bincgi | i su to user from their i su it works but with ssh doesnt |
| 19:34.03 | themill | bincgi: how are you trying to log in? |
| 19:34.11 | spreeuw | sshd has rootloging disabled then |
| 19:34.11 | bincgi | ssh |
| 19:34.16 | themill | bincgi: ahh... root login over ssh is disabled by default |
| 19:34.17 | spreeuw | login |
| 19:34.22 | bincgi | with ssh doesnt |
| 19:34.27 | stew | themill: it is? |
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| 19:34.45 | bincgi | oh i see.. how do i enable it? |
| 19:34.47 | dalurka | bincgi: you shouldn't log in as root remotly anyway |
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| 19:34.58 | themill | stew: isn't it? |
| 19:35.00 | Bushmills | bincgi: that's on your LAN or via internet? |
| 19:35.06 | bincgi | yse |
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| 19:35.10 | themill | stew: hmmm.... I thought it was. |
| 19:35.17 | dalurka | Bushmills: that shouldn't matter |
| 19:35.28 | dalurka | It's enabled on etch by default |
| 19:35.39 | stew | themill: README.Debian.gz (at least used to) have a whold section on "PermitRoot is enabled, and unless you can come up with an argument not discussed below, it stays that way" |
| 19:35.40 | Bushmills | dalurka: when over internet, i'd recommend *not* to allow root logins |
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| 19:35.48 | bincgi | you said by default is disabled, how do i enable it? |
| 19:35.56 | Bushmills | dalurka: on LAN, it should be ok. so it does matter |
| 19:35.56 | WP-Gast | Hello! Could you please freenode me? |
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| 19:36.06 | Taika-Tempoe | how I can install asp to apache2? |
| 19:36.21 | themill | stew: ahh yeah, that's familiar now. It's too long since I've done a fresh install (and that's normally one of the first things I change...) |
| 19:36.48 | stew | heh, "DO NOT FILE BUG REPORTS SAYING YOU THINK THIS DEFAULT IS INCORRECT!" |
| 19:36.51 | bincgi | on my other server i didnt had this issue. intresting |
| 19:36.53 | tralala | WP-Gast, you've just been freenoded |
| 19:37.02 | bincgi | how do i enable the root access? |
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| 19:37.33 | stew | bincgi: set PermitRootLogin to yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:37.39 | dalurka | Bushmills: It really depends on what kind of lan you have...if it is some kind of small home network then it may be ok but I would still not recomend it... |
| 19:37.42 | bincgi | duh lol |
| 19:37.47 | keith4 | Taika-Tempoe: there are some crazy people who are trying to get mono/asp working with apache... |
| 19:37.51 | bincgi | was thinking it uses something else |
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| 19:38.08 | dalurka | Bushmills: It is pointless to allow ssh for root |
| 19:38.19 | Bushmills | dalurka: tell bincgi |
| 19:38.33 | dalurka | bincgi: I'm telling you |
| 19:38.37 | keith4 | Taika-Tempoe: but you might want to try #apache for something that specific |
| 19:38.41 | simonrvn | hehehe "been freenoded" |
| 19:38.53 | Taika-Tempoe | keith4: ok thanks! |
| 19:39.38 | fas3r | with openssl it's possible to specify expiration date in CA.clt ? |
| 19:39.56 | Bushmills | dalurka: but ... it may add risk (when password auth is enabled) but it isn't pointless. |
| 19:40.15 | trythis | !blacklist sarge |
| 19:40.15 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). |
| 19:40.27 | SeveredC1oss | Whee. |
| 19:40.30 | SeveredC1oss | Oops. wrong window. |
| 19:41.18 | Eulex | uhu, someone still running sarge? |
| 19:41.44 | Bushmills | Eulex: someone, very likely. |
| 19:41.58 | Bushmills | Eulex: i'd even bet on several someones |
| 19:42.06 | dalurka | Bushmills: What I meant...and I may have to rephrase that to highly unnecessary |
| 19:42.14 | Eulex | ...was referring to !blacklist sarge above |
| 19:42.42 | Bushmills | dalurka: consider an apt-get install somepackageneedingupgrade to be run on all servers. |
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| 19:43.07 | Bushmills | dalurka: and you script that to be executed on each server, remotely. |
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| 19:43.09 | bincgi | i need to set the PermitRootLogin it set to YES set it to NO? |
| 19:43.30 | stew | bincgi: its was already set to "yes"? |
| 19:43.35 | dalurka | bincgi: depends if you want to permit it or not |
| 19:43.38 | bincgi | thats correct |
| 19:43.40 | stew | bincgi: then don't touch it |
| 19:43.51 | bincgi | using puttty need to su to root |
| 19:44.34 | stew | bincgi: what version of debian is this? |
| 19:44.41 | bincgi | 4 sir |
| 19:45.01 | debian2_6_24_1am | any solutions for gnome sys monitor and high cpu useage? |
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| 19:46.17 | notig | Hey guys, im trying to play audio cd's using xmms, im mouting the cd rom to /cdrom but im getting an error "mount: wrong fs type" |
| 19:46.36 | notig | im doing "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom" |
| 19:46.41 | Bushmills | notig: you don't mount audio cds to play them |
| 19:46.42 | notig | do i need to apt-get any cd-rom utils? |
| 19:46.54 | notig | bushmils: oh right |
| 19:46.57 | tralala | notig, you can't mount an audio cd |
| 19:47.07 | notig | can i get access to the tracks? |
| 19:47.08 | Eulex | notig, they do not have a file system |
| 19:47.16 | tralala | notig, xmms should have a plugin to play it |
| 19:47.24 | notig | ah right |
| 19:47.25 | notig | thanks |
| 19:47.26 | Bushmills | notig, yes. you can. but that's not needed for playing them |
| 19:47.44 | bincgi | dev/acd0 <-- which one? |
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| 19:48.13 | Bushmills | some file manager provide a virtual file system for audio cds, so the tracks look like normal files |
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| 19:48.47 | bincgi | using putty how do i enable my root access? |
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| 19:49.07 | bincgi | i m looing in sshd_config not sure which one to disable it |
| 19:49.13 | wols | Bushmills: linux does this |
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| 19:49.27 | Bushmills | bincgi: i'd say ssh is preferable. putty a port from a windows program, but the "original" is ssh |
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| 19:50.28 | bincgi | so what can i do? |
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| 19:51.22 | Bushmills | wols: thinking of cdfs? |
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| 19:51.49 | arussel | hi, would anyone knows how to translate "egrep -A n -B m" in solaris ? |
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| 19:53.20 | bincgi | this is really sux i cant su to root so i can do my work |
| 19:53.22 | bincgi | jesus |
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| 19:53.54 | mns | Anyone know how I would create a data cd ? I want to backup some stuff from an external drive onto a cd. |
| 19:54.03 | notig | if a ls /dev/cdrom should i see anything if theres audio tracks on there? |
| 19:54.10 | notig | maybe i have not set my cd-rom up correct |
| 19:54.26 | tralala | mns, with k3b or wodim |
| 19:54.44 | themill | bincgi: I think you should start again from the beginning and describe your problem again. Step by step. |
| 19:54.44 | mns | notig: in my experience you will not see anything if there are audio tracks on it. mp3/ogg etc you will see |
| 19:54.57 | notig | mns: thanks |
| 19:54.59 | mns | tralala: thanks. |
| 19:55.05 | tralala | mns, you're welcome |
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| 19:55.46 | haxality | hi, I was wondering about something I'm encountering with sudo |
| 19:55.59 | haxality | I can use sudo -i and login as root and use all the commands fine |
| 19:56.18 | haxality | but when I "sudo ifconfig, sudo ping", etc it says command not found |
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| 19:56.41 | haxality | I think it has to do with my $path? |
| 19:57.22 | stew | notig: no, you shouldn't be able to view files on a audio cd becuase audio cds don't contain a filesystem. |
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| 19:57.38 | wols | haxality: yes |
| 19:57.51 | notig | stew: ok |
| 19:58.07 | haxality | so, if you don't mind giving me a hand real quick, how might I add something to my $PATH? |
| 19:58.35 | Pryon | claps rapidly |
| 19:59.01 | haxality | well, gee, thanks :P |
| 19:59.17 | wols | stew: what about http://trappist.elis.ugent.be/~mronsse/cdfs/ ? |
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| 19:59.49 | Pryon | haxality: Have you considered editing the file which defines root's path? |
| 19:59.54 | nichos | hi all, im trying to configure my fetchmailrc file, but my username has a \n in it, how can i get the file to treat that as part of the username instead of a NL? i tried \\n |
| 20:00.06 | haxality | Pryon, I was unaware of such a file |
| 20:00.09 | Bushmills | haxality: ubuntu? |
| 20:00.14 | haxality | .... |
| 20:00.20 | haxality | No, Etch, actually |
| 20:00.26 | notig | ah fixed |
| 20:00.28 | haxality | I know how to read #debian |
| 20:00.41 | Bushmills | haxality: you may want to consider to su rather than sudi |
| 20:00.43 | Bushmills | sudo |
| 20:00.49 | vlad | there is a way to install alsa drivers atutomatic? |
| 20:00.55 | tralala | or rather not |
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| 20:01.05 | wols | vlad: they are already installed. with your kernel |
| 20:01.18 | vlad | o |
| 20:01.22 | Bushmills | haxality: was asking because for many ubuntuists sudo seems to be the only way to execute st as root |
| 20:01.25 | haxality | Shouldn't sudo work, though? |
| 20:01.32 | haxality | no, I just like sudo better |
| 20:01.39 | haxality | su is annoying |
| 20:01.40 | jelly-home | haxality: real quick, PATH=/some/dir:$PATH |
| 20:01.49 | haxality | thx jelly-home |
| 20:01.51 | stew | wols: if you think that is relavent, tell notig, i don't understand it |
| 20:01.53 | vlad | wols, do u know why is just sound in one side and spdif connections is not working? |
| 20:02.09 | wols | stew: it's CDFS that shows a redbook CD's tracks as files |
| 20:02.16 | haxality | if I add stuff to my main user's path, is it going to give that user access to the commands, or is it just going to let it "see" them? |
| 20:02.27 | wols | vlad: intel hda? |
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| 20:02.59 | tralala | haxality, have you tried to put the full path in sudoers instead? |
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| 20:03.13 | haxality | tralala, no, I didn't know you could do that! |
| 20:03.19 | haxality | that would solve this problem, seemingly |
| 20:03.32 | stew | wols: this is not necessary for playing audioCDs |
| 20:03.35 | vlad | wols, dont think so its a realtek, how to know exactly which command? |
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| 20:04.01 | a1fa | what would be the best way to remove x-windows and kde from the system |
| 20:04.09 | notig | Yeah my problem was, xmms was looking in /mnt/cdrom for the audio files, but it wasnt created :( school boy error |
| 20:04.12 | a1fa | i removed x-window-system but that didnt work |
| 20:04.23 | tralala | a1fa, aptitude remove kde x-window-system |
| 20:04.26 | a1fa | i want gnome, kde, xserver, gone and purged |
| 20:04.37 | a1fa | tralala : tried that |
| 20:04.40 | a1fa | it didnt work |
| 20:04.47 | stew | a1fa: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg remove x ; /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 20:05.24 | a1fa | y q |
| 20:05.53 | a1fa | thanks |
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| 20:06.54 | trythis | whats the diference between asterisk 1.4 and 1.6 and which is the best version? |
| 20:07.07 | a1fa | stable and development |
| 20:07.55 | haxality | jelly-home, thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for! |
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| 20:08.34 | jelly-home | haxality: you'll likely want to find and read a bash intro of some sort |
| 20:08.44 | jelly-home | lemme see |
| 20:08.46 | jelly-home | !bash intr |
| 20:08.48 | jelly-home | !bash intro |
| 20:08.49 | pkcahier | -!- No results found |
| 20:09.04 | Eulex | pkcahier, uh, turn that off, please |
| 20:09.10 | stew | pkcahier: what are you? |
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| 20:10.17 | stew | !test |
| 20:10.18 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:10.23 | a1fa | :P |
| 20:11.22 | jelly-home | haxality: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide/Introduction |
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| 20:14.56 | fas3r | i have specify days exiration (10 years by default) in openssl.cnf , if i use -days 365 argument with " openssl -X509 -days 365 -inform PEM ... " command it create certificat with 3650 days not 365 .. it's because i need to specify -days in " openssl req -new -key... " too ? |
| 20:15.01 | tj13820_ | do not shoot me for this, but i have an ubuntu question. it is mostly general Debian though. Can you backup a debail install to an install disc, to "Ship to a user"? |
| 20:15.42 | wols | !topicsmite tj13820_ |
| 20:15.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon tj13820_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:16.03 | tj13820_ | wols: it is gneral debian! |
| 20:16.19 | wols | no it is not. now go and ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:16.23 | dondelelcaro | tj13820_: you can with preseeding, but not like you're talking about. |
| 20:16.29 | tj13820_ | wols: i wanted to know if there was a .deb available for this specific use, as #Ubunt is a cluster #### |
| 20:16.34 | jelly-home | tj13820_: you can do anything with software; how hard it is, otoh, is another question |
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| 20:16.56 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: yes, the -days option is for the request. |
| 20:17.12 | dondelelcaro | !sslcert |
| 20:17.12 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; Alternatively, use the make-ssl-cert utility from the ssl-cert package. |
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| 20:17.19 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: see above for the fast way to create them. |
| 20:17.41 | Titan | why do I always get "Clock skew detected." error when I try to compile psybnc |
| 20:17.42 | tj13820_ | dondelelcaro: how so? |
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| 20:17.50 | dondelelcaro | tj13820_: how so what? |
| 20:18.00 | a1fa | Titan : you compiling as root? |
| 20:18.05 | Titan | no |
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| 20:18.25 | tj13820_ | dondelelcaro: how do i do what you say, and backup my O/S into a DVD media or in some way to install |
| 20:18.26 | Titan | do I need to be? I am on shared server making on ssh |
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| 20:18.27 | dondelelcaro | Titan: generally means that files which have already been built are modified after the current time. |
| 20:18.34 | jelly-home | Titan: could be the original timestamps are bad |
| 20:18.51 | Titan | I touch'ed all the files |
| 20:19.16 | jelly-home | Titan: building on an nfs share? |
| 20:19.27 | Titan | I am not sure (noob here) |
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| 20:19.44 | jelly-home | Titan: what does "df .|tail -1" say? |
| 20:19.44 | Titan | its a shared server |
| 20:19.56 | Titan | - 188743680 57163584 131580096 31% /share/storage/02 |
| 20:19.59 | mns | What is the most that one can store on a CD ? |
| 20:20.33 | jelly-home | Titan: that "-" device is surely weird. It could be your filesystem is slightly misbehaving. |
| 20:20.48 | Bushmills | mns, 1 |
| 20:20.50 | Titan | any common steps I should try? |
| 20:20.51 | fas3r | dondelelcaro: i have do this : http://pastebin.com/m12370e60 |
| 20:20.54 | Bushmills | mns, it is more than 0 |
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| 20:21.12 | jelly-home | Titan: do a make clean, and then ignore the message? |
| 20:21.24 | Titan | I tried that many times |
| 20:21.33 | jelly-home | Titan: ask your provider then |
| 20:21.43 | Titan | guess ill have to :( |
| 20:21.46 | Titan | thanks anyway |
| 20:21.56 | mns | Bushmills, I'm trying to back up about 55Gb of data to a CD. If I'm not mistaken that should fit onto one CD. |
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| 20:22.12 | Titan | mns as far as I know cds hold 700ish mb max |
| 20:22.12 | Bushmills | 55 gigabytes? 1 cd? |
| 20:22.16 | jelly-home | oh noes, it's a troll |
| 20:22.44 | Guerin | mns: you are mistaken, unless it's 95% sparse files full of zeroes |
| 20:22.44 | jelly-home | quick, everyone hide! |
| 20:22.53 | mns | ahh damn .. I knew I was screwing up somewhere !! I mistook 700Mb for 700 Gb !!! urgghh |
| 20:23.04 | orveldv | hides |
| 20:23.21 | Guerin | mns: welcome to our humble decade, traveller from 2018 |
| 20:23.30 | mns | hahaha |
| 20:23.40 | jelly-home | Guerin: they have EVDs then |
| 20:23.47 | Guerin | so I hear |
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| 20:23.54 | Guerin | and FVDs |
| 20:24.05 | Guerin | but the technology is still immature |
| 20:24.11 | mns | EVDs ? That's ancient. The last time I checked we had HVD |
| 20:24.12 | debian2_6_24_1am | is swap abolutly necessary hear so many different theories? |
| 20:24.24 | Guerin | debian2_6_24_1am: yes and no |
| 20:24.33 | jelly-home | !win Guerin |
| 20:24.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:24.35 | debian2_6_24_1am | see what i mean |
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| 20:25.17 | Guerin | debian2_6_24_1am: a swap partition isn't necessary - use a swap file as big as you like |
| 20:25.20 | jelly-home | debian2_6_24_1am: your question is not specific enough for people to provide a meaningful answer |
| 20:25.47 | mns | debian2_6_24_1am, you should setup swap space if you can. It is not a necessity but you should have one. |
| 20:25.54 | jelly-home | debian2_6_24_1am: what are you planning to use the system for? |
| 20:26.00 | Guerin | debian2_6_24_1am: if you're doing anything ram-acute you might want a couple of G or so. Depends on your usage. |
| 20:26.02 | Pryon | swap is absolutely necessary if you want to use more memory than your machine physically possesses |
| 20:26.07 | debian2_6_24_1am | just desktop |
| 20:26.25 | Guerin | debian2_6_24_1am: can you spare 5G on disk? |
| 20:26.34 | debian2_6_24_1am | sure can |
| 20:26.39 | jelly-home | debian2_6_24_1am: meh, create a swap partition the same size like your RAM, use it and forget |
| 20:26.41 | Guerin | then do so |
| 20:26.46 | Guerin | make a swapfile |
| 20:26.49 | Guerin | you won't miss it |
| 20:27.03 | Bushmills | and more swap is necessary if you want to use more memory than your machine has as RAM+swap :) |
| 20:27.09 | jelly-home | Guerin: swapfiles are a bit inefficient, so I hear |
| 20:27.26 | mns | Better to have a swap partition |
| 20:27.34 | Pryon | swap, in general, is 1000 times slower than memory. |
| 20:27.35 | Bushmills | if you need a *lot* of swap, add RAM |
| 20:27.35 | mns | debian2_6_24_1am, how much RAM do you have ? |
| 20:27.37 | jelly-home | Oracle doesn't like swap files. |
| 20:27.37 | debian2_6_24_1am | i was going to ask if just setting up a partition would be just as good? |
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| 20:27.57 | Guerin | not that much slower, and more flexible |
| 20:28.02 | jelly-home | Pryon: no, compared to a swap partition |
| 20:28.09 | debian2_6_24_1am | i want to resize vista until i breaks anyway |
| 20:28.12 | jelly-home | Guerin: resizable on the fly? |
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| 20:28.34 | Pryon | jelly-home: What I'm saying is that the efficiency difference between an swap file and a swap partition is dwarfed by that between physical RAM and swap, so it really doesn't matter that much |
| 20:28.54 | jelly-home | Pryon: it does for some apps. |
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| 20:28.55 | debian2_6_24_1am | im not familar with swap files |
| 20:28.56 | Eulex | jelly-home, swapfiles haven't been less efficient than swap partitions since a long time. just make sure that it is in one big block. |
| 20:29.00 | Pryon | Unless your swap file is in a RAM disk... |
| 20:29.02 | bincgi | morning.. |
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| 20:29.41 | bincgi | using putty, i m trying to su however, it gives me this msg, looked in the sshd_config cant seem to have anything i get this msg.. |
| 20:29.42 | bincgi | su: Authentication failure |
| 20:29.52 | thechef | I'd like to do _reliable_ database conversion from sqlite to mysql. Currently I'm only aware extremely unreliable ways to do this (text based, tools seem to be unable to deal with special characters). |
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| 20:30.09 | bincgi | i guess by default is disabled, how can i enable the su ? |
| 20:30.12 | mns | debian2_6_24_1am, since you're not familiar with swap files, just do a swap partition. I usually do a RAM * 2 = swap calcualation |
| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | Eulex: I haven't done measurements, but the recomendations I've seen are for recent-ish Linuxes (RHEL4-5, both run a 2.6 kernel) |
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| 20:30.22 | Eulex | heh, ok |
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| 20:31.16 | LtL | bincgi: try 'sudo passwd root' then your user pw, then a 'root' pw and verify it |
| 20:31.39 | bincgi | debian uses sudo? |
| 20:31.52 | jelly-home | bincgi: it's not configured by default |
| 20:31.56 | LtL | bincgi: all distro's do. |
| 20:32.02 | jelly-home | LtL: no. |
| 20:32.18 | LtL | bincgi: oos, thought they did. |
| 20:32.23 | bincgi | intresting.. didnt even know it.. thank you |
| 20:32.26 | jelly-home | LtL: don't think. verify. |
| 20:32.27 | LtL | oops rather, jelly. |
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| 20:32.43 | bincgi | was thinking ubuntu was the only distro uses sudo |
| 20:32.53 | mns | "trust but verify" |
| 20:33.02 | spreeuw | there was life before ubuntu you know |
| 20:33.07 | bincgi | lol |
| 20:33.08 | spreeuw | or should I say beyond |
| 20:33.11 | simonrvn | bincgi: o_O |
| 20:33.27 | jelly-home | bincgi: sudo can be configured (to work like on ubuntu) |
| 20:33.36 | LtL | bincgi: one 'good' tip, never edit /etc/sudoers directly. use 'visudo'. |
| 20:33.37 | bincgi | well ya, however, they made they own sudoer , asuming, thank you for putting me in the right path.. |
| 20:33.43 | simonrvn | bincgi: have a seat, youngin' and learn something |
| 20:33.56 | Pryon | sudo's been around longer than linux |
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| 20:34.15 | bincgi | on my other server uses distro debian i didnt had to go thru this.. |
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| 20:34.30 | LtL | jelly-home: thanks for the correction. all the distro's i've used, have sudoers. |
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| 20:34.53 | amphi | debian doesn't, by default |
| 20:35.18 | Eulex | though easy to setup |
| 20:35.51 | jelly-home | Pryon: heh, didn't know that |
| 20:36.05 | Pryon | http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/history.html |
| 20:36.10 | chomwitt | hi , i have problem installing any rss plugin in iceweasel 2.0.0.14.2 |
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| 20:37.25 | bincgi | thank you guys. |
| 20:37.28 | bincgi | let me take a look |
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| 20:38.19 | lindenle | anyone have a working rsh setup? |
| 20:38.45 | Eulex | why would anybody want to? |
| 20:38.56 | bincgi | my other server doesnt even have /etc/sudoers i su to it.. |
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| 20:39.50 | lindenle | Eulex: to boot vxWorks from a debian box |
| 20:40.00 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 20:40.15 | lindenle | yes this is my life |
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| 20:41.48 | wifimonster | what is a good Average Seek Read for a sata disk |
| 20:41.48 | wifimonster | 6ms? |
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| 20:41.48 | wifimonster | 5? |
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| 20:42.20 | stew | wifimonster: ask #hardware |
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| 20:43.14 | fas3r | someone have openssl key creation scheme ? |
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| 20:44.17 | Pryon | fas3r: can you be more specific? |
| 20:44.54 | fas3r | Pryon: a simple representation of how a openssl is create |
| 20:45.16 | fas3r | openssl key* |
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| 20:46.14 | Pryon | http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/keys.txt |
| 20:46.45 | webPragmatis1 | what does this mean |
| 20:46.47 | webPragmatis1 | "Usually, one needs to install a few packages with the "-dev" suffix to satisfy package dependencies. debsign is in the devscripts package. auto-apt may ease satisfying these dependencies. Use of fakeroot avoids unnecessary use of the root account. " |
| 20:46.51 | webPragmatis1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 20:47.08 | webPragmatis1 | auto-apt is a param of waht/ |
| 20:47.10 | webPragmatis1 | what* |
| 20:48.52 | Pryon | auto-apt is a package |
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| 20:50.42 | webPragmatis1 | ok so i have a bunch of dependencies for installing php 5.2.5 (lenny) |
| 20:50.49 | webPragmatis1 | er didn't mean to paste that |
| 20:51.00 | bincgi | E: Couldn't find package libdb4.3-dev libdb had different name? |
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| 20:53.25 | webPragmatis1 | Pyro: what is auto-apts usage in that situation? |
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| 20:53.54 | jamse | Hey, how can i add a reverse DNS to my dedicated server? |
| 20:53.54 | Pryon | webPragmatis1: Sorry, I've never ported a package nor used auto-apt |
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| 20:57.36 | webPragmatis1 | anyone else have an idea? |
| 20:57.46 | webPragmatis1 | or ever tried to port php from lenny to etch |
| 20:58.02 | grendal_prime | Hey guys...nobod seems to be careing in #openvpn so thought i woulds ask this here. |
| 20:58.09 | Pryon | Apparently, auto-apt is a sort of shell where, if you need a package, it is installed automagically. |
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| 20:58.54 | dondelelcaro | webPragmatis1: there are backports of it |
| 20:58.58 | webPragmatis1 | Pyro: yea i tried like auto-apt |
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| 20:59.01 | webPragmatis1 | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 20:59.16 | webPragmatis1 | dondelelcaro: oh? I didn't find any on backports.org |
| 20:59.20 | Pryon | So in the context of the thing you pasted, if you're building a package and some dependency crops up, auto-apt will cause that dependency to be met, if possible. |
| 21:00.53 | ia64 | guys - after creating a user via adduser, how do I make it access ONLY its home directory when using sftp? |
| 21:01.09 | dondelelcaro | hrm... ISTR there being backports; perhaps it's just because I made them. |
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| 21:01.53 | chops | I don't know if anyone from yesterday remembers me complaining about proftpd, but I've found something that I'm even more unhappy about than anything from yesterday |
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| 21:02.23 | bincgi | having issues with quota quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option. |
| 21:02.35 | bincgi | i did edit the fstab |
| 21:02.50 | webPragmatis1 | dondelelcaro: etch-backports ? |
| 21:02.50 | webPragmatis1 | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 21:02.59 | chops | For the "TLSProtocol" option, there are three values: SSLv3 allows SSLv3, TLSv1 allows TLSv1. Pop quiz: what is the value that allows both SSLv3 and TLSv1? |
| 21:03.00 | n0ah | please 2 not nom nom nom the fishies |
| 21:03.23 | chops | If you guessed "SSLv23", you've won today's prize! |
| 21:03.33 | bincgi | how well i fix it? |
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| 21:03.45 | n0ah | cuddles with dpkg |
| 21:03.59 | SeveredCross | WTF? |
| 21:04.04 | chops | (The documentation warns sternly that SSLv2 must under no circumstances be used, which makes me think that TLSv1 is not equivalent to SSLv2, which is the only way that would make any sense at all.) |
| 21:04.05 | SeveredCross | SSLv23? |
| 21:04.13 | SeveredCross | I didn't even know that SSL was up to v3. |
| 21:04.16 | chops | SeveredCross: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/modules/mod_tls.html#TLSProtocol |
| 21:04.21 | Pryon | bincgi: did you unmount and remount the filesystem? |
| 21:04.30 | chops | SeveredCross: No! That's not the part of that you're supposed to be unhappy with! :-) |
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| 21:06.25 | chops | Incidentally, the documentation is wrong -- SSLv23 also allows SSLv2 (as well as SSLv3 and TLSv1) |
| 21:06.29 | Pryon | webPragmatis1: php5 is in etch, isn't it? |
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| 21:10.04 | nichos | hi all, im trying to configure my fetchmailrc file, but my username has a \n in it, how can i get the file to treat that as part of the username instead of a NL? i tried \\n |
| 21:10.44 | Pryon | Probably irrelevant, but why in glub's name does your username include \n? |
| 21:11.34 | chops | Pryon: Because his hobby is finding Unix programs that can't handle a \n as part of a username? :-) |
| 21:11.55 | webPragmatis1 | Pryon: an older version of php5 ... that doesn't pass PCI DSS requirements |
| 21:12.08 | Pryon | ah |
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| 21:13.33 | Pryon | Now I'm going to be forced to look at the source of fetchmail because nichos is some kind of masochist |
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| 21:13.40 | vlad | hi, ppl me agian :) |
| 21:13.53 | grendal_prime | SHUTUP |
| 21:13.55 | grendal_prime | heheh |
| 21:13.56 | grendal_prime | just kidding |
| 21:14.04 | SparFux | I just did an aptitude installation of xmms2 with text mode graphical interface and now when I run aptitude, I only get a blank window. |
| 21:14.12 | vlad | i have ati x1550 when i see some movie or video in full screen the video gets pixelate, anny sugestion? |
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| 21:14.46 | Pryon | vlad: What's the resolution of the video? |
| 21:15.05 | nichos | Pryon, I swear, I don't get to chose my username |
| 21:15.10 | vlad | Pryon, 1280x1024 |
| 21:15.12 | nichos | :) |
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| 21:15.24 | Pryon | nichos: your system administrator is a goofball, then |
| 21:15.26 | Pryon | :-) |
| 21:15.52 | stew | SparFux: you mean the terminal where you ran xmms2 now won't display the aptitude gui? |
| 21:16.00 | nichos | Pryon, I don't think it's unreasonable for usernames to start with an "N" (however, he is a goofball, but that's unrealated |
| 21:16.03 | lxsameer | hey guys , i have a problem with my refresh rate of my monitor . my resolution is 1024x768 i want a refresh rate between 75Hz to 85 Hz but how? |
| 21:16.04 | SparFux | stew: yes. |
| 21:16.05 | stew | SparFux: is it ok on other terminals? |
| 21:16.10 | pandrew | hello! is it possible to prevent users from running lsof and getting results from other users processes, or completely prevent running lsof? |
| 21:16.17 | stew | SparFux: try "reset" in the terminal with the problem |
| 21:16.29 | Pryon | nichos: "N", sure, but "\n"? Insanity! |
| 21:16.31 | SparFux | stew: oh yes, it is. |
| 21:16.42 | vlad | its not pilelate the whole windo, just borders and subtitles borders choppy |
| 21:16.44 | SparFux | stew: that's it. thx! |
| 21:16.45 | Pryon | vlad: is that your monitor's resolution or the resolution of the movie you're watching? |
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| 21:16.57 | stew | SparFux: if this is repeatable, file a bug on xmms2 (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
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| 21:17.05 | vlad | Pyro, is not about the movie,in windows i can see it perfect |
| 21:17.17 | Pryon | ok |
| 21:17.25 | SparFux | stew: ok, I will check. |
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| 21:19.30 | nichos | Pryon, the error when I run it verbose, even with a different character is user unknown. eg: domain\USER fetchmail output is saying: domainUSER unknown user. It's not passing any slashes |
| 21:20.22 | lxsameer | Pryon : i'm using KDE and when i look for refresh rate i see 60Hz it is deadly for my eyes |
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| 21:22.37 | vlad | Pyro, no clue? |
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| 21:26.07 | Pryon | nichos: I'm guessing that the shell is monkeying with it before fetchmail calls getopt_long() |
| 21:26.15 | wad | Oh, great. I've got mindterm set up, so I can ssh into my debian server. It emits some bubblebabble on login... and the output of that contains the f-word. :( |
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| 21:26.38 | penrod | greetings: does the debian distribution have a maximum number of days for uptime before it resets ? I had a server yesterday hit 499 days, and today it is at < 1 , just curious. |
| 21:26.43 | abrotman | no |
| 21:26.43 | Pryon | lxsameer: No other refresh rates available? |
| 21:26.47 | abrotman | not that i've seen anyways |
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| 21:27.13 | Pryon | lxsameer: Also, I'm assuming a CRT monitor |
| 21:27.16 | nichos | Pryon, hmmm, could I somehow put a variable there? |
| 21:27.52 | lxsameer | Pryon : no other , i dont know about CRT |
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| 21:29.22 | bincgi | not sure what to add to that.. lol |
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| 21:29.57 | Pryon | nichos: looking at the rcfile grammar |
| 21:31.10 | wols | lxsameer: if you have TFT then 60Hz is all you can ever get |
| 21:31.41 | wols | !tell lxsameer about drxx |
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| 21:33.18 | lxsameer | wols : i'm soory but i can't understande u . what is TFT and drxx , i have a sumsong syncMaster MB 1793 |
| 21:33.19 | musikgoat | i'm running lenny on an embedded system... can anyone help me identify why one partition isn't loading... it "should" be jfs, but when I mount, i get mount output wrong fs type... any suggestions to figure out whats wrong? |
| 21:34.24 | amphi | musikgoat: file -s /dev/whatever will tell you the fs |
| 21:34.53 | musikgoat | thanks amphi |
| 21:35.13 | Pryon | nichos: No help in the grammar. Just for kicks, how do you manage to log in to this account? Do you ? |
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| 21:36.18 | musikgoat | oh noes, this has got to be bad: LinkStation:~# file -s /dev/sda6 |
| 21:36.18 | musikgoat | /dev/sda6: , 44.1 kHz, Stereo |
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| 21:36.26 | nichos | Pryon, what do you mean? with other clients I simply type domain\nichos as the username |
| 21:36.34 | lxsameer | wols: i do dpkg-reconfigure but nothing changed |
| 21:36.47 | Pryon | I see. |
| 21:36.48 | nichos | Pryon, i'm using offlineimap now, but it doesn't seem too reliable, hence the reason to look at fetch |
| 21:36.57 | wols | lxsameer: read-edid |
| 21:37.15 | wols | lxsameer: lemme guess you run lenny or sid? |
| 21:38.22 | nichos | Pryon, thanks for all your help anyway, I'll explore some other options |
| 21:39.11 | Pryon | nichos: sorry :/ |
| 21:40.19 | musikgoat | amphi: does "/dev/sda6: , 44.1 hHz, Stereo" make sense to you? |
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| 21:42.14 | lxsameer | wols: no i running etch 64 in my amd 64 |
| 21:42.49 | n0ah | amphi? |
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| 21:44.04 | Pryon | Hmmm. Samsung doesn't seem to have a monitor "MB 1793". Sure that's correct? |
| 21:44.04 | n0ah | that's funny i started using the nickname amph online about a year ago and i had a dude that always called me amphy |
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| 21:45.43 | Pryon | Hmm. 793MB. That's a CRT monitor |
| 21:45.51 | lxsameer | Pryon : i bought this some week ago? in damn windows it is running with 85 Hz but in linux just 60Hz |
| 21:46.26 | amphi | musikgoat: nothing good ;) |
| 21:46.46 | musikgoat | amphi: shows the same on every sdax |
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| 21:47.27 | Pryon | lxsameer: What video card do you have and which X driver are you using? |
| 21:48.03 | amphi | musikgoat: can any of them be mounted? |
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| 21:48.21 | musikgoat | yes, currently sda2 and sda1 are mounted... |
| 21:48.29 | socksv | Anyone got any good ideas for cropping out areas of an SVG file to another SVG file in linux command line. Tried Inkscape but failed due to SVG error - which is pushed into a browser ifs fine..? |
| 21:48.32 | vjoe | cya |
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| 21:48.57 | Pryon | lxsameer: You might also try running 'Xorg -configure' and then using the generated xorg.conf |
| 21:48.59 | lxsameer | Pryon : i use GForce 6200EL and i use nv driver |
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| 21:50.02 | lxsameer | Pryon : i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and use genrated xorg.conf but nothing changed |
| 21:50.51 | wols | lxsameer: this time select a monitor in there |
| 21:50.54 | Saint-Takeshi | hey guys.....just installed debian (testing) on my Acer 5315 Notebook, and i'm having 2 problems that i know about, possibly more that i can't see |
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| 21:51.21 | Pryon | lxsameer: What is the VertRefresh value in the Monitor section of your xorg.conf file? |
| 21:51.25 | Saint-Takeshi | firstly, my CPU fan isn't spinning, i'm having to keep the computer out on the balcony to stop it overheating |
| 21:51.40 | socksv | jesus |
| 21:51.57 | socksv | That sounds like its more than linux mate |
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| 21:52.09 | Saint-Takeshi | i think that's an ACPI thing, because wiindows did the same without the acer e-power manbagement software |
| 21:52.30 | wols | !tell Saint-Takeshi about laptops |
| 21:53.03 | lxsameer | Pryon : i'm not sure but i think some value between 38 and 52 |
| 21:53.03 | Saint-Takeshi | 2nd problem is that i can't see text |
| 21:53.13 | socksv | Saint - If you look around your model number needs a BIOS update |
| 21:53.51 | socksv | Saint - http://support.acer-euro.com/drivers/notebook/as_5315.html |
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| 21:54.33 | riot | hi |
| 21:54.57 | fas3r | how to list samba user ? |
| 21:55.12 | Saint-Takeshi | like text within X, that is |
| 21:55.18 | riot | if i want to build a raid5 and enlarge it later on by adding hdds, i must use an lvm, right? |
| 21:55.25 | Saint-Takeshi | not even my username as i type it |
| 21:55.29 | Pryon | lxsameer: try grep "maximum pixel clock" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:55.54 | lxsameer | Pryon : what next |
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| 22:00.39 | fas3r | it's just i haven't smbpasswd file ... :) |
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| 22:03.32 | ab3l | hi i'd like to know: i can create a boot cd embedding stage2_eltorito and grub on a cd - but what if i wanna make a boot floppy ? |
| 22:03.41 | Pryon | lxsameer: what happens when you run 'Xorg -configure' and then use the generated xorg.conf? |
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| 22:05.54 | lxsameer | Pyron : i'm in damn windows now , but last time i run that some configure steps like sarge edition comes and at last in /etc/X11 a file with name xorg.conf123456 genrated then i use some usful part of that file in the original xorg.conf |
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| 22:10.29 | lobak | hello |
| 22:12.19 | lobak | im currently using etch..and i was wondering, is there any video editing apps in debian etch? |
| 22:12.32 | H2S04 | kino? |
| 22:13.33 | lobak | ok..thanks..im going to install it right now |
| 22:14.51 | Pryon | cinelerra? |
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| 22:16.00 | lobak | Pryon: i've tried search cinelerra on apt package list.. there is no cinelerra |
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| 22:16.25 | H2S04 | lobak: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=video+editing |
| 22:16.27 | lobak | Pryon: i searched on google, but there is only for sid |
| 22:16.42 | themill | lobak: kdenlive is on debian-multimedia.org |
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| 22:18.06 | lobak | themill: ok thanks..is it kde application? |
| 22:18.29 | themill | yes |
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| 22:19.58 | Brigo | Is there a easy solution for incompatibility nvidai/xen in debian precompiled kernels? |
| 22:20.34 | format_c | Brigo: oh jeah that bothers me too |
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| 22:22.20 | H2S04 | format_c: !!! |
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| 22:22.45 | format_c | H2S04: what means "!!!"? |
| 22:23.05 | octox2 | when using rsync, is there a switch that will cause rsync not to delete the file it is sending if you terminate the connection. I want to be able to pick up where I left off with a large file if the connection is broken ? |
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| 22:23.15 | H2S04 | it means everyone should format c immediately. |
| 22:23.43 | dutchfish | what has xen's hypervisor to do with a graphics card? you can easely rebuild a kernel with xen opted for that |
| 22:23.50 | format_c | octox2: you can choose if its just deleted after or before |
| 22:24.02 | format_c | in your case you have to choose --delete-after |
| 22:24.28 | Bushmills | bash: format: command not found |
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| 22:24.54 | format_c | dutchfish: it has to do with it because it's a kernel module and depends on its version |
| 22:24.58 | replaceafill | hi. is there any way to upgrade etch installer hard disk drivers? |
| 22:25.19 | octox2 | format_c: so if i kill it in the middle, rsync will keep the temp file untill it is finished with the whole file at some latter date? |
| 22:25.21 | replaceafill | the installer say it has no support for my hard drive |
| 22:25.29 | dutchfish | format_c: if you want bleading edge, i am afraid you are out of lock with prop. drivers |
| 22:25.37 | dutchfish | s/locl/luck |
| 22:25.38 | fas3r | how to reinstall completly debian package .. ? |
| 22:25.50 | Bushmills | apt-get install format -> E: Couldn't find package format |
| 22:26.07 | Bushmills | stupid advice :( |
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| 22:26.38 | fas3r | i have test apt-get install --reinstall but it don't reinstall conf file .. |
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| 22:26.43 | Brigo | fas3r: apt-get install package --reinstall |
| 22:26.51 | format_c | dutchfish: thought the xen kernel would be like compatible when it is even using the same version number |
| 22:26.52 | Brigo | fas3r: :-) |
| 22:26.57 | fas3r | Brigo: :) |
| 22:27.03 | Brigo | fas3r: apt-get remove --purge? |
| 22:27.08 | fas3r | yes too ;) |
| 22:27.27 | fas3r | before the --reinstall |
| 22:28.06 | fas3r | maybe if i remove the package in the /var/... |
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| 22:28.12 | dutchfish | format_c: xen goes as far as 2.6.18 reaches, so no new graphic support (at least not yet) eagerly waiting for xen 4.1 to arrive |
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| 22:28.25 | format_c | octox2: read the manual of rsync. the behaviour of the switch is particularly described |
| 22:28.39 | Brigo | fas3r: what is the problem? |
| 22:28.57 | fas3r | Brigo: it don't reinstall default conf file |
| 22:29.00 | octox2 | format_c: ok, good idea, thanks |
| 22:29.11 | dutchfish | format_c: trying to get R610 ati with xserver-xorg-radeonhd is maybe possible soon |
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| 22:29.46 | flaps | hi folks |
| 22:29.48 | format_c | dutchfish: a user-space driver independent from kernel? |
| 22:30.10 | flaps | are they going to keep postponing the release date for lenny to be stable (like they did with etch) ? |
| 22:30.12 | dutchfish | format_c: no/yes, the clue is here open source |
| 22:30.34 | format_c | ah ok |
| 22:30.41 | stew | flaps: they are going to release lenny when the release critical bug count for lenny is zero |
| 22:30.41 | Brigo | tell me the package name, please. |
| 22:30.46 | fas3r | samba :) |
| 22:30.52 | dutchfish | format_c: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd;a=summary |
| 22:31.01 | flaps | thats gonna take for ever. |
| 22:31.02 | format_c | mmh the other alternative is not to use 3D support provided by the driver |
| 22:31.04 | flaps | and ubuntu sucks |
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| 22:31.10 | stew | flaps: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical <- look at the 'number affecting the current release' |
| 22:31.15 | Brigo | stew well, the installer need some work, too. |
| 22:31.36 | Brigo | fas3r: may be the package generates de conf. |
| 22:31.48 | fas3r | Brigo: by defaut yes |
| 22:31.57 | fas3r | but not now .. :) |
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| 22:32.17 | flaps | 1785 ! |
| 22:32.17 | Brigo | /etc/samba/smb.conf? |
| 22:32.18 | stew | Brigo: the installer likely to be ready before the RC bug count is zero |
| 22:32.31 | flaps | fuck it. i'll just roll back to windows. debian is always in the stone age. |
| 22:32.32 | fas3r | Brigo: yes |
| 22:32.37 | stew | flaps: 1785 is the wrong number |
| 22:32.38 | fas3r | Brigo: i don't write it :) |
| 22:32.45 | fas3r | i know it's simple :) |
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| 22:33.02 | stew | flaps: sorry you should be looking at "Number concerning the next release: 476" |
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| 22:33.10 | Brigo | fas3r: there is aplication for easy configure it .... |
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| 22:33.39 | Brigo | stew: last weekend installer got me crazy :-) |
| 22:33.41 | fas3r | but i want reinstall it because i have specify /etc/samba/smbpasswd file but it continu to use /etc/passwd ... |
| 22:33.54 | fas3r | (in smb;conf) |
| 22:33.59 | debian2_6_24_1am | is using a usb thumb drive as swap practical? |
| 22:34.28 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi, anyone have an idea how to sort of install debian into userspace on a generic linux distro? |
| 22:34.44 | fas3r | or by defaut it verify if the user exist in /etc/passwd ? ( i 'm not sure... ) |
| 22:34.45 | stew | IsoLnCHiP: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:35.08 | Brigo | fas3r: i do not remember now :-) |
| 22:35.13 | fas3r | :) |
| 22:35.18 | fas3r | what's the question :) |
| 22:35.33 | fas3r | someone know :p |
| 22:35.39 | Brigo | fas3r: is configurable, i think. whith the option security= user |
| 22:35.47 | Brigo | or something . |
| 22:35.52 | fas3r | Brigo: yes |
| 22:36.00 | dutchfish | format_c: but you can go the kvm/qemu route, running a full blown desktop with glxgears passing 1800 frames a second in the guest atm already |
| 22:36.03 | Vicfred | Why I can't write to ntfs partitions? my fstab is here http://paste.debian.net/5133/ |
| 22:36.09 | flaps | oh |
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| 22:36.14 | flaps | well 400 aint bad |
| 22:36.24 | fas3r | but when i use smbpasswd ( for create user or define user password) it verify if the user is present in /etc/passwd ? |
| 22:36.28 | dutchfish | format_c: kernel 2.6.25-4 and latest drivers from the git |
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| 22:36.42 | IsoLnCHiP | stew: well I dont want to replace the current OS, just add some debianness to it |
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| 22:36.55 | rockets | Anybody know a way to exlude a specific directory from the find command when doing something like find / -name 'blah' |
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| 22:37.07 | fas3r | because if i do smbpasswd -a test it say : " Failed to modify password entry for user test" |
| 22:37.08 | Tr0gd0r | does the debian installer have a way to setup striped disks? |
| 22:37.27 | fas3r | but -a option is for add user ... |
| 22:37.37 | flaps | where can i find out what programs have these bugs. mabey i dont even use them and would be safe to install testing |
| 22:38.03 | stew | IsoLnCHiP: you should ask in a channel specific to your OS |
| 22:38.15 | format_c | dutchfish: thanks thought there is a easy solution |
| 22:38.31 | octox2 | format_c: there is a --partial switch which is exactly what i need , cool |
| 22:38.40 | dutchfish | format_c: patience, its coming ... but just not yet |
| 22:38.43 | stew | rockets: find / -path '*/somepath/*' -prune -o -name 'blah' |
| 22:38.55 | rockets | cool thx |
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| 22:40.27 | mrcheeks | Hello guys. Anyone with a build of icedtea for debian amd64? |
| 22:40.58 | n3kl | I need a way to get 1Gish files to a webserver over the internet. I would like encrypted authentication, so I was thinking sftp, or some method of webdav over https, but is there a way that ssh could provide this functionality? |
| 22:41.45 | diveli | n3kl: if you have ssh access, you can copy the files with scp |
| 22:42.15 | diveli | scp -r /localdirectory you@remoteserver:/remotedirectory |
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| 22:42.39 | IsoLnCHiP | stew: well its more of a generic question. While the current target system is xandros and as such debian based, Im thinking more in the terms of how to go about it on *any* linux distro. (I do realize there would be some specifics to the distros) Just basically asking whether anyone has heard of a kind of debian in userspace project? |
| 22:43.01 | n3kl | diveli: well, its mixed windows linux clients, and I for one hate winscp. |
| 22:43.23 | fas3r | Brigo: " the default passdb backends require the user to already exist in the system password file " :) |
| 22:43.24 | diveli | ah |
| 22:43.38 | legis | n3kl: what's wrong with sftp? |
| 22:43.45 | n3kl | doesn't ssh use sftp as a backend when copying files anymore today? |
| 22:43.46 | dondelelcaro | IsoLnCHiP: there's no real method to do it as a normal user, because of issues with needing root |
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| 22:44.19 | n3kl | legis: nothing really. I am looking at my vsftpd conf right now, but I just wanted to know if there was a better alternative. |
| 22:44.38 | octox2 | format_c: it works likea charm too , Linux Rocks |
| 22:45.00 | Dnumgis | my sid box is not properly mounting /dev/pts after a kernel upgrade, anyone got any idea? |
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| 22:46.32 | IsoLnCHiP | dondelelcaro: Well as I dont really want to touch the kernel or for that matter anything of the core system, but only add some software through apt ultimately, I am thinking I should be possible |
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| 22:47.38 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: you still need root |
| 22:48.19 | IsoLnCHiP | kind of like install it like I wanted to run it chroot'ed, but have it acccessible from the outside system |
| 22:48.19 | Dnumgis | I can't quite see what it say during boot, but when I try to do the mount (or even run the relevant initscript) afterwards it does work |
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| 22:48.31 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: What am I missing? Where would I need root? |
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| 22:49.04 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: apt. I just jumped in the middle. Don't mind me. I think you would need root for chroot also, but if you had sudo... |
| 22:49.08 | Dnumgis | it seems it starts udev (which creates the content of /dev (including the relevant mount point) after trying to mount devpts |
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| 22:49.53 | legis | n3kl: If you have ssh, you have sftp already, so why bother with a unsecure protocol? |
| 22:50.27 | n3kl | legis: thats what I am getting at. So how can I tell a windows client to use the sftp included with ssh? |
| 22:50.41 | n3kl | legis: through a client like winscp, right? Which is what I amtrying to avoid. |
| 22:51.07 | xuser | heh, now what's wrong winscp? |
| 22:51.12 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: Well, I neither want to change any of the core files (which would require root) nor do I really want to chroot in, more like append PATH and LDPATH and whatnot, in such a way, that I can run programs installed in a seperate path ideally located in the users home dir. Somewhat similar to what the fink-project did |
| 22:51.21 | n3kl | xuser: it freaking sucks |
| 22:51.32 | xuser | n3kl: no, you suck. |
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| 22:51.42 | n3kl | xuser: your mom sucks |
| 22:52.38 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: so do that. |
| 22:52.45 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: if you dont like winscp, you also have the option to use the pscp as provided by PuTTY |
| 22:52.57 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: ah, news to me. Thanks |
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| 22:53.58 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: Well, thats the problem, Im not sure its going to work, and was hopeing for some input, before I start off on a long and possibly fruitless endeavour ;) |
| 22:54.00 | xuser | n3kl: why don't you write something better? |
| 22:54.16 | xuser | n3kl: stop bashing others good work |
| 22:54.24 | Bushmills | or use an OS which doesn't such :) |
| 22:54.29 | Bushmills | suck |
| 22:54.37 | n3kl | xuser: you a dev for the project? |
| 22:54.38 | dutchfish | Bushmills: bingo |
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| 22:55.17 | n3kl | Bushmills: hey man, I am in #debian for a reason. You threatening my first love? |
| 22:55.30 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 22:55.30 | dpkg | [debianlove] the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 22:56.10 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: yeah, I would deboostrap a system, then you have it, and you can chroot to it all day long if you want |
| 22:56.24 | Bushmills | n3kl: just pointing out that there is no universal law requiring one to run a system with a limited choice of scp/sftp/ssh clients |
| 22:56.38 | n3kl | boy howdy do I hear you there |
| 22:56.48 | Vicfred | Why I can't write to ntfs partitions? my fstab is here http://paste.debian.net/5133/ |
| 22:57.43 | dutchfish | !tell Vicfred about ntfs3g |
| 22:57.46 | n3kl | But, *I*, and merely looking for a solution to cover all levels of choice, regardless of OS. |
| 22:57.52 | Bushmills | Vicfred: a: because the creator of ntfs hasn't made its specs open. b: because you don't use an alternative allowing you to write to it |
| 22:58.09 | IsoLnCHiP | So, any ideas, whether deboostrapping debian into say /local/debian and then fireing up a shell with altered envorinment variables has any chance of sucess for running software from the debian repos on <insert random linux distro> ? And which vars would I have to set? Any ideas for a minimal system think a portable debian? |
| 22:58.41 | octox2 | rsync rules |
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| 22:59.32 | dutchfish | IsoLnCHiP: if you want to do something like that take a peak at debian-live |
| 22:59.33 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: have you heard of virtualization? What you are trying to do, it sounds to me, is run two systems at the same time on the same kernel. |
| 22:59.55 | Bushmills | n3kl: nfs over openvpn |
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| 23:00.18 | n3kl | Bushmills: speaking of which, do you know of an nfs client for windoze |
| 23:00.29 | IsoLnCHiP | dutchfish: Thanks, Ill look into that right away |
| 23:00.31 | fas3r | how to add user test1 in root group ? just i need to edit /etc/group and add user test1 in end of line root group : like this : root:x:0:test1 no ? |
| 23:00.31 | Bushmills | n3kl: doesn't it come with one? |
| 23:00.43 | dutchfish | n3kl: windows has already support for it |
| 23:00.46 | n0ah | fas3r: you could do that but why do you want to add them to root? |
| 23:00.47 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: Well, virtualisation frquently come with more overhead than Im hopeing for |
| 23:00.55 | Bushmills | you mean, window can't even use standard net file exports? |
| 23:00.57 | n3kl | dutchfish: know what its called or how to enable it? |
| 23:00.59 | Bushmills | windows |
| 23:01.07 | Bushmills | call that "island solution" |
| 23:01.18 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: what is the goal, I think you are trying to invent something. |
| 23:01.21 | n0ah | fas3r: might as well use groupmod |
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| 23:01.25 | n0ah | err usermod |
| 23:01.31 | fas3r | groupmod ? |
| 23:01.34 | n0ah | usermod -G <groups> <user> |
| 23:01.38 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: and while there is overhead in running a virtual machine, depending on what you are doing with it, its not much |
| 23:01.58 | dutchfish | n3kl: scratches my head, its under configuration deeply hidden |
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| 23:02.04 | DanDare | Hello all. How i do to see wich is the version of a given installed package? I must use apt ? |
| 23:02.08 | fas3r | thank n0ah ;) |
| 23:02.10 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: WarNFS is an ancient projekt, might still be around, think I used it once or twice. |
| 23:02.10 | Deezire | IsoLnCHiP: Xen has nearly zero penalty when it comes to modified kernels. |
| 23:02.11 | n0ah | fas3r: anytime. |
| 23:02.27 | n3kl | and xen is awesome |
| 23:02.39 | n3kl | don't expect to keep your nvidia driver running though |
| 23:02.55 | dutchfish | n3kl: google on technet |
| 23:03.08 | Deezire | I'd use Xen if they supported *BSD without HVM. |
| 23:03.56 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: Well, actually Id preferr not to reinvent something, but need be, I might turn it into a pet project ;) Other reason Id like to avoid virtualisation is it frequently needs a modified kernel (which again would require root privlidges) |
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| 23:04.15 | dutchfish | IsoLnCHiP: wrong |
| 23:04.29 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: only a coupld do |
| 23:04.38 | Zharf | is acpi battery info changed somehow in 2.6.25 kernels? there's no /proc/acpi/battery and acpi command can't find any info on my batteries, although there's stuff about them in dmesg |
| 23:04.46 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: do you not have root on this machine or something? |
| 23:04.48 | IsoLnCHiP | Deezire: Xen, yes heard allot of good things about it, still a bit scared of it though, and again trying to avoid root ;) |
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| 23:05.04 | Deezire | IsoLnCHiP: What are you trying to aviod? |
| 23:05.18 | Deezire | With modified kernel you don't really need to do anything. |
| 23:05.31 | IsoLnCHiP | Deezire: needing root privledges. |
| 23:05.32 | n3kl | dutchfish: you are freaking blunt |
| 23:05.35 | amphi | Zharf: you can rebuild the kernel with the 'deprecated' /proc acpi stuff |
| 23:05.54 | dutchfish | IsoLnCHiP: nothing is 100% save, but i would bet on xen or kvm/qemu |
| 23:05.55 | Deezire | IsoLnCHiP: DomU or Dom0 were speaking of now? |
| 23:05.58 | n0ah | hey |
| 23:06.00 | Zharf | amphi, but where is the 'new' stuff about batteries then? |
| 23:06.12 | amphi | Zharf: sysfs I believe |
| 23:06.20 | Deezire | Xen runs in CPU ring 3 and has no access what so ever to host OS. |
| 23:06.24 | dutchfish | n3kl: stop this |
| 23:06.33 | amphi | Zharf: but acpi(1) does not yet use it AFAIK |
| 23:06.40 | n3kl | what? |
| 23:06.45 | Zharf | amphi, oooh |
| 23:06.51 | IsoLnCHiP | n3kl: While the first machine I have in mind for this project, I do have root, Im thinking ahead, wondering if I couldnt make it portable enough to stick it on a USB Key and use on any linux machine I encounter |
| 23:07.37 | Deezire | Oh, i see, you want to install a virtual monitor on a system you don't have root on? |
| 23:07.45 | amphi | Zharf: I build my kernels with the /proc/acpi support |
| 23:08.01 | abrotman | how is this a debian question ? |
| 23:08.02 | Deezire | Then your shit out of luck, most of them require kernel update or privledges to CPU. |
| 23:08.11 | dutchfish | IsoLnCHiP: again debian-live would be a way to go for that |
| 23:08.12 | Zharf | amphi, building a kernel on this would be... annoying to say the least |
| 23:08.12 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: dood, you are talking virtualization. Also, while most virtualization technologies do not require a modified kernel, almost all require a module or two, which will require root. Or chroot, which will require root. |
| 23:08.21 | Zharf | amphi, 600MHz, 192MB memory :) |
| 23:08.40 | Zharf | amphi, I think I'll just use 2.6.24 until acpi(1) starts using sysfs |
| 23:08.48 | IsoLnCHiP | Deezire: No, actually just setup a folder with enough debian in it to apt-get install to it and such and have a fairly familar environment with all my usual tools at hand |
| 23:08.54 | n3kl | Zharf: build it elsewhere |
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| 23:09.14 | amphi | Zharf: if you have no particular need for .25, that makes more sense |
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| 23:09.24 | Zharf | amphi, yeah thanks for the info |
| 23:09.25 | sas67 | Hi |
| 23:09.37 | Zharf | n3kl, if I find the time and enough boredom, I might :) |
| 23:09.38 | n3kl | yodle |
| 23:09.39 | amphi | Zharf: you're welcome |
| 23:09.52 | sas67 | Is it possible to copy file to another directory in ssh |
| 23:09.53 | Zharf | off to sleep now, night |
| 23:09.56 | Deezire | Huh, why would you do that, IsoLnCHiP? :p |
| 23:10.02 | Deezire | Too much freetime? |
| 23:10.08 | n3kl | Zharf: its not too bad. I do it for my thin clients. |
| 23:10.37 | abrotman | sas67: man cp |
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| 23:10.49 | Deezire | sas67: man scp |
| 23:11.04 | sas67 | Abrotman: thanx m8 |
| 23:11.09 | Deezire | Or rsync, my preferred choice. |
| 23:11.16 | abrotman | i think he's already got the shell |
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| 23:11.35 | IsoLnCHiP | Deezire: Because I want to ;) Like at work Im trapped in a Suse box, but want my beloved debian ;) |
| 23:11.48 | sas67 | Use ssh to access server |
| 23:11.55 | n3kl | IsoLnCHiP: now the truth comes out |
| 23:11.57 | Deezire | You feel trapped at suse? :p I'm stuck with wintendo. |
| 23:12.03 | IsoLnCHiP | rofl |
| 23:12.17 | Deezire | sas67: Use scp or rsync then. |
| 23:12.28 | n3kl | nice |
| 23:12.39 | Deezire | rsync is preferrable, it keeps permission and can stop/start whenever you want to. |
| 23:13.00 | IsoLnCHiP | Its just one of the cases in which it would come in handy, the box Im on right now is also not quite the way Id like it, but I dont want to change the whole OS |
| 23:13.02 | Deezire | Also saves alot of bandwidth if you're doing it at a regular basis. |
| 23:13.03 | sas67 | Thanx |
| 23:13.15 | abrotman | IsoLnCHiP: how is this a Debian question? |
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| 23:13.48 | n3kl | abrotman: we've missed you |
| 23:13.59 | abrotman | i already asked once |
| 23:14.15 | IsoLnCHiP | abrotman: read further up, It concerns installing a debian, so I feel it most apropriate to ask here |
| 23:14.23 | abrotman | a debian ? |
| 23:14.33 | n3kl | ha |
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| 23:14.53 | n3kl | its a north african breed of penguin |
| 23:15.20 | dutchfish | no its the male version of a debina |
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| 23:20.39 | Corty | hm, anyone using truecrypt? |
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| 23:22.34 | markybob | !anyone |
| 23:22.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:23.41 | Corty | :) kk |
| 23:23.43 | Corty | truecrypt: /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2: version `FUSE_2.6' not found (required by truecrypt) |
| 23:23.55 | flaps | ih |
| 23:24.14 | Corty | I tried to install the deb from their page on debian |
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| 23:24.25 | markybob | what about that didnt you understand? you need to install fuse |
| 23:24.33 | Corty | It is? |
| 23:24.57 | markybob | 2.6 or higher? |
| 23:24.57 | Corty | the module is loaded, too |
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| 23:25.06 | Corty | let me check |
| 23:25.11 | markybob | dpkg -l fuse-utils |
| 23:25.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching fuse-utils |
| 23:25.23 | n3kl | nice |
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| 23:25.58 | Corty | aww, it's 2.5.3-4.4 |
| 23:26.01 | markybob | see, reading and following the error helps :P |
| 23:26.07 | trythis | I have problems with a module. I have this message in dmesg: version magic '2.6.9 386 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.9 386 gcc-3.3'...what is the problem and what can I do? |
| 23:26.30 | Corty | markybob, is there another package? |
| 23:26.36 | markybob | !backports |
| 23:26.37 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 23:27.23 | Corty | yeah, why not. i could use the etch-backport. |
| 23:27.33 | Corty | Thanks for the 'kick' in the right way markybob |
| 23:27.40 | markybob | np |
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| 23:28.12 | BrianSteffens | Hello. I have the program 'mon' which is monitoring apache. When it's found to be down, it calls a script which I'd like to kill heartbeat. However, since mon runs as 'daemon', it gets permission denied. Any ideas how I can make this work? |
| 23:28.58 | Reedy | Quick question, where do i set the system http proxy settings? I've found it before, but cant find it again. Thanks! |
| 23:29.24 | abrotman | Reedy: for apt? or everyone? |
| 23:29.26 | themill | BrianSteffens: crude solution is either to change the user mon runs as or give mon permission to sudo to the heartbeat user |
| 23:29.27 | markybob | Reedy, in what? |
| 23:29.34 | markybob | for what? |
| 23:29.38 | amphi | Reedy: you can set a shell variable; http_proxy and HTTP_PROXY both seem to be used |
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| 23:30.30 | BrianSteffens | amphi: will that work inside a script? Won't sudo ask for a password, which the script won't be able to enter? |
| 23:31.16 | amphi | BrianSteffens: misfire |
| 23:31.22 | fas3r | i will go to kill samba ... where is my error ... ( on the folder i have do chmod 777 and define smb user like owner of the folder) http://pastebin.com/m1d5c784e |
| 23:31.32 | Reedy | its for everyone, apt is already setup fine |
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| 23:31.47 | markybob | in what? gnome? kde? |
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| 23:32.22 | Reedy | no gui, its all terminal |
| 23:32.50 | BrianSteffens | amphi: :) |
| 23:32.58 | Reedy | it needs to be so squid knows where its sending the HTTP proxy requests (squid is being used as a transparent proxy to an external proxy) |
| 23:32.58 | markybob | then yeah, set the http_proxy variable |
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| 23:33.49 | Reedy | in /etc/profile? |
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| 23:36.05 | themill | BrianSteffens: sudo can be configured to not ask for a password for specific users running specific commands. Look at the NOPASSWD directive. |
| 23:36.17 | BrianSteffens | themill: Thank you very much. |
| 23:36.27 | themill | no worries |
| 23:36.47 | themill | There's probably a more elegant way of doing it, but that will work :) |
| 23:36.56 | BrianSteffens | themill: =D |
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| 23:39.03 | trythis | I have a problem with loading a module after compiling it. I have this message in dmesg: version magic '2.6.9 386 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.9 386 gcc-3.3'...what can I do? |
| 23:40.07 | abrotman | trythis: show us the output of `cat /proc/version` |
| 23:40.25 | themill | trythis: don't mix sarge and etch |
| 23:40.37 | n3kl | haha |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | that's not a sarge kernel |
| 23:40.57 | trythis | (abrotman): Linux version 2.6.9 (root@debian) (gcc-Version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) |
| 23:41.12 | themill | abrotman: isn't it? |
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| 23:41.31 | abrotman | sarge had 2.6.8 for its 2.6.x kernel |
| 23:41.38 | trythis | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:41.38 | trythis | 3.1 |
| 23:41.41 | BrianSteffens | o.O |
| 23:41.59 | themill | abrotman: ahh yeah.... well, I kept chasing 2.6.x to try to get suspend working when I was using sarge... |
| 23:42.18 | themill | But still, that's a sarge/etch mix :) |
| 23:42.31 | octox2 | how can i monitor my network traffic from the console ? |
| 23:42.38 | octox2 | in real time |
| 23:42.49 | octox2 | the up and down speed |
| 23:42.50 | Knorrie | vnstat |
| 23:42.56 | Knorrie | iptraf |
| 23:43.02 | trythis | (themill): what do you mean? is it a module for etch? |
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| 23:43.05 | n3kl | slurm |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | ntop ? |
| 23:43.20 | Reedy | http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/ConfiguringSquid#head-c050a0a0382c01fbfb9da7e9c18d58bafd4eb027 - External proxy settings for squid |
| 23:43.43 | themill | trythis: you have a compiler from etch installed it would seem. What's the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 23:43.46 | Knorrie | ntop is like a cannonball for an insect |
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| 23:44.17 | trythis | (themill): ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:44.28 | abrotman | eww |
| 23:44.35 | themill | ugh |
| 23:44.36 | BrianSteffens | O__O |
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| 23:44.47 | themill | trythis: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list for us? |
| 23:44.54 | legis | I created two users, /var/mail/user1 was created automatically, the other didn't, any ideas? |
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| 23:45.00 | themill | bets on "stable" not "sarge" |
| 23:45.29 | trythis | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 23:45.29 | trythis | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 23:45.29 | trythis | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 23:45.29 | trythis | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody module-init-tools initrd-tools procps |
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| 23:45.41 | BrianSteffens | DINGDINGDING |
| 23:45.51 | Knorrie | woody backports |
| 23:45.55 | themill | !win themill |
| 23:45.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:46.02 | themill | !tell trythis about paste |
| 23:46.02 | Knorrie | haha |
| 23:46.03 | BrianSteffens | Hurray! |
| 23:46.10 | n3kl | ATTACK! |
| 23:46.21 | Knorrie | main screen turn on |
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| 23:46.26 | trythis | sorry |
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| 23:46.31 | trythis | didn´t know that |
| 23:46.52 | Knorrie | !paste |
| 23:46.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:46.58 | Knorrie | :) |
| 23:47.08 | themill | trythis: how would you like to upgrade to etch today? Or rather, finish upgrading to etch. |
| 23:47.48 | BrianSteffens | I think he should try to combine etch with hp-ux and an old scratched up slackware cd from 1998 as his next project |
| 23:47.54 | n3kl | for an extra $20, we will throw in a free etch upgrade |
| 23:48.03 | trythis | (themill): i have not upgrade my system...i have installed it and using for months |
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| 23:48.20 | abrotman | compiled your own kernel you have |
| 23:48.27 | Knorrie | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C <- looks like an etch security update package on a sarge system |
| 23:48.27 | abrotman | is there a yodasmite ? |
| 23:48.38 | BrianSteffens | there should be |
| 23:49.05 | themill | trythis: because you have "stable" in your sources.list and not "sarge", you have picked up some etch packages by running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. |
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| 23:49.27 | themill | trythis: You are now running a funky mix of etch and sarge which, unsurprisingly, doesn't really work. |
| 23:49.54 | Marupa | Hey everyone, I've got a headless server running Etch, I'm attempting to get two ethernet interfaces onto the server so I can have a backup in case my main ISP goes down, but |
| 23:49.57 | rdz | hi all. is it possible to use top to display processes sorted by memory usage? |
| 23:50.05 | dondelelcaro | rdz: yes. |
| 23:50.13 | dondelelcaro | rdz: hit m, and read the top manpage. |
| 23:50.14 | rdz | or: how can i find the process with the highes usage? |
| 23:50.30 | dondelelcaro | s/m/M/ |
| 23:50.35 | themill | rdz: ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size | sort -n -k5 |
| 23:50.44 | rdz | dondelelcaro, thanks.. |
| 23:50.47 | rdz | themill, thanks |
| 23:50.48 | Marupa | but I want both to work at the same time, too. I've tried just hooking it up, but it eventually stops responding on one of the interfaces. I've used both interfaces interchangeably without an issue, as long as I ifdown the other interface...wht would cause this? |
| 23:50.52 | trythis | (themill): hm ok...and what should I do now? I have a few things that I have installed and don´t want to install it again because I don´t have the sources |
| 23:51.16 | themill | trythis: /msg dpkg partial downgrade <= it might work for you.... |
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| 23:51.40 | Reedy | is there a way in nano other than page down to skip to the end of the document?? |
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| 23:51.52 | themill | Reedy: use vim |
| 23:51.54 | peleg | what exactly unmask does? I can't find anything about it... |
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| 23:52.08 | Lagbolt | Reedy, VIM :) |
| 23:52.09 | themill | peleg: /msg dpkg umask |
| 23:52.16 | peleg | themill: thanks |
| 23:52.48 | digitaloktay | gn8 people |
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| 23:54.03 | Marupa | Any ideas? |
| 23:54.18 | Mad_Marty | Marupa: pci cards? |
| 23:54.31 | Marupa | Mad_Marty: one's PCI, one's builtin. |
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| 23:55.08 | abrotman | still both PCI |
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| 23:55.13 | Mad_Marty | oh, do you have them hooked to the same network? |
| 23:55.24 | trythis | ok. I think i will make a backup and install a new debian system... |
| 23:55.26 | Marupa | Mad_Marty: two different ISPs, neither going through a router. |
| 23:55.53 | trythis | Can I make a backup with dd with a running system? |
| 23:56.21 | rdz | hm.. strange.. there is no process that consumes 700MB of memory, altough conky tells me that 56% of 1.5GB RAM are used |
| 23:57.18 | dondelelcaro | rdz: free ram is wasted ram |
| 23:57.57 | rdz | dondelelcaro, true. however, i suspect a memory leak somewhere, since i am not running any memory challenging tasks rightnow |
| 23:59.11 | Mad_Marty | Marupa: I don't know... do interrupt conflicts still happen? |
| 23:59.28 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: So how are you hooked up to your ISPs? |
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