| 00:00.31 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 00:00.31 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 00:00.46 | Deezire | rdz: Could be cache. |
| 00:01.03 | rdz | abrotman, Deezire, ah, good to know... |
| 00:01.05 | rdz | thanks |
| 00:01.14 | peleg | when I'm doing ssh localhost on my server, it asks me for a passphrase; after succeeding, it asks for a password. I try to root's password, but it won't do. what is it asking for? |
| 00:01.18 | rdz | but for some reason, i haven't experienced that before |
| 00:01.22 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: One of my ISPs is a fiberoptic line, the other's a wireless internet provider. |
| 00:01.58 | Vicfred | how do i install japanese input support to scim? I installed anthy but scim is not displaying any input option |
| 00:02.02 | Deezire | peleg: "ssh localhost" will presume root, and you might need to enable root ssh access. |
| 00:02.07 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: Ok, so the obviously dont share the same physical medium, thought that might be causing the issue ;) |
| 00:02.15 | peleg | Deezire: that solves it! thanks |
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| 00:02.34 | phyburn | how would I find the PID for a proccess bound to port 21? |
| 00:02.48 | Deezire | (try ssh -l <username> <host>, peleg) |
| 00:02.57 | themill | phyburn: netstat -pant |
| 00:03.00 | peleg | tried ssh peleg@localhost and it worked. |
| 00:03.11 | karsten | phyburn: netstat or lsof. |
| 00:03.12 | Deezire | Yeah, that should work too :) |
| 00:03.51 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: Right. It's confusing. |
| 00:04.17 | phyburn | karsten, would there by anyway to have lsof only output information for port 21? |
| 00:04.29 | karsten | peleg: 'ssh <user>@<host>' generally. If you've got ssh keys generated and added to the remote host's authorized_keys file, and are running ssh-agent (if you started up X via an X display manager, eg: KDE, GNOME, etc., you probably are). |
| 00:04.38 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: So, have you setup the NICs on the same IP subnet, or even the same IP, some kind of bridging, or how are you atempting the failover? |
| 00:05.03 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: both have public IPs, different subnets entirely, both are set up through DHCP. |
| 00:05.09 | peleg | karsten: no, no X |
| 00:05.13 | peleg | just shell |
| 00:05.26 | Mad_Marty | Marupa: it could be some routing problem |
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| 00:05.46 | karsten | phyburn: grep, or RTFM. |
| 00:05.46 | Marupa | Mad_Marty: but it works just fine for about an hour or so. |
| 00:05.53 | karsten | phyburn: netstat's the better tool. |
| 00:06.00 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: So this machine is acting as a router, and both links are generally up, until one of them just dies? (allways the same?) correct? |
| 00:06.08 | karsten | peleg: 'exec ssh-agent bash; ssh-add' |
| 00:06.13 | karsten | peleg: ... will then do it. |
| 00:06.15 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: not a router, no. Server. |
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| 00:06.20 | phyburn | anyone have any idea why inetd is using port 21? tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2583/inetd |
| 00:06.20 | karsten | peleg: Assuming you use bash as your shell. |
| 00:06.40 | karsten | phyburn: You're starting ftpd via inetd. |
| 00:06.45 | peleg | karsten: it works, I won't need it. just did ssh peleg@localhost and it worked. |
| 00:06.46 | Deezire | peleg: ftpd |
| 00:06.47 | IsoLnCHiP | A Server which should be reachable via the internet? |
| 00:06.48 | Mantaar | so you read in the tokens, then constructed partial trees and put them together? That'd be bottom up then... In Java? Yeah, had to do that in 2nd semester... :-\ |
| 00:06.56 | karsten | phyburn: less /etc/inetd.conf |
| 00:06.59 | peleg | Deezire: what about it? |
| 00:07.01 | Deezire | Err, s/peleg/phyburn |
| 00:07.07 | Mantaar | ... Dah. Wrong *window*. Sorry pals. |
| 00:07.09 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: A Server which should be reachable via the internet? |
| 00:07.09 | peleg | Deezire: :-) |
| 00:07.23 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: yes. |
| 00:07.53 | karsten | Mantaar: could be worse, could be *I* had to use Java. |
| 00:07.58 | phyburn | karsten, how can I remove ftp from "starting" |
| 00:08.09 | phyburn | just comment out the line in /etc/inetd.conf? |
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| 00:08.17 | peleg | can I use umask or something similar, to make the new created files belong to a specific group by default? |
| 00:08.18 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: You say the IPs are assigned via DCHP do you use some sort of Dynamic DNS service or how do clients reach the server? |
| 00:08.22 | karsten | phyburn: Comment that line from /etc/inetd.conf, and/or remove the ftpd package. |
| 00:08.41 | phyburn | karsten, well I just start it when i use it |
| 00:08.42 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: inadyn, as of right now. |
| 00:09.02 | karsten | phyburn: Oddly enough, that's exactly what inetd does. |
| 00:09.10 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: But the IPs, though assigned by DHCP, are static. |
| 00:09.39 | karsten | phyburn: You've got the added bonus of being able to restrict ftpd to specific hosts and/or user through /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 00:09.47 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: Does the server have two different Hostnames, or one? And how do you decide which IP to assign to the hostname? |
| 00:09.53 | karsten | recommends using 'allow'., and denying all. |
| 00:10.14 | karsten | phyburn: ... which will then allow connections only from specified hosts. |
| 00:10.15 | phyburn | karsten, well I'm guessing I broke it because ftpd doesn't start when the computer starts. It just takes up that port or soemthing. I removed the /etc/init.d/proftpd along time ago |
| 00:10.45 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: Not sure what you mean? |
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| 00:11.11 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: Ok, so after a while the machine stops responding even to a ping on one of the interfaces if you use the static IP directly too? |
| 00:11.24 | karsten | phyburn: If you don't have an ftpd server package, no, it won't start up. If you haven't changed the inetd.conf entry, the inet superdaemon will still listen at port 21 and attempt to invoke an ftpd, though it generally won't be too happy with the results. |
| 00:11.37 | karsten | phyburn: In which case, remove or comment the entry. |
| 00:14.15 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: Correct. On both interfaces. I have to actually log into the console and ifdown one of the interfaces and it'll work. |
| 00:15.03 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: what will work? |
| 00:15.11 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: and what doesnt work? |
| 00:15.12 | Marupa | the one that's still connected. |
| 00:15.21 | Marupa | ok, so...hold on. |
| 00:15.54 | Mad_Marty | Marupa: is the routing table the same when it works and when it doesn't? (this is to rule out a DHCP renewal request changing it) |
| 00:16.09 | Marupa | Mad_Marty: I have no idea. |
| 00:16.30 | Mad_Marty | /sbin/route |
| 00:16.41 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: random intervalls, or predictable intervalls? |
| 00:17.27 | Marupa | OK, so I connect both interfaces, I'll say A and B, for now. A and B work for a while, about an hour, and then suddenly I cannot connect to A or B. I log in from the console (actually sitting down at it), and disable say, A...then B will work. If I dsable B, then A will work. It's random, not exact. |
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| 00:19.56 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: so when you are sitting at the console and 'it doesnt work' can you connect to outside? |
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| 00:20.14 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: Don't know, I hadn't tried that. |
| 00:21.40 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: Probably your best bet is to check routing and firewall tables in a clean state and compare them to when it doesnt work, and of course keep an eye on the logfiles for anything out of the ordinary |
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| 00:23.44 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: no firewall at all. And, I guess I can try that, but since it's a live server that multiple people connect to, I can't just try it out right now. |
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| 00:25.06 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: Might also want to check cron and anything else that runs at regular intervalls, whether it might be interfering, if that all doesnt help, you might considder running a tcpdump on the interfaces and checking for anything suspicious |
| 00:26.15 | Sazpaimon | it isnt possible to safely backport a package that requires g++-4.2 is it? |
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| 00:27.41 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: if youre really unlucky it might be the wireless drivers that are a bit flakey. Im slowly out of ideas |
| 00:28.25 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: Mkay, I can try that. Do you know anything about running processes as a particular user? And the wireless interface isn't a wireless card...it's ethernet, but the equipment on my roof is the wireless interface. (Motorola Canopy, to be specific) |
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| 00:29.26 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: more specifically (processes) |
| 00:30.24 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: I've got some text-based games that I'd like to run when the machine starts up, rather than having to log in and run them manually. |
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| 00:31.40 | Mad_Marty | Marupa: write a startup script, and use "su gameuser -c $GAME" |
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| 00:31.59 | Marupa | IsoLnCHiP: However, I don't want them running as root, because they need to be able to shut it down and restart it from a login. |
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| 00:32.10 | Marupa | Mad_Marty: never done that before. I'm still kinda new to it. |
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| 00:32.42 | samantha-- | what is the current consensus about an itunes replacement? is there one? |
| 00:32.52 | IsoLnCHiP | Marupa: As Mad_Marty said, and maybe run them within screen, that way you can still connect to them if you need to interact |
| 00:33.05 | Mad_Marty | the easiest thing is writing it into /etc/rc.local |
| 00:33.12 | Mad_Marty | that's a simple shell script |
| 00:33.41 | Mad_Marty | but otherwise have a look into /etc/init.d |
| 00:33.47 | Mad_Marty | there's a skeleton file and a README |
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| 00:34.07 | abrotman | samantha--: gnome or kde ? |
| 00:34.48 | samantha-- | abrotman: i'm currently using gnome but i'm not picky. |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | i think rhythmbox works with ipods |
| 00:35.13 | abrotman | though ... since i don't own an ipod .. i can't comment on how well |
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| 00:35.33 | samantha-- | lol ok. i switched my mac back to linux, so now need something to drive my ipod. |
| 00:37.02 | karsten | samantha--: amarok |
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| 00:37.37 | karsten | samantha--: ... I think. It's an iTunes replacement in most other regards at least. |
| 00:37.52 | samantha-- | will install it and see as well, ty |
| 00:38.31 | peleg | hmmm.. I really want to solve this one - is there a way, like umask, to make the files that are created by a user belong - by default - to a specific group? |
| 00:38.31 | karsten | also doesn't have an iPod. |
| 00:38.39 | peleg | at the moment any created file will be of group "peleg" |
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| 00:38.50 | peleg | and I can play with permissions using umask. |
| 00:38.54 | peleg | can I "play" with groups? |
| 00:40.29 | peleg | newgrp. |
| 00:40.38 | peleg | that's the solution, probably! |
| 00:41.47 | Deezire | Hm, is linux so much into groups as unix? |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | karsten: dunno .. i plugged in my brother's .. and rhythmbox just started working with it |
| 00:41.47 | Deezire | I thought it was just for compability that linux had groups. |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:42.05 | peleg | Deezire: what are you talking about?? |
| 00:42.08 | n0ah | Deezire: group ownership is a common feature in any os |
| 00:42.41 | Deezire | Okey, then i've missed out :p |
| 00:42.54 | peleg | Deezire: do you run a server? |
| 00:42.55 | Deezire | I know that groups are sentral in unix, but never used it at linux. |
| 00:42.56 | abrotman | n0ah: DOS had weird groups :) |
| 00:43.00 | Deezire | peleg: yeah |
| 00:43.06 | dryrot | how do i get apt-get to install packages without asking any questions? even with '-y' it asks some things like 'do i want to restart ssh' |
| 00:43.28 | abrotman | dryrot: some things will always ask .. but you can lower the debconf priority |
| 00:43.37 | dvs | Deezire: You've never used groups but you're using Debian? You'd have a hard time avoid using groups. |
| 00:43.39 | Deezire | Let me rephrase that. "I've never used it in linux" |
| 00:43.41 | peleg | hmm. www-data, svn, etc... if you want any users to be able to do the same stuff, without compromising on chmod 755/777 etc, you'll have to make them in the same group. |
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| 00:43.57 | Deezire | Aha, peleg. |
| 00:44.15 | jaggz2 | where do detected modems go? |
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| 00:44.58 | jaggz2 | I only see a failed VIA modem probe in dmesg.. but I installed an AirLink+ 56k v.92 modem .. how do I know if it's a winmodem or not anyway? |
| 00:45.16 | xsdg | jaggz2: google will likely tell you |
| 00:45.26 | jaggz2 | it hasn't yet |
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| 00:46.29 | dvs | jaggz2: http://www.airlinkplus.com/connections/aml001.html |
| 00:47.46 | Sazpaimon | mencoder: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavformat.so.51: undefined symbol: av_crc04C11DB7 |
| 00:47.59 | Sazpaimon | any idea how i can see why this is happening? |
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| 00:48.11 | abrotman | because the symbol isn't defined |
| 00:48.17 | jaggz2 | yeah, but what do they say if it's not all hardware? |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | !winmodem |
| 00:48.35 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: <winmodem-trick>, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 00:48.51 | dvs | jaggz2: The fact that the Quick Install manual requires you to install drivers tells me it's a software modem |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | jaggz2: the linmodem website has a test utility |
| 00:50.16 | jaggz2 | dvs, of course I thought about that -- but they may just mean settings, etc. because of the init/commands |
| 00:50.22 | jaggz2 | abrotman, perfect, thanks |
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| 00:52.03 | karsten | abrotman: rythembox == gnome? |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | uhm .. i think so .. definitely gtk |
| 00:52.50 | karsten | abrotman: Yep. At least that's what aptitude says. |
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| 00:53.05 | samantha-- | you know that winmodem thing is sad. i ran BBS's when US Robotics was cream of the crop for high quality, reliable modem technology. |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | you can still buy a USR hardware modem |
| 00:53.27 | dvs | samantha--: I have one |
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| 00:53.33 | karsten | dvs: There's a lot of crap that has you install stuff that's not necessarially "drivers", just some sort of control software, but yeah, likely. |
| 00:53.40 | dvs | USR5610B |
| 00:53.41 | samantha-- | yeah but why would you need one? ;-) |
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| 00:54.00 | dvs | samantha--: faxing |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | among other things |
| 00:55.22 | samantha-- | i guess. just outside of what i do normally i suppose. send a pdf attachment. |
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| 01:00.51 | jaggz2 | weird.. my system's showing a VIA '97 modem in it.. must be a motherboard thing -- yet there's no phoneline connector on the mb. Maybe they have an onboard connector |
| 01:04.00 | octox2 | Knorrie: iptraf is a cool program, thanks for the info |
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| 01:04.54 | WormFood | what is a better imap client than evolution? |
| 01:05.02 | Mad_Marty | telnet ^^ |
| 01:05.07 | Mad_Marty | I use claws-mail |
| 01:05.31 | WormFood | sadly, telnet isn't an imap client |
| 01:06.09 | Mad_Marty | its offline mode doesn't work as I would like, but otherwise it's find |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | !better |
| 01:06.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 01:06.34 | WormFood | by better, I mean something that actually works |
| 01:06.42 | abrotman | icedove? |
| 01:06.44 | abrotman | balsa? |
| 01:06.49 | Mad_Marty | mutt |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | does it have to be GUI ? |
| 01:06.55 | octox2 | yea, but i bet everyone can agree that Linux is better that non Linux |
| 01:06.58 | WormFood | I'm so fuckin' sick of evolution not working |
| 01:07.05 | Mad_Marty | octox2: no |
| 01:07.08 | octox2 | lol |
| 01:07.10 | abrotman | apt-cache search imap client |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | i'm so fuckin' sick of WormFood being lazy |
| 01:07.21 | WormFood | for days evolution hasn't downloaded any email (and I can see it on the server) |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:07.31 | abrotman | imap doesn't download |
| 01:07.41 | octox2 | Mad_Marty: no ? |
| 01:07.50 | WormFood | it does too download the email, when I view it |
| 01:07.55 | WormFood | but it won't even download the headers |
| 01:07.57 | octox2 | Mad_Marty: what can be better than Linux? |
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| 01:08.18 | peleg | I am running a script via ssh, and if the script contains umask 007 and then executing of another command, everything works properly. If I add, before the umask, the command "newgrp svn", then the ssh connection stuck in this stage |
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| 01:08.36 | peleg | I can see in top that "newgrp" is running - but it does not keep moving for some reason. |
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| 01:08.43 | peleg | should I put it on background? |
| 01:08.47 | peleg | (with &) |
| 01:09.03 | Mad_Marty | octox2: depends on what you want to do ;) |
| 01:09.46 | octox2 | Mad_Marty: lol, true |
| 01:10.00 | Mad_Marty | and that's what dpkg said *g* |
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| 01:19.47 | karsten | tans |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | reds |
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| 01:22.02 | karsten | rites |
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| 01:23.38 | karsten | What are ports 512 (exec), 513 (login), and 514 (shell)? |
| 01:24.19 | karsten | Oh. |
| 01:24.24 | karsten | hides his head in shame. |
| 01:24.25 | karsten | rlogin. |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:25.14 | karsten | Yeah, don't ask, don't tell. |
| 01:25.36 | karsten | Let's just say I'm strongly encouraging ssh here, and we may be winning folks over. |
| 01:25.39 | karsten | bbl |
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| 01:29.48 | markybob | amen |
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| 01:30.56 | markybob | abrotman, still hurts? i've never broken anything, so i dont know how long it's supposed to take to get decent :P |
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| 01:31.21 | abrotman | markybob: my first time :) .. i didn't know if it was broken or just bruised |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | markybob: and yes .. still sore |
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| 01:32.12 | markybob | abrotman, what state are you in? get some medicinal marijuana :P |
| 01:32.17 | BunnyRevolution | hi. i've created some debs using checkinstall. i used the flags --strip=no --stripso=no, and --addso=yes, however, it deb does not have all the dependencies. is there a better way to build a deb? |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | markybob: not possible |
| 01:32.33 | markybob | ah, shame. |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | i don't think anyway ... and i have other stuff they gave me that i'm not taking |
| 01:38.15 | stew | BunnyRevolution: /msg dpkg mg |
| 01:39.12 | peleg | is there a way using ssh to log into a machine as if you were a part of a different group (like using newgrp) ? |
| 01:39.40 | peleg | since ssh peleg@yogiley.org "newgrp groupname && the rest of the stuff" is not working... |
| 01:39.52 | Agiofws | http://agiofws.com |
| 01:40.16 | abrotman | Agiofws: don't do that |
| 01:41.09 | BunnyRevolution | thx stew |
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| 01:41.24 | fas3r | it's crazy i install samba .. freeradius down ... !!! ::: !! |
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| 01:50.51 | karsten | peleg: I think that the 'newgrp' command starts a new shell. |
| 01:50.59 | karsten | peleg: you might be able to execute a script. |
| 01:51.10 | peleg | karsten: yes, I also think so. |
| 01:51.16 | peleg | karsten: what do you mean? |
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| 01:52.51 | karsten | peleg: Hrm: 'id; newgrp <somenewgroup>; id' |
| 01:53.02 | karsten | peleg: ... the commands after 'newgrp' don't run. You're in a subshell. |
| 01:53.24 | peleg | right. but how can I make them run "inside" that subshell? |
| 01:53.42 | peleg | I am trying to do something as simple as ssh -vvv peleg@yogiley.org "newgrp svn && cd ~ && touch test5" |
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| 01:56.19 | Dewi | peleg: the newgrp man page says the environment is "like they just logged in", maybe you need to add something to an rcfile |
| 01:56.44 | peleg | Dewi: I think that it says that only if you use -l option |
| 01:58.33 | Dewi | peleg: sounds like you might need to go all the way to using 'su' or 'sudo' |
| 01:58.43 | Dewi | peleg: they give you more control over how the subshell is invoked |
| 01:58.52 | Dewi | peleg: but obviously the uid will change as well |
| 01:59.28 | peleg | Dewi: can I pass su via a non-interactive ssh session? it will stuck just as newgrp stuck, isn't it? |
| 01:59.34 | peleg | *won't it |
| 01:59.45 | Dewi | peleg: su has '--shell' |
| 01:59.59 | Dewi | peleg: so you could tell it to do something like bash -c 'cmd && cmd && cmd' |
| 02:00.03 | Dewi | (I think) |
| 02:00.28 | Dewi | makes no guarantee as to the security of any of it, but I'm not sure what you're trying to do |
| 02:00.44 | peleg | Dewi: so I'll tell you... |
| 02:00.59 | peleg | I have a script that modifies+creates files. |
| 02:01.16 | peleg | I didn't write the script, and I can't modify it or control it |
| 02:01.27 | peleg | that script should run via ssh. |
| 02:02.02 | peleg | if I do ssh peleg@yogiley.org "scriptname", it'll create these files with peleg user and peleg group |
| 02:02.10 | peleg | and with restrictive permissions as well. |
| 02:02.34 | Dewi | peleg: you could consider setuid'ing the script (this is of course impactful security-wise) |
| 02:02.36 | peleg | umask 007 helps me set the permissions right; I execute it before I execute scriptname |
| 02:03.03 | peleg | Dewi: I am not sure what does it mean "setuid'ing" |
| 02:03.19 | peleg | so ssh -vvv peleg@yogiley.org "umask 007 && cd ~ && touch test5" works |
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| 02:03.34 | peleg | but the same with newgrp won't, as we realized before |
| 02:03.38 | Dewi | peleg: you can set a property on an executable that causes it to always run as the owner of the file. iirc. I've never messed with it. |
| 02:04.04 | peleg | Dewi: but will it affect sub-scripts that run into it? |
| 02:04.13 | peleg | I meant: inside it |
| 02:04.23 | Dewi | I would have thought so, permissions are inherited |
| 02:04.54 | peleg | ok. |
| 02:05.22 | peleg | so, can I make the script run with the same default owner (the executor) but with different group? |
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| 02:05.38 | Dewi | I think so |
| 02:05.59 | peleg | I'll check about that. do you have a keyword to give me for my searches? |
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| 02:08.41 | peleg | setgid |
| 02:08.45 | enouf | peleg: have you tried the newgrp '-' option? |
| 02:08.59 | peleg | enouf: isn't it the same as newgrp -l ? |
| 02:09.24 | enouf | though, in my minimal attempts, the - option leaves one with less than full $PATH, or something odd |
| 02:10.19 | peleg | it still enters me to a "subshell" |
| 02:10.45 | enouf | indeed |
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| 02:11.41 | enouf | to fork a new one, you could, as mentioned look at things like sudo sh -c 'command ...' or similar, i guess |
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| 02:12.21 | peleg | what's good about forking a new one? |
| 02:12.46 | enouf | i thought you don't want a subshell |
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| 02:15.35 | peleg | enouf: oh, so I don't know what "forking" is |
| 02:15.37 | peleg | ... |
| 02:17.21 | markybob | do you understand what a fork in the road is? |
| 02:17.36 | abrotman | prefers a spork |
| 02:17.44 | markybob | assumes english might be a problem here) |
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| 02:18.34 | peleg | markybob: sure |
| 02:18.54 | markybob | peleg, same concept. the process goes a different way |
| 02:19.00 | peleg | hence I though that forking is just like opening a subshell |
| 02:19.08 | peleg | *thought |
| 02:20.17 | markybob | abrotman, i really wish they'd stop using maple bats :( |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | markybob: supposedly MLB is going to meet and possibly ban them |
| 02:20.46 | markybob | sure hope so |
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| 02:22.22 | enouf | peleg: maybe i'm using poor terminology, my apologies - i meant more like an 'equal' (new) user created process - however, i think you are correct concerning general use of the term 'forking', so my bad |
| 02:22.48 | enouf | ash ftw |
| 02:23.42 | enouf | i'm surprised nobody has gotten seriously mauled yet by a flying broken bat barrel |
| 02:23.44 | markybob | indeed. real men use ash :P |
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| 02:24.32 | Stalker` | rawr |
| 02:24.33 | peleg | well, there's a solution. |
| 02:24.37 | Stalker` | anyone have experience with viagraircd? |
| 02:24.48 | peleg | sg does the same as newgrp, without replacing the shell. |
| 02:24.52 | enouf | how;s that pitcher from Minn, that bobby abrieu clocked with the ball straight back into his .. er, nose/face .. it was a somewhat glancing blow thank goodness |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | enouf: actually .. a guy did .. got his face sliced up .. lost feeling/movement in his cheek/face |
| 02:25.15 | enouf | abrotman: yikes, how long ago? |
| 02:25.40 | Stalker` | bangs head against the wall |
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| 02:25.47 | markybob | i saw him on tv yesterday. he's doing ok...has a nice scar and still some swelling, as is to be expected |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | enouf: http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080602.wsptdeep2/GSStory/GlobeSportsBaseball/home |
| 02:26.48 | markybob | not nearly as funny as seeing that bird get hit by a pitch :P |
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| 02:26.53 | enouf | break any bones in face? i heard he didn't lose any teeth or go unconscious at all (i saw the event live at the time, but missed the followups) |
| 02:27.10 | markybob | enouf, yes, it broke |
| 02:27.22 | markybob | guy's damn lucky he's ok |
| 02:27.24 | enouf | markybob: ouch .. ok, abrotman thanks |
| 02:27.33 | enouf | markybob: yeah |
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| 02:28.17 | abrotman | enouf: i saw a longer story elsewhere .. can't recall whee |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | where |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | but you've got enough to google more |
| 02:28.55 | enouf | it's ok, no worries, and the yankee announcers are now talking about that event i mentioned .. heh |
| 02:29.21 | markybob | you're a yankee fan? i'm not sure we can be friends anymore :P |
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| 02:39.44 | enouf | heh .. i'm trying to eat over here :-p |
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| 02:40.33 | abrotman | apparently you have been for awhile |
| 02:41.47 | peleg | good night all! |
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| 02:42.26 | tzanger | good evening |
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| 02:42.59 | Stalker` | im about on fire |
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| 02:43.40 | tzanger | is there an easy-ish way for me to "cross compile" a kernel driver on a debian stable system for a debian stable system running 2.6.18-5-amd64? The debian stable system I have isn't amd64 at all, standard x86 |
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| 02:45.06 | wols_ | you'd need a crosscompiler |
| 02:46.05 | tzanger | I'm an old slackware user who's slowly coming around to the debian way... is there a "debian way" to do this? |
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| 02:50.28 | n3kl | How does /etc/motd keep getting populated? |
| 02:51.04 | wols_ | tzanger: there is no debian way to do a crosscompiler |
| 02:51.14 | tzanger | wols_: okay |
| 02:51.17 | tzanger | thanks :-) |
| 02:51.39 | wols_ | n3kl: via bootmisc.sh |
| 02:52.03 | n3kl | Ah |
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| 02:52.21 | n3kl | Also, what command do I need to use to set the blank time and other misc options at the console? |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | !blank |
| 02:52.32 | dpkg | a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh Also see <dpms> for X blanking |
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| 02:54.37 | n3kl | Oh yeah, setterm |
| 02:54.40 | n3kl | Thanks |
| 02:55.49 | fas3r | why when i do ifconfi i see ip in ipv6 format ? |
| 02:55.57 | fas3r | i do ifconfig* |
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| 02:59.25 | Onyx | I just did something stupid on accident, and need help reversing it... I did this command: "sudo mv tmproot/ /usr/lib/* /lib32" |
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| 03:02.56 | n3kl | Is there a way to change the scrollback lines at the console? |
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| 03:07.26 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the number, yes. |
| 03:08.21 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: how? |
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| 03:08.49 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: depends on the terminal |
| 03:09.06 | n3kl | No, the console. |
| 03:09.16 | n3kl | no X |
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| 03:14.55 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: not sure about the linux terminal; you can always just use screen, of course. |
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| 03:16.39 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: screen's scrollback is even worse, unless there is something I don't know about screen |
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| 03:18.15 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: screen's scrollback length is configurable. |
| 03:19.19 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: scrollback 10000; in your .screenrc, FE. |
| 03:21.07 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: news to me, thanks. I will have to set that up and find out what else I have been missing out on the screenrc |
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| 03:22.59 | dryrot | so i have a logical volume in a lvm partition, in ext3. i want to add more drive space to it. will i need to reformat the new larger partition ? |
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| 03:24.41 | enouf | lvextend, resize2fs? |
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| 03:28.50 | Seb | is there a tool to configure gnome/gtk settings in general ? |
| 03:29.06 | wols_ | gconf ? |
| 03:29.10 | stew | gnome-control-center? |
| 03:29.16 | Seb | stew: ah that's the one, yes |
| 03:29.29 | Seb | suddenly my GTK fonts have become huge :\ |
| 03:29.33 | Seb | stew: thanks a lot |
| 03:29.43 | stew | for gtk fonts, try switch2 |
| 03:29.47 | Seb | ah ? |
| 03:30.10 | Seb | stew: part of the same package ? |
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| 03:31.14 | lfs | Does Debian have lightscribe? |
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| 03:31.36 | xsdg | The installer on a machine I'm trying to install is complaining that "no kernel modules were found." I'm trying to install unstable from a Lenny amd64 netinst CD of unknown age which has kernel 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 03:31.59 | wols_ | xsdg: use etch installer or kmuto instead |
| 03:32.18 | xsdg | wols_: oh, wait, etch is more recent than lenny; duh |
| 03:32.20 | xsdg | thanks |
| 03:32.26 | markybob | no |
| 03:32.28 | wols_ | xsdg: no it's not |
| 03:32.43 | wols_ | but lenny is a beta installer with bugs. one like you just saw |
| 03:32.53 | stew | Seb: i don't think so, switch2 isn't gnome related |
| 03:33.04 | xsdg | wols_: aah, ok |
| 03:33.05 | n3kl | I have an lvm volume group that spans two disks, is it possible to remove one of these disks from the volume group without loosing data? |
| 03:33.05 | markybob | lenny installer hasnt used 2.6.22 in a long time. get a recent lenny installer or use kmuto |
| 03:33.14 | xsdg | wols_: I'm just really confused then |
| 03:33.30 | xsdg | markybob: I don't have control over what's on the CD; just which (of a couple CDs) I pick |
| 03:33.33 | dryrot | enouf: so i won't need to reformat the partition ? |
| 03:33.43 | xsdg | markybob: (basically, I'm installing a VM) |
| 03:33.44 | enouf | xsdg: use Etch/Stable , or if you need for newer hardware, "/msg dpkg etchnhalf" |
| 03:34.01 | enouf | dryrot: reformat?i really think not |
| 03:34.23 | lfs | So what about Lightscribe? |
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| 03:34.34 | enouf | xsdg: find out about releases; "/msg dpkg releases" |
| 03:35.04 | enouf | lfs: hrm, lightscribe burning thing-a-ma-jig? |
| 03:35.09 | markybob | lfs, please learn to google. "debian lightscribe" gives you the answer |
| 03:35.11 | lfs | That thing |
| 03:35.11 | enouf | lfs: not sure |
| 03:35.29 | enouf | offhand, that is |
| 03:35.50 | xsdg | enouf: huh? |
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| 03:36.45 | enouf | xsdg: you'd type that into your irc client |
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| 03:37.08 | xsdg | enouf: I'm curious why you're suggesting I use Stable |
| 03:38.01 | lfs | So I guess I have to backport it. |
| 03:38.06 | lfs | I never did that before. |
| 03:38.12 | enouf | xsdg: just because, recommended in general for newcomers, you can use testing/lenny for a desktop, but i guess it's better to upgrade from etch, if needed |
| 03:38.39 | enouf | xsdg: since, as someone mentioned, the other installer is in beta |
| 03:38.56 | xsdg | enouf: just for the record, I've been using Debian for ~9 years now |
| 03:39.02 | xsdg | I just haven't used the Lenny installer |
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| 03:40.44 | enouf | lfs: /msg dpkg package basics, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:42.33 | enouf | peleg: that 'sg' command is quite interesting, never knew about it |
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| 03:45.57 | lfs | THere is a deb for LIghtscribe. How to run a deb? |
| 03:46.03 | Remo-Con | 1. |
| 03:48.02 | lfs | Does it matter where the downloaded deb file is put? |
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| 03:50.08 | n3kl | lfs: dpkg -i $packagename |
| 03:50.10 | lfs | So all I have to do is click on the Deb file? |
| 03:50.24 | hatter | what do i use to have a removable usb hard drive auto mounted upon it being plugged in and detected ? |
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| 03:50.41 | lfs | You mess with the bios. |
| 03:50.58 | n3kl | hatter: hal can do it, but I think its going to be an extention of your desktop manager. You using gnome or kde? |
| 03:51.02 | markybob | wtf |
| 03:51.09 | markybob | no, it has nothing to do with the bios |
| 03:51.14 | markybob | lfs, man dpkg. dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:51.14 | n3kl | bios has nothing to do with it |
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| 03:51.22 | lfs | I thought he was booting from it. My bad |
| 03:51.23 | mmlj4 | anyone see a problem with my SSL? https://secure.redfishnetworks.com/apache2-default/ |
| 03:51.29 | hatter | n3kl, no desktop environment, cli |
| 03:51.42 | lfs | The lightscribe instructions say to just click on it. |
| 03:51.50 | n3kl | hatter: not sure there, but I think hal can do it. |
| 03:52.01 | lfs | My USB ports are automatically seen. |
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| 03:52.26 | hatter | lfs, yes they are automatically seen, but after being seen i want it mounted somewhere |
| 03:52.31 | n3kl | lfs: hatter is asking for them to be mounted |
| 03:53.21 | n3kl | hatter: google leads me to do more searching on autofs |
| 03:54.13 | enouf | hatter: usually udev and hal to all that, pmount, autofs, automount |
| 03:54.16 | xsdg | Is there anything to manually installing a udeb beyond `udpkg -i thepackage.udeb`? |
| 03:54.19 | enouf | !automount |
| 03:54.19 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 03:54.28 | Remo-Con | anyone's guess is as good as mine |
| 03:54.34 | enouf | s/to/do |
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| 03:54.52 | lfs | It looks like LIghtscribe does a good job of supporting Linux. Good for them. |
| 03:54.55 | Remo-Con | al the dogs are uu or bl i think |
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| 04:00.03 | debian2_6_24_1am | one thing that i have been unable to figure out is headphone jack sence for HDA nvidia |
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| 04:00.37 | markybob | nice when does nvidia make sound cards? |
| 04:00.41 | Remo-Con | why do i suck |
| 04:00.45 | Remo-Con | blah crap iv's |
| 04:01.43 | markybob | s/nice/since |
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| 04:06.08 | lfs | Double clicking on the deb file didnt work |
| 04:06.24 | markybob | i already told you how |
| 04:06.27 | debian2_6_24_1am | just says hda-intel hda nvidia |
| 04:06.55 | lfs | But the lightscribe instructions said to double click on it. |
| 04:07.00 | markybob | debhelper, i've had some problems with intel hda headphones. 2.6.25 seems to fix it here, though. |
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| 04:07.30 | markybob | lfs, dont ask us questions if you're not going to listen to our answers. |
| 04:07.41 | markybob | debian2_6_24_1am, that first one was for you :P |
| 04:07.50 | debian2_6_24_1am | thanks |
| 04:07.58 | lfs | Can you ever doubleclick on a deb file to get it to run? |
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| 04:09.55 | lfs | sudo doesn't use root password? |
| 04:10.04 | Remo-Con | she went off |
| 04:10.07 | lowlevel | well... no. |
| 04:10.15 | markybob | lfs, no. user's password |
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| 04:11.40 | lfs | amd64 is not compatible. |
| 04:11.45 | lfs | damn |
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| 04:14.43 | Natilous | Hi all,when I want to connect mysql , return this error:"ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)" how can I solve it ? |
| 04:14.47 | Remo-Con | i see how it is |
| 04:14.48 | Remo-Con | i'd vote randomly ^_^ |
| 04:16.04 | Natilous | there isn't "mysql.sock" in /tmp |
| 04:16.31 | Natilous | any help ? |
| 04:16.46 | liable | Remo-Con: who owns you? |
| 04:16.48 | SeveredCross | Natilous: Is MySQL running? |
| 04:17.00 | Natilous | SerajewelKS: yes ... |
| 04:17.50 | Pryon | Natilous: Restart mysql and retry? |
| 04:18.01 | Natilous | SeveredCross: I can connect to that with "mysqladministrator" in graphic mode . but in terminal I cam't ... |
| 04:18.37 | Natilous | Pryon: I restart that more ... and reinstall the pachages but not work ... ! |
| 04:18.45 | Remo-Con | do you have regigigas |
| 04:19.55 | Natilous | Remo-Con: me ? |
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| 04:20.11 | liable | Natilous: i think its a bot |
| 04:20.18 | liable | a stupid one at that |
| 04:21.10 | Natilous | liable: bot ??? what is it ? |
| 04:21.11 | Pryon | Natilous: how, exactly, are you attempting to connect? |
| 04:21.17 | Remo-Con | the plot makes |
| 04:21.17 | Remo-Con | since radio kimba can do it okay |
| 04:21.36 | liable | !ops Remo-Con annoying bot |
| 04:21.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: Remo-Con annoying bot |
| 04:21.51 | Natilous | Pryon:in terminal with root : " mysql -u root -p " |
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| 04:22.16 | liable | danke |
| 04:22.50 | Pryon | Natilous: Any chance you know what "ERROR 2002" is? |
| 04:23.02 | stew | nedankinde |
| 04:23.10 | Natilous | Pryon: I update my PC twe days ago from etch to lenny ... ! in etch worked |
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| 04:23.40 | ninjaslim | i have a desktop running Debian and it ticks pretty loudly, would the dynamic tick option in the kernel solve this issue |
| 04:24.06 | Natilous | Pryon: No . I don't know ... |
| 04:25.23 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: since your the screen master, do you know of a way to split vertically? |
| 04:26.56 | markybob | n3kl, http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/ |
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| 04:28.47 | n3kl | markybob: nice! |
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| 04:29.44 | Pryon | Natilous: does /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exist? |
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| 04:30.14 | Natilous | Pryon: yes ... |
| 04:30.32 | PythonNinja | is it possible to do the equivalent of apt-get purge [package] to a packge you've already removed? |
| 04:30.42 | Natilous | in my.cnf change the socket to that , but not work ... ! |
| 04:30.44 | Pryon | you may need to modify /etc/mysql/my.cnf and modify the path to the socket in the [client] sectoin |
| 04:30.56 | markybob | PythonNinja, dpkg --purge foo |
| 04:30.56 | Pryon | did you restart mysql after changing my.conf? |
| 04:31.09 | PythonNinja | markybob: champion, thanks |
| 04:31.11 | Natilous | Pryon: in my.cnf change the socket to that , but not work ... ! |
| 04:31.21 | Pryon | Natilous: did you restart mysql? |
| 04:32.02 | Natilous | sure.. "and restart my pc" :D |
| 04:32.43 | Pryon | Natilous: does 'ps -u mysql' return anything? |
| 04:33.18 | Natilous | Pryon: 2229 ? 00:00:02 mysqld |
| 04:34.14 | Pryon | Natilous: What are the permissions on /var/run/mysqld and the files within that directory? |
| 04:35.42 | Natilous | Pryon: -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 5 2008-06-04 09:04 mysqld.pid |
| 04:35.43 | Natilous | srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 2008-06-04 09:04 mysqld.sock |
| 04:36.09 | Natilous | Pryon: drwxr-xr-x for ~mysqld |
| 04:36.36 | Natilous | Pryon: Change it to 777 ? |
| 04:36.39 | Pryon | mysql.root is owner.group for /var/run/mysqld? |
| 04:37.26 | Natilous | Pryon: drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 2008-06-04 09:04 mysqld |
| 04:37.31 | Pryon | :/ |
| 04:37.39 | Pryon | Sorry, but I have no clue what else to check. |
| 04:38.25 | Natilous | Pryon: thanx a lot for your help ... ! |
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| 04:39.54 | xsdg | is there any way to tell how old an installer is from inside of the installer's shell? |
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| 04:41.11 | xsdg | err... scratch that. My installer is complaining about not being able to find kernel packages. I am able to find them manually in the repo for a kernel version that matches the one I'm running. How do I figure out what's up? (I turned on DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, but it just shows anna complaining about kernel packages) |
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| 04:41.26 | markybob | xsdg, ask the installer channel |
| 04:41.28 | xsdg | that is, it doesn't show specifically what anna tried to download or anything |
| 04:41.31 | xsdg | markybob: #d-i? |
| 04:41.45 | markybob | #debian-boot on oftc |
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| 04:51.52 | PsYcHoPa[T] | le arroja una bomba a [Cycne] __[ TNT ]-------`,'.- |
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| 04:52.22 | PsYcHoPa[T] | * * * * * * * * * ____________ |
| 04:52.22 | PsYcHoPa[T] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.22 | PsYcHoPa[T] | * * * * * * * * * ____________ miami |
| 04:52.22 | PsYcHoPa[T] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.22 | PsYcHoPa[T] | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.22 | PsYcHoPa[T] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:52.34 | mypapit | hey no wtf here |
| 04:52.36 | PsYcHoPa[T] | _¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯) <--- Ventoseate este |
| 04:52.36 | PsYcHoPa[T] | (_)_) _____________________ debhelper |
| 04:52.44 | xsdg | !ops PsYcHoPa[T] |
| 04:52.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xsdg complains about: PsYcHoPa[T] |
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| 04:53.00 | PsYcHoPa[T] | _¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯) <--- Ventoseate este |
| 04:53.00 | PsYcHoPa[T] | (_)_) _____________________ xsdg |
| 04:53.04 | PsYcHoPa[T] | jaojaoajoja |
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| 04:53.28 | nite613 | I've got an /etc/apache2 directory with nothing but config for apache-doc under it. I've tried reinstalling apache2 and apache2.2-common, but that didn't bring back the default config files |
| 04:53.30 | xsdg | LoRez: thanks |
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| 04:53.45 | nite613 | what do I do to get those default config files back? |
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| 04:54.09 | liable | nite613: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 04:54.17 | mmlj4 | nite613: uninstall all apache stuff, nuke the remaining files, then reinstall? |
| 04:54.19 | liable | apache-common is the package |
| 04:54.27 | liable | mmlj4: bad advice |
| 04:55.01 | mmlj4 | liable: i'm old-school, and like 2-by-fours |
| 04:55.06 | nite613 | liable: Looks good, thank |
| 04:55.48 | liable | mmlj4: problem is that it wouldnt work. |
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| 04:56.29 | nite613 | liable FTW, thanks again |
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| 04:56.36 | liable | yw |
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| 04:57.23 | Natilous | Pryon: I create a link from "/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" to "/tmp/mysql.sock" ...! it is work fine . |
| 04:57.36 | Natilous | Pryon: have a good day .. |
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| 05:04.18 | samantha-- | w00t got samba running over an openvpn tunnel. too frickin cool. |
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| 05:04.45 | markybob | samantha--, let's get married |
| 05:05.21 | samantha-- | markybob: guys have too much body hair. |
| 05:05.31 | markybob | cant argue with that :P |
| 05:05.44 | liable | can shave though |
| 05:05.49 | samantha-- | now if i could just find a better place to host my seedbox. =/ |
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| 05:07.35 | samantha-- | is there anywhere i can get a decent colo for 10mb unmetered for less than about $125/mo? |
| 05:08.18 | markybob | samantha--, i use server4you.net for dedicated servers. cheap and very good so far |
| 05:09.06 | samantha-- | markybob: my current is hosted at layeredtech.com ... but they just hit me with a 30% price increase for what's actually a pretty crappy machine, so i'm looking. not married to jumping, but def looking. |
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| 05:10.05 | markybob | samantha--, fyi, server4you has bandwidth "limits", but they dont actually meter it or charge you extra if you go beyond it. i've gone past the last 4 months and havent heard a damn thing |
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| 05:11.10 | samantha-- | i'm looking. |
| 05:11.42 | samantha-- | currently their bugaboo seems to be hard drive space. their 160g thing isn't large enough for what i do. |
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| 05:12.26 | markybob | yeah, i have raid 1 160gb, which for me is fine |
| 05:12.29 | samantha-- | and plesk is evil. :-) |
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| 05:13.00 | samantha-- | i do bittorrent of live dave matthews band concerts. since the 2008 summer tour just started, stuff is coming fast and furious. need lots of space. way lots. |
| 05:13.11 | markybob | samantha--, plesk is optional. i dont use it. they installed good with old debian etch without any bullshit |
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| 05:14.26 | samantha-- | how far over your allotment are you going? i currently run 9mb sustained, 24x7. i can imagine what it would be like on a 100mb pipe :-) |
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| 05:15.10 | markybob | samantha--, i'm using around 5GB on a 4GB plan |
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| 05:15.34 | samantha-- | oh. bah. i'm pushing 3.1T/mo |
| 05:15.43 | liable | eek |
| 05:16.10 | markybob | again, wanna get married? :P |
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| 05:16.43 | samantha-- | markybob: the inevitable results of my choice of contraception would bother you after a while, i imagine, if you're a true nerd. |
| 05:17.50 | hatter | hotplug is replaced by udev in etch ? |
| 05:17.58 | liable | yep |
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| 05:18.17 | hatter | there is /etc/hotplug directory |
| 05:18.23 | hatter | is that standard ? |
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| 05:19.10 | liable | appears to be. not much in it though. |
| 05:19.22 | hatter | ah, i see its not in another etch box i installed recently |
| 05:19.35 | hatter | odd |
| 05:19.56 | hatter | can hotplug work as well as udev ? |
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| 05:20.22 | hatter | i mean, installed at the same time |
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| 05:20.34 | liable | is it still available? |
| 05:20.41 | hatter | yes |
| 05:21.07 | liable | try it and see. why do you want hotplug though? |
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| 05:22.11 | hatter | well, i just want a usb disk to automount when detected |
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| 05:22.18 | hatter | i was just reading a way with hotplug |
| 05:22.28 | hatter | then realised hotplug is replaced by udev |
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| 05:22.46 | liable | udev will detect it, but not automount it |
| 05:22.57 | liable | didnt think hotplug did either |
| 05:23.07 | hatter | liable, it gets detected, but then you use autofs to mount it |
| 05:23.11 | liable | you want GVM or ivman or similar |
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| 05:24.20 | hatter | ah, gnome volume manager |
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| 05:24.25 | hatter | ok |
| 05:25.01 | hatter | ivman is not part of etch |
| 05:25.09 | liable | oh |
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| 05:26.09 | hatter | aaahhhhh |
| 05:26.41 | hatter | i am surprised that its not a straight forward thing...i keep thinking i am missing something... |
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| 05:28.21 | enouf | i showed you the automount factoid much earlier |
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| 05:29.43 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it okay to comment out the 'modes' lines in xorg.conf? I get a lot more resolution options in Grandr (Gnome applet using randr to switch resolution) if I do so. |
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| 05:30.39 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: yes. Your xorg.conf should be pretty sparse if you're using a modern x.org |
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| 05:31.22 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: I'm using xorg 7.1 from Debian Stable |
| 05:31.31 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Is that good enough ? |
| 05:31.53 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: stable's xorg should auto-sense most modes; |
| 05:32.10 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: it's not quite like lenny's though, which requires almost no xorg configuration |
| 05:32.15 | hatter | enouf, thx, I am missing something with autofs, ivman is not in debian and the other to are d-e based |
| 05:32.50 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Okay. I'm really looking forward to Lenny becoming stable then :) |
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| 05:34.31 | markybob | cubs win! |
| 05:34.44 | samantha-- | that's unusual. |
| 05:35.01 | markybob | heh |
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| 05:35.39 | samantha-- | my father-in-law was from boston the year the red sox won the series. that was also the year the cubs got very close to going; i pointed out that if both the sox and the cubs went in the same year, it meant that the apocolypse was coming. |
| 05:36.34 | markybob | samantha--, all i've ever hoped for was that they'd win within my lifetime. i'm still kicking :P |
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| 05:37.46 | samantha-- | markybob, there's a jewish congretation in evanston that has an open mic every year at the jewish new year, and for like 20 years one guy has been finishing off open mic with his take on whether or not god is a cubs fan. he's even published them in a couple of books -- is god a cubs fan? :-) |
| 05:37.51 | samantha-- | you can buy it on amazon |
| 05:38.54 | markybob | samantha--, if he is, he's a masochist :P |
| 05:40.04 | samantha-- | one year he described at some length his debate with himself that god might in fact be a woman, and if she were, what that would mean for the cubs :-) |
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| 05:40.54 | samantha-- | ah there it is, Is God A Cubs Fan?, and Is God Still a Cubs Fan, by Arnold (arnie) Kanter |
| 05:40.58 | markybob | that she's just now getting tired of getting the shit beat out of her? :P |
| 05:41.16 | samantha-- | well you know miracles do happen. just look at the 1969 mets. |
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| 05:41.48 | markybob | i'm still impressed at the fact that they havent had the #1 record in basebal going into june (as they do now) since 1908. |
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| 05:46.17 | Paulao | something strange happened... everytime i install linux on my other machine, my onboard network card stop working at linux and windows xp... that happend twice already... i was running windows xp fine over ther internet and local network... but after ive installed and boot into linux, my network is gone... cant be detected by windows or linux.... |
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| 05:46.54 | liable | odd |
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| 05:47.10 | liable | Paulao: have you tried toggling it in bios? |
| 05:47.11 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: I can't find any documentation telling me it is okay to remove the modes lines :-/ |
| 05:47.13 | samantha-- | get a card that doesn't suck. |
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| 05:48.45 | Paulao | liable yes.. im going to update my bios to see if it is a bios problem |
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| 05:49.11 | slackjr | hi all, i would like to know how can i install conflicting packages like ssmtp and postfix on the same machine.. |
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| 05:50.37 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Sorry, didn't read the 'man xorg.conf' carefully enough ("Specifying video modes is optional because the server now has a built-in list of VESA standard modes.") |
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| 05:51.26 | hatter | gnome-volume-manager does the automounting, but only if a user is logged into the session |
| 05:52.32 | enouf | Paulao: " everytime i install linux on my other machine" <-- other machine? |
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| 05:52.58 | samantha-- | ok so moving files over my samba share (that passes through an openvpn tunnel) ... works, but is dogshit slow, and so rsync is still preferred for raw movement. |
| 05:53.55 | hatter | samantha--, what speed are the links at each end ? |
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| 05:55.05 | samantha-- | hatter: 10mb at the server end, 3mb down at the client. with rsync, i get about 300k/sec down. anyway, i need the samba share for something else really anyway. |
| 05:55.19 | markybob | samantha--, you'd be hard pressed to find anything that beats rsync, since it uses binary diffs even |
| 05:56.03 | samantha-- | my big bugaboo is just that i have so many files and directories to move, and they're so frickin large |
| 05:56.22 | markybob | that makes rsync perfect. why are you even thinking of something else? |
| 05:56.27 | markybob | rsync -aP or something |
| 05:56.28 | hatter | maybe cygwin and rsync |
| 05:56.44 | markybob | there's even rsync for windows. iirc, it's called cwrsync |
| 05:56.55 | hatter | or better... rsync for windows... |
| 05:57.25 | samantha-- | markybob: try anonymous ftp to splitlips.goldblatt.net to see what i'm talking about. i've got n directories, and once transferred, i need to move them to another directory. but they're so large that when i get some downloaded, there are already more in place that need to be downloaded again. this is making coordination difficult. |
| 05:57.27 | hatter | how much paing was openvpn and samba to setup ? |
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| 05:58.07 | samantha-- | hatter: not. openvpn.net, the howto is good. once you have tun0 set up and assigned an IP address, bind samba only to that IP and you're golden. |
| 05:58.45 | hatter | nice, i am going to do it tomorrow at a customers premise |
| 05:59.03 | markybob | samantha--, the larger you make it out to be the most i want to yell out "dont use samba" |
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| 05:59.10 | markybob | s/most/more |
| 06:00.06 | samantha-- | markybob: for the raw transfer yeah i'm not going to be using samba. but doing a samba mount of the directory you're looking at (assuming you did the ftp) will help with a side-by-side comparison to see what i've downloaded and what i haven't. |
| 06:00.09 | tenzind | i am using lenny. when i insert my earphone the speaker doesnt mute. How do i configure that? |
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| 06:00.41 | markybob | tenzind, intel hda? |
| 06:00.56 | tenzind | markybob: yes |
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| 06:01.21 | markybob | tenzind, i had that same problem. working fine on 2.6.25.4, though. so i suggest you upgrade your kernel |
| 06:02.06 | tenzind | markybob: ok .. am on 2.6.24-1 right now |
| 06:02.31 | drs- | I was reading in the securing Debian manual about mounting /usr as read-only... is it possible i can mount most of my partitions like that? |
| 06:02.40 | enouf | ~$ modinfo snd-hda-intel doesn't show any useful parms? |
| 06:02.55 | markybob | drs-, sure. just edit /etc/fstab to include the options you want |
| 06:03.16 | samantha-- | drs-: depends on which partitions. root, no. /var? no. /home? not really. |
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| 06:03.34 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your help. Bye :) |
| 06:03.38 | enouf | any /boot, yes |
| 06:03.47 | markybob | you can techincally make it all read-only except /var/log and tmp |
| 06:03.47 | drs- | well i have /var/log and /var |
| 06:03.47 | DanDare | Hello all. I know how to change (or set), the default windowmanager under etch. But cant get it working using vncserver. Someone knows how to set vncserver to launch specific window manager? |
| 06:03.55 | enouf | any /tmp? i wouldn't :-p |
| 06:03.59 | drs- | so i could mount /var/log with write access yes? |
| 06:04.09 | markybob | drs-, you should, yes |
| 06:04.09 | samantha-- | drs- if you want logging, yes. |
| 06:04.11 | enouf | sounds like *buntu |
| 06:04.13 | tenzind | enouf: shows a bunch of params |
| 06:04.13 | drs- | then /var with no write access? |
| 06:04.33 | enouf | tenzind: well, you'd have to see if any apply, not sure, don't have that |
| 06:04.40 | markybob | drs-, depends on what you use. for example, squid uses /var for its cache, etc |
| 06:04.51 | samantha-- | drs- what else are you doing with this box? mail? /var read-only is bad when you have mail. squid uses it as well. |
| 06:05.09 | drs- | I am not running any services like that atall |
| 06:05.17 | drs- | this will just be my desktop pc |
| 06:05.36 | drs- | but im very interested in making it as secure as i can |
| 06:05.49 | samantha-- | the real question becomes, why do you want to? mounting /usr as read-only makes it real hard to do things like update your software. |
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| 06:06.20 | drs- | samantha-- when i need to do an upgrade i can remount tho correct? |
| 06:06.30 | enouf | don't print queues and spools need /var rw? |
| 06:06.43 | markybob | enouf, yes |
| 06:07.01 | markybob | enouf, like we said, depends on what he's doing/wants :P |
| 06:07.11 | enouf | gotcha, ok .. indeed |
| 06:07.17 | simonrvn | /var == variable data ... |
| 06:07.23 | drs- | well all i know is my system was recently broken into.. i didnt like that too much... |
| 06:07.30 | simonrvn | read the fhs |
| 06:07.31 | samantha-- | drs i'd imagine so. but the question becomes, why? i.e., what are you securing against? yourself? your own stupidity? your children's nimble fingers? it might be better to weigh the effort you're going to go to, and the potential damage you'll cause yourself if you screw this up, against the real security threat you think you're facing. |
| 06:08.00 | markybob | drs-, your desktop got broken into? really? |
| 06:08.05 | drs- | yes it did |
| 06:08.08 | samantha-- | how was it compromised? |
| 06:08.35 | drs- | i havent the slightest but i do know... that when i ran rkhunter i had well over 80 warnings |
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| 06:08.50 | drs- | it wasnt like that two weeks ago |
| 06:08.55 | drs- | so ive just reinstalled |
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| 06:09.08 | markybob | which warnings? |
| 06:09.17 | drs- | used unhide also and had a bunch of hidden processes |
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| 06:09.36 | drs- | well most of my programs like cat top all of those |
| 06:09.39 | enouf | drs-: /var/log/auth.* .. you can use a tool like rcconf to disable any services from ever starting you don't use until you need them, ssh, portmap, avahi-daemon, rsync, etc etc .. as the harden-doc basically mentions, lsof | egrep 'LIST|ESTAB' and netstat -tunap will show you |
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| 06:10.19 | enouf | drs-: many other tools as well, like sysv-rc-conf to plain old update-rc.d, to denyhosts for ssh bruteforce protection, etc |
| 06:10.21 | markybob | you can do a lot to protect your system without being too anal. such as installing deflate (http://deflate.medialayer.com/) and fail2ban |
| 06:10.31 | enouf | drs-: iptable rules ... and so on |
| 06:10.59 | samantha-- | the upside to that sort of thing is that it keeps the rest of your machine relatively usable. mounting your entire system read-only really kinda limits its utility. |
| 06:11.22 | drs- | i understand that.. |
| 06:11.53 | markybob | drs-, also, use blowflish instead of md5 |
| 06:12.05 | simonrvn | the most important part is a very good password. |
| 06:12.06 | markybob | (libpam-unix2) |
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| 06:13.01 | simonrvn | easily guessed, simple passwords are useless. you might as well not have one. |
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| 06:13.27 | drs- | no i use difficult passwords |
| 06:13.48 | samantha-- | is there a (relatively) simple tool that will compare two directories and tell me what's on the source side that's not on the target side? |
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| 06:14.31 | markybob | samantha--, for something like that, you might wanna think about just using svn. `svn status` or `svn diff` would really help you out |
| 06:15.00 | blahdeblah-lap | Hi. If i want to use a USB hard disk as UDF format (so that it can be used on Windows as well), is there a specific partition type that i should use? |
| 06:15.08 | simonrvn | rsync in no-do mode? unison? |
| 06:15.19 | samantha-- | blahdeblah-lap, format fat32 on windows. |
| 06:15.23 | simonrvn | (same, simulation mode, if it has one) |
| 06:15.35 | blahdeblah-lap | samantha--: I don't want FAT32, i want UDF |
| 06:15.35 | markybob | svn also runs on windows (server and client) |
| 06:15.44 | samantha-- | why? |
| 06:16.45 | samantha-- | oh wait, hard disk, not thumb drive. okay. format fat32 in linux. :-) |
| 06:17.05 | blahdeblah-lap | samantha--: It is my client's requirement to use UDF. |
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| 06:17.51 | blahdeblah-lap | I suspect this is so that procedures can be the same whether they use standard USB drives, Rev drives, or DVD-RWs |
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| 06:19.38 | samantha-- | is udf even possible on hard drives? strikes me as stupid. |
| 06:20.22 | markybob | it's definitely not smart, but it is possible :P |
| 06:20.38 | blahdeblah-lap | Is there something particularly unsmart about it? |
| 06:20.50 | markybob | it was designed for optical media? |
| 06:20.53 | blahdeblah-lap | It doesn't strike me as obvious, but reasonable. |
| 06:21.35 | blahdeblah-lap | What the client is really after, i think, is a file system that can be read from either Linux or Windows, and supports hard links. Doesn't leave many options... |
| 06:21.37 | samantha-- | yeah there's that whole "it's not meant for that" thing. |
| 06:21.52 | DanDare | talking off security. Im just still learning how Debian works... Like im looking into this right now and see that Samba is broadcasting at ports 137 and 138 on my external interface. Will Samba ever use these same ports? Like i can set some iptables rule blocking those specific ports from being showing trought external interface? |
| 06:21.59 | DanDare | or my question is just bullshit ? |
| 06:22.23 | samantha-- | DanDare: If you're not using Samba, just shut it down. |
| 06:22.35 | DanDare | samantha--, im using Samba but just at LAN |
| 06:22.55 | markybob | DanDare, it's somewhat bullshit, since smb doesnt go beyond your local lan |
| 06:23.16 | DanDare | ok thanks |
| 06:23.21 | samantha-- | DanDare: if you want samba to bind only to a specific IP address, you can set that up in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 06:23.48 | DanDare | ok samantha--> i will try this thanks |
| 06:24.16 | samantha-- | markybob, not really true, if he's got an unfirewalled interface onto the open net and samba is listening to it, browsing might not work but anybody could connect to it |
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| 06:24.49 | markybob | samantha--, no route will ever forward smb traffic. it wouldnt happen |
| 06:24.54 | markybob | s/route/router |
| 06:25.07 | DanDare | samantha-- i think its the case because netstat show smdb ports opened at external interface |
| 06:25.14 | DanDare | o.O |
| 06:25.25 | samantha-- | DanDare: Then fix smb.conf to not bind to that interface. simple enough. |
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| 06:25.33 | samantha-- | markybob: netbt? |
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| 06:26.39 | markybob | samantha--, by default? no. if he was using netbt, he'd know about it |
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| 06:28.37 | DanDare | if i just set 'allow hosts = ' with LAN hosts i want im done ? |
| 06:28.47 | DanDare | sorry, im talking about smb.conf |
| 06:29.33 | samantha-- | DanDare: interfaces = |
| 06:29.42 | samantha-- | also the next option, bind interfaces only = yes |
| 06:29.48 | DanDare | "; interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth0" this is bad since eth0 is my external interface right ? |
| 06:30.01 | samantha-- | well first it's commented, so it's actually ignoring that line |
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| 06:30.17 | samantha-- | so uncomment, then fix (yes, you'd want to change/remove eth0) |
| 06:30.24 | samantha-- | then /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 06:30.39 | DanDare | or maybe "; interfaces = 127.0.0.0/8 eth1" that´s internal interface |
| 06:30.49 | samantha-- | remove the semicolon |
| 06:31.21 | samantha-- | also enable the next option like i told you as well |
| 06:31.22 | DanDare | remove semicolon or put an # before ? |
| 06:31.29 | DanDare | damn noob questions |
| 06:32.00 | samantha-- | remove semicolon. |
| 06:32.12 | samantha-- | both ; and # make samba totally ignore the line |
| 06:32.16 | samantha-- | which is not what you want |
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| 06:32.38 | enouf | like .bat files :-P |
| 06:32.39 | DanDare | ok.... |
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| 06:34.03 | simonrvn | DanDare: noob, and n00b, and there's nothing wrong with not know anything/much about this stuff |
| 06:34.33 | simonrvn | we were all newbies at one point |
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| 06:34.37 | DanDare | yeah i know simonrvn anyway i am :p |
| 06:34.44 | samantha-- | except me. i was born knowing this shit. |
| 06:34.50 | DanDare | cool |
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| 06:34.56 | samantha-- | oh wait no |
| 06:34.57 | samantha-- | i was hatched |
| 06:35.03 | simonrvn | doubts that ;) |
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| 06:35.31 | DanDare | it worked :) |
| 06:35.53 | markybob | her and i actually got married 30 seconds ago. |
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| 06:36.22 | samantha-- | DanDare, many programs have options that will allow you to configure specifically which addresses they listen to. that's usually easier if it's sufficient to your need than jacking with iptables or hosts.allow and hosts.deny. |
| 06:36.37 | samantha-- | there's that whole consummating-the-marriage hurdle to get over tho. |
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| 06:36.43 | DanDare | samantha-- yeah agreed 100% |
| 06:36.55 | markybob | :P |
| 06:37.25 | samantha-- | too bad rtorrent's docs are so frickin' bad ... it's an awesome client (for my needs). |
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| 06:38.12 | markybob | samantha--, ouch. was that really not intentional? do you not know what i'm the lead developer of deluge? |
| 06:38.15 | DanDare | actually i have nothing (that my eyes can see at least) binded to the external interface, sounds good |
| 06:39.04 | DanDare | binded to port is different than listen on port ? |
| 06:39.15 | samantha-- | markybob: you'll get some pussy if you'll tell me that deluge can meet my needs. :-) i went with rtorrent because It Worked. :-) |
| 06:39.43 | markybob | samantha--, heh :) i'm sure it can. it can run headless, which is the only reason i can see to use rtorrent in the first place |
| 06:40.18 | samantha-- | markybob: ncurses interface. |
| 06:40.25 | markybob | samantha--, yes, we have that, too |
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| 06:41.08 | samantha-- | markybob: the feature i don't have in rtorrent atm that i REALLY want is being able to, from the client, move a completed download from ~original-target-dir to ~new-target-dir, without stopping seeding and having to screw around with re-linking to the torrent |
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| 06:41.50 | markybob | samantha--, we have that, with the "move torrent" plugin, but unfortunately that's currently only available in the gtkui :( |
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| 06:41.57 | DanDare | bind to port is like broadcasting a service and listen to port is like you can came to see if works? |
| 06:42.43 | DanDare | err* bind to port is like advising something? listen is just "im here opened if you wanna try" ? |
| 06:43.05 | samantha-- | markybob: hrm. well, vnc is possible but imo suboptimal. running X seems overkill for what i'm doing. |
| 06:43.21 | markybob | agreed |
| 06:44.06 | samantha-- | markybob, the other feature rtorrent has that i really like is the watch directory. i guess most clients have this now. i dump a torrent in this directory, and it automatically loads it and starts downloading. since i download torrents to my local machine and then scp them into the watch dir batch, this is very useful |
| 06:44.39 | markybob | samantha--, yes, we have that |
| 06:45.27 | samantha-- | DanDare: a "port" is essentially a numeric identifier that's part of the tcp/ip protocol that, in part, identifies what protocol is expected to be at a given location. for example, ssh usually operates on port 22. something operating on port 22 should usually be ssh. |
| 06:45.57 | DanDare | yeah this i know yet |
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| 06:46.48 | samantha-- | DanDare: Only one program can bind to a given port at a given time, and this is how a given program knows that a given packet coming in off the wire is intended for it. so i can have ssh on 22, ftp on 21, and smtp on 25 all on the same machine, all with the same ip address, yet all handled correctly, because each program has bound to its specific port and ignores the rest |
| 06:46.53 | DanDare | web ports confuses me tought, web browsing deal with a large range of ports as i can see starting somewhat near 1133 |
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| 06:47.43 | samantha-- | DanDare, ports are used for both incoming and outgoing connections, random outgoing connections can be opened by any program on any port above 1024; so your web browser may have indeed opened a bunch of ports the last time you downloaded a web page and has not yet closed them. |
| 06:47.47 | DanDare | ok.. i understand now what 'bind' means, thanks |
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| 06:48.26 | samantha-- | markybob: i'll take a look. |
| 06:48.26 | DanDare | samantha-- so its ok having all those ports free for outgoings ? |
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| 06:49.09 | samantha-- | DanDare: Generally speaking, yes. |
| 06:49.11 | DanDare | i was willing about block common outgoing ports commonly used by trojans and other makwares... but maybe this cant work this way |
| 06:49.19 | markybob | heads to bed |
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| 06:49.39 | samantha-- | markybob: Don't do anything I wouldn't do. |
| 06:49.48 | DanDare | word |
| 06:49.58 | samantha-- | DanDare: The problem is that non-malware can also use those ports for outgoing connections. |
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| 06:50.11 | DanDare | yeah :( |
| 06:50.45 | DanDare | well time to go bed. I hope when i wakeup tomorrow the imagemagick 'convert' is finished without any core dump.. Its 4 hours already converting and resizing an 3,98 TIF image to JPEG |
| 06:50.54 | DanDare | so sweet if it can finish this without any crash |
| 06:51.14 | DanDare | *3,98Gb TIF |
| 06:51.20 | DanDare | its just crazy |
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| 06:51.54 | DanDare | thanks for the tips samantha-- have a good night |
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| 06:57.54 | |Ryan52 | Is there a way to make the screen session name be the title? (by title, I mean the titlebar on my xterm) |
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| 06:59.58 | prolefeed | hi! when i try to use alt as a meta-key in xterm it converts the keystrokes to unicode characters, like alt+2 is the symbol for the power of two, etc. anyone know how i can make xterm treat alt as a meta key? |
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| 07:00.17 | |Ryan52 | prolefeed: xterm does that. use rxvt or something. |
| 07:00.44 | prolefeed | ah, okay, thanks |
| 07:01.02 | prolefeed | that was going to be my next question, recommendation for another terminal app :D |
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| 07:01.37 | |Ryan52 | prolefeed: rxvt-unicode is what I use |
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| 07:02.08 | rice | join #xmms2 |
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| 07:02.27 | rice | lol ? slipped |
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| 07:04.23 | prolefeed | i like it, nicer font than the vanilla brand rxvt |
| 07:04.33 | prolefeed | thanks again |
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| 07:05.18 | herua1 | hi |
| 07:05.26 | herua1 | I have a big big problem... |
| 07:05.29 | herua1 | :( |
| 07:05.41 | dimir | ;(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( |
| 07:05.46 | herua1 | http://paste.debian.net/5148/ |
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| 07:06.20 | |Ryan52 | herua1: oh. |
| 07:06.29 | |Ryan52 | herua1: what debian are you running? |
| 07:06.34 | rice | proxy ? |
| 07:07.07 | herua1 | lenny |
| 07:07.29 | herua1 | I tried to remove apache2: http://paste.debian.net/5149/ |
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| 07:07.36 | herua1 | :'( |
| 07:07.40 | |Ryan52 | herua1: its not apache2 |
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| 07:09.30 | herua1 | |Ryan52: what could it be? it's a fresh install on lenny, I've only upgraded with apt-get, usually daily |
| 07:09.46 | |Ryan52 | herua1: its something wrong with debconf. Just for the fun of it, try with aptitude. |
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| 07:10.08 | |Ryan52 | herua1: (just replace apt-get with aptitude) |
| 07:10.51 | herua1 | |Ryan52: umh, no... it's the same |
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| 07:11.09 | |Ryan52 | herua1: file a bug against debconf, maybe? |
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| 07:14.49 | herua1 | |Ryan52: what if I try to replace manually debconf files from a working lenny? |
| 07:15.58 | |Ryan52 | herua1: Its trying to install a new version of debconf. And the debconf scripts that run after installation are messing up. (In a very bad way) |
| 07:16.29 | |Ryan52 | herua1: can you pastebin 'apt-cache policy debconf'? |
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| 07:16.57 | kuzgun | anybody have a problem with w3m package in lenny/sid? Setting up w3m (0.5.2-1) ... |
| 07:16.57 | kuzgun | update-alternatives: unknown argument `--quiet' |
| 07:16.59 | slxix | good evening |
| 07:17.14 | |Ryan52 | ugh. lenny is starting to scare me. |
| 07:17.29 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: file a bug against the w3m package. The mainainers made a mistake |
| 07:18.03 | kuzgun | yes I looked at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=w3m&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable but I could not see anything |
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| 07:18.23 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: actually...that option is valid in an up to date lenny. |
| 07:18.42 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: what version of dpkg do you have installed? |
| 07:18.51 | kuzgun | my system is up to date |
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| 07:19.04 | slxix | do you have anything funny in your sources.list? |
| 07:19.10 | herua1 | |Ryan52: http://paste.debian.net/5150/ |
| 07:19.13 | kuzgun | dpkg --version |
| 07:19.13 | dpkg | kuzgun: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 07:19.13 | kuzgun | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.19 (i386). |
| 07:19.42 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: 'apt-cache show dpkg' is how you do it when talking on #debian. |
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| 07:20.24 | Sazpaimon | anyone here use aacplusenc from debian-multimedia? |
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| 07:20.33 | Sazpaimon | its giving me files that canot play in vlc |
| 07:20.33 | kuzgun | oh I didn't know ok |
| 07:20.55 | |Ryan52 | !tell Sazpaimon about somebody |
| 07:21.04 | liassist | hey, i wnated to know of i coud run any debian distro on my laptop "SMOOTHLY" a swapping is ok (winxp does 566mb of swapping so its not a problem) (my system is 256mb ram 1.4ghz processer and 64mb vram) and i also i want a nice and good DE and WM with menu's and all stuff like gnome |
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| 07:21.10 | |Ryan52 | !tell Sazpaimon about anybody |
| 07:21.12 | |Ryan52 | oops... |
| 07:21.35 | slxix | liassist: i think 'smoothly' would depend on your graphics card. |
| 07:21.39 | anoHito | hello |
| 07:21.49 | jelly-home | liassist: I'd suggest double RAM for Gnome + any apps |
| 07:21.50 | liassist | slxix, 64mb vram |
| 07:21.52 | |Ryan52 | herua1: I would file a bug. |
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| 07:22.13 | liassist | i dont want gnome |
| 07:22.34 | Sazpaimon | |Ryan52, i gave you my issue with it |
| 07:22.45 | Sazpaimon | its giving me files that cannot be played in VLC |
| 07:22.51 | Sazpaimon | using a wav that CAN be played in VLC |
| 07:23.02 | |Ryan52 | Sazpaimon: sorry... |
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| 07:23.40 | Sazpaimon | Im about to try Nero's own encoder and see if I have any luck with that |
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| 07:24.20 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: hrm...with that version of dpkg, --quiet works for me... |
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| 07:24.34 | anoHito | laughs |
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| 07:25.08 | kuzgun | http://rafb.net/p/7ot3kU24.html |
| 07:26.03 | slxix | liassist: my laptop is using 500mb of memory according to 'free' and i'm using wmii + firefox. |
| 07:26.22 | slxix | s/firefox/firefox-bin/ :) |
| 07:26.44 | jelly-home | slxix: firefox 2 or 3? |
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| 07:27.34 | slxix | jelly-home: 2 |
| 07:27.39 | vlt | Hello. On two Debian machines connected to two different networks bind9 can't resolve "pastebin.ca" and logs "lame server resolving 'pastebin.ca' (in 'pastebin.ca'?): 67.15.119.40#53". Any idea why? |
| 07:27.39 | liassist | ok guys thankx |
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| 07:27.48 | Sazpaimon | alright, nero's proprietary encoder worked fine |
| 07:28.11 | Sazpaimon | I guess I'll stick with that then |
| 07:28.19 | jelly-home | slxix: 3 is supposedly much better with memory usage |
| 07:28.22 | kuzgun | |Ryan52: http://rafb.net/p/V651Sp44.html |
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| 07:30.07 | slxix | jelly-home: i'm not saying firefox + wmii are using 500mb, the whole system is only using that much. those are the two most notable X programs i'm running at the moment. :) |
| 07:30.56 | nurulwai | xorg starts eating a lot of CPU when there's something animated onscreen (ie: a rapidly animating gif image or a flash video). Is this because my graphics cards are crap or is it just what xorg does? |
| 07:31.29 | slxix | what graphics card do you have? |
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| 07:31.55 | NetNiet | slxix: A linmux box will alway grap as mutch mem as it can take for caching ... It will give up the cache if a other prog needs mem |
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| 07:32.01 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: I am confused. We have the same version of update-alternatives installed and yet ours are acting very differently...try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall dpkg"? |
| 07:32.29 | |Ryan52 | kuzgun: and then try w3m again. |
| 07:32.34 | nurulwai | slxix: a GeForce 2 MX200 and an ATI Radeon M6. |
| 07:32.35 | kuzgun | ok |
| 07:33.28 | slxix | NetNiet: I'd give a more accurate answer, but I don't know how to accurately measure how much memory a process is using. |
| 07:34.02 | kuzgun | same |Ryan52 |
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| 07:34.27 | |Ryan52 | beats me! :P |
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| 07:35.41 | slxix | nurulwai: how much CPU gets eaten when you run flash? |
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| 07:37.22 | NetNiet | slxix: vmstat can come handy |
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| 07:39.26 | samantha-- | ok this is pissing me off. Xvncserver is running, but not starting a wm. wtf? modifying ~/.xsession doesn't seem to matter. it doesn't seem to be running ~/.xinitrc. wtf? |
| 07:39.33 | kuzgun | |Ryan52: I think its my bad so sorry I realised that I have two update-alternatives binary with the same version the second one should be come with a toolchain under /usr/local/bin, but somehow the one under /usr/sbin is the proper one I think? |
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| 07:39.44 | nurulwai | slxix: Generally, all of it :-) |
| 07:39.56 | nurulwai | slxix: About 18-25% by firefox, and the rest by xorg. |
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| 07:40.05 | nurulwai | slxix: Animated gifs cause a similar reaction |
| 07:40.25 | nurulwai | I can't imaging that xorg is so poor it can't handle animated graphics so it's gotta be something related to my setup. |
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| 07:41.48 | slxix | 45%CPU/firefox-bin 4%CPU/Xorg from 'top' for me when i run flash. My CPU is Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2370 @ 1.73GH with a Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller. |
| 07:42.27 | Maliuta | percentages are all relative |
| 07:42.45 | slxix | relative to the CPU, right? |
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| 07:43.55 | Maliuta | is the cpu running at 1.73? or has it speedsteped lower? |
| 07:44.06 | Maliuta | how many cycles is it really chewing |
| 07:44.34 | nurulwai | slxix: Thanks for confirming that. ;-) |
| 07:44.37 | slxix | that's a good point. it's at 800MHz. |
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| 07:45.06 | nurulwai | slxix: My xorg has a problem then. Now to work out whether it's the nvidia card or the ati card being a bitch. |
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| 07:49.12 | samantha-- | on a vncserver, where do i control what programs are started when X boots? i.e., how it loads a wm? right now all i'm getting is a grey screen and X cursor, no wm |
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| 07:50.58 | \amethyst | samantha--: ~/.vnc/xstartup --- see man vncserver |
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| 07:52.42 | samantha-- | \amethyst, would be great if modifying it produced any difference. =/ |
| 07:53.44 | \amethyst | samantha--: did you restart the server? |
| 07:53.52 | samantha-- | you know your table sucks when you need a mouse pad for your optical mouse. |
| 07:54.08 | slxix | is your table glass? :) |
| 07:54.19 | samantha-- | slxix, no, it's white |
| 07:55.33 | Tr0gdor | whats the difference between 686 and 486? |
| 07:55.40 | samantha-- | \amethyst, aye. |
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| 07:55.52 | slxix | Tr0gdor: a decade |
| 07:56.04 | \amethyst | Tr0gdor: the 486 kernels don't have support for SMP or >1GB |
| 07:56.06 | slxix | ..or 2.. |
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| 07:56.12 | samantha-- | Tr0gdor, the types of computers it'll run on. eg, the 686 will not run on a 386, 486, Pentium/PPro chip. |
| 07:56.42 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I add an applet to a panel using shell scripting ? |
| 07:56.42 | Tr0gdor | well debian gave me a choice of 486 or 686 |
| 07:56.42 | Jemt | What I want is to install an applet on 50-100 computers, and it's much easier if I could automate the process somehow |
| 07:56.51 | Tr0gdor | and i have 4GB of ram and 2 processors lol |
| 07:57.01 | samantha-- | Tr0gdor, well then your choice should be obvious. |
| 07:57.12 | Tr0gdor | but nothing is newer than 686 though right? |
| 07:57.23 | \amethyst | Tr0gdor: amd64 is, if you want a 64-bit kernel |
| 07:57.24 | samantha-- | Tr0gdor, not for stock kernels. |
| 07:57.31 | samantha-- | oh yeah that. |
| 07:57.52 | \amethyst | Tr0gdor: actually, you might want -686-bigmem |
| 07:58.08 | \amethyst | Tr0gdor: without the -bigmem kernel you'll only be able to access slightly more than 3GB |
| 07:58.10 | Tr0gdor | installer didnt give me that choice |
| 07:58.18 | \amethyst | Tr0gdor: you can install it later |
| 07:58.18 | slxix | Jemt: your question is too ambiguous to answer. |
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| 08:00.05 | nurulwai | Actually, another xorg related question. A while ago (soon after xrandr12) I updated it. turns out that one of my drivers supported xrandr12 and the other one didn't. And rather than doing anything intelligent it just sefaulted, so I had to downgrade to before xrandr12. is this fixed now? |
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| 08:00.41 | ska-fan | How do I dist-upgrade and have openssh-server not warn me about the blacklisted key thing? I.e. I have a script that sets up a machine in openvz from scratch and I want it to dist-upgrade. |
| 08:00.45 | ska-fan | unattended |
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| 08:01.08 | samantha-- | every time i restart the server, it overwrites ~/.xsession with a default (that doesn't get invoked anyway apparently). wtf??? |
| 08:01.54 | sep | ska-fan, fix the key before updating ? |
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| 08:02.35 | ska-fan | sep, ok, what do I do with the next warning / fyi if the next package update? |
| 08:03.32 | sep | ska-fan, is it waarning about a spesific bad key, or just general warning ? |
| 08:03.47 | \amethyst | ska-fan: you can use dpkg-preconfigure to do it |
| 08:03.51 | sep | for unattending you can use the noninteractive frontend |
| 08:04.03 | \amethyst | ska-fan: err, that's not it |
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| 08:04.39 | ska-fan | sep: is that to dpkg or to apt? |
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| 08:07.39 | samantha-- | what pisses me off most about this is i can't see how this user's configuration differs from another user's configuration on the same box that works |
| 08:07.49 | SparFux | What's the way to configure timezone in debian? My aptitude says timezoneconf package is obsolete. |
| 08:08.05 | samantha-- | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 08:08.31 | SparFux | ah. Ok, then I remove the timezoneconf package. |
| 08:09.08 | ia64 | guys, some batch assistance would be great. how do I move *_b.jpg to /home/back/*.jpg (no _b) |
| 08:10.04 | slxix | ia64: don't you mean 'mv *_b.jpg /home/back/' ? |
| 08:10.26 | ia64 | slxix: sort of, but I want the _b removed, i.e. foo_b.jpg => foo.jpg |
| 08:11.09 | ska-fan | echo "openssh-server ssh/vulnerable_host_keys note" | debconf-set-selections |
| 08:11.11 | slxix | oh. i'm not very good at shell scripting like that. i'd google for something similar. :) |
| 08:11.18 | ska-fan | that did it :) |
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| 08:14.53 | fluxdude | when doing an apt-get upgrade what is the reason for "The following packages have been kept back"? |
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| 08:16.40 | slxix | fluxdude: it tells you the reason. |
| 08:16.59 | slxix | ..atleast in aptitude ;) |
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| 08:18.49 | c0nfl|ct | Bom dia |
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| 08:25.25 | A_I_ | hello |
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| 08:27.09 | A_I_ | I'm building some packages |
| 08:27.16 | A_I_ | How can I detect the OS in the Makefile (Debian, Redhat, Suse, etc.) ? |
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| 08:27.35 | azeem | A_I_: why do you want to? |
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| 08:28.05 | azeem | upstream Makefiles are not for package building |
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| 08:28.38 | A_I_ | aren't they used by debian/rules ? |
| 08:28.58 | A_I_ | what is the correct way to do ? |
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| 08:29.33 | SparFux | great, aptitude tidied up. :-) |
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| 08:34.35 | SparFux | Can aptitude estimate how much space all the installed packages are using up in my installation? |
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| 08:38.17 | ma3x | just as i choose 1-6-11 chans for wireless, can't i choose 2-7-12? will they overlap? |
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| 08:41.37 | nurulwai | What happens when you're moving a file that's currently being accessed from one filesystem to another? |
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| 08:42.30 | Eulex | nurulwai, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get I/O errors on uncached parts of the file |
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| 08:43.24 | nurulwai | Eulex: Fair nuff. I'll not do it then. :-) |
| 08:43.53 | nirupama | I have a debian cd |
| 08:43.55 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I add an applet to a gnome panel using shell scripting ? |
| 08:43.55 | nurulwai | I know on the same filesystem it doesn't actually give a shit, but no idea what happens when it's moving between em. |
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| 08:43.58 | Jemt | What I want is to install an applet on 50-100 computers, and it's much easier if I could automate the process somehow |
| 08:44.13 | nirupama | and when installing in hp machines it hangs at the initial stage itself |
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| 08:44.40 | nirupama | even in text mode its same problem |
| 08:45.00 | SparFux | In aptitude can I mark every package as automatically installed but not the ones which no other packages depend upon? |
| 08:45.02 | kladizkov | is there any way to find the directory wise disk usage in debian.. |
| 08:45.28 | mquin | nurulwai: you'll end up with a copy of the file at the destination, however any data written to the source after the copy completes, and after it has been unlinked, will be lost. |
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| 08:45.45 | kladizkov | i mean, I need to know only the first level directory usage of my home directory.. |
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| 08:46.07 | nirupama | can anybody help me in installaing debian in hp |
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| 08:46.56 | nurulwai | mquin: thanks :-) |
| 08:47.00 | nirupama | HP Compaq dc7800p and HP Compaq dc5750 convertible microtower |
| 08:47.16 | simonrvn | Jemt: run sabayon, and copy the profiles over to each one |
| 08:47.40 | nirupama | even the Intel 82566DM ethernet card does not work |
| 08:47.43 | rvsjoen | kladizkov : du ? |
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| 08:48.14 | Jemt | simonrvn: Over to each one? |
| 08:48.28 | Jemt | simonrvn: And copy it where to ? |
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| 08:49.10 | wols | !tell nurulwai about kmuto |
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| 08:49.32 | nurulwai | What? |
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| 08:49.55 | nurulwai | wols: wossat gotta do with the price of fish? |
| 08:49.56 | kladizkov | rvsjoen: but...how can i display only the first level directory usage? |
| 08:50.20 | kladizkov | rvsjoen: including the hidden folders.. |
| 08:50.24 | nirupama | any any body help me in installaing debian in hp compaq |
| 08:50.27 | wols | I don't have a clue since I don't want any fish. now go and use tha |
| 08:50.28 | wols | t |
| 08:50.43 | nirupama | If not here can anyone redirect me to the channel where all installation issues are carried on |
| 08:50.44 | wols | !tell nirupama about kmuto |
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| 08:51.14 | nirupama | wols, but is it a problem wirh kernel |
| 08:51.17 | simonrvn | Jemt: scripting it, well, i don't know... ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org maybe |
| 08:51.25 | Jemt | simonrvn: Okay, thank you |
| 08:51.30 | nirupama | as the installation hanged soon after the boot: enter |
| 08:51.41 | wols | nurulwai: probably the same thing as what happens if you try to unlink a file that's in use |
| 08:51.47 | rvsjoen | kladizkov : du -sh /your/home/* ? |
| 08:52.39 | wols | nirupama: if linux hangs it's ALWAYS a kernel problem. other stuff isn't supposed to have enough power to hang the machine |
| 08:52.59 | nirupama | wols, ok |
| 08:53.01 | nurulwai | wols: With regards to your earlier comment, go and use what? |
| 08:53.03 | kladizkov | rvsjoen: but that gives the total usage of my home directory...I need directory wise usage |
| 08:53.17 | AbsintheSyringe | iceweasel (3 experimental) is in offline mode every time I start it (debian testing) |
| 08:53.37 | AbsintheSyringe | how can I start it "normally" so it's not in offline mode every time I start it |
| 08:53.37 | wols | AbsintheSyringe: it's experimental. what did you expect? |
| 08:53.39 | rvsjoen | did you include the wildcard ? |
| 08:53.54 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, hm, who should I submit this bug to, mozilla or debian? |
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| 08:54.26 | kladizkov | rvsjoen: now i did...its working :) |
| 08:54.31 | wols | is icewaysel made by mozilla? is iceweasel 3 even a debian package? |
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| 08:54.53 | kladizkov | rvsjoen: but how can i include hidden folders too.. |
| 08:54.59 | nvti | it's the substitute for firefox |
| 08:55.04 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, yea -> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel |
| 08:55.12 | nvti | since firefox doesn't agree with debian's hardcore rules, yo |
| 08:55.25 | wols | !tell AbsintheSyringe about experimental |
| 08:55.29 | wols | AbsintheSyringe: read that before you continue |
| 08:55.42 | wols | AbsintheSyringe: experimental is not debian, it's not fit for use |
| 08:55.47 | rvsjoen | it doesnt ? try "ls -a | xargs du -sh" |
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| 08:57.59 | wols | !ntssmite AbsintheSyringe |
| 08:58.04 | wols | !btssmite AbsintheSyringe |
| 08:58.04 | dpkg | beats AbsintheSyringe around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if AbsintheSyringe is running Unstable |
| 08:58.27 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, :) |
| 08:58.56 | wols | you more than deserve the chainsaw |
| 08:59.04 | AbsintheSyringe | I think the problem is because, nm-applet is displaying my current connection as if it was down, that is it's on statical ip |
| 08:59.11 | slxix | ahh.. Doom. |
| 08:59.17 | AbsintheSyringe | it does that every time, I'll just submit the bug and keep quiet :) |
| 08:59.47 | wols | AbsintheSyringe: lean to use BTS before you do this |
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| 09:00.07 | wols | ther is already a entry for this |
| 09:00.13 | AbsintheSyringe | wols, sure will |
| 09:00.14 | AbsintheSyringe | k |
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| 09:02.45 | slxix | "Sid was the kid who broke all the toys." |
| 09:03.10 | AbsintheSyringe | still is :) |
| 09:03.33 | slxix | (from the Debian sid FAQ) |
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| 09:05.25 | nirupama | wols, what about the ethernet card |
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| 09:05.39 | nirupama | wols, it uses 82566DM ethernet card |
| 09:05.51 | nirupama | wols, from where can i get the exact driver |
| 09:06.06 | pete___ | §/j finland |
| 09:06.09 | pete___ | lol |
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| 09:07.44 | canhua | help |
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| 09:08.30 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 09:09.09 | slxix | nirupama: my google search says to try "modprobe e1000" |
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| 09:10.31 | slxix | and i've seen e1000e suggested from a more reliable looking article. :) |
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| 09:10.51 | nirupama | slxix, but that is for 82566 Gigabit ethernet card and mine is 82566 DM |
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| 09:11.21 | pete___ | nirupama: don't what you are talking about but check e1000e. Im guessing debian not regognize your nic |
| 09:11.45 | nirupama | pete___, ok |
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| 09:12.20 | wols | nirupama: I long ago told you. your choice if you ignore it |
| 09:12.30 | pete___ | I was yesterday intalling new poweredge r300 with broadcom and i really have to say that debian netinst is way too old for anything |
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| 09:13.20 | wols | pete___: which is why there is etchnhalf now |
| 09:13.25 | wols | or why kmuto was made |
| 09:13.34 | pete___ | wols: hmm..Where i can find that? |
| 09:13.45 | wols | pete___: msg dpkg |
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| 09:15.48 | slxix | you guys just made me remember that i installed debian from a usb drive. i'm still impressed. |
| 09:15.57 | atlantide | i install cacti it is runnig well on my server cacti, i have two 2 machines clients in my "http://localhost/cacti/host.php" thoses machines are down. I install snmp on all machine. Can you give the name of file where i must modifie on my clients machines |
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| 09:16.17 | cast | we've got 10-20 computers, people are going to be running computationally intense programs. we'd like some kind of job system, to farm out jobs to unused nodes, anyone got any suggestions on where i should start with this? |
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| 09:17.38 | pete___ | wols: thank dude. I hope that will save my time in future when installing.. I have found some custom debian-install-cd's but they are all crap. Thanks one more time :) |
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| 09:22.02 | slxix | cast: http://wiki.debian.org/?StartaBeowulf maybe? |
| 09:22.34 | cast | investigates |
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| 09:23.11 | cast | its umm, not so much a cluster as 1 job will only run on a single node |
| 09:23.38 | cast | so i pretty much want to farm out their './long-time-calc' to a free host |
| 09:24.00 | cast | but cool, some of the tools will overlap :) |
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| 09:27.45 | devurandom | Hello! |
| 09:27.57 | cast | hi. |
| 09:28.25 | aNOOBisa | Hi can anybody tell me how I can take a look at the system in debian (something like taskmanager in win32 -> BUT ON CONSOLE only) |
| 09:28.50 | nurulwai | top. |
| 09:29.10 | cast | htop! |
| 09:29.22 | aNOOBisa | now that I remember :) thanxs nurulwai/cast |
| 09:30.02 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: what is "a look at the system" .. what you want to see? processes? top or ps for those. |
| 09:30.43 | aNOOBisa | I want to see the cpu load |
| 09:30.48 | devurandom | Is it possible to install a glibc-2.6 on Debian Lenny? |
| 09:31.00 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: top shows that too |
| 09:31.00 | aNOOBisa | but I guess I get that with top or ps |
| 09:31.08 | aNOOBisa | yep |
| 09:31.20 | devurandom | I am hit by this issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454638 , which is said to not exist in older libc versions. |
| 09:31.47 | devurandom | Though in aptitude-v-show only glibc-2.7 is listed.. |
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| 09:32.05 | aNOOBisa | hey Bushmills how do I address someone directly in IRC such that it shows in the irc chat window Bushmills:aNOOBisa: message |
| 09:32.09 | wols | devurandom: you cannot downgrade your libc even if you wanted to |
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| 09:32.15 | wols | if you do, you need to go back to etch |
| 09:32.24 | wols | with ALL your packages |
| 09:32.34 | devurandom | wols: Because of versioned symbols? |
| 09:33.01 | wols | no beceasue of debian dependencies |
| 09:33.08 | devurandom | I assume that means that Debian Lenny is not intended to run on an virtual server? |
| 09:33.09 | wols | *because |
| 09:33.12 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: a. you ask whether that's ok with that person. b. /query name. unsolicited /queries are discouraged. |
| 09:33.19 | devurandom | wols: "dependencies"? |
| 09:33.27 | wols | devurandom: it's not intended to run ANYWHERE. it's testing |
| 09:33.36 | wols | devurandom: yes, dependencies of your packages |
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| 09:33.41 | devurandom | wols: Someone said in 4 months it shall run somewhere... |
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| 09:33.47 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: oh. msg. ... /msg |
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| 09:33.58 | devurandom | wols: You mean the dependencies of all packages demand glibc-2.7? |
| 09:34.13 | wols | devurandom: are you actually using a 2.6.9 kernel? |
| 09:34.27 | wols | yes, pretty much they do |
| 09:34.29 | devurandom | wols: Yes... Otherwise I would not have ended up there. ;) |
| 09:34.44 | wols | but if you run 2.6.9 with lenny you deserve everything you get |
| 09:34.48 | devurandom | wols: Why do they require 2.7? Are there any huge bugs in 2.6? |
| 09:35.07 | wols | debian is not supported with any kernel below 2.6.18. and even that one is awfully old for testing |
| 09:35.24 | devurandom | Well, I cannot choose my kernel, you see... |
| 09:35.40 | devurandom | Asked my ISP, they said migration is no possibility. |
| 09:35.45 | wols | we don't care. change hosters. with a kernel that old there even are some exploits |
| 09:35.47 | aNOOBisa | bushmills that does not really work |
| 09:35.51 | wols | devurandom: they lie |
| 09:35.57 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: what, top? |
| 09:35.59 | devurandom | wols: You work there? |
| 09:36.06 | aNOOBisa | or did you get my messages using /msg |
| 09:36.07 | devurandom | wols: Cool, maybe you can migrate my box then. |
| 09:36.22 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: no. i block those. |
| 09:36.23 | devurandom | I'd be very very carefull using the word "lie"... |
| 09:36.24 | wols | no I don't but there is no tech reason not to update. otoh there are financial reasons of course. but you as a customer shouldn't care about those |
| 09:36.39 | aNOOBisa | I see |
| 09:36.56 | devurandom | wols: Maybe they have some issues deploying virtuozzo 4.0 on their machines, do you know? |
| 09:37.10 | wols | I don#t give a damn about proprietary software |
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| 09:37.14 | aNOOBisa | but you use /msg to address the person directly in the main chat? |
| 09:37.15 | wols | this is debian |
| 09:37.20 | devurandom | Ah, yes, had that recently... ;) |
| 09:37.29 | aNOOBisa | sorry wols |
| 09:37.36 | aNOOBisa | I stop already |
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| 09:37.40 | aNOOBisa | :) |
| 09:37.51 | wols | aNOOBisa: huh? |
| 09:38.47 | devurandom | Actually I wonder how virtuozzo can be proprietary. Doesn't it have to mod the Kernel? Which is afaik fully covered by the GPL2, which would mean the virtouzzo sources would have to be open, too... |
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| 09:39.45 | wols | devurandom: then show me the freely downloadable source of virtuozzo please |
| 09:39.58 | devurandom | I am wondering about that, yes... |
| 09:40.10 | devurandom | If you can explain to me how they avoid that, I'd be helped. |
| 09:40.32 | wols | maybe like nvidia: open kernel interface module and rest being proprietary (the userspace part) |
| 09:40.51 | wols | in fact, virtuozzo has a crippleware free version iirc |
| 09:41.00 | devurandom | openvz? |
| 09:41.02 | Tr0gdor | ok so the installer installed the 486 kernel. I manually installed the 686 kernel, then I did the upgrade to lenny and it went back to the 486 kernel. why? |
| 09:41.14 | devurandom | wikipedia says they are "based on openvz". |
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| 09:41.49 | aNOOBisa | wols I thought you were getting edgy cause I was asking an IRC question in debian from your remark "this is debian" |
| 09:42.06 | aNOOBisa | wols: but I guess that was not the case |
| 09:42.25 | wols | yes, but wikipedia also clearly says "proprietary" |
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| 09:42.50 | devurandom | Well, I was answering to your "in fact, virtuozzo has a crippleware free version iirc" line... |
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| 09:44.43 | Bushmills | tomorrow is the 11th birthday of Bo |
| 09:44.53 | devurandom | Bo? |
| 09:45.03 | Bushmills | debian 1.3 |
| 09:46.09 | jelly | started with hamm |
| 09:46.15 | liable | hmm, why would i get an undefined reference to iw_sockets_open when iwlib.h is included. |
| 09:46.45 | Bushmills | is a buzzer |
| 09:46.47 | devurandom | liable: You forgot to link against the appropriate library? |
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| 09:48.34 | liable | devurandom: appears so |
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| 09:49.29 | JosS | hi! |
| 09:50.05 | ArthurArchnix | Can someone help me figure out how to do a net install of Lenny from a USB stick? There is supposed to just be this one image that you extract onto a USB key, but I can't find it. |
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| 09:51.52 | c-newbie | hi, i was deleted /etc/apache2 by mistake, and i was to reinstall it again by apt-get, but still the /etc/apache2/* is not all restored. how to restored again? |
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| 09:52.10 | themill | dpkg: tell c-newbie about confmiss |
| 09:52.15 | Bushmills | c-newbie: from backup |
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| 09:52.34 | Bushmills | there are very likely customized config files in there |
| 09:52.35 | themill | c-newbie: you need the apache2.2-common package |
| 09:52.54 | Tr0gdor | wow debian went to 1000hz kernels? |
| 09:53.02 | Tr0gdor | at least in lenny |
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| 09:53.45 | ArthurArchnix | These are the instructions I'm following: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html.en and this is the images I think I need... http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ but last time I did this I got etch. |
| 09:54.04 | c-newbie | thaaaaanks |
| 09:54.26 | wols | ArthurArchnix: use etch, not sarge anything |
| 09:54.30 | wols | then upgrade to lenny |
| 09:56.06 | c-newbie | hmm |
| 09:56.13 | c-newbie | the apache2.conf still missin |
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| 09:56.20 | ArthurArchnix | wols: I haven't gotten sarge anything. And I suppose I could just go ahead and do a net install of etch then upgrade, but that's like twice the bandwidth. |
| 09:56.43 | wols | ArthurArchnix: no it's not |
| 09:56.58 | themill | ArthurArchnix: check out the URL you pasted... "sarge" |
| 09:57.16 | wols | ArthurArchnix: netinst is 150 MB and contains a FULL debian. |
| 09:58.42 | ArthurArchnix | themill wols Oh I see the source of the confusion.. sorry, that's just the manual. Perhaps the instructions on usb booting were originally written for sarge. Wols... ok, well, thanks anyway. |
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| 09:59.08 | wols | ArthurArchnix: you're still not supposed to install via lenny ISOs |
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| 10:00.46 | patrakov | which TV viewers, besides mplayer and vlc, can operate without the analog audio cable from the TV card to the sound card? the problem is that the onboard sound chip has no place to connect such cable. |
| 10:01.00 | slxix | i use netinst and dist-upgrade to lenny. i think next time i'll just use stable + backports. |
| 10:01.01 | themill | wols: lenny d-i b1 installer is out; b2 is almost out (or is it out now) |
| 10:01.37 | Jemt | slxix: One of the major reasons for upgrading to Lenny - at least for me - is xorg 7.3. You don't find that in backports |
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| 10:02.06 | jelly | slxix: for swervers, stable+backports is probably the way to go. Same for desktop, if your computer is just a tool and not a toy to tinker with :-) |
| 10:02.27 | themill | "work on" vs "work with" |
| 10:02.34 | slxix | tinker? pfft. linux distributions take all the fun out of tinkering. :) |
| 10:02.56 | jelly | ... "oh key, newest foo! I must install that." |
| 10:03.07 | aNOOBisa | how would I go about integrating a bash program system wide? |
| 10:03.11 | liable | beta2 can be built. |
| 10:03.20 | liable | dailies are beta2 iirc |
| 10:03.38 | aNOOBisa | such that I don't have to call it via sh but straight from commandline from any bash |
| 10:04.18 | aNOOBisa | like ls or like less etc... |
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| 10:04.59 | jelly | aNOOBisa: make it executable and place it somewhere in PATH |
| 10:04.59 | themill | aNOOBisa: it needs to be in your $PATH. /usr/local/bin would be the place for a system-wide script |
| 10:05.14 | Bushmills | aNOOBisa: put it in a dir in PATH, set exec but |
| 10:05.19 | Bushmills | bit |
| 10:05.22 | jelly | butt. |
| 10:05.32 | vlt | Hello. Where's defined what permissions a created file gets? `touch foo` creates 0644, for example. |
| 10:05.40 | aNOOBisa | okay cool thanks BUT? |
| 10:05.42 | jelly | vlt: "umask " |
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| 10:05.46 | patrakov | vlt: umask |
| 10:05.50 | Bushmills | vlt: umask takes away |
| 10:06.07 | themill | vlt: /msg dpkg umask |
| 10:06.07 | jelly | aNOOBisa: chmod 755 myscript && mv myscript /usr/local/bin |
| 10:06.37 | aNOOBisa | jelly: then it is avail to only the one user or systemwide |
| 10:06.54 | vlt | jelly (and the others): hmmmm, `man umask` => No manual entry for umask |
| 10:07.20 | jelly | aNOOBisa: /usr/local/bin is in the default path for every user in debian, and the 755 permissions will make it readable and executable by anyone |
| 10:07.51 | vlt | When I run `umask` it tells me 0022. What does this mean? |
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| 10:07.57 | aNOOBisa | alright thank you very much jelly |
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| 10:08.11 | themill | vlt: "help umask" not "man umask" and /msg dpkg umask |
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| 10:08.23 | vlt | themill: Thank you |
| 10:09.38 | jelly | vlt: also, info coreutils 'File Permissions', then search for umask |
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| 10:10.31 | jelly | er... |
| 10:10.33 | jelly | info coreutils 'Symbolic modes' 'Umask and Protection' |
| 10:11.09 | vlt | `umask -S` says "u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx", but that is not what the new file actually got. I'll read coreutils ... |
| 10:11.44 | themill | vlt: executable is never set by default though |
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| 10:12.56 | jelly | so you'll get u=rw,g=r,o=r (0644) |
| 10:12.59 | vlt | Aaah: "... permissions which are *not* set ..." |
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| 10:13.19 | jelly | vlt: that's why it's a "mask" |
| 10:13.23 | vlt | themill: but on directories ;) |
| 10:13.35 | themill | vlt: indeed. but you were using touch |
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| 10:13.59 | jelly | vlt: to get 0600 perms on file by default, you'd use umask 077 |
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| 10:14.36 | vlt | How can I change the group a file gets when created? |
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| 10:16.23 | vlt | Does it has to be my "primary" group? And if yes, how to change this? |
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| 10:16.48 | jelly | vlt: Hm. You can open a new shell with a different default group using newgrp, or you can make the directory setgid. |
| 10:16.50 | cast | btrfs looks promising |
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| 10:17.36 | jelly | vlt: maybe there's a way to change it in the current shell; never needed it so I don't know of one :-) |
| 10:18.16 | vlt | What defines the "primary" group? The gid in /etc/passwd? |
| 10:18.35 | n0mad | how to start a program at tty2 from tty9 ? |
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| 10:19.19 | jelly | n0mad: is something already running at tty2? |
| 10:19.30 | n0mad | its clear |
| 10:19.48 | slxix | vlt: man usermod |
| 10:19.53 | jelly | n0mad: is there a, say, getty running on it like it usually is? |
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| 10:20.31 | jelly | n0mad: in any case, you can open and run a command with openvt |
| 10:20.31 | n0mad | jelly, how to check (i dont know) |
| 10:20.49 | jelly | n0mad: ps -fe |grep tty2, I guess |
| 10:22.01 | jelly | n0mad: if you want to always run something else at tty2, you can change /etc/inittab. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:22.07 | Tr0gdor | ok so the installer installed the 486 kernel. I manually installed the 686 kernel, then I did the upgrade to lenny and it went back to the 486 kernel. why??? |
| 10:22.51 | esa | Tr0gdor: is a package management issue |
| 10:23.30 | jelly | Tr0gdor: you still had linux-image-2.6-486 installed, and it upgraded it, probably. |
| 10:23.34 | n0mad | jelly, im thinking something about but not sure cmd < /dev/ttyn+k 2>/dev/ttyn+k > /dev/ttyn+k &, i just need to run sometimes one program on it |
| 10:24.01 | n0mad | separate from tty9(main desk) |
| 10:24.03 | jelly | n0mad: your app will fight with getty for the control of tty2 then |
| 10:24.48 | slxix | you can run screen on tty2 and send commands to it from tty9 |
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| 10:25.21 | jelly | n0mad: if you want to only sometimes run stuff on tty2, first disable getty for tty2 in /etc/inittab, (run "init q" to activate changes), and use openvt to run stuff there |
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| 10:27.32 | jelly | slxix: he still needs to have only one process controlling the tty and has to get rid of the default getty; whether he'll run screen or the app directly doesn't really matter |
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| 10:28.31 | esa | i lost cursor on x server, can it be plugged or reset? |
| 10:28.32 | jelly | n0mad: grml livecd opens lots of interesting stuff on different ttys in its inittab, you might want to take a peek there |
| 10:28.40 | Spirit_ | hi, can i check what repository is the source in aptitude? |
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| 10:29.17 | jelly | Spirit_: like "apt-cache policy packagename" does? |
| 10:29.48 | Spirit_ | jelly: that's fantastic, thanks a lot |
| 10:29.53 | n0mad | jelly, http://pastebin.com/d49bab219 thats all, |
| 10:30.52 | jelly | n0mad: so there's a user x' bash already open on tty2. |
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| 10:31.44 | jelly | n0mad: and a /bin/login process, called by getty. I guess you have a default config and have logged in on tty2. |
| 10:32.01 | n0mad | yes manualy loged in |
| 10:32.27 | Spirit_ | seems like either my sources.list is bad or the repositories: mono-common is "1.9.1+dfsg-1" at "http://ftp.de.debian.org testing/main" but "1.2.5.1-1+lenny1" at "http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main" (and mono is only at "1.2.5.1-1+lenny1" "http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main"). will i need to try "pinning" or is just something wrong at my end? |
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| 10:33.11 | Spirit_ | wait, i could just disable the german one, update, install and reenable or would the end in hell |
| 10:33.17 | Spirit_ | the = that |
| 10:33.24 | wols | !info mono-common lenny |
| 10:33.43 | jelly | n0mad: so log out. comment out line "2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2" in /etc/inittab, run "init q", and in the future use openvt from tty9 to run stuff on tty2 |
| 10:33.43 | dpkg | mono-common: (common files for Mono), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.9.1+dfsg-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 111 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 10:34.16 | Spirit_ | !info mono lenny |
| 10:34.28 | Spirit_ | Package 'mono' does not exist. |
| 10:34.29 | Spirit_ | eek |
| 10:34.37 | n0mad | jelly but as i understandinng i will not see output on tty2 screen (ctrl+alt+f2) ? |
| 10:34.44 | themill | Spirit_: there's nothing wrong with that. There was a security update to mono at some time for lenny that has since been superceded by a new upload to sid. |
| 10:35.06 | Spirit_ | i just realised that mono is just a metapackage anyways, duh :) |
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| 10:35.31 | jelly | n0mad: you won't see anything on tty2 until you run "openvt -c 2 -- some_command" |
| 10:35.57 | themill | Spirit_: "mono" as a package has been removed from the archive. |
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| 10:37.39 | jelly | !why is mono not in testing |
| 10:37.39 | dpkg | mono is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mono |
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| 10:37.46 | Spirit_ | oh nice |
| 10:37.46 | n0mad | jelly, yea im reding now about openvt; just i am geting clear: after running something i will see output on tty2 screen(weak english so sorry) |
| 10:38.06 | n0mad | ? |
| 10:38.10 | jelly | n0mad: yes |
| 10:38.41 | n0mad | ok, than you jelly (now i think u gave me eenough info to start doing something) |
| 10:38.43 | themill | jelly: the pile of things that you would call mono are in testing; the mono binary package has been removed complete as it's not needed after etch. For some reason. |
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| 10:38.46 | n0mad | thank* |
| 10:40.05 | jelly | themill: with my little eye, I spot a "mono" package in testing-security! |
| 10:40.16 | themill | jelly: yes, and not in testing or sid |
| 10:40.32 | jelly | sounds like testing-security needs a whack |
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| 10:40.53 | themill | jelly: lenny-updates contains out of date packages, just etch-updates does. |
| 10:41.04 | woden1 | How do I mount an NTFS volume in read/write? |
| 10:41.39 | jelly | themill: yeah, but packages in etch* don't disappear |
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| 10:41.55 | themill | jelly: they can. like flashplayer did |
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| 10:42.08 | themill | jelly: they routinely do at point releases |
| 10:42.11 | N0Lif3_ | woden1: download ntfs drivers, then mount your ntfs drive |
| 10:42.34 | vanksi | is it possible to make ftp work with only tcp protocol? |
| 10:42.40 | woden1 | NOLif3: I already have ntfs drivers since I can mount it in read-only. |
| 10:42.44 | jelly | themill: sounds like they ought to be cleared out of security.d.o as well |
| 10:43.01 | jelly | !tell woden1 -about ntfs-3g |
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| 10:43.22 | themill | jelly: I did ask about that once and the reply I got from joey was, shall we say, terse and to the point that it wasn't a problem stop worrying. |
| 10:43.24 | jelly | N0Lif3_: your advice makes no sense |
| 10:43.26 | slxix | i thought ftp only used tcp? |
| 10:43.55 | jelly | themill: I don't know whether to :-) or :-( :-) |
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| 10:45.42 | themill | jelly: anyway, you can and do get packages in etch that have an older version in etch-updates because of a point release; with testing security, the same situation is true. |
| 10:46.23 | jelly | themill: yeah, older versions don't matter as long as they're not the _only_ ones |
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| 10:46.31 | themill | jelly: indeed |
| 10:46.59 | jelly | #d-security tells me to file a bug for s.d.o |
| 10:47.11 | slxix | vanksi: what makes you think ftp doesn't use only tcp? |
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| 10:47.16 | themill | !tell jelly about reportbug |
| 10:47.18 | themill | :) |
| 10:47.21 | jelly | :-P |
| 10:47.34 | jelly | reportbug-ng > reportbug anyway :-) |
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| 10:47.35 | SparFux | Wow, aptitude really rocks! |
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| 10:49.20 | SparFux | Do I need apt-get anyway? |
| 10:49.41 | Spirit_ | you should not use it if you use aptitude |
| 10:49.49 | Spirit_ | but aptitude needs apt-get |
| 10:49.58 | SparFux | Ah, ok. So I cannot uninstall apt-get. |
| 10:50.13 | Spirit_ | nope, unless i am completely mistaken :) |
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| 10:50.37 | slxix | just keep a local copy before you do, :) |
| 10:52.21 | SparFux | hehe :-) |
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| 10:53.01 | slxix | reminds me of when i ssh'd into a firewall to take down and bring back up the device i came through on.. that plan was one step from completion before it failed miserably. |
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| 10:55.08 | slxix | the book PAIP called it the "not looking before you leap" problem. |
| 10:56.14 | minase | I'm trying to do an install from hd media, using an iso image (which I have done successfully in the past). I have have grub booting the install kernel, with the hd media initrd, and the installer boots just fine, but it will not find the CD image. The image filename ends with .iso, and is located in the root of the same disk that contains the kernel and initrd. Filesystem of that disk is ext3. |
| 10:56.20 | minase | Any ideas? |
| 10:57.47 | slxix | mount -o loop disk1.iso /mnt/disk |
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| 10:58.56 | minase | And when I go back the installer it will use the files in there? Let me try... |
| 10:59.07 | slxix | well, that is not the complete solution. |
| 10:59.16 | jelly | SparFux: aptitude needs libapt* libraries; those and apt-get are in the same package. So you don't have to use apt-get, but you can't remove it. |
| 10:59.24 | slxix | you need to adapt it for your situation. |
| 10:59.25 | Spirit_ | oh i hate packages that depend on their manual/doc packages... |
| 11:00.13 | SparFux | jelly: ok. |
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| 11:01.26 | minase | I think I may have found the root of the problem though. It cannot mount the hd partition. The device node (sda1) is there, and dmesg shows it reading the partition table okay, but mount returns 'No such device'... har |
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| 11:02.26 | wols | minase: file /dev/sda1 |
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| 11:03.35 | slxix | cmeme: why are you bouncing so much? :) |
| 11:03.51 | minase | Nevermind, I didn't look far enough. Further down in dmesg it says 'SATA link down'. Marvelous. I probably just need to roll my own installer kernel. Thanks anyway, should have dug deeper before asking. |
| 11:04.16 | jelly | minase: "/msg dpkg kmuto" ? |
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| 11:05.19 | minase | Oooh, I'll try that. Thanks. |
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| 11:08.24 | jelly | minase: I've used his images with up to 2.6.23 and they worked, the 2.6.24 one less so |
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| 11:15.14 | nekostar | !ping |
| 11:15.14 | dpkg | pong |
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| 11:19.03 | minase | jelly: Is there an easy way to get a cd image with matching modules for the kernels on the kmuto site? The reason I need the cd image is because my network card is not supported by the stuff in the initrd. |
| 11:19.20 | minase | Wait, sorry. I'm an idiot. |
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| 11:19.31 | minase | I didn't notice the FR/JP link was to an iso. |
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| 11:24.35 | n0mad | jelly, :s i get 'Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console' |
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| 11:25.07 | jelly | n0mad: ... as a result of which command? |
| 11:25.24 | jelly | n0mad: openvt really wants to be run as root, btw |
| 11:25.30 | n0mad | em |
| 11:25.33 | n0mad | not good then |
| 11:25.40 | n0mad | i need as user |
| 11:25.50 | jelly | n0mad: sudo is your friend |
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| 11:27.05 | n0mad | :) |
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| 11:27.15 | jelly | n0mad: well, either run openvt as root, or run "chown user:group /dev/tty2" as root before openvt |
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| 11:27.44 | jelly | n0mad: I haven't tried the latter, but openvt manual suggests it should work |
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| 11:29.55 | n0mad | well, program must run as user, so im trying |
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| 11:32.40 | peleg | my bash cpu usage is suddenly stuck on 96-100% in the last 3 minutes. |
| 11:32.43 | peleg | should I kill it? |
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| 11:34.15 | slxix | why do you ask? |
| 11:34.16 | peleg | well, |
| 11:34.29 | peleg | it looks like I can't kill it with sigterm |
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| 11:35.09 | peleg | should I try sigkill ? |
| 11:35.17 | peleg | I am not sure if it might cause damage |
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| 11:35.42 | ne2k__ | peleg: use pstree to see its children |
| 11:36.08 | peleg | ne2k__: used. there are no. |
| 11:36.31 | ne2k__ | peleg: weird. it must be doing something |
| 11:36.42 | peleg | yes, but I don't know why. |
| 11:36.44 | peleg | or what |
| 11:37.13 | ne2k__ | peleg: well, if there are no children, and you don't think it's doing anything important, then why can't you just kill it? |
| 11:37.44 | peleg | ne2k__: still, it is bash... well, here I kill it. |
| 11:37.56 | peleg | bye bye |
| 11:38.05 | peleg | 0% cpu now :-) |
| 11:38.16 | slxix | starts a "save the bash" campaign. |
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| 11:40.56 | n0mad | jelly, another one happy smile in this world; works like a charm, t.y. 4 u'r time |
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| 11:42.24 | sep | are there any tools i can run in debian to find out why a server is beeping like something bad is going on ? checked raid and psu's and i cant see anything wrong. would prefer not taking offline to check bios if it's not impossible to do from the os |
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| 11:42.46 | themill | sep: check the temperature (acpi -V) |
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| 11:43.02 | themill | sep: also, check that it's not a iptables logging thing. |
| 11:43.11 | sep | no iptables there |
| 11:43.36 | sep | and no support for device type thermal, from acpi output |
| 11:43.43 | abrotman | short in the kbd! |
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| 11:44.08 | themill | sep: can you use it to warm up your lunch? |
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| 11:44.49 | sep | abrotman, it beeps more like a alert then a kbd thing. but im gonig to check it |
| 11:45.00 | wols | mbmon lm-sensors |
| 11:45.02 | sep | themill, not at all. it's not warm at all |
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| 11:45.33 | abrotman | sep: cooked CPU? does the server have warnning lights on the front? how old is it? what make? |
| 11:46.02 | sep | intel, no warning ligth are on. |
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| 11:46.08 | sep | it's about 3 years |
| 11:46.15 | sep | rack 2 u |
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| 11:46.53 | abrotman | cracked it while running to look for lights inside? |
| 11:47.27 | abrotman | or to find the source of the beep |
| 11:47.28 | digitaloktay_ | when is the final release of Lenny? |
| 11:47.51 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 11:47.51 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html |
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| 11:48.14 | jelly | n0mad: cheers |
| 11:48.53 | digitaloktay_ | abrotman, thank you ;) |
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| 11:50.12 | digitaloktay_ | !dash |
| 11:50.12 | dpkg | somebody said dash was a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than bash. It is the shell on the debian installation floppy, and is useful for checking whether a shell is POSIX compliant. Also, Herbert Xu's forked version of ash. Also xush. |
| 11:50.47 | slxix | odd that ytalk depends on talkd. |
| 11:50.49 | esa | dpkg: long knowledge... |
| 11:50.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, esa |
| 11:51.17 | Bushmills | sep, iptraf can give you a clue |
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| 11:51.47 | _subzero_ | Hello everyone! Please tell me if I can find somewhere a backport of GTK+ 2.12 for Debian Etch? |
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| 11:52.15 | Bushmills | but beeping .. servers don't usually beep unless it is something with the hardware |
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| 11:52.55 | abrotman | digitaloktay_: /msg dpkg foo |
| 11:53.22 | abrotman | Bushmills: or someone has laid a book on the bksp key :) |
| 11:53.33 | drac | _subzero_: I don't know but the version of GTK+ breaks other software even at runtime (like hardlocking with xfwm4) |
| 11:53.42 | Bushmills | abrotman: in an open and active shell, |
| 11:53.54 | abrotman | Bushmills: yeah .. and? :) |
| 11:53.56 | drac | _subzero_: So you'd have to get all the fixes for amount <xyz> of apps too.. |
| 11:53.59 | Bushmills | would see that |
| 11:54.17 | Bushmills | at least when one other key was hit |
| 11:54.49 | Bushmills | sep, for hardware monitoring of all kinds of computer health info i use munin |
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| 11:55.05 | _subzero_ | If I just want to run the new version of GIMP, which GTK version should I try? |
| 11:55.14 | abrotman | just gimp eh ? |
| 11:55.21 | Bushmills | (but made a few extra plugins for more stuff i wanted to see) |
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| 11:56.58 | _subzero_ | yes, and it won't build with stable GTK+ 2.8.20... |
| 11:57.05 | Bushmills | sep, a subset of displayed stuff looks like this: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/stats.cgi |
| 11:57.16 | jaco1 | hi all, I'm having trouble installing python-ldap for python2.5 (debian etch). |
| 11:57.23 | jaco1 | I get a message saying |
| 11:57.24 | jaco1 | INFO: using unsupported version '/usr/bin/python2.5' |
| 11:57.33 | jaco1 | even a manual build does not work |
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| 11:58.18 | jaco1 | could somebody help me with python-ldap install for python2.5 |
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| 11:59.05 | digitaloktay_ | gcc 4:4.2.3-10 --> 4:4.3.0-8 |
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| 11:59.32 | abrotman | Bushmills: your fortunes.cgi seems mildly unhappy |
| 12:00.05 | n0mad | jelly, I'm wondering, is it posible to send a commands(fromtty9) to that program running on tty2(if so how)? |
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| 12:00.30 | Bushmills | abrotman: st wrong with those? |
| 12:00.59 | abrotman | Bushmills: page doesn't seem to stop loading |
| 12:01.01 | henry_nicolas | Hello everybody, I'm looking for a tool to sync 2 local folder, might be command line or gtk, do you have any idea ? |
| 12:01.08 | abrotman | henry_nicolas: rsync |
| 12:01.22 | henry_nicolas | abrotman, thank you |
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| 12:02.16 | Bushmills | abrotman: hm. maybe browser issue - not updating unti last fortune receive maybe? it generates 5, with a pause of about 10 secs in between |
| 12:02.59 | abrotman | Bushmills: ah .. must be it .. i only saw one |
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| 12:04.26 | sep | Bushmills, i use munin too, and it shows nothing wrong |
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| 12:04.52 | digitaloktay_ | !gcc |
| 12:04.52 | dpkg | the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian |
| 12:04.52 | Bushmills | i suppose the hardware stuff, cpu- and disk temperatures, fan speeds, voltages etc, are those which sep might be most interested in. |
| 12:05.09 | Bushmills | sep, you probably don't have the voltage- and fan speed monitor, right? |
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| 12:05.29 | abrotman | digitaloktay_: MSG THE BOT |
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| 12:05.45 | sep | true i am trying to install lmsensors to read them |
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| 12:05.57 | digitaloktay_ | ok |
| 12:06.32 | Bushmills | sep, http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin/mbfanspeed |
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| 12:06.49 | Bushmills | sep, http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin/mbheatzones |
| 12:07.07 | Bushmills | sep, http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin/mbvoltages |
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| 12:07.17 | Bushmills | these use mbmon |
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| 12:07.46 | sep | Bushmills, are the munin plugins in the munin package ? |
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| 12:07.54 | Bushmills | sep, no |
| 12:08.06 | Bushmills | those are among the homegrown ones |
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| 12:08.13 | fireba11 | Bushmills : do those work ? i didn't get lm-sensors to show correct values for voltages .. :-/ |
| 12:08.23 | PiousMinion | If I have packages which apt-get says I should autoremove.... will these packages still be upgraded when I do apt-get upgrade? |
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| 12:08.38 | Bushmills | fireba11: if mbmon works, the plugins work too. |
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| 12:08.52 | hans_reiser_424 | hi |
| 12:08.55 | Bushmills | fireba11: often, mbmon is simpler to set up than lmsensors |
| 12:09.08 | Bushmills | but the range of sensors it can read is smaller. |
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| 12:09.19 | hans_reiser_424 | i have an problem with phpmyadmin it won't execute in the browser! |
| 12:09.20 | fireba11 | : Bushmills let me rephrase .. are the chances better to get correct values with mbmon than with lmsensors ? |
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| 12:09.20 | jelly | n0mad: no idea |
| 12:09.38 | jelly | hans_reiser_424: nice non-trollish nick, btw |
| 12:09.45 | abrotman | PiousMinion: if they're removed .. why would you upgrade them ? |
| 12:09.45 | Bushmills | fireba11: i'd try both and use whatever works better for you |
| 12:10.13 | PiousMinion | abrotman: they are not yet removed, apt-get simply suggest they be removed via autoremove. |
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| 12:10.36 | abrotman | PiousMinion: so why would you keep them if they aren't going to be used? |
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| 12:11.09 | sep | Bushmills, have you considered contributing them to the project ? http://muninexchange.projects.linpro.no/ |
| 12:11.29 | Bushmills | sep, yes. actually i have contributed plugins. |
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| 12:12.02 | PiousMinion | abrotman: they are being used. I prefer mozilla-mplay to totem-mozilla, but removing totem-mozilla removes gnome and all of it's dependencies end up in the autoremove list. I just want to make sure those dependencies get upgraded. |
| 12:12.06 | Bushmills | but these not yet iirc |
| 12:12.21 | Bushmills | found them a bit too9 simple minded |
| 12:12.27 | ArthurArchnix | Well, I gave up on the usb install and just burned a dvd. Bit of a waste for a net install, but oh well, lenny is up and running. |
| 12:12.40 | socr | how does mutt know where to send e-mail ? I did not tell teh machine the URL of the mail servers, nor ID/PW ? |
| 12:12.43 | sep | Bushmills, mbmon say no hardware monitor found ? |
| 12:12.44 | hans_reiser_424 | mysql und php works somebody an idea ? |
| 12:12.47 | PiousMinion | abrotman: "gnome" being the meta package |
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| 12:13.08 | sep | Bushmills, simple is good, it means it's less likely to break |
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| 12:14.11 | jelly | socr: mutt uses the local MTA (smtp server) by default and depends on it being configured correctly. |
| 12:15.22 | jelly | socr: most unix apps that send email use the same infrastructure. |
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| 12:21.56 | drs- | when using "unhide brute" i get a list of like 5 processes that says they are hidden... this is a fresh install.. but the PID keeps changeing.. they arent the same.. does that mean.. unhide isnt all that accurate? |
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| 12:22.34 | fireba11 | Bushmills: ah well .. mbmon shows -12V as -3.6v ^^ |
| 12:22.51 | Bushmills | fireba11: notebook? |
| 12:23.03 | fireba11 | Bushmills: nope, rented server |
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| 12:24.05 | Bushmills | fireba11: no impossible. -12 is not needed by most machines anymore. some time back, for RAM. rs232 needs it according specs, but most UARTS use > -5 volts for it, especially note books. |
| 12:25.24 | Bushmills | meant to write "not impossible" |
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| 12:26.30 | drs- | anyone? |
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| 12:26.45 | Bushmills | earlier floppy controller also used -12 V i think |
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| 12:43.42 | abrotman | !flw |
| 12:43.42 | dpkg | < Elly> is it safe to rename root? < Elly> hmm, apparently yes < zinx> it's not safe and it provides no added security < Elly> I used 'usermod' to change it < Elly> nothing has broken yet |
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| 12:44.02 | Zharf | o.O |
| 12:44.22 | fireba11 | ?? |
| 12:44.31 | abrotman | ))@@(| |
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| 12:46.43 | Wesley | Hi im trying to install debian netinst on 3 identical machines; 2 of them went Ok but the current one is haveing a problem with grub (executing grub-install (hd0) failed - this is a fatal error) - anyone any idea what is the cause of this? |
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| 12:47.14 | cast | well if they are identical, then maybe the hw is fucked |
| 12:47.44 | slxix | you can check your installation log to get a better understanding of what went wrong. |
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| 12:49.49 | drs- | when using "unhide brute" i get a list of like 5 processes that says they are hidden... this is a fresh install.. but the PID keeps changeing.. they arent the same.. does that mean.. unhide isnt all that accurate? |
| 12:49.52 | varney | hi all. i've done it before on the commandline, but i did cat /proc/loadavg and i get a sequence of numbers back: 5.31 14.68 17.14 1/83 10911 - i tried looking on google but i fail to see it explained anywhere |
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| 12:50.23 | varney | *i've never done it b4 |
| 12:50.50 | uamenti | maybe check them out on the output of top |
| 12:50.57 | uamenti | see if you get anything similar numberwise |
| 12:51.03 | varney | can someone explain what the numbers mean (since they seem extremely high to me, and the server does seem to have a slow response) |
| 12:51.29 | SPF | varney: the number refers to pids that are active 100% |
| 12:51.32 | slxix | varney: the first three are load averages for the past 1, 5 and 15 minutes. the others, i'm not sure. |
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| 12:51.40 | themill | varney: that's a high load average. |
| 12:51.45 | SPF | so load avg of 5 means 5 active pids |
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| 12:52.03 | SPF | you also get that when nfs is hanging |
| 12:52.07 | vjoe | hey |
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| 12:52.23 | Wesley | syslog says: the file /boot/grub/e2fs_stage_1_5 not read correctly |
| 12:52.28 | microtux | hi, |
| 12:52.51 | microtux | i need some help about the debian installer |
| 12:53.06 | microtux | i set up a local deb repo |
| 12:53.14 | slxix | Wesley: can you find any reason why that is? |
| 12:53.22 | microtux | configured my sources.list , and i'm able to install packages from it |
| 12:53.38 | microtux | but when i try a network install using that repo , it fails |
| 12:53.43 | microtux | any help ? |
| 12:53.45 | varney | wth is hanging though? i did ps agux and i don't see the 10911 pid anywhere... |
| 12:53.51 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 12:54.09 | abrotman | SPF: that's not right |
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| 12:55.35 | abrotman | varney: SPF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)#Unix-style_load_calculation |
| 12:55.37 | drs- | well... can anyone assist me with this problem i am having with unhide? |
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| 12:56.12 | varney | abrotman: cheers |
| 12:56.29 | abrotman | SPF: where did you get that crazy idea? |
| 12:56.57 | microtux | could anyone help, please ? |
| 12:57.01 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 12:57.04 | SPF | from looking at top |
| 12:57.18 | SPF | I had a nfs mount once |
| 12:57.27 | SPF | and df was hanging |
| 12:57.36 | SPF | after 30 times df, load avg was 30 |
| 12:57.44 | abrotman | means nothing |
| 12:57.47 | SPF | indeed |
| 12:57.54 | SPF | the pids were waiting |
| 12:57.59 | microtux | abrotman, ok, but there is no error message, the d-i asks me to choose a repo, i set it up manually |
| 12:57.59 | themill | abrotman: I've heard of high load averages when nfs goes titsup too; IO-bound processes are counted. |
| 12:58.17 | abrotman | themill: i meant the measurement method |
| 12:58.24 | themill | ahh |
| 12:58.31 | microtux | abrotman, the d-i showed me the list of available packages, choosed what i needed, then ..... |
| 12:58.38 | abrotman | themill: i wasn't trying to imply that nfs didn't suck :) |
| 12:58.45 | themill | heh |
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| 12:58.48 | microtux | abrotman, then nothing, it stoped at 5% of the download |
| 12:58.51 | live | http://pastebin.com/m671714de |
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| 12:59.34 | live | can someone help? http://pastebin.com/m671714de |
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| 12:59.43 | drs- | heh... running unhide brute i get a list of 5 PID's hidden.. everytime i run it.. they change why is that? |
| 12:59.51 | drs- | and why are they hidden? |
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| 13:01.11 | varney | how about now: 0.01 0.77 6.61 1/81 11105 |
| 13:01.41 | themill | varney: that looks much happier :) |
| 13:01.44 | varney | so the 11105 is a pid is it? i still don't see them...unless they have since disappeared |
| 13:01.48 | microtux | abrotman, i captured some HTTP packets using wireshark, seems that the d-i is asking for packages using the right paths |
| 13:01.59 | themill | varney: it's probably the pid of cat |
| 13:02.05 | microtux | :( |
| 13:02.10 | slxix | drs-: you may be seeing a race condition. |
| 13:02.23 | drs- | race condition? |
| 13:02.26 | varney | themill: yeah, wouldn't surprise me actually :) |
| 13:03.07 | drs- | i dont understand why they would be hidden in the first place |
| 13:03.11 | varney | ps agux marks me as 11106, so yeah, the last one was cat |
| 13:03.17 | varney | (probably) |
| 13:03.29 | varney | thankx all, i was worried there |
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| 13:04.41 | slxix | drs-: when you run unhide it stores a list of PID's in memory from the 'ps' command. then it looks at every pid that can possibly exist. if it finds one that's not on the list, it will report it as hidden. |
| 13:04.47 | live | can someone help me? http://pastebin.com/m671714de |
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| 13:05.59 | drkwolf | live try to update your source |
| 13:06.06 | drs- | slxix the PID's keep disappearing though.. |
| 13:06.06 | slxix | so if a PID comes into existance after unhide is ran, then it will report it as hidden. |
| 13:06.19 | drs- | i try to kill them |
| 13:06.23 | drs- | and they dont exist |
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| 13:06.34 | slxix | drs-: use a pastebin and show me outputs of 3 or 4 runs. |
| 13:06.55 | abrotman | microtux: try to use it from another machine .. see if it works |
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| 13:09.50 | drs- | slxix http://pastebin.ca/1038598 |
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| 13:15.46 | drs- | anything? |
| 13:15.52 | drs- | slxix? |
| 13:15.55 | slxix | yes. |
| 13:16.32 | drs- | ... |
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| 13:17.38 | microtux | abrotman, i tried 2 machines, the same thing |
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| 13:19.30 | eurufulus | hello, anybody around? |
| 13:19.32 | aNOOBisa | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.51 | aNOOBisa | via bashrc? |
| 13:19.52 | Appiah | eurufulus: plenty of people around |
| 13:19.57 | liable | in ~/.bashrc iirc |
| 13:20.27 | eurufulus | aNOOBisa: like |
| 13:20.27 | eurufulus | export HISTFILESIZE=1 |
| 13:20.27 | eurufulus | export HISTSIZE=1 |
| 13:20.27 | eurufulus | ok |
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| 13:20.42 | eurufulus | when i reboot my box i see that a particular user named "john" is running a init.d process |
| 13:20.44 | eurufulus | john 6350 0.0 0.0 1712 528 ? S 09:22 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/init.d/test.sh |
| 13:20.44 | drs- | slxix did ya look at that? |
| 13:20.59 | eurufulus | that test file is onwed by root and has no sudo inside... how do i find how why is it running as "john" and no as "root"? |
| 13:21.12 | abrotman | aNOOBisa: man bash .. search for SIZE |
| 13:21.17 | slxix | drs-: are you running it as root? |
| 13:21.27 | drs- | well dont i have to? |
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| 13:21.45 | drs- | im using sudo |
| 13:21.45 | aNOOBisa | thanks guys |
| 13:21.47 | slxix | no, but you are supposed to. |
| 13:21.54 | eurufulus | help? :) |
| 13:22.09 | slxix | drs-: are you using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:22.09 | uamenti | maybe john the ripper runs as a suid john or something |
| 13:22.15 | uamenti | if that's what you're using |
| 13:22.23 | drs- | slxix yes 2.6.25-4 |
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| 13:22.31 | eurufulus | it is not john the ripper. |
| 13:22.43 | eurufulus | it is a user by the name of john, the process is test and lies in /etc/init.d |
| 13:22.46 | microtux | so? no help ? ;( |
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| 13:22.57 | drs- | err .4 even :) |
| 13:23.05 | abrotman | microtux: why not use a normal mirror to test also ? |
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| 13:23.43 | eurufulus | I need some help with thios |
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| 13:24.37 | microtux | abrotman, i tested a normal mirror, and it were ok. i need to set up this repo to share it with others, so we can save time and effort when re-installing debian |
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| 13:26.10 | pete___ | Hi! I got NC's. One for internet and one for intra. Problem is that system try to connect to internet througt intra gw and it is not of course working. How do i tell Debian to use eth0 as primary nic if anything else has not been ordered? |
| 13:26.40 | pete___ | this problem has followed me for years, but i think it's now time todo something about it :D |
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| 13:27.15 | petemc | pete___: you shouldnt have more than one gateway |
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| 13:27.31 | petemc | if you do, you need to configure your system accordingly |
| 13:27.37 | petemc | !split access |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | from memory, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 13:28.27 | pete___ | petemc: yea i know, of course. But i got two setups in /etc/network/interfaces. I could of course put there just one and after boot some script take eth1 up with right gateway. What should i put in that file so it would not configure two default gw? |
| 13:28.52 | petemc | pete___: you configure only one interface with a gateway, its not complicated |
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| 13:29.00 | aNOOBisa | wat is the diff between HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE option? |
| 13:29.12 | drs- | so slxix my kernel will affect the output of unhide? |
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| 13:29.34 | pete___ | petemc: lol, if it that easy im going to shoot myself :D |
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| 13:29.57 | hoxu | aNOOBisa, it's covered in the manual |
| 13:30.09 | pete___ | petemc: well it was. So shame right now. Thanks dude :D |
| 13:30.14 | petemc | np |
| 13:30.31 | microtux | abrotman, thank you , you are always helpfull, but i guess this probleme is not common, thx anyway ;) |
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| 13:31.53 | microtux | . |
| 13:32.04 | aNOOBisa | hoxu: HFS: The maximum number of lines contained in the history file default to 500. HS The number of commands to remember in the command history. The default value is 500. |
| 13:32.12 | aNOOBisa | is HS in memory |
| 13:32.35 | aNOOBisa | and HFS is written to .bash_history? |
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| 13:34.43 | hoxu | aNOOBisa, correct, afaics |
| 13:35.12 | debendra | hello, my netinstaller is not able download files from any debian mirror. pl.help me |
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| 13:36.14 | aNOOBisa | hoxu thanks for clarification |
| 13:36.17 | edyfox | Hi all, anybody knows how to make ejabberd work under Debian Lenny? |
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| 13:36.56 | slxix | drs-: i don't think unhide is very accurate. |
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| 13:37.22 | drs- | slxix im starting to think the same thing |
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| 13:37.30 | drs- | as this is a fresh installation |
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| 13:38.25 | abrotman | aNOOBisa: the man page tells you |
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| 13:38.40 | aNOOBisa | yes but I was not sure |
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| 13:44.30 | samantha-- | so i'm trying to start a vncserver. the problem is that every time i do, it doesn't actually start a wm. i've added exec startkde & in ~/.vnc/xstartup, and in ~/.xinitrc, and in ~/.xsession (which is overwritten every time i start X). where do i go from here? |
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| 13:45.00 | mmcr | Hi! |
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| 13:46.59 | k`sOSe | i |
| 13:47.05 | k`sOSe | hi |
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| 13:47.22 | Lex|wrk | hi |
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| 13:49.10 | dav | how can i see the latest packages i installed? |
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| 13:49.25 | k`sOSe | is there a way to ignore conflicts between package? i'm trying to install popa3d, but apt wants to remove qpopper first |
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| 13:51.44 | helo | is there any other method i can use to load an ethernet driver than floppy? |
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| 13:52.28 | liable | you still havinf problems? |
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| 13:55.46 | themill | k`sOSe: you can only have one pop3 server installed at a time. |
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| 13:56.11 | k`sOSe | well, i need two pop3 servers |
| 13:56.36 | k`sOSe | i can install dozen of pop3 servers |
| 13:56.40 | k`sOSe | but not with debian it seems |
| 13:57.12 | samantha-- | why not run two instances of the same software? |
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| 13:57.27 | k`sOSe | coz they works in different ways |
| 13:57.39 | k`sOSe | i need to migrate from qpopper to popa3d |
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| 13:57.52 | k`sOSe | but i need to do that one domain a time |
| 13:57.55 | Dinamic | õî÷ó áåñïëà òÃûé UIN äëÿ ICQ ïîæà ëóéñòà ïîìîãè ìÃÃ¥ ïåðåéäÿ ïî ññûëêå |
| 13:57.55 | Dinamic | http://freeicq.ru/hochu.php?semiznak=Dinamic |
| 13:57.55 | Dinamic | åñëè ÃÃ¥ òðóäÃî òî ïåðåøëè ýòî ñîîáùåÃèå äðóãèì â òâî¸ì êîÃòà êò - ëèñòå |
| 13:58.32 | samantha-- | since only one can be running at any given time, at least without modifications in your pop client, that seems a pretty stupid way to do it to me. |
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| 13:58.43 | petemc | i did a fairly large migration from vmpop3d to dovecot recently, was hard work |
| 13:58.56 | k`sOSe | samantah that's not true |
| 13:59.13 | samantha-- | "that" meaning what? |
| 13:59.21 | k`sOSe | "only one can be running at any given time" |
| 13:59.46 | samantha-- | "without modifications to your pop client," eg they have to be running on different ports. that's a user support nightmare begging to happen. |
| 13:59.50 | k`sOSe | u can use different ip address or different port |
| 13:59.57 | petemc | take 2 pop3ds into the shower? |
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| 14:00.22 | themill | It'd be easier to migrate all at once than change each user's IP or port. |
| 14:00.33 | petemc | perdition is useful for such things |
| 14:00.37 | k`sOSe | i don't need someone who teach me my own work |
| 14:00.44 | samantha-- | ok so figure it out yourself. |
| 14:00.53 | petemc | k`sOSe: your work isnt installing debian packages? |
| 14:01.04 | samantha-- | i'm going back to my vnc problem. |
| 14:01.05 | k`sOSe | no my work is managing pop3 server right now |
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| 14:01.18 | k`sOSe | i need someone who teach my how to deal with debian packages |
| 14:01.34 | k`sOSe | teach me* |
| 14:01.40 | samantha-- | google can do that. |
| 14:01.45 | k`sOSe | (well, my english sucks) |
| 14:01.55 | k`sOSe | samantha you are useless, shut up |
| 14:01.58 | dav | anyone? |
| 14:02.01 | petemc | k`sOSe: you'll need to install your second pop3d outside of the package system |
| 14:02.20 | k`sOSe | that's what i'm trying to avoid petemc |
| 14:02.25 | petemc | unlucky |
| 14:02.27 | themill | k`sOSe: since you're not liking the answers we give, you're not going to get very far around here. And telling people who are trying to help you to shut up isn't a good move. |
| 14:02.53 | samantha-- | since the way you're approaching your migration is pointedly stupid, error-prone, and begging for screaming users, but you refuse to understand that, you'll need to figure out how to do it yourself. part of what we do here isn't just tell you what you want to do, we tell you how to do it CORRECTLY so that you will minimize downtime and support costs. that obviously isn't your priority, so go ahead and do it the hard way. |
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| 14:03.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:03.32 | dpkg | somebody said qotd136 was < Szeraax> oh how i love having multiple people |
| 14:03.37 | k`sOSe | samantha: o yes mighty samantha teach me all you know |
| 14:03.43 | sbyrne | Is there a way to get a list of installed packages that are not available from the sources in my sources.list? |
| 14:03.43 | themill | samantha--: don't waste your time or energy on him |
| 14:03.53 | tarzeau | does someone have a blog which is debian related and he'd like to interlink? |
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| 14:06.23 | jaggz- | Error: bad username; while reading /etc/crontab |
| 14:06.25 | themill | sbyrne: /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 14:06.36 | jaggz- | I have it formatted with * * * * * root /path/to/script.sh |
| 14:06.48 | jaggz- | it all looks fine.. :/ |
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| 14:07.31 | Offshore | ppl |
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| 14:08.08 | Offshore | how to uninstall apache 2.2.8 installed with configure...make...make install? :/ |
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| 14:08.54 | Offshore | debian etch 40r3... |
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| 14:09.42 | wols | Offshore: ask apache |
| 14:09.47 | jaggz- | converts all tabs to spaces |
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| 14:10.46 | Offshore | wols, no such grep results in readme||docs |
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| 14:12.24 | wols | #aI meant the apache foundation |
| 14:12.33 | wols | or #apache for exemple |
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| 14:15.37 | keith4 | when using alien to convert an rpm, --scripts will include pre- and post-install scripts, right? is there any way to *see* those scripts? |
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| 14:16.04 | aNOOBisa | use mc to view those in the rpm |
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| 14:16.53 | ne2k__ | Offshore: there may be an "uninstall" target in that same makefile -- try it |
| 14:17.19 | ne2k__ | Offshore: otherwise, look at the makefile and inspect what the install target did, and then undo it |
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| 14:17.50 | twobitwork | does the default lenny kernel support tun/tap devices? I can modprobe the "tun" module... but qemu is complaining about not being able to configure it |
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| 14:20.45 | samantha-- | so i'm trying to start a vncserver. the problem is that every time i do, it doesn't actually start a wm. i've added exec startkde & in ~/.vnc/xstartup, and in ~/.xinitrc, and in ~/.xsession (which is overwritten every time i start X). where do i go from here? |
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| 14:23.52 | Offshore | [18:16] <ne2k__> Offshore: there may be an "uninstall" target in that same makefile -- try it -- tried it first |
| 14:24.34 | ne2k__ | Offshore: and? |
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| 14:24.46 | Offshore | [18:16] <ne2k__> Offshore: otherwise, look at the makefile and inspect what the install target did, and then undo it -- maso way ) |
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| 14:25.35 | ne2k__ | Offshore: no comprende |
| 14:25.43 | ne2k__ | Offshore: what does "maso way )" mean? |
| 14:25.48 | Offshore | ~/httpd-2.2.8# make uninstall |
| 14:25.48 | Offshore | make: *** No rule for target `uninstall'. Stop. |
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| 14:26.17 | ne2k__ | Offshore: yeah, ok, so inspect the Makefile, look for the install target, look at what it's doing, and then do the opposite steps. |
| 14:26.20 | Offshore | ne2k__, i think there are so much to do manually |
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| 14:26.32 | Offshore | ok, thx |
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| 14:26.50 | ne2k__ | Offshore: well perhaps there is an uninstall target but it's just not called that -- look in the documentation |
| 14:27.14 | Offshore | [18:10] <Offshore> wols, no such grep results in readme||docs |
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| 14:27.28 | Offshore | (about grepping 'uninst') |
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| 14:28.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I asked in another channel, but nobody responded: |
| 14:28.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | I was just at a friend's house, and he had a USB fingerprint reader which he used to log into his Windows machine. I was wondering if this is possible with Linux, and if there are any supported devices and compatible software... |
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| 14:28.57 | samantha-- | Dark_Apostrophe, it's theoretically possible. however, the fingerprint reader he most likely has is from microsoft, which works only in windows and is crippled to not support non-microsoft software. (specifically, it works only with IE, not with FF). |
| 14:29.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | He only uses it to log into windows |
| 14:29.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not for website passwords and such |
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| 14:29.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Instead of entering username/password, he just swipes his finger |
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| 14:29.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | And when his girlfriend does the same, she gets logged into her user on the computer |
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| 14:30.26 | samantha-- | i'm sure somebody's written a pam driver somewhere. |
| 14:30.36 | ne2k__ | Dark_Apostrophe: ! pam-bioapi |
| 14:30.40 | ne2k__ | !pam-bioapi |
| 14:30.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | BAD DPKG! |
| 14:30.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | :p |
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| 14:32.24 | slxix | Dark_Apostrophe: does he have a thinkpad? |
| 14:32.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, it's a desktop |
| 14:32.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | He built it himself, as have I with mine |
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| 14:34.18 | slxix | well, thinkwiki reports success. :) |
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| 14:35.11 | slxix | i think it's kind of neat to be able to login as different people depending on which finger you use. |
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| 14:38.01 | slxix | make sure you use your toe prints for extra security. |
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| 14:39.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | slxix: Well, maybe, but there's a slight practicality issue with that: |
| 14:39.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't wanna have to put my legs on my table. :P |
| 14:39.44 | benignbala | Hello, I am using Debian etch. But, I need to upgrade to gnome2.2. How do i do it? |
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| 14:40.07 | slxix | But your fingerprint is readily available. |
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| 14:40.10 | lindenle | what happened to the ibm_acpi package? |
| 14:40.19 | slxix | It's probably on your monitor right now. :) |
| 14:40.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | benignbala: Personally, I despise GNOME, but I imagine that adding lenny or sid repos would do the trick. |
| 14:40.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | slxix: Nah, I'm obsessive about keeping my monitors clean. |
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| 14:41.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | slxix: I never touch the surface of the monitor. :P |
| 14:41.13 | benignbala | Dark_Apostrophe: Thanks. |
| 14:41.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | I do, however, have a glass desk... Probably has hundreds of my fingerprints. |
| 14:41.59 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: don't tell people just that |
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| 14:42.02 | slxix | see if you can dust one and use tape to pick it up and scan it to log in :) |
| 14:42.07 | wols | benignbala: you will then not run etch anymore |
| 14:42.13 | wols | !tell benignbala about testing |
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| 14:42.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | slxix: Would be an interesting experiment |
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| 14:43.30 | slxix | Then you'll start using your toes. |
| 14:43.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | But basically, I don't need that much security... I don't store any data like credit card information or anything on my computer (otherwise, I'd rather be using hard drive encryption). I just want the convenience of not having to type my password. I'm a lazy git. :P |
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| 14:44.02 | benignbala | wols: I have a fast internet connection and so cannot manage a full upgrade to lenny. |
| 14:44.13 | benignbala | *do not have a fast connection |
| 14:44.27 | benignbala | wols: Sorry, that was a bad typo. |
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| 14:45.39 | wols | benignbala: you better do tho |
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| 14:45.57 | wols | benignbala: actually you probably shouldn't load any lenny packages at all |
| 14:46.02 | wols | !tell benignbala about bobbitt |
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| 14:46.26 | benignbala | wols: Why ? anything wrong in loading lenny packages? |
| 14:46.29 | wols | which is why what Dark_Apostrophe told you a very stupid idea |
| 14:46.34 | Vutral | hello |
| 14:46.40 | cloakable | Video playback on my computer is jerky. Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 14:46.43 | wols | read the factoid I just gave you |
| 14:46.45 | Vutral | could someone fix that smp problem on dual-cores |
| 14:46.53 | slxix | cloakable: i've never used your computer. |
| 14:46.58 | wols | !btssmite Vutral |
| 14:46.58 | dpkg | beats Vutral around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Vutral is running Unstable |
| 14:46.59 | Vutral | the solutions is very easy |
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| 14:47.02 | Vutral | you just need to use schedtool to set affinity to cpu0 only |
| 14:47.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: I didn't say do a dist-upgrade, just get the gnome packages and dependencies |
| 14:47.14 | wols | that's no fix Vutral |
| 14:47.21 | Vutral | thats a fix ^^ |
| 14:47.28 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: yes. I said you said a stupid thing, didn't I? |
| 14:47.29 | Vutral | it works for openntpd and ntpd |
| 14:47.38 | Vutral | with smp kernel ^^ |
| 14:47.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: Um.. k. |
| 14:47.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I won't bother asking. |
| 14:47.52 | wols | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about bobbitt |
| 14:47.54 | cloakable | Vutral: kaffeine or xine? or both? |
| 14:48.01 | wols | mixing branches is not supported |
| 14:48.03 | Vutral | well if the TSC cunters were marked witht the cpunumber it did work too |
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| 14:48.13 | Vutral | cloakable: wut |
| 14:48.38 | wols | cloakable: what videodriver? |
| 14:48.48 | cloakable | wols: nv |
| 14:49.02 | cloakable | os dual Athlon MP 1700+ |
| 14:49.05 | Vutral | novideo card |
| 14:49.06 | cloakable | *on |
| 14:49.11 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 14:49.16 | benignbala | wols: Well, it will take me more time to get to lenny. But what is wrong if i do a dist-upgrade, if you can please be more explanatory. |
| 14:49.55 | wols | benignbala: running dist-upgrade is not wrong per se. just be warned that lenny has bugs and you are expected to deal with them yourself |
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| 14:50.18 | benignbala | wols: Oh. ok.I understand. |
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| 14:50.54 | wols | benignbala: only installing gnome and dependencies as Dark_Apostrophe is bad however |
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| 14:51.09 | bulio | I have to reboot everytime a new kernel image update is released? |
| 14:51.15 | benignbala | wols: Just waiting for a stable release of lenny and i will get a copy from my local GLUG. |
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| 14:51.21 | benignbala | wols: Yes. I got it. |
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| 14:51.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | benignbala: Pay someone to download every single package in lenny and sid, burn it on a disc and mail it to you. |
| 14:52.00 | bulio | anyone? |
| 14:52.12 | wols | bulio: yes |
| 14:52.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | bulio: You do not have to reboot. |
| 14:52.19 | Vutral | mhm |
| 14:52.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | bulio: You do, however, have to, if you want to use the new kernel. |
| 14:52.25 | wols | to run load a new kernel a reboot is necessary |
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| 14:52.38 | bulio | so I guess I have to reboot then |
| 14:52.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | But you can still run the existing kernel ad infinitum. |
| 14:52.44 | bulio | there goes 88 days of uptime |
| 14:52.44 | Vutral | funny |
| 14:52.46 | benignbala | Dark_Apostrophe: Ok. I will ask my friends. Thanks. |
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| 14:52.51 | Vutral | ntpd runs too times |
| 14:52.51 | Vutral | or so |
| 14:52.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | It won't force you to reboot like windows does. |
| 14:53.12 | Vutral | with diffrent peers |
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| 14:53.55 | Vutral | mhm very strange |
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| 14:55.05 | cloakable | nope, setting kaffeine to an affinity for cpu0 didn't solve anything |
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| 14:55.49 | Vutral | fix your alsa |
| 14:55.52 | Vutral | @ cloakable |
| 14:56.41 | cloakable | Vutral: I don't think anythings wrong with the audio. That plays smoothly. |
| 14:57.05 | cloakable | It's the video that jerks every couple of seconds |
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| 15:00.28 | Vutral | cloakable: try schedtool -R or so |
| 15:00.33 | Vutral | ^^ |
| 15:01.08 | bulio | if I don't reboot into the new kernel, and a newer one comes out, will not rebooting have affected anything? |
| 15:01.32 | dav | how can i see the latest packages i installed? |
| 15:01.44 | hoxu | !dpkg.log |
| 15:01.44 | dpkg | methinks dpkg.log is /var/log/dpkg.log is the default log file of dpkg, it contains list of latest status changes and upgrades to packages |
| 15:01.45 | cloakable | Vutral: Can i do that to a nonroot program? |
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| 15:02.27 | hoxu | bulio, I don't think so |
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| 15:05.05 | cloakable | Vutral: Nope, it became noticeably faster, but still with regular jerking |
| 15:05.28 | n3kl | Is there any risk with someone discovering your public ssh keys? |
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| 15:07.38 | xushi | n3kl: it's a public key. there shouldn't be a risk |
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| 15:10.24 | Orion_X11 | is lotus symphony already in debian? |
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| 15:12.18 | wols | !tell Orion_X11 about search |
| 15:13.08 | wols | n3kl: the public key is handed everyon on request by your running daemon. howeever: if it's a vulnberable key, then yes there is a big risk |
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| 15:14.47 | n3kl | wols: thats what I thought. I have since changed all of my keys |
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| 15:15.08 | n3kl | Man, changing all the keys and distributing them for key authentication was a huge pain in the @$$ |
| 15:16.17 | wols | was your pubkey vulnerable? |
| 15:16.28 | n3kl | most of them were, yes |
| 15:16.52 | n3kl | I think there may have been one or two that were not, but I generated them anyway |
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| 15:18.04 | tip_1 | hi.. how can i change refresh rate with randr?? |
| 15:18.19 | samantha-- | so i'm trying to start a vncserver. the problem is that every time i do, it doesn't actually start a wm. i've added exec startkde & in ~/.vnc/xstartup, and in ~/.xinitrc, and in ~/.xsession (which is overwritten every time i start X). where do i go from here? |
| 15:18.44 | n3kl | tip_1: I think you do xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768@60 |
| 15:19.02 | xsdg | tip_1: `xrandr -h` |
| 15:19.05 | n3kl | tip_1: oppse, no its just -r for rate |
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| 15:21.54 | tip_1 | n3kl, ok but im in touble 640x480@53.. i have widescreen laptop.. i want to change rendering to 640x480@57 Hz.. and it must be default |
| 15:22.06 | dbmoodb1 | hi ah there seems to be a shortcut problem in debian lenny's oo.o |
| 15:22.19 | dbmoodb1 | (in impress) |
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| 15:22.45 | n3kl | tip_1: xsdg told you a very usefull command |
| 15:23.10 | n3kl | tip_1: but if you want it permanant, try man xorg.conf |
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| 15:23.34 | Vutral | he |
| 15:23.41 | Vutral | i wonder |
| 15:23.54 | Vutral | if i start ntpd on my dual-core i got 2 processes |
| 15:23.55 | tip_1 | n3kl, yes i want permanantli change |
| 15:23.59 | Vutral | like on a single one |
| 15:24.04 | Vutral | but i noticed strange behavior |
| 15:24.16 | Vutral | i got both processes reporting taht they want to adjust |
| 15:24.53 | tip_1 | n3kl, im reading xorg.conf man page now.. thanks for helps |
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| 15:25.34 | n3kl | tip_1: there are some very usefull guide on the internet for all kinds of neat xorg stuff |
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| 15:26.22 | Vutral | i think i found the problem |
| 15:26.33 | Vutral | it must have todo with the memory at all |
| 15:27.04 | Vutral | only difference between regular smp and dualcore smp is that the first got dedicated memory per processor |
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| 15:27.28 | tip_1 | n3kl, i hate nvidia drivers.. i have many bugs with these |
| 15:27.39 | Vutral | mhmhm |
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| 15:30.36 | gamla_kossan | hey folks, got this error when I wanted to run apt-get upgrade just now: |
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| 15:30.40 | ArthurArchnix | Hi...so I installed Lenny today, got my intel wireless going. And I can connect to some networks. But I'm wondering what methods are available? I'm using xfce. I wouldn't mind just setting up network profiles in /etc/network/interfaces, but my initial experiments with that have caused the boot up to pause while it attempts to get a working dhcp lease, which can pause for a quite a while if the preferred network is down. Anywa |
| 15:30.45 | gamla_kossan | http://pastebin.com/d23d66bd3 |
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| 15:31.00 | gamla_kossan | so, when I tried 'apt-get -f install', I got this: |
| 15:31.06 | gamla_kossan | http://pastebin.com/d6a6f1c09 |
| 15:31.21 | gamla_kossan | now, I'm a little scared of doing that since this is a box in production.. |
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| 15:31.59 | gamla_kossan | now, unless I'm mistaken, this error is due to someone forcing to install some package |
| 15:32.19 | ArthurArchnix | Looks like its going to upgrade your apache from 2.0 to 2.2 and install some new apps as well to meet the new dependencies of the 2.2 |
| 15:32.50 | gamla_kossan | :> yeah.. but - do I really have the guts to go through with it? :> |
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| 15:33.29 | halflife08 | gamla_kossan: why are you running apt-get -f ? what broke in the first place ? |
| 15:33.42 | gamla_kossan | ArthurArchnix: I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but how about dhclient 'wifi-interface'? |
| 15:34.05 | gamla_kossan | halflife08: well, honestly, I don't know. I'm relatively new here. |
| 15:34.48 | gamla_kossan | halflife08: as for running apt-get -f install, that's what apt-get wants me to do when I try apt-get upgrade :> |
| 15:35.18 | halflife08 | gamla_kossan: what tree are you tracking ? |
| 15:35.32 | gamla_kossan | err, tree? |
| 15:35.41 | wols | gamla_kossan: debian branch |
| 15:35.42 | gamla_kossan | right |
| 15:35.48 | halflife08 | gamla_kossan: sarge,etch ? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:35.49 | gamla_kossan | this is a sarge install |
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| 15:35.59 | gamla_kossan | 3.1 |
| 15:36.06 | wols | gamla_kossan: uname -a |
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| 15:36.22 | gamla_kossan | Linux mah 2.4.27-mppe #1 Tue Jan 25 21:05:05 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:36.37 | wols | you didn't read the release notes. your upgrade with NOT work |
| 15:36.51 | wols | !tell gamla_kossan about sarge->etch |
| 15:36.59 | gamla_kossan | =) cheers mate |
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| 15:38.00 | gamla_kossan | so, would the easiest approach then be to migrate the whole box to another one= |
| 15:38.01 | gamla_kossan | ? |
| 15:38.20 | wols | no. the release notes haev a detailed upgrade howto |
| 15:38.30 | gamla_kossan | ah, great. |
| 15:38.31 | Bushmills | gamla_kossan: move harddisk to new machine |
| 15:38.56 | halflife08 | Bushmills: huh? how is that going to help ? |
| 15:38.59 | wols | but upgrading production boxes is always dicey of course |
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| 15:39.09 | gamla_kossan | yeah, I reckon |
| 15:39.11 | gamla_kossan | but still |
| 15:39.15 | Bushmills | " easiest approach then be to migrate the whole box to another one" |
| 15:39.20 | gamla_kossan | I'd rather have it done, you know what I mean :> |
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| 15:39.36 | wols | yes, good plan. sarge is unsupported now |
| 15:39.41 | gamla_kossan | yeah |
| 15:39.43 | gamla_kossan | :> |
| 15:40.14 | gamla_kossan | anywho, thanks a lot for the help guys. |
| 15:40.54 | hoxu | what's the debian way of doing 6to4 through 192.88.99.1? |
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| 15:41.01 | Scurz | hi |
| 15:41.28 | Scurz | I try to reinstall mysql-server-5.0 but I get a message : http://pastebin.com/mc003ec8 ; what to do ? |
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| 15:42.32 | wols | Scurz: check the logs |
| 15:42.35 | draeath | anyone know how the multi-arch netboot installer (i386, amd64, powerpc) chooses which to boot? IE, how can I make sure it's goign to boot the amd64 installer (as i386 will work, but is not what is desired?) |
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| 15:42.45 | dav | what algorithm is /etc/shadow using for encrypting passwords? |
| 15:43.07 | smacnay | is libperl5.8 needed on a "testing" machine - it seems that it is holding up the upgrade of a lot of packages |
| 15:43.21 | wols | dav: I think RC4 but check the manpages |
| 15:43.26 | Scurz | wols: nothing in syslog |
| 15:43.39 | Scurz | and in mysql.err and mysql.log |
| 15:43.41 | wols | mysql has its own log |
| 15:43.53 | wols | then try to run mysqld manually perhaps |
| 15:44.01 | smacnay | I also see that perl-base will be updated to a version 5.10.0-10 |
| 15:44.21 | themill | smacnay: not if you do a dist-upgrade; it should then be removed and the perl 5.8 to 5.10 transition will happen for you |
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| 15:44.46 | Scurz | wols: http://pastebin.com/m5cdfe8c7 |
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| 15:45.01 | smacnay | themill, thanks - was wondering about that before I made it happen |
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| 15:46.54 | cr3 | how can I extract the postinst script from a debian package file? |
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| 15:47.11 | draeath | cr3: should be able to extract it as if it was a tarfile (?) |
| 15:47.27 | Eulex | no, arfile |
| 15:47.40 | draeath | arfile? |
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| 15:47.51 | Eulex | yes, .deb packages are ar archives |
| 15:47.53 | halflife08 | cr3: ar x debfile |
| 15:48.00 | hoxu | cr3, dpkg -e maybe, read the manpage |
| 15:48.07 | draeath | what the heck is an ar file? |
| 15:48.19 | Eulex | an archive format |
| 15:48.29 | draeath | older? |
| 15:48.36 | draeath | (looking it up now) |
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| 15:49.30 | groton_ | i installed mod_python package on Debian Lenny, but when i run "a2enmod mod_python" I get "Module mod_python does not exist!" Any idea? |
| 15:49.34 | cr3 | thanks folks! all the above worked fine :) |
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| 15:50.17 | Eulex | draeath, then the postinst script will be in control.tar.gz in the ar archive. |
| 15:51.26 | draeath | sweet, ar isn't standardized. /me scratches head at why you would 'ar' tarballs. |
| 15:51.27 | schmiddy` | groton_, what about "a2enmod python" ? |
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| 15:51.55 | groton_ | schmiddy`, it said me that the module is already enabled |
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| 15:52.09 | schmiddy` | groton_, then it probably is.. you should test it |
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| 15:52.31 | twisted`_ | ey, I just moved the users from an old machine to a new one (/etc/passwd, /etc/shadow), I can login, etc. but I can't change passwords through passwd, I get this authentication token error |
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| 15:52.44 | schmiddy` | there are a bunch of pages that tell you how to test whether mod_python is working |
| 15:52.48 | schmiddy` | w.g. http://www.dscpl.com.au/wiki/ModPython/Articles/GettingModPythonWorking |
| 15:52.51 | schmiddy` | e.g* |
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| 15:54.12 | groton_ | thanks |
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| 15:54.25 | draeath | Really.. why on earth wyould a .deb be an ar achive, when it also uses tar (which has been around since the 80s!) - couldn't a tar could have been used just as easlily, and used one less tool? |
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| 15:55.09 | bkw | I've added MaxClients 2000 ServerLimit 2000 to my apache2.conf, but still when I start I get Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...WARNING: MaxClients of 2000 exceeds ServerLimit value of 256 servers |
| 15:56.31 | hoxu | draeath, ar isn't only used for debs, it's used for C libraries and stuff, look it up |
| 15:56.54 | jonaskoelker | anyone knows their way around uim? I'm trying to type japanese in my xterm with uim-xim, but it's the epic fail |
| 15:57.03 | schmiddy` | bkw, have you seen http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mpm_common.html |
| 15:57.06 | jonaskoelker | I googled, found the guides, followed them. To no avail. |
| 15:57.14 | schmiddy` | If both ServerLimit and MaxClients are set to values higher than the system can handle, Apache may not start or the system may become unstable. |
| 15:57.28 | debian_usr | Hi, I have debian-sid and no matter what i do i can't get EDID detection for my monitor working with nvidia driver (nv works, nvidia with EDID off gives a resolution smaller than 640x480) and i dont think my monitor is broken because nothing changed |
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| 15:57.50 | draeath | hoxu: i see that, but im still confused as to why you would use it over something that has a definitive standard (posix-1988/posix-2001) vs ar, which only has a 'common' format which even then is divided into a GNU and BSD format. Just seems silly to me (being an outside to the process) |
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| 15:58.09 | schmiddy` | a ServerLimit of 2000 is insanely high -- you are attempting to let apache fork 2000 processes |
| 15:58.42 | schmiddy` | I believe MaxClients (max #threads IIRC) can be at most some multiple of ServerLimit |
| 15:58.49 | schmiddy` | i think the multiple is 8 , i forget |
| 15:58.57 | draeath | hoxu: whoops meant POSIX.1-1988 and POSIX.1-2001 |
| 15:59.07 | schmiddy` | but if you set too high Apache should automatically just use the max that it can |
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| 16:01.56 | wols | schmiddy`: run the binary, not the init script |
| 16:02.06 | bkw | schmiddy`: http://pastebin.ca/1038723 It is correct setup? |
| 16:02.22 | bkw | schmiddy`: I did change the MaxClients above 256 |
| 16:02.29 | webPragmatis1 | is it possible to rename a user? |
| 16:02.39 | jonaskoelker | webPragmatis1: deluser |
| 16:02.41 | dav | how can i see the latest packages i installed? |
| 16:02.46 | jonaskoelker | webPragmatis1: sorry, misread |
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| 16:02.55 | wols | dav: tail /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:02.56 | liable | dav: dpkg.log |
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| 16:03.12 | hoxu | webPragmatis1, man usermod, and be careful |
| 16:03.21 | private_meta | hi, i have a small question. is it possible to start a program (with a parameter) with a certain pid, via shell/command line? |
| 16:03.39 | hoxu | private_meta, why do you think you need to do that? |
| 16:03.46 | abrotman | with a certain PID ? why? |
| 16:03.47 | wols | PIDs are assigned by the kernel |
| 16:04.09 | dav | wols: it shows only those installed with dpkg |
| 16:04.18 | dav | what about those with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 16:04.20 | liable | yes |
| 16:04.21 | private_meta | hoxu: i need to kill a certain program i started by a cron job, but there are other programs of the same name, so i can't use killall, and i don't know how else to do it |
| 16:04.26 | wols | dav: every package is installed by dpkg. no exception |
| 16:05.07 | wols | private_meta: your initial questin and your explanation are disjunct |
| 16:05.10 | liable | private_meta: you may be able to get that program to write the pid file to a certain spot, then read the file and kill it. |
| 16:05.20 | webPragmatis1 | hoxu: is it possible to merge two users? |
| 16:05.35 | hoxu | webPragmatis1, what do you mean by merging? |
| 16:05.40 | schmiddy` | bkw: By default, the MaxClients parameter has a compiled in hard limit of 256. This can be changed by recompiling Apache however. |
| 16:05.46 | schmiddy` | bkw: from http://2bits.com/articles/tuning-the-apache-maxclients-parameter.html |
| 16:05.54 | private_meta | wols: how so? i start a program with a certain pid, so i can kill it afterwards, automated, that would have been my idea |
| 16:06.00 | webPragmatis1 | hoxu: well sort of like deleting a user... and then switching anything it owns to another user |
| 16:06.01 | schmiddy` | bkw: so you might need to recompile Apache if you really need that many |
| 16:06.06 | hoxu | private_meta, modify the cron script to save the pid into a file, that's the standard way |
| 16:06.20 | wols | private_meta: then do what liable said |
| 16:06.29 | hoxu | webPragmatis1, delete the user but keep all files & home dir, then chown those to the other user |
| 16:06.31 | webPragmatis1 | hoxu: probably in reverse order heh |
| 16:06.33 | schmiddy` | bkw: if this is a *nix box, I recommend using mpm_worker, sort of my personal preference.. but benchmark different modules, see what works best for you |
| 16:07.09 | bkw | schmiddy`: would it work to run more than 256 with worked without recompile? |
| 16:07.19 | private_meta | liable: yeah, no idea tho how to do it >_> |
| 16:07.37 | wols | private_meta: with a script for example |
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| 16:07.52 | orange | !gay |
| 16:07.52 | wols | or a nonsense parameter (which gets ignored) but which is unique |
| 16:07.52 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:08.08 | private_meta | wols: that doesn't really help me a lot |
| 16:08.11 | wols | !tell orange about msg the bot |
| 16:08.12 | schmiddy` | bkw, i don't think so.. but with mpm_worker you use a mix of threads + processes, and you can have a lot of threads |
| 16:08.16 | wols | private_meta: why not? |
| 16:08.22 | orange | <3 |
| 16:08.25 | jonaskoelker | take help |
| 16:08.25 | jonaskoelker | I see no help here |
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| 16:08.45 | n3kl | Anyone know how to enable ssl with the regular ftp client? |
| 16:08.55 | wols | orange: do you have a debian related question? |
| 16:08.58 | webPragmatis1 | hoxu: thanks |
| 16:09.04 | orange | wols i'm in love with dpkg |
| 16:09.13 | orange | wols this is me http://n0ah.org |
| 16:09.19 | orange | show my pic to dpkg |
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| 16:09.22 | wols | that's nice but disgusting but take it elsewhere |
| 16:09.26 | bkw | schmiddy`: Can I easily swap between preform and worker? |
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| 16:10.24 | n0ah | kekeke sorry about that |
| 16:10.27 | n0ah | it was for the #solaris channel |
| 16:10.30 | n0ah | they asked me what my point in life was |
| 16:10.34 | n0ah | i said to find stuff like this |
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| 16:11.21 | ih2oi | Morning folks |
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| 16:11.33 | dbmoodb1 | !god |
| 16:11.33 | dpkg | methinks god is Incorporeal |
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| 16:12.17 | ih2oi | I can't remember anything about IRSSI.:D |
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| 16:12.37 | n3kl | What is a free cli ftp client that supports ssl on linux? |
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| 16:13.41 | halflife08 | n3kl: sftp |
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| 16:13.54 | webPragmatis1 | anyone here ever port PHP 5.2.5+ to etch (from lenny or even sid?) |
| 16:13.58 | schmiddy` | bkw, i think you have to recompile apache with the desired mpm |
| 16:14.07 | halflife08 | webPragmatis1: check backports |
| 16:14.11 | webPragmatis1 | there's none |
| 16:14.12 | webPragmatis1 | in backports |
| 16:14.20 | schmiddy` | bkw, it's pretty easy, you just add the --with-mpm=worker flag during the ./configure |
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| 16:14.33 | webPragmatis1 | I am following the guide to port over the sources and i can't figure out how to meet all the dependency requirements |
| 16:14.41 | debian_usr | webPragmatis1, you should always source compile LAMP setups |
| 16:14.43 | n3kl | halflife08: doesn't that use ssh? |
| 16:14.45 | webPragmatis1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 16:14.56 | schmiddy` | from a quick bit of googling i don't see any way other than recompiling (i believe because the mpm is not loaded dynamically, but is compiled in) |
| 16:15.07 | webPragmatis1 | debian_usr: I don't use mysql heh |
| 16:15.15 | schmiddy` | you can see the modules you're running with "httpd -l" -- you should see prefork.c in there right now if that's what you're currently using |
| 16:15.21 | debian_usr | that'll cut down your compile time then |
| 16:15.26 | bkw | schmiddy`: I think default debian packages use worker, don't they |
| 16:15.27 | bkw | ? |
| 16:15.27 | wols | webPragmatis1: apt has a "install dependencies" setting for source installs |
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| 16:16.11 | schmiddy` | bkw, not actually using debian at the moment, but check httpd -l |
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| 16:16.43 | halflife08 | n3kl: http://linuxgazette.net/139/misc/lg/ftp_client_suppporting_ssl_tls.html |
| 16:16.45 | schmiddy` | so you'll have to compile from source.. but apache is easy to compile, no weird dependencies |
| 16:17.25 | maniacxs | Hi there, i am trying to bind mount home directories into a chroot, but the owner of these home dirs is root (in the chroot) any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 16:17.42 | maniacxs | they are automounted with autofs |
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| 16:19.46 | abrotman | bkw: you don't have to recompile |
| 16:19.47 | torrrg | can i use .deb that are for ubuntu? |
| 16:20.05 | abrotman | no |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | you can try .. it might blow up .. you get to keep the pieces |
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| 16:20.25 | torrrg | o |
| 16:20.29 | abrotman | u |
| 16:20.30 | torrrg | damn |
| 16:21.01 | torrrg | why all linuxes don't join forces and make a universal installation mechanism? |
| 16:21.15 | ih2oi | It's against the will of god. |
| 16:21.23 | abrotman | torrrg: ##windows is down the alphabet :) |
| 16:21.45 | liable | you mean the FSM |
| 16:21.47 | webPragmatis1 | wols: for dpkg-buildpackage there is? |
| 16:21.49 | torrrg | one distro put the file under that dir the other under that dir, what's the difference |
| 16:21.59 | abrotman | torrrg: then go write it |
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| 16:22.29 | alfatau | hi guys, someone can advise me a way to force all hosts connected to a lan to renew the ip-address, "re-asking" a new ip-address to the dhcpd server? I modified the server configuration and i want all clients connected to the lan cease to have theirs ip-addresses... restarting dhcpd has no effect and clients maintain their former ip-address :( |
| 16:22.58 | torrrg | abrotman: humm |
| 16:23.06 | bkw | abrotman: But php5 seem to conflict apache2-mpm-worker :( so it gets removed when I try to install worker instead of prefork. |
| 16:23.34 | torrrg | abrotman: I will need help |
| 16:24.13 | wols | webPragmatis1: what did I say? |
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| 16:24.58 | webPragmatis1 | (11:15:21 AM) wols: webPragmatis1: apt has a "install dependencies" setting for source installs |
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| 16:25.46 | wols | now read that until you understand it |
| 16:25.57 | lindenle | Can someone help me get acpi working on my laptop again? |
| 16:26.06 | wols | !anyone |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:26.13 | wols | what did you do to make it stop working? |
| 16:26.14 | draeath | Does anyone know an easy way to tell apt/dpkg/etc to install -doc and -dev packages with the binaries, but not every random suggestion/recommend the maintainer added? |
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| 16:26.35 | abrotman | bkw: right .. that's normal .. use worker |
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| 16:26.59 | abrotman | torrrg: freshmeat.net .. look there |
| 16:27.41 | abrotman | draeath: it only does recommends .. man aptitude if you don't want those |
| 16:27.57 | bkw | abrotman: What do you mean? I need php5 packages. apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker removes the php5 packages. |
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| 16:29.10 | draeath | abrotman: abrotman I guess i should submit a wishlist bug then? |
| 16:29.16 | abrotman | no |
| 16:29.19 | draeath | arg, double-tabbed |
| 16:29.42 | abrotman | bkw: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 .. problem solved |
| 16:30.00 | abrotman | draeath: aptitude can be made to not install recommends .. |
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| 16:30.18 | draeath | abrotman: what's your suggestion then, if i want for instance: packages foo, foo-dev, foo-doc, but NOT foo-bar (which all are recommends) |
| 16:30.32 | abrotman | draeath: explicitly install the ones you want |
| 16:30.32 | draeath | for every instance of a -doc and -dev |
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| 16:31.01 | abrotman | bkw: IIRC when etch was released .. php5 was still pretty unstable with the other models |
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| 16:33.22 | draeath | there's no way to automatically handle what I'm asking for? |
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| 16:34.15 | bkw | abrotman: Installing apache2-mpm-worker removed -prefork apache, php5 too. |
| 16:34.27 | abrotman | write a script as a front end ? |
| 16:34.31 | bkw | abrotman: you cannot run worker together with php5 package |
| 16:34.42 | abrotman | bkw: no crap .. it's a dependency .. it's pretty obvious |
| 16:35.16 | abrotman | bkw: when i said earlier that oyu didn't have to recompile . i didn't know PHP was part of the equation |
| 16:35.58 | bkw | is apache2 easily recompiled on debian? |
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| 16:36.24 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure that if you recompile the versions already in etch .. you'll have the same issue |
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| 16:37.27 | bkw | abrotman: are there any solution running worker together with php5? |
| 16:37.34 | bkw | recompiling latest apache2? |
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| 16:38.32 | infinity1 | how do you get a process list with the nice info included? ps aux doesn't have a nice column |
| 16:38.43 | sdubois92 | I am having a problem with Debian on PPC and #debianppc is pretty much dead |
| 16:38.44 | n0ah | -o nice |
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| 16:39.09 | n0ah | man ps to get a full list of -o options |
| 16:40.09 | infinity1 | n0ah: its not a one letter job like 'ps aux' |
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| 16:40.12 | infinity1 | ? |
| 16:40.50 | n0ah | infinity1: no there is not a specific letter for showing nice values |
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| 16:41.01 | n0ah | -o takes a list of all the things you wish to show |
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| 16:41.10 | n0ah | you may though be able to do -o nice and add an option of aux |
| 16:41.19 | n0ah | a or u or x maybe, you'll have to play around with it |
| 16:41.25 | n0ah | that way you won't have to list them all with -o |
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| 16:44.42 | epox2 | ola |
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| 16:45.14 | bahadunn | anyone have network security appliance running debian? |
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| 16:45.46 | t4num0y_cs3 | hi.. i have a problem.. |
| 16:46.12 | wols | bahadunn: do you have a debian support question? |
| 16:46.14 | t4num0y_cs3 | 1 of debian distro called sidux is boot in my virtual mechine.. but not in real... |
| 16:46.29 | wols | !sidux |
| 16:46.29 | dpkg | [sidux] <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from http://sidux.com/Article2.html] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>). |
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| 16:46.33 | bahadunn | wols: why do you ask? |
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| 16:46.50 | wols | bahadunn: cause this is a debian support channel |
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| 16:47.04 | t4num0y_cs3 | dpkg, they refer me here... |
| 16:47.04 | dpkg | t4num0y_cs3: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 16:47.19 | wols | t4num0y_cs3: we do not support sidux. that's it |
| 16:47.24 | spreeuw | PEBKAC |
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| 16:47.52 | bahadunn | wols: so you are telling me that to ask about network appliances to run debian on is illegal now? |
| 16:48.03 | t4num0y_cs3 | wols, what about mepis?? it is also a debian... and have same problem in my mechine.. |
| 16:48.14 | wols | t4num0y_cs3: we support debian ONLY. nothing else. |
| 16:48.19 | wols | !tell t4num0y_cs3 based on debian |
| 16:48.21 | Nigromante | hello |
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| 16:48.36 | wols | bahadunn: I don't know of any law making it illegal |
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| 16:49.04 | bahadunn | wols: you knwo what I mean |
| 16:49.15 | wols | !tell t4num0y_cs3 about based on debian |
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| 16:49.53 | wols | bahadunn: so do you |
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| 16:51.02 | bahadunn | I dont see how asking people what network type hardware they run debian on so I can get an idea of what is available is off topic |
| 16:51.18 | wols | bahadunn: is it a debian support question? |
| 16:51.24 | bahadunn | this channel just keeps going further and further down the crapper |
| 16:51.41 | bahadunn | wols: and you are the one pushing it down the most it seems |
| 16:51.44 | wols | you're free to ask for support elsewhere. we don't hold you back |
| 16:51.53 | stew | bahadunn: wols: please just drop it |
| 16:51.54 | Nigromante | i have the typical Realtek Ethernet |
| 16:52.19 | Nigromante | also ipw2200 and intel gigabit |
| 16:52.25 | bahadunn | look I want to know if there is any x86 network type hardware that anyone here in this channle might have that can run debian |
| 16:52.37 | stew | bahadunn: i have a network security appliance running debian in the form an old dell pentium |
| 16:52.41 | bahadunn | if no one knows what I am talking about just say so |
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| 16:53.02 | bahadunn | stew: I mean something that is more like a network switch |
| 16:53.08 | Nigromante | ah |
| 16:53.20 | bahadunn | like with a via nab 7500 type board or something like that |
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| 16:54.45 | stew | bahadunn: if you find one that can run a recent linux kernel, it can most likely run debian as long as it has a few hundred megabytes of storage and at least 32 (preferably 64) MB of ram |
| 16:55.25 | wols | stew: what installer would one use with 32MB RAM? |
| 16:55.37 | wols | IIRC you need around 48+ for etch, at least on x86 |
| 16:55.55 | bahadunn | I guess you guys dont really know what I am talking about |
| 16:55.58 | lindenle | kde control panel is telling me that i need "ac adaptor" and "control method battery" in my kernel config. I looked in /boot/ and the config says they are both modules does anyone know the names? |
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| 16:56.08 | stew | wols: debootstrap |
| 16:56.33 | wols | stew: and what base OS? the one that's already on the device? |
| 16:56.43 | wols | hope it's not vxworks or such :) |
| 16:56.48 | stew | wols: what do you mean by base OS? |
| 16:57.02 | wols | debootstrap needs a working OS to run debootstrap on no? |
| 16:57.10 | stew | sure, i'd probably do it in debian |
| 16:57.16 | stew | since all my machines run debian |
| 16:57.37 | stew | but i'm not planning on doing this |
| 16:57.44 | wols | you mean you'd prepare a mini debian installation outside the box and transfer it over as a firmware update? |
| 16:57.59 | stew | wols: on what hardware specifically? |
| 16:58.22 | wols | any hardware with 32MB where the default debian installer won't work due to lack of RAM |
| 16:58.30 | stew | wols: i'd need to know the specifics |
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| 17:00.43 | revmoo | can someone explain to me why I cannot apt-get remove sendmail? It claims it's not installed |
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| 17:00.47 | revmoo | Package sendmail is not installed, so not removed |
| 17:00.49 | revmoo | dotdotcomslash:/# which sendmail |
| 17:00.52 | revmoo | /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 17:01.16 | hoxu | revmoo, dpkg -S $(which sendmail) |
| 17:01.18 | wols | revmoo: every MTA has a /usr/bin/sendmail for compatibility sake |
| 17:01.26 | wols | do wha hoxu said |
| 17:01.27 | revmoo | didn't know that |
| 17:01.33 | revmoo | dotdotcomslash:/# dpkg -S $(which sendmail) |
| 17:01.33 | revmoo | dpkg: /usr/sbin/sendmail not found. |
| 17:01.33 | dpkg | revmoo: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:01.40 | revmoo | wtf? |
| 17:01.56 | hoxu | !next |
| 17:01.56 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 17:04.29 | trash80 | [12:03] <Prototyp_> what is apt/dpkg ? |
| 17:04.40 | trash80 | oops, sry guys wrong tab |
| 17:05.05 | hoxu | !flw |
| 17:05.05 | dpkg | <greycat> hsn: what the hell did you do? plug in an IDE drive while the system was powered on?!? <hsn> greycat , yes . cant do this ? |
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| 17:13.57 | jelly | "flw"? |
| 17:14.14 | jelly | !wtf flw |
| 17:14.15 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what flw means... |
| 17:14.21 | fedya | is there a guide somewhere on how different services are configured, it's so confusing, some are xinetd, others are standalone, etc |
| 17:14.22 | jelly | me neither, dpkg |
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| 17:14.42 | wols | fedya: no guide. each daemon is different, some can use both |
| 17:14.44 | fedya | rcconf shows openser which i installed as a package, i built asterisk and rcconf doesnt show it |
| 17:14.48 | jelly | fedya: case by case basis :-| |
| 17:14.57 | fedya | sooo confusing : ( |
| 17:15.17 | wols | fedya: .deb? |
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| 17:15.22 | wols | the asterisk I mean |
| 17:15.32 | fedya | asterisk, i built from source |
| 17:15.39 | fedya | by downloading the tarball |
| 17:15.41 | wols | then of course it doesn't show |
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| 17:16.11 | fedya | but it was configured to run as a service on startup somehow, now i want to disable it |
| 17:16.29 | jelly | fedya: could be an init script |
| 17:16.33 | fedya | it is |
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| 17:16.54 | jelly | fedya: look for /etc/rc?.d/[SK]??asterisk* or similar |
| 17:17.16 | fedya | and then what? |
| 17:17.18 | abrotman | jelly: famous last words |
| 17:17.30 | jelly | fedya: you'll want to remove any S* links for it in rc1.d or rc2.d or rcS.d |
| 17:17.49 | fedya | rcS? |
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| 17:18.31 | fedya | why are there rc0-6 when my system is in runlevel 2 all the time? |
| 17:18.38 | jelly | fedya: man init |
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| 17:20.11 | stew | fedya: your system isn't in runlevel 2 all the time. for example its in 1 during singleuser, 0 when halting, 6 when rebooting |
| 17:20.12 | jelly | fedya: most services are use /etc/rc2.d/S* links, but not all |
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| 17:20.39 | fedya | making more sense now, never seen this man page before :) |
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| 17:21.21 | jelly | see also SEE ALSO |
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| 17:23.11 | andreiutz | how do i install debian testing netinstall ? |
| 17:23.20 | SerajewelKS | !d-i |
| 17:23.20 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 17:23.37 | SerajewelKS | andreiutz: have you checked debian.org? |
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| 17:24.10 | andreiutz | SerajewelKS yes but i can find netinst just for stable release |
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| 17:25.02 | andreiutz | SerajewelKS is it possbile to do a netinstall with a testing image ? |
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| 17:25.22 | SerajewelKS | andreiutz: yes |
| 17:25.31 | telemachus | andreiutz: there are netinstall images for etch and lenny, yes |
| 17:25.31 | andreiutz | SerajewelKS: how ? |
| 17:25.32 | abrotman | andreiutz: the link is above |
| 17:25.48 | andreiutz | abrotman: where ? |
| 17:25.50 | SerajewelKS | andreiutz: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ like dpkg said |
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| 17:26.05 | andreiutz | oh, thank you |
| 17:26.10 | abrotman | andreiutz: read the whole factiod |
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| 17:28.27 | fedya | so howcome asterisk isnt listed in rcconf?, i found the file /var/lib/rcconf/services... should asterisk be in there somehow? |
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| 17:29.11 | musikgoat | running debian on an embedded machine, new install, does debian (lenny testing) usually has 3 updates twice daily? the 3 files are the exact same size and same name, the .pdiff files that is |
| 17:29.18 | Bi||aBong | i can't get connect to internet |
| 17:29.19 | fedya | man rcconf says that it uses /etc/init.d/ to get a list of services and scans rc?.d to see if they're enabled or disabled |
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| 17:29.28 | wols | mimcpher: can be more can be less |
| 17:29.40 | wols | fedya: is asterisk in /etc/init.d/? |
| 17:29.41 | abrotman | Bi||aBong: the internet doesn't want you |
| 17:29.49 | fedya | yes |
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| 17:30.01 | wols | Bi||aBong: until you give us more info to work with this will stay this way |
| 17:30.02 | abrotman | !tell Bi||aBong about interfaces |
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| 17:30.39 | fedya | there's also 3 different mysql scripts in init.d but only one (mysql-ndb) is in rcconf |
| 17:30.55 | ezguy | how can i reconfig the xserver? |
| 17:31.07 | wols | !tell ezguy about drxx |
| 17:31.36 | Bi||aBong | i have installed slackware and the motherboard is PC-Chips P17G |
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| 17:32.34 | wols | Bi||aBong: that is great but you're in a debian channel. do you run debian? |
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| 17:32.47 | Bi||aBong | yes |
| 17:33.02 | wols | Bi||aBong: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:33.07 | wols | what does this say? |
| 17:33.07 | fedya | sysvconfig package seems to show more |
| 17:33.10 | Bi||aBong | i test with Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian and Slackware |
| 17:33.10 | Sammy_Food_Run | anyone who knows how to create a gtk theme? |
| 17:33.15 | Sammy_Food_Run | khis, about threads or about fork()? |
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| 17:35.58 | fas3r | what's the better apt source ftp.debian.org or ftp2.debian.org ? |
| 17:36.02 | Sammy_Food_Run | i doubt it |
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| 17:36.08 | eth01 | fas3r: where do ya live? |
| 17:36.12 | Nigromante | which place are you |
| 17:36.15 | fas3r | eth01 france |
| 17:36.23 | eth01 | ok, in your situtation. ftp.* is best |
| 17:36.25 | Nigromante | ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 17:36.33 | fas3r | not the ftp2 ? |
| 17:36.41 | Nigromante | use a mirror |
| 17:36.44 | eth01 | but yes, ftp.fr.* would of course be better :-) |
| 17:36.56 | Nigromante | i use ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 17:36.56 | wols | fas3r: ftp.debian.org and ftp2.debian.org are in the US. ftp.fr.debian.org is in france |
| 17:37.05 | musikgoat | running debian on an embedded machine, new install, does debian (lenny testing) usually has 3 updates twice daily? the 3 files are the exact same size and same name, for example, 3 of this file: |
| 17:37.05 | musikgoat | Get:7 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main 2008-05-30-2012.21.pdiff [2810B] |
| 17:37.07 | eth01 | wols: no. |
| 17:37.07 | fas3r | oki |
| 17:37.13 | Sammy_Food_Run | file: what?\ |
| 17:37.14 | eth01 | but i'm not willing to debate that. |
| 17:37.17 | fas3r | and ftp2.fr.debian.org :) |
| 17:37.22 | Sammy_Food_Run | thinking people detest all these candidates |
| 17:38.02 | wols | musikgoat: you've been told |
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| 17:38.33 | musikgoat | sorry wols i don't see that |
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| 17:39.40 | wols | eth01: a traceroute of ftp.debian.org ends at 23 debian-mirror.mirror.umn.edu (128.101.240.212) 185.661 ms 188.619 ms 190.004 ms |
| 17:40.01 | fedya | http://www.sendspace.com/file/x9jvpk <-- any idea what causes the funky letter borders? i have the encoding in putty set to UTF-8? |
| 17:40.04 | Sammy_Food_Run | kl4m: everything looks normal for iwconfig, essid, channel, bit rate, ap, link quality. i also verified that the ap allows the laptop mac. (using wpa psk tkip) btw. |
| 17:40.06 | Sammy_Food_Run | i can. |
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| 17:40.12 | eth01 | wols: do it again |
| 17:40.21 | Sammy_Food_Run | i don't recall him saying i wasn't allowed to be sleepy. |
| 17:40.33 | musikgoat | wols: can you tell me again? I don't see it in my log |
| 17:40.50 | wols | eth01: same result. dig shows the same IP too |
| 17:41.08 | eth01 | wols: hm |
| 17:41.23 | eth01 | dont really care tbh :-) |
| 17:41.28 | hoxu | eth01, maybe your service provider messes with the dns? :p |
| 17:41.46 | eth01 | hoxu: i don't recall changing it myself.. |
| 17:42.11 | themill | dpkg: ftp.debian.org |
| 17:42.11 | dpkg | themill: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 17:42.18 | abrotman | ftp.d.o resolves to multiple IPs |
| 17:42.19 | themill | dpkg: literal ftp.debian.org |
| 17:42.19 | dpkg | "ftp.debian.org" is "not the "main" mirror for debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead. Ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information." |
| 17:42.28 | abrotman | though you really shouldn't use it .. pick a better mirror |
| 17:42.42 | themill | dondelelcaro: you can add "ftp.debian.org" to your list of factoids that are misbehaving :( |
| 17:42.42 | eth01 | it did have multiple ip's once iirc |
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| 17:42.51 | abrotman | it still does |
| 17:42.57 | abrotman | and IIRC .. they're still all in the US |
| 17:42.59 | Sammy_Food_Run | hmm, i see |
| 17:43.27 | wols | abrotman: I only got one IP by dig |
| 17:43.34 | eth01 | Sammy_Food_Run: don't get your self banned in here too. |
| 17:43.35 | debian2_6_24_1am | no wifi connection at boot up onlysome time if i modprobe ndiswrapper wifi works fine only thing is if no wifi at boot the boot time takes forever it hangs at mta |
| 17:44.02 | abrotman | wols: doh .. yeah .. ftp.us.d.o is multiple |
| 17:44.11 | themill | fedya: make sure your locale is also utf8 and pick a better font for putty |
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| 17:46.36 | themill | fedya: /msg dpkg putty linedraw |
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| 17:47.06 | fas3r | with openssl ( for radius eap tls) when i generate certificat it's not necessary the information is equal ( for example 0.organizationName, countryName, stateOrProvinceName, etc .. ) ? |
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| 17:49.06 | fedya | themill: what is locale? where is it set? |
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| 17:49.10 | Sammy_Food_Run | ah |
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| 17:52.59 | Zequi | hello |
| 17:53.23 | Zequi | any helpme plz need assist APF fail on install |
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| 17:53.57 | spreeuw | Zequi: or did it succeed? |
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| 17:54.25 | Zequi | when install apf is simple ./install.sh |
| 17:54.29 | Zequi | the problem is |
| 17:54.29 | Sammy_Food_Run | any way to do that? |
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| 17:54.56 | jelly | what's apf? |
| 17:55.03 | Sammy_Food_Run | hai tom :3 |
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| 17:55.44 | Zequi | the problem is when reboot apf not start |
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| 17:56.02 | fedya | that doesnt seem to work |
| 17:56.06 | Sammy_Food_Run | a name as maria is very gud |
| 17:56.09 | tralala | !info apf |
| 17:56.13 | fedya | in some places it draws lines and others it draws qs |
| 17:56.19 | fedya | i've checked all the settings |
| 17:56.20 | dav | wols: it shows only those installed with dpkg |
| 17:56.20 | fedya | oh well |
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| 17:56.22 | dav | what about those with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 17:56.25 | Sammy_Food_Run | but they are like only reacting if you ask or say something that interest them |
| 17:56.27 | Sammy_Food_Run | it is |
| 17:56.40 | Zequi | dav .tar.gz onl |
| 17:56.42 | Zequi | only |
| 17:56.53 | dav | Zequi: what? |
| 17:57.15 | tralala | Zequi, there's no apf in debian |
| 17:57.43 | themill | dpkg: question Sammy_Food_Run |
| 17:57.43 | dpkg | Sammy_Food_Run: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
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| 17:57.50 | wols | dav: every single deb on your system is installed by dpkg and only by dpkg. nothing else. I already told you that |
| 17:57.53 | Sammy_Food_Run | do fighting moves afect dark pokemon? |
| 17:58.07 | dav | wols: im sorry i was away and lost it |
| 17:58.26 | mimcpher | Sammy_Food_Run, what are dark pokemon? Ones added past the original 150? |
| 17:58.31 | Sammy_Food_Run | yes |
| 17:58.33 | wols | abrotman: can you get off your lazy ass and make Sammy_Food_Run behave please? |
| 17:58.34 | Sammy_Food_Run | im random wooooooo :) |
| 17:58.35 | dav | wols: for example i did aptitude install nano but it didn't list it in dpkg.log |
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| 17:58.50 | wols | he's trolling the channel, even unsuccessfully for an hour now. |
| 17:58.57 | themill | dpkg: fix abrotman's shoulder |
| 17:58.58 | dpkg | takes abrotman's shoulder to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 17:59.13 | Sammy_Food_Run | no im not |
| 17:59.23 | wols | themill: threaten to break the other one too. maybe he will act then, out of fear |
| 17:59.34 | themill | Sammy_Food_Run: be silent or stay on topic |
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| 18:00.36 | bkw | Is the ia64 image what I want for Xeon server? |
| 18:00.40 | wols | bkw: no |
| 18:00.44 | wols | bkw: you want amd64 |
| 18:00.45 | Sammy_Food_Run | *lisa |
| 18:01.10 | bkw | wols: hm, okey. so amd64 is not only what it sounds as, only amd cpus? |
| 18:01.19 | wols | !tell bkw about amd64 |
| 18:01.22 | Sammy_Food_Run | wi-fi |
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| 18:01.54 | bkw | wols: OK, thanks. |
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| 18:05.02 | wwwnick | hi, does debian have some alternative to ncurses yast in suse? (yast4debian development is no longer developed...) |
| 18:05.13 | Seb | what's the easiest way to rebuild just one single module in a debian kernel ? |
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| 18:05.18 | Seb | wwwnick: aptitude ? |
| 18:05.18 | Sammy_Food_Run | np |
| 18:05.20 | fas3r | it's possible to list default lib ? |
| 18:05.36 | Seb | fas3r: ask a complete/detailed question |
| 18:05.44 | wols | Seb: you can't unless it's a module outside the kernel, like nvidia, of a wlan module. made with m-a |
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| 18:06.05 | petemc | sure you can |
| 18:06.16 | wols | petemc: how? |
| 18:06.20 | Sammy_Food_Run | generally i don't give out my personal details |
| 18:06.36 | Seb | it's the cifs module, i need one feature enabled |
| 18:06.37 | wols | !ops please make Sammy_Food_Run troll less |
| 18:06.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please make Sammy_Food_Run troll less |
| 18:06.39 | petemc | wols: make menuconfig, set it to m, make module modules_install ; depmod -a |
| 18:06.42 | Sammy_Food_Run | sppguest5722 - yes you can |
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| 18:06.57 | petemc | wols: doesnt work for everything, but works a lot of the time |
| 18:06.59 | wwwnick | Seb: aptitude is only for package management, yast is for system administration |
| 18:07.00 | Sammy_Food_Run | will the nvidia-glx-new packages be updated to the latest versions provided by nvidia before the next release of kubuntu? |
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| 18:07.12 | wols | wwwnick: debconf |
| 18:07.19 | Seb | wwwnick: oh, then "vi/emacs cp ls mv" should do :> |
| 18:07.29 | Seb | wols: no, he doesn't mean that |
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| 18:07.36 | Seb | wols: he means things like network settings, etc |
| 18:07.38 | wols | Seb: but that configures packages |
| 18:07.52 | Seb | wols: he needs system configuration, not package configuration |
| 18:08.22 | Seb | petemc: k, will do that |
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| 18:08.45 | wwwnick | Seb: this is not what i`m looking for, when i want to migrate one system to debian, i need to offer same "user friendly" ncurses administration tool for future admin of that system |
| 18:08.49 | Sammy_Food_Run | mre=mc^2 |
| 18:08.53 | Sammy_Food_Run | yatas: because you need a credit... oh, are you asking if other kinds of credit cards work? |
| 18:09.02 | fas3r | Seb: i want to verify if a library is used by my system |
| 18:09.09 | Seb | fas3r: define "used" |
| 18:09.19 | LoRez | Sammy_Food_Run: try #kubuntu |
| 18:09.43 | wols | LoRez: he is a troll. check his logs |
| 18:09.56 | wols | he writes random shit in the hope someone bites for an hour now |
| 18:09.59 | LoRez | must be summer |
| 18:09.59 | fedya | how do you edit the links in the rc?.d directories without having to manually delete them? |
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| 18:10.01 | Laser | does debian have gmake? |
| 18:10.03 | Sammy_Food_Run | we are nothing like america |
| 18:10.04 | ma3x | hello |
| 18:10.06 | fedya | and the service isnt in rcconf? |
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| 18:10.12 | LoRez | Laser: you trolling too? |
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| 18:10.23 | fas3r | if you prefer i have two lib ssl ( libssl.so.0.9.8 and libssl.so.0.9.7), i want to know if all of them is use |
| 18:10.24 | Seb | LoRez: apt-cache search gmake ? |
| 18:10.31 | fas3r | is need |
| 18:10.33 | Seb | fas3r: used by &what& ? |
| 18:10.33 | musikgoat | running debian on an embedded machine, new install, does debian (lenny testing) usually has 3 updates twice daily? the 3 files are the exact same size and same name |
| 18:10.37 | Sammy_Food_Run | I am not a troll |
| 18:10.37 | Laser | nah |
| 18:10.37 | Sammy_Food_Run | coincidentally, they all use pokemon with almost perfect ivs. |
| 18:10.39 | LoRez | Seb: 'make' is gnu |
| 18:10.44 | Laser | there's no gmake |
| 18:10.58 | ma3x | how do i create an entry for my usb vfat in /etc/fstab? if I set /dev/sdc1 sometimes my stick will appear as /dev/sdd1 or /dev/sda1. i can't put in 3 entries because one of my hard disks sometimes gets one of those |
| 18:11.07 | jelly | Laser: debian ships GNU make as "make" |
| 18:11.08 | wols | !tell ma3x about vfatrw |
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| 18:11.15 | wols | !tell ma3x about uuid |
| 18:11.27 | SpineShank | i just put debian on my wifes laptop and im trying to get it to connect to my wireless router that has WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES] enabled, anyone know a writeup on doing this? i fouind a few on google but i had no luck |
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| 18:11.36 | Seb | fas3r: this is a per-binary thing; locate the one you wonder about, run ldd on it, and you'll know |
| 18:11.42 | Laser | jelly: im trying to compile a bsd kernel on debian |
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| 18:11.56 | ma3x | wols so instead of /dev/sdd1 i put 'uuid=name' in /etc/fstab? |
| 18:11.59 | jelly | Laser: good for you. |
| 18:12.12 | fas3r | ok thank Seb it's what i want ;) |
| 18:12.14 | mimcpher | ma3x, yeah. |
| 18:12.21 | Seb | jelly: you could symlink gmake to make |
| 18:12.22 | ma3x | okay thansk |
| 18:12.23 | wols | SpineShank: wpa-supplicant comes with docs |
| 18:12.23 | Seb | hrm |
| 18:12.27 | Seb | Laser: ^^^ |
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| 18:12.47 | SpineShank | wols, yeah ive been trying to use that but i cant get it to connect |
| 18:13.04 | ArthurArchnix | SpineShank: Yeah... one sec |
| 18:13.26 | ArthurArchnix | SpineShank: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318539 |
| 18:13.28 | Laser | yeah but when i try to it gives me |
| 18:13.55 | SpineShank | thanks ArthurArchnix |
| 18:13.56 | Laser | # make buildkernel KERNCONF=PXEBOOT |
| 18:13.56 | Laser | Makefile:111: *** missing separator. Stop. |
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| 18:14.22 | ArthurArchnix | wpa-supplicant docs are like all docs, written for people who already have a pretty good idea what they're doing and just need a few tweaks. If you've got no idea what's going on, you need a good writeup. |
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| 18:14.35 | jelly | Laser: you'd better ask the authors about that |
| 18:14.44 | ma3x | To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 18:14.49 | ma3x | how the hell do you know which one's which? |
| 18:15.04 | mimcpher | ma3x, they're symlinks |
| 18:15.07 | stew | ma3x: by sying where they symlink to |
| 18:15.22 | ma3x | oh okay I did cat and couldn't stop it :) |
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| 18:15.47 | SpineShank | ArthurArchnix, yeah i have no ideas what im doing with wireless and linux, so i had a hard time understanding this stuff |
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| 18:16.01 | mimcpher | My external hard drive has a UUID of 4642-F130 which seems sketchy. |
| 18:16.04 | mimcpher | Oh well :p |
| 18:16.23 | ArthurArchnix | SpineShank: I just followed that howto to get my wpa connected on a fresh lenny install |
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| 18:17.28 | jelly | mimcpher: vfat uuids are like that |
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| 18:17.52 | mimcpher | Yeah, I talked before I thought jelly |
| 18:18.12 | mimcpher | I've got a small vfat partition with ext3 drivers for windows on it, should I ever need them :-p |
| 18:18.30 | ma3x | /dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0 |
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| 18:18.39 | ma3x | isn't it better to add 'async' for vfatrw? |
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| 18:19.05 | jelly | ma3x: "sync" isn't the default. |
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| 18:19.42 | ma3x | jelly: what do you mean? |
| 18:19.56 | ma3x | async is default? |
| 18:20.05 | jelly | ma3x: you don't need to specify "asyns", it's the default |
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| 18:20.20 | ma3x | ok thanks! |
| 18:21.09 | jelly | ma3x: dumb hal defaults make usb devices mount with "synbc" sometimes; mounting via fstab will prevent that |
| 18:21.15 | S4nD3r | How to know, if my box recognize my dual core processor? |
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| 18:21.31 | stew | S4nD3r: count the cpus in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:21.38 | ma3x | ok jell thanks |
| 18:21.41 | stew | S4nD3r: each core would appear as a separate cpu |
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| 18:22.33 | S4nD3r | thank you so much |
| 18:23.49 | ooev | !tell ooev about drxx |
| 18:24.07 | ma3x | why won't the usb stick mount automatically now? should i add 'auto' option? isn't that in the defults? |
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| 18:24.39 | jelly | ma3x: it will mount automatically at boot time |
| 18:25.12 | ma3x | jelly: what if i plug the stick after boot? can't it mount auto? |
| 18:25.25 | jelly | ma3x: not using fstab. |
| 18:26.01 | jelly | ma3x: fstab is only read when doing "mount -a", "mount /some/mountpoint"; also pmount uses it. |
| 18:26.44 | jelly | ma3x: if your device isn't connected always, you'll have to use "noauto" |
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| 18:30.47 | MaenNJ | hey all |
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| 18:31.15 | MaenNJ | guys, is there a ready built package for ndiswrapper module that works on debian etch ? |
| 18:31.43 | wols | etch has ndiswrapper |
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| 18:32.21 | MaenNJ | I have minimal version of etch (network installer) |
| 18:32.53 | wols | then compile it on another machine and transfer it over |
| 18:34.24 | MaenNJ | question that might sound stupid, the other machine does it have to be debian machine or any machine with the same kernel version ? |
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| 18:34.47 | wols | MaenNJ: same kernel as the debian machine. and I mean SAME |
| 18:34.56 | wols | ideally, use a debian VM |
| 18:35.07 | MaenNJ | that's what I'm going to do |
| 18:35.53 | spreeuw | same as in identical? |
| 18:36.08 | spreeuw | are you sharing electrons? |
| 18:36.31 | MaenNJ | btw I need to free space on my machine, how can I list installed packages ? and do you recommend some packages to delete ? |
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| 18:36.44 | ma3x | if I mount an external usb disk with ext3 partition on it, should I give uuid or guid 1000 to be writable by other users? or can i write without giving those? |
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| 18:37.44 | wols | ma3x: normal permission stuff applies like on any other ext3 partition |
| 18:38.02 | wols | ext3 is not vfat or ntfs |
| 18:38.12 | ma3x | ok thanks |
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| 18:40.08 | ma3x | and can i make ntfs partition writable somehow adding it to /etc/fstab with the ntfs-3g driver? |
| 18:40.44 | wols | yes |
| 18:40.52 | jelly | MaenNJ: start with "aptitude clean", if you don't have a separate /var partition |
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| 18:41.14 | ma3x | how do i do that? |
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| 18:41.37 | wols | pretty much the same way as with vfat |
| 18:41.40 | ma3x | nm found it |
| 18:41.44 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 18:42.04 | ma3x | btw, isn't it dangerous to write with ntfs-3g? |
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| 18:43.30 | mimcpher | ntfs-3g is safe. |
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| 18:43.58 | mimcpher | its been safe for over a year now |
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| 18:47.25 | ma3x | why do i get so many errors everytime i plug in my usb disk? usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 18:47.26 | ma3x | usb 7-3: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 |
| 18:47.32 | ma3x | i have to replug it about 10 times to get it working |
| 18:47.33 | ma3x | what's wrong? |
| 18:48.00 | ma3x | i guess i should first power the disk, wait and then plug in the cable to the computer |
| 18:48.28 | ma3x | any idea what's causing this? |
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| 18:50.20 | NinjaMan | hi ma3x |
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| 18:50.38 | NinjaMan | ma3x - you are using usb 2.0 right? what kernel version? |
| 18:50.39 | cizra | Hey, there was this trivially simple way to backport stuff to Etch, but I've forgotten. What was it? |
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| 18:51.11 | stew | cizra: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:51.18 | cizra | thanks |
| 18:52.00 | ma3x | NinjaMan: yes usb2.0 2,5" disk kernel: 2.6.24-1-686 but the kernel doesn't matter, it always occured to me |
| 18:52.02 | NinjaMan | stew: what exactly is backporting and when would you want to do it? |
| 18:52.24 | stew | NinjaMan: /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:52.36 | NinjaMan | ma3x: so this is a stock kernel, right? |
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| 18:52.48 | ma3x | what's 'stock' kernel? packaged you mean? yes |
| 18:53.17 | NinjaMan | ma3x: i.e. you didn't compile it yourself |
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| 18:53.32 | ma3x | NinjaMan: no i didnt compile it |
| 18:54.16 | NinjaMan | ma3x: what modules get loaded when you plug the drive in? |
| 18:54.59 | ma3x | i dunno, the standard ones uhci ohci and what do i know ... |
| 18:55.28 | NinjaMan | ma3x: but you are using ehci, right? |
| 18:55.46 | ma3x | ci_usb,usbhid,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd those are loaded |
| 18:56.15 | ma3x | right now its working because i turned on the hard drive first, waited and then plugged in the usb cable |
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| 18:56.43 | NinjaMan | ma3x: so what do you want from us, if you know how to get it working |
| 18:57.17 | ma3x | well it's pissing me off to plug in/out the cable every time |
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| 18:58.04 | NinjaMan | ma3x: oic - when you leave the usb plugged in and switch the drive on - what is the dmesg output? |
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| 18:58.28 | NinjaMan | ma3x: they key is to find out whether the drive is not being discovered properly or whether it is just not being mounted |
| 18:59.21 | ma3x | it's not discovered properly |
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| 18:59.43 | ma3x | first i get that line usb-storage: device scan complete |
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| 18:59.56 | bincgi | morning.. |
| 18:59.57 | ma3x | i mean that's just about the last line where everything seems fine and then |
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| 19:00.12 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.13 | bincgi | using proftpd how do i disable the [R] 220 ProFTPD 1.3.0 on connect. |
| 19:00.17 | ma3x | a lot flood errors like that |
| 19:00.24 | bincgi | http://www.proftpd.org/docs/directives/linked/config_ref_ServerName.html <-- didnt work.. |
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| 19:02.10 | NinjaMan | ma3x: I can't think of anything off the top of my head that doesn't involve re-compiling the kernel |
| 19:02.20 | NinjaMan | ma3x: are you using udev or hotplug? |
| 19:02.23 | stew | NinjaMan: if you could recompile the kernel, what would you do? |
| 19:02.37 | ma3x | it's been always like that and i've always used packaged kernels |
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| 19:02.43 | ma3x | udev |
| 19:02.54 | NinjaMan | stew: I would disable ehci and use normal uhci/ohci |
| 19:03.16 | stew | NinjaMan: its a module now, so it can be disabled by removing / blacklisting the module |
| 19:03.21 | NinjaMan | stew: since ehci is still "experimental" as far as I remember |
| 19:03.50 | ma3x | you think ehci could be causing this? |
| 19:03.55 | NinjaMan | stew: there are also options associated with ehci which I would try disabling (they are designed to speed it up) |
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| 19:04.37 | NinjaMan | ma3x: to stew's point I would blacklist ehci_hcd in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (I think) |
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| 19:05.09 | NinjaMan | ma3x: and force it to use normal usb 1.0 (uhci/ohci) to at least try an eliminate ehci as a problem |
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| 19:06.14 | ma3x | by normal usb 1.0 do you mean the low speed one? |
| 19:06.15 | NinjaMan | ma3x: actually I think it is your external hard drives implementation that is a bit screwy, but since you can't change that ...... try using a more tried and tested usb module, that probably caters for more oddities - i.e. uhci/ohci |
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| 19:06.20 | philsf | will there be a way to upgrade from sarge to lenny, when it gets released in september? |
| 19:06.26 | NinjaMan | ma3x: yes |
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| 19:06.57 | Eulex | philsf, yes, upgrade from sarge to etch, then from etch to lenny. |
| 19:06.58 | stew | philsf: yes, but first upgrading from sarge->etch (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) and then upgrading from etch to lenny (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
| 19:07.12 | stew | ^but^by |
| 19:07.44 | philsf | Eulex, stew, thanks, I guess doing it directly is asking for a shot in the foot, right? |
| 19:07.47 | chops | philsf: Also, "when it's released in September" is probably a bit more hard-and-fast than the way the release managers would characterize the plan :-) |
| 19:07.56 | ma3x | NinjaMan: but that sucks at low speed |
| 19:08.09 | ma3x | does ehci_hcd autoload on startup? |
| 19:08.15 | ma3x | or upon disk discovery? |
| 19:08.16 | Eulex | philsf, yes. |
| 19:08.17 | philsf | chops: what are the bets on, for release? :) |
| 19:08.23 | NinjaMan | ma3x: otherwise maybe it is possible to add a delay into one of the udev scripts to aid recognition of the drive ( a bit like drive spin up time in a bios) |
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| 19:09.07 | Eulex | philsf, you should probably consider upgrading to etch already, as sarge has lost security support |
| 19:09.08 | NinjaMan | ma3x: I don't know, mine is compiled in - test it out. I suspect ehci itself is autoloaded as the kernel boots |
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| 19:16.42 | philsf | Rhyrk: yeah, I know. Luckilly, that machine is used internally only, with not visibility, but I get your point. |
| 19:18.03 | Rhyrk | philsf, I'd upgrade it if it was connected to a network in any way. anyway, your own risk. |
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| 19:18.52 | MaenNJ | I built module in debian etch machine, how do I transfer to other debian machine ? |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | kernel module? |
| 19:19.31 | MaenNJ | yea |
| 19:19.36 | abrotman | put it on a CD ? |
| 19:19.41 | abrotman | floppy? usb drive? |
| 19:19.44 | stew | MaenNJ: you are asking how to copy files? |
| 19:19.45 | MaenNJ | just the .ko file ? |
| 19:19.55 | stew | MaenNJ: what module is it? how did you build it? |
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| 19:20.00 | MaenNJ | I need to know what files do I need to install |
| 19:20.06 | MaenNJ | I used module-assistant |
| 19:20.13 | MaenNJ | ndiswrapper |
| 19:20.25 | stew | MaenNJ: then copy the .deb that modules-assitant created to the other machiens and install it with dpkg -i |
| 19:20.34 | Rhyrk | MaenNJ, note that the machines need to have the exact same kernel. |
| 19:20.51 | MaenNJ | ok thanks |
| 19:20.52 | abrotman | same ABI version |
| 19:21.24 | simonrvn | !abi |
| 19:21.25 | dpkg | abi is probably application binary interface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface |
| 19:21.27 | MaenNJ | but the target machine on which I built the module is 686 |
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| 19:21.37 | MaenNJ | and the other is 486 |
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| 19:21.59 | simonrvn | ...for people who don't know what language abrotman doth speaketh |
| 19:22.12 | Rhyrk | MaenNJ, I believe you need to rebuild it. |
| 19:22.38 | MaenNJ | can I build it to different target ? |
| 19:22.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: i have a heart :( |
| 19:22.59 | MaenNJ | I mean to build it for 486 in 686 ? |
| 19:23.01 | simonrvn | you sure do buddy |
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| 19:23.35 | simonrvn | turn that frown upside-down :) |
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| 19:23.40 | Rhyrk | MaenNJ, yes. see man module-assistant; use the -l option |
| 19:23.49 | MaenNJ | ok thanks =) |
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| 19:24.24 | Rhyrk | you will need the kernel headers of the -486 kernel too, but m-a will fetch those for you. |
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| 19:24.47 | MaenNJ | ok that's fine |
| 19:25.13 | stew | MaenNJ: is there a reason the other machine runs a 486 kernel instead of a 686 kernel? |
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| 19:25.28 | abrotman | it's a 486? :) |
| 19:25.38 | abrotman | hides in the corner |
| 19:25.51 | stew | that would be one of about 2 possible valid reasons |
| 19:26.00 | abrotman | it's a 56? :) |
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| 19:26.05 | Rhyrk | stew, I'd assume that there was a reason that he doesn't want to even compile on that box... |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | it's a 586? :) |
| 19:26.20 | stew | i would assume that there isn't a good reason |
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| 19:26.39 | MaenNJ | lol =) |
| 19:26.47 | MaenNJ | it's meant for embedded systems |
| 19:27.43 | MaenNJ | eBox-2300, awesome small box with very limited capabilities |
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| 19:44.48 | itchi | samantha--: i use gthumb |
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| 19:47.39 | atomiku | Hey |
| 19:47.42 | reload | ei nao existe mais o #debian-br ? |
| 19:47.46 | atomiku | Quick question: Any news on the release date for the next debian? |
| 19:47.53 | abrotman | !br |
| 19:47.53 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:47.58 | atomiku | (The one with support for KDE4) |
| 19:48.03 | abrotman | reload: might be on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:48.04 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 19:48.04 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html |
| 19:48.11 | abrotman | and there's no guarantee about KDE4 .. see the URL |
| 19:48.13 | atomiku | Well, etch suppotrs KD4 too, but its a pain |
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| 19:48.22 | atomiku | I kinda had KDE4 working |
| 19:48.24 | atomiku | took 2 hours though |
| 19:48.40 | VaRo_DJ | Hello, I have a problem with vmware in Debian testing, I can't install :'( |
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| 19:48.49 | atomiku | Well, I dont mind if KDE4 doesnt come WITH debian |
| 19:48.57 | atomiku | As long as its in the stable repos and it's easy to install |
| 19:49.04 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: What's the problem? |
| 19:49.27 | VaRo_DJ | I can't install vmware-server 1.5.0 in Debian testing |
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| 19:49.37 | abrotman | WHY?> |
| 19:49.44 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: What's the error? |
| 19:49.51 | stew | atomiku: whats the differenct between it coming with debian and being in the stable repos? |
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| 19:50.08 | atomiku | stew: Good question |
| 19:50.14 | atomiku | There isn't really |
| 19:50.19 | atomiku | apart from one comes "preinstalled" |
| 19:50.26 | atomiku | But yeah, I get what you're saying |
| 19:50.28 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: I run 1.0.5 build-80187 on testing here |
| 19:50.42 | VaRo_DJ | The GCC version is 4.1.3, I have install gcc-4.1,gcc-4.1-base and gcc-4.2 and base |
| 19:51.04 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: You probably need to do somethings like CC=gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install.pl |
| 19:51.22 | stew | atomiku: and KDE is never something that would be "preinstalled". but i guess that depends on what one means by "preinstalled", or why exactly we are putting "preinstalled" needlessly into "quotes" |
| 19:51.35 | atomiku | yeah, you're "right" |
| 19:51.39 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: Or you can recompile the kernel with the right gcc version but ... some are going to kill you |
| 19:51.43 | atomiku | literally, you're right |
| 19:51.50 | atomiku | right in my nicklist to the right |
| 19:52.31 | VaRo_DJ | Also, Try install CC=gcc-4.1 ./vmware-install.pl doesn't work |
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| 19:52.56 | VaRo_DJ | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 19:53.09 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: Well pastebin the whole error and be more clear please. I don't own a crystal ball (yet) |
| 19:53.20 | VaRo_DJ | Ok, wait |
| 19:53.27 | wols | VaRo_DJ: you need something called any any patch |
| 19:53.29 | wols | google it |
| 19:53.37 | wols | and sak vmware about their software, not debian |
| 19:53.44 | wols | *ask |
| 19:54.09 | VaRo_DJ | This channel vmware, says "vmware-server doesn't work in Debian testing" |
| 19:54.21 | wols | there you have it. they must know. it's their software |
| 19:54.26 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: Did you aply that vmware-any-any-updateXXX patch? |
| 19:54.29 | wols | debian certainly doesn't |
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| 19:54.54 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: Well it does work |
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| 19:56.17 | VaRo_DJ | http://pastebin.es/2780 |
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| 19:58.51 | itchi | VaRo_DJ: After applying that any any patch it should work, you should feed that ./runme.pl script with that CC trick |
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| 19:59.08 | VaRo_DJ | :s |
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| 20:02.07 | fairway | im on leeny, sweetie. |
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| 20:03.36 | fairway | Linux debian 2.6.24-1-68 is this the right kernel to run with c2d ? |
| 20:03.50 | wols | yes |
| 20:03.57 | fairway | k thanks |
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| 20:04.47 | abrotman | or -amd64 .. |
| 20:05.12 | fairway | how do I get ride of all "rc"'s in dpkg -l list? |
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| 20:05.19 | fairway | means orphaned packages |
| 20:06.04 | gulli91 | debfoster could do that? |
| 20:06.10 | fairway | ill try |
| 20:06.26 | abrotman | fairway: they are packages that have conf files behind .. purge them .. man dpkg |
| 20:07.39 | fairway | can I purge them all in one? |
| 20:07.50 | stew | fairway: why do you want to purge them? |
| 20:07.59 | fairway | i dont need the config files |
| 20:08.03 | fairway | its a new sys |
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| 20:08.06 | fairway | upgraded from sarge |
| 20:08.12 | Rhyrk | fairway, it doesn't mean that the packages are orphaned |
| 20:08.16 | fairway | k |
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| 20:08.37 | Rhyrk | it means that they are uninstalled but you have config files left |
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| 20:10.40 | abrotman | Rhyrk: but they're uninstalled |
| 20:11.01 | Rhyrk | right |
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| 20:13.28 | Saar | how can i find out what process is holding a certain lock file, lock file itself is empty |
| 20:13.33 | infinity1 | can ps list the ionice value? |
| 20:14.20 | stew | Saar: try 'fuser /path/to/file' |
| 20:14.22 | spreeuw | Saar: fuser |
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| 20:16.56 | fairway | is there a debian embedded chan? |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 20:17.13 | dpkg | emdebian is probably a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:17.30 | Saar | ok thanks both |
| 20:17.59 | fairway | tgx |
| 20:18.01 | fairway | thx |
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| 20:28.15 | HopsNBarley_ | hi gang - is there a package size limit? I'm seeing this: $ dpkg-deb --info my.deb |
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| 20:28.19 | HopsNBarley_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.23 | HopsNBarley_ | the package is 6.6G. |
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| 20:29.24 | abrotman | HopsNBarley_: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:29.37 | HopsNBarley_ | abrotman, thanks! |
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| 20:30.37 | stew | Invisionfree what happens if you run 'irssi' as a normal user? |
| 20:30.39 | Invisionfree | claps for abrotman :) |
| 20:30.41 | abrotman | Invisionfree: I'll undo that later |
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| 20:30.48 | abrotman | Invisionfree: that will NOT be permanent |
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| 20:31.51 | abrotman | stew: he claims he cannot |
| 20:32.03 | keith4 | odd |
| 20:32.05 | Invisionfree | abrotman: I know, it won't need to be ... Why won't Debian detect my laptop wireless card default? |
| 20:32.12 | keith4 | holy crap. a 6.6G package? |
| 20:32.13 | abrotman | Invisionfree: fix your IRC issue first |
| 20:32.19 | stew | Invisionfree: what error do you get when you run "irssi" as a normal user? |
| 20:32.28 | stew | Invisionfree: or what is preventing you from running it as a normal user? |
| 20:32.32 | Invisionfree | abrotman: No need, this install is gone once I get the wireless card issue fix. |
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| 20:33.00 | abrotman | Invisionfree: what wireless chipset do you have? and does the laptop have a wired NIC? |
| 20:33.24 | jkl | hi people.. I've been on #tomcat and reading about the 8005 shutdown port on Tomcat.. the problem is to fix the shutdown service. changing the usual "SHUTDOWN" paramter (a way to fix it) doesn't work on debian.. at the shutdown time, the service (tomcat) keeps running |
| 20:33.27 | Invisionfree | Uh, I think it's Atheros broadcom, and Idk NIC :x |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 20:33.33 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 20:33.41 | Rhyrk | !nic |
| 20:33.42 | dpkg | nic is, like, (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
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| 20:34.08 | Invisionfree | Is it a package or something? |
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| 20:34.26 | Rhyrk | did you read? |
| 20:34.36 | Invisionfree | I tried, it's confusing .. |
| 20:34.52 | Rhyrk | ah, the madwifi thing. sorry. |
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| 20:35.31 | abrotman | plug your laptop into a network .. and get the stuff you need |
| 20:35.41 | fairway | any problems writing NTFS from debian? |
| 20:35.51 | Invisionfree | abrotman: I wish, I broke the screen so I have to use an external monitor :x |
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| 20:35.53 | markybob | !tell fairway about ntfs-eg |
| 20:35.56 | markybob | !tell fairway about ntfs-3g |
| 20:36.02 | fairway | mh |
| 20:36.09 | abrotman | what does that have to do with plugging it into a network ? |
| 20:36.25 | markybob | trolling probably |
| 20:36.26 | Invisionfree | abrotman: I can't carry it acrossed the hall..? |
| 20:36.43 | abrotman | yes, you can |
| 20:37.03 | Invisionfree | How would you know? |
| 20:37.11 | abrotman | okay .. have fun |
| 20:37.21 | abrotman | your exemption is temporary, make the most of it |
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| 20:37.46 | fairway | alright |
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| 20:38.03 | Invisionfree | Do I just need to apt-get install madwifi-tools? |
| 20:38.15 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:38.22 | abrotman | homes |
| 20:38.26 | mns | !tell msan about ntfs-3g |
| 20:38.33 | stew | Invisionfree: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 20:38.50 | ArthurArchnix | Hey... just curious if anyone has sound working good on Lenny using snd_hda_intel ... I get music from both speakers and earphones, but the speakers don't mute when earphones are plugged in. I've tried a bunch of the switches "options snd_intel_hda model=hp model=laptop model=auto model=3stack... just curious if someone had it working nice and what if anything they did... ? |
| 20:39.09 | markybob | ArthurArchnix, get 2.6.25 |
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| 20:39.43 | jkl | Is there someone who works with tomcat? |
| 20:40.05 | stew | ArthurArchnix: this all sounds correct. (and shouldnt' change with 2.6.25) you should be able to mute earphones and speakers separately |
| 20:40.28 | chops | !tell jkl about anyone |
| 20:40.39 | ArthurArchnix | I just did uname -r... I'm apparently on .24-1 |
| 20:40.54 | markybob | 2.6.25 has plenty of fixes for intel hda. i have an intel hda card that had that same problem |
| 20:41.03 | ArthurArchnix | Is 25 in backports? |
| 20:41.18 | markybob | dunno. |
| 20:41.32 | ArthurArchnix | sorry... that's ubuntu talk. Umm.. do I have to compile it or ... |
| 20:41.45 | stew | ArthurArchnix: there aren't backports for lenny. in general packages don't show up in backports until they are already available for lenny |
| 20:41.58 | ArthurArchnix | stew yeah.. that occurred to me a few seconds too late |
| 20:42.16 | jkl | Im looking for a way to fix the shutdown "vulnerability" on gnu/linux debian |
| 20:42.25 | stew | ArthurArchnix: you wouldn't need to switch kernels anyway, /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 20:42.30 | chops | jkl: What shutdown vulnerability is that? |
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| 20:44.28 | jkl | chops, if some local user try "telnet localhost 8005" and writes "SHUTDOWN".. the tomcat services stop.. |
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| 20:45.08 | chops | jkl: That does sound like a shame (and probably not limited to that one action, no?) |
| 20:45.20 | chops | jkl: Have you talked to Debian security about it? |
| 20:45.35 | epsilon | jkl: lol? |
| 20:45.44 | jkl | chops no I haven't.. |
| 20:45.51 | chops | jkl: That's the first thing I would do |
| 20:46.01 | jkl | I mean.. that's fixed http://marc.info/?l=tomcat-user&m=104400608619118&w=2 |
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| 20:46.29 | chops | jkl: If it's a real problem (which the behavior you describe is IMHO), then there will be a security update issued for it |
| 20:46.33 | markybob | 2003. nice |
| 20:46.52 | jkl | but, for the debian way install.. the solution doesnt work.. u can't to stop the services once u follow the "solution" |
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| 20:47.00 | chops | jkl: Right |
| 20:47.25 | chops | jkl: So maybe the solution is to turn the word that you enter to shut down into a secret that's generated at package-install-time |
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| 20:48.14 | chops | jkl: The Tomcat guy who combines the statements "The fundamental problem is that someone you don't trust can log in to a server you depend upon to provide a service. The only real way to cure this is to tighten up security on the server itself." and "Tomcat's existing security mechanism is probably sufficient" does not sound correct to me :-) |
| 20:48.44 | simonrvn | isn't that contradictory? ;) |
| 20:49.00 | jkl | chops.. but if u change that.. the service won't stop $catalina_home/bin/catalina.sh stop wont work. |
| 20:49.04 | chops | jkl: Those statements are certainly contradictory in Debian's view of security |
| 20:49.13 | chops | ^^ simonrvm rather |
| 20:49.19 | jkl | chops what is your advice? |
| 20:49.23 | ArthurArchnix | stew: Trying that new alsa thing now... it just had a lot of unmet dependencies and such so its taking a while to get going. |
| 20:49.23 | chops | jkl: Yes, the fix described is not correct |
| 20:49.27 | ArthurArchnix | crosses fingers |
| 20:49.30 | chops | jkl: Talk to Debian's security team |
| 20:49.40 | simonrvn | ASAP |
| 20:49.41 | jkl | chops, ok thanks. |
| 20:50.35 | simonrvn | that could potentially be escalated, with the right bug(s) |
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| 20:51.11 | ramuk | Hi all |
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| 20:51.32 | ramuk | I was wondering is there a known Samba/cups dependancy problem |
| 20:51.35 | ramuk | in Lenny? |
| 20:51.54 | ramuk | it takes forever to start up smbd if cups is not installed |
| 20:52.06 | stew | ArthurArchnix: "aptitude -f install" should fix the dependencies |
| 20:52.10 | markybob | remove the printers section from your smb.conf :P |
| 20:52.15 | ramuk | yet apt-get install samba does not install cupsys |
| 20:52.38 | ramuk | after apt-get install cupsys (and dependancies) the problem is fixed |
| 20:52.48 | ramuk | I have a really simple smb.conf |
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| 20:52.55 | ramuk | no printers |
| 20:52.59 | ramuk | just 1 guest share |
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| 20:53.43 | ramuk | the issue seems to be similar to this |
| 20:53.44 | ramuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg514225.html |
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| 20:54.34 | ramuk | hmmm actually the issue is exactly that |
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| 20:56.37 | blizzow | when I issue a hostname command, I get my proper hostname foo. When I issue hostname -f, it returns localhost.localdomain. What would cause this? |
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| 20:57.12 | fr00g | http://rafb.net/p/KCvmlp14.html <-- how can i debug this? |
| 20:57.34 | markybob | fr00g, go to #c |
| 20:57.38 | simonrvn | blizzow: see /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 20:58.32 | fr00g | markybob: thx ;) |
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| 21:02.29 | orgeat | Hi, I have alsa-utils loaded in rcS.d but errors like "alsactl restore", "Invalid card number" , "Usage: amixer ..." |
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| 21:02.58 | blizzow | simonrvn: /etc/hostname has only my hostname and /etc/hosts has: 127.0.0.1 foo.bar.com foo and another line with 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost. |
| 21:02.58 | orgeat | I guess there is something wrong in my /proc/asound directory ? |
| 21:03.15 | draeath | How do I disable suspend resumption support on boot? I'm using a random-key encrypted partion for swap, so it's pointless, and it annoys me with having to hit enter again during boot. |
| 21:03.33 | draeath | (it errors about not finding the file, retype or hit enter to boot) |
| 21:03.45 | simonrvn | orgeat: why do you think it's a problem with that directory? |
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| 21:04.12 | simonrvn | orgeat: it's a pseudo-fs, what you think won't matter to it one bit. |
| 21:04.37 | orgeat | simonrvn: because in script alsa-utils I can read "sed -n -e's/^[[:space:]]*\([0-7]\)[[:space:]].*/\1/p' /proc/asound/cards" but my file "cards" is empty (?) |
| 21:04.55 | ArthurArchnix | stew: Thanks man. Sound works awesome now. levels are better balanced. Automute works automagically. And I feel much better about upgrading just alsa to outside lenny's repos than a new kernel. So thanks for the great link. |
| 21:05.08 | draeath | looks like i can just remove uswsusp |
| 21:05.10 | orgeat | simonrvn: (in function echo_card_indices) |
| 21:05.36 | simonrvn | orgeat: sounds like your audio card driver isn't loaded |
| 21:05.49 | mirak | how do I set graphics properties to use linux in hdmi with my TV ? |
| 21:05.55 | roe | I'm looking to use hostapd, and the project website lists drivers that are compatible with the project, however I confidently confirm which cards use the stated chipsets, anyone here have any idea which wireless cards work well? |
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| 21:06.21 | roe | s/can't confidently |
| 21:07.34 | orgeat | simonrvn: hum ... but I have snd_intel8x0 in lsmod |
| 21:08.12 | simonrvn | so what's your device ? |
| 21:08.21 | orgeat | simonrvn: and snd_ac97_codec used by it |
| 21:08.58 | orgeat | simonrvn: device is a AC97 chipset I think (realtek ?) |
| 21:09.11 | simonrvn | lspci | grep -i audio |
| 21:09.55 | unixSnob | when I try to install emacs (aptitude install emacs), it lists a few dependancies tagged as [not installed].. then it tells me the score is -9983. I say yes proceed, but nothing is accomplished |
| 21:09.59 | orgeat | simonrvn: OK NVidia Corp nForce2 AC97 audio controller |
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| 21:11.03 | simonrvn | ok, try unloading the inhel one, /etc/init.d/alsa unload, and modprobe the snd_ac97 one.. not to familiar with that thing... sec |
| 21:11.06 | simonrvn | !ac97 |
| 21:11.07 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 21:11.23 | simonrvn | ah ok, ignore what i said |
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| 21:11.36 | simonrvn | orgeat: try that ^^^ |
| 21:11.54 | unixSnob | I didn't have a network when I installed initially, so it installed a bare netinst CD system.. I uncommented lines in sources.list and ran apt-get update |
| 21:12.35 | orgeat | simonrvn: OK but snd_intel8x0 is already loaded (?) |
| 21:12.37 | simonrvn | you probably need some networked sources, and to comment out the cd source |
| 21:12.55 | keith4 | score is -9983? |
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| 21:13.03 | simonrvn | orgeat: ok, i wasn't clear; try unloading that, and try another driver instead |
| 21:13.45 | unixSnob | thanks simonrvn.. i'll remove the CD reference.. but I'm not sure how to compose the other lines. What do the trailing tokens (like non-free) mean? |
| 21:13.48 | draeath | AC97 is horrid, i suggest finding a card that doesn't suck |
| 21:14.01 | draeath | (usually, noisy chipsets, distortion, etc) |
| 21:14.11 | draeath | Nobody spends the $$ on a good implementation |
| 21:14.23 | orgeat | simonrvn: OK but is it normal that i have directory Card0 and Card1 in /proc/asound but a file Cards empty ? Shouldn't enumerate list of cards number ? |
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| 21:15.35 | simonrvn | unixSnob: main contrib non-free are components of the repo, they have varying meanings. in the official repos, they indicate licensing. DFSG-free, depends on things that aren't DFSG-free, and are not at all DFSG-free (in that order) |
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| 21:16.21 | draeath | unixSnob: I can upload an example of a working file for you? |
| 21:16.24 | simonrvn | orgeat: uh, actually, if the first two aren't "empty", then it is (technically) working (i'd consider draeath's advice too) |
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| 21:16.39 | unixSnob | draeath: yeah, that would be helpful... thanks! |
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| 21:16.41 | CrashSys | Anyone ever had issues with Etch, MD Raid 5, and NVidia chipset? |
| 21:16.49 | orgeat | simonrvn: using Arts in KDE makes the card usable (but not under amarok) so driver is OK isn't it ? |
| 21:17.00 | CrashSys | having a problem where the first SATA port just dies |
| 21:17.19 | simonrvn | orgeat: indeed |
| 21:17.31 | draeath | unixSnob: http://draeath.freeshell.org/sources.lst |
| 21:17.48 | unixSnob | thanks |
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| 21:17.52 | draeath | unixSnob: that's using a mirror rather than the actual debian repo, that mirror has a close 'logical' distance to me |
| 21:17.56 | orgeat | simonrvn: :-) must be something stupid but can't see it ... |
| 21:17.57 | simonrvn | orgeat: though i'd stay away from arts, maybe install pulseaudio, or go without a "sound daemon". |
| 21:18.12 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 21:18.12 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 21:18.15 | draeath | unixSnob: http://draeath.freeshell.org/sources.list |
| 21:18.18 | draeath | unixSnob: sorry |
| 21:18.36 | simonrvn | heh, someone else with a freshell =) |
| 21:18.40 | simonrvn | free* |
| 21:18.43 | unixSnob | cool.. i'll just substitute the closer mirror |
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| 21:18.52 | orgeat | simonrvn: thanks, I'll try again some things |
| 21:19.03 | draeath | simonrvn: ;) meta-arpa here |
| 21:19.26 | draeath | unixSnob: check out the link dpkg gave you, find a closer mirror. Your file should look like mine. |
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| 21:19.41 | simonrvn | i just have the basic one. tight budget, heh |
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| 21:20.06 | draeath | i figure 36/year isn't much to spend. It helps the cluster anyways, we (meta-arpa) have a whole second machine for just us now! |
| 21:20.15 | draeath | was just sverige |
| 21:21.08 | rgammans | Anyone know of any acpi issues recently (linus's 2.6.22 ok) but battery status fails on debian's linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
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| 21:21.53 | simonrvn | nice :) |
| 21:21.59 | magyar_ | is there a beter report gen tool for squid then srg or sarg? |
| 21:22.21 | draeath | gotta run, done for the day ;) |
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| 21:24.21 | omry_ | hi, I am trying to install nvidia drivers no lenny (yes, the actual nvidia drivers). after I boot smoething messes them up and I need to reinstall the driver before I can start X. any idea what can cause this? |
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| 21:26.15 | fr00g_ | can someone help me with gnuplot? this is the problem: http://rafb.net/p/Qn7SsS91.html |
| 21:27.21 | octox2 | is there any way to choose which users cant become su when logged in through ssh? rather than not allowing anyone to become su in the ssh config file ? |
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| 21:28.29 | rgammans | octox2: block everyone and use sudo controls? |
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| 21:31.21 | octox2 | rgammans: the reason i still want to be able to su for one user is so i can run some programs on my remote box that are only in roots path. If i just use sudo, I may not be able to see them still right? not sure? |
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| 21:31.47 | Rhyrk | octox2, you will. |
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| 21:33.15 | octox2 | Rhyrk: so, it is good to not allow root login through ssh, but then i can add just my one user to the sudo users group ? |
| 21:33.54 | Tr0gdor | anyway to get a fresh install of debian running without putting a cd in the drive |
| 21:34.00 | Neas | Hi, after vps (debian) update, I have weird problem. |
| 21:34.00 | Neas | I can see in /home all user accounts but I cant switch to them (as root) neither log into them |
| 21:34.02 | Tr0gdor | I have an old debian currently running |
| 21:34.15 | Tr0gdor | I want to update to etch and clear my server out |
| 21:34.19 | Neas | server:/# su myth |
| 21:34.19 | Neas | Unknown id: myth |
| 21:34.32 | Neas | i tryed cat /etc/passwd |
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| 21:34.39 | Neas | and those accoutns arent listed here |
| 21:34.41 | Jabka | Neas - check if they are /etc/passwd |
| 21:34.46 | Neas | no |
| 21:34.54 | Neas | but in home dir still exist |
| 21:34.55 | Jabka | perheps you removed them ? |
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| 21:35.01 | Neas | with all files |
| 21:35.06 | \amethyst | Neas: then the users no longer exist, but their files do |
| 21:35.15 | \amethyst | Neas: do you have a backup of /etc/passwd ? |
| 21:35.24 | Neas | i think not |
| 21:35.32 | \amethyst | have fun, then :) |
| 21:35.35 | Neas | unless this is autogenerated (which i doubt) |
| 21:35.44 | rgammans | octox2: personal choice, but there are a lot of things to be said for it - better logging for one. |
| 21:36.41 | \amethyst | you can look at /home to get the uid, gid, home directory (for users that have a home dir in /home), and user name (assuming it's the same as the directory name) |
| 21:36.51 | Neas | yes they are |
| 21:36.55 | \amethyst | other stuff, like the default shell, you'll have to set yourself |
| 21:37.27 | octox2 | rgammans: i like the idea if i can further away from anyone being able to su while logged in to my box |
| 21:37.50 | Neas | \amethyst so you suggestiong me to recreate new accounts, using old dirs? |
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| 21:38.04 | \amethyst | Neas: yes, using the old dirs and the same UIDs as before |
| 21:38.06 | Neas | infact all accoutns was mine, so i know usernames and passwords, etc |
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| 21:38.21 | octox2 | if i change the sshdconfig file, i have to restart ssh somehow right ? |
| 21:38.23 | Neas | but I admit that I am kinda lost here |
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| 21:38.43 | Neas | \amethyst is there a way to go step by step for one account? |
| 21:38.54 | Neas | or too much bothering? |
| 21:39.09 | rgammans | octorox2: yes, /etc/init.d/ssh reload. Make sure you are really familiar with sudoers(5) though. |
| 21:39.21 | \amethyst | Neas: are the groups missing from /etc/group too? |
| 21:39.35 | Nurulwai | How can I disable xrandr in xorg? |
| 21:39.42 | Neas | server:~# /etc/group |
| 21:39.42 | Neas | -bash: /etc/group: Permission denied |
| 21:40.03 | \amethyst | Neas: it's a text file like /etc/passwd, not an executable |
| 21:40.07 | octox2 | rgammans: well, worst case, ill have to hook a keyboard and monitor up to the box for a bit. But I did take the video card out lately too lol |
| 21:40.55 | \amethyst | Neas: does it have an entry for the user? |
| 21:41.10 | Neas | group file show me thigns like: |
| 21:41.16 | Neas | root:x:0: |
| 21:41.16 | Neas | daemon:x:1: |
| 21:41.16 | Neas | bin:x:2: |
| 21:41.16 | Neas | sys:x:3: |
| 21:41.16 | Neas | adm:x:4: |
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| 21:41.22 | Neas | sorry |
| 21:41.38 | Neas | nogroup:x:65534: |
| 21:41.38 | Neas | crontab:x:101: |
| 21:41.38 | Neas | ssh:x:102: |
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| 21:41.43 | Neas | are last lines |
| 21:41.56 | \amethyst | Neas: does it have one for the user that is missing? |
| 21:42.04 | \amethyst | Neas: I'm guessing not |
| 21:42.12 | Neas | you're right |
| 21:42.14 | Neas | not |
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| 21:42.22 | Nurulwai | 'Option "RandR" "False"' doesn't seem to work |
| 21:43.15 | \amethyst | Neas: so you need to find out what their old gid and uid were |
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| 21:43.42 | Neas | honestly, have no idea how to do this |
| 21:43.48 | Neas | (i know, i am hopeless..) |
| 21:43.54 | \amethyst | Neas: look at the user and group columns (# 3 and 4, just before size) in ls -l /home |
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| 21:44.08 | \amethyst | Neas: the missing users should have numbers there instead of names |
| 21:44.45 | Neas | drwxr-x--- 3 1002 1002 4096 Sep 13 2007 sum41 |
| 21:44.46 | Neas | drwxr-x--- 3 1001 1001 4096 Jan 26 08:46 test |
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| 21:45.06 | \amethyst | Neas: okay, so to recover the sum41 account: |
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| 21:45.13 | \amethyst | Neas: s/recover/recreate/ |
| 21:45.24 | \amethyst | Neas: addgroup --gid sum41 sum41 # recreate the group |
| 21:45.30 | \amethyst | Neas: oops |
| 21:45.37 | \amethyst | Neas: addgroup --gid 1002 sum41 # recreate the group |
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| 21:45.59 | \amethyst | Neas: adduser --uid 1002 --gid 1002 sum41 # recreate the user -- it will prompt you for password, name, etc |
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| 21:46.33 | \amethyst | Neas: it should say something like "The home directory `/home/sum41' already exists. Not copying from `/etc/skel'." |
| 21:46.54 | \amethyst | Neas: that means it's using the existing home directory and not overwriting it |
| 21:47.12 | Neas | first part |
| 21:47.14 | Neas | eas: s/recover/recreate/ |
| 21:47.19 | Neas | this isn't clear |
| 21:47.26 | \amethyst | Neas: that wasn't a command, that was me correcting myself |
| 21:47.30 | Neas | aaah |
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| 21:47.44 | Neas | Adding new user `sum41' (1002) with group `sum41' ... |
| 21:47.44 | Neas | The home directory `/home/sum41' already exists. Not copying from `/etc/skel'. |
| 21:47.44 | Neas | Enter new UNIX password: |
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| 21:48.12 | \amethyst | Neas: and type a new password for the user (you'll have to enter it twice) |
| 21:48.28 | Neas | i did |
| 21:48.32 | Neas | but i am not sure |
| 21:48.37 | Neas | it seems empty |
| 21:48.45 | Neas | sum41@server:~$ ls |
| 21:48.45 | Neas | sum41@server:~$ |
| 21:48.54 | Neas | here isn't anything impoetant, but still.. |
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| 21:49.23 | ArthurArchnix | I'm trying to follow the wiki instructions for installing flashplugin nonfree, but they're a bit vague. 'Do it in a way similar to the thing you're not trying to do'. :P Anyway, what would the repo be for unstable? Specifically, i'm looking for the command similar in a way to this one: wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
| 21:50.23 | Neas | \amethyst will try slowly for some other account |
| 21:50.30 | Neas | thanks for your patience and help |
| 21:50.40 | Bushmills | "enter new password" :) http://forthfreak.net/misc/password.jpg |
| 21:50.57 | \amethyst | Neas: back up the directories if you're worried: cp -a /home/test /home/test-BACKUP |
| 21:51.05 | \amethyst | Neas: before doing the adduser part |
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| 21:54.02 | Jabka | what service can handle ldif files ? |
| 21:54.09 | Neas | \amethyst I will |
| 21:54.25 | Jabka | to hold all emails |
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| 21:58.39 | ArthurArchnix | If I just want to watch videos on youtube in iceweasel... what's the free opensource version to install? I see gnash and I see gnash-mozilla, but if I install gnash then try to install the plugin, it says it has to remove gnash. What do you guys use? Should I just bite the bullet and add try to figure out how to use repos for different releases with pinning and whatnot? |
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| 22:04.38 | octox2 | is there a way to not allow a certain user to su at all, even if they are at the box ? |
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| 22:12.43 | wols | compare local and remote file |
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| 22:16.00 | ArthurArchnix | that was easy. Just download the tar.gz from adobe, extract it to the plugin folder of your favouritest browser. |
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| 22:19.46 | JaC | hi |
| 22:19.48 | JaC | Failed to fetch http://ftp.freenet.de/debian/pool/main/e/expat/libexpat1_1.95.8-3.4_i386.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 194.97.2.69 80] |
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| 22:19.51 | JaC | any ideas? |
| 22:19.57 | JaC | i get this every time i apt-get install something |
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| 22:22.01 | fas3r | someone use accounting on cisco device ? |
| 22:22.36 | ArthurArchnix | JaC cuz there's nothing there. http://ftp.freenet.de/debian/pool/main/e/expat/ |
| 22:22.44 | ArthurArchnix | You can't fetch what's not there. |
| 22:22.56 | JaC | so |
| 22:23.00 | JaC | what do i do |
| 22:23.04 | JaC | why is there nothing there |
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| 22:23.15 | ArthurArchnix | So, either you're trying to install something that doesn't exist, or you need to try a different mirror. |
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| 22:23.32 | JaC | iVERY much doubt apache2 isnt there |
| 22:23.47 | octox2 | doesnt debian have the group wheel ? |
| 22:23.57 | ArthurArchnix | In that case, just keep doing what your doing. Eventually, your doubts should be put to rest. |
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| 22:24.34 | JaC | nvm got new mirrors |
| 22:24.51 | aixenv | anyone know how to do this? ==> i need to search a specific pattern inside a current dir and look for that pattern in some files BUT i need to exclude 3 dirs that exist in that current dir.. i know how to search for the string but not to search and exclude 3 various dirs |
| 22:24.52 | ArthurArchnix | That's probably the best solution. |
| 22:25.22 | aixenv | i did a man on find and didnt see anything specifying exclude paths |
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| 22:32.00 | Tramp | aixenv: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind - see the last point "-prune" |
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| 22:32.15 | ArthurArchnix | I've got a fairly clean install of Lenny. Installed standard, and laptop. Then put x, xfce on it. Everything is poking along, but there doesn't seem to be a suspend option. pm-utils is new in Lenny, and I know under hardy things were a bit mixed. With acpi still doing some of the work, but pm-utils butting in wherever it felt comfortable. What are your suspend solutions under lenny? |
| 22:32.42 | themill | dpkg: suspend troubleshooting |
| 22:32.42 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp. |
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| 22:33.31 | themill | ArthurArchnix: ^^ I use kpowersave as a frontend to uswsusp |
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| 22:34.29 | ArthurArchnix | themill: Yeah.. what I'm coming across isjust a bunch of different ways of getting at uswsusp |
| 22:35.19 | themill | ArthurArchnix: well fundamentally, that's what's doing the hard work. Unless you patch your kernel for tuxonice. |
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| 22:36.50 | ArthurArchnix | Looks like there's some docs on it in /usr/share/docs ... I just wanted to know what direction to focus my efforts. |
| 22:36.53 | Nurulwai | How can I prevent xrandr12 from loading with xorg at all? |
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| 22:38.11 | themill | ArthurArchnix: see the link that dpkg gave above. It has good information on how to get suspend working. |
| 22:38.22 | aixenv | Tramp: thanks |
| 22:38.38 | ArthurArchnix | themill: cheers. thanks. |
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| 22:39.20 | themill | ArthurArchnix: good luck :) There are only a few knobs that you can twiddle; suspend is getting to be a thing that either works or it doesn't, which is both a good and bad thing. |
| 22:40.26 | ArthurArchnix | yeah... if I can't get it to work I'll just set autologin, profile the boot and put a poweron password. That tends to be faster than resuming from hibernate. I've got a nice laptop. :) |
| 22:40.40 | ArthurArchnix | thanks again. G'nite. |
| 22:40.52 | themill | ciao |
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| 22:48.56 | aixenv | best way to search for [/page] and replace with </a> ? with the special chars on there im sure ill fubar that up |
| 22:49.06 | aixenv | searching/replacing from multiple files |
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| 22:51.46 | Tr0gdor | how can I copy the install ISO to a Harddrive and boot from it? |
| 22:52.30 | SPF | burn it onto cdrom or make a bootable usb stick |
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| 22:54.54 | Tr0gdor | both of those arent options |
| 22:54.58 | aixenv | perl -pi -e 's/\[\/page\]/\<\/a\>/g' `find . -type f` is that right? or too many escapes |
| 22:55.01 | Tr0gdor | I want to boot from a second hard disk |
| 22:55.43 | wols | hd media installer |
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| 22:57.06 | joetole | hey guys, I am trying to download packages and all dependencies on my computer at work for my home computer which has no internet for a couple of days since I just moved, right now I did a clean of the archives folder and am using apt-get --download-only but I don't know how to force it to get the dependencies |
| 22:57.07 | themill | aixenv: sed can do that for you nicely too. sed -i. I don't know that either sed or perl will edit multiple files like that though. You may want to use -exec for perl instead, or use xargs -n1 |
| 22:57.16 | joetole | can anyone suggest something? |
| 22:57.17 | Tr0gdor | wols got a link? |
| 22:57.27 | wols | joetole: apt-zip |
| 22:57.37 | joetole | wols: you the man |
| 22:57.44 | themill | dpkg: apt-zip |
| 22:57.44 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline>. <apt-walkabout> |
| 22:57.49 | themill | yeah, what wols said. |
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| 22:58.20 | aixenv | themill: that works, im just not sure if i have the escapes right ive done perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/g' `find . -type f | grep php$` |
| 22:58.22 | wols | Tr0gdor: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 22:58.47 | Tr0gdor | wols tried that |
| 22:58.48 | jelly-home | aixenv: you better not have funky characters in file names |
| 22:58.54 | Tr0gdor | came up with a bunch of ubuntu shit |
| 22:59.33 | jelly-home | touches '; rm -rf *; php' in aixenv's . |
| 22:59.46 | themill | heh |
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| 23:00.01 | aixenv | jelly: no funky chars |
| 23:00.43 | themill | aixenv: funky includes spaces... |
| 23:01.28 | aixenv | no spaces in file names |
| 23:01.34 | aixenv | this is linux not windows :) |
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| 23:02.17 | jelly-home | hopes aixenv's customer's don't have mail form.php |
| 23:02.27 | themill | hmmm.... not satisfied with the answers, it seems |
| 23:02.27 | dustybin | ive installed lm-sensors on lenny, and i activated a sensors-detect |
| 23:02.29 | dustybin | server:/home/dustybin# modprobe w83627ehf |
| 23:02.31 | dustybin | FATAL: Module w83627ehf not found. |
| 23:02.46 | dustybin | before, lm-sensors on etch worked ok, but now the module isnt even loaded on my kernel? |
| 23:02.47 | Laser | im trying to compile a freebsd kernel under linux, but when i do make buildkernel KERNCONF=PXEBOOT i get Makefile:111: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 23:03.23 | Laser | how can i fix this? |
| 23:03.39 | jelly-home | Laser: make your makefile gnu make compliant? |
| 23:03.48 | Laser | how? |
| 23:04.08 | themill | Laser: take a cluebat to the BSD people..... |
| 23:04.15 | themill | hides from Theo |
| 23:04.16 | jelly-home | Laser: I have no useful answer to that |
| 23:04.23 | Laser | lol |
| 23:04.35 | jelly-home | Laser: "rtfm and fix the errors" isn't useful |
| 23:04.35 | Laser | it's not Theo |
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| 23:04.53 | Laser | thanks |
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| 23:04.59 | Laser | will do that |
| 23:05.07 | jelly-home | Laser: start at line 111 :-) |
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| 23:06.26 | abrotman | gives gravity a cribbage board |
| 23:06.36 | gravity | Heh |
| 23:06.53 | streuner | that's what i thougth too :-) |
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| 23:09.05 | dustybin | lm-sensors on lenny doesnt work :( |
| 23:09.09 | dustybin | it did on etch :( |
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| 23:14.41 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:14.41 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 23:26.59 | abrotman | !flw |
| 23:26.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw3 is < zontak2> stable systems suck, nothing exciting |
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| 23:31.21 | micols | i want to tar up 1000 files with long paths, how can i tar them up, tar -czf - $files , to stdout using xargs? without running more than one tar? |
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| 23:32.37 | elagar | hi... im having problems with an USB WD 160 Gigas HD... |
| 23:32.42 | elagar | this is the error message |
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| 23:34.51 | elagar | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1) |
| 23:36.03 | karsten | elagar: Anything else? |
| 23:36.14 | karsten | elagar: /var/log/messages or dmesg or /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 23:38.12 | elagar | yeap... where can i put the log?? |
| 23:38.46 | streuner | paste.debian.net |
| 23:40.12 | karsten | elagar: Paste the URL once you do that. |
| 23:40.17 | karsten | !tell elagar about paste |
| 23:40.19 | elagar | http://paste.debian.net/5267/ |
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| 23:41.15 | karsten | elagar: Looks like a possible USB disconnect. Did your cable get jiggled? |
| 23:41.24 | elagar | im using 2.6.25 ... |
| 23:41.30 | karsten | elagar: Otherwise, possible disk failure. I'd try umounting, fsck, remount, and test again. |
| 23:41.55 | streuner | elagar: private kernel? |
| 23:42.03 | elagar | nop... |
| 23:42.08 | karsten | elagar: You posted dmesg output which lacks timestamps, /var/log/kern.log should have the same data with timestamps, may make the timeline a bit more sensible. |
| 23:42.26 | joetole | well, apt-zip seems to suck for what I need |
| 23:42.33 | streuner | elagar: why did you mention what kind of kernel you use? |
| 23:42.51 | joetole | I am not at home and would simply like to download each package and all of it's dependencies |
| 23:43.02 | streuner | do you have no problems with another kernel? |
| 23:43.08 | abrotman | --print-uris |
| 23:43.13 | joetole | and since apt-zip needs to be run on the host that needs the packages |
| 23:44.49 | joetole | does anyone have any other suggestions for how I can download all packages and dependencies for package X? |
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| 23:44.53 | elagar | this is the /var/log/kern.log |
| 23:44.55 | elagar | http://paste.debian.net/5268/ |
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| 23:46.24 | abrotman | --print-uris |
| 23:47.17 | elagar | uhhh.. the problem only happens with the 2 front USB sockets.. the rear sockets works fine.. |
| 23:47.23 | BrianSteffens | Debian is sexy. I have nothing else to report. Back to you, Tom. |
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| 23:47.25 | elagar | sorry my english... |
| 23:47.25 | abrotman | joetole: if you use --print-uris .. you can get full paths .. not sure about all deps though |
| 23:48.18 | joetole | abrotman: yes but this machine already has those packages installed so apt-zip treats them as installed |
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| 23:49.00 | abrotman | joetole: the problem here is going to be that you likely don't know every dep the other system needs |
| 23:49.22 | joetole | If I could even uninstall the packages and said depends on this machine I would be happy but not sure how on depends |
| 23:49.52 | joetole | abrotman: they are identical versions on the same arch but the other system is a fresh install and no net since |
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| 23:50.19 | abrotman | apt-move ? |
| 23:50.31 | joetole | so the other system has the bare minimum install, and if by chance I downloaded and copied files that the other system doesn't need then that will not hurt either |
| 23:50.48 | joetole | mans apt-move |
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| 23:52.08 | joetole | abrotman: I do not have the files in the archive |
| 23:52.18 | joetole | I did a clean of it earlier |
| 23:52.36 | abrotman | ignore it |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | joetole: if you just did the whole installl .. isn't your apt cache still holding the packages? |
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| 23:54.31 | joetole | abrotman: I am at work right now on a commonly used machine with a clean archive (/var/cache/apt/archives) and my home machine has a clean fresh install and no installed packages since |
| 23:54.31 | karsten | elagar: OK, looks as if the device reset after a second, and started throwing errors almost immediately. |
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| 23:54.39 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 23:54.44 | joetole | yeah |
| 23:54.50 | joetole | am I fscked? |
| 23:54.53 | karsten | elagar: I'd check the USB port, any USB hub you're using, and the cable, but it smells like a bad disk or bad USB connection. |
| 23:55.15 | abrotman | joetole: do you have a /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 23:55.29 | karsten | joetole: Yeah, you're pretty much scrawed. |
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| 23:55.35 | elagar | karsten, K but the problem only happends with the 2 front usb ports.. |
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| 23:55.42 | elagar | the real ports are fine... :S |
| 23:56.00 | joetole | abrotman: yes I do |
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| 23:56.29 | BrianSteffens | I have two servers: a main and a failover, running apache. Heartbeat is set up to handle failover and failback. However, when a failover occurs, heartbeat is unable to start apache because it requires an SSL pass phrase. Is there any way around this apart from removing the pass phrase altogether? |
| 23:56.48 | abrotman | joetole: you could (it'll be ugly) .. grab a list of packages you've installed .. and use the --print-uris to show a list of URIs .. then wget them all .. put them on a CD and take them home .. |
| 23:56.59 | karsten | elagar: Check your internal cabling then. |
| 23:57.10 | joetole | abrotman: that sounds do able |
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| 23:57.24 | abrotman | joetole: not sure if i agree :) |
| 23:57.26 | karsten | elagar: Those ports are wired up internally somehow. I'd crack the case and take a look, and/or bitch to my HW vendor. New or old system? |
| 23:57.26 | joetole | I did do that the other eve with some files before I did a re install |
| 23:57.50 | karsten | BrianSteffens: That's pretty much the problem of SSL passphrases. |
| 23:57.55 | joetole | yeah, looking at my dpkg.log I am not sure I can pull package names |
| 23:58.01 | elagar | New |
| 23:58.01 | joetole | @ abrotman |
| 23:58.02 | ravenbird | abrotman is also known as abortman |
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| 23:58.15 | abrotman | joetole: sure you can .. |
| 23:58.18 | elagar | k.. let me check the wires.. |
| 23:58.20 | karsten | BrianSteffens: You have the option of providing it through some mechanism which makes it availabel but only to that one system, though without human intervention. |
| 23:58.21 | elagar | thanks.. |
| 23:58.28 | streuner | @factinfo abrotman |
| 23:58.29 | ravenbird | abrotman -- created by abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> at Sat Oct 6 18:22:23 2007 (242 days); last modified at Sat Oct 6 18:25:04 2007 by simonrvn!i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn; it has been requested 4 times, last by joetole, 27s ago. |
| 23:58.41 | joetole | ah |
| 23:58.43 | joetole | wait |
| 23:58.49 | BrianSteffens | karsten: Oh? |
| 23:58.55 | joetole | I was looking for full package file names instead of what apt needs |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | right |
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| 23:59.09 | karsten | elagar: You should test the drive on another box if you can, just to rule out disk errors. |
| 23:59.12 | joetole | right, some grep and sed and... |
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| 23:59.30 | joetole | abrotman: wait, couldn't I just use dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 23:59.34 | abrotman | you oculd |
| 23:59.37 | karsten | BrianSteffens: Say: an ssh-key based fetch from another system, forced command, which only accepts connections from a given IP and/or MAC address. |
| 23:59.38 | joetole | lol |
| 23:59.42 | joetole | that seems cleaner |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | if you use the dpkg.log .. you can go from a certain point in time |
| 23:59.51 | karsten | BrianSteffens: Not perfect, but a reasonable proxy for good security. |
| 23:59.52 | joetole | ah |
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| 23:59.55 | joetole | true |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | which i kind of thought you wanted |
