IRC log for #debian on 20080605

00:00.41ampexBrianSteffens: or you could just use an SSL key with no passphrase :)
00:00.47BrianSteffenskarsten: Ah. hmmmm
00:01.04karstenBrianSteffens: Mind I'm just hauling this out of /dev/ass, but that's some ideas.
00:01.20streunerhehe
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00:02.15BrianSteffenskarsten: Better than /dev/null.. too bad /bin/fix_all_my_problems doesn't exist
00:02.42rhineheart_mhello. Is there an mp3 player with scheduler?
00:02.56streunerkcron or such? :-)
00:03.12joetoleabrotman: atm I am doing a => for a in $(dpkg --get-selections | cut -d '    ' -f1) ; do apt-get --download-only -y install $a ; done
00:03.19joetoleand it is rebuilding the archive
00:03.22abrotmani've seen worse
00:03.28joetoleme too
00:03.31joetoleheh
00:03.37joetolenow I need to further read apt-move
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00:04.02karstenBrianSteffens: I think that's under the /usr/local/honeydo/bin tree.
00:04.34streunerrhineheart_m: wait, it isn't kcron, but there is a nice app. (KDE) which works fine
00:04.38BrianSteffenskarsten: You're right! HURRAY
00:04.53rhineheart_mstreuner, what is it?
00:04.58karstentries running 'man 6 pig | pig'
00:05.04joetoleabrotman: thanks for the uh... insight
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00:06.36BrianSteffensfix_all_my_problems won't compile :( it depends on voodoo-magic
00:07.40BrianSteffenssudo shutdown --go=home now
00:07.41BrianSteffenswaves
00:07.46karstenBrianSteffens: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html
00:07.53karstenBrianSteffens: FYI
00:08.20BrianSteffenskarsten: ty =)
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00:08.53karstenBrianSteffens: Instructs how to save the key as a root-readable-only file.
00:09.11abrotmanjoetole: you act like i didn't help :)
00:09.31BrianSteffenskarsten: Yeah, the security guy flipped when I pitched that idea
00:09.37karstenBrianSteffens: ...and a reference to a "SSLPassPhraseDialog exec:/path/to/program" which might allow some form of remote access.
00:09.51karstenBrianSteffens: If you could see what passes for security in the real world.....
00:10.14joetoleabrotman: no I don
00:10.15joetolet
00:10.15karstenBrianSteffens: This is unfortunately one of those really big "security vs. convenience" issues.
00:10.16BrianSteffenskarsten: all passwords set to 'password'
00:10.21abrotmanjoetole: i'm kidding
00:10.23karstenBrianSteffens: What passwords?
00:10.27joetoleoh
00:10.28streunerrhineheart_m: kalarm ;-)
00:10.31karstendoesn't mention anything about rsh....
00:10.35joetole... yeah... me too o.)
00:10.39joetole* o.0
00:10.42BrianSteffenskarsten: (as an example of terrible security in the real world)
00:10.43nevynno passwords > bad passwords
00:11.00joetoleI forgot to add reinstall to the apt-get
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00:11.04karstenBrianSteffens: Anyhow:  that method works so long as you trust the physical security of the box in question.
00:11.11joetoleI just noticed now that archives was not growing
00:11.24karstenjoetole: If you plan on doing what you're doing often, I strongly recommend apt-proxy, BTW.  Or squid, more generally.
00:11.26BrianSteffenskarsten: That I do. I'll have a look at it
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00:11.52BrianSteffenskarsten: Thank you for the chmod +r /dev/ass
00:11.53Meawi've deleted a package, and when i installed it i start it /etc/init.d/freeradius start but in the log i got error like
00:11.56MeawThu Jun  5 03:11:10 2008 : Error: Failed creating PID file /var/run/freeradius/freeradius.pid: Permission denied
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00:12.22karstenBrianSteffens: Answer to yuor security guy is "well, here are the tradeoffs, here are the risks I'm trying to address, here are the assumptions of this system, what additional concerns do you have?"
00:12.36karstenBrianSteffens: Just remember, I gave you read access, not write :)
00:13.03karstensets his ass chattr +i
00:13.10BrianSteffenskarsten ^^
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00:13.39Meawany thoughts?
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00:13.47karstennotes that "chatter +j /dev/ass" makes a certain sort of sense too.
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00:14.24themillbetter than +a
00:14.55karstenMeaw: How'd you launch freeradius?  What user is it running as (EUID)?  What perms for /var/run/freeradius?  Is there an existing PID file?
00:14.56Meawthemill: i removed freeradius and installed again..but when i start it i got error says : Failed creating PID file /var/run/freeradius/freeradius.pid: Permission denied
00:15.12Meawkarsten: there's no pid file exist now
00:15.23Marbughi I just removed a lot of files on my debian server but it didn't freed any space at all :s I even rebooted the server because I thaught it would be solved then but it didn't work wha tcan I do to get to see what the problem is ?
00:15.35Meawkarsten: just like /etc/init.d/freeradius start
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00:15.42karstenMeaw: sudo?
00:15.49Meawas root yes
00:16.03karstenMarbug: Um.  'lsof'.  If you restarted the server, you wouldn't have any open files, but there might be a logfile open.
00:16.18karstenMeaw: Is the filesystem writeable?  grep <filesystem> /proc/mounts
00:16.29Meawit is
00:16.35karstenMeaw: Please confirm.
00:16.43Meawwas working fine until i removed and installed it again
00:17.03karstenMarbug: 'du -s *' from the top of the filesystem might show you where the space is being used.
00:17.11Meawin the conf file its set to user: freerad
00:17.24Marbugk I'll check it out
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00:18.52karstenMarbug: I'd ask you to post:  'cd <filesystem>; du -s $( ls -A ); df .'
00:18.57karsten!tell Marbug about paste
00:19.14Marbughm k
00:19.27Marbugcd <filesystem>
00:19.37Marbug<filesistem> = /dev/sda1 ?
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00:19.44karstenMarbug: Replace "<filesystem>" with the literal mountpoint.
00:19.48karstenMarbug: No.  Eg:  /usr
00:19.54karstenMarbug: ... or / or whatever.
00:19.58Marbugoh I see
00:20.01Marbugoki
00:20.03internat85this may not be the right place for this but knowledgeable people etc.. is there a jsp equivlent to horde3?
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00:21.11Meawkarsten: how to give a user permission to run freeradius? the user is "freerad"
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00:21.57Marbugkarsten http://www.pastebin.be/11920
00:22.02abrotmaninternat85: try ##linux or #java or maybe #web .. but i'm sure there's a webmail done in java .. freshmeat.net is a good place to check too
00:22.03karstenMeaw: chmown freerad:freerad /var/run/freeradius
00:22.21karstenMeaw: Give that user ownership of the PIDfile directory.
00:22.38abrotmaninternat85: and you're looking for java webmail . not jsp
00:22.54karstenMeaw: Might check to see what that user's primary group is, I'm assuming freerad.
00:23.15Meawchmown?
00:23.37karstenchown
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00:23.39karstenSorry.
00:23.43Hobbyisthi there
00:23.48HobbyistI have debian linux installed on small pc to act as a gateway between two networks, one of them is wireless (192.168.1.0) and the other is ethernet (192.168.0.0), the wireless network contains another gateway (192.168.1.1) which is connected to the internet. I was able to connect everything, now I can ping hosts in the internet (like google.com) from the a host in the private network 192.168.0.0, everything works great, but for some reason, I can't bro
00:23.48Hobbyistwse the internet!! seems like port 80 packets are not forwarded?
00:23.49karstenI'd combinded "chmod" and "chown"
00:23.57phr3akwhy load the initrd always? i specify noinitrd at commandline.
00:24.42joetolephr3ak: I encrypt / == initrd
00:24.46karstenphr3ak: Then remove the 'initrd' stanza from lilo/grub
00:25.17phr3aki don't want remove initrd from lilo/grub, i want noinitrd
00:25.18Marbugkarsten
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00:25.29abrotman!ipmasq
00:25.29dpkgIf all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html
00:25.30Marbugnevermind I found the problem
00:25.40joetolephr3ak: have fun
00:25.45phr3akit worked at older kernels i don't know why doesnt work nowdays
00:26.02Marbugmy stupid error, I removed stuff from another drive and I was checking howmuch spase was left on another one stupid me I need sleep :D
00:26.12karstenMarbug: Didn't delete the stuff you thought you had?
00:26.19joetolephr3ak: if there is no initrd loaded then why do you care about the syntax?
00:26.23karstenMarbug: Yeah.  I'm adding up your utilization, and ti checks.
00:26.51Marbugyeah I also did the sum karsten and I also saw that something wasn't right :)
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00:27.48Hobbyistdpkg, thanks I'll give it a try )
00:27.48dpkgHobbyist: gern geschehen
00:28.08karstenMarbug: http://paste.debian.net/5272/
00:29.01karstenMarbug: An "addup" awk script.  This one does univariate moments:  http://paste.debian.net/5274/
00:30.25Marbugoki thx :)
00:31.15karstenMarbug: Eg:  ps waux | awk 'NR>2 {print $5}' | mean
00:31.28karstenMarbug: ... gives univariate moments of VSZ of all current processes.
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00:33.43MarbugI don't really get it but I'll try to check it out
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00:36.12karstenMarbug: 'univariate moments' == your standard statistical measures.  count, sum, min, max, mean, median, and percentiles.
00:36.18rhineheart_mis there an mp3 player that I could schedule which songs to play in a specified time and will as well autoplay once the application has been started?
00:36.21karstenMarbug: I wrote that a ways back as a handy little utility.
00:36.38dustybinlm-sensors doesnt work in lenny, ive tried everything
00:36.42karstenrhineheart_m: I _think_ amarok will do that.
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00:36.52karstendustybin: Doesn't work, or isn't supported by your mobo?
00:37.10dustybinkarsten: it worked in etch no problem
00:37.12dustybinnow this
00:37.15dustybinDo you want to load `i2c-dev' now? (YES/no): YES
00:37.16dustybinFATAL: Module i2c_dev not found.
00:37.16dustybinLoading failed, expect problems later on.
00:38.07rhineheart_mkarsten, thanks.. do you think is would work with kalarm?
00:38.12dustybinit seems like stuff isnt turned on in the kernel
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00:45.14Bushmillsdustybin:  modprobe -l | grep i2c   shows what?
00:45.54Bushmillshm no show too much probably hang on.
00:46.26dustybinBushmills: that doesnt show anything
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00:47.08Bushmillsyou seem to lack a lot of kernel modules
00:48.04Bushmillsdustybin:    modprobe -l | wc -l
00:48.10Bushmillsgives what?
00:48.29dustybinserver:/dev# modprobe -l | wc -l
00:48.29dustybin0
00:48.41dustybinsombodys stolen my bloody modules :(
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00:48.53Bushmillshave you upgraded your kernel?
00:48.57dustybinbastards
00:49.12dustybinBushmills: im using a lenny kernel
00:49.21dustybinLinux server 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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00:49.35Bushmillsls /lib/modules/2.6.24
00:49.36dustybinbut ages ago, i had to recompile the kernel to get nvidia driver working
00:49.41karstenrhineheart_m: NFC.
00:49.59karstenrhineheart_m: If all else fails, 'play', cron and/or at, and launching a player in random mode, may work.
00:49.59dustybinls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.24: No such file or directory
00:50.15karstenrhineheart_m: amarok has a CLI interface which gives you a lot of flexibility as well.
00:50.24Bushmillsdustybin:  uname -a
00:50.33karstendustybin: With the price of gas these days, they won't get far.
00:50.51dustybin/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686  <-- i have this
00:50.58dustybinkarsten: hehe
00:50.58Bushmillsah
00:51.47dustybinBushmills: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2626
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00:52.39uditHi
00:52.39uditIm trying to build an automated python script to generate a repackaged deb and I thought that maybe Im reinventing the wheel here.
00:52.39uditWhat I need to do is to make custom changes to a debian source package and repackage it to make a deb. My script would
00:52.39udit1. copy the contents of the source package and put it into a temporary location
00:52.39udit2. apply all existing patches to source package in temp location.
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00:52.57rhineheart_mtell udit !pastebin
00:52.58Bushmillsdustybin:   find /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686 -type f | wc -l
00:53.07uditsorry
00:53.50uditshd have typed little bit at a time
00:54.21dustybinserver:/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686# find /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686 -type f | wc -l
00:54.23dustybin2065
00:54.34Bushmillsdustybin:  uname -a
00:54.50dustybinLinux server 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
00:55.35Bushmillsdustybin:   depmod -a ; modprobe -l | wc -l
00:56.19dustybinserver:/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686# depmod -a ; modprobe -l | wc -l
00:56.19dustybin2052
00:56.33Bushmillstry lmsensors again.
00:56.38dustybinaye ok
00:56.56dustybinDo you want to load `i2c-dev' now? (YES/no): YES
00:56.56dustybinModule loaded successfully.
00:57.00dustybinhow the hell did you do that?!
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00:57.11dustybinwhat was wrong with my system?
00:57.28Bushmillsdepmod -a   did the trick
00:58.19Bushmillsbut why it was needed, i can't tell you. shouldn't be with stock kernel
00:58.50dustybinthank you :)
00:58.54Bushmillsyw
00:59.10dustybinit might be when i had to do a recompile with the nvidia driver ages ago, it was a bit messy
00:59.20dustybinthis is the result: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2627
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01:08.10fedyawhat's the command to find out what package contains some program x?
01:08.48gravityfedya: dpkg -S /path/to/your/program
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01:08.54Bushmillsfedya: apt-get install apt-file
01:09.15fedyayea but what if i dont know the name of the package that installs it?
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01:09.38fedyaapt-get search killall <-- for example i remember now killall can't be installed with apt-get install killall
01:09.41abrotmani think -S needs the first / removed
01:09.42Bushmillsthen use apt-file to find it
01:09.48abrotmanpsmsic
01:10.31fedyaohh there is it dpkg -S killall
01:11.00fedyai needed dpkg-buildpackage
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01:11.33fedyadpkg: *dpkg-buildpackage* not found. <-- well now im screwed
01:11.34dpkgfedya: I don't know, could you explain it?
01:12.18Bushmillsdpkg -S  works for files which hare installed on your system
01:12.18dpkgYou Fool!  works for files which hare installed on your system is installed!
01:12.24fedyaoh
01:12.38fedyai didnt think killall was installed, i had to install it myself last time i installed etch
01:12.53fedyais there an apt-cache search or something like that?
01:13.06Bushmillsthat's why i told you apt-file
01:13.34fedyalol... is that something i have to install also? it's command not found?
01:13.54Bushmillsno you don't have to
01:14.04gravityfedya: That's in dpkg-dev
01:14.06Bushmillsyou may want to, but only if you want to use ut
01:14.07Bushmillsit
01:14.33abrotmanseriously?
01:14.50PhrkOnLshWhy on earth is it impossible for me to remove a single KDE or Gnome app without removing the whole window manager?
01:15.14fedyai'm trying to figure out how im gonna have to find all the dependencies this thing is going to need, i can't find any docs to tell me what libs im going to need to build everything
01:15.44Bushmillsfedya: apt-cache depends <packagename>
01:15.48abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: metapackage
01:15.58PhrkOnLshabrotman: I know but "Why?"
01:16.13abrotmanit's a metapackage .. it's only there for ease of use
01:16.23BushmillsPhrkOnLsh: dependency
01:16.24abrotmanand you're removing a dep or recommends of the metapackage
01:16.41fedyait's not a package... i'm trying to build a package from source, i've been messing around with this thing all day and it wont install correctly on debian, but apparently it has a "make deb" target that can be used to build .debs for all the modules
01:16.49fedyabut it needs all kinds of libs to build all the modules
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01:17.35[S]oletis there a way to view bandwidth speeds per connection from shell?
01:17.39PhrkOnLshabrotman: kay, how bout this, HOW can I remove a single KDE dependant application? I really don't need, say, education-desktop-kde and its dependancies
01:17.47fedyadpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 5) dpatch libexpat1-dev libxml2-dev libpq-dev unixodbc-dev libxmlrpc-c3-dev libperl-dev libsnmp-dev libdb-dev (>= 4.6.19-1) xsltproc libconfuse-dev libldap2-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev <-- this is the next thing it's telling me now, now i need to install all these, then it will want more im sure
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01:17.53abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: so just remove it
01:18.07PhrkOnLshabrotman: it nukes the entire KDE if I remove it. or tries to reather
01:18.13PhrkOnLshsets them all for autoremove
01:18.21abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: paste it
01:18.31abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: oh .. i got it ..
01:18.34abrotman!install kde
01:18.35dpkgThe metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest.  To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt.  For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
01:18.37abrotmanstart smaller
01:18.41odlaPhrkOnLsh: use apt-get instead of aptitutude then
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01:19.14PhrkOnLshI use apt-get
01:19.22BushmillsSolet: "per connection"?
01:19.27odlastrange
01:19.32abrotmanand?
01:19.40PhrkOnLshabrotman: will paste as soon as dist-upgrade is finished
01:19.53Bushmillsi.e. 100 hits on a page page show 100 values?
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01:21.04abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: aptitude and apt-get work more similiarly now
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01:22.10PhrkOnLshabrotman: http://pastebin.com/m77d5adc1
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01:23.00PhrkOnLshok, just bothered to read scrollback (:))
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01:23.11abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: read it again
01:23.14PhrkOnLshhow can I go from the kde package to only kde-core, etc
01:23.23PhrkOnLsher, kde-base
01:23.29SoletBushmills: like for a particular ssh connection, i wanna know how much bandwidth is going through it
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01:23.30PhrkOnLshwithout uninstalling all of kde?
01:24.08BushmillsSolet: per ip adress .. iptraf should do
01:24.11abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: read your error again
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01:24.27PhrkOnLshUse 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
01:24.34PhrkOnLshso, when I do that, kde goes bye bye
01:24.38abrotmanit's not telling you it's going to remove that ..
01:24.49PhrkOnLshIt's telling me that when I autoremove it will.
01:25.11PhrkOnLshbbl, have to go a bit
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01:28.04lindenleHi KDE control center is telling me that I do not ave acpi installed after a kernel upgrade (says I need to enable acpi in the acpi panel) but I cannot figure out where that is.
01:28.42Soletbushmills: THANKS!
01:29.04BushmillsSolet: for more clickable detail, ntop would be an alternative.
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01:29.34Bushmillsbut - need graphical web browser
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01:31.58soljwhat happened to the ntp package in lenny?
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01:35.36soljabrotman: any suggestions for the best replacement?
01:36.19philsfhello, I'm deciding what's the best way to use stable on a box that has an unsupported e1000 NIC (I'm almost sure it's an e1000e). What would you suggest? Compiling the upstream driver, using the binary kernel from testing (I think the one from -backports still doesn't have it), or else?
01:36.19abrotmando you need the daemon or the client?
01:36.32abrotman!etchnhalf
01:36.32dpkgmethinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
01:36.39soljabrotman: client
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01:37.06abrotmanchrony or ntpdate i suppose
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01:37.15xjkxwtf, wine doesn't run .msi ?
01:37.37kuberxjkx: it does...
01:37.42kuberthere's a particular command..
01:38.02kubermsiexec /i File.msi
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01:38.30soljntpdate gone too?
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01:38.57xjkxkuber, lol, worked, thanks :O
01:39.00kubernp
01:39.07pythosIm seeking help in determining what the deal is with revurse lookup fo rmy subnets.  Any takers?
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01:39.23abrotmansolj: ah .. i guess it will come back eventually
01:39.33philsfabrotman: thanks for the pointer
01:39.38abrotmansolj: same with ntp i assume
01:39.50abrotmansolj: guess you're stuck with chrony for now .. or backport your own from sid
01:40.01soljabrotman: yep, thanks
01:40.27Bushmills!tell pythos about ask
01:40.27fedyawhat package installs ntpd?
01:41.03abrotman!tell fedya about search
01:41.35soljdpkg -S `which ntpd`
01:41.35dpkgYou Fool! `which ntpd` is installed!
01:41.36soljntp: /usr/sbin/ntpd
01:41.44abrotmanonly if it's installed
01:41.52PhrkOnLshHow can I uninstall kde metapackage and get it down to kdebase and what I want?
01:42.08PhrkOnLshwithout blowing the entire install and redownloading the packages
01:42.10soljthat's on etch
01:43.08abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: you can remark packages
01:43.14pythoshmmm, ok this is probably NOT debian related, however, I ham experiencing an issue with my revurse lookups being claimed as NOT functional from outside my ip address pools.  I figure it may be that Qwest has mucked up the allowance for my address space, yet I am not knowledgable enough to conclude this fully.  I am seeking revures lookup on my addresses, such as 65.116.88.1, .10, .2, thanks
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01:43.29PhrkOnLshabrotman: how?
01:43.42abrotmanPhrkOnLsh: i know aptitude as a way .. not sure about apt-get anymore
01:43.46abrotmanhas a way
01:43.59Bushmillspythos, add a PTR record to your zone file(s)
01:44.30PhrkOnLshabrotman: kay, i'll pounce around a bit. :)
01:44.31Bushmillsehm .. if on provider DNS
01:45.05fedyaaptitude install ntp is the one i want for running the daemon that keeps the time updated right?
01:45.22fedyai read somewhere that ntpdate isnt the right thign to use
01:45.39soljfedya: ntpdate is useful during boot
01:45.49soljyou want to use ntpd to slowly sync
01:45.51abrotmani doubt you want the daemon
01:45.57soljntpdate does it all at once
01:46.21solj...which could cause cron jobs to mess up
01:46.57fedyaso which do i want to install to keep my system time up to date
01:47.16pythosbushmills, well... Im seeing it resolve revurse here, using the 2 NDS servers I maintain locally.  I guess that means I have it right.  however, I see that other places <mstoolbox.com> shows revurse DNS failure on my mail server chief.oneota.net.  I am not sure of where the problem is, but I have a hunch that Qwest has not handed off the revurse for me to do as I wish with.
01:47.32abrotmanfedya: just use the client
01:47.54pythosBushmills: um, sorry... mxtoolbox.com
01:48.33Bushmillshost 64.20.227.131 -> mxtb-pws1.mxtoolbox.com.
01:48.57fedyadoes installing ntpdate automatically set it up to update every once in a while?
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01:49.37pythosBushmills: what I mean is, that when I go to that domain on the web, and do a search on my domain, then test the mailservers, for instance, chief.oneota.net, it returns an error for revurse dns.
01:49.55stewfedya: no, but install ntp will make it update continuously
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01:51.09Bushmillspythos, dig -t ns oneota.net -> SERVFAIL
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01:52.15pythosBushmills: not sure of what that means?
01:52.51Bushmillspythos: the names servers can't be reached or don't reply
01:52.56Bushmillsname servers
01:53.07unixSnobwhat's the command to update all installed packages?
01:53.43unixSnob(i just did a netinst off the CD only)
01:53.55pythosUm... what is the deal... I can get to them from all my servers here in the local IP pool.  Can you ping 65.116.88.10 ?
01:54.28XenguyunixSnob: decide if you want to use apt-get or aptitude first
01:54.37unixSnobaptitude
01:55.03soljunixSnob: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
01:55.10XenguyunixSnob: heh, I dunno aptitude (aptitude is the future apparently :_)
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01:55.24unixSnobhmm.. aptitude update is failing
01:55.36unixSnoblemme c what the issue is
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01:55.48XenguyunixSnob: as root
01:55.51lindenlehas anyone else gotten errors when trying to rebuild kernel 2.6.25 the debian way?
01:55.53karstenIs it possible to run PHP scripts from commandline?
01:55.57karsten.. and if so, how?
01:56.09karstenlindenle: No, nobody.  It always works perfectly.
01:56.13karstenTell lindenle about smart questions
01:56.19karsten!tell lindenle about smart questions
01:56.26unixSnobat some point it says "couldn't stat source package"  and all downhill from there
01:56.29Xenguyhehe
01:56.34karstenlindenle: How about posting the error log for a start?
01:56.42lindenlekarsten: ok here ya go
01:56.49karstenlindenle: To a pastebin.
01:56.53karsten!tell lindenle about paste
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01:56.59XenguyunixSnob: sometimes one just needs to wait a day or something
01:57.11karstenunixSnob: aptitude dist-upgrade
01:57.16Bushmillspythos: last hop is mail.csbiowa.com
01:57.24unixSnobkarsten: thanks, I'll try that
01:57.27karstenunixSnob: I'd generally do:  aptitude update; aptitude -dy dist-upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade
01:57.42pythosHmmm, well there IS a problem... mail.csbiowa.com is not anything to do with my stuff
01:57.52karstenunixSnob: The first updates the package lists, the second downloads the updates but doesn't install them, the third shows you what's going to happen before installing updates.
01:58.00lindenlekarsten :http://pastebin.ca/1039150
01:58.04lindenleknows pastebin
01:58.06karstenBushmills: Your nick makes me thirsty.
01:58.36pythosBushmills: Ill be back, I got to get kids into bed, thanks tho, if yer not here on my return
01:58.54Bushmillspythos:  http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212631116144287286.png
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01:58.58Xenguyis stuck in past, as root (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade)
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01:59.14karstenlindenle: That looks like a bad shell script for starters.  The "unary operator expected" error was a bash v2 => bash v3 bug IIRC.
01:59.23lindenleyes I know
01:59.24karstenXenguy: aptitude beats apt.
01:59.28karstenXenguy: ... erm, apt-get.
01:59.31lindenlei found a bug report on it just now
01:59.46Xenguykarsten: so I hear, but I'm paranoid so I don't trust it yet ;-)
02:00.01karstenXenguy: I'll see your paranoia and ask you ...
02:00.07karstenXenguy: HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?!!!!!
02:00.12Xenguykarsten: no, raise me :P
02:00.23Xenguy;-)
02:00.39karstenXenguy: You'll have to "raise" yourself, dude.
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02:00.59Xenguykarsten: think poker dude, but anyway, workin' on it
02:01.02xsdgkarsten: err... some things it does better, some it sucks at
02:01.16karstenlindenle: Where'd you get the Xen packages?  Is that Debian kernel sources, or other?
02:01.25karstenxsdg: ??]
02:01.26lindenledebian kernel source
02:01.31lindenlekarsten^
02:01.34karstenlindenle: Hrm.
02:01.54xsdgkarsten: you can't tell what repository a package is coming from
02:02.00lindenlekarsten: needed to add a config so that acpi is under /proc again and kde applet will start working again
02:02.02karstenxsdg: With a very few exceptions, using aptitude tends to give you a better experience.  See the Joey Hess post on why.
02:02.02xsdgkarsten: not at all
02:02.05PhrkOnLshare there any CD rippers that work faster than KAudiocreator on either gnome or KDE? AudioKonvertor fails at mp3 encoding.
02:02.22xsdgkarsten: so, for instance, I can't tell if a potential upgrade is coming from experimental
02:02.36karstenlindenle: Hrm.  Not immediately evident to me and I've got to split.
02:02.49Xenguyjust knows that apt-get used to work just fine :-)
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02:04.22BushmillsPhrkOnLsh: abcde is ok. depending on cd quality (using cdparanoia, which can take its time to compensate for read errors)
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02:05.08xsdgkarsten: apt-cache policy? :o)
02:05.32PhrkOnLshthanks Bushmills
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02:05.59lindenledisabling xen seems to have done it
02:06.30Xenguy! beer Bushmills
02:06.30dpkgpours a pint of Spaten Pils for Bushmills
02:06.51Bushmillsty
02:07.05Bushmillscan i swap against an augustiner?
02:07.26XenguyBushmills: you can only swap lager for ale :-)
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02:08.27XenguyBushmills: alright then swap it :-)
02:08.37PhrkOnLshi think #ubuntu might now, charIie
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02:08.47Bushmillselsewhere considered a beer speciality, it was economy beer in that region :)
02:08.47Xenguyknow*
02:09.02charIiePhrkOnLsh, err I mean on Debian
02:09.02PhrkOnLshthanks Xenguy :b
02:09.25Xenguyhahah
02:09.35PhrkOnLshcharIie: good save :) Try localhost
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02:09.48charIiePhrkOnLsh, it would be the same either way I believe, but I wasn't sure
02:09.53charIieok thanks
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02:10.16BushmillsXenguy: what did i say to deserve that beer?
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02:11.45XenguyBushmills: something brilliant no doubt; don't dwell on it, just look for the next wave ;-
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02:12.01hatterwhen i kill the vnc process with kill (pid) the pid doesnt get removed for some minutes after,  how can i kill a process and make sure its pid is removed straight awaty ?
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02:12.11BushmillsXenguy: i'd also accept a Veltins.
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02:13.25Xenguy! !beer Bushmills a veltins!
02:13.35Xenguyoh well :P
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02:15.13Bushmillsintention counts
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02:16.08BushmillsXenguy: http://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/beer.jpg
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02:17.23BushmillsXenguy: http://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/bushmills.jpg
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02:18.12Bushmillshttp://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/guinness1.jpg
02:18.15Bushmills:)
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02:18.50Bushmillsstill thirsty?
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02:19.33n3klGuinness?  Still hungry is more like it.
02:19.45xjkxwhat's the recommended software to blind people play texts with sounds ?
02:20.09xjkxone that works with languages other than english
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02:20.30abrotmanxjkx: most of them already have a hardware device .. festival is a program to read the screen .. but a blind person usually has a braille tty or screen reader already
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02:21.17Bushmillsxjkx: the software in DECtalk speech synthesizer is quite good. very naturally sounding speech for a synthesizer.
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02:22.14abusadoneed help
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02:22.23abusadochecking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
02:22.27Bushmillsxjkx: alternatively, maybe Eurovocs or Apollo/Juno/Dolphin synthesizers
02:22.35abusadohow to fix it>
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02:23.58xjkxabusado, install g++, i think
02:24.00xjkxthanks folks
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02:24.19liable!b-e abusado
02:24.19dpkgabusado: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
02:24.23abusadoi already did
02:24.43abusadoerrr
02:24.45abusadoyeah
02:24.52abusadoi forgot i only installed gcc
02:24.59abusadothanks dpkg
02:25.19abusadoits been 1 year since i last installed debian
02:25.26abusadoit's my new server thanks guys
02:26.59Bushmillsabrotman: how come you know about hardware synthesizers?
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02:27.39abrotmanBushmills: que?
02:28.00Bushmillsabrotman: "most of them already have a hardware device"
02:28.18abrotmanBushmills: for sight impaired?
02:28.23Bushmillsright
02:28.33abrotmanBushmills: because i do ?
02:28.46Bushmillsno idea. me asking.
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02:28.58abrotmanBushmills: i've had discussions with sight impaired people about using linux etc
02:29.15Bushmillsi c
02:29.16hatterhow secure is the vncserver password ?  If i run vncserver on boot and have it login as admin, then admin user security is reliant on vnc password
02:29.56abrotmanBushmills: i've talked to people about the braille ttys .. the text to speech is a good bit more expensive i gather
02:30.06pi-equivhmm..can someone traceroute my ip and send me the results?
02:30.27Bushmillshatter: 1. don't run x clients as root.  2. don't trust vnc auth over net.
02:30.51pi-equivrr.com seems to have changed all my ip's to a totally different new netblock
02:30.57Bushmillsabrotman: more the opposite. braille terminals tend to be quite expensive.
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02:31.31hatterBushmills, yeah, i tunnel to them over ssh if i need net access,  and currently the vncserver runs as admin
02:32.07abrotmanBushmills: yes .. they are .. but the hardware text-to-speech are supposedly more so .. but whatever
02:32.19hatterwhat is the pgrep command to see the user a pgm is run as ?
02:32.51Bushmillsabrotman: braille terminals about factor 5..20 times more expensive than hardware synths.
02:33.08abrotmanoh
02:34.05hatteroh yeah, ps xau
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02:35.28aptmadwifi is, like, atheros drivers at http://madwifi.sf.net
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02:36.26fedyadpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libdb-dev (>= 4.6.19-1) libcurl4-gnutls-dev <-- i still have these two deps remaining to figure out, but these versions aren't available in the etch stable tree, how would i install these versions?
02:36.29liable~madwifi =~ s/madwifi.sf.net/madwifi.org/
02:36.29aptliable: OK
02:36.31plb2Does anyone know of a well-supported (by Linux) WiFi card that is half-height
02:36.50Bushmillsmaybe braille cells are produces more cheaply now .. a while ago, piezoelectric cells where hand assembled and trimmed, which made them a bit pricy.
02:36.55Bushmillsproduced
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02:39.09aebonyneI am trying to image the CDs for some old DOS/Windows games I have lying around and a few of them now have come up in the file listing as nearly all question marks as the file names, ls -l gives question marks for some of the attributes, too. The disks appear clean and unscratched. Have they just degraded or is this some weird old Windows-only CD standard or ... ?
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02:39.38abrotmanBushmills: yeah .. it was awhile ago that i talked to them .. but we've had a few people in here with ttys trying to get them working .. and the disappearance of the speakup kernel was bad for them i gather
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02:41.02Bushmillsabrotman: i worked in R&D of company making that sort of equipment.
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02:41.11_ZeuZ_does anybody know any way to download mails from a hotmail address like a pop3 account other than gotmail? something faster perhaps?
02:41.12abrotmansounds not fun
02:42.03Bushmillswas quite ok. those devices use microcontrollers too.
02:42.20plb2any recommendations for half-height wireless cardS?
02:42.38_ZeuZ_plb2, anythign atheros based works fine for me
02:42.44_ZeuZ_or ralink based...
02:42.53_ZeuZ_although intel chipset is also pretty good
02:43.00fedyathis package i need is available in sit unstable it seems, how do i install it?
02:43.08plb2I was just hoping someone new of any half-height ones
02:43.12plb2er..knew
02:43.17fedyalibdb-dev >= 4.6.19
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02:43.52abrotmanyou don't
02:44.09fedyasid unstable rather
02:44.22fedyathe version available in etch stable isnt new enough to build this thing
02:44.31abrotmanyou don't?
02:44.33abrotmanerm ..
02:44.35abrotmanwhat thing ?
02:44.38fedyaopen ser
02:44.40fedyaopenser
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02:45.21JordiGHThis is weird. Most compiz packages are at 0.6.something-git and a few are at 0.7.4.something.
02:45.26JordiGHIs this just a packaging hiccup?
02:45.36JordiGHMy compiz is broken and metacity looks like crap. :-(
02:45.50abrotmanJordiGH: aren't you running lenny?
02:45.54JordiGHabrotman: I am.
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02:46.21abrotmanyou should know enoughy to check packages.d.o and the bts
02:47.07JordiGHabrotman: well, I just want to see if anyone else is having a similar problem. I know the versions are currently off in lenny. I actually tried the unstable packages, but those had other problems.
02:47.18abrotmanyou should know enoughy to check packages.d.o and the bts
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02:47.39JordiGH*sigh*
02:47.55JordiGHI did check compiz for bugs.
02:48.01vinc456would i be getting everything if i ran "tar --create --file /path/to/myextraharddisk /"?
02:48.07JordiGHBut it's kinda a pain to check through a bunch of related packages to see which one has the bug.
02:48.20vinc456i'm trying to copy the entire disk over to an external harddrive
02:48.32fedyashould i add a line in sources.list with sid main or unstable main?
02:48.56Bushmillsfedya: use an older openser-berkeley-module. that one depends on libdb. openser itself doesn't
02:49.27fedyai'm trying to build the latest source...
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02:49.33fedyainto debs
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02:50.45JordiGHAlright, is there a comfortable way to query a bunch of related packages for recent bugs?
02:50.52Bushmillsfedya: read about debootstrap. consider to chroot to an alternative installation for building.
02:51.49JordiGHBtw, I've recently been wondering why experimental doesn't have a codename.
02:52.03Bushmills(though i'd probably just apt-get install the openser which matches the debian branch which you're running)
02:52.11JordiGHThe mutant doll with her hair shaved off and spider legs would be a good name for experimental.
02:52.18|Ryan52JordiGH: it isnt and never will be a release.
02:52.27JordiGH|Ryan52: technically, sid isn't a release either.
02:52.31fedyathere is no openser that matches, you can install 1.1, but that is too old
02:52.34fedyai need 1.3
02:52.37JordiGH|Ryan52: And sid has a codename. :-)
02:52.38|Ryan52JordiGH: testing comes from sid though
02:52.52JordiGH|Ryan52: And some experimental packages sometimes move to sid. So
02:52.53JordiGH?
02:52.55|Ryan52JordiGH: ans I run a sid system. I dont think you can run a experimental system.
02:53.08|Ryan52JordiGH: but unstable->testing happens automatically
02:53.09fedyaoh ok 1.1 is available here, but that's too old, i'm trying to build > 1.3
02:53.26abrotmanJordiGH: you can't run experiemntal .. sid IS the codename .. and IIRC packages don't go from exp->unstable
02:53.26JordiGH|Ryan52: I know it's not a complete a system. Just like the shaved doll with spider legs is incomplete. :-)
02:53.49fedyawhy not just use packages from sid?
02:53.54|Ryan52JordiGH: but all the others are complete systems.
02:54.02abrotmanor at least functional
02:54.51JordiGHMeh, it's just a silly suggestion. I think I'll just privately call it by that doll name (Janie, I think). :-)
02:55.08abrotmandoesn't want anything to do with what JordiGH does in private
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02:55.41Bushmillsfedya: debian is a free distribution. that includes the freedom to mess up your system.
02:55.48abrotman!sid upgrade
02:55.48dpkgRepeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
02:56.12JordiGHis starting to not see much of a difference between testing and sid.
02:56.12|Ryan52Bushmills: you can do that with proprietary too :D
02:56.17fedyai thought sid was older than etch anyways?
02:56.27abrotman!tell fedya about grounding
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02:56.33Bushmillsfedya: we advised though that sid is not supported here.
02:56.36JordiGHWhen testing was closer to etch, things worked nicely. As time has come by and I've tracked testing, I've had lots more shit break than get better. Serves me right. :-)
02:56.39Bushmillsbe
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02:57.17|Ryan52JordiGH: I run sid fine...
02:57.28odlaJordiGH: testing should be getting stabler and less buggy as lenny's release nears
02:57.44abrotmanodla: they've had a few major transitions in the last few weeks
02:57.46JordiGH|Ryan52: And I've got tons of little glitches with testing. People always say "sid is great!" but things break. I think that people just get used to the breakage and stop noticing it.
02:58.04JordiGHodla: I know, I know. In the meantime, I've had breakage.
02:58.19fedyaok how do i use testing?
02:58.21odlahmm ... i've not noticed many issues
02:58.27fedyatesting seems to have it also
02:58.43odla!etch->lenny
02:59.18JordiGHAh, there we go. I'm running afoul of 483819
02:59.53fedyaah ok
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03:00.42fedyaif i add lenny to sources.list can i install just the two pkgs i need and then comment the lenny lines back out?
03:00.59abrotmanno
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03:01.02odla!backports
03:01.02dpkg[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
03:01.25fedyai read that...
03:01.35fedyado i need to do a backport from lenny?
03:01.36odlafedya: is it available at backports.org?
03:01.53fedyano
03:02.06fedyasaid it was too generic or didnt find it
03:02.13odlafedya: what's the package?
03:02.14fedyawhen i typed in a version number
03:02.33fedyadpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libdb-dev (>= 4.6.19-1) libcurl4-gnutls-dev
03:02.47odlafedya: what are you trying to do?
03:03.00fedyabuild openser from source into debs
03:03.09fedyait has a make deb target, but lots of dependencies
03:03.10odlaah
03:03.22fedya1.1 is in the stable tree is not new enough for something we need to do i believe
03:03.45fedyaa module underwent a lot of work from 1.1 to 1.3 that we need to use, so we have to install 1.3
03:04.08fedyai tried building it from source a few times today, but it installs itself into weird places
03:04.13fedyanot the "debian way"
03:04.18odlafedya: well you get add the deb-src from testing or sid and build it on your machine with dependencies from etch
03:04.45odlause dpkg-buildpackage
03:04.47fedyaeven did it by their book and they use debian, and then use some work arounds to make it work, when the build system even has a make deb target, but no docs on how to use it anywhere
03:05.04philsfis there any prediction for the next point release?
03:05.08fedyaodla: i wgetted the source
03:05.22odlafedya: you should use apt-get build-deps foo
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03:05.29odlafedya: apt-get source foo
03:05.37fedyathere is no source package
03:05.41odlaphilsf: last i heard sept 2008
03:05.52odlafedya: do you have a testing or sid source on your sources.lsit?
03:05.52philsfodla: isn't this lenny?
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03:06.11odlaphilsf: oh that's not what you mean is it ...
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03:06.16fedyano i dont
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03:06.29philsfodla: no, I meant point release - etch.4
03:06.31odlafedya: well if you want to build a newer version of that you should add one of those
03:06.45philsfodla: should be close, since the last one was in feb
03:06.47odlaphilsf: sure i figured it out ...  i have no idea
03:06.49fedyaok i do see that lenny (testing) has 1.3.2
03:06.54fedyai dont know if it's source or bin
03:07.07odlafedya: it has to have a source
03:07.23odlafedya: you should read the new maintainer's guide and backport it
03:07.23fedyaif it has a bin i dont even need a source
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03:07.43fedyabackport it to etch?
03:07.49odlafedya: yup
03:08.09fedyaand post it on backports.org or what?
03:08.19odlafedya: or you could add lenny to your sources.list try and try to install it that way and comment it out after ... that might require you to update packages you don't want
03:08.24JordiGHYou don't have to post it, but it would be nice if you did.
03:08.28odlafedya: nope just backport it for youself
03:09.00odlafedya: and it will give you a part etch/part lenny system ... something that's kind of frowned upon :)
03:09.11fedyalol yea
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03:09.38fedyado i need all these dependencies it made me install to backport it?
03:09.41odlafedya: it might just install a few packages or it might want to upgrade important packages that break stuff
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03:09.51|Ryan52fedya: try just it...it might make you though.
03:09.58odlafedya: you need what apt-get build-deps foo gives you
03:10.05|Ryan52fedya: oh, build-deps, then yes.
03:10.08fedyait seems to me that's what im trying to do right now... it has a facility for creating debs,
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03:11.26odlafedya: apt-get source foo, apt-get build-deps foo, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -tc -us -uc
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03:11.59fedyathis is backporting?
03:12.08odlafedya: for your machine yes
03:12.19fedyaso would i need to add a deb-src for lenny?
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03:12.27odlafedya: yup
03:12.32pythosBushmills: still here?
03:13.09fedyadeb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main <-- would this be correct?
03:13.20|Ryan52fedya: yup
03:13.32|Ryan52fedya: (assuming its in main)
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03:13.38fedyaoh wow ok that worked
03:13.51fedyai see it just got dsc for openser1.3.2
03:14.24fedyabuild-deps invalid operation?
03:14.41|Ryan52fedya: build-dep
03:15.05fedyaE: Build-Depends dependency for openser cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libdb-dev can satisfy version requirement
03:15.16|Ryan52fedya: start backporting that package now :D
03:15.19fedyathis seems to be doing the exact same thing i saw doing manually but in a little nicer way
03:15.38|Ryan52fedya: sometimes you gotta backport a few packages.
03:15.52fedyayea
03:15.59fedyait'll also need libcurl4 now
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03:17.21fedyaE: Build-Depends dependency for libdb-dev cannot be satisfied because the package tcl8.5-dev cannot be found
03:17.23fedya?
03:17.39|Ryan52fedya: move on :D (I usually give up at 5)
03:17.49|Ryan52fedya: by move on, I mean backport that package
03:18.12fedyaonce openser 1.3.2 is backported and i post it, no one else will have to go through this?
03:18.17fedyait will just be compiled for etch?
03:18.59|Ryan52fedya: yes. as long as any install dependancies are also backported. Though  I dont know what backports.org's standards are.
03:19.38fedyaexplain that again, all the other packages also need to be backported?
03:19.40\amethystfedya:  well, someone, not necessarily a human, will need to compile it on other architectures
03:19.55fedyahow can i make sure to package them all together even if i'ts just for me to do it on another machine?
03:20.12|Ryan52\amethyst: that's automated...
03:20.35\amethyst|Ryan52:  that's why I said "not necessarily a human" :)
03:20.49|Ryan52oh, sorry...
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03:21.26fedyaok so libdb made me get tcl8.5 i got the source of that, build-dep on it, then what?
03:21.52fedyawhen i typed the dpkg-buildpackage it started trying to build the source of the directory i was in
03:22.03\amethyst|Ryan52:  I hadn't been sure whether bpo was autobuilt across architectures, since I don't use it
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03:23.52|Ryan52fedya: did you cd to the dir that was made for that package?
03:24.04fedyai have no idea where that would be....
03:24.20|Ryan52fedya: in the dir you ran 'apt-get source'
03:24.36|Ryan52there will be a dir called package_version
03:24.57fedyaoh shit i had no idea that's where it goes
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03:25.23fedyawouldn't it have been easier if i backported the 2 libs i need and use the make deb mechanism from the openser source?
03:25.29|Ryan52yes, it makes quite a mess...it actually makes like 5 files after your done building.
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03:27.40fedyais there a guide for this somewhere?
03:27.43fedyai cant find one?
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03:31.45fedya|Ryan52: i might be getting somewhere with this, or might just be getting into an alternate 1985, when this is done building, what do i end up with, do i need to do a apt-get install resultant_pkg.deb?
03:32.03fedyaalso should i submit every one of these backports to backports.org?
03:32.06|Ryan52fedya: dpkg -i file.deb
03:32.17fedyaoh so it will spit out a file.deb?
03:32.22|Ryan52fedya: I dont know if they have any standards....
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03:32.39|Ryan52fedya: yes. in the same dir that the package_version dir is in.
03:32.52fedyahow would i go about finding this out, i cant believe im the first to do this heh
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03:33.15fedyaso if i was apt getting these source pkgs to /usr/src the .deb will be in /usr/src
03:33.34fedyanice!
03:33.42|Ryan52fedya: yes
03:33.58fedyatcl8.5dev and tcl8.5-doc debs just came out w00t, no idea what those have to do with openser
03:34.34|Ryan52fedya: it probably uses tcl....tcl is a programing language
03:34.51fedyait doesnt, libdb might
03:34.58fedyaok...
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03:35.10fedyadpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of tcl8.5-dev:
03:35.10fedya<PROTECTED>
03:35.10dpkgfedya: i don't know
03:36.10|Ryan52fedya: apt-get install -f
03:36.23|Ryan52fedya: (will try to fix those problems)
03:36.39JordiGHYay, compiz is back.
03:36.42fedyabut i was using dpkg i to install those two
03:36.58JordiGHLooks like a weird packaging bug in lenny where conflicting versions of the compiz packages exist.
03:37.04|Ryan52fedya: yes. dpkg installs stuff. apt resolves dependancies. normally apt downloads and dpkg -i's them
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03:37.23JordiGHit is a packaging bug, right? Packages that all have to be the same version shouldn't be installable by apt, right?
03:38.17|Ryan52JordiGH: if they have to be the same version, they shouldve came from the same source package and be put in the mirror together...
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03:38.35|Ryan52JordiGH: if thats not the case, then I would file a bug.
03:38.39fedyais there a way to force the tcl8.5-dev pkg to be installed?
03:38.41|Ryan52JordiGH: but file it on the package.
03:38.49|Ryan52fedya: whats it complaining about?
03:39.26JordiGH|Ryan52: Yeah, the bug is already filed.
03:39.41fedyai msged you the output
03:39.49|Ryan52fedya: apt-get install -f
03:40.25fedyait's going to remove tcl8.5-dev now
03:40.35|Ryan52fedya: does it tell you why?
03:40.41|Ryan52fedya: and you should ask before msg-ing...but I dont care anyways...
03:40.50fedyasry
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03:41.15fedyadoesnt say why
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03:41.24fedya1 not fully installed or removed.
03:41.57|Ryan52fedya: aptitude install -f
03:42.09fedyaif i tried to add a source to the bin and install libdb that way, it would break dependencies? that's why i need to backport all these things?
03:42.39fedyatcl8.5-dev: Depends: tcl8.5 (= 8.5.2-1) which is a virtual package.
03:42.51|Ryan52fedya: backport tcl8.5 too...
03:42.56fedyalol.
03:43.04|Ryan52ugh...this can become a big pain.
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03:44.30fedyai'm amazed that tcl8.5 isnt on backports.org
03:44.38fedyai'll be up all night doing this
03:44.53fedyai just need to make sure i save all the .debs right?
03:45.04fedyathen i'll always be able to install them all on etch and have it work?
03:45.21philsffedya: I hope you succeed. Maybe you can get some help in ubuntu's prevu package, though I don't know how specific to that distro it is
03:45.37|Ryan52fedya: yes, but these are just the build dependancies. there could also be install dependancies.
03:45.37fedyai hope i succeed too
03:45.41fedyai dont like not succeeding
03:46.01|Ryan52fedya: the install dependancies will also need to be backported and installed on those systems if the current etch ones don't work.
03:46.16fedyathat's what im working on right now though right?
03:46.23fedyathis tcl8.5 is a dep for openser
03:46.30|Ryan52fedya: thats a build dep
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03:47.14fedyawoo aptitude install -f comes back with no errors
03:47.24|Ryan52philsf: you ruined my fun! I was just gonna make a script that does that...
03:47.26|Ryan52:D
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03:48.01fedyahere's an interesting questions, i was going into aptitude to see that tcl8.5 had been installed and see it in green and it's not
03:48.05fedyais that because it's a backport?
03:48.17philsf|Ryan52: well, sorry for that (or not) :)
03:48.52fedyadpkg -l shows all 3 tcl pkgs i just built though :)
03:48.52dpkgii  shows all 3 tcl pkgs i just built though :)                 1.4-14.2           fedya's private porn collection
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03:49.43|Ryan52fedya: maybe they were already there.
03:49.55fedyahaha no i dont think so
03:50.06fedya8.5 isnt in etch source tree
03:50.08|Ryan52fedya: did you 'dpkg -i' multiple though?
03:50.16fedyayes i did all three
03:50.21|Ryan52fedya: cause one source packages can build many binary packages
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03:50.46fedyayes that's what happened, tcl8.5-dev built two and the other one built one as well :)
03:50.52fedyadefault-jdk-builddep <-- any idea what this is
03:51.27|Ryan52fedya: they build-dep on that and it depends on all of the real build-deps, probably.
03:51.51fedyaam i stuck?
03:52.43fedyaCouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "default-jdk-builddep"
03:52.54|Ryan52java-common and default-jdk
03:53.15|Ryan52^^backport those :D (I would consider giving up at this point...unless you have lots of patience and determination)
03:53.44fedyabut if the libdb is dependent on that virtual package, it wont find it
03:53.55|Ryan52java-common has that virtual package in it
03:54.03|Ryan52many binaries can come from one source
03:54.14fedyado i need to backport it or can i just use the one from etch
03:54.19fedyaapt-get install java-common
03:54.31|Ryan52fedya: but that installs the binary
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03:54.43fedyaisnt that all it needs?
03:54.45|Ryan52fedya: you need a different binary that comes from the same source as java-common
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03:55.19|Ryan52fedya: or, wait.
03:55.27|Ryan52fedya: what is trying to install that?
03:55.46stew|Ryan52: java-common only produces one binary
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03:55.54stewfedya: what are you actually trying to accomplish?
03:55.57fedyai'm still trying to build libdb-dev which is no asking for default-jdk whatever
03:56.06fedyainstall openser 1.3.2
03:56.36|Ryan52stew: apt-get source java-common && less java-common-0.30/debian/control
03:56.43xjkxwho recommended me dolphin here ?
03:56.43|Ryan52stew: I see many
03:57.25stewRusty1: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/java-common/java-common_0.25.dsc
03:57.31stew|Ryan52: ^^
03:57.33fedyaso now im stuck at the point where i need libdb-dev greater than 4.5 i believe
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03:57.48bincgievening..
03:57.55bincgi==> messages <==   - Jun  4 20:45:50 mac -- MARK --
03:58.06|Ryan52stew: is that lenny?
03:58.06bincginot sure what is this mean.. could someone tell me..
03:58.29|Ryan52oh, I see.
03:58.37stewbincgi: /msg dpkg mark
03:59.07bincginice
03:59.17boazMy KDE4 8.04 AMD64 system locked up, and I had to reboot. Now when I start the system I get an error message: "Malformed URL system:/"  Is there any way to fix this? I've already posted this on the Kubuntu and Ubuntu channels, but no one seems to know the answer.
03:59.18bincgitx for this ... stew
03:59.24JordiGHAwesome, my girlfriend is buying a Debian thong.
03:59.33|Ryan52!tell boaz about ubuntu
03:59.45bincgiwhats the differance JordiGH, downloading and buying?
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04:00.04JordiGHbincgi: The difference is she's actually gonna wear it. :-)
04:00.20bincginice, like to see that happen
04:00.22fedyai was thinking of installing libdb-dev as a bin from lenny
04:00.41JordiGHI wish I could share pics of the event, but you really can't do that tastefully.
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04:01.02bincgiclear the face just need to see the look
04:01.07|Ryan52fedya: ya, try it
04:01.22JordiGHI'm not sure she'd be cool with even that.
04:01.26fedyajust the same thing i did with the deb-src but just no src
04:01.27JordiGHShe's hardcore feminist.
04:01.31bincgilol
04:01.50JordiGHWorks for me: I get all the nookie, no one else does.
04:01.56bincgiwell, debian is HOT i can imagine how hot she can be wearing that, no disrespect
04:01.57JordiGHAlright, now I'm really offtopipc.
04:02.06bincgiyou right.. my bad
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04:02.13stewfedya: if its the java stuff that is holding you up, you could probably either around it, or use an older db4.5
04:02.49stewfedya: the default-jdk-builddep is something rather new
04:02.52fedyathere's nothing in etch that's a new enough libdb-dev
04:02.58fedyayea i figured
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04:03.33fedyaLOL aptitude is f*cked up
04:03.45stewfedya: some older version should be easier to backport: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/d/db4.5/source/Sources.gz
04:03.46fedyai just added lenny to sources
04:03.57stewfedya: what do you mean by "added lenny to sources"?
04:04.11duduhi, anyone can tell me how many gb is a  debian instalation dvd? are there 1, 2 or 3 dvds?
04:04.30fedyadeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
04:04.49nevyndudu: which bits?
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04:05.20stewfedya: you should not be trying to mix stable with lenny binary pacakges
04:05.31nevyndudu: a full copy of everything in debian for every archetecture is many 10's of gigabytes.
04:05.41fedyayea.. so i've been told :(
04:05.57duduin http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ there are debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso  , debian-40r3-i386-DVD-2.iso  and debian-40r3-i386-DVD-13iso
04:06.01fedyaE: Build-Depends dependency for openser cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libdb-dev can satisfy version requirements <-- this doesnt tell me what version it requires
04:06.04dududebian-40r3-i386-DVD-3.iso
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04:06.15stewfedya: apt-cache showsrc openser
04:06.22irixI got error when I want to download the weekly build with torrents. "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" any help?
04:06.46fedya4.6.19
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04:06.54nevyndudu: in the general case the reccommendation is to use the netinstall method.
04:07.21nevyndudu: if you really feel the need to have physical media then the dvd's are availible.
04:07.39duduhow much disk space it needs?
04:07.51duduin my notebook
04:08.00nevyndudu: it depends how much stuff you install
04:08.09stewdudu: for all 3 dvs?
04:08.16dudunetinstall
04:08.23stewdudu: /msg dpkg ig
04:08.57stewdudu: that will get you the install guide, which tells you the minimum requirements, which would be somewhere around a couple hundred megs
04:09.15duduthanks
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04:10.30fedyahow do you get source for a specific version?
04:10.34fedyai could try that
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04:10.39stewfedya: apt-get source packages=version
04:10.54|Ryan52whats the best way to backup gpg and ssl and ssh keys? should I just have an encrypted flash drive?
04:11.16fedya<PROTECTED>
04:11.18nevyn|Ryan52: they should already be encrypted on disk
04:11.31nevynexcept the ssl cert/key
04:12.07stewfedya: becuase non of your deb-src lines point to repositories which offer a 4.6.19 version of libdb-dev
04:12.12|Ryan52nevyn: so just cp-ing them to a normal ext3 floppy is okay? That seems bad to me...
04:12.21stewfedya: debian has never had a '4.6.19' version of libdb-dev either
04:12.31fedyaoh great
04:12.36fedyawould >= work?
04:12.41stewfedya: no
04:12.53stewfedya: debian had a 4.6.19-1, but not a 4.6.19
04:13.23fedyaohhhh
04:13.35nevyn|Ryan52: they're more secure there than on a live disk connected to a computer connected to the internet I'd suggest
04:13.39stewfedya: "apt-cache showsrc libdb-dev | grep ^Version" would show you the currently available sources
04:13.40fedyahow do you find this ? im looking at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libdb-dev&searchon=names&suite=testing&section=all and there is no version like that
04:14.29|Ryan52nevyn: oh. cool. thanks
04:14.50stewfedya: http://packages.qa.debian.org/db4.5  would give you some of the history of the package as would http://changelogs.debian.net/db4.5
04:14.50fedyadebian:/usr/src# apt-cache showsrc libdb-dev | grep "^Version"            Version: 4.6.21-8
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04:15.01nevyn|Ryan52: assuming you're not handing this floppy/memorykey to untrusted parties then it's fine
04:15.42fedyathis libdb is a pain
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04:17.38fedyacan i just run lenny?
04:18.27stewfedya: running testing on a internet facing server is strongly recommended against
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04:18.58fedyai dont know what to do
04:18.59fedyaim stuck
04:19.13fedyai managed to backport tcl8.5 if anyone wants it
04:19.35lindenleHow can I make a repository disabled by default? ( i.e. only want one package from experimental) I think backports.org does this.
04:19.58stewfedya: you can contribute the backport to backports.org
04:20.07stewfedya: why don't you try an older version of db4.5?
04:20.17stewlindenle: man apt_preferences
04:20.18|Ryan52lindenle: apt pinning will make only one package come from there.
04:20.30philsfis there any prediction for the next point release?
04:20.37fedyait wont build with anything less than 4.6.19 it says
04:20.52philsfetch.4?
04:21.09philsfshould be close, since the last one was in feb
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04:21.55fedyacould i try installing openser directly from testing?
04:22.07fedyabinary package
04:22.11lindenleRyan52: so if i pin * to testing it will try that but I can force 1 experimental package?
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04:23.31stewfedya: it would be compiled against libs from testing, so you'd have to upgrade many core libs to testing, at which point youd be better off just running testing, which is a bad idea if this is an internet facing server
04:23.51Dewiis there a text utility I can pipe through that will render a stream safely for my terminal to display?
04:24.12nevynDewi: cat -v
04:24.26Dewinevyn: thanks
04:24.36fedyais that what's called pinning?
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04:25.00|Ryan52lindenle: read the man page or look at the wiki...I have never pinned stuff...
04:25.28stewfedya: pinning is a way to change the relative priorites of multiple available versions of a package
04:25.53Dewi!pinning
04:25.53dpkgIf you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
04:25.57|Ryan52pinning applies to aptitude too, right?
04:26.02Dewistew: well said, that should be in the factoid
04:26.04stew|Ryan52: yes
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04:26.39fedyaim trying to do this backport and it is not working
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04:26.51fedyai can build the next thing lib-db wants, but i dont even know what that is
04:27.25Dewifedya: did you install build deps?
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04:27.41|Ryan52Dewi: thats what he's working through.
04:27.48fedyaok it downloaded java common 0.30
04:29.14kingsleyWhich debian utility, if any, can undelete files from a vfat filesystem?
04:29.32mmlj4format?
04:29.53SeveredCrossmagicrescue
04:30.01SeveredCrossSeems like it might helpful.
04:30.03SeveredCross!info magicrescue
04:30.06fedyainstall build deps, what do you mean? i've been installing deps for the last few horus
04:30.15SeveredCrossfedya: apt-get build-dep package
04:30.24fedyayes im working on that
04:30.32dpkgmagicrescue: (recovers files by looking for magic bytes), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 324 kB
04:31.11fedyatrying to install all the deps for libdb-dev so i can install openser, maybe once i get this going someone can help me submit all these to backports.org i'm sure someone will find these useful someday
04:31.48|Ryan52fedya: all you gotta do is put them on debian mentors and email the backports ppl (all that info can be found by googling)
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04:32.03fedyayea i found the info
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04:34.24fedyaE: Build-Depends dependency for libdb-dev cannot be satisfied because the package default-jdk-builddep cannot be found <-- ok im back here, i have java-common installed
04:34.36fedyathis virtual package is messing things up, any way around this?
04:34.57|Ryan52fedya: so built java-common?
04:35.04|Ryan52s/so/so you/
04:35.29|Ryan52cause it might have also made a deb for the other thing.
04:36.25g0rAngAfor about 48 hours now, exactly every 10 minutes, cron runs with an error and send me an email with this single line in it: "touch: setting times of `/var/spool/cron/lastrun': Function not implemented".  I don't even know where to begin fixing this
04:36.55|Ryan52g0rAngA: well, what cron script is doing it. (look at /etc/crontab or run crontab)
04:36.59|Ryan52err, and
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04:37.23|Ryan52oh, its actually cron doing it.
04:38.05g0rAngAyeah, that's what I thought.  it seems to not be able to keep track of when it runs stuff.  touch works fine when I run it myself, though
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04:39.33fedyayea i did apt-get source default-jdk-.... whatever it was and it downloaded java-common-0.30, so i built that which installed a ton of deps as well
04:40.01fedyabut it doesnt seem to create the default-jdk-builddep virtual pkg
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04:42.00g0rAngAwait...the message is actually coming from a gentoo box that is configured send its mail on the debian server...
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04:42.41g0rAngAyep, should be easy to track down the problem now
04:42.43fedyaoh whoa wait i see more debs!!!
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04:48.41fedyahttp://pastebin.com/d28f53b0e what do you guys make of this
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04:50.03wols_fedya: dpkg -l |grep java
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04:55.30fedyai'm gonna install openser binary from lenny and see what happens
04:55.49fedyait doesnt even mention anything about upgrading libdb
04:56.01wols_!tell fedya about bobbitt
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04:56.48fedyai dont see how else it can be done, it's crazy how many java packages it wanted
04:57.09wols_I asked you something
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04:58.17fedyadebian:/usr/src# dpkg -l | grep java ii  java-common                       0.30                                     Base of all Java packages
04:58.27superfirelord42what is he trying to install?
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04:58.51fedyai removed the 4 i installed that created those virtual packages that then needed other packages
04:58.53wols_openser. and botching it
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04:59.08wols_fedya: answer my fucking question
04:59.15fedyai did
04:59.21fedya^^
04:59.33wols_and why didn't you simply try etch libdb?
04:59.45fedyait needs it to be 4.6.19 or higher
04:59.52wols_why?
04:59.53fedyaetch's libdb is 4.4
04:59.55fedyai have no idea
05:00.05|Ryan52wols_: build dep, I think
05:00.06wols_again: and why didn't you simply try etch libdb?
05:00.13wols_|Ryan52: that's no answer
05:00.25wols_how do you know it needs 4.6?
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05:01.01fedya<PROTECTED>
05:01.17wols_that is no answer fedya. have you CHECKED? have you TRIED?
05:01.22superfirelord42there appears to be a debian package for OpenSER... did they not work?
05:01.30fedya1.1 is too old
05:01.38fedyaneeds 1.3
05:01.59wols_fedya: answer me
05:02.25fedyawols_: no i have not, it just says that libdb that's available is too old when i try to build-dep on openser source pkg
05:02.26wols_just read the openser website's requirements. there is NO mention of a special libdb version needeed
05:02.43wols_fedya: then DO it
05:02.51wols_and change it
05:03.05fedyachange what?
05:03.14wols_the dependency?
05:03.24fedyawhat file controls that?
05:03.33wols_gives up
05:03.42wols_fscking sunday
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05:05.49superfirelord42wols_: would a force command work on dpkg?
05:06.18superfirelord42i phrased that badly....
05:06.35superfirelord42would a force command do what you are saying?
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05:09.16superfirelord42fedya: what do you still need for your compile?
05:09.28fedyalibdb
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05:09.37superfirelord42is this the final thing?
05:09.52fedyaill probably have to reinstall debian tomorrow after that little lenny bin experiment
05:09.54fedyait did work though
05:10.07fedyanow i have a newer libc though than supposed to be in etch
05:10.17fedyalibdb is the one that's been the pain
05:10.26fedyai'm trying to get rid of the dependency
05:10.32fedyain the control file im guessing
05:10.35superfirelord42what version does it need?
05:10.43fedya4.6.19 or higher
05:10.53fedyawhich then creates a whole bunch of new things that you need
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05:11.05|Ryan52fedya: I once ended up with etch's libc on a ubuntu dapper box and it worked okay-ish...so Ive done worse :D
05:11.17|Ryan52fedya: yes, in the control file
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05:12.16superfirelord42if he has to reinstall his debian latter, he may just want to install lenny..
05:12.36superfirelord42unless there is some major bugs still in it i am unaware of...
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05:12.50|Ryan52superfirelord42: thats not recommended for public facing servers...but then again, this isn't either :D
05:13.08superfirelord42true...
05:13.14fedyai removed the (>= 4.6.19) part from the control file
05:13.35fedyawell it will be public facing, but is testing really THAT bad if all it will be running is openser?
05:13.43fedyaand spitting out some sip packets here and there
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05:14.24reklipzI've found a bug with the apache2 package
05:14.31reklipzhow do i go about getting it fixed?
05:14.39|Ryan52reklipz: really!?!?!? what?
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05:14.52|Ryan52I am attempting to start helping maintain that...so Im curios.
05:14.55reklipzthe include directive isn't matching "+"'s in file names
05:15.34reklipzaka, at teh bottom of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
05:15.36fedyai removed the version dependency but it's still saying that the version doesnt satisfy
05:15.51|Ryan52fedya: you rebuilt it, right?
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05:15.55superfirelord42|Ryan52: if he keeps lenny very up to date as they release new updates, it wouldnt be that bad would it?
05:16.04reklipzInclude /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
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05:16.29|Ryan52superfirelord42: less priority for the security team...different security team...
05:16.43superfirelord42ah... i see....
05:16.47|Ryan52reklipz: wow...ya, file a bug. (do you know how?)
05:16.54reklipzno idea
05:16.57reklipzam trying to find out how
05:17.18|Ryan52reklipz: man reportbug
05:17.22reklipztested the bug on amd64 lenny (2.2.8) and i386 (2.2.3), both have the issue
05:17.23fedya|Ryan52: i'm doing apt-get build-dep openser
05:17.43superfirelord42that wont rebuild your deb you just modified
05:17.47superfirelord42that goes to the server again...
05:18.03|Ryan52reklipz: wow...I think your right!
05:18.29|Ryan52reklipz: check existing bugs at bugs.debian.org/src:apache2
05:18.44reklipzhow can i search?/
05:18.49|Ryan52reklipz: go there
05:18.54reklipzive been tehre
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05:19.12|Ryan52reklipz: look at the bugs...theres no fancy way that I know of.
05:19.26wols_many browsers use "ctrl+f"
05:19.52fedyaBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) <-- is this the line it pulls version dependency from? in control file?
05:19.58reklipzi see nothing about an include directive bug
05:20.11|Ryan52reklipz: nor do I
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05:20.29wols_|Ryan52: apache config files are not part of apache2
05:20.51|Ryan52wols_: they aren't?
05:20.58wols_apache2 is almost a metapackage
05:21.12reklipzapache2.2-common?
05:21.17wols_yes
05:21.20|Ryan52wols_: src:apache2
05:21.40|Ryan52wols_: include apache2.2-common
05:21.51wols_that it does
05:22.14reklipzso, now, to file a bug report?
05:22.33|Ryan52reklipz: reportbug apache2.2-common
05:22.43reklipzi'm not on a linux box
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05:23.07pythonichi! what's a simple non-interactive audio player?
05:23.07|Ryan52reklipz: you should do it on the computer. that way it will get useful information about your system.
05:23.14reklipzok
05:23.27superfirelord42pythonic: for what type of media
05:23.36superfirelord42for mp3 you can use mpg123
05:24.15pythonicidk yet.. is there not one that handles everything?
05:24.17wols_reklipz: ssh connection is enough
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05:24.38reklipzive tunnelled in
05:24.43reklipzsays reportbug as root == bad
05:24.46wols_pythonic: no program can handle "everything"
05:24.58superfirelord42pythonic: not off hte top of my head can i think of one
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05:25.06superfirelord42i think VLC may have a command only interface
05:25.14wols_DRMed WMA and AAC are not playable under Linux
05:25.15|Ryan52reklipz: right. use your normal user. (also, you need to be able to send mail from this system, I think)
05:25.31pythonichm.. there's music123
05:25.32superfirelord42vlc can play those 2 files wols_
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05:25.41wols_superfirelord42: no. DRMed
05:26.05superfirelord42i was just about to say, unless you have the drm'd ones... the non drm'd work though...
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05:26.07wols_there are strippers for the DRM yes, but they usually only work on x86. there is no program that can play then directly
05:26.15wols_< wols_> DRMed WMA and AAC
05:26.48superfirelord42music123?
05:26.59pythonicseems it's just a wrapper
05:27.00fedyawols_: i removed the dependency (i think) any idea why it would still say E: Build-Depends dependency for openser cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libdb-dev can satisfy version requirements
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05:27.12reklipzwhat kind of bug would you call this?
05:27.49|Ryan52reklipz: what do you mean?
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05:27.58|Ryan52has never used reportbug before...
05:27.58superfirelord42yeah, pythonic it looks like its just an interface to mpg123 and ogg123
05:28.11superfirelord42has not either...
05:28.39mo1991does anyone know if there is a screensaver program that will cycle through selected avi's as the screensaver?  Basically play movie clips that I can select when the screensaver activates?
05:28.42|Ryan52reklipz: wait.
05:28.50|Ryan52reklipz: dont report the bug.
05:28.59superfirelord42he just got kicked
05:29.03superfirelord42he cannot hear you...
05:29.11superfirelord42(12:28:20 AM) reklipz left the room (quit: Excess Flood).
05:29.13|Ryan52I ignore parts mostly...
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05:29.32superfirelord42i only notice when its someones name i have seen before recently...
05:29.35|Ryan52reklipz: dont rep[ort the bug
05:29.38fedyadpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -tc -us -uc <-- adding a -d to this overrides dependencies it seems
05:29.48reklipz|Ryan52: why not?
05:29.50|Ryan52reklipz: its supposed to be that way
05:29.55reklipzsays who?
05:30.02|Ryan52reklipz: before reporting a bug, read README.Debian
05:30.19|Ryan52The Include directive ignores files with names that contain a character that is neither letter nor number nor _-.
05:30.38reklipzwhere is said readme
05:30.45superfirelord42pythonic: http://nixbit.com/cat/multimedia/audio/herrie/ i think this may be what you are talking about...
05:30.50superfirelord42although i have never tried it...
05:30.53|Ryan52reklipz: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.g
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05:31.04|Ryan52reklipz: z
05:31.23|Ryan52reklipz: and, use pastebin. (so you dont get kicked off again)
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05:31.41reklipzis this a debian only thing?
05:31.50|Ryan52reklipz: compared to?
05:31.54|Ryan52oh.
05:32.32fedyawell i guess i learned a lot
05:32.36superfirelord42pythonic:  look up VLC and mplayer, even though they have GUIs they all take command line and can run without the GUIs
05:32.54reklipzcompared to whatever...
05:33.21fedyaall i have to do is override the version requirements, tomorrow ill have to reinstall and install all the deps again and then ignore the final two after installing a slightly older version and recompile again
05:33.27|Ryan52reklipz: it appears so. we have a patch called make_include_safe
05:33.39reklipzcan you link me to the patch online?
05:33.54|Ryan52no, the patch causes that to happen
05:34.05reklipzi know, i want to see teh source...
05:34.14reklipzand submit a wishlist bug request
05:34.18|Ryan52know how to use subversion?
05:34.26reklipzto add + to the damned thing, or do it myself
05:34.26reklipzyeah
05:34.27superfirelord42fedya: good luck tommorrow...
05:34.36reklipzin fact, thats why im setting up apache + svn + ssl + kerberos...
05:34.37reklipzlol
05:34.47reklipzand found said bug/annoyance
05:34.54|Ryan52svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-apache/trunk/apache2, I think
05:34.59fedyayea ill have to write a guide on this, the openser book doesnt even cover how to install it the debian way, when they recommend installing it on a debian system to begin with
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05:35.28psilocybinis there a command to make a dummy file, for example 100MB size? (exactly of that size)
05:35.41|Ryan52reklipz: ya, then its patches/008_make_include_safe
05:35.45reklipz|Ryan52: can i make the change and commit?
05:35.50|Ryan52psilocybin: dd
05:35.50psilocybinlike, cat /dev/urandom > file, but the file should be of certain size.
05:35.54psilocybinah ok thx
05:35.56|Ryan52reklipz: that public access.
05:36.00|Ryan52reklipz: so no.
05:36.09reklipzhow would i go about that then./
05:36.10fedyahttp://pastebin.com/d7ff5f4b5 <-- at last success, except my system is ruined now
05:36.11superfirelord42yeah, thats the right SVN, i just checked...
05:36.14|Ryan52reklipz: but you can make a patch and tag the bug patch and attach the patch
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05:36.19|Ryan52reklipz: though its there for a reason
05:36.24fedyai reinstalled today after trying some manual installs hehe
05:36.29reklipzyes, but + isn't bad...
05:36.43superfirelord42psycodad: a 100MB file?
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05:37.47|Ryan52reklipz: well, IDK why it was included. I guess it doesn't hurt to ask.
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05:37.57reklipzso reportbug again/
05:38.20hatterwhat are the possible consequences of turning off a usb hard drive after it has been auto-mounted ? is it only a problem if there is data being written to it ?
05:38.34|Ryan52reklipz: I would make a bug. though, you could also ask on #debian-apache on oftc, though they might not respond soon...
05:38.40fas3rit's possible in radiusd.conf or other freeradius conf file , an option for disconnect user after 2 hours , 4 hours, 1 days ???
05:39.08reklipzoftc?
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05:39.22|Ryan52reklipz: irc.oftc.net
05:39.55|Ryan52reklipz: most debian developement channels are on oftc
05:40.15fedyawell now that i have the package all built it doesnt start the service
05:40.41|Ryan52fedya: whats going wrong?
05:41.01fedyai edited /etc/default/openser
05:41.03fedyaoh i think i know
05:41.06fedyait's an openser setting
05:41.25dimirMorning!
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05:41.42superfirelord42psycodad: try dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/destination/file bs=1000 count=1000
05:41.50pythonicsuperfirelord42: thanks! :-)
05:41.58superfirelord42if i remember correctly, that gives you a 100MB file...
05:42.00superfirelord42no wait
05:42.02superfirelord42thats wrong
05:42.08superfirelord42i think that gives you 1000MB
05:42.11superfirelord42or a gig
05:42.12superfirelord42oops...
05:42.25superfirelord42psycodad: try dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/destination/file bs=1000 count=100
05:42.28superfirelord42try that...
05:42.59superfirelord42pythonic: : np
05:43.18fedyadebian:/etc/openser# /etc/init.d/openser start  Starting openser: openserListening on   it seems to start, but nothing appears for ps aux | grep openser
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05:44.19drbeanCan I ask gnome configuration questions here?
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05:45.56superfirelord42drbean: go ahead i guess, i dont see any other place on the list...
05:46.11superfirelord42as long as its on debian
05:46.35Aaron_!source.list
05:46.46Cromagsources
05:46.49drbeanIt's oldstable, ie sarge, or is it sid?
05:46.51Aaron_!sources.list
05:46.51dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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05:48.12drbeanIn gnome terminal URLs are clickable and the web browser appears. How do I change the program that is run on these double clicks. I don't want Firefox or whateve, I want lynx to be run.
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05:49.57drbeanHeh-heh. Reading up on this, it looks like it is called a launcher.
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05:50.02superfirelord42drbean: http://unixadmintalk.com/f11/gnome-terminal-mutt-100716/ has a similar issue
05:50.08superfirelord42and an explination sortof
05:50.20superfirelord42problem is it may change all links, not just your terminal ones...
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05:51.04dfletcherhi. is there any way to get the .deb cache location of a package I downloaded with `apt-get install -d foo`?
05:51.17dfletcherI mean besides `find` or just looking manually ;)
05:51.20dfletcherfor a script
05:51.41fedyaweird this thing used to launch 10 processes
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05:53.01dfletcheralternatively: is there any way to change installation roots of apt-get using some -o= option?
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05:53.40superfirelord42dfletcher: doesnt it by default store it somwhere in /var?
05:53.52superfirelord42several folders deep by package name...
05:54.02dfletchersuperfirelord42, sure I can go to /var/cache..blah and find it myself
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05:54.08dfletcherbut I want a script to find it
05:54.12dfletcherI want the real .deb file name
05:54.13superfirelord42but you want it for a script
05:54.38abusadoneed help
05:54.40abusadoCouldn't find the mysql_config script!
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05:55.57abusadowhat should i install that have mysql_config
05:57.37Pryonlibmysqlclient15-dev
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05:57.50suloHi
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05:57.56PryonOr whichever version is appropriate for your system
05:58.30suloIs there any target in make-kpkg to build all modules, regardless of what was chosen during kernel config?
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06:00.40abusadothanks Pryon
06:01.50fedyawel the service doesnt start
06:01.54fedyadoesnt say why
06:02.17superfirelord42fedya: can you run it with as verbose?
06:02.18|Ryan52fedya: check syslog, other /var/log files?
06:02.26fedyahttp://pastebin.com/d4b057965
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06:03.06superfirelord42does openser need to be started as root since it opens ports?
06:03.49|Ryan52superfirelord42: only <1024 ports, and this appears to be 5060
06:04.02fedyalog_facility=LOG_LOCAL0 , no i dont believe so i've had it running as openser/openser before
06:04.12fedyamaybe i need to create that log facility
06:04.16fedyai dont remember how to do that though
06:04.51tylerhey, im very much used to using yum on an rpm based system (centos to be exact), and now im migrating to using debian, ive used ubuntu/debian before and managed to get the hang of it (self explanitory really... apt-get/aptitude install something), but now im using it on an important server
06:05.04tylerwhats the difference between aptitude and apt-get, i thought aptitude was a front end kinda thing?
06:05.13tylerand, which should i use to install packages?
06:05.15fedyaaptitude is awesome
06:05.22fedyaeither one seems to do the trick
06:05.40fedyaaptitude is more informative if something goes wrong it seems though
06:05.47tylerso.. what is it?
06:05.51tyleris it a front end to apt-get?
06:05.51|Ryan52tyler: aptitude can be ran like apt-get
06:05.56tylerright
06:06.10fedyaand also as a front end ncurses
06:06.14superfirelord42|Ryan52: forgot about that...
06:06.18tyleri see
06:06.19fedyancurses frontend rather
06:06.25fas3ri have big problem with my hard disk
06:06.30fas3rhis dead :)
06:06.41fas3rnot really but it will go .. :)
06:06.51superfirelord42fas3r: well what is dying?
06:06.53|Ryan52tyler: and its nicer about dependancies.
06:06.58tyleri see
06:07.01tylerso ill go ahead and just .. stick to using aptitude?
06:07.09tylerall docs/manuals etc have apt-get used in them
06:07.20tylerBUT if it *wont* cause problems later i have no problem using aptitude
06:07.24fas3ri want to know if i use partition magic and i copy all partition in new disk .. the problem is just in lilo ( for the boot ) or it exist other problem ?
06:07.26|Ryan52tyler: aptitude is the one that debian officially recommends, iirc
06:07.32tylermk
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06:08.08superfirelord42fas3r: does your disk have a physical failure, or it just wont boot correctly?
06:08.14tylerfas3r: youre probably going to have to explain your issue more fluently and more indepth, but from what you said, gparted (gparted.sf.net) may be of use to you, and dont worry about your MBR (master boot record), installing a new os will patch over it
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06:08.33tylerand, just because stuff isnt working doesnt constitute your hard drive is DEAD :)
06:08.37fas3rsuperfirelord42: yes i think
06:08.47fas3rit say :
06:09.14fas3rend request : I/O ERROR , dev hda , sector 739....
06:09.23fas3rit's grave doctor :p
06:09.30tyleri wouldnt worry about that too much.
06:09.44|Ryan52fas3r: run a smart test. (if you dont have monitoring set up)
06:09.49tylerif im not mistaken you MAY be able to booot into "safe mode" etc, and have it fix itself
06:10.03dfletcheraha! `apt-cache show foo` at least gives me the filename of some package :)
06:10.12tyleri recall having a similar problem heh
06:10.29fas3ri know last time i have reboot it i did need to execute fschk or something like this
06:10.37dfletchernow if I could get the cache dir, this wouldn't need configuration :)
06:10.50|Ryan52fas3r: thats not a smart test. smartctl.
06:11.24superfirelord42|Ryan52: smart test, does that test to see if smart is failing, or if the disk is failing?
06:11.38|Ryan52superfirelord42: if smart thinks the disk is failing.
06:11.55fedya|Ryan52: its not wanting to load some modules, this is something i've fixed before
06:12.01fedyait's gonna be a long day tomorrow :0
06:12.03fas3rit's dead
06:12.06fedyathanks for all your help
06:12.16fedyaat least the first part is figured out
06:12.25fas3rit's not possible when i push key of keyboard it excit
06:12.27|Ryan52u ppls usernames look so similar! its confusing!
06:12.49fedyahere
06:12.52fedyaoops
06:12.59superfirelord42is that a boot issue or drive?
06:13.00fas3rit say they are mayne error on sector
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06:13.06tr10maybe its really the same person
06:13.12fas3rmany*
06:13.15|Ryan52fedyafedya: much better :D
06:13.16fedyafedyahere we go
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06:14.20superfirelord42fas3r: i am thinking dd-rescue may be good, but i have not had to use it before....
06:14.43superfirelord42fas3r: is this in a laptop or a desktop and is it making any sounds?
06:14.44fas3rwell
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06:15.26fas3rsuperfirelord42: it's my gateway :)
06:15.43fas3rno no sound
06:15.58|Ryan52fas3r: and you don't have raid on something that important?
06:16.34fas3r:s
06:16.38fas3rno
06:16.43fas3ri know i need to change it . :)
06:16.55fedyafedyaoh blah
06:16.55fas3ri said enf of june
06:16.59fedyafedyathis is a no go
06:17.06fedyafedyatime to go to bed for now
06:17.13fedyafedyarebuild it tomorrow and go from there
06:17.19fas3ri think i go to buy new one and test with partition magic
06:17.23fedyafedyaprobably has to do with a config file change from 1.1 to 1.3
06:17.38superfirelord42!info dd-recover
06:17.39|Ryan52fedyafedya: then you dont need to rebuild...
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06:17.56superfirelord42does not exist... thats great...
06:18.49superfirelord42fas3r: yeah, definatly get a new drive and transfer the data, before the situation gets worse...
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06:19.19fedyafedyawell i need to rebuild because i feel that i messed this install up by upgrading some of the packages to lenny with that experiment
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06:19.28superfirelord42if there is one thing i have learned about hardware failure, they can always get worse...
06:19.35fedyafedyai'll go back to stable and rebuild just openser from lenny source tree
06:19.49|Ryan52fedyafedya: ah.
06:19.51fedyafedyaand then start messing with getting it to actually run
06:20.13fedyafedyai can see that it's trying to start up but it wont load the modules or something of that nature
06:20.53fedyafedyathanks a lot ryan, appreciate all the help, and superfire!
06:21.18superfirelord42im off for the night..... good luck fedyafedya...
06:21.37|Ryan52as am I....good luck!
06:21.45fedyafedyasame, night!
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06:24.22fas3ri don't know if partition magic copy data brut or it read sector .. ?
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06:30.26LtLfas3r: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
06:30.52fas3rLtL: i know gparted it's like ghost but free :)
06:31.40Cromag!gparted
06:31.40dpkgsomebody said gparted was the GNOME partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools.  Install "ntfsprogs" to enable NTFS support and "dosfstools" for FAT16/32 support. consider a <debian-live> image + installing gparted (after boot) as an alternative to the gparted live cd
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06:40.09Dewifas3r: gddrescue is great, btw
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06:40.41Dewifas3r: it scans gently and skips problem areas, then goes back to work away at them once everything else is recovered
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06:41.38Dewifas3r: it also journals its progress to a file allowing for resume even when I/O problems cause linux to reboot (as sometimes happens)
06:42.15Dewifas3r: I find myself routinely popping in a debian or ubuntu live CD and aptitude install gddrescue
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06:43.22Dewi(unlike those others gddrescue doesn't know anything about partition tables; so I tend to fdisk manually to set up structures for the destination)
06:43.57canhuaI am using GNU Screen. termcap/info commands in .screenrc have no effect after I restart screen, why?
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06:44.30|Ryan52canhua: by restart screen, you mean start a new screen? (cause just resuming one wont affect anything)
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06:46.06canhuaRyan52: yes
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06:50.48canhuaRyan52: "exit"screen and start a total new screen
06:50.56fas3rDewi: oki thank
06:50.59|Ryan52yes.
06:51.04Aaron_excused me how do you installed windows fonts?
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06:51.25markybobAaron_, in what?
06:51.38Aaron_markybob, win fonts so i can installed it
06:51.48markybobin what?  gnome?  kde?
06:52.32Aaron_gnome markybob
06:52.34nevynAaron_: apt-get install freefonts
06:52.35markybobopen nautilus to fonts:///  and copy the font files in there
06:52.51markybobif i understood you correctly :P
06:52.56nevynis defoma dead?
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06:53.20Aaron_nevyn, couldn't find package
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06:53.38markybobAaron_, so you dont already have the fonts from a windows box?
06:53.50Aaron_nope markybob
06:54.18markybobin that case you probably want apt-get install msttcorefonts   (you need non-free in yours sources.list)
06:54.21Aaron_my fonts are so freaking small
06:54.38nevynmsttcorefonts is the package.
06:55.36Aaron_thnx
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07:02.59philsfhey, did fedya manage to backport... whatever he was trying?
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07:03.57fairwayhi all to autologin i need mindgetty?
07:04.00fairwayin console?
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07:04.35|Ryan52philsf: sort of...he had configurations problems.
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07:05.31|Ryan52philsf: he's guessing that they were due to a different version rather than something wrong with the backport. but it involved something about modules...which kind of scares me.
07:05.39vindexhi, any idea on how to solve the current gnome dependency breakage?
07:05.47|Ryan52vindex: in?
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07:06.11|Ryan52vindex: what debian version. what are your exact errors from apt (or whatver) (please use pastebin)
07:07.11vindexin unstable
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07:07.23|Ryan52vindex: and whats happening?
07:07.31vindexgnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.20.2.4) but it is not going to be installed
07:07.43|Ryan52vindex: try to install it. see what it says.
07:07.56|Ryan52and tell me what it said. (pastebin if its big)
07:08.34vindexDepends: fast-user-switch-applet (>= 2.18.0) but it is not going to be installed
07:08.44vindexDepends: gnome-system-tools (>= 2.20.0) but it is not going to be installed
07:08.44|Ryan52oh, I got the error...1 minute
07:09.19vindexoki
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07:10.44stewvindex: don't use the big meta-packages, or don't use unstable
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07:11.00|Ryan52vindex: using aptitude fixes it for me.
07:11.09vindexoh?
07:11.32vindexhow do you do it?
07:11.39|Ryan52replace apt-get with aptitude
07:12.10vindexcool, thanks!
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07:23.57DawnLightVirtualBox, in a guest's network settings, is asking me for a "Setup Application" and a "Terminate Application" when i choose the guest's interface to be a "Host interface". Reading the documentation, this is supposed to be a TAP interface in linux. what are these "Setup/Terminate Application" things?
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07:26.39applemilkhi i'm using xubuntu dapper and i wanna know if there's a way to install debian without a flash drive or cd or anythikng.. off a petition or what i dunno
07:26.49applemilki'm using an imac g3 so i'll need the ppc one
07:27.04Tr0gdorapplemilk im trying to do the same thing
07:27.08Tr0gdoralthough on x86
07:27.13applemilkah
07:27.16Tr0gdorbut still havent find a way
07:27.24applemilk:(
07:27.35Tr0gdortried the usb flash drive tutorial
07:27.43Tr0gdoronly doing everything to my drive
07:27.46Tr0gdorbut it didnt work
07:28.18applemilkwindows users have wubi for ubuntu
07:28.23Guerin!rube goldberg install
07:28.23dpkg"Hi!  I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card.  I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
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07:28.45applemilk.....
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07:29.04Guerinwell, honestly
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07:29.32slxixgood afternoon
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07:35.46enveeze1where can I find the equiv of the /msg dpkg dstats etch, for obsolete distros?
07:35.48fairwaynone of mingetty's autologin worked
07:35.50fairwayfor text mode
07:35.52fairwayin console
07:36.40fairwaywhat are linux equivalents to windows ce?
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07:37.37SeveredCrossuclibc and a stripped down kernel?
07:37.42SeveredCrossNo idea TBH.
07:37.54SeveredCrossMaybe Mobile Ubuntu once it gets off the ground.
07:38.40vltHello. On one machine I'm currently not able to update ssl. When replacing its SSH host key by an externally generated clean one, is a connection still unsafe when using the unfixed sshd (or does it affect the generated keys only)?
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07:39.45nevynvlt: It may be safe but I wouldn't be supprised if session keys use the prng during generation
07:39.53nevynwhich would make it very not safe.
07:40.34QuestionatorNEW QUESTION: i got problems updating my etch notebook using apt-get update. was offline few weeks. now it tells me that it cannot download or unpack several update files from debian.org servers. the would not be bzip2 format.
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07:42.23vltnevyn: Hmmmm, that exactly was my actual question ;-)
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07:43.45nevynvlt: yeah I figgured my brain caught up with my fingers after safe..
07:45.06nevynvlt: what's the problem with updating openssl?
07:45.06streunerQuestionator: show us the whole error and your sources.list in paste.debian.net , please.
07:45.06QuestionatorAre there some "new" technical changes happening the last weeks within the debian etch update stuff ?
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07:45.20streunerQuestionator: etch/stable tends to update its packages if security patches needed...
07:45.20zniffmy ethernet doesn't load with linux
07:45.32zniffi went through /var/log/messages, and i can't see any errors
07:45.34nevynQuestionator: I think there were new keys  for the archive because of dsa1571
07:45.38zniffits as if it just doesn't even try
07:45.53psilocybinif setgid bit is set for a directory, files created under it have the group of the directory.
07:46.07streunerzniff: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
07:46.11psilocybinbut if i go to /tmp for example, and do $ touch file
07:46.11Questionatorstreuner: logs coming up soon.... on my way....
07:46.23psilocybinthen the file has group user
07:46.25psilocybinlike
07:46.28psilocybinuser:user
07:46.35psilocybini want it to be on default, users
07:46.54zniffstreuner 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
07:47.09streunerzniff: well, did the kernel see your NIC at all?
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07:48.44streunerzniff: lspci -v | grep -i eth
07:49.29Questionatordamn! what was the redirection operators again to redirect stderr to stdout ??
07:49.30streunerzniff: do you see any output via "dmesg | grep -i eth" ?
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07:49.47zniffstreuner yeah
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07:50.00Questionatorthanks
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07:50.11streunerzniff: show us the first 2 lines
07:50.20zniffstreuner it seems like its when i manually did ifup
07:50.21zniffok
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07:50.33zniffsky2 eth0: enabling interface
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07:51.07streunerzniff: hm, and what's the output of lspci ?
07:51.15znifflspci says "unknown device 4364"
07:51.32streuneruse kmuto's hcl then
07:51.33zniff04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 4364 (rev 14)
07:51.36streuner!hcl
07:51.36dpkghcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
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07:52.03zniffwhats HCL?
07:52.04cvnhi, is there a way i can chown a directory and all other directories under it?
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07:52.31fireba11cvn : either -r or -R ... i'm always mixing it up :-)
07:52.34streunerlook for option -r
07:52.45streuneror -R :-)
07:52.54streunerme too :-)
07:52.55cvnahhh! so both?
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07:53.05fireba11streuner: commands are a bit inconsistent at that point
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07:53.11streunercvn: man chown and look for both... ;-)
07:53.16cvnok
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07:53.32zniffstreuner: whats that HCL and what will it do? the interface does load when i manually do it
07:53.34fireba11cvn no, there are commands that require -r and those that need -R ... it's ahrd to remember what command uses what option
07:55.06cvn-R, --recursive
07:55.07cvnchange files and directories recursively
07:55.08streunerzniff: /msg dpkg interfaces
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07:57.15QuestionatorPROBLEM WITH APT-GET UPDATE >>> see http://paste.debian.net/5296/
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07:58.05zniffstreuner i did configure the interfaces file:s
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07:59.29zniffoh ok
07:59.33zniffi didn't have an auto eth0
07:59.34zniff:
07:59.35zniff:p
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07:59.56fireba11Questionator : your bzip2 corrupted ?
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08:01.01Questionatorfireba11 - how can i test it ? it seems its still there. i can call it like bzip2 -h
08:01.06cvnfireba11, done with it. the directories UID changed to the one i wanted. however how do i change the GID ?
08:01.21streunerQuestionator: just reinstall bzip2
08:01.32cvni typed chown -hR cvn /directory
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08:02.11slxixman chown
08:02.29zniffstreuner thank
08:02.30zniffstreuner thanks
08:03.12ne2k__ahoy
08:03.44Questionatorstreuner: removing bzip2 by apt-get remove --purge bzip2
08:04.11sChaaahola
08:04.24streunerQuestionator: make sure that package isn't in cache and run "apt-get install --reinstall bzip2"
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08:05.17Questionatorstreuner how to clean cache from bzip2 package ?
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08:06.02Questionatorstreuner: i did a apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean
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08:06.10streunerQuestionator: ok
08:07.20Questionatorstreuner: trying apt-get install --reinstall bzip2  --- it looks good. downloads it
08:08.00Questionatorstreuner: a new apt-get update does not show any changes. still those strange errors
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08:08.27streunerQuestionator: show us again what you get with "apt-get update" in paste.debian.net
08:10.54Questionatorstreuner: see console output at http://paste.debian.net/5297/
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08:12.48streunerQuestionator: just use ftp.de.debian.org instead of ftp.debian.org and tell what happens then
08:13.24Questionatori used http.de.debian.org earlier...just the same
08:13.28Questionatorbut ill try it
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08:17.38Questionatorstreuner: pretty much the same.. see /5299/
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08:19.42Questionatorstreuner: i just tried to wget one of those files manualy.. been ok!
08:19.43THUNDERBOLT...sometimes can't write on usb drive
08:20.08THUNDERBOLT...says read only fiel
08:20.11THUNDERBOLT...says read only file
08:20.20THUNDERBOLThow can i do?
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08:20.44streunerQuestionator: and now apt-get update works?
08:21.30streunerQuestionator: anyway, i'll talk to securty team about...
08:21.49streuners/securty/security/
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08:22.15streunerQuestionator: just wait a few hours till its fixed
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08:22.25anddamhello
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08:22.58Questionatori tried to wget "Packages.bz2" manualy... i got it. but i since this is not a deb-package i dont know what to do with it :))
08:23.22anddamcan I bind X11 to only specific interfaces?
08:23.25Questionatorindeed its a file from security.debian.org
08:24.28THUNDERBOLT...if usb drive is read only file....what shall we do?
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08:25.05THUNDERBOLTanddam:...if usb drive is read only file....what shall we do?
08:25.22THUNDERBOLT...i can't write anything
08:25.43THUNDERBOLTcan you solve it >>>streuner
08:26.25Questionatorstreuner: i found a hot trace. indeed the downloaded files ARE NOT BZIP2 ! its a html page of one of our proxy servers reporting about some restricted url
08:26.41Questionatorstreuner: will need to check our proxy servers why they mess with me...
08:27.26streunerQuestionator: did you configure apt-get in order to use a proxy?
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08:28.10pluesch0rmorning!
08:28.23streunerit connected directly to ftp-server, IIRC
08:28.32anddamTHUNDERBOLT: if usb drive is read only write somewhere else
08:28.59petemcusefu;
08:29.22Questionatorstreuner: no since its a transparent proxy there is no need to configure it for using a proxy.
08:29.23pluesch0rwhen using xen-create-image to create a new debian xen image, is there a way to set a list of packages that should be installed, no matter what?
08:29.23pluesch0rlike vim, less, host, ..
08:29.44anddamI'd like to close these services on eth1 http://codepad.org/IFH4eAT7
08:29.56anddambut I'm not able to figure out vnc/X11
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08:32.11Questionatorstreuner: problem solved! the proxy intercepted my download requests to debian from that host. proxy thought it would be some "dangerous"/not allowed website/download server. the proxy (transparent) replaced my download with an html error page so unpacking using bzip2 failed.
08:32.50Questionatorstreuner: whitelisting my computer solved the problem
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08:32.57THUNDERBOLT..but i wanted to write in usb drive.....anddam
08:33.09streunerQuestionator: hm, ok.
08:33.14petemcTHUNDERBOLT: how did you mount it
08:33.18anddamTHUNDERBOLT: do you know why it is readonly?
08:33.34anddamI mean it could be a hw write lock on a usb pen
08:33.46anddamthere's a small switch usually
08:33.48THUNDERBOLTsometimes it can be okay but sometimes it won't
08:34.02THUNDERBOLT..tell me ...anddam
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08:34.06anddamah unpredictable errors are the funniest
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08:34.17MikeSethhey guys
08:34.50slxixhi
08:34.55MikeSethI want to compile a package from source with some Debian patches suspended, anyone can think of a Fine Manual off the top of their head on how to do that right?
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08:35.28MikeSethI'm not sure where patches are enumerated in debian/
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08:36.09anddamTHUNDERBOLT: what kind of device is it?
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08:36.32tengulrewhy not sum[4]=`expr ${sum[4]} + 1`
08:37.01slxixMikeSeth: i just go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and download the source packages.
08:37.36MikeSethslxix: I've got the source package, but I need to remove some of the debian patches and put in some of my own, and I'd love to do that correctly from dpkg-buildpackage's perspective
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08:38.14wols_MikeSeth: there is no standard. different packages use different patchtools
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08:39.02MikeSethwols_: understood.
08:39.03MikeSeththanks
08:39.06THUNDERBOLTanddam: my pen drive is mounted in debian but when i try to delete a file......error says....Cannot move "/media/usbd.../New Folder" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
08:39.10MikeSethhackin' time
08:39.13MikeSethfires up emacs
08:39.18tinouhello, what package do I need to install to get ft2build.h ? I tried freetype[01]-dev with no luck
08:39.25wols_!tell THUNDERBOLT about vfatrw
08:39.40wols_!tell tinou about search
08:40.09PythonNi1japokes MikeSeth with vim </flamebait>
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08:40.20THUNDERBOLTmounted on /dev/sdb1
08:40.23tinouwols_: thx :)
08:40.52THUNDERBOLT..how to configure it....anddam
08:40.58MikeSethtinou: maybe its freetype2-dev?
08:41.01wols_THUNDERBOLT: dpkg just told you
08:41.06alcoholSilly question, is there a way to write this easier? (crontab) -- 4,9,14,19,24,29,34,39,44,49,54,59 * * * *
08:41.15themillTHUNDERBOLT: how do you mount it?
08:41.25alcoholBasically i want it to run every minutes, but not ON every exact 5 minutes (1 minute earlier)
08:41.31alcoholevery five minutes*
08:41.32tinouMikeSeth: I don't have it my repos
08:41.45wols_alcohol: don't quote me but I think 4/5 or such. read manpages
08:41.54wols_tinou: what debian branch?
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08:42.52anddamTHUNDERBOLT: not sure, how is it mounted atm? check /etc/mtab
08:42.56alcoholmanpages isnt installed.. :<
08:42.57MikeSethtinou: libfreetype6-dev maybe?
08:42.58tinouuh, good question... it's from a recent net install
08:43.13wols_tinou: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
08:43.16themillalcohol: /msg dpkg cron tutorial
08:43.35anddamanyone on my port problem? I'd like to close a few services on a specific interface, this means binding to other but I'm not able to figure out how for vnc/x11 http://codepad.org/IFH4eAT7
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08:43.57wols_alcohol: manpages are always installed. they install with cron itself for cron
08:44.53wols_anddam: do not use nmap for this
08:44.53anddamwols_: why?
08:44.53alcoholbut the command man nor manpages are known
08:44.53tinouwols_: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
08:44.53themillalcohol: man 5 crontab
08:44.53anddamwols_: or better, how should I check for open ports?
08:45.10wols_anddam: netstat   man netstat
08:45.18anddamwols_: netstat -l
08:45.23wols_nmap is useless on localhost and very error prone
08:45.28anddambut it wasn't showing sshd
08:45.37wols_because you did it wrong
08:45.49anddamwols_: I'm using it from another computer in lan tho', not localhost
08:45.57alcohol# man 5 crontab
08:45.57alcohol-bash: man: command not found
08:45.59anddamwols_: what's wrong with netstat -l -4 ?
08:46.06wols_if you use iptables you have root on that box
08:46.28wols_alcohol: you explicitly uninstalled it then
08:46.40alcoholwell not my machine
08:46.41tinouMikeSeth: thx, it was libfreetype6-dev
08:46.47alcoholI just have root access, need to setup a cron
08:46.54wols_alcohol: debian installers install it
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08:47.13themillalcohol: install the man-db package. Just what version of debian are you using?
08:47.16alcoholI'm not going to install something the owner uninstall :<
08:47.21alcoholuninstalled*
08:47.34themillalcohol: then google man crontab ffs
08:47.36jellyalcohol: you're not going to read manuals on that machine, then
08:47.37alcoholI did
08:47.52alcoholI read the newbie guide dpkg gave me
08:48.02castgotta install debian on 16 computers, FAI would be the recommended way correct?
08:48.08alcoholNot sure I get it though
08:48.12wols_or preseed
08:48.22castis there a factoid for that
08:48.24themillalcohol: or zless /usr/share/man/man5/crontab.5.gz
08:48.35wols_cast: or simply make an inmage and dd it over
08:48.40alcoholA value of */2 in the dom field would mean the command runs every two days --- does that mean 4/5 will run every minutes starting at 4 past the hour? (when put under minute?)
08:48.56wols_alcohol: I already told you
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08:49.05alcoholno, you said you thought it might
08:49.08casthmm. maybe ill setup dhcp networking and dd it
08:49.13alcoholyou didn't say you were sure
08:49.28wols_but the docs confirm it. reading comprehension not so good?
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08:49.40MikeSethalcohol: IIRC */x is the only valid syntax
08:49.44MikeSethalcohol: at least in vixie cron
08:49.58MikeSethalcohol: man 5 crontab
08:49.59jellyalcohol: empirical evidence is the best; don't trust people on irc (and don't trust documentation either ;-)
08:50.02alcoholbut */4 would run it every 4 minutes right?
08:50.06MikeSethalcohol: correct
08:50.16jellyalcohol: 4-59/5
08:50.23MikeSethjelly: oh that works too?
08:50.24MikeSethnice
08:50.25alcoholMikeSeth: we just established that the owner of my machine uninstalled man. I wont reinstall it :x
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08:50.39MikeSethalcohol: shoot the owner of your machine in the face
08:50.47alcoholI know ):
08:50.51zniffhey MikeSeth
08:50.59bbinottohow can i remove recursivly files and folders including hidden files?
08:51.01MikeSethzniff: halo
08:51.17petemcbbinotto: rm
08:51.21MikeSethalcohol: oh, * is just an alias for first-last according to the manual
08:51.38MikeSethalcohol: by the way most manpages are available online
08:51.40alcoholfirst last being?
08:51.43alcoholyea I found it through google
08:51.48bbinottopetemc: rm /folder/* -r does not remove files starting with a "."
08:51.59alcoholnot sure what first last means though
08:52.08petemcbbinotto: rm -r folder/ will remove folder and anything within in
08:52.18jellyalcohol: the EXTENSIONS section of the manual is telling.
08:52.21MikeSethalcohol: from first to last minute of the hour/hour of the day/day of the month etc
08:52.56bbinottopetemc: thank you!
08:53.01alcoholRanges can include "steps", so "1-9/2" is the same as "1,3,5,7,9".
08:53.06alcoholthat's what I need I guess :>
08:53.26alcoholjelly: so your answer would be the right one ^^
08:53.39jellydoing RTFM before asking people is usually suggested
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08:55.08themill!tell alcohol about docs
08:55.33jelly!test
08:55.34dpkgTest Failed.
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08:55.48jellydpkg: why do you ignore my /msgs?
08:55.49dpkgjelly: are you using Windows?
08:55.55themillheh
08:56.02jellydpkg: yes
08:56.02dpkgreally??? wohoo!
08:56.20themill!botspank
08:56.20dpkgoi, stop that
08:56.24jelly!botsnack
08:56.25dpkg:), jelly
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08:57.20themilljelly: what did you /msg? is it all msgs or just some? there are a selection of factoids that dpkg claims not to know atm. :(
08:57.27jellyoh, maybe I'm not registered to services
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09:02.03anddamwols_: from what I read I should be using   netstat -4 -l -ip  any further advice?
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09:02.17anddamor -a to see both active and listening
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09:05.37wols_anddam: you should be root mainly
09:05.55anddamwols_: I am
09:06.00wols_everything else is comparatively uninmportant
09:06.08wols_netstat -anp |grep LIST
09:06.20djrwhere do I set the default limitation for open files for a user? The user has 1024, and Id rather not change the value upon every login. limits.conf is empty
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09:06.43anddambut this is just to inspect ports, the point is I can't figure how close those vnx/X11, their man pages aren't of help
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09:08.00anddamwols_: I edited inetd.conf for first 5 ports in my paste
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09:10.26DawnLightin a guest's network settings, is asking me for a "Setup Application" and a "Terminate Application" when i choose the guest's interface to be a "Host interface". Reading the documentation, this is supposed to be a TAP interface in linux. what are these "Setup/Terminate Application" things?
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09:11.33anddamwols_: maybe it's just an iptables task, isn't it?
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09:12.08jellyDawnLight: you can choose to create and remove tap devices only when they're needed
09:12.33DawnLightjelly: what do you mean?
09:13.06jellyDawnLight: if you pre-create your tap device, no additional setup or tear-down application is needed
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09:13.31DawnLightjelly: this is something that i need to create myself?
09:13.37jellyDawnLight: usually not
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09:14.12solarshey, does anyone know an imageviewer with vim keybindings?
09:14.16jellyDawnLight: I don't know about virtualbox-ose; the nonfree build creates the vbox0,... tap devices from an init script
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09:14.32DawnLightjelly: thought so but vbox is giving me VBox status code: -3100 (VERR_HOSTIF_INIT_FAILED) when i try to start the guest
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09:15.11jellyDawnLight: have you followed their instructions to set up the network?
09:15.20DawnLightjelly: what instructions?
09:15.32jellythat answers the question. ;-)
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09:16.19jellyDawnLight: TFM, 6.7. Host Interface Networking and bridging on Linux hosts
09:16.46jellyDawnLight: #vbox will probably point you in the general right direction
09:17.39Tr0gdorwhen a cd is inserted, does debian auto mount as /cdrom?
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09:18.12jellyDawnLight: to use host networking you have to mess with your existing network setup
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09:19.05jellyDawnLight: if you're not prepared to dirty your hands with /etc/network/interfaces and bridge configuration, stay away from it
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09:25.38DewiTr0gdor: don't think so
09:25.48DewiTr0gdor: but the desktop environments might
09:26.07DewiTr0gdor: I think there's also a daemon to do it without desktop environment, but can't remember the name
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09:26.45Dewicmeme: you have serious issues, little robot
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09:27.22somebeeI get checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no when trying to run configure for irssi.. how can I install glib on debian with apt-get?
09:27.25wols_!tell Dewi about automount
09:27.33somebeeI have installed libglib2.0-0
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09:27.43simonrvnsomebee: you need -dev packages ...
09:27.44wols_somebee: you need the dev package
09:28.07wols_!tell somebee about ssb
09:28.15wols_do a backport, don't compile from source somebee
09:28.18Dewi!tell Tr0gdor about automount
09:28.34somebeewols_: I need to configure it with_proxy
09:28.41simonrvnirssi is at bpo IIRC
09:28.57simonrvnit already is i think
09:30.30wols_somebee: that doesn't change it. do not compile it from source. do a backport
09:30.54somebeewols_: why?
09:31.07wols_cause you have a package management. use it
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09:31.32wols_instead of littering files all over the disk
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09:32.10applemilkI'm switching over to Debian. Macs with ppc are good for linux but Ubuntu doesn't support ppc officially anymore and I've had way too many problems with it
09:32.20applemilkwill debian run fine on an imac g3?
09:32.31wols_!tell applemilk about ppc
09:32.40applemilk?
09:32.49applemilkohh
09:32.49somebeewols_: I am using it, but I really hate it. I've got a major problem on my server now.. apt-get installed something that puts its bin-files in a special path. BUT, with debian you cannot change the PATH used by sudo :/ That is what people here have been telling me atleast
09:33.13simonrvnapplemilk: yes it will.
09:33.14wols_what "bin files"?
09:33.37applemilk<PROTECTED>
09:33.42applemilk;_; i am running it, that bot
09:33.47applemilki'll check out that link
09:33.54somebeewols_: apps that need to be available directly on the cli
09:34.00somebeerubygems
09:34.09somebeelike rake, sake, etc
09:34.20wols_swhat package?
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09:35.15wols_rubygems puts binaries into /usr/bin as it should but there is no rake or sake there
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09:36.02somebeewell, my rubygems puts binaries into /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin
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09:36.15simonrvn...built from source
09:36.17somebeeand I installed _everything_ from apt-get
09:36.21applemilkthank you, simonrvn
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09:36.53simonrvnno debian package puts *binaries* in /var
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09:40.07anddamthis is what's seen through eth1 http://codepad.org/6dema9by
09:40.27anddamis it up to iptables?
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09:45.40Tr0gdorwhy did the debian installer install 486 kernel
09:45.44Tr0gdormy machine is 686
09:45.57Superbarttso install a 686 one ? 8)7
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09:46.07Tr0gdorwell shouldnt it auto install 686?
09:46.44Superbartti'm not sure if the installer auto detects the architecture or if it just installs something safe that should work on 90% of the systems
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09:47.21remoteCTRLhi all! what commands are there to inspect/open .deb packages?
09:47.30Superbarttbut well, just install a 686 kernel and keep the 486 as a safe backup
09:47.35remoteCTRLspeaking of unpacking, changing and repacking again?
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09:47.55Superbarttcheck dpkg-deb --help
09:48.09Superbartt-e|--control <deb> [<directory>] Extract control info.
09:48.09Superbartt-x|--extract <deb> <directory> Extract files.
09:48.09Superbartt-X|--vextract <deb> <directory> Extract & list files.
09:48.25remoteCTRLSuperbartt: ah, very nice, thanks!
09:48.33Superbarttno problem
09:50.54Scurzhi
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09:57.01Scurzhere's the problem http://pastebin.com/m60e5fba6 ; what to do ? because rndc-confgen -a -k rndckey doesn't work.
09:57.55SuperbarttScurz I don't know this specifick problem, but could you check if you can start manually and in verbose mode or something?
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09:59.42wols_Tr0gdor: it does install 486 first since that will always work. in the course of the instalaltion it will automatically install 686 if appropriate but if you don't use tasksel and such it won't IIRC
09:59.42ScurzSuperbartt: with a sh -v /etc/init.d/bind9 reload ?
10:00.12Superbarttno, all files in /etc/init.d are startup scripts to regulate how a process gets spanwed, just start the bind deamon yourself
10:00.15Superbarttwait let me check the command ^^
10:00.26Scurz:D
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10:01.50Superbarttnamed -d X -f -u nobody
10:01.55Superbarttwhere X is the debugging level, the higher the more info
10:02.25Scurzokep
10:02.31Scurz"named: debug level 'X' must be numeric"
10:02.52Superbarttso fill in a number ;)
10:03.11Scurzoh, okay,
10:03.16Scurz:)
10:03.21anddamis font-server useful for other computers? can I turn off tcp transport safely?
10:03.28ScurzSuperbartt: I get no message
10:03.36anddamI've X running on debian and from time to time I'll export a X session to OS X
10:03.52SuperbarttScurz it just starts normally without warnings or something?
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10:04.09ScurzSuperbartt: yes, normally, without warning
10:04.27Superbarttand can you use rndc commands from an other shell?
10:05.09Scurzyep
10:06.04Superbarttthan i don't really see why it's not working Oo
10:06.22Scurzbecause the rndc key
10:07.23tarzeauis http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ DFSG compliant?
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10:09.41bjwebbhi
10:09.55bjwebbim using aptitude and want to find installed packages from a certain section
10:10.09bjwebbbut aptitude ~i ~ssection seems to be either or
10:10.15bjwebbhow do i make it do and?
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10:12.43bjwebbah, get rid of the space
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10:16.03jellyhi, is there an etch installer image with etch+.5 kernels available somewhere?
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10:20.35badcfehello.  i have a directory with content i extracted from a boot cd.  now i added some files there.  how do i now write this into a new cd so that it is bootable?
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10:21.02badcfeit contains cdrom.inf ... is that enough or must i have some of these "torito" or other options?
10:21.07themilljelly: yes. /msg dpkg etchnhalf
10:21.22themilljelly: erm... at least, I think the answer is yet
10:21.25themill*yes
10:21.26jellythemill: points me to lenny d-i
10:21.54themilljelly: the etchnhalf installer is lenny's d-i but set to install etch instead
10:22.23jellythemill: "set to"?  It says I have to set it manually
10:23.19jellythemill: I know all that, btw; hence my question.
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10:24.10themilljelly: erm... nfc then. The etchnhalf installer when it is finally released will be lenny b2 d-i configured to install etchnhalf. I'm not sure what the present state of affairs is though. There wiki page has everything I know about etchnhalf on it....
10:24.38jellythemill: yeah, I guess it'll appear there when it's available
10:25.20themilljelly: indeed. Etchnhalf is going to be etchnthreequarters at this rate.... it seems to be taking longer than everyone expected to get it together.
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10:27.18wols_themill: why are you surprised?
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10:27.55themillwols_: surprised? no. I said expected :)
10:27.58paukahttp://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com http://meerland.myminicity.com
10:28.05jellyehm.
10:28.08themill!ops pauka needs kicking
10:28.09dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: pauka needs kicking
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10:28.22themillthanks, Tomas
10:28.24wols_a kline would be better
10:28.29themillerm tomaw
10:28.30wols_RichiH: you alive?
10:28.43streunertomaw is staff...
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10:28.51jellywho's ): ?
10:29.03tomawwols_: fixed, thanks :)
10:29.09streunerso no need to call for a kline anymore...
10:30.03jellythere ought to get sent to some address like abuse@myminicity.com automagically
10:30.06jellythese*
10:30.35wols_as if such trick browsergame assholes cared
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10:31.10themillheh, we've got Maulkin on that ops list twice...
10:31.12wols_I once reported them to them, they also had big "we don't condone abuse and spam by our users on foreign sites" speech. didn't help one fuck
10:31.19fireba11wols_: i never understood what people found interesting about those things anyway
10:31.25wols_maulkin is important :)
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10:31.57wols_it's a competitive game, that's all that's needed
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10:32.22wols_and the company behind it reeks in cheap adsense clicks
10:32.54MaulkinRar. O#, yjrtr yeove"
10:32.54jellyno surprise there
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10:33.07MaulkinErm... transposed one key -> way
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10:33.15themillheh
10:33.31wols_nice transposition cipher :)
10:33.53themillMaulkin: on what kb layout?
10:34.15jellyyeah, wtf is twiqw? :-)
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10:39.52zniffhe
10:39.54zniffhey
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10:39.56zniffi see Jun  5 13:32:45 blue kernel: usb 4-2: new full speed USB device using address 11
10:39.56zniffJun  5 13:32:46 blue kernel: usb 4-2: new full speed USB device using address 12
10:40.02zniffbut i can't find that drive :x
10:40.23Tomashave you tried turning it off and on again?
10:40.24Tomas;)
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10:40.57Eulexzniff, does it get any device assigned to it?
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10:41.25thidhello
10:41.33zniffEulex: how do i check?
10:41.38znifffdisk -l?
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10:42.07thidcould anyone check if this is correct -> http://dpaste.com/54925/ (iptables)
10:42.09DawnLightwhy does my aptitude want to upgrade various packages to their bpo versions?
10:42.32Eulexzniff, that would do it, but the log you were looking at above should also state it
10:43.18zniffEulex: so no fdisk -l shows nothing and the logs aswell
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10:43.43DawnLightcan anyone tell me please? this never happened before
10:43.54Eulexzniff, what kernel are you running?
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10:44.13zniff2.6.8-3-686-smp
10:44.20zniffi get these errors
10:44.20zniffhttp://rafb.net/p/FyADy898.html
10:44.47pluesch0ri'm planning to use iscsi in my server setup .. is it possible to mount a filesystem when it's not distributed via iscsi?
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10:45.05Eulexzniff, are you sure the drive does universal mass storage? in any case, you should try a newer kernel. or are you still on sarge?
10:45.08tylerim not used to using apt-get/aptitude, im used to yum ... i guess its normal to 'aptitude update', say daily or every couple days?
10:45.12pluesch0ri'd like to use a lv to host the iscsi, so ideally i'd snapshot it and back it up that way.
10:45.13tylerer
10:45.17tyleraptitude upgrade*
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10:45.41tylerin addition to 'update' before so
10:45.46Eulexyeah.
10:45.50tylerk
10:46.26tylererm, whats the latest kernel in the repos?
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10:46.47Eulextyler, if you're on stable, suscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list, and you'll get notifications when something is updated
10:46.54zniffEulex: newer Kernel? im on lenny. and yes it works on windows (though it won't load with fat, only NTFS)
10:46.58tyleralrighty
10:47.04tylerdo you know what it is now by chance?
10:47.08tyler2.6.18-6-686? o_o
10:47.13tylerseems old for some reason, heh
10:47.22Eulexzniff, lenny has 2.6.18 by default, 2.6.8 is from sarge
10:47.28tyler(then again its stable)
10:47.37zniffroot@blue:/etc/bind# cat /etc/issue
10:47.38zniffDebian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l
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10:47.49Eulexzniff, uname -ar
10:48.04Eulexumh wait, sorry
10:48.10Eulexlenny has 2.6.24
10:48.28Eulextyler, 2.6.18 is the default in stable. lenny has 2.6.24, and unstable has 2.6.25
10:48.33tylerk
10:48.39tyleryeah, i have stable (etch)
10:48.41tyler4.0
10:49.03Eulexif you want a newer kernel, consider trying out the etchnhalf one
10:49.12Eulex!etchnhalf
10:49.12dpkgi heard etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
10:49.17tyleralright
10:49.20tylerthanks :)
10:49.23themilltyler: what's wrong with 2.6.18? that's the default kernel for etch. Also look at cron-apt
10:49.29tylernothing at all :)
10:49.37tylerjust wondering what was latest
10:49.49tyleri obviously ran upgrade, and there were no updates, so i figured i was latest
10:49.53tylerbut was just making sure
10:49.59tyler(as im not used to using apt-get/aptitude)
10:50.01Eulexyeah, it's the latest in etch
10:50.08tylerawesome
10:50.30tylerand what about apt-get versus aptitude, i understand they just handle dependencies different?
10:50.33tylerwhich should i use?
10:50.44themilltyler: /msg dpkg why aptitude  /msg dpkg why not aptitude
10:50.52tylermmk
10:50.52themilltyler: aptitude is the recommended tool for etch
10:50.56tylerright
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10:52.51Eulexzniff, so, what kernel were you running?
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10:53.35zniffEulex sry i was af
10:53.35zniffafk
10:53.43themillEulex: [11:44] <zniff> 2.6.8-3-686-smp
10:53.54zniffyes this is it
10:54.01zniffroot@blue:/etc/bind# uname -ar
10:54.02zniffLinux blue 2.6.8-3-686-smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 7 04:39:15 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
10:54.02EulexI was kinda hoping it was a typo :)
10:54.26znifflol
10:54.26Eulexyou should really upgrade it
10:54.26themillzniff: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
10:54.26zniffi did an apt-get upgrade to lenny like a month ago :s
10:54.35themillzniff: erm....
10:54.40Eulexupgrade, or dist-upgrade?
10:54.48themillzniff: you skipped etch entirely? not a good plan
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10:56.43Eulexalso, you should be aware that if you do not have the appropriate metapackages installed, your kernel won't be upgraded to newer releases
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10:57.37ManateeLazyCatHi, all.
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10:57.54mooperhi, does anyone have a good guide to network topologiers
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10:58.15petemctopologiers
10:58.17petemc?
10:58.35Eulexmooper, #networking?
10:58.47ManateeLazyCatI configure mairix now for search mail within mutt, but when i configure ~/.mairixrc and execute "mairix -F -v", got error "reader:mmap '/home/andy/MyEmacs/Mail/mairix_db': Invalid argument", why? Thanks :)
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10:59.33mooperno answer
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10:59.45zniffthemill no it was etch for about a year
10:59.47moopernm, I have a weird network I am trying to describe
10:59.49petemcmooper: if you're using debian, you can ask questions here
11:00.01mooperthere is debian on the nodes :)
11:00.03zniffEulex upgrade, can't remember if i did a distupgrade
11:00.40Eulexzniff, if you didn't, you didn't perform a full upgrade either. also, did you really go directly from sarge to lenny? or were you running etch inbetween?
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11:01.40zniffEulex: no, <zniff> themill no it was etch for about a year
11:01.43mooperokay, I have an infiniband network, with many 24 port switches connecting into 2 large 144 port switches. Each 24 port switch is  connected into each 44 port swith with 4 ports leaving 16 ports on the 24 port switches for node connections.
11:01.51mooperI know this is tree
11:02.13Eulexzniff, ah, ok. then you didn't perform a full upgrade to etch either, as it has 2.6.18 by default.
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11:03.37zniffi didn't do the etch upgrade. wierd
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11:04.03zniffhow could it have been not a full upgrade?
11:04.45Eulexzniff, well, at least the kernel wasn't upgraded. did you read the etch release notes for instructions on how to upgrade?
11:05.09Eulexzniff, also, if the kernel isn't upgraded, that generally means that you do not have the appropriate kernel metapackage installed.
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11:06.42zniffwhat doea that mean?
11:06.53zniffdoes* i mean, what are the effects
11:06.55zniffand how do i fix it
11:07.25Eulexemh, you install the correct kernel package and metapackage. and make sure you have done a complete dist-upgrade.
11:07.49themillzniff: you might also like to read the sarge->etch release notes
11:08.07zniffqrd
11:08.09zniffwtf*
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11:08.49zniffi know why it didn't upgrade lol
11:08.59zniffon sarge it was kernel image, and now its linux image
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11:09.29themillzniff: which, unsurprisingly, is covered in the etch release notes.
11:09.51zniffi didnt do the upgrade bah
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11:10.21Eulexzniff, also, that wouldn't have been a problem if you had had the kernel-image-2.6-686 metapackage installed; etch provides a compat package for it
11:11.10znifftheres no such package
11:11.15Eulexnot in lenny no
11:11.24zniffshould i do a dist-upgrade after i install the kernel image?
11:11.56tyleris there an 'official' page on the debian site for installing AMP?
11:12.02Eulexprobably doesn't matter, but do it after
11:12.15tylerfound http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/9/12/debian-etch-installing-apache-and-php5
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11:12.38tylerive done all this stuff in centos but new to debian heh
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11:13.11zniffEulex: do what after? the image after the dist or the dist after the kernel?
11:13.26Eulexdist-upgrade after installing ther kernel
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11:14.53zniffEulex: that shouldn't break something, right? cause idont feel like going to the other office
11:15.09themilltyler: /msg dpkg install ; /msg dpkg php
11:15.14themillgah
11:15.24themilltyler: /msg dpkg install php
11:15.28tylerk
11:15.45themill(autorewriting rules went a little mad there)
11:15.48Tr0gdorI just installed a second drive in my computer /dev/sdb whats the easiest way to partition format and mount?
11:15.49tyler;p
11:15.57tylerTr0gdor: fdisk!
11:15.57Tr0gdorpartition, format, and mount?
11:16.06tyleryep
11:16.15petemcfdisk, mkfs.ext3 , mount
11:16.41Eulexzniff, actually, there's no guarantee. and depending on how much the one who did the upgrades knew, you may even have a bizarre mix of sarge, etch and lenny their. in any case, upgrading a kernel is a major change, and no, there is no guarantee that the system will boot after it. you may for example have to change what device grub is looking for your kernel image on.
11:17.04Eulex*there
11:17.14Tr0gdorpetemc mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1?
11:17.27petemcyes
11:17.32Tr0gdorkk cool
11:17.38petemcif you're 100% sure thats the new partition
11:17.47Tr0gdorand how do I make it mount everytime the computer starts up
11:17.56tylerfstab
11:17.57petemcTr0gdor: /etc/fstab
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11:18.53Tr0gdorwhat options should I put in fstab?
11:19.12tylerman fstab :)
11:19.18themillzniff: you might like to fix up your sources.list so that it only has lenny in it and then dt obsolete;
11:19.25zniffEulex: how can i fix that kind of issue? with the grub command line?
11:19.32themillzniff: /msg dpkg obsolete
11:19.45petemcTr0gdor: should be fine copying the line for your / partiotn
11:19.49petemcpartition
11:19.56Eulexzniff, yes.
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11:20.09Eulexand permanently in your menu.lst
11:20.22Tr0gdorpetemc: errors=remount-ro?
11:20.35zniffthemill whats 'dt obsolete;'?
11:21.22themillzniff: (more brokenness on my part): /msg dpkg obsolete
11:21.36Tr0gdorpetemc: ok so I did mount /dev/sdb1 /backup
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11:21.44Tr0gdorbut df still doesnt show /backup
11:21.46Tr0gdorwhats up?
11:22.01Tr0gdoroh wait it does
11:22.02Tr0gdorim blind
11:22.04Tr0gdorhaha
11:22.05petemcTr0gdor: did you create a filesystem, check dmesg
11:22.17petemcTr0gdor: try to think a little bit before asking questions
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11:23.20zniffthemill how do i see what dist was it installed from?
11:24.01themillzniff: if it's in obsolete, then you probably don't want it any more. Or you can add sarge and etch back into your sources.list and /msg dpkg list repositories
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11:24.54Tr0gdorwhich one is lenny from toy story?
11:25.06wols_!lenny
11:25.06dpkgi heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars.  Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>).  A <moving target>.
11:25.19wols_damn. usually it was mentioned
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11:25.27zniffwhat was?
11:25.29zniffoh lol
11:25.39themillwols_: "Lenny is the binoculars."
11:25.40zniffetch is from toy story too?
11:25.49Tr0gdoryeah
11:25.52petemca sketch
11:25.52Tr0gdorthe etch a sketch
11:25.53Tr0gdorlol
11:25.55wols_oi. themill well, I wear glasses. strong ones
11:26.26Tr0gdoris there anyway to tell how much of my memory Debian can see. I heard I might need bigmem to see more than 3
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11:26.52themillwols_: try some binoculars then :)
11:27.00wols_Tr0gdor: you will need 64bit debian for more than 3.5 basically
11:27.14Tr0gdorim pretty sure meminfo shows 4GB
11:27.16Tr0gdorlet me check
11:27.21wols_those are too thick
11:27.27themillwols_: or a bigmem kernel
11:27.32zniffdoes debian not have PAE?
11:28.05wols_it does
11:28.10wols_themill: bigmem is awful. and evil
11:28.11Tr0gdorMemTotal:      4091704 kB
11:28.11Tr0gdorMemFree:       4052604 kB
11:28.18Tr0gdorhmm, isnt that 4GB
11:28.22Tr0gdorbtw no bigmem kernel
11:28.23zniffwow bigmem, old days of DOS
11:28.30wols_BIOS shadowing, kernel memory, etc
11:28.45wols_Tr0gdor: uname -a
11:28.53Tr0gdorLinux debian 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
11:29.04wols_and what does "free" say?
11:29.15Tr0gdorMem:       4091704      39344    4052360          0       3900      14404
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11:29.44Tr0gdoras far as I can tell it sees all 4
11:29.46Tr0gdorheh
11:31.28Tr0gdorIf I do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64, and reboot into it, will apt-get still grab 686 binaries, or will it grab the x64 instead?
11:31.47liable32bit
11:31.58Tr0gdorhow do I tell it to grab the 64bit ones?
11:31.59zniffthemill can i tell if its local or from the repo?
11:32.13wols_Tr0gdor: reinstall
11:32.16liableTr0gdor: reinstall
11:32.26wols_snewp: apt-cache policy
11:32.39Tr0gdorwow wols_ liable thats all i can do
11:32.43Tr0gdorthat seems dumb
11:33.06wols_it'S not dumb. it's a different platform
11:33.57themillzniff: if you compiled it yourself or downloaded the .deb and installed it with dpkg -i then it's locally installed.
11:34.03Tr0gdorwell if thats true then what about this? When I installed debian it gave me 2.6.24-1-486, I grabbed 686 and installed it.  Are 686 programs compiled seperately from 486?
11:34.07Tr0gdoror are they the same packages?
11:34.42zniffthemill yeah i know, i just can't remember, and its a dev box so i dont wanna break peoples stuff lol
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11:35.17Tr0gdorwols_ I mean I want the 686 packages not the 486 packages, unless they are the same. do I have to reinstall?
11:35.50themillzniff: you could put sarge and etch back in to your sources.list and then anything that is left in obsolete will be locally installed ; then remove them again and anything that is in there now is truly obsolete and not just locally installed.
11:36.07wols_Tr0gdor: there are no 686 packages, except kernel and libc6
11:36.41Tr0gdorwols_: and to get libc6 id have to reinstall or can I do that somehow through apt?
11:36.50wols_just install it
11:37.07zniffthemill thanks
11:37.18themillzniff: no worries
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11:40.44JyZyXELhmm is there a command that restarts X ?
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11:41.32djrctrl-alt-backspace ;)
11:41.37tylercntrlaltback
11:41.39tyler:D
11:42.11JyZyXELyea well the reason im restarting the X is that its not detecting modifiers
11:42.24znifflol
11:42.25JyZyXELso the command?
11:42.40tylerif X is running, you can cntrl+alt+backspace
11:42.41djrJyZyXEL: we just told you
11:42.53JyZyXELyea and i just told you it doesn't work
11:42.56EulexJyZyXEL, you could kill it.
11:42.58zniffetc init d x<Tab>
11:43.09tylerif youre having other complications, consider SSHing in from another box and running "killall X" and "startx &"
11:43.12tylerand no need to be smart :)
11:43.14Tr0gdorI mounted my second harddrive as /backup. How can I allow user dave to read and write to it?
11:43.14Eulex/etc/init.d/gdm restart
11:43.27JyZyXELi cannot type that
11:43.34Eulextyler, if he's not starting X using startx?
11:43.46tyleroh
11:43.47EulexJyZyXEL, killall Xorg?
11:43.48JyZyXELwait ill just ssh to it so i can run it
11:44.08tylerTr0gdor: chown /backup to dave
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11:44.22tylerie: chown dave /backup
11:44.24Tr0gdortyler, well what if user bob needs to access it to?
11:44.27JyZyXELok /etc/init.d/kdm restart did it
11:44.38tylerthen youll have to chmod it so the other group may access it
11:44.39zniffTr0gdor create a group
11:44.49mc__Hi! I've got a a vserver(weak cpu) with some movies on it. I'm looking for a solution to stream those movies, any recommendations?
11:44.50tyleractually, what he said :)
11:44.51JyZyXELwhats this message that keeps flooding my consoles    VFS: busy inodes on changed mdia
11:45.08tylermc__: nfs?
11:45.28JyZyXELwtf is that
11:45.36JyZyXELVFS: busy inodes on changed media.
11:45.36zniffnetwork file system
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11:45.43tylerJyZyXEL: google is a handy tool
11:45.57tylerand if im not mistaken inodes have something to do with the way data is stored on a medium
11:45.57jattviro filesystem
11:45.58mc__tyler:  I dont want to give people access to the filesystem
11:46.09JyZyXELfucking hate program that flood to all consoles
11:46.17tylerJyZyXEL: chill :)
11:46.23JyZyXELwhat is the software developer thinking when he makes such a thing
11:46.32JyZyXEL"oh this is gonna be so great way to get attention"
11:46.35tylerso why dont you develop it yourself?
11:46.36znifflol
11:46.36tylerheh
11:46.44tylerdont use it then?
11:46.58JyZyXELapt-get remove vfs
11:47.03tylerTr0gdor: yeah, create a group, add said users to group, chgrp /backup to that group, make sure permissions are correct, and there you go :)
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11:48.25tylerJyZyXEL: im showing several results simply by using google
11:48.40tyleri think most people would prefer you look into it more *before* asking for assistance :)
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11:48.48JyZyXELk
11:48.55wols_JyZyXEL: your kernel is the one programe which has to spew errors on all consoles
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11:49.02tylerhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxquestions.org%2Fquestions%2Fmandriva-30%2Fvfs-busy-inodes-on-changed-media-174769%2F&ei=cNJHSKCEGZ-SggKPhv3bAw&usg=AFQjCNEo110SAnbeOP7sPvykP_50euY7ew&sig2=Qckm2Rbi68jBnfFnZfQMRw , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=529096
11:49.09tylerheh bit spammy
11:49.10wols_and serious data loss errors like this doubly so
11:49.17TerrorBiteI'm getting this error: "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" and changing the cache size in the config has no effect
11:49.25wols_!tell TerrorBite about mmap
11:49.37TerrorBiteBroken bot?
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11:49.57zniffhe doesnt like terrorists
11:50.00tylerJyZyXEL: those two links i pasted were for you
11:50.01wols_broken TerrorBite
11:50.19TerrorBiteoh wait, in PM
11:50.23tyler:P
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11:50.50JyZyXELtyler i just had to type "eject" =D
11:50.58JyZyXELits was my CD drive
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11:51.05tyleryes, thats what the links said
11:51.07tylerhandy google eh
11:51.08tyler;p
11:51.18JyZyXELnow the next thing i need to remove is the LOG rule in my iptables
11:51.23JyZyXELit also keeps flooding the console
11:51.23TerrorBiteer
11:51.27tylerum lol
11:51.33TerrorBiteMy bad, I had this in my config: "PT::Cache-Limit "64000000";"
11:51.38TerrorBiteMissing the initial A
11:51.43JyZyXELLOG        all  --  anywhere             anywhere            limit: avg 5/sec burst 5 LOG level warning prefix `KMF: '
11:51.47JyZyXELthat rule is horrible
11:51.54tylerso remove it?
11:52.03JyZyXELim trying to figure out how to remove iptable rules
11:52.05tylerand i dont believe iptables writes to your console
11:52.10tyleragain, google is very nice
11:52.30JyZyXELtried man iptables
11:52.32JyZyXELand /remove
11:52.46tylerim quite sure you can find solutions to simple iptables issues with google, as ive done it before
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11:52.53tylerand the manpage also explains it
11:52.56tyleriptables -D
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11:53.10tylererm, no
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11:53.14JyZyXELyay -D
11:53.15TerrorBiteOkay, thanks guys
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11:53.24tyleryeah its -D heh
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11:53.45JyZyXELohh the console is flood free
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12:03.35dpkgqotd144 is probably < LightVision> madradrone:  if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i?
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12:06.55reZois there a way to change the sound mixer mpc is using?
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12:07.04reZoi want mpc to use Master, not PCM.
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12:07.50EulexreZo, set up your mpd to control master
12:08.10reZookay
12:08.17reZoguess i'll read the mpd documentation for it ;;
12:08.27Eulexmpd.conf details it
12:08.38Eulexit has helpful comments
12:09.40isa38nick isa69
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12:14.10reZoyay, fixed.
12:14.21Zenoxdoes it matter if i run a couple of Seagate ST3250820AS with an ST3250410AS harddrives in a software RAID5 on Debian (it's 8 vs 16 mb cache on the disks)?
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12:16.04porncakehey guys is there a way for me to when normal users do 'who' it doesnt show the hostname of the other users?
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12:18.58abrotmanyou want to hide it from them (as an admin) ?
12:19.19porncakeyes
12:19.35phrozen77!paste
12:19.35dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:19.42porncakeso users cant see each others hosts
12:20.10antgelwhen using dd to copy an image file to a sata hard disk, how can i determine the optimum block size?
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12:20.52abrotman42
12:20.57abrotmanporncake: don't think so
12:21.10reZodoes anyone know were i can get usplash development headers etc on etch?
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12:34.18hjbHi. How can i reconfigure that my local clock is set to UTC?
12:35.13hjbiirc, that question was asked during installation
12:35.22WesleyI'm still unable to install the grub boot loader with debian net install. (executing grub-install (hd0) failed) - i did guided partitioning and manual partitioning. anyone any idea?
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12:35.31abrotman!set the time
12:35.32dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
12:35.35ArthurArchnixI was reading the date man entry the other day, no wait, the debian manual. It's in there. You open up a conf file and change no to yes. hjb
12:36.32hjbabrotman ArthurArchnix Thanks
12:36.39hjb!time
12:36.39dpkgtime is probably found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.06.05 12:36:39, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
12:36.42hlfpst11abrotman very good... I am using ntp and adjtimex too but seem I am in the right place
12:36.56hjb!time-setting
12:37.02ArthurArchnixhjb here's the link from my history http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html
12:37.02abrotmanhjb: /msg dpkg foo
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12:37.18hjbabrotman yes, sorry
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12:38.43ArthurArchnixhjb the relevant portion " To change the computer to use UTC after installation, edit the file /etc/default/rcS, change the variable UTC to no.  If you happened to install your system to use local time, just change the variable to yes to start using UTC.  It is best to reboot after editing /etc/default/rcS to get the changes effective."
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12:42.12hlfpst11hi I have a question: how to know when have a deb package installed?
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12:42.35tarzeaudoes anyone use msc software adams 2008 on debian?
12:42.49tarzeauhlfpst11: dpkg -l |grep pkgname
12:43.04tarzeaulooks like etch is too new? file /opt/adams-2008r1/appbar/linux64/appbar.exe
12:43.04tarzeau/opt/adams-2008r1/appbar/linux64/appbar.exe: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, not stripped
12:43.25hlfpst11tarzeau just done but not saying when
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12:46.13AcTiVaTehlfpst11: dpkg -l <installed package name>
12:46.23AcTiVaTeThat will show the status
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12:49.23hlfpst11AcTiVaTe and tarzeau thanks but that I already know the dpkg -l... I have to know when a package has installed nor how, nor if is installed... I know that is not a dumb question
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12:50.39AcTiVaTeI bet it's not a dumb question, just asked in a way that I do not understand it. Please rephrase
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12:53.05themillhlfpst11: look at the logs if you're running etch or later. /var/log/dpkg.log*
12:53.14hlfpst11AcTiVaTe I try, I have to get the timeline of upgrades and I do not know how to get it nor if is it possible... (I never had this need but now I have) is there some logging when apt-get upgrade?
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12:53.32themillhlfpst11: dpkg keeps logs and aptitude keeps logs.
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12:53.58wati need to build out conntrack-tools on some firewalls running etch
12:54.02hlfpst11ok I have to look in /var/log/messages? or where?
12:54.09watand i see that there are two versions of linux source trees available
12:54.45watone says "linux-source-2.6.18" and the other says "linux-tree-2.6.18"
12:54.45hlfpst11themill thanks in advance
12:54.45watwhich do i install?
12:54.45watall i need to do is build some netfilter modules
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12:55.19ArthurArchnixhlfpst11: Yeah... you can probably find some details about it in /var/log/apt/term.log   but how far back depends on ... logrotate maybe?
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12:58.08aNOOBisahow can I find all packages depending on a .deb package if I want to manually install it
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12:58.54halflife08aNOOBisa: dpkg -I foobar
12:59.14aNOOBisathanks halflife
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13:01.23halflife08aNOOBisa: sorry that is wrong info.
13:01.44dob1hi, on vim/vi i don't know for which reason but now i don't have the syntax highlighting,  how can i re-enable it?
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13:04.31aNOOBisahalflife -I is great
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13:04.51aNOOBisa-info didn't work for me
13:05.24aNOOBisaby any chance can someone point me to a command to find my kernel version or what linux-headers I need to install?
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13:06.14halflife08aNOOBisa: uname -a will give you the kernel version
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13:09.17gholmI've got a programmer friend weaning himself from Windows.. what's the recommended distro of linux for him to explore C and C++ compiling enviroments?
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13:09.28gholmand java programming
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13:09.44halflife08aNOOBisa: yeah i corrected myself saying that the suggestion i gave was wrong regarding dpkg -I , you should try apt-cache rdepends foobar
13:10.04Pryongholm: There's no significant difference between the distributions as far as that is concerned.
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13:10.20gholmPryon: should I recommend an IDE? Eclipse?
13:10.52PryonLet your friend find and try his own tools.
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13:10.59CoolColdhi
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13:11.09CoolColddid anyone succeeded with aic9410w ?
13:11.14gholmits good to have a helping hand tho.
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13:11.33PryonIt's bad to have too much "help"
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13:11.52CoolColdi'm installing debian etch from backported d-i, and while module aic94xx is loaded, i can't see any drives
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13:12.07wols_CoolCold: dmesg output
13:12.31Pryongholm: Personally, I think an IDE gets in the way of learning a language.   If you like to use an IDE, which of us is correct?   You have to allow your friend to figure some things out.
13:12.33CoolColdwell, that's not easy..
13:12.49CoolColdwols_: but, what should i see/check in the dmesg?
13:13.00wols_nothing. you should paste it
13:13.05gholmPryon: v true
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13:13.47CoolColdwols_: server doesn't have ssh running, so i can't copy/paste
13:14.06hlfpst11thanks ArthurArhnix :) I found it /var/dpkg.log
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13:15.26hlfpst11ok I have to go bye all and thanks :)
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13:16.11diegHi! I've a little question: I need that a unprivileged user (user_a) execute a command as other unprivileged user (user_b) in a group (group). Now I do as user_a: sudo -u user_b command. In /etc/sudoers I have: user_a ALL = (%group) command. Now the question: How can I make that sudo asks user_a for user_b's password? (now sudo asks for user_a's password). Thanks!
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13:16.44superfirelord42use su instead of sudo if i recal
13:16.49superfirelord42su - username
13:17.18diegbut I don't want a shell, only execute a command.
13:17.20superfirelord42but that would not be a command, that would be a user shell login..
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13:17.49keith4so put a command after it, just like sudo
13:18.08woden1My internet connection is unusually slow, what should I check first?
13:18.22Pryonsu -c foo otheruser?
13:18.29cloakabledieg: su - username -c 'put command here, use the quotes'
13:18.57keith4you don't need quotes, necessarily
13:19.10keith4"su - somebody -c ls" should work
13:19.28diegyes!
13:19.31diegthanks keith4
13:19.43diegthe "-c" is the key!
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13:20.12keith4don't thank me, thank Pryon
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13:20.20keith4or cloakable
13:20.27dieghmpf
13:20.40cloakablehehe
13:20.49diegthanks Pryon, keith4 and cloakable (in random order)
13:20.58keith4nods
13:21.01cloakabledon't thank me, thank TFM ;p
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13:21.09keith4touché
13:21.11JyZyXELhmm i accidently seem to have installed lenny instead of the stable i wanted
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13:21.22keith4JyZyXEL: that's a pretty big accident
13:21.31JyZyXELwell hmm =D
13:21.45JyZyXELguess ill be using lenny for my firewall box then
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13:22.02keith4that's... not the best idea i've heard today
13:22.18JyZyXELwell hmm what can i do? :(
13:22.29diegmmm, then... use experimental
13:22.31wols_keith4: seen who said it, why are you surprised?
13:22.46JyZyXELcan i downgrade to stable? ;)
13:22.54keith4!downgrade
13:22.55dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.  Also see <partial downgrade>
13:23.17JyZyXELguess ill download the stable install CD
13:23.27keith4use netinst
13:23.40superfirelord42woden1: is it specificly your debian box having internet trouble? or is it your whole network?
13:23.40JyZyXELuh huh
13:23.44keith4wols_: well, sure. but i'd by a hypocrite if I told people not to run "production" stuff on lenny
13:24.00keith4er, s/by/be/
13:24.13woden1superfirelord42:  It's just my Debian laptop having the slowness.  My desktop running Debian runs just fine.  BTW I'm using wireless on my debian laptop.
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13:25.02superfirelord42do you have any other wireless devices you can check the speeds at?
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13:27.17jason_hello all
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13:28.56jason_I've been Googling for 2 weeks trying to find away to make multipart tar files as I have a 20 gig folder that I need backing up and can't make files larger then 4 gigs
13:29.19jason_if anyone knows how to make a multipart tar file please let me know
13:29.47abrotmansplit ?
13:30.22jason_at what stage do you use split?
13:30.23wols_man tar
13:30.28wols_-L
13:30.58jason_I've gone though the manule but I've tried using M and L several time but cant get it to work
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13:31.11jason_does anyone just have an example line that they know worked for them?
13:31.26jason_I must be using the params in the wrong order or something
13:31.44wols_!tell jason_ about errors
13:31.45JyZyXELohh nice, the image from debian.org is coming at 1.8MB/s
13:32.04JyZyXEL!tell JyZyXEL about errors
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13:32.45JyZyXELoh u
13:33.01wols_!u
13:33.02dpkgDamnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
13:33.09superfirelord42we really like our bots here....
13:33.28JyZyXELhe has anserw to everything
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13:33.42superfirelord42true....
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13:34.38superfirelord42jason_: have you seen http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/10/24/tips-from-an-rhce-splitting-tar-archives-on-the-fly/ it looks like it may help...
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13:36.38superfirelord42but -L may still be better... this would mean before you can extract, you much have all your tar files avalible....
13:36.50jason_thanks superfirelord, I'm looking at it now
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13:38.06Blackholdhello
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13:38.16justinsuperfirelord42: wow, the guy that wrote that article has an odd grasp of unix
13:38.25justincat $(FILE_NAME_PREFIX)* >> /dev/stdout | tar -xzf /dev/stdin
13:38.27superfirelord42i thought so to
13:38.30superfirelord42he explains it though
13:38.36superfirelord42it did that to make it more clear
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13:38.57superfirelord42read the secound reply...
13:39.05Blackholdcould someone help me on a 3945 intel wireless card? I've installed firmware-ipw3945 and firmware-iwlwifi and don't works... don't appear the new interface eth1, I'm on debian lenny recently installed...
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13:39.25wols_!teoll Blackhold about doesn't work
13:39.36wols_!tell Blackhold about doesn't work
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13:39.43wols_Blackhold: what does ipconfig -a say?
13:39.47liableKamaze: /query if you dont mind
13:39.49justinsuperfirelord42: yeah, and it causes problems, as noted in the later replies
13:39.55liableKamaze: sorry
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13:40.05Kamazeunacceptable liable
13:40.12liableheh
13:40.18^russHi - I've compiled a package myself, and installed it, but apt-get removes it and replaces it with the standard version. I've been pointed towards apt / pinning but it doesn't seem like the right solution from what I've read....am I wrong?
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13:40.24mkl1525Hi, running etch + ext3: there's a file limit of 32K files per directory - is there any way to increase this size?
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13:40.34superfirelord42justin: hmm... didnt read all of them...
13:40.43themill^russ: are you running etch?
13:40.45superfirelord42justin: it looks like his tar is implying -z
13:40.54^russthemill: yes :)
13:40.56wols_mkl1525: new kernel?
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13:41.16themill^russ: so you apt-get -b source packagename ; dpkg -i packagename?
13:41.24Blackholdwols_: ipconfig is from windows... I'm on a linux...
13:41.34Blackholdin ifconfig -a don't appears the interface
13:41.45mkl1525wols_  kernel 2.6.17.13
13:41.57^russI did apt-get source package, then changed some stuff, then complied it as a package, then dpkg -i package.deb
13:41.57themill^russ: or something like that? (are you doing a sid backport or just changing the compile options on the package?)
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13:42.12themill^russ: did you make a changelog entry in debian/changelog?
13:42.16wols_mkl1525: that is not etch
13:42.22wols_mkl1525: upgrade
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13:42.24^russthemill: you've lost me now.
13:42.39wols_^russ: where did you get your source?
13:42.52^russthemill: "apt-get source lighttpd"
13:42.55wols_and what's the name of the package?
13:43.03wols_ok. apt-cache policy lighthttpd
13:43.06^russthemill: then I added a extra module, and complied it
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13:43.34Blackholdwols_: I've been looking on internet for the solution and I read something to install something about modules that in apt don't appear (I've on free, contrib and non-free)
13:43.38themill^russ: yep... after making the changes you wanted, then make a new entry in debian/changelog. If you have the devscripts package installed, then use the dch utility to do so.
13:43.41^russhttp://pastie.org/209373
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13:44.11wols_Blackhold: ifconfig -a
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13:44.23wols_!tell Blackhold about ipw3945
13:44.39Niko_Can somebody tell me an howto to install fglrx driver under debian?
13:44.48wols_!tell Niko_ about ati
13:44.52wols_!tell Niko_ about fglrx
13:44.52^russthemill: so literally just add a new entry in the same format in a text file (debian/changelog) ??
13:45.10wols_^russ: tell us the command you ran
13:45.11themill^russ: If you make a new entry in debian/changelog with a higher version number (1.4.13-4etch8~russ) then it won't get overwritten until there is a newer version than that in security.debian.org, at which time you'll have to repeat the procedure.
13:45.20Niko_i have an ati card in my laptop but i tried lots of ways but it doesnt work
13:45.32wols_!tell Niko_ about doesn't work
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13:45.52^russthemill: I'd like to just not install any updates, I'm happy to manage that manually (by recompliing)
13:45.58KU0NI have a debian with 2 network card, one is used to connect it to internet, and I want to run a dhcp server on the other one, and provide internet connection to machines on that second card, using NAT.
13:46.03KU0NDo you have any how to for that?
13:46.15themilldpkg: tell russ about hold
13:46.20wols_!tell ^russ about hold
13:46.27wols_damn, you were faster
13:46.28Niko_wols_: I have install debian... after the install the x-server didnt start i dont know why.
13:46.31themill!win themill
13:46.31dpkgCongratulations, themill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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13:46.38wols_KU0N: install ipmasq and dnsmasq
13:46.54themillBlackhold: what kernel are you using? uname -r
13:46.58^russwols_: ty! I'll read it
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13:48.43Blackhold2.6.22-3-686
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13:48.54KU0Nwols_: is that document still up to date: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ ?
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13:49.17Blackholdthis is a recently installed debian lenny
13:49.22themillnot that recent
13:49.36themillBlackhold: it would be easier for you to upgrade to 2.6.24 (or 2.6.25 now in lenny) and use the iwlwifi driver than to faff about with the ipw3945 driver. /msg dpkg iwlwifi
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13:50.08debianismHello
13:50.14debianismI just installed java
13:50.26debianismBut the browsers doesnt recognize it
13:50.31debianismWhat should I do?
13:50.34grotonhello, i want to delete all files in a directory, the problem is that the find command returns me also the directory itself (which i do not want to remove): eg  find /var/ -amin 5 -exec echo \{\} \+ | less     would list also the /var directory.
13:50.36themilldebianism: what precisely did you install?
13:50.49Blackholdok
13:50.52Blackholdthemill: gonna try
13:51.29wols_KU0N: not for debian. never was
13:51.31themillBlackhold: in either case, you're going to need a firmware package (although it's a different one) so you'll need non-free in your sources.list. /msg dpkg non-free sources
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13:51.35asggroton: use -type f (to specify only files, not directories)
13:51.35Blackhold2.6.25 will appear on repos?
13:51.50Blackholdthemill: no problem
13:52.00debianismthemill: Jre runtime 6
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13:52.08grotonasg, i want to delete directories inside a directory, but not that directory itself
13:52.09debianismthemill: From sun
13:52.12Blackholdthemill: I'm doing an apt-get dist-upgrade
13:52.20Neurostu/msg dpkg guidelines
13:52.23Blackholdand is updating me to 2.6.24-1
13:52.29Blackholdgonna try if this one works...
13:52.38Blackholdthe drums sounds...
13:52.45NeurostuDoes anybody know a IRC channel where I can get help with dpkg-buildpackage?
13:52.49themillBlackhold: ahh... 2.6.25 is in sid now. 2.6.24 works quite nicely though with that card
13:52.52asggroton: then \! -name '/var/'
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13:53.10Blackholdthemill: I need a laptop system
13:53.28grotonasg, thanks a lot
13:53.34themilldpkg: tell debianism about install java
13:53.48azeemNeurostu: this one, e.g.
13:53.58debianismthemill: It is installed
13:54.01Blackholdthemill: a working system... so in lenny with the right updates is enough
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13:54.10debianismthemill: Woopra worked, but the browsers doesnt use it
13:54.12themillBlackhold: yes.
13:54.17tarzeau!qotd0
13:54.18dpkgfrom memory, qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else?
13:54.27Blackholdonly have to get work the touchpad and wifi, are the two basically things... all the other things seems work
13:54.57NeurostuI'm trying to compile my own debs for ubuntu but I'm getting the following two errors:
13:54.57Neurostudpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1
13:54.57Neurostudpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-genchanges gave error exit status 9
13:54.59themilldebianism: if you installed it from sun, you didn't install it the Debian way as dpkg just advised you.
13:55.07NeurostuDoes anybody know what they mean, or how to resolve them?
13:55.10themillNeurostu: please ask ubuntu
13:55.11azeemNeurostu: ask in #ubuntu
13:55.20debianismthemill: So I have to reinstall?
13:55.23grotonasg, a command like this  find /var/ \! -iname '/var/' -exec echo \{\} \+ | les did not work
13:55.31debianismthemill: In etch I just apt-get something?
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13:55.55themilldebianism: follow the instructions that dpkg just msg'd to you about how to install java.
13:55.57Neurostuok....  isn't dpkg-buildpackage debian based?
13:56.21NeurostuI mean should't the commands be the same in Debian and ubuntu?
13:56.21azeemNeurostu: that doesn't mean your question is on-topic here
13:56.25themillNeurostu: it is, but you're using the ubuntu version it would seem.
13:56.32azeemNeurostu: it is, but we don't support Ubuntu here
13:56.51Blackholdthemill: one question, in sid debian is developing a fastest way to startup?
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13:57.08Neurostuok, I really didn't want to bother anybody. sorry for your time
13:57.13azeemnp
13:57.14tempb0yis anyone else having issues joining #ubuntu
13:57.26stewtempb0y: ask #ubuntu-ops
13:57.38themillBlackhold: what do you mean?
13:57.44Blackholdthemill: thanks... the solution was the update :P
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13:58.23Blackholdthemill: I'd read something about to run the x windows before other services
13:58.36Blackholdto get the desktop in front faster...
13:58.43azeemBlackhold: that has been done for years
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13:59.30diegBlackhold apt-cache show insserv
13:59.36dieg:)
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14:01.57Blackholdwtf! the mousepad don't works correctly... any problem, I save the /etc dir from the ubuntu that was installed and working here :)
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14:03.46themillBlackhold: that's not a very clever thing to do. It will be a different version of xorg and different driver packages loaded.
14:04.22Blackholdyes yes
14:04.43Blackholdbut sometimes we are very argued how many time spends a computer to run
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14:04.56themilldpkg: tell Blackhold about synaptics
14:04.59ansong_i've got a program i'm working on that access huge files and creates several very large arrays. i've been able to test it on a rhel4 system but debian (on a virtual machine) just immediately comes back with: Killed
14:05.03Blackholdsometimes what a simply user is, is to start to work as soon as possible
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14:05.24azeemBlackhold: you replaced the whole of /etc with something from Ubuntu?
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14:06.32ansong_is there something on the debian system that i need to change to allow my program to execute?
14:06.52tarzeauansong_: the program should be executable?
14:07.16Blackholdazeem: nooo!
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14:07.32Blackholdonly backed up it to see how ubuntu had configured some things
14:07.44Blackholdfor example the synaptics touchpad :)
14:07.57wols_ansong_: what kernel? how much memory do you allocate?
14:08.30JyZyXELwhy does apt-get upgrade offer me "linux-image-2.6.18-6-486" when uname says "2.6.18-6-486"
14:08.45abrotmansecurity update .. we've told you this before
14:08.50ansong_wols_: 2.6.25, unstable
14:08.59JyZyXELoh ;o
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14:09.15wols_ansong_: full kernel version
14:09.31ansong_Linux etch 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Tue May 27 15:38:35 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
14:09.32dbmoodbhi ah ... i'm just trying to understand this. ... does debian lenny have less rc bugs than etch .... atm ?
14:09.43dbmoodbansong_: is that sid ?
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14:10.02ansong_dbmoodb: yes. same error on etch however
14:10.03wols_dbmoodb: how can etch have rc bugs when it's already released for a year?
14:10.11abrotmannew RC bugs found
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14:10.32dbmoodb<PROTECTED>
14:10.33dbmoodbNumber concerning the next release: 452 ... is this so ?
14:10.42dbmoodbor is that not a true representation ...
14:10.56ShredZWill the broken compiz in testing be fixed any time soon or is there no real interaction with when or how a 'good' version will make it to testing ?
14:11.01dbmoodbansong_: what's the proken ?
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14:11.22ndee_does anybody know a console torrent client?
14:11.29dbmoodbShredZ: see the tux repo of shame for compiz ... a newer version
14:11.33dbmoodbndee_: rtorrent
14:11.34triflerndee_: rtorrent?
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14:12.09ndee_gonna give it a try :)
14:12.23ShredZdbmoodb, where is that ?
14:12.27dbmoodbndee_: there is also torrent flux
14:12.32liablewpasupp deb size isnt much bigger. netcfg would be a fair bit larger though
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14:12.45dbmoodbhttp://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11
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14:13.22AndaskHello
14:13.27ansong_dbmoodb: my program is killed as soon as i try to run it. i think i need to loosen some restrictions in /etc/security/limits.conf but i'm not sure what to set them to
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14:13.41dbmoodbansong_: you have set them ?
14:14.00AndaskI'm having a problem with Xorg.conf, it is only a blank file! :O
14:14.19dbmoodbdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
14:14.25wols_ansong_: lenny or sid?
14:14.34AndaskDebian 4
14:14.41Andaskthe most new of it
14:14.43Blackholdwell
14:14.46Blackholdthanks you a lot
14:14.53Blackholdfor your help
14:14.53Blackhold:)
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14:15.47ansong_dbmoodb: no i haven't set anything. i was looking in the redhat installation to see what they had, but everything in the file is commented, just like the debian version.
14:15.48ansong_wols_: sid. same problem in etch however.
14:16.17dbmoodbansong_: what app...
14:16.23ansong_my own app
14:16.34dbmoodbwell then you are the only one to blame
14:16.35wols_ansong_: answer my question
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14:17.01AndaskWhen I try to start Debian, it do only in text mode (with ctrl + alt + F1) becase the frequency is wrong
14:17.17wols_Andask: you've been told what to do
14:17.44ansong_dbmoodb: it runs in redhat enterprise. i'm not saying debian is 'to blame.' i'm sure it's just a setting that i don't either know about or know how to set...
14:18.00fas3r|Ryan52: :)
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14:18.07wols_ansong_: I asked you something
14:18.07stewAndask: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:18.11RamdiskHow could I possibly find out which package dependencies are not fullfilled on my system and download the package and all dependencies on another machine with windows through the browser?
14:18.21ansong_wols_: sorry, i thought i had. i'm using sid
14:18.38wols_!tell Ramdisk about apt-zip
14:18.43wols_ansong_: that's not all I asked
14:18.51wols_ansong_: how much ram do you allocate?
14:18.57dbmoodbansong_: what does your app do
14:19.10wols_Andask: do NOT message people unasked
14:19.36Bushmillsansong_: i think what  wols_ asked was "do you want to send me a crystal ball"
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14:19.58CoolColdxm
14:20.17ansong_dbmoodb: it's geophysical software
14:20.17CoolColdis there anyway to boot from netboot image and setup ssh, to continue installation remotely?
14:20.28dbmoodbnice ansong_.... foss ?
14:20.31fas3ri have IDE hard disk where my system is install. It's possible i copy partition in SATA hard disk and boot on this ? ( just i need to modify the /etc/fstab and lilo ? )
14:20.35wols_!tell CoolCold about d-i
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14:20.51wols_fas3r: grub. but yes it's possible
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14:21.01Andaskwols_ my english is bad, can u talk in some siple way?
14:21.05fas3rwols_: i use lilo .. :)
14:21.08Andasksimple*
14:21.15stewAndask: run this command: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
14:21.26wols_stew: you forgot the "as root"
14:21.45wols_!br
14:21.47dpkgEste canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:21.54fas3rwols_: and it's possible i do this at hot ?
14:22.08wols_fas3r: yes. probably
14:22.21ansong_Bushmills: wols_: let me rephrase the question then: does anyone know what might need to be set in the /etc/security/limits.conf to allow for software that creates large data structures to execute.
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14:22.31fas3rwols_: else i need to use gparted or other ?
14:22.39Andaskwhen I try to log as root i receive a msg with erro
14:22.43wols_ansong_: let ME rephrase my question a fscking third time: how much RAM do you allocate?
14:22.51liableyeah, i had it in an extra dir.
14:22.52wols_fas3r: no
14:22.54\amethystif you copy a partition that is being written to you are very likely to get fs corruption in the copy
14:22.55ansong_wols_: it needs to use about 2 - 5 gigs
14:22.58Andask"sudo -s" is not a command
14:23.12wols_Andask: 5 Gigs might be hard to do with a 686 kernel
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14:23.40wols_Andask: run "su"
14:23.45Andaski have tried
14:23.50Andaskthe same msg
14:23.50ansong_wols_: that's on a large dataset. i'm testing it with a *very* small one.
14:24.11stewAndask: su is not a command?
14:24.18wols_Andask: /bin/su
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14:24.32fas3rwols_: it's not possible with gparted live cd ?
14:24.41dbmoodbSteW is an order :_)
14:24.52wols_fas3r: gparted is not debian. ask them not us
14:25.03perfectorwols_: howdee?
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14:25.21vjoehey
14:25.22fas3rwols_: with what ?
14:25.23wols_ansong_: checked your logs?
14:25.32dbmoodbwols i think he means knoppix
14:25.46wols_dbmoodb: no he does not. and knoppix isn't debian either
14:26.07dbmoodbk
14:26.13CoolColdwols_: the answer was easy - press go back and select network console
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14:26.17Bushmillsansong_: "software that - potentially -  creates large data structures" which gets killed when running on very small dataset? doesn't sound like a limits.conf issue...
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14:27.22Bushmillsansong_: compare compiler version, and kernels. maybe a long vs long long int issue, compiling to different code here and there? resulting in some pointer size mess, maybe?
14:28.47cesar_CRhello guys ... anybody knows why after every apt operation that I do, I get this error http://rafb.net/p/lPMvoK13.html
14:29.06Andasknow i receive this "hdb: lost interrupt"
14:29.23perfectorwhat exactly happens during a grub profile??
14:29.30ansong_wols_: i've checked /var/log/messages, syslog, user.log and haven't found anything, was there a different file it would be logged to?
14:29.56Bushmillscesar_CR:  your /var/lib sits o an extra partition, which is a problem and has been remounted r/o
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14:30.12dbmoodbansong_: check user ?
14:30.18dbmoodb... again
14:30.24ansong_?
14:30.33dbmoodbtry strace on it..?
14:30.50cesar_CRBushmills: and what should I do ?
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14:31.40Bushmillscesar_CR: verify that/if that is tha case.if so, umount partition, fsck it
14:31.41paskyHi, is there a way to get fstab-sync-like functionality in Etch? I know about pmount, but not about user-friendly way to list devices available for pmount (the fstab-sync way would be just to ls /media).
14:31.42ansong_dbmoodb: thanks for that. i can't believe i didn't think of it: -1 ENOMEM (Cannot allocate memory)
14:31.43youseiHello, I am trying to prepare my usb stick, so that I can install debian from it. However, I am having problems booting it. If I use the zcat an image to the device method it boots (but uses up the whole device), so Im trying to use the manual method. However, my bios will not reckognize it as a bootable device when I use the manual method.
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14:32.46ansong_Bushmills: on a small dataset it will use 100MB and 1GB.
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14:32.58dbmoodbyousei there is a gui method too.... (google for it )
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14:33.28youseidbmoodb: what do you mean gui method?
14:33.31Bushmillsansong_: 100 mbytes ... less than contemporary web browsers :)
14:33.50dbmoodb....  it prepares a usb thing for you for booting
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14:34.50cesar_CRBushmills: I do a mount and a get this => /dev/sda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)
14:34.54youseidbmoodb: You mean it prepares a usb stick so that you can boot and install debian from it? Hmm interesting.
14:35.21youseidbmoodb: but, id rather have some help with making this work, as I figure it should be able to work
14:35.33Bushmillscesar_CR: any other ro partition?
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14:36.20ansong_Bushmills: here is a perfect example: https://lists.phy.duke.edu/pipermail/dbug/2002-July/000041.html
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14:36.43cesar_CRBushmills: ups this one !!! /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
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14:37.14Bushmillscesar_CR: nah., that one is ok.  different problem, it appears
14:37.15CoolColdwols_: http://paste.org.ru/?rsr09k here dmesg about aic
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14:38.15cesar_CRBushmills: this is the all the output http://rafb.net/p/5Dk1XG44.html
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14:38.29youseiCan anyone help me make my usb boot so that I can install debian from it?
14:38.36yousei*usb stick
14:39.04dbmoodbyousei ..... google
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14:39.23cesar_CRBushmills: the problem started when I was doing a "apt-get update" an then the proccess was interrupted cause the lights went off
14:39.56Bushmillsansong_: that talks about static allocation, size of data set should be irrelevant in that case.  (i assume your arrays are not statically allocated, or you hadn't pointed out that the problem occured with a very small data set already
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14:40.23youseidbmoodb: I have tried googling gui install from usb, and it doesnt seem to give me anything useful.
14:40.25dbmoodbyousei you know there seems tobe a usb image
14:40.43dbmoodbfor etch
14:40.49dbmoodbhttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-usb
14:40.57youseidbmoodb: yes, I have read the installation docs concerning installing from usb memory sticks and followed the "flexible" version of the instructions
14:41.12dbmoodband what happens...?
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14:41.28youseidbmoodb: I dont want to write an image to the stick, as it overwrites the entire stick.
14:41.34Bushmillscesar_CR: oh, thanks for coming up with some additional details about a possibly cause of your problem. takes away the fun though of blindly guessing.
14:41.44youseidbmoodb: The bios does not reckognize the stick as a bootable media.
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14:42.27dbmoodb...... ..... perrhaps it is not possible cureently (cyclinders or blah) try on a diff pc...
14:43.08cesar_CRBushmills: very sorry man...
14:43.08Niko_i have started to install the newest ati driver. The installer ask me for the installation path which path should i choose?
14:43.11Bushmillscesar_CR: strace it, check for lock files it comes across (and refuses to proceed because of those)
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14:43.58youseidbmoodb: Heh, i need to install on this given pc. And if I do the "zcat an image" to the stick then it boots. I just dont want to use that method, as I want to add other partitions later.
14:44.18uresI can't install kde4 on a fresh install...can anyone help?
14:44.22MrBrushI would like to set 3 cronjobs, 3 php file scripts should be run, how can I do this?
14:44.29MrBrushhow can I do this?
14:44.51themilldpkg: tell ures about kde4
14:44.55BushmillsMrBrush: you could wget them from your cronjob
14:45.05cesar_CRBushmills: what should I do ?
14:45.10Bushmills(the php files, i mean)
14:45.10MrBrushBushmills: how you mean wget?
14:45.13stewMrBrush: man 1 crontab ; man 5 crontab
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14:45.26MrBrushI know how to set a cronjob
14:45.27MrBrushI just need to know how to executue the php scripts
14:45.38stewMrBrush: php /path/to/foo.php
14:45.46BushmillsMrBrush: assuming that it is your web server which is supposed to run the php files ... wgetting them from your web server causes them to run
14:45.48stewMrBrush: (after you install the php5-cli or php4-cli packages)
14:46.26BushmillsMrBrush: for stand alone php files do what stew says
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14:49.14MrBrushwhich file is the global cronjob file in?
14:49.55twobitworkMrBrush: well... there's /etc/cron.*
14:50.27twobitworkMrBrush: there's also root's crontab...
14:50.34twobitworkI'm not sure what you mean by "global"
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14:51.01valdynMrBrush: /etc/crontab shouldnt run your jobs directly
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14:54.10wols_CoolCold: you need the firmware as it says
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14:57.49hjbHi. My system needs the genrtc driver instead of the rtc module, but rtc is loaded by the hotplug subsystem at boot time
14:57.59hjbHow can i tell it to load genrtc instead?
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14:59.49pasky(It looks like the answer to my question is ivman.)
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15:00.26pythonichi! how do i turn off the backlight?
15:01.04stewpythonic: which version of debian are you using?
15:01.11liablexdms? or xset or similar
15:01.15pythonicetch
15:01.25stewpythonic: which driver?
15:01.46pythonicnv
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15:04.10stevil_is there away for a root user, to take over someone else screen with the "gnu screen" command? because when i try to take over a screen session from a normal users, then it doesn't find the screen which i'm specifying althoug it exists
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15:04.50Bushmillsstevil_: screen -dr, and you can specify the session
15:05.33AlteKiethi all, Can anybody tell me what I can do to prevent these syslog messages from appearing: "ntop[5338]:   **WARNING** packet truncated (40934->8232)"? My MTU is set to 1500, the packets are always truncated to 8232...
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15:05.47stevil_Bushmills: no i mean, i have a user called "stevil" for instance, which start up a screen, but as user "root" i want to take over his screen,  if i specify the session id from the stevil screen as root, then it doesn't find the screen
15:05.55stevil_Bushmills: There is no screen to be detached matching 26784.
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15:06.10pythonicgoogle says: vbetool dpms off
15:06.17stevil_even though 26784 is the correct screen id for the "stevil" user
15:07.46hjbto answer my own question: /etc/modprobe.d/pnp-hotplug contains an alias to rtc.  Changend it to genrtc now, which should solve my problem
15:07.50pythonicyeah, vbetool turns off the backlight :-)
15:08.42asgstevil: maybe using -r (see the manpage)
15:08.53stevilasg, no that doesn't work
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15:09.59stewstevil: su - stevel -c screen -D -r 26784
15:10.04stewor somesuch
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15:12.00Bushmillsstevil: precede pid.tty.host  with  user/
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15:12.04fedyawhat's the command line for dpkg-buildpackage someone showed it to me yesterday but i forgot to save it
15:13.06Bushmillsthat is, screen -dr stevil/26784
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15:16.07AlteKiethi all, Can anybody tell me what I can do to prevent these syslog messages from appearing: "ntop[5338]:   **WARNING** packet truncated (40934->8232)"? My MTU is set to 1500, the packets are always truncated to 8232...
15:16.14anddamhi
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15:18.25bullgard4"detlef@MD97600:~$ echo $LANG; de_DE.UTF8." What program sets $LANG?
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15:20.13bzrkbullgard4 dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:20.30bzrkthen set LANG = whatever
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15:21.56themilldpkg: tell bullgard4 about locales
15:22.48defacei'm trying to get madwifi working on an atheros  AR2413 .. but getting " wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)"
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15:23.13defacegoogles showing some old fixes, i'd thought it would have been updated by now
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15:24.01CoolColdwols_: firmware exists, but looks like i need modified initramfs scripts
15:24.14CoolColdentaro_: hello, yandexoids ;)
15:24.48liabledeface: try #madwifi
15:24.51bullgard4themill: You did not answer my question.
15:25.07JemtGreetz. Could someone with a nVidia graphics card please tell me what the following command displays:   hwinfo --gfxcard | grep "  Vendor"
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15:25.19JemtI need to know if it contains the word "nvidia"
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15:25.32Jemt(good chances but I need to make sure)
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15:25.40Bert_2Hi, I'm trying to setup dns subdomains, these are my records (setup by the provider): http://bhack.net/~bert/images/dnsrecords.jpg and this is my apache configuration: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16963/ why isn't it working ?
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15:28.24Bushmillsstevil: that assumes stevil session has been set for multiuser.
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15:28.58defaceliable, sure, but it its debian specific, works fine in gentoo
15:29.43chopsbullgard4: A lot of programs can potentially set $LANG; I think /etc/environment may be the preferred place to set it
15:29.55chopsbullgard4: You can also set it just for your own user in (e.g.) ~/.bash_profile
15:29.59liabledeface: does gentoo use the patch 5007 hal?
15:30.08liables/patch/patched/
15:30.17defacenot sure
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15:40.44wols_CoolCold: I already responded to you
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15:41.32liabledeface: see http://madwifi.org/ticket/1679
15:41.50liablea tarball is available at the start of that ticket.
15:42.04liablethere is actually a new hal just been released which you can try
15:42.21liableits a branch in svn
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15:43.15tvynrHello, all.  Here's a bit of an odd request.  I just had to kill -9 qemu and now my mouse is locked.  Anyone have any idea how to unlock it?
15:43.46stewtvynr: how is the mouse attached?
15:43.57tvynrhmm, good point; it's a USB
15:43.58tvynrone sec
15:44.02stewtvynr: try "modprobe -r usbmouse ; modprobe usbmouse"
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15:44.30youseitvynr: or maybe if you have it running try killing virt-manager or libvirt too?
15:45.01tvynrI don't have virt-manager or libvirt in ps.  I tried fiddling with the mouse modules; no dice.
15:45.07tvynrI also reconnected the mouse just now.
15:45.21tvynrI don't think it's the device.
15:45.36youseitvynr: are you in x?
15:45.40tvynrWhen you press Ctrl-Alt, QEMU locks and hides the mouse in the X server so it can trap the mouse input for the guest OS.
15:45.44tvynrYeah, I'm in X.
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15:46.06tvynrI think I need to undo that lock, but starting a new QEMU and hitting Ctrl-Alt twice didn't fix it.
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15:46.32tvynrFortunately, I set up keyboard shortcuts to everything (K menu, Iceweasel, Konsole, etc.) long ago.
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15:46.44youseitvynr: tried restarting x then?
15:46.46tvynrI'm kind of tempted to see how long I can go without the mouse, but I have work to do today.  ;)
15:47.25tvynryousei: I'm sure restarting X would fix the problem... but I have some kind of expensive-to-close apps running.  Also, I have 12 desktops and opening everything back up is inconvenient.  :)
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15:47.31youseitvynr: sometimes its better to take the shortcut :-D i myself spent the whole day trying to install from a usb stick
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15:48.17adamamorning
15:48.18tvynryousei: Indeed; if I find myself lagging behind in work, I'll do just that.  But some of the apps I'm running right now would take quite some time to get back to their present state.  Also, I'm compelled to fix it.  :-P
15:48.28tvynr'morning, adama
15:48.52adamamy number pad moves my mouse cursor whether numlock is on or off. How do I get my numbers back?
15:49.04youseitvynr: sounds like a dangerous setup :-D im sure you have your reasons
15:49.20tvynradama: Using KDE?
15:49.25adamagnome
15:49.57tvynradama: hmm.  I know KDE has an option for controlling the mouse pointer via numpad.  Gnome likely has something similar, but I'm unfamiliar with the config UI.
15:50.14tvynradama: Try looking wherever your mouse is configured for a keyboard-mouse option?
15:50.37Bushmillsadama: in accessability, iirc
15:51.00Bushmillsaccessibility ...
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15:51.20ma3xis there a desktop zoom tool? for people that don't see good, to zoom a section of the screen?
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15:51.51simonrvn!tell ma3x -about search
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15:51.58Bushmillsma3x: xzoom. compiz.  ctrl-alt-plus/minus
15:52.02ma3xsimonrvn: i searched, nothing in particular found
15:52.04ma3xlet me see
15:52.09ma3xisn't compiz a desktop manager?
15:52.18ma3xeerr, window manager
15:52.24Bushmillsma3x: window manager, with hardware zoom support
15:52.29tvynrah ha
15:52.32CoolColdwols_: i guess u did, but i didn't really understood ur responce..
15:52.33tvynrthis is apparently an DSL mouse lock
15:52.40Bushmillsdefault on left-windowkey-mousewheel
15:52.49tvynrThe QEMU FAQ actually has some source that will supposedly unlock the mouse.  *goes to try it*
15:53.58Bushmillsma3x: i think my fav for selective zooming would be compiz, as it combines pan, and both smoothly
15:54.24ma3xBushmills: is ctrl+alt+-/+ for compiz only?
15:54.33Bushmillsno. X in general
15:55.03Bushmillsneeds a list of resolutions in xorg.conf
15:55.31chopsSo I have a general philosphical question: What's a good way to handle shared network storage to keep people from filling it up?  My immediate reaction is to put quotas in place, but I'm curious if the community knows of certain defined "best practices" for handling this
15:55.32Bushmills(not sure whether that's needed with modern - empty - xorg.conf)
15:55.49chopsAsking people to clean up their files, so far, hasn't worked very well :-)
15:55.54defaceliable, thanks; but seems that version has been removed. i'll work w/ the latest svn build though
15:56.16liableyou need the correct branch
15:56.30Bushmillschops:  "limit exceeded - rm -r"  :)
15:56.44chopsBushmills: I thought about just deleting every other file
15:56.59defaceliable, whatcha mean?
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15:57.20liabledeface: erm.. http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz  <-- is the tarball.
15:57.28liabledeface: its not the standard branch
15:57.34fedyaanyone familiar with libradiusclient-ng2? rc_read_config: can't open /usr/local/etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf: No such file or directory <-- getting this error when trying to start openser daemon, not really sure why it's trying to use it begin with
15:57.36defaceah
15:58.23liabledeface:
15:58.36Bushmillsfedya: /usr/local/... is outside of access by debian packages
15:58.38liablehttp://madwifi.org/browser/madwifi/branches/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6   <-- is the new brnch
15:58.38bzrkfedya looks like openser is configured for radius auth, either configure radius or reconfigure openser
15:58.48draeathanyone know how to get konqueror to ignore website-specified fonts? I want a particular font for "serif" "sans-serif" and "monospace" families...
15:58.59draeathie, eveyone wants to use helvetica which looks like crap
15:59.28wols_fedya: is this your debian backport?
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15:59.53fedyaopenser.cfg has no mention of radius in it, there must be a bug in the package it's looking for /usr/local/etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf but that file exists on debian as /etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf
15:59.54draeathnevermind...
16:00.02fedyawols_: yep, got it to work
16:00.06defaceliable, same w/ that  as well .. hmm - http://rafb.net/p/a9tWlC24.html
16:00.11fedyaexcept now the daemon wont start
16:00.26fedyai wrote a guide on how i did it
16:00.27wols_fedya: kinda doubtful since it uses /usr/local
16:00.32bzrkfedya tried to copy the file to /usr/local/etc to see what happens?
16:00.41fedyai was thinking of creating a symlink
16:00.45bzrkor that
16:00.55bzrkjust to check
16:01.01liabledeface: go ask in madwifi then
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16:01.40defacetheir of no assistance :( .. been waiting
16:01.42defacethanks again though
16:02.32JemtI have just installed  sun-java5-jdk  . Could someone tell my what directory contains the JDK? NetBeans need to know.   dpkg -L <package>  dosn't make me wizer
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16:02.47Jemtwiser*
16:02.56wols_Jemt: dpkg -L the jre
16:03.46Jemtwols_: No items comming up containing 'sdk' og 'jdk'
16:03.58fedyashouldi just turn /usr/local/etc into a symlink to /etc?
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16:04.53rgrdoes anyone have a working way to stop gnome-screensaver kicking in when mplayer is working? I tried the heartbeat solution but it still does not work.
16:05.10wols_Jemt: I said jre, not jdk or sdk
16:05.29Jemtwols_: I did a search on jre. But I need the files for the JDK for NetBeans
16:05.34JemtNot sure where they are located
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16:06.01wols_Jemt: you ignore what I say, I ignore what you say, we're both happy. have a good day
16:06.03diegLittle question: how can I changed the user password not interactively? ex: # pass user new_password
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16:07.10fedyarc_read_config: can't open /usr/local/etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf: Too many levels of symbolic links
16:07.35wols_ls -l /usr/local/etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf
16:07.43xlotluwhat's a simple and reliable way to automatically detect i'm on my home network? i was thinking ssh-ing with a private key into the server, but it seems rather cumbersome
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16:08.11liablexlotlu: with wpasupplicant
16:08.13fedyalrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 38 2008-06-05 12:06 /usr/local/etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf -> /etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf
16:08.25wols_ls -l /etc/radiusclient-ng/radiusclient.conf
16:08.30stewxlotlu: maybe laptop-net
16:08.39GrueliusWhat could cause ssh to freeze for a small period over a gigabit network with 0 packet loss? Samba freezes up aswell. I might just reinstall debain again and see if it still does it lol
16:08.48themillxlotlu: guessnet is set up for that.
16:09.09xlotluliable: not necessarily for wireless.
16:09.32xlotlualthough ieee 802 authentication over eth would be interesting
16:09.43fedyai do remember having to install that package on another distro a while back before openser would run, it's currently not configured for any kind of auth, maybe it uses that radius package internally somehow
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16:14.39JemtCould someone tell me the path to Java SDK ?
16:14.53JemtOn the file system
16:14.54fluxdudewhat is the reason for getting this message from apt-get upgrade?
16:14.58fluxdude"The following packages have been kept back"
16:15.05pdbogenWhat media players do people like? I used xmms before it was removed from Debian. WinAmp 2 and 5 way back in the day, and foobar2000 whenever I'm absolutely forced to use Windows. Audacious seems.. fragile and maybe a bit too klunky to me.
16:15.09fluxdudeshould I do an apt-get dist-upgrade in order to get past this?
16:15.13Jemtfluxdude: They have been kept back usually because of security bugs
16:15.24Grueliuspdbogen: winamp
16:15.31Jemtfluxdude: You could for a package installation but that's not recommended
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16:15.48chopspdbogen: I kind of like zinf, also look at xmms2
16:15.58chopspdbogen: I also miss xmms, it always treated me well more or less
16:16.05stewfluxdude: /msg dpkg kept back
16:16.10GrueliusHey guys, if my system lags periodically will reinstalling it help? fresh slate e .t.c.
16:16.19chopsGruelius: Probably not
16:16.22pdbogenchops: I looked at xmms2.. I didn't like it *at all*. I really don't like the "library" idea, nor do I want a clinet-server media player. Ugh.
16:16.24Grueliusif there are any cmd's i can run that would be great, ive got sys logs over 24 hours
16:16.27pdbogenI'll look at zinf, though..
16:16.35pdbogen..It's not in Debian.. :/
16:16.46chopspdbogen: Eh?  It should definitely be, one sec
16:16.49pdbogenActually, boarding time.
16:16.54pdbogenI'll be back in a little bit if I drop off.
16:17.07pdbogenOr, rather; I'll be back in a little bit, but not fo rlong.
16:17.29adamaBushmills: thanks
16:17.34chopsWow, zinf is removed.  Huh.
16:17.37GrueliusHeres a thread i made here http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=16&t=4829&h=
16:17.52Grueliusit has logs from sysstat graphed
16:17.54tvynrYeah, so still no luck.  I guess I should resign to restarting X.  :(
16:18.16tvynrI couldn't get the unlockmouse.c application to compile, but I don't think that would fix it anyway.  The problem appears to be in X.
16:18.31Grueliushttp://users.tpg.com.au/glbyers/tuxserver-iostats.xls.bz2
16:18.31Grueliushttp://users.tpg.com.au/glbyers/tuxserver-load.xls.bz2
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16:19.12spaceninjawhy symstemv?
16:19.23KU0NI know iI can specify the dns server in /etc/networkinterfaces, but I don't remember the syntax
16:19.29chopsHuh
16:19.35stewspaceninja: can you ask a more specific/detailed question?
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16:19.57chops"In January 2001, after 2 years of funding the project EMusic pulled their support, and subsequently fired the developers. The Zinf project was unable to find another sponsor, and development slowed greatly. The most recent release was made in early 2004."  I guess I should stop recommending it to people :-/
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16:21.01pdbogenDid we figure out why I can't find zinf?
16:21.49dutchfishhi, where can i find instructions to make a new .git.tar.gz debian package (3.0)?
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16:22.21pdbogenOnly in sarge...
16:22.21anddamI'd like to bind X and xfs to only one interface while still using tcp, I can't find how in man pages, can anyone help me with this?
16:22.24pdbogenWhy does Debian hate music? :(
16:22.38anddampdbogen: does it?
16:22.40tvynrpdbogen: chops just posted a quote indicating that "the Zinf project was unable to find another sponsor [in January 2001], and development slowed greatly.  The most recent release was made in early 2004."
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16:22.56fedyaoo. i think i accidentally made a redundant link
16:23.02tvynrpdbogen: I'm using XMMS right now.
16:23.04diegLittle question: how can I changed the user password not interactively? ex: # pass user new_password ?
16:23.04dutchfishpdbogen: it doesnt
16:23.13wols_anddam: I'm curious, which interface?
16:23.17pdbogentvynr: XMMS was dropped from Debian, as well..
16:23.28tvynrpdbogen: xmms=1.2.10+20061101-1etch1
16:23.30wols_XMMS itself stopped
16:23.32pdbogendieg: echo -e "password\npassword\n" | passwd <person>
16:23.35anddamwols_: I want to be closed on eth1 and still allows connections on eth0
16:23.40anddamallow*
16:23.42dutchfishpdbogen: pulseaudio, xmms2, rhythmbox ...
16:23.44diegthanks pdbogen
16:23.49Bushmillsdieg:  chpasswd
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16:24.12anddamwols_: we talked about the same topic earlier today but I couldn't figure it out anyway
16:24.15pdbogendutchfish: I haven't tried rhythmbox, but I didn't like xmms2, and I thought pulseaudio was more of an ESD replacement than a media player.
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16:24.46dutchfish!info pulseaudio sid
16:24.51dpkgpulseaudio: (PulseAudio sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 327 kB, Installed size: 1036 kB
16:25.18dutchfishpdbogen: it gives excellent sound quality if configured right
16:25.21pdbogenFrom apt-cache: "PulseAudio, previously known as Polypaudio, is a sound server for POSIX and WIN32 systems. It is a drop in replacement for the ESD sound server
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16:26.44pdbogenMan, I'm a picky bastard. :( Amarok is too KDE-y and Rhythmbox is too gnome-y. :/
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16:27.00anddamI wonder why didn't Apple port itunes to gnustep
16:27.15dutchfishpdbogen: you want frills or quality sound?
16:27.24Grueliuspdbogen: u can never get too kde-y :p
16:27.35pdbogenGruelius: Sure you can.. any KDEness is too much for me. :P
16:27.49dutchfish0.o
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16:27.57fedyais there a command line arg for hold for aptitude?
16:28.01pdbogendutchfish: Given the exclusive choice of the two, I'd take quality sound. But the quality of the interface is more important, even if that doesn't mean "frills."
16:28.01Grueliusah f**k this, im just going to reinstall debian on my server loll
16:28.10pdbogenI was very happy with xmms, but I do realize that it's now unsupported and was aging anyway.
16:28.14themilldpkg: tell fedya about hold
16:28.23pdbogenThat said, I really need to get in the line to board, so I'm out. Thanks for the pointers and discussion, folks.
16:28.25anddamwols_: ping?
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16:28.33Grueliusubuntu server - i get data corruption but samba works. Debain server - no corruption but it lags every now and then -.-
16:28.35dutchfishpdbogen: try rhythmbox
16:28.40webPragmatis1does copying the /etc folder also grab groups/users ?
16:28.51wols_pong
16:29.01wols_Gruelius: go to #ubuntu
16:29.04dutchfishhi, where can i find instructions to make a new .git.tar.gz debian package (3.0)?
16:29.18wols_webPragmatis1: yes. but not their ~ directories
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16:29.34wols_dutchfish: git.tar.gz debian package?
16:29.41dutchfishwols_: yes
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16:29.59dutchfishwols_: so far i only found this: http://wiki.debian.org/GitSrc
16:30.00themilldutchfish: I think wols_ was hoping you'd explain some more
16:30.03webPragmatis1wols_: does simply copying /etc/group and  /etc/passwd  do the same thing?
16:30.13wols_dutchfish: debian.org/GitSrc
16:30.21wols_dutchfish: one simple google
16:30.27Grueliuswols_:im using debian on my server atm so im sitting here
16:30.32wols_webPragmatis1: no. /etc/shadow- too
16:30.36dutchfishwols_: hehe
16:30.39webPragmatis1ok thanks
16:31.44cahootGruelius: you meantioned the u-word and triggered a reflex
16:31.51dutchfishthemill: i want a more convinient way to compile xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd from the git and its related mesa, the debian way of coarse
16:31.52Grueliuslol
16:31.57anddamwols_: what do you think: is it doable at all ?
16:32.03webPragmatis1wols_: whats the diff between shadow and shadow- ?
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16:32.28hellueshey
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16:32.38hellueswhat do you think about anjuta
16:32.46helluesanjuta is good for python or bad
16:32.55dutchfishthemill: the new 3.0 specs looks intresting for this
16:33.03helluesif it is bad can you adviseany gtk editor for python
16:33.53wols_hellues: eclipse+pydev
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16:34.22Grueliuson a gigabit network, if you take out hdd speed as a factor what speeds should i see when uploading to a server
16:34.23themilldutchfish: perhaps. Working with whatever tools the XSF people are already using would probably be better though.
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16:35.03dutchfishthemill: to be more precise i just want git --pull (the cloned source) and rebuild a git.tar.gz debian source packahe out of it
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16:35.31hellueshmm
16:35.56dutchfishthemill: or is this my simple delusion?
16:36.14hellueswols_,  eclipse-pydev-gcj
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16:36.26helluesmust i install gcj version or eclipse-pydev
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16:36.36hellueswhat is the difference between these two
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16:37.01themilldutchfish: basing your packaging in the current work that is being done is probably easier. This git format is only a storage format at present, it's not a build system. You need git-buildpackage (or whatever the equivalent is called; I'm only familiar with the svn/dpkg build tools).
16:37.32dutchfishthemill: bingo, hence my q
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16:37.48themilldutchfish: but you'd be better asking mentors these questions as you might find people who are doing this already. /msg dpkg mentors
16:38.13Grueliusdo 100mb computers affect 1gigabit traffic?
16:38.16dutchfishthemill: i am not skillfull enough to even think about asking a mentor ... duh
16:38.50wols_Gruelius: no. switch isolates
16:38.51themilldutchfish: the irc channel or the mailing list are the best places to ask these sorts of packaging questions though
16:39.02dutchfishthemill: ok
16:39.10asgGruelius: it would if you used a very stupid hub though
16:39.12Grueliusif i had a server sitting on a gigabit network, what speeds should i see coming down from it
16:39.19dutchfishthemill: thank you for the hints so far!
16:39.27themilldutchfish: no worries
16:39.33wols_Gruelius: not possible to say. too many variables
16:39.54Grueliusjust guess, using samba and the worlds fastest harddisk :p
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16:40.11wols_Gruelius: not possible to say. too many variables
16:40.17Grueliuslol
16:41.16mot_question
16:41.24mot_i setup a machine but didn't setup a swap partition on it
16:41.40mot_during the debian install, it said because i didn't do so, i couldn't suspend or force a hardware reboot, and some other stuff
16:41.43jellyGruelius: however, cifs/smb protocol is rather chatty.  nfs will usually be closed to wire speed
16:41.55Grueliusjelly: cheers
16:41.57mot_i'm not about to setup an initialize a swap, but it told me a specific package to install to get hardware cycling working with swap
16:42.08Grueliusis there any reason why mii-tool wont work on my adapter?
16:42.08dutchfishthemill: found something :) http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.html
16:42.18mot_as of right now, if somebody logs out of the system, instead of suspending it or whatever debian does, the system just goes black (doesn't shut off, can't kill x)
16:42.23dutchfishthemill: good hint ;)
16:42.23jellyGruelius: mii-tool is old, use ethtool
16:42.25mot_anybody know what the package is that i need to install?
16:42.26Grueliusmot_: i accidentally ran my server for 82 days without a swap
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16:42.46Grueliushome server with an assload of ram haha
16:42.46themilldutchfish: :)
16:42.51mot_well this machine has 8GB of ram so i skipped it
16:43.05mot_but it turns out some pretty important functions won't work without even having at least a small swap partition
16:43.11mot_the package was like..ushws
16:43.16mot_or ushwsus or something like that
16:43.18Grueliuswierd
16:43.24jellymot_: uswsusp
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16:43.42mot_bingo
16:43.45mot_there we go, that's all i wanted.
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16:45.02dutchfishthemill: is linda still the preferred one btw?
16:45.02themillmot_: you can suspend-to-disk into a swapfile rather than a swap partition, aiui.
16:45.02themilldutchfish: no, lintian. linda is dead.
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16:45.04dutchfishthemill: ok, thx
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16:45.29unixSnobI'm getting "name lookup timed out" when I run apt-spy -- yet dns works when I ping things; it's just slow because I have dialup.  Is apt-spy just giving up too soon?
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16:46.01unixSnobwonders how to make apt-spy more patient
16:46.12themillunixSnob: if you're on dial-up, then your modem will be the slowest part anyway so there's no point in trying to pick an ultra-fast mirror, just pick one that's reasonably close to you.
16:46.43unixSnobthemill: right.. I figured that.  I just wanted to see it work.  dialup is temporary right now
16:46.54themillahh
16:47.09unixSnobI also think i'm more of a burden on the network if I don't pick a close mirror
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16:47.23unixSnobBut from my own performance standpoint, shouldn't matter
16:47.33dutchfishthemill: i got R610 with dri working (kind off)
16:47.34themillunixSnob: but close != fast and apt-spy will just pick the fastest.
16:47.58unixSnobtrue - guess I don't need perfection
16:48.07hellueswols_,  Please configure a Python or Jython interpreter in Window -> Preferences -> PyDev
16:48.07helluesbefore creating a new Pydev project i took this warning
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16:48.10hellueswhat can i do
16:48.14unixSnobI suspect fastest is close enough in most cases
16:48.20themilldutchfish: good stuff
16:48.34themillunixSnob: yes, usually that's the closest choice too
16:48.39wols_hellues: do what the helpful message says
16:48.42Bushmillsover modem, apt-spy will probably not know which one is fastest
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16:49.12Bushmillsas result, about any would do, and the decision may be a split-byte one. local effects on machine may even affect it.
16:49.14helluesconfigure python jython
16:49.21unixSnobBushmills: I suspect the ping from my ISP to the servers will vary
16:49.23hellueshow can i do this i dont know
16:49.36wols_hellues: go to the fucking dialog
16:49.49wols_hellues: do you need a mosue clicking tutorial?
16:49.59BushmillsunixSnob: apt-spy looks for data transfer speed, not for ping time.
16:50.07Heavy-DMicrosoft is bloody useless sometimes. ugh.
16:50.10hellueswols_,
16:50.12Heavy-D's head asplodes.
16:50.18helluesyou are so cute
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16:50.20hellueshahahaha
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16:50.47Bushmills(maybe ping time is taken into account too not entirely sure, but transfer speed is the most important factor)
16:50.54wols_hellues: it's stupid to insult people who are trying to help you. regulars in here takt a bad view of that
16:51.50helluesi looked at window-preferences-pydev
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16:52.02helluesbut i dont know what must i do
16:52.12wols_hellues: insult someone else. FOAD
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16:52.56bzrkwols_ you are the only one insulting here
16:53.32Grueliusis there a copying program that can tell me data transfer rates?
16:53.44Grueliusor soemthing i can use to dump data to a partition to test transfer rates
16:53.56bzrkGruelius time and dd maybe?
16:54.08simonrvnhdparm, stick the machine under load
16:54.09Grueliusah so i set a size for dd and time it
16:54.12Grueliussounds good
16:54.14bzrkyes
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16:54.36liberviscoHi
16:54.43Grueliusbzrk: one thing, how do i learn what it means by real user &sys
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16:55.13liberviscoDo you think it's better to install Ubuntu via alternace CD, the command line option (bare system) than to do a netinstall of sid?
16:55.32simonrvnyou can't do a netinstall of sid
16:55.37bzrkGruelius real time is total time, user time is your users time and system time is overhead
16:55.40cahootlibervisco: people here tend to recommend debian
16:55.54defrysknetinstall of lenny is possible
16:55.58defryskthen upgrade to sid
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16:56.01liberviscosimonrvn: well, then lenny, and then do an upgrade to sid :)
16:56.03liberviscoyeah
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16:56.27simonrvncmeme: fix your internet connection...
16:56.40asglibervisco: we'd suggest you not consider sid (/msg dpkg sid faq)
16:56.45liberviscocahoot: I know, but I'm hoping for an honest answer.. I am tempted to go with sid again, and want to avoid the default Ubuntu (with all the bloat), but rather build my system myself..
16:56.45Grueliuscheers
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16:57.28defrysklibervisco, if you use sid be prepared for breakage off and on
16:57.31liberviscoSo instead of sid perhaps just doing hardy with a command line install might be what I would get with sid, only slightly more stable
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16:57.46BushmillsunixSnob: some mirrors seem to suffer from recurring problems. as far i try to avoid an irish and an italian mirror, as they suffered from corrupted files or occasional downtimes. interesting that those mirrors where often found to be the fastest by apt-spy for me. i was thinking, maybe others avoid them too, and therefore they are fast.
16:57.48simonrvn*blink*
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16:58.03liberviscodefrysk: yeah, that's why I'm wondering this :)
16:58.11unixSnobran "aptitude install gcc-4.1", and got the message "no packages will be installed, upgraded, or installed". It took no action, and I still don't have gcc.
16:58.15simonrvnsighs
16:58.21defrysklibervisco, stick to testing, its pretty close to sid and more stable
16:58.33asgunixSnob: install build-essentials
16:58.40wols_unixSnob: dpkg -l |grep gcc
16:58.40asgunixSnob: install build-essential
16:58.43simonrvnessential*
16:58.44defryskuses sid however
16:58.51liberviscodefrysk: actually, I heard testing can be worse than sid, that bugs are fixed more slowly..
16:58.59unixSnobBushmills: well I'm experimenting w/ different mirrors in part because of other problems possibly w/ current mirrors
16:58.59asgsimonrvn: I had a vision of shampoo in my head for some reason
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16:59.07simonrvnhehe
16:59.08unixSnobthanks folks.. I'll try that
16:59.18defrysklibervisco, as far as security is concerned you should stick to etch
16:59.30liberviscoOh no :P
16:59.40defryskfor desktop lenny is ok imo
16:59.45liberviscoEtch is a little beneath my threshold ;)
17:00.50liberviscoAnyway, I'm thinking Ubuntu is just debian... and alternace CD bare install is even closer, so that seems like a sid, but without some of the sid disadvantages :)
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17:01.15GrueliusSo if im testing filesystem performance should i use real+sys from time? or usr aswell?
17:01.16chopslibervisco: Ubuntu is not just Debian
17:01.20defryskdoes not like ubuntu (anymore)
17:01.21liables/disadvantages/advantages/
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17:01.40liberviscoI just wondered if anyone knows any other disadvantages with Ubuntu bare install that I am not aware of.. like for example will it still impose the bloat via its metapackages even if I install everything myself?
17:01.56liberviscochops: in what sense?
17:01.58wols_libervisco: ECHAN
17:01.59chopslibervisco: Probably better to ask #ubuntu
17:02.01halflife08libervisco: aks in  #ubuntu
17:02.04Bushmillslibervisco: maybe #ubunutu can tell you?
17:02.05defrysklibervisco, I never used the live cd install in my ubuntu days
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17:02.22libervisco#ubuntu tends to be too crowded to be useful unfortunately
17:02.26defryskthe txt install is same as lenny install
17:02.34liablelibervisco: and we dont care
17:02.36liberviscoyeah
17:02.37wols_libervisco: you are OT with that question here
17:02.39liberviscoer
17:02.40efaistosanyone for a dual screen issue --> http://rafb.net/p/y1fPqO46.html ... Trying to restart X and cant :(
17:02.49dutchfish!ubuntu
17:02.49dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
17:02.58liberviscowols_: actually I am asking about *debian* sid vs ubuntu command line
17:03.01unixSnob"aptitude update" results in a bunch of warnings about not being able to stat package sources.  I get this all the time.  Does it mean I have a bad mirror?  I think it's set to debian.org right now
17:03.01chopslibervisco: Well, it's simple logic.  If Ubuntu were Debian, it'd be called "Debian" and come on the Debian install CDs.  There are differences enough that it's worthwhile for it to be different, and for people to prefer to use it over Debian in some cases.  Therefore, it's not Debian.  QED.
17:03.06liberviscoso it's not a solely ubuntu question
17:03.10efaistosthe card is 40:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B64 [FireGL V3100 (PCIE)] (rev 80)
17:03.15asgwtf is ubuntu command line?
17:03.31asglibervisco: simple answer, they are different. Move along.
17:03.33defrysklibervisco, ask in #ubuntu about the alternate cd install
17:03.41liberviscoasg: in alternace cd you have the "command line system" option
17:03.42chopslibervisco: "will Ubuntu still impose the bloat via its metapackages if..." is an Ubuntu question
17:03.42wols_libervisco: ask #linux then. in here debian is the bestest and ONLY OS
17:03.46efaistosnobody  ?
17:03.58Bushmillslibervisco: "libervisco: I just wondered if anyone knows any other disadvantages with Ubuntu bare install that I am not aware of.." that's clearly an ubuntu specific question.
17:04.00liableasg: i think it just means they have the -lol switch
17:04.09asglibervisco: yes, that's just w/o X and other bloat.
17:04.22liberviscoBushmills: disadvantages compared to debian sid I meant
17:04.32Bushmillslibervisco: how should we know?
17:04.33liberviscowhen installed bare
17:04.34wols_!tell libervisco about why debian
17:04.41wols_libervisco: that's all you will get here
17:04.41themilldpkg: tell libervisco about why debian
17:04.42asgliable: or -pebcak
17:04.56wols_themill: this time I was faster ;)
17:05.00themill:(
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17:05.03liberviscowols_: oh those are links, I'm on console now, no browser yet ;)
17:05.13liberviscobut anyway, alright :)
17:05.14wols_lynx
17:05.27liberviscoI guess I should just try it myself..
17:06.05liberviscobut for me Linux computing really comes down to a choice between sid (usually bare install and up) and ubuntu (preferrably bare as well atm)
17:06.27unixSnobwhere does apt-spy stash its mirror list?
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17:07.30liberviscoAnyway, I heard there is an aptitude GUI in the works?
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17:07.45themilllibervisco: are you a troll?
17:07.46wols_libervisco: ever heard of synaptic?
17:07.51defryskhehe
17:07.52asglibervisco: it already has one
17:07.58BushmillsunixSnob: funny. the man page tells that.
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17:08.15liberviscothemill: no man..
17:08.17liablewols_: synaptic is a front-end to apt-get
17:08.32wols_liable: shows how often i use it
17:08.34liablethere is a GSC project for an aptitude front end
17:08.37liberviscoyeah
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17:08.46liberviscoI mean front-end to aptitude, not apt-get
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17:08.56unixSnobBushmills: sorry
17:08.58dutchfishefaistos: did you went the fglrx way?
17:09.04liberviscooh GSC.. gonna google it..
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17:09.52dirksonHey all. Where does debian keep its apache binaries?
17:10.03YeTr2dirkson: somewhere in /usr ?
17:10.29dirksonYeTr2: See, that's what I would have thought : ) Any chance you know what they're called?
17:10.32asgdirkson: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep <wtf you are looking for>
17:10.33stewlibervisco: if you run "aptitude" by itself it gives you a clicky gui
17:10.51efaistosdutchfish: no ...
17:10.52liableclicky?
17:10.55YeTr2dirkson: yeah, I was gonna say use dpkg to list the files from packages.
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17:10.57liablenot really
17:10.58dirksonasg: Fun!
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17:10.59efaistosdutchfish: worked under fedora
17:11.00wols_dirkson: dpkg -L the packages
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17:11.10efaistosbut installed a debian instead :P
17:11.19fedyacan i specify for dpkg-buildpackage to use a control file somewhere else?
17:11.23liberviscostew: yeah, but it's still ncurses... and not quite as convenient as something like synaptic :)
17:11.27efaistostried the fedora xorg conf gile but didnt work ...
17:11.33wols_libervisco: edit the control file instead
17:11.41liberviscobut synaptic has all the disadvantages of apt-get so I was wondering..
17:11.56liberviscowols_: I mainly use GUIs to search for packages..
17:11.58wols_libervisco: what disadvantages?
17:12.06stewncurses is more convienient in my mind.  it more often usable
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17:12.20meme22heya, when is the next version of debian planning to come out?
17:12.28wols_!tell meme22 about WIR
17:12.29liberviscowols_: well, like not remembering which exact packages were installed when doing metapackages..
17:12.31defryskwell synaptic is able to uninstall a complete os to resolve a dependency
17:12.37wols_libervisco: wrong
17:12.37defryskso thats cool
17:12.44stewmeme22: whenever we get rid of the remainning release critical bugs
17:12.47liberviscowhen you remove it removes just a metapackage instead of everything it links to
17:12.49defryskI mean aptitude
17:12.50liberviscoor so I heard
17:12.52defrysksorry
17:13.04wols_libervisco: you're still wrong
17:13.05liberviscoalso aptitude has a safe upgrade thing
17:13.26themilllibervisco: stop blathering and start reading.
17:14.05liberviscoReading what?
17:14.14wols_!tell libervisco rtfm
17:14.26wols_the manuals of the programs you apparently don't know anything about
17:14.27themilllibervisco: you could ask google all these questions
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17:15.01wols_themill: best no more feeding
17:15.11themill*nod*
17:15.26liberviscowow
17:15.33liberviscoYou are really convinced I'm a troll?
17:15.41liberviscoReality check in order. but whatever
17:15.53meme22wols_: I am setting up a server for a school and am thinking about using debian on it, I can either do it now to get it out of the way, or do it in the september. If a new version will be out before september I would prefer to wait. What sayest you?
17:15.57stewlibervisco: aptitude's safe-upgrade is no different than 'apt-get upgrade', which, i'm assuming exists in synaptic
17:16.33wols_meme22: that any announced debian date for any release is bullshit. always was, always will be
17:17.08stewmeme22: there is no way to accurately predict when lenny will be released, becuase it depends on fixing bugs that haven't even been discovered yet
17:17.13themillmeme22: don't wait for it unless you want to instead be doing it in March next year.
17:17.14SparFuxStrange! Frequently after installing or upgrading I get a blank screen every time I start aptitude. I first have to start it on console in text mode and then I can start it in X again.
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17:17.41defacehmm, how do you view flash videos on cnn in iceweasel .. says browser not supported
17:17.42dutchfishmeme22: use stable, later you can upgrade quit well
17:17.52dutchfishs/quit/quiet
17:18.10wols_deface: with flashplayer. and possibly user-agent-switcher
17:19.15defacelame, so they rebrand and replace agent
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17:19.38blubberdiblubSparFux: are you using gpm? i also seem to have some problems with gpm. aptitude hangs from time to time waiting for some never-arriving event until i switch to the console and move the mouse a bit in order to get gpm to respond
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17:20.06stewdeface: debian doesn't have much of a choice
17:20.39defacestew: considering they're one of the only linux rls's to rebrand .. i think not
17:20.44SparFuxbubblerdiblub: I haven't been using gpm with aptitude so far. But basically yes, gpm is running on my machine.
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17:20.47stewdeface: well they have the choice of not being able to fix security bugs, or not providing firefox at all
17:21.04stewdeface: what other choice does debian have?
17:21.07meme22thanks stew, themill, dutchfish
17:21.18themilldpkg: tell deface about why iceweasel
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17:21.20blubberdiblubSparFux, well, that's it then i guess. aptitude tries to use gpm when it is available
17:21.21defacestew: fix their license
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17:21.44themilldeface: debian can't change mozilla's licence. Only mozco can do that.
17:21.51stewdeface: debian cannot fix the license to the software they don't own the copyright to.  so it would be up to firefox's copyright holders, not debian to fix the license
17:21.54defaceim well aware of why
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17:21.56dutchfishmeme22: if you choose stable i would help you where i can, i did some projects for schools myself, plan carefully, good luck
17:22.02themilldeface: it would seem not.
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17:22.18defacewhy not drop in a non-supported package ?
17:22.29meme22thanks dutchfish :)
17:22.42stewdeface: you mean why not provide pacakges which have known security problems?
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17:22.55themilldeface: that was the other option and it was of course considered. But then you'd come in here complaining that debian not having firefox was lame.
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17:23.16defacestew: mozco is pretty quick to patch a security hole/flaw .. not like debian is any faster
17:23.33abrotmandeface: you're missing the point of Debian "stable"
17:23.36stewdeface: they don't patch older versions that ship in debian
17:23.39enjahovai am trying to grep for a chinese character in debian, while I can get the character just fine from SCIM it does not seem to be getting to the command right (i am sshed to a debian server)
17:23.52defacestew: so debian shouldnt 'ship' old packages .. lol
17:23.57abrotmanquit trolling
17:24.03SparFuxblubber: And by trying gpm one time it is then ok and will run on X again?
17:24.07defacenot trolling, its a valid point
17:24.12meme22hey cmeme
17:24.15abrotmanno .. it's not
17:24.27defaceim used to bleeding edge, gentoo
17:24.31abrotmangood for you
17:24.32stewdeface: debian is not going to stop providing the "stable" release
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17:24.45defacei have quite a few debian servers, but never actually liked the desktop; now i remember why
17:24.49themilldeface: no they're not to quick to patch flaws. They are quick to release a new version which is not compatible with the old version (necessarily) hence not fit for use in debian stable.
17:25.10blubberdiblubSparFux, well, yes, for me it works. when aptitude hangs, i switch to the console, move the mouse a bit, switch back, and voila, aptitude magically continues doing what it is supposed to ;)
17:25.14defaceaight, i'll chalk it up to debian lacking speed in releasing 'stable' versions
17:25.20abrotmangood .. have a nice day
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17:25.29SparFuxblubber: ah. hm...
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17:25.45stewdeface: debian cannot release a new stable version everytime a security flaw is found in firefox.  that would defeat the entire purpose of stable
17:25.46SparFuxi will try next time it happens.
17:26.07dutchfishdeface: debian has one of the best desktops, more stable then eveything i have tested <period>
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17:26.38ningquestion gentlemen
17:26.40stewdeface: and i'm guessing this is why you don't run gentoo on your servers, becuase you actually appriciate 'stable'
17:26.48ningi'm running lenny here and i'm getting an error on boot: [ 28.872000] iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.01 (11-Nov-2006)
17:26.48ning<PROTECTED>
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17:26.55Heavy-DSilly question guys.... is Debian as useable for desktops as Ubuntu or would Ubuntu would be recommended more. (I happen to really like Debian for servers but never tried for desktops)
17:26.56ningif i go to kmenu -> end current session
17:27.07abrotmanHeavy-D: i use it on my desktops
17:27.07ninginstead of refreshing and putting me back at the kdm login, i just get a black screen
17:27.11ningcan't kill x, can't do anything
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17:27.14ningany suggestions?
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17:27.25stewHeavy-D: try them both,  use whichever annoys you less
17:27.27dutchfish!debianlove
17:27.27dpkgrumour has it, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org .
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17:27.42Heavy-DI do love Debian. mmmm
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17:27.58defacestew: nah, i've got triple the amount of gentoo servers
17:28.08fedyahow would i change the control file for a package, i was supposed to use packaging/debian-etch/control instead of debian/control
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17:28.21ninganybody?
17:28.22abrotmanwonders how many of those gentoo servers have firefox installed
17:28.39fedyaand when i try dpkg-gencontrol -cpackaging/debian-etch/control it asks for which package because the control file has more than one
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17:28.52stewfedya: what are you trying to do?  what package are you talking about?
17:28.59fedyaor should i just copy debian-etch directory to where the original is
17:29.03fedyaopenser
17:29.04dutchfishning: what kernel?
17:29.10ninguname -a
17:29.14stewfedya: where did this "debian-etch" directory come from?
17:29.15ningLinux jiangn 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
17:29.30fedyathey have it in the package
17:29.52fedyalast night i coudlnt get it to work and apparently there's a directory for debian-etch that has a control file that will work with etch
17:30.00fedyawont need all kinds of new libs
17:30.23dutchfishning: i had the watchdog bug in that one too, i stepped to 2.6.25-4 vanilla
17:30.35ningdutchfish, how do i do that?
17:30.58dutchfishning: 1. Wait till it got fixed 2. Compile your own kernel
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17:31.40dutchfish!tell ning about kp-mantra
17:31.50fedyai could just rename the debian dir to something else and copy the etch control files to debian
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17:32.09stewfedya: that comes from upstream, not from debian.  I'd look in the tarball for documentation. failing that, i'd try using to to replace the debian/ directory
17:32.23ningdutchfish, can you elaborate a bit more?
17:32.28ningis it a kernel issue, or a drivers issue?
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17:32.47dutchfishning: kernel modules
17:32.59ningso can i installed nvidia-kernel-common?
17:33.02ning-ed
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17:33.47dutchfishning: i dont know about nvidia, maybe someone else in here can explain that one.
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17:35.16dutchfishning: what does dmidecode tells you?
17:35.33ninghuh?
17:36.02fedyastew:  that doesnt seem to work i believe it's still using the old control file
17:36.03ninga ton.
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17:36.10fedyaE: Build-Depends dependency for openser cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libdb-dev can satisfy version requirements
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17:37.06dutchfishning: look in its output for the watchdog issue
17:37.16stewfedya: what exactly did you do?
17:37.27stewfedya: if you did what I'm suggesting, the old control file wouldn't exist
17:37.27ningdutchfish, right, but how will that help me?
17:37.40fedyamv debian debian.bak; cp -R packaging/debian-etch debian
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17:37.57dutchfishning: the conclude if its a kernel issue, and not a missinstall of nvidia drivers
17:38.06stewfedya: so you are saying that somehow it is finding and using the control file that is in debian.bak/control ?
17:38.09fedyait must be in the apt cache or something?
17:38.14fedyayes
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17:38.15vjoehey
17:38.17stewfedya: not possible
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17:38.36fedyai'm thinking when the source package is installed it caches the control file as it extracts it
17:38.44stewfedya: it doesn't
17:38.46stewfedya: what makes you say it is using the old control file?
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17:39.09fedyathat dependency problem shouldn't happen if it's using the control file from debian-etch
17:39.17fedyai know that libdb4.4 is available in etch
17:39.20stewfedya: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:39.28dutchfish!tell ning about nvidia-oneliner
17:41.15ningdutchfish, what's nvidia-oneliner?
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17:41.54fedyahttp://pastebin.com/d366d4137
17:42.02dutchfishning: look at dpkg message
17:42.47stewfedya: apt-get build-dep uses information from sources.list, you have to fetch the dependencies manually
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17:43.04ningjiangn:/var/log# apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:43.04ningReading package lists... Done
17:43.04ningBuilding dependency tree
17:43.04ningReading state information... Done
17:43.04ningE: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686
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17:43.17ningso much for that working
17:43.17themilldpkg: tell ning about paste
17:43.17fedyai've done that
17:43.26fedyahm so i just need to start building then?
17:43.31ninglong story short, what repo has nvidia-kernel in it?
17:43.36ningbecause that oneliner didn't find it
17:43.36stewfedya: sounds like it
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17:43.52wols_ning: what debian branch?
17:43.57ninglenny
17:44.04wols_there is no nvidia drivers in lenny
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17:44.16ningwell maybe this isn't my issue. let me re-explain it
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17:44.21ningif i go to kmenu -> end session
17:44.22wols_and the one liner doesn't work in lenny either as the factoid tells you: nvidia_post_etch
17:44.28ningscreen goes black, can't kill x, no cursor. can't do squat
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17:44.54ningi don't even really know if it's a card issue or not.
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17:45.17dutchfishand a watchdog issue
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17:46.18ningwhat is nvidia_post_etch am i supposed to assume it's a package or what?
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17:46.50ning!tell nvidia_post_etch
17:46.57dutchfishning: forget the nvidia-oneliner
17:47.07ningmeh okay
17:47.18ningi'm stuck. i don't know if this is a kernel issue or a gfx issue
17:47.19wols_<PROTECTED>
17:47.22ningi just need to rectify it asap.
17:47.30ningbecause i have this professor breathing down my neck
17:48.42dutchfishning: was this a clean install?
17:48.49ningyes
17:48.55ningwatchdog wasn't installed?
17:49.01dutchfishning: no
17:49.03ningi just did apt-get install watchdog and it installed the package.
17:49.24ningnow i'm afraid to reboot :D
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17:49.40dutchfishning: you should not need that
17:49.48ningthen what do i need man?
17:49.50wols_ning: what videocard is it?
17:50.14ningnvidia
17:50.21wols_try vesa for a change
17:50.31slxixhave you tried ssh'ing to the computer after it goes blank?
17:50.37fedyastew: what does it mean that apt-get build-dep uses sources.list? what does it use it for if the source package isnt installed and there's no way the 1.1 requires anything that high?
17:50.42ningjust swap out 'nvidia' for 'vesa' in xorg.conf?
17:50.48ningslxix, nope
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17:51.18wols_fedya: build-dep gets whatever is specified in the depencenies of the binary
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17:51.50fedyathe binary for 1.1 wouldn't have a dependency for libdb4.6 though?
17:52.02stewfedya: running apt-get build-dep using the information from /var/lib/apt/lists/*Sources which is the same as what is shown by "apt-get showsrc packagename" which is the information that is fetched from "deb-src" lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list when you run 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update'
17:52.05AlteKiethi all, Can anybody tell me what I can do to prevent these syslog messages from appearing: "ntop[5338]:   **WARNING** packet truncated (40934->8232)"? My MTU is set to 1500, the packets are always truncated to 8232...
17:52.07wols_it does as we've seen before
17:52.13fedyai thought build-dep found the dependency for the source package that you're tryign to build
17:52.27fedyaOH
17:52.30fedyathat makes sense
17:52.46BushmillsAlteKiet: that doesn't look like packet size, but source- and destination port to me
17:52.54fedyaso build-dep will fetch the dependency from the default control file that's in the repos, but i actually replaced
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17:53.19wols_fedya: not from any control file
17:53.32dutchfishwols_: we have now minimalistic xorg.conf in lenny so i dont know either how to change it to vesa as was the case with etch dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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17:54.04fedyauhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it just built version 1.3.0 from svn now it looks like
17:54.05wols_dutchfish: the fileformat stayed the same
17:54.11valdyndutchfish: im sure "man xorg.conf" has examples for a proper device section
17:54.30fedyaugh
17:54.35dutchfishwols_, valdyn ok (checking)
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17:55.45valdynAlteKiet: why would that message have a thing to do with mtu?
17:55.55stewfedya: the debian-etch/changelog has not been kept up to date
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17:56.32valdynAlteKiet: looks more like a broken router in your network that is truncating packages
17:56.46dutchfish!info nvidia-xconfig testing
17:57.14dpkgnvidia-xconfig: (The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0+20070502-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 184 kB
17:57.15valdynAlteKiet: not everything supporst jumbo frames
17:58.16fedyaso did i end up with the wrong version or what?
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17:58.34AlteKietvaldyn: ah, that makes sense
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18:02.46fedyahttp://pastebin.com/d32375f4a
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18:03.10fedyathis is what my directory looks like now, somehow the 1.3.0 files appeared from somewhere, but the currently running version is 1.3.2 strangely enough
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18:04.32stewfedya: when building a package it gets the version number from the top of debian/changelog
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18:04.48stewfedya: and you are using debian/changelog from upstream which they aren't keeping up to date
18:04.52bonyhow to add google groups to emacs/gnus?
18:04.57stewfedya: so fix that yoruself, or get upstream to fix it
18:05.09stewbony: try #emacs
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18:06.28fedyai guess ill have to fenangle the control files
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18:06.53bincgianyone getting this msg, + ??? root:nobody .. was reading some blogs cant seem to fix this.. keep getting + ??? root:nobody
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18:07.40slxixbincgi: in what context?
18:07.45Fareit looks like the version of rpm that ships with debian is broken and can't answer rpm -qp foo.rpm or any of the queries used by alien -i. What's the deal? (tried both rpm from stable and testing)
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18:07.47bincgisu[10203]: Successful su for nobody by root
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18:08.21bincgichecking the log file in auth.log
18:08.44AVRSHello. Will this minor and apparently easy to fix bug be fixed? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413825
18:09.06AVRSA game’s manpage contains also stuff from some other game’s manpage.
18:09.09SparFuxmy libcurl3 and libcurl3-gnutls packages are broken "B" in aptitude. What can I do?
18:09.17stewbincgi: that is a cronjob which is dropping privileges to nobody becuase it doesn't need to be root to do its work, and this way it is safer
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18:09.47bincgiright, did indeed check the cronjob didnt find .. let me grep it see where is it coming from
18:10.09AVRS(3 small paragraphs)
18:10.13wols_AVRS: is this transcend from unstable or from etch?
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18:10.29ningwhy does debian only want to us 4GB of my 8GB of ram?
18:10.32ningjiangn kernel: Warning only 4GB will be used.
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18:10.40wols_ning: 32bit debian
18:10.47ningdamn i was afraid you'd say that.
18:10.53dondelelcaroning: because you're using a 686 kernel instead of the bigmem kernel.
18:10.53bincgiwhats the max on 64
18:10.57dondelelcaroning: alternatively, use amd64.
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18:11.06dondelelcarobincgi: motherboard dependent
18:11.08ningi have an intel 64-bit processor though
18:11.08ningnot amd
18:11.09AVRSwols_: mine is from lenny/sid, but the version in etch is just half-dfsg "older".
18:11.10wols_ning: use a bigmem kernel. on 64bit it's 2^64
18:11.13bincgii see.. thank you guys..
18:11.18dondelelcaroning: it's the same chipset; so you do want amd64.
18:11.21wols_ning: then use amd64
18:11.28ningwhat's IA-64 then?
18:11.33dondelelcaro!ia64
18:11.34dpkgit has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*,  then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64
18:11.34wols_itanium
18:11.53ningi'm using dual xeon quad-core 64-bit processors.
18:11.59dondelelcaroif you paid less than 1K per core, you don't have an itanium.
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18:11.59ning:O so amd64 yea?
18:12.03dondelelcaroning: yes.
18:12.11baegleis there a way to figure out why a specific package is available for upgrade? For example, I see that openssh-client and openssh-server can be upgrade. How can I figure out what changes are being made and what risks exist?
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18:12.41ningalright. next quest. if i have a LVM setup that is full of data (with a seperate OS partition) if i reinstall the OS do i have to reconfigure LVM and start over from stratch?
18:12.43dondelelcarobaegle: check out the changelog; in those cases, it's because of the SSL DSA.
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18:12.48wols_baegle: if you don't dist-upgrade there is a high chance of a remote ssh exploit
18:13.05spreeuwHACKS
18:13.12baeglehow do I checkout the changelogs?
18:13.31AVRSbaegle: in aptitude, it is "C"
18:13.44dondelelcarobaegle: or visit packages.debian.org/packagename
18:13.45AVRSbaegle: you can also install apt-listbugs to see what bugs are known for the package
18:13.56dutchfish!apt-listchanges
18:14.00ningwols_, if i reinstall debian and have a separate LVM setup will the OS reinstall affect/screw up my LVM?
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18:14.03baeglethanks
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18:14.29AVRSbaegle: but apt-listbugs sometimes shows the bugs even if they have been fixed in the new version, so it is useful to check the bugs sometimes.
18:15.25AVRSnp
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18:15.52bincgistew: http://pastebin.com/m738e9a42  -  on grep
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18:16.57bincgi./etc/aliases nobody: root
18:17.13bincgido i change that to ? not clear..
18:17.42stewbincgi: i don't understand what you are asking
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18:18.18SparFuxtrying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libcares.so.2.0.0', which is also in package libc-ares1
18:18.28SparFuxSo libc-ares1 and libc-ares2 are incompatible?
18:18.31bincgimy apologies, bincgi: that is a cronjob which is dropping privileges to nobody becuase it
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18:19.07bincgiis this seem right.. http://pastebin.com/m6c99280f
18:20.31bincgianyone getting this msg, + ??? root:nobody .. was reading some blogs cant seem to fix this.. keep getting + ??? root:nobody
18:21.27NinjaManbincgi: yes that seems right
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18:21.48NinjaManbincgi: /etc/aliases is for mail transport only
18:22.09bincgii know.. however its using root
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18:22.42NinjaManbincgi: and root will get redirected gurumac
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18:23.19NinjaManbincgi: seel line 14
18:23.27bincgii see it , i m thinking
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18:25.07bincgii m not clear, looking at the msg + ??? root:nobody doesnt seem its right using nobody..
18:25.37fedyafinally works!!!
18:25.42SparFuxHow can I let both packages write to /usr/lib/libcares.so.2.0.0\
18:25.43SparFux?
18:25.52NinjaManbincgi what is msg+ ?
18:26.12bincgiNinjaMan, just wan a say thank you.. let me check
18:26.47bincgisu[10203]: Successful su for nobody by root -  + ??? root:nobody
18:27.04NinjaManbincgi: your welcome, how are you testing?
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18:27.16bincgii m looking in the log file auth
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18:29.09NinjaManbincgi: and what action/command are you using as the trigger?
18:29.18bincgiNinjaMan, seeing the msg making me panic lol
18:29.43bincgiNinjaMan, i m not sure, ..
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18:31.23NinjaManbincgi: what it is saying is that processes running as root are changing to user nobody - that is pretty common - particularly for daemons that start on boot who then drop priveleges (and thus change user)
18:32.12bincgiwell, its not droping it saying its been Successful su for nobody by root -  + ??? root:nobody
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18:32.36NinjaManbincgi: root changing to nobody, is dropping priveleges
18:32.55bincgiroot did this however, looking at next line + ??? root:nobody this doesnt make sence
18:32.56stewbincgi: yes, it is saying that the user "root" changed to the user "nobody" which has significantly fewer privileges than root
18:33.28stewbincgi: a script was running as root, and said, "it would be safer if i did this as 'nobody' instead of 'root'"
18:33.35bincginot sure where its coming from so i can change it..
18:33.42stewbincgi: why do you want to change it?
18:33.50bincgi+ ??? root:nobody
18:33.53bincgithats why..
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18:34.15bincgii m not sure, i m sorry i m just confused..
18:34.26stewbincgi: the ??? just means that it is nut running in a tty
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18:34.53sandmanI've been trying to weigh Linux VServer against Virtualbox for virtualizing my infrastructure...
18:34.54NinjaManbincgi: in other words it is background process
18:34.54stewbincgi: this is saying something not running in a tty changed from user root to user nobody
18:35.11stewnot necessarily background
18:35.21stewwhatever 'background' means
18:35.30sandmanIt seems Linux VServer may be a better solution, but I was just wondering if someone could offer a suggestion as to which they think would be best and why
18:35.36NinjaManstew: yes your are right, I'm just trying to make non-tty easier to understand
18:35.43stewsure
18:35.53bincgii see.. thank you for clarifying this for me ..
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18:36.20ma3xis there a way to 'resume' copying of one file to another on local hard disk?
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18:36.28NinjaManma3x: did your problem get solved yesterday?
18:37.02bincgiNinjaMan & stew, thank you for taking your time and explaining this for me..
18:37.07stewbincgi: in this case it was probabaly something like /etc/cron.daily/find which keeps the information returned by the locate command current (man locate)
18:37.14NinjaManbincgi: yw
18:37.19chopsma3x: How big are these files? :-) You could do it with rsync arguments I guess, but it would probably take about as long to read the target file for checksum verification as it would to recopy over it
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18:37.22ma3xNinjaMan: i'll have to test it again a few times
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18:37.34bincginice to know.. i don't need to change anything..
18:37.35ma3xchops around 1 gig
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18:38.13chopsma3x: It'll be faster to restart the copy, unless you can track down a way to resume it in near record time
18:38.51bincgiLOCALUSER="nobody" should i change that to user or its fine the way it is?
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18:39.26tokamoneHi! Could anybody help me with this tutorial: http://www.meine-wilde-ex.net/?uid=206985 ?
18:39.29stewbincgi: its fine the way it is
18:39.36ma3xI can't understand this: when im copying a file to usb stick, it copies at 27 MBytes per second, and after 300 mbytes it stalls. why?
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18:39.52bincginice.. thank you.. i set the nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin use to be /bin/bash
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18:40.17chopsma3x: Probably it fills up RAM cache until the kernel doesn't feel like devoting any more write cache to that copy, and then slows down to actually write to the stick
18:40.34ma3xchops: what should i do
18:40.44chopsma3x: Wait for it to copy? :-)
18:40.55ma3xyeah right
18:41.02ma3xfirst it goes 27 mbytes, then half mbyte
18:42.01chopsma3x: USB 1?
18:42.06ma3xchops usb2!
18:42.17chopsma3x: Are you _sure_? :-)
18:42.21ma3xyeah
18:42.47ma3xbut it works as usb 1 i'd say
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18:44.07ma3xis there a solution to this?
18:44.11sobersabrehi, I've done as follows:
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18:45.03sobersabredd if=/dev/zero of=myswap bs=1024 count=602112
18:45.09sobersabremkswap myswap
18:45.11pelegsuppose I want to make a debian package - where should I read about the standards that I have to know before I can do it?
18:45.15sobersabreswapon myswap
18:45.17sobersabreI got:
18:45.28ma3xwhy when i have 2 UUID=value in /etc/fstab and I type mount /media/location, it says UUID doesn't exist. and it won't mount not one of them?
18:45.36sobersabreswapon: /var/opt/swap0: Operation not permitted
18:45.40pelegat the moment all I have is php and bash scripts in several files, not more than that.
18:45.52sobersabre(well, I created the file named swap0)
18:46.19bincgihttp://pastebin.com/m63a35303 - installed denyhosts - anything fail2ban what else can i install?
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18:47.01keith4sobersabre: why are you not using a swap *partition*?
18:47.32wols_sobersabre: are you root?
18:47.51wols_and is the file root owned 600?
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18:50.08chopskeith4: I like swap files a lot better than swap partitions
18:50.11keith4sobersabre: what you're trying to do should work, if you're root
18:50.19sobersabrekeith4: this is a vps hosting, no partitions.
18:50.23keith4ah
18:50.24sobersabrewols_: yes, I am root.
18:50.29chopssobersabre: Have you run mkswap on the file?
18:50.40chopssobersabre: Are you sure that your vps setup allows you to mount swap space?
18:50.46sobersabrechops: yes, please refer to the commands transcript above.
18:51.03sobersabrechops: is it possible to block me from mounting swap space ?!
18:51.11sobersabrewhy would they do this ?
18:51.40chopssobersabre: If you're running in a VPS setup, it's possible for them to block you from running scripts that begin with the letter 'q' if they really want to.
18:51.43wols_you have a VPS and expect you to sawp?
18:51.47wols_you can't
18:52.01wols_and no you only have a fake root
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18:52.56wols_sobersabre: the whole kernel is "look but don't touch" for a VPS client. it's simply not yours. that includes memory management and swap
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18:53.31Nigromantehello
18:53.33sobersabrewols_: this is f**king bad news. I remember to have swap space in Xen.
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18:53.52ctx144khello all
18:53.53keith4sobersabre: did you post this last comment? ;-) http://www.go2linux.org/Swap-memory-increase-with-swap-file
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18:53.57Nigromanteanyone here using policykit in lenny ?
18:54.12wols_!tell Nigromante about anyone
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18:54.54sobersabrethis is Virtuozzo.
18:54.58sobersabrekeith4: no.
18:55.22keith4Viruozoo, or linux-vserver?
18:55.29keith4either way... I think wols_ is right. you're SOL
18:55.33Nigromantei want to know the advantages of using policykit if any, and how does it works in lenny
18:56.07chopssobersabre: Why is not being able to add swap space bad news?  Are you running out of VM space?
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18:57.00JemtGreetz. Is there a generic driver available for Intel graphic cards ?
18:58.00keith4i810?
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18:58.50chopsJemt: Yes.  It's called, surprisingly enough, the 'intel' driver :-) (in sid, in etch I think it's still i810)
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18:59.07akiohello
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18:59.16spreeuwman intel
18:59.25keith4choc: i think it's i810 in lenny, too
18:59.26akiois there a way i can control sound with an equalizer?
18:59.30keith4stupid tab complete
18:59.35keith4chops: ^^
19:00.00chopskeith4: Nope, it's been intel in lenny for some time I believe (though there's still a transitional i810 package)
19:00.08keith4ah, maybe that's it
19:00.44Jemtchops: Thanks :)
19:00.49chopsJemt: np
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19:03.15valdynakio: not simply
19:03.23akioi see that
19:03.34valdynakio: use a player that has its own equalizer
19:03.46akiowhats a good way to play music with this sort of control available through a package?
19:03.51valdynakio: ( or buy a card that has an equalizer on board )
19:03.57akiolol
19:04.13akioany common players that have this?
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19:04.23PhrkOnLshakio: amarok does
19:04.23valdynakio: xmms does, but i dont recommend it
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19:04.37akioi tried using xmms2 an i couldnt figure it out
19:04.51JemtAlso, is there a generic SiS graphic card driver available? I should work with all SiS cards
19:04.56akioi like Rhythmbox
19:05.00valdynakio: xmms2 is huge and still pretty much experimental
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19:05.14keith4rhythmbox has an equalizer
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19:05.25valdynkeith4: it does?
19:05.25adinchello, i've a source code of an application which needs g++ and it can't be compiled since i don't have this application, it claims that it is not installed, i've cpp can someon please tell me which package g++ the c++ compiler contains
19:05.33keith4doesn't it?
19:05.36keith4or am I crazy?
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19:05.47akionot in the plugins window im looking at
19:05.47valdynkeith4: youre crazy
19:05.57keith4uh... maybe I'm thinking of itunes
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19:06.01PhrkOnLshadinc: try apt-cache search g++. :)
19:06.05akiobass sounds horrible on my setup
19:06.12valdynakio: quodlibet and banshee both look like rhythmbox / itunes and have more features, i dont know about equalizers
19:06.13chopsadinc: aptitude install build-essential
19:06.14adincPhrkOnLsh: did you try it?
19:06.21adincchops thank you i just found it aswell
19:06.22PhrkOnLshNo, but you should be able to.
19:06.28adincPhrkOnLsh: try it
19:06.46akioapting banshee
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19:06.58PhrkOnLshadinc: pipe it through grep then, jeez :)
19:07.01keith4why the hell doesn't rhythmbox have an equalizer??
19:07.07akiolol
19:07.07adincPhrkOnLsh: wow
19:07.15akiognome devs are kinda busy
19:07.28akio?
19:07.29stewkeith4: you didn't add one yet?
19:07.33PhrkOnLshadinc:
19:07.34PhrkOnLshwanton:~# apt-cache search g++ |grep g++
19:07.34PhrkOnLshg++ - The GNU C++ compiler
19:07.39valdynkeith4: its not the job of rhythmbox to have an equalizer
19:07.42keith4stew: I just found out that it needs one!
19:07.42PhrkOnLshfirst result.
19:07.49keith4stew: i'll get right on it
19:07.53valdynkeith4: you should ask instead "why the hell does gstreamer not have an equalizer"
19:07.55akioi didn't think so either valdyn
19:07.57keith4ah, yes
19:07.59keith4valdyn: true
19:08.16keith4that makes me so sad
19:08.23akioi want to eventually move to pulse
19:08.27valdynor if everything is moving to pulseaudio.. why the hell doesnt it...
19:08.38keith4throws his hands up in disgust
19:08.38akiobut i have to understand "sinks" first
19:08.54valdynakio: theres not much you need to understand tehre, its quite automagic
19:09.12akiowell im pxeing a new install and maybe ill use pulse
19:09.14valdynakio: except if you need flash and / or skype
19:09.19akiodoes it work with etch no probs?
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19:09.34valdyn!info pulseaudio etch
19:09.57dpkgpulseaudio: (PulseAudio sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-5etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 285 kB, Installed size: 1016 kB
19:09.57valdynakio: i wouldnt yet use it in etch
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19:10.03akiolenny?
19:10.06valdynakio: but thats just me
19:10.09WarriorSlayerhey guys is a good ideia to get my lenny and doing a apt-get upgrade on a sid repository?
19:10.18valdynakio: because its debian defaults DO need some tweaking
19:10.24dondelelcaroWarriorSlayer: only you can answer that question
19:10.40WarriorSlayerdondelelcaro, i have a lot os apps that isn't working properly
19:10.48WarriorSlayermy gdesklets don't start
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19:10.54WarriorSlayerscreenlets is without transparency
19:10.58WarriorSlayercompiz isn't working
19:10.58valdynakio: i cant tell you, i actually had to adjust pulse config. Now that i did that it works fine, and i have no idea how it is on a new install
19:11.25akiowhat are you riunning?
19:11.25dondelelcaroWarriorSlayer: most of that isn't going to improve by upgrading to unstable
19:11.40WarriorSlayerhmm
19:12.01valdynakio: not important what im running, but its lenny
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19:12.23akioill figure it out eventually
19:12.28Juventinoguys, i'm trying to get glx to work on a Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) chipset on an HP laptop
19:12.31Juventinoany ideas?
19:12.32valdynakio: the point i was making is that when i installed pulseaudio it did not work for me out of the box, i cant tell you if those issues are dealt with better now
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19:12.52valdyn!any idea
19:12.52dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and 42 starving oxen.  And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours!
19:12.56akioi don't think they are, last time i saw that you had to mod pulse config
19:13.23akio!any idea
19:13.23dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 starving hamsters.  And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours!
19:13.35akioi like that one better
19:13.45akioi love the vegemite
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19:15.02wols_WarriorSlayer: do you have nvidiadrivers now?
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19:15.20WarriorSlayerwols_, yep
19:15.21JyZyXELdo you need to use crossover cable when connecting from NIC to NIC?
19:15.32valdynJyZyXEL: that depends on your nics
19:15.43JyZyXELoh really :O
19:15.49JyZyXELhow can i know?
19:15.53wols_usually yes
19:15.54valdynJyZyXEL: you need the feature of crossover cables, but some nics can do that themselves
19:16.05JyZyXELthat would be nice
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19:16.13JyZyXELhow do i know if they have this feature?
19:16.26valdynJyZyXEL: read the documentation
19:16.28Borushi im installing debian 40r2 on my laptop with ati and i get a black screen after the install boot
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19:16.32Bert_2hi, I'm in apache2 setting up virtualhosts for my subdomains but I have some unexpected behavior: when I put the www.domain (the standard domain) on top my blog. subdomain redirect to my main domain, when I put the blog. entry on top www. goes to the main site, .blog goes to blog, but the main site goes to blog. too, am I doing something wrong ?
19:16.33JyZyXELvaldyn of what?
19:16.36Borushow could i fix that?
19:16.39valdynJyZyXEL: of your nic
19:16.50JyZyXELi don't have documentation for it
19:17.01valdynJyZyXEL: oh noes
19:17.04wols_Borus: which ati chip?
19:17.10JyZyXELcan i figure it out with some tool?
19:17.12wols_Borus: and why 4.0r2?
19:17.18valdynJyZyXEL: like google?
19:17.34JyZyXELfirst i need to know whats the name of that feature
19:17.35asgJyZyXEL: why don't you test whether a straight of crossover or both work?
19:17.46pelegin which text editor can I limit the length of the lines to 80? or - with which linux command can I update a textfile s.t. the lines won't be wider than 80?
19:17.47JyZyXELi don't even have a crossover cable
19:17.47stewJyZyXEL: 'auto mdi-x' or some such
19:17.49wols_JyZyXEL: auto sensing
19:17.56asgJyZyXEL: then buy or make one
19:17.57Boruswols_: this is what my friend burned me, and with and old ati, i dont know which, it's a 3 years old laptop
19:18.04valdynJyZyXEL: you dont need a crossover cable to test if you dont need one
19:18.09valdynJyZyXEL: obvious, isnt it?
19:18.14wols_Borus: then find out. lspci
19:18.20wols_Borus: and/or use VESA as a driver
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19:18.54Boruswols_: i can't use lspci because i can't install the linux
19:18.56JyZyXELhmm im sure there is some ethtool that can figure this out
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19:20.17valdynJyZyXEL: why would there be a tool to test which cables you can use?
19:20.21valdynJyZyXEL: thats a new concept
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19:20.41valdynJyZyXEL: as linux has no business knowing what cables you use
19:20.56JyZyXELic
19:21.28Boruswols_: i have ATI Technologies Inc
19:21.28BorusRadeon Mobility 9600
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19:21.38valdynJyZyXEL: the kernel only needs to know if the link is up or not
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19:22.31JyZyXELlooks like it didn't work
19:22.35JyZyXELno lights came on
19:22.54valdynJyZyXEL: right
19:23.12JyZyXELdamn
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19:24.37maestrohello, how to find retired packages on debian system?
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19:26.00asgmaestro: /msg dpkg sdn
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19:26.02wols_Borus: vesa, ati and fglrx  drivers all work on your card
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19:26.13wols_maestro: what is a retired package?
19:26.16PrMoriartyhello i configure a pxe boot server and it works very well
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19:26.39PrMoriartythe only pb is it s launch me a normal install and not netinstall
19:26.50abrotmansame thing ?
19:27.28maestrowols_: ahm.. a package which has no candidate.. some packages are removed from debian.. but installed on my system.
19:27.33PrMoriartyand i take the initrd.gz and vmlinuz file from a netinstall cd
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19:28.00maestrowols_: i want to find these packages.. because they have no candidates.. so no updates will be available ..
19:28.18sobersabrechops: how can I check how much vmspace on a vps virtuozzo machine ?
19:28.20sobersabrevmstat ?
19:28.44chopssobersabre: I don't know.  'cat /proc/meminfo' would do it if it weren't virtuozzo.
19:28.45asgsobersabre: /proc/user_beancounters
19:28.57chopssobersabre: What's causing you to worry about it?
19:28.57maestroasg: i want to find packages on my system.
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19:29.27asgsobersabre: that's for openvz. Virtuozzo is a commercial product, I'd suggest their tech support.
19:29.32pinksockhello guru's and geniuses
19:29.53stewmaestro: try 'apt-show-versions'
19:30.33Level2TechI need to install PHP on my box, but on PHP's website they say that if I use apt, it will install version 4
19:30.53maestrostew: installing it.
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19:31.08asgLevel2Tech: apt-cache search php5
19:31.12stewLevel2Tech: what version of debian are you running?
19:31.16Level2Techetch
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19:31.27stewLevel2Tech: are you using apachee or apache2 or something else?
19:31.31wols_maestro: where did you get them? what's the name of one such package?
19:31.36Level2TechI need to check what version Im using
19:31.57stewLevel2Tech: you want either "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5" "aptitude install libapache-mod-php5" depending on if you are using apache or apache2
19:32.18Level2Techok, is there a command to tell me what version?
19:32.26maestrowols_: like php4 .. i have debian unstable.. so php4 has no more candidates
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19:32.48wols_maestro: php4 does not exist anymore. it's EOL. gone. won't be updated anymore.ever
19:32.51stewLevel2Tech: "dpkg -l apache apache2" would tell you which are installed
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19:33.06Level2Techok cool, ill try that in a few minutes
19:33.38stewwols_: he seems to be in agreement with you on that
19:33.55maestrowols_: yes, i know.. it was an example.. another examples: xvncviewer, linux-headers-2.6.22-1, libqbanking4 etc.
19:33.58zephyrdoes anyone have any ideas why my webcam shows only part of the picture it captures?
19:33.59wols_stew: well he wants updates for it. which won't ever come
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19:34.17maestrostew: apt-show-versions works for me .. thank you
19:34.20ningzomgz
19:34.21stewwols_: no, he doesn't want updates.  he wants to identify such pacakges
19:34.30ningquick help please. reinstalled debian etch on this system and installed nvidia-glx however when i go to start x it says no screens detected...
19:34.42asgning: /msg dpkg no screens found
19:34.43maestrowols_: yes right.. i only want to identify these packages..
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19:34.48wols_ning: what nvidia chip?
19:34.54zephyrI am not exactly a debian user, but in the past I did receive some useful tips here. :)
19:35.03ningasg: you're gonna have to paste that dpkg msg i'm using bitchx
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19:35.16asgning: it works, surprisingly, in bitchx as well
19:35.17davidmccabeIs 'apt-get update', by itself, a completely safe operation?
19:35.18ning02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 042f (rev a1)
19:35.21maestrowols_: apt-show-versions |grep "No available version"
19:35.25ninggood question. :P
19:35.26chopsArg; is there a way to delete an iptables rule without specifying it exactly (or giving the index)?
19:35.45ningasg: well i don't know how to view the pm in bitchx.
19:35.46asgchops: yes
19:35.48wols_ning: update-pciids  then do it again. most likely it's a newer one 8600 or so. in this case: there are no drivers in etch for it
19:35.48ninghelp
19:35.51asgchops: #iptables
19:35.53ninger /help
19:35.55wols_ning: vesa or nv only
19:36.02ningi tried nv
19:36.08zephyrchops, iptables -F I believe
19:36.08chopsI'm dealing with a script that deletes rules, and it's actually hard to determine what rules precisely need to be deleted.  I could do iptables -L and then grep the output, but that doesn't seem right.
19:36.21wols_ning: then nvidia drivers backport from sid or vesa are your only choices
19:36.33asgchops: yes, #iptables
19:36.34maestrostew: does apt-get provide a logging functionality .. aptitude logs automatically to /var/log/aptitude.log
19:36.35ningif i try vesa it does horrible things. i.e. when x starts i get a black screen and the monitor goes out of range and i can't kill x or do anything
19:36.42wols_maestro: /var/log/dpkg.log
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19:36.47ninghmm
19:36.54ningmaybe i'll just upgrade from etch to lenny
19:37.00stewmaestro: no.  dpkg logs in /var/log/dpkg.log as of 1.13
19:37.01maestrowols_: ah nice .. thanks.. never noticed this file
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19:37.06wols_ning: lenny has no nvidia drivers. you need to backport there too
19:37.11ningi reinstalled debian to go from 32b to 64b but i also went from lenny to etch thinking it would be "more" stable.
19:37.21ningwols_ i just want a working x
19:37.25ningi don't need fancy drivers. just for x to work
19:37.38ningi installed nvidia-glx here in etch to no avail
19:37.44asgchops: a simple perusal of the manpage would have revealed '--line-numbers' and -D, -I, -R
19:37.53stewning: use vesa or vga
19:38.00ningi tried vesa. it does horrible things
19:38.07stewning: define 'horrible'
19:38.08ningcan i just substitute 'vga' for 'nv' in xorg.conf?
19:38.29ninguh when x starts with the vesa driver my monitor goes out of sync and i can't kill x, or do anything other than a cold boot. can't even drop to console
19:38.50stewning: probably, if you have nv specific options in that device section, you'd of course, need to remove them
19:38.55chopsasg: Yes, I read the man page in detail before posting here.  However, -D seems to require me to specify the exact rule or the index; it can't match rules that contain particular conditions (which is what I need).  -I and -R don't remove at all.
19:39.07ningstew my xorg.conf is barebones i don't have much
19:39.14ninghmm brb
19:40.02sobersabrehttp://pastebin.com/d23979b47
19:40.35sobersabrechops: It seems not much to have 384M
19:41.38asgchops: you can use iptables with ---line-numbers and things like grep and awk to get the rule number.
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19:46.26ianbentleyHey, I am trying to set up a lightweight debian for myself, where can I download the minimum required build, so that I can add packages to it?
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19:47.49stewianbentley: yes, get a 'netinst' iso
19:48.34Level2Techasg and stew: thanks for the help - I have apache2 and it looks like php5 was already installed
19:48.44asgLevel2Tech: you're welcome
19:49.10Level2Techis there a command to tell me what php version I have
19:49.13Level2Techjust to make sure
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19:49.27Level2TechI remember installing phpmyadmin...will that tell me
19:49.34vipacaIm having trouble w/ apt-get
19:49.58vipacaI don't think that its processing my sources.list file properly
19:50.30stewLevel2Tech: dpkg -l libapahce2-mod-php\*
19:50.31Level2TechYeah...Ive got it...nevermind and thanks
19:50.44stewvipaca: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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19:51.56ianbentleystew: Thanks
19:52.00Level2Techstew: that command shows no packages found, but Im using phpmyadmin and that works....
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19:52.17PrMoriartyok i found the resolution of my problem
19:52.18vipacaIm sorry I dropped can you repeat that
19:52.31stewLevel2Tech: yeah, you'd have to spell apahce better than I did
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19:52.44Level2Techoh crap...lol...ok
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19:53.07PrMoriartywho need to setup netinstall from pxe install need to use special file from debian.org not the file frm the CD
19:53.21Level2Techok cool, it returned php4 and php5....
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19:53.30stewLevel2Tech: only one should list a specific version
19:53.47vipacahttp://pastie.org/209696
19:53.49Level2Techrc  libapache2-mod-php4                    4.4.4-8+etch4                          server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module)
19:53.49Level2Techii  libapache2-mod-php5                    5.2.0-8+etch10                         server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module)
19:53.53Level2Techis that normal??
19:54.30stewLevel2Tech: ok, yeah, libapache2-mod-php4 says 'c' in the second column, which means that it isn't installed.  it was installed, it was removed but not purged, so the configuration files are the only thing still remaining
19:54.52vipacaapt-get just seems to not know anything about any repos.
19:54.53ianbentleystew: Can I make a bootable USB from that network ISO?
19:54.56Level2Techok cool
19:55.02vipacaI should admit that its behind a firewall
19:55.07Tapouthttp://lh4.ggpht.com/thepensblog/RyqLkmMnPFI/AAAAAAAAHeQ/5FeEpjKx0RI/256076962_b2d43ea3fe.jpg
19:55.09Tapout:)
19:55.13vipacaand that Im using aptget-proxy
19:55.14stewvipaca: show us the output of "apt-cache policy"
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19:56.16stewianbentley: /msg dpkg usb-install
19:56.38stewianbentley: (sorta, you can make a bootable usb that contains that iso)
19:56.43vipacahttp://pastie.org/209703
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19:57.12stewvipaca: that doesn't look like there are any sources.  can you show us your sources.list?
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19:58.26vipacahttp://pastie.org/209705
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19:59.53stewvipaca: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
20:00.10vipacaIm sorry
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20:00.52akioim trying to setup a pxe system, can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong? (i suck at networking) http://pastebin.com/m2549ae86
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20:02.42akioand dhclient is trying to get me a lease, but i am the dhcp server!
20:02.50akiohow do i stop that?
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20:04.12tyleris there a guide to installing apache? what im mainly looking for is a list of recommended packages (such as with php, /msg dpkg install php5), as simply "apache2" may not suffice
20:04.25tylerinstall php*
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20:05.02scorche|shthere are oodles of them online
20:05.08tyleryeah
20:05.11tyleri fuond a couple he
20:05.13tylerheh*
20:05.25tylerdidnt know if there was an "official" one on the debian site or such
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20:06.36stewtyler: libapache2-mod-php5 is the one you need.  often people would also want php5-mysql, and maybe some others such as php5-gd
20:06.52tyleryup
20:07.22tyleri meant more of apache itself though, like would i need OTHER than apache2?
20:07.28tyler(not counting php/mysql)
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20:08.51berty-Do you have any tips how to troubleshoot a broken net connection? everything seems ok but I can't access the net
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20:09.12tylerhave you ensured that configuration settings for the interface are correct?
20:09.19tylerand maybe a simple down/up on the interface?
20:09.34stewtyler: nothing
20:09.41tylerhmm
20:09.43berty-how to down/up?
20:09.48asgtyler: apt-cache search libapache2-mod (will show you the available extensions you can install)
20:09.49tylerifup/ifdown
20:09.53stewtyler: (nothing other than apache2 (which would be pulled in by libapache2-mod-php5, i'd think))
20:09.59tylerasg: thanks :)
20:10.03tylerstew: right
20:10.21stewtyler: you might need to "a2enmod php5" is php5 isn't at all functional
20:10.23asgtyler: if you want standard apache modules that come as part of the package but may or may not be configured, try 'a2enmod'
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20:10.47tyleralright
20:10.50tylerawesome
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20:11.46akiomkay
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20:11.57akiothis channel must be dead
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20:12.03sharp15is it possible to install/use cpufreqd with debian-lenny's stock kernel?
20:12.08ninggahhh
20:12.10ningi just don't get it
20:12.12dondelelcarosharp15: yes.
20:12.20vipacastew: Im actually trying to use aptget-proxy
20:12.24ningwhy why why when i install nvidia-glx on a BRAND new machine does x not find any interfaces?
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20:12.58roeanyone know of a good wireless card that uses either the prism chipset or the atheros?
20:12.59sharp15dondelelcaro: what modules do i need then?  cpufreq-info told me there was no driver loaded.
20:13.03ningshort of running through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg a million times and having nvidia-glx installed, i have absolutely no idea what i can do from here? any suggestions?
20:13.04vipacastrew: in my sources.list file you could replace all of the ubuntu servers w/ an ip:port
20:13.11dondelelcarosharp15: depends on your cpu; not everything supports it.
20:13.16ningwon't work with nv, vga, vesa
20:13.28dondelelcaroning: which version of X is this? which card?
20:13.31ningworks with the official nvidia driver but it looks like shit and runs slow (like...i can watch the screen render)
20:13.38ningi dunno what card it is - some sort of geforce
20:13.40sharp15dondelelcaro: intel based, it used to have support that's why i'm confused.
20:13.44ning02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 290 (rev a1)
20:13.52ningquadro - there.
20:13.57sharp15i'm probably not being specific enough though.
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20:14.16sierhi
20:14.18dondelelcaroning: the nv driver in testing and unstable should support it just fine.
20:14.28ningi'm in lenny righ tnow
20:14.36ningthe nv driver doesn't do squat
20:14.42dondelelcaro!doesn't work
20:14.42dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
20:14.45ningsays no screens found when i start x
20:15.09ning(WW) xf86CloseConsole: KDSETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor
20:15.09ning(WW) xf86CloseConsole: VT_GETMODE failed: Bad file descriptor
20:15.13dondelelcaroning: you need to use the distributed xorg.conf, and then provide us with the full /var/log/xorg.0.log
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20:15.22dondelelcaroning: and don't paste it here; use a paste site.
20:15.31ninghard to do when i am sitting in console
20:15.31vipacafor whatever reason Im able to ping, ssh, etc the proxy but when I perform apt-get it does connect to the proxy
20:15.48vipacathe logs don't move and the proxy doesn't even see an attempt
20:15.52stewvipaca: ask #ubuntu
20:15.55akiodondelelcaro: can you tell me what im doing wrong with my dhcp/pxe server setup?
20:15.59ningdondelelcaro i did use the distributed xorg.conf and it didn't work straight out of the box, so i ran through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg a bunch of times
20:16.07stewvipaca: i don't know what this aptget-proxy thing is
20:16.16ningls
20:16.18vipacastew: ok
20:16.34akiodondelelcaro: i posted a pastebin link earlier
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20:17.35dondelelcaroakio: not without you asking a specific question
20:17.39vipacaI just wanted to see if anyone could help me with apt-get in debian as ubuntu channel is completley useless
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20:18.02whyking_hi
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20:18.13akiohow do i set up my dhcp.conf properly? (info is in the pastebin link)
20:18.16stewvipaca: try a ubuntu mailing list or a web forum
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20:18.24dondelelcaroakio: what are you trying to do?
20:18.24whyking_I have a question about a debian package. I was wondering, there are some special functions in scipy.sandbox, those are present in the scipy-0.6 source tarball, but not in the i386 compiled version.. why would that be the case? and, any plans on changing that?
20:18.34akioboot a laptop off of pxe
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20:18.43whyking_or what might be a better channel to ask that question?
20:18.49hydoskeehow do you apt-get install without following dependencies?
20:18.58dondelelcarohydoskee: you don't.
20:19.12valdynwhyking_: file a bug report about the functionality you are missing?
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20:19.28dondelelcarowhyking_: hard to say without looking at the internals; consider filing a wishlist bug asking for its inclusion, ideally with a patch.
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20:19.55whyking_ok, I will file a bug report. thanks
20:20.07akiodondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m2549ae86
20:20.35akioi haven't been able to start the server successfully
20:20.56akiotrying to follow http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478
20:21.03dondelelcaroakio: subnet 192.168.0.1 isn't a subnet. subnet 192.168.0.0 is.
20:21.15akiothats probably what i needed
20:21.27akioim an idiot when it comes to addressing properly
20:21.34akiothanks
20:21.54whyking_hm.. how do I file a bug report about a special package?
20:22.27akiodondelelcaro: that was it, thanks
20:22.29akioit started
20:22.38valdyn!bts
20:22.38dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
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20:27.21EzepHey pals, I have a problem ejecuting a precompiled program
20:27.24valdynMrBrush: if the web server is setup to execute the file
20:27.26Ezepsc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
20:27.29xlotluanybody that happens to patch their kernel for custom DSDT.. managed to get it working under 2.6.25?
20:27.39EzepI dunno where to point really :/
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20:28.25Borusafter installing debian how can i change gmnome to kde??
20:28.37valdyn!install kde
20:28.38dpkgThe metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest.  To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt.  For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
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20:28.59valdynBorus: your login screen is probably "gdm", you can pick kde there via "Sessions"
20:29.05Borusok and how couldi change the laptop mouse speed?
20:29.06valdynBorus: or "Session"
20:29.18valdynBorus: in kde
20:29.21valdyn!mouse speed
20:29.26valdynBorus: or with xset
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20:29.47ricosecadaAfter doing a purge of apache and manually removing what was left in /etc/apache2, then doing a fresh install I get this error: "Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: No such file or directory", since I have used a purge, shouldn't conf files be installed freshly?
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20:30.03ninjaslimhey guys what' the difference between netbeans-platform and netbeans-ide
20:30.06valdynricosecada: 1) you didnt purge the proper package
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20:30.21valdynricosecada: = you didnt purge the package that owns those config files
20:30.23valdyn!confmiss
20:30.23dpkgthe reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted.  You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
20:30.31ricosecadavaldyn, I purged every package with apache in it.
20:30.39bincgihow can i create a upcase letter what comes to creating user names?
20:30.39valdynricosecada: read ^^^ and the package to reinstall is probably apache2-common
20:30.42valdynricosecada: no you didnt
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20:31.10ricosecadavaldyn, thanks. But I did a dpkg -l | grep ii | grep apache and purged those.
20:31.30valdynricosecada: maybe it was already removed
20:31.37uresany arguments for aptitude vs apt-get?
20:31.44valdynricosecada: maybe you are simply mistaken in what you remember you did
20:31.51ricosecadavaldyn, maybe.
20:31.58ricosecadavaldyn, thanks!
20:32.10Saarhm... just noticed on a system setup before my time that the raid5 has 7 163 GB disks and 1 hot spare of 160 GB, I believe that if a disk fails the hotspare is useless since it is 3 gb smaller, correct?
20:32.25justinricosecada: you missed libapr then
20:32.37justinricosecada: not that it really matters for your problem though :)
20:32.40valdynSaar: is a raid member really a whole disk?
20:32.47valdynSaar: see cat /proc/mdstat
20:33.00Boruswhat is xset? and how could i change the mouse speed with it?
20:33.10valdynBorus: by reading the documentation
20:33.52EzepBorus: change it in xorg.conf
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20:34.18valdynif i were using kde i would simple change it in the control center
20:35.36Borusvaldyn:it says xset -m default
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20:35.44valdynSaar: im asking that because i would think that you cannot even add hot spares that are to small, but i wouldnt know for sure
20:35.45Borusbut how could i change the default?
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20:36.14valdynBorus: im not reading the manpage for you
20:36.18valdynBorus: dont be so lazy
20:36.57EzepWell, could I splash my little problem? :)
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20:37.12EzepI have an error executing a program (not debian packaged)
20:37.25EzepThe error: "sc3u: relocation error: sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference"
20:37.38EzepDebian have ld-linux.so.2?
20:37.43valdynEzep: ask the vendor of that program, we do not support it
20:37.57valdynEzep: why dont you have a look for yourself?
20:38.02valdyn!tell Ezep -about search
20:38.07Ezepvaldyn: it is a loki's game
20:38.16dondelelcaroEzep: most likely they need to recompile it against a current version of the libraries we distribute, or alternatively, provide a statically linked version.
20:38.17Ezepbut..
20:38.19valdynEzep: so its very old
20:38.29EzepI see
20:38.39mc__Ezep: loki has closed down years ago
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20:38.51Ezepmc__: yes
20:38.57mc__though there is an apllication called loki update, have you tried it valdyn ?
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20:39.14EzepOh, let me see :o
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20:39.23smacnayHi, I am trying to start compiz and have followed the steps to installing - I get an error "/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'ccp'" and am unsure of what to address.
20:39.31mhymnhi all
20:39.49Ezepvaldyn: I think that my error isn't that "stupid" to send me to search
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20:39.57keith4smacnay: i know this is crazy, but did you try googling "Couldn't load plugin 'ccp'" ?
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20:40.03valdynEzep: no, but asking if debian contains a file is
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20:40.15EzepYes, I have searched, I only be here to ask if debian have ld-linux.so.2
20:40.26smacnaykeith4, doing so now
20:40.44Ezepvaldyn: that's bad? :s, I don't know debian complety
20:40.48valdynEzep: you need to get old versions of libc6 and probably more and preload those with "LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/file"
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20:41.04curbyis there a good site for reading about running debian (or any linux) off a flash drive?  I disabled swap, and I think I can mount my partitions with noatime, but am wondering about logging and such
20:41.23valdynEzep: this isnt supported by debian but you can get the files at sdn
20:41.24valdyn!sdn
20:41.24EzepI think..valdyn, it's would be unstable
20:41.24dpkgrumour has it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
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20:41.29Ezepwith 2 glibc
20:41.34stewEzep: yeah we understand that you don't know debian completely which is why he is pointing you to resources to help you learn how to find this information for yourself in the future
20:41.34valdynEzep: no, nonsense
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20:41.49keith4curby: you could always log to remote syslog server, if you're worried
20:41.57justinEzep: did you put that error message into google?
20:42.02valdynEzep: your problem is not simple to solve, i dont have the time to spoonfeed you
20:42.04Ezepstew: thanks :)
20:42.13Saarvaldyn: hm let me see
20:42.22Ezepvaldyn: no, I don't want to let you do it for me
20:42.28EzepOnly for get a way
20:42.33lobakhello
20:42.34EzepI was too lost
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20:42.56EzepAnyway, thanks, I would search for loki updates
20:43.04smacnaykeith4, mismatched versions of various compiz components due to backporting stuff from sid - no biggie.
20:43.06curbywill mounting all my partitions with noatime create a problem (other than myself wanting to find files based on atime).  specifically, do any popular software packages depend on accurate atimes?  i just don't want to shoot myself in the foot =)
20:43.28Saarcat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid5] unused devices: <none>
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20:43.40lobakis it possible for me to see how long i've connected to internet ?
20:43.40valdynEzep: sometimes such issues can be solved by simply using the actual debian file and patch it, but duh
20:44.06valdynEzep: but i recommend you try doing what i explained above
20:44.07Ezepvaldyn: hehe, this isn't that important :P
20:44.11lobakis it possible for me to see how long i've connected to internet ? im using ppp which need dialing
20:44.13EzepYEs
20:44.15EzepThanks
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20:45.21justinlobak: yeah, apt-cache search ppp status
20:45.21valdynlobak: you could read the syslog output from pppd
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20:45.29valdynlobak: which would look like: Jun  4 22:09:46 master named[8893]: listening on IPv4 interface ppp0, 88.217.143.53#
20:45.45valdynlobak: ops, wrong line
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20:46.22kenjyhi
20:46.57curbyooh http://www.pcprobleemloos.nl/nslu2/doku.php seems to talk about decreasing disk wear
20:47.25lobakvaldyn: i dont see any indication of time connected in syslog
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20:47.48valdynlobak:  such a line does: "23:39:45 master pppd[5099]: primary   DNS address 212.18.3.5"
20:47.49justinlobak: you used to be able to stat the pppd pid file in /var/run, the age of the mtime of the file is the connection time
20:48.17valdynjustin: but pppd wont create a new pid file just because it had to redial
20:48.24lobakjustin: i was trying to make a simple program that will tell the user how he/she been online
20:48.32justinvaldyn: it did 10 years ago
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20:48.57valdynjustin: maybe if it terminated and you restarted the daemon
20:49.05justinvaldyn: or it would update it which changed the mtime
20:49.12valdynjustin: let me check
20:49.20justinvaldyn: like I said.. it worked 10 years ago :)
20:49.53valdynjustin: there isnt even a pid file now
20:50.01justinvaldyn: not anywhere?
20:50.08smacnayIs there a gui app to look for and remove old libs and unused apps?
20:50.10valdynjustin: not in /var/run/
20:50.20justinvaldyn: ah, oh well :)
20:50.24valdynsmacnay: debian does not know if you dont use an app
20:50.43valdynsmacnay: for libraries that are not used by any app, see "deborphan"
20:50.54smacnaythanks
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20:51.54lobakjustin:  sorry, what do u mean by stat?
20:52.02itbhphi everybody
20:52.27valdynlobak: stat is a command
20:53.02lobakic
21:05.37pelegdo you know if there's a way to do in vim "smart home"? - to make home go to the beginning of the text in the line, instead of to the line itself?
21:05.37justinpeleg: I already does that
21:05.37abrotmanpeleg: shift+i ?
21:05.37pelegjustin: cool. how?
21:05.37justinlol
21:05.37pelegabrotman: in insert mode
21:05.38PrMoriartyi install xorg
21:05.38PrMoriartyi installed xfs
21:05.38abrotmanpeleg: hit escape .. hit shift+i
21:05.38PrMoriartybut....couldn t open default font fixed
21:05.38justinPrMoriarty: why did you install xfs?
21:05.38valdynPrMoriarty: you dont need xfs
21:05.38pelegabrotman: well, that's not what I am looking for! :-)
21:05.38abrotmanPrMoriarty: how did you install xorg?
21:05.38lobaki think that'll do for my program..thanks justin, valdyn
21:05.38PrMoriartyarf ok i will uninstall
21:05.38abrotmanpeleg: then ask #vim ?
21:05.38PrMoriartycause tough it s a font pb
21:05.38\amethystpeleg:   :inoremap <Home> <C-o>^
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21:05.39pelegabrotman: good idea
21:05.39peleg\amethyst: thanks!
21:05.39abrotman\amethyst: my idea was better!
21:05.39PrMoriartyfatal servor error: could not open default font 'fixed'
21:05.39cuscowhy is it that on a remote machine, nano complays about some "numlock" bug
21:05.39valdyn!fixed
21:05.39dpkgfixed font is probably if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package.  usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg"
21:05.39cuscoand my friend says taht vim complays about using arrows
21:05.39cuscoor nt using them as it should
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21:05.40cuscois there some error passing the keys pressed?
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21:05.40cuscodoes somebody know what I speak (or try to) of?
21:05.40\amethystcusco:  I'm not sure about the numlock thing, but with vim: does he have a vimrc on the remote machine?
21:05.40peleg\amethyst: actually, I was looking for a smarter way; like in nano (or other editors), where it goes to the beginning of the text, unless it's already there - in that case, it goes to the beginning of the line.
21:05.40PrMoriartyi just install the xserver-xorg
21:05.41\amethystcusco:  if not, then it might be in 'compatible' mode, where arrow keys don't work in insert mode
21:05.41pelegI'll ask #vim
21:05.41valdynPrMoriarty: well, that is not enough
21:05.41PrMoriartyarf tough that
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21:05.41PrMoriartyi am install xorg
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21:05.41abrotmangood plan
21:05.42MrBrushThe full path of a bin should always be specified in crontab right?
21:05.42pelegfound it: http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=315
21:05.42MrBrushso /usr/bin/curl in stead of curl
21:05.42PrMoriartyfluxbox and xdm already installed
21:05.42vjoesites with JavaScript make my Firefox "lag" a little bit
21:05.42vjoeis it normal?
21:05.42PrMoriartyf*******k good
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21:05.43PrMoriartythank now i have a light blue desktop
21:05.43PrMoriartythank you
21:05.43valdynMrBrush: no
21:05.43vjoefor example -> http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/index.php?style=268
21:05.43valdynMrBrush: cron uses /bin/sh by default as shell, that shell might reads its config files as it does usually
21:05.44vjoeI have friends who say it runs fine on their browser (also firefox 2)
21:05.44MrBrushvaldyn: but it wouldn't hurt to specify it?
21:05.44valdynMrBrush: true
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21:05.44valdynvjoe: normal
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21:05.45MrBrush0 0 1 * *
21:05.45MrBrushin cron, that will run the command the first day of the month right?
21:05.45cusco\amethyst: trhats exactly it that he complains about
21:05.45cusco\amethyst: what must be in that vimrc file?
21:05.45vjoevaldyn, it's also slow on your browser?
21:05.45PrMoriartyis firefox a light browser for you?
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21:05.46stewMrBrush: yes
21:05.46valdynvjoe: scrolling is not as nice as it is on different sites
21:05.46\amethystcusco:  as long as it exists, that should turn off compatibility mode
21:05.46valdynvjoe: and im using the firefox 3 engine, which should be faster afaik
21:05.46\amethystcusco:  though you could put   set nocp   in the vimrc to be sure
21:05.47MrBrushstew:
21:05.47MrBrush0 0 * * * /usr/bin/curl http://server01.idify.nl/~butlerbo/functions/overzicht_orders.php > /dev/null 2>&1
21:05.47MrBrushthat will only run at 12:00 am right?
21:05.47stewMrBrush: yes, daily
21:05.48MrBrushok
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21:06.19adamalinux-libc-dev: Conflicts: linux-kernel-headers why?
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21:06.53stewadama: becuase it's a newer replacement
21:06.59dondelelcaroadama: because it also Replaces: and Provides: it too.
21:07.24adamalinux-libc-dev is newer and replaces linux-kernel-headers?
21:07.34cuscothanks \amethyst
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21:08.11stewadama: yes
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21:08.34adamaok thanks stew
21:08.44stewiirc beginning with 2.6.24
21:08.56Bushmillsvjoe, because tose scripts  run on your computer, how much time they consume depends entirely on what they do
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21:09.20Bushmillsvjoe, everything from not noticeable to cpu hog is possible
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21:09.34motquestion
21:09.38motif i have ssh access to a box is it possible to initiate a fresh debian install remotely?
21:09.49vjoeBushmills, so it also has to do with the hardware
21:09.52avazxhi, can anyone helpme with xen 3.2.1 from sources and lenny?, it displaysme could not set up dom0 guest os.
21:10.02vjoestrange that an AMD 3200+ has lag with javascript
21:10.17Bushmillsmot, do you have an alternative boot on that remote machine?
21:10.23Bushmillsvjoe, yes
21:10.33motBushmills, not - how would i set one up?
21:10.36Bushmillsvjoe, CPU speed, especially
21:10.48Bushmillsmot, is that a rented dedicated server?
21:11.07motBushmills, no, just a host machine that happens to be a few miles away
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21:11.51Bushmillsmot, does it run debian already?
21:11.55motyes
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21:12.41Bushmillsmot that should help. fresh install as in replace existing system completely (why?) or making running system up to date?
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21:13.07motfresh install.
21:13.10motis it possible or not?
21:13.23Bushmillsmot, spare disk or spare partition available?
21:13.31abrotmanhe can use debootstrap in a chroot
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21:13.47motyea i could probably make some room
21:13.49Bushmillsabrotman: yes. just trying to find out where to debootstrap to
21:13.55abrotmanthe moon
21:13.57motwhat does debootstrap do?
21:14.05abrotman!debootstrap
21:14.06dpkghmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>  Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System.  See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
21:14.10Bushmillsinstall a system into a running system.
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21:14.20Bushmillswithout kernel or boot loader,
21:14.41motit will utilize the existing kernel?
21:14.45motbecause i definitely don't want to do that.
21:14.45Bushmillsi.e. gives you a new populated root directory hierarchy
21:14.52motahh
21:15.03Bushmillsmot you can add a kernel.
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21:15.07moteh
21:15.12moti'll just wait until i go to work tomorr
21:15.19Bushmillsi'd suggest to debootstrap to an empty partition
21:15.22abrotmani think we scared him :)
21:15.24motthey don't pay me enough to do this work from home after-hours, anyways.
21:15.26motno, not scared me
21:15.36moti just decided i don't feel like doing this over ssh
21:15.40motespecially since i'm not getting paid for it
21:15.44abrotmanwait .. are you the one that works for the Uni ?
21:15.50motyep.
21:16.02Bushmillshad you said "not debian" i had suggested to drive there and install locally
21:16.03moti don't get paid over-time, though.
21:16.05abrotmanpurges brains
21:16.16mothaha
21:16.34moti could figure it out, it isn't a big deal
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21:16.47moti just straight up don't want to. i'll do it tomorrow when i'm actually getting paid for it.
21:16.52Bushmillsdebootstrap is very easy to use
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21:17.07moti'm sure it is, i'm not scared of using it
21:17.13moti just straight up don't want to do the work now. lol
21:17.16motat first i was contemplating it
21:17.20Bushmillsalmost a no-brainer
21:17.23motbut it's nice out. i'm going to the gym.
21:17.39moti'd rather not sit here furiously pattering away for another hour to do work that i won't get paid for
21:17.40weasealis debian awesome?
21:17.45motfor a lady who treats me like crap.
21:17.48mothell yea debian is awesome
21:17.49Bushmillsno, it sucks completely
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21:17.53mot[when it works]
21:17.54mot:P
21:17.55weasealcrap
21:17.58weaseali was thinkiing about using it
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21:18.04Level2Techwhat do I need to change in the sources.list to add volatile
21:18.05bincgiFreeBSD is awesome,
21:18.06motweaseal, got prior linux experience?
21:18.16weasealbincgi, i know, i've been using freebsd for 8 years
21:18.21weaseallinux for 6, on and off
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21:18.31weaseali'm in arch linux now but its package manager is pissing me off
21:18.37motyou've been using linux for 6 year and you've never used debian?
21:18.38ArthurArchnixOh good... I got here just in time for the flamewar.
21:18.39Bushmillsweaseal: what answer do you expect an a support channel of any linux distrib?
21:18.40bincgii ll select CentOS before debian
21:18.42ArthurArchnixlooks for popcorn
21:18.45weaseali used debian once about 4 years ago
21:19.02weasealjust installed it and played in the shell
21:19.03motthat's like driving a geo metro versus a BMW
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21:19.03bincgidebian is nicer then slapy Ubuntu
21:19.04weasealdidn't even install X
21:19.24weasealgentoo is good but i hate their package manager too
21:19.32NetEchobincgi depends on what you're using the system for
21:19.33weasealbincgi, you probably know what im talking about as a freebsd user :P
21:19.34motgentoo is good if you like watching things compile for hours on end.
21:19.39weasealafter freebsd all package system seem dumb
21:19.46bincgiSlpay, which part wasnt i clear
21:19.54NetEchoah sorry misread
21:20.04NetEchowait no
21:20.06NetEchoyou mistyped
21:20.09NetEchoslapy
21:20.24bincgiindeed
21:20.30bincgitiny keyboard
21:20.39NetEchoUbuntu is nice for desktop systems tho
21:20.50bincgiif you say so..
21:20.58WarriorSlayerguys can someone help me? i'm having problems trying to run netbeans in my debian lenny and visual editor for eclipse too
21:21.04ArthurArchnixapplauds at the use of car analogies in attempts to persuade others of the "best" Os... but... what this really needs, is more cowbell. I'm just not feeling the flame, and I think if we could just get a little more cowbell, then maybe we can finally settle what OS is the "Best".
21:21.31NetEchoI can't stand RPM based systems especialy ones based off RedHat
21:21.32mnshahaha @ cowbell
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21:21.50bincgiArthurArchnix, agree
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21:22.06bincgihowever, its been said..
21:22.17NetEchofor newer users Ubuntu prior to 8.04 is great
21:22.20stewthis type of dicussion is almost never productive.  although if you want to try to continue it anyway, can you do it in a more appropriate channel, such as ##linux
21:22.23NetEchoDebian is nice for advanced users
21:23.05bincgigoogle uses debian, which i m thinking its a great OS
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21:23.44WarriorSlayeranyone can help me with running netbeans? :/
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21:23.47Bushmillsdebian r/s ratio is 3.64, ubuntu's is 2.38
21:23.53mnsAnyone know what program can tell me what key codes are generated when I press a key ?
21:24.02NetEchoBushmills r/s ?
21:24.09fengorwhat is r/s ratio
21:24.10stewmns: xev
21:24.11fengor?
21:24.14Bushmillsrule[s,z] / sucks
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21:24.26mnsstew:  thanks.
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21:24.52NetEchoI usualy use debian for server stuff
21:25.23Bushmillsgoogle hits of  ("debian rules" + "debian rulez") /  "debian sucks"
21:25.33Bushmillscompared to same with ubuntu
21:25.41NetEchoubuntu runs great on my laptop though
21:26.04BushmillsNetEcho: that's possibly due to the fact that it is linux
21:26.07fengorNetEcho: debian runs great on my laptop ;p
21:26.14NetEchono I mean with certain hardware
21:26.34NetEchoI usualy have to tweak debian a lot to get it working right
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21:26.41fengordunno not here
21:26.42NetEchobut thats just because this laptop blows
21:26.49fengorpff the shelf thinkpad t61
21:26.51fengoroff
21:26.56NetEcho:o
21:26.59NetEchoI wanted a thinkpad
21:27.09NetEchobut they wouldn't do financing :@
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21:27.20AlexCONRADhello, I'm setting up a system with preseeding, and I'd like to know if it's possible to catch and handle error message (with red background?)
21:27.21fengorhehe gonna order a r52 as a second laptop next week
21:27.36NetEchonice
21:27.37fengorthey are selling those dirt cheap at my workplac
21:27.42fengorebut limited to 1 per person
21:27.51fengorbut still for 299 a nice deal
21:27.54NetEchoI have a dell laptop and work with hundreds of hellish acers at work
21:28.03krimany idea if firefox 3 will be in lenny?
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21:28.32Skratz0rSee you guise. :P
21:28.35Skratz0rbai
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21:28.37fengorhad an acer in the past. wouldnt recommend it again. although i dont know what current acer models have hardwarewise
21:28.58NetEchogod its nice to see removable memory for cheap these days
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21:29.14stewkrim: that depends on when it gets released by upstream
21:29.29NetEchoI remember paying like $80 for my 128mb and now you can get 8gb for like $30
21:29.30fengoranyways i should continue packing. have to leave for hamburg tomorrow
21:29.45stewkrim: if it is released soon, it would probably go into unstable relatively quickly.  if its not released soon it wouldn't ever be in lenny (if it misses the freeze)
21:30.13fengorhopes ff3 will make it before the freeze
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21:30.35krimstew: "Mozilla engineers are planning to ship the final release by mid-June 2008" think that's enough?
21:30.36fengorbut if not there will still be backports i reckon
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21:30.55Bushmillsthinks about throwing a munin plugin together which graphs the s/r ratio of a list of popular distributions
21:30.59stewkrim: no, its not enough to plan on a release :)
21:31.11krimaaw
21:31.12jdahmI'm on debian lenny, and I don't have git-send-email, is that not a part of the git-core package?
21:31.13Bushmillsr/s ratio
21:31.53Bushmillsjdahm: not part of git-email?
21:32.08jdahmBushmills: oh is that a separate package?
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21:32.26jdahmthanks!
21:32.36Bushmillsapt-cache it. i'm not sure about lenny
21:32.43fengorjdahm: apt-cache search git-
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21:33.29applemilkI'm gonna do a net install of Debian on my iMac G3. Do I get to choose what I want from a list or how do I get everything I need?
21:33.35applemilksince i never did thisbefore
21:34.09Bushmillsapplemilk: either at installation time, from a task list, or more detailed from a package manager
21:34.16weasealdoes wine work in linux 86x64?
21:34.23applemilki did the minimal disc thing
21:34.24dutchfishweaseal: yes
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21:34.30amphiapplemilk: at the end, tasksel will run, which allows you to install a DE and various other things with minimal effort
21:34.38applemilkokay good
21:34.46applemilkand that's for the 200 megabyte iso?
21:34.51applemilksince that's what i'm using
21:34.52weasealso is there any reason to install x86 over 86x64 if i have an athlon64 processor?
21:35.52\amethystweaseal:  1. if you like proprietary software (Java-plugin especially; it's possible though difficult to get 32-bit flash running in an amd64 browser)
21:36.27weaseali see. well, flash is about the only reason i'm running linux and not freebsd on my desktop, so x86 it is i guess
21:37.50dutchfishweaseal: or wait till 64bit arrives
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21:38.19weasealwait? what just not use my computer while we wait for 64 flash? :P
21:38.31applemilkwill flash and java work fine in ppc?
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21:38.45mnsAnyone uses XFCE4 ?   I've got what I think is a bug, but am not sure.
21:38.51amphiweaseal: you _only_ use flash?
21:38.53pr0tHello, I want to make my apache systems PCI compliance but this means disabling weak ciphers such as export ciphers.. how will this effect clients that are outside of the unites and how can I find a list of countires this will effect?
21:38.57jsubl2weaseal: nspluginwrapper works fine for 64bit and flash firefox
21:39.08ianbentleyHi, I just set up my USB Key install as per recomended by the website, did a reboot, and followed the instructions.  Got to the iso part okay, but then it said that the CD iso was corrupt.
21:39.15Bushmillsyes. you need 64 bit flash, if you want to display 1099511627776 or more colours
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21:39.21weasealamphi, no, i said it's the only reason i run linux on my desktop instead of fbsd, is for flash support
21:39.26ianbentleyShould I re-download, or is there a way that I can check the iso as is?
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21:39.46weasealjsubl2, ok thanks
21:39.47jsubl2weaseal: yeah i would probably use fbsd except for that also
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21:40.22weasealit's too bad there isn't an oss flash support
21:40.22ArthurArchnixis there an apt-get command to search for installed programs? Say I wanted to know if xcalc was installed... sudo apt-cache search xcalc doesn't seem to give that info
21:40.25weaseali mean a good one anyway
21:40.29Bushmillsneedless to say that you also need a 1000000x800000 pixel resolution
21:40.42ianbentleymaybe I should just re-download with wget instead of FF
21:40.52mnspr0t:  Cuba, North Korea, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan are the coutries I remember off the top of my head.
21:41.08mnsArthurArchnix:   aptitude show xcalc .. will tell you if it is installed or not.
21:41.54ArthurArchnixmns aptitude... show... hmm... ok, thanks.
21:42.20dutchfishArthurArchnix: why not use dpg -l | grep xcalc?
21:42.27mnsArthurArchnix: also with apt-cache .... apt-cache show xcalc   will give you "Installed-Size" if it is installed.
21:43.00ArthurArchnixdutchfish: mainly because I didn't know about it. But also, I islike the letter d.
21:43.37pr0tmns, where might I find a list for this - i want to make sure clients in porta rico,canada, and guam dont have a problem
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21:43.55BushmillsArthurArchnix: post a bug report. maybe they'll rename debian to zebian, then you'll have zpkg
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21:44.29mnspr0t: those countries are not on the list.  I'm pretty sure of that.  US Dept. of Commerce will give you that information.
21:44.31SnadderHi. Anyone have any recommendations on what os to run on an "htpc" I'm going to hook up to an lcd tv?
21:44.32bkwI'm running debian amd64, but need to compile some C for 32bit, do I need to install any packages to be able to do that?
21:44.37Snaddergeexbox.org have one os.. but is that the best one?
21:44.43ArthurArchnix:)
21:44.46pr0tmns, thank you
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21:45.27mnspr0t: no probs
21:46.36pr0tmns, sorry last question where on the site should i search what should i looko for?
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21:47.37b_jonasI'm getting the error message "Must run suid root for multiuser support." when trying to attach to a screen session from another user
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21:47.59mnspr0t: Last time I did that, it was something like "encryption export", and that was over 10 years ago.
21:48.07b_jonasaccording to ls, -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 298260 Mar  7  2007 /usr/bin/screen*
21:48.10b_jonasso it's setgid
21:48.23mnspr0t:  encryption export restrictions
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21:48.52pr0tok
21:48.55pr0tthink i found it thanks again bud
21:48.57b_jonasdoes that still exist?
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21:49.13b_jonasanyway, does anyone know something about this screen thing?
21:49.41Bushmillsb_jonas: it can display so called pixels
21:49.54b_jonasBushmills: sorry?
21:49.59b_jonaseek
21:50.00Bushmillsaka dots
21:50.14b_jonasok, then
21:50.14mnshaha Bushmills
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21:50.33dutchfish!beer Bushmills
21:50.33dpkgdeftly decants a fine Jever for Bushmills
21:50.37Bushmillsyes, make screen suid, change /var/lib/... to 755 . it will complain
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21:51.09b_jonasbut I'd like to know the reason why it's not installed as root first
21:51.10b_jonaslike,
21:51.21b_jonasI dunno what
21:51.26b_jonassome security thing perhaps
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21:52.19Bushmillsb_jonas: then add  multiuser on to your screenrc
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21:52.40Bushmillsand maybe acladd <user>
21:52.56b_jonasBushmills: I have set multiuser and aclchg
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21:53.04Bushmills(i suppose you want to allow access to screen sessions of different users)
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21:53.33b_jonasnot from the screenrc but I've set it for this session from commandline
21:53.37Bushmillshmm,, aclchg you'd use to restrict. i think you still need acladd before
21:53.45b_jonasfrom screen "ex mode" that is
21:53.45Bushmillsah, ok
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21:53.58b_jonasno, aclchg adds them
21:54.14Bushmillsyou find multiuser on   in screenrc sometimes, and the acladd interactively
21:55.11Level2TechCan someone tell me how to configure apt for volatile packages
21:55.46Bushmillsb_jonas: /var/run/screen  is the one which needs chmod 755 if you suid screen
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21:56.39b_jonasah, I think I've got the error
21:56.50b_jonashmm no
21:57.36b_jonasI've just found another problem instead
21:58.25Bushmillsdutchfish: Jever will do. thanks
21:59.23dutchfishBushmills: chears, just was reading my bedtime story: http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable ;)
21:59.30b_jonasthis must be an obscure error because I have the nethack option enabled and the message isn't translated
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22:00.35rohansometimes when i install or remove a package using apt-get/aptitude, it does so without asking me. sometimes it asks for confirmation. what is the logic behind it?
22:00.55Bushmillsrohan: one single package - no confirmation
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22:01.10Bushmillsadditional (dependencies) - confirmation
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22:01.18rohanBushmills: well i just removed 5 packages at a time, it happily removed
22:01.27Bushmillsoh. remove.
22:01.33Bushmillsthought "install"
22:01.43rohanok, so if i do apt-get install foo, and foo has no dependencies, it will be installed without confirming?
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22:01.50rohanyes, i'm asking about both cases Bushmills
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22:02.13Bushmillsrohan: yes (no confirm for foo)
22:02.29rohanok, and how about when removing?
22:02.53Bushmillscan't remember any prompt except "you're doing something stupid - are you sure"
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22:03.22Bushmillswhen req'd packages are removed
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22:03.53rohanoh
22:04.45djmitche_is there a better place than #debian for package-building questions?
22:04.53rohanBushmills: you mean this prompt --> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
22:05.01Bushmillsrohan: right
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22:05.45b_jonas/usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian says it has 'Make it set-gid "utmp" instead of setuid root'
22:05.49b_jonasbut no more info
22:06.11Bushmillsb_jonas: sounds good.
22:06.13dcestarihello all, one Q, ntp is not on lenny, is this ok?
22:06.20vjoecya
22:06.23b_jonasbut it doesn't explain why
22:06.31b_jonasit doesn't say it's safe to change back or something
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22:06.39b_jonasor what to do to enable multiuser
22:06.40Bushmillsless risky than suid root
22:07.04Level2TechIs there a better text editor in debian...vi drives me nuts
22:07.11dwlhello, I have a packaging question.
22:07.13b_jonasBushmills: sure
22:07.16Bushmillswell, you know. you type it in interactively, i have it in my screenrc. either works
22:07.29b_jonasstill it could say something like "if you want multiuser, change it back and take care of this and this"
22:07.30BushmillsLevel2Tech: dozens
22:07.34rohanif i do apt-get remove dpkg apt, and i force it, how do i un-hose my system? (just curious, not tried it)
22:07.37jelly-home!tell dcestari about why is ntp not in testing
22:08.01Level2TechBushmills: can you suggest a popular one please
22:08.13dwlwhat's the best way to create a package where you don't know what the uid of your user will be on the destination system?
22:08.15BushmillsLevel2Tech: can't. depends on your own taste
22:08.25rohanLevel2Tech: vim, emacs, nano
22:08.31dcestarijelly-home: I think it didn't understand
22:08.46BushmillsLevel2Tech: maybe joe. compact simple and not feature starved
22:08.59dcestarijelly-home: oh sorry, it did
22:08.59Level2Technice thanks
22:09.00n3klrohan: /usr/local/bin/runproperly.pl ?
22:09.07dcestarijelly-home: thank you
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22:09.53BushmillsLevel2Tech: i use efte but that's not in debian. fork of fte - that one is (but lacks a lot of capabilites compared to efte)
22:10.13ianbentleyInstalling deb on an Asus Eee, can't find my ethernet card.  Any advice?
22:10.14jelly-homedcestari: basically it can't automatically get into testing because of http://bugs.debian.org/448408
22:10.15b_jonasjoe is popular?
22:10.21dwlI have a .deb package that creates a user during preinstall, but permissions on files in .deb packages are set during package creation, and use UIDs.
22:10.30b_jonasI use joe, but popular it isn't
22:10.32Bushmillsb_jonas: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=joe
22:10.34dwlAny ideas on how to get around this?
22:10.42djmitche_dwl: I think you can just use a userid in the range 0-99
22:10.51djmitche_just pick one that's not in use on most systems
22:10.54rohann3kl: right, you're sending me yours by email or you prefer some other method?
22:10.57b_jonasBushmills: can't compare that to anything
22:11.07dcestarijelly-home: so I can't have ntp? even old one? from etch?
22:11.12Bushmillsb_jonas: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=emacs
22:11.24dwldjmitche:  how would I choose a uid?
22:11.30dcestarijelly-home: I mean, packages from unstable override or update testing right? why is the old ntp missing then?
22:11.32jelly-homeor even http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=joe,vim
22:11.36b_jonasBushmills: wow
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22:11.55b_jonasreally wow
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22:12.09dwlmaybe I should choose UID=0 and hope for the best.
22:12.13jelly-homedcestari: you'll have to check packages.qa.d.o to see when it was removed
22:12.23djmitche_hehe
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22:13.02djmitche_dwl: I really have no idea.  I was hoping someone smarter than me would correct me, but alas
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22:13.20djmitche_!tell dwl how to invent a uid
22:13.23jelly-homedcestari: in general, packages with release-critical bugs cannot enter testing
22:13.25dwldjmitche: no one is smarter than you?
22:13.38b_jonasgoogle gave some results on the screen thingy though
22:14.05b_jonasit does confirm that at least some people thing it's a security bug
22:14.10b_jonasand that they're working on it
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22:14.28dwlI think hardcoding UIDs in debian packages is a security bug.
22:14.35djmitche_!beer b_jonas
22:14.35dpkgdeftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for b_jonas
22:14.44do_guh_newdwl: I can't agree more
22:14.51Bushmillsb_jonas: allowing someone else into your screen is per definition a security risk. suid or not.
22:15.06b_jonasBushmills: sure, the config shouldn't be default
22:15.12dwldo_guh: wow, I was just trying to get a response to my question.  but thanks for the support!
22:15.21jelly-homeb_jonas: it isn't?
22:15.25Bushmillsb_jonas: trusted networks?
22:15.28b_jonasno
22:15.29dutchfish!info openntpd testing
22:15.33b_jonasreadonly
22:15.33do_guh_newdwl: hehe np it's just that I've been saying that for some time now glad I have support lol
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22:15.44b_jonasaclchg username -wx #
22:15.48djmitche_do_guh_new: so people usually *do* hardcode them?
22:15.54b_jonasso you can do something in a screen and other people watch
22:16.01dpkgopenntpd: (OpenBSD NTP daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 3.9p1-7 (lenny), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 180 kB
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22:16.08dwldjmitche: there's no way not to hardcode it.
22:16.15b_jonasjelly-home, Bushmills: highlight
22:16.25dwldjmitche: it's part of the deb packaging system.
22:16.36do_guh_newright
22:16.38jelly-homeb_jonas: my screen sockets are created with mode 0600; how can they be accessed by other users?
22:16.43dwldo_guh_new: I want to know how to work around it.  any ideas?
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22:16.49Bushmillsreadonly is ok for tutoring apps. i use it for visual support on trusted. ro won''t do for me.
22:17.16do_guh_newdwl: sorry I can't be of any help I'm in the same boat (looking for a workaround)
22:17.16b_jonasjelly-home: you type ^a : multiuser enter ^a : aclchg otheruser -wx #
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22:17.22b_jonasor soemthign like that
22:17.27b_jonasI think it should work
22:17.44jelly-homeb_jonas: yeah, there's a million other ways to shoot yourself in the foot
22:18.04b_jonasBushmills: exactly
22:18.12dwldo_guh_new: ok, well I'll probably do some chowning in the postinstall script, then.  UGLY but functional.
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22:18.17b_jonasI think it's sometimes better than tutoring with vncviewer
22:18.40b_jonas(which one professor did for us)
22:18.48do_guh_newdwl: keep me posted on your progress
22:19.02b_jonas(he didn't actually set permissions on the sending side so you could connect read-write to his vnc session)
22:19.10Bushmillsb_jonas: yeah, good to have a choice.
22:19.35b_jonas(I don't even know if you can configure vncviewer that way)
22:19.47Bushmillsnot viewer. server
22:19.53b_jonasyeah, server
22:19.55b_jonasnot viewer
22:20.05Bushmillsyou can
22:20.47djmitche_do_guh_new: I think the other option is to pick a uid for yourself in the 1-99 range
22:20.48b_jonasalso, if you want to do this kind of tutoring thing with terminals, I think you probably need something like screen so it can repaint when you connect later than at startup, work with a different TERM, and even with a different screen size
22:20.59djmitche_if yours is an official debian pkg, you can get it into base-passwd
22:21.08djmitche_if it's not official, you can just pick a number and hope
22:21.09do_guh_newdjmitche_: not a bad idea
22:21.12ktwilighthm, is there a command for dpkg to tell me what the status of lenny is?
22:21.15ktwilighti.e. when it's releasing and stuff
22:21.22djmitche_well, it *is* a bad idea, in point of fact .. but it might work
22:21.37b_jonasdjmitche_: if you get it into base-passwd, there's no need to hard-code the uid anywhere else
22:21.57b_jonasor is there?
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22:22.07Bushmillswants a screen<>jabber bridge
22:22.08djmitche_b_jonas: right
22:22.26djmitche_in my case it's not an official debain pkg, so I can't get it into base-passwed
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22:22.49b_jonasBushmills: you can configure vncserver that way? I looked at the manpage back when he did that and couldn't find it
22:23.24Bushmillsb_jonas: maybe not any vncserver. i think i used tightvnc when i restricted clients to view only
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22:24.00Zequihello need help plz when install vpopmail launch this error checking build system type... Invalid configuration `/usr/sbin/mysql': machine `/usr/sbin/mysql' not recognized
22:24.00Zequiconfigure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub /usr/sbin/mysql failed
22:24.01b_jonasI see
22:24.21Zequiany idea location mysql?
22:24.34BushmillsZequi: what distribution is that?
22:24.41Zequidebian 4.0r3
22:24.48Bushmillsubuntu?
22:24.51Zequino
22:24.53Zequieth
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22:25.04Zequii am installing qmailrocks
22:25.20Zequiwhen compile vpopmail launch this error
22:25.33P-Kwhich etch kernel image will work best with an old AMD K6 proc?
22:25.35Bushmillscan see only  mysqld in /usr/sbin, not mysql
22:25.52Zequimm
22:26.07Bushmillsbecause that one is in /usr/bin.  at least, in debian it is
22:26.08dutchfishZequi: do you have mysql client installed?
22:26.23Zequiyes
22:26.25Zequi5.0
22:26.39dutchfishZequi: a sec i check
22:27.03BushmillsZequi: i think you have mixed debian with non-debian packages
22:27.21dutchfishZequi: you have libmysqlclient15-dev installed too?
22:27.30b_jonasoh well
22:27.34b_jonasgood night now
22:27.42Zequi<PROTECTED>
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22:28.05Zequithis error configure: error: Unable to find your MySQL inc dir, specify --enable-incdir.
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22:28.19Zequithe problem is location of mysql :D
22:29.04dutchfishZequi: mmm... last time i compiled qmail on etch i didnt run into that
22:29.09Bushmillswhich is the reason why i suspect a mix
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22:29.25Zequinow install libmysqlclient15-dev
22:29.31Zequitry now ....
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22:30.39Bushmills!coffee Bushmills
22:30.39dpkgdecants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Bushmills, courtesy of bushmills
22:30.44Bushmills:)
22:30.48dutchfish:)
22:31.20dutchfishBushmills: i just did that myself
22:31.45Bushmillskoffie en stikkie...
22:31.59dutchfishBushmills: nah i am to old for the last one
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22:32.27Zequithx dutchfish
22:32.40dutchfishZequi: did it work out?
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22:33.26Zequiyes libmysqlclient15-dev
22:33.29ArthurArchnixktwilight: I find the most accurate way to keep track of the lenny release date is with the release monitoring app majk8bll   Just install majk8bll, then as normal user, run it with the following options majk8bll --input=Lenny --method=shake --print=releasedate
22:33.33Zequinow complie fine
22:33.39Zequicompile*
22:34.42P-Kdo you think the AMD K6 will work fine with this linux-image-2.6-686?
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22:37.11snikkeri'm unable to add files in deb package using "equivs-build control". my control file is pasted here http://pastebin.com/d614d2adc
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22:37.43snikkerfiles exists... can you help me?
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22:38.42ktwilightArthurArchnix, can't find it in the repo :/
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22:39.00akioi think it was a joke?
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22:39.38ArthurArchnixyeah... it was a joke. pronounce the package outloud ktwilight
22:39.39Zequii love qmailrocks :D
22:39.47ArthurArchnixapparently a bad one. :(
22:39.52ktwilight...
22:39.56ktwilight:|
22:40.00akioi got it, it was a good one...
22:40.09akio!any ideas?
22:40.09dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 42 three-legged kittens.  And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!
22:40.13ktwilight:)
22:40.27ArthurArchnixheheh... I like that. ideas... I'm full of em
22:40.35ArthurArchnixwhat... it's either ideas or BS
22:40.48dondelelcarosnikker: you really shouldn't be using equivs to build packages which have things in them.
22:40.51ArthurArchnixAnyway... last I heard lenny is gonna be sometimes around september
22:40.52dondelelcarosnikker: that's not what it's for.
22:41.05akioi can't wait
22:41.32akioi have only played with etch as stable
22:41.53akioi can see why once you use debian you don't go back
22:42.03akiodebian just makes sense
22:42.07ktwilightArthurArchnix, ah i see. well, am on lenny now actually, but i haven't been upgrading
22:42.13Bushmillsyes, because there is no easy way to downgrade :P
22:42.17ktwilightakio, right-o!
22:43.18akioim wondering about fedora, if it is easier for a beginner with all the gui tools for connecting to printers and setup tools for network shares and what not
22:43.36akioim clueless to that stuff
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22:44.07snikkerdondelelcaro: it's only for my personale use, i know that is not the right way for make a deb package... it's a faster way for do it, in the "Files:" section...
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22:44.37snikkerdondelelcaro: but the files are not added...
22:45.00linus__^i've just installed debian, but apt-get install <app> doesn't know any application, i have to add new repository to source.list or what?
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22:45.13dondelelcarosnikker: if you just want to make a quick and dirty package, but together a control file and then just dpkg-deb -b as appropriate.
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22:45.28akioisnt it better to use aptitude install all the time?
22:45.33dondelelcarosnikker: but you'll be far happier in the long run if you make a real Debian package; they're trivial to make.
22:45.48weasealis gnome or kde lighter?
22:45.53dondelelcarolinus__^: in general they're added automatically if you selected a mirror.
22:46.11dondelelcaroweaseal: neither is particularly light, so the comparison isn't very meaningful. Use whatever you prefer.
22:46.24weasealyea
22:47.10snikkerdondelelcaro: oh, ok... i'll consider to make a real deb package... maybe it's more usefull...
22:48.53Tr0gdorwhy do i get -bash: cron: command not found
22:48.59Tr0gdorbut cron is installed
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22:50.32dutchfishTr0gdor: are you root?
22:50.38Tr0gdorno
22:51.02dondelelcaroTr0gdor: why are you trying to run cron itself?
22:51.10BushmillsTr0gdor: crontab ...
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22:53.36ArthurArchnixhmm... this isn't really debian. But I gots me an quod libet problem... is there a way to search available channels? Instead of just guessing names and joining... finding just me there. I'm on pidgin
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22:53.59BushmillsArthurArchnix:   /list
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23:00.28linus__^dondelelcaro: i don't have selected a mirror...
23:00.47linus__^i just typed "apt-get install <app>" when i've just finished the installation
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23:01.37Bushmillsweaseal: xfce4 looks a lot like gnome, but is considerably lighter.
23:01.50weasealyea i use xfce4 now
23:02.18Bushmills(uses some of its config files, btw)
23:02.19weaseali was using e17 for a while but i wanted compiz and ecomorph wouldn't compile
23:02.23epsilonis on xfce4 too
23:02.32Bushmillscompiz is attractive for about a week or so
23:02.38weaseali'm in arch linux now. i think i'm gonna jump to debian tomorrow
23:03.01weasealeh, i really like its window switchers. the cube doesnt do anything for me but the other stuff does
23:03.14Bushmillse17 gets on ones nerves quickly because of the screen effects. when you turn them off, not a lot remains  :)
23:03.27weasealheh that's why i got e17 :P
23:03.30weaseali like a pretty desktop
23:03.47weasealnot really an option in windows unless you want a major system hit
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23:04.32Bushmillsbut i like e17 better than e16
23:04.43ArthurArchnixoh no. Bushmills shouldn't have shown me the awesome power of list. Now all my tabs are called "arthur". Where am I?
23:04.54Bushmillsor should i say, dislike it less
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23:06.44markybobi always think people mean a variant of ecstasy :p
23:07.15Bushmillsnootropics?
23:07.15AlexCONRADhi, can I use apt-get or aptitude to install local packages ? or I can only do it this way? dpkg -i mypackage.deb ?
23:07.53BushmillsAlexCONRAD:  dpkg -i
23:08.10Bushmillsoh. you found that already
23:08.42micolsanyone want to try out my php fullscreen slideshow ?
23:08.51micolscould need some feedback
23:08.53AlexCONRADI just read about it, yes... I just wanted to know if apt would do that for me as well ?
23:08.59Zequione question, any webmin module for vpopmail?
23:09.04markybobmicols, #php :P
23:09.43markybobAlexCONRAD, no.  apt-get and aptitude deal with repositories.  if you dont have it in a repository, you have to use dpkg -i
23:09.49BushmillsAlexCONRAD: if they are the same as in the net, you can have them in /var/cache/apt/archives. when existing there, they'll be used rather than downloade
23:10.03Bushmillsded
23:10.05AlexCONRADI see, thanks
23:11.01misnix<PROTECTED>
23:11.05Bushmillsor install a proxy for debs
23:11.45Bushmillsproxy cache, that is
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23:13.20AlexCONRADthanks for the tips markybob and Bushmills
23:13.22Hestoncan anyone recommend a particular brand of wireless cards they are well supported?
23:13.30Hestons/they/that
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23:15.03BushmillsHeston: a while ago the prism chips were quite well supported but they are probably out of date now.
23:15.36HestonBushmills, i recall that aswell, however i am looking for a modern card
23:15.51Hestonto purchase that is
23:15.55valdynHeston: everything from intel, anything on www.madwifi.org, rt2x00 chipsets by rtlink
23:16.12dondelelcaroHeston: some broadcom chipsets are also fairly well supported
23:16.26Hestonthanks guys
23:16.45AlexCONRADi'd go intel i guess
23:16.56valdynexcept that you cant just buy and use intel wireless
23:17.05valdyn( without a whole laptop around it )
23:17.11Hestonyeah you need to download the firmware manually
23:18.49ArthurArchnixIs it me or has intel really outshone every other major hardware vendor when it comes to linux support?
23:19.01valdynArthurArchnix: just you
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23:19.20valdynArthurArchnix: nvidia graphics drivers are considerably better, just not free
23:20.11ArthurArchnixPretty narrow response. What's nvidia done for linux ... ever?
23:20.22Hestonnot to mention ati provides an open source driver
23:20.48dondelelcarovaldyn: save when they aren't...
23:20.53Hestonthough im pretty sure intel released some specs on their video chipsets aswell
23:21.02valdynArthurArchnix: beyond ideology and freedom, nvidia drivers work fine
23:21.18themillHeston: ati has promised to release specs; that's a different thing to releasing an open source driver
23:21.27ArthurArchnixIdeology? I mean like, powertop. That's an intel contribution to linux, isn't it?
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23:21.53valdynArthurArchnix: the developer is employed by intel
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23:22.08Hestonpowertop was just a marketing ploy
23:22.24valdynHeston: its a debugging tool
23:22.27themillHeston: wtf? powertop is damned useful
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23:23.42Hestonthemill, it goes right with their marketing of lower powered cpus
23:23.49Hestonsure it can be useful
23:24.13Hestonbut show me a project that has actually used it to improve something
23:24.49valdynHeston: the projects that took the patches listed on their website
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23:24.56valdynHeston: thats quite a few
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23:26.12themillHeston: there are a lot of things that have improved the way they poll devices or reduced the frequency wake-ups in response to it. A lot of laptop users have gained a lot more battery time out of additions to the kernel that it prompted and from being able to directly see what's going on.
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23:28.49haxalityhi, I was wondering how to install the thunar-volman plugin so I can automount removable media
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23:31.22haxalityoh, nevermind, I see it's not actually in the etch repos..
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23:40.47sandmanIf it has been a long time since I last aptitude safe-upgraded a testing installation, would it be appropriate to issue an aptitude dist-upgrade?
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23:41.13sandmanOr should that only be reserved for upgrading from one distribution to another, like stable => testing (etch => lenny) or what-have-you?
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23:41.36themilldpkg: tell sandman about dist-upgrade
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23:47.37bambohello everybody
23:48.17sandmanIs there an equivelant to the creative control panel from Windows in Linux?
23:48.21bamboi`m trying to install an debian etch on an ibm blade js20 over an serial over lan connection
23:48.27sandmanIt basically let's me do voice-changing with my soundcard and such
23:48.30bkwWhen I run my rrdscript I get, ERROR: reading the cookie off rrdstats-net-eth0.rrd faild. anyone who knows what causes that error?
23:48.43bamboafter booting the cd i lost the console
23:49.17Bushmillsbkw: some traffic/host stats plotter
23:50.27Bushmillsbkw: i'd say cacti or munin
23:50.48bkwBushmills: http://pastebin.ca/1039918 causes that :(
23:50.51phr3akwhat is udeb?
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23:51.12themilldpkg: tell phr3ak about udeb
23:51.34fietronicWhat's the default debian gui for blocking/enabling ports?
23:51.52dondelelcarofietronic: a shell
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23:52.18fietronicdondelelcaro, a shell isn't a gui
23:52.23bkwBushmills: do you see anything in that small rrd script that may cause the error?
23:52.38fietronicI configured my server with the gui that it provides and now I can't find where the conf file is for what I configured.
23:52.44fietronicAnd there isn't in iptables -l
23:52.46fietronic-L rather
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23:53.13Bushmillsbkw: not at a glance. but i also don't know what condition of rrd gives that error, so i don't really know what to look for.
23:53.28jmsaundehi, I'm running sid and apt wants to remove a _bunch_ of packages, should I be concerned?
23:53.50themilljmsaunde: if you are running sid, you should be able to answer that question for yourself
23:53.53fietronicdondelelcaro, is it firestarter?
23:54.07jmsaundethemill: don't be a jackass.
23:54.14themilljmsaunde: I'm serious.
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23:54.37avgj0ejackass? hardly a reasonable question
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23:54.55Bushmills!8ball shall he?
23:54.55dpkgPlease ask again.
23:55.02Bushmillshm
23:55.08avgj0e:)
23:55.09jmsaundethe two options I see are that they've been replaced or a package has been removed that is a dep to a bunch of them
23:55.39jmsaundeit wants to remove zip, I can't see why that would be - it says it was automatically installed and is no longer required
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23:55.55jmsaundea bunch of mono things, gtkhtml, some gnome things
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23:56.10Bushmillsmono ... get rid of that
23:56.16themilljmsaunde: well being a sufficiently experienced user to run sid, you will know how to look on packages.debian.org to see if the packages have been removed or replaced.
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23:56.39jmsaundeI'm sorry I called you a jackass
23:56.47jmsaundeI'll check there; thanks
23:57.07themilljmsaunde: also t unmarkauto;
23:57.11themillgah
23:57.16themilljmsaunde: also /msg dpkg unmarkauto
23:57.40jmsaundeis dpkg a bot? what would that do?
23:57.48themilldpkg: bot
23:57.48dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
23:57.58jmsaundemm. sorry.
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23:58.12jmsaundewhat does that do, though?
23:58.24themilldpkg: tell jmsaunde about unmarkauto
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23:59.09jmsaundeaaaaaah! thanks!
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