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| 00:00.55 | jmsaunde | mm. broken packages. joy. |
| 00:01.13 | Mexflubber | Hello all, I'm willing to install a debian server but need to know how difficult It could be, can someone assist me by pm ? |
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| 00:04.23 | Mexflubber | I want to know how difficult it can be to install a firewall with ip tables, a mail server with web mail. Postgres, Apache, Php and other things I can't remember now. I'm a well experencied linux user with others distributions. How long would it take normally to install it ? |
| 00:04.36 | AlexCONRAD | hi, I'm trying to install the java package using dpkg -i sun-java6-jre_6-06-0ubuntu1_all.deb |
| 00:04.40 | AlexCONRAD | but it has dependencies |
| 00:04.44 | AlexCONRAD | which I downloaded |
| 00:04.50 | themill | AlexCONRAD: are you running ubuntu? |
| 00:04.56 | eclipseee | which serial keygen crack for debian? |
| 00:05.19 | AlexCONRAD | but I can't figure out how to install everything in one shot |
| 00:05.41 | Mexflubber | Any help please? |
| 00:05.46 | Bushmills | AlexCONRAD: don't mix ubuntu and debian |
| 00:05.50 | akio | how do i run the network interface configurator from the debian-installer once up and running? |
| 00:06.00 | akio | i need to configure a pcmcia card |
| 00:06.16 | akio | it wasn't configured at install time |
| 00:06.24 | eclipseee | ? |
| 00:06.26 | themill | Mexflubber: it's not a big job... configuring the packages is mostly the same, you'll just need to work out the package names you need. use packages.debian.org, apt-cache and apt-file for that. /msg dpkg search |
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| 00:06.26 | AlexCONRAD | i'm not mixing anything |
| 00:06.29 | Bushmills | AlexCONRAD: use the debian packages instead |
| 00:06.40 | themill | AlexCONRAD: so are you using ubuntu not debian then? |
| 00:06.40 | AlexCONRAD | well, i'm under ubuntu :) |
| 00:06.44 | mm_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/17360/ i get these errors, someone help (PM would be nice too) |
| 00:06.44 | Bushmills | sure, you are using ubuntu stuff. that's no good for a debian system |
| 00:06.48 | themill | AlexCONRAD: so ask in #ubuntu |
| 00:07.05 | AlexCONRAD | themill: segregation I say |
| 00:07.07 | mm_ | Debian |
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| 00:07.12 | mm_ | I used the Ubuntu pastebin though |
| 00:07.17 | Bushmills | AlexCONRAD: bummer. why do you waste our time with questions which are not relevant here? |
| 00:07.26 | mm_ | Someone gave me a link to the Debian one but I already used the Ubuntu's so oh well |
| 00:07.37 | themill | AlexCONRAD: do you go into ##windows and ask ubuntu questions there? |
| 00:07.48 | Bushmills | AlexCONRAD: nobody can tell you. nobody knows. you need ubuntu specialists |
| 00:07.54 | mm_ | oh you're talking to him eh |
| 00:07.56 | mm_ | ;) |
| 00:08.08 | AlexCONRAD | well, dpkg it the same |
| 00:08.09 | mm_ | AlexCONRAD: /join #ubuntu |
| 00:08.13 | mm_ | it's as lively as this one |
| 00:08.16 | mm_ | except i'm banned |
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| 00:08.36 | themill | AlexCONRAD: dpkg is not the same between ubuntu and debian. Now please stop arguing and ask elsewhere. |
| 00:08.43 | Mexflubber | themill: Ty a lot, a reasonable time aproximation? I need to get it done by Monday. Do you think it can be done? |
| 00:09.22 | Bushmills | AlexCONRAD: we can tell you how to deal with it .. but as we assume you have a debian system, you'll end up with a broken system |
| 00:09.26 | AlexCONRAD | themill, Bushmills, mm_: ok, sorry for bugging |
| 00:09.37 | Bushmills | and i',m sure many people would love to break your box |
| 00:09.44 | mm_ | With a hammer |
| 00:10.11 | AlexCONRAD | i feel like ubuntu is not welcome here |
| 00:10.19 | jmsaunde | liboobs-1-3 depends on system-tools-backends (>=2.1.2) and I have 2.6.0-1 installed but it's complaining about the req |
| 00:10.22 | themill | Mexflubber: depends on how much configuration you'd be looking at doing and just how good you are at setting it up. I'd leave myself a half-day to do the setup and a half day for testing it out if it was a simple setup. And probably be happy that there'd be time for a coffee in between. |
| 00:10.25 | Bushmills | nothing against ubuntu. |
| 00:10.26 | AlexCONRAD | i'm okay talking with people from redhat, as i'm originally a fedora user |
| 00:10.36 | Bushmills | but many users don't seem to be able to read |
| 00:11.10 | jmsaunde | themill: the reason I'm using sid is I need the newer libs to do development, I'm a programmer, just not a very competent admin. it'll come. |
| 00:11.15 | akio | lspci recognizes the card fine |
| 00:11.18 | Bushmills | they seem to confuse debian with ubuntu and ask stuff about their system without telling that they don't run debian |
| 00:11.22 | Bushmills | that's always a waste of time |
| 00:11.30 | akio | it doesnt appear in ifconfig though |
| 00:12.14 | themill | jmsaunde: you probably don't want to be using the latest libs for development anyway as that restricts who can use your program.... sometimes you need to, but don't fall into the trap of newer == better because it's often not. |
| 00:12.20 | Bushmills | look, #linspire also uses dpkg |
| 00:12.29 | Mexflubber | themill could you answer my question in private message? |
| 00:12.38 | Bushmills | but they won't be able to tell you about ubuntu |
| 00:12.45 | jmsaunde | themill: I'm not concerned with distribution; I'm doing graphics code in haskell |
| 00:12.50 | aib | has anyone upgraded to subversion 1.5 (not available in repos yet), and how did you do it? |
| 00:12.54 | jmsaunde | well; and other languages too heh |
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| 00:13.22 | gravity | AlexCONRAD: It's not a problem with talking with users of other distros. It's that Debian and Ubuntu are different, and people who need help with Ubuntu should really go to the appropriate forum. |
| 00:13.37 | gravity | AlexCONRAD: This channel is really about Debian itself, not the derivative distros. |
| 00:13.40 | Bushmills | proof that many ubuntu users can't read is in the topic |
| 00:14.12 | akio | is there a debian script to configure the module to be loaded for my pcmcia card? |
| 00:14.24 | jmsaunde | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483884 looks like others are having the same problem |
| 00:14.30 | akio | like how do i find what module that i need to load? |
| 00:14.39 | akio | its a rt2500 chip |
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| 00:14.58 | AlexCONRAD | got it |
| 00:15.01 | AlexCONRAD | sorry |
| 00:15.14 | amphi | akio: there's an rt2500 module - I believe there are at least two drivers for such cards |
| 00:15.14 | k-man_ | how do you restart syslogd in debian? it doesn't seem to have an entry in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 00:15.56 | akio | is it in etch amphi? |
| 00:15.56 | themill | jmsaunde: if you're just doing development not *debian* then lenny is probably a better choice for you than sid anyway. The differences should be minimal but lenny is less broken. |
| 00:15.59 | k-man_ | oh, is it sysklogd? |
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| 00:16.36 | amphi | akio: dunno - moprobe -l | grep rt2500 would tell you |
| 00:16.40 | jmsaunde | themill: hm okay, thanks |
| 00:17.17 | akio | its not coming up |
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| 00:17.35 | themill | jmsaunde: just a thought. Check the differences on packages.debian.org for the packages that you really care about. (or use apt-cache policy packagname) |
| 00:17.37 | akio | i had this thing working fine but i went from lenny to etch with a reinstall |
| 00:17.40 | Bushmills | my munin rules/suck ratio grapher is here: http://stats.verhau.de/localdomain/localhost.localdomain-rulesuckratio.html. only started aquisition so not a huge history yet. |
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| 00:18.41 | jmsaunde | themill: would it be suicidal to dist-upgrade to lenny from sid? |
| 00:18.44 | akio | amphi: its in etch, i just needed to download it |
| 00:18.54 | themill | jmsaunde: other way around. |
| 00:19.05 | amphi | akio: src? then module-assistant is your friend |
| 00:19.14 | themill | jmsaunde: erm.. hang on... |
| 00:19.14 | akio | not src |
| 00:19.19 | akio | its a deb |
| 00:19.31 | themill | jmsaunde: didn't you say you were already running sid? |
| 00:19.36 | jmsaunde | yeah |
| 00:19.52 | jmsaunde | TO lenny FROM sid |
| 00:20.02 | themill | jmsaunde: so going to lenny is a downgrade not an upgrade. |
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| 00:20.21 | themill | jmsaunde: which you can't really do, other than to change your sources.list and wait for packages to migrate. |
| 00:20.25 | jmsaunde | yep, but wouldn't it still classify as dist-upgrade? they're kinda disjoint |
| 00:20.47 | bkw | hmm.. I would be grateful if anyone could give a hint about why my script http://pastebin.ca/1039941 causes "ERROR: reading the cookie off rrdstats-net-eth0.rrd faild" |
| 00:20.58 | themill | jmsaunde: no, apt won't downgrade packages like that |
| 00:21.03 | dimedo | hi, is there a way to pass make arguments to dpkg-buildpackage? i would like to let make know of my multiprocessor system |
| 00:21.28 | jmsaunde | so I could change my sources and update and it'd be kinda like "wtf" but after a time it'd start to level off |
| 00:21.33 | jmsaunde | ...right? |
| 00:22.53 | bkw | Bushmills: Do you know if I need any packages else than rrdtool? |
| 00:22.55 | amphi | dimedo: I think it also uses the env var CONCURRENCY_LEVEL (equiv. to make's -jN) |
| 00:23.37 | Bushmills | bkw: librrd2 but that's probably a dependency |
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| 00:23.40 | themill | jmsaunde: yeah, that will work out. There will be a few packages that won't migrate to lenny from sid because they are frozen now, but you'll be ok. You could also /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 00:23.49 | Mexflubber | My server has 2 MB in video .. which graphic interface you suggest me to install? I don't know what for but they asked me to do it. |
| 00:24.03 | jmsaunde | themill: cool. I think I can sort through most of the problems |
| 00:24.10 | themill | jmsaunde: happy hunting |
| 00:24.17 | nevyn | Mexflubber: xvncserver |
| 00:25.01 | nevyn | Mexflubber: if you only have 2mb of videoram the server is not well suited to running the linux graphical subsystem. |
| 00:26.32 | Bushmills | Mexflubber: reduce bits per pixel rather than resolution. |
| 00:27.03 | bkw | Bushmills: yes. librrd2 was installed. |
| 00:27.25 | bkw | hmm, there's something that triggers that error in the script that I can't find. |
| 00:27.40 | bkw | Bushmills: do you know of any similar simple script that work? :) |
| 00:27.43 | Mexflubber | nevyn, Bushmills: Thx |
| 00:27.55 | Bushmills | Mexflubber: but see that you can keep it on 15 or 16 bits per pixel, or paletted color maps per app may annoy a bit when moving the mouse. |
| 00:29.18 | cafuego | nevyn: Piffle! Back in the eighteen-flipties we ran X on 512Kb of vram! |
| 00:29.37 | Bushmills | Mexflubber: oh. server. don't worry. |
| 00:29.38 | themill | cafuego: 512Kb! Luxury! |
| 00:29.39 | enouf | dimedo: and amphi , IIRC, there now is a -J option |
| 00:29.46 | Bushmills | no graphic, easy. |
| 00:30.24 | jmsaunde | what does the {u} after a package mean in apt? |
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| 00:30.39 | cafuego | dimedo: it should honour MAKEFLAGS but some apps may have their own variable, like CONCURRENCY_LEVEL or soemsuch. Check the debian/rules file. |
| 00:31.10 | mm_ | brb. beef pie.. mm |
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| 00:31.35 | cafuego | dimedo: ... and some apps don't compile when you use -j, so be careful. |
| 00:32.08 | mark17 | i did move some files to a dir (using mv) and now are the other files in that dir gone. is it possible to restore the files that are gone (i know the discspace is still in use) |
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| 00:35.57 | vvd | how does new software find its way into debian= |
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| 00:37.26 | udit | hey guys, anyone know how to repackage a source package thats been packaged using CDBS ? |
| 00:37.55 | enouf | !dbugs 472337 |
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| 00:38.28 | cafuego | vvd: blood hounds |
| 00:38.48 | dpkg | #472337:N[usplash] fix for parallel builds (dpkg-buildpackage -j); Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:06:01 UTC |
| 00:38.50 | vvd | cafuego: ^^) |
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| 00:40.01 | enouf | and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=458589 |
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| 00:41.31 | cafuego | enouf: But rather than dpkg not passing it, i was thinking apps with broken internal build depends, so -j would try to build B, which might depend on A, but A might not be built yet... sort of thing. |
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| 00:41.55 | cafuego | enouf: A non-broken makefile should prevent this, but thy're not all non-broken. |
| 00:42.37 | enouf | cafuego: i need more coffee .. ;-) |
| 00:42.51 | cafuego | well, you'r not having mine |
| 00:43.17 | gnat_x | while the idea of running a dual boot vista / lenny setup on my laptop is fast fading, as i see with my own eyes what a piece of crap vista is, i do have a question or two about the technical feasibility of so doing. i know that i can scale down the vista partition to 15G or so, and then put debian on the rest. but i wanted to fully encrypt my linux partition(s) and use LVM. |
| 00:43.41 | gnat_x | is it possible to do those things without writing over the whole disk |
| 00:43.58 | themill | gnat_x: /msg dpkg dual boot guide |
| 00:44.15 | cafuego | gnat_x: Yes, you can resize vista and use the rest without overwriting vista. |
| 00:44.21 | enouf | after using google to locate the info about dpkg-buildpackage that should've already been in my bookmarks, then to find b.d.o not loading and dealing with the dbugs command and finally bookkmarking what i wanted, i can now finally go get more coffee |
| 00:45.11 | themill | !coffee enouf |
| 00:45.11 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for enouf, courtesy of themill |
| 00:45.11 | cafuego | hmm |
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| 00:46.03 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: coffee (.*?) =~ s/broth/(broth|brew|mud)/ |
| 00:46.03 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
| 00:46.12 | Mexflubber | Bushmills: Thanks.. I'm not considering in installing an graphics server only if the people that hired me want some grachis on it. |
| 00:46.40 | Bushmills | Mexflubber: send them a link to flickr |
| 00:46.45 | enouf | (not to mention, i could've swore after reviewing all this stuff last time that i opened man dpkg-buildpackage and found a -j option, which seems eerily missing now) |
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| 00:47.10 | cafuego | -jjobs Number of jobs allowed to be run simultaneously, equivalent to the make(1) option of the same name. |
| 00:47.19 | cafuego | enouf: It's present here. |
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| 00:47.22 | Bushmills | Mexflubber: or, generate some server stats in html+graphics, access by remote web browser |
| 00:47.36 | cafuego | Though in all fairness, this isn't debian. |
| 00:47.41 | Bushmills | everybody happy |
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| 00:48.09 | enouf | cafuego: must've been an svn version i was viewing .. friggin odd |
| 00:48.43 | kanzure | I just modified my /etc/hosts file; but when I go to a URL, I get the wrong place (not what /etc/hosts says it should be). Do I have to run a command to update some daemon? |
| 00:48.55 | Mexflubber | Bushmills: Yup I was thinking on doing that. =) |
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| 00:49.56 | Bushmills | kanzure: nope. ping host name, compare ip address |
| 00:51.20 | kanzure | Bushmills: ping gets it right, Opera doesn't |
| 00:52.09 | ArthurArchnix | After I login on tty I have it set to automatically startx... but this takes a while. Anywhere from 6-12 seconds of staring at nothing... is it possible to avoid immediately switching to TTY7 and watching 'x' load... perhaps instead to display a fortunes quote, and startx in the background, and only switch to TTY7 after say, five seconds? |
| 00:52.16 | Bushmills | kanzure: doesn't sound like a hosts problem. check opera proxy use. turn it off or a test. |
| 00:53.06 | gravity | ArthurArchnix: I guess you could alter your *dm script to run fortune and sleeping before starting X |
| 00:53.09 | kanzure | No proxies in use. Hm. |
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| 00:53.21 | Bushmills | kanzure: empty opera cache |
| 00:53.50 | kanzure | how does the cache have anything to do with the IP address it's pulling |
| 00:54.25 | Bushmills | seeing old - same - host name, reads same old page from cache rather than loading new |
| 00:55.15 | ArthurArchnix | my dm is .xinitrc but I see what you mean I think.... |
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| 00:56.14 | gravity | Well, whatever executes startx then |
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| 00:57.00 | applemilk | i need to be able to watdch yoputube videos.. i'm using xfce4 on this.. :P |
| 00:57.01 | applemilk | ppc |
| 00:57.17 | applemilk | gnash, flash, as long as it plays youtube on iceweasel |
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| 00:58.03 | Bushmills | applemilk: thanks for your answer. who was asking, btw? |
| 00:58.05 | SeveredCross | gnash might do youtube, I'm not sure. |
| 00:58.15 | applemilk | it does |
| 00:58.20 | applemilk | so i've heard |
| 00:58.43 | applemilk | i heard it now does YouTube and other flash video sites which is why i'm interested |
| 00:59.54 | applemilk | how do i get them working? i just got debian |
| 01:01.09 | applemilk | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/gnash |
| 01:01.17 | applemilk | i found that in the backports but it looks like an older version |
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| 01:03.47 | ArthurArchnix | Ok, well, sleep doesn't do exactly what I wanted. It will just delay loaded 'x' while you read the quote. I was looking for more along the lines of login successful, print quote, begin loading x in background. I can do it before, say by printing a quote before the login prompt.Or after, immediately run 'fortune" upon login to xfce... but what I can't do it get a quote printed while waiting for x to load up. |
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| 01:04.51 | applemilk | so how do i get flash |
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| 01:08.14 | ArthurArchnix | there's a wiki page on flash. try /msg flash failing that, just download the tar.gz from Adobe and copy the .so file into your plugin directory |
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| 01:08.57 | applemilk | ok |
| 01:10.41 | mark17 | i did move some files to a dir (using mv) and now are the other files in that dir gone. is it possible to restore the files that are gone (i know the discspace is still in use). i know it is possible |
| 01:10.44 | ArthurArchnix | sorry.... just tried it. The correct thing to do is /msg dpkg flash |
| 01:10.49 | applemilk | ok |
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| 01:12.51 | kanzure | I have a user on my system that has forgotten his password. What now? |
| 01:13.18 | liable | reset it |
| 01:13.29 | liable | man passwd |
| 01:13.34 | kanzure | liable: `passwd` requires the old password |
| 01:13.43 | liable | kanzure: not if your root |
| 01:13.46 | enouf | mark17: explain better please |
| 01:13.48 | kanzure | logs out of the user |
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| 01:14.55 | PhrkOnLsh | hibernate silently fails on my laptop; is there any way to get debug info from it? |
| 01:15.17 | akio | is the epiphany/webkit browser usable yet? |
| 01:15.19 | enouf | could you be more vague? |
| 01:15.26 | mark17 | enouf: i just moved some files from harddisc A to harddisc B (using mv /home/admin/* /mnt/home/home/ instead off mv /home/admin /mnt/home/home/ |
| 01:15.43 | mark17 | it did delete everything in /mnt/home/home/ |
| 01:15.56 | mark17 | and i need to recover it |
| 01:16.10 | enouf | mark17: oh, so copy them back? |
| 01:16.19 | enouf | wait, what? |
| 01:16.36 | enouf | mark17: which FStype? |
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| 01:16.50 | PhrkOnLsh | kay, hibernate v=4 gives me some info: |
| 01:16.53 | mark17 | also /mnt/home/home/ did have a few directorys that are deleted |
| 01:16.59 | mark17 | ext3 for as far as i know |
| 01:17.07 | enouf | !undelete |
| 01:17.07 | dpkg | from memory, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html, With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 01:17.34 | mark17 | there isnt an other way? |
| 01:17.46 | mark17 | i am all ready waiting for ext3grep to work |
| 01:17.59 | mark17 | but it is slow and i have to do 10+GB :( |
| 01:18.03 | enouf | pay a few thousand to a HDD forensics company? |
| 01:18.19 | mark17 | that would take even longer |
| 01:18.26 | mark17 | so isnt an option to be honest |
| 01:18.55 | enouf | not to mention the $$$ for not having backups, eh? |
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| 01:19.48 | enouf | switches from coffee mode-> beer mode |
| 01:20.16 | mark17 | enouf: the backups where planned to start sunday :( |
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| 01:21.24 | enouf | mark17: might as well have been on New Years Day ;-) |
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| 01:22.24 | Akuw2 | what application can i use to open an adobe ilustrator file? |
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| 01:22.56 | enouf | file filename says? |
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| 01:23.07 | enouf | .eps ? |
| 01:23.19 | Akuw2 | .ai |
| 01:23.20 | PhrkOnLsh | Akuw2: a quick apt-cache search shows me python-uniconvertor will at least convert it to sth you can use with other tools |
| 01:23.30 | enouf | don't know |
| 01:23.38 | Akuw2 | anouf: hi |
| 01:23.46 | enouf | hi |
| 01:23.57 | enouf | is enouf :-P |
| 01:24.03 | PhrkOnLsh | Akuw2: python-uniconvertor will import ai and export svg, and vice versa |
| 01:24.18 | Akuw2 | humm |
| 01:24.19 | Akuw2 | thanks |
| 01:24.22 | PhrkOnLsh | so you can use, say, inkscape to edit the files |
| 01:24.45 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, i lied, xaralx is in apt |
| 01:24.48 | PhrkOnLsh | try that :) |
| 01:24.59 | Akuw2 | E: Couldn't find package python-uniconvertor |
| 01:25.13 | enouf | !mantra |
| 01:25.29 | PhrkOnLsh | apt-cache show python-uniconvertor |
| 01:25.39 | PhrkOnLsh | wanton:~# apt-cache show xaralx |
| 01:25.46 | enouf | !info python-uniconvertor etch |
| 01:26.13 | Akuw2 | W: Unable to locate package xaralx |
| 01:26.17 | Akuw2 | what repo |
| 01:26.18 | PhrkOnLsh | mm, Akuw2 are you running etch or lenny? |
| 01:26.23 | Akuw2 | etch |
| 01:26.25 | enouf | [21:23:05] [dpkg] Package 'python-uniconvertor' does not exist. |
| 01:26.26 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm talking about the lenny archives |
| 01:26.37 | enouf | !info python-uniconvertor lenny |
| 01:26.55 | PhrkOnLsh | Sorry, Akuw2, I dunno about etch... |
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| 01:27.01 | dpkg | python-uniconvertor: (Universal vector graphics translator), section python, is optional. Version: 1.1.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 440 kB, Installed size: 1816 kB |
| 01:27.20 | PhrkOnLsh | !info xaralx etch |
| 01:27.22 | enouf | !tell Akuw2 -about backports |
| 01:27.32 | udit | anyone here familiar with CDBS ? |
| 01:27.54 | Akuw2 | well |
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| 01:28.08 | Akuw2 | i don't want to use no official ports |
| 01:28.12 | Akuw2 | don't worry |
| 01:28.15 | enouf | Akuw2: you could also use pdo to search for pkgs, and apt-file is a good tool to install and use |
| 01:28.23 | Vi^PirePengy2 | !debhelper |
| 01:28.24 | dpkg | i guess debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 01:30.20 | bkw | anyone here who knows why my rrd script http://pastebin.ca/1039918 causes ERROR: reading the cookie off rrdstats-net-eth0.rrd faild |
| 01:30.29 | enouf | Vi^PirePengy2: are you looking for maintainers guide info? (debuild, pbuild, buildd, etc), do /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 01:30.37 | bkw | no rrdtool gurus here today? :( |
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| 01:31.47 | Akuw | hi |
| 01:31.49 | Akuw | i am back |
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| 01:35.39 | PhrkOnLsh | welcome back, ale666 |
| 01:35.48 | PhrkOnLsh | er, stupid tab completion |
| 01:35.52 | PhrkOnLsh | welcome back, Akuw |
| 01:36.32 | Akuw | i can't use my nick for some reason, i had to use akuw2 |
| 01:36.38 | Akuw | now i can |
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| 01:41.32 | Bushmills | Akuw: /msg nickserv help ghost |
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| 01:44.34 | cylux | Hey, could someone that is running Debian please pastebin the output of apt-get -v for me? Thanks in advanced. |
| 01:45.23 | Bushmills | cylux: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212716711429344681.png |
| 01:45.45 | cylux | Thanks. |
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| 01:47.42 | Murrlin | evening. |
| 01:48.31 | Murrlin | if xscreensaver and xlock aren't even installed, what is running instead? |
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| 01:48.47 | markybob | gnome-screensaver |
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| 01:48.55 | Murrlin | doh! |
| 01:48.59 | Murrlin | I just found it ^^ |
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| 01:50.24 | keith4_ | how do I find which package provides /usr/bin/pam_auth ? |
| 01:50.52 | Bushmills | keith4_: from your installed packages? or from all? |
| 01:51.52 | keith4_ | good question |
| 01:51.59 | Bushmills | ty |
| 01:51.59 | enouf | keith4_: apt-file, dpkg -S |
| 01:52.06 | keith4_ | I don't currently have /usr/bin/pam_auth, but I'd like to have it ;-) |
| 01:52.13 | enouf | keith4_: apt-file |
| 01:52.19 | Bushmills | apt-file search ... |
| 01:52.19 | keith4_ | oh, duh |
| 01:52.24 | Murrlin | thanks marky |
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| 01:53.01 | enouf | keith4_: alternatively, p.d.o |
| 01:53.35 | keith4_ | dare I ask? |
| 01:53.44 | enouf | !pdo |
| 01:53.44 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 01:53.53 | keith4_ | oh |
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| 01:54.41 | keith4_ | huh. it's part of squid |
| 01:54.43 | keith4_ | weird |
| 01:54.54 | enouf | wow, Giambi, walk-off game-winning 2 run HR .. (Encore/repeat) |
| 01:55.02 | AwesomeGuy | I'm trying to install a package file with dpkg and it just gives me constant problems |
| 01:55.10 | keith4_ | what sort of problems? |
| 01:55.31 | Bushmills | AwesomeGuy: a debian package? |
| 01:55.31 | AwesomeGuy | first, it sayd it needed a command thing, I looked in the man page, and I can't figure out wich one to use |
| 01:55.36 | AwesomeGuy | .deb |
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| 01:55.45 | Bushmills | a package from the debian distribution? |
| 01:55.57 | AwesomeGuy | it's stella |
| 01:56.07 | Bushmills |  a package from the debian distribution? |
| 01:56.09 | AwesomeGuy | for some reason it's not in the normal apt-get thing |
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| 01:56.43 | AwesomeGuy | why isn't stella in the normal apt-get thing? |
| 01:56.55 | enouf | Maude rules |
| 01:57.34 | enouf | and why isn't there an interstella pkg? |
| 01:57.42 | enouf | O_o |
| 01:57.50 | Bushmills | maybe i need to set my font larger, for easier reading. |
| 01:57.51 | AwesomeGuy | what's maude? |
| 01:58.00 | AwesomeGuy | stella is an atari 2600 emulator |
| 01:58.07 | AphisOne | Can someone help me with apt-get. I am getting an error everytime I try to do anything. The error is "samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.24-6etch9) but 3.0.24-6etch10 is installed" I attempted uninstalling samba-common and I get the same eror. I think it did uninstall but now how do I install the older version? |
| 01:58.13 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: I thought it was a 1980s New Wave thing. |
| 01:58.23 | AwesomeGuy | well it isn't. |
| 01:58.41 | Bushmills | then use the debian package. |
| 01:58.49 | Bushmills | don't mix debian with non debian |
| 01:58.56 | Bushmills | (assuming you run debian) |
| 01:58.59 | AwesomeGuy | apt-get install stella gets nothing |
| 01:59.11 | Bushmills | stella is in debian |
| 01:59.12 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Good assumption if the question's being asked here. |
| 01:59.15 | PhrkOnLsh | AphisOne: did you recently change from etch to lenny, or so? |
| 01:59.24 | keith4_ | is it non-free or contrib? |
| 01:59.25 | PhrkOnLsh | or rather, lenny to etch |
| 01:59.31 | karsten | finds stella but not maude. |
| 01:59.39 | AwesomeGuy | I got the .deb package from the stella website |
| 01:59.52 | Bushmills | AwesomeGuy: are you running debian? |
| 01:59.56 | enouf | sulks in the bad joke about "and then there's maude" |
| 02:00.04 | AwesomeGuy | obviously, yes |
| 02:00.06 | AphisOne | PhrkOnLsh: no... as far as I recall... this has always been etch |
| 02:00.10 | AwesomeGuy | why would I be here if I wasn't? |
| 02:00.12 | Bushmills | etch or lenny? |
| 02:00.28 | karsten | enouf: There's no such thing as a bad joke. |
| 02:00.44 | PhrkOnLsh | karsten: Why did the chicken cross the road? |
| 02:01.05 | AwesomeGuy | I've seen the word etch alot using debian, so I guess etch |
| 02:01.07 | karsten | PhrkOnLsh: Everybody knows that one. |
| 02:01.14 | karsten | PhrkOnLsh: It was stapled to the punk rocker. |
| 02:01.15 | Bushmills | stella is in etch |
| 02:01.17 | AwesomeGuy | etch and grub |
| 02:01.27 | markybob | hrm |
| 02:01.30 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:01.31 | enouf | !find stella etch |
| 02:01.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'stella' (3): stella ;; stellarium ;; stellarium-data. |
| 02:01.43 | enouf | !info stella etch |
| 02:01.44 | dpkg | stella: (Atari 2600 Emulator for SDL & X windows), section contrib/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1097 kB, Installed size: 2928 kB |
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| 02:01.55 | AwesomeGuy | if it's there, why does it tell me it's not there when I try it? |
| 02:01.59 | karsten | calls it a day. |
| 02:02.03 | liable | stellaaaa! |
| 02:02.05 | markybob | you need to add "contrib" to your sources.list |
| 02:02.07 | markybob | then apt-get update |
| 02:02.13 | enouf | liable: heh |
| 02:02.17 | Bushmills | AwesomeGuy: paste your sources.list, maybe there's a reason |
| 02:02.18 | AwesomeGuy | where is sources.list |
| 02:02.22 | markybob | /etc/apt/ |
| 02:02.36 | enouf | !tell AwesomeGuy -about grounding |
| 02:02.39 | markybob | just add "contrib" after "main" |
| 02:02.41 | karsten | liable: Are you going to run a little speach about the kindess of strangers next? |
| 02:02.48 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:02.50 | AwesomeGuy | it should really come with contrib in there, not make you have to add it yourself. |
| 02:03.01 | drs- | Hi ive set up bastille and when i run the firewall script i get "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" how can i go about fixing this? |
| 02:03.04 | karsten | AwesomeGuy: Debian does what you tell it to do. |
| 02:03.06 | enouf | troll |
| 02:03.07 | liable | karsten: no, thats the extent of my knowledge about street cars |
| 02:03.16 | Bushmills | AwesomeGuy: you choose that during installation |
| 02:03.26 | AwesomeGuy | I did? |
| 02:03.27 | karsten | liable: I coulda been a contendah! |
| 02:03.27 | PhrkOnLsh | AwesomeGuy: You choose whether you want contrib when you install |
| 02:03.38 | karsten | liable: Anyhow, laterz. |
| 02:03.41 | Bushmills | there's a "yes" or "no" query asking about that |
| 02:03.46 | liable | bye |
| 02:03.51 | AwesomeGuy | I just installed debian, I never saw that in there. |
| 02:03.59 | AwesomeGuy | maybe I missed it. |
| 02:04.17 | AphisOne | PhrkOnLsh: I get the error "E: samba: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 102" from Synaptic when I try to da anything |
| 02:04.28 | AwesomeGuy | and my sources.list has 'main contrib' in it a few times |
| 02:04.36 | keith4_ | since when does it ask if you want contrib enabled? |
| 02:04.58 | keith4_ | i've never seen it ask |
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| 02:05.35 | PhrkOnLsh | AphisOne: Ewbuntu solution but should work: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/1556 |
| 02:05.43 | AwesomeGuy | what do I put to be able to get stella? should main contrib be a line by itself? |
| 02:05.53 | PhrkOnLsh | keith4_: Netinst does it. Both lenny and etch |
| 02:06.13 | charzero | OpenSolaris just hosed my partition table (had debian on extended partition). I don't think it actually wrote over the disk. Is there any way to rebuild the partition table by reading the whole disk? |
| 02:06.15 | AwesomeGuy | I used the netinst |
| 02:06.16 | PhrkOnLsh | AwesomeGuy: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 02:06.17 | PhrkOnLsh | or so |
| 02:06.25 | keith4_ | PhrkOnLsh, bullshit |
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| 02:06.40 | PhrkOnLsh | whatever your archive would be, the distro, and etc |
| 02:06.50 | PaulTT | Hi all, how can I output the entire contents of a file (i.e. more, but without stopping for me to press the space bar) |
| 02:06.50 | akio | so i figured out how to improve the sound quality |
| 02:06.54 | keith4_ | actually, I probably haven't done any installs other than PXE boot in a few years |
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| 02:07.02 | akio | turn the channel down on the mixer |
| 02:07.05 | akio | lol |
| 02:07.06 | PhrkOnLsh | keith4_: Oh, ,I'm sorry, I'm just going off of personal experience having installed a debian system on a server today |
| 02:07.32 | PhrkOnLsh | PaulTT: cat |
| 02:07.39 | keith4_ | PhrkOnLsh, you can't make a sweeping generalization about all installation procedures based on the one method that you used |
| 02:07.52 | PaulTT | PhrkOnLsh: thanks! I couldn't remember |
| 02:08.05 | AwesomeGuy | cool thanks, that one worked |
| 02:08.23 | PhrkOnLsh | keith4_: I say it's in netinst; I downloaded the damned image TODAY. Is it wrong for me to assume other people who download the same iso will have this option? |
| 02:08.33 | FroodooVoodoo | okey.. thank you :) |
| 02:08.39 | PaulTT | now is there a way to cat a file starting at a specific line number? |
| 02:08.57 | Bushmills | PaulTT: with sed |
| 02:09.52 | jetscreamer | waves |
| 02:10.19 | markybob | you should probably just use tail |
| 02:11.10 | PaulTT | markybob: and take number of lines - line position? |
| 02:11.10 | keith4_ | PhrkOnLsh, yes |
| 02:11.24 | PaulTT | it's a very very large file |
| 02:11.26 | PhrkOnLsh | Oh, I'm terribly sorry for using common sense, keith4_ |
| 02:11.35 | PhrkOnLsh | Never again will I use it. |
| 02:11.41 | FroodooVoodoo | in kde? |
| 02:11.44 | Bushmills | for last n lines yes, but for "fromon line n"? |
| 02:11.46 | keith4_ | be sorry for assuming |
| 02:11.54 | keith4_ | don't worry about it. just don't let it happen again |
| 02:12.00 | PhrkOnLsh | o.O |
| 02:12.07 | PaulTT | I'm looking at the sed man page, but I don't see how I can use it to start output at a specific line and continue to the end |
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| 02:12.10 | FroodooVoodoo | he isn't the son of naked snake |
| 02:12.13 | FroodooVoodoo | lol |
| 02:12.14 | PhrkOnLsh | is out to dinner. Enough wasting time with incoherent fools |
| 02:12.40 | Inazad | someone here has already did Flash and PHP ?! |
| 02:12.41 | liable | smells troll |
| 02:12.44 | Bushmills | PaulTT: sed -n startline,999999p file |
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| 02:13.06 | Bushmills | can probably also say "till end" instead of 999999 but i forgot how |
| 02:13.07 | PaulTT | ...? |
| 02:13.12 | PaulTT | oh |
| 02:13.14 | PaulTT | so.. |
| 02:13.16 | PaulTT | if I want to start at line 100 |
| 02:13.19 | FroodooVoodoo | magentar: yup.. that's what it says when you try to use it on a sata drive |
| 02:13.25 | PaulTT | sed -n 100,<last line> /path/to/file |
| 02:13.27 | PaulTT | ? |
| 02:13.33 | markybob | p |
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| 02:14.09 | Bushmills | sed -n 100,1000p /path/file shows lines 100...1000 |
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| 02:20.14 | PaulTT | thanks! |
| 02:21.58 | Bushmills | sed 10d file ... |
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| 02:22.34 | AphisOne | PhrkOnLsh: Thank you for that link... I didn't even think of that.... I really appreciate that ... it did work! |
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| 02:25.48 | Bushmills | ah. sed 1,10d file shows 11 till end |
| 02:25.58 | FroodooVoodoo | ;) yeah |
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| 02:32.48 | PaulTT | ? |
| 02:32.49 | PaulTT | so... |
| 02:32.59 | PaulTT | if I wanted to see line 100 to end sed 1,99d file? |
| 02:34.09 | PaulTT | on the subject of sed, if I want to find and replace a string, is this correct: sed -i 's/### SAVE ORDERED IDS TO SEARCH CACHE ###\;/\;/g' /path/to/file where the string to find is "### SAVE ORDERED IDS TO SEARCH CACHE ###;" and the string to replace with is ";"? |
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| 02:34.17 | FroodooVoodoo | yeah |
| 02:34.21 | Bushmills | PaulTT: looks good |
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| 02:34.33 | PaulTT | escape the ;'s and not the #? |
| 02:34.46 | john__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/17380/ i want gnash on tihs powerpc computer... debian etch.. |
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| 02:37.22 | ninjaslim | i've seen in screenshots a lot of people have in their terminal a utility that prints the debian logo along with system specs, does anyone know what packages provides this |
| 02:37.30 | FroodooVoodoo | all of yals music sucks d: |
| 02:37.37 | Bushmills | no need to escape # between ' ' |
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| 02:38.31 | Bushmills | final g probably not needed. |
| 02:38.52 | Bushmills | unless source string found more than once per line |
| 02:38.53 | Enforcer_ | how do I setup my box to use the net via wifi with dhcp? |
| 02:38.58 | FroodooVoodoo | you mean nasa twerps |
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| 02:39.55 | Bushmills | and ; probably also no need for escape |
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| 02:40.43 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: depends on what wlan card you have. lspci will list what pci devices you have, depending on what car dyou have, you'll need to google or apt for the drivers, which will hopefully exist. Install the modules and it appears as a network interface |
| 02:40.50 | FroodooVoodoo | vista |
| 02:40.56 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 02:41.41 | Enforcer_ | wont it be installed like my ethernet card is? |
| 02:42.26 | Enforcer_ | RaLink RT2500 |
| 02:42.42 | Enforcer_ | 802.11g |
| 02:43.28 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: yeah, as an interface, configurable vie /etc/network, ifconfig, iwconfig (specific to configuring wireless card settings) |
| 02:44.47 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 02:44.52 | akio | Enforcer_: i have found that the lenny installer works better with wifi-installs |
| 02:44.56 | FroodooVoodoo | so i am trying to do dual screens (same res each screen) with an nvidia card |
| 02:45.14 | akio | i just installed over wifi |
| 02:45.27 | akio | with pxe |
| 02:45.33 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: update, prepare, select and then select the rt2500 module. It'll build it and set up the box to play nice with it |
| 02:45.51 | Enforcer_ | already got module-assistant |
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| 02:46.42 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: is it in there? :) |
| 02:47.18 | enouf | keith4: don't be a fucking idiot, Sarge installer also asked about whether you want to add contrib and non-free .. very explicitly |
| 02:47.46 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: your common sense is dead on - forget the b0z0s |
| 02:48.10 | PhrkOnLsh | enouf: ;) |
| 02:48.12 | markybob | wow. talk about a delayed reaction. |
| 02:48.17 | markybob | this was already over with |
| 02:48.28 | gbp | enouf: lol |
| 02:48.32 | enouf | as a mattrer of fact .. the DFSG would be shit without those questions! |
| 02:48.54 | enouf | markybob: i want out to get food ;-) |
| 02:49.00 | enouf | went* |
| 02:49.38 | akio | expert modes ask for contrib and non-free |
| 02:49.59 | enouf | (nice $21.00 Bacon cheeseburger deluxe, side of onion rings, etc etc) |
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| 02:50.21 | gbp | $21!!! |
| 02:50.34 | enouf | extras! |
| 02:50.49 | Enforcer_ | what? |
| 02:50.56 | enouf | this is suburbia NY! |
| 02:51.06 | Cromag | i pay 20+ extas normaly.. |
| 02:51.18 | Bushmills | imported onions? |
| 02:51.31 | Cromag | handpicked and cut with diamonds |
| 02:51.34 | enouf | haha, nope, but beer-battered ;-) |
| 02:52.01 | PhrkOnLsh | And I"m stuck with oven pizza. THANKS enouf ;) |
| 02:52.05 | Cromag | its not burgerking or mcd.. |
| 02:52.13 | Bushmills | transportation costs... explains it |
| 02:52.30 | WormFood | fuck! $20 where I live would buy you a feast |
| 02:52.44 | Cromag | it could here to, and it is. |
| 02:52.56 | Cromag | quality gives a different felling.. |
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| 02:53.40 | Cromag | but im allways in for a HarvestGrain and Nut combo from IHOP... |
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| 02:53.44 | WormFood | I've seen $20 here feed well, a group of 7 people |
| 02:53.49 | enouf | oh sure.. there are some 9.99 all you can eat buffets around here too |
| 02:53.49 | Bushmills | all to often price is mistaken as quality, though. |
| 02:53.54 | Bushmills | too |
| 02:54.26 | WormFood | I'm not talking about a buffet....I don't think they have those here....and the quality is good |
| 02:55.14 | Cromag | im tired. |
| 02:55.24 | Cromag | anyone for some coffee ? |
| 02:55.38 | Bushmills | !coffee Cromag |
| 02:55.38 | dpkg | decants a fine mud of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Cromag, courtesy of bushmills |
| 02:55.52 | Cromag | hurray |
| 02:55.52 | WormFood | I don't drink coffe.....I just wished I could find my Mtn. Dew here |
| 02:55.59 | PhrkOnLsh | !coffee dpkg |
| 02:55.59 | Cromag | heh |
| 02:55.59 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for dpkg, courtesy of phrkonlsh |
| 02:56.21 | Bushmills | still have 6 kg of fine coffee beans n the fridge |
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| 02:56.41 | Cromag | why, when you dont drink coffee ? |
| 02:57.07 | Bushmills | (asked several people as compensation for small favours a few coffee beans... |
| 02:57.27 | Bushmills | then the supplies started rolling in :) ) |
| 02:57.41 | Cromag | again; you dont drink it :) |
| 02:57.58 | Bushmills | me? i do |
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| 02:58.06 | WormFood | what a great idea |
| 02:58.06 | Bushmills | WormFood doesn't |
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| 02:58.09 | Cromag | oh doh, i misread. |
| 02:58.10 | Cromag | :D |
| 02:58.15 | WormFood | I should ask for donations in Mtn. Dew |
| 02:58.18 | Cromag | and yes, a really good idea :) |
| 02:58.52 | Bushmills | really very decent brands and origins. |
| 02:59.02 | Bushmills | 3 kg good beans from sicily, |
| 02:59.03 | Cromag | 'dude, fix my compouter' - 'sure, for 100g of that jamaican sweatness from the coffee store' :D |
| 02:59.15 | WormFood | what I really want, is Mtn Dew syrup, and a fountain machine, so I can just mix my own |
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| 02:59.35 | Cromag | Bushmills: is that good ? |
| 02:59.37 | Bushmills | great for espresso |
| 02:59.40 | Cromag | ah |
| 02:59.46 | Cromag | i would imagine |
| 02:59.51 | Bushmills | yes, definitely |
| 02:59.54 | streuner_ | Bushmills: sicily? |
| 02:59.55 | WormFood | Cromag, they sell "jamaican sweatness", that killer weed, at the coffee store? |
| 03:00.07 | Bushmills | grey import |
| 03:00.10 | Cromag | WormFood: suuuure they do :D |
| 03:00.22 | Cromag | Bushmills: still sounds lovely actually. |
| 03:00.24 | Bushmills | sender runs cafe |
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| 03:01.11 | Bushmills | i happen to use an espresso can for my brew, so those beans fit perfectly. |
| 03:03.23 | Cromag | Bushmills: they say that it is the best way to get a good cup. |
| 03:03.31 | Cromag | a espresso can.. |
| 03:03.34 | Cromag | anØ |
| 03:03.36 | Cromag | * |
| 03:03.40 | Bushmills | an |
| 03:04.01 | Bushmills | you probably know the type of cans i mean .. this style http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212721384372254319.png |
| 03:04.15 | pickcoder | has anyone managed to get an EPL printer to print graphics from CUPS? |
| 03:04.37 | Cromag | yes, but never tried using one. |
| 03:05.48 | Bushmills | great espresso. not quite the ease of a pushbutton operated espresso machine but not a lot of effort either. |
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| 03:06.34 | Cromag | and it is supposed to give better results. |
| 03:07.38 | streuner_ | pickcoder: does the driver support that? |
| 03:08.10 | streuner_ | pickcoder: what kind of printer is that? Did you look at linuxpriniting.org yet? |
| 03:08.39 | pickcoder | streuner_: who knows? the ESP Zebra driver supports EPL1 in line and page mode and ZPL |
| 03:08.51 | pickcoder | I assume since CUPS is raster, it would send a graphic |
| 03:10.14 | pickcoder | the machine has 1.1 on it so I had to massage the PPD from ZPL to EPL |
| 03:10.52 | pickcoder | 1.2 supposed to ship with EPL capability, but I'm not sure why the PPD would document other driver langs if it didn't support it |
| 03:11.02 | pickcoder | EPL/ZPL is Zebra, brtw |
| 03:11.07 | pickcoder | -btw |
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| 03:13.44 | pickcoder | the S600/S500 are ZPL printers, which are on the lp.org list |
| 03:13.50 | PhrkOnLsh | Enforcer_: did module-assistant have the module for rt2500? |
| 03:13.59 | pickcoder | EPL is the Eltron language from before Zebra purchased Eltron |
| 03:14.25 | pickcoder | I'm trying to figure out how to get a DHL GIF shipping label onto a 4x6 EPL label |
| 03:14.27 | pickcoder | fun... |
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| 03:15.41 | \amethyst | pickcoder: can EPL do arbitrary bitmaps, or only fonts? |
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| 03:16.10 | pickcoder | EPL accepts zb64 compressed bitmaps or PCX |
| 03:16.13 | pickcoder | er |
| 03:16.16 | pickcoder | PNG |
| 03:16.33 | pickcoder | I've been unable to get a PNG uploaded and printed |
| 03:16.54 | pickcoder | bitmaps exceed the buffer |
| 03:17.12 | pickcoder | and cause repeated flashings of firmware to unfreeze the printer |
| 03:17.20 | pickcoder | quite annoying |
| 03:18.19 | Cromag | damn, i ate to much.. |
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| 03:18.28 | Cromag | no i ahve WAAAAAY to much energy! |
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| 03:20.16 | pickcoder | I was just curious if maybe someone had managed to actually print *something* to an EPL printer using the EPL/ZPL driver. We don't ship enough boxes via DHL right now to justify more research. |
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| 03:23.40 | Gm4n | I'm paying for a server from a hosting company (ie, I have no physical access), but the debian image came split into lots of partitions that I don't want. Is there any way to non-destructively merge into one partition? |
| 03:24.23 | pickcoder | Gm4n: image, as in the install has mount points on multiple partitions? |
| 03:25.32 | Gm4n | yeah, different patitions mounted on /, /usr, /var, /tmp, etc |
| 03:25.37 | \amethyst | however, non-whitespace vs whitespace in IFS are treated differently |
| 03:25.38 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:26.29 | pickcoder | Gm4n: is it possible at all? yes. Is it worth the pain and agony? no, IMO |
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| 03:27.15 | Gm4n | pickcoder: I'm running into a lot of pain and agony due to undersized /tmp and /var partitions already ;) |
| 03:27.20 | wols | Gm4n: remount everything read only and copy all "outlying" partitions into / then delete outlying partitions and increase / then to use up the space formerly occupied by the other partitions |
| 03:27.28 | wols | do a dryrun at home first |
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| 03:27.55 | Gm4n | alrighty, and I use fdisk to do this? |
| 03:28.01 | wols | no |
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| 03:28.15 | wols | gparted for increasing / |
| 03:28.36 | streuner_ | Gm4n: they can't install Debian for you? |
| 03:28.51 | wols | streuner_: they already have |
| 03:29.04 | Gm4n | streuner_: they imaged it with sarge, which I've dist-upgraded since |
| 03:29.06 | streuner_ | if they did, so they can do that again |
| 03:29.20 | Gm4n | I don't have a choice of what it's getting imaged with |
| 03:29.46 | Gm4n | "debian" = sarge broken into partitions |
| 03:29.48 | wols | Gm4n: when was this imaging done? |
| 03:30.00 | Gm4n | 3/4 of a year ago |
| 03:30.12 | wols | even then it was very late for using sarge |
| 03:30.25 | Gm4n | I checked 1/4 year ago, and they still hadn't updated image ;) |
| 03:30.26 | wols | pickcoder is right thi: it will be a pain to do |
| 03:31.21 | streuner_ | why not just change the hoster and go to someone which has newer Debian? |
| 03:31.39 | Gm4n | I dist-upgraded myself, that's irrellevant |
| 03:31.56 | Gm4n | because they're very cheap and functional, even if they don't have recent images ;) |
| 03:32.14 | Bushmills | phoronix linux benchmark suite (gpl) has hit v 1.0 today, coming with about 300 benchmarks now. not in debian yet. http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com |
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| 03:32.44 | streuner_ | Bushmills: feel free to maint. it :-P |
| 03:32.57 | Cromag | anyone have a promo code for amazon.co.uk ? :D |
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| 03:34.01 | streuner_ | Gm4n: hm |
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| 03:34.10 | streuner_ | less money, less support |
| 03:34.22 | Gm4n | I support myself :) |
| 03:34.23 | pickcoder | Gm4n: it's not dedibox is it? |
| 03:34.33 | Gm4n | hmm, gparted is a gnome frontend for parted |
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| 03:34.41 | Gm4n | I don't use a GUI, just ssh :P |
| 03:35.14 | Gm4n | is this worth VNC + gnome session, or will parted do fine for me? |
| 03:35.24 | PaulTT | so it turns out there are lots of comments within this file... all ### <text here> ###; ... to replace them all with a semi-colon, I thought I'd use the following: sed -i 's/###(.*)###\;/\;/' /path/to/file, but it appears that doesn't work. |
| 03:35.50 | Bushmills | Gm4n: how much is "cheap" for what hardware, bandiwidth etc? |
| 03:36.17 | john__ | Hey. I am running Debian Etch on my iMac G3. I want "gnash" or "swfdec" or whatever I can to get YouTube working fine at normal frames here. |
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| 03:36.35 | wols | john__: does not exist |
| 03:36.50 | john__ | wols: so there's no way I can get flash working here? |
| 03:36.56 | streuner_ | gnash does not exit for PPC? |
| 03:37.02 | streuner_ | exist even |
| 03:37.21 | wols | it does, but is not fully youtube compatible last I saw. especially not for etch |
| 03:37.35 | streuner_ | use a backport then |
| 03:37.46 | wols | with gnash, I'd check out cvs first |
| 03:37.59 | Gm4n | Bushmills: (and others interested in my hosting): I pay $100/month for a 2.2ghz 64bit AMD box with 1gig of ram and a raid1 pair of 160gb hard drives with 160gb included ftp backup, 100mbit connection, and 2tb/month transfer. |
| 03:38.02 | john__ | vols: i don't really know how to use cvs since i'm more of a newbie |
| 03:38.41 | Bushmills | Gm4n: not cheap |
| 03:38.41 | streuner_ | Gm4n: uhm, for what do you use the server? |
| 03:38.50 | wols | Gm4n: especnsive as heck |
| 03:38.58 | tyler | thats not very expensive |
| 03:39.01 | tyler | thats extremely cheap |
| 03:39.12 | wols | it is. you get better for 50EUR here (and we have 19% VAT) |
| 03:39.15 | Gm4n | that's cheap for a dedicated box... this is not virtualized |
| 03:39.19 | ttick | okay, I upgraded my xorg package, now I can't get xdm to work. The login screen comes up, but my keyboard and mouse won't work. I tried: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that didn't fix it. Logfile says "No input driver matching 'mouse'" and 'kbd'. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 03:39.20 | wols | US servers are very expesnsive |
| 03:39.29 | Gm4n | 19% VAT? |
| 03:39.30 | tyler | i pay $70/month for 100mbit, 5 ips, 1tb transfer, 1gb ram, and its a 2.8ghz intel |
| 03:39.32 | tyler | no ftp |
| 03:39.35 | wols | Gm4n: yes 50EUR here is dedi too |
| 03:39.38 | tyler | hard drive is 1x250gb |
| 03:40.06 | tyler | well |
| 03:40.10 | streuner_ | Gm4n: tax |
| 03:40.14 | tyler | Gm4n: is it dual core? |
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| 03:40.33 | wols | tyler, Gm4n http://forum.ingame.de/diablo2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1394840 |
| 03:40.41 | wols | tyler, Gm4n http://hetzner.de/rootserver_en.html |
| 03:40.44 | wols | 2nd one |
| 03:41.07 | pickcoder | I loved dedibox until their US fiber provider started clipping bandwidth due to torrent abusers |
| 03:41.26 | Bushmills | 49 EUR for 2 gbyte ram, 800 gbyte hd, dual core amd, 1 terabyte/m 100 mbit, above that shaped to 10 mbit. /29 net in addition to main ip address. |
| 03:41.59 | wols | Bushmills: 2x400GB, 2GB RAM |
| 03:42.01 | tyler | i was takling about a us server ;o |
| 03:42.04 | wols | at least here |
| 03:42.11 | tyler | and actually, i hate dedicateds anymore |
| 03:42.13 | Bushmills | wols: yes., same hoster i think |
| 03:42.15 | wols | tyler: yes and I said dedis in the US are insanely expensive |
| 03:42.20 | tyler | oh |
| 03:42.23 | Bushmills | starts with H, 7 letters :) |
| 03:42.26 | Gm4n | well, mine's a dedicated in the US |
| 03:42.29 | Gm4n | so I think price is decent |
| 03:42.29 | tyler | my description, above, is of course us |
| 03:42.36 | tyler | i dont pay too much heh |
| 03:42.37 | pickcoder | Gm4n: really |
| 03:42.50 | pickcoder | who do they use for their backbone |
| 03:43.01 | streuner_ | wols: do you work for hetzner by any chance? :-) |
| 03:43.04 | wols | Gm4n: do a ping hetzner.de |
| 03:43.06 | wols | streuner_: no |
| 03:43.16 | Gm4n | pickcoder, Bushmills, everybody: http://1and1.com |
| 03:43.33 | pickcoder | Gm4n: you don't get a monthly credit by promotion do you? |
| 03:43.35 | Bushmills | Gm4n: no way . burocrats there |
| 03:43.35 | wols | but I daily use a server of theirs (a friend has one by them). and they are cheap especially compared to US. and fast |
| 03:43.37 | pickcoder | ;) |
| 03:43.54 | Bushmills | flee. move on if you got a server there. |
| 03:44.26 | wols | Gm4n: lol. it's the most expensive rootserver hoster in .de. THey introduced the concept of rootservers. but they are 1and1 and therefore shitty. ask any german |
| 03:45.06 | Gm4n | pickcoder: I think there's some way I can get referral credit, but I've never referred anyone (and don't knwo what my ID is or anything) |
| 03:45.06 | Bushmills | Gm4n: they were resellers of schlund before. no technicians. then they took over schlund. |
| 03:45.15 | ttick | okay, on my xorg question: do I now need to install seperate driver modules for keyboards and mice for xorg? |
| 03:45.26 | ttick | is this something new? |
| 03:45.43 | streuner_ | generally no |
| 03:45.56 | wols | ttick: why do you think so? |
| 03:45.57 | pickcoder | hrm.. I don't see Debian listed in their OS options |
| 03:46.15 | wols | pickcoder: 1and1 was the initial reason for debtakeover |
| 03:46.24 | Gm4n | pickcoder: you can get your machine reimaged later |
| 03:46.25 | wols | suse was the only game with them |
| 03:46.29 | ttick | wols: because my old config file keeps reporting "cannot find driver: 'kbd'" |
| 03:46.31 | pickcoder | ah.. there it is |
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| 03:46.47 | Gm4n | in any case, I'm still wondering... do I need gparted, or is parted good enough? |
| 03:46.50 | ttick | or rather: "no input driver matching 'kbd'" |
| 03:46.53 | wols | ttick: in theory and empty xorg.conf is enough now |
| 03:46.56 | Bushmills | i used to put debian images on 1&1 servers |
| 03:46.59 | streuner_ | !drxx ttick |
| 03:46.59 | dpkg | ttick: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 03:47.10 | Bushmills | as they come with rescue system, not a difficult thing to do |
| 03:47.25 | ttick | yeah, I've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:47.40 | wols | ttick: what is the error? |
| 03:47.50 | wols | the exact error |
| 03:47.56 | wols | ideally the whole log |
| 03:48.12 | Gm4n | Bushmills: so I could (fairly) easily boot into rescue and merge my partitions? |
| 03:48.16 | Bushmills | but hetzner definetely beats 1&1 in all regards. |
| 03:48.48 | Gm4n | once I'm out of my 1&1 contract, I'll take a look :) |
| 03:49.00 | Bushmills | Gm4n: a second server to temporarily copy to would be great |
| 03:49.21 | Gm4n | I have a second server |
| 03:49.29 | Gm4n | (no, not with 1&1, don't worry :P) |
| 03:49.30 | Bushmills | the rescue system doesn't provide a lot of space. and as far they only came with one disk |
| 03:49.41 | ttick | wols: the exact error is: (EE) No Input driver matching `mouse' and one for `kdb' |
| 03:49.59 | Bushmills | (hetzner puts 2 disks a 400 gbyte in - which makes reshuffling much easier) |
| 03:50.05 | thonit | I 'm trying to get sound working in amsn; I have both tcl8.4 and tk 8.4 installed; is there a way to reconfigure sound? I have tried alsaconf... |
| 03:50.07 | streuner_ | ttick: show us the whole error in paste.debian.net |
| 03:50.26 | ttick | streuner_: hmm, kinda hard. I can't bring up a gui. |
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| 03:50.50 | Gm4n | Bushmills: but can't I just use parted and cp -rp? :) |
| 03:50.59 | Bushmills | Gm4n: but yes, then you should be fine. rsync to other server, merge and rsync back, from rescue system |
| 03:51.08 | ttick | streuner_: suggestions on pasting the log w/o a gui? |
| 03:51.15 | streuner_ | gpm |
| 03:51.17 | streuner_ | !gpm |
| 03:51.17 | dpkg | from memory, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 03:51.49 | peterS | that factoid needs a serious update. though it was pretty accurate in 2003. |
| 03:52.02 | streuner_ | peterS: feel free :-) |
| 03:52.08 | peterS | I wasn't asking your permission |
| 03:52.11 | Gm4n | Bushmills: I don't get why I need the other server... I'm not out of disk space by any means |
| 03:52.26 | streuner_ | peterS: why do you ask then? |
| 03:52.32 | peterS | I didn't ask |
| 03:53.02 | Bushmills | Gm4n: because you want a backup even if merge would be non-destructive. |
| 03:53.05 | streuner_ | that statement sounded like a question |
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| 03:53.15 | ttick | pasting in #flood |
| 03:53.32 | peterS | I have no idea what question you thought I was asking |
| 03:53.44 | thonit | quit |
| 03:53.54 | Gm4n | Bushmills: Is my "local" (on their site) ftp backup is good enough? |
| 03:53.56 | Bushmills | Gm4n: though i'd probably just copy to alt server(s) anyway and fdisk delete/create/ and move back (or new system) |
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| 03:54.19 | Bushmills | Gm4n: any place where you can dump data is fine. |
| 03:54.34 | ttick | streuner_: pasted the last bit in #flood. Need to see more? |
| 03:55.05 | Bushmills | if you need some extra capacity i should have parking space left too. (4 servers) |
| 03:55.07 | Gm4n | Bushmills: it just seems to me like remounting a partition read only and copying it to / shouldn't be too killer |
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| 03:56.15 | Bushmills | and after copy? you wanted to merge a number of small partitions. wasn't sure whether you wanted lvm or recreate large partition on diskl |
| 03:56.58 | ttick | streuner_: also getting this: "(EE) Failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 03:57.04 | Gm4n | ok, now I'm confused... can't I just then unmount the partition, move the copied data to the mount point, and then delete the partition? |
| 03:57.16 | ttick | which is why I'm wondering if I'm missing a dependency or something. |
| 03:57.25 | streuner_ | ttick: what kind of keyboard, what kind of mouse do you have? |
| 03:57.54 | ttick | streuner_: laptop: ThinkPad X24 usually responds to 104 |
| 03:58.18 | Bushmills | Gm4n: if the remaining paritition(s) are big enough to hold the data from the partitions which you want to delete, yes |
| 03:58.31 | ttick | streuner_: mouse is a microsoft explorer mouse / and the laptop internal nub. |
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| 03:58.47 | streuner_ | should be normally painless |
| 03:58.53 | wols | Gm4n: is your / big enough to hold all the other partitions? |
| 03:58.55 | Bushmills | Gm4n: but only you know how full those are, and what the current partitioning is. |
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| 03:59.02 | Gm4n | wols: yes |
| 03:59.03 | streuner_ | ttick: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 03:59.05 | Petur | hoho |
| 03:59.19 | ttick | okay |
| 03:59.19 | Bushmills | so i assume that it won't fit, otherwise it'd not be a problem |
| 03:59.52 | Petur | Not sure! |
| 04:00.08 | Gm4n | oh, wait a sec, no it won't |
| 04:00.12 | Gm4n | hrm, so much for that :P |
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| 04:00.26 | peterS | !no gpm is <reply> gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a text console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks. |
| 04:00.26 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
| 04:01.06 | ttick | streuner_: hmm. stuff seems more specialized than I need. wireless / acpi / suspend, etc. I just need frigg'n X to work. Not to mention I can't see those wiki pages . . . except for lynx. ugh. |
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| 04:01.52 | peterS | !gpm =~ s/text console/Linux (text-only) console/ |
| 04:01.52 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 04:02.26 | Gm4n | Bushmills: on a side note, I'm looking at hetzner... 5GB/month traffic? |
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| 04:02.59 | streuner_ | ttick: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installation_instructions_for_the_ThinkPad_X24 |
| 04:03.00 | Bushmills | Gm4n: 1 TB 100 mbit. above that, unlimited with 10 mbit |
| 04:03.30 | Petur | exit |
| 04:03.31 | Bushmills | Gm4n: i think you look at the 1 $ / month web account |
| 04:03.32 | streuner_ | ttick: it seems for me its the radeon driver, but first just choose VGA as driver |
| 04:03.42 | Gm4n | I was looking at .co.za instead of .de, which got confusing |
| 04:04.03 | Bushmills | oh. yes. .za is expensive |
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| 04:05.01 | Gm4n | so Bushmills, you recommend copying off a partition's contents to a remote server, parted-ing it into /, then copying back? |
| 04:05.30 | ttick | streuner_: okay, this turned out to be much easier than we thought: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse /kbd |
| 04:05.39 | ttick | streuner_: and that worked |
| 04:05.39 | Bushmills | Gm4n: http://hetzner.de/rootserver_en.html |
| 04:05.46 | Gm4n | already on that page :) |
| 04:05.55 | ttick | streuner_: no idea why those weren't included by default. |
| 04:06.06 | streuner_ | ttick: hm, is that etch? |
| 04:06.13 | ttick | streuner_: yes |
| 04:06.30 | ttick | streuner_: err, testing, whatever testing is called now |
| 04:06.42 | streuner_ | ah, lenny |
| 04:06.48 | Bushmills | Gm4n: not sure whether i'd recommend that, but that is what i'd do. (having backup anyway, i still would copy to another server) |
| 04:06.50 | ttick | streuner_: yes, I know better, I should have declared my distro. Sorry. |
| 04:07.10 | streuner_ | ttick: /msg dpkg sid faq ;-) and read that too... |
| 04:07.31 | ttick | streuner_: anyway, thanks for the help. Uhm, yeah, I think I'll stay away from sid, thanks. ;) |
| 04:07.47 | Gm4n | Bushmills: I just keep running out of space in /tmp when I'm doing big mysql queries (yes, I know I can change the temp dir), and /var got overfull with logs |
| 04:07.52 | Bushmills | Gm4n: but the final approach would depend on partitioning and sizes |
| 04:07.55 | streuner_ | ttick: even if you have lenny, just read that FAQ, it doesn't hurd |
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| 04:08.13 | ttick | okay, will do |
| 04:08.32 | Gm4n | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/d2adcebed |
| 04:10.45 | Bushmills | Gm4n: usr and var to home, merge them, make new root from those? |
| 04:11.15 | Gm4n | usr and var to home, and put symlinks into home on /? |
| 04:11.29 | Bushmills | or mount --bind |
| 04:11.43 | Gm4n | (btw, I can delete a good 50-60gb from /home if needed) |
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| 04:12.40 | Bushmills | you could maybe even merge your swap with what is currently root |
| 04:13.18 | Gm4n | that doesn't sound good |
| 04:13.19 | Bushmills | depends on where it is now. may be an easy way to reuse that 1 gb partition |
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| 04:15.58 | Bushmills | well, doesn't look difficult. i expected it to be worse, after what i read in your description before |
| 04:16.19 | Gm4n | oh, good, because you guys scared me pretty good :) |
| 04:17.42 | Bushmills | what is your /tmp? |
| 04:17.49 | Bushmills | that's ram? |
| 04:18.01 | Gm4n | well, since it says filsystem none, I'd guess so |
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| 04:18.32 | Bushmills | with 1 gbyte, and server, maybe not ideal to keep all tmp in ram |
| 04:18.45 | Gm4n | I'm in complete agreement :) |
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| 04:19.03 | Gm4n | I'm just busy RTFMing, trying to figure out how to do this |
| 04:19.20 | Gm4n | do I need to reboot into rescue mode for this, or is it functional as-is? |
| 04:19.35 | Bushmills | yes, you definitely want to do that |
| 04:20.01 | Gm4n | alrighty. then my next question is what, exactly, is rescue mode? |
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| 04:20.18 | Bushmills | booting from - usually - network |
| 04:20.44 | Gm4n | if it boots into rescue mode, how do I talk to it? :) |
| 04:20.44 | Bushmills | running a kernel and root on your server which does not use or need your hard disk |
| 04:20.54 | Bushmills | you ssh to it |
| 04:21.12 | Gm4n | oh, that's nice. standard password? |
| 04:21.21 | Gm4n | (ie, it's not a security risk?) |
| 04:21.28 | Bushmills | depends. often you get an otp |
| 04:21.36 | Gm4n | otp? |
| 04:21.40 | Bushmills | one time password |
| 04:21.47 | Gm4n | oh, that's not too bad :) |
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| 04:22.55 | Bushmills | you are connected with https to your server admin web page where you can request rescue system reboot. that's when you usually get the password. |
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| 04:23.18 | Bushmills | and it says "server is rebooting now" or such, and a bit later you ssh to it, as root |
| 04:23.28 | Gm4n | fair enough |
| 04:23.50 | Gm4n | I suppose this is the point where I connect directly to IRC, so I don't lose help when the server goes down :) |
| 04:28.19 | Gm4n | so I'd just run parted, print, rm <# for tmp>, then resize <# for />? |
| 04:28.31 | Gm4n | roughly speaking, that is |
| 04:28.37 | Bushmills | i don't trust resizing |
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| 04:29.03 | Bushmills | probably due to not used it a lot |
| 04:29.04 | Gm4n | how do I do this without resizing? |
| 04:29.17 | Bushmills | copy your 5gigs to home, delete them. |
| 04:29.34 | Gm4n | then what do I do with the old partition? |
| 04:29.45 | Bushmills | create new (they are in consecutove disk space i think) |
| 04:29.51 | Bushmills | consecutive |
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| 04:30.14 | Gm4n | ah, keep shuffling until I have a new partition containing all data? |
| 04:30.19 | Bushmills | gives you a 10 gig. make that your new root |
| 04:30.59 | Bushmills | now the old 1g root becomes free ... |
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| 04:31.29 | Bushmills | i'd check whether current swap and root are consecutive, and if so, merge them to larger swap |
| 04:31.32 | Gm4n | (seems to me like no matter what I do, I'll end up having to do one resize) |
| 04:31.48 | Gm4n | my swap is ram, if you remember |
| 04:31.58 | Bushmills | no, that's tmp |
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| 04:32.13 | Gm4n | oh, so it is :) |
| 04:32.22 | Gm4n | ugh, that's a terrible idea :-/ |
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| 04:32.45 | Gm4n | yes, / is number 1, swap is number 2 |
| 04:33.11 | Gm4n | (I mean, tmp being in ram is terrible, not this way of merging partitions) |
| 04:33.13 | Bushmills | partition number are not the whole story. start- and end cylinder is what you'd look at |
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| 04:34.24 | Bushmills | do you have lilo or grub as boot manager? |
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| 04:35.33 | Gm4n | lilo |
| 04:35.46 | Gm4n | (sarge came with lilo, and I wasn't ballsy enough to switch the boot loader by hand) |
| 04:35.55 | Bushmills | booting initrd or straight kernel? |
| 04:36.07 | Gm4n | how do I check? :/ |
| 04:36.17 | Bushmills | cat /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:36.48 | Gm4n | looks like initrd |
| 04:37.22 | Gm4n | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/d5ac63942 |
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| 04:37.33 | Bushmills | maybe make it two steps. usr, var first, keep boot partiiton for now. do that as seperate step another time. |
| 04:37.58 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.13 | Bushmills | ( /etc/lilo.conf too when moving boot partition ) |
| 04:39.18 | Gm4n | so I should just cp -r /usr and /var into /home while system is booted? |
| 04:39.32 | Bushmills | no. you want cp -a |
| 04:39.35 | Malf | so when I boot up /etc/init.d/xdm runs |
| 04:39.35 | ApOgEE- | hi, does anybody know where to get usleep source code for ubuntu? |
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| 04:39.42 | Malf | and gets up to the point where it says starting xdm |
| 04:39.46 | Malf | then it silently fails |
| 04:40.00 | Malf | if I take out the set -e line from that file |
| 04:40.03 | Malf | it will start fine |
| 04:40.20 | Bushmills | what is ubuntu? |
| 04:41.02 | factotum | something that needs source code for usleep evidently |
| 04:41.06 | Malf | which means something is returning a non-zero exit status |
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| 04:41.12 | Malf | and dying |
| 04:41.26 | Malf | well |
| 04:41.30 | Malf | the script is exiting immediately |
| 04:41.39 | Malf | preventing xdm from actually starting up it seems |
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| 04:43.11 | Malf | does removing the set -e check seem like an okay thing to do? |
| 04:43.23 | Malf | it feels wrong to me since it feels like I'm saying there's an error but who cares |
| 04:43.37 | Malf | but on the other hand I am very lazy.. |
| 04:43.39 | lostbutler | hello folks anybody aware of a blue screen of death problem when using lenny installer while trying to setup encryped partitions ? |
| 04:44.35 | wols | lostbutler: if anything it's a kernel panic |
| 04:44.40 | wols | there are no BOSDs in linux |
| 04:45.18 | wols | and tell it the installer team if anyone |
| 04:45.19 | wols | !tell lostbutler about d-i |
| 04:45.55 | lostbutler | wols: the kernel didn't panic, i was able to switch consoles to look at process, i said bosd just because it was blue background :D, the installer just hung. |
| 04:46.35 | wols | Malf: on the other hand you talk a lot of gibberish |
| 04:46.42 | Malf | wols: true |
| 04:46.58 | wols | Malf: usuallx Xorg.0.org has eorrors and logs |
| 04:47.08 | Malf | wols: whining about xdm not working all of the sudden and not magically fixing itself is way more fun than actually debugging the issue |
| 04:47.46 | Bushmills | Malf: you could try to add -x to top line of xdm script, so it prints debugging info, and tells you where it exits |
| 04:48.06 | wols | Bushmills: is it sunday already? it feels that way |
| 04:48.28 | Bushmills | wols how did .de play against .pl? |
| 04:48.34 | Malf | Bushmills: true I'll give that a go |
| 04:48.39 | wols | who gives a fuck? certainly not me |
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| 04:49.12 | Bushmills | wols: helps knowing what part of june we're in |
| 04:49.20 | lostbutler | wols: thanks |
| 04:49.38 | wols | yes, but since I doN#t watch tv it won't be too bad for me |
| 04:50.08 | wols | all I hear about is the /unlawful) detention and other abuses which happen from the upcoming event |
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| 04:52.10 | Bushmills | wols: i'm not likely to watch any match. but i'll have a look at the results |
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| 04:52.35 | wols | to be able to smalltalk with the other boys? |
| 04:52.36 | Bushmills | social obligation. |
| 04:52.37 | gonzo | Buenas que tal... |
| 04:52.57 | wols | you're a geek. read the lkml or something |
| 04:53.00 | gonzo | speak spanihs? |
| 04:53.04 | wols | !es |
| 04:53.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:54.49 | Bushmills | besides, the country i'm in hasn't qualified. so it's not a huge event here. |
| 04:55.35 | wols | where are you? |
| 04:55.40 | Bushmills | ireland |
| 04:56.13 | wols | youÄre up early ;) |
| 04:56.22 | Bushmills | no. late. |
| 04:58.04 | Bushmills | you know cliffs of moher? |
| 04:58.39 | Bushmills | about 35 km away |
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| 04:58.48 | wols | nope |
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| 04:59.24 | Bushmills | http://photo.forthfreak.net/places/ireland/cliffsofmohair/IMG_7484.JPG |
| 05:00.00 | Bushmills | follow the edge first |
| 05:00.08 | Bushmills | people walking up there |
| 05:00.25 | Bushmills | see where the path goes? |
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| 05:04.52 | Bushmills | highest cliffs are a bit further up north. about 3 times the height of those. |
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| 05:09.05 | alesan | hi what is the recommended procedure to maintain a debian instalation, issue apt-get update from time to time? |
| 05:09.33 | Bushmills | alesan: hire one of us is, i'd say |
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| 05:09.45 | Bushmills | :D |
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| 05:10.56 | Bushmills | refiniing your configs probably is. and adding security updates. |
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| 05:11.39 | Bushmills | apt-get update does nothing for system maintenance |
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| 05:14.57 | beardy | alesan^: If you mean update packages, yes. But use aptitude. |
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| 05:18.45 | alesan^ | beardy: why aptitude? I've always read about apt-get. |
| 05:18.56 | beardy | !why aptitude |
| 05:18.56 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 05:19.23 | alesan^ | do I need to use aptitude from the beginning |
| 05:19.32 | beardy | No, but start now. |
| 05:19.52 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 05:19.52 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 05:19.57 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way to get apt to dump all the packages of a certain section? |
| 05:20.09 | beardy | Most likely. |
| 05:20.13 | PhrkOnLsh | kpackage does this; but it cuts the list in the ks for some reason |
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| 05:21.56 | alesan^ | how do I update my system wih aptitude then |
| 05:22.03 | alesan^ | well, let;s say keep updated |
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| 05:27.20 | cafuego | alesan^: aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 05:27.29 | cafuego | alesan^: no different from apt-get. |
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| 05:32.03 | beardy | PhrkOnLsh: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide (installable I'm sure, aptitude-docs or aptitude-reference) 'aptitude search ~section main/net foo' |
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| 05:33.20 | beardy | PhrkOnLsh: 'aptitude search ~section main/net *' you want, that is. |
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| 05:33.58 | beardy | If you only want packagenames: |
| 05:34.03 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 05:34.03 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 05:34.12 | beardy | Use one of those pipes. |
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| 05:35.30 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks beardy |
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| 05:36.05 | beardy | PhrkOnLsh: Or rather.. "aptitude search ~section main/net * | awk '{print $2}'" You're welcome. |
| 05:37.40 | epsilon | I want to replace some files on a live-CD - how do I unpack and repack an iso image? |
| 05:38.20 | PhrkOnLsh | epsilon: I'm not sure about unpacking, but pack is done with makeisofs; be sure to include the boot info. |
| 05:38.22 | cafuego | epsilon: the root fs on the livecd is prolly compressed |
| 05:38.26 | beardy | epsilon: If it's uncompressed, just mount it writeable and do what you want. |
| 05:38.36 | beardy | epsilon: On a loopback device. |
| 05:39.01 | cafuego | epsilon: You loopmount the cd, find the rootfs file, uncompress it to disk, loopmount it, edit it, recompress, remake iso, burn. |
| 05:39.13 | epsilon | arg |
| 05:39.16 | cafuego | All in all, lotsa fun. |
| 05:39.57 | cafuego | There's something to be said for 2GB bootable *writeable* USB keys :-) |
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| 05:41.20 | PhrkOnLsh | epsilon: check out http://www.livedistro.org/ |
| 05:41.30 | epsilon | yea, there's a filesystem.squashfs file |
| 05:41.41 | epsilon | guess unsquash it as root |
| 05:41.44 | PhrkOnLsh | cafuego: bootable usb keys are win; but my system wont' boot em :( damned BIOS |
| 05:42.21 | cafuego | eep |
| 05:42.47 | cafuego | epsilon: Yup... then loopmount it, chroot to it and admin as per usual. |
| 05:42.58 | PhrkOnLsh | mm, chroot |
| 05:45.17 | epsilon | hmpf |
| 05:45.33 | epsilon | the filesystem is 3.1 and etch complains cause it can only 3.0 |
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| 05:51.35 | calpin | hello guyz |
| 05:51.40 | calpin | sombody can help me ? |
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| 05:52.46 | fignew | calpin: how can we know if you haven't asked a question? |
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| 05:53.26 | calpin | i have install postfix,dovecot,squirellmail,etc.... |
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| 05:53.40 | calpin | i want connect squirellmail using postfixadmin |
| 05:54.01 | calpin | i have set match db for squirellmail & postfixadmin |
| 05:54.47 | calpin | but when i added mailbox in postfixadmin i can't access over squirellmail....reason Unknown user or password incorrect. |
| 05:55.05 | wfq | hi guys |
| 05:55.05 | wfq | I am trying to install mozilla-firefox in my testing box but I am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m4e32a926. I have updated and upgraded and dist-upgraded just 5 seconds ago and even run apt-get -f install |
| 05:55.08 | wfq | but I can't get any result |
| 05:55.12 | wfq | Could you please throw me a hint? |
| 05:56.04 | markybob | wfq, you're mixing lenny and etch without dist-upgrading first |
| 05:57.02 | calpin | any solution for me ? |
| 05:57.03 | wfq | marybob, I used testing in all of my source lists and did upgraded and dist-upgraded |
| 05:57.35 | wfq | *markybob |
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| 05:59.04 | wfq | I've even purged earlier mozilla-firefox installation via dpkg --purge but with no results |
| 05:59.43 | markybob | wfq, if you're using lenny, try just aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 06:00.55 | wfq | markybob, that worked, thanks |
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| 06:02.21 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to check whether a string contains a given valid in Shell Scripts? Something like if [$str -contains "ati] //codeGoesHere fi |
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| 06:03.35 | wfq | markybob: I think I definitely broke it :) iceweasel |
| 06:03.35 | wfq | Segmentation fault |
| 06:03.39 | Bushmills | Jemt: if [[ substring == sub* ]] ; then ... |
| 06:03.57 | Tr0gdor | whats the name of the time syncing program? |
| 06:04.06 | Bushmills | Jemt: requires bash |
| 06:04.38 | Jemt | Bushmills: Will I need to use *sub* if the string I'm looking for is in the center of my string? "This text contains my text" < if [[ $str == *contains* ]] |
| 06:04.55 | wfq | and what is worse, I can't see any error in the syslog file neither dmesg |
| 06:05.05 | Bushmills | Jemt: i don't know your intention, but the "trick" is the wildcard * |
| 06:05.18 | Jemt | Bushmills: Okay, thanks. I will try that :) |
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| 06:05.42 | Bushmills | Jemt: ? is valid too |
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| 06:06.01 | Jemt | Bushmills: Instead of the wild card? |
| 06:06.02 | Bushmills | single char match |
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| 06:06.06 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 06:06.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 06:06.45 | Jemt | Bushmills: Thanks |
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| 06:07.40 | drewbert | Hello, could anybody help me with a mod_rewrite question. I've put more details in http://apache.pastebin.ca/1040143 |
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| 06:08.01 | Bushmills | drewbert: probably #apache is a better place to ask |
| 06:08.11 | Tr0gdor | does ntpdate work in debian |
| 06:08.16 | Tr0gdor | apt-get install ntpdate doesnt owrk |
| 06:08.31 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 06:08.31 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 06:08.31 | Bushmills | !ntp |
| 06:08.32 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 06:08.42 | drewbert | Bushmills: they're all asleep |
| 06:08.44 | Bushmills | wrong |
| 06:08.52 | Bushmills | !no ntp |
| 06:08.58 | Bushmills | hm |
| 06:09.02 | beardy | Don't. |
| 06:09.04 | Tr0gdor | E: Package ntp has no installation candidate |
| 06:09.07 | Tr0gdor | heh |
| 06:09.15 | beardy | Bushmills: What is wrong? |
| 06:09.25 | wfq | does anynone know how I could monitor my box in order to know why it's so slow when using http connections? I mean, what should I start with? |
| 06:09.37 | Bushmills | forgot the name of factoid telling why there's no ntp in lenny atm |
| 06:09.43 | wfq | I don't have any firewalls |
| 06:09.49 | beardy | Oh. |
| 06:10.01 | beardy | !why is ntp not in lenny |
| 06:10.01 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, beardy |
| 06:10.14 | beardy | Well.. there is something simillar. |
| 06:10.23 | extor | Is there any way to fix my shell prompt windows in gnome to be transparent except for the text which can be green or black, as I choose? |
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| 06:10.51 | beardy | !why is ntp not in testing |
| 06:10.51 | dpkg | ntp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ntp |
| 06:10.57 | extor | And if it only works in KDE then I could switch, but I just want transparent shell prompt windows somehow |
| 06:10.58 | nirupama | what is the locale for bodo language |
| 06:11.03 | nirupama | and how to install it |
| 06:11.11 | nirupama | whats the package |
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| 06:11.21 | beardy | nirupama: Full and only name, bodo? |
| 06:11.36 | nirupama | beardy, yes |
| 06:11.39 | beardy | nirupama: Country? |
| 06:11.48 | nirupama | beardy, its in India a state |
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| 06:12.03 | beardy | !locale |
| 06:12.03 | dpkg | i guess locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 06:12.09 | beardy | !locales |
| 06:12.09 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 06:12.14 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: in principle it works. but not right now |
| 06:12.30 | beardy | nirupama: The package is locales. Run the above command, look for your country code. |
| 06:12.31 | Tr0gdor | Bushmills well how do I use the date command |
| 06:12.34 | Tr0gdor | I cant figure it out |
| 06:12.44 | Tr0gdor | date -s 06052312 doesnt work |
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| 06:12.50 | beardy | !set the time |
| 06:12.50 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 06:13.38 | beardy | Tr0gdor: Run 'date', then run 'date -s "outputfromdate' |
| 06:13.39 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: check out chrony |
| 06:13.42 | nirupama | beardy, there is the problem |
| 06:13.47 | Bushmills | instad of ntp/ntpdate for now |
| 06:13.57 | nirupama | beardy, as i dont know what is the name given like en_US |
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| 06:14.08 | Tr0gdor | beardy: date -s Thu Jun 5 16:13:47 PDT 2008 |
| 06:14.10 | Tr0gdor | :( |
| 06:14.17 | nirupama | beardy, similarly for bodo what is it called to search in locales files |
| 06:14.18 | beardy | Tr0gdor: Quite it. |
| 06:14.21 | beardy | quote |
| 06:14.22 | Tr0gdor | debian seems to think the clock on my mobo is UTC |
| 06:14.27 | Tr0gdor | when it is actually my timezone |
| 06:14.35 | beardy | !tzconfig |
| 06:14.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 06:14.37 | Muffin | Hello! I have a random question...I don't want apache to actually log the IPs of people who visit my websites. It'd be great if I could get some sort of hash (say, MD5?) of their IP instead. Any suggestion? |
| 06:14.56 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: there is chronyc in it which should about do what ntpdate does |
| 06:15.08 | beardy | Tr0gdor: Any other OS on the box? |
| 06:15.13 | Tr0gdor | no |
| 06:15.33 | beardy | Tr0gdor: Then set it, and have it in UTC and set your timezone as described above. |
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| 06:15.40 | nirupama | beardy, any idea |
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| 06:15.57 | Tr0gdor | i shouldnt have to |
| 06:16.02 | Tr0gdor | why doesnt debian recognize the time right |
| 06:16.05 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: but .. it is *good* if clock is in utc, and system thinks it is. isn't it? |
| 06:16.15 | Tr0gdor | true |
| 06:16.18 | beardy | Tr0gdor: Because YOU didn't tell it what it asked correctly when you isntalled. |
| 06:16.19 | Tr0gdor | but what time is it in UTC |
| 06:16.30 | Tr0gdor | beardy it never asked if my system time was UTC |
| 06:16.41 | Tr0gdor | I assumed my system time should be set to local time |
| 06:16.46 | Tr0gdor | not some time zone in europe |
| 06:17.10 | beardy | Tr0gdor: It is. It asks what you keep your RTC in. |
| 06:17.12 | Bushmills | no. system clock should be utc. only time i/o corrects for local time zone |
| 06:17.27 | Bushmills | i.e. when printed |
| 06:17.45 | Muffin | realizes that there is an #apache he can ask in, and does so. |
| 06:18.03 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: at least when there is no windows on your box |
| 06:18.26 | Bushmills | with windows dual-boot, this gets messy. |
| 06:19.19 | Tr0gdor | ok so I should set bios time to UTC |
| 06:19.23 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: what does date -u show now? |
| 06:19.24 | Tr0gdor | then debian will report correct time? |
| 06:19.42 | beardy | Tr0gdor: If your timezone is set correct, yes. |
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| 06:24.36 | Pete_B | how do I set 'special execute' permission, X, in octal? |
| 06:25.10 | Bushmills | Pete_B: chmod 777 file where 777 are 3 octal digits |
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| 06:25.38 | Bushmills | highest of the three bits (mask 4) is exec bit |
| 06:25.44 | Pete_B | Bushmills: I don't understand that, is '7' not 'x' rather than 'X'? |
| 06:26.01 | Tr0gdor | sweet thanks time is working |
| 06:26.04 | Tr0gdor | now what does this mean? invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence invoke-rc.d: enabling safe mode |
| 06:26.10 | Bushmills | 4 + 2 + 1 -> 7 those are for r w x |
| 06:26.49 | Bushmills | i lied before. mask 1 is x, not 4 |
| 06:26.56 | Pete_B | Bushmills: there you go, you're telling me how to set 'x' not 'X' aren't you? |
| 06:27.15 | Bushmills | ehm. yes. |
| 06:27.27 | Tr0gdor | Bushmills what is this "invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence invoke-rc.d: enabling safe mode" |
| 06:27.52 | Pete_B | Bushmills: my question is about 'special execute', X, not 'execute, x |
| 06:27.56 | Bushmills | Pete_B: i'm afraid i misunderstood, sorry |
| 06:28.00 | Pete_B | ok |
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| 06:29.09 | Pete_B | does anyone know how to set X in octal? the wikipedia page on chmod only gives the X and I can;t find other mention of it on the web |
| 06:30.07 | Bushmills | Pete_B: what context? file system compression? or unix suid, guid? |
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| 06:31.50 | Pete_B | Bushmills: it's on a shared directory. I want directories created there to be navigable, files not executable, whenever anyone creates a file there. It's to mirror samba's force create mode=0660 and force directory mode = 2770 |
| 06:32.32 | Bushmills | sounds like you need the sticky bit |
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| 06:32.51 | Bushmills | does your source mention sticky bit somewhere? |
| 06:33.28 | Pete_B | Bushmills: sticky bit is to set so that only the owner can delete tho, no? |
| 06:33.36 | Bushmills | yes |
| 06:34.13 | Pete_B | that's not what i want, I want to not give everyone execute permission on files but do on directories |
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| 06:34.30 | Jemt | Bushmills: It didn't work. I'm trying to find out whether my variable contains "ati" or "nvidia". This example goes to the 'else' part so it evaluates as false: |
| 06:34.31 | Jemt | if [[ info == ati* ]] ; then |
| 06:34.31 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.09 | Bushmills | Jemt: sure, info doesn't match ati* |
| 06:35.17 | Bushmills | atifoo matches ati* |
| 06:35.22 | Pete_B | I'm on about special execute in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod#String_modes |
| 06:35.31 | Jemt | Bushmills: info is a variable. I also tried $info |
| 06:35.33 | Tr0gdor | is there anyway to rename a user? |
| 06:36.24 | Bushmills | jemt, with leading $ on the variable it should function |
| 06:36.52 | Jemt | Bushmills: Like that? : if [[ "$info" == ati* ]] ; then |
| 06:37.05 | Jemt | Both with and without the quotes, it dosn't work |
| 06:37.10 | Jemt | I get the else part |
| 06:37.20 | Bushmills | jemt, you asked for partial match before. for what you want now you don;t need partial match |
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| 06:37.44 | Bushmills | if [[ $info == ati ]] ; then ... |
| 06:37.55 | Bushmills | provided info=ati |
| 06:37.59 | Jemt | I want to know if my variable contains a given string. $info contains "junk junk ati junk" |
| 06:38.16 | Jemt | I want to know if "ati" is present in $info |
| 06:38.16 | Bushmills | "contains" i understand as substring |
| 06:38.25 | Bushmills | like, a string "containing" another one |
| 06:38.25 | Jemt | That's right |
| 06:38.43 | Jemt | It should be like indexOf in JavaScript/Java/.NET |
| 06:38.51 | Bushmills | what does $info expand to? |
| 06:39.06 | Jemt | expand to ? |
| 06:39.11 | Bushmills | echo $info |
| 06:39.15 | Jemt | vendor: pci 0x1002 "ati technologies inc" |
| 06:39.34 | Jemt | But it could change to hold the name of another vendor - ie Nvidia |
| 06:39.56 | Jemt | That's why I need to know if it contains ati, nvidia or maybe someone else (sis, intel, etc) |
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| 06:40.18 | Bushmills | ok. if [[ $info == *ati* ]] but is a bit dangerous, be sure that ati is not part of another word in that string when device is actually nvidia |
| 06:40.39 | Bushmills | better test for vendor id. |
| 06:40.44 | Jemt | Bushmills: Yes, I will have that in mind |
| 06:40.49 | Jemt | Good idea |
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| 06:42.41 | Jemt | Bushmills: Shouldn't I be able to do if [[ $info == * ati * ]] < that way the spaces protects me from getting 'ati' as part of another word - ie configurATIon |
| 06:42.47 | Jemt | (dosn't work though) |
| 06:43.04 | Bushmills | Jemt: quote it. |
| 06:43.38 | Jemt | Bushmills: if [[ $info == "* ati *" ]] ; then <= That results in the else part again |
| 06:44.02 | Bushmills | besides, there is no leading space before at in your string in $info |
| 06:44.47 | Jemt | Ah, of cause. |
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| 06:49.32 | generic | hi all i want a bear meatl recover for my debain machine |
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| 06:50.32 | Bushmills | Jemt: if [[ $info == *ati\ tech* ]] ; then echo yes ; fi |
| 06:50.57 | Jemt | ah, great. Escaping works. Thanks :) |
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| 06:55.10 | Bushmills | Pete_B: mkdir foo ; chmod 7000 foo ; ls -ld foo ... one of those you need? |
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| 06:56.28 | Jemt | Bushmills: Thanks for your help. I'm off for work. Later :) |
| 06:59.18 | badcfe | what do i do after 'fakeroot make-kpkg' in order to install my kernel with grub? |
| 07:00.13 | Pete_B | Bushmills: sorry, you're still barking up the wrong tree. rather than suid, sgid or sticky, i want 'special execute'. I've since found it's also known as 'conditional executability' in the info page on permissions |
| 07:00.28 | wols | badcfe: dpkg -i it |
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| 07:02.26 | badcfe | wols: oh so its completely ready. wow. |
| 07:03.05 | badcfe | wols: hey, debian is too easy ... no black magic left to the command line hacker. this is ofcourse a joke. |
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| 07:04.21 | Bushmills | Pete_B: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212735770334919043.png |
| 07:04.22 | Bushmills | which ones? |
| 07:05.14 | Pete_B | Bushmills: as I said earlier, see 'special execute' in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod#String_modes |
| 07:06.30 | Bushmills | Pete_B: the special execute modes are shown here: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212735770334919043.png. X is a "placeholder" for one of these ... |
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| 07:07.06 | Bushmills | oh well |
| 07:07.38 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 07:08.24 | Bushmills | t'is ok. was moving on thin ice here anyway :) |
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| 07:09.12 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 07:09.52 | Pete_B | Bushmills: if you replied to that reference I missed it cos my computer crashed |
| 07:10.02 | Bushmills | Pete_B: the special execute modes are shown here: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212735770334919043.png. X is a "placeholder" for one of these ... |
| 07:10.37 | Bushmills | i suppose it stands for one of the S S T |
| 07:10.41 | wols | badcfe: make sure you created kernel-headers too |
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| 07:10.55 | Bushmills | contrasting wiith s s t |
| 07:11.32 | Bushmills | the latter are suid guid and sticky which you are not looking at |
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| 07:11.55 | simonrvn | l -d /tmp |
| 07:11.56 | simonrvn | drwxrwxrwt 32 root root 4.0K 2008-06-06 01:41 /tmp/ |
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| 07:12.26 | simonrvn | (my l alias is just ls -lAhF --color=auto) |
| 07:12.32 | Pete_B | Bushmills: have you read the wikipedia reference I gave? |
| 07:12.36 | Bushmills | yes |
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| 07:12.47 | Bushmills | before i gave you (07:55:10) Bushmills: Pete_B: mkdir foo ; chmod 7000 foo ; ls -ld foo ... one of those you need? |
| 07:12.48 | Sazpaimon | if i want to get mencoder to work with w64codecs i'll need to compile it from scratch wont I? |
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| 07:14.49 | Pete_B | Bushmills: or info section '26.2.4 Conditional Executability' |
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| 07:23.18 | Bushmills | Pete_B: could it be that what you're looking for is not a (persistant) permission, but a (transient) command extension for the chmod command. only active when chmod executes ? |
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| 07:23.41 | Bushmills | Pete_B: possible explained better here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=chmod&sektion=1 |
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| 07:24.56 | Bushmills | at least that is what the wikipedia link you gave me seems to relate to |
| 07:25.23 | Bushmills | "=rw,+X set the read and write permissions to the usual defaults, but retain any execute permissions that are currently set." |
| 07:25.39 | [M4rk0] | Hello |
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| 07:27.49 | Bushmills | the line below doesn't make a lot of sense to me: "+X make a directory or file searchable/executable by everyone if it is already searchable/executable by anyone." |
| 07:27.54 | Pete_B | Bushmills: my reading of that page is consistant with everything I've said before on it, that when set on a directory it doesn't apply 'x' to files if they don't already have 'x' but does on directories |
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| 07:28.36 | [M4rk0] | I have proftpd on debian and because I have few HDD so I created dir "ftp" and I did "mount --bind /hdd1/ftp /ftp" & "mount --bind /hdd2/ftp" & "mount --bind /hdd2/UPLOAD"... Everything works fine except UPLOAD directory. 550 Error. But I added correctly in proftpd.conf directive for UPLOAD... |
| 07:28.56 | Tr0gdor | how do I prevent nano from word wrapping? |
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| 07:30.55 | calpin | 2008-06-06 15:30:30 Info: imap-login: Aborted login: user=<email@78gold.com>, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured |
| 07:31.05 | calpin | this is from my dovecot log |
| 07:31.14 | calpin | anybody can resolve this issue ? |
| 07:31.38 | Bushmills | Pete_B: my reading of it suggests one inconsistency. that is, there is no permission +X which remains set (and thereby expressable as octal digit). instead, +X is a parameter to the chmod command. |
| 07:31.44 | calpin | i try access squirellmail |
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| 07:32.48 | Bushmills | i.e without an octal representation in the permission bits. just a command to chmod. +X |
| 07:33.07 | Pete_B | Bushmills: the chmod command will allow you to use +X without giving an error, tho ls -l still shows 'x' not 'X' |
| 07:34.00 | Bushmills | yes. you can show S instead of s, or T instead of t. but we seem to agree on that that's not what you're looking for. |
| 07:34.20 | Bushmills | because now we look at the chmod option +X |
| 07:34.23 | Bushmills | right? |
| 07:34.26 | Pete_B | yeah |
| 07:35.16 | Bushmills | which has no octal representation in the permission bits... |
| 07:35.43 | Bushmills | but is merely a modifier for chmod operation |
| 07:36.44 | [M4rk0] | Plaase check http://paste.uni.cc/18829 |
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| 07:37.01 | Sazpaimon | i feel dirty editng the debian/rules file for this source package |
| 07:37.05 | Sazpaimon | but it had to be done |
| 07:37.08 | Bushmills | [M4rk0]: not without you telling us what that is |
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| 07:37.40 | Pete_B | I read it as an actual operand(?). but agree it doesn't seem to work as such. |
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| 07:37.50 | [M4rk0] | Bushmills, about proftpd and I commented problem in pastebin |
| 07:37.53 | [M4rk0] | ;) |
| 07:38.14 | Tr0gdor | is there anyway to make crontab auto execute something on server reboot? |
| 07:38.20 | Tr0gdor | or will it just do it at the time i specify |
| 07:38.40 | Bushmills | troubled: @boot as time |
| 07:38.42 | enouf | @reboot |
| 07:38.44 | ravenbird | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask dpkg about <qotd2> (/msg dpkg qotd2). |
| 07:38.47 | Bushmills | sry, Tr0gdor |
| 07:39.08 | Tr0gdor | Im just wondering for server crash or something crazy |
| 07:39.13 | Tr0gdor | not expecting anything to happen |
| 07:39.14 | enouf | heh ravenbird has been hiding :-P |
| 07:39.35 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: @reboot... enouf is right |
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| 07:39.53 | Tr0gdor | Bushmills: * @boot * * * command? |
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| 07:40.14 | Bushmills | Tr0gdor: man 5 crontab |
| 07:40.47 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.47 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.56 | Tr0gdor | whats up with the ââ in my man page? |
| 07:41.00 | enouf | wow |
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| 07:41.05 | Gumby | hi all, Im wondering how to list samba users on my sarge server. can anyone lend a hand? |
| 07:42.27 | Tr0gdor | enouf can you tell me whats up with those characters? |
| 07:42.47 | Tr0gdor | looks like they equal ' |
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| 07:42.50 | [M4rk0] | Bushmills, and? ;) |
| 07:43.10 | Bushmills | and what? |
| 07:43.34 | enouf | Tr0gdor: no idea offhand .. does it happen in all man pages? i recall the aptitude manpage having an issue |
| 07:43.54 | [M4rk0] | Bushmills, about my pastebin? ;) |
| 07:43.56 | Tr0gdor | let me check enouf |
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| 07:44.26 | Tr0gdor | enouf: this is from man rm |
| 07:44.27 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.27 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.33 | Tr0gdor | doing the same thing |
| 07:44.35 | Tr0gdor | weird |
| 07:44.44 | Bushmills | [M4rk0]: don't ask me about ftp - i avoid it where i can. |
| 07:44.48 | enouf | yeah, it's the quotes |
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| 07:45.05 | Bushmills | which is about everywhere |
| 07:45.17 | enouf | Following a range with ``/<number>'' |
| 07:45.26 | Tr0gdor | those --no-preserve-root |
| 07:45.26 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.28 | Tr0gdor | oops |
| 07:45.31 | Tr0gdor | those --no-preserve-root |
| 07:45.31 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.33 | Tr0gdor | omg |
| 07:45.36 | Tr0gdor | those --no-preserve-root |
| 07:45.36 | Tr0gdor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.38 | Tr0gdor | wtf |
| 07:45.39 | Tr0gdor | sorry |
| 07:45.59 | Tr0gdor | those â are only appearing through putty |
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| 07:46.06 | Tr0gdor | on actual screen they show up as squares |
| 07:46.10 | Tr0gdor | white squares |
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| 07:47.03 | Bushmills | [M4rk0]: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212738406252556841.png |
| 07:47.13 | Bushmills | :) |
| 07:47.15 | dbmoodb | i just did something so stupid... ah what is meant to be the thing in /usr/bin/locale |
| 07:47.19 | dbmoodb | i just put another app over it ... |
| 07:47.27 | Tr0gdor | enouf seems like the ' isnt installed on the server or something |
| 07:47.33 | Tr0gdor | but when I type ' it shows up fine |
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| 07:47.57 | enouf | `` != '' , nor " |
| 07:48.09 | dbmoodb | anyone ?... |
| 07:48.20 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: nothing important... just your locale files! |
| 07:48.27 | Tr0gdor | enouf i thought we agreed the symbol that was showing up wrong was ' not ` |
| 07:48.29 | dbmoodb | no shoot |
| 07:48.36 | dbmoodb | ah wait ? it wasn't a dir |
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| 07:49.06 | dbmoodb | mv X /usr/bin/locale |
| 07:49.11 | enouf | Tr0gdor: i did say quotes, but i meant backticks, single quotes and double quotes |
| 07:49.36 | Tr0gdor | well it shows ââ for " and â for ' |
| 07:49.46 | Tr0gdor | which is weird because " is completely different from ' |
| 07:49.55 | enouf | well, that's one ` and one ' |
| 07:50.11 | dbmoodb | anyone know how i fix this ? |
| 07:50.25 | Tr0gdor | enouf so this line is do not treat `/` specially |
| 07:50.31 | Tr0gdor | or do not treat '/' specially |
| 07:50.38 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: reinstall locales |
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| 07:50.47 | dbmoodb | how ? |
| 07:51.18 | cafuego | are you there? |
| 07:51.23 | dbmoodb | this will be interesting for the next 30 mins i guess... |
| 07:51.28 | enouf | Tr0gdor: it's one ` and one ' |
| 07:51.36 | Bushmills | PingFloyd: not PingV(l)oid ? |
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| 07:52.01 | Tr0gdor | wow weird |
| 07:52.02 | dbmoodb | PingFloyd: which packages you think just locales ? |
| 07:52.03 | enouf | !tell dbmoodb -abouut grounding |
| 07:52.05 | Tr0gdor | wants it fixed |
| 07:52.07 | enouf | !tell dbmoodb -about grounding |
| 07:52.09 | Tr0gdor | google seems to have no clue |
| 07:52.38 | enouf | !nickometer Tr0gd0r |
| 07:52.39 | dpkg | 'Tr0gd0r' is 99.780% lame, enouf |
| 07:52.49 | dbmoodb | enouf: sorry ... hwo do i tell which packages are dependent on others -- dpkg -? |
| 07:52.55 | Tr0gd0r | !nickometer enouf |
| 07:52.57 | dpkg | 'enouf' is 0.000% lame, tr0gd0r |
| 07:53.03 | enouf | O_0 |
| 07:53.18 | trogdorr | !nickometer trogdorr |
| 07:53.19 | dpkg | 'trogdorr' is 0.000% lame, trogdorr |
| 07:53.23 | bdeferme | !nickometer bdeferme |
| 07:53.23 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: probably your best bet is to extract that file from the package and copy it over |
| 07:53.24 | enouf | ok ok , enough with the bot |
| 07:53.25 | dpkg | 'bdeferme' is 0.000% lame, bdeferme |
| 07:53.32 | Tr0gd0r | enouf fix my man pages :( |
| 07:53.38 | Tr0gd0r | ill give you monies |
| 07:53.44 | enouf | no thanks |
| 07:54.20 | enouf | it's likely a crap putty issue anyways, get off windows you weenie ;-) |
| 07:54.32 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 07:54.40 | PingFloyd | if you use windows by choice, you get what you deserves |
| 07:54.40 | dbmoodb | PingFloyd: and to check which package would have that exec file ... how do i do that (dpkg -?) |
| 07:54.45 | Tr0gd0r | enouf well on the cosole itself is shows white boxes |
| 07:54.51 | Tr0gd0r | when it should show ' or ` |
| 07:54.55 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: apt-file search /usr/bin/locale |
| 07:54.56 | g00se | dbmoodb: my pref is debfoster -e |
| 07:54.58 | Tr0gd0r | so it seems like it is a system issue |
| 07:54.58 | dbmoodb | thank you |
| 07:55.02 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: save you some time though |
| 07:55.03 | Tr0gd0r | console* |
| 07:55.12 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: it's part of libc6 package |
| 07:55.17 | dbmoodb | oh ffs |
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| 07:55.29 | dbmoodb | your kidding me ? |
| 07:55.55 | PingFloyd | at least it's a binary |
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| 07:56.15 | dbmoodb | PingFloyd: aptitude reinstall i guess ? |
| 07:56.16 | enouf | it's possible you're missing some fonts, some needed locale support, wrong iocahrset, wong codepage, some weirdo nroff/groff stuff, who wknows |
| 07:56.32 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: yeah, you could go that route as well |
| 07:56.42 | dbmoodb | PingFloyd: much much easier think |
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| 07:56.47 | Tr0gd0r | enouf: http://files.tr0gd0r.com/manpages.jpg |
| 07:56.52 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: probably |
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| 07:56.54 | dbmoodb | nope.... still not back |
| 07:57.27 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: did you try moving the file first to somewhere else? |
| 07:57.38 | dbmoodb | no i just overrid the file by mistake |
| 07:58.29 | dbmoodb | phef apt is not asking me to remove like everything :) |
| 07:58.38 | dbmoodb | oh wait... it is |
| 07:58.46 | dbmoodb | PingFloyd: what is your route |
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| 07:59.08 | g00se | Anything i can use to run a basic health check on my hd? |
| 07:59.15 | dbmoodb | smartmonutils |
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| 08:00.11 | PingFloyd | dbmoodb: downloading the package and then extracting the file and manually moving it there |
| 08:00.18 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 08:00.25 | PingFloyd | like aptitude download ... |
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| 08:00.31 | g00se | dbmoodb: looking |
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| 08:02.39 | g00se | dbmoodb: Thanks. smartmontools |
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| 08:05.33 | PingFloyd | I feel a boa constricting, bbiab |
| 08:05.36 | dbmoodb | thanks PingFloyd |
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| 08:07.30 | Tr0gd0r | enouf: if you cared I figured it out. Had to set putty to treat incoming text as utf-8 |
| 08:08.01 | enouf | told you it was putty crap |
| 08:08.42 | enouf | but that doesn't mean console |
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| 08:10.38 | Tr0gd0r | enouf I asked in ubuntu channel to find the answer lol |
| 08:12.06 | enouf | many more windows weenies there |
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| 08:12.38 | Tr0gd0r | weenies lol |
| 08:12.47 | Tr0gd0r | only uses it for games |
| 08:12.53 | Tr0gd0r | stupid people need to port to nix |
| 08:13.22 | themill | dpkg: putty linedraw |
| 08:13.22 | dpkg | Make sure you have a UTF-8 encoding specified for your locale, and Window/Translation->"Received data assumed to be" = UTF-8; "Handle line draw" = "Use unicode"; Window/Appearance/Font must be a good unicode font. See http://wp.sieker.info/ascii-line-drawing-in-putty or ask me about <locales> |
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| 08:13.45 | themill | realises he's a bit late on that one... |
| 08:13.56 | [M4rk0] | Bushmills, What about that picture ;) |
| 08:14.12 | Tr0gd0r | themill what is a good unicode font? |
| 08:14.39 | Bushmills | shows installation state of ftp: not installed |
| 08:15.03 | Bushmills | ftp is evil |
| 08:15.10 | Bushmills | !ftp |
| 08:15.10 | dpkg | methinks ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. ask me about <ftp must die> |
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| 08:15.42 | themill | Tr0gd0r: experimentation required. I can't remember what I used any more... it's a long time ago. Change the font and see if things get better. :) You need a font that has the linedraw characters in it; not all fonts have them. |
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| 08:16.15 | Bushmills | dpkg, botsnacl |
| 08:16.15 | dpkg | Bushmills: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 08:16.24 | Bushmills | botsnack ... |
| 08:16.42 | Tr0gd0r | themill problem is putty only shows like 10 fonts, i know i have way more than that. |
| 08:17.02 | themill | Tr0gd0r: under windoze or under linux? |
| 08:17.19 | themill | Tr0gd0r: it is probably only showing you fixed-width fonts, btw |
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| 08:17.21 | Tr0gd0r | Consolas, Courier, Courier New, Lucida Console, Lucida Sans Typewriter, and Terminal |
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| 08:17.29 | Tr0gd0r | those are the ones |
| 08:17.34 | Bushmills | oh. thiose are all console fonts, right |
| 08:17.55 | themill | Tr0gd0r: lucida sounds familiar for what I was using last time I used putty. But we're talking years ago here.... |
| 08:17.58 | Tr0gd0r | but are any of them UTF8 |
| 08:18.38 | vlt | Hello. Which tool (tcpdump or wireshark?) can filter packets based on their timestamp? I have a laaarge dumpfile and want to filter only traffic from one specific hour, for example. |
| 08:18.39 | Eulex | Tr0gd0r, most of them should be. |
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| 08:19.15 | themill | Tr0gd0r: there's no such thing as a utf-8 font, but there is such thing as a unicode font (utf-8 is a way of packing unicode numbers). Most (all) of them should be unicode, particularly the new M$ one (consolas). But whether they have the glyphs for the linedraw characters is the real question. |
| 08:19.29 | Tr0gd0r | hmm |
| 08:19.44 | Tr0gd0r | I was under the impression Arial Unicode was the only fully unicode font |
| 08:19.50 | Tr0gd0r | supporting chinese characters and such |
| 08:19.55 | themill | Tr0gd0r: You can have a look at the fonts in charmap to see if they are only A-Z or if they have the linedraw characters. |
| 08:20.01 | Tr0gd0r | only one I have I mean |
| 08:20.14 | jelly-home | Tr0gd0r: you don't need "fully" to get decent looking terminals |
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| 08:21.31 | microtux | hi |
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| 08:21.37 | Tr0gd0r | from wikipedia: "Although Consolas is designed as a replacement for Courier New, it only has 713 glyphs, as compared to Courier New (2.90)'s 1318 glyphs." |
| 08:21.49 | Tr0gd0r | ill stick with Courier New (it was the default of putty) |
| 08:22.06 | Eulex | Tr0gd0r, I'd really recommend dejavu sans mono |
| 08:22.10 | microtux | i tried to install java on debian, it told that it depends on the package : ia32-sun-java5-bin |
| 08:22.26 | microtux | ia32-sun-java5-bin is only available for amd and ia32 arch, i have i386 |
| 08:22.31 | microtux | what to do ? |
| 08:22.47 | themill | microtux: how did you try installing it? please pastebin the entire command and the output |
| 08:23.07 | Tr0gd0r | Eulex im grabbing it now. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 08:23.08 | microtux | !pastebin |
| 08:23.08 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 08:24.43 | Tr0gd0r | Eulex: meh. Im not digging it. |
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| 08:24.48 | Tr0gd0r | the dots in the zeros bug me |
| 08:25.31 | Eulex | how else would you see a difference between 0 and O? :) |
| 08:25.35 | markybob | you dig it alright. you dig it could |
| 08:26.10 | Tr0gd0r | slash Eulex |
| 08:26.21 | Tr0gd0r | and I can tell fine in courier which has no slash or dot |
| 08:26.33 | Tr0gd0r | 0 is oval O is round |
| 08:27.02 | Tr0gd0r | I want Arial monospaced |
| 08:27.06 | Eulex | *shrug*, slash would make it look like a danish Ø to me |
| 08:27.07 | Tr0gd0r | too bad it costs money :( |
| 08:27.17 | microtux | themill, http://pastebin.ca/1040210 |
| 08:27.29 | vlt | themill: Thanks, btw, for that great explaination of the difference between Unicode and UTF-8. I never knew exactly ;) |
| 08:27.47 | themill | vlt: heh.. . no worries |
| 08:28.20 | Eulex | microtux, heh. what debian version are you running? why don't you apt-get the packages? |
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| 08:29.05 | leo_rockw | Tr0gd0r: inconsolata |
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| 08:29.31 | leo_rockw | Tr0gd0r: check for the version with the slashed zero |
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| 08:30.58 | Tr0gd0r | leo_rockw I only see a version wtihout slashed 0 |
| 08:31.19 | microtux | Eulex, themill n i'm using debian etch, and we have a local deb repo wich doesn't contain java packages, so i'm trying to get the needed packages and ad them to the repo |
| 08:31.25 | microtux | add |
| 08:31.41 | wols | !tell microtux about apt-zip |
| 08:31.43 | themill | microtux: sounds like you need a better way of managing your local repo too |
| 08:32.15 | Eulex | microtux, my guess is that you do not have non-free sources. you could add those besides the local repo in sources.list. |
| 08:32.15 | leo_rockw | Tr0gd0r: i believe that fork is called inconsolatadg |
| 08:32.27 | microtux | themill, wols yes yes, i need a great help on it |
| 08:32.37 | Tr0gd0r | apt-zip |
| 08:32.53 | wols | microtux: I just gave you all the help you need for a non networked PC |
| 08:33.16 | liable | i keep seeing hairynipple when i see that nick.. |
| 08:33.19 | microtux | Eulex, yep, but the local repo doesn't contain non-free packages too, and i don't know from where i could download them |
| 08:33.25 | vlt | Is there a way to split a file into several small ones without actually copying bytes, just altering the file system somehow? |
| 08:33.29 | leo_rockw | Tr0gd0r: http://damieng.com/blog/2006/11/28/inconsolatadg-slashed-zeros |
| 08:33.36 | wols | !tell microtux about non-free |
| 08:33.50 | wols | ALL of jaava is in non-free, cause it's well, non freer |
| 08:33.51 | microtux | wols, ok thx; |
| 08:33.53 | wols | at least suns |
| 08:34.01 | Eulex | microtux, uh, if the pcs are networked, just add non-free sources to sources.list? |
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| 08:38.07 | schemelab | When using dpkg, I get the error "fork failed: Cannot allocate memory" - http://paste.debian.net/5432/ |
| 08:38.50 | vlt | (I remember having asked a similar question, but for merging files, which only works using a rather huge Rube Goldberg chain (including losetup and dmsetup) ...) |
| 08:39.21 | Eulex | schemelab, how much free ram do you have? |
| 08:39.43 | schemelab | Eulex: that is a good point.. "top" never tells you accurately |
| 08:39.50 | Eulex | try free -m |
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| 08:40.11 | jelly-home | vlt: even if there was, it wouldn't be very portable |
| 08:40.15 | schemelab | Eulex: however, I know that a Python process is eating up 72% of the memory. |
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| 08:40.26 | vlt | jelly-home: Yes, that's right :( |
| 08:40.38 | schemelab | only 4 free, 342 used |
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| 08:40.55 | R00t3r | hey guys i wanted to ask a question maybe you could offer some advice...if thats alright? |
| 08:41.02 | [hC] | anyone know if newer debian kernels are compiled by default with CONFIG_HPET_EMULATE_RTC on? |
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| 08:41.58 | Eulex | schemelab, -/+ buffers/cache and Swap: is what matters, ignore Mem: |
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| 08:42.03 | jelly-home | [hC]: config-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 doesn't have is (not even unset) |
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| 08:42.19 | [hC] | jelly-home: thanks, ill recompile one from scratch then.. |
| 08:42.41 | schemelab | Eulex: 334 used, 13 free in -/+ buffers/cache |
| 08:42.44 | jelly-home | [hC]: 2.6.25-2-686 does have =y |
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| 08:42.50 | groton | anyone know how to use vnc how does behave on windows? I.e. i want take control of the main desktop window |
| 08:43.17 | [hC] | jelly-home: thats in unstable? |
| 08:43.19 | Eulex | schemelab, that's not gooed, I assume you don't have any swap and/or it's full too? |
| 08:43.23 | Eulex | *good |
| 08:43.49 | schemelab | swap is 255 used, 0 free |
| 08:43.58 | jelly-home | [hC]: aye |
| 08:43.58 | schemelab | This mailman issues keep rearing its head back up |
| 08:44.03 | schemelab | I thought I had it fixed |
| 08:44.04 | R00t3r | running etch, its an older system that i want to virtualize, ive tried vmware but failed to install due to older machine, any ideas? |
| 08:44.09 | schemelab | the people on the mailman list wont help me |
| 08:44.12 | schemelab | not even for money |
| 08:44.59 | R00t3r | btw ive heard of xen but not interested in it. |
| 08:45.17 | jelly-home | schemelab: mailman is decently written, you should be able to dig in (if needed) even if you have no knowledge of python |
| 08:45.48 | markybob | R00t3r, what are you interested in? |
| 08:45.55 | wols | !tell R00t3r about vmware |
| 08:46.16 | wols | groton: ask #windows |
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| 08:46.24 | groton | wols, come on :) |
| 08:46.45 | jelly-home | schemelab: there's a #mailman as well, but you usually have to wait a bit for someone able to help with anything more complex |
| 08:46.52 | simonrvn | is the chan name #windows? no. |
| 08:46.58 | schemelab | yeah, they never really seem to answer in #mailman |
| 08:47.28 | Eulex | schemelab, did you try contacting the mailman people through a mailing list? |
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| 08:47.36 | jelly-home | groton: he's wrong though; you should really ask ##windows |
| 08:47.49 | wols | jelly-home: it redirects afaik :P |
| 08:48.05 | schemelab | yes, I made a mistake and they got angry at me.... I felt I was being ignored and got more responses to my question asking why I was ignored than my original question :) |
| 08:48.09 | groton | lol, maybe my question is not clear. Only cause i mentioned Windows... |
| 08:48.21 | schemelab | then I queried about commericial support and no one answered |
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| 08:48.35 | vlt | Does anyone know how to use a tcpdump (or tshark) filter based on timestamps? |
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| 08:50.34 | groton | wols, is it not possible to visualize the main display on another host thru vnc? |
| 08:50.42 | schemelab | My swap is 256MB should I increase it to 1gig? |
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| 08:51.06 | wols | schemelab: not énough information |
| 08:51.46 | wols | schemelab: use a swapfile first and try it out |
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| 08:52.41 | smax | what does it mean "The following packages have been kept back:" packages doesn't apgrade |
| 08:52.45 | PingFloyd | schemelab: if it's getting full under what is a heavy memory usage conditions for you |
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| 08:53.08 | wols | !tell smax about kept back |
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| 08:53.46 | wols | schemelab: if it'S the openssh upgrade, you MUST dist-upgrade |
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| 08:54.06 | smax | wols thanks |
| 08:54.10 | schemelab | that apparently was held back (openssh) - http://paste.debian.net/5432/ |
| 08:54.14 | Eulex | not really, I believe you can apt-get install the packages in question to install them |
| 08:54.20 | Eulex | *upgrade them |
| 08:54.47 | liable | yay, finally a new clamav in volatile |
| 08:55.39 | wols | Eulex: I wouldn't do that in this case |
| 08:56.48 | vlt | groton: man x11vnc |
| 08:57.01 | groton | vlt, thanks :) |
| 08:58.41 | PingFloyd | usually when you have kept back package, dist-upgrade will address that, but I would recommend doing a dry-run of dist-upgrade first |
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| 08:59.40 | [M4rk0] | !ftp must die |
| 08:59.41 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 09:00.33 | jelly-home | !nickometer [M4rk0] |
| 09:00.35 | dpkg | '[M4rk0]' is 98.090% lame, jelly-home |
| 09:00.50 | [M4rk0] | :D |
| 09:01.04 | [M4rk0] | !nickometer jelly-home |
| 09:01.05 | dpkg | 'jelly-home' is 14.000% lame, [m4rk0] |
| 09:01.12 | [M4rk0] | dooh |
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| 09:01.56 | [M4rk0] | jelly-home, can you check this http://paste.uni.cc/18829 i commented problem in pastebin |
| 09:02.19 | enouf | in general, many things that apply to etch/stable, don't apply to lenny or sid and vice-versa |
| 09:02.54 | jelly-home | [M4rk0]: I can't, sorry |
| 09:03.04 | [M4rk0] | okay |
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| 09:08.41 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 09:08.50 | Chris-NB | anyone using a Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP73 with debian? |
| 09:08.59 | cast | =erm |
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| 09:11.30 | markybob | !anyone |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 09:12.23 | Chris-NB | dpkg, okay, I'm using debian etch and try to install it on a pc having a Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP73 and I get no luck with that |
| 09:12.23 | dpkg | You are moron #33, Chris-NB |
| 09:12.53 | markybob | !tell Chris-NB about kmuto |
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| 09:13.13 | Chris-NB | lscpi show's the card, but ifconfig -a doesn't show the interface |
| 09:13.31 | markybob | Chris-NB, that hardware's a bit too new, so you should try kmuto's installer |
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| 09:13.51 | Chris-NB | markybob, okay. thanks |
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| 09:17.02 | Chris-NB | is there a possibility to get the kernel config of the linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 debian package? |
| 09:17.47 | cast | are you using 2.6.18-6-686 right now? |
| 09:18.00 | alturiak | it's probably /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 if you have the package installed |
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| 09:19.06 | AbsintheSyringe | if I'm comparing two directories with diff, how can I list the directories that are not in the other |
| 09:19.39 | Chris-NB | cast, jep |
| 09:19.40 | themill | AbsintheSyringe: try the -q option |
| 09:20.12 | Chris-NB | alturiak, okay, really stupid question .... thanks for that! |
| 09:20.30 | AbsintheSyringe | themill, awesome, tnx |
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| 09:21.23 | themill | AbsintheSyringe: no worries, man diff has lots of nice things :) |
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| 09:21.45 | AbsintheSyringe | themill, I'm actually in it right now, and I coulnd't get that one :) |
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| 09:24.18 | leOn | howdy |
| 09:24.59 | Sling | hi |
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| 09:25.47 | dokma | hi guys |
| 09:26.00 | Sling | what about the girls? |
| 09:26.03 | dokma | I bought 2 160GB barracudas. Now I'd like to copy my existing debian system to one of it. |
| 09:26.09 | dokma | girls come second |
| 09:26.27 | dokma | Is this possible by just copying the partitions around ? |
| 09:26.37 | leOn | i was wondering if it's already common knowledge that Xen support is enabled on regular x86 linux-image-2.6.25 ... at least on linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 09:26.48 | Sling | why not do just dd from one /dev/hd* to the other |
| 09:27.23 | dokma | Sling: that's what seemed logical to me too but I do not have enough knowledge to say yeah that's it. |
| 09:27.33 | dokma | is that the way to do it? |
| 09:27.38 | simonrvn | differing disk sizes? |
| 09:27.42 | leOn | that's hardly a good thing to do since the disks probably have different geometries |
| 09:27.43 | dokma | yes |
| 09:27.50 | dokma | I'd need to resize the first partition |
| 09:27.56 | dokma | and move swap to the end of the disk |
| 09:28.03 | dokma | in reversed order obviously |
| 09:28.30 | dokma | I did something similar on my live dedicated server so I know it's possible |
| 09:28.35 | leOn | my advise would be to boot from a rescue cd and use tar to copy the system |
| 09:28.41 | themill | dokma: I'd probably boot off a livecd and use rsync for that. |
| 09:28.41 | dokma | I took away some space from swap and it worked fine |
| 09:29.16 | dokma | hmmm... yeah booting koppix might be a better way than doing it live |
| 09:29.23 | dokma | don't know rsync |
| 09:29.27 | dokma | let me check the manual |
| 09:30.03 | themill | dokma: a tar pipe would work too as leOn suggested. Might be a little faster too. man rsync has useful examples. |
| 09:30.08 | dokma | isn't partition copy a better way them? |
| 09:30.27 | dokma | parted? |
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| 09:30.47 | Sling | that wont work well if disk geometry is different |
| 09:30.50 | dokma | just copy the things, move swap to the end of the disk and resize first partition and it's file system... |
| 09:30.53 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 09:31.23 | Sling | just copying the files with rsync for example is more fault-safe |
| 09:31.29 | dokma | Sling: so you suggest I first setup partitions and filesystems and then do a copy? |
| 09:31.43 | Sling | let the filesystem handle the disk instead of writing raw data to it |
| 09:31.58 | leOn | dokma: boot of a rescue cd (i advise sysresccd), create two dirs in /mnt .... say /mnt/old and /mnt/new |
| 09:31.59 | dokma | I see |
| 09:32.01 | simonrvn | that would certainly allow for differing disk partitions |
| 09:32.03 | dokma | you have a point though |
| 09:32.12 | themill | dokma: copying files into freshly created partitions sounds like a better thing to do than trying to resize partitions. I know that it's supposed to be possible these days, but I don't like doing it still. |
| 09:32.32 | leOn | mount the old systems partitions in /mnt/old respecting their hierarchy |
| 09:32.35 | simonrvn | old skool ;) |
| 09:32.49 | leOn | fdisk the new disk at your liking |
| 09:33.08 | dokma | themill: it's probably my experience with stealing space out of a huge swap partition on a live dedicated server that went great that makes me lean into partition copying and stuff |
| 09:33.16 | themill | simonrvn: between leOn and me, we'll have him typing in hex over a serial connection to do it soon... |
| 09:33.16 | leOn | mount those new partitions in /mnt/new respecting the new hierarchy |
| 09:33.29 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 09:33.39 | leOn | cd /mnt/old |
| 09:33.48 | dokma | leOn: yes I see your plan |
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| 09:33.57 | Sling | otherwise, the monkey method |
| 09:34.27 | leOn | tar cf - * | ( cd /mnt/new; tar xfp -) |
| 09:34.39 | leOn | go grab a coffee/beer |
| 09:34.42 | leOn | =P |
| 09:34.48 | themill | dokma: just follow leOn's advice here. There is no speed difference in doing it with dd vs tar or rsync and there are lots of advantages in not monkeying with the partitions in such a low level way. |
| 09:34.50 | dokma | ungh... can't even understand that tar line |
| 09:34.58 | dokma | I don't like commands I can't decode myself |
| 09:35.04 | themill | leOn: s/;/&&/ |
| 09:35.22 | simonrvn | yeh, && would be nicer ;) |
| 09:35.39 | themill | and that will also miss any dotfiles in /mnt/old which may or may not be important |
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| 09:35.52 | simonrvn | true |
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| 09:36.10 | leOn | actually i said *, but what i usually do is hit Esc and then * |
| 09:36.11 | dokma | ok I'll go prep some partitions |
| 09:36.14 | leOn | =) |
| 09:36.36 | themill | leOn: tar cf - * creates (c) a tar archive of /mnt/old/* and spits it out on standard output (f -) |
| 09:36.38 | dokma | I planned on using the other disk for WinXP to run it in some virtualization env under linux |
| 09:36.49 | dokma | I suppose there is no obstacles to doing that |
| 09:37.08 | leOn | themill: i know what it does =) |
| 09:37.19 | themill | dokma: tar cf - * creates (c) a tar archive of /mnt/old/* and spits it out on standard output (f -) |
| 09:37.23 | themill | leOn: gah |
| 09:37.26 | leOn | eheh |
| 09:37.27 | dokma | I see |
| 09:37.39 | simonrvn | le0n has been here before ;) |
| 09:37.40 | dokma | the other one extracts it |
| 09:37.43 | themill | dokma: the archive is piped into a new sub shell | ( .... ) |
| 09:37.45 | dokma | from stdin |
| 09:38.05 | jelly | themill: there is a speed difference, but there's no telling what would be faster without knowing his filecount, size and dir. structure. if it's a 90% filled fs with zillions of directories and files, a block dump will be faster |
| 09:38.09 | themill | dokma: and this new subshell is told to first cd /mnt/new then untar the incoming archive that is coming in on stdin |
| 09:38.19 | leOn | simonrvn: have you noticed that Xen support is compiled in regular i686 linux-image-2.6.25-2 ? |
| 09:38.21 | themill | jelly: shhhh. :) |
| 09:38.32 | dokma | jelly: it's close to 100% full of a bunch of small files |
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| 09:38.41 | jelly | themill: but tar gives him defragmentation "for free" |
| 09:39.01 | themill | jelly: yep, that's what I was thinking. Even ignoring disk geom issues and resizing scariness. |
| 09:39.06 | dokma | duh... you guys are getting all theological about this |
| 09:39.08 | dokma | calm down |
| 09:39.30 | themill | dokma: it's a slow day today :) |
| 09:39.35 | jelly | dokma: teorijske rasprave su glavna fora! |
| 09:39.38 | simonrvn | dokma: this is #debian, it's standard goings-on in here ;p |
| 09:40.17 | jelly | has done it both ways |
| 09:40.21 | simonrvn | leOn: vaguely noticed, yeh. dunno why. |
| 09:40.32 | themill | dokma: if it weren't a slow day, you probably wouldn't have got much more than "no use a tar pipe, ask google what it is". |
| 09:40.50 | leOn | i also vaguely noticed that yesterday while trying to build my nvidia drivers |
| 09:40.52 | leOn | =P |
| 09:41.33 | simonrvn | i roll my own mostly (still), unless i'm feeling lazy that day. |
| 09:41.46 | leOn | i'm lazy every day |
| 09:41.49 | leOn | eh |
| 09:42.23 | simonrvn | :D |
| 09:42.27 | simonrvn | !lazy |
| 09:42.27 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 09:42.28 | jelly | themill: noone even mentioned cp -a, or rsync, or the correct options needed to save funny stuff like hardlinks and sparse files |
| 09:42.45 | simonrvn | hmm,, where's that perl lazy factoid... |
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| 09:43.10 | simonrvn | someone did mention rsync, but not cp |
| 09:43.35 | themill | jelly: I mentioned rsync!!! |
| 09:43.42 | daf999 | Is it possible to disassemble a raid0 gracfully? and saving the data? (reverting to single disks) |
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| 09:44.05 | leOn | daf999: sure ... 1st save the data, then disassemble |
| 09:44.09 | leOn | =) |
| 09:44.26 | daf999 | :P |
| 09:44.54 | simonrvn | #debian: Total of 830 nicks (2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 828 normal) |
| 09:45.02 | simonrvn | been getting bigger... |
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| 09:45.22 | leOn | raid0 means no failsafe, so if you just remove 1 disk, you'll end up with nothing |
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| 09:45.46 | themill | simonrvn: I don't think there are anywhere near 828 normal people in this channel. |
| 09:45.49 | Sling | daf999 : you could write all the data to a disk at least the size of all raid0-disks together, but that wont give you all the files |
| 09:45.54 | th1 | hi, can I create a kernel package for i686 on an amd64 system? |
| 09:45.58 | th1 | with kpgp? |
| 09:46.03 | simonrvn | themill: i sure ain't ;) |
| 09:46.11 | leOn | th1: sure |
| 09:46.14 | themill | simonrvn: indeed! |
| 09:46.18 | themill | runs away |
| 09:46.22 | daf999 | I thought there might be some magical way to revert a raid0 to a raid1 configuration\ |
| 09:46.22 | th1 | leOn, how :) |
| 09:46.26 | simonrvn | laughs |
| 09:46.33 | Sling | daf999 : on high-end controllers, yes |
| 09:46.35 | simonrvn | daf999: nope |
| 09:46.42 | leOn | th1: that's called cross-compiling |
| 09:46.44 | simonrvn | Sling: ORLY |
| 09:46.45 | Sling | and if the disk isnt full |
| 09:46.50 | wols | themill: but there were only ~700-750 nicks in here not so long ago |
| 09:46.52 | Sling | simonrvn : yarly |
| 09:46.58 | simonrvn | neat |
| 09:47.03 | Sling | like areca |
| 09:47.06 | leOn | when you compile it, just specify which arch you want for your target |
| 09:47.07 | Sling | areca++ |
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| 09:47.23 | th1 | leOn, yes but does kpkg support it and what do I need? I'd like to have a script on my main server that churns out identical version packages for all my machines both amd64 and i686 |
| 09:47.37 | themill | wols: yeah I know. It's quite some growth rate. OFTC is about the same size as it was a year ago though |
| 09:48.02 | wols | oftc never caught on |
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| 09:50.13 | leOn | th1: use make-kpkg with --arch |
| 09:50.23 | leOn | read the make-kpkg man page |
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| 09:51.13 | jelly | daf999: the not so magical way is called "backup, reformat, restore" |
| 09:51.28 | th1 | leOn, I did read it but I don't quite understand it. it says --arch can be "a multi-arch set (like i386/amd64)" does this mean I can build several packages in one run of make-kpgp with this? |
| 09:51.39 | leOn | yes |
| 09:51.51 | th1 | do I need to specify multiple kernel configurations then? |
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| 09:52.46 | Fubarovic | where do i specify module options for debian lenny? it seems /etc/modprobe.d seems deprecated |
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| 09:55.36 | Led_Zeppelin | hello, I have 2 RAID 5 disks. I am using LVM to stripe them, is that a good idea? |
| 09:56.14 | dokma | guys thanks for all the help |
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| 09:56.22 | petemc | Led_Zeppelin: how many disk? |
| 09:56.24 | dokma | I'm off to partitioning and copying |
| 09:56.27 | petemc | sss |
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| 09:57.33 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: you can't have 2 RAID 5 disks |
| 09:57.39 | Led_Zeppelin | petemc, 6 disks each |
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| 09:57.47 | Led_Zeppelin | wols, why not? |
| 09:57.56 | wols | cause a RAID 5 is 3 disks minimum |
| 09:58.07 | petemc | he was correcting your terminology, which was confusing |
| 09:58.12 | petemc | you mean s/disk/array/ |
| 09:58.15 | Led_Zeppelin | I have total of 12 disks in a array. Created 1 RAID 5 volume with 6 disks. and created another RAID 5 volumes with another |
| 09:58.19 | Fubarovic | no ideas on the modules options thing? |
| 09:59.09 | Led_Zeppelin | 12 disks made 2 RAID 5 volumes with 6 disks each, petemc |
| 09:59.23 | leOn | and then you striped them?... |
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| 09:59.49 | Led_Zeppelin | leOn, yes, using LVM2 |
| 09:59.58 | leOn | stipe is one thing |
| 10:00.09 | leOn | stripe is one thing (raid0) |
| 10:00.13 | leOn | lvm is another |
| 10:00.30 | Led_Zeppelin | RAID5 volume striping is occuring via controller. |
| 10:00.57 | leOn | i'm confused |
| 10:01.12 | daf999 | jelly, thats what I am doing right now I quess.. copying all the stuff to a 3rd drive, then breaking up the raid and putting it all back on one of them |
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| 10:02.23 | leOn | you have 2 raid5 arrays |
| 10:02.33 | leOn | what do you have on top of those? |
| 10:02.37 | Led_Zeppelin | nothing |
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| 10:02.58 | Led_Zeppelin | the 2 RAID 5 groups are being provided by the controller. SO they appear as physical disks on Linux |
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| 10:03.36 | leOn | okkk ... so what's the problem ? |
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| 10:05.17 | Led_Zeppelin | so, now I am using LVM to put these 2 into a VG |
| 10:05.26 | leOn | and ... ? |
| 10:05.26 | Led_Zeppelin | I am creating a LV which is striped |
| 10:05.26 | Led_Zeppelin | is that a good idea? |
| 10:05.26 | leOn | well ... sure if that's what you want |
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| 10:05.49 | leOn | have you provided any backup disk(s) to the arrays? |
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| 10:05.57 | leOn | that's usually a good idea |
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| 10:06.06 | sep | what is the benefit of striped vs nonstriped ? striped will even out the data over the devices ? |
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| 10:06.39 | leOn | if your controller supports it, i would reserve 1 of those 12 disks for failsafe |
| 10:06.40 | Led_Zeppelin | sep, yep. Raid 5 does that too |
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| 10:06.51 | wols_ | triped will give him one big disk consisting of both raid5s |
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| 10:06.58 | wols_ | +s |
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| 10:07.29 | sep | wols_, that would nonstriped do as well would it not ? |
| 10:07.57 | wols_ | true, simple LVM would work as well |
| 10:07.58 | sep | but more in a first device1 then device2 way ? |
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| 10:08.09 | sep | so you even the load with stripe ? |
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| 10:08.41 | sep | do you gain avereage performance as well (in same way as raid0) |
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| 10:12.33 | Skratz0r | Patooie |
| 10:12.36 | Skratz0r | Netsplits |
| 10:12.55 | leOn | sep: you are correct |
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| 10:15.00 | leOn | the downside in striped lvm mapping, imho, is that if you get a disk failure (with no raid levels underneath), you'll lose much more information that if it's in linear mode |
| 10:15.36 | Led_Zeppelin | leOn, but I have raid |
| 10:15.42 | leOn | since linear "serializes" the data writing, things get a bit more contained |
| 10:16.06 | leOn | Led_Zeppelin: yes, i know .. i was just talking to sep |
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| 10:21.36 | daf999 | Is there any use for copying /dev/* along with everything to the new system? or it will just be created automatically? |
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| 10:22.09 | cast | it has perms and shit you might want to preserve, and softlinks |
| 10:22.28 | daf999 | cool thnx |
| 10:22.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:25.18 | eject_ck | Hi alll |
| 10:25.22 | Skratz0r | Hewwo |
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| 10:26.01 | leOn | daf999: just create a /dev dir and copy /dev/.static into the new dir |
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| 10:27.02 | daf999 | leOn, ok thanks (doing cp -a for everything in / 1 by 1) |
| 10:27.33 | leOn | using a livecd i hope |
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| 10:28.10 | daf999 | no, copying from the raid0 to an nfs mount on a laptop |
| 10:28.23 | Skratz0r | See you guys and gals later |
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| 10:32.01 | Mundus | Is it normal for aptitude to remove all kde components before installing a new console? |
| 10:32.45 | defrysk | Mundus, aptitude does enaything to resolve the dependencies |
| 10:32.55 | Mundus | Okay, remove that kde part and replace it with "all installed applications" |
| 10:32.56 | defrysk | even uninstall your os if it has to |
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| 10:33.05 | leOn | likes apt-get -u very much |
| 10:33.17 | defrysk | apt-get is "the safer" tool |
| 10:33.52 | themill | Mundus: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 10:33.55 | cast | sure, if you're a fool who clicks yes to random promts :P |
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| 10:36.20 | wols_ | !tell Mundus about why aptitude |
| 10:36.35 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how to use a tcpdump filter based on timestamps? |
| 10:36.47 | Mundus | The prompt didn't say anything about removing python, lilo, perl, and all of KDE, so I chose yes |
| 10:37.16 | cast | if that is the case it is a very serious bug. |
| 10:37.45 | Mundus | Try installing rxvt-unicode and check out the message you get |
| 10:38.42 | themill | Mundus: it just installs it. What version of debian are you using? |
| 10:38.45 | eject_ck | is any special "debian ways" in firewall (iptables) configuration ? |
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| 10:39.05 | Mundus | etch |
| 10:39.12 | cast | http://rafb.net/p/IKPqbE84.txt worked fine :) etch. |
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| 10:39.37 | eject_ck | I need configure firewall as gateway for my office |
| 10:40.02 | themill | Mundus: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy rxvt-unicode" |
| 10:40.03 | Juventino | hello |
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| 10:41.07 | vlt | eject_ck: No special ways. (Sometimes you need an additional "--dport 22 -j REJECT" on Debian machines ;-) |
| 10:41.38 | eject_ck | vlt, listening only on internal interface :) |
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| 10:42.12 | eject_ck | thanks! |
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| 10:52.14 | gonzaloaf | hi, a program like lshw? |
| 10:52.23 | gonzaloaf | maybe more specific? |
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| 10:53.19 | petemc | gonzaloaf: hwinfo , lspci, dmidecode |
| 10:53.31 | petemc | not that ive ever used lshw |
| 10:53.48 | gonzaloaf | petemc, thanks, what I want to know is what bus is the memory I have installed |
| 10:53.58 | petemc | dmidecode |
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| 10:54.21 | eject_ck | need suggestion how make mc window in putty more beautiful (I see garbage on borders) |
| 10:54.38 | petemc | change TERM |
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| 10:55.32 | eject_ck | petemc, to what ? |
| 10:55.35 | jelly | eject_ck: does the output of "locale" command suggest you're using an UTF-8 enabled locale? |
| 10:55.57 | eject_ck | jelly, yes |
| 10:56.10 | jelly | eject_ck: if so, you can make putty use unicode graphic characters |
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| 10:57.15 | jelly | eject_ck: settings -> translation -> received data assumed to be in which character set |
| 10:57.32 | eject_ck | see |
| 10:57.38 | eject_ck | Thanks! saving |
| 10:58.03 | eject_ck | great! It's what I need |
| 10:58.27 | eject_ck | jelly, thank you ! |
| 10:58.41 | gonzaloaf | ot - if my cpu has an external bus of 200Mhz, what bus should be the ram? |
| 10:58.44 | themill | dpkg: tell eject_ck about ssh linedraw |
| 10:59.02 | themill | dpkg: tell eject_ck about putty linedraw |
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| 10:59.32 | jelly | themill: thanks |
| 10:59.51 | themill | jelly: a little behind the times, but hey |
| 10:59.53 | slxix | Customer: "What do you mean, other tape? When it said second volume, I just hit enter again." |
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| 11:00.35 | slxix | first computer joke in a long time to make me chuckle. |
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| 11:01.02 | eject_ck | btw, if somebody interested - I have flight on KLM board on Boeing 747 with media consoles. It's unbelivable but mine rebooted, so some photos - redhat on each seat http://eject.name/ |
| 11:01.54 | cast | i feel you are abusing the term 'unbelievable' |
| 11:02.12 | cast | " |
| 11:02.14 | cast | I am using MCSE Self-Paced Training Kit "Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Core Requirements, Second Edition" " |
| 11:02.18 | cast | stones eject_ck |
| 11:02.24 | themill | dpkg: ssh linedraw is <reply>If you've got strange characters from curses based interfaces (like mc, aptitude or debconf), then make sure you have a UTF-8 encoding specified for your locale, and use a unicode font in your terminal that has good support for linedraw characters. Ask me about <locales>. If you're using putty, ask me about <putty linedraw>. |
| 11:02.24 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 11:02.25 | slxix | cast, have you been to sensitivity training? |
| 11:02.39 | cast | slxix: stoned, maybe. |
| 11:02.40 | eject_ck | cast, used |
| 11:02.48 | slxix | fair enough. :) |
| 11:03.36 | jelly | casts a stone at cast |
| 11:03.42 | ajakkes | i want to run debian on my old laptop with an window manager installed. |
| 11:03.42 | ajakkes | do i need to install the standard package as well as the laptop package? |
| 11:04.22 | slxix | eject_ck: my DNS server can't find eject.name |
| 11:04.26 | Eulex | you don't need to select any of the tasks. but you probably want the standard and laptop tasks. |
| 11:04.56 | eject_ck | http://sudyr.blogspot.com |
| 11:05.07 | slxix | erk..nor can it find google.com. it's down for the night. argh. |
| 11:05.17 | eject_ck | :) |
| 11:05.17 | Eulex | they aren't packages, btw, they are just lists of packages to install. so choosing 'laptop' will make it install a few packages that are useful for laptops. |
| 11:05.18 | ajakkes | my previous try was without tasks but i missed the window server and network abilities |
| 11:05.32 | ajakkes | *window manager* |
| 11:06.56 | themill | ajakkes: you can run tasksel again afterwards, or just install the packages you want afterwards. There's no magic in the installer that locks you down one particular path based on that initial response. |
| 11:07.24 | Eulex | ajakkes, install one? |
| 11:08.53 | ajakkes | themill: command tasksel? |
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| 11:09.20 | themill | ajakkes: yep |
| 11:09.24 | ajakkes | tnx |
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| 11:14.36 | eject_ck | what package contain vim with syntax highlighting features, but not require X features |
| 11:14.51 | petemc | vim needs x libs anyway, doesnt it? |
| 11:15.28 | slxix | petemc: not if compiled without? |
| 11:15.39 | petemc | we're talking about the debian package |
| 11:16.14 | Eulex | vim-tiny doesn't. vim-full does. but vim-tiny doesn't provide syntax hilighting either. |
| 11:16.41 | Eulex | eject_ck, note that vim-full doesn't require xorg, but it requires x libs |
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| 11:20.12 | themill | vim-nox? |
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| 11:20.58 | cast | no you'll blow the cylinders! |
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| 11:21.44 | richard_ | hey, i'm having a problem assembling a software raid array |
| 11:21.51 | richard_ | i have a raid5 on 4 disks moved from another machine |
| 11:22.04 | richard_ | problem is, the partition table on two of the disks is GPT, |
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| 11:23.38 | richard_ | it outputs md: bind<hdc1> messages for all the raid partitions |
| 11:23.55 | richard_ | but then gives an error mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array |
| 11:24.07 | richard_ | running unstable with evrything up to date |
| 11:24.41 | slxix | why do you run unstable? |
| 11:25.36 | richard_ | cause an ide card i have causse stable to kernel panic |
| 11:27.07 | richard_ | hmm |
| 11:27.34 | richard_ | apparently windows can convert from gpt to "mbr" |
| 11:27.55 | richard_ | its not clear if that involves the erasure of the data tho |
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| 11:30.14 | richard_ | hmmmmmmm |
| 11:30.27 | richard_ | welthe MS KB article doesn't say anything about destruction of data |
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| 11:32.34 | darkapostrophe | Does anyone here know a quick way to convert a directory full of PNGs to BMPs, preferably without quality loss? I tried figuring it out by looking at man convert and man imagemagick, but am having trouble understand which options I need... |
| 11:32.43 | eject_ck | debian specific question about iptables - I saved my iptables with iptables-save but it not restired after reboot |
| 11:33.20 | eject_ck | why ? do I need do it in rc.local etc ... ? |
| 11:33.31 | wols_ | eject_ck: you need to do it yourself |
| 11:34.08 | wols_ | !gpt |
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| 11:34.33 | wols_ | richard_: there are linux versions which undersnd gpt |
| 11:34.52 | wols_ | however a software raid array from any other OS can't be used under windows |
| 11:34.55 | wols_ | erm, under linux |
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| 11:35.45 | Usiu | Hi |
| 11:36.01 | Usiu | how to pass parameters for loading module ? |
| 11:36.10 | Usiu | by default for startup |
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| 11:39.26 | unixSnob | After installing build-essential, it seems I'm still missing something essential -- kernel sources |
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| 11:39.48 | themill | darkapostrophe: something like this will work: for i in *.png; do convert "$i" "${i/.png/.bmp}"; done |
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| 11:40.03 | Willl_ | When running module-assistant prepare I get: Package linux-headers-2.6.22-14-server is not available, but is referred to by another package. What would fix this? |
| 11:40.04 | visof | hello |
| 11:40.11 | unixSnob | anyone know the package I need to get the kernel source? running apt-cache search kernel gets a flood of packages |
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| 11:40.40 | visof | i add /dev/hda5 /mnt/b fat32 rw 0 0 to /etc/fstab to mount "fat32" |
| 11:40.45 | themill | Willl_: that's an outdated kernel so it's no longer in debian. Either upgrade your kernel or try to find it on snapshots; /msg dpkg snapshots |
| 11:40.47 | visof | and then mount -a |
| 11:40.56 | visof | and i have fat32 is unknown |
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| 11:41.03 | visof | what should i do ? |
| 11:41.05 | darkapostrophe | themill: It worked |
| 11:41.08 | darkapostrophe | themill: Thanks a lot :D |
| 11:41.30 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: no worries. Learn a little bit of bash scripting and you'll go a long way :) |
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| 11:42.15 | richard_ | wols_ : its a linux software raid from openfiler |
| 11:42.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I don't have the patience to learn any languages... I've tried multiple times before... I just get bored and fall asleep, or get distracted by *anything* else.. :( :( |
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| 11:42.30 | richard_ | which reated it but for some reason refuses to detect it |
| 11:42.33 | richard_ | created* |
| 11:42.44 | richard_ | i believe openfiler is red hat based |
| 11:42.51 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: we prefer you to learn than to ask every time though... /msg dpkg fish |
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| 11:43.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I'd prefer to learn too, if I could.. :( |
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| 11:43.41 | richard_ | wols_ : can you suggest a linux distro that will be able to read my gpt software raid partitions? |
| 11:43.48 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: do it one piece at a time... do you understand what that snippet did? |
| 11:43.48 | richard_ | as i doubt this is going to work |
| 11:43.58 | richard_ | i had to pull the ide card as windows setup won't boot with it in either |
| 11:44.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: Let me read it carefully for a moment... |
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| 11:44.13 | aronofsky | hi , can anyone tell me how I can know what packages have been installed by depedencies to another given package ? |
| 11:44.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Umm.. |
| 11:44.35 | richard_ | aronofsky: look up the pacakge on packages.debian.org |
| 11:44.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | The 'for i' part |
| 11:44.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't get that.. :P |
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| 11:45.11 | visof | hey, anbody read my question? |
| 11:45.38 | aronofsky | richard_: no way to get that from command line ? |
| 11:46.19 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: it's a loop structure. The basic format is: for variable in list_of_things ; do something ; done It might make more sense written out on multiple lines. |
| 11:46.25 | Willl_ | themill: /etc/debian_version shows 4.0, so should an apt-get dist-upgrade install the latest kernel (it isn't), or do I need another command? |
| 11:46.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Um.. k |
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| 11:47.02 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: http://rafb.net/p/etRZVC72.html |
| 11:47.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | so, the variable is .png? |
| 11:47.11 | Eulex | Willl_, etch has a 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 11:47.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | And everything that matches png get something done to it? |
| 11:47.21 | themill | Willl_: that's not an etch kernel |
| 11:47.31 | wols_ | richard_: deadrat |
| 11:47.53 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, the list is *.png i.e. everything in the dir that ends with .png |
| 11:48.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | I see |
| 11:48.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | regex-like |
| 11:48.21 | richard_ | aronofsky : probably, i always use the online one |
| 11:48.28 | richard_ | wols_ : url? |
| 11:48.35 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: "i" is the dummy variable in the loop; it's a little like a regexp but not as sophisticated and with a different syntax |
| 11:48.41 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, this is globbing |
| 11:49.00 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, your shell creates a list of all files matching *.png and the loops through them |
| 11:49.01 | visof | how can i mount my fat32 file system? |
| 11:49.02 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: the "something" that gets done to it is convert foo.png foo.bmp |
| 11:49.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | ah... |
| 11:49.41 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: since i contains foo.png, we want to strip of the png and add bmp, which is what the ${i/.png/.bmp} does |
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| 11:50.01 | CuBe0wL | does anyone use KDE here? I'd like to ask 1-2 things to sort out a problem I have |
| 11:50.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I see |
| 11:50.16 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: And the double quotes are just there to make sure that things don't go titsup if you have filenames with spaces in them. |
| 11:50.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | CuBe0wL: I use KDE |
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| 11:50.39 | richard_ | ok so much for that idea |
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| 11:50.46 | themill | CuBe0wL: assume yes and ask your real question |
| 11:51.05 | CuBe0wL | Dark_Apostrophe, does Konqueror autorefreshing for you if you do some file system changes? |
| 11:51.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... I'm trying to comprehend it, and to some degree, I think I understand the logic.. but it'll take me a while before I start writing bash scripts :P |
| 11:51.09 | CuBe0wL | eg. copy a file |
| 11:51.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | CuBe0wL: Yup. |
| 11:51.24 | visof | please anybody help me |
| 11:51.28 | CuBe0wL | ok, does famd running for you? |
| 11:51.31 | visof | why the all ignoring me |
| 11:51.41 | CuBe0wL | visof, man mount |
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| 11:51.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | CuBe0wL: Nope, famd isn't running |
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| 11:51.50 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: there are a few guides to getting into scripting. It's worthwhile learning a little. |
| 11:51.51 | visof | thanks |
| 11:52.15 | Skratz0r | How can I configure Compiz? - running Debian 4.0 |
| 11:52.16 | CuBe0wL | hm... ok. thx |
| 11:52.17 | ajakkes | how do i get my network to work |
| 11:52.28 | visof | well, what is the name of fat32 in Debian? |
| 11:52.35 | CuBe0wL | vfat |
| 11:52.41 | visof | oh |
| 11:52.43 | visof | thanks |
| 11:52.44 | themill | dpkg: tell visof about vfatrw |
| 11:52.46 | CuBe0wL | np |
| 11:52.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I know, and I do want to learn it.. but like I've said before, I just can't sit down and do stuff like that for long |
| 11:52.58 | Skratz0r | dpkg tell Skratz0r about compiz |
| 11:53.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | I bought O'Reilly's Learning Python, and got to about page 30 by forcing myself to sit there... then I kept falling asleep while reading. |
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| 11:53.30 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: don't sit down and read a big fat book on it, just go away and learn a little bit when you have a specific task to do. |
| 11:53.39 | bbinotto | does anyone know how to stop qpopper pop service? |
| 11:53.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: That sounds like a decent idea |
| 11:54.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: http://rafb.net/p/4t1qT150.html |
| 11:54.56 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: Like that conversion thing.... learning how to do a loop in bash was what you needed, you now know that and can use it next time. Some time in the future, you'll see something else that needs a new trick... go and find that out. When you actually need to do something for yourself you have a much better incentive to learn and you will learn better as well. |
| 11:55.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | themill: I wrote that a while ago, because I was annoyed at music playing and BitTorrent running while trying to game... :P |
| 11:55.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | yeah |
| 11:55.52 | themill | Dark_Apostrophe: looks good. (the exit is unnecessary but not harmful) |
| 11:56.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | that's as far as my bash scripting skills go :P |
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| 11:59.18 | visof | the sound stopped suddenlly ? |
| 11:59.25 | visof | what should i do? |
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| 12:01.25 | pete_ | visof: increase volume? :) |
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| 12:01.47 | visof | i make it as maximum |
| 12:01.53 | visof | i make it maximum |
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| 12:02.04 | visof | and no sound too |
| 12:02.07 | Stefan` | hello, where can I find the source for debian installer ? |
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| 12:02.28 | Delicates | can anyone recommend an approach for running a swapless system? |
| 12:02.44 | slxix | make your swap a ramdisk? :) |
| 12:02.49 | pete_ | :DDDD |
| 12:02.59 | visof | what should i do? |
| 12:03.03 | pete_ | i guess some idiot program requires swap |
| 12:03.05 | Stefan` | it can have a negative effect on your system Delicates |
| 12:03.13 | pete_ | visof: reboot? Check that alsa is working |
| 12:03.20 | themill | dpkg: tell visof about about alsa checklist |
| 12:03.31 | themill | dpkg stupid bot |
| 12:03.31 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 12:03.34 | themill | dpkg: tell visof about alsa checklist |
| 12:04.23 | pete_ | dpkg: wass up? |
| 12:04.24 | dpkg | pete_: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 12:05.12 | ajakkes | i only have network access during installing of debian |
| 12:05.19 | Skratz0r | netinst! |
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| 12:05.32 | ajakkes | how do i get network access after installing |
| 12:06.21 | Stefan` | ifup eth0 |
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| 12:10.18 | ajakkes | ifup eth0 "no such device" |
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| 12:10.36 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 12:10.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 12:10.41 | opoftheuniverse | disk inodes are full how to solve it? |
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| 12:11.23 | ajakkes | stefan: ifup eth0 didn't work |
| 12:12.08 | defrysk | dhcpcd eth0 |
| 12:12.14 | opoftheuniverse | disk inodes are full how to solve it? |
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| 12:14.34 | Delicates | Stefan`: that's what I'm trying to avoid, but so far I haven't seen anything concrete about this "negative performance" I keep hearing about |
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| 12:15.53 | cast | Delicates: just don't use swap. |
| 12:15.58 | cast | hasn't used swap for years |
| 12:16.28 | cast | not sure what 'approach' you need other than no swap entry in fstab |
| 12:16.47 | pete_ | nothing i guess. Or is there some kernel "parameter" about "Support swap" ? |
| 12:17.07 | pete_ | swapoff /dev/something and delete entry from /etc/fstab |
| 12:17.27 | cast | CONFIG_SWAP=y so it is an option |
| 12:17.33 | pete_ | but some softare (don't remember what) i going to give some uggly shit about missing swap. Don't know if that is fatal, i guess not |
| 12:17.38 | ajakkes | how do i get debian to use my network card after installation |
| 12:17.38 | pete_ | cast: ok |
| 12:18.22 | pete_ | ajakkes: it should use it right away. If not you have some seriuosly misconfiguration going on over there. Do you have eth0 or eth1 ? maybe mac have changed after install. Have seen that couple of times |
| 12:18.30 | cast | i wonder if it makes any difference to have CONFIG_SWAP=y or n when you're not using any swap |
| 12:18.32 | slxix | Delicates: just install enough memory so that your computer will never use swap. |
| 12:19.53 | ajakkes | eth0 device not found eth1 ignoring unknown interface |
| 12:20.12 | pete_ | ajakkes: what media did you use to install? |
| 12:20.25 | Delicates | ok I think I found that setting that may impact swapless systems: /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 12:20.43 | ajakkes | cd |
| 12:20.56 | pete_ | ajakkes: omg, really? I mean netinstall etch, lenny? |
| 12:21.24 | pete_ | what kernel are you runnin now? write uname -r |
| 12:21.53 | ajakkes | huh, cd with debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso burned |
| 12:22.29 | ajakkes | 2.6.18.6.686 |
| 12:22.37 | pete_ | well that is pretty amazing problem. If install regonize it and system don't. They have same kernel |
| 12:22.51 | pete_ | maybe udev is some how fucked up |
| 12:22.55 | Delicates | as well as /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio. |
| 12:23.00 | ajakkes | during install pinging the laptop works |
| 12:23.14 | ajakkes | after install ping failes |
| 12:23.22 | cast | anyone recommend a good book for someone new to gnu/linux? the linux administration handbook used to be one of the better texts. said person will be running a cloud of debian boxes |
| 12:24.10 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.17 | cast | been there :P |
| 12:24.18 | pete_ | ajakkes: what's the network card in that machine? |
| 12:24.41 | asg | cast: Essential System Administration (O'Reilly) and also Martin Krafft's Debian System (a little dated but still relevant to Debian internals) |
| 12:25.05 | cast | nods and investigates |
| 12:25.09 | ajakkes | uh xircom realport re100 |
| 12:25.42 | pete_ | yeah. Well throw that to garbage and buy some "real" card. You save time and a lot |
| 12:25.49 | ajakkes | pcmcia car |
| 12:25.51 | ajakkes | card |
| 12:26.11 | ajakkes | It's an very old laptop |
| 12:27.20 | pete_ | problem is that udev don't know what module it should load so it will regognize that card. Do some googling and hope that someone know |
| 12:27.21 | asg | ajakkes: see if the 'xircom_cb' module is loaded |
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| 12:27.48 | pete_ | yea. that would propably solve that problem |
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| 12:28.40 | themill | cast: you mean they need to go past howtoforge?? zomg |
| 12:29.47 | ajakkes | how to check? |
| 12:30.09 | cast | howtoforge, hmm, after my time! |
| 12:30.09 | asg | ajakkes: /sbin/lsmod | grep xircom |
| 12:30.09 | pete_ | lsmod |grep xircom |
| 12:30.09 | cast | looks |
| 12:30.34 | pete_ | if it don't return any line then command 'modprobe xircom_cb' or what ever it was asg says |
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| 12:31.05 | themill | cast: there's also ubuntuforums... that's another _excellent_ resource ... |
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| 12:31.54 | cast | does that have a debian section? |
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| 12:32.35 | MunkeN | Hey. |
| 12:32.45 | MunkeN | I'm having some problems here. |
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| 12:32.56 | cast | have you considered divorce |
| 12:33.12 | MunkeN | No, but I have considered to throw this laptop out of the window. |
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| 12:33.35 | slxix | does it have a webcam? |
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| 12:33.36 | ajakkes | nothing to se |
| 12:33.41 | MunkeN | Yesterday, apt told me to "apt-get autoremove" to give me more freespace. So I did it. |
| 12:33.49 | ShredZ | Is it possible to make apache log the correct ip's if it is being run behind a firewall and only get forwarded access ? (I manage the NAT myself if that's any help) |
| 12:33.50 | asg | ajakkes: then /sbin/modprobe xircom_cb |
| 12:33.54 | MunkeN | Then it removed 800mb of packages, which basically is all the programs that I use. |
| 12:34.14 | MunkeN | So it removed x + everything else, and now nothing on the whole machine works. |
| 12:34.15 | cast | haha. |
| 12:34.37 | cast | i mean, damn. |
| 12:34.57 | cast | when i did that i looked in the logs to see get a list of packages, then installed those |
| 12:35.04 | asg | ShredZ: how is the forwarding being done? |
| 12:35.05 | MunkeN | So, anyway of getting apt-get to install all the packages it removed - or should I go back to windows? |
| 12:35.06 | ajakkes | /sbin/lsmod |grep xircom_cb returned xircom_cb 10272 0 |
| 12:35.09 | Eulex | MunkeN, so why didn't you read the list of packages it was going to remove? |
| 12:35.23 | MunkeN | Dude, it was over 2000 packages |
| 12:35.32 | Eulex | I doubt it |
| 12:35.48 | vaq | and you didn't suspect something was wrong MunkeN? |
| 12:35.48 | slxix | MunkeN: why did you come here? |
| 12:35.49 | MunkeN | Well, since it said "These packages are no longer used" I thought it'd be ok |
| 12:35.57 | vaq | rtfm |
| 12:36.02 | asg | ajakkes: if you now run, /sbin/ifconfig -a, do you get an interface listed? |
| 12:36.03 | Eulex | you can use tasksel to get a basic system with gui |
| 12:36.29 | Trewas | autoremove is kind of retarded, for me it currently offers to remove only 103 packages, most of them needed (because I sometimes installed gnome from some metapackage which was later removed because I removed something it depended on) |
| 12:36.40 | MunkeN | Well - bascially I just need to change keyboardlayout - but when I try it gives me an error. |
| 12:36.48 | Eulex | MunkeN, it's only a heuristic, from it knowing that the packages have been installed automatically when you installed another package. and that package is not installed anymore. |
| 12:37.05 | themill | dpkg: unmarkauto |
| 12:37.05 | dpkg | Is aptitude trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
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| 12:38.11 | Eulex | MunkeN, sorry "I get an error when doing something" is not enough for us to help you. what exactly are you doing and what errors are you getting? |
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| 12:38.40 | Trewas | thankfully apt-get does not remove them automatically, unlike aptitude, and you have to use autoremove explicitly |
| 12:38.44 | MunkeN | It says "Error setting XKB configuration" |
| 12:38.46 | Skrat | Clarifly please: debian-testing-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso would be a PPC version of lenny, with XFCE insteda of gnome? |
| 12:38.54 | Eulex | when doing what? |
| 12:39.05 | MunkeN | Setting a new keyboard layout |
| 12:39.10 | pete_ | Skrat: yep |
| 12:39.11 | Eulex | how? |
| 12:39.26 | Eulex | Skrat, it would be the first cd of lenny having that, yes |
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| 12:39.29 | MunkeN | It's already set to Swedish, but I still can't use any of the special characters we haev. :/ |
| 12:39.40 | asg | Skrat: I can't think it would be anything else, unless they are lying. |
| 12:39.53 | Eulex | MunkeN, how are you trying to set a keyboard layout? |
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| 12:40.21 | MunkeN | Through the "Keyboard preferences"-icon. |
| 12:40.31 | Skrat | Lol asg |
| 12:40.35 | Lrnet | hi |
| 12:40.38 | ajakkes | i got ethernet now |
| 12:40.46 | Skrat | Ty |
| 12:40.52 | asg | !congratulate ajakkes |
| 12:40.52 | dpkg | Yay ajakkes, you did it! |
| 12:41.01 | ajakkes | i changed pc bus to autoselect in the bios |
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| 12:41.17 | ajakkes | needed to change that yesterday to be able to install dsl |
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| 12:41.37 | ajakkes | could have been the prob |
| 12:41.58 | weaseal | hi, I just installed debian and I got xfce4 setup fine. I also installed compiz but I can't get it to run. It complains that the ccp plugin is not installed. I followed the wiki's instructions on installing compiz but it's a no-go, can anyone give me a pointer? |
| 12:42.13 | Eulex | MunkeN, try the following: open up a terminal, issue setxkbmap se -model pc105 |
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| 12:42.35 | Ironmark | hello |
| 12:42.40 | sep | for running multiple windows servers on debian, vmware/xen/kvm/kqemu/virtualbox/too many options ? are there any good objective documents/papers/sites about the different solutions suiteabilliy for a given task ? |
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| 12:42.57 | MunkeN | Command not found, Eulex |
| 12:43.35 | Enforcer_ | hi, I want to install Debian using the minimal net install cd but the box only has a wifi card and I have to use that to install the system |
| 12:43.38 | Enforcer_ | how do I do this? |
| 12:44.34 | cast | hmm, i'm a bit confuzzled as to how one uses OCFS2. it allows multple hosts to rw to the same filesystem, right? does the block device backing that filesystem sit on a single computer? or could i have say, 10 hosts with 10 40GB partitions and have a single big ~400GB fs? |
| 12:44.37 | Eulex | MunkeN, umh, you're missing crucial xorg components. install xserver-xorg and you will get everything you need. |
| 12:45.17 | MunkeN | Okay, downloading. :) |
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| 12:47.55 | ajakkes | tnx for al the help |
| 12:48.39 | MunkeN | Ooh, works now. Thanks Eulex :) |
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| 12:49.19 | Delicates | wooohooo found it: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 12:49.25 | Eulex | MunkeN, yw. |
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| 12:50.30 | k1dugar | hello |
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| 12:50.43 | vjoe | hey |
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| 12:51.07 | k1dugar | I need to download debian potato install cd image. can someone tell where I can find it |
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| 12:52.42 | chops | k1dugar: Why are you installing potato? |
| 12:52.51 | k1dugar | the thing is that I have an old 486 with 16mb ram 2gb hdd,. I just want it to run and use rdesktop to connect to the server. I like debian and there is no other dist. |
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| 12:53.41 | enouf | sdn? ado? |
| 12:54.29 | asg | k1dugar: you should be able to run woody on that; I can't remember if potato even had rdesktop |
| 12:54.56 | streuner | asg: hi dude :-) |
| 12:55.16 | k1dugar | asg: will woody work on 16mb, I thought it needed 22mb min |
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| 12:55.37 | alturiak | it seems some of the potato repositories are still up and running, so http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-netinst/potato/files/?fl=d should be enough to get you started if you really need potato :) |
| 12:55.41 | streuner | 16 MB lol, that doesn't work well on woody... |
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| 12:55.58 | asg | k1dugar: it may need that for the install but should run on 16mb. I'm currently running etch on a small arm system that has 32Mb so I think woody should work. |
| 12:56.01 | asg | streuner: hiya |
| 12:56.20 | Eulex | k1dugar, perform the installation on another system. transfer the hdd. |
| 12:56.21 | streuner | had a 64 MB box (sarge) and only for server, no X |
| 12:56.25 | checkers | hi all, when I run `ls -alh`, I see this: `drwxr-xr-x 2 root 4.0K 2008-06-05 23:31 ./`. How can I make it show user *and* group? |
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| 12:56.49 | k1dugar | streuner: I know that lol. that's why I was thinking about potato |
| 12:56.51 | weaseal | anyone here running compiz in debian? |
| 12:56.57 | k1dugar | yes |
| 12:57.05 | k1dugar | weaseal: yes |
| 12:57.09 | weaseal | k1dugar, are you using sid? |
| 12:57.14 | asg | streuner: I still run a 64MB etch box running X |
| 12:57.18 | streuner | k1dugar: well, what arch? arm, as asg told you? |
| 12:57.24 | weaseal | k1dugar, i can't get it to work in lenny |
| 12:57.30 | k1dugar | weaseal: yes |
| 12:57.38 | weaseal | k1dugar, ah ok. i'll up to sid then |
| 12:57.55 | checkers | whoops, I had an alias with -G |
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| 12:58.00 | k1dugar | weaseal: dude try to run it on terminal and see what the problem |
| 12:58.02 | streuner | asg: that doesn't make much fun, it needed to boot knoppix with that box about 1/2 hour ;-) |
| 12:58.19 | weaseal | k1dugar, i did. it complains about ccp missing, and i can't find any lenny package for ccsm |
| 12:58.24 | weaseal | *ccp |
| 12:58.26 | asg | streuner: boots and runs just fine. |
| 12:58.40 | streuner | asg: its a WinChip (200 Mhz) |
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| 12:58.41 | asg | streuner: pII 300Mhz/64MB |
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| 12:59.14 | weaseal | plus i noticed the version of compiz in lenny is really old... |
| 12:59.34 | ArthurArchnix | currently I have to su - then s2ram - f to standby. I'd like to make a shortcut in xfce to do this, but I need to first get my user to be allowed to run /usr/sbin/s2ram -f ... I don't have sudo installed and would rather not if there's another method |
| 13:00.10 | Eulex | weaseal, just half a year old. the one in unstable will probably soon bop into testing |
| 13:00.17 | Eulex | !why is compiz not in testing |
| 13:00.17 | dpkg | compiz is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=compiz |
| 13:00.34 | weaseal | ok, well i'll downgrade to testing once it is ;) |
| 13:00.50 | streuner | k1dugar: why not get another box, boxes (x86) are really cheap second hand? |
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| 13:01.17 | asg | ArthurArchnix: create a wrapper script to do what you want, then configure sudo for the user to run the wrapper. Then, create a link that runs 'sudo wrapper'. |
| 13:01.35 | weaseal | Eulex, am I to understand that this will be in testing in 8 days? |
| 13:01.37 | ArthurArchnix | asg I could go that way. But I want to avoid install sudo if possible |
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| 13:02.27 | asg | ArthurArchnix: sudo isn't large, has many useful features, and will be a more secure way of doing what you want. Anything else, if it works, will be really hackish. |
| 13:02.32 | chops | ArthurArchnix: Why don't you want to install the package that solves your problem? If you really feel strongly about it you can make a setuid root perl script, or set s2ram setuid root. |
| 13:02.41 | ArthurArchnix | I can run .../shutdown -h now without sudo installed. Because members of powerdev are allowed to use it. Same with restart. |
| 13:03.00 | Skratz0r | cool.. |
| 13:03.01 | Eulex | weaseal, perhaps it will. there currently seems to be not much more that blocks it, aside from not being built on a few arches, but it will probably be in 8 days. but anyway, situations can change. but yeah, probably. |
| 13:03.17 | weaseal | i see. |
| 13:03.32 | weaseal | well, in the meantime, does anyone know how to get ccp on .6.3? |
| 13:03.34 | chops | weaseal: The 8 days are to see if there are problems with it -- it's not just an arbitrary waiting period before you're allowed to use it :-) |
| 13:03.40 | Eulex | what's ccp? |
| 13:03.45 | pasky | Hi! What part of the dpkg chain changes overwriting configuration files? dpkg-reconfigure or something else? How can I make apt-get upgrade either just keep all currently-installed versions without querying me or use configfiles from given location? |
| 13:03.46 | weaseal | chops, i understand |
| 13:03.52 | ArthurArchnix | chops: asg Nothing against it really. And I want to use the cleanest solution. But I was just curious if there was a good way to do it without installing sudo. |
| 13:03.53 | streuner | weaseal: ccp, .6.3? |
| 13:03.56 | weaseal | Eulex, a necessary component of compiz :P |
| 13:04.19 | Eulex | can you 'un-acrononymize' it? |
| 13:04.34 | weaseal | i dunno what it's full name is, that's what compiz calls it. |
| 13:04.45 | weaseal | just know that compiz complains it can't find plugin ccp. |
| 13:05.09 | Eulex | no idea, but do you have the plugins package installed? |
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| 13:05.17 | telmich | hello |
| 13:05.26 | herakles | Hi I use MySQL (debian package) for a busy web site on etch. If visits increased mysql drop connection and a few minutes later everything turns normal. I have to restart every time if I don't want to vait server to turn normal. I couldn't find any problem with MySQL. Is it possible that this could be an OS problem? |
| 13:05.31 | weaseal | Eulex, I have compiz-plugins yes |
| 13:05.52 | ArthurArchnix | hmm... this has got me thinking though. If I change group ownership of s2ram to powerdev, that should do the trick... |
| 13:05.52 | k1dugar | chops: asg: Eulex: Thanks :) |
| 13:05.52 | telmich | is it possible 2.6.24-1-amd64 ist still broken with some bnx2 cards? |
| 13:05.52 | telmich | (debian only) |
| 13:06.03 | asg | herakles: you are probably hitting the max clients connection. Check /etc/mysql/my.cnf and increase it if the logs do indicate that to be the case. |
| 13:06.04 | telmich | I just did aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && reboot -> nic away |
| 13:06.20 | asg | telmich: check the bts |
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| 13:08.29 | herakles | asg, I've already played with that. It's 500. And MySQL drop connection if visits increased to 200 |
| 13:08.45 | pete_ | telmich: i bet you got R300 poweredge? Download tg3 drivers from broadcom , compile and it will work |
| 13:09.28 | asg | herakles: is there anything in /var/log/syslog to indicate that mysql is having problems? How about /var/log/apache*/error.log? |
| 13:09.47 | pete_ | or if you are really using bnx2 you should still download those from broadcom. Have strugle little bit with this shit :D |
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| 13:10.16 | rhineheart_m | hello.. is it possible to play mp3 in debian server without GUI? |
| 13:10.17 | herakles | asg, Nothing, just nothing. I've checked every log file I think could be give a hint. But nothing about MySQL error or problem |
| 13:10.29 | pete_ | rhineheart_m: mpg123 |
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| 13:11.09 | eject_ck | rhineheart_m, mplayer, mpg321 ... |
| 13:11.16 | asg | herakles: you may want to check with #mysql or maybe #apache if nobody here has any hint. |
| 13:11.21 | weaseal | hmm, through googling i found out that compiz was broken in 'testing' about a week ago. is there any way for me to downgrade packages through dpkg or apt-get ? |
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| 13:11.35 | herakles | asg, Ok, thank you |
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| 13:12.03 | rhineheart_m | pete_, eject_ck thanks.. how is mpg123 be controlled? |
| 13:12.18 | pete_ | rhineheart_m: don't remember anymore, but it has pretty good docs |
| 13:12.42 | jelly | telmich: a coworker has come to me with a bnx2 + vlans issue on that same kernel (i386 distro) |
| 13:12.43 | ArthurArchnix | ok... I think I see what you guys mean by hackish solutions. I changed the group of s2ram from root to powerdev, of which my user is a part. Now when I call it it will start, but then give me errors like chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: Operation not permitted and VT_WAITACTIVE: Operation not permitted and Segmentation fault |
| 13:13.40 | telmich | pete_: wrong, it's dell blade 1955 ;-) |
| 13:13.45 | telmich | jelly: good to know |
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| 13:14.03 | telmich | asg: the strange thing is, that after netinstall it worked |
| 13:14.27 | telmich | now I am running 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 13:14.36 | ArthurArchnix | I'm kinda making this up as I go... acpi should be able to do this more elegantly right? But when I started looking into suspending my laptop all signs pointed to uswsusp |
| 13:15.38 | pasky | I might try again - how can I give apt-get upgrade config files to use automatically in case of config file conflicts? |
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| 13:16.55 | themill | ArthurArchnix: use sudo to allow specified users to actually run it as root; sudo s2ram |
| 13:17.26 | jelly | telmich: mine is a hp proliant 1U machine though, and I still believe it's a pebcak on the networking people side (wrong vlans allowed) |
| 13:17.30 | justin | ArthurArchnix: did you try just closing the lid? |
| 13:17.33 | cast | is ocfs2 not supporting mmap something i should worry about? is that going to have any impact on my run of the mill stuff i do |
| 13:17.57 | justin | cast: pretty sure ocfs2 is anything but run of the mill |
| 13:17.58 | telmich | jelly: hehe |
| 13:18.12 | magyar_ | hi, how can i get mi wireless card to work in kde (BCM4306)? |
| 13:18.36 | themill | magyar_: what kernel (uname -r) |
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| 13:20.03 | pete_ | magyar_: i can tell you right now that it one shitty task to complete.. |
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| 13:21.52 | magyar_ | themill, 2.6.24 (lenny0 |
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| 13:22.11 | magyar_ | pete_, what else is new |
| 13:22.25 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar_ about b43 |
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| 13:22.59 | themill | magyar_: check that you want b43 and not b43legacy |
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| 13:24.07 | magyar_ | themill, how can i tell? |
| 13:24.57 | magyar_ | themill, dmesg >> Broadcom 4360 WLAN found |
| 13:24.59 | microtux | . |
| 13:25.04 | themill | dpkg: magyar_ which b43 |
| 13:25.04 | dpkg | themill: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:25.08 | microtux | hi |
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| 13:25.13 | themill | dpkg: fuck you |
| 13:25.13 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 13:25.20 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar_ about which b43 |
| 13:25.37 | magyar_ | themill, which b43 << isnt returning anything |
| 13:26.14 | themill | dpkg: which b43 |
| 13:26.14 | dpkg | From the linuxwireless.org b43 page: "b43legacy should be used on all 4301 and 4303 cards. 4306 and 4309 cards with a MAC core revision of 4 or less should also use b43legacy. b43 should be used on all other cards." |
| 13:26.34 | cahoot | b43 in later kernels is said to support bcm4306 |
| 13:26.34 | cahoot | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#supported |
| 13:26.34 | cahoot | magyar_: maodprobe b43 and study dmesg |
| 13:26.35 | cahoot | magyar_:err modprobe b43 |
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| 13:26.54 | Skratz0r | Lol |
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| 13:27.27 | sephi77 | Putain jsuis sur le chan irc de debian : /name |
| 13:27.31 | sephi77 | Oops |
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| 13:28.07 | themill | dpkg: tell cahoot about about paste |
| 13:28.13 | themill | bah! |
| 13:28.21 | themill | dpkg: tell cahoot about paste |
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| 13:30.09 | magyar_ | themill, lenny has no "legacy" package only b43-fwcutter and bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 13:30.30 | eject_ck | can anybody recommend good tutor/manual for using ipsec-tools/racoon under Etch ? |
| 13:30.30 | magyar_ | i have the b43 module is loaded OK |
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| 13:31.40 | magyar_ | how do i get the wlan up and running, iwconfig shows wlan0_rename |
| 13:31.58 | magyar_ | where is the easy botton? |
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| 13:32.28 | cahoot | magyar_: you probably want to read the info in /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 13:32.36 | microtux | how can i see the dependency tree of a package ? |
| 13:33.37 | RichiH | hmm |
| 13:33.37 | themill | microtux: apt-cache depends |
| 13:33.45 | RichiH | is the bug interface having fun? |
| 13:33.59 | RichiH | yesterday and today, i had trouble accessing it |
| 13:34.10 | RichiH | i.e. apt-listbugs |
| 13:34.27 | microtux | themill, thanks |
| 13:34.29 | RichiH | alternatively, is some perl module broken, as i just upgraded some perl stuff |
| 13:34.53 | slxix | is a perl module broken? |
| 13:34.58 | slxix | . . . |
| 13:35.03 | themill | microtux: no worries |
| 13:37.04 | slxix | !guidelines |
| 13:37.05 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
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| 13:38.42 | liable | RichiH: perl has been causing a few headaches in lenny i think. |
| 13:38.47 | magyar_ | cahoot, # PCI device 0x14e4:0:4320 (bcm43xx) SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="$MAC ADDRESS", NAME="eth1" |
| 13:39.12 | magyar_ | cahoot, isnt the driver should be b43? |
| 13:39.19 | magyar_ | module i mean |
| 13:39.23 | themill | RichiH: perl 5.10 transition fun and games? |
| 13:39.28 | cahoot | magyar_: see the reference to the old module? change to b43 and remove any _rename |
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| 13:40.29 | lilferry | I need to reselect the video card driver for xorg, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only configures the keyboard |
| 13:40.51 | themill | lilferry: lenny? |
| 13:40.54 | lilferry | yes |
| 13:41.09 | lilferry | I guess it's broken |
| 13:41.14 | cast | night |
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| 13:41.16 | themill | lilferry: welcome to xorg 7.3 that doesn't need a config file :) |
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| 13:41.48 | themill | lilferry: I *think* the idea is that if you modprobe the correct kernel module, then x will pick the right driver. I've not gone there yet though. |
| 13:42.23 | RichiH | liable: unstable |
| 13:42.42 | RichiH | themill: apparently |
| 13:43.07 | RichiH | on the plus side, perl 5.10 has proper warnings for undefined variables |
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| 13:43.22 | RichiH | which goes a long way towards making me happy |
| 13:43.35 | magyar_ | cahoot, there is no "any_rename" in that |
| 13:43.40 | magyar_ | file |
| 13:43.45 | themill | RichiH: interesting. In what way are they better? |
| 13:43.53 | themill | magyar_: can you pastebin the z25 file for us? |
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| 13:44.11 | cahoot | magyar_: no wlan0_rename ? |
| 13:44.20 | magyar_ | the mill one moment I wiped it and rebooting |
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| 13:44.33 | themill | that'll work too... |
| 13:44.34 | magyar_ | cahoot, nope, it comes up as eth1 |
| 13:44.52 | RichiH | themill: it tells you the name of the variable |
| 13:45.04 | cahoot | magyar_: ok |
| 13:45.44 | themill | RichiH: ahh... fantastic! no more splitting up a line into several print statements on the preceding lines to try to work out which one was uninitialised ;) I like! |
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| 13:46.15 | RichiH | themill: yep |
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| 13:46.25 | RichiH | single most useful feature of perl 5.10 :p |
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| 13:47.00 | themill | RichiH: well that's another reason for me to move to lenny from etch.... (etch + a serious load of backports + etchnhalf is another reason!) |
| 13:47.18 | Skratz0r | What are the non free propietary drivers in debian called? |
| 13:47.27 | doklop | i deinstalled psa-qmail with dpkg --remove... now i cant reinstall it with apt-get install? has someone an idea? |
| 13:47.29 | Skratz0r | Like, flash, or whatever.. |
| 13:47.33 | Skratz0r | uninstalled* |
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| 13:47.46 | themill | dpkg: tell Skratz0r about search |
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| 13:48.26 | Skratz0r | themill; do you ever answer questions yourself? lol.. |
| 13:48.42 | linxaddict | doklop: what do you get in terminal after "apt-get install psa-qmail" ? |
| 13:48.54 | themill | Skratz0r: not if I know that dpkg has the answer already. Damn... maybe I should teach that one to dpkg too... |
| 13:49.13 | themill | dpkg: Skratz0r adobe flash ; install java |
| 13:49.14 | dpkg | themill: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:49.18 | themill | bah! |
| 13:49.24 | themill | Skratz0r: /msg dpkg adobe flash ; /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:49.25 | magyar_ | themill, cahoot , now i get # PCI device 0x14e4:0:4320 (b43) SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="$MAC ADDRESS", ATTR{type}=="1", NAME="wlan0" |
| 13:49.40 | RichiH | themill: running unstable exclusively, i do not have these problems :) |
| 13:49.42 | microtux | i have a debian repo wich does not contain non-free packages; how could i add them to my repo |
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| 13:49.49 | doklop | linxaddict, i have a dutch linux version but it says something like "packet not available, possible packet is missing, old or not available from source"... |
| 13:49.54 | Skratz0r | themill; thanks. :P |
| 13:49.56 | magyar_ | now do i just plug something in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:49.58 | themill | magyar_: sounds promising |
| 13:49.59 | RichiH | but a broken apt-listbugs kinda sucks when running unstable |
| 13:50.00 | asg | microtux: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 13:50.27 | microtux | !tell microtux non-free |
| 13:50.51 | Skratz0r | It was removed?! |
| 13:50.52 | Skratz0r | D: |
| 13:51.09 | themill | Skratz0r: it's an unmaintainable piece of shit, that's why |
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| 13:51.30 | Skratz0r | hm |
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| 13:51.45 | linxaddict | doklop: psa-qmail is correct name of this package? i haven't got it in repo |
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| 13:52.05 | doklop | linxaddict, yes it is... its a repo of plesk (admin panel) |
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| 13:52.28 | ndee | hi there, I wanna backup server FOO and server BAR. I also wanna backup the whole /etc/ directory. Now, with which user shall I make the backup? A special backup user or with root? |
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| 13:52.37 | lilferry | hm, I just cant get the ati driver to function properly |
| 13:52.40 | microtux | asg, i want to add them to my repo not in my sources.list, |
| 13:52.50 | wols_ | lilferry: what ati chip? |
| 13:52.52 | magyar_ | themill, so how do i browse wireless networks, is there a kde utility? |
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| 13:53.01 | asg | microtux: then add them |
| 13:53.08 | wols_ | microtux: you've been told AGES ago what to use |
| 13:53.14 | themill | magyar_: knetworkmanager is good for that. |
| 13:53.15 | lilferry | wols_: hd 3850 |
| 13:53.21 | wols_ | lilferry: etch? |
| 13:53.25 | lilferry | lenny |
| 13:53.36 | themill | magyar_: you need to be in the netdev group for it to work |
| 13:53.37 | wols_ | then it hould work. what does xorg.0.log say? |
| 13:53.38 | stew | microtux: man sources.list |
| 13:53.53 | microtux | wols_, sorry, i was unable to do it, so i returned to the channel to learn more ; :) |
| 13:53.59 | lilferry | wols_: xorg works fine, and it's also using the fglrx driver |
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| 13:54.09 | themill | microtux: you're trying to make a local mirror that mixes debian's main and non-free into one single repo, is that right? |
| 13:54.12 | wols_ | lilferry: so what is the problem? |
| 13:54.12 | magyar_ | themill, in lenny there is no such package |
| 13:54.19 | linxaddict | doklop: look here: http://www.parallels.com/en/download/plesk8#debian |
| 13:54.19 | lilferry | but when im browsing websites and I scroll, its lagging like hell |
| 13:54.29 | wols_ | lilferry: glxinfo |
| 13:54.52 | themill | magyar_: the package name is network-manager-kde; the command is knetworkmanager... |
| 13:55.01 | wols_ | linxaddict: ask plse. it's their software |
| 13:55.06 | microtux | themill, yes, |
| 13:55.22 | microtux | themill, i created the local mirror but without non-free, now i want to add them |
| 13:55.38 | themill | microtux: ahh... that's a rather different thing to what people have been telling you to do. How have you created the local mirror |
| 13:56.08 | microtux | themill, using reprepro |
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| 13:57.12 | lilferry | wols_: I have fglrx-glx installed, however I can't use glxinfo |
| 13:57.12 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, how do i change the default jre used by my debian lenny ? |
| 13:57.17 | themill | microtux: aiui, you add "non-free" to the list of "Components:" in /path/to/repo/conf/distributions |
| 13:57.23 | doklop | linxaddict, i really only need that one package psa-qmail... |
| 13:57.27 | lilferry | wols_: comand not found.. |
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| 13:57.35 | themill | microtux: you probably also need contrib too. Components: main non-free contrib |
| 13:57.42 | MrBrush | how to get the count of results you have from a cmd in linux |
| 13:57.42 | Eulex | deadbeef, update-alternatives --config java |
| 13:57.47 | MrBrush | ls -la | grep count or sO? |
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| 13:57.59 | Eulex | wc -l |
| 13:57.59 | microtux | themill, contrib is already added |
| 13:58.00 | themill | deadbeef, Eulex: update-java-alternatives |
| 13:58.06 | Eulex | oh |
| 13:58.34 | deadbeef | thanks a lot Eulex, themill |
| 13:58.39 | themill | Eulex: update-java-alternatives fixes up a few other things too to keep everything pointing to the same jre |
| 13:59.05 | microtux | themill, but if i add non-free in in /path/to/repo/conf/distributions file; i think that i have to download non-free *.deb and include them in the repo; no ? |
| 13:59.24 | wols_ | !tell lilferry about installit |
| 13:59.33 | themill | microtux: well, you'll need to stick packages into your repo in exactly the same way as you normally do |
| 13:59.49 | Eulex | themill, yeah, saw that. it didn't seem to update javac, though. any reason? |
| 13:59.57 | themill | microtux: are you sure something like apt-proxy wouldn't be better for you? |
| 14:00.00 | themill | Eulex: nfi |
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| 14:00.57 | microtux | themill, well, hhmm i don't know what is apt-proxy, i'll take a look on it |
| 14:01.15 | themill | dpkg: tell microtux about apt-proxy |
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| 14:01.44 | microtux | themill, ok, it is clear, i have to edit a file, download *.deb , then add them as i normally do, isn't it ? |
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| 14:01.56 | lilferry | wols_: Ok, I got it installed now. What do I look for in the output |
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| 14:02.10 | linxaddict | doklop: you can get this package by downloading it from this site: http://autoinstall.plesk.com/PSA_8.1.1/dist-deb-Debian-3.1-i386/base/ |
| 14:02.13 | themill | Eulex: it updates javac for me. Perhaps you only have one jdk installed? |
| 14:02.26 | Eulex | I have both sun's and gcj's |
| 14:02.35 | themill | microtux: I believe so. |
| 14:03.09 | themill | Eulex: odd then. java5 or java6? (I have java6 from bpo) and with -t (test mode) it said it would set javac for me |
| 14:03.09 | microtux | themill, ok, just one question, |
| 14:03.19 | Eulex | themill, java6 |
| 14:03.20 | asg | microtux: you may also want to look at approx as well, it's more stable than apt-proxy |
| 14:03.42 | wols_ | linxaddict: direct rendering |
| 14:03.55 | Eulex | themill, http://pastebin.ca/1040401 |
| 14:04.07 | linxaddict | wols_: direct rendering? |
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| 14:04.44 | wols_ | linxaddict: you can don't find it, pastebin its output |
| 14:05.01 | themill | Eulex: you're specifying jre; javac is part of the jdk not the jre |
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| 14:06.51 | magyar_ | themill, cahoot thanks guys, much appreciated. One last question. Do i need to place anything in "/etc/network/interfaces" ? |
| 14:07.07 | themill | magyar_: if you're going to use networkmanager stuff, then no. |
| 14:07.11 | wols_ | magyar_: WEP or WPA? |
| 14:07.31 | magyar_ | themill, roger, thank you |
| 14:07.37 | Eulex | themill, oh... well, the man page doesn't say anything about that you can set the jdk to be used using it, but I guess I would use --jdk then? (even though it's undocumented) |
| 14:07.52 | magyar_ | wols_, no clue, i guess it depends on wireless networks |
| 14:07.57 | themill | Eulex: don't specify anything |
| 14:08.00 | Eulex | nope, doesn't recognize --jdk |
| 14:08.01 | Eulex | ah |
| 14:08.08 | themill | Eulex: update-java-alternatives -t -s java-6-sun |
| 14:08.57 | Eulex | themill, that's it, it worked. pebkac. |
| 14:09.25 | themill | Eulex: :) |
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| 14:12.23 | lilferry | wols_: I've got glxinfo installed, what now? |
| 14:13.15 | wols_ | lilferry: if you can't find it, pastebin its whole output |
| 14:13.41 | microtux | asg, themill, ok it is clear , i don't think that approx or apt-proxy is usefull in my case |
| 14:13.52 | microtux | themill, just one question |
| 14:14.16 | eject_ck | What tool can help me debug IO for one executable (I need find what file it reads during startup). |
| 14:14.20 | microtux | themill, i don't know from where i can download non-free debs |
| 14:14.24 | asg | eject_ck: strace |
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| 14:15.24 | dbmoodb1 | !moo |
| 14:15.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 14:15.28 | dbmoodb1 | yes i know i'm sorry for doing this |
| 14:15.31 | dbmoodb1 | i have a reason tho |
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| 14:16.36 | eject_ck | ash, thanks! |
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| 14:19.29 | th1 | how can I change the default of "mesg n" to "mesg y" for all users so they can see messages from the NUT UPS daemon? |
| 14:19.41 | th1 | or should I let upsmon run as root? |
| 14:20.54 | jelly | th1: mesg y by default is prone to abuse, esp. if you have mutually distrusting users |
| 14:21.23 | jelly | th1: but if you want it, why not add it do the system-wide bashrc |
| 14:21.27 | th1 | jelly, but I don't have that. Apparently the default is mesg y for normal users but as soon as I'm root it's 'n'. I just want to make sure that I can see the messages from upsmon |
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| 14:21.45 | jelly | ok, so add it to root's ~/.bashrc |
| 14:22.07 | jelly | th1: or never log in as root, use su instead |
| 14:22.24 | th1 | ok I can do that. but maybe it's better to let upsmon run as root? then everyone will see it even if they put mesg n.. and I don't log in as root, I sudo and it gets changed to n. |
| 14:23.08 | th1 | hehe, maybe because root's .profile has "mesg n" :) |
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| 14:24.49 | linxaddict | does anybody know some e-books about programming in linux? |
| 14:25.03 | asg | linxaddict: oreilly.com/openbooks |
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| 14:25.21 | linxaddict | asg: thanks |
| 14:25.44 | asg | linxaddict: there's also a ton of stuff at tldp.org |
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| 14:26.48 | linxaddict | asg: i'll check that site, thanks |
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| 14:31.29 | parsajax | hi |
| 14:31.40 | parsajax | is there any one help me about courier and vchkpw on debian etch? |
| 14:32.21 | mrglinux | parsajax sure me :-D |
| 14:32.41 | parsajax | :D |
| 14:33.07 | mrglinux | parsajax: you must install pidgin first .. |
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| 14:33.24 | mrglinux | :P |
| 14:33.25 | microtux | do debian DVD's include non-free packages ? |
| 14:33.36 | Eulex | uh |
| 14:33.38 | parsajax | it is web server |
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| 14:33.56 | weaseal | is firefox3/iceweasel3 in packages anywhere and if so what name does it go by for apt-get ? |
| 14:33.59 | Eulex | mrglinux, I do not believe he means the courier messenger software... |
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| 14:34.13 | kunwon1 | firefox 3 is in RC status, so probably no packages |
| 14:34.31 | Eulex | 3.0rc1 is in experimental |
| 14:34.32 | mrglinux | Eulex you're right.. but i know him and i waned hade some kiding with him.. np |
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| 14:34.39 | mrglinux | go ahead |
| 14:35.00 | Eulex | and the package name is 'iceweasel' |
| 14:36.17 | magyar_ | i have an issue with spash image on grub. "update-grub" sees the spash but I get an error on boot "Failed to read splash image ((hd0,1)//grub/splash.xpm.gz) Press any key |
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| 14:37.05 | weaseal | Eulex, experimental is the name of a repository i take it? |
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| 14:37.46 | Eulex | !experimental |
| 14:37.47 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:38.34 | parsajax | i have a problem by courier-imap and authvchkpw on debian etch - is there anyone have experience in this base |
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| 14:41.12 | wols_ | !tell parsajax about anyone |
| 14:41.49 | parsajax | please help me :(( |
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| 14:42.26 | wols_ | !tell parsajax about smart questions |
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| 14:52.46 | webPragmatis1 | How do you overwrite a directory? |
| 14:53.04 | justin | webPragmatis1: you can't |
| 14:53.17 | webPragmatis1 | huh? |
| 14:53.35 | esaym | hello, howdy |
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| 14:55.01 | SPF | webPragmatis1: if you try to overwrite it, the directory you try to move will be created as a subdirectory in the target directory |
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| 14:55.18 | esaym | I run a couple of email servers with postfix. Currently all root email just goes to /dev/null because every spammer knows that any linux email server has a root user. I am wondering what is a good way to have all my system emails get delivered to a different user so that away I can still monitor everything and not get spam. |
| 14:56.04 | webPragmatis1 | SPF: I tried to do mv sites-available /etc/apache2/ |
| 14:56.22 | mquin | alias root to something else (good practice anyway, so root can't fill up your disk with mail), don't accept external mail to root |
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| 14:56.36 | SPF | try mv sites-available/* /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 14:56.55 | SPF | I have to go, bbl |
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| 14:59.11 | esaym | mquin: So I have an optionof not accepting external mail to root? |
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| 15:00.05 | mquin | should do, but someone else will have to advise you as to how to do it with postfix |
| 15:02.07 | esaym | hmm |
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| 15:12.07 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:12.08 | dpkg | i guess qotd89 is <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
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| 15:14.41 | jelly | !test |
| 15:14.41 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:15.16 | asg | !pork chops |
| 15:15.16 | dpkg | porks chops from behind. |
| 15:15.25 | chops | Hey! |
| 15:15.29 | chops | Stop that! |
| 15:15.45 | bsund | I'm using swedish keymap which is really crappy for vim or coding in general, is there anyway to change it only for one application? |
| 15:16.12 | madk | i plugged an other keyboard to my pc, but it doesnt work. both are ps/2, one is connected directly in the ps/2 port, the other is connected with an usb to ps/2 adapter. what do i have to do that the keyboard works? |
| 15:16.54 | bsund | madk, dont you usually need to reboot with ps/2? |
| 15:17.22 | Juhbt | Where should the symlink /usr/src/linux point to? Is it linux-source-2.6.25, linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686 or linux-kbuild-2.6.25. Also, when I try to build the nvidia driver the nvidia .run binary says my kernel is a Xen kernel and it wont build. Any advice? |
| 15:17.34 | Eulex | bsund, no, sorry |
| 15:18.09 | madk | i did that already |
| 15:18.41 | madk | bsund, since one is connected with the usb-adapter, i assume i dont need to reboot. but i rebooted already |
| 15:19.48 | stew | Juhbt: the /urs/src/linux symlink shouldn't exist |
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| 15:21.18 | chops | Is there a SQL operation that can combine results from multiple rows into a single string of (for example) comma-separate values? |
| 15:21.25 | chops | *comma-separated |
| 15:21.49 | Juhbt | stew, ok |
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| 15:25.49 | madk | do i have to configure the keyboards somehow? i got them working now, but if i hit backspace, it repeats the backspace in an endless loop :/ |
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| 15:28.15 | stew | chops: afaik you'd have to either use temporary tables or a stored proc |
| 15:28.33 | chops | stew: k |
| 15:29.50 | stew | chops: looks like postgres now has an 'aggregate' which maybe does it? |
| 15:29.56 | weaseal | what is glib called in debian so i can apt-get it? |
| 15:30.10 | chops | weaseal: apt-cache search libglib |
| 15:30.33 | stew | chops: which db are you using? |
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| 15:33.10 | lilferry | okay ,I dont understand this. I installed the fglrx package(s), but the module doesnt seem to be installed |
| 15:33.15 | weaseal | what is the syntax for adding source URIs to sources.list? |
| 15:33.21 | lilferry | modprobe -l |grep fglrx gives me nothing |
| 15:33.28 | weaseal | lilferry, modprobe fglrx ? |
| 15:33.43 | lilferry | lsmod |grep fglrx also gives me nothing |
| 15:33.47 | lilferry | yes, I've done that. |
| 15:34.12 | lilferry | FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
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| 15:35.11 | lilferry | I got: fglrx-control, fglrx-driver, fglrx-kernel-src, fglrx-glx |
| 15:35.37 | weaseal | ...reboot? |
| 15:35.40 | weaseal | shrugs |
| 15:35.54 | lilferry | I dont think that will help |
| 15:36.01 | lilferry | seeing as the module doesn't exist |
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| 15:36.50 | lilferry | oh what the hell, it's worth a try. |
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| 15:38.59 | jelly | !info qmail |
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| 15:40.23 | lilferry | reboot didn't help.. |
| 15:40.52 | lilferry | I guess the fglrx driver package is broken. |
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| 15:43.43 | lilferry | hmm, /usr/src/linux is still pointing to my old kernel source |
| 15:44.52 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.02 | hark | lilferry: did you build the kernel module? |
| 15:45.24 | lilferry | I just installed the fglrx driver package |
| 15:45.26 | lilferry | that's all |
| 15:45.40 | lilferry | I assumed the build was done automatically |
| 15:46.07 | chops | stew: mysql |
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| 15:46.32 | stew | chops: dunno then |
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| 15:46.54 | hark | lilferry: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 15:47.01 | chops | stew: I'm actually just going to worry about it in code -- the code I'm trying to refactor has this sort of stupid "make cartesian product with outer join, then recombine row results with .=" behavior, but there's nothing actually incorrect about it that I can see |
| 15:47.39 | hark | lilferry: or read the readme in /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src |
| 15:48.36 | stew | chops: i'm fixing somewhat of a converse problem right now, and getting rid of some comma separated values int he database that were being split by the application :) |
| 15:51.05 | th1 | I installed a 2.6.25.4 kernel image that I'd made with kpkg, but it didn't run update-initramfs automatically, what gives? it wouldn't boot until I booted with the old kernel and ran update-initramfs manually.. |
| 15:51.24 | stew | th1: did you add --initrd to the make-kpkg invocation? |
| 15:51.32 | lilferry | hark: I already have sources.list properly set up with non-free and contrib |
| 15:51.37 | th1 | stew, no.. |
| 15:51.42 | th1 | I didn't know I had to do that |
| 15:51.43 | lilferry | I know that all the packages have been installed |
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| 15:51.45 | th1 | now I do :) |
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| 15:56.24 | chops | stew: That's a much worse problem to have :-/ |
| 15:57.03 | stew | how does I normalized databases |
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| 15:57.36 | chops | stew: i iz good with SQLs |
| 15:59.23 | hark | lilferry: you still have to build it |
| 15:59.24 | chops | stew: Then of course there was the missing key that made the filtered results from the table take 18,000 times longer to generate (no exaggeration) than just dumping the whole table |
| 15:59.52 | chops | stew: O(m*n) in the number of rows in two large tables it was |
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| 16:12.18 | ignotus | hello, I need software to remove all exif metadata from images, can you recommend me something? thanks |
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| 16:13.02 | hoxu | ignotus, exiv2 rm |
| 16:13.08 | ignotus | hoxu: thank you |
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| 16:14.08 | shyam_k | hi in my lap,at first,wont respond to they keyboard shortcut to change the keyboard layout.. but if i remove and add anyone layout in the keyboard preference then it will behave normally.. what could be the problem? |
| 16:14.28 | shyam_k | s/they/the/ |
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| 16:17.05 | shyam_k | i have the panel applet to change the keyboard layout.. for the first time even if the keyboard indicator shows a different layout,it will continue to be english,until i remove and re-add english |
| 16:18.12 | Eulex | shyam_k, what keyboard shortcut is set up to change between them? |
| 16:18.46 | P-K | which etch kernel image will work best with an old AMD K6 proc? |
| 16:19.01 | P-K | do you think the AMD K6 will work fine with this linux-image-2.6-686? |
| 16:19.02 | wols_ | 686 |
| 16:19.09 | defrysk | jes |
| 16:19.10 | P-K | cool |
| 16:19.13 | P-K | thanks |
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| 16:20.48 | _Shade_ | hi there |
| 16:21.35 | _Shade_ | i am looking for someone who can help me with internet connection sharing between windows and linux |
| 16:21.46 | rahul | aptitude install ipmasq |
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| 16:22.08 | rahul | dhcp-server dnsmasq, too |
| 16:22.36 | _Shade_ | rahul: can't do this... i have no net access from there |
| 16:22.55 | rahul | that makes no sense... |
| 16:23.04 | dokma | OK guys. I've created the partitions on my new barracuda. One for ext3 and one for swap. I created the filesystems. Now I need to copy the files from hda1 to sda1. What is the correct way to do this? |
| 16:23.12 | _Shade_ | rahul: huh? |
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| 16:24.37 | rahul | _Shade_: how can you not have internet access on your router? |
| 16:24.46 | rahul | plug it into the internet connection and set it up |
| 16:25.31 | rahul | ugh, why am I in this channel? |
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| 16:29.00 | keith4 | dokma: boot from something else, and use dump / restore? |
| 16:29.37 | keith4 | or, you could use cp, or dd, or cat |
| 16:29.40 | keith4 | there are lots of choices |
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| 16:30.57 | wols_ | _Shade_: apt-get install ipmasq dnsmasq |
| 16:31.01 | keith4 | I would probably do something like "cd /mnt/sda1; dump -0 -f - /mnt/hda1 | restore rf -", but that's just my opinion, and someone will probably point out why it's a bad idea |
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| 16:31.09 | keith4 | dokma: ^^ |
| 16:32.26 | SlayerXP | you should use dump on a read-write filesystem |
| 16:32.37 | SlayerXP | you **shouldn't** use dump on a read-write filesystem |
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| 16:32.53 | SlayerXP | not unless the fs supports snapshots, anyway |
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| 16:37.24 | H2S04 | Hello |
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| 16:38.49 | H2S04 | Does anybody know of a music/audio player that supports bookmarking? |
| 16:39.16 | H2S04 | Something like the rockbox firmware for DAP's where you can bookmark a point in a song / audio book for later. |
| 16:39.44 | webPragmatis1 | I have a group named developer that i have changed to developers but some of the files are still owned by users in the group "developer" |
| 16:39.48 | webPragmatis1 | how can i fix this? |
| 16:40.01 | H2S04 | chown :D |
| 16:40.11 | Eulex | you added a new group instead of renaming it? |
| 16:40.14 | webPragmatis1 | what if they are like /proc ? |
| 16:40.21 | H2S04 | chown -R developer folder you want to change |
| 16:40.38 | webPragmatis1 | Eulex: yea i think maybe someone did |
| 16:40.40 | H2S04 | why would anything in proc belong to them? |
| 16:40.54 | webPragmatis1 | no clue |
| 16:40.57 | mns | Is there some sort of gtk theme creator type application ? |
| 16:41.04 | webPragmatis1 | i did find -group developer |
| 16:41.08 | H2S04 | chown -R devlopers files_or_directory_to_change |
| 16:41.33 | webPragmatis1 | H2S04: no i would have to do a find and then chown |
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| 16:42.28 | webPragmatis1 | find . -group developer -print0 | xargs -o chown developers |
| 16:42.29 | webPragmatis1 | maybe? |
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| 16:42.43 | webPragmatis1 | -0 |
| 16:43.01 | Eulex | should the files be owned by developers:developers? |
| 16:43.18 | webPragmatis1 | no |
| 16:43.23 | webPragmatis1 | hrm |
| 16:43.43 | webPragmatis1 | would i have to find for each user? |
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| 16:44.10 | webPragmatis1 | find . -group developer -user thisuser -print0 | xargs -o chown thisuser:developers |
| 16:44.34 | webPragmatis1 | unless there's a way to change just the group without altering the user |
| 16:44.45 | Eulex | no, you can change just what group is owning it |
| 16:45.16 | Eulex | chgrp |
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| 16:46.47 | webPragmatis1 | ok cool |
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| 16:48.20 | webPragmatis1 | how can i find more information though about why a process (and also some pear temp files) are being used by that group/user |
| 16:48.44 | webPragmatis1 | or wiat hrm i have an idea |
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| 16:50.11 | webPragmatis1 | ok no it was because i was logged in as that user/group.... wtf |
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| 16:51.08 | SlayerXP | webPragmatis1: lsod |
| 16:51.10 | SlayerXP | err lsof even |
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| 16:54.15 | webPragmatis1 | ok thanks guys |
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| 16:58.13 | webPragmatis1 | how do you chown a symlink? |
| 16:58.18 | webPragmatis1 | without following it |
| 16:58.36 | SlayerXP | webPragmatis1: chown on a symlink is meaningless |
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| 16:58.41 | asg | webPragmatis1: symlinks don't have owners |
| 16:58.57 | Sling | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9607.1/0039.html |
| 16:59.05 | Sling | quote from linus himself |
| 16:59.23 | webPragmatis1 | why does it list a owner when i ls -al |
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| 16:59.38 | Sling | that is the owner of the file where it is pointing to |
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| 17:00.01 | Sling | but that could be different per distro |
| 17:00.01 | webPragmatis1 | that's what i would think but that's not true |
| 17:00.27 | Sling | ah for debian its just root:root by default |
| 17:00.59 | Sling | or maybe the account used for creating the symlink |
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| 17:01.15 | webPragmatis1 | if i rm symlink it will just delete the link right? |
| 17:01.19 | Eulex | yes |
| 17:01.49 | Sling | creating account it is, just tested it :) |
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| 17:02.38 | rcbarnes | Without getting into a debate about the merits for/against these versions, where can I find out whether FF3 or KDE4 will make it into the Lenny release? |
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| 17:04.31 | rcbarnes | I mean, the memory optimizations alone make FF3 well worth the switch. . . :-P |
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| 17:06.11 | webPragmatis1 | how can i make files in a directory automatically get -rw-rw-r-- status and be owned by the group a user is in? |
| 17:08.21 | webPragmatis1 | i mean because i have users logging in with sftp that are creating files as themselves so others end up unable to access the files |
| 17:08.37 | asg | webPragmatis1: set a proper umask in their environment |
| 17:08.43 | webPragmatis1 | oh |
| 17:08.44 | chops | webPragmatis1: Set the umask in the sftp configuration, and setgid in the sftp directory |
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| 17:08.57 | chops | webPragmatis1: chmod -R g+s |
| 17:09.24 | webPragmatis1 | what's +s ? |
| 17:09.29 | sephi77 | Do the lenny repositories include a version of compiz fusion ? Because I can find some compiz fusion plugins, but not compiz-fusion-gnome |
| 17:09.53 | chops | webPragmatis1: g+s is setgid, u+s is setuid |
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| 17:14.20 | visof | i have this error: |
| 17:14.22 | visof | error: X11 libraries not found, |
| 17:14.31 | visof | what should i install ? |
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| 17:14.41 | visof | what is the name of the packages? |
| 17:14.46 | Eulex | !wayc visof |
| 17:14.46 | dpkg | visof: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 17:14.59 | webPragmatis1 | so the umask should be 0027 ? |
| 17:15.23 | visof | Eulex i want to install xmonad that i don't find |
| 17:15.34 | webPragmatis1 | er wait uhg i don't get this binary |
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| 17:16.24 | Eulex | visof, backport it, it's in testing and unstable. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:16.43 | madk | is there an OpenOffice channel? |
| 17:16.50 | rcbarnes | madk: nope |
| 17:16.54 | rcbarnes | debian. :-D |
| 17:17.09 | madk | rcbarnes, maybe anywhere else ^^ |
| 17:17.18 | rcbarnes | madk: #openoffice.org |
| 17:17.19 | Eulex | maddler, #openoffice.org |
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| 17:17.31 | madk | on freenode? |
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| 17:18.11 | madk | k |
| 17:18.13 | madk | thanks |
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| 17:18.34 | vindex | hi, is it possible with aptitude to "downgrade' an installation from unstable to testing ? |
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| 17:19.10 | chops | vindex: Possible but not generally recommended |
| 17:19.33 | Eulex | and not straightforward either |
| 17:19.38 | chops | !tell vindex about partial downgrade |
| 17:19.52 | vindex | actually I'd like to only downgrade 'gnome' and its dependencies |
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| 17:19.57 | vindex | to testing |
| 17:21.16 | vindex | oki |
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| 17:35.22 | webPragmatis1 | chops: so the setgid makes files created in the directory become owned by that speciific group... and then changing the umask is for setting the permissions.... does the umask just have to be set in the bash profile? (does openssh read that?) |
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| 17:39.02 | angel__ | hi |
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| 17:40.02 | th1 | webPragmatis1, openssh just starts the shell, the shell reads the normal startup files |
| 17:40.12 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 17:41.22 | richard_ | hi |
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| 17:41.38 | Mazingaro | please is anyone registered to debian-sparc@lists.debian.org? I did the subscription procedure, but my messages won't be published at all (no email error from smtp server) |
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| 17:42.29 | webPragmatis1 | th1: ok cool |
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| 17:44.59 | kgod | In Iceweasel, my hotkey has just changed from ctrl to alt. How do you change it back? |
| 17:45.50 | stew | Mazingaro: try asking on #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
| 17:46.47 | kgod | ui.key.accelKey? |
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| 17:47.13 | dabreegster | My friend has a 500GB external usb drive on which she wants to put lenny. I tried this for her a few weeks ago and got stumped at booting into th new system. the BIOS let her boot off usb, but grub halted after stage 1.5 with error 2 - cant access file/directory. The menu.lst and device.map looks fine. |
| 17:47.15 | dutchfish | Is there a way to let crtl + and crtl - work in every window, i am installing a debian system for a disabled person? |
| 17:47.41 | webPragmatis1 | stage 1.5 and error 2 |
| 17:47.45 | webPragmatis1 | oh noews |
| 17:48.14 | dabreegster | webPragmatis1: i messed around with the super grub bootdisk thing too, but it couldnt find the debian install |
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| 17:49.36 | superfirelord42 | dutchfish: i think there are some accessiblily apps in gnome. there may be a short key for an on-screen magnifier |
| 17:50.19 | n3kl | I just restarted X a minute ago and now I am getting the xorg.log message that it cannot find the font fixed. What could be the issue? |
| 17:50.48 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 17:50.48 | dpkg | i heard fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 17:52.27 | n3kl | I do have the xfonts-base installed, and I have just reinstalled it. I do, however, get a message when the package installs that says /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc is a missing directory, which is true. Don't know if that means anything |
| 17:52.46 | dutchfish | superfirelord42, ok, thanks |
| 17:53.08 | n3kl | the package xorg is also installed. And it was up and running just a minute ago |
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| 17:54.21 | NinjaMan | when do you really require a xfonts server? |
| 17:54.37 | valdyn | NinjaMan: never? |
| 17:54.59 | valdyn | NinjaMan: or when you want to have one computer providing fonts for more than 1 |
| 17:55.22 | valdyn | NinjaMan: but no one needs this really |
| 17:55.58 | NinjaMan | valdyn: ok thanks, this is what I thought. just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a trick |
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| 17:59.35 | Bushmills | n3kl: that's a warning "removing missing font path". nothing to worry about,. |
| 18:00.43 | n3kl | Bushmills: I know that one, but that is not what is happening. I am getting a fatal error on X startup that says missing font fixed. |
| 18:00.44 | Bushmills | NinjaMan: not "require" but if on your network are several X servers, they all can use fonts from the server. allows more central fonts administration |
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| 18:01.08 | Bushmills | NinjaMan: install font to one machine, have it available on all. |
| 18:01.22 | Bushmills | n3kl: oh. different one. |
| 18:01.25 | n3kl | Error message is : could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 18:02.00 | NinjaMan | Bushmills I understand, thanks, only 1 linux machine here, so not required |
| 18:02.02 | n3kl | Where are the fonts stored? /usr/lib .. ? |
| 18:02.30 | Bushmills | n3kl: i remember that one from a while back. also having had xfonts-base. i usually install all fonts i can get my fingers on :) (not foreign fonts i have no use for, of course) |
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| 18:03.02 | Bushmills | reasoning "having a font still allows to not use it..." |
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| 18:03.34 | jelly | !fixed |
| 18:03.35 | dpkg | somebody said fixed font was if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 18:03.35 | n3kl | I usually forget to install that when I am building an X box, but this machine has been running for over a year and never had a problem with X. NO I restart the machine and it can't open the font |
| 18:03.51 | n3kl | jelly: I have both of those packages installed, and reinstalled |
| 18:04.33 | jelly | n3kl: can you run "DISPLAY=:0 xset q"? |
| 18:04.59 | Bushmills | NinjaMan: with gnome and kde can have a similar thing by symlinking /home/<user>/.fonts to an nfs dir, containing fonts. |
| 18:05.16 | n3kl | jelly: I could if X was running. |
| 18:05.19 | n3kl | but its not |
| 18:05.50 | Bushmills | when used consequently, the symlink can be past of /etc/skel, to be copied into home dirs of new users |
| 18:05.54 | jelly | n3kl: upgraded recently? |
| 18:06.28 | n3kl | jelly: nope, I did do an update, but no new packages were installed. |
| 18:08.10 | stoned | somebody make me beep? |
| 18:08.14 | jelly | n3kl: ls -ld /usr/lib/X11{,/fonts{,/misc}} |
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| 18:08.26 | dutchfish | is it possible to make a fifo wich can be used by /bin/sh script? |
| 18:08.30 | jelly | puts a finger to stoned's nose |
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| 18:08.39 | stoned | lol |
| 18:08.44 | stoned | oh rahul |
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| 18:08.55 | jelly | stoned: not "lol"! beep! |
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| 18:09.26 | stoned | o |
| 18:09.30 | stoned | beep |
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| 18:09.36 | jelly | \o/ |
| 18:09.36 | Bushmills | dutchfish: sure. script can read from fifo. but, script must keep running, or process writing to fifo will block. |
| 18:09.40 | superfirelord42 | !lol |
| 18:09.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:09.40 | juantelez | hi |
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| 18:10.03 | dutchfish | Bushmills, how do i create one? |
| 18:10.09 | Bushmills | mknod |
| 18:10.15 | juantelez | what repositorie should I add to make "apt-get install net-snmp" works? |
| 18:10.16 | stoned | !nickometer superfirelord42 |
| 18:10.17 | dpkg | 'superfirelord42' is 74.000% lame, stoned |
| 18:10.22 | stoned | thank you dpkg. |
| 18:10.26 | dutchfish | claps his hand to forehead, of coarse |
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| 18:10.52 | dutchfish | Bushmills, thank you! |
| 18:10.57 | juantelez | dpkg jaja |
| 18:10.58 | dpkg | jajajaja yourself punk!!!!! |
| 18:10.59 | Bushmills | geen dank |
| 18:12.16 | superfirelord42 | stoned: ill admit, i suck at names... got a better suggestion for me? |
| 18:12.22 | juantelez | jaja, dpkg, jaja means haha |
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| 18:12.56 | [Elvis] | hej guys, I wanna install debian on a sparc |
| 18:12.59 | [Elvis] | anyone who can help me with this? |
| 18:13.04 | superfirelord42 | !no, jaja means haha |
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| 18:13.26 | MES_ke | [Elvis] just do it... where is the problem? |
| 18:13.34 | mbroeker | dutchfish, an ordinary fifo: http://rafb.net/p/qPW1T854.html |
| 18:13.46 | [Elvis] | MES_ke well actually a netra x1 has no cdro |
| 18:13.48 | [Elvis] | cdrom |
| 18:13.50 | [Elvis] | seeing my problem ? |
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| 18:14.08 | MES_ke | [Elvis] oh... |
| 18:14.10 | dutchfish | mbroeker, nice example, thank you |
| 18:14.19 | MES_ke | [Elvis] usb? |
| 18:14.36 | juantelez | so... could anybody helpme wiht "# apt-get install net-snmp"? |
| 18:14.37 | MES_ke | [Elvis] have an pxe server around ;D |
| 18:14.52 | superfirelord42 | !nickometer stoned |
| 18:14.53 | [Elvis] | well MES_ke it should be able to do a netboot |
| 18:14.54 | dpkg | 'stoned' is 0.000% lame, superfirelord42 |
| 18:14.54 | MES_ke | juantelez mom |
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| 18:15.26 | juantelez | MES_ke, what? |
| 18:15.26 | stoned | OHHH BURN! |
| 18:15.34 | stoned | :P |
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| 18:16.26 | superfirelord42 | stoned: interesting, im curious how it does these numbers, and btw, you dont have a better nick i could use... i admit, im bad at nicks... |
| 18:16.57 | MES_ke | juantelez try http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php and search; there you will get the repo (or not if it does not exist) |
| 18:17.01 | stoned | haha, I'm just playing man, nicks dont' matter really, just have something easy |
| 18:17.11 | musikgoat | i'm trying to set my system to show in the logs and on date command CDT instead of UTC, my hwclock is set to utc, and correct, and /etc/timezone is set to America/Chicago and /etc/default/rcS has UTC=no so what could i be missing |
| 18:17.18 | juantelez | thanks MES_ke |
| 18:17.33 | stoned | superfirelord42, how about first initial lastname somethign? |
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| 18:17.57 | superfirelord42 | stoned: still wonder how it gets those numbers though.... do we have source code for that program i can look at? |
| 18:18.04 | stoned | yes |
| 18:18.08 | stoned | #debian-bots |
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| 18:18.13 | kunwon1 | superfirelord42, it's mainly based on how easy the nick is to type |
| 18:18.26 | stoned | don has made the source available in a deb package but i dunno where to get it from |
| 18:18.30 | kunwon1 | longer and with numerals = harder to type |
| 18:18.31 | stoned | !blootbot |
| 18:18.31 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
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| 18:18.40 | stew | !info blootbot |
| 18:18.42 | dpkg | blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 243 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
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| 18:18.53 | stoned | !infobot |
| 18:18.54 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
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| 18:19.00 | masterkiller | Hello, anyone use a remote syslog server an swatch? |
| 18:19.02 | dondelelcaro | stoned: the source is in a branch of the infobot project. |
| 18:19.06 | stoned | but check #debian-bots anyway |
| 18:19.16 | stoned | dondelelcaro, ahh, thanks, got a link for me bro? |
| 18:19.23 | masterkiller | why is everyone talking about all these bots in completely different channels...weird |
| 18:20.00 | superfirelord42 | cool... that explains why our infobot is so awsome, its a super branch... what other channel masterkiller? |
| 18:20.12 | masterkiller | #wowhead |
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| 18:20.16 | masterkiller | warcraft channel |
| 18:20.26 | masterkiller | so very strange to have such random topics in such different channels! |
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| 18:20.46 | stoned | i hate dell but what do i do |
| 18:20.58 | stoned | gotta order for clients gonna run debian desktops on 5 optiplex machines |
| 18:21.09 | stoned | yay i converted a company to linux |
| 18:21.10 | stoned | yay |
| 18:21.18 | masterkiller | sweet! what you do |
| 18:21.25 | superfirelord42 | dell actually has openly released linux drivers for there stuff, havent they? |
| 18:21.27 | stoned | sr. sys admin |
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| 18:21.36 | stoned | plus my own company |
| 18:21.43 | masterkiller | no i mean what did you do to convert them |
| 18:21.56 | stoned | nothing, just told em about how they will be safe and stuff |
| 18:21.57 | stoned | security |
| 18:22.10 | stoned | plus automation |
| 18:22.10 | juantelez | MES_ke. I've finde this ---> http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=net-snmp&submit=Enviar+consulta&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all . But I'm using sarge, qhat should I do? |
| 18:22.15 | stoned | less time, more work done |
| 18:22.17 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 18:22.28 | superfirelord42 | im trying to convince a group to go to linux servers... |
| 18:22.52 | stoned | cost/free software was a huge help |
| 18:22.57 | Bushmills | superfirelord42: what pro-arguments to you have? |
| 18:22.59 | stoned | that was one of the deciding points |
| 18:23.17 | stoned | mostly office work that needed to be done, and we don't wanna pay MS |
| 18:23.21 | masterkiller | well...i cant really say linux means less time/more automation...you usually need higher skilled admins and plenty of custom work |
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| 18:23.27 | stoned | mostly that other than anything else, and security |
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| 18:24.06 | eject_ck | How I can get /etc/init.d/ files ? |
| 18:24.13 | stoned | what do you mean? |
| 18:24.17 | Bushmills | "get"? |
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| 18:24.27 | Bushmills | flea market, maybe? |
| 18:24.30 | musikgoat | i'm trying to set my system to show in the logs and on date command CDT instead of UTC, my hwclock is set to utc, and correct, and /etc/timezone is set to America/Chicago and /etc/default/rcS has UTC=no so what could i be missing |
| 18:24.31 | masterkiller | lol |
| 18:24.32 | superfirelord42 | pretty much the same thing, security, free software as compared to the cost of the heavy duty server edition of windows... |
| 18:24.47 | superfirelord42 | they wanted to virualize their servers... |
| 18:25.04 | simonrvn | they're a charity auction for init scripts soon |
| 18:25.05 | eject_ck | I ran apt-get remove racoon then apt-get install racoon - after this is discovered that init.d/racoon not present |
| 18:25.10 | simonrvn | having a* |
| 18:25.13 | stoned | simonrvn, hi |
| 18:25.14 | hoxu | !tell musikgoat about tzselect |
| 18:25.25 | hoxu | uh... |
| 18:25.31 | hoxu | !tell musikgoat about tzconfig |
| 18:25.34 | simonrvn | hi |
| 18:25.50 | stoned | simonrvn, burn a sage |
| 18:25.54 | masterkiller | hey how do i register a channel to show up in the channel list? |
| 18:25.54 | stoned | deviner |
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| 18:25.59 | musikgoat | as su, tzconfig: command not found |
| 18:26.03 | mbroeker | dpkg, tell eject_ck about confmiss |
| 18:26.08 | musikgoat | in lenny testing |
| 18:26.09 | eject_ck | I don`t removed it manually how make it again ? I mean from where it originally ? .deb package or dist ? |
| 18:26.09 | Bushmills | eject_ck: /etc/init.d/racoon is in racoon package |
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| 18:26.22 | hoxu | masterkiller, are you speaking of irc channels on freenode? /msg chanserv help and #freenode |
| 18:26.27 | eject_ck | Bushmills, so why it not installed with pacjage ? |
| 18:26.29 | eject_ck | package |
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| 18:26.35 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ... |
| 18:26.41 | Bushmills | eject_ck: what branch of debian? |
| 18:26.45 | eject_ck | Etch |
| 18:26.58 | eject_ck | Bushmills, I had it before |
| 18:27.15 | inFw | Hello. I've recently been given a rackmount server, and had no success in booting debian (and other linux distros) on it. While troubleshooting, I asked the former owner what did he run on it, it was win server 2003. When I tried with a win2003 cd, it booted fine. What can cause this problem? |
| 18:27.24 | eject_ck | after remove, install no there |
| 18:27.27 | Bushmills | can't tell you why. can only tell you that it is in recoon .deb, and is placed in /etc/init.d, normally. |
| 18:27.36 | musikgoat | thank you simonrvn |
| 18:27.36 | chops | inFw: What happened when you tried to boot Debian? |
| 18:27.45 | eject_ck | can I force installation ? |
| 18:27.58 | inFw | chops, it doesn't even show the boot menu, it jut hangs trying to read the debian cd (I tested the cd in a desktop and worked fine) |
| 18:28.02 | eject_ck | or removing, to be sure that it runs correctly |
| 18:28.11 | Bushmills | !conf_miss |
| 18:28.12 | stoned | inFw, which server is it? can you find the model/serial look on google see which hw/chipset/etc. it has |
| 18:28.21 | Bushmills | no. |
| 18:28.21 | simonrvn | musikgoat: :) |
| 18:28.29 | hoxu | Bushmills, "confmiss" |
| 18:28.32 | Bushmills | what's the conf miss factoid? |
| 18:28.33 | stoned | no space |
| 18:28.35 | masterkiller | hoxu, i try that but it doesnt respond =/ |
| 18:28.36 | inFw | stoned, it's an old fujitsu rack, 7 or 8 years.. I tried to google for it and found nothing |
| 18:28.38 | Bushmills | !confmiss |
| 18:28.38 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 18:28.42 | simonrvn | "confmiss" |
| 18:28.49 | Bushmills | thank you hoxu |
| 18:28.51 | chops | inFw: I've never heard of that. Are you sure that that CD drive can read that CD (e.g. try to read it from a booted Win2003 system). |
| 18:28.52 | hoxu | masterkiller, weird, ask on #freenode |
| 18:28.52 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 18:28.52 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg.web.search was A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 18:28.58 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 18:28.59 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 18:29.01 | eject_ck | Bushmills, apt-get remove racoon ; apt-get install racoon ; /etc/init.d/racoon start |
| 18:29.01 | stoned | Bushmills, ^^ |
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| 18:29.12 | eject_ck | -bash: /etc/init.d/racoon: No such file or directory |
| 18:29.29 | inFw | chops, the cd's I tried (both linux & winserver) are from the same cd cake, and the drive reads one but not the others.. |
| 18:29.36 | [Elvis] | anyone here |
| 18:29.38 | inFw | (reads the win, not the linux) |
| 18:29.42 | [Elvis] | who has a jumpstart server for sparc debian?> |
| 18:29.52 | stoned | [Elvis], no, no one is here |
| 18:30.10 | eject_ck | Bushmills, thank! |
| 18:30.12 | eject_ck | thanks! |
| 18:30.16 | MES_ke | [Elvis] may be you can boot from usb stick? |
| 18:30.18 | jelly | [Elvis]: um, read the release notes on how to set up netboot? |
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| 18:31.08 | inFw | chops, I'll try to boot with another cd-rom.. thanks anyway just wanted to know if it was a common problem |
| 18:31.11 | inFw | \o |
| 18:31.21 | chops | inFw: So from a booted Windows system, it fails to read the Linux CD? I'd say that's a problem with the CD itself; bootable Debian CDs should be readable within Windows I believe. |
| 18:31.54 | simonrvn | yes they are |
| 18:32.07 | eject_ck | opps, guys after reinstall - during racoon starting I get strange errors :) http://pastebin.ca/1040628 |
| 18:32.12 | eject_ck | # |
| 18:32.13 | eject_ck | Loading IPSEC/crypto modules... |
| 18:32.13 | eject_ck | # |
| 18:32.13 | eject_ck | FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_6_686/kernel/crypto/khazad.ko not found. |
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| 18:32.26 | hoxu | well, that was a fatal error message |
| 18:32.32 | badcfe | hello. i just found the serverstats package. its nice -- anyone know how to setup for remote hosts too? |
| 18:32.38 | superfirelord42 | we have a paster bot? |
| 18:32.52 | hoxu | superfirelord42, used to, I think... use the pastebins |
| 18:33.01 | eject_ck | mbroeker, can help ? |
| 18:33.03 | Bushmills | superfirelord42: no. users have to paste themselves. |
| 18:33.07 | simonrvn | doesn't live here i don't thinki, anymore |
| 18:33.30 | Bushmills | no bot doing it for them |
| 18:33.31 | superfirelord42 | where did it go? |
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| 18:34.47 | mbroeker | eject_ck, i am going into the hive, watching resident evil now... |
| 18:34.49 | fales | hello |
| 18:34.57 | jelly | eject_ck: those underscores in 2.6.18_6_686 you pasted look weird |
| 18:35.17 | fales | how can I install a local package respecting the dependences? |
| 18:35.46 | superfirelord42 | dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 18:35.46 | dpkg | package packagename.deb is already installed |
| 18:35.47 | superfirelord42 | ? |
| 18:35.57 | superfirelord42 | ????? |
| 18:36.06 | superfirelord42 | i wasnt talking to you dpkg |
| 18:36.08 | eject_ck | I removed and installed both ipsec-tools and racoon packages and now it's OK. |
| 18:36.15 | fales | superfirelord42: it doesn't install the dependences... |
| 18:36.37 | superfirelord42 | then afterwords cant you apt-get -f install to get hte dependencies? |
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| 18:37.20 | fales | superfirelord42: the package there isn't the the debian repository, and it says: package not found.. |
| 18:38.12 | superfirelord42 | you mean the dependencies are not in the repositories? |
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| 18:38.42 | fales | superfirelord42: the package is not in the repo |
| 18:38.48 | fales | superfirelord42: the dependences are |
| 18:38.49 | stew | fales: "dpkg -i /path/to/foo.deb ; aptitude -f install" the first operation only partially succeeds becuase the dependencies fail, the "aptitude -f install" fixes the dependencies and finishes the install of foo.deb |
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| 18:39.04 | Cromag | !xmessage |
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| 18:39.12 | Cromag | !dpkg xmessage |
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| 18:40.05 | fales | stew: ok, I try this :) |
| 18:41.40 | superfirelord42 | stew: isnt that exactly what i said? |
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| 18:43.37 | stew | superfirelord42: more or less |
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| 18:47.54 | [Elvis] | hej guys, where can I find the ethers file for rarpd? |
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| 18:48.17 | fales | stew: it seems working :) thank you :) |
| 18:48.18 | MES_ke | [Elvis] ? |
| 18:48.28 | fales | thank you superfirelord42 |
| 18:48.31 | [Elvis] | I'm trying to setup rarpd for debian |
| 18:48.35 | [Elvis] | so I can do a netboot |
| 18:49.18 | stew | [Elvis]: man 5 ethers? |
| 18:49.28 | MES_ke | [Elvis] hae? how do you want to realise that? you even need a "minimum" medium to realise an network installation |
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| 18:51.16 | [Elvis] | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-sparc-netboot-howto.xml?style=printable |
| 18:51.20 | [Elvis] | something like that MES_ke |
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| 18:51.24 | [Elvis] | but then for debian? |
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| 18:53.07 | MES_ke | [Elvis] but you know what you are trying to do? as i recognized you don't have anything on your sparc running? |
| 18:53.36 | [Elvis] | true MES_ke so? |
| 18:57.06 | MES_ke | [Elvis] try an easyier way (i don't think the rarp stuff will solve your problem, how should it?). boot from an USB-Stick? |
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| 19:01.20 | MES_ke | [Elvis] as this descriptions assumes you have an running boot server around. do you? |
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| 19:03.15 | bkw | curl -o /dev/null -Y 64000 does that really limit the download speed to 512kbits/s? |
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| 19:06.19 | gnuSnob | did anyone reply to my question just a couple min ago? If so I apologize for missing it.. a damn telemarketer called and interrupted my dialup connection just after I asked |
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| 19:07.18 | gnuSnob | (i was unixSnob when I asked) |
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| 19:09.46 | MES_ke | bkw of course not; try "man curl" or "#curl" in konqueror |
| 19:10.02 | eject_ck | jelly, finally I figured out that something wrong |
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| 19:10.18 | eject_ck | jelly, this pastebin is actual for me http://pastebin.ca/1040628 |
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| 19:11.28 | aloofaaa | #join #7chan |
| 19:11.38 | eject_ck | Can anybody suggest ? |
| 19:11.50 | simonrvn | !any ideas |
| 19:11.50 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:11.55 | eject_ck | during racoon installation next error http://pastebin.ca/1040670 |
| 19:12.11 | draeath | wow... that was just wierd |
| 19:12.19 | draeath | What's vegemite? |
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| 19:12.52 | simonrvn | !vegemite |
| 19:12.52 | dpkg | vegemite is probably like sump oil, or http://www.vegemite.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=VegemiteDiscovery.welcome, or not marmite |
| 19:13.03 | stoned | que? |
| 19:13.06 | wols_ | rotten food |
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| 19:13.45 | bkw | MES_ke: I think --limit-rate is what I'm looking for |
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| 19:14.09 | draeath | thinkgs dpkg is self-aware |
| 19:14.26 | cloakable | lol |
| 19:14.39 | MES_ke | bkw yes, and remember its bytes/sec |
| 19:14.52 | cloakable | !self-aware |
| 19:15.04 | eject_ck | simonrvn, great ideas :( |
| 19:15.18 | simonrvn | is afk |
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| 19:17.35 | draeath | !abuse |
| 19:17.35 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 19:17.51 | draeath | ok, not the expected response (was wondering if theres a channel for abusing dpkg) |
| 19:18.07 | dondelelcaro | draeath: do it in /msg |
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| 19:19.32 | gnuSnob | was able to get an answer to his debian question in #maemo... turns out, "kernel-source" was renamed to "linux-source" if anyone is interested |
| 19:19.34 | streuner | draeath: feel free to do that, but some people don't like that too :-) |
| 19:19.55 | stoned | gnuSnob, happened on 2.4 -> 2.6 iir |
| 19:20.20 | MES_ke | gnuSnob that was five years ago... |
| 19:20.27 | stoned | nah |
| 19:20.27 | gnuSnob | strange |
| 19:20.30 | stoned | it wasn't 5 years ago |
| 19:20.37 | stoned | was it? |
| 19:20.41 | stoned | it couldn't be... |
| 19:20.47 | gnuSnob | When I google "debian kernel source" the first hits are "kernel-source-2.6...." |
| 19:21.04 | MES_ke | stoned ok, but "many" years |
| 19:21.11 | stoned | yeh |
| 19:21.36 | gnuSnob | anyway.. debian is fairly new to me.. so I was getting obsolete info |
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| 19:22.46 | richard_ | ok |
| 19:22.57 | richard_ | i've been going about this the wrong way for the past 4 hours |
| 19:23.04 | stoned | what? |
| 19:23.13 | richard_ | fixing this software raid array |
| 19:23.25 | stoned | whats broken? |
| 19:23.37 | richard_ | well i've moved these 4 disks from one system to another |
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| 19:23.53 | richard_ | one of them it says the superblock does not match and refuses to include it in the array |
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| 19:24.12 | richard_ | and another drive is marked as failed |
| 19:24.34 | richard_ | and i can't see how to mark it as not failed |
| 19:25.01 | fales | starting x, all the monitor became weird for a couple seconds, and after black... why? how can I fix? |
| 19:25.59 | stoned | fales, debian distro? gfx chipset? driver? also look in /var/log/Xog.*.log - pastebin a copy of xorg.conf too |
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| 19:26.49 | ReKlip1 | does anyone have any suggestions on an ide that works nicely with svn? I've got anjuta and code::blocks installed, but anjuta seems to create a ton of lame build files that I don't want in the svn repo... and code::blocks doesnt have an svn plugin, but i can write a script for it I think... |
| 19:26.56 | fales | stoned: is debian, chipset is an ATI 128 rage, driver r128 |
| 19:27.03 | chops | ReKlip1: emacs? :-) |
| 19:27.39 | stoned | fales, I dont know about this driver, for ati rage 128 I think you should just use the ati driver |
| 19:27.40 | stoned | I think |
| 19:28.36 | stoned | I dunno, it sems to be the correct driver for this then |
| 19:28.47 | stoned | what does the log file say near the end |
| 19:28.52 | Spec | If I need a newer version of libmoose-perl, what's the best way to accomplish that in debian? remove my current libmoose and install via cpan? |
| 19:28.59 | fales | stoned: the weird thing is that from konsole it works fine, from boot it give that error |
| 19:29.24 | stoned | fales, so startx works but through a login program like GDM/KDM/XDM it doesn't work |
| 19:29.26 | stoned | ? |
| 19:29.33 | fales | stoned: exactly |
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| 19:30.16 | MES_ke | stoned normal; it just starts the xserver without an xdmpc request to the kdm/gdm/whatever |
| 19:30.48 | fales | MES_ke: than how can I fix? |
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| 19:31.12 | stoned | xdmcp* |
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| 19:32.55 | MES_ke | fales temporyrily with "Xorg -query localhost" |
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| 19:34.09 | stoned | MES_ke, might wanna tell him where to add that depending on his *DM |
| 19:34.10 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:35.37 | stew | Spec: what version do you have now? what version do you need? |
| 19:35.49 | stew | Spec: you should either be using a backport or dh-make-perl |
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| 19:35.52 | fales | stoned: cmd not found |
| 19:35.52 | MES_ke | fales what was your problem again after restarting your machine? |
| 19:36.01 | Spec | stew: backport? |
| 19:36.11 | Spec | stew: i've got 0.17-1 |
| 19:36.12 | fales | starting x, all the monitor became weird for a couple seconds, and after black... why? how can I fix? |
| 19:36.13 | stew | Spec: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:36.15 | Spec | stew: and i need 0.18 |
| 19:36.36 | MES_ke | fales whats /var/log/Xorg.0.log telling? |
| 19:36.37 | lxsameer | hey guys , i am looking for a good laptop that be best for linux with a good price , is there any offer i use debian etch. |
| 19:36.40 | stew | Spec: using a backport would get you 0.44-1 |
| 19:36.51 | Spec | wow. lots of development from stable to testing? |
| 19:37.03 | Spec | or is that backport from sid? |
| 19:37.16 | stew | Spec: testing and sid currently have the same version, 0.44-1 |
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| 19:38.02 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:38.03 | Spec | stew: i don't see libmoose-perl on backports.org ? |
| 19:38.04 | stoned | valdyn.org eh |
| 19:38.06 | MES_ke | lxsameer fujitsu-siemens lifebook S7110-05de |
| 19:38.09 | fales | MES_ke: EE: end of block range 0xefffffff < begin 0xf0000000 |
| 19:38.11 | valdyn | stoned: ehe |
| 19:38.13 | stew | Spec: no, its not on backports |
| 19:38.18 | stoned | valdyn, nice |
| 19:38.26 | draeath | Is there a fairly quick (and easy to use) way of building packages, besides the voodoo of fakeroot? |
| 19:38.39 | stoned | valdyn, im getting a few domains |
| 19:38.42 | MES_ke | fales the whole file? in a pastebin? |
| 19:38.43 | Spec | draeath: pbuilder? |
| 19:38.46 | draeath | these packages will be intended just to allow easy installation/removal of custom stuff |
| 19:38.52 | fales | MES_ke: ok |
| 19:39.16 | arussel | I am trying to simulate a 3 machines set up on my machine. To do this I am using virtual interface. I also want to simulate a drop connection from 1 of the machine to the other 2. I trid ifconfig eth0:1 down, but it kill all eth0:1~3 connection. What can I do ? |
| 19:39.25 | lxsameer | MES_ke : can u tell me more about the details? |
| 19:39.36 | Spec | stew: ah, so, i should build source from testing and/or sid? |
| 19:39.38 | stew | draeath: what does fakeroot have to do with it? you shouldn't need to know anything about fakeroot and its voodoo in order to use it, and it's far safer than other methods of gaining root while bulding packages |
| 19:39.43 | stew | Spec: yes |
| 19:39.43 | keith4 | arussel: eth0:1 is not a "virtual interface", it's just another IP address on the same interface |
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| 19:40.20 | amphi | arussel: you want vde perhaps |
| 19:40.31 | draeath | stew: well, it's not really fakeroots voodoo (its the whole messing with the linker and editing makefiles) that I would rather avoid |
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| 19:40.42 | arussel | keith4: so how can I "stop" communication from eth0:1 to both eth0:2 and eth0:3 |
| 19:40.56 | arussel | amphi: thanks, having a look atm |
| 19:40.59 | stew | draeath: what is making you mess with the linker? |
| 19:41.02 | draeath | Normally i would build and install a tarball... but what I would like is a .deb that I can use to remove it easily later on, should I need it |
| 19:41.19 | amphi | arussel: vde.sf.net IIRC |
| 19:41.37 | draeath | stew: stuff like google.com/search?q=using+fakeroot |
| 19:42.02 | fales | MES_ke: http://pastebin.ca/1040694 |
| 19:42.19 | draeath | am I overcomplicating things or using the wrong tool for the job? |
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| 19:42.23 | MES_ke | lxsameer fujitsu-siemens lifebook S7110-05de, 14.1'', 1.400 x 768, 2.1Ghz, 2GB Ram, magnesium coverage, battery lifetime around 6h, around 1200€, bad grafic card(business style intel 945GM), very professional |
| 19:42.26 | keith4 | arussel: or you might need to stop up to some sort of virtual machine, like linux-vserver, or xen, or vmware, etc., depending on what you're actually testing |
| 19:42.26 | stew | draeath: fakeroot is just a way to let a normal user create things like tarballs that contain files owned by root (such as the tarballs containined in a .deb) |
| 19:42.27 | arussel | amphi: it looks a lot like an overkill for what I want. |
| 19:43.04 | amphi | arussel: I'm not sure what you're doing; I used it to network multiple OSes running in qemu sessions before |
| 19:43.08 | arussel | keith4: a 3 JBoss server cluster recovery from a dropped link |
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| 19:43.15 | stoned | amphi |
| 19:43.16 | draeath | stew: so wrong tool? |
| 19:43.19 | stew | draeath: if you are going to build a pacakge that contains files owned by someone other than you, you have to use fakeroot, or actually gain root privileges (using sudo, or so) which is far less safe |
| 19:43.24 | amphi | stoned |
| 19:43.32 | stoned | heh |
| 19:43.33 | draeath | ah |
| 19:43.37 | draeath | i get it... |
| 19:44.00 | arussel | amphi: I am realy looking for quick test. We'll pass it to real server after for load/performance testing. |
| 19:44.20 | draeath | Now, whats the means to make quick .deb packages (not suitable for release) for the sole purposes of my sanity? |
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| 19:44.46 | MES_ke | fales WOW, thats strange, never saw this before and i'm a little bit expirienced in xorg and many (even old) cards... |
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| 19:45.37 | MES_ke | fales your xorg.conf is standard? (even mistakes shouldn't cause such an problem) |
| 19:45.46 | fales | MES_ke: I can help you, maybe, telling you that is a mac g3 |
| 19:45.51 | draeath | i've got the developers/new maintainers guide, but most of that all seems intended on making perfect policy-adhering packages (which I don't need) |
| 19:46.02 | stoned | fales, pastebin the last half of the file |
| 19:46.11 | stoned | fales, what yo pasted doesn't help anything |
| 19:46.27 | fales | stoned: that is all i got |
| 19:46.31 | MES_ke | stoned normaly is does; its the log |
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| 19:47.32 | Spec | stew: i can't get apt-get builddep to work because it requires a version of debhelper not available for stable (requires >7, available: 5.0.42) |
| 19:47.34 | keith4 | fales: yikes. lookslike you found a serious problem with the rage 128 driver, or your card's bios is sad |
| 19:47.36 | MES_ke | fales but the xserver seemes to run anyway; you get an black screen, nothing else? |
| 19:47.42 | Spec | do i have to backport debhelper as well? |
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| 19:48.25 | stew | Spec: ugh, that sucks. no, backporting debhelper isn't going to work (well it would work if it is possible, but backporting debhlper would be a HUGE task) |
| 19:48.32 | fales | MES_ke: exactly, and I can not swap with Ctrl+Alt+Fx |
| 19:48.54 | stoned | ****INVALID IO ALLOCATION**** b: 0xf0000400 e: 0xf00004ff correcting |
| 19:49.02 | stew | Spec: you can either edit debian/rules to make it depend on debhelper 5 instead of debhelper 7, find an older version on snapshot.debian.net that depends on debhelper 5 or user dh-make-perl |
| 19:49.16 | Spec | stew: yes, there's a circular dependency for debhelper on man-db on debhelper :p |
| 19:49.21 | stoned | (II) Attempted to read BIOS 64KB from /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:10.0/rom: got 0KB |
| 19:49.22 | stoned | wow |
| 19:49.24 | Spec | stew: what's dh-make-perl? |
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| 19:49.27 | stoned | thats like... holy crap! |
| 19:49.42 | stew | Spec: /msg dpkg dh-make-perl |
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| 19:50.04 | MES_ke | fales but its not a stupid problem with DVI/VGA or a second card installed? |
| 19:50.25 | keith4 | it's "try another video card" time! |
| 19:50.36 | fales | MES_ke: there is only one card... and i use the same xorg.conf file for startx and kdm... |
| 19:50.44 | keith4 | (**) | |-->Monitor "iMac" |
| 19:50.53 | keith4 | sighs |
| 19:50.54 | keith4 | or not |
| 19:51.14 | MES_ke | fales failed since when (what changes) or did it never work? |
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| 19:51.42 | fales | MES_ke: I have installed 30 minutes ago, and it never worked |
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| 19:54.06 | MES_ke | fales tried to "reset" your bios? (not very helpfull, i know; distressed action...) |
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| 19:55.26 | Spec | stew: dh-make-perl is throwing an error... http://pastebin.com/m373bc9d3 |
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| 19:56.45 | th1 | fales, you have gdm or kdm? |
| 19:56.54 | stew | Spec: i don't know about that |
| 19:56.55 | eject_ck | can anybody explain why I get this during racoon installing http://pastebin.ca/1040699 ? |
| 19:56.59 | eject_ck | sorry for distrub |
| 19:57.15 | Spec | stew: thanks anyways...i'll figure this out later, i'm gonna just use cpan for now |
| 19:57.52 | fales | th1: kdm |
| 19:58.02 | th1 | fales, try to switch to plain xdm just for the hell of it |
| 19:58.07 | fales | MES_ke: not working :( |
| 19:58.17 | fales | th1: ok :) |
| 19:58.27 | eject_ck | hitech-service-gw:~# uname -a |
| 19:58.27 | eject_ck | Linux hitech-service-gw 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat May 24 10:24:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:58.58 | MES_ke | fales black screen: what happens by pressing <CTRL-ALT-DEL> (With Del i mean the key above the enter, sorry, german layout) |
| 19:59.01 | eject_ck | really I don`t have /lib/modules/2.6.18_6_686 directory |
| 19:59.20 | th1 | MES_ke, backspace that is ;) |
| 19:59.40 | MES_ke | th1 sorry... |
| 19:59.50 | stew | fales: when the screen goes blank, hit "ctrl-alt-f1" to switch to a text console, see what resolution it is running with "DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo" or see what resolutions it is using and which you can switch to using "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" |
| 19:59.56 | MES_ke | fales backspace, not del |
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| 20:00.12 | th1 | stew, he said that combo wasn't working |
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| 20:00.32 | th1 | I'm thinking kdm snafu |
| 20:00.40 | MES_ke | fales oh, are you using an TFT that is not working with your resolution? |
| 20:00.54 | stew | fales: can you ssh into the machine? |
| 20:00.59 | fales | stew: it doesn't work |
| 20:01.18 | fales | stew: nope |
| 20:01.18 | th1 | stew, console works, startx works, just kdm |
| 20:01.34 | th1 | fales, did you try xdm? |
| 20:01.45 | MES_ke | th1 no, black screen after starting x i thought... |
| 20:01.57 | th1 | with kdm |
| 20:02.01 | MES_ke | th1 not able to switch to console i thougt |
| 20:02.02 | fales | th1: MES_ke: stew: fixed :) |
| 20:02.05 | fales | thank you |
| 20:02.10 | th1 | fales, what was it? |
| 20:02.18 | stew | fales: were you getting the black screen before or after loggin into kdm? |
| 20:02.29 | fales | th1: I removed 2 lines from kdem.conf |
| 20:02.29 | th1 | stew, kdm is the login screen |
| 20:02.32 | th1 | yeah |
| 20:02.36 | th1 | thought it would be kdm ;) |
| 20:02.36 | stew | th1: i know what kdm is |
| 20:02.37 | fales | stew: before |
| 20:02.44 | th1 | what 2 lines did you remove? |
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| 20:03.34 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:03.52 | MES_ke | fales hey, what was it? |
| 20:04.28 | x1250 | Is it possible to start a gnome session remotely without having logged in physicaly? I want to turn on debian, and then remotely log off/on certain user without touching that pc again. |
| 20:05.09 | th1 | x1250, sure just switch to the user in question with su and run startx |
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| 20:05.15 | x1250 | pc1 controls pc2, from pc1 I make user X log in/off in pc2 |
| 20:05.28 | th1 | x1250, if gdm is running you want to stop it first |
| 20:05.30 | fales | MES_ke: two checks |
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| 20:05.45 | MES_ke | x1250 don't get your problem; is it about an remote desktop? |
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| 20:06.41 | x1250 | MES_ke: I'm developing a cyber cafe app, and I want to control all clients from the server (turn off screen, log in certain users, etc)... |
| 20:07.02 | eth01 | lol |
| 20:07.06 | eth01 | sighs |
| 20:07.11 | elvin|coder | good day. I downloaded 1st dvd of the latest stable debian release, via http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso link. But when I start it, it appears that this is not an installer but a livecd instead. |
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| 20:07.49 | elvin|coder | it loads 2.6.23 kernel and loads all services up to the login request. is it supposed to be so? if yes, what is the default root password? |
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| 20:09.07 | yaaar | howdy everybody |
| 20:10.19 | MES_ke | x1250 no, it's not possible to log in an 'remote' pc to its 'local system'; how could that happen; but you can confiure gdm/kdm to automatically login as an specified user without password promt |
| 20:10.20 | richard_ | very frustrated by this stupid raid array |
| 20:10.44 | yaaar | i just got my fancy new server in today (well, anything with hotswap drives on the front is fancy to me, even if I *did* get it off Ebay for $150...) |
| 20:11.06 | webPragmatis1 | where is the default .bash_profile for new users kept? |
| 20:11.38 | yaaar | so i'm putting etch on it. it's got 2x36GB SCSI drives on an adaptec controller, and i went into the adaptec bios thingie and setup a mirrored raid between the 2 discs. |
| 20:11.40 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: /etc/skel/ |
| 20:11.52 | webPragmatis1 | thanks |
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| 20:12.02 | x1250 | MES_ke: ok, thanks. I'll search that |
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| 20:12.23 | yaaar | then i went into the debian installer. to my surprise it asked me which disc i wanted to partition.... |
| 20:12.44 | jelly-home | x1250: x11vnc might help |
| 20:12.49 | yaaar | i chose the first one and it did it, but it looked like only the single drive was being accessed (just looking at the led) |
| 20:13.21 | yaaar | so, i guess this is a long way around to asking how I know the raid is doing its deal? |
| 20:13.24 | MES_ke | x1250 but the severlal pc's are standalone pc's and NOT thin clients? |
| 20:13.27 | webPragmatis1 | jelly-home: how can i make it so that if a user uploads a file (over sftp) in a certain directory it automatically sets ownership to a specified group versus just the username's group? |
| 20:13.39 | webPragmatis1 | ^^ or anyway |
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| 20:13.43 | webPragmatis1 | anyone* |
| 20:13.54 | richard_ | yaaar : its probably adaptec host raid or some other form of soft/hard raid |
| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: no idea whether you can set a default group with sftp |
| 20:14.17 | webPragmatis1 | jelly-home: well ssh |
| 20:14.26 | yaaar | richard_: yeah, hostraid was what the config dealy called it. soft/hard? like i need to install a driver for it? |
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| 20:14.40 | x1250 | MES_ke: I plan to support LTSP, but I want to the client-server-socket stuff first. I guess I can just lockup the desktop. There is an applet for gnome that does just that. I guess I'll take a look to the source. It might help... |
| 20:14.42 | richard_ | you do need to get a driver on there to make it work properly |
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| 20:14.55 | cbecht | webPragmatis1: Sticky bits on the directory. man chmod |
| 20:14.56 | richard_ | but there's no point to it, it has the downsides of both software and hardware raid |
| 20:15.09 | webPragmatis1 | cbecht: ah ok |
| 20:15.09 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: you could make the directory setgid |
| 20:15.46 | MES_ke | x1250 client-server-socket from what to what? the gdm/kdm/whatever xdmpc service to the several x-servers? |
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| 20:15.50 | richard_ | http://minus-9.com/index.php/2003/10/09/installing_debian_3_0_woody_with_adaptec |
| 20:15.58 | richard_ | a quick google came up with that |
| 20:16.06 | troxor | are there any docs available for preseed that talk about log-output and in-target? We're trying to get a late_command to output to an nfs mount (at /target/mnt/, e.g.) |
| 20:16.06 | jelly-home | richard_: 3.0 is OLD |
| 20:16.08 | yaaar | richard_: what do you mean? it's better to just configure as JBOD and do software raid instead? |
| 20:16.19 | richard_ | i believe so |
| 20:16.25 | yaaar | hmmm |
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| 20:16.33 | richard_ | and jelly: so? the same principles should apply |
| 20:16.37 | yaaar | that's kind of jank |
| 20:16.46 | MES_ke | x1250 (i wrote an own thinclient system next to ltsp so i'm quite used to the stuff) |
| 20:17.11 | Zharf | is there some utility to adjust mouse speed without huge dependencies? |
| 20:17.18 | richard_ | yaaar : it'll certainly be easier to recover data if the controller ever dies if you had it set up with software raid |
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| 20:17.38 | jelly-home | richard_: howto-style guides for obsolete distros can bring more pain than they're worth |
| 20:17.48 | epsilon | use hardware-RAID via controller if you have the choice |
| 20:18.15 | richard_ | the only problem is it requires a bit more testing to make sure grub is set up and will boot up off either disk |
| 20:18.29 | x1250 | MES_ke: for ltsp I don't know yet, since I only have the gui almost completed. I want to start looking how to control the clients remotely first. I guess (just a guess) that ltsp will be less harder since everything happens on the server. |
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| 20:18.51 | richard_ | epsilon / yaaaar : if it were an actual controller, and not a commercial implementation of hardware raid, that might be true |
| 20:18.59 | richard_ | software raid* |
| 20:19.06 | jelly-home | yaaar: rule of thumb: if your controller doesn't present the raid array as a single device, _don't_ use its features :-) |
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| 20:19.28 | richard_ | thats probably the best way to put it |
| 20:19.29 | yaaar | jelly-home: dang. ok |
| 20:19.49 | epsilon | well if it's adaptec SCSI controller, it's real hardware-RAID |
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| 20:20.24 | richard_ | "http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2008-03/msg01923.html" |
| 20:20.27 | richard_ | its hostraid |
| 20:20.56 | richard_ | "HostRAID is just software RAID implemented in a device driver." |
| 20:20.56 | richard_ | ie |
| 20:20.56 | richard_ | kind of pointless |
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| 20:21.11 | jelly-home | epsilon: I'd only trust that sentence if you had an @adaptec.com email (and were a techie rather than sales) |
| 20:21.12 | MES_ke | x1250 take it simple; ltsp or not; an Xserver can query for an login screen (via XDMPC) anywhere to get an valid desktop session (anywhere) displayed on the Xserver itself. |
| 20:21.17 | sdubois92 | can the 32bit PPC etch run a 64bit processor |
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| 20:22.07 | MES_ke | x1250 so you can configure the display manager (kdm/gdm/...) that there is no login screen necessary |
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| 20:22.27 | MES_ke | x1250 the whole stuff you want is not a issue of ltsp itself |
| 20:22.43 | derchris | hello, this one is not really debian specific. i am searching for a fast server (100mbit+) to test the download speed of my debian box. does anybody have good sources for that? |
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| 20:24.01 | MES_ke | x1250 things like "shut down" can be realised with ssh pulic keys, alowing your central server to shut down clients via ssh without password verification |
| 20:24.08 | epsilon | jelly-home: afaik adaptec never implemented a pseudo-HardRAID like 15$ SATA controller |
| 20:24.17 | sephi77 | When I wake up my laptop from a sleep, everything goes fine except the touchpad which doesn't respond anymore, any idea ? |
| 20:24.38 | x1250 | MES_ke: I'm taking note of what you say, thanks a lot |
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| 20:25.27 | socr | where can I find a good set of iptables rules ? |
| 20:26.11 | wols_ | !firewall |
| 20:26.11 | dpkg | methinks firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 20:26.13 | MES_ke | socr use ipmasq; it's doing all automatically in a perfect way |
| 20:26.34 | wols_ | MES_ke: that's not a firewall |
| 20:26.36 | x1250 | MES_ke: but why is it useful that the Xserver can query a remote server for a valid desktop session? That sounds like ltsp, probably different implementation |
| 20:26.43 | wols_ | of course people don't really need a firewall either |
| 20:27.15 | MES_ke | wols_ it react as one! as it is using itptables to block unused ports |
| 20:27.24 | wols_ | MES_ke: bullshit |
| 20:27.42 | wols_ | ipmasq doesn't block a single port |
| 20:27.43 | DanDare | sephi77, the instalation detected the touchpad and installed specific drivers for it or just generic driver ? |
| 20:28.04 | MES_ke | x1250 ltsp sets it up; the functionality is already implemented in the X-protocol |
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| 20:29.48 | MES_ke | x1250 you can start "Xorg -query <anyhost>" to get an loginscreen from <anyhost> (if the displaymanager on <anyhost> is configured to allow that), without ltsp; ltsp is not a 'necessary' system, its nearly a "tool" |
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| 20:30.46 | cloakable | mmm |
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| 20:30.49 | sdubois92 | can the 32bit PPC etch run a 64bit processor |
| 20:30.52 | MES_ke | x1250 ltsp is not providing services (servers, clients, socket etc) itself; its just setting up the system that it will work for an thin client system |
| 20:31.03 | jelly-home | epsilon: otoh, I remember hostraid adaptec chips in cheap dell servers |
| 20:31.16 | x1250 | MES_ke: ok, didn't know that, thanks. |
| 20:31.21 | MES_ke | x1250 (that includes the pxe boot environment and much more ) |
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| 20:32.55 | MES_ke | x1250 but don't be confused; ltsp is meanwhile providing an own filesystem based on fuse (via sshfs i think) thats "really" an own service of ltsp; |
| 20:33.26 | MES_ke | x1250 but thats not bound to the basic x-server stuff; |
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| 20:34.11 | th1 | what's a good drink when you have no mixers other than water? |
| 20:34.14 | MES_ke | x1250 never tried to start an application shown on an remote display? using the "DISPLAY" environment variable? |
| 20:34.49 | x1250 | MES_ke: nope, haven't done that yet :) |
| 20:35.21 | MES_ke | x1250 sorry, i don't want to nerve you... |
| 20:35.48 | lilferry | I had a program once that could add effects to windows (it wasn't beral/compiz) |
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| 20:35.53 | lilferry | anyone got any clue? |
| 20:36.30 | sdubois92 | lilferry: metisse? |
| 20:36.33 | MES_ke | lilferry kwin could do so too since 3.8.xxx |
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| 20:36.49 | webPragmatis1 | if you chmod g+s on files what exactly does that do? |
| 20:36.59 | webPragmatis1 | because i noticed it was something different |
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| 20:37.04 | lem | hello |
| 20:37.06 | lilferry | none of those |
| 20:37.15 | lilferry | hmm |
| 20:37.33 | lem | i have question could you tell me how to compile module to php? |
| 20:37.35 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: it does something if they're executables |
| 20:37.47 | [Elvis] | hello, is there anyone in here who can help me setup rarpd with tftp ? |
| 20:37.56 | webPragmatis1 | jelly-home: what exactly does it do? |
| 20:37.58 | lem | do i have to compile whole php ? |
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| 20:38.17 | x1250 | MES_ke: don't be, I'll eventually will do that, sometime. I still don't know a good way to implement a server-client pair for the cyber control software :( Is it necessary to have a client listening? Or can I just run remote ssh commands in the clients using ssh keys? |
| 20:38.20 | sephi77 | DanDare: Yes and the touchpad is working flawlessly, it's just after a resume that it doesn't work anymore |
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| 20:38.27 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: it sets the gid of the resulting process? |
| 20:38.47 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: (when you run them) |
| 20:38.56 | webPragmatis1 | oh ok |
| 20:38.56 | webPragmatis1 | cool |
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| 20:39.09 | sephi77 | DanDare: Meanwhile I found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/52967, and I've got the same laptop model and the same problem, so I think all I can do is wait... :( |
| 20:39.39 | webPragmatis1 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 20:39.43 | webPragmatis1 | set this perfect :) |
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| 20:40.00 | jelly-home | webPragmatis1: if you want to know more, /msg dpkg permissions |
| 20:40.17 | troxor | are there any docs available for preseed that talk about log-output and in-target? We're trying to get a late_command to output to an nfs mount (at /target/mnt/, e.g.) |
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| 20:41.05 | MES_ke | x1250 an ssh server has to run on the clients, but thats quite usual on debian system (the ssh service is realy small and not resource wasting). |
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| 20:42.27 | MES_ke | x1250 what do you mean with "cyber control software"? is this your internet caffee appliction? |
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| 20:43.51 | x1250 | MES_ke: yup, I meant that I don't know if it will be necessary to code some sort of listening client myself. But I guess I can just use remote ssh commands and forget about coding a client-server stuff my self. |
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| 20:44.29 | x1250 | MES_ke: yeah, sorry, english is not my mother language |
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| 20:45.27 | MES_ke | x1250 maybe a own server-client-app wouldn't even help you (not my language too, whats your native language?) |
| 20:46.45 | th1 | how can I get aptitude to stop removing packages I've installed manually with dpkg? |
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| 20:47.44 | th1 | I'd compiled nut from source from lenny because my UPS wasn't supported by the one from etch but when I run aptitude it says it's not needed and will be removed. |
| 20:47.47 | markybob | !pinning |
| 20:47.47 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 20:47.54 | MES_ke | th1 aptitude is bad; can you run synaptic instead? |
| 20:48.17 | th1 | MES_ke, it's a server without X |
| 20:48.24 | wols_ | MES_ke: aptitude is the default apt program of lenny |
| 20:48.28 | wols_ | erm, of etch |
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| 20:48.44 | th1 | yeah and uh I sort of like aptitude except when it does stuff like this ;) |
| 20:48.45 | wols_ | so please tell people to use aptitude and NOT apt-get |
| 20:48.55 | th1 | is there a way to tell it to stop wanting to remove my nut? |
| 20:48.59 | wols_ | !tell th1 about hold |
| 20:48.59 | x1250 | MES_ke: Spanish. Yep, it will probably not help, I guess I can just do it with ssh. I found already a command to turn off the screen, and I'm looking for a command to lockup the gnome desktop now. |
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| 20:49.48 | MES_ke | x1250 how did you turn off the screen? |
| 20:49.51 | th1 | thanks wols_ but in the meantime I found another way: aptitude install nut |
| 20:50.03 | th1 | it didn't install another version but it made aptitude stop wanting to remove the one I have |
| 20:50.09 | MES_ke | x1250 remeber: you won't have any access to the xserver via ssh |
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| 20:50.39 | x1250 | MES_ke: xset dpms force off |
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| 20:51.07 | th1 | what's the aptitude replacement in lenny? |
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| 20:51.13 | MES_ke | x1250 not possible via ssh as default... |
| 20:51.43 | x1250 | Uhm, just you're right, it doesn't work remotely :( |
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| 20:52.12 | MES_ke | x1250 you first have the client to allow remote x-acces via "xhost +" (from an autostart or whatever) |
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| 20:52.39 | Eulex | MES_ke, GAH |
| 20:52.41 | Eulex | stop there |
| 20:52.43 | tzanger | good afternoon... a quick question... there is a command I can give to apt or dpkg to dump a list of every package installed on the system (useful for reinstalling) .. does anyone have the command handy? |
| 20:52.49 | th1 | MES_ke, it's better to copy the cookie across |
| 20:52.51 | Eulex | *NEVER* recommend *ANYONE* to run xhost + |
| 20:52.54 | MES_ke | x1250 and then to define the destination screen address in your ssh call via the DISPLAY environment variable |
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| 20:53.15 | MES_ke | Eulex its an thin client system... shut up |
| 20:53.22 | Eulex | so? |
| 20:53.57 | th1 | tbh if you're running inside a secure network where you have nfs and stuff running, adding xhost + is not going to be any security risk |
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| 20:54.58 | MES_ke | x1250 and then like 'ssh root@<clint-ip> "export DISPLAY=<clientip>:0.0; xset dpms force off"' |
| 20:55.01 | troubled | MES_ke: Eulex is 100% right, you never recommend "xhost +" to someone, especially and some form of "autostart". Wth is wrong with you? trying to get that guy hacked? |
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| 20:55.34 | akio | !any ideas? |
| 20:55.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 rabid hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:55.47 | x1250 | MES_ke: ok, I took note thanks. I'll search for that xhost + stuff |
| 20:55.59 | MES_ke | troubled its about thinclients, in an internet caffe, behind an server, that controls the clients, so what??? |
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| 20:56.40 | troubled | MES_ke: you are telling him to completely disable all security! ie: remote keyloggers can be run by anyone with tcp access to that machine |
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| 20:56.56 | MES_ke | troubled the clients are as open as an street, thats ok! |
| 20:56.57 | Eulex | x1250, I would really just recommend -Y. do _not_ run xhost + if you do not know _exactly_ what you're doing. it *disables* access control to x11 on the machine in question, allowing anyone to connect |
| 20:56.59 | troubled | not to mention screenshots and anything else someone physically at the machine could do. how is that recommended? |
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| 20:57.14 | Eulex | x1250, that is, ssh -Y |
| 20:57.15 | x1250 | troubled: do you know any alternative? I'll support non-ltsp systems too, so if it is insecure, then I'll drop it |
| 20:57.18 | Bushmills | MES_ke: do you know about XAUTHORITY=... ? |
| 20:57.25 | MES_ke | remote keyloggers dont have access to the clients behind an router |
| 20:57.29 | troubled | x1250: ya, set mit magic cookie |
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| 20:57.44 | tzanger | if you're sshing over why not just use X11 forwarding built into ssh? |
| 20:57.48 | troubled | x1250: xhost +, is for nooblets that dont know how to do it preoperly |
| 20:58.00 | chops | MES_ke: They do if they're running behind the router also |
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| 20:58.02 | troubled | ssh, even better |
| 20:58.22 | tzanger | I use xhost + internally, but never on the 'net |
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| 20:59.09 | troubled | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 20:59.10 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is probably a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about ... |
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| 21:00.03 | troubled | yay for cut off factoids :/ |
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| 21:00.33 | MES_ke | x1250 so, ignoring the other people around the more "professional" step in the future would be to set allowed ips in an .xaccess instead of "xhost +" |
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| 21:00.57 | MES_ke | x1250 but xhost + for testing reasons is ok |
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| 21:01.01 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 21:01.07 | metalfan_ | http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/wxinmfpl/debian.html <- is this true? |
| 21:01.59 | troubled | !mit-magic-cookie export |
| 21:01.59 | dpkg | You can export your <mit-magic-cookie> to allow another user to run applications on your display by doing one (but not both) of: 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or 'export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority'. For other approaches, ask me about <root x>. |
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| 21:02.05 | troubled | x1250: ^^^ |
| 21:02.23 | MES_ke | metalfan what is true? |
| 21:03.20 | CoB-pHoBoS | hi there, i set up a new server with etch, and there are a lot of modules loaded i don't think i need. i blacklistet them, but they are loaded anyway. how do i pretend them from loading? |
| 21:03.39 | troubled | CoB-pHoBoS: have you rebooted yet? |
| 21:03.40 | simonrvn | fuck, they finally put a ctrl-q in ff3 |
| 21:03.45 | CoB-pHoBoS | troubled, yes |
| 21:03.59 | MoonPatrol | I want to make love to a sailor. |
| 21:04.04 | troubled | CoB-pHoBoS: hmm, no idea then |
| 21:04.05 | CoB-pHoBoS | troubled, even lsmod tells me, that they are not "in use" |
| 21:04.09 | troubled | simonrvn: ff3? |
| 21:04.16 | simonrvn | firefox 3 |
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| 21:04.23 | simonrvn | it's in rc2 right now |
| 21:04.23 | troubled | simonrvn: whats it do? |
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| 21:04.31 | simonrvn | quit :) |
| 21:04.41 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS do you have an module for example you don't want to have? |
| 21:04.43 | troubled | simonrvn: but just that window? |
| 21:04.46 | simonrvn | MoonPatrol: that's nice, and off-topic. bye. |
| 21:04.49 | simonrvn | the app |
| 21:04.54 | troubled | eek |
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| 21:05.09 | simonrvn | it exists in the mac os x and windoze versions |
| 21:05.10 | troubled | simonrvn: let me guess, you found out the hard way? |
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| 21:05.20 | simonrvn | no, saw it as i was quitting it |
| 21:05.21 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, yes, here are some of them: processor, thermal, fan, ide_generic etc. |
| 21:05.30 | troubled | ah |
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| 21:05.40 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS you want them, really! |
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| 21:06.20 | troubled | CoB-pHoBoS: probably loaded from your initram disk, and not taking blacklisted module list into consideration |
| 21:06.20 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, why do i? and why does lsmod tells me, that they are not in use? |
| 21:06.40 | CoB-pHoBoS | troubled, i made a update-initramfs -u |
| 21:06.46 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS btw: blacklisting takes more effect ba creating a new initrd, did you do that? |
| 21:06.56 | troubled | CoB-pHoBoS: that or possibly by one of the hardware autodetect scripts |
| 21:07.00 | prophet05 | hi can you guys give the link to a _working_ mini cd iso (network install) of debian 3.0 (woody)? |
| 21:07.22 | MoonPatrol | I haven't had woody in a long time |
| 21:07.51 | troubled | prophet05: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 21:07.51 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS "not in use" means no other module depends on them, but your system probably does... |
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| 21:08.04 | wols_ | !woody |
| 21:08.04 | dpkg | [woody] the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 21:08.05 | gnuSnob | I think I know why apt-spy has been failing me.. I just installed netselect-apt, and it failed with a much more useful error than apt-spy: it told me that I must be behind a firewall |
| 21:08.15 | th1 | all the stuff that the init scripts put on the console during boot, are they logged to a file so you can view them? |
| 21:08.19 | gnuSnob | Does apt-spy need a hole in the firewall? |
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| 21:08.21 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, aaah ok, that explains why "r8169" is "not in use" but if i unload it, my network doesn't work anymore ;-) |
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| 21:08.36 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS right ;) |
| 21:08.42 | wols_ | prophet05: http://www.google.de/search?q=woody+bootfloppies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 21:08.48 | Eulex | gnuSnob, well, it needs to be able to contact the mirrors |
| 21:08.50 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, but for understanding, shouldn't i get a warning, that this is a bad idea? |
| 21:09.08 | wols_ | gnuSnob: it needs port 80/tcp outbound access. possibly port 21/tcp |
| 21:09.19 | troubled | th1: id have to dig around, but there is dmesg for kernel loading, but I am pretty sure there is a setting you can enabled to log init script output as well. |
| 21:09.29 | prophet05 | Thanks to all! |
| 21:09.32 | metalfan_ | CoB-pHoBoS: rmmod only removes modules that are not in use |
| 21:09.33 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS no, but if you don't want your network card you are allowed to disable it |
| 21:09.36 | th1 | troubled, yeah I know dmesg but this is from an init.d script that's not working :/ |
| 21:09.38 | gnuSnob | well i can browse the web just fine.. my firewall is not so aggressive |
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| 21:09.48 | simonrvn | use modprobe -r |
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| 21:09.52 | CoB-pHoBoS | metalfan_, it doesnt |
| 21:09.56 | metalfan_ | CoB-pHoBoS: means, your network shouldnt stop working after rmmod |
| 21:10.03 | CoB-pHoBoS | metalfan_, im logged in via ssh.. and can rmmod it |
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| 21:10.08 | troubled | th1: give me a sec, i might be able to track it down, but no promises short of manually pipin your output to "tee" or something similar |
| 21:10.16 | CoB-pHoBoS | metalfan_, after that, connection is dead |
| 21:10.26 | th1 | troubled, I might do that then |
| 21:10.34 | metalfan_ | CoB-pHoBoS: what does "lspci|grep Ether" return? |
| 21:10.49 | CoB-pHoBoS | metalfan_, nothin |
| 21:11.06 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS you can disable your devices by unloading the responsible modules, but do you want that? |
| 21:11.09 | metalfan_ | CoB-pHoBoS: run "lspci" and post the line that lists your network card |
| 21:11.23 | th1 | troubled, never mind I figured out why the script wasn't working. would be nice to know how to do it though. |
| 21:11.30 | metalfan_ | MES_ke: can you unload modules that are in use? |
| 21:11.42 | CoB-pHoBoS | metalfan_, 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 21:12.03 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, no, i just wanted to understand the things happening |
| 21:12.12 | troubled | th1: np. look at /etc/rc though, it has a commented "debug=echo" line that might be what I was thinking about |
| 21:12.22 | MES_ke | metalfan_ "in use" means it is used by another module, but you can if it "only" used ba your system, like a network adapters module |
| 21:12.30 | metalfan_ | CoB-pHoBoS: well, i dont know whats wrong with you but my first "lspci|grep Ether" should have returned that. but if you cant even do such simple things i wont do further support |
| 21:12.43 | th1 | troubled, ahh cool. the script was chroot to an old ubuntu installation to start a mythtv server, but it was running before the file system was mounted where the chroot was ;) |
| 21:12.44 | troxor | is there any way to change the logging directory for preseed? I don't see anything in the docs at d-i.alioth.debian.org |
| 21:12.52 | troubled | th1: that or possibly the /etc/default/rcS file has a "verbose" setting |
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| 21:13.04 | metalfan_ | MES_ke: ah, didnt know that |
| 21:13.15 | prophet05 | Is there still a package search for packages of woody or prereleases of debian? |
| 21:13.19 | simonrvn | troubled: it does |
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| 21:13.26 | metalfan_ | MES_ke: archlinux handles this of course ;) |
| 21:13.29 | CoB-pHoBoS | metalfan_, sorry i did a lsmod instead of lspci |
| 21:13.29 | psilocybin | i have a keyboard related problem |
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| 21:13.33 | nooo | hi |
| 21:13.40 | troubled | th1: last time I had to, I just manually edited the init script to output with "tee" to a log file, but then we discovered the output setting :) |
| 21:13.47 | troubled | simonrvn: which one? /etc/rc? |
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| 21:14.01 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, so i need ide_generic, ide_core even if i have only sata drives? |
| 21:14.02 | nooo | I have an issue with my debian compy~ My mouse pointer keeps jumping to the left of my screen. Everytime I try to move it, it just jumps back~ What is going on here? |
| 21:14.06 | simonrvn | /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:14.12 | th1 | troubled, that'd be my last resort, or else climbing into the attic with a keyboard and monitor :) |
| 21:14.14 | mprebello | hi everybody, anyone can help me with my problem? |
| 21:14.14 | mprebello | so, if will i use the command top can i monitor my free memory space? |
| 21:14.17 | psilocybin | i have a laptop, and when i use fn + F5 or F6, it gives a strange keycode, and then kinda freezes the keyboard for X terminal |
| 21:14.18 | troubled | simonrvn: so the verbose one is the one im thinking about? |
| 21:14.23 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS may be, i don't know |
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| 21:14.26 | m-c | Greetings - I am trying to upgrade from Stable to Unstable. Having more than a bit of trouble. Anyone help me with some basic understanding? |
| 21:14.28 | simonrvn | !free memory |
| 21:14.28 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 21:14.37 | simonrvn | mprebello: ^^^ |
| 21:14.48 | psilocybin | any channel about keyboards? |
| 21:14.55 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS but i repeat; blacklisting modules may need a initrd rebuild |
| 21:14.57 | troubled | th1: ouch, ya some debugging can be a pita :) you should consider a cat5 based KVM switch or something like serial terminal |
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| 21:15.14 | CoB-pHoBoS | MES_ke, rebuild, or should an update do the trick also? |
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| 21:15.21 | krlos | hi |
| 21:15.22 | krlos | hola |
| 21:15.33 | th1 | troubled, can serial run over cat6 cable? I have'nt got enough $$ for an ethernet KVM, especially since there's only one server there |
| 21:15.33 | krlos | alguien del equipo de traduccion al espanhol de debian |
| 21:15.40 | madk | aptitude wants to remove gnome-keyring-manager... why? |
| 21:15.42 | simonrvn | !es |
| 21:15.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:15.46 | MES_ke | CoB-pHoBoS of course, update should do the job (update-initrd -u) |
| 21:15.49 | prophet05 | Is there still a package search for packages of woody or prereleases of debian? |
| 21:16.20 | Urfin | I've changed the motherboard and now the network card is detected as eth1. Is there a way to make it forget about the old hardware and make the new card detect as eth0? |
| 21:16.21 | simonrvn | !sdn |
| 21:16.21 | dpkg | from memory, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 21:16.25 | troubled | th1: tbh i dont know how well a cat5/6 cable could work as a serial over longer distances than serial was designed for. while cat may be twisted, i dont know if it would help enough |
| 21:16.40 | th1 | troubled, it's only like 30ft |
| 21:16.51 | simonrvn | prophet05: try looking there. prereleases? like testing? /msg dpkg pdo |
| 21:16.56 | MoonPatrol | the signal is going to attenuate a lot |
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| 21:17.05 | mprebello | it is because when use the command "free" or "top" the command show my memory almost full... |
| 21:17.06 | mprebello | but when i use the cat /proc/meminfo the show memory inactive |
| 21:17.07 | th1 | I suppose I could try if I get desperate enough :) for now I've managed to run it from remote pretty much without incident |
| 21:17.25 | Eulex | prophet05, by hooking up yourself to a woody mirror you can search yourself. but no, I don't believe there is an online web-search for woody anymore... |
| 21:17.29 | th1 | troubled, but I've heard something about ethernet based console |
| 21:17.33 | troubled | th1: might be able to push it a little more with cat5. but i dont know what the serial vs. cat5/6 wire thickness is which would affect the resistance of the wire (impedance) and possibly be even worse |
| 21:17.38 | Eulex | or hmm |
| 21:17.49 | Eulex | !find base-files woody |
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| 21:18.04 | Eulex | <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait. <dpkg> failed. |
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| 21:18.48 | troubled | th1: serial has a shielding as well, cat5/6 uses the twisted pairs to make up for that I think, so it may not work well at all beyond a few feet |
| 21:19.19 | troubled | th1: ask the guys in ##electronics or #electronics perhaps, they would be up on their numbers for something like that I bet |
| 21:19.32 | nooo | I have an issue with my debian compy~ My mouse pointer keeps jumping to the left of my screen. Everytime I try to move it, it just jumps back~ What is going on here? |
| 21:19.58 | th1 | troubled, yeah but it still won't give me BIOS access, and the couple of times I'vehad to "manually" service the server it's been pre-boot issues |
| 21:20.01 | simonrvn | mprebello: read the factoid again ; /msg dpkg free memory |
| 21:20.35 | MES_ke | nooo maybe wrong mouse driver set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:21.14 | MoonPatrol | I CAN'T TAKE THIS KIND OF PRESSURE |
| 21:21.23 | MES_ke | nooo or a second wrong driver like a touch screen is mentioned |
| 21:21.57 | troubled | th1: nah, wont help with that, which is why i suggested a cat5/6 based kvm switch. I think belkin makes some models |
| 21:22.08 | simonrvn | nooo: reconfigure your xserver, you have the wrong protocol set for your mouse |
| 21:22.11 | troubled | th1: should give you about what, 100m without a repeater? |
| 21:22.17 | simonrvn | !drxx nooo |
| 21:22.17 | dpkg | nooo: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 21:22.34 | th1 | troubled, yeah I run gigabit ethernet from the server so that shoudl be fine |
| 21:22.34 | troubled | th1: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=87618 |
| 21:22.50 | th1 | troubled, but it's probably more money than it's worth;) |
| 21:23.01 | troubled | th1: "1280 x 1024 @ 75Hz" for the io bandwidth you got, so bios and bootup should be fine |
| 21:23.05 | th1 | $319 :) |
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| 21:23.10 | th1 | I could get a new raid controller for that |
| 21:23.41 | Urfin | Is there any way to reset all the stored hardware information (or at least pci)? |
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| 21:23.42 | troubled | th1: sure, but then you still need to crawl into your attic with a keyboard everytime you got problems :) |
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| 21:23.52 | adamb | what text based tool can i use to setup network, that it will save it to interfaces file? |
| 21:24.11 | Eulex | vim? |
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| 21:24.20 | adamb | Eulex: id ont know the syntax |
| 21:24.21 | th1 | troubled, or I could just stop messing with my server all the time when it works just fine ;) |
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| 21:24.31 | adamb | thats why im asking for a tool of some kind |
| 21:24.36 | troubled | th1: sure, probably the cheapest way to go too :) |
| 21:24.38 | Eulex | adamb, the man page details it. if you have any specific question, just ask :) |
| 21:24.49 | adamb | i just asked the question. |
| 21:24.58 | adamb | there has to be a too, like setup on redhat'ish distros |
| 21:25.03 | adamb | tool* |
| 21:25.37 | Eulex | do they use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:26.04 | adamb | what? |
| 21:26.18 | SeveredCross | You might be able to use netsetup from Gentoo if there's nothing in Debian. |
| 21:26.22 | SeveredCross | But there should be something in Debian. |
| 21:26.38 | adamb | yeah.. |
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| 21:27.57 | jaggz1 | I don't want to restart my whole system each time I want to print something. But cupsd keeps dying, and I don't have my /dev/usb/lp0 device for some reason |
| 21:28.02 | nooo | MES_ke: I can't figure it out |
| 21:28.02 | simonrvn | yeh, it's called an editor; alternatiely, network-manager (eeew) |
| 21:28.13 | simonrvn | alternaely |
| 21:28.16 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:28.25 | nooo | the mouse works fine up until I open an application |
| 21:28.38 | adamb | simonrvn: what? |
| 21:29.23 | jaggz1 | does anyone have any idea what's wrong? My printer works if I reboot the system.. but after days, or after rebooting without it connected it will not work upon connecting it. There's no /dev/usb/ directory either |
| 21:29.39 | MES_ke | nooo any application? it works unless you start an application and then the mouse gets stuck in a corner? |
| 21:29.54 | adamb | when your consoled in locally to a non x machine, its not ideal with google for answer or read man page and copy syntax to setup network, every other distro has a network setup tool, im guessing ubuntu has to also. |
| 21:29.58 | nooo | Any application |
| 21:30.00 | jaggz1 | there are, however, many devices named: usbdev1.1_ep00 ranging in number |
| 21:30.03 | adamb | debian/ubuntu |
| 21:30.14 | nooo | be it the synaptic package manager or firefox, any application it seems |
| 21:30.25 | nooo | the mouse then jumps to the left side of the screen and stays there |
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| 21:31.21 | AwesomeGuy | why is debian so horrible at using the sound right? |
| 21:31.41 | AwesomeGuy | I can't watch a youtube video and play music at the same time, but I can in windows on the same computer. |
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| 21:32.29 | MES_ke | nooo can you post your xorg.conf |
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| 21:33.48 | jaggz1 | Awesome, I've used kde this time 'round and the sound system seems to work relatively well |
| 21:33.58 | jaggz1 | alsa or artsd or whatever the programs are compiled to use |
| 21:34.03 | nooo | no, it's extremely difficult working in X without a mouse |
| 21:34.19 | MES_ke | AwesomeGuy that may be because youtube="adobe flash" and adobe is using alsa directly. you can configure that in a hard way; there is a interface library for adobe flash. |
| 21:34.20 | jaggz1 | I did have problems with software which was compiled/designed to use a different sound system.. |
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| 21:34.43 | adamb | windows is a much better desktop OS, compatibility wise to get things workign out the box, linux desktops are just a pain in certain cases |
| 21:35.13 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 21:35.22 | adamb | my firefox crashes ona daily basis, had to go to swiftweasle, been a bit more stable. |
| 21:35.26 | troubled | adamb: heh, just about every case :) |
| 21:35.30 | jair | so sorry guys, but how do I configure the terminal connection on linux? the one I configure with com0 or com1... and the 9600 the equivalent at the "Hyperterminal on Windows" |
| 21:35.32 | cloakable | adamb: in some cases, linux is actually easier. much easier. |
| 21:35.50 | jelly-home | jair: minicom |
| 21:35.56 | jair | minicom? |
| 21:36.06 | ugly | I have a user added to the netdev group (logged out and back in to X), but no wireless networks are disabled in network-manager-gnome's nm-applet, in spite of the fact they're seen in 'nm-tool' - what could be causing this? (everything commented out in network/interfaces except loopback) |
| 21:36.06 | nooo | It's a matter of choice, really ~ A windows app will ask "Do you want fries with that?" whereas a linux app will ask "Do you want your fries made from potatoes?" |
| 21:36.22 | jelly-home | jair: minicom is the equivalent of hyperterm or telix |
| 21:36.29 | jaggz1 | where would I find rchotplug? |
| 21:36.32 | ugly | sorry, but no wireless networks are SHOWN in ... * |
| 21:36.36 | adamb | cloakable: windows is hands down much better OS for desktop use though.. in a manner of not wanting to deal with headaches. |
| 21:36.42 | jaggz1 | this doc says restarting the rchotplug system might get my printer working agin |
| 21:37.00 | DarenM | guys please help i am in spain and i am locked out of my hotel room on ther balcony |
| 21:37.08 | jaggz1 | lol |
| 21:37.17 | DarenM | please call this number and tell them to come to room 703 that we are locked out +34952372477 |
| 21:37.19 | DarenM | Please |
| 21:37.20 | DarenM | lol |
| 21:37.20 | jair | jelly-home: is that a gnu package? |
| 21:37.23 | cloakable | adamb: like bluescreening on boot because I have two nvidia cards? :P |
| 21:37.24 | DarenM | this fucking sucks |
| 21:37.26 | adamb | flash in linux is a headache, took me 3 months to figure out a way to not have my browser crash several times a day. |
| 21:37.35 | jelly-home | jair: gnu? |
| 21:37.38 | gnuSnob | damn this apt crap pisses me off. apt has the potential to be a good package manager.. but it craps out so much with "can't stat something" |
| 21:37.38 | DarenM | please call and tell them to come to room 703 and let us in +34952372477 |
| 21:37.43 | DarenM | PLEASE anyone |
| 21:37.53 | DarenM | I only have wifi access i am seven stories up |
| 21:38.01 | jair | yes |
| 21:38.06 | adamb | cloakable: lmao windows is light years ahead of linux with video cars in general |
| 21:38.07 | jaggz1 | and you expect us to believe you can't just climb down? |
| 21:38.10 | jelly-home | jair: it's in debian; I have no idea whether it's GNU or what you really mean |
| 21:38.10 | troubled | DarenM: so, this "hotel" gives you internet access but no web page to send staff messages? |
| 21:38.12 | dondelelcaro | DarenM: this isn't the appropriate place to ask; try #social or similar. |
| 21:38.20 | jaggz1 | troubled, is that typical? |
| 21:38.28 | jair | GNU/linux part of the free software |
| 21:38.28 | dondelelcaro | DarenM: or some other spain specific channel. |
| 21:38.30 | jaggz1 | well.. don't jump DarenM |
| 21:38.35 | cloakable | adamb: then why didn't x.org crash with the same setup? |
| 21:38.53 | adamb | I had to apt 20+ packages and read 5 articles on how to get my dual monitor working with a nvidia quardo |
| 21:38.59 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: it'd help you if you told us what specific problem you were having. |
| 21:39.01 | jair | I just need to be able of connect through a serial terminal to a device so i can configure it |
| 21:39.09 | cloakable | haha |
| 21:39.19 | dondelelcaro | adamb: eh? you just install the lenny version of xorg and run xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of VGA2; |
| 21:39.52 | adamb | dondelelcaro: yeah, and is that command pasted on the front page of ubuntu.com ? |
| 21:40.05 | dondelelcaro | adamb: uh... this is #debian, not #ubuntu. |
| 21:40.22 | adamb | yes, i tried with ubuntu and debian.. |
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| 21:40.33 | adamb | and that doesn't work with quadro and dual monitors |
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| 21:40.42 | dondelelcaro | adamb: sure it does; I'm using it right this second. |
| 21:41.00 | smudge__ | guys when is linux be any good for games |
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| 21:41.10 | Eulex | it is already good for games |
| 21:41.12 | dondelelcaro | smudge__: depends on the game and the game developers. |
| 21:41.15 | troxor | is there any way to change the logging directory for preseed? There doesn't seem to be any mention of logging in the docs at d-i.alioth.debian.org |
| 21:41.20 | dondelelcaro | smudge__: has little to do with the operating system itself. |
| 21:41.22 | Eulex | it is the games that aren't good enough for it :) |
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| 21:41.34 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I play amr files? |
| 21:41.39 | smudge__ | i'd get linux but its crap for games |
| 21:41.47 | smudge__ | its like a novelty if youre playing something |
| 21:41.53 | smudge__ | thats no good for competitive gaming |
| 21:42.02 | dondelelcaro | smudge__: so don't use linux then; it's your choice. |
| 21:42.06 | MES_ke | gonzaloaf amr? what was that again? |
| 21:42.07 | adamb | dondelelcaro: nope on on this dell |
| 21:42.14 | adamb | not on this dell* |
| 21:42.18 | dondelelcaro | adamb: are you using the nv drivers? which version of X are you using? |
| 21:42.32 | dondelelcaro | adamb: have you modified your xorg.conf at all from the version that Debian ships by default? |
| 21:42.37 | jaggz1 | if I call long distance, can someone get any of my information about my phone #? |
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| 21:42.42 | gonzaloaf | MES_ke, *.amr are the format of voice recording on my nokia phone |
| 21:42.44 | smudge__ | linux shoots itself in the foot when it comes to all things gaming related |
| 21:43.01 | dondelelcaro | smudge__: that's great, but it's not on topic here. Harrange ##linux if you want. |
| 21:43.21 | smudge__ | theyve banned me |
| 21:43.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:43.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@user-54464f1b.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:43.31 | dondelelcaro | gee, I wonder why? |
| 21:43.52 | troubled | jaggz1: google for "telephone ANI" perhaps |
| 21:44.03 | gnuSnob | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to run "aptitude install linux-source-debian.." |
| 21:44.16 | troubled | dondelelcaro: hey, while youre here, you have that auto bleh ported to xhcat by chance? |
| 21:44.27 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: there's no such package |
| 21:44.30 | dondelelcaro | troubled: nope |
| 21:44.45 | Eulex | !tell gnuSnob about search |
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| 21:44.48 | dondelelcaro | troubled: feel free to take the code and port it, though; I don't use xchat at all. |
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| 21:45.23 | troubled | dondelelcaro: nor I, but I know a chanop using xchat thats looking for something similar. i know they have perl in xchat2, but no idea how much diff the api is etc. |
| 21:45.31 | gnuSnob | dondelelcaro: the full string is linux-source-debian-2.6.18 |
| 21:45.34 | gnuSnob | is that correct |
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| 21:45.39 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: no, it's not. |
| 21:45.47 | gnuSnob | that's what I get from running apt-cache search linux-source |
| 21:45.52 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: there's no such package in Debian. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 21:46.10 | gnuSnob | i need to get the kernel source installed, so I can build a driver |
| 21:46.18 | Eulex | gnuSnob, you misread. |
| 21:46.22 | gnuSnob | (it's a wifi driver) |
| 21:46.27 | Eulex | try that search again. |
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| 21:46.32 | gnuSnob | k.. thanks for pointing that out. |
| 21:46.39 | gnuSnob | retries apt-cache search |
| 21:47.17 | jaggz1 | have any of you called yet? |
| 21:47.37 | jaggz1 | I'll do it.. the phone number is listed as an actual hotel so why not... |
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| 21:48.16 | gnuSnob | ah.. much better.. thanks folks! I think I saw the "debian" substring when I googled the apt-cache results |
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| 21:48.51 | gnuSnob | begins a 42 MB download over dialup |
| 21:48.53 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: almost any driver that you'd want to install is probably packaged, and can be installed using m-a a-i drivername; |
| 21:48.53 | lem21h | hello |
| 21:48.53 | jaggz1 | family member at my place is on the phone with her CC company so I can't use it yet.. |
| 21:49.06 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: you probably don't need all of the source package, anyway. |
| 21:49.07 | lem21h | could any one tell me how to compile php5-ssh2 module ? |
| 21:49.46 | m-c | Tried to upgrade from Stable to Unstable and received a lot of repository errors, saying 'stat' not found, try running apt-get update - which did not fix the issue. Anyone know what is going on? |
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| 21:50.14 | Eulex | gnuSnob, compiling most drivers only needs the kernel headers |
| 21:50.15 | lem21h | try run apt-get install |
| 21:50.22 | lem21h | try run apt-get -f install |
| 21:50.27 | m-c | lem21h: thank you |
| 21:50.38 | m-c | I'll see if it boots any more... :( |
| 21:50.58 | jaggz1 | noone's in #spain by the way.. are none of you willing to call a hotel in spain? what's the worst that could happen? "ha. hah. monkeys always look." ? |
| 21:51.01 | vjoe | cya |
| 21:51.17 | Eulex | m-c, run apt-get update again. look for errors. |
| 21:51.34 | lem21h | or try aptitude |
| 21:51.36 | gnuSnob | dondelelcaro: well it has a zydas chipset.. I'll see what I can find |
| 21:51.36 | gnuSnob | Eulex: is there a package that just gives the headers? |
| 21:51.40 | m-c | Thanks |
| 21:51.44 | Eulex | gnuSnob, yes. |
| 21:51.57 | Eulex | linux-headers-* |
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| 21:52.03 | m-c | Eulex: I ran apt-get dist-upgrade -- that is the right command? |
| 21:52.21 | gnuSnob | dondelelcaro: not sure what you mean by "m-a a-i" |
| 21:52.23 | gnuSnob | Eulex: thanks |
| 21:52.31 | Eulex | m-c, yes, but you need your apt-get update to succeed firstly. in any case, what is your *exact* error you receive? |
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| 21:52.43 | Eulex | gnuSnob, m-a is short for module-assistant |
| 21:52.51 | dondelelcaro | gnuSnob: madwifi may support that card; m-a is part of module-assistant, which handles building these sorts of things automatically. |
| 21:52.53 | m-c | Does the apt-get dist-upgrade have to be run without GDM running? Because I tried to go to both lenny and sid, and both killed gnome as it processed |
| 21:52.56 | Eulex | and a-i is short for auto-install |
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| 21:53.19 | dondelelcaro | m-c: no, it doesn't; it shouldn't kill gdm either. |
| 21:53.38 | Eulex | you should really run upgrades in a screen though |
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| 21:53.48 | m-c | Eulex: Sorry, cannot give you the exact error. I had to reboot since my session had barfed. I will write it down next time I see it. |
| 21:54.06 | m-c | Thanks again for your advice. |
| 21:54.11 | dashs | How to make scsi drives be named before faux-scsi usb drives? |
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| 21:54.19 | Eulex | m-c, my guess is that your apt-get update didn't succeed, for some reason or another. that can give |
| 21:54.20 | Eulex | bleh |
| 21:54.21 | dondelelcaro | dashs: use udev rules. |
| 21:55.03 | nosferatu | whois |
| 21:55.17 | dashs | dondelelcaro: easy for you to say. |
| 21:55.23 | dondelelcaro | dashs: though my personal suggestion is to use specific symlink rules so it doesn't matter what /dev/sd*; a device gets. |
| 21:55.41 | nosferatu | #whois |
| 21:56.08 | dondelelcaro | dashs: it's not very hard; /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 21:56.34 | dashs | dondelelcaro: ok, thanx, I'll try. |
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| 21:57.11 | dondelelcaro | (you can also use volume ids instead in your fstab if you want) |
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| 22:07.58 | tavito | Hi, is there any way to go back from a package upgrade done via apt-get? where can I find older revisions of packages in the repository? |
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| 22:08.44 | Eulex | !sdn |
| 22:08.44 | dpkg | from memory, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
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| 22:09.56 | tavito | thanks, I just want to move back the compiz packages that are broken since last week upgrade or so. |
| 22:11.41 | ArthurArchnix | I lost most of 2004 to drinking. |
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| 22:12.24 | juankar | buenas |
| 22:12.38 | juankar | como puedo cambiar password aqui ... del nick ???? |
| 22:12.43 | Eulex | !es |
| 22:12.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:15.46 | jaggz1 | it really has to say the printer is idle? |
| 22:16.10 | dryrot | Google News Alert for: hans reiser Hans Reiser Offers To Lead Cops to Nina's Body |
| 22:17.51 | jaggz1 | there's no message for, "you blindly inserted the usb cable in the back of the printer 1 inch too high, which happens to have a square gap between the lid and the printer body -- and even if they said, 'are you sure it's plugged in?' you'd say, 'yup! I did it myself -- it clicked right into the fat usb connector!'" |
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| 22:18.15 | ArthurArchnix | I've got a pretty stable internet connection, so long as I don't fire up transmission. Then after a few seconds I get disconnected. It's almost like my router is kicking me off. I've checked transmissions logs and no errors appear. I can use utorrent on a windows box without problem. And I can use transmission with the neighbours connection. Based on that... I have to think I'm looking at a specific problem with my setup and my router. But sans the e |
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| 22:18.22 | ma3x | can someone tell me how to setup tvout via svideo for intel gma965 chipset? |
| 22:19.32 | Kotte | I'm having troubles with my system. aptitude does not work and says the following: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct |
| 22:19.36 | Kotte | the problem." |
| 22:20.03 | Kotte | and doing that I get a lots of errors, ending with: dpkg: too many errors, stopping |
| 22:20.14 | Kotte | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:265: process_queue: Assertion `!queue.length' failed. Aborted |
| 22:20.14 | dpkg | You are moron #34, Kotte |
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| 22:20.37 | Kotte | What should I do? |
| 22:21.07 | fales | ./ |
| 22:22.25 | jelly-home | Kotte: for starters, pastebin the complete output of dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:22.38 | jelly-home | Kotte: which debian release are you using? |
| 22:23.11 | Kotte | jelly-home: ok. Will do. Lenny |
| 22:23.19 | badcfe | hello. i just installed a kernel with fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 22:24.00 | badcfe | it panics saying cant mount .. something about VFS |
| 22:24.04 | badcfe | what did i miss? |
| 22:24.09 | jelly-home | badcfe: --initrd |
| 22:24.27 | badcfe | jelly-home: probably yes. |
| 22:24.37 | badcfe | jelly-home: where do i specify that? |
| 22:24.48 | jelly-home | badcfe: as an option to make-kpkg |
| 22:25.01 | badcfe | oh. i must redo huh ok. |
| 22:25.07 | badcfe | /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.7.030320: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x801, swap_dev 0x1, Normal VGA |
| 22:25.29 | badcfe | file report. hmm. root_dev is not 0x900 as previous one |
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| 22:26.07 | Gm4n | ok, I'm very confused... I'm logged into a server, and there's an apt-get, but it seems to be checking ayo.freshrpms.net. I've been told it's debian, but yum is installed. How do I tell? |
| 22:26.22 | jelly-home | badcfe: not really relevant. but if you used debian's .config as a starting point, chances are some of the drivers required to mount your root fs are built as modules |
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| 22:26.50 | jelly-home | badcfe: thus necessitating (sp?) the use of initramfs/initrd |
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| 22:27.10 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: it's almost certainly not; an obvious method to check is what /etc/apt/sources.list says, and whether dpkg exists. |
| 22:27.17 | badcfe | does fakeroot make-kpkg --append-version=.fb --initrd kernel_image |
| 22:27.22 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: /etc/debian_version; and apt-cache policy; will also clue you in |
| 22:27.24 | Gm4n | no dpkg, crap :( |
| 22:27.56 | jelly-home | Gm4n: it's not debian. |
| 22:27.56 | Gm4n | any easy way to check the OS? |
| 22:28.09 | Gm4n | and any easy way to turn it into debian? O:) |
| 22:28.13 | jelly-home | Gm4n: lsb_release, perchance |
| 22:28.45 | Gm4n | ah, there's a /etc/redhat-release. d'oh :( |
| 22:28.58 | Gm4n | I suppose this builds character, though |
| 22:29.16 | jelly-home | Gm4n: lsb_release -a, even |
| 22:29.26 | Kotte | Here is output from dpkg --configure -a: http://rafb.net/p/o4fgJk86.html |
| 22:29.29 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: you can use debtakeover or similar, but it'd probably be easier to just reinstall unless that's not an option. |
| 22:29.48 | Gm4n | might be an option now, but not for now |
| 22:30.11 | dondelelcaro | Kotte: you need to install libpod-usage-perl; and then it should work. |
| 22:30.37 | jelly-home | Kotte: there's a number of errors in there, start with the first, "Can't locate Pod/Usage.pm in @INC ", like dondelelcaro says |
| 22:30.40 | dondelelcaro | Kotte: actually scratch that; |
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| 22:31.10 | jelly-home | !find /Pod/Usage.pm lenny |
| 22:31.14 | dondelelcaro | Kotte: the foundation of your problem is that perl-base hasn't been updated yet. |
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| 22:31.31 | dondelelcaro | Kotte: you need to do that step first, possibly by apt-get install perl-base; or similar, and then complete the install. |
| 22:31.42 | Kotte | I see |
| 22:32.00 | jelly-home | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_<TAB>, possibly |
| 22:32.00 | dpkg | package /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_<TAB>, possibly is already installed |
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| 22:32.13 | jelly-home | dpkg: fuck off! |
| 22:32.13 | dpkg | you too, you cunt |
| 22:32.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/Pod/Usage.pm' (2): (/usr/lib/perl5/PDL/Pod/Usage.pm) in math/pdl ;; (/usr/share/perl/5.10.0/Pod/Usage.pm) in perl/perl-modules. |
| 22:33.17 | Kotte | apt-get or aptitude wont work. But I'm trying with dpkg as jelly-home said now |
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| 22:37.14 | Elive_user18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.27 | Kotte | good that helped. Now the errors starts from the line 13 in the paste. "ucf depends ..." |
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| 22:38.17 | Kotte | Should I continue doing the same thing here, by installing debconf, and so on? |
| 22:38.28 | poseidon | Does the nvidia one-liner work very well? I'm using etch |
| 22:39.00 | jelly-home | Elive_user18: 1) we can only help with debian, not elive 2) newer xorg and xserver-xorg-video-intel, and using intel driver instead of i810 supposedly work better |
| 22:39.14 | poseidon | I have an intel 32bit with an nvidia geforce 8500gt |
| 22:39.45 | Elive_user18 | yea, I've heard about xserver-xorg-video-intel, this elive/debian does not come with it... I guess can I just install that package? |
| 22:39.59 | jelly-home | Kotte: when you try dpkg --configure -a again? |
| 22:40.04 | th1 | is there anything like ksysguard for gnome? with configurable sensors etc? |
| 22:40.12 | Kotte | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:40.15 | poseidon | (I wan't to use the proprietary driver because I want to work with ogre3d and the openGL 3d rendering system). |
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| 22:40.31 | jelly-home | Kotte: yeah, what you suggested sounds reasonable |
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| 22:41.16 | Kotte | ok I'll try. Thanks for the help both of you, jelly-home and dondelelcaro. |
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| 22:44.02 | ma3x | why iceweasel gets so slow when you open multiple flash websites? |
| 22:44.07 | ma3x | is there a way to speed up that? |
| 22:46.38 | Kotte | ok, next problem. Have dependency problem with libc6. Trying to install the newest libc6 with dpkg won't work since it conflicts with tzdata. |
| 22:47.02 | beered | how can i allow only certain referrer to access my website? |
| 22:47.04 | beered | I need everybody from xyz.com to be able to see dir listing, everybody else should be banned. |
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| 22:47.52 | badcfe | jelly-home: i did as you said. now its booting and with uname -a is see that its the one i now run |
| 22:47.56 | AwesomeGuy | why is the sound quality not as good on debian as windows? |
| 22:48.25 | badcfe | jelly-home: however, the framebuffer is not active. it was enabled in the menuconfig .... |
| 22:48.28 | m-c | Hello - Regarding my failed upgrades, I used -f to force past the errors, and I believed that resolved all the issues. Thank you for your assistance. |
| 22:48.55 | jelly-home | badcfe: video=whateverdriver to kernel options, you need to add |
| 22:49.19 | badcfe | oh k ... |
| 22:51.18 | badcfe | jelly-home: on the kernel line after root=/dev/sda1 ro ill add vga=773 aparently |
| 22:51.55 | jelly-home | badcfe: add those either to "# kopt=... "or "# defoptions=..."; I use "# defoptions=vga=0x369 video=intelfb:accel=1 [... cut some more crap], then update-grub after changing |
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| 22:52.15 | badcfe | jelly-home: maybe i compiled the kernel for nothing? the framebuffer is only compiled in in the default debian kernel? |
| 22:52.55 | jelly-home | badcfe: grep for it in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 22:53.30 | jelly-home | badcfe: the ones I use, vesafb or intelfb, are already present (but both require setting the mode with vga=...) |
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| 22:56.44 | badcfe | jelly-home: i must rerun update-grub after appending vga=773 in menu.lst? |
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| 22:57.47 | jelly-home | badcfe: depends on where you add it. if you do it the recommended way, you add it on the "# kopt=..." line and use update-grub which will change the actual command lines for all the kernels |
| 22:58.10 | badcfe | jelly-home: ah i grepped i see ... CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y |
| 22:58.47 | rcbarnes | Anyone here have FF3b2 working on a copy of amd64 Lenny? The "install" seems to consist of extracting the distributed archive and just running the binary from inside there, but that doesn't work for me. (I get libaries not being found that are present in the usual places.) |
| 22:58.54 | jelly-home | badcfe: grep CONFIG_FB_VESA (or s/VESA/whichever you use/)? |
| 22:58.56 | badcfe | jelly-home: oh that "# kopt=..." is really a commented line and kept like it wosh |
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| 22:59.13 | jelly-home | badcfe: DO NOT UNCOMMENT |
| 22:59.30 | jelly-home | badcfe: just edit it :-) |
| 22:59.54 | badcfe | i see. grub dont reads it, but update-grub does heh |
| 23:00.24 | jelly-home | badcfe: basically update-grub is a preprocessor which changes real grub config based on a couple of "special" comments |
| 23:00.36 | badcfe | jelly-home: where do i get the number X in that vga=X ? |
| 23:01.10 | trifler | 773 = 1024x768 as far as i know |
| 23:01.12 | jelly-home | badcfe: Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 23:01.32 | badcfe | jelly-home: ah ok. thanks |
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| 23:02.09 | jelly-home | badcfe: you can use hexadecimal now, no need for 773 |
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| 23:05.25 | robin | anyone here have mucho experience with ipvs and ssl termination? |
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| 23:05.50 | poseidon | Does the nvidia one-liner work very well? I'm using etch |
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| 23:06.07 | robin | I've got ipvs working and load balancing the way I want it to... but now I want to terminate ssl sessions on the IPVS host as well, and I'm not sure the best way to do that. I can't get it to work with pound. |
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| 23:09.13 | varney | could someone help me stop what i think is a DOS attack? it doesn't appear to be logged by mod_cband for some reason... http://pastebin.com/d4aeb75f9 |
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| 23:11.19 | ProN00b | entries in .ssh/authorized_keys2 are for login from remote with a keyfile, right ? |
| 23:11.57 | alturiak | it should be .ssh/authorized_keys by default |
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| 23:12.05 | alturiak | but you can change that in your sshd_config |
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| 23:13.05 | JordiGH | Is there a good hg gui? |
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| 23:14.13 | ProN00b | alturiak, but whats that file for ? |
| 23:14.49 | emss | JordiGH: what's hg? |
| 23:14.54 | JordiGH | Mercurial. |
| 23:14.57 | JordiGH | !mercurial |
| 23:14.58 | JordiGH | !hg |
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| 23:15.02 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 23:15.15 | JordiGH | Well, the CMS. |
| 23:15.36 | emss | JordiGH: check mercurial website? |
| 23:16.22 | emss | JordiGH: apt-cache search mercurial seems to list a few guis |
| 23:16.38 | JordiGH | I was looking for an informed recommendation. :-) |
| 23:16.54 | JordiGH | checks out qct |
| 23:17.29 | emss | JordiGH: try #mercurial and it's mailing list |
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| 23:23.33 | JordiGH | Ugh, man does KDE 3.5 look ugly compared to Gnome 2.22 |
| 23:23.45 | JordiGH | Can't wait for KDE4 to trickle down to unstable or testing to try it out. |
| 23:23.50 | karsten | ProN00b: authorize_keys? |
| 23:24.16 | karsten | ProN00b: It's a list of keys which are authorized to access a given account. It allows/enables RSAKey access (passwordless access) via SSH. |
| 23:24.40 | ProN00b | coolio |
| 23:24.47 | ProN00b | so if i don't want that, rm ? |
| 23:24.58 | ProN00b | hoster seems to have put them there by default |
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| 23:25.07 | ProN00b | is that a common/respected practice ? |
| 23:25.18 | karsten | ProN00b: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ |
| 23:25.49 | karsten | ProN00b: Its presence or absense itself doesn't do anything. Perms have to be right (it must *not* be group/world writeable). |
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| 23:26.16 | karsten | ProN00b: ... and you might want to check that it doesn't include any keys you aren't familiar with. You could be allowing someone else to access your account. |
| 23:26.16 | ProN00b | root only rw |
| 23:26.32 | ProN00b | yeah, the hoster put theirs there by default |
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| 23:26.53 | karsten | ProN00b: This is a root user, hosting account, or shell access, non-root user? |
| 23:26.57 | ProN00b | root |
| 23:27.33 | karsten | ProN00b: OK. For root I would strongly encourage that you use SSH Public Key auth rather than shared password. |
| 23:27.58 | karsten | Even if you think you're the only person with the password, if you manage your own key(s), you might get a quicker assessment of any unauthorized access. |
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| 23:28.35 | ProN00b | huh ? |
| 23:28.38 | mm | I have a problem with Gnome running on Debian Etch. I am running an iMac G3 and don't assume I know what I'm doing since I don't really. This is my first time using Debian and the only other Linux distro I've used was Ubuntu but I didn't have any problems and I wasn't running it on a ppc. (Don't suggest I go to the ppc one IRC.. very VERY hard to get help in a slow IRC to realize that nobody knows what my problem is) |
| 23:28.48 | karsten | ProN00b: Better: *disallow* root logins, use sudo, log in as a nonprivileged user, and sudo to root (or run commands via sudo) as needed. |
| 23:28.58 | ProN00b | karsten, why ? |
| 23:29.04 | karsten | mm: What's your problem? |
| 23:29.07 | mm | When I start up.. I get errors. A bunch of windows asking if I want to delete some Gnome thing and one thing saying Bonobo won't start and Nautlius wont start and Gnome Settings error |
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| 23:29.10 | karsten | ProN00b: Audit trail |
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| 23:29.32 | mm | KFCE or whatever works and so does KDE but they suck |
| 23:29.34 | karsten | ProN00b: Root logins show up as root". You have no idea who the person actually is. W/ sudo you can at least track the login to a given account. |
| 23:29.48 | karsten | mm: As what user? |
| 23:29.52 | ProN00b | yeah, to one other |
| 23:29.59 | ProN00b | which is also accessed by me |
| 23:30.02 | ProN00b | you make no sense |
| 23:30.04 | mm | karsten: My user account. |
| 23:30.15 | karsten | ProN00b: If you ever scale out, this becomes very good practice. |
| 23:30.21 | ProN00b | i won't |
| 23:30.39 | _Sketch_ | Anyone else have trouble with their computer freezing up when the screen is blanked with the lid closed or blanks after the lid is closed? |
| 23:31.01 | karsten | ProN00b: There are a lot of shitty security practices which make sense when n=1, or when all network access si local, or whatever, but really bite your ass down the road. If you start with good habits now you don't have to unlearn the bad ones later. |
| 23:31.32 | karsten | _Sketch_: I've had that for various reasons, including conflicts w/ GL screensavers and my graphics card, had to remove those screensavers. |
| 23:31.38 | karsten | _Sketch_: Could be other issues as well. |
| 23:31.59 | _Sketch_ | karsten: Hm. Thanks. I'll poke around. |
| 23:32.02 | karsten | mm: Try creating a new account and see if you've got the same problems. If so the issue isn't with your configs (necessarially). |
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| 23:32.33 | karsten | _Sketch_: You should have /var/log/Xorg.0.log and/or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 23:32.41 | karsten | _Sketch_: They might also contain clues. |
| 23:32.45 | mm | karsten: okay i'll try. i'll be back |
| 23:33.28 | JordiGH | Hm, is there a way to make Emacs the default text editor in Gnome? Gedit looks nice, but it's not thermonuclear like Emacs. |
| 23:33.31 | mm | karsten: in the sessions list what is "failsafe gnome"? just curious? |
| 23:33.42 | karsten | ProN00b: OTOH, I shouldn't bitch too much. People with attitudes like yours contribute significantly to my paycheck. |
| 23:33.51 | mm | wasn't supposed to have a questionmark at the end of "curious"... |
| 23:33.53 | karsten | mm: Not sure. Try it and see :) |
| 23:34.00 | karsten | mm: I think it's just a terminal or something. |
| 23:34.08 | mm | karsten: i'll just use KDE to make an account |
| 23:34.22 | _Sketch_ | karsten: I don't seem to have an ~/.xscreensaver file at all. :/ |
| 23:34.24 | karsten | mm: Traditionally "failsafe" X just launches an xterm. |
| 23:34.36 | karsten | _Sketch_: OK, problem's probably elsewhere. |
| 23:34.50 | JordiGH | Heh, X without a window manager. |
| 23:35.12 | ProN00b | karsten, don't worry, i won't |
| 23:35.13 | karsten | _Sketch_: Bad video cards/drivers can still kill Linux. Options are: bad hardware, bad driver, or bad software. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to determine which. |
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| 23:35.39 | _Sketch_ | karsten: Good times as always. ;) |
| 23:35.43 | mm | karsten: how do I made a new account? lmao |
| 23:35.46 | karsten | _Sketch_: What's the card? What driver? Pasting /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be useful. |
| 23:35.51 | karsten | _Sketch_: Bingo. |
| 23:35.58 | karsten | mm: 'adduser' |
| 23:36.07 | mm | karsten: through terminal? |
| 23:36.18 | karsten | mm: Or console. <ctrl><alt><F1> |
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| 23:36.41 | mm | karsten: alright. |
| 23:36.55 | mm | aggh it's hard to think when the iMac G3 has an unbelievably loud hard drive |
| 23:37.10 | tzanger | good afternoon... a quick question... there is a command I can give to apt or dpkg to dump a list of every package installed on the system (useful for reinstalling) .. does anyone have the command handy? |
| 23:37.34 | mm | karsten: in console i logged in as me |
| 23:37.42 | _Sketch_ | tzanger: dpkg -l will give you all the packages... |
| 23:37.44 | mm | karsten: typing "adduser" doesnt seem to do anything.. not a command |
| 23:38.14 | tzanger | _Sketch_: hmm close... I wonder if I can get it to not chop the names off |
| 23:38.26 | _Sketch_ | tzanger: I'll poke around. |
| 23:38.48 | JordiGH | tzanger: dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:38.50 | th1 | I have a debian server, which is not supposed to do anything with mail, but I'd like any mails to local users to be sent to my main account on a different server, what's the easiest way to accomplish this? |
| 23:39.05 | tzanger | JordiGH: that sounds right! |
| 23:39.13 | JordiGH | and I keep forgetting where the clone factoid is. |
| 23:39.14 | tzanger | yes that is the one! |
| 23:39.19 | tzanger | thanks guys! |
| 23:39.27 | _Sketch_ | tzanger: Hold on. :) |
| 23:39.37 | JordiGH | tzanger: I think you can also use dpkg --set-selections for easier cloning, but I forget what the local lore was on that. |
| 23:40.25 | JordiGH | !debian clone |
| 23:40.25 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 23:40.43 | _Sketch_ | bows to JordiGH. |
| 23:40.45 | JordiGH | !aptitude clone |
| 23:40.45 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 23:40.58 | JordiGH | !botsnack |
| 23:40.58 | dpkg | JordiGH: aw, gee |
| 23:41.03 | tzanger | hmm |
| 23:41.09 | _Sketch_ | Awesome. |
| 23:41.23 | karsten | mm: 'sudo adduser'. You may have to install the command: 'sudo aptitude install adduser' |
| 23:41.30 | mm | karsten: okay |
| 23:41.35 | tzanger | that's with aptitude, --get and --set-selections for dpkg then I assume |
| 23:41.38 | JordiGH | I kinda am hoping that bot snacks make dpkg float as if it were high on THC. |
| 23:41.57 | JordiGH | karsten: Isn't adduser part of the base install? |
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| 23:42.18 | JordiGH | Priority: important |
| 23:42.41 | mm | karsten: created account |
| 23:42.50 | JordiGH | Oh, is it a Debian script? I thought adduser was everywhere. I'm so used to it! |
| 23:42.51 | mm | karsten: how do i get back to the log..in screen or whatever |
| 23:42.56 | mm | karsten: not in the console |
| 23:43.19 | _Sketch_ | adduser is a script. Not having it is kinda frightening. |
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| 23:46.21 | mm | 2asrten- gn60e st533 d6esnt start 64* |
| 23:46.25 | mm | s6rry brb |
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| 23:47.12 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 23:47.18 | mm | THE FN KEY IS STUCK OR SOMETHING IN THIS LAPTOP RUNNING W5NDOWS XP WHAT SHOULD I DO TO MAKE TYPING NORMAL |
| 23:47.34 | mm | works again |
| 23:47.41 | mm | karsten: gnome still doesnt work. |
| 23:47.41 | JordiGH | cheers. |
| 23:48.34 | tzanger | wtf |
| 23:48.35 | tzanger | gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file `/home/andrew/.gnupg/gpg.conf' |
| 23:48.49 | tzanger | $ ls -l /home/andrew/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 23:48.49 | tzanger | -rw------- 1 andrew andrew 8101 2007-09-01 00:11 /home/andrew/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 23:48.52 | tzanger | unsafe ownership? |
| 23:49.31 | gpg | i didnt say that |
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| 23:50.40 | mm | karsten: i still get gnome errors anyways. |
| 23:50.47 | mm | nautilus can't be used now, due to an unexpected error |
| 23:50.52 | mm | there was an error starting the gnome settings manager |
| 23:51.04 | mm | there was a problem registering the panel with bonobo-activation server |
| 23:51.07 | mm | thats all of em |
| 23:51.19 | JordiGH | mm: do you have permission to write to your home directory? |
| 23:51.25 | jelly-home | Fn-Numlock makes people wr5te f4nn53y |
| 23:51.31 | mm | JordiGH: what do you mean? as root? |
| 23:51.44 | JordiGH | mm: No, as ordinary user. Did you mess up permissions? |
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| 23:51.59 | mm | JordiGH: not sure-how do i check if i have permissions? |
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| 23:52.26 | JordiGH | mm: ls -ld /home/$USER |
| 23:53.16 | mm | drwxr-xr-x 26 john john 4096 1904-01-01 03:02 /home/john |
| 23:53.40 | JordiGH | that looks fine... Although why do you have such a low userid? That's supposed to be for system users. |
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| 23:53.57 | JordiGH | mm: "touch foo", that works too? |
| 23:53.57 | mm | JordiGH: what do you mean? |
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| 23:54.33 | JordiGH | Userids below 100 (yours is 26) are supposedly reserved for system users, but maybe that has changed recently (or is a bug). I remember that adduser recently did something like that with me too. |
| 23:54.48 | epoxy | http://www.getfirefox.com work for you? |
| 23:55.16 | epoxy | timeing out for me for some reason |
| 23:55.24 | rcbarnes | When I run installs lately, the "Writing extended state information... " step seems to take over an order of magnitude or two longer than it used to. Is there a common cause for that? |
| 23:55.24 | mm | epoxy: well there's some pledging thing |
| 23:55.38 | mm | epoxy: apparently they're trying to set the world record for most downloaded software in 24 hours... not sure if it's today or not. |
| 23:55.48 | epoxy | ah |
| 23:55.52 | epoxy | cant get to mizilla.com |
| 23:55.56 | JordiGH | Most slashdotted site. |
| 23:55.58 | mm | everyone i have to go eat |
| 23:55.59 | epoxy | mozilla.com * |
| 23:56.07 | epoxy | i remember that |
| 23:56.15 | mm | i hope they win the guinness world record |
| 23:56.21 | mm | maybe just because |
| 23:56.23 | mm | too much traffic |
| 23:56.27 | mm | with the pledges and all |
| 23:56.46 | mm | let me try it with windows hold on |
| 23:56.56 | mm | yup |
| 23:56.57 | epoxy | guess s0o..the host is still up |
| 23:56.58 | mm | timed out |
| 23:57.01 | epoxy | site is just down |
| 23:57.09 | epoxy | good suff |
| 23:57.11 | epoxy | *stuff |
| 23:57.21 | mm | breaking a world record takes lots of traffic! |
| 23:57.25 | mm | PRODUCTIVE |
| 23:57.39 | epoxy | heh... evidently so. especially if what ever they had couldn't handle it |
| 23:57.48 | mm | make sure when it's up, you pledge |
| 23:58.00 | epoxy | i will..forgot all about it |
| 23:58.02 | mm | and then when download day comes, you get your ass down there and download :P |
| 23:58.06 | tim_s_ | mm: 1904-01-01 03:02 ? got the right time on your machine |
| 23:58.18 | epoxy | Fri Jun 6 19:58:09 UTC 2008 |
| 23:58.28 | epoxy | ? |
| 23:58.29 | mm | it's not 1904? |
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| 23:58.32 | mm | well |
| 23:58.35 | mm | i turned off my imac, sorry |
| 23:58.44 | mm | i have to go somewhere but i'll be back getting help with this |
| 23:58.49 | mm | i have to go eat (suggest what to eat if you want) |
| 23:58.52 | dwschool | installed php5 but my browser is still wanting to save the files |
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| 23:58.58 | mm | restaurant i mean |
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| 23:59.18 | dwschool | running apache2 |
| 23:59.20 | mm | bye |
| 23:59.29 | dwschool | what could be wrong |
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| 23:59.47 | PiousMinion | Anyone know why mencoder(part of mplayer) is not included with any release of debian? |
