| 00:00.16 | poseidon | owen1, what is the specific name of the window manager you want? |
| 00:00.27 | owen1 | superfirelord42: awesome |
| 00:00.31 | owen1 | poseidon: awesome |
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| 00:00.57 | owen1 | poseidon: if u hate the mouse, u should try it. |
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| 00:01.34 | poseidon | owen1, I'm a big fan of keyboard shortcuts, so I might take a look at it |
| 00:02.07 | superfirelord42 | awsome!!! |
| 00:02.30 | owen1 | poseidon: it has tabs (similar to workspace) and you open many terminals in each, if u want. |
| 00:02.34 | superfirelord42 | !awesome |
| 00:02.34 | dpkg | well, awesome is me |
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| 00:03.23 | extor | I am trying to run X applications on my remote box after connecting with ssh -X and it keeps telling me it cannot connect to an X server. Do I need to open some ports locally? Why is it giving me these errors? |
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| 00:03.42 | owen1 | poseidon: you use the window key for most of the stuff and have a nice config file to tweak everything. |
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| 00:03.47 | eevar | what is the next stable release called? |
| 00:03.56 | defrysk | lenny |
| 00:04.02 | poseidon | owen1, I couldn't find it in the pdo. but check out /msg dpkg window manager |
| 00:04.46 | superfirelord42 | owen1: i may have to try that wm sometime, ty |
| 00:04.51 | eevar | Oktane, so lenny != testing, like sid == stable? |
| 00:04.56 | eevar | okies even |
| 00:04.58 | owen1 | poseidon: /msg : no such file or directory |
| 00:05.02 | eevar | yay for autocomplete |
| 00:05.08 | Bushmills | extor: try ssh -Y |
| 00:05.09 | defrysk | sid is unstable |
| 00:05.14 | owen1 | superfirelord42: u will be a jedi! |
| 00:05.16 | poseidon | owen1, try query |
| 00:05.27 | defrysk | lenny is testing till its declared stable |
| 00:05.35 | poseidon | eevar, lenny == testing; sid == unstable |
| 00:05.35 | owen1 | poseidon: i think i don't have /msg thingy installed. |
| 00:05.46 | defrysk | sid will be unstable till the end of times |
| 00:05.56 | eevar | and it's still gonna be named lenny when released? that's what i'm asking.. |
| 00:06.04 | defrysk | yes |
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| 00:06.19 | poseidon | !tell owen1 window manager |
| 00:06.20 | defrysk | some other toystory figure will become testing |
| 00:06.23 | owen1 | poseidon: what do u mean by query |
| 00:06.31 | poseidon | owen1, /query dpkg |
| 00:06.34 | eevar | kk, thanks |
| 00:06.37 | extor | Y? hehe |
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| 00:07.07 | Laban | Need some help to re-install a package (mydns-mysql), it's "stuck" and apt-get won't install anything until this is resolved. Error: http://pastebin.org/41273 |
| 00:07.15 | owen1 | poseidon: no such file or directory |
| 00:07.18 | AndroidData | hi. I have setup pure-ftpd and I was wondering if it were possible to 'store' symlinks. what I mean by that is that if I start in /home/user and /home/user/link is a symlink to /var/www/user, that when I enter that link it will take me to /var/www/user but when I leave the link it takes me back to /home/user |
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| 00:08.01 | poseidon | owen1, <dpkg> told owen1 about window manager (methinks window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" |
| 00:08.07 | defrysk | Laban, try apt-get -f install |
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| 00:09.19 | Laban | defrysk: No change |
| 00:09.38 | format_c | Laban |
| 00:09.48 | format_c | had that error too some time ago |
| 00:09.54 | poseidon | laban, make sure that it is just "apt-get -f install" don't add the package name after it |
| 00:10.00 | Laban | oh |
| 00:10.06 | defrysk | lol |
| 00:10.06 | poseidon | Laban, yea ;) |
| 00:10.15 | Laban | poseidon: Same thing. |
| 00:10.16 | Laban | >_< |
| 00:10.29 | format_c | the problem is the the logon used in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf matches the real settings in mysq.user table |
| 00:10.34 | poseidon | laban, pastebin the outputs |
| 00:10.46 | defrysk | is off |
| 00:11.10 | owen1 | poseidon: i see a huge list |
| 00:11.22 | format_c | So make shure you can log on to mysql using login information provided in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 00:11.42 | format_c | either you adapt your debian.cnf or the mysql.user table |
| 00:11.48 | Laban | poseidon: http://pastebin.org/42274 |
| 00:12.15 | owen1 | poseidon: i can't see awesome among them. |
| 00:12.31 | extor | Could a local NAT router be screwing me up, by blocking some incoming ports? Or..is all of that handled via the ssh tunnel? |
| 00:12.33 | format_c | Laban: Because this logon information is used by dpgk |
| 00:12.43 | Laban | format_c: Those details work, but that's not what it tries to connect as. |
| 00:12.43 | greeg | where can i find the name of a particular cd rom drive? if not found in dmesg ? |
| 00:12.54 | poseidon | owen1, add |grep awesome at the end of the command |
| 00:13.00 | poseidon | I ran it and found it |
| 00:13.12 | greeg | went to barnes and nobel, and stole etch disks from a magaze :P |
| 00:13.13 | jstephenson | What's the 'strongest' kill signal? I can't kill off a particular process. |
| 00:13.16 | format_c | Laban: but that is what this error messages says |
| 00:13.28 | poseidon | owen1, apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager |grep awesome awesome 2.3~rc1-1~bpo40+1 |
| 00:14.09 | owen1 | poseidon: still not there. |
| 00:14.19 | poseidon | owen1, have you ran apt-get update? |
| 00:14.20 | Laban | When the package was installed first, it asked for login details, which sadly were wrong - so it got stuck at this. Now it won't show me an option to corret that mistake, nor can i find the details in any file. |
| 00:14.21 | owen1 | poseidon: maybe i need to add a repo.. |
| 00:14.40 | owen1 | poseidon: yes |
| 00:15.12 | poseidon | owen1, do cp /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list /apt/sources.list |
| 00:15.29 | owen1 | poseidon: 1 sec |
| 00:15.29 | poseidon | owen1, the use vim to uncomment the source directories. That should give you the sources you need |
| 00:15.39 | format_c | Laban: as I said, weather you adapt your mysql access to whats provided in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf or vice versa |
| 00:16.02 | poseidon | remember to run :save /etc/apt/sources.list before you exit |
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| 00:16.10 | format_c | To get the configuration dialog from apt again type dpkg-reconfigure mysql |
| 00:16.15 | ihatelinux | ugh i'm gonna have another long night |
| 00:16.36 | ihatelinux | let's see the problems using the newest Debian on a supported system (ppc) that nobody cares about |
| 00:16.48 | Laban | format_c: Adapt how? The details in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf work. |
| 00:17.04 | Laban | apt-get isn't using those. |
| 00:17.21 | ihatelinux | Gnome doesn't work, I have to compile GNASH, dvds don't work,mp3 files dont work.. convenient |
| 00:17.44 | markybob | ihatelinux, you're right, we dont care. #debianppc might, though |
| 00:17.50 | poseidon | ihatelinux, what graphics card? |
| 00:17.58 | ihatelinux | debianppc does care after the hours i've waited there |
| 00:17.59 | ihatelinux | slow ass irc |
| 00:18.02 | ihatelinux | imac g3 |
| 00:18.05 | format_c | Laban: and how about /etc/mydns.conf Are there some access information in there? |
| 00:18.16 | ihatelinux | poseidon: it's ATI Rage I think |
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| 00:18.48 | poseidon | ihatelinux, gnome isn't working (your in the terminal)? |
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| 00:18.52 | ihatelinux | when i start gnome i get a gnome settings error, nautilus error having something to do with bonobo and a bonobo error. |
| 00:18.56 | ihatelinux | i'm using kde |
| 00:18.58 | ihatelinux | which sucks |
| 00:19.10 | format_c | ihatelinux: had no problems beside the wireless stuff using debian on my ibook g4 |
| 00:19.17 | poseidon | ihatelinux, I love kde, it's what I use |
| 00:19.30 | format_c | was the "just-working" distri I've tried on my ibook |
| 00:19.43 | ihatelinux | when i use linux (which i rarely do) I use gnome. |
| 00:19.46 | Led_Zeppelin | I am building 2 RAID5 volumes using my HP controller. I then plan on using LVM. If I stripe using LVM would I see any benefits in performance? |
| 00:19.49 | ihatelinux | so familiar and comfortable |
| 00:19.52 | poseidon | the only problem I have had with linux is installing my nvidia graphics driver |
| 00:19.56 | Led_Zeppelin | eventhough I am striping when creating the RAID volumes? |
| 00:20.01 | format_c | for wireless same manual kernel compilation was needed |
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| 00:20.22 | owen1 | poseidon: after doing it i get GPG error. something about no |
| 00:20.24 | enouf | ihatelinux: did you try the mailing lists? also on oftc.net try #debianppc and #debian-ppc |
| 00:20.27 | format_c | s/same/some/ |
| 00:20.37 | owen1 | non-us debian repo |
| 00:20.39 | ihatelinux | enouf: ugh i'm nto going near a mailing list |
| 00:20.49 | ihatelinux | lets start with .mp3s |
| 00:20.51 | poseidon | owen1, o, you can delete the non-us one |
| 00:20.56 | ihatelinux | i'll need something to liksten to while getting help with gnash and gnome |
| 00:21.00 | owen1 | poseidon: i get this error when doing apt-get update |
| 00:21.07 | owen1 | poseidon: ok |
| 00:21.16 | ihatelinux | i have an .mp3 file on here. Michael Jackson. i open it up, nothing. what codec or whatever do i need? |
| 00:21.17 | poseidon | owen1, after that apt-get update should work fine |
| 00:21.19 | Laban | format_c: Yes, the access information is correct in /etc/mydns.conf |
| 00:21.22 | ihatelinux | what package |
| 00:21.32 | enouf | ihatelinux: etch? |
| 00:21.36 | ihatelinux | enouf: yup |
| 00:21.43 | enouf | !tell ihatelinux -about dmme |
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| 00:22.08 | owen1 | poseidon: ok, i still don't see awesome in the list |
| 00:22.10 | ihatelinux | brbs to do whatever is there |
| 00:22.27 | stoned | my etch server can't see the outside world |
| 00:22.40 | stoned | fantastic |
| 00:22.44 | owen1 | poseidon: unless aewm means awesome |
| 00:23.07 | poseidon | owen1, no |
| 00:23.25 | poseidon | owen1, did you try apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager |grep awesome ? |
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| 00:24.03 | ihatelinux | cant wait til i build that computer and leave this god forsaken OS ;-; |
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| 00:24.12 | ihatelinux | no offence |
| 00:24.23 | owen1 | ihatelinux: try awesome if u like speed and command line. |
| 00:24.33 | owen1 | poseidon: yes |
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| 00:24.38 | enouf | OS or arch? |
| 00:24.41 | ihatelinux | i like windows |
| 00:24.45 | enouf | try ##windows |
| 00:24.49 | ihatelinux | ^_^ |
| 00:25.03 | ihatelinux | cool i'm not running windows though |
| 00:25.08 | ihatelinux | this is the only computer i have at the moment |
| 00:25.13 | bringatowel | hi, how can i disable VNC password and allow login only through SSH tunnel? |
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| 00:25.17 | owen1 | poseidon: i don't have a lot of repos in my sources. |
| 00:25.22 | Sweetandy | What's the package which will include gcc, make, etc? |
| 00:25.22 | ihatelinux | the imac g3 is not a computer sorry... it's the devil |
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| 00:25.33 | owen1 | poseidon: maybe my example file is small. |
| 00:25.41 | markybob | Sweetandy, build-essential |
| 00:25.47 | enouf | owen1: pastebin output of apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 00:25.54 | Sweetandy | markybob: THANKS! |
| 00:26.15 | stoned | router(192.168.1.100) is in client bridge mode, catching a wireless AP/gateway(10.0.0.1), which gets TO the internet through the dsl modem (192.168.1.1), and I'm using IP 10.0.0.100 and 10.0.0.200 on both machines. Both machines can talk to each other. A is online. B can't see the internet |
| 00:26.20 | stoned | I can't figure out where I missed something |
| 00:26.25 | stoned | please advise |
| 00:26.26 | poseidon | owen1, try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:26.30 | owen1 | enouf: i can't access firefox since i have no window manager. |
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| 00:26.51 | enouf | who cares about firefox? |
| 00:26.52 | owen1 | poseidon: ok, 1 sec. |
| 00:26.56 | stoned | iceweasel |
| 00:27.03 | Laban | is dpkg --purge package-name supposed to take very long? |
| 00:27.08 | owen1 | enouf: 1 sec.. |
| 00:27.10 | enouf | who cares about window manager |
| 00:27.15 | enouf | owen1: pastebin output of apt-cache search x-window-manager |
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| 00:27.18 | slxix | Laban: i don't think package-name is a valid package. |
| 00:27.21 | stoned | enouf: people who care about window manager obviously :) |
| 00:27.26 | poseidon | enouf, you use the terminal? |
| 00:27.31 | Laban | slxix: mydns-mysql |
| 00:27.34 | ihatelinux | firefox is so awesome you better download on download day |
| 00:27.39 | slxix | and 'very long' isn't quantitative. :) |
| 00:27.43 | enouf | if needed sure |
| 00:27.49 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 00:27.57 | Laban | slxix: More than a few seconds |
| 00:28.01 | enouf | !pastewithoutx |
| 00:28.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven ... |
| 00:28.35 | enouf | firepoop? |
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| 00:29.24 | slxix | Laban: i'll purge mine and see how long it takes. |
| 00:29.30 | owen1 | poseidon: no alternatives for x-window-manager |
| 00:29.44 | waawa | why oh why do poeple put intel core 2 duos in their boxes if they're not going to be doing anything? i've been running on a pentium 3 for years now |
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| 00:29.53 | owen1 | poseidon: btw, i installed xserver-xorg |
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| 00:30.51 | owen1 | enouf: pastebin is a website, right? |
| 00:30.58 | Laban | Hmpf... it exited with error code 255... |
| 00:31.09 | owen1 | enouf: i have lynx, but not sure how to use it... |
| 00:31.17 | bringatowel | !pastebin | owen1 |
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| 00:31.20 | slxix | owen1: did you manage to get debian installed? :) |
| 00:31.48 | bringatowel | owen1, pastebin is a website, also there is a program called pastebin |
| 00:31.55 | owen1 | slxix: yes. burned the netinst into cd. it was a blast. |
| 00:32.12 | owen1 | bringatowel: mm..cool, let me try get it, |
| 00:32.27 | poseidon | owen1, ahh, you need backports |
| 00:32.47 | owen1 | poseidon: of course.. (-: kidding, i have no idea. |
| 00:33.04 | stoned | a machine on my network has an ip through dhcp and i have no idea what the ip is |
| 00:33.07 | stoned | how do i find out? |
| 00:33.13 | poseidon | owen1, add " deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:33.28 | owen1 | poseidon: ok, 1 sec |
| 00:33.46 | slxix | owen1: good. my network connection was flaky.. |
| 00:33.47 | Laban | GAH! Finaly! The purge did enough to kill off annoying error message, so I could re-install the package. |
| 00:33.59 | poseidon | owen1, don't run update yet |
| 00:34.10 | slxix | Laban: i am having the same problem you were having. |
| 00:34.18 | poseidon | owen1, run " aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update" |
| 00:34.35 | bringatowel | owen1, oh actually its called "pastebinit" and its only in SID fyi |
| 00:34.44 | slxix | Laban: and i _just_ installed mydns-mysql right before i tried to purge it. |
| 00:35.03 | Laban | Did it show the configuration dialog? |
| 00:35.09 | bringatowel | stoned, are you at the machine now? |
| 00:35.25 | slxix | yes, i configured it with passwords and such. |
| 00:35.33 | zamaliphe | defrysk: didnot work on some files |
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| 00:35.41 | stoned | bringatowel: well its a laptop with no screen |
| 00:35.44 | stoned | I used to ssh into it |
| 00:35.56 | stoned | now i setup it as dhcp and did restart networking |
| 00:36.05 | stoned | now i have no idea what ip it has and i can't ssh into it |
| 00:36.17 | owen1 | poseidon: great! i see awesome 2.3. what is this backports repo? |
| 00:36.24 | slxix | Laban: after it times out, i'll let you know how long it took. (i'm 'time'ing it) then I'm going to try to use aptitude to remove it. |
| 00:36.25 | bringatowel | stoned, ok what is the DHCP server, another computer or a router or something? |
| 00:36.36 | zamaliphe | what is the easy way to play or convert swf + flv files ? |
| 00:36.47 | stoned | bringatowel: a router to which i have no password |
| 00:36.56 | poseidon | owen1, now try apt-get install awesome |
| 00:37.13 | bringatowel | stoned, ok if it isn't already installed apt-get install nmap |
| 00:37.36 | stoned | I was going to insecure.org alreaday looking at faqs |
| 00:37.41 | stoned | :) |
| 00:38.01 | bringatowel | it's not too hard to use, but it helps if you have some idea what the IP address range is |
| 00:38.04 | stoned | hopefully it won't take me too long to figureo ut |
| 00:38.16 | stoned | bringatowel: should be in 10.0.0.x |
| 00:38.19 | stoned | class C |
| 00:38.30 | bringatowel | probably this will let you figure it out: nmap 10.0.0.1-255 |
| 00:38.38 | stoned | lets see, thanks |
| 00:38.39 | stoned | brb |
| 00:38.54 | owen1 | poseidon: works, but when i do the grep thingy i see awesome 2.3 rc1-1 |
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| 00:39.10 | owen1 | poseidon: can i get 2.3 from apt-get |
| 00:39.34 | stoned | i think the range I saw was from .13 to .47 |
| 00:40.07 | poseidon | owen1, you should have goten 2.3, did it say otherwise? |
| 00:40.09 | ihatelinux | YOU GUYS are so helpful. no, dont help me have dpkg help me right |
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| 00:40.15 | ihatelinux | look at this this .mp3 doesn't play either |
| 00:40.17 | owen1 | poseidon: let me try |
| 00:40.19 | ihatelinux | what package do i nee |
| 00:40.21 | ihatelinux | need^ |
| 00:40.38 | stoned | plus my laptop is set to dhcp, if nothing I can always switch my network to 192, hook up to MY router and then it will have a ip which i can see on my router |
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| 00:40.47 | stoned | no dice |
| 00:40.53 | stoned | bringatowel: only my desktop and router listed |
| 00:40.56 | stoned | laptop isn't |
| 00:41.11 | stoned | let me use dhcp on my desktop and see what it gives me |
| 00:41.21 | stoned | so d/c brb in a while |
| 00:41.59 | Laban | Next; I need to move all incomming traffic on port 80 to another server (external), could someone show me a good iptables -line that would do that? |
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| 00:42.07 | owen1 | poseidon: great. now that i have it, i think i need to add it to the xinit file, right? |
| 00:42.48 | enouf | owen1: using a DM? |
| 00:42.57 | ihatelinux | is there something like a task manager here or do i have to use a fucking command for it to? |
| 00:43.01 | markybob | Laban, #netfilter |
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| 00:43.17 | bringatowel | ihatelinux, i think i hate you >_> |
| 00:43.19 | enouf | #iptables? |
| 00:43.20 | stoned | bringatowel: isn't /etc/init.d/networking restart supposed to bring the interface up after it brings it down |
| 00:43.23 | stoned | ? |
| 00:43.28 | ihatelinux | bringatowel: shut up Towelie |
| 00:43.35 | bringatowel | stoned, no idea |
| 00:43.39 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:43.42 | ihatelinux | Dont forget to bring a towel! |
| 00:43.44 | stoned | I just did this on my laptop |
| 00:43.47 | stoned | er.. desktop |
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| 00:44.02 | stoned | and apparantly, it brings the iface down, but it fails to bring it up (sid) |
| 00:44.04 | poseidon | owen1, yes, but I'm not sure. I have always used kde |
| 00:44.11 | stoned | which means, my laptop is sitting there with no iface brought up |
| 00:44.12 | ihatelinux | someone tell me how to oget this .mp3 file working. i dont want dpkg to tell me, didnt help shit |
| 00:44.15 | owen1 | enouf: no. i want to use a WM instead of DE |
| 00:44.17 | ihatelinux | i need to listen to michael jackson ffs ;_; |
| 00:44.19 | rahsputin | Hi.... Can i use Sarge Backports in Etch |
| 00:44.26 | stoned | I have no scren on my laptop and I can't get to it, which means I'm gonna have to do a cold reboot |
| 00:44.30 | bringatowel | ihatelinux, apt-get install vlc |
| 00:44.30 | enouf | owen1: DM is like login manager |
| 00:44.34 | stoned | because I can't even ssh in, no iface up |
| 00:44.35 | stoned | ! |
| 00:44.36 | owen1 | poseidon: never heard about KDE (-: |
| 00:44.41 | ihatelinux | bringatowel: right okay vlc ftw |
| 00:44.43 | markybob | rahsputin, no |
| 00:44.54 | rahsputin | markybob, thanx :( |
| 00:44.56 | rahsputin | :D |
| 00:44.58 | ihatelinux | i use media player classic on windows though since vlc can suck at times ;_; |
| 00:44.59 | stoned | someone check for me if /etc/init.d/networking restarts brings your iface up in sid |
| 00:44.59 | bringatowel | :) |
| 00:45.03 | stoned | anyone? |
| 00:45.11 | bringatowel | MPC is good too |
| 00:45.12 | owen1 | enouf: sorry, i thought u'r talking about desktop environment |
| 00:45.12 | ihatelinux | i wish i could get a hold of weed |
| 00:45.13 | stoned | before i go a bug huntin' |
| 00:45.41 | ihatelinux | bug hunting? |
| 00:45.42 | poseidon | owen1, now try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:45.43 | ihatelinux | FUN |
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| 00:45.53 | owen1 | enouf: do i need a DM? all i want is to run startx with awesome |
| 00:45.53 | stoned | ihatelinux: hunt it donw on bts |
| 00:45.55 | owen1 | poseidon: ok |
| 00:45.55 | enouf | owen1: if you use xdm, gdm, or kdm, you can use update-alternatives --config x-<TAB><TAB> |
| 00:46.01 | stoned | or file a bug |
| 00:46.06 | enouf | might as well anyway |
| 00:46.07 | ihatelinux | i dont hunt |
| 00:46.14 | ihatelinux | i'm too lazy, i have people supply me with food |
| 00:46.15 | stoned | x-session-manager |
| 00:46.20 | stoned | is that tab completed? |
| 00:46.22 | ihatelinux | wat |
| 00:46.27 | enouf | owen1: no, you don't, then /msg dpkg xinitrc |
| 00:46.29 | stoned | original bash or extended completion? |
| 00:46.30 | poseidon | owen1, he's using a awesome window manager |
| 00:46.34 | enouf | stoned: indeed |
| 00:46.41 | enouf | wtf do i know |
| 00:46.52 | stoned | enouf: you don't know nothin |
| 00:46.53 | enouf | bash is extensions :-P |
| 00:46.54 | stoned | go sit down |
| 00:46.57 | ihatelinux | i'm sure this is against th erules but i'm desperate (give me an invite to stmusic) |
| 00:46.57 | owen1 | enouf: i prefer to not use any DM. why do i need one? |
| 00:46.59 | ihatelinux | okay vlc's downloaded |
| 00:47.04 | ihatelinux | gonna try some michael jackson's thriller on tihs |
| 00:47.07 | enouf | squats on Nyle and farts |
| 00:47.42 | stoned | bully. |
| 00:47.42 | enouf | [20:43:08] <enouf> owen1: no, you don't, then /msg dpkg xinitrc |
| 00:47.42 | ihatelinux | pushes enouf til he farts |
| 00:47.42 | ihatelinux | you son of a bitch |
| 00:47.42 | ihatelinux | OH |
| 00:47.42 | stoned | ihatelinux: please. |
| 00:47.42 | stoned | respectful |
| 00:47.43 | ihatelinux | stoned: please |
| 00:47.44 | ihatelinux | no |
| 00:47.52 | stoned | ok |
| 00:47.52 | markybob | ihatelinux, great. try #debian-offtopic |
| 00:47.56 | ihatelinux | offtopic |
| 00:48.02 | stoned | it doesn't bother me, though you yourself seem like a token. |
| 00:48.04 | enouf | #defocus? |
| 00:48.06 | ihatelinux | oh fuck how about you scroll up and see some off-topic being done by others |
| 00:48.12 | owen1 | enouf: /msg no such file or directory |
| 00:48.20 | enouf | owen1: in your irc client |
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| 00:48.23 | ihatelinux | it's very VERY rude |
| 00:48.24 | poseidon | owen1, you should at least be able to use startx |
| 00:48.34 | enouf | ofcourse he can |
| 00:48.37 | owen1 | poseidon: true, but i see black screen... |
| 00:48.37 | stoned | ihatelinux: what? |
| 00:48.42 | ihatelinux | forget it |
| 00:48.43 | amphi | oh, ghod, it's already Tardsday in some TZs |
| 00:48.48 | owen1 | poseidon: i think i need to add a line in xinitrc |
| 00:48.52 | JordiGH | what? |
| 00:48.55 | JordiGH | That can't be. |
| 00:48.57 | ihatelinux | someone help me get mp3 files working. vlc doesnt play it so i'm sure i need something |
| 00:49.01 | owen1 | poseidon: exec awesome ? |
| 00:49.02 | JordiGH | You can't be more than 24 hours ahead of me! |
| 00:49.04 | stoned | mp3? |
| 00:49.08 | enouf | owen1: but set your default WM, and x-session-manager as i mentioned - forget the DM |
| 00:49.13 | stoned | ihatelinux: install libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 00:49.15 | stoned | call it a day |
| 00:49.23 | enouf | !xinitrc |
| 00:49.23 | dpkg | i guess xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 00:49.30 | enouf | !.xinitrc |
| 00:49.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 00:49.34 | owen1 | enouf: /msg doesn't work on my machine.. |
| 00:49.35 | bringatowel | ihatelinux, does vlc fail to play, or is it a problem with your sound card? |
| 00:49.42 | enouf | owen1: you're not regged then |
| 00:49.46 | enouf | register |
| 00:49.50 | ihatelinux | brinatowel: doubt it's a problem with this sound card. startup sound works like a charm |
| 00:49.50 | stoned | bringatowel: the way hes talking it seems like its his codec |
| 00:49.52 | stoned | perhaps |
| 00:49.55 | ihatelinux | vlc fails to play the song |
| 00:49.56 | JordiGH | This is very weird... |
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| 00:50.04 | JordiGH | I set keybindings in xchat... |
| 00:50.07 | stoned | yeh, its not sound, its probably codec though I would think vlc has all of them built in |
| 00:50.09 | ihatelinux | stoned: E: Couldn't find package libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 00:50.10 | stoned | no? |
| 00:50.10 | JordiGH | And they're not honoured when I restart. |
| 00:50.12 | owen1 | what can i do to register? |
| 00:50.18 | JordiGH | when I restart xchat |
| 00:50.25 | stoned | i A libxine1-ffmpeg - MPEG-related plugins for libxine1 |
| 00:50.28 | slxix | owen1 is identified to services. |
| 00:50.30 | stoned | im on sid |
| 00:50.32 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.33 | stoned | i dunno bout ya'll |
| 00:50.35 | enouf | oh |
| 00:50.42 | stoned | !info libxine1-ffmpeg testing |
| 00:50.42 | bringatowel | ihatelinux, is the file on a network share or anything? |
| 00:50.53 | ihatelinux | bringatowel: nope. |
| 00:50.55 | ihatelinux | right on here |
| 00:50.59 | enouf | then his pidgen sucks ass |
| 00:51.00 | stoned | ihatelinux: which distro? |
| 00:51.05 | stoned | pidgin* |
| 00:51.07 | dpkg | libxine1-ffmpeg: (MPEG-related plugins for libxine1), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.12-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 378 kB, Installed size: 768 kB |
| 00:51.07 | ihatelinux | stoned: etch |
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| 00:51.16 | stoned | !info libxine1-ffmpeg etch |
| 00:51.19 | enouf | peckerhead bird :-p |
| 00:51.20 | stoned | im not on etch |
| 00:51.20 | slxix | he's using irssi :) |
| 00:51.21 | bringatowel | ihatelinux, thats weird, i dont think i have ever had a file vlc won't play :o |
| 00:51.23 | enouf | pigeon |
| 00:51.28 | _joey | so many applications in debian |
| 00:51.32 | ihatelinux | bringatowel: try using a ppc :( |
| 00:51.33 | kanzure | _joey: yep |
| 00:51.34 | stoned | bot is slow |
| 00:51.41 | poseidon | owen1, .xinitrc maybe |
| 00:51.44 | _joey | a little bored and don't know what I Could install to play with |
| 00:51.48 | owen1 | slxix: enouf: i am confused. what is this registration thingy? |
| 00:51.48 | bringatowel | ihatelinux, no, but thanks :D |
| 00:51.51 | enouf | stoned: i already gave the weenie dmme |
| 00:51.54 | stoned | i know etch plays mp3 files |
| 00:52.04 | enouf | owen1: nm, learn how to use irc |
| 00:52.05 | stoned | enouf: shouldn't need dmm for mp3 |
| 00:52.05 | amphi | _joey: blender should keep you busy for a while ;) |
| 00:52.07 | ihatelinux | everything sucks ass with ppc or it's just me |
| 00:52.07 | stoned | playback |
| 00:52.13 | stoned | you are on ppc? |
| 00:52.16 | stoned | wtf you doin here |
| 00:52.18 | poseidon | _joey, make something to install and play with. Thats what I do :) |
| 00:52.21 | stoned | #debianppc |
| 00:52.21 | stoned | :) |
| 00:52.23 | ihatelinux | NO |
| 00:52.24 | enouf | stoned: already told him |
| 00:52.25 | ihatelinux | slow irc |
| 00:52.26 | ihatelinux | is slow |
| 00:52.28 | owen1 | enouf: got it. i thought i am suppose to do it in my terminal! |
| 00:52.34 | stoned | enouf: ahh boy |
| 00:52.34 | enouf | stoned: about oftc.net too |
| 00:52.39 | stoned | ahhh even more boy |
| 00:52.41 | ihatelinux | both slow |
| 00:52.42 | stoned | i mean |
| 00:52.44 | amphi | ihatelinux: I installed debian for someone on an old g3 ibook, it works well |
| 00:52.48 | stoned | ihatelinux: dude you can't just demand free help |
| 00:52.51 | slxix | owen1: that's what ytalk is for! :) |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | be patient |
| 00:52.54 | _joey | amphi my debian is on a remote system with no X |
| 00:53.01 | ihatelinux | oh for fuck's sake |
| 00:53.04 | owen1 | slxix: what is ytalk |
| 00:53.05 | ihatelinux | i am patient |
| 00:53.07 | stoned | ask a question and chill |
| 00:53.15 | enouf | 20:45:00] <enouf> owen1: in your irc client |
| 00:53.17 | stoned | they will answer if they know or if they are around |
| 00:53.22 | amphi | _joey: ah; blender would be suboptimal then; you could use povray and scp the output ;) |
| 00:53.32 | slxix | !tell owen1 about ytalk |
| 00:53.42 | ihatelinux | you can be patient and know how slow that irc is |
| 00:53.48 | poseidon | ihatelinux, truthfully, you probably get a lot of extra grief, and are more likely to be ignored because of you nick |
| 00:53.57 | bringatowel | stoned, he can, but its necessarily going to help :D |
| 00:53.58 | enouf | stoned: also told him about the mailing lists |
| 00:54.00 | stoned | if you ask a question, would you rather a 99 paople say NO, and 1 person says yes he knows how to helpyou, or would you rather people who don't know don't speak about it, and the guy that can help you, heps you |
| 00:54.04 | stoned | patience is a virtue |
| 00:54.05 | slxix | owen1: probably nothing you want to know about right now. :) |
| 00:54.07 | bringatowel | stoned, *NOT necessarily |
| 00:54.10 | enouf | stoned: keep beating a dead horse .. ya know? |
| 00:54.17 | ihatelinux | poseidon: okay |
| 00:54.20 | ihatelinux | obviously |
| 00:54.22 | stoned | enouf: well he doesn't seem to get th epint |
| 00:54.23 | stoned | point( |
| 00:54.31 | owen1 | slxix: actually i do....trying to understand from the message u sent me.. |
| 00:54.33 | stoned | so I'm gonna bash the FUCK outta that horse |
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| 00:54.39 | enouf | haha |
| 00:54.45 | enouf | ride em' Nyle! |
| 00:54.46 | poseidon | ihatelinux, also check the wiki/forums/google |
| 00:54.52 | ihatelinux | ..... |
| 00:54.57 | slxix | owen1: i'll tell you in privmsg. |
| 00:55.11 | ihatelinux | you know what i'm going to the official irc if none of you gets the damn point |
| 00:55.11 | _joey | debian is boring. |
| 00:55.15 | stoned | enouf: well, radeonhd works well enough |
| 00:55.24 | owen1 | locate does not work. is there alternative command to find stuff in debian? |
| 00:55.27 | stoned | mplayer can only use x11, and then on top of that no video scaling |
| 00:55.30 | poseidon | slxix, owen1 is having problems getting private messages to work |
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| 00:55.34 | bringatowel | _joey, i like my OS to bore me :D |
| 00:55.35 | stoned | enouf: /me has to use fucking zoom=1 |
| 00:55.37 | enouf | stoned: i think i heard, yes |
| 00:55.46 | bringatowel | well at least a little |
| 00:55.46 | poseidon | owen1, find ? |
| 00:55.50 | owen1 | poseidon: cool |
| 00:55.50 | slxix | poseidon: on his terminal, not on irc. :) |
| 00:55.54 | stoned | enouf: not bad though, they say the next version is gonna have good stuff |
| 00:55.59 | amphi | owen1: find - locate only works if its db is up to date; you could try updatedb and then locate |
| 00:56.02 | stoned | devs got compiz to work on radeonhd |
| 00:56.06 | _joey | it's boring because it works and there's nothing to do |
| 00:56.12 | stoned | so 2d/3d is good so far |
| 00:56.18 | poseidon | owen1, did you try startx? |
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| 00:56.23 | enouf | excellent |
| 00:56.32 | stoned | fglrx won't even compile forme |
| 00:56.50 | owen1 | poseidon: yes. i see black screen. i am looking for .xinitrc. i want to add the exec awesome. |
| 00:56.51 | stoned | or anyone else on sid |
| 00:56.53 | stoned | for that matter |
| 00:57.07 | amphi | stoned: strong men... also cry |
| 00:57.24 | stoned | amphi: what makes a man mr. bebowski? is it doing the right thing no matter the cost? |
| 00:57.25 | enouf | keep looking |
| 00:57.31 | stoned | sure... that and a pair of testicles. |
| 00:57.33 | stoned | :) |
| 00:58.09 | _joey | where netcat would be useful? |
| 00:58.13 | stoned | btw i never noticed, its a very young tara ried in that movie |
| 00:58.16 | stoned | thats crazy |
| 00:58.20 | stoned | hot. |
| 00:59.08 | stoned | anywy looks like im going to have to cold reboot this machine, there is no other way to get into it |
| 00:59.50 | _joey | do you think samba is a good server program? |
| 00:59.57 | stoned | _joey: of course |
| 00:59.57 | bringatowel | stoned, yeah that was here most distinguished role :D |
| 01:00.02 | bringatowel | *her |
| 01:00.11 | bringatowel | ack my typing sucks today |
| 01:00.17 | _joey | it's useful but is it good? |
| 01:00.18 | stoned | have you seen mine today? |
| 01:00.25 | bringatowel | no i hate samba :( |
| 01:00.36 | stoned | bringatowel: how do you access windows shares? |
| 01:01.11 | bringatowel | stoned, with samba... but i hate it :P |
| 01:01.25 | stoned | well don't hate samba |
| 01:01.27 | stoned | hate windows |
| 01:01.36 | stoned | you're hating the wrong thing here. |
| 01:01.42 | bringatowel | yeah that would be more accurate |
| 01:01.43 | stoned | and why hate to begin with? |
| 01:01.51 | stoned | hate takes too much energy and time. |
| 01:01.53 | _joey | ms windows xp pro is cool |
| 01:01.56 | bringatowel | i dont hate samba, i just dont like it because im forced to use it for windows |
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| 01:02.14 | bringatowel | _joey, i like linux better :) |
| 01:02.25 | stoned | I just like the right tool for the job |
| 01:02.27 | poseidon | I like both, thats why I dual-boot |
| 01:02.28 | stoned | regardless of what it is |
| 01:02.34 | stoned | windows mac linux my penis |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | whatever |
| 01:02.50 | _joey | nah, ms windows xp pro is near perfect to this date |
| 01:02.58 | poseidon | mac is never the right tool for me (o, and neither is your penis :) |
| 01:02.59 | JordiGH | likes freedom, regardless how it comes. |
| 01:03.05 | enouf | XPoop? |
| 01:03.05 | stoned | _joey: xp pro x64 is superior to all windows os's upto now |
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| 01:03.12 | _joey | stoned bull |
| 01:03.16 | bringatowel | yeah but usually when im using samba, it is some time id like to use something else |
| 01:03.26 | _joey | xp pro 64 is not |
| 01:03.33 | stoned | _joey: you can disagree all you want, doesn't change the facts. |
| 01:03.38 | JordiGH | I embrace all faiths. GPL, BSD, MIT, X11... |
| 01:03.38 | bringatowel | its not samba's fault that windows doesnt allow anything else though |
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| 01:03.42 | stoned | _joey: oh, I meant in the desktop regard |
| 01:03.49 | _joey | so many third party applications and drivers do not work with the 64 version |
| 01:03.49 | poseidon | I wish that more games were written witn openGL rather than directX though. (i think directX is horrible compared to openGL) |
| 01:04.05 | stoned | _joey: xp pro x64 based on 2003 kernel,gets 2003 server service packs, lots secure, stable, hardly ever crashes, fast as fuck |
| 01:04.09 | stoned | but its MS |
| 01:04.11 | stoned | so thats like a hgue downside |
| 01:04.22 | stoned | otherwise its a great OS, best out of all MS garbage |
| 01:04.35 | _joey | as if I care about the kernel |
| 01:04.52 | stoned | xp pro x64 has much better memory and resource management due to the kernel... |
| 01:04.56 | stoned | the kernel is everything |
| 01:04.58 | bringatowel | poseidon, i tend to agree, but im not sure it has been developed as much as directx in the past few years |
| 01:04.58 | stoned | wtf is the matter with you |
| 01:05.02 | stoned | any os, kernel is everything. |
| 01:05.37 | stoned | take the kernel out of debian |
| 01:05.44 | stoned | you got nothing left but software packages |
| 01:05.52 | stoned | hurd isn't finished yet so we're still shit out of luck on that |
| 01:05.55 | stoned | but linux aint bad |
| 01:06.01 | jodd | I am trying to install something but apt-get wants to remove some packages including openoffice.org-core, so I have edited /var/lib/dpkg/status to remove all dependencies of those packages. Now it only wants to remove a couple, including openoffice.org-core |
| 01:06.12 | _joey | kernel your ass |
| 01:06.12 | jodd | how do I determine why apt-get wants to remove something? |
| 01:06.17 | poseidon | bringatowel, It has been taking over by the kronos group (or something like that). openGL 3.0 is to be coming out before too long. However, each release directX becomes a bit closer to openGL (they pretty much copy it's ideas) |
| 01:06.23 | Laban | hm... mdadm should be safe to remove if I'm not using any soft raid, righT? |
| 01:06.25 | stoned | jodd: recommended pacaking not playint nice |
| 01:06.28 | bringatowel | well XP is basically win2k or nt4, so there are some good features :D |
| 01:06.29 | stoned | jodd: try aptitude |
| 01:06.40 | _joey | bringatowel yep |
| 01:06.43 | stoned | jodd: aptitude can resolve dependencids much better, go through some solutions and see what happens |
| 01:06.49 | jodd | Is there any way to determine why apt-get wants to remove something, though? |
| 01:06.55 | jodd | I dont understand why it thinkgs it wants to remove it |
| 01:06.55 | stoned | yes |
| 01:07.00 | jodd | since it has zero dependencies now :) |
| 01:07.02 | stoned | to satisfy dependency issues |
| 01:07.03 | jodd | and zero conflicts |
| 01:07.20 | poseidon | bringatowel, both mac and linux use openGL, so it has some support behind it's development. |
| 01:07.24 | jodd | but is there a way to display WHY a certain package is a dependency problem |
| 01:07.34 | jodd | I couldnt find anything in the manual |
| 01:07.36 | stoned | it says right there |
| 01:07.38 | stoned | or it should |
| 01:07.50 | stoned | package can't be isntalled cuz blahblah |
| 01:07.54 | jodd | it just says The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 01:07.57 | stoned | it says like, right there |
| 01:07.57 | bringatowel | poseidon, now we just need more native linux games :) |
| 01:08.06 | stoned | jodd: use aptitude |
| 01:08.13 | jodd | ok will try |
| 01:08.50 | poseidon | bringatowel, We just need them to be written in openGL (since openGL is cross-platform). We need more games like quake wars |
| 01:09.01 | bringatowel | hey does anyone know how to make VNC not use a password? i want to allow only SSH tunnel connections |
| 01:09.22 | Laban | How can I get a list of all installed packages? |
| 01:09.56 | Laban | nm |
| 01:09.58 | bringatowel | poseidon, hmm are there any good recent oGL games? |
| 01:10.03 | poseidon | as soon as I get my graphics driver installed I plan on making a standalone clone of the half-life two mod, sourceforts, using the ogre3d rendering engine (so it will probably work with linux/mac/windows |
| 01:10.23 | poseidon | bringatowel, quake wars, enemy territories |
| 01:10.32 | stoned | !ping |
| 01:10.32 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:10.34 | slxix | will you have that done by next week? |
| 01:10.37 | stoned | damit |
| 01:10.44 | stoned | Lag: 14.36 |
| 01:11.02 | stoned | !ping |
| 01:11.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:11.03 | Taypan | i already instaled and configurated asterisk, tomcat, jsp, mysql, hibernate but "I couldn't configurate my printer yet CANON IP1500" can somebody help me I have read all about: Ihave done the next steps # apt-get install libcnbj-2.5 bjfilter-2.5 pstocanonbj but when I open CUPS via web it doesnt downloadthe driver and it should be in the printer driver |
| 01:11.22 | poseidon | bringatowel, --> http://home.pacbell.net/freundj/openglgames/ is a descent list |
| 01:11.24 | stoned | hey |
| 01:11.30 | stoned | Laban: aptitude search '~i' |
| 01:11.36 | stoned | !ping |
| 01:11.36 | dpkg | pong |
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| 01:12.03 | bringatowel | poseidon, but quake wars is not available for linux? |
| 01:12.03 | stoned | smokes g4nja` |
| 01:12.03 | anom01y | hi |
| 01:12.06 | stoned | anom01y: hi |
| 01:12.06 | poseidon | bringatowel, I'm pretty sure it is |
| 01:12.11 | anom01y | I just bought a sound card that is pci express x1 (small slot) |
| 01:12.19 | stoned | heh, small slot |
| 01:12.20 | anom01y | but my motherboard has a pci express x8 slot only |
| 01:12.25 | slxix | poseidon: that list has "Duke Nukem Forever" on it. |
| 01:12.31 | stoned | anom01y: ##hardware |
| 01:12.33 | enouf | it should fit |
| 01:12.34 | jodd | ok I fixed it |
| 01:12.37 | enouf | right in |
| 01:12.44 | jodd | I just removed those packages altogether from status |
| 01:12.49 | jodd | now it doesnt want to remove them :) |
| 01:12.51 | bringatowel | poseidon, oh yeah i think you're right |
| 01:12.56 | stoned | jodd: great |
| 01:13.07 | jodd | apt isn't so smart sometimes :/ |
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| 01:13.26 | jodd | aptitude would have worked though |
| 01:13.30 | _joey | Laban: dpkg -a | grep ^a a |
| 01:13.31 | jodd | it didnt want to remove anything |
| 01:13.38 | _joey | Laban: dpkg -a | grep ^ii | More |
| 01:13.42 | stoned | âMaster, does Emacs possess the Buddha nature?â the novice asked. âI don't see why not,â replied the master. âIt's got bloody well everything else.â Several years later, the novice suddenly achieved enlightenment. |
| 01:13.48 | _joey | damn it |
| 01:13.50 | _joey | no :) |
| 01:13.53 | poseidon | bringatowel, http://www.tuxgames.com/details.cgi?gameref=137&&referrer=lgfaq |
| 01:13.59 | anom01y | I guess I just need the driver for a new creative sound card |
| 01:14.09 | _joey | to list all packages: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 01:14.35 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html |
| 01:14.38 | stoned | just go here |
| 01:14.39 | stoned | ffs |
| 01:14.48 | jodd | what is that grep ^ii for? |
| 01:14.58 | stoned | dpkg aum is The Aptitude User's Manual @ http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html |
| 01:14.58 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
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| 01:15.32 | bringatowel | poseidon, cool, i think it is going stress out my system, but ill give it a try :D |
| 01:15.45 | jodd | I dont understand what grep ^ii is supposed to do |
| 01:15.53 | jodd | dpkg -l works by itself |
| 01:15.53 | dpkg | ii works by itself 1.5-14.3 jodd's private gamp collection |
| 01:16.02 | jodd | :/ |
| 01:16.08 | _joey | has irssi been updated? |
| 01:16.11 | stoned | !aptitude-fu |
| 01:16.11 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
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| 01:16.26 | jodd | _joey, ? |
| 01:16.27 | stoned | oh nm |
| 01:16.35 | stoned | its already in here as !aptitude basics |
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| 01:16.55 | _joey | has there been a new release for irssi recently? |
| 01:17.05 | fas3r | stupid question : a mask 255.255.255.252 = /30 ? |
| 01:17.07 | stoned | !factinfo aptitude basics |
| 01:17.07 | dpkg | aptitude basics -- created by Nyle <i=stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com> at Wed Oct 3 00:40:59 2007 (249 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by Nyle at Thu Mar 6 07:30:13 2008. |
| 01:17.14 | stoned | oh gawd im a fucking tool |
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| 01:17.22 | stoned | I created the factoid and then forgot and then just made another one |
| 01:17.24 | stoned | haahah :/ |
| 01:17.37 | stoned | dpkg forget aum |
| 01:17.37 | dpkg | stoned: i forgot aum |
| 01:17.49 | jodd | dpkg part #debian |
| 01:17.49 | dpkg | jodd: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:17.57 | stoned | lol |
| 01:18.08 | jodd | dpkg help |
| 01:18.15 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 01:18.16 | dpkg | i heard msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 01:18.44 | anom01y | anyone know if alsa supports a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme PCIe |
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| 01:19.01 | anom01y | at the moment alsaconf does not detect anything |
| 01:19.45 | stoned | http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html |
| 01:19.57 | stoned | X-Fi series |
| 01:19.59 | stoned | April 16, 2008 X-Fi 32-bit / 64-bit BETA Linux drivers are now available. |
| 01:20.04 | stoned | learn to googly moogly |
| 01:20.07 | stoned | it helps a lot |
| 01:20.57 | stoned | anom01y: did you even try to search for yourself? |
| 01:21.11 | anom01y | yeah I am doing that |
| 01:21.28 | slxix | !selftell |
| 01:21.28 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 01:21.33 | anom01y | but I usually like to ask here first |
| 01:21.39 | stoned | stop doing that. |
| 01:21.49 | stoned | this should be your LAST resort |
| 01:22.21 | anom01y | I get a more direct and a faster answer |
| 01:22.34 | stoned | anom01y: yes my mistake entirely. |
| 01:23.12 | slxix | anom01y: consider that the people who answer aren't employees. |
| 01:23.19 | anom01y | apparently in #hardware they say the support sucks for this card |
| 01:23.30 | stoned | of course it does |
| 01:23.38 | stoned | i just pointed you to the creative's opensource website |
| 01:23.47 | stoned | they themselves have only a beta driver with no tech support |
| 01:23.57 | stoned | give it time or learn to code drivers ;) |
| 01:24.18 | slxix | or buy a card that's supported better. :) |
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| 01:24.53 | _joey | you musta been high, foot in mouth and head up ass, whatcha talking bout? |
| 01:25.02 | stoned | ? |
| 01:25.04 | stoned | cuz of my nickname? |
| 01:25.11 | stoned | whatever. |
| 01:25.17 | _joey | that's a song |
| 01:25.40 | _joey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2F_hGwD26g |
| 01:26.19 | Nyle | is there something like fruity loops in open source? |
| 01:26.34 | slxix | Nyle: what is fruity loops? |
| 01:26.52 | Nyle | slxix: googley moogly |
| 01:27.10 | slxix | i'd have to say no. |
| 01:27.12 | Nyle | slxix: windows audio production |
| 01:27.28 | Nyle | mostly used for techno/trance but its a good beat sequences |
| 01:27.34 | Nyle | sequencer* |
| 01:27.45 | slxix | oh.. like a tracker? |
| 01:27.47 | Nyle | I'm trying to hook up my studio |
| 01:27.52 | Nyle | a multitracker yes |
| 01:27.59 | Nyle | google for fruity loops man |
| 01:28.08 | Tommy_Mango | male gardevoir > gallade |
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| 01:29.06 | owen1 | how do i locate the .xinitrc file? locate and find comands don't show anything. |
| 01:29.45 | Nyle | to locate you must updatedb |
| 01:29.51 | Nyle | for find you must use right syntax |
| 01:30.03 | Nyle | and it should be in ~/ |
| 01:30.07 | owen1 | Nyle: i did updatedb |
| 01:30.21 | Nyle | ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:30.22 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 01:30.22 | aptitude | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 01:30.22 | apt | ...but /.xinitrc is already something else... |
| 01:30.22 | aptitude | ...but /.xinitrc is already something else... |
| 01:30.28 | Nyle | er... |
| 01:30.31 | Nyle | fuck. |
| 01:30.37 | bringatowel | Nyle, the closest thing that comes to mind is Audacity |
| 01:30.55 | Nyle | bringatowel: http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 |
| 01:31.03 | Nyle | bringatowel: tell me what you think of the quality |
| 01:31.08 | Nyle | then i'll tell you what i used ;) |
| 01:31.13 | bringatowel | there are probably many more good programs though |
| 01:31.19 | slxix | Nyle: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/home.php seems to be what you're looking for. never used it, though. |
| 01:31.27 | Nyle | lmms |
| 01:31.28 | Nyle | hm |
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| 01:31.47 | Nyle | sweet |
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| 01:32.18 | Nyle | anyone of you guys do any music? |
| 01:32.25 | Tommy_Mango | there are better lefties than hamelss |
| 01:32.29 | owen1 | i don't have .xsession in my home. should i create one? |
| 01:32.36 | slxix | Nyle: ##lmms ? :) |
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| 01:32.51 | Nyle | not yet |
| 01:32.53 | bringatowel | sounds pretty good, quality in terms of what? |
| 01:33.03 | Nyle | bringatowel: pc studio |
| 01:33.04 | Nyle | debian sid |
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| 01:33.31 | Nyle | drums == hydrogen, rythem/lead/ on audacity two sep tracks, mixed with pedal tones Amin, A, C, and E |
| 01:33.36 | Nyle | mixed in audacity |
| 01:34.14 | bringatowel | Nyle, hmm not familiar pc studio, do you have a link? |
| 01:34.26 | Nyle | 'my pc studio' |
| 01:34.39 | bringatowel | oh lol |
| 01:34.43 | Nyle | like guitars, amps, mixers, effectsb oards |
| 01:34.45 | Nyle | etc.etc. :) |
| 01:34.55 | slxix | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Alsa_Preferred_Soundcards |
| 01:35.01 | bringatowel | nice, yeah it sounds pretty good, i have heard good things about hydrogen |
| 01:35.12 | Nyle | bringatowel: you do any music at all |
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| 01:35.53 | bringatowel | mostly sound encoding like .mp3 and other formats, although i did play piano for a few years :) |
| 01:35.59 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:36.03 | Nyle | care to join #music |
| 01:36.09 | Nyle | we need some piano players |
| 01:36.10 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:36.11 | Tommy_Mango | but i think punishment and eq are it's only worthwhile physical moves, if that |
| 01:36.12 | Tommy_Mango | slowking, different countries. |
| 01:36.21 | peleg | what should be the name of the default options for xterm? |
| 01:36.32 | Nyle | peleg: meaning? |
| 01:36.42 | bringatowel | Nyle, sure but im not in practice these days :D |
| 01:36.44 | Nyle | man xterm look at the resources and specify in Xresources |
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| 01:37.00 | Nyle | or... on commandline like -fn -fg -bg blah blah |
| 01:37.26 | peleg | .xrdb, or .Xdefaults, or so... for defining fonts and colours and so on in xterm |
| 01:37.43 | Nyle | read the manpage |
| 01:37.50 | Nyle | specify in ~/.Xdefaults |
| 01:37.57 | Nyle | load through xrdb -merge filename |
| 01:38.21 | Nyle | all of the options are listed there |
| 01:38.26 | Nyle | you can try dotfile.org i think |
| 01:38.37 | Nyle | there are lots of xterm customized Xdefaults fileson google |
| 01:38.41 | peleg | Nyle: thanks - you mean "xrdv -merge ~/.Xdefaults" ? |
| 01:38.50 | Nyle | peleg: rdb, yes |
| 01:38.55 | Nyle | correct |
| 01:38.59 | peleg | sure, thanks! |
| 01:39.08 | Nyle | np |
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| 01:39.35 | Nyle | hm |
| 01:39.42 | Nyle | ihavnet looked in a whle |
| 01:39.45 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 01:39.45 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/, or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html |
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| 01:40.58 | Nyle | slxix brings happiness to the world. 22.8% lines contained smiling faces. :) |
| 01:41.25 | Nyle | Nyle talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 11 times! |
| 01:41.27 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:41.39 | Nyle | Nyle has quite a potty mouth. 0.3% words were foul language. |
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| 01:44.50 | owen1 | i creates .xsession filel and added this line - exec awesome when running startx i get this error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 01:46.35 | slxix | random quotes are so out of context. :) |
| 01:46.38 | kunwon1 | !fixed |
| 01:46.38 | dpkg | somebody said fixed font was if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 01:46.46 | kunwon1 | owen1, see above |
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| 01:47.21 | keila | is there a way to force the release of /dev/dsp? |
| 01:47.25 | owen1 | kunwon1: install xorg? |
| 01:47.40 | kunwon1 | owen1, possibly. Or install xfonts-base. Possibly. |
| 01:48.06 | slxix | keila: lsof | grep 'dsp' |
| 01:48.48 | owen1 | kunwon1: i installed xserver-xorg. is it different than xorg? |
| 01:49.09 | kunwon1 | owen1, I don't know. |
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| 01:50.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:50.05 | slxix | keila: did that help? |
| 01:50.40 | simonrvn | yes, it is different (xserver-xorg vs. xorg). xorg is the meta-package that would pull in xfonts-base. |
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| 01:52.11 | enouf | you likely want all the xfonts-100dpi type pkgs too |
| 01:52.36 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search xfonts |
| 01:52.42 | simonrvn | hence the recommendation of installing xorg ;) |
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| 01:53.11 | enouf | `which awesome`, update-alternatives |
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| 01:55.14 | owen1 | enouf: after installing the fonts it's working. but win+enter does not open a terminal... |
| 01:55.37 | enouf | try lose+enter :-P |
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| 01:57.41 | owen1 | enouf: what do u mean? |
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| 01:59.26 | enouf | nm |
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| 02:01.39 | owen1 | enouf: ...got your joke now.. |
| 02:03.19 | Rilt | I am creating a python script that listens for incoming UDP packets from a TF2 server with log information, however, the packet has a destination port of 0 and I am unsure why that is. I used wireshark to find all incoming traffic to verify that the TF2 server was sending me these packets |
| 02:03.28 | Rilt | sorry for the OT, but #python didn't really help |
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| 02:06.23 | Nyle | enouf: what are you doing? |
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| 02:07.12 | Rilt | samy.toriel.com/example.PNG is what the packet looks like |
| 02:07.22 | Rilt | http://samy.toriel.com/example.PNG |
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| 02:09.35 | enouf | Nyle: relaxing |
| 02:09.42 | Nyle | enouf: my back hurts |
| 02:10.04 | Nyle | my chair is uncomfortable |
| 02:10.10 | enouf | lay down |
| 02:10.14 | Nyle | I have to buy a recliner again, I can't deal with chairs anymore |
| 02:10.19 | Tommy_Mango | some drinks |
| 02:10.35 | Nyle | I'm very ill, haven't eaten in 3 days almost |
| 02:10.38 | Nyle | no drinks for me |
| 02:10.54 | Nyle | I wonder when it was made |
| 02:11.00 | Nyle | !factinfo nyeet |
| 02:11.00 | dpkg | nyeet -- created by jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> at Sat Jan 12 15:27:04 2008 (147 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by jetscreamer at Wed Mar 12 11:53:04 2008. |
| 02:11.06 | Nyle | jan |
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| 02:12.40 | peleg | Can I define a different font for Hebrew in xterm? |
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| 02:17.20 | samantha-- | why would you want to? any language with 27 verb forms is enough to make any sane person want to rip out their eyeballs with a screwdriver. |
| 02:19.24 | owen1 | peleg: abahur zozek! |
| 02:19.35 | owen1 | peleg: tzodek. |
| 02:20.16 | peleg | owen1: 27 verb forms? whatever, I just want to use xterm, that's all |
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| 02:20.36 | peleg | gnome-terminal knows how to do so, |
| 02:20.41 | peleg | why wouldn't xterm? |
| 02:22.18 | owen1 | peleg: what's wrong with gnome-terminal? |
| 02:22.46 | peleg | owen1: it does not read <C-up> <C-down> and so on properly. |
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| 02:30.44 | fas3r | what's the format for a windows mobile 6 certificat ( openssl) ? I have test to configure wifi ( EAP TLS authentification) .. i have no problem to install client.p12 certificat but the problem is for the root.der certificat i don't know the format .. |
| 02:31.18 | fas3r | it don't recognize* |
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| 02:31.28 | Tommy_Mango | no |
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| 02:43.33 | owen1 | how to open a terminal in icewm? |
| 02:44.30 | streuner | use fluxbox |
| 02:44.47 | streuner | right click on the window opens usually menue |
| 02:45.03 | owen1 | ok |
| 02:48.58 | streuner | http://vectorlinux.osuosl.org/docs/vl50/images/vl5soho/04_soho_icewm.jpg |
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| 02:51.04 | dbmoodb | hi ah... is debian lenny cpu throlleling by default.. even on k7 desktops ? |
| 02:51.21 | dbmoodb | like my cpu is being slightly variable not much just slightly ... cpu problems ? |
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| 02:53.12 | dbmoodb | like i expect small changes but i'm seeing highs of like 2105mhz and lows of 2070mhz |
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| 02:56.25 | dbmoodb | anyone got a comment -i'm assuming this is a normal range |
| 02:57.07 | pickcoder | dbmoodb: IIRC you have to install the powernow module |
| 02:57.19 | pickcoder | unless it's a lappy |
| 02:57.22 | dbmoodb | ok and if i do that ... what would happen |
| 02:57.31 | dbmoodb | its no laptop |
| 02:57.35 | pickcoder | it throttles the CPU to save power |
| 02:57.40 | dbmoodb | its a k7 tho ? |
| 02:57.56 | dbmoodb | AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ |
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| 02:58.20 | pickcoder | I'm no expert on lenny, so I'm probably not the best person to take advice as fact |
| 02:58.27 | dbmoodb | that's fine |
| 02:58.32 | Tommy_Mango | hahaha |
| 02:58.34 | debian2_6_24_1am | all bios throtteling settings off? |
| 02:59.08 | dbmoodb | well aren't any unless you count voltages / other thing potential range |
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| 02:59.40 | pickcoder | dbmoodb: where are you getting your freq stats from? |
| 03:00.03 | dbmoodb | gkrellm but i'm starting to think it isn't so accurate ... cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't change |
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| 03:00.37 | ``y7 | i set my grandparents up on debian and their isp is telling them that the router is not talking to the computer. if the ip address on the router(from the isp) changes, will it mess up debian or will debian auto adjust? i have debian setup with an internal ip and the default gateway is set to the router.... |
| 03:01.06 | dbmoodb | y7 the router just connects them to the net... and the debian computer connects via the router ? |
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| 03:01.13 | Tommy_Mango | like* |
| 03:01.25 | ``y7 | dbmoodb, yes |
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| 03:02.14 | dbmoodb | so why would it matter |
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| 03:02.33 | ``y7 | i didn't think it would, but i wanted to ask to make sure. |
| 03:02.46 | dbmoodb | y7 the debian computer is behind a router, the only thing that is changing is the ip on the external interface on the at router no ? |
| 03:02.48 | debian2_6_24_1am | are you talking about dhcp? |
| 03:02.50 | ``y7 | so if the ip from the isp changes, the debian machine shouldn't have any issues connecting to the router? |
| 03:02.54 | musikgoat | whats the likely cause of a package (in this case cpp) being held back? |
| 03:03.01 | ``y7 | dbmoodb, correct |
| 03:03.13 | dbmoodb | y7 the router's ip on the lan side would no change unless it is done with a monkey |
| 03:03.22 | musikgoat | hi dbmoodb |
| 03:03.25 | dbmoodb | in which case we are all doomed |
| 03:03.38 | pickcoder | monkeys are underestimated |
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| 03:03.59 | ``y7 | so what's most likely their problem? a cord isn't plugged in or the router is stuck on a dhcp address? |
| 03:04.10 | dbmoodb | y7 i don't know how you / they have it set up |
| 03:04.18 | dbmoodb | can you get remote access ? |
| 03:04.30 | ``y7 | i have it, but cannot connect |
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| 03:04.38 | dbmoodb | ok... so what changed |
| 03:04.38 | ``y7 | they called their ISP and the isp told them they can't see a machine on the router |
| 03:04.41 | pickcoder | ``y7: check your resolv.conf.. try pinging the router from debian, by IP first |
| 03:04.55 | pickcoder | if you can't ping the router it's not DNS - you have a net problem |
| 03:04.55 | dbmoodb | ah you there at their place ? |
| 03:05.01 | ``y7 | negative |
| 03:05.10 | ``y7 | that's the issue, i don't know if it's the debian machine or the isp |
| 03:05.13 | dbmoodb | y7 go dhcp |
| 03:05.18 | ``y7 | if it's the isp, i don't need to go, if it's the machine, i need to go |
| 03:05.21 | dbmoodb | ok y7 where are you are you there ... |
| 03:05.32 | dbmoodb | as in their physical location |
| 03:05.36 | ``y7 | no |
| 03:05.51 | dbmoodb | ok so it was previously working |
| 03:06.04 | ``y7 | yes |
| 03:06.09 | ``y7 | they woke up this morning and it was out |
| 03:06.24 | ``y7 | i just needed to know if in any way at all, debian would get messed up if their external ip changed |
| 03:06.28 | debian2_6_24_1am | did you reboot router and pc? |
| 03:06.35 | ``y7 | no and no |
| 03:06.38 | dbmoodb | ok tell them to reboot the router and then unlock the cable and replug the cable... |
| 03:06.41 | dbmoodb | or just reboot both |
| 03:06.47 | ``y7 | ok |
| 03:06.56 | dbmoodb | tell them just to reboot both of them the router first |
| 03:07.04 | ``y7 | ok, thank you |
| 03:07.45 | dbmoodb | y7 next time you go over take a look at what the set up is like how the network is setup |
| 03:10.22 | ``y7 | i know how it's setup via gui |
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| 03:11.00 | dbmoodb | y7 that isn't any thing like what i mean |
| 03:11.11 | Tommy_Mango | y7 that isn't any thing like what i mean |
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| 03:12.23 | dbmoodb | Tommy_Mango: stop being a parator |
| 03:12.39 | ``y7 | im pretty new to dbmoodb, im not going to be able to look at what you need and make any sense of it |
| 03:12.46 | ``y7 | new to debian* |
| 03:13.00 | dbmoodb | well you were able to install thing so you must have some understanding |
| 03:13.23 | dbmoodb | unless you went install_gui the installation is pretty ugly |
| 03:13.35 | ``y7 | i used net install |
| 03:13.38 | dbmoodb | (from a visual perspective for new users) |
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| 03:13.56 | dbmoodb | y7 you used a net installation ? |
| 03:14.00 | ``y7 | yes sir |
| 03:14.20 | dbmoodb | so ... how is that any different |
| 03:14.20 | Tommy_Mango | timmy wakeboard |
| 03:14.27 | Tommy_Mango | timmy wakeboard |
| 03:14.33 | dbmoodb | spam bot much ? |
| 03:14.33 | Tommy_Mango | timmy wakeboard |
| 03:14.33 | ``y7 | dbmoodb, i don't know :( |
| 03:14.34 | Tommy_Mango | timmy wakeboard |
| 03:14.38 | Tommy_Mango | timmy wakeboard |
| 03:14.39 | liable | !ops Tommy_Mango |
| 03:14.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: Tommy_Mango |
| 03:14.39 | Tommy_Mango | timmy wakeboard |
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| 03:14.46 | dbmoodb | spam bot |
| 03:14.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@CPE-65-26-213-95.wi.res.rr.com] by peterS |
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| 03:14.47 | pickcoder | liable: beat me to it |
| 03:14.52 | pickcoder | ;) |
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| 03:15.38 | ``y7 | i can't keep my eyes open any longer. i'll have them reboot the router/machine and check back in the morning. thanks for all of the help guys |
| 03:15.43 | Supaplex | !next |
| 03:15.44 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:16.00 | dbmoodb | y7 ? how late is it ... |
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| 03:31.13 | Madhat | how do i change my system clock? |
| 03:32.11 | dendrite | Depending on what you mean, the answer will probably be one of date, hwclock, or install ntp. |
| 03:33.08 | qoreqyas | console rss suggestions? |
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| 03:34.09 | ulama | has someone an idea how to solve that problem ... i am looking for a string "some string" in da /etc/, i know it is in a text file and might be in a subfolder, so at the end i need /etc/some/folder/text ... i came up with for f in /etc/*; do echo "$f"; grep -i some string "$f"; done which works but it also gives me all the folder where it doesn't find anything ... anybody a better solution? |
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| 03:34.49 | dendrite | ulama: grep -r keyword /etc/* |
| 03:34.55 | qoreqyas | ulama: man grep, look for -r .oO(and perhaps -i) |
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| 03:37.50 | l43a2 | :| |
| 03:38.02 | l43a2 | windows is awesome. |
| 03:38.21 | Lokii- | LoL |
| 03:38.41 | ulama | hmmm dendrite qoreqyas that was more easy than i thought ... thanks |
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| 03:48.44 | Nyle | hi |
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| 03:51.38 | Nyle | blasts Type o Negative in #debian |
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| 03:51.41 | Nyle | wake everybody up |
| 03:52.14 | kgod | shoots Nyle with a tranquilizer dart |
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| 03:58.24 | poseidon | what is the backport repository for lenny? "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" didn't work |
| 03:59.00 | Nyle | poseidon: I don't think there is one |
| 03:59.01 | Nyle | !bpo |
| 03:59.02 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 04:00.00 | poseidon | Nyle, so it's only for etch? |
| 04:01.31 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 04:01.48 | Nyle | testing is very similar to unstable,where the backports are usually done from |
| 04:02.00 | Nyle | you don't have to use backports if you are on lenny |
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| 04:02.11 | Nyle | just install the sid package, though beware sometimes that can cause dependency problems |
| 04:04.21 | Madhat | how do you change the time on a cli interface? |
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| 04:05.59 | Supaplex | madhat by using a stable isp first ;) |
| 04:06.05 | SammyFoodRun | hey apple_11!!! |
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| 04:15.46 | IceFrog | How do i fix apache so it doesn't display a file in ascii form, but to give download prompt instead |
| 04:18.26 | pickcoder | IceFrog: that's up to MIME |
| 04:18.30 | pickcoder | and the browser |
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| 04:19.15 | sulo | Hi |
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| 04:20.19 | sulo | I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I can't log into X (or rather, start gnome), because if I do, network-manager takes over and messes up my network connection. How do I disable nm? |
| 04:21.20 | pickcoder | sulo: uninstall it? |
| 04:21.34 | pickcoder | network-mangler I like to call it |
| 04:21.43 | sulo | pickcoder heh. yeah |
| 04:21.45 | Supaplex | IceFrog: you can also override the mimetypes |
| 04:21.49 | IceFrog | on my other server it didn't do that though, is there a specific mime type i can put on the server to make it download? |
| 04:21.55 | pickcoder | Supaplex: shhh! |
| 04:21.56 | sulo | pickcoder ok, I'll try that |
| 04:22.48 | pickcoder | IceFrog: yeah, you can change the default mime type sent in the config, for .txt files |
| 04:24.27 | IceFrog | there is a default mime type? |
| 04:24.47 | jmhealey | yes, white makeup is the default mime type |
| 04:25.02 | IceFrog | so how do i change it so it defaults to non-txt |
| 04:25.41 | pickcoder | jmhealey: that's a good one.. |
| 04:25.44 | Supaplex | google site:apache.org mimetype |
| 04:25.48 | jmhealey | i'm sorry, i couldn't resist. i'll shutup now (also, they are usually very silent by default) |
| 04:26.03 | sulo | is it a good sign that a user 'nobody' is running a heavy find on my harddrive? |
| 04:26.40 | Supaplex | sulo: sounds like updatedb |
| 04:26.47 | sulo | Supaplex okay |
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| 04:28.38 | sulo | pickcoder I removed network-manager and network-manager-gnome, but starting a gnome-session still brings down the net. What if I remove all the gnome config files in my user's home dir? |
| 04:29.56 | slxix | why don't you start gnome from another account instead of deleting all of your config files? :) |
| 04:29.57 | pickcoder | sulo: I don't remember having that issue the last time I removed it. Do you have gdm running? |
| 04:30.12 | sulo | What does it mean when apt-get says it cannot authenticate a package upon doing 'apt-get install <package>'? |
| 04:30.28 | sulo | pickcoder yeah |
| 04:30.48 | sulo | slxix well, I guess that could be another option :-) |
| 04:31.06 | Supaplex | sulo: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key also in /topic |
| 04:31.24 | pickcoder | try killing it with ctrl-alt-backspace. it should restart automatically if it's in your init.d |
| 04:31.42 | sulo | pickcoder allright |
| 04:31.45 | sulo | thanks |
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| 04:32.28 | sulo | pickcoder wohoo, that did it :-) thanks a bunch |
| 04:32.38 | Supaplex | ACK |
| 04:32.47 | Supaplex | I just fubard the laser pen :`( |
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| 04:33.33 | pickcoder | Supaplex: trying to change the wavelength? heh |
| 04:33.59 | slxix | maybe he tried to power it with a car battery. :) |
| 04:34.10 | Supaplex | I accidently sheared the leads off |
| 04:34.37 | pickcoder | decapitation is never good for anything |
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| 04:36.17 | pickcoder | Supaplex: battery leads? |
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| 04:37.32 | Supaplex | on the laser diode |
| 04:37.33 | akio | i have a dell latitude d600 that i need to reset the eeprom and service tag and all that but it looks like the easiest way is to crack the password on it, is there something i can use in the debian repos? |
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| 04:41.02 | cjg | hi how do I install my Geforce FX card? |
| 04:41.02 | pickcoder | akio: reset? |
| 04:41.19 | cjg | !tell cjg about nvidia oneliner |
| 04:41.27 | Supaplex | cjg: open the cover, stick it in a compatible slot? :) |
| 04:41.31 | akio | its an eeprom that holds the service tag and password, very hard to reset |
| 04:41.41 | Maliuta | cjg: well you open the case and put it in the correct slot on the motherboard |
| 04:41.45 | slxix | Supaplex: turn off the computer, unplug the power supply... |
| 04:42.11 | pickcoder | akio: tried a firmware update with the same version? |
| 04:42.36 | sulo | When running gdm and gnome-session, which is the preferred script to run some user-specific commands at gnome-start? |
| 04:42.39 | cjg | I mean the drivers |
| 04:42.40 | akio | why would that reset the password, that seems too easy but its worth a try |
| 04:42.42 | cjg | for debian |
| 04:42.57 | akio | pickcoder: ruby dev? |
| 04:42.59 | Supaplex | akio: desktop or laptop? |
| 04:43.09 | akio | laptop, latitude d600 |
| 04:43.19 | cjg | Linux igen 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:43.28 | cjg | im using 2.4 kernel, will that be a problem? |
| 04:43.30 | pickcoder | akio: hm.. the password for the BIOS setup would be cleared but I dunno about the service tag |
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| 04:44.02 | Supaplex | cjg: why not upgrade to etch? old-stable isn't really supported anymore. |
| 04:44.05 | akio | it looks like there is an admin password that is locking boot order and most everything else important |
| 04:44.31 | sulo | i.e., where do I run a mouse-daemon, change the PATH etc? I guess it used to be .xinitrc, but it seems not to be anylonger |
| 04:44.32 | akio | the firmware update sounds like a good start |
| 04:44.40 | akio | ill try that first as its the easiest |
| 04:44.55 | cjg | how do I do that Supaplex ? |
| 04:45.11 | cjg | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4? |
| 04:45.53 | Supaplex | !tell cjg -about sarge->etch |
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| 04:51.14 | olczyk | Hi. All. I'm setting up a box which will be used mainly as a firewall/.router, printer server, occasional file server and some generic surfing when other comps cannot surf. What would be a nice light window manager for it? |
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| 04:53.24 | Supaplex | olczyk: openbox |
| 04:53.38 | sulo | olczyk: fluxbox has been a personal favourite of mine for a couple of years now |
| 04:53.39 | Supaplex | my preference anyway :) |
| 04:53.45 | pickcoder | nite all |
| 04:53.55 | o2T7 | Hi, one of my stations get automagically added to the server's /etc/hosts.deny file. Why could this be happening? |
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| 04:54.26 | cjg | !ask dpkg about nvidia oneliner |
| 04:54.36 | cjg | !tell dpkg about nvidia oneliner |
| 04:54.37 | olczyk | Since the names are similar, are openbox and fluxbox similar? |
| 04:54.49 | Supaplex | cjg: /query dpkg |
| 04:55.19 | Supaplex | olczyk: apt-cache show openbox not really. |
| 04:55.50 | o2T7 | Hi, one of my stations get automagically added to the server's /etc/hosts.deny file. Why could this be happening? (sorry if I repeated the question) |
| 04:56.02 | cjg | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 04:56.24 | cjg | wtf |
| 04:56.49 | o2T7 | cjg: If you're using lenny it isn't in the repositories |
| 04:57.12 | cjg | how do I tell what im using? |
| 04:57.21 | Supaplex | his 2.4 kernel suggested he was using sarge |
| 04:57.28 | cjg | nah I updated it |
| 04:57.30 | o2T7 | cjg: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:57.32 | cjg | Linux igen 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sat May 24 10:24:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:57.38 | cjg | I installed with sarge |
| 04:57.56 | cjg | 4.0 |
| 04:58.41 | Supaplex | !sarge |
| 04:58.41 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 04:58.49 | Supaplex | sarge is 3.1 |
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| 04:59.05 | Supaplex | do you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list? |
| 04:59.35 | o2T7 | I regenerated my id_rsa after upgrading ssh, but I am getting blacklisted in my server... Do you know why could this be happening? |
| 04:59.37 | cjg | ah no |
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| 05:00.15 | cjg | what line do I add for that? |
| 05:00.36 | Supaplex | !sources.list |
| 05:00.36 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 05:02.53 | cjg | I cant work it out |
| 05:03.08 | cjg | I put deb-src ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ contrib non-free |
| 05:03.13 | cjg | but it was no good |
| 05:04.25 | Supaplex | you need main too |
| 05:04.37 | Supaplex | and you want deb, not deb-src |
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| 05:08.39 | cjg | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ contrib non-free main |
| 05:08.40 | cjg | ? |
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| 05:09.05 | Supaplex | sure |
| 05:09.11 | cjg | didnt work |
| 05:09.22 | cjg | kept getting not found errors |
| 05:09.30 | cjg | when I updated |
| 05:09.48 | cjg | please use pastebin to show me what I should have in /etc/apt/sources |
| 05:10.11 | Supaplex | you might be fetching the wrong package |
| 05:10.13 | stew | cjg: you need a release name. you want "etch contrib non-free main" |
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| 05:10.53 | stew | somehow it just hurts to see main at the end :) |
| 05:11.02 | Supaplex | i'm running amd64 so it's no suprise I have no nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
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| 05:11.37 | olczyk | When i change a configuration file, I make a point of copying it into "file_name".n where n is the first free number. Will i hjave problems if I do that in init.d? |
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| 05:12.31 | stew | olczyk: no, you'd have a problem if you did that in the /etc/init.d/rc?.d directories that symlink into init.d |
| 05:14.00 | olczyk | stew, thanks. Just trying to be carefull. |
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| 05:22.32 | H2S04 | hmmmm |
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| 05:23.30 | Supaplex | things that make H2S04 go hmmmm |
| 05:23.51 | H2S04 | Hmmmm! |
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| 05:36.46 | H2S04 | cjg: alsaconf |
| 05:37.00 | H2S04 | cjg: need to be root. |
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| 05:39.07 | |Ryan52 | I need help with exim configs. I have "dc_readhost='home'" but I need it to be whatever is in /etc/mailname. (so jetty.home, for example) How do I do that? (update-exim4.conf.conf is installed by a private package on 50 servers and its not practical to change it on every server) |
| 05:39.47 | |Ryan52 | note that I am not good with exim, postfix is the MTA I know. So...this may be a dumb question. |
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| 05:42.58 | cjg | H2S04: no such package or file |
| 05:43.39 | Supaplex | !install it |
| 05:43.42 | Supaplex | !installit |
| 05:43.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 05:46.20 | kash | DCC SEND "lol" 0 0 0 |
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| 05:46.31 | liable | wanker |
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| 06:00.24 | Decepticon | is there a website where people show off their setups, so i can buy similar hardware and get similar softwares by looking at pictures/screenshots/specs |
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| 06:11.58 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way for me to have an apache2 vhost listen on two ports, or must I have to identical (besides the <VirtualHost :port> directive) vhosts? |
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| 06:17.43 | PhrkOnLsh | is stupider than he thinks; add the second port after the first <VirtualHost *:80 *:81> |
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| 06:30.02 | neon2323 | http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/1370978/amazing_balance_of_coins.swf o_O |
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| 06:38.10 | cjg | E: Couldn't find package alsacon |
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| 06:38.18 | cjg | E: Couldn't find package alsaconf |
| 06:38.30 | enouf | alsa-utils |
| 06:39.33 | Supaplex | btw, apt-file search bin/alsaconf or packages.debian.org can tell you that too. also mentioned in the !search factoid earlier. |
| 06:39.51 | DanDare | dpkg |
| 06:39.54 | DanDare | ouch |
| 06:39.57 | DanDare | !dpkg |
| 06:39.58 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 06:40.42 | rhineheart_m | hello.. is there a file needed for debian to display flash files? |
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| 06:41.18 | DanDare | !search |
| 06:41.18 | DanDare | god the topic is there |
| 06:41.18 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 06:42.07 | Supaplex | !flash |
| 06:42.07 | dpkg | methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:46.03 | rhineheart_m | so you mean.. I need to install flash player for my debian box so that it could display flash file in the browser in the other end? |
| 06:46.26 | rhineheart_m | flash (server-side) <<? |
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| 06:47.04 | DanDare | rhineheart_m, do you want to display flash files using internet browser ? |
| 06:47.14 | rhineheart_m | DanDare, yeah. |
| 06:47.29 | WormFood | ugh! did sid break scim? it was working great, now I apt-get update/upgrade, and reboot, and it no longer works...won't even run from a terminal. It goes through all the motions and exits with "Failed to launch SCIM." :( |
| 06:47.36 | Supaplex | the !flash part applys to playing. a normal webserver is all that's needed to serve them |
| 06:48.16 | DanDare | rhineheart_m, i never tested but the package (on etch) libfalsh-mozplugin seens to be what you need |
| 06:48.32 | DanDare | *libflash-mozpulgin |
| 06:48.41 | DanDare | damn *libflash-mozplugin |
| 06:49.25 | Supaplex | !typosmite DanDare |
| 06:49.25 | dpkg | makes DanDare raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 06:49.26 | Supaplex | :) |
| 06:49.27 | rhineheart_m | DanDare, so in the server-side it needs libflash-mozplugin to serve flash files over the internet? |
| 06:49.35 | DanDare | ahahaha |
| 06:49.47 | Supaplex | rhineheart_m: the !flash part applys to playing. a normal webserver is all that's needed to serve them |
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| 06:50.26 | Supaplex | eg, like apache |
| 06:50.42 | rhineheart_m | Supaplex, so no need for anything other than the embeded flash file in html to serve it for windows users too? |
| 06:51.00 | rhineheart_m | I am using apache actually... |
| 06:51.01 | Supaplex | that's right. |
| 06:51.38 | DanDare | rhineheart_m, a link on the html poiting to the file... and if the client have the players it will just plays |
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| 06:52.20 | rhineheart_m | so I don't need this "libflash-mozplugin" anymore.. correct? |
| 06:52.25 | DanDare | no. |
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| 06:53.02 | DanDare | you just needs serve the files on the correct format to be played over internet |
| 06:53.12 | enouf | use ogg theora/vorbis |
| 06:53.38 | lvh | hello. If I want to talk to my virtualbox machine (winxp) FROM my debian host, can I use virtualbox' NAT mode, or is making a TAP device required? |
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| 06:54.37 | arussel | how can I tell mc that a .rar file is just a zip file so I can "go" into it ? |
| 06:54.47 | cvn | hi how do i automatically disconnect all inactive users on ssh? i wanted to make sure they don't do ssh tunnelling |
| 06:55.08 | defrysk | arussel, mv it to a .zip file ? |
| 06:55.24 | arussel | defrysk: yes |
| 06:55.44 | Supaplex | cvn: man sshd_config - non interactive users can usually setup tunnels anyway |
| 06:56.07 | defrysk | mv blah.rar blah.zip |
| 06:56.49 | cvn | Supaplex is there a way to restrict them from doing so? |
| 06:57.06 | arussel | defrysk: sorry, I misunderstood your question. I don't want to mv it. I want to see what's in it and edit its file (same you can do with .zip) |
| 06:57.26 | \amethyst | cvn: they can always run their own forwarders if you give them shell access |
| 06:57.38 | Supaplex | yes, the man pages say so. i don't know off the top of my head |
| 06:59.35 | slxix | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080409110634 mentions on how to "prevent ssh tunneling" |
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| 07:05.11 | cvn | slxix will it be feasible if i just set a ClientAliveInterval to restrict ssh tunnelling? |
| 07:06.50 | slxix | i don't know more than the web search. |
| 07:07.37 | slxix | but i do know that if you give a user an in and an out, they can tunnel. :) |
| 07:07.53 | samantha-- | i'm using remote desktop viewer to attempt to a vnc server. when i do it from the laptop, it works. when i do it from the desktop, it exits immediately. wtf? |
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| 07:08.40 | slxix | i think i remember watching a video of someone using ppp over a webpage/javascript to bypass a firewall. |
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| 07:18.33 | Hyphenex | I'm trying to connect to a vncserver session, but the colours are all wrong :( |
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| 07:21.57 | erpo | cvn: I think your question is being interpreted improperly. Are you the administrator of an ssh server, and are you trying to prevent incoming ssh connections from setting up local or remote port forwarding? |
| 07:22.38 | cvn | erpo yeah |
| 07:23.26 | Supaplex | EVAGUE |
| 07:23.35 | Supaplex | yeah to WHICH question? |
| 07:23.51 | Supaplex | nm. both it would seem. |
| 07:24.06 | cvn | to erpo's question |
| 07:24.23 | erpo | cvn: You might look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config -- you can allow or disallow X11 forwarding there, so you may be able to disable general port forwarding there too. |
| 07:24.40 | Hyphenex | if I've just plugged in a USB phone, and I want to see what devices (/dev/*) it created for it, is there a way to view the hardware connection logs? |
| 07:24.55 | erpo | cvn: Actually, scratch that. Local and remote port fowarding can still be accomplished even if sshd on the server won't cooperate. |
| 07:25.01 | wols_ | Hyphenex: check dmesg |
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| 07:25.10 | Supaplex | AllowTcpForwarding ala man sshd_config. |
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| 07:25.25 | cvn | i put AllowTcpForwarding to NO |
| 07:25.27 | erpo | cvn: What you need to do is limit the server's users' ability to bind to ports (for -R style port fowarding) and to initiate TCP/IP connects (for -L style port fowarding). |
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| 07:25.58 | erpo | cvn: Yeah, actually, that's not good enough because users can still get around it. |
| 07:26.14 | cvn | hmm.. what else do i need? X11 and TCP forwarding is set to no |
| 07:26.33 | erpo | cvn: You don't need the cooperation of sshd to do port fowarding. |
| 07:26.37 | jaggz- | how can I map Win-F11/F12 to volume-up volume-down? KeyTouch was a nice program for multimedia keyboards -- but now I'm using a kb without any extra keys |
| 07:26.44 | erpo | cvn: Why are you trying to prevent port fowarding in the first place? |
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| 07:28.26 | cvn | i saw it on a web, not sure if it's correct, erpo |
| 07:28.39 | cjg_ | how do I get my wifi working? I want to access the net via wifi with dhcp |
| 07:28.58 | erpo | cvn: I can't help you unless you answer my question. |
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| 07:29.58 | cvn | erpo i was searching for ssh tunnel restriction on google when one of the forum stated to set allowtcpforwarding to NO, so i did that |
| 07:30.12 | Supaplex | !wireless |
| 07:30.13 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. I may have information on your model, try asking me (eg. /msg dpkg wg311), also ask about <listkeys>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>. |
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| 07:31.07 | cjg_ | what's my wireless |
| 07:31.15 | erpo | cvn: I repeat: Why are you trying to prevent port fowarding in the first place? |
| 07:31.28 | erpo | cjg_: /msg dpkg what's my wireless |
| 07:31.47 | cvn | erpo i dont want users to use my connection for torrenting, etc |
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| 07:32.42 | erpo | cvn: Ok. Now let's look at the problem from the opposite direction. What DO you want your users to be able to do? |
| 07:33.13 | cjg_ | I done /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan |
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| 07:33.17 | cjg_ | now what? |
| 07:33.32 | cvn | erpo i only wanted them to be able to load some processes, like psybnc and so on |
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| 07:33.47 | cgibin | how well i read the "mysql.log.3.gz" may be a binary file. See it anyway? |
| 07:33.59 | cjg_ | 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 07:34.00 | cjg_ | thats it |
| 07:34.02 | cjg_ | in lspci |
| 07:34.29 | erpo | cgibin: zless mysql.logl.3.gz |
| 07:34.47 | erpo | cgibin: Or zcat mysql.log.3.gz | less |
| 07:35.05 | cgibin | zless doesnt work zless is not for opening binary file |
| 07:35.13 | cgibin | let me see the zcat |
| 07:36.02 | cgibin | comes out empty with zcat. not sure if it is empty or what.. |
| 07:36.10 | jaggz- | how do I map win-f12 to volume up? |
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| 07:36.17 | frog | hi, i gess, i read somewhere, that linux automatically kills processes, when the ressources are overloaded. could someone tell me where(in which man maybe) i could find it? |
| 07:36.20 | enouf | file -z |
| 07:36.27 | cgibin | cant be empty 20 |
| 07:37.21 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 07:37.55 | \amethyst | frog: it's mm/oom_kill.c in the kernel source |
| 07:38.10 | cjg_ | ok, is there any x application to configure my wifi easy? like the ssid and password |
| 07:38.12 | erpo | cvn: You could use iptables to prevent users from connecting to anything but specified IRC servers. Alternatively, you could prevent users from connecting to anything but IRC ports. That would provide very little protection against users running torrent applications in theory, but I think it would work for you in practice. |
| 07:38.16 | cjg_ | and to scan for networks |
| 07:38.44 | erpo | cvn: Alternately, you can let users do whatever they want and just monitor the heck out of them. Any user who runs any unapproved program will have his/her account revoked. |
| 07:38.53 | enouf | frog: also google /overcommit_memory and _ratio in /proc/sys/vm/ |
| 07:39.02 | erpo | cjg_: NetworkManager is what Ubuntu uses, and it's pretty good. |
| 07:39.21 | erpo | cjg_: If you need more control, wicd is good but not as polished. |
| 07:39.28 | cvn | erpo but i saw a user who stays in ssh for a long time daily, was pretty sure he was using ssh tunneling (if i'm not wrong) |
| 07:39.48 | erpo | cvn: Use wireshark or tcpdump on the server to see what's happening. |
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| 07:40.12 | wols_ | cjg_: have you set up your wlan drivers already? |
| 07:40.12 | cvn | i'll check that out now, erpo thanks ^^ |
| 07:40.15 | \amethyst | cvn: he could be mounting his directory with sshfs |
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| 07:40.25 | enouf | cvn: then slay their ass |
| 07:40.47 | cvn | yeah enouf slayed :p |
| 07:41.13 | wols_ | cvn: luser management BofH-style |
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| 07:41.35 | erpo | cvn: You might also try checking in sshd's log files. It may tell you when a user sets up port forwarding. |
| 07:41.51 | \amethyst | it won't tell you if they do it with netcat |
| 07:42.31 | Decepticon | is there a site for hardware known to work on debian |
| 07:42.36 | erpo | \amethyst: Yeah, I'm betting potential port fowarders would use ssh port forwarding since it's easier and not currently blocked. netcat is a fallback. |
| 07:42.49 | Decepticon | i am looking specifically for a 100% compatible wireless card pci card |
| 07:42.57 | \amethyst | !hcl |
| 07:42.58 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 07:43.26 | enouf | atheros and ralink? |
| 07:43.27 | wols_ | Decepticon: none works out of the box |
| 07:43.39 | enouf | yeah, wifi sucks ass |
| 07:43.45 | wols_ | I'd suggest atheros or intel |
| 07:43.56 | streuner | heh |
| 07:44.00 | Decepticon | i see, i will take my chances with the best one then |
| 07:44.02 | streuner | !wireless |
| 07:44.03 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. I may have information on your model, try asking me (eg. /msg dpkg wg311), also ask about <listkeys>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>. |
| 07:44.15 | JyZyXEL | !beer |
| 07:44.16 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 07:44.17 | liable | lots work out of the box |
| 07:44.19 | Decepticon | im wanting to buy one, if anyone has a recommendation, let me know |
| 07:44.29 | streuner | hm, where is the nice URL of HP? :-) |
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| 07:45.00 | erpo | Decepticon: I'm using an Intel Pro Wireless 2200 chip in my laptop and it worked out of the box on Ubuntu 8.04. |
| 07:45.08 | enouf | Decepticon: sort of a guide http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html maybe a bit dated |
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| 07:45.41 | Sortudo | Hello from Brazil, some help please! |
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| 07:46.21 | enouf | Decepticon: IINM, atheros uses madwifi and intel's newer iwlwifi outlined here http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 07:46.31 | Decepticon | thanks |
| 07:47.08 | wols_ | enouf: very dated. and while ralink is free, the cards itself are not ideal |
| 07:47.15 | cvn | erpo installed wireshark, what do i need to do? |
| 07:47.17 | enouf | yeah, the ipw2200.sf.net have been around a long time now - not sure you can even find them |
| 07:47.29 | enouf | wols_: right .. shame |
| 07:47.50 | erpo | cvn: Run it and capture packets while the mystery user is connected. Then, look over the packet logs to see if lots of strange connections are being initiated. |
| 07:48.00 | enouf | wols_: or ... their older ones were desirable, not so anymore |
| 07:48.13 | liable | realtek, even the broadcom guys are working on an opensource firmware |
| 07:48.26 | wols_ | liable: both are still shit |
| 07:48.37 | cvn | erpo i got this error: (wireshark:9623): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 07:48.47 | enouf | liable: tell us about the firmwarez needed ;-) |
| 07:48.48 | cjg_ | how do I run network manager |
| 07:48.57 | erpo | cvn: Use tcpdump on a headless box. |
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| 07:49.08 | wols_ | cjg_: install it and run it |
| 07:49.11 | erpo | cvn: You might want to combine that with screen so you don't have to keep a terminal window open all the time. |
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| 07:50.02 | cjg_ | command now found |
| 07:50.11 | enouf | Sortudo: just ask - in english here, or see #debian-br |
| 07:50.42 | cvn | ok erpo i runned tcpdump and i got flooded with stuffs lol, how do i distinguish port forwarding? |
| 07:51.42 | erpo | cvn: The first thing you need to do is set up tcpdump to log packets to disk so you can pore over them at your leisure. Then look for suspicious connections. |
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| 07:53.18 | cvn | hmm okay thats gonna kill my diskspace lol |
| 07:53.44 | Supaplex | yeh think? |
| 07:54.05 | frog | \amethyst enouf: thank you |
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| 07:56.56 | liable | finally switched over to imap and set up a script for spamassasin to learn junk |
| 07:57.06 | liable | dunno why i didnt do this earlier.. |
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| 07:58.39 | Sortudo | Please! someone could help me to analize my wireless PCMCIA modem, becose it have contantily hangup ;( |
| 07:58.58 | cvn | erpo does the tcpforwarding and x11forwarding restriction disable file transfers? |
| 08:00.38 | erpo | cvn: You are thinking about the problem the wrong way. |
| 08:00.54 | enouf | Sortudo: that would be a PCMCIA wireless card, no? not a 'modem', eh? |
| 08:01.04 | erpo | cvn: ssh tcp forwarding is one way to get data back and forth between two computers. There are many, many ways to do this even if you disable tcp forwarding. |
| 08:01.05 | cvn | hmm okay just wondering |
| 08:01.17 | liable | Sortudo: some more information is needed. what card is it? what do you mean by lockup? security mode? what debian version? |
| 08:02.12 | erpo | cvn: You know what? Just read the user's .bash_history file. It's not foolproof, but it's a place to start. |
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| 08:04.06 | enouf | hey guys; someone please try --> /cs list #debain*br or similar ..do you get?-> ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. Ever since they changed/did that global notice crap ~3-5 days ago, Chanserv is pooping it's pants |
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| 08:04.55 | liable | whats /cs? |
| 08:04.57 | enouf | ..and , i did disconnect and reconnect |
| 08:05.07 | liable | irssi doesnt know it |
| 08:05.09 | enouf | liable: shorthand for /msg Chanserv |
| 08:05.19 | liable | oh |
| 08:05.23 | enouf | liable: but /msg Chanserv produces the same |
| 08:05.54 | liable | same result |
| 08:06.13 | enouf | gah .. thanks for testing |
| 08:06.25 | cvn | /cs uses B lines :p irssi may not recognise that |
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| 08:06.54 | liable | what are B lines? |
| 08:07.02 | enouf | goes over to #freenode{-connect} to ask what's the dealio |
| 08:07.04 | liable | feels like an irc n00b |
| 08:08.25 | arussel | is there a package for emacs manual ? I can't find it on testing. |
| 08:08.52 | enouf | wowl, hehe, /join #freenode .. i'm the only one there O_o |
| 08:09.10 | liable | operstatus! |
| 08:09.18 | peterrooney | arussel: emacs-lisp-intro should get you started - though you might accidentally learn lisp along the way |
| 08:09.39 | hoxu | enouf, http://blog.freenode.net/ |
| 08:09.52 | hoxu | enouf, search for "alis" |
| 08:10.14 | enouf | omg, read the /topic, lmao |
| 08:10.15 | arussel | peterrooney: no, I am looking for the emacs manual, usually shipped with emacs. (emacs-lisp-intro is *really* good btw) |
| 08:10.19 | enouf | hoxu: thanks |
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| 08:11.48 | arussel | peterrooney: at work on ubuntu, C-h i, you get the emacs manual in the emacs section, but on debian testing I can't find it. Did I fucked up my config somewhere ? |
| 08:11.51 | Sortudo | Please! I make a paste.bin http://paste.ubuntu.com/18291/ <> that contain, pppd debug file output, resolv.conf, ifconfig, route, lsmod etc... could you help me to analize it ? |
| 08:11.58 | enouf | hoxu: what a dump! .. how dare they! ;-) |
| 08:12.00 | Sortudo | modem hangging up !!!! |
| 08:12.01 | extor | Which is the most flexible firmware for a linksys flashable router? I am looking for something that allows pass-through DHCP assignments and also makes NAT optional and not mandatory |
| 08:12.07 | peterrooney | arussel: do you have info installed? |
| 08:12.13 | arussel | peterrooney: yes |
| 08:12.30 | liable | Sortudo: oh, this is a hsdpa card? |
| 08:12.49 | arussel | peterrooney: but "info emacs" just shows the faq, not the manual |
| 08:13.02 | Sortudo | liabe, i will lookfor what is hsdpa card |
| 08:13.17 | liable | nevermind, i know what it is |
| 08:13.33 | Sortudo | it is a pcmcia wireless modem, 3G evdo |
| 08:13.40 | liable | yes |
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| 08:13.50 | Sortudo | mobile internet |
| 08:14.12 | enouf | Oh ffs ... so, now, i have to use /msg alis list #whatever** .. and look what it tells me :-/ -ALIS- Returning maximum of 60 channel names matching '#debain*br' |
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| 08:14.22 | enouf | ALIS- End of output |
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| 08:14.59 | enouf | why are people always breaking shit! |
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| 08:15.18 | arussel | peterrooney: apparently emacs-doc package is in non-free ... |
| 08:16.35 | Sortudo | liable: YES! High-Speed Downlink Packet Access ou HSDPA |
| 08:16.36 | arussel | peterrooney: http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.emacs/2007-07/msg00015.html |
| 08:16.45 | k-man | how can i monitor why my ftp connection is failing using tcpdump? |
| 08:16.55 | liable | Sortudo: its quite difficult to debug those connections. I dont think i can help. this is my notes from using a sierra card. they may help or not... http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/Using_the_Sierra_mc8755_WWAN_card_under_linux |
| 08:17.22 | hoxu | !hug enouf |
| 08:17.22 | dpkg | gives enouf a hug |
| 08:17.54 | enouf | !get your steenken paws off me! :-P |
| 08:18.09 | enouf | i'm fucken pissed though .. |
| 08:18.20 | arussel | peterrooney: the package to install is emacs22-common-non-dfsg (obviously ...) |
| 08:18.20 | liable | drunk or angry? |
| 08:18.31 | enouf | not drunk .. sadly |
| 08:18.48 | liable | sounds like it may be time to do so :) |
| 08:19.17 | Dewi | yeah, don't get pissed, just get pissed |
| 08:19.29 | Sortudo | liable: is that possible that my card have some conflict with acpi=off parametres? |
| 08:20.22 | liable | tries to see if his other nick is registered |
| 08:20.47 | enouf | it's just that, i really only used that feature to help others (mostly non-english speakers) find channels they can communicate in .. and so now guess what, Fuck em, i can't help them anymore |
| 08:20.54 | liable | Sortudo: it looks like you are connecting ok, but some settings for the cell you are connecting may not be right |
| 08:21.00 | enouf | Thanks Freenode |
| 08:21.07 | liable | aww |
| 08:21.55 | enouf | !congratulate freenode staff |
| 08:21.55 | dpkg | Yay freenode staff, you did it! |
| 08:22.05 | _apk | hi! :) |
| 08:22.14 | _apk | goodmorning to all! :) |
| 08:22.24 | liable | ehlo |
| 08:22.47 | _apk | oh liable are you good with postfix? ;) |
| 08:22.50 | liable | all this new fangdangled technoligy |
| 08:22.54 | Sortudo | liable: it already worked very fine, i dont know what could be changed to it start to hangup so many times |
| 08:23.14 | liable | _apk: certainly not. i find mail to be surprisingly complex |
| 08:23.26 | _apk | oh ok np :) |
| 08:23.32 | Dewi | liable: it's only surprising that nobody seems to be fixing it |
| 08:23.47 | Dewi | liable: its complexity relates to how broken it is |
| 08:23.50 | _apk | I'm crying trying to find why SpamAssassin is tagging also all my outgoing mail... |
| 08:24.25 | _apk | and no one can help me (postfix and SA mailin-lists, #postfix and #spamassassin, and some NewsGroups) :( |
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| 08:24.47 | _apk | goodmorning giorgian :) |
| 08:25.13 | Dewi | _apk: why is it looking at your outgoing mail? |
| 08:25.19 | Dewi | _apk: if you don't want it to do that... |
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| 08:25.39 | _apk | I don't know how to tell postfix to not send outgoing mail throw postfix |
| 08:25.54 | enouf | s/throw/through |
| 08:26.02 | _apk | someone told me that the correct way, maybe, is to work on postfix and not on Spamassassin |
| 08:26.11 | liable | s/postfix/spamass/ |
| 08:26.21 | Dewi | _apk: you still want postfix to do your outgoing mail, but I don't know how you can accidentally hook spamassassin into that chain |
| 08:26.33 | Dewi | _apk: normally you just put SA into the incoming mail hooks |
| 08:26.49 | Dewi | _apk: unless all your mail is going through postfix twice or something... |
| 08:26.53 | _apk | watch here if you want: http://groups.google.it/group/alt.comp.mail.postfix/browse_thread/thread/dc6bda24c7436702?hl=it# |
| 08:27.19 | H2S04 | Hmmmm |
| 08:27.19 | \amethyst | Dewi: does postfix not run incoming hooks for stuff that comes in through /usr/lib/sendmail ? |
| 08:27.21 | liable | and what the hell are you sending if its all marked as spam? |
| 08:27.40 | _apk | liable, calm down :P |
| 08:27.45 | Dewi | \amethyst: I don't know, I don't normally use sendmail |
| 08:27.49 | _apk | I'm writing from a dynamic ip address |
| 08:28.01 | \amethyst | Dewi: err, most programs that send email do so through /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 08:28.08 | liable | _apk: i am calm. i should have added a smiley, but the question still stands :P |
| 08:28.08 | _apk | and Spamassassin is done to check only incoming message |
| 08:28.21 | Dewi | \amethyst: no, most MUAs use SMTP |
| 08:28.37 | _apk | and so it thinks that my mail is coming from an RBL listed IP |
| 08:28.47 | Dewi | \amethyst: besides, sendmail normally just works, I don't need to test it :) |
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| 08:28.53 | _apk | i'll show you liable :) |
| 08:29.06 | \amethyst | Dewi: depends on whether they were originally written for non-Unix systems |
| 08:29.30 | _apk | liable, here: http://pastebin.com/m5f57fd46 |
| 08:29.40 | simonrvn | hotmail actually refused am email from here... first time ever. |
| 08:29.57 | _apk | is a mail sent from my pc authenticated via smtp auth to my postfix server, to a gmail account |
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| 08:30.12 | _apk | those are some lines from the header of the mail received in gmail... |
| 08:30.16 | liable | _apk: heres a really good page for setting up postfix http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/en.html |
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| 08:30.44 | _apk | liable, yes I know that page |
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| 08:30.50 | \amethyst | _apk: http://howto.gumph.org/content/configure-spamassassin/ mentions how to only scan email coming in through one particular interface |
| 08:31.00 | _apk | and there are many others too..but the problem is that my configuration is very simple |
| 08:31.20 | liable | _apk: have you set a blacklist database thing in postfix? |
| 08:31.25 | _apk | only postfix (with unix account and not with a DB) + SpamAssassin + dovecot |
| 08:31.33 | Dewi | _apk: what's your $my_domains ? |
| 08:31.48 | Dewi | or whatever it's called |
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| 08:31.54 | _apk | \amethyst, does he suggest to change port to listen to? |
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| 08:32.26 | _apk | oh yes...I've read it already...I thought that there was a simpler solution... |
| 08:32.33 | ma3x | why when i copy a 1gb file to usb stick, it goes at high speed until %30 of the file and then starts copying very slow |
| 08:32.40 | _apk | Dewi: ordanomade.org |
| 08:32.48 | Dewi | _apk: what's your mynetworks? |
| 08:33.18 | Jemt | ma3x: How much RAM do you have ? |
| 08:33.32 | _apk | Dewi, is all written here: http://pastebin.com/m5d176eca |
| 08:33.37 | _apk | it's my main.cf |
| 08:33.37 | Dewi | ma3x: using ntfs-3g? |
| 08:33.52 | Dewi | ma3x: it's goes CPU-bound at big file offsets |
| 08:33.54 | simonrvn | usb_storage has a lot of overhead. my old box the load average would go to 5+ copying a couple hundred MiB |
| 08:33.55 | Dewi | ma3x: it's bloody painful |
| 08:34.11 | enouf | sounds like a/some cache is getting filled |
| 08:34.15 | enouf | and croaking |
| 08:34.27 | ma3x | Dewi: im copying over to the usb stick (vfat) |
| 08:34.33 | simonrvn | yeh the caching sucks |
| 08:34.53 | ma3x | the cache of the usb stick? |
| 08:34.54 | Dewi | ma3x: oh, vfat shouldn't do it. Probably just running out of cache and facing up to reality |
| 08:35.02 | ma3x | how much cache does a stick of 1 gb have? |
| 08:35.11 | Dewi | ma3x: use the usb ports on the back, or buying a better quality stick can help |
| 08:35.17 | Dewi | ma3x: not the stick, your system |
| 08:35.22 | Bushmills | _apk, to tell postfix to not send it through postfix? |
| 08:35.31 | _apk | Bushmills, uh? |
| 08:35.33 | Bushmills | what's the intention? |
| 08:35.43 | _apk | through Spamassassin |
| 08:35.47 | ma3x | Dewi: why would the cache of my hard disk get filled up? it makes no sense |
| 08:35.59 | _apk | I don't want that spamassassin checks my outgoing emails |
| 08:36.03 | Dewi | _apk: how are you sending? via local sendmail, or via SMTP? and from what host? |
| 08:36.09 | Bushmills | ah |
| 08:36.11 | _apk | SMTP auth |
| 08:36.17 | \amethyst | _apk: is 85.18.136.98 the server? |
| 08:36.18 | giorgian | in the last few days (after some upgrade), many 3d apps and games fail starting, with messages like: "Failed to set video mode to 640x480: Could not create GL context". what's the problem (and the solution)? |
| 08:36.20 | Dewi | ma3x: what makes you think caching is used only for hard disks? |
| 08:36.24 | \amethyst | _apk: so it *is* incoming mail |
| 08:36.33 | \amethyst | _apk: that's why it's getting scanned |
| 08:36.40 | Bushmills | \amethyst: i have the same here. |
| 08:36.47 | Bushmills | is correct, spamass tests |
| 08:36.48 | enouf | it might be a write cache setting as seen in dmesg, i don't use usb at all, so not sure |
| 08:36.49 | _apk | \amethyst, that ip is my computer's ip |
| 08:36.51 | Bushmills | outgoing |
| 08:36.55 | Dewi | \amethyst, _apk : the important question now is, are you operating an open relay? |
| 08:37.00 | _apk | and yes SA thought that are incoming mail |
| 08:37.10 | Dewi | _apk: your relay should NOT be allowing mail to be sent without auth from that IP |
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| 08:37.24 | _apk | but really they are coming from my pc and they have to be delivered to another mail server (for example gmail.com) |
| 08:37.35 | Dewi | _apk: then the IP should be 127.0.0.1 not that other thing |
| 08:37.36 | ma3x | Dewi: for what else? |
| 08:37.38 | _apk | no Dewi... |
| 08:37.41 | Dewi | ma3x: USB sticks |
| 08:37.46 | _apk | ah |
| 08:37.48 | \amethyst | _apk: and XXX.ordanomade.org is the mail server? |
| 08:37.48 | Bushmills | (was surprised when i noticed but found it ok. nothing wrong with not sending spam, should taht ever happen, so i didn't try to change it) |
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| 08:37.53 | _apk | yes \amethyst |
| 08:38.04 | _apk | I'm not operating a mail relay |
| 08:38.06 | Dewi | _apk: you can add your other IP to mynetworks, BTW |
| 08:38.13 | Dewi | _apk: if you really need to use that IP instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:38.21 | ma3x | Dewi: so how much cache does a hdd have and how much usb stick? |
| 08:38.24 | _apk | I'm using authenticated SMTP with TLS to send mail |
| 08:38.25 | Dewi | _apk: but please, it sounds like you have an open relay, if you have been accidentally scanning outgoing mail |
| 08:38.29 | Dewi | _apk: and not realising it was outgoing |
| 08:38.38 | Dewi | _apk: okay good, auth is good |
| 08:38.44 | _apk | I've already done all check... |
| 08:38.50 | enouf | ma3x: try sdparm --get=WCE /dev/name |
| 08:39.06 | Dewi | ma3x: the system has cache for all kinds of I/O |
| 08:39.06 | Bushmills | _apk: probably doesn't matter. i auth through openvpn, having the vpn net in mynetworks, and it still does the same |
| 08:39.09 | _apk | what my main.cf conf please...And you will find that is a quire simple config |
| 08:39.19 | Dewi | ma3x: it isn't attached to any particular disk |
| 08:39.21 | xushi | after updating my system, it updated gcc. Now certain apps complain that my kernel is compiled with an older gcc version. How can i reinstall the kernel i have built on the gcc i have? |
| 08:39.39 | Dewi | ma3x: except that yes, modern HDs do have some hardware caching on the actual disk as well |
| 08:39.41 | _apk | Dewi the big problem is that I cannot work with permit network (I don't remeber how is called) |
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| 08:40.09 | Dewi | ma3x: but yes linux will cache I/O to all kinds of storage unless it's turned off for that type or device |
| 08:40.09 | liable | xushi: apps or kernel modules? i dont quite understand what you said.. |
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| 08:40.18 | enouf | ma3x: though again, i'm not certain this is the issue, nor if it's a good thing to enable (as far as file tranfers and possible corruption that may occur, if not umounted properly, synced prior, etc etc) |
| 08:40.21 | _apk | because I don't have a static ip at home, at this damn italian ISP (fastweb) use NAT to let user go to internet...one address for 10k client |
| 08:40.26 | xushi | liable: sorry, yes, kernel modules (vmware) |
| 08:40.52 | JyZyXEL | xushi you have to use the older gcc |
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| 08:40.57 | _apk | Dewi, \amethyst, liable what do you suggest me to do? |
| 08:41.02 | ma3x | enouf: how can i turn off caching for usb stick? |
| 08:41.04 | Dewi | _apk: mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/8, 85.18.136.98/32 |
| 08:41.11 | xushi | JyZyXEL: the older gcc, is it slotted somewhere? or do i have to uninstall/reinstall somehow? |
| 08:41.13 | Dewi | _apk: assuming that IP is static |
| 08:41.15 | liable | xushi: explain a little clearer if you can what is failing |
| 08:41.16 | Dewi | _apk: is it? |
| 08:41.24 | JyZyXEL | xushi you can get it from debian repos |
| 08:41.25 | enouf | ma3x: i would think it's off now, and you might want it on for that purpose |
| 08:41.30 | _apk | Dewi please read what i have already written |
| 08:41.31 | Bushmills | _apk: workaround: call, from postfix, a script (which then calls spamass). test in the script whether mail is outgoing or not. delegate to spamass only when incoming |
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| 08:41.36 | ma3x | enouf: how do i turn it on? |
| 08:41.46 | _apk | ok Bushmills I've thought at it |
| 08:41.48 | JyZyXEL | xushi after you have it you have to link the /bin/gcc to it |
| 08:41.49 | enouf | ma3x: sdparm, i would think |
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| 08:41.49 | xushi | liable: i'm installing vmware. It tries to compile the kernel modules, but complains that the kernel i have is built on gcc 4.1.x, while gcc on my system is 4.2.x. |
| 08:41.49 | Dewi | _apk: I don't understand |
| 08:41.53 | _apk | so is this the way to go? |
| 08:41.59 | Dewi | _apk: oh |
| 08:42.06 | _apk | Dewi I DON'T have a static ip |
| 08:42.09 | Bushmills | _apk: i do that anyway, to prevent spamass from bouncing (to spoofed sender) |
| 08:42.17 | JyZyXEL | xushi install gcc-4.1 |
| 08:42.18 | _apk | my damn ISP use NAT on his network |
| 08:42.19 | Dewi | _apk: then 1) use localhost not your internet IP |
| 08:42.28 | liable | xushi: ok, make CC=/usr/bin/gcc-<version> |
| 08:42.37 | Bushmills | _apk: doesnt matter. you can use openvpn to get a static ip towards postfix |
| 08:42.40 | Dewi | _apk: and 2) if you are getting in via auth, check against spamassassin AFTER auth, so no spamassassin if there is auth |
| 08:42.41 | _apk | so it has many big MANs with a lot of client, and use NAT to let the going to internet |
| 08:42.48 | xushi | thanks |
| 08:42.51 | JyZyXEL | liable that doesnt work |
| 08:42.58 | FrostEyes | Hello. Anybody who has installed debian on a poweredge r300 with broadcom network.. Det install "stalls" at the detecting network hardware |
| 08:42.59 | _apk | Bushmills, I don't want a VPN to send a damn email! |
| 08:43.00 | ma3x | enouf: sdparm -a /dev/sdc1 which field shows if the cache is on or off? |
| 08:43.04 | JyZyXEL | the installed uses /bin/gcc |
| 08:43.08 | JyZyXEL | installer |
| 08:43.10 | Dewi | _apk: so if your auth rule says "accept on auth", make sure spamassassin rule is not before that |
| 08:43.12 | enouf | ma3x: try sdparm --get=WCE /dev/name |
| 08:43.14 | Bushmills | _apk: ok. do you have more than one ip address? |
| 08:43.18 | Dewi | _apk: the order really matters |
| 08:43.20 | Bushmills | (server) |
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| 08:43.30 | Dewi | Bushmills: it doesn't matter, _apk should not be doing anti-spam on authed users anyway |
| 08:43.32 | _apk | only one |
| 08:43.36 | liable | JyZyXEL: how does it do that? |
| 08:43.39 | enouf | ma3x: if you man sdparm, search for 'cache' and then see Examples at bottom, you will see |
| 08:43.43 | Dewi | Bushmills: no matter where they are |
| 08:43.49 | _apk | :((( |
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| 08:44.01 | Bushmills | Dewi: i notice the same with postfix here, |
| 08:44.12 | Bushmills | dewi, also spamasses outgoing mail |
| 08:44.14 | Dewi | Bushmills, _apk : it's easy to get the order of rules wrong |
| 08:44.15 | _apk | I think that I have to add another "layer" installing amavis |
| 08:44.21 | _apk | and following some tutorials... |
| 08:44.25 | enouf | ma3x: not a partition, but a /dev/sdX .. no partition number appended |
| 08:44.26 | Dewi | _apk: NO, you have to make AUTH skip the antispam |
| 08:44.31 | Dewi | _apk: by changing the order of rules |
| 08:44.32 | _apk | ohhh |
| 08:44.34 | _apk | and how? |
| 08:44.54 | _apk | see here: http://groups.google.it/group/alt.comp.mail.postfix/browse_thread/thread/dc6bda24c7436702?hl=it# |
| 08:44.58 | Bushmills | dewi, i don't use smtp auth, and postfix still tests outgoing |
| 08:45.06 | _apk | it's written how I call spamassassin from main.cf |
| 08:45.20 | _apk | sorry...master.cf |
| 08:45.50 | _apk | oh Bushmills so you have my exact problem? did you resolve writting a bash script? |
| 08:46.06 | Dewi | Bushmills: then it's probably not really outgoing |
| 08:46.10 | Dewi | Bushmills: but relaying |
| 08:46.12 | Bushmills | _apk: was telling before .. i am quite happy that this happens. |
| 08:46.14 | enouf | ma3x: as a test, i would try a 'sync' on the device while the transfer is happening (but that's just me ;-) ) - note, this is for testing only!, i have no idea what might happen :-) use caution! |
| 08:46.23 | Dewi | Bushmills: and you are really an external user, and you should make sure you don't have an open relay |
| 08:46.28 | xushi | liable: that did the trick. Thanks. |
| 08:46.30 | Bushmills | Dewi: no relaying, except for my_networks |
| 08:46.47 | Bushmills | Dewi: i am sure that i don't have |
| 08:46.48 | _apk | uhmmm |
| 08:46.51 | Dewi | Bushmills: do you have 'permit my_networks' below your antispam rules? |
| 08:46.59 | _apk | Bushmills, can you please show that script? |
| 08:47.00 | Dewi | _apk: I can't find your spamassassin rule |
| 08:47.07 | Bushmills | _apk: sure |
| 08:47.17 | Dewi | _apk: can you give me your paste again? I must be looking at the wrong thing |
| 08:47.18 | _apk | Dewi there's no spamassassin rule...it's being called from master.cf |
| 08:47.32 | _apk | follow the link in this post: http://groups.google.it/group/alt.comp.mail.postfix/browse_thread/thread/dc6bda24c7436702?hl=it# |
| 08:48.04 | Dewi | _apk: I don't see the word 'assassin' or 'spamd' or anything in that paste |
| 08:48.04 | _apk | I've written it today |
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| 08:48.16 | _apk | can I paste here those three lines? |
| 08:48.20 | Dewi | _apk: so... it's doing anti-spam without any mention of anti-spam in your config? |
| 08:48.32 | _apk | Dewi, watch: |
| 08:48.33 | Dewi | _apk: I can't help you without seeing your restrictions rulesets |
| 08:48.33 | _apk | In /etc/postfix/master.cf I have: |
| 08:48.33 | _apk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.33 | _apk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.33 | _apk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.33 | _apk | And |
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| 08:48.44 | \amethyst | Dewi: as he said, it's in the master.cf, which is in the usenet post he pasted |
| 08:48.49 | Dewi | _apk: no, I need more than you can paste into channel, I need the rule lists |
| 08:48.55 | Dewi | \amethyst: that doesn't even mention spamassassin |
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| 08:49.03 | \amethyst | Dewi: err |
| 08:49.06 | _apk | sorry guys for the flood |
| 08:49.08 | \amethyst | Dewi: http://groups.google.it/group/alt.comp.mail.postfix/browse_thread/thread/dc6bda24c7436702?hl=it |
| 08:49.09 | _apk | :( |
| 08:49.12 | _apk | http://pastebin.com/m43745df1 |
| 08:49.18 | Dewi | \amethyst: yes, where does the paste mention spamassassin? |
| 08:49.19 | \amethyst | Dewi: says SpamAssassin right there, though it's not the whole file |
| 08:49.19 | _apk | \amethyst, ehehehehe :P |
| 08:49.21 | Bushmills | dewi, all smtpd_*_restrictions begin with permit_mynetworks |
| 08:49.23 | enouf | slow down fellas |
| 08:49.33 | enouf | it get's jumbled too easily |
| 08:49.39 | Dewi | \amethyst: the rule on its own is not useful |
| 08:49.45 | Dewi | \amethyst: the order of rules is important |
| 08:49.49 | Dewi | \amethyst: and is probably the problem |
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| 08:50.02 | Bushmills | and there are restrictions for recipient, client, helo, sender |
| 08:50.03 | _apk | Dewi there is NO rule to call Spamassassin in postfix conf!!!! |
| 08:50.13 | Dewi | _apk: so how is spamassassin being invoked? |
| 08:50.14 | enouf | !!! |
| 08:50.14 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 08:50.18 | _apk | you call it as a content filter in master.cf |
| 08:50.25 | ma3x | enouf: nothing happens when i type 'sync' it continues at same slow speed |
| 08:50.26 | Bushmills | and the policy_service is last in recimpient_restrictions |
| 08:50.27 | _apk | Dewi, ...... |
| 08:50.33 | _apk | PLEASE read here: http://pastebin.com/m43745df1 |
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| 08:50.45 | enouf | ma3x: interesting - ok then, onto the other things i mentioned ;-0 |
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| 08:50.57 | ma3x | enouf: first it goes at 30 MBytes/s and when it comes at %30 of the file, it starts copying at 1MB/s and slower |
| 08:50.58 | Dewi | _apk: so you're not using spamassassin to reject mail |
| 08:51.00 | _apk | have you read? :P |
| 08:51.02 | Bushmills | dewi, http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212915045134522530.png |
| 08:51.22 | Bushmills | (ehm..policy service is greylisting, not spamass) |
| 08:51.23 | _apk | If I'm not wrong, you cannot use spamassassin to reject mail! |
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| 08:51.40 | enouf | ma3x: i understand - that would annoy the crap out of me |
| 08:51.40 | _apk | you can delete, tag but not reject mails with SA |
| 08:51.49 | Dewi | _apk: my ISP does |
| 08:51.55 | _apk | it can't |
| 08:51.59 | Dewi | _apk: I guess it's not really a "reject", it's a "drop" |
| 08:52.06 | Dewi | _apk: but it's still during recipient filtering |
| 08:52.09 | _apk | or you don't know what are you speaking about |
| 08:52.14 | ma3x | enouf: I already did hdparm -a /dev/sdc1 look: /dev/sdc1: readahead = 256 (on) |
| 08:52.22 | \amethyst | _apk: http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_PROXY_README.html |
| 08:52.33 | enouf | ma3x: hdparm isn't for scsi devices ;-) |
| 08:52.52 | Bushmills | dewi, and spamass in config added as almost last entry in master.cf: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1212915153872473656.png |
| 08:52.58 | ma3x | sorry i did sdparm |
| 08:53.01 | Bushmills | it appears that order is not of relevance |
| 08:53.03 | _apk | \amethyst, thank you very much...I think that I have to study better how postfix handles emails |
| 08:53.12 | ma3x | but i dont understand those values look at http://paste.debian.net/5729/ |
| 08:53.26 | enouf | ma3x: why not--> sdparm --get=WCE /dev/sda ??? |
| 08:53.27 | \amethyst | _apk: that way basically involves running it twice :) |
| 08:53.31 | Bushmills | _apk: ook at my last link .. that's how the scropt gets called, instead of spamass directlly |
| 08:53.32 | Dewi | Bushmills: maybe master.cf stuff runs no matter what |
| 08:53.34 | Trewas | ma3x: it works like that because kernel caches writes to the main memory, so as long as there is room to cache copying seems to go fast, but after that it is down to usb-sticks's real writing speed |
| 08:53.39 | _apk | but I thought that it was simpler to say "damn postfix those are outgoing mails don't make me nuts" |
| 08:53.46 | enouf | ma3x: i told you, 3 times now - it's also in dmesg |
| 08:53.57 | Bushmills | _apk: /etc/postfix/spamfilter is the script |
| 08:54.06 | ma3x | enouf: sdparm --get=WCE /dev/sda?? |
| 08:54.11 | enouf | yea |
| 08:54.20 | Dewi | _apk: mail that you send from a foreign IP via AUTH is *not* outgoing mail, it is relayed mail |
| 08:54.29 | Dewi | _apk: that's the first thing you have to realise |
| 08:54.34 | Bushmills | _apk: you mind if i give you the script in a /query ? |
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| 08:54.56 | _apk | no Bushmills! thank you again for your help! |
| 08:54.57 | enouf | ma3x: then, if you want to set it, swap --get with --set |
| 08:54.59 | _apk | :) |
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| 08:55.04 | Dewi | _apk: it doesn't matter that it happens to be your IP if postfix doesn't know that |
| 08:55.06 | ma3x | enouf: it doesnt show it WCE error (try adding '-vv') in Caching (SBC) mode page |
| 08:55.08 | enouf | it's all in the man page |
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| 08:55.38 | enouf | ma3x: exact command was /dev/sda or sda1 ? |
| 08:55.46 | liable | lies! |
| 08:55.53 | ma3x | enouf: /dev/sdc1 |
| 08:55.59 | enouf | ma3x: no |
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| 08:56.07 | enouf | use /dev/sdc only |
| 08:56.08 | ma3x | enouf: of the local hdd? |
| 08:56.15 | ma3x | enouf: same thing |
| 08:56.16 | enouf | no, the USB stick |
| 08:56.16 | ma3x | error |
| 08:56.20 | enouf | grah |
| 08:56.25 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# sdparm --get=WCE /dev/sdc |
| 08:56.25 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.25 | ma3x | WCE error (try adding '-vv') in Caching (SBC) mode page |
| 08:56.52 | enouf | i don't know then .. |
| 08:57.09 | ma3x | enouf: do you have the same problem if you copy large files to your stick? |
| 08:57.44 | enouf | ma3x: i told you much earlier, i don't even use usb |
| 08:57.55 | ma3x | ok |
| 08:58.00 | enouf | ma3x: look up at Trewas 's post to you |
| 08:58.05 | ma3x | i'll try in windows just to make sure if the usb stick's the real problem |
| 08:58.12 | Dewi | ma3x: how slow are you talking about? |
| 08:58.31 | ma3x | Dewi: first it goes up to 30 mbytes/s and then 2-1 mb/s |
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| 08:58.54 | ma3x | according to trewas' post i can assume that first the local cache (hda) gets filled up and then it starts copying over to the usb |
| 08:58.55 | Dewi | ma3x: I have a 4GB stick that is that slow |
| 08:59.00 | Dewi | ma3x: I think it's just cheap and crap |
| 08:59.11 | Dewi | ma3x: what? |
| 08:59.27 | ma3x | Dewi: but isn't it supposed to be usb2.0 (around 40-50 mb/s) ? |
| 08:59.37 | ma3x | i mean aren't the most usb sticks running at that speed? |
| 08:59.46 | enouf | mthe: maximum typical HDD cache size is 16MB .. so, you eat that up in no time ... not the issue |
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| 08:59.53 | Dewi | ma3x: if your hard drive cache was the bottleneck, ALL your HD I/O would be slow |
| 09:00.03 | Dewi | ma3x: if it's the USB stick that is slow, it will be the USB stick's cache filling |
| 09:00.14 | Dewi | ma3x: and that's not a bad thing, it might just be the real speed of your stick |
| 09:00.32 | ma3x | so how do i know what's the issue then? |
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| 09:00.35 | Trewas | ma3x: no, kernel caches are in the main memory |
| 09:00.37 | mthe | enouf: My HD is ok tyvm ;) |
| 09:00.41 | ma3x | hold on i'll boot in windows and try copying from there |
| 09:00.44 | mthe | last time i checked anyway |
| 09:00.46 | Dewi | ma3x: no, flash writes are not as fast as USB2 |
| 09:00.49 | enouf | mthe: hehe, apologies ;-) |
| 09:00.56 | mthe | nps = :) |
| 09:00.56 | Dewi | ma3x: reads can be, but writes generally are not, especially on cheap sticks |
| 09:01.01 | \amethyst | ma3x: what filesystem is it? |
| 09:01.08 | ma3x | vfat |
| 09:01.15 | \amethyst | hm |
| 09:01.24 | \amethyst | it's not getting mounted in sync mode is it? |
| 09:01.36 | enouf | ahh., forgot about that mount option |
| 09:01.42 | Dewi | \amethyst: would that matter? it's not like sticks have to seek |
| 09:01.48 | enouf | but i doubt it |
| 09:01.54 | Dewi | \amethyst: I guess there'd still be some underusage of buffers |
| 09:01.59 | \amethyst | Dewi: sync means the I/O gets flushed after every write |
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| 09:02.06 | \amethyst | Dewi: with the way FAT works, that's bad |
| 09:02.18 | Dewi | \amethyst: it's a lot less bad if seek time is zero |
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| 09:02.23 | \amethyst | Dewi: write a block to the file, update the FAT. Write another block, update the FAT again. |
| 09:02.29 | ma3x | /dev/sdd1 on /media/fat type vfat (rw,uid=1000,gid=1000) |
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| 09:02.33 | Dewi | \amethyst: yes, and that's not a problem for flash |
| 09:02.37 | Dewi | \amethyst: because seek time is zero |
| 09:02.38 | \amethyst | Dewi: yeah, but it's a lot of extra writes |
| 09:02.44 | Dewi | \amethyst: yeah, it is |
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| 09:03.03 | Dewi | \amethyst: it will still hurt, just not nearly as badly |
| 09:03.04 | erpo | ma3x: You can't set/get WCE on a usb stick. Your problem is that flash write speeds are slow. The fast part in the beginning is when the kernel is writing to the buffer cache instead of the hardware. |
| 09:03.20 | ma3x | \amethyst: defaults,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000 i think the defaults include sync mode |
| 09:03.23 | Dewi | ma3x: in other words the fast part is probably not real |
| 09:03.41 | Dewi | ma3x: you might not need to "fix" anything |
| 09:03.48 | \amethyst | ma3x: try mounting it with -o async and see if it's any faster |
| 09:03.50 | Dewi | ma3x: unless you know for sure that your USB stick is faster than you are seeing |
| 09:03.57 | ma3x | \amethyst: let me try |
| 09:04.04 | erpo | ma3x: I get the same thing on my flash drive, except it drops to ~3MBps |
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| 09:04.45 | \amethyst | ma3x: note that async means you'll have to be more careful about waiting for transfers to finish after you unmount it |
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| 09:05.06 | enouf | erpo: kernel should be writing to buffer cache faster than 30MB/sec, no? or is it just the way that number is reported |
| 09:05.10 | Dewi | I have an 8GB stick that fills a hell of a lot faster than my 4GB stick. After flash disks started getting big, you really start to notice how slow and crap the cheap ones can be |
| 09:05.16 | erpo | enouf: It's limited by the read speed of the hdd. |
| 09:05.27 | enouf | erpo: aye .. |
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| 09:06.20 | ma3x | \amethyst: now i mounted it with 'sync' and it goes slowly from the beginning, but i guess i won't have to wait after i unmount it |
| 09:06.44 | \amethyst | ma3x: oh, I was saying to *avoid* sync |
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| 09:06.55 | enouf | ma3x: if async option helps, just always remember to run 'sync' prior to umounting, and subsequent stick removal |
| 09:07.06 | \amethyst | ma3x: but, yeah, it sounds like that is just the max write speed of your stick |
| 09:07.18 | Dewi | \amethyst: argh, this is like vista all over again |
| 09:07.22 | ma3x | \amethyst: why to avoid sync? it displays the real speed? and i don't have to wait after unmount |
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| 09:07.39 | ma3x | that means i wait the same time, but at least i know what's going on (the real speed) |
| 09:07.42 | Dewi | ma3x: sync is SLOWER, but feels FASTER |
| 09:07.46 | Dewi | ma3x: because it's more consistent |
| 09:07.48 | erpo | ma3x: It may be slower in some situations. |
| 09:08.01 | ma3x | uhm, indeed it might be slower |
| 09:08.08 | \amethyst | ma3x: I was thinking async might make give slightly faster throughput |
| 09:08.09 | Dewi | ma3x: if you see something go fast, and then go slow, it frustrates you, even though in total, it's slightly faster |
| 09:08.27 | Dewi | ma3x: MS have actually changed their copy routines in Vista SP1 to make it feel more like sync |
| 09:08.31 | enouf | crappy lies about hardware -- gotta love it |
| 09:08.36 | Dewi | ma3x: sorry to feel more like async |
| 09:08.41 | Dewi | ma3x: because people "like it better" |
| 09:08.45 | erpo | ma3x: Applications working with data on the flash stick will work more slowly because synchronous writes block. |
| 09:08.47 | Dewi | ma3x: despite it being slower |
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| 09:09.13 | Dewi | ma3x: in linux you should stick with async even though it feels odd |
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| 09:09.40 | Dewi | ma3x: there is likely to be slightly less overhead. On HDs you *definitely* want async because otherwise seek overhead will kill you |
| 09:09.45 | ma3x | so is async faster or am i halucinating? |
| 09:09.56 | Dewi | ma3x: it's faster, but it slows down over time, naturally |
| 09:10.13 | ma3x | ok just let me boot windows and see how it goes there |
| 09:10.16 | Dewi | ma3x: also it has that annoying thing where you have to avoid unplugging right away |
| 09:10.53 | ma3x | Dewi: so if you gather the unplug waiting time + the copytime is that equal to sync? or again slightly faster? |
| 09:10.59 | enouf | \amethyst: as to what you mentioned earlier about sync mode and many more writes (), wouldn't that be somewhat detrimental to the life span of flash media? |
| 09:11.15 | nekostar | would generating an rsa key on a system thats not had the ssh packages updated via this method: http://osmirror.mirrors.phpclasses.org/browse/package/4121.html generate a vulnerable key? |
| 09:11.20 | streuner | Who using irssi and s(he) doesn't see the channel-limit? |
| 09:11.23 | nekostar | and sup enouf |
| 09:11.25 | enouf | gah. i mean to put your ( "write a block to the file, update the FAT. Write another block, update the FAT again." ) in the parens |
| 09:11.41 | liable | streuner: i see it |
| 09:11.43 | Dewi | ma3x: slightly faster |
| 09:11.51 | streuner | liable: hm, sid? |
| 09:11.58 | liable | etch |
| 09:12.01 | enouf | nekostar: yo yo ma - turned off the AC, it's like 90 outside :-P |
| 09:12.06 | Dewi | ma3x: because the data is sitting in the kernel and RAM, waiting to go to the right place |
| 09:12.07 | nekostar | o: |
| 09:12.16 | Dewi | ma3x: instead of having to be fetched and put for every operation |
| 09:12.19 | Dewi | ma3x: it batches it all up |
| 09:12.21 | liable | lemme see if sids is broken |
| 09:12.29 | ma3x | Dewi: does the speed depend on the partition type? would it be faster if i was copying on ext3? |
| 09:12.30 | nekostar | enouf mind taking a look up there? |
| 09:12.31 | Dewi | ma3x: and yes you have to wait for the batches to clear, but it's still better to use batches |
| 09:12.35 | nekostar | @ key gen question |
| 09:12.48 | starscalling | and im on irssi and i cant see chan limit |
| 09:12.52 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.59 | enouf | nekostar: that would be beyond my knowledge |
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| 09:13.30 | nekostar | darn |
| 09:13.30 | nekostar | anyone? |
| 09:13.30 | liable | streuner: dont see it with sid |
| 09:14.05 | Dewi | ma3x: not really. if you were using 'sync' with a HD you would almost certainly want ext3 over FAT, but in your case none of it matters much because flash storage has low overheads (no seek time) |
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| 09:14.33 | lastpak | i'd like to boot from usb textbased debian what do i download? |
| 09:14.46 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 09:14.48 | Dewi | ma3x: if the buffering pre- and post- effects really annoy you, it won't hurt much to use sync |
| 09:14.48 | liable | install? |
| 09:14.48 | ma3x | brb |
| 09:14.56 | Dewi | magic_bean: but on a HD it would be really slow |
| 09:15.25 | hoxu | enouf, that sounds bad, we have only over 90 degrees in sauna ;) |
| 09:15.29 | Lagbolt | liable, check the debian live project |
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| 09:15.56 | liable | Lagbolt: why? |
| 09:16.05 | enouf | wtf is channel limit? you mean you can't join more than a specific amount of channels per network? |
| 09:16.08 | Lagbolt | oh sorry liable |
| 09:16.11 | Lagbolt | i mean lastpak |
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| 09:16.13 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 09:16.17 | Lagbolt | sorry it is late here |
| 09:16.24 | hoxu | enouf, correct |
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| 09:16.27 | liable | np :) |
| 09:16.31 | nekostar | oh |
| 09:16.38 | liable | i think its 30 for FN innit? |
| 09:16.39 | nekostar | you shoudl get that from ircd on joining network |
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| 09:16.58 | liable | ask tarzeau |
| 09:17.08 | nekostar | * SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 :are supported by this server |
| 09:17.11 | enouf | hoxu: saunas, hehe, sweating without cardiovascular exercise .. :-P |
| 09:17.24 | streuner | enouf: channel-limit is the amout who can join a specfic channel |
| 09:17.36 | nekostar | streuner there are two |
| 09:17.37 | enouf | oh, USer limit |
| 09:17.45 | liable | within a certain timeframe |
| 09:17.56 | nekostar | and that's something else again |
| 09:18.12 | nekostar | try #freenode |
| 09:18.14 | streuner | nekostar: no, it just show you how many users are actually in channel and the channel-limit itself |
| 09:18.17 | enouf | no wonder i'm confused :-P |
| 09:18.28 | nekostar | streuner what shows that |
| 09:18.28 | enouf | nekostar: no don't , nobody there :-P |
| 09:18.34 | liable | well, theres the joins per timeframe, the limit which gets updated at intervals, and ircd limit |
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| 09:19.11 | nekostar | liable the limit which gets updated at intervals is typically run by a bot in the chan |
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| 09:19.21 | nekostar | sets limit to say 5 more than are in it |
| 09:19.26 | liable | nekostar: ah yeah, thats debhelper |
| 09:19.29 | nekostar | then when a user joins adds one |
| 09:19.40 | nekostar | tis to avoid join floods |
| 09:20.38 | streuner | yes, thats the part of debhelper here |
| 09:20.44 | nekostar | yes |
| 09:20.57 | nekostar | some networks provide a chan bot, sometimes you gotta make one yourself. |
| 09:21.14 | nekostar | the joins per timeframe... |
| 09:21.33 | nekostar | thats how many before its considered a flood.. a network limit typically... |
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| 09:30.46 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:30.46 | dpkg | methinks qotd140 is < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah |
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| 09:31.44 | streuner | haha |
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| 09:32.02 | erpo | wow |
| 09:32.05 | nagnag | haha |
| 09:32.06 | erpo | I'm definitely going to do that. |
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| 09:33.17 | erpo | Hmm. Doesn't work too well with sudo, though. |
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| 09:33.36 | liable | have to be in roots bashrc i guess |
| 09:35.12 | erpo | Does sudo even bother to invoke bash? |
| 09:35.35 | Dewi | sudo should be in the alias, and it should be aptitude not apt-get |
| 09:35.36 | Sazpaimon | i've got an i386 sid installed via debootstrap in a chroot'ed dir, and < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 |
| 09:35.42 | Sazpaimon | what the fuck clipboard |
| 09:35.47 | Sazpaimon | anyway |
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| 09:35.55 | liable | hehe |
| 09:36.01 | Sazpaimon | i've got an i386 sid installed via debootstrap in a chroot'ed dir, and i need to see if i can minimize its space |
| 09:36.14 | Sazpaimon | any suggestions on whwere to start |
| 09:36.19 | pythonic | how do i scp from a named pipe to a remove file server? |
| 09:36.20 | liable | clean the apt cache |
| 09:36.26 | Sazpaimon | liable, did that |
| 09:36.29 | Sazpaimon | saved about 200MB |
| 09:36.35 | liable | otherwise a debootstrap is very minimal |
| 09:36.36 | Sazpaimon | i really only need it for mplayer and ffmpeg |
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| 09:37.03 | erpo | Sazpaimon: You could remove kernel modules for devices you don't have. |
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| 09:37.08 | Sazpaimon | i looked at some guide online, but after i did it i realized that it expected the user to use it in X |
| 09:37.17 | Sazpaimon | so would apt-get remove x11* help? |
| 09:37.24 | Sazpaimon | since i have no need for x |
| 09:37.39 | Sazpaimon | and i installed mplayer-nogui anyway |
| 09:38.17 | Sazpaimon | right now i'm running du to see how much space it's currently taking up |
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| 09:39.12 | amikrop | The latest, official, stable release of Debian, is included in this file? debian-40r3-alpha-netinst.iso |
| 09:39.18 | enouf | might like localepurge - i use it, but might be a bit buggy, cause issuse |
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| 09:39.23 | enouf | see bts |
| 09:39.28 | wols_ | amikrop: yes |
| 09:39.35 | amikrop | wols_: OK. Thanks. |
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| 09:39.55 | enouf | drive-by |
| 09:40.15 | enouf | i hope that fucker actually has an alpha machine :-P |
| 09:40.31 | wols_ | hey it's sunday, what can go wrong |
| 09:40.38 | Sazpaimon | 464M . |
| 09:40.41 | Sazpaimon | according to du |
| 09:40.47 | Sazpaimon | that's not as bad as i thought |
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| 09:41.04 | Lethalman | hello |
| 09:41.04 | wols_ | remembers sarge run in 170MB |
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| 09:41.11 | Lethalman | there's a request for a package |
| 09:41.13 | liable | should be smaller than that |
| 09:41.13 | Lethalman | it's called syx |
| 09:41.19 | wols_ | Sazpaimon: it's awful and I'm fairly sure it can be slimmed down about half |
| 09:41.26 | Sazpaimon | probably |
| 09:41.27 | liable | about 250 iirc |
| 09:41.28 | Lethalman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457782 |
| 09:41.41 | Lethalman | as said in the bug i'd like to create the deb package |
| 09:41.56 | Lethalman | is there particular way to do this thing the right way? |
| 09:41.56 | streuner | !dbugs 457782 |
| 09:41.59 | dpkg | #457782:W[wnpp] RFP: syx -- Implementation of the Smalltalk-80 standard; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:12:01 UTC |
| 09:42.21 | Lethalman | I mean where do you have to attach deb packages? |
| 09:42.25 | Lethalman | *do I have |
| 09:42.35 | Sazpaimon | hahaha |
| 09:42.45 | Sazpaimon | apt-get remove x11* looks like a bad idea |
| 09:43.04 | Sazpaimon | i'll just dpkg -l |grep X |
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| 09:43.33 | AldoReset | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.33 | AldoReset | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.13 | Lethalman | though my mail didn't arrive at the BTS yet |
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| 09:44.28 | Sazpaimon | damn it |
| 09:44.39 | Sazpaimon | why does mplayer-nogui need x11-common |
| 09:44.40 | Sazpaimon | bs |
| 09:44.43 | H2S04 | it's ok to use apt-get and aptitude on the same system now right? They fixed the package DB problem? |
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| 09:45.25 | Bushmills | H2S04: is discouraged |
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| 09:45.30 | Lethalman | any hints? |
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| 09:45.52 | Dewi | H2S04: not afaik |
| 09:46.03 | enouf | H2S04: IINM, for etch, still not good, for Lenny/Sid , it's ok |
| 09:46.10 | liable | Lethalman: whats your actual question? |
| 09:46.16 | Dewi | enouf: apt-get knows about automatic? |
| 09:46.19 | Dewi | enouf: in lenny? |
| 09:46.28 | Lethalman | liable, what to do if I'd like to create a deb package for syx? |
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| 09:46.38 | enouf | Dewi: pretty sure .. newer apt has been updated |
| 09:46.41 | Lethalman | can I help? |
| 09:46.58 | enouf | Dewi: i'd need to check changelogs and versions |
| 09:47.16 | Dewi | enouf: that'll be nice. Although I wish people would stop acting like aptitude didn't let you do 90% of everything from the command line |
| 09:47.18 | liable | Lethalman: read the new maintainers guide. file an itp, make the deb, subscribe to debian-mentors and hope someone sponsors it |
| 09:47.27 | Dewi | enouf: I can't remember the last time I needed to not use aptitude |
| 09:47.32 | Sazpaimon | so wols_, what would be my first step in trimming down the system |
| 09:47.33 | enouf | Sazpaimon: stop whining, go get svn sources and compile yourself |
| 09:47.35 | Lethalman | liable, the request was done by a developer |
| 09:47.47 | Lethalman | it means nothign right? |
| 09:48.04 | Sazpaimon | enouf, that was hurtful and i am hurt :( |
| 09:48.10 | enouf | :-) |
| 09:48.14 | Sazpaimon | see that face, it is a sad face |
| 09:48.15 | enouf | c'mon |
| 09:48.17 | liable | Lethalman: its a request. you can fix that request |
| 09:48.20 | H2S04 | enouf: :D |
| 09:48.28 | Sazpaimon | i will go to #ubuntu and tell them all that you are all meanie poo poo heads!!!! |
| 09:48.35 | Lethalman | I still don't understand :S |
| 09:48.46 | liable | Lethalman: just package it.. |
| 09:48.51 | Lethalman | ok |
| 09:49.01 | Lethalman | and after that? |
| 09:49.07 | Bushmills | Sazpaimon: even without gui, it still (can) use X to output |
| 09:49.09 | liable | Sazpaimon: and we should care? |
| 09:49.22 | Bushmills | Sazpaimon: no gui doesn't mean, caca and aalib only |
| 09:49.23 | Lethalman | liable, package then rename the bug to ITP right? |
| 09:49.32 | liable | why does it smell like my house is on fire.. |
| 09:49.37 | Dewi | Sazpaimon: what's wrong with x11-common anyway? |
| 09:49.44 | xushi | liable: check your blood pressure o_O |
| 09:49.45 | liable | Lethalman: you can file the ITP first |
| 09:49.52 | Sazpaimon | Dewi, im just trying to trim down this debootstrapper install |
| 09:49.57 | Lethalman | liable, there's an RFP already |
| 09:50.08 | liable | Lethalman: thats a request, not an intention |
| 09:50.14 | Lethalman | If you are going to package this, retitle the bug report to replace RFP with ITP. |
| 09:50.14 | Sazpaimon | ive got it in /var/ and /var/ also stores my mysql tables |
| 09:50.21 | Lethalman | I saw this on wnpp |
| 09:50.33 | AldoReset | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.33 | Sazpaimon | and if i run out of space on /var/, mysql asplode |
| 09:50.35 | AldoReset | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.41 | Sazpaimon | and if mysql asplode, GAME OVER MAN GAME OVER |
| 09:51.01 | Lethalman | liable, so file in a new bug or retitle it? |
| 09:51.05 | Bushmills | Sazpaimon: that's not a debian specific problem |
| 09:51.26 | Bushmills | (sounds more like a Sazpaimon-specific problem) |
| 09:51.31 | liable | Lethalman: retitle i guess. go see #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 09:51.34 | Bushmills | :P |
| 09:51.39 | Sazpaimon | time to start a #Sazpaimon |
| 09:51.45 | Sazpaimon | all Sazpaimon all the time |
| 09:51.49 | Lethalman | liable, thanks very much |
| 09:51.50 | Lethalman | :) |
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| 09:53.00 | amikrop | So, will netinst have any problems right now (e.g. openssl vulnerabilities, gpg keys changes, e.t.c.)? |
| 09:53.07 | Sazpaimon | well according to df, /var/ still has another 800MB to go |
| 09:53.14 | Sazpaimon | and i dont see myself using 800MB of sql any time soon |
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| 09:53.54 | Sazpaimon | and if i do, ive got bigger problems |
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| 09:55.02 | amikrop | Anyway, how can I check if my ISO download was OK (e.g. md5sum, e.t.c.)? |
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| 09:55.59 | enouf | Dewi: in lenny is 7.11, ..and since apt (0.7.0) * automatic dependency removal (thanks to Daniel Burrows) http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.11/changelog |
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| 09:56.46 | enouf | i knew a nice round number was involved |
| 09:57.10 | Bushmills | 8 is pretty round. double round even |
| 09:57.21 | enouf | amikrop: are you using an Alpha machine? |
| 09:57.28 | Bushmills | 0 is round too |
| 09:57.33 | Dewi | Bushmills: still less round than 0 |
| 09:57.43 | enouf | amikrop: md5sum filename.iso |
| 09:57.49 | Bushmills | yeah. 0 is rounder than 9 |
| 09:57.50 | Bushmills | 8 |
| 09:58.35 | enouf | a pair of 0s is even more round :-P |
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| 09:59.12 | Bushmills | a string of zeroes, printed in a circular fashion, open potential of fractal roundness |
| 09:59.24 | enouf | O_O |
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| 09:59.43 | amikrop | enouf: OK. What can I compare it to? |
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| 10:00.04 | amikrop | enouf: I mean, where is the "correct" md5sum of the file I downloaded? |
| 10:00.07 | enouf | amikrop: from where you got the ISO, look in that dir for the md5 |
| 10:00.18 | amikrop | enouf: OK :-) |
| 10:00.47 | enouf | amikrop: that, or possibly it's parent dir, but should be in the child |
| 10:01.05 | jstephenson | My PC keeps randomly freezing up. Just stops dead. What should I be doing to try and diagnose the problem? |
| 10:01.22 | streuner | RAM |
| 10:01.24 | Bushmills | jstephenson: gl video driver? |
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| 10:02.01 | jstephenson | checks video driver |
| 10:02.01 | enouf | your Gerbil chewing on wires :-P |
| 10:02.03 | jstephenson | nv I think |
| 10:02.09 | Bushmills | should be ok |
| 10:02.16 | streuner | jstephenson: no |
| 10:02.32 | Bushmills | go with streuner, and ram |
| 10:02.40 | streuner | jstephenson: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 10:03.38 | jstephenson | streuner: http://pastie.org/210986 |
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| 10:04.11 | jstephenson | All the rubish there is 'cause I used -l rather than -1 ;P |
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| 10:04.39 | streuner | hm, try memtest and check the logs |
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| 10:05.11 | streuner | unless you are usually visit some nasty websites with lots of flash and/or javascript stuff :-) |
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| 10:05.50 | vjoe | hello |
| 10:05.51 | streuner | but the kernel should be able to *deal* with that |
| 10:06.00 | streuner | jstephenson: cat /proc/version |
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| 10:07.42 | jstephenson | streuner: Linux version 2.6.24-1-486 (Debian 2.6.24-7) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 Thu May 8 01:29:10 UTC 2008 |
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| 10:07.47 | dutchfish | hi, on debian lenny i get on shutdown kernel oopses ---> something like module nssxxxxx.so is missing (too fast to read) how can i log shutdown? curently in linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.24+13 |
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| 10:08.21 | streuner | bad |
| 10:08.26 | jstephenson | streuner: I have noticed it happens frequently on websites with flash stuffs |
| 10:08.36 | streuner | hm, that makes sense then... |
| 10:08.57 | streuner | blame third party non-free plugins (flash) then :-) |
| 10:08.58 | jstephenson | But it just happened a moment ago entirely randomly with only a terminal open |
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| 10:09.36 | streuner | dutchfish: that module isn't third party? just try another kernel then |
| 10:09.41 | turneralex | I cant see any SCSI devices on my DL380. Any ideas? |
| 10:10.19 | streuner | is the controller supported? |
| 10:10.47 | streuner | check out kmuto's hcl |
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| 10:10.49 | streuner | !hcl |
| 10:10.49 | dpkg | well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 10:11.19 | dutchfish | streuner, of coarse i did, i compiled vanillas 2.6.25-4 same error, This is a clean standard desktop lenny install, i repeated it 3 times |
| 10:13.03 | jstephenson | streuner: I'll disable flash anyway and see what happens. I doubt it's a memory issue as I've just switched from Windows and all worked well there. |
| 10:13.13 | dutchfish | streuner, it looks like debians .config is making a booboo ... |
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| 10:14.21 | dutchfish | streuner, if i install 32 bit it spins fine |
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| 10:15.49 | dutchfish | streuner, can i pause shutdown at a certain point? so i can read what its console blurps out? |
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| 10:20.26 | liable | run the script with bash -x and see what it says |
| 10:20.31 | liable | echan |
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| 10:29.09 | dutchfish | streuner, after several boots i no for sure its: /lib/libnss_nis-2.7.so some messages like hex -> hex about 25 lines, then kernel stops and freeze up |
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| 10:29.54 | dutchfish | s/no/know |
| 10:31.15 | dutchfish | streuner, nothing in the logs about it |
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| 10:34.43 | dutchfish | streuner, hah ... got it ... there is no no libnss_nis nor lobnss_nisplus in lenny, how come? |
| 10:34.55 | dutchfish | s/lob/lib |
| 10:36.33 | harmattan | Hi. I was using lenny a couple of months ago, but had to came back to stable because Iceweasel instability and frequent crashes... |
| 10:36.40 | dutchfish | streuner, its only in 32 bit ... mmmppff |
| 10:36.41 | harmattan | ...is it solved, guys? |
| 10:36.56 | dutchfish | harmattan, iceweasel is rockstable now |
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| 10:37.22 | liable | really? |
| 10:37.27 | liable | its still shit in sid |
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| 10:38.01 | dutchfish | i have no problems with it as long as i stay of the plugin shit |
| 10:38.12 | harmattan | At last! They told me it was due to Flash, but using Gnash the crashes were equally frequent |
| 10:38.35 | dutchfish | harmattan, nods |
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| 10:39.29 | pythonic | hi! what command="foo" do i put in authorized_keys for sshfs? |
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| 10:40.10 | pythonic | ah.. /usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 10:40.20 | harmattan | Good to know, dutchfish. Not that stable is bad, but I miss some functionalities in Gnome (evince, specially). |
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| 10:43.51 | linxaddict | hi, when i run any opengl app on my debian linux, cpu usage is all time about 100%, how can i solve this ? |
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| 10:47.25 | wols_ | linxaddict: are you using a 3D hardware accelration? what is your videochip and your videodriver? |
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| 10:48.14 | dutchfish | for all those on amd64, libc6 should be updated urgently, it has a lot of problems i see now .... sigh |
| 10:48.41 | dutchfish | on lenny that is |
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| 10:49.40 | alin | my syslog never rotates, cron is up and running and there is a file /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, any ideea why the log never rotates ? |
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| 10:50.35 | dutchfish | streuner, seams that libc6: /lib/libnss_nis-2.7.so is missing on amd64 lenny's latest and more issues |
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| 10:51.51 | MayerEugen | does debian etch have problems with workload and sharing / forking new processes to the next CPU, if the first is at 100% load ? |
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| 10:52.51 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, i only saw this on proftpd with irqbalancer (sarge) but not later |
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| 10:53.14 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, what kernel? |
| 10:53.19 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: i have this problem with mysql and apache, reproduceable |
| 10:53.27 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: current stable, one second |
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| 10:54.25 | liable | why on earth do people do that? as if people want to joing a spameers irc network.. |
| 10:54.37 | slxix | once was enough |
| 10:54.40 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:54.56 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, you sure its 5? |
| 10:55.04 | MayerEugen | uname -a |
| 10:55.13 | MayerEugen | so not the -6 is running, yes |
| 10:55.20 | MayerEugen | did not reboot yet |
| 10:55.34 | MayerEugen | did -5 got that kind of bug? |
| 10:55.39 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, there was a splice issue in that one |
| 10:55.56 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, vmsplice bug |
| 10:56.02 | MayerEugen | could you rephrase, no idea what vmsplice / splice is |
| 10:56.19 | dutchfish | !vmsplice |
| 10:56.31 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, hold on get you a link |
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| 10:59.45 | Squawk | Hey fellas, is it possible to install a second OS while booted into debian which could then be booted into normally, rather than installing as a virtual machine? |
| 10:59.57 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1575 and more kernel issues on http://www.debian.org/security/2008/ |
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| 11:01.47 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, http://lwn.net/Articles/268783/ |
| 11:01.52 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: thank you a lot |
| 11:02.12 | liable | Squawk: yes, debootstrap |
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| 11:02.27 | Squawk | liable, thanks will look into it |
| 11:02.32 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, there is a patch for it also if you compiled your own |
| 11:02.53 | liable | Squawk: though, i am not sure what you want. which os? |
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| 11:04.21 | Squawk | liable, actually its more of a generic question, currenlty I run gentoo with debian running in vmware as a test. New laptop arriving shortly which is gonna run debian, possibly with some other flavour of linux or maybe even XP. |
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| 11:08.20 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: hmm the server is booting 5 all the time, even if i restart. Grubs default is on 0 and the first entry is the -6 kernel |
| 11:10.07 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, maybe this: there is another grub option wich states to boot the last booted one (cant rememebr wich one) |
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| 11:10.35 | defrysk | was that not default ? |
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| 11:10.49 | regurgitate | hi |
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| 11:11.29 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: wasnt that one for lilo ? |
| 11:11.42 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, savedefault |
| 11:11.43 | MayerEugen | "on fail boot the last booted" |
| 11:12.10 | MayerEugen | yeah, but how to remove that? |
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| 11:13.00 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, you could edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:13.24 | MayerEugen | thats what i do ? |
| 11:14.11 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, a sec, just checking something |
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| 11:14.22 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, if you have dmraid dont do this |
| 11:15.03 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, could you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 11:16.14 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: one second, i did a update-grup and now rebooting once |
| 11:16.29 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, k |
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| 11:18.55 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: still -5 |
| 11:19.48 | vjoe | how do I run a .run file? |
| 11:19.57 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/m6db13240 |
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| 11:21.20 | defrysk | vjoe, sh blah.run |
| 11:21.45 | vjoe | thanks |
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| 11:23.29 | dbmoodb | hi ah justa q do i have to use a krb5 kernel module --- trying to get nfs with kerberos up and running |
| 11:24.14 | dbmoodb | *** let me start again |
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| 11:24.42 | enouf | awaits vjoe to return to complain something horribly went wrong while installing some proprietary drivers .. :-P |
| 11:24.51 | defrysk | lol |
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| 11:25.16 | dbmoodb | i want to use kerberos with a server which is sharing folders using nfs. however, at the present time this is not running a normal kernel (or a debian one) it is running debian etch and i can prove that |
| 11:25.21 | enouf | sometimes it's best to just let them figure it out once your here that '.run' nomenclature |
| 11:25.26 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, it seams fine to me, i have no idee, maybe someone else know this issue |
| 11:25.27 | vjoe | enouf, haha |
| 11:25.30 | dbmoodb | so i can't just add the normal krb5 module ... anyone got any ideas |
| 11:25.32 | vjoe | actually I was installing ATI drivers :P |
| 11:25.45 | vjoe | it seems that everything went ok |
| 11:25.46 | enouf | !8ball amirite? |
| 11:25.46 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 11:26.10 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: hmm lilo is installed.. |
| 11:26.18 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, eeek |
| 11:26.26 | PerfDave | dbmoodb: Install a Debian kernel? :) |
| 11:26.28 | dbmoodb | so is there a thing i can run instead of the module |
| 11:26.56 | dbmoodb | PerfDave: no can do --- its waiting maintainline support and some one to test that the new image doesnt brick my nas device |
| 11:27.14 | dbmoodb | sorry it now has mainline support... |
| 11:27.49 | PerfDave | dbmoodb: If the kerenl it's running doesn't have krb5, there's not much you can do, unless you're good enough to compile an individual kernel module against the source tree ;) |
| 11:28.13 | dbmoodb | well how could i find out if it does... maybe its hardwired in |
| 11:28.32 | dbmoodb | the guy who made this kernel was using nfsv4 |
| 11:29.02 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: but there is not even a lilo.conf |
| 11:29.14 | Sazpaimon | how do i pass arguments to a program using schroot |
| 11:29.19 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: how to be 100% sure that grub has been used as the boot manager? |
| 11:29.30 | PerfDave | dbmoodb: Do you have the kernel config? It might be available via /proc/config.gz |
| 11:29.38 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, not if you used grub and somehow lilo along |
| 11:29.48 | Sazpaimon | like, I want to run mencoder via schroot, ive tried schroot -c sid386 -p -q "mencoder" " -o movie.mpg movie.avi" |
| 11:29.48 | dbmoodb | in /proc ? |
| 11:29.49 | dbmoodb | nar |
| 11:29.53 | Sazpaimon | but that doesnt work |
| 11:29.58 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, at the console |
| 11:30.00 | Sazpaimon | it ignores the aguments, and just runs mencoder |
| 11:30.06 | Sazpaimon | this works with dchroot |
| 11:30.13 | dbmoodb | i do have the config file somewhere |
| 11:30.23 | PerfDave | dbmoodb: If yuo don't have the kernel config that was used to compile it, and you can't access it via /proc/config.gz, you can't tell what options it was compiled with. |
| 11:30.49 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, a sec (looking somehting up) |
| 11:31.32 | dbmoodb | ok got the config |
| 11:31.37 | dbmoodb | what am i looking for ? |
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| 11:33.04 | dbmoodb | perfdave if i have the source and the config and the system map and the modules al ltared and the uimage can't i do anything ? |
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| 11:33.34 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, i am not 100% sure, but installing grub would or lilo is mutaully exclusive (someone correct me if i am wrong), So basically installing grub would do that. you dont need to install grub into the mbr for this |
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| 11:34.54 | slxix | you can have one bootloader call another. |
| 11:35.44 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: hmm its a raid setup and i cant see any partition to be "active" right now |
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| 11:39.32 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, i think lilo is mbr and pointing to your old kernel, somehow grub got installed later |
| 11:39.43 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: i installed grub |
| 11:39.51 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, why? |
| 11:39.59 | MayerEugen | it was a "pre installed" system and iam no used to grub |
| 11:40.04 | MayerEugen | why? i like grub |
| 11:40.35 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, me too, but you should have checke dit before, np |
| 11:40.39 | slxix | dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 11:40.44 | slxix | strings mbr |
| 11:41.05 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, yes make a backup of your mbr |
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| 11:41.33 | dutchfish | slxix, he is using raid |
| 11:41.39 | MayerEugen | *done |
| 11:41.41 | Bushmills | MayerEugen: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | strings | grep GRUB |
| 11:41.42 | slxix | i am raid ignorant. |
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| 11:41.44 | Nyle | good morning |
| 11:42.09 | Bushmills | grub has an error message in the boot sector. this command looks for it |
| 11:42.21 | Bushmills | (provided hda is your boot disk) |
| 11:42.31 | dutchfish | slxix, http://pastebin.com/m6db13240 |
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| 11:43.36 | MayerEugen | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/m7357bde9 |
| 11:43.54 | Bushmills | grub |
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| 11:44.11 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 11:44.15 | MayerEugen | Bushmills: but, its a raid setup, so i guess, sda is just not used, its used md ? |
| 11:44.18 | Bushmills | says LILO too :) |
| 11:44.36 | MayerEugen | Bushmills: LILO in the upper? i guess my MBR is wrecked? |
| 11:44.59 | Bushmills | MayerEugen: pastebin dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C |
| 11:45.49 | MayerEugen | Bushmills: what package included pastebin ? |
| 11:45.59 | Bushmills | nah. that's imperative |
| 11:46.02 | Bushmills | "do that" |
| 11:46.05 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 11:46.05 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 11:46.20 | MayerEugen | !pastebin pipe |
| 11:46.25 | Bushmills | or apt-get install pastebinit |
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| 11:47.26 | MayerEugen | pastebinit does not exist |
| 11:48.17 | slxix | so what's going on with lilo/grub configuration, anyway? |
| 11:48.33 | MayerEugen | good question |
| 11:49.01 | Bushmills | MayerEugen: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pastebinit&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:49.21 | dutchfish | Bushmills, he is on stable |
| 11:49.34 | slxix | is it not working? |
| 11:50.14 | Bushmills | doesn't matter. just get output to pastebon any way you like |
| 11:50.18 | Bushmills | in |
| 11:50.20 | MayerEugen | http://pastebin.com/me09fc6a |
| 11:50.22 | Bushmills | bin, grr |
| 11:51.12 | Bushmills | MayerEugen: at second look, i think you used grub initially, then changed to lilo, and still boot from lilo now. |
| 11:51.37 | MayerEugen | Bushmills: never change "known" too lilo |
| 11:51.47 | MayerEugen | *to |
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| 11:52.07 | MayerEugen | Bushmills: so what could i do now? just install grub on sda again, overwrite the MBR ? |
| 11:52.23 | Bushmills | well, that LILO string among the first 16 bytes is surely no coicidence |
| 11:52.43 | slxix | maybe that lilo is on the first partition? |
| 11:53.23 | slxix | er..or vice versa. |
| 11:53.30 | Bushmills | slxix: we're looking at the boot sector, and partition table. that's before the first partition |
| 11:53.38 | Bushmills | the MBR, that is |
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| 11:54.17 | dutchfish | Bushmills, can he install grub in mbr again and updategrub? |
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| 11:55.15 | Bushmills | dutchfish: yes. but i'm not too experienced in reinstalling grub. better get second opinion |
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| 11:55.40 | dutchfish | Bushmills, me neither, only had to coop with this once (vista/debian) |
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| 11:56.08 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, how many OSes are installed on that system? |
| 11:56.18 | slxix | what's the problem? |
| 11:56.49 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: it a server, only one, debian etch stable |
| 11:56.56 | MayerEugen | iam completely "remote" |
| 11:57.29 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, and not inside a virtual machine? |
| 11:57.38 | MayerEugen | dutchfish: no, thats my server |
| 11:57.43 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, ok |
| 11:58.32 | PerfDave | Hi, I'm running KDE 3.5 on Debian GNU/Linux 4.0. When I start KDE (from kdm), everything is fine if my computer has no network connection. If there is a network connection, the login hangs on "Initialising System Services", eventually leaving me with a blank desktop with no windows or panel. Any idea what's wrong? .xsession-errors indicates that kded is crashing. |
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| 12:01.00 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, the only time i did this was with a rescue cd on the console, there i did grub-install /dev/hda, after that grub-update, not sure if you can do that remotely |
| 12:01.24 | dutchfish | hda or sda whatever your disk is |
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| 12:01.43 | ArthurArchnix | My openoffice interace fonts are huge. It's the only app on my system that has a problem. The tip to replace andale sans ui didn't work. I'm on lenny running xfce... am I missing a package or...? |
| 12:02.36 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, unless you have remote-ip kvm |
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| 12:03.43 | ArthurArchnix | Nevermind... I should probably direct this to the openoffice irc channel |
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| 12:04.19 | MayerEugen | dutchfish thank you a lot. I will wait until nite for that, because my box is to busy for "oh its not booting anymore" right no |
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| 12:04.22 | MayerEugen | *now |
| 12:04.27 | pas | hi guys |
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| 12:04.41 | pas | i have aproblem with my |
| 12:04.43 | pas | time |
| 12:04.51 | dutchfish | MayerEugen, be carefull, good luck |
| 12:04.52 | cjg_ | I got my sounblaster audigy working, but sound only comes out of the 2 front speakers |
| 12:05.02 | cjg_ | the center and 2 rear speakers arnt working |
| 12:05.18 | pas | when i start up my system the time is three hours forward |
| 12:05.20 | cjg_ | pas: ntpdate |
| 12:05.36 | pas | i test it but nothing |
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| 12:05.59 | cjg_ | that should correct the problem |
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| 12:06.57 | Sazpaimon | is schroot really secure? |
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| 12:07.17 | Sazpaimon | like, if i run it as apache, is it secure as the apache user ouside the chroot? |
| 12:07.40 | cjg_ | no |
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| 12:08.59 | Sazpaimon | CJB-NET, what complications can arrise from it? |
| 12:09.10 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 12:09.36 | doubleyoudoubley | read the manuel |
| 12:09.43 | Sazpaimon | I only have apache set as a regular user, not a root user |
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| 12:09.50 | Sazpaimon | and i have /home/ mounted in the chroot dir |
| 12:10.07 | Sazpaimon | i tested by running rm on a random file in some user's directory, and i got a permission denied error |
| 12:10.20 | pas | exit |
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| 12:12.40 | Sazpaimon | I did read the manual, I didnt find anything that explictively said much about excatly HOW secure schroot |
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| 12:13.52 | IceSmoke | I got my sounblaster audigy working, but sound only comes out of the 2 front speakers |
| 12:14.57 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, this all depends what your needs are, nothing is 100% secure, if it is really important it is much easier to provide a virtualized system |
| 12:15.30 | Sazpaimon | dutchfish, i just needed to run mencoder and mplayer from a shell script executed by php |
| 12:15.49 | Sazpaimon | I'm on an amd64 system and needed all the 32 bit win32 codecs |
| 12:16.14 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, i do the same with kvm/qemu |
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| 12:16.44 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, till finally 64 bit will be more mature |
| 12:16.49 | Sazpaimon | one day |
| 12:16.55 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, soon |
| 12:17.07 | Sazpaimon | but even then, the more obscure win32 codecs will NEVER be supported in x64 |
| 12:17.11 | dante_2core | fk |
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| 12:17.27 | Sazpaimon | that is, unless the mplayer devs decide to write some 32 bit wrapper for amd64 |
| 12:17.33 | Sazpaimon | which will most liklely never happen |
| 12:17.34 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, you should ask yourself would i want obscure .... |
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| 12:17.58 | Sazpaimon | dutchfish, for my script, i need the ability to handle all codecs |
| 12:18.10 | Sazpaimon | it handles user-uploaded videos |
| 12:18.17 | Sazpaimon | they can be any sort of codec |
| 12:18.27 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, vm is the way to go for now .... |
| 12:18.42 | Sazpaimon | I'm not really into making a vm on my server |
| 12:19.06 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, then you have choosen comfort over security |
| 12:19.35 | Sazpaimon | and resources |
| 12:19.40 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, yes |
| 12:20.07 | Sazpaimon | keep in mind i have a very finite amount of resources on my server, and most of them are used at any given point in time |
| 12:20.09 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, then with maybe xen |
| 12:20.48 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, schroot can backfire on you with resources too |
| 12:21.05 | Sazpaimon | how so? |
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| 12:22.03 | Sazpaimon | additionally, what security issues can arrrise when using schroot with apache |
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| 12:22.28 | Sazpaimon | ive tested descending into some directories, and was caught by permission errors, just like outside of the chroot |
| 12:22.32 | Sazpaimon | as if apache was a standard user |
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| 12:23.35 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, i havent used it for that perpose, but running 32bit in it will have its drawbacks apart from the security |
| 12:23.43 | dutchfish | s/perpose/purpose |
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| 12:24.21 | Sazpaimon | you meed sped an efficiency? |
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| 12:24.38 | Sazpaimon | because if that's the case, mencoder has always ran slow for me |
| 12:24.44 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, i think you might want to delve into modifying suexec |
| 12:25.12 | Sazpaimon | dutchfish, you mean like suexecphp? |
| 12:25.27 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, huh? |
| 12:25.45 | Sazpaimon | there's a suexec plugin for php |
| 12:25.47 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, i meant suexec not php |
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| 12:26.38 | Sazpaimon | suexec would require i pass my root password on to the script |
| 12:26.43 | Sazpaimon | in plaintext |
| 12:26.46 | Sazpaimon | wouldnt it? |
| 12:26.48 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, dont forget there is no such thing as a completely secure webserver |
| 12:26.59 | Sazpaimon | agreed |
| 12:27.12 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, no, rtfm about suexec |
| 12:27.18 | Sazpaimon | i just want to make the chrooted environent as secure as it is outside |
| 12:27.36 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, i understand |
| 12:27.47 | milo_zo1 | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 12:28.07 | Sazpaimon | and as far as I can tell, it is, but i'm not much of a guide on that |
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| 12:28.32 | greenmand | hi! is it normal for uname-r not to work? it says "command not found" |
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| 12:28.41 | Ariel_Calzada | hi how i can reverse dselection selection ? |
| 12:28.58 | arussel | greenmand: you mean "uname -r" ? |
| 12:29.31 | greenmand | yeah |
| 12:29.54 | aleksanteri | what does it exactly say? |
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| 12:29.57 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/suexec.html |
| 12:30.05 | arussel | greenmand: very not normal |
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| 12:30.25 | aleksanteri | greenmand, what does it exactly say? * |
| 12:30.26 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:30.31 | Sazpaimon | dutchfish, ah yes |
| 12:30.46 | Sazpaimon | it's always been a belief of mine to never use suexec with apache |
| 12:30.48 | greenmand | apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) gives me "uname -r not found" |
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| 12:31.01 | aleksanteri | hmm.. |
| 12:31.06 | Sazpaimon | i always thought if you needed suexec, your script was poorly coded |
| 12:31.13 | Sazpaimon | ironic that i find myself in such a situation today |
| 12:31.22 | Ariel_Calzada | how to reset dselect selection? |
| 12:31.38 | greenmand | im trying to install nvidia drivers in lenny, so far its not going too well hehehhe :p |
| 12:31.44 | jelly-home | suexec and suphp are great for shared hosting machines |
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| 12:32.10 | Sazpaimon | I run a dedi, and my apache user is started as root |
| 12:32.16 | Sazpaimon | thus i dont have suexec |
| 12:32.19 | aleksanteri | greenmand, echo $PATH |
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| 12:32.24 | aleksanteri | greenmand, what does it give? |
| 12:32.39 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, suexec is no luxe anymore, and if you use it properly it is mature |
| 12:33.16 | greenmand | aleksanteri, echo $PATH gives me: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 12:33.26 | aleksanteri | humm.. |
| 12:33.34 | Sazpaimon | dutchfish, even so, old beliefs die hard |
| 12:33.51 | aleksanteri | greenmand, what about: ls /bin/uname |
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| 12:34.15 | greenmand | aleksanteri, that gives me /bin/uname |
| 12:34.22 | aleksanteri | so it exists |
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| 12:34.29 | aleksanteri | that's weird o_O |
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| 12:34.35 | Sazpaimon | I have some other users that use the server besides me, and I don't know if they'd make a poorly written script that uses suexec to my disadvantage in the future |
| 12:34.39 | Sazpaimon | thats what mainly frightens me |
| 12:34.42 | greenmand | aleksanteri, yes :p |
| 12:34.52 | greenmand | aleksanteri, im gonna try restarting my whole system |
| 12:34.57 | greenmand | aleksanteri, thanks for helping me out :) |
| 12:35.03 | aleksanteri | greenmand, try this; sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(/bin/uname -r) |
| 12:35.08 | greenmand | ok |
| 12:35.20 | dutchfish | Sazpaimon, a2enmod suexec (but for you do that try to understand it first) and maybe you need to compile from source for your needs |
| 12:35.26 | aleksanteri | perhaps root's $PATH is screwed up >_> |
| 12:35.32 | DexterF | etch stopped setting hdparm values on startup all of a sudden. used to work, now I have to manually set the ata disks to dma and such. dmesg shows nothing suspicious. ideas? |
| 12:35.41 | Sazpaimon | in the long run, i might have been better cross-compiling ffmpeg/mplayer |
| 12:35.56 | Sazpaimon | that way i can use the readily available x86 libraries for amd64 |
| 12:36.06 | Sazpaimon | but cross compiling is scary :X |
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| 12:37.04 | aleksanteri | there was that one time when i tried to cross-compile eggdrop for spark.. nothing really came out of it. |
| 12:37.09 | Sazpaimon | anyway, im going to go to bed and ponder why i ever became a sysadin |
| 12:37.12 | greenmand | aleksanteri, , hmm look here http://pastebin.com/d2bc65623 |
| 12:37.12 | Sazpaimon | *sysadmin |
| 12:37.52 | aleksanteri | greenmand, now that's totally weird.. try apt-get update ? |
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| 12:38.50 | greenmand | apt-get update and try the same command you posted above? I just did, gives me the same error |
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| 12:42.28 | NetNiks | Hi, I'm on debian-gnome-amd64 with a X300 SE ati card |
| 12:42.48 | NetNiks | I try to get compix working but get a error |
| 12:43.05 | NetNiks | texture_from_pixmap nog found |
| 12:43.17 | NetNiks | any hints ? |
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| 12:44.19 | dutchfish | NetNiks, are you using xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (check xorg.0.log) |
| 12:44.32 | gladideg | is it normal to have 10+ Apache2 instances running at the same time on a webserver? |
| 12:44.47 | Lethalman | gladideg, yes |
| 12:45.06 | gladideg | Lethalman, ok. Why is that really? |
| 12:45.19 | gladideg | Does it spawn a instance for each visitor? |
| 12:45.22 | Lethalman | I don't know, I guess for handling requests faster |
| 12:45.27 | Lethalman | gladideg, not really |
| 12:46.00 | gladideg | ok |
| 12:46.17 | dutchfish | NetNiks, http://packages.debian.org/etch/fglrx-driver 9and this) |
| 12:46.43 | Nyle | hey what about fglrx |
| 12:47.06 | Nyle | texture from pixmap not found == no indirect rendering |
| 12:47.12 | NetNiks | dutchfish: I only found loadModule radeon in the log |
| 12:47.23 | Nyle | don't use the radeon driver... |
| 12:47.31 | NetNiks | So i will first doe a intall of this |
| 12:48.13 | wols_ | Nyle: do you know which card he uses? |
| 12:48.13 | Nyle | i read, 300 |
| 12:48.13 | Nyle | x300 |
| 12:48.13 | dutchfish | NetNiks, ok radeon is the one for your card |
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| 12:48.13 | Nyle | wols_, now that you mention it |
| 12:48.13 | Nyle | wols_, nm |
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| 12:48.29 | wols_ | NetNiks: what card/chip do you have? |
| 12:48.50 | Nyle | wols_, he said x300 se |
| 12:49.10 | Nyle | afaik, x1000 and up need fglrx, so he should be good |
| 12:49.12 | dutchfish | NetNiks, http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=57865 |
| 12:49.49 | NetNiks | wols_: lshw say's Radeon X300SE] |
| 12:50.02 | Nyle | lspci|grep VGA |
| 12:50.06 | dutchfish | he need fglrx |
| 12:50.07 | Nyle | but seems right anyway |
| 12:50.08 | NetNiks | and RV370 |
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| 12:50.40 | dutchfish | NetNiks, http://packages.debian.org/etch/fglrx-driver |
| 12:51.05 | cjg_ | Hi, im trying to setup my wifi, im using wifi radar, when I click connect on the network I keep getting could not get IP Address, I have entered in the password. |
| 12:51.26 | Nyle | X300 has the RV370 VPU and it probably going |
| 12:51.26 | Nyle | to work with the radeon Xorg driver |
| 12:51.34 | Nyle | right |
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| 12:52.58 | dutchfish | eagerly wating for R620 xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd in sid, aparently from the git i got it working but not complete yet |
| 12:53.20 | Nyle | dutchfish, cool |
| 12:53.26 | Nyle | I have a r5xx chipset |
| 12:53.28 | Nyle | r580 |
| 12:53.35 | Nyle | radeonhd from GIT works beautifullly |
| 12:53.40 | Nyle | I've got 3D accel |
| 12:53.45 | dutchfish | Nyle, kudos to them! |
| 12:53.48 | Nyle | indeed |
| 12:54.00 | Nyle | fuck fgrlx |
| 12:54.03 | NetNiks | dutchfish: going to reboot |
| 12:54.05 | Nyle | give it another year tops |
| 12:54.12 | dutchfish | :) |
| 12:54.13 | Nyle | r500 will be FULLY functional |
| 12:54.16 | Nyle | with TV out and all |
| 12:54.29 | dutchfish | Nyle, tv is already working on R620 |
| 12:54.37 | Nyle | I get a garble |
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| 12:54.49 | Nyle | 2x 22" works fine through hdmi > dvi |
| 12:54.58 | Nyle | 16080x1050 on both |
| 12:55.01 | dutchfish | Nyle, xrandr too, and 2 displays also |
| 12:55.04 | Nyle | nice |
| 12:55.08 | Nyle | dutchfish, how large? |
| 12:55.31 | dutchfish | Nyle, ahum ... (dont be jalouze) 2 display 1680 x 1050 (ducks) |
| 12:55.42 | Nyle | I got the same, how could I be jealous |
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| 12:55.49 | Nyle | if you had 24" i might be jealous |
| 12:55.54 | Nyle | 1920x1200 c'mon thats awesome |
| 12:56.00 | dutchfish | Nyle, nope 22" |
| 12:56.06 | H2S04 | or too 41" |
| 12:56.06 | Nyle | same as moi |
| 12:56.08 | H2S04 | two |
| 12:56.11 | Nyle | ooh |
| 12:56.18 | Nyle | H2S04, if you weren't a dangerous chemical i'd hug you |
| 12:56.20 | Nyle | :/ |
| 12:56.27 | H2S04 | I'm not dangerous!! |
| 12:56.29 | Nyle | some sort of acid |
| 12:56.31 | H2S04 | I feel good on the skin! |
| 12:56.32 | dutchfish | sulfuric accid |
| 12:56.33 | Nyle | h2so4 i remember that |
| 12:56.35 | Nyle | thast right |
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| 12:57.11 | H2S04 | I want a 24 port 10/100/1000 copper switch :X |
| 12:57.17 | H2S04 | managed!!! |
| 12:57.20 | Nyle | get a job |
| 12:57.20 | H2S04 | :X |
| 12:57.24 | Nyle | make some money |
| 12:57.29 | Nyle | then you can afford one :) |
| 12:57.30 | H2S04 | I have a job :p |
| 12:57.40 | dutchfish | H2S04, at weekend i stau away fro them ;) |
| 12:57.42 | Nyle | what do you do? |
| 12:57.42 | H2S04 | I wouldn't buy a managed 1000 switch though :p |
| 12:57.54 | Nyle | I like Dell's powerconnect |
| 12:57.57 | H2S04 | Freelance web design / programming |
| 12:57.59 | Nyle | those are nice |
| 12:58.09 | Nyle | H2S04, you don't live hand to mouth doing that? |
| 12:58.10 | H2S04 | I just want to speed up lan file transfers |
| 12:58.16 | Nyle | I see EVERYBODY trying to do that |
| 12:58.20 | H2S04 | H2S04: nope :D |
| 12:58.23 | Nyle | unless you're really good and have a lot of clientell |
| 12:58.27 | PerfDave | If you need 24 gigabit ethernet ports, you probably need managed switching. |
| 12:58.36 | H2S04 | I have 16 clients at the moment ;) |
| 12:58.37 | Nyle | hey its PerfDave |
| 12:58.39 | H2S04 | and many more coming |
| 12:58.46 | H2S04 | Nyle: my problem is I have to turn people down. |
| 12:58.53 | dutchfish | grinns ~300mbit over his 100mbit lan .... hihihi |
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| 12:59.01 | Nyle | H2S04, hmm |
| 12:59.12 | Nyle | H2S04, I don't do nothing like that, waste my time with technicals |
| 12:59.26 | Nyle | H2S04, I get site contracts and I get my boys in pakistan to make em very cheaply for me |
| 12:59.34 | Nyle | I give then like 10% of my contract |
| 12:59.42 | Nyle | i keep 90% us dollars :D |
| 12:59.42 | H2S04 | :P |
| 13:00.04 | H2S04 | Eh it's not that hard to do a lot of the work. |
| 13:00.08 | Nyle | plus remote support is where its at |
| 13:00.21 | dutchfish | Nyle, is this why amercian economy is almost down the drain? ;) |
| 13:00.24 | H2S04 | I never go 'on site' |
| 13:00.24 | Nyle | target small companies that can't afford an IT dept or IT guy but use a lot of computers |
| 13:00.31 | Nyle | dutchfish, not only because of me, but yes |
| 13:00.46 | H2S04 | Nyle: well they like to have a guy on site none the less |
| 13:00.50 | H2S04 | I hate doing repairs |
| 13:00.57 | Nyle | I do everything |
| 13:01.00 | Nyle | life is a hustle man |
| 13:01.02 | H2S04 | Only networking I'll do is run cables. |
| 13:01.04 | Nyle | gotta hustle |
| 13:01.08 | Lethalman | i'm trying to create a package |
| 13:01.13 | Nyle | Lethalman, good for you |
| 13:01.15 | Lethalman | but it's contents is empty |
| 13:01.17 | H2S04 | I hate dealing with some of those business owners :p |
| 13:01.20 | Lethalman | .install and .dirs are right |
| 13:01.22 | H2S04 | s/is/are |
| 13:01.30 | Nyle | Lethalman, you've read the !package basics |
| 13:01.30 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:01.36 | Nyle | !package basics |
| 13:01.37 | dpkg | package basics is probably The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 13:01.40 | Lethalman | i'm following the new maintainers guide |
| 13:01.45 | Nyle | ok |
| 13:01.52 | Lethalman | debian/tmp contains the files |
| 13:01.56 | Lethalman | while the final package doesn't |
| 13:01.57 | H2S04 | Nyle: I do fix computers if the person drops them off. |
| 13:02.05 | H2S04 | Gas is expensive :p |
| 13:02.08 | Nyle | H2S04, I get laptops shipped to me |
| 13:02.13 | Nyle | I have a deal with UPS |
| 13:02.15 | dutchfish | Lethalman, triple check your rules file |
| 13:02.32 | Nyle | they go pick up the laptops fromthe customers, I fix all softwoare problems for 1/4th of the cost of any local shop or anyone else on market |
| 13:02.36 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:02.42 | Nyle | when its fixed, ups drops it back off at thier house |
| 13:02.51 | Nyle | i am going to shut up |
| 13:02.55 | Lethalman | dutchfish, thanks |
| 13:02.56 | dvs | yay! |
| 13:02.56 | Nyle | stop giving out my business ideas |
| 13:02.58 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:02.58 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:03.13 | Nyle | dvs, oh no you di'ent! girlfriend |
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| 13:03.21 | dvs | hah! |
| 13:03.25 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:03.33 | Lethalman | I still can't find anything useful on the rules file although i checked it before |
| 13:03.58 | cjg_ | Hi, im trying to setup my wifi, im using wifi radar, when I click connect on the network I keep getting could not get IP Address, I have entered in the password. |
| 13:04.15 | H2S04 | Nyle: I'm going to set up a subnet for the windows computers I work on |
| 13:04.16 | Lethalman | i'll try to uncomment something |
| 13:04.28 | Nyle | H2S04, thats fantastic |
| 13:04.30 | H2S04 | I have a windows box and I don't wany my network getting infected with viruses :X |
| 13:04.38 | Nyle | H2S04, I keep them off on 10.0.0.x while I stay on 192.168.1.x |
| 13:04.44 | Nyle | good man |
| 13:04.55 | H2S04 | Nyle: you have a linux router you use? |
| 13:04.58 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:05.05 | Nyle | 200mhz machine |
| 13:05.06 | Nyle | :/ |
| 13:05.06 | H2S04 | use a distro or build your own? |
| 13:05.11 | dvs | o_O |
| 13:05.13 | Nyle | debian |
| 13:05.16 | H2S04 | I have a 600 mhz I was going to use. |
| 13:05.22 | H2S04 | I have a bunch of old PIII's |
| 13:05.23 | Nyle | I got 32mb ram :) |
| 13:05.39 | Lethalman | only a thing a still don't understand, what is shlibs? |
| 13:05.39 | Lethalman | shared libs? |
| 13:05.44 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:05.51 | H2S04 | H2S04: 384 mb on mine ;) |
| 13:06.00 | Nyle | H2S04, you like talking to youself a lot eh |
| 13:06.01 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:06.05 | dutchfish | Lethalman, dpkg-debcheck |
| 13:06.10 | H2S04 | Yes |
| 13:06.12 | H2S04 | ;_ |
| 13:06.14 | Nyle | I've seen you address your own self 3 times |
| 13:06.21 | H2S04 | Nyle: it's early and I've been up all night |
| 13:06.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:06.32 | Nyle | thats not good for your health man |
| 13:06.38 | H2S04 | OH IT IS |
| 13:06.39 | Lethalman | dutchfish, thanks |
| 13:06.43 | dutchfish | sorry guys i have to run my wife calling |
| 13:06.44 | Nyle | I been partying all my life and smoking weed and doing massive amounts of drugs |
| 13:06.49 | dutchfish | later |
| 13:06.54 | Nyle | I'm in such poor physical health right now its not even funny |
| 13:07.01 | Nyle | sober for 2 months, eating healthy, working out |
| 13:07.06 | H2S04 | Nyle: well I don't do drugs :P |
| 13:07.20 | Nyle | 27 years old too, i gotta fix my body before i get to old or im gonna have shitloads of problems |
| 13:07.23 | H2S04 | Nyle: does your 200 mhz box do anything but route? |
| 13:07.30 | Nyle | H2S04, nethack |
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| 13:07.34 | Nyle | :/ |
| 13:07.34 | slxix | searches H2S04's bathroom cabinet. |
| 13:07.35 | Lethalman | there's no such command ... |
| 13:07.51 | H2S04 | slxix: I don't have a bathroom, I have a bucket in the corner. |
| 13:08.03 | H2S04 | slxix: gets dumped once a week ;) |
| 13:08.08 | Nyle | ocne a week |
| 13:08.10 | Nyle | damn |
| 13:08.13 | Nyle | so you live in filth? |
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| 13:08.22 | Nyle | you smell that shit for 6 days and on the 7th you throw it out? |
| 13:08.25 | Nyle | thats nasty. |
| 13:08.29 | H2S04 | haha |
| 13:08.34 | slxix | Nyle: that sounds religious. |
| 13:08.36 | H2S04 | Fantastic isn't it? |
| 13:08.37 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 13:08.38 | Nyle | :) |
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| 13:09.11 | Nyle | I am craving a joint today man damn |
| 13:09.19 | Nyle | i don't wanna break my 2 months sober streak though |
| 13:09.22 | H2S04 | heh |
| 13:09.28 | Nyle | i know if i smoke once i will probably start again |
| 13:09.49 | Nyle | I love being able to remember things |
| 13:09.56 | Nyle | sobriety kicks ass |
| 13:10.28 | Nyle | installed a new sid yesterday |
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| 13:11.00 | Nyle | found out fglrx won't compile for anyone, wonder if the bugs been worked, but its only been a day |
| 13:11.03 | Nyle | not bloody likely |
| 13:11.17 | jelly-home | I am adding this to quotes: <Nyle> I love being able to remember things |
| 13:11.25 | Nyle | jelly-home, heh go for it |
| 13:11.55 | Nyle | amphi, pin |
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| 13:14.35 | Nyle | im gonna go get breakfast |
| 13:14.37 | Nyle | later |
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| 13:16.53 | DexterF | someone know how to check how much space/quota I have left on an ftp server? |
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| 13:23.46 | electronx | this is really annoyying the installer won't detect my sata dvd rom drive :( |
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| 13:24.00 | electronx | any ideas? |
| 13:24.03 | PerfDave | electronx: Which installer? |
| 13:24.11 | electronx | debian etch |
| 13:24.12 | dvs | PerfDave: must be etch |
| 13:24.33 | electronx | slackware 12 detects it fine |
| 13:24.40 | electronx | as /dev/sr0 |
| 13:24.51 | olczyk | I just started up shorewall, and my logs keep showing attempts by the fw zone to connect to 224.0.0.251. Any ideas what's up? |
| 13:25.03 | electronx | but will debian detect nooo |
| 13:25.07 | PerfDave | electronx: Which Debian Etch installer? |
| 13:25.12 | electronx | rc0 |
| 13:25.41 | electronx | or rc1 |
| 13:25.49 | electronx | i think r1 |
| 13:26.17 | dvs | electronx: Doesn't matter. What chipset does your motherboard use? I bet it is a Intel 9xx or later. |
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| 13:26.32 | jelly-home | !debian install can't find cdrom |
| 13:26.33 | dpkg | try adding the option irqpoll to the d-i boot line |
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| 13:26.41 | [Elvis] | anyone here know how I can format a harddisk in a sparc machine? |
| 13:26.59 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: which OS? |
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| 13:27.12 | electronx | X38-DS4 LGA775 |
| 13:27.28 | dvs | electronx: yup, it's way too new for Etch |
| 13:27.34 | electronx | :( |
| 13:27.35 | dvs | !kmuto |
| 13:27.35 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 13:27.38 | PerfDave | electronx: Which Debian Etch installer are you using? |
| 13:27.45 | electronx | dunno |
| 13:27.56 | electronx | how can it be way to new? |
| 13:27.57 | PerfDave | electronx: Well, how are you trying to install? From a CD? USB? |
| 13:28.01 | electronx | dvd |
| 13:28.10 | [Elvis] | jelly-home with solaris |
| 13:28.10 | PerfDave | OK, what DVD image did you donwload? |
| 13:28.13 | [Elvis] | :P |
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| 13:28.42 | electronx | i dled it when it came out as stable them updated the image using jigo late last year |
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| 13:28.59 | PerfDave | OK, what Jigdo file did you use? |
| 13:29.44 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: it's a valid question, and now I don't know whether you're joking or not |
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| 13:29.54 | electronx | 4.0r1 |
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| 13:30.30 | PerfDave | electronx: What's the URL of the Jigdo file you used? |
| 13:31.06 | [Elvis] | jelly-home I'm not |
| 13:31.32 | [Elvis] | the solaris installer complains the disk is not formatted...and since it doesn't have any cdrom player or other external devices |
| 13:31.35 | [Elvis] | sparc netra x1 |
| 13:31.36 | electronx | debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.template |
| 13:31.39 | electronx | i think |
| 13:31.40 | [Elvis] | I'm wonderin how I can format the disk |
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| 13:31.49 | [Elvis] | since it's not possible from solaris installer :p |
| 13:31.55 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: 1) this is not #solaris 2) the command is "format" |
| 13:32.14 | [Elvis] | :P |
| 13:32.21 | [Elvis] | format from where :p |
| 13:33.03 | jelly-home | ... from the solaris installer's shell? Ask in the proper channel. |
| 13:33.20 | [Elvis] | :p |
| 13:34.50 | electronx | PerfDave: do i need r3? |
| 13:35.00 | extor | I have recieved complaints from people that I am sending them links via MSG when I am definately not doing that. Is it possible xchat is compromised by some spam software? |
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| 13:36.04 | slxix | run wireshark and monitor? |
| 13:36.29 | PerfDave | electronx: No, you probably need to look at the Etch-and-a-Half project. |
| 13:36.34 | extor | sniff my own butt? |
| 13:36.38 | Nyle | mmmm |
| 13:36.42 | extor | does xchat have spam plugins, that people plant once they root a box? |
| 13:36.45 | Nyle | country breakfast in nyc is hard to find |
| 13:36.58 | Nyle | buscuits potatos gravy hash brown |
| 13:36.59 | extor | dennys? ihop? |
| 13:37.04 | Nyle | and a big piece of chicken |
| 13:37.06 | Nyle | extor, diner |
| 13:37.13 | extor | Dr Atkins would be turning over in his grave |
| 13:37.18 | Nyle | lol |
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| 13:37.28 | Nyle | yeh im not fat |
| 13:37.33 | jelly-home | extor: he's dead? |
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| 13:37.45 | extor | yeah he died a couple of years ago |
| 13:37.53 | electronx | bah serious i can't use my favourite distro :( |
| 13:37.55 | jelly-home | ... from bad diet? |
| 13:38.07 | extor | no from a slip and fall, he was old too |
| 13:38.18 | extor | I dunno why people expected him to live until he was 120... |
| 13:38.22 | jelly-home | electronx: you were told about /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 13:38.26 | PerfDave | electronx: Etch-and-a-Half should help you do that. |
| 13:38.29 | electronx | maybe i will use fedora grumble.....grumble |
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| 13:39.36 | electronx | you would think that sata being so common would be suported? |
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| 13:39.56 | electronx | if slackware 12 supports it doesn't that say something |
| 13:40.15 | cjg_ | Im trying to install xgl but its only avalible on cvs, how do I install it? |
| 13:40.17 | cjg_ | http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/xorg/hw/xgl/ |
| 13:40.28 | PerfDave | electronx: It's not about SATA being supported, it's abotu your particular SATA chipset being supported. |
| 13:40.49 | Nyle | hehe playing Back dat ass up |
| 13:40.51 | slxix | wow. |
| 13:40.56 | PerfDave | electronx: Generally it's a good idea to check whether your hardware is supported by your distro of choice *before* you buy it. |
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| 13:41.11 | Akuw | i need an application to download youtube videos |
| 13:41.12 | slxix | i'm playing an old commodore game. Mail order Monsters. |
| 13:41.15 | electronx | PerfDave: i upgraded recently :) |
| 13:41.16 | Nyle | you'se a fine mothafucka won't you back that ass up haha |
| 13:41.19 | Nyle | slxix, oh i know it |
| 13:41.20 | PerfDave | electronx: Your chipset may well be supoprted by etch-and-a-half. But if you want to go away and use Fedora or Slackware instead, I'm not going to lose any sleep. |
| 13:41.20 | Nyle | ! |
| 13:41.21 | phogg | electronx: if the kernel involved is too old what do you want, miracles? |
| 13:41.47 | electronx | i want debian to be more up to date |
| 13:42.03 | PerfDave | electronx: Well, Lenny will release in a few months. |
| 13:42.04 | phogg | electronx: So fix it yourself. |
| 13:42.16 | PerfDave | electronx: We've already given you several options, now quit whining. |
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| 13:43.04 | electronx | i'm not whining :) |
| 13:44.12 | cjg_ | how do I use cvs? |
| 13:44.23 | phogg | cjg_: man cvs |
| 13:45.04 | phogg | cjg_: my advice is don't use it if you don't have to. Use subversion or another newer VCS |
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| 13:45.18 | electronx | #slackware |
| 13:45.32 | asg | cjg_: before breaking your system, I'd start by reading the 'xgl' factoid and the other links and factoids therein |
| 13:46.50 | Akuw | i need an application to download youtube videos |
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| 13:47.48 | cjg_ | so dont use it? |
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| 13:47.56 | cjg_ | Akuw, greecemonkey |
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| 13:48.51 | asg | cjg_: probably better off using compiz and whatnot |
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| 13:49.50 | enouf | Akuw: youtube-dl? |
| 13:50.09 | Akuw | youtube |
| 13:50.27 | PerfDave | Akuw: There is a script called youtube-dl which lets you download videos from YouTube |
| 13:50.38 | enouf | it's a pkg in debian |
| 13:50.55 | enouf | python script though, yes |
| 13:51.08 | PerfDave | Ewww, Python |
| 13:51.22 | enouf | least of most evils |
| 13:51.33 | PerfDave | Made of failure and wrongness |
| 13:51.48 | enouf | the list is way too large |
| 13:51.52 | Akuw | humm |
| 13:51.53 | Akuw | ok |
| 13:51.57 | enouf | if that's the requirements |
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| 13:54.05 | Skaag_ | what's the name of the package for X development files? |
| 13:54.17 | liable | xorg-dev |
| 13:54.21 | Skaag | thanks |
| 13:54.22 | cast | is it possible to create a partial mirror of a repo, and when a client tries to grab something not in my partial mirror, my partial mirror downloads and adds it...all seamlessly? |
| 13:54.42 | liable | apt-cache does this |
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| 13:55.30 | liable | err, apt-proxy.. |
| 13:55.31 | asg | cast: the approx package |
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| 13:57.17 | cast | hmm, might go with approx, thanks both! |
| 13:59.11 | cast | apt-cacher seems another similar program |
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| 14:01.20 | electronx | does 64 bit give anything? |
| 14:01.31 | electronx | i mean getting 64bit linux |
| 14:01.42 | PerfDave | electronx: For most usages, no. |
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| 14:02.02 | PerfDave | electronx: For stuff like video re-encoding, dynamic binary translation, perhaps. |
| 14:02.14 | electronx | for normal desktop use? |
| 14:02.20 | cast | i use 64bit, is great. no flash, though. which is great. |
| 14:02.21 | PerfDave | electronx: No |
| 14:02.49 | electronx | does all 32bit software work in 64bit? |
| 14:03.06 | cast | some por^H^H^Hvideos come in weird formats [ive noticed some .wmvs] that won't play without the semilegal 32bit binary codecs |
| 14:03.33 | PerfDave | electronx: All i386 GNU/Linux software *should* work in amd64 GNU/Linux with appropriate libraries. |
| 14:03.46 | electronx | ok thanks |
| 14:04.11 | PerfDave | Stuff like proprietary browser plugins often need shims and other hacks. |
| 14:04.14 | jelly-home | PerfDave: yeah, but Debian doesn't have the best setup to make those i386 apps work easily |
| 14:04.24 | cast | pretty much all the free/open stuff works fine. the closed source shit doesn't |
| 14:04.40 | PerfDave | jelly-home: *shrug* I've never had a problem. |
| 14:04.42 | phogg | the free stuff can be recompiled to be 64bit, mostly |
| 14:04.46 | jelly-home | PerfDave: on other distros you can just install i386 and amd64 packages side by side |
| 14:04.59 | PerfDave | jelly-home: You say that like it's a good thing. |
| 14:05.03 | jelly-home | PerfDave: it is. |
| 14:05.10 | jelly-home | seamless! |
| 14:05.21 | PerfDave | jelly-home: No, it really isn't. Trying to resolve cross-arch dependencies on DeadRat is nearly impossible. |
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| 14:05.44 | jelly-home | PerfDave: *shrug* I've never had a problem. |
| 14:05.57 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Well, I've never had a problem with 32-bit apps on amd64 Debian :) |
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| 14:06.35 | dpm | hi, does anyone know whether there is any kernel package available with the kgdb applied? Or a package with simply the patch ready to aply to a Debian kernel? |
| 14:07.16 | wols_ | dpm: why can't you use vanilla kernel sources? |
| 14:07.49 | jelly-home | Yes Virginia, Debian will work with your vanilla kernel. |
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| 14:09.54 | dpm | wols_: If I use vanilla kernel sources, I'll have to recompile the kernel. There is no problem in doing that, but if there is a readily available package with the patch applied, it will save me doing all this. There is no need to do duplicate work, hence my question |
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| 14:10.42 | wols_ | but you also ask for a package you can apply the patch to |
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| 14:10.52 | wols_ | well there is: kernel.org has it :) |
| 14:13.00 | dpm | nevermind |
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| 14:17.21 | giorgian | recently (few days), all SDL apps fail starting, with errors like: SDL_SetVideoMode failed (Could not create GL context). what can i do to find out the cause? |
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| 14:19.10 | Eulex | giorgian, is your 3d acceleration working properly? |
| 14:19.42 | PerfDave | giorgian: What did you do a few days ago to your system? |
| 14:19.51 | PerfDave | giorgian: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 14:20.39 | giorgian | PerfDave: testing, but with some unstable package; i simply did some upgrades, but cannot tell when exatcly they stop working |
| 14:20.53 | PerfDave | giorgian: That's probably it then ;) |
| 14:21.22 | PerfDave | giorgian: What graphics card do you have, and which X drivers are you using with it? |
| 14:21.55 | giorgian | PerfDave: nvidia, using the legacy module (173.something), under a 2.6.25-1-686 kernel |
| 14:22.35 | PerfDave | giorgian: The proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 14:22.40 | giorgian | PerfDave: yes |
| 14:22.51 | PerfDave | giorgian: Probably broke when you did a kernel upgrade or something |
| 14:23.07 | giorgian | i didn't upgrade the kernel |
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| 14:23.38 | Eulex | giorgian, glxinfo |grep direct |
| 14:23.43 | giorgian | i installed a new one, but i'm not running it now; when i start X, i see the nvidia screen |
| 14:24.03 | PerfDave | giorgian: Fair enough, I'm not particularly interested in helping proprietary software :) |
| 14:24.43 | giorgian | Eulex: grep failed, and glxinfo gave, among other stuff, Error: glXCreateContext failed |
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| 14:25.22 | Eulex | giorgian, does your nvidia kernel module version match your nvidia xorg driver version? |
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| 14:25.56 | giorgian | Eulex: well, shouldn't Xorg fail, otherwise? |
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| 14:26.27 | Eulex | well, xorg won't fail |
| 14:26.34 | Eulex | the nvidia driver could, though |
| 14:26.44 | giorgian | PerfDave: i'm not asking help for proprietary software: apparently, is free software who's creating the problem... |
| 14:26.45 | socr | can i install only openoffice writer, instead of whole thing ? |
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| 14:27.11 | giorgian | Eulex: i don't know how to find out; where should i look into? |
| 14:27.26 | PerfDave | socr: Yes, with the openoffice.org-writer package. |
| 14:27.36 | Eulex | giorgian, check your package versions for the x driver and the kernel module. |
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| 14:29.39 | giorgian | Eulex: i didn't use the packages |
| 14:30.22 | Eulex | then you're on your own, and you should check your xorg log for any errors. |
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| 14:33.31 | DexterF | forgot the pass on a bos, booted to /bin/bash, now passwd says "Authentiation token lock busy, password unchanged" - whats that, how do I get around it? |
| 14:33.35 | DexterF | *box |
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| 14:35.38 | Eulex | DexterF, is the fs rw? |
| 14:36.52 | DexterF | Eulex: ah... checking... |
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| 14:37.27 | dokma | hi guys |
| 14:37.34 | DexterF | Eulex: yes, rw |
| 14:37.37 | dokma | I need a bit of grub help |
| 14:37.50 | dokma | I've copied my live partition to a new hard drive |
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| 14:38.05 | dokma | what I need to do to make grub see it has more bootable partitions? |
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| 14:38.47 | dokma | old one is /dev/hda1, new one is /dev/sda1 |
| 14:38.57 | amikrop_ | Hello. How can I actually get "Firefox" and not "Iceweasel"? |
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| 14:39.09 | dokma | both have one ext3 partition and a swap partition |
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| 14:39.39 | stew | amikrop_: go to firefox.com. but why would you want to? |
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| 14:39.43 | Eulex | DexterF, sorry, no idea then |
| 14:39.57 | amikrop_ | stew, Can't I do it with apt-get? |
| 14:39.59 | Eulex | amikrop_, there's no difference except for artwork, name, and a few bug fixes. |
| 14:40.00 | stoned | is starting to dabble in LISP |
| 14:40.08 | Eulex | !iceweasel |
| 14:40.08 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 14:40.26 | stew | amikrop_: you could if you found someone offering a firefox package. debian doesn't |
| 14:40.36 | codc | dokma: update-grub <device> ? |
| 14:40.47 | dokma | codc: thanks |
| 14:40.48 | stew | amikrop_: but seriously. why would you go to any trouble to get firefox instead of iceweasel |
| 14:40.51 | dokma | let me check that out |
| 14:40.59 | Eulex | !tell amikrop_ about why iceweasel |
| 14:41.00 | amikrop_ | stew, OK, never mind. Thanks. |
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| 14:41.24 | dokma | codc: my manual indicated that update-grub does not accept a device parameter |
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| 14:48.59 | DexterF | what is it with etch that it keeps blaring system messages to tty1 where I'm typing? |
| 14:49.41 | stoned | DexterF, what messages? |
| 14:50.09 | DexterF | stoned: like "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" |
| 14:50.23 | stoned | so don't use ipv6 |
| 14:50.29 | wols_ | your kernel |
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| 14:50.51 | stoned | any isp actually giving up iv6 addys? |
| 14:50.56 | stoned | these days yet? |
| 14:51.02 | stoned | or are people still having to tunnel |
| 14:51.13 | PerfDave | stoned: Many |
| 14:51.59 | PerfDave | stoned: Entanet and A&A in the UK are two examples of ISPs who support native IPv6 routing. |
| 14:52.09 | stoned | oh UK |
| 14:52.13 | ribnitz | Hello, I have an usb headset (Debian Sid), which has some ovlume controls /recmuting. These don't work in Linux (2.6.24, stock kernel). How can I make them work |
| 14:52.18 | stoned | that doesn't do me any good PerfDave :) |
| 14:52.29 | PerfDave | stoned: I don't follow international ISP routing trends :) |
| 14:52.33 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:52.36 | stoned | true true |
| 14:52.50 | stoned | well maybe you should |
| 14:52.51 | stoned | just for me |
| 14:52.54 | stoned | haha ;) |
| 14:52.57 | zamuro | Is there a way to add a prefix to a table before making a mysqldump? |
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| 14:53.44 | PerfDave | zamuro: man mysqldump? |
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| 14:56.02 | BubbaT | i'm having problems with networking on M2A VM. It did an initiall install of debian OK, but right now when I look at my switch the lights for the board are dark. They are on when I run XP. |
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| 14:57.57 | DexterF | stoned: you didnt get the problem. ALL those messages run up on tty1 |
| 14:59.16 | stoned | I did |
| 14:59.31 | stoned | sometimes I get those too, but libata errors *(bad optical device) |
| 14:59.52 | stoned | I dunno what to do I'm busy |
| 15:00.32 | DexterF | me too, gotta run |
| 15:00.33 | DexterF | l8r |
| 15:00.34 | stoned | DexterF, in fact |
| 15:00.40 | stoned | they should be on any tty that you're active in |
| 15:00.42 | stoned | not just tty1 |
| 15:00.53 | DexterF | usually tty8 or 10 |
| 15:00.58 | stoned | whereever |
| 15:01.01 | DexterF | shouldnt mess with me prompt at all |
| 15:01.06 | stoned | well it does |
| 15:01.09 | stoned | just hit enter and it goes away |
| 15:01.13 | stoned | :) though its not good |
| 15:01.23 | DexterF | no, not in the middl eof passwd or scp |
| 15:01.25 | stoned | you should look into it furthur, unfortunately i don't know what to do |
| 15:01.33 | stoned | DexterF, just continue typing |
| 15:01.37 | stoned | it doesn't mess with anything |
| 15:01.40 | stoned | your input is not messed with |
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| 15:02.04 | DexterF | meh |
| 15:02.04 | DexterF | whatever. |
| 15:02.04 | DexterF | gtg |
| 15:02.04 | stoned | sorry |
| 15:02.04 | stoned | bye |
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| 15:09.27 | sulo | Hi, where should I put commands that are to be run when I log in (usgin gdm) as <user> ? I.e. where does metacity/gnome look for config files? |
| 15:11.25 | Lokii- | sulo |
| 15:11.27 | asg | sulo: generally in /home/<user>/.xsession |
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| 15:12.48 | sulo | Lokii-: yes? |
| 15:12.55 | Lokii- | nvm |
| 15:12.57 | sulo | asg: okay. thanks |
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| 15:13.19 | sharp15 | is there a tor package within apt? |
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| 15:14.53 | Lokii- | why not check and see |
| 15:15.04 | Lokii- | apt-cache search tor |
| 15:15.07 | sharp15 | i've tried not having much luck. |
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| 15:16.13 | defrysk | sharp15, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tor |
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| 15:17.39 | sharp15 | defrysk: does that mean i need to add "backports" to my sources.lst? |
| 15:18.08 | defrysk | sharp15, you can also download it from there and install it with dpkg -i |
| 15:18.16 | dv_ | hello |
| 15:18.32 | dv_ | is there a tool I can use for determining what type a CD is of? |
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| 15:18.38 | dv_ | like, if its a cdrom, a blank cd, etc. |
| 15:18.48 | doublehp | how to prevent installing a package ? for example, I want to install xserver-xorg but not xserver-xorg-video-all{a} ... |
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| 15:20.03 | wols_ | you'd need to change dependencies of xserver-xorg OR provide your own xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 15:20.05 | Eulex | doublehp, install a video driver first. |
| 15:20.13 | wols_ | but both are, imho, not good ideas |
| 15:20.28 | Eulex | wols_, xserver-xorg-input-all | xserver-xorg-input-2 |
| 15:20.34 | defrysk | dv_, any cd is detected for what it is automagically afaik |
| 15:20.39 | Eulex | eh |
| 15:20.41 | dv_ | no |
| 15:20.52 | dv_ | there are CDs I cannot mount |
| 15:20.55 | Eulex | xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-2, but you prolly got the idea |
| 15:21.01 | wols_ | Eulex: in this case yes |
| 15:21.02 | dv_ | and I want to know if they are blank or corrupted |
| 15:21.14 | defrysk | dv_, probably corrupted |
| 15:21.20 | dv_ | something like "cd-info" |
| 15:21.30 | dv_ | k3b has such a thing, but I dont want to install the entire k3b |
| 15:21.30 | wols_ | dv_: do a simulated write on them. if it fails you know |
| 15:21.38 | doublehp | Eulex: works, thanks :) |
| 15:21.39 | salvin | doublehp, install xserver-xorg-core |
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| 15:21.46 | dv_ | a write. |
| 15:21.47 | dv_ | on a cd. |
| 15:21.54 | Eulex | simulated |
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| 15:22.18 | wols_ | dv_: yes. a cd can only be blank if it's a CD-R and then you can write on it or simulate a writing |
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| 15:23.04 | anddam | hi |
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| 15:23.29 | defrysk | dv_, if you have a cd/dvd burning app also make sure the burning app it not broken down for lets say cd's |
| 15:23.37 | defrysk | I have had that |
| 15:23.44 | defrysk | and had to buy a new writer |
| 15:23.46 | dv_ | but I dont want to burn anything! |
| 15:23.49 | \amethyst | dv_: you mentioned cd-info; why not use that? |
| 15:23.59 | dv_ | it doesnt exist in the repository |
| 15:24.04 | dv_ | it was just a theoretical example |
| 15:24.08 | defrysk | dv_, I could aso not mount cd writables |
| 15:24.33 | dv_ | dvd+rw-mediainfo is what I want - but for DVDs |
| 15:24.35 | \amethyst | dv_: check out the package libcdio-utils |
| 15:24.48 | \amethyst | dv_: ah, it's not in stable, at least not under that package name |
| 15:25.03 | wols_ | dv_: do you understand what a SIMULATED burn is? |
| 15:25.12 | dv_ | thats fine, I'm using testing anyway |
| 15:25.41 | dv_ | finally |
| 15:25.45 | dv_ | cdio is what I need |
| 15:25.48 | magellanino | Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery None but ourselves can free our minds ;) |
| 15:25.49 | dv_ | thanks |
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| 15:26.59 | wols_ | magellanino: I'd rather emancipate myself from stupid spam like yours. much more enjoyable if one is successful |
| 15:27.15 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to find all symbolic links for a file? For example, if I have a source file, is it possible to find all links that are associated with it? |
| 15:27.20 | magellanino | lol |
| 15:27.40 | wols_ | Led_Zeppelin: only by a full filesystem search. brute force |
| 15:27.51 | Led_Zeppelin | wols_, I feared that. thankyou |
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| 15:32.35 | sulo | I searched the package archive for 'pidgin'. It says it's in 'backports' (I'm running etch). What should I add to my etc/apt/sources.list file to get access to backports? |
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| 15:32.52 | Eulex | backports.org says so |
| 15:32.58 | sulo | Eulex: thanks |
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| 15:36.23 | ninjaslim | how can i force fsck upon boot |
| 15:37.17 | stew | ninjaslim: touch /forcefsck |
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| 15:37.41 | ninjaslim | stew: will that do it for every drive |
| 15:38.17 | stew | ninjaslim: every drive with a 1 or 2 in passno in fstab |
| 15:38.27 | ninjaslim | oh |
| 15:38.30 | stew | s/drive/partition |
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| 15:38.52 | ninjaslim | stew: what does Debian set a home partition to during installation |
| 15:39.03 | stew | ninjaslim: 1 |
| 15:39.10 | ninjaslim | ok good good |
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| 15:39.56 | stew | err i mean 2 (1 is only for /) |
| 15:40.03 | Pryon | I think root gets 1, everything else gets 2 |
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| 15:40.15 | Pryon | slow today |
| 15:40.22 | stew | non-zero being the important part here |
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| 15:40.35 | ninjaslim | yup |
| 15:40.49 | somedude | if you wanna do a dual boot of vista and debian what's the best way |
| 15:41.00 | ninjaslim | a bug in KDE 4.1 beta 1 has been forcing me to restart my computer every so often and i've ended up corrupting data or so it seems |
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| 15:41.26 | streuner | somedude: remove vista and install Debian |
| 15:41.49 | stew | somedude: install debian second |
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| 15:42.17 | streuner | somedude: you need some space, everything else do Debian for you |
| 15:42.29 | streuner | somedude: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 15:43.47 | streuner | d-i (debian-installer) could handle NTFS5 as long as ntfs-utils (>2.0) used there |
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| 15:44.26 | ninjaslim | great now i have to run fsck manually |
| 15:44.27 | streuner | its in unstable/sid, so you might have problems with etch |
| 15:44.39 | sixty6murph | hi, on my thinkpad portmap and nfs daemons take a very long time to start and stop |
| 15:44.40 | dori | could someone tell me how I keep resolv.conf from being overwritten (using dhcp)? |
| 15:44.45 | streuner | s/etch/etch-installer/ |
| 15:45.09 | streuner | sixty6murph: just put the hosts into /etc/hosts, surely a DNS issue |
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| 15:45.49 | streuner | dori: dhclient? |
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| 15:46.10 | streuner | check out /etc/dhclient.conf and configure everything else there, its mentioned |
| 15:46.21 | dori | streuner: I guess, whatever does DHCP connections I guess overwrites it with my ISP's, but I want to keep my own |
| 15:46.48 | streuner | good, read what we told you above |
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| 15:47.18 | streuner | or use resolvconf |
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| 15:47.58 | deltas4 | can I use debian-amd64 on any x64 or just amds 64? |
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| 15:48.39 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 15:48.39 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 15:48.42 | stew | deltas4: its the one you'd use for an intel core2duo as well |
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| 15:49.21 | ninjaslim | when debian formats drives with ext3 during install, what is the default block size it uses |
| 15:49.42 | deltas4 | that's it thank you :) |
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| 15:51.06 | sixty6murph | now starting statd failed - haven't changed anything just seeing what happened... |
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| 15:51.50 | greeg | hi |
| 15:52.04 | deltas4 | debian-amd64 will support even x86 apps? |
| 15:52.28 | Eulex | if you have the needed libraries |
| 15:52.34 | streuner | sixty6murph: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 15:52.42 | Eulex | *needed 32-bit libraries |
| 15:52.51 | Eulex | generally, a chroot is recommended. |
| 15:53.07 | streuner | needs to change his system to amd64 as well, but no time yet... |
| 15:53.27 | sixty6murph | streuner: libc6 2.7-10 installed (ii) |
| 15:53.46 | streuner | sixty6murph: did you check BTS yet? |
| 15:53.49 | greeg | im using a web site, that involves a cd with .wmv clips coresponding to links. It has a link such that i select the drive letter the cd rom resides. the problem is the web site only accounts for windows drive letters. |
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| 15:54.26 | greeg | is there a way to disguise /dev/scd0 as E: for example ? |
| 15:54.30 | deltas4 | awright |
| 15:54.51 | greeg | id rather not install a windows duel boot. |
| 15:55.02 | sixty6murph | streuner: bts? |
| 15:55.14 | streuner | !bts |
| 15:55.14 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 15:55.25 | deltas4 | by the way do you prefer vmware or virtualbox? |
| 15:55.26 | sixty6murph | will do |
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| 15:58.58 | sertinell | buenas, tengo un "pequeño" problema con mi debian, no se que narices le pasa, pero no me deja instalar nada. pego los errores |
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| 15:59.15 | sertinell | soryy |
| 15:59.18 | sertinell | sorry |
| 15:59.26 | sertinell | I'll go to debian-es :) |
| 15:59.43 | stew | gracias |
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| 16:06.31 | sixty6murph | streuner: found similar bug from 2 years ago, but a case of portmap trying to use port in use. also rpcinfo -p produces an rpc system error |
| 16:07.00 | sixty6murph | streuner: anyway i'll have to figure it out later, gotta go. cheers anyway... |
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| 16:08.40 | sulo | Hi, apt-get complains packages cannot be authenticated. I've gotten the debian-archive-keyring and run apt-get update, but it doesn't help. (running etch) |
| 16:09.32 | hoxu | sulo, what sources are you using? |
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| 16:10.00 | sulo | hoxu ftp.dk.debian.org |
| 16:10.14 | sulo | hoxu and backports.org. |
| 16:10.30 | hoxu | sulo, did you read the backports.org instructions? |
| 16:10.42 | sulo | hoxu, yes. |
| 16:10.51 | hoxu | then you don't have that problem |
| 16:10.54 | hoxu | next question? :p |
| 16:10.59 | liable | so comment one of them to see which is the culprit |
| 16:11.08 | hoxu | sulo, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:11.22 | sulo | hoxu: allright. I see it. sry |
| 16:12.38 | hoxu | !forgive sulo |
| 16:12.38 | dpkg | Well, sulo boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows sulo head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 16:12.56 | sulo | lulz |
| 16:12.58 | liable | hah |
| 16:13.21 | sulo | thanks dpkg |
| 16:13.21 | codc | has any one a idea whats going wrong with my perl in debian etch -> http://paste.debian.net/5771/ |
| 16:13.48 | sulo | whatever happened to apt? (the bot) |
| 16:13.49 | hoxu | so, on grade from experimental to experimental, how experimental is experimental's experimental iceweasel3 package? |
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| 16:14.24 | liable | i'd go for it. cant be that badder |
| 16:14.31 | stoned | badder? |
| 16:14.32 | stoned | :) |
| 16:15.52 | hoxu | does it import history from iceweasel 2.x? |
| 16:16.15 | stoned | hoxu, one helluva question |
| 16:16.17 | stoned | :) |
| 16:16.31 | stoned | not afaik, it didn't import shit for me |
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| 16:16.42 | stoned | then again I didn't use the package, I dl ff3 rc1 from mozilla |
| 16:16.53 | Eulex | for me it imported most stuff |
| 16:17.02 | Eulex | I used the package |
| 16:17.09 | stoned | ahh thats probably why |
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| 16:22.04 | edyfox | Hi all! A short question. How can I create a .deb package that installs some setXid files to the target system? |
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| 16:23.21 | cyzie | setxid? |
| 16:23.30 | WormFood | did sid recently break scim? I had it installed and working great, and how after an apt-get upgrade, it no longer works |
| 16:23.39 | edyfox | -rwsrwx--- 1 root plugdev 4860 06-09 00:21 /usr/bin/u |
| 16:23.45 | edyfox | Like this. |
| 16:23.49 | dudeman | WormFood, not to my knowledge, check bts yet? |
| 16:23.59 | WormFood | no dudeman |
| 16:24.02 | dudeman | it maybe even time to file a bug |
| 16:24.03 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:24.06 | cyzie | edyfox, i think u can do it at the pre- or post of a .deb |
| 16:24.11 | edyfox | Currently I'm using postinst to change its mode. It works fine. But I doubt there maybe some better ideas. |
| 16:24.12 | WormFood | edyfox, what branch of debian you running? |
| 16:24.17 | edyfox | Lenny. |
| 16:24.30 | WormFood | why don't you run sid? it is fun |
| 16:24.36 | dudeman | WormFood, please dont'. |
| 16:24.47 | edyfox | I like Lenny. |
| 16:24.49 | dudeman | !sid faq |
| 16:24.49 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
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| 16:25.04 | edyfox | So such work can only be done by postinst? |
| 16:25.06 | WormFood | dudeman, edyfox is a friend of mine, I'm joking with him |
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| 16:25.14 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:25.22 | cyzie | edyfox, what is your real question ? |
| 16:25.29 | dudeman | I just don't want people to get the wrong idea about sid |
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| 16:25.44 | dudeman | lots of people use it because of new software and then i see them complain in here when it breaks |
| 16:25.46 | edyfox | cyzie: I want to make a program be set as root:plugdev 4770. |
| 16:25.46 | dudeman | no biggy |
| 16:26.06 | WormFood | edyfox, is trying to make sure bits are set right |
| 16:26.12 | WormFood | edyfox, have you tried a post install script? |
| 16:26.22 | cyzie | edico, u mean the program itself, chmod 4770 ? |
| 16:26.24 | edyfox | My postinst script works fine. |
| 16:27.16 | edyfox | I just want to make sure that the *proper* way of doing such job is just using postinst, or there is another better way. |
| 16:27.37 | cyzie | edyfox, postinst is just fine and fit to the spot |
| 16:27.51 | edyfox | OK, I'll stick with that then. |
| 16:28.02 | edyfox | This is my first time trying to create a deb package. It's fun. |
| 16:28.21 | cyzie | yes, i have a few of them myself |
| 16:28.23 | WormFood | edyfox, you're not using scim, are you? |
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| 16:29.01 | WormFood | edyfox, I can't type in chinese :( |
| 16:29.06 | edyfox | Why not? I'm using SCIM. And James Su is one of my close friends. |
| 16:29.21 | WormFood | kewl! |
| 16:29.33 | WormFood | well, tell him sid broke it! ;) |
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| 16:29.48 | cyzie | mmm, all chinese here? |
| 16:29.54 | WormFood | if I get it working, can I type chinese? |
| 16:30.03 | dudeman | WormFood, you speak/read/write in chinese? |
| 16:30.04 | wols_ | in here? no |
| 16:30.04 | edyfox | OK, I'll have a face-to-face talk with him next Tuesday. (As tomorrow is a holiday here) |
| 16:30.23 | WormFood | dudeman, yes, a little |
| 16:30.28 | dudeman | ah a little |
| 16:30.30 | dudeman | I was about to sya |
| 16:30.35 | WormFood | nihao :P |
| 16:30.39 | dudeman | I thought you were a western dude in china |
| 16:30.41 | dudeman | :) |
| 16:30.44 | WormFood | I am |
| 16:30.48 | WormFood | I'm from Florida |
| 16:30.52 | WormFood | I live in Shenzhen |
| 16:30.52 | dudeman | word |
| 16:30.59 | dudeman | im from louisiana |
| 16:30.59 | dudeman | :D |
| 16:31.14 | WormFood | I've been there before |
| 16:31.24 | WormFood | been to "nawlins" |
| 16:31.36 | dudeman | yea yea |
| 16:31.38 | edyfox | This is my first time realizing that the ability of creating .deb is so important, chuckling. |
| 16:31.39 | dudeman | baby |
| 16:31.49 | dudeman | edyfox, its an art |
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| 16:32.03 | WormFood | I was there in the late 1980s, or early 90s |
| 16:32.10 | dudeman | edyfox, im sure you've looked at the installation script docs on the maintaners guide? |
| 16:32.13 | dudeman | !nmg |
| 16:32.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 16:32.23 | dudeman | in case you have not, check this out |
| 16:32.39 | edyfox | I'm reading that. |
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| 16:34.09 | edyfox | I'm not concerned about the policy. My package is purely for internal use only. |
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| 16:34.33 | dudeman | :) its a lot more than policy |
| 16:34.41 | dudeman | it is the bible for creating packages |
| 16:34.43 | bobesponja | hi |
| 16:34.48 | dudeman | skip the policy stuff |
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| 16:34.57 | thor^ | hi |
| 16:35.15 | dudeman | sup |
| 16:35.17 | thor^ | where is the htdocs located when you install apache? |
| 16:35.19 | bobesponja | how do I change the language in bash to English? (everything is in French) |
| 16:35.27 | dudeman | thor^, Har mar du? |
| 16:35.28 | edyfox | I just went through it. And I'll print it out later. |
| 16:35.30 | dudeman | :d |
| 16:35.36 | hoxu | thor^, /var/www? |
| 16:35.50 | edyfox | bobesponja: Set your locate to "C" or "POSIX". |
| 16:35.55 | edyfox | *locale |
| 16:36.04 | thor^ | hoxu: thanks |
| 16:36.16 | bobesponja | edyfox: how would I do that? |
| 16:36.32 | edyfox | export LANG=POSIX |
| 16:37.46 | bobesponja | edyfox: ok, but how do I make the change permanent? I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales but it only regenerated the french |
| 16:38.10 | sharp15 | is there a pacakge that will set the root window to a given bitmap? i can't find the program i normally use in apt. |
| 16:38.32 | edyfox | Doesn't "dpkg-reconfigure locales" provide a dialog asking your for the *default* locale? |
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| 16:39.41 | WormFood | sharp15, that is boring...run a screen saver in your root window, and have an animated background (I'm joking, but you can really do that) |
| 16:40.03 | edyfox | I'm going to sleep now. Talk to you later. |
| 16:40.12 | WormFood | 'night edyfox |
| 16:40.19 | sharp15 | WormFood: this is a vm. i'm trying to avoid too much overhead. |
| 16:40.21 | WormFood | I won't be long after you, it is almost 1am |
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| 16:40.44 | WormFood | over head? |
| 16:41.02 | sharp15 | should be one word. |
| 16:41.05 | WormFood | I used to run screen savers in the background, and make it update every 40 seconds |
| 16:41.11 | sharp15 | scolds the spacebar |
| 16:41.17 | WormFood | it depends on how you do it |
| 16:41.23 | dudeman | crackhead :) |
| 16:41.26 | WormFood | that big fuckin' space bar is in my way |
| 16:42.13 | sharp15 | i'm just trying to put an image behind the xdm login box so i don't have too look at that checker board pattern. |
| 16:42.20 | sharp15 | it gives me a headache. |
| 16:42.36 | dudeman | how long does it take you to put i your user/pass |
| 16:42.37 | dudeman | ? |
| 16:42.47 | dudeman | 10 seconds tops? you headaches in 10 seconds? |
| 16:42.53 | dudeman | +get+ |
| 16:43.02 | dudeman | might wanna go see a doctor bro, thats not healthy |
| 16:43.18 | sharp15 | right now i'm still doing set up so the thing comes up a lot. |
| 16:43.28 | WormFood | sharp15, did you check the xdm docs? |
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| 16:44.35 | sharp15 | WormFood: as far as i can tell xdm needs a second program to do this. i'm looking at a linuxjournal article suggesting xv but i can't find it in apt. |
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| 16:46.14 | Leland_Palmer | sigh |
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| 16:46.38 | Leland_Palmer | hi...ive been trying to install nvidia drivers for a couple of hours now... I cant even get past the install |
| 16:46.52 | WormFood | sharp15, did you try xset root? |
| 16:46.54 | Leland_Palmer | "cc compiler gcc-4.1 failed checksum" |
| 16:46.55 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, tell us more |
| 16:47.01 | Leland_Palmer | sure let me show you my log and thanks |
| 16:47.03 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, using nvidia installer? |
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| 16:47.11 | sharp15 | WormFood: xsetroot only does bitmaps or solid colors. |
| 16:47.13 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, yes |
| 16:47.17 | dudeman | don't do that |
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| 16:47.21 | dudeman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:47.21 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 16:47.30 | dudeman | !nvidia |
| 16:47.30 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 16:47.35 | dudeman | read the wiki page first |
| 16:48.22 | WormFood | sharp15, look at your original question....I think you already answered it |
| 16:48.22 | WormFood | you DID ask to set it to a bitmap |
| 16:48.23 | WormFood | and even setting it to a solid color would be better than the checkerboard |
| 16:48.31 | ajakkes | when switching from grafic interface to text interface and back, the graphical interface becomes darker. |
| 16:48.45 | sharp15 | WormFood: i asked to set an image. was also hoping not to have to convert a picture every time i want to change it. but ok. |
| 16:48.47 | ajakkes | Logging out and in again makes it bright again |
| 16:48.54 | ajakkes | what can i do about that? |
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| 16:49.30 | WormFood | [00:38:11] <sharp15> is there a pacakge that will set the root window to a given bitmap? i can't find the program i normally use in apt. <-- you asked to set it to a bitmap :P |
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| 16:49.41 | WormFood | [00:47:11] <sharp15> WormFood: xsetroot only does bitmaps or solid colors. |
| 16:49.50 | sharp15 | i guess i did. dang it. |
| 16:49.52 | dudeman | no |
| 16:49.57 | dudeman | it also does gradients dosn't it |
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| 16:50.42 | WormFood | it does not look like it dudeman (xsetroot) |
| 16:51.12 | dudeman | well |
| 16:51.25 | dudeman | there was some such program like that I saw being used in a fluxbox theme |
| 16:51.37 | dudeman | it was setting a gradient using xsetroot or xsetbg or something |
| 16:51.44 | dudeman | can't quite remember |
| 16:51.50 | WormFood | almost any program can be made to run in the root window |
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| 16:53.50 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, thanks buddy, just a question, I heard someone recomend something called "envy" is that something i should try instead of the debian way? |
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| 16:54.10 | dudeman | if its not the debian way, don't worry about it |
| 16:54.18 | dudeman | personally I've not heard of envy, sorry |
| 16:54.30 | dudeman | and you are welcome |
| 16:54.40 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, did you get it to work though? |
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| 16:54.47 | dudeman | got nvidia goin? |
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| 16:55.17 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, im currently at "Use module-assistant" |
| 16:55.19 | wols_ | Leland_Palmer: not really |
| 16:55.33 | wols_ | at least not if you want support from debian |
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| 16:56.33 | Leland_Palmer | wols oh okay |
| 16:56.48 | Leland_Palmer | forgive my ignorance, I havent used linux since 2007 :) |
| 16:57.06 | Leland_Palmer | bam |
| 16:57.27 | Leland_Palmer | m-a auto-install nvidia gave me a screen with "installation of the nvidia-kernel source fialed" |
| 16:57.38 | Leland_Palmer | failed* |
| 16:58.08 | Leland_Palmer | "bad luck the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found" |
| 16:59.12 | dudeman | so get the headers |
| 16:59.19 | dudeman | m-a prepare should take care of it |
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| 16:59.47 | Leland_Palmer | I tried module assitant |
| 16:59.49 | dudeman | and make sure you're booted under the right kernel |
| 17:00.30 | Leland_Palmer | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package |
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| 17:00.33 | Leland_Palmer | hmm |
| 17:00.38 | dudeman | lenny? |
| 17:00.41 | Leland_Palmer | yeah |
| 17:00.46 | dudeman | yeh |
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| 17:00.50 | dudeman | nvidia is currently broken in lenny |
| 17:00.51 | dudeman | :( |
| 17:01.04 | Leland_Palmer | :/ |
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| 17:01.19 | _eskimo | hi |
| 17:01.20 | sauvin | I was working on a case. It had to be a case, because I couldn't afford a desk. Then I saw her. This tall blond lady. She must have been tall because I was on the third floor. She rolled her deep blue eyes towards me. I picked them up and rolled them back. We kissed. She screamed. I took the cigarette from my mouth and kissed her again. |
| 17:01.22 | Leland_Palmer | so im out of luck then? or use sid/etch? |
| 17:01.44 | dudeman | can't use etch without reformat |
| 17:01.48 | dudeman | or re install |
| 17:01.55 | dudeman | only option left is to use sid but EEK! |
| 17:01.59 | dudeman | I don't recommend it |
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| 17:02.09 | dudeman | just use nv for now until the driver in lenny works again |
| 17:02.16 | dudeman | xorg-video-nv |
| 17:02.23 | dudeman | no 3d, just 2d, but hey, at least it will work |
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| 17:05.43 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, oh man.. I just spent 5 hours trying to make it work.. hehhe.. at least I know why now .. :) Well once more a big thank you! |
| 17:06.18 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, heres another "question" I couldnt find xorg-video-nv on apt, does the bot dpkg carry a dep list I can use? |
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| 17:07.31 | helo_ | what is the latest kernel that etch can be upgraded to easily? |
| 17:07.51 | Mykroft | i'm trying to upgrade ldap from etch to lenny and apt is hanging up |
| 17:07.53 | Mykroft | http://pastebin.com/m5050c472 |
| 17:08.21 | Mykroft | it just sits at that last line and doesn't do anything |
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| 17:08.32 | dudeman | oh |
| 17:08.36 | dudeman | sorry i have given you a wrong package name |
| 17:08.39 | dudeman | my mistake |
| 17:08.52 | dudeman | apt-cache serarch xorg|grep nv |
| 17:08.56 | Mykroft | is there a way to at least up the reporting so i can see what the underlying problem is? |
| 17:08.58 | dudeman | (me not on linux atm) |
| 17:09.04 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, ^^ |
| 17:09.25 | helo_ | is it any easier to install the 2.6.25 kernel on etch than 2.6.22? |
| 17:09.29 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, its a free driver that comes with xorg and runs nvidia hw |
| 17:09.33 | helo_ | easier or harder... |
| 17:09.36 | dudeman | no 3d accel, but its good enough |
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| 17:10.10 | loulouloulou | hi all is there a way in linux to know how many records a mysql database has in total ? Or some phpmyadmin alike text based tool ? |
| 17:10.30 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, btw, I dont know anything about nvidia binary driver installer, as I've NEVER used it in debian |
| 17:10.43 | helo_ | where can i read about upgrading my etch kernel to a newer release? |
| 17:10.43 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, I/we dont' recommend using it since it is known to break systems |
| 17:11.01 | helo_ | can i backport a kernel from lenny just as i would any package? |
| 17:11.14 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, ah okay, it looks like im already running the current version |
| 17:11.28 | xand | loulouloulou: #mysql :P |
| 17:12.03 | sharp15 | thanks for the help |
| 17:12.37 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, its a shame, my system isnt exactly smooth :/ do you know when nvidia will be 100% on lenny? |
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| 17:13.45 | JegAne | Is it possible for me to ssh into an account, background a process that will take a long time, and logout without the process exiting? |
| 17:13.57 | Batchy | nohup |
| 17:14.02 | helo_ | is there a source i should use to get newer kernel sources for etch, or are the ones from kernel.org fine? |
| 17:15.27 | helo_ | 'no hangup'? |
| 17:15.34 | xand | helo_: why do you want a newer kernel? they'll certainly work |
| 17:15.44 | SeveredCross | JegAne: GNU screen. |
| 17:15.46 | xand | JegAne: use screen |
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| 17:15.49 | helo_ | atl2 network driver won't compile for 2.6.18 |
| 17:15.53 | SeveredCross | Screen is your best friend. |
| 17:15.54 | DexterF | !grub |
| 17:15.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 17:16.07 | SeveredCross | I've had an irssi session for something like 2 weeks now via GNU screen. |
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| 17:16.21 | Batchy | JegAne: nohup is specifically made for this purpose |
| 17:16.30 | Batchy | just nohup yourcommand |
| 17:16.32 | xand | helo_: well I've had no problems with kernel.org kernels on etch |
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| 17:16.49 | centrx | helo_, you can use etch-backports |
| 17:16.58 | centrx | it has version 2.6.22 |
| 17:17.00 | helo_ | xand: i'd prefer to minimize the time i spend configuring the new kernel... are there standard debian .configs i can use that will build a generic kernel? |
| 17:17.01 | centrx | that is the quickest way |
| 17:17.07 | helo_ | that should be good enough |
| 17:17.12 | xand | helo_: dunno |
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| 17:17.32 | xand | when I've compiled them I've wanted to customize them to my cpu and to remove unncessary stuff |
| 17:17.36 | claint_ | i want to compile a vserver kernel. is there a way to apply the vserver patch the right way? |
| 17:17.38 | DexterF | after a kernel upgrade the windows xp entry in grub is gone - how to "scan" for it and re-insert it? |
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| 17:19.13 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, no idea |
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| 17:20.17 | SeveredCross | DexterF: That's probably a GRUB update, not a kernel update that did that. |
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| 17:20.34 | SeveredCross | The kernel only calls grub-update, which shouldn't touch the Windows XP entry. |
| 17:20.35 | claint_ | nvm, i found it |
| 17:20.39 | SeveredCross | Since it's not in the automagic kernels list. |
| 17:20.40 | dadark | Hey folks |
| 17:20.49 | SeveredCross | But if you need to re-add it, you might as well ad it by hand. |
| 17:20.54 | DexterF | SeveredCross: well, apparently ir did. |
| 17:20.56 | DexterF | *it |
| 17:20.59 | dadark | Is there a way to extract /etc/apache2/* from apache2.2-common? |
| 17:21.07 | DexterF | or *something* did |
| 17:21.12 | dudeman | ar x blah.deb |
| 17:21.20 | wols_ | dadark: no. those files are generated by debconf on install mainly |
| 17:21.25 | dudeman | unpack the deb like so and copy the files where you need to copy them |
| 17:21.29 | dudeman | dadark, why? |
| 17:21.37 | wols_ | DexterF: update-grub did which is run when you install a new kernel |
| 17:21.38 | JegAne | Batchy: I just tried logging out after nohup long_process & , and my ssh client has hung |
| 17:21.41 | dadark | wols_: Oh.. Can I generate them manually? |
| 17:21.49 | wols_ | that program edits menu.lst to add the new kernel into your grub menu |
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| 17:22.02 | dadark | dudeman: Because even after a purge and fresh install of apache2 it didn't populate /etc/apache2 |
| 17:22.05 | dudeman | nm |
| 17:22.09 | wols_ | try to run it again (update-grub) or failing that edit it in by hand |
| 17:22.09 | dudeman | wols got it |
| 17:22.16 | dadark | And I don't feel like getting the config right myself |
| 17:22.16 | dudeman | er.. nm |
| 17:22.18 | dudeman | hes on a diff thing |
| 17:22.28 | wols_ | !tell dadark about confmiss |
| 17:22.33 | dudeman | beat me to it |
| 17:22.34 | SeveredCross | DexterF: http://pastebin.com/d4ea1d378 |
| 17:22.34 | DexterF | wols_: I set the windows partition to "noauto" in fstab - didn't it see it and kicked the entry? |
| 17:22.39 | dudeman | wols_, /msg |
| 17:22.51 | SeveredCross | fstab should have nothing to do with it. |
| 17:22.53 | dadark | wols_: Excellent, thank you |
| 17:22.57 | JegAne | JegAne: forget that last comment |
| 17:23.04 | SeveredCross | DexterF: That pastebin above is what you need for XP in GRUB's config file. |
| 17:23.07 | dadark | wols_: Is that taken from some kind of public FAQ? |
| 17:23.12 | JegAne | Batchy: forget that last comment |
| 17:23.15 | SeveredCross | Don't forget to change (hd0,3) to wherever you have XP installed. |
| 17:23.44 | DexterF | SeveredCross: yah, dug up something like that, too. will see.... |
| 17:24.44 | Eulex | dadark, if dpkg is a public faq, then yes. afaik the factoids are available for browsing on the www |
| 17:25.51 | dadark | Eulex: I mean the bot's knowledge |
| 17:26.27 | Eulex | it's mostly added to it by its users |
| 17:26.42 | dadark | Ah, okay |
| 17:27.25 | DexterF | shit. when I manually run update-grub, the entry is gone again. should I put them *outside* the auto-generated kernel list perhaps? |
| 17:28.08 | dudeman | !dpkg.web.search |
| 17:28.09 | dpkg | i heard dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 17:28.11 | dudeman | !dpkgbot |
| 17:28.11 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 17:28.15 | dudeman | help yourself. |
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| 17:28.29 | cjg_ | how do I install flash for iceweasel |
| 17:28.34 | ajakkes | When i switch from text to graphic terminal the graphic terminal becomes less bright, what happened? |
| 17:28.41 | SeveredCross | cjg_: Debian Multimedia should have it. |
| 17:28.45 | dudeman | use gnash and/or install flashplayer-nonfree package |
| 17:28.47 | SeveredCross | DexterF: Uh, yeah, generally. |
| 17:28.50 | cjg_ | ? |
| 17:28.56 | dudeman | cj use gnash and/or install flashplayer-nonfree package |
| 17:28.58 | SeveredCross | You put anything that's not a Linux kernel outside that list. |
| 17:29.09 | dudeman | !info flashplayer-nonfree |
| 17:29.12 | SeveredCross | dudeman: flashplayer-nonfree isn't installable IIRC, though I may be crazy. |
| 17:29.27 | dudeman | wrong package name again |
| 17:29.32 | DexterF | SeveredCross: well, th einstaller put it there itself... thought it was safe. well, ok. |
| 17:29.36 | dudeman | search flash|grep non |
| 17:29.38 | dudeman | i dunno |
| 17:29.47 | SeveredCross | DexterF: If the installer put it there, that might be a bug. |
| 17:29.47 | cjg_ | no such packages |
| 17:29.51 | SeveredCross | Because it shouldn't be there. |
| 17:29.55 | dudeman | i instaleld it las tnight |
| 17:29.58 | dudeman | its there, trust me |
| 17:30.33 | cjg_ | !info flashplayer-nonfree |
| 17:30.34 | SeveredCross | Word. Maybe I was just missing something. |
| 17:30.38 | dudeman | !flash |
| 17:30.38 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:30.44 | dudeman | !adobe flash |
| 17:30.45 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:31.03 | dudeman | ahh i did not know that about etch and flash |
| 17:31.07 | dudeman | hmm |
| 17:31.14 | dudeman | on sid sorry for misinfo my bad |
| 17:31.27 | DexterF | i hope the free flash gets usable someday. adobe keeps p!ssing me off. |
| 17:31.39 | dudeman | oh |
| 17:31.50 | dudeman | its called 'flashplugin-nonfree' not flashplayer-nonfree |
| 17:31.50 | cjg_ | what do I need to install? |
| 17:31.53 | dudeman | oops |
| 17:32.08 | Leland_Palmer | dudeman, maybe I should go back to etch :/ oh well thanks sir |
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| 17:32.38 | dudeman | cjg_, just download the flashplayer tar.gz from adobe, untar, and then simply run the installer script in the dir its unpacked to or copy flashplayer.so and the .xpm files to ~/.mozilla/plugin |
| 17:32.49 | dudeman | Leland_Palmer, I dunno what to tell ya bro |
| 17:32.53 | dudeman | sorry |
| 17:33.01 | dudeman | not a nvidia guy anymore in 2 years and also not on testing |
| 17:33.04 | cjg_ | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:33.17 | dudeman | cjg_, like on the factoid it says, not in etch |
| 17:33.18 | dudeman | !bpo |
| 17:33.19 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 17:33.21 | dudeman | use backports |
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| 17:38.49 | logd | hi there's a way to fit debian4 r3 xfce on a 1gb pendrive? |
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| 17:39.01 | dudeman | no |
| 17:39.10 | dudeman | logd, yes there is |
| 17:39.24 | dudeman | logd, you can make the 1gb flash into installable debian with the xfce iso on it |
| 17:39.31 | dudeman | read the installation manaul |
| 17:39.39 | dudeman | its in chapter 5 I think |
| 17:39.40 | dudeman | !ig |
| 17:39.41 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 17:40.03 | logd | well i mean i instelled and it weight 2.1gb i'd like to shrink to 1 |
| 17:40.19 | dudeman | installed? on a 1gb flash, never done that before |
| 17:40.21 | dudeman | I have no idea |
| 17:40.27 | logd | oterwise i'll ned 4gb pendrive |
| 17:40.38 | dudeman | you mean like a debian live on flash disk? |
| 17:40.44 | dudeman | no clue |
| 17:40.58 | logd | well rather than a live it'll be a "standard" debian |
| 17:41.05 | maligor | compressed filesystem maybe? |
| 17:41.05 | logd | just fidded in smaller space |
| 17:41.26 | logd | i mean what takes so much space? |
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| 17:42.03 | logd | xp fits in 1.2gb ;) |
| 17:42.25 | JegAne | SeveredCross: xand ok thanks for the help |
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| 17:52.40 | ninjaslim | ok i've gotten CUPS to share properly but my MacBook PRo doesn't find the shared printer from the CUPS interface |
| 17:52.53 | ninjaslim | does Debian block connections or anything like that |
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| 17:53.22 | simonrvn | not by default no |
| 17:53.41 | simonrvn | check the logs; see if cupsd is running; |
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| 17:54.23 | tusho_ | Package virtualbox-ose-modules is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 17:54.26 | tusho_ | :\ |
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| 17:54.57 | ninjaslim | simonrvn: it definitely is because i can access the web interface on my Debian box from my MacBook Pro |
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| 17:55.17 | simonrvn | ok good. |
| 17:55.18 | dudeman | hey simon |
| 17:55.22 | dudeman | kwe kwe |
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| 17:55.31 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:55.44 | pingouin | hello simonrvn |
| 17:55.48 | dudeman | simonrvn, I haven't seen the new video you sent |
| 17:55.52 | dudeman | i just got a notice :) |
| 17:55.53 | ninjaslim | simonrvn: and i just restarted it |
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| 17:56.48 | simonrvn | i downloaded it, the preview anyway. the movie is like 2 hours, and probably man megs that i can't spare much of atm, heh |
| 17:56.54 | simonrvn | many* |
| 17:57.03 | dudeman | hehe its alright |
| 17:57.09 | dudeman | i'll check it when i get home |
| 17:57.18 | dudeman | im doing an onsite for a business on sunday |
| 17:57.21 | dudeman | er. today |
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| 17:57.37 | dudeman | CharminTheMoose, hi there |
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| 17:57.49 | CharminTheMoose | hi dudeman |
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| 18:00.03 | dudeman | CharminTheMoose, Nyle/stoned |
| 18:00.05 | dudeman | #music |
| 18:00.25 | dudeman | Count Grischnakh |
| 18:00.26 | dudeman | :) |
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| 18:00.42 | ninjaslim | i keep getting "Destination printer does not exist!" |
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| 18:01.29 | tusho_ | :\ |
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| 18:07.37 | DanglyBits | what do i add to sources.list to capture the sid or unstable repos? |
| 18:08.08 | helo_ | is there a way i can log what packages are installed by aptitude during a particular operation, so i can remove those packages later once i don't need them? |
| 18:08.41 | Bushmills | helo, is logged anyway. check in your /var/log |
| 18:08.46 | wols_ | helo_: aptitude is supposed to do that automatically |
| 18:08.56 | wols_ | and /var/log/dpkg.log shows all installed packages with timestamp |
| 18:09.08 | helo_ | woot :D |
| 18:09.20 | wols_ | but of course it empties all 7 days old logs |
| 18:09.49 | DanglyBits | what do i add to sources.list to enable the sid or unstable repos? |
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| 18:10.06 | Bushmills | DanglyBits: how come you don't know? |
| 18:10.17 | DanglyBits | debian noobie |
| 18:10.18 | centrx | DanglyBits, what are you trying to do |
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| 18:10.29 | centrx | DanglyBits, you should probably use testing instead of unstable then |
| 18:10.30 | wols_ | DanglyBits: then you shouldn't use sid, really |
| 18:10.30 | DanglyBits | cutting edge |
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| 18:10.51 | Bushmills | DanglyBits: didn't anyone tell you that dis is heavily discouraged for newbies? |
| 18:10.57 | Bushmills | that sid ... |
| 18:10.59 | DanglyBits | how old are packages in testing? |
| 18:11.07 | wols_ | DanglyBits: sid will break. and we will rarely help you to fix it if we see you aren't knowledgeable enough to run it |
| 18:11.17 | wols_ | DanglyBits: usually 14 days older than sids |
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| 18:11.37 | DanglyBits | ok then testing..is that lenny? |
| 18:11.42 | Bushmills | right |
| 18:12.08 | wols_ | !tell DanglyBits about etch->lenny |
| 18:12.12 | DanglyBits | is there a mozilla firefox 3 rc for lenny? |
| 18:12.15 | wols_ | DanglyBits: or you could use backports |
| 18:12.23 | wols_ | no thereisn't. there isn't one in sid either |
| 18:12.34 | DanglyBits | what do you use? |
| 18:12.40 | centrx | DanglyBits, that is not in unstable either |
| 18:12.42 | Bushmills | DanglyBits: ff3 is not even considered good enough for sid yet |
| 18:12.54 | centrx | DanglyBits, you can get it from experimental though with either testing or unstable |
| 18:12.59 | some43 | Is there a way to have two times the same os on a hdd w/out giving one of the two the possibility to modify the other one's partition? |
| 18:13.18 | centrx | some43, you could put one in a virtual machine |
| 18:13.19 | wols_ | some43: with encryption, yes |
| 18:13.19 | DanglyBits | how do i enable experimental |
| 18:13.28 | wols_ | !tell DanglyBits about experimental |
| 18:13.30 | dudeman | you don't. |
| 18:13.30 | Bushmills | some43: sure. don't mount the partition of the other |
| 18:13.41 | DanglyBits | got to love this |
| 18:14.09 | wols_ | Bushmills: each OS still can access the other then |
| 18:14.17 | some43 | exactly |
| 18:14.34 | wols_ | some43: with encrypted partitions they can't |
| 18:14.37 | some43 | i dont want any deletion or modification of the other partition to be possible |
| 18:14.48 | some43 | wols_ i understand |
| 18:14.49 | wols_ | but what Bushmills said is easier |
| 18:14.50 | DanglyBits | what do i need to do to build ff3 on debian lenny? |
| 18:15.01 | Bushmills | wols_: encryption also won't do .. root of one can delete the other partition. and deleting is a form of modification too |
| 18:15.05 | centrx | DanglyBits, do you mean build or install |
| 18:15.14 | wols_ | and you cannot prevent deletion unless you phyiscally move it to tow different disks and only plug one in at a time |
| 18:15.27 | DanglyBits | i thought there was no install for ff3...so i guess its build |
| 18:15.35 | wols_ | Bushmills: was just typing it :) |
| 18:15.36 | Bushmills | so, not mounting is just as good as encrypting the other |
| 18:15.38 | helo_ | what is the proper way to install a 3rd party module in etch? i need it in my initramfs etc |
| 18:15.45 | some43 | damn that's what feared, thx bushmills and wols |
| 18:15.49 | centrx | DanglyBits, there is, in experimental |
| 18:15.50 | blameless | DanglyBits: there is a build of iceweasel 3.0 in experimental. i haven't figured out the magic of installing it yet |
| 18:15.55 | Bushmills | some43: virtual machines |
| 18:15.57 | centrx | it is easy to install |
| 18:16.02 | centrx | some43, use virtual machine |
| 18:16.06 | DanglyBits | tell more |
| 18:16.26 | wols_ | blameless: we don't support experimental here |
| 18:16.27 | some43 | what i want to do is have a private and a business part of my computer so to say |
| 18:16.37 | centrx | DanglyBits, you can figure it out by searching on the Internet, after which you can come back with a more specific question; I am not going to hand-hold you for something where written information is already readily available elsewhere |
| 18:16.38 | dudeman | or sid for that matter |
| 18:16.39 | wols_ | some43: buy a 2nd hdd |
| 18:16.45 | some43 | into a laptop :) |
| 18:16.50 | wols_ | and mount it so you can easily change them |
| 18:16.50 | blameless | wols_: that's fine. i couldn't get anything to install from it anyway :) |
| 18:16.52 | dudeman | stable/testing are officially supported here |
| 18:16.57 | dudeman | unofficially officially |
| 18:16.58 | dudeman | w/e |
| 18:17.04 | centrx | some43, if you want the business part of be completely separate, use a virtual machine |
| 18:17.17 | centrx | some43, otherwise, you can just save your business files on a removable HD |
| 18:17.21 | dudeman | sid too but that depends on your question and who you are and how you ask it |
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| 18:17.43 | MoDaX | blameless: aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel |
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| 18:18.11 | some43 | centrx: which vms do you recommend then? Any good freeware? |
| 18:18.11 | Bushmills | if it's just for data files, usb sticks are userful |
| 18:18.13 | Bushmills | seful |
| 18:18.15 | Bushmills | grr |
| 18:18.23 | Trewas | DanglyBits: firefox is easy to "install" from .tar.gz they offer, just extract it somewhere (in your home directory for example) and start it from there |
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| 18:18.25 | centrx | some43, I am testing out VirtualBox as we speak, made by Sun |
| 18:18.29 | centrx | some43, there is also Xen |
| 18:18.38 | jelly-home | centrx: bought* by Sun |
| 18:18.48 | dudeman | but it can't import ff2 stuff |
| 18:18.50 | blameless | jelly-home: you beat me too it heh |
| 18:18.52 | cjg_ | why is firefox called iceweasle now? |
| 18:18.54 | dudeman | unless you use the xperimental ff3 pacakge |
| 18:19.00 | helo_ | are the modules listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules the only ones that will be included, or is there some minimum set it starts with, adding the explicitly listed modules as well? |
| 18:19.05 | wols_ | !tell cjg_ about why iceweasel |
| 18:19.05 | dudeman | !iceweasel |
| 18:19.07 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 18:19.12 | some43 | thx guys |
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| 18:21.37 | Cyan20 | guys is there a way to make debian run a script each time i log-in? |
| 18:21.55 | dudeman | yes there is |
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| 18:22.06 | wols_ | Cyan20: sevreal are already run everytime you log in |
| 18:22.31 | hoxu | Cyan20, log in to what? X? Console? SSH? |
| 18:22.35 | Cyan20 | i just wanna make a script that will execute "killall esd" each time i log into my acc :s |
| 18:22.48 | hoxu | Cyan20, using gnome? Disable it from the system settings (or whatever) |
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| 18:22.53 | wols_ | Cyan20: just use a better sound daemon |
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| 18:23.04 | dudeman | or don't use one |
| 18:23.05 | dudeman | ... |
| 18:23.07 | dudeman | !dmix |
| 18:23.07 | dpkg | i guess dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 18:23.07 | centrx | Cyan20, you might just want to disable esd so it doesn't start at all |
| 18:23.18 | dudeman | unless you use apps that need esd |
| 18:23.20 | dudeman | don't use it |
| 18:23.30 | cahoot | what better sounddaemon on debian? |
| 18:23.38 | dudeman | pulse |
| 18:23.44 | cahoot | in debian? |
| 18:23.52 | dudeman | sure i think pulseaudio is in |
| 18:24.01 | dudeman | there is jack |
| 18:24.04 | helo_ | to disable persistent naming of ethernet devices, i need to comment out z25_persistent-net.rules, z45_persistent-net-generator.rules, and ../persistent-net-generator.rules? (PWD=/etc/udev/rules.d) |
| 18:24.14 | helo_ | err... delete, not comment out |
| 18:24.17 | wols_ | pulseadio is not in etch |
| 18:24.48 | blameless | it is in lenny however i don't use it so can't comment on it really |
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| 18:25.27 | Cyan20 | if u mean this one http://packages.debian.org/etch/pulseaudio is on etch :o |
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| 18:26.06 | wols_ | who says debian stable only has old software? :) |
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| 18:28.14 | dudeman | you did! |
| 18:28.17 | dudeman | kinda sorta. |
| 18:28.56 | Eulex | wols_, eh? it is. |
| 18:29.02 | Eulex | !info pulseaudio etch |
| 18:29.27 | dpkg | pulseaudio: (PulseAudio sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-5etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 285 kB, Installed size: 1016 kB |
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| 18:31.07 | efaistos | does someone use compiz ? |
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| 18:31.42 | helo_ | through what mechanism are ethernet modules loaded on boot? |
| 18:31.54 | efaistos | since the last upgrade |
| 18:31.56 | efaistos | i dont have any window decoration |
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| 18:32.05 | Eulex | helo_, udev, I believe |
| 18:32.21 | wols_ | helo_: either initramfs or automatically after / is mounted by the kernel |
| 18:32.28 | helo_ | i just switched ethernet devices, and i'd prefer the new module to automatically be inserted as my old one was |
| 18:32.38 | wols_ | Eulex: the kernel loaded stuff automatically before udev |
| 18:32.46 | Eulex | ok |
| 18:32.50 | rphlx | if its not detected you could add it to /etc/modules |
| 18:32.57 | wols_ | helo_: it usually will. just that MAC and therefore interface names change |
| 18:33.02 | helo_ | i removed /etc/udev/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:33.18 | wols_ | helo_: you shouldn't. simply delete the old entry |
| 18:33.37 | dudeman | efaistos, go to the compoiz control center settings thing |
| 18:33.38 | helo_ | this image must work on other boards with different MAC addys (but same hardware) |
| 18:33.44 | dudeman | efaistos, make sure the window decorations plugin is loaded |
| 18:33.54 | helo_ | wols_: how can i get the module to be loaded by initramfs? |
| 18:33.55 | dudeman | efaistos, you will find much better help inside #compiz-confusion |
| 18:33.57 | dudeman | er.. |
| 18:34.04 | dudeman | efaistos, #compiz-fusion |
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| 18:34.12 | Eulex | confusion :D |
| 18:34.14 | dudeman | hehe |
| 18:34.20 | efaistos | dudeman: already loaded |
| 18:34.20 | dudeman | thas my little joke :) |
| 18:34.26 | helo_ | i already added it to initramfs-tools/modules and ran update-initramfs -u |
| 18:34.34 | efaistos | i'll try #compiz-fusion also |
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| 18:34.41 | dudeman | thats the best resource |
| 18:34.54 | dudeman | us debian professionals don't use frilly stuff muc |
| 18:34.56 | wols_ | helo_: dpkg-reconfigure the kernel. not update-initramfs |
| 18:35.03 | dudeman | much* |
| 18:35.16 | helo_ | i need this kernel/initramfs to be workable to pxe reimage, so i need the ethernet device to be available as early as possible |
| 18:35.34 | helo_ | wols_: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules said to run update-initramfs :( |
| 18:35.40 | peleg | do you think that a black screen (for the terminal) is better than white screen for the eyes? |
| 18:35.49 | dudeman | peleg, yes |
| 18:35.51 | dudeman | very much so |
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| 18:36.07 | centrx | helo_, use kernel-package |
| 18:36.13 | peleg | dudeman: interesting. are you saying this because of experience, or because you've read it somewhere? |
| 18:36.18 | dudeman | peleg, or if you have one of those thin little intensity reducing/glare reducing things, on a white bg it wont be bad fo rthe eyes as much |
| 18:36.26 | dudeman | peleg, my eye doctor told me |
| 18:36.33 | peleg | dudeman: thanks! |
| 18:36.36 | dudeman | sure |
| 18:36.38 | centrx | helo_, it will place a properly installable and uninstallable package for the Linux kernel in the Debian package management system |
| 18:36.59 | peleg | dudeman: I prefer the black anyway, I just wondered if its not bad |
| 18:37.02 | dudeman | peleg, its becasue of the intensity of the light hitting the eyes at such a close distance to the monitor |
| 18:37.07 | dudeman | black works better as its not much lighting |
| 18:37.09 | wols_ | !tell helo_ about kp |
| 18:37.12 | dudeman | white is too bright, at least for me |
| 18:37.32 | wols_ | helo_: read it. would be good to use for your situation and you could do totally away with any initrd |
| 18:37.38 | helo_ | can i just copy my atl2.ko (post-compiled module not included in source) into /lib/modules/whatever, and dpkg-reconfigure my kernel image? |
| 18:37.40 | wols_ | unless you use raid of course |
| 18:37.42 | trifler | you should have a yellow bg and green text or a blue bg with red text. |
| 18:37.49 | wols_ | helo_: no |
| 18:37.49 | dudeman | peleg, play with brightness/contrast till you get it right for your taste |
| 18:37.55 | troxor | is there any way to change the logging directory for preseed? There doesn't seem to be any mention of logging in the docs at d-i.alioth.debian.org |
| 18:38.08 | peleg | trifler: ?? |
| 18:38.20 | helo_ | ok, thanks |
| 18:39.08 | trifler | peleg: I was just being funny since colorblind ppl can't handle those combinations any good. But on a more serious note white bg isen't any good. |
| 18:39.38 | peleg | trifler: thanks! |
| 18:40.32 | helo_ | wols_: so kernel-package will allow me to build a .deb with my network device module available early in boot? |
| 18:40.54 | helo_ | it cannot be compiled into the kernel, afaik |
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| 18:41.26 | hoxu | hrm, what exactly do you gain by inode-size of 256 (mkfs.ext3)? The manual page is kind of confusing about it... |
| 18:41.30 | wols_ | helo_: just compile it into the kernel |
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| 18:42.10 | helo_ | it is not included in the latest 2.6.22 kernel that i have installed from backports, so i have to download its .tar.bz2 and compile it seperately... is there a way to compile in such modules? |
| 18:42.31 | trifler | hoxu: Just a question is that more or less option? i.e. is 256 allot? |
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| 18:43.27 | Eulex | helo_, atl2-modules-2.6.22-3-686: /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/extra/atl2/atl2.ko ? |
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| 18:43.58 | helo_ | Eulex: i don't understand what you are saying :) |
| 18:44.40 | helo_ | i don't think atl2-modules is in backports |
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| 18:44.58 | trifler | hoxu: As a layman I would say that a larger i-node would make use of more direct blocks which I guess would incresse the access speed. |
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| 18:45.50 | Eulex | helo_, it doesn't appear to be so, but there are both binaries and atl2-source in testing and unstable. backport the source package and build it. |
| 18:45.53 | wols_ | 3~but probably also decrease efficiency of utilization. wastes space |
| 18:46.02 | hark | helo_: use m-a and atl2-source |
| 18:46.09 | Eulex | right. |
| 18:46.24 | boggystudios | Does anyone here have a reccomendation for an alternative to ksysguard for monitoring activity on a remote machine, preferrably an gui aplication? |
| 18:46.28 | helo_ | i'm trying to compile atl2 into my kernel... m-a will do that? |
| 18:46.47 | Eulex | if you provide it the atl2-source package: yes |
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| 18:47.42 | jelly-home | boggystudios: how many remote machines? |
| 18:48.07 | boggystudios | jelly-home, right now just one |
| 18:48.25 | click170 | Does anyone know if the squid3 in the debian repos has been compiled with support for transparency? |
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| 18:49.29 | hoxu | trifler, the manual speaks about better performance, but then there's this: "can also negatively impact performance"... |
| 18:50.11 | hoxu | trifler, guess I'll go for the defaults |
| 18:50.18 | trifler | hoxu: I would guess that would have to do with the amount of allot of small files. |
| 18:50.52 | trifler | hoxu: Do that :) |
| 18:51.11 | helo_ | ok, i am following the instructions at http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Module-Assistant_-_using_upstream_tarballs |
| 18:51.22 | trifler | hoxu: and try to know until next time you conf your hdd. |
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| 18:52.56 | jelly-home | boggystudios: had you more, I'd say something like cacti or cricket |
| 18:54.13 | boggystudios | jelly-home: well I wouldn't have a problem with ksysguard except I can't get it to work, just doesn't want to connect and I can't seem to find anyone who knows anything about it. |
| 18:55.06 | dudeman | jelly-home, ever played cricket? |
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| 18:56.09 | jelly-home | dudeman: no, isn't it a bit unusual outside of the Commonwealth? |
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| 18:56.26 | jay12 | Etch netinstall stops at 40% (it's on "installing sed"), I dont have access to internet atm, could this be the reason? |
| 18:56.28 | dudeman | not really I don't think |
| 18:56.32 | helo_ | Eulex: after adding a deb-src line for sid, i can't find the atl2-source package |
| 18:56.46 | Eulex | helo_, that's right. |
| 18:57.04 | helo_ | (following dpkg's instructions for simple sid backport) |
| 18:57.04 | dudeman | Eulex, sid doesnt' have the source for the package? |
| 18:57.16 | dudeman | helo_, maybe wrong package name? |
| 18:57.38 | Eulex | dudeman, I suspect he was looking for the binary package. he won't find that. |
| 18:57.41 | Eulex | !tell helo_ about ssb |
| 18:57.52 | epoxy | is there anything similar to Awstats? |
| 18:57.56 | epoxy | that kicks ass, too ? |
| 18:58.07 | dudeman | search google for apache stat modules |
| 18:58.08 | dudeman | maybe... |
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| 18:58.21 | dudeman | awstats is by far the top imo |
| 18:58.46 | helo_ | Eulex: hmm... i don't understand dpkg/apt very well ;) |
| 18:58.47 | epoxy | looks to be ... just curious if there was anything else. |
| 18:59.02 | dudeman | epoxy, you're that adhesive aren't you ;) |
| 18:59.16 | dudeman | i remember in paksitan we had this tube of glue called epoxy |
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| 18:59.31 | epoxy | gasps |
| 18:59.33 | Eulex | helo_, most apt commands interface with binary packages. you added an apt source for source packages. |
| 18:59.49 | dudeman | Eulex, i think he is already tyring to backport something no? |
| 18:59.58 | Eulex | he is |
| 19:00.01 | dudeman | Eulex, he added a deb-src and now he needs the soruce package |
| 19:00.16 | dudeman | Eulex, im not sure why are you talking with him about binary pacaket |
| 19:00.25 | dudeman | scratches head |
| 19:00.26 | Eulex | which he will get automatically if he followed dpkg's instructions. |
| 19:00.35 | dudeman | nm, you handle it :) |
| 19:01.03 | Eulex | helo_, also, the name of a source package isn't necessarily the same as the binary package. |
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| 19:01.33 | dudeman | yeh thats what said to check too, maybe wrong package name |
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| 19:02.22 | Eulex | he doesn't need to know the source package name, though. apt-get will find out for him and fetch and build automatically |
| 19:02.23 | Eulex | !ssb |
| 19:02.24 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 19:02.48 | dudeman | Eulex, not always |
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| 19:03.11 | Eulex | example? |
| 19:03.17 | dudeman | Eulex, though I found that out myself by trying to get the source for xfce4-desktop and I think I got a totally diff source package that had ALL of xfce in it |
| 19:03.17 | dudeman | heh |
| 19:03.19 | Eulex | binary packages always have a source package. |
| 19:03.42 | Eulex | dudeman, right, but it contained xfdesktop. |
| 19:03.47 | dudeman | that is correct |
| 19:03.54 | Eulex | and it was the source package of xfdesktop |
| 19:04.01 | dudeman | yes, xfdesktop |
| 19:04.03 | Eulex | which didn't have its own |
| 19:04.07 | dudeman | i havnen't hacked xfce code in a while |
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| 19:04.26 | Eulex | you've been hacking on xfce? |
| 19:04.37 | dudeman | in fact I remember I was trying to patch it for a functinoality kde has but not xfce |
| 19:04.44 | dudeman | i did it, but never diff'd it to make a patch |
| 19:04.45 | dudeman | heh |
| 19:04.49 | helo_ | i have installed atl2-source, and i have my linux-source-2.6.22 installed as well... my goal is to recompile my kernel with atl2 built in, not as a module... is there something i need to do so that module-assistant will make it available to my 'make menuconfig' to build my .deb with kernel-package? |
| 19:04.51 | jelly-home | with an axe? |
| 19:04.51 | Eulex | ok |
| 19:05.06 | dudeman | basically on xfce4 you right click desktop and left click and you get popup menus |
| 19:05.07 | dudeman | right? |
| 19:05.20 | dudeman | well they are hardcoded, you can't change what happens on right lick or which menu is displayed |
| 19:05.32 | dudeman | towards the end of main.c in the soruce is the code for menu popup generation |
| 19:05.37 | dudeman | basically just hacked that to make it work like i wanted |
| 19:05.48 | dudeman | was gonna add a config dialog option too but got too lazy |
| 19:05.56 | Eulex | ok |
| 19:06.03 | dudeman | then i discovered kde and it did what i wanted to i forgot about xfce |
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| 19:06.20 | doublehp_ | I am setting up my new card; I got garbage on screen; someone can help ? the cursor is just an enormous black square, but screen confirms signal at 1280x1024@60. |
| 19:06.21 | Eulex | helo_, can't you put it in an initramfs? |
| 19:06.35 | mimcpher | I have Canada/Eastern in /etc/timezone, but "date" and various apps are using UTC time still --- Where else is timezone set? |
| 19:06.59 | dudeman | Eulex, you are using which wm/DE? |
| 19:07.01 | helo_ | Eulex: wols_ was telling me i should compile it in with kernel-package, because i am going to be pxe-booting off of this kernel to reimage |
| 19:07.10 | Eulex | dudeman, xfce |
| 19:07.17 | Eulex | helo_, ah. |
| 19:07.33 | dudeman | Eulex, ahh cool, do you look at the code at all? |
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| 19:08.04 | dudeman | its very clean |
| 19:08.21 | dudeman | not as well commented as kdebase but still, not bad |
| 19:08.31 | helo_ | i'm not sure how to compile in a module that doesn't come with the kernel, though |
| 19:08.33 | dudeman | its easy to figure out even without comments really |
| 19:09.01 | Eulex | dudeman, a little, but really haven't had that much time. I'm the main swedish translator if it. furthest I've come at hacking at it is submitting a patch to fix a crash in mousepad. |
| 19:09.09 | doublehp_ | helo_: download, untar, ./configure, make, make install ... as said in the readme |
| 19:09.10 | dudeman | ahh |
| 19:09.22 | dudeman | Eulex, well, thanks for doing whatever you did and are doing :) |
| 19:09.42 | helo_ | doublehp_: the module source doesn't have a ./configure, only a makefile |
| 19:09.43 | dudeman | Eulex, I'm the 'main' guy for Urdu translating the d-i |
| 19:09.48 | Eulex | dudeman, I've been thinkning of doing more, but haven't had time time |
| 19:09.50 | dudeman | actually im the only one left now |
| 19:09.55 | Eulex | oh |
| 19:10.00 | doublehp_ | helo_: then you saved one step |
| 19:10.03 | dudeman | there were two guys from pakistan that were helping |
| 19:10.05 | dudeman | but they disappeared |
| 19:10.20 | Eulex | doublehp_, he just explained why he doesn't need a module |
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| 19:10.48 | helo_ | doublehp_: i can see that the 'make' command doesn't install the module anywehre, and there is no 'install' target |
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| 19:10.56 | dudeman | Eulex, i know some of your language too :) |
| 19:10.58 | helo_ | let alone the source |
| 19:11.02 | temoto | Where do i want to configure routes for my eth0 interface? |
| 19:11.17 | dudeman | Eulex, har det met dig? (other than that, mostly only how to swear) |
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| 19:11.18 | dudeman | hehe |
| 19:11.22 | temoto | permanent routes |
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| 19:11.35 | doublehp_ | helo_: so ? |
| 19:12.03 | Eulex | helo_, sorry, I can't say that I'm sure how to do that. what I know is that sometimes a feature can only be compiled as a module. and sometimes it can also be compiled into the kernel, but it won't work as well as when using it as a module. |
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| 19:12.06 | helo_ | doublehp_: i need to compile the driver into my kernel, not as a standalone module |
| 19:12.26 | Eulex | dudeman, hehe, guess you mean "hur är det med dig?" = "how are you?" |
| 19:12.43 | dudeman | Eulex, that is correct |
| 19:12.44 | doublehp_ | helo_: compiling into kernel a source coming from outside is impossible if dev did not make it possible. |
| 19:12.50 | dudeman | Eulex, bara bra? |
| 19:12.52 | dudeman | bra tak? |
| 19:12.54 | dudeman | :D |
| 19:12.54 | doublehp_ | helo_: if mandatory, use initrd. |
| 19:12.56 | Eulex | haha :) |
| 19:12.57 | doublehp_ | helo_: gotta go. |
| 19:12.58 | dudeman | tak |
| 19:13.00 | dudeman | :D |
| 19:13.01 | helo_ | ty |
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| 19:13.12 | dudeman | Eulex, here is something nasty |
| 19:13.16 | helo_ | i hope compiling it as a module will still allow me to pxe-boot reimage... |
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| 19:13.24 | dudeman | Eulex, "Ga och knulla din morsa" |
| 19:13.34 | dudeman | my swedish metalhead friend taught me it |
| 19:13.41 | Eulex | dudeman, watch your language! :) |
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| 19:13.45 | dudeman | hehe, my bad |
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| 19:14.59 | dutchfish | hi, i want to know if there is already a LMS package in Debian for maneging iAMT 3.0? |
| 19:15.49 | Eulex | dudeman, anyway, I can't say that I know much about your language, though :/ |
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| 19:16.27 | helo_ | if i've installed atl2-source backport, how do i use the result to build a kernel comtaining that module with kernel-package? |
| 19:16.39 | Eulex | helo_, m-a a-i atl2 |
| 19:16.47 | dudeman | Eulex, kya (what/how) haal (your status/condition) hai (is/are/at) |
| 19:16.59 | dudeman | Eulex, kya haal hai == how are you (in Urdu) |
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| 19:17.10 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 19:17.16 | dudeman | Eulex, learn that for today, more later :) |
| 19:17.23 | Eulex | dudeman, ok, haha :) |
| 19:17.42 | dudeman | Eulex, you obviously know Salam? |
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| 19:17.50 | dudeman | salam u alaikum etc. |
| 19:18.01 | dudeman | peace be upon you etc. |
| 19:18.04 | ribnitz | I do have an USB headphone which has volume controls; the headphone works, the controls don't (Sid, 2.6.24, stock). |
| 19:18.10 | dutchfish | kump er toch |
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| 19:18.24 | dudeman | ribnitz, hmm |
| 19:18.34 | dudeman | ribnitz, those are/can't be controlled by the software |
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| 19:18.42 | dudeman | ribnitz, physical volume control on headphone not working |
| 19:18.50 | dudeman | if it works otherwise, on a diff system you're ok |
| 19:18.58 | dudeman | if not, then your headphones are bad in that regard |
| 19:19.00 | ribnitz | dudeman: it does in windows. |
| 19:19.03 | dudeman | hmm |
| 19:19.07 | dudeman | so thats out the way then |
| 19:19.12 | dudeman | what else could it be hmm |
| 19:19.14 | keila | how can i use find to search for mp3 AND jpg files? i can only figure out one or the other, not both :P |
| 19:19.29 | dudeman | usb speakers and linux i've never had much luck in |
| 19:19.39 | dudeman | man find |
| 19:19.41 | dudeman | :D |
| 19:20.02 | Eulex | dudeman, isn't that arabic? guess it's borrowed from it? or is urdu close to arabic? |
| 19:20.05 | keila | yeah, like i didnt try that first |
| 19:20.16 | dudeman | same script, 50% same language |
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| 19:20.21 | dudeman | about |
| 19:20.23 | ribnitz | keila: find is a beast. |
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| 19:20.48 | keila | ribnitz: that's why i'm confused :( |
| 19:20.59 | Eulex | keila, I suggest using locate |
| 19:21.09 | Eulex | dudeman, ok |
| 19:21.21 | ribnitz | keila: Locate uses a prevouisly generated index. |
| 19:21.30 | dudeman | man i could sooo use a joint today damn... |
| 19:21.37 | dudeman | grr... im gonna stay sober. |
| 19:21.39 | dudeman | fuck it. |
| 19:21.42 | jelly-home | !using find |
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| 19:22.36 | ribnitz | rectum: did you know the simple editor for x? |
| 19:22.42 | rectum | ahhhh someone stole my nick :( |
| 19:22.54 | dudeman | yes |
| 19:22.57 | dudeman | ribnitz, nvi |
| 19:22.58 | dudeman | i think |
| 19:23.03 | dudeman | something n something |
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| 19:23.11 | Eulex | isn't nvi console? |
| 19:23.12 | dudeman | x based very minimal x11 text editor |
| 19:23.15 | dudeman | Eulex, nah |
| 19:23.17 | Eulex | oh |
| 19:23.28 | dudeman | !info nvi |
| 19:23.36 | dudeman | nedit or nvi something |
| 19:23.37 | dudeman | I can't recall |
| 19:23.43 | Eulex | nedit probably |
| 19:23.48 | Eulex | as nvi is a vi clone |
| 19:23.51 | dpkg | nvi: (4.4BSD re-implementation of vi), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.79-26 (sid), Packaged size: 280 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 19:23.52 | jelly-home | keila: http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 19:24.09 | Eulex | re-implementation? *sigh* |
| 19:24.20 | ribnitz | !sex |
| 19:24.20 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 19:24.23 | Eulex | may I guess; theye didn't like the gpl? |
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| 19:24.44 | Eulex | dpkg: using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 19:24.44 | dpkg | Eulex: okay |
| 19:24.48 | dudeman | its bsd |
| 19:24.56 | dudeman | they don't like nothing *linux* |
| 19:24.58 | dudeman | :/ |
| 19:25.15 | ribnitz | Eulex: Reinwenting wheels is popular. |
| 19:25.22 | Eulex | unfortunately |
| 19:25.29 | keila | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 19:26.06 | jelly-home | !factinfo using find |
| 19:26.06 | dpkg | using find -- created by Eulex <n=alex@81-237-247-113-no120.tbcn.telia.com> 1m 22s ago; it has been requested once, last by jelly-home, 21s ago. |
| 19:26.11 | jelly-home | heh |
| 19:26.28 | wols_ | vi is not in any way shape or form linux affiliated |
| 19:26.39 | wols_ | vi is a very old editor and existed back when under att unix |
| 19:26.47 | dudeman | like i said |
| 19:27.09 | wols_ | and of course they had to rewrite it: they got sued for stuff taken from att unix! |
| 19:27.14 | helo_ | wols_: i cannot figure out how to compile this atl2 module into my kernel, only as a module :/ |
| 19:27.17 | poseidon | How can I check if my graphics driver is working correctly and that I will be able to get direct rendering? |
| 19:27.19 | Eulex | ah |
| 19:27.30 | wols_ | then I guess you need a initrd |
| 19:27.30 | dudeman | glxinfo|grep direct |
| 19:27.33 | ribnitz | wols_: vim is the killer editor. I dont know anyone who still uses a vi that is not vim. |
| 19:27.35 | poseidon | (I don't want to start making my game, then realize why it's going really slow) |
| 19:27.36 | defrysk | poseidon, glxinfo | grep direct |
| 19:27.37 | dutchfish | poseidon, glxinfo |
| 19:27.53 | wols_ | ribnitz: debian. if you install the most basic debian there is no vim |
| 19:28.07 | ribnitz | wols_: there is nano. |
| 19:28.10 | jelly-home | ribnitz: anyone editing stuff on a default installation of a commercial unix, probably |
| 19:28.21 | poseidon | glxinfo returns not a valid command (i tried). What package does it come with? |
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| 19:28.28 | dutchfish | mcedit if you like those nice colors |
| 19:28.32 | defrysk | mesatools or something |
| 19:28.36 | Eulex | !find glxinfo etch |
| 19:28.44 | poseidon | O, you have to have mesa-utils installed |
| 19:28.51 | BubbaT | emacs |
| 19:28.52 | helo_ | wols_: is using kernel-package superflous then? |
| 19:28.55 | defrysk | poseidon, yes |
| 19:29.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glxinfo' (3): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/share/mesademos/progs/xdemos/glxinfo.c) in graphics/mesademos ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtkglext1-dev/examples/glxinfo.c.gz) in libdevel/libgtkglext1-dev. |
| 19:29.31 | ribnitz | BubbaT: thats the other. Which isn really simpler, smaller or anything. |
| 19:29.39 | wols_ | poseidon: did you manage to get the thing installed? |
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| 19:30.34 | dutchfish | i want to know if there is already a LMS package in Debian for maneging iAMT 3.0? |
| 19:30.37 | poseidon | wols_, I upgraded to testing/unstable mix, and used m-a to build and install it |
| 19:30.48 | helo_ | i'm assuming kernel-package was needed to build a kernel with the module built-in... |
| 19:31.12 | poseidon | wols_, however, mesa-utils is returning an error |
| 19:31.27 | dvs | helo_: kernel-package is needed to build a kernel from the kernel.org source |
| 19:31.33 | mimcpher | I have this bizarre behavior that happens to me once in a while. I'm not sure what causes it, but once in a while my keyboard doesn't work properly. I have to hold down a key for a second, and then it generates two keypresses. |
| 19:33.04 | helo_ | dvs: i'm building a 3rd party module, that i need to put in my initrd so it will be available early |
| 19:33.23 | poseidon | wols_, I think I have to manually change it so that it boots up the nvidia driver, however. I have noticed that it's not in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, where would it be then? |
| 19:33.25 | dvs | helo_: Then all you need is module-assistant and the kernel-headers packages |
| 19:33.36 | dvs | helo_: Unless you're using a custom kernel |
| 19:33.36 | BubbaT | Does anyone know why my computer keeps trying to connect to 224.0.0.251? |
| 19:33.40 | helo_ | nope |
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| 19:34.15 | ribnitz | BubbaT: thats a multicast addy. |
| 19:34.26 | ribnitz | I think. |
| 19:34.26 | helo_ | after using module-assistant to auto-install the module, i'm done? |
| 19:34.49 | dvs | helo_: that will make a module but it won't put it in your initrd |
| 19:35.17 | cusco_ | hello |
| 19:35.23 | BubbaT | ribnitz, so why is it trying to connect? |
| 19:35.26 | helo_ | i edit initramfs-tools/modules, then dpkg-reconfigure my kernel to get it in my initrd? |
| 19:35.38 | poseidon | "grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf" only shows 'kdb' and 'mouse' |
| 19:35.53 | dvs | helo_: I've never used an initrd. |
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| 19:36.04 | ProNoob | zomg, where is checkinstall in my etch ?!! |
| 19:36.17 | cusco_ | as a normal user I am getting those perl warning mensages about locales like "LC_ALL = (unset)" |
| 19:36.31 | cusco_ | can I as a normal user fix that somehow? |
| 19:36.37 | Eulex | ProNoob, not there |
| 19:36.41 | Eulex | cusco_, set a locale |
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| 19:37.00 | cusco_ | Eulex: how? I tried export LC_ALL=enGB |
| 19:37.05 | cusco_ | but I still get the errors |
| 19:37.11 | Eulex | that's not a correct locale |
| 19:37.18 | dudeman | en_GB? |
| 19:37.20 | dudeman | whats GB? |
| 19:37.25 | Eulex | great britain |
| 19:37.26 | cusco_ | great britain |
| 19:37.27 | cusco_ | lol |
| 19:37.28 | dudeman | ahh |
| 19:37.31 | dudeman | doh |
| 19:37.35 | dudeman | i figured it woulde like UK |
| 19:37.44 | dudeman | so british english is diff from UK english? |
| 19:37.45 | ProNoob | Eulex, why ? |
| 19:37.47 | cusco_ | Eulex: what would be a correct locale |
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| 19:37.54 | Eulex | cusco_, you should find out what locales are generated on that system, though. |
| 19:38.00 | cusco_ | how? |
| 19:38.07 | Eulex | cusco_, en_GB is a valid one, but it will only work if it's generated on the system |
| 19:38.15 | dudeman | Eulex, he used enGB |
| 19:38.19 | cusco_ | yes I think the system has none |
| 19:38.20 | dudeman | not en_GB like i said |
| 19:38.25 | Eulex | check /etc/locale.gen |
| 19:38.27 | cusco_ | no I did not dudeman |
| 19:38.30 | dudeman | oh |
| 19:38.34 | dudeman | typo then |
| 19:38.37 | Eulex | cusco_, if it has none, try C |
| 19:38.38 | cusco_ | no such file |
| 19:39.03 | cusco_ | cannot set |
| 19:39.20 | cusco_ | http://rafb.net/p/fGmdLD12.html |
| 19:39.22 | dudeman | aptitude install locales |
| 19:39.28 | dudeman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:39.32 | cusco_ | can't not admin |
| 19:39.34 | dudeman | pick the ones you want and generate em |
| 19:39.35 | dutchfish | cusco_, if you are sudoer why not: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:39.36 | dudeman | oohhhhh |
| 19:39.42 | dudeman | cusco_, that will be tough |
| 19:39.46 | Eulex | cusco_, try export LANG=C |
| 19:39.57 | cusco_ | Eulex: LANG is already C |
| 19:40.01 | Eulex | oh |
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| 19:40.09 | Eulex | and you're still getting errors? |
| 19:40.19 | cusco_ | beg your padon |
| 19:40.23 | cusco_ | it was en_GB |
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| 19:40.33 | cusco_ | ok |
| 19:40.34 | cusco_ | done |
| 19:40.36 | cusco_ | looks good |
| 19:40.44 | dudeman | ohhhh the pothead speaks the truth! |
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| 19:40.45 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:40.46 | cusco_ | perl doesn-t moan anymore |
| 19:40.58 | cusco_ | I guess I will set that export in .bashrc |
| 19:40.59 | dudeman | cusco_, congrats i get those sometimes on fresh installs |
| 19:41.00 | helo_ | does m-a a-i module install that module in /lib/modules/whatever? |
| 19:41.03 | cusco_ | until I can get hold of admin |
| 19:41.09 | amphi | Nyle: pon |
| 19:41.15 | cusco_ | dudeman: yea I just reconfigure locales :) |
| 19:41.19 | cusco_ | im not root tho |
| 19:41.22 | cusco_ | thanks Eulex |
| 19:41.23 | dudeman | amphi, damn dude that was like earlier this MORNING |
| 19:41.24 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:41.28 | dudeman | i |
| 19:41.29 | dudeman | hi |
| 19:41.46 | amphi | dudeman: I'm a little lagged... |
| 19:41.52 | Eulex | cusco_, yw |
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| 19:42.09 | dudeman | amphi, you are on intel gfx righit? |
| 19:42.32 | wols_ | ProNoob: there it would be but xorg uses a new config system since lenny which is shit (imho) |
| 19:42.37 | wols_ | the old one still works tho |
| 19:42.40 | amphi | dudeman: righit |
| 19:42.44 | wols_ | also: load the nvidia module in /etc/modules |
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| 19:43.18 | Eulex | ProNoob, sorry, no idea |
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| 19:43.37 | mooper | can I have multiple keys for the account with ssh |
| 19:43.50 | dudeman | amphi, trying to get compiz to be stable on radeonhd |
| 19:43.51 | dudeman | from GIT |
| 19:43.58 | dudeman | it works, but its horribly unstable atm |
| 19:44.27 | amphi | dudeman: I know nothing of radeonhd |
| 19:44.28 | mooper | for instance I have 5 clients all connecting to the same backup server, do all the keys on all the clients have to be the same or can I have multiple keys on the server? |
| 19:44.40 | dudeman | amphi, I am aware |
| 19:44.47 | dudeman | damn intel user, you |
| 19:44.48 | Eulex | mooper, you can have several public keys, yes |
| 19:44.50 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:45.02 | dutchfish | dudeman, did you also recompile mesa from the git along? |
| 19:45.03 | amphi | dudeman: compiz from git itself is quite stable here, I've not had it crash |
| 19:45.41 | dudeman | amphi, driver not compiz |
| 19:45.51 | dudeman | the sid driver doesnt' even do 2d for radeonhd |
| 19:45.51 | dutchfish | dudeman, i succeeded in a stable one after also taking xorg form the git |
| 19:45.56 | mooper | Eulex so I can just append all the public keys for all the users wishing to connect to the ssh server |
| 19:46.00 | dudeman | dutchfish, ohhh really |
| 19:46.01 | mooper | into a single file |
| 19:46.05 | dudeman | only build the driver ifrom GIT |
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| 19:46.13 | dudeman | dutchfish, which card? |
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| 19:46.21 | DVMouse | Hi, how can I create a new user and lock him up to a folder? I mean that he cannot browse anything else than his own folder? |
| 19:46.22 | dudeman | dutchfish, think i should use mesa from git too |
| 19:46.45 | Eulex | mooper, I would really recommend that you create one user for every actual user... |
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| 19:46.51 | dutchfish | dudeman, that is if you are talking about xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd on 2.6.25-5 amd64 |
| 19:47.08 | dudeman | dutchfish, that is correct *32bit here for now* |
| 19:47.21 | dudeman | latest sid kernel is unstable on a 3.5ghz amd64 |
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| 19:47.27 | dudeman | its stable on 1.8ghz |
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| 19:47.35 | dudeman | but i want 3.5 so for that i am using 32bit am |
| 19:47.36 | dudeman | atm |
| 19:47.48 | dutchfish | dudeman, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3ADRI |
| 19:47.53 | dudeman | thanks dude |
| 19:47.56 | dudeman | you da man |
| 19:47.59 | dudeman | er.. you da fish. |
| 19:48.00 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:48.35 | DVMouse | or is it even possible restrict a system users rights to only one folder? |
| 19:49.42 | mquin | DVMouse: yes, but to do it really reliably you need to use something that can do context separation such as linux-vserver or openvz |
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| 19:50.27 | dutchfish | dudeman, and this: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/git |
| 19:50.30 | benjamindees | where should I report issues with etchnhalf? |
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| 19:50.47 | dudeman | benjamindees, here |
| 19:50.51 | dudeman | if need be, file a but |
| 19:50.52 | dudeman | bug |
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| 19:52.31 | dvs | files his butt |
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| 19:53.24 | Eulex | dvs, does that involve a flat-bed scanner? :S |
| 19:53.25 | dudeman | oh |
| 19:53.27 | dudeman | sick. |
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| 19:53.39 | dudeman | filing a butt |
| 19:53.44 | dudeman | thats gotta hurt |
| 19:53.46 | dvs | Eulex: no, it involves a flat-bed truck ;-) |
| 19:53.50 | dudeman | I mean i cringe when I file my nails |
| 19:53.56 | dudeman | but damn, filing a butt |
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| 19:54.01 | dudeman | thats just kinky. |
| 19:54.01 | Eulex | :) |
| 19:54.02 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:54.08 | Eulex | anyway, good night |
| 19:54.11 | dudeman | night |
| 19:54.20 | dvs | bye |
| 19:54.35 | dudeman | dvs is a tool ;) |
| 19:54.42 | dudeman | what do you expect, hes devious! |
| 19:54.47 | dvs | heh |
| 19:54.53 | dvs | darn right |
| 19:54.59 | dudeman | darn? |
| 19:55.03 | dudeman | what are you 12? |
| 19:55.04 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:55.04 | dutchfish | i want to know if there is already a LMS package in Debian for managing iAMT 3.0? |
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| 19:55.21 | jelly-home | a what for what now? |
| 19:55.29 | dudeman | hahaha jelly |
| 19:55.38 | dvs | dudeman: sheesh. you have to *triple* that |
| 19:55.40 | dudeman | lms for iamt 3 |
| 19:55.50 | jelly-home | ah, right. |
| 19:55.52 | dudeman | dvs, damn, you're older than me? |
| 19:55.57 | dudeman | i didn't know that |
| 19:56.06 | dutchfish | jelly-home, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=193428 |
| 19:56.08 | dudeman | I thought you were like 20 something |
| 19:56.11 | dvs | dudeman: no surpise here. |
| 19:56.25 | xand | I always think everyone on IRC is < 30 |
| 19:56.26 | dudeman | dvs, no surprise, how come? |
| 19:56.33 | xand | usually about 18 :P |
| 19:56.33 | dvs | dudeman: I look 20 something though (that's what everyone tells me) |
| 19:56.34 | dudeman | dvs, you do know this is 'stoned'? |
| 19:56.51 | jelly-home | xand: except the people that started with irc in like 1994 |
| 19:56.56 | dutchfish | ducks about his >50 |
| 19:56.58 | dvs | dudeman: IMPOSTER! |
| 19:57.14 | dudeman | heh |
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| 19:57.41 | xand | jelly-home: I could have done that! |
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| 19:57.45 | xand | oh wait, I'm old :( |
| 19:58.00 | dudeman | jelly, I did before 94 |
| 19:58.08 | dudeman | 94 is when net was made public/commercial |
| 19:58.14 | dudeman | I been o irc since 1992 |
| 19:58.15 | dudeman | or so |
| 19:58.15 | dutchfish | jelly-home, irc was born as far as i know around ~82 |
| 19:58.16 | jelly-home | dutchfish: there are 40-ish guys in #rhel |
| 19:58.25 | dudeman | 91 actually |
| 19:58.26 | dudeman | iirc |
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| 19:58.42 | jelly-home | and gals too |
| 19:58.57 | defrysk | RC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen in late August 1988 to replace a program called MUT |
| 19:59.05 | defrysk | IRC that is |
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| 19:59.31 | AwesomeGuy | !qwertyuiop |
| 19:59.31 | dpkg | qwertyuiop is, like, at http://www.wowomg.com |
| 19:59.31 | jelly-home | sounds like wikipedia... do not trust |
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| 19:59.45 | defrysk | jelly, its wikipedia must be a lie |
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| 20:00.01 | simonrvn | !factinfo qwertyuiop |
| 20:00.01 | dpkg | qwertyuiop -- created by AwesomeGuy <n=0@cpe-98-15-224-100.hvc.res.rr.com> 1m 4s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by AwesomeGuy, 30s ago. |
| 20:00.08 | simonrvn | !forget qwertyuiop |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | i forgot qwertyuiop, simonrvn |
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| 20:00.32 | dutchfish | i am sure at 1984 i was chatting through my first irc session, but not internet as it is today |
| 20:00.34 | simonrvn | using the bot to spam |
| 20:00.45 | jelly-home | simonrvn: sounds like a troll more than a spammer |
| 20:00.52 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i'd add an ignore to dpkg for AwesomeGuy |
| 20:01.00 | poseidon | Was /etc/X11/xorg.conf changed from etch to lenny? |
| 20:01.04 | simonrvn | does the same for his bots |
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| 20:02.02 | defrysk | dutchfish, check http://www.irc.org/history.html and your calender |
| 20:02.06 | [Elvis] | guys, I'm in need of some help....getting the following message : http://rafb.net/p/Zcl2ic34.html |
| 20:02.38 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i'm right, it is spam |
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| 20:03.56 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: add an /etc/hosts.allow line for mountd. use numeric ips. |
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| 20:04.26 | dutchfish | defrysk, check you facts: it was actually 1983 (i was 1 year off, sorry): http://web.archive.org/web/20010723120911/http://www.franklinfurnace.org/flow/PLANETandEIES/PLANETcontents.html |
| 20:04.48 | uffo | hello, i downloaded debiann livecd debian-live-sid-i386-gnome-desktop.iso, how i can launch full gnome desktop like ubuntu. startx brings only grey minidesktop |
| 20:04.55 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: you might also need portmap: and statd: lines |
| 20:05.29 | [Elvis] | is that for nfs jeef ? |
| 20:05.38 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: yes |
| 20:05.46 | [Elvis] | jelly-home hmm |
| 20:05.54 | [Elvis] | just like 192.168.1.36 in there? |
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| 20:06.34 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: if you only want to allow that ip, yes |
| 20:06.35 | kantor | how can I create a channel here an freenode ? |
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| 20:06.59 | defrysk | dutchfish, i lost you somewhere |
| 20:07.09 | jelly-home | kantor: ask #freenode, probably |
| 20:07.17 | kantor | ok thanks |
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| 20:07.52 | doublehp_ | how do i install and enable xrandr ? |
| 20:07.53 | ianbentley | ping |
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| 20:09.07 | BubbaT | Is 209 a good interrupt? |
| 20:09.17 | jelly-home | BubbaT: what? |
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| 20:10.09 | dudeman | !xrandr |
| 20:10.09 | dpkg | well, xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 20:10.21 | dudeman | well, thats not much help |
| 20:10.21 | ianbentley | when booting I get a line: "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated... intel_rng: FHW not detected" Anyone got a fix? |
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| 20:10.49 | jelly-home | ianbentley: the intel_rng one is harmless. Does it hang there? |
| 20:10.50 | Ashex | anyone know where I can find instructions on rolling a dummy .deb package? |
| 20:11.04 | jelly-home | Ashex: dummy? |
| 20:11.09 | ianbentley | jelly-home, I'd like to speed up the boot by fixing it if possible |
| 20:11.13 | Ashex | I have to install a crapload of dependencies, and it would be nice to create a package that marks them as reqs |
| 20:11.28 | BubbaT | Is 209 a good value for an interupt? |
| 20:11.31 | dutchfish | defrysk, planet was the first irc network through arpanet |
| 20:11.39 | jelly-home | Ashex: you could start with equivs |
| 20:11.50 | dutchfish | defrysk, nvm |
| 20:11.58 | jelly-home | !equiva |
| 20:11.59 | jelly-home | !equivs |
| 20:11.59 | dpkg | hmm... equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 20:12.16 | Ashex | ah |
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| 20:12.20 | OVM | hi |
| 20:12.23 | Ashex | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:12.24 | OVM | how can i use apt-spy ? |
| 20:12.49 | ryty_ | I have a most annoying problem. M Xorg server only runs properly after a reboot. It never comes up on first boot correctly. I tried doing a diff on lsmod from when it isn't working to when it is....no difference. Any ideas? |
| 20:13.14 | [Elvis] | what executable to recycle |
| 20:13.18 | [Elvis] | for exports changed to take effect? |
| 20:13.37 | ryty_ | I'm using the nvidia driver btw |
| 20:13.37 | ianbentley | jelly-home: any fix for my intel_rng hang at boot? |
| 20:13.39 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload |
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| 20:13.51 | ryty_ | (I posted the same question in #nvidia) |
| 20:13.55 | jelly-home | ianbentley: no. Like I said, that particular message is harmless |
| 20:14.01 | OVM | apt-spy -a europe update ? |
| 20:14.07 | dutchfish | ryty_, could you pastebin cat /proc/mtrr |
| 20:14.13 | ianbentley | jelly-home: any way to stop if from hanging therer? |
| 20:14.16 | ryty_ | dutchfish: sure, one sec |
| 20:14.17 | jelly-home | ianbentley: how long does it take? |
| 20:14.18 | ianbentley | there* |
| 20:14.33 | ryty_ | dutchfish: oh, from when it is, or isn't working? |
| 20:14.34 | ianbentley | jelly-home, ~5 seconds |
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| 20:14.52 | dutchfish | ryty_, both if possible |
| 20:15.02 | jelly-home | ianbentley: that sounds normal, then. |
| 20:15.08 | [Elvis] | damniet |
| 20:15.13 | [Elvis] | I keep getting access denied |
| 20:15.18 | [Elvis] | when trying to mount a nfs share |
| 20:15.28 | jelly-home | !tell [Elvis] -about enter |
| 20:15.28 | ianbentley | jelly-home: damn, I was hoping to same some time from that. |
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| 20:15.57 | uffo | debian-live irc chatroom is quiet and all sleeping so i ask here: i downloaded debian livecd debian-live-sid-i386-gnome-desktop.iso, how i can launch full gnome desktop like ubuntu. startx brings only grey minidesktop with some menu when i press mouse |
| 20:16.07 | jelly-home | ianbentley: "populating udev" means that the scripts try to load every possible driver needed during that time |
| 20:16.38 | OVM | who cans say me how to update my sources.list with apt-spy ? |
| 20:16.39 | ryty_ | dutchfish: I'm going to have to shutdown and start up the computer a couple times to get that for you. I'll be back |
| 20:16.48 | dutchfish | ryty_, ok |
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| 20:18.25 | ryty_ | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1042279 from when it is working. I'll be back soon |
| 20:18.28 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: pastebin your /etc/exports and hosts.allow. Also, try restarting portmap |
| 20:18.32 | defrysk | uffo, checked http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ ? |
| 20:18.53 | poseidon | glxinfo gives me the following response Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:19.18 | cmanns | Anyone can help with debian install? |
| 20:19.32 | poseidon | cmanns, what do you need |
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| 20:20.13 | defrysk | poseidon, and as root ? |
| 20:20.28 | poseidon | defrysk, yes, I had root access |
| 20:20.33 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: failing everything else, you can stop all the relevant init scripts, in order: nfs-kernel-server, nfs-common, portmap, then start them again in reverse order |
| 20:21.02 | poseidon | defrysk, (I'm using lenny btw). |
| 20:21.12 | defrysk | poseidon, maybe you have to add yourself to video in /etc/group ? |
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| 20:22.15 | poseidon | defrysk, I already am |
| 20:22.18 | [Elvis] | jelly-home http://rafb.net/p/pnx4tI39.html |
| 20:22.31 | defrysk | poseidon, then I am clueless |
| 20:22.51 | [Elvis] | jelly-home http://rafb.net/p/HfXbFN80.html |
| 20:22.53 | defrysk | uses sid btw |
| 20:23.06 | cmanns | I don't got any media to boot from |
| 20:23.08 | Dickinson | hello everyone. I'm new to Debian and have a question. I installed version 4.0r2. How can i upgrade to current 4.0r3?? |
| 20:23.09 | cmanns | How can I install? |
| 20:23.34 | defrysk | Dickinson, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.15 | Dickinson | defrysk: thanks, and the same for next 5.0 release or no? |
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| 20:24.27 | poseidon | cmanns, you don't have a floppy disk or a cd/dvd drive? |
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| 20:25.11 | defrysk | Dickinson, there will be info on howto upgrade to lenny as soon as it is stable |
| 20:25.47 | ryty_ | dutchfish: and from when it's not working: http://pastebin.ca/1042289 |
| 20:25.55 | [Elvis] | is there anyone here who knows something about nfs ? |
| 20:25.57 | defrysk | Dickinson, probably here in the topic |
| 20:26.04 | defrysk | even |
| 20:26.06 | ryty_ | [Elvis]: a little, not too much |
| 20:26.19 | Dickinson | defrysk: ok, just wanted to know how it works. Confused a bit with what considered lenny and how lenny becomes stable |
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| 20:26.56 | dutchfish | ryty_, mm... i expected a few lines more, what video card and what kernel? |
| 20:27.01 | defrysk | Dickinson, it will be announced including a howto upgrade in detail |
| 20:27.02 | jelly-home | [Jasper]: can you mount any of the two from a live system? |
| 20:27.25 | Dickinson | defrysk: ok, i understood, thanks |
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| 20:28.09 | ryty_ | dutchfish: Geforce 7800 GSOC, 2.6.25 kernel |
| 20:28.20 | ryty_ | using the nvidia kernel module and driver |
| 20:28.26 | dutchfish | ryty_, uname -a? |
| 20:28.41 | ryty_ | Linux Alexia 2.6.25 #2 PREEMPT Tue Jun 3 20:21:41 PDT 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:28.47 | poseidon | Why would glxinfo return Error: unable to open display :0.0 |
| 20:28.57 | AlteKiet | Hi all. ntop prints an error message in syslog: packet truncated. How can I investigate where the packets get truncated and what causes it?? |
| 20:29.19 | AlteKiet | ntop[13859]: **WARNING** packet truncated (11734->8232) |
| 20:29.25 | dutchfish | ryty_, i had at least a simlar issue myself wich was solved in 2.6.25-4 and later |
| 20:29.42 | dutchfish | ryty_, at 2.6.25-5 atm |
| 20:30.07 | ryty_ | dutchfish: oh? I can try upgrading. That shouldn't be a problem |
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| 20:30.26 | ryty_ | this issue has been driving me nuts |
| 20:30.46 | dutchfish | ryty_, you did check already /var/log/Xorg.0.log i assume |
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| 20:30.55 | dutchfish | ryty_, check the log i meant |
| 20:30.55 | jelly-home | poseidon: your DISPLAY variable isn't set. |
| 20:31.06 | ryty_ | dutchfish: yah, it said it couldn't load the nvidia module |
| 20:31.15 | poseidon | jelly-home, how do I set it? |
| 20:31.18 | ryty_ | but then it works on the reboot |
| 20:31.51 | dutchfish | ryty_, my best bet is the kernel issues that where in 2.6.25-2 |
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| 20:32.02 | ryty_ | okay, I'll upgrade |
| 20:32.07 | jelly-home | poseidon: it's usually done automatically by X session scripts. Have you su-ed to another user? Is it a remote machine? |
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| 20:33.08 | dutchfish | ryty_, there should be a line stating the memmory of your card in /proc/mtrr |
| 20:33.27 | ryty_ | hmm okay |
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| 20:33.34 | ryty_ | I'll keep that in mind |
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| 20:34.28 | dutchfish | ryty_, check for errors also in syslog regarding mtrr |
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| 20:35.44 | dutchfish | ryty_, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110666 there are more simular to find on the net |
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| 20:35.47 | Ashex | I keep getting this error when running equivs-build: http://pastebin.ca/1042303 |
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| 20:37.32 | cmanns | poseidon, nope |
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| 20:38.59 | jelly-home | [Jasper]: your hosts.allow is invalid, btw |
| 20:39.25 | jelly-home | [Jasper]: "mountd: 192.168.1.36" |
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| 20:41.31 | poseidon | jelly-home, I'm the only (non root) user, and I'm using su to gain root access |
| 20:42.10 | poseidon | and it's not a remote machine. |
| 20:42.12 | jelly-home | poseidon: why do you want to run glx* as root? |
| 20:42.21 | ProNoob | uhm, can anyone test and then possibly file a bug report ? (ant does not work when installed before sun-java5-jdk) |
| 20:42.50 | jelly-home | ProNoob: you can file a bug report too! |
| 20:43.03 | poseidon | jelly-home, lol, thats was the problem :) All is working fine now. |
| 20:43.08 | ProNoob | jelly-home, but i won't |
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| 20:43.31 | jelly-home | ProNoob: it won't get fixed, then |
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| 20:44.41 | jelly-home | !tell ProNoob about reportbug |
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| 20:46.14 | Nyle | yo |
| 20:46.20 | dutchfish | ya |
| 20:46.22 | Nyle | dudeman, I forgot to quit irc at the clients |
| 20:46.25 | Nyle | eep |
| 20:46.41 | Nyle | i can ghost you! but what about irc, that will still remain open |
| 20:46.41 | Nyle | :( |
| 20:46.55 | Nyle | argh. |
| 20:47.13 | ryty_ | Nyle: kick and recover your nick |
| 20:47.32 | Nyle | im mostly Nyle, I use other nicks when I am not at home |
| 20:47.34 | Nyle | :) |
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| 20:48.42 | jelly-home | stoned/Nyle/dudeman has personalities-to-go... and they're all the same! |
| 20:48.42 | Nyle | hehehe thas right my man |
| 20:48.42 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:49.00 | dokma | hey guys. I just installed debian netinstall on my new sataII 160GB barracuda but can't get it to boot. I've set boot device in bios to serial ata but no go. |
| 20:49.29 | Nyle | whats the error dokma |
| 20:49.36 | dokma | system disk failure |
| 20:49.39 | Nyle | no system disk or operating system found |
| 20:49.40 | dokma | or something like that |
| 20:49.44 | dokma | yeah that one |
| 20:49.44 | Nyle | Oktane, check in bios again |
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| 20:49.58 | Nyle | you may be have to set a boot priority if you have more than one hdd |
| 20:50.04 | Nyle | boot order* |
| 20:50.12 | dokma | I do have two of them |
| 20:50.15 | dokma | identical |
| 20:50.22 | Nyle | make sure you put the correct disk to boot fromfirst in bios |
| 20:50.32 | dokma | never heard of that one |
| 20:50.36 | Nyle | well |
| 20:50.42 | dokma | I installed it on the one that linux took in as sda |
| 20:50.48 | Nyle | if you have more than 1 disk, how will bios know which one to try to boot |
| 20:50.48 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:50.51 | Nyle | see? |
| 20:50.55 | dokma | I'll go dig into bios |
| 20:51.01 | Nyle | dokma, look at mobo manual too |
| 20:51.04 | Nyle | bios options will be in there |
| 20:51.05 | dokma | first time messing around with sata |
| 20:51.10 | dokma | thanks |
| 20:51.12 | Nyle | sure |
| 20:51.14 | ryty_ | dokma: the true test, unplug the one you don't want to boot, and see if it comes up |
| 20:51.27 | Nyle | ryty_, oh you makin him open the case :) |
| 20:51.30 | Nyle | nice |
| 20:51.32 | dokma | ryty_: not a bad idea either |
| 20:51.47 | dokma | the case is open all the time |
| 20:51.54 | Nyle | ouch |
| 20:51.59 | ryty_ | ick |
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| 20:52.04 | Nyle | don't do that |
| 20:52.08 | ryty_ | check for cat hair while you're in there |
| 20:52.17 | Nyle | hot air will fill the case and will not cycle properly |
| 20:52.25 | Nyle | it needs to have a flow,not just out int he open |
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| 20:52.41 | dokma | I have pretty good temp like this |
| 20:52.49 | dokma | it actually dropped as opposed to closed case |
| 20:52.52 | ArthurArchnix | Do I need to install cups-pdf to print to pdf... I can current print a ps file without having any cups or foo stuff installed. |
| 20:52.54 | Nyle | the cooler you run, the longer you run |
| 20:52.55 | dokma | gotta go reboot |
| 20:52.59 | ryty_ | dokma: a sign of poor circulation |
| 20:53.01 | defrysk | dokma, fascinating |
| 20:53.20 | defrysk | you must have a case of a bad case |
| 20:53.22 | dokma | thanks one more time! |
| 20:53.28 | dokma | defrysk: probably |
| 20:53.33 | Nyle | oh man i need to take an ice cold shower and then stand naked in front of the AC |
| 20:53.37 | dokma | never had temp issues so I didn't mess with it |
| 20:53.38 | Nyle | fuck its boiling outside |
| 20:53.39 | Nyle | ick. |
| 20:53.40 | defrysk | closed cases usually cool better |
| 20:53.52 | Nyle | defrysk, haha funny one |
| 20:53.56 | ryty_ | Nyle: Damn you. |
| 20:53.57 | Nyle | case of a bad case |
| 20:53.58 | defrysk | no not funny |
| 20:53.59 | bringatowel | Nyle- put the AC in the shower, problem solved! |
| 20:54.10 | benjamindees | okay my problem with linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf is that it tries loading the b44 module for my bcm43xx wireless nic and freezes on boot |
| 20:54.20 | Nyle | bringatowel, you're stupid. |
| 20:54.23 | Nyle | no you're stupid. |
| 20:54.27 | Nyle | but you're a towel |
| 20:54.30 | Nyle | YOURE A TOWEL |
| 20:54.32 | Nyle | :D |
| 20:54.42 | bringatowel | so stupid, IT JUST MIGHT WORK |
| 20:54.48 | Nyle | you know southpark right |
| 20:54.52 | Nyle | towelie episode? |
| 20:55.06 | Nyle | remember to always bring a towel |
| 20:55.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:55.10 | bringatowel | im saying to bring a towel, but i am not in fact towelie |
| 20:55.10 | defrysk | benjamindees, blacklist the module you do not want to use |
| 20:55.34 | ArthurArchnix | bringatowel: is a real frood. |
| 20:55.34 | Nyle | bringatowel, to my knowledge he is the only popular media icon that uses that phrase |
| 20:55.39 | Nyle | frood? |
| 20:55.47 | Nyle | !blacklist |
| 20:55.47 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 20:55.48 | bringatowel | southpark is great, h2g2 is slightly better :P |
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| 20:56.24 | bringatowel | Nyle, yes he is doing wonders for the increase of towel awareness |
| 20:56.34 | Nyle | hehe |
| 20:56.37 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
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| 20:56.47 | Nyle | shower time and AC time |
| 20:57.06 | bringatowel | Nyle, i see you are taking my suggestion |
| 20:57.12 | bringatowel | dont forget to bring a towel |
| 20:57.17 | Nyle | I won't :) |
| 20:57.30 | AlteKiet | Hi all. ntop prints an error message in syslog: packet truncated. How can I investigate where the packets get truncated and what causes it?? |
| 20:57.31 | bringatowel | ArthurArchnix, lets go kick back some gargleblasters |
| 20:57.33 | AlteKiet | ntop[13859]: **WARNING** packet truncated (11734->8232) |
| 20:57.40 | benjamindees | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 20:57.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 20:57.48 | Nyle | !msg the bot |
| 20:57.48 | dpkg | i heard msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 20:57.52 | Nyle | :D sorry |
| 20:57.58 | akio | im running a fresh install of lenny, i want to get my ipw2200 working but i don't see the firmware in the repos for testing, I also get this message: http://pastebin.com/d48b1a7ad |
| 20:58.01 | bringatowel | actually if its hot enough you could probably air-dry, but still its a good idea in case you need some protein to snack on |
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| 20:58.25 | Nyle | i made chana masala yesterday with boiled eggs and wheat pita |
| 20:58.36 | Nyle | you know, spicy gravey and chic peas, indian food |
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| 20:58.43 | ArthurArchnix | bringatowel: Can't. Gotta get the rest of this laptop working before tomorrow. It will go faster if I leave my brains in my head. |
| 20:58.50 | benjamindees | !tell Nyle about offtopic |
| 20:58.52 | bringatowel | masala is yum, i dont recall what chana means |
| 20:58.53 | Nyle | ArthurArchnix, whats the problem again |
| 20:58.56 | defrysk | akio, http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 20:58.57 | akio | dpkg is cool, he answered my question |
| 20:58.58 | dpkg | akio: i haven't a clue |
| 20:58.58 | Nyle | benjamindees, I apologize. |
| 20:58.58 | benjamindees | Nyle, is that how you message the bot? :p |
| 20:59.07 | Nyle | benjamindees, yes, that is correct. |
| 20:59.15 | Nyle | for public messages, otherwise for yourself use/msg |
| 20:59.43 | akio | thanks defrysk |
| 20:59.55 | defrysk | akio, thank google |
| 21:00.05 | defrysk | took me 2 secs |
| 21:00.20 | Nyle | no |
| 21:00.24 | Nyle | it took google 2 sec |
| 21:00.27 | Nyle | or less |
| 21:00.30 | akio | i have been up for way too long |
| 21:00.34 | ArthurArchnix | Nyle: Nothing specific. Just a general cloud of problems that I'm trying to tackle as they drift into my field of vision. A moment ago I was wondering if I could print to a file format other than .ps if I refuse to install cups-pdf. Then I hit fn+f3 and my browser didn't pop up, so at the moment that is also occupying my mind. |
| 21:00.35 | defrysk | no it took me 2 secs to thank google |
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| 21:01.02 | Nyle | ArthurArchnix, iirc you need a keys daemon |
| 21:01.08 | Nyle | I think... |
| 21:01.10 | akio | i have a dell latitude d600 with an eeprom that has to be flashed for me to gain full control over this laptop |
| 21:01.11 | Nyle | !keytouch |
| 21:01.11 | dpkg | somebody said keytouch was a program which allows you to easily configure and define the <multimedia keys> on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html, or in the debian package keytouch. |
| 21:01.22 | akio | i wasted way too much time and energy on that |
| 21:01.24 | Nyle | laptops and otherwise |
| 21:01.31 | Nyle | (if that is what you are talking about) |
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| 21:01.59 | bringatowel | ArthurArchnix, that sounds improbable, the best solution would probably to be commandeer some sort of machine (or vessel) with which to carry this out, or at least visit some parties |
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| 21:02.11 | amphi | Nyle: volume keys and the like should generate x events nowadays, IMHO |
| 21:02.17 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:02.19 | Nyle | really |
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| 21:02.27 | Nyle | ok then check with xev |
| 21:02.48 | Nyle | see if they give you a code |
| 21:02.49 | amphi | Nyle: well, mine do; so I use xbindkeys and all is good |
| 21:02.54 | Nyle | amphi, word |
| 21:03.00 | Nyle | thats cool |
| 21:03.30 | Nyle | amphi, I just got back to using debian fulltime |
| 21:03.34 | amphi | Nyle: xbindkeys is nice for preserving keybindings across WMs |
| 21:03.35 | Nyle | I was taking a break |
| 21:03.43 | Nyle | (oblivion, far cry, doom, etc.etc.) |
| 21:03.45 | amphi | Nyle: you got lost? ;) |
| 21:03.50 | Nyle | yeh, lost in fun! |
| 21:03.51 | amphi | a, yes |
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| 21:04.24 | Nyle | I always have a sid machine to use |
| 21:04.36 | Nyle | but my main desktop fluctuates between debian/xp pro x64 |
| 21:04.42 | Nyle | gaming ya know |
| 21:04.46 | ArthurArchnix | Nyle I saw that before. Will definitely look into it. I need to go slowly though, because I'm trying to make this system as lean as possible. So if there are conf files that I can edit by hand, after reading for two hours how to do it, I'd prefer that to having a daemon in the background that loads a keyboard setting on every boot. While I was typing that, ampi said something interesting, xev and xkindkey. Thanks. |
| 21:05.05 | amphi | ah, gamery... obviously, you're not a golfer |
| 21:05.06 | Nyle | anytime |
| 21:05.17 | Nyle | amphi, that was about the BEST line |
| 21:05.25 | amphi | heh |
| 21:05.40 | Nyle | amphi, that and "you can't come in here... hey... this.. is a private residence... man" |
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| 21:05.57 | Nyle | listening to the sounds of bowling |
| 21:05.57 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:06.15 | amphi | and the hideous picture of Nixon |
| 21:06.22 | Nyle | hahahaha |
| 21:06.54 | Nyle | I can't get over walter, I think that was john goodman's best role in any flick EVER |
| 21:07.01 | Nyle | other than brother where art thou |
| 21:07.06 | Nyle | there i go ot again blah |
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| 21:07.33 | amphi | the connection to debian is becoming tenuous... |
| 21:07.55 | Nyle | amphi, I envy your extensive vocabulary |
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| 21:08.06 | Nyle | you are very well spoken, if I may say so |
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| 21:08.13 | Nyle | looks up the word tenuous |
| 21:08.23 | Nyle | !dict tenuous |
| 21:08.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'tenuous' (1 of 5): adulterated, aerial, air-built, airy, aloof, atomic, attenuate, attenuated, boyish, broken, chimerical, cloud-built, corpuscular, cut, dainty, delicate, detached, diaphanous, dilute, diluted, disconnected, discontinuous, discrete, doubtful, dreamlike, dubious, embryonic, ethereal, evanescent, fanciful, fatuitous, fatuous, feeble, fine, fine-drawn, finespun, flimsy, fragile, frail, gapped, gaseous, gauzy, germinal, ... |
| 21:08.29 | jelly-home | but is he spoken for? |
| 21:09.04 | Nyle | you know this is cool, talking to him |
| 21:09.13 | Nyle | everytime I do, I end up learning a new word or two |
| 21:09.16 | Nyle | its cool. |
| 21:09.31 | bringatowel | dpkg, that was more like a thesaurus, not a dictionary |
| 21:09.31 | dpkg | i don't know, bringatowel |
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| 21:10.14 | Nyle | dpkg, shush. |
| 21:10.14 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 21:10.43 | Nyle | !seen Azar |
| 21:10.43 | dpkg | azar <n=Unicorn@h-66-166-120-10.lsanca54.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19d 5h 6m 3s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 21:11.00 | Nyle | amazing, that dude is always smiling |
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| 21:11.43 | Nyle | man I really should learn English |
| 21:12.00 | Nyle | I'm horrible at it |
| 21:12.06 | benjamindees | okay so my problem is really that the b43legacy driver locks up my computer when loaded, and the bcm43xx driver is apparently not included in 2.6.24-etchnhalf |
| 21:12.23 | Nyle | benjamindees, which chipset? |
| 21:12.28 | Nyle | owns bcm4306 |
| 21:12.40 | Nyle | andyou are on etchnhalf which I've never used |
| 21:12.41 | benjamindees | Nyle, BCM4303 |
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| 21:12.51 | Nyle | checks |
| 21:12.56 | benjamindees | it works fine on my custom 2.6.24.4 kernel |
| 21:13.05 | Nyle | is using bcm43xx patched for injection |
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| 21:13.32 | Nyle | and you want to use the etchnhalf kernel? |
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| 21:13.59 | benjamindees | well either that or I will upgrade to testing soon |
| 21:14.17 | Nyle | hmm, maybe |
| 21:14.23 | Nyle | maybe not |
| 21:14.42 | Nyle | have you checked the BTS for b43 driver bugs? |
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| 21:14.57 | Nyle | etchnhalf bugs not stable |
| 21:15.02 | benjamindees | no |
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| 21:15.09 | Nyle | that maybe have a clue |
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| 21:15.36 | Nyle | benjamindees, total system lock? no input nothing |
| 21:15.36 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:15.44 | benjamindees | yes |
| 21:15.54 | Nyle | hmm, fglrx does that to me |
| 21:15.57 | benjamindees | numlock/capslock unresponsive |
| 21:16.20 | ryty_ | what about alt+sysrq+u+b |
| 21:16.26 | ryty_ | (all at the same time) |
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| 21:16.41 | bringatowel | hey what is the best way to set up another admin user besides root? |
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| 21:16.52 | Nyle | ryty_, I think the + was indicitive enough? :) |
| 21:16.56 | Nyle | hehe |
| 21:17.11 | Nyle | bringatowel, add the guy to the sudoers |
| 21:17.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:17.21 | Nyle | and use sudo instead of giving anything else type rights |
| 21:17.24 | benjamindees | ryty_, I will reboot and try |
| 21:17.45 | ryty_ | benjamindees: that should make you reboot |
| 21:17.56 | Nyle | bringatowel, I hope you don't let anyone have root pw :) or add user accounts to the root group... |
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| 21:18.00 | Nyle | sudo ftw! |
| 21:18.55 | bringatowel | Nyle, that sounds good, just trying to figure out how, should add "username ALL=(ALL) ALL" to /etc/sudoers right? |
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| 21:19.03 | Nyle | all? |
| 21:19.09 | Nyle | hardly.. unless its you |
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| 21:19.28 | Nyle | not upto speed on it fully , check google for sudo docs/tutorials |
| 21:19.30 | bringatowel | uhh ok ill search to find the right command |
| 21:19.34 | Nyle | sorry my bad |
| 21:19.49 | Nyle | I worked on a sunday so I'm ... eeehhh |
| 21:20.03 | bringatowel | thats what http://www.debianadmin.com/providing-root-privileges-for-users-using-sudo.html says |
| 21:20.06 | Nyle | bringatowel, that sounds right though |
| 21:20.30 | bringatowel | oh lol, that is right, right? user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:20.40 | Nyle | you _may_ want to restrict sudo users is what I meant |
| 21:20.46 | Nyle | if you need to, don't use ALL |
| 21:21.02 | Nyle | yes that is correct. |
| 21:21.26 | bringatowel | ah, okay, maybe ill do that later, for now its fine to give that user full root priveleges |
| 21:21.46 | Nyle | O_o |
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| 21:22.09 | bringatowel | well i mean its my user :D |
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| 21:22.15 | Nyle | word |
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| 21:22.19 | benjamindees | oddly, though lspci reports a BCM4303, the b43legacy driver says "Broadcom 4301 WLAN found" |
| 21:22.32 | bringatowel | err, i am the one using it, it is on someone else's computer im trying to help with :) |
| 21:23.42 | Nyle | oh goddamit its sunday today |
| 21:23.46 | Nyle | fuck my mom's calling me |
| 21:23.49 | Nyle | later |
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| 21:24.48 | bringatowel | lates |
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| 21:26.20 | benjamindees | ubuntu has a bug report on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/192720 |
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| 21:27.41 | markybob | on mom's calling? neat |
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| 21:28.54 | feitingen | if i got a lot of machines, is it a good idea to have them all share a common /var/cache/apt to reduce bandwith strain? |
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| 21:29.26 | markybob | feitingen, you should use apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 21:29.35 | ArthurArchnix | I'm still prowling the internet, and Debian forums, looking for a pdf print solution that doesn't involve cups |
| 21:30.33 | bocaneri | canm |
| 21:30.35 | bocaneri | (grr) |
| 21:30.48 | bocaneri | Can't just print to a ps file and then use whatever you want for a print manager? |
| 21:30.55 | feitingen | markybob: will any of those hog my unfortunately limited /var or can i make it rest on the less limited /usr? |
| 21:31.24 | markybob | feitingen, you could always symlink whatever you want from one partition to another |
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| 21:32.13 | ArthurArchnix | bocaneri: Oh yeah... any old app prints to a ps file. And I can convert that using simple tools. That's one options I'm considering. I call that option 3, failing, but it's an option. Just installing cups-pdf and not being such a weeny is option 2. I'm not sure if my preferred option, option 1 even exists. But I'm looking into it. |
| 21:32.29 | feitingen | true, but if i keep doing that, i will end up with a spaghetti system where it is impossible to tell what is where |
| 21:33.24 | benjamindees | the ubuntu bug referenced contains a patch that reportedly fixes the issue |
| 21:33.46 | benjamindees | so who do I report this to for the linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf package? |
| 21:34.18 | streuner | well, package isn't official... |
| 21:34.51 | benjamindees | it's proposed-updates for the next point release |
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| 21:35.22 | Nyle | whew, that wasn't as bad as I expected |
| 21:35.43 | themill | ArthurArchnix: the kde print system can print to pdf without using cups |
| 21:35.57 | streuner | Isn't etchnhalf made by fjp? |
| 21:35.58 | Nyle | indeed |
| 21:36.20 | streuner | just talk to him then :-) |
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| 21:38.05 | benjamindees | fjp@debian.org ? |
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| 21:38.26 | ianbentley | I just did a wpa_cli reconfigure and it returned "Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: Success" |
| 21:38.39 | streuner | he is part of d-i team, just go to #debian-boot (OFTC) |
| 21:39.00 | ianbentley | is that normal? |
| 21:39.27 | ArthurArchnix | themill: I'll look at that, and thanks for suggesting it. I'm on XFCE though, so... I'm skeptical it will be a cleaner (lighter/simpler/smaller) solution than cups-pdf |
| 21:41.04 | themill | ArthurArchnix: you should be able to brew up some lpr filter thing that uses ps2pdf as a filter. But I'd rather stick knives in power sockets than go anywhere near that sort of stuff. cups was developed to replace all that crap. |
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| 21:42.51 | peleg | dudeman: I think that the problem is not the black or the white, but the move between those two over and over again. It kills me (or maybe I'm just not used to it) to move between to black terminal and the white evolution again and again :-) - and there is no good terminal-mail client that supports Hebrew |
| 21:44.00 | Akuw | i need a news feed in spanish, free software |
| 21:44.07 | ArthurArchnix | themill: Yeah... I've got nothing against cups... I just installed a lean system, and as I need things I'm putting them on, and just trying to make informed decisions about what goes on and why... and trying not to piss people off when I don't immediately jump on the obvious solution. |
| 21:44.08 | Vutral_ | how can i debootstrap on another distribution ? |
| 21:44.12 | Vutral_ | i forgot how |
| 21:44.23 | ianbentley | I just did a wpa_cli reconfigure and it returned "Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: Success" Is this normal? |
| 21:44.23 | ArthurArchnix | :) |
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| 21:44.48 | themill | ArthurArchnix: sounds like you've got some fun in front of you |
| 21:45.00 | Nipoc | Hi guys, can anyone think of a reason why a pc would only turn on 1 out of 100 tries, even though power is getting to the mobo and i've taked everypart out except cpu and removing none of them gives consistent results?? |
| 21:45.07 | Nipoc | taken out* |
| 21:45.27 | ianbentley | try reseathing the ram Nipoc |
| 21:45.33 | ianbentley | reseating* |
| 21:45.36 | markybob | Nipoc, murphy |
| 21:45.54 | ArthurArchnix | Well, those kids on the Jackass movie sure make stupidity look like fun. But in reality, it's much less than it appears. |
| 21:46.04 | Nipoc | tried that, took out the ram at it booted once, but then would boot again with ram out or in either slot |
| 21:46.45 | ianbentley | I have had similar problems with bad connections on the ram |
| 21:47.01 | ianbentley | that's all I can suggest thoguh |
| 21:47.03 | ianbentley | though* |
| 21:47.18 | ArthurArchnix | ianbentley: did you try reloading it? wpa_action network-device reload |
| 21:47.27 | Nipoc | ok, i'll try the ram a few more times, but it has booted up with the ram in and out |
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| 21:47.34 | Nipoc | just not regularly |
| 21:47.39 | Civan | Hi. I'm wokring to install ppp_2.4.4rel-8_i386.deb on Debian 4.0 r3 "Etch". But ppp module depents libcap0.8> I have Libcap1 but I can't install it on my system. I need vpn connection to connect internet. How can I find the correct ppp*.deb file. Thanks |
| 21:47.49 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: same problem |
| 21:48.04 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: after reload that is |
| 21:48.13 | ianbentley | what does that error even mean? |
| 21:48.35 | ArthurArchnix | ianbentley: What are you using to manage your wireless network? |
| 21:48.55 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: wpa_supplicant, is that what you mean? |
| 21:49.34 | ArthurArchnix | yeah... what are you pointing to in wpa_supplicant.conf? For the ctrl_interface |
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| 21:50.19 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: /var/run/wpa_supplicant |
| 21:50.52 | ArthurArchnix | So it says "ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant" then the group stuff? |
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| 21:51.05 | ianbentley | no =DIR, but yes |
| 21:51.11 | themill | Civan: it will libpcap0..8_0.9.5-1_i386.deb. But there are easier ways, /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 21:51.30 | themill | Civan: gah libpcap0.8_0.9.5-1_i386.deb |
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| 21:51.42 | ArthurArchnix | Are you on Lenny? |
| 21:51.47 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: Yeah |
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| 21:52.31 | ArthurArchnix | Have you had roaming working before, or are you just trying to set it up now? |
| 21:52.41 | Civan | themill: bu I have allready installed libcap verison 1 it is a newer version than 0.8 Right? When I want to install it. Synaptics asks me to remove over 20 more packages. |
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| 21:53.08 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: It worked with the installer, but I need to get roaming working, so I installed WPA_supplicant. |
| 21:53.11 | Civan | When I want to remove libcap version 1 it asks me to remove over 20 packages. |
| 21:53.26 | ArthurArchnix | Are you following any instructions? Or just following man pages? |
| 21:53.32 | jelly-home | Civan: package name "libcap1" doesn't mean it's version 1.something |
| 21:53.40 | themill | Civan: no, libcap is a different package to libpcap. Also, the package is called libpcap0.8 not libpcap i.e the 0.8 is the package name not the version number |
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| 21:53.51 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: I followed these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
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| 21:54.26 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: but not the roaming mode stuff yet (couldn't get this to work yet). |
| 21:55.11 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... try these instructions. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27573 Let me know if they work or not. I'm interested in learning more about this wpa_supplicant roaming stuff, so I'd like to help you troubleshoot this. |
| 21:55.25 | ianbentley | Alright |
| 21:55.34 | ianbentley | start from scratch should I? |
| 21:55.42 | ArthurArchnix | Whatever you think. |
| 21:55.58 | ianbentley | right |
| 21:56.02 | Civan | themill: Thanks I will install it. Thanks. |
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| 21:58.48 | kantor | hi, please excuse this advertising but I think it is a useful one: a volunteer developers channel is registered on freenode: ##vd, if you are searching for developers, doc translators . . . or if developers are searching for projects to join, probably it is a good place there ;-) |
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| 22:02.42 | AlteKiet | Hi all. ntop prints an error message in syslog: packet truncated. How can I investigate where the packets get truncated and what causes it?? |
| 22:02.45 | AlteKiet | ntop[13859]: **WARNING** packet truncated (11734->8232) |
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| 22:09.19 | ofer | how do I see the last logins? |
| 22:09.25 | cusco_ | last |
| 22:09.26 | |Ryan52 | ofer: last |
| 22:09.30 | ofer | oh, thanks. |
| 22:09.51 | |Ryan52 | I have a router that transparantly DNATs all http requests through a squid proxy. Is there a way to make it remove that rule if the proxy goes down? |
| 22:11.02 | jmhealey | ofer last |
| 22:11.08 | cusco_ | probaly you would ned a screept to check every minute if squit is running |
| 22:11.12 | jmhealey | ofer: last |
| 22:11.20 | ofer | thanks everybody, I got it |
| 22:11.32 | cusco_ | and in a if statement use iptables to whatever |
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| 22:12.25 | |Ryan52 | cusco_: so just if ping fails remove the rule? there's no fancy program that can do that? (I realize that its just a 3 line long script, but Im still scared to touch something that important) |
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| 22:14.27 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: I think I found my problem |
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| 22:14.47 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: I had a typo in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:16.16 | ArthurArchnix | Oh yeah, get it working then? |
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| 22:17.38 | jahshua | hello, is amd 64 well supported on debian? |
| 22:17.46 | |Ryan52 | jahshua: yup |
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| 22:18.02 | peleg | How do I change the default text editor from nano to vim? |
| 22:18.03 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: ah no. I thought I might have |
| 22:18.12 | ianbentley | I definitelly fixed something though |
| 22:18.34 | |Ryan52 | peleg: "EDITOR=vim" in your .bashrc |
| 22:18.41 | peleg | |Ryan52: thanks! |
| 22:18.42 | jahshua | |Ryan52: cool because m y mom got a new laptop and i was trying to put ubuntu on it for her but the piece of crap wont connect to the wireless network here. |
| 22:19.03 | ianbentley | hmmm |
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| 22:19.15 | |Ryan52 | jahshua: i386 works on amd64 systems... |
| 22:19.18 | jahshua | i am familiar with using madwifi, hopefully i will be able to use it on debian with amd 64? |
| 22:19.21 | ArthurArchnix | Well, that sounds like progress. I usually quit what I'm doing when I start to see progress, because it usually indicates failure is right around the corner. |
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| 22:19.47 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: I'm not sure what isn't working. But when I run wpa_cli it cannot connect to wpa_supplicant. |
| 22:19.49 | |Ryan52 | jahshua: is there a reason you are using amd64? |
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| 22:20.02 | jahshua | |Ryan52: well ,im not. my mom bought the machine. |
| 22:20.09 | ryty_ | I've got this really annoying problem. My X server only comes up after rebooting (not on first boot) |
| 22:20.11 | jahshua | |Ryan52: my laptop is rather humble in comparison. :) |
| 22:20.20 | ryty_ | I checked the loaded modules and they match |
| 22:20.20 | |Ryan52 | jahshua: i386 works on amd64 systems |
| 22:20.31 | ryty_ | mtrr doesn't show my video memory in it, when it's working or not |
| 22:20.39 | ArthurArchnix | pastebin your wpa_supplicant.conf file, and your interfaces file. Paste the output of the command too, so that I can see the directory you cat'd. |
| 22:20.44 | jahshua | |Ryan52: so i should be able to use madwifi etc np? |
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| 22:20.54 | ryty_ | and when it's not working the aperture is sensed as 128 MB, but it says it's over 4 GB |
| 22:21.11 | ianbentley | Okay |
| 22:21.24 | ryty_ | when it is working, the aperture is sensed as 128 MB and used as such |
| 22:22.02 | |Ryan52 | !tell jahshua about madwifi-install |
| 22:23.06 | jahshua | yap i am familiar with the installation if it, thanks |Ryan52. im just wondering if it should work okay on the amd 64.. |
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| 22:24.08 | |Ryan52 | jahshua: IDK. some things don't. I recommend using i386. (for other reasons) |
| 22:24.19 | jahshua | np |
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| 22:33.16 | ArthurArchnix | ping |
| 22:33.24 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: pong |
| 22:33.30 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: give me a minute |
| 22:33.33 | ArthurArchnix | just checkin |
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| 22:33.46 | ianbentley | I'm having trouble getting even my eth0 working so I can pastebin. |
| 22:33.55 | jahshua | god |
| 22:34.01 | jahshua | i hate ubuntu. ;( |
| 22:34.34 | Nyle | everyone who isn't an idiot does. |
| 22:34.41 | Nyle | at least in my book. |
| 22:34.45 | jahshua | yah |
| 22:34.47 | jahshua | ;/ |
| 22:35.24 | akio | i can't find why so many people choose it over debian.... |
| 22:35.34 | Nyle | well |
| 22:35.37 | Nyle | look at the odds |
| 22:35.40 | Nyle | smart people vs idiots |
| 22:35.43 | akio | even as a beginner i became quickly disgusted |
| 22:35.47 | trifler | :) |
| 22:35.48 | Nyle | how many on each side? :) |
| 22:35.51 | Tortilla_Sam | !soundfont |
| 22:35.57 | akio | especially the guys in the irc channel |
| 22:36.03 | akio | total zealots |
| 22:36.24 | akio | if you type sudo su root to help someone they fly off the handle |
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| 22:37.02 | format_c | n8 |
| 22:37.09 | Tortilla_Sam | it's called gyarados |
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| 22:37.58 | Shadowcat | Tortilla_Sam == spammer |
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| 22:42.08 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: sorry my friend. Just getting a USB stick set so I can bring it to this machine. |
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| 22:42.50 | flixil | Hello, konqueror and iceweasel when i acces a .xhtml web they try to download it as if it was a binary... How can i change the behaviour and show it? Thanks |
| 22:43.52 | |Ryan52 | flixil: IIRC, that's the website's configurations' fault. report it to the website's sysadmin. |
| 22:44.20 | flixil | Well.. It worked last week... Are you sure it's a website's fault? |
| 22:44.38 | |Ryan52 | flixil: they may have changed their configs. 1 minute...let me test. |
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| 22:45.28 | flixil | The thing is that after downloading the web page and opening with conqueror i see ...72 73 69 6F 6E 3D 22 31 | <?xml version="1... |
| 22:45.33 | flixil | As an hex file |
| 22:45.57 | ArthurArchnix | In a bash script I've got this name like $name, and I want to create name2 based on that. Like $name_02. How would I do that... is it: name2='$name'_01 ? |
| 22:45.58 | |Ryan52 | flixil: go here: http://ryan52.info/test.xhtml and does it work? |
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| 22:46.19 | flixil | yes it does |
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| 22:46.41 | jelly-home | flixil: that likely means the remote http server claims the .xhtml file is mime type "application/octet-stream" |
| 22:46.46 | flixil | |Ryan52: does this work for you? http://www.asstr.org/~BluesFavorites/favorites.xhtml |
| 22:46.47 | |Ryan52 | flixil: because I have my server setup correctly. So its not you, its them. |
| 22:47.02 | |Ryan52 | flixil: nope |
| 22:48.16 | |Ryan52 | flixil: "Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml". |
| 22:48.50 | flixil | Ok then... Anyway After downloading the file, file program says it is an xml file and i can't open it, is that normal? |
| 22:48.55 | |Ryan52 | whereas my server says "Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8" |
| 22:49.07 | |Ryan52 | flixil: open it with? |
| 22:49.12 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: http://paste.debian.net/5833/ |
| 22:49.15 | ianbentley | sorry that took so long |
| 22:49.20 | ianbentley | er |
| 22:49.25 | jelly-home | HEAD http://www.asstr.org/~BluesFavorites/favorites.xhtml -> Content-Type: application/octet-stream |
| 22:49.25 | ianbentley | I didn't change something |
| 22:49.40 | flixil | Sorry I really can :) if i try from the folder It opens... If i try from the download label it crashes :) |
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| 22:49.43 | |Ryan52 | flixil: I can open it fine with firefox |
| 22:49.57 | Sazpaimon | so al my 32 bit apps are segfaulting on debian x64 |
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| 22:50.04 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: iface the_fuzeboxxx is my_house. it's fixed in my copy. |
| 22:50.09 | flixil | Thanks for the information |Ryan52, but you cannot open it online, can you? |
| 22:50.15 | Sazpaimon | like, they dont even start, they just segfault on startup immediately |
| 22:50.21 | Sazpaimon | they work in my 32 bit chroot though |
| 22:50.21 | |Ryan52 | flixil: nope, they didn't set up their server right. |
| 22:50.28 | Sazpaimon | any ideas? |
| 22:50.35 | flixil | Thanks |
| 22:50.42 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: "that's normal"? |
| 22:50.42 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: i.e. http://paste.debian.net/5835/ |
| 22:50.57 | |Ryan52 | flixil: that that happens a lot with gziped mail list archives too...its anoying! |
| 22:51.00 | ArthurArchnix | ok |
| 22:51.40 | flixil | Why can't the firefox guess the mimetype from the file extension of the content like file program does? |
| 22:51.46 | flixil | Is this a tech problem? |
| 22:51.50 | |Ryan52 | flixil: the server tells it. |
| 22:51.59 | jelly-home | Sazpaimon: no idea actually, I don't run amd64 because it can be a PITA like that. |
| 22:52.34 | jelly-home | flixil: the browser shouldn't guess the type, it's a security risk |
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| 22:53.14 | jelly-home | flixil: this is one of the things that make IE less secure than other browsers, it tries to guess |
| 22:53.15 | ArthurArchnix | ianbently, so just to rule out typos, if you do cat /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplcant.conf it shows you all your info right? |
| 22:53.24 | flixil | Ok thanks a lot |
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| 22:53.31 | ArthurArchnix | Well, I had at typo in there, but you get the point. |
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| 22:54.39 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: yes |
| 22:55.31 | ArthurArchnix | What was the error again when you try and run wpa_action reload |
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| 22:56.54 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: uh, this isn't right, but it says: "Usage: /sbin/wpa_action IFACE ACTION" |
| 22:57.41 | ArthurArchnix | Yeah... that's right. It means you're not logged in as root, so you need to specify path, and the network device you want to control |
| 22:57.52 | ArthurArchnix | Well, you always need the network device |
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| 22:58.10 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: I'm as root |
| 22:58.44 | ArthurArchnix | Then that's not right. |
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| 22:59.03 | ArthurArchnix | :) try wpa_action wlan0 reload |
| 22:59.21 | ArthurArchnix | also, you've specified the wext driver, but what is your wireless card? |
| 22:59.34 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: success. just gives me a new prompt |
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| 22:59.43 | ma3x | why is iceweasel such a piece of shit!? |
| 22:59.50 | ArthurArchnix | ok, then try wpa_cli |
| 22:59.52 | ArthurArchnix | then status |
| 23:00.01 | ma3x | when i enter a site name it doesn't even look it up, nor it displays anything in the status |
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| 23:00.29 | ianbentley | Sits on "Could not connect to wpa_supplicant - re-trying" |
| 23:00.35 | ma3x | i always have to restart the damn piece of shit |
| 23:00.51 | ianbentley | wext should be right |
| 23:01.03 | ianbentley | as my driver. |
| 23:01.30 | ArthurArchnix | type list |
| 23:01.46 | ianbentley | sorry? |
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| 23:04.03 | Saz|Laptop_ | so ever since i created my 32 bit chroot, my 32 bit apps i want to run outside of the chroot will segfault |
| 23:04.10 | Saz|Laptop_ | ive got core dumps of some of them |
| 23:04.18 | Saz|Laptop_ | let me pastebin them |
| 23:04.26 | ArthurArchnix | If you're in the wpa_cli then you can give it the command list, which works just like iwlist wlan0 scanning, well, not quite as much info, but shows you avaiable networks at least. |
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| 23:05.23 | Saz|Laptop_ | http://www.pastebin.org/42465 |
| 23:05.27 | Saz|Laptop_ | here is the core dump of one app |
| 23:06.01 | Saz|Laptop_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Mar 5 09:15 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 -> /emul/ia32-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 23:07.46 | Saz|Laptop_ | I also added "/var/sid-386-chroot/lib" to my /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 23:08.03 | Saz|Laptop_ | this is probably the cause, but wouldnt it screw up my apps within the chroot if i do remove it |
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| 23:09.01 | Sazpaimon | hmmm, nope i guess not |
| 23:09.04 | Sazpaimon | go figure |
| 23:09.13 | ianbentley | ArthurArchnix: I don't actually get to a prompt in wpa_cli, it sits before giving me one |
| 23:09.20 | ianbentley | complaining about wpa_supplicant |
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| 23:11.04 | ArthurArchnix | I don't understand. It sits? So you type wpa_cli and it just spits out that error message you showed above? |
| 23:11.20 | ianbentley | and then it just sits |
| 23:11.24 | ianbentley | nothing changes |
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| 23:11.39 | Bugs_BunnyBr | hello there..I download debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso from the debian.org and try to install into the qemu..but the installer dont find the controller of the HD |
| 23:11.45 | Bugs_BunnyBr | someone can help? |
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| 23:12.23 | benjamindees | dpkg, athcool is if your Athlon runs hot, 'apt-get install athcool', read the warnings, test with 'athcool start' as root in single-user mode, and enable on boot. |
| 23:12.23 | dpkg | okay, benjamindees |
| 23:12.47 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, I'm sure someone can help, however that someone may not be around at this time. |
| 23:13.10 | Bugs_BunnyBr | Nyle,no problem |
| 23:13.16 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, just lurk around |
| 23:13.24 | cromag | how do i see if im running eth sid og lenny ? |
| 23:13.33 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, I've never used qemu, only virtualbox and vmware |
| 23:13.41 | Nyle | !tell cromag -about version |
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| 23:13.47 | cromag | thanks |
| 23:13.55 | Bugs_BunnyBr | Nyle, ok ..I will search in google :D |
| 23:14.02 | Bugs_BunnyBr | thanks |
| 23:14.05 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, why use qemu? |
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| 23:14.19 | ianbentley | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.20 | Bugs_BunnyBr | cause it's is the only I try |
| 23:14.35 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, what? |
| 23:14.41 | Nyle | que? |
| 23:14.53 | Bugs_BunnyBr | tu fala portugues!! |
| 23:14.57 | Nyle | !br |
| 23:14.57 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:15.31 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, negative :( |
| 23:15.45 | Bugs_BunnyBr | ok |
| 23:15.47 | flixil | voce fala? |
| 23:15.51 | Bugs_BunnyBr | thanks a lot |
| 23:15.55 | ArthurArchnix | Ok.. I'm just reading some bug reports about wpa_supplicant in roaming... while I do that take a look at /var/log/wpa_* files. See if there's any more info in there. |
| 23:15.58 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, also use irc.oftc.net #debian-br |
| 23:16.02 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I am from Brasil |
| 23:16.03 | ArthurArchnix | ianbentley: ^^ |
| 23:16.17 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, i like the women in your country |
| 23:16.29 | Nyle | nice big butts! i like big butts and i cannot lie... |
| 23:16.30 | Bugs_BunnyBr | every body likes |
| 23:16.32 | Nyle | dances |
| 23:16.32 | Bugs_BunnyBr | :D |
| 23:16.42 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 23:16.46 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, checked qemu channel? |
| 23:16.52 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, #qemu maybe |
| 23:17.01 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I will try |
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| 23:17.19 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, try again here later, someone might know |
| 23:17.39 | Bugs_BunnyBr | Nyle, ok |
| 23:17.51 | Sling | Bugs_BunnyBr : what HD is it |
| 23:18.18 | Sling | or controller |
| 23:18.20 | Nyle | Sling, you mean pata or sata? |
| 23:18.23 | gnat_x | i'm trying to set up my etch machine to serve an install image to my new machine. i'm getting stuck with getting dhcpd to work -- it fails on start. |
| 23:18.24 | Nyle | yeh controller |
| 23:18.39 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, scsi or sata or pata? |
| 23:18.43 | Bugs_BunnyBr | its sata |
| 23:18.48 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I gues |
| 23:18.49 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I guess |
| 23:18.52 | Nyle | which controller is it? |
| 23:18.57 | Nyle | actual controller chipset |
| 23:19.02 | Bugs_BunnyBr | the lspci can tell me?? |
| 23:19.06 | Sling | is it on the motherboard? |
| 23:19.25 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, lspci no |
| 23:19.39 | Bugs_BunnyBr | how I can know ? |
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| 23:20.05 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I am in the kubuntu 8..maybe the lsmod ?? |
| 23:20.20 | Sling | its working in kubuntu? |
| 23:20.24 | Bugs_BunnyBr | yes |
| 23:20.25 | Sling | but not in debian? |
| 23:20.28 | Bugs_BunnyBr | yes |
| 23:20.29 | Sling | thats weird |
| 23:20.39 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, its your southbridge chipset |
| 23:20.42 | Bugs_BunnyBr | but ..the kubuntu is not in the qemu |
| 23:20.56 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, which motherboard is it? |
| 23:21.05 | Nyle | amd or intel? |
| 23:21.06 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I PC isnot mine |
| 23:21.09 | Bugs_BunnyBr | Intel |
| 23:21.16 | Sling | we cant help you if you cant give details |
| 23:21.24 | Bugs_BunnyBr | ok |
| 23:21.29 | Nyle | Sling, maybe he dont' nkow how to give details |
| 23:21.34 | Nyle | we should helph im to give details |
| 23:21.35 | Nyle | no? |
| 23:21.38 | Bugs_BunnyBr | can I post the lspci here? |
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| 23:21.47 | Sling | no |
| 23:21.48 | Nyle | Bugs_BunnyBr, paste.debian.net |
| 23:21.52 | Nyle | though it won't help |
| 23:21.57 | Nyle | we dont' need lspci |
| 23:22.01 | Bugs_BunnyBr | ok |
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| 23:22.03 | Sling | look, is the controller integrated on the motherboard |
| 23:22.04 | ArthurArchnix | ianbentley: And you should readdress your question to the channel, because it is beyond me what's wrong. I'm just kinda interested in your problem and learning about how to fix it. |
| 23:22.10 | Sling | or is it an extension card |
| 23:22.18 | benjamindees | he's using qemu? |
| 23:22.34 | Bugs_BunnyBr | yes |
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| 23:22.59 | benjamindees | so it's the controller emulated by qemu |
| 23:23.11 | gnat_x | i have pasted the dhcpd start error that i am getting as well as some configs here: http://pastebin.com/m57907771 |
| 23:23.23 | Nyle | benjamindees, what is qemu again |
| 23:23.34 | Nyle | disk tool... or soemthing |
| 23:23.37 | Bugs_BunnyBr | hey guys..don't worry...I will burn the cd and so try to install |
| 23:23.46 | Nyle | !qemu |
| 23:23.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 23:23.48 | gnat_x | i have been googling and playing with configs for hours, and just can't get the dhcpd to start properly. |
| 23:23.50 | Bugs_BunnyBr | without use the qemu |
| 23:23.53 | Nyle | oh no shit |
| 23:24.08 | Nyle | kqemu, is like for kde? |
| 23:24.16 | Sling | good guess :) |
| 23:24.17 | Bugs_BunnyBr | no |
| 23:24.17 | Nyle | how fast is it? |
| 23:24.24 | Bugs_BunnyBr | it is a kernel for qemu |
| 23:24.24 | benjamindees | that's a kernel accelerator for qemu |
| 23:24.29 | Nyle | is it better than virtualbox or colinux or vmware? |
| 23:24.31 | amphi | Nyle: haha |
| 23:24.37 | Nyle | faster? |
| 23:24.41 | Bugs_BunnyBr | yes |
| 23:24.51 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:24.57 | Nyle | qemu can run windows inside of it |
| 23:24.57 | Bugs_BunnyBr | I never run the virtual box |
| 23:24.59 | Nyle | ? |
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| 23:25.11 | benjamindees | yes it can |
| 23:25.12 | Nyle | like xp |
| 23:25.14 | Nyle | no shit! |
| 23:25.20 | Nyle | dude wicked |
| 23:25.27 | Nyle | how come no one tells me these things :( |
| 23:25.32 | benjamindees | maybe not XP, but 98 at least ;) |
| 23:25.55 | Sling | its not the best virtualisation platform for windows though |
| 23:25.55 | markybob | Nyle, you need to read more :P yes it runs xp and vista |
| 23:26.00 | benjamindees | actually I take it back; it can run xp |
| 23:26.05 | Nyle | markybob, I work a lot |
| 23:26.05 | amphi | Nyle: qemu doesn't emulate 3d-gamr capable video hw... |
| 23:26.15 | Nyle | amphi, ohhhhhh AWEEEEE |
| 23:26.20 | Nyle | amphi, how did you know what I was thinking |
| 23:26.29 | Nyle | you freaking voodoo psychopath |
| 23:26.36 | Nyle | voodoo master mind reader |
| 23:26.37 | amphi | Nyle: maybe vbox can virtualise the video hw, dunno |
| 23:26.45 | Nyle | wait its not a psychopath |
| 23:26.50 | Nyle | its psycho something that reads minds |
| 23:26.54 | Nyle | who is that |
| 23:26.56 | cromag | !ipw2200 |
| 23:26.56 | dpkg | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 23:27.08 | Nyle | psychic |
| 23:27.10 | Nyle | ahh |
| 23:27.23 | Nyle | amphi, how did you know i was thinking about 3d |
| 23:27.24 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:28.03 | benjamindees | that's the only reason to use windows :p |
| 23:28.10 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 23:28.13 | Nyle | oh right |
| 23:28.14 | Nyle | right on. |
| 23:28.46 | Nyle | is gonna go to libararty to pick up a book in English language |
| 23:28.52 | Nyle | grammar and spelling and other stuff |
| 23:29.24 | Nyle | oh its sunday the lib is closed 1 hours ago |
| 23:29.37 | troubled | Nyle: pick up a book on empaths while youre there too :p |
| 23:29.45 | Nyle | googles it |
| 23:29.46 | troubled | sup |
| 23:30.03 | Nyle | superman |
| 23:30.04 | troubled | !dict empathic |
| 23:30.05 | dpkg | Dictionary 'empathic' showing empathy or ready comprehension of others' states; "a sensitive and empathetic school counselor" |
| 23:30.13 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:30.26 | Nyle | troubled, hi dude long time no see |
| 23:30.38 | troubled | aye, same |
| 23:30.46 | Nyle | yeh same here too |
| 23:30.50 | Nyle | ssdd you know |
| 23:30.59 | troubled | ssdd? |
| 23:31.02 | Nyle | !ssdd |
| 23:31.03 | dpkg | it has been said that ssdd is Same Shit Different Day |
| 23:31.04 | troubled | nm :) |
| 23:31.58 | poseidon | I'm running debian lenny, however, I can only find the package I want on etch. Would it be to bad if I installed it? |
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| 23:32.08 | Nyle | poseidon, check sid |
| 23:32.14 | poseidon | Nyle, I did |
| 23:32.16 | Nyle | poseidon, install it from sid |
| 23:32.27 | Nyle | the package is not even in sid, just in etch |
| 23:32.28 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:32.30 | Nyle | which package? |
| 23:32.49 | poseidon | libogre5 |
| 23:32.58 | troubled | heh ogre |
| 23:33.05 | Nyle | !info libogre5 sid |
| 23:33.05 | troubled | let me guess, 3d? |
| 23:33.11 | Nyle | troubled, ogre 3d engine |
| 23:33.15 | poseidon | I'm sick of openGL+SDL |
| 23:33.16 | Nyle | for game making |
| 23:33.18 | troubled | thats what i figured |
| 23:33.22 | poseidon | Nyle, yes |
| 23:33.28 | troubled | blender guys yap about it alot |
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| 23:33.38 | troubled | that and crystal space or somethin |
| 23:33.48 | Nyle | I like Gamebryo |
| 23:33.50 | troubled | poseidon: why not just grab latest source? |
| 23:34.00 | Nyle | gamebryo is THE MOST AWESOME 3d game engine for RPG ever written |
| 23:34.17 | troubled | Nyle: blenders game engine is good enough for me :) but ive heard rumours about wanting to be able to export blender GE stuff to ogre |
| 23:34.19 | poseidon | troubled, having problems with it. |
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| 23:34.30 | Nyle | (Bethesda Sofworks - The Elder Scrolls: morrowind/oblivion) |
| 23:34.49 | Nyle | gamebryo imo cannot be matched |
| 23:34.56 | troubled | poseidon: http://www.ogre3d.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=411&Itemid=131 |
| 23:34.56 | poseidon | I have ogre installed, but apparently libogre5 is needed for the sdk |
| 23:35.04 | Nyle | thats poseidon |
| 23:35.17 | Nyle | you could try snapshots? |
| 23:35.20 | Nyle | !sdn |
| 23:35.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 23:35.28 | troubled | poseidon: http://www.ogre3d.org/wiki/index.php/Ogre_Tutorials has some good stuff too prolly |
| 23:35.41 | Nyle | I don't know how the etch package will work on testing now |
| 23:35.46 | Nyle | maybe huge version differences |
| 23:35.51 | Nyle | maybe little |
| 23:35.53 | Nyle | dunno |
| 23:36.19 | Nyle | you can always build from upstream... |
| 23:37.04 | poseidon | The package should contain source files. I want the source files so I can test and see if ogre installed fine (I want to test if the examples compile ok). |
| 23:37.26 | poseidon | before I go crazy trying to debug my code because I get some wacky error |
| 23:38.11 | troubled | poseidon: do you need libogre5 or libogre5-dev? |
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| 23:38.53 | poseidon | libogre5-dev probably (and it probably has libogre5 as a dep). |
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